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It is time for change. Every other country allows this type of activity legally. Why can't the best country in the world allow it. It is a complete of tax payer dollars to go after providers and men for this activity. Instead wasting money, it should be taxed as a revenue stream for states and our government. Not only that, it will reduce trafficking. I don't understand why our society is so negative towards this activity. We need more common sense in our government.
With all that being said, I will mostly not visit any AMP in the near future. Just too much attention which is unfortunate. Too all my friends, stay safe and get a good lawyer.Wishful thinking on our part that it is time for a change. Some other countries allow it to varying degrees, not all. Why is because there is an unlikely alliance between the right, (moral Puritans) and left (any and all sexual activity between 2 consenting adults involving money is absolute sexual slavery, human trafficking, rape, etc.) Listen to all the reactions to the Kraft incident, (horrible, disgusting, etc.) on the media. Even though it should be time for a change, we're not there yet, and won't be any time soon.
Just heard this on Sport Hub and found the Kraft affidavits online. So, Kraft went in on the 19th got a handy. THEN he got pulled over in a Bentley on his way out of the massage parlor and got positively ID'd via his drivers license. THEN he went back for 2nd handy / possible BJ the next god damn day. Wow, noob move. If you get pulled over leaving a parlor for even a traffic stop, that should raise a red flag.So he was pulled over as a passenger for legit reason for the traffic stop. The officer ask for his I'd as a passenger and they went on there way. And next day he goes back?! Crazy.
It is time for change. Every other country allows this type of activity legally. Why can't the best country in the world allow it. It is a complete of tax payer dollars to go after providers and men for this activity. Instead wasting money, it should be taxed as a revenue stream for states and our government. Not only that, it will reduce trafficking. I don't understand why our society is so negative towards this activity. We need more common sense in our government.
With all that being said, I will mostly not visit any AMP in the near future. Just too much attention which is unfortunate. Too all my friends, stay safe and get a good lawyer.Couldn't agree more. I started a post on this very topic a few weeks ago on the SW thread. Every other developed country except America has legalized prostitution. Why? Because it makes sense on every level. It empowers, not demeans women, it reduces, not increases the market for trafficking and underage sex, it reduces, not increases drug addiction among providers, it is safer for men and women in crime and the spread of STD's, it generates huge amounts of tax revenue, it frees law enforcement to focus on real crime and it keeps government out of a victimless transaction between consenting adults. Any if us who have traveled abroad know all of this.
There is nothing that Robert Kraft should be embarrassed about. He's a decent man, that has given millions to worthy charities, and he's created the best franchise in the NFL. Way better than Jim Irsay, driving heavily under the influence, and a dead mistress some where along the way, The only embarrassment here is that the USA remains the only developed country still living in the dark ages when it comes to the most natural act between two consenting adults.
Daddy Big Dick
02-25-19, 23:35
Is it really "trafficking"? Or is it a buzzword that lefty do gooders use to stop prostitution using any means and to play on the public's emotions?
I've been using AMPs for years and never once thought I was using "trafficked" slave girls.It's definitely misused as a tool or buzzword to justify prostitution arrests. If their goal was to save these women from trafficking, then they should have taken some kind of action as early as possible, not install cameras and wait what, six weeks, allowing them to allegedly be trafficked before taking action. This was done to prosecute men, not save women.
As far as local AMPs go, ask them where they live and you'll hear that they're mostly locals. Ask them if they're doing this by choice and I'll bet they say yes.
FolleBlanche
02-26-19, 10:51
That woman got a lot of money from the businessman but got greedy and asked for more. 280 k total. She should've stopped after the initial shakedown. The businessman eventually went to the police.
Kraft went to a place in Florida that had a table shower. Those places are usually more FS. Maybe he got that instead of just a handshake. Wrong place wrong time. His image is gone / tainted now.Some news outlets have said oral and manual in reference to Kraft over the past couple of days, but today the NYT reported that the video appears to show him getting two hjs. Also, that one visit was just 13 minutes. Sure doesn't sound like he was in for FS.
Couldn't agree more. I started a post on this very topic a few weeks ago on the SW thread. Every other developed country except America has legalized prostitution. Why? Because it makes sense on every level. It empowers, not demeans women, it reduces, not increases the market for trafficking and underage sex, it reduces, not increases drug addiction among providers, it is safer for men and women in crime and the spread of STD's, it generates huge amounts of tax revenue, it frees law enforcement to focus on real crime and it keeps government out of a victimless transaction between consenting adults. Any if us who have traveled abroad know all of this.
The forces against this have produced a trump card (no pun) which is the trafficking argument. It will immediately shut down any conversation about changing things.
I see that the Jupiter Police are already walking the "trafficking" thing back. I think they may have overshot this one. If you've used AMPs, you know damn well the majority of these girls are from NYC and doing it for casino money, and the most they will offer is a HJ. Maybe somebody with the resources to fight this like Kraft will expose the trafficking myth and maybe they won't be so quick to label these girls as "victims".
The forces against this have produced a trump card (no pun) which is the trafficking argument. It will immediately shut down any conversation about changing things.
I see that the Jupiter Police are already walking the "trafficking" thing back. I think they may have overshot this one. If you've used AMPs, you know damn well the majority of these girls are from NYC and doing it for casino money, and the most they will offer is a HJ. Maybe somebody with the resources to fight this like Kraft will expose the trafficking myth and maybe they won't be so quick to label these girls as "victims".I hear you. We all know that using trafficking as the reason to crack down on prostitution is the same as claiming marijuana is a gateway drug. It's just another deceptive argument perpetrated by all sides of the American political spectrum who can't face the real facts or come up with a legitimate defense of laws that do far more harm than good.
Instead of listening to the hysterical and uninformed, maybe we should listen to the experts who've actually conducted some real research and formulation of thoughtful policy:
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/decreasing-human-trafficking-through-sex-work-decriminalization/2017-01
(you know, like the AMA, Amnesty International, the WHO, the UN, and the rest of these rogue organizations dedicated to the subjugation and exploitation of women).
I know it's an uphill battle but at least the Robert Kraft incident has many of us, including some in the MSM, discussing the real elephant, and the real solution in the room:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-smerconish-questions-waste-of-police-resources-in-bob-kraft-arrest/
Not sure how else to amplify the facts and message so any thoughts are welcome. P.S. , be safe and happy hunting.
PinayLuver
02-26-19, 15:59
I hear you. We all know that using trafficking as the reason to crack down on prostitution is the same as claiming marijuana is a gateway drug. It's just another deceptive argument perpetrated by all sides of the American political spectrum who can't face the real facts or come up with a legitimate defense of laws that do far more harm than good.
Instead of listening to the hysterical and uninformed, maybe we should listen to the experts who've actually conducted some real research and formulation of thoughtful policy:
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/decreasing-human-trafficking-through-sex-work-decriminalization/2017-01
(you know, like the AMA, Amnesty International, the WHO, the UN, and the rest of these rogue organizations dedicated to the subjugation and exploitation of women).
I know it's an uphill battle but at least the Robert Kraft incident has many of us, including some in the MSM, discussing the real elephant, and the real solution in the room:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-smerconish-questions-waste-of-police-resources-in-bob-kraft-arrest/
Not sure how else to amplify the facts and message so any thoughts are welcome. P.S. , be safe and happy hunting.The only reason law enforcement is all over us mongers is because they can get away with. By going to these places we are not guilty of trafficking these women but we are guilty of participating in trafficking by supporting them with $$.
Bastardale
02-26-19, 16:05
What bugs me the most about the recent events:
1. Trafficking actually happens in this industry, but I don't think anyone has ever proven that it's a widespread problem. So when they find actual trafficking going on, they need to shut that shit down quick and make an example of the people responsible. Calling every AMP sting a trafficking operation is ridiculous and serves no purpose. It's PR and legal jumbo that I feel is ultimately harmful.
2. If they actually thought human trafficking was going on at this spa in Florida, why the hell were the cops sitting on their asses for a week while innocent women were being raped? Because if it actually was trafficking, that's what would be happening. The police knew this was just an AMP takedown. Someone got their panties in a twist and demanded action, or someone wanted a raise, or PR, or someone is running for office, or someone wanted to embarrass one of the clients in particular.
Anyway that's my feeling on that.
Glenn Q, your "Ethics" article was on point. An analogy is the trafficking of Maijuana, it is now legal in alot of states, taxed and regulated, no more "war on drugs". The majority of women I have encountered in the "Massage Trade" are in their 40's, are here legally and love the money they get. Treat the problem don't put them out of business.
Dickpalmer
02-27-19, 00:19
I was listening to the radio today and Atty. Gen. Maura Healey was on. She talked a lot about stopping sex trafficking and how they are moving away from prosecuting the "victims" and focusing their attention the "supply side" and go after the Johns. She also had a lot of nonsense facts about how they are all trafficked, pimped, and how young a lot of these girls are in the AMP's. Really? Where? The next girl I meet in an AMP that is under 25, will be my first. Seriously though, this is going to get more dangerous. The Kraft situation worked perfect for them, this is what they want. LEO wants to humiliate us until we stop going. I don't know about MA law vs. FL law but I would bet they will be trying the same tactics here soon.
DP.
I was listening to the radio today and Atty. Gen. Maura Healey was on. She talked a lot about stopping sex trafficking and how they are moving away from prosecuting the "victims" and focusing their attention the "supply side" and go after the Johns. She also had a lot of nonsense facts about how they are all trafficked, pimped, and how young a lot of these girls are in the AMP's. Really? Where? The next girl I meet in an AMP that is under 25, will be my first. Seriously though, this is going to get more dangerous. The Kraft situation worked perfect for them, this is what they want. LEO wants to humiliate us until we stop going. I don't know about MA law vs. FL law but I would bet they will be trying the same tactics here soon.
DP.But would LOVE for them to go after all of the trafficked victims at nail salons, dry cleaners and bodegas. Shit, I would guess that there are more Vietnamese women trafficked in nail salons in Springfield alone than all of the employees of AMPs in the entire state!
Turns out a Mamasan who was busted in Oxford in 2013 had moved and set up shop in Florida. So, connecting the dots, Kraft probably went to (or more likely frequented) the Oxford place and knew the mamasan and that's why he was patronizing her place down in Florida. Going to get ugly up here soon if this is the case as the local political types and LE will want to puff out their righteousness feathers again.
https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20190227/woman-who-ran-massage-parlor-in-central-massachusetts-arrested-in-2012-now-involved-in-kraft-florida-scandal
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/02/27/robert-kraft-affidavit-details-threesome-sandwich-indictment-police-report-column/2982383002/
Turns out a Mamasan who was busted in Oxford in 2013 had moved and set up shop in Florida. So, connecting the dots, Kraft probably went to (or more likely frequented) the Oxford place and knew the mamasan and that's why he was patronizing her place down in Florida. Going to get ugly up here soon if this is the case as the local political types and LE will want to puff out their righteousness feathers again.
https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20190227/woman-who-ran-massage-parlor-in-central-massachusetts-arrested-in-2012-now-involved-in-kraft-florida-scandalThis article from 2013 proves the point. The police were using the "trafficking" cudgel as much as possible. The "trafficker" went to trial, and for these supposed crimes got six months probation. No follow-up was ever done to explain how the trafficking charges were dropped. None of the "victims" were ever located. Total BS. And it's working again.
A couple of weeks ago, I noticed a new note taped on the wall of my room at 1060 that stated, in both Chinese and English, that all employees are free to come and go, etc. This was well before the FL news broke out. And I'm certain it wasn't there not that long ago. Somehow that AMP was hip to the fact this is a topic of interest to the authorities. By the casual grammar on the note, I'd say it was written in-house without professional help.
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I know you weren't trying to do it but the simple mention of either party kicks it off and it never stops.
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I don't know about any of you out there but the Kraft story has provoked some very uncomfortable conversations for me. My wife and I were just visiting her cousin in Florida very near where he was busted, so it was a hot topic around the dinner table for all the time we were there. I tried my best to sound as ignorant as they were about such things, but it was hard to respond to my wife's speculation about how all these rich men found out which massage parlors offer extras. She said, "Mar-a-Lago -I'll bet they are all members there and this is where they compare notes about places to go. " I'm thinking, "You don't need to pay tens of thousands in club fees to find out where to get a helping hand. " But I just kept my mouth shut.
OM.I have wondered how many guys have used the wives "ignorance" to tell them they were actually going to one of these places for a massage. "drop me off while you go shopping".
Plman Smith
02-27-19, 15:08
His driver dropped him off in the White Bentley on Saturday. On Sunday it was the Blue Bentley. Guess he thought they wouldn't notice.
Just heard this on Sport Hub and found the Kraft affidavits online. So, Kraft went in on the 19th got a handy. THEN he got pulled over in a Bentley on his way out of the massage parlor and got positively ID'd via his drivers license. THEN he went back for 2nd handy / possible BJ the next god damn day. Wow, noob move. If you get pulled over leaving a parlor for even a traffic stop, that should raise a red flag.
Why are you posting the phone number of a brother monger who had the bad luck to get caught up in a sweep?
Do you think that couldn't happen to you? If it did would you be ok with people posting your arrest documents including your phone number and address on the forum?
Why is he different because he's rich?
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The affidavit is quite a read. In order to get the warrant for the video surveillance, they.
1) Watched 4 men go into the spa.
2) followed them when they came out.
3) ALL 4 OF THEM had a traffic violation of some kind and got pulled over (guffaw).
4) ALL 4 OF THEM quickly implicated themselves by admitting to receiving illegal services.
The other evidence was the jizz-soaked tissues in the trash. Any attorney worth his pay could flip that.
I am not a lawyer, but if I was on RK's legal team I'd be highly skeptical that this warrant was issued under legit evidence. Just sayin'.
I was listening to the radio today and Atty. Gen. Maura Healey was on. She talked a lot about stopping sex trafficking and how they are moving away from prosecuting the "victims" and focusing their attention the "supply side" and go after the Johns. She also had a lot of nonsense facts about how they are all trafficked, pimped, and how young a lot of these girls are in the AMP's. Really? Where? The next girl I meet in an AMP that is under 25, will be my first. Seriously though, this is going to get more dangerous. The Kraft situation worked perfect for them, this is what they want. LEO wants to humiliate us until we stop going. I don't know about MA law vs. FL law but I would bet they will be trying the same tactics here soon.
DP.Funny-a few years ago our attorney general could have been arrested for her sexual choices.
Funny-a few years ago our attorney general could have been arrested for her sexual choices.Quite ironic right? Her entire time as AG she's been trying to take everyone else's rights away. You'd think she would appreciate the importance of freedom of choice to live your life how you see fit.
The affidavit is quite a read. In order to get the warrant for the video surveillance, they.
1) Watched 4 men go into the spa.
2) followed them when they came out.
3) ALL 4 OF THEM had a traffic violation of some kind and got pulled over (guffaw).
4) ALL 4 OF THEM quickly implicated themselves by admitting to receiving illegal services.
The other evidence was the jizz-soaked tissues in the trash. Any attorney worth his pay could flip that.
I am not a lawyer, but if I was on RK's legal team I'd be highly skeptical that this warrant was issued under legit evidence. Just sayin'.They are not after convictions, they're after publicity. It actually applies to most hobbyists not RK only.
A friend of mine told me told me that he gets a massage at some Asian place. I asked him if it offers any extras, like happy ending. He responded that he doesn't want to discuss things like that over the phone. This is the third time somebody refuses to discuss something over the phone or asking me if I'm crazy for mentioning something during phone conversation because who knows, right?
Being an immigrant from the USSR before it turned into Russia, etc I can safely say that I've come the full circle.
The real trafficking places are almost impossible to find.
Shutting down a HJ place is a very simple, low risk operation that earns them some points, looks good on their resume and may lead to a promotion.
-BH.
Dickpalmer
02-28-19, 00:22
Funny-a few years ago our attorney general could have been arrested for her sexual choices.Such a great point!!
It also made me think, maybe legalization could happen in my life. 20 years ago I though pot would Never be legal, now it's probably less than a decade from being legal nationally. And same for gay marriage. And gay marriage is disliked by "christians" more than prostitution! This Kraft thing maybe the first step in our long road.
Such a great point!!
It also made me think, maybe legalization could happen in my life. 20 years ago I though pot would Never be legal, now it's probably less than a decade from being legal nationally. And same for gay marriage. And gay marriage is disliked by "christians" more than prostitution! This Kraft thing maybe the first step in our long road.'Christians' and conservatives might be an obstacle to total pot legalization (they are more of a drinking crowd) but they are are not a problem in regards to prostitution. The problem is that 'prostitution' is dislike by the other side, the feminists, the #MeToo-ists, as well as working women who intuitively see something that deep inside they are terrified of as well as jealous of (who said that women must be logical). They refuse to believe that it's often actually preserves their marriages from completely disintegrating. This whole largely invented and imagined phenomena of "human trafficking" is what mainly drives the antagonism towards legalization of prostitution and it sure is a baby of the left rather then the right. Not that it doesn't exist at all but it truly is very rare compared to fully consensual "trafficking" if you know what I mean.
There was a monger in previous posts who mentioned that his wife brought up Kraft over dinner table and he just kept silent. I think it was a mistake because silence sometimes speaks volumes. What he should've done is he should've shaken his head in dismay and said "that's disgusting" or something similar. I'm sure he'd seen his wife's face light up like a Christmas candle. They are totally illogically stupid in that regard. A female friend told me that she'd rather have her SO have a mistress (or two) then see commercial ladies because "that's dirty and disgusting". When I said that a mistress could actually pose a problem to her family while hookers in all likelihood won't and in fact probably serve to keep it together she would have none of it.
PlasterMoon
02-28-19, 12:14
'Christians' and conservatives might be an obstacle to total pot legalization (they are more of a drinking crowd) but they are are not a problem in regards to prostitution. The problem is that 'prostitution' is dislike by the other side, the feminists, the #MeToo-ists, as well as working women who intuitively see something that deep inside they are terrified of as well as jealous of (who said that women must be logical). They refuse to believe that it's often actually preserves their marriages from completely disintegrating. This whole largely invented and imagined phenomena of "human trafficking" is what mainly drives the antagonism towards legalization of prostitution and it sure is a baby of the left rather then the right. Not that it doesn't exist at all but it truly is very rare compared to fully consensual "trafficking" if you know what I mean.
There was a monger in previous posts who mentioned that his wife brought up Kraft over dinner table and he just kept silent. I think it was a mistake because silence sometimes speaks volumes. What he should've done is he should've shaken his head in dismay and said "that's disgusting" or something similar. I'm sure he'd seen his wife's face light up like a Christmas candle. They are totally illogically stupid in that regard. A female friend told me that she'd rather have her SO have a mistress (or two) then see commercial ladies because "that's dirty and disgusting". When I said that a mistress could actually pose a problem to her family while hookers in all likelihood won't and in fact probably serve to keep it together she would have none of it.While of course it's true that the Woke crowd is ranting about trafficking, it was the GOP and Trump who instituted the laws that have crippled the internet for mongers and providers alike. That was done to throw a bone to the Christian base and wouldn't (and didn't) happen before the GOP controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. With neither side looking to provoke the other side's moralists, we may be stuck for a while.
HowardSprague
02-28-19, 17:16
Found this article on my AP News feed today. Some may find it interesting as it references (I believe) the notorious Coco and her bust from a few years back.
<https://apnews.com/6e0eb430041e431699ced179572f922f>.
What bugs me the most about the recent events:
1. Trafficking actually happens in this industry, but I don't think anyone has ever proven that it's a widespread problem. So when they find actual trafficking going on, they need to shut that shit down quick and make an example of the people responsible. Calling every AMP sting a trafficking operation is ridiculous and serves no purpose. It's PR and legal jumbo that I feel is ultimately harmful.
2. If they actually thought human trafficking was going on at this spa in Florida, why the hell were the cops sitting on their asses for a week while innocent women were being raped? Because if it actually was trafficking, that's what would be happening. The police knew this was just an AMP takedown. Someone got their panties in a twist and demanded action, or someone wanted a raise, or PR, or someone is running for office, or someone wanted to embarrass one of the clients in particular.
Anyway that's my feeling on that.1) Trafficking sells more headlines.
2) the trumped up charges are there so that there's a greater chance of a plea and a "positive" win for the prosecution. See 3.
3) the legal system is just a joke and it's politics. Yes, there are real criminals, but there are also a lot of people facing charges and people that were "dumb" and take pleas just to get it over with because it is the path of least resistance. Fighting the charges is expensive, time consuming and you never know what way the wind will blow with your judge who's ultimately human and may be having a bad day. It sucks, because this shit ruins lives.
Daddy Big Dick
02-28-19, 19:22
While of course it's true that the Woke crowd is ranting about trafficking, it was the GOP and Trump who instituted the laws that have crippled the internet for mongers and providers alike. That was done to throw a bone to the Christian base and wouldn't (and didn't) happen before the GOP controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. With neither side looking to provoke the other side's moralists, we may be stuck for a while.The reality is that FOSTA passed the house by a 388-25 vote with 14 republicans and 11 democrats voting no and the senate by a 97-2 vote with 1 democrat and 1 republican voting no. Place blame where blame is due.
I just received two seperate emails. One from oneback page and the other from p411. Backpage a 10 credit for me to post something and p411 an free opportunity to renew my acct. I will add my account has been inactive for well over 3 years.
Why now on the same day do I recieve these offers. I am not responding but it has my thinking something is not right.
JoeMuckInFutch
03-01-19, 12:12
First, let me say I hope I am still going to AMPs at 77 and getting off twice in two days He is an inspiration to us older mongers.
I have a feeling he has been going to the place for a long time, someone spotted him and they set up this elaborate sting to catch him and other celebs so the cops and politicians can gain notoriety. Maybe as Dolphins fans they also hope that cocksucker Goodell takes away more draft choices.
I hope Kraft is one of the mongers on here. He can afford to fight this to the end. Unless there is audio of a quid pro quo, how can they find him guilty? Fight it Bob. Also think about the de facto punishment here we all could suffer like public humiliation possible loss of job and marriage, etc. Which is far greater than the de jure fine. How does that square with the recent unanimous SCOTUS decision on unreasonable punishment? Maybe a lawyer monger can weigh in here?
But maybe Bob can also lead the charge for legalization. That would be a legacy almost as good as six rings.
First, let me say I hope I am still going to AMPs at 77 and getting off twice in two days He is an inspiration to us older mongers.
I have a feeling he has been going to the place for a long time, someone spotted him and they set up this elaborate sting to catch him and other celebs so the cops and politicians can gain notoriety. Maybe as Dolphins fans they also hope that cocksucker Goodell takes away more draft choices.
I hope Kraft is one of the mongers on here. He can afford to fight this to the end. Unless there is audio of a quid pro quo, how can they find him guilty? Fight it Bob. Also think about the de facto punishment here we all could suffer like public humiliation possible loss of job and marriage, etc. Which is far greater than the de jure fine. How does that square with the recent unanimous SCOTUS decision on unreasonable punishment? Maybe a lawyer monger can weigh in here?
But maybe Bob can also lead the charge for legalization. That would be a legacy almost as good as six rings.I totally agree. If they did not recognize Kraft and knew he frequented, would have just closed down the place rather than go for their elaborate scheme to get cameras in there.
He should be found not guilty for the charges if it even gets that far. But in the odd circumstance does not turn out that way, will bode ill for all.
Yello Tail
03-01-19, 15:13
I totally agree. If they did not recognize Kraft and knew he frequented, would have just closed down the place rather than go for their elaborate scheme to get cameras in there.
He should be found not guilty for the charges if it even gets that far. But in the odd circumstance does not turn out that way, will bode ill for all.I heard that the traffic stop that Identified him was illegal and that the videos are going to ruled as inadmissible as none of the parties involved gave permission. So he may get off on a technicality.
He should be found not guilty for the charges if it even gets that far. But in the odd circumstance does not turn out that way, will bode ill for all.It already will have a chilling effect on AMPs everywhere, as mongers everywhere will be considering whether or not it is worth the risk of walking into an establishment.
DoubleDippin
03-01-19, 16:30
It already will have a chilling effect on AMPs everywhere, as mongers everywhere will be considering whether or not it is worth the risk of walking into an establishment.A vast majority of AMP already have security cameras so SMILE.
Unless they bugged the room being used all they will see is you paying the house for a massage.
A vast majority of AMP already have security cameras so SMILE.
Unless they bugged the room being used all they will see is you paying the house for a massage.There are also some places that only provide a massage. Wonder how they will be impacted through all this. Some folks will assume all Asian massage places are the same.
It already will have a chilling effect on AMPs everywhere, as mongers everywhere will be considering whether or not it is worth the risk of walking into an establishment.Wonder if they will be offering "please come back" discounts if business gets slow enough.
Ho Hunter 328
03-01-19, 17:23
I heard that the traffic stop that Identified him was illegal and that the videos are going to ruled as inadmissible as none of the parties involved gave permission. So he may get off on a technicality.It doesn't really matter, they already got what they really wanted out of it. Most of these cases get thrown out if it goes to trial, but many will just take a plea bargain. Plus Uncle LEO already made their arrest, and got their publicity.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
DoubleDippin
03-01-19, 19:30
There are also some places that only provide a massage. Wonder how they will be impacted through all this. Some folks will assume all Asian massage places are the same.It should have an interesting ending. Get seen on a camera paying the house the massage fee is hardly news worthy but now if they have him on camera getting his Johnson massaged and it was a planted LEO camera that is a real twist.
First, let me say I hope I am still going to AMPs at 77 and getting off twice in two days He is an inspiration to us older mongers.
I have a feeling he has been going to the place for a long time, someone spotted him and they set up this elaborate sting to catch him and other celebs so the cops and politicians can gain notoriety. Maybe as Dolphins fans they also hope that cocksucker Goodell takes away more draft choices.
I hope Kraft is one of the mongers on here. He can afford to fight this to the end. Unless there is audio of a quid pro quo, how can they find him guilty? Fight it Bob. Also think about the de facto punishment here we all could suffer like public humiliation possible loss of job and marriage, etc. Which is far greater than the de jure fine. How does that square with the recent unanimous SCOTUS decision on unreasonable punishment? Maybe a lawyer monger can weigh in here?
But maybe Bob can also lead the charge for legalization. That would be a legacy almost as good as six rings.Thumbs up from me and yes, if you're here Bob. Get'them Bob! Do a good thing and get them! You know it's good for society. You know how many marriages these girls keep from disintegrating. I bet if they legalize prostitution our divorce rates would plummet.
Still, they're not after conviction here, they're after publicity. They got what they were after. I bet soon Bob will transfer his ownership of the Pats to Johnathan and retire from the team. I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened before next season. He will retain the ownership of the Revs though in attempt to attract more attention to soccer.
Maybe he will help open an Orchids of Asia at Patriot Place.
Thumbs up from me and yes, if you're here Bob. Get'them Bob! Do a good thing and get them! You know it's good for society. You know how many marriages these girls keep from disintegrating. I bet if they legalize prostitution our divorce rates would plummet.
Still, they're not after conviction here, they're after publicity. They got what they were after. I bet soon Bob will transfer his ownership of the Pats to Johnathan and retire from the team. I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened before next season. He will retain the ownership of the Revs though in attempt to attract more attention to soccer.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/us/massage-parlors-human-trafficking.html
Longjblues
03-02-19, 11:39
Krafts reputation has already taken a hit. However, when you have billions, do you really care outside of your family and friends? Additionally, the public has a very short term focus, particularly when you are donating to women's shelters and women charities. Kraft will recover.
Kraft needs to suppress the video and get a not guilty for purposes of the NFL more than anything. I know that the NFL can still penalize him but the other grumpy old owners can't feign outrage and disgust with a not guilty.
It doesn't really matter, they already got what they really wanted out of it. Most of these cases get thrown out if it goes to trial, but many will just take a plea bargain. Plus Uncle LEO already made their arrest, and got their publicity.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
New York Post: https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/how-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-could-get-off-in-prostitution-case/.
I just received two seperate emails. One from oneback page and the other from p411. Backpage a 10 credit for me to post something and p411 an free opportunity to renew my acct. I will add my account has been inactive for well over 3 years.
Why now on the same day do I recieve these offers. I am not responding but it has my thinking something is not right.I knew the kraft bs would render this post unread.
I just received two seperate emails. One from oneback page and the other from p411. Backpage a 10 credit for me to post something and p411 an free opportunity to renew my acct. I will add my account has been inactive for well over 3 years.
Why now on the same day do I recieve these offers. I am not responding but it has my thinking something is not right.Got an email from P411 today, same offer. I am skeptical. Any members currently active on P411?
Aimstraight
03-02-19, 23:55
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RetailWorker
03-03-19, 02:27
Got an email from P411 today, same offer. I am skeptical. Any members currently active on P411?I have been a member for a little over a year now and didn't receive any such email. When I actually do get a message, it's from the regular site inbox which I get a notification.
Krafts reputation has already taken a hit. However, when you have billions, do you really care outside of your family and friends? Additionally, the public has a very short term focus, particularly when you are donating to women's shelters and women charities. Kraft will recover.
Kraft needs to suppress the video and get a not guilty for purposes of the NFL more than anything. I know that the NFL can still penalize him but the other grumpy old owners can't feign outrage and disgust with a not guilty.Of course they can. Zeke Elliott was suspended six games even though he wasn't even charged with a crime.
Which always makes me happy.
Of course it will never make any difference to the 'cops are heros' crowd. Pathetic ilk. If you made water illegal, cops would just continue to follow orders and be the fools / tools that they are.
New York Post: https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/how-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-could-get-off-in-prostitution-case/.
I have been a member for a little over a year now and didn't receive any such email. When I actually do get a message, it's from the regular site inbox which I get a notification.Can you pm me the email address so I can compare bc getting one from p411 and onebackpage on same day. I don't teust replying to either.
Got an email from P411 today, same offer. I am skeptical. Any members currently active on P411?I got the same message and its legit. If you don't trust the link just go to the regular site and sign in and the option for the free time is there. At least it was for me.
Please don't give idiots like this traction.
I wrote him and asked him why he told so many lies but when you put links to an article on his site here he gets a bump in traffic and a back link.
I refuse to help lying cocksuckers like that get a podium.
He said you guys are forced to pay for a membership when not only don't we offer paid memberships (we want to but it's complicated) you guys couldn't pay us if you tried.
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AmpExplorer
03-24-19, 16:06
Krafts reputation has already taken a hit. However, when you have billions, do you really care outside of your family and friends? Additionally, the public has a very short term focus, particularly when you are donating to women's shelters and women charities. Kraft will recover.
Kraft needs to suppress the video and get a not guilty for purposes of the NFL more than anything. I know that the NFL can still penalize him but the other grumpy old owners can't feign outrage and disgust with a not guilty.Kraft is a bizillionare and has been a likable high profile owner. But right now I am more concerned about the disruptions this has all created at least on the East coast for the AMP scene. Whether he gets 1 game to 1 year suspension doesn't help us to get the service we have been accustomed. Moving onward in our hobbying pursuits.
More Kraft.
I was hopeful the Kraft case would have the side benefit of exposing the "trafficking" myth used by police in any and all busts. It looks like it's starting to happen.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/28/lawyer...titution-case/
Choice quotes:
"His outraged was sparked by the sheriff, who repeatedly insisted human trafficking was at the heart of the arrests, later admitting to Florida's WPTV that his office was "just a little short to being able to prove" that. ".
"You don't get on a soapbox and start accusing people of being involved in human trafficking and then, weeks later, say 'Nevermind' and think that's the way you can get away with that. ".
"They are supposed to be upholding the law. They are supposed to be officers of justice, but instead, he's concocting false allegations against people in order to further headlines rather than justice. ".
Damn straight!
More Kraft.
I was hopeful the Kraft case would have the side benefit of exposing the "trafficking" myth used by police in any and all busts. It looks like it's starting to happen.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/28/lawyer...titution-case/
Choice quotes:
"His outraged was sparked by the sheriff, who repeatedly insisted human trafficking was at the heart of the arrests, later admitting to Florida's WPTV that his office was "just a little short to being able to prove" that. ".
"You don't get on a soapbox and start accusing people of being involved in human trafficking and then, weeks later, say 'Nevermind' and think that's the way you can get away with that. ".
"They are supposed to be upholding the law. They are supposed to be officers of justice, but instead, he's concocting false allegations against people in order to further headlines rather than justice. ".
Damn straight!The link is broken. I'd love to read the article but no can do. Could you repost it please?
https://nypost.com/2019/03/28/lawyer-for-robert-kraft-blasts-sheriff-as-liar-in-prostitution-case/
Miketastic69
03-28-19, 21:58
https://nypost.com/2019/03/28/lawyer-for-robert-kraft-blasts-sheriff-as-liar-in-prostitution-case/Would it be perjury or at least lying to a judge if the claim on a search warrant request identified probable cause for human trafficking? Or can they claim anything (aliens, spilt milk, Bigfoot) and it becomes the judges responsibility to believe them or not? If someone lies to a judge as a defendant or witness its perjury. The sheriff is a witness to a crime and the search warrant is produced based on that proof or probable proof?
Would it be perjury or at least lying to a judge if the claim on a search warrant request identified probable cause for human trafficking? Or can they claim anything (aliens, spilt milk, Bigfoot) and it becomes the judges responsibility to believe them or not? If someone lies to a judge as a defendant or witness its perjury. The sheriff is a witness to a crime and the search warrant is produced based on that proof or probable proof?Pretty sure the worst that can happen is the evidence gets thrown out if the warrant was improperly obtained. But in this case, the damage they were seeking is done anyway. That's why they offered him the deal.
Just hoping next time the media treats the trafficking claim with healthy skepticism. The irony is that if trafficking is actually taking place (rare) this will actually hurt the cause. Kind of the Jussie Smollet effect.
Perjury is lying under oath. Lying to a Federal Agent is also a felony, as Mr. Flynn discovered. But obtaining a warrant under false pretenses is never prosecuted.
In today's Globe:
https://www2.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/04/27/wayland-suburban-moms-take-aim-sex-trafficking/h9Mts6VbKjY7zQoAN76lZK/story.html
I am not a lawyer but I am pretty sure that it is illegal to approach random people asking them whether they want to be where they are.
A quick search on the Internet showed this: "Invasion of privacy is a Class A misdemeanor, but can be charged as a Level 6 felony if a person has a prior unrelated conviction for invasion of privacy." These crazy people don't seem to realize that invading providers' privacy may result in jail time. Not for providers.
Bunch of fucking busy bodies. Wait until they find one of their husbands walking out of one.
In today's Globe:
https://www2.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/04/27/wayland-suburban-moms-take-aim-sex-trafficking/h9Mts6VbKjY7zQoAN76lZK/story.html
I am not a lawyer but I am pretty sure that it is illegal to approach random people asking them whether they want to be where they are.
A quick search on the Internet showed this: "Invasion of privacy is a Class A misdemeanor, but can be charged as a Level 6 felony if a person has a prior unrelated conviction for invasion of privacy." These crazy people don't seem to realize that invading providers' privacy may result in jail time. Not for providers..
In today's Globe:
https://www2.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/04/27/wayland-suburban-moms-take-aim-sex-trafficking/h9Mts6VbKjY7zQoAN76lZK/story.html
I am not a lawyer but I am pretty sure that it is illegal to approach random people asking them whether they want to be where they are.
A quick search on the Internet showed this: "Invasion of privacy is a Class A misdemeanor, but can be charged as a Level 6 felony if a person has a prior unrelated conviction for invasion of privacy." These crazy people don't seem to realize that invading providers' privacy may result in jail time. Not for providers.All of them concerned about the sex trafficking in FL. Which turned out not to be happening.
In today's Globe:
https://www2.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/04/27/wayland-suburban-moms-take-aim-sex-trafficking/h9Mts6VbKjY7zQoAN76lZK/story.html
I am not a lawyer but I am pretty sure that it is illegal to approach random people asking them whether they want to be where they are.
A quick search on the Internet showed this: "Invasion of privacy is a Class A misdemeanor, but can be charged as a Level 6 felony if a person has a prior unrelated conviction for invasion of privacy." These crazy people don't seem to realize that invading providers' privacy may result in jail time. Not for providers.Go walk your effing dogs.
Go walk your effing dogs.Those old crusty fat bags have nothing else better to do with their time.
Those old crusty fat bags have nothing else better to do with their time.To be fair, these women believe girls are being trafficked. It's not just that they're looking to shut down places that don't approve of, but they believe they're work will save these girls. They simply hear the news reports as fact. "Under suspicion of human trafficking" becomes "My God, these poor girls are being trafficked, doing this work against their will!" They might not be as aggressive if they believed these girls were willingly working in these places.
To be fair, these women believe girls are being trafficked. It's not just that they're looking to shut down places that don't approve of, but they believe they're work will save these girls. They simply hear the news reports as fact. "Under suspicion of human trafficking" becomes "My God, these poor girls are being trafficked, doing this work against their will!" They might not be as aggressive if they believed these girls were willingly working in these places.And they don't see the irony when after their meetings they stop and get their nails done at the expensive salon with Vietnamese woman servicing them.
To be fair, these women believe girls are being trafficked. It's not just that they're looking to shut down places that don't approve of, but they believe they're work will save these girls. They simply hear the news reports as fact. "Under suspicion of human trafficking" becomes "My God, these poor girls are being trafficked, doing this work against their will!" They might not be as aggressive if they believed these girls were willingly working in these places.Actually it's not that they "believe" that these girls are being trafficked. They just refuse to believe that they are NOT being trafficked.
There is ample info out there that says that 99.9% of those girls do it on their own accord, and many are even proud to be able to support their families back home. Also, considering the quality of life in rural China many of those girls never had it as good as when working in America's whorehouses and look at any attempt to remove it from there as an attempt to do them harm. But accepting that would go against these ladies puritanical heritage (Cotton Mather is grinning in his grave about his values are being alive and well after all that time if not in word then in spirit), would make them feel like evil-doers instead of the heroes, and also hit something Fraudean inside, first of all this action makes them feel superior: since they're saving hoes they not hoes themselves, even if back in the day they were their HS football team's "goto" toys. Also by doing that they're almost "chasing the devil away" from themselves. Also many women who live in Wayland (I personally know two) have a lot of time on their hands and that keeps it all busy and interesting.
There are a lot of reasons for those women doing that but when you strip it all down benevolence is the last one on their list.
EarlSandwich
04-28-19, 16:22
In today's Globe:
https://www2.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/04/27/wayland-suburban-moms-take-aim-sex-trafficking/h9Mts6VbKjY7zQoAN76lZK/story.html
I am not a lawyer but I am pretty sure that it is illegal to approach random people asking them whether they want to be where they are.
A quick search on the Internet showed this: "Invasion of privacy is a Class A misdemeanor, but can be charged as a Level 6 felony if a person has a prior unrelated conviction for invasion of privacy." These crazy people don't seem to realize that invading providers' privacy may result in jail time. Not for providers.Someone want to copy and paste the article? I'm over my limit for the paywall.
To be fair, these women believe girls are being trafficked. It's not just that they're looking to shut down places that don't approve of, but they believe they're work will save these girls. They simply hear the news reports as fact. "Under suspicion of human trafficking" becomes "My God, these poor girls are being trafficked, doing this work against their will!" They might not be as aggressive if they believed these girls were willingly working in these places.If by chance they actually come across a "real" trafficking establishment, would guess they would not be able to leave and would be put to work themselves.
https://turtleboysports.com/woke-white-wayland-savior-moms-drive-2-asian-immigrant-businesses-out-of-town-by-harassing-them-for-months-because-they-think-theyre-sex-trafficking/
https://turtleboysports.com/woke-white-wayland-savior-moms-drive-2-asian-immigrant-businesses-out-of-town-by-harassing-them-for-months-because-they-think-theyre-sex-trafficking/I want to light bags of shit on fire on each of their doorsteps.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/07/human-trafficking-arrest-boston-chinatown-zhou-feng-mei-zhang-arraignment/
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https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-ne-cb-robert-kraft-spa-cases-failings-20190518-gqduneepjvcq3lykburpemy35a-story.html
But Hanser concluded the warrant still broke federal law, because police didn't do enough to focus only on crimes and to minimize the cameras' intrusiveness. At all of the spas with the secret cameras, police wound up recording people receiving lawful services, even though the focus was supposed to be only on men paying for sex acts.
Failing to be vigilant and not record women "is a serious flaw in the search warrant, especially considering that the search warrant did not allege women were seeking illegal contact," Hanser wrote. He called it "unacceptable" that "some totally innocent women and men had their entire lawful time spent in a massage room fully recorded. ".
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Sex work may be decriminalized in New York soon!
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-York-Sex-Work-Legalization-511067151.html
https://www.boston25news.com/news/cities-and-towns-see-surge-in-prostitution-in-surprising-places-across-state/901849298
It was posted back in January. What surprised me more is prostitution is prevalent in SouthBridge, MA. I honestly never knew. This opioid crisis is way beyond control!.
Longjblues
06-26-19, 16:32
Lets see, the news is that street walking has surged because of the shutdown of Backpage, etc. Oh, and because of the opioid crisis.
It has increased significantly in Southbridge, Worcester, Lawrence, and Boston. Who could have seen that coming, eh?
A female judge is trying to get a program established to help the ladies, because "Psychologically, they've been brainwashed and dependent on their pimp and abusers," said Judge Coffey. And there aren't enough programs for drug addicts and women already.
I guess there are no ladies out there that are independent enough to get hooked on drugs or to prostitute themselves on their own. It is always those wicked men that lead them astray.
And yet, all women are the equal of all those wicked, wicked men, until they are not equal, and need to be treated special. What a world we live in.
Any chance that there are any guys out there that are addicts that need help too??
https://www.boston25news.com/news/cities-and-towns-see-surge-in-prostitution-in-surprising-places-across-state/901849298
It was posted back in January. What surprised me more is prostitution is prevalent in SouthBridge, MA. I honestly never knew. This opioid crisis is way beyond control!.
Sex work may be decriminalized in New York soon!
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-York-Sex-Work-Legalization-511067151.htmlWith the middle aged frumpy white woman. They'll try to destroy it.
Lets see, the news is that street walking has surged because of the shutdown of Backpage, etc. Oh, and because of the opioid crisis.
It has increased significantly in Southbridge, Worcester, Lawrence, and Boston. Who could have seen that coming, eh?
A female judge is trying to get a program established to help the ladies, because "Psychologically, they've been brainwashed and dependent on their pimp and abusers," said Judge Coffey. And there aren't enough programs for drug addicts and women already.
I guess there are no ladies out there that are independent enough to get hooked on drugs or to prostitute themselves on their own. It is always those wicked men that lead them astray.
And yet, all women are the equal of all those wicked, wicked men, until they are not equal, and need to be treated special. What a world we live in.
Any chance that there are any guys out there that are addicts that need help too??They can't get by on their minimum wage jobs.
Lets see, the news is that street walking has surged because of the shutdown of Backpage, etc. Oh, and because of the opioid crisis.
It has increased significantly in Southbridge, Worcester, Lawrence, and Boston. Who could have seen that coming, eh?
A female judge is trying to get a program established to help the ladies, because "Psychologically, they've been brainwashed and dependent on their pimp and abusers," said Judge Coffey. And there aren't enough programs for drug addicts and women already.
I guess there are no ladies out there that are independent enough to get hooked on drugs or to prostitute themselves on their own. It is always those wicked men that lead them astray.
And yet, all women are the equal of all those wicked, wicked men, until they are not equal, and need to be treated special. What a world we live in.
Any chance that there are any guys out there that are addicts that need help too??Dude, the answer is very simple. We're getting pussywhipped and we're not tough enough to resist it. We're just not made that way. We were always an inferior sex but were made believe to be superior when it served the purpose of the superior sex. Now they don't even need us anymore to work for them or make babies. You know what happens to species that lose their purpose for existence, right? Right. It would take less than 100 years in my estimate. Nature is cruel but predictable.
https://whdh.com/news/ag-9-charged-in-sex-trafficking-ring-that-extended-from-north-shore-to-boston/
WalterMitty
09-08-19, 06:38
After reading this, it seems that making this a State responsibility and taking it out the hands of the local Gov.
May actually slow down raids on AMPs due to $$.
https://www.wickedlocal.com/news/20190907/framingham-marlborough-officials-body-work-bill-has-limits
This not exactly new but I didn't see it previously. There was a parlor bust in Texas, some time ago and the article, describing it, says: "During an investigation of area massage parlors, police said they found hidden cameras in the massage rooms showing approximately 400 persons involved in sex acts with the trafficking victims", implying that someone else installed the cameras, not them. A customer perhaps? I wonder how common is this, and whether it happens here in MA as well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/amp/Texas-prostitution-bust-arrest-massage-parlor-waco-12825788.php
Trickster666
09-24-19, 14:02
This not exactly new but I didn't see it previously. There was a parlor bust in Texas, some time ago and the article, describing it, says: "During an investigation of area massage parlors, police said they found hidden cameras in the massage rooms showing approximately 400 persons involved in sex acts with the trafficking victims", implying that someone else installed the cameras, not them. A customer perhaps? I wonder how common is this, and whether it happens here in MA as well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/amp/Texas-prostitution-bust-arrest-massage-parlor-waco-12825788.phpI don't think the audio / video monitoring is common but it happens as we speak. Was warned by someone about this a couple of months ago, and purchased an advanced hidden microphone / camera detector. It's totally legal and you can find many of those online. Was taking it with me, and in only one well-known local parlor an actively transmitting device was detected. No idea who installed it, but there aren't too many possibilities to consider.
OldtimerMa
09-24-19, 21:03
I don't think the audio / video monitoring is common but it happens as we speak. Was warned by someone about this a couple of months ago, and purchased an advanced hidden microphone / camera detector. It's totally legal and you can find many of those online. Was taking it with me, and in only one well-known local parlor an actively transmitting device was detected. No idea who installed it, but there aren't too many possibilities to consider.Wait a minute, are you saying that one of the popular local parlors is constantly videomonitored inside the massage rooms? May I ask which one, please? I will never be there again.
Trickster666
09-25-19, 08:56
Wait a minute, are you saying that one of the popular local parlors is constantly videomonitored inside the massage rooms? May I ask which one, please? I will never be there again.That is Beech place in Belmont. Ir was still there as recently as a couple of days ago. I never parked at the parlor and couldn't figure out why Candy (goes by Lisa now) repeatedly asked me where I am parking and why I am not parking at their lot. That was odd, why would be that of any interest to her. It all makes sense now, as they, probably, wanted the plate info to identify people on videos. Anyway, if you still go there, don't park at their lot ever. It seems to be closely watched.
That is Beech place in Belmont. Ir was still there as recently as a couple of days ago. I never parked at the parlor and couldn't figure out why Candy (goes by Lisa now) repeatedly asked me where I am parking and why I am not parking at their lot. That was odd, why would be that of any interest to her. It all makes sense now, as they, probably, wanted the plate info to identify people on videos. Anyway, if you still go there, don't park at their lot ever. It seems to be closely watched.Always park a few blocks away or somewhere away from businesses. 2019 has many folks getting security cams for their safety of their businesses and if someone tends to be stupid and does something, the mafia will come and get ya for ruining it for them. Just don't be a dumbass and park near the door. First, it is easy to get busted right outside of the door. I know most of ya watch MSNBC, by Chris Hansen, let's face it, it is a lesson. Hahaha.
TheBoobHound
09-26-19, 01:13
This not exactly new but I didn't see it previously. There was a parlor bust in Texas, some time ago and the article, describing it, says: "During an investigation of area massage parlors, police said they found hidden cameras in the massage rooms showing approximately 400 persons involved in sex acts with the trafficking victims", implying that someone else installed the cameras, not them. A customer perhaps? I wonder how common is this, and whether it happens here in MA as well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/amp/Texas-prostitution-bust-arrest-massage-parlor-waco-12825788.phpI have a friend I met in a spa several years ago who's now opened a couple AMPs of her own. I had dinner with her recently and she showed me how she gets a notification on her phone each time a customer enters one of her shops. It was apparently motion activated by the video monitor and the app sends her a frame from the video. She swiped her thumb over her phone and it whizzed down scrolling through images of a ton of dudes. I'd expect that most places have a similar setup these days.
As far as cameras / microphones in the rooms? I hope that's not common. I guess there's a bunch of reasons why they might do it. To coach the girls on what to do, to ensure that certain activities aren't happening; to ensure that customers aren't getting too much time without paying the correct house fee; for quality assurance; just to snoop; or to build up material to blackmail with. I've heard rumors of this type of stuff before. Sometimes not even involving technology, things like the owner/manager watching through a grate or a false mirror. Maybe just age-old monger paranoia.
But it does make you look back on certain interactions and wonder if there was more to the story. Like when you ask for certain acts and the girl shushes you. She complies but insists that you don't make a sound.
I have a friend I met in a spa several years ago who's now opened a couple AMPs of her own. I had dinner with her recently and she showed me how she gets a notification on her phone each time a customer enters one of her shops. It was apparently motion activated by the video monitor and the app sends her a frame from the video. She swiped her thumb over her phone and it whizzed down scrolling through images of a ton of dudes. I'd expect that most places have a similar setup these days.
As far as cameras / microphones in the rooms? I hope that's not common. I guess there's a bunch of reasons why they might do it. To coach the girls on what to do, to ensure that certain activities aren't happening; to ensure that customers aren't getting too much time without paying the correct house fee; for quality assurance; just to snoop; or to build up material to blackmail with. I've heard rumors of this type of stuff before. Sometimes not even involving technology, things like the owner/manager watching through a grate or a false mirror. Maybe just age-old monger paranoia.
But it does make you look back on certain interactions and wonder if there was more to the story. Like when you ask for certain acts and the girl shushes you. She complies but insists that you don't make a sound.I too got pretty close to a girl in Dover NH AMP, they didn't open until 10 a and I went by there everyday and learned which car was the mamasan, so I knew if she was there or not, I asked the girl if I could come at 8 or 9 so we could have sex with no rush or interruptions, she told me that there was a motion activated camera that the mamasan got a notification when someone entered, I asked if there were other cameras, any in the rooms and she said no, just at the front door. The mamasan showed the girl on her phone her first day there and showed all the girls that worked there that she was watching, keeping them honest. I think this is more common then we want to think about.
I too got pretty close to a girl in Dover NH AMP, they didn't open until 10 a and I went by there everyday and learned which car was the mamasan, so I knew if she was there or not, I asked the girl if I could come at 8 or 9 so we could have sex with no rush or interruptions, she told me that there was a motion activated camera that the mamasan got a notification when someone entered, I asked if there were other cameras, any in the rooms and she said no, just at the front door. The mamasan showed the girl on her phone her first day there and showed all the girls that worked there that she was watching, keeping them honest. I think this is more common then we want to think about.Its got to be 15 years or more I have been at this, spas always have cameras, some you can see the monitor. Far east has a sign in the parking lot saying video survalance never been an issue.
OldtimerMa
09-26-19, 08:12
I too got pretty close to a girl in Dover NH AMP, they didn't open until 10 a and I went by there everyday and learned which car was the mamasan, so I knew if she was there or not, I asked the girl if I could come at 8 or 9 so we could have sex with no rush or interruptions, she told me that there was a motion activated camera that the mamasan got a notification when someone entered, I asked if there were other cameras, any in the rooms and she said no, just at the front door. The mamasan showed the girl on her phone her first day there and showed all the girls that worked there that she was watching, keeping them honest. I think this is more common then we want to think about.It's completely understandable when the parlor owner has something like that at the shop to ensure that the fraction of the house fee goes to her / him. But video recording inside the massage rooms brings everything to a completely new level. I don't think I will come even close to Beech ever. Not sure what Candy was thinking opening a FS shop in the heavily populated residential area in Belmont. It's just unavoidable that the parlor will be busted at some point, and what if they found all these video recordings, or at least part of them.
TomWantsFun
09-26-19, 10:32
These days and with tech revolution, the girls working in spas even don't know that there are cameras in the room which they can't see. Forget about clients. Every move is recorded and can be used against girls or clients if need be. I guess how quickly we forgot Robert Kraft and Patriots saga! Regardless of legality on these matters, it is fact that we are watched once in parking lot till we leave. Few years back I spoke with this girl who used to work in Providence on Branch avenue in a studio. After she quit there, visited her at her own place and she told me that studio had cameras in each room and being watched for what services she provided clients. It was for how much she charged for each services and not to really watch client activities! Studio wanted to make sure that she was not giving out FS at cheap rate! Massage parlor girls / mamasun can say anything they want to clients. But it is being watched. In fact, I was going to meet this 35 year old woman in Pawtucket last year and casually asked her if she has camera in her apt and she said yes. Of course, I didn't go there. If we think that we are not being taped / watched then we are ALL fool (Including myself). Motels / hotels have cameras in parking lots / doors / hallways and so on as well. We can't hide anymore!
I too got pretty close to a girl in Dover NH AMP, they didn't open until 10 a and I went by there everyday and learned which car was the mamasan, so I knew if she was there or not, I asked the girl if I could come at 8 or 9 so we could have sex with no rush or interruptions, she told me that there was a motion activated camera that the mamasan got a notification when someone entered, I asked if there were other cameras, any in the rooms and she said no, just at the front door. The mamasan showed the girl on her phone her first day there and showed all the girls that worked there that she was watching, keeping them honest. I think this is more common then we want to think about..
It's completely understandable when the parlor owner has something like that at the shop to ensure that the fraction of the house fee goes to her / him. But video recording inside the massage rooms brings everything to a completely new level. I don't think I will come even close to Beech ever. Not sure what Candy was thinking opening a FS shop in the heavily populated residential area in Belmont. It's just unavoidable that the parlor will be busted at some point, and what if they found all these video recordings, or at least part of them.Right, it's not somewhere, some time -- it's right here, right now at a place where people come in massive numbers for a raw quickie. Too close for comfort, coming to the realization that it's all stored on someone's hard drive.
Longjblues
10-16-19, 15:27
Tourist Fined for Wearing 'Tiny' Bikini on Popular Beach in the Philippines.
Here is link to report and pic of woman wearing the offending bathing suit. It was definitely an itsy bitsy.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tourist-fined-wearing-tiny-bikini-195555772.html
Tourist Fined for Wearing 'Tiny' Bikini on Popular Beach in the Philippines.
Here is link to report and pic of woman wearing the offending bathing suit. It was definitely an itsy bitsy.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tourist-fined-wearing-tiny-bikini-195555772.htmlI'd pay the fine for her to keep it on!! WOW.
Tourist Fined for Wearing 'Tiny' Bikini on Popular Beach in the Philippines.
Here is link to report and pic of woman wearing the offending bathing suit. It was definitely an itsy bitsy.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tourist-fined-wearing-tiny-bikini-195555772.htmlI mean yeah, you wold probably get in trouble for that here, never mind the Philiipines. A little much.
Little Tony II
10-17-19, 21:09
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/10/17/north-reading-massage-therapist-rape-police-more-victims-daniel-feender-tai-chi-acupuncture-wellness-center/
WongMichael
10-25-19, 20:12
I guess he couldn't control his CHI.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/10/17/north-reading-massage-therapist-rape-police-more-victims-daniel-feender-tai-chi-acupuncture-wellness-center/
WongMichael
10-25-19, 20:13
Over here, fat and jealous moms would've blown up Twitter by now. In the Philippines, she probably got taken away and got beaten up already. India, they would've gang -you know what- on her.
I mean yeah, you wold probably get in trouble for that here, never mind the Philiipines. A little much.
MajorJohnson
11-03-19, 11:30
I guess he couldn't control his CHI.I once had a job giving massages at a high end all women's spa, I got fired after the first day of training. I guess the instructions to finish off on her face didn't mean what I though they meant!
https://whdh.com/news/tewksbury-woman-accused-of-running-prostitution-ring-inside-therapy-center/
TEWKSBURY, MASS. (WHDH) - A Tewksbury woman is facing charges for allegedly running a prostitution ring inside a therapy center.
Detectives conducting a nine-month investigation into sex trafficking and prostitution at TCM Therapy Center on Main Street arrested 34-year-old X***** O* on Thursday following a search of the business and O*’s home, according to Tewksbury police.
She is set to be arraigned Friday in Lowell District Court on charges of trafficking a person for sexual servitude, keeping a house of prostitution and deriving support from prostitution.
No additional information was immediately available.
DoubleDippin
11-13-19, 12:27
It's not rocket science to find out who got busted and where. Simply do a search on Massage Spa Busts (your city of choice).
Platinum in Norwell was busted in the spring and I question what has changed since then. I do know they have cameras in place.
Do your research on your fav location and you might surprise yourself.
Sinve Homeland Security, FBI, Ice and a few others banded together you favorites might be the next target so keep your eyes open.
TurnOverHoney
11-23-19, 01:52
It's not rocket science to find out who got busted and where. Simply do a search on Massage Spa Busts (your city of choice).
Platinum in Norwell was busted in the spring and I question what has changed since then. I do know they have cameras in place.
Do your research on your fav location and you might surprise yourself.
Sinve Homeland Security, FBI, Ice and a few others banded together you favorites might be the next target so keep your eyes open.Isn't there another one in Norwell with a table shower?
DoubleDippin
11-23-19, 09:37
Isn't there another one in Norwell with a table shower?Yes there is 2 spas in Norwell. Platinum I know had a camera setup which made me a little uneasy after seeing it.
It had a table shower. The other one I don't believe has a TS.
That one I didn't visit it just didn't appeal to me.
PewPewPewPew
11-25-19, 02:10
https://www.masslive.com/boston/2019/11/massachusetts-woman-accused-of-helping-run-prostitution-business-that-sent-women-as-far-as-florida.html
A Massachusetts woman is facing a federal charge after authorities say she helped run a prostitution ring that sent women as far as Florida to meet with clients.
https://www.masslive.com/boston/2019/11/massachusetts-woman-accused-of-helping-run-prostitution-business-that-sent-women-as-far-as-florida.htmlI'm sure they were forced and / or coerced into it, maybe even at the knife point.
TurnOverHoney
12-12-19, 20:45
Brockton is very dangerous. City. The state police are known to run over old ladies. It's all in a day's work for them.This guy was dealing fentanyl and cocaine with a GPS in the city of champions. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2019/10/29/cops-tracked-suspected-brockton-drug-dealer-through-his-gps-ankle-bracelet/amp/.
TurnOverHoney
12-12-19, 22:22
Yes there is 2 spas in Norwell. Platinum I know had a camera setup which made me a little uneasy after seeing it.
It had a table shower. The other one I don't believe has a TS.
That one I didn't visit it just didn't appeal to me.These places et cetera what I don't like is there has to be bigger players almost ordering the owners that inevitably get caught. The fact of the matter is the owners must be threatened or there lives are at stake. There's hundreds of thousands of dollars going around and being collected. So even though they know an undercover or Ci can walk in at any moment it doesn't matter. They made as much money as they could cops barely got any of it. By the time that one closes another one opens. At the end of the day.
Quite a few women are taken advantage and the owners are expendable. The people in Norwell are practically elderly.
This guy was dealing fentanyl and cocaine with a GPS in the city of champions. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2019/10/29/cops-tracked-suspected-brockton-drug-dealer-through-his-gps-ankle-bracelet/amp/.Quite simply, he is one s-t-u-p-i-d motherfucker. By the way!. Some years ago, I fucked a woman from Dorchester who I met on a party line, she had an ankle bracelet. Average looks, relatively skinny, and a LOOOOOOOT of tattoos. I don't know what made me follow through with fucking her but, I did it. Didn't go into asking why she an ankle braclet.
Trickster666
12-29-19, 22:46
LOL!
https://empirenews.net/supreme-court-finds-happy-endings-to-be-legitimate-massage-procedure/
LOL!
https://empirenews.net/supreme-court-finds-happy-endings-to-be-legitimate-massage-procedure/Heh, "The day of the free massage was the only time I ever saw Ruth smile”.
LOL!
https://empirenews.net/supreme-court-finds-happy-endings-to-be-legitimate-massage-procedure/Fake news?
Fake news?Ummm what about it does NOT sound fake? 7-3 vote? There are only 9 on the Court. "Witnesses" -- none at the Sup Ct.
Fake news?It's actually funny as hell.
Surprised this isn't from 'The Onion'.
Especially enjoyed the paragraph citing Clarence Thomas considering how the political opposition tried to paint him as a sexual pervert. If Happy Endings make a sexual pervert, where do I sign up?
Fake news?
OldtimerMa
02-02-20, 11:19
Finally, a reasonable article about AMPs and providers. It's super long though.
https://reason.com/2020/02/02/massage-parlor-panic/
BostonBoyBack
02-02-20, 21:45
Finally, a reasonable article about AMPs and providers. It's super long though.
https://reason.com/2020/02/02/massage-parlor-panic/Thank you for sharing. It is an interesting read.
Some people have too much time on their hands.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/02/26/metro/fbi-investigating-states-licensing-massage-therapists/
OldtimerMa
03-25-20, 13:10
Pornhub is donating 50,000 surgical masks to first responders in New York City and will make its premium content free for users for the next month.
‘Its important that we lend a hand’, their Vice President said in a published statement.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/489461-pornhub-donating-50000-masks-to-nyc-first-responders-making
JohnDick75
10-15-20, 19:18
I too got pretty close to a girl in Dover NH AMP, they didn't open until 10 a and I went by there everyday and learned which car was the mamasan, so I knew if she was there or not, I asked the girl if I could come at 8 or 9 so we could have sex with no rush or interruptions, she told me that there was a motion activated camera that the mamasan got a notification when someone entered, I asked if there were other cameras, any in the rooms and she said no, just at the front door. The mamasan showed the girl on her phone her first day there and showed all the girls that worked there that she was watching, keeping them honest. I think this is more common then we want to think about.That freaks me out because if police capture her and take her phone then all of those men's lives could be ruined if they take masseuses phone and problem is they don't care about getting exposed because there family is not watching news in China but if we get exposed our lives are ruined.
JohnDick75
10-15-20, 19:30
These days and with tech revolution, the girls working in spas even don't know that there are cameras in the room which they can't see. Forget about clients. Every move is recorded and can be used against girls or clients if need be. I guess how quickly we forgot Robert Kraft and Patriots saga! Regardless of legality on these matters, it is fact that we are watched once in parking lot till we leave. Few years back I spoke with this girl who used to work in Providence on Branch avenue in a studio. After she quit there, visited her at her own place and she told me that studio had cameras in each room and being watched for what services she provided clients. It was for how much she charged for each services and not to really watch client activities! Studio wanted to make sure that she was not giving out FS at cheap rate! Massage parlor girls / mamasun can say anything they want to clients. But it is being watched. In fact, I was going to meet this 35 year old woman in Pawtucket last year and casually asked her if she has camera in her apt and she said yes. Of course, I didn't go there. If we think that we are not being taped / watched then we are ALL fool (Including myself). Motels / hotels have cameras in parking lots / doors / hallways and so on as well. We can't hide anymore!.As I said on another post that is unbelievable selfish of the masseuses to place camera in the room because there security footage gets taken when they are arrested and they just provided LE and the with proof of the crime unless they cover up our faces which they probably don't it doesn't matter if they are watching the girls for how much they charge we the clients are still on film and them keeping film is terrible because when they get arrested doesn't matter because there family is in China so won't see the news but if our name is revealed then our family and bosses will know the only hope is we have is there may be too much men in the film to go after everyone but I worry that won't stop them from releasing montage on the evening news.
If any of you get arrested if the masseuse filmed you with sound the evidence is inadmissible and you can sue the masseuses civilly and since parlor have a lot of money they may settle quickly so stay safe everyone.
It's highly doubtful that closed Watertown places will reopen on Tuesday. But who knows.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/news/2021/07/connecticut-man-held-on-10000-bail-in-connection-with-alleged-westfield-based-sex-trafficking-ring.html%3foutputType=amp
PrinceNaveen
07-05-21, 00:14
It's highly doubtful that closed Watertown places will reopen on Tuesday. But who knows.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/news/2021/07/connecticut-man-held-on-10000-bail-in-connection-with-alleged-westfield-based-sex-trafficking-ring.html%3foutputType=ampWhy would anyone incriminate themselves?!
Why would anyone incriminate themselves?!People just get scared shitless.
Lot Lizard
07-05-21, 10:30
Why would anyone incriminate themselves?!Because lonely simps do stupid things?
It's highly doubtful that closed Watertown places will reopen on Tuesday. But who knows.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/news/2021/07/connecticut-man-held-on-10000-bail-in-connection-with-alleged-westfield-based-sex-trafficking-ring.html%3foutputType=ampWell that explains why the Highland St shop in Worcester is closed.
CrazyCrouton
07-18-21, 23:06
One interesting point is that not one guy mentioned on here that he was stopped and questioned going to any of these establishments. A heads up would have been nice.
One interesting point is that not one guy mentioned on here that he was stopped and questioned going to any of these establishments. A heads up would have been nice.This link has more info.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8107-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=5423546&viewfull=1#post5423546
Seems they may have only questioned folks going to the Westfield location.
Can't assume any of the folks stopped are on this site. Probably not since they opened their mouths.
But then again that could be all BS and the cops are just using that as an excuse for probable cause. Maybe never got anyone to admit anything.
This link has more info.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8107-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=5423546&viewfull=1#post5423546
Seems they may have only questioned folks going to the Westfield location.
Can't assume any of the folks stopped are on this site. Probably not since they opened their mouths.
But then again that could be all BS and the cops are just using that as an excuse for probable cause. Maybe never got anyone to admit anything.Question is what is truly up with 1 main. I have gotten some PM from info wanters only. One said after I stated I'm not going back that he was going that day to try. That was over a week ago and I sent him a PM if he went and crickets. I cannot see such a high profile spa after something like this just going back to FS with the sole exception of this being a came, LEO is in on it and just for show. That said I'd rather avoid a purp walk. There are a couple newer spas with limited and some say expanded menu plus the highly spoken if BTT is somewhere in that are most a two minute walk from each other how we're they affected.
CrazyCrouton
07-19-21, 11:01
Thanks man! The first rule of talking with law enforcement is say nothing to law enforcement.
AsianYumYum
09-02-21, 13:39
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A quick survey: do you consider it "an extra" when the provider tells you that you can do it yourself and nothing else is allowed? I mean, do you tip her if she just watches you jerking off? I am genuinely curious.
Mattis1775
02-03-22, 20:34
A quick survey: do you consider it "an extra" when the provider tells you that you can do it yourself and nothing else is allowed? I mean, do you tip her if she just watches you jerking off? I am genuinely curious.I've mentioned this before, a old hag wanted 80 for DIY. Granted, I gave 20 because she rubbed my balls (I actually put her hand there). But, I was irritated when she demanded more. I just said good night and kept walking towards the door.
Should you? I would give a small donation. Maybe the next time, she'll be a little more open. Without tipping, she may tell you to DIY while she waits outside.
I feel it's extra if she stays and no extra if she leaves.
I've mentioned this before, a old hag wanted 80 for DIY. Granted, I gave 20 because she rubbed my balls (I actually put her hand there). But, I was irritated when she demanded more. I just said good night and kept walking towards the door.
Should you? I would give a small donation. Maybe the next time, she'll be a little more open. Without tipping, she may tell you to DIY while she waits outside.
I feel it's extra if she stays and no extra if she leaves.80 just for watching you doing it? That's a bit excessive I think. But if she massaged you for the whole hour, that's at least a $30 tip just for massage and if you still feel like doing it yourself in her presence, that's another 20, I would say. So it comes to 50 in total.
I actually give 60 to Zoe in Watertown for exactly that. She is really cute and I kind of hope she would do more eventually but no luck so far.
A quick survey: do you consider it "an extra" when the provider tells you that you can do it yourself and nothing else is allowed? I mean, do you tip her if she just watches you jerking off? I am genuinely curious.I have been tipping 40 for a professional 90 minute massage with DIY while she rubs legs, inner thighs and plays with jewels. The tip always gets big smiles even though I would have tipped 30 just for massage.
I have been tipping 40 for a professional 90 minute massage with DIY while she rubs legs, inner thighs and plays with jewels. The tip always gets big smiles even though I would have tipped 30 just for massage.That sounds very reasonable. When people give 40 for a handy combined with one hour of high quality massage, the HJ is essentially only 20. Massage itself is worth tipping.
SalamanderFour
02-04-22, 19:00
I have been tipping 40 for a professional 90 minute massage with DIY while she rubs legs, inner thighs and plays with jewels. The tip always gets big smiles even though I would have tipped 30 just for massage.Luvinit,
Don't be coy, where is this place? A good diy place has value.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/tech/elon-musk-sexual-harassment-denies-allegations/index.html
"She accused Musk of exposing his erect penis to her, rubbing her leg without consent, and offering to buy her a horse in exchange for an erotic massage. ".
Not a bad offer. But perhaps she doesn't ride horses.
BZ in Belmont seems to have new everything including the website. A couple of excerpts.
"UNVEILING BLISSFUL SERENITY: DISCOVER THE HOLISTIC HAVEN OF RELAXATION.
Welcome to xxx, where the art of massage transcends the ordinary, creating a sanctuary of tranquility and well-being.
Join us as we explore the transformative experiences that await you, each crafted to elevate your journey to relaxation and rejuvenation."
And, "xxx is more than a massage studio; it is a sanctuary where soothing ambiance and expert care come together to create an oasis of tranquility."
It goes on, and on, and on.
Is this someone's joke or it's just a stupidity in its purest form.
Has anyone been there lately? Did you experience blissful serenity?
BZ in Belmont seems to have new everything including the website. A couple of excerpts.
"UNVEILING BLISSFUL SERENITY: DISCOVER THE HOLISTIC HAVEN OF RELAXATION.
Welcome to xxx, where the art of massage transcends the ordinary, creating a sanctuary of tranquility and well-being.
Join us as we explore the transformative experiences that await you, each crafted to elevate your journey to relaxation and rejuvenation."
And, "xxx is more than a massage studio; it is a sanctuary where soothing ambiance and expert care come together to create an oasis of tranquility."
It goes on, and on, and on.
Is this someone's joke or it's just a stupidity in its purest form.
Has anyone been there lately? Did you experience blissful serenity?I live in the area and I been there few times there months back. I had a reasonable good massage first time so when I went there again, the masseuse was different that day and was distracted to something on her phone during the whole session so I never went back there again. But I had no idea if they have anything beyond genuine massage, I never got any hint or asked about it. Plus it is in an area which in pretty busy on a busy road, so I never thought they would be doing anything like that. But who knows.
I live in the area and I been there few times there months back. I had a reasonable good massage first time so when I went there again, the masseuse was different that day and was distracted to something on her phone during the whole session so I never went back there again. But I had no idea if they have anything beyond genuine massage, I never got any hint or asked about it. Plus it is in an area which in pretty busy on a busy road, so I never thought they would be doing anything like that. But who knows.No blissful serenity for you, you say?
No blissful serenity for you, you say?Yes, no such vibe I got so I did not ask nor did they ask. So it was just a massage.
the masseuse was different that day and was distracted to something on her phone during the whole session That's the parlor's owner TT you were with during your second visit. She likes to be on the phone. A good-looking woman by the way.
"WASHINGTON, D. C. –.
The Supreme Court case of Ming's House of Pleasure v. The state of Maine has ruled in favor of Ming's in a shocking 7-3 vote. The Supreme Court of The United States has ruled that "happy endings" can be considered a legitimate massage procedure, and in no way should be considered prostitution.
"This case has been a court favorite for a while now," said Court reporter Luis DeJesus. "The Justices asked to hear testimony from all 15 of Ming's massage therapists. The early goings of the case did not look good for Ming, but the turning point of the case came when Ming offered the justices each a free massage. ".
"The day of the free massage was the only time I ever saw Ruth smile," said Ruth Ginsburg aide Sarah Nicole. "I knew the men would enjoy it, but who knew the old girl was a freak?
"The happy ending was a real pleasure," said Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I had my reservations, but once I experienced it, I had a change of heart. I can see how it's the perfect ending to a relaxing massage. To think this was considered prostitution is outrageous. Now that I've experienced it, I can't think of anything more natural than a good ol' fashioned to finish off a good deep tissue massage. ".
"Well, it's about time those old bastards finally got something right," said frequent Ming's patron Carmine Classi. "Now my wife can't give me hell when I go to Chinatown for a little release. Shit, now that it's legal and I don't have to worry about the cops busting in, I'll probably go 3 or 4 times a week instead of my usual 2. ".
Lieutenant
02-22-24, 16:58
"WASHINGTON, D. C. .
The Supreme Court case of Ming's House of Pleasure v. The state of Maine has ruled in favor of Ming's in a shocking 7-3 vote. The Supreme Court of The United States has ruled that "happy endings" can be considered a legitimate massage procedure, and in no way should be considered prostitution.
"This case has been a court favorite for a while now," said Court reporter Luis DeJesus. "The Justices asked to hear testimony from all 15 of Ming's massage therapists. The early goings of the case did not look good for Ming, but the turning point of the case came when Ming offered the justices each a free massage. ".
"The day of the free massage was the only time I ever saw Ruth smile," said Ruth Ginsburg aide Sarah Nicole. "I knew the men would enjoy it, but who knew the old girl was a freak?
"The happy ending was a real pleasure," said Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I had my reservations, but once I experienced it, I had a change of heart.Supreme Court Finds 'Happy Endings' To Be Legitimate Massage Procedure.
POSTED ON January 29, 2015 BY ABE ABRAMS.
https://empirenews.net/supreme-court-finds-happy-endings-to-be-legitimate-massage-procedure/
MaybeSometime
02-22-24, 19:35
"WASHINGTON, D. C. .
The Supreme Court case of Ming's House of Pleasure v. The state of Maine has ruled in favor of Ming's in a shocking 7-3 vote. The Supreme Court of The United States has ruled that "happy endings" can be considered a legitimate massage procedure, and in no way should be considered prostitution.
"This case has been a court favorite for a while now," said Court reporter Luis DeJesus. "The Justices asked to hear testimony from all 15 of Ming's massage therapists. The early goings of the case did not look good for Ming, but the turning point of the case came when Ming offered the justices each a free massage. ".
"The day of the free massage was the only time I ever saw Ruth smile," said Ruth Ginsburg aide Sarah Nicole. "I knew the men would enjoy it, but who knew the old girl was a freak?
"The happy ending was a real pleasure," said Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I had my reservations, but once I experienced it, I had a change of heart. I can see how it's the perfect ending to a relaxing massage. To think this was considered prostitution is outrageous. Now that I've experienced it, I can't think of anything more natural than a good ol' fashioned to finish off a good deep tissue massage. ".
"Well, it's about time those old bastards finally got something right," said frequent Ming's patron Carmine Classi. "Now my wife can't give me hell when I go to Chinatown for a little release. Shit, now that it's legal and I don't have to worry about the cops busting in, I'll probably go 3 or 4 times a week instead of my usual 2. ".To avoid confusion, this article is fake and was made as a joke.
To avoid confusion, this article is fake and was made as a joke.I think it's real and the old girl Ruth enjoyed it!
Trickster666
10-04-24, 11:46
They still talk about revealing the identities.
https://www.masslive.com/news/2024/09/woman-accused-of-running-cambridge-brothel-ring-to-plead-guilty-at-friday-hearing.html?outputType=amp
Not going to happen in my humble opinion.
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