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Sooo. What's been happening with the massage parlors lately? Anyone getting lucky? LOL.Some speculation about what might happen when and if it reopens. I'm stuck in Florida now (very different world here) but was up that way the week after the raids. I was dismayed that my fav. Place was closed after all these years.
But I would say when and if, God I hope when. When it reopens if it reopens with any lady I had been with before I would choose her, and act like I normally do in a session. Unlikely she would b working for the cops, so if she moved forward we would be safe. If she walked in on me naked and asked me to cover I would assume we were being watched or something and make no further attempt. The jacuzzi would be a great place to see if things have changed I think though.
Some speculation about what might happen when and if it reopens. I'm stuck in Florida now (very different world here) but was up that way the week after the raids. I was dismayed that my fav. Place was closed after all these years.
But I would say when and if, God I hope when. When it reopens if it reopens with any lady I had been with before I would choose her, and act like I normally do in a session. Unlikely she would b working for the cops, so if she moved forward we would be safe. If she walked in on me naked and asked me to cover I would assume we were being watched or something and make no further attempt. The jacuzzi would be a great place to see if things have changed I think though.I guess I should have let it be known that I was joking. I seriously doubt CLV, ERS or the Asian joints will re-open. Someone mentioned that this thread would dry up. Just trying to keep it alive. Just in case.
I was in the Belvidere area yesterday and drove by ERS & CLV. They are closed but then ERS website now says they "WILL be opening soon!" I am not giving up on them, have a feeling they will open.
I was in the Belvidere area yesterday and drove by ERS & CLV. They are closed but then ERS website now says they "WILL be opening soon!" I am not giving up on them, have a feeling they will open.The ERS website has said they will be opening soon since about 2 days after the bust. Originally for a couple days it said closed for plumbing problems. Based on what the local government officials have said in the news I would not count on them reopening, or if they do it will be a totally different experience.
Keeping the thread alive and I apologize to everyone. Every time I see a new post under this thread I get excited that there may be good news. So, I apologize for doing the same to you.
Fifi at ROM was very good and she left the first week of August, but was slated to come back the third week of September. The bust happened just before she was due to come back. I.
Was getting very excited as her return date came closer because she was younger and very attractive, and she gave a great massage. Now, I'll probably never know where she is, and to.
Where she has moved on to. As usual, though the circumstances may be different, they always disappear eventually without a trace. And, Susan was just a great provider because her attitude and skills were fantastic.
Peter North 9
10-13-16, 07:26
I was in the Belvidere area yesterday and drove by ERS & CLV. They are closed but then ERS website now says they "WILL be opening soon!" I am not giving up on them, have a feeling they will open.I guess if we start seeing a few of the girls showing up on Backpage, we will know it is over. There are a few girls who probably would do well as indy's, like Sophia. She has been around a while and had a lot of regulars. I would at least try her as an indy and see what it was like. I could also see Dawn too doing well.
I guess if we start seeing a few of the girls showing up on Backpage, we will know it is over. There are a few girls who probably would do well as indy's, like Sophia. She has been around a while and had a lot of regulars. I would at least try her as an indy and see what it was like. I could also see Dawn too doing well.For the most part, I think the girls there wouldn't be BP material. Too classy. Some, maybe, but not all. They knew how to tease and please to a certain extent. But doubt most would stoop to BP level. But I have been wrong in the past, so who knows.
Stinkys 2 cents.
For the most part, I think the girls there wouldn't be BP material. Too classy. Some, maybe, but not all. They knew how to tease and please to a certain extent. But doubt most would stoop to BP level. But I have been wrong in the past, so who knows.
Stinkys 2 cents.I kind of agree, although money, or rather lack of it may make a difference. Hopefully, if any of them use BP, they will be careful.
Last week I called and the older lady that is always at the desk answered and said not yet call back in a week or check the web site. I hope they reopen as I've been going there for over ten years. I remember Joy working there and then getting fired for breaking the rules. I remember when Dawn only worked at the front desk, and then when she went to the back, I've been seeing her every month since then. A lot of fun times with her, I hope they reopen soon as I'm itching for a Dawn fix.
BigLittleHead
10-19-16, 12:48
Anyone here willing to travel to S / E Wisconsin for that experience?
Theres at least 1 or 2 former attendants that will be migrating north soon.
Those same services would be available to SR. Board members, pvt msg me if interested.
Last week I called and the older lady that is always at the desk answered and said not yet call back in a week or check the web site. I hope they reopen as I've been going there for over ten years. I remember Joy working there and then getting fired for breaking the rules. I remember when Dawn only worked at the front desk, and then when she went to the back, I've been seeing her every month since then. A lot of fun times with her, I hope they reopen soon as I'm itching for a Dawn fix.Agreed. Dawn is awesome.
BigLittleHead
10-19-16, 22:25
Agreed. Dawn is awesome.Agreed. I miss dawn. And Nina, of course.
HoneyTai21
10-26-16, 04:45
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ChicagoScott
11-03-16, 14:42
Heading through next week & was just wondering if they've re-opened. I'm assuming they haven't based on the ERS website.
Heading through next week & was just wondering if they've re-opened. I'm assuming they haven't based on the ERS website.Not that I know of. Doubt they will be based on Local Leader comments. But best way to know is to call. All phone numbers can be found in Google.
Not that I know of. Doubt they will be based on Local Leader comments. But best way to know is to call. All phone numbers can be found in Google.I called numerous times, it says mailbox full all the time. I'd say after a month and a half they are done, the women that worked there are long since out of cash with the fines and lawyer fees. The ERS website is only getting updated for the schedule and there is no other news from Belvedere, Backpage or otherwise.
DMichaels69
11-04-16, 09:07
Time to move on guys.
I called numerous times, it says mailbox full all the time. I'd say after a month and a half they are done, the women that worked there are long since out of cash with the fines and lawyer fees. The ERS website is only getting updated for the schedule and there is no other news from Belvedere, Backpage or otherwise.
Time to move on guys.Yeah, no need to ask here if things are back open any more. If ERS does figure a way to open back up, someone will post about it.
Well well well, now I wonder why they decided to all of a sudden "clean up this city".
Maybe here's your reason;.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20161005/fiat-chrysler-supplier-to-bring-400-jobs-to-belvidere
BigCock8020
11-11-16, 17:06
Who do you normally see? I would like to know so when they open up I can check them out.
Rub Me Right
11-14-16, 14:41
I used to always visit ERS after a disappointing Bears loss, a late Sunday afternoon session with Nina or Laura always took the sting out of a disappointing performance, and now, nothing.
Who do you normally see? I would like to know so when they open up I can check them out.Unless you've been living under a rock you'd know they are all closed. No streetwalkers, no backpage girls no massage parlors Nothing! Now with only one post and asking for names, you know who you sound like? You only get one guess.
I used to always visit ERS after a disappointing Bears loss, a late Sunday afternoon session with Nina or Laura always took the sting out of a disappointing performance, and now, nothing.Well in your case it's probably a good thing they're closed- at least with regards to your wallet. The Bears are absolutely awful- good grief they're bad. Who loses by 26 to Tampa Bay? Ugh! Unfortunately, I don't see them getting better anytime soon so you'd be spending most Sundays there- both this year & in the future haha!
Biscuit123
11-15-16, 15:44
I busted my cherry ERS. Which eventually lead me to upgrade my hobby experience. But every once in a while I always went back to ERS or c'est la vie. Dawn and Jenna where my favorites.
The obnoxious AMP signs, tourist visas, and whatever else they were doing there caused the problem.
ERS is a victim, think hard about what you post here unless you want to be subpoenaed.
Fuck I get tired of this, I need to save it as a file sometime so that I can copy and paste it.
Yes you have been a member for a long time, thanks, but you don't post and when you can be bothered to post you tell guys not to post, so I'm not really worried about pissing you off.
Subpoenas; Subpoena who? The servers? They are in Germany. If some DA in Illinois wrote them and said "we want the data." Ok, they would respond "Vell dots nice dat chew vond id bud do chew hab a subena?" In Germany it's not against the law for chicks to sell pussy nor is it against the law to advertise about pussy so they aren't giving up shit without a subpoena, a subpoena served under the Hague Conventions. Now, once they go to the ridiculous expense and have that if they can get one and we turn over ALL the data what do they have? They have what's posted here (already public) and an email address. They don't have you AND everything you post here is hearsay so it's not admissible unless they can PROVE that you John J Whatever is Pluto2 because who the fuck is Pluto2? I don't know, I have no idea who you are, posted it. Any information on an interactive web site needs to be authenticated before it can be used against a person. Generally the operators of the web site would do that but we can't. Why can't we? Again, I have no fucking idea who any of you guys are and that's not an accident.
All that being said it's probably not a good idea to fuck some hooker with the USASG open and logged in on your phone. But that would be you handing it to them not them finding it.
A2
The answer to all your questions is "Who Knows? Everyday that goes by makes you think it is over. If the city, county, and state really want these places to go away, they have a host of ways they could do it. All depends on how much time and resources they want to put to the task. Then again, they may re-open this week. But how many mongers are going to stick their neck out and walk in an ERS or CLV when they reopen? Take the risk of having your mugshot and name posted all over the internet? I know there is a lot of tough talk on this board, but really, do you want to be in that position?
Too bad too. The women there were just trying to make a living just like everyone else.Pretty sure that if a business was not breaking the law and in compliance with code, it will be hard to keep them closed.
The AMPs are likely outside the law.
The obnoxious AMP signs, tourist visas, and whatever else they were doing there caused the problem.
ERS is a victim, think hard about what you post here unless you want to be subpoenaed.Admin has explained many times that there servers and your private information is not in a country that can be subject to any US jurisdiction. I am sure that Admin can go into more detail.
Admin has explained many times that there servers and your private information is not in a country that can be subject to any US jurisdiction. I am sure that Admin can go into more detail.It appears that they did.
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I really tried, some guys are hard headed. Not a great loss, 70 posts in 12 years comes to 1 post every two months most of them telling guys not to post.
A2
RobStertag
11-18-16, 20:08
So today while driving by ERS, saw way more cars out front than normal for the last few weeks. Also saw that big white Pickup with the Wisc plates that typically parks right in front of the door. As I slowed, I could see thru the tinted door that a couple of lights were on. Website has a different message. Rather than "opening soon" it said something more like. Working really hard to save our business and reopen. So maybe. The AMPs and CLV were dark dark. Might be an interesting time heading out on the ice and hoping it is safe and as fun of fishing spot as it had been a few months ago.
"Subpoenas; Subpoena who? The servers? They are in Germany. If some the in Illinois wrote them and said "we want the data. " Ok, they would respond "Vell dots nice that chew vond I'd bud do chew hab a subena?
Oh god I read that and almost fell off my chair and lost my cookies. That was great! That made my day.
As soon as the AMP's moved in right on Main St. The established (ERS & CLV) should have predicted the end was near.
There is a time and place for everything-flashing "Massage" signs right on the main thoroughfare is an embarrassment to LEO and the general public-eventually someone is going to make a stand.
ERS was just a great place to relax-hopefully they will open again-but at a different location and hopefully soon.
Just my opinion.
So today while driving by ERS, saw way more cars out front than normal for the last few weeks. Also saw that big white Pickup with the Wisc plates that typically parks right in front of the door. As I slowed, I could see thru the tinted door that a couple of lights were on. Website has a different message. Rather than "opening soon" it said something more like. Working really hard to save our business and reopen. So maybe. The AMPs and CLV were dark dark. Might be an interesting time heading out on the ice and hoping it is safe and as fun of fishing spot as it had been a few months ago.
Thencame Brnsn
11-19-16, 17:37
As a long-time user of the Art of Massage nationwide, but particular in Michigan City Westward through MIL / Madison (since approx 1976), I would just like to add my history of these businesses. Back around early 80's, there was a few places in Rockford (Golden Hands was my favorite, when they were open in daytime) as well as Belvedere. Around late 81, early 82 Belvedere tightened things up for a while just like now. Didn't shut places down per se; however there was no finish available at either place, just massages, a bit of tease, then the horrible line we all hate "times up, thank you!" C'est before that time as a tad looser with rules, just hand but more roaming (but did not have showers available). ERS was no different than things were before the recent LEO involvement. Any other longtime hobbyists remember it my way? Good luck to all "out west. " Hopefully all works out and things get back to normal in Beautiful Downtown Belvedere!
TB out.
Admin has explained many times that there servers and your private information is not in a country that can be subject to any US jurisdiction. I am sure that Admin can go into more detail.This is another thing and it's not an accident. What private information? This is what we have, your posts, which are already public, and your email address.
If, and this is a big fucking if, they ever got all the way to getting me on a witness stand in the US, very fucking doubtful, this would be me spilling my guys
Prostitutor: Are you the admin of the USASG
Me: Yes sir
Prostitutor: Who is Steve4100?
Me: I dunno
Prostitutor: Do you mean to tell us you have no way of identifying your members?
Me: Yes sir. Oh wait, he likes fat chicks that can fart with their pussies. So if you find some guy pumping air into a fat chicks pussy holding a tape recorder that might be him.
That's kinda it.
A2
This is another thing and it's not an accident. What private information? This is what we have, your posts, which are already public, and your email address.
If, and this is a big fucking if, they ever got all the way to getting me on a witness stand in the US, very fucking doubtful, this would be me spilling my guys
Prostitutor: Are you the admin of the USASG
Me: Yes sir
Prostitutor: Who is Steve4100?
Me: I dunno
Prostitutor: Do you mean to tell us you have no way of identifying your members?
Me: Yes sir. Oh wait, he likes fat chicks that can fart with their pussies. So if you find some guy pumping air into a fat chicks pussy holding a tape recorder that might be him.
That's kinda it.
A2Wow how did you know. All my secrets are now out in public. Guess I will have to find other fetishes. RLOL! . And girls that can fart though their pussy are tough to find. LOL
Thanks A2 for the best laugh that I've had in ages.
This is another thing and it's not an accident. What private information? This is what we have, your posts, which are already public, and your email address.
If, and this is a big fucking if, they ever got all the way to getting me on a witness stand in the US, very fucking doubtful, this would be me spilling my guys
Prostitutor: Are you the admin of the USASG
Me: Yes sir
Prostitutor: Who is Steve4100?
Me: I dunno
Prostitutor: Do you mean to tell us you have no way of identifying your members?
Me: Yes sir. Oh wait, he likes fat chicks that can fart with their pussies. So if you find some guy pumping air into a fat chicks pussy holding a tape recorder that might be him.
That's kinda it.
A2
Peter North 9
11-20-16, 22:36
If you check the website, they are now looking for donations to pay their legal bills. They also have taken the schedules down; they were keeping them up to date up until now. Looks like the government has their claws in pretty deep.
PN9.
DMichaels69
11-20-16, 22:50
Guys they won't be back. Move along down the interstate to new adventures.
If you check the website, they are now looking for donations to pay their legal bills. They also have taken the schedules down; they were keeping them up to date up until now. Looks like the government has their claws in pretty deep.
PN9.
BrewCityGuy
11-20-16, 23:18
If you check the website, they are now looking for donations to pay their legal bills. They also have taken the schedules down; they were keeping them up to date up until now. Looks like the government has their claws in pretty deep.
PN9.Even if they did re-open, I'm sure they would get a less than favorable reception from the community. They would have to relocate and given their legal troubles I doubt a landlord would allow them to sign a lease.
I think the chances of them making it through this and coming out operating on the other side is slim, but that said, wouldn't you think their fund raiser should have some incentives?
Donate $150 get your first session free.
Donate $500 and get first five sessions free.
Donate $2500 get half off sessions for first year.
Donate $5000 VIP for life.
I am not saying those are the right ones, but some type of carrot hung out there would likely greatly improve donations.
ChicagoCat99
11-30-16, 02:06
ERS is closed, but CLV is still open.
Is this correct?
ERS is closed, but CLV is still open.
Is this correct?CLV is not open. Belvidere is still shutdown. Will ERS or CLV ever open again? Doesn't look good.
ERS is closed, but CLV is still open.
Is this correct?That's right, Brad. You have REALLY been paying attention. If you go to CLV between noon and 12:30, mention Big Barb and you'll get half off you're total package.
Isn't that right Senior members?
Stinky Laughing Up His Sleeve.
ERS is closed, but CLV is still open.
Is this correct?Call CLV, I think you will be surprised, and not pleasantly. Laughing with Stinky.
TheBoobHound
11-30-16, 22:56
Just read about the Belvidere shutdown.
I don't live anywhere near Belvidere or Illinois. Still, ever since I first drove through about 8 years ago, I was sure to make a stop any time I was nearby. ERS (and CLV) were special places and offered an experience that's really hard to find.
Truly a dark day.
Biscuit123
12-01-16, 02:30
Any one know where the girls landed. They're is a few I would to get full service from. Pm me with any details.
Any one know where the girls landed. They're is a few I would to get full service from. Pm me with any details.I'm kind of amazed at the utter laziness or just lack of smarts of one of our members. (By the way this is not directed at you Biscuit I just replied to the latest post) How could anyone think that ANY place was open in Belvidere right now. Every post, and I do mean every post in this section has been talking solely about the same topic- the topic of the year in the Belvidere section- all of the places in Belvidere are closed. There hasn't been one post that has said, "good news such and such is now open". So I'm kind of at a loss as to where the confusion would come from.
Not trying to pile on and I'm not going to call the member out specifically, but man make an effort- read like at least a few posts before you write something that off base. Okay end of rant.
ChicagoCat99
12-01-16, 12:11
Thank you very much for info.
But, let me tell you one thing.
Not everyone spend hours here.
And, I am not understanding abbreviation or figurative language.
For example, I do not know what uncle joe or LEO means.
Just yes or no would be greatly appreciated.
Member #5403
12-01-16, 15:20
I think the chances of them making it through this and coming out operating on the other side is slim, but that said, wouldn't you think their fund raiser should have some incentives?
Donate $150 get your first session free.
Donate $500 and get first five sessions free.
Donate $2500 get half off sessions for first year.
Donate $5000 VIP for life.
I am not saying those are the right ones, but some type of carrot hung out there would likely greatly improve donations.This is what they need to do. I would gladly donate then.
Rocket Dork
12-01-16, 17:24
Thank you very much for info.
But, let me tell you one thing.
Not everyone spend hours here.
And, I am not understanding abbreviation or figurative language.
For example, I do not know what uncle joe or LEO means.
Just yes or no would be greatly appreciated.Look at top of page for abbreviations. That will help you with the terms. Rocket Dork.
Thank you very much for info.
But, let me tell you one thing.
Not everyone spend hours here.
.Look bud, you don't have to spend hours here, just a few minutes and read a few pages unless it takes you hours to read just one page.
Thank you very much for info.
But, let me tell you one thing.
Not everyone spend hours here.
And, I am not understanding abbreviation or figurative language.
For example, I do not know what uncle joe or LEO means.
Just yes or no would be greatly appreciated.I would say that's a major exaggeration. It doesn't take hours to go through a page or two of posts that are no more than a paragraph long. When I started I just read the forum, got familiar with it and didn't post anything for a long time. If you and other newbies are going to be that lazy I wouldn't expect a lot of help from the senior members on here. Instead try to add value to the forum by posting actual reviews of your experiences instead of asking certain questions like, Is such and such open yet? I mean besides just scrolling down and reading a page or two on here- you have a phone you could have called them up or you could have googled their website too. Another common mistake new members ask, How is such and such spa?
A lot of good info is on here and is right in front of you. Before the internet there was no forum we just had to find out for ourselves. This forum is great. If I want to learn about a place I'll research it first. And it doesn't take hours to do this. It's not a college paper. If I don't see anything then I'll ask. Anyway that's my advice.
DMichaels69
12-03-16, 13:07
All the good places I've found were very discovered by getting in my car and going to try them.
I would say that's a major exaggeration. It doesn't take hours to go through a page or two of posts that are no more than a paragraph long. When I started I just read the forum, got familiar with it and didn't post anything for a long time. If you and other newbies are going to be that lazy I wouldn't expect a lot of help from the senior members on here. Instead try to add value to the forum by posting actual reviews of your experiences instead of asking certain questions like, Is such and such open yet? I mean besides just scrolling down and reading a page or two on here- you have a phone you could have called them up or you could have googled their website too. Another common mistake new members ask, How is such and such spa?
A lot of good info is on here and is right in front of you. Before the internet there was no forum we just had to find out for ourselves. This forum is great. If I want to learn about a place I'll research it first. And it doesn't take hours to do this. It's not a college paper. If I don't see anything then I'll ask. Anyway that's my advice.
Head First
12-03-16, 19:56
Both of my thumbs are pointing up for both of these comments. Speaking of thumbs, a good rule of thumb to follow is at least get familiar with the fundamentals and basics. Don't ask a lot of questions and 'contribute' as much and wherever you can. I was a lurker for a long time which helped me learn the ropes.
All the good places I've found were very discovered by getting in my car and going to try them.I would say that's a major exaggeration. It doesn't take hours to go through a page or two of posts that are no more than a paragraph long. When I started I just read the forum, got familiar with it and didn't post anything for a long time. If you and other newbies are going to be that lazy I wouldn't expect a lot of help from the senior members on here. Instead try to add value to the forum by posting actual reviews of your experiences instead of asking certain questions like, Is such and such open yet? I mean besides just scrolling down and reading a page or two on here- you have a phone you could have called them up or you could have googled their website too. Another common mistake new members ask, How is such and such spa?
A lot of good info is on here and is right in front of you. Before the internet there was no forum we just had to find out for ourselves. This forum is great. If I want to learn about a place I'll research it first. And it doesn't take hours to do this. It's not a college paper. If I don't see anything then I'll ask. Anyway that's my advice.
All the good places I've found were very discovered by getting in my car and going to try them.I agree. I found these places years ago before the Internet. Yellow pages and word of mouth. I think it was more fun that way. I found ERS and CLV in the yellow pages, sucked it up and walked in. It was a great time.
IllinoisMan
12-05-16, 10:19
I agree. I found these places years ago before the Internet. Yellow pages and word of mouth. I think it was more fun that way. I found ERS and CLV in the yellow pages, sucked it up and walked in. It was a great time.I agree with Roy. By the way, if anyone knows where some of the Ers ladies went, please pm me. I'll try to reciprocate with some.
Useful info.
Gutenberg469
12-05-16, 15:39
I agree. I found these places years ago before the Internet. Yellow pages and word of mouth. I think it was more fun that way. I found ERS and CLV in the yellow pages, sucked it up and walked in. It was a great time.Yes, that's how I found out about belvidere as well. Yellow pages in a downtown hotel 20+ years ago. I also found quite a few good girls when they could advertise in the "services" section of newspapers under "massage". Also found a few in the private ad section of gentlemens pages; that was also some time ago. Good old days.
Peter North 9
12-06-16, 22:14
I agree with Roy. By the way, if anyone knows where some of the Ers ladies went, please pm me. I'll try to reciprocate with some.
Useful info.I would think the ladies are laying low with the investigations still apparently going on (owner looking for donations to his legal fund). Last thing they would need is to get busted right now. I mean sure, I would love to see Sophia again, but I have pretty much moved on. I will admit I have not moved on to much of anything, tried a few here and there but nothing worth wanting to repeat.
There's been a lot of speculation about whether the massage parlours will reopen or not. I'm in the 'not' camp myself, and I think this little incident did not help the case for letting them reopen.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20161207/belvidere-massage-parlor-continued-operating-after-judge-ordered-it-closed
For all his talk about helping out his employees, you'd think this guy would have the common sense to lay low and give officialdom a chance to cool down before trying to get back in business. Most likely outcome of this is he just made it nearly impossible for the city to leave him a loophole to use to reopen.
There's been a lot of speculation about whether the massage parlours will reopen or not. I'm in the 'not' camp myself, and I think this little incident did not help the case for letting them reopen.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20161207/belvidere-massage-parlor-continued-operating-after-judge-ordered-it-closed
For all his talk about helping out his employees, you'd think this guy would have the common sense to lay low and give officialdom a chance to cool down before trying to get back in business. Most likely outcome of this is he just made it nearly impossible for the city to leave him a loophole to use to reopen.I am with you on this one. He is an idiot to play around and open. Risk to himself and the girls. I am sure they all need money, but it may be time to look for a legit job. No chance that any of these places reopen in Belvidere. Sad ending for many of us and the girls who worked there. Still have to think the Lingerie shops in Rockford are next on the agenda and unfortunately they are endangered operations. But not to worry the murder rate is up in Rockford.
Peter North 9
12-09-16, 09:59
There's been a lot of speculation about whether the massage parlours will reopen or not. I'm in the 'not' camp myself, and I think this little incident did not help the case for letting them reopen.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20161207/belvidere-massage-parlor-continued-operating-after-judge-ordered-it-closed
For all his talk about helping out his employees, you'd think this guy would have the common sense to lay low and give officialdom a chance to cool down before trying to get back in business. Most likely outcome of this is he just made it nearly impossible for the city to leave him a loophole to use to reopen.You don't poke LE in the eye like this guy did. It's over for sure now, and we now know why he needs the 50 K. On a side note, Dawn is 50 years old? Wow, there are women half her age who wish they had a body like hers.
PN9.
Two things about this story amaze me. The first is the guy is the only one looking at a felony charge. Yet he decided to violate a court order with his "creative" theory to try to reopen. That didn't work out to well. There is a new County Attorney who is female. I'm sure she is looking for a trophy to hang from the wall. If I was in this situation my concern would be trying to avoid being a guest of the state of Illinois.
The second is if you were lucky enough not to be working when the place went down, why would you go back there to work? Multiple eyes would be on the place and most clients would avoid it. I get that you need the money but you have just seen several of your former coworkers real names and photos in the media. Some clearly decided the risk was worth taking.
These places are toast. Belvidere is looking at starting to license businesses, they don't currently do that. They can come up with all kinds of stipulations to restrict this type of business. Well it was fun while it lasted. Have some great memories.
Sam Singer
12-10-16, 17:33
There's been a lot of speculation about whether the massage parlours will reopen or not. I'm in the 'not' camp myself, and I think this little incident did not help the case for letting them reopen.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20161207/belvidere-massage-parlor-continued-operating-after-judge-ordered-it-closed
For all his talk about helping out his employees, you'd think this guy would have the common sense to lay low and give officialdom a chance to cool down before trying to get back in business. Most likely outcome of this is he just made it nearly impossible for the city to leave him a loophole to use to reopen.In a court of law, logic and rationality are supposed to prevail. For the general interest of the community, someone should file a public interest motion with the appropriate court to get answers to these questions. It might dig up some interesting facts and background story on the nexus between business and politics in that town.
1. Do you have evidence that there operations were harmful to the community?
2. You say their crime is not a victim less crime. Who are the victims and are they going to testify?
3. This business has been in operation for 40 years. When do you come to know they were harmful to the community?
4. For all these years who were hiding the facts about their victimizing operations? Can those victims seek justice and compensation from the city for not doing anything for 40 years?
someone should file a public interest motion with the appropriate court to get answers to these questions.
1. Do you have evidence that there operations were harmful to the community?
2. You say their crime is not a victim less crime. Who are the victims and are they going to testify?
3. This business has been in operation for 40 years. When do you come to know they were harmful to the community?
4. For all these years who were hiding the facts about their victimizing operations? Can those victims seek justice and compensation from the city for not doing anything for 40 years?Here, let me help you with the answers because if you think your questions and your answers your looking for are going to do anything in this case to re-open, I got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you;.
Here we go;.
Answer to, #1) "Oh yes your honor there were little girls peeking in the doorway honest your honor, I really saw them".
Answer to #2) "Oh your honor they would like to testify but they are so traumatized they just can't speek, so we should move forward with the Business Licensing Law and we won't be issuing any Massage parlor or similar heath license".
Answer to #3) "Your Honor as we stated publically, we have tried in the past with raids but due to the increase in other asian style parlors and possible human trafficking It is best for the community to go forward with the licensing clause at this time".
And finally.
Answer to #4) "Your honor, due to the change in ownership at ERS the business plan "MUST" have altered from it's type from the previous owner (begins with a K) and this plan now in use has been lax to the present rules and laws, as evidenced by the present attempt at re-opening".
There; now try and drive a truck through that bullettproofing.
Before after the first bust, there might be some slim chance. But now you can pretty much forget all of it. That guys got an increased bond from 20 k up to 50 k and he's up against 3 felonies. He's got a prison now to try and stay out of. Any more movement at ERS and he will for sure be sent away for a very long long time.
You can now reminisce about the good times and nice looking ladies, because they are now for sure all gone. Along with absolutely anything else in Belvedere. Only thing there now is a Chrysler plant.
Bignice out.
ChicagoCat99
12-11-16, 03:21
My apology, guys.
I can read English, but it would be 10 times slower than you.
I can read Korean 100 times faster.
So, where can I go?
Any recommendation until ERS opens?
ChicagoCat99
12-11-16, 03:23
By the way, this is why we have to have emergency fund and savings all the time.
I think owners re-open the shop again and again since he does not have any fund left.
I think owners re-open the shop again and again since he does not have any fund left.This makes absolutely no sense to me at all. What are you trying to say?
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My apology, guys.
I can read English, but it would be 10 times slower than you.
I can read Korean 100 times faster.
So, where can I go?
Any recommendation until ERS opens?Well, Brad, you can go to a very hot places that has people in red suits dancing around. That's a joke.
I have no idea what you're trying for here. CLV and ERS will NOT be re-opening in Belvidere, period. If you take the timeTo read the forum, and evidently you don't, you would know the city has done everything it can to prevent "spas" or "massage Parlors" or "lingerie modeling shops" from opening again. Maybe you don't feel the need to read the forum. Or maybe you're a 'cousin' of uncle LEO fishing for information. In either case, find a new hobby.
Stinky Tired of Brad.
My apology, guys.
I can read English, but it would be 10 times slower than you.
I can read Korean 100 times faster.
So, where can I go?
Any recommendation until ERS opens?You can obviously read some English so I would suggest you spend the time. If you had spent the time reading that you have spent asking for answers you would already know the answer, even if you do read slowly. Try reading the Rockford forums or other areas of Illinois. The answers are there. And my other suggestion is stop asking here, the guys have had enough, at least until you give back some valuable information and experiences. Good luck.
Oh I checked your 20 posts. 19 are basically asking for information or useless comments. 1, maybe 1 actually gave some information. And I am being generous. This forum is a 2 way street and most of us want to see newbies earn their way.
Liz who used to work in Belviderese is now working over in Rockford at Chantilly Lace. Full service si now available although the prices have now raised from what they have been. Either that or she is asking more tha customary.
Liz who used to work in Belviderese is now working over in Rockford at Chantilly Lace. Full service si now available although the prices have now raised from what they have been. Either that or she is asking more tha customary.Is that 'the customary' that she was getting while working in Belvidere, or is 'the customary' for CL?
DMichaels69
12-13-16, 10:34
My understanding is ERS was Level place with a jacuzzi.
Is that 'the customary' that she was getting while working in Belvidere, or is 'the customary' for CL?
My understanding is ERS was Level place with a jacuzzi.What I was asking about was whether the donation asked for was over what's normal for CL. I know their 'customary' rate, and if there's a woman working there who expects significantly more, she won't be getting my business.
Biscuit123
12-14-16, 19:41
What I was asking about was whether the donation asked for was over what's normal for CL. I know their 'customary' rate, and if there's a woman working there who expects significantly more, she won't be getting my business.When is Dawn, Sophia, Jenna and Terry coming over to CL. That's who I'm waiting for.
Rocket Dork
12-14-16, 20:18
When is Dawn, Sophia, Jenna and Terry coming over to CL. That's who I'm waiting for.I would love to see Sophia at CL. Rocket dork.
When is Dawn, Sophia, Jenna and Terry coming over to CL. That's who I'm waiting for.You bet! CL's business would sure pick up in a hurry!
The idea of the mentioned women working at CL would be a dream come true. I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I believe that Dawn, Sophia and Jennah made enough money to have their own nest eggs. I have hope that they pop up as independents if they haven't left the industry. It is sad that we had a great thing for 40 years and it is gone.
DMichaels69
12-15-16, 19:24
Was the older lady (looked in her 60's) in the original news report about the bust one of these ladies?
When is Dawn, Sophia, Jenna and Terry coming over to CL. That's who I'm waiting for.
RattleHead
12-16-16, 04:11
Liz who used to work in Belviderese is now working over in Rockford at Chantilly Lace. Full service si now available although the prices have now raised from what they have been. Either that or she is asking more tha customary.Many years ago, I went to Kelly's Boutique a couple of times. That was the only Rockford LS that I've ever been in. Now that I'm hearing that Liz from ERS, is at Chantilly Lace, I'm thinking of checking the place out. Rob, if I may ask, how much was Liz asking for a donation? If it isn't too much, I'd like to stop down there and see her. The last two times I was at ERS, I saw her.
The idea of the mentioned women working at CL would be a dream come true. I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I believe that Dawn, Sophia and Jennah made enough money to have their own nest eggs. I have hope that they pop up as independents if they haven't left the industry. It is sad that we had a great thing for 40 years and it is gone.Dawn came late to the biz, being solely on desk duty for many years. She often joked that she'd have long been retired had she started out as a massage therapist right from the get-go. As others have suggested, Dawn (even at 50!) would do well whether at CL, ELB, or as an independent.
Someone, name isn't important, who worked at the Executive told me a funny story about CL. She started working at CL when she was 19 or so. Said she was never told exactly how the place worked. Very well built young lady. So she was popular and guys were picking her. She didn't deliver what they expected and were pissed.
Finally another lady explained to her how the place worked. She said she was surprised to put it mildly. Did the first two levels of service, for a while, but never the last. Moved to Belvidere for a number of years. Told me her favorite bar in her hometown, western Illinois, but I never made it there. Was that a hint? .
Dawn came late to the biz, being solely on desk duty for many years. She often joked that she'd have long been retired had she started out as a massage therapist right from the get-go. As others have suggested, Dawn (even at 50!) would do well whether at CL, ELB, or as an independent.Yes, Dawn originally worked the desk way back when ERS was in Genoa, so think back on long ago that occurred. She is a very nice lady and was always a lot of fun. I will miss the fun times that I had at ERS.
Peter North 9
12-17-16, 08:37
The idea of the mentioned women working at CL would be a dream come true. I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I believe that Dawn, Sophia and Jennah made enough money to have their own nest eggs. I have hope that they pop up as independents if they haven't left the industry. It is sad that we had a great thing for 40 years and it is gone.Highly doubt the ladies you mentioned have nest eggs. All had very sweet rides that brought attention to themselves. Also through conversation heard about their homes and nice vacation trips they would go on. I think these three have husbands or sugar daddies, so most likely are not struggling as much as the single moms who worked there. Those three are also the older ones, don't see them willing to perform the level of service required of a CL girl.
PN9.
Yes, Dawn originally worked the desk way back when ERS was in Genoa, so think back on long ago that occurred. She is a very nice lady and was always a lot of fun. I will miss the fun times that I had at ERS.Dawn was my favorite, been seeing her for over five years, once a month. She is a my ATF.
Yes, Dawn originally worked the desk way back when ERS was in Genoa, so think back on long ago that occurred..1989, then moved to Belvedere when K bought the building.
1989, then moved to Belvedere when K bought the building.Now I really feel old! 1989? I was never at the Genoa place, but I remember Dawn working the desk in Belvidere back then. She must have only been in her early 20's. Used to tease her all the time about giving me a session. Then a few years ago I called to see who was working and the girl at the desk rattled off some names and Dawn was one of them. Couldn't believe my ears. I made an appointment with her and was pretty nervous about how things would go, because I had known her for so long as the desk girl. Got to the room, laughed our butts off and had a great time. She made the transition really well. I hope her and the rest of the girls are doing OK.
Rainman5000
12-18-16, 13:27
I am now starting to highly doubt if ERS will ever reopen and also how much longer any other places like ERS will stay open.
Since it has been over 3 months since ERS closed, I wonder where all the ERS ladies have ended up. I have only heard reports of 1 going to the places in Rockford, IL. Any members want to make some guesses where the ERS ladies may be. Are there places like ERS in Chiago or downstate Illinois?
Would an ERS massage employee be eligible for unemployment benefits?
I would think several would stay within the broader industry -- massage parlors, lingere shops, strip clubs, indepedent shows, -- and stay within the general geographic region -- northern IL, souther WI.
DMichaels69
12-18-16, 14:18
I'm still waiting for someone to belly up to the bar about the very old looking woman in the original news story. Maybe she was not from ERS.
I am now starting to highly doubt if ERS will ever reopen and also how much longer any other places like ERS will stay open.
Since it has been over 3 months since ERS closed, I wonder where all the ERS ladies have ended up. I have only heard reports of 1 going to the places in Rockford, IL. Any members want to make some guesses where the ERS ladies may be. Are there places like ERS in Chiago or downstate Illinois?
Would an ERS massage employee be eligible for unemployment benefits?
I would think several would stay within the broader industry -- massage parlors, lingere shops, strip clubs, indepedent shows, -- and stay within the general geographic region -- northern IL, souther WI.
1989, then moved to Belvedere when K bought the building.I went to Genoa several times when I started out, I liked that it was closer to the Chicago 'burbs but I was amazed that it could even exist in that small town. It had such a relaxed vibe, was sorry to see it close.
Was the older lady (looked in her 60's) in the original news report about the bust one of these ladies?No, to your question. The older lady worked at CLV and not ERS.
I am now starting to highly doubt if ERS will ever reopen and also how much longer any other places like ERS will stay open.
Since it has been over 3 months since ERS closed, I wonder where all the ERS ladies have ended up. I have only heard reports of 1 going to the places in Rockford, IL. Any members want to make some guesses where the ERS ladies may be. Are there places like ERS in Chiago or downstate Illinois?
Would an ERS massage employee be eligible for unemployment benefits?
I would think several would stay within the broader industry -- massage parlors, lingere shops, strip clubs, indepedent shows, -- and stay within the general geographic region -- northern IL, souther WI.I went down to The Candy Factory (strip club down near Compton) a couple of weeks ago and one of the dancers approached me. Said she used to work in Rockford, but that the money just wasn't there to make it worthwhile working in Rockford. Could this be a sign of a general migration away from the Rockford area now that Uncle LEO seems to have a 'hard on' for busting adult businesses?
I was watching it's a wonderful life over the weekend and when they showed "Pottersville" I thought of the way Belvidere looked after the two AMP's opened.
Maybe George Bailey can turn things back.
Is that 'the customary' that she was getting while working in Belvidere, or is 'the customary' for CL?Do not know much about Belvidere customar. Only not to expect as much as I wanted from the girls who were there. My only experince was when I was in town a number of years ago, I stopped by both places. I was surprised to see a girl who wa available who was also a girl I had picked up as a Rockford SW when I first came to town almost 15 years ago. I mentioned that on here and was surprised to get a PM from her on here. She asked if I was who she thought I was. Seems she remembered me. Tild her yes and she sent me a phone number to contact her on that did not work when I got the message as only get on here when I have something to report or am bored. A couple times a month is generally my max.
All that being said. Liz was doing what was expected at CL. She was asking almost twice what other girls at CL have in the past. She thought I had been a regualr of another girl in Belvidere and acted like she had seen me once. I picked her since there were 3 girls available 1 I had had a bad expereince with in the past one whoI did not find attractive and Liz. I was in a splurging mood and sort fo regret picking her as it cost a lot more than I was planning. Service was adequte but not great.
Do not know much about Belvidere customar. Only not to expect as much as I wanted from the girls who were there. My only experince was when I was in town a number of years ago, I stopped by both places. I was surprised to see a girl who wa available who was also a girl I had picked up as a Rockford SW when I first came to town almost 15 years ago. I mentioned that on here and was surprised to get a PM from her on here. She asked if I was who she thought I was. Seems she remembered me. Tild her yes and she sent me a phone number to contact her on that did not work when I got the message as only get on here when I have something to report or am bored. A couple times a month is generally my max.
All that being said. Liz was doing what was expected at CL. She was asking almost twice what other girls at CL have in the past. She thought I had been a regualr of another girl in Belvidere and acted like she had seen me once. I picked her since there were 3 girls available 1 I had had a bad expereince with in the past one whoI did not find attractive and Liz. I was in a splurging mood and sort fo regret picking her as it cost a lot more than I was planning. Service was adequte but not great.Well, if she's charging that much more than the going rate, she won't be getting any of my business. Then again, if word gets out that she's charging that much, and only supplying so-so service, she might not be making much money at all.
HeadFirst80
12-21-16, 07:53
Well, if she's charging that much more than the going rate, she won't be getting any of my business. Then again, if word gets out that she's charging that much, and only supplying so-so service, she might not be making much money at all.This begs the question. What's the going rate at CL for which service? If you don't mind please PM.
Dawn came late to the biz, being solely on desk duty for many years. She often joked that she'd have long been retired had she started out as a massage therapist right from the get-go. As others have suggested, Dawn (even at 50!) would do well whether at CL, ELB, or as an independent.I will bet my left nut you won't see Dawn at either of the two Rockford establishments. Maybe as an independent, buthe the Executive was a perfect place for these ladies to make a nice living and service the community.
This begs the question. What's the going rate at CL for which service? If you don't mind please PM.Read the Rockford forum General Reports, it is right there on the first page since it was just discussed.
HeadFirst80
12-22-16, 10:31
Read the Rockford forum General Reports, it is right there on the first page since it was just discussed.Found it. Thanks.
IllinoisMan
12-24-16, 11:31
I will bet my left nut you won't see Dawn at either of the two Rockford establishments. Maybe as an independent, buthe the Executive was a perfect place for these ladies to make a nice living and service the community.I saw Dawn quite often and will miss her friendship and awesome massages. If anyone might know her whereabouts or if Dawn sees this post, would you please pm me?
ChicagoCat99
12-25-16, 03:18
JJ Massage Schaumburg does fine job ($60 1 hour + $40 tip for HE).
Address must be.
W Wise Rd, Schaumburg, IL 60193 .
Strangely, it's not online.
(I think actual business is registered with different name or company.).
I went to ERS and found it's closed.
The Chinese lady was a little professional massage wise.
She pushed very hard.
Lobo Karlov
12-25-16, 07:04
I saw Dawn quite often and will miss her friendship and awesome massages. If anyone might know her whereabouts or if Dawn sees this post, would you please pm me?Same with Nina. If you see this, PM me.
Same with Nina. If you see this, PM me.Let me ad both of these names to the list as well.
Johnnysman
12-25-16, 10:57
For some of us, our relationship with ERS ended months before the bust. When Danielle took some time off, it just wasn't the same (at least for me). The only positive out of this is that had she not been on leave, she most likely would have been there when our nasty Uncle showed up. Merry Christmas Danielle. My stocking misses you.
DMichaels69
12-25-16, 14:24
You think she will PM you?
Same with Nina. If you see this, PM me.
Same with Nina. If you see this, PM me.It's Christmas Day for God's sake. Don't you guys ever think of anything else?
IllinoisMan
12-26-16, 11:08
She lives a comfortable life with a nice guy that cares about her. And doesn't need the money. Probably won't be doing this again in her life. But I'll give you a hint, every weekend sometimes, she can be found in one place. Don't worry, she's not lookin for a boy friend either.Can you provide any more hints?
DMichaels69
12-26-16, 12:20
I guess they think these girls will PM. I'm sure they moved on and forgot all about ERS customers.
It's Christmas Day for God's sake. Don't you guys ever think of anything else?
Head First
12-26-16, 13:02
You think she will PM you?Not necessarily talking about one of these girls but a few Saturdays back I was just sitting around and I get a text. From an Asian spinner I met 10+ yrs ago in Chinatown. Then she went to Archer Ave. Moved around from there and landed at Alices till they closed. Hadn't had any contact then out of nowhere after what, at least 3 yrs since Alices closed, I hear from her and she invites me to come see her at her new place.
So I invested a text or a short voicemail every 3 -6 mos and we've picked up right where we left off, which includes some bb. A little non aggressive persistence lets them know they're still on your radar and who doesn't like that. As long as neither phone # hasn't changed it could happen.
Yesterday I got a Merry Christmas from one I haven't seen in years.
Now if only Sunny from 4112 would contact me (or vice versa) for New Years. LOL.
It's Christmas Day for God's sake. Don't you guys ever think of anything else?No we don't, and evidently neither do you since you were on the forum on Christmas day too. I hope everyone had a great Christmas. Be smart, be polite, and be safe.
Iamthirsty
12-26-16, 20:25
I saw Dawn quite often and will miss her friendship and awesome massages. If anyone might know her whereabouts or if Dawn sees this post, would you please pm me?Same with Darlene, formerly at CLV. She quit when they changed management.
Just wondering. Is there still a need for a Belvidere page? I'm not being rude. I used to really enjoy the town years ago. I know about the busts and the closings. Now it seems that all the posts are about old times or wondering where the girls went. Is there actually anything happening or any chance of a revival?
Just wondering. Is there still a need for a Belvidere page? I'm not being rude. I used to really enjoy the town years ago. I know about the busts and the closings. Now it seems that all the posts are about old times or wondering where the girls went. Is there actually anything happening or any chance of a revival?Yes there appears to be a need. This question has been asked several times and there are many posts, probably more than there used to be, after the question of needing Belvidere was asked. . If there is no longer a need then Belvidere will just dry up, but until then there appears to be a need.
Ctaylor351
12-27-16, 13:38
Anyone know where Terry ended up? Or has anyone heard from her? PM me if you have.
DMichaels69
12-27-16, 22:18
How about a report.
Anyone know where Terry ended up? Or has anyone heard from her? PM me if you have.
OldHornDog
12-28-16, 12:03
I would love to see Terri from clv again. If any of you know where she went or how to contact her please pm me. I do have some utr providers in the Madison area I can trade.
It's funny, but since the busts this thread has taken off and probably gets twice as many posts as the Belvedere thread got when the businesses were thriving. I will admit, I still open it up and read every time there is a new.
Post. For some weird reason I am hoping to hear ROM etc. Are back in business etc. I miss Fifi. Probably the hottest I ever saw working a small town AMP. Plus, you could never go wrong with Susan. Great massage, great attitude, fun all around.
It's funny, but since the busts this thread has taken off and probably gets twice as many posts as the Belvedere thread got when the businesses were thriving. I will admit, I still open it up and read every time there is a new.
Post. For some weird reason I am hoping to hear ROM etc. Are back in business etc. I miss Fifi. Probably the hottest I ever saw working a small town AMP. Plus, you could never go wrong with Susan. Great massage, great attitude, fun all around.Let's face facts, the Belvidere M. P. s meant a great deal to us. Now it is all gone and we hold out hope that things will back to normal. So we check in to see any new news. Nothing wrong with that. I wonder how the women are doing. Especially Dawn, Sophia and my ATF, Jennah. It is hard when you enjoyed something and it is suddenly taken away. Life continues.
DMichaels69
12-29-16, 18:20
Was ERS the naked HJ place with the hot tubs?
Let's face facts, the Belvidere M. P. s meant a great deal to us. Now it is all gone and we hold out hope that things will back to normal. So we check in to see any new news. Nothing wrong with that. I wonder how the women are doing. Especially Dawn, Sophia and my ATF, Jennah. It is hard when you enjoyed something and it is suddenly taken away. Life continues.
Rocket Dork
12-29-16, 18:28
Was ERS the naked HJ place with the hot tubs?Nice place. Rocket Dork.
Well I hope your happy because it's the opening and in the long run your patronage to the Asian places that actually cause all this to be shut down. If no-one went to those AMP's youd have nice hot domestic girls instead of the ones with a stamp (or no stamp) on a passport. Yup, hope your happy. And now theres nothing!
Should the thread stay open? Sure, it's all innocent till proven guilty in a court of law. But the whole towns politics in now against all of it. And now you won't even see a steetwalker or a backpage in Belvedere. Heck if you see two Cottontail Rabbits goin at it they could get arrested. It will all be over for good.No one knows for sure if the AMPs had any impact on the eventual closings. I take no blame in my patronage of the AMPs. While I enjoyed many years at ers, the massages and service at royal was exceptional, especially with fifi. Yes, I AM happy to have seen her, among others. All good things come to an end.
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DMichaels69
12-31-16, 08:42
Many MP's had issues this election year. Time to get in your car and find a new place. Be open to anything and attached to nothing.
No-one knows for sure? Well you don't need a brass plaque to tell ya, it was the opening and the patronage to keep the asian places going that caused the town folk to say "OK Thats Enough" CLV and ERS were there for years without a problem. And when guys started going to the places you mentioned, and keeping them in business, Thats what killed it all.
So you say "Yes I am happy" good, good. Thanks to that; we all now have nothing, Thanks a lot.
Peter North 9
12-31-16, 10:50
Many MP's had issues this election year. Time to get in your car and find a new place. Be open to anything and attached to nothing.Listen to what this guy says. I too held out hope that they might reopen or the ladies might show up as indy's, but then I started thinking about how I have seen LE operate in other scenarios. It occurred to me that these ladies are probably being put through hell and that the last thing they want to do is go back into the trade.
So sad to hear of the demise of ERS. Too many favorites to mention here and don't want to do disservice to them by mentioning their names now. 30+ year member of this hobby, 20 years at ERS and take it from me, ERS will never be replaced. Lots of great info on this site and looking forward to contribute some of my own along the way.
Listen to what this guy says. I too held out hope that they might reopen or the ladies might show up as indy's, but then I started thinking about how I have seen LE operate in other scenarios. It occurred to me that these ladies are probably being put through hell and that the last thing they want to do is go back into the trade.Oh heck ya, these girls are through hell. If you read what the law states for a massage license violation, the license takes minimum of 500 hours of schooling (something the girls don't have) second, if you plead guilty and pay the fine you might be up for up to one year in jail or probation, and it also states if caught again, it's immediately increased to a felony and faces up to 5 years in prison. These girls are just trying to make a small living. Most of them don't have the cash or will to fight it and hire a lawyer. Take Dawn for instance, She's 50, got arrested and charged with a license violation. She tries fighting that they can say "ok we'll throw the book at you if you fight it, or you help us", or she just pays the fine and takes her chances on jail time. My guess on a first offence like that she will just get the fine with no priors and just walk. She ain't going to chance anything in the future otherwise she's looking at the big house. She's 50 she can just fade away to the sunset and just get a job somewhere. Why try and start an ordeal chancing getting busted again and face a heck of a lot more. I wish them well, but I really don't see how they would stick there necks way out there like that again.
Listen to what this guy says. I too held out hope that they might reopen or the ladies might show up as indy's, but then I started thinking about how I have seen LE operate in other scenarios. It occurred to me that these ladies are probably being put through hell and that the last thing they want to do is go back into the trade.These ladies are going through tough times. They are certainly laying low until the legal bs passes. Then we may see some of them reappear, many are connected to the local area with family and kids.
LoveTravel90
02-04-17, 18:04
Hi guys,
I had gone to ERS regularly during 2016 and really enjoyed many of the ladies there. So kind and good at their jobs. I went to CL in Rockford today and saw Liz, who had worked at ERS. I did ask her about what happened at ERS and she was very open about it. Her sister Nina was briefly held in jail for interrogation, but is now working in a manufacturing environment. There is one other gal who had worked at ERS a while back who is now working at CL also, going by the name Jade (Liz said she is a brunette). Dawn is retired. It was great to see Liz again and sympathize with her for what happened. She did a very nice job. She said CL does have a "punch card", where the 11th time is a free 20 minute session. Just wanted to share this with everyone, as I'd been so curious about how the ladies were doing.
RufinoTorres
02-09-17, 14:26
Is CL a spa / HJ place like ERS or is there a wider menu?
Hi guys,
I had gone to ERS regularly during 2016 and really enjoyed many of the ladies there. So kind and good at their jobs. I went to CL in Rockford today and saw Liz, who had worked at ERS. I did ask her about what happened at ERS and she was very open about it. Her sister Nina was briefly held in jail for interrogation, but is now working in a manufacturing environment. There is one other gal who had worked at ERS a while back who is now working at CL also, going by the name Jade (Liz said she is a brunette). Dawn is retired. It was great to see Liz again and sympathize with her for what happened. She did a very nice job. She said CL does have a "punch card", where the 11th time is a free 20 minute session. Just wanted to share this with everyone, as I'd been so curious about how the ladies were doing.
Is CL a spa / HJ place like ERS or is there a wider menu?Not a Spa but a Lingerie modeling shop. Much more available. Read the Rockford Forum General reports section. Much about it and ERS across the street.
Ratherbshootin
02-09-17, 16:29
Hi guys,
I had gone to ERS regularly during 2016 and really enjoyed many of the ladies there. So kind and good at their jobs. I went to CL in Rockford today and saw Liz, who had worked at ERS. I did ask her about what happened at ERS and she was very open about it. Her sister Nina was briefly held in jail for interrogation, but is now working in a manufacturing environment. There is one other gal who had worked at ERS a while back who is now working at CL also, going by the name Jade (Liz said she is a brunette). Dawn is retired. It was great to see Liz again and sympathize with her for what happened. She did a very nice job. She said CL does have a "punch card", where the 11th time is a free 20 minute session. Just wanted to share this with everyone, as I'd been so curious about how the ladies were doing.Had fun with Liz before and always wanted more the was offered is she FS now?
Mayor Quimby
02-09-17, 18:40
Is CL a spa / HJ place like ERS or is there a wider menu?It can also vary by girl. They had several quit right after the Belvidere issue. Heard they were concerned about that happening to them.
Was on the CL website & saw the name Teri on the schedule. I know its a long shot but can't help wonder if that's the former CLV Teri. If I didn't live almost 2 hours south I'd stop in to find out. Hadn't been there in a few years but she was my favorite.
There's been a lot of speculation about whether the massage parlours will reopen or not. I'm in the 'not' camp myself, and I think this little incident did not help the case for letting them reopen.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20161207/belvidere-massage-parlor-continued-operating-after-judge-ordered-it-closed
For all his talk about helping out his employees, you'd think this guy would have the common sense to lay low and give officialdom a chance to cool down before trying to get back in business. Most likely outcome of this is he just made it nearly impossible for the city to leave him a loophole to use to reopen.Anyone knows what happened to the hearing that was scheduled for Jan 20 (as per the report in the link above)?
Hi guys,
I had gone to ERS regularly during 2016 and really enjoyed many of the ladies there. So kind and good at their jobs. I went to CL in Rockford today and saw Liz, who had worked at ERS. I did ask her about what happened at ERS and she was very open about it. Her sister Nina was briefly held in jail for interrogation, but is now working in a manufacturing environment. There is one other gal who had worked at ERS a while back who is now working at CL also, going by the name Jade (Liz said she is a brunette). Dawn is retired. It was great to see Liz again and sympathize with her for what happened. She did a very nice job. She said CL does have a "punch card", where the 11th time is a free 20 minute session. Just wanted to share this with everyone, as I'd been so curious about how the ladies were doing.Dawn Is semi retired.
Dawn Is semi retired.I've had several people PM me for Dawn's info. At this time, I'm going to respect her privacy. But you never know what can happen in the future.
I've had several people PM me for Dawn's info. At this time, I'm going to respect her privacy. But you never know what can happen in the future.I sure miss her. Very sad that ERS closed. Been going there on and off since the late 1980's (I really feel old) and remember Dawn working the desk when she was in her 20s. Used to tease her all the time about giving me a session. Then a few years ago I called and asked who was working and the desk girl rattled off a bunch of names including Dawn. I almost fell over. I made an appointment with her and it felt a little wierd, but after 5 minutes we got into it and had a great time. I hope she is doing well, she is a class act and still looks great.
I sure miss her. Very sad that ERS closed. Been going there on and off since the late 1980's (I really feel old) and remember Dawn working the desk when she was in her 20s. Used to tease her all the time about giving me a session. Then a few years ago I called and asked who was working and the desk girl rattled off a bunch of names including Dawn. I almost fell over. I made an appointment with her and it felt a little wierd, but after 5 minutes we got into it and had a great time. I hope she is doing well, she is a class act and still looks great.We'll she spoiled me from ever visiting another massage shop again. First you won't find another woman as hot as her, second I will never get the services I got from her anywhe else. Nothing was off limits except greek and all was eau natural.
Peter North 9
02-23-17, 23:09
We'll she spoiled me from ever visiting another massage shop again. First you won't find another woman as hot as her, second I will never get the services I got from her anywhe else. Nothing was off limits except greek and all was eau natural.I think this post is in the wrong section. Doesn't this board have a section for fiction?
First he posts a quote from himself then he posts the fiction.
Interesting!
And then you post some stupid bullshit like this. What's the deal with guys like you that come on the forum and post about other guys instead of chicks? Are you sure you're at the right place?
A2
DMichaels69
02-24-17, 20:36
I don't think there is but there should be a section for that.
I think this post is in the wrong section. Doesn't this board have a section for fiction?
RiverEuphrates
03-06-17, 23:43
Since this is mostly an "in memorandum" post. My ATF at both places in that town was Nancy. Hope to cross paths again with her!
ChicagoCat99
03-11-17, 02:37
I am surprised that no one mentions the European spa in Arlington heights.
I found that on web site.
When I called they gave me specific address.
They said no one is there, so I had to make an appointment, so I can meet someone.
It was located in very deep in the office complex.
I had to walk for a while since it was far from parking lot.
There is no sign at all on the door.
The setting is like Chiropractic office.
About 40 years old Russian lady in nursing uniform was there.
She said she is actually working in chiropractic office.
It was $65 an hour and she did not even take money upfront.
Massage was professional and nice.
I thought this is just a massage only place.
And, then, after I flip over. OMG.
Suddenly she smiled. I removed towel.
And, she touched my nipple, I touched her hips.
She touched me all over and masterbated. I touched her breasts a lot.
Nice finish. She cleaned me up.
Surprisingly, she did not even asked me tip and grap $65 on the table and left.
I asked her to wait.
I gave $35 tips and she gave me a bottle of water.
Honestly, I don't really miss ERS that much any more.
ERS was store front, so anyone can come in any time.
Crowded, so I could see other customers.
And, I did not like those ladies with excessive tattoo and piercing.
(e.g. Marie).
I will definitely repeat here.
P.S.:
I have their business card, but it does not show anything.
No business name or address.
Just service they offer and phone number.
Deleted by Admin
You really need to learn to use the Report Post button.
This one post set off a flurry of stupidity that I had to clean up.
A2
ChicagoCat99
03-12-17, 01:23
One thing I notice about that place is actually massage.
I did take shower before I went there, but I wonder if my feet was clean.
But, when I lied on my stomach, this nice Russian lady put my feet on the pillow and massaged them as if these are clean.
That was so good.
And, another thing was hand job.
Personally, I have ejaculation problem.
So, I never do that with ladies even with blowjob or handjob whatever. I usually masterbate myself to finish it.
But, she had strange way of stroke.
It made some sound with lotion, but I felt I am in actual vagina somehow.
Boom. She was shocked since it was all over even to my shoulder.
It was almost first ejaculation after with Samantha (ERS) in 2013.
(Both Samantha and this lady do not talk much and focused on massage. I like that, personally.).
Another thing is I almost felt like she may enjoy entire process.
She asked me to put the money on the table and did not even count it.
After all those, she was going to leave with money on the table ($65).
I asked her to wait and gave her tip.
I feel like this is legitimate place with side job or something.
Let me ask them before releasing info.
With no business sign, no open sign or hour sign, I feel they want to be discrete.
Once you get in, it's like Chiropractic office, though.
So the city council met and has been met with some push-back. All of a sudden the business owners are feeling a little heat from the city that these licence ideas were a good thing up until they were told "you have to get licences too" and basically "we want to know what YOUR up to as well". They at first said they didn't mind the city shutting down the ERS's and Cie Le Vie's of the world up until they were to be included in this licence idea. So now, in a sense The Hunter has become The Hunted. It's prying eyes into other businesses that's getting them a little gun-shy on the idea. Notice in the article where it says "we want to keep the good massage parlors".
http://rvpnews.com/?p=12641
Stay tuned, might be over after all.
I feel like this is legitimate place with side job or something.
Let me ask them before releasing info.
With no business sign, no open sign or hour sign, I feel they want to be discrete.
Once you get in, it's like Chiropractic office, though.When you can, please provide enough information that we can find this place.
GunnerMagnum
03-16-17, 10:45
Looks like the businesses are concerned about it and will be invited to attend a meeting on 3/27 and sounds like they want good legit no play places like many that are out there. But we can't conclude from this article that ERS and the other three would reopen.
So the city council met and has been met with some push-back. All of a sudden the business owners are feeling a little heat from the city that these licence ideas were a good thing up until they were told "you have to get licences too" and basically "we want to know what YOUR up to as well". They at first said they didn't mind the city shutting down the ERS's and Cie Le Vie's of the world up until they were to be included in this licence idea. So now, in a sense The Hunter has become The Hunted. It's prying eyes into other businesses that's getting them a little gun-shy on the idea. Notice in the article where it says "we want to keep the good massage parlors".
http://rvpnews.com/?p=12641
Stay tuned, might be over after all.
ChicagoCat99
03-16-17, 12:44
When you can, please provide enough information that we can find this place.But, honestly, the web site I go is not that big of deal.
Craigslist.
It's right there.
Mayor Quimby
03-16-17, 15:25
When you can, please provide enough information that we can find this place.Been checking out other forums & doing the math. Was looking at the Chicago EMP thread. The past few days there's been a handful of posts that seem to match the description & experience Brad has so cryptically described. I could be wrong but sure sounds like the place. Only variance is the location isn't AH. Curious if others will come to the same conclusion.
I've had several people PM me for Dawn's info. At this time, I'm going to respect her privacy. But you never know what can happen in the future.If things change or you feel comfortable enough to share, please consider dropping me a PM. I was a fan and regular of Dawn's and would enjoy seeing her again.
But, honestly, the web site I go is not that big of deal.
Craigslist.
It's right there.Don't want to put you on the defensive, but if she has info up on a public site, don't you think it would be OK to share that link? That is the kind of thing we do on this board. Share information.
This is my guess: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/thp/6046245131.html
ChicagoCat99
03-16-17, 18:15
Don't want to put you on the defensive, but if she has info up on a public site, don't you think it would be OK to share that link? That is the kind of thing we do on this board. Share information.
This is my guess: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/thp/6046245131.htmlIf you don't mind, let me get back to that issue a little later.
I found another ad, so I made an appointment. It was NW suburb again.
I usually go to MP at evening.
But, the voice was so young and sounds attractive (advertised as European Parlor as well).
It was 4th floor in a big office building.
As soon as I enter, I was surprised how pretty she was.
She said she is 33, but looks like 27.
She was tallish blond.
In this case, it was massage only though.
She tried to removed towel a bit.
I thought it was hint. I was impatient and removed the towel totally.
She was mildly surprised and covered me.
She was very cautious since she locked both front door and room door before session.
I paid $55 as a first customer.
Since I had $100 cash, so I paid $40 for 30 minutes more and $5 tip.
She said she is Russian, too.
Personally, I prefer White therapists.
This and the other place would be some places I want to keep.
P.S. :
She did not have any tattoo or piercing.
She said she has CNA license already. She was studying nursing college textbook there.
And, it was small office with two private rooms.
If you don't mind, let me get back to that issue a little later.
I found another ad, so I made an appointment. It was NW suburb again.
I usually go to MP at evening.
But, the voice was so young and sounds attractive (advertised as European Parlor as well).
It was 4th floor in a big office building.
As soon as I enter, I was surprised how pretty she was.
She said she is 33, but looks like 27.
She was tallish blond..https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/thp/6040250367.html
This link fits the OP description very well. There is minimal ad copy and the phone number is part of the image so it is not searchable. No location listed. Title: European Massage. Let me know (Post / PM) if you concur.
Ad copy:
"European massage.
RELAX,
RENEW,
REFRESH!
* Monty Python reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zWjUhfj-M
ChicagoCat99
03-16-17, 22:28
I thought it's police bait in the beginning.
Too good to be true for $55.
That's why I checked youtube and almost cancelled the appointment.
It was just massage only though.
P.S.:
I found police set up are usually hotel.
They arrest anyone coming in the room since sex is only service offered.
In case of massage, it's a little hard to set up.
Having massage is legal.
And, no woman police will arrest you after 30 minutes massage and flip over.
That's just too much work for them with too little arrest.
ChicagoCat99
03-16-17, 22:50
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/thp/6040250367.html
This link fits the OP description very well. There is minimal ad copy and the phone number is part of the image so it is not searchable. No location listed. Title: European Massage. Let me know (Post / PM) if you concur.
Ad copy:
"European massage.
RELAX,
RENEW,
REFRESH!
* Monty Python reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zWjUhfj-MOh, not this one.
But, I assume it would be similar.
Just try that and let me know.
These two Russian locations do not know each other, but they operated in the similar manner.
No address or particular sign.
In the middle of office complex.
Or in the middle floor of office building.
These two women never really talked during session and did their jobs.
Also, just ambient music.
I feel better with this young girl since she locked out front door and room door.
Probably I will visit her at closing time.
ChicagoCat99
03-17-17, 11:08
I found another ad for massage in Downer's grove.
$40 for 1 hour in house studio.
I want to try that and will let you know.
(She is European.).
I know we all miss ERS, but it seems the choices are unlimited.
(I do not go to backpage.).
I paid $105 an hour at ERS last time.
Often, I doubt they keep the time.
No clock in the room.
On the wall, it shows "45 min-1 hour massage".
There were a lot of time I felt it's 45 minutes especially when it was busy.
Time is important since massage is only place I go.
For the Russian girl yesterday, she actually work longer than 1. 5 hours.
Clock was in the room and I know this since I paid her 1 hour and 30 minutes separately.
ChicagoCat99
03-18-17, 01:27
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/thp/6047645758.html
This Lithuanian lady was good.
She set up massage room on her basement.
Luxury sofas, 60 inch HDTV and a cute cat.
Clean and comfortable.
She looked older than photo.
But, impressive heating bed and "warm stone" massage.
I have never seen this kind of massage so far.
Worth to try for $40.
No kinky thing as a first timer I guess.
Nude painting was on the wall of basement, so I don't know "later".
I paid $40 for 60 minutes and tip her $30.
(Total $70.).
P.S. :
I really like her basement.
Very peaceful.
630-205-7315
She said she prefer text.
How were her overall looks compared to the picture? Also, thanks for the info but it would help more if you could put these in threads that are closer to the location than Belvidere.
-w.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/thp/6047645758.html
This Lithuanian lady was good.
She set up massage room on her basement.
Luxury sofas, 60 inch HDTV and a cute cat.
Clean and comfortable.
She looked older than photo.
But, impressive heating bed and "warm stone" massage.
I have never seen this kind of massage so far.
Worth to try for $40.
No kinky thing as a first timer I guess.
Nude painting was on the wall of basement, so I don't know "later".
I paid $40 for 60 minutes and tip her $30.
(Total $70.).
P.S. :
I really like her basement.
Very peaceful.
630-205-7315
She said she prefer text.
ChicagoCat99
03-18-17, 12:13
How were her overall looks compared to the picture? Also, thanks for the info but it would help more if you could put these in threads that are closer to the location than Belvidere.
-w.She probably is mid 50's.
No one used warm stones, so massage was very unique and satisfying.
There is nothing between Belvedere and Chicago suburb.
ChicagoCat99
03-18-17, 12:19
I found two european ladies.
They are in Orlando Park and Palo Hills.
Both home studios. Both suggests $65 and $50.
I may try Palo Hill lady on Mon.
Oh, not this one.
But, I assume it would be similar.
Just try that and let me know.
These two Russian locations do not know each other, but they operated in the similar manner.
No address or particular sign.
In the middle of office complex.
Or in the middle floor of office building.
These two women never really talked during session and did their jobs.
Also, just ambient music.
I feel better with this young girl since she locked out front door and room door.
Probably I will visit her at closing time.Is this still a big secret? Can't you just post a link to whatever it is?
ChicagoCat99
03-19-17, 00:07
Is this still a big secret? Can't you just post a link to whatever it is?No big deal.
Basically, everyone will do it.
It's just matter if they will do it at first or second or third.
How do I know?
They all gave me a sort of wet towel or wet tissues after massage.
Why?
I think these are for ejaculation.
(Nothing happened in two places, but their habit.)
ChicagoCat99
03-19-17, 01:16
I miss one particular massage from this lady.
She used reasonably big size of stones for hot massage.
Usually stones were on top of me.
But, when I was lying on my back, suddenly she put a stone under my shoulder.
Then, she moved it.
That was so good.
(At first, I tried to get it out, but she asked me to stop and moved it.).
For some reasons, I want to help her since there must be reason for discount.
And, I believe this massage will be good for you if you have hypertension like me.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/thp/6047645758.html
ChicagoCat99
03-21-17, 22:08
Today, I checked massage section in backpage.
Surprisingly, most of prices are much higher than $65 an hour there.
And, then, I found one ad showing $60 for 45 minutes and set up appointment for 7:00 pm.
When I was at the address, I found covered door as if it's in construction.
When I knocked the door, one nice latina came out.
Her name was Luna and prettiest and youngers (26) therapist so far.
Her massage was hard, but my towel went away in 10 minutes.
When she massaged my hands, she put them between her breasts.
(The biggest breasts I have ever had so far.).
Then, she asked me flip over.
I put towel on my belly since it was a bit cold.
She looked at my penis, but massaged me everywhere.
Then, she whispered, "We can have some fun for $50. ".
I told her that I have $40 and she smiled "OK".
(I brought $100 total.)
She used lotion to erect my penis. Then, she used oil to play with it.
She put one breast out and I sucked all along.
(It was like my head size.).
Nice finish. She was happy since I was obedient and we had nice hug.
She had more likely white American face than latina. Definitely I will be back since 4-5 girls there as well.
P.S.:
This photo was really her.
It was rare someone looks better than photo.
Facility was not that great.
Traffic sound.
Crowded with 4-5 girls.
No covered ceiling in the room.
Like half built facility.
Doesn't this belong in the "Chicago" section?
Today, I checked massage section in backpage.
Surprisingly, most of prices are much higher than $65 an hour there.
And, then, I found one ad showing $60 for 45 minutes and set up appointment for 7:00 pm.
When I was at the address, I found covered door as if it's in construction.
When I knocked the door, one nice latina came out.
Her name was Luna and prettiest and youngers (26) therapist so far.
Her massage was hard, but my towel went away in 10 minutes.
When she massaged my hands, she put them between her breasts.
(The biggest breasts I have ever had so far.).
Then, she asked me flip over.
I put towel on my belly since it was a bit cold.
She looked at my penis, but massaged me everywhere.
Then, she whispered, "We can have some fun for $50. ".
I told her that I have $40 and she smiled "OK".
(I brought $100 total.)
She used lotion to erect my penis. Then, she used oil to play with it.
She put one breast out and I sucked all along.
(It was like my head size.).
Nice finish. She was happy since I was obedient and we had nice hug.
She had more likely white American face than latina. Definitely I will be back since 4-5 girls there as well.
P.S.:
This photo was really her.
It was rare someone looks better than photo.
Facility was not that great.
Traffic sound.
Crowded with 4-5 girls.
No covered ceiling in the room.
Like half built facility.
Doesn't this belong in the "Chicago" section?I think he posted the exact same review on the Chicago Massage section.
Lobo Karlov
05-15-17, 22:28
I really miss Nina, I had some great times with her.
Chicagobob
05-19-17, 02:43
I really miss Nina, I had some great times with her.! My pants get tight every time I think about either of them.
New place in Belvidere. Anyone checked it out?
New place in Belvidere. Anyone checked it out?Where and what's the name. Doubt it's anything like the old places.
New place in Belvidere. Anyone checked it out?Thinking about it soon, but have a feeling it's going be legit as fuck.
DMichaels69
05-31-17, 12:41
http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-open-peaceful-mind-hot-stone-best-massage-asian-staff/63913968
Where and what's the name. Doubt it's anything like the old places.
http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-open-peaceful-mind-hot-stone-best-massage-asian-staff/63913968However, This may mean all the mumbo jumbo about making getting the necessary zoning permits, etc. Were just b. S. After the busts.
http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-open-peaceful-mind-hot-stone-best-massage-asian-staff/63913968They can say "Asian" until the cows come home, I'm not going to be their first customer, not after what happened the last time.
They can say "Asian" until the cows come home, I'm not going to be their first customer, not after what happened the last time.I went last week. Because of the sensitivity of parlors in the community I will not share details other then to say I will be back again.
Of course YMMV.
YM.
MontataBoy
06-11-17, 08:23
Given the legal problems in Belvedere, I was happy to find the scene in Germany, Berlin in particular. To begin with everything is legal. That said, found a similar place to ERS and walked in. The place was beautiful and immaculate, Paris No. 5. Shown to waiting room where video of the girls who worked their rotated. Very nice. After about 15 minutes was shown to a room. Shower, and large platform bed with mattress. Shortly after the two girls who were available come in to introduce themselves. Tall blond and Asian both mid 20's. They were 8 to 9's. I picked the Asian (Moe) since she had an hour. Picked the nuru massage. Showered and she came back and it was just like the videos. She got naked and began to slide. Now Nina did some sliding, but this was heaven!. After 45 minutes of teasing she took me home. If ever in Berlin I'd recommend. 150 euros, including tip.
Given the legal problems in Belvedere, I was happy to find the scene in Germany, Berlin in particular. To begin with everything is legal. That said, found a similar place to ERS and walked in. The place was beautiful and immaculate, Paris No. 5. Shown to waiting room where video of the girls who worked their rotated. Very nice. After about 15 minutes was shown to a room. Shower, and large platform bed with mattress. Shortly after the two girls who were available come in to introduce themselves. Tall blond and Asian both mid 20's. They were 8 to 9's. I picked the Asian (Moe) since she had an hour. Picked the nuru massage. Showered and she came back and it was just like the videos. She got naked and began to slide. Now Nina did some sliding, but this was heaven!. After 45 minutes of teasing she took me home. If ever in Berlin I'd recommend. 150 euros, including tip.Please tell us there is a connection between Berlin, Germany and Belvidere, USA. I was in the service and stationed in Germany and had quite the time, but it doesn't apply here.
Am I missing the point?
Stinky Out.
Call Me Booger
06-12-17, 11:29
Please tell us there is a connection between Berlin, Germany and Belvidere, USA. I
Stinky Out.Ummmmm both begin with the letter "B". Both of women. Both have boobs. Yeah that's all I got.
Ummmmm both begin with the letter "B". Both of women. Both have boobs. Yeah that's all I got.I'll give it a shot! He got laid for 150 euros vs $162 and he thought that was a good deal for Asian pussy?
I read on a post some time back of a provider that provides grooming such as waxing etc. I did some searches and can't find. Does anyone know who does this service?
Given the legal problems in Belvedere, I was happy to find the scene in Germany, Berlin in particular. To begin with everything is legal. That said, found a similar place to ERS and walked in. The place was beautiful and immaculate, Paris No. 5. Shown to waiting room where video of the girls who worked their rotated. Very nice. After about 15 minutes was shown to a room. Shower, and large platform bed with mattress. Shortly after the two girls who were available come in to introduce themselves. Tall blond and Asian both mid 20's. They were 8 to 9's. I picked the Asian (Moe) since she had an hour. Picked the nuru massage. Showered and she came back and it was just like the videos. She got naked and began to slide. Now Nina did some sliding, but this was heaven!. After 45 minutes of teasing she took me home. If ever in Berlin I'd recommend. 150 euros, including tip.You do have to travel that far, just visit Toronto and get great, affordable FS.
Lobo Karlov
06-14-17, 21:16
So is there any other place close enough that resembles anything close to ERS?
So is there any other place close enough that resembles anything close to ERS?Logan tantrica's in Chicago is fairly close to Ers and CLV in comps. Not as many girls to choose from but very good overall quality. $ 160.00 entrance fee for massage and he. Located in north side of city near Addison and kimball. I too regret that after 40 years Belvidere is gone. Take care.
Lobo Karlov
06-17-17, 13:25
Logan tantrica's in Chicago is fairly close to Ers and CLV in comps. Not as many girls to choose from but very good overall quality. $ 160.00 entrance fee for massage and he. Located in north side of city near Addison and kimball. I too regret that after 40 years Belvidere is gone. Take care.Thanks, I've only been there once , though I had a decent time, it didn't resemble Ers. This was about 5 years ago so maybe they've changed. I'll try them out again.
I went back. Both the girls that were working there earlier are not working. There was a older women, very average looks, probably late 40's. Full menu available. I would not return until some new girls come in.
Of course YMMV.
YM.
I went back. Both the girls that were working there earlier are not working. There was a older women, very average looks, probably late 40's. Full menu available. I would not return until some new girls come in.
Of course YMMV.
YM.That's too bad. I went in there a few weeks ago to test the waters. Got a gal that was probably mid 30's, cute and a nice little body. Had fun, would have liked to have gone back and explored a little further.
That's too bad. I went in there a few weeks ago to test the waters. Got a gal that was probably mid 30's, cute and a nice little body. Had fun, would have liked to have gone back and explored a little further.Eskimo are you talking about a new place in Belvidere? Is it on State where ER used to be or further down? Or is this a discussion about Logan in Chicago? Thanks.
Anyone know if Tina is working again?
Eskimo are you talking about a new place in Belvidere? Is it on State where ER used to be or further down? Or is this a discussion about Logan in Chicago? Thanks.There are two there now. One where Royal use to be and the other across from the old Sonic. There is nothing by the old ERS.
There are two there now. One where Royal use to be and the other across from the old Sonic. There is nothing by the old ERS.Thanks. It shows the town can't keep them down. This time I thought it was "gone for good. " I remember when ERS was on the opposite side of the Street.
Thanks. It shows the town can't keep them down. This time I thought it was "gone for good. " I remember when ERS was on the opposite side of the Street.I checked it out today. Wow it was so bad. I went in and I was greeted by a very old lady dressed in green medical clothes. She was crazy old. I turned around and left.
Of course YMMV and that might be your thing.
YM.
Indian Chief
07-08-17, 14:51
Just left from there. Michelle was MT, Korean. Run there before she is gone. Bargain. Good service. There is one more girl there.
Was at the new Belvidere place called Hot Stone earlier this afternoon and had a good time. I'm fairly young and don't frequent AMPs or any other services much but this place was good.
Got an hour session with "Hannah" who was a late 30's-40's year old Korean. Unattractive face but decent body. Full menu was available and was very affordable and never rushed. She even spoke decent English and seemed generally interested in getting to know me. She seemed very new to the area and even asked me where are good places to go shopping or just go out. On the way out, I ran into another MT who looked better and a little younger. I never visited any of the former Belvidere spots but this new place far outshines any place I visited in Rockford in the last year. I may not be returning because this hobby seems expensive but hope you guys have a good time if you make it out there. Let me know if you have any questions!
Chicago Monger
07-14-17, 22:11
Was at the new Belvidere place called Hot Stone earlier this afternoon and had a good time. I'm fairly young and don't frequent AMPs or any other services much but this place was good.
Got an hour session with "Hannah" who was a late 30's-40's year old Korean. Unattractive face but decent body. Full menu was available and was very affordable and never rushed. She even spoke decent English and seemed generally interested in getting to know me. She seemed very new to the area and even asked me where are good places to go shopping or just go out. On the way out, I ran into another MT who looked better and a little younger. I never visited any of the former Belvidere spots but this new place far outshines any place I visited in Rockford in the last year. I may not be returning because this hobby seems expensive but hope you guys have a good time if you make it out there. Let me know if you have any questions!I think I saw the saw one today. But I thought she said Anna. Fast massage then goes for the service in the first 10 minutes. Seemed rushed but full menu.
Just left from there. Michelle was MT, Korean. Run there before she is gone. Bargain. Good service. There is one more girl there.Michelle is still there, so no need to run. A younger one there as well, but forgot her name. The mamasan threw me off at first, thinking that she was one of the options; would have ran from that possibility!
DMichaels69
07-17-17, 16:26
The Koreans have invaded. See how long they last.
Michelle is still there, so no need to run. A younger one there as well, but forgot her name. The mamasan threw me off at first, thinking that she was one of the options; would have ran from that possibility!
JohnJohnson126
08-11-17, 20:45
I really miss ERS. What a great place! Anyone heard if Nina is working again?
I really miss ERS. What a great place! Anyone heard if Nina is working again?As of right now I've been told that Nina is out of the business. Liz, Nina's sister, is working at C. L in Rockford.
Well the sentences are handed down, basically told the owner to (slap) don't do this without a license any more. What everyone already knew. If you know how to do a search you all can find the results I'm not going to link it. The website has been taken down. One of these days I'll do some recon and do a road trip and check out the premises. I called and the phone is still active, Thanking us for our support through all this, and stating that they are still working to eventually re-open in the future. I'm sure someone from there is reading our posts, hence thanking us for our support. Maybe there is a way they can get the 500 hours of training required to get a license, or possibly re-open at their original location which was in Genoa City when they started. Who knows. Best of luck to them.
Roy Bulgaf
08-14-17, 19:38
I went to the one across from the Sonic, but she was booked up for three hours. I thought I'd try the new one on 120 and State. It is a very good legit massage with quite a bit of teasing, but nothing else. BTW, no shower either.
Stopped in last week and was told Michelle wasn't in. I asked when she would be back, MMS said maybe next month. Too bad. I met Michelle a couple weeks earlier, and she was as advertised. New girl (can't remember her name) was more limited and not as good. She said she was new and a little nervous- she suggested menu may expand. Of course, YMMV.
Stopped in last week and was told Michelle wasn't in. I asked when she would be back, MMS said maybe next month. Too bad. I met Michelle a couple weeks earlier, and she was as advertised. New girl (can't remember her name) was more limited and not as good. She said she was new and a little nervous- she suggested menu may expand. Of course, YMMV.Got the same, called in and MMS said she was on vacation but will be back next month.
Jimlikeswomen
08-23-17, 06:59
Got the same, called in and MMS said she was on vacation but will be back next month.I have heard that reply many times over the years and more often than not "next month" comes but the girl never returns. Got to believe MMS thinks the promise of the girl returning keeps us returning.
Ahh. The memories.
I have heard that reply many times over the years and more often than not "next month" comes but the girl never returns. .I've seen that too, I think what happens is the Chinese or Korean handlers from the mother country rotate them out, and back to the home country in case the LE catches wind of them. Weather or not they are under any suspicion, it's a good way for "Them" to stay in business and bring in new girls. Local USA Borne providers unfortunately don't have that option to split the country. That how they get driven out of business. Given the demand, this looks like the trend.
Anbody been to hot stone on state on the past week or so? Figuring on stopping in this week. What can I expect? I have been told there are 3 new ladies wording there and are all offering everything on the menu including BBFS. Should I ask for a ccertain one? Any info would be beneficial as I am driving a bit of distance. . they have a nice ad in the back page.
Chicago Monger
09-09-17, 17:40
Anbody been to hot stone on state on the past week or so? Figuring on stopping in this week. What can I expect? I have been told there are 3 new ladies wording there and are all offering everything on the menu including BBFS. Should I ask for a ccertain one? Any info would be beneficial as I am driving a bit of distance. . they have a nice ad in the back page.I was unaware of BBFS. Which lady offers this?
Can't believe it has been nearly a year since the big shutdown. Sure do miss all my favorites especially Jennah. At CLV. Has anyone heard anything about her? I know that she was in the industry for a long time and always had a good time with her. Longing for the good old days. Knowing that they are over.
I've seen that too, I think what happens is the Chinese or Korean handlers from the mother country rotate them out, and back to the home country in case the LE catches wind of them. Weather or not they are under any suspicion, it's a good way for "Them" to stay in business and bring in new girls. Local USA Borne providers unfortunately don't have that option to split the country. That how they get driven out of business. Given the demand, this looks like the trend.Or they go to work at another spa out of state. One of my UTR's works here in the summer and Florida in the winter. Saw her last weekend the day before she left and she invited me to again come see her this winter for a week or two. She hates winter and has rotated back and forth for about 5 years now. I know of another spa girl who does the same thing except she goes to LA. It's not unususal.
AJ.
Well it's been exactly one year to the day. So what has happened? The girls that got piched got fines, lost jobs and those of us that went down there no longer do and bring no money to Belvedere. I myself would always bank on cheaper gas and at least a lottery ticket. And that pizza next door smells good. Guess those of us that spent cash in that city don't bring any more to the town. The girls bought clothes, cars, food, rent, and that income stream is gone. I sure hope the city fathers feel so much better now. And I doubt very much crime has decreased because of all of this.
Belvidere Police department, all you did was take fines and living money and jobs away from some girls, I hope your happy. What are you going to bust next, the tattoo shop?
Bignice out.
Well it's been exactly one year to the day. So what has happened? The girls that got piched got fines, lost jobs and those of us that went down there no longer do and bring no money to Belvedere. I myself would always bank on cheaper gas and at least a lottery ticket. And that pizza next door smells good. Guess those of us that spent cash in that city don't bring any more to the town. The girls bought clothes, cars, food, rent, and that income stream is gone. I sure hope the city fathers feel so much better now. And I doubt very much crime has decreased because of all of this.
Belvidere Police department, all you did was take fines and living money and jobs away from some girls, I hope your happy. What are you going to bust next, the tattoo shop?
Bignice out.The police in Belvidere are just like those in any other town, all they want is to get the maximum pay for the minimum work. Chasing down drug distributors, solving violent crime, things like that take effort. Busting a massage parlour that's been around for about forever? Cheap and easy, what's often called 'low-hanging fruit". And it plays well with both the public and the 'scandal' driven media too. So for them, it's a classic 'win-win'. That it does nothing to make Belvidere a better place to live is secondary, at best.
The police in Belvidere are just like those in any other town, all they want is to get the maximum pay for the minimum work. Chasing down drug distributors, solving violent crime, things like that take effort. Busting a massage parlour that's been around for about forever? Cheap and easy, what's often called 'low-hanging fruit". And it plays well with both the public and the 'scandal' driven media too. So for them, it's a classic 'win-win'. That it does nothing to make Belvidere a better place to live is secondary, at best.Oh so well said. I hope there is some other place somewhere like ERS. What a shame. Anyone finds one, let me know.
DMichaels69
09-17-17, 19:32
Reports on here, some good about a new Asian place there.
Oh so well said. I hope there is some other place somewhere like ERS. What a shame. Anyone finds one, let me know.
Reports on here, some good about a new Asian place there.I would never go to a place responsible for the bust of ERS. And the Asian places popping up are in the police reports as one of the reasons that prompted the bust. They are responsible as is the clientele that went to them and kept them in business. They are flooding the market and squeezing out a lot of good american girl places all over. I hope those that go there are happy with what the end result is. It will be nothing but Asian places. Hope those guys are happy.
Head First
09-18-17, 10:55
The police in Belvidere are just like those in any other town, all they want is to get the maximum pay for the minimum work. Chasing down drug distributors, solving violent crime, things like that take effort. Busting a massage parlour that's been around for about forever? Cheap and easy, what's often called 'low-hanging fruit". And it plays well with both the public and the 'scandal' driven media too. So for them, it's a classic 'win-win'. That it does nothing to make Belvidere a better place to live is secondary, at best.Sad but very true.
I remember the pretty gal with big natural breasts who had great talent using her chin. Good old days.
I remember the pretty gal with big natural breasts who had great talent using her chin. Good old days.Yep, that was Michelle. Really nice girl. ERS was the best.
Yes, one of my favorite providers.
Rocket Dork
10-03-17, 13:46
Yep, that was Michelle. Really nice girl. ERS was the best.Forgot about the chin trick!! She was awesome Rocket Dork.
Mayor Quimby
10-03-17, 17:34
I remember the pretty gal with big natural breasts who had great talent using her chin. Good old days.There must have been more than one that did that. I remember Peggy doing that. Must have been around 20 years ago.
Stopped in Belvidere since the closure of all things that were good in Belvidere and past memories came forth. Michelle and Peggy were the creators of the chin trick And what a trick that was. My best 4 hand massage was with Nicky and Lynn at ERS. Lynn became Jennah at CLV. Hope all going well with all the girls.
Head First
10-03-17, 20:44
Michelle and Peggy were the creators of the chin trick And what a trick that was.I went to ERS a few X back in the day. It was fun but always within the rules. But now I'm hearing about some fun I may have missed out on. What is the chin trick? Can somebody explain.
Stopped in Belvidere since the closure of all things that were good in Belvidere and past memories came forth. Michelle and Peggy were the creators of the chin trick And what a trick that was. My best 4 hand massage was with Nicky and Lynn at ERS. Lynn became Jennah at CLV. Hope all going well with all the girls.I remember all of them. Peggy and Nicky had their own place in Belvidere for a while. Hope they are doing well.
Chicagobob
10-04-17, 12:22
I remember all of them. Peggy and Nicky had their own place in Belvidere for a while. Hope they are doing well.Never saw Peggy or Nicky. Sure miss ERS though. Remembering sessions with Dawn, Tarin and Nina sure gets my blood flowing.
Keep hoping one day to see one of them pop up somewhere. Another parlor, escorting, etc. ! I would lay out some bucks for sure.
Many good times.
Matchstick
10-04-17, 19:13
The last few years that ERS was open I was visiting quite a bit, however I am never good with names. There was a tall blonde, curly long hair with fake 'ums, but just the right size for her frame. Anyhow, I've been beating my brains trying to figure out her name in hopes that she may be working somewhere else. If anyone has any idea who I am speaking about, please reply to this post. Thanks!!
DMichaels69
10-04-17, 21:05
Is this the place with old white women who you sat in a dirty hot tub with and over priced HJ's?
The last few years that ERS was open I was visiting quite a bit, however I am never good with names. There was a tall blonde, curly long hair with fake 'ums, but just the right size for her frame. Anyhow, I've been beating my brains trying to figure out her name in hopes that she may be working somewhere else. If anyone has any idea who I am speaking about, please reply to this post. Thanks!!
Roy Bulgaf
10-04-17, 21:09
Second time there, more of the same. HR offered, more is available. Nice table shower. However, masseuse was a complaining upselling clockwatcher. We were negotiating nude, and came to an impasse. She actually left to talk to the manager, like some car salesman. Complained I was taking too long. 70 hr, 50 tip. Probably will not repeat.
DMichaels69
10-05-17, 11:00
Did SUN move from Morris there. Sounds like the same BS.
Second time there, more of the same. HR offered, more is available. Nice table shower. However, masseuse was a complaining upselling clockwatcher. We were negotiating nude, and came to an impasse. She actually left to talk to the manager, like some car salesman. Complained I was taking too long. 70 hr, 50 tip. Probably will not repeat.
I think the girl you are describing is Jennifer.
The last few years that ERS was open I was visiting quite a bit, however I am never good with names. There was a tall blonde, curly long hair with fake 'ums, but just the right size for her frame. Anyhow, I've been beating my brains trying to figure out her name in hopes that she may be working somewhere else. If anyone has any idea who I am speaking about, please reply to this post. Thanks!!
Matchstick
10-06-17, 17:46
I think the girl you are describing is Jennifer.Yes, you are correct. I knew that if I heard the name I would remember it. Thanks a million!
Now if I can only locate where she is working now. . . If she is still working. . .
Second time there, more of the same. HR offered, more is available. Nice table shower. However, masseuse was a complaining upselling clockwatcher. We were negotiating nude, and came to an impasse. She actually left to talk to the manager, like some car salesman. Complained I was taking too long. 70 hr, 50 tip. Probably will not repeat.I was there a couple of weeks ago. Nice place, but rushed, tipping issues, crabby old bag up front. Haven't been back, no real desire to return.
Second time there, more of the same. HR offered, more is available. Nice table shower. However, masseuse was a complaining upselling clockwatcher. We were negotiating nude, and came to an impasse. She actually left to talk to the manager, like some car salesman. Complained I was taking too long. 70 hr, 50 tip. Probably will not repeat.I have had mixed results in two visits. First time, . 8 house fee, nice table shower, good massage and left completely happy for either $ or $. 2 (I forget.). The second time, drew the same MT as the first time, but here's where it all went off the rails. Paid the house fee, then got the MT switched out. Bait and switched if you like. (I think a regular showed up and asked for the MT in my room.) Enter MT #2. I think this was the one you me. Heavy, spare tire. After the flip, all upsell, all clockwatching. At the 35 minute mark she told me we were done. I complained, having paid for the hour. "Time started when you paid for the massage" was the answer. I said I knew exactly what time it was and then got loud, (not yelling, but loud), demanding some money back. I hoped making a ruckus would unnerve MMS and the folks in the other room. I got. 5 back. I'm probably burned there, but screw it, I'm leaving the area soon anyway. Stay safe, and call BS when you see it.
DMichaels69
10-10-17, 11:10
Hopefully this place will be out of business soon.
I have had mixed results in two visits. First time, . 8 house fee, nice table shower, good massage and left completely happy for either $ or $. 2 (I forget.). The second time, drew the same MT as the first time, but here's where it all went off the rails. Paid the house fee, then got the MT switched out. Bait and switched if you like. (I think a regular showed up and asked for the MT in my room.) Enter MT #2. I think this was the one you me. Heavy, spare tire. After the flip, all upsell, all clockwatching. At the 35 minute mark she told me we were done. I complained, having paid for the hour. "Time started when you paid for the massage" was the answer. I said I knew exactly what time it was and then got loud, (not yelling, but loud), demanding some money back. I hoped making a ruckus would unnerve MMS and the folks in the other room. I got. 5 back. I'm probably burned there, but screw it, I'm leaving the area soon anyway. Stay safe, and call BS when you see it.
The last few years that ERS was open I was visiting quite a bit, however I am never good with names. There was a tall blonde, curly long hair with fake 'ums, but just the right size for her frame. Anyhow, I've been beating my brains trying to figure out her name in hopes that she may be working somewhere else. If anyone has any idea who I am speaking about, please reply to this post. Thanks!!Most are not working anywhere due to fear perhaps.
Is this the place with old white women who you sat in a dirty hot tub with and over priced HJ's?No ERS was a nice clean place full of gorgeous women dressed nicely that treated you well. I think you might be referring to the Asian places.
Just wordering does anyone know the CLV is still open?
Just wordering does anyone know the CLV is still open?CLV was closed down along with ERS last year.
Just wordering does anyone know the CLV is still open?Closed down and busted.
Chicago Monger
10-20-17, 11:37
Did this place just open. This was from BP ad in massage.
Did this place just open. This was from BP ad in massage.No, it's been around for a while now. Across the street from the old CLV.
Well the sentences are handed down, basically told the owner to (slap) don't do this without a license any more. What everyone already knew. If you know how to do a search you all can find the results I'm not going to link it. The website has been taken down. One of these days I'll do some recon and do a road trip and check out the premises. I called and the phone is still active, Thanking us for our support through all this, and stating that they are still working to eventually re-open in the future. I'm sure someone from there is reading our posts, hence thanking us for our support. Maybe there is a way they can get the 500 hours of training required to get a license, or possibly re-open at their original location which was in Genoa City when they started. Who knows. Best of luck to them.I've heard it might reopen further north of Belvidere a couple of years down the line.
Chicago Monger
10-21-17, 00:01
No, it's been around for a while now. Across the street from the old CLV.Any idea of services and the lades?
OldHornDog
11-07-17, 10:11
Anyone have any info on Terri from cest la vie. I would love to see her again. She was the thin 30 ish woman with Sandy blond hair. I really miss seeing her. If you have any info on her please pm me I also have numbers to trade on some fun times in Wisconsin.
Anyone have any info on Terri from cest la vie. I would love to see her again. She was the thin 30 ish woman with Sandy blond hair. I really miss seeing her. If you have any info on her please pm me I also have numbers to trade on some fun times in Wisconsin.I believe she is working at Chantiil Lace in Rockford. Angela from CLV is also working there and using the name Kylie. Liz ex ERS is also there. My favorite from Belvidere was Jennah at CLV. Do you have info about her. Miss her. Belvidere was the best.
Mayor Quimby
11-07-17, 21:11
I believe she is working at Chantiil Lace in Rockford. Angela from CLV is also working there and using the name Kylie. Liz ex ERS is also there. My favorite from Belvidere was Jennah at CLV. Do you have info about her. Miss her. Belvidere was the best.Is that for certain? I spoke with a couple other members who visited Teri at Chantilly. The description is completely different. Teri from CLV was rather tall & very slim, with long legs, A cups, and a perfect little bubble butt. The Teri at Chantilly is shorter, a little stocky & has short legs. This info was shared with by a few other seniors.
If you know otherwise please do share. I'd love to see my all ATF again.
Chicago Monger
11-08-17, 00:14
I believe she is working at Chantiil Lace in Rockford. Angela from CLV is also working there and using the name Kylie. Liz ex ERS is also there. My favorite from Belvidere was Jennah at CLV. Do you have info about her. Miss her. Belvidere was the best.The Teri at Chantilly is a different Teri.
The Teri at Chantilly is a different Teri.How about Teri from chantilly? Anyone know where she is?
The Teri at Chantilly is a different Teri.Yup, the Teri at Chantilly is not the Teri from CLV. The Teri from ClLV was the best! Great lady and a great session every time. Wish I could find her. I sure miss CLV and ERS.
Call Me Booger
11-16-17, 12:33
Holy Cow! I haven't been mongering much lately, but I had some random time to kill, so I hit the Belv AMPs. I knew from reading on here that they have not been that stellar as of late, but I figured WTF. Worse case I'll be out sixty bucks.
I stopped in at the one located downtown, and was greeted by a typical mamasan. But this mamasan was also the masseuse. I passed and headed to the one out near the old Sonic. Greeted by the mamasan and lead to the room. In walks easily a masseuse pushing sixty or early sixties. And was wearing a skimpy dress, with a visible g string, and low cut top. Her hair and make up styled like a young asian. She looked like the typical AMP girl from a FS place. Just plus another 30-40 years.
I took the massage and passed on anything else.
So if you are in to seniors, this town is for you.
Happy Thanksgiving to all the great women who have worked at CLV and ERS over the years. Hope all is well and we all miss you.
Happy Thanksgiving to all the great women who have worked at CLV and ERS over the years. Hope all is well and we all miss you.I second that! Those were some great years in Belvidere. I miss them all and hope they are doing OK.
Bluelava22
11-26-17, 12:28
Happy Thanksgiving to all the great women who have worked at CLV and ERS over the years. Hope all is well and we all miss you.Yes they were great ladies. I mongered there for decades and I've always kept a low profile. My favorite was Sophia from CLV. I wish I knew where she was now!
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