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If our AMP system were made to legalized brothels your $200 visit would become closer to $500-600. Have you ever asked what the rates were in the Reno brothels? Prices are high because now you are covering, taxes, fees, medical costs, and fees for use of these brothels.
Decriminalizing may be a better route. Legalization and regulating the industry is only good for the permitting agency and maybe the owners of the brothels.Fellow Mongers,
Whew, excellent arguments! IMongering exists well outside the little island reaching places like Reno, which is on the to do list. Maybe it is better to be the way it is and at such a discounted rate. I did not realize that prices would soar to 150% more or that the workers would be opposed to taxation. Within my bubble, deciphering legal texts and basic economics I see strengths on both sides of the coin. It is my inference through a broader scope extending to parts of EU that successful models do exist.
The thought of being able to freely play without fear or for the workers to be granted protections would better the scene with more selection and maybe independent services in which it becomes more of a competition for your business thus stabilizing services and the cost. Speaking for myself, I like the thought of the added protection of a provider regularly making sure she's healthy, even if it's on my dime. At the end of the day, this hobby / profession has been kindly referee to "the oldest" and won't be going a at anytime but can we improve it?
Apologies if anyone was offended, I appreciated the insight from the seniors.
Monger On!
If our AMP system were made to legalized brothels your $200 visit would become closer to $500-600. Have you ever asked what the rates were in the Reno brothels? Prices are high because now you are covering, taxes, fees, medical costs, and fees for use of these brothels.
Decriminalizing may be a better route. Legalization and regulating the industry is only good for the permitting agency and maybe the owners of the brothels.Absolutely right, re: rates. That also cuts a lot of the current girls working in AMPs because they wouldn't be able to produce the right paperwork to work and those mamasans running the places would be out of a job.
I agree decriminalization would be a better route, but I stand by my statements re: law enforcement and federal grants / bribes. The hysteria over "human trafficking" guarantees counterarguments won't be listed to.
So let's play ball. Hawaii institutes a legalized prostituion model. Let's say it's based on nevada's model. It'll be far away from everywhere, because Hawaii loves zoning laws and even in Nevada, those brothels are in pretty remote locations, far from bars, schools, parks or anything that might corrupt anyone who doesn't think people actually have sex. Let's say Makaha or Waimanalo — but they'll be far apart because of those laws.
The state's only allowed three licenses. Applicants have to submit a $50,000 appllcation fee and show they have $1. 3 million in assets. An anonymous panel decided on who reviewed those licenses. (See how the medical marijuana disarms are licenses were decided on and you'll understand where I'm coming from.) Was this panel paid off? Some people grumble and say yes.
Want to visit a girl? Well, there's a set menu for everything. FS starts at about $500. None of the girls are the ones you know, because since this is all legal, they need to prove they're legal to work in the US. Matbe they're local. Maybe they're from the mainland. It's a pretty sure bet they aren't FOBs from Asia.
You do the deed with the girl. Everything's covered. You lean in for a kiss. She deflects and says if you try it again, she'll call the cops and have you arrested for violating health codes and sex assault. She points to a camera. It's to make sure she doesn't violate health codes by doing anything bare.
Does the girl keep all the money? Of course not. Half goes to the house. Plus she has to play for the room. She's probably living on premises so she's paying for room and board too. It's like having a pimp, only, you know, legal.
Now, how exactly is this model better for us?
Essentially if the scene became legit it would commit suicide.
Everybody looses. LEO, workers, mamas, mongers.
Funny how that would pan out.
To be absolutely clear, $$ is good. Happy with that.
Cosmic Kid
08-09-16, 23:45
Absolutely right, re: rates. That also cuts a lot of the current girls working in AMPs because they wouldn't be able to produce the right paperwork to work and those mamasans running the places would be out of a job.
I agree decriminalization would be a better route, but I stand by my statements re: law enforcement and federal grants / bribes. The hysteria over "human trafficking" guarantees counterarguments won't be listed to.
So let's play ball. Hawaii institutes a legalized prostituion model. Let's say it's based on nevada's model. It'll be far away from everywhere, because Hawaii loves zoning laws and even in Nevada, those brothels are in pretty remote locations. Let's say Makaha or Waimanalo.
The state's only allowed three licenses. Applicants have to submit a $50,000 appllcation fee and show they have $1. 3 million in assets. An anonymous panel decided on who reviewed those licenses. (See how the medical marijuana disarms are licenses were decided on and you'll understand where I'm coming from.) Was this panel paid off? Some people grumble and say yes.
Want to visit a girl? Well, there's a set menu for everything. FS starts at about $500. None of the girls are the ones you know, because since this is all legal, they need to prove they're legal to work in the US. Matbe they're local. Maybe they're from the mainland. It's a pretty sure bet they aren't FOBs from Asia.
You do the deed with the girl. Everything's covered. You lean in for a kiss. She deflects and says if you try it again, she'll call the cops and have you arrested for violating health codes and sex assault. She points to a camera. It's to make sure she doesn't violate health codes by doing anything bare.
Does the girl keep all the money? Of course not. Half goes to the house. Plus she has to play for the room. She's probably living on premises so she's paying for room and board too. It's like having a pimp, only, you know, legal.
Now, how exactly is this model better for us?"Let's say Makaha or Waimanalo. " Hey, you know what, Brah? Let's NOT say Makaha! NIMBY, Brah! Traffic already getting more worse out Leeward Oahu by the week, what with steady increase in development both on the Waianae Coast as well as on the Eva Plain. No attempt has been made to develop road infrastructure improvements to keep up with the increase in population on the west side. We get almost daily traffic jams through the bottleneck that is Nanakuli now. And you want to shut down the AMPs and indies in town and have every horny swinging dick from the rest of the island driving out west clogging up Farrington Hwy? Don't even THINK about it!
Let's NOT say Makaha! NIMBY, Brah! Right. One more reason why legalization won't work here NIMBY. Lots of space to put a brothel in the middle of nowhere, Nevada. It's literally a desert.
Not so much on Oahu.
Brothel owners would be tied up in court for years before they could even open because of the neighborhood opposition.
(Recently, I was shocked and mortified to learn that Team USA basketball players -- fine gentlemen of the highest character who serve as role models for millions of kids! -- had been photographed inside a Brazilian brothel. However, I breathed a sigh of relief when I learned that their visit to the brothel was accidental. Plus, a few days later the players visited Rio's famous giant "Christ the Redeemer" statue, which reassured me of their exemplary moral standards.)
If only there was a gold medal for excuses! The embarrassing moment Team USA basketball stars found themselves in a Rio brothel "that they thought was a spa".
The newly emerged photo appears to show USA men's team player (name deleted) and other players in Termas Monte Carlo, a "high-end brothel" in the Olympic city.
According to reports, (name deleted) and at least two other members of the team were spotted in the fake "spa" on Wednesday night.
The men may have been joined by another three players, though this has not been confirmed.
According to TMZ, the gentlemen's club presents itself as a spa, and staff have been instructed to give callers that line.
The only indication of the shop's true purpose is when callers are told that it is for men only, and stocks a full bar.
The basketball team says the players took staff at their word and didn't realize what they were walking into until they arrived.
The brothel, near Copacabana Beach, officially markets itself as a spa and staff do not mention its true purpose over the phone.
A source told TMZ: "They realized it wasn't the right place for them and immediately left".
Speaking to the press Sunday, team captain Carmelo Anthony said: "What's done is done. We have time off and guys did what they did. We accept those responsibilities and move on".
Images from inside the club appear to show (name deleted) hanging out by the bar, while (name deleted) stands with a girl who appears to have her arms wrapped around his waist.
Sources from the club say that the men paid for drinks while inside, but nothing else.
(Recently, I was shocked and mortified to learn that Team USA basketball players -- fine gentlemen of the highest character who serve as role models for millions of kids! -- had been photographed inside a Brazilian brothel. However, I breathed a sigh of relief when I learned that their visit to the brothel was accidental. Plus, a few days later the players visited Rio's famous giant "Christ the Redeemer" statue, which reassured me of their exemplary moral standards.)
The sad thing is that those female athletes in the Olympic village are DTF. Do they not know how many rubbers they bring for the event? (Apparently not, I guess.).
The sad thing is that those female athletes in the Olympic village are DTF. Do they not know how many rubbers they bring for the event? (Apparently not, I guess.).The athletes are all DTF, but for the US basketball team, they don't need to have a paternity suit, child support. Just go and see a pro.
The athletes are all DTF, but for the US basketball team, they don't need to have a paternity suit, child support. Just go and see a pro.Pretty sure Zika is a pretty strong incentive to take that Plan B. Besides, these are professional athletes the last thing they want / need is a parasitic tumor leeching the calcium from their bones and protein from their muscle in their prime earning / performance years and putting them out for nine months with no guarantee they'll get back to their previous shape.
(Recently, I was shocked and mortified to learn that Team USA basketball players -- fine gentlemen of the highest character who serve as role models for millions of kids! -- had been photographed inside a Brazilian brothel. However, I breathed a sigh of relief when I learned that their visit to the brothel was accidental. Plus, a few days later the players visited Rio's famous giant "Christ the Redeemer" statue, which reassured me of their exemplary moral standards.) I actually thought it was funny how this visit to a brothel was deemed newsworthy and even resulted in a public statement from the captain of the basketball team. Of course, brothel visits don't fit with the conformist image that Team USA's huge corporate sponsors like Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Visa, etc., want to project. Personally, I would love to see a Team USA basketball star appear on the front of a Wheaties "Breakfast of Champions" cereal box with his arm around a sexy hooker, but it's not going to happen, lol.
Essentially if the scene became legit it would commit suicide.
Everybody looses. LEO, workers, mamas, mongers.
Funny how that would pan out.
To be absolutely clear, $$ is good. Happy with that.Here are two examples of how legalization won't work:
Taxi drivers complained Uber needs to be regulated just as they are. So, a bill was introduced in the council to do just that. It was rediculous so both taxi and Uber people testified against it. It passed anyway.
The state has legalized marijuana for medical use but just recently Ige signed a bill outlawing drug paraphernalia. So you can legally possess an ounce of pot but you can't own the tools needed to use it. WTF?
Here are two examples of how legalization won't work:
Taxi drivers complained Uber needs to be regulated just as they are. So, a bill was introduced in the council to do just that. It was rediculous so both taxi and Uber people testified against it. It passed anyway.
The state has legalized marijuana for medical use but just recently Ige signed a bill outlawing drug paraphernalia. So you can legally possess an ounce of pot but you can't own the tools needed to use it. WTF?The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help. ".
Not saying it's always true. But in Hawaii, it's true more often than not just because of how one-party the politics are here.
(And really, our current governor is the biggest tool ever.).
Wonder which one of his hoes is going bail him out. Hope she show up on time.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/12/alleged-pimp-indicted-accused-of-beating-prostitute-who-wanted-to-quit/
Wonder which one of his hoes is going bail him out. Hope she show up on time.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/12/alleged-pimp-indicted-accused-of-beating-prostitute-who-wanted-to-quit/Bail is half-million dollars.
Bench Warmer
08-13-16, 06:53
(And really, our current governor is the biggest tool ever.).Is it just me or does he sound like a Muppet character?
Bail is half-million dollars.Yep.
His dumb ass didn't think his business plan out to well. Whooping ass for the cash might not be the best plan in the long run.
Is it just me or does he sound like a Muppet character?It's not just you.
Happy Seeker 8
08-15-16, 03:46
Wonder which one of his hoes is going bail him out. Hope she show up on time.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/12/alleged-pimp-indicted-accused-of-beating-prostitute-who-wanted-to-quit/It's amazing how a place surrounded by water, can't explain how illegal stuff gets here? Weapons-fireworks etc.
Or, things like-Where are all these stolen cars going?
But, how easy it is to catch someone trying to flee? OR? (how hard it is to get off this rock if your trying to flee?
I actually thought it was funny how this visit to a brothel was deemed newsworthy and even resulted in a public statement from the captain of the basketball team. Of course, brothel visits don't fit with the conformist image that Team USA's huge corporate sponsors like Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Visa, etc., want to project. Personally, I would love to see a Team USA basketball star appear on the front of a Wheaties "Breakfast of Champions" cereal box with his arm around a sexy hooker, but it's not going to happen, lol.Ha!
Should have seen back in the day with the NFL players and Femme Nu.
Not newsworthy, for sure, but I seen what I seen inside the club. Money = power.
Ha!
Should have seen back in the day with the NFL players and Femme Nu.
Not newsworthy, for sure, but I seen what I seen inside the club. Money = power.Well it's not like these girls are running a charity.
Bench Warmer
08-18-16, 05:36
I'm wondering if any of the infected people turns out to be a provider. That could explain some of the 30% of cases that didn't dine at genki sushi. Instead they dine at the O. I wonder if department of health can make that connection.
I always said DATO is a good way to catch Hepatitis A and B. C is blood borne so little chance for that.
I always said DATO is a good way to catch Hepatitis A and B. C is blood borne so little chance for that.I was somewhat concerned about the same thing in light of the recent outbreak. Recently, I didn't DATO one of my go-to girls, and I usually always DATO her. At the end of the session, she asked why I didn't DATO her this time. I quickly changed the subject.
Anyway, I've since been vaccinated for Hep A but need to go back in six months for the booster shot for complete protection.
I got vaccinated for HepA, too. For those wanting the vaccination, call around before going down. Some places are tapped out, others have very long lines. My doc sent the scrip to the pharmacy for me and there was no wait.
Bench Warmer
08-18-16, 18:02
I got vaccinated for both hepatitis A and B so I can DATO all I want. Chee huu!
I was somewhat concerned about the same thing in light of the recent outbreak. Recently, I didn't DATO one of my go-to girls, and I usually always DATO her. At the end of the session, she asked why I didn't DATO her this time. I quickly changed the subject.
Anyway, I've since been vaccinated for Hep A but need to go back in six months for the booster shot for complete protection.
Braddahs,
For those who have HMSA and are not retired, consult the medical side of your coverage. It'll make the process go a lot faster- and. If you see your doctor first.
Those who are retired / have Medicare part D. Call your silver script / Akamai advantage HMSA and they'll advise you from there.
Stay safe, make good choices,
Braddah H.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/19/lyft-drivers-arrested-for-operating-at-honolulu-airport-without-permit/
Two Lyft drivers have been arrested for operating at Honolulu International Airport without proper permits.
The offense is considered a misdemeanor under Hawaii law.
Antonino Quito and Kathryn Xian, an activist who ran for USA Congress two years ago, were arrested by investigators with the Department of the Attorney General in what sources describe as a sting operation.
Sources tell us that their passengers were actually undercover officers for the state. Once they were picked up, the drivers were then handcuffed, their cell phones confiscated, and they were booked at the state Sheriff's office.
They were not charged, and instead released pending further investigation.
In the past, violators were issued citations. So what prompted the change?
A spokesman says it was part of a Department of Transportation operation, triggered by multiple complaints that the violation was still occurring.
Hawaii Administrative Rule § 19-20.1-3 states that:
Any person providing any of the commercial services specified in section 19-20.1-1 in or at a public airport shall do so only upon receipt of a permit or other written authorization from the director which shall be issued upon payment of the applicable fees. A permit shall not be assigned or otherwise transferred. A permit shall not be issued to applicants who are in arrears in the payment of taxes, fees or other charges to state agencies.
Lyft issued the following statement in response:
"Lyft continues to work with policy-makers and administrators on laws and rules that affect airport pick-ups. In many areas of the country, Lyft works with communities and law enforcement to ensure that everyone is provided with safe transportation when using transportation network companies. ".
Always Investigating broke the story in June when Uber unblocked its app which allowed passengers to call for pickups at the airport illegally. That prompted an outcry from drivers who carry costly airport permits.
Taxis, shuttles and car services can only legally pick up fares at Hawaii airports if they have Public Utilities Commission (PUC) ground transportation licenses, airport permits, and meet customers only at the designated curbs.
"I'm actually happy to hear it," said Matt Wetzel, an Uber commercial driver who has the permits required to pick up passengers at the airport. He says too many drivers without permits are getting away with breaking the law.
"I've watched my income drop by probably two-thirds since Uber opened up the airport to non-commercial drivers," he said.
"So this is the right thing to actually arrest them?" KHON2 asked.
"Yeah, I believe so," Wetzel replied. "Unless there are significant penalties for violations, people are going to continue to ignore it. If you give them a slap on the wrist, they're going to keep on coming back. ".
The maximum penalty for the misdemeanor violation is up to a year in jail and a $2,000 fine.
Thanks braddah H. So what, you work HMSA customer service? No wonder you can monger before during and after work. All the AMPs stay in your backyard.
Braddahs,
For those who have HMSA and are not retired, consult the medical side of your coverage. It'll make the process go a lot faster- and. If you see your doctor first.
Those who are retired / have Medicare part D. Call your silver script / Akamai advantage HMSA and they'll advise you from there.
Stay safe, make good choices,
Braddah H.
I got vaccinated for both hepatitis A and B so I can DATO all I want. Chee huu!I no like burst your bubble, but get C, which is deadly.
LMAO.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/19/lyft-drivers-arrested-for-operating-at-honolulu-airport-without-permit/
LMAO.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/19/lyft-drivers-arrested-for-operating-at-honolulu-airport-without-permit/LOL can you say K-A-are-M-A haha.
Two Lyft drivers have been arrested for operating at Honolulu International Airport without proper permits.
The offense is considered a misdemeanor under Hawaii law.
XXXXXXXX XXXXX and Kathryn Xian, an activist who ran for USA Congress two years ago, were arrested by investigators with the Department of the Attorney General in what sources describe as a sting operation.Thanks for that news report, I didn't previously know that Kathryn Xian is a Lyft driver. I wonder what she did when customers asked for pick up at or delivery to hostess bars, strip clubs, relaxation places, massage parlors and any other businesses that in her opinion "exploit" women. My guess would be that she probably chose money over personal principles, lol.
I no like burst your bubble, but get C, which is deadly.Correct. As Benchwarmer noted, it is bloodborne. There are diagnostic tests that examine for blood in the stool; the blood may not and need not be readily visible (hence the specific tests). So, there could be traces of blood in the DATO area such as from micro tears in her rectal tissues (those that are 'normal' or from anal sex), any polyps in her intestines, etc.
With a disease like that, IMHO "any much is too much" re: the concentration.
Careful, all.
Thanks for that news report, I didn't previously know that Kathryn Xian is a Lyft driver. I wonder what she did when customers asked for pick up at or delivery to hostess bars, strip clubs, relaxation places, massage parlors and any other businesses that in her opinion "exploit" women. My guess would be that she probably chose money over personal principles, lol.Stereotype alert! Frank DeLima would sing a song about being Pake.
Island Guy808
08-20-16, 17:17
I no like burst your bubble, but get C, which is deadly.There is no vaccination for HEP C.
IG.
There is no vaccination for HEP C.
IG.Correct, but there are antiviral medicines for the treatment of HepC.
-aka "Doc"
AwabiHunter
08-20-16, 20:06
Thanks for that news report, I didn't previously know that Kathryn Xian is a Lyft driver. I wonder what she did when customers asked for pick up at or delivery to hostess bars, strip clubs, relaxation places, massage parlors and any other businesses that in her opinion "exploit" women. My guess would be that she probably chose money over personal principles, lol.Yeah I was blowing when I seen it on the news, she needs to supplement her income I guess, it would be hilarious as hell if one of us got it her car and started talking crazy about hammering Nani here and there and everywhere she would probably snap.
Stereotype alert! Frank DeLima would sing a song about being Pake.While in a dress.
Correct, but there are antiviral medicines for the treatment of HepC.
-aka "Doc"There is a recent cute. One course is about $80,000. It has 90% efficacy, but HMSA won't cover unless you at in extreme high risk of dying. Move to another country like India. Only costs about 2 Gs for the same drug. That's US pharma for you.
Yeah I was blowing when I seen it on the news, she needs to supplement her income I guess, it would be hilarious as hell if one of us got it her car and started talking crazy about hammering Nani here and there and everywhere she would probably snap.We should all sign up for lyft and have us bring us to an AMP. If she starts to ramble about her "fight" just reply "*****! Do you want to get paid?" LOL.
There is a recent cute. One course is about $80,000. It has 90% efficacy, but HMSA won't cover unless you at in extreme high risk of dying. Move to another country like India. Only costs about 2 Gs for the same drug. That's US pharma for you.For HMSA to cover you, you must be diagnosed as stage 3 HCV. If you are a woman in child bearing age, you can qualify at stage 2, but HMSA can always deny it. Harvoni is about $95 k for a 12 month treatment, and has about 95% efficacy depending on genotype. Other than Harvoni, there is Viekira pak for HCV treatment.
We should all sign up for lyft and have us bring us to an AMP. If she starts to ramble about her "fight" just reply "*****! Do you want to get paid?" LOL.Giving a driver a poor rating is damaging to their continued employment.
Don't know about Lyft, but I've read letting your rating slip to 4. 6 stars is usually cause for Uber to drop someone as a driver.
Went to see Sausage Party the other night. Great one liners and funny. There were times it dragged but the end was hilarious. Go check it out (without kids or the SO that can't laugh). Classic.
"Look at these oll'buns waiting to get filled with my meat".
Idusixtyning
08-21-16, 22:14
I got vaccinated for both hepatitis A and B so I can DATO all I want. Chee huu!
I no like burst your bubble, but get C, which is deadly.
Correct. As Benchwarmer noted, it is bloodborne. There are diagnostic tests that examine for blood in the stool; the blood may not and need not be readily visible (hence the specific tests). So, there could be traces of blood in the DATO area such as from micro tears in her rectal tissues (those that are 'normal' or from anal sex), any polyps in her intestines, etc.
With a disease like that, IMHO "any much is too much" re: the concentration.
Careful, all.I'm sure anyone doing DATO is going to be doing DATY too. There's always a chance that you might get a girl just at the beginning or end of her period and get exposed to some blood there. Just be aware and be selective of the girls.
Went to see Sausage Party the other night. Great one liners and funny. There were times it dragged but the end was hilarious. Go check it out (without kids or the SO that can't laugh). Classic.
"Look at these oll'buns waiting to get filled with my meat".Yeah that movie really isn't for kids or even teens for that matter. "Just the tip" haha.
Lop Chong Man
08-22-16, 04:44
Went to see Sausage Party the other night. Great one liners and funny. There were times it dragged but the end was hilarious. Go check it out (without kids or the SO that can't laugh). Classic.
"Look at these oll'buns waiting to get filled with my meat".Seth Rogen is hilarious!
Had full movie on YouTube. https://youtu.be/2AMcQ25h6Ps.
Enjoy and b safe!
Bench Warmer
08-22-16, 04:54
I'm sure anyone doing DATO is going to be doing DATY too. There's always a chance that you might get a girl just at the beginning or end of her period and get exposed to some blood there. Just be aware and be selective of the girls.I guess we got to carry a pen light and look for yellow eyes. Ha ha. And you guys think I'm paranoid!
Thanks braddah H. So what, you work HMSA customer service? No wonder you can monger before during and after work. All the AMPs stay in your backyard.VAQTA.
Inquire about it.
Lots of doctors offices quoting shortages, check with your doctor first. People deemed "high risk" will almost automatically get their prescription covered, of course, based upon your health coverage / insurance.
H.
Giving a driver a poor rating is damaging to their continued employment.
Don't know about Lyft, but I've read letting your rating slip to 4. 6 stars is usually cause for Uber to drop someone as a driver.She tries to get laws changed to get the mp customers busted, but instead she gets busted for violating the taxi drivers at the airport. Is that karma on her!
An article in the Star-Advertiser today reports that two of the recent hepatitis A victims, who appeared to be in normal health beforehand, now "are so gravely ill" that they are on a waiting list for liver transplants.
She tries to get laws changed to get the mp customers busted, but instead she gets busted for violating the taxi drivers at the airport. Is that karma on her!If she ever runs for Congress again, now she will probably receive even less than the 2.6 percent of the votes that she received in 2014, lol.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaking-news/3-arrested-for-allegedly-running-prostitution-business-in-pawaa/
Stay safe Gents!
Poi Dog.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaking-news/3-arrested-for-allegedly-running-prostitution-business-in-pawaa/
Stay safe Gents!
Poi Dog.Wow braddah poi dog long time no see!
But yup. Like he said. Fellow mongers, stay clear of the A. Why. Wong building for a while; the heat came down last night and now whistle blowers (an ugly middle aged white woman no less LOL) publicly stated she wishes all of the establishments in the building would be thoroughly investigated and checked if their business is actually legit.
Stay safe out there.
H.
Wow braddah poi dog long time no see!
But yup. Like he said. Fellow mongers, stay clear of the A. Why. Wong building for a while; the heat came down last night and now whistle blowers (an ugly middle aged white woman no less LOL) publicly stated she wishes all of the establishments in the building would be thoroughly investigated and checked if their business is actually legit.
Stay safe out there.
H.Yah, I would agree. Could be hot for a little bit!
Wow braddah poi dog long time no see!
But yup. Like he said. Fellow mongers, stay clear of the A. Why. Wong building for a while; the heat came down last night and now whistle blowers (an ugly middle aged white woman no less LOL) publicly stated she wishes all of the establishments in the building would be thoroughly investigated and checked if their business is actually legit.
Stay safe out there.
H.To be fair, that building's been ripe for some kind of crackdown for a long time now you could also argue that it's not unlike the old Ward Whoreplex, except there's a lot more AMPs operating out of the building than the Whoreplex ever did. If I were someone who had the means and the connections to open an AMP, that would be the last place I'd want to open, even if there wasn't a bust.
But I'd have to agree with others who said someone didn't get paid off. I'd also venture to guess the HPD is going to use the "human trafficking" law as a means to extract even more money out of AMPs. Wouldn't be surprised if they used the law to start squeezing pimps too (see the recent arrest and the first use of the law on a pimp). Saying you can protect someone from a felony charge must be worth a lot.
Someone else mentioned that it was interesting that Gogo was targeted, given the number of girls who are legal or at least, it's safe to assume they're legal that work there. Again, makes me think it has to do with protection money. I have no doubt we'll be hearing things about "human trafficking" over the next few months, with the usual suspects (including a certain former want to-be politician who was arrested herself for picking up fares from the airport) chiming in on something they know nothing about.
Keep this in mind when it comes to "human trafficking" "The George W. Bush administration set up 42 Justice Department task forces and spent some $150 million trying to find women and girls forced into prostitution, reported The Washington Post. Over seven years, these efforts produced only 148 prosecutions. " http://reason.com/archives/2015/08/27/outlawing-prostitution-is-a-crime.
Shengnu888
08-25-16, 19:51
Been reading the report on Rob Perezs article on Hawaii's Finest. Don't seem fine to me. Too many officers getting away with slaps on the wrists.
Unfortunately, one of the three people referenced in the news reports about the GoGo Spa arrests/prosecution is a female forum member and famous deep-throater, Leilani.
Unfortunately, one of the three people referenced in the news reports about the GoGo Spa arrests/prosecution is a female forum member and famous deep-throater, Leilani.http://khon2.com/2016/08/25/2-women-man-arrested-for-allegedly-operating-prostitution/
They clarified that 2 were the owners and Leilani was a worker. Her bail is set lower than the other two. Apparently they busted a pro during pro bowl weekend back in January and she gave Gogo Spa up. "Additional investigations into other massage parlors could lead to more arrests. " Yikes!
Just heard on KOHN2 this evening, more busts are coming. I was going to go to Happieness tomorrow, but not now. Stay safe out there.
Just heard on KOHN2 this evening, more busts are coming. I was going to go to Happieness tomorrow, but not now. Stay safe out there.They always say more busts are coming.
I do expect a lot of girls to suddenly go on vacation.
Been reading the report on Rob Perezs article on Hawaii's Finest. Don't seem fine to me. Too many officers getting away with slaps on the wrists."Nevermind how fucked up our house is, here's some prostitution busts!
http://www.kitv.com/clip/12687796/honolulu-massage-parlor-part-of-prostitution-bust
I guess I haven't been keeping up but at the end of the clip they showed Empire and said they arrested the owners, as to the reason the shut down. Bummers.
http://www.kitv.com/clip/12687796/honolulu-massage-parlor-part-of-prostitution-bust
I guess I haven't been keeping up but at the end of the clip they showed Empire and said they arrested the owners, as to the reason the shut down. Bummers.Wow. They showed Yoyo's mug shot when talking about Mayflower but they don't show "the owners of Empire" which they claim they were indicted and arrested. Trippy seeing the Empire building on the news, though.
RoadRally2
08-26-16, 03:41
"Nevermind how fucked up our house is, here's some prostitution busts!Yup lets try make hpd look good! No way anyone can ever doubt or question our authority. We bust crime. We also shoot bar girls, throw chairs at people in game rooms, beat our girlfriends, and let's not get started on the chief. But HPD the saintly organization there to fight crime.
Yup lets try make hpd look good! No way anyone can ever doubt or question our authority. We bust crime. We also shoot bar girls, throw chairs at people in game rooms, beat our girlfriends, and let's not get started on the chief. But HPD the saintly organization there to fight crime.HPD, police thyself.
Did anyone else notice that at yesterday's press conference, the prosecutor indicated that the GoGo Spa prosecution has also been assisted by the cooperation of "johns" (male prostitution customers)? Do massage and relaxation businesses in Honolulu now need to worry about the risk of some customers providing evidence against them, presumably for those customers to gain some benefit for themselves?
Did anyone else notice that at yesterday's press conference, the prosecutor indicated that the GoGo Spa prosecution has also been assisted by the cooperation of "johns" (male prostitution customers)? Do massage and relaxation businesses in Honolulu now need to worry about the risk of some customers providing evidence against them, presumably for those customers to gain some benefit for themselves?The thing that worries me is Kanashiro said there more bust to come and it's election year and every time election year they raid the mps. I'm sure there will be more raids this year.
Did anyone else notice that at yesterday's press conference, the prosecutor indicated that the GoGo Spa prosecution has also been assisted by the cooperation of "johns" (male prostitution customers)? Do massage and relaxation businesses in Honolulu now need to worry about the risk of some customers providing evidence against them, presumably for those customers to gain some benefit for themselves?My guess would be that the "johns" were scooped up in arrests and offered deals if they flipped. It could also be that it was mentioned to spread FUD among boards like these and among the AMPs. No one knows who to trust, so the AMPs stop trusting anyone and we stop talking to each other.
Lying and setting people up against each other is a completely legal interrogation tactic the police use. Wouldn't be too much of a stretch if that's happening here.
Did anyone else notice that at yesterday's press conference, the prosecutor indicated that the GoGo Spa prosecution has also been assisted by the cooperation of "johns" (male prostitution customers)? Do massage and relaxation businesses in Honolulu now need to worry about the risk of some customers providing evidence against them, presumably for those customers to gain some benefit for themselves?Where did he find these johns who are so willing to testify? I haven't read of any arrests lately. Kaneshiro is making this stuff up.
Where did he find these johns who are so willing to testify? I haven't read of any arrests lately. Kaneshiro is making this stuff up.
My guess would be that the "johns" were scooped up in arrests and offered deals if they flipped. It could also be that it was mentioned to spread FUD among boards like these and among the AMPs. No one knows who to trust, so the AMPs stop trusting anyone and we stop talking to each other.
Lying and setting people up against each other is a completely legal interrogation tactic the police use. Wouldn't be too much of a stretch if that's happening here.It seems that there may be three possibilities for how the authorities could have obtained cooperation from "johns". First, they could perhaps be guys who were caught for prostitution activity (or other illegal activity) at other locations, and offered a deal to serve as informants for the GoGo Spa case and potentially other prostitution-related cases. Second, maybe the police could have stopped some GoGo Spa customers (especially those who appeared vulnerable to intimidation) after they left the vicinity of GoGo Spa, and threatened them with arrest/prosecution unless they cooperated. Third, the authorities might have obtained records for GoGo Spa credit card transactions, and then contacted some of the credit card users and threatened them with arrest/prosecution unless they cooperated.
Unfortunately, one of the three people referenced in the news reports about the GoGo Spa arrests/prosecution is a female forum member and famous deep-throater, Leilani.Could be she busted and that she decided to cooperate with le and to give them info about houses becasue she is jealous she doesn't get much appt like they get?
Also, could her (leialni) account be comprimised by le? Just saying if this is true about her?
Honolulu808
08-26-16, 23:09
Did anyone else notice that at yesterday's press conference, the prosecutor indicated that the GoGo Spa prosecution has also been assisted by the cooperation of "johns" (male prostitution customers)? Do massage and relaxation businesses in Honolulu now need to worry about the risk of some customers providing evidence against them, presumably for those customers to gain some benefit for themselves?It could also be contributors to this forum that turn states evidence.
But it's a whole different charge the prosecutors are looking for from johns testimonies. They are looking for felony charges not misdemeanor sex charges.
Be careful, we are being watched.
It could also be contributors to this forum that turn states evidence.
But it's a whole different charge the prosecutors are looking for from johns testimonies. They are looking for felony charges not misdemeanor sex charges.
Be careful, we are being watched.When I lived in LA I got to know an indie escort who was very popular. There were pages of reviews on her on another site. One day she stopped answering my calls and when she did, she told me the Incall she, and the girls she worked with, had been raised. She was the most popular of the girls and when they booked her and started asking questions, she said the LAPD had all her reviews printed up and they knew exactly who she was.
Second: I knew someone who worked at a porn company that had been busted for obscenity. She said the day the Feds rolled in, they knew who was working, who called in sick and where everyone was supposed to be in the office. They also knew everything about them.
So yeah, we are being watched. But that's probably been the case for a long time.
It seems that there may be three possibilities for how the authorities could have obtained cooperation from "johns". First, they could perhaps be guys who were caught for prostitution activity (or other illegal activity) at other locations, and offered a deal to serve as informants for the GoGo Spa case and potentially other prostitution-related cases. Second, maybe the police could have stopped some GoGo Spa customers (especially those who appeared vulnerable to intimidation) after they left the vicinity of GoGo Spa, and threatened them with arrest/prosecution unless they cooperated. Third, the authorities might have obtained records for GoGo Spa credit card transactions, and then contacted some of the credit card users and threatened them with arrest/prosecution unless they cooperated.If they were serious about getting Intel about Gogo, it was probably a combination of the three. Credit card records would tell them who to keep an eye out for, and once they were on the road, they could pull them over for any number of traffic violations. If they find something in the car, there's your leverage. Or more likely, they say they'll bring them in on some charge related to prostituion and they'll make sure everyone knows — especially a spouse — but if you help us out, you can leave in tonight.
Even if you aren't married, being in the system can jam you up. You could wait for days to be arraigned, and even if you had the money to make bail, there's not too many employers who would be ok with you being gone that long, especially for being locked up.
HNN is reporting a cop accused of letting a prostitute walk in exchange for sex is having the charges filed against him dropped.
The prostitute is reported to have helped the prosecutor's office in the Gogo case.
Hopefully the defense attorney the guys at Gogo hire can get the whole case thrown out and give the prosecutor's office another embarrassing loss.
The HPD and the prosecutor's office is a joke. Their corruption knows no bounds and shame.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32852221/hpd-officer-accused-of-bribing-hooker-will-not-face-criminal-charges
Never use your personal phone to make your appts or bring near the establishment I say. Whomever posted before about using an app, silly. Probably uncle setting you guys up again. With next week vips I am almost certain it will be up and running. For emergency communication. *cough*. Well best not be part of any dirt collecting next week.
HNN is reporting a cop accused of letting a prostitute walk in exchange for sex is having the charges filed against him dropped.
The prostitute is reported to have helped the prosecutor's office in the Gogo case.
Hopefully the defense attorney the guys at Gogo hire can get the whole case thrown out and give the prosecutor's office another embarrassing loss.
The HPD and the prosecutor's office is a joke. Their corruption knows no bounds and shame.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32852221/hpd-officer-accused-of-bribing-hooker-will-not-face-criminal-chargesSeriously! Or be a undercover for hpd? Cause the law in the state of hawaii allows it!
Part of there job.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/25/2-women-man-arrested-for-allegedly-operating-prostitution/
They clarified that 2 were the owners and Leilani was a worker. Her bail is set lower than the other two. Apparently they busted a pro during pro bowl weekend back in January and she gave Gogo Spa up. "Additional investigations into other massage parlors could lead to more arrests. " Yikes!Was out of town and missed the news on what went down. Thanks for the 411 and various insights to the Gogo Spa bust! I'm sure LE wants to intimidate AMPs and. Mongers about additional arrest. B Safe.
HNN is reporting a cop accused of letting a prostitute walk in exchange for sex is having the charges filed against him dropped.
The prostitute is reported to have helped the prosecutor's office in the Gogo case.
Hopefully the defense attorney the guys at Gogo hire can get the whole case thrown out and give the prosecutor's office another embarrassing loss.
The HPD and the prosecutor's office is a joke. Their corruption knows no bounds and shame.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32852221/hpd-officer-accused-of-bribing-hooker-will-not-face-criminal-chargesExcept for the fact that it's our tax dollars being pissed away, it's almost comical watching them constantly step on their own toes.
So this is what happened to Empire. Was that dude who was always there one of these young owners? Lu Liu?
Racketeering law trips up Go Go Spa http://www.staradvertiser.com/?p=603030.
Honolulu Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro says this week's indictment and arrests of the alleged owners and an employee of a Pawaa massage parlor is part of his department's latest effort to crack down on prostitution by going after the people who profit from it, instead of prostitutes.
Kaneshiro says Rickey Lee Shankles, 52, and Katherine Luo, 54, own Go Go Spa at 1507 S. King St. And that Katchina Moore, 41, is an employee. All three were indicted and arrested Wednesday on state racketeering charges for their association with a business involved in prostitution.
The indictment and arrests were the culmination of a joint operation involving the Honolulu Department of the Prosecuting Attorney, the Honolulu Police Department and the investigations arm of the USA Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The federal investigation is ongoing, said Homeland Security Investigations Special Agent in Charge Joanna IP.
Kaneshiro said the case started when a prostitute who worked at Go Go Spa decided to cooperate with authorities following her arrest for prostitution in January. He said investigators from the state Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs confirmed the prostitute's information.
Go Go Spa isn't the first massage business that Kaneshiro has gone after using the state racketeering law.
An Oahu grand jury indicted Lu Liu and Fangchao Liu on racketeering charges in May. Kaneshiro says prostitutes who worked at Empire Relaxation, 436 Ena Road, and are cooperating with law enforcement identified Fangchao Liu, 32, as the owner of the business and Lu Liu, 35, as the manager.
A previous grand jury indicted Biyu Situ, 47, and Wei Li on racketeering charges following a raid on Mayflower Massage in June 2015. Situ is the registered owner of Mayflower, which had been operating in Century Center. Kaneshiro said Situ identified Li as the person who brought women from China to work as prostitutes in USA Massage parlors.
"Our initial investigation indicates, for example, that the defendants in (the Go Go Spa) case likely used immigration fraud to bring women to Honolulu to work at these establishments," IP said.
Kaneshiro said other cooperating prostitutes say they first went to work in New York before coming to Honolulu. He said prostitutes who cooperate don't get prosecuted.
"We're not targeting prostitutes. We're targeting people who profit from prostitution," Kaneshiro said.
The Situ indictment last year came after Kaneshiro refused to prosecute prostitutes whom police had arrested for sexual assault and his vocal opposition to a new state sex trafficking law, which was enacted this year. Kaneshiro said the three racketeering cases have nothing to do with the new law but instead rely on laws that were already on the books.
Unfortunately, one of the three people referenced in the news reports about the GoGo Spa arrests/prosecution is a female forum member and famous deep-throater, Leilani.I was surprised to learn her age.
She looks 10 years younger than that to me.
Wish she didn't get busted!
If they were serious about getting Intel about Gogo, it was probably a combination of the three. Credit card records would tell them who to keep an eye out for, and once they were on the road, they could pull them over for any number of traffic violations. If they find something in the car, there's your leverage. Or more likely, they say they'll bring them in on some charge related to prostituion and they'll make sure everyone knows especially a spouse but if you help us out, you can leave in tonight.
Even if you aren't married, being in the system can jam you up. You could wait for days to be arraigned, and even if you had the money to make bail, there's not too many employers who would be ok with you being gone that long, especially for being locked up.All we can do is try.
I suggest using only a pay as you go phone, with both GPS and Location Services disengaged. Do not substitute your contract phone if you forgot your monger phone.
The above is impractical or not possible for guys who are unable to hide that second phone from an inquisitive wife, though.
Leilani Banks
08-27-16, 15:31
I want to thank those of you who have messaged me. I recieved literally hundreds of encouraging messages, many from strangers. Words cannot express what it meant to me to be released, turn on my phone and see the outpouring of support. I never expected that.
For obvious reasons, I cannot discuss the stuff in the media, but I want to thank those of you who reached out. It feels great to know so many of you are pulling for me.
Leilani loves you! ❤65039;.
So this is what happened to Empire. Was that dude who was always there one of these young owners? Lu Liu?
Racketeering law trips up Go Go Spa http://www.staradvertiser.com/?p=603030
An Oahu grand jury indicted Lu Liu and Fangchao Liu on racketeering charges in May. Kaneshiro says prostitutes who worked at Empire Relaxation, 436 Ena Road, and are cooperating with law enforcement identified Fangchao Liu, 32, as the owner of the business and Lu Liu, 35, as the manager.Found this on the Internet. I guess he (got arrested in Houston too. I've been with many AMP girls who were from Houston. My favorite is from Dallas though.
http://htowntx.com/2016/08/02/harris-county-arrests-july-02/
Name: FANGCHAO, LIU M 05/10/84.
Address: 3527 NUTWOOD SPRING TX.
Charges: 909701 OUT OF STATE – FUGITIVE M.
All we can do is try.
I suggest using only a pay as you go phone, with both GPS and Location Services disengaged. Do not substitute your contract phone if you forgot your monger phone.
The above is impractical or not possible for guys who are unable to hide that second phone from an inquisitive wife, though.So your friend robs a bank. The cops check his phone and find that your number is in his contact list. So are you implicated in this robbery?
Never use your personal phone to make your appts or bring near the establishment I say. Whomever posted before about using an app, silly. Probably uncle setting you guys up again. With next week vips I am almost certain it will be up and running. For emergency communication. *cough*. Well best not be part of any dirt collecting next week.It used to be being paranoid about stingrays would have been a bit much. Lately I'm not so sure. That being said, here's a post from a security expert about setting up a secure travel phone for use in someplace that has heavy electronic surveillance, like China, with an iPhone SE. The information would also be valuable for those looking to set up a secure burner phone for activities that may be less than legal.
(Not going to get into an argument over the merits of Android vs. IOS. All I'm going to say is that my iPhone gets regular updates and Apple pushes out security updates when threats arise, as they did last week. Have yet to see an Android manufacturer regularly provide updates, especially security updates, and a carrier that pushes those updates out in a timely manner for their low-end phones.).
https://blog.filippo.io/securing-a-travel-iphone/
Cosmic Kid
08-27-16, 19:29
So this is what happened to Empire. Was that dude who was always there one of these young owners? Lu Liu?
Racketeering law trips up Go Go Spa http://www.staradvertiser.com/?p=603030.
Honolulu Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro says this week's indictment and arrests of the alleged owners and an employee of a Pawaa massage parlor is part of his department's latest effort to crack down on prostitution by going after the people who profit from it, instead of prostitutes.
Kaneshiro says Rickey Lee Shankles, 52, and Katherine Luo, 54, own Go Go Spa at 1507 S. King St. And that Katchina Moore, 41, is an employee. All three were indicted and arrested Wednesday on state racketeering charges for their association with a business involved in prostitution.
The indictment and arrests were the culmination of a joint operation involving the Honolulu Department of the Prosecuting Attorney, the Honolulu Police Department and the investigations arm of the USA Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The federal investigation is ongoing, said Homeland Security Investigations Special Agent in Charge Joanna IP.
Kaneshiro said the case started when a prostitute who worked at Go Go Spa decided to cooperate with authorities following her arrest for prostitution in January. He said investigators from the state Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs confirmed the prostitute's information.
Go Go Spa isn't the first massage business that Kaneshiro has gone after using the state racketeering law.
An Oahu grand jury indicted Lu Liu and Fangchao Liu on racketeering charges in May. Kaneshiro says prostitutes who worked at Empire Relaxation, 436 Ena Road, and are cooperating with law enforcement identified Fangchao Liu, 32, as the owner of the business and Lu Liu, 35, as the manager.
A previous grand jury indicted Biyu Situ, 47, and Wei Li on racketeering charges following a raid on Mayflower Massage in June 2015. Situ is the registered owner of Mayflower, which had been operating in Century Center. Kaneshiro said Situ identified Li as the person who brought women from China to work as prostitutes in USA Massage parlors.
"Our initial investigation indicates, for example, that the defendants in (the Go Go Spa) case likely used immigration fraud to bring women to Honolulu to work at these establishments," IP said.
Kaneshiro said other cooperating prostitutes say they first went to work in New York before coming to Honolulu. He said prostitutes who cooperate don't get prosecuted.
"We're not targeting prostitutes. We're targeting people who profit from prostitution," Kaneshiro said.
The Situ indictment last year came after Kaneshiro refused to prosecute prostitutes whom police had arrested for sexual assault and his vocal opposition to a new state sex trafficking law, which was enacted this year. Kaneshiro said the three racketeering cases have nothing to do with the new law but instead rely on laws that were already on the books."We're not targeting prostitutes. We're targeting people who profit from prostitution. " Kaneshiro said. His statement sounds oh so lofty and progressive at first; that is until its retarded absurdity is revealed. What manner of short-shit logic is he blathering on about? Is Kaneshiro actually so naive as to be under the impression the providers aren't profiting? It's not as if the shop owners are satan and the providers saints. ALL parties involved in the AMP biz make out rather handsomely, thank you very much!
So your friend robs a bank. The cops check his phone and find that your number is in his contact list. So are you implicated in this robbery?A monger can be as careful or reckless as he wants; do as you please.
So your friend robs a bank. The cops check his phone and find that your number is in his contact list. So are you implicated in this robbery?Not unless you were on his last recent call perhaps, but save the hassle of being confronted either way proving your alibi. Sorry officer I was at an AMP cheating on my wife, again like in forensic files they pull up your phone location to verify it as well. And guess what they find you hanging out with him after he did his robbery, yet still you have no idea about it, guess what you can become part of the sticky mess to get pulled out of that explanation, I was at an AMP and decided to hang out with my friend because he called to pay back me because he owed me some money from gambling. Haha yeah that'll not look good too. Sucks to be practically guilty and needing to prove your innocence, because then your friends makes a story to implicate you to lessen his charges perhaps "I was going get my face broke if I no pay him back he said" and mebe you said something like that LOL (people do imbelish alot when they become desperate eh).
It used to be being paranoid about stingrays would have been a bit much. Lately I'm not so sure.It's surprisingly easy how that data is collected, a funny test with stingray is knowing if you are out in the hilltops where your phone bar may be 2-3 always, wait at night to hear a single prop plane fly over the residential area and watch it shoot to 5 bars lolol. Anyway just peace of mind / privacy knowing my hobby is tied to a burner phone I can dump and not follow me around long after. A simple $10-20 phone where I can remove the battery and only power up to make appts. Non-contract plan that lasts a few months. Start anew next year (that's like mebe 4 plate lunches covers the extra cost). That's the kind of meta-data I don't mind; being a random gps dot here and there, no bread crumb trails in-between and gone forever.
Not going to get into an argument over the merits of Android vs. IOS. All I'm going to say is that my iPhone gets regular updates and Apple pushes out security updates when threats arise, as they did last week. Have yet to see an Android manufacturer regularly provide updates, especially security updates, and a carrier that pushes those updates out in a timely manner for their low-end phones.If it wasn't for that activist discovering her surveillance, it may have gone on even longer, which means it has been around. Most unlocked android phones get their updates faster than their mainstream branded versions on say att, verizon etc. At the moment most hacks are social hacking or hacked apps, a text sent with a link etc. That leads unaware to a download or part of an app, will never know as they say if you have been hacked unless you booby trap your phone with fake info is the only old fashion reverse hack to alert you.
SureYourRight
08-28-16, 03:37
"We're not targeting prostitutes. We're targeting people who profit from prostitution. " Kaneshiro said. His statement sounds oh so lofty and progressive at first; that is until its retarded absurdity is revealed. What manner of short-shit logic is he blathering on about? Is Kaneshiro actually so naive as to be under the impression the providers aren't profiting? It's not as if the shop owners are satan and the providers saints. ALL parties involved in the AMP biz make out rather handsomely, thank you very much!The owners make waaaaaaay more money than the girls. There will always be prostitution so there is no point in cracking down on the individuals, you just want to crack down on the people who are organizing it. Beyond the owner collecting the house fee every girl has to pay a certain amount of money per day or per week just to stay in business there. That's the real reason so many bad girls get rotated out so fast. Bad reviews=no repeat clients=no money to pay mamasan=gtfo. Let's keep in mind the majority of that money is going to be tax-free.
Honolulu808
08-28-16, 04:09
The owners make waaaaaaay more money than the girls. There will always be prostitution so there is no point in cracking down on the individuals, you just want to crack down on the people who are organizing it. Beyond the owner collecting the house fee every girl has to pay a certain amount of money per day or per week just to stay in business there. That's the real reason so many bad girls get rotated out so fast. Bad reviews=no repeat clients=no money to pay mamasan=gtfo. Let's keep in mind the majority of that money is going to be tax-free.Owners has a lot of overhead to pay. To operate a business they (90% are registered as a business, they do pay taxes, lawyers fees, utilities supplies and rent. By law the owners are not allowed to pay travel expenses for providers. They are not allowed to collect any money from the providers, for tax reasons except for food.
There are even "some" providers that is registered and pay taxes on the tips they earn and in return they invest their money in property and stock. I know one girl that has property in NY, Florida and is about ready to invest in Hawaii. She's looking at Portlock, Kahala or Kailua/Lanikai to purchase. Yes, she pays taxes.
"We're not targeting prostitutes. We're targeting people who profit from prostitution. " Kaneshiro said. His statement sounds oh so lofty and progressive at first; that is until its retarded absurdity is revealed. What manner of short-shit logic is he blathering on about? Is Kaneshiro actually so naive as to be under the impression the providers aren't profiting? It's not as if the shop owners are satan and the providers saints. ALL parties involved in the AMP biz make out rather handsomely, thank you very much!Kaneshiro is playing along to the myth that "All" or most prosititutes are forced into this job. I thought the same way until I became a monger and started to get to know the girls. Realized some of them were just doing this for a short while to make some quick cash, like $100 grand in 6 months tax free type cash. When I tell my friends to go check out the AMPs, they say they don't want to support any pimps, which is the typical stereotype for a prostitute. So Kaneshiro is saying, we are protecting the girls forced into this business. We just want to take out the "Real" criminals.
Secret Agent
08-28-16, 09:14
HPD officer accused of bribing prostitute won't face criminal charges.
Friday, August 26th 2016,1:24 pm HST.
Friday, August 26th 2016,6:53 pm HST.
By Lynn Kawano, Anchor / ReporterCONNECT.
HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) -.
The criminal case against a Honolulu police officer accused of trying to bribe a prostitute has been dropped.
Officer Maulia Labarre was arrested in April for allegedly offering to help a prostitute get out of an arrest in exchange for sex.
But sources say the state Attorney General's office will not pursue criminal charges against Labarre. The agency would not comment on why the case never moved forward.
The prostitute at the center of the case was arrested in January as part of a sting timed to coincide with the Pro Bowl, sources say.
Labarre then allegedly looked up her information on a work computer and contacted her.
The Honolulu Police Department put Labarre, a former University of Hawaii men's volleyball player, on unpaid leave after the arrest and the state Attorney General's office issued a news release saying Labarre was facing charges of attempted bribery, prostitution and unlawful use of a computer.
But those charges were never filed.
HPD still has an internal affairs investigation open and Labarre remains on restricted duty.
Sources say the prostitute he is accused of trying to bribe is the same woman who helped the city prosecutor's office bring down the GoGo Spa massage parlor in a prostitution raid this week.
Who the fuck is this girl?
The agency would not comment on why the case never moved forward.They're hiding something. This is a matter of public interest, and they should be transparent and accountable. Maybe the provider (whom they relied upon in the GoGo Spa case) was insufficiently credible in this other case?
HPD still has an internal affairs investigation open and Labarre remains on restricted duty.Meaning that the taxpayers are still paying his salary and benefits, yet aren't being told why he wasn't prosecuted after being arrested on multiple charges, further eroding any confidence in the police department.
Niceguy808
08-28-16, 09:57
They're hiding something. This is a matter of public interest, and they should be transparent and accountable. Maybe the provider (whom they relied upon in the GoGo Spa case) was insufficiently credible in this other case?
Meaning that the taxpayers are still paying his salary and benefits, yet aren't being told why he wasn't prosecuted after being arrested on multiple charges, further eroding any confidence in the police department.You know, a good defense attorney could bring this up at trial in an attempt to discredit the state's witness. After all, who's to say that her testimony wasn't coerced out of her by HPD?
Kaneshiro is playing along to the myth that "All" or most prosititutes are forced into this job. I thought the same way until I became a monger and started to get to know the girls. Realized some of them were just doing this for a short while to make some quick cash, like $100 grand in 6 months tax free type cash. When I tell my friends to go check out the AMPs, they say they don't want to support any pimps, which is the typical stereotype for a prostitute. So Kaneshiro is saying, we are protecting the girls forced into this business. We just want to take out the "Real" criminals.Thank you for bringing up this point, sir! Not all of us are from the skids. Some might even be surprised that there are those of us in the business who have a degree, a career outside of prostitution, a life on the other side of the fringe. Whenever people ask me why I do this, I tell them that it's what smart people do while they still can. Appalling how some people in authority think that they know all about us.
Who knows, I just might be your next-door neighbor from the suburbs. Like they say, never assume because when you do, you make "an ass out of you & me. ".
So this is what happened to Empire. Was that dude who was always there one of these young owners? Lu Liu?
Racketeering law trips up Go Go Spa http://www.staradvertiser.com/?p=603030.
Honolulu Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro says this week's indictment and arrests of the alleged owners and an employee of a Pawaa massage parlor is part of his department's latest effort to crack down on prostitution by going after the people who profit from it, instead of prostitutes.
Kaneshiro says Rickey Lee Shankles, 52, and Katherine Luo, 54, own Go Go Spa at 1507 S. King St. And that Katchina Moore, 41, is an employee. All three were indicted and arrested Wednesday on state racketeering charges for their association with a business involved in prostitution.
The indictment and arrests were the culmination of a joint operation involving the Honolulu Department of the Prosecuting Attorney, the Honolulu Police Department and the investigations arm of the USA Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The federal investigation is ongoing, said Homeland Security Investigations Special Agent in Charge Joanna IP.
Kaneshiro said the case started when a prostitute who worked at Go Go Spa decided to cooperate with authorities following her arrest for prostitution in January. He said investigators from the state Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs confirmed the prostitute's information.
Go Go Spa isn't the first massage business that Kaneshiro has gone after using the state racketeering law.
An Oahu grand jury indicted Lu Liu and Fangchao Liu on racketeering charges in May. Kaneshiro says prostitutes who worked at Empire Relaxation, 436 Ena Road, and are cooperating with law enforcement identified Fangchao Liu, 32, as the owner of the business and Lu Liu, 35, as the manager.
A previous grand jury indicted Biyu Situ, 47, and Wei Li on racketeering charges following a raid on Mayflower Massage in June 2015. Situ is the registered owner of Mayflower, which had been operating in Century Center. Kaneshiro said Situ identified Li as the person who brought women from China to work as prostitutes in USA Massage parlors.
"Our initial investigation indicates, for example, that the defendants in (the Go Go Spa) case likely used immigration fraud to bring women to Honolulu to work at these establishments," IP said.
Kaneshiro said other cooperating prostitutes say they first went to work in New York before coming to Honolulu. He said prostitutes who cooperate don't get prosecuted.
"We're not targeting prostitutes. We're targeting people who profit from prostitution," Kaneshiro said.
The Situ indictment last year came after Kaneshiro refused to prosecute prostitutes whom police had arrested for sexual assault and his vocal opposition to a new state sex trafficking law, which was enacted this year. Kaneshiro said the three racketeering cases have nothing to do with the new law but instead rely on laws that were already on the books."We're not targeting prostitutes. We're targeting people who profit from prostitution," Kaneshiro said. ".
Um, those of which are also the prostitutes. LOL.
As far as I remember, I never did this for free.
Thank you for bringing up this point, sir! Not all of us are from the skids. Some might even be surprised that there are those of us in the business who have a degree, a career outside of prostitution, a life on the other side of the fringe. Whenever people ask me why I do this, I tell them that it's what smart people do while they still can. Appalling how some people in authority think that they know all about us.
Who knows, I just might be your next-door neighbor from the suburbs. Like they say, never assume because when you do, you make "an ass out of you & me. ".I totally agree with you that my feelings are that 99 percent of the girls who work are not forced to be where they are at. Its a job for them and a lucrative one at that. They view it this way and out of all the girls I know. Not one single one is forced to be there. They all give you the same story thought of having to send money back home. It may be true and it may be not. The more I see and hear it I think its bullshit. It might be a ploy to for you to feel sorry and give the money. Whatever it is don't fall in love LOL.
It's almost like sampling Mariah, sort of.
http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2016/08/mariah_careys_sister_arrested_for_prositution_in_upstate_ny.html
Kaneshiro is playing along to the myth that "All" or most prosititutes are forced into this job. I thought the same way until I became a monger and started to get to know the girls. Realized some of them were just doing this for a short while to make some quick cash, like $100 grand in 6 months tax free type cash. When I tell my friends to go check out the AMPs, they say they don't want to support any pimps, which is the typical stereotype for a prostitute. So Kaneshiro is saying, we are protecting the girls forced into this business. We just want to take out the "Real" criminals.Is that the attorney who talks with a lisp?
Suffering Succotash!
Is that the attorney who talks with a lisp?
Suffering Succotash!Hopefully he'll be as good in prosecuting Gogo as Sylvester was in catching Tweetie.
Hopefully he'll be as good in prosecuting Gogo as Sylvester was in catching Tweetie.He will be as good as how he handled the gambling and AMP sex assault cases.
Is that the attorney who talks with a lisp?The muscles on either side of his mouth do not work symmetrically when he speaks. I think it was the right side that appears to hardly move. I wonder if he had a stroke.
The owners make waaaaaaay more money than the girls. There will always be prostitution so there is no point in cracking down on the individuals, you just want to crack down on the people who are organizing it. Beyond the owner collecting the house fee every girl has to pay a certain amount of money per day or per week just to stay in business there. That's the real reason so many bad girls get rotated out so fast. Bad reviews=no repeat clients=no money to pay mamasan=gtfo. Let's keep in mind the majority of that money is going to be tax-free.I hear that the owners collect the house fee and charge the girls a fee per day or week. Do they also collect a piece of the tip paid to the girl? Popular girls can negotiate lower fees paid to the house because of their volume.
I totally agree with you that my feelings are that 99 percent of the girls who work are not forced to be where they are at. Its a job for them and a lucrative one at that. They view it this way and out of all the girls I know. Not one single one is forced to be there. They all give you the same story thought of having to send money back home. It may be true and it may be not. The more I see and hear it I think its bullshit. It might be a ploy to for you to feel sorry and give the money. Whatever it is don't fall in love LOL.I personally view it as a sales / acting job. I admit, aside from paying for necessities, the money is great. But I also know that it's not forever, hence, I appreciate everyone that I connect with when doing this.
And yes, as spoken by one of my former sisters in the biz. Don't fall in love _ (cuts both ways, you know.).
It's almost like sampling Mariah, sort of.
http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2016/08/mariah_careys_sister_arrested_for_prositution_in_upstate_ny.htmlYikes! No resemblance whatsoever.
I'm betting the guys who have visited her are sweating it out, based on the police statement at the end of the report.
The muscles on either side of his mouth do not work symmetrically when he speaks. I think it was the right side that appears to hardly move. I wonder if he had a stroke.I feel bad if he has a medical condition. But, he's doing to Hawaii's taxpayers has the same smell as what goes on at Gogo Spa.
With the recent raid at Gogo spa, I was a bit concerned about my future trips to AMPs. I decided to ask few questions here.
Should I be more watchful with the surroundings before entering AMP as it was mentioned in the news that other AMPs are still under investigation?
What happens to the monger if you are there during the raid?
Thanks.
They're hiding something. This is a matter of public interest, and they should be transparent and accountable. Maybe the provider (whom they relied upon in the GoGo Spa case) was insufficiently credible in this other case?
Meaning that the taxpayers are still paying his salary and benefits, yet aren't being told why he wasn't prosecuted after being arrested on multiple charges, further eroding any confidence in the police department.According to the Star Advertiser series that ran a week or two ago, 1/6 of all the officers in the HPD have some kind of action pending against them or were being investigated for something. That's a little more than 15 percent. The experts they talked to were shocked at the number.
People follow rules when they're enforced. I would take all that information to mean that corruption is accepted in the HPD with a wink and a nod. Take the case of an HPD officer having a GF that owned two spots in CC and was "caught" dealing drugs (see the massage therapist board), the chief and any number of other instances, and you see pieces of the bigger picture.
That being said, how can we trust the HPD, especially when they take action against something categorized as "vice"? Are they sending a message to start paying up with more bribes? Are they protecting other AMP owners, game room operators and drug dealers? Are officers moonlighting with their own operations, and protecting their own interests while making it look like they're doing something?
That's the thing about corruption all of these scenarios seem very plausible when looked at it through that lens. The thing is, it's not unreasonable to think that given all the information we have. And so long as police officers come into contact with people with lots of cash who are willing to spread it around, there will always be corruption. The only option to keep cops honest is to decriminalize — not legalize, because that still leads to corruption — morality "crimes".
With the recent raid at Gogo spa, I was a bit concerned about my future trips to AMPs. I decided to ask few questions here.
Should I be more watchful with the surroundings before entering AMP as it was mentioned in the news that other AMPs are still under investigation?
What happens to the monger if you are there during the raid?
Thanks.Same here. Too bad I just started this hobby earlier this year, and now this happened Am I correct to assume some AMPs in CC can be considered safer? Some of them does not even have any sign or anything (such as SunFlower). In contrast, main-stream AMPs such as Kison, ReJuve, and Happiness all have very visible signs / lights / etc.
Thanks.
Same here. Too bad I just started this hobby earlier this year, and now this happened Am I correct to assume some AMPs in CC can be considered safer? Some of them does not even have any sign or anything (such as SunFlower). In contrast, main-stream AMPs such as Kison, ReJuve, and Happiness all have very visible signs / lights / etc.
Thanks.I'm guessing you've never been to CC. There's signs in the elevators saying, essentially, that being in CC means you might be under the surveillance of law enforcement.
If you really want to mitigate your risk, find a girl who does outcall. Bite anything short of that and you're running the risk of meeting Aunt/Uncle Leo.
Antibiotic strains of gonorrhea are showing up.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/30/491969011/u-n-health-officials-warn-gonorrhea-is-becoming-untreatable
I'm guessing you've never been to CC. There's signs in the elevators saying, essentially, that being in CC means you might be under the surveillance of law enforcement.
If you really want to mitigate your risk, find a girl who does outcall. Bite anything short of that and you're running the risk of meeting Aunt/Uncle Leo.I have only been to CC twice (both times SunFlower). I did not pay attention to signs in elevators though. Thanks for mentioning that. Looks like CC is so well known for this type of stuff?
I'm guessing you've never been to CC. There's signs in the elevators saying, essentially, that being in CC means you might be under the surveillance of law enforcement.
As far as I know, the only cameras in the CC are in the parking garage, in each elevator, one on the outside walkway on the right side of the building and one on the 4th floor near the elevators.
I hear that the owners collect the house fee and charge the girls a fee per day or week. Do they also collect a piece of the tip paid to the girl? Popular girls can negotiate lower fees paid to the house because of their volume.It varies per AMP what the mama chargers the girls. Me to AMP girl: Why did you change AMPs. AMP girl: Because mama doesn't charge me $50 a day to sleep here.
ItsNotButter
08-31-16, 15:39
As far as I know, the only cameras in the CC are in the parking garage, in each elevator, one on the outside walkway on the right side of the building and one on the 4th floor near the elevators.You missed some. There's one at the back of the building where the mopeds are parked, there's another facing the dumpster area and well hidden, the one in the lobby, the one on the left side of the building walkway, the one that's near the bench where people get dropped off, and the one that's on the second floor in the corner nearest the parking garage. I always check my surroundings.
I have only been to CC twice (both times SunFlower). I did not pay attention to signs in elevators though. Thanks for mentioning that. Looks like CC is so well known for this type of stuff?Very much so. It's been raided several times in the past.
Why would you assume the police don't know what's going on and don't read sites like these? Because they do.
Happy Seeker 8
08-31-16, 18:22
I'm guessing you've never been to CC. There's signs in the elevators saying, essentially, that being in CC means you might be under the surveillance of law enforcement.
If you really want to mitigate your risk, find a girl who does outcall. Bite anything short of that and you're running the risk of meeting Aunt/Uncle Leo.I think its more of a "might" warning- that comes from "if" something happens in CC, and they have to review elevator survelliance for suspects etc.
It has been like that for years, and only triggered if someone there calls police for something.
LOL- sometimes, us guys feel like victims when we leave.
Happy Seeker 8
08-31-16, 21:06
I think its more of a "might" warning- that comes from "if" something happens in CC, and they have to review elevator survelliance for suspects etc.
It has been like that for years, and only triggered if someone there calls police for something.
LOL- sometimes, us guys feel like victims when we leave.Also, I forgot--you DON'T SEE cameras in the hallways of floors. So they supposed to figure out "which" room # you came out of?
I think its more of a "might" warning- that comes from "if" something happens in CC, and they have to review elevator survelliance for suspects etc.
It has been like that for years, and only triggered if someone there calls police for something.
LOL- sometimes, us guys feel like victims when we leave.That might be true, but if anything required police action in any building, they'd check the recordings from the cameras as a matter of course.
Given the history of, ahem, activities CC is known for and the prominence of the signage, I think it's more a message to any potential johns that they will be on camera. Smacks me of intimidation more than anything else, though.
You missed some. There's one at the back of the building where the mopeds are parked, there's another facing the dumpster area and well hidden, the one in the lobby, the one on the left side of the building walkway, the one that's near the bench where people get dropped off, and the one that's on the second floor in the corner nearest the parking garage. I always check my surroundings.I don't hang out in those areas (except maybe the lobby), so I missed those cameras. Thanks for the update anyway.
I've been going to the CC for over 25 years, and the cameras have never bothered me.
That might be true, but if anything required police action in any building, they'd check the recordings from the cameras as a matter of course.
Given the history of, ahem, activities CC is known for and the prominence of the signage, I think it's more a message to any potential johns that they will be on camera. Smacks me of intimidation more than anything else, though.Of all AMPs have cameras at their entry.
Head Banger
09-01-16, 15:44
I was reading through a lot of your posts about LEO activity and wanted to know how safe you guys feel? I'll be visiting your area in a couple weeks and am trying to decide if it's worth it to play or not. Many of you probably know of the shit storm that hit Seattle, and alas has some looney taking pictures of guys and their plates at popular areas. My local area is pretty hot and I've pretty much given up relaxation. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post openly. Thanks HB.
I was reading through a lot of your posts about LEO activity and wanted to know how safe you guys feel? I'll be visiting your area in a couple weeks and am trying to decide if it's worth it to play or not. Many of you probably know of the shit storm that hit Seattle, and alas has some looney taking pictures of guys and their plates at popular areas. My local area is pretty hot and I've pretty much given up relaxation. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post openly. Thanks HB.Usually the little head overrules the big head so roll the dice because you never know when things are going to go down. I think this would be the same all over the world. Its the game we play. I think when you're in your hotel room contemplating the risk the little head will talk you into visiting a MP.
Convicted pimp originally sentenced last year to 20 years goes free over technicality. No doubt he'll be back on the streets plying his trade again.
And the beat goes on...
http://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20160901/281883002775551
Convicted pimp originally sentenced last year to 20 years goes free over technicality. No doubt he'll be back on the streets plying his trade again.
And the beat goes on...
http://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20160901/281883002775551One one hand, I want to make a joke about the prosecutor's office and if they can ever shoot straight.
On the other hand, if an ambitious, law and order-type gets voted in, he / she could shut down AMPs, indies and managed girls (though we can all agree pimps wouldn't be missed) and do real damage to the hobby on this island if they were more competent than Kaneshiro and had ambitions for higher office.
Kaneshiro is setting himself up for defeat come the next election, and someone promising to clean up Honolulu (especially given all the high end condo activity in Ala Moana and the gentrification of Kakaako) would slide into the job easily.
Lop Chong Man
09-02-16, 05:22
I was reading through a lot of your posts about LEO activity and wanted to know how safe you guys feel? I'll be visiting your area in a couple weeks and am trying to decide if it's worth it to play or not. Many of you probably know of the shit storm that hit Seattle, and alas has some looney taking pictures of guys and their plates at popular areas. My local area is pretty hot and I've pretty much given up relaxation. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post openly. Thanks HB.Chance'um! The odds are that it will be fine. If you are concern just Uber to a location close to the MP. Also most of the MP have Asian girls and I'm not sure if that is what you are looking for. I would recommend that you avoid the street walkers in Waikiki though. LEO activity is heavy there. Plus we need tourist to help support our economy!
Convicted pimp originally sentenced last year to 20 years goes free over technicality. No doubt he'll be back on the streets plying his trade again.
And the beat goes on...The appellate court's full opinion clarifies some of these matters. First, the appellate court didn't rule that the defendant "goes free". Rather, it ordered that the defendant receive a new trial (at which he can be convicted if found guilty). Second, the court didn't reach its decision because of a mere "technicality". Instead, the court ruled that the "prosecutorial misconduct" in the case "could have inflamed the jury" and "invited the jury to render a verdict based on facts irrelevant to whether McKinley was guilty or innocent". So the defendant didn't receive a fair trial, which is a fundamental constitutional right provided by both the federal and state constitutions. Third, the court discussed how there was conflicting evidence in the case and how the video alone was not conclusive evidence that the defendant was guilty. Indeed, at trial the defendant had been found not guilty of three of the four charged offenses.
Head Banger
09-02-16, 16:56
Chance'um! The odds are that it will be fine. If you are concern just Uber to a location close to the MP. Also most of the MP have Asian girls and I'm not sure if that is what you are looking for. I would recommend that you avoid the street walkers in Waikiki though. LEO activity is heavy there. Plus we need tourist to help support our economy!Thanks, never tried a SW. I enjoy the clean and comfortable AMP ladies and environment best. It's ridiculous that pay 4 play is t legal. If the authorities cared so much about HT and the girls they would legalize it because it would give legitimate concenting adults safety by being allowed to seek LE when real crimes are committed, and enable women a means to make a decent living. Legalizing pot in Wash and Colorodo has virtually eliminated the criminal elements and provided a taxable source of revenue for those states.
GrumpyKong
09-02-16, 18:38
Thanks, never tried a SW. I enjoy the clean and comfortable AMP ladies and environment best. It's ridiculous that pay 4 play is t legal. If the authorities cared so much about HT and the girls they would legalize it because it would give legitimate concenting adults safety by being allowed to seek LE when real crimes are committed, and enable women a means to make a decent living. Legalizing pot in Wash and Colorodo has virtually eliminated the criminal elements and provided a taxable source of revenue for those states.With all the money problems we have here, I really don't know why we don't have a State lottery and tax the winners. We have a rail that's costing more and more each year. We have the homeless situation, school classrooms with no AC, no affordable housing, airport expansion plans, maintenance of our roads and highways. We are going to drive the local kamaaina's out of our own State. Think about it.
Candyman2002
09-02-16, 18:53
So this is what happened to Empire. Was that dude who was always there one of these young owners? Lu Liu?
Racketeering law trips up Go Go Spa http://www.staradvertiser.com/?p=603030.
Honolulu Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro says this week's indictment and arrests of the alleged owners and an employee of a Pawaa massage parlor is part of his department's latest effort to crack down on prostitution by going after the people who profit from it, instead of prostitutes.
Kaneshiro says Rickey Lee Shankles, 52, and Katherine Luo, 54, own Go Go Spa at 1507 S. King St. And that Katchina Moore, 41, is an employee. All three were indicted and arrested Wednesday on state racketeering charges for their association with a business involved in prostitution.
The indictment and arrests were the culmination of a joint operation involving the Honolulu Department of the Prosecuting Attorney, the Honolulu Police Department and the investigations arm of the USA Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The federal investigation is ongoing, said Homeland Security Investigations Special Agent in Charge Joanna IP.
Kaneshiro said the case started when a prostitute who worked at Go Go Spa decided to cooperate with authorities following her arrest for prostitution in January. He said investigators from the state Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs confirmed the prostitute's information.
Go Go Spa isn't the first massage business that Kaneshiro has gone after using the state racketeering law.
An Oahu grand jury indicted Lu Liu and Fangchao Liu on racketeering charges in May. Kaneshiro says prostitutes who worked at Empire Relaxation, 436 Ena Road, and are cooperating with law enforcement identified Fangchao Liu, 32, as the owner of the business and Lu Liu, 35, as the manager.
A previous grand jury indicted Biyu Situ, 47, and Wei Li on racketeering charges following a raid on Mayflower Massage in June 2015. Situ is the registered owner of Mayflower, which had been operating in Century Center. Kaneshiro said Situ identified Li as the person who brought women from China to work as prostitutes in USA Massage parlors.
"Our initial investigation indicates, for example, that the defendants in (the Go Go Spa) case likely used immigration fraud to bring women to Honolulu to work at these establishments," IP said.
Kaneshiro said other cooperating prostitutes say they first went to work in New York before coming to Honolulu. He said prostitutes who cooperate don't get prosecuted.
"We're not targeting prostitutes. We're targeting people who profit from prostitution," Kaneshiro said.
The Situ indictment last year came after Kaneshiro refused to prosecute prostitutes whom police had arrested for sexual assault and his vocal opposition to a new state sex trafficking law, which was enacted this year. Kaneshiro said the three racketeering cases have nothing to do with the new law but instead rely on laws that were already on the books.Haven't been on in awhile. Is that what happened to Luxx and Ivy? Anyone see any of the Empire girls around anywhere?
Thanks, never tried a SW. I enjoy the clean and comfortable AMP ladies and environment best. It's ridiculous that pay 4 play is t legal. If the authorities cared so much about HT and the girls they would legalize it because it would give legitimate concenting adults safety by being allowed to seek LE when real crimes are committed, and enable women a means to make a decent living. Legalizing pot in Wash and Colorodo has virtually eliminated the criminal elements and provided a taxable source of revenue for those states.You're assuming:
1. Hawaii is a more socially progressive place than it actually is.
2. That the police are free from corruption and that they would have nothing to lose with regards to sex, drugs and money in exhange for protection.
3. The state and local government care about anything other than enriching themselves, their family and their cronies.
You would be wrong in all these assumptions.
Happy Seeker 8
09-02-16, 21:47
Kathryn Xian in the news again:
"commenting"- about some crap issue regarding possible "slavery" at a construction site going on at Maile sky court.
Anyone see any of the Empire girls around anywhere?Nana is at Rejuve.
Cherry is at Happiness, but she now goes by the name Love.
With the recent raid at Gogo spa, I was a bit concerned about my future trips to AMPs. I decided to ask few questions here.
Should I be more watchful with the surroundings before entering AMP as it was mentioned in the news that other AMPs are still under investigation?
What happens to the monger if you are there during the raid?
Thanks.$500 fine and / or up to 30 days in jail for a first offense.
Kathryn Xian in the news again:
"commenting"- about some crap issue regarding possible "slavery" at a construction site going on at Maile sky court.She should just get it over with and get that sex reassignment surgery she's always wanted. I think once she gets that penis, she'll finally fulfill those fantasies of domination bubbling under her psyche.
At least, that's my professional opinion from a 100-level and a 300-level psych class at UH-M.
Should I be more watchful with the surroundings before entering AMP as it was mentioned in the news that other AMPs are still under investigation?You could. And you should. But the whole point of surveillance is observing without being seen.
What happens to the monger if you are there during the raid?Awhile back someone said the HPD basically just let the guys get dressed and get out.
But if you do get scooped up, you should excercise your right to remain silent and get a lawyer. Don't admit to anything. Don't offer up anything. For all you know, they want to make you an example.
With all the money problems we have here, I really don't know why we don't have a State lottery and tax the winners. We have a rail that's costing more and more each year. We have the homeless situation, school classrooms with no AC, no affordable housing, airport expansion plans, maintenance of our roads and highways. We are going to drive the local kamaaina's out of our own State. Think about it.Money's just one way the powers that be use to enforce the status quo here. Hawaii's never been egalitarian or a place where there's easy social or economic mobility. You were either a chief or, more likely, a commoner; a missionary or a soul to be "saved"; a plantation owner or a coolie; and now you're either connected or you're a schmuck. Used to be that land kept you in your place. Now it's money.
I want to know if there's any other state with the sort of overwhelming majority one party has in all branches of state and local government. There's just one senator (out of 25) and seven representatives (out of 51) that are republicans — and that's not even going into the nutjob that got the nomination to run against Tulsi Gabbard (and who was later disavowed by the republicans). She wasn't the best they had to run against Gabbard, she was the only person who ran against Gabbard as a Republican. And that's just sad all around.
I am not Republican, but an overwhelming political party that competes with a practically non-existent opposition party might has well be one-party rule. But there's your answer to why we don't have a lottery or any kind of gambling and why nothing gets done here, imo. The democrats have created a climate where it chokes small businesses and where the moving out of the state is the only way most people can actually make enough to live on. They've been in power since statehood and this all they have to show for it.
It's quite obvious we live in a Demorcat heavy state, look at all the social welfare programs this state has and we ask why this state is broke. I live in Waianae, which is a lower income area, yet I see $60,000 cars being drove around quite consistently. I go to The grocery store and see these same people buy their food with EBT cards that they pull out from their $300 Coach purse. I guess you can afford a $60,000 car if you don't have to pay for anything else. The local government says they don't want the issues a lottery or gambling brings, but you watch commercials that glorifies Las Vegas. They want to show a hard stance on prostitution, but allow corrupt police to run rampant with no oversight. Ridiculous.
You could. And you should. But the whole point of surveillance is observing without being seen.
Awhile back someone said the HPD basically just let the guys get dressed and get out.
But if you do get scooped up, you should excercise your right to remain silent and get a lawyer. Don't admit to anything. Don't offer up anything. For all you know, they want to make you an example.I know a few defense lawyers and had a couple friends picked up for other things. Their advice: don't say a thing! The cops are looking to get you with something (if they want). If they ask you, "tell us what you were doing. We already know what you were doing, but if you upfront, we will let you go. " You can't trust them. Don't give them anything they can pin on you later. Most likely they don't want you (unless you have warrants and they will check before letting you walk) and will let you go. They always play good cop / bad cop. Ask if you are being arrested. If not, ask to leave.
It's quite obvious we live in a Demorcat heavy state, look at all the social welfare programs this state has and we ask why this state is broke. I live in Waianae, which is a lower income area, yet I see $60,000 cars being drove around quite consistently. I go to The grocery store and see these same people buy their food with EBT cards that they pull out from their $300 Coach purse. I guess you can afford a $60,000 car if you don't have to pay for anything else. The local government says they don't want the issues a lottery or gambling brings, but you watch commercials that glorifies Las Vegas. They want to show a hard stance on prostitution, but allow corrupt police to run rampant with no oversight. Ridiculous.Don't get me started on the EBT cards. I was shopping with the gf and a family was in front of us at the checkout. They had lots of beef and seafood in their cart. It was literally filled to the top with their groceries and upon checkout, they swiped their EBT card. My gf asked me about that card as she has seen it quite frequently and most people were buying meat and seafood, including poke and sashimi. I told her it's all our taxes going to feed these people and she gave me the stink eye.
Don't get me started on the EBT cards. I was shopping with the gf and a family was in front of us at the checkout. They had lots of beef and seafood in their cart. It was literally filled to the top with their groceries and upon checkout, they swiped their EBT card. My gf asked me about that card as she has seen it quite frequently and most people were buying meat and seafood, including poke and sashimi. I told her it's all our taxes going to feed these people and she gave me the stink eye.About 40 times as much of your taxes are going to rich and successful companies in tax subsidies. Look up where your taxes are going and you'll see EBT are the least of your concern.
About 40 times as much of your taxes are going to rich and successful companies in tax subsidies. Look up where your taxes are going and you'll see EBT are the least of your concern.Well one thing is for certain. 1/9 or 11% of my GET is going towards that stupid rail project. No one is going to ride it except for those that currently ride the bus. You won't see any traffic impact. Maybe it will get worse because the guideway system hogged up lane space on already busy roads.
AwabiHunter
09-04-16, 15:51
Don't get me started on the EBT cards. I was shopping with the gf and a family was in front of us at the checkout. They had lots of beef and seafood in their cart. It was literally filled to the top with their groceries and upon checkout, they swiped their EBT card. My gf asked me about that card as she has seen it quite frequently and most people were buying meat and seafood, including poke and sashimi. I told her it's all our taxes going to feed these people and she gave me the stink eye.Yup I see these low life degenerates assholes all over the place driving fancy cars, coach bags etc as another monger pointed out. Watch when shit hits the fan and we go through an even worse financial crash than 2008 or when the petro dollar gets dumped and these programs come to a stop or if there is a glitch in the EBT system and people don't get there cards on time, you better be packing heat to defend your homes against these low life scum bags because they will blame everyone when there milk cow stops pumping out milk.
Yup I see these low life degenerates assholes all over the place driving fancy cars, coach bags etc as another monger pointed out. Watch when shit hits the fan and we go through an even worse financial crash than 2008 or when the petro dollar gets dumped and these programs come to a stop or if there is a glitch in the EBT system and people don't get there cards on time, you better be packing heat to defend your homes against these low life scum bags because they will blame everyone when there milk cow stops pumping out milk."Packing heat" thanks to decades of unrestricted one party rule, hawaii's one of the most difficult states to get a firearm. They also jump on whatever anti-gun legislation happens to be en vouge. Never mind about getting a CCW permit, even if you really do need one. Never mind about getting a permit. Never mind a class 3 FFL or a suppressor.
The state of Hawaii loves making decisions for you. Gambling, rail, guns, drugs, taxes and yes, prostitution. The people just nod their heads and go along. I think the lousy business climate, the rampant corruption and the inability to develop any industries other than tourism are all related.
Well one thing is for certain. 1/9 or 11% of my GET is going towards that stupid rail project. No one is going to ride it except for those that currently ride the bus. You won't see any traffic impact. Maybe it will get worse because the guideway system hogged up lane space on already busy roads.The GET needs to repealed. It's probably one of the biggest impedements to business here. It's a BS tax and it hides the fact that Hawaii would have an effective sales tax of over 10 percent. Instead people are tricked into thinking the "sales" tax is 5 percent.
Hell I pay the max I state taxes, sales tax and on top of the GET just so that people can feel good about helping the homeless, who out of which don't want help and are more than happy to stay where they are as long as they are left alone. I'm all about helping people who need it, but get them real help, like help to get them off drugs or mental help, then maybe you will help get them off the streets. Until you fix the root of the problem, all you're doing is pushing them out of the way like in Waiakiki. Stop throwing our money at the problem and actually do some good. We can't afford to put AC in the schools but we can throw money at people who don't want or have to work. Bringing in a lottery would only make the problem worse, more money to throw away at wasteful programs that have no oversight. One program lost federal funding because it wasn't doing any good and they got the Red Cross to finance it. It's pretty bad when the federal government stops funding something. But in the end I blame the people because they choose to vote these dumbasses in office or don't vote at all.
Hell I pay the max I state taxes, sales tax and on top of the GET just so that people can feel good about helping the homeless, who out of which don't want help and are more than happy to stay where they are as long as they are left alone. I'm all about helping people who need it, but get them real help, like help to get them off drugs or mental help, then maybe you will help get them off the streets. Until you fix the root of the problem, all you're doing is pushing them out of the way like in Waiakiki. Stop throwing our money at the problem and actually do some good. We can't afford to put AC in the schools but we can throw money at people who don't want or have to work. Bringing in a lottery would only make the problem worse, more money to throw away at wasteful programs that have no oversight. One program lost federal funding because it wasn't doing any good and they got the Red Cross to finance it. It's pretty bad when the federal government stops funding something. But in the end I blame the people because they choose to vote these dumbasses in office or don't vote at all.Absolutely. Once you factor in the GET, plus the state income tax which is one of the highest in the nation and all the fees and charges that goes along with doing anything here, I think it's amazing there hasn't been a revolt with he heads of politicians on pikes. There comes a point where you can't get blood from a stone. But then again, the people here are accommodating to the politicians to a fault.
And where does all this tax money go? Who knows. Not putting AC schools. Not developing business. Not building infrastructure.
They can't even make the money for rail work the Feds are threatening to cut their end of the funding if they can't take the rail as far Ala Moana. You'd figure that a government with with as many real estate lawyers that are elected officials as Hawaii (Caldwell is one of them) they'd figure in costs if the construction industry boomed. Of course, the supposes that the people involved with rail actually had the people they represented in mind, and not getting themselves rich.
Awhile back HNN ran this series about being priced out of "paradise". They profiled some family, the parents were Kamehameha grads, living in Nevada or Arizona. So they made more money out there, they had money for vacations, weren't living in a shoebox, their kids were going to good schools (public, from what I could tell) but they were still going on about wanting to move back to Hawaii and how they were afraid that their kids wouldn't know anything about Hawaii.
Guess what? That Hawaii's long gone. In 20 years it'll be Singapore or Hong Kong with a tan, just without the money. The best thing those people could have done for their kids was get them out of here, into schools that aren't falling apart and where teachers aren't turning over every year because they couldn't afford to live here to begin with.
Hell I pay the max I state taxes, sales tax and on top of the GET just so that people can feel good about helping the homeless, who out of which don't want help and are more than happy to stay where they are as long as they are left alone. I'm all about helping people who need it, but get them real help, like help to get them off drugs or mental help, then maybe you will help get them off the streets. Until you fix the root of the problem, all you're doing is pushing them out of the way like in Waiakiki. Stop throwing our money at the problem and actually do some good. We can't afford to put AC in the schools but we can throw money at people who don't want or have to work. Bringing in a lottery would only make the problem worse, more money to throw away at wasteful programs that have no oversight. One program lost federal funding because it wasn't doing any good and they got the Red Cross to finance it. It's pretty bad when the federal government stops funding something. But in the end I blame the people because they choose to vote these dumbasses in office or don't vote at all.If this state had no foreign tourists or military bases, it would be like Venezuela. Got to lose the statist, Leftist, Democrat corruption that people just keep voting into office. Need more Libertarian education 😊.
The brainwashed think adding more Government to correct the inefficiencies of other failed Government programs will help. Duh.
If this state had no foreign tourists or military bases, it would be like Venezuela. Got to lose the statist, Leftist, Democrat corruption that people just keep voting into office. Need more Libertarian education 😊.
The brainwashed think adding more Government to correct the inefficiencies of other failed Government programs will help. Duh.A few years ago Scott Caan pissed a lot of locals off by saying there wasn't any hustle in Hawaii.
The thing is, he was right. People here don't know how to work for themselves. They don't comprehend work as something other than working for someone.
But the economy here has never been friendly to anyone who wanted to go it on their own.
$500 fine and / or up to 30 days in jail for a first offense.500 fine and 30 days in jail? Man that seems to be a strict enforcement. You would think with all the homeless, drugs, and other issues that busting spas will be the least of their concerns. It's similar to how the military bases got rid of the juicy bars in Korea. The drinking and rape is still going to happen, but we can clean up other issues such as low education. I think with the whole "political correct movement" we are forgetting that this is the oldest profession in history, it's not going to go away.
500 fine and 30 days in jail? Man that seems to be a strict enforcement. You would think with all the homeless, drugs, and other issues that busting spas will be the least of their concerns. It's similar to how the military bases got rid of the juicy bars in Korea. The drinking and rape is still going to happen, but we can clean up other issues such as low education. I think with the whole "political correct movement" we are forgetting that this is the oldest profession in history, it's not going to go away.Pros are fairly low-risk arrests. AMPs even more so. Compare that to well armed drug dealers and gang bangers, and homeless with questionable hygiene and who would you rather work on arresting? Cops have to looks busy, even if they're as corrupt as the HPD.
So the developer who wants to build the luxury high rise on Kapiolani / Atkinson (where China Doll, Orchids, and Femme Nu is) is facing pushback on the project. People are calling for him to build 16 affordable housing units along the rail that'll never be completed. Of course, the developer's defending paying $2. 4 million to offset the lack of affordable housing was more than enough. (One of those units will probably go on sale for at least $5 million.).
I'm all for people making money. But the fact that the "median" price of a home in Hawaii is well north of $600 k (never mind about a place in the area that towers going up), and the fact that no one seems to give a crap about the "middle class" in Hawaii, it says alot about how unsustainable living here is. I think it's well past the tipping point.
"The place that we're building is a place that today is occupied by drug dealers, massage parlors and strip clubs. We're cleaning it up and we're happy to do that," they said.
Funny how the masssage parlors, strip bars and drug dealers are the least offensive thing about this project.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33044606/advocates-argue-ala-moana-luxury-highrise-should-include-affordable-units
(Interesting news report from California.)
Prosecutors charge 7 police officers in sex scandal.
Prosecutors have charged seven current and former San Francisco Bay Area police officers in a sexual misconduct scandal involving a teenager.
Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O'Malley announced the charges Friday at a news conference in Oakland.
The wide-ranging scandal surfaced when a teenage woman who described herself as a prostitute said she had sex with about 30 law enforcement officials throughout the region.
The now 19-year-old said she had sex with four of the officers before she turned XX, and sometimes traded sex for protection from arrest or tips about planned prostitution stings.
Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf said disciplinary action has begun against a dozen officers, including dismissal proceedings against four.
I must be getting old reading more news than looking at porn "NOT".
For all you guys in between checks hanging out at college campuses wishing and hoping its legal in Italy.
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/italian-supreme-court-declares-it-not-illegal-masturbate-public-1528178
Did anybody catch this.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33054042/pimp-caught-on-video-violently-assaulting-woman-to-get-new-trial
You have to love our Prosecutor's office! http://khon2.com/2016/09/09/prosecutors-office-declines-to-charge-suspect-with-car-theft-cites-not-enough-evidence/.
HPD catches a car thief in a stolen car. Thief gets arrested and Prosecutor's office says not enough evidence. Thief gets released.
Got a chuckle at the name of the girl on the cover this week. Lyn Crystal GOGO.
Just saw a bunches of harbor police SUVs, a couple of plain white suburbans and a homeland security suv pull into the piers by Nicos. Guess that they're shooting fish in a barrel today.
Shengnu888
09-10-16, 14:52
You have to love our Prosecutor's office! http://khon2.com/2016/09/09/prosecutors-office-declines-to-charge-suspect-with-car-theft-cites-not-enough-evidence/.
HPD catches a car thief in a stolen car. Thief gets arrested and Prosecutor's office says not enough evidence. Thief gets released.The car stolen wasn't theirs so who gives a shit!!
We prosecute ONLY murderers and we get paid and our HPD gets to keep a job.
A few years ago Scott Caan pissed a lot of locals off by saying there wasn't any hustle in Hawaii.I don't know how many times that I'm thinking that Hawaii needs more hustlers and pimps. And if only I was entitled because who James Caan boinked. His dad is lot more of a better actor.
Pretty sure what he meant by hustle was making money by any means necessary and while it includes stuff like hooking, it doesn't exclusively mean it.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hustle
And hustler? Yeah, it could mean a gay prostitute, but it also means anyone making money any way they know how which isn't a bad thing (making money in general), but something the state of Hawaii doesn't seem to like (people making money).
As for Scott Caan he seems more interested in the stage and writing. 5-0 is just his way to pay the bills. You know, like a hustle.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-ca-cm-conversation-20150621-story.html
Not saying I'm a fan, but the press for his play was pretty strong when I lived in LA.
I don't know how many times that I'm thinking that Hawaii needs more hustlers and pimps. And if only I was entitled because who James Caan boinked. His dad is lot more of a better actor.
The also prosecute "gaming rooms" over and over again, even when the case gets thrown out by judges, over and over again.
The car stolen wasn't theirs so who gives a shit!!
We prosecute ONLY murderers and we get paid and our HPD gets to keep a job.
Viet Whisperer
09-11-16, 16:21
Just saw a bunches of harbor police SUVs, a couple of plain white suburbans and a homeland security suv pull into the piers by Nicos. Guess that they're shooting fish in a barrel today.It's people working on the boats from other countries. Fisherman not sex workers.
It's people working on the boats from other countries. Fisherman not sex workers.It's considered to be trafficking as it's equivalent to slavery. They can't leave the boat because they don't have visas and they make about 70 cents a day. Happens a lot in Thailand as well — apparently, practically every piece of seafood from Southeast Asia employs people like this at some level in the supply chain.
But you'll never hear Xian saying anything about this, despite the fact that this sort of trafficking is real and not exaggerated like "sex trafficking. ".
It's considered to be trafficking as it's equivalent to slavery. They can't leave the boat because they don't have visas and they make about 70 cents a day. Happens a lot in Thailand as well apparently, practically every piece of seafood from Southeast Asia employs people like this at some level in the supply chain.
But you'll never hear Xian saying anything about this, despite the fact that this sort of trafficking is real and not exaggerated like "sex trafficking. ".She was actually in that news interview clip about this specific subject. The captains of the fishing vessel actually hold the crews visas which in turn limits the crew's ability to leave the ship when docked in ports for offloading of their cargo. It's poor working conditions as well as minimal wages which make it seem like "slavery" conditions. Most if not all of these migrant workers voluntarily sign up for this type of work. They are in desperate need to support their families. It's a means to an end just like the AMP workers here choose to be in that profession. Is it their absolute dream job? No, but definitely the quickest most lucrative possible means to an end.
Happy Seeker 8
09-12-16, 01:38
It's considered to be trafficking as it's equivalent to slavery. They can't leave the boat because they don't have visas and they make about 70 cents a day. Happens a lot in Thailand as well apparently, practically every piece of seafood from Southeast Asia employs people like this at some level in the supply chain.
But you'll never hear Xian saying anything about this, despite the fact that this sort of trafficking is real and not exaggerated like "sex trafficking. ".Xian did COMMENT on this right away, also on those construction workers at Maile sky court, being recruited from Honduras to work there. Media here always look for her to "comment' on stuff like this for their reports.
Xian did COMMENT on this right away, also on those construction workers at Maile sky court, being recruited from Honduras to work there. Media here always look for her to "comment' on stuff like this for their reports.Ah. I stand corrected.
Still not surprised though. She's a media wh0re but apparently, not a very good one, seeing as she has to drive for Lyft.
In today's news...
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33078051/former-massage-parlor-owner-arraigned-for-bribing-homeland-security-agents
Bench Warmer
09-13-16, 05:10
In today's news...
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33078051/former-massage-parlor-owner-arraigned-for-bribing-homeland-security-agentsWhich place is this? In CC?
Which place is this? In CC?Yes, Mayflower.
DarthTyranus
09-13-16, 16:13
In today's news...
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33078051/former-massage-parlor-owner-arraigned-for-bribing-homeland-security-agentsI wonder how nervous HPD is over this case. Yoyo did say she wanted the same deal as she previously had. I guess it's a lot easier to bribe HPD rather then the FBI. Those officers that have something to hide may worry that she may cooperate with the FBI in exchange for a lighter sentence. Will be interesting.
I feel sorry for Yoyo. Hopefully she can come to a plea agreement.
What ever happened to Apple? The one who got busted for not reporting income and her husband killed himself. I thought I saw she went to jail but she got out by now? For those who may recall, it was the Feds or IRS, who went after her and took her house and all the money she earned, something like 500,000. Was she put in jail in Hawaii or some fed jail? I never tried her but she was a top provider. Just wondering how much time she actually got since Kaneshiro is thinking of ways to get people in our AMP industry. The fool probably can't finish anything and the Feds will step in and make an example of someone.
I wonder how nervous HPD is over this case. Yoyo did say she wanted the same deal as she previously had. I guess it's a lot easier to bribe HPD rather then the FBI. Those officers that have something to hide may worry that she may cooperate with the FBI in exchange for a lighter sentence. Will be interesting.
I feel sorry for Yoyo. Hopefully she can come to a plea agreement.She said she wanted the same deal that "her friend" had.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32015201/feds-hawaii-brothel-owner-bribed-agents-for-protection
Cosmic Kid
09-14-16, 20:57
What ever happened to Apple? The one who got busted for not reporting income and her husband killed himself. I thought I saw she went to jail but she got out by now? For those who may recall, it was the Feds or IRS, who went after her and took her house and all the money she earned, something like 500,000. Was she put in jail in Hawaii or some fed jail? I never tried her but she was a top provider. Just wondering how much time she actually got since Kaneshiro is thinking of ways to get people in our AMP industry. The fool probably can't finish anything and the Feds will step in and make an example of someone.Every so often, this question about the current status and whereabouts of hot Thai / Cambodian provider Apple / Sky resurfaces in one of these threads. I too have inquired about her. But thus far no one has offered an answer. Anyways, it is probably a very good thing for me personally that this sultry-nasty girl isn't practicing her chosen profession any longer on this island because if she was I would probably quickly go broke seeing her every chance I got! You ever have the experience of a provider who right from the beginning makes a powerful impression on you? I'll never forget my first session with Apple, she sat down with me, looked me in the eye and asked me, "How can I please you?" OMG, I was hooked! She had that way with guys, and no wonder then that she was able to accumulate such an impressive nest-egg, which the feds found a way to grab. You ever think about this? That cash any of us mongers spent on Apple, we ended up giving it to the fucking government!
Happy Seeker 8
09-14-16, 22:06
Every so often, this question about the current status and whereabouts of hot Thai / Cambodian provider Apple / Sky resurfaces in one of these threads. I too have inquired about her. But thus far no one has offered an answer. Anyways, it is probably a very good thing for me personally that this sultry-nasty girl isn't practicing her chosen profession any longer on this island because if she was I would probably quickly go broke seeing her every chance I got! You ever have the experience of a provider who right from the beginning makes a powerful impression on you? I'll never forget my first session with Apple, she sat down with me, looked me in the eye and asked me, "How can I please you?" OMG, I was hooked! She had that way with guys, and no wonder then that she was able to accumulate such an impressive nest-egg, which the feds found a way to grab. You ever think about this? That cash any of us mongers spent on Apple, we ended up giving it to the fucking government!Google Khemwika Ernst.
Every so often, this question about the current status and whereabouts of hot Thai / Cambodian provider Apple / Sky resurfaces in one of these threads. I too have inquired about her. But thus far no one has offered an answer. Anyways, it is probably a very good thing for me personally that this sultry-nasty girl isn't practicing her chosen profession any longer on this island because if she was I would probably quickly go broke seeing her every chance I got! You ever have the experience of a provider who right from the beginning makes a powerful impression on you? I'll never forget my first session with Apple, she sat down with me, looked me in the eye and asked me, "How can I please you?" OMG, I was hooked! She had that way with guys, and no wonder then that she was able to accumulate such an impressive nest-egg, which the feds found a way to grab. You ever think about this? That cash any of us mongers spent on Apple, we ended up giving it to the fucking government!I never had the opportunity to sample her but she sounds legendary with her dedicated followers. She must have been cool and a good personality. Yeah, it's ironic how the gov got your dough. It's like our GET tax.
Punanilicr
09-15-16, 16:28
http://wdtn.com/2016/09/13/backpage-com-must-now-turn-over-documents-in-connection-with-sex-trafficking-investigations/
Cosmic Kid
09-15-16, 20:47
Google Khemwika Ernst. HS, thanks for the info. According to West Hawaii Today, January 7, 2016 issue, A USA District Judge gave Apple 6 months in prison. So she's got to be out by now, I would think. After reading several reports of the heart-rending hellish time she went through, and taking into account that no doubt the feds will be keeping an eye on her activities from now on, and no doubt she is well aware of this fact, it occurs to me there's practically no likelihood at all she will ever again resort to trying to make a living as a provider.
Happy Seeker 8
09-15-16, 21:34
HS, thanks for the info. According to West Hawaii Today, January 7, 2016 issue, A USA District Judge gave Apple 6 months in prison. So she's got to be out by now, I would think. After reading several reports of the heart-rending hellish time she went through, and taking into account that no doubt the feds will be keeping an eye on her activities from now on, and no doubt she is well aware of this fact, it occurs to me there's practically no likelihood at all she will ever again resort to trying to make a living as a provider.I'm asking around (locally). Being that it was only 6 months, doesn't involve deportation and if she served it here at Fed. Det. Center by airport.
OK guys, check with your local gals that were also serving time there these past couple of months for info. I'm sure they chatted.
Rotten Otto
09-16-16, 01:04
HS, thanks for the info. According to West Hawaii Today, January 7, 2016 issue, A USA District Judge gave Apple 6 months in prison. So she's got to be out by now, I would think. After reading several reports of the heart-rending hellish time she went through, and taking into account that no doubt the feds will be keeping an eye on her activities from now on, and no doubt she is well aware of this fact, it occurs to me there's practically no likelihood at all she will ever again resort to trying to make a living as a provider.We can always cross our fingers and (wet) dream can't we?
I am so fortunate to have tasted the fruit of the Apple many times. Our weekly rendezvous were so volcanic and mind bending.
Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) was on the table, no shame. Man, what a highlight newsreel she would make.
Cosmic Kid
09-16-16, 19:40
We can always cross our fingers and (wet) dream can't we?
I am so fortunate to have tasted the fruit of the Apple many times. Our weekly rendezvous were so volcanic and mind bending.
Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) was on the table, no shame. Man, what a highlight newsreel she would make.I was going to say, maybe she's under the radar now, gone indie these days, just seeing a few of her old-time regular customers. But you're one of those guys and you haven't heard from her, so guess not. Besides, I just don't imagine that she'd take a chance on getting locked up again because then she'd be separated from her son again and that would rip her heart out all over again.
Bench Warmer
09-17-16, 06:57
HS, thanks for the info. According to West Hawaii Today, January 7, 2016 issue, A USA District Judge gave Apple 6 months in prison. So she's got to be out by now, I would think. After reading several reports of the heart-rending hellish time she went through, and taking into account that no doubt the feds will be keeping an eye on her activities from now on, and no doubt she is well aware of this fact, it occurs to me there's practically no likelihood at all she will ever again resort to trying to make a living as a provider.Sounds like a great storyline for a book or independent film. She could sell the rights.
FlyingHawaii
09-17-16, 15:08
There has been a lot of people who used the name Apple, I tried to google for a mug shot but no luck. Not sure if I saw this Apple before. Funny that Yoyo has her mugshot posted but not Apple who made national news.
Sounds like a great storyline for a book or independent film. She could sell the rights.
Cosmic Kid
09-17-16, 19:50
Sounds like a great storyline for a book or independent film. She could sell the rights.LOL! Yes! Totally great idea!
Happy Seeker 8
09-17-16, 20:05
There has been a lot of people who used the name Apple, I tried to google for a mug shot but no luck. Not sure if I saw this Apple before. Funny that Yoyo has her mugshot posted but not Apple who made national news.On the google site I provided-Under images-I think the one in the pink jacket is her.
Happy Seeker 8
09-17-16, 20:51
There has been a lot of people who used the name Apple, I tried to google for a mug shot but no luck. Not sure if I saw this Apple before. Funny that Yoyo has her mugshot posted but not Apple who made national news.Hey, Haw* * -your box is full, and yes that's the same info I got, (allready had) about Apple-Gigi etc.
Also for everyone else's info. Apple DID get released 6 months to the day after she was convicted, still not sure if was served here.
Hope I don't get flagged. -that's why I ain't putting no (calendar) dates or how I obtained info.
Has anyone watched this series on Showtime? Right up our alley. Lmk if you saw this. I'm only on season 1 episode 5. Interesting and funny!
"William Masters and Virginia Johnson are known as pioneers of the science of human sexuality. Their research shoots them to fame on a trajectory that takes them from humble beginnings in the Midwest to the cover of Time magazine. Masters is a brilliant scientist who is out of touch with his own feelings. Johnson is a divorced mother who is ahead of her time on many fronts, including her determination to have a meaningful career. The pair's relationship isn't just professional, as it evolves into a three-way "marriage" with Masters' wife, Libby. "Masters of Sex" is based on Thomas Maier's book of the same name, which profiled the pair. Network: Showtime".
http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking#part-one.I think all mongers should read this article. It makes you really wonder how far the law can go. According to this they can go after a monger who is recommending a girl for her services or even implying that a provider is good and worth seeing. WTF is this coming to. Makes me want to slow down or not post anymore. Any lawyers out there have a take on this. Sad news again. No fucking freedom of speech without being implicated in some other shit.
Ok, like with EVERYBODY else that's talking about this story let me break it down for you.
Those guys did not post anonymously on an internet forum. Those guys got together, in reality, then made their own forum becoming operators.
If you post EVERY day on this ANONYMOUS forum that you fuck a different chick, how is somebody going to find you? Does your license say BotoMoco? If it does then when you get caught it just proves Darwin was right. I don't know who you are, I can't say who you are. How can LE in Hawaii find you unless you come out and say "here I am?" Don't say IP addresses because we don't keep them. We don't have any info on you. If I was ever subpoenaed and I FULLY cooperated this would be my testimony.
"I don't know who he is but he's kind of a pain in the ass."
So, no, no sad news.
A2
PanochaMan
09-21-16, 05:18
http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking#part-one.I just like writing fictional sex stories like the old penthouse forum. 😃.
El Samurai
09-21-16, 06:24
http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking#part-one.Thank you for the link to this article and the previous backpage article. We all need to read this.
I think all mongers should read this article. It makes you really wonder how far the law can go. According to this they can go after a monger who is recommending a girl for her services or even implying that a provider is good and worth seeing. WTF is this coming to. Makes me want to slow down or not post anymore. Any lawyers out there have a take on this. Sad news again. No fucking freedom of speech without being implicated in some other shit.
Ok, like with EVERYBODY else that's talking about this story let me break it down for you.
Those guys did not post anonymously on an internet forum. Those guys got together, in reality, then made their own forum becoming operators.
If you post EVERY day on this ANONYMOUS forum that you fuck a different chick, how is somebody going to find you? Does your license say BotoMoco? If it does then when you get caught it just proves Darwin was right. I don't know who you are, I can't say who you are. How can LE in Hawaii find you unless you come out and say "here I am?" Don't say IP addresses because we don't keep them. We don't have any info on you. If I was ever subpoenaed and I FULLY cooperated this would be my testimony.
"I don't know who he is but he's kind of a pain in the ass."
So, no, no sad news.
A2And as A2 has pointed out numerous times, USASexguide is outside of US jurisdiction, so subpoenas are useless.
http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking#part-one.I'm just an aspiring erotic novelist, honing my trade here. Hoping that Jasmine will pose for my first book cover, with me.
Thanks for the clarification on the comments about posting information. Too much big brother and paranoia and all we want to do is fuck. LOL.
Don't put together a group of guys, go into the trafficking business and make your own website then you should be ok.
A2
Hawaiian Nono
09-22-16, 05:52
And as A2 has pointed out numerous times, USASexguide is outside of US jurisdiction, so subpoenas are useless.Connections are not recorded. Just the name and activities. Any forum leader doesn't want to have to respond to a court order.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/13/news/companies/backpage-supreme-court-subpoena/I'm really curious why Justice Alito recused himself on this one. Things that make me go hmmmmmmm.
Happy Seeker 8
09-22-16, 15:25
Check this out from 2011.
Google. HonoluluProstitutionArrestsBatchGeo (civil Beat).
The names don't ring a bell, but the addresses are still familiar today.
Pineapple50
09-22-16, 17:09
Diagnosed in April May 2016; six men and one woman were diagnosed with a particular gonorrhea strain that showed reduced susceptibility to the single available effective treatment option.
JT.
I'm really curious why Justice Alito recused himself on this one. Things that make me go hmmmmmmm.In a press release, Justice Alito honestly admitted that he sometimes hires escorts from Backpage advertisements. He said: "At my age, and with my boring personality, how else am I going to get good pussy?"
Nah, just joking!
Seriously, another news report said that Alito recused himself because Alito's son works for the subcommittee that issued the subpoena to Backpage (which could create the appearance of a conflict of interest if Alito participated in the case).
Check this out from 2011.
Google. HonoluluProstitutionArrestsBatchGeo (civil Beat).
The names don't ring a bell, but the addresses are still familiar today.Is this from only 2011 or 2011 until now? Also, how can we access the police blotter like how Civil Beat did to make their list? If there was a searchable database I would like to see which places get raided the most. There was an older Civil Beat article that showed HPD doing almost no arrests on the weekend. Other LE officials out of state were shocked that our HPD never did raids on the weekend, when there would be the most activity. It's like our boys in blue took weekends off. Other vice cops said they did most their raids when they knew there would be the most to catch. I think the raids here happened mostly Tues. Or wed. Article came out around the time Obamas buddy got picked up, his name was in their list, if you want to search for it.
In a press release, Justice Alito honestly admitted that he sometimes hires escorts from Backpage advertisements. He said: "At my age, and with my boring personality, how else am I going to get good pussy?"
Nah, just joking!
Seriously, another news report said that Alito recused himself because Alito's son works for the subcommittee that issued the subpoena to Backpage (which could create the appearance of a conflict of interest if Alito participated in the case).Why am I not surprised that a) you made a funny, and b) you had the answer. You, sir, are a research guru. I tip my hat to you once again. Thank You!!
Happy Seeker 8
09-22-16, 23:20
Is this from only 2011 or 2011 until now? Also, how can we access the police blotter like how Civil Beat did to make their list? If there was a searchable database I would like to see which places get raided the most. There was an older Civil Beat article that showed HPD doing almost no arrests on the weekend. Other LE officials out of state were shocked that our HPD never did raids on the weekend, when there would be the most activity. It's like our boys in blue took weekends off. Other vice cops said they did most their raids when they knew there would be the most to catch. I think the raids here happened mostly Tues. Or wed. Article came out around the time Obamas buddy got picked up, his name was in their list, if you want to search for it.Only from 2011 as each arrest says. I couldn't find anything for other years. These are more prostitution stings rather than raids?
There was an older Civil Beat article that showed HPD doing almost no arrests on the weekend. Other LE officials out of state were shocked that our HPD never did raids on the weekend, when there would be the most activity. It's like our boys in blue took weekends off. Other vice cops said they did most their raids when they knew there would be the most to catch. I think the raids here happened mostly Tues. Or wed. Remember the multiple AMP raids that took place in May 2015? Well, some of them occurred over a weekend.
Niceguy808
09-23-16, 07:46
Is this from only 2011 or 2011 until now? Also, how can we access the police blotter like how Civil Beat did to make their list? If there was a searchable database I would like to see which places get raided the most. There was an older Civil Beat article that showed HPD doing almost no arrests on the weekend. Other LE officials out of state were shocked that our HPD never did raids on the weekend, when there would be the most activity. It's like our boys in blue took weekends off. Other vice cops said they did most their raids when they knew there would be the most to catch. I think the raids here happened mostly Tues. Or wed. Article came out around the time Obamas buddy got picked up, his name was in their list, if you want to search for it.Most prostitution arrests seem to be of streetwalkers. I took a look at the police blotter when I had to get a gun permit.
It seems to me that raids on AMPs are systematic in nature and are singling out specific AMPs, while leaving others alone. I'm not going to get into speculating as to why this is happening, but it's quite obvious this is what is going on. Why not go for the obvious larger AMPs like Happiness or Rejuve or more than one every so often? You can't tell me that HPD isn't aware of the dozens of AMPs throughout Hawaii and decides on a smaller AMP to raid. It is all about perceptions and manipulating Joe public and politicians in to thinking HPD is doing their job, when in fact they could really care less until they receive pressure to do something to clean up Hawaii. The only way HPD is going to do anything is when it's so obvious that it would be considered criminal not to do something. As in the case with the recent raid and bust of a local AMP. My personal opinion is that if these AMPs pay their taxes on the legit business they are running, no one is going to investigate. Skim on taxes or some other form of resistance or lack of compliance, then you will get targeted. The state of Hawaii has to get enough revenue coming in to continue to line their own pockets, mess with that and you will get popped.
SureYourRight
09-24-16, 01:53
It seems to me that raids on AMPs are systematic in nature and are singling out specific AMPs, while leaving others alone. I'm not going to get into speculating as to why this is happening, but it's quite obvious this is what is going on. Why not go for the obvious larger AMPs like Happiness or Rejuve or more than one every so often? You can't tell me that HPD isn't aware of the dozens of AMPs throughout Hawaii and decides on a smaller AMP to raid. It is all about perceptions and manipulating Joe public and politicians in to thinking HPD is doing their job, when in fact they could really care less until they receive pressure to do something to clean up Hawaii. The only way HPD is going to do anything is when it's so obvious that it would be considered criminal not to do something. As in the case with the recent raid and bust of a local AMP. My personal opinion is that if these AMPs pay their taxes on the legit business they are running, no one is going to investigate. Skim on taxes or some other form of resistance or lack of compliance, then you will get targeted. The state of Hawaii has to get enough revenue coming in to continue to line their own pockets, mess with that and you will get popped.The girl who got busted during the holiday was willing to cooperate with HPD. Because of her cooperation they were able to bust _ with serious success. None of the girls at those other places would have to resort to any street work to supplement their business. It's just like any other off the radar business. The majority of police intelligence / government intelligence / business intelligence comes from informants. You got no informants, then you got no case.
It seems to me that raids on AMPs are systematic in nature and are singling out specific AMPs, while leaving others alone. I'm not going to get into speculating as to why this is happening, but it's quite obvious this is what is going on. Why not go for the obvious larger AMPs like Happiness or Rejuve or more than one every so often? You can't tell me that HPD isn't aware of the dozens of AMPs throughout Hawaii and decides on a smaller AMP to raid. It is all about perceptions and manipulating Joe public and politicians in to thinking HPD is doing their job, when in fact they could really care less until they receive pressure to do something to clean up Hawaii. The only way HPD is going to do anything is when it's so obvious that it would be considered criminal not to do something. As in the case with the recent raid and bust of a local AMP. My personal opinion is that if these AMPs pay their taxes on the legit business they are running, no one is going to investigate. Skim on taxes or some other form of resistance or lack of compliance, then you will get targeted. The state of Hawaii has to get enough revenue coming in to continue to line their own pockets, mess with that and you will get popped.Because bribes, and showing AMPs what happen when you don't pay up that protection money to the HPD.
Cosmic Kid
09-25-16, 14:56
Because bribes, and showing AMPs what happen when you don't pay up that protection money to the HPD.Although I've lived on Oahu for decades, I have no personal experience with, or knowledge of, Honolulu LE being corrupt. I've had very little contact with the police here and all I know is what guys on this board say, as well as news reports. I don't know for a fact LE gets "protection money" from the AMP mamas. But let us speculate that this does happen. In this case, it seems logical to assume the cops are NOT going to be inclined to push for shutting down all the AMPs because if they do they are going to lose out on the nice fat dependable flow of cash (untaxed income too) coming to them from the AMPs. This is why I'm suggesting police corruption, if it exists in Hawaii, would definitely be a monger's ally not his enemy! The police will put on a show occasionally for public display, of busting a parlor to two, but it is not in their best FINANCIAL interest to close down the majority of AMPs, IMO. However, this having been said, it does make one pause, and could even blow holes in this theory, when I think about the fact that within the same time-frame when GoGo Spa was taken down, two of the mamas who have been on the scene the longest in HNL, at perhaps the two longest in operation AMPs, Chanel mama at Kison and Jun mama at Chrystal Healing Massage, both of these very fine and much-loved ladies retired from the Honolulu AMP mama profession forthwith!
CK out.
As with any metropolitan city, we have good cops and bad cops. If you want to find corruption, you will find it, just to varying degrees. I've had friends get off on their DUI charges because the cop did not show up in court. The going rate was usually $500, but it seems M. LaBarre would do it for a quickie. LOL Some would shakedown businesses including AMPs, while others would abuse their power. It happens in all big cities and we are no different.
(Hopefully none of these prosecutors from the mainland and foreign countries will be looking for pussy during their taxpayer-funded Hawaii vacations.)
Meetings target sex trafficking.
Prosecutors from eight countries and 13 states and the District of Columbia are convening this week in Waikiki to discuss solutions to sex trafficking.
City Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro, City Council Chairman Ernie Martin and the National District Attorneys Association are sponsoring the event, running Wednesday through Friday.
New York County District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. and Kaneshiro will serve as event co-chairmen.
"As prosecutors, we recognize that sex trafficking is a global evil and that it falls upon us to bring traffickers to justice," Kaneshiro said in a news release. "It is my hope that this gathering will result in an exchange of ideas and strategies, the forging of working relationships and the start of a true fellowship based on a common goal that transcends nationality".
The sessions begin at 8:30 a.m. in the Sheraton-Waikiki Hotel's Molokai Ballroom.
Other than the opening of the event, where the media will be allowed in, the daily sessions will be restricted to participants.
Michael Ramos Martin, District Attorney of San Bernardino County, Calif., and President of the National District Attorneys Association; Vance; Kaneshiro; and Martin will provide opening remarks.
Prosecutors are arriving for the meeting from Canada, China, Japan, Palau, the Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand.
American prosecutors from Arkansas, California, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New York, Nevada, Oregon, Virginia, Washington and Washington, D.C., will participate.
(Hopefully none of these prosecutors from the mainland and foreign countries will be looking for pussy during their taxpayer-funded Hawaii vacations.)
Meetings target sex trafficking.I noticed there are no european countries in the list, thought most of real traffickers were from those eastern european countries shipping them over to us and held by various Russian mobs under the premise of working in an office or restaurant. From a dateline news segment before?
Pau Hana Party
09-29-16, 00:43
I noticed there are no european countries in the list, thought most of real traffickers were from those eastern european countries shipping them over to us and held by various Russian mobs under the premise of working in an office or restaurant. From a dateline news segment before?Just saw the news that there is a sex trafficking convention in town. Tasks forces from all over the world are meeting here this week to discuss new ways to raid and close down business that are suspected to be brothels. Be safe. I wish mongers could attend and find out what they are discussing. We need intel. Pau.
Just saw the news that there is a sex trafficking convention in town. Tasks forces from all over the world are meeting here this week to discuss new ways to raid and close down business that are suspected to be brothels. Be safe. I wish mongers could attend and find out what they are discussing. We need intel. Pau.I wish they would focus on catching the pimps.
I watched the news tonight as well and was totally disgusted in what I was watching. They were discussing human trafficking and how to raid, shut down and prosecute brothels. Many time they discussed shutting these places down without referring to trafficking. Not all brothels partake in human tracking, but according to what I saw they did. I also notice things not discussed that also contribute significantly to human traffficking and that is the Asian fishing industry. In fact, it is nearly as high as prosecution, yet no one speaks of it. Honolulu needs to realize two things not all prostitues are trafficked and the sex trade is not the only industry where human are trafficked and abused. There was one story recently about long liners treating their people like slaves, but one mention of it and that's it. So why not just call it what it is, they are targeting brothels and AMPs to eradicate prostitution. And the reason is not morality but financial. They don't tax the sex trade because it's illegal. Millions is spent on very year in Hawaii on women and Hawaii can't touch a red cent. Hawaiian politicians are money hungry, plain and simple. They want more money to spend on wasteful homeless programs just to be sued for violating their constitutional rights. Rediculous if you ask me.
I wish they would focus on catching the pimps.Nah, pimps are too dangerous, more easy go after the AMP ladies. Benefits are better too.
Cosmic Kid
09-29-16, 20:20
I watched the news tonight as well and was totally disgusted in what I was watching. They were discussing human trafficking and how to raid, shut down and prosecute brothels. Many time they discussed shutting these places down without referring to trafficking. Not all brothels partake in human tracking, but according to what I saw they did. I also notice things not discussed that also contribute significantly to human traffficking and that is the Asian fishing industry. In fact, it is nearly as high as prosecution, yet no one speaks of it. Honolulu needs to realize two things not all prostitues are trafficked and the sex trade is not the only industry where human are trafficked and abused. There was one story recently about long liners treating their people like slaves, but one mention of it and that's it. So why not just call it what it is, they are targeting brothels and AMPs to eradicate prostitution. And the reason is not morality but financial. They don't tax the sex trade because it's illegal. Millions is spent on very year in Hawaii on women and Hawaii can't touch a red cent. Hawaiian politicians are money hungry, plain and simple. They want more money to spend on wasteful homeless programs just to be sued for violating their constitutional rights. Rediculous if you ask me.What AlohaJ says makes a lot of sense! Because prostitution is illegal in Hawaii, the gov't gets no taxes out of the uku bucks being spent in AMPs, so the powers-that-be want to shut down these businesses. I'd guess whatever under-the-table money LE may be grabbing in exchange for allowing the AMPs to continue operating is small potatoes compared to how much tax revenue is being lost since tips given to providers in the AMP aren't traceable or taxable. Still yet, I'm not quite able to connect the dots. If local gov't manages to shut down the AMPs they won't get their hands on any of that tip kala as taxes or in any other form anyway. Am I missing something here?
It's election year and our politicians have done little to actually make our lives better and they have to show for something. Passing bullshit laws and spending our tax money on more homeless programs that is showing no signs of getting better is all this current government has accomplished. It's a Dem state so target something that seems like it's cleaning up the streets and making them a better place and there you have prostitution. The news actually mentioned over a hundred brothels on Oahu, and you target one and manage to only get them on illegal business owning. Also, if they mess with the fishing, they risk losing a lot of revenue. Besides print, have you heard any follow up to any AMP bust? I watch the news nearly every night and nada. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
I read the paper every morning and watch the news at night. The only follow up I've seen is they found Mama Yo's (MF) assistant and are ready to go to trial. This should be an interesting trial.
It's election year and our politicians have done little to actually make our lives better and they have to show for something. Passing bullshit laws and spending our tax money on more homeless programs that is showing no signs of getting better is all this current government has accomplished. It's a Dem state so target something that seems like it's cleaning up the streets and making them a better place and there you have prostitution. The news actually mentioned over a hundred brothels on Oahu, and you target one and manage to only get them on illegal business owning. Also, if they mess with the fishing, they risk losing a lot of revenue. Besides print, have you heard any follow up to any AMP bust? I watch the news nearly every night and nada. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
I watched the news tonight as well and was totally disgusted in what I was watching. They were discussing human trafficking and how to raid, shut down and prosecute brothels. Many time they discussed shutting these places down without referring to trafficking. Not all brothels partake in human tracking, but according to what I saw they did. I also notice things not discussed that also contribute significantly to human trafficking and that is the Asian fishing industry. In fact, it is nearly as high as prosecution, yet no one speaks of it. Honolulu needs to realize two things not all prostitutes are trafficked and the sex trade is not the only industry where human are trafficked and abused. There was one story recently about long liners treating their people like slaves, but one mention of it and that's it. So why not just call it what it is, they are targeting brothels and AMPs to eradicate prostitution. And the reason is not morality but financial. They don't tax the sex trade because it's illegal. Millions is spent on very year in Hawaii on women and Hawaii can't touch a red cent. Hawaiian politicians are money hungry, plain and simple. They want more money to spend on wasteful homeless programs just to be sued for violating their constitutional rights. Ridiculous if you ask me.
What AlohaJ says makes a lot of sense! Because prostitution is illegal in Hawaii, the gov't gets no taxes out of the uku bucks being spent in AMPs, so the powers-that-be want to shut down these businesses. I'd guess whatever under-the-table money LE may be grabbing in exchange for allowing the AMPs to continue operating is small potatoes compared to how much tax revenue is being lost since tips given to providers in the AMP aren't traceable or taxable. Still yet, I'm not quite able to connect the dots. If local gov't manages to shut down the AMPs they won't get their hands on any of that tip kala as taxes or in any other form anyway. Am I missing something here?I agree also. Interesting that around elections, or for lets say more easily targeted situations municipalities will go this way and take these actions.
Here are some interesting facts:
Originally from.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3719-General-Reports&p=2393180#post2393180 (Post 323).
Here is one thread from a dear friend, a providers point of view if you'll have it, she is visible on a number forums in support of rights for adult sex workers.
Quote Originally Posted by Deb4512.
"It'll be a long process, but if they win it most likely would be a domino effect, don't you think? Maxine Doogan is one of the members of my sex worker's group on facebook. .
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/03/05/group-of-bay-area-sex-workers-sue-attorney-generals-want-californias-prostitution-law-declared-unconstitutional//".
Your right decriminalizing is more and more prevalent, recognized by se workers, researchers, the UN and here is some more. "Open letter: 300 researchers call for decriminalization of sex work in Canada".
http://www.straight.com/news/615581/open-letter-300-researchers-call-decriminalization-sex-work-canada
And.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3719-General-Reports&p=2456398#post2456398 - (Post 1473).
Another focused on Calf following in the footsteps of Nevada, and Canada. There is and has been certainly a grass roots movement happening but it needs collective reasoning one of which is (e. G the support of the UN as mentioned earlier).
"Could California be the first state to make sex work legal in the entire state?
Originally Posted by Deb4512.
https://knpr.org/knpr/2015-04/lawsui...gal-california
More on the case in Calf.
http://www.vice.com/read/a-new-lawsuit-aims-to-decriminalize-prostitution-in-california-304
"Interesting, It's been a while since Nevada did their thing. Not the same but it's a similar movement for example that got pot legalized in so many states (the momentum that is). H'mm interesting, stay tuned and support the cause. The push for decriminalizing and / or making it legal is more and more prevalent, recognized by sex workers, researchers, the UN. Here is some more. "Open letter: 300 researchers call for decriminalization of sex work in Canada".
http://www.straight.com/news/615581/...ex-work-canada
Just some insight from the sex workers point of view. Be Well.
Idusixtyning
09-30-16, 19:25
I read the paper every morning and watch the news at night. The only follow up I've seen is they found Mama Yo's (MF) assistant and are ready to go to trial. This should be an interesting trial.It's possible that the prosecutors have something on the assistant and may drop whatever it is (or grant immunity) if the assistant were to testify for the prosecution to support their evidence. If Yoyo paid for the airplane tickets for her employees with her credit cards or checks, then she'll really get nailed for the racketeering charges as she would be guilty of trafficking to promote her illicit business. The prosecution would be greatly aided if they have an informant, worker, or inside person leveraged to give a deposition and/or to testify for the prosecution at trial.
LoseMoney23
09-30-16, 20:31
It's possible that the prosecutors have something on the assistant and may drop whatever it is (or grant immunity) if the assistant were to testify for the prosecution to support their evidence. If Yoyo paid for the airplane tickets for her employees with her credit cards or checks, then she'll really get nailed for the racketeering charges as she would be guilty of trafficking to promote her illicit business. The prosecution would be greatly aided if they have an informant, worker, or inside person leveraged to give a deposition and/or to testify for the prosecution at trial.Yoyo's former assistant goes by Bella and she use to help run the business in CC. She's now at the Kukui Plaza establishment and I guess she's not in hot water. That's also the business that Yoyo purchased for $100,000 after she got kicked out of CC. Go check it out for yourself. They (Kukui Plaza) only takes clients now that were loyal to their business at CC. Yoyo also had her brother run the place when she took trips to China. Yoyo really also loved her wine and was a great cook.
Yoyo's former assistant goes by Bella and she use to help run the business in CC. She's now at the Kukui Plaza establishment and I guess she's not in hot water. That's also the business that Yoyo purchased for $100,000 after she got kicked out of CC. Go check it out for yourself. They (Kukui Plaza) only takes clients now that were loyal to their business at CC. Yoyo also had her brother run the place when she took trips to China. Yoyo really also loved her wine and was a great cook.Last time I was at Kukui Plaze (one month ago), I was told Bella no longer works there.
Yoyo is now out of the picture and has no association with the place at Kukui Plaza.
It's true that when Yoyo ran the place at Kukui Plaza, pretty much only the regulars of her defunct place in the CC were allowed in. With Yoyo gone now, that is no longer the case with the current management at the Kukui Plaza location.
Prostitution does not always equal human trafficking
I watched the news tonight as well and was totally disgusted in what I was watching. They were discussing human trafficking and how to raid, shut down and prosecute brothels. Many time they discussed shutting these places down without referring to trafficking. Not all brothels partake in human tracking, but according to what I saw they did. ... Honolulu needs to realize two things not all prostitutes are trafficked and the sex trade is not the only industry where human are trafficked and abused. ... So why not just call it what it is, they are targeting brothels and AMPs to eradicate prostitution. Yes, that's one of the major problems with this "human trafficking" hysteria: the failure to consistently distinguish consensual adult prostitution from the bogeyman of "human trafficking". Recently I was reading a news report entitled "Prosecutors want crackdown on websites selling illegal sex," concerning this week's conference of prosecutors in Waikiki. Here's a quote from the news report: "Sonia Paquet, a Canadian prosecutor, talked about how prostitution is illegal but there's little enforcement. She said online reviews of establishments are out in the open, and she pulled up one on her phone. 'If we go on the internet site, we see the girls naked,' Paquet said. 'They are from everywhere around the world'". Notice that the prosecutor's objection isn't restricted just to human trafficking, but encompasses prostitution in general. Oh my gosh, "online reviews of establishments are out in the open" and guys can see "naked" providers on the internet! It seems this prosecutor, like many others, broadly objects to the business of prostitution, not only "human trafficking".
Yes, that's one of the major problems with this "human trafficking" hysteria: the failure to consistently distinguish consensual adult prostitution from the bogeyman of "human trafficking". Recently I was reading a news report entitled "Prosecutors want crackdown on websites selling illegal sex," concerning this week's conference of prosecutors in Waikiki. Here's a quote from the news report: "Sonia Paquet, a Canadian prosecutor, talked about how prostitution is illegal but there's little enforcement. She said online reviews of establishments are out in the open, and she pulled up one on her phone. 'If we go on the internet site, we see the girls naked,' Paquet said. 'They are from everywhere around the world'". Notice that the prosecutor's objection isn't restricted just to human trafficking, but encompasses prostitution in general. Oh my gosh, "online reviews of establishments are out in the open" and guys can see "naked" providers on the internet! It seems this prosecutor, like many others, broadly objects to the business of prostitution, not only "human trafficking".I strongly believe that the people who are making and advancing "human trafficking" an issue is an alliance of conservative religious zealots (as in, all sex is ultimately sinful) and liberal anti-sex feminists (as in, all penetrative sex is ultimately non-consensual). There's never any allowance for people who might want to willingly work in the sex industry it is not a option they can comprehend.
I strongly believe that the people who are making and advancing "human trafficking" an issue is an alliance of conservative religious zealots (as in, all sex is ultimately sinful) and liberal anti-sex feminists (as in, all penetrative sex is ultimately non-consensual). There's never any allowance for people who might want to willingly work in the sex industry it is not a option they can comprehend.Those zealots & liberal are the worse closets deviant of them all.
DarthTyranus
10-02-16, 04:13
Last time I was at Kukui Plaze (one month ago), I was told Bella no longer works there.
Yoyo is now out of the picture and has no association with the place at Kukui Plaza.
It's true that when Yoyo ran the place at Kukui Plaza, pretty much only the regulars of her defunct place in the CC were allowed in. With Yoyo gone now, that is no longer the case with the current management at the Kukui Plaza location.
Yoyo's former assistant goes by Bella and she use to help run the business in CC. She's now at the Kukui Plaza establishment and I guess she's not in hot water. That's also the business that Yoyo purchased for $100,000 after she got kicked out of CC. Go check it out for yourself. They (Kukui Plaza) only takes clients now that were loyal to their business at CC. Yoyo also had her brother run the place when she took trips to China. Yoyo really also loved her wine and was a great cook.Bella is definitely not at that Kukui plaza spa anymore. That place was called Blue Angel. They have since gone through an ownership and management change. It is quite possible that Yoyos assistant has been compelled to testify against her. Guess we will find out.
Dream Therapy is much better than Blue Angel. The girls rival any of the best AMPs in town, and the shower is much improved. It's become my go to place.
I strongly believe that the people who are making and advancing "human trafficking" an issue is an alliance of conservative religious zealots (as in, all sex is ultimately sinful) and liberal anti-sex feminists (as in, all penetrative sex is ultimately non-consensual). There's never any allowance for people who might want to willingly work in the sex industry it is not a option they can comprehend.Yes, good point. As I previously posted in a different thread:
It's the rare type of political issue upon which even the most stodgy conservatives and the most whiny liberals can agree. From the usual conservative perspective, prostitution is immoral, violates religious principles and threatens "family values". From the usual liberal perspective, prostitution inherently exploits, objectifies and victimizes women. From the perspective of many conformist females (conservative or liberal), prostitution must be suppressed because it provides men with the freedom to easily enjoy no-strings-attached sex whenever they want, without being compelled to spend their time and money submissively catering to the whims of so-called "respectable" women. Furthermore, because prostitution is a crime and generally considered dirty and disgraceful by "reputable" society, anti-prostitution activists are much more willing to publicly press their agenda than the mongers who secretively have fun with prostitutes (or the prostitutes themselves). For example, how many of us are willing to be televised publicly testifying (and submitting to questioning) in support of prostitution at the legislature, lol. Yet the "righteous" anti-prostitution forces are there lobbying and testifying at every legislative session.
Niceguy808
10-03-16, 07:31
I strongly believe that the people who are making and advancing "human trafficking" an issue is an alliance of conservative religious zealots (as in, all sex is ultimately sinful) and liberal anti-sex feminists (as in, all penetrative sex is ultimately non-consensual). There's never any allowance for people who might want to willingly work in the sex industry it is not a option they can comprehend.I asked a cop friend if he thought that HPD cracking down on prostitution is a waste of time and whether it might just be easier to legalize it. He's actually studied the issue and the effects it has had in countries where it's legal and he laid it out for me:
1) legalization would not guarantee safety for either prostitutes or clients because there would simply be no way to regulate it. Even if you did and had the girls get registered, there will always be those who simply choose not to register themselves and it would involve a great deal of time and taxpayer money to have people go find the ones who don't.
2) Who's the regulating agency going to be? The Department of Health? The police? These agencies are already understaffed and suffering backlog. Legalization would obligate the City to make sure the sex workers have registered themselves, paid their taxes and had STD checks. How much of your tax dollars to you want to spend on that?
3) Human trafficking is a real issue and don't say it isn't. While most trafficked women are put into agricultural or garment industry work, there are a lot who are literally forced into sex work. In Europe, it has been observed that a large number of prostitutes are trafficked women and the percentage goes up in every country where prostitution has been legalized. Legalized prostitution almost always results in an increase in human trafficking.
4) Let's say you legalize it and get some City agency to oversee it. One day, a guy gets ripped off or beaten up. How many guys want to put their name on an official document admitting that they paid for sex? Do you think a man with a family is going to walk into a hearing and give testimony on the record? At least one of the members of this forum could tell you what happened to his marriage when his wife found out he was in the hobby.
5) If you legalize it and require it to be done in a brothel setting, that won't stop the SWs and escorts. Las Vegas has legal brothels, but still has a lot of girls who work the street or have their own incalls, despite the laws.
6) Then there are the pimps. Legalization turns a common street thug into a legitimate businessman who will still take every opportunity to skirt the law. Do you seriously expect a pimp to fill out tax and business registration forms?
Gentlemen, I had to admit his logic was impeccable. There is simply no way to legalize it and expect all or even most of the players to stick to the rules. I really wish there could be.
In my opinion, this forum gives us the best possible protection from ROBs and bad service. We may not like the fact that our hobby can't be enjoyed legally, but there is simply no other way.
I asked a cop friend if he thought that HPD cracking down on prostitution is a waste of time and whether it might just be easier to legalize it. He's actually studied the issue and the effects it has had in countries where it's legal and he laid it out for me:
1) legalization would not guarantee safety for either prostitutes or clients because there would simply be no way to regulate it. Even if you did and had the girls get registered, there will always be those who simply choose not to register themselves and it would involve a great deal of time and taxpayer money to have people go find the ones who don't.
2) Who's the regulating agency going to be? The Department of Health? The police? These agencies are already understaffed and suffering backlog. Legalization would obligate the City to make sure the sex workers have registered themselves, paid their taxes and had STD checks. How much of your tax dollars to you want to spend on that?
3) Human trafficking is a real issue and don't say it isn't. While most trafficked women are put into agricultural or garment industry work, there are a lot who are literally forced into sex work. In Europe, it has been observed that a large number of prostitutes are trafficked women and the percentage goes up in every country where prostitution has been legalized. Legalized prostitution almost always results in an increase in human trafficking.
4) Let's say you legalize it and get some City agency to oversee it. One day, a guy gets ripped off or beaten up. How many guys want to put their name on an official document admitting that they paid for sex? Do you think a man with a family is going to walk into a hearing and give testimony on the record? At least one of the members of this forum could tell you what happened to his marriage when his wife found out he was in the hobby.
5) If you legalize it and require it to be done in a brothel setting, that won't stop the SWs and escorts. Las Vegas has legal brothels, but still has a lot of girls who work the street or have their own incalls, despite the laws.
6) Then there are the pimps. Legalization turns a common street thug into a legitimate businessman who will still take every opportunity to skirt the law. Do you seriously expect a pimp to fill out tax and business registration forms?
Gentlemen, I had to admit his logic was impeccable. There is simply no way to legalize it and expect all or even most of the players to stick to the rules. I really wish there could be.
In my opinion, this forum gives us the best possible protection from ROBs and bad service. We may not like the fact that our hobby can't be enjoyed legally, but there is simply no other way.Not commenting on this post, just making a correction to number 5 above. Las Vegas does not have legal brothels. The county that LV is in, is it Clark County? Is the only county in Nevada where prostitution is not legal. I think. Others can confirm.
Not commenting on this post, just making a correction to number 5 above. Las Vegas does not have legal brothels. The county that LV is in, is it Clark County? Is the only county in Nevada where prostitution is not legal. I think. Others can confirm.It is. Illegal in Clark (las Vegas), washoe (Reno), Douglas and Lincoln. Any country under 700,000 people makes its legal.
Cosmic Kid
10-03-16, 20:54
I asked a cop friend if he thought that HPD cracking down on prostitution is a waste of time and whether it might just be easier to legalize it. He's actually studied the issue and the effects it has had in countries where it's legal and he laid it out for me:
1) legalization would not guarantee safety for either prostitutes or clients because there would simply be no way to regulate it. Even if you did and had the girls get registered, there will always be those who simply choose not to register themselves and it would involve a great deal of time and taxpayer money to have people go find the ones who don't.
2) Who's the regulating agency going to be? The Department of Health? The police? These agencies are already understaffed and suffering backlog. Legalization would obligate the City to make sure the sex workers have registered themselves, paid their taxes and had STD checks. How much of your tax dollars to you want to spend on that?
3) Human trafficking is a real issue and don't say it isn't. While most trafficked women are put into agricultural or garment industry work, there are a lot who are literally forced into sex work. In Europe, it has been observed that a large number of prostitutes are trafficked women and the percentage goes up in every country where prostitution has been legalized. Legalized prostitution almost always results in an increase in human trafficking.
4) Let's say you legalize it and get some City agency to oversee it. One day, a guy gets ripped off or beaten up. How many guys want to put their name on an official document admitting that they paid for sex? Do you think a man with a family is going to walk into a hearing and give testimony on the record? At least one of the members of this forum could tell you what happened to his marriage when his wife found out he was in the hobby.
5) If you legalize it and require it to be done in a brothel setting, that won't stop the SWs and escorts. Las Vegas has legal brothels, but still has a lot of girls who work the street or have their own incalls, despite the laws.
6) Then there are the pimps. Legalization turns a common street thug into a legitimate businessman who will still take every opportunity to skirt the law. Do you seriously expect a pimp to fill out tax and business registration forms?
Gentlemen, I had to admit his logic was impeccable. There is simply no way to legalize it and expect all or even most of the players to stick to the rules. I really wish there could be.
In my opinion, this forum gives us the best possible protection from ROBs and bad service. We may not like the fact that our hobby can't be enjoyed legally, but there is simply no other way.This post is SO fucking great! I'm just being blown away by some of the super-informative and enlightening commentary on this topic which has been appearing on this board recently. I actually wish there was some way to put the cream of the crop of these posts into book form. I for one would sure as hell pay good money for such a book! I'm serious. Can someone do it? Then sell it online, mail-order off of Amazon or someplace? Not Kindle, or not ONLY Kindle, because I want a hardcopy!
I asked a cop friend if he thought that HPD cracking down on prostitution is a waste of time and whether it might just be easier to legalize it. He's actually studied the issue and the effects it has had in countries where it's legal and he laid it out for me:I agree on all those points — the way the legal brothels are structured in Nevada, in terms of how the girls operate, is pretty much a pimp / prostitute relationship in terms of charging them fees to the point where they're making less than half of what they're charging.
But what about decriminalization? Why does the government have to the involved in a transaction between two consenting adults? Yes, decriminalization in this case is a longshot, given the current attitudes in the country, but should this be anyone's business other than the two people who've agreed to it?
I am not saying that there are not pimps. I have no problems with pimps being prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law. But it seems your friend in law enforcement, like so many other people, does not seem to want to believe or cannot comprehend that a woman would willingly enter the sex industry and therefore, all women in the sex industry must be trafficked.
So what if a woman, who went to law school, discovers that she can make more having sex for money for a few hours a day than she could working 80+ hours a week as a starting associate? So what if (aside from the visa issues) that a woman from some nowhere province in China decides she'd rather make more money in a month in a massage parlor than she would see in years working a field?
It is. Illegal in Clark (las Vegas), washoe (Reno), Douglas and Lincoln. Any country under 700,000 people makes its legal.I believe the closest brothel to Vegas is Sheri's Ranch in Pahrump, though I might be mistaken.
http://nypost.com/2016/10/04/ric-flair-casually-claims-he-slept-with-halle-berry/
To be the Man.
http://nypost.com/2016/10/04/ric-flair-casually-claims-he-slept-with-halle-berry/
To be the Man.Wooooooooooooooo.
HorneyinHilo
10-05-16, 21:10
International Sex-Trafficking Bust Reaches into Hawaii.
http://hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/18374/International-Sex-Trafficking-Bust-Reaches-into-Hawaii.aspx
"The runners were typically men who were paid, in part, by receiving access to sex acts with the women. ".
Idusixtyning
10-06-16, 03:02
Yoyo's former assistant goes by Bella and she use to help run the business in CC. She's now at the Kukui Plaza establishment and I guess she's not in hot water. That's also the business that Yoyo purchased for $100,000 after she got kicked out of CC. Go check it out for yourself. They (Kukui Plaza) only takes clients now that were loyal to their business at CC. Yoyo also had her brother run the place when she took trips to China. Yoyo really also loved her wine and was a great cook.You sure didn't do her and her associates a favor. If the Feds didn't know about this $100k cash she had to invest (most likely from money "illegally" made from Mayflower), they do now. And for sure they can go after it and seize it and possibly charge any parties who received the illicit cash as accomplices with Yoyo in the racketeering business she is charged with. If you really want to get paranoid, if the Feds thought you had valuable knowledge, they can track you down.
ItsNotButter
10-06-16, 16:46
What a bunch of BS for HPD. Chief Kealoha should be removed after or before his Federal trial begins. Of all the tests conducted so far (137) out of 1512 what the fuck is going on!!They HPD said they had no funds to tests the kits BS!!Why didn't HPD ask for the funds? Now even if the tests are done a lot of so called rapist will get a lawyer and say the sex was consensual. Waste of time again and money spent and no convictions.
SureYourRight
10-06-16, 23:12
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/06/news/backpage-ceo-carl-ferrer-arrest/index.html
Looks like back-page might be going down a little sooner than expected.
What a bunch of BS for HPD. Chief Kealoha should be removed after or before his Federal trial begins. Of all the tests conducted so far (137) out of 1512 what the fuck is going on!!They HPD said they had no funds to tests the kits BS!!Why didn't HPD ask for the funds? Now even if the tests are done a lot of so called rapist will get a lawyer and say the sex was consensual. Waste of time again and money spent and no convictions.The part of this whole story that really gets me through s the fact that some kits go as far back as the '90's. Talk about not caring.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/06/news/backpage-ceo-carl-ferrer-arrest/index.html
Looks like back-page might be going down a little sooner than expected.Another article on the same subject and one of the comments referencing this site:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/carl-ferrer-backpage-arrest-229261
Anna Levata · Harvard University School of Business.
Thank God they are going to shut them down. And there are ways to make sure it doesn't pop up under another name. John / shaming. Publish the names of the clients who used the service. All IP addresses have a name and real address associated with it. They have no right to privacy in communication when the activity is illegal. Buying sex with minors is illegal and ruining the lives of those children. Why shouldn't the lives of the Johns that contributed to the ruin and abuse of children be ruined? Publish the names of the Johns and let the chips fall where they may. The local police where the John lives can go pick them up and prosecute. Let's see how long their jobs, marriages, girlfriends, churches etc. Stand behind them when they are child molesters. And they will need to register as such for the rest of their lives. If you seriously want to stop this stuff cold, publish their names.
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Janice Burke.
That would be a great idea, Anna, except there's no record of who set an appointment with whom and who just looked at 100 ads out of curiosity or boredom on a classified ad site. Were you thinking Backpage provided a private message system that would show the guy who browsed 100 ads actually finally settled on the leggy brunette in the purple outfit? The ads usually have a phone number. Backpage is involved on no level with two people calling each other.
Meanwhile there are genuinely disgusting sites like USA Sex Guide and The Erotic Review where men OPENLY BRAG about who they've seen and when and what happened and for how much. Like they voluntarily give lurid details and say "this definitely happened".
USA Sex Guide is particularly awful because the scumbags there revel in seeing providers on the street who are sad and desperate and probably are genuinely exploited. Yet somehow all these prosecutors and politicians have wood for Backpage and only Backpage.
Wow, those comments. Sure, go after the bit players, the small potatoes. In other news, they are going to love the latest on our Presidential candidate.
Trump is ready to #makeamericagreatagain, but first he's going to "Grab them by the pussy". Alpha male syndrome xD. I wonder how many times Trump has mongered, even if he is rich enough to have the women always come to him.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politics/donald-trump-women-vulgar/
Another article on the same subject and one of the comments referencing this site:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/carl-ferrer-backpage-arrest-229261
Anna Levata Harvard University School of Business.
Thank God they are going to shut them down. And there are ways to make sure it doesn't pop up under another name. John / shaming. Publish the names of the clients who used the service. All IP addresses have a name and real address associated with it. They have no right to privacy in communication when the activity is illegal. Buying sex with minors is illegal and ruining the lives of those children. Why shouldn't the lives of the Johns that contributed to the ruin and abuse of children be ruined? Publish the names of the Johns and let the chips fall where they may. The local police where the John lives can go pick them up and prosecute. Let's see how long their jobs, marriages, girlfriends, churches etc. Stand behind them when they are child molesters. And they will need to register as such for the rest of their lives. If you seriously want to stop this stuff cold, publish their names.
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Janice Burke.
That would be a great idea, Anna, except there's no record of who set an appointment with whom and who just looked at 100 ads out of curiosity or boredom on a classified ad site. Were you thinking Backpage provided a private message system that would show the guy who browsed 100 ads actually finally settled on the leggy brunette in the purple outfit? The ads usually have a phone number. Backpage is involved on no level with two people calling each other.
Meanwhile there are genuinely disgusting sites like USA Sex Guide and The Erotic Review where men OPENLY BRAG about who they've seen and when and what happened and for how much. Like they voluntarily give lurid details and say "this definitely happened".
USA Sex Guide is particularly awful because the scumbags there revel in seeing providers on the street who are sad and desperate and probably are genuinely exploited. Yet somehow all these prosecutors and politicians have wood for Backpage and only Backpage.
3) Human trafficking is a real issue and don't say it isn't. While most trafficked women are put into agricultural or garment industry work, there are a lot who are literally forced into sex work. In Europe, it has been observed that a large number of prostitutes are trafficked women and the percentage goes up in every country where prostitution has been legalized. Legalized prostitution almost always results in an increase in human trafficking.Lots of people opposing the decriminalization of prostitution like to say this but there's only one problem. It's simply not true. In fact, the exact opposite is true.
Here's what Amnesty International had to say about it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-are-human-rights/
Legalization tends to remove the criminal element. The US is a country in love with prohibition regardless of how poorly it works whenever they try it. Your cop friend is doing exactly what Harry Anslinger did with drugs. He's making up facts to justify prohibiting the issue. Well he's probably not making them up, he's most likely parroting the political justification that is not based in facts that he has been told. Has he been to an FKK in Germany? Has he been here in Argentina? All sex work is trafficking is an easy slogan for politicians to use because of the eternal shame we as a society put on sex workers. They aren't coming out of the shadows to say they aren't because if the stigma.
Here's one that is, the true love of my life, Tony Mac. Her premise is a simple one, why isn't anybody asking prostitutes what laws they want to protect them instead of assuming we know.
https://www.ted.com/talks/toni_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want?language=en
You are correct, trafficking is a real thing, it's horrible and we at the USASG oppose it without qualification. We also are of the opinion that every minute LE uses, along with every dollar they spend prohibiting chicks who want to sell pussy to guys who want to buy it is a minute and a dollar wasted that could have been spent on the very real problem of trafficking.
Not trying to start a fight brotherman, you just got misinformed from a source that seemed credible.
A2.
Lonely Smiles
10-08-16, 02:06
Here's one that is, the true love of my life, Tony Mac. Her premise is a simple one, why isn't anybody asking prostitutes what laws they want to protect them instead of assuming we know.
https://www.ted.com/talks/toni_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want?language=enFascinating Ted Talk. Bookmarked that one for future reference. I like how she opens her talk:
"I want to talk about sex for money. I'm not like most of the people you'll have heard speaking about prostitution before. I'm not a police officer or a social worker. I'm not an academic, a journalist or a politician. And as you'll probably have picked up from Maryam's blurb, I'm not a nun, either. ".
In my mind, further evidence that there are some very intelligent women who choose sex work, for one reason or another.
Lop Chong Man
10-08-16, 03:49
Fascinating Ted Talk. Bookmarked that one for future reference. I like how she opens her talk:
"I want to talk about sex for money. I'm not like most of the people you'll have heard speaking about prostitution before. I'm not a police officer or a social worker. I'm not an academic, a journalist or a politician. And as you'll probably have picked up from Maryam's blurb, I'm not a nun, either. ".
In my mind, further evidence that there are some very intelligent women who choose sex work, for one reason or another.Thanks for sharing. Great perspective! Too bad our politicians are so pigheaded and ignorant.
Here's one that is, the true love of my life, Tony Mac. Her premise is a simple one, why isn't anybody asking prostitutes what laws they want to protect them instead of assuming we know.
https://www.ted.com/talks/toni_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want?language=en
A2.I loved her point about human trafficking in the fishing industry, something that's been briefly in the news here in Hawaii. They don't criminalize the fishing industry because there's human trafficking, they go after the trafficers, (well, not really, but.).
Unfortunately, the Holy rollers that always end up tying prostitution to morals will keep real laws benefitting the sex workers from taking place. On the other hand, the cost of fresh sushi is still low (tongue in cheek).
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/carl-ferrer-backpage-com-ceo-transferred-to-california-jail/
SACRAMENTO, CALIF. The chief executive of an internet site authorities contend is a hub for the illegal sex trade has been transferred from Texas to a California jail where's he's being held without bail, CBS Dallas-Forth Worth reports.
Backpage.com CEO Carl Ferrer appeared before a Houston judge Friday morning, and he didn't fight extradition to California.
Ferrer was booked into the Sacramento County jail late Friday night on felony charges that include pimping a minor.
The 55-year-old Ferrer was arrested Thursday after arriving in Houston on an overseas flight. The Dallas headquarters for Backpage was raided by authorities in conjunction with his arrest.
Authorities allege that adult and child sex-trafficking victims were forced into prostitution through escort ads posted on the site.
His attorney did not return a call for comment Saturday but previously said Herrer will fight the "trumped up" charges.
Backpage's two controlling shareholders were being sought by authorities.
I love the white knighting / misandry with the folk going wild over that TED talk "Everyone has an opinion about how to legislate sex work (whether to legalize it, ban it or even tax it) . But what do workers themselves think would work best?"
Hey I got an idea, you know somebody who is asked even less than the sex workers (hell the laws are passed to protect them from themselves but at least somebody is belated thinking of them), us mongers. In the rungs of the sex work industry mongers def the bottom, even below pimps.
BP thing you knew was coming since two weeks ago when the RentBoy.com guy pleaded guilty ... BP and other US site owners / businesses cases were sealed as soon as that happened. Wouldn't be surprised to seeking arrangements, eros, TER, etc changing their TOS / close / more militant policing of content soon.
Earlier tonight I saw news reports on an interesting case in Florida. Prostitute (photo below) has an advertisement on Backpage, and Monger contacts her. Prostitute goes to Monger's hotel room late at night, with a male companion whom the police think was her "boyfriend" (maybe that's a polite way of saying pimp). Prostitute enters Monger's hotel room with a knife, and then robs Monger at knifepoint inside the hotel room. However, Monger then disarms Prostitute by wrestling the knife away from her, and Prostitute flees the hotel room. Yet then Boyfriend enters Monger's hotel room and attacks Monger. Monger ironically uses Prostitute's knife in self-defense to stab the attacking Boyfriend. Boyfriend flees, bleeding from the stab wound in his chest, but collapses near the hotel elevator and dies. Prostitute is located by the police and arrested for armed robbery, second-degree murder (on the basis that the death occurred because of her commission of the robbery), and a warrant for prostitution. She's jailed without bail. Monger is questioned by police and then released.
Earlier tonight I saw news reports on an interesting case in Florida. Prostitute (photo below) has an advertisement on Backpage, and Monger contacts her. Prostitute goes to Monger's hotel room late at night, with a male companion whom the police think was her "boyfriend" (maybe that's a polite way of saying pimp). Prostitute enters Monger's hotel room with a knife, and then robs Monger at knifepoint inside the hotel room. However, Monger then disarms Prostitute by wrestling the knife away from her, and Prostitute flees the hotel room. Yet then Boyfriend enters Monger's hotel room and attacks Monger. Monger ironically uses Prostitute's knife in self-defense to stab the attacking Boyfriend. Boyfriend flees, bleeding from the stab wound in his chest, but collapses near the hotel elevator and dies. Prostitute is located by the police and arrested for armed robbery, second-degree murder (on the basis that the death occurred because of her commission of the robbery), and a warrant for prostitution. She's jailed without bail. Monger is questioned by police and then released.That's CRAZY! Glad it worked out for Monger. That situation could have gone wrong so many times. Well, more wrong.
Glad he wasn't charged either!
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