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Two thoughts about arresting and prosecuting women for prostitution in Honolulu.
First, shouldn't PASS and its allies be protesting against the government arresting and prosecuting women involved in prostitution? PASS contends that more than ninety percent of prostitutes actually don't want to be involved with prostitution. Although personally I don't believe that statistic, if PASS-type people do, they should likewise be opposed to stigmatizing these "victims" with criminal records, and illogically punishing "victims" with fines and incarceration. Having a criminal conviction for prostitution on their records certainly won't help the female "victims" obtain regular employment and lead normal lives, as PASS types supposedly want them to do.
Second, the news media has reported that HPD clearance rates for crimes such as motor vehicle theft, larceny theft, burglary and robbery are quite low. So it would seem that the police time and resources spent on investigating and arresting women for the petty misdemeanor offense of prostitution would be better spent on more serious crimes.PASS is in the Business of 'rescue. ' It is not about stopping trafficking and coercion. It is a militant feminist attempt to abolish and prohibit prostitution and gateway to prostitution because commercial sex is prima facie man exploitation and oppression of woman. It is a money grab. It is a fund raising scheme directed at prudish church ladies who want to rescue fallen women. Feminists and religious prudes come together on this one issue. The sickest part is PASS is least happy when little or no coercion exists, especially at the AMPs. They broadcast one or two incidents of pimp involvement at AMPs with local or white mainland girls as if coercion is the norm, when we know there is no coercion among the Koreans. All this is understandable when you know that AMPs with no human trafficking and coercion, more than anything else, threatens the fund raising paradigm of PASS. Threatens the whole of existence of the activist organization. So PASS will do everything it can to bring down AMPs, not because trafficking and coercion are problems, but because they are not. How twisted is that?
Van Deventer
01-16-13, 03:09
This was also reported on Hawaii News Now, but couldn't find the link. Here's the same story from Civil Beat.
http://hawaii.education.blogs.civilbeat.com/post/40539655692/uh-students-turning-to-sugar-daddies-to-pay-for-school
Looks like the going rate is about $3, 000 / month
(This sad story is from the San Jose Mercury News, but similar situations have occurred here with scheming bargirls and other scammers.)
A 72-year-old man was left heartbroken and bankrupt after a "sweetheart scam" run by a younger woman who was arrested this week at her Elk Grove home, prosecutors said.
The victim told investigators that in April 2009 he was contacted by 30-year-old XXXXXXX, a real estate broker who wanted to talk to him about refinancing the Campbell home that he owned.
"As far as we can tell it was a cold call," said Cherie Bourlard, a prosecutor with the Elder Fraud Unit of the Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office.
"She may have looked at public records and saw that he owned his home free and clear, and the equity in the house was something worth going after."
Bourlard said that upon meeting the victim, Pham flirted with him to the extent that he gave her a diamond ring that once belonged to his ex-wife.
The scam grew from there, Bourlard said. The victim was convinced to put his house up for collateral and use $200, 000 of the money to invest in a financial company Pham wanted to start. He also put money down on a $73, 000 Lexus that Pham was supposed to make payments on, and maxed out his credit card buying furniture for an office that was later found empty and abandoned.
Once the victim could no longer pay his bills, Pham convinced him to sell his $500, 000 house, which entitled her to a $7, 000 referral fee.
About five months after first being contacted by Pham, the victim was out of assets and she broke all contact with him, Bourlard said. He later filed for bankruptcy and notified police.
"Ms. Pham criminally took advantage of a lonely, elderly man," she said, adding that the grift is so pervasive that it is known as "the sweetheart scam."
"It is unconscionable," Bourlard said.
When Pham was arrested by Campbell police on Wednesday, she was still in possession of the Lexus, although she had never made a payment, Bourlard said. She said the repo man who arrived to get the car reported that he'd been to the home several months before to collect a $100, 000 BMW.
"Elk Grove police found that she got it from a man she'd met on online dating service Match. Com," Bourlard said.
According to the district attorney's office, Campbell investigators also found a large quantity of designer Louis Vuitton purses at the home, and records showed that between 2009 and 2012 Pham had lost more than $1 million gambling at Red Hawk Casino in Placerville.
She also wired $50, 000 of the victim's money to Nevada to pay restitution in a criminal case there. Prosecutors had no further information about that matter.
Bourlard said Pham may have bilked more people they don't know about.
"Luckily, the victim in this case came forward," she said.
"Often the victims in these types of crimes are embarrassed and they go unreported."
She urged anyone who believes they or someone they know has been bilked in a "sweetheart scam" or anything similar to contact local law enforcement authorities or adult protective services.
Pham, who was arraigned Friday on a felony charge of theft from an elder, faces up to six years in prison if convicted. She remains at the women's facility of the Santa Clara County Jail, with a court date on Jan. 25.
Loveasianhi
01-19-13, 19:14
This was also reported on Hawaii News Now, but couldn't find the link. Here's the same story from Civil Beat.
http://hawaii.education.blogs.civilbeat.com/post/40539655692/uh-students-turning-to-sugar-daddies-to-pay-for-school
Looks like the going rate is about $3, 000 / monthHas anyone tried the seeking arrangements site, there's some nice candy on it.
Tsunami808
01-20-13, 04:20
(This sad story is from the San Jose Mercury News, but similar situations have occurred here with scheming bargirls and other scammers.) Is that her?
PopoloGirl
01-29-13, 17:19
Sex Positive groups such as SWAAY and Desiree Alliance are out there, but these groups like PASS get much more support, since people who are okay with a little sex for trade (men and women alike) are usually donating their money to the provider, LOL.
At least here in Cali the laws are more supportive and the alliance is larger. The main thing stopping that from being the reality in Hawaii is the immigration issue (language barriers can possibly be added to that list). All in all, there is little increase in prosecution in either location. Too many politicians enjoy 'strange. '
PASS is in the Business of 'rescue. ' It is not about stopping trafficking and coercion. It is a militant feminist attempt to abolish and prohibit prostitution and gateway to prostitution because commercial sex is prima facie man exploitation and oppression of woman. It is a money grab. It is a fund raising scheme directed at prudish church ladies who want to rescue fallen women. Feminists and religious prudes come together on this one issue. The sickest part is PASS is least happy when little or no coercion exists, especially at the AMPs. They broadcast one or two incidents of pimp involvement at AMPs with local or white mainland girls as if coercion is the norm, when we know there is no coercion among the Koreans. All this is understandable when you know that AMPs with no human trafficking and coercion, more than anything else, threatens the fund raising paradigm of PASS. Threatens the whole of existence of the activist organization. So PASS will do everything it can to bring down AMPs, not because trafficking and coercion are problems, but because they are not. How twisted is that?
Sex Positive groups such as SWAAY and Desiree Alliance are out there, but these groups like PASS get much more support, since people who are okay with a little sex for trade (men and women alike) are usually donating their money to the provider, LOL.
At least here in Cali the laws are more supportive and the alliance is larger. The main thing stopping that from being the reality in Hawaii is the immigration issue (language barriers can possibly be added to that list). All in all, there is little increase in prosecution in either location. Too many politicians enjoy 'strange. 'There is nothing wrong with people trying to stop coercion and human trafficking. They should be stopped. But feminist activists and religious prudes have ideological agendas of prohibition that they would pursue in the absence of coercion and trafficking. Then the business of rescue becomes a corrupt lie.
DickTracy25
01-30-13, 15:43
And which place is involved in human trafficking?Most AMP raided were investigated for it, but rather if it turned out is another story, try read Civilbeat sometimes, they will tell you more details about AMP raids.
The two oldest providers I've ever had were in their early sixties, and they were actually quite good.
Here's a 71-year-old senior citizen on the mainland who was advertising her services. Well, doctors do advise elderly folks to "stay active," LOL.
If she can still earn money in this business at that age, rather than being arrested she should receive an award from the Small Business Administration.
(To follow the forum rules, I've not posted her last name.)
Sygun L. 71, Arrested For Prostitution In Connecticut.
Connecticut authorities arrested an elderly woman on prostitution charges following a raid at a Glastonbury hotel.
According to agent James Kennedy of the Glastonbury Police Department, authorities were tipped off to 71-year-old Sygun L's alleged prostitution activities by an advertisement in the classified section of Backpage. Com.
L, according to police, promoted herself in the escort section of the website under the name "Lola." The ad is now defunct, however a cached version of an ad for a "Lola" who was working in that area at the time reads:
"Older is Better. A well preserved beauty. All natural and busty 38DD. Sexy, fit, warm and friendly."
Similar ads indicate "Lola" went by various ages from 60 up, and turned tricks for $150. An apparent small sum compared to similar ads by much younger women who request $300 plus for sexual services.
"A truly mature escort with over 25 years experience in delivering a symphony of luxury and sensual delight to discriminating professional gentlemen both younger and older who can afford the best and who prefer their women a bit older but a lot better. My background is French and German mix with soft beautiful skin, perfectly groomed from head to toe. Fine lingerie is a must to complete this picture of sensuous refinement and elegance," reads another "Lola" ad posted at eros-hartford. Com.
Kennedy told The Huffington Post that members of the East Central Narcotics Task Force saw the ad Friday and an undercover officer answered the ad. L allegedly agreed to a "deal for sexual acts" and instructed an undercover agent to meet her at the Homewood Suites in Glastonbury.
Surveillance units were dispatched to the hotel and took L into custody.
L, a resident of nearby Westport, was charged with a single count of prostitution and bond was set at $500 non-surety. It is not clear Monday if L has an attorney. She did not immediately respond to a request for comment from HuffPost.
most amp raided were investigated for it, but rather if it turned out is another story, try read civilbeat sometimes, they will tell you more details about amp raids.brother tracy, i have no need to read civil beat about amps. civil beat subsumes the topic of prostitution in its website within the topic human trafficking. not the other way around. it is propaganda for the activists. same with hawaii reporter. instead, i have had face to face encounters and discussions with the asian women that predominate the amps in town. over a hundred in the last few years. others on this board who have been around much longer would know even more. i have not come across a shred of evidence or a hint of pimp coercion or human trafficking. and i ask, sometimes gingerly sometimes bluntly. it would be more productive for you and for us, brother tracy, if you share some reports of your sessions with these women than to raise the issues of trafficking, **** girls or stds.
peace to you, my brother.
DickTracy25
01-31-13, 05:45
brother tracy, i have no need to read civil beat about amps. civil beat subsumes the topic of prostitution in its website within the topic human trafficking. not the other way around. it is propaganda for the activists. same with hawaii reporter. instead, i have had face to face encounters and discussions with the asian women that predominate the amps in town. over a hundred in the last few years. others on this board who have been around much longer would know even more. i have not come across a shred of evidence or a hint of pimp coercion or human trafficking. and i ask, sometimes gingerly sometimes bluntly. it would be more productive for you and for us, brother tracy, if you share some reports of your sessions with these women than to raise the issues of trafficking, **** girls or stds. peace to you, my brother.huh. not a single pimp? read the acticle below maybe that would refresh your mind.
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/350-ward-avenues-relaxation-parlors-hot-spot-for-prostitution-state-licensing-violations/123
DickTracy25
01-31-13, 15:57
if the system is recording you, then i see cause for concern, such that you could have unintended consequences when patronizing their business if something fishy occurs while you happen to be there (i. e. material witness, or vilified publicly if the people making their stand against "sex slavery" got a hold of the footage). in that case, i would definitely avoid the premises. appreciate anyone on the board who is "sit down and eat kim-chee" freindly with the ms or providers, or otherwise knowledgeable to out any amp that has memory system recorded video being archived.
my 2cents.
-wno matter if you have been recorded or not, you are going to get detained for questioning, if the federal agents and local police are involved in a raid such as for human trafficking, sex slavery, and **** hiring, (see link below) they are going to gather infors from all of the witnesses, so. they can prosecute those evil people that are involved
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/350-wa.violations/123
Huh. Not a single pimp? Read the acticle below maybe that would refresh your mind.
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/350-ward-avenues-relaxation-parlors-hot-spot-for-prostitution-state-licensing-violations/123Brother Tracy, thank you so much for bringing up the two Hawaii Reporter articles from the spring of 2011, when Zimmerman and her sidekick went on a full frontal assault on the AMPs, no doubt after general staff meetings with Xian and PASS. I am afraid there have been much unintended consequences of their actions. First, nothing in this world could corroborate my claim stronger that coercion and trafficking is nonexistent among the Asian women who predominate at the local AMPs than the existence of these two articles. You would think that since AMPs are all over the place and have been around for decades the activists and the propaganda mouthpieces could come up with more than one or two cases of coercion at the AMPs. But guess what? That is all they have. A couple of cases involving transplanted white mainland girl and a local girl. As far as I am concerned girls with these backgrounds should not even be working at the AMPs. These cases are statistical outliers that are way out there. Cases of coercion are conspicuous for their rarity. Rather than proving coercion is a problem or part of a pattern afflicting the AMPs, these articles in effect prove the opposite.
Of course there are pimps around town brutalizing streetwalkers and escorts. But I am not part of this world. Others would have to save these poor girls.
And if you were to say that one case is too many at the AMPs, as that Levy clown did on the tv special on Honolulu prostitution in general, then I would have to say that the prohibition mentality, uncompromising and fanatical, is more dangerous to the social fabric than are the existence of pimps and coercion.
I hope you would come to the view that what we have at our local AMPs is very good, that the glass is half full rather than half empty. Live and let live. Peace to you my brother.
DickTracy25
02-01-13, 17:07
Brother Tracy, thank you so much for bringing up the two Hawaii Reporter articles from the spring of 2011, when Zimmerman and her sidekick went on a full frontal assault on the AMPs, no doubt after general staff meetings with Xian and PASS. I am afraid there have been much unintended consequences of their actions. First, nothing in this world could corroborate my claim stronger that coercion and trafficking is nonexistent among the Asian women who predominate at the local AMPs than the existence of these two articles. You would think that since AMPs are all over the place and have been around for decades the activists and the propaganda mouthpieces could come up with more than one or two cases of coercion at the AMPs. But guess what? That is all they have. A couple of cases involving transplanted white mainland girl and a local girl. As far as I am concerned girls with these backgrounds should not even be working at the AMPs. These cases are statistical outliers that are way out there. Cases of coercion are conspicuous for their rarity. Rather than proving coercion is a problem or part of a pattern afflicting the AMPs, these articles in effect prove the opposite.
Of course there are pimps around town brutalizing streetwalkers and escorts. But I am not part of this world. Others would have to save these poor girls.
And if you were to say that one case is too many at the AMPs, as that Levy clown did on the tv special on Honolulu prostitution in general, then I would have to say that the prohibition mentality, uncompromising and fanatical, is more dangerous to the social fabric than are the existence of pimps and coercion.
I hope you would come to the view that what we have at our local AMPs is very good, that the glass is half full rather than half empty. Live and let live. Peace to you my brother.There was strong evident Pimp was involved in one case and felony charges of interstate promotion of prostitution also happened at AMP, both parties that was involved have gone to prison, both cases had made it to the national news. Feds and local LE will continue to investigate and crack down these evil acts for sure.
There was strong evident Pimp was involved in one case and felony charges of interstate promotion of prostitution also happened at AMP, both parties that was involved have gone to prison, both cases had made it to the national news. Feds and local LE will continue to investigate and crack down these evil acts for sure.It is nice to see that your true voice has come forward showing your motives for being on this forum.
DickTracy25
02-01-13, 23:34
It is nice to see that your true voice has come forward showing your motives for being on this forum.Yo. Pimps and human trafficing have no business at AMP, they need to clean up the scums of the earth so all of us can enjoy the AMP in a clean way.
Seniors, lets move on. This guy is not here to give intel but to discourage the act of mongering. NEXT SUBJECT.
BTW. II think he / she is not alone.
MrFunStuff808
02-02-13, 13:23
Yo. Pimps and human trafficing have no business at AMP, they need to clean up the scums of the earth so all of us can enjoy the AMP in a clean way.Wait a minute! You mean the girls at the AMP are prostitutes?
DickTracy25
02-02-13, 22:58
Wait a minute! You mean the girls at the AMP are prostitutes?Where did you hear that?
Seniors, lets move on. This guy is not here to give intel but to discourage the act of mongering. NEXT SUBJECT.
BTW. II think he / she is not alone.Did I get Man'ti Teo? My Brother is a sista? LOL. And definitely not alone.
Bobb Sledd
02-03-13, 06:55
Wait a minute! You mean the girls at the AMP are prostitutes?I don't know about anyone else, I only go there for the massages. And I just read the articles. I swear!
I don't know about anyone else, I only go there for the massages. And I just read the articles. I swear!I think this whole forum is made up. No way there is any prostitution going on. On the real though, hawaii reporter at is wack. Why the media always got to post things about the rare cases when a pimp is doing bad things? These girls are here of their own free will.
LuckyStarr808
02-03-13, 09:13
I don't know about anyone else, I only go there for the massages. And I just read the articles. I swear!LOL. I thought 'happy endings' were a myth.
Wldcat1969
02-03-13, 16:04
My biggest hang up with going to an AMP was I didn't know if they were here freely or against their will (guess 20 yrs in the military will do that to you). I've always wanted to go but didn't want to be a part of it if I couldn't take it at face value. So thanks for all the reports and conversations. I've spent almost 3 yrs in Korea but could never enjoy the local scene due to pretty stringent rules over there. But now. I think a visit to Roses is in order.
WraithOfGod
02-11-13, 05:38
Brother Tracy, thank you so much for bringing up the two Hawaii Reporter articles from the spring of 2011, when Zimmerman and her sidekick went on a full frontal assault on the AMPs, no doubt after general staff meetings with Xian and PASS. I am afraid there have been much unintended consequences of their actions. First, nothing in this world could corroborate my claim stronger that coercion and trafficking is nonexistent among the Asian women who predominate at the local AMPs than the existence of these two articles. You would think that since AMPs are all over the place and have been around for decades the activists and the propaganda mouthpieces could come up with more than one or two cases of coercion at the AMPs. But guess what? That is all they have. A couple of cases involving transplanted white mainland girl and a local girl. As far as I am concerned girls with these backgrounds should not even be working at the AMPs. These cases are statistical outliers that are way out there. Cases of coercion are conspicuous for their rarity. Rather than proving coercion is a problem or part of a pattern afflicting the AMPs, these articles in effect prove the opposite.
Of course there are pimps around town brutalizing streetwalkers and escorts. But I am not part of this world. Others would have to save these poor girls.
And if you were to say that one case is too many at the AMPs, as that Levy clown did on the tv special on Honolulu prostitution in general, then I would have to say that the prohibition mentality, uncompromising and fanatical, is more dangerous to the social fabric than are the existence of pimps and coercion.
I hope you would come to the view that what we have at our local AMPs is very good, that the glass is half full rather than half empty. Live and let live. Peace to you my brother.Just a note on PASS, they actually want the Swedish model, from what I gather at the Ledge. In other words, they want to legalize offering sex for pay, but up the penalties on paying for sex. Sounds paradoxical, but there are a few countries that are experimenting with it. The idea is that it cuts down on mongers by increasing the risk, but shields providers from prosecution, so that real victims won't be retraumatized by the legal system. And for what it's worth, Oocolumbo and I have clashed at times, but he's right about PASS's motives. They're proposing some crazy shit, this year, that could make our mongering lives a lot more difficult.
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Recently noticed this interesting case from Maine on the news. A defendant was criminally charged with forty-five counts of "invasion of privacy," and one count of "conspiracy to commit a violation of privacy," for recording videos and photos of "disrobed" customers of a prostitute at the prostitute's place of business without the consent of the customers. The Maine Supreme Court approved the trial court's dismissal of those criminal charges, stating:
"Places of prostitution and people who knowingly frequent them to engage a prostitute are not sanctioned by society. Accordingly, it is objectively unreasonable for a person who knowingly enters a place of prostitution for the purpose of engaging a prostitute to expect that society recognizes a right to be safe from surveillance while inside."
Wonder whether Hawaii courts would agree?
My biggest hang up with going to an AMP was I didn't know if they were here freely or against their will (guess 20 yrs in the military will do that to you). I've always wanted to go but didn't want to be a part of it if I couldn't take it at face value. So thanks for all the reports and conversations. I've spent almost 3 yrs in Korea but could never enjoy the local scene due to pretty stringent rules over there. But now. I think a visit to Roses is in order.I've been on both the inside and outside of the AMP biz and even though it may have happened before in VERY isolated cases, you can be assured that the popular girls mention here currently are on their own free will.
L Blueballs
03-01-13, 19:13
[QUOTE=Wonder whether Hawaii courts would agree?[/QUOTE]Generally, in the commission of a crime, a lot of things no longer apply, e. G. No insurance coverage if you blow your house up making explosives. While their ruling carries on in this vein, I'd like to know their precedent, if there is one.
I wonder how long before KBG gets citizenship after they get married.
I often wonder how can bars & girls not pay taxes.
PoiPounder
03-07-13, 04:15
I often wonder how can bars & girls not pay taxes.Bars need to pay some taxes. The idea is not to get greedy. Liquor Commision always audits books so your booze purchases versus your booze sales need to jive, as well as the food and misc. Stuff. Liquor Commission is very good at finding discrepencies including watering down booze or replacing high end stuff. Where they can cheat is with hostess non-alcoholic drinks (tea). They even have to watch the bartenders from stealing. Cameras all pointed at the register and drink station.
If the girls are not registered at the bar, they can make good money. Most bars don't allow unregistered hostesses, but the cabarets don't register all of the girls that arrive at 2am. That's the money round or hustle time for unregistered girls. Same at Exotic Nights for strippers. Most pay some taxes to avoid the IRS or other LE. Transients, who move from one bar to another, usually don't. Knew a few registered, tax paying girls, that skimmed the bars (pocket the $20 and refill with tea / drink from another table). Sometimes the girls worked as a team to do this. I would get upset that my friends used me for their scams. They would take from my green tea can and load a lot of ice. They keep $10Ks all around their apartment (drawers, matress, etc.) They would live in fear, that their place would get broken into or someone would follow her home. Most transients don't live here long. The ones I know visit for months then go back to the Mainland or their home country.
I wonder how long before KBG gets citizenship after they get married.I believe that the earliest they can apply for citizenship would be 3 years after getting their Green Card.
Green card.
I wonder how long before KBG gets citizenship after they get married.As I understand it, an American citizen's wife who's already in Hawaii may apply for a Green Card (permanent USA resident status) right away if the American citizen husband concurrently files a petition to sponsor his wife as an "immediate relative." Then after having permanent resident status for at least three years, the wife may apply for United States citizenship. Of course, there are indeterminate waiting periods after filing these applications. This is just from general knowledge, so if anyone on the forum is an expert in this field, please feel free to provide further information.
I got this little item in my Facebook feed from the Pleasure Police at Hawaii Alliance to Stop Slavery or the Hawaii Alliance to Rain on Men's Parade:
"Hawaii Senate Bill 194 (part of the End Demand for Prostitution Campaign) passed its final hearing today and heads to conference for deliberation. If it survives conference, no longer will "johns" be able to repeatedly use a plea of no contest and 6 months good behavior to expunge their criminal records!"
I got this little item in my Facebook feed from the Pleasure Police at Hawaii Alliance to Stop Slavery or the Hawaii Alliance to Rain on Men's Parade:
"Hawaii Senate Bill 194 (part of the End Demand for Prostitution Campaign) passed its final hearing today and heads to conference for deliberation. If it survives conference, no longer will "johns" be able to repeatedly use a plea of no contest and 6 months good behavior to expunge their criminal records!"Can someone tell ne what all that mean in layman's term. That's only if you was set up by a sting, right? You don't mean the girls can rat you, right?
Incogfilipino
03-15-13, 01:08
Can someone tell ne what all that mean in layman's term. That's only if you was set up by a sting, right? You don't mean the girls can rat you, right?Based on just the little I see here, as a caught solicitor of a prostitute, when you went to the hearing for it you could plead no contest and simply be a good boy for six months. At that point you could go back and remove the occurrence from your record completely (expunge). From what it seems like, this tactic could be used multiple times, but I guess the bill is to stop offenders from repeating because right now they can pretty much get away with getting caught once every six months or so.
Stangman808
03-15-13, 02:00
Based on just the little I see here, as a caught solicitor of a prostitute, when you went to the hearing for it you could plead no contest and simply be a good boy for six months. At that point you could go back and remove the occurrence from your record completely (expunge). From what it seems like, this tactic could be used multiple times, but I guess the bill is to stop offenders from repeating because right now they can pretty much get away with getting caught once every six months or so.What you are referring to is called a "Deferred Acceptance Plea". If the court grants you this you will have to abide by the conditions set forth by the court. If you are successful, then at the end of the deferral period the case can be dismissed. In the case of Prostitution it is a Petty Misdemeanor and usual penalty for a "Deferred Acceptance Plea" is a $500 payment to the State General Fund, $30 payment to the State Criminal Injuries Compensation Fund and to remain arrest and conviction free for six months. During this time you will be monitored by the Courts Probation Office for compliance. It is usually granted to first time offenders and in Hawaii you generally only get one Deferred Acceptance Plea in your life time. To get more than one Deferred Acceptance Plea you will have to demonstrate extraordinary circumstances to the court.
Patrick Batman
03-15-13, 16:54
Side note: the six months of being a good boy applies only if you are arrested and charged with prostitution outside of a Weed-and-Seed zone. In other words, areas outside of Chinatown-Kalihi-Palama, Waipahu, & Ewa / Ewa Beach.
I'm embarrassed to say that I was busted in a Chinatown area for solicitation once and was allowed expungement, but I had to wait FOUR years before being allowed to apply simply because I was busted in a Weed & Seed zone.
Just throwing this little piece of info out there.
Stangman808
03-16-13, 00:24
Side note: the six months of being a good boy applies only if you are arrested and charged with prostitution outside of a Weed-and-Seed zone. In other words, areas outside of Chinatown-Kalihi-Palama, Waipahu, & Ewa / Ewa Beach.
I'm embarrassed to say that I was busted in a Chinatown area for solicitation once and was allowed expungement, but I had to wait FOUR years before being allowed to apply simply because I was busted in a Weed & Seed zone.
Just throwing this little piece of info out there."Deferred Acceptance Pleas" for Prostitution (HRS 712-1200) apply to the Weed & Seed areas. If you are in full compliance with the terms of your 6 month deferral, at the end of the deferral period the case is Dismissed. But you will have to wait to apply for your record to be expunged. That's the way the legislature set up the law concerning Deferred Acceptance Pleas.
Patrick Batman
03-16-13, 04:55
Yep, that's correct. What I meant to say was that you can apply for expungement after just ONE year if outside of a weed and seed. I was shocked when I found out I had to wait FOUR.
Niceguy808
03-22-13, 05:43
I hope they both die in prison.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130321_2_California_men_indicted_in_Oahu_sextrafficking_case.html?id=199476221
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130321_Accused_spy_seeks_bail_from_federal_judge_in_Honolulu.html
Is Chinese pussy that good that a guy would give military secrets?
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130321_Accused_spy_seeks_bail_from_federal_judge_in_Honolulu.html
Is Chinese pussy that good that a guy would give military secrets?I can understand if was a Korean pussy. So far all the Chinese pussy is only so so. I wouldn't write home about it.
DickTracy25
03-24-13, 19:39
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130321_Accused_spy_seeks_bail_from_federal_judge_in_Honolulu.html
Is Chinese pussy that good that a guy would give military secrets?A 27 years old Chinese girl in love with a 59 old man, sound kind of fishy.
A 27 years old Chinese girl in love with a 59 old man, sound kind of fishy.Probably smelled fishy too.
A 27 years old Chinese girl in love with a 59 old man, sound kind of fishy.An old man thinks with his little head.
Member #4374
03-24-13, 23:16
Probably smelled fishy too.Probably smelled like Chinatown.
A 27 years old Chinese girl in love with a 59 old man, sound kind of fishy.I was just at a local eatery around Kapiolani area. Inside was a stunning, tall, gorgeous Korean girl (20s) with an older, graying haole guy (late-50/early-60s). Her English was good enough sounding that I wouldn't think she was an "industry" worker. She sounded Americanized enough that I think she has to have a mainstream vocation. But I just couldn't figure out why someone with her attributes was with this dude. Every guy in the place stealthily watched her walk out with him in her painted on jeans.
How many mongers here pick up the girls from AMPs or K-bars for casual days out? Maybe she was a K-bar girl?
I did get Penny's (CHM) number and promised to take her hiking. I just have to find a day I can do it.
I was just at a local eatery around Kapiolani area. Inside was a stunning, tall, gorgeous Korean girl (20s) with an older, graying haole guy (late-50 / early-60s). Her English was good enough sounding that I wouldn't think she was an "industry" worker. She sounded Americanized enough that I think she has to have a mainstream vocation. But I just couldn't figure out why someone with her attributes was with this dude. Every guy in the place stealthily watched her walk out with him in her painted on jeans.
How many mongers here pick up the girls from AMPs or K-bars for casual days out? Maybe she was a K-bar girl?
I did get Penny's (CHM) number and promised to take her hiking. I just have to find a day I can do it.Eh Brah! Why you make fun of me and my young girl friend? You think I no mo game? Oh, not me, I'm mid 60s. I old guy but still get plenty black hair. I get so many young girls who like go out with me. They say it's my wonderful personality and intellect. Plus, my tongue is very experienced. You younger guys cannot compete with that.
DickTracy25
03-25-13, 04:09
I was just at a local eatery around Kapiolani area. Inside was a stunning, tall, gorgeous Korean girl (20s) with an older, graying haole guy (late-50 / early-60s). Her English was good enough sounding that I wouldn't think she was an "industry" worker. She sounded Americanized enough that I think she has to have a mainstream vocation. But I just couldn't figure out why someone with her attributes was with this dude. Every guy in the place stealthily watched her walk out with him in her painted on jeans.
How many mongers here pick up the girls from AMPs or K-bars for casual days out? Maybe she was a K-bar girl?
I did get Penny's (CHM) number and promised to take her hiking. I just have to find a day I can do it.I doubt the young girl was an AMP girl. She sure be making more money at an AMP than going out with an old fart like him. Why wasting her time? The K girl that you saw could be a BG. Going out with customers is part of their job for some, see that in Kapiolani area all the time especially at bar closing time. If the old man spend lot of $$ on her. Who knows. He probably have a chance to take her home for a night cap.
I saw that at Splash one night, an ugly / fat older dude in his 60's. Walking out with a pretty BG in her late 20's, holding her hands. They hopped to his car and drove off.
Eh Brah! Why you make fun of me and my young girl friend? You think I no mo game? Oh, not me, I'm mid 60s. I old guy but still get plenty black hair. I get so many young girls who like go out with me. They say it's my wonderful personality and intellect. Plus, my tongue is very experienced. You younger guys cannot compete with that.Haha! Hey now, I'm not poking fun, LOL! I may not be as old as the guy I described, but if that same girl were with me, people would also say,"look at that hot young girl with that old guy," as well! Anyway, it's apparent that perks of some sort were in play.
EThey say it's my wonderful personality and intellect.
You know, there is something to that too! I've had platonic/semi-working relationships with 20 y.o. girls that turned very, very flirty after a few afternoons together of banter!
Hey guys, be safe out there as there was another stabbing at Keeaumoku McDonalds on Sunday morning. The stabbing followed another brawl with 20+ people that spilled onto the street. A few weeks ago there was a large melee that moved onto Keeaumoku, now this one spread to Sheridan. HPD will be increasing their presence in the area, and Liquor Commission will be investigating. There was a report of an all nighter at LZ, so they might have a visit from LC. As an old fart, I don't like these kiddie bars as they only create problems. I haven't gone to Camelot since LZ opened and do not like to be in Evergreen after 2 am.
Hey guys, be safe out there as there was another stabbing at Keeaumoku McDonalds on Sunday morning. The stabbing followed another brawl with 20+ people that spilled onto the street. A few weeks ago there was a large melee that moved onto Keeaumoku, now this one spread to Sheridan. HPD will be increasing their presence in the area, and Liquor Commission will be investigating. There was a report of an all nighter at LZ, so they might have a visit from LC. As an old fart, I don't like these kiddie bars as they only create problems. I haven't gone to Camelot since LZ opened and do not like to be in Evergreen after 2 am.Residents in the area blame the bars for the the recent incidents and are very critical of all the bars in the keeaumoku area. IMO, Its the kiddie bars along with shady charactors hanging around McDonalds late at night causing the troubles and NOT the KBs as its been relatively incident free for many years except for the occasional crazy non regular or young punks acting up. Be careful this weekend bros as a lot of people will br out and about.
Residents in the area blame the bars for the the recent incidents and are very critical of all the bars in the keeaumoku area. IMO, Its the kiddie bars along with shady charactors hanging around McDonalds late at night causing the troubles and NOT the KBs as its been relatively incident free for many years except for the occasional crazy non regular or young punks acting up. Be careful this weekend bros as a lot of people will br out and about.You know it, I know it and the other mongers know it. It is just that the neighborhood board doesn't like having bars, strip clubs and AMPs in the area and will lump the problems with all bars. Hopefully the HLC will find it was due to the kiddie bars and not the other clubs that are contributing to the problems in the area. Then present their findings to the Neighborhood board and place severe sanctions to the bar responsible. I might be wrong, but I don't think the area had this kind of frequent problems until LZ opened.
It seems that people are endlessly interested in the topic of male endowment, LOL.
Below is the currently "most read" and "most e-mailed" article on the Time magazine website.
Good news for less-endowed men is in the last paragraph. A man's overall body shape as measured by the shoulder to hip ratio, which can be improved with weightlifting and other exercise, was "far more important" than penis size in attractiveness ratings by women who participated in the study.
Size Does Matter: Study Shows Women Judge Male Attractiveness by Penis Size.
Call it sexist or sensationalist, but now science suggests it's so: women find men with bigger penises more attractive.
Reporting in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, researchers led by Brian Mautz, now a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Ottawa in Canada, studied how 105 young Australian women rated attractiveness in males.
The researchers, including those from Monash University and Australian National University, asked the women to view life-size video clips of computer-generated images of naked men who varied in height, body shape and flaccid penis size, but not in other qualities like facial attractiveness and hair. The women gave each image a rating from 1 to 7 on total sexual attractiveness, rather than assessing individual characteristics.
"We show that penis size actually is important on some level and, importantly, it interacts with other traits," says Mautz.
The size of a model's member, for example, had a greater influence on attractiveness if the model were tall, since proportion may have been an important factor in how appealing the men appeared to the women."A change in penis size has a larger effect for taller men than it does for other heights," Mautz says."This result could be because penis size was smaller when assessed relative to the height of a taller man, the authors note.
But height was equally important. Shorter men with larger penises were ranked as more attractive than shorter men who were not as well endowed, but they still remained on the low end of the scale for overall appeal, says Mautz."You'd think that if penis size is super attractive, it might help shorter guys more. It does increase attractiveness for short men, but they still are under average in attractiveness scores."
It turns out there may also be a threshold for the ideal size, which may also work against the vertically challenged; the study found that above about 3 inches, additional enlargement in genitalia doesn't make that much of a difference in attractiveness, regardless of a man's height.
That's not to say that there's an upper limit on penis size, however; Mautz and his team did not find an upper maximum on desired size, but noted that "the most attractive penis size" appeared to fall outside the range used in the study, which was designed to capture 95% of the variability women would encounter. So although attractiveness beyond the 3 inches continued to increase in a linear fashion, it did so at a slower rate.
The results may not be as superficial as they seem. Based on evolutionary principles, it could be possible that women look to penis size to judge a man's appropriateness as a mate; the size of a man's member may indicate an ability to sire and produce healthy and robust children (something that obviously tended to play a greater role before developed societies began wearing clothes). And that, say the researchers, might help to explain why men have evolved relatively large penises in relation to those of other primates.
While size may matter, the findings don't suggest that only size matters. In fact, body shape overall was far more important than either height or genital endowment. While height and penis size only accounted for five to six percent of the variance in attractiveness ratings, eighty percent of attractiveness was actually determined by shoulder to hip ratio. So, a gym membership is likely to do far more good than anything advertised in spam in boosting your luck with the ladies.
It seems that people are endlessly interested in the topic of male endowment, LOL.
Below is the currently "most read" and "most e-mailed" article on the Time magazine website.
Good news for less-endowed men is in the last paragraph. A man's overall body shape as measured by the shoulder to hip ratio, which can be improved with weightlifting and other exercise, was "far more important" than penis size in attractiveness ratings by women who participated in the study.Well this proves what I knew all along. That is why I have been exercising religiously for the last twenty years. Its funny that they have to waste all that research money to prove what we men already know in our instinctual minds. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that women are going to be attracted to fitter men. Aren't men attracted to fitter women also? DUH!
It seems that people are endlessly interested in the topic of male endowment, LOL.
Below is the currently "most read" and "most e-mailed" article on the Time magazine website.
Good news for less-endowed men is in the last paragraph. A man's overall body shape as measured by the shoulder to hip ratio, which can be improved with weightlifting and other exercise, was "far more important" than penis size in attractiveness ratings by women who participated in the study.A thinner waist also gives the illusion of the penis being larger.
Hilifter37
04-09-13, 22:31
A thinner waist also gives the illusion of the penis being larger.I know that for a fact! When I am at 275 lbs, my penis is shorter by about half a inch to 1 inch, compared to when I am at 175 lbs.
Well this proves what I knew all along. That is why I have been exercising religiously for the last twenty years. Its funny that they have to waste all that research money to prove what we men already know in our instinctual minds. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that women are going to be attracted to fitter men. Aren't men attracted to fitter women also? DUH!Although there are some other findings of that study that I think are interesting, I agree that the research funds would be better spent on more important matters, such as cancer research.
Anti-prostitution forces often try to portray providers as mostly "exploited" and downtrodden women who would rather be in some other line of work.
Thus, the following news report about successful female sexual entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley (California) is refreshing.
As one of the providers perceptively points out, sex work can be "very feminist and very empowering," in addition to being financially lucrative.
Silicon Valley's other entrepreneurs: Sex workers.
In a quiet cafe outside San Francisco, Josephine, a local prostitute, arranges a collection of t-shirts across the table. They're emblazoned with phrases like "Winter is Coming" and "Geeks Make Better Lovers." She wears them in her online ads to catch the eye of the area's well-off engineers and programmers.
"I'm trying to communicate to them that I understand a little bit what it's like to be techy, nerdy, geeky," she says. There's another thing Josephine and her clients have in common: Like many of the techies she caters to, Josephine views herself as an entrepreneur. She says "I consider myself to be a small business owner."
The Bay Area's high wages and concentration of young guys with disposable income have made it a magnet for sex workers, a broad term that can refer to a number of services, including sexual massage, prostitution, and escort and dominatrix work."It seems like a lot of out-of-town providers come into town to work in the Valley," says Karen, who charges $500 an hour and caters to the area's tech executives.
It's no surprise that a region where a sizable population is flush with cash has a thriving adult services industry. What's more intriguing is how those in the industry are using both the tools and the language of the area's tech startups to build their businesses, and to try to change the public perception of their work.
Kitty Stryker, a self-described "steampunk courtesan" who rents her time for $350 an hour on up, has a day job as a social media marketer for a local startup. She uses the same apps to grow her evening business.
"Everything I know about social media marketing, I learned doing sex work," she says."Currently I'm using Hootsuite a lot; I'm using Klout a little bit. I also use Twitter calendar, which is just this simple free thing, but it's got very interesting analytics data."
Stryker is a vocal advocate for the right of women to choose sex work and pursue it safely. She's proud of her job and spoke about it recently on "The Whorecast," a podcast created by Siouxsie Q, a stripper, sex worker and activist.
"I consider the sex work that I do my career," Siouxsie says."I would like the podcast to be a vehicle to really humanize sex work and have people see that I am just a girl trying to make a living and pursue the American dream."
Siouxsie goes about building her client base in ways that will sound familiar to many small business operators."I have an Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, I have two websites, and I have Google Voice," she says.
Twitter is an especially good marketing tool for her for video business, which includes live shows where viewers can pay to interact with her."When I'm doing a shoot or I'm doing a cam show, I will absolutely take pictures and put them out there and say, 'Hey, this is what you're missing out on. ' The more I tweet, the more folks end up in the chat room."
Like the startup founders who flock to the Bay Area, sex workers see their own potential for striking gold.
"There's a lot of competition to get the big-name clients," says Karen, who estimates that she's made close to $1 million over the decade she's been working in the area."When you do land them, I've heard of women getting condos, whatever they need."
Unless minors are involved, prostitution is typically a lower-priority crime for law enforcement agencies. In San Jose, the sprawling city that calls itself the capital of Silicon Valley, the vice unit was disbanded in 2011 because of budget constraints. Still, prostitution arrests rose 35 percent last year.
"Business is good out here," says Sgt. Kyle Oki of the San Jose Police Department."The girls say they can make more money here than in other cities."
Sgt. Oki works on San Jose's Human Trafficking Task Force, which focuses on stopping coerced prostitution. He sees technology as one of the sex trade's biggest growth drivers. With websites and smartphones, buyers and sellers who would never be comfortable trolling out on the street in public can arrange for discreet transactions, he says.
Those same tools are helping sex workers set the terms of their employment.
"When I first started, the online presence was really limited to the gentlemen, who were looking for women to hire," says Josephine. Those "hobbyists," as regular clients call themselves, have dozens of review sites where they can offer appraisals of the providers they frequent.
Now the women are turning the tables."I'm beta-testing a program right now, a national registry for sex workers," Josephine says."I go in and put in information about my clients in a very discreet and very secure way."
Siouxsie Q says she finds sex work "very feminist and very empowering." The paychecks are a big lure, she admits."I live a fairly extravagant lifestyle for a 27-year-old living in San Francisco. I go out to eat, I buy nice clothes, I go on trips." But she also likes performing and interacting physically with her clients.
Any paying job involves work, she points out.
"I'm quoting Belle de Jour, who did Secret Diary of a Call Girl, but you know, you sell the strength of your arms when you dig a hole. Selling our bodies, which everyone thinks of as this big scary thing, anyone who has a job that requires labor does that."
Josephine says her tech-themed online ads are both a marketing ploy and a savvy business move: They help bring in a clientele she says she genuinely enjoys spending time with. In her off hours, she goes to cons, dabbles in programming, and watches Game of Thrones.
"I like to bring in the kinds of people who I like being around," she says.
Karen's clients, almost all of them from the tech industry, are "young guys who have the money to spend on what they need," she says."When they're working long days, this is something they simply see as what they need."
Stryker has a similar outlook. She's a comics fan with tattoos of molecules on her neck, who considers herself a natural-born nerd and is happy to "train" geeky clients on how to interact with those they're smitten with.
"You explain it to them in a way that's like a formula," she says."Then they say 'ohhhh, math. It's math. Eventually if I plug these things into the formula, it will work. ' I speak geek. It's a way we can communicate that they understand."
Stryker's business tends to rise and fall with the tech industry tides, she says, and right now, it's booming."People are starting to feel like they can treat themselves a little bit more."
Josephine also says her clients are feeling more secure and spending freely again, after a big drop-off during the recession.
"It's interesting to hear on the news about the economy and how it's recovering," she says."If you were to gauge by my business, it's recovering a lot faster."
Anti-prostitution forces often try to portray providers as mostly "exploited" and downtrodden women who would rather be in some other line of work.
Thus, the following news report about successful female sexual entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley (California) is refreshing.
As one of the providers perceptively points out, sex work can be "very feminist and very empowering," in addition to being financially lucrative.Proving my point that all you got to do in America to succeed is look good. I think that all the fat, old, and ugly women providers in America are "physically disadvantaged". The system is unfair. Its rigged. Maybe we should tax these successful prettier providers at a higher tax rate and redistribute that income across the less successful fat, old, ugly providers. That way everything would be fair and utopian. I mean why should only the pretty providers have all the money? It's just not fair!
Well this proves what I knew all along. That is why I have been exercising religiously for the last twenty years. Its funny that they have to waste all that research money to prove what we men already know in our instinctual minds. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that women are going to be attracted to fitter men. Aren't men attracted to fitter women also? DUH!I exercise too but Jamba Juice is fucking with my waistline.
I exercise too but Jamba Juice is fucking with my waistline.That was funny.
Captin Crunch
04-18-13, 22:27
What does FM mean?According to Oldee FM means coming out to drink and buying him drinks. Heehee!
What does FM mean? (F)lash (M)ob
I exercise too but Jamba Juice is fucking with my waistline.You have to order the smoothies that are pure juice or with non-fat, sugar-free yogurt base. Anything other than those kind of smoothies, the calories are packed in there!
Anti-prostitution forces often try to portray providers as mostly "exploited" and downtrodden women who would rather be in some other line of work.
Thus, the following news report about successful female sexual entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley (California) is refreshing.
As one of the providers perceptively points out, sex work can be "very feminist and very empowering," in addition to being financially lucrative.I think the thing that scares bible-thumpers and anti-sex feminists the most is a woman who enjoys sex and has no hangups about making it a financial transaction. A woman like this is not buying into the BS about eternal damnation, that all heterosexual sex is really non-consensual or that there's anything wrong with taking money for sex.
You can hear them screaming,"A prostitute? Who's not trafficked? Who does it willingly? Where are we going to get our grant money from?"
Women are raised to believe that the worst thing you can do is have sex for money. But whoring your skills or talents in any other way is fine. In fact, it's respectable sell your mind (or body, if you're an athlete) and demand a lot of money if you happen to be good at anything else other than being on your back.
To be fair, I've rarely met women in the sex industry who are this healthy. But how many people in your line of work are absolutely happy with what they're doing and just doing it for the money? The fact that sex work is one of the few industries where women make more than men says more about how fucked up society is than anyone who participates.
You have to order the smoothies that are pure juice or with non-fat, sugar-free yogurt base. Anything other than those kind of smoothies, the calories are packed in there!Friend of mine who used to be a competitive bodybuilder told me to stay away from fruit juice. Too many carbs.
Friend of mine who used to be a competitive bodybuilder told me to stay away from fruit juice. Too many carbs.Carbs come in different types. There are simple and complex carbs.
http://www.whathealth.com/sugar/
Carbs from fruit (natural) breakdown quickly in your body and give you energy and burn off quicker. Refined sugars like corn syrups and candy, etc, as well as processed starches (breads, etc.) take longer to break down and can remain in your system longer which can turn to fat.
Pure fruit juice is good for you. But there is the old adage, all things in moderation.
As for your body-builder friend, you have to remember, he is in a totally different place with his body. While your or I may not get much if any negative effects from fruit juice, he will as his rip will get smooth with even the slightest calorie gains, etc.
So for the average guy who wants to be healthy, juice is good for you man!
Goddamn these K-girls in this video are hot!
http://www.cnn.com/video/shows/anthony-bourdain-parts-unknown/episode2?hpt=hp_c4
You can hear them screaming,"A prostitute? Who's not trafficked? Who does it willingly? Where are we going to get our grant money from?"
Women are raised to believe that the worst thing you can do is have sex for money. But whoring your skills or talents in any other way is fine. In fact, it's respectable sell your mind (or body, if you're an athlete) and demand a lot of money if you happen to be good at anything else other than being on your back.If you ever notice how many times in some brothel throughout this world you can hear "OMG","Jesus Christ" "Give it to me, baby","Now who's your daddy"!
Only goes to say, women who made a financial gain and ENJOYING the sex are doing a great service to all those deprived men who can only fck their wives in the "church established "missionary position". At least the ones coming out with happy endings have "acknowledged" their savior in the process of emptying their sacks and no longer deprived. I thought that is a church requirement for the wife to serve the husband?
Hot damn, just watched it and lord knows how many new mongers it just spawned. Glad to see a story where the lucky guy got a freebie just because he's handsome boy LOL.
If you ever notice how many times in some brothel throughout this world you can hear "OMG","Jesus Christ" "Give it to me, baby","Now who's your daddy"!
Only goes to say, women who made a financial gain and ENJOYING the sex are doing a great service to all those deprived men who can only fck their wives in the "church established "missionary position". At least the ones coming out with happy endings have "acknowledged" their savior in the process of emptying their sacks and no longer deprived. I thought that is a church requirement for the wife to serve the husband?Sex, according to those people who believe in ruining a perfectly fine Sunday morning with waking up early and being judgemental, is strictly for procreation and not for pleasure.
If sex with your opposite-sex wife doesn't result in a kid and you enjoy it, well, you're going hell buddy. (Oh, and if you're going to follow the letter of the Bible, your wife had better be a virgin when you married her and if she isn't, then you need to stone her to death. And if your wife can't have kids, because that's the only reason why you're having sex, then it's ok to sleep with other women who can have kids. Good times and thanks JC!)
Some brothers have reported seeing plainclothes police in bars (particularly at Saigon Passion) in the strip club forum to give "warnings".
According to the Star-Advertiser, the police are stepping up their presence because of "violent incidents." They'll also be working with the liquor commission to "identify and address community concerns," whatever that means . Though it's probably to fine strip bars and probably the reason why Femme Nu is suddenly so interested making sure their dancer's legs stay on the stage.
I'm wondering if this is the start of a larger crackdown under the pretense of "public safety" or it's just one of those things that's going to blow over. (Bigger question. Who are the killjoys the liquor commission finds to be inspectors? It's not like they get bribes or free drinks anymore. Or do they?)
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130422_Police_check_in_on_Keeaumoku_bars_after_recent_violence.html
Secret Agent
04-24-13, 01:45
(Bigger question. Who are the killjoys the liquor commission finds to be inspectors? It's not like they get bribes or free drinks anymore. Or do they?)All the liquor commission guys are fuckin losers and some can be bribed. I was just at Lush when a bunch of them came in a couple weeks ago. Was at least two local guys, one japanese guy and one popolo guy. They went to a private booth with the curtain closed and started giving shit to whoever was in there. It seems the Liquor Commisioner is usually replaced every few years after being busted for taking bribes. I wouldn't be surprised if the turnover rate for the inspectors are high too. These fuckers probably failed to get into HPD and other real law enforcement, so they got a job with the Liquor Commision instead. It's hard to chill and have fun with chicks and these guys come in with puffy chests and ruin the mood. Whenever they come in me and my friends just leave for a different bar.
All the liquor commission guys are fuckin losers and some can be bribed. I was just at Lush when a bunch of them came in a couple weeks ago. Was at least two local guys, one japanese guy and one popolo guy. They went to a private booth with the curtain closed and started giving shit to whoever was in there. It seems the Liquor Commisioner is usually replaced every few years after being busted for taking bribes. I wouldn't be surprised if the turnover rate for the inspectors are high too. These fuckers probably failed to get into HPD and other real law enforcement, so they got a job with the Liquor Commision instead. It's hard to chill and have fun with chicks and these guys come in with puffy chests and ruin the mood. Whenever they come in me and my friends just leave for a different bar.I personally know some LC guys including those 2. Many KB local staff are friends with LC and HPD such as EG, Business and Splash. They get informed of raids etc. Do NOT trust anyone working bar to give you inside scoops. BS. They went over to THEIR side and not ours.
Secret Agent
04-24-13, 03:35
I personally know some LC guys including those 2. Many KB local staff are friends with LC and HPD such as EG, Business and Splash. They get informed of raids etc. Do NOT trust anyone working bar to give you inside scoops. BS. They went over to THEIR side and not ours.Here's an article from 2004.
Sunday, February 29, 2004.
Isle liquor inspectors.
Blatantly corrupt,
Informant says.
Bar employees provided easy.
Money and sex, say documents
Prepared for an upcoming trial.
By Rob Perez.
rperez@starbulletin.com
Corrupt investigators at the Honolulu Liquor Commission were so brazen about their bar shakedowns that they openly discussed which businesses to target on their shifts, divvied up payoffs at commission offices and even told bar owners about upcoming vacations so money would be paid to underwrite those off-island trips, according to a key figure in next month's federal trial of three former investigators.
In exchange for ignoring liquor law violations, some of the eight investigators originally indicted for allegedly taking bribes sometimes solicited sex from bar employees instead of cash, former investigator Charles Wiggins told the Star-Bulletin last week.
The rogue investigators were so focused on enriching themselves that they often started their night shift by discussing which bars to stay away from and which to visit, based on which owners were making payments, Wiggins said.
"The No. 1 objective each night was where we were going to get money from. Period," Wiggins said."That was the main objective."
Wiggins, who said he never accepted payments until he took part in an undercover FBI operation, wore a wire for 88 days while on the job in late 2000 and 2001. He said he collected $1, 000 to $1, 500 on some nights, money he turned over to authorities.
Five of the eight indicted workers, including two retired supervisors, pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors. The other three. Arthur Andres, Harvey Hiranaka and Eduardo Mina. Go to trial March 30 in USA District Court. Their attorneys declined comment.
Interviews and court documents depicted the night shift as a hotbed of corruption during the period covered by the FBI's initial probe. The eight indicted in 2002 represented nearly three-fourths of the night shift investigative staff.
The court documents also indicated that the illicit behavior was widespread enough to potentially influence new workers who wanted to be accepted by colleagues.
Mina told FBI agents that when he began working as an investigator in 1997 or 1998, he didn't accept bribes for about two years, according to an FBI report.
"He realized that many of his partners were accepting money from many bar owners and in return were overlooking liquor violations in the bars," the report said.
But because he issued citations, including to bars whose owners were "friends" of other investigators, the other investigators disliked him, Mina told the FBI. The understanding, he added, was that an investigator wasn't supposed to cite clubs whose owners paid the regulators, the report said.
Mina told the agents that he began accepting money from bar owners to help finance trips to the Philippines, according to the report.
At one point, he was getting $100 regularly from one bar owner, then began having an affair with her, the report said.
He told the agents that money-taking among the investigators was rampant, according to the report.
Wiggins agreed.
"The money was just so easy," he told the Star-Bulletin."These guys were put in an environment that made it so easy for corruption to thrive."
Since the corruption scandal erupted, the commission has replaced the night crew, added tougher screening procedures for new hires and increased direct supervision, according to Wallace Weatherwax, commission administrator. A task force also has been formed to look at other ways to prevent such problems from recurring.
Asked how the corruption could persist under his watch for an extended period, Weatherwax said he wasn't aware of a problem early on because reports of such behavior didn't initially come to his attention.
That probably was because the two shift supervisors were among the ones indicted and their immediate supervisor was a problem employee who didn't closely monitor the night shift, he said.
Once he became aware that there might be a corruption problem, Weatherwax said he began an internal investigation in the fall of 2001, but the FBI asked the agency to stop because of the federal probe.
Wiggins said he believes Weatherwax was aware of what was going on early on, but didn't do anything to stop it.
The agency is no stranger to scandal. It has been sued in recent years by several former employees for various charges, including retaliation and sexual harassment. The city has paid more than $400, 000 to settle two of those cases, including a whistle-blower lawsuit in which Wiggins said he was harassed and retaliated against for cooperating with the FBI.
Another lawsuit, a sexual harassment case, is close to settlement and will likely cost taxpayers more money.
Another whistle-blower lawsuit was filed earlier this month by Kerry Shannon, a liquor investigator who took medical retirement last February.
Shannon alleged that he was retaliated against once his colleagues learned that he had cooperated in early 2002 with the FBI and police and had testified before a grand jury.
Commission officials denied the accusations.
The corruption case, the lawsuits, poor morale and other problems reflect a workplace out of control and with no accountability, former commission workers say.
"There was no fear of consequences (if you did something wrong) because there were no consequences," Higgins said.
The underlying problem, according to City Councilman Charles Djou and state Sen. Les Ihara Jr, is that the commission is a body created by the state but administered by the city, with neither having clear oversight responsibility. That means the commission doesn't have to respond to outside calls for reforms, they said.
"If you're a corrupter or a corrupting agent, this is a great system to be under," Djou said.
A bill that would give counties oversight responsibility for their respective liquor commissions will be heard by the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.
Commission officials say the bill is not needed because the agency gets plenty of oversight from the city, courts and others.
City & County of Honolulu.
Here's one more recent, from 2011.
Ex-Liquor Commission employee pleads guilty to felony bribery.
Posted: Dec 29, 2011 4:59 PM HST.
Updated: Dec 29, 2011 5:21 PM HST.
Loreto Raquel, Jr.
By Minna Sugimoto. Bio | email.
HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow). A former Honolulu Liquor Commission employee accused of accepting bribes has given up his court fight. Loreto Raquel, Jr. Has pleaded guilty to two counts of felony bribery.
He admits he accepted cash in exchange for providing a card that allows an individual to work at a liquor-serving establishment. Usually, you would need to take a test in order to obtain such a card.
Raquel was in charge of training liquor commission investigators, but resigned following his arrest earlier this year.
"Aside from this case and these isolated incidents, Mr. Loreto has lived a law-abiding life for his entire life," Thomas Otake, defense attorney, said."He has done a lot for the community both here and on Maui. He's a family man and he looks forward to putting this behind him."
The defense says the total amount received was less than $300.
Sentencing is scheduled for March.
Copyright 2011 Hawaii News Now. All rights reserved.
There are many more in between that you guys can google on your own if you have time. Oldee, I didn't say they all accepted bribes/engages in misconduct. I said SOME. I said they were all buncha losers and I admit that was a bit much. But I'm sure your friends are cool if you say they are and I know you are a reliable source of info. But you got to admit they are not all cool. And I know better than to believe any "inside scoops" from a bar girl. I don't know why you thought I did that. I know from doing my own research and confirming info myself. The FBI wire taps from the first article and the conviction / admission in the second proves my point.
You misunderrtood because I didn't explain well. I know LC guys thru friends but none are MY friends. I hate them. My point was about bar staff. They not on our side so no kiss ass and buy them drinks to get scoops. Just because they local doesn't mean you can trust them. Oh, and the LC guys used to kiss ass with my high rolla friends to get drinks etc. The LC stuff been like that for decades. Knew about that kine stuff from horses mouts. No need read paper nor am I interested in that stuff or making trouble for bars. Must be you real young ah? lol. Thats why you no like come FM and drink wit ole futs ah? lol. Just kidding bro. I know plenty people but not all my friends. IE. KBGs lol.
Secret Agent
04-24-13, 15:38
You misunderrtood because I didn't explain well. I know LC guys thru friends but none are MY friends. I hate them. My point was about bar staff. They not on our side so no kiss ass and buy them drinks to get scoops. Just because they local doesn't mean you can trust them. Oh, and the LC guys used to kiss ass with my high rolla friends to get drinks etc. The LC stuff been like that for decades. Knew about that kine stuff from horses mouts. No need read paper nor am I interested in that stuff or making trouble for bars. Must be you real young ah? lol. Thats why you no like come FM and drink wit ole futs ah? lol. Just kidding bro. I know plenty people but not all my friends. IE. KBGs lol.Oh haha my bad Oldee I can't stand them either. And I wish I was young I still in my thirties still but still feel old when I go out.
Here's an article from 2004.
Sunday, February 29, 2004.
Isle liquor inspectors. Blatantly corrupt, Informant says. Bar employees provided easy. Money and sex, say documents
Prepared for an upcoming trial.So basically, these guys are a less-cool version of The Shield.
In all seriousness, all this stuff with the liquor inspectors seems to happen every few years, doesn't it?
Vernon Howell
04-24-13, 20:23
In order to be a LC you need law enforcement background. Most LC are ex cops and city prosecutors. It's a honey pot game.
Was reading the paper the other week. Did you know that Shawn Ching is married to Stephanie Lum? Ha ha, no not that Steph Lum (the newscaster) but the girl he married was named Steph Lum also. Small world.
Was reading the paper the other week. Did you know that Shawn Ching is married to Stephanie Lum? Ha ha, no not that Steph Lum (the newscaster) but the girl he married was named Steph Lum also. Small world.We'll see how long that lasts. Approximately 13 years ago, there was a report on the radio that he was arrested for "physical abuse of a family member". Another time, we passed each other at the mall; he was with his friend and on the warpath, planning to "kick his ass!" in reference to some guy.
He's quite the violent puppy.
Insatiable808
04-30-13, 04:48
The very sexy, sultry, busty Kanoe Gibson has been on the KHON morning show for the past week or so. WOW! Dark, long haired brunette with a curvaceous, medium thick body! Noticed the wedding ring on her finger, Lucky Bastard! I'm so in lust with her smoldering sexiness! Hope she's a long time fixture on the show. Sorry, Trini, but Kanoe is A-Game TV Eye Candy!
Enjoy,
I808
MillerTime808
05-01-13, 04:32
Just seen on KHON news tonight that there is a sex super bug of gonorrhea strain that could be worse than AIDS and has been found in Hawaii. Transmitted through unprotected sex. BE CAREFUL mongers on who you chose to have BB sex with. Google HO41 for info.
Just seen on KHON news tonight that there is a sex super bug of gonorrhea strain that could be worse than AIDS and has been found in Hawaii. Transmitted through unprotected sex. BE CAREFUL mongers on who you chose to have BB sex with. Google HO41 for info.That is some scary shit! It will only take one infected monger or BB provider.
That is some scary shit! It will only take one infected monger or BB provider.That's a mood killer.
Just seen on KHON news tonight that there is a sex super bug of gonorrhea strain that could be worse than AIDS and has been found in Hawaii. Transmitted through unprotected sex. BE CAREFUL mongers on who you chose to have BB sex with. Google HO41 for info.So everyone abstains for one week, aka just jerk off, while those who unknowingly have it are supposed to go into septic shock and die in that time period. This strain of gonorrhea can alos be another fear story that the USA is famous for blowing up way out of proportion. It had to come this way from Japan too right? The new Godzilla. Just in time for the new Godzilla movie too.
R. I. P.
Magic Johnson.
&
Nelson Vergel.
Oh wait, it's been over 25yrs and they're both alive and kicking.
We can just pray and curse our dicks for knowing good random poon, then live our lives in hypocrisy.
I'm not sure that's how it works.
"Gonorrhea can be hard to detect. It often shows no symptoms in about half of women"
"Either sex may also acquire gonorrhea of the throat from performing oral sex on an infected partner, usually a male partner. Such infection is asymptomatic in 90% of cases, and produces a sore throat in the remaining 10%"
Something to keep in mind for those that seek BBBJ or DATY, where such a bacteria can be spread in either direction.
If any infected provider are the type that do not show symptoms, it would spread to other clients and other providers over a long period of time, or indefinitely. It would not burn itself out in one week. There could be providers out there right now that are carriers.
"The first case in the nation was identified in a young woman in Hawaii in May 2011."
The point is that while diseases like this have always been out there, this particular strain may not just go away after a visit to the doctor, so it is more likely to spread or result in serious complications.
"The majority of gonorrhea infections are asymptomatic so someone may be spreading the infections to others without knowing it."
This strain has not been known to have been fatal yet, but the fact that it cannot be treated with existing antibiotics means that some people will be at risk for a variety of dangerous conditions.
"Left untreated, gonorrhea can lead to a host of complications including pelvic inflammatory disease, infertility, and blood stream infections."
"Rarely, gonorrhea may cause skin lesions and joint infection (pain and swelling in the joints) after traveling through the blood stream. Very rarely it may settle in the heart causing endocarditis or in the spinal column causing meningitis"
While these conditions are rare with conventional strains, a resistent strain may pose a greater risk since the infection remains essentially untreated.
Be safe.
Sources:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51733600/#.UYGLFVLRWbM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100685883
http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/90879.php
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/health/Gonorrhea-Hawaii-California-Sex-Super-Bug-Resistant-205612071.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317690/Doctors-warn-antibiotic-resistant-strain-gonorrhea-worse-AIDS.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonorrhea
Remember the first time Bird Flu was reported in China? People panicked and quit eating in Chinese restaurants. Mayor Mufi went to lunch in a Chinese restaurant and invited the media to watch. 'See, I'm not afraid to eat Chinese'.
. This strain of gonorrhea can alos be another fear story that the USA is famous for blowing up way out of proportion. It had to come this way from Japan too right? The new Godzilla. Just in time for the new Godzilla movie too.Hope you're right Chubs! Since is it was first discovered in a sex worker they named it "Ho". Seems appropriate.
Just seen on KHON news tonight that there is a sex super bug of gonorrhea strain that could be worse than AIDS and has been found in Hawaii. Transmitted through unprotected sex. BE CAREFUL mongers on who you chose to have BB sex with. Google HO41 for info.This ain't no joke. I was actually warned about this from my doctor (Young dude who is highly educated and down to earth) about a year ago? I went in to get my quarterly STD check from my regular doctor and I told him, I've been mongering in SE Asia for a bit. He told me to use protection because of a stronger strain of gonorrhea that was resistant to the drugs we have now to treat it.
I'm sure, some foo brought this shit back from SE Asia and passed it on to a local honey LOL. What an idiot. I recommend all of you out there to get tested every once in a while if you're having fun and doing it without protection.
YG
Member #6721
05-02-13, 05:20
This ain't no joke. I was actually warned about this from my doctor (Young dude who is highly educated and down to earth) about a year ago? I went in to get my quarterly STD check from my regular doctor and I told him, I've been mongering in SE Asia for a bit. He told me to use protection because of a stronger strain of gonorrhea that was resistant to the drugs we have now to treat it.
I'm sure, some foo brought this shit back from SE Asia and passed it on to a local honey LOL. What an idiot. I recommend all of you out there to get tested every once in a while if you're having fun and doing it without protection.
YGJust do it safe. But what's the treatment
ClintonPortis
05-02-13, 06:38
This ain't no joke. I was actually warned about this from my doctor (Young dude who is highly educated and down to earth) about a year ago? I went in to get my quarterly STD check from my regular doctor and I told him, I've been mongering in SE Asia for a bit. He told me to use protection because of a stronger strain of gonorrhea that was resistant to the drugs we have now to treat it.
I'm sure, some foo brought this shit back from SE Asia and passed it on to a local honey LOL. What an idiot. I recommend all of you out there to get tested every once in a while if you're having fun and doing it without protection.
YGYep. This is exactly why I even use protection with my current GF. Who knows where she has been? Or where her exboyfriends have been?
This is also why when I read about a provider offering BB services, she's automatically a zero when it comes to her rating for "service". This is supposed to be a hobby, not a game of Russian Roulette.
The basic point of the news articles (when you look past the alarmist quoting) is that there is no treatment so the researchers are asking for 50 million to try and develop one.
The basic point of the news articles (when you look past the alarmist quoting) is that there is no treatment so the researchers are asking for 50 million to try and develop one.That's exactly how "research" is funded, other than certain corporations funding college programs. Emotional emptying of the pockets is an old game going strong.
Although this HO41 matter is definitely a concern, the CNBC report linked in a previous post has now been revised to state:
Correction: The statement that H041 was found in places beyond Japan is incorrect, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Gonorrhea strains resistant to a certain antibiotic not routinely recommended by CDC as a first-line treatment regimen for gonorrhea were detected in Hawaii, but other treatments ultimately cured those infections in follow-up. To date, there have been no treatment failures reported in the US for gonorrhea treated with currently-recommended first-line regimens.Of course, people seeking millions of dollars in research money may have an incentive to dramatize a situation.
I'm not sure as to the meaning of putting research in quotations, but the entities like the CDC and NIH use their funds for critical, scientific, peer reviewed, research. The best scientists compete for those opportunities. If the CDC is asking for this kind of money, it is going to have to be well substantiated. The fact that they are asking for that much money indicates that this disease is thought to be of great concern.
MillerTime808
05-04-13, 16:45
Police investigating another stabbing in Keeaumoku area http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/206102301.html?id=206102301
Be careful bros. Just seen this on Star Advertiser Breaking News via mobile app. If you're out till closing of those 4am bars, be aware of your surroundings. This is the fourth stabbing in the area since March.
Although this HO41 matter is definitely a concern, the CNBC report linked in a previous post has now been revised to state:
Of course, people seeking millions of dollars in research money may have an incentive to dramatize a situation.H1N1 flu scare was also a scam to recover millions spent on research by the drug companies who got billions of profits in return. I'm not surprised if this is another attempt to do the same.
Member #6721
05-05-13, 04:56
H1N1 flu scare was also a scam to recover millions spent on research by the drug companies who got billions of profits in return. I'm not surprised if this is another attempt to do the same.don't take disease and virus too lightly. Eather see a cure than not. That's just how things are.
Police investigating another stabbing in Keeaumoku areaNews reports say that an increased police presence is being considered.
Here's an idea: reassign police officers who are wasting time investigating and arresting adults for seeking or providing consensual sexual services, and have those officers work on reducing violent crime.
Police investigating another stabbing in Keeaumoku area.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/206102301.html?id=206102301
Be careful bros. Just seen this on Star Advertiser Breaking News via mobile app. If you're out till closing of those 4am bars, be aware of your surroundings. This is the fourth stabbing in the area since March.I think the problem is that the kiddie clubs (like Micheles and LZ and the clubs between Kona St and Kapiolani) are attracting the younger crowd to the area. This crowd loiters in the area after hours. Because of the numbers, and the high testosterone level there is a lot of potential for fights. Most of us old guys are long in bed by that time but the young kids are out with nothing to do after the clubs and bars close.
The cops need to patrol the area more after 1pm and break up any loitering in the area. Make the kids go elsewhere to avoid any possible confrontation between groups.
I think the problem is that the kiddie clubs (like Micheles and LZ and the clubs between Kona St and Kapiolani) are attracting the younger crowd to the area. This crowd loiters in the area after hours. Because of the numbers, and the high testosterone level there is a lot of potential for fights. Most of us old guys are long in bed by that time but the young kids are out with nothing to do after the clubs and bars close.
The cops need to patrol the area more after 1pm and break up any loitering in the area. Make the kids go elsewhere to avoid any possible confrontation between groups.Damn, I remember the days of closing out the bars on weeknights and rolling into work the next morning drunk or hungover! Ahhh, with age come wisdom!
Lilly Gurl
05-06-13, 17:13
News reports say that an increased police presence is being considered.
Here's an idea: reassign police officers who are wasting time investigating and arresting adults for seeking or providing consensual sexual services, and have those officers work on reducing violent crime.Now thats an idea!
I think the problem is that the kiddie clubs (like Micheles and LZ and the clubs between Kona St and Kapiolani) are attracting the younger crowd to the area. This crowd loiters in the area after hours. Because of the numbers, and the high testosterone level there is a lot of potential for fights. Most of us old guys are long in bed by that time but the young kids are out with nothing to do after the clubs and bars close.
The cops need to patrol the area more after 1pm and break up any loitering in the area. Make the kids go elsewhere to avoid any possible confrontation between groups.That's how it is with the younger crowd though is that they like hanging out late at night talk story.
Driving on the freeway, I even see several cars parked alongside the freeway and they be cruising on the side talking. Of all the places, they do that.
My buddy Little Red cringed in terror at this news report:
"Woman guilty of throwing husband's penis in garbage disposal."
Santa Ana, Calif. (AP) — A Southern California jury has convicted a woman who was accused of drugging her estranged husband before severing his penis and tossing it in the garbage disposal.
Jurors found Catherine XXXX guilty Monday of charges of torture and aggravated mayhem for the July 11, 2011, attack.
Sentencing was scheduled for June 28.
During trial, the 60-year-old victim testified that his penis could not be reattached and that he felt as though he had been murdered.
Deputy District Attorney John Christl told jurors that the 50-year-old XXXX drugged the man's tofu with sleeping pills, and screamed "You deserve it!" before attacking him with a 10-inch kitchen knife.
XXXX was jealous and angry about her husband's plans to divorce her because he was seeing his ex-girlfriend, the prosecution said.
Audio of the incident was captured by a voice-activated recorder XXXX had hidden in the bedroom, Christl said.
The man, who is not being named by the AP because of the nature of the attack, married XXXX after they met at a gym, but soon subjected XXXX to verbal and sexual abuse, her public defender, Frank Bittar, said during trial.
XXXX had mental health problems caused by a childhood full of molestation and other trauma in war-torn Vietnam and her husband also constantly demanded sex in ways that caused her pain, Bittar said.
To update the super-buggery. 1st case with the Japan sex-worker was in 2009.
Found in Hawai'I. 2011.
Today is roughly May 2013. And money is being asked now.
In 2 more yrs. New sexy bug with old storyline?
Back in the day story:
This girl I dated back in college, mid90s, came down with gonorrhea after a gangbang with a handful of the university's "scholar-athletes". Til this very day I still call her "Gonorrhea Gurl", we live in the same neighborhood, which obviously pisses her off. I knew she was a freak while with her, but she freaked out big time after the break-up and oh well. She didn't need to be a sex-worker to get all goners! The best was when she approached her boyfriend after the GB and handed him some pills to take. He had no clue what for, but her roommate filled me in on the medical update as I was filling her in.
Noticed on the front page of the Star-Advertiser today (Friday) that "one of the most exciting of the human trafficking laws to pass" this year in Hawaii is a law that "prohibits defendants accused of solicitation of prostitution from entering deferred acceptance of guilty pleas. Such pleas allow a defendant to have a charge erased from their record if they behave well for a specified period."
So even a first-time offender with an otherwise clean record, who's only interested in paying a consenting adult for sexual services (not "human trafficking"), will have a criminal conviction on his record for the rest of his life if he's found guilty of soliciting prostitution from an adult.
What's especially ironic is that many non-prostitution felony crimes are still eligible for the deferral procedure. Yet solicitation of prostitution from an adult, which is usually a mere petty misdemeanor, now isn't eligible even when it doesn't involve any purported "human trafficking." It seems that the political hysteria over compensated sexual services is intensifying, even regarding situations involving only consenting adults.
Noticed on the front page of the Star-Advertiser today (Friday) that "one of the most exciting of the human trafficking laws to pass" this year in Hawaii is a law that "prohibits defendants accused of solicitation of prostitution from entering deferred acceptance of guilty pleas. Such pleas allow a defendant to have a charge erased from their record if they behave well for a specified period."
So even a first-time offender with an otherwise clean record, who's only interested in paying a consenting adult for sexual services (not "human trafficking") , will have a criminal conviction on his record for the rest of his life if he's found guilty of soliciting prostitution from an adult.
What's especially ironic is that many non-prostitution felony crimes are still eligible for the deferral procedure. Yet solicitation of prostitution from an adult, which is usually a mere petty misdemeanor, now isn't eligible even when it doesn't involve any purported "human trafficking." It seems that the political hysteria over compensated sexual services is intensifying, even regarding situations involving only consenting adults.This will mainly affect the small percentage of johns caught in uc stings from my perspective. No worry beef curry.
Noticed on the front page of the Star-Advertiser today (Friday) that "one of the most exciting of the human trafficking laws to pass" this year in Hawaii is a law that "prohibits defendants accused of solicitation of prostitution from entering deferred acceptance of guilty pleas. Such pleas allow a defendant to have a charge erased from their record if they behave well for a specified period."
So even a first-time offender with an otherwise clean record, who's only interested in paying a consenting adult for sexual services (not "human trafficking") , will have a criminal conviction on his record for the rest of his life if he's found guilty of soliciting prostitution from an adult.
What's especially ironic is that many non-prostitution felony crimes are still eligible for the deferral procedure. Yet solicitation of prostitution from an adult, which is usually a mere petty misdemeanor, now isn't eligible even when it doesn't involve any purported "human trafficking." It seems that the political hysteria over compensated sexual services is intensifying, even regarding situations involving only consenting adults.You miss the real point. It is not about human trafficking. Kidnapping laws cover that. It is about using the specter of human trafficking to further a radical feminist agenda that is uncompromising and cannot accept the notion of consent. Second, it is about filling the coffers of the business of rescue, to protect the fund raising model of donations from the church ladies. So, not only does consent not alleviate the charge of solicitation, but consenting providers threaten the whole fund raising model based on coercion.
This will mainly affect the small percentage of johns caught in uc stings from my perspective. No worry beef curry.Maybe I should have named my message "Bad News For Some Hobbyists," instead of "Bad News For Hobbyists." I agree that the percentage of hobbyists affected will be relatively small, but still it may affect about eighty or more brothers per year, depending upon the amount of sting operations each year. For the hobbyists who are affected, probably including some members of this forum, it will mean having a permanent criminal conviction on their records for a sexually-related crime that many people consider embarrassing, rather than having the charge dismissed with no finding of guilt and later being able to expunge the arrest record. That seems significant to me.
you miss the real point. it is not about human trafficking. kidnapping laws cover that. it is about using the specter of human trafficking to further a radical feminist agenda that is uncompromising and cannot accept the notion of consent. second, it is about filling the coffers of the business of rescue, to protect the fund raising model of donations from the church ladies. so, not only does consent not alleviate the charge of solicitation, but consenting providers threaten the whole fund raising model based on coercion.sorry that i managed to "miss the real point" again, but that's typical of a simpleminded redneck like me, lol.
anyway, i agree with your perspective. for example, in that recent star-advertiser article, anti-prostitution propagandist kathryn xian (who always seems to have a sour, constipated look on her face) claims that it's "a misconception" that "prostitution is a choice," and then alleges that the "average age of entry into prostitution or sex trafficking is 13." (she uses the terms "prostitution" and "sex trafficking" as if they're the same.) of course, there is some amount of coerced and / or **** prostitution in hawaii, but she continually tries to create the blatantly false impression that most prostitution in hawaii involves coerced and / or **** providers. the news media repeatedly and uncritically quote her as some sort of purported expert on the subject, knowing that sensationalism attracts readers and viewers. it would be amusing to see xian marching into a relaxation business and telling the consenting adult providers: "i'm saving you from your slavery, sisters, you can now apply for low-wage 'legitimate' jobs!" they might respond with something like: "get the hell out of here and leave us alone, you crazy witch!"
http://www.inquisitr.com/662004/honeymoon-ends-in-prostitution-arrest-in-orlando/
http://honolulu.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-mixed-indian-beauty-new-n-town-with-pleasure-on-my-mind-23/3203492
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130517_Police_look_for_missing_female_visitor_because_of_safety_concerns.html
http://honolulu.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-mixed-indian-beauty-new-n-town-with-pleasure-on-my-mind-23/3203492
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130517_Police_look_for_missing_female_visitor_because_of_safety_concerns.htmlI was thinking the same thing. Hope she is ok.
Chikan San
05-21-13, 23:56
I was thinking the same thing. Hope she is ok.Http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130521_Body_found_in_Waianae_identified_as_that_of_missing_woman.html
Bad news for her family and probably bad news for mongers as well.
I don't think it is the same person looking at the images. Plus the ad uses a number with a Nevada area code and the age differs by 6 years.
http://honolulu.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-mixed-indian-beauty-new-n-town-with-pleasure-on-my-mind-23/3203492
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130517_Police_look_for_missing_female_visitor_because_of_safety_concerns.htmlJust heard on the 10PM news that her body was found near Yokohama Bay. Shame. RIP.
AdventureKing
05-22-13, 06:06
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22308564/womans-body-found-in-brush-near-yokohama-bay
The victim of this murder worked as an escort. RIP to her, and prayers to family and friends.
I hope police catch the murderer and bring some justice. Which is hard to do with our circus / joke-like court system of Hawaii.
Just saw on HNN that the woman they were looking for (and found on the side of the road) worked as an escort. They interviewed her brother saying how she wanted out of the life as wanted to go back to college.
Was she the same woman in the BP ad? Don't know but it's much more likely now.
I don't think it is the same person looking at the images. Plus the ad uses a number with a Nevada area code and the age differs by 6 years.
From HNN, regarding new condos in Kakaako (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22380814/owner-of-ward-village-to-develop-9000-apartments) :
"The residential highrises will be build at three locations: the Pier 1 Imports site, the parking lot across from Ward Theatres *and the former Dixie Grill building on Ward Avenue*"
Getting a condo where Dixie Grill used to be could be a very expensive proposition for dedicated mongers. The Ward Triplex, at your doorstep.
Bench Warmer
05-22-13, 12:26
Just heard on the 10PM news that her body was found near Yokohama Bay. Shame. RIP.So if any of you called her and your number is in her cell history, be expecting a call from detectives. That had crossed my mind before. I always wondered if someone came up missing the police would call everyone in her call history.
I don't think it is the same person looking at the images. Plus the ad uses a number with a Nevada area code and the age differs by 6 years.She even had a joint ad with the Haole girl that went on LIVE NEWS to say stuff about her "friend" they both were on BP "vanilla chocolate swirl" ad. How can you say that's not her? LOL
Lowlys One
05-23-13, 20:15
She even had a joint ad with the Haole girl that went on LIVE NEWS to say stuff about her "friend" they both were on BP "vanilla chocolate swirl" ad. How can you say that's not her? LOLYup one look at her the first night and I knew it was her, $he been around for awhile now, really sad.
I don't think it is the same person looking at the images. Plus the ad uses a number with a Nevada area code and the age differs by 6 years.You do realize that the ages used for BP ads are usually fake right? When I first saw her picture on the news about a missing girl, I knew that I saw her face on a BP ad previously. Man, someone was just telling me that a lot of crazy stuff happens out in Yokohama. He said that because of the far distance, and that no one minds your business.
Candyman2002
05-24-13, 05:34
You do realize that the ages used for BP ads are usually fake right? When I first saw her picture on the news about a missing girl, I knew that I saw her face on a BP ad previously. Man, someone was just telling me that a lot of crazy stuff happens out in Yokohama. He said that because of the far distance, and that no one minds your business.Shows how gullible people are on here about their age. The girls take the risk and that is what may be in-store. Girls who are smart in the biz never do outcall or walk the streets. What do you think?
Member #4671
05-28-13, 12:57
Anyone subscribe? Are the reviews worth the price? Looking to expand my intel. Thanks
Member #5092
05-28-13, 17:43
Anyone subscribe? Are the reviews worth the price? Looking to expand my intel. ThanksI paid for a month this was more than a year ago. From what I remember lots of fake posts by provider or mama. Or few ligit posts but many months old. Not much usefull info.
I paid for a month this was more than a year ago. From what I remember lots of fake posts by provider or mama. Or few ligit posts but many months old. Not much usefull info.I too subscribed about a year ago. Before I found this forum. The pictures of the locations are helpful but the info always seemed to be behind this forum. I cancelled cause this forum is much better and a lot quicker in response time. Just my 2 cents. Save your money for the MPs dude.
Anyone subscribe? Are the reviews worth the price? Looking to expand my intel. ThanksThey use to be free a couple of years ago. Most of the info was very dated back then. I haven't see any improvement since they started charging. Also they've been known to pull info from other review sites. For Hawaii this is probably the most active review site. Save your money.
We won't have Jane Croson's salivatingly thick, athletic body to drool over anymore. She transferred! And Shoji was not a happy camper about it either. He didn't release a waiver to allow her to play for another school for a whole year!
Lowlys One
05-29-13, 18:41
We won't have Jane Croson's salivatingly thick, athletic body to drool over anymore. She transferred! And Shoji was not a happy camper about it either. He didn't release a waiver to allow her to play for another school for a whole year!Yeah I saw that interview with him on the Croson issue, for a guy like him to express his disappointment and surprise with the situation, I could sense his feeling of betrayal for lack of a better word with the direction Croson went, which goes to show how much effort he must've put into getting her on the straight and narrow, it showed he hadn't given up on her.
Hawaiian Nono
05-30-13, 00:42
Anyone subscribe? Are the reviews worth the price? Looking to expand my intel. ThanksIt is more useful in the mainland. Certain areas in the mainland have little or no usasexguide updates. Would recommend using usasexguide for Hawaii.
Member #4472
05-30-13, 04:56
We won't have Jane Croson's salivatingly thick, athletic body to drool over anymore. She transferred! And Shoji was not a happy camper about it either. He didn't release a waiver to allow her to play for another school for a whole year!Good friend of mine works security at a Waikiki hotel. Shared the story that UH officials show up at his hotel one morning looking for her. Seems she and some of her friends partied the night before. They went home, she didn't. Found her in a room still drunk / stoned / etc from the night before. Late for team meeting / practice. Official tells my friend not the first time they have to go find her. She known to officials and teammates as a party animal / drunk. Lucky she doesn't end up with the wrong guy (s). Shortly after, she suspended from team. Now gone for good. Best to her and hope she gets help. Though not first UH female athlete that doesn't know when to stop partying.
Good friend of mine works security at a Waikiki hotel. Shared the story that UH officials show up at his hotel one morning looking for her. Seems she and some of her friends partied the night before. They went home, she didn't. Found her in a room still drunk / stoned / etc from the night before. Late for team meeting / practice. Official tells my friend not the first time they have to go find her. She known to officials and teammates as a party animal / drunk. Lucky she doesn't end up with the wrong guy (s). Shortly after, she suspended from team. Now gone for good. Best to her and hope she gets help. Though not first UH female athlete that doesn't know when to stop partying.The horndog in me wants to know, in addition to drinking and recreational drugs, did she have a lot of casual sex with many people also?
The horndog in me wants to know, in addition to drinking and recreational drugs, did she have a lot of casual sex with many people also?Guarantee.
HaoleGirlLover
05-31-13, 04:33
I too subscribed about a year ago. Before I found this forum. The pictures of the locations are helpful but the info always seemed to be behind this forum. I cancelled cause this forum is much better and a lot quicker in response time. Just my 2 cents. Save your money for the MPs dude.This site is the best for any mongering activity. Suggestions, reviews, and pic! Save your money for mongering
We won't have Jane Croson's salivatingly thick, athletic body to drool over anymore. She transferred! And Shoji was not a happy camper about it either. He didn't release a waiver to allow her to play for another school for a whole year!She's lucky to have Soji as coach, if he was June Jones, she'll probably get his white trouser snake in her punani to "straighten" her out! Maybe she should go work part time at some AMP on university avenue and make some $$$ on the side? So long as she can make the games I see no harm in her partying, hell the football jocks do that all the time and bang the volley ball females which is no secret at all.
AdventureKing
05-31-13, 17:05
I never liked her attitude, esp. Not being a team-player. Like somebody here mentioned, she has a reputation of partying too much and not being serious about her academics, as well as putting in 110% of her effort into practicing volleyball. She's good alright. But just because you're good or great at volleyball doesn't mean you can slack off and screw the team over. I don't know why croson is transferring college to play else where. If she doesn't clean up her act, she's going to face the same problems, and possibly, more harsh discipline from the coach and the athletic department. She's also not that pretty. Some of her upper teeth looks crooked in her UH volleyball profile picture.
I too subscribed about a year ago. Before I found this forum. The pictures of the locations are helpful but the info always seemed to be behind this forum. I cancelled cause this forum is much better and a lot quicker in response time. Just my 2 cents. Save your money for the MPs dude.I was on rubmaps as well until they started charging. Not that I'm cheap or anything. I'm just cheap ha ha. Actually this site is way better. More availability means more input. Worthy or not, the positives outweigh the negatives. Unfortunately, this state is the only one that makes this site as good as it is. Look at the other locations and you will be hard pressed to find any good CURRENT information.
Lowlys One
05-31-13, 20:59
She's lucky to have Soji as coach, if he was June Jones, she'll probably get his white trouser snake in her punani to "straighten" her out! Maybe she should go work part time at some AMP on university avenue and make some $$$ on the side? So long as she can make the games I see no harm in her partying, hell the football jocks do that all the time and bang the volley ball females which is no secret at all.But that's prolly it, must've been getting to the point where she couldn't show for team functions, I trust the coach enough to let him run the show, without having to explain himself, in reality no one did anything really wrong. She just decided that she'd rather party and have fun then play volleyball on a D-1 level, now she free to party and do whatever, and the wahines have a spot open for anyone who really wants to play the game, I say its a win / win for all involved. BTW she must be a complete beast in the sack, imagine her all buss and horny, maybe the football team can put her on scholarship.
AdventureKing
06-05-13, 21:30
You guys recall the murder incident involving Ivanice Harris that occurred a couple weeks ago, where her body was found in the Yokohama Bay area.
Well, according to KHON local news, they have a suspect in custody at this time.
http://www.khon2.com/2013/06/05/man-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-oregon-tourist/
I hope the suspect gets fried. But with the liberal circus-like judicial system of Hawaii, he may only get a small time in prison, then eligible for parole. Plus his "perks" will be free cable TV, free hot meal 3x's a day, and a place to sleep. Hawaii should enact the death penalty. That saves us taxpayers' some money.
Spartacus77
06-05-13, 21:33
HPD arrested a suspect in the murder of the girl from Oregon whose body was found near Yokohama Bay.
http://www.khon2.com/2013/06/05/man-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-oregon-tourist/
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22515697/honolulu-police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-oregon-womans-death
Looks like they've arrested a suspect in the murder of Ivy Harris!
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22515697/honolulu-police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-oregon-womans-death
Looks like they've arrested a suspect in the murder of Ivy Harris!The suspect is a Marine Corps Master Sergeant. SMH.
So much news lately about sexual assault in the Military and this guy is supposed to be an example to the troops.
Duke Atreides
06-06-13, 14:58
Holy Crap! This guy slashed the tires on my moped like 4 years ago. He was driving erratically and screaming and stuff at traffic while we were driving along Ala Moana near Kakaako. So I told him "Calm down or you are going to kill someone dude!" He freaked the fuck out and started the usual "How dare you say something to me. My penis is HUGE. You can tell because I am responding by yelling and acting childish." He then tried running me over in his massive suv. I pulled into Ward shopping for a job interview I was scheduled for and he followed me. I whipped out my camera and video taped him getting out of the truck and threatening me and such. He was acting mentally insane. Like beyond the normal. I truly believe if I hadn't had my video camera going he would have assaulted me or possibly killed me. I had 2 minutes till my interview and had to leave him standing there just screaming (yes. Not yelling. Actual screaming.) at me.
While I was in the interview he slashed the tires on my moped.
The plate numbers I wrote down, HPD said did not exist and they never got the guy.
Wow. I still got the video of him yelling in my face quote "I'm going to fucking kill you! I'm going to rape your fucking ass and skull fuck you, you fucking faggot!" (he went on for like 5 minutes)
Is there someone I should contact with this video like HPD or something? Might show evidence of his evilness. Especially the parts about rape murder and necrophilia.
Anyone who mixes sex with violence in their rage is a sign of being super fucked up mentally.
Dude, sell it to the tv stations. A video of the military dude that was shot in Waikiki a couple of months was sold to the news for a couple of grand. Cash in.
Wow. I still got the video of him yelling in my face quote "I'm going to fucking kill you! I'm going to rape your fucking ass and skull fuck you, you fucking faggot!" (he went on for like 5 minutes)
Is there someone I should contact with this video like HPD or something? Might show evidence of his evilness. Especially the parts about rape murder and necrophilia.
Member #5092
06-06-13, 22:58
Holy Crap! This guy slashed the tires on my moped like 4 years ago. He was driving erratically and screaming and stuff at traffic while we were driving along Ala Moana near Kakaako. So I told him "Calm down or you are going to kill someone dude!" He freaked the fuck out and started the usual "How dare you say something to me. My penis is HUGE. You can tell because I am responding by yelling and acting childish." He then tried running me over in his massive suv. I pulled into Ward shopping for a job interview I was scheduled for and he followed me. I whipped out my camera and video taped him getting out of the truck and threatening me and such. He was acting mentally insane. Like beyond the normal. I truly believe if I hadn't had my video camera going he would have assaulted me or possibly killed me. I had 2 minutes till my interview and had to leave him standing there just screaming (yes. Not yelling. Actual screaming.) at me.
While I was in the interview he slashed the tires on my moped.
The plate numbers I wrote down, HPD said did not exist and they never got the guy.
Wow. I still got the video of him yelling in my face quote "I'm going to fucking kill you! I'm going to rape your fucking ass and skull fuck you, you fucking faggot!" (he went on for like 5 minutes)
Is there someone I should contact with this video like HPD or something? Might show evidence of his evilness. Especially the parts about rape murder and necrophilia.
Anyone who mixes sex with violence in their rage is a sign of being super fucked up mentally.Bro post the video on YOU TUBE. I wana see it.
Holy Crap! This guy slashed the tires on my moped like 4 years ago. He was driving erratically and screaming and stuff at traffic while we were driving along Ala Moana near Kakaako. So I told him "Calm down or you are going to kill someone dude!" He freaked the fuck out and started the usual "How dare you say something to me. My penis is HUGE. You can tell because I am responding by yelling and acting childish." He then tried running me over in his massive suv. I pulled into Ward shopping for a job interview I was scheduled for and he followed me. I whipped out my camera and video taped him getting out of the truck and threatening me and such. He was acting mentally insane. Like beyond the normal. I truly believe if I hadn't had my video camera going he would have assaulted me or possibly killed me. I had 2 minutes till my interview and had to leave him standing there just screaming (yes. Not yelling. Actual screaming.) at me.
While I was in the interview he slashed the tires on my moped.
The plate numbers I wrote down, HPD said did not exist and they never got the guy.
Wow. I still got the video of him yelling in my face quote "I'm going to fucking kill you! I'm going to rape your fucking ass and skull fuck you, you fucking faggot!" (he went on for like 5 minutes)
Is there someone I should contact with this video like HPD or something? Might show evidence of his evilness. Especially the parts about rape murder and necrophilia.
Anyone who mixes sex with violence in their rage is a sign of being super fucked up mentally.Post it to Youtube!
Duke.
Who's this guy that you're talking about?
Holy Crap! This guy slashed the tires on my moped like 4 years ago. He was driving erratically and screaming and stuff at traffic while we were driving along Ala Moana near Kakaako. So I told him "Calm down or you are going to kill someone dude!" He freaked the fuck out and started the usual "How dare you say something to me. My penis is HUGE. You can tell because I am responding by yelling and acting childish." He then tried running me over in his massive suv. I pulled into Ward shopping for a job interview I was scheduled for and he followed me. I whipped out my camera and video taped him getting out of the truck and threatening me and such. He was acting mentally insane. Like beyond the normal. I truly believe if I hadn't had my video camera going he would have assaulted me or possibly killed me. I had 2 minutes till my interview and had to leave him standing there just screaming (yes. Not yelling. Actual screaming.) at me.
While I was in the interview he slashed the tires on my moped.
The plate numbers I wrote down, HPD said did not exist and they never got the guy.
Wow. I still got the video of him yelling in my face quote "I'm going to fucking kill you! I'm going to rape your fucking ass and skull fuck you, you fucking faggot!" (he went on for like 5 minutes)
Is there someone I should contact with this video like HPD or something? Might show evidence of his evilness. Especially the parts about rape murder and necrophilia.
Anyone who mixes sex with violence in their rage is a sign of being super fucked up mentally.I wouldn't post it, you may compromise it as evidence. Give it to the Prosecuting Attorneys office. Don't trust the popo.
I wouldn't post it, you may compromise it as evidence. Give it to the Prosecuting Attorneys office. Don't trust the popo.How is it evidence in a murder trial? Post it on Youtube, hope it goes viral and cash in on it! Maybe Nancy Grace will pick it up and people you thousands of dollars for exclusive access!
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22515697/honolulu-police-arrest-man-in-connection-with-oregon-womans-death
Looks like they've arrested a suspect in the murder of Ivy Harris!He was released today, but I still think he is not yet completely out of the woods, judging by what was reported in the 10PM news. He admited to spending the night with her in his Waikiki hotel room. Hotel video the next morning showed him dragging a large, heavy suitcase from his room. DNA test results of the suitcase pending.
Here's an interesting case from San Antonio, Texas, that's recently been in the national news.
A male customer contacts a 23-year-old female "escort" who's advertising on Craigslist. When the escort comes to the customer's apartment at night, the customer pays the escort $150, which the customer believes is payment for sex. However, the escort refuses to have sex and refuses to return the customer's money. Instead, after about twenty minutes she leaves the customer's apartment to give the money to her "driver" and "manager," who's allegedly her pimp. So the customer gets his gun and shoots at the escort, which paralyzes her, and about seven months later she dies.
The customer is then charged with murder, punishable by up to life imprisonment. However, a Texas jury found the customer "not guilty."
Why? Because in Texas there's a law authorizing a person to use deadly force to recover property stolen during a nighttime theft. The customer's defense attorneys argued that the customer's "actions were justified because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid" to the escort. The defense attorneys said that "it became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back." The jury apparently agreed, acquitting the customer.
Was the "not guilty" verdict legally correct? Was it morally correct?
What's your opinion?
Crouchingtiger
06-14-13, 03:54
Holy Crap! This guy slashed the tires on my moped like 4 years ago. He was driving erratically and screaming and stuff at traffic while we were driving along Ala Moana near Kakaako. So I told him "Calm down or you are going to kill someone dude!" He freaked the fuck out and started the usual "How dare you say something to me. My penis is HUGE. You can tell because I am responding by yelling and acting childish." He then tried running me over in his massive suv. I pulled into Ward shopping for a job interview I was scheduled for and he followed me. I whipped out my camera and video taped him getting out of the truck and threatening me and such. He was acting mentally insane. Like beyond the normal. I truly believe if I hadn't had my video camera going he would have assaulted me or possibly killed me. I had 2 minutes till my interview and had to leave him standing there just screaming (yes. Not yelling. Actual screaming.) at me.
While I was in the interview he slashed the tires on my moped.
The plate numbers I wrote down, HPD said did not exist and they never got the guy.
Wow. I still got the video of him yelling in my face quote "I'm going to fucking kill you! I'm going to rape your fucking ass and skull fuck you, you fucking faggot!" (he went on for like 5 minutes)
Is there someone I should contact with this video like HPD or something? Might show evidence of his evilness. Especially the parts about rape murder and necrophilia.
Anyone who mixes sex with violence in their rage is a sign of being super fucked up mentally.As for the tire slashing of your moped unless you have a witness or witnessed it yourself, cops can't do nothing. However, you could've made a case for terroristic threatening among other things. Now though it is a moot point if you waited so long, but as one person suggested turn it into the the or sell it to one of the stations.
Crouchingtiger
06-14-13, 04:05
Here's an interesting case from San Antonio, Texas, that's recently been in the national news.
A male customer contacts a 23-year-old female "escort" who's advertising on Craigslist. When the escort comes to the customer's apartment at night, the customer pays the escort $150, which the customer believes is payment for sex. However, the escort refuses to have sex and refuses to return the customer's money. Instead, after about twenty minutes she leaves the customer's apartment to give the money to her "driver" and "manager," who's allegedly her pimp. So the customer gets his gun and shoots at the escort, which paralyzes her, and about seven months later she dies.
The customer is then charged with murder, punishable by up to life imprisonment. However, a Texas jury found the customer "not guilty."
Why? Because in Texas there's a law authorizing a person to use deadly force to recover property stolen during a nighttime theft. The customer's defense attorneys argued that the customer's "actions were justified because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid" to the escort. The defense attorneys said that "it became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back." The jury apparently agreed, acquitting the customer.
Was the "not guilty" verdict legally correct? Was it morally correct?
What's your opinion?According to Texas State Law it was the right verdict. Of couse someone could if they wanted to make a stink thru federal law that her civil rights or something was maybe violated, but with things like sequestration for federal workers and budget concerns, no one is going to give a rats a$$ about an escort. You think the pimp wants to be in the limelight-he don't care and she probably doesn't have anyone that does either. Not sure what the law is about hookers though, if they wanted to they could get him for the misdemenor (sp?)?
Doesn't bother me. She stole, although the penalty to get the money back was reallyharsh. It'll make escorts and hookers think twice. It may make some guys with anger issues try things and see if they can get away with it.
I can see anti gun activists having a cow about this.
Agree-ask my good bud OJ. Its the law. Stupid is as stupid does.
Now watch the Zimmerman walk free same law down there. Folks there tell me he will walk. The kid is was punk and had no business being where he was. Real victim is the Zimmer. It won't be pretty. The kid was bad news and it will all cum out in the trial.
Here's an interesting case from San Antonio, Texas, that's recently been in the national news.
A male customer contacts a 23-year-old female "escort" who's advertising on Craigslist. When the escort comes to the customer's apartment at night, the customer pays the escort $150, which the customer believes is payment for sex. However, the escort refuses to have sex and refuses to return the customer's money. Instead, after about twenty minutes she leaves the customer's apartment to give the money to her "driver" and "manager," who's allegedly her pimp. So the customer gets his gun and shoots at the escort, which paralyzes her, and about seven months later she dies.
The customer is then charged with murder, punishable by up to life imprisonment. However, a Texas jury found the customer "not guilty."
Why? Because in Texas there's a law authorizing a person to use deadly force to recover property stolen during a nighttime theft. The customer's defense attorneys argued that the customer's "actions were justified because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid" to the escort. The defense attorneys said that "it became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back." The jury apparently agreed, acquitting the customer.
Was the "not guilty" verdict legally correct? Was it morally correct?
What's your opinion?
Here's an interesting case from San Antonio, Texas, that's recently been in the national news.
A male customer contacts a 23-year-old female "escort" who's advertising on Craigslist. When the escort comes to the customer's apartment at night, the customer pays the escort $150, which the customer believes is payment for sex. However, the escort refuses to have sex and refuses to return the customer's money. Instead, after about twenty minutes she leaves the customer's apartment to give the money to her "driver" and "manager," who's allegedly her pimp. So the customer gets his gun and shoots at the escort, which paralyzes her, and about seven months later she dies.
The customer is then charged with murder, punishable by up to life imprisonment. However, a Texas jury found the customer "not guilty."
Why? Because in Texas there's a law authorizing a person to use deadly force to recover property stolen during a nighttime theft. The customer's defense attorneys argued that the customer's "actions were justified because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid" to the escort. The defense attorneys said that "it became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back." The jury apparently agreed, acquitting the customer.
Was the "not guilty" verdict legally correct? Was it morally correct?
What's your opinion?Murder over $150 is plain street thuggery, no matter what. A life is a life. You want your money, man up and go take it. Gawd I hate Texas. Just mho.
Murder over $150 is plain street thuggery, no matter what. A life is a life. You want your money, man up and go take it. Gawd I hate Texas. Just mho.I love Texas, I was raised there. Texas rocks, we don't take crap from anybody. Texas is a place where men are men and sheep are scared. Now, I would not have gone as far as shot at the the girl but I would have definitely pursued the girl and got the money back. Of course who knows, maybe the pimp might have had a gun and shot back. In the pressure of the situation who knows what might have happened.
This is one reason why I have never ever used an escort. I just don't pay upfront for a "service" regardless of what it is. This kind of stuff happens when "suckers" pay upfront. Lesson learned for the guy. I bet you he will never pay upfront ever again. And another thing I bet you a lot of providers will think twice about pulling this kind of shit on another guy in Texas.
I love Texas, I was raised there. Texas rocks, we don't take crap from anybody. Texas is a place where men are men and sheep are scared. Now, I would not have gone as far as shot at the the girl but I would have definitely pursued the girl and got the money back. Of course who knows, maybe the pimp might have had a gun and shot back. In the pressure of the situation who knows what might have happened.
This is one reason why I have never ever used an escort. I just don't pay upfront for a "service" regardless of what it is. This kind of stuff happens when "suckers" pay upfront. Lesson learned for the guy. I bet you he will never pay upfront ever again. And another thing I bet you a lot of providers will think twice about pulling this kind of shit on another guy in Texas.His life was not in danger. The right thing should be just call the cops and let them take care of it. Obvious he and the escort were in an act of crime, but for $150 taking a life and get away with it is ridiculous.
His life was not in danger. The right thing should be just call the cops and let them take care of it.You mean you would have complained to the cops that some escort and pimp stole your money???
AdventureKing
06-15-13, 04:55
I want to weigh in on the incident involving a mongering brother who shot at an escort who ran off with his kala.
It all depends on the politics and the atmosphere of where you live in this country. If this happened here in Hawaii Nei, I can bet my condo and property that this guy would have been arrested, charged with 2nd degree murder, and incarcerated for a period of time in OCCC or Halawa.
If you live in a democratic-dominated liberal state, such as here, or the left coast (I. E. California), anti-gun sentiment is very dominant. Hence shooting a fleeing person who stole cash from you will definitely get you jail time.
However, in Texas, southern states, and even in midwestern states, where it's more republican and pro-gun politics, shooting at an intruder is legal.
Lastly, I hate to play the race card, but the judicial system is racist.
If the suspect is a white male who shot at the escort who may have been a minority female, he will definitely get off scott free for the murder.
But look at the November 2006 incident in rural Wisconsin where Chai Soua Vang, Laotian male, was defending himself against the racist white people who shot at him first, and also called him racial slurs, . Got him life in prison. Had the bullet fired by the white guys killed Mr. Vang, the news media wouldn't have cared, and the white guys would have gotten off scott-free.
There was also an incident in Louisiana, in a town outside of New Orleans, where a suspect was breaking into a house owned by a Filipino family. The guy got out his pistol because he was trying to protect his family from this intruder, and shot the intruder / suspect dead. Police arrived on the scene, and had the Filipino guy arrested. He was later charged with 3rd degree murder.
I was born and raised here in the islands, but attended college and worked on the mainland, and I can sense this kind of discrimination by the legal system on the mainland.
Bobb Sledd
06-15-13, 12:39
Not quite porn, but interesting none the less.
http://mibrujula.com/depilacion-lase.inlandia-nsfw/
Lastly, I hate to play the race card, but the judicial system is racist.This is very true.
Growing up, (in mid-south America), one of my black classmates had two older brothers. Each of his brothers were shot and killed in front of witnesses, (at separate times), by white men because they were dating their daughters. Both killers were "investigated" by police, neither arrested. This was in the late-'70s / early-'80s.
You mean you would have complained to the cops that some escort and pimp stole your money???I WOULD NOT do that whether the escort fee was $150 or $1500. But many people probably are not as kind as me and will do something.
Now you were in the act of crime and you got the short end of the deal. I still can not believe the Texas jury would consider that a robbery. I guess now all drug dealers in Texas can start shooting people if they found they are on a short end of a drug transaction.
Reporting to LE that an escort ran away with your hard earned money definite WILL NOT get their attention but if there are multiple complains against the same organization, I believe the LE will act.
Article from today's Star Advertiser on the state's crackdown on prostitution.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/newspremium/20130616__Lawmakers_ramp_up_efforts__to_halt_isles_trafficking_trade.html?id=211722531
I WOULD NOT do that whether the escort fee was $150 or $1500. But many people probably are not as kind as me and will do something.
Now you were in the act of crime and you got the short end of the deal. I still can not believe the Texas jury would consider that a robbery. I guess now all drug dealers in Texas can start shooting people if they found they are on a short end of a drug transaction.
Reporting to LE that an escort ran away with your hard earned money definite WILL NOT get their attention but if there are multiple complains against the same organization, I believe the LE will act.You also need to be credible buddy. A jury won't side with you if you're some ghetto dude with a checkered history. He also didn't report to LE that an escort ran away with the money. He shot her first and when LE came, it was time to spill the beans.
YG
Stangman808
06-16-13, 15:00
Article from today's Star Advertiser on the state's crackdown on prostitution.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/newspremium/20130616__Lawmakers_ramp_up_efforts__to_halt_isles_trafficking_trade.html?id=211722531One of the new laws that really affects the customers is that you can no longer get a "Deferred Acceptance" plea for Prostitution.
Article from today's Star Advertiser on the state's crackdown on prostitution.Of course, both coerced prostitution and prostitution involving [blankety-blank] persons is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated.
However, as with most articles about prostitution in the mainstream media, this one was written from a biased anti-prostitution perspective and failed to recognize that much of the prostitution in Hawaii is between consenting adults.
As usual, the article features the dour (and probably lesbian) anti-prostitution propagandist, Kathryn Xian.
As usual, male customers are only depicted negatively. One customer is characterized as "leering," while he may just as easily have been described as smiling and cheerful. Another customer is irrelevantly accused of being "fat," "balding" and "middle-aged." Ironically, the woman who wrote this article is likewise overweight and middle-aged, LOL. Although fortunately she's not "balding," she does artificially dye her hair.
A provider is described as having "an angry pink burn visible above her elbow," with the implication (unsupported by any evidence) that it was caused by abuse. Yet, thousands of non-prostitutes have had accidental burns from a wide variety of sources.
A police major is quoted about the "problem" of prostitution. Hey, major, here's an idea. Investigate all the off-duty police officers who've received sexual services from downtown providers. Oops, sorry, that's covered by the "code of silence."
Predictably, the article points out that a provider died last month, presumably by homicide. Yet, only an extremely small proportion of the homicides in Hawaii result from prostitution.
Finally, a politician claims that prostitution "degrades women." However, many consenting adult women prefer being providers to the degradation of working long hours at some low-wage "legitimate" job. Hey, politician, walk into an AMP and tell the providers that you've obtained jobs for them in fast-food joints so that they can end their alleged "degradation," and see how many of them accept!
Of course, both coerced prostitution and prostitution involving [blankety-blank] persons is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated.
However, as with most articles about prostitution in the mainstream media, this one was written from a biased anti-prostitution perspective and failed to recognize that much of the prostitution in Hawaii is between consenting adults.
As usual, the article features the dour (and probably lesbian) anti-prostitution propagandist, Kathryn Xian.
As usual, male customers are only depicted negatively. One customer is characterized as "leering," while he may just as easily have been described as smiling and cheerful. Another customer is irrelevantly accused of being "fat," "balding" and "middle-aged." Ironically, the woman who wrote this article is likewise overweight and middle-aged, LOL. Although fortunately she's not "balding," she does artificially dye her hair.
A provider is described as having "an angry pink burn visible above her elbow," with the implication (unsupported by any evidence) that it was caused by abuse. Yet, thousands of non-prostitutes have had accidental burns from a wide variety of sources.
A police major is quoted about the "problem" of prostitution. Hey, major, here's an idea. Investigate all the off-duty police officers who've received sexual services from downtown providers. Oops, sorry, that's covered by the "code of silence."
Predictably, the article points out that a provider died last month, presumably by homicide. Yet, only an extremely small proportion of the homicides in Hawaii result from prostitution.
Finally, a politician claims that prostitution "degrades women." However, many consenting adult women prefer being providers to the degradation of working long hours at some low-wage "legitimate" job. Hey, politician, walk into an AMP and tell the providers that you've obtained jobs for them in fast-food joints so that they can end their alleged "degradation," and see how many of them accept!Very well said young man. I have to say your writings are probably some of the wisest on the forum. By the way with a handle like Redneck, are you really a redneck per se? I mean are you a beer drinking, fun loving guy from the south? When I lived in Texas, I had a lot of redneck friends that were cool. Beers on me dude.
Puinsai808
06-17-13, 03:40
One of the new laws that really affects the customers is that you can no longer get a "Deferred Acceptance" plea for Prostitution.Wow. What great lawmakers we have in this wonderful State. You can get a DAG on a felony but can't get a DAG on a petty misdemeanor? WTF?
Lowlys One
06-17-13, 04:18
Wow. What great lawmakers we have in this wonderful State. You can get a DAG on a felony but can't get a DAG on a petty misdemeanor? WTF?If the law hasnt changed in twenty some odd years then you can't you your once in a lifetime D. A. G. On any felony.
Puinsai808
06-17-13, 04:46
If the law hasnt changed in twenty some odd years then you can't you your once in a lifetime D. A. G. On any felony.I know of a person who has had 2 (once in a lifetime) DAGs on 2 felonies. I guess it's who you know. Pu
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Finally, a politician claims that prostitution "degrades women." However, many consenting adult women prefer being providers to the degradation of working long hours at some low-wage "legitimate" job. Hey, politician, walk into an AMP and tell the providers that you've obtained jobs for them in fast-food joints so that they can end their alleged "degradation," and see how many of them accept!One provider described her life in Korea where she worked 10 hours a day. 6 days a week and barely was able to make ends meet. She couldn't afford a care, lived with her parents and could never afford to go on trips to foreign countries. But by working in an AMP she could afford all those things, go on long vacations, help her parents and but money away for her future.
Finally, a politician claims that prostitution "degrades women." However, many consenting adult women prefer being providers to the degradation of working long hours at some low-wage "legitimate" job. Hey, politician, walk into an AMP and tell the providers that you've obtained jobs for them in fast-food joints so that they can end their alleged "degradation," and see how many of them accept!The great majority of massage parlor girls I've ever known seemed to be happy in their jobs. Others determined early-on that this line of work is not for them, or try another place if one place does not suit her.
One of the best things some girls have said they like about working here are the men, who typically treat them very well.
The only things they don't like are when guys are too rough, demanding, etc. But for the most part, many of them seem to enjoy meeting men, and from the warm greetings I overhear, they sound happy to see their customers again.
One provider described her life in Korea where she worked 10 hours a day. 6 days a week and barely was able to make ends meet. She couldn't afford a car, lived with her parents and could never afford to go on trips to foreign countries. But by working in an AMP she could afford all those things, go on long vacations, help her parents and put money away for her future.Exactly, and that type of economic advantage can likewise apply to American-born providers. Many women who don't qualify for high-paying, so-called "legitimate" occupations can still earn lots of money as consenting adult providers. Yet the government unfairly tells them, in effect: "Even though you can give it away for free, if you try to sell what you could give away for free, then you can get arrested and convicted of a crime." The services of consenting adult providers are a very valuable economic asset, and in my opinion politicians and others shouldn't be trying to prevent them from capitalizing on it.
The great majority of massage parlor girls I've ever known seemed to be happy in their jobs. Others determined early-on that this line of work is not for them, or try another place if one place does not suit her.
One of the best things some girls have said they like about working here are the men, who typically treat them very well.
The only things they don't like are when guys are too rough, demanding, etc. But for the most part, many of them seem to enjoy meeting men, and from the warm greetings I overhear, they sound happy to see their customers again.Yes, and the politicians should respect both the providers' freedom of choice and the free enterprise system. Let freedom ring.
Very well said young man. I have to say your writings are probably some of the wisest on the forum. By the way with a handle like Redneck, are you really a redneck per se? I mean are you a beer drinking, fun loving guy from the south? When I lived in Texas, I had a lot of redneck friends that were cool. Beers on me dude.Well, I don't fit the typical conception of rednecks (rowdy, loud, heavy drinking, etc.), but I came up with that forum name on the spur of the moment because I like country music, rural environments and redneck-type vehicles.
Of course, both coerced prostitution and prostitution involving [blankety-blank] persons is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated.
However, as with most articles about prostitution in the mainstream media, this one was written from a biased anti-prostitution perspective and failed to recognize that much of the prostitution in Hawaii is between consenting adults.
As usual, the article features the dour (and probably lesbian) anti-prostitution propagandist, Kathryn Xian.
As usual, male customers are only depicted negatively. One customer is characterized as "leering," while he may just as easily have been described as smiling and cheerful. Another customer is irrelevantly accused of being "fat," "balding" and "middle-aged." Ironically, the woman who wrote this article is likewise overweight and middle-aged, LOL. Although fortunately she's not "balding," she does artificially dye her hair.
A provider is described as having "an angry pink burn visible above her elbow," with the implication (unsupported by any evidence) that it was caused by abuse. Yet, thousands of non-prostitutes have had accidental burns from a wide variety of sources.
A police major is quoted about the "problem" of prostitution. Hey, major, here's an idea. Investigate all the off-duty police officers who've received sexual services from downtown providers. Oops, sorry, that's covered by the "code of silence."
Predictably, the article points out that a provider died last month, presumably by homicide. Yet, only an extremely small proportion of the homicides in Hawaii result from prostitution.
Finally, a politician claims that prostitution "degrades women." However, many consenting adult women prefer being providers to the degradation of working long hours at some low-wage "legitimate" job. Hey, politician, walk into an AMP and tell the providers that you've obtained jobs for them in fast-food joints so that they can end their alleged "degradation," and see how many of them accept!I lo ed how during the last eke took cycle, that politicians campaign headquarters was downstairs from one of our favorite AMPs. Where do you think his staff went during lunch breaks.
My buddy Little Red cringed in terror at this news report:
"Woman guilty of throwing husband's penis in garbage disposal."When I posted that news report two months ago, the penis-destroying wife had not yet been sentenced. A few days ago, she was sentenced to life imprisonment, with a minimum term of seven years before parole eligibility.
The victim said: "I'm hoping this will be the last time I ever have to see her."
The judge said: "In my 24 years on the bench, I've seen a number of murder cases. Her actions were as calculated, as cold, as callous as any murder in the first degree."
There is an interesting article on page F2 of the Sunday edition of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser, entitled "Many sex workers not victims, want rights." It emphasizes that actually "there are two sides" to the prostitution issue; that the so-called "facts" promoted by anti-prostitution propagandists are sometimes "junk science"; and that there's definitely a difference between "adult consensual prostitution" versus prostitution involving "violence, exploitation and abuse." Another valid point in the article is that politicians and the news media shouldn't "limit their knowledge" of prostitution "to that supplied by anti-trafficking advocacy groups." In sum, the article is refreshingly different from most of the biased reporting on prostitution that's commonly found in the mainstream media.
The great majority of massage parlor girls I've ever known seemed to be happy in their jobs. Others determined early-on that this line of work is not for them, or try another place if one place does not suit her.
One of the best things some girls have said they like about working here are the men, who typically treat them very well.
The only things they don't like are when guys are too rough, demanding, etc. But for the most part, many of them seem to enjoy meeting men, and from the warm greetings I overhear, they sound happy to see their customers again.I don't know about you guys, but every time I've seen a woman one of these human traffic groups have supposedly "saved," they're never attractive. I'm wondering how this person made any money to begin with. And that if her reasons for speaking negatively about working as a provider was because she didn't make that much money to begin with.
Yeah, I read that article and thought the author was spot on.
Niceguy808
07-14-13, 19:20
I hope they both die in prison.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130321_2_California_men_indicted_in_Oahu_sextrafficking_case.html?id=199476221They both took a plea deal. They'll likely get probation and "maybe" some jail time.
Jan Fortifore
08-04-13, 20:43
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130804_1_man_stabbed_1_arrested_in_Keeaumoku_bar_fight.html?id=218301191
I avoid those bars on Sheridan and upper Keeaumoku.
Jay Dubblefoh
Lowlys One
08-05-13, 00:18
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130804_1_man_stabbed_1_arrested_in_Keeaumoku_bar_fight.html?id=218301191
I avoid those bars on Sheridan and upper Keeaumoku.
Jay DubblefohYou know I'm all for the bars and AMPs or adult entertainment in the area but I got to say even I'm finding this trend for lack of a better word very disturbing, guys going out getting drunk having fun but at the same time arming themselves with knives, guns and lord knows what else. If I feel like I need to arm myself with weapons when going out at night, then shouldn't I reevaluate my enviroment, company and behavior before I arm myself and head out? I don't get it, I know what it is when you're young and having fun, but still wouldn't the thought cross your mind as you're headed out the door, grabbing your knife, pistol or whatever your deal was, that what the hell am I doing? It sounds so premeditated.
RadioHazard
08-05-13, 01:43
One thing I think could be contributing to this is these hybrid type bars. Most the the guys that go are very very young and may not know how to act in a place like a hottest type bar. Hence the issues. The trouble makers probably got there ass kick at some point so they end up with weapons.
I am not one for guns but to each his own though. For most mongers who monger alone. I doubt we are at much risk as long your sober or not too drunk and have common sense to avoid and get out a bad spot. For the most part we get in and out of AMP and don't hang out in the area. The KB guys could be a different story though.
I just hope this young crowd stays out of the AMPs. Be safe use your common sense and gut feeling.
You know I'm all for the bars and AMPs or adult entertainment in the area but I got to say even I'm finding this trend for lack of a better word very disturbing, guys going out getting drunk having fun but at the same time arming themselves with knives, guns and lord knows what else. If I feel like I need to arm myself with weapons when going out at night, then shouldn't I reevaluate my enviroment, company and behavior before I arm myself and head out? I don't get it, I know what it is when you're young and having fun, but still wouldn't the thought cross your mind as you're headed out the door, grabbing your knife, pistol or whatever your deal was, that what the hell am I doing? It sounds so premeditated.
(Here's a news item from the Honolulu Star-Advertiser. Seems that the police in Everett, Washington, are disturbed about sexy "bikini baristas" who allegedly provided men with more than just coffee, LOL.)
Washington "bikini barista" owner sues city.
A woman accused of using her espresso stands in Everett, Washington, as drive-thru brothels is suing the city to recover $250000 she says was wrongfully seized by police.
XXXXXXX XXXXXX owns the Java Juggs and Twin Peaks "bikini baristas." She was arrested in June and accused of promoting prostitution, but she has not been charged. The cash was seized in a search of her home in Snohomish.
The Daily Herald reports the lawsuit was filed after XXXXXX was notified that the city planned to keep the cash as proceeds from criminal activity.
Coffee shops in the Seattle area introduced bikini baristas several years ago, hiring attractive young women to serve up steamy espressos and lattes while wearing as little as a G-string and pasties.
Lowlys One
08-08-13, 14:29
(Here's a news item from the Honolulu Star-Advertiser. Seems that the police in Everett, Washington, are disturbed about sexy "bikini baristas" who allegedly provided men with more than just coffee, LOL.)
Washington "bikini barista" owner sues city.
A woman accused of using her espresso stands in Everett, Washington, as drive-thru brothels is suing the city to recover $250000 she says was wrongfully seized by police.
XXXXXXX XXXXXX owns the Java Juggs and Twin Peaks "bikini baristas." She was arrested in June and accused of promoting prostitution, but she has not been charged. The cash was seized in a search of her home in Snohomish.
The Daily Herald reports the lawsuit was filed after XXXXXX was notified that the city planned to keep the cash as proceeds from criminal activity.
Coffee shops in the Seattle area introduced bikini baristas several years ago, hiring attractive young women to serve up steamy espressos and lattes while wearing as little as a G-string and pasties.Just going by this report I'd have to agree with the cops on this one. 250, 000. 00 cash at home, I'd say she was selling a little more than coffee.
http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=8&from=en-us_msnhpvidmod#/video/2d528654-d28a-62ee-d9d4-59f933ebd17d
above link doesn't work.
http://www.newser.com/story/168482/20-of-south-korean-women-have-plastic-surgery.html
So, read this one instead.
Korean beauty might not be natural. It doesn't matter unless you have a baby with her.
Unfortunately, it seems that this mainland priest may have succumbed to the temptation of fleshly pleasures from women of questionable virtue.
Let us pray for redemption (wink).
Cops: Lowell priest was cruising hooker hotspots.
A high-ranking Catholic priest — once honored by the Pope and now accused of hiring a prostitute for sex in his car at a Lowell cemetery — has been spotted cruising a local hooker hot spot in the past, according to a police report.
The Rev. Monsignor [name deleted], who received the title of Prelate of Honor from Pope Benedict XVI last year, has been stopped for circling a part of the city frequented by drug dealers and streetwalkers, and his black Chevrolet Equinox is known to cops who work that area, Lowell police Detective Rafael Rivera wrote in his report.
"Detectives have observed [name deleted] in this same vehicle well over a dozen times," Rivera wrote."I have further observed him to stop and slow down every time he sees a single female or a prostitute in the area."
[Name deleted] was released on $500 bail after his arraignment yesterday in Lowell District Court, where he pleaded not guilty to a charge of sexual conduct for a fee.
Lowell police said [name deleted] told them he was seeking "sex" with a known prostitute when he was stopped outside the Polish Cemetery about 5:20 pm Sunday.
"I asked him why he picked her up," Rivera wrote."He said for 'sex' but they had not done anything. He went on to state that he had offered her $40 for oral sex."
Police identified the alleged prostitute as [Thai name deleted], of Lowell, and said she will be summonsed for a charge of sexual conduct for a fee. She told police that Sunday was the second time [name deleted] had picked her up and paid her for sex. She gave police the $40 he paid her this most recent time as evidence, the report stated.
[Name deleted] went on voluntary administrative leave yesterday, and "is prohibited from performing any public ministry" pending the outcome of the case, the Archdiocese of Boston said.
"The steps taken today do not represent a determination of Msgr. [name deleted]'s guilt or innocence as it pertains to these charges. The Archdiocese asks for prayers for all impacted by this matter."
By the way, the news report that was posted yesterday about the case of the mainland priest ("Did The Devil Make Him Do It?") illustrates a useful point. Unlike the type of case where a monger is dealing with an undercover police officer who's pretending to be a provider, in that guy's case the woman was a real provider. The problem was that after being confronted by the police, both the man and the woman apparently made incriminating statements. If they had just invoked their constitutional right to remain silent about the alleged crime, the government most likely wouldn't have sufficient evidence to prove that an offer of "sexual conduct for a fee" had occurred. So the lesson to be learned is to refrain from making any incriminating statements to the police. Despite whatever tactics the police may use to try to intimidate or mislead someone, a person always has a constitutional right to respectfully decline to discuss an alleged crime with the police.
playing checkers or chess, okay.
writing a letter to mom and dad, okay.
reading the bible, okay.
seeking sex, no way!
military personnel punished for posting ads seeking sex in afghanistan.
august 17, 2013.
eleven military personnel and six civilian employees of the department of defense were punished for placing ads on commercial websites seeking sex while they were deployed to afghanistan, the marine corps announced saturday.
the 11 included seven marines, two sailors, one soldier, and one air force individual, the marines said. most were enlisted but an unspecified number were officers.
along with the six civilian employees was a non-american working with the military in afghanistan. the non-american was ordered, in effect, to leave the country.
the criminal investigative division found the ads during investigations in 2012.
the investigations were done for cid by personnel from the marines' 1st law enforcement battalion while the group was deployed to camp leatherneck in helmand province, which was then under the command of the camp pendleton-based 1st marine expeditionary force.
some of the ads involved men seeking women, others involved men seeking other men. none of the ads involved attempts to have sex with anyone ****.
lt. col. stewart upton, spokesman for the 1st marine expeditionary force, said the investigations "did not target personnel based on rank, gender, marital status or sexual orientation, but rather were directed at conduct that is considered prejudicial to good order and discipline while conducting combat operations in a war zone."
the investigations were revealed earlier by the marine corps times.
the newspaper noted that military personnel are told not to place sex ads on the internet but "warnings from commanders, standard guidance for any unit headed to the war zone, appear to have fallen on deaf ears in many cases."
punishment for the military personnel was meted out by their unit commanders, with possible loss of rank, extra duty, fines and restriction of privileges.
Crouchingtiger
08-19-13, 03:44
Unfortunately, it seems that this mainland priest may have succumbed to the temptation of fleshly pleasures from women of questionable virtue.
Let us pray for redemption (wink).People of today's church and state see it as a sin. However, I remember hearing about bible figures seeing call girls of the time for sex and it was not a sin. It was more of a sin to waste your seed by wacking off. Which is in line with the catholic thinking of not wearing a condom, because you should be fruitful and multiplying.
Crouchingtiger
08-19-13, 03:57
Just going by this report I'd have to agree with the cops on this one. 250, 000. 00 cash at home, I'd say she was selling a little more than coffee.Maybe not, she is the owner, and it says she owns several of the businesses. Plus what they did was wrong, the police says they are keeping it because there was criminal activity, but in order for there to be criminal activity she has to be convicted of generating that money from criminal activity. She has not been charged. This is just the greedy gov't and crooked police trying to take a person's money. Lots of lonely guys willing to overpay for expensive coffee and probably snacks. Especially if the girl (s) know how to flirt and uses her looks to to make us men feel good about themselves. Especially with low overhead, can easily make that money. Plus maybe she no trusts banks. As long as she pays her taxes and can show the sales generated. If I would sue to and with interest if they besmirched her name. That is how gov't money gets wasted. Don't they have real criminals to arrest like crooked politicians and police?
Crouchingtiger
08-19-13, 04:14
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130804_1_man_stabbed_1_arrested_in_Keeaumoku_bar_fight.html?id=218301191
I avoid those bars on Sheridan and upper Keeaumoku.
Jay DubblefohKids nowadays so stupid, they don't stop to think about their future. If I was hiring, why would I hire a hot head that can hurt a good employee. No need another Xerox happening.
Lowlys One
08-19-13, 20:20
Maybe not, she is the owner, and it says she owns several of the businesses. Plus what they did was wrong, the police says they are keeping it because there was criminal activity, but in order for there to be criminal activity she has to be convicted of generating that money from criminal activity. She has not been charged. This is just the greedy gov't and crooked police trying to take a person's money. Lots of lonely guys willing to overpay for expensive coffee and probably snacks. Especially if the girl (s) know how to flirt and uses her looks to to make us men feel good about themselves. Especially with low overhead, can easily make that money. Plus maybe she no trusts banks. As long as she pays her taxes and can show the sales generated. If I would sue to and with interest if they besmirched her name. That is how gov't money gets wasted. Don't they have real criminals to arrest like crooked politicians and police?Idk but if I had 250k that was made legally via anything (you name it) , there is no way, no reason that I could imagine that would keep me from putting in a bank or any federally insured financial institution, none! Now could it be that she don't trust banks? As far as not trusting banks, have you heard of any of our reputable banks (federally insured) , ever just flat out ripping consumers off? That kind stuff don't happen, it just doesn't, now I'm sure in the whole history of banking there could have been cases where bank personel have gone off and embezzeled money or fixed records, that sort of stuff, which is extremely rare. I don't know of anyone who have just flat out been ripped by any banks, do you? Again that stuff just don't happen, especially with the dogma that is required when opening an account or any dealings with banks, you deposit, you don't leave until you have proof of deposit, elementary, with that she would have proof even if as you say she don't trust banks, she still would have proof despite her suspicions or other issues. Now if you look at why she may not trust banks, the only reason she would mistrust banks is because of her own doings, nothing to do with banks or banking, thats trust issue is with her about her and prolly no one else, cause if it was with someone other than her, she would be more likely to deposit the money into banks and not the opposite. Again this action speaks more than words can say, let me ask you a question, if you had 250, 000. 00 cash at home made legally, would you keep it there for anyone who looks could find? It's the same thing as being in posession of stolen or unmarked guns, then wondering why the cops see this as a huge red flag. Stolen or unmarked guns arent used to shoot targets at gun ranges, they are stolen or scratch out to use on people or in committing crimes, yet people will actually try justifiying being in posession of things like this, but the plain fact is if you were only going to shoot targets at a gun range, you'd want them registered and therefore covered under homeowners insurance, it's a cop out, flat out, people don't see the picture, theybwanna cry foul at the cops, yes having a chunk of change at home isn't a crime but look at the totality of evidence, you'd be more inclined on believing that the reason she had the money at home instead of a bank is because she didn't trust banks, seriously? Me I going with law enforcement, and let me tell you I got my share of issues with the cops, I know they dirty punks to (certain ones, they going get their day either here, now or at the pearly gates, not mines anyway) they do all kind stuff but even then, I still look at the picture it still doesn't make any sense why she would have the cash at home, except for one case and that is she made it illegally and or needs acess to it on a regular basis because of illegal doings, if she can prove otherwise let her prove it.
NightWing24
08-19-13, 21:51
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130804_1_man_stabbed_1_arrested_in_Keeaumoku_bar_fight.html?id=218301191
I avoid those bars on Sheridan and upper Keeaumoku.
Jay DubblefohThat area has recently become a pretty rough & tumble area tho.
I wouldn't say avoid altogether, because got some good nightlife when the nites are right, but definitely follow two tips: 1) go deep or go home. 2) solo mission or not, carry a knife or something on you. Tip 2 is personally from me, back in my high school days, I got confronted by a probably high & belligerent crackhead during the wee hours in the morning, I was on my way home from the 24's. Ha.
Maybe not, she is the owner, and it says she owns several of the businesses. Plus what they did was wrong, the police says they are keeping it because there was criminal activity, but in order for there to be criminal activity she has to be convicted of generating that money from criminal activity. She has not been charged. This is just the greedy gov't and crooked police trying to take a person's money. Lots of lonely guys willing to overpay for expensive coffee and probably snacks. Especially if the girl (s) know how to flirt and uses her looks to to make us men feel good about themselves. Especially with low overhead, can easily make that money. Plus maybe she no trusts banks. As long as she pays her taxes and can show the sales generated. If I would sue to and with interest if they besmirched her name. That is how gov't money gets wasted. Don't they have real criminals to arrest like crooked politicians and police?It just doesn't seem right or fair. She may have been arrested, but she was not charged. If there was enough evidence, she should / would have been charged with a crime. To confiscate the cash was not right. If they say it's evidence, evidence for what crime? She hasn't been charged. If they're afraid that she'll flee, that's their problem. They should have worked the case and produced enough evidence to not only arrest her, but to also charge her.
Lowlys One
08-20-13, 09:27
It just doesn't seem right or fair. She may have been arrested, but she was not charged. If there was enough evidence, she should / would have been charged with a crime. To confiscate the cash was not right. If they say it's evidence, evidence for what crime? She hasn't been charged. If they're afraid that she'll flee, that's their problem. They should have worked the case and produced enough evidence to not only arrest her, but to also charge her.If their system is like ours, she will then be notified upon release (which she was) about any court date and or proceeding she may contest including a date in forfiture court, she will have her day in court to get back what was taken (imo, legally the cops were wrong, but cognitively I think they right, in saying it was illegally obtained). What I don't know is, in light of what happened (she was not formally charged, yet) , does she automatically win the case in forfiture court? Also le, has done this many times, to me included, they come in (raid) , seemingly to have all the ducks lined up (search warrants, other branches of le, feds, atf, state dea, state prosecutors office ect.) , conduct the raid and search, confiscate everthing of value, make the arrest, booking, charge you (again they let you know what the charge is and when the court date is, in writing) upon release, only to show up in court and find out the whole dam raid was a sham, why. No dam search warrant! Seems a big waste of time and money with all the other participating offices involved (joint task force, is their name for it). But the bottom line is they not only got your property but also have more evidence about the nature of your involvement, and the scale you are involved in. For me I skipped the forfiture date and cut my losses, which may be what they were hoping for. So if she is in an uproar about being out 250, 00. 00, it must mean she did the same as I, which isn't an admission of guilt but its right next to it.
Lowlys One
08-20-13, 22:31
There was an excellent documentary film titled "Inside Job" that directly addresses the greed, corruption, et cetera of banks and other financial institutions. The documentary addresses the issues that led to our recent banking industry collapse and subsequent government bailout, which was a key factor in our current economic resession.
AlohaWas that the one on MSNBC channel 40 or something, I've seen american greed, thats pretty nuts to!
Any of you guys saw on the news about that Ewa beach Lady ripping all these peeps off for 800, 000. 00 plus? What I like know how can you give anybody that kind of money? The new said was a parent of the Ewa beach football team but once again how can you give a person that much money? Even my best friend at most I would let him barrow at most 1000 but these 15 peeps looks like gave this lady over 50, 000. 00 each some maybe more? Just don't see how they can do that
Any of you guys saw on the news about that Ewa beach Lady ripping all these peeps off for 800, 000. 00 plus? What I like know how can you give anybody that kind of money? The new said was a parent of the Ewa beach football team but once again how can you give a person that much money? Even my best friend at most I would let him barrow at most 1000 but these 15 peeps looks like gave this lady over 50, 000. 00 each some maybe more? Just don't see how they can do thatNever, never underestimate the power of greed. The tell them 50% return, but don't tell anyone, I am just taking you into my confidence. Hahaha so solly Challie money is gone. Happens all the time. Remember if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. Hahaha TRUST ME!
Never, never underestimate the power of greed. The tell them 50% return, but don't tell anyone, I am just taking you into my confidence. Hahaha so solly Challie money is gone. Happens all the time. Remember if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. Hahaha TRUST ME!Ok I understand the greed part but why not just give 1000 instead 10, 000 plus? Example I assume these peeps were friends but who knows if your good friend told you he could double your money by a certain time would you say ok and give him over 10, 000? I would probably laugh in my friends face.
Lowlys One
08-21-13, 08:36
That area has recently become a pretty rough & tumble area tho.I wouldn't say avoid altogether, because got some good nightlife when the nites are right, but definitely follow two tips: 1) go deep or go home. 2) solo mission or not, carry a knife or something on you. Tip 2 is personally from me, back in my high school days, I got confronted by a probably high & belligerent crackhead during the wee hours in the morning, I was on my way home from the 24's. Ha.Yeah I agree sometimes I go shopping at Walmart after midnight, best time to shop its cool and no lines and traffic, but on the way home I exit walmart on keeaumoku then left turn on makaloa, sometimes to hit Don Quixote, but I've noticed as I left off keeaumoku onto makaloa, there is a karaoke room for rent with doorman posted outside the doors but that whole area (walgreens) , I've noticed groups of people (younger guys) , just hanging there by their cars which are parked right in front the buisnesses there, just eyeing up everybody who walks that area and you be surprised how much foot traffic that street has late night, early morning, I'm just driving by in my car and you can feel the vibes, I'd avoid that area all together, instead of packing when going into that area, I mean isn't that the mentality that leads to people being shot and stabbed in the first place?
Any of you guys saw on the news about that Ewa beach Lady ripping all these peeps off for 800, 000. 00 plus? What I like know how can you give anybody that kind of money? The new said was a parent of the Ewa beach football team but once again how can you give a person that much money? Even my best friend at most I would let him barrow at most 1000 but these 15 peeps looks like gave this lady over 50, 000. 00 each some maybe more? Just don't see how they can do thatAlthough I don't know the specific details of that particular situation, in a typical Ponzi scheme the scammer can gradually lure victims into providing larger sums of money by paying what seems to be an impressive rate of return on the initially smaller sums of money that victims "invest." So after a victim sees a relatively high rate of return for some period of time, the "investment" program appears more credible and it's easier to persuade the victim to then provide larger sums of money. Even though you and I wouldn't be fooled, unfortunately some people are financially gullible.
Vernon Howell
08-21-13, 16:21
Maybe not, she is the owner, and it says she owns several of the businesses. Plus what they did was wrong, the police says they are keeping it because there was criminal activity, but in order for there to be criminal activity she has to be convicted of generating that money from criminal activity. She has not been charged. This is just the greedy gov't and crooked police trying to take a person's money. Lots of lonely guys willing to overpay for expensive coffee and probably snacks. Especially if the girl (s) know how to flirt and uses her looks to to make us men feel good about themselves. Especially with low overhead, can easily make that money. Plus maybe she no trusts banks. As long as she pays her taxes and can show the sales generated. If I would sue to and with interest if they besmirched her name. That is how gov't money gets wasted. Don't they have real criminals to arrest like crooked politicians and police?For the behind the scenes story search "Sergeant Arrested In Bikini Barista Sex Sting"
A Snohomish County (Wash.) Sheriff's sergeant was arrested Tuesday for allegedly having sex with a bikini barista coffee shop owner and manager in exchange for tipping them off to police investigations.
, a 30-year veteran, has been charged with conspiracy to promote prostitution and official misconduct. He has been placed on administrative leave,
Thanks David for the rest of the story from the other side, LOL. Do you have a cult following where you are at?
Lowlys One
08-21-13, 20:46
For the behind the scenes story search "Sergeant Arrested In Bikini Barista Sex Sting"
A Snohomish County (Wash.) Sheriff's sergeant was arrested Tuesday for allegedly having sex with a bikini barista coffee shop owner and manager in exchange for tipping them off to police investigations.
, a 30-year veteran, has been charged with conspiracy to promote prostitution and official misconduct. He has been placed on administrative leave, Haha, what would be the funniest is if it turned out that the coffe shop owner was the one who spilt the beans on the sarge, because she felt he hadn't lived up to his side of the arrangement by not informing her of the impending raid! And i wouldnt be surprised if upon more investigating, the dam sarge was in on the raid of her house in some way shape or form, like a total shake down of the owner.
Lowlys One
08-21-13, 22:52
http://www.policemag.com/videos/channel/patrol/2013/06/wash-sergeant-arrested-for-sex-with-bikini-barista.aspx, Here's a news video of the investigation.
http://www.policemag.com/videos/channel/patrol/2013/06/wash-sergeant-arrested-for-sex-with-bikini-barista.aspx
, Here's a news video of the investigation.As Mel Gibson once said in the movie Payback, quote: "Crooked cops do they come any other way?" Stupid ass cops, you think they would know better. But guess what? He is still getting paid on administrative leave! WTF? When are people ever going to figure out you can't stop prostitution ever! It is just a matter of time before this new Viet coffee shop downtown does the same thing. You think these chicks want to work for minimum wage flashing their bodies and serving coffee? That is why they sell their bodies. Money talks, bullshit walks.
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When I mortgaged my home I used to carry 10, 000 in my wallet everywhere I went out so I would not judge people who have 250, 000 in their homes cash money. I cashed out 10, 000 until I had 70, 000 and just left it sitting in my room. People on the board ask how I had that kind money and there is your answer. I was an idiot but I did it to get back at my family who did me wrong and now I am paying the price for it. I would be mortgage free divorced living the single life no debts. We all have different reasons for what we do. I do not trusts banks either so I still keep like 50, 000 cash in the house. I wish I could trust someone to invest it for me so I could double or triple or turn it into 250, 000. My lady that does my life insurance is losing money and she never calls me. My money is all legit, I pay all my taxes, I have all documents, receipts, to back up my funds. I am still poor I just do not trust anyone and do not know how to handle my funds. I have seen my brother lose his ass well brothers and sisters lose their asses and also friends lose their asses in stocks and investments and the only ones I see making money are these thieves.
As for the bars around Keeamoku Sheridan etc its not like in the 80's. That is why I rarely monger at night or early morning. Too many young punks or hot headed drunk guys who cannot handle their liquor and too many guys carrying guns and willing to use it.
8pm the girls come out and weekends I just stay away. Kison and the Chinese places they get nice kind in the morning so safer. I use to be one young punk carry gun knife but never fight just thought I was tough but realized better to be humble and do your sex business go home and sleep and be safe.
CK.
Maybe not, she is the owner, and it says she owns several of the businesses. Plus what they did was wrong, the police says they are keeping it because there was criminal activity, but in order for there to be criminal activity she has to be convicted of generating that money from criminal activity. She has not been charged. This is just the greedy gov't and crooked police trying to take a person's money. Lots of lonely guys willing to overpay for expensive coffee and probably snacks. Especially if the girl (s) know how to flirt and uses her looks to to make us men feel good about themselves. Especially with low overhead, can easily make that money. Plus maybe she no trusts banks. As long as she pays her taxes and can show the sales generated. If I would sue to and with interest if they besmirched her name. That is how gov't money gets wasted. Don't they have real criminals to arrest like crooked politicians and police?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/26/switzerland-prostitution-sex-boxes/2700877/
Man. A drive-in sex box! LOL.
Get to the bottom of the article. "In Switzerland, anyone who works in the sex trade must be at least 16, the legal age of sexual maturity"
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/26/switzerland-prostitution-sex-boxes/2700877/
Man. A drive-in sex box! LOL.
Get to the bottom of the article."In Switzerland, anyone who works in the sex trade must be at least 16, the legal age of sexual maturity"Wow, Switzerland is really progressive! Maybe I'll move there.
Lowlys One
08-26-13, 21:31
When I mortgaged my home I used to carry 10, 000 in my wallet everywhere I went out so I would not judge people who have 250, 000 in their homes cash money. I cashed out 10, 000 until I had 70, 000 and just left it sitting in my room. People on the board ask how I had that kind money and there is your answer. I was an idiot but I did it to get back at my family who did me wrong and now I am paying the price for it. I would be mortgage free divorced living the single life no debts. We all have different reasons for what we do. I do not trusts banks either so I still keep like 50, 000 cash in the house. I wish I could trust someone to invest it for me so I could double or triple or turn it into 250, 000. My lady that does my life insurance is losing money and she never calls me. My money is all legit, I pay all my taxes, I have all documents, receipts, to back up my funds. I am still poor I just do not trust anyone and do not know how to handle my funds. I have seen my brother lose his ass well brothers and sisters lose their asses and also friends lose their asses in stocks and investments and the only ones I see making money are these thieves.
As for the bars around Keeamoku Sheridan etc its not like in the 80's. That is why I rarely monger at night or early morning. Too many young punks or hot headed drunk guys who cannot handle their liquor and too many guys carrying guns and willing to use it.
8pm the girls come out and weekends I just stay away. Kison and the Chinese places they get nice kind in the morning so safer. I use to be one young punk carry gun knife but never fight just thought I was tough but realized better to be humble and do your sex business go home and sleep and be safe.
CK.I'm hearing gold and silver is solid!
I'm hearing gold and silver is solid!If you heard about it (rumor etc), you are already too late.
I thought about getting my license and buying gold then melting it and then selling it. I do not know how to go about it. I hear you have yo wait 30 days take pictures etc. Then there is the safety factor.
Anybody want to help me?
I'm hearing gold and silver is solid!
Warburton 0263
08-28-13, 02:01
Get some real estate in Honolulu and rent it out.
When I mortgaged my home I used to carry 10, 000 in my wallet everywhere I went out so I would not judge people who have 250, 000 in their homes cash money. I cashed out 10, 000 until I had 70, 000 and just left it sitting in my room. People on the board ask how I had that kind money and there is your answer. I was an idiot but I did it to get back at my family who did me wrong and now I am paying the price for it. I would be mortgage free divorced living the single life no debts. We all have different reasons for what we do. I do not trusts banks either so I still keep like 50, 000 cash in the house. I wish I could trust someone to invest it for me so I could double or triple or turn it into 250, 000. My lady that does my life insurance is losing money and she never calls me. My money is all legit, I pay all my taxes, I have all documents, receipts, to back up my funds. I am still poor I just do not trust anyone and do not know how to handle my funds. I have seen my brother lose his ass well brothers and sisters lose their asses and also friends lose their asses in stocks and investments and the only ones I see making money are these thieves.
As for the bars around Keeamoku Sheridan etc its not like in the 80's. That is why I rarely monger at night or early morning. Too many young punks or hot headed drunk guys who cannot handle their liquor and too many guys carrying guns and willing to use it.
8pm the girls come out and weekends I just stay away. Kison and the Chinese places they get nice kind in the morning so safer. I use to be one young punk carry gun knife but never fight just thought I was tough but realized better to be humble and do your sex business go home and sleep and be safe.
CK.
Get some real estate in Honolulu and rent it out.I was a landlord once between the years of 1991-1995. I owned a townhouse out in the brand new Ewa Beach development at that time. I rented it out to military families for four years. It was a losing proposition. The rents due nowhere near covered my expenses and mortgage on the property. I ran the numbers on a spreadsheet that a real estate agent gave me and it would have taken me a long long time just to break even. The problem is that the amount that you try to get for rent is never near enough to cover the mortgage and other expenses. And you can't ask the renters for too much because you have to price your rent due at market prices or they will lease from somebody else cheaper. Plus real estate will only (maybe) appreciate at the inflation rate or lower (if there is any demand). And there is always the liquidity problem with real estate. It will take you forever to sell a property. And if there is a recession in the local economy there could be years where the property doesn't appreciate at all like it did in Hawaii after the Japanese investment bubble burst in in the early 1990's. In 1995 I sold that property for a slight $235, 000 profit and took the money and started trading it. Thank God I did that. Best thing I ever did was sell that property. I started my hedge fund with that money in 1998 and set myself up for life. Now I don't have to deal with tenants or maintenance problems etc etc etc.
Personally I hated being a landlord. I once had a tenant that did not pay me for seven months! And there was nothing I could do because under Hawaii law you cannot just easily kick a tenant out even when they can't pay the rent. The law heavily favors tenants in Hawaii and not the landlords. We are always seen as the evil rich guys! As far as I am concerned and just in my humble experience, being a landlord is a losing proposition if you carry a mortgage on the property. If you are free and clear on the mortgage then sure it is a good deal. The problem is who in the hell in Hawaii is free and clear on their mortgage? NO ONE! With the median price over $500, 000/$600, 000 and at almost $350 per sq ft, no one is mortgage free in Hawaii unless they bought their property a long long time ago or they are uber-rich.
All I can say is good luck.
Lowlys One
08-28-13, 17:23
I thought about getting my license and buying gold then melting it and then selling it. I do not know how to go about it. I hear you have yo wait 30 days take pictures etc. Then there is the safety factor.
Anybody want to help me?I know for sure that it is illegal to buy gold that has been melted down, if you own a pawn shop, you cannot buy gold without the markings, or basically melted gold, prolly because the only reason you'd melt the gold down is because it was stolen. Idk if it would be different if you are licensed.
Ditto Mipene77. I was a landlord for 20 years and the rent never covered the expenses. I sold everything and put it in the stock market and that's what pays my mongering expenses today.
http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/michael-douglas-catherine-zeta-jones-separated-142353368.html
Who's going to be the uki eater of Catherine Zeta Jones now?
Sure hope that I'm still actively mongering when I'm 82 years old, LOL.
Saw on the news that a few days ago an 82-year-old man and a 29-year-old woman were arrested in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, for violating the law on prostitution.
Hey, what does a 53-year age difference really matter, as long as a monger feels young at heart?
The escapade first came to the attention of the police when a witness reported that a Cadillac had been swerving because the woman was "performing sexual acts" on the elderly guy while he was driving. The police approached the Cadillac after it was parked behind a building, and caught the guy and the woman "in the middle of a sexual act." The blondie had her pants down and her shirt up, and admitted that she was involved in prostitution. The senior citizen admitted that he had just picked up the younger woman and didn't even know her name. (Three cheers for anonymous promiscuity, LOL.) The woman was also charged with two drug offenses because of stuff found in her purse. Whoops, naughty, naughty!
Now of course I don't endorse "mongering while driving" if it results in a swerving car. However, from personal experience, getting a good BJ while driving at night is lots of fun as long as you keep your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel.
I do admire feisty old grandpa for still "partying" at 82 years of age. Next time, though, he might want to get a room, ha, ha, ha.
Sure hope that I'm still actively mongering when I'm 82 years old, LOL.
Saw on the news that a few days ago an 82-year-old man and a 29-year-old woman were arrested in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, for violating the law on prostitution.
Hey, what does a 53-year age difference really matter, as long as a monger feels young at heart?
The escapade first came to the attention of the police when a witness reported that a Cadillac had been swerving because the woman was "performing sexual acts" on the elderly guy while he was driving. The police approached the Cadillac after it was parked behind a building, and caught the guy and the woman "in the middle of a sexual act." The blondie had her pants down and her shirt up, and admitted that she was involved in prostitution. The senior citizen admitted that he had just picked up the younger woman and didn't even know her name. (Three cheers for anonymous promiscuity, LOL.) The woman was also charged with two drug offenses because of stuff found in her purse. Whoops, naughty, naughty!
Now of course I don't endorse "mongering while driving" if it results in a swerving car. However, from personal experience, getting a good BJ while driving at night is lots of fun as long as you keep your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel.
I do admire feisty old grandpa for still "partying" at 82 years of age. Next time, though, he might want to get a room, ha, ha, ha.Or he could just do the deed in the back of his caddy LOL.
82? Hell. If you still had excess funds at 92 you'll still be doing it. I took a college buddy of mine and 2 of his clients golfing last year. The 3 of them brought girls with them to Hawaii. I know he plays so it didn't surprise me. But the other 2 guys, man I'm surprised they didn't need those walking chairs+tennis balls to get through 18 holes. All I remember was thinking how these Russian girls were going to suck on some old wrinkly guy when we were done. Hard not to picture it, with all the dirty talk between them.
You guys recall the murder incident involving Ivanice Harris that occurred a couple weeks ago, where her body was found in the Yokohama Bay area.
Well, according to KHON local news, they have a suspect in custody at this time.
http://www.khon2.com/2013/06/05/man-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-oregon-tourist/According to the news media, that Marine Corps master sergeant has now been charged in military court with "unpremeditated murder," "murder while engaging in an inherently dangerous act," "voluntary manslaughter," "obstructing justice," and "patronizing a prostitute." He has an Article 32 hearing scheduled for September 25 at the Marine Corps base.
Niceguy808
10-06-13, 00:36
I just found-out that Ms Xian has decided to run for Congress and announced her candidacy a few days ago. She's got her website up and even has her campaign platform all spelled-out.
I find this rather amusing for several reasons:
1) though she's openly gay, her announcement reminds me of Mike Gabbard, who started out as a community organizer against gay marriage and who used his fame to get into public office. In fairness, Gabbard is still an active opponent of gays having marriage rights, though he's less vocal about it;
2) the simple fact that she's running for the much-coveted 1st District seat, while lacking any government experience in holding public office. Needless to say, there's a lot of politicians with years of experience going for that same job. She's dreaming or smoking some serious s* if she thinks that she can take on veteran politicians for such a valuable post and have any chance of winning;
3) I remember other politicians who used the sex industry as a whipping boy to gather support for themselves during elections, such as Duke Bainum, Jon Yoshimura and the Andy Mirikatani. While Duke was a nice guy who I voted for, the same cannot be said for Jon and especially not for Andy;
4) Kathryn has no educational background to prepare her for Congress, such as law or economics. Her education is in the arts and she worked as a filmmaker before doing some work for Legal Aid in Hawaii.
5) Xian's Twitter feed has included tweets about LGBT issues, in addition to sex industry stuff. Assuming her Twitter behavior matches her FB behavior, I'm assuming the same may be true of PASS' Facebook page. So, people who joined the FB page to support PASS are now receiving messages supporting gay rights. There's nothing wrong with that, but I doubt they thought they'd be getting messages like that when they first joined.
This got me wondering:
1) did Xian start PASS so she could make a name for herself and run for office? Or.
2) Is Xian running for office knowing she will lose, but wanting some extra attention for herself and PASS?
Just wanted to get this off my chest.
5) Xian's Twitter feed has included tweets about LGBT issues, in addition to sex industry stuff. Assuming her Twitter behavior matches her FB behavior, I'm assuming the same may be true of PASS' Facebook page. So, people who joined the FB page to support PASS are now receiving messages supporting gay rights. There's nothing wrong with that, but I doubt they thought they'd be getting messages like that when they first joined.
This got me wondering:
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Maybe you should try to dip your king kong ding dong in her pussy to give her that necessary "experience" to take her over the top? And maybe do a sandwich with her other partner as well. ha ha
I just found-out that Ms Xian has decided to run for Congress and announced her candidacy a few days ago. She's got her website up and even has her campaign platform all spelled-out.
I find this rather amusing for several reasons:
1) though she's openly gay, her announcement reminds me of Mike Gabbard, who started out as a community organizer against gay marriage and who used his fame to get into public office. In fairness, Gabbard is still an active opponent of gays having marriage rights, though he's less vocal about it;
2) the simple fact that she's running for the much-coveted 1st District seat, while lacking any government experience in holding public office. Needless to say, there's a lot of politicians with years of experience going for that same job. She's dreaming or smoking some serious s* if she thinks that she can take on veteran politicians for such a valuable post and have any chance of winning;
3) I remember other politicians who used the sex industry as a whipping boy to gather support for themselves during elections, such as Duke Bainum, Jon Yoshimura and the Andy Mirikatani. While Duke was a nice guy who I voted for, the same cannot be said for Jon and especially not for Andy;
4) Kathryn has no educational background to prepare her for Congress, such as law or economics. Her education is in the arts and she worked as a filmmaker before doing some work for Legal Aid in Hawaii.
5) Xian's Twitter feed has included tweets about LGBT issues, in addition to sex industry stuff. Assuming her Twitter behavior matches her FB behavior, I'm assuming the same may be true of PASS' Facebook page. So, people who joined the FB page to support PASS are now receiving messages supporting gay rights. There's nothing wrong with that, but I doubt they thought they'd be getting messages like that when they first joined.
This got me wondering:
1) did Xian start PASS so she could make a name for herself and run for office? Or.
2) Is Xian running for office knowing she will lose, but wanting some extra attention for herself and PASS?
Just wanted to get this off my chest.Xian is militant feminist, ideological fanatic. If she became congressman, she will do everything in her power, with help from friends in the media and churches, to shut down the AMPs. Nothing sticks in her claw more than not finding any evidence of coercion or human trafficking among the Asian women who have come through the AMPs.
Hey has anyone seen the new news babe on KGMB at night? Mileka Lincoln I think that is her name. She does the evening news. Not bad.
Lowlys One
11-24-13, 23:20
Hey has anyone seen the new news babe on KGMB at night? Mileka Lincoln I think that is her name. She does the evening news. Not bad.Yeah she's pretty hot but she's been there about one year now, I believe she's from Maui or one of those outer islands.
Captin Crunch
11-25-13, 02:18
I heard on the tv that Stephanie Lum will be back soon. Where did she go? Have a baby? Boob job?
Ass Man808
11-25-13, 02:42
I heard on the tv that Stephanie Lum will be back soon. Where did she go? Have a baby? Boob job?Last time I saw her she was pregnant. She must of gave birth.
I heard on the tv that Stephanie Lum will be back soon. Where did she go? Have a baby? Boob job?Yeah she just had baby boy.
Honolulu808
11-25-13, 04:13
I heard on the tv that Stephanie Lum will be back soon. Where did she go? Have a baby? Boob job?First week of September Stephanie and husband Russ had a beautiful baby boy.
OMG look at that fat, juicy muff!
https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1477937_544111009015593_949058067_n.jpg
Yeah she's pretty hot but she's been there about one year now, I believe she's from Maui or one of those outer islands.Yeah she's been filling in for Stephanie Lum but she said she's going back to field reporting starting today since Stephanie is returning. I think Mileka is originally from Hawaii Island but came to KGMB via stints in Texas.
Member #4472
11-25-13, 17:16
OMG look at that fat, juicy muff!
https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1477937_544111009015593_949058067_n.jpgDon't know if true, that mom was bar girl then open and ran own restaurant. So wondering if the fruit don't fall too far from the tree.
Maybe just hoping / wishing. Still, cannot beat Olena who was known for getting wasted and needing two guys at once to satisfy her before she settled down. That's a true story because I personally know a guy who did her and heard straight from him, blow by blow!
Don't know if true, that mom was bar girl then open and ran own restaurant. So wondering if the fruit don't fall too far from the tree.
Maybe just hoping / wishing. Still, cannot beat Olena who was known for getting wasted and needing two guys at once to satisfy her before she settled down. That's a true story because I personally know a guy who did her and heard straight from him, blow by blow!If I recall her bio correctly, JR is from CA but don't know about her parents. Could be wrong as I am too lazy to look it up. I think she's also married; don't know if that's her married or maiden name. Again, too lazy.
I can verify however that Olena was very "free" with her boobs when she was a reporter. Don't know what else she was free with but I had the pleasure of being the recipient of her boobs squashed up against me in prep for an on camera interview. Very real, very large, very soft.
If I recall her bio correctly, JR is from CA but don't know about her parents. Could be wrong as I am too lazy to look it up. I think she's also married; don't know if that's her married or maiden name. Again, too lazy.
I can verify however that Olena was very "free" with her boobs when she was a reporter. Don't know what else she was free with but I had the pleasure of being the recipient of her boobs squashed up against me in prep for an on camera interview. Very real, very large, very soft.Jennifer or Olena whose hotter.
Lowlys One
11-25-13, 19:23
Yeah she's been filling in for Stephanie Lum but she said she's going back to field reporting starting today since Stephanie is returning. I think Mileka is originally from Hawaii Island but came to KGMB via stints in Texas.Come to think about it, I really like Mileka, not a communications major so I don't know the technical stuff about broadcasting but she'll pass my eye / ear test, just a pleasent face and voice to get the news from.
Jennifer or Olena whose hotter.Back when she was competing for the Miss America contest after winning Miss Hawaii, she was a wet dream! Used to see her in 240 hour Fitness getting in shape for the pageant. She's hard to beat! Plus, having heard stories from other brothers here about the sexmaniac, fill-all-holes kinda girl she was, puts her over the top!
Jennifer on the otherhand... She's the kind of girl you want to fuck hard at night, but wake up next to in the morning and make tender love!
Jennifer or Olena whose hotter.My top three are Moani Nabarro, Nana Okawa and Kanoe Gibson!!
JustForPretend
11-27-13, 02:10
My top three are Moani Nabarro, Nana Okawa and Kanoe Gibson!!Rachel Pacarro! I think that's how you spell it. Kgmb traffic girl in the morning.
Every now and then Mileka has them big nips poking through-big nips, the kind to suck on all night. Total package that one-great communicator, sense of humor, and nice lookn with a full set of tatas with them big suckable nips.
Been watching tv the past few days, I notice that Kanoe is starting to show a small baby bump. Either that or she is starting to gain weight around the mid section. Lets hope that her tits start to grow too if she is pregnant. The other day she has on a tight dress and showed off a nice ass too.
I saw Yunji one day, she actually looks pretty good in real life. I would bang her any time.
BeerAddict
01-05-14, 01:53
Been watching tv the past few days, I notice that Kanoe is starting to show a small baby bump. Either that or she is starting to gain weight around the mid section. Lets hope that her tits start to grow too if she is pregnant. The other day she has on a tight dress and showed off a nice ass too.
I saw Yunji one day, she actually looks pretty good in real life. I would bang her any time.Yunji is a total hottie. Saw her at a fundraiser one night and couldn't stop thinking that some lucky dude gets to screw her every night. Lucky dude. She was wearing a cinnamon girl type dress that was tight up on top. I was surprised at how much of a nice rack she has when presented in the right way.
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