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Anyone planning on testifying against this bill at the next committee meeting? 🤤.You can submit written testimony and not appear in person. Would be interesting to see what the pro-porn group would look like. Would be cool if porn stars went to testify against this measure.
You can submit written testimony and not appear in person. Would be interesting to see what the pro-porn group would look like. Would be cool if porn stars went to testify against this measure.If Abela Anderson testifies, I will testify too.
You can submit written testimony and not appear in person. Would be interesting to see what the pro-porn group would look like. Would be cool if porn stars went to testify against this measure.If you're serious, the trade organization for the adult industry is the Free Speech Coalition. Porn stars have testified in California against the mandatory condom law that passed in LA (but no one enforces), and were interviewed when the backers of the condom law tried to take it statewide.
https://www.freespeechcoalition.com/
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=567&year=2019
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=254&year=2019
Background is they are attempting to force people to pay $20 for EVERY porn / sex / provider related site one wishes to visit and use (likely to include USA-SG), in order to fund a program to support "victims of sex crimes" and combat child porn and human trafficking.
Its a money grab, plain and simple. Every piece of legislation related to trafficking has done nothing but make it harder and more unsafe for those who work in the field. When in Germany after they leglized providing services, my whooe perspective changed as providers now had occupational rights and protections for their job, to include healthcare. Hawaii should follow suit to help protect our girls, but instead pushes nonsense like this that causes more harm to everyone.
Fortunately, this is being viewed as extremely unconstitutional, but it could affect us for years until it is struct down by the higher federal courts.Completely agree. I would assume this law would put the responsibility of filtering that content on ISPs, who pass on any costs (and I'm sure there would be a lot of them) to the consumer.
I would also guess that whatever filtering is put it in place, it would easily be bypassed by a VPN. (Assuming it passes the subsequent lawsuits, which I would agree with you, would be an uphill fight.).
If it does pass, I'll open a church in which porn is considered a sacriment. Worked for peyote and pot.
Anyone planning on testifying against this bill at the next committee meeting? 🤤.On a serious note, this legislature seems to be in a tear of proposing stupid, intrusive laws this session.
In addition to the "porn tax":
Another representative wants to raise the minimum age of buying cigarettes to 100 to effectively end cigarette sales in Hawaii.
Oh, and they're also trying to ban flavored vape juice, because kids like the candy flavors.
And I'm willing to bet that marijuana legalization bill is going to make it damn near impossible for anyone who's not a millionaire to open a shop or grow.
I don't smoke cigarettes. I don't vape. I don't smoke pot that often. I'm not some libertarian waving a "Don't tread on me" flag in one hand and a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" in the other.
But goddamn it, these politicians seem really comfortable making stupid laws while not addressing basic priorities like doing something about the rent that's too damn high.
Anyone planning on testifying against this bill at the next committee meeting?.I believe testimony ended on the house bill; they didn't advertise it until it was over, basically. If you visit the links I posted, you'll see that everyone in the committee voted yes in some capacity, and if you read the testimonies, it's pages of alleged high school aged kids testimonies, talking about how porn ruined their life.
Completely agree. I would assume this law would put the responsibility of filtering that content on ISPs, who pass on any costs (and I'm sure there would be a lot of them) to the consumer.
I would also guess that whatever filtering is put it in place, it would easily be bypassed by a VPN. (Assuming it passes the subsequent lawsuits, which I would agree with you, would be an uphill fight.). 🤤.You are correct, though they are currently likely going to implement hardware presets like other states, meaning that if they go that route, all you need to do is buy a computer out of state and they can't do anything.
On a serious note, this legislature seems to be in a tear of proposing stupid, intrusive laws this session.
In addition to the "porn tax":
Another representative wants to raise the minimum age of buying cigarettes to 100 to effectively end cigarette sales in Hawaii.
Oh, and they're also trying to ban flavored vape juice, because kids like the candy flavors.
And I'm willing to bet that marijuana legalization bill is going to make it damn near impossible for anyone who's not a millionaire to open a shop or grow.
I don't smoke cigarettes. I don't vape. I don't smoke pot that often. I'm not some libertarian waving a "Don't tread on me" flag in one hand and a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" in the other..Why do you think they are going after guns so hard as well? Hard to fight back if we don't have the means to. This is literally the dumbest legislative session I have seen to date.
Soon you will be able to buy weed on the legal market but you need to go to the black market to buy a computer.
Lucky you live Hawaii.
Hard Eight
02-11-19, 23:17
Sanho and Blue star was hit last night or this morning.
Soon you will be able to buy weed on the legal market but you need to go to the black market to buy a computer.
Lucky you live Hawaii.Yeah but apparently that weed can only be bought from a dispensary, which there's only two of in each county, and charged with fees and additional taxes.
This state is so fucked.
I believe testimony ended on the house bill; they didn't advertise it until it was over, basically. If you visit the links I posted, you'll see that everyone in the committee voted yes in some capacity, and if you read the testimonies, it's pages of alleged high school aged kids testimonies, talking about how porn ruined their life.
You are correct, though they are currently likely going to implement hardware presets like other states, meaning that if they go that route, all you need to do is buy a computer out of state and they can't do anything.
Why do you think they are going after guns so hard as well? Hard to fight back if we don't have the means to. This is literally the dumbest legislative session I have seen to date.The cops love the gun laws here. Makes their life easy. I got to question their legality, though. But it was never in the interest of the monarchs who ran the kingdom, the businessmen who overthrew the monarchs and the state to have an armed populace. It's always been about a top-down power relationship here.
Also, isn't this funny? Ige signed an executive order to support net neutrality to the month last year.
https://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/latest-news/governor-ige-signs-executive-order-to-protect-net-neutrality-in-hawaii/
From the press release: "Net neutrality bans paid prioritization of content that is seen on the internet; bans filtering or blocking of content, thus ensuring consumers unfettered access to any lawful content on the internet; and bans throttling of internet speeds for accessing certain content, which would have the same effect as blocking content. ".
Last time I checked, this site and porn sites in general were legal.
Sanho and Blue star was hit last night or this morning.I'd say decriminalize it but I know the state would fuck it up.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/02/12/honolulu-police-zero-honolulu-massage-parlors/
Sanho and Blue star was hit last night or this morning.Some of the providers have no local address. So, they are homeless. Homeless people don't get arrested.
I'd say decriminalize it but I know the state would fuck it up.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/02/12/honolulu-police-zero-honolulu-massage-parlors/Kine local gov't would never let that happen. LOL.
State Attorney General Clare Connors has filed a petition with the state Supreme Court seeking the "immediate suspension" of embattled city Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro.
In the document, state Attorney General Clare Connors said Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro's refusal to step aside ― despite being the target of a federal public corruption investigation ― "has subjected every case being handled by the Honolulu Department of Prosecuting Attorney to potential ethical and legal challenges.
State Attorney General Clare Connors has filed a petition with the state Supreme Court seeking the "immediate suspension" of embattled city Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro.
In the document, state Attorney General Clare Connors said Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro's refusal to step aside ― despite being the target of a federal public corruption investigation ― "has subjected every case being handled by the Honolulu Department of Prosecuting Attorney to potential ethical and legal challenges.Tax dollars wasted and spent. Thanks Keith.
Isn't it interesting that these 2 places do not have ads but got hit?
Sanho and Blue star was hit last night or this morning.
Isn't it interesting that these 2 places do not have ads but got hit?A guy who did making ad and marketing jobs was arrested.
He did most places. Do you remember one day suddenly many well known spot stop advertisement?
MasterChief69
02-13-19, 00:25
State Attorney General Clare Connors has filed a petition with the state Supreme Court seeking the "immediate suspension" of embattled city Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro.
In the document, state Attorney General Clare Connors said Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro's refusal to step aside ― despite being the target of a federal public corruption investigation ― "has subjected every case being handled by the Honolulu Department of Prosecuting Attorney to potential ethical and legal challenges.Shit Kealoha's wife and her brother just got indicted for drug trafficking. Just when you think it cannot get more seedy. Kaneshiro is attempting to deflect and distract with Blue Star and Sanho raids. More than 790 convictions are at risk according to the Feds. With the latest charges against Kealoha it is the swan song for Kaneshiro. If the Mayor refuses to suspend him, the petition to impeach already has enough votes for a referendum on his office. But the big bad risk is the 790 convictions will be overturned. There are quite a few murders, rapists and molesters in that docket.
Shit Kealoha's wife and her brother just got indicted for drug trafficking. Just when you think it cannot get more seedy. Kaneshiro is attempting to deflect and distract with Blue Star and Sanho raids. More than 790 convictions are at risk according to the Feds. With the latest charges against Kealoha it is the swan song for Kaneshiro. If the Mayor refuses to suspend him, the petition to impeach already has enough votes for a referendum on his office. But the big bad risk is the 790 convictions will be overturned. There are quite a few murders, rapists and molesters in that docket.Not the Mayor, but instead, the Attorney General's writ is to the Hawaii Supreme Court and asks that it suspend Kaneshiro ability to practice law as Honolulu's Prosecutor until his current conflict is eliminated. Kaneshiro's conflict is due to the USA's recent letter to him which designates him as a "target."
Yeah but apparently that weed can only be bought from a dispensary, which there's only two of in each county, and charged with fees and additional taxes.
This state is so fucked.I'm so glad I left the 808 state. But I do miss it time-to-time.
I'm so glad I left the 808 state. But I do miss it time-to-time.Wow, the legislature there needs to elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as there top "dog".
Watching KHON2 news. Wow! Brigette Namata get some huge fucking knockers. Nice!She's about useless. Other than maybe a pretty face. Probably hard core w the pound me too movement.
Hawaiian007
02-13-19, 16:20
She's about useless. Other than maybe a pretty face. Probably hard core w the pound me too movement.Seen Bridget up close, actually did an interview with her, those are padded brah, its a padded bra and maybe at best 32 b's. Victoria's Secret will can make 32 into 36 with amazing padding, contours, lifts, and such.
007.
Yeah but apparently that weed can only be bought from a dispensary, which there's only two of in each county, and charged with fees and additional taxes.
This state is so fucked.They trying fo ban the firecrackers at new years and 4th of July too. Not getting any news or press on this one tho.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/HB497_.HTM?fbclid=IwAR00zVOEKMALIHW42sfpYt2GYgfQHALyROxPILwIGZRBqWvADtE7P16pvW0
They trying fo ban the firecrackers at new years and 4th of July too. Not getting any news or press on this one tho.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/HB497_.HTM?fbclid=IwAR00zVOEKMALIHW42sfpYt2GYgfQHALyROxPILwIGZRBqWvADtE7P16pvW0This legislature act actually contridicts itself by saying the days of Chinese New Years day is not related to culture, but it actually is. What use is their traditional lion dances without some firecrackers to make it complete? That's what people get for electing a bunch of morons that will not sign their names on such stupid laws.
Hard Eight
02-14-19, 18:23
They got hit about 11 this morning.
They got hit about 11 this morning.Means at least for 4 weeks they have been watched.
Already business phone must be seized or sim card copied.
They like to go in in their tactical gear. I mean it is good to be safe, but it isn't like an AMP girl will be yielding a Tec9 or a MP5. It is just intimidation tactics. It seems the raids did not make the news, so they were probably under the guise of "welfare checks". No arrests, but a way of saying "Hello, we are watching". The new tactic seems to be going in the mid morning, instead of evenings when it will be busier. The state should go back to how it was during WW2. Have licensed brothels that have required medical checks for the girls. Govt makes money off the taxes, the madam and girls still make a bunch of money, albeit a little less because it is taxed. However, there would be no worry about getting busted because these transactions will be legal. I'm sure there will be a couple more police actions this weekend.
[/QUOTE]=HardEight;4152049]They got hit about 11 this morning.[/QUOTE]Is it S.W.A.T. or T.W.A.T. ? Did a monger barricade himself in Happiness and didn't want to leave?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHDg96-ZN_U
Another thing. Why don't the gambling houses get raided instead of the AMPs. Is it because the Prosecutor's office is crooked, or gun shy after Kaneshiro's fuck up with the game rooms? Or perhaps someone profited when Tracy Arakawa et al. , had their machines confiscated, and they are still in operation? Just food for thought.
Another thing. Why don't the gambling houses get raided instead of the AMPs. Is it because the Prosecutor's office is crooked, or gun shy after Kaneshiro's fuck up with the game rooms? Or perhaps someone profited when Tracy Arakawa et al. , had their machines confiscated, and they are still in operation? Just food for thought.As a matter of fact, just yesterday (Feb 13), a gambling house did get raided around 6PM. It's located in the same building as Pearl City Relaxation. No doubt they will be back up and running in no time. LOL.
I have zero evidence to back this up, but it seems like if any massage parlor were to have undocumented providers, it would be places like Vanilla and Sunflower or Century Center in general, but you don't hear of them getting hit as often (assuming the raids are nothing more than ID checks, and I guess Mayflower would be a notable exception). I wonder if it isn't just a big P. R. stunt, while mama slips a cool 10k in the pocket of the lead T.W.A.T. detective.
On a more serious note, what happens to mongers caught in a raid? Anyone with first hand experience like to share or PM?
I have zero evidence to back this up, but it seems like if any massage parlor were to have undocumented providers, it would be places like Vanilla and Sunflower or Century Center in general, but you don't hear of them getting hit as often (assuming the raids are nothing more than ID checks, and I guess Mayflower would be a notable exception). I wonder if it isn't just a big P. R. stunt, while mama slips a cool 10k in the pocket of the lead T.W.A.T. detective.
On a more serious note, what happens to mongers caught in a raid? Anyone with first hand experience like to share or PM?They will never hit bars like hulu's double standard.
For a raid on an AMP. Who you going to call?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONOQnV2pzw
I wonder if it isn't just a big P. R. stunt, while mama slips a cool 10k in the pocket of the lead T.W.A.T. detective.
The thing is there was nothing reported by the local news the day Happiness and Rejuve were raided or, so far as I can tell, since.
Contacted a friend who works in the news and they didn't know anything about it. As others have noted, massage parlors are very visible, soft targets (not much chance of violence or guns on site) so it would be easy for the cops to tip the media off of busts for the evening news, but HPD didn't.
So it wasn't for PR or "optics". Also there's been chatter that no one was arrested.
The raids were also very visible with cops standing around and supposedly Specialized Services (SWAT) was on the scene. So if it was a shakedown for a payoff, that's a lot of potential witnesses and a lot of visibility. Even if you're a cop doing something shady, I'd still have to believe you'd want few to no witnesses that you were there.
Dunno. This feels different. Like a show of force or to show the cops has eyes on those places.
With everything going on with busts / raids / I'd checks, beware of your speeding. Chief Ballard wants a zero tolerance on speeding because of the big accident on Ala Moana. I'm sure you see more cops gunning during the day, and at night. There are even Solo bikes out a night. Drive safe! If you have a laser jammer, you know the drill to shut it off when you get pinged.
Agree, them raid beenhappen forever in AMP and bars, looking for minors and duress, which is a common around the world, Hawaii is no different.
Usually a complaint is the trigger fo action.
Pimps always a problem too.
All part of the game, some good, some bad.
Empire was the worse of bad, but there have been other convictions and dangerous situations.
Keep in mind it's all cash and built on lies and half truths.
The thing is there was nothing reported by the local news the day Happiness and Rejuve were raided or, so far as I can tell, since.
Contacted a friend who works in the news and they didn't know anything about it. As others have noted, massage parlors are very visible, soft targets (not much chance of violence or guns on site) so it would be easy for the cops to tip the media off of busts for the evening news, but HPD didn't.
So it wasn't for PR or "optics". Also there's been chatter that no one was arrested.
The raids were also very visible with cops standing around and supposedly Specialized Services (SWAT) was on the scene. So if it was a shakedown for a payoff, that's a lot of potential witnesses and a lot of visibility. Even if you're a cop doing something shady, I'd still have to believe you'd want few to no witnesses that you were there.
Dunno. This feels different. Like a show of force or to show the cops has eyes on those places.
On a more serious note, what happens to mongers caught in a raid? Anyone with first hand experience like to share or PM?If you're lucky, they will just take your ID and check to see if you have any outstanding arrest warrants. Then let you go if there are none. Always carry your ID when visiting the AMPs.
If you're lucky, they will just take your ID and check to see if you have any outstanding arrest warrants. Then let you go if there are none. Always carry your ID when visiting the AMPs.I agree on that, happened to me. Gave them my I'd after 10 minutes or so they let me go.
Good to know guys, thanks. I usually just bring my keys but will bring ID from now on. @Dangerboy: everything you said makes sense.
This legislature act actually contridicts itself by saying the days of Chinese New Years day is not related to culture, but it actually is. What use is their traditional lion dances without some firecrackers to make it complete? That's what people get for electing a bunch of morons that will not sign their names on such stupid laws.Kitv finally made this thing public. I dunno if this link will work here tho.
https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FKITV4%2Fvideos%2F2249465412046823%2F
See this link for news regarding hobby: https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/20/hawaii-news/sex-trafficking-bills-opposed-by-new-prostitution-lobby/?HSA=63d7be6f9860a17f29c7051923b92b8220555e64.
They got hit about 11 this morning.Is it immigration raids or is this local vice? If it's vice then even if they raid it if there is nobody caught agreeing to take money for anything illegal where do they go from there? Why did Rejuve apparently completely shut down and Happiness is still going?
BlueMoon1000
02-20-19, 23:29
Is it immigration raids or is this local vice? If it's vice then even if they raid it if there is nobody caught agreeing to take money for anything illegal where do they go from there? Why did Rejuve apparently completely shut down and Happiness is still going?Does not necessarily mean "all is fine. Done".
Court can send appealing order to personal address in the future.
Search warrant is not "to arrest" it is to mess personal space to get furthet evidence and search "with legal allowance".
And search warrant can be issued by "quite long time search and probable cause" NOT BY one angry customer's anonymous 911 talking one time only.
See this link for news regarding hobby: https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/20/hawaii-news/sex-trafficking-bills-opposed-by-new-prostitution-lobby/?HSA=63d7be6f9860a17f29c7051923b92b8220555e64.https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/21/hawaii-news/sex-workers-say-police-are-customers-study-reveals/?HSA=6e9b199d04f6665acfc16f4b4773ef04c88342f6
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/21/hawaii-news/sex-workers-say-police-are-customers-study-reveals/?HSA=6e9b199d04f6665acfc16f4b4773ef04c88342f6It wouldn't surprise me that this 'study' is partially the impetus for the recent raids.
Secret Agent
02-21-19, 20:45
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/21/hawaii-news/sex-workers-say-police-are-customers-study-reveals/?HSA=6e9b199d04f6665acfc16f4b4773ef04c88342f6I hope and pray the girls at least saw the badge numbers or I'd and know and remember these officers' names and faces and can pick them out of a lineup. Hopefully video footage of them will be provided too.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/02/21/hawaii-woman-arrested-tied-human-trafficking-texas/
I wonder if this is tied in with Aina Haina House that was used for massage ads. She was arrested in Aina Haina with ties to Texas Massage Parlors. Hono1.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/02/21/hawaii-woman-arrested-tied-human-trafficking-texas/
I wonder if this is tied in with Aina Haina House that was used for massage ads. She was arrested in Aina Haina with ties to Texas Massage Parlors. Hono1.Probably le followed the $ trail, texts, emails or other avenues that probably linked her to various addresses.
JoeVisitor
02-21-19, 23:53
Um, this seems obvious to me. I'm guessing some houses more than others but still. In some ways, good to expose; but on the bad side, probably going to see some more raids in retaliation. Went through similar phase when I first moved to the island and practically every place I visited and found a top notch provider got shut down shortly after. Rough patch for sure. The last 2-3 years were pretty good with the exception of losing Dream and those girls.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/21/hawaii-news/sex-workers-say-police-are-customers-study-reveals/?HSA=6e9b199d04f6665acfc16f4b4773ef04c88342f6
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/21/hawaii-news/sex-workers-say-police-are-customers-study-reveals/?HSA=6e9b199d04f6665acfc16f4b4773ef04c88342f6Haha, the under cover LEO from hpd have been sampling for many many years. They even admitted it in a interviews several years ago when they raided all the estabishments on 1st floor and 2nd floor on Ward ave across from the old sports authority.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/21/hawaii-news/sex-workers-say-police-are-customers-study-reveals/?HSA=6e9b199d04f6665acfc16f4b4773ef04c88342f6It's good to be the King. You can cop a feel without HR saying anything. Then, wink at the camera.
RemingtonSteel
02-22-19, 13:29
Some of us have asked what happens if you get caught up in a raid or wander into a police sting operation. Well in Jupiter, Florida you get arrested. It will probably be a misdemeanor charge, but the public shamming, can go on for some time. Participants in this hobby should consider what you have to lose if caught.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html
WarriorForLife
02-22-19, 13:49
Public shaming and explanation to the wife will be very hard to take. Some of the states in the mainland will throw the book at you if you get caught in the raid.
Some of us have asked what happens if you get caught up in a raid or wander into a police sting operation. Well in Jupiter, Florida you get arrested. It will probably be a misdemeanor charge, but the public shamming, can go on for some time. Participants in this hobby should consider what you have to lose if caught.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html
Skistud2005
02-22-19, 16:03
Do people see the Kraft charges as a game changer? It appears that this was a several month long sting and they collected video and physical evidence (semen) for acts that occurred weeks to months ago. I can see getting caught up in an exchange of money for services and arrested at the time of the event, but allowing the act to take place and then bringing up charges weeks to months later I find to be very scary. I realize that there's always a chance of getting caught up in a LE sting, but I always felt once I left the place and nothing happened LE wise that there was nothing further to worry about. Now I don't feel that way. Has a sting operation like this happened before? I think Kraft isn't even in Florida right now.
Fortunately for Kraft, he is not married. Otherwise that would be a very expensive AMP visit when all is said and done.
Public shaming and explanation to the wife will be very hard to take. Some of the states in the mainland will throw the book at you if you get caught in the raid.
RemingtonSteel
02-22-19, 16:34
Public shaming and explanation to the wife will be very hard to take. Some of the states in the mainland will throw the book at you if you get caught in the raid.Try google Ricki Noel Lander. She's a 39 year old hottie. Just goes to show you, even if you have a hot wife, you'll get bored of the same ole same ole.
As for Jupiter, Florida LE type stings happening here, luckily Hawaiiis a small place, and our monger network is pretty strong. It would alert us to LE stings, and surprise raids that we could get caught up into.
Don't fool yourselves, that kind of sting could happen here, so do be careful. We should be ready to share with each other on things that don't appear right, and ignore those online ads that promise illegal activities at low prices.
Stay safe and don't ignore those spidey senses.
Oh and I did google the penalties for solicitation. Its a misdemeanor punishable by probation, possible fines, and could lead to a short stay at a state or county jail term. Most likely probation. I dont believe someone convicted will have to register as a sex offender, but the public shaming could be a problem (especially if you are a high profile personality). If drugs or solicitation of a minor is involved, it escalates to a felony. Stay away from the 420 friendlies unless we legalize weed in Hawaii.
Ichiro Cho
02-22-19, 16:49
Public shaming and explanation to the wife will be very hard to take. Some of the states in the mainland will throw the book at you if you get caught in the raid.Seems that LEO had cameras in the rooms as well as outside the establishment or they were able to confiscate the massage parlour's videos. More details will emerge in the following days ahead. In the meantime, lets be vigilant brothers.
Public shaming and explanation to the wife will be very hard to take. Some of the states in the mainland will throw the book at you if you get caught in the raid.Pretty sure the wife doesn't DGAF. Kobe Bryant's wife didn't seem to mind the allegations that he faced awhile back.
Also: Robert Kraft is 77 owns a football team and is a CEO. His wife is 39 years younger than he is, and looks like she's usually cast as the "hot girl" in movies. Come to your own conclusions as to what sort of arrangement is in play here. I'm sure it rhymes with "sugar baby".
As for Jupiter, Florida LE type stings happening here, luckily Hawaiiis a small place, and our monger network is pretty strong. What's interesting is that Jupiter Island is VERY expensive place to live. From the Wikipedia page about Jupiter Island: "Some of the wealthiest people in the United States live in Jupiter Island: the June 1999 issue of Worth magazine ranked it #1 in the country for having the highest median home sale, and it has the highest per capita income of any inhabited place in the country. " (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_Island, _Florida).
Coincidentally, Tiger Woods lived on Jupiter Island his penchant for pornstars (see: Joslyn James) blew up in the press. So, imagine imagine an island that's just three miles with people who make the Kahala area code look poor.
Considering the legal firepower I'm sure Robert Kraft has access to, he must have been into some really shady stuff. A simple prostitution charge would have been swept under a rug.
Haha, the under cover LEO from hpd have been sampling for many many years. They even admitted it in a interviews several years ago when they raided all the estabishments on 1st floor and 2nd floor on Ward ave across from the old sports authority.Cops are seeing pros? I'm shocked. Shocked!
On a serious note, was there anyone who was surprised? Anyone? Anyone?
Um, this seems obvious to me. I'm guessing some houses more than others but still. In some ways, good to expose; but on the bad side, probably going to see some more raids in retaliation. Went through similar phase when I first moved to the island and practically every place I visited and found a top notch provider got shut down shortly after. Rough patch for sure. The last 2-3 years were pretty good with the exception of losing Dream and those girls.The biggest lobby in the state is the real estate developers. Tourism is up there. So what don't you want when you're forcing locals out to sell multi-million dollar condos and trying to convince Mr. And Mrs. Middle America to vacation here? Anything that looks like it could be "unwholesome".
So under the guise of "human trafficking" and by installing someone who fanatically believes any woman in the sex industry must be trafficked, because no woman would have sex for money, as the head of the state office of the status of women, the state is driving out massage parlors (but not pimps!) so property values rise and hotel occupancy goes up.
This has nothing to do with "human trafficking". Most "human trafficking" is slave labor, especially on fishing boats and farms, but you barely hear about that.
This is all about squeezing every cent out of property values, and screw you if you you're a local and looking for a place to live.
Ilovewhores247
02-22-19, 19:01
So the LEO installed cameras in these places in Florida? If this is the case wouldn't that be illegal.
BlueMoon1000
02-22-19, 19:05
So the LEO installed cameras in these places in Florida? If this is the case wouldn't that be illegal.With warrant it is legal.
That actually happenes in a few AMP raided here.
Some of us have asked what happens if you get caught up in a raid or wander into a police sting operation. Well in Jupiter, Florida you get arrested. It will probably be a misdemeanor charge, but the public shamming, can go on for some time. Participants in this hobby should consider what you have to lose if caught.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.htmlNobody is untouchable when they let the little head take over. It's too late now but with all the wealth in the world why the fuck didn't he just bring the bitches over to him? I guess the thrill of going to a parlor lives in us all! Finally, the beginning of the end of the patriot dynasty.
WarriorForLife
02-22-19, 19:24
These rich celebs's wife will probably stand on their side because of one thing "money". But from an average Joe's wife, you better have a good explanation, I have seen family broken up due to " fooling around".
Pretty sure the wife doesn't DGAF. Kobe Bryant's wife didn't seem to mind the allegations that he faced awhile back.
Also: Robert Kraft is 77 owns a football team and is a CEO. His wife is 39 years younger than he is, and looks like she's usually cast as the "hot girl" in movies. Come to your own conclusions as to what sort of arrangement is in play here. I'm sure it rhymes with "sugar baby".
WarriorForLife
02-22-19, 20:29
Hard to say, they probably have loops to go around it. But in Hawaii the parlors have in house security camera installed. LE with in a raid with search warrant could easily identify the patrons.
So the LEO installed cameras in these places in Florida? If this is the case wouldn't that be illegal.
RoadRally2
02-22-19, 22:10
So the LEO installed cameras in these places in Florida? If this is the case wouldn't that be illegal.If the leos had leverage on the mamas or the house maybe they cut a deal and decided to do a sting on the guys. They got the sting in Florida, lots of quality locally just got shut down and the girls have gone away. I hope this is a temporary thing and not the new normal.
One intel informed that kathryn xian and her group memebrs were with LE at one raided place.
Anyone has more info?
AirportUse
02-23-19, 03:42
Hard to say, they probably have loops to go around it. But in Hawaii the parlors have in house security camera installed. LE with in a raid with search warrant could easily identify the patrons.Yikes. Not great for us mongers. I was listening to news on the Florida stings and how they installed those cameras after raids of the parlors there. There sure has been a lot of raids here recently. Wonder if that's all to install surveillance cameras.
That actually happenes in a few AMP raided here.That's news to me. Which AMPs?
Public shaming and explanation to the wife will be very hard to take. Some of the states in the mainland will throw the book at you if you get caught in the raid.Kraft doesn't have a wife. But he does have a hot, young girlfriend. He's a friggin billionaire.
WarriorForLife
02-23-19, 06:51
You might be right, with all of these raids recently, but hardly anyone got arrested. Who knows if they were there just to install listening devices and cameras? We will find out if they are pulling the same sting operation like the mainland LE did in Florida.
Yikes. Not great for us mongers. I was listening to news on the Florida stings and how they installed those cameras after raids of the parlors there. There sure has been a lot of raids here recently. Wonder if that's all to install surveillance cameras.
WarriorForLife
02-23-19, 10:54
I am really shock by this. Billionaire like him could have the most beautiful ladies in the world. But he settled for a place like this where girls bang guys around the clock. LE claim they have videos of him inside the room. Let's wait and see how this going to turn out.
Kraft doesn't have a wife. But he does have a hot, young girlfriend. He's a friggin billionaire.
I am really shock by this. Billionaire like him could have the most beautiful ladies in the world. But he settled for a place like this where girls bang guys around the clock. No matter how rich the monger is, he doesn't want to overpay for sex.
Ichiro Cho
02-23-19, 22:55
Yikes. Not great for us mongers. I was listening to news on the Florida stings and how they installed those cameras after raids of the parlors there. There sure has been a lot of raids here recently. Wonder if that's all to install surveillance cameras.That idea certainly gives me an uncomfortable moment for pause.
It Seems to me that girls at the parlours here come and go as they please. My ATFs take regular breake or change venues often enough That I don't suspect that ther are victims of trafficking. I don't think any of the parlours are directly associated with drugs or gambling. It takes activity off the streets. The sex is consensual. I wish that they concentrate efforts in other areas. If anything I would have thought that LEO would concentrate on areas like CC where building residents might be complaining.
This country is so sexually repressed and hypocritical. If I'm 77 and still looking for pussy, I'd consider myself a lucky, healthy man. Assuming he wasn't knowingly exploiting women (or worse, girls) who have been trafficked against their will, we should be looking at the man with a certain measure of respect, even awe. But this is a country that goes apeshit with our puritanical values over something like this, but turn a blind eye to the lies coming out of the executive branch of our government—for what? To nominate conservative judges and push legally dubious (and ethically bankrupt) domestic and foreign policy. At the end of the day, we're all complicit in the various forms of prostitution (sexual, ethical, political) that we claim to abhor. Just fucking own it and take the hypocrisy somewhere else.
WarriorForLife
02-24-19, 05:40
The guy has over 6 billions in his net worth, and has donated millions in charity. He could have the most beautiful ladies in the world at his own place. In Florida first conviction of solicit of prostitution is a month in jail and fines. Anyway I don't think he was trying to save money, but maybe he was into a specific lady he likes at the parlor, since he has repeated visits there.
You never know the local LE is trying to set up same type of sting operation here, but with the increasing of raids recently, there is a big possibility they are doing the same.
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No matter how rich the monger is, he doesn't want to overpay for sex..
No matter how rich the monger is, he doesn't want to overpay for sex.If he "overpaid" for sex, it's more than likely we wouldn't be hearing about this.
It's pretty rare to hear about expensive indie and agency girls getting pinched, never mind about their clientele.
Massage parlors and street walkers are overt targets for any LE "get tough on crime" campaign.
These rich celebs's wife will probably stand on their side because of one thing "money". But from an average Joe's wife, you better have a good explanation, I have seen family broken up due to " fooling around".The rich are different.
Nephilim3000
02-24-19, 17:46
With warrant it is legal.
That actually happenes in a few AMP raided here.This is definitely news and media! Never heard of this. Which AMP did it happen to here?
Nobody is untouchable when they let the little head take over. It's too late now but with all the wealth in the world why the fuck didn't he just bring the bitches over to him? I guess the thrill of going to a parlor lives in us all! Finally, the beginning of the end of the patriot dynasty.Granted, this guy is going to pay many times over in lawyer's fees, but I'd be surprised if he got probation. The history of city prosecutors going up against well-funded legal defense teams are pretty abysmal. Examples: OJ, Robert Blake, Kobe Bryant — And those were trials for major felonies, and two of them occurred in LA, which is no slouch in funding their prosecutors office.
But when you're woth billions, tens of thousands in legal fees for a rub and tug for a few hundred might has well be change in the sofa. His wife isn't going to leave him. And it isn't like the NFL is going to do anything either.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/ringleader-of-sex-buyer-group-league-of-extraordinary-gentlemen-gets-more-than-3-years-in-prison/
Charles Peters, the leader and gatekeeper of the self-titled "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" — a group of men who frequented and rated prostitutes — was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison.
His case was the last to be resolved after a joint investigation by the King County Sheriff's Office and the Bellevue Police Department that began in spring 2015 and led to charges being filed against Peters and nine other "League" members the following January, according to prosecutors. Charges against more men soon followed.
Thirty-two men pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution, but Peters — who used the handles "PeterRabbit" and "TomCat007" in his sexually explicit, online reviews of prostituted women — was the only one to go to trial, according to prosecutors.
"He did as much as anyone to build and advance demand for prostitution in the Pacific Northwest," a seven-page case summary written by Senior Deputy Prosecutors Gary Ernsdorff and Ben Gauen says of Peters, noting he financed the creation of a now shuttered website that exclusively advertised prostituted Korean women, known as "K girls. ".
The website, which went online in May 2015," was a huge success" visited by nearly 40,000 individuals in a month; combined, visitors to the site viewed more than 1 million pages a month before the site was taken down in January 2016, according to the summary.
When you want to know how much bullshit is in this article all you need do is see the words "huge success" and 40,000 hits a month. Our traffic stats are available to the public, we are successful but we aren't a huge success and we get 800,000 page loads a day from 200,000 visitors.
Those guys opened their own forum, had public meetings where they discussed their business and then let a cop join their group and got busted from inside. It had nothing to do with what they wrote, it had everything to do with what they did in reality.
A2
https://www.ktnv.com/news/national/underground-website-rubmaps-com-helps-customers-find-illicit-massage-parlors
Reports out there saying cops have surveillance video showing Kraft entering the AMP at 11:00 am and exiting at 11:15 am on the day of the AFC championship game. The blue pill might have worked too good. LOL.
https://www.ktnv.com/news/national/underground-website-rubmaps-com-helps-customers-find-illicit-massage-parlorsThe newsreporter"s name is really Merris Badcock?
Ok so I wonder how the FBI got the cameras inside the massage parlor? Or better yet inside the rooms and yes I understand it was a sting going for weeks but still can't see how they got cameras in unless inside job. For example say Happiness has a sting going on right now so how they going get cameras in unless its inside job? And keep in mind there saying they got Kraft on camera in sex acts which would mean cameras were in the room.
Does anyone have a good article that sheds light as to how this whole Florida spa thing panned out?
I'm super curious to find out how they got enough on Kraft to arrest him. They have his number, check. They have certain video of him entering the establishment. Check. They went through the dumpster to find spreadsheets and cum kleenexes. Check.
Where's the video of him actually exchanging cash or admitting it or having actual sex? They have that shit?
So that means the trafficker got in bed with the fuzz (also weird how this was a local sting and had nothing to do with Feds amiright?
They utilized rubmaps posts to enhance their case and arrested an additional 100 others based on explicit captured video is that what I'm supposed to conclude?
This whole thing is whacky. But interesting.
Hopefully Trump pardons this dude. Would be hilarious.
I wonder why this site doesn't use HTTPS to help prevent eavesdropping.
Exactly what data would we need to encrypt? Are you entering your personal information into a form that is being transmitted to our server or are you creating a post that is meant to be available to the public the moment you post it?
I think the better question to ask would be "what is the purpose of HTTPS?" because I'm pretty sure you don't know.
The only data that could possibly, and I do mean "possibly" be compromising might be the IP address and if thats an issue then use a VPN. Outside of that we don't use much security because we don't collect any data that needs protecting or is StangBang your real name?
You don't need a strong box to protect the air brother.
A2
JoeVisitor
02-25-19, 22:19
I've always thought rich guys like that (some pretty rich guys got swept up) would have connections to some high-end services that are out of reach of most of us. But maybe they have just as hard a time finding that kind of provider as we do. I'd prefer to go to a reliable independent pro not associated with an AMP. That place in Fla was a complete dive and just there for the uber cheap HE and I can't imagine a scenario where those guys didn't have better options. I'd pay more for a regular setup with a pro here on the island but I've never seen one advertised on Oahu that I'm interested in. Perhaps I don't have the right connections or am just looking in the wrong place.
JoeVisitor
02-25-19, 22:25
I heard an interview with the sheriff in charge of the operation and he said they have something like 300 arrest warrants and that's mostly mongers they monitored via cameras (and elsewhere I heard by logging license plates and some traffic stops to get the names and info after they left the massage parlor). He said other jurisdictions have called to ask how they ran their operation so they could do the same. That's a bit unnerving. Before I was officially mongering I tried a couple of places (not here) and actually just got lame massages because I didn't know the lingo and the providers weren't as up-front as they are here. That'd suck if you didn't actually partake but still but publicly shamed.
Reports out there saying cops have surveillance video showing Kraft entering the AMP at 11:00 am and exiting at 11:15 am on the day of the AFC championship game. The blue pill might have worked too good. LOL.Or not at all.
I heard an interview with the sheriff in charge of the operation and he said they have something like 300 arrest warrants and that's mostly mongers they monitored via cameras (and elsewhere I heard by logging license plates and some traffic stops to get the names and info after they left the massage parlor). He said other jurisdictions have called to ask how they ran their operation so they could do the same. That's a bit unnerving. Before I was officially mongering I tried a couple of places (not here) and actually just got lame massages because I didn't know the lingo and the providers weren't as up-front as they are here. That'd suck if you didn't actually partake but still but publicly shamed.Some of these fakas going to get a dakine knock at the door soon.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/ringleader-of-sex-buyer-group-league-of-extraordinary-gentlemen-gets-more-than-3-years-in-prison/
Charles Peters, the leader and gatekeeper of the self-titled "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" a group of men who frequented and rated prostitutes was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison.
His case was the last to be resolved after a joint investigation by the King County Sheriff's Office and the Bellevue Police Department that began in spring 2015 and led to charges being filed against Peters and nine other "League" members the following January, according to prosecutors. Charges against more men soon followed.
Thirty-two men pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution, but Peters who used the handles "PeterRabbit" and "TomCat007" in his sexually explicit, online reviews of prostituted women was the only one to go to trial, according to prosecutors.
"He did as much as anyone to build and advance demand for prostitution in the Pacific Northwest," a seven-page case summary written by Senior Deputy Prosecutors Gary Ernsdorff and Ben Gauen says of Peters, noting he financed the creation of a now shuttered website that exclusively advertised prostituted Korean women, known as "K girls. ".
The website, which went online in May 2015," was a huge success" visited by nearly 40,000 individuals in a month; combined, visitors to the site viewed more than 1 million pages a month before the site was taken down in January 2016, according to the summary.
When you want to know how much bullshit is in this article all you need do is see the words "huge success" and 40,000 hits a month. Our traffic stats are available to the public, we are successful but we aren't a huge success and we get 800,000 page loads a day from 200,000 visitors.
Those guys opened their own forum, had public meetings where they discussed their business and then let a cop join their group and got busted from inside. It had nothing to do with what they wrote, it had everything to do with what they did in reality.
A2Its not done just yet. He CP is appealing and will have another trial in lower court. Will he win probably not, but the final nail hasn't been hammered into the coffin just yet?!
MAGA. Why didn't Trump's BFF Robert Kraft buy American?
MAGA. Why didn't Trump's BFF Robert Kraft buy American?Too funny lmao.
JoeVisitor
02-26-19, 13:02
Its all about your level of paranoia. I use Tor so most of this does not apply to my case. That said, anything transmitted over an HTTP connection is clear text and readable by anyone looking at network traffic. HTTPS encrypts / decrypts at both ends so nothing is every in clear text as it's sent over the wire. Is that an issue for most people going to most sites? Not unless you feel like someone is deliberately monitoring your network or trying to purposefully eavesdrop on you; while it's easy for network people to do this, for the average person it's very difficult. But my wireless network uses encryption, isn't that good enough? That's only between the device and router from there out it's not encrypted. As A2 said, it's doubtful you are posting any personal information so nothing to worry about. If you are using a non-tor browser, the best an average joe (who has access to your computer) could do is look at your DNS log and see what sites you've been visiting. It's all way more complicated than this and thus security through obscurity rules for most cases. Its all more complicated than this but this probably isn't the forum to discuss it in more detail.
If you are paranoid, use Tor properly; as A2 said, using a VPN is a good idea too.
I wonder why this site doesn't use HTTPS to help prevent eavesdropping.
Exactly what data would we need to encrypt? Are you entering your personal information into a form that is being transmitted to our server or are you creating a post that is meant to be available to the public the moment you post it?
I think the better question to ask would be "what is the purpose of HTTPS?" because I'm pretty sure you don't know.
The only data that could possibly, and I do mean "possibly" be compromising might be the IP address and if thats an issue then use a VPN. Outside of that we don't use much security because we don't collect any data that needs protecting or is StangBang your real name?
You don't need a strong box to protect the air brother.
A2
Does anyone have a good article that sheds light as to how this whole Florida spa thing panned out?
I'm super curious to find out how they got enough on Kraft to arrest him. They have his number, check. They have certain video of him entering the establishment. Check. They went through the dumpster to find spreadsheets and cum kleenexes. Check.
Where's the video of him actually exchanging cash or admitting it or having actual sex? They have that shit?
So that means the trafficker got in bed with the fuzz (also weird how this was a local sting and had nothing to do with Feds amiright?
They utilized rubmaps posts to enhance their case and arrested an additional 100 others based on explicit captured video is that what I'm supposed to conclude?
This whole thing is whacky. But interesting.
Hopefully Trump pardons this dude. Would be hilarious.Try this one https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/sports/robert-kraft-jupiter-orchids-arrest.html.
There is a hyper link to the affidavit that details the surveillance.
BJ.
Thanks to the Kraft story, sites like these are going to be accessed and revealed to the general public on a larger scale. I might not know what HTTPS is but my point is that if you're browsing this site on a LAN it is simple for a network administrator or computer savvy person to see all of the information traversing over the wire such as posts (reviews). Just a warning to anyone who might happen to be utilizing this site at work or public WiFi. It is easy to setup filters to capture such traffic and flag / alert people in those environments.
Without HTTPS it is easy for an ISP that is subpoenaed or LE with a warrant to see and capture the traffic and see the messages you are posting. With HTTPS they would just know what URLS you accessed at the site. Certainly usage of a VPN or TOR service will help to mitigate this and I assume reviewers utilize those services to aid in maintaining their privacy. Encrypted WiFi helps prevent the clear text aspect of web traffic, but WiFi security such as WPA is easy to crack unless you are using a very complex passphrase. If someone else knows the key they can easily decipher and observe everything you are doing on this site.
More than 1/2 the sites on the web use HTTPS and it seems odd that a site like this doesn't. Just my $.02. More than half of websites use HTTPS these days. HTTPS + HTTP /2 performs better than HTTP.
Its all about your level of paranoia. I use Tor so most of this does not apply to my case. That said, anything transmitted over an HTTP connection is clear text and readable by anyone looking at network traffic. HTTPS encrypts / decrypts at both ends so nothing is every in clear text as it's sent over the wire. Is that an issue for most people going to most sites? Not unless you feel like someone is deliberately monitoring your network or trying to purposefully eavesdrop on you; while it's easy for network people to do this, for the average person it's very difficult. But my wireless network uses encryption, isn't that good enough? That's only between the device and router from there out it's not encrypted. As A2 said, it's doubtful you are posting any personal information so nothing to worry about. If you are using a non-tor browser, the best an average joe (who has access to your computer) could do is look at your DNS log and see what sites you've been visiting. It's all way more complicated than this and thus security through obscurity rules for most cases. Its all more complicated than this but this probably isn't the forum to discuss it in more detail.
If you are paranoid, use Tor properly; as A2 said, using a VPN is a good idea too.
Try this one https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/sports/robert-kraft-jupiter-orchids-arrest.html.
There is a hyper link to the affidavit that details the surveillance.
BJ.Thanks, that's a pretty interesting read. I read on the central Florida forums that LE used a bomb scare to install the listening and video devices when the spas were evacuated. I can't confirm that this is true. I guess it's legal because the Feds used recording devices in their battle with the magia back in the 80's and 90's (RICO legislation).
All this publicity isn't doing our hobby any good. LE and the media have successfully turned the narrative into a fight against human trafficking. I've never been to an AMP where the providers were kept there against their will. Our Hawaii providers bounce from place to place, have regular lives when they are not working, and go on extended vacations on a regular basis. The work can be very lucrative, and is at best a temporary job.
I guess the truth doesn't matter. It's all about cleaning up our streets, as the real human traffickers and abusive pimps go unpunished and thrive.
JoeVisitor
02-26-19, 15:56
Sounds like they got a warrant to place cameras inside the rooms based on concerns from a public health worker. They used a hokey bomb scare to go in and plant the cameras or at least that's what they want people to believe.
Try this one https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/sports/robert-kraft-jupiter-orchids-arrest.html.
There is a hyper link to the affidavit that details the surveillance.
BJ.
I see hundreds and thousands to protest against arrest of undocumente mexiacn workers.
"They are undocumented but pay tax and our good neighbor. Respect!
Shout without mask in front of tv broadcasting camera?
Why don't you guys do that to protect Chinese girls?
Many people do "me too. You are not alone".
"I experienced More nice black dude than bad one. No prejudice. Release him. Stop legal discrimination".
Why don'why we do to shout "I met nice fucking machine. Just my wife thinks it is bad. It is ok. Fight for my cock right".
I think nobody including me are just keyboard warrior.
Just curious about the law here. Doesn't it seem weird that the police can arrange bomb scares or threats but if someone does the same thing it can be penalized up to a felony in certain situations? Strikes me odd. Almost as much as when I first heard Jussie what's his face still had the noose around his neck when the cops showed up at his apartment in Chicago.
I think this might be a major sticking point in this case that could make or break it depending on how its laid out.
Friendly reminder that both mayflower and empire resulted in conviction for traffic. No alleged activity. Busted royally.
It is the dark side of the business. Be careful out there.
Thanks, that's a pretty interesting read. I read on the central Florida forums that LE used a bomb scare to install the listening and video devices when the spas were evacuated. I can't confirm that this is true. I guess it's legal because the Feds used recording devices in their battle with the magia back in the 80's and 90's (RICO legislation).
All this publicity isn't doing our hobby any good. LE and the media have successfully turned the narrative into a fight against human trafficking. I've never been to an AMP where the providers were kept there against their will. Our Hawaii providers bounce from place to place, have regular lives when they are not working, and go on extended vacations on a regular basis. The work can be very lucrative, and is at best a temporary job.
I guess the truth doesn't matter. It's all about cleaning up our streets, as the real human traffickers and abusive pimps go unpunished and thrive.
Here is a link to the affidavit detailing how the police were able to put video monitoring in rooms in the spa: https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf it doesn't state anything about a fake bomb scare but it does state that a search warrant was obtained for video monitoring.
It's an interesting read. Cops would conduct surveillance, wait for individual to leave, pull them over for a "traffic infraction" get them to spill the beans about what services they paid for. They are watching guys getting HJs for 15 hours a day, building the case.
I believe surveillance laws vary from state to state. Not sure about hawaii. Hpd is so probably so disorganized at this time that they won't go to such extremes, but don't rule out such tactics. I wonder if states are getting subsidized from federal funding to stop trafficking to help fund these types of operations. Just remember you have a right to remain silent!
States they obtained a.
Sounds like they got a warrant to place cameras inside the rooms based on concerns from a public health worker. They used a hokey bomb scare to go in and plant the cameras or at least that's what they want people to believe.
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Let me make this easy, yes, it is
As far as her mentioning us, I for one appreciate the free advertising.
I will not however reciprocate and give her article traction here.
Read that article again and try to understand the subtext. In my opinion there is what she says and then there is the picture she paints and they are not the same thing and I don't think that's an accident.
A2
BlueMoon1000
02-27-19, 01:00
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6747247/Eight-Chinese-women-arrested-Floridas-statewide-investigation-international-sex-trafficking.html
It seems to try to catch something huge.
20 M money laundry by estmate.
HawaiiBoy09
02-27-19, 01:00
Does anyone have a good article that sheds light as to how this whole Florida spa thing panned out?
I'm super curious to find out how they got enough on Kraft to arrest him. They have his number, check. They have certain video of him entering the establishment. Check. They went through the dumpster to find spreadsheets and cum kleenexes. Check.
Where's the video of him actually exchanging cash or admitting it or having actual sex? They have that shit?
So that means the trafficker got in bed with the fuzz (also weird how this was a local sting and had nothing to do with Feds amiright?
They utilized rubmaps posts to enhance their case and arrested an additional 100 others based on explicit captured video is that what I'm supposed to conclude?
This whole thing is whacky. But interesting.
Hopefully Trump pardons this dude. Would be hilarious.They're all tracking the story.
Video of women giving HJ & BJ. Him giving them money. Video, no audio.
After one of the visits, they pulled him over in his chauffeuered vehicle and got his I'd.
Robert Kraft saved a couple of bucks going to a rub and tug in Florida. Then, got on his private plane to fly to Kansas City for the AFC championship.
BlueMoon1000
02-27-19, 07:03
Just curious about the law here. Doesn't it seem weird that the police can arrange bomb scares or threats but if someone does the same thing it can be penalized up to a felony in certain situations? Strikes me odd. Almost as much as when I first heard Jussie what's his face still had the noose around his neck when the cops showed up at his apartment in Chicago.
I think this might be a major sticking point in this case that could make or break it depending on how its laid out.This is not "catching state misdemeanor" to collect 1 k fine.
Find news.
Already for those mid Florida, authority seized more than 3 million dollars property and money. And they got at least 20 million dollars money laundering and tax evasion sent to China.
And already found international prostitutes immigration fraud.
That is enough to do weird warrants allowed by court.
Hope none of you helped money gram to foreign country cause you trusted Chinese, Korean prostitutes really help poor family.
[Deleted by Admin] none of you keep contacting with troubled ****** to help their harboring and introducing another AMP.
Things are OK if you just enjoy this hobby as secret fun boomvoom and forget.
If you act as if you are someone special for popular places and girls, you had better manage your credit score in case you need to get huge loan.
BlueMoon1000
02-27-19, 07:05
Just curious about the law here. Doesn't it seem weird that the police can arrange bomb scares or threats but if someone does the same thing it can be penalized up to a felony in certain situations? Strikes me odd. Almost as much as when I first heard Jussie what's his face still had the noose around his neck when the cops showed up at his apartment in Chicago.
I think this might be a major sticking point in this case that could make or break it depending on how its laid out.Dallas raid, one Hawaiian woman get arrested in Honolulu.
And two very well known pro (and also owner) who used to be in Hawaii recently get busted and got almost 100 k bail.
Friendly reminder that both mayflower and empire resulted in conviction for traffic. No alleged activity. Busted royally.
It is the dark side of the business. Be careful out there.The real owner of empire, mayflower, China doll and more Chinese spots killed himself when he was again charged of 36 federal felony accounts.
I think a girl wrote about him in forum.
The real owner of empire, mayflower, China doll and more Chinese spots killed himself when he was again charged of 36 federal felony accounts.
I think a girl wrote about him in forum.The engineer or lawyer or something that turned it all in for pimping?
I thought that dude was arrested recently in Texas or something.
The engineer or lawyer or something that turned it all in for pimping?
I thought that dude was arrested recently in Texas or something.And he went plead guilty deal got probation.
Then he came to hawaii and set up new legendary era of hawaii monger paradise with all chinwae women. Arrogant K girls and other asian women had to accept the reality of competition.
Then went to nevada. There he was finally caught. He hs been being watched for ten years. He shoot himself not long ago.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-kraft-arrest-armed-men-moved-sex-trafficking-victims-between-spas?source=articles&via=rss
Snyder said several men he described as mostly white were surveilled shuttling women every few weeks between massage parlors. A female victim of the trafficking ring said that "the man who was moving her around had a gun, and indicated that he would use it," according to Snyder. The men also threatened the women to prevent them from leaving the spas, he said. (The sheriff's office recovered two firearms during their raids of the parlors.).
"We did get a sense that some of these men may have had these women as investments," Snyder said.
Authorities are investigating the suspects' specific role in the trafficking ring. Snyder said his office is trying to obtain witness testimony that the suspects coerced women into performing sex acts against their will to bring human-trafficking charges against the men. Without a witness, Snyder said, his office may pursue charges such as racketeering and money laundering.
// frankly speaking I think there are many guys who had done for pure intention. Just believing their aft to brag his ego and manly lindness. Southern state has quite generous gun policy. It is not surprising many (rich) white males carry gun with them.
All can be translated into fucked up ways.
They authority may insist "damn aggressive Chinese accent scared women victims." If this happens in Hawaii.
I now feel very lucky that I could reject some girls' asking for riding to airport when they go to mainland or asking purchase of money order or sending money via money gram.
And more lucky I just gave burner phone number and didn't contact with them through sns.
But still scared.
It seems that authority knows all but just let working Asian girls go and look for dumb victims for bigger charge on targets.
The engineer or lawyer or something that turned it all in for pimping?
I thought that dude was arrested recently in Texas or something.Blue angel too. Blue angel turned into dream spa.
That place's registered owner was arrested together with hana mama at rejuve. He owned more places including recently raided by paper business license owner. Of course he would not take all the risk to protect AMP real owners.
Bazinga808
03-01-19, 01:40
Sounds like they got a warrant to place cameras inside the rooms based on concerns from a public health worker. They used a hokey bomb scare to go in and plant the cameras or at least that's what they want people to believe.Should the places that just got raided recently in Hawaii be concerned if the raids were just used to evacuate spas and install cameras?
Bazinga808
03-01-19, 01:43
Robert Kraft saved a couple of bucks going to a rub and tug in Florida. Then, got on his private plane to fly to Kansas City for the AFC championship.I would be happy if I'm sill busting a nut at 77 years old! LOL.
Should the places that just got raided recently in Hawaii be concerned if the raids were just used to evacuate spas and install cameras?I wonder if the sting was to bust the John's cause if it was then Owner made a deal with cops to put cameras in there and they would get lighter chg. As for Hawaii yes I wouldn't be surprised if same thing would happen but as far as I know so far knock on wood they haven't gone after John's in Mp. Only downtown.
Should the places that just got raided recently in Hawaii be concerned if the raids were just used to evacuate spas and install cameras?I now find myself looking all over rooms for cameras.
HawaiiBoy09
03-01-19, 23:55
Should the places that just got raided recently in Hawaii be concerned if the raids were just used to evacuate spas and install cameras?
I wonder if the sting was to bust the John's cause if it was then Owner made a deal with cops to put cameras in there and they would get lighter chg. As for Hawaii yes I wouldn't be surprised if same thing would happen but as far as I know so far knock on wood they haven't gone after John's in Mp. Only downtown.I like the girls at Blue Star and Happiness. I'm hesitant to go now because of the recent LE action. I read the Florida articles and don't want to get caught up in that kind of roundup. I wonder how they I'd'd the johns. I know some were dumb enough to use their credit card. Kraft was I'd'd after he left the spa in a traffic stop. I assume to use in the arrest warrant.
https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/28/homeland-security-spied-on-chinese-women
BlueMoon1000
03-02-19, 04:44
https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/28/homeland-security-spied-on-chinese-womenHuman trafficking is only excuse.
Now it may be money issue.
Orland area alone government tracked at least 20 M dollar money laundering to China and in Manhattan area alone another 20 M dollar money laundering to China again.
Do you know already Chinese government is very cooperative with american LE? Both fight a lot but now when it comes to money seizing against illegal activity (anyway officially China is very against sex consumption that is considered evil anti-people old dynasty and capitalism, so they have officially right reason to seize money in China.
Have you ever experienced being charged of felony? For two-three years, prosecutors will charge new thing against you again and again till you just give up and go plea deal. It is prosecutor's job as acting as if you had good dick is pro's job.
And when girls are considered victim, they will get offer. If women are cooperative, they will get T / you visa as victim but if they confess they liked their job, their fate is one, prison then deport.
I think most Chinese women in that situation would choose her best interests.
Interesting thing is that only Hawaii area bust is now concentrated on Korean spots while most big raids in mainland is against Chinese spots. Is it good sign or another ominous warning for further huger attacking?
https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/28/homeland-security-spied-on-chinese-womenOf course! They only use that Traff word to get the media involved.
MasterChief69
03-02-19, 06:33
Should the places that just got raided recently in Hawaii be concerned if the raids were just used to evacuate spas and install cameras?That would be illegal unless, the business agreed to it. In order to record the video in any recognizable definition, the tech would need to be posted very close by to capture anything wireless. There is no way they could hide recorders inside the AMP. The picture would be pretty horrible even at say 720 p. Think about the Red light. Search porn hub for the AMP hidden cam footage. I mean its entertaining but it would never hold up in court.
WarriorForLife
03-02-19, 07:22
It is legal if LE goes to the judge to get a warrant to set up the hidden camera. That was what they did using " human trafficking" as their reason to setup the camera. Now days they have camera to record in very low light condition. So don't be surprise they can have clear video of activity inside the room area.
That would be illegal unless, the business agreed to it. In order to record the video in any recognizable definition, the tech would need to be posted very close by to capture anything wireless. There is no way they could hide recorders inside the AMP. The picture would be pretty horrible even at say 720 p. Think about the Red light. Search porn hub for the AMP hidden cam footage. I mean its entertaining but it would never hold up in court.
https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/28/homeland-security-spied-on-chinese-womenFor posting that link. It was an interesting read.
BlueMoon1000
03-02-19, 10:03
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I'm deleting all the posts where you guys talk about Orlando and trafficking, NOBODY there has been charged with trafficking. They called the people who got busted traffickers and those same guys, thanks to one of them being a billionaire, are probably going to cash HUGE.
http://reason.com/blog/2019/02/25/florida-massage-parlor-sex-stings
That bust is about this story and nothing else https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20190115/jupiter-mayor-faces-challenger-in-march-election
Like it always is.
A2
It is legal if LE goes to the judge to get a warrant to set up the hidden camera. That was what they did using " human trafficking" as their reason to setup the camera. Now days they have camera to record in very low light condition. So don't be surprise they can have clear video of activity inside the room area.So why the bomb scare? You can authorize a bomb scare as a means to an end?
Sounds sketchy to me.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/behind-illicit-massage-parlors-lie-a-vast-crime-network-and-modern-indentured-servitude/ar-BBUhZgJ?li=BBnb7Kz
Another article.
WarriorForLife
03-02-19, 22:52
They made the bomb scare to get everyone out of the building so they can set up the hidden camera in the room. Another way they could have done is raided the place to get people out of the building.
They have the judge permission to set up the hidden camera, but they don't like anyone to know it, so they can get as much as Johns they can.
So why the bomb scare? You can authorize a bomb scare as a means to an end?
Sounds sketchy to me.
Since Kraft pleaded not guilty and the cops saying they got video of him how does he get off from this? He is requesting a non jury trial so is he planning to pay judge off? Only way I can see he is not guilty is if nothing is on video.
BlueMoon1000
03-03-19, 08:44
They made the bomb scare to get everyone out of the building so they can set up the hidden camera in the room. Another way they could have done is raided the place to get people out of the building.
They have the judge permission to set up the hidden camera, but they don't like anyone to know it, so they can get as much as Johns they can.I remember gogo spa raid and dream spa raid. And heard about detail of nirvana bust.
At that time, LE kept working girls and mama inside with them. Or immediate arrest (though a few were asked to show up at court later).
But these raids recently, things are different.
People were sent to outside I heard. Then for a few hours, girls were allowed to back to shops.
With search warrant, it has nothing wrong for LE to do that.
If I hear any result, I would feel okay to visit those places but in this mysterious situation, I will not visit any place.
Drug, immigration issue, tax or money laundering, organized prostitution mafia? Nothing is outed, sounds more scary.
WarriorForLife
03-03-19, 12:38
With the money that he has, you bet he will hire top notch lawyers to defend him like OJ Simpson did.
There was an artical saying he might try to get the case throw out of the court. Since LE went to the judge to get permission to set up hidden camera in the room, using human trafficking as their reason.
Kraft could say there was no one charged for human trafficking as yet in this case. So the hidden camera setup was simply invasion of his privacy.
Since Kraft pleaded not guilty and the cops saying they got video of him how does he get off from this? He is requesting a non jury trial so is he planning to pay judge off? Only way I can see he is not guilty is if nothing is on video.
HawaiiBoy09
03-03-19, 14:01
Since Kraft pleaded not guilty and the cops saying they got video of him how does he get off from this? He is requesting a non jury trial so is he planning to pay judge off? Only way I can see he is not guilty is if nothing is on video.The reports say the video shows HJ & BJ to completion (assumed from towel wipedown) and payment ($ + ?) on one occasion. I'm no lawyer, but maybe they could claim that he's not CLEARLY identifiable on the video. The problem is that he didn't get a massage, so what did he pay her for?
I'm wondering what the other 100+ guys are claiming. Can they just sit back and say "give me what Bob Kraft got"?
I'm considering not going out until the Florida case is closed, or at least Kraft's.
They made the bomb scare to get everyone out of the building so they can set up the hidden camera in the room. Another way they could have done is raided the place to get people out of the building.
They have the judge permission to set up the hidden camera, but they don't like anyone to know it, so they can get as much as Johns they can.You missed my point. I'm pretty well aware why it was done. My question is how is it allowed when the whole basis of phoning in bomb threats especially fake ones is highly illegal.
But these raids recently, things are different.
People were sent to outside I heard. Then for a few hours, girls were allowed to back to shops.
With search warrant, it has nothing wrong for LE to do that.
If I hear any result, I would feel okay to visit those places but in this mysterious situation, I will not visit any place.
Drug, immigration issue, tax or money laundering, organized prostitution mafia? Nothing is outed, sounds more scary.So are you assuming during those few hours when LE was alone in that particular AMP, they may have bugged that place for monitoring? If so, then maybe someone should scan those places with an electronic sensor device that has both passive and active RF emitters to detect both bugging devices. All the judge has to warrant such actions is for LE to document some type of event either through the providers's cell phone messages or from the establishment's phone system to establish probable cause.
Idusixtyning
03-03-19, 23:10
Since Kraft pleaded not guilty and the cops saying they got video of him how does he get off from this? He is requesting a non jury trial so is he planning to pay judge off? Only way I can see he is not guilty is if nothing is on video.Might possibly try entrapment as a defense argument. Also seems LE were in themselves extensively promoting if they "allowed" it to continue long enough to record hundreds of customers.
BlueMoon1000
03-04-19, 01:07
With the money that he has, you bet he will hire top notch lawyers to defend him like OJ Simpson did.
There was an artical saying he might try to get the case throw out of the court. Since LE went to the judge to get permission to set up hidden camera in the room, using human trafficking as their reason.
Kraft could say there was no one charged for human trafficking as yet in this case. So the hidden camera setup was simply invasion of his privacy.Is a matter of money and time.
Kraft can spend money for attorney.
He can get off day for court appeal and losing reputation now is not hurting his life. If his attorney go for constant postpone (he may have to show up at court in suits only to stay there putting his signature on quick trian waiver paper for one minute every montg for 2 years, his cas may get dimissed and nothing affect his life.
But I bet for most of people, that is not easy to do.
BlueMoon1000
03-04-19, 01:27
Might possibly try entrapment as a defense argument. Also seems LE were in themselves extensively promoting if they "allowed" it to continue long enough to record hundreds of customers.LE say their intention was not to catch sexual activity but find more fatal serious felony scenes (like organized immigraioj fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, human trafficking, organizaed sex trafficking), and by councidence those mongers were seen?
If le check me with probable reason of terror, but found only smuggled cigarette cartons. I can not complain when my cartons are seized.
I remember gogo spa raid and dream spa raid. And heard about detail of nirvana bust.
At that time, LE kept working girls and mama inside with them. Or immediate arrest (though a few were asked to show up at court later).
But these raids recently, things are different.
People were sent to outside I heard. Then for a few hours, girls were allowed to back to shops.
With search warrant, it has nothing wrong for LE to do that.
If I hear any result, I would feel okay to visit those places but in this mysterious situation, I will not visit any place.
Drug, immigration issue, tax or money laundering, organized prostitution mafia? Nothing is outed, sounds more scary.Hey Blue, your mail box is full.
Hawaiian Nono
03-04-19, 04:08
So are you assuming during those few hours when LE was alone in that particular AMP, they may have bugged that place for monitoring? If so, then maybe someone should scan those places with an electronic sensor device that has both passive and active RF emitters to detect both bugging devices. All the judge has to warrant such actions is for LE to document some type of event either through the providers's cell phone messages or from the establishment's phone system to establish probable cause.Some good questions and possible tools. If LE bugged a place it would either be covert or with the consent of an owner. Bugging a multi room place would take awhile and they would need to maintain 24*7 surveillance. They would mostly do this when the business is closed. Also they would need to be either nearby or in one of the rooms. To detect cameras simply point your iPhone camera around the room while the lady is out, a hidden camera will show as a bright red light on the screen, it is not difficult to detect. Also in the area check for any strong WIFI signals that don't seem right. There will be dozens of WIFI signals in an area but some will seem out of place.
As far as cell phones you should obtain a burner and use that for communications, these should be discarded upon detection or suspicion of surveillance. As far as ipads / computers using a VPN provides a secure method of using the Internet. During the recent news reports the customer cars were stopped near by LE after leaving the businesses. This was to make contact and secure a legal I'd of the person. They obviously where near by watching customers go into a place and leave. It is best to park nearby and walk to your car, pause if you find someone following you. If this happens to you, you may want to get some bond money together, get an attorney or take a vacation. It looks as if they want to indict at least 100 customers at a time so at 8 to 10 customers a day this would take two weeks. By the way all this is being done in Florida.
I recommend checking an area prior to going in to see if anyone is hanging around. As far as passive and active RF emitters these are used for bugging and there are detection devices to find them. RF Scanners are not expensive and can lower risk. Anyway spider sense is also good as well. Mostly I look at the mama sans and see how they are acting. Safe adventures.
No mean anything to me. I never talk to girls specially if they by hella chance ask what I like.
I went learn long time ago to show but no say.
I hope the get my good side on camera because I was making porno tryout video, LOL.
Live and learn. I think only the short term Chinese ever ask me what you like amdmifni.
I remember gogo spa raid and dream spa raid. And heard about detail of nirvana bust.
At that time, LE kept working girls and mama inside with them. Or immediate arrest (though a few were asked to show up at court later).
But these raids recently, things are different.
People were sent to outside I heard. Then for a few hours, girls were allowed to back to shops.
With search warrant, it has nothing wrong for LE to do that.
If I hear any result, I would feel okay to visit those places but in this mysterious situation, I will not visit any place.
Drug, immigration issue, tax or money laundering, organized prostitution mafia? Nothing is outed, sounds more scary.
WarriorForLife
03-04-19, 14:44
Yes for most people not easy to do especially the married one. Hard to explain to the wife when LE come serve arrest warrant at your door. Attend court dates and if get convicted, hours of community services and classes would be part of the sentencing along with fines.
Kraft will probably get off, he has the time and money on his side, but for most people would get a big headache!
Is a matter of money and time.
Kraft can spend money for attorney.
He can get off day for court appeal and losing reputation now is not hurting his life. If his attorney go for constant postpone (he may have to show up at court in suits only to stay there putting his signature on quick trian waiver paper for one minute every montg for 2 years, his cas may get dimissed and nothing affect his life.
But I bet for most of people, that is not easy to do.
Yes for most people not easy to do especially the married one. Hard to explain to the wife when LE come serve arrest warrant at your door. Attend court dates and if get convicted, hours of community services and classes would be part of the sentencing along with fines.
Kraft will probably get off, he has the time and money on his side, but for most people would get a big headache!He should have set up some police charity fund and then threaten to withdraw those funds when he got arrested. Bet LE would think twice about hauling him to court and lose $millions of funds that would have gone to scholarships for police kids, child care, funerals because money talks whether you're a cop or civilian.
BlueMoon1000
03-07-19, 20:33
He should have set up some police charity fund and then threaten to withdraw those funds when he got arrested. Bet LE would think twice about hauling him to court and lose $millions of funds that would have gone to scholarships for police kids, child care, funerals because money talks whether you're a cop or civilian.Tabloids will report it. Angry sex buyer's rage blah.
Big guy kraft. ABC, NBC, fox, CNN same report.
Then blah blah news for attention and ads more.
What happened inside?
Story of real massage parlor girl ms. Wong's confession.
Media will be happier, kathryn xians will be happier.
People who had no interests in AMP will find this sounds interestin then 70 years grandma will raise up her head to check what kison (media talks a lot) is when she visits times super market.
High school boys will talk about it and dare to go and try only to run away aftet that.
This hobby is fun only when it is kept sealed secret.
BlueMoon1000
03-08-19, 10:06
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/hidden-in-plain-sight-sex-trafficking-thrives-on-the-casual-callousness-of-buyers/m
http://nwasianweekly.com/2019/03/police-raid-massage-parlors-in-chinatown/
Seattle China town's 11 parors were raided.
And at the same time, Chinese tour companies in California were raided of immigration fraud.
FBI tells those tour companies (and attorneys and other biz' companies) are related to sex trafficking to other cities toward america including west coast and flushing, queens in NY.
———.
But the leaders of a sex trafficking ring that brought her and hundreds of other women from Asia to the United States had different plans. After they arrived, the women were told that each of them had to pay off up to $60,000 in debt by providing sex in spas, massage parlors and apartment brothels across the country.
The woman, identified only as Amy in court records, said under oath that she was forced to have sex with as many as 10 men a day. "I had to treat them as if they were my personal god," she said.
Her testimony helped convince jurors to convict five defendants on charges of organized sex trafficking and money laundering. Thirty-one other people pleaded guilty in what prosecutors described as one of the largest trafficking cases in USA History.
The operation was set in motion with a pre-dawn meeting of over 150 officers, including FBI special agents and professional interpreters. Before the roosters had time to crow, the group fanned out and executed search and arrest warrants at five houses and 12 massage parlors, with seven parlors being in the I'd. Two patrons were arrested but released.
Travel agencies in Southern California, suspected to be the hub of the West Coast operation, were used to lure these women into the country, sometimes as tourists, sometimes as students. From Southern California, these women were flown elsewhere — many to the Seattle area.
Honolulu Yobo
03-08-19, 16:09
She needs our vote.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/tulsi-gabbard-decriminalize-sex-work-2020?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bffbbuzzfeednews&ref=bffbbuzzfeednews&fbclid=IwAR204EC8JRiB8rEtqRRb1bpZxBwW0wNkpxAQmmCeoaG7SPDqTljS7rZTQvQ
She needs our vote.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/tulsi-gabbard-decriminalize-sex-work-2020?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bffbbuzzfeednews&ref=bffbbuzzfeednews&fbclid=IwAR204EC8JRiB8rEtqRRb1bpZxBwW0wNkpxAQmmCeoaG7SPDqTljS7rZTQvQIf she makes it that far and out of the nominations, she has my vote like a slam dunk.
I don't know about you guys but I'm looking forward to the presidential debates more than any UFC event I can think of and that includes any GSP, Jone Jones, Mcgregor etc.
Cannot wait to watch Trump stumble allover himself in a debate especially in all his infinite hindsight.
She needs our vote.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/tulsi-gabbard-decriminalize-sex-work-2020?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bffbbuzzfeednews&ref=bffbbuzzfeednews&fbclid=IwAR204EC8JRiB8rEtqRRb1bpZxBwW0wNkpxAQmmCeoaG7SPDqTljS7rZTQvQShe is a joke, she will never get my vote.
BlueMoon1000
03-08-19, 18:26
He should have set up some police charity fund and then threaten to withdraw those funds when he got arrested. Bet LE would think twice about hauling him to court and lose $millions of funds that would have gone to scholarships for police kids, child care, funerals because money talks whether you're a cop or civilian.https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article227186429.html
Medias will not stop talking about provocative articles for a while.
This is not good for hobbysit cause this will make AMP more vumnerable to unnecessary attention from LE and neighbors.
WarriorForLife
03-08-19, 20:37
Democrat better come out with better some challenger or Trump will have a cake walk to a second term.
She needs our vote.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/tulsi-gabbard-decriminalize-sex-work-2020?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bffbbuzzfeednews&ref=bffbbuzzfeednews&fbclid=IwAR204EC8JRiB8rEtqRRb1bpZxBwW0wNkpxAQmmCeoaG7SPDqTljS7rZTQvQ.
AmpAddict808
03-08-19, 20:59
Some good questions and possible tools. If LE bugged a place it would either be covert or with the consent of an owner. Bugging a multi room place would take awhile and they would need to maintain 24*7 surveillance. They would mostly do this when the business is closed. Also they would need to be either nearby or in one of the rooms. To detect cameras simply point your iPhone camera around the room while the lady is out, a hidden camera will show as a bright red light on the screen, it is not difficult to detect. Also in the area check for any strong WIFI signals that don't seem right. There will be dozens of WIFI signals in an area but some will seem out of place.
As far as cell phones you should obtain a burner and use that for communications, these should be discarded upon detection or suspicion of surveillance. As far as ipads / computers using a VPN provides a secure method of using the Internet. During the recent news reports the customer cars were stopped near by LE after leaving the businesses. This was to make contact and secure a legal I'd of the person. They obviously where near by watching customers go into a place and leave. It is best to park nearby and walk to your car, pause if you find someone following you. If this happens to you, you may want to get some bond money together, get an attorney or take a vacation. It looks as if they want to indict at least 100 customers at a time so at 8 to 10 customers a day this would take two weeks. By the way all this is being done in Florida.
I recommend checking an area prior to going in to see if anyone is hanging around. As far as passive and active RF emitters these are used for bugging and there are detection devices to find them. RF Scanners are not expensive and can lower risk. Anyway spider sense is also good as well. Mostly I look at the mama sans and see how they are acting. Safe adventures.To avoid surveillance or being in the middle of a raid, I've started doing outcall with a couple of ATF AMP girls that I've been customers of for awhile and trust each other. I'm a single guy so just host at my place. I do tip some more (but don't pay their Uber). They also don't have to give up house fee. It's worth the safety and comfort. No mama to knock at 45 minutes either. LE can't do anything about consensual sex on my own premises.
She is a joke, she will never get my vote.I agree. Her favoring of al-Assad of Syria, a tyrant who has repeatedly gassed his own people, is reprehensible and unforgivable. I too will never vote for her.
In today's paper was a recap of what did and didn't pass. The bill not allowing access to porn sites unless a fee is paid did NOT pass. Guess the pervs in the senate didn't want to pay.
So are you assuming during those few hours when LE was alone in that particular AMP, they may have bugged that place for monitoring? If so, then maybe someone should scan those places with an electronic sensor device that has both passive and active RF emitters to detect both bugging devices. All the judge has to warrant such actions is for LE to document some type of event either through the providers's cell phone messages or from the establishment's phone system to establish probable cause.So does anyone have the connection to have Mamasan get someone to inspect the place for bugs? If any of the recent raids had everyone move to one room or outside that would be the opportunity to plant something. Nowadays its pretty easy what with internet and so forth.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/unsealed-warrants-show-how-cops-got-into-florida-massage-parlor/ar-BBUErTl?li=BBnb7Kz
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/unsealed-warrants-show-how-cops-got-into-florida-massage-parlor/ar-BBUErTl?li=BBnb7KzIf this article is right all she did was let LE know she had already done their job for them. Someone should have a talk with mamasan about those so called security cameras.
So does anyone have the connection to have Mamasan get someone to inspect the place for bugs? If any of the recent raids had everyone move to one room or outside that would be the opportunity to plant something. Nowadays its pretty easy what with internet and so forth.I'm sure all the rooms have camera's for security purpose, I don't think it's used for porn. One time I was lead to the TS, the girl said she will be right back, she finally came back. After finished with the TS we went back to the room, noticed the light was turned off and realized someone took money from my wallet, I know it was the girl, but my F-UP for taking my wallet and extra money in there. I think the light was off so the camera couldn't film who took went through my wallet.
StickyWeed
03-16-19, 01:37
Hi Mongers,
While driving around Keeaumoku area I saw some blue and whites parked in the parking lot of the building complex on king and kaheka. There are a few massage parlors in that building, so if anyone went to top spa back in the day, they know where I'm talking about. Looks like they raided Sun Spa on the second floor. I never went there. I even saw a HNN car parked, so keep your eyes and ears peeled for anything on the news. From what I can tell, these busts seem to occur during the earlier hours. So, if you're a day monger, be careful (knock on wood)!
Seems to be a lot of busts in this past month alone. Legendary Rejuve (RIP), Sun Spa, and I even saw another smaller bust at Blue Star Spa on the corner of Kalakaua and Phillip street. While driving to work in the morning I saw a police officer knocking on the door at about 8 AM. He was wearing one of those SWAT type masks. I never went there either, but once you go to one of these places, you can recognize most of them. Anyways, stay safe, stay thirsty mongers.
-Sticky.
https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/honolulu-police-and-homeland-security-agents-raid-massage-parlors/1853636181
Looks like Sun Spa, Golden Spa and Ace were targeted...be safe Mongers...Hono1
StickyWeed
03-16-19, 04:58
I wonder if they're going to bust every single massage parlor on the island? Which one is next?
Nothing new, dis been happening foe decades. Sometimes more than others, sometime good bust like Empire andMayfloer and related who busted traffickers. These places were the darkest of dark side of the industry.
Be patient, they almost always open up again Maybe same place, maybe different place. It's like the homeless, until they get big balls and fix the real cause, always goin hav um, AMPs and homeless.
I wonder if they're going to bust every single massage parlor on the island? Which one is next?
Homeless808
03-16-19, 14:27
https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/honolulu-police-and-homeland-security-agents-raid-massage-parlors/1853636181
Looks like Sun Spa, Golden Spa and Ace were targeted...be safe Mongers...Hono1Looks like Kaneshiro is diverting his FBI case to raiding AMPs again. It won't work this time.
Homeless808
03-16-19, 14:31
Hi Mongers,
While driving around Keeaumoku area I saw some blue and whites parked in the parking lot of the building complex on king and kaheka. There are a few massage parlors in that building, so if anyone went to top spa back in the day, they know where I'm talking about. Looks like they raided Sun Spa on the second floor. I never went there. I even saw a HNN car parked, so keep your eyes and ears peeled for anything on the news. From what I can tell, these busts seem to occur during the earlier hours. So, if you're a day monger, be careful (knock on wood)!
Seems to be a lot of busts in this past month alone. Legendary Rejuve (RIP), Sun Spa, and I even saw another smaller bust at Blue Star Spa on the corner of Kalakaua and Phillip street. While driving to work in the morning I saw a police officer knocking on the door at about 8 AM. He was wearing one of those SWAT type masks. I never went there either, but once you go to one of these places, you can recognize most of them. Anyways, stay safe, stay thirsty mongers.
-Sticky.Probably hidden cameras installed like Florida Spa? Stay away unless you want to be on TV but not on Crime Stoppers.
WarriorForLife
03-16-19, 15:37
Hardly anyone arrested from these raids, maybe they are setting up sting to nab the Johns later? Like the LE did in the mainland.
I wonder if they're going to bust every single massage parlor on the island? Which one is next?
WarriorForLife
03-16-19, 15:48
Hardly anyone arrested at these raids. Maybe they are setting up sting to nab the Johns later? Like the LE did in the mainland.
I wonder if they're going to bust every single massage parlor on the island? Which one is next?.
ProfessorGun69
03-16-19, 16:19
I wonder if they're going to bust every single massage parlor on the island? Which one is next?Do LE sting indies too? White girls with big chi chis?
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/16/breaking-news/3-honolulu-massage-parlors-raided-for-allegedly-promoting-prostitution/
Looks like Kaneshiro is diverting his FBI case to raiding AMPs again. It won't work this time.The deputy he put in charge of the office during his leave of absence is apparently a friend and has a hard-on for sex trafficking. Given how dirty the whole office is looking, I wouldn't be surprised the deputy gets swept up in the federal probe and is trying to look like a good little crime fighter until he gets a subpoena.
Nothing new, dis been happening foe decades. Sometimes more than others, sometime good bust like Empire andMayfloer and related who busted traffickers. These places were the darkest of dark side of the industry.
Be patient, they almost always open up again Maybe same place, maybe different place. It's like the homeless, until they get big balls and fix the real cause, always goin hav um, AMPs and homeless.Funny how they go after the parlors, but never sweep Waikiki for the pimps. The track's a lot smaller now (I've heard the SWs in Waikiki congregate around Lewers) but it's not like the pimps keep a low profile.
And when I say "funny" I mean totally predictable. But then again, I suppose they don't have to worry the 70 year old mamasans being strapped, and the parking's better for the press outside the AY Wong building when they tip them off that they’re about to make a bust.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/16/breaking-news/3-honolulu-massage-parlors-raided-for-allegedly-promoting-prostitution/"Susannah Wesley Community Center caseworkers accompanied the law enforcement officers to offer assistance to potential sex trafficking victims. ".
I'm wondering how the conversation went with some of these girls:
CASE WORKER: I'm here to help you. I can help place you in a job in fast food or maybe even a temp agency.
AMP GIRL: Fast food? Temp agency? Do you know how much I make in an hour?
https://www.kitv.com/story/39298811/honolulu-awarded-12-million-to-form-human-trafficking-task-force
1. 2 million reasons why for the Blank-job. Can't tell who's the prostitute.
FleshPrince
03-16-19, 23:54
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/16/breaking-news/3-honolulu-massage-parlors-raided-for-allegedly-promoting-prostitution/I heard that some intrusive shit went on during the raid. The workers were told to stand outside and were not allowed to leave for several hours. During that time the masked officers "searched the premises", pretty much ransacking the rooms. Cameras and video servers were confiscated, so weeks of recorded video are in le possession now. Phones were given to le so data was potentially copied before phones were returned to girls. Girls were interrogated separately about activities and about things found on premises that implied sexual activity. Also Concerning is the amount of time that LE was in the parlors. After what happened in Florida, it would be wise to exercise caution. Even making a call now seems like a potentially risky thing. Maybe just me being paranoid.
https://www.kitv.com/story/39298811/honolulu-awarded-12-million-to-form-human-trafficking-task-force
1. 2 million reasons why for the Blank-job. Can't tell who's the prostitute.700 k split 3 what is aint too bad.
https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/massage-parlor-raid-could-be-linked-to-sex-trafficking/1855302153
She's back in the news, I knew she would comment on this matter. Hono1.
RoadRally2
03-17-19, 02:58
I heard that some intrusive shit went on during the raid. The workers were told to stand outside and were not allowed to leave for several hours. During that time the masked officers "searched the premises", pretty much ransacking the rooms. Cameras and video servers were confiscated, so weeks of recorded video are in le possession now. Phones were given to le so data was potentially copied before phones were returned to girls. Girls were interrogated separately about activities and about things found on premises that implied sexual activity. Also Concerning is the amount of time that LE was in the parlors. After what happened in Florida, it would be wise to exercise caution. Even making a call now seems like a potentially risky thing. Maybe just me being paranoid.I agree. Right now there is a lot of enforcement activities going on. Imo quite risky to visit any places right now. Lay low for now, I think more busts still but eventually it will pass. Rejuve down so much closures wonder which place will emerge as the next all time great.
https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/massage-parlor-raid-could-be-linked-to-sex-trafficking/1855302153
She's back in the news, I knew she would comment on this matter. Hono1.Can't stand this wannabe butch!
I agree. Right now there is a lot of enforcement activities going on. Imo quite risky to visit any places right now. Lay low for now, I think more busts still but eventually it will pass. Rejuve down so much closures wonder which place will emerge as the next all time great.Kinda agree more to come! Especially with this regime.
WarriorForLife
03-17-19, 03:35
Sound like they are going after the Johns very soon. These security camera upload the recorded footage to a server hard drive and store it for a long period of time. If LE confiscated the server and camera. Then LE probably got all of the Johns mugshots from inside the building.
The problem is these parlors owners not doing themselves any good. LE busted them one day and they reopen it within less than 24 hours. LE probably have no other choice to go after the demands soon.
I heard that some intrusive shit went on during the raid. The workers were told to stand outside and were not allowed to leave for several hours. During that time the masked officers "searched the premises", pretty much ransacking the rooms. Cameras and video servers were confiscated, so weeks of recorded video are in le possession now. Phones were given to le so data was potentially copied before phones were returned to girls. Girls were interrogated separately about activities and about things found on premises that implied sexual activity. Also Concerning is the amount of time that LE was in the parlors. After what happened in Florida, it would be wise to exercise caution. Even making a call now seems like a potentially risky thing. Maybe just me being paranoid.
"Susannah Wesley Community Center caseworkers accompanied the law enforcement officers to offer assistance to potential sex trafficking victims. ".
I'm wondering how the conversation went with some of these girls:
CASE WORKER: I'm here to help you. I can help place you in a job in fast food or maybe even a temp agency.
AMP GIRL: Fast food? Temp agency? Do you know how much I make in an hour?Hopefully, AMP Girl: say uc also sample me many times.
Stay away for now that guy who is trying to replace Kaneshiro wants to make a name for himself and keep in mind I'm pretty sure these Raids they take everything in there which means most of us are on Film since all these places have cameras. Not saying film doing the deed but film going in and leaving.
I expect several more.
Changes with HPD and Prosecuters Office = trying to look like they cleans up their act or the right people aren't getting paid off?
MoonOfJamaica
03-17-19, 06:04
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/16/hawaii-news/3-honolulu-massage-parlors-raided-for-allegedly-promoting-prostitution/
Interesting part is this.
Search warrants were executed at Ace Spa, Golden Spa and Sun Spa at 1507 S. King St. For allegedly promoting prostitution and sex trafficking.
Eight people were indicted by a grand jury last week on multiple charges including illegal ownership of a business and criminal conspiracy to promote prostitution, according to the prosecutor's office. So far only two have been arrested.
I heard 8 persons in arrest list, then 6 more arrests will happen sooner or later??
Be safe. Lying low sounds better now.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/16/breaking-news/3-honolulu-massage-parlors-raided-for-allegedly-promoting-prostitution/I've seen one of the mamas who was busted just last weekend when I was visiting a friend at County Club Plaza.
I agree. Right now there is a lot of enforcement activities going on. Imo quite risky to visit any places right now. Lay low for now, I think more busts still but eventually it will pass. Rejuve down so much closures wonder which place will emerge as the next all time great.Yes, lay low and fly under the radar. However, this will not blow over as Hawaii has all that federal grant money. What they need to do to get more funding is to show proof they are using the money effectively. Proof would be arrests, prosecutions, closures, and finding some that were trafficked. Lots of stats to show their effectiveness. The same goes for the fed funds to crack down on speeding. Number of citations, arrests, and so forth show their effectiveness, and funds get renewed.
The news also said eight people were indicted. Two have been arrested this weekend, so there will be more raids in the very near future.
https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/massage-parlor-raid-could-be-linked-to-sex-trafficking/1855302153
She's back in the news, I knew she would comment on this matter. Hono1.She looks like a guy with jeans and I first thought "he" was a AMP customer.
Honolulu Yobo
03-17-19, 10:35
Now do you understand why the police wear masks?
The mama's with the help of their lawyers should develop a protocol for entry by police. This would include asking for three pieces of ID by each member of the Swat team entering the premise, having them uncover their masks to verify identity as to whether or not they are really Police, calling a lawyer that is on retainer, to come to the premise to inform these women of their rights, and ensure that their properties are not stolen. They don't have to get belligerant to the Police, just tell them that they are being careful, as they have been robbed before. Tell the police that they will let them in when their attorney arrives, and verifies all pertinent information. Have the attorney read the warrant before allowing entry, for what is to be searched. Remember, keeping the screen door locked is essential for preventing theft by anyone. Call 911 if they have to, just to have a regular Cop come down to verify no hanky panky is going on, or a real theft is occurring.
Have the attorney call the Chief of Police to inform her that these egregious Rights violations are being violated. Send a copy of the live stream to the Lawyers office.
Have all the conversations recorded by all the girls on their phones, and have it sent to a phone that is not on location. Police don't like to be recorded, no matter what the situation.
These women need to encrypt their phones, and lock them by password; not by fingerprint verification or pin number. The same needs to be done for surveillance cameras; password protection. Put the passwords in a foreign language, make it even harder for them.
I heard that some intrusive shit went on during the raid. The workers were told to stand outside and were not allowed to leave for several hours. During that time the masked officers "searched the premises", pretty much ransacking the rooms. Cameras and video servers were confiscated, so weeks of recorded video are in le possession now. Phones were given to le so data was potentially copied before phones were returned to girls. Girls were interrogated separately about activities and about things found on premises that implied sexual activity. Also Concerning is the amount of time that LE was in the parlors. After what happened in Florida, it would be wise to exercise caution. Even making a call now seems like a potentially risky thing. Maybe just me being paranoid..
So, multiple massage parlors were hit under the cover of human trafficking. Yet, how many have been busted for actually trafficking women? I've not heard one raid in Hawaii where someone was there without their consent. How long are cops and politicians going to use this bullshit of human trafficking for justification to raid these places?
PanochaMan
03-17-19, 13:40
So, multiple massage parlors were hit under the cover of human trafficking. Yet, how many have been busted for actually trafficking women? I've not heard one raid in Hawaii where someone was there without their consent. How long are cops and politicians going to use this bullshit of human trafficking for justification to raid these places?As long as the feds will give them the money for this guise. It's all a farce. They would be going after the fishing boats and Aloun farms if they really wanted to battle human trafficking.
So, multiple massage parlors were hit under the cover of human trafficking. Yet, how many have been busted for actually trafficking women? I've not heard one raid in Hawaii where someone was there without their consent. How long are cops and politicians going to use this bullshit of human trafficking for justification to raid these places?So has anyone read anywhere how many victims are currently under Kathryn Xian's care?
So has anyone read anywhere how many victims are currently under Kathryn Xian's care?Aren't quite sure what to call this person, a "he" or a "she", but I don't think it has any so called "victims" under her care.
Now there are concerns about the event that your phone number may have been listed on either the provider's phone or mama san's business phone and recorded by LE. I'm not a lawyer and maybe one can verify whether it is recommended that the so called "Johns" start calling legit massage places to document these numbers as to prove that one actually goes to these legal establshments and that the number the provider has may just be a mistake as it is not uncommon to mistake the massage parlor as a legit establishment.
I would recommend one uses a different name as to muddle any evidence, one can always say you lent your phone to some friend or person on the street who needed to make a phone call and was unaware he / she went to the massage parlor for "appointment". Just casting doubt in the collection of data by LE.
". we know there are over 100 active massage parlor brothels that re (sic) being reviewed by sex buyers who are local, tourists, business people, regulars, that are listed online right now".
Really? Care to share?
MoonOfJamaica
03-17-19, 15:41
Release date / time / 10,000.
Release date / time / RBL 10,000.
What is the difference between those two?
The number 10,000 means bail amount?
A good friend of mine joked that when news of Dr majik getting arrested because of all this is when he'll start to really worry.
After all, He is the canary in the coal mine since he is probably one of the few who is in every spa video. LOL.
No forget Empire and couple others were convicted. This means girls here here not on their own free will.
So, multiple massage parlors were hit under the cover of human trafficking. Yet, how many have been busted for actually trafficking women? I've not heard one raid in Hawaii where someone was there without their consent. How long are cops and politicians going to use this bullshit of human trafficking for justification to raid these places?
DrMajikLuv69
03-17-19, 16:27
Quote we know there are over 100 active massage parlor brothels that are being reviewed by sex buyers who are local, tourists, business people, regulars, regular SWAT team member that frequent massage parlors, politicians and cops, that are listed online right now Unquote. Thats most likely why they hide their faces in full SWAT gear during a raid so they are not identified by the girls there. The cops in the video wore bandannas across their faces during the raid. There is no human trafficking in any of the massage parlors in Hawaii. That lesbian chick and her organization wasting millions to fund an organization that doesnt need to exist. I wish the news would report the truth.
Shirokiya59
03-17-19, 17:15
Quote we know there are over 100 active massage parlor brothels that are being reviewed by sex buyers who are local, tourists, business people, regulars, regular SWAT team member that frequent massage parlors, politicians and cops, that are listed online right now Unquote. Thats most likely why they hide their faces in full SWAT gear during a raid so they are not identified by the girls there. The cops in the video wore bandannas across their faces during the raid. There is no human trafficking in any of the massage parlors in Hawaii. That lesbian chick and her organization wasting millions to fund an organization that doesnt need to exist. I wish the news would report the truth.Its all smoke and mirrors to deflect attention away from the Kaneshiro charade.
Hiro.
StickyWeed
03-17-19, 19:10
Quote we know there are over 100 active massage parlor brothels that are being reviewed by sex buyers who are local, tourists, business people, regulars, regular SWAT team member that frequent massage parlors, politicians and cops, that are listed online right now Unquote. Thats most likely why they hide their faces in full SWAT gear during a raid so they are not identified by the girls there. The cops in the video wore bandannas across their faces during the raid. There is no human trafficking in any of the massage parlors in Hawaii. That lesbian chick and her organization wasting millions to fund an organization that doesnt need to exist. I wish the news would report the truth.Can you be 100% that NONE of the massage parlors in Hawaii are guilty of human trafficking? More likely than not at least some of the parlors were. One that quickly comes to mind is Empire. That places had fresh and young Chinese girls regularly rotating in and out of that place. Those girls barely spoke any english, and that place had few rules if any per the reports. I went once of twice and stopped because it never felt right to me. This type of hobby has it's dark side.
FleshPrince
03-17-19, 19:19
The news also said eight people were indicted. Two have been arrested this weekend, so there will be more raids in the very near future.Anyone have an idea why CHM was not included in the raid? They were open right? Hmmmm. Makes me curious.
Secret Agent
03-17-19, 19:34
Release date / time / 10,000.
Release date / time / RBL 10,000.
What is the difference between those two?
The number 10,000 means bail amount?Yes the above would mean the bail is $10,000. Also noticed there was an arrest at 780 Amana Street (next to the circle building) for promoting prostitution as well. Wonder what indie that is.
WarriorForLife
03-17-19, 19:54
See a lot of posters concern about the Masked LE. Some of these officers are on the vice details and they probably will do sting operation down the road, it is sure they don't want to have their identity revealed.
As far as surveillance camera on the property. LE with search warrant have the right to go over the server recorded footage which keep for long period of time, they will identify the people and if they found any illegal activity occured, they can use it for prosecution.
SpoodrikBrad1
03-17-19, 20:50
To PJam: you are right on about this one! Hahaha.
Anyone have an idea why CHM was not included in the raid? They were open right? Hmmmm. Makes me curious.I don't think it works that way. I would think the raiding party had specific instructions on which AMPs to visit prior to leaving the police station. Apparently, CHM, even though it may have been open at the time, was not on the hit list that day.
FleshPrince
03-17-19, 22:51
To PJam: you are right on about this one! Hahaha.Funny and true at the same time.
FleshPrince
03-17-19, 22:53
I don't think it works that way. I would think the raiding party had specific instructions on which AMPs to visit prior to leaving the police station. Apparently, CHM, even though it may have been open at the time, was not on the hit list that day.Good point. You are right. But I'm still curious why they were excluded from the search warrant since they operate in the same building and I wonder what made them significantly different from the others.
MoonOfJamaica
03-17-19, 23:00
Good point. You are right. But I'm still curious why they were excluded from the search warrant since they operate in the same building and I wonder what made them significantly different from the others.That place is for only silent old papas.
Maybe that reason?
Or maybe cause that place was not loved by our favorite dr. LOL.
MoonOfJamaica
03-18-19, 02:54
Can you be 100% that NONE of the massage parlors in Hawaii are guilty of human trafficking? More likely than not at least some of the parlors were. One that quickly comes to mind is Empire. That places had fresh and young Chinese girls regularly rotating in and out of that place. Those girls barely spoke any english, and that place had few rules if any per the reports. I went once of twice and stopped because it never felt right to me. This type of hobby has it's dark side.Most people just think of 19th century black slave hunting.
By modern law, harboring while they know they are transportating undocumented sex workers or legal workers with debt is considered human trafficking.
One truck driver in texas (many would remember that accident. Several mexicans died in truck) was charged of human trafficking along with other charge.
In mainland one customer just introduced one girl to AMP owner and the girl decided to work there on the condition she would pay debt while working (sex). It was convicted of human trafficking.
And if owner ask a girl to go for BBFS when she has debt to pay back, that is usually contrued into sex exploits or rape.
Sometimes law is very different from what we think.
In some states if you "transport somebody for the purpose of commercial sex" you are a trafficker. So when a guy picks up a SW he is trafficking her.
I don't think any of us are talking about the legal definition of trafficking, I think all of us are talking about slaves, about people who will have the fuck beaten out of them if they don't suck somebodies dick and not get paid for it. And I think that the majority of us would call the cops if we ran into something like that. I know I would, no hesitation.
A2
Good point. You are right. But I'm still curious why they were excluded from the search warrant since they operate in the same building and I wonder what made them significantly different from the others.My theory is this: I believe careful planning goes into each raid. In other works, it is likely the prosecutor's office, through a weeks/months-long investigation, has built up a sufficient amount of evidence to make a charge and conduct a raid against a particular AMP business. I can think of at least four previous raids done over the past couple years where extensive collection of evidence was conducted prior to actually making the raids.
Honolulu Yobo
03-18-19, 03:38
CHM was excluded because the police and the politicians didn't frequent there. There was no need to destroy evidence.
Remember, this is a Democrat controlled State, and they operate like Hillary Clinton.
Good point. You are right. But I'm still curious why they were excluded from the search warrant since they operate in the same building and I wonder what made them significantly different from the others..
Anyone have an idea why CHM was not included in the raid? They were open right? Hmmmm. Makes me curious.Not exactly what they had in mind for looking for underage providers.
MoonOfJamaica
03-18-19, 04:10
Not exactly what they had in mind for looking for underage providers.Isn't it legal if employer hire senior citizens without special medical insurance?
Just joking.
That building been raid many times in past. CHM allegedly hosted a " friendly" poker game regularly during tha day with realtors, business owners and others back few years ago. Maybe the Neva like disturb the game, or maybe friends were involved.
I no play cards, but I know somebody who did. Maybe the game is a factor wink, wink.
Anyone have an idea why CHM was not included in the raid? They were open right? Hmmmm. Makes me curious.
Anyone have an idea why CHM was not included in the raid? They were open right? Hmmmm. Makes me curious.Flash, Mama L, a very sweet lady provided beers for the boys, and complimentary house fees.
Anyone have an idea why CHM was not included in the raid? They were open right? Hmmmm. Makes me curious.Maybe CHM has a legit massage license and girls there also are legit in that field, so therefore doing a raid on the presumptions on human traffic activities would have difficult in proving since all persons at that establishment are registered in Hawaii business agency would be difficult to prove in court and probably thrown out unless there are solid evidence to prove otherwise.
I'm sure HPD or LE doing the raids would avoid having this occur which will threaten any more Federal funding or the Feds asking for refund if it was thrown out of court which has happened in the past. So HPD would not take that risk again because the Feds can ask the judge to triple the reimbursements on the grounds of gross negligence on part of HPD. Just my two cents, so maybe it is safer to visit a legit massage establishment for now.
Flash, Mama L, a very sweet lady provided beers for the boys, and complimentary house fees.Shortie, yup, sweet mama L provided the boys beer before the RAID.
Localoppa, poker on week days, craps on the weekends in the back room on the left next to the shit house.
Was the hang out for memahu, flash, moon, mondo, oneshort, Duce, Ross, Enona, Blake, gofas, and etc.
BTW, The Rico code (law) reads CHM is examp from all RAIDS due to the fact that all the PROVIDERS are seniors over the age of 50.
It's really sad that yuki from Golden just missed the cut. Hope things works out for the best for her.
Hope this answers all your Curiousness.
As far as surveillance camera on the property. LE with search warrant have the right to go over the server recorded footage which keep for long period of time, they will identify the people and if they found any illegal activity occured, they can use it for prosecution.So best practice for a business in this line of work (or even a gaming room) would be to store the footage remotely on a cloud server, preferably to a country like the Netherlands that's pretty reluctant to comply with warrants or requests from US law enforcement, and encrypt it with a password (my understanding is that revealing a password can be considered self-incrimination and is covered under the fifth amendment)?
FleshPrince
03-18-19, 20:00
My theory is this: I believe careful planning goes into each raid. In other works, it is likely the prosecutor's office, through a weeks/months-long investigation, has built up a sufficient amount of evidence to make a charge and conduct a raid against a particular AMP business. I can think of at least four previous raids done over the past couple years where extensive collection of evidence was conducted prior to actually making the raids.I agree with your theory. But that means that CHM was left out of the evidence gathering phase of the project. Either that or each time that undercover went in to CHM, only legit services were offered so no evidence of illegal activity was observed. Is that likely? I am still scratching my head on this one.
FleshPrince
03-18-19, 20:15
Maybe CHM has a legit massage license and girls there also are legit in that field, so therefore doing a raid on the presumptions on human traffic activities would have difficult in proving since all persons at that establishment are registered in Hawaii business agency would be difficult to prove in court and probably thrown out unless there are solid evidence to prove otherwise.
I'm sure HPD or LE doing the raids would avoid having this occur which will threaten any more Federal funding or the Feds asking for refund if it was thrown out of court which has happened in the past. So HPD would not take that risk again because the Feds can ask the judge to triple the reimbursements on the grounds of gross negligence on part of HPD. Just my two cents, so maybe it is safer to visit a legit massage establishment for now.I think one of the ways that le gathers evidence is for undercover to make appointments or walk in to a place and actually partakes in the illegal activity. That is why some mamas check I'd's. Not sure if that helps though. I would think le has that covered going in to the session. Theyre not that stupid to be stopped at the door I would think.
So it wouldn't matter if the business had a legit massage license because it would not stop uc from doing its thing. Thats my theory anyway.
WarriorForLife
03-18-19, 20:48
Yes LE will have hard time to veiw the contents if the server is in the foreign country that is unfriendly with the US. But if the server is in the US. Then LE will have an easy way to go to the judge to supeana the recorded contents for the grand jury even if is password protected.
So best practice for a business in this line of work (or even a gaming room) would be to store the footage remotely on a cloud server, preferably to a country like the Netherlands that's pretty reluctant to comply with warrants or requests from US law enforcement, and encrypt it with a password (my understanding is that revealing a password can be considered self-incrimination and is covered under the fifth amendment)?
Incogfilipino
03-18-19, 23:01
We just need to legalize it already. I don't smoke pakalolo but they should legalize that too. It shouldn't be a crime to get a nut off, just it shouldn't be a crime to smoke a joint. I hate these politicians, somehow it makes sense to go after girls and mongers but they don't do shit to help homeless.
Idusixtyning
03-19-19, 01:54
So, multiple massage parlors were hit under the cover of human trafficking. Yet, how many have been busted for actually trafficking women? I've not heard one raid in Hawaii where someone was there without their consent. How long are cops and politicians going to use this bullshit of human trafficking for justification to raid these places?Perhaps the ownership model of these businesses should be changed. What if each business were organized and run as a cooperative of the providers with each having an equal share of the expenses and profit. Might be more difficult to proceed to trial or successfully convict them with sex trafficking.
Maybe CHM has a legit massage license and girls there also are legit in that field, so therefore doing a raid on the presumptions on human traffic activities would have difficult in proving since all persons at that establishment are registered in Hawaii business agency would be difficult to prove in court and probably thrown out unless there are solid evidence to prove otherwise.
I'm sure HPD or LE doing the raids would avoid having this occur which will threaten any more Federal funding or the Feds asking for refund if it was thrown out of court which has happened in the past. So HPD would not take that risk again because the Feds can ask the judge to triple the reimbursements on the grounds of gross negligence on part of HPD. Just my two cents, so maybe it is safer to visit a legit massage establishment for now.CHM did have a legit massage license (MAE) until June 2018 when it was forfeited. That likely means they simply failed to renew the license.
https://pvl.ehawaii.gov/pvlsearch/info/MAE-2072-0
BTW, Kison also had a legit license until they let it expire in June 2018.
As for other AMPs, keep in mind, if an AMP has table showers, it doesn't have a legit massage license.
Anyone know if the parlor Kraft was busted at is up and running there?
Might be me but it just seems like over here its like water running over a ducks back.
MoonOfJamaica
03-19-19, 18:42
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/91-year-old-prostitution-bust
Don't want to scare you guys but this is too impressive arrest news.
- A 91-year-old man was among a group of 18 men arrested in a prostitution sting in a suburban Los Angeles city.
Police in Pomona, California conducted a seven hour sting operation on Friday night. The city's Major Crimes Task Force used undercover female police officers to pose as prostitutes. After the men pulled over their vehicles and negotiated deals to buy sex they were arrested.
Whoa, der. That 91 year old is still driving and still "driving" the stiffy into pussies and mouths, LOL. Impressive.
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/91-year-old-prostitution-bust
Don't want to scare you guys but this is too impressive arrest news.
- A 91-year-old man was among a group of 18 men arrested in a prostitution sting in a suburban Los Angeles city.
Police in Pomona, California conducted a seven hour sting operation on Friday night. The city's Major Crimes Task Force used undercover female police officers to pose as prostitutes. After the men pulled over their vehicles and negotiated deals to buy sex they were arrested.
Whoa, der. That 91 year old is still driving and still "driving" the stiffy into pussies and mouths, LOL. Impressive.Hey, that 91 year old grandpa needs a medal not some citation and fine from the cops for "fulfilling his obligation to womankind". Most guys his age are already "Makule" and can't "rise" to the occasion. However, as opportunity arises from this media coverage, I hope he gets a promoter and become a leading advocate for some popular or not so popular (ED) Erectile Disfunctional product. Bet he would make some good money. The he can flip his middle finger to the cops while laughing all the way to the bank.
FleshPrince
03-21-19, 09:09
Hey, that 91 year old grandpa needs a medal not some citation and fine from the cops for "fulfilling his obligation to womankind". Most guys his age are already "Makule" and can't "rise" to the occasion. However, as opportunity arises from this media coverage, I hope he gets a promoter and become a leading advocate for some popular or not so popular (ED) Erectile Disfunctional product. Bet he would make some good money. The he can flip his middle finger to the cops while laughing all the way to the bank.100% approve this post. I hope all of us can be so lucky to have the drive and ability to enjoy the finer things in life at such a ripe age.
StickyWeed
03-22-19, 21:08
Just got a text out of the blue from an ATF that told me she's working at a new spot. She worked at an AMP that recently shut down. Haven't been in a while so I'm very tempted to break my fast. Highly suspicious though.
Anyone else have this happen to himself? Thoughts?
WhisperingEye
03-23-19, 01:25
Just got a text out of the blue from an ATF that told me she's working at a new spot. She worked at an AMP that recently shut down. Haven't been in a while so I'm very tempted to break my fast. Highly suspicious though.
Anyone else have this happen to himself? Thoughts?I would think that's entrapment if you think it's a set up. They can't tell you come pay me for fun and then bust you. But can you tell me which house this is so I can avoid? LOL.
Just got a text out of the blue from an ATF that told me she's working at a new spot. She worked at an AMP that recently shut down. Haven't been in a while so I'm very tempted to break my fast. Highly suspicious though.
Anyone else have this happen to himself? Thoughts?Personally I would be freakin' happy if my atf contacted me!! Seriously, if I hadn't seen her in awhile I would definitely check it out.
RoadRally2
03-23-19, 02:40
Just got a text out of the blue from an ATF that told me she's working at a new spot. She worked at an AMP that recently shut down. Haven't been in a while so I'm very tempted to break my fast. Highly suspicious though.
Anyone else have this happen to himself? Thoughts?What's illegal is making a deal to pay for sex for money. If you meet up with your atf, bang her like you usually would and then give her a gift because you're kind and she's a nice girl after, perfectly legal.
ExoticKnight
03-23-19, 03:48
Just got a text out of the blue from an ATF that told me she's working at a new spot. She worked at an AMP that recently shut down. Haven't been in a while so I'm very tempted to break my fast. Highly suspicious though.
Anyone else have this happen to himself? Thoughts?If she's your ATF and she text you. It means that she needs your business to follow her and provide for her. She got to keep that and all of her regulars to keep coming back to her. Or she'll lose money. Got to stay productive. We think we ALL special to her. But to them,. It's all business.
StickyWeed
03-23-19, 03:52
Personally I would be freakin' happy if my atf contacted me!! Seriously, if I hadn't seen her in awhile I would definitely check it out.LOL you're just fucking horny.
StickyWeed
03-23-19, 03:54
I would think that's entrapment if you think it's a set up. They can't tell you come pay me for fun and then bust you. But can you tell me which house this is so I can avoid? LOL.Yeah I'm wondering if they got her phone and looked up all the numbers. She used to have an 808 number, but now its a weird mainland number, so it's even more suspicious.
StickyWeed
03-23-19, 03:55
What's illegal is making a deal to pay for sex for money. If you meet up with your atf, bang her like you usually would and then give her a gift because you're kind and she's a nice girl after, perfectly legal.Interesting take on it. But if she's working at a massage parlor, you always pay the house fee first, so cops may be able to get you on that. Your scenario might work if she's working from her own house.
Yeah I'm wondering if they got her phone and looked up all the numbers. She used to have an 808 number, but now its a weird mainland number, so it's even more suspicious.Bro trust your spidey senses. Mine are telling me to stand the f down. Don't give these ass wipes any easy ammo. I'm super pissed about this whole situation. If it's suspect then don't do it. Think with the right head until we know whts really going on.
Public service. Fella get text from atf, just call her back to confirm. No pick up, no go. My atf all of them pick up when I call.
Easy, no make um hard, LOL.
Just got a text out of the blue from an ATF that told me she's working at a new spot. She worked at an AMP that recently shut down. Haven't been in a while so I'm very tempted to break my fast. Highly suspicious though.
Anyone else have this happen to himself? Thoughts?
MoonOfJamaica
03-23-19, 19:16
Bro trust your spidey senses. Mine are telling me to stand the f down. Don't give these ass wipes any easy ammo. I'm super pissed about this whole situation. If it's suspect then don't do it. Think with the right head until we know whts really going on.Here I found I was not the only one who had got starange sudden msg from her. (Superstar from recently raided / shut down place).
Interesting thing is that I was not into that popular. To me she was just a cute kind person, not hot sexy star. And I didn't ask her phone number either. Others from same place has mine long time ago.
And funny that her coworkers tried to contact with her but all failed. WTF. ?
So top pro asked her coworker to give my number to her and she random txted me cause she guess I would thank her msg then stop talking to any of coworkers? WTF.
Nope, no body ever got sent to jail for paying house fee.
Interesting take on it. But if she's working at a massage parlor, you always pay the house fee first, so cops may be able to get you on that. Your scenario might work if she's working from her own house.
Bro trust your spidey senses. Mine are telling me to stand the f down. Don't give these ass wipes any easy ammo. I'm super pissed about this whole situation. If it's suspect then don't do it. Think with the right head until we know whts really going on.I just got a weird text message from some Queen Spa by someone I don't recognized saying "I haven't seen you for a long time" and to stop by for a massage. Replied asking if this person is some law enforcement agent looking for entrapment and that I don't know you or what you do. But do have legit massage for relief from back muscle pain. Never been to this place or meet up with a "mxxxi", most likely some undercover cop?
Yeah I'm wondering if they got her phone and looked up all the numbers. She used to have an 808 number, but now its a weird mainland number, so it's even more suspicious.If I'm thinking who your talking about is correct, if it's a Miami number then no worries that's where she also lives.
Only one of the girls from that joint that closed is still working. Plus yalls favorite Texan even when retire I heard, maybe she rode off into the sunset with the dude who someone spotted her with on the Hawaiian Air flight when she got her boob job.
Who knows if this girl we're talking about going to retire too. She was talking about it and I got the vibe this weekend that this was her last hurrah and she needs a new source of income LOL. Had to see her a few times to get the last taste of some of her juice if it is the last go!
Simple, just call the number. No recognizable, no go.
I just got a weird text message from some Queen Spa by someone I don't recognized saying "I haven't seen you for a long time" and to stop by for a massage. Replied asking if this person is some law enforcement agent looking for entrapment and that I don't know you or what you do. But do have legit massage for relief from back muscle pain. Never been to this place or meet up with a "mxxxi", most likely some undercover cop?
JoeVisitor
03-26-19, 18:22
The Martin County situation is getting the sheriff's department more than they bargained for. The article starts off with lots of other issues in Martin county but ends up taking it full circle to the Orchids of Asia case. Interesting read.
And while the Orchids of Asia case is just weeks old, it is already rife with problems. Sandipkumar Patel was arrested.
By the Martin County Sheriff's Office, and his mug shot was shared with the media after officials claimed that he.
Patronized one of the massage parlors that were raided. The agency said he parked his blue four-door Porsche.
Outside the establishment. Patel doesn't own a Porsche. The car belonged to a woman with the same last name.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kzdvb9/a-florida-woman-faced-ten-years-for-meth-she-said-was-just-a-rock
FleshPrince
03-26-19, 19:21
I just got a weird text message from some Queen Spa by someone I don't recognized saying "I haven't seen you for a long time" and to stop by for a massage. Replied asking if this person is some law enforcement agent looking for entrapment and that I don't know you or what you do. But do have legit massage for relief from back muscle pain. Never been to this place or meet up with a "mxxxi", most likely some undercover cop?Thats f'd up. If that IS LE, how dumb do they think we are? Who in his right mind would respond to a text like that in a way that implicates himself? Be careful guys. Remember that Xian witch said in her tv interview that LE should begin to go after the johns because they are the ones driving the businesses at massage parlors.
On another note, it was confirmed that girls' phones were kept overnight in some cases so who knows what LE did with them. Also, remember that only two of the eight women indicted have been arrested so its a matter of time before another raid is conducted. Stay smart.
MoonOfJamaica
03-26-19, 20:07
Thats f'd up. If that IS LE, how dumb do they think we are? Who in his right mind would respond to a text like that in a way that implicates himself? Be careful guys. Remember that Xian witch said in her tv interview that LE should begin to go after the johns because they are the ones driving the businesses at massage parlors.
On another note, it was confirmed that girls' phones were kept overnight in some cases so who knows what LE did with them. Also, remember that only two of the eight women indicted have been arrested so its a matter of time before another raid is conducted. Stay smart.After two days yuki and one mama were arrested, one more woman got arrested. Just not in news.
The third one arrested had been arrested last year too. Last year when yokohana, pink orchid owner, 3 women got raided, she was one of those three and last week got raided again.
Shirokiya59
03-26-19, 21:35
Thats f'd up. If that IS LE, how dumb do they think we are? Who in his right mind would respond to a text like that in a way that implicates himself? Be careful guys. Remember that Xian witch said in her tv interview that LE should begin to go after the johns because they are the ones driving the businesses at massage parlors.
On another note, it was confirmed that girls' phones were kept overnight in some cases so who knows what LE did with them. Also, remember that only two of the eight women indicted have been arrested so its a matter of time before another raid is conducted. Stay smart.I agree. Xian is an idiot. But I'm staying away from the store front MP's for now.
Hiro Mlasfha.
StickyWeed
03-27-19, 01:22
If I'm thinking who your talking about is correct, if it's a Miami number then no worries that's where she also lives.
Only one of the girls from that joint that closed is still working. Plus yalls favorite Texan even when retire I heard, maybe she rode off into the sunset with the dude who someone spotted her with on the Hawaiian Air flight when she got her boob job.
Who knows if this girl we're talking about going to retire too. She was talking about it and I got the vibe this weekend that this was her last hurrah and she needs a new source of income LOL. Had to see her a few times to get the last taste of some of her juice if it is the last go!Yeah you're correct, that's the girl. I remember her telling me where's she from. So not too long after I made my post I checked the area code and it's a Florida number.
Man I hope she doesn't retire soon. She was definitely one my favorites. Man. I wish she would do an outcall. I don't want to take any chances for the next few months.
DrMajikLuv96
03-27-19, 20:24
After two days yuki and one mama were arrested, one more woman got arrested. Just not in news.
The third one arrested had been arrested last year too. Last year when yokohana, pink orchid owner, 3 women got raided, she was one of those three and last week got raided again.Being arrested means nothing if your not in jail or deported. Look at all the criminals on the streets after having like 15 felonies and still committing more.
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