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At the end of your statement you say you are tired of non-working leaches who feel they have a right to free health care. You also say that workers at jobs without insurance benefits should get "real" jobs.Exactly, Nobody is forced to work at Wal-Mart. Get an education and work in a profession that gives you those benefits. My total compensation package includes health insurance. I would not expect the same compensation for a job that did not require skills obtained from a good secondary education.
So, the poor? F*ck them. Get a job.
The children of the poor? F*ck them too.
The workers without medical insurance? Quit your jobs and get another one.Ohh the POOR! We need to help the poor! Like I said, I give alot of money to charities. I choose to give the money. Increasing taxes and giving the "poor" more welfare and free health care is not the answer.
The children, in every state, have access to health care via the public school system. It has been that way since I was young. I actually used it but my dad worked hard and his business took off. He was then able to afford to purchase private insurance.
Attention! Any kids on this site need to pay attention. Do good at school, go get a degree and work real hard at whatever job you eventually get. If you don't you will end up with a crappy job that does not have health care as part of your compensation. And worse of all. You will become a liberal democratic leach on society.
People who lose their jobs? Too bad, COBRA is better than nothing. (If you remember, my friend pays $1, 100 a month for insurance, he gets $1, 700 a month in unemployment. That leaves him with $600 a month. The insurance is a high deductible policy that pays nothing until after he pays $6, 000 in the year out of pocket. Consequently he has little to live on and cannot afford to go to the Dr. Because he pays so much for insurance. Make sense?)That sucks! I understand, I make $8k/month and loose about $2k to taxes. If I had extra money I would give to a fund that would help your friend but instead I am FORCED to give it to the government who in turn gives it to crackheads that have not worked a day in their lives. I would even agree to government backed health insurance to people who lost their jobs and who worked in professional positions where health insurance was part of their compensation. I would agree to that as soon as welfare is funded 100% by the state the lazy slob/crackhead lives in. Oh, BTW, how did he loose his job? Could it be because of Fanny, Freddy and Barney? All those home loans to the "poor" broke the financial backbone of this country. These banks were forced to write these high risk loans under threat from congress. The banks stopped lending to businesses which stifled growth and here we are.
Your comment shows a lack of respect for the American worker. You complain about non-workers and then tell workers to get real jobs. Do you not think that if jobs with better pay and benefits were more available people would take them? However, that's not the main point. I believe all Americans should have access to health care. You don't even believe that workers are entitled. You always need people to work in jobs that don't always provide health care. To deny them insurance or a decent living wage is saying that there will always be an underclass. This is not the middle ages.What law is out there that prevents people from accessing healthcare?
What clause of the constitution makes healthcare or health insurance a right?
Why should any company be forced to pay for healthcare?
In a capitalist society the rate of pay is based on what the market will allow for compensation. Why would we ever have a minimum wage?
If Wal-Mart could not get anyone to work there, I am sure they would increase wages and offer health insurance. They may very well become less
Competative and close a bunch of stores. The end result could be less jobs.
True, not the middle ages. In the middle ages a peasant would always be a peasant. In this country, but not in all, you can choose to be a "peasant" or you can choose to get educated and build a company like Wal-Mart.
Cost saving. Many people without insurance avoid doctors and they often end up at the ER. If they can't pay, you do and at a greater cost than if they had seen a doctor earlier.
As far as non-workers, I am tired of hearing about this.There is no reason to avoid doctors, there are plenty that take good old fashioned cash. I have already sited my friend with the bad back. We all work to get things to help us live. You are tired of hearing about non-workers! Why? Could it be that there is absolutely no defense to the fact that those who work pay extra for those who don't?
So they can get a job, save their money or get BCBS for less than $2k/year.
This is all many on the right care about. It's always about "those" people who are using MY tax dollars. There have always been and always will be people who abuse the system. It does not mean that you forget about the majority of people who don't.[/QUOTE]We care about cost controls. Bush not included, Clinton may have done a better job because he was taken to task by the republican congress who would let the government shutdown before they would sign off on his budget.
All we conservatives are saying is that we don't want to pay for those have chosen to be a leach. I give to charities that support people that are in a bad position because they are legitmately handicapped. I think it is shameful that there are scumbags out there that could get a job and get off welfare but don't. Why don't you hate them? Are you one of them? They take away from the people that are poor because of an infliction. There is no law against paying more taxes than you are required to pay. So go ahead pay extra. Just, check the box that allows you to apply your refund to next years taxes.
I feel private organizations handle the money much more effeciently than the government so I do my part that way.
Your words
"Just what do you think the lazy a-holes that don't work and collect welfare checks contribute to this country? Oh yeah, they contribute to our national debt. "
Number 1 there is no more welfare I guess that slipped your conservative mind oh and BTW it was a democrat that did away w/welfare oh and you been ranting for a week with nothing making sense lmao
Your words again
"The democratic congress approved all war spending. You are anti-war but I am against being attacked by radicals, foriegn and domestic. "
Oh yea it was a republican congress that passed the bill for the oil war!
Get your facts straight!Why don't you provide a link to prove you are correct ? Cause you are wrong!
It was called welfare reform and was jammed down Clinton's throat by a REPUBLICAN congress. Welfare is alive and well ...it is now called TANF.
http://www.welfareinfo.org/
Eligibility Requirements for State Welfare Program Eligibility for a Welfare program depends on numerous factors. Eligibility is determined using gross and net income, size of the family, and any crisis situation such as medical emergencies, pregnancy, homelessness or unemployment. A case worker is assigned to those applying for aid. They will gather all the necessary information to determine the amount and type of benefits that an individual is eligible for.
The Federal government provides assistance through TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families). TANF is a grant given to each state to run their own welfare program. To help overcome the former problem of unemployment due to reliance on the welfare system, the TANF grant requires that all recipients of welfare aid must find work within two years of receiving aid, including single parents who are required to work at least 30 hours per week opposed to 35 or 55 required by two parent families. Failure to comply with work requirements could result in loss of benefits.
The type and amount of aid available to individuals and dependent children varies from state to state. When the Federal Government gave control back to the states there was no longer one source and one set of requirements. Most states offer basic aid such as health care, food stamps, child care assistance, unemployment, cash aid, and housing assistance.
The war ...
It was a republican congress by a very slim margin. A majority of the democrats voted for the war and subsequent spending.
Get your facts straight. I said "democratic" congress approved the war spending not the war itself. Republicans lost the senate in 2004 and then the house in 2006. So don't feed me a bunch a crap like the Repubs were in control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidents_and_control_of_congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002 in conjunction with the Administration's proposals[2][7], H.J.Res. 114 passed the House of Representatives on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 p.m. EDT on October 10, 2002 by a vote of 296-133,[8] and passed the Senate after midnight early Friday morning at 12:50 a.m. EDT on October 11, 2002 by a vote of 77-23.[9] It was signed into law as Pub.L. 107-243 by President Bush on October 16, 2002.
Now take your bong and the Washington Compost and get the f*** out of my country. Get your facts straight.
Of course you don't give a shit because you're covered. You have a right to be because you have a "real" job. (I wonder if that's what a Wal-Mart manager says to the uninsured workers there) I am tired of these arguments because you just don't understand and while we argue people are suffering, DYING or losing everything they have. You superior people are the problem along with the insurance companies and their lobbyists. In the end you'll all get what you deserve.Of course your tired cause you have no case. Yes we need blue collar workers. I was one for many years but got my act together, went back to school and made my life better. The federal government has no business trying to take over health care. They will screw it up. I have said several times that I would favor government backed insurance where the government pays part or all of the premiums. I just don't want them to be the insurance company. We already have that Medicare and Medicaid. Oh, and guess what you don't even have to be a citizen to access that, TANF (welfare), food stamps.
Did you know they sell books and give courses in foreign countries that tell people what state to live in that would provide the best benefits? There is alot of welfare fraud and medicare/medicaid fraud. Did you not see Obamalbad's speach. BILLIONS every year, more than enough to pay for those who really need it or really deserve it.
How about busting all the abusers? How about limiting lawsuits. There are ways to recuce health care costs. Giving it away for free and making others pay for it is not the way.
I am against federal funding for roads, education, energy conservation, unions, ACORN, welfare, medicaid, medicare and just about anything else that can be done by the state.
If buddy gets real ill, he is screwed. That is his choice. Get your head out of the sand. Go to Bangladesh and see how the poor are treated there. Compare that to here. Go to Europe and visit the slums. Ask them when the last time they were able to see a doctor. Those with money go to a private doctor or bribe somebody to get that Sonogram sooner rather than later.
My head is very much out of the sand and out of my @ss. What happened to all to the cheap clinics? They are all gone ... Why? Most states require doctors and medical groups to have a minimum amount of insurance in order to maintain their license to practice. The insurance became so costly that all the clinics have been shut down. The Doctors simply could not afford it anymore.
HEALTHCARE IS DEAD and OBAMALAD will be a ONE TERM Muslim Commi poor excuse for a president. Go here then put your head in the sand and cry.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-19/hes-done-everything-wrong/
Oh to that dimwit Jayson, you pick 2 points to argue and you got both wrong. Why don't you at least write a respectable reply like Imadick?
I may not agree with him but at least he provides some good points and makes me have to think. All you do is make me have to take a crap... like I ate something bad.
I did notice nobody can challenge why somebody working at Wal-Mart does not purchase insurance on their own. It is a big farce that it is over priced unless you work for a big company. In PA, $2500 for a couple in their sixties.
I bet these poor working class Americans all have a wide screen TV and a PS3 but they cant afford insurance. Bullshit! They want it for free just like Jayson and ImaIdiot. Healthcare is DEAD. Ha Ha Ha!!
LordBlackAdder
03-12-10, 18:34
I must say that between my wife and kids we have had at least 4 surguries. One being my Vascectomy. You not a man until you have had lanacain injected into you testicle.
Anyways, for proceedure when we made the arrangements they told me the total cost and how much my insurance covered. Most insurance companies have pre-arranged pricing established with the larger hospital owners (companies that own hundreds of hospitals).
So you are right, it is price fixing at its finest. Maybe they should do it like auto coverage ... give you a check for $15K and say "do ur best pocket the rest". The problem is you can provide evidence that your bumper has been replaced but it might be hard to prove a doctor actually did a proceedure rather than do nothing and split the cash with you.
So that is why the price is fixed, fraud and greed.
Why is the cost so high? I know you know why LB...
It is because of the millions of people who pay NOTHING.
So fine, give us government health care. Everybody pays $5000/year everything covered. Non lazy working people can buy their own and get tax credit of $5000.
We all pay the same, that is about as socialist I will ever get.
They can have price fixing and charge wahtever they want since the demand for most health services is not going to go up or down dramatically if the price goes up or down. You are not going to decide to have a heart surgery this week simply because the doctor is running a special, likewise if you need it to live you are not going to decide "I can't afford it'. But if you look at medical procedures that are not "needed" the doctors have to compete on price, if you want lasik surgery there are plenty of doctors who will tell you they offer the best value for money to get your business (since most insurance will not cover it you pay out of your pocket), same thing if the girl you are seeing wants bigger tits or you want a hair transplant to get rid of a bald head.
They also do charge more to people w/o insurance. Dont recall what the procedure was but a friend had something done who had insuarnce and he had to pay $500 of a $1700 bill (whihc is all the insurance company said they would pay the hospital), his mother who did not have insuranee had the same thing done a few months later and was sent a bill for just shy of $3K. Since she knew what her son had paid she called up and complained and was told they had a deal with the insrance company that they would provide said service to them for $1700, so they got a discount she who ahd to pay for it all did not.
LordBlackAdder
03-12-10, 18:38
Ms. Palin, making an appearance in Canada, told her audience that went she was a kid, her family would go across the border to get healthcare in Canada. Her and her family were one of those people that many of her supporters despise. You know, sneaking across the border and stealing benefits they were not entitled to. Kind of odd isn't it? Especially since our health care system is so much better. Why would someone break the law to get inferior benefits? I'll figure it out. You betcha.
Canada did not get full governmnet paid health care until the mid 1980s. So when she went there as a child in the 1960s or 1970s she most likely had her parents pay the doctor, just as the many Canadians who now come here do.
LordBlackAdder
03-12-10, 18:42
Jobless ‘must be available for prostitution’, say new guidelines
In an unprecedented crackdown on unnecessary benefits claimants, all women currently claiming jobseeker’s allowance will soon have to demonstrate that they’re available to ‘turn tricks’ if they wish to continue receiving benefits.
‘The state should be there for those who have no other income’ said the work and pensions secretary. ‘It’s not there for people who can’t be bothered to stand under a lamppost and then give head in the back of a transit van.’
Women’s groups were outraged by the move, stating that the flood of ‘unskilled slappers’ entering the market would put professional ho’s out of business. ‘Some of them could even end up on the streets’, said a spokeswoman.
Wonder if this would help if they did thus here? I think in Germany a court declared they could not make unemployed women choose bewteen working in legal brothels or neing on the dole.
LordBlackAdder
03-12-10, 18:44
A 15-year-old French schoolboy sprayed a teacher with teargas after she described al-Qaeda as a “terrorist group”, she told reporters on Tuesday as prosecutors began their investigation.
“I had just explained that the attacks on September 11, 2001 were carried out by the terrorist organisation al-Qaeda, as is written in the text book,” said the history teacher, speaking on condition of anonymity.
“He stood up and declared that al-Qaeda is not terrorist and that neither is the Taliban,” she said, adding that the boy had then pulled out a spray can and doused her and a teaching assistant with teargas.
Neither victim was seriously hurt.
Al-Qaeda, a global organisation under the nominal leadership of Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden, boasted of carrying out the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington.
The attacks – in which hijacked airliners were crashed into the World Trade Centre, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania – killed just under 3 000 people, the vast majority of them American civilians.
Both staff members, who work in the small school in the central French village of Largentiere, made a criminal complaint against the boy, state prosecutors confirmed.
A youth court will be convened in the nearby town of Privas on March 16 to hear the case.
I am guessing the youth was a Muslim immigrant.
LordBlackAdder
03-12-10, 18:53
Remmeber no matter how bad things get for you somewhere out there is some poor guy named Mr. Pelosi who has to spend the every night with this.
I kinda hate to jump into this argument, but Nationalized Heathcare as envisioned currently will not work. It will lead to rationing of medical care, and it will lead to unnecessary deaths.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574358233780260914.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-7812-DC-SCOTUS-Examiner~y2009m7d27-Obama-healthcare-plan-would-take-away-5-freedoms-CNN-says-Affordable-plans-to-end-taxes-to-rise
http://www.openmarket.org/2009/11/30/would-obamacare-reduce-innovation-health-care-bill-would-cause-preventable-deaths/
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html
But, guess what? We already have a national healthcare system in this country, it's called the county hospital system. Anyone who arrives at a hospital for treatment is required by law to be treated regardless of whether or not they have insurance or the ability to pay.
http://www.emtala.com/law/index.html
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00001395--dd000-.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
Further, this truly is a State's issue, which the Federal Government has no right under the Constitution to get involved in. Nowhere in the Constitution is there a provision for healthcare. Nowhere in the Bill of Rights is there a "Right" to healthcare. (I know some are going to argue the "general welfare" argument, but that relates to national defense not health.)
Our Constitution is a document of limitations. It doesn't say what the government has to do, it says what the Government cannot do. It limits the power of the Federal Government to those powers vested in it by the Constitution. It further states that all powers not explicitly granted to the Federal Government are left to the States. (10th Amendment)
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
The best way(s) to get healthcare costs (since that is one of the arguments used for National Healthcare) under control, is to get the Government OUT of Healthcare. Examples:
One of the reasons medical equipment is so expensive, is that for many people, it is paid for by the Government. (Medicare, Medicaid, and the various current programs, which already cover a significant number of people) Budgeting at the Federal Level (and many States) is done by baseline. All budgets go up at a set rate every year, and are then also adjusted for the rate of inflation. So, if, for example, this year, Medicare will pay - let's just say - $600 for a wheelchair, how much do you think a wheelchair vendor is going to sell that wheelchair for? At least $600, because they know they are going to get paid. Now, next year, with baseline budgeting, and inflation, the same chair will go up in price, because they know they are going to get paid again. So, if government weren't involved as they are in healthcare, and actual market-based forces were at work, then there would be competition among the wheelchair vendors, and guess what - wheelchairs wouldn't cost $600 anymore.
Tort reform would be another great way to lower costs. As it is now, if a doctor makes even a small mistake, a person can sue them for insane amounts of money. A Doctor has to carry malpractice insurance to cover these costs, which just up every year due to the number of lawsuits filed every year. If a maximum dollar amount was set as to how much a person could win in a lawsuit that was fair and reasonable, there would be less instability in the cost of malpractice insurance, and rates Doctors charge would go down. Remember the old lady who sued McDonalds because the coffee she bought was hot, and it burned her wrinkled vag when she spilled it? Remember the insane amount of money she won? $2.86 million dollars. A judge reduced it to $640,000. Sure, the coffee was hot, maybe too hot, but $2.86 million dollars hot? With a "anyone can anyone for anything" attitude, and out of control damage awards, insurance for all businesses is too high. Reducing the amount of punitive damage awards would reduce costs. (Actual compensatory damages need not to have a cap, since a person does deserve to be made whole when damaged.) Also, the concept of "Loser Pays" needs to be instituted. "Loser Pays" would require the loser of a lawsuit to pay the winner's legal fees, which would discourage frivolous lawsuits even more.
Just some things to think about.
Oh, and this is written by a guy who does not have Health Insurance at all, but who also doesn't want the Government involved in his Health Care, or his life anymore than it is already.
Wallie
I kinda hate to jump into this argument, but Nationalized Heathcare as envisioned currently will not work. It will lead to rationing of medical care, and it will lead to unnecessary deaths.
Oh, and this is written by a guy who does not have Health Insurance at all, but who also doesn't want the Government involved in his Health Care, or his life anymore than it is already.
WallieToo late your in! It is hard to resist replying to this insanity.
All great points. What people don't understand is that the government can't run a program like this. If it was doable without losing money, private industry would have done it already or you would see more "not for profit"
Charities. Instead, all the leftys hate the rightys cause of all the religion crap.
Nobody mentions the fact the Catholics, Baptists, Lutnerans and the Methodists will care for anyobe absolutely free of charge and rely on donations to maintain that. If you have insurance or can pay, that is great, but if not they will cover you from physicals to expensive operations. So lets force them perform abortions so that they will close up the hospitals in protest. How will this help the poor?
My problem is that the "takers" in society want it for free. Eventually you have more "takers" than "givers" and then the "takers" demand that the "givers" pay more. Eventually. You run out of other people's money.
Somebody pointed to Denmark as an example. Since they imposed these "liberal" policies every single Dane owes around $85 K towards that countries national debt. Some idiots look at the unemployment rate, and say look how good it is working and they have so much government benefits. What they don't understand that 1 out of 3 working people work for the government. It is a recipe for disaster, look at Greece! Sweden, Switzerland and the rest of those nordic commie swinging states will be sure to follow. England and France no longer have the money to lend to them in order to prop up their society. China won't lend to any of them. Greece is begging for money. But no way they say!
With America's debt being the highest of any country we still get the loans from China. That huge debt is spread over our huge population so we are not a high risk. If we have govt. Run HC out national debt will sky rocket, taxes will go to ridiculous levels, more companies will go over seas and small companies will start to go underground so they can pay just a few employees a tax free wage and escape mandatory insurance. The end result is less tax revenues and a higher national debt.
So listenup libs. $2000.00/year is not a bad price for health insurance. Oh, sorry that is pretty bad if you compare it to free! I have stated this over and over but the Left refused to recognize that you actually can purchase insurance on your own, small companies can pay a 3rd party to do their payroll, taxes, HR and benefits services. Guess what? It also allows them to get group pricing for health insurance. Still not good enough cause it aint free!
Why on earth would somebody feel that your employer MUST pay their healthcare costs? This "Employer paid health insurance" all started as a perk for high end employers and way for companies to attract workers with out paying more than the standard wage. They would offer these alternative types of compensation to stay competitive. It is insane that just because it became common place that it should now be the law!
So thanks Wallie for that refreshing post. Too bad most libs are not educated or open minded enough to understand it. I am all for free brain transplants for all liberals. Where can I donate to that fund?
Tort reform would be another great way to lower costs. As it is now, if a doctor makes even a small mistake, a person can sue them for insane amounts of money. A Doctor has to carry malpractice insurance to cover these costs, which just up every year due to the number of lawsuits filed every year. If a maximum dollar amount was set as to how much a person could win in a lawsuit that was fair and reasonable, there would be less instability in the cost of malpractice insurance, and rates Doctors charge would go down. Wallie
Wallie,
How many people do you know who have won a mal practice lawsuit? In reality very few prevail. It's the ones like the hot coffee that get the headlines.
What's a fair price to pay for a man who walked into a hospital and walked out on crutches and remains on crutches to this day 16 years later. Who now lives on SSI instead of the 48k salary he previously made, in 1994.
Who basically lives in pain everyday, who has to hire kids to mow his lawn,shovel snow. Who has to rely on others to tie his f**cking shoes.
Tort reform is a fraking joke, if the med community policed themselves and their insurance companies fairly evaluated claims instead of dragging them out for years you'd see a big drop in rates.
If the insurance company had fairly evaluated MY claim they would have saved the over 1 million they paid their attys in defending a indefensible claim.
Oh, and I can only guess what you think of my attys who EARNED $400,000+.
Tort reform would be another great way to lower costs. As it is now, if a doctor makes even a small mistake, a person can sue them for insane amounts of money. A Doctor has to carry malpractice insurance to cover these costs, which just up every year due to the number of lawsuits filed every year. If a maximum dollar amount was set as to how much a person could win in a lawsuit that was fair and reasonable, there would be less instability in the cost of malpractice insurance, and rates Doctors charge would go down. Wallie
Wallie,
How many people do you know who have won a mal practice lawsuit? In reality very few prevail. It's the ones like the hot coffee that get the headlines.
What's a fair price to pay for a man who walked into a hospital and walked out on crutches and remains on crutches to this day 16 years later. Who now lives on SSI instead of the 48k salary he previously made, in 1994.
Who basically lives in pain everyday, who has to hire kids to mow his lawn,shovel snow. Who has to rely on others to tie his f**cking shoes.
Tort reform is a fraking joke, if the med community policed themselves and their insurance companies fairly evaluated claims instead of dragging them out for years you'd see a big drop in rates.
If the insurance company had fairly evaluated MY claim they would have saved the over 1 million they paid their attys in defending a indefensible claim.
Oh, and I can only guess what you think of my attys who EARNED $400,000+.
Gansett;
I don't know what happened to you in that case, and, don't take this the wrong way at all, but it doesn't matter. Whatever happened obviously sucked, and I hate to see anyone get shafted, injured, and left hung out to try. Sorry something happened, and glad to hear it all - eventually - worked out for you. Truly I am.
I never said get rid of settlements. What I said was there had to be some kind of limit. I can fully get behind, maybe, a formula where you take a person's expected remaining earning potential, based on their job, past performance, expected raises, etc., multiply that by a reasonable number, add, let's say, 10% more as a further award/damage, and make that the amount they can win. But awards that are given based solely on how sorry a lawyer in a sharkskin suit can get a jury to feel for the victim, making them want to "stick it to the man", and awarding obscene monetary damages based on nothing more than emotion, are not the answer.
I don't have the answers. I'm just a guy that is a Constitutionalist, and knows the answer is never more government. Take a look at any program every started by any government, look at what the expected cost was, and what it really is, and it's obvious the government is incapable of doing anything cheaper than is private enterprise.
Wallie,
How many people do you know who have won a mal practice lawsuit? In reality very few prevail. It's the ones like the hot coffee that get the headlines.
What's a fair price to pay for a man who walked into a hospital and walked out on crutches and remains on crutches to this day 16 years later. Who now lives on SSI instead of the 48k salary he previously made, in 1994.
Who basically lives in pain everyday, who has to hire kids to mow his lawn,shovel snow. Who has to rely on others to tie his f**cking shoes.
Tort reform is a fraking joke, if the med community policed themselves and their insurance companies fairly evaluated claims instead of dragging them out for years you'd see a big drop in rates.
If the insurance company had fairly evaluated MY claim they would have saved the over 1 million they paid their attys in defending a indefensible claim.
Oh, and I can only guess what you think of my attys who EARNED $400,000+.
Bbrenham;
How do I get by without healthcare? The same way I get by without having the government hold my hand in the rest of my life. lol. I try to take care of myself, I go to the doctor when I need to, don't when I don't. I pay for it myself when I do go! I get my teeth taken care of at a local dental school, after all, all these budding DDSs need to learn on someone! I take vitamins, I'm aware of my health in general, and generally know how I'm supposed to feel, so, if I need a doctor, I go, if not, I don't.
You know, the same way my grandparents did, and millions of other people do, and have done for a long time!
Thanks for the concern.
Wallie
LordBlackAdder
03-26-10, 00:18
You were wrong.
Who knows someday the President of the USA can describe his country as Canadian Prime Minister Harper once described his, while talking to a group of Americans:
First, facts about Canada. Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it. Canadians make no connection between the fact that they are a Northern European welfare state and the fact that we have very low economic growth, a standard of living substantially lower than yours, a massive brain drain of young professionals to your country, and double the unemployment rate of the United States.
In terms of the unemployed, of which we have over a million-and-a-half, don't feel particularly bad for many of these people. They don't feel bad about it themselves, as long as they're receiving generous social assistance and unemployment insurance.
LordBlackAdder
03-26-10, 00:20
Why some companies need the illegal aliens to get work done
LordBlackAdder
03-26-10, 00:28
Some random pics.
We had eight years of Bush and Cheney, Now you get mad!?
You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and
appointed a President.
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
( my thoughts, I keep hearing right wing hypocrites! Saying, oh wait, this will be a tax burden, on our kids ,and grandkids! Where was you, when all this money was being wasted, on an illegal war, you sure was not screaming out then!!(oh please think of the children!!)
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
(My thoughts, I keep hearing you right wing hypocrites cretins saying, oh we love our soldiers and we should take care of them as they are protecting our freedoms! Damn them when the bill in congress shows up allocating more federal funds too take care of out wounded soldiers coming back for your unjust illegal wars. What did the right wing so call patriotic hypocritens do? Every Republican in congress voted against the bill all of the Democrates except 34 or so voted for the bill. And you call us unpatriotic shame on you!!!!
You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.
You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.
You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.
White Devil
04-10-10, 20:18
He's from Kenya, but don't take my word for it....listen to Michelle Obama say it.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=136769
Article 2, section 1...US Constitution
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1
The interloper may very well be tossed out.
WD
Matt Man II
04-11-10, 00:59
Seems this rant is on a number of websites and not a diesel1 original. Here's some answers to these slanted half truths:
"You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President."
Nope. Al Gore was an idiot who lost the election, was a sore loser, couldn't even carry his own state and, was wasting tax payor money.
"You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy."
Why would I. Energy prices are still going up. Does this mean Obama is now in bed with them?
"You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed."
Lies, all lies. She was less covert that you. This whole story was a crock of crap.
"You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed."
*Not in the least. It has saved countless lives. Had near unanimous support as I recall. And did Obama extend it?
"You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us."
If I recall, the citizens were thankfull that we got that bastard too. No threat? Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people. Now whose side are you on?
"You didn't get mad when we spent over 714 billion (and counting) on said illegal war."
So when is Obama going to stop it? Oh wait, it's chump change compared to what he's blowing on phony pork stimulus packages and bailouts.
"You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq."
This is one big lie.
"You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people."
You got that one right. The bleeding heart liberals should have stayed out of it and maybe the good guys could have got something accomplished.
"You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans."
I wasn't wire tapped, were you?
"You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden."
Maybe we did, maybe we didn't but as far as the record shows, Obama hasn't either.
"You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed."
They've always been there. This is called government run health care. Of course much of the Walter Reed problems began to be fixed under the Bush administration
"You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown."
Yes, I remember when Bush created Katrina and made it hit New Orleans. I also remember when Bush told everyone to stay in that Democrat run state whose leaders were clueless. Where's Mayor 'Noggin' when we need him?
"You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich."
You mean the ones that really support the country with the taxes they already pay in addition to employment etc. You're correct, I didn't get mad.
"You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no. "
Yes I did because nobody is denied care in America and because Health Care is not a priority. Getting Americans working again is and Obama really sucks in that arena.
John Black
04-11-10, 18:21
Get over it!
Was Michelle present when Obama was born? Many people refer to their family's country of origin as their 'home' land ('Irish' Americans, 'Italian' Americans and so on, but all of them are born in the USA).
Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii is the same form that is issued to every other citizen who is born in that state. If it is good enough for everybody else, why isn't it good enough for Obama? Don't bother asking for a 'long' form birth certificate, Hawaii doesn't have one!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
Try finding any court or any government entity in any country in the world who won't accept that document as proof of his birth. You won't.
And what about those 2 local Hawaiian news papers that published his birth notice? These are not paid ads, the papers get their info straight from the Hawaiian Government.
According to your quote from the constitution, John McCain doesn't qualify to be president, since he was born in Panama.
Personally, I think people who show clear signs of extreme delusion like yourself should be permanently purged from the voter rolls because you are obviously not capable to distinguish clear obvious facts from total fiction.
Another fine example of 'the un-mooring of politics from fact.'
Have a look at this great clip from Rachel Maddow discussing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9KjQUSZXqE
He's from Kenya, but don't take my word for it....listen to Michelle Obama say it.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=136769
Article 2, section 1...US Constitution
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1
The interloper may very well be tossed out.
WD
No where in the post did I claim this was mine I just reposted it! Also if you notice where I have inserted my thoughts you have no words to back up what you say are lies. I have proof from CNN MSNBC Rutgers and AP news that are not right wing wacko Fox Glen Beck zombies. Let go back to the see I A operative getting outed, the courts convited one of Bushes cronies for doing so but there you go saying its a lie LOL. So everything is a lie huh? When I go too Canada and tell them, "hey! Fox news Hannitey Glen Beck Rush fat ass Limbaugh all say that we have the greatests health care in the world" a lie? Or the truth? I ask the canadians would you rather have our health care, or yours? Everyone of them say "hell no yours sucks! " I ask do you get killed in Taxes for said health care they say its is a little higher but hey when you really need it you won't go bankrupt as it is paid for. Now another thing canadians are coming in droves too doctors on our side because theirs are no good a liE! The fact is most of the one that come here are for cosmetic surgeries. That are not covered for free in Canada. Now lets go back too Walter Reed 8 yrs of shoddy so called goverment run health care is the fault of who Obama get real, So in other words it is ok too send poor blacks, mexican, and low class whites off to fight your wars but give them shoddy goverment run health care is that your excuse!
And when congress tries too allocate funds too make it better for our wounded veterans ever low life Republican congressman votes against it! Go LOOK! IT UP! You can find it on the web. As too who voted for it an against it. Don't go making up shit that is not factual if you do go work for FOX news they just love liars.
Seems this rant is on a number of websites and not a diesel1 original. Here's some answers to these slanted half truths:
"You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President."
Nope. Al Gore was an idiot who lost the election, was a sore loser, couldn't even carry his own state and, was wasting tax payor money.
"You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy."
Why would I. Energy prices are still going up. Does this mean Obama is now in bed with them?
"You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed."
Lies, all lies. She was less covert that you. This whole story was a crock of crap.
"You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed."
*Not in the least. It has saved countless lives. Had near unanimous support as I recall. And did Obama extend it?
"You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us."
If I recall, the citizens were thankfull that we got that bastard too. No threat? Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people. Now whose side are you on?
"You didn't get mad when we spent over 714 billion (and counting) on said illegal war."
So when is Obama going to stop it? Oh wait, it's chump change compared to what he's blowing on phony pork stimulus packages and bailouts.
"You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq."
This is one big lie.
"You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people."
You got that one right. The bleeding heart liberals should have stayed out of it and maybe the good guys could have got something accomplished.
"You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans."
I wasn't wire tapped, were you?
"You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden."
Maybe we did, maybe we didn't but as far as the record shows, Obama hasn't either.
"You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed."
They've always been there. This is called government run health care. Of course much of the Walter Reed problems began to be fixed under the Bush administration
"You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown."
Yes, I remember when Bush created Katrina and made it hit New Orleans. I also remember when Bush told everyone to stay in that Democrat run state whose leaders were clueless. Where's Mayor 'Noggin' when we need him?
"You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich."
You mean the ones that really support the country with the taxes they already pay in addition to employment etc. You're correct, I didn't get mad.
"You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no. "
Yes I did because nobody is denied care in America and because Health Care is not a priority. Getting Americans working again is and Obama really sucks in that arena.
LordBlackAdder
04-16-10, 20:12
The sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill as displayed by the Rules Committee.
1. You are young and don't want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the "privilege." (Section 1501)
2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You'll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That's because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person's health status. (Section 2701).
3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).
4. Think you'd like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn't cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that's what the customer wants. (Section 2712).
5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn't allow your employees' slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).
6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.
You're a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You're a woman who can't have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You're a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).
7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a "Bronze plan," which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d)(1)(A))
8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you'd like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).
9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 50 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).
10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can't do that. (Section 9005 (i)).
11. If you are a physician and you don't want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It's not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients' care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))
12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a "Medicare provider agreement" by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didn't have those by then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A)).
13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you can't (Section 6001 (i) (1) (B). Unless, it is located in a county where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than 200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) (C)).
14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed "unreasonable" by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied. (Section 1003)
15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sell to the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at $2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at $2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (b)).
16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 (b)).
The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 1405).
17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer, what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administrative costs. So, if your net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or $670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 (b) (1) (A and B).)
18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).
19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).
That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates, and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you need to ask. (Section 1402).
20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).
LordBlackAdder
04-16-10, 20:20
It is remarkable that the press can find every woman with whom Tiger Woods has had an affair in the last few years, with photos, text messages, recorded phone calls, etc.
They know not only the cause of the family fight, but they even know it was a wedge from his golf bag that she used to break out the windows in the escalade. Not only that, they know which wedge!!!
This is the same press (or is it?) that cannot locate Obama's college papers .....or how he paid for a Harvard education...(or Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis on racism.) .... Or why both he and Michelle volunteered to give up their law degrees.
LordBlackAdder
04-16-10, 20:27
Barack Obama got out of the shower and was drying off when he looked n the mirror and noticed that he was white from the neck to the top of his head.
In a sheer panic and fearing he was turning white all over, he called his doctor and told him what had happened. The doctor advised him to come to his office immediately. After an examination, the doctor mixed a concoction of brown liquid, gave it to Barack, and told him to drink it all.
Barack drank the concoction and said, "That tasted like bull shit!"
"It was." the doctor replied, "You used so much of it defending the health care bill that you were a quart low."
"You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us."
If I recall, the citizens were thankfull that we got that bastard too. No threat? Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people. Now whose side are you on?
Yeah, and we've helped to cause the deaths of almost a million.
If they are so grateful, take a vacation to Iraq, and see how welcome you are.
LOL I just love they way you stuck it too Matt with facts instead of right wing bull crap.
It's the manure that is being shoveled in Matt Man II's report.
It's amazing to me that someone has the nerve to post something that is so far from the truth. Like they say, their oughta be a law. If we jail people who knowingly spread disinformation, this country would be much better off. Fox News would lose their staff, but I'm willing to accept that. They could just put a chimp in place of Glenn Beck and the rest of the gang. Would be just as entertaining and informative.
1) Al Gore won the popular vote by about a half a million votes. Did he win in Florida? I guess we'll never know. Who was governor of that state at the time?
2) Why would someone get mad about Cheney and energy companies? Because meetings were done in secret, records are not available to the public. Secret deals were probably made. Not a very transparent administration. Cheney was always a "Fuck off, you don't need to know" kind of guy. And a draft dodging asshole.
3) Valerie Plame was a covert officer for the CIA whose identity was leaked and as a result her career ended.. However you want to "spin" this, it is still treasonous.
4) Regarding the Patriot Act, how many lives do you reckon it saved? If you can answer that, you must be clairvoyant. Many Democrats asked for additional protections for the privacy rights of American citizens but Republicans said that would detract from the ability of the country's intelligence agencies to track down terrorists. Lacking a 60-vote supermajority in the Senate to pass the bill with the extra provisions, Democrats left them out of the bill.
5) Iraq. Not all Iraqi citizens were / are happy to see him go. A tyrant? Yes. Glad to see him go? Sure I am. But in doing this, Bush took the pressure off bin Laden / Taliban / al-Qaeda. Maybe we would have caught Osama and more of the upper echelons of his terrorist organization and THAT would have made us safer than the Patriot Act. Also, Bush sent soldiers to Iraq unprepared in regards to equipment. What's a few more dead Americans when we're going for the oil. If we are going to take out every tyrant, we must be ready to sacrifice more lives and more money. Who do you want to attack next. How about Kim Song Il? I mean, at the time Saddam kept saying he didn't have WMD's (and he didn't) but Kim said he does and we left him alone.
6) Again, regarding Iraq. And Obama. Why are we still there. As I mentioned in a previous report, it will take awhile to clean up a Republican mess. You can't blame the dems for the pile of dung that Bush left behind.
7) $10 billion in Iraq missing a lie? You're right, I think it's much more now.
8) Your statement regarding the illegal use of torture: "The bleeding heart liberals should have stayed out of it and maybe the good guys could have got something" Idiotic. Basically you are trying to make us just like Saddam Hussein. You lose the moral high ground when you think torture is the way to go. "Good guys". Give me a fucking break. Break the law and torture people like a 2 bit dictator. That's not my country. We are better than that. Also, most studies have shown that torture usually results in disinformation.
9) "I wasn't wire tapped, were you?" Are you 12 years old? What kind of response is that? Illegal wiretapping is just that, ILLEGAL. Whether it happens to you personally or not. What don't you understand?
10) No, Obama has not caught bin Laden, and like I said before, if Bush did not take the pressure off Afghanistan, maybe he would have. Or maybe he didn't want to. The Bush family has a lot of ties to the Saudis.
11) The conditions at Walter Reed Hospital were NOT always there. Did I say idiot already?
12) Bush & Katrina. Bush's repsonse to Katrina was the same as when he was told we were under attack on 9/11. Nothing. He just sat there and kept reading "My Pet Duck". Do you really think Democrats believe that Bush created a hurricane? Useless drivel on your part. Also who did Bush appoint to head FEMA? Mike Brown, a friend with no experience in the field of emergency management.
13) You don't get mad about tax breaks for the rich because you've been brainwashed or are brain dead. You need taxes to run a country. Those roads and bridges don't get built for free. Soldiers tanks and plane cost money too. Check out how much of our taxes are eaten up by the military. You can't invade Iraq for nothing. Actually, you can. Bush did and we'll be paying for it for decades. So, we used to have a budget surplus. That's gone, we're in debt and Bush wants to give tax breaks for himself and his buddies. I guess you want the poor and middle class to make up the difference. Idiot.
14) I already replied to your health insurance comment in a previous post.
Next time you post something do a little research first so you don't look stupid.
So, you left wing zombies sound a little mad. Whats wrong? Obama not working out for you? I thought everything was going to be fixed. What happend to all this change? The left always feel so bad for every low life in the world and there answer to a fix is Tax the rich. Oh ya blame Bush too. The problem with you libs is you think every thing is owed to you. Get a job and pay your own way. Thats right you can't unemployment is at 10% What happend to all that tax money spent to cerate jobs? So when you talk about 10 billion lost in Iraq that is chump change compared to what your Mr. Obama has spent on shit that does not work. So keep drinking Kool-Aid the left needs your vote. And to the rest of you working great americans keep working the libs need food stamps and health care.
Obama Cancels Trip to Poland for the presidents funeral because of ash in the air. I bet if Hugo Chaves died he would not miss that funeral for the world. Even if he had to take a grey hound bus with no a/c.
Your leader at his finest.
Keep drinking Kool-Aid libs.
Remember that earthquake off the coast of Chile recently? Well, it turns out it was caused by a previously unknown tectonic fault line, and Pres. Obama gets the naming rights for some reason.
He's already decided it'll be called Bush's Fault.
Obama Cancels Trip to Poland for the presidents funeral because of ash in the air. I bet if Hugo Chaves died he would not miss that funeral for the world. Even if he had to take a grey hound bus with no a/c.
Your leader at his finest.
Keep drinking Kool-Aid libs.
Matt Man II
04-18-10, 12:07
"No where in the post did I claim this was mine I just reposted it! "
Like the kool aid drinking fools you are, you missed the boat completely. I just pulled a Diesel1 on you and you missed it. He claimed in response to my post that he didn't say the post I was commenting on was his, so Diesel1 why the hell do you post something that's not yours and not put that in the post? Like hey "I found this on such and such site".
So I did the same thing and get slammed by you guardians of the truth. I just reposted some bullcrap from another website just like Diesel1 did and you assumed I wrote that crap.
Then you resort to name calling ("stupid") yet don't know a thing about me and can't figure the truth from fact, but get your info from websites, CNN, Fox news etc and believe what you choose from these sources of the "truth".
You assume too much.
As Ima Dick says:
"their oughta be a law. If we jail people who knowingly spread disinformation, this country would be much better off. "
Go look in the mirror.
It's the manure that is being shoveled in Matt Man II's report.
It's amazing to me that someone has the nerve to post something that is so far from the truth. Like they say, their oughta be a law. If we jail people who knowingly spread disinformation, this country would be much better off. Fox News would lose their staff, but I'm willing to accept that. They could just put a chimp in place of Glenn Beck and the rest of the gang. Would be just as entertaining and informative.
1) Al Gore won the popular vote by about a half a million votes. Did he win in Florida? I guess we'll never know. Who was governor of that state at the time?
2) Why would someone get mad about Cheney and energy companies? Because meetings were done in secret, records are not available to the public. Secret deals were probably made. Not a very transparent administration. Cheney was always a "Fuck off, you don't need to know" kind of guy. And a draft dodging asshole.
3) Valerie Plame was a covert officer for the CIA whose identity was leaked and as a result her career ended. However you want to "spin" this, it is still treasonous.
4) Regarding the Patriot Act, how many lives do you reckon it saved? If you can answer that, you must be clairvoyant. Many Democrats asked for additional protections for the privacy rights of American citizens but Republicans said that would detract from the ability of the country's intelligence agencies to track down terrorists. Lacking a 60-vote supermajority in the Senate to pass the bill with the extra provisions, Democrats left them out of the bill.
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5) Iraq. Not all Iraqi citizens were / are happy to see him go. A tyrant? Yes. Glad to see him go? Sure I am. But in doing this, Bush took the pressure off bin Laden / Taliban / al-Qaeda. Maybe we would have caught Osama and more of the upper echelons of his terrorist organization and THAT would have made us safer than the Patriot Act. Also, Bush sent soldier
Ad Americans when we're going for the oil. If we are going to take out every tyrant, we must be ready to sacrifice more lives and more money. Who do you want to attack next. How about Kim Song Il? I mean, at the time Saddam kept saying he didn't have WMD's (and he didn't) but Kim said he does and we left him alone.
6) Again, regarding Iraq. And Obama. Why are we still there. As I mentioned in a previous report, it will take awhile to clean up a Republican mess. You can't blame the dems for the pile of dung that Bush left behind.
7) $10 billion in Iraq missing a lie? You're right, I think it's much more now.
8) Your statement regarding the illegal use of torture: "The bleeding heart liberals should have stayed out of it and maybe the good guys could have got something" Idiotic. Basically you are trying to make us just like Saddam Hussein. You lose the moral high ground when you think torture is the way to go. "Good guys". Give me a fucking break. Break the law and torture people like a 2 bit dictator. That's not my country. We are better than that. Also, most studies have shown that torture usually results in disinformation.
9) "I wasn't wire tapped, were you? " Are you 12 years old? What kind of response is that? Illegal wiretapping is just that, ILLEGAL. Whether it happens to you personally or not. What don't you understand?
10) No, Obama has not caught bin Laden, and like I said before, if Bush did not take the pressure off Afghanistan, maybe he would have. Or maybe he didn't want to. The Bush family has a lot of ties to the Saudis.
11) The conditions at Walter Reed Hospital were NOT always there. Did I say idiot already?
12) Bush & Katrina. Bush's repsonse to Katrina was the same as when he was told we were under attack on 9/11. Nothing. He just sat there and kept reading "My Pet Duck". Do you really think Democrats believe that Bush created a hurricane? Useless drivel on your part. Also who did Bush appoint to head FEMA? Mike Brown, a friend with no experience in the field of emergency management.
13) You don't get mad about tax breaks for the rich because you've been brainwashed or are brain dead. You need taxes to run a country. Those roads and bridges don't get built for free. Soldiers tanks and plane cost money too. Check out how much of our taxes are eaten up by the military. You can't invade Iraq for nothing. Actually, you can. Bush did and we'll be paying for it for decades. So, we used to have a budget surplus. That's gone, we're in debt and Bush wants to give tax breaks for himself and his buddies. I guess you want the poor and middle class to make up the difference. Idiot.
14) I already replied to your health insurance comment in a previous post.
Next time you post something do a little research first so you don't look stupid.
We had eight years of Bush and Cheney, Now you get mad!?
You didn't get mad when ...You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.
You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.
You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.What a tool you are!
I am glad you say "we" about New Orleans. The lib idiots that run that town did not have the sense to evacuate thier own people using school buses. They refused help from the feds to help organize the evacuation. I was right next door in Texas so I know these dimwits all too well.
I am not rich and got that tax break. If you make under $47k you pay nothing! So WTF! How many people don't pay taxes? You can live pretty good on $47k so pay your f'in taxes!
The supreme court did not stop a recount, they stopped a 3rd recount! The issue was about counting voting cards that had multiple chads missing and Fla. Secretary of state refused to count them for either side. The dems wanted them counted as dem votes. You fail to mention the 200, 000 mail in votes that Califonia tossed out. Votes that came from our servicemen overseas. The repubs did not drag that all through the courts. BTW, it was the dems that went to the supreme court and LOST, it was not the repubs that did that. It was a disgrace and example of what lengths the left will go to win. What about Acorn signing up illegals and putting daffy duck on voter reg cards?
Walter Reed is an excellent example of why we don't want government involved in healthcare. I would love to address all your idiotic statements but I will address this last one only for the sake of time and sanity.
Illegal wiretaps. Hmmm. I do believe it held up in court. We are at war. The emeny is not obvious. In order to identfiy the enemy we listen to calls going to countries and persons of interest. So Bamaman can take away our liberties by forcing us to buy insurance but we can't protect our country by listening in on terrorist conversations? Well it worked Bozo! We stopped many attacks with those methods. We will get hit under Bama, just you wait. I hope I an wrong but with a Kenyan president what do you expect.
"No where in the post did I claim this was mine I just reposted it! "Nice Matt, ima dick is exactly what his handle states.
Wallie, I was being facetious regarding what you would do for healthcare. Just making sure you knew that. I know, I know , I used a big word and now imadickhead, john black and beasile whatever his name is will have to go look it up. BTW, Bush's fault, that's rich! Nice one.
So Hawaii has no long form birth certificate huh? Wrong. Shortform accepted everywhere, wrong again. The short form does not come from the hospital. It comes from city hall and are easily created fruadulently. I know for a fact that many DMV wont accept them. If he was born in an american hospital he would have a long form birth cert period.
Check it out http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347
"Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.
The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.
The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.
As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law. A close examination of the birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins shows the registration number precedes the number given Obama, even though the future president was born a day earlier.
Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961. "
Don't make false statements! I might mess up the facts once in while, like confusing a Margret Thatcher quote but I don't tell blatant lies.
There are so many questions so why don't he just produce it? I know he has one ... the problem is that it is from Kenya.
I am not rich and got that tax break. If you make under $47k you pay nothing! So WTF! How many people don't pay taxes? You can live pretty good on $47k so pay your f'in taxes!
My kids are in their 20's, single, no kids, no mortgage deductions. Both made under 30 grand and BOTH PAID FED TAXES.
I'd really like to know how the numbers got tweaked to say half the people don't pay, I really would.
LordBlackAdder
04-22-10, 10:22
A cross-dressing Massachusetts inmate who murdered his wife and has spent the last decade suing the Department of Correction for access to a sex change operation had a taxpayer funded mammogram this week.
Robert Kosilek – who sued for the right to change his name to Michelle in 1993, the year that he began his expensive court battle to force taxpayers to foot the bill for a sex change operation – has been receiving hormone injections and electrolysis hair removal as an inmate at MCI-Norfolk.
Those hormone treatments helped Kosilek develop breasts and the con has been wearing a bra in the all-male Massachusetts prison, DOC officials said.
On April 13, Kosilek, 59, was transported from the prison to the Lemuel Shattuck Hospital in Boston for an appointment in the radiology department. There he was given a routine mammogram before he was returned to the prison at noon, according to transportation documents.
LordBlackAdder
04-22-10, 10:27
Brussels has declared that tourism is a human right and pensioners, youths and those too poor to afford it should have their travel subsidised by the taxpayer.
Under the scheme, British pensioners could be given cut-price trips to Spain, while Greek teenagers could be taken around disused mills in Manchester to experience the cultural diversity of Europe.
The idea for the subsidised tours is the brainchild of Antonio Tajani, the European Union commissioner for enterprise and industry, who was appointed by Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister.
The scheme, which could cost hundreds of millions of pounds a year, is intended to promote a sense of pride in European culture, bridge the north-south divide in the continent and prop up resorts in their off-season.
Tajani, who unveiled his plan last week at a ministerial conference in Madrid, believes the days when holidays were a luxury have gone. “Travelling for tourism today is a right. The way we spend our holidays is a formidable indicator of our quality of life,” he said.
Tajani, who used to be transport commissioner, said he had been able to “affirm the rights of passengers” in his previous office and the next step was to ensure people’s “right to be tourists”.
The European Union has experience of subsidised holidays. In February the European parliament paid contributions of up to 52% towards an eight-day skiing trip in the Italian Alps for 80 children of Eurocrats.
Tajani’s programme will be piloted until 2013 and then put into full operation. It will be open to pensioners and anyone over 65, young people between 18 and 25, families facing “difficult social, financial or personal” circumstances and disabled people. The disabled and the elderly can be accompanied by one person.
I guess after we all get "Free" helath care this will be the next "free" thing that governemnt can give us.
ARegularGuy
04-22-10, 15:58
As if Anything found on wnt.com is valid! Okay, on occasion you might find something valid but it is usually sourced somewhere else.
A web site for those that are truly uninformed and want to remain so!
ARG
Nice Matt, ima dick is exactly what his handle states.
Wallie, I was being facetious regarding what you would do for healthcare. Just making sure you knew that. I know, I know , I used a big word and now imadickhead, john black and beasile whatever his name is will have to go look it up. BTW, Bush's fault, that's rich! Nice one.
So Hawaii has no long form birth certificate huh? Wrong. Shortform accepted everywhere, wrong again. The short form does not come from the hospital. It comes from city hall and are easily created fruadulently. I know for a fact that many DMV wont accept them. If he was born in an american hospital he would have a long form birth cert period.
Check it out http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347
"Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.
The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.
The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.
As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law. A close examination of the birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins shows the registration number precedes the number given Obama, even though the future president was born a day earlier.
Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961. "
Don't make false statements! I might mess up the facts once in while, like confusing a Margret Thatcher quote but I don't tell blatant lies.
There are so many questions so why don't he just produce it? I know he has one ... the problem is that it is from Kenya.
As if Anything found on wnt.com is valid! Okay, on occasion you might find something valid but it is usually sourced somewhere else.
As web site for those that are truly uninformed and want to remain so!
ARGOh I know, any right slanted web site or Fox News is fiction.
Here are some fiction based sights:
http://nocompromisemedia.com/2009/07/28/unveiled-hawaiis-1961-long-form-birth-certificates/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2076197/posts
http://michaelpatrickleahy.********.com/2008/10/show-us-birth-certificate-hawaii.html
From the other side
http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
" here's a question for Dr. Chiyome and Dr. Onaka:
Can you please explain to me why you are violating state law by showing us the document, but not violating state law by telling us you've seen the document? Did you receive authorization from Barack Obama to (1) look at the document and (2) tell us you've looked at the document?"
I would like to believe that he was born in the US but all the lies about his Reverend Wrong and William "I will blow you up" Ayers. Resko, public hearing on healthcare.
It is his credibility that is in question. He spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to hide this silluy certificicate. The conversion to short form certs in Hawaii did not start till 2007. He needed it to drive, attend school and get married. Since all that happened before 2007, he should very well have a copy. Just show it to us and we will stop the harassment.
I really do believe he was born there but until he proves it, I am going with what his paternal grandmother has said. Born in Kenya. Kenyan goverment says he was born there.
I want to believe so now make believe and show the damned thing!
John Black
04-23-10, 03:05
So where is Obama's Kenyan birth certificate? You claim one exists, but you can't produce it. Please don't wast your time posting that fake one which was actually based on an Australian certificate and created as bait for crazy birthers like you (and many took the bait!)
Fact is the nobody can order a 'long' form birth certificate from the State of Hawaii.
Do some reading: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html
The Obama birth certificate which is available on the internet is not a 'short' form birth certificate, it is THE birth certificate! It does not come from 'city hall' but from the Hawaii Department of Vital Records!
If Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how come 2 local newspapers printed the announcement of his birth?? Go check their archives themselves! To make it easy here are they: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php.
Did his parents take out these adds themselves back in 1961? No, then and now, the papers get all their data directly from the State of Hawaii themselves!
Why would Obama's parents try to fake his birth certificate? He was born to an American mother so no matter where he would be born he automatically became a US citizen. Did his parents expect in 1961 that their son would run for president in 2008?
Again, good luck finding any court or government entity that won't accept the published certificate. Again, it this the ONLY type of certificate the State of Hawaii issues!
How come none of the many 'birther' law suits made any progress whatsoever??? Should be a slam-dunk case, right??
Democrats didn't make a big stink about the fact that John McCain was born in Panama. He can't produce your prized 'long' form birth certificate either. In fact, the Senate UNANIMOUSLY passed a resolution to resolve that issue.
No matter what documents are produced, the 'birthers' will never accept it anyway. Remember, if you make the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, the burden of proof lies with you! So again, where is your proof?
Nice Matt, ima dick is exactly what his handle states.
Wallie, I was being facetious regarding what you would do for healthcare. Just making sure you knew that. I know, I know , I used a big word and now imadickhead, john black and beasile whatever his name is will have to go look it up. BTW, Bush's fault, that's rich! Nice one.
So Hawaii has no long form birth certificate huh? Wrong. Shortform accepted everywhere, wrong again. The short form does not come from the hospital. It comes from city hall and are easily created fruadulently. I know for a fact that many DMV wont accept them. If he was born in an american hospital he would have a long form birth cert period.
Check it out http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347
Don't make false statements! I might mess up the facts once in while, like confusing a Margret Thatcher quote but I don't tell blatant lies.
There are so many questions so why don't he just produce it? I know he has one ... the problem is that it is from Kenya.
So where is Obama's Kenyan birth certificate? You claim one exists, but you can't produce it. Please don't wast your time posting that fake one which was actually based on an Australian certificate and created as bait for crazy birthers like you (and many took the bait!)
Fact is the nobody can order a 'long' form birth certificate from the State of Hawaii.
Do some reading: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.htmlThat link proves nothing, just a place to order certs. No mention of long or short. As the person who runs the department stated, "all vital records were digitized in 2007, the originals are in storage. The Kenyan cert was a fake, I never took the bait. I guess his grandmother in Kenya is a big fat liar. Apparentely it runs in the family. If his dumbass father had not killed himself drinking and driving then maybe he could tell us.
The Obama birth certificate which is available on the internet is not a 'short' form birth certificate, it is THE birth certificate! It does not come from 'city hall' but from the Hawaii Department of Vital Records!
If Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how come 2 local newspapers printed the announcement of his birth? Go check their archives themselves! To make it easy here are they: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php.
Did his parents take out these adds themselves back in 1961? No, then and now, the papers get all their data directly from the State of Hawaii themselves!Oh that proves alot! I could call the local paper today and ask them to print an announcement of a birth. You pay for that, they don't just hang around the hospitals making lists dipshit!
Did you see what page of the newspaper it was on? It is the classifieds.
Why would Obama's parents try to fake his birth certificate? He was born to an American mother so no matter where he would be born he automatically became a US citizen. Did his parents expect in 1961 that their son would run for president in 2008?Read the law, the mother would have had to attained a certain age and lived in the US for a period of time. I am not going to post it, find it yourself.
They did it because they knew it was an issue.
Again, good luck finding any court or government entity that won't accept the published certificate. Again, it this the ONLY type of certificate the State of Hawaii issues!Wrong again, dipshit! The state of Hawaii went to the short form well after his birth. That cert is provided by the State as you said but in 1961, there was no such thing as a short form cert. Plenty of Hawians born around that time have produced thiers! Why can't the most powerful man in the world find his.
How come none of the many 'birther' law suits made any progress whatsoever? Should be a slam-dunk case, right?Any federal judge that accepts this case would be quickly removed by the regime. Did you not learn anything from Clinton and his tactics?
Democrats didn't make a big stink about the fact that John McCain was born in Panama. He can't produce your prized 'long' form birth certificate either. In fact, the Senate UNANIMOUSLY passed a resolution to resolve that issue.That is because the laws were changed so that anyone born to at least one american parent overseas is a legitimate US citizen. Provided the parent met the age reqiuirement and had lived on US soil for certain period. You stated it your self in this very post!
Nobody contested it because it was ridiculous.
No matter what documents are produced, the 'birthers' will never accept it anyway. Remember, if you make the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, the burden of proof lies with you! So again, where is your proof?Brilliant, prove a negative. It is much easier to prove where you are born than where you are not born.
I am going to contact my buddy that was born in Hawaii in 1968 and see if he can produce his long form cert. He is a total lib so I am betting he won't do it. But. Even he is suspicious just because of the mere fact he won't produce it. And no, it is not Lou Dobbs.
So after all this, the facts are clear.
In 1961, there was no such thing as a short form cert.
The director of the Hawian office of vital records has stated they were all digitized and they now only out the short form. Only Bama can request it.
You totally failed to counter a single point I made. Espcially the most important one. The $100K plus he spent to hide the facts. So, since it must exist since that was the only form in 1961 it must exist in the digitized archives. People in the Hawian government have said they viewed it in an effort to help Bamanan but instead it has created a firestorm because Bama's staff denied its existance and referred to the short form. Just show the f'in thing and this will all be a bad dream. Unlike his presidency, that is turning into a real nightmare!
Travelhunter1
04-23-10, 15:07
Why would Obama's parents try to fake his birth certificate? He was born to an American mother so no matter where he would be born he automatically became a US citizen. Did his parents expect in 1961 that their son would run for president in 2008?
Technically Ann Dunham was not of legal age to confer citizenship at the time.
ARegularGuy
04-23-10, 18:16
Most "birthers" just can't accept, maybe subconsciously, that the President of the USA is a black man. Closet racists at heart. I have "one" in my own family.
ARG
So where is Obama's Kenyan birth certificate? You claim one exists, but you can't produce it. Please don't wast your time posting that fake one which was actually based on an Australian certificate and created as bait for crazy birthers like you (and many took the bait!)
Fact is the nobody can order a 'long' form birth certificate from the State of Hawaii.
Do some reading: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html
The Obama birth certificate which is available on the internet is not a 'short' form birth certificate, it is THE birth certificate! It does not come from 'city hall' but from the Hawaii Department of Vital Records!
If Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, how come 2 local newspapers printed the announcement of his birth?? Go check their archives themselves! To make it easy here are they: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php.
Did his parents take out these adds themselves back in 1961? No, then and now, the papers get all their data directly from the State of Hawaii themselves!
Why would Obama's parents try to fake his birth certificate? He was born to an American mother so no matter where he would be born he automatically became a US citizen. Did his parents expect in 1961 that their son would run for president in 2008?
Again, good luck finding any court or government entity that won't accept the published certificate. Again, it this the ONLY type of certificate the State of Hawaii issues!
How come none of the many 'birther' law suits made any progress whatsoever??? Should be a slam-dunk case, right??
Democrats didn't make a big stink about the fact that John McCain was born in Panama. He can't produce your prized 'long' form birth certificate either. In fact, the Senate UNANIMOUSLY passed a resolution to resolve that issue.
No matter what documents are produced, the 'birthers' will never accept it anyway. Remember, if you make the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, the burden of proof lies with you! So again, where is your proof?
Asking any question about the Pres. or his policies is automatically labeled "racism" now it seems...
Dissent, and questioning, and protest, are not automatically racist, they're valid political commentary. GTFO over the idea that questioning = racism.
Remember how it was when Bush was President, it was considered patriotic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies. We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration.
Speaker of the Duma Pelosi agreed at one time too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5GuzruICwQ&feature=fvw
It ain't automatically racist.
Most "birthers" just can't accept, maybe subconsciously, that the President of the USA is a black man. Closet racists at heart. I have "one" in my own family.
ARG
I knew you were being waggish with your humor, I just couldn't resist spelling it out for those amongst us who can't seem to understand how another human can take responsibility for their own lives instead of expecting the government to control - I mean help - them with everything.
Nice Matt, ima dick is exactly what his handle states.
Wallie, I was being facetious regarding what you would do for healthcare. Just making sure you knew that. I know, I know , I used a big word and now imadickhead, john black and beasile whatever his name is will have to go look it up. BTW, Bush's fault, that's rich! Nice one.
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ARegularGuy
04-24-10, 13:15
It appears you only read that I used the word "racist".....I didn't accuse everyone of it, just most birthers because that is the underlying reason to be a birther. Maybe you aren't one and that's great, but most are and, are also in denial about their racism.
ARG
Asking any question about the Pres. or his policies is automatically labeled "racism" now it seems...
Dissent, and questioning, and protest, are not automatically racist, they're valid political commentary. GTFO over the idea that questioning = racism.
Remember how it was when Bush was President, it was considered patriotic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
Speaker of the Duma Pelosi agreed at one time too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5GuzruICwQ&feature=fvw
It ain't automatically racist.
ARegularGuy
04-24-10, 13:19
I don't know anybody who would choose "government help" over taking responsibility for their own lives. Where are these people? It is not a right or left point of view although it is often wrongly attributed to the left.
ARG
I knew you were being waggish with your humor, I just couldn't resist spelling it out for those amongst us who can't seem to understand how another human can take responsibility for their own lives instead of expecting the government to control - I mean help - them with everything.
It appears you only read that I used the word "racist".....I didn't accuse everyone of it, just most birthers because that is the underlying reason to be a birther. Maybe you aren't one and that's great, but most are and, are also in denial about their racism.
ARG
I still have a problem with the term "most". Sure, there are always gonna be idiots who don't like a person because of the color of their skin. Sad, but true. I just don't think "most" of the people who question our President - for whatever reason you wanna pick - are racist.
I still have a problem with the term "most". Sure, there are always gonna be idiots who don't like a person because of the color of their skin. Sad, but true. I just don't think "most" of the people who question our President - for whatever reason you wanna pick - are racist.Me too Wally. He meant most but I do believe he means all that post here. So. I am a white male married to a black female and I am a birther and a racist.
Hiding behind your color of skin is racism. As much as I detest Obama it is not because of the color of his skin but because of his tactics, his policies and his lies. These are same reasons I detest most politicians.
If McLaim had won, I would be attacking him also. I have been attacking him ever since his election funding crap that he pushed. He essentially caused his own defeat.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704671904575193921155425154.html?KEYWORDS=left+racism
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704671904575193921155425154.html?KEYWORDS=left+racism"To keep blacks voting Democratic, it is necessary for the party and its supporters to keep alive the idea that racism is prevalent in America and to portray the Republican Party (as well as independent challengers to the Democrats, such as the tea-party movement) as racist. The election of Barack Obama made nonsense of the idea that America remains a racist country and thereby necessitated an intensifying of attacks on the opposition as racist."
Excellent article. The above statement has been true since JFK. It is shameful and harmful to the country.
Maybe we should live up to their dreams and start blaming the Blacks, Hispanics, Chinese, etc. for all the problems.
Where I live the facts are that there is very little tension between whites and other ethnic groups. The most tension is between the hispanics and the blacks but yet the white race is labelled as the racist. It is pure crap and shows the ignorance of the liberals that post here and vote.
I also find it fascinating that a white guy that goes to church and wants to do by God is labelled as a right wing nut job but the black person who attends the evangelical churches is given a free pass even though they both pass along the same message. Yes, fascinating is it not?
My kids are in their 20's, single, no kids, no mortgage deductions. Both made under 30 grand and BOTH PAID FED TAXES.
I'd really like to know how the numbers got tweaked to say half the people don't pay, I really would.http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0&.v=1
"In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax.
Tax cuts enacted in the past decade have been generous to wealthy taxpayers, too, making them a target for President Barack Obama and Democrats in Congress. Less noticed were tax cuts for low- and middle-income families, which were expanded when Obama signed the massive economic recovery package last year.
The result is a tax system that exempts almost half the country from paying for programs that benefit everyone, including national defense, public safety, infrastructure and education. It is a system in which the top 10 percent of earners -- households making an average of $366,400 in 2006 -- paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government.
The bottom 40 percent, on average, make a profit from the federal income tax, meaning they get more money in tax credits than they would otherwise owe in taxes. For those people, the government sends them a payment."
So you children did pay fed income taxes, fica and social security via thier paycheck. The question is what did they get back in thier refund and was that more than they paid?
I hope nobody has the audacity to claim yahoo is a right wing think tank.
I think this pretty much sums it up for the non-believers.
I paid $23K in taxes AFTER my deductions. Married filing jointly with 2 children. Our adjusted gross income $122K.
So you would think somebody making half that would pay around $12K.
Read on and see why not.
"Income tax rates were lowered at every income level. The changes made it relatively easy for families of four making $50,000 to eliminate their income tax liability.
Here's how they did it, according to Deloitte Tax:
The family was entitled to a standard deduction of $11,400 and four personal exemptions of $3,650 apiece, leaving a taxable income of $24,000. The federal income tax on $24,000 is $2,769.
With two children younger than 17, the family qualified for two $1,000 child tax credits. Its Making Work Pay credit was $800 because the parents were married filing jointly.
The $2,800 in credits exceeds the $2,769 in taxes, so the family makes a $31 profit from the federal income tax. That ought to take the sting out of April 15.
Internal Revenue Service: http://www.irs.gov
Tax Policy Center: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org"
Why would Obama's parents try to fake his birth certificate? He was born to an American mother so no matter where he would be born he automatically became a US citizen. Did his parents expect in 1961 that their son would run for president in 2008?
Technically Ann Dunham was not of legal age to confer citizenship at the time.http://georgetown.usembassyg.gov/consularpdfs/acs/crba-information-packet3.pdf
Here it is direct from the procedures provided by the US state department.
This is for Guyanna but you get the jist.
The fact is Hawaii was not a state until 1959. It was a territory for 60 years prior to that. The question that remains is this; Was Bama's mom in the US for
" a period or periods totaling not less than ten years prior to the child's birth, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years. "
If she was a single mother, the period is one year. This could be the fact he is trying to hide. He could be considered a batstard child.
I realize his mom was born in Kansas in 1942, add the 14 years and that is 1956. So add the 5 years after attaining the age of 14 and that brings us to 1961. It puts his mom very close to the cut off. It is quite possible she simply was not old enough for Obama to be a citizen if he was indeed born in Kenya. We know she was in and out of the country during that period so the question remains. Did Bama's mom meet the requirements if Barrack was actually born in Kenya? Maybe not. So the long form cert would certainly prove that to inconsequencial. Bama spent hundreds of thousands of dollars hiding this stuff, it could be perceived that somebody in the Hawaian goverment was paid to create the short form cert. Not saying it happened but it is certainly possible. I think he is protecting his mom from the public knowing she had an illegitimate child. The only honorable this he has ever done if it is true.
http://georgetown.usembassy.gov/cons.on-packet3.pdf
10. Proof of Physical Presence in the United States.
The Immigration and Nationality Act specifies that in order to transmit citizenship to a child, the USA citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States for a specific amount of time prior to the child's birth. (Note: If both parents are USA citizens, no proof of physical presence is required.)
• If you were a single mother at the time of your child's birth you only need to present proof of one year continuous physical presence in the United States prior to the child's birth. • If only one of the parents is an American citizen: and the child was born before November 14, 1986: the American citizen would have to present proof that he/she was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years prior to the child's birth, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
LordBlackAdder
04-30-10, 17:20
Sarah Palin will be coming to the Chicago area for a speech early next month. One of the strip clubs is celebrating her visit by holding a Sarah Palin look-a-like contest. Note they are donating some of the profits to the Tea Party movement. I wonder if strip clubs hold Nancy Pelosi or Hilary Clinton look-a-like contests when these prominent Democrat women visit town?
I think this pretty much sums it up for the non-believers.
I paid $23K in taxes AFTER my deductions. Married filing jointly with 2 children. Our adjusted gross income $122K.
So you would think somebody making half that would pay around $12K.
Read on and see why not.
"Income tax rates were lowered at every income level. The changes made it relatively easy for families of four making $50,000 to eliminate their income tax liability.
Here's how they did it, according to Deloitte Tax:
The family was entitled to a standard deduction of $11,400 and four personal exemptions of $3,650 apiece, leaving a taxable income of $24,000. The federal income tax on $24,000 is $2,769.
With two children younger than 17, the family qualified for two $1,000 child tax credits. Its Making Work Pay credit was $800 because the parents were married filing jointly.
The $2,800 in credits exceeds the $2,769 in taxes, so the family makes a $31 profit from the federal income tax. That ought to take the sting out of April 15.
Internal Revenue Service: http://www.irs.gov
Tax Policy Center: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org"
The most progressive tax policy* since Reagan (or rather since 1987 - Dole tax hike) was Bush "tax cuts for the rich" plan.
I am going to be lazy and cite a blog post http://theconservativepost.com/WordPress/?p=384 but the facts behind this are easily verifiable.
It is amazing how if a lie get repeated often enough it becomes the truth. . . "tax cuts for the rich" etc. People will today say so matter-of-fact that Bush tax cuts "overwhelmingly favored the rich" when it is so obviously untrue. Yes, "the rich" received tax cuts, but the marginal rates of higher earners was reduced a much lower rate than the middle class.
*the only exception to that statement maybe what occurs with the "healthcare" bill, but either way, give him time.
The most progressive tax policy* since Reagan (or rather since 1987 - Dole tax hike) was Bush "tax cuts for the rich" plan.
I am going to be lazy and cite a blog post http://theconservativepost.com/WordPress/?p=384 but the facts behind this are easily verifiable.
It is amazing how if a lie get repeated often enough it becomes the truth. . . "tax cuts for the rich" etc. People will today say so matter-of-fact that Bush tax cuts "overwhelmingly favored the rich" when it is so obviously untrue. Yes, "the rich" received tax cuts, but the marginal rates of higher earners was reduced a much lower rate than the middle class.
*the only exception to that statement maybe what occurs with the "healthcare" bill, but either way, give him time.I don't have to verify it, I lived it! My taxes were cut generously and I am certainly not rich. Thanks for clarifying that.
It is amazing that people (the left) don't believe that 73% of the taxes paid are paid by the top earners and 47% do not pay taxes.
A must see for Obama lovers..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgB2eeHZEw&feature=fvst
I do get your point but how much of a crowd would a Nancy Pelosi or Hilary Clinton look-a-like contests get LOL
Sarah Palin will be coming to the Chicago area for a speech early next month. One of the strip clubs is celebrating her visit by holding a Sarah Palin look-a-like contest. Note they are donating some of the profits to the Tea Party movement. I wonder if strip clubs hold Nancy Pelosi or Hilary Clinton look-a-like contests when these prominent Democrat women visit town?
I do get your point but how much of a crowd would a Nancy Pelosi or Hilary Clinton look-a-like contests get LOLI would image that perhaps a paint ball club where you chase down those dressed like Nancy P., Hillary, Harry, Barney, etc.
Oh how fun would that be!
We could have the late Uncle Teddy driving a car and have to shoot him before he drives into the lake.
This might be worth investigating.
LordBlackAdder
05-21-10, 00:50
I think it may just have made a brief passing on the news over here. But there was recently a general election in the Uk and for the first time in almost three years the UK has an elected Prime Minster- David cameron conservative. despite massive losses by Labour and even higher gains for the Conservatives, they did not quite get a majority (the big problem with having 3 National Parties as well as a number of regional ones). Most likely would have gotten a majority had the Conservatives not adopted some bad ideas to attract voters. A coalition givernment was thus formed.
From the news:
Equalities groups hail Britain’s first white upper-class Prime Minister
Only a year after the inauguration of the first black President of the United States, equalities campaigners are celebrating a changed Britain after*a white upper-class man this week ascended to the highest political office in the land.
‘It’s humbling, a real riches to riches story,’ admitted new Prime Minister, David Cameron, addressing*his deprived constituents today in Witney, Oxfordshire. ‘When I was growing up on an estate in Berkshire, I never dreamed that someone like me could become anything more than a high court judge or chief executive of an investment bank. I was the first person in my family to go to university by private jet. To be honest, the whole thing hasn’t really sunk in yet – I have to keep asking my valet to pinch me.’
Equalities groups say that Cameron’s success is all the more striking for the obstacles still faced by white upper-class boys – or the ‘Great Ignored’. Health reforms have done nothing to reduce infant mortality rates among the rich, with many newborn heirs and heiresses continuing to suffer complications from being born with silver spoons in their mouths. And even in the 21st century, segregation still persists in some areas of the South, with state schools often adopting a policy of ‘No paedos, poofs or toffs’, excluding young aristocrats on at least one count and forcing them to fund their own educations.
‘I’m so grateful for the sacrifices others have made for me,’ continued Cameron, ‘like Lord Ashcroft foregoing that fourth yacht to fund our campaign. But it is not right in this day and age that someone like me should be reliant on handouts to shatter the glass ceiling which for so long has stopped well-off*Caucasian males reaching down and wielding real power over those beneath us. And that is why this Government will be committed to raising the affluent out of the mire of prosperity and helping them onto the road to obscene, eye-popping wealth.’
And then, as followers spilled out of the Bridge Club lured by his oratory, Cameron turned to the crowd sensing history in the making. ‘I have a dream,’ he went on, his voice soaring above the market square. ‘A dream that one day my children will live in a nation where they will*be judged not by the content of their character, but by the colour of their money. A dream that one day on the green hills of Oxfordshire, stablehands and their masters will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood, but with different menus. And until the chance to lead this great country becomes a birthright for all citizens of wealth, I shall continue to rail against prejudice and injustice and dream of a better nation, one where nothing stands between the Eustaces and Tarquins of tomorrow and their rightful place at the country’s head table.’
‘He should be careful,’ said a black veteran of the civil rights movement*from his till at the*Costcutter. ‘That kinda talk is liable to get him assassinated.’
LordBlackAdder
05-21-10, 01:02
The real reason Obama does not like the Arizonia immigration law.
John Black
05-21-10, 04:33
Party Vote % Diff. Seats Diff.
Conservative 36.1 +3.8 306 +97
Labour 29.0 -6.2 258 -91
Liberal Democrat 23.0 +1.0 57 -5
Democratic Unionist Party 0.6 -0.3 8 -1
Scottish National Party 1.7 +0.1 6 0
Others 9.6 14 0
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/
So the Conservatives get 306 seats with 36.1% of the vote. The LibDems only get 57 seats with 23% of the vote!
The price the LibDems demanded for joining a coalition with the Conservatives is electoral reform. You can see why they would want that...
Conservatives and Liberal Democrats working together! Can't see that happening in the USA any time soon.
I think it may just have made a brief passing on the news over here. But there was recently a general election in the Uk and for the first time in almost three years the UK has an elected Prime Minster- David cameron conservative. despite massive losses by Labour and even higher gains for the Conservatives, they did not quite get a majority (the big problem with having 3 National Parties as well as a number of regional ones). Most likely would have gotten a majority had the Conservatives not adopted some bad ideas to attract voters. A coalition givernment was thus formed.
LordBlackAdder
05-25-10, 13:01
Like over here it is a first past the post is the winner system in the UK. Whatever candidate has the most votes gets elected. Unlike in the US there are more than 2 viable parties, making it often possible for the winning candidate to have less than 50% of the vote.
President Clinton won both his elections with far less than 50% of the vote (and President Bush 43 had just under in 2000). Ross Perot if I recall got around 15% of the vote in the elections he ran and did not get a single electoral vote.
There are several economic issues that the two parties share- but for different reasons,. They remain far apart with their views on immigration and the EU. Cameron most likely could have gotten a majority governemnt if he had agreed to the UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party) demand that he hold a public referendum on pulling out of the EU. If he had most of the 3% of the votes that the UKIP got would have gone to the conservatives, since for the most part the UKIP is disgruntled former conservatives.
The alternative to forming a colaition with the Lib Dems woul have been a minority governemnet in which each piece of legislation would have had to be supported by the government and someone else. That is what is currently happening in Canada.
It was speculated had the Conservatives gotten a few more votes they would have gone into coalition with the right leaning Northern Irish party, since none of the 3 big parties get any seats there, and been able to rule with a lot less compromise but together they were still under 326 seat threshold.
Party Vote % Diff. Seats Diff.
Conservative 36.1 +3.8 306 +97
Labour 29.0 -6.2 258 -91
Liberal Democrat 23.0 +1.0 57 -5
Democratic Unionist Party 0.6 -0.3 8 -1
Scottish National Party 1.7 +0.1 6 0
Others 9.6 14 0
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/
So the Conservatives get 306 seats with 36.1% of the vote. The LibDems only get 57 seats with 23% of the vote!
The price the LibDems demanded for joining a coalition with the Conservatives is electoral reform. You can see why they would want that...
Conservatives and Liberal Democrats working together! Can't see that happening in the USA any time soon.
President Clinton won both his elections with far less than 50% of the vote (and President Bush 43 had just under in 2000). Ross Perot if I recall got around 15% of the vote in the elections he ran and did not get a single electoral vote.
The numbers I'm looking at say Clinton got 49% in his second (1996) election, which I would not call "far less than 50%". Ross Perot apparently got almost 19% in 1992. You correctly observe that a third party candidate in the US often acts as a "spoiler", and prevents the mainstream candidate that most closely resembles him from winning the election, thus forcing the opposite of his stated agenda.
A LETTER FROM A PROCTER AND GAMBLE EXECUTIVE TO THE PRESIDENT*
Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America's true living legends- an acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as "partnering. " Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made corporate history.
AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA
Dear President Obama:
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.
You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.
You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America ' crowd and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaugh's, Hannitys, O'Reillys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett * * This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it. Big surprise. Since it hit the internet, however, it has had over 500, 000 hits. Keep it going. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. It's happening right now. *http://www.Snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme. Asp
LordBlackAdder
05-31-10, 22:17
A picture is worth 1000 words but takes up 10,000 times the bandwidth.
Republicans set us up for and oversaw the biggest economic collapse since the 30s. They have accrued by far the largest portion of the troubling deficit (they spent "off budget", to fund their oil wars without acknowledgment of the huge tax-payer expense). They stole our constitutional rights in the name of protecting us (Their excuse: "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"... That occurred on WHOSE watch???). They way over-committed our military forces to protect oil corporation interests. And now they attempt to blame our new president for all these calamities. Right....
And their brilliant campaign slogan: "Drill, baby, drill???" SOOO conservative... of WHAT? (ask gulf residents). They give conservation a bad name. And, absurdity of absurdity, having waived regulation of the oil industry, they now blame Obama for this oil corporation atrocity in the Gulf of Mexico.
Finally, it always astonishes me to find any mongers who support the party who increase the powers of LE. The same LE who daily violate our constitutional rights. This is the party who beat their breasts about "family values" and turn out to be the worst form of hypocrites, whether closet gays, or f**king their the subordinates.
What IS the story?
This has got to be the GREATEST promo for the USMC that I, as an American, have ever seen ...
This has got to be the GREATEST promo for the USMC that I, as an American, have ever seen ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0
Green pants with blue shoes. :eek:
Street Seeker
06-18-10, 08:25
Green pants with blue shoes. :eek:
And what looks to be one hell of a wedgie!!!
LordBlackAdder
06-18-10, 19:17
Obama and his regime appear to have lost the praise of the late night comedians!
The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree . . and think 25 to life would be appropriate. -Jay Leno
America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask. -Jay Leno
Q: Have you heard about McDonald's' new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it. -Conan O'Brien
Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A: A fund raiser. -Jay Leno
Q: What's the difference between Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to society. The other is for housing prisoners. -David Letterman
Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America ! -Jimmy Fallon
Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo?
A: Bo has papers. -Jimmy Kimmel
Q: What was the most positive result of the "Cash for Clunkers" program?
A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road. -David Letterman
Republicans set us up for and oversaw the biggest economic collapse since the 30s. They have accrued by far the largest portion of the troubling deficit (they spent "off budget", to fund their oil wars without acknowledgment of the huge tax-payer expense). They stole our constitutional rights in the name of protecting us (Their excuse: "9/11, 9/11, 9/11"... That occurred on WHOSE watch???). They way over-committed our military forces to protect oil corporation interests. And now they attempt to blame our new president for all these calamities. Right....
And their brilliant campaign slogan: "Drill, baby, drill???" SOOO conservative... of WHAT? (ask gulf residents). They give conservation a bad name. And, absurdity of absurdity, having waived regulation of the oil industry, they now blame Obama for this oil corporation atrocity in the Gulf of Mexico.
Finally, it always astonishes me to find any mongers who support the party who increase the powers of LE. The same LE who daily violate our constitutional rights. This is the party who beat their breasts about "family values" and turn out to be the worst form of hypocrites, whether closet gays, or f**king their the subordinates.
What IS the story?The economic crisis sparked by the collapse of the mortgage banking system was George Bush's fault. The DEMOCRAPS owned the house, they put Barney in charge. Forced banks to lower thier lending standards cause everyone should own a home. 9/11 - oh yeah , nothing to do with Clinton not responding to the first attack. So Bush, 8 months into office, by the DEMOCRAP rules all that happened can still be blamed on the previous regime. Sorry it was Clinton's fault, not George's. In this case it is actually true.
The gulf spill ... banning drilling in safer places. You know what happens to oil when it spills on the Alaskan tundra. It gels, it coagulates to the point where the spill controls it self. It is very easily contained and way less harmful to the ecosystem. Bush's fault for not getting that done.
Cops, it is their job to catch us and our job to aviod capture. We all hate illegal tactics but we all want to be safe. It is a narrow passage...
What is wrong with being Gay? I don't approve of it but is there really a need to attach them? We all see the true hypocrit here. DEMOCRAPS and LIBERALS and PROGESSIVES are out to push thier agenda, they don't give a rats ass about blacks, illegals, gays, mexicans or even the average american.
All we can do is sit back and watch the worst president in history increase our taxes to the point that most of us will be placed in the 28% bracket. The wealthy, who were not affected by the Bush tax cuts will not see an increase. Obama is allowing to those cuts to expire and stating he is not raising taxes just putting them back to the levels they were at before Bush cut them. When your taxes go up, that is a tax hike, plain and simple.
Do we really wonder why guys like Buffet supported him?
The kids filed back into class Monday morning. They were very excited.
Their weekend assignment was to sell something, then give a talk on
productive salesmanship.
Little Sally led off: "I sold girl scout cookies and I made $30," she
said proudly, "My sales approach was to appeal to the customer's civil
spirit and I credit that approach for my obvious success."
"Very good," said the teacher.
Little Jenny was next:
"I sold magazines," she said, "I made $45 and I explained to everyone
that magazines would keep them up on current events."
"Very good, Jenny," said the teacher.
Eventually, it was Little Johnny's turn (you remember him don't cha?).
The teacher held her breath ...
Little Johnny walked to the front of the classroom and dumped a box full
of cash on the teacher's desk. "$2,467," he said.
"$2,467!" cried the teacher, "What in the world were you selling?"
"Toothbrushes," said Little Johnny.
"Toothbrushes!" echoed the teacher, "How could you possibly sell enough
tooth brushes to make that much money?"
"I found the busiest corner in town," said Little Johnny, "I set up a
Dip & Chip stand and gave everybody who walked by a free sample."
They all said the same thing, "Hey, this tastes like dog shit!"
Then I would say,"It is dog shit. Wanna buy a toothbrush?"
"I used the governmental approach of giving you something shitty for
free, and then making you pay to get the shitty taste out of your
mouth."
Rush found a real nice looking wife now.
Let's see if she doesn't try to screw him over in a divorce.
Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution
"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States."
From the Chicago police chief:
The city of Chicago police department has announced this morning that all
German Shepherd Police Dogs will be replaced by Coon Hounds, due to the fact that the city is not having any problems with Germans.
WARNING: If you laughed at this, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Barack Obama and Rev. Wright Will be comin' over to kick your honky ass!
Boston Ampfan
06-27-10, 20:50
Lou Pritchett scares me because he is a bigoted son of a *****.
A LETTER FROM A PROCTER AND GAMBLE EXECUTIVE TO THE PRESIDENT*
Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America's true living legends- an acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as "partnering. " Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made corporate history.
http://www.Snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme. Asp
Boston Ampfan
06-27-10, 20:54
Q. What is the difference between Sarah Pallin and a two-bit hooker?
A. $60 plus tip.
Obama and his regime appear to have lost the praise of the late night comedians!
The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree . . and think 25 to life would be appropriate. -Jay Leno
America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask. -Jay Leno
Q: Have you heard about McDonald's' new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it. -Conan O'Brien
Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A: A fund raiser. -Jay Leno
Q: What's the difference between Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to society. The other is for housing prisoners. -David Letterman
Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America ! -Jimmy Fallon
Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo?
A: Bo has papers. -Jimmy Kimmel
Q: What was the most positive result of the "Cash for Clunkers" program?
A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road. -David Letterman
Boston Ampfan
06-27-10, 20:59
You birthers are a bunch of ignorant sluts.
http://georgetown.usembassyg.gov/consularpdfs/acs/crba-information-packet3.pdf
Here it is direct from the procedures provided by the US state department.
This is for Guyanna but you get the jist.
The fact is Hawaii was not a state until 1959. It was a territory for 60 years prior to that. The question that remains is this; Was Bama's mom in the US for
" a period or periods totaling not less than ten years prior to the child's birth, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years. "
If she was a single mother, the period is one year. This could be the fact he is trying to hide. He could be considered a batstard child.
I realize his mom was born in Kansas in 1942, add the 14 years and that is 1956. So add the 5 years after attaining the age of 14 and that brings us to 1961. It puts his mom very close to the cut off. It is quite possible she simply was not old enough for Obama to be a citizen if he was indeed born in Kenya. We know she was in and out of the country during that period so the question remains. Did Bama's mom meet the requirements if Barrack was actually born in Kenya? Maybe not. So the long form cert would certainly prove that to inconsequencial. Bama spent hundreds of thousands of dollars hiding this stuff, it could be perceived that somebody in the Hawaian goverment was paid to create the short form cert. Not saying it happened but it is certainly possible. I think he is protecting his mom from the public knowing she had an illegitimate child. The only honorable this he has ever done if it is true.
http://georgetown.usembassy.gov/cons.on-packet3.pdf
10. Proof of Physical Presence in the United States.
The Immigration and Nationality Act specifies that in order to transmit citizenship to a child, the USA citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States for a specific amount of time prior to the child's birth. (Note: If both parents are USA citizens, no proof of physical presence is required.)
• If you were a single mother at the time of your child's birth you only need to present proof of one year continuous physical presence in the United States prior to the child's birth. • If only one of the parents is an American citizen: and the child was born before November 14, 1986: the American citizen would have to present proof that he/she was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years prior to the child's birth, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
Boston Ampfan
06-27-10, 21:11
1. Woke up, jerked off to pictures of Sarah.
2. Put on my wife's underwear and Jerked off to pictures of Rush Limbaugh.
3. Wrote to local newspaper urging that AMPs should be closed.
4. Jerked off thinking about the little boy next door.
5. Got drunk.
6. Drove to office.
7. Stopped at AMP, couldn't get erection.
8. Jerked off to pictures of Rush Limbaugh.
9. Preached at church.
10. Kicked a homeless person.
11. Jerked off thinking about the homeless person
12. Listened to Rush and agreed with him.
Interesting reading.
Boston Ampfan
06-27-10, 21:15
"I also find it fascinating that a white guy that goes to church and wants to do by God is labelled as a right wing nut job but the black person who attends the evangelical churches is given a free pass even though they both pass along the same message. Yes, fascinating is it not?"
The difference is that the white evangelists are generally ignorant bastards.
"To keep blacks voting Democratic, it is necessary for the party and its supporters to keep alive the idea that racism is prevalent in America and to portray the Republican Party (as well as independent challengers to the Democrats, such as the tea-party movement) as racist. The election of Barack Obama made nonsense of the idea that America remains a racist country and thereby necessitated an intensifying of attacks on the opposition as racist."
Excellent article. The above statement has been true since JFK. It is shameful and harmful to the country.
Maybe we should live up to their dreams and start blaming the Blacks, Hispanics, Chinese, etc. for all the problems.
Where I live the facts are that there is very little tension between whites and other ethnic groups. The most tension is between the hispanics and the blacks but yet the white race is labelled as the racist. It is pure crap and shows the ignorance of the liberals that post here and vote.
I also find it fascinating that a white guy that goes to church and wants to do by God is labelled as a right wing nut job but the black person who attends the evangelical churches is given a free pass even though they both pass along the same message. Yes, fascinating is it not?
Boston Ampfan
06-27-10, 21:19
He looks just like Rush--who is also a drug-addled delusional son of a *****.
A cross-dressing Massachusetts inmate who murdered his wife and has spent the last decade suing the Department of Correction for access to a sex change operation had a taxpayer funded mammogram this week.
Robert Kosilek – who sued for the right to change his name to Michelle in 1993, the year that he began his expensive court battle to force taxpayers to foot the bill for a sex change operation – has been receiving hormone injections and electrolysis hair removal as an inmate at MCI-Norfolk.
Those hormone treatments helped Kosilek develop breasts and the con has been wearing a bra in the all-male Massachusetts prison, DOC officials said.
On April 13, Kosilek, 59, was transported from the prison to the Lemuel Shattuck Hospital in Boston for an appointment in the radiology department. There he was given a routine mammogram before he was returned to the prison at noon, according to transportation documents.
Boston Ampfan
06-27-10, 21:38
1. You suck
2. You think Sarah once had an original thought.
3. You think Rush is not a drug addict
IQ tests should be used to stop the death penalty, but not to determine admission to AP classes.
The Ten Commandments in schools will hurt the children, but “Heather Has Two Mommies” won’t.
College students must protest the President Bush, but never challenge anything the professor says.
Math tests are racist, but there is nothing racist about blacks being admitted over more qualified white applicants.
Education is about “feeling”, not knowing. Logic is the product of white male supremacy in our culture.
Meat is bad for you. So is milk. But marijuana gets you ready for your finals.
AIDS is caused by poverty. So is crime. And membership in the Republican party.
You want to outlaw cigarettes and legalize marijuana.
Global Cooling for 10 years proves that there is global warming.
You think that using less toilet paper will be good for the air.
The best way to care about a disease is to wear a ribbon.
People should be allowed to euthanize themselves, but not to eat in McDonald’s.
Career welfare recipients are fat because they can’t afford food. (For those of you who do not know it, there was a point in time when being fat was considered a sign of wealth)
You see racist code-words in all media except in hip-hop singles such as “Kill The White People”.
You wonder out loud, “Why can’t we all just get along?”
You oppose all racial prejudice, but think all whites are racist, consciously or not.
Illegal Mexicans are real Americans. Descendants of our Founding Fathers aren’t.
Racial profiling is wrong, but all serial killers are white and all Mexicans are hard-working family men.
Prostitution empowers women, but having a man open the door for you is degrading.
Your dog is smaller than your cat.
Men are bigger, stronger and faster than women because our society is sexist.
Western women suffer at the hands of men, but Islamic women are greatly respected.
The only time you’ve ever used the word “choice” was in reference to abortion. School choice or the choice to shop at Wal-Mart should be prevented at all costs.
Men who are aroused by breasts are sexist freaks, but homosexuality is biologically normal.
Constitutional rights that are actually written in the Constitution are outdated and should be ignored.
The First Amendment’s Freedom of Speech must take a back seat to sensitivity.
Affirmative action is the way to solve racial problems in America.
Quietly reading “The Bell Curve” on the bus is harassment, but keying someone’s car for disagreeing with you is activism.
When rape and murder statistics go up, you blame poverty.
Society should take responsibility for crime, but the criminals need more understanding.
America and Israel are the only problems in the Middle East.
Truth matters less than feelings.
You are more proud of Obama’s race than of John McCain’s refusal to leave his buddies behind in Vietnamese prison.
You laugh at Dan Quayle, but you still can’t figure out the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
All election recounts must continue until the Democrat takes the lead, and not a second longer.
Capitalism is the cause of poverty.
People aren’t successful, they are privileged.
You are steeped in compassion, but never gave money to charity or donated blood.
Fox News is biased, but Al Jazeerah isn’t. In fact, Fox News invented media bias.
Rush Limbaugh and Michael Reagan are mean-spirited racists and promote hate crime, but Maxine Waters, John Conyers and Louis Farrakhan aren’t and don’t.
Assaulting the President by throwing shoes at him is free speech, but political cartoons about Muhammad aren’t.
Freedom of speech means the right to scream when a conservative tries to speak in order to prevent anyone from hearing his views.
Freedom of speech applies to terrorists, not conservative radio talk show hosts.
Everyone who disagrees with you must be reported for racism to your employer, university dean and the police
John Black
06-27-10, 22:36
The economic crisis sparked by the collapse of the mortgage banking system was George Bush's fault. The DEMOCRAPS owned the house, they put Barney in charge. Forced banks to lower their lending standards cause everyone should own a home.Democrats didn't take control of the house until 2006. From 1993 until 2006 the GOP was in control. Also, it's not Congress which sets economic policy, that is done by the administration which was run by Bush. Congress can pass new laws, hold hearings and vote on the budget and presidential appointments. Not much else. They don't govern, they legislate! Almost everything that Congress does has to be approved by the president who can veto almost everything (unless overridden by 2/3 majorities in both houses of congress).
The idea of less (financial) regulation and making everybody a home owner is a page out of the GOP bible. Profits over everything! After all, the benefits will eventually trickle down to the common folk. Eventually. Unfortunately, most of these benefits seem to get 'stuck' at the top 5% of income earners (which collect over 90% of all income).
Congress didn't 'force' the banks to do anything. They can't. The administration put people in charge of Fanny May and Freddie Mac who eased up on the lending restrictions. Banks, lenders and brokers took full advantage. The administration stood by and did nothing when it looked like things might get out of hand (because that would hurt profits).
If you think the Democratic congress is to blame, kindly provide a link to congressional documents that show this.
Until then, take a class on how the US Government really works. Based on the ignorance you exposed here, you would not even pass the US citizenship test required for all new immigrant citizens.
The gulf spill. Banning drilling in safer places. You know what happens to oil when it spills on the Alaskan tundra. It gels, it coagulates to the point where the spill controls it self. It is very easily contained and way less harmful to the ecosystem. Bush's fault for not getting that done.You think drilling in the Alaska Nature reserves is a good idea? A spill 'will control itself'? Utter and total ignorant nonsense! The damage an oil spill will do the Alaska eco-system is unimaginable!
Why does the GO(B)P oppose a temporary 6 month ban on drilling in the Gulf? It only affects DRILLING platforms, not oil production platforms! There are over 3, 600 sites in the Gulf. Only 33 will be affected by this ban. Wouldn't it be a good idea to figure out what happened first? BP was drilling at 5000ft depth. Shell has a platform drilling at 8000ft. It uses the same out of date contingency plan for a spill that BP had. But all the resources needed to contain a drilling spill are kind of busy right now.
Obama got BP to put $20 Billion in an ESCROW fund, not a 'slush' fund like Rush claims. So even if BP files for bankruptcy, this money will still be there. GO(B)P politicians want to limit the liability of oil companies at $75 million. Who will pay the rest? The tax payer! The GO(B)P should not apologize to BP, but to the tax payers!
Ricks Team
06-28-10, 02:33
1. You suck
2. You think Sarah once had an original thought.
3. You think Rush is not a drug addictGet a life.
Well said John.....Well said indeed.
Democrats didn't take control of the house until 2006. From 1993 until 2006 the GOP was in control. Also, it's not Congress which sets economic policy, that is done by the administration which was run by Bush. Congress can pass new laws, hold hearings and vote on the budget and presidential appointments. Not much else. They don't govern, they legislate! Almost everything that Congress does has to be approved by the president who can veto almost everything (unless overridden by 2/3 majorities in both houses of congress).
The idea of less (financial) regulation and making everybody a home owner is a page out of the GOP bible. Profits over everything! After all, the benefits will eventually trickle down to the common folk. Eventually. Unfortunately, most of these benefits seem to get 'stuck' at the top 5% of income earners (which collect over 90% of all income).
Congress didn't 'force' the banks to do anything. They can't. The administration put people in charge of Fanny May and Freddie Mac who eased up on the lending restrictions. Banks, lenders and brokers took full advantage. The administration stood by and did nothing when it looked like things might get out of hand (because that would hurt profits).
If you think the Democratic congress is to blame, kindly provide a link to congressional documents that show this.
Until then, take a class on how the US Government really works. Based on the ignorance you exposed here, you would not even pass the US citizenship test required for all new immigrant citizens.
You think drilling in the Alaska Nature reserves is a good idea? A spill 'will control itself'? Utter and total ignorant nonsense! The damage an oil spill will do the Alaska eco-system is unimaginable!
Why does the GO(B)P oppose a temporary 6 month ban on drilling in the Gulf? It only affects DRILLING platforms, not oil production platforms! There are over 3, 600 sites in the Gulf. Only 33 will be affected by this ban. Wouldn't it be a good idea to figure out what happened first? BP was drilling at 5000ft depth. Shell has a platform drilling at 8000ft. It uses the same out of date contingency plan for a spill that BP had. But all the resources needed to contain a drilling spill are kind of busy right now.
Obama got BP to put $20 Billion in an ESCROW fund, not a 'slush' fund like Rush claims. So even if BP files for bankruptcy, this money will still be there. GO(B)P politicians want to limit the liability of oil companies at $75 million. Who will pay the rest? The tax payer! The GO(B)P should not apologize to BP, but to the tax payers!
Boston Ampfan
06-28-10, 16:10
Will she divorce him before she discovers that he is drug-addled, fast-talking, ignorant asshole or after?
Rush found a real nice looking wife now.
Let's see if she doesn't try to screw him over in a divorce.
ARegularGuy
06-28-10, 17:03
Dare I say "ditto"!
Well said John.....Well said indeed.
ThrillMe26
06-28-10, 21:14
And amazingly enough, who was one of the largest recipients of BP campaign money?
Barack Obama.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64420A20100505
During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.
You can harp on that George Bush is evil bullshit all you want, but when the money is talking, b-rack is taking.
If you are saying that we MUST get corporate money out of the American "democratic" process, I am 100% with you. But you know as well as I that Republicans have purchased the best legislators that money can buy. What is the chance your right-wing, corporate lackeys, will support THAT idea?
Do you want me to criticize Obama for doing like his predecessors of the past eight, 16, 32, 64 years have done. I am with you there. Corporations are NOT people. It is scandalous that Bush's Supreme Court has conferred that right to them (what do we expect, they gave him the election...).
So what are YOU doing to prohibit contributions like BP's from the political process???
And amazingly enough, who was one of the largest recipients of BP campaign money?
Barack Obama.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64420A20100505
During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.
You can harp on that George Bush is evil bullshit all you want, but when the money is talking, b-rack is taking.
LordBlackAdder
06-29-10, 10:12
I would not want to ask
"I also find it fascinating that a white guy that goes to church and wants to do by God is labelled as a right wing nut job but the black person who attends the evangelical churches is given a free pass even though they both pass along the same message. Yes, fascinating is it not?"
The difference is that the white evangelists are generally ignorant bastards.No, the difference is skin color!!! If you trash a black, hispanic, asian, etc ... it is racism but if you trash a white guy that is ok because he is probably ignorant and his mother never married.
Please.
I live in the south and have never even heard of a white minister getting into trouble but over the same time period I have seen black ministers locked up for seeking prosititution, murder, child abuse and monetory fruad.
Anyone that believe's your claim is the "ignorant bastard".
Democrats didn't take control of the house until 2006. From 1993 until 2006 the GOP was in control. Also, it's not Congress which sets economic policy, that is done by the administration which was run by Bush. Congress can pass new laws, hold hearings and vote on the budget and presidential appointments. Not much else. They don't govern, they legislate! Almost everything that Congress does has to be approved by the president who can veto almost everything (unless overridden by 2/3 majorities in both houses of congress).Thanks for 7th grade history lesson. It obvious that you did not go much further in school.
I guess you skipped math class to smoke pot in the bathrooms. In 93, it was controlled by DEMs, in 94 DEMS lost the election so in 95 the repubs took control. In 2001 the DEMs owned the Senate.
The facts are that during his entire presidency he never a "veto-proof" majority. If he did not vote for it he would have been overruled, even by the rebublicans thanks to Rinos like McLaim.
It is a give and take thing ya know, you pass this for me and I will vote for that for you. I worked for a bank as a regulator and I know damn well that if you did not offer sub prime loans the fed levied fines against you. In 2000, my bank got out of the mortage business and sold it off rather than take the chances. It was one of the few top 10 banks not in the red by 2008.
In 2007, liberal dems, that owned both the house and senate declared that everyone had a "right" to own a home and dropped the standards to the point that a person making $35k/year would be approved for a 150K mortgage with no money down. It was the birth of 100% financing. Its mother was Barney Frank and the democratic party.
Yes congress legislates, you are correct, but they also stuff things like this into bills that have nothing to do with the other. The president is forced to sign it or he looks like he is against funding highway projects or some other unrelated topic. Both parties do it but DEMs add stuff like this where the repubs generally won't add things that add to the budget or hurt private business.
Now you have been schooled.
The idea of less (financial) regulation and making everybody a home owner is a page out of the GOP bible. Profits over everything! After all, the benefits will eventually trickle down to the common folk. Eventually. Unfortunately, most of these benefits seem to get 'stuck' at the top 5% of income earners (which collect over 90% of all income).Complete rubbish! Again, skipping math class has hurt you. Yes profits are everything. Risk is computed into potential profits. So if the bank makes $1K/month for a year on interest from a loan and then has to sign off on a short sale after 12 months where they loose $25K the net loss is $13K. Just go ask CountryWide (BofA) how well that added to their pocket books. Banks make the most money on lower intrest safe loans and morons that run up their credit cards.
The trickle down affect was Reaganomics. A company that got a tax break could operate more profitably and thus hire more workers. The money would tricke down. You are a conufused stoner! That money will not trickle down dipshit! It was given directly to the lower income earners with those loans.
Congress didn't 'force' the banks to do anything. They can't. The administration put people in charge of Fanny May and Freddie Mac who eased up on the lending restrictions. Banks, lenders and brokers took full advantage. The administration stood by and did nothing when it looked like things might get out of hand (because that would hurt profits).
If you think the Democratic congress is to blame, kindly provide a link to congressional documents that show this.WRONG AGAIN!!
The banking committee in congress makes the apointments. Do you really think Bush would have put Barney Frank in charge? NO FRIGGIN WAY!!! Freddie and Fanny were bound by the same rules as other lenders the difference was they wanted it so that those mortgages could be sold before they failed. Too bad for them their timing was off. It was the same tactic that brought down WAMU.
What profits!!! All these firms had to get money from you and me just to stay in business because nobody was lending to any body. Then JP Morgan chase pulled the carpet out from under Lehman Bros by demanding a huge payment. That began the banking crisis in news but it had started long ago in a committe run by Chris Dodd.
http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=CommitteeInformation.Home
Until then, take a class on how the US Government really works. Based on the ignorance you exposed here, you would not even pass the US citizenship test required for all new immigrant citizens.Doubtful John, but just like you I was born here. The key to control is to control the commitees. The party with the most members in conress generally control the committees.
The committees review the bills congress will vote on. Did you ever hear the term "the bill was killed in committee".
Stop smoking the weed, go back and get your GED and for god's sake please stop voting!!!
You think drilling in the Alaska Nature reserves is a good idea? A spill 'will control itself'? Utter and total ignorant nonsense! The damage an oil spill will do the Alaska eco-system is unimaginable!
Why does the GO(B)P oppose a temporary 6 month ban on drilling in the Gulf? It only affects DRILLING platforms, not oil production platforms! There are over 3, 600 sites in the Gulf. Only 33 will be affected by this ban. Wouldn't it be a good idea to figure out what happened first? BP was drilling at 5000ft depth. Shell has a platform drilling at 8000ft. It uses the same out of date contingency plan for a spill that BP had. But all the resources needed to contain a drilling spill are kind of busy right now.Again, looks like you skipped science class also.
Oil gels once it gets very very cold. Last I checked it is still really really cold. Do you really think it is easier to clean oil from the ocean than from the tundra? That is so ignorant I will let other laugh at it rather than abuse myself by explaining it. But if you believe me, go get a snow cone and a glass of water. Pour oil on both and see which is easier to clean. THis is still not fair since the oil is at room temp. I am surprised you know how to breath sir.
I live in Texas, check your facts, see what sites were active, that is key there. If O'bama had taken charge and accepted foriegn help. The spill would have been contained. In many cases, the oil companies don't even own the rigs but in all cases they sub out the drilling.
The oil companies won and run the refineries. Transocean is the primary operator/owner.
By shutting down the rigs you hurt americans. How about better and more frequent inspections. Oh, I know this is all Bush's fault, right? Nothing to do with significant contributions to Obama by oil companies. That rig passed all inspections by the Obama run government. $75K into his bankroll probably helped that unsafe rig pass all inspections.
Obama got BP to put $20 Billion in an ESCROW fund, not a 'slush' fund like Rush claims. So even if BP files for bankruptcy, this money will still be there. GO(B)P politicians want to limit the liability of oil companies at $75 million. Who will pay the rest? The tax payer! The GO(B)P should not apologize to BP, but to the tax payers!So have you heard who is overseeing that slush fund. I am not going to tell you. Go look it up then look up who he is what he represents. The people who need that money will never see it. Let BP continue to get oil from the rigs run by Transocean and maybe they won't go bankrupt. Thank god the federal judge down there ruled that the neither the president or any part of government can just order a shutdown or private enterprise.
To bad there is no tax write off for ignorance John. If there were you would be a rich man from all the tax dollars you would get.
Year Congress President Senate (100) House (435)
2009 111th D D - 55*** D - 256
2007 110th R D - 51** D - 233
2005 109th R R - 55 R - 232
2003 108th R R - 51 R - 229
2001 107th R D* R - 221
1999 106th D R - 55 R - 223
1997 105th D R - 55 R - 228
1995 104th D R - 52 R - 230
1993 103rd D D - 57 D - 258
1991 102nd R D - 56 D - 267
From http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm
Place your own links to prove your facts John, OHHH thats right! You can't cause they are "make believe".
Dare I say "ditto"!To beeareal-loser and irregular guy (better know as abby normal)
Oh please, well put my ass!
JB has been put in his place. You can spew lies all you want but there is intelligent life here that sees through all of that.
Everything that is wrong with this country is the fault of those who deviate from the constitution. It was written by real smart guys that experienced tyranny and out controls in place to keep it out of our society.
Over regulating and taxation are sending jobs over seas. We live in free society where it citizens can choose if they want to be a banker or ditch digger. We can demand a salary matches our skill and experience.
Corporations are told what minimum they must pay. They are told they must hire so many blacks. The worker has the right to refuse to work for a black or white person.
Corporations have had it, they are shutting down and incorporating in other countries because it is alot cheaper to pay the import tax than to stay here and follow all the "rules".
Soon the government will tell you who to work for and how much you will get. You will be told what car to drive, what temp to keep your house at and many other things.
So keep voting democrap just don't crap your pants when you cant get a job and are forced to drive a Prius with a loan at 23% with no job to pay for it.
Bread lines are coming if we continue to let our rights erode.
1. You suck
2. You think Sarah once had an original thought.
3. You think Rush is not a drug addict.You might be a democrap if you ...
1. Think you deserve something for nothing.
2. Think FDR shortened the depression.
3. Think corporations and small business making a profit is a bad thing.
4. Think global warming is real.
5. Think the rich don't pay taxes.
6. Think Obama is black and not haf n half.
7. Think having a minumum wage is a good thing.
8. Think Whitewater was not as bad as Watergate.
9. Think healthcare is a right.
10. Think Republicans are all rich white guys.
Typical LIB!!! "You suck" what is that all about. OHHH! i forgot #11
11. Are to stupid to make reasonable arguements to support your POV.
Oops forgot who I was writing this too POV = Point Of View.
Your sudden but endless flood of posts, characterized by mindless straw-man characterizations of those who do not belong to your brown-shirt club are wearying to those who would engage in thoughtful discussion about serious issues facing our nation and the globe.
Why are we not surprised to learn that you "are from the south"? Your hysterical posts, to the dismay of modern enlightened southerners (of which thank goodness, there are many) continue to reinforce the most negative stereotype of the worst of southerners as (unfortunately) "white trash." You may get 100% agreement from the KKK and White Citizens' Councils about your endless diatribe. Until the 1960s, we heard political sentiments identical to your posts from entrenched southern (white) Democrats.
When, in the 1960s, the Democratic party finally came out for racial justice and against segregation, the "Dixiecrats" left the party and were welcomed with open arms by the Republican party where they became its most extreme right-wing branch. So they are to this day. If you want to know the most outrageous racist views of the Republican party, just look to Southern Republicans.
BTW, I always welcome newbies to the board, so welcome aboard. I hope you soon will make even one informational post about mongering which is of any real value to practitioners of the hobby, and to the primary focus on this board... (Whinings about providers other than your own color do not count.)
Finally, thanks for the smile you provide us when we read the closing words of your reactionary diatribe:
"Typical LIB!!! "You suck" what is that all about. [sic] OHHH! i [sic] forgot #11
11. Are to [sic] stupid to make reasonable arguements [sic] to support your POV.
Oops forgot who I was writing this too [sic] POV = Point Of View.
WHAT?
Your sudden but endless flood of posts, characterized by mindless straw-man characterizations of those who do not belong to your brown-shirt club are wearying to those who would engage in thoughtful discussion about serious issues facing our nation and the globe.
Why are we not surprised to learn that you "are from the south"? Your hysterical posts, to the dismay of modern enlightened southerners (of which thank goodness, there are many) continue to reinforce the most negative stereotype of the worst of southerners as (unfortunately) "white trash." You may get 100% agreement from the KKK and White Citizens' Councils about your endless diatribe. Until the 1960s, we heard political sentiments identical to your posts from entrenched southern (white) Democrats.
When, in the 1960s, the Democratic party finally came out for racial justice and against segregation, the "Dixiecrats" left the party and were welcomed with open arms by the Republican party where they became its most extreme right-wing branch. So they are to this day. If you want to know the most outrageous racist views of the Republican party, just look to Southern Republicans.
BTW, I always welcome newbies to the board, so welcome aboard. I hope you soon will make even one informational post about mongering which is of any real value to practitioners of the hobby, and to the primary focus on this board... (Whinings about providers other than your own color do not count.)
Finally, thanks for the smile you provide us when we read the closing words of your reactionary diatribe:
WHAT?Born and Bread in Boston MA A-Hole ...
You have no idea what color my skin is, here is a hint ... I only date black womem and married a black woman.
I doubt you were even alive in the 60's.
Doubt you even know it was the southern democraps that wanted slavery.
It was repbublicans that freed the slaves and it was WHITE southern democraps that attempted to enslave them for another 100 years.
The WHITE democraps, desperate for that black vote had no choice in 1965.
Don't welcome me. It means nothing to me coming from you.
I will post as I please and have contributed to the board and don't give a rats ass of your opion of me.
Kudos to Bbrenham!
The left can't ever seem to respond in a civil manner, they usually resort to insults and attacks.
So much for Hope & Change and reaching across the aisle - just campaign rhetoric.
So Giani decides to attack me because I posted several times in one day.
Interesting that the attack is towards me when BostonAmp posts the typical liberal remarks. I went through and gathered these from his 5 or 6 posts on 6/27.
Lou Pritchett scares me because he is a bigoted son of a *****.
You birthers are a bunch of ignorant sluts.
The difference is that the white evangelists are generally ignorant bastards.
He looks just like Rush--who is also a drug-addled delusional son of a *****.
1. You suck
2. You think Sarah once had an original thought.
3. You think Rush is not a drug addict
Real intelligent stuf huh?
Typical uneducated liberal democrap. Just like you Giani ... typical.
Very few with any real info it seems he likes to add commentary to other's posts. So I have SO MUCH RESPECT for Mr. Senior member. Here are some of his useless posts that we are all suposed to bow and thank him for.
"What a find. Was her service as excellent as her appearance and demeanor?
Wow. Thanks for posting the pic. Got any more? How about a few screen captures if you have video?
Giani"
"Tineye reverse image comes up with two different commercial sites which have the identical pictures to those used by "Natalia" in her BP ad.
That should answer your question. Hot pix, but you guessed it, TGTBT. Rip off or worse is what you will doubtless get from her. "
"Some of the early pix are disappearing from the board, so I am reposting an adjusted image of a fabulous SW in Cincinnati' Over-the-Rhine district.
I am hoping that other mongers, should they see posted images which they view as artistic, would post them on this board.
Giani"
"MrJose:
I took the liberty of reposting your picture of the HOTTIE in a little black skirt, ass cheeks and high heels sandals on "Mongers' Pix as Art. Here it is:
http://www.Usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php? P=1014929#post1014929
I hope that others, as they see unusually fine images, would repost them to that site!
Giani"
Wow! So much information and helpful comments.
Practice what you preach A hole. Ohhh! Thats right, you are a liberal democrap that would be impossible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdKmc9aBELM
Just wanted to let you know today I received my stimulus package for 2010.
It contained two watermelon seeds, cornbread mix, and 10 coupons to KFC.
The directions were in Spanish.
Hope you get yours soon!,,Check your mail box.
What is in a name. Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO-_DTzUpbM&NR=1&feature=fvwp
OMG,
We have a Muslim extremist for a president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE9mZCRX2mg&feature=related
Politics are fine. Let's keep race completely out of this as it has no place in this discussion.
Our President's race doesn't matter, his Policies do.
(Oh, and I know, you'll say it's 'just a joke', but I don't care; and it makes you look ignorant saying it, and immediately undermines your credibility.)
Wallie
Just wanted to let you know today I received my stimulus package for 2010.
It contained two watermelon seeds, cornbread mix, and 10 coupons to KFC.
The directions were in Spanish.
Hope you get yours soon!,,Check your mail box.
Politics are fine. Let's keep race completely out of this as it has no place in this discussion.
Our President's race doesn't matter, his Policies do.
(Oh, and I know, you'll say it's 'just a joke', but I don't care; and it makes you look ignorant saying it, and immediately undermines your credibility.)
WallieWhere was race mentioned?
White Devil
07-17-10, 10:08
Just how many folks really pay attention to what is true and what is not?
Please read this enirely.
In case you have forgotten. But no. Lets drill 50 miles off shore and 5 miles down.
OIL. You better sit down.
Here's an interesting read, important and verifiable information:
About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. Was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil does the USA have in the ground? " Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together. " Please read below.
The USA Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme eastern Montana. Check THIS out:
http://bakkenshale.net/bakkenshalemap.html
The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay, and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable. At $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5. 3 trillion.
"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea. " says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.
"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years, " reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin, but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken. ' It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada. For years, USA oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves. And we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!
That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should. Because it's from 2006!
USA Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World
Stansberry Report Online. 4/20/2006
Hidden 1, 000 feet beneath the surfac e of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?
They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.
Here are the official estimates:
- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
- 18-times as much oil as Iraq
- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait
- 22-times as much oil as Iran
- 500-times as much oil as Yemen
- and it's all right here in the Western United States.
HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy. WHY?
James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East.more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.
Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price. Even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace,. It has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?
Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:
Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices. By doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to every one in your address book.
By the way. This is all true. Check it out at the link below!
GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind.
By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!!
GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911 <"">http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911 <http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911> >
"Americans" will love it . . .
America haters will hate it.
Because they do not belive what this Great Country was founded on!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=JVAhr4hZDJE&vq=medium
Where was race mentioned?Oh yes, a brilliant move by the democraps. Get somebody with darker skin in the office of President and whenever there is push back, pull the race card.
If it was a hispanic, it would be the same thing. Remember the "smart latino woman"?
It is OK to call Bush a dumb cracker but we will never know if he is smarter than Bama cause Bama won't release his education records.
So when his buddy Gates gets busted because of his "color" Bama spouts out how stupid the Cambridge Police are and accuses them of racism. Why don't that dumb SOB sue Cambridge just like Arizona? Cause he is wrong. Believe me I spent many years Liberaland (Cambridge) and the Cambridge police do not discriminate. They will arrest anybody. Even black people!
Lets not forget the "black pussycats" otherwise known as panthers.
I wonder if race had anything to do with that case being dropped.
I suspect some folks in the justice deptartment will looking for work.
Don't worry, NAACP or ACLU will hire them.
You take a white cop who is doing his job tazing a black guy who is non-complient. Even here in Texas, the great 'WHITE" south!
Even with a BLACK police chief in charge, the so called "justice for all" groups still cry it was race even though witnesses say he went for the cops gun during the struggle. No, thats not good enough for the community organizers! The police chief is an "Uncle T" they shout! He has been too close to the whites in charge of the city. Unreal since I think that white on the city council are now out numbered by other races.
How come the asian community never cries out racism whenever they arrest one them that went whacko! Where are the comminity organizers!
I think I understand Lurker X's intention with his comments. He got the exact reaction out of A John that he was looking for.
Take the "make my country poor plan" otherwise know as the "universal health care plan". If you are against that then you hate blacks and hispanics. I happen to love KFC, Watermellon and cornbread!
If you are against strong borders then you are a "hispanic hater"! This completely insults the Canadians. They want to be hated equally along with everyone else.
Then take people like Gianni, bostonamericanhater and others. They assume I am some southern white guy that loves the KKK. These days in the south, if you are a black guy and go into a predominantely white bar, you will be treated like everybody else. Try being a white guy going into one of the black bars. See how well that works out. I have seen white guys get run out of black strips clubs in Florida. I have seen them turned away at the door in other cities.
All I am trying to say is that we should hate equally and fairly and it seems like the WHITE MAN is getting all the hate, so please, lets try to spread the hatred around folks!
Oh yes, a brilliant move by the democraps. Get somebody with darker skin in the office of President and whenever there is push back, pull the race card.
If it was a hispanic, it would be the same thing. Remember the "smart latino woman"?
It is OK to call Bush a dumb cracker but we will never know if he is smarter than Bama cause Bama won't release his education records.
So when his buddy Gates gets busted because of his "color" Bama spouts out how stupid the Cambridge Police are and accuses them of racism. Why don't that dumb SOB sue Cambridge just like Arizona? Cause he is wrong. Believe me I spent many years Liberaland (Cambridge) and the Cambridge police do not discriminate. They will arrest anybody. Even black people!
Lets not forget the "black pussycats" otherwise known as panthers.
I wonder if race had anything to do with that case being dropped.
I suspect some folks in the justice deptartment will looking for work.
Don't worry, NAACP or ACLU will hire them.
You take a white cop who is doing his job tazing a black guy who is non-complient. Even here in Texas, the great 'WHITE" south!
Even with a BLACK police chief in charge, the so called "justice for all" groups still cry it was race even though witnesses say he went for the cops gun during the struggle. No, thats not good enough for the community organizers! The police chief is an "Uncle T" they shout! He has been too close to the whites in charge of the city. Unreal since I think that white on the city council are now out numbered by other races.
How come the asian community never cries out racism whenever they arrest one them that went whacko! Where are the comminity organizers!
I think I understand Lurker X's intention with his comments. He got the exact reaction out of A John that he was looking for.
Take the "make my country poor plan" otherwise know as the "universal health care plan". If you are against that then you hate blacks and hispanics. I happen to love KFC, Watermellon and cornbread!
If you are against strong borders then you are a "hispanic hater"! This completely insults the Canadians. They want to be hated equally along with everyone else.
Then take people like Gianni, bostonamericanhater and others. They assume I am some southern white guy that loves the KKK. These days in the south, if you are a black guy and go into a predominantely white bar, you will be treated like everybody else. Try being a white guy going into one of the black bars. See how well that works out. I have seen white guys get run out of black strips clubs in Florida. I have seen them turned away at the door in other cities.
All I am trying to say is that we should hate equally and fairly and it seems like the WHITE MAN is getting all the hate, so please, lets try to spread the hatred around folks!Picture Of The Year.
This entire debacle was debunked years ago:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/87888
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/print_are_anti-drilling_forces_blocking_access_to_the.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-2950-Denver-Energy-Industry-Examiner~y2009m3d16-Reports-of-Bakken-Shale-oil-reserves-are-the-stuff-of-urban-legends
Just how many folks really pay attention to what is true and what is not?
Please read this enirely.
In case you have forgotten. But no. Lets drill 50 miles off shore and 5 miles down.
OIL. You better sit down.
ARegularGuy
07-21-10, 15:44
Okay so what was this country founded on?
Your video makes a great case for going back 9 years and putting the true winner of the 2000 election in office.....if many believe all this dribble, we are all in trouble.
ARG
"Americans" will love it . . .
America haters will hate it.
Because they do not belive what this Great Country was founded on!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=JVAhr4hZDJE&vq=medium
Okay so what was this country founded on?
Your video makes a great case for going back 9 years and putting the true winner of the 2000 election in office.....if many believe all this dribble, we are all in trouble.
ARGHmm, the Flordia secretary of state did not buy the hanging chad arguement. Imagine that! He/She felt that it was unreasonabe for vote counters to determine that the voter might have meant to vote for someone else.
Please, it was upheld by every court and eventually the supreme court.
Great Pic LX !! Made me laugh.
This entire debacle was debunked years ago:
[/url]Probably over estimated but as better sonar and other wave based scanning devices are developed more accurate accounts will come.
This oil is trapped in shale that is at least 1000 ft thick.
The plan is to use everyone else's oil up first. We get 64% of our imported oil from Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico and Chaves-stien.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=oil_home#tab2
The damn greenies are screwing it all up!!! We need to buy all the oil while it is cheap and accessible. When it becomes scarce, the price per barrell will skyrocket! Thats when you drill 15 miles laterally without losing your shirt.
Let the friggin Swiss and the Danes figure out how to mass produce ethanol from bacteria.So Drill baby drill. No friggin way. Lets buy it from Canada and Mexico like we do now.
Chris Christie for President!
http://www.personalliberty.com/feature-video/gov-chris-christier-nj-puts-a-liberal-reporter-in-his-place/
In honor of the 44th President of the United States, Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream has introduced a new flavor: "Barocky Road. "
Barocky Road is a blend of half vanilla, half chocolate, and surrounded by nuts and flakes.
The vanilla portion of the mix is not openly advertised and usually denied as an ingredient.
The nuts and flakes are all very bitter and hard to swallow.
The cost is $100. 00 per scoop, two scoop minimum.
When purchased it will be presented to you in a large, beautiful cone.
The ice cream will then be taken away from you and given to the person in line behind you, at no charge. You will also be required to buy ice cream for their entire family if they will not work or are here illegally.
You are left holding an empty cone, with no hope of getting any ice cream, and your wallet is empty, but you did get the "change" that was promised.
Are you stimulated yet?
I find it amuzing that libs come and spew BS like a backed up toilet and disappear as if they were flushed away.
Running like scolded dog.
***** slapped at party.
I could on and on but lots has happened since they left licking their wounds.
I suppose they are all giddy since they have total control. The side effect is this ... now everyone knows they are total idiots.
There were attempts to educate me on how the US government and law making process operates. It is amazing to me that some people actually think congress legislates and the president governs. Idiots!!
the democrap congress controlled the committees that determined what bills come to the floor. Rarely is there a bill that has so much support that it avoids committee scrutiny.
The biggest ignorance revolves around executive orders. FDR had many but he was in there for a long time during WWII so I will cut him some slack.
Clinton started it all up again, Bush did the same crap but Obama with 26 EOs has almost half as many in 1 year as Bush (63 EO) had in 8 years. It just goes to show the last 3 presidents care very little about the democratic process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders
Below is my personal favorite. The commission to study the BP incident is made up of no persons with experience in the oil and gas industry.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13543
Section 1. Establishment.
There is established the National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling (the "Commission").
Sec. 2. Membership.
(a) The Commission shall be composed of not more than 7 members who shall be appointed by the President. The members shall be drawn from among distinguished individuals, and may include those with experience in or representing the scientific, engineering, and environmental communities, the oil and gas industry, or any other area determined by the President to be of value to the Commission in carrying out its duties
Members:
Frances Beinecke is currently the President of the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), a non-profit corporation that works to advance environmental policy in the United States and across the world.
Donald “Don” Boesch is the President of the University of Maryland Center for Environmental Science, where he is also a Professor of Marine Science and Vice Chancellor for Environmental Sustainability for the University System of Maryland.
Terry D. Garcia is currently Executive Vice President for Mission Programs for the National Geographic Society. He is responsible for the Society's core mission programs, including programs that support and manage more than 400 scientific field research, conservation and exploration projects annually.
Dr. Cherry Murray was appointed the Dean of the Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS) and John A. and Elizabeth S. Armstrong Professor of Engineering and Applied Sciences in July 2009, and is currently the Past President of the American Physical Society.
Fran Ulmer is Chancellor of the University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA), Alaska’s largest public university. In addition to serving as UAA’s Chancellor, Ms. Ulmer is a member of the Aspen Institute's Commission on Arctic Climate Change and holds Board positions with the Alaska Nature Conservancy.
Apparently the annointed one forgot to add somebody with experience with deep water drilling. He must have his mind on other things like how to squash Arizona. Reports state that 100k of illegals have fled to CA and other alien friendly states. Thats 100K democratic illegal Acorn votes gone baby!
I will give Bama a thumbs up for re-establishing ethical stem cell research. I would like some day to be able grow replacement organs from my own body materials. The theory is this will reduce and even eliminate the need for anti-rejection drugs and their horrifying side affects. Bush really was an idiot on this matter.
THIS IS SERIOUS
According to this W-2, it's not a tax increase, but a redefining of income.
Obama does not think Americans are stupid,......He knows Americans are stupid.
2011 W-2 Tax Forms--Nice Surprise from our NEW Government!
2011 W-2 Tax Forms and Obamacare
If this doesn’t get you upset, frustrated, and mad, nothing will.
Should you want to verify this, go to http://www.thomas.gov/, enter "HR 3590"
in the search box and look for "CRS Summaries." This is what you'll find.
Title IX Revenue Provisions—Subtitle A: Revenue Offset
"(Sec. 9002) Requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer-sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employee's gross income (excluding the value of contributions to flexible spending arrangements)." (Written in true Lawyer Legalese!)
Endorsed, backed up, & voted for by our current elected Government Officials.......Make that regime.
Starting in 2011—next year—the W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are provided. It doesn't matter if you're retired. Your gross income WILL go up by the amount of insurance your employer paid for. So you’ll be required to pay taxes on a larger sum of money than you actually received.
Take the tax form you just finished for 2009 and see what $15,000.00 or $20,000.00 additional gross income does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many, it puts you into a much higher bracket. This is how the government is going to buy insurance for fifteen (15) percent that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.......But it's not really a "tax increase" as such, it a redefinition of your taxable income.
Also, go to Kiplinger's and read about the thirteen (13) tax changes for 2010 that could affect you.
I hope you forward this to every person in your address book. People have the right to know the truth.
An election is coming in November. So vote intelligently, based on your values.
But also adjust your tax withholding, or increase your savings, so that you aren't put in a jam when your federal income taxes are due on April 15, 2012.
OBAMA CARE: Like Nancy Pelosi said "We have to pass it to find out what's in it" How in the Hell does she function on a daily basis?
Obama is the shepherd I did not want.
He leadeth me beside the still factories.
restoreth my faith in the Republican party .
He guideth me in the path of unemployment for his party's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line, I shall fear no hunger, for his bailouts are with me.
He has anointed my income with taxes,
My expenses runneth over.
Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life,
And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.
I am glad I am American,
I am glad that I am free.
But I wish I was a dog.
And Obama was a tree.
LordBlackAdder
07-28-10, 14:13
A graduate student in Georgia is suing her university after she was told she must undergo a remediation program due to her beliefs on homosexuality and transgendered persons.
The student, Jennifer Keeton, 24, has been pursuing a master’s degree in school counseling at Augusta State University since 2009, but school officials have informed her that she’ll be dismissed from the program unless she alters her “central religious beliefs on human nature and conduct,” according to a civil complaint filed last week.
“[Augusta State University] faculty have promised to expel Miss Keeton from the graduate Counselor Education Program not because of poor academic showing or demonstrated deficiencies in clinical performance, but simply because she has communicated both inside and outside the classroom that she holds to Christian ethical convictions on matters of human sexuality and gender identity,” the 43-page lawsuit reads.
Keeton, according to the lawsuit, was informed by school officials in late May that she would be asked to take part in a remediation plan due to faculty concerns regarding her beliefs pertaining to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender issues.
“The faculty identifies Miss Keeton’s views as indicative of her improper professional disposition to persons of such populations,” the lawsuit reads.
The remediation plan, according to the lawsuit, noted Keeton’s “disagreement in several class discussions and in written assignments with the gay and lesbian ‘lifestyle,’” as well as Keeton’s belief that those “lifestyles” are cases of identity confusion.
If Keeton fails to complete the plan, including additional reading and the writing of papers describing the impact on her beliefs, she will be expelled from the Counselor Education Program, the lawsuit claims.
Keeton has stated that she believes sexual behavior is the “result of accountable personal choice rather than an inevitability deriving from deterministic forces,” according to the suit.
“She also has affirmed binary male-female gender, with one or the other being fixed in each person at their creation, and not a social construct or individual choice subject to alteration by the person so created,” the lawsuit reads. “Further, she has expressed her view that homosexuality is a ‘lifestyle,’ not a ‘state of being.’”
In a statement to FoxNews.com, Augusta State University officials declined to comment specifically on the litigation, but said the university does not discriminate on the basis of students’ moral, religious, political or personal views or beliefs.
Okay so what was this country founded on?
Your video makes a great case for going back 9 years and putting the true winner of the 2000 election in office.....if many believe all this dribble, we are all in trouble.
ARGIt is official, Irregular guy is an america hater.
Great writings LurkerX!
Lord B. That is a classic story, the first Bush made it a crime to discriminate based on a medical condition but I don't remember anything about equal rights for gays and lesbians. I do know it is illegal beat someone for being gay, that is covered under hate laws but there has yet to be a law passed that gives them the right to work anywhere or join any group. I would suppose a shrink would be able to refuse to council them.
If any libs out there dare to challenge, just remember the boy scouts were able to keep the gays out. It went all the way to the supreme court. That issue is done, and so will the University's budget once she gets done suing them.
I have nothing against gays but I don't make out with my wife in public so when I take my kids to the water park I don't want to see girls kissing girls or boys kissing boys. That crap belongs at adult only venues. I don't appreciate being forced to explain to my kids why two girls are kissing. I tell them they are just suffering from a brain injury or are liberals.
Now when I am not with my kids, and there are no kids around the girls can swallow each others tongues all they want just so long as they don't mind me watching and jerking off.
545 PEOPLE -- By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them..
Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits..... The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red ..
If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan...
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power..
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.
Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...
We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.
What you do with this article now that you have read it......... Is up to you.
This might be funny if it weren't so true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table,
At which he's fed.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.
Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid...
Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax!
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Sales Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not ONE of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What in the heck happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'
President Obama Supports 'Ground Zero Mosque'
Your pissing in America's face and you will never convinced me it is rain!
Who didn't see that coming........
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/president-obama-supports-ground-zero-mosque/19593492
President Obama Supports 'Ground Zero Mosque'
Your pissing in America's face and you will never convinced me it is rain!
Who didn't see that coming.
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/president-obama-supports-ground-zero-mosque/19593492That son of a B1tch we have for President is selling off the country to the Muslims.
Everyday in America Churches are denied permits to build because of their influences and tax status, NYC is suppose to be in such need of tax revenues but they will let a tax exempt high rise be built for under cover terrorist activities.
"LET ME BE CLEAR", President Barrack "Hussein" Obama is fully owned and supported by the Saudi family and their cohorts in the Muslim global domination movement, G61.
Great ideas in theory. Just one problem, human nature. I am sure many of you read this before but I felt ampfan and mr irregualr should read it again.
This teacher is truly a genius!
As the late Adrian Rogers said, "you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." This man is truly a genius!
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had once failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".
All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
Could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this on) Remember, there is a test coming up. The mid-term election in 2010!
I can sleep much better at night now knowing our Federal Government is on top of matters.
Not!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXfXuk6aWJc
That son of a B1tch we have for President is selling off the country to the Muslims.
Everyday in America Churches are denied permits to build because of their influences and tax status, NYC is suppose to be in such need of tax revenues but they will let a tax exempt high rise be built for under cover terrorist activities.
"LET ME BE CLEAR", President Barrack "Hussein" Obama is fully owned and supported by the Saudi family and their cohorts in the Muslim global domination movement, G61.
What a joke,a monger concerned about church rights. Help, they'd have you in jail in a heartbeat.
But the real clenched here is that you totally ignore the Saudi ownership of g.h.w. bush and son. Not just Saudi but business partners with the bin Ladins. And let's not forget who allowed Osama to get away.
What a joke, a monger concerned about church rights. Help, they'd have you in jail in a heartbeat.
But the real clenched here is that you totally ignore the Saudi ownership of GHW Bush and son. Not just Saudi but business partners with the bin Ladins. And let's not forget who allowed Osama to get away.True, it was the criminality of the Bush years that secured the Saudi's control over our economy and eventually our society, And gave us a Leftist lunatic like Obama.
It really doesn't matter who gets the vote anymore, We can change players but the game remains the same.
Laura Bush was a twit and a Liberal cvnt, But she was still head and shoulders above the present ghetto shank, Michael Obama.
What a joke,a monger concerned about church rights. Help, they'd have you in jail in a heartbeat.
But the real clenched here is that you totally ignore the Saudi ownership of g.h.w. bush and son. Not just Saudi but business partners with the bin Ladins. And let's not forget who allowed Osama to get away.Last I checked it was Clinton that had the exact location of that bastard Bin Laden but failed to order anyone to pull the trigger.
BTW, the Greek Orthodox Church was there on 911 and it was destroyed but city of NY has decided to not allow it to be rebuilt but then sides with allowing the mosk to be built.
The MUSLIM owner was waiter a year ago but suddenly had 5 million buck to purchase the property and nodbody thinks that is odd! If it were you and I the IRS would be all over us trying to procecute for tax evasion.
Something stinks here and it aint the smell of pussy coming from the Bronx!
Laura Bush was a twit and a Liberal cvnt, But she was still head and shoulders above the present ghetto shank, Michael Obama.
Laura Bush was no liberal.
At least Michelle isn't a stepford wife.
Would it make you feel better if Obama wore a cowboy hat like King Reagan?
That son of a B1tch we have for President is selling off the country to the Muslims.
Everyday in America Churches are denied permits to build because of their influences and tax status, NYC is suppose to be in such need of tax revenues but they will let a tax exempt high rise be built for under cover terrorist activities.
"LET ME BE CLEAR", President Barrack "Hussein" Obama is fully owned and supported by the Saudi family and their cohorts in the Muslim global domination movement, G61.
There is nothing left to sell.
GWB sold it already.
How quickly we forget.
http://earthhopenetwork.net/bush_kisses_saudi_king.jpg
http://www.beersteak.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bush-hand-holding-saudi-queen.jpg
In just 5 months, on January 1, 2011, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect.
They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves.
On January 1, 2011, here's what happens. (read it to the end, so you see all three waves).
First Wave:
Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief
In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families.
These will all expire on January 1, 2011.
Personal income tax rates will rise.
The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39. 6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed).
The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent.
All the rates in between will also rise.
Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates.
The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:
The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%
The 25% bracket rises to 28%
The 28% bracket rises to 31%
The 33% bracket rises to 36%
The 35% bracket rises to 39. 6%
Higher taxes on marriage and family.
The "marriage penalty" (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income.
The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child.
The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level.
The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut.
The return of the Death Tax.
This year only, there is no death tax. (Its a quirk!) For those dying on or after January 1, 2011, there is a 55 percent
Top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes, a business, a retirement account, could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones. Think of the farmers who don't make much money, but their land, which they purchased years ago with after-tax dollars, is now worth a lot of money. Their children will have to sell the farm, which may be their livelihood, just to pay the estate tax if they don't have the cash sitting around to pay the tax. Think about your own familys assets. Maybe your family owns real estate, or a business that doesn't make much money, but the building and equipment are worth $1 million. Upon their death, you can inherit the $1 million business tax free, but if they own a home, stock, cash worth $500K on top of the $1 million business, then you will owe the government $275, 000 cash! Thats 55% of the value of the assets over $1 million! Do you have that kind of cash sitting around waiting to pay the estate tax?
Higher tax rates on savers and investors.
The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011.
The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39. 6 percent in 2011.
These rates will rise another 3. 8 percent in 2013.
Second Wave:
Obamacare
There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:
The "Medicine Cabinet Tax"
Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).
The "Special Needs Kids Tax"
This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children.
There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education.
Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D. C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14, 000 per year.
Under tax rules, FSA dollars can not be used to pay for this type of special needs education.
The HSA (Health Savings Account) Withdrawal Tax Hike.
This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAsand other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.
Third Wave:
The Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) and Employer Tax Hikes
When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they'll be in for a nasty surprise-the AMT won't be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired.
The major items include:
The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year.
According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress' failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families-rising from 4 million last year to 28. 5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.
Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear.
Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or "depreciate") equipment purchases up to $250, 000.
This will be cut all the way down to $25, 000. Larger businesses can currently expense half of their purchases of equipment.
In January of 2011, all of it will have to be "depreciated. "
Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses.
There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the "research and experimentation tax credit, " but there are many, many others.combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.
Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced.
The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available.
Tax credits for education will be limited.
Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses.
Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut.
Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed.
The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.
Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed.
Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100, 000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA.
This contribution also counts toward an annual "required minimum distribution. " This ability will no longer be there.
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And worse yet?
Now, your insurance will be INCOME on your W2's!
One of the surprises we'll find come next year, is what follows.. A little "surprise" that 99% of us had no idea was included in the "new and improved" healthcare legislation... The dupes, er, dopes, who backed this administration will be astonished!
Starting in 2011, (next year folks), your W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or governmental body of some sort.
If you're retired? So what. Your gross will go up by the amount of insurance you get.
You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen. Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15, 000 or $20, 000 additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year.
For many, it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.
This is how the government is going to buy insurance for the15% that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.
Not believing this? Here is a research of the summaries.
On page 25 of 29: TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS-(sec. 9001,
As modified by sec. 10901) Sec. 9002 "requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employees gross income. "
- Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters.
- Go to Kiplingers and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 is what is above.
Laura Bush was no liberal.
At least Michelle isn't a stepford wife.
Would it make you feel better if Obama wore a cowboy hat like King Reagan?Laura Bush expressed how she was delighted with the appointment of
Sonia Sotomayor, Laura Bush is a Liberal at heart.
And yes, I always think it's a hoot when Black folks wear a cowboy hat. :D
Laura Bush expressed how she was delighted with the appointment of
Sonia Sotomayor, Laura Bush is a Liberal at heart.
And yes, I always think it's a hoot when Black folks wear a cowboy hat. :D
I bet if you're ever busted for soliciting, you'll be praying for a liberal judge.
Last I checked it was Clinton that had the exact location of that bastard Bin Laden but failed to order anyone to pull the trigger.
Either you haven't checked in a long, long, long while, or you just want to look the other way. Bush let Osama get away.
BTW, the Greek Orthodox Church was there on 911 and it was destroyed but city of NY has decided to not allow it to be rebuilt but then sides with allowing the mosk to be built.
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If this is anything like your other "facts" we can dismiss this statement also.
[QUOTE]The MUSLIM owner was waiter a year ago but suddenly had 5 million buck to purchase the property and nodbody thinks that is odd! If it were you and I the IRS would be all over us trying to procecute for tax evasion.
Something stinks here and it aint the smell of pussy coming from the Bronx!
Yeah, I'm sure you know his entire life story. I bet you knew Shirley Sherrod'sife story too.
Hey, where does Trump get all his financing? Seems he was broke and then he's rolling in cash. Hey, where did GW get all his money? Not from his Dad - don't hand me that. We KNOW he got money from the Arabs. Where's the outrage?
Last I checked it was Clinton that had the exact location of that bastard Bin Laden but failed to order anyone to pull the trigger.
Either you haven't checked in a long, long, long while, or you just want to look the other way. Bush let Osama get away.
BTW, the Greek Orthodox Church was there on 911 and it was destroyed but city of NY has decided to not allow it to be rebuilt but then sides with allowing the mosk to be built.
[/QOUTE]
If this is anything like your other "facts" we can dismiss this statement also.
[QUOTE]The MUSLIM owner was waiter a year ago but suddenly had 5 million buck to purchase the property and nodbody thinks that is odd! If it were you and I the IRS would be all over us trying to procecute for tax evasion.
Something stinks here and it aint the smell of pussy coming from the Bronx!
Yeah, I'm sure you know his entire life story. I bet you knew Shirley Sherrod'sife story too.
Hey, where does Trump get all his financing? Seems he was broke and then he's rolling in cash. Hey, where did GW get all his money? Not from his Dad - don't hand me that. We KNOW he got money from the Arabs. Where's the outrage?
I bet if you're ever busted for soliciting, you'll be praying for a liberal judge.I'll bet that if an illegal immigrant, driving drunk, with out insurance,totals your car and leaves you a cripple, then shows up in court with a liberal attorney that want's to let him go free, you'll want a more conservative judge. :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gKO0yQGe_0
Ron Weasley
09-02-10, 06:41
I remember when Rick Sanchez was an anchor on channel 7 in Miami.
That guy freaks out about anything. I remember one day he freaked out because a Garbage Truck backed into a light pole in North Miami. That was really funny to me since it was in a residential area and him and channel 7 decided to fly the chopper over to show everyone.
Honestly. I didn't even know he was around anymore.... he still looks like an asshole though....
Butt Hunter II
09-02-10, 10:21
In just 5 months, on January 1, 2011, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect.
They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves.
On January 1, 2011, here's what happens. (read it to the end, so you see all three waves).
First Wave:
Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief
In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families.
These will all expire on January 1, 2011.
Personal income tax rates will rise.
The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39. 6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed).
The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent.
All the rates in between will also rise.
Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates.
The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:
The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%
The 25% bracket rises to 28%
The 28% bracket rises to 31%
The 33% bracket rises to 36%
The 35% bracket rises to 39. 6%
Higher taxes on marriage and family.
The "marriage penalty" (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income.
The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child.
The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level.
The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut.
The return of the Death Tax.
This year only, there is no death tax. (Its a quirk!) For those dying on or after January 1, 2011, there is a 55 percent
Top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes, a business, a retirement account, could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones. Think of the farmers who don't make much money, but their land, which they purchased years ago with after-tax dollars, is now worth a lot of money. Their children will have to sell the farm, which may be their livelihood, just to pay the estate tax if they don't have the cash sitting around to pay the tax. Think about your own familys assets. Maybe your family owns real estate, or a business that doesn't make much money, but the building and equipment are worth $1 million. Upon their death, you can inherit the $1 million business tax free, but if they own a home, stock, cash worth $500K on top of the $1 million business, then you will owe the government $275, 000 cash! Thats 55% of the value of the assets over $1 million! Do you have that kind of cash sitting around waiting to pay the estate tax?
Higher tax rates on savers and investors.
The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011.
The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39. 6 percent in 2011.
These rates will rise another 3. 8 percent in 2013.
Second Wave:
Obamacare
There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:
The "Medicine Cabinet Tax"
Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).
The "Special Needs Kids Tax"
This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children.
There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education.
Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D. C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14, 000 per year.
Under tax rules, FSA dollars can not be used to pay for this type of special needs education.
The HSA (Health Savings Account) Withdrawal Tax Hike.
This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAsand other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.
Third Wave:
The Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) and Employer Tax Hikes
When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they'll be in for a nasty surprise-the AMT won't be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired.
The major items include:
The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year.
According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress' failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families-rising from 4 million last year to 28. 5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.
Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear.
Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or "depreciate") equipment purchases up to $250, 000.
This will be cut all the way down to $25, 000. Larger businesses can currently expense half of their purchases of equipment.
In January of 2011, all of it will have to be "depreciated. "
Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses.
There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the "research and experimentation tax credit, " but there are many, many others.combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.
Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced.
The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available.
Tax credits for education will be limited.
Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses.
Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut.
Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed.
The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.
Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed.
Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100, 000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA.
This contribution also counts toward an annual "required minimum distribution. " This ability will no longer be there.
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And worse yet?
Now, your insurance will be INCOME on your W2's!
One of the surprises we'll find come next year, is what follows.. A little "surprise" that 99% of us had no idea was included in the "new and improved" healthcare legislation... The dupes, er, dopes, who backed this administration will be astonished!
Starting in 2011, (next year folks), your W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or governmental body of some sort.
If you're retired? So what. Your gross will go up by the amount of insurance you get.
You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen. Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15, 000 or $20, 000 additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year.
For many, it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.
This is how the government is going to buy insurance for the15% that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.
Not believing this? Here is a research of the summaries.
On page 25 of 29: TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS-(sec. 9001,
As modified by sec. 10901) Sec. 9002 "requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employees gross income. "
- Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters.
- Go to Kiplingers and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 is what is above.
God you guys are gullible.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/04/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-said-democrats-planning-largest-tax/
Butt Hunter II
09-02-10, 10:22
Laura Bush was a twit and a Liberal cvnt, But she was still head and shoulders above the present ghetto shank, Michael Obama.
Last I heard Michelle didn't kill anyone.
Butt Hunter II
09-02-10, 11:19
THIS IS SERIOUS
According to this W-2, it's not a tax increase, but a redefining of income.
Obama does not think Americans are stupid,......He knows Americans are stupid.
2011 W-2 Tax Forms--Nice Surprise from our NEW Government!
2011 W-2 Tax Forms and Obamacare
If this doesn’t get you upset, frustrated, and mad, nothing will.
Should you want to verify this, go to http://www.thomas.gov/, enter "HR 3590"
in the search box and look for "CRS Summaries." This is what you'll find.
Title IX Revenue Provisions—Subtitle A: Revenue Offset
"(Sec. 9002) Requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer-sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employee's gross income (excluding the value of contributions to flexible spending arrangements)." (Written in true Lawyer Legalese!)
Endorsed, backed up, & voted for by our current elected Government Officials.......Make that regime.
Starting in 2011—next year—the W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are provided. It doesn't matter if you're retired. Your gross income WILL go up by the amount of insurance your employer paid for. So you’ll be required to pay taxes on a larger sum of money than you actually received.
Take the tax form you just finished for 2009 and see what $15,000.00 or $20,000.00 additional gross income does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many, it puts you into a much higher bracket. This is how the government is going to buy insurance for fifteen (15) percent that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.......But it's not really a "tax increase" as such, it a redefinition of your taxable income.
Also, go to Kiplinger's and read about the thirteen (13) tax changes for 2010 that could affect you.
I hope you forward this to every person in your address book. People have the right to know the truth.
An election is coming in November. So vote intelligently, based on your values.
But also adjust your tax withholding, or increase your savings, so that you aren't put in a jam when your federal income taxes are due on April 15, 2012.
OBAMA CARE: Like Nancy Pelosi said "We have to pass it to find out what's in it" How in the Hell does she function on a daily basis?
Again you are proved a dupe. Instead of believing every chain e mail sent to you, take a minute and check the facts. People like you are the reason Americans are considered ignorant by most other countries.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jun/10/chain-email/w-2-tax-forms-hr-3590-health-insurance-pay-taxes/
Again you are proved a dupe. Instead of believing every chain e mail sent to you, take a minute and check the facts. People like you are the reason Americans are considered ignorant by most other countries.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jun/10/chain-email/w-2-tax-forms-hr-3590-health-insurance-pay-taxes/We'll see, the tax bill for 2011 is still being worked over.
But if I were to bet on it, I'd say that the Federal Government will find a way to tax your health care deductions.
Especially if Obama Care blossoms.
Last I heard Michelle didn't kill anyone.Not that we know of, But what goes on in Chicago stays in Chicago.
And young Michael Douglas (not the actor) was driving a Corviar sedan when then 17 y.o. Laura "Welch" ran a stop sign.
Anyone who drives a rear engine car is asking to be killed.
God you guys are gullible.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/04/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-said-democrats-planning-largest-tax/Whatever the Federal taxes on the middle class will be, it's going to screw up the economy even more.
If you trust the current bunch of Washington Democrats and the illegitimate President to do the right thing, then you're the gullible one.
Either you haven't checked in a long, long, long while, or you just want to look the other way. Bush let Osama get away.
If this is anything like your other "facts" we can dismiss this statement also.
Yeah, I'm sure you know his entire life story. I bet you knew Shirley Sherrod'sife story too.
Hey, where does Trump get all his financing? Seems he was broke and then he's rolling in cash. Hey, where did GW get all his money? Not from his Dad. Don't hand me that. We KNOW he got money from the Arabs. Where's the outrage?Where do you get this crap?
Clinton let Obama slip away at least three times that we know about. Evem the liberal LA Times reported it.
"The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him-monitoring all his activities and associates.
But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.
In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to USA pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere.
Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the USA to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim"
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm
The Bush family was wealthy even before George W was born. You compare a man (Trump) that built wealth over decades with a muslim waiter that suddenly had millions?! Part time waiter part time rental agent and he musters 4. 1 million in a little over a year. Maybe the Bush's gave him all the money they got from the Arabs.
Your a typical lib, distoring the truth and comparing apples to oranges.
You don't post links. Just crap. Move to Saudi Arabia.
Just google "muslim waiter" you will get 250, 00 hits.
Oh I forgot, your a lazy, worthless lib, let me make it easy, the link to the results page is below.
http://www.Google.com/#hl=en&q=muslim+waiter+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=fbb82a6afec8c3ff
Again you are proved a dupe. Instead of believing every chain e mail sent to you, take a minute and check the facts. People like you are the reason Americans are considered ignorant by most other countries.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jun/10/chain-email/w-2-tax-forms-hr-3590-health-insurance-pay-taxes/True, it is a change in the form to display what portion of your HC the employer pays. I wonder why they would want that there? Hmmm ...
Could it be that in 2018 the "Cadillac" plans will be taxed?
Have you ever heard of "imputed income" ? If your company pays for life insurance you will see a small amount of taxable income on your pay stub. Mine says "Life Ins (non-cash). They add $3.68 to my income every two weeks.
Have no doubt, this is a setup for a tax hike. Why would they force employers to start tracking this in 2011 when they won't even start taxing it until 2018? Just you wait and see what happens during the lame duck session that will begin this November. It seems real fishy to me.
Most people never even noticed the added tax (imputed income) that Clinton snuck in there very early in his reign.
They snuck in that "imputed income" just like they will try to sneak in a tax on your health insurance.
http://www.watchblog.com/republicans/archives/007204.html
President Obama’s fall from grace is unbelievable. A recent poll by a Daily Kos associated polling group indicates that even Bush is locally more popular than Obama. Bush would beat Obama 50-42 in Ohio. A state Obama won in 2008. Bush is not a popular guy. If he comes out on top of Obama, what does that say about Obama?
I am trying to figure out how this happened. The man seemed to have everything going for him. During the campaign, he seemed to be exactly the right man for the job. When he took power, Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate and Obama's disapproval rating was only 13%. Almost everybody seemed to love Obama back in January 2009.
Running the country is very different from running for president, but how can we explain his rapid fall to earth? I think it is Obama’s uncanny ability to come out against average American sensibilities. He stepped in it with the Cambridge police, with the Arizona law, with the mosque controversy. It is not that he is on the wrong side. Most people probably agree or at least accept his logic, but he expresses it poorly. He is just out of touch with ordinary Americans.
He is no Ronald Reagan
Obama lacks the generosity, the big spirit of a Ronald Reagan. Reagan laughed with us. Obama is laughing at us. You always get the feeling that he is judging you and you are not measuring up, that you are tolerated but not appreciated. I watched him yesterday talking about Iraq. He was announcing a success, but he sounded like a funeral director. No enthusiasm. He was talking down to ordinary Americans. He does that a lot.
Obama's policies are unpopular, but that doesn't explain the fall. Most Americans disagreed with many Reagan policies when he was president. Yet Reagan always gave the impression that he was one of us. When he said “we” you always knew he was talking about America and that he was proud of us – Americans, proud to be one of us - Americans. Nobody can doubt Obama’s of love of country (to paraphrase how he described GW Bush), but somehow he gives the impression that he is not in the same boat as the rest of us. His boat floats just a bit higher than ours does. He feels the need to apologize for us, for our lack of the sophistication he has so carefully cultivated. He hid this from us during the campaign, or maybe we just weren't looking very hard. We were dazzled by the golden brilliance, but it is turning out just to be brass. As Americans get to know more about Barack Obama, he seems less attractive. Despite the experience, we still don't want to give up on the hope, but it isn't looking as good anymore.
I'll bet that if an illegal immigrant, driving drunk, with out insurance,totals your car and leaves you a cripple, then shows up in court with a liberal attorney that want's to let him go free, you'll want a more conservative judge. :cool:
Driving drunk and seriously injuring someone is quite a bit different from the victimless crime which you engage in.
Plus, it makes no difference if the person is an immigrant or not.
Driving drunk and seriously injuring someone is quite a bit different from the victimless crime which you engage in.
Plus, it makes no difference if the person is an immigrant or not.Yes, Driving drunk and seriously injuring someone is different, but it happens every day.
And when someone who has entered our country illegally and has nothing you can sue them for, and your uninsured motorist coverage maxed out beyond your needs, you're basically fucked.
Then the smarmy little Haitien or what ever, who almost killed you walks around free because the Liberal Federal Government won't deport him nor jail him for reckless endangerment.
This is exactly what happened to my Buddy Rob. Maybe you remember him in my vids.
Butt Hunter II
09-03-10, 22:14
Whatever the Federal taxes on the middle class will be, it's going to screw up the economy even more.
If you trust the current bunch of Washington Democrats and the illegitimate President to do the right thing, then you're the gullible one.
You are obviously one of those "birthers". That alone removes ANY credibility from your posts.
Butt Hunter II
09-03-10, 22:16
Not that we know of, But what goes on in Chicago stays in Chicago.
And young Michael Douglas (not the actor) was driving a Corviar sedan when then 17 y.o. Laura "Welch" ran a stop sign.
Anyone who drives a rear engine car is asking to be killed.
Yeah, it must have been the car he drove, thats what did him in. Got it.
Butt Hunter II
09-03-10, 22:20
We'll see, the tax bill for 2011 is still being worked over.
But if I were to bet on it, I'd say that the Federal Government will find a way to tax your health care deductions.
Especially if Obama Care blossoms.
Geez,
Some people have to have their nose SHOVED into it before it sinks in.
"We looked up the Kiplinger letter and couldn't help noticing that the article states the following: "A requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s, beginning with W-2s for 2011. The amount reported is not considered taxable income."
Got that? "Not considered taxable income."
Geez,
Some people have to have their nose SHOVED into it before it sinks in.
"We looked up the Kiplinger letter and couldn't help noticing that the article states the following: "A requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s, beginning with W-2s for 2011. The amount reported is not considered taxable income. "
Got that? "Not considered taxable income. " Correct, it is not an increase but in 2018 the tax on "Cadillac" plans begin.
So why now are they reporting it NOW? Could it be in preparation for the lame duck session that will surely start this fall? I am sure this is in preparation for some "emergency" bill. I am certain that there is some devious intention for reporting this so soon before it becomes meaningful.
Now all it will take is an executive order to begin the tax. All the logistics are now in place for it to happen. I am also sure of one other thing.
Union health care will never be taxed but mine certainly will.
Is it America the beautiful or Obama the beautiful.
Butt Hunter II
09-05-10, 08:43
Correct, it is not an increase but in 2018 the tax on "Cadillac" plans begin.
So why now are they reporting it NOW? Could it be in preparation for the lame duck session that will surely start this fall? I am sure this is in preparation for some "emergency" bill. I am certain that there is some devious intention for reporting this so soon before it becomes meaningful.
Now all it will take is an executive order to begin the tax. All the logistics are now in place for it to happen. I am also sure of one other thing.
Union health care will never be taxed but mine certainly will.
That's not the point of the OP. He posted a page long chain e mail stating a bunch of crap as fact. I responded and pointed that out. Rather than admitting the OP was crap, you respond with more garbage about some "emergency bill" that your SURE is going to take effect this fall for some "devious reason". You guys crack me up.
Love the one about the kids.........
Is it America the beautiful or Obama the beautiful.
That's not the point of the OP. He posted a page long chain e mail stating a bunch of crap as fact. I responded and pointed that out. Rather than admitting the OP was crap, you respond with more garbage about some "emergency bill" that your SURE is going to take effect this fall for some "devious reason". You guys crack me up.My how quickly we forget.
Emergency Stimulus Bill. Don't read it just sign it dammit!
Health Care. Now that was "devious", all open discussions, no back room deals there. If there were I surely would have seen it on CSPAN cause the annointed one promised it would ALL be on CSPAN.
Obama has signed more executive orders in his first 18 months than Bush did during his entire term. If he continues on this path he will have signed more emergency orders in his term than than both Bushes and Clinton.
So don't be naive and call us paranoid as we have already seen Obama's behavior. There is not enough time list the lies.
I responded you post that way because you would not know a pile of crap even if you were standing in it. Unless of course some leftwing fruitbag told you it was crap then you would instantly recognize it as crap.
Typical Lib! Complain when you called out! You don't fight the points made. You just start calling names and use rhetiric like "garbage" and "crap". Then when someone else does it the whining and memory lapses begin.
Love the one about the kids.........Meet your new Doctor .. Dr. Liar
Some local people found a way to stop the construction of another mosque in their town.
They buried a Pig on the site, making sure this would be reported by the local press.
The Islamic superstitions forbid erecting a Mosque on "Pig soiled ground".
The moslems had to cancel the project. This land was sold to them by government officials.
No protests were needed by the local people. And It worked!
P.S. I don't care if this is a true story, or not. I just like it.
Butt Hunter II
09-06-10, 11:02
[QUOTE=Bbrenham]My how quickly we forget.
Emergency Stimulus Bill. Don't read it just sign it dammit!
Health Care. Now that was "devious", all open discussions, no back room deals there. If there were I surely would have seen it on CSPAN cause the annointed one promised it would ALL be on CSPAN.
Obama has signed more executive orders in his first 18 months than Bush did during his entire term. If he continues on this path he will have signed more emergency orders in his term than than both Bushes and Clinton.
So don't be naive and call us paranoid as we have already seen Obama's behavior. There is not enough time list the lies.
I responded you post that way because you would not know a pile of crap even if you were standing in it. Unless of course some leftwing fruitbag told you it was crap then you would instantly recognize it as crap.
Typical Lib! Complain when you called out! You don't fight the points made. You just start calling names and use rhetiric like "garbage" and "crap". Then when someone else does it the whining and memory lapses begin.[/QUOTE=
I am fully capable of recognizing a pile of crap when I see one. That is the exact reason I responded to this post as I did. As for being a typical lib, you are way off base there. Who's the one complaining here? I fought the op with facts and I won. Typical right wing dupe, when presented with the facts, deflect!
LordBlackAdder
09-06-10, 11:08
I think you mean:
Clinton let OSAMA slip away at least three times that we know about. Evem the liberal LA Times reported it.
Where do you get this crap?
Clinton let Obama slip away at least three times that we know about. Evem the liberal LA Times reported it.
"The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him-monitoring all his activities and associates.
But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.
In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to USA pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere.
Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the USA to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim"
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm
The Bush family was wealthy even before George W was born. You compare a man (Trump) that built wealth over decades with a muslim waiter that suddenly had millions?! Part time waiter part time rental agent and he musters 4. 1 million in a little over a year. Maybe the Bush's gave him all the money they got from the Arabs.
Your a typical lib, distoring the truth and comparing apples to oranges.
You don't post links. Just crap. Move to Saudi Arabia.
Just google "muslim waiter" you will get 250, 00 hits.
Oh I forgot, your a lazy, worthless lib, let me make it easy, the link to the results page is below.
http://www.Google.com/#hl=en&q=muslim+waiter+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=fbb82a6afec8c3ff
Butt Hunter II
09-06-10, 11:10
[QUOTE=Bbrenham].
Obama has signed more executive orders in his first 18 months than Bush did during his entire term. If he continues on this path he will have signed more emergency orders in his term than than both Bushes and Clinton.[QUOTE=Bbrenham].
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html
Opps- duped again by those pesky facts as usual!!!!!!!!!!!!
LordBlackAdder
09-06-10, 11:15
Some pictures of the summer of recovery.
LordBlackAdder
09-06-10, 11:27
Couple of stores here. It starts off in the UK and winds up spreading to over here. There is another posted a week or so ago in Rockford section about how a guy in the UK who cant get laid is being sent to Amsterdam at UK taxpayer expense so he can visit a brothel. http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1052239&postcount=2344
FYI a council home is public housing paid for by the taxpayers.
Mother of 10 living in three-bed council home demands TWO houses next door to each other ‘because we need more room’
A mother who lives in a three-bedroomed house with ten children and her partner has called for officials to give her two adjoining homes to accommodate her large family.
Donna Harrison said she has been asking social landlord Incommunities to allocate her family a bigger house for five years.
In response, the organisation has said it has a ‘very limited’ supply of homes with four bedrooms or more, several of which she has refused to move into.
Miss Harrison, from Bradford, moved into her home six years ago with five of the children and has since had another child.
She also cares for three other children, as well as her partner’s daughter.*
The 34-year-old, who shares a bedroom with a son, daughter and partner, said: ‘I can’t cope, there’s no room in the house for the kids.
‘I have got four girls in one box room. I have had to put a partition up in one bedroom so we don’t have boys and girls sharing together.
‘They are always fighting over the bathroom.
‘We have taken on three extra kids and no-one’s given us any help. Nobody helps at all and I don’t get anything for free, not even free school meals.
‘I have put my name down for a few places. When people have got ten kids they should knock two houses through for them.’
Her partner Fabian Bland, 41, a delivery driver, said: ‘When the children have their friends round it’s like a kindergarten in here.’
Miss Harrison was offered a choice of four four-bedroom Incommunities homes in 2008, all of which she turned down saying they were not big enough.
She was offered a large private sector property through Incommunities’ guarantee scheme, which she refused.
An Incommunities spokesman said: ‘Since the stock transfer of homes from Bradford Council in 2003, Incommunities has not carried out any conversions of two or more homes into one to accommodate the needs of a larger family with children.
‘Such a scheme would be dependent on two large adjoining homes both being available at the same time and also funding considerations.
‘We are actively working with the tenant and other agencies to help best meet the family’s individual housing needs. Unfortunately, larger family-sized homes of four bed and more are very limited.
‘We always advise people looking for rented family-sized accommodation to be flexible in terms of the location and also consider other housing providers.’
Bradford Council housing officer Andy Bebbington said: ‘We have been to visit the tenant to offer advice and support but there is a shortage of large social housing properties. We are taking steps to address this problem in the long term.’
Meanwhile someone who deserves some help is denied.
A soldier who lost a leg fighting the Taliban was told he didn’t qualify for a disabled parking badge because he might “get better”.
On three separate occasions Lance Corporal Johno Lee has been turned down by his local council.
The 27-year old, whose heart stopped twice when he injured in Afghanistan, has now had more than Ł800 in parking fines for leaving his car in disabled bays. And last month he was forced to hand over the money when a council bailiff arrived at his home threatening to take away his belongings if he didn’t pay up.
To add insult to injury Nottinghamshire County Council told him he was “young and may get better” when he first applied for a “blue badge”. Allows one to use disabled parking) “What do they expect – my leg to grow back,?” He said, “ I told them they’d didn’t quite understand the situation and it was unlikely my leg would grow back.”
His right leg was amputated below the knee after he was caught up in an explosion in Helmand Province in 2008. He has served two tours in Iraq with 2nd Battalion, the Yorkshire Regiment prior to deploying to Afghanistan. He was in a snatch Land Rover on a patrol around Gereshk when an explosion flipped it onto its side, catapulting him into a minefield. He ordered his comrades not to rescue him until it was safe, so had to spend two hours in the minefield bleeding profusely while bomb disposal experts cut a path to reach him.
He then “died” twice when his heart stopped on the helicopter taking him to Camp Bastion and on the operating table, but he was revived each time. When he returned to his home in Coddington near Newark, Notts, he applied to the county council for a blue disabled parking badge, But to his astonishment his claim was turned down – as were two further applications.
Last I heard Michelle didn't kill anyone.You didn't seem to have a problem with Ted driving drunk with Mary Jo then leaving her there to drown.
Born and Bread in Boston MA A-Hole ...I agree 100%
Does Robert KKK Byrd ring any bells? The demonrats tried to fillibuster the vote.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html
Opps- duped again by those pesky facts as usual!I don't think so, you're just a Lib posting half the facts ...
In 8 years Bush averaged 36.4 EOs.
In 1 year Obama averaged 62.
Both Clinton and Bush signed over 50 in thier first year.
So if he continued on that track that would be 248 in 4 years and 496 in 8 years.
I did however make an error regarding Clinton, he had a whopping 364 EOs and I had thought it was much less. Still if he remains on this course, he will exceed even Clinton and have more than both Bushs combined.
Lets wait and see how many he signs once Pelosi and Reed are out on thier rears and he can't pass his socialist agenda any other way.
I think you mean:
Clinton let OSAMA slip away at least three times that we know about. Evem the liberal LA Times reported it.Thanks for the correction, it is getting harder to tell Obama apart from the muslim terrorists but not that hard. However, it is true, Clinton let Osama Bin Laden get away 3 times. At least one of those times, they had the capability to deliver a missile down his throat but the order never came.
I am fully capable of recognizing a pile of crap when I see one. That is the exact reason I responded to this post as I did. As for being a typical lib, you are way off base there. Who's the one complaining here? I fought the op with facts and I won. Typical right wing dupe, when presented with the facts, deflect!Dude, you can't even figure out how to use the quote feature.
There was not a single complaint in my post.
I merely pointed out that Obama lies like any other politian and that your leftist stance is based on half-truths and re-inforced with insults.
It is the bully lliberal way, just like the unions who use thier muscle to intimidate. Now they are in financial turmoil. SEIU has mis-managed the pensions for the rank file members but the plan union leaders are is operating in a surplus.
I mention this because you need to look at your leaders from every angle otherwise you won't see them in thier true form.
Butt Hunter II
09-07-10, 17:30
[QUOTE=Butt Hunter II
Obama has signed more executive orders in his first 18 months than Bush did during his entire term. If he continues on this path he will have signed more emergency orders in his term than than both Bushes and Clinton.
I don't think so, you're just a Lib posting half the facts ...
In 8 years Bush averaged 36.4 EOs.
In 1 year Obama averaged 62.
Both Clinton and Bush signed over 50 in thier first year.
So if he continued on that track that would be 248 in 4 years and 496 in 8 years.
I did however make an error regarding Clinton, he had a whopping 364 EOs and I had thought it was much less. Still if he remains on this course, he will exceed even Clinton and have more than both Bushs combined.
Lets wait and see how many he signs once Pelosi and Reed are out on thier rears and he can't pass his socialist agenda any other way.
If you go back to your origional post, you claimed that Obama signed more EOs in his first 18 months than Bush did in his first term. AGAIN you are proved wrong, but thanks for playing.
Butt Hunter II
09-07-10, 17:32
Dude, you can't even figure out how to use the quote feature.
There was not a single complaint in my post.
I merely pointed out that Obama lies like any other politian and that your leftist stance is based on half-truths and re-inforced with insults.
It is the bully lliberal way, just like the unions who use thier muscle to intimidate. Now they are in financial turmoil. SEIU has mis-managed the pensions for the rank file members but the plan union leaders are is operating in a surplus.
I mention this because you need to look at your leaders from every angle otherwise you won't see them in thier true form.
I figured out the quote feature, too bad the same cant be said about you with spell check.
LordBlackAdder
09-07-10, 20:41
Those following President Obama’s prepared remarks during a speech in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on labor Day were thrown a bit of a curveball when it came to a description of his critics:
“Some powerful interests who had been dominating the agenda in Washington for a very long time and they’re not always happy with me. They talk about me like a dog. That’s not in my prepared remarks, but it’s true,” he told a crowd largely consisting of union members.
Obama then defecated on the carpet and took a 25 minute break from delivering his speech while he barked at a squirrel.
I do not think that is fair to compare Obama to a dog. I have been told by someone who owns a dog that a dog can be trained.
I figured out the quote feature, too bad the same cant be said about you with spell check.Now that is true! I am a horrible speller and I am to lazy to paste into word.
Butt Hunter II
09-09-10, 19:54
You didn't seem to have a problem with Ted driving drunk with Mary Jo then leaving her there to drown.
So you know what I have a problem with?
So you know what I have a problem with?1. Any Democrat being arrested for anything.
2. Religion
3. Accepting the fact that a post from the right might actually be true.
4. Fox news
5. George W and HW Bush, Reagan, Thomas Jefferson and Abe Lincoln
6. Rush L. , Glenn B., Shaun H., Mark Levine.
7. Any ideals that that don't carry progressive, liberal undertones.
8. Anybody that has worked hard and has hit the 28% tax bracket.
9. Tea Party Activist
10. Anybody that dares disagree with you, Obama or any other socialist.
I found this in the Boston AMP section but it truly shows how the liberals don't understand economics. Boston Ampfan agreed with Bos Bob's post below, no surprise there. I don't mean to offend Bob but this has the markings of liberal northerner.
It is hard to fathom why anyone would think that any type of high priced liesure activity would boom in a recession. The fact is that people stop spending money in a recession and they spend even less when they are about to be taxed into oblivian. Maybe if they repealed the Mass Mandatory Health Care everyone would have little extra to spend.
Is it really any surprise that so many have closed in liberal Boston while new ones keep popping up all over Houston?
Originally Posted by Bos Bob...
23 months ago when this recession kicked in I remember thinking about how many new women and business's would spring up to cater to our demands. I thought prices and fee's would level out and maybe even go down with new competition and service quality may improve. I could not be so wrong. I know the old days of single moms and college students looking to make a little extra money near the end of the month by putting a ad on here are long gone. I have not found a place in the last year that I left feeling was a good deal and great service. Does the federal government have a secret "stimulus package" that is sending out checks so that these women do not have to work anymore? Attitude and poor service and high fees seen to be the norm now. What happen to all the 18 year old asian women who spoke no english and giggled when you showed them what to do and happily did it. it seems like they are not allowed to leave there countries now and the only thing being exported to the U.S.A. to do the job are 45 year old flat chested women who are forbidden from showing there bodies and tell us to DIY( do it yourself). As for the non-asian places I am running into women that would be happy to go home with you at closing time at the bar because you brought them 3 drinks who now think there worth 2bills to service you. Sorry to rant but just my 2 cents. Keep hunting cause there must be better places out there. I moved this report over from the non asian section.
LordBlackAdder
09-10-10, 09:33
I guess that if you are looking to hire someone things are good and you have many choice!
Labor Dept: Available Labor Rate Increases To 10.2%
WASHINGTON—In what is being touted by the Labor Department as extremely positive news, the nation's available labor rate has reached double digits for the first time in 26 years, bringing the total number of potentially employable Americans to an impressive 15.7 million.
Hilda Solis briefs the press corps on the unprecedented level of untapped manpower.
"This is such an exciting time to be an employer in America," said Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, adding that every single day 6,500 more citizens join America's growing possible workforce. "There's such a massive and diverse pool of job-ready Americans to choose from. And each month the number only gets higher."
"While our current available labor rate of 10.2 percent isn't quite as robust as it was in 1982 or 1933, we're happy to say that reaching that benchmark is no longer out of the realm of possibility," Solis continued.
According to the Department of Labor's report, nearly 200,000 more Americans suddenly became fully hirable in July alone. And August saw unprecedented gains in the number of high-quality auto workers, teachers, lawyers, part-time retailers, and even doctors who could be employed.
Butt Hunter II
09-10-10, 19:08
1. Any Democrat being arrested for anything.
2. Religion
3. Accepting the fact that a post from the right might actually be true.
4. Fox news
5. George W and HW Bush, Reagan, Thomas Jefferson and Abe Lincoln
6. Rush L. , Glenn B., Shaun H., Mark Levine.
7. Any ideals that that don't carry progressive, liberal undertones.
8. Anybody that has worked hard and has hit the 28% tax bracket.
9. Tea Party Activist
10. Anybody that dares disagree with you, Obama or any other socialist.
Wrong AGAIN as usual genius, but that to be expected.
1. I have a problem with ANY politician breaking the law.
2. I do have a problem with ALL organized religion.
3. If you would post ANYTHING that was true, I would agree with it. You should try it sometime.
4. Fox News = Comedy Central
5. Actually voted for Reagan, even though I didnt agree with his economic policies.
6. See answer 4.
7. Again not true, but you being a mind reader you already know that.
8. You know how much I make? lol
9. Again see answer 4.
10. Thats the great thing about this country, everyone including an idiot like yourself is entitled to an opinion.
Anything else you need help with like grade school spelling, math, or simple grammar, feel free to drop me a line.
Butt Hunter II
09-10-10, 19:36
I found this in the Boston AMP section but it truly shows how the liberals don't understand economics. Boston Ampfan agreed with Bos Bob's post below, no surprise there. I don't mean to offend Bob but this has the markings of liberal northerner.
It is hard to fathom why anyone would think that any type of high priced liesure activity would boom in a recession. The fact is that people stop spending money in a recession and they spend even less when they are about to be taxed into oblivian. Maybe if they repealed the Mass Mandatory Health Care everyone would have little extra to spend.
Is it really any surprise that so many have closed in liberal Boston while new ones keep popping up all over Houston?
Originally Posted by Bos Bob...
23 months ago when this recession kicked in I remember thinking about how many new women and business's would spring up to cater to our demands. I thought prices and fee's would level out and maybe even go down with new competition and service quality may improve. I could not be so wrong. I know the old days of single moms and college students looking to make a little extra money near the end of the month by putting a ad on here are long gone. I have not found a place in the last year that I left feeling was a good deal and great service. Does the federal government have a secret "stimulus package" that is sending out checks so that these women do not have to work anymore? Attitude and poor service and high fees seen to be the norm now. What happen to all the 18 year old asian women who spoke no english and giggled when you showed them what to do and happily did it. it seems like they are not allowed to leave there countries now and the only thing being exported to the U.S.A. to do the job are 45 year old flat chested women who are forbidden from showing there bodies and tell us to DIY( do it yourself). As for the non-asian places I am running into women that would be happy to go home with you at closing time at the bar because you brought them 3 drinks who now think there worth 2bills to service you. Sorry to rant but just my 2 cents. Keep hunting cause there must be better places out there. I moved this report over from the non asian section.
It's true,
People have less to spend on leisure items in these hard times. Anyone liberal or otherwise would know that, its common sense. But do you think it could have something to do with the cost of living in the North East vs. Texas? As far as being taxed into OBLIVION, you aren't talking about that top secret tax on healthcare that I already proved doesn't exist tax are you? lol
It's true,
People have less to spend on leisure items in these hard times. Anyone liberal or otherwise would know that, its common sense. But do you think it could have something to do with the cost of living in the North East vs. Texas? As far as being taxed into OBLIVION, you aren't talking about that top secret tax on healthcare that I already proved doesn't exist tax are you? LOLMass Health Care law, nothing do to with Obamible taxer.
I can see that quite a few of my top tens where right on.
You surprized me on a few, maybe your are a moderate.
But unfortunately you tend to throw insults, call names and belittle.
BTW, This country was founded on principles established by organized religion.
Communist, Socialists and Marxist all have one thing in common. They all want to keep god and religion out of society. I am no Jesus freak but it does have a place in our society. Invidual salvation vs. Collective salvation.
Go google that and see how many times Obama mentions it.
Butt Hunter II
09-12-10, 06:15
Mass Health Care law, nothing do to with Obamible taxer.
I can see that quite a few of my top tens where right on.
You surprized me on a few, maybe your are a moderate.
But unfortunately you tend to throw insults, call names and belittle.
BTW, This country was founded on principles established by organized religion.
Communist, Socialists and Marxist all have one thing in common. They all want to keep god and religion out of society. I am no Jesus freak but it does have a place in our society. Invidual salvation vs. Collective salvation.
Go google that and see how many times Obama mentions it.
Geez,
Someone a little sensitive today? Seems to me SOME people still cant get over the fact that SOMEONE was elected President. lol
If I were you, I would call over to Fox news and ask to speak to one of your heroes. Ask them about the separation of church and state. I'm PRETTY sure they might have heard of it. If not, ask me I can explain it to you. .If you want to worship some imaginary boogey man in the sky it not my problem. I dont want to keep god out of society I want to keep god out of GOVERNMENT! Cant you see the difference? I dont live in Mass. so their health care law (the one enacted by a republican gov.) doesn't effect me in the least yet the cost of living here is high. By your reasoning only Mass. should be effected in this economy and the rest of the country should be chugging along. Is this what your saying?
Geez,
Someone a little sensitive today? Seems to me SOME people still can't get over the fact that SOMEONE was elected President. LOL
If I were you, I would call over to Fox news and ask to speak to one of your heroes. Ask them about the separation of church and state. I'm PRETTY sure they might have heard of it. If not, ask me I can explain it to you.. If you want to worship some imaginary boogey man in the sky it not my problem. I don't want to keep god out of society I want to keep god out of GOVERNMENT! Can't you see the difference? I don't live in Mass. So their health care law (the one enacted by a republican gov.) doesn't effect me in the least yet the cost of living here is high. By your reasoning only Mass. Should be effected in this economy and the rest of the country should be chugging along. Is this what your saying?The poster who commented was from Mass., that bill was rammed down Romney's throte. Read it instead making ignorant comments that take it all out of context. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not this country was founded on the bill the of rights. Why don't you read it sometime. We all believe in separation of church and state, otherwise we would could livd the muslims who stone women to death for not covering their ears.
Butt Hunter II
09-13-10, 20:06
The poster who commented was from Mass., that bill was rammed down Romney's throte. Read it instead making ignorant comments that take it all out of context. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not this country was founded on the bill the of rights. Why don't you read it sometime. We all believe in separation of church and state, otherwise we would could livd the muslims who stone women to death for not covering their ears.
Oh I got it now. If they repeal the healthcare the economy would take off and all the AMP's would reopen stocked full of hot 21 yr olds. If only my state had state run healthcare, we could repeal it and all of our problems would vanish. Look at the name calling here, your calling me ignorant ? Why dont you re-read your last sentence and see if you can translate it into English for me. It seems my idiot to english translation program is on the fritz. I do have a 5 year old here to help you if you need it. just ask. YAWN
Seva Lurker
09-14-10, 07:58
Normally I try to stay out of this thread. I have no idea why I opened it today. I'm pretty much a conservative, which means I'm not a Democrat.
There are some valid points made by all. I may not agree with them, but if we all thought the same way, it would be a very boring place.
But a couple of the things posted by Bbrenham made me laugh.
...Whether you want to acknowledge it or not this country was founded on the bill the of rights. Why don't you read it sometime.
Well for one thing, the Bill of Rights was an add on in order to get the Constitution passed. The founding fathers added it to protect the individual.
These first ten amendments have been inspected, dissected, and discussed for well over two hundred years. Some have stood the test of time, e.g., the fifth amendment. Others, and you NRA guys won't like this, sorry, like the second have been taken out of context (read the COMPLETE SENTENCE, not just the LAST CLAUSE).
The ninth and tenth amendments have been trampled in the dust, not just by Obama, but Congresses and Presidents pretty much since the end of the Civil War, but especially since the depression of the 1930's.
We all believe in separation of church and state, otherwise we would could livd the muslims who stone women to death for not covering their ears.
In this case, I agree with Butt Hunter II, you really need to translate this for us and maybe even expound what it is you are trying to say.
The United States was founded on a principal of keeping the Church and State (both have INITIAL CAPITALIZATION'S BTW as does Muslim) separate. Religious intolerance was very close to many of the founding fathers. After all that is why Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Maryland were founded. To give Puritans, Quakers (that is why PA is called the Quaker State in case you didn't know), and Catholics places where they could worship.
Most countries in Europe at that time had one religion, run by the State (or running the State). Our founding fathers understood and did not want it repeated here. So the Church(es) was not allowed to be the controlling power of the government.
Returning to that last sentence of yours. Your ability to write is atrocious. One of the major points in 'non democratic' movements (e.g., Communist or Socialist) is to work on the uneducated (or under educated). When you cannot make a coherent sentence and misspell words, I cannot help but wonder.
Butt Hunter II
09-14-10, 16:24
Normally I try to stay out of this thread. I have no idea why I opened it today. I'm pretty much a conservative, which means I'm not a Democrat.
There are some valid points made by all. I may not agree with them, but if we all thought the same way, it would be a very boring place.
But a couple of the things posted by Bbrenham made me laugh.
Well for one thing, the Bill of Rights was an add on in order to get the Constitution passed. The founding fathers added it to protect the individual.
These first ten amendments have been inspected, dissected, and discussed for well over two hundred years. Some have stood the test of time, e.g., the fifth amendment. Others, and you NRA guys won't like this, sorry, like the second have been taken out of context (read the COMPLETE SENTENCE, not just the LAST CLAUSE).
The ninth and tenth amendments have been trampled in the dust, not just by Obama, but Congresses and Presidents pretty much since the end of the Civil War, but especially since the depression of the 1930's.
In this case, I agree with Butt Hunter II, you really need to translate this for us and maybe even expound what it is you are trying to say.
The United States was founded on a principal of keeping the Church and State (both have INITIAL CAPITALIZATION'S BTW as does Muslim) separate. Religious intolerance was very close to many of the founding fathers. After all that is why Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Maryland were founded. To give Puritans, Quakers (that is why PA is called the Quaker State in case you didn't know), and Catholics places where they could worship.
Most countries in Europe at that time had one religion, run by the State (or running the State). Our founding fathers understood and did not want it repeated here. So the Church(es) was not allowed to be the controlling power of the government.
Returning to that last sentence of yours. Your ability to write is atrocious. One of the major points in 'non democratic' movements (e.g., Communist or Socialist) is to work on the uneducated (or under educated). When you cannot make a coherent sentence and misspell words, I cannot help but wonder.
Greetings Seva,
I stumbled upon this part of the forum by accident. But after reading some of the posts here, I couldn't help but comment. You are one hundred percent right on with your comments. Unfortunately some people here cannot think clearly and resort to the uninformed partisan bickering you see here. It's a breath of fresh air to see a self described "conservative" adding to the discussion using common sense and facts instead of todays Fox News talking points. Hope you continue to post here.
B.H.
Butt Hunter II
09-16-10, 18:03
The poster who commented was from Mass., THAT BILL WAS RAMMED DOWN ROMNEYS TROTE . Read it instead making ignorant comments that take it all out of context. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not this country was founded on the bill the of rights. Why don't you read it sometime. We all believe in separation of church and state, otherwise we would could livd the muslims who stone women to death for not covering their ears.
Rammed down his throat huh? Duped again!!!!!
http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/03/30/romney_defends_massachusetts_health_care_law/
Even little kids are realizing that Obama has got to go.
Butt Hunter II
09-26-10, 19:08
Even little kids are realizing that Obama has got to go.
Loos like she is a better speller than SOMEONE that used to post here. lol
Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall , and the
streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and
everybody is living on credit.
A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the
motel , lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the
rooms upstairs before selecting one for the night.
1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and
runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his
debt to the pig farmer.
3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.
4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his
debt to the local prostitute, who has also has been facing hard times and
has had to offer her "services" on credit.
5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the
hotel owner.
6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the
rich traveler will not suspect anything.
At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the
rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and l eaves town.
No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole
town is now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more
optimism.
And Ladies & Gentlemen that's how stimulus works
Butt Hunter II
10-01-10, 19:30
Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
http://www.davemanuel.com/2010/09/11/about-that-obama-has-added-more-to-national-debt-than-all-us-presidents-from-washington-through-reagan-combined-article/
Friday, October 01, 2010
2010-09-11 16:21:00
The Obama Debt Article is Technically True, But...
Earlier this week, an article surfaced on CNSNews.com titled "Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov't Data".
The article spread like a virus online, making its way onto many different forums and blogs. Enter the URL of the article (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404) into Google, and you will get 1,360 results.
The article contends that the Obama Administration has added more to the US public debt total in just 19 months than all of the US presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan combined.
This is true.
What the article doesn't say is that the Washington through Reagan debt numbers WEREN'T adjusted for inflation.
For instance - in 1943, the United States government posted a deficit of $54.6 billion. This is just a drop in the bucket in 2010 dollars when compared to the deficits that are currently being posted. However, when adjusted for inflation, this $54.6 billion figure suddenly becomes nearly $700 billion in 2010 dollars.
A bit of a difference I'd say..
In 1919, the US government posted a deficit of $13.36 billion. This is nothing when compared to the deficits that have been posted over the past 8-9 years. However, adjust for inflation and you are looking at over $167 billion in 2010 dollars.
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The deficits that have been posted over the past couple of years have been staggeringly high - there is no denying that.
However, it's unfair to release an article that tries to compare the Washington through Reagan debt with the debt accumulated in the first 19 months under Obama WITHOUT adjusting for inflation.
In 1983, the United States posted a deficit of $207.8 billion. If I had written an article at the time with the title "Reagan Administration Posts Higher Deficit in One Year Than 1939-1945 Combined", many people would have been pissed, even if the article would have been factually accurate.
Or what if I wrote an article a few years back that claimed that the United States had added more money to its debt total in 2008 than the period from 1776-1972 combined? Again, this would have been totally unfair, even if it was factually accurate.
It's important to adjust for inflation when writing these types of articles. Also, you might want to consider population growth and debt to GDP ratios as well. I'm just sayin'...
Nick Name Dan
10-02-10, 11:01
Hey guys can we stop banging the Obama's?
This is a sex guide after all, lets get back to sex sex sex.
-NND
Boston Ampfan
10-02-10, 13:13
If the photo were to show GW Jr and R. Cheney jerking off the American people... now, that would be apt. As for the one with the Obamas--just a lot of racist crap and funny only to right-wing nut bags and people who listen to America's favorite drug addict, Rush.
Hey guys can we stop banging the Obama's?
This is a sex guide after all, lets get back to sex sex sex.
-NND
Larks Tongue
10-02-10, 17:45
It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall , and the
streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and
everybody is living on credit.
A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the
motel , lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the
rooms upstairs before selecting one for the night.
1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and
runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his
debt to the pig farmer.
3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.
4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his
debt to the local prostitute, who has also has been facing hard times and
has had to offer her "services" on credit.
5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the
hotel owner.
6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the
rich traveler will not suspect anything.
At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the
rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and l eaves town.
No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole
town is now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more
optimism.
And Ladies & Gentlemen that's how stimulus works
I heard one time from a local conservative radio host that for each dollar that is spent locally it turns over seven times. I guess this story represents what he meant.
Larks Tongue
10-02-10, 17:49
Even little kids are realizing that Obama has got to go.
I think that it's sweet when parents ***** their little children out to voice their own political/religious views.
Hey guys can we stop banging the Obama's?
This is a sex guide after all, lets get back to sex sex sex.
-NND
Agreed! This is supposed to be the Jokes & Humorous Pictures thread, no the Political agenda commentary thread.
Clean it up, or Jackson WILL!
Hey guys can we stop banging the Obama's?
This is a sex guide after all, lets get back to sex sex sex.
-NNDNow I understand why your on this board How would you like your Mother Sister or any other female in your family picture post like the presidents wife that was not funny but sick.
Hey guys can we stop banging the Obama's?
This is a sex guide after all, lets get back to sex sex sex.
-NND
Agreed! This is supposed to be the Jokes & Humorous Pictures thread, no the Political agenda commentary thread.
Clean it up, or Jackson WILL!In case you guys haven't noticed the title of this thread is: "American Politics during the Obama Presidency"
Barack Obama is the best thing that has happened to America in the last 100 years. Truly, he is the savior of America 's future.
Despite the fact that he has some of the lowest approval ratings among recent presidents, history will see Barack Obama as the source of America 's resurrection.
Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined; his efforts to nationalize health care have been met with fierce resistance
Nationwide; TARP bailouts and stimulus spending have shown little positive effect on the national economy; unemployment is unacceptably high and looks to remain that way for most of a decade; legacy entitlement programs have ballooned to unsustainable levels, and there is a seething anger in the populace.
That's why Barack Obama is such a good thing for America. Here's why.
Obama is the symbol of a creeping liberalism that has infected our society like a cancer for the last 100 years. Just as Hitler is the face of fascism, Obama will go down in history as the face of unchecked liberalism. The cancer metastasized to the point where it could no longer be ignored.
Average Americans who have quietly gone about their lives, earning a paycheck, contributing to their favorite charities, going to high school football games on Friday night, spending their weekends at the beach or on hunting trips. They've gotten off the fence.
They've woken up. There is a level of political activism in this country that we haven't seen since the American Revolution, and Barack Obama has been the catalyst that has sparked a restructuring of the American political and social consciousness.
Think of the crap we've slowly learned to tolerate over the past 50 years as liberalism sought to re-structure the America that was the symbol of freedom and liberty to all the people of the world.
Immigration laws were ignored on the basis of compassion. Welfare policies encouraged irresponsibility, the fracturing of families, and a cycle of generations of dependency.
Debt was regarded as a tonic to lubricate the economy. Our children left school having been taught that they are exceptional and special, while great numbers of them cannot perform basic functions of mathematics and literacy.
Legislators decided that people could not be trusted to defend their own homes, and stripped citizens of their rights to own firearms.
Productive members of society have been penalized with a heavy burden of taxes in order to support legions of do-nothings who loll around, reveling in their addictions, obesity, indolence, ignorance and "disabilities. " Criminals have been arrested and re-arrested, coddled and set free to pillage the citizenry yet again. Lawyers routinely extort fortunes from doctors, contractors and business people with dubious torts.
We slowly learned to tolerate these outrages, shaking our heads in disbelief, and we went on with our lives.
But Barack Obama has ripped the lid off a seething cauldron of dissatisfaction and unrest.
A former Communist is given a paid government position in the White House as an advisor to the president. Auto companies are taken over by the government, and the auto workers' union. Whose contracts are completely insupportable in any economic sense. Is rewarded with a stake in the company.
Government bails out Wall Street investment bankers and insurance companies, who pay their executives outrageous bonuses as thanks for the public support.
Terrorists are read their Miranda rights and given free lawyers.
And, despite overwhelming public disapproval, Barack Obama has pushed forward with a health care plan that would re-structure one-sixth of the American economy.
Literally millions of Americans have had enough. They're organizing, they're studying the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, they're reading history and case law, they're showing up at rallies and meetings, and a slew of conservative candidates are throwing their hats
Into the ring. Is there a revolution brewing? Yes, in the sense that there is a keen awareness that our priorities and sensibilities must be radically re-structured. Will it be a violent revolution?
No. It will be done through the interpretation of the original document that has guided us for 220 "FANTASTIC" years- the Constitution. Just as the pendulum swung to embrace political correctness and liberalism, there will be a backlash, a complete repudiation of a hundred years of nonsense. A hundred years from now, history will perceive the year 2010 as the time when America got back on the right track. And for that, we can thank Barack Hussein Obama.
Gary Hubbell is a hunter, rancher, and former hunting and fly-fishing guide. Gary works as a Colorado ranch real estate broker. He can be rReached through his website, aspenranchrealestate.Com
Butt Hunter II
10-07-10, 22:25
Barack Obama is the best thing that has happened to America in the last 100 years. Truly, he is the savior of America 's future.
Despite the fact that he has some of the lowest approval ratings among recent presidents, history will see Barack Obama as the source of America 's resurrection.
Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined; his efforts to nationalize health care have been met with fierce resistance
Nationwide; TARP bailouts and stimulus spending have shown little positive effect on the national economy; unemployment is unacceptably high and looks to remain that way for most of a decade; legacy entitlement programs have ballooned to unsustainable levels, and there is a seething anger in the populace.
That's why Barack Obama is such a good thing for America. Here's why.
Obama is the symbol of a creeping liberalism that has infected our society like a cancer for the last 100 years. Just as Hitler is the face of fascism, Obama will go down in history as the face of unchecked liberalism. The cancer metastasized to the point where it could no longer be ignored.
Average Americans who have quietly gone about their lives, earning a paycheck, contributing to their favorite charities, going to high school football games on Friday night, spending their weekends at the beach or on hunting trips. They've gotten off the fence.
They've woken up. There is a level of political activism in this country that we haven't seen since the American Revolution, and Barack Obama has been the catalyst that has sparked a restructuring of the American political and social consciousness.
Think of the crap we've slowly learned to tolerate over the past 50 years as liberalism sought to re-structure the America that was the symbol of freedom and liberty to all the people of the world.
Immigration laws were ignored on the basis of compassion. Welfare policies encouraged irresponsibility, the fracturing of families, and a cycle of generations of dependency.
Debt was regarded as a tonic to lubricate the economy. Our children left school having been taught that they are exceptional and special, while great numbers of them cannot perform basic functions of mathematics and literacy.
Legislators decided that people could not be trusted to defend their own homes, and stripped citizens of their rights to own firearms.
Productive members of society have been penalized with a heavy burden of taxes in order to support legions of do-nothings who loll around, reveling in their addictions, obesity, indolence, ignorance and "disabilities. " Criminals have been arrested and re-arrested, coddled and set free to pillage the citizenry yet again. Lawyers routinely extort fortunes from doctors, contractors and business people with dubious torts.
We slowly learned to tolerate these outrages, shaking our heads in disbelief, and we went on with our lives.
But Barack Obama has ripped the lid off a seething cauldron of dissatisfaction and unrest.
A former Communist is given a paid government position in the White House as an advisor to the president. Auto companies are taken over by the government, and the auto workers' union. Whose contracts are completely insupportable in any economic sense. Is rewarded with a stake in the company.
Government bails out Wall Street investment bankers and insurance companies, who pay their executives outrageous bonuses as thanks for the public support.
Terrorists are read their Miranda rights and given free lawyers.
And, despite overwhelming public disapproval, Barack Obama has pushed forward with a health care plan that would re-structure one-sixth of the American economy.
Literally millions of Americans have had enough. They're organizing, they're studying the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, they're reading history and case law, they're showing up at rallies and meetings, and a slew of conservative candidates are throwing their hats
Into the ring. Is there a revolution brewing? Yes, in the sense that there is a keen awareness that our priorities and sensibilities must be radically re-structured. Will it be a violent revolution?
No. It will be done through the interpretation of the original document that has guided us for 220 "FANTASTIC" years- the Constitution. Just as the pendulum swung to embrace political correctness and liberalism, there will be a backlash, a complete repudiation of a hundred years of nonsense. A hundred years from now, history will perceive the year 2010 as the time when America got back on the right track. And for that, we can thank Barack Hussein Obama.
Gary Hubbell is a hunter, rancher, and former hunting and fly-fishing guide. Gary works as a Colorado ranch real estate broker. He can be rReached through his website, aspenranchrealestate. ComResponse to Anti-Liberal Article by Gary Hubbell.
I got another e-mail forward that I couldn't resist replying to. The e-mail was basically just a copy of an article from the Aspen Times Weekly, Barack Obama has awakened a sleeping nation, written by Gary Hubbell.
Much of what this guy said was just outright wrong. Whether he's lying or misinformed, I'm not really sure. But considering that this is a monthly column that he writes for a paper, it doesn't really make much of a difference. He ought to have the sense of responsibility to fact check statements he wants in print.
Barack Obama has awakened a sleeping nation
GARY HUBBELL.
ASPEN TIMES WEEKLY.
Barack Obama is the best thing that has happened to America in the last 100 years. Truly, he is the savior of America's future. He is the best thing ever.
Despite the fact that he has some of the lowest approval ratings among recent presidents, history will see Barack Obama as the source of America's resurrection. Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined; his efforts to nationalize health care have been met with fierce resistance nationwide; TARP bailouts and stimulus spending have shown little positive effect on the national economy; unemployment is unacceptably high and looks to remain that way for most of a decade; legacy entitlement programs have ballooned to unsustainable levels, and there is a seething anger in the populace.
Approval Rating:
The e-mail starts off bad, getting one of it's first claims wrong. You have to go back to Kennedy to find a president who didn't have a worse approval rating than Obama at some point during his term. In fact, Obama's approval rating has increased with the passage of the health care reform bill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating
http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner y2010m3d22-Video-President-Obamas-approval-rating-went-up-slightly-as-health-care-reform-neared-passage.
Debt:
I'll get to this a bit more below, but the short of it is that right now the country's involved in two wars and a recession. I'm not surprised we're in debt. Granted, the gross debt is pretty high right now, and in terms of dollars it's the highest it's ever been, but as a percentage of GDP, it has been higher in the past. In fact, during WWII, the gross debt briefly reached over 100% of GDP. After a steady decrease following the war, starting with Reagan the gross debt increased from 33.4% of GDP to 64.1% by the time Bush Senior left office. It decreased to 57.3% under Clinton, and then began increasing again under Bush Junior, reaching 62.9% by the time he left office. Since Obama's taken office, he's continued Bush's trend, and the gross debt was at 83.4% at the end of last year.
Public debt isn't quite so bad (gross debt less intra-governmental obligations such as the money that the government owes to the two Social Security Trust Funds, the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance program and the Social Security Disability Insurance program. It's still lower than what it was when Bush Sr. Left office.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
Healthcare:
I'll get to this in more detail below, too. Yes, lots of people have protested health care reform. But lots of other people have supported it. But that's always been the nature of things. Lots of people protested the de-segregation of schools, too, and I think it's clear now who was in the right on that one. Just because a lot of people protest something isn't necessarily an indication that the thing is good or bad. It's just a measure of how much emotion it evokes.
Stimulus Spending:
To say that the stimulus spending hasn't worked is just an out and out falsehood. It has worked, and our economy would be in worse shape if it hadn't been passed. Granted, it could have been implemented better, but it definitely helped. Had it been bigger, it might have had even more impact.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/economy/17leonhardt.html
Also, given that this guy's whole point seems to be that Republicans, even if not perfect, are the better alternative to Democrats, it's hard to overlook the Republican hypocrisy on this issue. Bragging about stimulus money in their home states to their constituents, while criticizing the stimulus when they're in the. See.
http://thinkprogress.org/touting-recovery-opposed/
Unemployment:
Of course unemployment is high. We're in the midst of the worst recession / depression since the Great Depression, and of course it's going to take some time to recover. Did this guy think we'd be back to normal in just a year? Is he blaming Obama for a recession that began before he took office? Or is he just listing all our nations woes and blaming them on 'liberalism, ' despite the years of Republican controlled executive and legislative branches in the years leading up to this recession?
Entitlement Programs:
What exactly does he mean by unsustainable levels? I'm not arguing that welfare programs couldn't be modified to reduce their costs, but this seems like hyprebole since the programs are sustainable. Below is a link of the proposed 2011 budget shown in a graph to make it easy to see how much money those 'entitlement' programs receive relative to the total budget (The military and Social Security combined make up for 40% of the federal budget.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html? Hp.
That's why Barack Obama is such a good thing for America.
Obama is the symbol of a creeping liberalism that has infected our society like a cancer for the last 100 years. Just as Hitler is the face of fascism, Obama will go down in history as the face of unchecked liberalism. The cancer metastasized to the point where it could no longer be ignored.
I always wonder about this association of Obama with 'unchecked liberalism'. People lose a lot of credibility in my eyes when they insist on calling him a far left liberal. He's a moderate, a bit left of center. I know I've mentioned this before, but there are some actual, honest to goodness far left parties in this country. The Green Party, Communist Party USA, Freedom Socialist Party / Radical Women, the Party for Socialism and Liberation, Socialist Action, etc. Obama and the other Democrats? Not so much.
http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/11/navarrette.obama/index.html
And why even bring up Hitler?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
Average Americans who have quietly gone about their lives, earning a paycheck, contributing to their favorite charities, going to high school football games on Friday night, spending their weekends at the beach or on hunting trips. They've gotten off the fence. They've woken up. There is a level of political activism in this country that we haven't seen since the American Revolution, and Barack Obama has been the catalyst that has sparked a restructuring of the American political and social consciousness.
Activism like the Tea Party nuts? The people who threw bricks through a Congressman's window after the health care reform bill was passed? The ones who shot out a window? The christian terrorists who planned to kill police officers in Michigan? A lot of the so called activism making headlines right now is more rioting and vandalism than anything constructive.
http://bigthink.com/ideas/19284
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8593975.stm
Think of the crap we've slowly learned to tolerate over the past 50 years as liberalism sought to re-structure the America that was the symbol of freedom and liberty to all the people of the world. Immigration laws were ignored on the basis of compassion. Welfare policies encouraged irresponsibility, the fracturing of families, and a cycle of generations of dependency. Debt was regarded as a tonic to lubricate the economy. Our children left school having been taught that they are exceptional and special, while great numbers of them cannot perform basic functions of mathematics and literacy. Legislators decided that people could not be trusted to defend their own homes, and stripped citizens of their rights to own firearms. Productive members of society have been penalized with a heavy burden of taxes in order to support legions of do-nothings who loll around, reveling in their addictions, obesity, indolence, ignorance and "disabilities. " Criminals have been arrested and re-arrested, coddled and set free to pillage the citizenry yet again. Lawyers routinely extort fortunes from doctors, contractors and business people with dubious torts.
We slowly learned to tolerate these outrages, shaking our heads in disbelief, and we went on with our lives.
But Barack Obama has ripped the lid off a seething cauldron of dissatisfaction and unrest.
Immigration:
To be honest, out of all the problems we're facing right now, people illegally entering our country just to find jobs is pretty low on my list of concerns. It's not right, and something needs to be done about it, but it's not worth throwing a fit over. (And now that I've actually met a fairThe bigger problems I'm concerned with are smuggling and border security.
Welfare:
I agree with his take on welfare. Through Irma, I've heard stories of women showing up in labor & delivery making comments on how the new baby means a bigger welfare check. As lots of people say, welfare should be a hand up, not a hand out. The program could definitely use some type of restructuring, but it still needs to stay in place in some manner. Ignoring compassion, when people are out of work and out of money, they become desparate and turn to crime. One purpose of welfare is to keep those people off the streets and from endangering those of us that are lucky enough to be gainfully employed. There are also those who for legitimate reasons (handicapped, retarded, etc) simply can't work, and I don't mind supporting them. (I doubt my proposal for welfare would ever be accepted. Mandatory birth control drugs for males and females at the same time they get their checks. If you can't support yourself, why bring in another life that you can't support?
On the other hand, I'm not sure how many people actually abuse the welfare system. I've only heard anecdotes of the worst cases, which tend to stick in our memories, but I haven't seen any actual data. Certainly, the popular notion of 'welfare queens' is drastically overblown. Could it be that there's not really all that much of a problem? I don't know. Let's look at it hypothetically. Obviously, there are people that abuse the system. And it's our tax money that's being stolen, so that angers most of us, and we want to see something done about it. But what? It takes investigators of some sort to crack down on the criminals. If the problem of fraud is widespread, those extra employees would pay for themselves. If the problem's not widespread, their salaries wouldn't offset the savings, so we'd end up having higher taxes while making the government bureaucracy even bigger. We may have stopped a handful of frauds, but we'd have cut off our noses to spite our faces. That's why we need to base decisions on actual evidence, and not just gut feelings of right and wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen
Deficit Spending:
This is a bit tough for me to comment on, since I don't know enough about economics. It just seems to make sense that deficit spending doesn't work over the long run, but I've seen it argued many places that short term deficit spending during a recession / depression can help stimulate the economy. Indeed, there was massive deficit spending by the government for the military during WWII, and many have argued that that was the primary cause of getting out of the Great Depression. But was it simply correlation instead of causation? That's the whole problem with economics. It's so big and complicated, and you can't do many controlled experiments on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression#Turning_point_and_recovery.
But, given that economists recommend deficit spending to get out of a recession, I don't know that it's so bad right now, as long as it's curtailed once the economy starts recovering. It's also worth pointing out that the last time the budget was balanced was under Clinton, a Democratic president. So if you're looking to an alternative to Democrats, I don't see why people assume Republican means more fiscal responsibility or less spending.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/28/senate-gop-paygo/
Schools:
I somewhat agree with this part. All the emphasis on self esteem above performance has hurt our education system, and those types of policies were never based on any sound scientific evidence to begin with. But in some cases, people have gone too far in other directions (again, ignoring evidence of what actually works, and we end up with boondoggles like the TAKS test here in Texas, where educators end up teaching to the test, instead of giving kids a solid education. I'm not sure what a good solution is, or if there are any other countries with good models to emulate. When you look at reports like the NSF's Science and Engineering Indicators, people are ignorant all over the world.
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind10/c7/c7h.htm
Where I disagree with this guy is the nature of the problem. He mentioned 'basic functions of mathematics and literacy. ' Those basic functions pretty much are covered already. The USA has a 99.0% literacy rate. I don't know of any stats on math, but I'd imagine that a similar number of people are capable of basic arithmetic. The problems aren't in basic skills, but in broader knowledge and critical thinking. And in a representative democracy where everybody gets to vote for elected officials, a well educated populace is very important.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
Gun Rights:
What country, exactly, is this guy writing about? The USA has some of the most liberal gun ownership laws in the industrialized world. You have to really screw up (as in committing a felony) before the government prohibits you from owning firearms. Even with this current Democratic executive and legislative branches, we've gotten laws passed that allow people to carry firearms in national parks. I. E. More freedom, not less.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content / article / 2010/02/18 / AR2010021805124. Html.
Taxes:
I know that nobody wants to pay taxes, but you can't get something for nothing. If we want things like highways, NASA, the FDA, and the military, the money has to come from somewhere.
I don't understand why taxes all of a sudden became such a big issue when Obama took office. Why didn't we see the Tea Party protesters 3 years ago? The timing seems a bit suspicious. For most people, taxes are comparable to what they've been for the past 50 years. For the wealthy, they've increased slightly under Obama, but they're still significantly lower than they were during the Nixon & Reagan years. The tax burden in the USA isn't that bad compared to other countries, either. All the data just makes the Tea Party protesters seem like a bunch of whiners who don't want to pay their fair share to support society.
http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/2008/03/02/historical-tax-rates-by-income-group-part-2/
http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/2010/02/04/historical-marginal-income-tax-rates/
http://www.photius.com/rankings/tax_burden_country_ranks_2009.html
Criminals:
The incarceration rate per capita in the USA is the highest in the world. Think of every country that seems excessively opressive or totalitarian. Russia, China, South Africa, Saudi Arabia. The USA outdoes them all in the amount of citizens in jail. To put it in perspective, even though the USA only has 4% of the world's population, it has 25% of the world's inmate population. Does this guy want a complete police state?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration
Litigation:
This is another tough one. Through Irma, I've heard it from both sides regarding the medical field. Civilian doctors have to pay extremely high malpractice insurance, and people can sue over such frivolous things. But in the military, where it's very difficult for soldiers to sue, doctors get away with so much malpractice that would never be tolerated in the civilian world. Litigation does serve as a valuable check to keep doctors in line. And you yourself have told me about the problems you had trying to sue somebody in England, where the burden is placed on the person doing the suing. There has to be a happy medium, but with as reactionary as people are, the pendulum swings too wildly from over restrictive to over lenient.
In the time of Barack Obama, Black Panther members stand outside polling places in black commando uniforms, slapping truncheons into their palms. ACORN. A taxpayer-supported organization. Is given a role in taking the census, even after its members were caught on tape offering advice to set up child prostitution rings. A former Communist is given a paid government position in the White House as an advisor to the president. Auto companies are taken over by the government, and the auto workers' union. Whose contracts are completely insupportable in any economic sense. Is rewarded with a stake in the company. Government bails out Wall Street investment bankers and insurance companies, who pay their executives outrageous bonuses as thanks for the public support. Terrorists are read their Miranda rights and given free lawyers. And, despite overwhelming public disapproval, Barack Obama has pushed forward with a health care plan that would re-structure one-sixth of the American economy.
Black Panther Members:
Well, there's not much to be said on this. A couple Black Panther members were standing outside a polling place, one of which had a night stick. After about an hour, cops came and removed the one with the night stick. It's definitely bad that it happened to begin with, but it was an isolated incident, not part of some larger conspiracy, and the police took care of it as soon as they found out. (It's a bit hard to try to pin the blame for this on Obama, though. It occured in Pennsylvania while Obama was a senator for Illinois)
ACORN:
ACORN has certainly had some problems, but those problems are nowhere near as big as right wing pundits and politicians have made them out to be. The specific incident cited here, the prostitution ring, turned out to be a fraudulent video created by James O'Keefe (the 'pimp' in the video. When O'Keefe actually visited the ACORN offices (dressed in a suit and tie, not as a pimp as implied in so many news stories, one of the ACORN workers called the cops on the videographers, while another thought it was a joke and played along, not realizing what O'Keefe was up to. It was only through substantial editing that O'Keefe was able to make it appear that the ACORN workers were giving him advice on prostitution. (In another issue that speaks to O'Keefe's integrity, he's currently in hot water in Lousiana for tampering with a senator's phone)
http://ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/release.php? I'd=1888&
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/01 / okeefe_landrieu_acorn_telephon. Html.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/04/06/let-them-eat-fake/
ACORN also doesn't have any role in taking the census. They're a 'partner', which basically means that they get the word out about the census. To put it in perspective, Avon is another partner, along with over 30,000 other groups.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/acorn-and-the-census/
Communist in White House:
Well, it looks like a former communist, Van Jones, had been the Special Advisor for Green Jobs. In the 90s, he had been a communist and associated with an organization called Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM. For one thing, this isn't the McCarthy era. Being a communist may not earn you many friends, but it isn't a crime. And having been a communist at one point in time does not disqualify you from public office. Besides, Jones was no longer a communist when employed by the White House. In a book written by Jones released in 2008, The Green Collar Economy, he wrote, "We are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely. " That sounds rather capitalist to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones
Still, aside from his former communist leanings, it doesn't look like Jones was a particularly good choice for the position. He had even signed the 911Truth. Org petition.
Auto Company 'Takeover':
The auto companies approached the government asking for this help. It wasn't forced by the government. The government has also said repeatedly that it plans to sell the stock as soon as it's practical. Thankfully, it looks like that might be sooner than expected for GM, the company where the government actually owns a controlling share.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gDthEImr3_P0-59manCkynTnCl0AD9EUG5PG0.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/business/06auto.html
Wall Street Bailouts:
I think everybody, conservative and liberal alike, is pretty pissed at the bonuses being paid on Wall Street. I'm not sure whether the bailouts were necessary in the first place, but I tend to think they probably were. And at the time the bailouts were being debated, I certainly wasn't alone.57% of the public favored the bailouts to begin with (64% or Republicans, 56% of Democrats, and 54% of Independents. However, looking at the way it's played out, it seems that it definitely could have been structured better, and Congress and Senate do deserve the blame for that.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32255149/wall_streets_bailout_hustle/print
http://people-press. Org / report / 452 / public-favors-bailout.
Habeus Corpus:
Honestly, out of all the points in this e-mail, I think this is the one that angers me the most. It's so hypocritical. He complains about an erosion of rights, but doesn't see the hypocrisy at all when he says that a certain group of people don't deserve rights. Whatever happened to that principal of innocent until proven guilty? Do we just trust police and soldiers to get the bad guys every time and never make mistakes? Why even have judges? The prisoners locked up in military jails may or may not be terrorists. How do we know without giving them their day in court? If there was sufficient evidence to lock them up in the first place, then a trial will convict them and they'll stay locked up. If there's not sufficient evidence, how can we be sure they're guilty? Maybe they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or maybe some soldier just didn't like the way they looked at him. I'm ashamed to be living in the 'land of the free', when we're willing to take away people's freedom just because we're scared.
It would be different in a real war. Prisoners of war would be kept locked up until the war was over and treaties were signed. But the 'War on Terror' isn't a real war at all. It's law enforcement, going after criminals. There's no end in sight. How can we justify locking up the accused indefinitely without ever allowing a judge or jury to see the evidence.
Health Care, Again:
First of all, the 'overwhelming public disapproval' is slightly less than half the country, with slightly more than half the country supporting the health care bill. Are the representatives supposed to ignore the majority of their constituents that wanted this bill?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/03/americas_views_health-care_reform_and_car_companies.
Also, as I've written you before, the health care system in the USA is definitely in need of an overhaul. Compared to industrialized nations with universal healthcare, the USA spends about twice the amount on healthcare (from either a per capita or GDP basis, but our quality of care isn't any better and we have less access to physicians.
http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2009/05/are_patients_in_universal_heal.php
It also seems that much of the Republican reaction to health care reform is simply obstructionism, dismissing the bill out of hand simply because it's coming from Democrats. Mitt Romney is a particularly clear case of this hypocrisy, considering how similar the national health care reform bill is to what he instituted in Massachusets.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/03/22/mitt_romney_health_care_hypocrisy
Here's a good link covering a lot of the misinformation about health care.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/a-final-weekend-of-whoppers/
I don't know about you, but the other day I was at the courthouse doing some business, and I stepped into the court clerk's office and changed my voter affiliation from "Independent" to "Republican. " I am under no illusion that the Republican party is perfect, but at least they're starting to awaken to the fact that we cannot sustain massive levels of debt; we cannot afford to hand out billions of dollars in corporate subsidies; we have to somehow trim our massive entitlement programs; we can no longer be the world's policeman and dole out billions in aid to countries whose citizens seek to harm us.
World's Policemen:
We had a Republican president and Republican congress when the war in Iraq was started. The intelligence on WMDs was sketchy at best, and even if we accepted that the intelligence at the time was trustworthy, it wasn't an immediate threat to the USA (not until Iraq could have developed ICBMs. Sure, Hussein was a horrible dictator, and the region may end up being better off without him, but the war was definitely a case of the USA acting as the world's police and getting involved in a region that didn't directly affect us. So maybe this guy is tired ouf the USA acting as the world's police, but I don't see how he thinks that Republicans are the better alternative.
Republican Fiscal Responsiblity:
I included this link above, but it's worth including again. If Republicans are the more fiscally responsibly, why didn't any of them in the Senate support the pay-as-you-go rules?
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/28/senate-gop-paygo/
Literally millions of Americans have had enough. They're organizing, they're studying the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, they're reading history and case law, they're showing up at rallies and meetings, and a slew of conservative candidates are throwing their hats into the ring. Is there a revolution brewing? Yes, in the sense that there is a keen awareness that our priorities and sensibilities must be radically re-structured. Will it be a violent revolution? No. It will be done through the interpretation of the original document that has guided us for 220 years. The Constitution. Just as the pendulum swung to embrace political correctness and liberalism, there will be a backlash, a complete repudiation of a hundred years of nonsense. A hundred years from now, history will perceive the year 2010 as the time when America got back on the right track. And for that, we can thank Barack Hussein Obama.
This last paragraph is basically just more of the same from above, so there's really nothing else to add.
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Both major parties are in serious trouble in the directions they are headed. The more we spend on wellfare the worse the situation becomes and we don't seem to have a clue on how to fix it. The people that can work should be stripped of all aid and forced to work. The writer of this rebuttal says that we are not in a real war. That is just not true. We are in one of the most serious wars we have ever been in. Why do we or should we treat Muslims more justly than they treat us. They have one aim and that is to cause the Western civilizations to fall. We are naive if we can't see that. Bush spent too much but Obama has just increased the amount of spending and there seems to be no slowing down. It's hard to imagine another person doing a worse job. Our debt to other countries is staggering. We had better hope they don't decide to collect.
Posted by: Walter McKibben | July 3,2010 11:14 PM
The writer of this rebuttal says that we are not in a real war. That is just not true.
I didn't say we're not in a real war. Iraq and Afghanistan are definitely real wars. The 'War on Terror', though, is not a real war in the conventional sense. Do you expect that we'll ever be able to sign a treaty with Al Qaeda to end hostilities? Exchange prisoners of war when the war is over? Actually, I think calling it an actual war gives Al Qaeda too much respect. They're criminals committing murder, not soldiers.
Why do we or should we treat Muslims more justly than they treat us.
If you had said 'Al Qaeda' or 'Taliban' instead of 'Muslims', I'd have much more respect for your position. Wording it that way makes you sound like an ignorant bigot. Muslims are no more homogeneous than Christians. Should we blame all of Christianity for the Holocaust? Or should we attribute it to a totalitarian government? Why should it be different for Muslims?
Bush spent too much but Obama has just increased the amount of spending and there seems to be no slowing down.
I'm not sure I follow. If you think this is "one of the most serious wars we have ever been in", why would you think we should cut funding for it?
It's hard to imagine another person doing a worse job.
You don't even have to imagine. Obama may not be the best president ever, but at least he's an improvement over Bush. But if you do want to use your imagination, just imagine how bad off we'd be if McCain & Palin had won.
Posted by: Jeff | July 9,2010 01:15 PM
Nice, exhaustive writing. But a Communist is still a Communist.
Posted by: MarkBench | July 27,2010 09:34 PM
What part of fiat money printing don't you get? Government take overs? Internet regulation? Hyperinflation?
Hugo Chavez? Socialism has never worked anywhere.
Your writing talent is wasted. Heard it all before.
Posted by: MarkBench | July 27,2010 09:38 PM
MarkBench,
The only communist I referred to in my essay was Van Jones. I think it was clear from his book that he's changed his views. Are you saying that he hasn't? Are you saying, 'Once a communist, always a communist'? I would certainly hope you're not one of those people who throws around the term 'communist' so loosely that you're referring to Obama, who is most certainly not a communist.
Could you please provide some references or further explain your second comment?
What does fiat money printing have to do at all with this article? The USA was taken off the gold standard in 1971 under Nixon.
What government takeovers are you referring to? I already discussed the auto company 'takeovers' (where the companies asked the government to do what it did. Are there any other examples?
The Internet regulation that I saw that made the news recently was regulation on ISPs to not restrict Internet access. Is there something more draconian I haven't heard of?
I checked the inflation rates for the past several years, and plotted the data below. There's nothing that seems out of the ordinary since Obama took office, and certainly no 'hyperinflation'.
US Inflation Graph.
What does Chavez have to do with the current situation in this country? I haven't seen any mainsteam politicians advocating anything like what he's doing. If you have, could you provide some references?
If you check back in, could you please provide more info to back up what you've said?
Posted by: Jeff | July 28,2010 01:41 PM
I, m drowning in coolaid.
Posted by: Wayne Skaggs | July 29,2010 10:24 AM
Thank you for all of the clarity you have provided in rebuttal to this outrageous article. The mindless vitriol seems endless. If basing my opinion on facts and valid information with a touch of critical thinking means that I am a creeping liberal, then creep on free thinkers! The world is not black and white.
Posted by: Marian Samuelson | July 30,2010 09:31 PM
Dear Jeff,
I have been a card carrying Democrat for my entire voting life. I am absolutely not a Republican and don't plan to register as one. I would prefer to be an Independent, but to vote in PA primaries, I must be aligned with either the Dems or Repubs.
I respect our right to agree or disagree on many things.
However, your description of the "Tea Party Nuts" may be your opinion, but it is not factual.
There are Democrat nuts, Republican nuts, Independent nuts, Socialist nuts. And Tea Party nuts, but they represent only a small fraction of each party.
I have been active with the Tea Party since the beginning, but this comment is not about my opinions, but about my experiences.
The huge Tea Party demonstrations in DC have not been plagued with violence, arrests or even trash!
Large portions of the Tea Party have white hair or are families with their children. We come from all over the country.
To suggest that this movement is overrun with violent vandals is simply untrue.
I live in York, PA. Our local Tea Party members are certainly activists, but rioting? Absolutely not. Our Tea Party has successfully encouraged individuals to run for office, even on school boards. We held a debate (with 700 in attendance and no one even raised their voice) between local US Congressional primary candidates and held their feet (fairly) to the fire.
Do you honestly think that the incidents cited in your link to "Big Think" can be attributed to or encouraged by the Tea Party?
Speaking of dirty words, the broad use of the term "teabaggers" is insulting, but not nearly as reprehensible as using the "and" word. I have yet to hear it said at a Tea Party rally or meeting, although I believe it is a term that, regrettably, is used by bigots anywhere. It would be an insult to me to call me a racist, the most derogatory word of all, as I am not.
Who says that the Christian militia's plot had anything to do with the Tea Party? That is just plain crazy. The link from the BBC does not suggest that.
"Headlines"? From where? If you believe everything you see on MSNBC, FoxNews or even ABC, you are a fool, sir.
You, as most of us do, blur the line between fact and opinion, but you do not strike me as a fool.
Posted by: whamone | September 30,2010 09:51 AM
Whamone,
I never called the Tea Party protesters 'teabaggers', although I did call them 'nuts' once. In the section where I called them nuts, I wasn't trying to insinuate that they were the same people throwing bricks or forming terrorist plots. I was listing various groups that I don't think are constructive.
Like I already wrote, the reason I question the Tea Party, considering that most of them are, in fact, Republicans (or at least, ex-Republicans, is the timing of the whole thing. The country really hasn't changed direction much under the Obama administration or the Democratic congress (taxes are about the same, government spending is about the same, military spending is about the same, marriage equality is still being denied to certain segments of the population, Guantanamo is still holding suspected criminals without trial, the PATRIOT act hasn't been overhauled, etc. And yet, most of the Tea Party protestors didn't start protesting until it was a Democrat in the White House. Now, I realize that you can't paint with too broad of a brush. Not all Tea Party protestors fit the above description. The earliest protestors were mostly Libertarians, and a few Democrats have also joined in. But, considering that the majority fit that description, doesn't it seem a little suspicious?
Here are two good articles on the Tea Party. The first is more entertaining and not really impartial, while the second is a report on the results of a poll of Tea Party members.
Says it all in a simple phrase.
Butt Hunter II
10-11-10, 20:00
Says it all in a simple phrase.Nothing to see here, move along.
The teacher who was used as a stage prop at the signing of the secondary stimulus which was suppose to keep teachers employed has been laid off.
Once again proving that the Federal Government needs to butt out.
The voters here rejected an unnecessary tax increase as they should have, and the same type of voters are waiting till November to punish the Liberal activist politicians for trying to impose Democrat Socialism on the country.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703927504575540433878595318.html
Is this woman an idiot, or what?
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm
The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009. It was actually January 3rd 2007.
The day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and Senate, the start of the 110th Congress.
The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
"For those of you who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault, " think about this:
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:
At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
Remember the day.
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
THANK YOU DEMOCRATS for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6.
TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOS!
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie. Starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA & the Democratic Congress.
So when someone tries to blame Bush REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007 THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!
Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving.
Set the record straight on Bush.
"It's not that liberals aren't smart, it's just that so much of what they know isn't so. ". Ronald Reagan
Google: H.R. 4646
Or search: Debt Free America Act on Snops.com
1% tax on all bank transactions HR 4646.
ANOTHER NEW OBAMA TAX SLIPPED IN WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP.
Check out HR 4646.
A one percent transaction fee (TAX, proposed by President Obama's finance team, is recommending a transaction tax. His plan is to sneak.
It in after the November elections to keep it under the radar. This.
Is a 1% tax on all transactions at any financial institution. Banks,
Credit Unions, Savings and Loans, etc.
Any deposit you make, or even a transfer within your account, will.
Have a 1% tax charged. If your pay check or your social security or.
Whatever is direct deposit, it will get a 1% tax charged for the.
Transaction. If your paycheck is $1000 then you will pay Obama ten.
Bucks just for the privilege of depositing your pay check in your.
Bank. Even if you hand carry your paycheck or any check in to your.
Bank for a deposit, 1% tax will be charged. You receive a $5,000 stock.
Dividend from your broker, Obama takes 50 bucks just to allow you to.
Deposit that check in the bank. If you take $1,000 cash in to deposit.
At your bank, 1% tax will be charged.
Mind you, this is from the man who promised that if you make under.
$250,000 per year, you will not see one penny of new tax. Keep your.
Eyes and ears open, you will be amazed at what you learn about this.
Guys under the table moves to increase the number of ways you are.
Taxed. Oh, and by the way, you receive a refund from the IRS next.
Year-end you have it direct deposited or else you walk in to deposit.
That check, you guessed it. You will pay a 1% charge of that money.
Just for putting it in your bank.
Remember, any money, cash check or whatever no matter where it came.
From, you will pay a 1% fee if you put it in the bank.
Some will say, oh well, it's just 1. Are you kidding me, it's a 1%
Tax increase across the board. Remember, once the tax is there, they.
Can also raise it at will. And if anyone protests, they will just say.
Oh, that's not really a tax, it's a user fee!
Think this is no big deal? Go back and look at the transactions from.
Last years banking statements. When you add the total of all the.
Transactions you did last year, then deduct 1.
Still think it's no Big deal?
Butt Hunter II
10-17-10, 10:30
Google: H. Are.4646
Or search: Debt Free America Act on Snops. Com.
1% tax on all bank transactions HR 4646.
ANOTHER NEW OBAMA TAX SLIPPED IN WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP.
Check out HR 4646.
A one percent transaction fee (TAX, proposed by President Obama's finance team, is recommending a transaction tax. His plan is to sneak.
It in after the November elections to keep it under the radar. This.
Is a 1% tax on all transactions at any financial institution. Banks,
Credit Unions, Savings and Loans, etc.
Any deposit you make, or even a transfer within your account, will.
Have a 1% tax charged. If your pay check or your social security or.
Whatever is direct deposit, it will get a 1% tax charged for the.
Transaction. If your paycheck is $1000 then you will pay Obama ten.
Bucks just for the privilege of depositing your pay check in your.
Bank. Even if you hand carry your paycheck or any check in to your.
Bank for a deposit, 1% tax will be charged. You receive a $5,000 stock.
Dividend from your broker, Obama takes 50 bucks just to allow you to.
Deposit that check in the bank. If you take $1,000 cash in to deposit.
At your bank, 1% tax will be charged.
Mind you, this is from the man who promised that if you make under.
$250,000 per year, you will not see one penny of new tax. Keep your.
Eyes and ears open, you will be amazed at what you learn about this.
Guys under the table moves to increase the number of ways you are.
Taxed. Oh, and by the way, you receive a refund from the IRS next.
Year-end you have it direct deposited or else you walk in to deposit.
That check, you guessed it. You will pay a 1% charge of that money.
Just for putting it in your bank.
Remember, any money, cash check or whatever no matter where it came.
From, you will pay a 1% fee if you put it in the bank.
Some will say, oh well, it's just 1. Are you kidding me, it's a 1%
Tax increase across the board. Remember, once the tax is there, they.
Can also raise it at will. And if anyone protests, they will just say.
Oh, that's not really a tax, it's a user fee!
Think this is no big deal? Go back and look at the transactions from.
Last years banking statements. When you add the total of all the.
Transactions you did last year, then deduct 1.
Still think it's no Big deal? Do you read ANYTHING before you post this garbage?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/debtfree.asp
http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2010/oct/01/chain-email / e-mail-claims-defazio-wants-tax-transactions/
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An intriguing e-mail landed in the inbox of Oregon PolitiFact. We couldn't figure out who was circulating the message. But it accused Rep. Peter DeFazio, the-Ore, of the unspeakable: a tax on everyday banking transactions.
The e-mail, forwarded Sept.24 by a reader, claims that DeFazio wants to levy a 1 percent tax on every financial transaction, like depositing a Social Security check or cashing a paycheck. The letter claims his proposed legislation had the blessing of President Barack Obama's "finance team" and that Democrats are waiting until after the Nov.2 election to pass H. Are.4646. (DeFazio faces opposition from relative unknown Republican Art Robinson this fall)
The e-mail repeats language from. And links to a letter to the editor. Posted to the website of the Standard-Examiner in Ogden, Utah. That letter reads, in part, regarding Obama.
"His plan is to sneak it in after the November election to keep it under the radar. This is a 1% tax on all transactions at any financial institution I. E. Banks, Credit Unions, etc. Any deposit you make, or move around within your account, I. E. Transfer to, will have a 1% tax charged. If your pay check or your social Security or whatever is direct deposit, 1% tax charged. If you hand carry a check in to deposit, 1% tax charged, If you take cash in to deposit, 1% tax charged. "
But the letter on the Standard-Examiner website made no mention of DeFazio. How curious. We decided to check it out. And we learned that H. Are.4646 is indeed actual legislation whose subject has something to do with taxation. But that's where the similarities end.
An intriguing e-mail landed in the inbox of Oregon PolitiFact. We couldn't figure out who was circulating the message. But it accused Rep. Peter DeFazio, the-Ore, of the unspeakable: a tax on everyday banking transactions.
The e-mail, forwarded Sept.24 by a reader, claims that DeFazio wants to levy a 1 percent tax on every financial transaction, like depositing a Social Security check or cashing a paycheck. The letter claims his proposed legislation had the blessing of President Barack Obama's "finance team" and that Democrats are waiting until after the Nov.2 election to pass H. Are.4646. (DeFazio faces opposition from relative unknown Republican Art Robinson this fall)
The e-mail repeats language from. And links to a letter to the editor. Posted to the website of the Standard-Examiner in Ogden, Utah. That letter reads, in part, regarding Obama.
"His plan is to sneak it in after the November election to keep it under the radar. This is a 1% tax on all transactions at any financial institution I. E. Banks, Credit Unions, etc. Any deposit you make, or move around within your account, I. E. Transfer to, will have a 1% tax charged. If your pay check or your social Security or whatever is direct deposit, 1% tax charged. If you hand carry a check in to deposit, 1% tax charged, If you take cash in to deposit, 1% tax charged. "
But the letter on the Standard-Examiner website made no mention of DeFazio. How curious. We decided to check it out. And we learned that H. Are.4646 is indeed actual legislation whose subject has something to do with taxation. But that's where the similarities end.
The "Debt Free America Act" was introduced by USA Rep. Chaka Fattah, the-Penn, in February 2010. He proposed a 1 percent tax on all money transactions, "including cash transactions, checks, credit cards, those processed through the Federal Reserve Bank, and those collected at the point of sale. " Fattah's idea was to use the money to pay down the national debt, and eventually replace the income tax. He has proposed similar legislation since 2004.
H. Are.4646 had no support. And certainly not from Obama's "finance team". And is now dying a quiet death in committee. Yet the resolution continues to live online, where the DeFazio connection has been repeated by a former Hernando County (Fla) commissioner.
DeFazio did introduce, along with Sen. Tom Harkin, the-Iowa, and other House Democrats legislation in December 2009 to assess a 0.25 percent tax on stock transactions. HR 4191 would not affect retirement accounts such as 401 (k) s, education accounts or health savings accounts. And regular investors would not be affected because the first $100,000 traded each year would be exempt. The idea was to make Wall Street shoulder more of the costs borne by Main Street. The bill is in committee.
Penny Dodge, DeFazio's chief of staff, says the congressman opposes H. Are.4646. An unamused DeFazio doesn't know who is behind the e-mail attack.
"It's slanderous, " DeFazio said of the electronic claim. "I have nothing to do with the bill, no one pays any attention to the bill. It's chronically introduced, and never received any attention before this. "
He gets backup from Fattah, whose press secretary sent PolitiFact Oregon a statement:
"There have been many misleading and flat-wrong assertions about my bill, H. Are.4646, the Debt Free America Act. Congressman Peter DeFazio is not a cosponsor of H. Are.4646 and it is completely inaccurate to say he is a proponent of the Debt Free America Act.
The statement is not accurate. And makes a ridiculous claim. We rate this Pants on Fire.
Do you read ANYTHING before you post this garbage?
The plan is to sneak it in after the November election to keep it under the radar.
Butt Hunter II
10-17-10, 10:51
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION! FactCheck: Yes, US gained 4.6M jobs, but also lost 2.6M jobs
The President noted that the US has gained 4.6 million jobs in the past two-and-a-half years. That's true. However, most of that gain merely made up for the 2.6 million jobs that were lost during Bush's first two-and-a-half years.
Bush put the best face he could on the weak job growth and stagnant wages plaguing the economy, which many economists fear is on the brink of the second recession to strike his administration. Bush said, “America has added jobs for a record 52 straight months, but jobs are now growing at a slower pace. Wages are up, but so are prices for food and gas.”
It’s true that the number of consecutive months in which the economy has added jobs is the longest on record, but the number of jobs gained is not. The pace of job creation was far stronger during the Clinton administration, when 22.7 million new jobs were added despite seven months that saw slight declines. Since Bush’s “record” run began in August 2003, the gain has been 8.3 million. It’s true that wages are up: Average weekly earnings for rank-and-file workers were $605.96 in Dec. 2007, compared with $578.67 a year earlier. But after adjustment for rising prices, the buying power of the average weekly paycheck actually declined.
FactCheck: Bush lost 1.6M PRIVATE jobs, gained some in gov’t
KERRY-EDWARDS CLAIM:“George Bush’s record speaks for itself. 1.6 million lost jobs. The first president in 72 years to actually lose jobs on his watch.”
CNN FACT CHECK:Kerry is correct that Bush is on track to have a net loss of jobs by the end of his first term, and possibly to become the first president since Herbert Hoover to leave office with a net loss in jobs. However the 1.6 million figure that Kerry refers to in his speech overstates the scope of the nation’s total job loss. This number refers to the total number of private sector jobs lost since January 2001, when Bush took office, through August 2004. The 1.6 million figure does not factor in a net increase in public sector jobs, which reduces the loss in overall jobs to 821,000. The Kerry campaign explains this distinction in a fact sheet to reporters, but on the stump, Kerry himself only says that 1.6 million jobs were lost, without clarifying that he is referring to only private sector jobs, and not all jobs overall.
Butt Hunter II
10-17-10, 11:02
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES! PLENTY of blame to go around here.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 / who_caused_the_economic_crisis. Html
Butt Hunter II
10-17-10, 11:11
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie. Starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.
Whoops its those pesky facts again.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 / the_whoppers_of_2008_-_the_sequel. Html.
MINOR PLAYERS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION MADE SOME MINOR MENTION. THERE WAS NEVER A REAL EFFORT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TO REGULATE FANNIE AND FREDDIE. MORE THAN HALF OF THE CLAIMED "17 TIMES" OCCURRED WHEN THE REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED THE HOUSE AND SENATE.
Financial Crisis? Blame Someone!
There's nothing like a good disaster to bring on the finger-pointing. With the financial system in a tailspin, MoveOn. Org seized the moment to hammer on former Sen. Phil Gramm, a onetime McCain economic adviser, for cosponsoring a 1999 bill repealing some regulations on financial institutions. But the bill had broad bipartisan support, passing the House 362-57, the Senate 90-8; Democratic President Bill Clinton signed it into law. Did it "strip the safeguards that would have protected us, " as the ad charges? Actually, economists of various political stripes – as well as Clinton – have credited the law with cushioning some of the blows of the recent troubles.
A McCain ad turns the tables by saying the Republican candidate tried in vain to "rein in" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the institutions whose underwriting of too many risky home mortgages contributed to the meltdown. Obama was "notably silent, " the ad says, and "Democrats blocked the reforms. " Actually, Republicans never brought the bill up for consideration on the floor; they controlled the Senate at the time. And besides, McCain signed on to the 2005 bill too late for it to have made any difference.
The game caught on in congressional ads, too, where even more ludicrous factual contortions took place in order to parcel out blame. In one ad, a Republican state legislator who's running for a House seat is tied to the crisis and the $700 billion bailout for doing nothing more than going on record supporting Bush's tax cuts; the candidate has never even served in public office at the national level.
Butt Hunter II
10-17-10, 11:42
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA
Do you have a link to that other than some idiots blog? Didn't think so.
Butt Hunter II
10-17-10, 11:45
The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009. It was actually January 3rd 2007.
The day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and Senate, the start of the 110th Congress.
The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
While that may have been when the Dems had a majority, they didn't establish a filibuster proof majority until after Obama was elected.
Butt Hunter II
10-17-10, 11:52
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA & the Democratic Congress.
Jeez your wrong AGAIN! Isn't this fun?
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2008/09/mccains-fannie-and-freddie-connections.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter / statements / 2008 / sep / 30 / john-mccain / fannie-freddie-and-john-at-odds-in-2006/
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/stopbobbennett/? I'd=716.
Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Sen. Bob Bennett.
One of the greatest contributors to the financial crisis was the two government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) that back housing mortgages. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Prior to the two being taken over by a national regulator in 2008, the two mortgage giants had few better friends in Congress than Bob Bennett, and they were happy to show their appreciation.
The worst aspect of this is that Sen. Bennett opposed real reform of these GSEs.
•Bennett and his leadership PAC received $29,999 in PAC contributions from Freddie Mac, for a total of $35,999 in contributions since 2005. He has also received $26,500 in PAC contributions from Fannie Mae, for a total of $27,500 in contributions since his last election in 2004. (Opensecrets. Org.
•Bennett has also accepted thousands in contributions from lobbyists that represent Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (Opensecrets. Org.
•'Few politicians have more ties to Freddie and Fannie than Utah Sen. Bob Bennett, who topped all Republicans in campaign contributions from the mortgage duo since 1989. Bennett, a senior member of the Senate Banking Committee, received $107,999 in contributions from executives at the two companies and their political action committees. Only three members of Congress, all Senate Democrats, received more: Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama and former presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry. ' ('Fannie, Freddie donate big to Utah senator, ' Salt Lake Tribune, 9/12/08.
•'Bennett won't be receiving any more contributions after the government takeover Sunday by the newly created Federal Housing Finance Agency, a move meant to protect the faltering economy. Agency Director James Lockhart announced that all lobbying activity will stop immediately. He also closed down the political action committees. The decision terminates lobbying contracts held by two former Bennett staffers. ' ('Fannie, Freddie donate big to Utah senator, ' Salt Lake Tribune, 9/12/08.
•'For seven years, Tim Stewart worked for Bennett as a legislative assistant, but in 1999 he left to open Fannie Mae's partnership office in Utah. Bennett's son later worked there. Stewart is now a Washington, the. See, lobbyist, and Freddie Mac is listed as one of his clients. His firm has received nearly $50,000 this year. Bennett's former chief of staff Chip Yost retired in 2006 to become a lobbyist. Freddie Mac has been by far his biggest contract. He received $150,000 in 2007 lobbying on secondary mortgage markets. So far in 2008, he has received $50,000. ' ('Fannie, Freddie donate big to Utah senator, ' Salt Lake Tribune, 9/12/08.
•'Stewart and Yost are but two of dozens of outside lobbyist who had contracts with Freddie and Fannie. That is in addition to their combined 20 in-house lobbyists, who regularly fought against more government oversight. ' ('Fannie, Freddie donate big to Utah senator, ' Salt Lake Tribune, 9/12/08.
•'Congress is facing heavy criticism for its oversight, which the White House, presidential candidates and financial experts have said was lacking. This is especially true about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. They were government-sponsored, private entities under direct government regulations to help keep capital flowing through the financial markets. With their collapse, they are now part of the USA government, bringing all of their debt with them. Bennett, who received more campaign contributions from Freddie and Fannie than any other Republican over the last 20 years, said: 'They obviously got too big and carried too much risk. ' ('Bennett steers clear of pointing fingers, ' Salt Lake Tribune, 9/19/08.
Bennett opposed real reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003.
•'Introduced by Reps. Christopher Shays (are-Conn) and Ed Markey (the-Mass, the 'Leave No Securities Behind Act' would require the two mortgage giants to obey the same federal securities registration and reporting requirements as other corporations. ' ('Freddie Mac fraud regulation bill faces shake-up, ' The Hill, 6/17/03.
•'But key senators expressed no sense of urgency about holding hearings on the alleged accounting fraud at Freddie Mac, saying they would wait for regulators to conduct a full investigation. Both the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and federal prosecutors have announced investigations into the company's finances. ' ('Freddie Mac fraud regulation bill faces shake-up, ' The Hill, 6/17/03.
•'Another senior Republican on the committee, Utah Sen. Bob Bennett, said a congressional investigation is unnecessary 'unless there's any indication of safety and soundness issues, and I have heard no one make those allegations. Let's leave it to the regulators. ' ('Freddie Mac fraud regulation bill faces shake-up, ' The Hill, 6/17/03.
Bennett then was singularly responsible for killing GSE (government sponsored enterprises) reform in 2004, perhaps the best chance to reform the dangerous financial rules for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
•Bennett sponsored an amendment in the Senate Banking Committee that significantly watered down a bill to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, eventually killing it. Specifically, the amendment gave Congress the power to reject the appointment of a receiver for the two GSEs. President Bush's Treasury Secretary John Snow said at the time that his amendment would "significantly weaken one of the core powers needed for a strong regulator. ' Bennett's amendment led the Bush Administration to withdraw its support for the weak legislation, which died in the Senate. Bennett's son at the time was employed by the Fannie Mae partnership office in Utah. (Citizens Against Government Waste, release, 5/1/04) (Bennett Amendment, S 1508,4/1/04.
•'. It wasn't long before Fannie and the administration were effectively at war. Two bills to reform the GSEs were introduced-a Fannie-friendly bill in the House and a White House-friendly bill in the Senate sponsored by Republican Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama. The administration squashed the House bill; Wayne Abernathy, a Treasury official, said, "We must not settle for a crippled regulator. " The Senate bill was moving along-until Republican Senator Bob Bennett of Utah (who had the backing of other Senators) added an amendment giving Congress a 45-day window to veto the receivership. That, of course, completely undercut the notion that the government would no longer back the GSEs. Bennett's son is the deputy director of Fannie's Partnership Office in Utah. ' ('The fall of Fannie Mae, ' Fortune, 1/24/05.
•'Sen. Bob Bennett, who penned an amendment to Shelby's 2004 GSE reform bill that the Bush administration said fatally weakened the bill, may also complicate Shelby's process this year, observers said. ' ('US Agency Watch: Shelby Talking GSE Reform Ideas, ' Main Wire, 6/24/05.
•'. Despite that, no new legislation for regulation of the G. S. E. 's made it through Congress. While it is true that votes often broke along partisan lines, with the Democrats siding with Fannie and Freddie, it's also true that Republicans often broke ranks. In one instance, Senator Bob Bennett, a Republican from Utah, sabotaged a bill by adding an amendment that favored the G. S. E. 's. (Bennett's son worked for Fannie's partnership office in Utah) Congressman Mike Oxley, an Ohio Republican and a recipient of much campaign cash from the G. S. E. 's, also introduced bills that the administration thought were too weak. ' ('Fannie Mae's Last Stand, ' Vanity Fair, 2/09.
Bennett in 2006: The housing market is collapsing, but let's not overreact.
•"I think we do need a strong regulator. I think we do need a piece of legislation. But I think we do need also to be careful that we don't overreact. I know the press, particularly, keeps saying this is another Enron, which it clearly is not. Fannie Mae has taken its lumps. Fannie Mae is paying a very large fine. Fannie Mae is under a very, very strong microscope, which it needs to be. But it is still operating, which Enron was unable to do. It hasn't closed its doors. No criminal charges have been filed against its people as happened almost immediately after Enron. And let's understand that, as Senator Dodd has said, it and Freddie Mac play a very significant role in the housing market. So let's not do nothing, and at the same time, let's not overreact. ". Sen. Bob Bennett, speaking at a hearing on Fannie Mae. (Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee, 6/15/06.
In 2008, Bennett supported bills that included some good provisions, but also included more taxpayer money for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Bennett clearly showed he still supports Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
•Voted for an economic stimulus bill that sent rebate checks of between $300 to $600 for individuals, and $600 to $1,200 for couples. Many rebates went to citizens who paid no federal income taxes. Families would receive $300 for each child. The bill also included business tax deductions. In addition, the bill increased the loan limits of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from $417,000 to $729,750 in high cost areas, and FHA loans in high cost areas from $362,000 to $633,500. Sen. Hatch voted for this bill as well. (RC 10, HR 5140,2/7/08.
•Voted for the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which empowered a regulator with all of the authorities necessary to oversee Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banks. In addition, the law combined the staffs of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO, the Federal Housing Finance Board (FHFB, and the GSE mission office at the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD. The law also included a bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and to allow the Federal Housing Administration to insure up to $300 billion of mortgage debt for homeowners. The bailout has reached nearly $100 billion so far, despite initial promises that the cost would not exceed $25 billion. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner raised the ceiling of the bailout to a staggering $200 billion in February. ('Fannie & Freddie: The most expensive bailout, ' Chris Isidore, Cnnmoney. Com, 7/27/09) (Press release, US Department of the Treasury, 2/18/09) (RC 186, HR 3221,7/26/08.
•'Bennett has remained relatively silent on the recent takeover. (Spokeswoman) Hendershott said Bennett believes the role Freddie and Fannie played in the economy needs to be preserved. ' ('Fannie, Freddie donate big to Utah senator, ' Salt Lake Tribune, 9/12/08.
Channeling Jimmy Carter: don't blame us, it's the people's fault.
•'He continues to defend the companies and the people who ran them, saying they followed all of the regulations they were under. Bennett said it is easy for people to blame Congress after the fact, but he says that misses the real heart of this economic crisis. Everyone from homebuyers to mortgage companies to investment banks counted on home prices to go up and up. When they didn't, the bubble burst. ' ('Bennett steers clear of pointing fingers, ' Salt Lake Tribune, 9/19/08.
•"Congress cannot protect people from speculating and then over speculating. ' – Sen. Bob Bennett. ('Bennett steers clear of pointing fingers, ' Salt Lake Tribune, 9/19/08.
Jeez your wrong AGAIN! Isn't this fun?
The country is in a downward economic spiral now and everybody thought Barack Huessein Obama was going to fix everything.
He just picked up the ball where Bush left it.
Now the student of Marx, Engels and Stalin is running the wrong way for the touchdown, right into an economic and Social abyss.
The criminality of the Bush years opened the door to this creature from Kenya and now we must work like hell to rid the country of these Communist style gangsters.
And a good start will be to restore some balance by electing enough Republicans to control both houses of Congress and try to Lame Duck the Dumb Fvck for two years.
So wake up, get informed and realize that your country, your security and your freedom is on the line here and the Left Wing media is lying to you.
You can start by purchasing and carefully reading a very important current events book. "Trickle Up Poverty", available on Amazon.com
Here's a great article showing the up side down thinking of the Leftist screwballs that the Universities are turning out.
Spoiled little morons who actually believe that being a drug addicted, lazy, obese malcontent deserves a privileged status that should be subsidized by the working successful people who have earned their fortune.
A quintessential Obama voter:
"One is that it fails to account for the power of luck. Almost by definition, people who are successful have benefited from some measure of good fortune. That fortune can take the form of obvious, material advantages-like access to advanced technology and good schools. Or it can take the form of more subtle, but still important, assets for moving forward in life-like good health or loving parents. "
Aren't these resources available to pretty much everyone who can make an opportunity of them? :
"He (or she) is benefiting from the accomplishments of past generations, not to mention the support of public institutions (like the National Science Foundation) and services (like schools) that foster innovation and lead to greater productivity."
www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn / 78459 / moral-argument-soaking-the-rich.
Or Google: Moral Arguments for Soaking the Rich.
Butt Hunter II
10-22-10, 21:50
The country is in a downward economic spiral now and everybody thought Barack Huessein Obama was going to fix everything.
He just picked up the ball where Bush left it.
Now the student of Marx, Engels and Stalin is running the wrong way for the touchdown, right into an economic and Social abyss.
The criminality of the Bush years opened the door to this creature from Kenya and now we must work like hell to rid the country of these Communist style gangsters.
And a good start will be to restore some balance by electing enough Republicans to control both houses of Congress and try to Lame Duck the Dumb Fvck for two years.
So wake up, get informed and realize that your country, your security and your freedom is on the line here and the Left Wing media is lying to you.
You can start by purchasing and carefully reading a very important current events book. "Trickle Up Poverty", available on Amazon. ComLOL,
I should have known that I was trying to debate a member of the "WEINER NATION". If you think reading that garbage is educating, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I shouldn't be suprised though, you posted a chain e- mail full of crap that I debunked, and since you can't come back with a legitimate response, you go off on a mindless rant like all of you reich-wingers do. Geez, going back and re reading your post is actually funnier the second time. Instead of spewing all of the Weiners talking points, you should just man up and admit that your freaked out by a Black man running the country. And if YOU REALLY want to get educated try picking up a copy of "Savage Lies" also available at Amazon. Com
Matt Man II
10-23-10, 09:36
LOL,
I should have known that I was trying to debate a member of the "WEINER NATION". If you think reading that garbage is educating, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I shouldn't be suprised though, you posted a chain e- mail full of crap that I debunked, and since you can't come back with a legitimate response, you go off on a mindless rant like all of you reich-wingers do. Geez, going back and re reading your post is actually funnier the second time. Instead of spewing all of the Weiners talking points, you should just man up and admit that your freaked out by a Black man running the country. And if YOU REALLY want to get educated try picking up a copy of "Savage Lies" also available at Amazon. ComOh yeah great book. Is that why is got an average rating of 2 stars?
"1.0 out of 5 stars Probobly the worst book I have ever had the displeasure of opening.
This book is filled with outright lies and half-truths. The allogations layed against Dr. Savage are demonstrbly false. Don't waste your time with this piece of trash. "
"1.0 out of 5 stars Who is dumber than this author?
The only person dumber than an author who thinks it is worthwhile to write a book bashing a social commentator, would be the idiot who thinks the book is worth reading. "
It is amazing to me how liberal "psuedointellectualism" is presumed to be truth by those that follow their socialist utopian ideas as something truly attainable. Obama's arrogance and elitist mentality will be his downfall beacause many of us can see through his bloated ego and don't buy it.
It works both ways Butt Hunter and the hard part is figuring out the truth no matter who you listen to on either side.
Why are liberals so damn angry though? Instead of attacking every opinion on here why don't you seek the truth?
LOL,
I should have known that I was trying to debate a member of the "WEINER NATION". If you think reading that garbage is educating, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I shouldn't be suprised though, you posted a chain e- mail full of crap that I debunked, and since you can't come back with a legitimate response, you go off on a mindless rant like all of you reich-wingers do. Geez, going back and re reading your post is actually funnier the second time. Instead of spewing all of the Weiners talking points, you should just man up and admit that your freaked out by a Black man running the country. And if YOU REALLY want to get educated try picking up a copy of "Savage Lies" also available at Amazon. ComI'll gladly vote for a conservative Black man who understands and respects the US Constitution, here in Florida, in Palm Beach District, Ron Kline (a Liberal crook) is running against Allen West, a black guy, calling him a "right wing extremist". LOL.
And Michael Savage is dead on the facts, while he's a bit overly passionate about his opinions, he's 100% correct on the issue of the rising Socialism and dismantling of the US.
Little Leftist like you are basically unaware of the historical facts starring you right in the face.
You don't read your classical literature and have a distorted understanding of the Social effects of an out of control Federal Government.
If you took the time to learn your Roman history as it is viewed by knowledgeable authors and not by Hollywood directors you would see that the US is heading for a collapse.
My views on Society changed from apathetic to concern after I found the time some years ago to read "Decline of the West" in the abridged form, by Oswald Spengler.
A book that clearly explains the cycle of rise and fall of civilizations and how the cultures of science and higher thinking will eventually give way to the primitive sub-culture of the masses within.
This is where we are at today. And your Socialist Democrat Party is by far the worst offender.
LOL,
I should have known that I was trying to debate a member of the "WEINER NATION". If you think reading that garbage is educating, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I shouldn't be suprised though, you posted a chain e- mail full of crap that I debunked, and since you can't come back with a legitimate response, you go off on a mindless rant like all of you reich-wingers do. Geez, going back and re reading your post is actually funnier the second time. Instead of spewing all of the Weiners talking points, you should just man up and admit that your freaked out by a Black man running the country. And if YOU REALLY want to get educated try picking up a copy of "Savage Lies" also available at Amazon. ComYou have debunked nothing! You post left wing twisted facts, once straightened out and scrubbed free of the liberal stain the truth is again allowed to shine.
"FactCheck: Yes, US gained 4.6M jobs, but also lost 2.6M jobs"
That is a net gain of jobs. More jobs have been lost under Obama than any other president.
Don't blame your messiah! Jobs were created and the deficit reduced under Clinton. But not until the Repbubs took congress. That forced Clinton to moderate.
If you do your research, you will find that when DEMs control congress there is job loss and poor stock market performance.
You can grill Bush all you want, I was no fan of his. He and Obama share the 2009 deficit spending but 2010 is all Obama.
His deficit spending is more than any other president. You can't bame Bush for that. You can't blame Bush for the financial collapse. While Dems had control they forced lending institutions to lower the lending standards and now all those people that "could not afford a home" suddenly qualified. Now we know that they really could not afford a home, had to short sell or foreclose. All us "qualified" buyers (TAXPAYERS) now have paid to bail out the buyers and the lenders. The poor, financially challenged that pay little or nothing in taxes are riding on the back of the 53% of us that pay taxes. The very wealthy have paid about 80% of that effort.
Now our brain starved president wants to increase the taxes even more. Calling an individual that makes over $250k wealthy.
So again, it is liberal policies that got us in this mess, not Bush! Oh it was building. But we ALL enjoyed the stock market growth under Bush. But. Less than 2 years after the DEMS took control it crashed. Just like it did under every other democratic congress. In this case we had a catalyst. When JP Morgan called in the debt that Shearson Leaman owed, it triggered a chain re-action that made it impossible for inter-bank lending to take place. In short, the major corporatate lenders decided it was better to hold cash rather than lend it. If that event had happened 4 months later there would be nothing to bash Bush over.
Rammed down his throat huh? Duped again!
http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/03/30/romney_defends_massachusetts_health_care_law/Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform
He signed it, he promotes it, etc. He is a politician, what do you expect?
The author of the piece you posted a link to is a Boston Globe writer. Not an acceptable source for accurate information.
Muslim is lower case due to the lack of respect I have for them. Once they clean up the radical side and revoke the abusive laws that have been created they can be capitalized. For now, they are lower than scum so lowercase is what they get.
OK, first off, I have freely admitted to being a bad speller. Also, I often have to post quickly due family members barging into my office.
Since it appears that the level of intelligence of Obama supporters is much lower than those of us who are against him and socialism, it appears that stating things like "individualism built this country" have to explained so that even a 3 year old will understand it.
Individualism and socialism are polar opposites. One promotes building yourself up the other promotes tearing down some and elevating others so that we are all the same.
The latter requires reliance on a higher status group. The result is that you have trickle up poverty. It has already begun. Under Obama, the highest poverty levels since the 60's when they started keeping track. LBJ's social programs have not helped long term and we are already seeing Obama's policies having a worsening effect on the middle class.
Socialism eliminates the middle class. Deal with it! Read the history books.
Once the trickling up of poverty is complete you have the few very wealthy and then a shit load of poor folk. Maybe less poverty stricken, but as a whole, folks are poorer than they used to be. There is no "fun" money to spend. The economy dies or is barely sustained do to obscene oil exports in a few cases.
Butt Hunter wants us to become Russia or Cuba or maybe even Venusuela. Hey how about China! They are merging capitalism with socialism. How is that working out?
A large percnetage of the Chinese population lives in poverty by US standards. By international standards, it is more like 10. This of course is bull crap. The biggest advantage to a socialist government is control of the press. Something the left has already done here.
If you travel across this great country you will see that there are INDIVIDUALS that get up every morning and work the farm or go to thier job. The concentration of entitlement addicted and lazy people lie with in our cities. That is a city issue not a federal issue. Create jobs at the local level by getting the federal goverment out of the way.
The working people in this country are tired feeding these welfare addicted people and we sure as heck don't want to pay for their health care. Grow you own damn food and find your own damn doctor! Just leave me, my family and my money alone!
Butt Hunter II
10-23-10, 18:40
You have debunked nothing! You post left wing twisted facts, once straightened out and scrubbed free of the liberal stain the truth is again allowed to shine.
"FactCheck: Yes, US gained 4.6M jobs, but also lost 2.6M jobs"
That is a net gain of jobs. More jobs have been lost under Obama than any other president.
Don't blame your messiah! Jobs were created and the deficit reduced under Clinton. But not until the Repbubs took congress. That forced Clinton to moderate.
If you do your research, you will find that when DEMs control congress there is job loss and poor stock market performance.
You can grill Bush all you want, I was no fan of his. He and Obama share the 2009 deficit spending but 2010 is all Obama.
His deficit spending is more than any other president. You can't bame Bush for that. You can't blame Bush for the financial collapse. While Dems had control they forced lending institutions to lower the lending standards and now all those people that "could not afford a home" suddenly qualified. Now we know that they really could not afford a home, had to short sell or foreclose. All us "qualified" buyers (TAXPAYERS) now have paid to bail out the buyers and the lenders. The poor, financially challenged that pay little or nothing in taxes are riding on the back of the 53% of us that pay taxes. The very wealthy have paid about 80% of that effort.
Now our brain starved president wants to increase the taxes even more. Calling an individual that makes over $250k wealthy.
So again, it is liberal policies that got us in this mess, not Bush! Oh it was building. But we ALL enjoyed the stock market growth under Bush. But. Less than 2 years after the DEMS took control it crashed. Just like it did under every other democratic congress. In this case we had a catalyst. When JP Morgan called in the debt that Shearson Leaman owed, it triggered a chain re-action that made it impossible for inter-bank lending to take place. In short, the major corporatate lenders decided it was better to hold cash rather than lend it. If that event had happened 4 months later there would be nothing to bash Bush over. Gee where have you been Skippy,
I see that you have learned nothing in your absence. In case you didn't realize the Republicans had control of congress for 6 of 8 years Bush was in office. You can try reading this if you want accurate info on the crash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932010.
Of course the stock market performs better with the Republicans running things. They are the party of deregulation and big business. Everytime theyare in control Wall street thrives and the middle class sink deeper into debt.
BTW the govt. Can't FORCE anyone to loan anyone money. The banks did this for no other reason than pure greed.
On the subject of Obama raising taxes, this is another outright lie. The Bush era tax cuts were set to expire by the Bush administration because even those buffoons knew that they were not sustainable. All Obama is proposing is letting them expire for the top 2. The Repubs cry that this will cause higher unemployment and businesses to stop hiring. Look around, they've had the cuts for almost a decade hows that "trickle down" working out for the economy?
I'm no Obama bot, there are PLENTY of things you can trash him on and if they are legitamate I would probably agree with you. But don't post crap as fact and expect everyone to agree with you.
Butt Hunter II
10-23-10, 18:55
Oh yeah great book. Is that why is got an average rating of 2 stars?
"1.0 out of 5 stars Probobly the worst book I have ever had the displeasure of opening.
This book is filled with outright lies and half-truths. The allogations layed against Dr. Savage are demonstrbly false. Don't waste your time with this piece of trash. "
"1.0 out of 5 stars Who is dumber than this author?
The only person dumber than an author who thinks it is worthwhile to write a book bashing a social commentator, would be the idiot who thinks the book is worth reading. "
It is amazing to me how liberal "psuedointellectualism" is presumed to be truth by those that follow their socialist utopian ideas as something truly attainable. Obama's arrogance and elitist mentality will be his downfall beacause many of us can see through his bloated ego and don't buy it.
It works both ways Butt Hunter and the hard part is figuring out the truth no matter who you listen to on either side.
Why are liberals so damn angry though? Instead of attacking every opinion on here why don't you seek the truth? I am seeking the truth. Thats why I research a subject to see if it is true or not. I wasn't aware that sites like politifact and factcheck. Org were "liberal media" sites (Maybe some of the people on here should check them out)
It's the bullshit that is posted on here from chain e mails and right wing blogs as fact that are pissing me off. If these guys post something LEGITIMATE once in a while instead of this crap, I would probably agree with them.
BTW your Dr. Weiner is a plant doctor. LOL
Butt Hunter II
10-23-10, 19:06
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform
Butt Hunter wants us to become Russia or Cuba or maybe even Venusuela. Hey how about China! They are merging capitalism with socialism. How is that working out?
You already have capital and socialism here. Didn't you know that? Look at your police dept, fire dept, hwyt dept, school district, social security and medicare to name a few.
Matt Man II
10-23-10, 19:34
I am seeking the truth. Thats why I research a subject to see if it is true or not. I wasn't aware that sites like politifact and factcheck. Org were "liberal media" sites (Maybe some of the people on here should check them out)
It's the bullshit that is posted on here from chain e mails and right wing blogs as fact that are pissing me off. If these guys post something LEGITIMATE once in a while instead of this crap, I would probably agree with them.
BTW your Dr. Weiner is a plant doctor. LOLYou got to be kidding? Factcheck. Org? They are "funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation" (factcheck. Org / about, the same foundation that started the Chicago Annenberg Challenge which was headed up by Barack Obama. They are useless. A lot of their so called facts have been readily debunked by media and press analysts alike on both sides of the spectrum.
Politifact is another "truth" organization with a distinctly liberal bias, though they have fact checked and reported negative reports on both sides but again, a lot of what they publish is their "perspective and opinion" not the facts or truth.
LOL,
I should have known that I was trying to debate a member of the "WEINER NATION". If you think reading that garbage is educating, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I shouldn't be suprised though, you posted a chain e- mail full of crap that I debunked, and since you can't come back with a legitimate response, you go off on a mindless rant like all of you reich-wingers do. Geez, going back and re reading your post is actually funnier the second time. Instead of spewing all of the Weiners talking points, you should just man up and admit that your freaked out by a Black man running the country. And if YOU REALLY want to get educated try picking up a copy of "Savage Lies" also available at Amazon. Com"Savage Lies" author, Bill Bowman (Liberal fag) doesn't make a blip on the NY Times or any other best seller list.
Michael Savage's books regularly hit the NY Times and Amazon "Best Seller" list.
Just one of Michael Savage's best sellers out sells all of Glenn Beck's and Laura Ingram's books combined.
I have not read all of Mike Savage's books, but I have covered: Death of the White male, The Savage Nation, The Enemy Within, Liberalism is a Mental Disorder and currently reading Trickle Up Poverty.
Savage is a prolific writer and should be required reading for every numb skull in High School.
Instead, we teach America's youths stupid sh1t and encourage them to play sports or sing and dance.
It's no wonder Muslim truck drivers I meet will openly tell me that they believe Islam will rule America one day.
Butt Hunter II
10-24-10, 13:31
You got to be kidding? Factcheck. Org? They are "funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation" (factcheck. Org / about, the same foundation that started the Chicago Annenberg Challenge which was headed up by Barack Obama. They are useless. A lot of their so called facts have been readily debunked by media and press analysts alike on both sides of the spectrum.
Politifact is another "truth" organization with a distinctly liberal bias, though they have fact checked and reported negative reports on both sides but again, a lot of what they publish is their "perspective and opinion" not the facts or truth. So you know of better sites? Where do you get your facts? Show me your UNBIASED sites and I'll gladly use them. Until you do that, your posts are irrelevent.
The Old Sarge
10-24-10, 13:46
You got to be kidding? Factcheck.org? They are "funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation" (factcheck.org/about, the same foundation that started the Chicago Annenberg Challenge which was headed up by Barack Obama. They are useless. A lot of their so called facts have been readily debunked by media and press analysts alike on both sides of the spectrum.
Politifact is another "truth" organization with a distinctly liberal bias, though they have fact checked and reported negative reports on both sides but again, a lot of what they publish is their "perspective and opinion" not the facts or truth. Problem is the debunks nor the "facts and truth" is EVER accompanied by links to anything other than unsubstantiated commentary or references otherwise supporting the debunks or "facts and truth".
How come substantiated, referenced and researched fact checking is "liberal bias" while the conservative side doesn't even make an attempt to substantiate, reference or research (fact check) anything?
Gee where have you been Skippy,
I see that you have learned nothing in your absence. In case you didn't realize the Republicans had control of congress for 6 of 8 years Bush was in office. You can try reading this if you want accurate info on the crash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932010.
Of course the stock market performs better with the Republicans running things. They are the party of deregulation and big business. Everytime theyare in control Wall street thrives and the middle class sink deeper into debt.
BTW the govt. Can't FORCE anyone to loan anyone money. The banks did this for no other reason than pure greed.
On the subject of Obama raising taxes, this is another outright lie. The Bush era tax cuts were set to expire by the Bush administration because even those buffoons knew that they were not sustainable. All Obama is proposing is letting them expire for the top 2. The Repubs cry that this will cause higher unemployment and businesses to stop hiring. Look around, they've had the cuts for almost a decade hows that "trickle down" working out for the economy?
I'm no Obama bot, there are PLENTY of things you can trash him on and if they are legitamate I would probably agree with you. But don't post crap as fact and expect everyone to agree with you. Look Mr. Factcheck / cousin WIKI. The DEMS controlled congress in 2007!
From your WIKI link.
The financial crisis of 2007 to the present is a crisis triggered by a liquidity shortfall in the United States banking system.Again, do your research. I work in the industry so I friggin know what happened. JP Morgan called in the massive debt that Shearson owed them. This caused a chain re-action where nobody would lend to anybody. The writing was on the wall.
Well before that, indications that this was coming was evident when CountryWide could no longer make its payments to BofA. BofA had no choice, they had to buy out CW or face never ever seeing another payment.
I went month by month and compared who controlled congress with how the market performed. It was a ton of work but in every case, when the DEMS took over the market went down. I. E.2007.2009. Your favorite place WIKI, had it wrong for 2005, I think it has been fixed since I did my research. In short, from 2003.2007 the market had a bull run and when 2007 hit, the DEMS took control and guess what happened?
The Govt. can and does force their will. I know, I worked at a bank that was threatened with extreme oversight. The govt. loosened the rules but when the big banks still would not sell the sub-prime loans the govt. got VERY pushy.
My bank said FUCK YOU! We sold our mortgage business. Believe me, it is true. I am not an executive but was very involved since I handle compliance and regulations. My take was that it would cost more money to keep up with the new regulations. In front of the board, I further stated it was a compliance nightmare.
Don't be so naive to think the government cannot control banks, insurance and other industries.
Taxes. The top 2% already pay 90% of all the taxes collected.47% don't pay at all. Once all tax credits are gone and everyone pays something then fine, increase it for the top 2. It don't matter how much money they have, they earned it just like you and me. If you want to pay more then send more than you owe this April. The Bush tax cuts stimulated a flat economy back in 2001 2002. It worked pretty darn good for 6 or 7 years the GNP and the markets performed well. Then, in 2007, the DEMS took over congress and companies began hording again. When that happens the market responds negatively. If you or anyone blame Bush for the economic downturn then you should go take an econimics course.
I still trying to figure out why having police and fire departments are socialist arms of the government. The government should protect us, provide infrastructure and few other minor matters. The government should abolish the Dept. of Education, HUD, HHS, DOL, DOE and the DOC. Many more should go also, but elimiating these departments budgets would go along way towards deficit reduction.
I don't like Bush, I don't like Obama. I thought Clinton was not too bad but only because he moderated due to the dems not being in control of Congress anymore. Reagan, of course, is my all time favorite.
America will speak on Nov.4th, the DEMS will be out of contgrol, Obama will be a 1 termer and will go down in history of being the worst president ever. He can then move back to his homeland of Kenya and rejuvinate his Muslim faith. Maybe he should build his library there.
By 2012, the market will begin to recover but I fear double-digit inflation is coming, just like post Carter.
That inflation will be the nail in the coffin for Bama. Take my advice, buy what you need now, it will be 30% more expensive in 2012.
Butt Hunter II
10-24-10, 14:21
"Savage Lies" author, Bill Bowman (Liberal fag) doesn't make a blip on the NY Times or any other best seller list.
Michael Savage's books regularly hit the NY Times and Amazon "Best Seller" list.
"Bill Bowman (Liberal fag) " GREAT LINE, typical of you reich wing people. Can't refute with facts, resort to name calling. Here is something I found on your hero. Sounds like an upstanding American and patriot. Notice the part about the homo-erotic articles he wrote. Sound interesting?
http://www.nndb.com/people/588/000044456/
Michael Savage
AKA Michael Alan Weiner
Born: 31-Mar-1942.
Birthplace: Bronx, NY.
Gender: Male.
Religion: Jewish.
Race or Ethnicity: White.
Sexual orientation: Matter of Dispute.
Occupation: Radio Personality, Author
Nationality: United States.
Executive summary: Savage Nation
Michael Savage is far right talk show host, broadcasting from San Francisco, and syndicated nationwide. He was born Michael Weiner, and lived most of his adult life as a closeted conservative in generally liberal circles. Weiner's father was a Russian-Jewish immigrant. A perpetual student through the 1960s and 70s, he collected four degrees: biology, anthropology, ethnobotany, and nutritional ethnomedicine. Before becoming Michael Savage, he authored more than a dozen books.
One of his books was a work of fiction called Vital Signs, in which the protagonist wrestles with his attraction to masculine beauty. "I choose to override my desires for men when they swell in me", Weiner wrote, "waiting out the passions like a storm, below decks. " At one time, Weiner self-published his own zines featuring inflammatory pieces about gay sex at San Francisco bathhouses. He was apparently opposed to such things. But he was a friend of beat poet Allen Ginsberg, the very, very out gay author of Howl. In a 1970 letter to Ginsberg, someone signed Michael Weiner described a semi-erotic encounter he had had with another man in Fiji. Weiner says he did not write the letter, though the return address was in Honolulu, where Weiner resided at the time. Savage now describes his one-time friend Ginsberg as "latrine slime, " and says that upon hearing of his death, "I clasped my hands together and prayed to God. I said, 'Thank you, God, for answering my prayers. One of the blights of the human race is gone. '"
Other friends of Weiner from the 1970s remember him as "this hip guy who'd been traveling in the South Seas, finding ways to use tropical plants to help end diseases. " But eventually Weiner un-mellowed. He started carrying a gun, and he would unexpectedly engage acquaintances in loud, rude arguments. In short, he was a natural to become a talk show host.
In 1994, Weiner was hired to do evening and spot-shift fill-in work at KGO in San Francisco, where he went on the air as the abrasive "Michael Savage". His show quickly proved popular on the mostly-liberal station. His fans think Savage is brilliant, and Savage agrees.
On the air, he says that Latinos "breed like rabbits", and that America's public schools are "teaching kids in the third grade how to put a condom on a cucumber. " He explains that civil rights are a "racket" that is "used to steal only from the white male. No one else pays the price. " He is worried about "degenerates on the left who want to sell Americans on the idea that homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuality, even sex with animals is normal. " He demonizes pot smokers, refers to third-world nations as "turd world nations", and strongly opposes abortion (although his first wife had two while they were married) [1]. After the Dixie Chicks spoke ill of President George W. Bush, Savage inexplicably suggested they should be jailed as traitors. "We've all been warned about the dangers of a theocracy", says Savage, "where religious zealots rule. Today in America, we have a she-ocracy where a minority of feminist zealots rule the culture. "
Savage or his syndicators have sued website publishers who criticize him or call for sponsor boycotts, claiming the sites like SavageStupidity. Com are "confusingly similar" to the "Michael Savage" trademark, have caused him irreparable economic harm, improperly used excerpts from his radio show, and misappropriated his image.
In addition to his radio show, Savage briefly had a TV show on MSNBC, until on 5 July 2003 a crank caller criticized his teeth. Savage replied:
SAVAGE: Alright, so you're one of those sodomists? Are you a sodomite?
CALLER: Yes, I am.
SAVAGE: Oh, you're one of the sodomites! You should only get AIDS and die, you pig! How's that? [off-screen crew can be heard shouting 'Whoa! '] Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. OK, do we have another nice caller who's busy and didn't have a nice night in the bathhouses, angry at me today? Huh? Get me another one, put another sodomite on! No more calls? I don't care. Let's go to the next scene. I don't care about these bums, they mean nothing to me. They're all sausages. Next scene; onto the next scene on the 'Savage Nation'.
"His comments were extremely inappropriate and the decision to cancel the program was an easy one", said MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines. Talking about the incident on his radio show, Savage seemed to see important free speech issues in his TV firing over sodomites and sausages. "When they came for Michael Savage, if you did not stand up for Michael Savage because you were not Michael Savage, and I warn you, if you don't, there will be nobody left. "
Savage is the head of the self-styled Paul Revere Society, a group that says "The United States is threatened" and "stands for the reassertion of our borders, our language, and our traditional culture. " When asked about the apparent dichotomy between early Weiner and late Savage, Savage replies, "I was once a child; I am now a man. "
Savage's wife and son own Rockstar Beverage Corp, makers of Rockstar Energy Drinks. Savage himself is, they say, not involved in that company in any way, though Rockstar and Savage Productions do share the same mailing address and street address.
[1] Ron Russell, "Savage Hate", East Bay Express, 19 July 2006. Russell interviewed Savage's ex-wife, Carol Ely: "Weiner's fascination with the counterculture scarcely abated after he settled into his first marriage, to Carol Ely, in 1964. The whirlwind union lasted less than four years and was marked by 'Michael's incessant dreaming and his impulsiveness', says Ely, a retired advertising copywriter who lives in Florida. She volunteers that she had two abortions during the marriage. "
Father: Benjamin Weiner (antiques dealer, the.1970)
Mother: Rae Weiner (the.2003)
Sister: Sheila Weiner-Rozzo.
Brother: Jerome Weiner (the)
Wife: Carol Ely (m.1964, div.1967)
Wife: Janet A. Weiner (CFO, Rockstar Energy Drink)
Son: Russell Goldencloud Weiner (CEO, Rockstar Energy Drink, b.1970)
Daughter: Rebecca Lin Weiner Yops (school teacher, b. Circa 1977)
High School: Jamaica High School, Queens, NY (1959)
University: BS Biology, Queens College New York (1963)
University: MS Anthropology, University of Hawaii (1970)
University: MS Ethnobotany, University of Hawaii (1972)
University: PhD Nutritional Ethnomedicine, University of California at Berkeley (1978)
KGO Talk Show Host (former)
Bush-Cheney '04
John McCain 2008
Birther Movement
Global Warming Skeptics
Russian Ancestry
Jewish Ancestry
Risk Factors: Homophobia.
Official Website:
http://www.michaelsavage.com/
Author of books:
Plant a Tree: A Working Guide to Regreening America (1975)
Bugs in the Peanut Butter: Dangers in Everyday Food (1976)
Man's Useful Plants (1976)
The Taster's Guide to Beer: Brews and Breweries of the World (1977)
Earth Medicine, Earth Food: Plant Remedies, Drugs, and Natural Foods of the North American Indians (1980)
Weiner's Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine (1980)
The Way of the Skeptical Nutritionist: A Strategy for Designing Your Own Nutritional Profile (1981)
The Art of Feeding Children Well (1982, with Kathleen Goss)
Vital Signs (1983)
Nutrition Against Aging (1983)
Secrets of Fijian Medicine (1983)
Getting Off Cocaine (1984)
The People's Herbal: A Family Guide to Herbal Home Remedies (1984)
The Complete Book of Homeopathy (1986, with Kathleen Goss)
Maximum Immunity (1986)
Reducing the Risk of Alzheimer's (1989)
Earth Medicine, Earth Food (1990)
The Herbal Bible: A Family Guide to Herbal Home Remedies (1992)
Healing Children Naturally (1993, with Kathleen Goss)
Herbs That Heal: Prescription for Herbal Healing (1994, with Janet Weiner)
The Antioxidant Cookbook (1995)
The Savage Nation: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Borders, Language and Culture (2003)
The Enemy Within: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Schools, Faith, and Military (2004)
Liberalism is a Mental Disorder (2005)
The Political Zoo (2006)
Psychological Nudity: Savage Radio Stories (2008)
"Bill Bowman (Liberal fag) " GREAT LINE, typical of you reich wing people. Can't refute with facts, resort to name calling. Here is something I found on your hero. Sounds like an upstanding American and patriot. Notice the part about the homo-erotic articles he wrote. Sound interesting?
Yeah, so?
Micheal Savage has written many great and informative books over the years and has had multiple best sellers, in the NON fiction category, unlike Bill Bowman.
And yes, he got ticked off at some snotty little self loathing queer on the phone during a live call in once.
Just shows that Savage has character and will speak his mind. Makes for great radio!
Matt Man II
10-25-10, 10:36
So you know of better sites? Where do you get your facts? Show me your UNBIASED sites and I'll gladly use them. Until you do that, your posts are irrelevent."Until you do that, your posts are irrelevent"?
Nonsense. I don't need to rest my opinions totally on the thoughts of others as you do. You seem incapable of independent thinking as most of the liberalcrats on here. There is no magic source of "facts or truth" as you folks seem to think. That's the point: think for yourself.
Your posts are totally relevant because they point out the weakness in the typical liberal thought process and the elitist mentality many so called intellectuals espouse.
Butt Hunter II
10-25-10, 16:19
"Until you do that, your posts are irrelevent"?
Nonsense. I don't need to rest my opinions totally on the thoughts of others as you do. You seem incapable of independent thinking as most of the liberalcrats on here. There is no magic source of "facts or truth" as you folks seem to think. That's the point: think for yourself.
Your posts are totally relevant because they point out the weakness in the typical liberal thought process and the elitist mentality many so called intellectuals espouse. Your answer just shows how incapable of independent thought you really are. To assume that I'm weak and liberal because I object to lies and garbage posted on here by someone shows everyone your obviously limited thought process. This assumption alone makes your opinions irrelevent. For your information, I vote the person not the party, which is obviously a foreign concept to a lot of people on here. I also try to research a subject before commenting on it rather than spewing rhetoric as most people on here do. It seems to me that you might be the one that might benefit from an independent thought instead of reciting the crap that these right wing tin foil hat wearing tea baggers pollute the airwaves with.
The Old Sarge
10-25-10, 16:24
"Until you do that, your posts are irrelevent"?
Nonsense. I don't need to rest my opinions totally on the thoughts of others as you do. You seem incapable of independent thinking as most of the liberalcrats on here. There is no magic source of "facts or truth" as you folks seem to think. That's the point: think for yourself.
Your posts are totally relevant because they point out the weakness in the typical liberal thought process and the elitist mentality many so called intellectuals espouse. To put another way, "I don't know".
I have yet to see a conservative who did not rest HER / HIS opinion on the "thoughts" (or words of others' published commentary or anonymous email. Even gubment reports of any kind that state information that runs counter to conservative "thoughts", opinions or agenda is dismissed as "liberal bias".
"There is no magic source of "facts or truth"". The horse's mouth helps as a source, referenced information helps. Unsubstantiated "opinions", "thoughts" or promoting an agenda is not a source for anything to anybody except a conservative, birther, creationist, racist, conspiratorial, paranoiac, overly self important, simple / narrow minded, gullible, selfish repugnant.
Oh, and of course, "patriot".
Butt Hunter II
10-25-10, 16:33
Yeah, so?
Micheal Savage has written many great and informative books over the years and has had multiple best sellers, in the NON fiction category, unlike Bill Bowman.
And yes, he got ticked off at some snotty little self loathing queer on the phone during a live call in once.
Just shows that Savage has character and will speak his mind. Makes for great radio! See thats the point. It's great radio. ENTERTAINMENT GET IT? And there are people on here that take this crap seriously. Do you think that people on TV are speaking to you via subliminal messages too? Oh by the way, being a birther REALLY lends to his credibility. Roflmao.
His resume as an author is most impressive:
The Taster's Guide to Beer: Brews and Breweries of the World (1977)
Getting Off Cocaine (1984)
Plant a Tree: A Working Guide to Regreening America (1975)
Man's Useful Plants (1976)
Earth Medicine, Earth Food: Plant Remedies, Drugs, and Natural Foods of the North American Indians (1980)
And my personal favorite:
Weiner's Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine (1980)
If you need a herbal remedy this guy is the man. Political pundit. Maybe not so much
The Old Sarge
10-25-10, 17:10
See thats the point. It's great radio. ENTERTAINMENT GET IT? And there are people on here that take this crap seriously. Do you think that people on TV are speaking to you via subliminal messages too? Oh by the way, being a birther REALLY lends to his credibility. Roflmao.
His resume as an author is most impressive:
The Taster's Guide to Beer: Brews and Breweries of the World (1977)
Getting Off Cocaine (1984)
Plant a Tree: A Working Guide to Regreening America (1975)
Man's Useful Plants (1976)
Earth Medicine, Earth Food: Plant Remedies, Drugs, and Natural Foods of the North American Indians (1980)
And my personal favorite:
Weiner's Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine (1980)
If you need a herbal remedy this guy is the man. Political pundit. Maybe not so muchIn the simple mind of a conservative, one does not need qualification to comment on issues. Reminds me of a mediocre high school and college journalism student commenting on the sciences of climatology, paleontology, anthropology and others. The conservative mind look on this person as qualified to comment and criticize.
Matt Man II
10-25-10, 19:50
Your answer just shows how incapable of independent thought you really are. To assume that I'm weak and liberal because I object to lies and garbage posted on here by someone shows everyone your obviously limited thought process. This assumption alone makes your opinions irrelevent. For your information, I vote the person not the party, which is obviously a foreign concept to a lot of people on here. I also try to research a subject before commenting on it rather than spewing rhetoric as most people on here do. It seems to me that you might be the one that might benefit from an independent thought instead of reciting the crap that these right wing tin foil hat wearing tea baggers pollute the airwaves with.Good job, you've made my point.
You didn't read my post.
Did I say (assume) you were weak and liberal? No, I said the liberal thought process was weak. The typical self-serving bloated ego pseudointellectal elitist thought process that attacks the "other" side without objective thought or actually reading what is written.
Have I recited any " crap that these right wing tin foil hat wearing tea baggers pollute the airwaves with" as you state. No. I haven't, you haven't actually read what I wrote, so who's doing the assuming here?
Are there idiots on the right, sure there are. Just remember, those in power are least affected by the decisons they make, Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter. Power and Money is all they care about.
You just rephrased, repeated and turned back most of what I said. Original thought?
Not on your part.
You can research all you want, but if you can't comprehend what is written, and can only attack as a response with untrue statements, then you have no credibility.
And yes, he got ticked off at some snotty little self loathing queer on the phone during a live call in once.
Just shows that Savage has character and will speak his mind. Makes for great radio! Odd that Savage would get ticked off at some "queer". Savage has a bit of gay history in his past himself. IOW, he was gay before he wasn't gay.
The Old Sarge
10-26-10, 10:19
The airwaves are replete with commentary from the conservative side on the respect for free speech. It would appear, and certainly more often than reported, the notion of "free speech" only applies when supporting a hypocritical conservative agenda.
"'Violence of any kind has no place in our civil discourse and we urge supporters on all sides to be civil to one another as tensions rise heading toward this very important election, '". Yadi, yadi, yada. Odd how the violence only comes from one side.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101026/ap_on_re_us/us_kentucky_senate_scuffle
To put another way, "I don't know".
I have yet to see a conservative who did not rest HER / HIS opinion on the "thoughts" (or words of others' published commentary or anonymous email. Even gubment reports of any kind that state information that runs counter to conservative "thoughts", opinions or agenda is dismissed as "liberal bias".
"There is no magic source of "facts or truth"". The horse's mouth helps as a source, referenced information helps. Unsubstantiated "opinions", "thoughts" or promoting an agenda is not a source for anything to anybody except a conservative, birther, creationist, racist, conspiratorial, paranoiac, overly self important, simple / narrow minded, gullible, selfish repugnant.
Oh, and of course, "patriot". Just forget about Fact Check or Wikipedia. Most of my "truths" are from experience. I experienced life under Jimmy Carter, then Reagan then Bush, etc.
I think many posters here were not born when Carter was around.
The right posts the facts as they stand while the left take the facts and twists them until they barely resemble facts. They leave just enough truth to make it believable.
Butt Licker provides an excellent example.
[QUOTEI see that you have learned nothing in your absence. In case you didn't realize the Republicans had control of congress for 6 of 8 years Bush was in office. You can try reading this if you want accurate info on the crash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932010.
Of course the stock market performs better with the Republicans running things. They are the party of deregulation and big business. Everytime theyare in control Wall street thrives and the middle class sink deeper into debt.
[/QUOTE]He starts out with the typical lib insult, that is fine we all expect that. He then makes a truthful statement regarding who controlled congress but then the twisting begins. Repubs are the party of this and that and then the pretzel knot comes.
Wall street thrives and the middle class sinks! No Wiki link for that!
We know the market did great for most of the Bush years and we know that it tanked in '07 when the left took control of congress. Those facts are not type written but he states it in a different way.
"Of course the market does better. " Nice to see him admit that yes the economy does better with Repubs having the majority in the house and senate. Oh, and yes the economy is tied directly to the market. I hope nobody needs this explained to them.
The truth is this, Butt Licker is a lib. He has never ever voted for a republican where I have voted democratic many times over the years. As I have stated before, I work with financial regulations as a compliance officer. Over regulation cost businesses a ton of money. The bottom line falls and so does the stock price. Falling stock means less jobs and that is what hurts the middle class.
I can't believe that anyone really thinks a strong stock market hurts the middle class! The market has been flat for 2 years and the real unemployment rate is 17. I am sure the middle class is just thrilled. I am sure thier investments have been reduced to rubble but somehow they are doing better with out a job or money.
This the problem with the left. Ignorance and jealousy. Too damn stupid to make it into the middle class and jealous of those who have made it. Libs want to take the money EARNED by others and give it to those who have done nothing thier entire lives. That is what sinks the middle class, Butthead!
Odd that Savage would get ticked off at some "queer". Savage has a bit of gay history in his past himself. IOW, he was gay before he wasn't gay.Savage is a rude, self promoting piece of garbage. He gives conservatives a bad name. Mark Levin is where it is at. Mark actually worked in DC for the US AG, what the fuck has Savage ever done besides write books and shoot his mouth off.
He whines constantely. "Banned from Britain", boohoo, shut the fuck up, you and nobody else wants to go there anyway. He openly admits that he needs a couple of drinks to even do his show.
He complains that none of the TV media outlets will have him on the air.
This is a great site to visit. http://www.savagestupidity.com/media.html
The Old Sarge
10-26-10, 15:51
We know the market did great for most of the Bush years and we know that it tanked in '07 when the left took control of congress. We also know the market was set up to dive with new mortgage products developed by Wall Street early on in this decade that blew up in '07 and pretty much took out the global market with it and has led to however millions of foreclosures as well.
Then you bring in pension plans, municipalities and other county and state governments invested in these same mortgage investments that dive right along with the investments they're invested in.
Then you blame it all on democrats?
Dude! Delete yourself from the email lists you're on. Pick up a newspaper, the paper kind.
The worst is yet to come:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htw7shWR3oU
Butt Hunter II
10-26-10, 22:26
America will speak on Nov.4th, the DEMS will be out of contgrol, Obama will be a 1 termer and will go down in history of being the worst president ever. He can then move back to his homeland of Kenya and rejuvinate his Muslim faith. Maybe he should build his library there.
Keep telling yourself that. The closer the election gets, the more the moronic right sticks their feet into their mouths. I can't wait till the "patriots" you guys do manage to elect realize that to get ANYTHING done, they are going to have to work hand in hand with the very people they despise. Who is the up and comer this month? There isn't anyone out there now that stands a chance and you know it. Again you show your ignorance with the birther comment. I'm learning this might be the extent of your mental capibility.
Cocknballs
10-27-10, 10:13
We know the market did great for most of the Bush years and we know that it tanked in '07 when the left took control of congress. You're kidding, right? When Bush took over in Jan 2001, the Dow stood at about 10,800 (after 8 years of steadily climbing from about 3,500 to 10,800 with only one brief downturn in late '98). It dropped under 10,000 just before 9/11 (which absolutely caused a major hit to the markets). But the Dow recovered from 9/11 by December, staying back above 10K through March. Then it tanked all through 2002 and into '03 (it was under 8,000 in Feb '03). It got back to 10,000 but floundered there for two years from 2004 to 06. It started to show signs of life, peaking at about 14,000 in late 2007 then the bottom fell out. It was back down to 8,000 when Bush left office.
You call that doing "great"? I'd hate to see bad.
The Old Sarge
10-27-10, 12:05
You're kidding, right? When Bush took over in Jan 2001, the Dow stood at about 10,800 (after 8 years of steadily climbing from about 3,500 to 10,800 with only one brief downturn in late '98. It dropped under 10,000 just before 9/11 (which absolutely caused a major hit to the markets. But the Dow recovered from 9/11 by December, staying back above 10K through March. Then it tanked all through 2002 and into '03 (it was under 8,000 in Feb '03. It got back to 10,000 but floundered there for two years from 2004 to 06. It started to show signs of life, peaking at about 14,000 in late 2007 then the bottom fell out. It was back down to 8,000 when Bush left office.
You call that doing "great"? I'd hate to see bad. Bottom line the decade didn't see any declines or upswings any differently than in any previous decades until late '07. It was the mortgage market securities products that started and caused the decline for which there was no regulation since the regulations in place didn't cover those types of investment risks.
The blamers, however, would have us blame the democrats, that's the gist of the post.
Butt Hunter II
10-27-10, 17:12
Butt Licker? Oh good what are you 5 or something? (although that would explain your limited reading comprehension and infantile spelling errors)
You came into this thread criticizing suppositions. And now you have made the biggest one by proving not only your enormous hypocrisy but your enormous ignorance as well. You should probably take a second look at the rest of the things you're "sure" about.
Wealth disparity in America is killing our economy as the middle-class continues to dwindle. Typically, all unthinking lemmings who are brainwashed by the moonbat, right-wing media machine, follow their marching orders by declaring those who oppose "tickle-down economics" as somehow hating rich people.
Supporting your own, the working middle-class, does not automatically mean that you are against the rich.
The government can create a more level playing field for the working middle-class, instead of the right-wing ideologies that create only entitlements for the rich at the working man's expense.
You sheep are taught to be scared of wealth distribution. Well, it's already happened. It was taken from industrious middle class and given to the reckless, unproductive rich.
You will never be in the top 3 percent. So, how have you been tricked into carrying their water? Big Fox news / Rush fan huh?
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