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Jasmine Chippewa is being pretty consistent, but I was in Chesterfield with time to kill. Hit Jasmine on Manchester in Ballwin.
A half hour was available so I took it. Hot younger girl was doing the booking, I got the generic 40 something lady. She got to the point. My massage covered my ass, crack, and balls. Not even a pretense. I rubbed a nice Chinese butt through her leggings and a little OTC in front. Quick flip. Boobs come out. I play with them, she starts rubbing. She doesn't mind my hand on her bare ass or a little fur playing. Finish with enough time to clean up. 40 for the half, 60 for the tip.
Thank you for the heads-up, and is this (Yoyo) a older lady around the late 50's? Never seen a younger one in 'Health spa' until my most recent visit there but it's been almost 2-3 months since I have visited them.
Nevertheless the massage and the special attention to my junior has been top notch irrespective of how older the masseuse is. .Yes, I would venture to say that she was at least 40's, perhaps older-I'm pretty blind w / o my glasses on, but close up that looks about right. It was not the same lady out front who took the initial fee, she seemed even older and was pretty short in height. Debating on going back this week or trying Calla again. Calla was closer, but cost more, and I'm 1 for 2 HE success there, but the first massage was better. Also may try classic, who knows.
Member #2613
10-03-23, 15:43
Thanks for the feedback I did not have any luck. I also checked listcrawler and other alternative sites using keywords for Union, Washington, and other nearby towns. I'm sure someone's getting laid somewhere, but it has not been me. I will be returning for a future visit, if anyone thinks of anything please reach out to me, or post here. Gentleman visiting Portland Oregon are welcome to reach out to me also, happy to help if possible.Yeah I have been to some places either as short trips or on my way somewhere and pass these places that YOU KNOW some body cashing out but how you find them, is the million dollar question. I have been on this search for 50 yrs and this board has been the closest I have come to finding out. I guess I need to make some QR codes and start pasting them on bathrooms and rest stops to raise awareness of this board.
Member #2613
10-03-23, 15:53
So the other day in middle of the week I stopped by new release to check it out; there mostly dudes, one couple showed up while I was checking things out and they went to the back of one of the cinemas and got to town while everyone watched. They were not the most attractive looking or cleanest or full set of teeth having couple. But man they were goi g to town I was like get it get it.
After like 5 min I left and went to the massage place up the embankment on the next set of buildings. The place was clean and well lit; the lady at the front desk welcomed me in, there was an older slim Asian lady waiting so we went in, I stripped and when she came back in I proceeded to tell her where I wanted her.
To concentrate. And she did, she used about a gallon of a coconut oil; she allowed some roaming and her hands were roaming as well. But would not touch me anymore than the rub she then said something and picked up the 5 gallon bucket to pour some in my hands; so I figured being the first time there she was only going to help me.
After her awesome help I cleaned up and left. It was 45 for the half hr and a tip I left more relaxed, until I get to see Parker later this week.
RickBarnes
10-03-23, 23:24
Jasmine Chippewa is being pretty consistent, but I was in Chesterfield with time to kill. Hit Jasmine on Manchester in Ballwin.
Just curious if you called ahead or did you just walk in? I've tried texting a few times and have always been told they don't have any openings.
So the other day in middle of the week I stopped by new release to check it out; there mostly dudes, one couple showed up while I was checking things out and they went to the back of one of the cinemas and got to town while everyone watched. They were not the most attractive looking or cleanest or full set of teeth having couple. But man they were goi g to town I was like get it get it.
After like 5 min I left and went to the massage place up the embankment on the next set of buildings. The place was clean and well lit; the lady at the front desk welcomed me in, there was an older slim Asian lady waiting so we went in, I stripped and when she came back in I proceeded to tell her where I wanted her.
To concentrate. And she did, she used about a gallon of a coconut oil; she allowed some roaming and her hands were roaming as well. But would not touch me anymore than the rub she then said something and picked up the 5 gallon bucket to pour some in my hands; so I figured being the first time there she was only going to help me.
After her awesome help I cleaned up and left. It was 45 for the half hr and a tip I left more relaxed, until I get to see Parker later this week.I tried NRV a few times pre covid, tried to follow gatherings for couples / ladies there on reddit but either it'd be a no show (which led me to believe people at NRV were making the posts to drum up business-had to pay to get into the theater), not worth the show, or legit 50+ guys show up and you can't breathe in the rooms. That, or some retired fat guy would keep trying to go down on me even though I'm in the straight theater. Haven't been back.
As for the MP nearby, I've neither heard about HE or DIY there. By her "helping" you, I'm assuming you paid / tipped for DIY? What was the "awesome help"?
Just curious if you called ahead or did you just walk in? I've tried texting a few times and have always been told they don't have any openings.I walked in. It is why I ended up with 30 minutes. I drove by and saw one customer car and hit an ATM. Then headed back. As luck would have it, customer I saw was leaving when I got back. I think they had two rooms going.
It was 3-4 Friday afternoon. A bunch of horndogs try to start their weekend right so to speak. I lucked out.
HotStoneStl
10-04-23, 13:44
I get 90 minutes or more at Zen which includes free table shower, hot stones and a full body massage. They are pretty busy on the weekends.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/216997.html
Went in again, asked for an hour, directed to a room no fuss just like the first time. Different girl, didn't catch her name as my time was short afterwards. Massage was more thorough, which I didn't know was possible. HE good but not as good as the first time. Had some audio issues this time around:
1) The ambient piano music this time around, I guess they cheaped out and went with ad-supported. Music was interrupted 3-4 x during the session for commercials. Gee thanks, I'd love to hear about Arby's while trying to relax. The first time I came in, no musical interruptions, and there was also a running water / waterfall sound going on, that was cranked up when it was time for fun, but was not present this time. I think I prefer to not hear that, just the piano stuff. Water sounds really had to make me pee afterwards the first time.
2) Unfortunately the room I went into this time was on the right side, next to the state farm insurance office. The guy who works there talks VERY LOUDLY, and those thin walls do not help. It was like trying to jerk off while your mom gabs on the phone in the next room. Not relaxing at all. Really laid into the sale during the deed, my gal was visibly annoyed overhearing him through the wall. Imagine listening to that guy all day, sorry hun.
Next I go I guess I'll bring earplugs.
One of my all-time favorites is Lotus. She's returned from Montana and is once again accepting clients, but this time she's being more selective. Lotus is now an independent provider, no longer associated with Angels. She kindly requests that you thoroughly read the description at the link below before reaching out to her.
Her sessions are not platonic. You will leave satisfied. However, Lotus is seeking clients who want to connect on a deeper level beyond just the physical. I've been a client of hers for years, enjoying a range of services from erotic massages to cuddling sessions and coaching. I can confidently say that I've never left disappointed. Lotus is a provider like no other, offering unwavering love, acceptance, and authenticity. Such qualities are a rare find in this industry.
https://bodyrubpage.com/st-louis-massage/754067-do-you-want-more-ecstasy-and-peace-lotus-goddess-tantric-massageI didn't pass the interview LOL. How's with stipulations what's this hobby coming to.
Member #2613
10-06-23, 13:00
I tried NRV a few times pre covid, tried to follow gatherings for couples / ladies there on reddit but either it'd be a no show (which led me to believe people at NRV were making the posts to drum up business-had to pay to get into the theater), not worth the show, or legit 50+ guys show up and you can't breathe in the rooms. That, or some retired fat guy would keep trying to go down on me even though I'm in the straight theater. Haven't been back.
As for the MP nearby, I've neither heard about HE or DIY there. By her "helping" you, I'm assuming you paid / tipped for DIY? What was the "awesome help"?Always tip the lady for the massage no matter what. Her hands were roaming all over my body which made it easier for a diy, at one point her finger almost slipped in in places that my eyes opened and was like hmmm. It most of have been the amount of oil she squirted.
45 for the half hr and 40 for tip kind of expensive but I was in the area figured why not.
Yeah regarding the NRV. Yeah the concept is good but the participants just didn't do it for me. You do pay 15 bucks for admission every time on the weekends it seems that you HAVE TO have a another person. But don't know what is the ratio to females. It may be as usage fest elevated to the 3 power who knows.
On the flip side tho just down the street there is a hotel that seems is being used by folks as extended housing arrangement and did see a couple of ladies walking towards it. I bet if things are tight they may be open to show you around the parking lot or their room. Gna have to try that around check out time / check in time.
I guess either way I am going to spend a lot mor estime in that area to c what's up, may run into some of you degenerates LOL.
I have some major issues with back, set up a appointment with Scarlett. She was very responsive to my needs offering numerous suggestions to help my condition. She is trained in the healing arts and knows her craft. She worked all the kinks out and on the flip response to my request and eager to please. As always I left feeling happy. She is a professional full service provider with no bullshit to put up with.
I don't know what is going on with Summer (long time masseuse that everyone talks up) but she currently has two posts on Rubrankings with the same number as she has had for at least a little while. One is her typical Relax and Rejuvenate and the new one is "Summerz end Retreat. " The new one asks you to not ask about any new services and that you can discuss it when on her table for 200/ hr. It also has a pic of her face. It put me off a bit as I have seen her around for a while and never seen her show this much of her face. But I had never seen her (had a couple texts with her before but our schedules didn't line up) and thought it was as good as a time as any.
I am going to guess someone stole her phone. The whole communication was off and weird. She wanted to schedule later and later, way past her normal hours and in a location that wasn't the one that I hear about on here. Also, I have got lazy and don't use Burner anymore. I should have. The number started texting me my name later. I never responded. It was obvious a half-assed attempt at extortion that I will ignore. I just wanted to give everyone a warning as something is going on there.
I don't know what is going on with Summer (long time masseuse that everyone talks up) but she currently has two posts on Rubrankings with the same number as she has had for at least a little while. One is her typical Relax and Rejuvenate and the new one is "Summerz end Retreat. " The new one asks you to not ask about any new services and that you can discuss it when on her table for 200/ hr. It also has a pic of her face. It put me off a bit as I have seen her around for a while and never seen her show this much of her face. But I had never seen her (had a couple texts with her before but our schedules didn't line up) and thought it was as good as a time as any.
I am going to guess someone stole her phone. The whole communication was off and weird. She wanted to schedule later and later, way past her normal hours and in a location that wasn't the one that I hear about on here. Also, I have got lazy and don't use Burner anymore. I should have. The number started texting me my name later. I never responded. It was obvious a half-assed attempt at extortion that I will ignore. I just wanted to give everyone a warning as something is going on there.Number one those are two separate ads, two separate girls and two separate numbers. Summerz offers FS. She's completely different than summer.
I don't know what is going on with Summer (long time masseuse that everyone talks up) but she currently has two posts on Rubrankings with the same number as she has had for at least a little while. One is her typical Relax and Rejuvenate and the new one is "Summerz end Retreat. " The new one asks you to not ask about any new services and that you can discuss it when on her table for 200/ hr. It also has a pic of her face. It put me off a bit as I have seen her around for a while and never seen her show this much of her face. But I had never seen her (had a couple texts with her before but our schedules didn't line up) and thought it was as good as a time as any.
I am going to guess someone stole her phone. The whole communication was off and weird. She wanted to schedule later and later, way past her normal hours and in a location that wasn't the one that I hear about on here. Also, I have got lazy and don't use Burner anymore. I should have. The number started texting me my name later. I never responded. It was obvious a half-assed attempt at extortion that I will ignore. I just wanted to give everyone a warning as something is going on there.I think this is a person that caters to her regulars and ghosts new clients. That was my experience. I've never seen her.
Several months ago, I booked this person. I also had text messages from two drastically different dialects before and after being ghosted day of booking. One text with garbled misspellings confirming an appointment. Then, after the ghosting and hearing zero day of booking despite several text messages sent by me, I inquired next day to see what happened and wished her well. I received an intelligible text message with no misspellings explaining there had been text issues. I think I'm in the minority here because her regulars herein swear by her. I wish her well (truly I do) but there's no chance I'd ever try to pursue another booking. That's just me speaking for myself, YMMV, etc etc etc.
I think this is a person that caters to her regulars and ghosts new clients. That was my experience. I've never seen her.
Several months ago, I booked this person. I also had text messages from two drastically different dialects before and after being ghosted day of booking. One text with garbled misspellings confirming an appointment. Then, after the ghosting and hearing zero day of booking despite several text messages sent by me, I inquired next day to see what happened and wished her well. I received an intelligible text message with no misspellings explaining there had been text issues. I think I'm in the minority here because her regulars herein swear by her. I wish her well (truly I do) but there's no chance I'd ever try to pursue another booking. That's just me speaking for myself, YMMV, etc etc etc.Summerz and summer are two different providers.
I have some major issues with back, set up an appointment with Scarlett. She was very responsive to my needs offering numerous suggestions to help my condition. She is trained in the healing arts and knows her craft. She worked all the kinks out and on the flip response to my request and eager to please. As always I left feeling happy. She is a professional full service provider with no bullshit to put up with.To me, there are three spectacular, obviously extremely well-trained massage people I've seen that are popular in these forums. Scarlett is on par with them, if not above them in therapeutic skills (Diana and Megan are the amazing others I've seen but there are likely many more great ones I've not seen). I recall after visiting Scarlett my neck and shoulders were cracking for days afterwards. I'd be walking and suddenly my neck would creak and I'd feel a slight pop. She is really well trained and I believe she's gone to schools for various massage techniques. Her place is clean. Her communication is great as well. I like also that she lightly verifies people for everyone's safety. There was a time Scarlett had to cancel a session with me. She was so professional, so thoughtful and thorough about it and gave plenty of notice. That's a sign of a respectful person and provider. I saw her after that and she remembered it a year later (I didn't bring it up). This means she remembers her clients and that shows she cares. Yes, we pay money, but she has her act together as far as scheduling and is professional. She is very straightforward in asking what you want to accomplish with your visits in terms of massage or perhaps other things. If you have back or neck issues, she is professionally trained to help you with these issues.
Number one those are two separate ads, two separate girls and two separate numbers. Summerz offers FS. She's completely different than summer.I wouldn't be surprised by that but this is the ad I always thought this was Summer: https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/eerejuvenate-relax-unwindee-fri-hrs-930a-3p-30852.html and that ad has the same phone number that was on Summerz end Retreat ad. I double checked the numbers at the time to make sure.
I didn't pass the interview LOL. How's with stipulations what's this hobby coming to.Can you tell us reasons why you did not pass the interview?
I was / am strongly considering contacting her. I would not waste money and time if I know her selection criteria based on your experience.
Regards.
Abbey be doing some crazy stuff sometimes. It's still fun for me to get a massage while hearing her conspiracy theories and all the gruesome things she wants to do. Her cooter must be great, because the craziest ones have the best puss. Just blow a load on her boobs and its all good until the next session.I also enjoy to hear her stories with the complicated characters and plots. Her beauty is second to none and worth the admission price.
RicharddAngle
10-09-23, 00:04
I think this is a person that caters to her regulars and ghosts new clients. That was my experience. I've never seen her.
Several months ago, I booked this person. I also had text messages from two drastically different dialects before and after being ghosted day of booking. One text with garbled misspellings confirming an appointment. Then, after the ghosting and hearing zero day of booking despite several text messages sent by me, I inquired next day to see what happened and wished her well. I received an intelligible text message with no misspellings explaining there had been text issues. I think I'm in the minority here because her regulars herein swear by her. I wish her well (truly I do) but there's no chance I'd ever try to pursue another booking. That's just me speaking for myself, YMMV, etc etc etc.Yeah. Tried to schedule with her recently and had set up a time for the next day, but was to confirm in the morning. Waited a while then finally texted to confirm and didn't hear back until we'll after the scheduled time, saying she had overslept and asked about re-scheduling later. I told her I couldn't do it. As mentioned before, her texts were riddled with typos and barely decipherable. It's like drunk texting only worse.
I also enjoy to hear her stories with the complicated characters and plots. Her beauty is second to none and worth the admission price.Could someone DM me Abbey James Instagram account info? Thanks.
I wouldn't be surprised by that but this is the ad I always thought this was Summer: https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/eerejuvenate-relax-unwindee-fri-hrs-930a-3p-30852.html and that ad has the same phone number that was on Summerz end Retreat ad. I double checked the numbers at the time to make sure.That's not the number I used for summer in Lemay. The picture doesn't look like her either. That looks like summerz ad.
I saw summer for first time Thursday, it was very pleasant experience with a good massage and finish. 100 total one hour. She told me gave me different options of times, I picked noon and had no issues at all. I will see again in future.
Can you tell us reasons why you did not pass the interview?
I was / am strongly considering contacting her. I would not waste money and time if I know her selection criteria based on your experience.
Regards.You have to pay for a meet 30 bucks. Just to see if she likes you. Then fill out a personal form for her to review. She sent mine via texts. I mentioned I'm in a relationship and she wanted confirmation that the person is cool with what she was going to do to me. Because she's a honest loving caring person that has feeling towards other women bla bla bla. If I did all that she would let me see her for $250. I've already blocked her number.
SouthCityGuySt
10-09-23, 10:52
I walked in. It is why I ended up with 30 minutes. I drove by and saw one customer car and hit an ATM. Then headed back. As luck would have it, customer I saw was leaving when I got back. I think they had two rooms going.
It was 3-4 Friday afternoon. A bunch of horndogs try to start their weekend right so to speak. I lucked out.I stopped by Jasmine last week after trying to call ahead and it just rang endlessly so I took my chances on a walk-in. Someone was just coming down the stairs as I walked in and a younger attractive girl asked me to wait in the lobby for a few minutes. She then escorted me upstairs to a room and I asked for an hour session ($60). Being somewhat experienced, I expected an older woman to come in the room and to my surprise, it was the woman who I met in the lobby. Probably early 30's at most with a tight little body. Massage was good with some moderate but intentional teasing where she'd brush my balls and shaft as she spent a lot of time on my butt and thighs. On the flip, she kept the towel over my cock but still with some teasing and she allowed some OTC touch on her legs, ass and tits. I knew we were probably running short on time and pulled the towel off my cock and unfortunately she only offered DIY but pulled her shirt up (kept her bra on) and put her leg up on the table to allow me access between her legs. I tried to get my hands under her bra and in her tight little yoga pants but she politely declined. Nonetheless she seems to enjoy me rubbing her through her pants with one hand while I took care of myself with the other. Perhaps I'll try again to see if she'll help next time instead of DIY but it was a good experience with an attractive younger Asian. I left a $40 tip.
I have some major issues with back, set up a appointment with Scarlett. She was very responsive to my needs offering numerous suggestions to help my condition. She is trained in the healing arts and knows her craft. She worked all the kinks out and on the flip response to my request and eager to please. As always I left feeling happy. She is a professional full service provider with no bullshit to put up with.Does she still do her covid screening crap? I tried her twice (pre fee uppage to $200 or so) and both times she failed to get me off with HE, I didn't bother coming back again for further service.
BuderBum314
10-09-23, 23:20
Any of you gentleman have any experience with Lilly? She goes by Sensual Lilly on RubRankings. I searched back as far as August and had no luck finding a review. I did see one for a Lilly in St Charles but according to that review, that Lilly is no longer in the business or at least doesn't advertise. The Lilly on RubRankings has a very nice rack and is asking 200 for a 1 hr appointment. Just curious what that experience is like and what to expect for that amount. Also curious what area she is in. Her ad doesn't specify.
BB.
Any of you gentleman have any experience with Lilly? She goes by Sensual Lilly on RubRankings. I searched back as far as August and had no luck finding a review. I did see one for a Lilly in St Charles but according to that review, that Lilly is no longer in the business or at least doesn't advertise. The Lilly on RubRankings has a very nice rack and is asking 200 for a 1 hr appointment. Just curious what that experience is like and what to expect for that amount. Also curious what area she is in. Her ad doesn't specify.
BB.She's a nice lady & her photos are real. HJ only.
Summerz and summer are two different providers.Same your money, both.
Any of you gentleman have any experience with Lilly? She goes by Sensual Lilly on RubRankings. I searched back as far as August and had no luck finding a review. I did see one for a Lilly in St Charles but according to that review, that Lilly is no longer in the business or at least doesn't advertise. The Lilly on RubRankings has a very nice rack and is asking 200 for a 1 hr appointment. Just curious what that experience is like and what to expect for that amount. Also curious what area she is in. Her ad doesn't specify.
BB.Lilly is a great value. Awesome massage and very sensual. Her ad spells out what to expect, and there are no extras. Intelligent and worth seeing!
BuderBum314
10-10-23, 07:27
Lilly is a great value. Awesome massage and very sensual. Her ad spells out what to expect, and there are no extras. Intelligent and worth seeing!What area of Stl is she located?
What area of Stl is she located?https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/stl-finest-nulbsensual-lilly-26450.html
SouthCityGuySt
10-10-23, 11:09
Does she still do her covid screening crap? I tried her twice (pre fee uppage to $200 or so) and both times she failed to get me off with HE, I didn't bother coming back again for further service.My experiences with Scarlett couldn't have been more different than yours. And let me just say that the $300 session is worth every penny and then some. Yes, the screening is somewhat of a hassle, but when Covid hit, she had to do what she felt necessary to keep herself safe when having multiple people at her place. Her service is phenomenal from the massage to the extras after if you decide to go that route. Needless to say, I highly recommend her.
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/stl-finest-nulbsensual-lilly-26450.htmlNorth County. Safe neighborhood.
PelotaGuy10
10-10-23, 16:41
Anyone been to the Four Seasons Massage in Rock Hill? Good, Bad, Worth it?
Decent massage with HJ. Average.
Decent massage with HJ. Average.
Eveready1469
10-10-23, 20:55
Decent massage with HJ. Average.This must of been from your July post. That gal (think it was Anna) was only there a week or so. Think she went to Calla.
This must of been from your July post. That gal (think it was Anna) was only there a week or so. Think she went to Calla.It was back in July haven't been there since! Do know gals name.
What should I be expecting? I'm kind of interested in what she thinks on different topics, though I've heard that she may be more quiet now due to it being talked about here. For the first time I'm mainly interested in just the rub / he to get to know her, not really any fetish stuff. Is she pushy at all on that? I'm assuming she likes a good tip on top of the standard, what's your usual? Thanks!
What should I be expecting? I'm kind of interested in what she thinks on different topics, though I've heard that she may be more quiet now due to it being talked about here. For the first time I'm mainly interested in just the rub / he to get to know her, not really any fetish stuff. Is she pushy at all on that? I'm assuming she likes a good tip on top of the standard, what's your usual? Thanks!I last saw her pre-covid. Beautiful girl. Nice body. You would notice her IRL. Bra / panties set. Table massage. Some touching allowed but not much. At 100 a bargin HJ. Studio is an apartment in Webster. Safe neighborhood, clean place. She is an ex-PLM / YGND girl from when Eden and Lilia were YGND. You will leave smiling.
Had a little box for your phone. Said someone tried recording her. I just leave my phone in the car. Conspiracy nut. Black helicopters, the mob, area 51, every thing. Just relax and say OK. Mr. Happy doesn't care about black helicopters or the trilateral commission. He is there to blow a load.
AmpMonger18
10-11-23, 10:48
Mimi in Swansea is worth the trip. You can walk in but it is better to text for appointment. Otherwise you may have to wait longer. Also, limit the text to appointment details. Do not ask too many questions about the sessions. A word to the newbies. None of these ladies will ever give details on text or phone. Especially if they do not know you. DM for details.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/221342.html
Mimi in Swansea is worth the trip. You can walk in but it is better to text for appointment. Otherwise you may have to wait longer. Also, limit the text to appointment details. Do not ask too many questions about the sessions. A word to the newbies. None of these ladies will ever give details on text or phone. Especially if they do not know you. DM for details.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/221342.htmlShe's older than Jesus.
JShanahan427
10-11-23, 16:39
I last saw her pre-covid. Beautiful girl. Nice body. You would notice her IRL. Bra / panties set. Table massage. Some touching allowed but not much. At 100 a bargin HJ. Studio is an apartment in Webster. Safe neighborhood, clean place. She is an ex-PLM / YGND girl from when Eden and Lilia were YGND. You will leave smiling.
Had a little box for your phone. Said someone tried recording her. I just leave my phone in the car. Conspiracy nut. Black helicopters, the mob, area 51, every thing. Just relax and say OK. Mr. Happy doesn't care about black helicopters or the trilateral commission. He is there to blow a load.Thanks for the info. I am also interested in seeing her in the next couple of weeks. Although I am looking to try out her fetish offerings. My experience with persons who may be legit crazy / looney has been minimal to say the least. The conspiracy talk honestly seems like it would be offputting / put me on edge a bit, but if you can mostly just knod through it to get to the fun it seems like she's worth the effort. Curious if she mostly babbles during the massage, and then quiets down a bit during the finish? If I do see her I will definetly report back.
What should I be expecting? I'm kind of interested in what she thinks on different topics, though I've heard that she may be more quiet now due to it being talked about here. For the first time I'm mainly interested in just the rub / he to get to know her, not really any fetish stuff. Is she pushy at all on that? I'm assuming she likes a good tip on top of the standard, what's your usual? Thanks!Anyone use those toys on Abbey James she has in her ads?
Anyone use those toys on Abbey James she has in her ads?Those toys aren't for Abbey, they're for you!
North County. Safe neighborhood.She looks good, but I have this impression the top stays on. Would that be an accurate assessment? Can anyone say if anything is removed during the session?
NinjaMachine
10-12-23, 15:55
Hey all,
I'm looking for the girls that used to work at Heathy Body Day Spa in St. Peters / Charles. Specifically, Sunny, I had been seeing her for like 6 years. Had no idea they were closing. Any information on where they might be working. Thanks!
RicharddAngle
10-13-23, 00:22
Hey all,
I'm looking for the girls that used to work at Heathy Body Day Spa in St. Peters / Charles. Specifically, Sunny, I had been seeing her for like 6 years. Had no idea they were closing. Any information on where they might be working. Thanks!I saw Sunny at Calla a few months ago, but don't remember if she was going by the same name there, but still the same service. No idea where Monica went.
I did stop in the new place. The Asian girls there spoke very good English and things looked totally legit, so I didn't try them.
Those toys aren't for Abbey, they're for you!Abbey has toys for herself too. But those are for her! You treat her right she will treat you right. She is a beautiful girl that has worked very hard to look that way and stay looking that way. There is a lot more to her than meets the eye.
BuderBum314
10-13-23, 08:25
Finally got to see Abbey James recently. Location is the apartment in a good neighborhood. Parking is safe as well. Upon meeting Abby she led me to a room and told me to get comfortable. We both start undressing and she strips down to nothing but panties. She is very attractive with a nice big set of man mades. We start talking and if you've read other reviews, they are pretty much spot on. She loves to talk. I have ADHD so it was hard for me to follow along with all the different stuff she was saying so every 30 seconds or so I would just say "yeah" or "mmhm" something to show that I agreed with her. I won't go into detail with everything we talked about, but she definitely has a few screws loose.
Long story short, if you are wanting a good massage, do not go see Abby. The massage itself was horrible. Felt more like my girlfriend rubbing her hand up and down my back more than anything therapeutic. Except Abby used about a liter of oil to go along with it. I felt my legs whenever she was done, and they were saturated. However, if you want to get a decent HJ by a beautiful girl, then you should definitely give her a try. I would rather spend 100 at an AMP and get a good to great massage with a HJHE by a girl far less attractive, but that's just me. If I do decide to see her again it'll be because of the convenience of the location for me compared to where I work and live.
Also, just to possibly answer a few questions you may have, there was no mutual touch. At least nothing more than me like rubbing on her legs a little bit, but there was never really even a great opportunity to ask. She may let you, but I didn't care to ask. As for you guys that are into the kinkier stuff it was never brought up and I wasn't curious about it, and same with "extras". From what I can tell, an HJ finish is the only option.
BB.
Rolled the dice and wished I didn't. Fr8 dndly but very old and not very attractive. Massage is horrible with those long ass sharp fingernails and it's all over the price. Price is ridiculous for what's offered.
Stick with Centreville for same rates but better quality of service.
Mimi in Swansea is worth the trip. You can walk in but it is better to text for appointment. Otherwise you may have to wait longer. Also, limit the text to appointment details. Do not ask too many questions about the sessions. A word to the newbies. None of these ladies will ever give details on text or phone. Especially if they do not know you. DM for details.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/221342.html
I'm a first timer and am looking at Riverside, Cozy, Massage Miracles, and Lily Health Spa because they are close to my work. Any tips or experiences would be appreciated! Thanks!
It's likely common knowledge but her ad reads retiring Nov 1. FYI. Shell be missed as I found her cordial , reliable, and straightforward. Ill wish her the best not that I know her well.
It’s 2024 November sorry.
HardHitter88
10-14-23, 10:49
I'm a first timer and am looking at Riverside, Cozy, Massage Miracles, and Lily Health Spa because they are close to my work. Any tips or experiences would be appreciated! Thanks!Thought I'd give it a shot one afternoon. Hadn't seen any reviews and wondered. Walked in, seemed standard and my hopes were up. I was disappointed. No teasing, no DIY, nothing and the massage was average. Someone else might have more or better information, but that was my experience.
Rickstr352
10-14-23, 14:08
It's likely common knowledge but her ad reads retiring Nov 1. FYI. Shell be missed as I found her cordial , reliable, and straightforward. Ill wish her the best not that I know her well.
Its 2024 November sorry.Just curious, anyone been with Lilia since she announced her retirement? Did she validate next year?
It's a little strange to announce 13 months before! Maybe she means this year?
I'm a first timer and am looking at Riverside, Cozy, Massage Miracles, and Lily Health Spa because they are close to my work. Any tips or experiences would be appreciated! Thanks!Those AMPs are legit, always have been. If you want to DIY, don't be surprised if they leave the room. They know your routine. You may find a gal who will cooperate with you for a DIY, but its pretty rare for my experience in St Chas. BUT you will get a good massage.
The workers are women mostly over 35 and average looks.
Just curious, anyone been with Lilia since she announced her retirement? Did she validate next year?
It's a little strange to announce 13 months before! Maybe she means this year?She was clear that It's Nov 2024. She'll be missed from the scene if this date remains intact. The great people are retiring lately or are announcing future dates. They all likely have different reasons but the no shows, cancellations, etc I'm betting are contributing factors in most cases.
Billaffton
10-14-23, 17:29
Anyone use those toys on Abbey James she has in her ads?You REALLY don't want to know her views. They are nothing but lunatic conspiracy theories. She definitely belongs to the cult.
Rolled the dice and wished I didn't. Fr8 dndly but very old and not very attractive. Massage is horrible with those long ass sharp fingernails and it's all over the price. Price is ridiculous for what's offered.
Stick with Centreville for same rates but better quality of service.That's a true reflection of what you will find there. Don't trust the other comments for this place.
Anyone been to the Four Seasons Massage in Rock Hill? Good, Bad, Worth it?Four Seasons is good Asian massage but that is all. If you are not getting what you want there, give Nikki a call. She is just west of there on Manchester.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/217375.html
Recently saw her for the first time, and wow the reports are true. She is certified bat shit crazy! I honestly wanted to see for myself and for $100 it was a low cost investment. Got to her place in Webster, she's attractive with big man mades. She stopped the terrible massage several time to show me pics on her phone, went on and on about the book she is writing and the FBI said her sister is working for Pro Lux, under the guise of Savannah and it sounds like she offers plenty of upgrades. Overall the massage was awful, the finish was fine but nothing to write home about. Would never repeat.
AmpMonger18
10-18-23, 09:27
Walked in at Spring Spa in O'Fallon and was pleasantly surprised by LMT quality full body massage face down and on the flip. I had to wait a bit so I will call next time. . 6 at the door. 4 for tip.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/221384.html
Reading this thread from time to time seems to tell me finding an AMP that does the BJ happy ending is nothing but a fantasy here in STL region huh?
Reading this thread from time to time seems to tell me finding an AMP that does the BJ happy ending is nothing but a fantasy here in STL region huh?Check the Centerville AMPs. BJ and FS are available in Illinois.
Reading this thread from time to time seems to tell me finding an AMP that does the BJ happy ending is nothing but a fantasy here in STL region huh?Head over to Centreville IL for that action. Over there FS and BBBJ are expected. If you only want a massage and a HJ, stay in Missouri, that request would only disappoint your provider, they know what they are. Don't cheap out and try to negotiate them down, that's the reason that we don't get the young attractive providers around here, this area has gotten a reputation for cheap customers.
Is Soulard Susan still in the game?
Is Soulard Susan still in the game?Yes she is, I see her somewhat regularly but she's hard to get a hold of.
Recently saw her for the first time, and wow the reports are true. She is certified bat shit crazy! I honestly wanted to see for myself and for $100 it was a low cost investment. Got to her place in Webster, she's attractive with big man mades. She stopped the terrible massage several time to show me pics on her phone, went on and on about the book she is writing and the FBI said her sister is working for Pro Lux, under the guise of Savannah and it sounds like she offers plenty of upgrades. Overall the massage was awful, the finish was fine but nothing to write home about. Would never repeat.I saw her recently too, and while I agree the bedside manner doesn't leave things open for some people to want to repeat, my massage was good and I left happy. Will I return, perhaps, but it's a bit far for me.
BuderBum314
10-20-23, 16:08
I saw her recently too, and while I agree the bedside manner doesn't leave things open for some people to want to repeat, my massage was good and I left happy. Will I return, perhaps, but it's a bit far for me.My massage was absolute dog shit!! A 5 year old could have done a better job. And you can forget about relaxing. The talking was non stop for 40 minutes. The only enjoyable part was the finish.
As a stated in my earlier review of her. I may repeat (if I feel like getting jerked off by a nice looking gal with huge tits) but I would never repeat if I want a decent massage to be included with that.
BB.
Four Seasons is good Asian massage but that is all. If you are not getting what you want there, give Nikki a call. She is just west of there on Manchester.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/217375.htmlNikki is almost always late and mechanical. Have not seen her in years since she was in Clayton. What is she offering for VIP?
Yes she is, I see her somewhat regularly but she's hard to get a hold of.Can I get her number, I'd like to give her a try.
Member #6538
10-22-23, 15:37
Could anyone tell me about Jasmine? Looking to go today. Is it safe or being staked? How much for more than an HE?
Feel free to PM me.
DeadDead22
10-22-23, 22:10
Could anyone tell me about Jasmine? Looking to go today. Is it safe or being staked? How much for more than an HE?
Feel free to PM me.https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/sex-workers-allies-want-next-st-louis-mayor-to-respect-the-hustle-34923526
FWIW, Jasmine on Chippewa is inside the city limits. I'm surprised more of these haven't popped up since Mayor Jones made it part of her platform. And city cops don'why have the manpower to police this kinda thing anyway.
I'm trying to make a trip today or tomorrow, however Google says they are not open Mondays and Tuesdays. I don't think I've tried to go on one before to see if that's really the case or not.
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/sex-workers-allies-want-next-st-louis-mayor-to-respect-the-hustle-34923526
FWIW, Jasmine on Chippewa is inside the city limits. I'm surprised more of these haven't popped up since Mayor Jones made it part of her platform. And city cops don'why have the manpower to police this kinda thing anyway.MO Ho coalition gives me a chuckle 🤭.
Nikki is almost always late and mechanical. Have not seen her in years since she was in Clayton. What is she offering for VIP?For years I have heard that Nikki was always late and the service was limited. More recent reports said different so I gave her a shot.
She was right on time. More recent reports have said she is running on time for everyone.
She is as advertised, a smaller woman, pretty lean. Nice little body. I went for the 200 VIP so everything came off. Nice butt, and rub in front. Some light teasing while I was face down. On the flip she hopped up for some DATY. Very clean. In short order Mr. Happy was very happy.
Her current location is on Manchester east of Lindbergh. Pretty handy and offers discreet parking. I would repeat.
DeadDead22
10-23-23, 14:14
For years I have heard that Nikki was always late and the service was limited. More recent reports said different so I gave her a shot.
She was right on time. More recent reports have said she is running on time for everyone.
She is as advertised, a smaller woman, pretty lean. Nice little body. I went for the 200 VIP so everything came off. Nice butt, and rub in front. Some light teasing while I was face down. On the flip she hopped up for some DATY. Very clean. In short order Mr. Happy was very happy.
Her current location is on Manchester east of Lindbergh. Pretty handy and offers discreet parking. I would repeat.I've been seeing her off and on since about 2014 when she was in downtown Clayton in that basement commercial space. She's been late about half the time. I saw her about a year ago. Late. So you probably just got lucky. I decided to stop seeing her because there is nothing past DATY and HJ, reasonably speaking. If you're fine with a great HJ from an attractive woman with great (seriously, GREAT) fake tits, then she is your girl. She is a good time.
Has anyone tried Vii from Silk Somantics?
Splatter34
10-23-23, 18:06
Has anyone tried Vii from Silk Somantics?Me too. Me too!
Her web site is interesting, but I'm thinking the line is drawn at legitimacy. Probably still enjoyable and worth it.
Would love to hear about any experiences there.
Thanks. J.
Me too. Me too!
Her web site is interesting, but I'm thinking the line is drawn at legitimacy. Probably still enjoyable and worth it.
Would love to hear about any experiences there.
Thanks. J.Let me know if you try. I'll do the same. Have a phone call with her tomorrow. Hope to find out more specifics.
Anyone know if Leslie is still doing massage?
Anyone tried Natlie at artformassage lately?
Me too. Me too!
Her web site is interesting, but I'm thinking the line is drawn at legitimacy. Probably still enjoyable and worth it.
Would love to hear about any experiences there.
Thanks. J.I think she worked at Profesional Luxury Massage as Ivy. Don't know what all will be available but erotic rub seems likely to me.
For years I have heard that Nikki was always late and the service was limited. More recent reports said different so I gave her a shot.
She was right on time. More recent reports have said she is running on time for everyone.
She is as advertised, a smaller woman, pretty lean. Nice little body. I went for the 200 VIP so everything came off. Nice butt, and rub in front. Some light teasing while I was face down. On the flip she hopped up for some DATY. Very clean. In short order Mr. Happy was very happy.
Her current location is on Manchester east of Lindbergh. Pretty handy and offers discreet parking. I would repeat.Does Nikki require a picture / phot for screening?
Lately I struck out with two different ladies due to photo issue. This requirement was not listed in the advertisement.
Photo and deposits are NO go for me.
DeadDead22
10-24-23, 08:30
Does Nikki require a picture / phot for screening?
Lately I struck out with two different ladies due to photo issue. This requirement was not listed in the advertisement.
Photo and deposits are NO go for me.No photo or deposit for Nikki that I am aware of. But if you've never seen her, you will not get the VIP massage. At least that what she's told me about newbies. You have to go at least once, which means you may get tits with her shirt pulled up or not. Kinda depends on her mood and how she's vibing with you. On the positive note, the regular massage is cheaper ($125) and still includes her good HJ technique.
Amphibian777
10-24-23, 10:13
Which MO side AMPs will pull up their top and let the girls out during massage + HE?
Member #2613
10-24-23, 14:17
No photo or deposit for Nikki that I am aware of. But if you've never seen her, you will not get the VIP massage. At least that what she's told me about newbies. You have to go at least once, which means you may get tits with her shirt pulled up or not. Kinda depends on her mood and how she's vibing with you. On the positive note, the regular massage is cheaper ($125) and still includes her good HJ technique.https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/158090929
Maybe not based upon the man made one the one in the link don't seem to be fantastically made, not being disrespectful just.
My humble opinion.
I was in town and able to schedule a time with Ember. She came to my place and we had a blast. She didn't miss a beat and it was hot.
Sexy strip tease with a BBBJ just how I remembered it and she was tight.
Can't wait to go back.
I was in town and able to schedule a time with Ember. She came to my place and we had a blast. She didn't miss a beat and it was hot.
Sexy strip tease with a BBBJ just how I remembered it and she was tight.
Can't wait to go back.Is is she posting anywhere? I've been wanting to get ahold of her to schedule but her page is down on the Angels site. Reanne’s is still up but she’s doesn’t respond.
Had the same issue with Reanne. DM me if you want more info.
Is is she posting anywhere? I've been wanting to get ahold of her to schedule but her page is down on the Angels site. Reannes is still up but shes doesnt respond.
DeadDead22
10-24-23, 21:46
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/158090929
Maybe not based upon the man made one the one in the link don't seem to be fantastically made, not being disrespectful just.
My humble opinion.You're talking about the wrong Nikki.
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/threeonefour-5six5-1-text-for-appointment-31473.html
Honest mistake.
You're talking about the wrong Nikki.
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/threeonefour-5six5-1-text-for-appointment-31473.html
Honest mistake.Who determines which Nikki it is? Could just be a misunderstanding or the right one?
HotStoneStl
10-25-23, 11:48
I got the best Asian massage at Zen on Manchester with deep tissue, walk on back. While only massage, it was one of the best. All Asian stores are very liberal with the amount of covers and oil used. They are also much more intimate with the massage. That is what creates the possibility for extras when you visit them often and they know you. Just letting you all know, while there was brushing and some incidental contact, it stayed flirty and friendly. Which includes the very thorough table shower.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/216997.html
Go to Zen for a high-quality Asian style body massage. Go to Classic, Health, Jasmine Chippewa or Calla for the no massage rub and tug.
I got the best Asian massage at Zen on Manchester with deep tissue, walk on back. While only massage, it was one of the best. All Asian stores are very liberal with the amount of covers and oil used. They are also much more intimate with the massage. That is what creates the possibility for extras when you visit them often and they know you. Just letting you all know, while there was brushing and some incidental contact, it stayed flirty and friendly. Which includes the very thorough table shower.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/216997.html
Go to Zen for a high-quality Asian style body massage. Go to Classic, Health, Jasmine Chippewa or Calla for the no massage rub and tug.Sounds like a shill to me, I've gotten good massages at calla and health. Calla though only offered HE 1 of the 2 times I visited-second trip was DIY with dirty engrish whispered in my ear. I haven't been back there since (it's $70 at the door /$60 for he anyways, rather go elsewhere and save money.).
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10-25-23, 19:31
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BukkakeLuvr
10-26-23, 12:21
Any information on Holly from Rubrankings?
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/petite-blondie-hot-erotic-massage-nulb-39673.html
Any information on Holly from Rubrankings?
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/petite-blondie-hot-erotic-massage-nulb-39673.htmlFake and best guess a scammer of some kind. Tell ya, reverse image lookup is SOP.
Only a dozen of "other" things from all over the place when doing a lookup on Yandex.
Any information on Holly from Rubrankings?
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/petite-blondie-hot-erotic-massage-nulb-39673.htmlGood luck with that one! Reeks of FAKE! And I bet she wants a deposit.
DukeOfDank
10-26-23, 14:12
Any information on Holly from Rubrankings?
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/petite-blondie-hot-erotic-massage-nulb-39673.htmlThose pictures are pornstar Kendra Sunderland. It's a fake ad for sure.
Any information on Holly from Rubrankings?
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/petite-blondie-hot-erotic-massage-nulb-39673.htmlNo part of that looks real.
HotStoneStl
10-26-23, 15:53
I am looking to try Summer in SOCO. Reply here or PM if you have tried her recently and what to expect.
Thanks in advance.
I am looking to try Summer in SOCO. Reply here or PM if you have tried her recently and what to expect.
Thanks in advance.Summer is great. She provides a sensual massage usually nude or in panties. She is a little older but very attractive with nice natural boobs. She has a great ass. She does not offer FS but her massage is decent with a really good finish. She is friendly and talkative if you want. I've never had a bad experience with her.
FredAgain123
10-26-23, 23:23
Summer is great. She provides a sensual massage usually nude or in panties. She is a little older but very attractive with nice natural boobs. She has a great ass. She does not offer FS but her massage is decent with a really good finish. She is friendly and talkative if you want. I've never had a bad experience with her.Can you send a link?
DiveMasterStl
10-27-23, 14:34
I am looking to try Summer in SOCO. Reply here or PM if you have tried her recently and what to expect.
Thanks in advance.Summer is great. Been seeing her for 8 or so years. She's a sweetheart. Treat her right and take care of her and you'll enjoy.
SamsGuy6423
10-27-23, 20:34
Walked in at Spring Spa in O'Fallon and was pleasantly surprised by LMT quality full body massage face down and on the flip. I had to wait a bit so I will call next time. . 6 at the door. 4 for tip.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/221384.htmlWhere there anything extra offered or DIY?
BuderBum314
10-27-23, 23:49
I got the best Asian massage at Zen on Manchester with deep tissue, walk on back. While only massage, it was one of the best. All Asian stores are very liberal with the amount of covers and oil used. They are also much more intimate with the massage. That is what creates the possibility for extras when you visit them often and they know you. Just letting you all know, while there was brushing and some incidental contact, it stayed flirty and friendly. Which includes the very thorough table shower.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/216997.html
Go to Zen for a high-quality Asian style body massage. Go to Classic, Health, Jasmine Chippewa or Calla for the no massage rub and tug.I kindly disagree when it come to the quality of the massage at Jasmine Chippewa. I've been there about a dozen times in the last year and I've never been disappointed with the massage. I've never been rushed and the majority of the time after the HE is over with and I've got 10-15 minutes left I've gotten a great foot massage till my time was up.
DiveMasterStl
10-28-23, 07:14
Any one seen her or heard from her lately? Is she even ok?
I got the best Asian massage at Zen on Manchester with deep tissue, walk on back. While only massage, it was one of the best. All Asian stores are very liberal with the amount of covers and oil used. They are also much more intimate with the massage. That is what creates the possibility for extras when you visit them often and they know you. Just letting you all know, while there was brushing and some incidental contact, it stayed flirty and friendly. Which includes the very thorough table shower.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/216997.html
Go to Zen for a high-quality Asian style body massage. Go to Classic, Health, Jasmine Chippewa or Calla for the no massage rub and tug.Anyone have extras with zen on Manchester? I went today and no extras on my first trip. However they were really liberal on the touching.
Rubs Are Fun
10-28-23, 21:55
I went looking for Health Spa in Chesterfield this afternoon, but where I expected it to be was a massage parlor called "Sunny's. " Is that the same place that Health Spa used to be? While I was in the parking lot I spotted the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man in somebody's backyard. It must be 15 to 20 feet tall. The wind moved the arms and hands making it seem alive. I tried to attach a photo but the 'manage attachments" button wasn't responding.
Anyone have extras with zen on Manchester? I went today and no extras on my first trip. However they were really liberal on the touching.I've never been, but it's pretty close to my neighborhood, so I keep an eye out for such details. I've always heard about Zen: a) Great massage, and b) No funny business / HE's.
HotStoneStl
10-30-23, 09:45
Rolled the dice and wished I didn't. Fr8 dndly but very old and not very attractive. Massage is horrible with those long ass sharp fingernails and it's all over the price. Price is ridiculous for what's offered.
Stick with Centreville for same rates but better quality of service.https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/226974.html
I figured I would try Mimi in Swansea to see for myself. Seems like a nice lady, I have no idea her age but I would think she is about my same age. I cannot complain about the body rub or the price. I agree that this is not like Centerville and not sure FS is even an option however I left very relaxed. It was bit drafty in the old house but space heaters worked for the time I was there.
All in all, I would recommend if you are older like me and like to take your time, not to pushy and go with the flow. These days, I appreciate any ladies doing working hard for the money. A tip: I did find out she does not like talk on the phone or text much but she was easy to talk to once you get there.
I've never been, but it's pretty close to my neighborhood, so I keep an eye out for such details. I've always heard about Zen: a) Great massage, and b) No funny business / HE's.There is one guy here who swears to get HJs at Zen. There are a bunch of other guys who don't. I was one and done with almost no DIY. I can do that at home.
There is one guy here who swears to get HJs at Zen. There are a bunch of other guys who don't. I was one and done with almost no DIY. I can do that at home.Foe the thousandth tome on here, there are NO ZERO NADA extras at Zen. The massage isn't even good. Been there maybe 15 times in 10 years because it's close and I'm a sucker for convenience. But the people on here who keep giving good reviews of Zen are being paid or something. It's a whole weird thing. The last time I was there was awful in every way, including the fire alarms / gas detectors going off. Then was chased out to my car when I didn't tip for terrible service. . Once again, Zen is trash.
There is one guy here who swears to get HJs at Zen. There are a bunch of other guys who don't. I was one and done with almost no DIY. I can do that at home.(I have been on / off this site for 15 yrs) Yes you will find reviews that appear to be promoting a certain business, possibly because that person has a connection to the owner, manager etc. I agree, Zen is a nice clean store and good massage only (I haven't had any FUN since Monica worked there 4-5 years ago). She was the only one I was aware of and the reason for my repeated visits.
There are many many exaggerated reports on this site, false boasting. Its a public forum, ya take the good with the bad reporting.
HINT. Use the advance search option.
Long time lurker, first time poster. Saw Olivia with ProLux yesterday afternoon. She was hot! Long red hair, petite build with nice rack and ass. Offered a few extras. No BJ unfortunately but what I got was exciting enough for me. Anyone seen any of the other girls with ProLux? Was thinking of trying out the others but not sure.
TheBoy8292
10-31-23, 17:39
Long time lurker, first time poster. Saw Olivia with ProLux yesterday afternoon. She was hot! Long red hair, petite build with nice rack and ass. Offered a few extras. No BJ unfortunately but what I got was exciting enough for me. Anyone seen any of the other girls with ProLux? Was thinking of trying out the others but not sure.Tried Brea sometime back it was not bad but no BJ only HE with sensual session.
BuderBum314
11-01-23, 00:00
Tried Brea sometime back it was not bad but no BJ only HE with sensual session.Tried Brea out a couple weeks ago. She was awesome. So sweet and easy to talk to and a great personality. The massage itself was not great. Felt more like she was moisturizing my body with lotion than a decent rub or massage. However, her personality and the ending made it all worthwhile. I will definitely be seeing her again and I recommend you do the same.
Anyone know if Leslie is still doing massage?Yes. Leslie still sees some old clients but very limited and very discreet.
Long time lurker, first time poster. Saw Olivia with ProLux yesterday afternoon. She was hot! Long red hair, petite build with nice rack and ass. Offered a few extras. No BJ unfortunately but what I got was exciting enough for me. Anyone seen any of the other girls with ProLux? Was thinking of trying out the others but not sure.I've seen Sophia with prolux. Very nice girl with a sweet attitude. Very sensual massage with a great HJ he. I don't believe extras are on in the table but will bring it up next time I see her.
I agree with Tony on this note on another note anybody know what ever happened to Monica she was so much fun I would like to know what happened to her just PM me thanks I just joined site always used rubmaps in the past.
(I have been on / off this site for 15 yrs) Yes you will find reviews that appear to be promoting a certain business, possibly because that person has a connection to the owner, manager etc. I agree, Zen is a nice clean store and good massage only (I haven't had any FUN since Monica worked there 4-5 years ago). She was the only one I was aware of and the reason for my repeated visits.
Rickstr352
11-01-23, 13:03
Long time lurker, first time poster. Saw Olivia with ProLux yesterday afternoon. She was hot! Long red hair, petite build with nice rack and ass. Offered a few extras. No BJ unfortunately but what I got was exciting enough for me. Anyone seen any of the other girls with ProLux? Was thinking of trying out the others but not sure.Brea is great. Definitely give her a go.
MysteryMan115
11-01-23, 16:04
Brea is great. Definitely give her a go.Does she allow for MT?
What amount of tip is expected above the 1.6?
Rickstr352
11-01-23, 17:41
Does she allow for MT?
What amount of tip is expected above the 1.6?If you dr first timer, I'd say some. After that, yes.
They raised their price to 175. In general, I usually tip 20% if it's good and I want to come back again with any provider.
SouthCityGuySt
11-02-23, 11:44
I stopped by Jasmine last week after trying to call ahead and it just rang endlessly so I took my chances on a walk-in. Someone was just coming down the stairs as I walked in and a younger attractive girl asked me to wait in the lobby for a few minutes. She then escorted me upstairs to a room and I asked for an hour session ($60). Being somewhat experienced, I expected an older woman to come in the room and to my surprise, it was the woman who I met in the lobby. Probably early 30's at most with a tight little body. Massage was good with some moderate but intentional teasing where she'd brush my balls and shaft as she spent a lot of time on my butt and thighs. On the flip, she kept the towel over my cock but still with some teasing and she allowed some OTC touch on her legs, ass and tits. I knew we were probably running short on time and pulled the towel off my cock and unfortunately she only offered DIY but pulled her shirt up (kept her bra on) and put her leg up on the table to allow me access between her legs. I tried to get my hands under her bra and in her tight little yoga pants but she politely declined. Nonetheless she seems to enjoy me rubbing her through her pants with one hand while I took care of myself with the other. Perhaps I'll try again to see if she'll help next time instead of DIY but it was a good experience with an attractive younger Asian. I left a $40 tip.I stopped in at Jasmine again last week and got lucky yet again on walk-in availability. I also got the same girl as last time and was hopeful for more. Fortunately, I was not disappointed. Much more teasing and deliberate contact with my cock during the massage and also a great butt massage where she quite intentionally went up and down my ass and down to my balls. On the flip, she continued to tease as she massaged my inner thighs and started lightly massaging the boys. I pulled the towel off and she said "good tip?" I nodded and she positioned herself to give me access to her body. None of her clothes came off but she seemed to enjoy me rubbing her ass and between her legs as well as reaching under her shirt. Tried to get her to raise her shirt and take off her bra but she just giggled and politely said no. The finish was nice as she oiled me up and spit on my cock multiple times to get things nice and lubed up. I'll definitely be going back and hopefully things continue to progress on future visits. $60 for the hour and $60 tip.
Has anyone tried CY Massage, K Massage, or Z Spa in the Ofallon St Peters area?
SamuelAdams
11-02-23, 15:54
Has anyone tried CY Massage, K Massage, or Z Spa in the Ofallon St Peters area?I am also interested to know about these places please dm me anyone know more, thanks.
MysteryMan115
11-02-23, 17:21
Has anyone tried CY Massage, K Massage, or Z Spa in the Ofallon St Peters area?I've been to both K and Cy once. Fair massage, little tease, I've only had DIY offered in st. Charles county.
Has anyone tried CY Massage, K Massage, or Z Spa in the Ofallon St Peters area?Good massage only. No innuendo remarks either. This goes for all of the AMPs in St Charles county.
Good massage only. No innuendo remarks either. This goes for all of the AMPs in St Charles county.I'd be very happy for a good massage and a table shower. Thanks for the info friend!
Rickstr352
11-02-23, 18:19
Good massage only. No innuendo remarks either. This goes for all of the AMPs in St Charles county.I've been to K and CY and had DiY with some help at both. But it's been a month plus since I've been there.
Yes, sounds like you got Julia she will suck your cock raw for 200 tip and fuck you for 300 tip heads up. I did her quite a bit this way. Get it while you can.
I stopped in at Jasmine again last week and got lucky yet again on walk-in availability. I also got the same girl as last time and was hopeful for more. Fortunately, I was not disappointed. Much more teasing and deliberate contact with my cock during the massage and also a great butt massage where she quite intentionally went up and down my ass and down to my balls. On the flip, she continued to tease as she massaged my inner thighs and started lightly massaging the boys. I pulled the towel off and she said "good tip?" I nodded and she positioned herself to give me access to her body. None of her clothes came off but she seemed to enjoy me rubbing her ass and between her legs as well as reaching under her shirt. Tried to get her to raise her shirt and take off her bra but she just giggled and politely said no. The finish was nice as she oiled me up and spit on my cock multiple times to get things nice and lubed up. I'll definitely be going back and hopefully things continue to progress on future visits. $60 for the hour and $60 tip.
I know the owner and the others here its only legit massage, they do not do anything more and won't not for any price. I originally tried and offered a lot, I was turned down flat told its only massage and will always only be massage so if your looking for just massage I recommend.
Decent massage with HJ. Average.
Long time lurker, first time poster. Saw Olivia with ProLux yesterday afternoon. She was hot! Long red hair, petite build with nice rack and ass. Offered a few extras. No BJ unfortunately but what I got was exciting enough for me. Anyone seen any of the other girls with ProLux? Was thinking of trying out the others but not sure.Her pictures on the PLM site lean more towards curvy than petite. If the latter is the case, why not update the photos? Surely any woman would probably prefer to have a more slim figure represented.
Little sus.
CaptJack73
11-04-23, 10:05
Was in the area last week and decided to try Tokyo spa in Centerville, as I pulled up the lane, I saw another truck there. I saw a contractor working on the front steps and I was like damn, I don't want to walk in while he was standing there LOL. So I just turned and started to back out, when I noticed in the mirror an older Asian lady running after me yelling something.
I just sped up and she ran after me a few more feet. Guess she wanted my business that bad. Being chased by mama San. LOL. So I just drove over to Fuji spa, had a good time with an late 40's early 50's lady, didn't catch name. But I left happy.
Rnmhrd5050
11-04-23, 14:50
Has anyone tried CY Massage, K Massage, or Z Spa in the Ofallon St Peters area?Been to all a few Times, some Teasing but usually only DIY.
GreenShirt80
11-04-23, 23:50
I stopped in at Jasmine again last week and got lucky yet again on walk-in availability. I also got the same girl as last time and was hopeful for more. Fortunately, I was not disappointed. Much more teasing and deliberate contact with my cock during the massage and also a great butt massage where she quite intentionally went up and down my ass and down to my balls. On the flip, she continued to tease as she massaged my inner thighs and started lightly massaging the boys. I pulled the towel off and she said "good tip?" I nodded and she positioned herself to give me access to her body. None of her clothes came off but she seemed to enjoy me rubbing her ass and between her legs as well as reaching under her shirt. Tried to get her to raise her shirt and take off her bra but she just giggled and politely said no. The finish was nice as she oiled me up and spit on my cock multiple times to get things nice and lubed up. I'll definitely be going back and hopefully things continue to progress on future visits. $60 for the hour and $60 tip.Years ago there was a slightly older woman working at Jasmine that had huge knockers and would whip them out, I always wonder what happened to her. I cannot remember her name but if anyone knows if she's still around send me a DM and I can give info of where my luck has been lately. God speed.
Was in the area last week and decided to try Tokyo spa in Centerville, as I pulled up the lane, I saw another truck there. I saw a contractor working on the front steps and I was like damn, I don't want to walk in while he was standing there LOL. So I just turned and started to back out, when I noticed in the mirror an older Asian lady running after me yelling something.
I just sped up and she ran after me a few more feet. Guess she wanted my business that bad. Being chased by mama San. LOL. So I just drove over to Fuji spa, had a good time with an late 40's early 50's lady, didn't catch name. But I left happy.Ha! Bet the worker had a good laugh. You know he's working for store credit.
Years ago there was a slightly older woman working at Jasmine that had huge knockers and would whip them out, I always wonder what happened to her. I cannot remember her name but if anyone knows if she's still around send me a DM and I can give info of where my luck has been lately. God speed.Possibly Meme?? There was a Lisa there too years ago I believe.
Anyone close enough to Prolux girl Sophia to know why she left them. Going out on her own maybe?
Heads Up - 314-806-70XX is a PayPal scam. Pay in advance $50.00 and it got as low as $20.00. I sure miss the amateur old days of CL.
I know the owner and the others here its only legit massage, they do not do anything more and won't not for any price. I originally tried and offered a lot, I was turned down flat told its only massage and will always only be massage so if your looking for just massage I recommend.You sound like damage control.
Just being honest with fellow mongers been going to many places just I know I don't want to waste time and money so passing it along. I have no skin in this game no pun intended. There are many options for fun this is just not one of them that's all I am saying.
You sound like damage control.
StCharlesTool2
11-07-23, 11:26
I agree with Tony on this note on another note anybody know what ever happened to Monica she was so much fun I would like to know what happened to her just PM me thanks I just joined site always used rubmaps in the past.There is a Monica at Spring Spa in O'Fallon that does a really good massage. Not sure if this is the Monica you are looking for.
Very happy and friendly lady.
Rickstr352
11-07-23, 17:20
Anyone close enough to Prolux girl Sophia to know why she left them. Going out on her own maybe?You don't see too many hang with Prolux very long maybe because the owner takes 60% of the base fee!
HoneyBadger16
11-08-23, 11:23
Fair gentlemen of the St Louis forum. I'm headed to Fredericktown for the weekend of December 8th on an offsite job. I'm a big fan of AMPs but not having any luck finding one near my hotel. I have no issue driving to St Louis as it's about an hour. So my question is, where would you suggest I go if I only have one night to do so? I frequent establishments here at home that feature 30 ish year old providers that offer FS. Let me know your thoughts and if I'm better off just grabbing an escort instead. TIA!
SouthCityGuySt
11-08-23, 12:37
Her pictures on the PLM site lean more towards curvy than petite. If the latter is the case, why not update the photos? Surely any woman would probably prefer to have a more slim figure represented.
Little sus.If seen her several times and would say she's petite in that she's short but with an awesome curvy body. Great rack and ass along with a great curvy body. Let's just say you won't be disappointed. And by the way, those pictures are actually her.
Rickstr352
11-09-23, 00:08
If seen her several times and would say she's petite in that she's short but with an awesome curvy body. Great rack and ass along with a great curvy body. Let's just say you won't be disappointed. And by the way, those pictures are actually her.Does she do full or at least BBBJ?
SouthCityGuySt
11-09-23, 00:58
Does she do full or at least BBBJ?Not in my experiences, but haven't asked for either.
DeadDead22
11-09-23, 09:37
Fair gentlemen of the St Louis forum. I'm headed to Fredericktown for the weekend of December 8th on an offsite job. I'm a big fan of AMPs but not having any luck finding one near my hotel. I have no issue driving to St Louis as it's about an hour. So my question is, where would you suggest I go if I only have one night to do so? I frequent establishments here at home that feature 30 ish year old providers that offer FS. Let me know your thoughts and if I'm better off just grabbing an escort instead. TIA!Depends on what you're looking for in an AMP. West of the Mississippi is mostly DIY. A few places only do handies. They're pretty rare.
Centreville, IL (over the river) is open late and is more along the lines of an LA massage parlor / brothel. No pretense here. CBJ / CFS most of the time, with the occasional BBBJ.
But you will get no pussy on the Missouri side.
Escorts around here (the good ones) tend to be fairly picky since the scene sucks here. And they very often cancel on you. That would suck to have only one night and have that happen. AMP might be the way to go.
You don't see too many hang with Prolux very long maybe because the owner takes 60% of the base fee!Of the 160 you pay, Lake takes 50. The girls get the rest plus all tips and extras.
Rickstr352
11-11-23, 11:06
Of the 160 you pay, Lake takes 50. The girls get the rest plus all tips and extras.They now charge 175 and she's getting 70.
Finally made it to Jasmine a few weeks ago. Was met in the waiting room by Sophia. Very little English, but was OK with MT and she was very pretty 35 ish. On the flip she popped out her big round boobs with huge, dark areolas. HJ was juicy and her massage was first rate.
I called last week and asked for her, and they said, yes, what time, etc. When I got there and said I had an appointment with her, they kept me in the waiting area for a long time, and finally the gal who answered the door motioned for me to come back to a room. She was very sweet, older than Sophia, it was an average massage and average HJ. Keep dreaming of Sophia.
AceRimmer340
11-11-23, 13:42
Finally made it to Jasmine a few weeks ago. Was met in the waiting room by Sophia. Very little English, but was OK with MT and she was very pretty 35 ish. On the flip she popped out her big round boobs with huge, dark areolas. HJ was juicy and her massage was first rate.
I called last week and asked for her, and they said, yes, what time, etc. When I got there and said I had an appointment with her, they kept me in the waiting area for a long time, and finally the gal who answered the door motioned for me to come back to a room. She was very sweet, older than Sophia, it was an average massage and average HJ. Keep dreaming of Sophia.Is this the Jasmine on Manchester?
SamuelAdams
11-11-23, 14:25
Is this the Jasmine on Manchester?I guess chippewa and it is so much fun at chippewa location, YMMW.
Not the one Monica I am looking for.
There is a Monica at Spring Spa in O'Fallon that does a really good massage. Not sure if this is the Monica you are looking for.
Very happy and friendly lady.
I guess chippewa and it is so much fun at chippewa location, YMMW.Yes Chippewa.
HoneyBadger16
11-11-23, 19:04
Depends on what you're looking for in an AMP. West of the Mississippi is mostly DIY. A few places only do handies. They're pretty rare.
Centreville, IL (over the river) is open late and is more along the lines of an LA massage parlor / brothel. No pretense here. CBJ / CFS most of the time, with the occasional BBBJ.
But you will get no pussy on the Missouri side.
Escorts around here (the good ones) tend to be fairly picky since the scene sucks here. And they very often cancel on you. That would suck to have only one night and have that happen. AMP might be the way to go.I'll check out the IL side. Anything closer to Fredericktown on the IL side?
Glad to see Abbey has finally decided to go full service. She's still as bat shit crazy as hell as far as the prices are concerned, but a possible one and done may do it for me. "Select clients" now have the option to dish out 5 Benjamins for full service, which isn't to crazy, but above my normal rate; and 300 for lip service only, way above my lips only donation. The reviews should be interesting.
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/abbey-james-39933.html
Glad to see Abbey has finally decided to go full service. She's still as bat shit crazy as hell as far as the prices are concerned, but a possible one and done may do it for me. "Select clients" now have the option to dish out 5 Benjamins for full service, which isn't to crazy, but above my normal rate; and 300 for lip service only, way above my lips only donation. The reviews should be interesting.
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/abbey-james-39933.htmlIf anyone partakes in this post about how good or bad it is, she does have a great body but man non stop last time with the chatter and this last week on IG my god she went whacko but. I'd love to know if it's good.
Glad to see Abbey has finally decided to go full service. She's still as bat shit crazy as hell as far as the prices are concerned, but a possible one and done may do it for me. "Select clients" now have the option to dish out 5 Benjamins for full service, which isn't to crazy, but above my normal rate; and 300 for lip service only, way above my lips only donation. The reviews should be interesting.
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/abbey-james-39933.htmlIs this person posting the ad part of another organization? If you look at the ad snapshots. One pic contains mention of another entity. I don't want to mention names here in case the pics are changed. I've never visited abbey but have certainly read reviews.
SouthCityGuySt
11-13-23, 14:42
Is this person posting the ad part of another organization? If you look at the ad snapshots. One pic contains mention of another entity. I don't want to mention names here in case the pics are changed. I've never visited abbey but have certainly read reviews.The pic she posted is a a screenshot of Lake's info (maybe her real name) who runs ProLux, formerly YGND. She is not a fan of Lake. Like not at all. This definitely looks like Abbey's ad and has her regular number on it, so this appears to be real.
Is this person posting the ad part of another organization? If you look at the ad snapshots. One pic contains mention of another entity. I don't want to mention names here in case the pics are changed. I've never visited abbey but have certainly read reviews.That is part and parcel of the looney toons Abbey. She doesn't like that person mentioned in that ad at all. If you visit her its part of the dribble and conspiracy stories you will hear from her. Sometimes I leave her place saying its that last time, but her body, fake tits and being able to finish on them brings me back. A big plus is the donation is very affordable.
Anyone close enough to Prolux girl Sophia to know why she left them. Going out on her own maybe?I heard from Olivia that she got a 9-5 and this was a temporary gig for her. Not sure how true that is but makes sense I guess.
Her pictures on the PLM site lean more towards curvy than petite. If the latter is the case, why not update the photos? Surely any woman would probably prefer to have a more slim figure represented.
Little sus.My definition of petite might be a little off? She's short but has incredible curves. Those photos are actually her.
DeadDead22
11-13-23, 21:32
I'll check out the IL side. Anything closer to Fredericktown on the IL side?Carbondale and Marion used to have some action, but I would have no idea. Plus, it's the same distance as Centreville.
AceRimmer340
11-14-23, 08:51
I know a lot of guys don't like diy at AMPs, but sometimes I enjoy it, especially if there's a good tease and some help during. Living west of the Missouri River our choices are limited, so unless you have the time and desire to drive 30 or 40 minutes, diy is your best bet. Lilly at Lake's Massage (formerly Harmony) is one of the best for that. She does a great massage, tease and assist. Plus, 1 hour is still only $60 and comes with a free table shower. Lee at Lee's Kim Joe is another good one. Great tease, but only diy. I think an hour massage is $70 now and no table shower. Hope this is helpful to someone.
Rickstr352
11-14-23, 10:18
I know a lot of guys don't like diy at AMPs, but sometimes I enjoy it, especially if there's a good tease and some help during. Living west of the Missouri River our choices are limited, so unless you have the time and desire to drive 30 or 40 minutes, diy is your best bet. Lilly at Lake's Massage (formerly Harmony) is one of the best for that. She does a great massage, tease and assist. Plus, 1 hour is still only $60 and comes with a free table shower. Lee at Lee's Kim Joe is another good one. Great tease, but only diy. I think an hour massage is $70 now and no table shower. Hope this is helpful to someone.Is Lakes Massage on old hwy 94 in St Chas?
I saw this ad today https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/159963207# and I was hoping someone here has seen her. I'd like to hear anything you have on her before I pull the trigger. I'll write a review like I always do if and when I see her. Something tells me she might be TGTBT. It's hard to find a good one here on the east side. If it doesn't work out I'll probably just go to the Centreville spas again. TIA.
AceRimmer340
11-15-23, 10:16
Is Lakes Massage on old hwy 94 in St Chas?Next to an Italian restaurant.
Visited Aimee (RubRating) yesterday and it was a unique experience with and beautiful women and a lot of oil. She seemed to enjoy giving the massage as much as I was receiving. Very clean apartment and I could tell she was well prepared for me. I don't want to give to many details, it will ruin the experience. A little pricey at 3 $ but we'll worth it. I only got past the HJ unsure about additional services. Enjoy.
I saw this ad today https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/159963207# and I was hoping someone here has seen her. I'd like to hear anything you have on her before I pull the trigger. I'll write a review like I always do if and when I see her. Something tells me she might be TGTBT. It's hard to find a good one here on the east side. If it doesn't work out I'll probably just go to the Centreville spas again. TIA.I have not seen her, but there is a lack of red flags from the ad for me, so could be legit. The only thing different that I really see is the wanting a call instead of email or text, usually I see the reverse, but that's not enough of a deal breaker for me personally. I can't see reviews right now, but she doesn't have any comments that I can see, so there's that.
RammaDammaDo
11-16-23, 00:58
Fair gentlemen of the St Louis forum. I'm headed to Fredericktown for the weekend of December 8th on an offsite job. I'm a big fan of AMPs but not having any luck finding one near my hotel. I have no issue driving to St Louis as it's about an hour. So my question is, where would you suggest I go if I only have one night to do so? I frequent establishments here at home that feature 30 ish year old providers that offer FS. Let me know your thoughts and if I'm better off just grabbing an escort instead. TIA!You might want to look into Poplar Bluff, which is south of Fredericktown om 67. My railroad buddies said there are a bunch of prostitutes that hang out in a beaten-down hotel downtown.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/215052.html
Text or call Jenny.
SouthCityGuySt
11-17-23, 17:19
Glad to see Abbey has finally decided to go full service. She's still as bat shit crazy as hell as far as the prices are concerned, but a possible one and done may do it for me. "Select clients" now have the option to dish out 5 Benjamins for full service, which isn't to crazy, but above my normal rate; and 300 for lip service only, way above my lips only donation. The reviews should be interesting.
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/abbey-james-39933.htmlAny chance any of you mongers were able to partake in Abbey's short-lived offer for FS? I'm curious how real that offer was.
Spring Spa in O'Fallon does Great Massage.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/227573.html
EssentialGuy
11-18-23, 13:57
I saw this and called to make an appointment to see her and was sadly informed she is gone for the rest of the year. The other girls I have seen there run small to average asian boobs if you are lucky enough to get them out. I'm still on the search for those big asian tittys.
I miss the gal named Linda at classic, nice plump knockers that had just the right amount of hang to do some good titty fuckin. And she always wore a bra that clasped in the front so it could easily be removed and fully expose those fabulous mammories.
Finally made it to Jasmine a few weeks ago. Was met in the waiting room by Sophia. Very little English, but was OK with MT and she was very pretty 35 ish. On the flip she popped out her big round boobs with huge, dark areolas. HJ was juicy and her massage was first rate.
I called last week and asked for her, and they said, yes, what time, etc. When I got there and said I had an appointment with her, they kept me in the waiting area for a long time, and finally the gal who answered the door motioned for me to come back to a room. She was very sweet, older than Sophia, it was an average massage and average HJ. Keep dreaming of Sophia.
Relaxing massage in St Charles.
https://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/215052.html
Text or call Jenny.If you haven't seen Jenny in the last few months, she's lost a lot of weight and looks great.
Rickstr352
11-18-23, 23:09
Relaxing massage in St Charles.
If you haven't seen Jenny in the last few months, she's lost a lot of weight and looks great.Info said she used to offer extras, but no longer?
Info said she used to offer extras, but no longer?The best advice I can give is to never call or text studios or AMPs asking if they do extras. Even if they do, they will not say.
I would say get as much information from this Great Forum, set up an appointment, and go with the flow. Face to face inquiries about services offered is ALWAYS the best approach.
Be nice, assess the providers, and then decide if you want to frequent.
Good luck out there all. Happy Holidays.
I'm trying to make a trip today or tomorrow, however Google says they are not open Mondays and Tuesdays. I don't think I've tried to go on one before to see if that's really the case or not.RE: Health spa chesterfield being open Monday / Tuesday.
I don't know if bumping my own post is against the rules, still haven't found an answer. I don't really want to call them up (no burner phone). It's a little far to drive to find them ended up closed, I'd like to go this week before I'm stuck at home for thanksgiving break. If they are closed those days I guess I can try out classic instead. Thanks!
EssentialGuy
11-20-23, 11:41
I just called and checked, they are open today (Mon.) and Tuesday. She really wanted me to come in right now. LOL. I was like I'm just checking your hours at the moment.
RE: Health spa chesterfield being open Monday / Tuesday.
I don't know if bumping my own post is against the rules, still haven't found an answer. I don't really want to call them up (no burner phone). It's a little far to drive to find them ended up closed, I'd like to go this week before I'm stuck at home for thanksgiving break. If they are closed those days I guess I can try out classic instead. Thanks!
I saw this and called to make an appointment to see her and was sadly informed she is gone for the rest of the year. The other girls I have seen there run small to average asian boobs if you are lucky enough to get them out. I'm still on the search for those big asian tittys.
I miss the gal named Linda at classic, nice plump knockers that had just the right amount of hang to do some good titty fuckin. And she always wore a bra that clasped in the front so it could easily be removed and fully expose those fabulous mammories.Thanks for the update. I stopped in but they never told me she was gone for the rest of the year, I just got a blank stare. I hope she's back in January and not Feb 10th which is the start of the Korean New year! The gal I wound up with the 2nd time at Jasmine was just ok. Interestingly on the flip after my tip her English got much better.
Any chance any of you mongers were able to partake in Abbey's short-lived offer for FS? I'm curious how real that offer was.I don't think I would if offered, after my one and done with her. She seems like the type to not really feel like she would need to try, because she's hot, and you should be grateful to even be there. No thanks.
I have never been here, interested to know as well if anyone been here.Lot to get here if you put in the time and effort. Owner had her own place in Soth city years back then disappeared for a year. She do anything Anything you treat her right. Also HE and BBBJ, topless with mutual touch from MILF spinner Mandi. Came back to get more but not able to get an appointment with her lately and keep getting others with results mixed. Great HE from tall blond with blue and pink hair colors way back a year or so. Place acts and looks legit but girls all open minded and love to talk sex. Every time I remove draping or start without drape I get good results.
I saw this and called to make an appointment to see her and was sadly informed she is gone for the rest of the year. The other girls I have seen there run small to average asian boobs if you are lucky enough to get them out. I'm still on the search for those big asian tittys.
I miss the gal named Linda at classic, nice plump knockers that had just the right amount of hang to do some good titty fuckin. And she always wore a bra that clasped in the front so it could easily be removed and fully expose those fabulous mammories.I'm also on the hunt for Asians with big naturals. I've actually been able to find a couple, but I was so new to the sport, I think I missed my chance for Russian. I think Jasmine Chippewa might have someone that fits bill. If she treats you to some cosmonaut action, I'd love to know.
Lot to get here if you put in the time and effort. Owner had her own place in Soth city years back then disappeared for a year. She do anything Anything you treat her right. Also HE and BBBJ, topless with mutual touch from MILF spinner Mandi. Came back to get more but not able to get an appointment with her lately and keep getting others with results mixed. Great HE from tall blond with blue and pink hair colors way back a year or so. Place acts and looks legit but girls all open minded and love to talk sex. Every time I remove draping or start without drape I get good results.This one? https://www.secretgardenstl.com/.
This one? https://www.secretgardenstl.com/.Maybe he meant Peaceful Garden?
SouthCityGuySt
11-21-23, 12:56
I don't think I would if offered, after my one and done with her. She seems like the type to not really feel like she would need to try, because she's hot, and you should be grateful to even be there. No thanks.I'm by no means an Abbey simp and there have definitely been times that she's been friendlier than others. We all have our days. But I've never gotten than type of vibe from her. I guess it's a true example of YMMV.
EssentialGuy
11-21-23, 16:13
Stopped by Jasmine today and got a nice massage, on the way out the door I noticed a chubby Asian lady with nose that pointed / smashed up in the air a bit. Anybody know her name so I can request on my next visit. I should have asked but didn't want to interrupt and don't feel like going back several visits to figure out. Thanks!
This one? https://www.secretgardenstl.com/.Yep. That the one.
Anyone know this lady, Mary? If so, have any info? PM if needed.
Stopped by Jasmine today and got a nice massage, on the way out the door I noticed a chubby Asian lady with nose that pointed / smashed up in the air a bit. Anybody know her name so I can request on my next visit. I should have asked but didn't want to interrupt and don't feel like going back several visits to figure out. Thanks!Sorry can't help you, but no offense, "chubby with a smashed up nose in the air" sounds more like a bow wow.
Sorry can't help you, but no offense, "chubby with a smashed up nose in the air" sounds more like a bow wow.Well, that was unnecessary and childish. If you don't have useful info, why bother replying?
Anyways, I believe the lady you're talking about goes by Tammy. She seems to be in charge. She gives a great massage and HJ. I've tried a half dozen times to get her to dump those big mommy milkers out for me bit she's shy 🤭 if anyone knows the key to unlock that big bra, I'd love to hear it.
EssentialGuy
11-22-23, 10:52
I'll give it a try. Sounds like she replaced Amy, who was built similarly and was the last phone girl / manager. I tried so hard with many visits to get Amy to pull out those big ole sweater puppies but had no luck.
In response to Skeewurt, She may not be your cup of tea but I like them a little on the thick side. I probably should have worded that a bit differently but figured facial features would more accurately pin point the persons name.
Well, that was unnecessary and childish. If you don't have useful info, why bother replying?
Anyways, I believe the lady you're talking about goes by Tammy. She seems to be in charge. She gives a great massage and HJ. I've tried a half dozen times to get her to dump those big mommy milkers out for me bit she's shy 🤭 if anyone knows the key to unlock that big bra, I'd love to hear it.
Decided to do a little PLM adventuring. Booked time with Savannah. Door is off an alley, but safe neighborhood, Lafyette Square. Knock and a young black girl answers. It's Rae. Rae and Savannah work out of a two bedroom apartment. Rae is pretty with close cropped hair. Nice smile, friendly, a little darker than the pictures used. We chat for a second. Normally they have appointments 30 minutes off from each other. This time both girls have appointments at the same time. It all worked out and I never saw the other guy.
Savannah and I head upstairs. Nice little set up. Her pictures might be her in the best light. She is a little plumper than some, but not fat. Large boobs. She is wearing a bra / pantie set. We get conformable. Massage is not sports level, but not just an oil basting either. A little teasing. She has a mirror set up and actually stands where you can see her in the mirror. On the flip she starts more massage. Most of the other massages I have gotten lately, on the flip they attack Mr. Happy. Savannah worked my legs and chest first. I asked about MT and was told it would be $40 extra. I passed. After that, I did not ask about anything else extra, figured the number was going to be more than I planned. She gets into it. I get into it. Mr. Happy does his thing. Out I go.
Would I be back? As a backup, yes. Overall worth the trip. I asked about a Savannah / Rae 4 hands and Savannah said they don't do that.
-- One thing. My last two PLM visits have had some communication errors. I waited almost an hour for a callback this time and then Savannah and Rae were both told they had appointments at the same time. Last time the provider was given the wrong time leaving me on a front porch longer than I wanted. Not earth shattering, but not PLM's normal service.
RicharddAngle
11-22-23, 13:33
Yep. That the one.$110/ hr for basic Swedish with no guarantee of extras? I would love to find a place like this that purports to be a legit spa, but actually offers fun on the down low. I'm not willing to cough up that much, lay on the table and hope for the best without solid and current intel. I'd rather have a guarantee of fun at an AMP for substantially less or the Brea experience for the same price.
RicharddAngle
11-22-23, 14:05
This where Healthy Body Day Spa used to be on Old Hwy 94 with the martial arts place. Unless you want a mediocre massage I would skip this one. I should have walked out after I saw that the rooms only had partial curtains for the doorways to the rooms so you could see the legs of people walking by and could hear every word of the woman getting her foot massage in the common area. No joy to be found west of the Missouri River these days.
HardKnock30
11-23-23, 11:22
When I seen Abby James last week she told me she hasn't had sex in 2 years! Bahahah yeah OK.
When I seen Abby James last week she told me she hasn't had sex in 2 years! Bahahah yeah OK.There's a bridge in Brooklyn for sale at a reasonable price too.
There's a bridge in Brooklyn for sale at a reasonable price too.You should have told her it's her lucky day and you can help break here dry spell LOL. Well I know based on my conversations that's not true.
Rickstr352
11-24-23, 11:10
Decided to do a little PLM adventuring. Booked time with Savannah. Door is off an alley, but safe neighborhood, Lafyette Square. Knock and a young black girl answers. It's Rae. Rae and Savannah work out of a two bedroom apartment. Rae is pretty with close cropped hair. Nice smile, friendly, a little darker than the pictures used. We chat for a second. Normally they have appointments 30 minutes off from each other. This time both girls have appointments at the same time. It all worked out and I never saw the other guy.
Savannah and I head upstairs. Nice little set up. Her pictures might be her in the best light. She is a little plumper than some, but not fat. Large boobs. She is wearing a bra / pantie set. We get conformable. Massage is not sports level, but not just an oil basting either. A little teasing. She has a mirror set up and actually stands where you can see her in the mirror. On the flip she starts more massage. Most of the other massages I have gotten lately, on the flip they attack Mr. Happy. Savannah worked my legs and chest first. I asked about MT and was told it would be $40 extra. I passed. After that, I did not ask about anything else extra, figured the number was going to be more than I planned. She gets into it. I get into it. Mr. Happy does his thing. Out I go.
Would I be back? As a backup, yes. Overall worth the trip. I asked about a Savannah / Rae 4 hands and Savannah said they don't do that.
-- One thing. My last two PLM visits have had some communication errors. I waited almost an hour for a callback this time and then Savannah and Rae were both told they had appointments at the same time. Last time the provider was given the wrong time leaving me on a front porch longer than I wanted. Not earth shattering, but not PLM's normal service.My experience is what happened to you is more frequent than we all would think. I don't go there anymore after 3 appts were screwed up over the course of a couple months and I had no meet up with anyone.
SamuelAdams
11-24-23, 20:08
Any one had any luck at Frankie relaxation?? Dm me, thanks.
I have a sexy GF but am craving a good face fuck with CIM. Fortunately, I'm average size so a deep-throat queen isn't required. I'm able to pay well for a skilled & submissive wench. Posting here because a nice massage after would be perfect.
SamuelAdams
11-25-23, 11:36
Hi All I would like to know if anyone has good experience at sunflower olive it is very close to me, tried once no diy no hint drapes on, lady was not young but skinny and soft hands, interested to try again if there is any hope, please dm me thanks.
Hi All I would like to know if anyone has good experience at sunflower olive it is very close to me, tried once no diy no hint drapes on, lady was not young but skinny and soft hands, interested to try again if there is any hope, please dm me thanks.Went once about a year ago. Midway through massage, she removed one of her hands to retrieve her phone from her pocket. I couldn't see what she was doing but I her the "click" sound of taking a picture. Pretty sure she took one of my ass or something. Immediate turn off. Never went back.
Rickstr352
11-25-23, 17:59
$110/ hr for basic Swedish with no guarantee of extras? I would love to find a place like this that purports to be a legit spa, but actually offers fun on the down low. I'm not willing to cough up that much, lay on the table and hope for the best without solid and current intel. I'd rather have a guarantee of fun at an AMP for substantially less or the Brea experience for the same price.What's the Brea experience?
She's running a ad on CL. I've called and sent a text a couple of times but no response. 30 min 100 45 150 and not bad looking in the photo. Any Luck out there?
Anything reliable in this area? Will need to be there tomorrow early and have a ton of time to kill. Thanks!
No name or rates. No reviews. Any one seen her? This is the only site she is on: https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/sensual-amp-passionate-28943.html.
Went once about a year ago. Midway through massage, she removed one of her hands to retrieve her phone from her pocket. I couldn't see what she was doing but I her the "click" sound of taking a picture. Pretty sure she took one of my ass or something. Immediate turn off. Never went back.About a year ago I got HE regularly here from 3 different ladies. Maybe 6 months ago the crew changed and now nothing.
RickBarnes
11-26-23, 17:50
Anything reliable in this area? Will need to be there tomorrow early and have a ton of time to kill. Thanks!Jasmine Spa is nearby off Manchester about a mile from the 141/ Manchester intersection. There have been reports there with guys leaving happy.
RickBarnes
11-26-23, 17:52
No name or rates. No reviews. Any one seen her? This is the only site she is on: https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/sensual-amp-passionate-28943.html.If you do an image search, those pictures are all over the internet. I'm going to bet it's a deposit scam!
If you do an image search, those pictures are all over the internet. I'm going to bet it's a deposit scam!Ahh, Thanks! Forgot to do that.
No name or rates. No reviews. Any one seen her? This is the only site she is on: https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/sensual-amp-passionate-28943.html.Reverse google image search brings up same photos in Tampa area.
Does the mature gal at Knottykneads give FS at those prices?
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/isabella-28587.html
Anyone know if she still working?
Does the mature gal at Knottykneads give FS at those prices?Yes, she does.
What's the Brea experience?Brea is the cream of the PLM group. She has been with them for about four years. She is / was a pro body builder. If you want a fit, firm, literal soccer mom, she is your gal. Spinner, almost no fat. Well done man mades.
She is comfortable with what she does and it shows. Massage starts in just panties. Those man mades stroke your back. No MT upcharge. On the flip, she hops on and hovers the shaved box over your face. I don't know about first timers, but I dive in for some DATY. Her HJ has the feel of a mouth, but it isn't. Overall, money well spent.
Jasmine Spa is nearby off Manchester about a mile from the 141/ Manchester intersection. There have been reports there with guys leaving happy.Jing spa is good as well.
Member #2613
11-27-23, 16:39
Brea is the cream of the PLM group. She has been with them for about four years. She is / was a pro body builder. If you want a fit, firm, literal soccer mom, she is your gal. Spinner, almost no fat. Well done man mades.
She is comfortable with what she does and it shows. Massage starts in just panties. Those man mades stroke your back. No MT upcharge. On the flip, she hops on and hovers the shaved box over your face. I don't know about first timers, but I dive in for some DATY. Her HJ has the feel of a mouth, but it isn't. Overall, money well spent.Concur with being said! She is all about the energy!
AntBanks84
11-27-23, 17:48
Went there Friday evening for the first time. Nothing exciting fellas. I was covered from chest to feet the entire time, unless she was massaging a certain body part. On the flip same thing, didn't even massage my chest. No tease, no DIY, no hint of anything extra. Unless you want a legit massage, you're not getting anything else.
Rickstr352
11-27-23, 17:56
Does the mature gal at Knottykneads give FS at those prices?Do you have a kink for knottykneads? When I Google, get nothing in STL or anywhere.
Rickstr352
11-27-23, 17:58
Concur with being said! She is all about the energy!Thanks for the info. Definitely going back after hearing your description!!
I remember the bod and she's a beautiful woman!
Splatter34
11-27-23, 20:44
Do you have a kink for knottykneads? When I Google, get nothing in STL or anywhere.Try - https://sumosear.ch/phone/501-777-5674.
Went there Friday evening for the first time. Nothing exciting fellas. I was covered from chest to feet the entire time, unless she was massaging a certain body part. On the flip same thing, didn't even massage my chest. No tease, no DIY, no hint of anything extra. Unless you want a legit massage, you're not getting anything else.Thank you for the report. That is the kind of recon necessary for planning a successful op. Identification of fail points helps us all.
Do you have a kink for knottykneads? When I Google, get nothing in STL or anywhere.Just know she is age 55-60.
SouthCityGuySt
11-28-23, 01:30
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/isabella-28587.html
Anyone know if she still working?I was a regular of hers for quite some time and talked to her a little while back. She was doing outcalls and getting an incall from time to time. She's fantastic if you can get a session with her.
Rickstr352
11-28-23, 09:29
Concur with being said! She is all about the energy!Does she offer any extras?
Just know she is age 55-60.I saw her quite a few years ago and she was in sketchy part of town. And I thought she was a little off. Never went back.
Member #2613
11-28-23, 17:03
Does she offer any extras?Not so far but looks promising, I just don't have the time to dedicate more effort to her right now. But it seems that Parker and Carley have retired; I have sent a txt to each and haven't heard anything. So I.
Kay have the time to go see her more.
Member #2613
11-28-23, 17:13
I happen to be around happy feet off Manchester and I thought it was the happy feet I had heard so much here, so I went in only to be disappointed. Nothing happy about this place not even the a foot rub happy the lady didn't have.
Enough pressure to make it a worth while massage.
Rickstr352
11-28-23, 17:56
Not so far but looks promising, I just don't have the time to dedicate more effort to her right now. But it seems that Parker and Carley have retired; I have sent a txt to each and haven't heard anything. So I.
Kay have the time to go see her more.Sorry, your response is a little confusing. First you say none that I can tell, but then you say it looks promising.
Guess I'll just have to make an appt and se for myself. Will report results.
Do you have a kink for knottykneads? When I Google, get nothing in STL or anywhere.Here's her website. https://knottykneads72.cuties-sites.com/home.
Rickstr352
11-29-23, 00:45
Here's her website. https://knottykneads72.cuties-sites.com/home.Thanks. How was your visit? She looks hot.
SouthCityGuySt
11-29-23, 02:21
Not so far but looks promising, I just don't have the time to dedicate more effort to her right now. But it seems that Parker and Carley have retired; I have sent a txt to each and haven't heard anything. So I.
Kay have the time to go see her more.Parker hasn't retired. I saw her recently and she is still as fantastic as ever. I normally get to a point where I've seen a provider enough times where I either don't go back or lay off them for a while, but I don't think that will ever happen with her until she does retire at some point. No question, she is the absolute best I have ever been with.
RoadKing1983
11-29-23, 15:17
Hello all,
Does anyone have any information about what might have happened to Lilly of the Nile located in North County. I got to see her a few weeks back and really enjoyed the time. In fact I thought she was fantastic! All of her information has just disappeared. Ads on rub rankings, twitter etc. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Looks like she went on an instagram rant. Some of the posts are family members and some are of her clients? I'd be careful boys.
Looks like she went on an instagram rant. Some of the posts are family members and some are of her clients? I'd be careful boys.She has doxed herself so many times I can't count. She claims the client she outed is a stalker and he harasses her. I can't tell fact from fiction when it comes to her, so my visits are spaced out accordingly. She's like an amusement park roller coaster ride. You know it crazy as shit to go on, but you have fun with her for the thrill of it.
SnorklEsteve
11-30-23, 10:23
Looks like she went on an instagram rant. Some of the posts are family members and some are of her clients? I'd be careful boys.Can someone share her instagram handle? Feel free to PM me!
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I put a new note on your account. It says
Ban him next time he acts like a dick.
No shit, it's gonna happen.
A2
Jasmine Spa is nearby off Manchester about a mile from the 141/ Manchester intersection. There have been reports there with guys leaving happy.I did Jasmine Ballwin, went OK. Was greeted by a younger gal, decided to use the restroom before I began, then it switched to an older / shorter lady. Oh well. She hugged my head with her thighs as she crawled on top of the bench to reach down my back / butt area. Massage was good though cut short (work call ended my hour session early). She tried to get me to DIY at first but I have my ol' reliable look of disappointment / boredom at the notion and things eventually progressed to give a helping hand. The attic in that place is drafty AF, I don't think I'd return until warmer weather. Overall I'd give it a 7/10.
She has doxed herself so many times I can't count. She claims the client she outed is a stalker and he harasses her. I can't tell fact from fiction when it comes to her, so my visits are spaced out accordingly. She's like an amusement park roller coaster ride. You know it crazy as shit to go on, but you have fun with her for the thrill of it.Just took another gander after a few weeks and there's a ton of new no context stuff, people names, court stuff, pictures of other women, who know what's she's on about.
For a while now, Snapchat has been really obnoxious with the notifications it sends me, popping up like 10 times per day about some random crap so I turned them off. Not like it matters since the Vixens are dead and the Angels has slowed down a lot as well. But I just want to talk about some of the notifications I got since they were suggesting some new friends that have mutual friends in common with me. Given that I only used snapchat to meet up with some girls, I'm pretty sure those "new friends" are some of you guys here and I sure do hope none of you are using your real names since I've seen plenty of them thanks to Snapchat being annoying. That being said, is there a way to tell Snapchat to stfu with "hey check this new video out!" while still getting the notifications for the girls?
StCharlesTool2
12-01-23, 09:48
Relaxing massage in St Charles.
If you haven't seen Jenny in the last few months, she's lost a lot of weight and looks great.I also agree. Nice lady. Relaxing massage.
SnorklEsteve
12-01-23, 12:51
Don't be lazy. If you type her name into Instagram search it takes 5 seconds to find her profile. It's also a public profile.I'm not being lazy, I actually did search her name on Instagram and there are 900 results, I didn't recognize her specifically so I came here.
You could have simply just said her Insta name but instead thought you would accuse me of being lazy. Thanks for the help.
SouthCityGuySt
12-01-23, 14:50
I did Jasmine Ballwin, went OK. Was greeted by a younger gal, decided to use the restroom before I began, then it switched to an older / shorter lady. Oh well. She hugged my head with her thighs as she crawled on top of the bench to reach down my back / butt area. Massage was good though cut short (work call ended my hour session early). She tried to get me to DIY at first but I have my ol' reliable look of disappointment / boredom at the notion and things eventually progressed to give a helping hand. The attic in that place is drafty AF, I don't think I'd return until warmer weather. Overall I'd give it a 7/10.I had the younger girl on my first 2 visits. DIY with OTC MT on the first visit and she willingly let me rub her down below. 2nd visit was more of the same but with a nice hand finish. 3rd visit was the older shorter slightly chubby woman mentioned above. Similar massage to the first but with more teasing and intentional rubbing of my balls and taint which was nice. On the flip, it was obvious hand finish was coming and she also let me pull up her shirt / bra and suck on her nipples while during the HJ. I suspect more may be on the table in a follow up visit. I'll report back accordingly.
Member #2613
12-02-23, 01:29
Parker hasn't retired. I saw her recently and she is still as fantastic as ever. I normally get to a point where I've seen a provider enough times where I either don't go back or lay off them for a while, but I don't think that will ever happen with her until she does retire at some point. No question, she is the absolute best I have ever been with.Fk man now I feel worse.
Hate things this quiet.
Rickstr352
12-02-23, 10:24
I also agree. Nice lady. Relaxing massage.Is she offering extras, or still just HJ. Does she take off her top and MT?
SamuelAdams
12-02-23, 16:05
So anyone tried recently?? $110 base price?? Would like to know if any one tried recently and their experience?? Dm me thanks.
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