Strip Club Reports

[Danimal Forth]

I was in there on Monday and didn't notice any difference in contact.I agree that it seems to be business as normal lately, so the paranoia must have worn off. I started asked questions because security was really hovering that one day. And I don't know how often they get inspected but several ladies said there was a group of undercovers issuing some warnings and citations. I used to live in a city in another state where the police visited clubs every few hours. Pretty sure I've never seen a uniformed one in any venues around here.

It also occurred to me that the stage lights have been a lot brighter lately. Do they regulate that stuff too?

[Greg Simpson]

BM is my fave spot though some of my favorites are no longer there. Roxy sounds interesting. I can't seem to find any info on it. Is there a website? Or at least an address?

[Az Hobby Habit]

BM is my fave spot though some of my favorites are no longer there. Roxy sounds interesting. I can't seem to find any info on it. Is there a website? Or at least an address?It is at 19th Avenue and Campbell. Pretty sketchy seeming neighborhood, and weird because it is right by some residential.

[Slacker30]

It is at 19th Avenue and Campbell. Pretty sketchy seeming neighborhood, and weird because it is right by some residential.I went there on a weeknight several weeks ago. They did a nice remodel on the interior of the club. Was very impressed that the waitresses had short sexy uniform dresses on and black pumps. Three very young waitresses at the entryway.

Only 3 young plain looking dancers and 3 customers. Left after about 25 minutes and they gave me a free pass.

This club has been here for years. Was originally called Excalibur. Never really did great business. The area is no big deal. No different than walking in Food City down the street or shopping at Chris Town on 19th Ave to the north.

Too many employees there. Reminded me of the clubs in Houston or Dallas with lots of waitresses at the door, several managers walking around in suits, but with sub par dancers who are too young who look like they never danced before. And not sure if they can attract the tab running type of customers they want to attract.

[Riffraff26]

Swung by BM yesterday afternoon after work (about 4 pm). The parking lot was packed. The sign said 10 dancers (there were only 5). The guy at the register was hounding some of the dancers for whatever reason. Seemed like a jerk. Was approached by a young-ish dancer (probably early 20's). She had a feline name and an ass you could bounce off of. She sat down and we chatted for a bit. Decided on a dance with her. Went to the side (next time I'll go to the back). A very nice hand shake ensued and I walked out about 10 minutes later. All in all not a bad trip.

[PhxGuy1]

I went to Blue Moon yesterday afternoon and saw a tall skinny gal named Kitty. She gave me a nice dance. She was a little detached (I think she was tired -- it was the near end of her shift) but took care of me well and I left happy.

[Dick North]

Stopped by Centerfolds early afternoon on Friday.

Sat at the bar, went to VIP with an old friend and later returned to the bar ... Still looking for my new faves.

Finally I noticed a thin black girl and we talked for a bit. Turns out her name is Odrianna (or something close) which confused me as the previous week I had a great time with Adrianna.

She said there are 3 black girls with similar names.

Always seems to be a rewarding experience in the VIP.

They all apparently work days Tue-Thu. (Friday was the exception?)

Good luck.

DN.

[Getpaidgeteffd]

First time at bandaids went on a sat night perhaps I should have done my HW. It wasn't all bad but mostly negative.

Pro's:

*Diverse selection of women of all races and mostly young.

*cheap cover.

*lapdances get very handsy even on the floor you can touch a lot.

*girls are friendly and not pushy or emotionless.

Cons:

*Butterfaces everywhere.

*some curvy girls, some skinny girls, but no fit athletic girls.

*I think the scotch is poured into a thimble before the glass. Joke drinks.

*supperghetto.

*the club is the size of a shoebox.

*there is no fun to be had at all in the back room (tried 3 girls).

*the backroom isn't private at all.

[NDave]

AT the risk of asking a dumb question:

What is a butter face?

Everything is hot but her face. Hence butterface.

A2


First time at bandaids went on a sat night perhaps I should have done my HW. It wasn't all bad but mostly negative.

Pro's:

*Diverse selection of women of all races and mostly young.

*cheap cover.

*lapdances get very handsy even on the floor you can touch a lot.

*girls are friendly and not pushy or emotionless.

Cons:

*Butterfaces everywhere.

*some curvy girls, some skinny girls, but no fit athletic girls.

*I think the scotch is poured into a thimble before the glass. Joke drinks.

*supperghetto.

*the club is the size of a shoebox.

*there is no fun to be had at all in the back room (tried 3 girls).

*the backroom isn't private at all.

[IndianaJones]

I read they have a private room? Is this the one behind the stage or a new one? I haven't been in a long time and was curious if they had made any renovation changes. This club doesn't do much for the interior very often and I wondered if they were making changes long overdue. If this is the room behind the stage, it's really not so private. And I'd say stay away from Devon, she's a rob which is why I haven't gone back in a while. But Jayden might entice me or if Layla is still there.

[Slacker30]

First time at bandaids went on a sat night perhaps I should have done my HW. It wasn't all bad but mostly negative.

Pro's:

*Diverse selection of women of all races and mostly young.

*cheap cover.

*lapdances get very handsy even on the floor you can touch a lot.

*girls are friendly and not pushy or emotionless.

Cons:

*Butterfaces everywhere.

*some curvy girls, some skinny girls, but no fit athletic girls.

*I think the scotch is poured into a thimble before the glass. Joke drinks.

*supperghetto.

*the club is the size of a shoebox.

*there is no fun to be had at all in the back room (tried 3 girls).

*the backroom isn't private at all. In my experience here and at other Phoenix clubs, Band aids is about an 8 on a scale of 10 for great full contact 2 way touch dances in a club open 11-2 7 days a week. It usually has more girls than any club in town (besides Hi-Liter, which is the same owner), and dances are only $10, $20 in VIP.

Name me another club besides Hi-Liter here in town like that.

Of course since dancers have no schedules in Phoenix, you never know who will be working.

I would not expect any sex in these clubs. Most of the girls there will rub your dick outside your pants, give good grindage and let you touch. VIP is not really better than on the floor. It is just a way for AZ dancers to get 20 per song like in most of the US.

You have to take a strip club for what it is worth IMO. A place to chill, have a drink or 2, and hopefully get some stimulating dances. If you are a PUA maybe a phone number.

We don't have many fancy clubs here but Christies, and they don't offer the fun or selection of dancers as years past.

Every club visit isn't a dance buying one for me. I don't get mad, it just depends on the vibe at the time.

If you're a guy that doesn't like a club with an urban flair, really prefers more white dancers and not majority Latina and black, Bandaids isn't for you. But if you are cool with the demographics there, for $10 a dance you really can't go wrong, particularly if you go during the day before 5 with no cover charge and drink specials.

[Dick North]

. "Name me another club besides Hi-Liter here in town like that. "Centerfolds is a really nice club.
You need to travel around a little more and please don't mention sex in clubs. It never happens.

Thanks

DN

[Hellothere34]

Hey guys I'm pretty new to the mongering scene, so apologies if this has been covered already.

I was at Centerfolds this past Friday night. I've been to maybe 2 strip clubs my entire life, so I was pretty nervous. Anyways, I met this dancer on the fully nude side (this was after 2 am so the alcohol serving side had closed) and she really gave me a lot of mileage. She was a young, petite, and very cute latina (her name escapes me) who gave me an awesome floor dance. We decided to go to the VIP section, which are couches LOL, and there we had the most fun. We had a lot of DFK, FIV (came twice), and she was definitely grabbing me everywhere. We were there for 3 songs, sat and talked for awhile, and then we did another 3 songs which she didn't charge me for.

Since I'm pretty new to this scene, I'm wondering if this is a normal interaction, or if I just caught her in a really good mood haha?

I appreciate all the information that gets posted here, and will continue to do my part as well!

-HT34.

[Slacker30]

Centerfolds is a really nice club.
You need to travel around a little more and please don't mention sex in clubs. It never happens.

Thanks

DNI have been in EVERY club here with the exception of Dream Palace, which only gets busy when the bars close.

Centerfolds doesn't consistently have the amount of dancers as Bandaids and Hi-Liter. Maybe late at night, but not earlier and during happy hour. As I type this on Monday afternoon just after lunch I know I can go to Band aids and Hi-Liter and find at least a dozen girls, and not be one of a the only customers there. Candy Store does decent business day and night. T&A on Central gets some busy happy hours (club 80% full), but usually has no more than 9 girls.

My point is extras in a club are the exception and not the rule in Phoenix clubs. Other cities such as Houston, Detroit,Miami, or El Paso, for example are a different story.lt depends on who is working, and if you can find a willing dancer whom you are attracted to. And only a handful of clubs have decent business and a larger presence of dancers during non peak hours.

Walk in any club during the week, afternoons or early evenings. Who has the most dancers and customers.

That's all I am trying to say.

[Kujo69]

Hey guys I'm pretty new to the mongering scene, so apologies if this has been covered already.

I was at Centerfolds this past Friday night. I've been to maybe 2 strip clubs my entire life, so I was pretty nervous. Anyways, I met this dancer on the fully nude side (this was after 2 am so the alcohol serving side had closed) and she really gave me a lot of mileage. She was a young, petite, and very cute latina (her name escapes me) who gave me an awesome floor dance. We decided to go to the VIP section, which are couches LOL, and there we had the most fun. We had a lot of DFK, FIV (came twice), and she was definitely grabbing me everywhere. We were there for 3 songs, sat and talked for awhile, and then we did another 3 songs which she didn't charge me for.

Since I'm pretty new to this scene, I'm wondering if this is a normal interaction, or if I just caught her in a really good mood haha?

I appreciate all the information that gets posted here, and will continue to do my part as well!

-HT34. Not completely unusual. I'm guessing you'll be back right? I'm guessing that was her intention, to get you back in the club.

[PhxGuy1]

I went to BM early afternoon today for some entertainment. I got a dance with Dimples, a cute, petite, skinny mixed gal with maybe a (third letter of the alphabet) cup (stupid autocorrect won't let me write that properly), who said she's worked there for several months (although I don't recall seeing her there before). She talked me into a 0. 8 tip for the same services I could have gotten from most other dancers for 0. 2 or 0. 4. (This autocorrect has GOT to go.) And she insisted on receiving that full tip up front, which I've never had happen before. Anyway, she did deliver, and I had a nice time, but probably won't get dances from her very often because of the upsell.

[Hot In Phx]

Hey guys I'm pretty new to the mongering scene, so apologies if this has been covered already.

I was at Centerfolds this past Friday night. I've been to maybe 2 strip clubs my entire life, so I was pretty nervous. Anyways, I met this dancer on the fully nude side (this was after 2 am so the alcohol serving side had closed) and she really gave me a lot of mileage. She was a young, petite, and very cute latina (her name escapes me) who gave me an awesome floor dance. We decided to go to the VIP section, which are couches LOL, and there we had the most fun. We had a lot of DFK, FIV (came twice), and she was definitely grabbing me everywhere. We were there for 3 songs, sat and talked for awhile, and then we did another 3 songs which she didn't charge me for.

Since I'm pretty new to this scene, I'm wondering if this is a normal interaction, or if I just caught her in a really good mood haha?

I appreciate all the information that gets posted here, and will continue to do my part as well!

-HT34. Strip clubs often have young girls who work there to make a few extra bucks and don't really focus on how good they treat the customers, hence the high turnover rate. I'd say you lucked out with a great dancer. It's rare that a stripper won't charge for additional private dances, but since you already paid for 3, it sounds like she really appreciated your business and wanted you to keep coming back.

[Dick North]

I have been in EVERY club here with the exception of Dream Palace, which only gets busy when the bars close.

Centerfolds doesn't consistently have the amount of dancers as Bandaids and Hi-Liter. Maybe late at night, but not earlier and during happy hour. As I type this on Monday afternoon just after lunch I know I can go to Band aids and Hi-Liter and find at least a dozen girls, and not be one of a the only customers there. Candy Store does decent business day and night. T&A on Central gets some busy happy hours (club 80% full), but usually has no more than 9 girls.

My point is extras in a club are the exception and not the rule in Phoenix clubs. Other cities such as Houston, Detroit,Miami, or El Paso, for example are a different story. lt depends on who is working, and if you can find a willing dancer whom you are attracted to. And only a handful of clubs have decent business and a larger presence of dancers during non peak hours.

Walk in any club during the week, afternoons or early evenings. Who has the most dancers and customers.

That's all I am trying to say. I don't doubt your experience in this hobby.

I will tell you that I probably have experienced more history as a monger than you have and have witnessed the demise of many incredible monger opportunities.

The more specific info that we provide to the open forum can only be ultimately hurtful to the sport.

Let's just be careful. That's all I am trying to say as well.

DN.

[Mrmikers]

Avoid a thin, long haired Asian chick that goes by Chyna. Jacked up the dance count in the VIP. Did 5 songs with her and she insisted we did 8 songs. After challenging her on it, ended up paying for 7. Dances were friendly, but nowhere near the best that I've had there. This place continues to go downhill from what it was 2-3 years ago. Bottom line is that there is nothing there that can't be had cheaper and better at other clubs.

[Dick North]

Avoid a thin, long haired Asian chick that goes by Chyna. Jacked up the dance count in the VIP. Did 5 songs with her and she insisted we did 8 songs. After challenging her on it, ended up paying for 7. Dances were friendly, but nowhere near the best that I've had there. This place continues to go downhill from what it was 2-3 years ago. Bottom line is that there is nothing there that can't be had cheaper and better at other clubs.I know the lady and just had a great experience with her this week.

It's amazing how two individuals can have totally different experiences at the same club with the same dancer.
As far as I am concerned, Centerfolds in the early afternoon, is a good choice.

Sorry about your experience. Maybe time for some 'locker-room' evaluation of your losses.
As you must also know, your experience with any club or any dancer is a personal experience and YMMV.

Good luck.

DN.

[Anotheronedown]

Went to chicas which is on 35th ave. Has a cover, and they remodeled from their mustang days. Looks nicer, but they lost their strip club vibe. I felt like I was in a store with how brightly lit it is. Also, at 10 pm, they went for a half hour with no girls. Finally, they dragged out 2 girls, one who didn't get topless. WTF. They do spent more time palling with his buddies on their hooka than monitoring the club. Waste of time.

[Mrmikers]

Went to chicas which is on 35th ave. Has a cover, and they remodeled from their mustang days. Looks nicer, but they lost their strip club vibe. I felt like I was in a store with how brightly lit it is. Also, at 10 pm, they went for a half hour with no girls. Finally, they dragged out 2 girls, one who didn't get topless. WTF. They do spent more time palling with his buddies on their hooka than monitoring the club. Waste of time.Been there twice on Sat. Afternoons and had a lot of fun both times. If you're looking for beauties, this isn't the place to go. If you like more ethnic chics who give high mileage dances for low bucks, this is the place. Wear a hat!

[Gjammun]

Been there twice on Sat. Afternoons and had a lot of fun both times. If you're looking for beauties, this isn't the place to go. If you like more ethnic chics who give high mileage dances for low bucks, this is the place. Wear a hat!Mrmikers. That sounds like my typical bandaids experience and no complaints. If you've been to both how would you compare them?

[Mrmikers]

Mrmikers. That sounds like my typical bandaids experience and no complaints. If you've been to both how would you compare them?I've been to Bandaids a handful of times. Bandaids is more like a typical strip joint, while Chicas has more of a rec-room feel to it. You'll see better looking girls at Bandaids, but again, the mileage per dollar and level of "satisfaction" is much higher at Chicas. Like I said, wear a hat. I also would advise going to Chicas during the day rather than night. Not the best neighborhood.

[Slacker30]

Went to chicas which is on 35th ave. Has a cover, and they remodeled from their mustang days. Looks nicer, but they lost their strip club vibe. I felt like I was in a store with how brightly lit it is. Also, at 10 pm, they went for a half hour with no girls. Finally, they dragged out 2 girls, one who didn't get topless. WTF. They do spent more time palling with his buddies on their hooka than monitoring the club. Waste of time.They need to get rid of that damned pool table. If you notice, most clubs with an urban vibe are set up in a more upscale fashion. I agree with the other posters about Chicas fun times. It just depends on who is there.

Also having been around strippers and this business awhile, most dancers don't treat stripping as we would our jobs / businesses. Go to the stripper websites and read their posts. Many just work to get what they need and some extra spending money. Lots of girls post that they have a hard time getting motivated to go to work.

And club customer counts and lap dance spending is down a lot since 2007-2008, and really since the pre 9-11 heydays. It was easier to find dancers who were more responsible and older like late 20's and 30's 10-15 years ago who would be at work at least 4 days a week. Now with an influx of young dancers, and slower money, there are no guarantees as to when they may be working.

You can go to a club today and find a decent lineup of dancers, and then go tomorrow and most of the girls are not there and it sucks. Ask a girl you like when she works and she won't give you any set schedule. In cities where girls have to work a set schedule it is easier, but still girls don't show up.

These girls lie to their families about dancing, want to hang out with friends, are students, have jealous guys in their lives, have other jobs and just dance a few days a month to supplement their incomes, and many are not used to working in a structured environment where they have to set a schedule and stick to it.

The end of the month many times has more dancers than customers as the " rent " girls are working. They haven't worked but 1 day all month and now need rent money.

I find it better to deal with the older kept up dancers who treat dancing as a job, who don't smoke, get drunk or do drugs. There used to be more of them around in the past than now since the money dropped off.

My point is the club you hate today may have some decent dancers / fun times if you visit other times.

It all depends on who is working. That is one reason I prefer days to nights in strip clubs here in AZ. There is no cover generally during the day, so if you don't like what you see, you can go on to the next club. At night, those $10-$12 covers add up, and if you are drinking the risks of being pulled over are greater.

[Dick North]

I agree with much of what you said, but if I were to distill your entire post it would result in: YMMV.

My disagreements have to do with 'regulars' at strip clubs and the $ that they can make.

There are dancers making boo coo bucks because they provide exceptional service and have developed a "harem. If you will" of regular clients.

And yes, there is an element of turnover and dancers who sit with BFs, but many other dancers that I know have worked for years at their clubs.

My strip club universe consists of Sugar44, Centerfolds & occasionally Christies 32nd (only because I know the VIP hostess).

Good luck.

DN.

[WineX]

Does anyone know what is going on with the HiLiter? Prior to last October it was one of my favorite clubs. I just read on TUSCL about the new lighting in VIP. I am wondering whether it is part of a continuing effort by management to screw up a good thing, or if it may be related to pressure from LE.

[Dick North]

Does anyone know what is going on with the HiLiter? Prior to last October it was one of my favorite clubs. I just read on TUSCL about the new lighting in VIP. I am wondering whether it is part of a continuing effort by management to screw up a good thing, or if it may be related to pressure from LE.My advice would be to first, pay attention to the posts on the USG and second, go find out for yourself and then report back.

DN.

[Higgs Boson]

Avoid a thin, long haired Asian chick that goes by Chyna. Jacked up the dance count in the VIP. Did 5 songs with her and she insisted we did 8 songs. After challenging her on it, ended up paying for 7. Dances were friendly, but nowhere near the best that I've had there. This place continues to go downhill from what it was 2-3 years ago. Bottom line is that there is nothing there that can't be had cheaper and better at other clubs.Though it didn't happen with the same dancer, I had two similar experiences in the last 18 months at Centerfolds. Over the past couple of years this club has declined in entertainment value for me. Granted I'm not able to normally check out either the day scene or the after 2 AM activities. I know the former has been good for Mr. DN and occasionally Dave has had a good time in the early morning hours on the nude side. I probably drop by every 4 or 5 months in the evening to check things out but don't hang around very long. I prefer natural breasts and current visits had nearly every dancer sporting enhancements. One of those without, Jersey, seems to have lost most of her enthusiasm.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

I agree with much of what you said, but if I were to distill your entire post it would result in: YMMV.
My disagreements have to do with 'regulars' at strip clubs and the $ that they can make.
There are dancers making boo coo bucks because they provide exceptional service and have developed a "harem. If you will" of regular clients.
And yes, there is an element of turnover and dancers who sit with BFs, but many other dancers that I know have worked for years at their clubs.
My strip club universe consists of Sugar44, Centerfolds & occasionally Christies 32nd (only because I know the VIP hostess).I'm interested in hearing about your recent experiences in Sugar 44, and the situation at Christies' 32nd St. I used to drop by Sugar 44 but the entertainment quotient wasn't as high as elsewhere. My last visit to Christies' on 32nd St about 3 or 4 months ago was a complete waste of time. I'm curious if the club's ad campaign has produced any results. Their efforts to make the place sound like a classy nightclub is like saying you read Playboy for the articles.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

Does anyone know what is going on with the HiLiter? Prior to last October it was one of my favorite clubs. I just read on TUSCL about the new lighting in VIP. I am wondering whether it is part of a continuing effort by management to screw up a good thing, or if it may be related to pressure from LE.I understand what you're saying. Over the past six months or so, the place seemed to lose a lot of it's excitement and energy, and the dancers on site weren't up to previous standards. I was in one of the Hi Liter's "sister" clubs about 10 days ago and an off-hand remark from someone close to management / ownership indicated that they knew the Hi Liter was "off" and needed attention.

As for myself, I occupied a wall seat only once for a dance since the change in rate for those seats. Yes, I had a good time with that dancer but noticed how quickly my funds evaporated. I wonder if this has an impact on drink sales? I left soon after that dance set. I'm sure this doesn't affect the people who routinely use the VIP area in clubs.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

Went to chicas which is on 35th ave. Has a cover, and they remodeled from their mustang days. Looks nicer, but they lost their strip club vibe. I felt like I was in a store with how brightly lit it is. Also, at 10 pm, they went for a half hour with no girls. Finally, they dragged out 2 girls, one who didn't get topless. WTF. They do spent more time palling with his buddies on their hooka than monitoring the club. Waste of time.Personally, I think Chicas is a great value but you have to like dancers who aren't white and skinny. If you're looking for a "Barbie doll" dancer, you're better off going to Bourbon Street. Also, the enhanced breast is a rare thing at Chicas and I like that. As for management, I like it when they goof off with their buddies because then they're not able to watch the activities in the VIP booths along the wall. The remodeling really made a difference in the place but if you're looking for "upscale", the Essex up on Indian School is about the best you'll find in that part of town. The area can't support a Christie's level of opulence. When things get slow late at night, there often is little incentive for the dancers to take the stage. The customer "demographics" don't have a lot of money to spend on table / lap dances and spend most of their money on drinks and the occasional bill placed in a thong. At one time, Chica's had no cover charge on weekdays and weeknights but there was a group of guys who hung around all day playing pool, taking up chairs, and not spending money. A cover charge cleared out that group. When a visit to other strip clubs in the central Phoenix area just doesn't do it for me, I'll pack up and head for Chicas. If it's late on a week night, I'm taking a chance. I have entered the club on a couple of nights to be told that all the dancers have left. Remember that the typical customer at Chicas is probably a manual worker who reports for work about 5 AM on week days and the dancers don't want to hang around if there are no customers. They don't get paid by the hour.

Higgs.

[Slacker30]

Does anyone know what is going on with the HiLiter? Prior to last October it was one of my favorite clubs. I just read on TUSCL about the new lighting in VIP. I am wondering whether it is part of a continuing effort by management to screw up a good thing, or if it may be related to pressure from LE.I know someone who sells in the club and has a good rapport with mgmt and the girls. Will be seeing this person over the next 2 weeks and will find out what is up.

I have been there several Saturday nights and during Happy Hours on Fridays and saw that customers aren't buying dances like they used to, the girls aren't wearing proper stripper attire, not approaching everyone for dances like they used to and seem to be losing interest in hustling. Girls on the floor sitting by themselves on their cell phones is a bad sign, particularly when I was only approached by two girls on each visit.

2 girls I knew who used to work there felt there are waaaay too many dancers and some girls going too far with customers to where it was hard for them to make money and they quit.

[WineX]

I understand what you're saying. Over the past six months or so, the place seemed to lose a lot of it's excitement and energy, and the dancers on site weren't up to previous standards. I was in one of the Hi Liter's "sister" clubs about 10 days ago and an off-hand remark from someone close to management / ownership indicated that they knew the Hi Liter was "off" and needed attention.

As for myself, I occupied a wall seat only once for a dance since the change in rate for those seats. Yes, I had a good time with that dancer but noticed how quickly my funds evaporated. I wonder if this has an impact on drink sales? I left soon after that dance set. I'm sure this doesn't affect the people who routinely use the VIP area in clubs.

Higgs.Thanks Higgs Boson (BTW, I am new here, and I am sure that you have heard this before, but your screen name is WAY cool.).

Though I am new here, I have lived in Phoenix most of my life and HiLiter has been my "go to" club for a while. But it looks like management is actively trying to change that. I just read a new review on TUSCL that mentions an increase in prices on the floor and for VIP and that there is now only a $5 differential between the floor and VIP. It's kind of poorly worded and doesn't mention exact prices, so I am unsure if that means that floor dances are now $25 and VIP is $30 (the post did mention increase in both VIP and floor prices), or if the poster meant that wall seat dances are now $20 and VIP are still $25 Given what happened with the increase in VIP to $40 a dance, that would seem more likely to me because I simply can't imagine paying $25 a dance for dances on the floor.

I agree with you that the quality of the club has been declining rapidly lately. Of course that's not too surprising. The formula of tits and beer is pretty hard to screw up, but with the rapid and wild price swings combined with the ridiculous (but short lived) decision to start scanning customers drivers licenses, it's not hard to guess why business is in a down cycle there. Customers don't like to be screwed, and exposing yourself to identity theft, having personal data sold, or worse isn't exactly encouraging either. Dancers want to be where they can make money, and the ones who have the most opportunity to work elsewhere will do exactly that when the club isn't as active. Unlike you, I still continued to occupy wall seats after the price increase. I simply adjusted my own habits by going less often than I did before the price increases. Ultimately it's not just drink sales that take a hit. I am sure that a lot of girls are moving on and the nightly payouts to the club are impacted as well.

If I hear confirmation about the price increases that were reported on TUSCL, I don't think there is any need for me to return to HiLiter. Maybe I just need to give BSC a closer evaluation.

[WineX]

I know someone who sells in the club and has a good rapport with mgmt and the girls. Will be seeing this person over the next 2 weeks and will find out what is up.

I have been there several Saturday nights and during Happy Hours on Fridays and saw that customers aren't buying dances like they used to, the girls aren't wearing proper stripper attire, not approaching everyone for dances like they used to and seem to be losing interest in hustling. Girls on the floor sitting by themselves on their cell phones is a bad sign, particularly when I was only approached by two girls on each visit.

2 girls I knew who used to work there felt there are waaaay too many dancers and some girls going too far with customers to where it was hard for them to make money and they quit.Thanks Slacker. Of course it may end up being a moot point. The most recent review on TUSCL mentions more price increases, and if true, they have crossed a personal line with me. But still the same, I will appreciate hearing anything you hear. And I am sure that others will as well.

[Gjammun]

I know someone who sells in the club and has a good rapport with mgmt and the girls. Will be seeing this person over the next 2 weeks and will find out what is up.

I have been there several Saturday nights and during Happy Hours on Fridays and saw that customers aren't buying dances like they used to, the girls aren't wearing proper stripper attire, not approaching everyone for dances like they used to and seem to be losing interest in hustling. Girls on the floor sitting by themselves on their cell phones is a bad sign, particularly when I was only approached by two girls on each visit.

2 girls I knew who used to work there felt there are waaaay too many dancers and some girls going too far with customers to where it was hard for them to make money and they quit.So guys I've been going there for a while as well. I wrote a recent review on a different site (referenced 803rd or 804th review). I had my best time in a while did VIP with two diff girls but I will agree number of girls approaching appears to be less. I feel like they tend to spend more time with people that sit against the wall. If you sit in the middle you have to put more effort by making contact maybe even waving them over. I don't mind doing that as much anymore. I get it things have changed but stilll very liberal in VIP and not bad on floor. If your goal is genrosity on floor stick to band aids but expect a different looking girl.

[RZM1231]

Hello fellow aficionados, I for the life of me cannot find any Asian dancers here in Phoenix, I've been to many clubs already and haven't had any luck, is there someone here who can point me in the right direction, BTW I usually visit the clubs after 8 pm.

Thanks for your help.

[JWoo9]

I have not seen that many Asian dancers myself. But I have seen a couple at Christie's in Tempe (many months ago that I went here) and some at Hi-Liters (been here more often recently). But my usual visiting times are different than yours, afternoon time on the weekend.


Hello fellow aficionados, I for the life of me cannot find any Asian dancers here in Phoenix, I've been to many clubs already and haven't had any luck, is there someone here who can point me in the right direction, BTW I usually visit the clubs after 8 pm.

Thanks for your help.

[Danimal Forth]

Hello fellow aficionados, I for the life of me cannot find any Asian dancers here in Phoenix, I've been to many clubs already and haven't had any luck, is there someone here who can point me in the right direction, BTW I usually visit the clubs after 8 pm.

Thanks for your help.I ran into a Japanese dancer at Christie's quite a few years ago but I don't go there regularly. I completely forgot her name.

There have been several Thai dancers at Bandaids. Jessie and Lisa have been around a long time and I think there are a few others recently who told me they're half Thai.

Last years I ran into several new Filipinas who said they were students. I hoped to see them hang around but none of them worked more than a handful of days.

Doesn't help you much. I'd love to see more myself.

[PhxFunLover]

Hello fellow aficionados, I for the life of me cannot find any Asian dancers here in Phoenix, I've been to many clubs already and haven't had any luck, is there someone here who can point me in the right direction, BTW I usually visit the clubs after 8 pm.

Thanks for your help.Christies in Tempe has around 3 or 4 a couple of months ago. Three of which appeared to be on the weekend shifts another was a weeknight worker.

[Kujo69]

Hello fellow aficionados, I for the life of me cannot find any Asian dancers here in Phoenix, I've been to many clubs already and haven't had any luck, is there someone here who can point me in the right direction, BTW I usually visit the clubs after 8 pm.

Thanks for your help.There are a few at Centerfolds that work nights.

[Dick North]

I'm interested in hearing about your recent experiences in Sugar 44, and the situation at Christies' 32nd St. I used to drop by Sugar 44 but the entertainment quotient wasn't as high as elsewhere. My last visit to Christies' on 32nd St about 3 or 4 months ago was a complete waste of time. I'm curious if the club's ad campaign has produced any results. Their efforts to make the place sound like a classy nightclub is like saying you read Playboy for the articles.

Higgs.My experiences at Sugar44 (aka Bombshells) go back a few years when I heard that some of my fave black girls from Christies were sent packing. I got to know a few of the girls at Sugar44 and enjoy the place for their company and whatever mileage I am interested in.

Christies on 32nd has steadily been going downhill. Even the famous 'Mustang' has now moved to Sugar44.

Sugar44 is a small club and you just need to take your time and be patient.

You just never know. A really nice time might be had at this club.

DN.

[RZM1231]

Ok so on Friday I decided to try the new T&A on Grand Ave. I got there at about 10 pm, 7 for cover. The club seems small but it was well decorated. There was about 8 dancers and about 5 waitresses. The first think I didn't like was that its a topless bar yet the don't have any liquor only beer which (I'm not really fond of), some vodka and other soft drinks. Second thing, on my hotness scale of 1-10, none of the dancers were above 7. The waitresses looked a lot better than the dancers. I grabbed a vodka and cranberry juice and it was the most water down drink I ever had. A Latin dancer approached me and ask if I wanted a dance. She was about a 6 to me so I decided not to partake. No other girl approached me and the dancer on the stage wasn't very attractive. I spent about 30 min in here than decided to leave.

After the disappointment at T&A, I decide to go back to downtown and see if I could see some SWs, I headed back south on grand and took McDowell towards downtown. I came across this place I never seen called Taboo on 17th st. Taboo is a nude club so I decided to try it. Well the cover here was 5, I was greeted at the entrance by a fair skinned, petite girl that had a pair of Ds, she reminded me of Kat Dennigs, total hottie but she was only the hostess so she didn't dance. Well this place seemed tiny from outside and even smaller inside. It was just about empty expect for a group of 3 sitting at the stage. There was only one dancer on the stage and none on the floor. The girls was thick and not the attractive kind either. I still dropped a few singles on the stage just to be nice. Another thick older woman, the bar tender, came up to me and asked if I wanted a drink, to my surprise they had soft drinks and beer, I asked for a coke. Well after the first girl finished her dance she walked off into what I assume was their dressing room. It took a whole 10 min for another dancer to get on the stage. Again it was another thick girl with a big booty, I say about a 7. When she was done after 2 dances she went towards the same room and didn't came back out. Now keep in mind that during this time there were no other girls nowhere to be seen in this club. So I finished my drink which took about another 5 min, during which no other girl took the stage or came out to the floor, than got up and left.

Ok so now it was about 11:45 so I than decided to go to my favorite spot, BM. I wasn't too crowded and there were about 7 girls working. I saw a nice ebony dancer up on stage, round booty, nice thick legs and a pair of natural see's, an 8 in my book. I can't remember her name but she danced for me before and there was plenty of roaming. When she was done, a new girl I haven't seen before took the stage. This one was petite thin but nice and toned, beautiful chocolate colored skin with a nice booty and perky big Bs, wild frizzy hair and a very nice smile, a 10 to me. Needles to say I was very interested. We chatted for a bit after she came down and she told me she had only been there for about a month and that she was from the middle east. She offered me a dance but I asked to come back a bit later so that I could see what other girls were working and she was ok with it. Then I see a tall sexy Latina with a cute face, a pair of Bs and a amazing booty, a 9 on my scale. She was also fairly new to the place as I would have remembered her for sure. She came up to talk to me and the conversation was very entertaining but I also turned her down when she asked to dance, same reason. I saw another cute black girl, an 8. Also another Latina, a 6 and there was another one I didn't get to see. So the middle eastern girl came back, we talked a bit more than I got 2 great dances from her. She saved my night.

Well that was is it for Friday, thanks to all you fellows who responded to my question, I will have to go and try those places in the future.

Stay safe.

[Higgs Boson]

Hello fellow aficionados, I for the life of me cannot find any Asian dancers here in Phoenix, I've been to many clubs already and haven't had any luck, is there someone here who can point me in the right direction, BTW I usually visit the clubs after 8 pm.Adding to others' comments.

Asian dancers are somewhat scarce here in the valley, especially if you're talking about women of Chinese, korean, japanese, and SE asian descent. I suspect it is easiest to find filipinas. That being said, there were a couple of spinners Saturday night at the Hi Liter who might have been asian but it was difficult to say for sure because of the lighting. They may have been latinas. There used to be a very cute filipina spinner who worked mostly weekdays at the Hi Liter but I met her one evening at the same club when she was trying to pickup some additional funds. Six months ago there was a a hot dancer in the evenings at Stilettos / Teasers I suspected might be filipina though I never asked her. Not a spinner but was HWP with nice butt, be / see tits with sexy dark brown areolae. Haven't been by that club for quite a while. Also about six months ago there was a filipina spinner, about 20 YO, working at Essex. Haven't seen her on subsequent visits.

Not much help here in the Valley but my ATF dancer would split her time between here and Las Vegas. She said there were lots of asian dancers there.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

My experiences at Sugar44 (aka Bombshells) go back a few years when I heard that some of my fave black girls from Christies were sent packing. I got to know a few of the girls at Sugar44 and enjoy the place for their company and whatever mileage I am interested in. Christies on 32nd has steadily been going downhill. Even the famous 'Mustang' has now moved to Sugar44.On my last visit about 3-4 months ago, a Saturday evening, the place was pretty vacant, and the security guy was patrolling very closely, keeping a tight rein on dances. Sounds like hasn't changed much. Thanks, you saved me a trip.


Sugar44 is a small club and you just need to take your time and be patient. You just never know. A really nice time might be had at this club.Time saved from not visiting Christies's will definitely make a return visit to Sugar 44 a high priority. Thanks for your insight.

Higgs.

[RZM1231]

Adding to others' comments.

Asian dancers are somewhat scarce here in the valley, especially if you're talking about women of Chinese, korean, japanese, and SE asian descent. I suspect it is easiest to find filipinas. That being said, there were a couple of spinners Saturday night at the Hi Liter who might have been asian but it was difficult to say for sure because of the lighting. They may have been latinas. There used to be a very cute filipina spinner who worked mostly weekdays at the Hi Liter but I met her one evening at the same club when she was trying to pickup some additional funds. Six months ago there was a a hot dancer in the evenings at Stilettos / Teasers I suspected might be filipina though I never asked her. Not a spinner but was HWP with nice butt, be / see tits with sexy dark brown areolae. Haven't been by that club for quite a while. Also about six months ago there was a filipina spinner, about 20 YO, working at Essex. Haven't seen her on subsequent visits.

Not much help here in the Valley but my ATF dancer would split her time between here and Las Vegas. She said there were lots of asian dancers there.

Higgs.Great detailed info thanks.

[Arizona Junkie]

Mustang was actually floating between Sugar44, Candy Store, HiLiter, and Centerfolds. She told me that 19 dancers left Christies when she did, and many of them ended up at HiLiter. I think she is ramping down her dance schedule because she is opening up a new business (sadly it's not a strip club). I have never met another dancer with a better attitude, or one that is more comfortable with who she is than Mustang. I've also never, ever, met a dancer in her age bracket that is anywhere near as hot and sexy as she is. One of my all time faves for sure!



Christies on 32nd has steadily been going downhill. Even the famous 'Mustang' has now moved to Sugar44.

DN.

[Dick North]

Some of the evacuees of Christies included Chyna who is now at Centerfolds. A girl from Taiwan. Definitely a hottie in VIP.

One other lady to leave was 'Artesia' the VIP hostess and one of the most gorgeous ladies I have ever encountered. She has now become a dancer at Bliss under the name of Chanelle (sp).

Good Luck.

DN.

[DudleyBoys]

Hello fellow mongers.

Just moved here from Honolulu and ready to get on the strip club scene because out in Hawaii the strips suck. A year ago I went to Christies in Tempe and saw a hot Asian girl name Malana and she had a "cousin" named Selena I think. Does anyone know if they are still there or did they move as well?

Any info would be great and don't worry I will post my experiences as they happen.

[PhxFunLover]

Hello fellow mongers.

Just moved here from Honolulu and ready to get on the strip club scene because out in Hawaii the strips suck. A year ago I went to Christies in Tempe and saw a hot Asian girl name Malana and she had a "cousin" named Selena I think. Does anyone know if they are still there or did they move as well?

Any info would be great and don't worry I will post my experiences as they happen.Neither of their names seem familiar with the Asians I've met at that Christies, there is one or two I didn't have the pleasure of getting a dance from yet though.

[DudleyBoys]

Neither of their names seem familiar with the Asians I've met at that Christies, there is one or two I didn't have the pleasure of getting a dance from yet though.I will have to go try it out and see how it goes. For sure taking a visit to HiLiter sounds like that's the spot to go. What days and times are the best to go? I am assuming that Friday night is probably the best.

[Dick North]

I remember after this place opened seeing Phoenix Suns players in there along with an occasional porn star on stage.

Definitely a classy place.

Over the years IMHO they tried to maintain the place predominately with a generic white class of dancers.
I know for a fact that some of the black dancers felt unwelcome and moved to other clubs.
There began the downfall and I have expressed this to management many times.

I will say this for the last time.

Bring in a diverse group of dancers... whites, asians, blacks, latinos and you might see success return!

DN

[Kujo69]

I will have to go try it out and see how it goes. For sure taking a visit to HiLiter sounds like that's the spot to go. What days and times are the best to go? I am assuming that Friday night is probably the best.Believe it or not, The Hi-Liter is one of those rare clubs that is actually much better during the days.

[Kujo69]

I remember after this place opened seeing Phoenix Suns players in there along with an occasional porn star on stage.

Definitely a classy place.

Over the years IMHO they tried to maintain the place predominately with a generic white class of dancers.
I know for a fact that some of the black dancers felt unwelcome and moved to other clubs.
There began the downfall and I have expressed this to management many times.

I will say this for the last time.

Bring in a diverse group of dancers... whites, asians, blacks, latinos and you might see success return!

DNAgreed. Let me add, they've got to stop trying to be a Gentleman's club and start being a tittie bar. The days of the high class strip clubs is long over, they need to change with the times.

[Higgs Boson]

I will have to go try it out and see how it goes. For sure taking a visit to HiLiter sounds like that's the spot to go. What days and times are the best to go? I am assuming that Friday night is probably the best.I think we may have given you the wrong impression about the Hi Liter. I think the general agreement is that the place has gone downhill over the past 6-8 months. I regret I haven't posted a report on my visit there last week. Here it is in a nutshell: according to my dancer source, VIP was raised to $40. That's per dance. That did't work out so they dropped it to $25 and that's the current price. Dances at the wall seating remains at the elevated price of $15 per dance (used to be $10). As someone else mentioned, the VIP area is now well lighted. It used to be very dark. During my visit, it was also empty. Before all the pricing change nonsense, the VIP area was typically packed on Saturday night and sometimes a dancer and customer would have to wait for a place to open up. Regarding the wall seating, during my visit about 10 days ago about 1/3 of those seats were vacant, 1/3 had customers sitting by themselves, and the last 1/3 had customers getting dances. Before the pricing change, it was difficult to find an open place to sit in that area and it was normal to have 1/2 to 3/4 of the seated customers getting dances.

I believe the club is taking a big hit in business and profitability, and I blame it on the dance prices. I used to visit and buy about 4-5 drinks. Since the changes, I have a couple drinks and then move to another club. I'm betting a lot of customers are 1) doing something similar 2) going to other clubs or 3) skipping the SCs entirely. You know I do it because I view it as my civic duty and public service (smile).

To finally answer your question, yes, Friday is a good time to visit but it will probably be best in the afternoon. You know, because of TGIF. That's when I expect to see the highest number of dancers at most of the clubs.

To conclude, I won't be going back to the Hi Liter for a long time. I thanked my dancer source through some dances at the wall seating but it quickly eroded my strip club allotment. I'll be spending my money at other clubs and maybe I'll check on the Hi liter in 4 - 6 months. I haven't visited Sugar 44, the Pink Rhino, or Stilettos in a long time.

But if you DO visit the Hi Liter, please tell us what you think.

Higgs.

[Massage Dream]

I think we may have given you the wrong impression about the Hi Liter. I think the general agreement is that the place has gone downhill over the past 6-8 months. I regret I haven't posted a report on my visit there last week. Here it is in a nutshell: according to my dancer source, VIP was raised to $40. That's per dance. That did't work out so they dropped it to $25 and that's the current price. Dances at the wall seating remains at the elevated price of $15 per dance (used to be $10). As someone else mentioned, the VIP area is now well lighted. It used to be very dark. During my visit, it was also empty. Before all the pricing change nonsense, the VIP area was typically packed on Saturday night and sometimes a dancer and customer would have to wait for a place to open up. Regarding the wall seating, during my visit about 10 days ago about 1/3 of those seats were vacant, 1/3 had customers sitting by themselves, and the last 1/3 had customers getting dances. Before the pricing change, it was difficult to find an open place to sit in that area and it was normal to have 1/2 to 3/4 of the seated customers getting dances.

I believe the club is taking a big hit in business and profitability, and I blame it on the dance prices. I used to visit and buy about 4-5 drinks. Since the changes, I have a couple drinks and then move to another club. I'm betting a lot of customers are 1) doing something similar 2) going to other clubs or 3) skipping the SCs entirely. You know I do it because I view it as my civic duty and public service (smile).

To finally answer your question, yes, Friday is a good time to visit but it will probably be best in the afternoon. You know, because of TGIF. That's when I expect to see the highest number of dancers at most of the clubs.

To conclude, I won't be going back to the Hi Liter for a long time. I thanked my dancer source through some dances at the wall seating but it quickly eroded my strip club allotment. I'll be spending my money at other clubs and maybe I'll check on the Hi liter in 4 - 6 months. I haven't visited Sugar 44, the Pink Rhino, or Stilettos in a long time.

But if you DO visit the Hi Liter, please tell us what you think.

Higgs.With Higgs on Hi Liter. I popped in on a Sunday afternoon recently. It was exactly how Higgs described it. 1/3, 1/3. I too was surprised to see the row against the wall that empty. A nice dancer came up and gave me the run down on the prices and I let her do a dance on the floor for me. Very minimal contact. Accidently brushed on a side boob and was quickly encouraged to check out VIP. Haha! She was not at all surprised I didn't want another.

Dance. Went back over the Bandaids. And man, I just love that place! The girls are fun and usually there are plenty of them to choose from. That particular Sunday was a little short staffed but it was close to noon so maybe a little early. I like that it is laid back, no drink minimum and the diverse selection of ethnicities. Wish they would turn the music down, way down. Had a few fun dances from a tall blond, big bolt ons. Very cool personality. One little latina that is always there she usually gets me to do at least a couple of dances because she gives the pouty face and a great dance.

[Higgs Boson]

according to my dancer source, VIP was raised to $40. That's per dance. That did't work out so they dropped it to $25 and that's the current price.Looking back at what I wrote last night, it struck me that the dancer may have meant the $40/$25 price was the VIP entry fee. Then there's the per dance price which used to be $20. Now? I don't know. I apologize for the oversight. I'll get it clarified back at the Hi Liter when I return in about 6 months. (smile).

It will be interesting to see what management attempts to turn this around. My recommendation to you guys is not to fall for the "customer appreciation" events which were big scams. Typically, the dances were billed as either free or $5 but the DJ would play only about half a song each time. In reality, you paid as much or more over time, so how is that "customer appreciation" ? I don't want to lose sight of that fact that dancers need to make a living. Sure, in my fantasy land, my favorite dancers would dance for me (and more) for nothing but love of my delightful personality. (tongue firmly in cheek here). Back in reality land, if I'm pleased with a dancer I tell her to keep going while trying to keep my budget in mind. I believe dancers who "get it" can do well. Dancers with friendly and enticing attitudes will get more dances with me, and their behavior will also pay off on my return visits. I'll offer the example of my source on my last visit. She's not a raving beauty but her friendly attitude and playful behavior guarantees I get dances with her every time if she's not busy with someone else.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

Here's the rest of the report I drafted about my Saturday strip club visit from about 10 days ago. Perhaps a pattern with Massage Dream's post?

(continuing on Hi Liter).

I'm betting management gets pressure from dancers for higher rates but the end result is fewer customers who spend less money on dances and drinks. As for me, I had a couple of drinks while talking with my contact, got four dances with her by the wall to thank her, then I left. In the past I probably would have twice as many drinks, and spent money on 3-4 dancers, multiple dances each. A memory I've wanted to share for months from before the pricing shenanigans involves a Hi Liter dancer with a beautifully shaped muscular butt. During one of our dances, she laid across my lap, presenting her ass directly next to my face, looked into my eyes and commanded: "Squeeze it". How could I not obey? That's a Hi Liter memory that will be with me for a long time which seems silly considering I've been face deep into some other asses but there it is.

(OK, I've stopped crying now. Continuing the narrative).

So, instead of staying at Hi Liter for more drinks and dances, it's off to.

Bandaids.

As usual, I got my specially-priced drink from the door hostess who possesses magnificent huge natural breasts. (She's also very sweet) I went to the lounge entrance by the DJ stage to do my recon. Not long after this I was joined by a thick and good looking Cubana. We entered the lounge and she took my hand, leading me to the VIP area. Uh, uh, no, no, no, and I led her to one of the seats on the south side of the lounge. She made a mild protest, saying that she felt self-conscious in that area but she lived through the experience. Then I met up with an interesting and sexy HWP dancer who's been chatting with me during my last couple of visits. It's certainly nicer than the usual "want to dance" approach. (I'm flattered by the attention but don't want to reveal too much of the subject matter since I like being incognito and I assume my postings can be read by anyone.) Bought her a drink and she gave me some nice dances in the lounge. Definitely will be watching for her on my next visit. Finished the evening with a sexy thick (latina?) dancer in a black net body suit who gave me a great shoulder massage while we waited for the song to start. There were a couple of dancers I had my eye on but they were busy. For those looking for Johanna, she was there a couple weeks earlier but not that night. Estrella was there. There are a handful of dancers who have been MIA at Bandaids over the past few months. I only experienced dances with Hazel once. I haven't seen Secret for ages though I think she's moved on to one of the clubs I haven't visited lately.

Higgs.

[JWoo9]

Looking back at what I wrote last night, it struck me that the dancer may have meant the $40/$25 price was the VIP entry fee. Then there's the per dance price which used to be $20. Now? I don't know. I apologize for the oversight. I'll get it clarified back at the Hi Liter when I return in about 6 months. (smile).

It will be interesting to see what management attempts to turn this around. My recommendation to you guys is not to fall for the "customer appreciation" events which were big scams. Typically, the dances were billed as either free or $5 but the DJ would play only about half a song each time. In reality, you paid as much or more over time, so how is that "customer appreciation" ? I don't want to lose sight of that fact that dancers need to make a living. Sure, in my fantasy land, my favorite dancers would dance for me (and more) for nothing but love of my delightful personality. (tongue firmly in cheek here). Back in reality land, if I'm pleased with a dancer I tell her to keep going while trying to keep my budget in mind. I believe dancers who "get it" can do well. Dancers with friendly and enticing attitudes will get more dances with me, and their behavior will also pay off on my return visits. I'll offer the example of my source on my last visit. She's not a raving beauty but her friendly attitude and playful behavior guarantees I get dances with her every time if she's not busy with someone else.

Higgs.I have been going to Hi Liter regularly for awhile now. And the VIP prices are $25 per song and no entry fee. As for the customer appreciation day, I was told that one of the dancers danced 20+ some songs and was only given $20. Obviously she complained but do not believe anything happen to the client. I personally had fun during the customer appreciation day even if it was without VIP visit which made no sense with shorten songs.

[WineX]

I have been going to Hi Liter regularly for awhile now. And the VIP prices are $25 per song and no entry fee. As for the customer appreciation day, I was told that one of the dancers danced 20+ some songs and was only given $20. Obviously she complained but do not believe anything happen to the client. I personally had fun during the customer appreciation day even if it was without VIP visit which made no sense with shorten songs.Hearing the line about $20 for 20 dances may just be a con to try to get a tip out of you. I know a dancer at HiLiter who worked the last customer appreciation day and she told me that her income wasn't impacted. If a customer wanted to keep a dancer for more than one song, they have to pay. I also think she said that they were charging $20 per song for VIP instead of $25, so essentially it is the same as the short lived $40 VIP.

The moral of the story is that there is always a com going on at strip clubs.

[CuteAndCoo2]

Hearing the line about $20 for 20 dances may just be a con to try to get a tip out of you. I know a dancer at HiLiter who worked the last customer appreciation day and she told me that her income wasn't impacted. If a customer wanted to keep a dancer for more than one song, they have to pay. I also think she said that they were charging $20 per song for VIP instead of $25, so essentially it is the same as the short lived $40 VIP.

The moral of the story is that there is always a com going on at strip clubs.I believe that this day should be a personal invitation only event. You come to the club often enuff, then you get invited. Most of the times that I have gone I usually see people that I've never seen before just attempting to get a bunch of freebies, and you won't see them again until next year. And then yo have to deal with the Dancers complaining that they aren't making any money. This day for the the entertainers isn't normally a day to catch up on the major bills, but maybe just gas, or phone bill. I almost said electric, but in summer months in Arizona its a major bill. And most often the clubs make it mandatory for the Dancer to come in for at least four hours or pay like a 25 dollar fine for not coming in. I would rather pay the fine then just give a bunch of super cheap guys that they've never seen before. But if the ladies come in with a great attitude that they will come in and appreciate all the regulars they tend to do well. I'm a regular at many clubs, but choose not to go, or not stick around for too long to hear everyone complain. Or for me to complain about people complaining.

[JWoo9]

Hearing the line about $20 for 20 dances may just be a con to try to get a tip out of you. I know a dancer at HiLiter who worked the last customer appreciation day and she told me that her income wasn't impacted. If a customer wanted to keep a dancer for more than one song, they have to pay. I also think she said that they were charging $20 per song for VIP instead of $25, so essentially it is the same as the short lived $40 VIP.

The moral of the story is that there is always a com going on at strip clubs.What you say may be true, everything said is to be taken with a grain of salt. I don't think the dancer who told me was lying since she was talking about others and I tipped the same as before.

[Dick North]

Went to HiLiter and wow I had a great experience but I am not sure it is common. I went in about 4 pm on July 4th and there was a few ladies in there. I was quickly approached by one girl but my eyes weren't adjusted to the change in light so I couldn't see her and denied here. Next a older Hispanic women approached me but didn't get her name. She told me that a lap dance was good but a private dance in the back was better. Wanting to see the private dance I accepted. She took me to the back and said don't worry you will have fun. When the dance started she pulled my dick out. I was wearing athletic shorts. She started giving me a handjob underneath my shorts. She did that for a bit than gave me a lap dance with lots of grinding. I think she liked the point that my dick was extremely hard. She than said you want more private dances as she licked the tip of my dick. I was ready to go but was thinking I bet this is a trap and said let me go to the bathroom first than I will come back. I went to the bathroom and came back to see her with someone else so I figured she was trying to trap me. Stayed for a few minutes more than took off. Was good fun for a bit but I get the feeling that things were not going to get much better.I suspect that most mongers on this thread would understand your experience with fewer explicit details. I know the jury is always out on this one, but I favor posting that delivers the message without the 'Penthouse Forum' details.

I am all for having the best time ever at the clubs, but I am also concerned that the clubs will be there for me to enjoy.

DN.

[Kujo69]

I suspect that most mongers on this thread would understand your experience with fewer explicit details. I know the jury is always out on this one, but I favor posting that delivers the message without the 'Penthouse Forum' details.

I am all for having the best time ever at the clubs, but I am also concerned that the clubs will be there for me to enjoy.

DN.I would tend to agree with DN, a bit of discretion is fine by me, comments like this could have some unintended consequences.

[Higgs Boson]

The moral of the story is that there is always a com going on at strip clubs.There is no doubt strip clubs want to separate you from your money but that's not really different from any other business in the US. Businesses do marketing and promotions but there are also bait and switch schemes, deceptive marketing, and even fraud. I considered the "customer appreciation" nights at the Hi Liter to be borderline scams and fraud. The club claimed the dances were free, halfprice, or whatever it was, but didn't tell you that the dance was about 1 or 2 minutes long. I was a seated customer at one such event and I gave the couple of dancers I met the usual amount per dance and I think that is what the club and dancers were expecting. I observed a later Hi Liter "customer appreciation" event while seated at the bar but soon decided that this wasn't for me and left, probably to Bandaids.

I think clubs that offer promotions, events, special pricing, etc, with no hidden "gotchas", conditions, or surprises do the best customer appreciation activities. The clubs can have special events like televised boxing and MMA events with higher entry prices, that's fine. Promotional prices for drinks during certain hours, great. Clubs that are upfront on these things and provide a good experience with fair pricing comparable or better than their peers will get something special: returning customers.

Well, other than the all important dancers, that's what generally motivates my visits. Some clubs on the periphery of the Valley are just too inconvenient for frequent visits or have overbeariing management, but being treated fairly is a big thing for me.

Higgs.

[Shallowman53]

Iam coming from out of town this weekend are there any Tranny strip clubs, or modeling venues in town? Any info. Would be appreciated. Names and descriptions, services rendered encouraged. Thanks you can PM me if you don't want everyone to know you know.

[Dick North]

There is no doubt strip clubs want to separate you from your money but that's not really different from any other business in the US. Businesses do marketing and promotions but there are also bait and switch schemes, deceptive marketing, and even fraud. I considered the "customer appreciation" nights at the Hi Liter to be borderline scams and fraud. The club claimed the dances were free, halfprice, or whatever it was, but didn't tell you that the dance was about 1 or 2 minutes long. I was a seated customer at one such event and I gave the couple of dancers I met the usual amount per dance and I think that is what the club and dancers were expecting. I observed a later Hi Liter "customer appreciation" event while seated at the bar but soon decided that this wasn't for me and left, probably to Bandaids.

I think clubs that offer promotions, events, special pricing, etc, with no hidden "gotchas", conditions, or surprises do the best customer appreciation activities. The clubs can have special events like televised boxing and MMA events with higher entry prices, that's fine. Promotional prices for drinks during certain hours, great. Clubs that are upfront on these things and provide a good experience with fair pricing comparable or better than their peers will get something special: returning customers.

Well, other than the all important dancers, that's what generally motivates my visits. Some clubs on the periphery of the Valley are just too inconvenient for frequent visits or have overbeariing management, but being treated fairly is a big thing for me.

Higgs.What the hell is your point? All of this blabbering. I don't get it. Maybe a new hobby is in order!

Jessuz I go to clubs practically every week and never experience this stuff. Maybe those of you who have issues like this need to do some self-evaluation. Let me set the record straight. Guys go to strip clubs for an erotic experience. The providers want to take the guy's money. Use your brains, don't drink too much and decide in advance how much you can spend.

Short of that advice. You could be toast.

DN.

[Vegasb]

What the hell is your point? All of this blabbering. I don't get it. Maybe a new hobby is in order!

Jessuz I go to clubs practically every week and never experience this stuff. Maybe those of you who have issues like this need to do some self-evaluation. Let me set the record straight. Guys go to strip clubs for an erotic experience. The providers want to take the guy's money. Use your brains, don't drink too much and decide in advance how much you can spend.

Short of that advice. You could be toast.

DN.DN Did you take yours meds?

[WineX]

There is no doubt strip clubs want to separate you from your money but that's not really different from any other business in the US. Businesses do marketing and promotions but there are also bait and switch schemes, deceptive marketing, and even fraud. I considered the "customer appreciation" nights at the Hi Liter to be borderline scams and fraud. The club claimed the dances were free, halfprice, or whatever it was, but didn't tell you that the dance was about 1 or 2 minutes long. I was a seated customer at one such event and I gave the couple of dancers I met the usual amount per dance and I think that is what the club and dancers were expecting. I observed a later Hi Liter "customer appreciation" event while seated at the bar but soon decided that this wasn't for me and left, probably to Bandaids.

I think clubs that offer promotions, events, special pricing, etc, with no hidden "gotchas", conditions, or surprises do the best customer appreciation activities. The clubs can have special events like televised boxing and MMA events with higher entry prices, that's fine. Promotional prices for drinks during certain hours, great. Clubs that are upfront on these things and provide a good experience with fair pricing comparable or better than their peers will get something special: returning customers.

Well, other than the all important dancers, that's what generally motivates my visits. Some clubs on the periphery of the Valley are just too inconvenient for frequent visits or have overbeariing management, but being treated fairly is a big thing for me.

Higgs.The most important thing you said is the last sentence. Being treated fairly is a big thing. Whether it is an individual dancer, or the club that she works in, attempts to exploit the people who allow you to make a living is short sighted. Personally I visit the HiLiter a lot less often than I used to before they started playing games with their pricing last October. Unfortunately the view of club management in the industry seems to be that short term gains trump everything else.

[DavePHX]

Phoenix strip club Roxy gets controversial liquor license.

Use to be Bottoms up bought in January 2014 by person that also owns and manages Blue Moon.

About 35 people from the nearby neighborhood attended the hearing to protest.

Members of the Westwood Community cited two shooting incidents at the establishment in April. Community members had collected more than 375 signatures on a petition and asked the panel to close down the club because they fear unwanted behavior would spill into their neighborhood.

Neighbors said the club is noisy, and clients play loud music in the parking lot with "no respect for the neighbors surrounding the bar and brings drugs, crime, violence and prostitution to the area," according to the petition.

One neighbor, vowed to return next year and every year to request Roxy Showgirls close.

City prosecutors represented the city, which recommended the state deny the liquor license transfer.

Assistant City Prosecutor said the new owner reached out to the neighborhood only after the City Council recommended the state panel deny the license transfer in March.

New owner upgraded club at a cost of $1 million. This included a camera-system upgrade, the addition of a security guard, a new employee dress code, and a new policy to search clients for weapons and inspect their drivers licenses. He told the board he closed down the rear parking lot, and all clients park in front.

On July 10th The Arizona State Liquor Board unanimously approved the transfer of a liquor license.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/07/11/liquor-license-phoenix-strip-club-roxy-showgirls/12548875/

[DavyJones]

Stopped by T&A Cabaret on central with a buddy for a quick 30 minutes to kill some time a few weeks ago and seen a bleach blonde Latina looking girl with huge knockers. I tried waiting around to see her in stage and get a dance but we had to run. Does anyone know who she is? Going to try and get back to that part of town soon and enjoy that if she is still there.

[Danimal Forth]

Stopped by T&A Cabaret on central with a buddy for a quick 30 minutes to kill some time a few weeks ago and seen a bleach blonde Latina looking girl with huge knockers. I tried waiting around to see her in stage and get a dance but we had to run. Does anyone know who she is? Going to try and get back to that part of town soon and enjoy that if she is still there.Sounds a little like Roxanne from Bandaids (except huge might be an exaggeration). Haven't seen her in a few months and was just wondering if she ended up somewhere else.

[NorthScotts2]

Went to highlighter last week, Friday afternoon. There were no less than 5 Asian dancers. Probably 3 Filipinas, 1 Cambodian, and I'm guessing 1 Korean but I don't know for sure as I didn't get to talk to her. She was a bit older. These are my favorite girls for sure. Very nice, not aggressive but pleasant and great dances. Highlighter is always so busy and crowded on the floor that it may just push me into the private area just so I can not be distracted by everything else going on. I just have a difficult time with the $25 quoted price per song. Especially when each song seemed very, very short on that Friday afternoon.

[Kekker18]

Hello, looking to hit up a few clubs tonight as I'm free. Anyone care to join me. Ill buy you a drink and if I'm in a good mood a dance. What place is the best bet for take out? Haven't read to deep in to thread.

[Slacker30]

I spoke with the person I know inside there. As far as VIP goes they don't want things getting way out of hand. The problem I am told with many strip clubs is that they are virtually totally funded with private investors money. In other words several guys put up the money to fund the operations and expect a decent regular return on their investments. The buildings are usually leased or owned by another partner. Hi-Liter has had outside managers hired periodically to run their club.

Their corporation owns 8 clubs. Cheeks in Santa Fe, Td's North and East in Albuquerque, Curves and Raiders Reef in Tucson, and Bandaids, Essex, and Hi-Liter here in Phoenix. It is reported they take in about $80,000 in house fees on average a day between the clubs. They have a lot of overhead so they say and felt that Hi-Liter due to it's popularity and sales volume was the club to implement dance price increases in.

Dancers HATE the Phoenix market as dances are $20 in other states and only $10 here. Guys are buying less dances nowadays and for the $10 model to work girls need to be selling dances on automatic pilot as they were doing years back and now it's not happening. You have lot's more girls on the floor and less guys buying dances and the girls are having conflict. Hi-liter has an edge and is popular because they consistently have lots of dancers but if the girls aren't making money a loss of dancers could cost them that edge which they feel could reduce popularity amongst customers.

So it's a combination of owners wanting more returns and dancers seeing less sales so I'm told.

[Kujo69]

I spoke with the person I know inside there. As far as VIP goes they don't want things getting way out of hand. The problem I am told with many strip clubs is that they are virtually totally funded with private investors money. In other words several guys put up the money to fund the operations and expect a decent regular return on their investments. The buildings are usually leased or owned by another partner. Hi-Liter has had outside managers hired periodically to run their club.

Their corporation owns 8 clubs. Cheeks in Santa Fe, Td's North and East in Albuquerque, Curves and Raiders Reef in Tucson, and Bandaids, Essex, and Hi-Liter here in Phoenix. It is reported they take in about $80,000 in house fees on average a day between the clubs. They have a lot of overhead so they say and felt that Hi-Liter due to it's popularity and sales volume was the club to implement dance price increases in.

Dancers HATE the Phoenix market as dances are $20 in other states and only $10 here. Guys are buying less dances nowadays and for the $10 model to work girls need to be selling dances on automatic pilot as they were doing years back and now it's not happening. You have lot's more girls on the floor and less guys buying dances and the girls are having conflict. Hi-liter has an edge and is popular because they consistently have lots of dancers but if the girls aren't making money a loss of dancers could cost them that edge which they feel could reduce popularity amongst customers.

So it's a combination of owners wanting more returns and dancers seeing less sales so I'm told.No MBA's in that group I take it. They're letting greed ruin their business. It's really pretty simple, if it's not broken, don't try to fix it.

[Slacker30]

No MBA's in that group I take it. They're letting greed ruin their business. It's really pretty simple, if it's not broken, don't try to fix it.I agree. In this business you cannot take things for granted. Look at how badly most of the other strip clubs here in town are doing. People's incomes are flat. Sexually oriented businesses involve spending discretionary income. Most guys don't have as much of it now as they did in the 90's.

If it were my club I wouldn't change a thing. But when you get multiple business partners involved in any endeavor, conflict amongst them usually causes that endeavor to lose business or close. I hope they come to their senses.

[RZM1231]

After a very of a disappointing run on the stroll, I decided to head to Taboo. I previously reported on this new club in which I didn't give it a very good review. Well maybe they read my post because there were improvements. Fist of all, the cover is now $10, double what it was on my first visit but after seeing the new talent I was ok with it. No sexy busty door girl which was a bummer but the dude that greeted me was polite and cool so its forgivable. It was slow, and I mean Slow, one cute tatted up dancer on the pole, nice legs, perky Cs and cute smile. Went straight to the bar and asked for a coke. Now here is the thing that bother me, the bar girl was on her phone the whole time, the coke was $5 and she gave me a cup with ice and a canned coke for me to pour it myself. Come on, what kind of service is that. OK, sat by the "stage" and started tipping the girl, she was nice and had good pole skills, chatted me up for a bit but wasn't pushie. This time the girl actually got nude. Well another thin blond went up the stage, a 7 on my scale of 10, Bs, long legs but small booty, cute face though. She also chatted me up seen how it was slow. Not pushie or crappy attitude in any way but seemed a bit stuck up so I declined when she asked me for a dance. I saw another tall girl with a nice booty walking around who got on stage when the other girl was done. Tall brunet, small Bs, long toned legs and nice round booty, I give a 7. She seemed nice and dance ok. The bar girl came buy and quoted me on the dance prices. She said that they went $50 for 10 min and 100 for 30 on the "VIP", my impression of her wasn't good already so I declined on the spot. I was bored by this time and decided to head over to BM. No bbws this time and always a dancer on stage, they have improved but still got ways to go. Total damage with tips was $35.

On VB, I always see new girls here but plenty of regulars. The club wasn't empty but didn't see busy either. Saw a tall latina looking girl with long legs and small Bs on stage but was chatting with one of the other girls so I didn't get too see her more closely. I did however saw a gorgeous black girl. This girl, London I believe, had a great ass, soft and perky large Cs, toned thick legs and a cute face, easily a 9 on my scale. She dance so well that I was jealous of the stage pole. We talked and mentioned to her that I would get a dance from her in a bit. I reported previously on a tall latina with a Lowrider model ass, she was here again and looked a good as before but she didn't approached me so no dance from her. A couple of blond chics I didn't really payed attention to, another latina looking hottie who I only saw for a moment because she was always busy. Another really cute ebony girl, thin and sexy, had great dance from her. One more cute, a bit thick but in a great way, ebony girl. Had dances from her before, can't remember her name. Nice large natural see's, and great ass. I didn't get a dance from her because she seemed a bit distant on the past dances, seems like she's all business. I had one of the other girls find London for me, well fellows this girl is hot, great, great body, definitely a high 9 and really nice, a bit hood but easy to talk to. No extras with her but plenty of contact and she can really shake that ass. Will definitely try her again on the future. Total damage $100.

Thanks for the follow up on the asian girls, I still need to look into that.

Stay safe guys.

[IndianaJones]

Is Jenna still tending at see'folds? She is by far the nicest and sweetest, not to mention hottest girl ever to set foot in that place.

[Smitty8919]

Hey everyone. Been reading this thread for a few days on my ride down to the area, and figured I'd ask straight up. Here's what I've learned so far or what I think I've learned. As for myself, I've only very recently visited a SC back home, from Buffalo but went across the border to the Great White North of Niagara Falls, CAN. Now I know up there is one of the best areas to start, as fits full nude, surprising not very high mileage (at the Sundowner at least), but I enjoyed it so much I figure did give it a try down here. Moving to Arrowhead area for at least a year, looking for a good club to visit during my time in PHX. Definitely prefer white or Latina girls, just a preference I've dated all ethnicities except Asian, not interested in that either. Full nude is slightly above simply topless, alcohol isn't the highest of my priorities (skin wins in that case). Cash is meant to be spent after all, so paying 20 for a LD isn't too ludicrous to me, as that's what it was in CAN just to start.

HiLiters is only recently become pricey and that poor business practice has turned some people off, understandable for sure but they are one of the better for mileage and looks.

Bourbon Street seems to be upscale (er), and the dancers act like it but they do have some of the best lookers out there.

Band aids is a bit sketch but your dollar goes a long way.

Basically I'm looking to get some suggestions on where to try first. Thanks this thread has already been a huge help in scouting out the area. Any other clubs I've missed or left our feel free to weigh in. Again thanks for the scouting reports everyone they've been a big help already.

[DavePHX]

visited a SC back home, from Buffalo but went across the border to the Great White North of Niagara Falls, CAN. Now I know up there is one of the best areas to start, as fits full nude, surprising not very high mileage (at the Sundowner at least), but I enjoyed it so much I figure did give it a try down here. Moving to Arrowhead area for at least a year, looking for a good club to visit .Having enjoyed for over a decade the clubs in the Falls (and one in Buffalo near the border), there is no comparison due to the different legal issues.

Ignoring the latest Supreme Court decision. As you may know long ago the Supreme Court based on a Montreal strip club case ruled full contact nude was not a bawdy house violation as long as no penetration. FS extras are not usually available at any Canadian clubs, although that is not want I have ever sought.

But I really enjoy the full contact nude laps. Totally illegal in Phoenix and most of the USA.

However, for the last about 5 yrs the strict Phoenix law from 1999 has not been enforced. I spoke at city council hearings against the new law, was on talk radio etc. Techically a fully clothed hug is illegal since private parts can not touch even if fully clothed. Dancers use to have to straddle arms of chair so as to not make contact and undercover cops what spend long nights in clubs looking for the slightest touch. I know / knew some of the owners and represented a club (Stevi Serets) at the Phx strip club Assn headed by Damion owner of Alaskan Bush. But it was no use arguing against the well funded christian group that helps cities acorss America write laws to keep children and neighborhoods safe from strip clubs. Swing clubs were also made illegal at the same time.

Fortunately today there is almost no enforcement however, give a guy an inch and will take a mile and some clubs are more like brothels (BM) with what would even be illegal in liberal Canada. That may bring too much attention to the good things we have now with lack of enforcement vs the days after the 1999 restrictions passed the City.

[Smitty8919]

Fortunately today there is almost no enforcement however, give a guy an inch and will take a mile and some clubs are more like brothels (BM) with what would even be illegal in liberal Canada. That may bring too much attention to the good things we have now with lack of enforcement vs the days after the 1999 restrictions passed the City.Yea that seems to be what I'm hearing from this forum. So where should I head? I've got tomorrow afternoon free. Not looking for anything beyond maybe touching some boobies. White or Latina preferably, no offense just not into other types.

[Danimal Forth]

Yea that seems to be what I'm hearing from this forum. So where should I head? I've got tomorrow afternoon free. Not looking for anything beyond maybe touching some boobies. White or Latina preferably, no offense just not into other types.For what you say you're looking for I think that BM won't be an improvement over Bandaids. And just the other day I had a random guy raving about Hiliter. He said the girls were much better in every way possible than at Bandaids.

BM is still $10 cover during the day, I think, and three songs is $41 when you get dances and only one of those is really a dance. I'm not trying to talk you out of BM since I used to go there all the time. I'm just making sure you didn't miss that part in the previous reports.

[JWoo9]

Yea that seems to be what I'm hearing from this forum. So where should I head? I've got tomorrow afternoon free. Not looking for anything beyond maybe touching some boobies. White or Latina preferably, no offense just not into other types.I know its too late for your free afternoon but if you are just looking to touch boobies. I would recommend Hi Liter and Bandaids floor dances since no day entrance fees and just $10 per song.

[Smitty8919]

All right so I stopped into the HiLiter at about 1 this afternoon. Reviews are right it is a bit small, not too crowded though, enough seats for everyone etc. Hot waitresses, definitely on top of serving any drink you want and drinks were pretty cheap (for a SC). Dance timer seemed a bit odd but that's not a deal breaker. For an afternoon shift there was some pretty good looking girls there. Sat for about 20 minutes, was asked by at least 2 girls for dances. Waited for the right one, and boy did she appear soon enough. Nice face, blonde, fake the's, went by Amanda. I asked her for the prices and rules, she gladly sat down and chatted till the end of the song and even though I had agreed to a floor dance (10 $ gets a lot BTW) before it was over she waited until the next one started before beginning, which was nice because previous experiences in Niagara Falls, CAN did not and charged full price for half a song. After one on the floor asked about VIP and boy was it worth any price increase people have been mentioning (25 $ isn't too bad considering CAN was 20 at the Sundowner and not nearly as fun). All in all HiLiter came through for me. Good spread of girls, pretty relaxed on things and stuff*, good waitresses (seriously most of them were hotter than most of the dancers), good drink prices and music selection. Only downside was the dance timer as girls cycle through the stage too fast and of course your dances are shorter. Will certainly be making a return. Cash spent: 65 $ (1 floor, 2 VIP, and two beers (2 for 1 drinks). Didn't try the food but it smelled great. 2 $ burgers for lunch? Cheaper than McDs ha.

[Dick North]

Visited yesterday early afternoon and spent some time with a few ladies.

Definitely quality time in the VIP. My dancer partner & I were sent to the second VIP as the first was full!

Nuff said.

DN.

[Azman84]

Visited yesterday early afternoon and spent some time with a few ladies.

Definitely quality time in the VIP. My dancer partner & I were sent to the second VIP as the first was full!

Nuff said.

DN.Man, do you have get full service there or just BJ?? Let me know because I like full service. Share some more info on strip clubs. I don't go there because I like FS and most won't give so I just pawn on backpage.

[Anotheronedown]

Man, do you have get full service there or just BJ?? Let me know because I like full service. Share some more info on strip clubs. I don't go there because I like FS and most won't give so I just pawn on backpage.You are never going to get full service at centerfolds. The VIP is ok, but not that private. Take out is possible if you have the cash, but assume $$.

[Mrmikers]

You are never going to get full service at centerfolds. The VIP is ok, but not that private. Take out is possible if you have the cash, but assume $$.Never say never. Not to brag, but I've had FS there a number of times with two different ladies, one who still works there, but only rarely. I'm an older average Joe, so you don't need to be a rich stud either. Things have tightened up there over the last year or so, and as I have mentioned in previous posts, there seems to be more and more bullshit being pulled by the dancers there. Like most clubs in town, it just comes down to the right girl at the right time and the girl being comfortable with you. Good hygiene and being respectful go a long way.

[IndianaJones]

You are never going to get full service at centerfolds. The VIP is ok, but not that private. Take out is possible if you have the cash, but assume $$.I agree that take out is possible. However I disagree that FS is not possible. I've been lucky to have multiple sessions with 4 different girls over the past couple of years. It all depends on how comfortable they are with you, and how sneaky you can be.

[Anotheronedown]

I agree that take out is possible. However I disagree that FS is not possible. I've been lucky to have multiple sessions with 4 different girls over the past couple of years. It all depends on how comfortable they are with you, and how sneaky you can be.At other clubs, I would say yes. But centerfolds? I think you'd have to be houdini my friend.

[Dick North]

At other clubs, I would say yes. But centerfolds? I think you'd have to be houdini my friend.Thanks for your reply.

As you well know, nothing illegal is allowed at this club.

I enjoy visiting Centerfolds and know several dancers there. I hope to continue to visit with them in the future.

I try to present my reports with a sense of understanding that other mongers could also enjoy a similar experience.

But, I will never suggest that any illegal activity occurs at this or any other club. To do so would not only potentially harm the club, but our hobby as well.

Most importantly, each of us will have a unique experience at each club and with each dancer that we spend time with.

Be safe and enjoy the hobby.

DN.

[Dick North]

What you just repeated was adequately expressed in my post. You do not have to follow up every post with your comments. There are many experienced mongers on this site who know what they are about and don't need any further 'advice'.
DN.

And you don't have to see his either now.

Simple no?

Your welcome as well,

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[Slacker30]

You don't need to be so goddamned arrogant in your posts. You are always trying to provoke an argument on here. Can't you just chill out and stop trying to challenge everything we post?

I'm getting sick of the condescending manner you exercise towards me and the snarky remarks you make towards other members.

I agreed with your post and you still cop an attitude with me.

I am sure you can share your experiences on here without offending or belittling other posters. Enough is enough!

I solved your problem for you, I added him to your ignore list.

You're welcome,

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[Admin2]

If you don't like what somebody posts, the solution is simple;

Click their nameClick; Add to ignore listBOOM! Problem solved.

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[IndianaJones]

Visited yesterday early afternoon and spent some time with a few ladies.

Definitely quality time in the VIP. My dancer partner & I were sent to the second VIP as the first was full!

Nuff said.

DN.Does Layla still work there?

[Dick North]

Does Layla still work there?Don't know Layla, but would recommend Arianna, Orianna & Chyna.

Good Luck.

Slacker30 What's up with your meltdown. Perhaps if you were not so 'trigger-happy' with your posts we could be best buds.
Listen up. We are all mongers on this board with an equal opportunity to express ourselves. I don't understand your decision to place me
on your ignore list. But that's cool if it suits you. To me that indicates an individual who can't deal with a challenge and would rather run and hide.
Definitely not my style.
Take it easy. Relax We can still be friends on this board.

DN.

[IndianaJones]

Don't know Layla, but would recommend Arianna, Orianna & Chyna.

Good Luck.

Slacker30 What's up with your meltdown. Perhaps if you were not so 'trigger-happy' with your posts we could be best buds.
Listen up. We are all mongers on this board with an equal opportunity to express ourselves. I don't understand your decision to place me
on your ignore list. But that's cool if it suits you. To me that indicates an individual who can't deal with a challenge and would rather run and hide.
Definitely not my style.
Take it easy. Relax We can still be friends on this board.

DN.Layla was the 6 ft brunette with tats. Cool chick. I like Jayden (when she's there) too. I stay away from Devon and a couple of others. I haven't spent time with your suggested ladies yet though.

[BlackGhost]

I've been lucky twice at two different clubs, and both times they wanted to leave with me. No money was involved, and I didn't get dances from them. Maybe they didn't have boyfriends.

[DavePHX]

There was a call this morning to industry friend of mine saying that 9 dancers were busted at Centerfolds for "dirty dancing".

Be interesting to find out more if anyone goes there soon.

[MrNoSkills]

Stopped by Blue Moon on my way to the airport for a little fun on Tuesday afternoon around 2. There were 3 guys there and 6-7 dancers. None of the dancers were 10's, but I'd place half of them in the 7-8 range. I got approached by a cute little hottie for some chit chat. Small chest, and made a point to say that that she doesn't do much funny business during her dances. So I passed when she asked me. I ended up getting a dance from a tall, beautiful black girl (the standard 41 for 3 songs). Little noskills came out almost immediately for a good handshake. There was plenty of roaming hands, including fiv, but I lost control when the dancer started getting oral. No full BBBJ, just licking and teasing. But she was good at what she did. Tipped another Jackson and was on my way. Will be back for sure.

[DudleyBoys]

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When you add somebody to your ignore list, just do it, no need to announce it.

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[IndianaJones]

There was a call this morning to industry friend of mine saying that 9 dancers were busted at Centerfolds for "dirty dancing".

Be interesting to find out more if anyone goes there soon.I'm curious also. I have heard that day girls are a little more fun, but since I haven't been able to go during the day because of work I can't cconfirm this nugget of knowledge.

The last time someone was busted, one of the girls complained about the "dirty dancing" and they started looking at the tapes. I don't think they watch the tapes unless there is a reason.

[DavePHX]

I'm curious also.The last time someone was busted, one of the girls complained about the "dirty dancing" and they started looking at the tapes. I don't think they watch the tapes unless there is a reason.I also know from a club owner I know they come in if someone makes a complaint (one time it was a jealous boyfriend of a dancer). With the mass busts and stings of johns and escorts / massage parlors, hopefully they will stay out of the strip clubs to allow in my view interactions that benefit the society with only consenting adults. At least the dancers have been verified as adults by licensing and clubs are usually pretty strict about getting dancers licensed from what I can tell.

I just returned from Centerfolds. Next post. Nothing seems to be different.

[DavePHX]

Friday 8/8/14 Centerfolds 12:30- 2 AM (Actually early Saturday).

I hadn't been here since March and kind of got womened out from all my great times in Ontario (Mississauga specifically) from May at their great strip clubs, escorts and adult body rubs. Without any of the legal issues we face in the USA.

Was packed got the last parking spot in back. Did note a few dancers leaving an being picked up by drivers but were still plenty of dancers working. No free chairs seen and found only 1 seat at the bar where I often sit anyway. But passed on any drinks.

I note the usual good lap dances in the floor with lots of cuddling and caressing which is my interest not wild gyrating. Noted a taller black gal doing a lap dance not too far from me.

Too my pleasant shock after she ("Vegas") finished with him, she came over. Often I have a hard time getting any attention. Like when I've been here with Higgs sometimes almost want to trip them as they go by or wear sign saying "pick me. " However, when I do wind up with dancers have had some great times for my type of interaction. Often it seems easier on the nude side after 2 AM. I realize some dancers prefer the young studs vs us old guys. Although fortunately some do prefer us old folks.

For a long time as I've experienced with some other dancers she just sat with me while I was doing my soft touch, massage etc. One of those times wonder if the dancer will ever get around to asking for a dance, but that is fine with me since I enjoy caressing touch with her at my side or in my arms.

She loves the work and at the club for about 3 months. A couple times a manager came by and they talked briefly but I couldn't hear what. Once this short black guy who had been a few chairs away came over behind me (she was facing me in my arms) and said something she found offensive and told a manager about it. She told me she gets fed up by weird black guys that often approach her at the club.

Finally she suggested a dance. I enjoyed my free time with her but was almost feeling guilty I was with her so long her not making any money. Took awhile till a chair opened up. One ideally placed on the wall by the VIP entrance. The dances seemed nicely longer than I recall from other clubs (did two $10 dances). Very nice my type of interaction with her great response. Nice hug at the end and a nice "for the moment" type good connection I enjoy.

Now about 1:30 and crowd starting to slim a bit. My bar seat still open. Almost immediately a tall, slender, a bit older, attractive dancer comes over. "Remember me?" she asks. Ahhh. Gee I haven't been here since March and she sort of looked familiar but asked her to remind me her name. Breezy. I slightly may recall. Now back home looking at my notes, my gosh I saw her in March 2013 and again in December 2013! Had good interaction then.

Not exactly placing her I said, "gee you have a good memory, I must be really odd". No she said, "just very nice"! After a few great minutes with her in my arms hugging we went off to a dance chair. Still not many available but she took me all around to other side by the stage entrance. Joked I thought she was going to take me onto the stage.

Had great two dances with my type of interaction. Especially liked her warm smile and gazing into eyes as well as nice slim sexy body.

General comments.

A manager was watching to the extent he could when he roamed around and did warn a few folks not to touch breasts. So was told have to be discreet.

I asked one of the dancers about the bust rumor and she knew nothing about it. The level of interaction seems very good and not really restrained any more than normal on the floor.

I went briefly about 2 AM to the nude side but wasn't approached and after good experiences with Vegas and Breezy wasn't very highly motivated to seek more female flesh in my arms! As 2 AM approached the crowd definitely thinned out.

[DudleyBoys]

Great report!

I also was at centerfold last night but I got there earlier I was there 10:00-11:30. It was starting to get busy when I got there but I was able to find a seat with no problem. When I first got in the girls were quick to come by but I told them I had just got in and wanted to settle in before the dances. About 30 minutes in a cute Mexican / white girl come by and asked if I wanted a dance and I couldn't say no. Sorry I can't remember her name but she was 5'4' ish with a nice set of boobs on her. Not a bad place and also there was no indication of a bust because all the girls looked to be giving nice lap dances.


Friday 8/8/14 Centerfolds 12:30- 2 AM (Actually early Saturday).

I hadn't been here since March and kind of got womened out from all my great times in Ontario (Mississauga specifically) from May at their great strip clubs, escorts and adult body rubs. Without any of the legal issues we face in the USA.

Was packed got the last parking spot in back. Did note a few dancers leaving an being picked up by drivers but were still plenty of dancers working. No free chairs seen and found only 1 seat at the bar where I often sit anyway. But passed on any drinks.

I note the usual good lap dances in the floor with lots of cuddling and caressing which is my interest not wild gyrating. Noted a taller black gal doing a lap dance not too far from me.

Too my pleasant shock after she ("Vegas") finished with him, she came over. Often I have a hard time getting any attention. Like when I've been here with Higgs sometimes almost want to trip them as they go by or wear sign saying "pick me. " However, when I do wind up with dancers have had some great times for my type of interaction. Often it seems easier on the nude side after 2 AM. I realize some dancers prefer the young studs vs us old guys. Although fortunately some do prefer us old folks.

For a long time as I've experienced with some other dancers she just sat with me while I was doing my soft touch, massage etc. One of those times wonder if the dancer will ever get around to asking for a dance, but that is fine with me since I enjoy caressing touch with her at my side or in my arms.

She loves the work and at the club for about 3 months. A couple times a manager came by and they talked briefly but I couldn't hear what. Once this short black guy who had been a few chairs away came over behind me (she was facing me in my arms) and said something she found offensive and told a manager about it. She told me she gets fed up by weird black guys that often approach her at the club.

Finally she suggested a dance. I enjoyed my free time with her but was almost feeling guilty I was with her so long her not making any money. Took awhile till a chair opened up. One ideally placed on the wall by the VIP entrance. The dances seemed nicely longer than I recall from other clubs (did two $10 dances). Very nice my type of interaction with her great response. Nice hug at the end and a nice "for the moment" type good connection I enjoy.

Now about 1:30 and crowd starting to slim a bit. My bar seat still open. Almost immediately a tall, slender, a bit older, attractive dancer comes over. "Remember me?" she asks. Ahhh. Gee I haven't been here since March and she sort of looked familiar but asked her to remind me her name. Breezy. I slightly may recall. Now back home looking at my notes, my gosh I saw her in March 2013 and again in December 2013! Had good interaction then.

Not exactly placing her I said, "gee you have a good memory, I must be really odd". No she said, "just very nice"! After a few great minutes with her in my arms hugging we went off to a dance chair. Still not many available but she took me all around to other side by the stage entrance. Joked I thought she was going to take me onto the stage.

Had great two dances with my type of interaction. Especially liked her warm smile and gazing into eyes as well as nice slim sexy body.

General comments.

A manager was watching to the extent he could when he roamed around and did warn a few folks not to touch breasts. So was told have to be discreet.

I asked one of the dancers about the bust rumor and she knew nothing about it. The level of interaction seems very good and not really restrained any more than normal on the floor.

I went briefly about 2 AM to the nude side but wasn't approached and after good experiences with Vegas and Breezy wasn't very highly motivated to seek more female flesh in my arms! As 2 AM approached the crowd definitely thinned out.

[Smitty8919]

Alright so I've been to HiLiter a few times now, and here's what I've gotten. Definitely a smaller place, and tightly packed for sure. Pretty good selection of girls, and good numbers too. Day shift seems a bit better for sure. Had fun in the VIP about half the time but yes dances are expensive in there (more than Ontario Canada! It's not a bad place, I'll certainly be returning occasionally, but I'm looking for another spot to check out. So far I've found centerfolds, which is about 20 min away for me (closer than HL), band aids which always sounds pretty good on here but is farther than HL (don't care, I'll make the drive if it'll be worth it), and Christies in Glendale, which would be ideal since it's super close to my new job. So basically I guess what're some of the veteran folks here's opinions on these 3? Any pros / cons? I prefer white / blonde and no real preference between fake / real. Thanks guys. If anyone wants more info on HL I'll happily share I've visited 3 times in the last 2 weeks.

[Slacker30]

Alright so I've been to HiLiter a few times now, and here's what I've gotten. Definitely a smaller place, and tightly packed for sure. Pretty good selection of girls, and good numbers too. Day shift seems a bit better for sure. Had fun in the VIP about half the time but yes dances are expensive in there (more than Ontario Canada! It's not a bad place, I'll certainly be returning occasionally, but I'm looking for another spot to check out. So far I've found centerfolds, which is about 20 min away for me (closer than HL), band aids which always sounds pretty good on here but is farther than HL (don't care, I'll make the drive if it'll be worth it), and Christies in Glendale, which would be ideal since it's super close to my new job. So basically I guess what're some of the veteran folks here's opinions on these 3? Any pros / cons? I prefer white / blonde and no real preference between fake / real. Thanks guys. If anyone wants more info on HL I'll happily share I've visited 3 times in the last 2 weeks.Keeping in mind that every day in a strip club can vary drastically, I would go to Bandaids next. It's only 2 miles from Hi-Liter. Christie's Glendale isn't doing very well. I literally drove by there 4-5 times before finding enough customers to justify my going in during happy hour. I went in on a Friday and there were about 6 girls (young). I sat at the bar watching about 7-8 customers in there and girls on their phones. No one approached me. Left 1/2 my beer and departed in 25 minutes.

Centerfolds would be a decent option. Not as many girls on a regular basis as Hi-Liter and Bandaids but decent. Xplicit on Glendale Ave may be worth popping in from time to time since you work out that way.

We are a more racially diverse metro than Canada and only 55% of our population is non Hispanic white. You will find many clubs here with fun to be had that have a lot of brown skinned dancers. Some have blonde hair, but just keep that in mind.

I know it is farther from your target area, but Bourbon Street may be your cup of tea with an occasional visit to Sugar 44.

Have you visited Candy Store yet. Decent volume club day or night and more white dancers. How about Bliss at 19th Ave and Deer Valley Rd. More white dancers there as we'll but more are the girl next door types.

[Rockyptflyer]

There used to be a strip club out by Luke AFB on Glendale. Frequented by the flyboys. Is it still there, and any info on it?

[Slacker30]

There used to be a strip club out by Luke AFB on Glendale. Frequented by the flyboys. Is it still there, and any info on it?Coyote Cabaret. I believe it is still open. Haven't been there in about a year. Have about 5-7 girls on weekend nights. Days probably none or 1-2.

[Hiloc]

There used to be a strip club out by Luke AFB on Glendale. Frequented by the flyboys. Is it still there, and any info on it?The place used to be good. Right now the dances are over priced if you get a couch dance and there are hardly any dancers to begin with. Some of the girls don't have their "licence" to go to topless.

[Rockyptflyer]

The place used to be good. Right now the dances are over priced if you get a couch dance and there are hardly any dancers to begin with. Some of the girls don't have their "licence" to go to topless.Thanks! Years, and I mean years ago, when the flyboys were there, they were totally obnoxious.

[LoneWinds]

Went to all four of these clubs late afternoon on 8-20. Had never been to Chicas or Stillettos.

Chicas is a dive bomb. Only one girl working, and she was a biggun. Definitely didn't like the look of the thugs outside, but I'll probably still go back at night to get a better feel for the place. It's a completely Hispanic neighborhood, and I am partial to that. But inside was a real dump.

Stilletos wasn't far, and was a much nicer place, but only two girls working, both white, maybe 6's. Again, I'd go back at night to get another look.

Been to Bandaids many times, decided to give it a try about 4 pm. Stayed for a couple beers, some chubbys as well as a mix of Hispanic and white. Only one black girl working, and she seemed as distant as possible. The big guy is still working door, and still needs to work on that personality issue he obviously has.

Blue Moon about 5 pm, did the usual $41 for two 3 song sets, nothing new there. Very pretty lady, who actually did the cameltoe slide, and asked how much I'd give to put it in all the way. She wanted $200, so I didn't even consider it. That seemed like a new thing, as I only recall HJ's in my visits years ago. But she also mentioned carry out was available.

Happy clubbin, guys.

[DontKnowMe19]

After taking a beating at Casino AZ and I was on that side of town, decided to hit up Skins. . 1 cover and in the door. If you've never been to this club, all tipping is done with $2 bills, no singles. Table dances are. 1 and "private" chairs are. 2 (they are seats on the walls). They have VIP rooms but don't know the price. Very few guys, lots of ladies. But all were distracted by "business" men. Guys dressed up in business get ups. No ladies working the floor, lot of sitting around and on their phones. Spent a hour and only 1 dance. Attitude was a huge problem for me, asked for a bottled water and got a dirty glass of tap water. 2 girls walking around trying to get 2 girl dances. Good music selection and a few cuties, but stuck up attitudes and girls more interested in talking to business men instead of making money. Oh well. Went in about 12 am, spent $26.

(I usually do table dances and if she continues checking on me and sticks around with some general interest, she'll get my attention and wallet. LOL! If she works it, I'll gladly pay.).

[Smitty8919]

Just wondering if anyone has any info on this place, it's close to my job and apparently has good food too, which isn't the case sometimes I've found. Looks big on their website, just wondering about the quality of dances, prices, etc. , if it's worth going. I enjoy the Hi-Liter, so if it's not like that place then I'll try Bandaids since its in the same area and seems about the same style.

[Slacker30]

After taking a beating at Casino AZ and I was on that side of town, decided to hit up Skins. . 1 cover and in the door. If you've never been to this club, all tipping is done with $2 bills, no singles. Table dances are. 1 and "private" chairs are. 2 (they are seats on the walls). They have VIP rooms but don't know the price. Very few guys, lots of ladies. But all were distracted by "business" men. Guys dressed up in business get ups. No ladies working the floor, lot of sitting around and on their phones. Spent a hour and only 1 dance. Attitude was a huge problem for me, asked for a bottled water and got a dirty glass of tap water. 2 girls walking around trying to get 2 girl dances. Good music selection and a few cuties, but stuck up attitudes and girls more interested in talking to business men instead of making money. Oh well. Went in about 12 am, spent $26.

(I usually do table dances and if she continues checking on me and sticks around with some general interest, she'll get my attention and wallet. LOL! If she works it, I'll gladly pay.).In reading your post I think you described your problem. The girls were distracted by "business" men. It has always been suggested to look your best when going to a club of any type when trying to interact with women. They probably perceived you as not having any money and wanted to pursue the more " seemingly lucrative" options. Even though I learned in business to never stereotype potential customers, lots of these dancers nowadays tend to do just that. They want to avoid rejection as many lack self esteem. They work in Scottsdale because they think men there have more money. Look classy and they will think you have money, thus coming to your table. The club is already slow. They'll take the bait. The main thing is to be approachable.

I would bet if you go in there dressed business casual with a freshly pressed designer shirt on, and freshly polished shoes, you will get some attention. Then if the girls see you buy a couple dances from one girl, you can bet that all the girls will be approaching you shortly thereafter.

[Danimal Forth]

Been to Bandaids many times, decided to give it a try about 4 pm. Stayed for a couple beers, some chubbys as well as a mix of Hispanic and white. Only one black girl working, and she seemed as distant as possible.
I was there at the same time and happened to be paying attention to that same black girl. I hesitate to say her name because my experience was so subjective, but it starts with a V and ends with N .

Overall she's fairly attractive but I don't see why she's seems to think she's such hot stuff. About a year ago she approached me and I took her up on a few dances. Afterward I was left wondering why she was so cold interpersonally.

There used to be some other black dancers I talked to quite a bit and that's probably the reason she even bothered to come by. I think I might have had to turn her down a time or two since. If they want zero conversation with me then I'm not even interested. And I mentioned my encounter to one of those other girls and she knew exactly what I was talking about. None of those dancers liked her either.

So I just happened to see her the other day standing with a guy at the bar and it caught my eye. Not sure there was anything to make of it and I don't usually pay any attention to her. Unless you just can't resist the opportunity to have her sitting on your lap, my one experience told me to completely avoid her in the future. But I do like Bandaids because I really don't have to deal much with that kind of attitude.

[DontKnowMe19]

In reading your post I think you described your problem. The girls were distracted by "business" men. It has always been suggested to look your best when going to a club of any type when trying to interact with women. They probably perceived you as not having any money and wanted to pursue the more " seemingly lucrative" options. Even though I learned in business to never stereotype potential customers, lots of these dancers nowadays tend to do just that. They want to avoid rejection as many lack self esteem. They work in Scottsdale because they think men there have more money. Look classy and they will think you have money, thus coming to your table. The club is already slow. They'll take the bait. The main thing is to be approachable.

I would bet if you go in there dressed business casual with a freshly pressed designer shirt on, and freshly polished shoes, you will get some attention. Then if the girls see you buy a couple dances from one girl, you can bet that all the girls will be approaching you shortly thereafter.Yeah, I showed up in my "wife beater", basketball shorts, and Nikes. LOL! No, I was well dressed, collared button down shirt, black slacks, and dress shoes. I showered before hand (ate at Joe's Crab Shack, LOL!) Teeth brushed, mouth wash, and mints. And I gel-ed my hair back. Got some looks in Casino AZ but no biters. But here, the only good people were the security and cashier. Waitress ignored me all night, most likely cause it was water and no alcoholic. But oh well, looking for another club. Skins has gone down in the last 2 years. Any suggestions? Staying in Tempe and looking for a good club.

[Newbie80]

I went to Jaguars tonight. Sunday / Monday Aug 25. It was packed. I actually decided to ge there because of the you-call-its Sunday's, but ended up getting there after 12 so my Jack and Coke was $6:50. I only got $13 back from a $20. $10 cover. I love the women there. These curvy mama's are the type of women that I like. Tiny waist big asses, I loved it. What I didn't like was that it was Sunday night and I couldn't get a seat in the main floor or around any of the mini stages. I was seated on the bar before I decided to leave because I didn't want to be seated there looking weird. I went to the Bikini Launge and hanged out there for a while and then went back. They put a hand band on you so coming back in is not an issue.

I hate that I have to read between the lines when some of you write your reports. I'm not American, so some of the things that you say go over my head. Anyway, speaking of "Business men", I had a great laugh at this joint because I was seated by one the stages and a dancer was giving me all her attention when one of these "business men" came over. He didn't not give her a single tip yet she decied to ignore me and gave him her full attention. I was laughing on the inside because I had a wad of money on my left hand and money on my other pockets for dances after she got of the mini stage. I just got off my seat and went over the the main stage.

This goes for the all the auslnder here, and it only applies to this joint, but I might be onto something and it might be an Americanism. If you want attention at this joint act like your the local crack dealer or a member of a cartel. I know some of you think you're ignored because you're old or fat, but trust me, that's not the case. I'm 29, %13 body fat and I might be a bit narcissitic but I think I'm good looking and yet I still get the feeling that I'm invisible at these places sometimes.

Final Verdict: I love the dancers, hate the part of town, disliked the bar, liked the bouncers, felt meh about the clientele. I will go back here on a 2 for 1 day, but I think bandaids is better ON A Sunday NIGHT because there is no cover at bandaids on Sunday nights. The spaciousness of the place added nothing to it. The waitresses are hot, hotter than most of the dancers. The restrooms were kind of filthy and had an attendant.

Demographics: %10 white, 60% Mexicanish, 40% black.

[Cloak365]

Hey guys tomorrow I will be I the West Valley for a new job and I live in the East Valley, Soooooo I was wondering if there are any clubs that offer full nudity after 5 pm anywhere between lets say Glendale and Mesa? I appreciate any info I can get.

[Slacker30]

Yeah, I showed up in my "wife beater", basketball shorts, and Nikes. LOL! No, I was well dressed, collared button down shirt, black slacks, and dress shoes. I showered before hand (ate at Joe's Crab Shack, LOL!) Teeth brushed, mouth wash, and mints. And I gel-ed my hair back. Got some looks in Casino AZ but no biters. But here, the only good people were the security and cashier. Waitress ignored me all night, most likely cause it was water and no alcoholic. But oh well, looking for another club. Skins has gone down in the last 2 years. Any suggestions? Staying in Tempe and looking for a good club.Scottsdale clubs and parlors for that matter have that pretentious air to them. I didn't mean anything personally about your appearance but the girls tend to be young there as the owners are picky and they are just looking for whale type customers.

I can't recommend Christies in Tempe either or Elite. The girls are down to earth at Elite but the club isn't run well. I was at Sonny's briefly during the day last week and met a cool dancer, but the bouncer came over as I was getting a dance and told me no touching. That is probably why with 1 million people living in the east side suburbs the clubs aren't busy like Hi-Liter and Bandaids. T&A on Central, Centerfolds, Stiletto's, Chica's, and maybe even Bourbon Street IMO are better bets.

I don't blame you for having water at Midnight in Scottsdale. It ain't worth getting a DUI.

[Slacker30]

I went to Jaguars tonight. Sunday / Monday Aug 25. It was packed. I actually decided to ge there because of the you-call-its Sunday's, but ended up getting there after 12 so my Jack and Coke was $6:50. I only got $13 back from a $20. $10 cover. I love the women there. These curvy mama's are the type of women that I like. Tiny waist big asses, I loved it. What I didn't like was that it was Sunday night and I couldn't get a seat in the main floor or around any of the mini stages. I was seated on the bar before I decided to leave because I didn't want to be seated there looking weird. I went to the Bikini Launge and hanged out there for a while and then went back. They put a hand band on you so coming back in is not an issue.

I hate that I have to read between the lines when some of you write your reports. I'm not American, so some of the things that you say go over my head. Anyway, speaking of "Business men", I had a great laugh at this joint because I was seated by one the stages and a dancer was giving me all her attention when one of these "business men" came over. He didn't not give her a single tip yet she decied to ignore me and gave him her full attention. I was laughing on the inside because I had a wad of money on my left hand and money on my other pockets for dances after she got of the mini stage. I just got off my seat and went over the the main stage.

This goes for the all the auslnder here, and it only applies to this joint, but I might be onto something and it might be an Americanism. If you want attention at this joint act like your the local crack dealer or a member of a cartel. I know some of you think you're ignored because you're old or fat, but trust me, that's not the case. I'm 29, %13 body fat and I might be a bit narcissitic but I think I'm good looking and yet I still get the feeling that I'm invisible at these places sometimes.

Final Verdict: I love the dancers, hate the part of town, disliked the bar, liked the bouncers, felt meh about the clientele. I will go back here on a 2 for 1 day, but I think bandaids is better ON A Sunday NIGHT because there is no cover at bandaids on Sunday nights. The spaciousness of the place added nothing to it. The waitresses are hot, hotter than most of the dancers. The restrooms were kind of filthy and had an attendant.

Demographics: %10 white, 60% Mexicanish, 40% black.I have been there both day and night. At night it is your typical urban club. Some of the girls do approach you for dances at night, but it's more of a party atmosphere where the heavy rain showers are a big part of the earnings the dancers seek. If you like a girl there, you probably need to tell her to come to your table while she is on stage and you have tipped her at least 5-10 bucks.

Day shift in Jag's is slow with maybe 6-7 dancers and the same amount of customers. There is fun to be had with the right girl and drinks are cheap.

[Slacker30]

Hey guys tomorrow I will be I the West Valley for a new job and I live in the East Valley, Soooooo I was wondering if there are any clubs that offer full nudity after 5 pm anywhere between lets say Glendale and Mesa? I appreciate any info I can get.Blue Moon on 29th Street and Van Buren is your best bet.

[DontKnowMe19]

Scottsdale clubs and parlors for that matter have that pretentious air to them. I didn't mean anything personally about your appearance but the girls tend to be young there as the owners are picky and they are just looking for whale type customers.

I can't recommend Christies in Tempe either or Elite. The girls are down to earth at Elite but the club isn't run well. I was at Sonny's briefly during the day last week and met a cool dancer, but the bouncer came over as I was getting a dance and told me no touching. That is probably why with 1 million people living in the east side suburbs the clubs aren't busy like Hi-Liter and Bandaids. T&A on Central, Centerfolds, Stiletto's, Chica's, and maybe even Bourbon Street IMO are better bets.

I don't blame you for having water at Midnight in Scottsdale. It ain't worth getting a DUI.Thanks for some insight for some entertainment options. Either way, I got invest time and gas. LOL! Okay cool. Yeah, Skins was my go to club for a while. Use to love my trips there. But now the luster is faded. Yeah, when every I got to a casino, I dress to impress. Reason is I'm going to be sitting next to people all night and I don't want to be remembered as the smelly guy. LOL. But I have had luck afterwards. Very true on the DUI thing, rather not have to deal with that.

[Dick North]

Visited today early afternoon.

The place was really quiet. Many patrons heading up north I suspect.

But anyway, I was immediately visited by Paris. Some of you may know this dancer, as she is pretty aggressive when she approaches you. Talks loud.

Actually starting to like her. Bought her a few shots and she was definitely getting me warmed up. Told her I just wanted to cool off and enjoy my beer for awhile.

Then came Jewel (5'3" black chick), we ended up in the private area for a very nice time. Highly recommend.

DN.

[Dick North]

Seriously?

If you want to dress to impress then go to the upscale hotels & dance clubs in Snottsdale & Paradise Valley.

Skins is basically a local bar that employs a lot of tatted dancers and attracts similar clientele.

You really don't have to 'dress to impress' in any of the strip clubs in Phoenix. Just dress casual, shorts etc, but be clean and nice.

Bring $ and you will have a good time with unlimited opportunities for an unforgettable (but potentially expensive) time.
Watch your wallet!

DN.


Thanks for some insight for some entertainment options. Either way, I got invest time and gas. LOL! Okay cool. Yeah, Skins was my go to club for a while. Use to love my trips there. But now the luster is faded. Yeah, when every I got to a casino, I dress to impress. Reason is I'm going to be sitting next to people all night and I don't want to be remembered as the smelly guy. LOL. But I have had luck afterwards. Very true on the DUI thing, rather not have to deal with that.

[DudleyBoys]

On Saturday I was in the Tempe area with a buddy and he suggested that we should go here. Like most have said cover is $12 which seems kind of steep Lady at the front said I could pay some ridiculous number to buy a year pass but I really don't count on going there enough for it to pay for itself. When we got it I ordered a gin and tonic which was terrible. It was super cheap gin and I think soda water instead of tonic that was $6. So within 10 minutes probably had every dancer in the place approach us asking for a dance. Each time we said maybe later and we mean maybe later kind of want to scope out the ladies before. Well the dancers there take that as a big no and none of them ever came back to ask us for dances. We would literally have to get up and walk to girls to have them come back to give us dances. I had a super hot blonde girl give me two dances which are $10 a piece. Towards the end of the second I started to smell a little BO which I understand its a workout giving dances but kind of ruined the mood. The second girl was a half white half asian girl who was a lot of fun I told her to come back in a little while but she never did (is it because I didn't tip at all? Not sure how Arizona strip clubs go). After a couple hours of sitting there we left was kind of boring because of the lack of attention girls were giving. I think we spent more money on the cover charge and drinks (which other than my gin and tonic was beers because we didn't want another bad mix drink) than on girls. This was the first strip club I ever went to back when I was 21 and I got to say it is definitely not the same.

[Slacker30]

On Saturday I was in the Tempe area with a buddy and he suggested that we should go here. Like most have said cover is $12 which seems kind of steep Lady at the front said I could pay some ridiculous number to buy a year pass but I really don't count on going there enough for it to pay for itself. When we got it I ordered a gin and tonic which was terrible. It was super cheap gin and I think soda water instead of tonic that was $6. So within 10 minutes probably had every dancer in the place approach us asking for a dance. Each time we said maybe later and we mean maybe later kind of want to scope out the ladies before. Well the dancers there take that as a big no and none of them ever came back to ask us for dances. We would literally have to get up and walk to girls to have them come back to give us dances. I had a super hot blonde girl give me two dances which are $10 a piece. Towards the end of the second I started to smell a little BO which I understand its a workout giving dances but kind of ruined the mood. The second girl was a half white half asian girl who was a lot of fun I told her to come back in a little while but she never did (is it because I didn't tip at all? Not sure how Arizona strip clubs go). After a couple hours of sitting there we left was kind of boring because of the lack of attention girls were giving. I think we spent more money on the cover charge and drinks (which other than my gin and tonic was beers because we didn't want another bad mix drink) than on girls. This was the first strip club I ever went to back when I was 21 and I got to say it is definitely not the same.The owner of this chain and his family who runs things now are hung on the 90's way of doing business. They want to be upscale and want customers whom they perceive to be upscale and are willing to pay for the package deal. Run a tab, buy VIP and Champagne rooms and tip well. We live in a multicultural society now, and they are stuck in the predominately white classic rock manner of operations with a handful of girls of color sprinkled in. I know first hand from people who worked for them and knew the owner. He is from Memphis.

Plus lot's of the girls nowadays are young and are not as comfortable interacting with the customers as they were 10-15 years ago. You have less dancers in their 30's now who have danced for some years, and who aren't scared or intimidated by being told no for dances. Those girls understand to come back for dances and let you get settled in when you first get to the club. Plus guys are slower to spend money on dances nowadays compared to the late 90's, early 2000's. Most guys would buy multiple dances without much thought in the past. That is how the AZ market worked. Cheap dances and most everybody bought them.

Now only the minority of customers buy dances and tip, plus the clubs have more girls than money spending customers nowadays so the rejection is fierce.

I would bet lots of the dancers there are in their early 20's.

FYI, when I order a mixed drink, I never order well drinks. I specify my brand: Bombay Sapphire and tonic, or Tanqueray and tonic, in other words order premium call drinks to avoid the cheap house liquor.

Christies has a free coupon for every location BUT Tempe in the AZ Republic daily. Again the old school way of doing things.

I don't enjoy the clubs as much now as 15 years ago. The girls and the vibe is different.

[RZM1231]

Saturday I decided to try out Bandaids as I seen positive review here. It was around 8 pm when I got there, as I walked in I noticed that the Bar was full. Plenty of dancers roaming the floor. Most of them with big and I mean big booties. Some really nice and some not so nice. I headed over to the back area to the main stage. As soon as sat down a latina bbw came right over and sat on my lap, she was very cute with all the right portions well filled. She immediately, in a very persuasive manner, asked me if I wanted a dance, but since I had just sat down I wanted to scope out the place so I politely declined. I should add that even though I enjoy a big pair and a full booty, I'm not too into bbws, also I prefer a bit of simple conversation rather than just the "do you want a dance. " Any how, I was approached by a really cute server, she seemed Native American and had a petite but gorgeous body, she took my drink order. It took her bit long to get me that rum and coke, which was quiet strong but enjoyable. However, she was very polite and had a good attitude so I made sure I tipped her every time she came over. It was a shame she was only a server. I was approached by two other latina girls, both slimmer but with plenty on both the top and the back. Again they started with the "Do you want a dance line" so I again declined. I saw a tall African American dancer take the stage. She was hot. I tipped her while she was doing her routine but she never came over so at this point I decided to take off. Total damage. 26 with drinks, tips and cover. It wasn't a bad experience so I'll give this club another try later on.

I then went to my usual spot, BM. It was quiet, I guess because of labor day. I saw a couple of the regular cuties. And a couple new ones. But I was in the mood for some of the bustier ebony girls which I didn't see a single one. I stayed for about an hour tipping at the girls on the stage but ultimately left to find a dream. Stay safe fellows.

On a side note, I do agree that one must keep good hygiene and appearance when going to any club. Maybe not wear a suit but something you liked to be seen on.

[Slacker30]

Saturday I decided to try out Bandaids as I seen positive review here. It was around 8 pm when I got there, as I walked in I noticed that the Bar was full. Plenty of dancers roaming the floor. Most of them with big and I mean big booties. Some really nice and some not so nice. I headed over to the back area to the main stage. As soon as sat down a latina bbw came right over and sat on my lap, she was very cute with all the right portions well filled. She immediately, in a very persuasive manner, asked me if I wanted a dance, but since I had just sat down I wanted to scope out the place so I politely declined. I should add that even though I enjoy a big pair and a full booty, I'm not too into bbws, also I prefer a bit of simple conversation rather than just the "do you want a dance. " Any how, I was approached by a really cute server, she seemed Native American and had a petite but gorgeous body, she took my drink order. It took her bit long to get me that rum and coke, which was quiet strong but enjoyable. However, she was very polite and had a good attitude so I made sure I tipped her every time she came over. It was a shame she was only a server. I was approached by two other latina girls, both slimmer but with plenty on both the top and the back. Again they started with the "Do you want a dance line" so I again declined. I saw a tall African American dancer take the stage. She was hot. I tipped her while she was doing her routine but she never came over so at this point I decided to take off. Total damage. 26 with drinks, tips and cover. It wasn't a bad experience so I'll give this club another try later on.Keep in mind that Arizona is a "want to dance" market where because dances are 1/2 the going rate in most of the country, the girls don't spend much time chatting. If the girl approaches you and seems cute to you just get a dance or 2 and if the dances aren't what you hoped for, on to the next one.

Girls do talk to some of the customers there, but they are the ones whom have bought dances from the dancer before and a rapport has developed. It is unlikely to have a girl sit and talk to you for a few songs at Bandaids before you have bought a dance. In some of the slower clubs here in Phoenix you may get some small talk for a song before the question is popped.

Bandaids is a club to take a handful of 10's in and test the waters.

[RZM1231]

Keep in mind that Arizona is a "want to dance" market where because dances are 1/2 the going rate in most of the country, the girls don't spend much time chatting. If the girl approaches you and seems cute to you just get a dance or 2 and if the dances aren't what you hoped for, on to the next one.

Girls do talk to some of the customers there, but they are the ones whom have bought dances from the dancer before and a rapport has developed. It is unlikely to have a girl sit and talk to you for a few songs at Bandaids before you have bought a dance. In some of the slower clubs here in Phoenix you may get some small talk for a song before the question is popped.

Bandaids is a club to take a handful of 10's in and test the waters.I will take you up on that.

[DontKnowMe19]

Since I'm stuck in the Tempe / Scottsdale area, Skins is the better rated club. Still trying to get the lay of the land out here. Anyways, went on a Sunday afternoon and had a blast. The dancer, let's call her G, was amazing and basically took my wallet. (As in she worked it hard and I paid. LOL.) It was pretty busy but the dancers were moving. No white meat fun but got more for my money.

Now the bad and ugly. Went back late afternoon on Thursday. Lotta girls and little guys, good for me right? Nope, I got more action from the waitress than dancers. G was there and she worked it and brushed me aside for more money. (Got the reserved seating dances, but others wanted in on the action. I don't blame her, she needs to make that money. LOL.) Than another ebony dancer showed up, named the, and she was working it. 3 table dances and she left. After about 6 pm, the start of the football season, I was the only one paying attention to the dancers. Everyone else was watching the game. Than I noticed only 4 dancers were left and they were more interested in getting the bar attention than I. Oh well, just sat there enjoying the game when a new waitress started her shift. I was fine on my drink and didn't want another. After finishing and trying to enjoy the game and dancers, she kept bugging me for another drink. Said I was fine and said maybe later. Than 5 minutes after this, she came storming towards me. In a negative attitude, said "There is a 2 drink minimum, so if you don't order now, you will have too leave. " I was angry after this, I stated, "the other waitress you relieved brought me 5 drinks prior to your shift. So I do not need a drink right. " Not saying sorry or stating that she was missed informed, she just said, "Okay, whatever. " Wow! That just made me angry and I left shortly after. I was going to order another drink, but decided to cut my losses and leave.

On Sunday, spent $125 on drinks and dances, no cover charge. On Thursday, $155 on drinks and dances. So now I'm looking for a new home. The bad here at evening / nighttime is off putting. Afternoon is better, but will not be going back for a while.

[Bigtim47]

Since I'm stuck in the Tempe / Scottsdale area, Skins is the better rated club. Still trying to get the lay of the land out here. Anyways, went on a Sunday afternoon and had a blast. The dancer, let's call her G, was amazing and basically took my wallet. (As in she worked it hard and I paid. LOL.) It was pretty busy but the dancers were moving. No white meat fun but got more for my money.

Now the bad and ugly. Went back late afternoon on Thursday. Lotta girls and little guys, good for me right? Nope, I got more action from the waitress than dancers. G was there and she worked it and brushed me aside for more money. (Got the reserved seating dances, but others wanted in on the action. I don't blame her, she needs to make that money. LOL.) Than another ebony dancer showed up, named the, and she was working it. 3 table dances and she left. After about 6 pm, the start of the football season, I was the only one paying attention to the dancers. Everyone else was watching the game. Than I noticed only 4 dancers were left and they were more interested in getting the bar attention than I. Oh well, just sat there enjoying the game when a new waitress started her shift. I was fine on my drink and didn't want another. After finishing and trying to enjoy the game and dancers, she kept bugging me for another drink. Said I was fine and said maybe later. Than 5 minutes after this, she came storming towards me. In a negative attitude, said "There is a 2 drink minimum, so if you don't order now, you will have too leave. " I was angry after this, I stated, "the other waitress you relieved brought me 5 drinks prior to your shift. So I do not need a drink right. " Not saying sorry or stating that she was missed informed, she just said, "Okay, whatever. " Wow! That just made me angry and I left shortly after. I was going to order another drink, but decided to cut my losses and leave.

On Sunday, spent $125 on drinks and dances, no cover charge. On Thursday, $155 on drinks and dances. So now I'm looking for a new home. The bad here at evening / nighttime is off putting. Afternoon is better, but will not be going back for a while.I would recommend that you try Bourbon Street. I know that for whatever reason, many mongers on this site don't like Bourbon. I'm just a part-time snowbird from the Midwest, but I feel very comfortable at Bourbon when I'm out in AZ. Yes, many of the dancers are enhanced or "injected" as I like to say. Lately more are not, and more tats are allowed than previously. No cover during the day, two for one drinks, and free popcorn to make you drink more. What's not to like. Dancers are very friendly and talkative with me. No annoying attendant in the boys restroom trying to make the club more upscale. VIP dances are $20 with hands on fun. Most dancers are 8's, 9's and tens.

I realize that different mongers have different tastes and expectations. I'm not much of a real monger, as streetwalkers, and back-page girls are not for me. I do have a young student dancer from a different club under "scholarship". Maybe my tastes are too selective to be a true monger. But I'm very comfortable at Bourbon, and highly recommend it as my club of choice.

By the way, I enjoy going to Hiliter. Like the food, and some of the dancers, but ouch, some are 4's and fives. Action in VIP can get wild with the right dancer. I like Skin during the day. Some free food and 2 for 1 drinks. Comfortable and pleasant. I have been to the many mongers club of choice. Bandaids - Yuck, not for me. Sorry.

[Higgs Boson]

Been visiting clubs but little time for reporting.

I decided to look over a couple of clubs I haven't visited for a long time. All are Saturday evening visits unless noted.

Christie's Glendale (formerly Pink) on Northern under the 67 Ave / Grand Ave bridge. I knew there was some interior work done in the last few months, probably refreshing the existing layout. There weren't any radical changes to the main lounge but it looked nicer than I remembered. Difficult to get a drink. I was ignored at the bar for nearly 10 minutes. On my last visit, the dancers were adequate but I was more impressed with their appearance on this trip. For the most part, they were all very nice looking. A couple were very hot, and not an obvious enhanced chest in the lot. That gives the place bonus points in my book. A couple of dancers greeted me at the bar but none said much more than they were available for a dance. I did ask one what the arrangements were and she knew exactly what I was asking about: dances were $10 at one of the lounge tables, $20 each at a couch and $100 upstairs (2 the floor). She may have been referring to the required $100 bottle of wine / champagne which was the situation on previous visits. That was the time I decided to leave. After I got outside a voice from the parking lot asked why I was leaving so early. A dancer in street clothes appeared and said she saw me by the bar and was planning on showing me a good time. Why don't I stick around, she said, and she brushed her hand against the mini Boson to make her point. Tempting but I was a particle with a mission. It was time for the next club. Question to self: I would have to be drunk out of my mind or drugged to take a dancer upstairs at this club. Who does that stuff?

Stilettos (formerly Teasers).

I arrived here about 10:30 and the parking lot was almost empty but I decided to go inside anyway to see what dancers were there. How many dancers, you might ask. There were 2 dancers, non on stage and only one was visible. There were about 8 customers. The place was nearly deserted and I recognized none of the dancers, management, security or even the DJ. Sitting down at a table I was soon approached by the second dancer who inquired about dances. We made some small talk and I got the update on what's supposed to happen now that they belong to the Spearmint Rhino organization. A major remodel is planned for the summer. It's been about a month since this visit and they're running out of time. For the second time I heard the words "mechanical bull". I'll believe it when I see it. The dancer was hot, so I got several dances. I'll be back to see if they've done any remodeling.

Sugar 44: I dropped by for my semi-annual visit. It's a classy little lounge. I can understand why people like it. About 3 dancers there between 9 PM and 10 PM. They were nice enough. Why do the bartenders seem to have an attitude?

Centerfolds. Thanks to Dave's report, I decided it was time to try this club again 6 or 8 months after my last visit. The place was packed with 3 or 4 bachelor parties which included spouses / girlfriends. This is not a good environment for dancers wanting to make money. Seated at the bar I suddenly found a blonde pixie next to me and making pleasant conversation. Needless to say, this led to some nice dances out on the floor. This was followed with dances with a couple of other dancers and the last one had me breathing hard as she gave me some of the hottest dances I've ever had outside a VIP area. As Arnold says, "I'll be back". Did a couple of laps around the nude area before leaving but nothing to report on that.

Pink Rhino on Van Buren. Two visits. As noted previously, this place really becomes a night club beginning at 11 PM. My first return visit was early, between 9 PM and 10 PM, so there were only about 10 customers, plus wait staff, and a couple dancers. Cover is $10 and drinks are reasonably priced (domestic bottled beer at $5) but evening drinks are 2 for 1 until 11 PM. One of the dancers, perhaps white or latina was very pleasant. She was HWP, leaning to the thick side and with large breasts. She suggested we sit down at one of the side tables to talk. I saw that her top pushed her breasts up and I silently wondered about their authenticity. As if reading my mind, she pulled the top off over her head to give me a good look. I can tell you that were were definitely no artificial ingredients involved. She gave me some dances where we were sitting but made it clear that it was hands-off on her breasts unless we went to the VIP area. Dances were $10 on the floor, $25 in VIP. I left before the place to visit another club before 10:30. I had no idea what I was missing after 11 PM.

Pink Rhino, second visit, last week. My plan was to drop by again to enjoy the 2 for 1 beverages before heading to check another club. But as Robert Burns said "The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley," In this case, it was not a bad thing. Enjoying my beverages with my back to the bar, time slipped by as I observed the scene with the dancers on the main stage and the patrons seated at various tables. Then, as if by magic, between 10:30 and 11:00 the place was transformed from a nearly empty club into party central. Customers, men and women, singly but mostly in groups, arrived and seemed to fill the club to half capacity by 11 PM and completely full by Midnight. The club patronage is mostly black and the music was, well, appropriate for the audience. This is not the place to go if you're looking for stick figure spinner dancers or cartoon boobed skinny women. I was told the dancers earn the most money while on stage rather than with table or VIP dances. Patrons place or throw bills on the stage and a security guy sweeps the stage with a small push broom at the end of the dancer's set. Some dancers ascend smaller satellite stages when not on the main stage. Got dances with three dancers including my friend from the week before. The last one was with a dancer who looked like she was right out of a hip-hop video. I was hooked but she was nothing like another dancer who had me mesmerized to the point that I was paralyzed. It's been a long time since I closed a club down and that's what happened that evening.

Hey Newbie80, have you been to the Pink Rhino since your last report on the club? We need to meet up again.

Higgs.

[IndianaJones]

I've heard Alex the former bartender from Centerfolds and Judit a former dancer from there also are now both working at Bliss. Any truth to the rumors? Is Layla (tall girl) still dancing at Centerfolds also?

[Higgs Boson]

Keep in mind that Arizona is a "want to dance" market where because dances are 1/2 the going rate in most of the country, the girls don't spend much time chatting. If the girl approaches you and seems cute to you just get a dance or 2 and if the dances aren't what you hoped for, on to the next one.I don't know if Arizona is any different from other places regarding "want a dance" as the first question from a dancer's mouth but I've only been to strip clubs in a half dozen states / provinces in North America.


Girls do talk to some of the customers there, but they are the ones whom have bought dances from the dancer before and a rapport has developed. It is unlikely to have a girl sit and talk to you for a few songs at Bandaids before you have bought a dance. In some of the slower clubs here in Phoenix you may get some small talk for a song before the question is popped.I agree that if things are slow or the customers are sitting around not buying dances, a dancer is more likely to invest the time in at least some basic greeting or conversation. Many of us would like to have a hot chick take a personal interest in us and some guys may not give a sh*t but let's now talk about real life. The dancers are there to earn money. I think the smarter and more socially aware dancers will recognize that investing some basic conversation will yield benefits over the immediate and longer term. On the other hand, if the crowd is buying dances, the dancers won't pass up those opportunities.


Bandaids is a club to take a handful of 10's in and test the waters.Good advice for any strip club.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

On a side note, I do agree that one must keep good hygiene and appearance when going to any club. Maybe not wear a suit but something you liked to be seen on.Good hygiene, nice shorts, polo shirt and sandals. Welcome to Arizona.

Save the suit for Christies', or if you're going to a club directly from the office or a meeting. Be careful with the suit. You may end up with cosmetic imprints in the crotch. If you're lucky. (smile).

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

The owner of this chain and his family who runs things now are hung on the 90's way of doing business. They want to be upscale and want customers whom they perceive to be upscale and are willing to pay for the package deal. Run a tab, buy VIP and Champagne rooms and tip well. We live in a multicultural society now, and they are stuck in the predominately white classic rock manner of operations with a handful of girls of color sprinkled in. I know first hand from people who worked for them and knew the owner. He is from Memphis.Funny story (to me, anyway). I was chatting with a certain dancer on my lap during my last visit to Centerfolds, and the subject came up that she spent a short time at Christies'. She said "Christies' is so (she hesitates) '90's".


Plus guys are slower to spend money on dances nowadays compared to the late 90's, early 2000's. Most guys would buy multiple dances without much thought in the past. That is how the AZ market worked. Cheap dances and most everybody bought them.Then the housing bubble burst. I knew a former Hi Liter and Bandaids security guy (Jason, Rest In Peace) and he said during the real estate buy / sell craze the realtors were dropping tons of cash in the clubs. Obviously the building trades were pretty flush too. Then the housing bubble burst.


Now only the minority of customers buy dances and tip, plus the clubs have more girls than money spending customers nowadays so the rejection is fierce.The Great Recession had / has one set of people (the dancers) with minimal qualifications seeking income opportunities and another set (customers) not having the funds to burn they had during the housing craze.


Christies has a free coupon for every location BUT Tempe in the AZ Republic daily. Again the old school way of doing things.Not only that but they are often offering two ads / coupons in the local paper. Just this past week, they had ads in section A and also in the sports section. That was definitely on Thurday, Friday and Saturday.

Previously several of the clubs would advertise in the NT but now only a couple do. I believe that rest are relying on their web pages which have printable coupons. Haven't checked that lately.


I don't enjoy the clubs as much now as 15 years ago. The girls and the vibe is different.I'm having the opposite experience. I think you have to find the club (s) that work for you and recognize that you may also have to move on if the club management screws up or the current mix of a club's dancers isn't working for you.

Higgs.

[Newbie80]

Been visiting clubs but little time for reporting.

I decided to look over a couple of clubs I haven't visited for a long time. All are Saturday evening visits unless noted.

Christie's Glendale (formerly Pink) on Northern under the 67 Ave / Grand Ave bridge. I knew there was some interior work done in the last few months, probably refreshing the existing layout. There weren't any radical changes to the main lounge but it looked nicer than I remembered. Difficult to get a drink. I was ignored at the bar for nearly 10 minutes. On my last visit, the dancers were adequate but I was more impressed with their appearance on this trip. For the most part, they were all very nice looking. A couple were very hot, and not an obvious enhanced chest in the lot. That gives the place bonus points in my book. A couple of dancers greeted me at the bar but none said much more than they were available for a dance. I did ask one what the arrangements were and she knew exactly what I was asking about: dances were $10 at one of the lounge tables, $20 each at a couch and $100 upstairs (2 the floor). She may have been referring to the required $100 bottle of wine / champagne which was the situation on previous visits. That was the time I decided to leave. After I got outside a voice from the parking lot asked why I was leaving so early. A dancer in street clothes appeared and said she saw me by the bar and was planning on showing me a good time. Why don't I stick around, she said, and she brushed her hand against the mini Boson to make her point. Tempting but I was a particle with a mission. It was time for the next club. Question to self: I would have to be drunk out of my mind or drugged to take a dancer upstairs at this club. Who does that stuff?

Stilettos (formerly Teasers).

I arrived here about 10:30 and the parking lot was almost empty but I decided to go inside anyway to see what dancers were there. How many dancers, you might ask. There were 2 dancers, non on stage and only one was visible. There were about 8 customers. The place was nearly deserted and I recognized none of the dancers, management, security or even the DJ. Sitting down at a table I was soon approached by the second dancer who inquired about dances. We made some small talk and I got the update on what's supposed to happen now that they belong to the Spearmint Rhino organization. A major remodel is planned for the summer. It's been about a month since this visit and they're running out of time. For the second time I heard the words "mechanical bull". I'll believe it when I see it. The dancer was hot, so I got several dances. I'll be back to see if they've done any remodeling.

Sugar 44: I dropped by for my semi-annual visit. It's a classy little lounge. I can understand why people like it. About 3 dancers there between 9 PM and 10 PM. They were nice enough. Why do the bartenders seem to have an attitude?

Centerfolds. Thanks to Dave's report, I decided it was time to try this club again 6 or 8 months after my last visit. The place was packed with 3 or 4 bachelor parties which included spouses / girlfriends. This is not a good environment for dancers wanting to make money. Seated at the bar I suddenly found a blonde pixie next to me and making pleasant conversation. Needless to say, this led to some nice dances out on the floor. This was followed with dances with a couple of other dancers and the last one had me breathing hard as she gave me some of the hottest dances I've ever had outside a VIP area. As Arnold says, "I'll be back". Did a couple of laps around the nude area before leaving but nothing to report on that.

Pink Rhino on Van Buren. Two visits. As noted previously, this place really becomes a night club beginning at 11 PM. My first return visit was early, between 9 PM and 10 PM, so there were only about 10 customers, plus wait staff, and a couple dancers. Cover is $10 and drinks are reasonably priced (domestic bottled beer at $5) but evening drinks are 2 for 1 until 11 PM. One of the dancers, perhaps white or latina was very pleasant. She was HWP, leaning to the thick side and with large breasts. She suggested we sit down at one of the side tables to talk. I saw that her top pushed her breasts up and I silently wondered about their authenticity. As if reading my mind, she pulled the top off over her head to give me a good look. I can tell you that were were definitely no artificial ingredients involved. She gave me some dances where we were sitting but made it clear that it was hands-off on her breasts unless we went to the VIP area. Dances were $10 on the floor, $25 in VIP. I left before the place to visit another club before 10:30. I had no idea what I was missing after 11 PM.

Pink Rhino, second visit, last week. My plan was to drop by again to enjoy the 2 for 1 beverages before heading to check another club. But as Robert Burns said "The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley," In this case, it was not a bad thing. Enjoying my beverages with my back to the bar, time slipped by as I observed the scene with the dancers on the main stage and the patrons seated at various tables. Then, as if by magic, between 10:30 and 11:00 the place was transformed from a nearly empty club into party central. Customers, men and women, singly but mostly in groups, arrived and seemed to fill the club to half capacity by 11 PM and completely full by Midnight. The club patronage is mostly black and the music was, well, appropriate for the audience. This is not the place to go if you're looking for stick figure spinner dancers or cartoon boobed skinny women. I was told the dancers earn the most money while on stage rather than with table or VIP dances. Patrons place or throw bills on the stage and a security guy sweeps the stage with a small push broom at the end of the dancer's set. Some dancers ascend smaller satellite stages when not on the main stage. Got dances with three dancers including my friend from the week before. The last one was with a dancer who looked like she was right out of a hip-hop video. I was hooked but she was nothing like another dancer who had me mesmerized to the point that I was paralyzed. It's been a long time since I closed a club down and that's what happened that evening.

Hey Newbie80, have you been to the Pink Rhino since your last report on the club? We need to meet up again.

Higgs.Haven't been there since, but The Pink Rhino and Jaguars have almost the same vibe. We should, set something up for next weekend. Txt me if you still have my number.

[Higgs Boson]

Haven't been there since, but The Pink Rhino and Jaguars have almost the same vibe. We should, set something up for next weekend. Txt me if you still have my number.I'll be in touch.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

Saturday night I decided to visit Xecutive show lounge. (For those of you new to or visiting Phoenix, this is the only legitimate adult establishment on University Drive. The rest have reputations as rip off establishments). Arrived about 9 PM after about a 2 year absence. This was a place with primarily nice booty black dancers and black patrons. I say WAS because things have changed a lot. Pulling up to the bar, I saw a White female bartender, an older white guy and one dumpy white dancer in street clothes at the bar. Later a hot black dancer showed up and we talked for little while until she had to leave. Meanwhile a couple of other dumpy white dancers showed up and one who may have been latina. I was joined by a new black dancer who kept me busy for awhile. Maybe 15 customers, primarily white. One small "posse" did some tipping at the stage then decided to adjourn to the smoking patio. Music is current "urban". I will probably return to confirm what I thought I saw that evening but it's not about to become my regular hangout.

Higgs.

[IndianaJones]

I've heard that Alex the former bartender at Centerfolds is now dancing at Bliss. Is it true? I've also heard that Judit, also from Centerfolds, is also dancing there. Anyone know about these rumors?

[Higgs Boson]

I've heard that Alex the former bartender at Centerfolds is now dancing at Bliss. Is it true? I've also heard that Judit, also from Centerfolds, is also dancing there. Anyone know about these rumors?Would it kill you to do the field research? Make the trip to Bliss and report back.

Higgs.

[IndianaJones]

Would it kill you to do the field research? Make the trip to Bliss and report back.

Higgs.At the moment, yes it would since I'm out of state for a while and was wondering if the rumors were true. The drive to the club is also an hour from home so it kinda sucks to go to the club and not be able to enjoy myself. So before being sarcastic please stop and think that there may be a legitimate reason for the question.

Also, I just saw on Centerfolds facebook page they have a private room. Anyone know what that is? I know the VIP areas and bottle room well, but not the private room.

[Papa Rotzi]

Perhaps, IJ, if you had clarified you situation in your original post (as you just did here), others (including the "God Particle" aka Higgs Boson) might have understood and stepped up to the plate. Blasting Higgs for not being a savant or mind reader is not the best way to win friends and influence people. Just saying. Too many folks ask questions for which research and information has already been posted, or would be easy enough to reconnoiter on their own. Now perhaps, since your situation has been clarified, someone familiar with Centerfolds can help you out.


At the moment, yes it would since I'm out of state for a while and was wondering if the rumors were true. The drive to the club is also an hour from home so it kinda sucks to go to the club and not be able to enjoy myself. So before being sarcastic please stop and think that there may be a legitimate reason for the question.

Also, I just saw on Centerfolds facebook page they have a private room. Anyone know what that is? I know the VIP areas and bottle room well, but not the private room.

[Newbie80]

Just a heads up. I heard this on the radio. Sophie Dee and Gianna Michaels will be at Christies on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

[Hiloc]

Just a heads up. I heard this on the radio. Sophie Dee and Gianna Michaels will be at Christies on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.Which location? Phx or Tempe?

[JWoo9]

Which location? Phx or Tempe?A quick check of Christies Cabaret website says Phx location.

[Kujo69]

Just a heads up. I heard this on the radio. Sophie Dee and Gianna Michaels will be at Christies on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.Yay, washed up, out of shape pornstars!

[DudleyBoys]

Just got paid and looking to enjoy the Arizona talent? Any suggestions for tonight boys? I will for sure put up a report and please don't suggest the washed up pornstars, I only like pornstars Asian.

[Danimal Forth]

I think there were a few people on here who mentioned liking a Cuban girl at Bandaids. I hadn't seen her in quite a few weeks but Amanda was back this afternoon.

[Kujo69]

Centerfolds has closed their kitchen. I don't often eat at strip clubs, but Centerfolds was one of the rare exceptions, they always seemed to have a nice lunch deal. Poor decision IMO.

[Slacker30]

Sunday night about 12:30 hit Jaguars. Fairly busy if you go after midnight. Don't wait for a dancer to approach you. Flag her down on stage or as she walks by. Decent dancers and dances to be had. Other clubs dead on Sunday night. Not here.

Monday afternoon at Bandaids. Reaaaaaly slooow. About 10 dancers. 5 guys including myself in the main stage area. The one girl I have good dances with didn't see me till I was leaving. Oh well. Usually Sunday and Monday days ok here.

Went to Blue Moon next. The same guy who was sitting against the wall one table from me at Bandaids was here. About 5 customers as usual and 7-8 girls (about 5:00). The funny thing was these 5 guys were REALLY spending money. One guy was getting dances from girl after girl. Another was in the far corner for about 6-7 sets. One girl I wanted to try stayed busy. I have never seen every guy in the place getting so many dances.

Finally one cute black girl came over and I had 2 great sets with her.

My .02 cents for now.

[Higgs Boson]

Actually, at the Essex about a month ago.

Seeking assistance with all the research to be done, I enlisted the help of Newbie80. The original plan was to send the recon team to the Pink Rhino to follow up on my previous visit and update Newbie80's single visit to that club. We called an audible to change the location to Essex. I found out one of the hottest dancers I've known was going to be there. Besides, Newbie80 had never been to Essex before.

The team met at the bar. The place was crowded because one of the PPV boxing events was shown at the club and the dancers resumed their stage and floor activities. Newbie80 had his eye on a HWP latina with a nice bootie and was soon seated in one of the chairs for his up close and personal encounter. He rejoined me at the bar where we continued our conversation. Meanwhile, I recognized a particular dancer on the second stage whose smile lit up the room. A short while later this dancer was at my side with my arm curled around her waist. I introduced the dancer to Newbie80 but he didn't realize she was the purpose of this visit and became concerned that this interloper would distract me from meeting his perceived other dancer. A great time was had by all.

I asked Newbie80 if I could quote his review of Essex and here it is:

"I liked Essex, it was like Bandaids with nice chairs. ".

There you have it. You can hardly have greater praise for a strip club than that.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

A couple of weeks ago I decided to survey some West side clubs. I started with Roxy near the corner of 19th Avenue and Campbell. I paid my cover and walked in to find that the club was having a Day Glo party. Yes, the club decorations and party favors were all Day Glo. Most of the management, bar maids and dancers were painted in Day Glo. Nice enough. Dancers were roughly half latina, a quarter white and a quarter black. Got a very nice set of dances from one dancer. Drinks were about a dollar higher compared to other valley clubs.

Swung by Stilettos but the neighborhood had been hit hard by the last rain storm. The club was dark. In general, except on Fridays, the parking lot has been mostly empty.

Went over to Fox's. This club is in trouble. Day or night the parking lot is almost empty. This evening they had about three dancers and about 10 customers.

After Fox's it was time to visit Essex. I went through the front door to find another Day Glo party. The club decorations were in Day Glo and most of the dancers were painted in Day Glo. Had fun with one of my favorite dancers.

Higgs.

[DudleyBoys]

So I found out that I have a friend that strips at Hi-Liter she encouraged me to go visit the club. She told me the best times to come is early afternoon which I discovered when I walked in was true. Place was packed with hot strippers and lots of guys. My friend came up and told me about the strip club gave me hints on which girls to get dances from and which ones to stay away from. The girls there are great these one blond was super awesome can't remember her name but I took her to private and came back very satisfied. Also got a dance from a cute petite latina girl who was very aggressive with her dances, at one point she was chocking me. The only knock is the wait staff. They only cared about their friends or regular customers that left me having to walk over to the bar. Otherwise had a great time with only spending about $100.

[Peacekeeper]

Has anyone been to blue moon lately? I went in there last Wednesday afternoon and it was very bored. Please let me know by pm me if any of the new dancers give something extra in the 3 for 41 dances. Thanks.

[Slacker30]

Dropped by about 3 ish. Not super busy but most of the chairs along both walls were full and guys were getting dances.

The girls working were OUTSTANDING. Most had on nice outfits and shoes and were the best lineup I have ever seen there. Ran into my old friend whom I enjoyed multiple songs with.

Now I know some of you guys will drop by there upon your next opportunity and the girls won't be as glamorous. I know it just depends on who shows up that day, but for the most part one can't go wrong at this club.

[RZM1231]

Hello fellows this one is kinda late but a couple weeks ago maybe more, me and a friend were out on a Saturday night. My buddy is only 18 so we couldn't hit the places with booze, and one place turned us down because he wasn't up to dress code, can't remember which one, Anyhow, we happen to stop by the Alaskan Bush Co. Not as ghetto as I expected. Although the place does look a bit run down. We hit the nude side and I was surprised of how hot these dancers were. Nothing less than an 8 in my hotness rating scale. Lots of nice round booties and perky tops but only one set of double Ds. They all put on a good show on the stage and they all offer the house signature move, if you been here you'll know what I'm talking about. One thing that bother me was that in this place, the patron has to approach the girl if you want a lapdance. Not a single girl approach us even though we were consistently tipping the while on stage. I left my buddy on the nude side as I hoped over to the topless side to have one drink. The dancers I saw on this side were in my opinion much less hotter then on the nude side. Once I finished my drink I went back to the other side to meet my buddy he told me that still not a single dancer had approached him. He finally decided that he wanted to leave so we did. Total damage for me with drink and cover was 40, him was 60 since he tipped a lot more and had to pay 20 for cover. We grade over to give Taboo a try and found out that it didn't open until 11 pm, we had arrived 45 min before. So then we decided to head towards BM. Only 5 girls were on, 3 at 8 the other two were 6's on my scale. Got to chatting with a really cute blond, seen her before and she's super nice but no extras. My buddy saw a really cute Latina chick with a really nice booty and cute. He mentioned that she gave him a really good hands on dance. Well that was that adventure. After I dropped him of I went on to dream of a trip on 27 but I'll comment on that dream on the appropriate forum. Stay safe.

[TennisPlyr]

Which is the best strip club to go to on Sunday night? As far as drink specials and number of girls working.

[TennisPlyr]

How is le girls? How much are dances and is there a cover charge for a VIP dance? Thanks.

[NorthScotts2]

I've been there four or five times in the last six months. All was good as I had found a couple of girls that I connected with. Ones name was bunny. I usually like the skinnier more fit girls but she was thicker in a good way. Not sloppy and very sensual. She was the only girl I would go see. Time of day I found to be best was 3-4:30 pm because she was there and only a few customers. Also, we sat in a corner booth up in the higher are behind the stage and the contact was amazing. Let's just say I wasn't the only one turned on and there was evidence left behind she wasn't living when she told me she reached the top more than once. All good fun, typical. 10 per dance, songs a bit short.

The miss part is that when I went and saw other girls they were much more standoffish, pretentious and when I got a dance in the same spot, she said it was. 20 per dance. I didn't argue, gave her a twenty and was thankful her dance was nothing but air so I didn't get multiple from her. Another girl I liked, tall, thin, AA was very sweet, wanted to connect outside of work but I just didn't move forward on that. Something was telling me that it was going to be not what I was expecting. We text every now and then.

As always YMMV, be smart and patient picking your girl in any club and you should have fun. No experience in VIP at Le Girls. Usually I go to Highlighter and Centerfolds because I have relationships there, know what to expect and always walk away with feeling my money was well spent.

On a side note, met a girl named Riot at Centerfolds a couple of weeks back, gives great back rubs and sweet but not too sweet! Always love chatting it up with her.


How is le girls? How much are dances and is there a cover charge for a VIP dance? Thanks.

[Newbie80]

Which is the best strip club to go to on Sunday night? As far as drink specials and number of girls working.Jaguars is the best for a Sunday night IF you like being in crowded places. That place is just packing on a Sunday night / Monday morning (they close at 3 am) and they have a $1 dollar you call it's from 9 pm to 11:59 pm.

[Mr Pokerear]

I am looking for mostly white strip club with extras in a safe area. You can PM me. Thank you!

MPR.

[Danimal Forth]

I am looking for mostly white strip club with extras in a safe area.I thought I posted the other day but something apparently went wrong.

I don't go to the Scottsdale clubs much but I did visit last week. It was nearly all white girls but I'm pretty unsure about extras even though I've never been in VIP. I didn't stay long but only one girl approached me at the bar.

The girl I met was named Iris. She's a pretty good dancer on the pole and mentioned coming from another state where she had danced nude. I met her on her first day out here and she was getting used to all the new rules like how they have to cover their nipples and can't walk around naked. She seemed like fun.

There's another new white girl at Bandaids named Princess. She has returned after a couple years off. Not sure if anybody here would remember her or care that she's back.

Probably not what you were looking for.

[Pussy Prowler]

It seems like after doing research on this board an other's that only the Hi Liter and blue moon serve up extra's consistently? Thanks.

[Heel Lover]

Been about 3 or 4 years since I've visited. Used to love this club when I would get done from work around 2-3 and come here after, stay a bit and then still be home before rush hour. Now having a new job with later hours prevents that (get done at rush hour).

But I digress as I had a very short day last Wednesday due to needing to use some vacation. Ended up at Christie's Washington at opening time. It was actually 11:05 and door was locked. They opened up as I was walking back to my car and said they were open and just forgot to unlock the door. Originally was going to leave when I saw only about 8 total cars in the parking lot, but I learned in Cub Scouts about 25 years ago to "BE BRAVE" or something like following through with plans.

I had a free entry coupon from the sports section and so definitely remember to "be prepared". On a side note, I am so glad Scouts taught me so much and that I paid attention and could apply the mottos when it really mattered, like last week.

Anyway got there and lady taking the coupon was of course super hot and model material. Joked with her about a first time for everything since I was the first customer and I've never done that before (I've been going to strip clubs for probably 18-19 years or so).

Little bit of a weird feeling being the only customer and was a little concerned, that it would feel awkard if the first dancer of the day wasn't my type or no connection type of thing. Then a MILFY blonde goddess (almost a mixture of blonde / brunette not the bleached blonde) came out flashed me a. Smile and I could feel at ease once again. I had to order my drink ($5 soda as it were). Tipped the lovely women on stage and. Called it a day. Just kidding. Tipped her and she had a silky smooth voice and by then was topless and WOW. She had an amazing body and gorgeous face so I was definitely happy it was not a wasted trip. When she was done she did go back up the stairs and talked to the DJ a bit, so I waited patiently or maybe impatiently and then she came down the stairs to talk to me.

Her name was Swallow (like the bird right, although luckily I didn't say that) or Julia "whichever one is easier to remember". And we talked, yes talked for a couple of songs probably. She was the most laid back lady ever. We talked about other clubs, Thanksgiving, traffic during times of the day (ok that was me), friends, football and then whether or not I wanted a dance. I said yes of course (tried to act like I wasn't sold right away you know by drooling or the like). She gave two of the most sensual and sexy dances I've ever had. We then talked for about a song more. One of the things that I really liked was that after the dances, their were other customers by then, she was like I couldn't give you a proper hug while sitting down so stand up and give me a proper hug and we'll talk a bit more. That was really cool. Again there were a few other customers by then and I think she was the only dancer on the floor (they did another one on stage by then).

Although I do highly recommend her, I and others know that finding the same girl here is probably difficult. I think she might usually work nights (Saturdays) and might have only been working that day shift since it was the day before Thanksgiving. We did also have a laugh about the me being the first customer in the door which has never happened and she had never been the first dancer. Maybe that made it a funny situation for both of us and I was just very "thankful" that she was so cool (of course beautiful too, but I need a great personality in these places since I've definitely seen the other side in my day).

Also I no for other's YEHV (your exp has varied), but this was just a great experience that I wanted to post it here.

Happy December to everyone. Be safe, spend safe, but have fun!

Cheers.

[DavePHX]

Dream Palace Strip $25,000 charge results in felony indictment.

Customer claimed credit card stolen and he didn't make the charges.

However, Dream Palace security video and fingerprints from receipt showed it was him getting the "adult entertainment. ".

Customer indicted for fraudulent schemes, theft, and false reporting to police the theft.

Customer filed motion to remand indictment for new determination of probable cause. Remand was denied and Customer appealed by special action to the Arizona Court of Appeals.

Customer claimed the detective gave false testimony to the Grand Jury when he said the purchases were for alcohol and entertainment. Dream Palace does not have a liquor license and management denies it serves alcohol to patrons. Only "drinks. ".

Customer claimed the detective gave false testimony to the Grand Jury when he said the American Express Card had a credit limit of $25,000 when it was $5000 and the issue in the charge back was only $4,325.01.

State showed there were two credit cards used one in customers name and another in his mother's name. The combined charges exceeded $25,000.

12/2/2014 - Appeals Court denied appeal as the "alcohol and entertainment", vs "drinks and entertainment" was harmless error. No. 1 CA-SA 14-0205.

[NorthScotts2]

Thought I'd stop by to pass some time last night. I'm typically a day visitor so I wasn't sure what I was going to get in terms of service or selection but since they don't charge a cover until 8 pm I figured it was worth a shot. In the past I've had some nice visits with Riot and China so that was going to be my comparison. The place wasn't dead but not packed either which is. Ice. I was able to get a chair up against the wall because this damned chairs always move backward when you don't want them too. The first girl that came up to me was very sweet, not pushy and very complimentary. Kind of threw me off so when she wanted to sit on my lap I said why not. Sorry but I can't remember her name for the life of me because I was too busy staring at a her really nice ass. If you've ever seen a girl who is thin, dark hair, and multiple butterfly tattoos on her back, she is the one. Got a couple of very nice dances from her before her shift ended. I would certainly see her again and maybe even entertain VIPS if someone else can share their experiences with her.

The second girl was simply gorgeous. A few other girls came up to me and I said I was waiting for someone. I had to have a dance with her. She finally came over to me. We all have our own tastes and this girl was exactly mine. Very pretty, thin but not too thin and smelled nice. Her name was Cally. Got a few dances from her and then a few more. She asked about going to VIP but I'm very cautious about spending my hard earned cash and then being disappointed. If anyone cares to share anything about her in the VIP, I would be very appreciative. I am very tempted to take her back to the VIP but too many times I've been disappointed. Thanks in advance.

[Deboinair]

I'm finally moving from Miami to Phoenix this month. I have maybe a strange question. Do they have any strip clubs in Phoenix with a sports bar section? I know weird, but Tootsies in Miami has that. Also has have price drinks on premium liquor from 12 pm to 8 pm. I'm not expecting Phoenix to have everything like that. I was just wondering if there any clubs that maybe similar at all. Thanks in advance.

[Oakly]

It has been a long, long time since I was in the Phoenix. I'm going to be passing through in January and was thinking of checking out some of my old watering holes. Does anyone know if the Fox Den still exists? It was the closest one to my apartment so I used to hang around there as a poor graduate student.

[Kujo69]

It has been a long, long time since I was in the Phoenix. I'm going to be passing through in January and was thinking of checking out some of my old watering holes. Does anyone know if the Fox Den still exists? It was the closest one to my apartment so I used to hang around there as a poor graduate student.Fox Den is now called Skin Cabaret, it's still open, and honestly much improved from the Fox Den.

[JWoo9]

I'm finally moving from Miami to Phoenix this month. I have maybe a strange question. Do they have any strip clubs in Phoenix with a sports bar section? I know weird, but Tootsies in Miami has that. Also has have price drinks on premium liquor from 12 pm to 8 pm. I'm not expecting Phoenix to have everything like that. I was just wondering if there any clubs that maybe similar at all. Thanks in advance.Hi-Liter has 5 or 6 TV screens around the club with sports on them also has 1/2 off drinks til 7 pm everyday or something like that. You can check the menu at each table to confirm.

I haven't hit many other places to say that this is all that there is.

[Bigtim47]

I'm finally moving from Miami to Phoenix this month. I have maybe a strange question. Do they have any strip clubs in Phoenix with a sports bar section? I know weird, but Tootsies in Miami has that. Also has have price drinks on premium liquor from 12 pm to 8 pm. I'm not expecting Phoenix to have everything like that. I was just wondering if there any clubs that maybe similar at all. Thanks in advance.Welcome to the valley of the sun! My favorite club, BourbonStreet has at least three tv's with sports games going on. No cover til 5, and 2 for 1 drinks til 7 PM. Plus the most lovely dancers of any club in the valley. However, I realize that for whatever reason, this club is not favored by many of the mongers on this site. Give it a try and report back.

[Deboinair]

Hi-Liter has 5 or 6 TV screens around the club with sports on them also has 1/2 off drinks til 7 pm everyday or something like that. You can check the menu at each table to confirm.

I haven't hit many other places to say that this is all that there is.Thanks. I've been to hi liter before. I Like the girls there.

[TylerPerelli]

Having cut back on the mongering, I still made it to HiLighter and Blue Moon for some good times.

Recently, I found a winner with the Candy Store. One particular dancer and I have great chemistry. She provided what I was looking for and more. Have seen her a couple times. Recently, another hottie caught my interest. On the floor she indicated she would stop short of what I desired in VIP. Took her back anyway, and she shocked both of us by doing more than she ever had done in a VIP dance. Honestly, I think she was more excited than I. And I was quite pleased.

It never hurts to respectfully ask, or let things progress and happen as they may.

Strip club encounters are my preference these days. I swore off street walkers long ago, and the escort scene has dwindled.

There is escort type quality action to be had in the strip clubs and for take out if one is persistent.

Happy hunting!

[DavePHX]

Centerfolds late night Tues Dec 23,2014.

Looks like haven't been to any club since August.

Was not very busy (could park in front lot) but a good balance of customers and dancers.

Took my usual position at the bar facing out kind of open position. No pressure to buy drinks which I like vs a few clubs. If I have to get a drink like long ago at Bandaid's (No long will go to) would get water or diet Pepsi / coke.

Not too long Daisy dashed over. VERY talkative. My usual problem of what to say after hello was not an issue. She gave me most of her life story, including how going to get tattoo off hand and family stuff. I could not fully understand in the noise (called music by some) but got the gist of it. Pretty face and smile with red thin bra for tams season. Talked about being naughty not nice and I agreed to the VIP. It was more interest in nice but she had the nice body and face. I think she was a bit influenced by perhaps a bit too much to drink! Since I don't drink or go to normal bars I can't easily tell.

SInce my favorite activity (nice breast massage but grabbing and groping) is questionable on the floor decided on the VIP.

After the $20 night fee to the DJ guy she whisked me over to the opposite VIP with less cameras and more private, she said.

She wanted to be sure the well worn coach didn't have any old gum on it (nice) and we were alone. We seemed to have a nice connection that I seek, however she was a bit too aggressive for me, it seemed needy and a bit drunk? She would probably be great with oral since she really had a deep sucking action on my finger in my mouth and wanted to do more, but "more" really isn't my interest at a strip club or to pay more than the $20/ dance fees. Did 2 dances and hard to get her to stop but may have been she just wanted to stay longer not dancers was not sure. She said she really enjoyed my touch and breast massage, and very long nice sincere hug at the end. She offered me her phone and wanted to meet outside. The good connection part said yes, but I declined based on too aggressive, thought needy and perhaps a bit drunk! In some ways I liked her on a personal connection level. BTW, perfect soft natural breasts not too huge that Dave likes the best.

Long period of pure boredom.

Since I had my bright yellow band for the VIP hated to just use it on one dancer. But as typical here old Dave ignored by most dancers. Dancers were mostly quite busy however, it seemed either they sought the younger studs or they were known customers. I had been eying a long time a black dancer who I may have seen in the past. Breasts were too large for my ideal but still would dance with. She mostly sat with a black guy a few stools from me.

After she was on stage disappeared for awhile but then walked past me onto other younger guys (of course everyone was younger are then Old Dave! Being very board and about to leave now about 1:30 AM (came about 12:15) she nicely approached me after perhaps running out of young guys.

Tiffany. Went to VIP but just did one song. Really no connection or intimacy.

Fortunately I had a much better experience the next night. Dec 24th at Hi-Liter even with the police SUV out front. Next report.

[DavePHX]

Hi-Liter Dec 24,2014 late night arrive about midnight (12/25).

Gee looks like I haven't been to any club since August.

Decades ago. In better times for strip clubs before the 1999 law changes, I often went to clubs on Christmas eve since usually it was the dancers without families that choose to work and some of us non-family customers. I knew a lot of dancers back then and had many that knew and enjoyed my type of intimacy.

Wasn't sure would be open Christmas eve but it was but not very many customers but nice excess of dancers. Noted the Police SUV parked in the handicapped area in front. Asked the doorman who said they had some disturbance in the either street or parking lot awhile ago but nothing inside or related to the club. Hopefully no news story tomorrow about a shooting outside the club!

As usual lots of attractive dancers. Noted one guy on the wall getting really my type of cuddling, caressing dance I like and often see and get here, although it can be spotty at times for my type of "connection" more than just bouncing butts in your face or a GYN exam.

Soon "E-lita?" tiny gal from Thailand asks to sit in my lap (of course vs. Standing asking want to dance that turns me off). Pretty face (when I got her to smile), but seemed kind of tired. Joked I should have brought some Baht that I have from long ago trip to Thailand (Pattaya, BKK- Nina Plaza, Soi's, etc. Great sensuality). I don't think she got it and low voice was a Thail accent was for old Dave hard to understand with all the noise (music) in the background, but didn't talk much.

Did very nice 2 $10 dances and she warmed up to my touch, nice body, tiny breasts, but I'd rather have them too small and natural than big DDD's! Nice smile at the end and a warm hug and my type of more intimacy dance vs just sexual.

Almost as fast as I could try and write name in my notebook (tiny) or I will never remember names, " comes over. We seem to immediately have a "connection", very sharp, creative approach (wear flashing lights on bikini bottoms but won't electrocute me. I immediately sense her great personality, and she introduces herself with her real name she only wants to give to those she feels comfortable with (never did get her dancer name). Very personable in lap obviously we both enjoyed the same kind of sensuality intimacy that is more than just getting sexually aroused. Great body and breast just right about see naturals.

Name isn't that important since she only occasionally dances. Mostly prefers nonweekend eves when don't have the mass crowds.

One of my best experiences in a long time- perfect combination of maturity (age 38 but doesn't look it), sensuality and personality.

I almost never do more than 3 dances but did 4 with her. She offered her phone to check when she was working but also e-mal address. From the address, I wondered if we had some common friends. Wow, we sure did and she sat topless in my arms for many more off the clock dances talking about all sorts of common interests, people we know, and she was involved back in the 1999 mess with clubs.

After this great time, it was just after 1 AM and if I recall they have to for some unknown reason not be topless after 1 AM? I have never understood why only this club had that rule as other clubs of the same owner do not.

There were other very attractive dancers, but I was very satisfied. After the 1st song, she had to go on stage (didn't catch announced stage name) but she wanted to return and left her purse and bra on the table. Looked like 3 dancers were about to approach me when they say her stuff as a signal she was not done with me yet!

After returning home I looked up my records (I have strip club record going back to mid-90's of who I met and notes. Sure enough, there she was with her same "real" name noted on 4/15/2013 we met in the eve, and I had same great time with her dances, just not the long discussion afterward!

She was a 5+ on my intimacy scale then (0-5 scale with 5 rare and almost never a 5+) as I would "rate" her tonight.

Hint if anyone recognizes her, from prior notes she also travels with a band. In fact "Higgs" who I've often gone to clubs with, and another nice guy we knew came to one of her local performances at a bar not too far from me per my April 2013 notes. At least I think its the same person cause I noted same "real" name she gave me then.

Too bad she doesn't for us guys that she is ideal for, work at Hi-Liter more often. I, hopefully, have her e-mail right, occasionally and she will let me know next time she "appears".

The police SUV was gone when I left!!

[Jimmyfck2003]

Hi guys. I have read the forum, but I am looking for a little specific information. I will be visiting AZ in a couple of weeks. I will be staying in the Scottsdale area. I am looking for a place that has lots of black or Asian dancers. I am specifically looking for a place where extras can be had in the club or where takeout is readily available. If you don't want to answer on the thread please PM me. I will gladly share information with anyone traveling to CT.

[WineX]

Does anyone know if she is still dancing at the HiLiter? I haven't seen her in a while.

[Danimal Forth]

Does anyone know if she is still dancing at the HiLiter? I haven't seen her in a while.I didn't ever know Mustang but I'm pretty sure I remember somebody posting about her departure. I'm thinking it was more than a year ago.

[Danimal Forth]

Hi guys. I have read the forum, but I am looking for a little specific information. I will be visiting AZ in a couple of weeks. I will be staying in the Scottsdale area. I am looking for a place that has lots of black or Asian dancers. I am specifically looking for a place where extras can be had in the club or where takeout is readily available. If you don't want to answer on the thread please PM me. I will gladly share information with anyone traveling to CT.I can't remember many black girls at the Scottsdale clubs but I don't really hit them much either. I'd say that Bandaids used to have more black girls than it does now but it still has quite a few. On the night of Thanksgiving I remember a lot of them. Good luck with Asians anywhere.

[WineX]

I didn't ever know Mustang but I'm pretty sure I remember somebody posting about her departure. I'm thinking it was more than a year ago.If she has left, it couldn't be more than a year, because I have seen her there within the past year. I do remember seeing someone mention her here around 6 months or so ago saying that she was preparing for life as a dancer. But she was still at the HiLiter, just working less ours.

But thanks anyway.

[Jimmyfck2003]

I can't remember many black girls at the Scottsdale clubs but I don't really hit them much either. I'd say that Bandaids used to have more black girls than it does now but it still has quite a few. On the night of Thanksgiving I remember a lot of them. Good luck with Asians anywhere.Thanks for the info. Anyone know if there is take out available at any of the Scottsdale clubs. Actually I will have a car so any info on extras in club or clubs where there is greatest possibility of take out would be appreciated.

[Mtnboy49]

Does anyone know if she is still dancing at the HiLiter? I haven't seen her in a while.My ATF for sure. At Christies Mustang always gave the most sensual dances. She would sit and talk for minimum 4 songs then we'd get around to the LD and she would keep me on the edge of ecstasy for 4 to 5 songs. Then aftwerward sit in the afterglow. Wow.

Last I heard she was at HiLiter, Centerfold and Sugar44 on different days. I am going to be back in PHX soon and would love to reconnect with her.

[Higgs Boson]

You might recall that Stilettos was bought by the Spearmint Rhino group and there has been talk among the dancers there of a forthcoming remodeling. I recently noticed some contractor trucks outside the building and saw a working painting the exterior trim. Judging from an ad in the most recent New Times the place is now called "Dirty's Topless Bar".

Higgs.

(been very busy and way behind on filing reports).

[Arizona Junkie]

My ATF for sure. At Christies Mustang always gave the most sensual dances. She would sit and talk for minimum 4 songs then we'd get around to the LD and she would keep me on the edge of ecstasy for 4 to 5 songs. Then aftwerward sit in the afterglow. Wow.

Last I heard she was at HiLiter, Centerfold and Sugar44 on different days. I am going to be back in PHX soon and would love to reconnect with her.Yeah, she was down to one or two days a week, rotating among those clubs. I heard or read somewhere that she was back at Christies but I find that hard to believe unless there has been a complete turnover in management. When she left there, something like 19 dancers left with her, so I doubt she was very popular with the old management. She was working on opening a motorcycle shop, so maybe that's displaced her stage and lap time. I have her number, and will text her soon to ask if she's still working at any clubs. Will report back if I find out. She is definitely on my favorite list too!

[NorthScotts2]

Jimmy,

I'm always on the hunt for Asian dancers as well. Hi Liter has been my best bet. If you go during the day, you will find anywhere from 1-3 and there are a couple that are really nice and good dancers. During one of my visits a few months back there were 4 at one time. Since then, maybe 1-2 on average during the day. Bliss in the North Valley on DeerValley road has one or two and Bandaids may have 1-2 but that has been a while.


Hi guys. I have read the forum, but I am looking for a little specific information. I will be visiting AZ in a couple of weeks. I will be staying in the Scottsdale area. I am looking for a place that has lots of black or Asian dancers. I am specifically looking for a place where extras can be had in the club or where takeout is readily available. If you don't want to answer on the thread please PM me. I will gladly share information with anyone traveling to CT.

[Deboinair]

Hi guys. I have read the forum, but I am looking for a little specific information. I will be visiting AZ in a couple of weeks. I will be staying in the Scottsdale area. I am looking for a place that has lots of black or Asian dancers. I am specifically looking for a place where extras can be had in the club or where takeout is readily available. If you don't want to answer on the thread please PM me. I will gladly share information with anyone traveling to CT.I just got here and Hi liter is the only place that I saw Asians. There were three of them last Sunday night when I went. I got dances with all of them. One was from Vegas and said she was moving out this way.

[ElSenorLove]

What are your thoughts, opinions, or experiences in terms of going to a Strip Club on a UFC PPV event night?

Also, is one club better than the next for watching the event?

I know, I know. I should be watching the ladies! .

Thanks!

ESL.

[Kujo69]

What are your thoughts, opinions, or experiences in terms of going to a Strip Club on a UFC PPV event night?

Also, is one club better than the next for watching the event?

I know, I know. I should be watching the ladies! .

Thanks!

ESL.I've been to the Hi-Liter for several big fights. There seemed to be lots of people in just for the fights, I'm not sure if the girls liked that or not. I'm not sure which other clubs have UFC on.

[Higgs Boson]

I have also noted asian dancers during the day at the Hi Liter. I can rarely visit clubs during the day but about 3 months ago dropped in the Hi Liter on a Saturday afternoon. There were at least three asian dancers at the club that day. Asian dancers are / were rare at night in the club with an occasional exception when a dancer decided she needed the extra money or when family commitments permitted.

You might run into light complexioned black dancers in any of the Valley clubs. If you're interested in medium to dark complexioned dancers, then you should consider Bandaids, Essex, Chicas and the Pink Rhino. IMHO Centerfolds would be number 5. Bandaids and Chicas are worth visits in the afternoon or at night.

I should note that dancers are independent contractors but typically need approval of management to work in a club. Therefore, though dancers can decide where they work based on expected income, comfort with clientele and management, etc. , but management has the veto. There is typically an audition. You won't find thick black dancers at Hi Liter or dark complexioned ethnic dancers of any body type at Bourbon Street. Dancers know club profiles and management reputations and can decide to move week from week, or even day to day, between clubs that accept them. A dancer you like may be at Essex on Friday night but Bandaids on Saturday night. Comments follow below based on my mostly Saturday night experiences.

Chicas. If you like thick black dancers (I don't mean fat), there are 2-3 dancers in that category here consistently, and the mix on a typical night may include a couple HWP black dancers, a skinny one and one close to obese. Previously, this club was normally 90 to 95 % black dancers but the re-launch made the club more friendly to latinos. Hence, you'll hear Banda music about every 3 or 4 songs. It has also changed the dancer mix, so you might find anywhere from 20% to 80% latina. Once you step away from the bar, the lighting at Chicas is, well, almost non-existent. It can be so dark, it's very difficult to see the face of the dancer you're talking with. That includes the main stage. If you have basic hygiene, just take a place at the bar and it's almost certain you'll be approached by dancers in short order unless you look like a serial killer or homeless person. If the wait at the bar fails, just tip the dancer you're interested in when she's onstage and make eye contact She'll hunt you down unless she's already with a customer. The dancers here take regular breaks outside, so be alert to the parade of women in street clothes walking past the bar and smile. Though club security hangs around outside by the door, you don't want to be falling down drunk and vulnerable by any club, but especially not in this neighborhood. I should say that, though I'm not the usual demographic for the area, I've never felt unwelcomed or threatened by staff, customers or dancers at Chicas. Many of the dancers don't like jerks, just like at any club.

At Bandaids, my "neighborhood bar with benefits", there are usually 3 to 6 black dancers at night and I usually find them to be gorgeous and friendly. Sometimes it seems that dancers here experience a level of rejection burn-out and may give up on approaching customers. Eye contact with a smile and tipping them on stage, are two ways to get their attention. Heck, I found that giving them a nice smile while they're on stage works wonders. Though I'm not writing as much about Bandaids as the other clubs, it's my favorite and the one I've visited most often.

Essex on Saturday seems to come alive after 9 PM. Thought the dancer mix varies, it seems to be usually 1/8 white and the rest split 50/50 between black and latina. Most of the dancers here are HWP and I don't remember ever seeing an obese dancer, wait, there was one latina dancer who was carrying a lot extra. In dancer personalities and appearance, this club has had a lot of variety for me, though YMMV. This club has given me my most memorable semi-psycho b*tch, but also a beautiful and near GFE dancer who has probably since become someone's Sugar Baby. Unfortunately it's not me. Also, a near closing-time dance with another elicited a comment from security staff that it "looked like you were having sex". Oh my, it was so close to that and so GFE. She's moved on to another club.

Pink Rhino. These place is really a night club. Guys bring dates, women show up in pairs, and mixed groups gather at tables and around the stages. Almost nothing happens on Saturday night until about 11 PM but it also about the highest percentage of black dancers of all the clubs. Things are different here. The dancers earn most of the income from the stage dances rather than from lap dances, and those dancers that play to the crowd around the stages do best. If you catch their eye, some of the dancers may ask if you want a lap dance but the only available places may be in VIP area at $20/ dance. Your personal "demographic" category may play into the experience. I was ignored by a beautiful dancer after a generous on-stage tip, yet some of the partying female customers decided I should be supplying them drinks. I'm a good sport but had to turn down the suggestion on the Gray Goose.

Centerfolds. Historically the dancer ethnic mix at this club this club is about 90% white with the remainder being latina and maybe one black dancer. A heads-up from another contributor here (thank you, you know who you are) made me show up on a Saturday afternoon a few months ago. OK, there wasn't a radical change in the ethnic mix but there were a couple of interesting new black dancers. From my observations, black dancers don't stay here for a long time. The daytime Centerfold dancers I talked to last time seemed content but some former evening Centerfold dancers didn't feel comfortable here. This might be a day versus night management difference.

Extras. Yes, they're out there but I'm reluctant to talk about specific dancers or clubs in a public forum due to the local political environment (Hi, Sheriff Joe and friends). I believe that what consenting adults do in sexual activities is private and the government should not be involved. Unfortunately, that's not the current situation. As for offers, most of mine has been for outside club meetings, but there have been some unexpected and spontaneous in club activities. Depending on the dancer, junior may receive the special greeting in almost any club.

Higgs.

[NorthScotts2]

Debonair, just wonder if you got the name of the one moving here from Vegas?


I just got here and Hi liter is the only place that I saw Asians. There were three of them last Sunday night when I went. I got dances with all of them. One was from Vegas and said she was moving out this way.

[Deboinair]

Debonair, just wonder if you got the name of the one moving here from Vegas?No. I don't remember her dancing name. It appears she works every Sunday night as I was there again last night. She is very slim and has a strong Thai accent. I got her number last week but no reply after a few texts and even a call. So I didn't not speak to her again last night.

[Deboinair]

I have also noted asian dancers during the day at the Hi Liter.

Higgs.Lots have changed in three months I guess. I went last Saturday afternoon and no Asians during the day. I'm still on the hunt for the best daytime strip joints. I'm not a fan of the night time, but after last Sunday. I had to see the Asians. LOL I went to Hi liter last night. Got a dance from a Filipina / Mexi mix. She was just ok though.

[Deboinair]

So I check out Band aids last Sunday for my last Niner game. Definitely a hole in a wall type club with below average looking talent, but the beautiful part there is always one or two good looking one. Went last night and met a Mexican dancer named Blessed. Very hood and looks like she would get down and dirty. Too much of a hustler, not satisfied with two VIP dances, pushed for more. Asked me to buy her water and after the dancing. I was like you would get so much more if you didn't do the hustle game. She is what a call one of those nickel and dime hoes. LOL I could imagine if you did OTC the amount of upselling she would do.

Overall I don't mind Band aids at all. The drink prices are reasonable and there is a few talented girls there. Seems like they have more mixes there. There was a mixed blk / white waitress. But turns out she dances too.

[NorthScotts2]

I went two days ago and didn't see the usual 2-3 Asians I normally do. From talking to them in the past I'm guessing that because of the holidays, they are with family, etc. I'm betting they will be back to the normal schedule in a few weeks. I hope so at least. My last visit there was my least favorite. Most of the girls just didn't seem to be as friendly as normal. The one interesting thing I noticed was that all of the girls I wanted dances from were only roaming the customers sitting along the wall. It was like they really wanted that extra money per song. Maybe guys weren't spending as much due to holiday spending so no one was happy.


Lots have changed in three months I guess. I went last Saturday afternoon and no Asians during the day. I'm still on the hunt for the best daytime strip joints. I'm not a fan of the night time, but after last Sunday. I had to see the Asians. LOL I went to Hi liter last night. Got a dance from a Filipina / Mexi mix. She was just ok though.

[Deboinair]

I went two days ago and didn't see the usual 2-3 Asians I normally do. From talking to them in the past I'm guessing that because of the holidays, they are with family, etc. I'm betting they will be back to the normal schedule in a few weeks. I hope so at least. My last visit there was my least favorite. Most of the girls just didn't seem to be as friendly as normal. The one interesting thing I noticed was that all of the girls I wanted dances from were only roaming the customers sitting along the wall. It was like they really wanted that extra money per song. Maybe guys weren't spending as much due to holiday spending so no one was happy.This is good. A lot of people say there isn't a lot of Asians here, but even outside the clubs I spot more than I ever saw in Miami. The Hi liter was better when I went back in 2009. Now it seems very business like. The first thing out of the girls mouth is do you want a dance. I don't like that. The Asians didn't do it, that's why I gave them a dance.

[NorthScotts2]

On my way to meetings and thought I'd stop by centerfolds. Not really too much that caught my eye, maybe 1-2 nice looking, thin white girls, one AA girl with a great body but didn't get an up close look. The three girls I wanted to talk to just sat at the bar and didn't really make the rounds. There was one girl, decent face but amazing body and tanned skin. Had to leave before I could get a dance.

After the meeting, I thought I'd stop by and check out the old stilleto's. The outside is the same, even the sign still says Stilleto's. The inside was a nice remodel compared to the previous decor. New furniture, revamped the bar, and put booths in the back. No more of the old couches along the wall, they have been replaced with new ones, much nicer. $10 dances on the couches and $20 back in the booths. Very disappointing talent. 3 girls total, 2 AA, 1 white. There were only 2 customers there and the one girl I wanted a dance from was already busy so I got a dance from, I think her name was Jasmine, can't really remember. I only did it because I felt bad for her and to be honest, I wish I had my $10 back. Took off after 30 minutes. Mind you, it was a Tuesday night at 6:30 so I'll have to try a different time before I make up my mind.

On another note, as I was driving down 35th Ave, I passed fox's and it was closed. Not sure if they are normally closed on Tuesday nights.

[Deboinair]

I'm a daytime guy still looking for the best daytime spot in the Phoenix area. I think I found it. At least on Tuesday. Ha ha. Jaguars looks quite nice on the inside. You can grab a beer on the way in. On Tuesdays, they have $5 dances and cheap drinks. I got there around 3 and only a few girls, but they had a couple of cuties. I ended up only getting a dance from Mexican petite spinner named Mesmerize. Only her second day working and I could tell. She was very sweet and gave pretty good dances. There was a few other girls they that looked good but were occupied. I would definitely come back to this spot.

At around 6 pm I went to the Great Alaskan. $10 cover charge No women in the completely nude area. About four dancers in the topless side and ALL WERE HORRIBLE. I will never go back to this club again. I got that "corporate feel" also. Like you could get kicked out for just spilling your beer. LOL The setup is really cheap and lousy also.

[RZM1231]

Hello fellows, I had a very sweet dream on Thursday afternoon. In this particular dream I was driving back from an errand and happen upon the BM. Saw the sign outside and it read 8 dancers, it was around 1 pm. Had some time to kill so I said why not. I've never been here this early so I wasn't expecting much. I saw 4 dancers total, a cute petite ebony girl, I think she said Idol was her name, nice tight booty, a pair of Bs, cute face, but a bit of baby damage. Also a tall thick, but really sexy thick blond, nice pair of natural Ds, a nice big booty, Clover I thing. Another tall blond nice curbs but abit older. Then I sat with Dulce, love this girl. She always delivers, and we always have a nice chat. If you're nice to her she'll treat you well. I don't want to detail my dream too much so that I don't her in trouble but she usually makes me very happy, and today she made me really really happy. So happy that I took a stack of greens that I had in my pocket and just gave it to her without even counting it as a tip after she danced. I might have to start coming here in the earlier times from now on. Also one of the other girls mentioned to me that at nights some of the seats for dances have a minimum of 3 dances each. I have been comming to this place for years and I have never heard that. Anyhow all in all this was a very sweet dream. I'll try to make another run on the weekend and see how it goes. Until then sweet dreams fellow.

[Higgs Boson]

Passed by Locas today, on McDowell just West of 35th Ave, to see a new sign "Blue Moon West" with a smaller temporary sign saying "coming in February".

To be nude? Topless? It didn't say.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

At around 6 pm I went to the Great Alaskan. $10 cover charge No women in the completely nude area. About four dancers in the topless side and ALL WERE HORRIBLE. I will never go back to this club again. I got that "corporate feel" also. Like you could get kicked out for just spilling your beer. LOL The setup is really cheap and lousy also.Some people might say Bandaids is a dump but I liken it to a neighborhood bar with benefits. I always feel comfortable there. Then there's ABC. It IS a dump and I've never felt comfortable here. Granted, I've only had 3 or 4 visits but each time I kick myself for checking to see if it's improved. On the one visit that had potential, I had a brunette spinner cutie giving me a decent dance but the little security guy was constantly checking the location of my hands ("No touching!) On subsequent visits the dancers looked like refugees from a trailer park or meth lab groupies.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

Thank you NorthScotts2 for the update on Dirty's Topless Bar (formerly Stilettos, formerly Teasers) I noticed the big sign over the club has been replaced. Despite the name, it might be worthwhile checking it out in the coming weeks. The club has had some dynamite dancers in the past. Speaking of the name, is this an effort to position the club at the opposite end of the spectrum from places like Christie's and the Hi Liter? If I wanted to clearly label a club as being completely devoid of class, what would I called it. I know! I'll call it Dirty's!

Chicas is doing an interior remodeling and exterior painting in anticipation of the Super Bowl. It seem that the club had some celebrity atheletes visit during the last Valley Super Bowl and, of course, the club was rather scruffy at that time. The current management is redoing some of the furniture, lighting, and maybe more. I may stop by this weekend to check it out.

As noted by someone else (NorthScotts2 ? It appears that Fox's has closed.

Higgs.

[NorthScotts2]

I'm not exactly sure why they chose that name because it is much nicer inside now than it was before. I guess you could say less seedy! Seems that maybe there is some subliminal messaging going on! I have had some good experiences there in the past as well but it was always hit and miss for me. I always find it rather amusing when I'm there for 30 minutes and leave. When walking past the doorman you can see the look on his face like "I don't blame you for leaving". On a side note, I've always found the doorman there to be pretty nice.

And just to clarify, I'm not sure if fox's were closed down or just closed for the night. The gates were closed and lights out! Had some good times at that place too. If you've been there, you may have noticed the bartender, a bit older but fit as hell. Gave great dances. Wouldn't you know it, I was at centerfold and guess who walked in, it was her. Maybe that's a sign fox's closed or business was just really bad. She bartended at fox's when I first started going there but if they needed dancers, she jumped up on stage.

Finally, Stopped by Hiliter Sunday night. Wasn't sure what to expect but it was rather full. If you go there for the Asian dancers, get there before 5 or 6, that's when they usually end their shifts. There were two remaining when I arrived, the other two were dressed and walking out. Got a dance from one and it was very nice. I was actually waiting for the other one but she was beat to the punch. Oh well, I had a great time regardless and may have a new personal favorite!


Thank you NorthScotts2 for the update on Dirty's Topless Bar (formerly Stilettos, formerly Teasers) I noticed the big sign over the club has been replaced. Despite the name, it might be worthwhile checking it out in the coming weeks. The club has had some dynamite dancers in the past. Speaking of the name, is this an effort to position the club at the opposite end of the spectrum from places like Christie's and the Hi Liter? If I wanted to clearly label a club as being completely devoid of class, what would I called it. I know! I'll call it Dirty's!

Chicas is doing an interior remodeling and exterior painting in anticipation of the Super Bowl. It seem that the club had some celebrity atheletes visit during the last Valley Super Bowl and, of course, the club was rather scruffy at that time. The current management is redoing some of the furniture, lighting, and maybe more. I may stop by this weekend to check it out.

As noted by someone else (NorthScotts2 ? It appears that Fox's has closed.

Higgs.

[Slacker30]

Chicas is doing an interior remodeling and exterior painting in anticipation of the Super Bowl. It seem that the club had some celebrity atheletes visit during the last Valley Super Bowl and, of course, the club was rather scruffy at that time. The current management is redoing some of the furniture, lighting, and maybe more. I may stop by this weekend to check it out.

As noted by someone else (NorthScotts2 ? It appears that Fox's has closed.

Higgs.Fox's is closed. Drove by twice recently. They were trying to bank on the urban late night crowd but it just did not pan out. It would be amazing how many of these clubs would come to life if every average person could see a 25% increase in take home pay. Too many clubs and not enough income in West Phoenix.

The first move Chicas should make is getting rid of that damned pool table. Ha ha. I think the hip monied urban crowd that is following or part of the Super Bowl would choose Pink Rhino and next Jags.

I'll have to pop in Dirty's on my trip to the business Costco next door. It has always been hit and miss. Curious to see the changes and the quality of girls and amount of business.

[Big Richy]

Hola mongers,

Just an FYI. For those that go the Phoenix

Christie's for daytime dances, the incredible
Mustang was dancing there again. It was on a Thursday.

Not sure when she will be there or not, but she's back there!

[Jimmyfck2003]

I went two days ago and didn't see the usual 2-3 Asians I normally do. From talking to them in the past I'm guessing that because of the holidays, they are with family, etc. I'm betting they will be back to the normal schedule in a few weeks. I hope so at least. My last visit there was my least favorite. Most of the girls just didn't seem to be as friendly as normal. The one interesting thing I noticed was that all of the girls I wanted dances from were only roaming the customers sitting along the wall. It was like they really wanted that extra money per song. Maybe guys weren't spending as much due to holiday spending so no one was happy.Just want to say thanks for the suggestions for my trip to Phoenix. I ended up at Hiliter. Had a few dances and arranged to meet up Peter with a hot black dancer. She came to my hotel room later that night and we had a good time. Not fantastic and would look elsewhere next time. Seniors PM me if you want name.

[Deboinair]

Some people might say Bandaids is a dump but I liken it to a neighborhood bar with benefits. I always feel comfortable there. Then there's ABC. It IS a dump and I've never felt comfortable here. Granted, I've only had 3 or 4 visits but each time I kick myself for checking to see if it's improved. On the one visit that had potential, I had a brunette spinner cutie giving me a decent dance but the little security guy was constantly checking the location of my hands ("No touching!) On subsequent visits the dancers looked like refugees from a trailer park or meth lab groupies.

Higgs.Bandaids is a dump, but I think that is the whole point. The dive local bar / strip club. I think the place is fantastic. They always seem to have at least 2 good looking girls there. Staff is great and the drinks are priced right. My short time living here, I have hit up quite a few strip clubs. Bandaids is the only one I've been back to multiple times.

So you basically confirmed my thoughts on ABC. Ha ha. Wow I didn't feel comfortable there at all. Like you are being watched like you are a kid or something. Plus the talent is just horrific.

[WineX]

Hola mongers,

Just an FYI. For those that go the Phoenix

Christie's for daytime dances, the incredible
Mustang was dancing there again. It was on a Thursday.

Not sure when she will be there or not, but she's back there!It's good to hear that Mustang is still around. Thanks for the info.

[Higgs Boson]

In September a couple of pornstars including Gianna Michaels were due at the Phoenix Christies' but Newbie80 and I still had a pending trip to the Pink Rhino. At least that was my initial plan as we started a texting dialogue:

H. Want to meet tonight?

Newbie. Where did you have in mind?

H. Is there a place you'the like to go. We talked about the Pink Rhino.

Newbie. Never been to Christies' and I've never seen pornstars in the flesh.

H. I just had a thought.

Newbie. Go on.

H. Want to meet at Pink Rhino about 9 PM and get their wristband for free re-entry?

Newbie. Is it cheaper to go early?

H. Drinks at PR are 2 for 1 until 11 PM. Wristband may make it easier to get back in.

Newbie. Ya, that sounds good. Get loaded at PR and then go to Christies.

H. That's the spirit! See you there.

(the next day).

Newbie. Sorry about last night man. Wasn't feeling the strip club vibe. Kind of disappointed by actually seeing my pornstars in the flesh. That waitress at the Rhino pissed me off. I told her loud and clear that I didn't want anything and she still brought that stuff over.

H. Yeah, the pornstars can be a let down. I've seen Christie Canyon and Ebony Ayes, but you can check this off your life to-do list.

Higgs. (dialogue with edits with permission of Newbie80

[Higgs Boson]

After dinner with an acquaintance, I realized Dirty's was on the way home and decided to take a peek. Upon arrival here were about 10-12 cars the lot. Went inside and got my standard strip club frisk just inside the exterior door. No cover.

The inside has been spruced up since it was Stilettos. No major remodeling except the addition of a very large VIP area with booths like the Hi Liter or Chicas. It's on the opposite side of the pool table from the main door. Mentioned pool table is in same location as before.

The couch seating around the exterior walls of the lounge area have been refreshed and in a couple of places there are now large white overstuffed, errr, chairs, for lack of a better word. The tables on the main floor now have, gasp, table cloths, and there are lighted lamps on each one. No changes with the stage. Other than some wall hangings, there is no other real changes in the bar, patio or lounge areas.

The dancers. I'm sure I'm like a lot of you, I enter a club and immediate begin scanning the dancers in attendance. My first reaction as I entered and began scanning was, "turn around, run away and maybe they won't see you" but keeping my recon mission foremost, I had a seat at the bar and ordered a cold one. I was approached by one of the dancers who attempted to chat me up. I vaguely remember seeing her in the club previously and she was even less attractive than I remembered. She proudly stated that she passed the audition for the re-opened club. Auditions? Gawd, I'the hate to see the dancers who were turned away. I'm pretty open-minded about looks in dancers. Guys like all kinds of women, but IMHO out of the 8 - 10 dancers, maybe 3 or 4, max, could be described as even attractive. One or two were actually pretty or beautiful. No one was hideous but OMG what a homely bunch. Most difficult for me to handle is a dancer, blonde, who I've seen in the club over the past couple of years. I do not find her attractive and she is pathologically awkward. My heart goes out to her, but I could never forgive myself for getting a dance with her. I don't choose dancers based on pity.

I can't believe the management of a re-opened club would allow this. If it's now part of the Spearmint Rhino family, they could have flown in some hot dancers to kick start the place. This is what happened when Tiffany's opened (later becoming Christies' on 32nd Street). I actually met dancers in NYC who who flew in for that event. If Saturday night is typical of dancer offerings every day and night at Dirty's, this place is doomed. I may try a Friday evening visit in the coming week or two.

Like NorthScotts2, my visit lasted about 30 minutes. Enough time to drink a bottle of brew at the bar while fending off those two homely dancers, then a walk through from the bar to the patio and back.

Higgs.

[Slacker30]

Higgs, your review is what I expected. Having been around this business and dancers for a long time, I liken it to building a house. If the foundation isn't solid, the walls will not stand.

When it was Teaser's on 7th Ave and Camelback in the mid 90's and pre light rail relocation, the club had a decent flow of customers, dance buying customers. While it was no way the best club in the town and divey, it had some decent looking dancers who were friendly. I had some good times with a few.

You can remodel any club in town, but unless it has the consistent day and night business of dance buying customers as Hi-Liter and Bandaids, the dancer quality will suffer.

Dancers see this business as quick money and a hustle. If the clubs are not busy day and night with good stage tips and the majority of the crowd buying multiple dances, they will walk out or not go back.

That club is always slow. I have had some arousing dances in there in the past, once, but the club cannot attract 25-30 customers at one time ever, let alone enough guys where each girl can clear $200-$300 consistently after tip outs. And that is not wonderful, but ok in today's times. Without those conditions, the dance lineup (if there are enough girls to make up a lineup) will suck.

[NorthScotts2]

Most difficult for me to handle is a dancer, blonde, who I've seen in the club over the past couple of years. I do not find her attractive and she is pathologically awkward. My heart goes out to her, but I could never forgive myself for getting a dance with her. I don't choose dancers based on pity.

Higgs.Sounds like the same blonde I got a dance from. Totally awkward personality and just seemed off. Said she had been there for years. I did get a dance out of pity but never again, learned my lesson. The strange thing was after the one and only dance, she just sat next to me and didn't say a word. I even cracked a few jokes but no one was home. Sad really. The only potential item of intel she gave was that girls usually come in later in the evenings. Not sure if it was true but I'm guessing this place won't last long.

[Deboinair]

Does anybody have intel on Babes, Skins, and Elite in Scottsadale? I live down the road from these places, but since it is in Scottsdale I fear it maybe a waste of time.

Also where are the clubs that have the Mexican women? The good looking ones that is.

[Kujo69]

Does anybody have intel on Babes, Skins, and Elite in Scottsadale? I live down the road from these places, but since it is in Scottsdale I fear it maybe a waste of time.

Also where are the clubs that have the Mexican women? The good looking ones that is.Babes & Skin have some hot girls but for the most part are overpriced and don't deliver much contact. I stopped into Elite Cabaret once, haven't been back, wasn't impressed.

[Kujo69]

I stopped into Bourbon on the way home from work today (4-6:00), lots of girls working, all hot, lots of new faces too that I'm guessing are in town for the Super Bowl, it's certainly worth checking out this weekend.

[Bigtim47]

I stopped into Bourbon on the way home from work today (4-6:00), lots of girls working, all hot, lots of new faces too that I'm guessing are in town for the Super Bowl, it's certainly worth checking out this weekend.Wow, someone else recommends Bourbon Street on this site. Usually get slighted here. I'm only a part time visitor from the Midwest. But Bourbon is easily my favorite club in the valley. I have all the fun I need from gorgeous ladies in VIP. Not quite all the wild fun I get at the Hi-liter, but still hands on. I go to the Hi-liter for the food, mostly. Ha, ha. As Higgs and Deboinair correctly point out in prior posts below. Bandaids is a dump. Been there twice and not comfortable. Great if that works for you. Skin has free food at noon and is OK, and 2 for 1 drinks in the afternoon. Last fall when I left Bourbon at 11 PM on a Saturday night, the place was packed and about 20 to 30 guys were lined up outside waiting to get in. Why? At least 30 or more hot dancers working. Quality never goes out of style. Can't wait for my next trip out in March for spring training and Bourbon.

[NorthScotts2]

Also where are the clubs that have the Mexican women? The good looking ones that is.Not sure if this will be much help but I was at Hiliter the other day and the thin tall girl with dark hair came by. She said 'Hola' then we chatted. Probably not the kind of Mexican girl you are looking for but she was pretty hot and the dance was really nice. She said some other things to me in Spanish so that's why I mention her. And with how good the dances were on the floor, I can't imagine she's bluffing about VIP being better. PM me for her name. I would typically share it but I really don't want to get anyone in trouble.

[Deboinair]

Not sure if this will be much help but I was at Hiliter the other day and the thin tall girl with dark hair came by. She said 'Hola' then we chatted. Probably not the kind of Mexican girl you are looking for but she was pretty hot and the dance was really nice. She said some other things to me in Spanish so that's why I mention her. And with how good the dances were on the floor, I can't imagine she's bluffing about VIP being better. PM me for her name. I would typically share it but I really don't want to get anyone in trouble.I think I know who you are talking about. I PM'ed you.

[PatrickBateman]

I sat near the stage and Katy (Hot, 26, blonde, tall.) was the second girl to come sit with me. We spoke for about twenty-five minutes. I asked about private dances and she implied she would let me touch everything. We went to the back and on the second song she unzipped. Three song price, $75,20 minutes of "HI LITE".

PB.

[The BoomStick1]

What is the best all nude strip club I've been to taboo that place was great looking for someplace of equal quality or better.

[RZM1231]

What is the best all nude strip club I've been to taboo that place was great looking for someplace of equal quality or better.I would say it depends on what you're looking for. I would avoid Alaskan Bush Co. Not very friendly staff or dancers, The were fairly hot, no bbws, and you're only there to "see" the girls. I haven't been to Le Girls in a while so can't really give much of an opinion there but when I was there there were plenty of really hot girls but the VIPs got really expensive. This however was a couple years ago. I was at Centerfolds about a year ago and decided to never go again girls were ok but again their attitude and the staff didn't seem very capable in the customer service department. I've been to Taboo twice and both times I was very disappointed. Not a single dancer was attractive and at times there were no dancers either in the tiny stage or even anywhere at the sitting area. The Blue Moon is hit or miss, I had some really great times there and was really happy by the end, but there have been times when it was just disappointing as well. There are a handful of gorgeous girls here but there are also plenty of unattractive ones. The upside here is that some of the girls give plenty of attention to their costumers. The Dream Palace was just plain shitty the one time I was there, mainly the staff, the girls were ok but I don't think I'll ever go again. I can tell you this, if the girl at the entrance counter has a crappy attitude, it kills my expectation at the door. Keep in mind that this are just my experiences. I have learned to appreciate Band-aids and also Pink Rhino, both are topless however. The latter being more of a night club than a strip club though. Again it all depends on the kind of experience you're looking for and the time and day you visit each club. Hope this helps.

[Deboinair]

Wow, someone else recommends Bourbon Street on this site. Usually get slighted here. I'm only a part time visitor from the Midwest. But Bourbon is easily my favorite club in the valley. I have all the fun I need from gorgeous ladies in VIP. Not quite all the wild fun I get at the Hi-liter, but still hands on. I go to the Hi-liter for the food, mostly. Ha, ha. As Higgs and Deboinair correctly point out in prior posts below. Bandaids is a dump. Been there twice and not comfortable. Great if that works for you. Skin has free food at noon and is OK, and 2 for 1 drinks in the afternoon. Last fall when I left Bourbon at 11 PM on a Saturday night, the place was packed and about 20 to 30 guys were lined up outside waiting to get in. Why? At least 30 or more hot dancers working. Quality never goes out of style. Can't wait for my next trip out in March for spring training and Bourbon.I went to Bourbon Street today. Small club in a questionable neighborhood, but the strippers seem uppity. I mean if I want a stuck up *****, I would just go to North Scottsdale to one of the bars or something. When you are a stripper you can't act like that. The purpose of going to a strip club is to mingle with beautiful women that wouldn't give you the time a day in the street. It's about personality and extras when you are in a strip club. The place is predominately white girls that need to eat a steak sandwich. Although there was one that was petite one, but nice in the right places. I was going to get her until I saw this Venezuelan chick named Catalina. She looks like a grade A *****, but is actually nice. Gave her tip on the stage and she came by and chatted. I folded and got two VIP dances, and they were good. Not air dances like a feared.

Would I frequent this club? Probably not, but the 2 for 1 drinks are enticing to stop by once in a blue. The thing about Bandaids is that it's a dump, but there is generally one or maybe two girls that can compete with the ones at Bourbon street. It's a laid back spot.

[Slacker30]

Stopped by briefly Saturday (day before the Super Bowl). Higgs referenced a interior remodel of sorts l noticed 4 new tables between the pool table and stage and possibly some new tile by the bar plus a photographer inside, Bought one lame dance and left. Nothing new.

[Mtnboy49]

Wow, someone else recommends Bourbon Street on this site. Usually get slighted here. I'm only a part time visitor from the Midwest. But Bourbon is easily my favorite club in the valley. I have all the fun I need from gorgeous ladies in VIP. Not quite all the wild fun I get at the Hi-liter, but still hands on. I stopped in to BSC 9 ish on Wednesday this week. The week after the Super Bowl. Not many cars in the parking lot and the club was not very full. Just the one stage going. Didn't see but 3 or 4 girls circulating on the floor. I figured they had maybe 4 or 5 and would be repeating. I was there over 2 hrs and they never repeated. Where do these hotties come from?

Like Bigtim I got pretty well shut out. Not one asked me WannaDance? I was just on the point of calling it a night and a blond with the most amazing ass but tiny titties stopped to chat. We retired to VIP and she asked right up front "Hve you been here before? Did you have fun? How much fun?" She said she was just back from Vegas, had worked in the big name clubs there and SF. We had a conversttion on the one SF club.

Anyway, she notieced Mr Happy was at attention, she asked $$$ to make him really happy. We settled on $. Way too much. But, not because of her. Mr Happy's endurance was way off and she said we'd work on that next time.

Another really outstanding dancer was a Venezuelan looking lady. Big rack, awesome veno ass, She danced one set on stage then, time after time in VIP seemed like the guys were lasting about 3 songs. She would come out one song, back in with another who came to her asking to go up.

[Bigtim47]

I stopped in to BSC 9 ish on Wednesday this week. The week after the Super Bowl. Not many cars in the parking lot and the club was not very full. Just the one stage going. Didn't see but 3 or 4 girls circulating on the floor. I figured they had maybe 4 or 5 and would be repeating. I was there over 2 hrs and they never repeated. Where do these hotties come from?

Like Bigtim I got pretty well shut out. Not one asked me WannaDance? I was just on the point of calling it a night and a blond with the most amazing ass but tiny titties stopped to chat. We retired to VIP and she asked right up front "Hve you been here before? Did you have fun? How much fun?" She said she was just back from Vegas, had worked in the big name clubs there and SF. We had a conversttion on the one SF club.

Anyway, she notieced Mr Happy was at attention, she asked $$$ to make him really happy. We settled on $. Way too much. But, not because of her. Mr Happy's endurance was way off and she said we'd work on that next time.

Another really outstanding dancer was a Venezuelan looking lady. Big rack, awesome veno ass, She danced one set on stage then, time after time in VIP seemed like the guys were lasting about 3 songs. She would come out one song, back in with another who came to her asking to go up.Greetings.

Glad to see someone else had fun at Bourbon. When I'm in clubs where you walk up to the stage to tip, if I like a dancer I ask them to stop by to see and visit, after I tip them. When sitting at a table, I always get dancers to stop by. In Bourbon, if I don't want to be hustled with "want to-dance", I sit at the bar and pick my spots and the dancers I want to see.

[Bigtim47]

Greetings.

Glad to see someone else had fun at Bourbon. When I'm in clubs where you walk up to the stage to tip, if I like a dancer I ask them to stop by to see and visit, after I tip them. When sitting at a table, I always get dancers to stop by. In Bourbon, if I don't want to be hustled with "want to-dance", I sit at the bar and pick my spots and the dancers I want to see.I forgot to mention that every night right at 9 Pm they have a "review" of all dancers, where they all appear on stage 1 and 3 while the song "Girls, Girls, Girls" plays and they are introduced. Usually hard to figure out just who is who, but it helps to plan your time with the talent you will see. Good luck!

[Mtnboy49]

On the same night I visited BSC noted below, I stopped first at the BM. Paid the $12 cover, saw the guy seated in front of me had an O'Douls so, ordered one when a sweetie asked my order - $5.

There were 3 ladies on the rotation that night and all were. Plus sized I guess is the polite description. Finished my O'Douls and left after I heard one of the girls ask the door dude who else was coming and he told her that was it. Couldn't get a hold of anyone else. Being Tuesday night after the Big Game, every one must have been taking a few nights off.

[Mtnboy49]

Continuing my tour of PHX hot spots, I stopped by Hiliter today. Sunday - about 4 PM. Wow! As I walked in the front door. No cover. Two fine thin ladies were coming off the smoking porch in the smallest g-strings I think I have ever seen. The hottest lady grabbed my arm and greeted me. I told her I really wanted to get situated. She promised to come see me. The dancer on stage continued the tall, ultra thin and tiny g-string theme. As did the next two blondies that stopped by my spot in the first row. Both extra handy and friendly. I was not ready to take the VIP trip just yet so, stopped at 2 dances with several more then, about 5:30 ish, things went more and more quiet.

This is the second time I have experienced this same Sunday phenomenom. Looks like the order of business is golf then titties and home by 5:30. So, my next visit is going to be for a mid afternoon burger on Sunday.

One real interesting dancer was a blond with short hair and not the real thin nor real curvy but, nice and natural. Smart lady. Says she is finishing up soon with double majors. Dance and marketing. PERFECT internship. Really enjoyed talking to her and she gave a good dance too.

[Slacker30]

Continuing my tour of PHX hot spots, I stopped by Hiliter today. Sunday - about 4 PM. Wow! As I walked in the front door. No cover. Two fine thin ladies were coming off the smoking porch in the smallest g-strings I think I have ever seen. The hottest lady grabbed my arm and greeted me. I told her I really wanted to get situated. She promised to come see me. The dancer on stage continued the tall, ultra thin and tiny g-string theme. As did the next two blondies that stopped by my spot in the first row. Both extra handy and friendly. I was not ready to take the VIP trip just yet so, stopped at 2 dances with several more then, about 5:30 ish, things went more and more quiet.

This is the second time I have experienced this same Sunday phenomenom. Looks like the order of business is golf then titties and home by 5:30. So, my next visit is going to be for a mid afternoon burger on Sunday.

One real interesting dancer was a blond with short hair and not the real thin nor real curvy but, nice and natural. Smart lady. Says she is finishing up soon with double majors. Dance and marketing. PERFECT internship. Really enjoyed talking to her and she gave a good dance too.I have found Sat and Sun afternoons good at Hi-Liter and Bandaids. I like to get there between 2 and 3:30. Usually a decent mix of girls and dance buying customers, but not too many of each to make it uncomfortable.

After about 5 some of the better girls start leaving as the mix of money spending guys thin out by then. This is my experience.

[Reallly Bored]

On the same night I visited BSC noted below, I stopped first at the BM. Paid the $12 cover, saw the guy seated in front of me had an O'Douls so, ordered one when a sweetie asked my order - $5.

There were 3 ladies on the rotation that night and all were. Plus sized I guess is the polite description. Finished my O'Douls and left after I heard one of the girls ask the door dude who else was coming and he told her that was it. Couldn't get a hold of anyone else. Being Tuesday night after the Big Game, every one must have been taking a few nights off.I hit the moon Sunday afternoon, and three dancers were there, all petite. Two white and one black. Got two dances with "baby", and she did not disapoint.

[Reallly Bored]

Passed by Locas today, on McDowell just West of 35th Ave, to see a new sign "Blue Moon West" with a smaller temporary sign saying "coming in February".

To be nude? Topless? It didn't say.

Higgs.Suposed to be exactly like the current moon. The guy told me it would open Feb 16.

[Dick North]

All of my fave black girls from Centerfolds have disappeared from the early afternoon shift. Orianna, Arianna & Jewel. Gone.

My only other fave is 'Sissie' from Bandaids, a Thai hottie.

Any recommendations for slender black girls that you mongers know about will be much appreciated.

DN.

[Slacker30]

All of my fave black girls from Centerfolds have disappeared from the early afternoon shift. Orianna, Arianna & Jewel. Gone.

My only other fave is 'Sissie' from Bandaids, a Thai hottie.

Any recommendations for slender black girls that you mongers know about will be much appreciated.

DN.Idol on days at Blue Moon.

[Dick North]

All of my fave black girls from Centerfolds have disappeared from the early afternoon shift. Orianna, Arianna & Jewel. Gone.

My only other fave is 'Sissie' from Bandaids, a Thai hottie.

Any recommendations for slender black girls that you mongers know about will be much appreciated.

DN.Thanks Slacker30 for your suggestion.

Anyway, don't know that I want to revisit BM after the restrictive remodel job, but you mongers seem to be having fun.

So maybe I will give it a try.

DN.

[Jammer27]

Hello gents!

I just posted on the backpage report wall and I wanted to ask the same question here but specifically for strip clubs. I am new to the "mongering" world and I just got out of a 5 year relationship and want to have fun!

Are there any clubs you recommend that are more hands-on? Also what is a "fair" price?

Thanks in advance for any advice!!

[WhyKnot4314]

Literally snuck out of my house after reading about Hiliter. I was not disappointed. I met a brunette with a great body and incredible tots named Jessica. She was a little drunk and my buying her a couple of shots of voddy didn't help. Hit the VIP and within three songs, I was done. She likes rough play and gets off on the dance.

Saw a thicker redhead named Ivy who moves slowly and is more intimate. Hit the VIP again and more of the same. This place is amazing!

It's $10/ dance on the floor, $15/ dance against the wall, and $25/ dance in VIP. Go from the floor to the VIP once you have one you like. You'll not be disappointed.

[Higgs Boson]

Stopped by briefly Saturday (day before the Super Bowl). Higgs referenced a interior remodel of sorts l noticed 4 new tables between the pool table and stage and possibly some new tile by the bar plus a photographer inside, Bought one lame dance and left. Nothing new.Last weekend I visited Chicas for the first time since the remodeling was completed. My previous visit was perhaps halfway through the project. Though it might be described as putting lipstick on a pig, the remodel is a significant upgrade and refresh on the club, especially compared to its previous life as Mustang Sally's, when it was a real dump.

(There are dancers there who are still nostalgic for Mustang Sally's big, rounded and mirrored stage claiming it generated lots of money for them. Though that old stage was very well lighted, it was there during the housing bubble when realtors and construction trade workers showered handfuls of bills on dancers. Those days are long gone.).

If you care (and maybe you don't, that's OK) here's a quick synopsis of what was done at Chicas: the ragged and torn Chicas banner in front was removed and replaced with the raised letters taken from the inside south wall; floor tile installed along bar; new carpeting installed; the booths were reupholstered; mirrors hung above north wall booths; and the club was repainted inside and out. Maybe more was done but that was all I noticed.

What should have been done: the men's room, though better than the Mustang Sally's days, is still a glaring problem. Only one person can use it at a time and it makes the Bandaids men's room look like a high end spa. Also, for some reason Chicas didn't upgrade the lighting for the main stage. You can barely see the dancer on stage.

As for lame dances, yeah, you can find them here as at any club but there are about 3 or 4 dancers here who give me a thrill and I return occasionally for that experience.

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

What is the best all nude strip club I've been to taboo that place was great looking for someplace of equal quality or better.Dave has expertise in this area and has made some field reports. They're not really an interest of mine but here's a list.

Blue Moon (E. Van Buren).

Blue Moon (W. McDowell).

Alaskan Bush Company (split into nude and topless parts).

Centerfolds. split into nude and topless parts. The nude section opens late and only on certain nights (Friday and Saturday ?)

Dreamgirls.

Eve's Tease (Indian School, near Grand Ave.).

Le Girls (e. Washington) split into nude and topless parts.

Taboo (e. McDowell).

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

Wow, someone else recommends Bourbon Street on this site. Usually get slighted here. I'm only a part time visitor from the Midwest. But Bourbon is easily my favorite club in the valley. I think the variety of Valley clubs is great. I understand why Bourbon Street appeals to many and it really is very popular. Just drive by the place to see the packed parking lot at night. It just doesn't appeal to me primarily because of the Barbie doll dancers and the prevalence of augmented breasts. I prefer natural in a variety of breast sizes, and more diversity in dancer color and body types. If the body type at Bourbon Street is appealing, without a doubt there are lots of dancers to choose from.


I forgot to mention that every night right at 9 Pm they have a "review" of all dancers, where they all appear on stage 1 and 3 while the song "Girls, Girls, Girls" plays and they are introduced. Usually hard to figure out just who is who, but it helps to plan your time with the talent you will see. Good luck!They've been doing this schtick for about 20 years or so. Nice to know there's some continuity. No doubt, it gives you a chance to review available dancers.

The pitchers and catchers have reported for Spring Training, and it won't be long to the Cactus League games. Enjoy your time with the Cactus League and at Bourbon Street. Maybe I'll see you at the club since it's about time for my bi-annual visit to confirm and deepen my impressions. The last time I was there it was with Dave and Snakeyez. Wow, maybe it was longer than two years ago.

Higgs.

[DavePHX]

The last time I was there it was with Dave and Snakeyez. Wow, maybe it was longer than two years ago.
Higgs.Wow how time flies!!

I also am not into big breasts or artificial.

Haven't been out much in the last six months. Glad to see Higgs actively posting.

Hi-Liter my favorite.

I like Centerfolds except hard to get dancers to approach me. I've had great times but mostly boring since really have no interest in stage dancing and gwacking and I don't drink. Just diet coke if have minimum drinks (they don't. Nor Hi-Liter.

Essex nice but again almost have to wear a "pick me" sign.

Bandaids where I often went with Higgs been a few years as I vowed not to return as long as the big idiot Damon works there. For years was my favorite.

May get out a bit and try some clubs. It is always hit and miss but not worth it to just be bored if not being approached by my type of dancers (natural not DD's and have some personalty not just "wanta dance" type.

Over the decades have found great times at many clubs but not as good this decade than last.

Also planning my next big Niagara / Toronto trip when they unfreeze and the snow melts!

[Bigtim47]

I think the variety of Valley clubs is great. I understand why Bourbon Street appeals to many and it really is very popular. Just drive by the place to see the packed parking lot at night. It just doesn't appeal to me primarily because of the Barbie doll dancers and the prevalence of augmented breasts. I prefer natural in a variety of breast sizes, and more diversity in dancer color and body types. If the body type at Bourbon Street is appealing, without a doubt there are lots of dancers to choose from.

They've been doing this schtick for about 20 years or so. Nice to know there's some continuity. No doubt, it gives you a chance to review available dancers.

The pitchers and catchers have reported for Spring Training, and it won't be long to the Cactus League games. Enjoy your time with the Cactus League and at Bourbon Street. Maybe I'll see you at the club since it's about time for my bi-annual visit to confirm and deepen my impressions. The last time I was there it was with Dave and Snakeyez. Wow, maybe it was longer than two years ago.

Higgs.Hello Higgs, Great to hear your responses. You are one of my well informed heros on this site. I will be in the valley for about 10 days starting March 3. It would be great to go on a strip club tour with you and some other veterans. We could hit BSC and then you could show me the delights at Bandaids and maybe Centerfolds and others. Send me a PM if it works for you. Can't wait for my trip. Strippers and spring training baseball. What else is there?

[Higgs Boson]

Bandaids where I often went with Higgs been a few years as I vowed not to return as long as the big idiot Damon works there. For years was my favorite.Dave, I think it's OK for you to return to Bandaids. I haven't seen Damian in a long time. In fact, I ran into him some months ago working at Essex and I jokingly asked if it was a change in "duty station" (FYI for others, Essex, Bandaids and Hi Liter are under the same ownership). He was pretty cool, smiling slightly he said, "Something like that. " I haven't seen him at any club since then. Too bad since I thought he was beginning to relax a little with regulars and starting to thaw that cold exterior.

Higgs.

[Danimal Forth]

Somebody said T&A on Central had some work done. I've been in a few times since and I couldn't say I noticed much difference although it had been a while since my previous stop.

They just got around to tossing the old VIP couches and replacing them. That's a small plus. Of course the VIP is $25 per dance and I can't really recommend heading over to that corner anyway.

Security there is pretty intense. Had one of them come by once because my shirt started riding up a my stomach a little bit after a couple of dances. I didn't realize that was a big deal. Actually I saw security going through the purse of one of the dancers as she came in for work too.

The sink faucet in the men's bathroom hasn't had a working handle for at least a few weeks and now the hardware has become completely detached from the sink. Add it to the list of clubs needing work in that department.

[Slacker30]

Somebody said T&A on Central had some work done. I've been in a few times since and I couldn't say I noticed much difference although it had been a while since my previous stop.

They just got around to tossing the old VIP couches and replacing them. That's a small plus. Of course the VIP is $25 per dance and I can't really recommend heading over to that corner anyway.

Security there is pretty intense. Had one of them come by once because my shirt started riding up a my stomach a little bit after a couple of dances. I didn't realize that was a big deal. Actually I saw security going through the purse of one of the dancers as she came in for work too.

The sink faucet in the men's bathroom hasn't had a working handle for at least a few weeks and now the hardware has become completely detached from the sink. Add it to the list of clubs needing work in that department.I was there about 10 days ago around 5:30. Same ole club. Pat down at door, bouncer asks for tip in the can. 2/$5 draft beer til 7. 9-10 dancers. They don't hustle too hard. I noticed no remodeling.

I never go at night. The bouncers never bother the girls dances when I go. With $5 chair dances it's an ok place to visit periodically.

[Slacker30]

I am responding to you guys saying dancers don't approach you.

This business has changed a lot. Girls used to work the floor going from guy to guy asking for dances. There used to be more attractive older dancers (30's to early 40's) and not a club full of 20 somethings who are not into their job, who aren't friendly and talkative.

I was in Hi-Liter yesterday (Sunday) about 4:30, and the club was fairly busy. 1 dancer approached me. One latina girl danced for one guy, avoided me, and guys next to me were flagging her down and she ignored them. Why the hell is she there?

Back track to 1999,2005, and this NEVER would have happened. One girl I know said guys aren't as loose as they used to be in the clubs. They don'teven want to give you $1. I think the girls are profiling the customers as there is a lot more rejection now than in 1999 or 2005. Guys won't spread their money around, won't tip on stage. They turn the girls down for dances right and left.

So when we go in a club now, the majority of customers lack of interest in loosening up, tipping and buying dances from multiple girls has caused a low morale amongst dancers and club staff which translates into a less fun experience for the customer.

These young girls nowadays aren't bubbly and fun to talk to, and aren't into going from guy to guy with a smile on their face trying to sell dances. And they put little effort into their stage time as very few people will tip. They are looking for that one or 2 guys who seem to have money.

This is making going to strip clubs no fun anymore.

That's my take on it.

[Danimal Forth]

I was there about 10 days ago around 5:30. Same ole club. Pat down at door, bouncer asks for tip in the can. 2/$5 draft beer til 7. 9-10 dancers. They don't hustle too hard. I noticed no remodeling.

I never go at night. The bouncers never bother the girls dances when I go. With $5 chair dances it's an ok place to visit periodically.My recent visits have all been fairly early in the afternoon.

They have definitely changed up the wall seating but I have no idea how much work that involved to call it a remodel. They don't do the $10 dances anymore though.

Security has always been friendly to me but they were still watching incredibly close. I'm not really complaining since I wasn't try to get away with anything in the first place.

I'm not saying it's a horrible place but it's not my favorite by any stretch.

[Mrmikers]

I am responding to you guys saying dancers don't approach you.

This business has changed a lot. Girls used to work the floor going from guy to guy asking for dances. There used to be more attractive older dancers (30's to early 40's) and not a club full of 20 somethings who are not into their job, who aren't friendly and talkative.

I was in Hi-Liter yesterday (Sunday) about 4:30, and the club was fairly busy. 1 dancer approached me. One latina girl danced for one guy, avoided me, and guys next to me were flagging her down and she ignored them. Why the hell is she there?

Back track to 1999,2005, and this NEVER would have happened. One girl I know said guys aren't as loose as they used to be in the clubs. They don'teven want to give you $1. I think the girls are profiling the customers as there is a lot more rejection now than in 1999 or 2005. Guys won't spread their money around, won't tip on stage. They turn the girls down for dances right and left.

So when we go in a club now, the majority of customers lack of interest in loosening up, tipping and buying dances from multiple girls has caused a low morale amongst dancers and club staff which translates into a less fun experience for the customer.

These young girls nowadays aren't bubbly and fun to talk to, and aren't into going from guy to guy with a smile on their face trying to sell dances. And they put little effort into their stage time as very few people will tip. They are looking for that one or 2 guys who seem to have money.

This is making going to strip clubs no fun anymore.

That's my take on it.I agree with a lot of this. I've really noticed it at Centerfolds the last couple of years, not so much HL, where I still see the girls making the rounds quite a bit. I think at Centerfolds, there are some girls that have been there a long time, and they will spend their time with regular customers who they know will take them to the VIP and spend big bucks on them. I know a couple of dancers there that won't even go unless they have one of their regulars call and request to see them. There ARE things however that can be done to combat this trend. Try not to go to the clubs at their peak hours because the dancer to customer ratio will not be favorable. I tend to go during the weekends, between opening and 7 pm. Be respectful and have good hygiene. Would YOU want to dance with a girl who looked and smelled like she just got done working ten hours in a sweat shop? But most importantly, if you see a girl you really like, then try to be the first one to tip her when she goes on stage. Give her a generous tip, tell her she's looking good, and tell her to catch you for some dances. Unless she's already got several guys waiting for her, or is near the end of her shift, this will usually do the trick. Have patience and try different clubs if one isn't happening for you.

[Deboinair]

Wow how time flies!!

Hi-Liter my favorite.

I like Centerfolds except hard to get dancers to approach me. I've had great times but mostly boring since really have no interest in stage dancing and gwacking and I don't drink. Just diet coke if have minimum drinks (they don't. Nor Hi-Liter.

Essex nice but again almost have to wear a "pick me" sign.

Bandaids where I often went with Higgs been a few years as I vowed not to return as long as the big idiot Damon works there. For years was my favorite.


Also planning my next big Niagara / Toronto trip when they unfreeze and the snow melts!Hi Liter, Essex, and Bandaids is all cool. I just don't like the fat white bartender at Bandaids. Besides that its a good place to drink although the talent varies. I want to try Centerfolds. Is it good during the day?