Strip Club Reports

[AmanteDeLatina]

I had a very bad experience tonight at the Blue Moon. They have a new manager named Robert and he is bad news. He is a very large black man so that you know when you see him. Robert came in and replaced the manager that I had gotten to know over the past few years. I guess Robert now works the night shift. I got to the Blue Moon at about 6 PM and I saw what was working and I found this girl that was to my liking named Cherry. At first, everything appeared like it was going to be normal. Cherry asked me if I wanted a dance and I said sure. She quoted me $41 for the set. I paid Cherry $41 in advance and she gave the money to Robert and came back. Cherry started to wack me off and allowed me to touch her anywhere I wanted as she danced for me (which has always seemed to be the norm at Blue Moon for the past couple of years). After the three songs were over she asked me if I would like another set. I said yes and handed her $50 (I was going to tip her a little extra). She went back to Robert to pay up and I could immediately tell something was wrong. She did not come back for a while. She finally came back and told me that Robert told her that she was not supposed to dance all three songs (she was supposed to sit there and talk to me for two and dance one) but since she did I now owed Robert an additional $41 for the three dances and if I wanted another set that it would be another $21. I told her no because she had quoted me $41 and that was what I was going to pay. She said that I still needed to go to Robert and pay him the $41 I owed him. I refused and I took my $50 back and bolted out the door. Robert came outside and stopped me and with his gangster talk that was meant to try to intimidate me he tried to extort the $41 out of me. I said that I was quoted $41 to begin with by Cherry and that was all I was going to pay. He then said he was going to call the cops and tell them that I paid the girl to whack me off! I still refused to pay and I told him that I would love to see him call the Phoenix police and tell them that his girls are whacking men off in their joint.

Robert then tried to intimidate me using the oldest trick in the book. He used the famous "good cop, bad cop method". Robert called over the doorman, a man by the name of Mario and brought him over. Mario then started to try to reason with me and he told Robert to go back inside. Mario told me that Robert was very mad and that he is prone to violence! He said that Robert might kill me and that he could not control the guy. He said that he knows that it isn't right but Robert is known to do that. I did not tell them this but I was armed with a can of pepper spray that thank goodness I did not have to use. He kept on saying to me that "I know this isn't right but this is a shady business and bad things happen". He said now that Cherry was going to tell the police I raped her unless I paid the $41. Mario kept on trying to say he was my friend but he could not stop Robert. He said I should just pay up or else I might end up dead or arrested. He copied down the license plate to my car and told me he was going to call the police. At this point I pulled my cell phone out of my pocket and said to him that he need not bother because I was going to call them for him. He right away got excited and said "don't call 911!". I said I wasn't because he had not tried to kill me yet so it was not an emergency. He then asked me to step aside so that when the police came I would not be in the way which I did. I called directory assistance because I did not know the Phoenix non emergency number by heart. As I was on hold, He went in and talke to Mario and then came back and asked if I had already talked to the police and I said no as I was still on hold with directory assistance. He said to hang up then because he wanted to tell me something. He said he talked to Robert and that Robert told him that they were going to charge the dance to Cherry that they were going to take the cost of my dance out of her pay (like I believe that) and that I could come back in if I want but in the future I need to be aware that if the girl is dancing for more than one of the three songs I need to tell her to stop unless I want to pay. Needless to say, I did not go back in. I took off and I will not be back as long as Robert is the manager of this place.

This was obviously a con game that Robert and Cherry had pre planned. It was obvious because when Cherry started dancing for me she told me that she started dancing there on January 2. When she was telling me that I owed Robert for the extra dance she said that she did not know she was not to dance for three songs because she was new there. Her, Robert and Mario had this game all planned out. Beware, they may try it again if they find someone that is not as savvy as I am. I was born at night but I was not born last night. LOL. I am 42 years old so believe me I have seen every trick in the book so I know a heist when I see one! I knew that there is no way in hell that the Blue Moon was going to call the police with all the prostitution that goes on in there. Also, they would have no way to prove it as they definitely do not have video cameras there so it would be there word against mine. Police would never arrest me without proof that I stole a product especially sexually related services. In the past I have actually seen me actually get private dances in clubs and then when the dance was done they found that they did not have the money. Yes, the club kicked them out but they did not call the police!

I am a frequent traveler to Tijuana and other Mexican border towns to visit their strip clubs. Everyone says how they are so crooked down there but I can tell you that in my many Tijuana trips I have never had anything remotely close to this happen. The Blue Moon now is a place to avoid.

After I left Blue Moon I went to Le Girl's. You can read about that in my next post.

[BonAppetit]

How much $ do you guys spend at the clubs on average?

[AmanteDeLatina]

After I was done with my bad experience at Blue Moon which you can read about below, I decided to go to Le Girls. I had been reading that Le Girls has now converted to having both a nude and a topless side so that they can serve alcohol. In the past I have never really liked Le Girls as I thought it was overpriced and it had girls that would go ballistic if you touched their toes but I was kind of curious to see how they had remodeled it. They definitely did a good job of remodeling! The place looks really nice now. The entrance to the nude side is a bit weird though. When I went in I went to the counter and they informed me that there was no cover since it was still early and I walked into the area that has always been. They have completely redone the dancing area. The area where the couches for privates used to be is now a fully enclosed VIP room! I did take a peak in there and it was really nice! It sort of reminded me of the VIP room that the HiLiter has but only on a lot larger scale. The dancers had not started dancing yet. As I looked around I was trying to find the nude side because I could see they were serving alcohol and I knew they would not have nude where alcohol is. I personally do not drink alcohol so that never appeals to me. I would rather see everything! I asked the waitor where the nude side was as I was having trouble finding it and he explained that you literally had to walk behind the counter when you first enter to get into it. Very odd! I went back into the lobby and I walked behind the counter and walked into the nude side. The nude side now is a lot smaller but it has a full row of couches and a VIP booth area. It does not have an actual VIP room but it has the VIP area. I had just got there when the nude side just opened so the girls were not dancing yet. I had to wait about a half hour and then they got a couple. The first dancer was a black lady that I can not remember the name of. I was not that attracted to her. She offered me a dance and I declined. After she danced I had to wait about a half hour again and then a very slender white girl named Lilly came. Lilly was not a perfect 10 by any means but she was not too bad. Her tits were not very big and I personally like them to be a bit bigger. If Lilly would invest in some implants I think she would be an awesome dancer. Since my choice was not very great with only two girls I decided to give Lilly a try. I must say that Lilly does have an awesome personality. She fully explained everything there. I was the only customer in the nude side so Lilly danced 1 song and then she came down totally nude and sat next to me. She said to me that since I was the only one there she figured that she might as well give me all the attention and make sure I have a perfectly unobstructed view. I laughed. She explained the pricing of $20 for a couch dance and $100 for three songs in the VIP booths. She said that I could have her in the VIP on the topless side for $200 for a half hour and that would include a bottle of Champagne. After I told her that I did not drink alcohol she told me that if I was interested still she would try to get me a discount in there. I was a little low on money as this was the second strip club for the night so I declined and got the couch dances. I did tell her I would keep it in mind for the future. I got two dances from her and she did get close up. The only touching that was allowed was her back but that was to be expected at Le Girls. In fact, for Le Girls that is pretty liberal as in the past when I was there they would not allow even the slightest touch of any part of the body. They required me to sit on my hands as they gave the dance. Just because Lilly was so polite to me I may come back there for her.

[Kujo69]

That's some crazy shit Tempe Jon, you'd think they'd be better off trying to get you to come back again as opposed to squeezing an extra $41 out of you and having you never come back again. Some people just have no business sense.

[Massage Dream]

Tempe Jon for the advise! Glad you made it out alright. It sounds like you have guts and I am happy to hear you stuck to your guns and didn't let them walk all over you as they clearly were trying to.

[AmanteDeLatina]

That's some crazy shit Tempe Jon, you'd think they'd be better off trying to get you to come back again as opposed to squeezing an extra $41 out of you and having you never come back again. Some people just have no business sense.I fully agree. The drug cartels in Mexico operate with better business sense than these guys. ROFL. The drug cartels actually want Americans to come back so they make sure this doesn't happen. Mario said that it was a shady business but at least most strip clubs at least attempt to make themselves at least appear not shady. LOL

[Member #4734]

I went to bm under the old management and thought it was a dump. Now I go to hiliters that place is live. Just curious is there any place that comes close to Hiliters. Been to Bourbon Street, beautiful woman, but aint as good as Hilters.

[AmanteDeLatina]

I went to bm under the old management and thought it was a dump. Now I go to hiliters that place is live. Just curious is there any place that comes close to Hiliters. Been to Bourbon Street, beautiful woman, but aint as good as Hilters.Although I am sure that some people on this forum are going to disagree with me, I would say that Centerfolds is the best. BM was a dump for sure. The only reason I used to go there was because the girls allowed full touching and they also touched you. It was the most liberal nude club for touching in Phoenix. I am going to miss that aspect. LOL. I guess I will be hanging out in Tijuana a lot more now. LOL

[Member #4734]

Although I am sure that some people on this forum are going to disagree with me, I would say that Centerfolds is the best. BM was a dump for sure. The only reason I used to go there was because the girls allowed full touching and they also touched you. It was the most liberal nude club for touching in Phoenix. I am going to miss that aspect. LOL. I guess I will be hanging out in Tijuana a lot more now. LOLHmmm, I guess your YMMV. When I went there there were 3 women, all hanging out with their boyfriends. After I got their 1 women got up and said you want to go to VIP, I said maybe in a while. So their I sat alone, not even a women on stage, so I got a VIP dance, worst ever, after sitting with the women for two songs she did a below avg dance, showing me an ugly set of tits, she had blond hair, may have been shitty to get more dances from her, but I just left. Then I found hiliter. I really liked Amanda, she works both hilet and centerfolds. Ever get a dance from her.

[Jerikson40]

If any of the locals happen to know who the Blue Moon owner is, he might be VERY interested to hear about how his manager is doing business. There might be a strip club manager walking the streets after the boss finds out how he's treating customers.

And for any of the regulars, maybe next time you go to Blue Moon tell your dancers "I'm sorry I can't get a dance from you because of the way Robert is extorting customers". That might put a quick end to his antics if enough guys boycott the dances. Can you imagine a bunch of drugged out angry strippers who can't make enough to buy drugs, all because of dear old Robert?

[AmanteDeLatina]

If any of the locals happen to know who the Blue Moon owner is, he might be VERY interested to hear about how his manager is doing business. There might be a strip club manager walking the streets after the boss finds out how he's treating customers.

And for any of the regulars, maybe next time you go to Blue Moon tell your dancers "I'm sorry I can't get a dance from you because of the way Robert is extorting customers". That might put a quick end to his antics if enough guys boycott the dances. Can you imagine a bunch of drugged out angry strippers who can't make enough to buy drugs, all because of dear old Robert?I found the name of the owner of the club by going to the Maricopa County Assessor's website and searching for the owner of the property at that address. The forum rules here state that if I post anyone's full name my membership will be deleted so I can not post it here. I confirmed that the property owner is also the business owner (not someone renting the property out) by doing a Google search of this person's name and Blue Moon. I was unable to find contact info though for this person. If there are any other internet sleuths on here that want to try to find out contact info on this person you can PM me so I can send you the name of the person so I won't be posting it here to lose my membership.

[Anotheronedown]

That is not a bad idea, there are enough of us forum members. Have a designated night where we all show up and refuse VIP dances, but still tip and buy the offer priced drinks.


If any of the locals happen to know who the Blue Moon owner is, he might be VERY interested to hear about how his manager is doing business. There might be a strip club manager walking the streets after the boss finds out how he's treating customers.

And for any of the regulars, maybe next time you go to Blue Moon tell your dancers "I'm sorry I can't get a dance from you because of the way Robert is extorting customers". That might put a quick end to his antics if enough guys boycott the dances. Can you imagine a bunch of drugged out angry strippers who can't make enough to buy drugs, all because of dear old Robert?

[AmanteDeLatina]

That is not a bad idea, there are enough of us forum members. Have a designated night where we all show up and refuse VIP dances, but still tip and buy the offer priced drinks.That is an interesting idea. I do now have the full name, address, and phone number of the owner of the place. I looked on the report of officers that they filed with the Arizona corporation commission. I may mail him to tell him about his manager. I have went all over the internet on every strip club review site that I know of and posted this story so people should now find out. Hopefully the owner reads the reviews too so he can see it.

[Papa Rotzi]

If this happens let me know!


That is not a bad idea, there are enough of us forum members. Have a designated night where we all show up and refuse VIP dances, but still tip and buy the offer priced drinks.

[Jerikson40]

Here's what I suggest.

Just send a letter or email to the owner, brief, succinct and to the point. Not some big long rambling complaint that will make him think you're some loon with an axe to grind against Robert or just some nut job.

Just tell him in bullet points what happened, very calmly, mention the extortion and Robert trying to get police involved (owners want nothing to do with the cops.) and just the facts, and mention you're letting the review sites know about it and everyone is talking about boycott. Just don't sound like a crazy person or someone who is making something out of nothing.

I've seen too many strip club "reviews" that are nothing more than some dancer boyfriend or ex-employee with an axe to grind and who forgot to take their meds who are trying to shut the club down for some crazy reason.

EDIT: BTW, I'd also suggest you take the attitude of "hey, dude, I'm doing you a favor going to all the trouble of searching you out and telling you about this, I don't give a damn about your club but as a business owner I know how important it is to know about this stuff for the future of your business". Don't act like some pissed off guy who just wants revenge. Also, it will probably be your word against Robert and probably some of his buddies at the club, so don't be surprised....

[Raymondmid]

That is too bad about the BM. I mostly a lurker but do frequent the BM during the day. All a place like that needs is that kind of nonsense to close it up. Why they went that route when hiring someone is anybodys guess but it was a mistake. The main problem is things like that bring arguments, maybe physical confrontations, etc. And the next thing you know- the police are there. The police do not like to be called to that type of nonsense- next thing is the police will be patrolling the area with the usual minor traffic stops.

Not good

[Slacker30]

That is too bad about the BM. I mostly a lurker but do frequent the BM during the day. All a place like that needs is that kind of nonsense to close it up. Why they went that route when hiring someone is anybodys guess but it was a mistake. The main problem is things like that bring arguments, maybe physical confrontations, etc. And the next thing you know- the police are there. The police do not like to be called to that type of nonsense- next thing is the police will be patrolling the area with the usual minor traffic stops.

Not goodThis is an example of how one customer being mistreated can mushroom into lost business. It probably won't involve the police. If customers get wind of bad customer service, they won't be back. That is most likely why some of the girls quit.

This is why Nordstrom is such a successful department store. No sale is ever final. Impeccable customer service. You can't be overly rigid with customers and expect them to continue to patronize your establishment.

One the club gets their $20 out of the $41, it never has mattered to them before if the girl danced all 3 songs or sat for 2. Especially with so many regular customers there. They are obviously trying to squeeze more money out of each customer to make up for a declining customer base.

Once a club goes down this path, it usually never recovers.

[Anotheronedown]

If this happens let me know!Up to Jon I guess

[Danimal Forth]

Once the club gets their $20 out of the $41, it never has mattered to them before if the girl danced all 3 songs or sat for 2.I've had dances with many of the new girls and even the very first dance a few times. And I've seem them getting yelled at for everything you can imagine, especially for dancing for all three songs.

The girls get tired of this crap and it's just one of the reasons they leave.

The management probably shouldn't care, but my experience is that they do very much!

[AmanteDeLatina]

I just found out from another review site that Cherry from BM got fired. Someone else went to the club and asked for her and a dancer told him he was fired. When he asked why they told him that she was giving extra dances to people. That is bad because I had been there hundreds of times in the past just like Danimal said they always dance for the three songs. If this is all true that she got fired for this I hope she finds a different club with better management that has clear rules as to how much to charge and when to dance and when not.

I guess I was wrong about one other thing too. Robert is not the big black man that works the evening. I guess he is the general manager and he works the morning. I got mixed up because Mario was referring to the manager Robert saying that Robert had done all of these things and I assumed he meant the big black guy that was trying to extort money from me. I was wrong about that I guess. Avoid the big black man that works the evening shifts at BM, not Robert then.

[Jerikson40]

I don't know, Tempe Jon. It's not looking too good for you. You need to get your facts straight before you go trashing people online or else you come off looking like just another loon or jealous boyfriend or something.

Maybe we'll just write this one off to a bad night all around and move on.

[NiceTime]

First time to a PHX strip Club. Candy Store was close to resort. A couple of 8's, a couple of 4's. The 4 said she was high millage in VIP. I did not good. Ask on the the 8's she said nothing but a little more than air. I think if I stayed longer I may have found a little high millage with an 8. A cutie wanted to give me digits was leaving town that night. I had a difficult time finding a massage parlor. Any suggestions for next trip.

[Jonesy47]

I went to Cheetahs on Saturday night around 11 pm. It was my first time there. My bro had just got his refund and was in the mood to have a good time. We hit a few bars but was empty, think it was due to Easter weekend and everyone trying to be good. Went to Cheetahs and looks packed to me, but found out it was kind of slow. My friend was going crazy and ordered drinks. He disappeared then came back with Jessica a mixed brown very cute girl. He bought me a dance and she was amazing, then he came back and said that he got her to agree to see her later after she got off her shift. For the 2 of us, he told me an would meet us at a hotel. I was like WTF I don't like to share and with a good friend no way. My private life is my private life. So things didn't work out due to my friend and his over Aggressiveness. He Obviously didn't know the nuances of what you have a deal made you keep it cool and quiet, he kept badgering her and got her turned off. I didn't want to step in and take over because, different worlds. So kept quiet, even though it could've happen, and what I heard about $ I would try on my own. Idk if she was Serious or not but seemed pretty legit.

She was very cute Latina, tall with a good smile, small be's bit if had enhancements, would be awesome.

[Massage Dream]

This is the club in Glendale. I have gone a few times during the day, only once at night. No cover during the day, night I think is $4 or $6 but not extreme and they don't make you buy drinks day or night. Mon-Wed. A chair / table dance is only $5, I have not done one because I prefer the couches $10. Domestic, draft beer is only $2, bottle I think is $2. 75 so the drink prices are fantastic for a club. They have a slightly more private VIP "room" that will cost you $20 for the room (that is all day with any girl) then $20 per song to the girl. Most of the girls are pretty sweet and down to earth, the ones that just come up and say "want a dance?" tend to not last long. One hot little spinner I couldn't resist trying a dance with. Our first dance she stopped and asked me if I was going to buy her a drink! I said "no I am not thirsty right now". Wow, I can understand AFTER the dance. Not during the first one ever with her. It was the last.

As for the others there are so many that really are sweet, will talk to you for a bit before asking and seem like genuinely nice ladies. Some give fantastic dances, some not so great. A good variety of ladies too, I have seen all shapes, sizes and colors, I like them all so it doesn't matter much to me. For some reason what attracts me can change instantly without warning.

I heard that at night they have a VIP room upstairs that is more private. I think it is $275, but not sure.

During the day I feel really safe there. There is nothing too near it other then a landfill, yet it is close to the 101 and the stadium.

[Massage Dream]

Cabaret.

This place is near Luke AFB. Only stopped in during the day once or twice. Usually just a few locals sitting at the bar chatting and one or two girls sitting with them. Once in a while they pop up on stage when someone new comes in. Otherwise it seems the customers just want to sit, chat and get a dance once in a while. I think the chair dances are $5 and the slightly more private couches are $20. Kind of a steep jump. I was not impressed with the ladies the first few times I went based on looks, not personality (they were really nice) , then one day a 20ish girl was working. She was really a sweetheart and gave a very sensual dance on the couches. She is very sexy. The place has such a dive bar appearance that you kind of just have to go once in your life.

[Zoo TV]

I just found out from another review site that Cherry from BM got fired. Someone else went to the club and asked for her and a dancer told him he was fired. When he asked why they told him that she was giving extra dances to people. That is bad because I had been there hundreds of times in the past just like Danimal said they always dance for the three songs. If this is all true that she got fired for this I hope she finds a different club with better management that has clear rules as to how much to charge and when to dance and when not.

I guess I was wrong about one other thing too. Robert is not the big black man that works the evening. I guess he is the general manager and he works the morning. I got mixed up because Mario was referring to the manager Robert saying that Robert had done all of these things and I assumed he meant the big black guy that was trying to extort money from me. I was wrong about that I guess. Avoid the big black man that works the evening shifts at BM, not Robert then.I use to do ****. Net and usasexguide. Com but they have shut down. Which other sites are there? Thanks in advance.

[Dsprdo]

This is the club in Glendale. I have gone a few times during the day, only once at night. No cover during the day, night I think is $4 or $6 but not extreme and they don't make you buy drinks day or night. Mon-Wed. A chair / table dance is only $5, I have not done one because I prefer the couches $10. Domestic, draft beer is only $2, bottle I think is $2. 75 so the drink prices are fantastic for a club. They have a slightly more private VIP "room" that will cost you $20 for the room (that is all day with any girl) then $20 per song to the girl. Most of the girls are pretty sweet and down to earth, the ones that just come up and say "want a dance?" tend to not last long. One hot little spinner I couldn't resist trying a dance with. Our first dance she stopped and asked me if I was going to buy her a drink! I said "no I am not thirsty right now". Wow, I can understand AFTER the dance. Not during the first one ever with her. It was the last.

As for the others there are so many that really are sweet, will talk to you for a bit before asking and seem like genuinely nice ladies. Some give fantastic dances, some not so great. A good variety of ladies too, I have seen all shapes, sizes and colors, I like them all so it doesn't matter much to me. For some reason what attracts me can change instantly without warning.

I heard that at night they have a VIP room upstairs that is more private. I think it is $275, but not sure.

During the day I feel really safe there. There is nothing too near it other then a landfill, yet it is close to the 101 and the stadium.I live in the west valley and have been there a few times. I don't go to clubs all that often, but was bored and passing by a while back. The girls do seem laidback and friendly, and never seen any trouble there. Arranged some takeout once, but it wasn't a great experience once we were alone, too many rules and too much clock watching. I cut it short and gave her a tip for her time, not the full amount we had discussed ($.5)

[AmanteDeLatina]

I sent you a pm. The forum has rules against posting other sites on the board which is why your post had that site censored.


I use to do ****. Net and usasexguide. Com but they have shut down. Which other sites are there? Thanks in advance.

[Kujo69]

Apparently 910 Live Nightclub in Tempe (202 & McClintock) is now Elite Cabaret. I was driving by today and there are signs up saying "now open". I know they've been trying to get a club open there for years, I wasn't aware they had succeeded. Anyone been?

[Higgs Boson]

I've made fewer club visits over the past couple of months and the visits I've made have been typically disappointing. In other words, I've saved lots of money.

A couple of months ago I ran into a hot dancer at Stilettos / Teasers: slim, beautifully shaped 'B' cup breasts. Headed for the back couch and soon found that most, well, actually all of her was off-limits for touching.

On a couple of later visits to Stilettos I discovered I had achieved total invisibility to the typical club dancer. I thought I made eye-contact multiple times but, no, I was invisible. Maybe I should have created paper-chains of $20 bills and hung them around my neck to make it easier for them to see me.

Cheetahs. I wish I could visit this club the same time as Tyler. Nothing happens when I show up. The last time was about three weeks ago on a Saturday evening, and all the dancers were sitting at two tables on the main floor. One at a time they were called to take the stage. After a couple of songs they returned to the tables.

Bandaids. It just doesn't have the same old magic. One complication is the fact that my ATF is just plain burned-out and probably needs an extended vacation. There are a couple of dancers who do OK but maybe I'm just jaded. (Yes, I should visit during the day and especially Friday but I just can't fit that in my schedule.)

Christies' Tempe. Still can't get excited about the place. The sterility of the large cavernous space is second only to Jaquar's Gold. Most of the dancers also have fake breasts which is a big minus for me.

Speaking of fake breasts, I had conversations with a couple of massive boob dancers in the past couple of months. One specifically got the augmentation to meet the demands of working at Bourbon Street. That's no surprise to anyone here. The second dancer is a recent fugitive from Centerfolds who claims the new 'general manager' was 'ruining everything' at the club. Said many dancers were leaving. If you have a favorite dancer there, you might want to make contact before she flees.

Be careful of taxi driver recommendations: If you didn't already know, some clubs give payouts to taxi drivers. The Candy Store pays a modest $5 to drivers delivering customers. Dream Palace pays $10. I was shocked to find out that Southwest Attractions, a 'modeling' establishment, on E. Illini, actually pays cab drivers $50 for each passenger. You did not mis-read this, it's no typo and there is no missing decimal point. If they're willing to pay out that kind of money to cab drivers, you can imagine what they expect to get out of the customers.

Club additions and changes: just east of 16th Street on McDowell there is a new place called Badda Bing and the sign says it's a 'gentlemens club'. The building was previously called the Recovery Room (intended audience unknown) and before that it was a strip club for gays. I haven't been inside the building in any of its incarnations. As noted by another here, there is a new place in Tempe, the Elite Cabaret on McClintock. Incidentally, this place is owned and managed by the same people who run the Dream Palace. Just that association says 'stay away'. Yes, they too are offering rewards to cab drivers.

For me, the local strip club scene has hit a serious slump. It's gotten bad enough I'm thinking of some international adventures. It's time to renew my passport.

Higgs

[Riffraff26]

Anyone been to BM in the last couple of weeks? Seemed like there was some shady stuff going on there. Is it still worth the trip?

[TylerPerelli]

Higgs,

My success rate at the clubs has taken a dive. That could be due to being away for some time with work and snowbird visitors demanding my time.

Also, I had a trip to Cabo San Lucas. Will be posting a report on the international site in the near future.

Had an offer from A2 at Cheetahs the other day. Even negotiated a double with her and a waitress that doesn't dance. They took too long deciding, then tried to uprate just as we finally were ready. I bounced. They lost the deal just being greedy and trying for an extra 20 roses each (which I may have tipped them anyway after the fun).

The activity at the clubs seems to have slowed.

Saw a former BM favorite is now at Bandaids.

Going to check out Elite? Tempe soon. Happy mongering to all.

[DavePHX]

Been while and wanted womens body to hold. But not spend a lot of time or money and I have somewhat tired of the strip club scene as I age.

Arrived about 2:15 am nude side which I find usually faster to be approached than the big side since I have no interest in the stage dancing or drinks and seem to be more invisible. The smaller nude side for me is much easier to make contacts. Too often the main side I feel like Higg's saying," should have created paper-chains of $20 bills and hung them around my neck to make it easier for them to see me."

Lots of attractive gals as always.

Had dances with two dancers both have worked at Christes one more my type of intimacy but enjoyed both.

Regarding the new manager that some gals do not like and left, but both dancers tonight get along OK with him.

Left about 3am. For a Saturday night not as busy as I have seen it and one dancer said very slow. But maybe they all say that to get your sympathy!

I wore a black shirt that has some grey striping (matching black slacks). One gal said she had to tell me I shirt reminded her of beattlejuice? (I have to look up). And another dancer I didn't dance with asked if I was a referee. So maybe that is my alternative to $20's around my neck!

Maybe this is a key to get more dancers to approach you. Wear something odd.

[Newbie80]

Been while and wanted womens body to hold. But not spend a lot of time or money and I have somewhat tired of the strip club scene as I age.

Arrived about 2:15 am nude side which I find usually faster to be approached than the big side since I have no interest in the stage dancing or drinks and seem to be more invisible. The smaller nude side for me is much easier to make contacts. Too often the main side I feel like Higg's saying," should have created paper-chains of $20 bills and hung them around my neck to make it easier for them to see me."

Lots of attractive gals as always.

Had dances with two dancers both have worked at Christes one more my type of intimacy but enjoyed both.

Regarding the new manager that some gals do not like and left, but both dancers tonight get along OK with him.

Left about 3am. For a Saturday night not as busy as I have seen it and one dancer said very slow. But maybe they all say that to get your sympathy!

I wore a black shirt that has some grey striping (matching black slacks). One gal said she had to tell me I shirt reminded her of beattlejuice? (I have to look up). And another dancer I didn't dance with asked if I was a referee. So maybe that is my alternative to $20's around my neck!

Maybe this is a key to get more dancers to approach you. Wear something odd.Dave you sounded a bit depressed on your previous post man. I don't think wearing anything clownish has anything to do anything with it. You just have to wear a big ass smile, that's all. Women can pick up on that moody stuff right away, maybe you were giving off a bad vibe, so they were scared of approaching you?

I went to bandaids last night (Friday night). I wanted to practice some of the stage side etiquette stuff I've been reading about (a dollar per song, bla bla bla). After the girl was done on-stage (Latin American babe, kinda chubby, but that's how I like them) she sat next to me and started chatting, I liked her so I got a couple of dances from her, She was sweating like a pig, it was funny, she kept apologizing about it it, didn't get her name. After she left some blond babe spotted me from the other side of the bar, walked across and sat straight on my lap, (I tried not to make eye contact, but she wouldn't have any of it) started chatting and again I got a couple of dances from her, I think I'm in love LOL. Again didn't get a name but I definitely want to go back there to see her again.

I was in a bit of shit mood when I walked in there. I had just left a bar and was pissed, because I was approaching people (I've been reading books like 0761149465 and 007141858X) and making new friends, and for some stupid reason I decided to talk to this fat ugly ***** that was sitting all by herself, it didn't go well, but I just brushed it off and decided I'll never ever approach an ugly fatty again. These stripper babes have experienced what happened to me tonight hundreds, if not thousands of times before and know exactly what type of body cues to look for in order to have a higher probability of success when approaching us.

I decided to go to bandaids to lick my wounds. It went really well.

Anyway. When you dave and I went to the highlighter, the dancer where swarming us. I think it was because all the positive energy we where radiating. It's just a theory, I might be wrong. Tyler seems to be the master here, maybe we should go to the club with him and learn from the master LOL.

Oh by the way I drove around aimlessly on Friday night, that new place you mentioned seemed to have very little business going on. I'll check it out next week, and cheetahs was fucking packed. I'll also check it out next week also. Tyler, I'm a newb, dancers encourage me to get all touchy mcfeely but I'm too chicken shit to do it, I need some jedi night training. Please hang out with me and teach me LOL.

I"m hella drunk, please don't ban me.

[RZM1231]

Hello fellows,

I'm new to the forum so if you see anything that its wrong or frowned on please let me know,

I visited the BM on Sat around 11pm, I have been to the place a few times before and mostly I enjoy it, I usually sit on the couches by the stage and see who starts dancing, if I see a girl I like I sit by the stage and give her one or two singles to start, I normally throw in more singles depending on how she does but never more then 6 total, they dance 3 songs the first in their current outfit. 2nd they lose the top and 3rd the bottom. I was approached first by my regular girl, sexy little latina with a firm set, fake but very nice, she's friendly and if she likes you she delivers, so I am and she always takes care of me, but since she came up to me as soon as I sat down I told her that I would get a dance from her but not right away she knows me pretty well so she was very cool about it, then I got approached by a slim Mexican girl, total cutie, small set but very firm, sexy long legs and a nice firm posterior, she look like a sexy innocent school girl, had dances from her before and she lets me roam but won't play with the package or allow you to play with hers, so since I was already planning to have my usual I politely turned her down, saw a few more girls on stage then sexy latina came by again to ask if I was ready, and I was, to reiterate, she took care of me. I never drop more than a Franklin here and I always leave satisfied, the place is a bit ghetto, not a very nice part of Phx, but most of the girls are very cool, I rate the girls as about 40% are Bs. 10% As, and the other 50% Cs or lower but there is ethnic variety, always a plus for me but to each its own the only thing they seem to lack are asian girls, or maybe they are there on different days, the dances are expensive (41, 21 / house and 20 / girl) but I notice that the more you get the girls to like you the better it'll be.

Thanks for reading.

P. S. I'll try to hit the new Tempe place, Elite, sometime this month and write a report.

[BonAppetit]

Every time I've gone to a strip club it's been with other people. On this board I keep hearing about all of the extras that some strippers offer but I've never seen anything like that. A while ago I used to go to some clubs in Tucson to get some VIP dances and there was some lite mutual touching through the clothes but nothing else. What am I missing out on?

[ChanceMeeting]

Went to Christie's in Tempe on Friday night looking for Bridgit, who I had seen before and enjoyed my time with. Arrived around 9:00PM, Vanessa the waitress remembered me and took care of me all night, very good waitress and hot enough to work the stage if she wanted. Sat along the back wall and got some good dances from Juliana while waiting, at around ten Vanessa let me know that Bridgit wasn't working that night. Ended up getting several high-mileage dances on the floor with Rebecca, who seems like she'd be a go-er in the VIP room. Also got some dances from Sasha, nice high mileage as well. Lots of very attractive women there, but I was in the mood to be picky and ended up leaving at around midnight.

[TylerPerelli]

Stopped by Elite, which finally had a quite a few customers and a quite a few dancers. Grand Opening launch is next month?

On previous visits, they were nearly vacant. Hot dancers, yet know that many come from Dream Palace. Hence, they try to get you to spend money on a private dance in the cabanas. Considering there will be SOME touching and you can buy a block of time versus twenty a dance, this may work for some. Didn't try it out, yet figured it would be an expensive tease in my case. Guess I have been spoiled by being able to bend and even break rules in VIP settings. Not much sucess anywhere lately though.

Stopped into Bandaids. Not liking the DL reader machine. This old standby isn't cutting it for me lately.

Went to Cheetah's at 1:30, where they still tried to extort a ten dollar cover with only a half hour before closing. Armed guards in the parking lot looking like the federallies (sp?) you see in Mexico. This club continues to disappoint in the way it is run and managed.

Would like to catch up with some fellow mongers for a strip club tour some time soon.

[MrSaxaphone]

Been using this site for my national travels and exploits for a couple of years and decided it's time to start giving back. This is my home base and I usually lie low locally but I have found the Blue Moon to be a decent experience from time to time. It can also be bad, but I've never had an experience like the recent issue with the night manager and Cherry. It's been a few weeks, has anyone been there at night since? Is that manager still around? I'm a day shift guy myself and have always gotten a friendly reaction from Robert but that is total BS and don't want to go if there is a chance of something like that happening again. I got played similarly in Vegas about a year ago and the experience wasn't good. I just tried to get out before being beat up.

I prefer the petite girls like Princess and Kiwi and tend to stay away from the chunky hispanic ones. It's the chunky that bothers me, not the hispanic.

Does anyone know if Bubbles still works there? She was a bit on the pudgy side but knew how to make me happy with just $41. 00. I haven't seen her in a while.

[Reallly Bored]

As far as I know, bubbles has moved out of the state. She was cute.


Been using this site for my national travels and exploits for a couple of years and decided it's time to start giving back. This is my home base and I usually lie low locally but I have found the Blue Moon to be a decent experience from time to time. It can also be bad, but I've never had an experience like the recent issue with the night manager and Cherry. It's been a few weeks, has anyone been there at night since? Is that manager still around? I'm a day shift guy myself and have always gotten a friendly reaction from Robert but that is total BS and don't want to go if there is a chance of something like that happening again. I got played similarly in Vegas about a year ago and the experience wasn't good. I just tried to get out before being beat up.

I prefer the petite girls like Princess and Kiwi and tend to stay away from the chunky hispanic ones. It's the chunky that bothers me, not the hispanic.

Does anyone know if Bubbles still works there? She was a bit on the pudgy side but knew how to make me happy with just $41. 00. I haven't seen her in a while.

[Redbull1]

I'm actually posting this review as I sit at the bar. About six girls on, haven't tested out any of them yet because I'm swimming in the dollar drafts. I know y'all want to hear about the girls, but for an amazing spot to day drink I think I just found paradise. I will follow up with a review of the talent shortly, it seems latina heavy as far as surface level goes.

[Slacker30]

I had some business to take care of near there, and the person I went to see was busy for a bit, so I decided to check out BM. Chalkboard outside said 8 girls, so I went for it. At about 3:45 walked in, paid my $10 only to find one customer. Girl asked me what I wanted to drink and now I see drinks are now $1, and not included in the cover. I gave her $2 and she gave Robert one of them (I didn't know Robert had been at BM 23 almost 24 years). The perks must be good.

A bunch of really young dancers, none particularly appealing. I bought a dance from a little thicker latina dancer with a cute face named A. Gave her 61 and she asked me what the other 20 was for, and I said for good service. She performed a lubeless HJ, did not allow FIV, and when I asked about lotion she asked if she could use saliva. Took 2 sets to get off and out the door I went. About 5 customers then.

She was nice enough, but all one is going to get in BM is a HJ, some better than others, some girls allow FIV and some don't. They have twice as many bottles of hand sanitizer and rolls of paper towels around now. The outside of the building is finally done, but the floors and chairs still need replacing.

I just don't think it's worth it anymore. I'd rather go to a massage parlor for FS, and a topless club just to chill and hopefully get some contact mutual touch dances from several dancers who hopefully are a lot older and well kept, while I enjoy a real drink.

[Vanderbilt22]

I was at Bandaids a few weeks ago and became frustrated by something. I later forgot about it until now, and have decided to post about it because I consider it vital information. So I was at the club, getting a few lap dances in the back. The dancers were ok, and the mileage wasn't especially high. Thinking that the dances seemed to be shorter than they were in the past, I betrayed my inner nerd by retreating to the bar and timing the next few dances with my watch. It turned out about as I expected. The dances had been cut from 3 minutes to 2 minutes.

This really irritated me for some reason. There wasn't any hint of a dancer appreciation night or anything weird like that, so I can only assume that they cut the dance length time in an attempt to make more money. Shortening the dances actually adds up through time if you think about it. While $100 was previously good for 30 minutes or so of dancing, that same $100 will only get you 20 minutes nowadays. Now, the very best dancers at Bandaids still give pretty high mileage dances, so some of you guys might still think it's worth it.

Anyway, just giving you a heads-up and wondering if anyone else noticed the same thing. This was about a month ago. I may go this weekend to see if things are still the same. As many people have said, Bandaids has begun to go downhill a bit. I think if the 2-minute dances are indeed permanent, I'll have to find a new place to go regularly.

[Roadwarrior98]

I'm actually posting this review as I sit at the bar. About six girls on, haven't tested out any of them yet because I'm swimming in the dollar drafts. I know y'all want to hear about the girls, but for an amazing spot to day drink I think I just found paradise. I will follow up with a review of the talent shortly, it seems latina heavy as far as surface level goes.ABC (topless) side is actually pretty good during the day. Drinks are hard to beat and it seems they have a new crop of girls for the casual visitors. Most girls are pretty kewl and do a great dance. I am more of a regular and have my little honey I only stick with. $5 table dance and $10 VIP.

[Higgs Boson]

Last Saturday I decided to check out some clubs.

I dropped into Badda Bing, located at about 18th St and McDowell. It was shortly after their 9 PM opening. The place is small and nicely decorated in a very understated way. I pulled up to the bar and the barmaid asked me what non-alcoholic beverage I'the like. The club is new and the alcohol license has been applied for but still pending. They hope to have license within a couple of months. Meanwhile, the club is 18+ for admittance. From 9 PM until 11 PM there's only one dancer but gour more dancers were scheduled to arrive at 11 PM. I liked the slim dancer who was there during my visit and I hope she's representative of the rest of the dancers. I stayed only long enough to drink my fake beer but put a five spot on the stage to show my appreciation. Told them I'the be back.

Next up was Christie's on 32nd St. What a disappointment. In this case, there was a shortage of dancers. Attendance in general must be down because the seating areas furthest from the main stage were roped off. I fended off one dancer with fake boobs, saying I was waiting for the arrival of my drink special and, after that, there were no dancers circulating on the main floor. The few dancers were sitting with customers.

Decided to check out Le Girls on Washington. The dancers here are desperate. I was approached at the bar by one and I was presented with only a choice of the VIP room. No thanks. Later a hotter dancer offered a dance and she was leading me to a set of cushioned booths. I asked, 'Is this a $10 / dance area? ' Her reply: 'I don't do $10 dances. ' I declined. She may have meant her dances were $20 in quality but it didn't come across that way. Unfortunately, while waiting for the "Princess" to come off stage, I politely declined an even hotter dancer but I hope she remembers me for the tip I gave her. Dropped by club's nude section before I left the club. Not much happening there either.

Finally, I entered the Hi Liter about Midnight. There wasn't an empty seat except one at the bar. I was soon enticed to 'the wall' by a dancer and we had a little problem a finding seat. Finally, we saw one and I was in for a very nice experience. Soon afterward I met a dancer who, was not only a charmer, but had a kissable butt I really liked. Finished the evening with dances by a blonde with a / b breasts who puts on a nice show even after the 1 AM 'cover 'them'.

Higgs

[Danimal Forth]

I was at Bandaids a few weeks ago.I betrayed my inner nerd by retreating to the bar and timing the next few dances with my watch. It turned out about as I expected. The dances had been cut from 3 minutes to 2 minutes.I have definitely noticed that some of the songs seemed really short but I'm not sure it's all of them. It annoys me when they have the songs fade out in the middle just to get a uniform length and I haven't noticed them doing that at Bandaids.

They shouldn't ever be using songs that short though. I'll have to pay more attention.

[El Kapitan]

I stopped into Bandaids first about 1030 pm Sunday. $5 for VIP parking, no cover. 1 girl was 6-7 the rest were 2-4's. Lot of larger girls which is not my cup of tea. Bailed after about 15 min.

Dropped into Hiliters based on the boards reviews. $5 cover. $10 at table and $25 for VIP. I thought VIP was $20 so not sure if it was a scam? Lots of girls with good mix of black, latina, white. Didn't "feel it" so didn't do any VIP dances although board reviews suggest good mileage can be had with the right girl.

I may try again Tues night and Wed day if anyone has suggestions.

I spend most of my time overseas where tantra massage is legal and popular so strip clubs have lost a lot of luster. No desire to get caught up in a bust though at "home" so.

EK

[MrSaxaphone]

I'm usually a daytime customer but last Thursday I went to see the shift change between 5 and 7. The quality of dancers seemed better than usual (on both shifts) but the mileage was definitely down. Took 3 girls to even get my finger wet and that one wanted a tip. The girls were young and firm though, not as pudgy and sloppy as some of the high mileage ones, so I guess you can't have everything. Many of the girls were new. Less than 2 months. It seems there is a lot of turnover lately.

[MrSaxaphone]

I was at Bandaids a few weeks ago and became frustrated by something. I later forgot about it until now, and have decided to post about it because I consider it vital information. So I was at the club, getting a few lap dances in the back. The dancers were ok, and the mileage wasn't especially high. Thinking that the dances seemed to be shorter than they were in the past, I betrayed my inner nerd by retreating to the bar and timing the next few dances with my watch. It turned out about as I expected. The dances had been cut from 3 minutes to 2 minutes.

This really irritated me for some reason. There wasn't any hint of a dancer appreciation night or anything weird like that, so I can only assume that they cut the dance length time in an attempt to make more money. Shortening the dances actually adds up through time if you think about it. While $100 was previously good for 30 minutes or so of dancing, that same $100 will only get you 20 minutes nowadays. Now, the very best dancers at Bandaids still give pretty high mileage dances, so some of you guys might still think it's worth it.

Anyway, just giving you a heads-up and wondering if anyone else noticed the same thing. This was about a month ago. I may go this weekend to see if things are still the same. As many people have said, Bandaids has begun to go downhill a bit. I think if the 2-minute dances are indeed permanent, I'll have to find a new place to go regularly.Hopefully this isn't happening because it's the rule of thumb in all the LA clubs and noticed it at BM since the remodel.

[Slacker30]

I'm usually a daytime customer but last Thursday I went to see the shift change between 5 and 7. The quality of dancers seemed better than usual (on both shifts) but the mileage was definitely down. Took 3 girls to even get my finger wet and that one wanted a tip. The girls were young and firm though, not as pudgy and sloppy as some of the high mileage ones, so I guess you can't have everything. Many of the girls were new. Less than 2 months. It seems there is a lot of turnover lately.I was there last Thursday. Left probably a 1/2 hour before you got there. Disappointed in the day shift. The one girl I had, Alexandra was curvier, pretty and friendly, but no FIV. You're right, lots of new girls, old ones gone. I don't think I'll be going back.

[Dick North]

I seldom report on the strip clubs. I have some faves but choose not to divulge the details.

Christies today during the lunch hour had maybe 4 patrons. The front door was backed into by a disgruntled patron according to the front desk chick. The manager later told me the guy was drunk.

OK, doesn't really matter, what matters as I described to the manager is that you don't have any business. I said that this club needs to add a more diverse list of girls. Cripes, even the high rollers like different 'flavors'.

I remember years ago seeing some of the Phoenix Suns players in there. That is the class they are trying to attract but is not proving to be a successful business model especially with the current economy.

At least not during the day.

My 2 cents worth.

DN

[Slacker30]

I seldom report on the strip clubs. I have some faves but choose not to divulge the details.

Christies today during the lunch hour had maybe 4 patrons. The front door was backed into by a disgruntled patron according to the front desk chick. The manager later told me the guy was drunk.

OK, doesn't really matter, what matters as I described to the manager is that you don't have any business. I said that this club needs to add a more diverse list of girls. Cripes, even the high rollers like different 'flavors'.

I remember years ago seeing some of the Phoenix Suns players in there. That is the class they are trying to attract but is not proving to be a successful business model especially with the current economy.

At least not during the day.

My 2 cents worth.

DNI drive by there frequently. It is dead. How can a club that used to be so popular lose so much popularity?

The high roller days of strip clubs are over. Guys want a fun place to kick it and experience a variety of girls and good contact dances. Not daytime cover charges, outrageous nighttime cover, huge upsells, strict rules, not diverse enough hiring, and a nose up in the air attitude.

Just drove by Bandaids this afternoon. Busy parking lot as usual. Taking mom to the doctor, didn't think she'd want to come in Bandaids with me and watch the show. Why are Bandaids and Hi-Liter consistently busy day and night, and clubs like Christies and Babes so slow? Christie's has dug it's own grave.

[Slacker30]

Had a chance to visit yesterday around 4 PM. My last visit on a Saturday afternoon, which I posted in detail, was off the chain. This time my vibes weren't as good. Was asked for ID at the door and was patted down. That typically doesn't happen on day shift.

A little less business, although a diverse crowd. LOTS of girls. Maybe 30 or so. That creates an irritating experience IMO as you are constantly hounded for dances. Took at least 10 minutes for the waitress to come around, but a $3 Dos Equis was a good deal.

Estrella stopped by sporting her usual slingshot, but I passed this time. Took up Olivia a cute slender Latina for a dance and she immediately told me to get up. I thought she was leading me to the last chair on the south wall by VIP, but VIP was her intention. She said everything goes there. I said I don't want VIP let's test you out here. Did 2 dances in the last wall seat. She rubbed up the leg and provided decent friction. I decided to take her up on 2 songs in VIP, but besides a little dick brushing and rubbing up my shorts in a teasing way, that was it. The waitress took my beer from the VIP table, and I said enough and left.

I did not notice the songs being any shorter as another member said. They seemed about the same length to me. The DJ kept announcing to tip the dancers. That is a sign that the business is off, maybe because the winter visitors are finally gone. Harder hustle by the girls because the clientele is more cautious with the money, and too many dancers, and only certain ones making money.

[DavePHX]

Bada Bing Gentlemens Club.

(Use to be gay club than Diva's then Showclub (maybe missing a few between)

1702 E McDowell Phx Az 85006 (602) 368-4391.

Open till 5AM (non alchohol)

http://badabinggentlemensclub.com/

Owner: https://www.facebook.com/xxxxxxxxx (is his full name so guess have to delete even though very public)

Arrive about 1:30 AM. Looks like really nice remodel although I haven't been in here since about 15 years ago when it was Showclub with really nice manager I still know (Greg who now owns Eves Tease) but terrible women owner Joan.

Lighting was good (not too dark) and music (I call noise) not as blaring as most clubs.

All. 3. Dancers quite attractive, believe Bee Bee Hispanic and the other two seemed. What is the correct term. Non Hispanic, non Asian, non African American. The rest of us word? White?

And 3 customers besides me.

1 Hispanic guy getting lots of first table dances than "wall dances" with stripped shirt that looked like prison strips (and me with my verticle greyish tribes that makes me look like a referr as one dancer said at another club)

2) His buddy at table.

3) A bit large women in almost matching black / white stripped dress also got wall dance!

$10 cover charge and 1 drink minimum (had water for $3 since no diet coke or Pepsi.

Nice hostess. Attractive dancers

Bee Bee started nice chat with me, commented on my soft hands but had to go on stage quickly but said she would be back. But after dance she disappeared in back and when I left she was on her way to her car.

A few no dancer on stage songs since 2 of 3 doing wall dances and now 2 of 2.

Nice manager came over and started nice chat with me. He knew the old history of the club and a different Greg now owns it, opened 5 weeks.

I got into a discussion with him assuring him I wasn't a cop and my background (representing Stevi Secrets at owners meetings etc) and discussed rules on contact. Basically no contact which confirmed what I saw from the wall dances, the dancers were quite full contact but both customers (man and women) had hands at side all the time and no contact. Manager (I assume he was) said that is why they get the "hottest dancers" and be sure the rules are enforced.

Nice club, but of course I have no interest staying- on to my most reliable for what I enjoy. Centerfolds after 2AM. My 2nd choice (or 1st) is Hi-Liter but not after 1AM since for some odd reason can't be topless after 1 (only club that I know of that does this).

[DavePHX]

5/10/13. Actually 5/11 2:15AM after Bada Bing Club.

I have given up on the regular side. While I have met some great dancers, its mostly frustrating "not being approached" and am totally bored since no real interest in drinking or just gawking. Often have better "attraction" results on the nude side after 2am. Almost all dancers here very attractive in my old eyes (prefer slimmer and not large fake breasts). Only downside is high $20 entry fee. Dances $20 same as in other side VIP but without the VIP $20 entrance fee. So about the same. I wish Centerfolds had free entry coupons on web like Bandaid; s (I will never go back to) , Hi-Liter and a few others.

Very few customers for a Friday night.

Quickly approached by Mercedes who recognized my referee looking shirt. My theory is wearing same shirt more likely that dancers might recognize me (if I want them to) since I have very poor memory. As I agreed to a dance I recalled her from last time. As before nice young gal, nice body, commented on my great massage / touch and a bit less wild before but 3 on my intimacy scale. Just one dance.

Soon after Kaylie with a K not H. Liked her "I'm bored" approach and started a conversation with me standing at the rail by the stage. Love her face, eyes and smile. So friendly and immediately when shakes hands asks about my soft hands. What do I do etc. Had nice discussion including lack of usual Friday night crowd and she says less busy after the winter visitor season. Then off we went to favorite couch (immediate right side vs back). Notes she has to be careful walking to it since floor has bump can fall over on with heels noting the nude side was added on to the main building. She has danced her 4 years but usually on the "other side".

OK. WONDERFUL, intimate, looking into eyes, cuddling dance. My type with her great intimacy response the way I enjoy it vs wild thrashing types. She said best dances ever had (yah they tell all that?). But I know with right responsive dancer I get great comments. A 4++ on my intimacy scale (highest 5 rare). Only minor negative was rather large breasts (but personality and intimacy more than made up for it. I prefer B or C natural and love to massage them (and often great response. I have taught Esalen massage for couples etc)

Satisfied with a great experience left about 2:45AM or so

[Slacker30]

Visited this club last night. For those of you who haven't been here, this is the current make it rain, booty shaking club in the valley. Lot's of girls, all black and latina, about 30-40 or so dancers. Very busy. Lots of male and female patrons, the females dressed nice and most were hot, kind of like a strip club and night club combined.

Didn't partake in any dances, but it was kind of cool to just stand back and watch the booties, (many dancers were good looking) , and not be hassled about buying dances.

A slower weeknight maybe Wednesday or Thursday may be a good time to come here and check out the dances.

[Anotheronedown]

Stopped by Saturday night around 9, oddly enough there were about 20 dancers, but not many customers. I guess a club just opened up in the east valley. Anyways, nice blonde 1, with big jugs, not a lot of mileage in the VIP, wanted a big tip for more. Pass. Little Asian with dyed red hair. Very nice VIP, but lack of any boobs is a downer for just grope action.

Seems like band aids is on the downward path,

[Danimal Forth]

I walked into Bandaids on early Saturday to see a lot of new faces and a lot of girls who aren't normally around at that time of day. Overall it seemed busy too.

Hadn't seen Susie for a few weeks but she was there again.

There's a new, young filipina named Ella who had been at Essex until last week.

There's another new Thai girl who went by Lala. I should also mention that Jessie should be back in about a month after recovery from a few cosmetic procedures.

Both of the Asian girls are thin and seem really tall, at least with heels. Ella even made a comment about how little room there is onstage.

Back around December there was very pretty girl (think 9 or 10) on late Friday afternoons. I don't even know if she was day or night shift and I haven't seen her in a long time. It's likely that I didn't catch the right name but I thought it might be Joanna.

I really don't prefer body art but she had a fairly well done tattoo on her right hip and abdomen: I want to say it might have been a leopard pattern. It fit the contours of her body very nicely though I would still argue that she was messing up a perfect body.

Sound familiar to anybody?

[TempeDude]

I was at BM around 3 pm on Tuesday and the place was pretty much dead. I had seen this one girl for quite some time for private dances and for the first time she refused to give HJ. Her excuse was "I am trying to not to promote the activities to new girls." Well. That's it for me as far as visiting BM during the day. Has anyone had different experience with day time girls? I will be trying night time girls soon but any input would be nice. If you want to know more about who this girl is PM me and I will share her name with you. Please share your favorite girls' names who will give excellent dance with me. Thanks.

[Higgs Boson]

In past months the Rebel forces faced disaster and defeat at every turn. Cold and scheming dancers, empty strip clubs, and difficult management are only the highlights of previous episodes.

Finally, some reasons for optimism:

Names of dancers and clubs are concealed to protect the truly naughty.

I dropped by a club I hadn't visited for awhile so there were some familiar and also new dancers. I fended off the dancers with fake boobs and things were looking somewhat dismal. Then a new dancer appeared near my place at the bar. She was wearing a 'barely there' thong and a skimpy bikini style top supporting her B natural breasts. One of my favorite outfits for dancers. We locked eyes and she glided over to my chair at the bar. She asked. 'Do you like chocolate? ' 'Yes, I do. ' (not mentioning I like all flavors). A minute later we headed over to a discrete location on the lounge floor for some hot dances. By the second song she began to talk about a 'better' time. 'Uh oh' I thought, here comes the VIP area upsell. Into the third song it became clear that she was talking about taking our experience outside the club. 'When? ', I asked. 'How about right now? ', she replied.

In another club, I found myself face to face with a dancer I hadn't seen for about two years. Imagine a thicker version of Salma Hayek with very nice natural D cups. We sat down in a dark corner of the lounge. As the first song started she took my hands and placed them on her tits.

In one club I had two dancers trying to put their phone numbers in my phone contacts.

One dancer's recent greeting was: 'I deep throat'.

I'm so much more optimistic about the future.

Higgs

[Danimal Forth]

I still drive by BM from time to time and usually note the number of cars. It's been typical the last few times I would say.

Tonight was a bit different and I thought it was amusing. At 8pm the sign said 10 girls but there were a grand total of 4 cars outside.

Here's a side note that really belongs in another thread.

I thought the sign might have said 13 when I first passed so I decided I wanted to go back and be certain. So I turned around at the next block intersection and I had to wait for a young, pretty girl who I presumed to be in high school and I tried to avoid scaring her by pulling around behind her.

After I quickly checked out the sign and headed back west again there were two cars stopped on that side of the road. I saw no sign of the girl anymore so unless she was just taking somebody up on a ride, I guess she must have been working.

I'm not interested in that kind of thing but she stood out on Van Buren for sure.

[Tendy]

Man. I've been doing this all wrong. Massage parlor first and then the strip club. Makes the strippers less important and much more fun!

[TylerPerelli]

Man. I've been doing this all wrong. Massage parlor first and then the strip club. Makes the strippers less important and much more fun!A strategy I have used before. Nothing like the confidence of going into a club for a few lappies knowing you just finished receiving a BJ and FS.

[Dick North]

TylerPerelli you must have the $ to support such a routine. First a minimum of One hundred and sixty dollars for the AMP and $10 - $20 for dances + drinks?

Please pm your financial advisor.

Thanks.

DN

ps. Had to express certain monetary amounts differently to avoid some filtering activity.


A strategy I have used before. Nothing like the confidence of going into a club for a few lappies knowing you just finished receiving a BJ and FS.

[Higgs Boson]

A variety of strip club issues, questions and indepth research.

Shortened songs at Bandaids. The sub-atomic particle went into full alert after reading this report submitted by an alert colleague. On a recent Saturday evening, standing at the game machine near the end of the Bandaids bar, I pulled out my smart phone and started timing songs from the beginning of one song to the its end or beginning of the next song. My findings based on a small sampling: the songs typically ran to about 2 minutes but occasionally went to 2:30 or 3:00 if a dancer walked up and distracted the DJ. For all I know, these were the normal length of the songs. I wasn't familiar with the selections. Like many here, I was probably spoiled by a former Bandaids DJ, Robby, from about two years ago. He was the DJ with the gravelly and almost unintelligible voice. He seemed to have an encyclopedic knowledge of a wide range of musical varieties, and fearlessly played songs of 5 minutes or longer if he wanted.

New nude establishment. The former Bodyshop (and one or two other past names) at 3790 W. Grand is now reopened, again as a nude club. The sign says T & A Cabaret, which is the same name as the topless place in south Phoenix. I don't usually go to nude places, so I'll leave it to others to check out (Dave?). I'll be down the road at Fox's drinking booze.

My theories on why some Phoenix area clubs are currently thriving and others are not. We're now entering the service industries' summer doldrums. Restaurants, resorts, golf courses, taxi drivers, and even strip clubs are starting their annual slow period. Snowbirds and other Winter visitors are gone, people don't visit the Phoenix area for summer vacation, and our own citizens go away their own vacations. My theory is that the flashy strip clubs which cater to or focus on seasonal visitors like the Scottsdale clubs and Christies' take a big hit at this time. Their customers will return after Summer. I think Bandaids, Hi Liter and other clubs are more focused on and better known by the 'locals'. They'll have a more gradual decrease in customers as we get into the summer.

The 1 AM 'cover up'. A Phoenix ordinance requires strip club dancers to cover their nipples or breasts beginning at 1 AM. I'm guessing this only applies to clubs serving alcohol. The dancers at Bandaids know about this rule. Sometimes in the past the DJ there has actually made an announcement that it was 1 AM. I admit I haven't heard it lately but I've spent a lot less time at Bandaids over the past few months. At the Hi Liter, the security staff circulate and tell dancers it's time to cover up. I haven't noticed it at other Phoenix clubs so I guess I'll have to do more research. (smile)

Higgs

[TylerPerelli]

TylerPerelli you must have the $ to support such a routine. First a minimum of One hundred and sixty dollars for the AMP and $10 . $20 for dances + drinks?

Please pm your financial advisor.

Thanks.

DN.

Ps. Had to express certain monetary amounts differently to avoid some filtering activity.Sometimes one has to go awhile without mongering, saving up. Lately the funds are good, so sharing the wealth. Mongering is like gambling in many ways (understatement of the year).1) sometimes you win, sometimes you lose 2) you can't win if you don't play 3) only play with what you can afford to lose.

Back in the good ole days, one could good get prime stuff right on Van Buren. Variety of girls. 20 or thirty on the track and a BJ could be had for forty roses (20 roses made me worry about drug habits. 60 roses made me worry about greed). Yet this was 15 years ago.

Next, I went to the strip clubs and was content with some high milage dances. Would budget $ for drinks and dances and could usually pull it off. Dances were five bucks versus ten back then. IIRC they even were seven bucks a dance for a spell.

Then came the MPs. AMPs and better yet LMPs. If fact, scared of LEO, I gave up SWs for AMPs. Would rather spent $.5 and be safe than 50 roses with low quality and fear of tent city.

After a few trips to Nogales and Cabo San Lucas, I found the thrill of fun in the strip club. Next was doing it in a US club. Tucson Candy Store.

Shortly after I secured both paid and unpaid take out from PHX clubs.

Finally, the elusive BJ and even FS in a few PHX clubs. Got on a lucky streak and began to expect it. It slowed down, then picked back up.

Due to the aforementioned LEO, my drink quota for a whole evening has went from 6 cocktails to 2 mixed drinks. A DUI on the drive home would kill the high of getting some in the club.

Unless I can hit the ATM for two or three bills (Benjamins, albeit in twenties) , I won't venture out.

Rumor has it that one of the Tucson legends budgeted 35K for his fun, even had a ATF on a 5K retainer to find other girls for him to have fun. Granted he must have made six figures a year. Wish I could do that, yet am nowhere close.

Often, over the past few years, I have worked many six day weeks. Hence the need for stress relief. Some people spend a couple hundred a weekend on sporting events and drinks. I choose to spend it seeking college age hotties.

[TylerPerelli]

Echoing Higgs. A couple years ago Bandaids used to anounce the 1am cover up. Bars can be open until 2am in PHX, yet dancers must have the bikini top on after 1am unless on stage.

In SCO, the nipples must be covered at all times. Latex, stickers, whatever.

AZ clubs that serve alcohol are topless only and close at 2am.

Nude clubes in AZ cannot serve alcohol and are open until 3am or 4am.

[DavePHX]

. Some people spend a couple hundred a weekend on sporting events and drinks. I choose to spend it seeking college age hotties.Well said. Or some of us busy people have no time for the dating game, wining and dining just to maybe get intimate with a date.

Other than business related I hardly get out other than strip clubs. Zero interest in bar scene. Too shallow and don't like the taste of alcohol drinks. Never have. Not even wine (wish I did like). Once in Toronto after leaving a club (gave up on Phx clubs for almost 10 years when new law enforced) had a slight sore throat and was undecided to go right to another club or left to return to hotel. Made a fast lane change and cop pulled me over thinking I was drunk. Think I had two diet cokes. He said he smelled alcohol on my breath. Yes, from the sore throat lozenge I had just taken. He made me show my "source" (strips) and let me go!

Also older and no interest physically in women anywhere near my age. Enjoy 20-30's slender (but not too) with smaller natural breasts, although with some intelligence and maturity.

Surprising to some, I have found at times great dancers, many going to collage as you indicated. Very sharp and not the stereotype ditsy type. Although some are which I try to avoid!

Also have almost no interest in sports and have much better view on TV if like a really big game. But will usually just watch in middle of 4th quarter. Don't spend money on beers, expensive seats etc, just would watch on TV.

[Slacker30]

Sometimes one has to go awhile without mongering, saving up. Mongering is like gambling in many ways (understatement of the year).1) sometimes you win, sometimes you lose 2) you can't win if you don't play 3) only play with what you can afford to lose.

Then came the MPs. AMPs and better yet LMPs. If fact, scared of LEO, I gave up SWs for AMPs. Would rather spent $.5 and be safe than 50 roses with low quality and fear of tent city.

Unless I can hit the ATM for two or three bills (Benjamins, albeit in twenties) , I won't venture out.These are some VERY good points Tyler. Every monger should adhere to your parameters.

Money goes fast in this hobby. And we're lucky here in AZ. Dances are only $10 versus $20 everywhere else. Everyone's mileage will vary. Some mongers have the looks and game to actually attract the occasional stripper into their life for free, others are in decent relationships and just want a little variety in their sexual lives, some are older and know that women in their 20's to 40's, who are high maintenance, wouldn't be interested in them personally, so this hobby allows for sexual liasons with women who are personally unattainble.

Wherever any of us fall on the above scale, it is like gambling. Trial and error. We have to be cognizant of that. It may take 10-20 spa visits to find that GFE session we have been looking for, or months of going to strip clubs and buying dances before we find a handful of dancers who turn us on and / or are enjoyable company.

As they say in life, you don't get what you want, you get what you expect. Expect to blow a few hundred or a few thousand dollars, and not be upset if you just get C level service.

There is a wealth of knowledge on this forum for those of us who choose to incorporate it into our trial and error mongering.

I have found that daytime strip club visits are better than at night. Less chance of getting pulled over for a DUI check, no cover charge in most clubs, drink specials, more dancers who are a little older and more mature or stable. Less supervision. If you can't go on weekdays, weekend day shifts are ok.

Yesterday I was on the Southside, and decided to check out T and A. Hadn't been there for awhile. No cover charge. 2/1 drafts, wine and well drinks until 7 ($5 for 2 Dos Equis) a $3 tip to the waitress, tipped a few dollars to a few of the 6 dancers, and left having spent $14. On Tuesday's VIP's are 2/1. The girl I was attracted to finally came my way, but I had to get home and declined. Spending that little bit of money can't be beat, and I got to chill for a bit and watch the show. I wasn't out to spend $100 on dances, but if the opportunity arose, I probably could have.

One can hit several spots up during the day with no cover and drink specials. Those cover charges and regular priced drinks add up fast.

The same with spas. I would rather wait until I have $200-$400 to blow on 2 FS sessions than look for cheap, run down looking pussy.

Tyler, again you made a lot of sense in your post.

[BonAppetit]

It's all just a form of stress relief.

[Dick North]

Sometimes one has to go awhile without mongering, saving up. Lately the funds are good, so sharing the wealth. Mongering is like gambling in many ways (understatement of the year).1) sometimes you win, sometimes you lose 2) you can't win if you don't play 3) only play with what you can afford to lose.

Back in the good ole days, one could good get prime stuff right on Van Buren. Variety of girls. 20 or thirty on the track and a BJ could be had for forty roses (20 roses made me worry about drug habits. 60 roses made me worry about greed). Yet this was 15 years ago.

Next, I went to the strip clubs and was content with some high milage dances. Would budget $ for drinks and dances and could usually pull it off. Dances were five bucks versus ten back then. IIRC they even were seven bucks a dance for a spell.

Then came the MPs. AMPs and better yet LMPs. If fact, scared of LEO, I gave up SWs for AMPs. Would rather spent $.5 and be safe than 50 roses with low quality and fear of tent city.

After a few trips to Nogales and Cabo San Lucas, I found the thrill of fun in the strip club. Next was doing it in a US club. Tucson Candy Store.

Shortly after I secured both paid and unpaid take out from PHX clubs.

Finally, the elusive BJ and even FS in a few PHX clubs. Got on a lucky streak and began to expect it. It slowed down, then picked back up.

Due to the aforementioned LEO, my drink quota for a whole evening has went from 6 cocktails to 2 mixed drinks. A DUI on the drive home would kill the high of getting some in the club.

Unless I can hit the ATM for two or three bills (Benjamins, albeit in twenties) , I won't venture out.

Rumor has it that one of the Tucson legends budgeted 35K for his fun, even had a ATF on a 5K retainer to find other girls for him to have fun. Granted he must have made six figures a year. Wish I could do that, yet am nowhere close.

Often, over the past few years, I have worked many six day weeks. Hence the need for stress relief. Some people spend a couple hundred a weekend on sporting events and drinks. I choose to spend it seeking college age hotties.Nice post. Been through many of the same experiences. Perhaps I was feeling some remorse at my own similar spending habits on the hobby when I submitted my post.

I wonder how many of the average mongers on the USG have ever calculated their lifetime expenditures on massage parlors, incall providers, outcall providers, street walkers, strip clubs, nude clubs & related refreshments (booze).

Staggering I would bet.

DN

Ps. Completely agree about the Tucson legend.

[GoodOldMonger]

I wonder how many of the average mongers on the USG have ever calculated their lifetime expenditures on massage parlors, incall providers, outcall providers, street walkers, strip clubs, nude clubs & related refreshments (booze).

Staggering I would bet.

DN.Funny because I was adding up my expenditures in the hobby a few months ago and realized how cheap it was considering my 2 ex-wives cost me about a million dollars just in the divorce settlements! Neither of them ever worked, so add to that all the food, shelter, clothes, vacations, and medical expenses! Ok, so I got to hit it 4, 000 times, but cost per hit was pretty high. Emotional costs, priceless!

Monger forever,

GOM

[Crutch]

Nice post. Been through many of the same experiences. Perhaps I was feeling some remorse at my own similar spending habits on the hobby when I submitted my post.

I wonder how many of the average mongers on the USG have ever calculated their lifetime expenditures on massage parlors, incall providers, outcall providers, street walkers, strip clubs, nude clubs & related refreshments (booze).

Staggering I would bet.

DN.

Ps. Completely agree about the Tucson legend.I don't want to think about a total expenditure, probably the cost of several new cars plus a down payment on a house.

[TylerPerelli]

Nice post. Been through many of the same experiences. Perhaps I was feeling some remorse at my own similar spending habits on the hobby when I submitted my post.

I wonder how many of the average mongers on the USG have ever calculated their lifetime expenditures on massage parlors, incall providers, outcall providers, street walkers, strip clubs, nude clubs & related refreshments (booze).

Staggering I would bet.

DN.

Ps. Completely agree about the Tucson legend.Spending. Some weeks zero. Others two or three bills. If a person spent one hundred dollars a weekend. Whether it be on drinks, girls, sporting event tickets. Whatever.

50 weeks a year times a benjamin a week (5k) times 20 years. A monger or sportsfan could spend 100 grand over time.

The 5k the Tucson gent alledgedly spent on his number one gal, who found him other gals to do what he wanted, at the price he wanted, may have been a good investment.

Mongering is a hobby. It is expensive. So are golf and gambling for example. This board helps keep the quality up and the prices down when used correctly.

[Newbie80]

I went to the pink rhino last night and got fubared. I hadn't had much to drink for a while and definitely overdid it last night. Tyler is right, I loved the place. All the girls here have some serious booty. I don't remember much of what happened. Got dances from two different girls, a black girl and some viking blond that said she was asian (maybe she was was, I was fucked up). I've been looking for a place where I can just chill and watch good stage dances, I've found my place.

I'm kind of mad at the bouncers. I got out when I ran out of money but needed to go the the restroom after a while and they wouldn't let me back in, one of them went as far as telling me to go pee in some fucking bushes, thankfully a Latin guy actually walked me into the the restroom and let me take a leak. I def had too much to drink, but I had it together. I definitely didn't deserve to be treated like that. I'm thankful that Latin guy helped me out.

I'm bummed out that I drank so much and spent more than I wanted too, but I had a good time. I had no intention of getting dances, but the booze did me in. I've said in the past that I'm not a chocolate lover, but after last night I've learnt that that's no longer true. The black girl that gave me the dances was one of the coolest strippers I've dealt with. She talked to me for quite a while and then gave me a dance. At that point I was actually out of money (she gave me two or three but only charged me for one, some other guy hooked me up for some reason and paid for the first one of two?) and had to go get some, but she didn't make a fuss about it, she just told me that she'd be around and that I should find her and give her the money. At that point I was so fucked up I couldn't put the card in the ATM machine, I had to get one of the girls to help me (facepalm). ATM charge 8 Dollars. Did it twice (double facepalm) , I don't remember why I went the second time. I got some food outside, so I'm guesing I went back inside to get money for food. I actually don't remember how many dances I got from the blond, but I'm guessing it was 8.

The bouncers treating me like shit was fixed by a nice latina dancer chatting me up and eating with me while I waited for a cab. I wish I'd remember her name, so I could go back there and get some dances from her. The whole night is a big blur but it was great. I don't know if the drinks are good and strong or if my liver is just too dammed healthy, but I def will not have as many next time. Lots of single women getting dances there, super amusing. Cover was $15. There were always 3 girls on stage, I liked that very much. Sound is tinnitus causing, It's hard to talk to anyone.

Today's lesson for me was: Leave your credit and debit cards in the car.

[Newbie80]

Nice post. Been through many of the same experiences. Perhaps I was feeling some remorse at my own similar spending habits on the hobby when I submitted my post.

I wonder how many of the average mongers on the USG have ever calculated their lifetime expenditures on massage parlors, incall providers, outcall providers, street walkers, strip clubs, nude clubs & related refreshments (booze).

Staggering I would bet.

DN.

Ps. Completely agree about the Tucson legend.Yet, It's cheaper than having a wife.

[Papa Rotzi]

My divorce. 5 years ago, set me back about a half million. I spend about 2 grand a month on poon / clubs, so I figure I've got about 20 years and the whole deal is even steven. What's funny, now that I think about it, is that I was married for about 20 years, so it will be a wash "cost-wise". But the current / future 20 has been and will be a shyt-load more fun. I'm loving the variety.


Yet, It's cheaper than having a wife.

[Getpaidgeteffd]

Before I start the bashing I have to admit I've never been to an AZ strip club before. Also, I was just in a regular polo collar shirt and jeans so I was not giving off a "baller" vibe. But even so I'm positive this can't be the norm. Third concession I will give was that it was a packed house Saturday of the memorial weekend.

List of flaws.

1) Expensive. $12 cover WITH a two drink minimum? Child please. And dancers set their own prices? I didn't come here to do math.

2) Rude. Groped by a bouncer, zero smiles offered by dancers on floor. One girl even said let's dance with zero emotion I'm talkin zombie mode, I said no and I swear I heard her call me a jerk. Look, I know this wasn't any of their dream jobs, but nobody got what they didn't sign up for.

3) No women. It's a packed freaking house and they've got two girls on stage that's nice, but only four more around the whole club when it's packed? On a satuday night? If I wanted to spend my Saturday night trying to work to pay a chick, I like my chances better at a bar.

4) Big women. If you like rears and chests you'd like this place, and not to sound racist (but it's going to sound racist) there were a lot of latino and Black dudes so I'm sure they're just catering to the marketplace but I like petite and fit and they could not provide me with one?

5) Thieving servers. I ordered two makers marks at 9 a piece appropriate for the market. But then she comes and gets me two more when I never asked for it. She said that's what she thought I said when she came by when I really said "no thanks" then goes on how we're both effd if I don't pay. I said F it, not like I wanted any dances here anyway, paid chugged then left. Didn't get the servers name but she was darker maybe mixed or latina with blonde hair.

List of pluses.

1) The girl who took my cover was the hottest, too bad she never walked the floor.

2) The servers are all hot and fit. Again too bad they're not what I came for.

Terrible, TURRIBLE! Good thing I didn't waste my $ here, took what was left of my budget called Summer on BP and let the hosbeast take out its frustrations on someone who actually cares. Summer is not very attractive but offers a BBBJ that is almost pornographic for just. 5.

[Slacker30]

[QUOTE=Getpaidgeteffd; 1774507]Before I start the bashing I have to admit I've never been to an AZ strip club before. Also, I was just in a regular polo collar shirt and jeans so I was not giving off a "baller" vibe. But even so I'm positive this can't be the norm. Third concession I will give was that it was a packed house Saturday of the memorial weekend.

List of flaws.

1) Expensive. $12 cover WITH a two drink minimum? Child please. And dancers set their own prices? I didn't come here to do math.

2) Rude. Groped by a bouncer, zero smiles offered by dancers on floor. One girl even said let's dance with zero emotion I'm talkin zombie mode, I said no and I swear I heard her call me a jerk. Look, I know this wasn't any of their dream jobs, but nobody got what they didn't sign up for.

3) No women. It's a packed freaking house and they've got two girls on stage that's nice, but only four more around the whole club when it's packed? On a satuday night? If I wanted to spend my Saturday night trying to work to pay a chick, I like my chances better at a bar.

4) Big women. If you like rears and chests you'd like this place, and not to sound racist (but it's going to sound racist) there were a lot of latino and Black dudes so I'm sure they're just catering to the marketplace but I like petite and fit and they could not provide me with one?

5) Thieving servers. I ordered two makers marks at 9 a piece appropriate for the market. But then she comes and gets me two more when I never asked for it. She said that's what she thought I said when she came by when I really said "no thanks" then goes on how we're both effd if I don't pay. I said F it, not like I wanted any dances here anyway, paid chugged then left. Didn't get the servers name but she was darker maybe mixed or latina with blonde hair.

List of pluses.

1) The girl who took my cover was the hottest, too bad she never walked the floor.

2) The servers are all hot and fit. Again too bad they're not what I came for.

Terrible, TURRIBLE! Good thing I didn't waste my $ here, took what was left of my budget called Summer on BP and let the hosbeast take out its frustrations on someone who actually cares. Summer is not very attractive but offers a BBBJ that is almost pornographic for just. 5. [/Quote.

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Not that keen on this club. That said, this was a holiday weekend, so business is slower for the most part in many clubs. Not as many dancers work on the holiday weekends as business is slower and the married older customers are with family or out of town. Dancers work when they want.

Bouncer pat downs are common at big city clubs to make sure you have no weapons. We have had shootings at 6-7 clubs here in the past. Don't get too disturbed about that. Sometimes day shift visits may not provide a pat down.

I don't find Friday and Saturday nights the best time to go to any strip club. The party crowds come in on those nights. Cover charge higher versus none to low on days. You probably would have been better off going in during the day on Saturday when more older and mature dancers work and those girls are there to work and not to party.

[Newbie80]

Getpaid I'm stealing your report format.

Went by the ABC because of the 2-4-1 Wednesday deal they got.

List of Pluses.

1) I got there early (4:30pm) , so no cover.

2) Really good looking girls of all shapes and sizes, lots of them too. Most of the girls are thin or regular, there was one or two chubby girls. I thought most of them were really good looking.

3) $5 dances!

4) No strip search.

5) Cheap drinks. 2-4-1.

6) The waitress was super attentive, always checking if I needed anything.

7) The dancers go outside to smoke, by the entrance, they sit there and chat with everyone. That's super cool. Now that I remember, I might be wrong, but at the Hi-liter they have their own little private patio place and I think bandaids does that same thing. It's great that at the ABC they just go out front and mingle with everyone.

List of Negatives.

1) Got told by one of the bouncers (it was after 6pm) to put my hands on the chair or that he would kick me out. I had no idea this was a hands free place. I was roaming my hands with every dancer before that bouncer warned me. Yikes! I must have looked bad.

2) The bathrooms are ugly, not dirty, just busted up.

3) Not a lot of girls on the nude side. I counted five. Most of the dancers and most of the patrons hang out on the topless side.

4) No strip search! One of the girl was telling that her bf got killed there (a bouncer) , read some past reviews, =O!

I wouldn't say the dances are bad just because they don't allow hands to roam. Some of the girls grope you! Some give mostly air dances. I've had girls at bandaids tell me I can't touch their jugs, others have grabbed my hands and made me. I got gropped, tittie slapped and grinded on, fast and slow, so it wasn't horrible. On the nude side one of the girls was making guys turn around and face up onstage and giving them a close view and some tittie slapping, that was cool. I spent about $100 got drunk and It felt like I got a million dances from a million women. Left at about 10pm. Not going out to another club without having some note taking app so I don't forget names. Akasha, Autumn, and Kennedy gave me good dances. Past them I don't remember any names.

Demographics; %90 of the girls here are Caucasian, but a bit diverse. Lots of brunettes, some blondes, two redheads (only one of them was a real ginger) and one or two Mexican / Latin girls (talked to one of them, she didn't speak Spanish ). The same applies to the patrons. I liked the atmosphere there, the music isn't too loud, the chairs are confy. The place is a little bit slower, calm almost. It felt a bit like the blue moon, with the sound turned up a bit and with booze. The day shift was better than the night shift, the atmosphere gets a bit more uptight at night.

Small tip; The chairs have rollers on them and they move all over the place if you get a good dance. Lean your chair against a pillar or take some of the seats by the walls.

One thing that's been bothering me lately. Stubble. Every time if feel it, I feel like quiting mid dance, going over to a store and buying the woman a fucking epilator.

[Waitingtoexpel]

Dropped out of the SC game for a while in favor of seeing a few "party" girls I had met through an associate.
But as always, I eventually gave in to my stripper cravings and stopped by Bandaids the other day at around 4 in the afternoon.
Forgive my hazy memory, as most of my time in SCs is spent in various forms of intoxication, and the only time I remember these trips and think to write a review here is also when I am buzzed.

Was glad to see there was still no cover during the day, but the waitress was more attentive than usual in making sure I got my drink as soon as I was seated. (Drink prices were so bad, it was essentially a $4 cover)
The ratio of girls to customers was down to a more reasonable level, and I was able to get a seat in a secluded corner.
Lots of unfamiliar faces, some of them pretty, came over ask me for a dance without sitting down for a chat first.
One was so good looking that I was tempted for a second, but she came off as too prissy to allow touching, much less do what I needed, so I had to pass.
Unless a girl also grabs my crotch and squeezes, she's not succeeding with the "Wanna dance?" routine.
Eventually a flirtatious girl who I'd apparently met before asked to sit on my lap. We had a nice chat with some mutual fondling and she asked me to buy her a drink through some 2 for 1 special. (They are not supposed to drink on duty)
I agreed, but before she could finish her drink she was called to the stage, and while she was up there, the waitress STOLE IT, even though I told her I was still working on it (she just said "it's empty," cockblocker!). This waitress used to be a dancer back in the day, so she probably knew what was going on... So, in the end, all I got from that girl was a couple of decent dances.
Soon after, one of my old ATFs unexpectedly popped into my lap, and after a song of pants sucking/rubbing we went to the VIP for a HJ to make a happy ending to the tale of that visit.

I'm also shocked and saddened to read that Jessie is recovering from cosmetic enhancements.
I've unfortunately had previous experience with saying goodbye forever to a great pair of tits due to this tragic practice of self mutilation, but I will mourn those particular naturals so much that I might just shed a tear.
I'm going to spend some time now reflecting on the moments we spent together, and wishing that I had made more memories together with those mammaries.
If only I'd been there, maybe I could have stopped her...

[Danimal Forth]

Hadn't seen Layla for probably a couple of months. She's one of those really tiny girls with A cups to match the body. I hope she doesn't ever get the urge to enhance those. I'm not exactly recommending her for dances but she's still nice to watch.

Madigan is back. I knew I had gotten a dance from this girl a lot of months back when I saw the tattoo on her chest. She has a lot of facial piercings and her fair share of body art. I can have some pretty strong feelings about that stuff but for some girls it really works.

Friday afternoons used to have a lot of super-attractive girls running around and I think she may not have stood out as much as the other day. Madigan has a really nice body. (Haven't seen Annie in a long time either.)

She never bothered to ask me for a dance but I had a quick chat and she said she had just come back after leaving about six months ago. I think she plans to work most days if anybody cares.

I also asked her about the girl with the leopard pattern tattoo on her abdomen. Madigan wasn't 100% sure about the name but she did remember her. Does "Lucky" sound familiar to anybody?

And here's an unrelated observation that I think is a little funny.

Considering that a strip club as depicted on television and the movies is always centered around a high-energy routine with a girl on the pole, you'd expect to find occasional comments on this forum about the quality of dancing on-stage. You might also think that the girls would take advantage of it as an opportunity to do some seductive marketing, driving up competitive demand to a room full of buyers making choices with a fixed amount of cash.

I guess the reality is that guys don't care much about artistry and the ones paying much attention are less likely to be spending money anyway. The girls hate doing it because they often have to leave a paying customer and always miss two or three opportunities to find a new one. Then when they aren't getting tips they don't believe it was worth the effort.

I actually watched one guy a few weeks ago sit right up front and spend most of his money a dollar tip at a time. Depending on what you're getting out of it that might not be the worst idea.

At Blue Moon the investment in a dance is a lot more expensive so some of those girls make a smaller proportion of income that way. Ironically I'd say that Blue Moon has some of the worst stage performances ever. On a typical night at Bandaids I don't think a girl could hope to average more than a paid dance every other song. If she's making even a few dollars on stage, that's fairly comparable.

Does anybody here care about stage dances?

[LikesToPlay]

Hadn't seen Layla for probably a couple of months. She's one of those really tiny girls with A cups to match the body. I hope she doesn't ever get the urge to enhance those. I'm not exactly recommending her for dances but she's still nice to watch.

Madigan is back. I knew I had gotten a dance from this girl a lot of months back when I saw the tattoo on her chest. She has a lot of facial piercings and her fair share of body art. I can have some pretty strong feelings about that stuff but for some girls it really works.

Friday afternoons used to have a lot of super-attractive girls running around and I think she may not have stood out as much as the other day. Madigan has a really nice body. (Haven't seen Annie in a long time either.)

She never bothered to ask me for a dance but I had a quick chat and she said she had just come back after leaving about six months ago. I think she plans to work most days if anybody cares.

I also asked her about the girl with the leopard pattern tattoo on her abdomen. Madigan wasn't 100% sure about the name but she did remember her. Does "Lucky" sound familiar to anybody?

And here's an unrelated observation that I think is a little funny.

Considering that a strip club as depicted on television and the movies is always centered around a high-energy routine with a girl on the pole, you'd expect to find occasional comments on this forum about the quality of dancing on-stage. You might also think that the girls would take advantage of it as an opportunity to do some seductive marketing, driving up competitive demand to a room full of buyers making choices with a fixed amount of cash.

I guess the reality is that guys don't care much about artistry and the ones paying much attention are less likely to be spending money anyway. The girls hate doing it because they often have to leave a paying customer and always miss two or three opportunities to find a new one. Then when they aren't getting tips they don't believe it was worth the effort.

I actually watched one guy a few weeks ago sit right up front and spend most of his money a dollar tip at a time. Depending on what you're getting out of it that might not be the worst idea.

At Blue Moon the investment in a dance is a lot more expensive so some of those girls make a smaller proportion of income that way. Ironically I'd say that Blue Moon has some of the worst stage performances ever. On a typical night at Bandaids I don't think a girl could hope to average more than a paid dance every other song. If she's making even a few dollars on stage, that's fairly comparable.

Does anybody here care about stage dances?First, no I don't care about stage dances. I have been overseas and the stages there is basically a dance and all the girls have numbers on them. After their time on stage you just ask your waitress for a girl by number. If she's available she's yours. For whatever you want.

This hobby has ruined me. Since I am not much of a drinker and the only reason for me to go to a club is to find "Talent" the dancing "talent" isn't very important. I used to love the strp clubs. Now I look on BP for Private "Talent" and have much more fun. You can't beat the visual variety of a Club, but there are much fewer rules and door charges and drunk patrons to deal with on the take out side.

On the other hand, its been a few years since I've pulled a girl from the club. Maybe I am just super old and my memory is startign to fail.

=)

[Mystery]

Hello all, I visited your fair city on vacation last week. I did plenty of research but I didn't have much luck. At first went through BP. Most of the numbers I called ended up not answering. The one I did get routed to, stood me up at her hotel. So at that point the frustration was turning to passion to find some action. I even stayed at a place down town that had reviews for providers in the hotel. Still no luck. I saw a couple, but they wouldn't give me the time of day, plus uncle Leo was in full force. Taking all that into consideration I ended up at the Blue Moon. Set up wasn't bad, quality, and amount of girls was pretty good too. Although I think the management ruined the experience for his customers. Soon as I walked in an sat down a nice young thick mixed chick named Elena came and sat down with me. After a few minutes of convo I got a dance. I've been spoiled by the strip clubs in ATL. Most I'd ever been to there you can get a nude lap dance for $5, from a banging chick. More if you talk to the right girl and go to the VIP or take out. Not so a the Blue moon, as I'm sure most of you are aware. The dances are over priced and the whole song doesn't even play. But Elena was cute and thicker than cold grits so I had to give her a chance. She was a newbie and a bit awkward, but seemed to get into it and let my hands roam almost wherever. She even stayed afterwards just to talk and cuddle. But the management wouldn't let her sit with one customer too long she had to work the room. Which is fine in theory but the 5 other guys who were there already had ladies they were interested in. Plus she went out for a smoke break and we couldn't even talk out side. She was up soon for a set on stage, which I set by to get a lighted view of that body. Was not disappointed. It was about 2 in the morning when she finished. I tried to get her to go back to my place, to no avail. I've been to clubs all over the country and that one has more potential. Just seemed like the management had their priorities out of wack.

[Slacker30]

Hello all, I visited your fair city on vacation last week. I did plenty of research but I didn't have much luck. At first went through BP. Most of the numbers I called ended up not answering. The one I did get routed to, stood me up at her hotel. So at that point the frustration was turning to passion to find some action. I even stayed at a place down town that had reviews for providers in the hotel. Still no luck. I saw a couple, but they wouldn't give me the time of day, plus uncle Leo was in full force. Taking all that into consideration I ended up at the Blue Moon. Set up wasn't bad, quality, and amount of girls was pretty good too. Although I think the management ruined the experience for his customers. Soon as I walked in an sat down a nice young thick mixed chick named Elena came and sat down with me. After a few minutes of convo I got a dance. I've been spoiled by the strip clubs in ATL. Most I'd ever been to there you can get a nude lap dance for $5, from a banging chick. More if you talk to the right girl and go to the VIP or take out. Not so a the Blue moon, as I'm sure most of you are aware. The dances are over priced and the whole song doesn't even play. But Elena was cute and thicker than cold grits so I had to give her a chance. She was a newbie and a bit awkward, but seemed to get into it and let my hands roam almost wherever. She even stayed afterwards just to talk and cuddle. But the management wouldn't let her sit with one customer too long she had to work the room. Which is fine in theory but the 5 other guys who were there already had ladies they were interested in. Plus she went out for a smoke break and we couldn't even talk out side. She was up soon for a set on stage, which I set by to get a lighted view of that body. Was not disappointed. It was about 2 in the morning when she finished. I tried to get her to go back to my place, to no avail. I've been to clubs all over the country and that one has more potential. Just seemed like the management had their priorities out of wack.Blue Moon isn't as good as in the old days. They used to have private BOOTHS where the dance area is, but the law made them take them out in the early 2000's when dancer licensing became law here. Many of the dancers then were veterans who had been there 10 years or so, and would fuck you in the booths.

Day shift there is better than nights, but many girls have left over the past few months due to management issues. Since they are a juice bar, the bulk of their money comes with dance sales, so they enforce the 3 song sets and mingling. The day manager has been there 24 years, and if it is slow, most of the time won't hassle the girls if they are sitting with a customer who has spent money.

The topless clubs are a better bet now, since they have liquor, and collect house fees off of a lot of girls, don't care if the girls are selling or not as long as they make stage when it's their turn, and tip everyone out.

Relying on BP is iffy, particularly if you have time constraints, as many providers are flaky and don't answer the phone or have bogus photos. Spas are a better bet. Next time you are in town , read up on the popular spas reviewed here. You will probably be happier.

[PartyDiver]

I actually watched one guy a few weeks ago sit right up front and spend most of his money a dollar tip at a time. Depending on what you're getting out of it that might not be the worst idea.

Does anybody here care about stage dances?I can appreciate a good stage dance. There is a bar in Los Algodones, Mexico (Near Yuma) , called the Green Door, where the strippers / hookers work the stage. There is even one that is so good on the pole, that she takes her panties off then puts them back on, while high up on the pole.

On several occasions, I've stopped by The Alaskan Bush Company mid day to drink cheap beers while looking at titties. Much better than Applebees! That buck a song can be just as much fun as the same amount spent on table dances.

[Azbow]

Hadn't seen Layla for probably a couple of months. She's one of those really tiny girls with A cups to match the body. I hope she doesn't ever get the urge to enhance those. I'm not exactly recommending her for dances but she's still nice to watch.The turnover at Bandaids seem to be quite high lately. If anyone knows where Layla is dancing now, please advise. Thanks.

[Slacker30]

The turnover at Bandaids seem to be quite high lately. If anyone knows where Layla is dancing now, please advise. Thanks.These girls move around a lot or only dance sporadically. Band-Aids has probably 1000 girls on the books. If you are looking for a latina or black girl who may have worked there try Jaguars or Pink Rhino on weekend nights, maybe even a Thursday night. By night I mean preferably after 11.

Having had involvement in this business regarding boob jobs, many dancers get them when they can come up with the money. Lots of girls with boob jobs report increased earnings after they get them, so many guys like enhanced breasts that are tastefully done.

[Danimal Forth]

The turnover at Bandaids seem to be quite high lately. If anyone knows where Layla is dancing now, please advise. Thanks.Sorry for the confusion. I actually saw the Layla that I described on a Saturday afternoon at Bandaids. I didn't talk to her.

FWIW, there was another thin girl with small breasts I used to see on Friday nights (still Bandaids). I hadn't thought much about her until seeing her last night and I think her name was Ella.

[Slacker30]

Since this club business is so fickle, I have decided to explore some different spots. One is Jaguars day shift. I visited there twice this week and had a very enjoyable time.

For those of you who haven't been there, it is a VERY plush and large club, comparable to better clubs in Houston or Dallas. Similar format to Bandaids, same types of dancers, but with their layout you have lots of room, comfortable chairs, and time to actually sit and chat with the girls. Not a "want to dance" type setup during the day.

Huge plush VIP with a $10 admission, $20 a song but the floor areas could suffice. Lots of cozy hidden spots. I don't want to divulge the personal details of my visit besides things moving forward very nicely beyond my being a customer, but I think some of you guys will like coming here. Saw a few "mongerish" looking gentlemen on my 2 visits. You can get what you want here in a more relaxed atmosphere.

Cheap drinks during happy hour which lasts until 7, ($3 drinks and beer 1st day, $2 bottled beer and $4 call drinks yesterday).

[Hank75]

I've been to blue moon, and this place is way better! Go during the day, it's less dangerous.

Laid back, cheap drinks, mostly black and Latina dancers that have always worked their hardest to leave me a satisfied customer. Most are thick, which I like.

The last three times I have gone there, I have left very happy from a few 10 dances.

It's at 35th and Thomas, a bit hard to find.

[Slappy05]

Dropped by Christie's on 32nd st. Last night and was informed of the new pricing changes. Now if you want dances upstairs there is a $20 admission fee (wristband) that gives you access. Dances upstairs are still 20 / piece. I talked with the cashier for a bit and mentioned how the club really needs to reinvent its self or make some drastic pricing shifts to get people back in there. On the bright side, I did meet a lovely, experienced dancer that made my visit a pleasant one. Good connection and a great dances. I wish I could have justified going upstairs, but I was on a limited budget.

[Kujo69]

Dropped by Christie's on 32nd st. Last night and was informed of the new pricing changes. Now if you want dances upstairs there is a $20 admission fee (wristband) that gives you access. Dances upstairs are still 20 / piece. I talked with the cashier for a bit and mentioned how the club really needs to reinvent its self or make some drastic pricing shifts to get people back in there.So instead of taking steps to get more people in the door they want to squeeze more out of those people who do still go there? That's bizarre. That's certainly not going to get more people to visit this club. Where do they find the brain surgeons who come up with these ideas? The 2 busiest and best clubs in town are Bourbon Street and the Hi-Liter and they don't resort to these types of gimmicks.

[GWild]

Dropped by Christie's on 32nd st. Last night and was informed of the new pricing changes. Now if you want dances upstairs there is a $20 admission fee (wristband) that gives you access. Dances upstairs are still 20 / piece. I talked with the cashier for a bit and mentioned how the club really needs to reinvent its self or make some drastic pricing shifts to get people back in there. On the bright side, I did meet a lovely, experienced dancer that made my visit a pleasant one. Good connection and a great dances. I wish I could have justified going upstairs, but I was on a limited budget.I agree with kujo69. Bourbon street got the best looking girl in the house. Hiliter got the extra option if you like to play. Christie need to have 2 for 1 dance and $5 dance then maybe I will start to go there.

[AmanteDeLatina]

I went to Bandaids on Monday during the day. I happened to have the day off of work so I got to see the day shift for once. I normally do not get to go there during the day. I had a very high mileage dance from a dancer named Uvia. Uvia barely speaks English. She is difficult to understand but she is a very nice girl. Thanks to my many trips to Mexicali, Nogales, Los Algodones and Tijuana for strip clubs I knew a little bit of Spanish to help her out. Uvia told me she had only lived in Arizona for 5 years and that she was from Tijuana and that she had danced in Tijuana. Having been to Tijuana many times I knew right away that I wanted to spend some more time with this girl. To say the very least, the style of privado (private dance in Spanish) that is given by chicas in the trade down there make our private dances look like Disney land. So when Uvia asked me if I wanted a private dance I asked her "¿Quieres bailar para mi estilo de Tijuana?" (Will you dance for me Tijuana style?). She said "si" and we went to the VIP area. Actually, this was the first time I had ever done VIP at Bandaids and for her it was well worth it. As I looked at the bouncer at the place he appeared to be a Caucasian male so I am not completely sure but I do not think he spoke Spanish so I think I was able to negotiate that before we went into VIP without them knowing. Her dance was very "estillo de Tijuana" (Tijuana style). LOL. I do not want to get her in trouble so I guess I will have to leave it at saying it was Tijuana style. LOL I was even able to get her phone number when she was done. Now only if she would charge the same rate that is charged in Tijuana. LOL If you speak a little bit of Spanish I recommend going to Uvia and using it, it will get you a long ways!

[Slappy05]

So instead of taking steps to get more people in the door they want to squeeze more out of those people who do still go there? That's bizarre. That's certainly not going to get more people to visit this club. Where do they find the brain surgeons who come up with these ideas? The 2 busiest and best clubs in town are Bourbon Street and the Hi-Liter and they don't resort to these types of gimmicks.I can tell you the girls weren't too happy about it either. Apparently new rules limit dance contact downstairs, and there are some financial penalties for not abiding. I know everyone has their opinions on which clubs are the best and what not, but I really dig the openness and size of that Christies. I always feel cramped at other clubs.

[Vanderbilt22]

I'm wondering if you guys can answer a few questions for me about Chicas. I'm been reading some good reviews on the place, and am thinking of checking it out soon. I am a veteran of Bandaids and Blue Moon, so I am familiar with clubs that are not incredibly high-class.

I think that the regular dances there are $10, and the VIP dances are $20. What I'm more concerned about, however, is the safety of the area around 35th Avenue and Thomas. I am aware that the area has a lot of crime, but I'm hoping that by taking a few precautions I can protect myself. I am certainly not planning on going there at night, and any visits I make will be in the afternoon, likely between noon and 5 pm. I figure as long as I treat people with respect, do not cause commotion, and go during the day, I should probably be ok. What do you guys think? I'm a relatively skinny white guy, so I'm obviously going to stand out in a tiny, local club on the west side. Hopefully, it should be no worse than Blue Moon.

[NorthScotts2]

I have mostly visited Chicas during the day, maybe 2-5pm. Sometimes it is slow and not too many hanging around so it is not too iffy but the later I go, they're people stand around outside. I will admit, there have Been times that there are groups of guys that I know better than to look there direction or go up to girls that were hanging out with them when they come on stage. I have pretty good intuition and my radar goes up here more than other places I've been too. Two words of advice from my experience:

1. I didn't take change one time during the day shift and the manager / owner couldn't break a hundred. I had to leave to get change so I didn't bother coming back.

2. Don't dress too nicely or in a luxury vehicle. I already stand out being a professional white male but when I come from work in a nice shirt, slacks, and a foreign luxury car, the stares I receive from those standing in the parking lot are rather uncomfortable.

3. If you go, just blend in and I let the girls come to me at this club. I don't know who was with who before I came in so I get the lay of the land first. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. In other clubs, if I see a girl I like on stage, ill go up and tip her, them they usually come to my table to chat after the dance. I don't do that at this place.

All that said, don't be scared to try it out and I like the club for what it is. Not expensive and the occasional diamond in the rough appears! Most of the time, the girls are on the larger side and not my style but the dances used to be $5.

On the floor so you could get some enjoyment for very little money, especially if you find the girl you like.

I hope this is helpful.


I'm wondering if you guys can answer a few questions for me about Chicas. I'm been reading some good reviews on the place, and am thinking of checking it out soon. I am a veteran of Bandaids and Blue Moon, so I am familiar with clubs that are not incredibly high-class.

I think that the regular dances there are $10, and the VIP dances are $20. What I'm more concerned about, however, is the safety of the area around 35th Avenue and Thomas. I am aware that the area has a lot of crime, but I'm hoping that by taking a few precautions I can protect myself. I am certainly not planning on going there at night, and any visits I make will be in the afternoon, likely between noon and 5 pm. I figure as long as I treat people with respect, do not cause commotion, and go during the day, I should probably be ok. What do you guys think? I'm a relatively skinny white guy, so I'm obviously going to stand out in a tiny, local club on the west side. Hopefully, it should be no worse than Blue Moon.

[Higgs Boson]

I have mostly visited Chicas during the day, maybe 2-5pm. Sometimes it is slow and not too many hanging around so it is not too iffy but the later I go, they're people stand around outside. I will admit, there have Been times that there are groups of guys that I know better than to look there direction or go up to girls that were hanging out with them when they come on stage. I have pretty good intuition and my radar goes up here more than other places I've been too. Two words of advice from my experience:You can't go wrong following NorthScottsw2 advice. Also, watch your alcohol consumption, that is, don't get wasted. See my long ago post about what happened to the unfortunate drunk Latino who went outside to wait for his cab.

BTW, it's been a few months since my last visit but the dances along the wall were $10 and the VIP area was $20. Though I didn't partake, perhaps the dances at the tables were cheaper.

Higgs

[NorthScotts2]

Higgs, you are right about the wall being $10. I got a few from a dancer at the seats by the wall for $10 but I have never gone to VIP. The funny thing is that some of the dancers quoted $5 dances at the table while others wouldn't do them at the table. They always want to go to the wall.

Now that you mention the alcohol consumption, I don't think I have bought more than one beer there. Probably has more to do with me being there during working hours. I may try to head over there today and I'll let you know if it is still the same.


You can't go wrong following NorthScottsw2 advice. Also, watch your alcohol consumption, that is, don't get wasted. See my long ago post about what happened to the unfortunate drunk Latino who went outside to wait for his cab.

BTW, it's been a few months since my last visit but the dances along the wall were $10 and the VIP area was $20. Though I didn't partake, perhaps the dances at the tables were cheaper.

Higgs

[NorthScotts2]

Since Chicas was mentioned yesterday, I wanted to go back and see how my memory held up. I went over there around 1 PM and to my surprise, there were about 5-6 dancers with a few more arriving throughout the 30 minutes I was there. Maybe because it is freaking hot out, there weren't any groups of people hanging around outside but I'm sure it is because it was earlier in the afternoon.

Down to the details:

1. There is a sign as you walk in that says $5 dances. I asked a few dancers and none of them would give $5 dances so count on $10 in the seats up against the wall.

2. 6 total dancers on the floor. 3 AA. 2 Latina's, and 1 White. None above a 5-6 in my opinion except for one of the AA girls who had a killer body and pretty face. She was on stage when I walked in then went up and sat at the bar with someone so I couldn't talk to her to get her name.

3. Heavier latina I had dance for me was sweet and had a nice backside but the belly and the tata's were severely disproportionate if you know what I mean. All in all, the $20 for two dances wasn't bad but I had enough.

4. In regards to the other questions about the atmosphere and safety, I felt very safe there today. The overall feeling was laid back, no colors present, no big rowdy groups, but just about 6 guys. 3 of which looked like they just got out of a board meeting.

Overall, I was disappointed with the day shift but to be fair, it was the 1-2pm timeframe and the girls were sweet. Just not stellar or up my alley. For $10 a dance, I'd be at Bandaids, Hilighter or a host of other places first.


Higgs, you are right about the wall being $10. I got a few from a dancer at the seats by the wall for $10 but I have never gone to VIP. The funny thing is that some of the dancers quoted $5 dances at the table while others wouldn't do them at the table. They always want to go to the wall.

Now that you mention the alcohol consumption, I don't think I have bought more than one beer there. Probably has more to do with me being there during working hours. I may try to head over there today and I'll let you know if it is still the same.

[Dick North]

This place is definitely worth a try. Many girls from the failing 32nd Christies are there including 'Mustang'.

Bring some $ for best results.

DN

[Heel Lover]

Anyone know if a "Dora" still works there? It's been about a year and a half since I've been able to stop in and sounds like it's changed not for the better. Mustang was my other favorite and at least I know she's at Sugar 44 now. Thanks for that info. Mustang is worth a visit. (skinny MILF if my memory serves right)

[Heel Lover]

I know Dream Palace is a joke, so is it only Le Girls? I guess Le Girls has a nude and a topless side (ABC setup) , but I could be wrong. And does anyone have a recent (since the change) report on Le Girls. Sorry for all the questions and I will take time to RTFF, but thought this might be quicker since it's basically just a general question and I am looking for latest info and don't want to waste time going there if it's not recommended by the strip club experts that you guys definitely are. Thanks!

[Ace2u]

Was in the neighborhood for a work dinner at the Stockyards so I Googled for strip clubs around me and Le Girls was just a block away. Didn't try to research on the smartphone so I went in somewhat cold.

Went in and the door guy asked if I had been there before. I told him no that I was from out of town. He told me it was usually a $10 cover but it was half off. Told me about the topless verses nude side. If going to the nude side it was a 1 drink minimum but I get to keep the cup. Opted to start on the topless side.

Sat at the bar and got my first beer ($4. 50) when a topless blonde came up behind me and started rubbing my back. She then climbed onto my lap. Asked what I was looking for and what was my favorite body part to play with. I told her I was a boob man and what I was looking for couldn't be found in the club. She's then offered to hook up the next day, at 5$/hh or 10$ an hour. Yes I am from out of town, but I am not a fool. She did a little grind and gave jr a hello handshake while fixing her bottom while on my lap. Tipped a buck for each song while she sat with / on me. Gave me her number to call and setup for the next day. Don't wait by the phone sweetheart. Never offered a dance while I was there. Interested members can PM me for the name, but I dumped her digits from my phone when I got back to the hotel.

Next up was another bleach blonde with some nice tatoos named Bently. She started off by saying she does not do single dances but only offers VIP at 3 songs for $100 or $400 for a half hour. Not going to commit to something like that without a test drive. She said she was worth it. I was also tossing a buck her way each song she was sitting with me. I told her that I was not dressed for a good time and she saaid that she was a clean dancer and that I would get a sexy dancy but no grind. Finished beer #2 and left for the night with most of my play money still in my pocket.

[Danimal Forth]

I know Dream Palace is a joke, so is it only Le Girls? I guess Le Girls has a nude and a topless side (ABC setup) , but I could be wrong. And does anyone have a recent (since the change) report on Le Girls.There was at least one recent report on Le Girls that I remember.

You asked a similar question a few years ago and you left out Blue Moon that time too. I don't know if you've already excluded it but I think it's the only other option. (And I'm not sure how you would have missed all the posts on Blue Moon either.)

[Papa Rotzi]

Le Girls recently opened a fully nude room, adjacent to the topless room. But much smaller. SO if you want a beer, head over to the topless side, enjoy a dance or two, then back into the lobby and over to the fully nude side.

A nice option, I suppose.


There was at least one recent report on Le Girls that I remember.

You asked a similar question a few years ago and you left out Blue Moon that time too. I don't know if you've already excluded it but I think it's the only other option. (And I'm not sure how you would have missed all the posts on Blue Moon either.)

[Dick North]

Anyone know if a "Dora" still works there? It's been about a year and a half since I've been able to stop in and sounds like it's changed not for the better. Mustang was my other favorite and at least I know she's at Sugar 44 now. Thanks for that info. Mustang is worth a visit. (skinny MILF if my memory serves right)Yep She is definitely a skinny MILF. Never much cared for her but she apparently has a serious following. (meaning I guess that she serves her clients well and charges them $ ad bankruptseum). I will say that the stage lighting is much in her favor at Sugar44.

The dancer I was sitting with said that she works at 3 clubs including occasional visits to Christies. I would recommend an early afternoon Monday visit to Sugar44 to get her schedule. Who knows maybe the blondie I was sitting next to was Dora. Don't know as I was interested in Bree a black chick.

I did have a nice conversation with Mustang tho as we reminisced about the old Christies and some of the staff especially "Artesia" OMG! She agrees that the 32nd Christies is in trouble.

Have fun.

DN

[Heel Lover]

You asked a similar question a few years ago and you left out Blue Moon that time too. I don't know if you've already excluded it but I think it's the only other option. (And I'm not sure how you would have missed all the posts on Blue Moon either.)

I have seen the Blue Moon posts and am interested in that place too. Just not sure about the neighborhood so much (I usually can only go in late afternoon / early evening). I have been to Le Girls, but before the change over and did like it. Seems like Le Girls is hotter ladies, way less contact. But per dance pricing. And Blue Moon is more contact and $41 + for 3 "dances".

I have been to the 32nd street Christies so much in my life before (I know it isn't nude, but I'm getting to the point) ; that I feel ok in that neighborhood-Le Girls / Castle Boutique is right there. I have never been to the Blue Moon and am probably missing out, but I will try and make it there some day.

Thanks for all the info and good times for everyone!

G

[Heel Lover]

Dora was a tall brunette (MILF also) , but doesn't mean she didn't dye her hair. She had a sexy European accent as well. I guess I really like the milfs!

"Yep She is definitely a skinny MILF. Never much cared for her but she apparently has a serious following. (meaning I guess that she serves her clients well and charges them $ ad bankruptseum). I will say that the stage lighting is much in her favor at Sugar44.

The dancer I was sitting with said that she works at 3 clubs including occasional visits to Christies. I would recommend an early afternoon Monday visit to Sugar44 to get her schedule. Who knows maybe the blondie I was sitting next to was Dora. Don't know as I was interested in Bree a black chick.

I did have a nice conversation with Mustang tho as we reminisced about the old Christies and some of the staff especially "Artesia" OMG! She agrees that the 32nd Christies is in trouble.

Have fun.

DN[/QUOTE]

[Mtnboy49]

[QUOTE=Heel Lover; 1799735]I did have a nice conversation with Mustang tho as we reminisced about the old Christies and some of the staff especially "Artesia" OMG! She agrees that the 32nd Christies is in trouble.

Great news. About Mustang. My ATF. I have been away from PHX for a few yrs and came back for avisit last month.

Stopped at Christies 32nd St and saw no one I knew. A MILF asian dancer told me there had been nearly a complete turn over and my friend Mustang was gone. Had a nice couple dances then left dejected and broken hearted.

Will definitely try Sugar 44 when I get back. Tried it onceafter the name change before I left. Wasn't too impressed then. Worth another try

[WellCharm]

Dora is Hungarian and has lived with her boyfriend for almost 10 years. I know her well. They went on a week long trip with me and a friend in April 2012 to Ixtapa Mexico. They have a business which has really recovered with the economy, so Dora says she has retired from the "entertainment" business. I won't be surprised to see her back at the HiLiter or Candy Store (the last places she worked) some day because I think the business gets in their blood.

[Redbull1]

Had the day off and have been itching to get out and visit some of my favorite single mommies. Stopped by bandaids around noon. Two for one drinks. You fellas know the drill. It was my first time to bandaids and it seems to be a popular day spot. Mostly thicker latina chicks on this visit, which isn't really my thing, so I had a few drinks and headed off to ole faithful, the hi liter. Same setup, two. For ones. And no. Cover. Pretty damn busy when I rolled in round one. Hooked up with a nice gal named sienna. At first she asked me if I wanted a dance and I politely declined; however, as she walked away she began to rub my shoulders and I was like, damn that feels lovely. So I stopped her and she mentioned that she was an lmt back in Michigan and that she would rub my back rather than dance. I took her up on her offer and away I drifted into blissful relaxation as I was on the receiving end of a hybrid lap dance / massage. It was pretty fuckin awesome. Now I know that massages can be had much cheaper, but I enjoyed my time with sienna and got a damn good massage. I recommend.

[Heel Lover]

Stopped by Desert Flame. Have been there a lot in the past since I live in the East Valley. Time was about 5pm and they had a decent # of dancers (maybe 8-10 which is decent for this club in day shift and then more come in around 6 of course). It is a fun club and pretty laid back."Morphine"-lip piercings and all-gave a decent if not a little mechanical dance-not much conversation and loses points for pretty much just leaving right away after being paid-I would rather have a dancer at least say enjoy the rest of your day / night or something simple like that. However, the Flame seems to have stepped it up (haven't been in there since March due to recent lack of time) with the quality of dancers. Elle (blond with big boobs) was busy giving dances, but she was very good looking. And Kristy / Christy who I have always liked (Blond MILF type with big boobs-I like the milfs!) was there, but I only saw here as I was leaving. Christy is popular so that is my fault as I could have just asked for her since she was probably getting ready or just in the dressing room most of the time I was there. There were not too many customers at the time so I don't really blame Christy for not working the floor too much at the time if she was there. They had plenty of other variety as well that were pretty good looking. It just happens that the two names I remember the most-besides the one I got a dance with-were blond with big knockers. I will go back for Christy and to try Elle if I see her-have never seen Elle there before in many previous visits.

[Heel Lover]

Sorry meant. 41 for 3 "dances"

G.


You asked a similar question a few years ago and you left out Blue Moon that time too. I don't know if you've already excluded it but I think it's the only other option. (And I'm not sure how you would have missed all the posts on Blue Moon either.)

I have seen the Blue Moon posts and am interested in that place too. Just not sure about the neighborhood so much (I usually can only go in late afternoon / early evening). I have been to Le Girls, but before the change over and did like it. Seems like Le Girls is hotter ladies, way less contact. But per dance pricing. And Blue Moon is more contact and $41 + for 3 "dances".

I have been to the 32nd street Christies so much in my life before (I know it isn't nude, but I'm getting to the point) ; that I feel ok in that neighborhood-Le Girls / Castle Boutique is right there. I have never been to the Blue Moon and am probably missing out, but I will try and make it there some day.

Thanks for all the info and good times for everyone!

G

[RZM1231]

Sorry meant. 41 for 3 "dances"

G.So I usually have a good time at the Moon, most girls allow high mileage and if you strike a nice conversation with any, thing can get "very" interesting, girls can range from 5s-10s depending on the time and day. As far as safety, it has not been an issue for me at all, for your own safety in any club, don't show up trying to be flashy or attention to your self.

[Eboniman]

Took my maiden voyage to Pink Rhino a few nights ago. Got there about 930 and it was dead. Bartender said they'd only been open about an hour. Things are pretty much in full swing by 11. I saw black, white, latina even an hawaiian dancer. Its pretty much a big booty club. No skinny minnie's. At least not that night.

Focused on one and turns out she gave an amazing dance. Got a few from here. She took a break and her friend came over. Really wasnt interested but I went and agreed to a dance with her. She gets on her knees rubs the soldier and fake BJ's. I was like we should go outside so you can do that forreal. She responds,"we might be able to arrange that". Really got my attention and all of a sudden I was happy I agreed to get a dance from. 3 dances and a few $3 drinks for her and the party was on.

Before long, I tell her I'm going to the car follow me in 10 minutes. She agrees right away. (Still no mention of extra $). She comes to the car, we drive and talk for a few minutes. I see a good spot to take care of business and stop. Soldier out and she's undressing and then she asks how much am I going to give her for this. .5 and she's very happy with that. She starts BBBJ. Good technique. Them dances (mostly from her friend) had me primed. This won't take long at all. CIM and she stayed until she got every drop. Gave her the $ and back to the club we go. I like the pink rhino now.

Of course all of this was just a dream.

[Aajaxx]

I visited Hiliter today. My ATF was not there, but had a thin hard bodied blond come to visit. When I mean hard body, I mean it, thin but defined lean muscles, A cup, very graceful. I commented her on her body and she said she is thin right now as she is training for a full iron man. The full deal. 2.6 mile swim. 112 mile bike, then full marathon. Her name was T*why. Had a dance and the chemistry was there right off the bat. Lots of 2 way contact on the floor. 5 dances on the floor and we both wanted to go back to VIP. Lets just say money well spent and very satisfied.

Lots of really good looking blonds today. She explained there were a lot of girls coming over from Christies.

It was too bad that I had her first because she ruined the rest of the ladies for me that day and I was there to kill some time before a meeting. The rest of the ladies paled in comparison, and the dances seemed lackluster.

I like to hit Hiliter about every 4-6 weeks. I may up that a little more.

Happy Hunting Gents,

AJ

[Jerikson40]

I'm trying to compile some notes after something of a cross country strip club marathon (well, kinda.) which included a stop in PHX. But my crappy memory is making things difficult.

Can someone verify for me. The laps out on the main floor at Bandaids and HiLiter are topless, right?

It sucks getting old.

Thanks.

[Ass Man69]

Was in town and decided to hit up blue moon last night. I usually recognize a couple dancers but not this time. All the girls were new so I decided to test the waters a bit.

Got a dance will Ellie, she was the hottest girl in the club by far. She was young 5'2 white girl with a rockin little body, however her dance was pretty tame. The grind was ok and limited touching was allowed.

I then got a dance with Indigo. This will forever traumatized my strip club experience. She was totally cool to talk to, however once the dance got started, things went south. This girl had the worst body odor I have ever smelled in my entire life. As she stripped down and started grinding on my lap, the smell from down south was more than I could handle. I didn't want to be rude so I pretty much just held my breathe. I left right after the dance and could still smell her nastiness on my shorts. It was BAD! I'm not exaggerating one bit either. I jammed back to my hotel, jumped in the shower, changed and headed to the HiLiter to save the night.

I'm sticking to the day shift from now on here.

[Danimal Forth]

Can someone verify for me. The laps out on the main floor at Bandaids and HiLiter are topless, right?Seems like some of the girls don't get topless until midway through the dance, but yes Bandaid is definitely tops off. Unfortunately I can't tell you about the other club.

[Slacker30]

Just an update on clubs I have visited recently.

Went to the new club in Tempe, Elite Cabaret on Mc Clintock 1 block north of the 202, next to U-Haul. It used to be 910 live, and still has entertainment in the back of the club on weekends.

Went on day shift. Slow with about 3 dancers, and 3-4 customers, but their dayshift has only been going for 3-4 weeks. More girls come in about 6. Nice club inside with private dance areas. Drink specials during the day with 2/1 drafts for $5. They also give away free passes for no cover at nights. So if you want to stop by and have a couple cheap cool ones, chat up a girl without a hard sell, and get some free passes for nights, so you can check out all that "may" be available at night, it's worth a day visit.

T and A Cabaret (the topless one on Central) is still a great value. I posted about it in the fall. Went there yesterday about 5:30. The place was FULL. About 15 dancers. With 2/1 drafts, no cover, and $5 floor dances, you can't go wrong. If you are in the mood for some tits and ass (no pun intended) on your way home, and want to keep your budget in check, this club is the spot. Friday probably has the most girls. Happy Hour lasts until 7.

Hit Jaguar up about 1AM last night. Have been there in the day as my previous posts indicate, but not at nights when they have lots of girls and the "make it rain" 2 girls on main stage and 3-4 side stages going.

Girls still come around here and ask for dances at night even though the stage is where much of their money evolves. It is $10 to get in, and they have after hours till 4 on weekends, till 3 during the week. Worth checking out if you can get away at night. Decent dances and I'm sure extra curricular activities to be had with the right girl. Very busy last night which was Friday.

[Slacker30]

Was in town and decided to hit up blue moon last night. I usually recognize a couple dancers but not this time. All the girls were new so I decided to test the waters a bit.

Got a dance will Ellie, she was the hottest girl in the club by far. She was young 5'2 white girl with a rockin little body, however her dance was pretty tame. The grind was ok and limited touching was allowed.

I then got a dance with Indigo. This will forever traumatized my strip club experience. She was totally cool to talk to, however once the dance got started, things went south. This girl had the worst body odor I have ever smelled in my entire life. As she stripped down and started grinding on my lap, the smell from down south was more than I could handle. I didn't want to be rude so I pretty much just held my breathe. I left right after the dance and could still smell her nastiness on my shorts. It was BAD! I'm not exaggerating one bit either. I jammed back to my hotel, jumped in the shower, changed and headed to the HiLiter to save the night.

I'm sticking to the day shift from now on here.I agree about day shift there. Better vibe. Day shifts in strip clubs attract a different dancer much of the time, and it is a slower hustle since the club may be a little slower, and a higher percentage of the dancers "may" be a little older and more mature.

I've found with Blue Moon that you have to gamble on multiple dancers for awhile to see who will provide the service and company you are looking for. Then once you have both blown money and enjoyed multiple dancers, you can narrow it down to a couple that you will exclusively see when you go there, whom you know will be satisfying.

Other than that the $41 plus tip adds up fast, and you're better off just going to a spa where you know what you will get.

[Zoo TV]

9 arrested at Ariz. Studio linked to prostitution.

Posted at: 06/21/2013 2:05 PM*By. AP) PHOENIX. At least nine people could be charged after authorities raided a Phoenix studio on Thursday that investigators say used pornography as a front for prostitution, ostensibly luring clients who want to star in their own adult films. The Arizona Republic reports (http://bit.ly/19WL2RN) that studio owner William James Hartwell. 52, and eight women were taken into custody Thursday following the raid of the business near Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport. Officers quickly made entry into the business, operated by New Media Studios, and immediately began escorting women out. Some wore dresses and jeans, one woman had leopard-print pajamas, and another was visibly pregnant and told officers she was weeks away from giving birth, officials said. According to court documents, operators would check customers for sexually transmitted diseases by requiring them to drop their pants and expose themselves. Investigators believe this was as much an attempt to screen for law-enforcement officers, who might be prohibited from exposing themselves, than it was to check for diseases. Then a customer would meet with a woman in a private room where photos were taken. The women told clients that they made money taking photos and "whatever else happens, happens," according to records. There is no sign outside the beige block building alluding to the business or its trade, but the company frequently placed ads in the adult-services sections of popular websites, including some posted Thursday asking for models and promoting services for new clients. And a website affiliated with the company details the legal theory that some believed made the business legitimate."Most porn is constitutionally protected as free speech," the site states."While at the studio you are paying for equipment and studio rental only and may not engage in any illegal or unsafe activities. If you come to make amateur porn, you are welcome at the studio."Police say the raid comes after a six-month investigation. Whether the studio was making pornography or serving as a prostitution front will be the crucial question for prosecutors. Arizona law prohibits the production and sale of obscene material, but proving a violation of obscenity statutes typically requires proof that someone ran afoul of community standards with material that had no legal, artistic or scientific value. Investigators said Hartwell told an arresting officer that he was not surprised police showed up at his company's door."We've been expecting you guys for a long time," Hartwell said as he was escorted to a police car."We run a safe, legal business."It was unclear if he had an attorney. ___Information from: The Arizona Republic, http://www.azcentral.com (Copyright 2013 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) More Sharing ServicesSharePrint**

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[Slacker30]

9 arrested at Ariz. Studio linked to prostitution.

Posted at: 06/21/2013 2:05 PM*By. AP) PHOENIX. At least nine people could be charged after authorities raided a Phoenix studio on Thursday that investigators say used pornography as a front for prostitution, ostensibly luring clients who want to star in their own adult films. The Arizona Republic reports (

http://bit.ly/19WL2RN

) that studio owner William James Hartwell. 52, and eight women were taken into custody Thursday following the raid of the business near Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport. Officers quickly made entry into the business, operated by New Media Studios, and immediately began escorting women out. Some wore dresses and jeans, one woman had leopard-print pajamas, and another was visibly pregnant and told officers she was weeks away from giving birth, officials said. According to court documents, operators would check customers for sexually transmitted diseases by requiring them to drop their pants and expose themselves. Investigators believe this was as much an attempt to screen for law-enforcement officers, who might be prohibited from exposing themselves, than it was to check for diseases. Then a customer would meet with a woman in a private room where photos were taken. The women told clients that they made money taking photos and "whatever else happens, happens," according to records. There is no sign outside the beige block building alluding to the business or its trade, but the company frequently placed ads in the adult-services sections of popular websites, including some posted Thursday asking for models and promoting services for new clients. And a website affiliated with the company details the legal theory that some believed made the business legitimate."Most porn is constitutionally protected as free speech," the site states."While at the studio you are paying for equipment and studio rental only and may not engage in any illegal or unsafe activities. If you come to make amateur porn, you are welcome at the studio."Police say the raid comes after a six-month investigation. Whether the studio was making pornography or serving as a prostitution front will be the crucial question for prosecutors. Arizona law prohibits the production and sale of obscene material, but proving a violation of obscenity statutes typically requires proof that someone ran afoul of community standards with material that had no legal, artistic or scientific value. Investigators said Hartwell told an arresting officer that he was not surprised police showed up at his company's door."We've been expecting you guys for a long time," Hartwell said as he was escorted to a police car."We run a safe, legal business."It was unclear if he had an attorney. ___Information from: The Arizona Republic,

http://www.azcentral.comThis has been discussed in detail on this forum, Go back a few weeks to a few months on here to see reviews from our members and to read a discussion about it.

[NikkiSpeer]

Hey Guys Nikki Here.

Since I'm Really Not Working That Much In Phx AnyMore, I've Been Wanting Too Start Dancing. I Do Great In Tucson!

I've Tried Babes (dead as hell)

Skins (too many rules, I want to have fun and make money, Ill get fired quick LOL)

Suga 44 (itsnt hiring at the moment)

Bliss (dead too)

I'm Still Learning Too Dance, So Pink Rhino Is Out My League LOL (white girl with no rhythm LOL)

So I Thought About Candy Store, Bandaids, Essex, Centerfolds & Jags!

HELP ME MY LOVES!

XOXO,

NIKKI SPEER

[Papa Rotzi]

Jags would require a body guard or body armor; tough to dance with that though. Maybe Christies in Tempe? Le Girls off Washington (near airport) has both a topless side and a full nude side. Babes in Scottsdale can be fun too. All the others are somewhat similar in that they are a little more blue collar, but are all OK for the most part. The scene changes a lot, depending on the current club manager, etc. I'll let others weigh in.


Hey Guys Nikki Here.

Since I'm Really Not Working That Much In Phx AnyMore, I've Been Wanting Too Start Dancing. I Do Great In Tucson!

I've Tried Babes (dead as hell)

Skins (too many rules, I want to have fun and make money, Ill get fired quick LOL)

Suga 44 (itsnt hiring at the moment)

Bliss (dead too)

I'm Still Learning Too Dance, So Pink Rhino Is Out My League LOL (white girl with no rhythm LOL)

So I Thought About Candy Store, Bandaids, Essex, Centerfolds & Jags!

HELP ME MY LOVES!

XOXO,

NIKKI SPEER

[Mrmikers]

Hey Guys Nikki Here.

Since I'm Really Not Working That Much In Phx AnyMore, I've Been Wanting Too Start Dancing. I Do Great In Tucson!

I've Tried Babes (dead as hell)

Skins (too many rules, I want to have fun and make money, Ill get fired quick LOL)

Suga 44 (itsnt hiring at the moment)

Bliss (dead too)

I'm Still Learning Too Dance, So Pink Rhino Is Out My League LOL (white girl with no rhythm LOL)

So I Thought About Candy Store, Bandaids, Essex, Centerfolds & Jags!

HELP ME MY LOVES!

XOXO,

NIKKI SPEERI'm a regular at Centerfolds, and I think you would like it there. Nice private VIP areas where lots of "fun" is allowed.

[Redbull1]

Sounds like your style.


Hey Guys Nikki Here.

Since I'm Really Not Working That Much In Phx AnyMore, I've Been Wanting Too Start Dancing. I Do Great In Tucson!

I've Tried Babes (dead as hell)

Skins (too many rules, I want to have fun and make money, Ill get fired quick LOL)

Suga 44 (itsnt hiring at the moment)

Bliss (dead too)

I'm Still Learning Too Dance, So Pink Rhino Is Out My League LOL (white girl with no rhythm LOL)

So I Thought About Candy Store, Bandaids, Essex, Centerfolds & Jags!

HELP ME MY LOVES!

XOXO,

NIKKI SPEER

[TylerPerelli]

Essex, Centerfolds, and Cheetahs would be my suggestions. Maybe even hiLiter. Guessing you want to bend the rules a bit. Let us know where you decide.


Hey Guys Nikki Here.

Since I'm Really Not Working That Much In Phx AnyMore, I've Been Wanting Too Start Dancing. I Do Great In Tucson!

I've Tried Babes (dead as hell)

Skins (too many rules, I want to have fun and make money, Ill get fired quick LOL)

Suga 44 (itsnt hiring at the moment)

Bliss (dead too)

I'm Still Learning Too Dance, So Pink Rhino Is Out My League LOL (white girl with no rhythm LOL)

So I Thought About Candy Store, Bandaids, Essex, Centerfolds & Jags!

HELP ME MY LOVES!

XOXO,

NIKKI SPEER

[Mike Plower]

I would pick Centerfolds. It is my favorite club! The girls working there have always been nice to me and I have never had any trouble with bouncers or club staff.

The VIP rooms are great for a more personal dance (my favorite kind =p) and I am rarely disappointed with any floor dance I get. I tried The Candy Store out a couple times

And the overall atmosphere is not as nice, saw too many floor lap dances that were more air than lap and the bouncers seem pretty aggressive.

I got scolded for putting one hand on a girl's calf while she was kneeling on me.

Let me know where you end up. I would love to help fill up your dance card =)


Hey Guys Nikki Here.

Since I'm Really Not Working That Much In Phx AnyMore, I've Been Wanting Too Start Dancing. I Do Great In Tucson!

I've Tried Babes (dead as hell)

Skins (too many rules, I want to have fun and make money, Ill get fired quick LOL)

Suga 44 (itsnt hiring at the moment)

Bliss (dead too)

I'm Still Learning Too Dance, So Pink Rhino Is Out My League LOL (white girl with no rhythm LOL)

So I Thought About Candy Store, Bandaids, Essex, Centerfolds & Jags!

HELP ME MY LOVES!

XOXO,

NIKKI SPEER

[Slacker30]

Jags would require a body guard or body armor; tough to dance with that though. Maybe Christies in Tempe? Le Girls off Washington (near airport) has both a topless side and a full nude side. Babes in Scottsdale can be fun too. All the others are somewhat similar in that they are a little more blue collar, but are all OK for the most part. The scene changes a lot, depending on the current club manager, etc. I'll let others weigh in.I don't know why you say that about Jaguar. It is a VERY classy club, it's interior rivals Christies. Just because the night shift has a format like Pink Rhino, and is predominately brown and black doesn't make the club unsafe. Don't forget it was a white person from Scottsdale who shot up Bush Company. She doesn't want to work in a booty shaking club as she feels she lacks the skills. Dayshift at Jaguar isn't like that, it is laid back just like any other club, with older white customers in the mix. It could be an ok place to get hired at along with a few others in the mix.

Business wise in the Phoenix area Hi-Liter and Bandaids are the most consistent and dayshifts tend to have more older customers. Candy Store is ok as well. I think Nikki may have an advantage at Bandaids, with Jaguar as a backup club, both working dayshifts. They both would be glad to have an extra white girl. She'd be just another white face at Hi-Liter and Centerfolds, and would both fit in and offer an alternative at Bandaids and Jags. I have been involved in this business for a long time, and that is my humble opinion. In fact I have a good vibe about Nikki at those 2 clubs on days.

Cheetahs is slow IMO and does not have the right layout for the Phoenix $10 wanna dance environment, and Centerfolds is hit and miss. Essex is dead. The make it rain clubs at night have the only decent money for popular dancers at night nowadays in the summer. That comes from stage tips.

[Papa Rotzi]

One while I was there. Nice club inside but the crowd is less than stellar. Love the pat downs, the armed security. Etc. Back when it was Penthouse it didn't attract the same crowds (I think we're talking about the same club. McDowell and the 17?)


I don't know why you say that about Jaguar. It is a VERY classy club, it's interior rivals Christies. Just because the night shift has a format like Pink Rhino, and is predominately brown and black doesn't make the club unsafe. Don't forget it was a white person from Scottsdale who shot up Bush Company. She doesn't want to work in a booty shaking club as she feels she lacks the skills. Dayshift at Jaguar isn't like that, it is laid back just like any other club, with older white customers in the mix. It could be an ok place to get hired at along with a few others in the mix.

Business wise in the Phoenix area Hi-Liter and Bandaids are the most consistent and dayshifts tend to have more older customers. Candy Store is ok as well. I think Nikki may have an advantage at Bandaids, with Jaguar as a backup club, both working dayshifts. They both would be glad to have an extra white girl. She'd be just another white face at Hi-Liter and Centerfolds, and would both fit in and offer an alternative at Bandaids and Jags. I have been involved in this business for a long time, and that is my humble opinion. In fact I have a good vibe about Nikki at those 2 clubs on days.

Cheetahs is slow IMO and does not have the right layout for the Phoenix $10 want to dance environment, and Centerfolds is hit and miss. Essex is dead. The make it rain clubs at night have the only decent money for popular dancers at night nowadays in the summer. That comes from stage tips.

[NikkiSpeer]

Thank you for all the advice & support! You guys are amazing _.

Think I'm going to try bandaids & Jags this week & see how it goes. I'll then try centerfolds, hiliter, candy store & bourbon street next.

Dance classes start Tuesday! I'll be good soon haha

Deff keep you guys updated!

XOXO,

NS

[Wally3349]

One while I was there. Nice club inside but the crowd is less than stellar. Love the pat downs, the armed security. Etc. Back when it was Penthouse it didn't attract the same crowds (I think we're talking about the same club. McDowell and the 17?)Papa's right on this one in my opinion. I go out to relax and have fun, and the couple of times I've been here it feels a bit tense. It's not a race issue, it's a bad guy issue.

[Mynuhts]

I would second that suggestion. Centerfolds is my fav.

Make sure to tell us when your there.


I would pick Centerfolds. It is my favorite club! The girls working there have always been nice to me and I have never had any trouble with bouncers or club staff.

The VIP rooms are great for a more personal dance (my favorite kind =p) and I am rarely disappointed with any floor dance I get. I tried The Candy Store out a couple times

And the overall atmosphere is not as nice, saw too many floor lap dances that were more air than lap and the bouncers seem pretty aggressive.

I got scolded for putting one hand on a girl's calf while she was kneeling on me.

Let me know where you end up. I would love to help fill up your dance card =)

[Slacker30]

Because there is less supervision, more dancers who are older, no cover charge in most cases, the clientele is more "acceptable" which warrants less supervision, less chance for random violence, which if it happens too much can cause a club to face closure, less chance to be pulled over for a DUI after having several drinks in the afternoon versus 1 or 2 AM.

At night there is more of a party crowd, during the day people go out for a drink or 2. The party crowd getting out of hand scares club staff members, because if something pops off in the club requiring police intervention, it could cause the club to be seen by the establishment as a nuisance, which needs to be shut down. That is why IMO bouncers are more on guard at night, and may watch the VIP and dance areas more, where in the daytime, less eyes exist, and those eyes that do exist barely pay attention to the dances.

As far as Jaguar night shift, a middle aged white man has nothing to fear there. When / If gang issues, or an act of violence occurs or an isolated shooting, due to pat downs that will happen in the parking lot, and these kinds of shootings are targeted. They don't want to shoot anyone but the person they have a beef with. Not a white older patron minding his business. I would fear leaving the club at 1 AM with liquor in my system more than being shot.

As far as Nikki is concerned, she is merely looking to make a profitable living as a dancer, not to work at a club fellow mongers enjoy getting cheap extras at. I have had a direct and indirect involvement in the strip club business for some years now, and the clubs I mentioned for Nikki to consider had nothing to do with clubs mongers like for extras. It was purely about where she could get hired and make the most money by being able to sell a maximum amount of dances, get the maximum amount of tips, and build some regular customers.

That said, I know Candy Store watches for excess contact as I personally know someone who worked there. But they get decent business, and guys buy dances there so I mentioned it. I personally don't care for the club.

Some of the places I have enjoyed, I may not recommend to a dancer looking for a new place to work.

[Reallly Bored]

I actually like the Candy Store. Everyone is very friendly, and I have never gotten a dance I didn't like. I have not gone VIP, though.


Hey Guys Nikki Here.

Since I'm Really Not Working That Much In Phx AnyMore, I've Been Wanting Too Start Dancing. I Do Great In Tucson!

I've Tried Babes (dead as hell)

Skins (too many rules, I want to have fun and make money, Ill get fired quick LOL)

Suga 44 (itsnt hiring at the moment)

Bliss (dead too)

I'm Still Learning Too Dance, So Pink Rhino Is Out My League LOL (white girl with no rhythm LOL)

So I Thought About Candy Store, Bandaids, Essex, Centerfolds & Jags!

HELP ME MY LOVES!

XOXO,

NIKKI SPEER

[NikkiSpeer]

So in your opinion where would be the best place to dance at during the day?

& you were right on the ticket, I want to dance not provide cheap services in a club. My Hero<3 haha.


Because there is less supervision, more dancers who are older, no cover charge in most cases, the clientele is more "acceptable" which warrants less supervision, less chance for random violence, which if it happens too much can cause a club to face closure, less chance to be pulled over for a DUI after having several drinks in the afternoon versus 1 or 2 AM.

At night there is more of a party crowd, during the day people go out for a drink or 2. The party crowd getting out of hand scares club staff members, because if something pops off in the club requiring police intervention, it could cause the club to be seen by the establishment as a nuisance, which needs to be shut down. That is why IMO bouncers are more on guard at night, and may watch the VIP and dance areas more, where in the daytime, less eyes exist, and those eyes that do exist barely pay attention to the dances.

As far as Jaguar night shift, a middle aged white man has nothing to fear there. When / If gang issues, or an act of violence occurs or an isolated shooting, due to pat downs that will happen in the parking lot, and these kinds of shootings are targeted. They don't want to shoot anyone but the person they have a beef with. Not a white older patron minding his business. I would fear leaving the club at 1 AM with liquor in my system more than being shot.

As far as Nikki is concerned, she is merely looking to make a profitable living as a dancer, not to work at a club fellow mongers enjoy getting cheap extras at. I have had a direct and indirect involvement in the strip club business for some years now, and the clubs I mentioned for Nikki to consider had nothing to do with clubs mongers like for extras. It was purely about where she could get hired and make the most money by being able to sell a maximum amount of dances, get the maximum amount of tips, and build some regular customers.

That said, I know Candy Store watches for excess contact as I personally know someone who worked there. But they get decent business, and guys buy dances there so I mentioned it. I personally don't care for the club.

Some of the places I have enjoyed, I may not recommend to a dancer looking for a new place to work.

[Slacker30]

So in your opinion where would be the best place to dance at during the day?

& you were right on the ticket, I want to dance not provide cheap services in a club. My Hero<3 haha.I sent you a PM.

[Mike Plower]

I am going to have to say Centerfolds. When I have been there it has almost always been between 1p and 4pm. There has never seemed to be a shortage of dancers. The only time is seems a little empty, I head back for a VIP dance and see there are quite a few dancers already occupied with other VIP dances. I love the fact there is no cover during the day and I can pass that along to the dancers. I have never seen any type of dangerous behavior or people and have always felt 100% safe there. Best of luck in your search! If you need someone to practice your lap dances on at home, let me know because I would be happy to volunteer =) =)


So in your opinion where would be the best place to dance at during the day?

[NikkiSpeer]

Ill def keep you mind and let you kno! I think my lap dances are on point! Just need to get better at being a booty popper and ass shaker! Haha one dAy! One day!


I am going to have to say Centerfolds. When I have been there it has almost always been between 1p and 4pm. There has never seemed to be a shortage of dancers. The only time is seems a little empty, I head back for a VIP dance and see there are quite a few dancers already occupied with other VIP dances. I love the fact there is no cover during the day and I can pass that along to the dancers. I have never seen any type of dangerous behavior or people and have always felt 100% safe there. Best of luck in your search! If you need someone to practice your lap dances on at home, let me know because I would be happy to volunteer =) =)

[Papa Rotzi]

Had dinner with a few friends nearby, and we decided to drop in for a quick drink, as it was about a block away and my one friend knows the owner and managers so no cover, which is always nice. Walked in the door (around 8:45pm) , tipped the door babe $5 (since no cover, why not?) and through the doorway into the club, and I thought the place was closed. We were the ONLY patrons in the club. Four dancers sitting at the bar, swapping stories. I stayed about 30 minutes. None of the dancers approached; none of the dancers danced on stage. So we sat at the other half of the bar and nursed our drinks and listened to bad music. I left around 9:15, just as 2 other men were entering the club. I don't think I've ever been in a totally empty strip club at 9pm on ANY night; it was just strange.

[Anotheronedown]

Had dinner with a few friends nearby, and we decided to drop in for a quick drink, as it was about a block away and my one friend knows the owner and managers so no cover, which is always nice. Walked in the door (around 8:45pm) , tipped the door babe $5 (since no cover, why not?) and through the doorway into the club, and I thought the place was closed. We were the ONLY patrons in the club. Four dancers sitting at the bar, swapping stories. I stayed about 30 minutes. None of the dancers approached; none of the dancers danced on stage. So we sat at the other half of the bar and nursed our drinks and listened to bad music. I left around 9:15, just as 2 other men were entering the club. I don't think I've ever been in a totally empty strip club at 9pm on ANY night; it was just strange.Sounds like pink rhino most nights.

The few times I've been there is been a ghost town.

[Slacker30]

Sounds like pink rhino most nights.

The few times I've been there is been a ghost town.This just shows how fickle a business this is. The last time I was at Babes was last summer on a Thursday evening about 10. 5 customers, the waitress pretended she forgot to give us our change. There was a black limo out front with the driver standing outside, and the limo patron was a wealthy middle aged white man getting non stop dances from a black dancer who was his regular. No other money being spent. Drive by in the day and it's slow too. I don't know what the problem is.

As far as Pink Rhino goes, the cardinal rule that applies to going to an urban club is: NEVER GO BEFORE 11:30 PM. After Midnight the club fills up rather quickly.

[Danimal Forth]

I have never really been a fan but I did see Jessie / Jesse was back on Friday late afternoon. She went much larger on the implants than I expected.

Other girls keep talking about getting work done. If you're in my camp, these girls need to hear more often that many guys who go to strip clubs like small breasts just fine.

[DavePHX]

Hey Guys Nikki Here.

Since I'm Really Not Working That Much In Phx AnyMore, I've Been Wanting Too Start Dancing. I Do Great In Tucson!

So I Thought About Candy Store, Bandaids, Essex, Centerfolds & Jags!I've been to most of the clubs going back 20 years but skipped about 10 with the new law that outlaws even hugging when fully clothed. But amazingly last about 3 years not enforced (I spoke before City Council against it).

Depends on basically amount of contact you want.

Bandaids is a dump and not your class most of the White dancers sent to sister club Hi-Liter so more hispanic's some don't speak much English especially from recent reports. It use to be one of my fav but irrational temper throwing bouncer at night and most gals I knew have left.

Candy Store is virtually no contact so I haven't gone for a long time but recent reviews here on the big strip club site, where I have many also confirm.

Centerfolds or Hi-Liter would be my recommendation for nicer clubs.

Essex seems much better than the old Pantara.nice remodel, nice comfortable VIP but not huge fees and very friendly management it seems (not sure if same management as with Pantara.

[Slacker30]

I have never really been a fan but I did see Jessie / Jesse was back on Friday late afternoon. She went much larger on the implants than I expected.

Other girls keep talking about getting work done. If you're in my camp, these girls need to hear more often that many guys who go to strip clubs like small breasts just fine.I"ve known many dancers and in the industry, many of the dancers with boob jobs seem to sell more dances, make more money. That is what they feel. Of course it depends on their overall cuteness and getting implants that are well proportionate to their bodies.

[Slacker30]

I've been to most of the clubs going back 20 years but skipped about 10 with the new law that outlaws even hugging when fully clothed. But amazingly last about 3 years not enforced (I spoke before City Council against it).

Depends on basically amount of contact you want.

Bandaids is a dump and not your class most of the White dancers sent to sister club Hi-Liter so more hispanic's some don't speak much English especially from recent reports. It use to be one of my fav but irrational temper throwing bouncer at night and most gals I knew have left.

Candy Store is virtually no contact so I haven't gone for a long time but recent reviews here on the big strip club site, where I have many also confirm.

Centerfolds or Hi-Liter would be my recommendation for nicer clubs.

Essex seems much better than the old Pantara. Nice remodel, nice comfortable VIP but not huge fees and very friendly management it seems (not sure if same management as with Pantara.I am looking at this from a money making perspective. The very fact that Hi Liter hires more white girls and Bandaids more non white is troubling. Bandaids dancers are not inferior to Hi Liter ones because more are non white. Why is being white superior to being non white? 25% of the dancers on the books at Bandaids are white and that gives a girl in the minority more attention just because she is different. Being just another white girl in a club doesn't give a dancer any edge. Bandaids has a diverse clientele and is a busy club. Bandaids, HiLiter, and Candy Store are where more dances are sold. During every song, multiple girls are doing dances. That can't be said for every club in town. I think a dancer would be most concerned about working where she is able to sell a couple dozen dances a shift, and an occasional VIP, on a regular basis, over working in a place where dances and customers are hit and miss.

Saying that a club is not Nikki's class just because she is caucasian is questionable. How do you know what her "class" is? From reading her posts she has a very diverse group of friends and that includes men of color.

Essex is slow and doesn't have the money spending dance buying clientele. Hank's (the Bandaid's/Hiliter/Curves/Raiders Reef/2 TD's in Albuquerque owner) son I was told is running Essex. I am not downing the club because it is in Maryvale. It has been remodeled nicely. Cheetah has been remodeled nicely too. But go to Cheetah and count how many dances are being done in an hour, and then go down the street and do the same thing at Bandaids for an hour. Centerfolds is just hit and miss for a dancer. It all depends on if a few money spending guys come in. A dancer just going table to table there won't have consistent earnings.

From a mongers perspective, I think it just depends on which club has the girls we are comfortable patronizing. Girls change clubs all the time.

I am aware of Damian the bouncer at night at Bandaids. I personally know a girl who worked at Candy Store and Bandaids who knew Damian well. And far as Bandaids goes Dave, Saturday day shift is decent there and the bouncers aren't a problem. Lots of these clubs are more guarded at night.

[TylerPerelli]

Not to knock Bandaids, yet I think what Dave meant when he stated it wasn't 't her class was.

As an attractive and known commodity for her professional ventures outside the club, she may "fit" in better elsewhere.

Having found girls of all races to my liking, if we are honest, some clubs are more diversity than others. Also, with that diversity, some clubs have more attractive girls than others. However, we all know a "lower end" club is often more fun and does more business than some of the other clubs.

There is a difference between no contact, some contact, major contact, and extras. Compare the Scottsdale clubs with the Phoenix clubs to confirm.

My quick groupings:

Babes, Skin, Christies, Elite.

HiLiter, Centerfolds, Bourbon Street Circus, Esquisite.

Essex, Jaguars, Cheetahs, Chicas, Teasers, Fox, Pink Rhino.

[DavePHX]

I am looking at this from a money making perspective. The very fact that Hi Liter hires more white girls and Bandaids more non white is troubling. Bandaids dancers are not inferior to Hi Liter ones because more are non white. Why is being white superior to being non white?That was a bad comment, I had just read the description on another board but I didn't mean to mix race with class, however besides Damion giving me a bad taste for Bandaids it was more many gals that don't speak English well and I sometimes have a hard time with Mexican accents.

Mostly comments were its "class" related say for example Hi-Liter a worse area and physically not as nice of a club as in my view Hi-Liter, Centerfolds or some of the others.

I will say for getting dances its one of the better ones unlike some "nicer" ones where sometimes Higgs and I joke when go together we need a "pick me" sign and harder to get dancers to approach us older guys. My only interest is good interaction with my type of dancer. Don't drink and get bored quickly with stage dancing and enjoy some intelligent conversation (in English).

I've met some great dancers in the past at Bandaids, many that were college students etc but the atmosphere has seemed to change lately and and dancers I knew left.

My non-white comments also relate more to my preference for taller slender types and some of most attractive have been black. Just not as into the common shorter Hispanic or Asian but there have been great exceptions. Sort of why after Thailand and PI found Canada more my interests with the more European body types and much more sensual, intimate than those from the U. S (with of course exceptions).

Long explanation but didn't mean anything as a racial slur just personal preferences and for nicer clubs physically.

[Slacker30]

That was a bad comment, I had just read the description on another board but I didn't mean to mix race with class, however besides Damion giving me a bad taste for Bandaids it was more many gals that don't speak English well and I sometimes have a hard time with Mexican accents.

Mostly comments were its "class" related say for example Hi-Liter a worse area and physically not as nice of a club as in my view Hi-Liter, Centerfolds or some of the others.

I will say for getting dances its one of the better ones unlike some "nicer" ones where sometimes Higgs and I joke when go together we need a "pick me" sign and harder to get dancers to approach us older guys. My only interest is good interaction with my type of dancer. Don't drink and get bored quickly with stage dancing and enjoy some intelligent conversation (in English).

I've met some great dancers in the past at Bandaids, many that were college students etc but the atmosphere has seemed to change lately and and dancers I knew left.

My non-white comments also relate more to my preference for taller slender types and some of most attractive have been black. Just not as into the common shorter Hispanic or Asian but there have been great exceptions. Sort of why after Thailand and PI found Canada more my interests with the more European body types and much more sensual, intimate than those from the U. S (with of course exceptions).

Long explanation but didn't mean anything as a racial slur just personal preferences and for nicer clubs physically.I understand.

Clubs like Bandaids and Hi-Liter go back into the 60's when lap dancing wasn't available yet. Bandaids used to be called The Caper, home of the Caper Kittens, which was painted on the building. Hi-Liter used to be more of a biker hangout.

Due to the inability of strip clubs to move when they have outgrown their facilities, we get stuck with clubs in inferior buildings and locations. Bandaids doesn't have many options with that small of floorspace. Hi-Liter's building is a little wider, but the girls barely can move in the dressing room. These places cannot move into better buildings and transfer their liquor licenses.

I understand wanting to interact with a more intellectually compatible dancer. The new club, Elite Cabaret in Tempe is still slow business wise, but has a good mix of girls like you describe, some are very pretty. I won't vouch for the type of contact you will get, hopefully their business will grow as the summer ends, because they have some nice looking girls who aren't ghetto in any way.

[Orangewood]

I'm going to be in the Valley the week of 8/4 through 8/9 and think it would be fun to hit the hot spots with some of the knowledgeable local mongers. Anyone up for hanging out, seeing some ladies? I'll confess that I enjoy an experience with a lot of the extra services that make the experience seem full, if you follow. PM if interested.

Play safe, but play hard, gents.

[Slacker30]

Not seeing any recent activity from the usually active Phoenix mongers. I hope you all haven't retired from the hobby. :)

[Gjammun]

The talent never dissapoints. But looks like the booths in VIP have been switched around. There are least three that face the curtains. I hadn't been in a few months. A handful of the same girls but not quite the same vibe. Looks like they took some of the chairs out in the back middle so wider walkway. Maybe I am over thinking but doesn't make the wall portion in the back half feel as hidden from bouncer view.

Recent visit was Wednesday night around 1030. Good sized crowd girl guy ratio. One of my top fives is an Asian girl mid 30's not quite bolt ons but long nipples sometimes wears a leather bondage type pieces that traces her frame. Very friendly on the floor. Forget her name. Some others kept me occupied no great stories.

Sorry Slacker

[Higgs Boson]

I was out of the country for almost a month. That's a whole other story but now I'm catching up on my strip clubs and reporting.

In June I mentioned a couple of visits to unnamed clubs and I also didn't mention the names of the dancers who made some friendly 'offers'. After that report I got a couple of private messages from people I've never heard of asking for dancers' names and the clubs. I don't publicly identify dancers who make private offers in clubs because, well, it's private. It's of no business to people I don't know, I want to protect the dancers and clubs from people who may object to such private offers and possible outcomes.

OK, back to reporting on the past and current visits.

I wanted to mention that the unmentioned club had some truly hot dancers at the club in June including one whose fit but not muscular body, nice legs, and hairstyle had my imagination racing. She would have made a very interesting fetish model. Haven't seen her since but I'd sure like to. That same evening dancer #2 insisted on giving me her phone number. How could I say no? I almost did a 'spit take' with my beer when dancer #3 said she didn't have a gag reflex. Just to inform local LE and county officials, I'm sure she was joking with me. (smile)

A week later, the first dancer was nowhere to be seen but the second and third were there. This time the third dancer insisted on giving me her phone number. Unfortunately, she wrote it out to me directly in front of the second dancer. You could see the daggers flying out of the eyes of dancer #2. I decided it might be better to put off my return to that club.

After my trip I made that return visit. Of the three dancers, only #2 remained. We had an enjoyable time. She said she had to be gone the following week but would see me after that. I think she has plans for me.

I dropped by Stilettos last weekend for a couple of drinks. I like to visit a club every now and then to see if there are interesting changes. Stilettos is almost turning into a club for blue collar retirees. At least that's what it looked like on Saturday night. I recognized none of the dancers. A couple of them were hot, the others, not so much. Decided to check out another club.

Arrived at Chicas (formerly Mustang Sally's). It's just down the road from Stilettos. Went in the front door, no one asked me for a cover charge, and I took my usual place at the bar and got a beer. It's Banda Night! They actually had a live band playing Mexican Banda. They did a couple of sets, separated by an hour or so. It was fun and there were a two or three couples there who got up and danced. As usual for Chicas, I was quickly joined at the bar by a dancer. First some small talk and flirting, then dances. Nice enough, nothing special, then I returned to the bar.

I looked up from my beer and a figure emerged from the dancers' dressing room. This dancer had the largest natural breasts I've seen in a long time. When I say large, I really mean immense. I believe she also danced at the club when it was Mustang Sally's but I don't remember seeing her after the change to Chica's. I also never experienced dances with her before and we made up for lost time. After several fantastic dances, I decided that I couldn't completely empty my wallet right then. She also said she was expecting her ride, another dancer, to be leaving soon. I said something along the line of 'no more dances'. I'm setting you up for the end of the story.

With Miss Huge Natural Tits (HNT) departure to the dressing room, I noticed a dancer I hadn't seen in a year. (Dave, you've met her). After a hot 'get reacquainted' session with this dancer, I decided it was time to go but who sits down next to me? It's Miss HNT and she wants me to account for myself. (Me: Wha?) The best I can figure out she believed that I said I was done with all dances for the evening and why did I continue with the other dancer? I said, I believed she misunderstood. She said she hadn't. (I didn't say it was none of her business but that's what I was thinking) I then said I didn't want any drama (too late) and that maybe I'd see her someday. At least she didn't scream, yell, or do anything violent. I don't remember anything like that happening before at any club.

Higgs

[Higgs Boson]

The former Kronick club on McDowell near 24th Street now has a sign saying Chi Chi's Showclub. I believe that is Spanish slang for Tits.

The sign in front of the Essex showclub says 'Midget Cage Fights'. More evidence that the End of Times is approaching. Remember my report on the little person feature dancer at the Hi Liter. We may need to recruit people for Zombie Response Teams which will barricade themselves in key strip clubs to protect our favorite dancers. I'm first in line.

Higgs

[DavePHX]

New Scottsdale law awaiting final Council approval due to recent violence at bars.

All liquor places including strip clubs will have to hire off duty police when goes into effect if room for 50 patrons or more.

Scottsdale aggressively enforcing new escort LICENSING law. Basically impossible to comply with and no longer a "ticket" but mandatory 15 days in jail just like for prostitution in AZ if not licensed with number on all ads etc. Details in general section.

Also new massage licensing law much more restrictive.

Great reports - Higgs - welcome back

[Slacker30]

After dropping off some orders yesterday afternoon around 4:30 at the Buckeye Road post office, I thought, hmmm, let's see if T&A Cabaret has any business, since I am not far away.

Drove by there and to my surprise, the parking lot looked somewhat active. I decided to stop and did not even get the usual pat down at the door. Decent sized crowd, club was about 3/4 full. And to the white and black guy sitting at the table behind the stage, you look like USASG mongers. I saw you enjoying those dances. :)

$60 goes a long way, because that is all I spent to get 2 beers, 5 dances, tip 5 girls, and the bathroom attendant.

Table dances are $5, 2 for 1 well, wine, and drafts. 2 for 1 VIP's on Tuesdays. 9 dancers. I got all of my dances (they were decent) from one really cute girl who kept quite busy going from lap to lap. The waitress even went on stage for one set, and she looked quite appetizing in her slingshot outfit. No one bought VIP's while I was there, but the $5 dances were selling quite well.

Great value and diversion on what would have been a rather uneventful evening.

[Slacker30]

New Scottsdale law awaiting final Council approval due to recent violence at bars.

All liquor places including strip clubs will have to hire off duty police when goes into effect if room for 50 patrons or more.

Scottsdale aggressively enforcing new escort LICENSING law. Basically impossible to comply with and no longer a "ticket" but mandatory 15 days in jail just like for prostitution in AZ if not licensed with number on all ads etc. Details in general section.

Also new massage licensing law much more restrictive.

Great reports. Higgs. Welcome backThis goes to show how extremely out of touch many of these politicians are. This law does absolutely nothing for bar safety. These kinds of random incidents are generally between people who know each other. Scottsdale is just worried about it's image amongst the well heeled, and wants to look as if it is doing something. That cost will have to be added to the house fees the dancers pay to work. Babes and Skin already are slow except for when a few winter events are in town.

Like you say, these politicians want to look like they are doing something to combat prostitution and justify their save the women from sex trafficking budget as far as escorts go.

We need a government run BY the people FOR the people, not in existence to CONTROL the people. The average citizen doesn't give a damn about massage parlors or escorts. We the people at some point are going to have to massively organize, and get the funding to stop this madness. Things have gotten waaaay out of hand. The arm of the law is being overused.

[Kujo69]

New Scottsdale law awaiting final Council approval due to recent violence at bars.

All liquor places including strip clubs will have to hire off duty police when goes into effect if room for 50 patrons or more.

Scottsdale aggressively enforcing new escort LICENSING law. Basically impossible to comply with and no longer a "ticket" but mandatory 15 days in jail just like for prostitution in AZ if not licensed with number on all ads etc. Details in general section.

Also new massage licensing law much more restrictive.

Great reports. Higgs. Welcome backTalk about an overreaction. Where do they expect to find all of these off duty police officers?

[Horn Dog Too]

Friday afternoon around 4:00pm til 5:30 or so. My and my buddy's first time at the club. When we walked in we were naturally expecting a cover charge but no one was at the cash register. So good for us. A beautiful stunning bartender in a corset and thong outfit. Good for us again. Drink special, two gin and tonics for four bux. Really good for us. Three for three so far. On stage alternating in one song sets were about 8 very lovely ladies dancing topless and sporting those latex kind of pasties. I guess it's a Scottsdale thing.

Everything is going good, we are tipping the young lovelies and my bud decides to check out the dances. 10 bux at the table, and 20 per song on these little couches along the wall. Very vanilla, no touching except a little on the legs. Disappointing and not good for us. We met several very lovely ladies and I talked to Kara, a stunning hard body with beautiful bolt ons. I'd run away from home, write bad checks and hock my power tools for that one.

So over all, a pleasant visit, a great value and a nice relaxing hour and a half or so. I mean really, where in what bar can you get a two dollar gin and tonic and then throw in some semi naked women?

[RZM1231]

Ok so today around 9pm, I took a trip to one of my regular spots, BM, went with my cousin, his first time at this kind of establishment. Seem like it was popping, a few patrons enjoying the talent. Sad to say that my fave wasn't there. I haven't been here in a few months so a lot has changed; new stage lighting, and outdoor blue lights as well, much better in my opinion. The ladies range from 5-9, I did not recognize any of them. I did see a sexy latina / native American cutie, didn't get her name, amazing tush and cute Bs. Also, thick ebony girl, big but firm booty, and natural Ds, not saggy at all, she said it was her first day. She seem nervous but the really the odd thing about her is she was wearing tube socks on stage. Also saw a cute Sexy white girl but didn't get a chance to see her dance. We didn't get any dances because the only ones that approached us where the much thicker girls, not my kind of girls at all. Stayed there tipping singles at the stage for about and hour then left. Now I feel like I want to dream of SWs but that report is for the there section. Lots of LE at VB so stay alert.

[DavePHX]

Great Time at H-Liter for my kinds of contact.

Wed about 9:30pm.

After a fast run to the Main PO for last collection stopped in with a good lightning show in the distance.

Inside was probably more dancers than customers (good for me). Hardly any middle tables taken but almost all the wall tables were (bad for me since that is where I always sit if not with other guys from boards).

Having had only a mediocre experience on last visit a few weeks before wasn't really expecting much but with free coupon and kind of on my way home

Jada.

Kind of stood at right back bar area and soon greeted by Jada. Slender very young looking attractive dancer. She asks the usual greeting questions and talkative Dave (if right questions asked) kind of got carried away about experiences in the industry etc as she kept asking questions and seemed interested. After a nice long talk I suggested we might find an open back wall table and one was now available.

We had talked some of my high touch but not in your pants interests and we melted together very well. She responded great and nice body was well as intimacy interaction. A 4 on my 0-5 intimacy scale with 5 very rare. Did 2 dances (cheap Dave but very enjoyable)

Sierra.

I turned down a few larger breasted "wanta dance" dancers until Sierra sits in my lap. Something about her look and body texture really attracted me (fine line difference vs most). For new folks I have zero interest in bouncing butt in my face, wiggles or a opening for a gynecology exam. I enjoy close cuddling, caressing, stroking, massaging her body. Quickly she melted in my arms taking my touch cues. Something about holding her nice textured body I can't explain close and squeezing mutually was my ideal. A 4+ on my intimacy scale.

Armani? (Like the famous clothing brand)

After turning down a few she winds up sitting in my lap (best way to start not standing "wanta dance"). Within a few seconds as I guess I was doing some things with my hands around her neck. She asks "do you do massage". I guess my hands just automatically test out a bit of neck massage while sitting.

For 2 songs she had me massage back, neck, and found the pleasure of butt massage. She said she wished I could keep on all night but would I like a dance?

Yep. Really great my kind of intimacy interaction. Did my 2 dances and a rare 5 on my intimacy scale. Then she asked if she could just stay in my lap and have me do more massage on her- Yep no problem. At end asked her when she usually works and said most every night.

As I often point out one way to a gals heart is from your hands, knowing some quality touch and especially massage techniques as many guys are starting to learn.

An enjoyable time with 3 quality dancers.

When I left about 10:30pm still lots of dancers but not that many customers.

I just wish I could find a $200 / hr or less fairly slender with smaller than D natural breasts companion with the same qualities vs just sex skills! Hey, I'm not fussy. Of course not in the USA since that would not be legal. Which is why planning on another Canadian trip!

BTW I was told by a dancer, they had a meeting and were told they were going to get more strict with LE possibly coming by especially what goes on in the "backroom" which I assume is the VIP. As the saying goes, give guys an inch and they will take a mile. I am very happy with the "inch" and is similar to what I enjoyed at the Canadian clubs (fully nude, full contact just no penetration to avoid bawdy house law. Now found unconstitutional and on appeal to Canadian Supreme Court with a decision this fall. Outcall of course always legal as are agencies (sell time not sex) and solicitation as long as not in a public place (like street).

[Arizona61]

I was bored with the Mesa search for SW (it has picked up) so I thought I would give a club a try, it's been years. Living in the far east valley I thought I would see what Desert Flame was like in AJ. First of all, the bouncer has you empty your pockets and checks you for and weapon, maybe this is the norm, like I said I'm new at this. It made me feel safe and I had no problem with the check. Grabbed a drink at the bar and thought if the girls look like the bartender then this would be an experience. She is gorgeous, but not topless as advertised, I probably would have never left the bar if she was. The dance room is dark, p, entry of seating, very clean, with a perfect dance floor. I'm one to prefer DD's or larger, and there were two that met my needs.

All of these girls were VERY attractive, including the waitress, once again, not topless as advertised and again I would have loved to see that. Most of the girls came over and sat on my lap, some already topless and were very nice and not too pushy asking for a lap dance. I probably should have taken them up on a few but like I said I was new to this and wanted to see just how far you can go. I watching the action. I would say pretty far, but I really wanted a FS from one of them and wasn't sure if it is okay to ask.

I didn't catch all of the at least a dozen girls names, but let me say they were all very attractive, some with better dancing skills, some with amazing skills that I didn't know was possible. Lap dances are $10 and VIP $20. After watching the lap dances I can't imagine what the VIP would add.

I will definitely return and become a normal customer. If any of you can give advice on taking one of the ladies home or outside please let me know. I don't know if that is ever possible, but if so, I found my DREAM sport!

[Getpaidgeteffd]

Went to Elite Cabret, to say it was anything but is still an understatement. Was so glad bouncer waved cover should have known better. Literally three women and 10 guys inside. One super skinny one one ok one and in their defense the third was fureaking fine 11 on a 10 scale blonde fit long. Too bad patrons all had 20/20 vision she was hounded like that one girl at a frat party everyone knows is too drunk for her own good. Never spent less time in a club I literally counted three songs not enough women to even offer me a dance and I ran out. With a water grand total came out to a $1 tip and I definitely overpaid. Epic cabret? Epic fail.

[Slacker30]

I was bored with the Mesa search for SW (it has picked up) so I thought I would give a club a try, it's been years. Living in the far east valley I thought I would see what Desert Flame was like in AJ. First of all, the bouncer has you empty your pockets and checks you for and weapon, maybe this is the norm, like I said I'm new at this. It made me feel safe and I had no problem with the check. Grabbed a drink at the bar and thought if the girls look like the bartender then this would be an experience. She is gorgeous, but not topless as advertised, I probably would have never left the bar if she was. The dance room is dark, p, entry of seating, very clean, with a perfect dance floor. I'm one to prefer DD's or larger, and there were two that met my needs.

All of these girls were VERY attractive, including the waitress, once again, not topless as advertised and again I would have loved to see that. Most of the girls came over and sat on my lap, some already topless and were very nice and not too pushy asking for a lap dance. I probably should have taken them up on a few but like I said I was new to this and wanted to see just how far you can go. I watching the action. I would say pretty far, but I really wanted a FS from one of them and wasn't sure if it is okay to ask.

I didn't catch all of the at least a dozen girls names, but let me say they were all very attractive, some with better dancing skills, some with amazing skills that I didn't know was possible. Lap dances are $10 and VIP $20. After watching the lap dances I can't imagine what the VIP would add.

I will definitely return and become a normal customer. If any of you can give advice on taking one of the ladies home or outside please let me know. I don't know if that is ever possible, but if so, I found my DREAM sport!I would not assume that most strip clubs will involve a FS experience. Some do, and even in those, there are only certain girls that will engage in that, or who will see any customer outside the club.

Desert Flame is not known as an extras club. In going to a strip club, go ahead and get some lap dances, but in this club don't expect more than some modest grinding, and maybe some two way touching, but not the boobs and crotch. Some girls may allow boob touching.

You are not going to find a topless bartender anywhere.

I wouldn't worry about buying VIP dances. Just get maybe 6-8 $10 dances from 3-4 girls on the floor and test the waters that way. Don't solicit the girls. That way over several visits you can narrow down the girls you like. Try day and night shifts, but don't go in too often as you can be pegged as a regular.

There are some good parlors in Mesa along Main Street for your FS needs.

[RZM1231]

Friday night I was hopping to dream about picking up an SW at around 830pm but after an long search I came up empty handed so I headed to BM on VB. I came in and saw my favorite dancer at he stage, she put on some weight but she is still as skilled as ever. Before having a dance from her, a new girl sat right next to me, Stelle I think she called her self but don't really remember, nice long legs, a perky pair and nice firm bottom. She went as far as offering me mutual contact but I was set on my favorite because I always get the full package from her. Once I manage to politely have Stelle move on, my fave Dulce came by. She is wonderful, again she put on a bit of weight but she is still as curvaceous as ever. She always takes great care of me which is what keeps me coming back to BM. I was here for about an hour and a half chatted up a few more ladies, lots of 7s and 8s on my opinion, but still only got a dance from Dulce, she always sends me home with a big smile on my face. Only dropped about. 6 including my cover charge.

[Getpaidgeteffd]

Le girls has girls in surplus. Went Sunday night after a previously posted fiasco at Elite Cabaret this place was like a museum of the female form by comparison. ZERO fatties all skinny or fit all young both nude and topless side had action definitely a proper gentleman's club. But after meeting about six girls (still plenty left unasked BTW so YMMV) there was just nothing to be had besides good conversation and lots of jean to butt friction. $$ spent on research with no positive results. Zero regrets.

On a sidenote first time ever I posted on CL nsa section with a simple headline "I got 40 think about it" and I got 20+ replies yes half were spam but the other half were all legit. Drove to someones house got great BBBJ for just. 4 and cigarrettes.

[Arizona61]

Great information Slacker30. I'm obviously new to this. I don't know of any "Parlors" on main street. Can you suggest a few?


I would not assume that most strip clubs will involve a FS experience. Some do, and even in those, there are only certain girls that will engage in that, or who will see any customer outside the club.

Desert Flame is not known as an extras club. In going to a strip club, go ahead and get some lap dances, but in this club don't expect more than some modest grinding, and maybe some two way touching, but not the boobs and crotch. Some girls may allow boob touching.

You are not going to find a topless bartender anywhere.

I wouldn't worry about buying VIP dances. Just get maybe 6-8 $10 dances from 3-4 girls on the floor and test the waters that way. Don't solicit the girls. That way over several visits you can narrow down the girls you like. Try day and night shifts, but don't go in too often as you can be pegged as a regular.

There are some good parlors in Mesa along Main Street for your FS needs.

[Slacker30]

Great information Slacker30. I'm obviously new to this. I don't know of any "Parlors" on main street. Can you suggest a few?There is one on the south side of the street in the 8000 block of E. Main. It has a portable sign in front. AG massage in the 6200 block of E. Main, south side of street. Another one on the south side of the street in the 7000 block of E Main. Just look for the massage signs. Don't go to the one at 202 and Main in the center where the closed down Fresh and Easy is. Older white lady came to the window. It looks like a straight place.

There is a Brazilian massage at Stapely and Southern, and another place at 835 E. Southern. May be worth your while. All kinds of places in Mesa. Just let us know how your sessions go.

I won't vouch for how good your sessions will be, as everyones mileage may vary.

[Craps7]

Was heading for the airport Thursday afternoon with almost 3 hours until my flight and decided to stop and and see what HiLiter was about. Glad I did and had a lot of fun. Got there about 12:30 and left at 2:00.

No charge to park or get in. Took for ever to eyes to adjust but when they did whoa. Draft beers were 2 for $4. 75 not bad. Dances were $10 on the floor and $25 in VIP. Being first time I only did floor and probably 5 or 6 different girls. Speaking of girls, holy crap. What a selection. I'd guess 30. Primarily white with a few other ethnicities sprinkled in, Most I would guess 28 or younger and more silicone on young small skinny girls then I have seen outside of South FL. Talk about a candy store.

You will never go more then 60 seconds alone without a new girl coming by and cuddling up on your lap. Extremely friendly and playful. Dancers on stage go one song and back on floor. Only did one song with each girl and got a variety of availability from wandering hands, kisses, nips in mouth and more then a few package squeezes. A couple really pushed VIP and one promised I would get laid. I think my being from out of town and them knowing I only had about 40 mins caused the extra push to go on but I am sure they always push.

All in all I had a great time and look forward to a future PHX visit.

Pass the dice, new shooter cumming out.

[Arizona61]

Sorry slacker, I don't know what I was thinking when I read Parlors. I've tried a few, one McKellips and higley, not too impressed, hand only. Same for the one on east Main a block or two west of power, lady was to old. I tried one more also Asian but once again not FS. Do you have any recommendation for non Asian places. I also visit the NW valley often.


There is one on the south side of the street in the 8000 block of E. Main. It has a portable sign in front. AG massage in the 6200 block of E. Main, south side of street. Another one on the south side of the street in the 7000 block of E Main. Just look for the massage signs. Don't go to the one at 202 and Main in the center where the closed down Fresh and Easy is. Older white lady came to the window. It looks like a straight place.

There is a Brazilian massage at Stapely and Southern, and another place at 835 E. Southern. May be worth your while. All kinds of places in Mesa. Just let us know how your sessions go.

I won't vouch for how good your sessions will be, as everyones mileage may vary.

[PhxGuy1]

Went to Blue Moon last evening. About a half dozen dancers and maybe four of us customers. Talked to a few of the ladies and they were all complaining about how slow things have been there lately. There was one named Jasmine, brunette, spinner, eastern European, with a small pair (A?) who looked hot, so I got a dance with her. She was very accommodating and took good care of me so that I left completely satisfied. I would highly recommend her. She said she works mostly day shift, but sometimes stays at night when business is sluggish.

[PhxGuy1]

There is one on the south side of the street in the 8000 block of E. Main. It has a portable sign in front. AG massage in the 6200 block of E. Main, south side of street. Another one on the south side of the street in the 7000 block of E Main. Just look for the massage signs. Don't go to the one at 202 and Main in the center where the closed down Fresh and Easy is. Older white lady came to the window. It looks like a straight place.

There is a Brazilian massage at Stapely and Southern, and another place at 835 E. Southern. May be worth your while. All kinds of places in Mesa. Just let us know how your sessions go.

I won't vouch for how good your sessions will be, as everyones mileage may vary.Great info, but this thread really belongs in the Massage section.

[Slacker30]

Great info, but this thread really belongs in the Massage section.If you look at the post I was responding to, you will see why I posted the answer I did here.

[Slacker30]

Friday night I was hopping to dream about picking up an SW at around 830pm but after an long search I came up empty handed so I headed to BM on VB. I came in and saw my favorite dancer at he stage, she put on some weight but she is still as skilled as ever. Before having a dance from her, a new girl sat right next to me, Stelle I think she called her self but don't really remember, nice long legs, a perky pair and nice firm bottom. She went as far as offering me mutual contact but I was set on my favorite because I always get the full package from her. Once I manage to politely have Stelle move on, my fave Dulce came by. She is wonderful, again she put on a bit of weight but she is still as curvaceous as ever. She always takes great care of me which is what keeps me coming back to BM. I was here for about an hour and a half chatted up a few more ladies, lots of 7s and 8s on my opinion, but still only got a dance from Dulce, she always sends me home with a big smile on my face. Only dropped about. 6 including my cover charge.So Dulce "serviced" you for no tip? Just the 3/41 standard fee?

[Garfinkleton]

How much "service" can you get at BM nowadays? Back when I used to go you could get the rare FS if you played your cards right, but now it sounds like you'd be lucky if you even got Russian.

[RZM1231]

So Dulce "serviced" you for no tip? Just the 3/41 standard fee?I don't know if I should answer this straight out, don't want to get her in trouble she is a wonderful woman and she always leaves me happy.

[Slacker30]

Went to Elite Cabret, to say it was anything but is still an understatement. Was so glad bouncer waved cover should have known better. Literally three women and 10 guys inside. One super skinny one one ok one and in their defense the third was fureaking fine 11 on a 10 scale blonde fit long. Too bad patrons all had 20/20 vision she was hounded like that one girl at a frat party everyone knows is too drunk for her own good. Never spent less time in a club I literally counted three songs not enough women to even offer me a dance and I ran out. With a water grand total came out to a $1 tip and I definitely overpaid. Epic cabret? Epic fail.This is a brand new club. I believe it opened in April, and started a day shift in June. So it is hit and miss and kinda slow still. I have been here several times, and on weekend nights Thurs-Sat they have 10-12 girls, on average pretty decent looking. Days just a couple but they were really friendly.

I learned that Sundays are hit and miss in any club, and holiday weekends are always hit and miss as the customer count is down and the amount of dancers working is unpredictable. I have been in Hi-Liter, the busiest club in town, on a holiday weekend when they had 3 girls, and the manager apologized and gave us a few free passes.

[RZM1231]

How much "service" can you get at BM nowadays? Back when I used to go you could get the rare FS if you played your cards right, but now it sounds like you'd be lucky if you even got Russian.It depends on the dancers perception of you I guess, but I been lucky enough to have had some visits with lots of mileage and some other very regular ones.

[PearlZ176]

Hello everyone!

I'm new in Phoenix (been here only for a month).

I was looking all over the place for a few cool strip clubs to hang out with. A guy I work with spoke very highly of Hiliter Gentlemens Club.

Is it worth the hype? Also, are there any other good ones in the area?

Thanks!

[AmanteDeLatina]

Hello everyone!

I'm new in Phoenix (been here only for a month).

I was looking all over the place for a few cool strip clubs to hang out with. A guy I work with spoke very highly of Hiliter Gentlemens Club.

Is it worth the hype? Also, are there any other good ones in the area?

Thanks!Well it depends on what you are looking for. Different clubs offer different things to different tastes. If you like topless white women, the Hi Liter is a good place to go. If you prefer Latinas like I do, Bandaids which is owned by the same person as the Hi Liter is good. If money is no object to you and you want big silicone implants then I would say to go to Bourbon Street Circus. That is the club where are the famous people hang out (I have met Vince Neil of Motely Crue there and a dancer told me that she danced for all four of the member's of the band Metallica when they came there). The two Christie's are also good if money is no object and you want lots of plastic surgery. If nude is your thing and you want to have nothing but the finest looking strippers in Phoenix I would say go to Centerfolds. If you want a nude club where you can get by with more and get extras the Blue Moon is good but beware of that place, the night manager there is an asshole that will try to extort money from you. This is my take on the Phoenix clubs!

[DavePHX]

Well it depends on what you are looking for. Different clubs offer different things to different tastes.Great summary! I agree.

There are other clubs like Higgs and others sometimes mention and we have gone to but it seems more hit and miss. And some are more gang type it seems guys and some in rather high risk areas.

I've been adventuresome in the past (sometimes with Higgs) and still will at times but for a newbie that just wants reliability your break down was right on. Especially for me who gets bored quickly and has no interest in drinking or the stage dances. Just interaction with my type of women that also has a bit of intelligence.

[PearlZ176]

Well it depends on what you are looking for. Different clubs offer different things to different tastes. If you like topless white women, the Hi Liter is a good place to go. If you prefer Latinas like I do, Bandaids which is owned by the same person as the Hi Liter is good. If money is no object to you and you want big silicone implants then I would say to go to Bourbon Street Circus. That is the club where are the famous people hang out (I have met Vince Neil of Motely Crue there and a dancer told me that she danced for all four of the member's of the band Metallica when they came there). The two Christie's are also good if money is no object and you want lots of plastic surgery. If nude is your thing and you want to have nothing but the finest looking strippers in Phoenix I would say go to Centerfolds. If you want a nude club where you can get by with more and get extras the Blue Moon is good but beware of that place, the night manager there is an asshole that will try to extort money from you. This is my take on the Phoenix clubs!Thanks a lot for the comprehensive reply man! So, I have narrowed it down to HiLiter and Bandaids!

Cheers!

[EbonyLvver]

SOo I was driving by after a horrible VB stroll and found myself at BM. A short little latina with huge bolt-ons named D*e who asked me not to use her name came up to me and showed me a very nice reason why I should return in the future. I did the standard VIP 41-3 dances and tipped another. 20 for her. I enjoyed this club and to be honest I have never went to strip clubs because being from tucson many have told me not to even bother because they wouldn't compare. I have been doing some reading and think ill check out some other clubs in the valley. The next on my list is HiLiter and Bandaids and Pink rhino. If anyone knows of any other places let me know and maybe we can trade some info. I know some providers that give a really good BBBJ and other services. Just PM with details. ALSO does HiLiter only have white girls? Or latina or ebonys?

[Slacker30]

ALSO does HiLiter only have white girls? Or latina or ebonys?Hi-Liter and Bandaids are like Curves and Raiders Reef. Same owners, same philosophy. Hi-Liter sends most of the women of color to Bandaids, and Curves sends them to Raiders Reef.

Hi-Liter is about 80% white girls, and Bandaids is about 80% non-white girls. I think it is horrible that they do business that way, but lots of these owners feel that all of us can't exist within a completely blended format.

Hi-Liter and Bandaids are about 2 miles apart so you could easily visit both clubs. They are the busiest clubs in town, so they will have active day shifts as well.

[Az Hobby Habit]

How much "service" can you get at BM nowadays? Back when I used to go you could get the rare FS if you played your cards right, but now it sounds like you'd be lucky if you even got Russian.Here's my experience lately: I consistently get full mutual touching with fiv, some nipple ducking and lfk, and either HE or nude grinding or stradling / dry humping (over my pants) to completion. This is with a variety of different girls, mostly starting on my first time with them, and never once with any extra tip. I walk in with. 6, pay my 10 cover, buy a soda, tip 7 bucks at the rail, and get a dance for 41.

People who tip more, are you being asked to, and what are you getting for those tips? It's never even come up in the years I have been going.

I normally only get dances with 1 year or more experienced girls, but I heard from a dancer who encouraged fiv and lfk that the new girls "think they see things they don't and go too far" so maybe I need to start seeing new girls! Worst dances I've gotten were air dances from someone on their first week so that made me gunshy.

If anyone had had any experiences recently that include more than a hand HE (or takeout) and wants to compare notes definitely PM me, or if you are looking good for more names. These girls are a captive audience so I hate to sic the wolves on them. Best dance I've had was several years ago: Russian to a pearl necklace finish on Gigi before she left. At one point we were about 2" from BBFS which freaked me out a little, but man, I was sad to see her go.

[Higgs Boson]

Judging by a person's handle and online inquiries, I think there may be an interest in dancers with darker complexions. If that's the case, you need to expand your search beyond Bandaids and the Hi Liter.

On a recent Saturday night visit to Bandaids a couple of weeks ago, I saw about four light complexioned black dancers.

It's been two or three months since I was at the Hi Liter but there was a black dancer with massive tits who mostly worked days but made an appearance one evening. There's a very dark dancer who's been there since about April and is one of the most beautiful women I've ever witnessed. Unfortunately, I found her to be somewhat cold.

Other places you should be checking out:

Fox's has black dancers, maybe 50% some evenings, the other dancers perhaps 25% latina and 25% white. Based on one visit, the entire day shift was black. The evening shift at Chicas has a similar breakdown as the Fox's evening shift. There may be a handful of black dancers at T&A on Central

The club with the largest percentage of black dancers is perhaps Xecutive Show Lounge. There may be a token white dancer.

Higgs

[Eboniman]

Stopped into BM the other night. Only been there one other time, ages ago. First thing was the $12 cover. Then I was like where is your bar? He said we don't have one since the dancers get full nude. Both look towards the stage and I said they sure the hell do huh. He laughs.

Canned beverages were $1. I didn't get anything else 4 customers 7 dancers including one dancing for the first time ever. Sat through the 3song set of each dancer. They take turns coming by talking to you. Although only about 4 talked to me. The ones that did were all super nice. Watching nude dancers while having another hottie massage the soldier is just what the doctor ordered. Toss up between two hotties that I wanted to get a dance from. 3 for 41. One told me for extra Hamilton I'd be sure to leave happy. The second told me the same but Jackson was required. I chose hottie #1. Good effort on her part but she failed to seal the deal. Too bad too because I was already planning subsequent trips to see her.

Said f it, hit up hottie #2 and was like let's "talk".41 + Jackson and we're off. Spot another Hamilton and got FS. Wiped up and truly left happy.

Definitely will visit again, sooner than later.

[Shaved Cock]

Went to Blue Moon last evening. About a half dozen dancers and maybe four of us customers. Talked to a few of the ladies and they were all complaining about how slow things have been there lately. There was one named Jasmine, brunette, spinner, eastern European, with a small pair (A?) who looked hot, so I got a dance with her. She was very accommodating and took good care of me so that I left completely satisfied. I would highly recommend her. She said she works mostly day shift, but sometimes stays at night when business is sluggish.I've never been to BM before so had some extra time on my way to the airport to stop by. When you first walk in, it is extremely dark and took a few minutes to adjust. It was about 4 PM and there were about 5 gals there. After 10 cover, I was almost immediately approached by a somewhat thick eurpopean looking gal who brought me a bottle of water for a dollar. She asked me if I wanted a private dance, but I told her I wanted to relax for a while. The second gal who approached me was a smoking hot europen petite chick. Almost looked asian. I went back to one of the dark booth in the back with her. Standard 41 that others have writen about. Full contact, FIV (she got wet) and third dance was dry hump but I couldn't make it in time. After the dance was over, she asked for another 20. Is that standard fare there?

[Slacker30]

I've never been to BM before so had some extra time on my way to the airport to stop by. When you first walk in, it is extremely dark and took a few minutes to adjust. It was about 4 PM and there were about 5 gals there. After 10 cover, I was almost immediately approached by a somewhat thick eurpopean looking gal who brought me a bottle of water for a dollar. She asked me if I wanted a private dance, but I told her I wanted to relax for a while. The second gal who approached me was a smoking hot europen petite chick. Almost looked asian. I went back to one of the dark booth in the back with her. Standard 41 that others have writen about. Full contact, FIV (she got wet) and third dance was dry hump but I couldn't make it in time. After the dance was over, she asked for another 20. Is that standard fare there?That's about right. 1/2 of the 41 goes to the house. No HJ? Most will give you a HJ, and some allow FIV for what you paid.

[Higgs Boson]

Not to knock Bandaids, yet I think what Dave meant when he stated it wasn't 't her class was. As an attractive and known commodity for her professional ventures outside the club, she may "fit" in better elsewhere. Having found girls of all races to my liking, if we are honest, some clubs are more diversity than others. Also, with that diversity, some clubs have more attractive girls than others. However, we all know a "lower end" club is often more fun and does more business than some of the other clubs. There is a difference between no contact, some contact, major contact, and extras. Compare the Scottsdale clubs with the Phoenix clubs to confirm.

My quick groupings:

Babes, Skin, Christies, Elite.

HiLiter, Centerfolds, Bourbon Street Circus, Esquisite.

Essex, Jaguars, Cheetahs, Chicas, Teasers, Fox, Pink Rhino.HI Tyler,

I don't understand your groupings. For want of finding more tactful or accurate terms, are you saying the top of the list (Babes, etc) are "classy" and the last group (Essex. Etc) are "not classy". Or saying the top has more attractive dancers and the bottom less attractive?

Sorry for being a little slow in posting my question.

Higgs

[TylerPerelli]

Hate to bring classy / not classy or race into discussion for fear of being misinterpreted.

Tempe John had a good report regarding what clubs work for a monger depending on what they seek.

FWIW, the top line would be clubs with less racial variety, more plastic, and more "air" dances. The middle line has more variety, good contact, and attractive dancers.

By no means am I equating race with quality. Have enjoyed hotties of all varieties and seen dog ugly of all varieties.

Unlike Tucson, it seems the likelihood of extras increases as quality of attractiveness decreases. It just happens that the hotter girls of ethnicity work in primarily less diverse clubs (where they are the minority).

The same perceptions could be made regarding massage paroles. European, Latin, Asian.

Hopefully I don't get misinterpreted here, or in trouble for "hard returns" (spacing / blank lines / paragraphs). My luck with extras in PHX clubs has disappeared. Bandaids, which I surprisingly left out is trending from line two to line three. My recommendations for anyone would be the middle clubs of line two.


HI Tyler,

I don't understand your groupings. For want of finding more tactful or accurate terms, are you saying the top of the list (Babes, etc) are "classy" and the last group (Essex. Etc) are "not classy". Or saying the top has more attractive dancers and the bottom less attractive?

Sorry for being a little slow in posting my question.

Higgs

[Arizona61]

Had nothing to do today so I thought I would try a few places mentioned here. First I stopped at BandAids, for the first time around noon. There were probably 7 or 8 patrons and at least as many ladies. No cover makes it nice and drinks are cheap. The dancers are at best 4-7 and most have little skills on the pole from what I could tell. The pole was unused for at least the first thirty minutes I was there. I couple dropped by the bar and chatted but I wanted to take it in a little first. Oh. And there are all races as some have mentioned, I was looking for some latino's and I spotted a couple but they were to busy talking to each other. I stayed for a few dances, and only one was good on the pole, and she was really good. I threw a few bucks her way and after she was finished she asked if I was interested in a 10 table or 20 behind the wall. I didn't recall anyone mentioning the wall on here so I passed. Maybe next time.

On to BM. Also my first but you guys have educated me. Paid the 10 to get in. None of the girls really rocked my world but I made sure they were tipped well on the pole. All of the 8 ladies visited me at least once. I decided to try out C. Why once one of the back tables were open. Nice young lady, free to touch, mutually, FIV, and she is as close to a GFE I have had in a club. She's a short little beauty and seemed to keep an eye on the front when grabbing me while I played with her. She said she didn't realize how much I was looking for and didn't bring anything to clean up so we couldn't go too far. Great experience and I will return to see just how much is available. I tipped her and went on my way.

From there I made my way out to AJ, where I have been very impressed with the ladies in the past (looks and dancing skills). No cover before 6, two drink minimum but it was two for one so that was easy. I was very disappointed with the dancers, three or four, none of the one I have seen in the recent past, and on. Why one was my type. Although three were probably a dozen cars in the lot I only noticed only 4 patrons, all at the bar. I watched all of the dancers, none too impressive, and called it a day. This was the first time I was disappointed with them. Maybe later in the week the others will return. I may drop by really quick tomorrow to see what's up.

Any suggestions for BandAids? Is the wall worth a visit? I like BM but it's just too open, unless FS is a possibility I probably won't return. If you have any other suggestions let me know. DM's are okay.

[Slacker30]

Had nothing to do today so I thought I would try a few places mentioned here. First I stopped at BandAids, for the first time around noon. There were probably 7 or 8 patrons and at least as many ladies. No cover makes it nice and drinks are cheap. The dancers are at best 4-7 and most have little skills on the pole from what I could tell. The pole was unused for at least the first thirty minutes I was there. I couple dropped by the bar and chatted but I wanted to take it in a little first. Oh. And there are all races as some have mentioned, I was looking for some latino's and I spotted a couple but they were to busy talking to each other. I stayed for a few dances, and only one was good on the pole, and she was really good. I threw a few bucks her way and after she was finished she asked if I was interested in a 10 table or 20 behind the wall. I didn't recall anyone mentioning the wall on here so I passed. Maybe next time.

On to BM. Also my first but you guys have educated me. Paid the 10 to get in. None of the girls really rocked my world but I made sure they were tipped well on the pole. All of the 8 ladies visited me at least once. I decided to try out C. Why once one of the back tables were open. Nice young lady, free to touch, mutually, FIV, and she is as close to a GFE I have had in a club. She's a short little beauty and seemed to keep an eye on the front when grabbing me while I played with her. She said she didn't realize how much I was looking for and didn't bring anything to clean up so we couldn't go too far. Great experience and I will return to see just how much is available. I tipped her and went on my way.

From there I made my way out to AJ, where I have been very impressed with the ladies in the past (looks and dancing skills). No cover before 6, two drink minimum but it was two for one so that was easy. I was very disappointed with the dancers, three or four, none of the one I have seen in the recent past, and on. Why one was my type. Although three were probably a dozen cars in the lot I only noticed only 4 patrons, all at the bar. I watched all of the dancers, none too impressive, and called it a day. This was the first time I was disappointed with them. Maybe later in the week the others will return. I may drop by really quick tomorrow to see what's up.

Any suggestions for BandAids? Is the wall worth a visit? I like BM but it's just too open, unless FS is a possibility I probably won't return. If you have any other suggestions let me know. DM's are okay.Bandaids is ok. Different girls all the time. I would just get table dances (sit at the tables along the wall). Just buy several dances with several girls. You'll never know unless you try. I wouldn't recommend the VIP unless it is with a girl you are familiar with.

BM is ok. They know what is going on there. By law the dance areas are opened up. FS is the exception. Most will just do HJ and nothing more in my experience.

[Arizona61]

Thanks as always Slacker. I'll give BandAids a try again. So far, BM and Desert Flame have been the best dances I have had, but I am really new to this, and more importantly I have only been going during the day. I tried Desert Flame again today just after two and it was dead. It seems that is only a evening or weekend place for the better ladies. I agree BM is okay but when you can get four dance at the other place for the same $ I'm not sure it is best. Then again it is for three dances.

I'll have to do my research on this site and try out a few of the other places. Rhino seems dead. And I noticed a place on 32nd just south of VB on the east side of the street. I went in and they told me the would talk price or what it was for until I went into a room. I left.


Bandaids is ok. Different girls all the time. I would just get table dances (sit at the tables along the wall). Just buy several dances with several girls. You'll never know unless you try. I wouldn't recommend the VIP unless it is with a girl you are familiar with.

BM is ok. They know what is going on there. By law the dance areas are opened up. FS is the exception. Most will just do HJ and nothing more in my experience.

[Waitingtoexpel]

Any suggestions for BandAids? Is the wall worth a visit? I like BM but it's just too open, unless FS is a possibility I probably won't return. If you have any other suggestions let me know. DM's are okay.Glad to hear people are having good experiences at BM again. That report about the night manager trying to scam someone with a threat of violence scared the absolute shit out of me.

At Bandaids, I would recommend going during the day when it's less crowded if your schedule allows. Sitting along the wall is a must. It shouldn't be too hard to get a seat there if you go during the day. If it's crowded and no wall seats are available, any decent girl you ask for a dance will grab a chair from the middle and put it against the wall for you to sit there.

Try to be particular with who you get your dances from, Bandaids has a huge amount of girls on their rolls, especially recently (40-50 working at a time on an average day, up to 100+ at night) and you will blow through money quick if you fall for all their game and cute faces (Though I am a sucker for a sweet pair of tits, and to get my hands on them will without fail, get a dance I know will suck every time I go).

If you are patient, the girls who give extras will present themselves to you somewhat obviously with where they place their (or your) hands when asking if you want a dance. Some of the girls working there during certain times of the year aren't even dancers, but those traveling working girls with business cards and hotel rooms who have set prices for services they will offer right on the floor. The last one I met was so discreet that my pal sitting next to me didn't even notice I got an HJ from her (I asked him to be sure).

Generally, the less English a girl speaks, the better dances she will give to make up for her lack of conversational skills, though there are notable exceptions to that rule (a couple of dancers I know who also worked at BM speak almost no English yet give horrible dances, several of the 30+ dancers who are excellent conversationalists also do mutual contact).

If a girl seems to be in high demand, there is probably a good reason for that (though do try to get a girl fresh out of the dressing room or off the stage, I can't tell you how many times I've seen a girl whose been in my pants go directly over to another guy without washing her hands, it's hard not to cringe).

I would also agree with Slacker in saying don't do VIP unless you know the girl and if she is right for their VIP. It is very possible (but rare) to do FS on the floor at $10 a song with the right girl in the right seat. There are also cameras watching the VIP, (though some girls know how to exploit blind spots) no dividers between seats, and the girl on stage has full view of everything going on back there.

[Papa Rotzi]

I have not been to this club in probably 10 years. A friend was in from Atlanta and after dinner up around Camelback and 24th St, this appeared to be the closest club. So off we went. $8 cover, then in to the club. 8pm. All three stages were active. TONS of girls around and dancing. Drink prices were steep (a dos Equis beer and a Crown / Coke were $16.). The girls were very polite and nice. Walk up, introduce themselves, asked if they could sit down, and if no, told us to enjoy our time at the club. Smiles and great attitudes offered up by all that stopped by. I found a nice girl that was 24, Spanish and Italian, natural C cups. Ended up over on one of the sofas. Had two different sets of 6 dances ($10 each). She offered up the VIP but didn't push it and smiled at me when I said I doubted greater mileage would be had back there ($20 / dance). She was very aggressive with boobs in my face, typical grinding but also a little hand grabbing of the crotch area as well. I had my hands pretty much everywhere too. Very high mileage, IMHO. Not Blue Moon mileage (based on what I've read) but damn good for a regular club serving alcohol. Her name was (PM Me; don't want to get her in any trouble should management read these posts…) My buddy, who has access to probably the best clubs in the nation (Atlanta = full nude plus booze, even with the table dances.) was completely blown away with the quality of the ladies, and the dances. I would definitely head back here in a heartbeat. Not sure who owns / manages, but they definitely have the formula figured out.

[Desert Dog]

How big is a club if they have a hundred women at once dancing in the place, must be a 20 acre dance floor!


Glad to hear people are having good experiences at BM again. That report about the night manager trying to scam someone with a threat of violence scared the absolute shit out of me.

At Bandaids, I would recommend going during the day when it's less crowded if your schedule allows. Sitting along the wall is a must. It shouldn't be too hard to get a seat there if you go during the day. If it's crowded and no wall seats are available, any decent girl you ask for a dance will grab a chair from the middle and put it against the wall for you to sit there.

Try to be particular with who you get your dances from, Bandaids has a huge amount of girls on their rolls, especially recently (40-50 working at a time on an average day, up to 100+ at night) and you will blow through money quick if you fall for all their game and cute faces (Though I am a sucker for a sweet pair of tits, and to get my hands on them will without fail, get a dance I know will suck every time I go).

If you are patient, the girls who give extras will present themselves to you somewhat obviously with where they place their (or your) hands when asking if you want a dance. Some of the girls working there during certain times of the year aren't even dancers, but those traveling working girls with business cards and hotel rooms who have set prices for services they will offer right on the floor. The last one I met was so discreet that my pal sitting next to me didn't even notice I got an HJ from her (I asked him to be sure).

Generally, the less English a girl speaks, the better dances she will give to make up for her lack of conversational skills, though there are notable exceptions to that rule (a couple of dancers I know who also worked at BM speak almost no English yet give horrible dances, several of the 30+ dancers who are excellent conversationalists also do mutual contact).

If a girl seems to be in high demand, there is probably a good reason for that (though do try to get a girl fresh out of the dressing room or off the stage, I can't tell you how many times I've seen a girl whose been in my pants go directly over to another guy without washing her hands, it's hard not to cringe).

I would also agree with Slacker in saying don't do VIP unless you know the girl and if she is right for their VIP. It is very possible (but rare) to do FS on the floor at $10 a song with the right girl in the right seat. There are also cameras watching the VIP, (though some girls know how to exploit blind spots) no dividers between seats, and the girl on stage has full view of everything going on back there.

[Apex602]

Hey guys, longtime lurker. Posted before but I was unable to log back in with that account. Used to see a girl named Iris at Hi-Liter but haven't seen her in a long time, has she moved clubs? Also saw a girl a while back who danced under Chastity at HL and haven't seen her in forever. They were both night girls. Any info would be appreciated.

[Papa Rotzi]

These girls change names frequently (especially when they change clubs). Since you are the one that knows what they look like, I'd suggest you gather up a hundred or more $1 bills and visit all the clubs until you find them. Good luck!


Hey guys, longtime lurker. Posted before but I was unable to log back in with that account. Used to see a girl named Iris at Hi-Liter but haven't seen her in a long time, has she moved clubs? Also saw a girl a while back who danced under Chastity at HL and haven't seen her in forever. They were both night girls. Any info would be appreciated.

[Finaqua]

If you are patient, the girls who give extras will present themselves to you somewhat obviously with where they place their (or your) hands when asking if you want a dance. Some of the girls working there during certain times of the year aren't even dancers, but those traveling working girls with business cards and hotel rooms who have set prices for services they will offer right on the floor. The last one I met was so discreet that my pal sitting next to me didn't even notice I got an HJ from her (I asked him to be sure).The extras are given while you're just sitting there at your table? She whips it out or over your clothes?

Either way, the lack of privacy is pretty damn creepy.

[Waitingtoexpel]

The extras are given while you're just sitting there at your table? She whips it out or over your clothes?

Either way, the lack of privacy is pretty damn creepy.Under / Through the clothes, or whipped out and then hidden behind a shirt when necessary. In-house BJs usually require another girl to stand in front and block (which really just makes it more obvious).

I've actually never even worried about privacy on the floor at Bandaids, IMO certain seats on the floor in any club are more private than most VIPs. It is darker, tighter, and much less exposed than the booths at BM where some of those new girls can just whip it out in full view of the manager and any girl who walks by, or pretty much any VIP in a comparable club. That BM manager looking at me when my cock is out, now that's creepy.

Girls who do extras on the floor also tend to be more discreet than VIP-only girls, who seem to think they can get away with anything back there. Floor girls will only do something that they are confident that no one will be able to see and I haven't been let down by them yet.


How big is a club if they have a hundred women at once dancing in the place, must be a 20 acre dance floor!The floor is actually pretty tiny, about 30 on the floor at a time is the most I've seen, but that's what I've been told can be on the rolls / move through the club in evening shift. And having been there on a few fight nights, I believe it. 100 girls working =/= 100 dancing at the same time.

[TempeDude]

It has been few months since I visited this place so I went in to check out the scene. It was around 9pm about 6-7 girls working and 5-6 guys sitting and chilling. I saw a gorgeous blonde so I decided to get a dance from her. It turns out that she gave a clean dance. I was thinking about trying another girl, but was afraid that I may be up for another clean dance. What happened to all the HJ's FIVs we used to get? Can someone pm me and let me know if you know of anyone who still gives good dance. I will share few of mine too.

Thanks guys

[Arizona61]

Well the SW's were getting a little dangerous and I'm not one to use backpage in concerns of being tracked so I started hitting a few of the clubs from suggestions on this forum. Being one that travels the valley I can try a little of everything. Here's my take on the three I have hit a few times each over the past couple of weeks.

Desert Flame in AJ, closes to home. Because it is close I have probably visited 4 or 5 times now, always between 2 and 4. All of the girls are above an 8 in my book with few exceptions. By 4 there are usually six or more available and of course more show as it gets close to 6. 2 for 1 drafts and well drinks are great and Cindy the bartender is a knockout, wish I could take her back to the VIP room. There are all types of dancers mostly D's or larger if that's your preference some fake some real. Tables are 10 and depending on your choice and seating area you get more than most VIP rooms. Couches are 20 but I haven't seen a reason to partake. VIP room 100-150, haven't tried it. The girls that want to take you back their wil give a table dance of your dreams. I'm too cheap for the VIP at this point. Overall, my choice for some relaxation and attractive women. Fair dark and private if you sit in the right place.

BM, of course I had to try it out. Most of the ladies are 5 or below and the sign outside lists how many dancers are working. As most have eluded to you are tacked care of for 41 dance in a very darl and open Room. I treid out Candi, sweet girl definitely worth a second visit but I will probably wait awhile, maybe next week. Again I only visitors twice and paid the 10 cover. No alcohol because of nudity. BTW Flame is no cover prior to six. All of the girls will visit you. Also, I has no problem with the guy up front as many have mentioned.

Now BandAids. Some have question by one of you regarding 100 dancers. I could imagine that, I have never seen less than 30 in the early afternoon. Given that, there's a lady for every guy no matter your preference. Definitely grab a chair on the wall for a table dance, the only bad experience I had was a VIP for 20. I made the mistake of not checking her out first or getting a 10 table. If you want a real experience try Lisa, WOW.

Well that's my take on the three. I also went into the plance on 32nd just south of VB on the east side of the street. I have no idea what it is, they told me they would discuss prices an services once I went into one of the private rooms. Neither of the girls were my type so I left. Any intel on the place would be appreciated.

Any other suggestions out there?

[Finaqua]

VIP room 100-150, haven't tried it. The girls that want to take you back their wil give a table dance of your dreams. I'm too cheap for the VIP at this point.Will you please explain?

What do you base your "table dance of your dreams" comments on if you've never tried VIP yourself?

Thanks.

[DavePHX]

10/2/13 sometime before 5 untill about 6PM.

Kind of shift change not very crowded. Lots of gals I turned down who just did the wanta dance approach but observed my kind of great interaction on floor and I had great time for my limited more sensual interests for those I agreed to dances with.

Middle table section very sparse but outer chairs as usual almost full where I always go since no interest in just gwacking or drinking. No minimun drinks is nice here so I don't have to order water or diet coke / pepsi.

Meeka. Young from Philippines really nice and sensual and discussed by GRO experience in PI etc. Very sensual nice slender body 4+ on my 0-5 intimacy scale with 5 rare. Talked my usual not that attracted to Asians for being short etc but she was ideal type for me.

KeYang? Sp? Vietnamese. A bit more "Asian" but very nice and sensual 4 on my scale.

Blonde. Yep hair and name. Thought she might be a bit young and ditzy but immediately reacted to my touch and massage once I got my hands on her. About 4 on my scale, nice tall slender body. Usually comes in about 2PM Wed-Fri and leaves maybe 5PM although it was now sometime between 5:30-6pm

Lexi- A bit more mature and slightly heavier than my ideal but really nice melting bodies together. 4 on my scale, I believe she had worked here long-term left and came back.

2 of the dancers use to work at Christies but left in mass with all the problems that clients no longer like (I assume less contact).

As usual these good experiences make me want to find similar sensual intimacy responders to do more with but in a bed not really interested in VIP stuff, I'm more of a cuddle / sensual freak then just getting off but hard to find these types of reviews about escorts or massage gals and their tipping stuff vs just flat rates which have less legal risks and I'm so spoiled by from the great nude=reverse=release body rubs in Ontario with no legal issues. If only some of these dancer gals were available for now at a reasonable rate!

[Arizona61]

That is how the girls describe how you will feel in the VIP room. I'm not one to take a chance for that kind of $ when I could pay the same for an hour in some MILFs bed.


Will you please explain?

What do you base your "table dance of your dreams" comments on if you've never tried VIP yourself?

Thanks.

[DavePHX]

I don't recall that I knew this before but when there was the big managment change when Higgs and I use to go a lot and report here, we didn't know why.

I just found:

Ex-wife of Phoenix strip club owner pleads guilty to fraud.

July 31, 2013 by ADI News Services.

On July 29, 2013, Cynthia xxxxx pleaded guilty to filing a false tax return. She was indicted after her ex-husband, Tony xxxxxx, owner of Teasers, a Phoenix strip club, pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with authorities as part of his deal.

IRS investigators found that xxxxx used handwritten ledgers to hide cash collected through tips, house-fees from dancers and payments from customers for private entertainment in a VIP area.

Xxxxxxxxx's ex-husband, Tony xxxxxxxxxxx, confessed that he 'knew that the return, which I signed under penalty of perjury, did not include all of my income from Teasers Inc, which I operated with my ex-wife. For tax years 2006 through 2009, (Cynthia xxxxxx) and I failed to report approximately $350, 000 in cash revenue. '

Authorities agreed to recommend to the court a reduced sentence in exchange for xxxxxx guilty plea on a single count of filing a false return.

Update Tony's sentencing keeps getting continued now date is 10/31/2013 Plea agreement for probation and up to $100, 000 to IRS for taxes.

Cynthia in July tried to argue the CPA made errors that it was not intentional. But then pled gulity and plea agreement calls for 2 years probation and up to $100, 000 in IRS payments. No sentencing date set as of 10/4/2013.

[Alcata]

Hey Phoenix!

Visiting your fine city soon and did my homework on SC's, so thank you for all the great reports! I like the low end / high mileage side of things (I can get the 10's and blow tons of cash at home base hahaha). My question. Do I hit up BM and Bandaids? I only have two nights to myself and want to make them 'count'. Thanks for the help, I'll be sure provide a postmortem report.

[Papa Rotzi]

Was there 2 weeks ago and had crazy good times. You can hit a few in one night and decide.


Hey Phoenix!

Visiting your fine city soon and did my homework on SC's, so thank you for all the great reports! I like the low end / high mileage side of things (I can get the 10's and blow tons of cash at home base hahaha). My question. Do I hit up BM and Bandaids? I only have two nights to myself and want to make them 'count'. Thanks for the help, I'll be sure provide a postmortem report.

[Slacker30]

Hey Phoenix!

Visiting your fine city soon and did my homework on SC's, so thank you for all the great reports! I like the low end / high mileage side of things (I can get the 10's and blow tons of cash at home base hahaha). My question. Do I hit up BM and Bandaids? I only have two nights to myself and want to make them 'count'. Thanks for the help, I'll be sure provide a postmortem report.I would add Hi-Liter to your list. Do you have any afternoons available? If so, BM is better before 6. Also Bandaids and Hi-Liter (same owners) are the busiest clubs in town and have busy day shifts. Try Jaguars late afternoons too or before 9.

Nights are ok, but there is more staff at night, ie more supervision.

[Alcata]

I would add Hi-Liter to your list. Do you have any afternoons available? If so, BM is better before 6. Also Bandaids and Hi-Liter (same owners) are the busiest clubs in town and have busy day shifts. Try Jaguars late afternoons too or before 9.

Nights are ok, but there is more staff at night, ie more supervision.Thanks for the info Slacker! Have a Saturday afternoon open but figured it would be dead, pictured myself sitting there drinking a water ready to throw my $41 at any girl who walked by hahahahaha.

[Alcata]

Was there 2 weeks ago and had crazy good times. You can hit a few in one night and decide.Thanks P Rotzi!

[Massage Dream]

Friday afternoon. Wow! First time there. It is really small, loud and crowded. Kept my hands in my pockets for fear that someone was going to go after my wallet. Kind of a rough crowd, I would never go there at night for sure. Like others have said there is someone for everyone's taste. Very nice girls and pretty hot. Got a few dances and I only made it through half of the 2nd song. LOL. No need to go to VIP but it looks fun! The girl told me if you are not getting dances then there is a two drink minimum. I doubt they could enforce it very well that night. I didn't care I looked at her and asked her to dance.

[Massage Dream]

Stopped by early Friday afternoon. Hot women of all types. Got a very nice sensual dance from a Hungarian girl. Then moved onto a supposidly Brazilian girl. Total "air dance". She was a money grubbing ***** too. Made her stop part way and just paid her. I don't want an air dance. Didn't get any others. Seems like that place just empties your wallet fast. Decent location, nice decor. But overall lame and I won't be going back.

[Mike Plower]

Go to Centerfolds in the afternoon and find Paige. Take her in to the VIP area and you will leave beyond happy and glad you went there. Good luck and have fun while in Phoenix.


Hey Phoenix!

Visiting your fine city soon and did my homework on SC's, so thank you for all the great reports! I like the low end / high mileage side of things (I can get the 10's and blow tons of cash at home base hahaha). My question. Do I hit up BM and Bandaids? I only have two nights to myself and want to make them 'count'. Thanks for the help, I'll be sure provide a postmortem report.

[Slacker30]

Friday afternoon. Wow! First time there. It is really small, loud and crowded. Kept my hands in my pockets for fear that someone was going to go after my wallet. Kind of a rough crowd, I would never go there at night for sure. Like others have said there is someone for everyone's taste. Very nice girls and pretty hot. Got a few dances and I only made it through half of the 2nd song. LOL. No need to go to VIP but it looks fun! The girl told me if you are not getting dances then there is a two drink minimum. I doubt they could enforce it very well that night. I didn't care I looked at her and asked her to dance.I don't know what your fear was at Bandaids, it is a harmless club, just a larger percentage of ethnic customers in the mix. The dancer saying there is a 2 drink minimum if you don't buy dances is hustling you. I ususally just buy one bottled beer unless I get the 2/1 mixed drink special. Lots of dancers in Phoenix right now, and a lot of customers who aren't tipping or buying dances.

Christies ownership has told the girls that all grinding must occur in VIP, not on the floor. They are pushing the upscale image that they used to have and it is not working. Most of their former dancers are at Hi-Liter.

[GWild]

Stopped by early Friday afternoon. Hot women of all types. Got a very nice sensual dance from a Hungarian girl. Then moved onto a supposidly Brazilian girl. Total "air dance". She was a money grubbing ***** too. Made her stop part way and just paid her. I don't want an air dance. Didn't get any others. Seems like that place just empties your wallet fast. Decent location, nice decor. But overall lame and I won't be going back.Went there 3 months ago. After I paid the club fee, I left in 30min. The place was like a ghost town. Most the girls only 5 to 6s and its not worth your money. You do find some hot ladies working at night, but so does other clubs. Play smart and spend your money wisely.

[Waitingtoexpel]

Went there 3 months ago. After I paid the club fee, I left in 30min. The place was like a ghost town. Most the girls only 5 to 6s and its not worth your money. You do find some hot ladies working at night, but so does other clubs. Play smart and spend your money wisely.This mirrors my most recent experience at Christies almost exactly.

I hadn't been in a while, as the pretentious "upscale" front they try to put on and the stuck up dancers (and douchebag clientele) it tends to attract really aren't my scene. Perhaps I've been burned by too many air dances and $$$$$+ quotes for takeout in Scottsdale clubs.
However, many of my previous visits to Christies over the years at least resulted in one or two decent dances and perhaps a phone number, so I will still drop by from time to time when it's so late that I feel my usual clubs will be too busy, as I used to find that Christies handled volume well.
But I dropped by a few months ago as well and things really don't seem to be looking good for them.

I visited the Phoenix Christies early on a weekday evening and there were a few other guys watching the stage show, but not one was getting a dance that I could see, nor were there any girls walking around the floor. Maybe all of the dancers were tied up on the second floor or in VIP, but the only girl I saw giving a dance was giving one to some guys girlfriend, and the only action I saw was her talking shit to me for blatantly staring at them the entire time (I wasn't aware perverted leering was frowned upon in strip clubs now). She wasn't even that hot, a 5 or 6 at most.
This disaster of a visit was a shock to me, as the last time I had been there was just last year and it seemed to be doing great.
Biggest waste of a cover charge since I got kicked out of Le Girls for refusing to pay $10 for a bottle of water and they wouldn't refund my initial cover (I was drunk at the time, or I would've remembered that was how most Scottsdale/Tempe clubs do business).
Wow, that pisses me off just thinking about it. Le Girls management/staff can eat shit and die!

[Slacker30]

This mirrors my most recent experience at Christies almost exactly.

I hadn't been in a while, as the pretentious "upscale" front they try to put on and the stuck up dancers (and douchebag clientele) it tends to attract really aren't my scene. Perhaps I've been burned by too many air dances and $$$$$+ quotes for takeout in Scottsdale clubs.

However, many of my previous visits to Christies over the years at least resulted in one or two decent dances and perhaps a phone number, so I will still drop by from time to time when it's so late that I feel my usual clubs will be too busy, as I used to find that Christies handled volume well.

But I dropped by a few months ago as well and things really don't seem to be looking good for them.

I visited the Phoenix Christies early on a weekday evening and there were a few other guys watching the stage show, but not one was getting a dance that I could see, nor were there any girls walking around the floor. Maybe all of the dancers were tied up on the second floor or in VIP, but the only girl I saw giving a dance was giving one to some guys girlfriend, and the only action I saw was her talking shit to me for blatantly staring at them the entire time (I wasn't aware perverted leering was frowned upon in strip clubs now). She wasn't even that hot, a 5 or 6 at most.I saw a cute former Christies dancer that I know at Bandaids yesterday evening. She has been there about 9 months, and is quite popular there. She says she would never go back to Christie's.

[Kujo69]

Dance prices along the wall are now $15 (up from $10). It's still $10 at the tables in the middle of the floor and $25 in VIP. When I asked why the change, nobody quite knew. Idiots. Why change a business model that has been successful for years and years and years? If it's not broken, why fix it? On the bright side, there was plenty of wall seating available for a change, I didn't buy nearly as many dances though.

[Wwpfl]

Dance prices along the wall are now $15 (up from $10). It's still $10 at the tables in the middle of the floor and $25 in VIP. When I asked why the change, nobody quite knew. Idiots. Why change a business model that has been successful for years and years and years? If it's not broken, why fix it? On the bright side, there was plenty of wall seating available for a change, I didn't buy nearly as many dances though.I was there last evening and they dances along the wall were $10?

[Higgs Boson]

Stilettos / Teasers.

The Stilettos / Teasers club has been bought by a company which owns Spearmint Rhino clubs in Australia, UK and cities in the US. The local staff and dancers seem to be excited about the change. A major remodeling is expected. I have never been in a Spearmint Rhino club but looking at the Spearmint Rhino official website, the club interiors in other cities look like a cross between Christies and Bourbon Street. Competition among strip clubs in that corner of Phoenix is fairly stiff right now with at least six clubs within a one mile radius (Chicas, ABC, Fox's, T&A, Essex and Stilettos). One more if you include the Eve's Tease nude establishment.

Fox's.

Fox's did a minor remodel between June and August. Three stages were reduced to two. The old VIP has been opened up for general seating and there's a separate special 'private dance' area. Be careful where you get your dances. Chairs on the floor are one price and couches are double that. At night, that's $10 and $20. Half that during the day. Dancers here at night are roughly 1/4 black. 1/2 latina and 1/4 white plumpers. I don't like to use that last word since I include 'thick' among my likes, but I need to call it as I see it.

T&A Cabaret on Grand Avenue.

After at least a couple of decades as a nude club, this place received a liquor license a couple of weeks ago. I noticed a beer truck outside one day and stopped by a few evenings later. I was the only customer. Inside was a bartender / manager, a DJ, a security guy and a couple of dancers, one black and one white. The manager / bartender seemed to be very proud of a recent remodel. You can see the main stage has the same kind of 'sunken' design as the stage at the club on Central Ave. I don't understand the point of the design. It creates a barrier and makes it more difficult to tip the dancer onstage. The really strange part is how the club handles dances. Dances are $5 at your chair, 'wall dances' are at the chairs along the wall for $10, and VIP dances are $25. Fair enough, but here's where it gets strange. You have to pay in advance. According to the bartender / manager, this is to prevent incidents where the dancer does multiple dances, say 10 or 20, and the customer doesn't have the money to cover. Yeah, I got a dance. One. I'm not paying for multiple dances in advance. I asked about publicity. They're advertising in those miniscule circulation west side newspapers, hoping to attract the retirees who came to the nude club before remodeling. Advertising in the NT was dismissed as too expensive. I don't think customers will drive past Christies Glendale (formerly Pink) on Grand to get to T&A and put up with paying in advance. I can't see any dancers waiting months for customers who won't show up. I don't think this club will exist to see 2014 unless it makes radical changes.

Christies Glendale.

Rumors say this club is remodeling and I saw some contractors' truck outside the building a week or so ago. I'll check it out in the next couple of weeks.

Higgs

[Kujo69]

I was there last evening and they dances along the wall were $10?I was there this afternoon and they told me it was the first day of the new pricing. This was not a girl trying to scam me, multiple girls talked about it and the DJ kept announcing it.

[Arizona Junkie]

Well, this news sucks but doesn't surprise me. Floor mileage in those wall seats has been climbing for some time now, and the place is always hopping. Considering that lap dances in most of the country are $20, and often with less mileage, I've thought the $10 lap dance in Phoenix would have a limited lifespan. It will be interesting to see if other Phoenix clubs follow suit. I HOPE they don't start hassling guys from sitting in the wall sets if they're not buying dances. I always ounce for a wall seat when they open up, and I do get dances, but I might also sit there for hours spreading out dances while there.


I was there this afternoon and they told me it was the first day of the new pricing. This was not a girl trying to scam me, multiple girls talked about it and the DJ kept announcing it.

[Arizona61]

After cruising 32nd and VB I gave up and dropped BM. They continue to renovate and as my eyes were able to see in the darkness I realized the couches were wide open now without the half walls. As I Sat. In the hard chairs watching the stage I was dreaming of Candy and just how her normal GFE would now be possible.

About that time I got a giant hug from the back and realized She was here. We talked for awhile about her new hair color and how the dance areas are wide open now. She still talked me into a dance and she took me to a corner. As I Sat. There wondering if I was wasting money she was freshening up. Upon her return I recalled why I only see her. Wide open or not Candy makes you feel great and you never leave unhappy. She may not be the prettiest or sexiest dancer in the valley, but when it comes to spending a few minutes with a sexy woman she's the tops. I've visits every club and had many dances but none have come close to Candy. I give anything to spend a night with this sexy little thing.

[GWild]

Well, this news sucks but doesn't surprise me. Floor mileage in those wall seats has been climbing for some time now, and the place is always hopping. Considering that lap dances in most of the country are $20, and often with less mileage, I've thought the $10 lap dance in Phoenix would have a limited lifespan. It will be interesting to see if other Phoenix clubs follow suit. I HOPE they don't start hassling guys from sitting in the wall sets if they're not buying dances. I always ounce for a wall seat when they open up, and I do get dances, but I might also sit there for hours spreading out dances while there.So HL change their price to 15 at the wall. I wonder if the mileage is also getting higher?

[Alcata]

I wasn't able to hit up BM and bandaids looked like a mexican restaurant from the front but I was able to make it to Bourbon Street on one of the nights. It was great hand roaming all over the place and I left after a few hours and many dances from ok girls. Overall good time and will repeat once I'm back in town. Thanks again to slacker and papa rotzy!

[Slacker30]

I wasn't able to hit up BM and bandaids looked like a mexican restaurant from the front What does that mean? Why didn't you go inside?

[Slacker30]

[QUOTE=Higgs Boson;1900234



T&A Cabaret on Grand Avenue.

After at least a couple of decades as a nude club, this place received a liquor license a couple of weeks ago. I noticed a beer truck outside one day and stopped by a few evenings later. I was the only customer. Inside was a bartender / manager, a DJ, a security guy and a couple of dancers, one black and one white. The manager / bartender seemed to be very proud of a recent remodel. You can see the main stage has the same kind of 'sunken' design as the stage at the club on Central Ave. I don't understand the point of the design. It creates a barrier and makes it more difficult to tip the dancer onstage. The really strange part is how the club handles dances. Dances are $5 at your chair, 'wall dances' are at the chairs along the wall for $10, and VIP dances are $25. Fair enough, but here's where it gets strange. You have to pay in advance. According to the bartender / manager, this is to prevent incidents where the dancer does multiple dances, say 10 or 20, and the customer doesn't have the money to cover. Yeah, I got a dance. One. I'm not paying for multiple dances in advance. I asked about publicity. They're advertising in those miniscule circulation west side newspapers, hoping to attract the retirees who came to the nude club before remodeling. Advertising in the NT was dismissed as too expensive. I don't think customers will drive past Christies Glendale (formerly Pink) on Grand to get to T&A and put up with paying in advance. I can't see any dancers waiting months for customers who won't show up. I don't think this club will exist to see 2014 unless it makes radical changes.



Higgs[/QUOTE]

I went there last week during the day. I thought it was still nude but see they have beer. I'll never go back. The manager wanted my ID at the door, patted me down and had me empty my pockets. Fuck that. 1 customer inside. Ghetto dancers. I ordered 1 Dos Equis, drank 1/4 of it while two girls were hustling me, and quickly left.

That club used to be the Body Shop some years back and never had any customers then. That area just sucks.

I like their club on S. Central. Always 15-25 guys in the main part of the club not including the bar during happy hour, (for those of you who have been here you know what I mean). No hassles at the door and it is a cool place to chill.

All those clubs relegated to the poorer areas of the westside don't have the clientele with income to support all those clubs.

There is no competition in South Phoenix, that is why I think that T&A is ok.

[Datadog]

Well, this news sucks but doesn't surprise me. Floor mileage in those wall seats has been climbing for some time now, and the place is always hopping. Considering that lap dances in most of the country are $20, and often with less mileage, I've thought the $10 lap dance in Phoenix would have a limited lifespan. It will be interesting to see if other Phoenix clubs follow suit. I HOPE they don't start hassling guys from sitting in the wall sets if they're not buying dances. I always ounce for a wall seat when they open up, and I do get dances, but I might also sit there for hours spreading out dances while there.God damn right the mileage is better than other places! My experiences in Alaska and Oregon have been fucking dump trucks compared to this Tesla mother fucker right here! I still can't believe what my 10 or 15 was getting me, compared to 20 back in the great white north. Of course I am now ruined for that shit level of service forever, but god damn what a night. I hope I get the opportunity again some day. Thank you Phoenix.

[Alcata]

What does that mean? Why didn't you go inside?And just drove by to get familiar with the area for when I was alone (which only needed up being a few hours).

[Gjammun]

Hey guys,

I for sure am bummed with the new pircing 10 floating charis and 15 on walls. I can't say I'm ready to give up on the place. The girls who are generous will still be generous. I'm thinking about how to make it work in the middle. If my regular favorites arent there I like try them out before comitting. Any suggestions? I live closer to BM and consider it my backup you commit a lot quicker when you drop 41 after a girls makes small talk. Mind you there are a few there that guaranteed good times.

Does anyone think they are trying this out and it may not last or is in stone for sure walls are 15?

[ALiam]

Hey guys,

I for sure am bummed with the new pircing 10 floating charis and 15 on walls. I can't say I'm ready to give up on the place. The girls who are generous will still be generous. I'm thinking about how to make it work in the middle. If my regular favorites arent there I like try them out before comitting. Any suggestions? I live closer to BM and consider it my backup you commit a lot quicker when you drop 41 after a girls makes small talk. Mind you there are a few there that guaranteed good times.

Does anyone think they are trying this out and it may not last or is in stone for sure walls are 15?If everybody keeps paying 15 with little to no drop in the number of dances, they'll keep going on. People should just buy far fewer dances so that they see price increases do have an effect.

I think the club will ask the girls to limit the level of grinding unless it's by the wall for $15.

(Hi, I'm new to the forum).

[Slacker30]

Hey guys,

I for sure am bummed with the new pircing 10 floating charis and 15 on walls. I can't say I'm ready to give up on the place. The girls who are generous will still be generous. I'm thinking about how to make it work in the middle. If my regular favorites arent there I like try them out before comitting. Any suggestions? I live closer to BM and consider it my backup you commit a lot quicker when you drop 41 after a girls makes small talk. Mind you there are a few there that guaranteed good times.
Does anyone think they are trying this out and it may not last or is in stone for sure walls are 15?I'm sure it is here to stay. Dances are $20 in the rest of the country besides here, Yuma, Tucson, Albuquerque, and El Paso.

Dances were only $5 here until about 8 years ago, and $10 at Christie's / Tiffany's and Platinum in Yuma. When the customer counts started going down, dance prices went up, and more girls than were needed were hired so that the club owners could compensate for lost business with extra house fees from dancers. The same may be happening now. The customer count and level of dance buying customers has decreased, so they are trying to make up for it with higher dance prices from guys who have the money to spend.

Bandaids is charging cover earlier on dayshifts now. Hi-Liter does not.

Hi-Liter is the busiest club in town, day and night followed by Bandaids. They know the wall dances provide good contact, and dancers constantly complain that dances are too cheap here. Club owners see a chance of making more money if the girls make more.

Eventually just like in anything else, we will gradually get used to paying the extra money.

T&A has a similar deal. $5 dances at the chairs and $10 against the walls. Most guys there buy chair dances. Wall dances have premium value.

What will happen is the guys will sit in the middle at Hi-Liter, and go to the wall just to get dances.

[Jerikson40]

I'm sure it is here to stay. Dances are $20 in the rest of the country besides here, Yuma, Tucson, Albuquerque, and El Paso..Uh, no. .

There are a lot more "besides" to add to your list. In LA there are some very high mileage clubs with $10 laps (Flamingo, DJV). And at Deja Vu $10 laps are the norm in many / most of their clubs. Also in LA are some $15 lap clubs with VHM (Sahara, KH8, Ron's).

As far as the rest of the country, there are MANY clubs with low priced laps, some as low as $5. Granted the $5 lap clubs might be black clubs in the hood, but not necessarily.

So yeah, IN GENERAL most clubs charge $20 for laps, but there are many exceptions throughout the US.

[Jerikson40]

Out of curiosity (although mostly boredom...) I did a tiny bit of research on one of the strip club websites, and found some discussions of low priced laps around the US. And I pulled some of the lists together, and found that there are, according to the posts in the last 3 or 4 years, somewhere around 50 clubs throughout the US with low priced laps ($10 and below) that have good mileage. And if you count up the total clubs in the US from the same site, you can assume there are something like 2,000 active strip clubs.

Which means that somewhere around 2-3% of clubs have low priced laps. Now that doesn't cover those with specials (like 3-for-$30 on alternate Tuesdays or whatever) that some might consider low priced laps, but personally I think that specials don't really count. And since most of the posts were focused around high mileage, there are probably a bunch more with low priced, but low mileage laps.

Anyway, if you just stick with low priced and high mileage, it's pretty clear that it's a tiny percentage, but there are quite a few clubs that offer them. Which is good.

[Jerikson40]

BTW, back to the topic...

I think it ABSOLUTELY SUCKS that they raised prices. But unfortunately it's not surprising IMO.

I've never had much respect for strip club management. They always seem to be experts at messing up a good thing. When it comes to strip clubs, good stuff never lasts. They always get some moron in there who thinks he's doing something brilliant and he just screws it all up.

[Massage Dream]

Since we are talking prices:

The worst price I was ever quoted was in NC. The girl was a knockout so of course like an idiot I paid it. $45! For an AIR DANCE!! Yes, you got it...that was per song. I only did one song of course. She was so sexy and made my little head started thinking that this was going to be one hell of a dance. I was so sad.

My favorite place is in the West Valley, Explicit. No cover till night. Beautiful bartender, dancers and waitresses. Everyone is pretty friendly. All this comes from only daytime experiences can't say much about the nights. I think the chairs are $5 and the couches on the back wall are $10. "VIP" is $20 to the house...that covers you for the entire day and then $20 to the girl per song. I am cheap so I don't even bother with VIP. You can get some good mileage there. Nothing like Bandaids but fun. The beers on game days are $2.50, no stupid drink min or anything. They have a room upstairs for some ridiculous fee like $250 or $400 but I have only ever had one chick ask me if I wanted to go up there so the girls are not pushy at all.

Up the road from there is Coyote Caberet oh boy. Some locals call it "The Shitty Titty". Again, I only have daytime experience here. Usually one or two customers sitting at the bar with a dancer or two. Very mellow quiet club. The price of the lap dance is what gets me. I think the chairs are $10 and the couch area (they might call it VIP, but it is no more private then a dance at the friggin bar would be) are $15!! Really? In a club with one dancer who is never on stage and there is no privacy plus drink prices are higher then the place up the road. Wow...I don't get it. One dancer was hot enough and I was bored enough to get few dances on the couches and she was great. She is the only hot dancer I have seen there. With only two customers and no dancer on stage, if you do get a dance it doesn't feel at all private in any location because it's the only thing happening.

Next week I might try "Pink" On Northern? I have not been to that place yet.

[DavePHX]

T&A 2 on Grand.

Been about a decade since been here when it was Body Shop. Knew owner Greg (also Eves Tease) for years and last I heard he was going to remodel and open this club but sold it to the Rhino group instead. I also represented the old Stevi's (now T&A on South Central) at club owners association (led by Damian of Alaskan Bush) back when "Mother Hen" (her mother) helped so much before she died and Stevi sold.

Saturday night.

Nice Santa kind of guy in the parking lot as enter takes $7 fee and brings change.

Stage sunken is in about same place as old club but makes it harder to see and very poor stage lighting for anyone interested in watching dances. Light at bottom is nice effect but need more light on stage and not sunk.

One dancer I talked with also didn't "get" the sunken and said harder for dancers also.

Very nice remodel, large comfortable chairs or higher step seating but not that practical for lap dances. $5 floor and $10 kind of wall area which is actually backed up seats in back / side of stage.

Most dancers were attractive to "old Dave" but business very slow and on Sat night more dancers than customers.

Contact somewhat limited but based on "sign on wall" not sure if varies with dancer or what overall management view is. She had worked at various other clubs and recently started here and not clear on rules but didn't want to get in trouble. Seemed very sharp and witty and was helping other gals with bad situations.

Did two wall dances with medium attractive dancer but she fell in love with my soft hands and touch. With business so slow, desperate for money and liking my conversation and touch would up with a great intimate hour of "take out" for $60. I doubt this is her typical rate but likely more related to circumstances and she was very anxious for more massage and intimacy and needed funds.

She was very much my type of quality touch sensuality, nice soft skin etc., but didn't get to fully enjoy until went to her home near by. Breasts natural probably A but I prefer small not large with be or see ideal but as long as not DD most are fine My favorite activity is giving breast massage which usually get great reaction from dancers since was professionally trained and have taught Esalen for couples.

My conclusion is nice club, some medium to good looking dancers but limits. Not air dances but supposedly no breast touching allowed but not sure with other dancers.

[AmanteDeLatina]

In Wichita, Kansas there is a club called Jezebel's that is the most expensive club I have seen on earth. The place has a $25 cover fee, a bottle of water was $10 plus tip, and private dances (topless mind you) were $60 per song. The dances were air dances too.


Since we are talking prices:

The worst price I was ever quoted was in NC. The girl was a knockout so of course like an idiot I paid it. $45! For an AIR DANCE!! Yes, you got it...that was per song. I only did one song of course. She was so sexy and made my little head started thinking that this was going to be one hell of a dance. I was so sad.

My favorite place is in the West Valley, Explicit. No cover till night. Beautiful bartender, dancers and waitresses. Everyone is pretty friendly. All this comes from only daytime experiences can't say much about the nights. I think the chairs are $5 and the couches on the back wall are $10. "VIP" is $20 to the house...that covers you for the entire day and then $20 to the girl per song. I am cheap so I don't even bother with VIP. You can get some good mileage there. Nothing like Bandaids but fun. The beers on game days are $2.50, no stupid drink min or anything. They have a room upstairs for some ridiculous fee like $250 or $400 but I have only ever had one chick ask me if I wanted to go up there so the girls are not pushy at all.

Up the road from there is Coyote Caberet oh boy. Some locals call it "The Shitty Titty". Again, I only have daytime experience here. Usually one or two customers sitting at the bar with a dancer or two. Very mellow quiet club. The price of the lap dance is what gets me. I think the chairs are $10 and the couch area (they might call it VIP, but it is no more private then a dance at the friggin bar would be) are $15!! Really? In a club with one dancer who is never on stage and there is no privacy plus drink prices are higher then the place up the road. Wow...I don't get it. One dancer was hot enough and I was bored enough to get few dances on the couches and she was great. She is the only hot dancer I have seen there. With only two customers and no dancer on stage, if you do get a dance it doesn't feel at all private in any location because it's the only thing happening.

Next week I might try "Pink" On Northern? I have not been to that place yet.

[Gjammun]

Hey guys so you heard my concerns on hiliter pricing a few days ago so I am looking for nearby alternatives. I tried the new chi chis which was shortlived as kronik. Both times when I went on Thursday nights 0-5 guys 0-5 girls and the guys who were sitting up front looked like they were the boyfriends. I wrote on a other site about my experience but haven't seen anyone write a review since then or even mention it here. Its located near 24th st. And Mcdowell but I rarely see many cars in parking lot. Door guy made it sound like it was more of an urban club vibe Friday Saturday nights but haven't tried it on those days yet. Gjammun=laylow99 elsewhere.

[Gjammun]

So instead of just asking, I answered my question below. Price change not a big deal at hiliter. High mileage girls will be high mileage girls. Found a new spanish favorite that makes the borat costume look great. (between the three girls asian girl bolt ons maybe summer was her name destiny and another hispanic vocal one mid to late 30's $150 Thursday VIP cards for no cover. Not sure if its all day or not. Forgot to check / ask. Does anyone else know?

2nd stop was BM. I know it was a Tuesday night but selection was painful. Latte was on the only respectable looking one but too caught up in her phone on bench for the ten minutes I was there. Regular 12 dollar cover. Water for a buck tipped 1 (14 spent).

3rd stop Pink rhino: my first stop there. Decent amount of cars in parking lot but once inside saw at most 5-7 people. 1 couple 2 guys sitting up front 1 at the bar and me. Four or five girls walking around mostly african american maybe one hispanic. No one looked happy to be there. Stayed for about 20 minutes. $2 bud light was all I spent there. Either girl wasnt paying attention after security check or no cover since it was dead. ($3 on beer).

4th and final stop Sugar 44. Good energy like HL great guy girl ratio few people playing pool. Possibly up to 10 dancers. At most ten people. British ballerina maryjane chatted me up at bar was friendly wasnt planning on dances but good mileage. Strangely cocktail waitress came by during middle of second dance asked how I'm doing and if I want to get more comfortable it needs to be in VIP. I think it being a woman caught me off guard and middle of dance was strange too. In hindsight should have scooted further towards corner.

2nd girl hispanic looks very young finds out she is pushing 30 and three kids great plastic rack and fun to talk who used to work at HL years back was simple and fun. She said tuesdays are no good because of that waitress police nonsense. And more lax on weekend. Makes sense considering probabbly more packed crew that has been there longer. (80-90).

Fun money is done for a while so maybe in a few weeks you will here from me again.

[Slacker30]

3rd stop Pink rhino: my first stop there. Decent amount of cars in parking lot but once inside saw at most 5-7 people. 1 couple 2 guys sitting up front 1 at the bar and me. Four or five girls walking around mostly african american maybe one hispanic. No one looked happy to be there. Stayed for about 20 minutes. $2 bud light was all I spent there. Either girl wasnt paying attention after security check or no cover since it was dead. ($3 on beer)..Pink Rhino doesn't open until 9 PM, and is really not worth going to until after Midnight towards the end of the week. Then it gets busy and much more lively.

We're in a critical situation where a lot of people don't have the disposable income they had prior to the recession. I am seeing a lot of dead clubs, and many girls getting disillusioned with dancing because the customer counts are down, and the ones that are coming in aren't tipping or buying dances like they used to.

I hope we see some improvement with winter season coming.

[AmanteDeLatina]

On Friday night after the ROB and close call with the police you can read about in the streetwalker report section, I was angry and I decided that I had better play it safe getting out of the area so I went to Bandaids. Bandaids was good as usual. The building is not the greatest there, it is a dive but they do make up for it in the touching rules. As usual, there were about a dozen ladies and only 2 of them were good looking. I normally only go for Latina women as they are my favorite but this time there was a white girl that caught my fancy. I can not remember her name but I think it started with an L. She was really young, only 24 years old and she is a student at ASU. She had the traditional happy go lucky student mentality which made me yearn for those days again. LOL. One thing about Bandaids is that they I'd me there (I think they I'd everyone) so they always make me feel young even at my old age of 42.LOL. If you go there just look for the white young girl as she was the ony white girl under the age of 30 in the lineup. I did one dance in the hall and it was not bad. I decided to give her a run in the VIP. I got two songs in there and she did allow me to touch pretty much where I wanted. She did not show me more like some of the other girls at Bandaids do. She did grind me pretty well. All in all, not a bad dancer. I have had better in there but she was definitely above average.

On Sunday night I sort of had that nude urge so I originally decided to try T&A 2 as I had read it was nude. When I got there I immediately saw some people drinking wine so I thought that can't be right. I went in there and watched a dancer and she did not get nude. Finally a very polite black dancer by the name of Reyna came up to me and I asked her and she told me it had coverted about 3 weeks ago to topless. I stayed there maybe 15 minutes and talked to Reyna. When Reyna went on stage I left. Thank goodness it was a Sunday night so there was no cover. I still wanted to do the nude thing. I thought about going to The Great Alaskan Bush which used to be my regular club but after the shootings and killings there a couple of years ago I have avoided it like the plague not having been there since then. I guess I still am concerned about the place in that they do not have adequate security. Personally, I like it when I go to Bandaids and they use the metal detector to see if I am carrying any weapons. I then thought about Eve's Tease but I remembered that they like to push blocks of time instead of individual dances so I decided against that. I then decided to try Blue Moon. Back in April, you can read my reports here but I had had an issue with the place where they tried to extort money out of me. I was still a bit sheepish about going there. Since I had trashed the place on here and every other review site that I knew of I was afraid that they were going to not let me in. Shortly after that incident one time I drove into the parking lot of Blue Moon not to go there but to make a you turn and the bouncer immediately saw me not knowing I was not planning on going in and started to motion to shoo me away. I yearned for those old Blue Moon days and I had read on here and other sites that people were having good experiences again so I thought maybe that bouncer and manager was gone. I thought what the hell, I am going to give it a try. I got there and the bouncer was not the same person so I lucked out there. I got in and the manager was not the same person so I guess the manager that tried to extort me must no longer be there. I was then concerned that some of the girls would recognize me from that incident. There was only one girl there that I knew from previous visits and she in fact welcomed me with open arms hugging and kissing me the second she saw me asking me why I had not been there is so long. So it appears that Blue Moon is good again (unless that manager or bouncer works a different shift).

I went through one round of dances not getting any privates immediately. I always like to go through one round of all the dancers seeing everyone that is working that night before I get a dance. Dulce, the girl that I mention hugged and kissed me asking me why I had not been there in so long in fact asked me if I wanted a dance. In the past, if you read my reports me and Dulce do definitely have a history. She and I have good rapport. So I immediately told Dulce yes, I want a dance with you but I like to go through a round of dancers first before I get one and I told her to make sure she comes back after I have been through a round and I jokingly told her that if she didn't I was going to have to hunt her down. LOL All but maybe one of the dancers at BM were doable woment that night. As I said earlier, I have an intense liking of Latinas and there were 4 of them on the docket there. After the round was up Dulce who is a Puerto Rican hottie came over as I had told her to and I got a dance from her. She made me know why I had missed the days of the Blue Moon and why I am now happy that it appears to be safe to go to again. She gave the very famous "hands on" dance that she gives. On the third song I was fully released and I was a very happy guy. I went back to my seat to watch a couple of other dancers and then a second Latina hottie that I had never seen before named Jennifer came up to me. I got a dance from her. It was kind of funny because the first thing she asked me was if I had been touching myself and if I had already released and I said yes. She said I smelled like dirty balls (Dulce sort of made me that way. LOL). She then asked me to sanitize my hands because she did not want to smell like dirty balls. She was very hot and allowed me to touch her anywhere I wanted. She was not releasing like Dulce but to be honest that was ok because Dulce had already done that. I am not sure if she would normally be or if she didn't because she knew that Dulce already had. This girl was very nice and very open asking me what type of porn I liked, what type of women I like (Latinas of course), if I preferred shaved pussies or nicely trimmed ones and if I had ever filmed myself. She was pretty cool saying how she liked to go to adult theatres. I even invited her to Personal Preference in Mesa and she sounded interested. Hopefully she comes there! After Jennifer was done I left and was completely happy. It appears that Blue Moon is back to its old self again.

[RZM1231]

On Friday night after the ROB and close call with the police you can read about in the streetwalker report section, I was angry and I decided that I had better play it safe getting out of the area so I went to Bandaids. Bandaids was good as usual. The building is not the greatest there, it is a dive but they do make up for it in the touching rules. As usual, there were about a dozen ladies and only 2 of them were good looking. I normally only go for Latina women as they are my favorite but this time there was a white girl that caught my fancy. I can not remember her name but I think it started with an L. She was really young, only 24 years old and she is a student at ASU. She had the traditional happy go lucky student mentality which made me yearn for those days again. LOL. One thing about Bandaids is that they I'd me there (I think they I'd everyone) so they always make me feel young even at my old age of 42.LOL. If you go there just look for the white young girl as she was the ony white girl under the age of 30 in the lineup. I did one dance in the hall and it was not bad. I decided to give her a run in the VIP. I got two songs in there and she did allow me to touch pretty much where I wanted. She did not show me more like some of the other girls at Bandaids do. She did grind me pretty well. All in all, not a bad dancer. I have had better in there but she was definitely above average.

On Sunday night I sort of had that nude urge so I originally decided to try T&A 2 as I had read it was nude. When I got there I immediately saw some people drinking wine so I thought that can't be right. I went in there and watched a dancer and she did not get nude. Finally a very polite black dancer by the name of Reyna came up to me and I asked her and she told me it had coverted about 3 weeks ago to topless. I stayed there maybe 15 minutes and talked to Reyna. When Reyna went on stage I left. Thank goodness it was a Sunday night so there was no cover. I still wanted to do the nude thing. I thought about going to The Great Alaskan Bush which used to be my regular club but after the shootings and killings there a couple of years ago I have avoided it like the plague not having been there since then. I guess I still am concerned about the place in that they do not have adequate security. Personally, I like it when I go to Bandaids and they use the metal detector to see if I am carrying any weapons. I then thought about Eve's Tease but I remembered that they like to push blocks of time instead of individual dances so I decided against that. I then decided to try Blue Moon. Back in April, you can read my reports here but I had had an issue with the place where they tried to extort money out of me. I was still a bit sheepish about going there. Since I had trashed the place on here and every other review site that I knew of I was afraid that they were going to not let me in. Shortly after that incident one time I drove into the parking lot of Blue Moon not to go there but to make a you turn and the bouncer immediately saw me not knowing I was not planning on going in and started to motion to shoo me away. I yearned for those old Blue Moon days and I had read on here and other sites that people were having good experiences again so I thought maybe that bouncer and manager was gone. I thought what the hell, I am going to give it a try. I got there and the bouncer was not the same person so I lucked out there. I got in and the manager was not the same person so I guess the manager that tried to extort me must no longer be there. I was then concerned that some of the girls would recognize me from that incident. There was only one girl there that I knew from previous visits and she in fact welcomed me with open arms hugging and kissing me the second she saw me asking me why I had not been there is so long. So it appears that Blue Moon is good again (unless that manager or bouncer works a different shift).

I went through one round of dances not getting any privates immediately. I always like to go through one round of all the dancers seeing everyone that is working that night before I get a dance. Dulce, the girl that I mention hugged and kissed me asking me why I had not been there in so long in fact asked me if I wanted a dance. In the past, if you read my reports me and Dulce do definitely have a history. She and I have good rapport. So I immediately told Dulce yes, I want a dance with you but I like to go through a round of dancers first before I get one and I told her to make sure she comes back after I have been through a round and I jokingly told her that if she didn't I was going to have to hunt her down. LOL All but maybe one of the dancers at BM were doable woment that night. As I said earlier, I have an intense liking of Latinas and there were 4 of them on the docket there. After the round was up Dulce who is a Puerto Rican hottie came over as I had told her to and I got a dance from her. She made me know why I had missed the days of the Blue Moon and why I am now happy that it appears to be safe to go to again. She gave the very famous "hands on" dance that she gives. On the third song I was fully released and I was a very happy guy. I went back to my seat to watch a couple of other dancers and then a second Latina hottie that I had never seen before named Jennifer came up to me. I got a dance from her. It was kind of funny because the first thing she asked me was if I had been touching myself and if I had already released and I said yes. She said I smelled like dirty balls (Dulce sort of made me that way. LOL). She then asked me to sanitize my hands because she did not want to smell like dirty balls. She was very hot and allowed me to touch her anywhere I wanted. She was not releasing like Dulce but to be honest that was ok because Dulce had already done that. I am not sure if she would normally be or if she didn't because she knew that Dulce already had. This girl was very nice and very open asking me what type of porn I liked, what type of women I like (Latinas of course), if I preferred shaved pussies or nicely trimmed ones and if I had ever filmed myself. She was pretty cool saying how she liked to go to adult theatres. I even invited her to Personal Preference in Mesa and she sounded interested. Hopefully she comes there! After Jennifer was done I left and was completely happy. It appears that Blue Moon is back to its old self again.Love Dulce she always takes care of me, maybe its just me but did she put on a few pounds because she seemed a bit thicker, still she is smoking hot but I remember her thinner, not a complaint just an observation.

[RZM1231]

I had a dream on Friday that after a disappointing drive through the PHX strolls, decided to head towards BM around 11 pm. The club was slow, lots of patrons but non where tipping. The selection on ladies was a bit lacking as well only three where above a 5 on my scale. I saw Juicy on stage; big booty Native / Mex / Black cute face, As and a big booty. She came down and Sat. Next o me. She smelled like she hadn't put any deodorant on, so a total turn off, I was polite and chatted for a bit then I went to sit at the stage and saw Unique. Cute, petite black girl. Thin but a nice firm booty, perky A's really nice smile. She was a 9 easy on my scale of up to 10. We talked for a while then she asked me for a dance. I was looking for Dulce because she is my favorite but I was told she had gone home early, so Unique fill her spot beautifully. We went on to the back wall and she asked me what Dulce did for me, she went on to offer more than the hands on dance and then asked if Dulce did more to which I elaborated on. She offer the same just as long as I had protection so I just had to sample those tight lips. She was beyond great, plus she mentioned opportunities outside of the club and gave me her digits. I'm yet arrange anything but when I do I'll report on that dream.

Can anyone give me a few spots on the strolls that are consistently succesful, that would be great.

Stay safe out there.

[AzMonger95]

I have done the strip club thing in Tucson for the better part of the last 15 years. Always had the most fun with the black girls and the very few asians down there. I now live in the West Valley near I-10. So my question is, Are there any clubs in Phoenix, preferably in the West side that have more than 1 or 2 asian dancers? If so, how do they treat their customers? When I lived in Tucson, there were these twins that worked at Curves, don't know if they were Jap or Filipino, but they absolutely love doing double dances for the white guys and if you had them in a dark corner you could pretty much do everything but fuck them. Thanks in advance for helping the new guy out.