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kitkat75386
11-10-16, 11:52
I stopped in Bandaids about 2:30 on election day and it wasn't very busy at all. Only about 5 customers in the lounge. I usually go to HL, but with all the posts about the raid I decided to stay away and try Bandaids again. I had not been there in about 3 months. I noticed a few changes right away. They moved a lot of the chairs to the middle of the room and put benches on the side walls, there are still a few chairs there, but much less than before. They also made the stage small so they can fit more chairs in the lounge, and one of the girls told me they changed the VIP area and increased it from 4 to 5 seats and added dividers so you can not see anyone sitting next to you.
Since I had not been there in awhile the only girl that I recognized was Estrella who always seems to be there. I got a dance from her and a few couple from a few other dancers. None of them were that great. Then the girl I had been watching since I waled in, a cute little Latina girl named Monica came and sat on my lap and asked for a dance. She said VIP is better so thinking with my other head I said sure. She said VIP is $20 a song. I went back with her and had 3 good dances and paid her the $60, but then she wanted a tip and seemed very pushy about it. I did give her an extra $20 because I did enjoy her dances, but she was like is that all, I said that was all I had and she said I could use the ATM. I hate that BS and I decided to leave. Very nice girl, but very pushy about tipping.
I stopped in Bandaids about 2:30 on election day and it wasn't very busy at all. Only about 5 customers in the lounge. I usually go to HL, but with all the posts about the raid I decided to stay away and try Bandaids again. I had not been there in about 3 months. I noticed a few changes right away. They moved a lot of the chairs to the middle of the room and put benches on the side walls, there are still a few chairs there, but much less than before. They also made the stage small so they can fit more chairs in the lounge, and one of the girls told me they changed the VIP area and increased it from 4 to 5 seats and added dividers so you can not see anyone sitting next to you.
Since I had not been there in awhile the only girl that I recognized was Estrella who always seems to be there. I got a dance from her and a few couple from a few other dancers. None of them were that great. Then the girl I had been watching since I waled in, a cute little Latina girl named Monica came and sat on my lap and asked for a dance. She said VIP is better so thinking with my other head I said sure. She said VIP is $20 a song. I went back with her and had 3 good dances and paid her the $60, but then she wanted a tip and seemed very pushy about it. I did give her an extra $20 because I did enjoy her dances, but she was like is that all, I said that was all I had and she said I could use the ATM. I hate that BS and I decided to leave. Very nice girl, but very pushy about tipping.This what I was referring to about Cuban dancers. Pushy about everything. I can't believe you gave her $20 tip. I'm not surprised by her saying that's all. Don't be an enabler.
Isn't there like a $5 out of network fee from the ATM plus a $5 bank fee on top so like $10 surcharge to use that atm?
Isn't there like a $5 out of network fee from the ATM plus a $5 bank fee on top so like $10 surcharge to use that atm?Depends on what club you are at. I remember one club I went to in Miami. Had a $10 charge and and my bank charged me $7 never would I do that again. But I think you are spot on about the clubs in Phoenix. I recall a buddy of mine saying it was $5 to use the ATM at C Folds.
Isn't there like a $5 out of network fee from the ATM plus a $5 bank fee on top so like $10 surcharge to use that atm?Most banks at least on debit cards reimburse for any bank fee any bank ATM. The private ATM machines at Clubs I believe depends if on the same network as your bank I. E. Cirrus etc.
I use a bank debit card and have never had any ATM fee including in Canada and in foreign travel you get the real exchange rate not bid / ask spread or the high spread fees at the airport money changes, hotels etc.
Credit cards are different and usually get changed advance fee and of course higher interest rates if not paid off each month.
Danimal Forth
11-11-16, 13:38
About a month ago there was an asian girl at T&A. She looked good on stage though I didn't really see her up close. Sometimes I wonder why girls aren't working at better clubs until I get a better view. I tried but wasn't able to catch a name. Also spotted two or three Bandaids girls down there recently. Not sure what that's all about.
For the guys who like them really thin there's this young lady down there who is probably the tiniest dancer I've ever seen. She passed by me and I'm guessing her height is around 5'3" without shoes and I'm gauging her weight could be a low as 85 lbs. Somehow she manages to not look overly boney and she does have a pretty face. I'm not saying she has a lot of curves, it's just not emaciated. My first thought was latina but I heard that it's actually black / white. Pretty sure she goes by Diamond but that could be wrong.
Higgs Boson
11-13-16, 03:59
Great time Tuesday night with Higgs and BigTim / Tommy. We were supposed to be joined by a well-known escort that has gone wild with the dancers on another visit, but she had babysitter problems. The biggest winner of the night at least for myself and I believe BigTim was Brittany. Age 23 slender, maybe too much so for Higgs, but for me very nice and my preferred smaller breasts even if can't fully enjoy them with the new restrictions. She was cuddled in our arms, very responsive close to a five on my 0-5 intimacy scale with five being rare. I know BigTim really liked her but will let him say more if he chooses. The most descriptive word as BigTim mentioned to me is "sweet. ".She was very nice.
Dynamite was an interesting story with her name very appropriate. At first thought, she was over aggressive, perhaps pushy and thought she would drag us to the VIP (I have never been in the VIP over the decades). My ideal body type, although just a tad almost skinny. However, once she talked about being seductive about blowing up, and she would be dynamite, joined with Higgs in a good political discussion. While talking also did some nice hand holding.
(snip) My negative reaction changed after seeing her dance with Higgs and BigTim with more my type of dance. When she offered to go to VIP with both she both times said they were worried about my being left alone. Of course, I had no objection. What was odd, however, is she never came back for a dance from me even after having lots of good interaction with her.We all have different opinions on the same dancers. Brittany was indeed sweet but for me a little undernourished. As for Dynamite, she was almost emaciated. Nice enough person, I agreed to do couple of dances with Dynamite mostly because she has spent a bit of time with us. After I stopped us at two dances, Dynamite turned on the VIP hard sell, and I used you, Dave, as an excuse because I felt it would be impolite to tell her to f*ck off though that was beginning to go through my head.
The oddest situation where I looked over to Higgs almost wanting to say "HELP" I need help to get rid of her. Body nice not quite slender for my ideal. Forgot name since just wanted her to leave but didn't quite know how to nicely dismiss her so engaged more than I should have for her mostly nonsensical rants (edit)
I think I said I needed to leave and she went into a huge "sales pitch" on how wonderful she could be with me if I would go with her to the VIP. No, in fact, I have never been to the VIP in over a decade coming her, just not my thing. Well, I should have the new experience with her. I'm thinking is there any way I can signal Higgs to interrupt us some way but no clue how.
You'd think that after all these years we would have some kind of signals or code to get help in repelling the unappealing dancers. We'll work on it.
Edit.
But I wanted to say proper goodbyes to BigTim and Higgs who kept having gals in their laps. Finally, after BigTim finished and Higgs just started with a nice black gal (who I earlier rejected but complimented her on her great smile), I said my goodbyes to both after an enjoyable evening (except for the election). The 3 of us had planned to check out Cheetahs (soon to be Scores) and not sure if Higgs and BigTim made it there after I left.My dances with the black dancer had a promising start but it appears she was following the new code of conduct. We soon parted ways.
I know you two found paradise in Brittany and Dynamite but they were a little too boney for me and Dynamite's hard sell for the VIP started to make me angry.
I skipped Cheetahs / Scores. I think I'll wait a month or two to let them make changes. I proceeded to Bandaids where I had a set of exciting dances with Nairobi: medium-build, B-breasts, bodacious booty, and the cutest face set off with her new pixie hairstyle.
Also ran into a couple of Bandaids non-dancer regulars and we got caught up on things.
Higgs.
Dynamite turned on the VIP hard sell, and I used you, Dave, as an excuse because I felt it would be impolite to tell her to f*ck off though that was beginning to go through my head.You'd think that after all these years we would have some kind of signals or code to get help in repelling the unappealing dancers. We'll work on it.
Yah, I missed the leaving poor old Dave alone was the excuse to get rid of her, not that I'd care if you went to the VIP. Would be interesting how we could bail another out if we had a code to get rid of a persistent dancer in our laps. Like what to do or excuse one could say to help the escape. Odd usually I have more issues with not being approached by dancers vs our both trying to get them off our laps when we want to get rid of a gal that happened Tues night.
I did think Dynamite was too thin but was warming up to her personality in the discussion vs the initial approach. So her not coming back for me was a blessing based on the VIP harassing she was giving you. Her nicely holding hands was an attraction :)
Wow, did I have a good time at Hi-Liter with my friends Higgs and Dave a few weeks ago on election night. My girl friend could not make it because of baby sitter problems. It seems Dave and I like the same sort of dancer. A smaller, spinner type, that gives on your lap - Lap dances, and likes to cuddle, and visit a bit. It seems Brittany fits that bill to a T. Higgs seems to like a bit bigger dancer with a butt. This is a club where we all can have fun with the varied lineup. I do appreciate my good times with Higgs and Dave. Now with Miss Brittany on the radar, I can't wait to see her again, and again! She is our new sweetheart .
I did not find that there were any differences in the dances since the raid, compared to when I was in the club last August. Seems to vary with the dancer. I had some hands on boobies dances right in front of a "clip board guy" with no problems this time. Now I can't wait until mid January when I come out again.
Wasted Kkid
11-25-16, 00:07
Going to be heading to Phoenix / Tempe area on a business trip in 2 weeks. I read that stuff has slowed down a bit. Whats a fun place to burn a Saturday afternoon?
Higgs Boson
11-26-16, 03:35
Going to be heading to Phoenix / Tempe area on a business trip in 2 weeks. I read that stuff has slowed down a bit. Whats a fun place to burn a Saturday afternoon?Nothing personal but have some respect for the people on this thread posting field reports and RTF. We shouldn't have to revisit this topic for every Winter visitor. Here's a bone: forget Scottsdale and Tempe. Hit clubs in Phoenix.
Higgs.
Nothing personal but have some respect for the people on this thread posting field reports and RTF. We shouldn't have to revisit this topic for every Winter visitor. Here's a bone: forget Scottsdale and Tempe. Hit clubs in Phoenix.
Higgs.Seems like the board members prefer HiLiter. Even if it is not good, you can at least go across the street to ABC Nissan or get some teriyaki chicken at Tokyo Express.
Heel Lover
11-26-16, 22:47
Had a dream just about the new pricing at the blue moon. Cover was now 12 (regardless of time) and dance prices were now 46. Half hour and hour shows also higher, but don't remember exact pricing.
11/26/16 04:20 DPS ON SCENE SHOTS FIRED IN THE PARKING LOT OF JAGUARS NIGHTCLUB, DARK CHARGER FLED, SECURITY HAS IDS.
This is from an incident report but no other information found.
Higgs Boson
11-27-16, 03:25
Going to be heading to Phoenix / Tempe area on a business trip in 2 weeks. I read that stuff has slowed down a bit. Whats a fun place to burn a Saturday afternoon?DrPoon's gracious response has shown me the error of my ways. Here's a more polite reply.
Yes, the Hi Liter is a good choice. Mostly white dancers, but you'll find some latinas and, during the day, about 3 asians.
Closer to Tempe is Bigtime47's favorite club, the Bourbon Street Circus. Typically all white dancers with sometimes a token light complexioned black. Dancers seem to pass the management auditions if they have fake boobs however visits in the last couple of years hint that management is willing to hire more variety in body types. Don't go here if you're looking for black or thick women.
Of course, if you're in Tempe you can always visit the Christies' on Baseline Road. Technically it isn't in Tempe but across the road in Guadalupe. Don't visit the other places in Tempe or Scottsdale.
For more diversity in dancers, I recommend Bandaids. Just be careful about the cubans. They may try to lure you to the VIP area but you don't need to do VIP here to have an enjoyable time.
These mentioned places are generally in very safe areas. Read back in the forum for more details and other clubs.
Higgs.
Dick North
11-27-16, 18:37
Spash some water in your face bud, it's no dream. Called real pricing change.
Still like Eboni and Unique AA ladies extraordinaire. Not sure who the blond dancer is with the near perfect figure, even has tan lines which is a killer deal for me! She never seems to have dance customers tho, so I will have to check her out.
DN.
Had a dream just about the new pricing at the blue moon. Cover was now 12 (regardless of time) and dance prices were now 46. Half hour and hour shows also higher, but don't remember exact pricing.
Spash some water in your face bud, it's no dream. Called real pricing change.
Still like Eboni and Unique AA ladies extraordinaire. Not sure who the blond dancer is with the near perfect figure, even has tan lines which is a killer deal for me! She never seems to have dance customers tho, so I will have to check her out.
DN.Hmmm if you find out who the blonde let me know! I love tan lines.
Eboni and Clover are my faves.
11/26/16 04:20 DPS ON SCENE SHOTS FIRED IN THE PARKING LOT OF JAGUARS NIGHTCLUB, DARK CHARGER FLED, SECURITY HAS IDS.
This is from an incident report but no other information found.Higgs, Do you remember the last time we went on tour, as we left Hi-Liter, one of the door men was out having a smoke? We had a nice discussion about different clubs, and he forewarned us about Jaguars. He said that they have many extra security staffers compared to other clubs, and basically warned us to stay away. Right then I realized that it was no place for me to go. I think you said that you have been there in the past. Stay safe my friend, and everyone else.
Higgs Boson
11-29-16, 02:29
Higgs, Do you remember the last time we went on tour, as we left Hi-Liter, one of the door men was out having a smoke? We had a nice discussion about different clubs, and he forewarned us about Jaguars. He said that they have many extra security staffers compared to other clubs, and basically warned us to stay away. Right then I realized that it was no place for me to go. I think you said that you have been there in the past. Stay safe my friend, and everyone else.Ah, you remember my last post about Jaguars, visiting with a dancer acquaintance. Besides the augmented butts, I witnessed 3 fights. One guy was quickly escorted outside within 15 minutes of our arrival. We were seated near the entrance on the opposite side from the main stage and this guy was about to heave his partially consumed bottle as he was being hustled out the door but one of the security guys grabbed the raised arm.
Later, I witnessed a fight starting as I walked to the mens room, then another on my return. The security crew were on top of each incident. I hope management pays them well because they deserve combat pay.
Readers may remember an incident in the last few months involving some local rap celebrity who told his buddies he was stepping outside to meet a friend and his body was later discovered on the grounds of the adjacent motel.
As we've noted before, Jaguars is more of a night club for the latino crowd rather than a strip joint. Many of the customers are there to hang out with friends and get drunk. The dancers on the poles are background entertainment and not the main attraction. The dancers seem to make most of their money onstage and there isn't a lot of lap action.
I was there during the day with another dancer acquaintance last year. Though the dancers said things were relatively quiet, not a lot of customers, the atmosphere seemed better for lap dances. I think others here have been there during the day.
Yeah, Bigtime47, visiting this club on a Saturday night would be quite an experience as you work your way up to 200 clubs. (hah, hah)
Higgs.
Dick North
11-29-16, 18:06
Hmmm if you find out who the blonde let me know! I love tan lines.
Eboni and Clover are my faves.I had an opportunity to visit with the blonde dancer. Her name is Mya. The other blonde is Clover. Had a session with Mya and complimented her on her great body. She said that she was thankful for the dim lighting at the BM. So I guess she is a little older than I suspected. She is from Michigan and she never thought she would be working at a place like BM. Has a bit of a British accent. Seems very proper at the outset but gave a decent dance.
Still prefer the AA ladies but needed a break for some 'strange'.
DN.
I had an opportunity to visit with the blonde dancer. Her name is Mya. The other blonde is Clover. Had a session with Mya and complimented her on her great body. She said that she was thankful for the dim lighting at the BM. So I guess she is a little older than I suspected. She is from Michigan and she never thought she would be working at a place like BM. Has a bit of a British accent. Seems very proper at the outset but gave a decent dance.
Still prefer the AA ladies but needed a break for some 'strange'.
DN.Oh I'll have to check her out been looking to get some dances outside of my two favorites I mentioned.
On another note going to be making a visit to hiliter sometime this week. I hope its not as bad as people are saying it has become.
Higgs Boson
12-01-16, 02:41
On another note going to be making a visit to hiliter sometime this week. I hope its not as bad as people are saying it has become.If you've been to the Hi Liter before, I'm sure it will correspond to your expectations but, either way, let us know about it.
Higgs.
"While Collar Crime" special condition for prostitution probation being applied in Phoenix.
I have not seen this before in any prostitution cases, may be a new standard from AG's office.
Phoenix massage parlor case pled to class 5 felony house of prostitution count for taking $40 massage fee and offering "manual release" for $80 to an under cover. Had locations in Glendale, Phoenix and Scottsdale and advertised on the Internet.
On 11/29/2016, M. Sentenced to 2 years probation but in addition to the normal probation conditions which always includes no possession or use of alcoholic beverages it had a special "White Collar Crime" additional conditions, which I have never seen before. As part of plea, four other counts dismissed including money laundering when turn in to parlor or deposit money from a customer. Appears the "White Collar" is applied due to the dismissal of the money laundering count. It was recommended in the presentence report and applied by the judge.
Added White Collar conditions:
10% of all income goes to restitution (no idea to who, the State?
Provide info on all checking / savings and all asset accounts.
Cannot apply for any credit without approval. Provide credit report.
Approval required for any new employment or self-employment.
Cannot go to any gaming establishment.
No Internet use without prior approval.
This is in addition to the usual conditions of probation that include no possession or use of alcoholic beverages.
She was also an LMT, so the usual a notice was sent to AZ massage licensing board to revoke her massage license.
Looking up what is a "white collar crime":
In Arizona, white collar crimes are defined as offenses that are typically committed by those with a high social status or class. The common name refers to the idea that these types of criminals are more likely to wear pressed white collared shirts to work, rather than the blue collared shirts that common laborers wear. Examples of white collar crime includes money laundering.
The case continues for 3 gals that have not yet taken a plea deal and are out of jail pending trial on $5000 bond.
After getting back from Miami. I come back to reality of dances and sorts in Phoenix. LOL At this point I just mainly go to Chicas. Went yesterday and it was a miss. Only chick I liked was Bella which I had some good times with before. But the good thing is the VIP card. I paid $ for the year and it gets you $3 drinks and admission anytime. This is great because if I want to go at night I don't have to worry about cover. I come here often so it is very well worth it. Stopped at Jags but it was a empty. Decided to go home afterwards.
Higgs Boson
12-04-16, 03:21
Briefly, Exodus had a very short life. It opened about two weeks ago. I noticed cars in the parking lot while passing by. Last week one of my dancer acquanitances tried working there on a Saturday night. Her report: she said it was "wack" (bad). No customers. Yesterday, a Friday night, I drove past the joint: no cars. It's closed.
Higgs.
After getting back from Miami. I come back to reality of dances and sorts in Phoenix. LOL At this point I just mainly go to Chicas. Went yesterday and it was a miss. Only chick I liked was Bella which I had some good times with before. But the good thing is the VIP card. I paid $ for the year and it gets you $3 drinks and admission anytime. This is great because if I want to go at night I don't have to worry about cover. I come here often so it is very well worth it. Stopped at Jags but it was a empty. Decided to go home afterwards.Oh damn! Did not know about the VIP Card. How much $$ is it?
I went on Friday to see my girl E*a. Had a great time. Songs were a bit short from what it seemed, but the dances with her are always great. Currently my favorite dancer in all of Phoenix. Got there Friday at about 12 noon and it was just me, the bartender and the DJ. Another patron came in about 10 minutes after me and sat at the bar. My girl and another one both came out at about 12:30. I had my 8 dances and was out! Look forward to coming back real soon!
Oh damn! Did not know about the VIP Card. How much $$ is it?
I went on Friday to see my girl E*a. Had a great time. Songs were a bit short from what it seemed, but the dances with her are always great. Currently my favorite dancer in all of Phoenix. Got there Friday at about 12 noon and it was just me, the bartender and the DJ. Another patron came in about 10 minutes after me and sat at the bar. My girl and another one both came out at about 12:30. I had my 8 dances and was out! Look forward to coming back real soon!Ask one of the managers. It's $100 for the year. It's worth it.
Oh I'll have to check her out been looking to get some dances outside of my two favorites I mentioned.
On another note going to be making a visit to hiliter sometime this week. I hope its not as bad as people are saying it has become.I have been to BM several times and every time I see Maya I have a wonderful time. She is very nice and easy to talk to, and nice looking. She is a MILF, which is what I prefer. I have seen her in daylight and I keep comming back for more. Be nice to her. She deserves it.
Head Banger
12-07-16, 02:43
I noticed that you guys said highlighter had a few asians, just curious if there were any other places that were better. If so what days and times to see them?
Been years since I've been to a club cause I hate the look but don't touch rules, but I have a friend and his wife who want to go someplace, so I figure it might be fun having a female customer around.
Thanks.
Bandaids 12/6/2016 Tues 4-5 PM.
After stood up on a companion appointment needed a fast adjustment from my Chiropractor that I've used for over a decade where use to live off Camelback /24th Street for my back tightness. Afterward needed a women in my arms since companion fell though so stopped at Bandaids.
Not very busy. I like the new lounge seats vs chairs along the edges and still $10 dances. Lots of heavier gals mostly black but I was luck and about the only 3 dancers I was attracted to were the 3 the offered dances. All 3 were fairly good, did 2 songs with each. No real "connection" as I describe, not much conversation, it but very enjoyable bodies. I try and have eye contact but they all seemed focused on the wall mirror behind us.
Bianica fairly new and 4 on my 0-5 intimacy scale (5 very rare). Not clear English and tried to get me to VIP but after that was good.
Monica. Very cute nice body except breasts don't think natural. More sexy than my "intimate. " 3 on my scale but great body and cute face.
Missy. Really nice soft breasts 4 on my intimacy scale.
Dick North
12-07-16, 19:41
I noticed that you guys said highlighter had a few asians, just curious if there were any other places that were better. If so what days and times to see them?
Been years since I've been to a club cause I hate the look but don't touch rules, but I have a friend and his wife who want to go someplace, so I figure it might be fun having a female customer around.
Thanks.You might try Centerfolds. Dancer there is 'China' from Taiwan. A petite cutie, a little older but a good dancer.
Worth a visit IMHO. I believe she is there Wed-Fri.
DN.
Went to Chicas around 6:00 on Tuesday night. No cover (anyone know what time they start charging cover at night? Got my water and sat down. They had a food setup going on (only seen it at lunch previously) and maybe 20 guys in the joint. I was supposed to meet me favorite there, but she wasn't there and didn't text me back. Lame! Chilled for a bit and got a couple of dances from "Ivy". Hispanic girl with natural tits, pierced nipples. Dances were about as expected at Chicas. Scored a free T-Shirt from the owner of the club. Got a grey Corona T-Shirt size XXL, too! I'm a bigger dude and its a pretty nice shirt! Bailed after about an hour.
Drove down to Bandaids next. Total buzzkill! Bandaids was horrible tonight. There was only one girl I would have considered getting a dance with, and she was occupied the whole time. Saw a couple of the Cuban chicks and a bunch of newer, skinnier, no curves girls too. Had a pretty bummed out mood in the joint on Tuesday too. Nobody was tipping or getting dances or anything. Might have been the worst trip to Bandaids in years! I'll try, try again though!
I noticed that you guys said highlighter had a few asians, just curious if there were any other places that were better. If so what days and times to see them?
Been years since I've been to a club cause I hate the look but don't touch rules, but I have a friend and his wife who want to go someplace, so I figure it might be fun having a female customer around.
Thanks.Tonight at centerfolds three Asian porn stars will be stripping. Today thru Saturday I believe.
There is also a Asian dancer that is young that works there.
Dick North
12-08-16, 18:53
Visited today early afternoon. Waved in with no security check. Lots of dancers with more coming in. Asked about Jesse and was told that she moved to Highliter. Sat at the bar for awhile and finally noticed a petite very attractive black dancer. I visited with Magic and had a great time. I also noticed one of my latina favs Blue, who now has much larger boobs and has added maybe 10b's. No longer one of my favs.
I do like the new VIP layout, not sure about the main floor.
Will return.
DN.
Head Banger
12-09-16, 00:18
Tonight at centerfolds three Asian porn stars will be stripping. Today thru Saturday I believe.
There is also a Asian dancer that is young that works there.Thanks Deboinair, is there a good time to see the porn stars when it won't be crowded? That might be really fun! Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks Deboinair, is there a good time to see the porn stars when it won't be crowded? That might be really fun! Thanks for the heads up.I went last night and it was a pretty small crowd. 2 of the porn stars are not attractive and not in shape. The third one that looked good was late. I was leaving when she was coming in.
I spent time with a sexy slim Puerto Rican dancer named Cutie. She looked way better than the two asians that were on stage IMO.
Danimal Forth
12-10-16, 12:34
I went last night and it was a pretty small crowd. 2 of the porn stars are not attractive and not in shape. The third one that looked good was late. I was leaving when she was coming in.
I spent time with a sexy slim Puerto Rican dancer named Cutie. She looked way better than the two asians that were on stage IMO.I was in that side so I checked it out too. "Asian Invasion" ran from 10 to 2 so my timing was perfect. London Keyes was posing for photos with a few guys. Eventually she hung out by the stage with a couple guys and a few dancers from what I could tell. The guys were spending money but I guess it's cool she was hanging out. It looked like she has some personality.
Annie Cruz and Kaylani Lei did three songs together on stage at about 11:30. Annie looked the best, from afar, and Kaylani not so much. There was a lot of cash on the stage but it wasn't like there was a line of guys trying to get in on it. They tossed a few posters into the crowd at the end.
Those two girls were supposed to go hang out and do photos. Maybe they were cleaning up after their little candle wax and squirting thing. Either way I never saw them again even though the DJ kept announcing it.
I saw four or five very attractive ladies with A and B cups. Not many augmented ones overall. I can see myself going back to look for them again. Also spotted Gabby who I know from Bandaids. Not sure if I saw Cutie.
Probably a typical Friday crowd. I noticed a fair number of female customers with guys if that means anything. Cover was still $10. I'll be back soon.
I was in that side so I checked it out too. "Asian Invasion" ran from 10 to 2 so my timing was perfect. London Keyes was posing for photos with a few guys. Eventually she hung out by the stage with a couple guys and a few dancers from what I could tell. The guys were spending money but I guess it's cool she was hanging out. It looked like she has some personality.
Annie Cruz and Kaylani Lei did three songs together on stage at about 11:30. Annie looked the best, from afar, and Kaylani not so much. There was a lot of cash on the stage but it wasn't like there was a line of guys trying to get in on it. They tossed a few posters into the crowd at the end.
Those two girls were supposed to go hang out and do photos. Maybe they were cleaning up after their little candle wax and squirting thing. Either way I never saw them again even though the DJ kept announcing it.
I saw four or five very attractive ladies with A and B cups. Not many augmented ones overall. I can see myself going back to look for them again. Also spotted Gabby who I know from Bandaids. Not sure if I saw Cutie.
Probably a typical Friday crowd. I noticed a fair number of female customers with guys if that means anything. Cover was still $10. I'll be back soon.I think Kaylani was the best looking one with the best body. London Keyes is fat plain and simple. Annie Cruz just doesn't do it for me either. The show was rather lame to be honest. C Folds is a cool spot to go to. The only thing is seems like the same girls are there all the time. I stopped going there for months and come to find the same girls. A few new ones though.
Peacekeeper
01-05-17, 01:48
I haven't been here in a while and planning on going within a day or two in the afternoon. I was just wondering if anyone would recommend me any of your favorites dancers. Thanks.
I make it up to the Blue Moon about every 6 weeks or so, and when I do get there I almost always get with Maya. She works days and is very sweet. And very FUN! My favorite.
I haven't been here in a while and planning on going within a day or two in the afternoon. I was just wondering if anyone would recommend me any of your favorites dancers. Thanks.
Dick North
01-06-17, 19:56
I make it up to the Blue Moon about every 6 weeks or so, and when I do get there I almost always get with Maya. She works days and is very sweet. And very FUN! My favorite.Can't go wrong with 2 AA dancers. Ebony Mon-Tues & Fri-Sat, + Unique every day.
DN.
Dick North
01-06-17, 20:02
Visited yesterday early afternoon. Door guy was very nice and waved me in. Sat at the bar and was approached by Susy, Monica and Blue. Chose Susy (silkiest skin ever!) and had a good time in VIP. Monica & Blue were 'annoyingly aggessive', but it was a fun experience.
DN.
TexasMonger
01-11-17, 18:14
Gents.
Will be gracing your city in the next couple of weeks and am wondering which of the 3 clubs are the best bang for the out of state buck. I go to Tucson a lot and have found what I am looking for there in the form of Venom, the boat, curves, and the like, but I do not have any idea of what is happening here except from the reports I looked up which do not tell much or tell a grim story of no action.
What I am interested is AA, Latina, and occasionally a white dancer. For action in the club and possibly out.
On the list of the clubs that come to mind.
Bandaids / Chica / Hi-Liter.
I know there may be a fear of discussing details in the open forum, so PM (s) are welcome.
Cheers.
TM.
Dick North
01-12-17, 19:54
Visited yesterday in search of my friend from Bandaids "Jesse". I have not been in the Hi Liter for over 10 years. I was amazed, first at the parking lot (which was full) and at the lounge area which was also full of squirming, groping, tugging couples. I am guessing that there were an equal number of dancers & patrons. Mind you this was mid-day! Anyway, I sat at the front area by the 'beverage' window as there were no table / seats available. Good move on my part as I was able to review the activities in this position. One dancer Huston sat next to me and explained the layout & rules. She seemed to say that even basic floor dances are only topless with an additional charge. Later, I met a few ladies and mentioned my search for "Jesse". A few finally came up to me to say that she was visiting family in Thailand.
My conclusions about this place are:1. Bring some serious dough and 2. Try to look and act like a 30-40 rich yuppie.
Good luck.
DN.
Heel Lover
01-13-17, 11:02
So, been meaning to ask here for awhile. Saw a Lilly, lily, or even Lillie quite a while ago at bm (maybe July). Only had time to go back once since then (around Thanksgiving) and of course forgot to ask if she still was there. She was a bbw, so maybe not everyone's favorite or type. But she had such a cool, laid back personality / demeanor and was so fun to talk to (because we know that is why we go to strip clubs right j / k). Oh and she also had natural ddd that were amazing and she wasn't huge by any means. She was voluptuous, curvy etc. She had black hair.
I've been to probably half the clubs in the area in search of the biggest, and the biggest I've seen so far is mustang (who is amazing BTW).
Anybody know where I can find anything bigger? Or at least comparable? I'm talking DDD (E) and up.
Thanks.
So, been meaning to ask here for awhile. Saw a Lilly, lily, or even Lillie quite a while ago at bm (maybe July). Only had time to go back once since then (around Thanksgiving) and of course forgot to ask if she still was there. She was a bbw, so maybe not everyone's favorite or type. But she had such a cool, laid back personality / demeanor and was so fun to talk to (because we know that is why we go to strip clubs right j / k). Oh and she also had natural ddd that were amazing and she wasn't huge by any means. She was voluptuous, curvy etc. She had black hair.Check the Massage section of BP, she left BM a few months ago. The loves to get updates from her friends from BM!
Gents.
Will be gracing your city in the next couple of weeks and am wondering which of the 3 clubs are the best bang for the out of state buck. I go to Tucson a lot and have found what I am looking for there in the form of Venom, the boat, curves, and the like, but I do not have any idea of what is happening here except from the reports I looked up which do not tell much or tell a grim story of no action.
What I am interested is AA, Latina, and occasionally a white dancer. For action in the club and possibly out.
On the list of the clubs that come to mind.
Bandaids / Chica / Hi-Liter.
I know there may be a fear of discussing details in the open forum, so PM (s) are welcome.
Cheers.
TM.Black girls, Bandaids and Chicas for sure. Hispanic girls, Chicas always, and Bandaids day shift. White girls, Hi Liter. Best bang for your buck? All of them depending on the right dancer. As far as a straight up floor dance, I have had the most action at Chicas, followed by Bandaids, then Hi Liter. All 3 are very good though with mutual touching almost everywhere depending on the girl. All 3 places have $10.00 dances.
I've been to probably half the clubs in the area in search of the biggest, and the biggest I've seen so far is mustang (who is amazing BTW).
Do you know where Mustang is these days?
I've been to probably half the clubs in the area in search of the biggest, and the biggest I've seen so far is mustang (who is amazing BTW).By any chance, do you know where Mustang is dancing these days?
Bourbon Street 1/14/2017 Saturday. Met BigTim (well known as the Joker) at 8 PM, another guy that sometimes joins us couldn't make it. Higgs and I often meet up with BigTim when he is in Phoenix. Lives in my old home state Minnesota. Higgs not with us tonight but will be on Tuesday.
Very few dancers or customers until about 10 PM. By midnight when left, was very full and the best dancers seemed to be constantly in the VIP's.
Met and had a few dances with many. While enjoyed all three were standouts Mel (borne) and one of my all time favorites but hadn't seen since 2015 was Mariah. Also Mikayla. BigTim was great helping me remember dancer names and something about them. He tried his hardest to have me meet "sweet A breasted gal. " She had texted him she was there but appeared to get tied up with lots of guys, and we finally gave up trying to get Old Dave together with her since BigTim thought we'd be a really good match.
Interesting discussion with Vanessa? She came from Montreal so good talk about my Montreal vs. Toronto comparisons etc. Sunny. And a few others whose names I forget since I was too busy talking with BigTim to keep good notes and it is very dark so needed my smart phone light to makes notes. Do remember Sunny, nice body but two wild in dance for my interests and I wasn't able to "tame" her as I can sometimes do. She was a 0 on my intimacy scale but an enjoyable body.
It seemed, most of the dancers we met are going to college in some professions such as Pre-Med, pharmacist, Marketing, etc. At least the ones we connected with vs. Quite a few "want to dance" dancers we passed on. But many asked to join us, sat in our laps getting to know us before luring us off to the VIP.
The three standouts:
Mikayla. BigTim has met many times, and I had met on another visit here with him in November 2015. She knows of our tour group and is always friendly with nice warm face and smiles. In dances about a four on my 0-5 intimacy scale.
Mel (bourne) - Has only been here three weeks but very outgoing, friendly and BigTim had met before on this trip so were like old friends and he"sold" me to her. BigTim is a great wingman for less talkative Dave and sells by massage skills to dancers he thinks I would also like. Mel had Ideal body, and we hit it off wonderfully. 4+ on my 0-5 intimacy scale with five very rare. You won't believe her other occupation in petroleum engineering! Her great personality easily overcomes her lack of dancer experience.
Mariah. Ah Mariah. Wonderful nice touch while at the table before going to VIP. My kind of mutual touch in sincere ways which is my objective vs. Just wild dancing and seduction of some dancers. She remembered me from 2015 meeting, and she had later danced with BigTim who knew she would be dancing tonight. Off we went to the side VIP, which I am not sure had been in before. Seems used only when too busy in the back VIP. I did mention that lady that kept watching us. She thought I was serious until I noted it was the Marlin Monroe picture on the wall looking at us. Great intimacy connecting dances. One of the best with that rare five on my 0-5 intimacy scale. She will soon graduate from college in marketing, and she has already started her own company. Jewel sales. Maybe like an Ivanka Trump brand eventually. At the end I said I wish I had someone like you in real life. She says she would like also. I should have said more if would want to get together in real life, but I often assume I'm too old to be real intimate friend with there sharp young dancers.
Other dancers rated between 0 and three but all had nice bodies. As most know I especially enjoy smaller natural breasts, although I also enjoyed some larger breasts if connected to an otherwise ideal body and most of all a great personality that I connected with.
About midnight we gave up trying to connect Old Dave with Sweet A-cup gal BigTim tried so hard to get us to meet.
Thanks to BigTim for getting me drunk on all those diet cokes that kept coming!
Enjoyable evening and our usual group with Huggs, BigTim, and Old high Touch / EssalnMassager Dave, are planning a different club trip on Tuesday night.
Each of us has different personalities but complement each other. BigTim the joker but also a friend maker who enjoy educated with a personality just like I do. Higgs the friendly friends to many dancers he has helped outside the clubs. A more subtle wise man with fewer jokes than BigTim but knows how to get dancers as outside friends better than Old Dave who would like to take out some of the dancers for more if they were interested. I've had some dancer or escort real friends over the decades both in Phoenix and in Canada, although Phoenix is far more practical to meet potential real friends. However, since I am so much older I don't think that has a high likelihood.
I will be visiting your city in 2 weeks and would like to have some fun with my downtime. I will be staying close to the airport so are there any good spots within walking distance? Or places to meet so women? Tf not anytwhere close where should I go? Been watching BP & CL and have seen some interesting post on there if they are real. I'm looking forward to my visit and welcome any advice on how to stay out of trouble.
Thanks.
You might try Centerfolds. Dancer there is 'China' from Taiwan. A petite cutie, a little older but a good dancer.
Worth a visit IMHO. I believe she is there Wed-Fri.
DN.I have been seeing China for about a year. She is a little older but gives a good shall we say "friendly" dance and does not redirect my hands. I have had VIP with her and she is considerably more "friendly".
I think she ought to get a tattoo maybe on her back, which says: "Made in Taiwan".
I have been seeing China for about a year. She is a little older but gives a good shall we say "friendly" dance and does not redirect my hands. I have had VIP with her and she is considerably more "friendly".
Dick North
01-17-17, 20:05
I think she ought to get a tattoo maybe on her back, which says: "Made in Taiwan".She happens to be an exceptional class lady in this business. A rare occurrence from my experiences.
What's the tattoo on your back say?
DN.
She happens to be an exceptional class lady in this business. A rare occurrence from my experiences.
What's the tattoo on your back say?
DN.I don't believe in tattoos probably I would be allergic to the ink and also if I ever need to disappear and change my identity better not to have tattoos I think.
Tues 1/17/2017 Great time at Scores.
Our gang of 3 (Higgs, BigTim and I) again met up this time at Scores to check out. A 4th person was invited but didn't show up.
The 3 of us made up a large percentage of the total customers. Maybe varied from 5-10 besides us. Tuesday night probably expected to be slow. We were there from about 8 PM-Midnight. The night for BigTim had just begun!
When I arrived, BigTim was at the bar with Nina and introduced us. Nina turned out to be the highlight of the night. Had a long discussion on zillions of common interests and various clubs and rules. She is in school with a minor in Chinese! She is very friendly sensual black, and we really hit it off with my massage. Excluding the expensive over $100 options, the private area behind the glass with the entry guard guy is $25/ song. The experience very much like that of the Bourbon Street $20/ song booths but booths are a bit nicer with a table (to set my glasses vs. Tiny tray thing at Bourbon. Did two dances for $50 in the VIP, great for the type of contact I enjoy from very sharp, attractive Nina. A 4+ on my 0-5 intimacy scale with five very rare. BTW she likes deep massage, especially on her butts.
Later Higgs also went off with her, and I ended the night with just a $10 nice floor dance to say goodbye.
As more dancers approached it got even more interesting. No want to dance gals. Maybe seven dancers. All attractive. With about as many customers. All sat on our laps or close chair and engaged in good long conversation without fast sales pitch for dances, other than "G. ".
Most of the dancers would up in our laps and arms and many topless high touch cuddling, all my type of human interaction vs. Just looking at as a sex object. One slender cute gal after I told her I was originally from Minneapolis asked what State that was in.
Chaos (yes her name as the result of a breakup) very sensual, romantic in BigTims arms next to me for a long time without even asking for a paid dance. After she returned from a smoke break did great $10 dance for BigTim. Thanks BigTim for telling her was sure I would enjoy her also. Great two $10 dances with full contact intimacy, slim body although a bit wild. But in a sensual good way. BigTim had another name for it! But very enjoyable 4 on my very subjective intimacy scale. I would defiantly get dances from her in the future.
The only bad experience was with G. VERY aggressive, I could hardly understand a word she was saying (seemed drunk or high). Very full contact floor dance which she seemed to start before I realize she was starting. Took my hands and guided to body all over etc. But she was too much for me; she even bites me on the face and something about sticking fingers in mouth. After one dance I had a hard time getting rid of her. Something about owing her $45 or $20 but stuck to just giving her $10. Kept saying something over and over I could not understand. Was slender and attractive just too much for me. I did see her with some other customers where she didn't seem to have the same aggressiveness.
Scores scored on one very nice feature. When the dancers were on stage, their name was on big screens. I really like this idea since often can't understand names the DJ says at clubs. Name on screen for total time on stage very nice idea! The music noise as with all clubs was way too loud, and the 3 of us had to lean in close across the small table to hear each other talk. Not as bad with dancers in our laps!
Bad moment: During one of the floor dances a floor guy told the dancer I was supposed to keep my hands at my sides. He didn't actually tell me that. We both mostly ignored and were not bothered any other times with full contact dances like at many of the other clubs. If this is consistently enforced, of course, I would have no future interest in the club vs. Others. To me, caressing interaction is part of what I consider caring human touch vs. Just a sex object dancer. From other reports, it seems the club doesn't want much contact with dancers on the floor. However, lots of it was going on with only the one interruption vs. Many other dancers over the 4 hours we were at the club.
If not for the floor rules, this could be a favorite club. Like Hi-Liter was, much nicer than Bandaids and closer to Bourbon Street for private dances, although Bourbon is restrictive on floor dances.
Oh yes, I noted the birthday stage dances on the menu (dance options on the food / drink menu). It just happened this IS my birthday, but the "birthday" dances were $50, so I was not interested.
Also, I didn't see any D breasts, or larger and most or all seemed (and felt) natural. I am not into large breasts or enhanced, so this was a positive for the club in my view.
Arizona Junkie
01-18-17, 09:40
Mustang is an amazing veteran dancer! For those looking for her, she is at Sugar 44 on the dayshift, and she is definitely the queen bee of that club. She is often booked in VIP with regulars, but soooo worth the wait.
For the fellow below, go to Centerfolds on dayshift and look for Sandy. Very friendly girl with massive tits, but lots of tats. Biggest I know of in the Phoenix area. Other great candidates to seek out. Nicki at HiLiter (dayshift), and on the Bourbon night shift look for Kendra, Honey, and Sammy. On dayshift, look for Jordan. Lots of "more than a mouthful" gals, enjoy!
I've been to probably half the clubs in the area in search of the biggest, and the biggest I've seen so far is mustang (who is amazing BTW).
Anybody know where I can find anything bigger? Or at least comparable? I'm talking DDD (E) and up.
Thanks.
I've been to probably half the clubs in the area in search of the biggest, and the biggest I've seen so far is mustang (who is amazing BTW).
Anybody know where I can find anything bigger? Or at least comparable? I'm talking DDD (E) and up.
Thanks.T&A on central had / has a girl named Zita with a lovely rack.
Tues 1/17/2017 Great time at Scores.Where is Scores?
Danimal Forth
01-18-17, 21:35
Where is Scores?You just know it by another name. Used to be Cheetahs.
Heel Lover
01-18-17, 21:59
How much is VIP at sugar 44? I'm sure there are different prices, but what is the basic (ie no champagne room pricing) cost? I saw Mustang a long time ago (I think maybe a little more than 5 years ago) at Christie's phoenix. She was so cool and very pretty # Then again I do like the MILF look!
#edited wouldn't let me post rhymes with Lexi but with an s- how funny
I will be visiting your city in 2 weeks and would like to have some fun with my downtime. I will be staying close to the airport so are there any good spots within walking distance? Or places to meet so women? Tf not anytwhere close where should I go? Been watching BP & CL and have seen some interesting post on there if they are real. I'm looking forward to my visit and welcome any advice on how to stay out of trouble.
Thanks.UsaLatina your inbox is full.
Arizona Junkie
01-19-17, 01:13
Regular VIP rates at Sugar 44 are a one time $20 entry fee, and then $20/ song. The booths are fairly private, but I don't think extras are common there. There's also a CR available for blocks of time, but I haven't tried it, and have heard it's not worth the extra expense. No club cover during the day, don't know about night.
How much is VIP at sugar 44? I'm sure there are different prices, but what is the basic (ie no champagne room pricing) cost? I saw Mustang a long time ago (I think maybe a little more than 5 years ago) at Christie's phoenix. She was so cool and very pretty # Then again I do like the MILF look!
#edited wouldn't let me post rhymes with Lexi but with an s- how funny
Heel Lover
01-19-17, 22:05
Regular VIP rates at Sugar 44 are a one time $20 entry fee, and then $20/ song. The booths are fairly private, but I don't think extras are common there. There's also a CR available for blocks of time, but I haven't tried it, and have heard it's not worth the extra expense. No club cover during the day, don't know about night.
Thanks for the info. Not a big fan of that one time entry fee stuff. But I might give it a try in the future. I would just go in and ask for mustang. If she's not there just stay for a bit and see how it is going. I was in once last year and they hadn't started yet. In all fairness, it was a Wednesday. I got tired of waiting around and went to bsc. I do like that club and I really liked Jordan (she was mentioned before). Jordan is down to earth, laid back etc not to mention so pretty.
Someone may want to check out Strokers.
3614 W McDowell.
Previously Blue Moon West, Lavish, and Locas.
Locas closed long ago but reopened as Lavish and then Blue Moon West.
In 2016 changed to Strokers and is open trying to attract dancers and customers.
On facebook have guys video how selected the dancer that stroked his penis.
https://www.facebook.com/strokersclub/
Both the name of the club and the location make me scared!
Someone may want to check out Strokers.
3614 W McDowell.
Previously Blue Moon West, Lavish, and Locas.
Locas closed long ago but reopened as Lavish and then Blue Moon West.
In 2016 changed to Strokers and is open trying to attract dancers and customers.
On facebook have guys video how selected the dancer that stroked his penis.
https://www.facebook.com/strokersclub/
Both the name of the club and the location make me scared!Last I drove by this was closed, I visited when it was lavish, nothing memorable.
Heel Lover
01-22-17, 12:01
I should have posted this before Barrett Jackson, but at least it'll be here before spring training. This is sc common sense / common knowledge for the regulars here, but posting for out of towners. Feel free to post recommendations or other non recommendations. Just wanted to start with the four I can't stand and would advise to stay away from at all times. Some have fancy fb pages etc that can be enticing if you are not familiar, and will be near certain spring training teams. But winter / spring visitors heed my advice please at least this one time!
1. Always avoid dream palace aka nightmare palace worst club ever-ripoff.
2. Elite cabaret-have been in once, spent 10 dollars (I think 8 for drinks and I tipped gorgeous bartender / waitress 2) just wanted to see if it was as bad as most stated. It was worse. Out in about 5 minutes min (plus pasties are required).
3. Skin. Scottsdale pasties. Used to be fun here haven't been back since that law passed (many years ago).
4. bones- scottsdale pasties again, but even before hadn't been to babes (prior name) since like 2004 due to bad attitudes of bouncers / most dancers in my prior visit (s).
I was at Centerfolds last night to catch the Suicide Sirens, those ladies do some crazy shit BTW, when on my way out I notice that the police are taking everyone's information on the way out the club. They said someone was critically beaten at the club that night and they were looking for possible witnesses, they also had police tape around the building. I was there for several hours and didn't see or hear of any sort of incident at the club so this came as a bit of a surprise for me to hear. I also haven't seen anything on the news about any sort of beating, which is surprising considering how the media loves to excoriate strip clubs any chance they get. Has anyone heard anything?
I should have posted this before Barrett Jackson, but at least it'll be here before spring training. This is sc common sense / common knowledge for the regulars here, but posting for out of towners. Feel free to post recommendations or other non recommendations. Just wanted to start with the four I can't stand and would advise to stay away from at all times. Some have fancy fb pages etc that can be enticing if you are not familiar, and will be near certain spring training teams. But winter / spring visitors heed my advice please at least this one time!
1. Always avoid dream palace aka nightmare palace worst club ever-ripoff.
2. Elite cabaret-have been in once, spent 10 dollars (I think 8 for drinks and I tipped gorgeous bartender / waitress 2) just wanted to see if it was as bad as most stated. It was worse. Out in about 5 minutes min (plus pasties are required).
3. Skin. Scottsdale pasties. Used to be fun here haven't been back since that law passed (many years ago).
4. bones- scottsdale pasties again, but even before hadn't been to babes (prior name) since like 2004 due to bad attitudes of bouncers / most dancers in my prior visit (s).Gentlemen, was at Bones this past Tuesday night. Not a monger club. More of a night club with strippers. Went to see a dancer friend. She spent the time with a guy at the bar hustling VIP dances when not on stage. No contact out in the open dances are $25, and VIP's are $60 for 15 minutes to the house and at minimum that to the dancer or more. Half hour and hour are similarly priced. Crazy!
My friend used to work at Elite, but makes more at Bones. Owned by the same outfit I believe. Only saving grace was the waitress didn't charge me for my soda water lemon drinks. Go figure?? Pet peeve was the sign on the restroom doors. Women's said "girls, girls, girls" , while the men's said "punks" . Strictly a young crowd in that time. No need to go back! Terrible decor with a zillion small music posters all over. Some remodel job.
I was at Centerfolds last night when on my way out I notice that the police are taking everyone's information on the way out the club. They said someone was critically beaten at the club that night and they were looking for possible witnesses, they also had police tape around the building. Has anyone heard anything?ABC 15 covered it. Sadly it was a Daisy Mountain Firefighter / paramedic, 12-year veteran killed after he was assaulted at Centerfold's. They had a shot of the building. He sadly later died leaving a wife and child. No further details so probably still looking for the suspect. Now a homicide investigation.
ABC 15 covered it. Sadly it was a Daisy Mountain Firefighter / paramedic, 12-year veteran killed after he was assaulted at Centerfold's. They had a shot of the building. He sadly later died leaving a wife and child. No further details so probably still looking for the suspect. Now a homicide investigation.Is that one of the clubs which collects I'd scans?
ABC 15 covered it. Sadly it was a Daisy Mountain Firefighter / paramedic, 12-year veteran killed after he was assaulted at Centerfold's. They had a shot of the building. He sadly later died leaving a wife and child. No further details so probably still looking for the suspect. Now a homicide investigation.Thanks DavePHX, I just saw that on the news too. Very strange that there appear to be no witnesses to a vicious attack that ended up killing someone. Something sounds fishy to me.
Is that one of the clubs which collects I'd scans?No, they don't use ID scans at Centerfolds.
Thanks DavePHX, I just saw that on the news too. Very strange that there appear to be no witnesses to a vicious attack that ended up killing someone. Something sounds fishy to me.It may have been in the parking lot, not in the club which is why no one saw. Wonder if they have security cams in lot.
It may have been in the parking lot, not in the club which is why no one saw. Wonder if they have security cams in lot.So was there a robbery motive? Was he missing any money after the attack? It would make sense for gang members I would think that wanted to start robbing people in a parking lot where they may have extra money left over and are also semi-drunk or actually drunk would be a good location.
According to the Phoenix Police Department, officers were called to the hospital after 37-year-old Luke J, arrived with critical injuries around 11:30 pm Saturday.
Phoenix police say J. Was at Centerfolds strip club, near 19th and Peoria avenues, with one other person. At some point, they got separated inside and Jones was beaten up. His friend found him and took him to this hospital, according to police, but it was too late.
"He was a gentle guy, funny guy," said Jarrett. "He'll be missed tremendously. We can't see where he would be in a situation to bring this on himself so we're struggling to understand it. ".
So far, police are investigating Jones' death as a homicide. Officials said they did not have any suspects in custody and the investigation was ongoing. Further details about what happened to Jones were not released Monday.
So was there a robbery motive? Was he missing any money after the attack? It would make sense for gang members I would think that wanted to start robbing people in a parking lot where they may have extra money left over and are also semi-drunk or actually drunk would be a good location.Centerfolds does have a security guard stationed in the parking lot (at least on weekend nights).
Higgs Boson
01-24-17, 03:28
I was at Centerfolds last night to catch the Suicide Sirens, those ladies do some crazy shit BTW, when on my way out I notice that the police are taking everyone's information on the way out the club. They said someone was critically beaten at the club that night and they were looking for possible witnesses, they also had police tape around the building. I was there for several hours and didn't see or hear of any sort of incident at the club so this came as a bit of a surprise for me to hear. I also haven't seen anything on the news about any sort of beating, which is surprising considering how the media loves to excoriate strip clubs any chance they get. Has anyone heard anything?It was reported in the local Phoenix newspaper but the story said it occurred at a "nightclub" on Peoria near 20th Avenue. Nothing was mentioned about being a strip club or the name of the club. Odd reporting IMO.
Higgs.
Higgs Boson
01-24-17, 04:01
I should have posted this before Barrett Jackson, but at least it'll be here before spring training. This is sc common sense / common knowledge for the regulars here, but posting for out of towners. Feel free to post recommendations or other non recommendations. Just wanted to start with the four I can't stand and would advise to stay away from at all times. Some have fancy fb pages etc that can be enticing if you are not familiar, and will be near certain spring training teams. But winter / spring visitors heed my advice please at least this one time!
1. Always avoid dream palace aka nightmare palace worst club ever-ripoff.
2. Elite cabaret-have been in once, spent 10 dollars (I think 8 for drinks and I tipped gorgeous bartender / waitress 2) just wanted to see if it was as bad as most stated. It was worse. Out in about 5 minutes min (plus pasties are required).
3. Skin. Scottsdale pasties. Used to be fun here haven't been back since that law passed (many years ago).
4. bones- scottsdale pasties again, but even before hadn't been to babes (prior name) since like 2004 due to bad attitudes of bouncers / most dancers in my prior visit (s).Excellent points!
To this I would add, stay away from the establishments on University Drive, south of the airport. The modeling studios and one-on-one nude places have a long history of rip offs, assaults, and bait and switch. There is also only one legitimate strip club there, V Love, formerly Xecutive Show Lounge, and Newbie80 and I can say we had some nice times there in the past. However, it's a pain in the rear to find and get to. (Hey Newbie80, let's take Bigtim47 there some time.).
Higgs.
Higgs Boson
01-24-17, 04:19
Tues 1/17/2017 Great time at Scores.
(lots of text edited)The good, the bad and the ugly. OK, can't resist a film reference.
Scores is formerly Cheetahs.
The good parts was Nina and the other dancers there that evening. Perhaps because we had a small group, the dancers were more willing to drop by and talk. When I've been there on my own, the Cheetahs dancers typically didn't even bother introducing themselves but hung out at a table.
The bad parts: the setup, environment and offerings are unchanged from Cheetahs. There are about a half dozen rooms or locations for dances, ranging from out on the floor at $10/ dance, then $25/ dance at the next level. As I recall, there was a dancer trying to talk Dave and BigTim47 into going upstairs for some expensive dances.
The Ugly. Hands off on the floor dances. Nina got warned that Dave needed to keep his hands to himself by one of the security guys.
My summation: if you visited Cheetahs in the last couple of years, it hasn't really changed. You just have a crap shoot regarding dancers. The highlight of the evening was Nina who was very nice but she is not a regular there. Shame, as I really would enjoy kissing the inside of her thighs.
Higgs.
By any chance, do you know where Mustang is dancing these days?I mostly see her day shift at Sugar44. I think she goes to one other but can't remember the name.
Mustang is an amazing veteran dancer! For those looking for her, she is at Sugar 44 on the dayshift, and she is definitely the queen bee of that club. She is often booked in VIP with regulars, but soooo worth the wait.
For the fellow below, go to Centerfolds on dayshift and look for Sandy. Very friendly girl with massive tits, but lots of tats. Biggest I know of in the Phoenix area. Other great candidates to seek out. Nicki at HiLiter (dayshift), and on the Bourbon night shift look for Kendra, Honey, and Sammy. On dayshift, look for Jordan. Lots of "more than a mouthful" gals, enjoy!Thanks for the info.
Just to add to the list, I was bored and went out to the Hiliter on the 13th at midnight. Met a dancer named Jessica, she had a heavy accent, but couldn't place it, kinda Sofia Vergara-esque. Absolutly HUGE fake ones (real or fake don't matter to me as long as they're big). Like almost as big as her head. Had fun in the VIP area for a few songs. She said she only works weekends from 10 to close. Not sure if that's true or not.
She now takes the top spot on my list as far as size goes. I'll have to check out some of your other recommendations, see if there's any other contenders.
Excellent points!
To this I would add, stay away from the establishments on University Drive, south of the airport. The modeling studios and one-on-one nude places have a long history of rip offs, assaults, and bait and switch. There is also only one legitimate strip club there, V Love, formerly Xecutive Show Lounge, and Newbie80 and I can say we had some nice times there in the past. However, it's a pain in the rear to find and get to. (Hey Newbie80, let's take Bigtim47 there some time.).
Higgs.I got Wednesday off. I couldn't get a day off last week but I got my boss to give me Wednesday off. I'll go get the DL issue fixed today or Tomorrow. It's happening. Executive had the hottest black dancer I have ever seen. About 5'2", thick, pretty and she was pretty sweet.
Yep pictures and story in the media. Bouncer (Brandon) pounded the victim outside and the manager (Timothy) tried to cover it up by saying surveillance cam wasn't working. He then tried to remove it but the murder was captured on and the manager trying to disconnect the camera
Pictures on 12 News etc. Bouncer / Doorman huge MMA wrestling guy with lots of tats. Both have been booked, one for murder and the other for tampering with evidence (video cam in parking lot).
DarkStranger
01-24-17, 21:00
Thursday, headed into Bandaids paid the cover, got I'd scanned, grabbed a brew and sat down on the wall by the bar stage. The usual suspects running around, girl on the bar stage waved me over. She was nothing special but I just got there and wanted some titties in my face. She was quite grabby and I liked it until I caught the wiff of the sea coming from downunder, bleh! Returned to my seat and got approached by several of the usual and they were all very hands on when asking me if I wanted a dance. I didn't accept any of their offers because, well, they weren't hot. Here comes another one, I am thinking she is a Cuban, very hot, but I have my doubts on how well the dances would be. To my surprise she speaks perfect english and is American! We chat for a few and head back to main area and I get a couple VERY good dances. She is then called onto the stage but says if I take her to the VIP she won't have to go onstage and it will be well worth it. It was, Only needed 1 song in the VIP to get things done, I think I was in and out of the club in about 30 minutes. I think her name was Cassandra or something like that said she was fairly new from Vegas.
Monday, wanting that experience again, TO BANDAIDS! But that same girl was not working. I stuck around for a bit to see if she would show up but no such luck. I decided to see what's up at Scores, no door man, no cover, cheap beer, nice. The roster was pretty lame, girls were looking quite drugged out and just all around not good. A couple of them were taller than me in their heels which could be nice if they actually looked good. One girl caught my eye on stage so I go up to her and she was very friendly on stage, showing me things and grabbing me. After awhile she comes and sits by me at the bar, I could tell she was on meth or a lot of coke. Hand up my shorts, we sit and chat for a few. She was talking very dirty about what she wanted to do to me so hell, took her to the VIP area. Guys its all about being in the right place at the right time to get that dream we all want, a few dances with singing lessons and finished off at the rodeo and I was out the door only paid for the dances. Alexandra she went by, or something close to that.
I wanted to add a little about sugar 44, I personally like going there just because its pretty chill, close and has a good variety of girls. I don't like the $20 fee to get into the VIP so I rarely go in. Take out has been offered to me by several there so If you're into that you might try it out. Mustang is there during the day and is always busy, I prefer the younger ones so yall can have at her.
Yep pictures and story in the media. Bouncer (Brandon) pounded the victim outside and the manager (Timothy) tried to cover it up by saying surveillance cam wasn't working. He then tried to remove it but the murder was captured on and the manager trying to disconnect the camera
Pictures on 12 News etc. Bouncer / Doorman huge MMA wrestling guy with lots of tats. Both have been booked, one for murder and the other for tampering with evidence (video cam in parking lot).Sounds like a case of roid rage. I wonder what set him off. Probably not much.
The video showed that he targeted the firefighter due to him having an arm brace so I think they should try to get a first degree supervening indictment due to specific targeting of a disabled victim.
Sounds like a case of roid rage. I wonder what set him off. Probably not much.
Police report says interior camera showed the assault / murder. If inside hard to believe no one else saw it. Big entry area but money collector gal at least if in area where round the corner to go out.
Manager denied camera working, disconnected it from the computer but after a search warrant police forensic able to view the video and manager was arrested at his home. After arrest manager released without bail.
Doorman. Bail set at $250 k.
Police report says interior camera showed the assault / murder. If inside hard to believe no one else saw it. Big entry area but money collector gal at least if in area where round the corner to go out.
Manager denied camera working, disconnected it from the computer but after a search warrant police forensic able to view the video and manager was arrested at his home. After arrest manager released without bail.
Doorman. Bail set at $250 k.They usually have a bouncer collecting money at the door, not a doorgirl. It may have even been Brandon on that night, I don't recall, but he has done that before. I would hope that manager gets fired pronto.
They usually have a bouncer collecting money at the door, not a doorgirl. It may have even been Brandon on that night, I don't recall, but he has done that before. I would hope that manager gets fired pronto.The manager in his release was allowed to return to work at the club but not talk to anyone about the incident.
Brandon may not be able to get out since held on $250,000 bail.
It has been awhile since I have been there, but it used to be the gal in the window left of the door as entered that collected door fee. I had never had the doorman / bouncer take money, but of course, that may have changed as you reported.
Am also confused as the arrest booking is at precincts Moon Valley I believe for one and forget the other. Mug shots are up on Joe's site. So must have would up at 4th Ave jail (bouncer). But the case numbers are municipal. However, murder should be a state felony. I notice this since I hope to follow the cases which should wind up at Superior Court at least for the murder felony. I believe managers hindering prosecution and tampering with evidence are also felonies so will be in Superior Court and can monitor case. Always interesting to know defense excuses and if take plea a lot of detail will be in the presentencing report.
Sounds like a case of roid rage. I wonder what set him off. Probably not much.Hmm. I've been going to Centerfolds since early last year. Brandon and Tim always was cool. I don't know what happened, but it just seems odd he would just out of the blue just go after this dude. Shit this sucks for the guy that died and Brandon.
Edit: Holy shit. I've seen the guy that died a few times at Centerfolds also. Wow. Tragic event.
CubsFan2016
01-25-17, 21:48
Does anyone know if Ebony is still at BML? What are her hours? Feel free to PM. Thanks.
Also is Hi-Liter worth going to during the afternoon anymore? If not, any suggestions for weekday afternoon? Thanks.
Gentlemen,
Dave, Higgs and I went to Centerfolds last year on a Sat. Night late. It was OK, but now with the new happenings there, I will probably not be back. To me, safety is the number 1 priority when going out clubbing. I always feel safe at my favorite club, Bourbon, and at Hi-Liter as well. Also our latest excursion to Scores felt safe, as did my stop at Bones (no need to go back). Some clubs may feel safer during the day, but to me, feeling safe and comfortable is part of the strip club experience, along with the inside atmosphere, and selection of dancers. Different clubs have different clientele, even though they all purport to be "gentlemen clubs". Since I do not monger in message parlors, backpage, craigslist, and the street walker scene, maybe I'm just a "fraidy cat". But that's OK, we all have our comfort zones. Mine is the higher end escorts, and a sugar baby of three years, but still always looking.
Dick North
01-26-17, 19:27
Does anyone know if Ebony is still at BML? What are her hours? Feel free to PM. Thanks.
Also is Hi-Liter worth going to during the afternoon anymore? If not, any suggestions for weekday afternoon? Thanks.If you are asking about the Blue Moon, I was told recently that she is no longer there.
Too bad, great dancer.
DN.
CubsFan2016
01-26-17, 21:46
If you are asking about the Blue Moon, I was told recently that she is no longer there.
Too bad, great dancer.
DN.Thanks. Too bad. Any other clubs have Asian / middle eastern dancers during day shift?
And in current times- which clubs do people seem to prefer more in terms of value for money + good looks during day shift other than bourbon? Thanks.
Dave, Higgs and I went to Centerfolds last year on a Sat. Night late. It was OK, but now with the new happenings there, I will probably not be back. To me, safety is the number 1 priority when going out clubbing. I always feel safe at my favorite club, Bourbon, and at Hi-Liter as well. Also our latest excursion to Scores felt safe, as did my stop at Bones (no need to go back)I gave up on Centerfolds since had become so hard to be approached for dances. Over the years I did have some good times there. I would not consider Centerfolds any more dangerous than the clubs BigTim mentioned. Every club can have a bad customer or isolated incident. We don't know what caused the attack at Centerfolds by the bouncer. There are other popular clubs in more crime-ridden areas and rougher clientele. I never thought of any danger at Centerfolds.
Thanks. Too bad. Any other clubs have Asian / middle eastern dancers during day shift?There are usually several Asians on the day shift at Hi-Liter.
I gave up on Centerfolds since had become so hard to be approached for dances. Over the years I did have some good times there. I would not consider Centerfolds any more dangerous than the clubs BigTim mentioned. Every club can have a bad customer or isolated incident. We don't know what caused the attack at Centerfolds by the bouncer. There are other popular clubs in more crime-ridden areas and rougher clientele. I never thought of any danger at Centerfolds.I'm with Dave, I've been to Centerfolds dozens of times, I've never had any issues with anyone there.
I've been to Centerfolds many times. My buddy & I are low key kind of guys, the server always remembers us because we are polite and she delivers our drinks without asking. We both have a regular that always comes by when they are there but I will say that some time we sit there and never get approached when girls are sitting at the bar doing nothing. There are some that I find unattractive (or just fat and ugly) that I'm glad don't bother me. The only thing I don't like is the $20 cover for VIP. BS is nice from that perspective. No cover for VIP. However at BS the girls seem to come off stage and head for the back room. Seldom do I get approached for a dance, I have to go to the stage with a tip and ask them to stop over.
Dick North
01-27-17, 18:23
Visited early today and saw my Thai friend from Bandaids. Formerly Jesse now YaYa (M-F) at Hi Liter.
Got the tour of VIP and must admit it's a pretty nice setup.
YaYa said that a number of other Bandaids dancers have made the move.
They like the area, clientele and $$$ much better.
DN.
Yep pictures and story in the media. Bouncer (Brandon) pounded the victim outside and the manager (Timothy) tried to cover it up by saying surveillance cam wasn't working. He then tried to remove it but the murder was captured on and the manager trying to disconnect the camera
Pictures on 12 News etc. Bouncer / Doorman huge MMA wrestling guy with lots of tats. Both have been booked, one for murder and the other for tampering with evidence (video cam in parking lot).Link below to new story -- and video of the arraignment.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-breaking/2017/01/24/arrest-made-daisy-mountain-firefighters-murder/96990644/
Heel Lover
01-29-17, 15:28
If you are asking about the Blue Moon, I was told recently that she is no longer there.
Too bad, great dancer.
DN.She really was a true beauty imo and a sweetheart. I was there end of November and she said she had applied or at least checked in with another club at the time. Can't remember if she said hiliter (December was a super busy month and my memory isn't up to par since I was so busy and this was a while ago). She didn't act like she was leaving anytime soon; so I thought she was just casually mentioning it as we talked about other clubs (although I've never been to hiliter we were talking about other clubs that afternoon as well).
She was a couple of firsts for me at the bm. She was the first dancer I ever saw on stage (great first impression of the club definitely), first I did a set of songs with and first I really talked with just in general about life. That day It was busy and the booths in the back were all taken for awhile so we just talked and laughed about things. She was also cool and told me who her friends there were (pretty much all of them) and even introduced me to Lilly back "in the day".
If anyone sees her or hears about Ebony working at a different club, please post it. I'd probably go check it out as long as it wasn't one of the previous four clubs I mentioned to stay away from at all costs.
Dick North
01-29-17, 20:47
She really was a true beauty imo and a sweetheart. I was there end of November and she said she had applied or at least checked in with another club at the time. Can't remember if she said hiliter (December was a super busy month and my memory isn't up to par since I was so busy and this was a while ago). She didn't act like she was leaving anytime soon; so I thought she was just casually mentioning it as we talked about other clubs (although I've never been to hiliter we were talking about other clubs that afternoon as well).
She was a couple of firsts for me at the bm. She was the first dancer I ever saw on stage (great first impression of the club definitely), first I did a set of songs with and first I really talked with just in general about life. That day It was busy and the booths in the back were all taken for awhile so we just talked and laughed about things. She was also cool and told me who her friends there were (pretty much all of them) and even introduced me to Lilly back "in the day".
If anyone sees her or hears about Ebony working at a different club, please post it. I'd probably go check it out as long as it wasn't one of the previous four clubs I mentioned to stay away from at all costs.I would agree that she was a jaw-dropping exceptional dancer and yes, a sweetheart and a very 'friendly' dancer to boot. I would recommend asking the other dancers if they know where she moved to. Unique is another AA dancer who knew her and might have some info. I will keep a look out for her for sure, but won't expect her to be dancing as 'Ebony'. A new dancer 'Ginger' a munchkin from Massachusetts works there now and is worth a visit IMHO.
DN.
Dick North
01-31-17, 19:09
Finally met her after many years and had a great time. Very sweet lady.
Sugar44 M & F + a few other clubs.
DN.
I'm hearing rumors that Centerfolds had their liquor license suspended. Can anyone confirm?
I'm hearing rumors that Centerfolds had their liquor license suspended. Can anyone confirm?http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/firefighters-death-at-centerfolds-cabaret-prompts-suspension-of-liquor-license
GREAT ALASKAN Bush COMPANY on12/27/2016 applied for an ownership transfer of liquor license. Temp now expires 4/17/2017.
I believe Damian had owned for years and was the organizer of a club owners association with the new restrictions in 1999. I represented Stevi Secrets (Now T&A) at the assn meetings before "mother hen" died. Was very impressed with Damian.
Pink Bunny empire hopping around clubs in Phoenix?
Hop To: Pending License requests:
PLUSH GENTLEMEN'S CLUB 1702 E McDowell.
Agent is the same as others for Pink Bunny.
This location has had many names Taboo, Divas, The Recovery Room Showclub, Friction Cabaret, Bada Bing Gentleman's Club, Kitty Club back in 1999, then JJS All Male Revue, Alpha Boys Cabaret. In 2015 owned by ARIZONA MONKEY HUSTLE LLC.
Plush has a website http://www.plushclubphx.com/ with this address, which says grand opening in January but probably waiting for liquor license approval.
Down Memory Lane.
I have fond memories of 1702 E McDowell from the 90's when it was managed by "Greg" as "Show Club". I still have scads of great dance reviews from 1994. Yes 1994. The owner was a "wicked women" who also owned the old Romper Room on the West side. Forget its latest name. Dancers really liked Greg but not the owner when she visited. In 1999 court case and fight over ownership of the land and club when her husband died. She lost trying to get the club and land from the estate after appeal. Greg then and still is the owner of Eve's Tease. He also owned for a long time the nearby club on Grand which I have fond memories of. Now its T&A II.
Of course T&A South used to be Stevi Secrets who I represented at the strip club owners association in 1999-2000 era after beloved "mother hen" died. She was Stevi's mother who mostly ran the club although Stevi had a home in the back when she wasn't in LV. We also had some private list parties at her club. She was a porn star and brought in lots of porn stars and dancers from all over the USA To the club and hosted various industry parties at the club.
Hop From Nearby:
New Liquor Licenses Approved over the objection of City 1/12/2017:
T&A Cabaret III - 2438 E McDowell.
Change of ownership granted to 2438 LLC from Graceland Entertainment / Pink Bunny.
Who is the Pink Bunny?
Pink Bunny filed this trade name in Arizona 2/16/2016 with a Mesa address with phone that is the same as Paris of Scottsdale nightclub.
The address is a home owned by a trust with trustee a infamous club owner Brent C. And wife.
In 9/27/2016 AZ Central reports Pink Bunny's city license was denied by Phoenix because of Brent C's prior associations including Pink Rhino Cabaret and Luxx and Paris of Scottsdale former owner Carlos A. Who operated an illegal enterprise, money laundering and trafficking in stolen property at the Pink Rhino.
"Additionally, Mr. Cxxx is the owner of the Paris and is ultimately responsible for what happens in his bar, adding that Cxxxxx hired a former manager at the Pink Rhino as the manager at the Paris. ".
"Cxxxxx stated his innocence of any crimes or wrongdoing at previous businesses. He stated all evidence brought against him was innuendo and association, not about how he has conducted business. 'I think it was valuable to hear from both sides,' Vice Mayor Kate Gxxx said before the vote. 'I think it's important that the council got to hear both sides on this issue. '" (Liquor and city licensed denied).
Background from 2015:
According to court documents, Pink Rhino Cabaret Manager xxxx and club owner Axxxxx buy illegal drugs, stolen liquor and cigarettes, paying wholesale prices on several occasions from some guys. What they didn't know then was that these were undercover detectives, who told them the items were stolen, but bought them anyway. Gxxx also allegedly offers the detectives a business in which they could launder the money. (Also accused of taking used liquor bottles, refilling them with stolen liquor and recapping / sealing them).
Police say since 2011, the cops have been called out 400 times to the vicinity between Downtown and East Phoenix because of complaints. Paris of Scottsdale is also being investigated.
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Hop To:
Nifty 50's night Club closed as bar and dance club but license transferred to Graceland Entertainment / Pink Bunny's over the cities objections. Old club was on W Camelback in Glendale. Maybe will open as a strip club?
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Non Bunny's pending change of license owners:
XTC 5400 N 59TH AVE interim license expires 3/15/2017
Minks Cabaret (3790 Grand) interim expires 2/28/2016
I had not been to Bandaids in at lest 30 years but based on discussions here and the mention of a Cuban dancer that I met at Centerfolds I decided to give it a try. The inside of the club had changed a lot but still pretty low end. The minute I walked in I was snagged by the Cuban I hoped for. I told her I needed a beer and to come back and see me, unfortunately I never saw her again. There are plenty of dancers, mostly Latina not what I consider Hot (But I am very selective) with poor English. I finally accepted a floor dance from Veronica. After one dance I decided to let her go, unfortunately I only had a 20 and she did not understand "I want change". Finally a sweet young thing named Angie stopped by and in good English explained the pricing. We went to VIP and I had an exceptional time.
Thanks for the referral. Next time I will go in with $10's.
I'm hearing rumors that Centerfolds had their liquor license suspended. Can anyone confirm?I was in there on Monday and had some beers. Unfortunately the girls seemed to be glued to the bar stools.
Dick North
02-01-17, 20:41
Ok, had the urge to check this place out as I haven't been in several years.
As I have been frequenting SCs too often, I was hoping that it would turn out to be a bust experience.
But no, I noticed this dancer way back in the corner with a huge curly hairdo (a killer for me) and so I visited with her.
She would be 'Jazz' a very petite black girl with gorgeous body and small perfect titties.
I can't take it anymore.
Anyone know of a procedure for correcting advanced 'mongeritis'.
Electric shock therapy? . Anything?.
DN.
Heel Lover
02-01-17, 20:56
Sorry for kind of a lame question and I know it's been brought up before. But from reading the posts, I get that bandaids always scans ids. But what about hiliter? I would like to check it out sometime. I have nothing to worry about in terms of being in "trouble" before, but just don't know how comfortable I'd feel getting my I'd scanned. I prefer my I'd just to be checked (I'm decades older than 21 so it's not like it's fake anyway) like at regular bars or bourbon street, etc. Just wondering what other's experiences (with the ids / entrance) have been at hiliter. Thanks.
I'm hearing rumors that Centerfolds had their liquor license suspended. Can anyone confirm?They did indeed lose there liquor license. They are scheduled to have a hearing to see if they get it back.
I wonder if their SOB (Sexually Oriented Business) license will be eventually revoked now? Is there any precedence for doing this? Dave, do you know if that is possible?
Heel Lover
02-01-17, 21:12
Ok, had the urge to check this place out as I haven't been in several years.
As I have been frequenting SCs too often, I was hoping that it would turn out to be a bust experience.
But no, I noticed this dancer way back in the corner with a huge curly hairdo (a killer for me) and so I visited with her.
She would be 'Jazz' a very petite black girl with gorgeous body and small perfect titties.
I can't take it anymore.
Anyone know of a procedure for correcting advanced 'mongeritis'.
Electric shock therapy? . Anything?.
DN.Awesome post. There is no cure. Strip clubs are just too fun! I remember being broke as could be like 20 years ago and driving all the way from the east valley to the "rumper room" (I knew even back in the day dream palace was a rip off and le girls was super expensive to even get in).
I literally couldn't afford the private dances (even the room fee / basic entrance) but had fun gradually tipping throughout the night. I guess this taught me to budget money so well! Even had enough for some gasoline on the way home.
Ahh life's lessons are wonderful. And now I am a self made "hundredaire" ha. I love progress!
Sorry for kind of a lame question and I know it's been brought up before. But from reading the posts, I get that bandaids always scans ids. But what about hiliter? I would like to check it out sometime. I have nothing to worry about in terms of being in "trouble" before, but just don't know how comfortable I'd feel getting my I'd scanned. I prefer my I'd just to be checked (I'm decades older than 21 so it's not like it's fake anyway) like at regular bars or bourbon street, etc. Just wondering what other's experiences (with the ids / entrance) have been at hiliter. Thanks.I haven't been to HL at night in years so I can't speak about that, but I've been going regularly during the days for years and have never had my I'd scanned.
I wonder if their SOB (Sexually Oriented Business) license will be eventually revoked now? Is there any precedence for doing this? Dave, do you know if that is possible?Good question. I don't know anything about the background of the owner but if they can argue new very confident manager etc. , may get liquor license back and SOB I am guessing is less strict. A lot may depend on the circumstance. Why was the bouncer attacking the man in the sling? If both he and manager are fired, and the owner isn't a borderline bad guy with other problems or owning other clubs they have a chance in my view to come back. I know nothing about the owner.
"rumper room" (I knew even back in the day dream palace was a rip off and le girls was super expensive to even get in).
Yep, owned by the "witch". Show club on E Mcdowell much better. And in those days Blue Moon was really great I had many dancer friends there and not nearly the almost brothel it is now. Other than the mean manager / owner Ralph that since died. This was like early 90's.
I would not consider Centerfolds any more dangerous than the clubs BigTim mentioned. Every club can have a bad customer or isolated incident. We don't know what caused the attack at Centerfolds by the bouncer. There are other popular clubs in more crime-ridden areas and rougher clientele. I never thought of any danger at Centerfolds.The difference in this case was that it was not a psychopathic customer that did the killing, it was an employee of the establishment along with the manager trying to cover up. It is one thing for a crazy sociopath to kill like happenned at GAB a few years ago but it is another thing for the staff of the establishment to kill.
Yep, owned by the "witch". Show club on E Mcdowell much better. And in those days Blue Moon was really great I had many dancer friends there and not nearly the almost brothel it is now. Other than the mean manager / owner Ralph that since died. This was like early 90's.The Rumper Room, The Blue Moon and the adult bookstore on 40th St. And Washington (I can not remember its name) were all started by three brothers in the same family. 2 of the three have died. The one that is left now owns the property that the Blue Moon sits on (the original owner is deceased) but he has sold the business to its current owner, he basically collects rent for his property. He is an older, retired guy. The current owner of the Blue Moon actually purchased the business with an option to buy the property later but so far has not decided to buy it. Who knows if they will. I kind of think that they probably will not buy it as that area of town seems to be going down. Notice how on both sides of the Blue Moon there are vacant lots for sale. The lot on the west side has property tax liens on it for the past 4 years. There are several other properties in the area that are vacant. I think that area is sort of dying so probably the owner knows this and he does not want the land as it will be worth almost nothing. The current owner of the Blue Moon owns a couple of other clubs plus he has several car washes and restaurants in Phoenix and he also owns a legalized medical marijuana dispensary so probably the Blue Moon is not his most profitable venture.
The Rumper Room, The Blue Moon and the adult bookstore on 40th St. And Washington (I can not remember its name) were all started by three brothers in the same family. 2 of the three have died. .Interesting history. I knew about the 3 brothers at Blue Moon. Ralph was the loud mouth swearing manager and owner for a long time at the Blue Moon who I think was the brother that died first before 2000. From my 2000 reviews Robert I believe was the next brother who ran it.
In a 1998 review, I mention dancers complaining about owner Ralph a lot including: "She and others who talked to me complained a bit about Ralph and I can see why. He was sitting near the dressing room door and is definitely a loud, crude and obnoxious person. I would think just having to listen to him would annoy customers and be bad for business. ".
Jean may have owned Rumper Room before the brothers. I was friendly with many dancers and later Greg who often talked about Jean both related to Show Club at 1702 E McDowell and Rumper Room as she would visit Show Club but was mostly at Rumper Room as I recall.
Down memory lane aka "The good old days".
From my notes still on my website from 1998:
Under Kitty's Club 1702 E McDowell Rating D-.
New owner 11/1/1996 Use to be Show Club with many friendly dancers. Jean took over; the wife of the original owner that died. Most of the dancers I had recommended don't like her and left. She also owns Rumper Room.
At some point Greg took over as manager who most dancers loved and I got to know. Then he owned Eve's Tease and Body Shop which I loved for years. He was going to redo Body Shop but then sold it a few years ago and it has had various owners since then. I believe he still runs Eve's. Its been about 3 years since I've been there. He still remembered me from years ago at Show Club etc. Like me he has gotten older looking over the years.
In about October 1997 Dept of Labor forced to pay back wages to dancers. So, Joan (think meant Jean) increased drink price etc.
I assume "Jean" is Jeanne O. In the lawsuit and her Court of Appeals case dated June 19,1990 (O. Vs. O.) over her interest in 1702 E McDowell from divorced husband John (divorced in 1978 and died in August 1987). Court ruled: Because we find that the statute of limitations relied upon by the trial court does not apply to an action for partition of real property and laches does not bar Jeanne's appeal, we reverse and remand for further proceedings.
In my Private List from 2002 I note I received an e-mail from the new owner of Kitty's / Rumper room inviting me to see his redoing the clubs. But I don't recall this and then just reviewed the clubs and thought the redoing was great. Hardly recognized from before. I have no memory of who "he" was and didn't seem to connect him with Blue Moon brothers.
On 3/9/2000 Review of Passon at Eves Tease, tells me Jean is no longer running Rumper Room.
I did a review of most of the clubs based on my extensive experiences pre-1999 law change at.
http://www.sexwork.com/dancers/phxnudeclubs.html
Scanning old reviews reminds me of Trek at Blue Moon a favorite and the tall African American gal who was married I drove home a few times after closing.
I had zillions of really good dancer experiences in those days and was very popular for my touch, even though I never tipped! The hostess at Body Shop who was upset I had so many dancers yet never tipped. One night she had a weighed list of dancers to be with me. She almost attacked me wanting a dance since had to know why I was so popular. Then she became by best supporter. Once literally tossed a new dancer into my lap saying you have to have a dance with him even though doesn't tip. As I often say, not trying to be Trump like and brag or God's gift to women, but the benefits of learning good touch / masage skills. None of it sexual.
Interesting history. I knew about the 3 brothers at Blue Moon. Ralph was the loud mouth swearing manager and owner for a long time at the Blue Moon who I think was the brother that died first before 2000. From my 2000 reviews Robert I believe was the next brother who ran it.
In a 1998 review, I mention dancers complaining about owner Ralph a lot including: "She and others who talked to me complained a bit about Ralph and I can see why. He was sitting near the dressing room door and is definitely a loud, crude and obnoxious person. I would think just having to listen to him would annoy customers and be bad for business. ".
Jean may have owned Rumper Room before the brothers. I was friendly with many dancers and later Greg who often talked about Jean both related to Show Club at 1702 E McDowell and Rumper Room as she would visit Show Club but was mostly at Rumper Room as I recall.
Down memory lane aka "The good old days".
From my notes still on my website from 1998:
Under Kitty's Club 1702 E McDowell Rating D-.
New owner 11/1/1996 Use to be Show Club with many friendly dancers. Jean took over; the wife of the original owner that died. Most of the dancers I had recommended don't like her and left. She also owns Rumper Room.
At some point Greg took over as manager who most dancers loved and I got to know. Then he owned Eve's Tease and Body Shop which I loved for years. He was going to redo Body Shop but then sold it a few years ago and it has had various owners since then. I believe he still runs Eve's. Its been about 3 years since I've been there. He still remembered me from years ago at Show Club etc. Like me he has gotten older looking over the years.
In about October 1997 Dept of Labor forced to pay back wages to dancers. So, Joan (think meant Jean) increased drink price etc.
I assume "Jean" is Jeanne O. In the lawsuit and her Court of Appeals case dated June 19,1990 (O. Vs. O.) over her interest in 1702 E McDowell from divorced husband John (divorced in 1978 and died in August 1987). Court ruled: Because we find that the statute of limitations relied upon by the trial court does not apply to an action for partition of real property and laches does not bar Jeanne's appeal, we reverse and remand for further proceedings.
In my Private List from 2002 I note I received an e-mail from the new owner of Kitty's / Rumper room inviting me to see his redoing the clubs. But I don't recall this and then just reviewed the clubs and thought the redoing was great. Hardly recognized from before. I have no memory of who "he" was and didn't seem to connect him with Blue Moon brothers.
On 3/9/2000 Review of Passon at Eves Tease, tells me Jean is no longer running Rumper Room.
I did a review of most of the clubs based on my extensive experiences pre-1999 law change at.
http://www.sexwork.com/dancers/phxnudeclubs.html
Scanning old reviews reminds me of Trek at Blue Moon a favorite and the tall African American gal who was married I drove home a few times after closing.
I had zillions of really good dancer experiences in those days and was very popular for my touch, even though I never tipped! The hostess at Body Shop who was upset I had so many dancers yet never tipped. One night she had a weighed list of dancers to be with me. She almost attacked me wanting a dance since had to know why I was so popular. Then she became by best supporter. Once literally tossed a new dancer into my lap saying you have to have a dance with him even though doesn't tip. As I often say, not trying to be Trump like and brag or God's gift to women, but the benefits of learning good touch / masage skills. None of it sexual.Actually, Jeanne O is Ronald O's wife (Ronald O is the current living brother that owns the land that the Blue Moon sits on, I do not think it would be nice to use their full name). Jeanne O is now the manager of SOPOJO Enterprises which owns the land that the old Rumper Room (now Lavish Gentleman's Club) sits on. Lavish rents it from SOPOJO. SOPOJO is a land managment company that owns several different properties that they manage. Interesting Fact: Ronald O and Jeanne O had a daughter named Kitty O. The old Kitty's club that you talked about was named after her.
I noticed that some of you have asked about Lilly who used to work at the Blue Moon. I stopped in to get a dance from Maya, and while we were visiting I asked her if she know where Lilly was now. She and Lilly are friends You can find Lilly on BackPage in the woman looking for men section. She is currently working as an escort. When you go there do a search for her. She really is a nice lady. When she was working at Blue Moon I lost my wallet during a dance. Lilly found it and turned it in, with all my money intact. She is an honest provider. Lilly is found. AND, Maya is as wonderful as always.
Urdoinit Rong
02-04-17, 02:02
After reading this thread I decided to start my visit to your fair city at Bandaids. Having never been to Phoenix before, and only in town for a few hours, I found my self with a cute blonde on my lap talking shop about Centerfolds like a local. According to my new blonde friend, none of the other clubs want to hire anyone from Centerfolds. That's how she ended up being the cute white girl in a tiny latina / black stripclub.
VIP was right behind the tiny main stage, and my dancer went all the way to the last stall. That was a good sign. Got a nice wet SS but she didn't want to go any further because she didn't want to risk getting fired on her first day.
Bounced out. Then I went to Hi Liter. That's a totally different club. Bolt-ons everywhere. I'm not really into big bolt-ons, but they were just so HUGE. I ended up in the VIP with a face full of double Ds and got a relatively high mileage dance from an older Chilean dancer.
Heel Lover
02-04-17, 14:18
I haven't been to HL at night in years so I can't speak about that, but I've been going regularly during the days for years and have never had my I'd scanned.Thanks for the reply. I would go during the day. May even go (end of) next month hopefully. Still a ways away, but don't think I can make it down there any sooner.
Heel Lover
02-04-17, 14:44
I noticed that some of you have asked about Lilly who used to work at the Blue Moon. I stopped in to get a dance from Maya, and while we were visiting I asked her if she know where Lilly was now. She and Lilly are friends You can find Lilly on BackPage in the woman looking for men section. She is currently working as an escort. When you go there do a search for her. She really is a nice lady. When she was working at Blue Moon I lost my wallet during a dance. Lilly found it and turned it in, with all my money intact. She is an honest provider. Lilly is found. AND, Maya is as wonderful as always.I am married and have kind of a different relationship which is good for me / works for me so I don't really push boundaries overboard (my wife knows that I go to strip clubs a lot and doesn't really care what happens there. Sometimes she likes going with me to some, but would never be ok with me calling a woman from backpage). Anyway lilly was an incredible woman, so nice and pretty (different kind of look than the "usual".) She is highly recommended from me as well.
She of course is no longer at the bm, but what a delight she was!
If lilly was still there, I would probably make time to go often, but as it is; I hope to go back and see maya and get a set of dances with her at least once. I saw her last time as I was about to leave and she was so nice! I was pretty low on money at that time so just had enough to tip on stage (I did dances with ebony that day) and I don't really use the atm at any clubs. But she was so nice I'd go back just to see her! I also really like clover and dulce. I think they've both been there each time I've been there (maybe four or five times). I might have to bring more money next time "just in case" LOL.
Heel Lover
02-04-17, 15:22
Not from posting and certainly not from going to SCs, but pretty much done with the flame after all these years. Too much drama -djs and several dancers and one jerk doorman / bouncer-the bartenders were always awesome I will say, too much rap (and even country at times which I really can't stand), and my favorite dancer leaving (won't mention her name she no longer dances anyway).
I did like being recognized when I walked in and did like that they knew who my favorite was (again no longer there). I always said it would take a lot to move on and venture forward or whatever. But a lot did happen. If Akira or emma are still there, they are still recommended (nice and pretty); but I just can't / couldn't deal with the extreme drama anymore.
Haven't been back since early September and must say I don't miss it. Have had fun venturing on to other clubs with less (overall) drama and better music. I think my car is a bit freaked out though. It was used to going to the flame at least twice a month usually more ha.
It was a great maybe seven or so years (other than say June to Sept 2016 haha); but all things eventually end or change. Maybe I just will give myself a self imposed one year suspension from here, but for now just feel like my self imposed absence will be forever. "Breaking up is hard to do" "moving on, moving forward"whatever haha.
Hi all,
I haven't been to the valley in a couple of years an thought I'd check in to see how much things have changed. My personal cup of tea is Latina women and hence one of the reasons why I love Arizona SC's so much. The places I used to frequent that had a high concentration of latina dancers was Christies on Baseline, Christies downtown and Jaguars. For day time action I had some luck at Hi Liter.
Is this still the case? Of have things changed in the past couple of years?
Appreciate any feedback you all can provide.
Heel Lover
02-05-17, 18:41
Hi all,
I haven't been to the valley in a couple of years an thought I'd check in to see how much things have changed. My personal cup of tea is Latina women and hence one of the reasons why I love Arizona SC's so much. The places I used to frequent that had a high concentration of latina dancers was Christies on Baseline, Christies downtown and Jaguars. For day time action I had some luck at Hi Liter.
Is this still the case? Of have things changed in the past couple of years?
Appreciate any feedback you all can provide.I've heard Christie's downtown is closed. Have heard bad things about jaguars (night / unsafe? Believe bandaids has a lot of Latinas (will get your I'd scanned), and I heard t and a on central has plenty of latiNas (just heard this from some random guy at a different club recently and he was drunk haha, I've never been there and know nothing about it. I do know he said they Had mostly latinas though because that's pretty much the only thing I heard him sAy about other than the club name).
From ones you mentioned, Try hi liter (again from what I've heard). A lot of it (at any club) is just random and will vary day to day; especially clubs that are bigger (with no set schedules) and a huge variety of dancers.
And Don't get lured into any scottsdale (skin or bones) clubs with their fancy advertising bullshit or even consider (even if right in the area) going to awful dream palace or elite. These 4 are close enough to phoenix that they survive on tourists and fancy advertising and are bad enough to mention when I can around az peak times.
Heel Lover is correct, Christies Phoenix is closed. Centerfolds is also closed (at least for the time being, until they get their liquor license back). I heard Bones has changed ownership and they will be remodeling, but keeping the name, it will supposedly have more of a urban feel to it with lots of rap & hip hop. Sonny's changed ownership awhile back too, they went the opposite way though in an attempt to change the client base they were attracting, I noticed a lot fewer black dancers and customers on my last visit there.
Centerfolds is also closed (at least for the time being, until they get their liquor license back). I doubt if Centerfolds is able to get its license back. When an employee kills a customer and a manager tries to cover up it does not sit well with the liquor board. Especially since the manager had a criminal background. The liquor board is going to question why the owner is hiring people with criminal backgrounds as the owner was fully aware. What will probably happen is that they will sell the place to someone else and it will be reopenned under new ownership and manag3 ment with a new name.
Thanks for your response. I wasn't aware Christies downtown closed. Will check the one on baseline out. I've personally had no issues with Jaguars. Is bandaids a bigger club like these two?
I've heard Christie's downtown is closed. Have heard bad things about jaguars (night / unsafe? Believe bandaids has a lot of Latinas (will get your I'd scanned), and I heard t and a on central has plenty of latiNas (just heard this from some random guy at a different club recently and he was drunk haha, I've never been there and know nothing about it. I do know he said they Had mostly latinas though because that's pretty much the only thing I heard him sAy about other than the club name).
From ones you mentioned, Try hi liter (again from what I've heard). A lot of it (at any club) is just random and will vary day to day; especially clubs that are bigger (with no set schedules) and a huge variety of dancers.
And Don't get lured into any scottsdale (skin or bones) clubs with their fancy advertising bullshit or even consider (even if right in the area) going to awful dream palace or elite. These 4 are close enough to phoenix that they survive on tourists and fancy advertising and are bad enough to mention when I can around az peak times.
I doubt if Centerfolds is able to get its license back. When an employee kills a customer and a manager tries to cover up it does not sit well with the liquor board. Especially since the manager had a criminal background. The liquor board is going to question why the owner is hiring people with criminal backgrounds as the owner was fully aware. What will probably happen is that they will sell the place to someone else and it will be reopenned under new ownership and manag3 ment with a new name.You may be right, they will get a hearing though. I don't believe they have a history of problems there and I assume they would bring in a new management team. Lots of people are out of work now too and I'm guessing that's not a consequence that they want to achieve either. I'm hoping they can work something out. Maybe I'm just being naive though.
The scuttlebutt that I got from one of the dancers on what happened that night BTW, is that the customer was going from topless side to nude side and tried bringing his drink with him. The bouncer stopped him and told him he couldn't drink alcohol on the nude side, they had words at which point he was asked to leave, he refused and it got out of hand from there. That's all second hand though. Certainly not something worth killing someone over, but it started with the bouncer trying to do the right thing and it was the customer who escalated it.
Thanks for your response. I wasn't aware Christies downtown closed. Will check the one on baseline out. I've personally had no issues with Jaguars. Is bandaids a bigger club like these two?I don't recommend listening to the whole unsafe / scary at night. This is Phoenix. Not a high crime place vs other large cities. If you have common sense basically nothing will happen to you. The past two years living here there I have never experience any trouble at any club. Bandaids like a dive bar / strip club. It is not big at all. Some diamonds in the rough but more less attractive women there also. It can be fun at times.
Chicas is probably on the only club here that is a true Latina club. It is very hit or miss, but does have a few hot Latinas when it's on. Both places are having a Cuban invasion going on. I personally don't care for the Cuban dancers, but to each is own. The rest of the clubs you have mention will have a few Latinas but not many.
I just got back after a two year work relocation but am nac now was hoping someone would please pm me and tell me a good place tp get piv from. I used to frequent blue moon and was wondering if was still good there, like when baby was around.
I just got back after a two year work relocation but am nac now was hoping someone would please pm me and tell me a good place tp get piv from. I used to frequent blue moon and was wondering if was still good there, like when baby was around.Sorry to hear that you had to relocate to Arizona.
Sorry to hear that you had to relocate to Arizona.I don't know how the BM was two years ago, but I have been going for the last year and it is always fun. Don't know Baby, but there are several girls there that are lots of fun. Uni* is a pretty AA with great talent. Ma** is a blonde MILF that never fails to please. They are down on dancers at the moment. Maya told me a couple weeks ago that they are down to 4 dancers. She said they are hiring. This refers to day time only. I have never been there at night, and understand from previous posts here that it is not nearly as good at night. Hope this helps.
I don't know how the BM was two years ago, but I have been going for the last year and it is always fun. Don't know Baby, but there are several girls there that are lots of fun. Uni* is a pretty AA with great talent. Ma** is a blonde MILF that never fails to please. They are down on dancers at the moment. Maya told me a couple weeks ago that they are down to 4 dancers. She said they are hiring. This refers to day time only. I have never been there at night, and understand from previous posts here that it is not nearly as good at night. Hope this helps.Wow really? Thats not good. Aside from the two you mentioned do you know what other dancers are there? I hope Clover is still there.
IndianaJones
02-11-17, 23:25
You may be right, they will get a hearing though. I don't believe they have a history of problems there and I assume they would bring in a new management team. Lots of people are out of work now too and I'm guessing that's not a consequence that they want to achieve either. I'm hoping they can work something out. Maybe I'm just being naive though.
The scuttlebutt that I got from one of the dancers on what happened that night BTW, is that the customer was going from topless side to nude side and tried bringing his drink with him. The bouncer stopped him and told him he couldn't drink alcohol on the nude side, they had words at which point he was asked to leave, he refused and it got out of hand from there. That's all second hand though. Certainly not something worth killing someone over, but it started with the bouncer trying to do the right thing and it was the customer who escalated it.Any idea where the dancers, waitresses, and bar staff went after the closing? I'm sure they had to scramble to find other places to go to for work. An influx of that many girls, bartenders, and waitresses into other clubs may be difficult for some to find the necessary work hours needed to pay their bills. The only club that is worth mentioning that is in the same area is Bliss. Bourbon Street, Candy Store, and HiLiter are further East, however many girls may be coming from that side of the Valley so it wouldn't be out of their way. The West side girls have Xplicit to avoid a long drive.
Wow really? Thats not good. Aside from the two you mentioned do you know what other dancers are there? I hope Clover is still there.Yes. Clover is still there. I did not know or talk to the 4th dancer that was there that day. I only saw her briefly as I was leaving.
Dick North
02-13-17, 19:26
Visited today early afternoon.
Only a few customers, but 3-4 hotties. Mostly AA.
Worth a visit.
Will return.
DN.
Heel Lover
02-16-17, 20:11
Yes. Clover is still there. I did not know or talk to the 4th dancer that was there that day. I only saw her briefly as I was leaving.Hopefully dulce is the 4th (or they have more day girls by now). I have heard unique is excellent Maya clover dulce and unique would be a great 4.
Heel Lover
02-16-17, 20:15
Any idea where the dancers, waitresses, and bar staff went after the closing? I'm sure they had to scramble to find other places to go to for work. An influx of that many girls, bartenders, and waitresses into other clubs may be difficult for some to find the necessary work hours needed to pay their bills. The only club that is worth mentioning that is in the same area is Bliss. Bourbon Street, Candy Store, and HiLiter are further East, however many girls may be coming from that side of the Valley so it wouldn't be out of their way. The West side girls have Xplicit to avoid a long drive.Sugar 44 has centerfolds dancer China. She is very pretty (don't know if that was her name at centerfolds as she was busy most of the night and I only saw her on stage). They also (from what I heard at the club) have another dancer named jenny, but I didn't see her.
Dick North
02-17-17, 16:48
Sugar 44 has centerfolds dancer China. She is very pretty (don't know if that was her name at centerfolds as she was busy most of the night and I only saw her on stage). They also (from what I heard at the club) have another dancer named jenny, but I didn't see her.I can confirm that the original 'China' from Christies 32nd and Centerfolds is now at Sugar44 under a new name as there apparently is already a 'China' at Sugar44.
'Jenny' though makes me wonder if its the same girl that was at Centerfolds. A skinny short-haired blonde who wore dental floss g-strings and was a VIP hottie.
Got to check that one out.
DN.
Heel Lover
02-17-17, 19:31
I can confirm that the original 'China' from Christies 32nd and Centerfolds is now at Sugar44 under a new name as there apparently is already a 'China' at Sugar44.
'Jenny' though makes me wonder if its the same girl that was at Centerfolds. A skinny short-haired blonde who wore dental floss g-strings and was a VIP hottie.
Got to check that one out.
DN.Do you happen to know what centerfolds China new name is (at sugar 44)? I was there last weekend (at night) and it was a really fun time. I was with my wife and we both liked how it was laid back and they had quite the variety of dancers.
We plan on going tomorrow but more in the afternoon (I know it won't have as many dancers and I'm ok with that).
Oh yeah and I did talk to a few dancers about mustang (both times we went). They all had good things to say about her and the dancers seemed pretty cool as we talked about other clubs (including centerfolds, Christies tempe, desert flame and Christie's phoenix being closed-that's where I originally saw Mustang 5 or so years ago).
Heel Lover
02-17-17, 19:37
Do you happen to know what centerfolds China new name is (at sugar 44)? I was there last weekend (at night) and it was a really fun time. I was with my wife and we both liked how it was laid back and they had quite the variety of dancers.
We plan on going tomorrow but more in the afternoon (I know it won't have as many dancers and I'm ok with that).
Oh yeah and I did talk to a few dancers about mustang (both times we went). They all had good things to say about her and the dancers seemed pretty cool as we talked about other clubs (including centerfolds, Christies tempe, desert flame and Christie's phoenix being closed-that's where I originally saw Mustang 5 or so years ago).Sorry for the confusion. A lot was going on and I heard that the club did get China and jenny from centerfolds. Then I saw "China" on stage so I was thinking that was the same one. I did like her a lot, but never got a chance to talk to her. There were a lot of dancers (this was probably around 11 or midnight at the time) and eye candy I was trying to keep track of, while still talking to a few dancers haha.
Dick North
02-17-17, 19:44
Sorry for the confusion. A lot was going on and I heard that the club did get China and jenny from centerfolds. Then I saw "China" on stage so I was thinking that was the same one. I did like her a lot, but never got a chance to talk to her. There were a lot of dancers (this was probably around 11 or midnight at the time) and eye candy I was trying to keep track of, while still talking to a few dancers haha.Hey.
Its really hard to keep track of these ladies, but the China from Centerfolds worked mostly day shifts as she said she does now at Sugar44. Same schedule with Jenny.
But then, that's only from my experiences from seeing them early afternoon at Centerfolds. Who knows what schedules they really work. I was told that the other 'China' at Sugar44 works evenings.
These girls will work as they need the dough.
Good luck & have fun.
DN.
Heel Lover
02-18-17, 23:48
I can confirm that the original 'China' from Christies 32nd and Centerfolds is now at Sugar44 under a new name as there apparently is already a 'China' at Sugar44.
'Jenny' though makes me wonder if its the same girl that was at Centerfolds. A skinny short-haired blonde who wore dental floss g-strings and was a VIP hottie.
Got to check that one out.
DN.Your physical description of Jenny fits perfectly from the Jenny I saw there today. She came in around 5 o'clock I believe.
Your physical description of Jenny fits perfectly from the Jenny I saw there today. She came in around 5 o'clock I believe.I stopped by Sugar44 yesterday about 5. I did see (just talk) Jenny from Centerfolds. (I don't know what name she is using) She said that China is working there but was not there that day. I was only there for a short visit and to check out the club. I had not been there since shortly after the fire and rebuild. I had one attractive dancer sit down and visit for a while and I finally ask for a dance. I was amazed to find that she was wearing pasties, I have not seen that in 30 years. She said they are required at Skin in Scottsdale. I don't know if the other dancers were wearing them. It was a decent safe club and I may return.
Heel Lover
02-23-17, 20:00
I stopped by Sugar44 yesterday about 5. I did see (just talk) Jenny from Centerfolds. (I don't know what name she is using) She said that China is working there but was not there that day. I was only there for a short visit and to check out the club. I had not been there since shortly after the fire and rebuild. I had one attractive dancer sit down and visit for a while and I finally ask for a dance. I was amazed to find that she was wearing pasties, I have not seen that in 30 years. She said they are required at Skin in Scottsdale. I don't know if the other dancers were wearing them. It was a decent safe club and I may return.I think only one dancer wears pasties at sugar 44. I did see one once (briefly) with pasties the first time I was there (Jan). I thought Jenny still went by Jenny. But China (centerfolds name) goes by a different name at sugar 44.
Didn't have a chance to talk to jenny last weekend. But a few of my favorites were Anna (tall, slender blond); Bella (21 year old black hair, amazing pole tricks), Iris (came in as we were leaving around 6, glasses, tats, short hair said she had only been there about a month, cool personality), phoenix (beautiful brunette wearing polka dot outfit) and because I like MILF or that "MILF" look Dani- Wore stockings / she left around 5 maybe earlier-was busy chatting at the bar possibly with regulars for the most part-and then left would have liked to have had a chance to talk to her. But there's always next time!
Oh and for those that like the aa (I like em!) two hot aa dancers came in literally as we were leaving-around 615. Obviously didn't get their names, but again next time. I did verify no cover charge before 7 which is cool (I arrived there early around 3 so did stay at least 3 hours haha)
Heel Lover
02-23-17, 20:29
Hopefully dulce is the 4th (or they have more day girls by now). I have heard unique is excellent Maya clover dulce and unique would be a great 4.I heard that Charlotte is back at bm days. I remember she was friends with ebony back in the "good ol days" (of seeing ebony at bm). I won't be able to make it there for awhile to check (where ebony went / how ebony is doing), but note to self-keep this in mind!
I heard that Charlotte is back at bm days. I remember she was friends with ebony back in the "good ol days" (of seeing ebony at bm). I won't be able to make it there for awhile to check (where ebony went / how ebony is doing), but note to self-keep this in mind!Ahhh Charlotte have never partaken in a dance with her, but I have chatted with her. She seems like a nice gal. I wonder how her dances are. As for Ebony yeah she is gone supposedly. I have however heard there is some decent new talent.
Heel Lover
02-26-17, 15:03
So had to buy some tickets at Us Airways or talking stick whatever end of January (for a concert in the future certainly not for any Suns games haha) and figured what the heck, I'll try scores after. I was with my wife and box office opened at noon, scores opens at 11. Will work perfectly and they're close enough that it won't be too bad was what I was thinking.
I hadn't been in since it was Amazons (never went as Cheetahs) and my wife likes the usually laid back and fun early shift (as do I) vs the night time at clubs (plus no pat down and / or cover charge).
Anyway, finish up at talking stick / us airways / America west arena (I've lived in az my whole life) around 1230 and head on down to scores. Keep in mind we weren't expecting much and weren't really too concerned with how slow it would be since it was early.
Construction was horrible (not their fault I know) and there was either an accident or traffic stop that just wrapped up messing things up about a quarter of a mile away also (again not their fault I realize as well). Was making it difficult to enter, but managed to work around it.
Entrance looked cool and promising, but that's where the good vibes ended. Walked through both sets of doors and it was dark in there (granted we we were there at 1 pm and it was bright outside). Not separated like the flame from bar area to stage and as we were walking the corridor glanced at the stage, did have a dancer and also one sitting down. No problems (yet). One customer. No problem. Music was way too loud. OK minor problem. I don't really care about that.
Went to sit down (senses still trying to adjust) and waitress yells out from behind bar (we are still adjusting to the sights and sounds haha) something like HI WHAT are you DRINKING? And proceeds to follow us (we are on the floor area-she follows us down behind the bar). No one was at the bar when she did this! And then as I was trying to hear her she's at the end of the bar with her arms folded and looking pissed off! The chairs were all of 10 feet from where we were standing and man she looked pissed that we would dare look / glance at the stage and even think of sitting in the chairs rather than going right to the bar.
I was like I'm not sure what we're going to drink and we aren't sure if we're going to stay (I didn't want to be rude and say would it really have killed you to step away from the bar and come over to the table we were going to sit at instead of basically yelling at us to get over to the bar and buy a drink within 30 seconds of our arrival).
She then says something (very very extremely bitchy) like well if you're staying there is a 2 drink minimum. I had had enough and was done! I've been going to strip clubs for over 20 years and had never had an experience like this! I wasn't trying to beat any system and could care less about drink minimums. I also tip waitresses nicely and get to know some of them after awhile or even a few visits sometimes.
So I just said well we're going to take off and turned around and walked out. I don't recall ever doing that before! I've stayed very short times at a place just to check it out (Elite cough cough), but even there I bought my drinks and chatted with the waitress and tipped her a few bucks. And that visit was no more than 10 maybe 15 minutes (with no money spent on dancers).
Oh well we grabbed a "Quest" magazine and called Sugar 44 that day (from scores parking lot) and sugar had just opened and was on our way home anyway. Had a cool time there that afternoon and wrote off scores forever (it's further anyway).
Went to Blue Moon last week in the mid-late afternoon. I like the minor remodel they did. Before the remodel I was afraid to touch anything. *eek*.
I also enjoyed the quiet music, a HUGE PLUS for my hearing imparement. Conversations were at a normal tone, no yelling needed and I had no problem hearing the girls as they talked to me. YES!
Maya stopped by to take my order (a bottle of water) a few minutes after I had a seat and, of the lot, she was the one that caught my eye. I like a 30 something woman with a pretty face and petite frame.
She was on stage next and I made sure we caught eyes when she came down.
We talked for a few minutes and then went to the VIP in the back corner. 46 bucks for the 3 songs.
She is really cool and I really enjoyed my time with her. She kept her top on but pulled it under her breast, just like she did on stage which means one thing, they are saggers. I don't mind because her tits look really nice being supported like that. My time with her made me a very happy man so money was well spent but YMMV.
I took my seat again and watched the other dancers and eventually her again. When Maya got off the stage I made sure to tip her a couple bucks and she insisted that I not. "Keep it". Huh? Really? This really just happen? She said you don't need to do that I insisted and left a few minutes later as I had a business appointment. I left a very happy man.
Another thing that caught me by surprise was early on I had mentioned that it had been years since I've been there, or any other club in fact. She said oh, why so long? And then followed up with "That's good, you don't want to come too often". LOL, it's like she saw my checking account.
For me, a score of 9 on this afternoon. I saw a few beautiful naked women, soft music playing, friendly girls and the guy at the desk has always been cool to me (recalling from over 3 years ago when I would spend as much time talking to him as the ladies).
As mentioned earlier I prefer latina / exotic dancers and was steered away from Jaguars as its a bit of a rougher crowd and with Christies downtown being closed what are my other options? Which are some of the larger strip clubs that are currently operating in the valley? And do all offer alchhol? Also, which SC's offer the best day time action?? From the previous posts it would appear I'm best off to stay away from Scottsdale clubs.
Stopped by today still looking for Centerfolds China. Before I even got my ass in the seat they same babe wearing pasties snagged me. She kept rubbing my neck and finally begged to give me a dance because she had not made any money today. OK so I blew twenty on her for a couple of pretty lame dances. Next came a cute light skinned AA with nice little B cups. I like natural. She gave me a couple of OK dances but I am accustom to the girls at Centerfolds where I would get a lot of mutual touching even non-VIP.
Bottom line is the beer is not ice cold and the dances are only OK. I may give it one more try looking for China.
Still looking for a replacement for Centerfolds so I stopped into Scores mid afternoon last week. Nice club and a very light crowd. There were a couple of dancers talking to the guys at the next table and a couple talking to guys at the bar. The manager kept stopping at the next table to talk, he is kind of an odd guy, not the SC manager type. A sweet little Latina came in and started talking to the group at the bar. I kept making eye contact hoping she would get the hint and come over. Sometimes I think because I am older (67) they avoid me. She finally came over and I ended up getting four dances. Turns out she is only 19 and was previously at Centerfolds in the evening working on both sides. She was worth my time and money.
As I left the odd manager was standing outside, ask if I enjoyed myself and said to remind him to buy me a drink on my next visit. I may return.
Danimal Forth
02-27-17, 21:03
As mentioned earlier I prefer latina / exotic dancers and was steered away from Jaguars as its a bit of a rougher crowd and with Christies downtown being closed what are my other options? Which are some of the larger strip clubs that are currently operating in the valley? And do all offer alchhol? Also, which SC's offer the best day time action?? From the previous posts it would appear I'm best off to stay away from Scottsdale clubs.Choices nearest to Jags with latinas: Chicas, Bandaids, T&A. Since you don't like the rougher crowd then I think all but one are ruled out.
You've also got Alaskan Bush Company very close though I doubt it has many latinas. Dirty's is close too but I haven't been there in at least a year. Essex is a possibility along with HiLiter and Bourbon Street. These three are more like the Christie's experience. Of course Bandaids is always down the street if you check them out. Easier on the wallet and nearly guaranteed to have latinas.
Except for Chicas and Bandaids those are all larger clubs. They all have alcohol. Can't recommend anything about daytime really other than passing on ABC and probably Essex.
CubsFan2016
02-28-17, 00:40
Visited Phoenix last week. Went to bourbon street and blue moon to check out the spectrum.
Bourbon around noon on a weekday. Empty when I entered. Three women came on eventually one after another. Got a couple of dances from Alexis, blonde with naturals. Moderate contact above waist. Then came Kimberly, another blonde with naturals. She wears knee length socks. Very fun dances. Felt like she got really into it and made me feel special. Got four dances from her. Two before she went on stage and two after. She has been dancing there since two years apparently, usually week days. Can't recommend enough.
Then went to blue moon to see the comparison. Was a particularly good day - 8 in club. Got a private dance from Juicy. Thin AA with small breasts but very tall and nice legs. She is fantastic. Very open and humble. Was very honest. Appreciative of compliments. I personally did not find the others in Blue Moon as beautiful, but each go their own. Would highly recommend Juicy for her sensuality and general easy going nature. No extras. Impressed how Blue Moon keeps it real.
Wanted to try out Bandaids and HiLiter but didn't Have the time. You guys in Phoenix have it lucky with Bourbon and Blue Moon. Each offering very different styles but equally good to keep you happy at a reasonable cost.
I stopped by briefly at Bandaids last night. In addition to ID check they now take your picture. Note the small camera to side of I'd machine. I was not interested in any of the dancers and soon left. Dancers almost all too large (both in body and breasts) for my tastes. Most black (which I like if a slim body) as were most of the customers. Two big employee guys seemed to have lost a dancer as they were frantically looking for someone. Huge dude at the door I have not seen before.
Hi-Liter stopped in briefly with big line up at door. Now check I'd's and wand you. Take phone and keys out of pocket and hold up. This probably is due to the shooting at Centerfolds a few weeks ago.
Around 12:30 AM h-liter were quite busy. I lucked out with one great dancer Velencia. My perfect body type (slim smaller breasts, great smile and face and wonderful personality). She use to be at Centerfolds. Left before the shooting. We had an immediate connection and a 5 on my 0-5 intimacy scale with 5 being rare and usually only in Canada!
Exodus Cabaret replaces Roxy.
4516 and 19th Ave.
Looks like started in January 2017 as Exodus Cultural Center with male bands and singers. Starting in February starts advertising beautiful dancers and added name Exodus Cabaret.
Looks like mostly African Americans and not sure really a strip club. Reports plays are&B, Funk, Soul, & Blues. As a cultural center is celebrating Black History Month.
As the cultural center has an interim liquor permit that expires 5/4/2017. A hearing has been scheduled for March 2017 from the prior owner with the same address as Exodus to Exodus Cultural Center.
As it seems all liquor licenses for strip clubs, a hearing is scheduled for March 2017 "because the City of Phoenix recommended disapproval. This matter is also set for a hearing because of public protest. ".
Exotica 3790 Grand Ave liquor license transfer was granted in February to MINKS Cabaret at the same address.
Plush Club opened at 1720 E McDowell Rd on 2/17/2017 and looking for more dancers. This location has had many owners and for a long time was a male strip club. Now back to female dancers and they claim to be female owned and operated.
Their liquor license transfer was granted in February 2017 from a Scottsdale Comedy Club after a hearing due to city recommending disapproval.
Open 4 pm to 2 AM Tuesday thru Saturday.
http://www.plushclubphx.com
In February Pink Bunny license transfer approved for 2438 E McDowell Road, after huge fight over background of a new owner. Perhaps new owner with same business name now approved from T&A III at same address.
Choices nearest to Jags with latinas: Chicas, Bandaids, T&A. Since you don't like the rougher crowd then I think all but one are ruled out.
You've also got Alaskan Bush Company very close though I doubt it has many latinas. Dirty's is close too but I haven't been there in at least a year. Essex is a possibility along with HiLiter and Bourbon Street. These three are more like the Christie's experience. Of course Bandaids is always down the street if you check them out. Easier on the wallet and nearly guaranteed to have latinas.
Except for Chicas and Bandaids those are all larger clubs. They all have alcohol. Can't recommend anything about daytime really other than passing on ABC and probably Essex.So just to confirm the larger clubs are Christies, Jaguars, Bourbon Street and Essex?
Danimal Forth
03-01-17, 03:20
So just to confirm the larger clubs are Christies, Jaguars, Bourbon Street and Essex?Of the ones I mentioned above only Bandaids and Chicas are small. T&A is probably a bit larger than those, in case it matters to anybody.
Dick North
03-02-17, 19:32
Although maybe not appropriate to earlier discussions, two larger & actually nice but more distant clubs come to mind. Bliss on Deer Valley & Sonnys Arizona Ave.
I recently visited Bliss early afternoon & was quite slow, after awhile a few nice dancers came in. One in particular, Eureka who is a tiny Filipina was great. I was thinking I could keep her in my back pocket.
Will definitely return to see her if I can get a handle on her schedule.
Sonny's visited one early afternoon this week. By about 1:30 some nicer dancers appeared. I tried one dancer in VIP for $. The deal sucks in that you pay $ for 4 dances up front (the house probably takes. 20). So if you don't like the session you are screwed. Nice club tho but hate their rules. Probably had about 5 white girls and 4 black girls. Too bad about their rules.
Best VIP deal in town for me is Bandaids.
DN.
Centerfolds was my favorite for many years so I have been on a search for a new place. After Bourbon Street, Sugar44, Bandaids and Scores I tried Hi-Liter. After a couple of visits I think I found my new favorite. There are plenty of attractive very friendly dancers (Butterfly and Kami I really enjoyed). You get a very good dance on the floor, however the $25 VIP charge is not in my budget. I think I need to save my lunch money just to give it a try and see what I get. The only down side to the club is the crowded seating. They try to cram so many tables in that it is difficult to get to a table let alone give a dancer room to move.
Heel Lover
03-05-17, 15:07
Is the latest word I've heard (last week). Cannot confirm in person myself, but did hear from a birdie flying around that she is back.
Dolce, clover, Roxanne, Maya and one other (Layla maybe don't know) were there also from what I heard. The others (other than layla) I am familiar with the names. Sounds like day shift is back in order, especially if you count Charlotte (who is back and still there as far as I know).
Dick North
03-05-17, 20:07
Is the latest word I've heard (last week). Cannot confirm in person myself, but did hear from a birdie flying around that she is back.
Dolce, clover, Roxanne, Maya and one other (Layla maybe don't know) were there also from what I heard. The others (other than layla) I am familiar with the names. Sounds like day shift is back in order, especially if you count Charlotte (who is back and still there as far as I know).Hope that's true. When I was there a week ago I asked Robert the mgr about her and he said she wasn't working the required 4 days a week. End of discussion, so I guess she was let go.
Maybe they are realizing that she is a good draw for business.
DN.
Hope that's true. When I was there a week ago I asked Robert the mgr about her and he said she wasn't working the required 4 days a week. End of discussion, so I guess she was let go.
Maybe they are realizing that she is a good draw for business.
DN.She's back she told me she got rehired.
Centerfolds was my favorite for many years so I have been on a search for a new place. After Bourbon Street, Sugar44, Bandaids and Scores I tried Hi-Liter. After a couple of visits I think I found my new favorite. There are plenty of attractive very friendly dancers (Butterfly and Kami I really enjoyed). You get a very good dance on the floor, however the $25 VIP charge is not in my budget. I think I need to save my lunch money just to give it a try and see what I get. The only down side to the club is the crowded seating. They try to cram so many tables in that it is difficult to get to a table let alone give a dancer room to move.Post raid. Hiliter has changed for the worse in my opinion. Glad you had a good time though.
I've been reviewing listings on BP and CL past few days and have sent out a few messages with a very low response rate. I'm starting to think it may be safer to go to a SC, that way you actually get to see the girl and know its not LE as well get a feel for their personality. As far as $ I'd be willing to offer a bit more as they need to be compensated to leave the club. I've offered anywhere between $400-$500 in the past and it's worked a couple times. Can anyone with more knowledge than I chime in if this is the right strategy or if there's a better (and safer) way for me to go about this? Thanks in advance.
I plan on visiting jaguars, chicas and essex tomorrow. And perhaps Hi liter during the day Friday and Christies at night. As my previous posts indicte I'm into exotic / latina girls. Will post updates as we go. Appreciate any feedback you can provide.
Higgs Boson
03-08-17, 04:59
Exodus Cabaret replaces Roxy.
Looks like started in January 2017 as Exodus Cultural Center with male bands and singers. Starting in February starts advertising beautiful dancers and added name Exodus Cabaret.
.Dave, you scooped me before I finished my report including Exodus.
The Zombie Club.
A few months ago, I pronounced Exodus to be dead, dead, dead. Well, passing it several times over a couple of months, I noticed the ownership got smart, first posting a large Now Open banner above the front. Then they improved that by adding a lighted neon OPEN sign. On those evening, there have been a handful of cars in the front lot. I haven't visited to check inside.
Fun note on Exodus: take a look at the main sign as you go by. In big letter it says EXODUS. Below, in smaller characters it says "Cultural Center". Has anyone checked on the culture yet? It's on my list and I'll drop by soon.
Centerfolds: as noted, this club is closed. I've passed it a couple of time recently. The lights are on but nobody's home. What will happen next is a big question. The City will not advocate for a club but from its community relations point of view, the club is in a location it likes: not close to any residential areas and it's in a light industry / business park area. This keeps it mostly out of view of the anti-sex people from all parts of the political spectrum. However the location is a two-edged sword: cited in past newspaper articles a certain sporting goods manufacturer across the street had expressed displeasure having a strip club in the neighborhood. This world-famous golf equipment manufacturer could be a factor whether that location reopens as a strip club. You can see their driving range if you take a detour on Desert Cove Rd.
Yes, it's correct, Bliss may be the closest club to Centerfolds with perhaps the exception of Exodus. However, Bliss shares a problem with the Christies' on 32 d Street: it's close, walking distance, to a H*oneywell plant, in this case the plant at 19th Ave and Deer Valley Rd. I'm sure the club was a jumping place at night and a great lunch stop during H*oneywell's heyday, but there have been few customers on any visit I've made over the last 10 years. On the other hand, I have met some interesting dancers there over that time. Ironically, one of the best dancing experiences I've ever had was in the Centerfolds VIP area with a former Bliss dancer.
IMO Bliss is badly in need of a makeover. I'm not saying it has a tired and old decor but it seems strange to say that places like Bandaids and even Chicas have better interiors.
The end of January I went to hear Mike Doughty perform. After the concert I felt the need to check out some rumors and explore some changed venues. I started with the Pink Rhino. I heard a rumor it had reopened but it's not true. I turned into a dark parking lot and the weatherbeaten marquee by the street said it all.
From the Pink Rhino, I proceed to VLive on University Drive. This used to be Xecutive, and previously under another name. It was a $15 cover and it had a full parking lot even though it was about 11:30 on a Tuesday night. I was lucky to get one of the last parking spaces. Inside, the basic layout was as when it was Xecutive. Changes included removed seating at a wall and corner where Newbie80 and I had some really fun experience on previous visits. Opposite wall had a partially walled-off VIP area. The main stage was moved from the east wall to the center of the club. The stage was well lighted from below and the entire club was much brighter. One secondary stage now occupied the west wall. I hung out at the bar, no change in location. This is primarily a "make it rain" club, though one dancer offered dances at the VIP for $20/ dance. Want booty? This is a great club for that: big booty, moderate booty, and fake booty. It's all here. There was even one or two nicely shaped smaller booty.
This evening, I decided the final club for the evening was Bandaids. I haven't visited as much over the last six months or so for a couple of reasons. First, my work schedule has made that difficult to get out as much as before. Secondly, there are about 3-4 dancers at Bandaids whose allures are so strong and they work their charms so well, I might as well establish trust funds in their names. Unfortunately, I can't afford to do that right now, so I'm very strategic about when I visit Bandaids. A late night Tuesday usually means I can experience Nairobi and avoid the 2 or 3 other dancers at this club I find to be extremely hot. It worked out as I hoped. I kicked back with a beverage and eventually Nairobi came by and we went out to the lounge for some dances. Beautiful face, nicely shaped butt, B cup breasts, nice personality.
Back soon with reports on Mink (formerly Exotica), T&A on Central, Dirty's, ABC, Chicas and Essex.
Higgs.
Federal Court issues Preliminary Injunction favoring stripping as a 1st Amendment Right at of age 18 not 21.
The argument is that the law that requires strippers be age 21 violates the First Amendment because it proscribes nudity for women younger than 21 in more settings than those where the risk of human trafficking is present. The law "could result in 18 to 21-year-olds being precluded from participating in theater or similar artistic productions if such participation entails nudity. ".
The judge had already temporarily blocked enforcement of the law last year, on the grounds that the three strippers who brought the lawsuit would suffer economic damages if it was enforced. Judges are more likely to temporarily block a law if one side -- in this case, the strippers -- can show immediate harm under the law's enforcement, and the state made no similar claim that it would suffer damages if the law was blocked.
The ruling was a preliminary injunction, which is issued when the judge finds there is a substantial likelihood that that those bringing the suit would prevail. It could lead to a permanent injunction, either through a trial or a final ruling by Barbier.
There are some bright spots in The judge's ruling for lawmakers and advocates who are looking for ways to make it more difficult for human traffickers to recruit women from strip clubs. The dancers that brought the challenge attacked the law as aimed at sending the message to young women that "there is a better way of living" -- a statement that called into question whether the law was "content neutral" as the constitution requires.
The state argued that the law is, in fact, content neutral, and is aimed at reducing the "secondary effects" that strip clubs could have on young women. Among those secondary effects are exposure to human traffickers and narcotics. As the court challenge played out, the state submitted evidence collected during the prosecution of the alleged pimp accused of killing a Bourbon Street dancer and through the 2015 "trick or treat" raids on French Quarter strip clubs that uncovered drug dealing and prostitution.
Although the judge said he found that the evidence gathered from the raids was "not especially strong" -- the enforcement report does "not specifically isolate 18 to 20-year-olds as victims.
In the end, the judge wrote that the state was able to show secondary effects in their case, and that the "Louisiana Legislature had a reasonable basis for believing that human trafficking is a secondary effect of erotic dancing when it. And the state is not required to prove that the (law) will eradicate this problem. ".
"The bottom line is, 40 percent of the men and women who are trafficking victims that we see have worked in strip clubs, often leading from strip clubs into human trafficking or once they're involved in human trafficking leading to strip clubs," a law supporter said.
Another issue raised in the case concerns whether the law is vague about how much of a nude dancer's body needs to be covered (or uncovered) to trigger the law for 18 to 20-year-olds. The questions were raised in part because the dancers who brought the suit said they were confused about whether they could still serve alcohol in a strip club with parts of their body exposed.
The judge ruled that while the questions raised by the dancers about serving alcohol versus dancing did not apply, there was "inconsistency" in Louisiana statutes, "especially with respect to its definition of the naked breast. ".
In a statement, ATC Chief of Staff Ernest xxxx said that Commissioner Juana xxxxxx"does not believe the law to be unconstitutionally overbroad or vague," and does not interpret the law to apply to "theatres, ballets, or other mainstream performance arts venues where negative secondary effects such as human trafficking would be unlikely to occur. ".
She added that the law would not be enforced in those venues on her watch. The judge acknowledged that point in his ruling, however, writing, "she will not always be the ATC commissioner," adding, "it is not the court's role to rely on the rely on the interpretation of an enforcement agency when determining whether the statute is constitutional. ".
Louisiana Solicitor General Elizabeth Mxxxx said in a statement that Attorney General Jeff Lxxx's office believes the law is "a reasonable, content neutral restriction that was clearly related to legitimate governmental interest in protecting 18-21 year olds from exploitation. " She added that the AG's office does not agree that the law, as ruled by The judge, is "vague or overbroad, and we intend to appeal the ruling and work with the legislature, if necessary, to amend it. ".
Centerfolds has officially lost their liquor license. It had just been suspended. That sucks, I really liked that place. Hopefully, it can be resurrected under new ownership.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/03/15/centerfolds-cabaret-phoenix-loses-liquor-license-after-firefighters-death/99233506/
Got this from a very reliable source. One of the owners! HL and CS are in the process of buying Centerfolds from the previous owner and expect it might take as much as 3 months to complete the transaction and get a new license.
Centerfolds Murder and Hindering Case.
Brandon has a public defender but appears not able to meet his $250,000 secured bond requirement. His initial lawyer withdrew. Charged with 2nd degree murder.
Timothy is out on his own recognizance. Not sure if his attorney is private or public defender. Charged with hindering and tampering with evidence. Class 3 felony.
Direct Complaint has been withdrawn since now have a Grand Jury Indictment which is almost always the case in felonies.
Both have moved to sever their cases and it appears the State has objected as it usually does if crimes are closely related.
Brandon was granted an extension of time until 4/7/2017 to challenge the indictment. This is also typical but I have never seen a successful challenge. It may, however, show a defense strategy.
Timothy was granted an extension to file a motion to remand and of probably cause until 4/24/2017.
Trial judge not yet assigned just a new case management judge after the 1st judge recused herself.
Has been designated a "complex case" which almost all that I follow are. A "complex case" in Arizona has extended dates trial must begin (270 days). This is quite meaningless however since this "last day" keeps getting extended. For example, the Phoenix Goddess case took almost five years to get to trial and extensions of last days were frequent.
The Court has ordered all 911 calls and police radio recordings to be preserved.
Initial Pre-trial is 3/21 and the first comprehensive pretrial conference is 4/19. These dates often get continued and probably not much will happen this early in the case.
Heel Lover
03-19-17, 10:05
So after being married for over a decade, my wife and I finally did it! And it was pretty fun I must say.
That's right, we finally made "it".
To the Hiliter.
This was end of last month and we knew we wouldn't be able to go out to a club for a few weekends so wanted to make the most of it. We were at Sugar44 around 430 to 5:00 on the Saturday and it was pretty slow. Dani was there (she is a sweetheart "milfy" type), but I think there may have been some kind of high roller in the VIP "upstairs"/ elevated area.
There weren't many of the usual dancers I was used to seeing (at all in the club and several I hadn't seen were mostly VIP) and just not a lot going on. They also had a shItty dj that was pissing me off (he was playing country and hip hop / pop only-no rock or metal at all-not even 80's). This place always seemed to be a pretty kick back, enjoyable time before; but not so much this night.
So we decided to go somewhere else. And with it being close to 600 (I assumed no cover before 6 at Hiliter and I was correct, thankfully) and my wife not really being a fan of BSC; she agreed to go to HiLiter; and I'm glad she did.
Review to follow (it was actually a pretty quick visit to just check it out) once my tiredness from March Madness wears off. So maybe next week haha. We will see. I do want to go again though (maybe earlier in the afternoon).
Got this from a very reliable source. One of the owners! HL and CS are in the process of buying Centerfolds from the previous owner and expect it might take as much as 3 months to complete the transaction and get a new license.I doubt if they can. Arizona Revised Statutes 13-1422 state:
An adult oriented business shall not be located within one-fourth mile of a child care facility, a private, public or charter school, a public playground, a public recreational facility, a residence or a place of worship. For the purposes of this subsection, measurements shall be made in a straight line in all directions, without regard to intervening structures or objects, from the nearest point on the property line of a parcel containing an adult oriented business to the nearest point on the property line of a parcel containing a child care facility, a private, public or charter school, a public playground, a public recreational facility, a residence or a place of worship. An adult oriented business lawfully operating in conformity with this section does not violate this section if a child care facility, a private, public or charter school, a public playground, a public recreational facility, a residence or a place of worship subsequently locates within one-fourth mile of the adult oriented business.
I know of at least 2 churches (there may be more) within one-fourth mile and there are several residences in that area. The reason why Centerfolds was able to be there was because they were in existence before this law took place in 2005. They were grandfathered in. This would be a new business with a new tax ID number so it would have to go to the Phoenix zoning board to get a clearance and use permit and the Phoenix zoning board would never issue one due to this new law. I think that location is gone for good.
Heel Lover
03-20-17, 22:22
Have a couple of questions about the Hiliter especially since my visit last month was brief (had some other stuff to do that night, not because I wasn't having fun-it was definitely fun).
Is there a cover before 6? We didn't get charged one, but maybe because we were a couple and said it was our first time (it was) and we were just checking it out. I also said to the bouncer something like have been to most of the other clubs (true) and always wanted to check out hiliter (also true).
How much are the massages? Bouncer said he thought they might be same as a dance, but something like the massage girls are independent and to ask them. Didn't see one after I asked and only briefly saw the one (pretty AA). I swear I saw her go on stage after! Maybe I was seeing things? Topless dancers who only gives fully clothed massages?
Feel free to pm this one. Any recommended dancers for a strip clubber of over 20 years, but brand new to Hiliter.
I went to the Flame for so many years and have had so much fun trying new clubs (wife doesn't care and goes along sometimes). However, it's tough being a "newbie, rookie" or whatever all over again. I'm also a pretty nice guy in general (and definitely not rich haha) which doesn't always help.
Thanks in advance to all you awesome, bad ass mFers out there (working on my "street" talk / game haha).
I've been down on Hiliter lately but my last visit was great. Spent time with Katana she was awesome. My faith has been restored.
Have a couple of questions about the Hiliter especially since my visit last month was brief (had some other stuff to do that night, not because I wasn't having fun-it was definitely fun).
Is there a cover before 6? We didn't get charged one, but maybe because we were a couple and said it was our first time (it was) and we were just checking it out. I also said to the bouncer something like have been to most of the other clubs (true) and always wanted to check out hiliter (also true).
How much are the massages? Bouncer said he thought they might be same as a dance, but something like the massage girls are independent and to ask them. Didn't see one after I asked and only briefly saw the one (pretty AA). I swear I saw her go on stage after! Maybe I was seeing things? Topless dancers who only gives fully clothed massages?
Feel free to pm this one. Any recommended dancers for a strip clubber of over 20 years, but brand new to Hiliter.
I went to the Flame for so many years and have had so much fun trying new clubs (wife doesn't care and goes along sometimes). However, it's tough being a "newbie, rookie" or whatever all over again. I'm also a pretty nice guy in general (and definitely not rich haha) which doesn't always help.
Thanks in advance to all you awesome, bad ass mFers out there (working on my "street" talk / game haha).No cover before 6. I personally much prefer the daytime at HL, just seems more laid back. The girls who can't sell the dances, try to sell massages, same price as dances, don't waste your money. Lots of girls to choose from, everyone's tastes are different, the fun is in finding a few to your liking. Did you know a dancer named Jaden at the Flame?
Heel Lover
03-21-17, 23:56
No cover before 6. I personally much prefer the daytime at HL, just seems more laid back. The girls who can't sell the dances, try to sell massages, same price as dances, don't waste your money. Lots of girls to choose from, everyone's tastes are different, the fun is in finding a few to your liking. Did you know a dancer named Jaden at the Flame?Don't remember a Jaden. Perhaps she got to the club later at night. I was almost always there around 5 and almost always left before 8-besides one Halloween weekend when I stayed a long time, but that was a really long time ago. Ah the memories of halloween weekend (s).
I used to get there around 3 (at least like 3 years ago) and it wasn't bad. But last year it was usually dead until at least 6 so I didn't get there until like 545 to avoid the cover haha. But then I didn't like the main nighttime dj. He seemed so cocky every time I talked to him or requested music. The other guys (daytime djs?) knew me and were super cool as I was very much a regular and would tip / chat hang out whatever no big deal, but then there weren't many dancers until later.
I haven't been in since early Sept. My favorites (that may still be there) were Emma-blonde, younger 20's probably-sort of shy, super nice and huge boobs; akira-blonde just super nice and pretty; Kitana-tats black hair fun to talk with (chatted with her just at the bar one evening for quite awhile after getting some dances); and Sarah black hair gorgeous, beautiful wow factor, could dance anywhere if she wanted including Christie's Tempe, hiliter and even bsc-surprisingly nice and laid back for being the hottest (at least on afternoon shift) dancer.
Heel Lover
03-22-17, 00:01
I've been down on Hiliter lately but my last visit was great. Spent time with Katana she was awesome. My faith has been restored.Was super hot! She was pretty occupied giving dances most of the time I was there (it was packed too), but I did see her on stage once thankfully.
Dick North
03-22-17, 19:10
Visited today early afternoon. Met a friend "Tanya" aka "Jesse" and had a nice VIP session with her. Then noticed a new cute dancer named "Butterfly" from Cambodia.
Nice time but serious dough spent. Would recommend either dancer.
Watch your wallet and bail when the alarm goes off.
DN.
Visited today early afternoon. Met a friend "Tanya" aka "Jesse" and had a nice VIP session with her. Then noticed a new cute dancer named "Butterfly" from Cambodia.
Nice time but serious dough spent. Would recommend either dancer.
Watch your wallet and bail when the alarm goes off.
DN.Butterfly is great, I'll assume you meant new to you as she's been around awhile. I was there yesterday too, late afternoon / early evening though, had some fun with Jenny, a blonde hair Cuban with an ass to die for, I recommend. I noticed that waitress Hailey has moved over from Centerfolds, she may have been the hottest girl there, she really should be dancing, she'd make a killing.
Don't remember a Jaden. Perhaps she got to the club later at night. I was almost always there around 5 and almost always left before 8-besides one Halloween weekend when I stayed a long time, but that was a really long time ago. Ah the memories of halloween weekend (s).
I used to get there around 3 (at least like 3 years ago) and it wasn't bad. But last year it was usually dead until at least 6 so I didn't get there until like 545 to avoid the cover haha. But then I didn't like the main nighttime dj. He seemed so cocky every time I talked to him or requested music. The other guys (daytime djs?) knew me and were super cool as I was very much a regular and would tip / chat hang out whatever no big deal, but then there weren't many dancers until later.
I haven't been in since early Sept. My favorites (that may still be there) were Emma-blonde, younger 20's probably-sort of shy, super nice and huge boobs; akira-blonde just super nice and pretty; Kitana-tats black hair fun to talk with (chatted with her just at the bar one evening for quite awhile after getting some dances); and Sarah black hair gorgeous, beautiful wow factor, could dance anywhere if she wanted including Christie's Tempe, hiliter and even bsc-surprisingly nice and laid back for being the hottest (at least on afternoon shift) dancer.I used to attend the Flame year ago. Maybe like 5 years ago. I remember these dancers. Christy, Foxy, Gimmie, Barbi, Sam, Logan, and Bailey during the day. Abbey was my favorite of them all. No reason to go there anymore.
NatibusVenator
03-23-17, 22:41
Was super hot! She was pretty occupied giving dances most of the time I was there (it was packed too), but I did see her on stage once thankfully.Is this Katana a tall, thin, light skinned black gal?
Heel Lover
03-24-17, 06:54
Is this Katana a tall, thin, light skinned black gal?Nope busty and I believe Asian.
Heel Lover
03-24-17, 07:21
I used to attend the Flame year ago. Maybe like 5 years ago. I remember these dancers. Christy, Foxy, Gimmie, Barbi, Sam, Logan, and Bailey during the day. Abbey was my favorite of them all. No reason to go there anymore.Christy-wore stockings which I loved, but danced almost always to country which I hated-she quit early 2016-no longer dances. One of the dancers told me where her "normal" job was, but I forgot / didn't really care.
Foxy-I remember her as pretty and liked her and got dances from her but it was such a long time ago, don't remember much else. One of the other dancers there said she was cool though (I remember weird details a lot).
Bailey- blonde big fake boobs-she seemed alright, but one of the other dancers (I think same one that said foxy was cool) said she complained all the time and was bitchy. I never really talked to her, smoked the e cig at the bar-she was still there I believe in Sept or may have left right before.
Abbey was cool. Only saw her once because I think she was nights mostly. I saw her in the bar area right before I was getting set to leave one time. I did get dances. Don't remember much else, except that I liked foxy most out of the four.
Don't recognize the names of the others, but may have just missed them or just don't remember (I used to go on Fridays a long time ago, but most recently could only go on saturdays).
Oh wait I did see Sam! Briefly once-MILF type if I remember. I liked her A LOT. Never saw her again after unfortunately. I tipped her on stage and wanted dances and never saw her again or had a chance that time (she went private or just in the dressing room).
And I won't be back (too much drama lat year even by strip club standards haha).
Anyone know where or if Sandy still dances somewhere. I visited just before they closed but wasn't able to get a dance with her.
Or does anyone know of any other extremely large busted girls in the valley besides Mustang?
Heel Lover
03-26-17, 21:03
Anyone know where or if Sandy still dances somewhere. I visited just before they closed but wasn't able to get a dance with her.
Or does anyone know of any other extremely large busted girls in the valley besides Mustang?Jordan-days at BSC and others I'm sure at BSc (haven't been in for a while).
Lots of big boob dancers at Hiliter.
Heel Lover
03-26-17, 22:04
Had a fun second visit last night. I Like getting there right at like 530 to 545 before cover.
Bouncer waved us-my wife and I- right in this time. 2nd bouncer took us to our seat, middle but was cool and asked if we wanted up front or middle. Told him middle was ok as that's where we were last time. Ended up same crowded table as last month, but that's okay. He said could just move up front if wanted to. Wasn't packed like last time (ncaa games were on, but I'm sure a lot of people stayed home to watch or watched at sports bars). Anyway moved right away and actually had room this time. Not a huge fucking maze of chairs like before-by the bar with little room.
Waitress was nice, bouncer was nice. I really like the place! Drinks are two for one before a certain time, but neither one of us drinks alcohol. Kind of funny getting two sodas each. But only 4 bucks each, no big deal (is actually like one dollar more than the Flame for one).
Loved the variety of dancers. Ruby (Hispanic) remembered us from our short visit last month (she was the only one we got dances with last time). Tipped her on stage, but she had promised some guy (s) some dances so she said to stick around if we could.
We waited and glad we did. She is such a sweetheart and incredibly sexy. We had good conversation last time right away even though I just straight told her it was my first time and we weren't looking to spend a lot of money. She was cool about it then and just as nice this time. She just sat with me (on my lap) for a couple of songs and we all talked because she knew her turn on stage was coming soon.
After that stage turn, she came back and had her friend PatrisIA (have no idea how to spell it it is like PA trees IA, not patricia) come over, but not in a pressured sort of way. I would have had 4 dances with ruby (2 for me, 2 for my wife) but really liked her friend so just got one each from each of them (we each got one from both of them). At first I wasn't so sure if I wanted to switch from ruby because I like her so much, but her friend was definitely worth it. So pretty and very nice (a bit shy maybe talking wise afterwards, but didn't affect the dance and I "knew" Ruby better, so I don't blame her).
We were going to probably leave right after that, but I was having a lot of fun. Then more dancers came in (shift change) as well as the female dj. I love hearing the female dj. I guess when you've gone to clubs as long as I have, these things make a difference. I couldn't stand the (nighttime) dj at the Flame. I hate the (topless side) dj at alaskan Bush and all his stupid comments-probably won't go there again for a long time anyway, but it was one thing I noticed there. I like how she keep things going and you can actually understand her (and definitely a sexy voice), dancers don't miss their turns etc. And on a side note, the only time I've ever heard a female dj was on a Playboy video before (playboy's strip clubs or something) In a club I think in Canada. I saw this many years ago (think vhs days) and remember thinking damn a female dj would be awesome in a strip club.
Anyway glad we stayed because kimberly was a dancer my wife liked and wanted a dance from. She rarely tells me flat out she really likes a dancer! Didn't know her name at the time she was walking close, but she stopped and introduced herself (I would have approached her if she didn't stop at our table). She had stockings which I love and was absolutely amazing. She did have implants, but they looked great. She had a fun and great personality and talked to us for an extra dance after dancing for us. That was really cool of her and she didn't have to do that as it was getting busier at that time. We basically told her it was only our second time there (due to living over about 20 miles away), but that we'd make the drive and come see her again.
I really like the place and my wife does also. My wife did not like bsc (she doesn't like blondes haha) and I like the floor dancers better than bsc considering especially that they are basically non existent (from my most recent experience anyway) at BSc anymore. If going as a couple, we'd definitely choose hiliter over bsc. And if I went by myself (wife doesn't care of course), I'd probably stick with hiliter as well.
I'm also getting better at figuring out the floor layout, fucking maze of chairs there. I'll be a pro at that in a few more visits haha. But if that's my biggest complaint, that's pretty good I must say.
Jordan-days at BSC and others I'm sure at BSc (haven't been in for a while).
Lots of big boob dancers at Hiliter.Don't recall ever seeing her, but I've read good things about Jordan.
Dick North
03-27-17, 19:18
Butterfly is great, I'll assume you meant new to you as she's been around awhile. I was there yesterday too, late afternoon / early evening though, had some fun with Jenny, a blonde hair Cuban with an ass to die for, I recommend. I noticed that waitress Hailey has moved over from Centerfolds, she may have been the hottest girl there, she really should be dancing, she'd make a killing.Yep, you are correct about "new to me" as I have now been there twice in the past 10 years. As I was sitting at the bar a dancer approached me and asked if I had ever been to Centerfolds. Well she turns out to be 'Paris" from Centerfolds. Now has dyed her hair blonde and claims that (with certainty) that Centerfolds will open in 4 months. We will see.
DN.
Dick North
03-28-17, 17:28
Was driving by today and noticed cars & the front door open.
Stopped and went in and met with a construction supervisor who seemed nervous that I was in the building.
Anyway they have completely trashed the interior (which I always thought was first class).
The guy said they plan to reopen in two months. (Not sure what they plan to reopen as tho)
Another promise which we can wait to see if actually happens.
DN.
Was driving by today and noticed cars & the front door open.
Stopped and went in and met with a construction supervisor who seemed nervous that I was in the building.
Anyway they have completely trashed the interior (which I always thought was first class).
The guy said they plan to reopen in two months. (Not sure what they plan to reopen as tho)
Another promise which we can wait to see if actually happens.
DN.That's interesting. I was never too fond of the interior of this club, seemed like way too much wasted space. It'll be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
Arizona Junkie
03-29-17, 01:14
Anyone know where or if Sandy still dances somewhere. I visited just before they closed but wasn't able to get a dance with her.
Or does anyone know of any other extremely large busted girls in the valley besides Mustang?Yeah, I would like to catch up with Sandy too. Please post if anyone runs into her.
Other super busty dancers include Jordan from BSC dayshift, Kendra and Honey on night shift. At HiLiter, check out Nicki on dayshift, and GiGi at night.
I had some free time on Sunday night. Decided to see if I could find the eureka that was reviewed a few weeks ago. So found the club and went inside. Paid a 7 dollar cover to get in. After coming in to find 4 dancers sitting around and 2 customers sitting at the bar I was very disappointed. No girls on stage and the cocktail waitress wouldn't walk the 10 feet from the bar to my table. The talent looks like the day shift crew is still here. Lots of extra pounds to be found. The best thing was a tall blonde that looked about 5 months pregnant.
To say I won't repeat is an understatement.
I made a second trip to BML Sunday afternoon. My first visit the two dancers I sampled worked hard, and one got me off. This time both dancers teased a lot, but neither was all that interested in helping me reach my goal. Beauty did do some nice hand action, but Trinity wouldn't even let me touch her boobs or ass.
Not much fun for the money. Damn.
Higgs Boson
04-04-17, 19:30
It's been a busy few months and difficult to find the time to file reports on club visits. Me and the rest of the black van contingent take turns in front of DrPoon's place, monitoring his communications and making copies of his hard drive files. Visiting the clubs is a nice change from the monotony.
Rather than composing a visit-by-visit report, I'll save time and organize a report by club.
Essex. Been making occasional visits here, usually accompanying a former dancer. Wednesday nights are dollar drink nights on a menu of beverages that satisfies most people. The DJ occasionally announces other drink specials. Cover is $10 and the club can get crowded some nights. The attraction is the cheap drinks and that doesn't necessarily translate into rent money for the dancers. While I was seated at the bar a couple months ago, Paris said hello, then backed her caboose into the siding until it hit the bumper. Called to the stage, Paris had to leave but dancer Tiny took her place.
Last Wednesday, instead of my usual place at the bar I decided to take a table seat near the second stage. I was approached by a tall-in-her-heels (perhaps 6'3") light complexioned slender black dancer with a pretty face, natural A / B breasts and a three syllable name that was difficult to hear through the music. After a short conversation with her cuddling on my lap, she decided I needed a massage. Now, I'm not usually into massage unless I'm doing it and involves natural breasts, but this dancer really seemed to know how to do it on my back, neck, and shoulders. I really appreciated it. Shortly after, we found a nice place for some dances. I liked her a lot.
My favorite place for dances at Essex is the slightly elevated area with the cushy seating directly across the the bar. Beware: at one time, floor dances were $5 and this elevated area was $10 a dance but some dancers charge $15. I once had a dancer claim it was $20. It's not a bad idea to ask a dancer what the rate is before she starts any dances in this area. The current VIP room rate is $25 a dance.
T & A on Central: I stopped by here three times, all Tuesdays, in the last 6 weeks. Uneven. Seems as if a whole new set of dancers on each visit. Almost had my eye taken out by an especially large piece of nipple hardware on the first one. I do not like nipple jewelry and rarely get dances with the women who have it but it's not always easily to pick out when they have their tops on. Decent dance except for the eye incident. The next visit, I was targeted by a semi-thick latina with small naturals. I don't favor most of club latinas but this dancer really turned on the charm and seduction. I enjoyed the time and floor dances I spent with her. My third visit to T & A was a complete disappointment. I sat, had a beer, then left.
Alaskan Bush: similar to T & A, three visits to check things out mostly because I was hoping to meet a dancer I encountered in November. No luck on that count. All three visits were consistently disappointing. Obviously, YMMV and you might find the dancer of your dreams here but none of the dancers did it for me. One of these Tuesday nights there was a storm that hit the west side of town and the ABC door person waved me in, no cover, because they just reopened after a power outage shut them down. According to him because of the outage half the dancers left, so my dream dancer might have left but my experience at this club is pretty consistent: not good.
Dirty's: the night of the power outage I drove by Dirty's and it was completely closed. I've stopped by there now and then later in the evening. Once I stopped by between Midnight and 1 PM and all the dancers had left.
Chicas: Tuesdays seem to a bad time to visit this club. Well, admittedly it's not a great night for any club. Dropping by Chicas after a night of music downtown, there are typically 6-8 dancers, and about the same number of customers. If you like plain latina dancers, it's a good spot on a Tuesday night. One of my dancer contacts was there Sunday night and says the place had plenty of thick latinas with fake boobs and fake butts but also about 6 black dancers, all with natural bodies. Wish I had been there.
Mink, formerly Exotica, T & A on Grand, the Body Shop, etc. : the place is zombified. Open, closed, after hours club, rumored to be a dance club for awhile (you dance), closed, then reopened again as a strip club. I dropped by the week after they reopened and met black dancers Poetic, (nice face, slender build, B / C breasts) and Fun-size (yes, she was short, medium build, A breasts, cute face). That was the entire dancer roster when I dropped by at Midnight. A week later about the same time, most of the dancers had left but Fun-size stayed and we got some nice dances. I didn't visit this club last week.
That's my update report. It's about time to take my turn sitting in the black van outside DrPoon's place.
Higgs.
Ideal being a Tuesday night and not very busy but plenty of attractive dancers especially earlier around 10 PM. I left about 1:15 am and with Higgs stopped in briefly at Bandaids.
BigTim "blew his wad" with one great gal he enjoyed. I had 4 out of 5 great dancers who responded to my kind of snuggling and massage and Higgs who came a bit later than us seemed to have met a great gal with lots of talk and dances.
A dancer I had a lot of good discussion with confirmed it is widely known the owners are negotiating to buy Centerfolds. She has interesting background and was hired directly by the older brother of the family.
I still had in my mind the old issue that dancers couldn't be topless after 1 AM. But shortly after 1 no signs of such a restriction on stage or in our laps. As I left I talked to nice doorman who has been there 3 years. He knew about the 1 am rule. I still have no idea what this is since in the past Hi-Liter was the only one that seemed to enforce it. Nice doorman said it had not been enforced for the 3 years he has worked at the club. So my info is from long ago. Been going here for like 20 years!
Always great to get together BigTim from my old home State and of course Higgs.
BigTim before Hi-Liter had been at his beloved Bourbon Street. Bad news one of our favorite dancers now got herself injected. Huge round bolt ons. Another dancer he met even remembered me. I had to look her up to recall who she was but yes had some great times with her. I joke that BigTim knows my favorite dancers better than I do. I just don't recall names from months ago without checking my after reports I keep for myself.
An enjoyable night dancing with some great gals and our old gang together again when BigTim is in town.
Arrived at Bandaids about 1:30 but didn't stay long. No dancers on stage since all 2 or 3 were in the VIP. Looked like non dancer women were with guys in bar area but nothing really going on in the Stage room close to closing at 2 AM.
Ideal being a Tuesday night and not very busy but plenty of attractive dancers especially earlier around 10 PM. I left about 1:15 am and with Higgs stopped in briefly at Bandaids.
BigTim "blew his wad" with one great gal he enjoyed. I had 4 out of 5 great dancers who responded to my kind of snuggling and massage and Higgs who came a bit later than us seemed to have met a great gal with lots of talk and dances.
A dancer I had a lot of good discussion with confirmed it is widely known the owners are negotiating to buy Centerfolds. She has interesting background and was hired directly by the older brother of the family.
I still had in my mind the old issue that dancers couldn't be topless after 1 AM. But shortly after 1 no signs of such a restriction on stage or in our laps. As I left I talked to nice doorman who has been there 3 years. He knew about the 1 am rule. I still have no idea what this is since in the past Hi-Liter was the only one that seemed to enforce it. Nice doorman said it had not been enforced for the 3 years he has worked at the club. So my info is from long ago. Been going here for like 20 years!
Always great to get together BigTim from my old home State and of course Higgs.
BigTim before Hi-Liter had been at his beloved Bourbon Street. Bad news one of our favorite dancers now got herself injected. Huge round bolt ons. Another dancer he met even remembered me. I had to look her up to recall who she was but yes had some great times with her. I joke that BigTim knows my favorite dancers better than I do. I just don't recall names from months ago without checking my after reports I keep for myself.
An enjoyable night dancing with some great gals and our old gang together again when BigTim is in town.
Arrived at Bandaids about 1:30 but didn't stay long. No dancers on stage since all 2 or 3 were in the VIP. Looked like non dancer women were with guys in bar area but nothing really going on in the Stage room close to closing at 2 AM.Yes, I always have a great time with Higgs and Dave. Hi-lier is the best club for all three of us, as far as atmosphere and the lineup of dancers. However since I started out earlier in the evening at Bourbon, I arrived at Hil-liter with limited funds. So yes I did spend all my limited funds (about 60 to 70 dollars) on just one dancer. A young blonde gal from New Jersey with a east coast accent. Limited funds means limited fun, but that's OK. So will be back later to tryout VIP.
We had lots of conversation about the status of local clubs in the valley. Not sure when I get back to AZ, but we always connect for a joint club experience. We may have to try out a new club next time.
Higgs Boson
04-11-17, 04:00
I had a break from the van duty outside DrPoon's place and did a shift on the black helicopter. The helicopter is one of those special stealth models, just like what Delta Force uses. This helicopter with muffled blades can hover right over DrPoon and he doesn't know we're there. Sometimes we give him a little puff of chemtrails to keep him under control.
I mentioned Chicas in my previous post. What I forgot to mention was the incredible changes to the interior of this club. On a recent visit, the dancers were absolutely no distraction, so I looked around and realized the place was transformed. People who remember it as Mustang Sally's would hardly recognize the interior.
My past visits were short and I didn't stick around but during my recent visit, another customer decided to buy me a beverage forcing to make a visit to the men's room. Holy cow! No longer did the men's room look like something in a undeveloped country. It was almost approaching classy if you think an enclosed stall is classy. It's nothing like the men's room at Sugar 44, but definitely rivals Bandaids in that area.
A couple of new items: I'm told that Friday afternoon is the time to find black dancers at Chicas. I suspect this coincides with payday among the "no-collar" customers.
Secondly: Chicas has bought the adjacent property. Currently this has a convenience store that has been shuttered for a long, long time. I believe the two share a common wall. It's unknown just how Chicas will use this space. Chicas doesn't has a license for a full bar, only for bottle beverages, so speculation says it may result in a nude area as done by Les Girls, ABC and former Centerfolds. We shall see.
Higgs.
Higgs Boson
04-11-17, 04:23
Was driving by today and noticed cars & the front door open.
Stopped and went in and met with a construction supervisor who seemed nervous that I was in the building.
Anyway they have completely trashed the interior (which I always thought was first class).
The guy said they plan to reopen in two months. (Not sure what they plan to reopen as tho)
Another promise which we can wait to see if actually happens.
DN.Great report, DN. Indeed, it wil be interesting to see where this goes.
I agree the previous interior was unrivaled among the Valley's clubs. Opulent is a word I like. I probably missed the real heyday of this club but I had some interesting experiences in the sunken areas and some out-of-the-way corners. I sometimes ran into Dave experiencing some great dancer over in a corner.
What seemed to really change the club was a new manager. I personally noticed that dancer behavior became highly regulated on the main floor. Plus, major portions of the club was roped off and made inaccessible to customers and dancers. I personally believe the changes were made in an effort to push customers to an upstairs VIP / champagne area. I think attendence suffered in consequence.
It will be very interesting to see how they change the interior but I think the core problem of customers remains. IMO the local H*oneywell plant provided regular clientele. Also, the business threat of a reopened Pink Rhino down the street looms.
Thanks, DN for taking initiative.
Higgs.
Got Intel that Mya no longer works at Blue Moon sadly.
Dick North
04-12-17, 17:12
Great report, DN. Indeed, it wil be interesting to see where this goes.
I agree the previous interior was unrivaled among the Valley's clubs. Opulent is a word I like. I probably missed the real heyday of this club but I had some interesting experiences in the sunken areas and some out-of-the-way corners. I sometimes ran into Dave experiencing some great dancer over in a corner.
What seemed to really change the club was a new manager. I personally noticed that dancer behavior became highly regulated on the main floor. Plus, major portions of the club was roped off and made inaccessible to customers and dancers. I personally believe the changes were made in an effort to push customers to an upstairs VIP / champagne area. I think attendence suffered in consequence.
It will be very interesting to see how they change the interior but I think the core problem of customers remains. IMO the local H*oneywell plant provided regular clientele. Also, the business threat of a reopened Pink Rhino down the street looms.
Thanks, DN for taking initiative.
Higgs.Higgs, you are correct with your impression of the problems with this club. I have had a number of conversations with the famous Mustang and she was very upset with the manager. That manager was transferred to the Tempe location and Mustang called them to warn them of her failures. Her management led to a number of good dancers leaving, particularly those racially or ethnically unappealing to this manager.
To me dancer diversity is critical to the success of any club.
DN.
Big Glenny
04-15-17, 11:58
Got Intel that Mya no longer works at Blue Moon sadly.That stinks. She was my only reason for visiting that place. Extremely friendly even though a troubled past. Curious to hear what she is doing now.
That stinks. She was my only reason for visiting that place. Extremely friendly even though a troubled past. Curious to hear what she is doing now.Don't know much about her troubled past but on previous visits she did inform me on what she did for a living before she started dancing. I wish her well.
Anyone know what days Ava works at Blue Moon? Heard she is back want to catch her on my next visit.
I stopped in yesterday for a little after lunch entertainment. I always take a while to survey the options because I have a limited budget and I don't like to waste it. I was happy when Butterfly stopped by. When she turned and her nice little B's where within reach I reached for a feel and got pushed away. The only time I could touch was when she was pressed against my chest. This went on for two dances. I then had a sweet Taiwanese with nice DD's and I got the same routine however she did allow me to discreetly reach in her thong for a feel. I then had a sweet Latina and she told me the rules had changed and there was no touching because the cops had stopped in a couple of days before.
I do enjoy this club because there are plenty of attractive dancers and they always come around and offer their company.
Bigtim note. And my old home town where strip clubs are very low contact anyway are in the news for body fluids found!
Star Tribune April 15,2017 Highlights.
Minneapolis leaders are taking steps to crack down on downtown strip clubs after two recent investigations revealed health and safety risks at several venues.
Every worker in our city deserves a safe environment," xxx said. "These businesses are allowed to operate in our city, so what can we do to make sure that these places are doing business in a way that keeps the community as safe as possible?
In February, a Minneapolis Health Department sweep of the city's 17 licensed adult entertainment establishments identified bodily fluids at 11 venues. Shortly afterward, a report showed that strip club employees face on-the-job health and safety hazards but have few protections.
Both investigations zeroed in on VIP rooms, where patrons pay to spend time alone with entertainers. In the UROC report, entertainers said customers often expect sexual contact in the VIP rooms and have been known to use force when it doesn't happen.
Of the 11 venues where health department inspections found bodily fluids, all but one have private or semiprivate spaces.
The venues where bodily fluids were identified were declared a public health nuisance under state law.
http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-city-council-takes-steps-to-regulate-strip-clubs/419515293/
Also video showing specific club and a dancer who complained video by WCCO is at
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/category/news-local-news/3642130-strip-club-study-findgs-vip-rooms-unsafe-for-entertainers
Dave,
I forgot to tell you about this report the last time we toured. Yes, Dave, you sure get around to finding all this info. Dancers are subject to all kinds of "germs". I always note in the bathrooms how many men do not wash their hands on the way out. Ouch! Also dancers have to be up close, subject to breath, germs, colds, etc. I remember a club (long since closed) many years ago, where a "friend" (ha, ha) saw a dancer wipe up semen into a pillow on the sofa. Eekk for the next customer! So this report doesn't surprise me that much, although Mpls is home to many rather tame clubs. I have a dancer friend that says every strip club has seen some sexual acts happen. As a customer I have been to clubs where I can't believe it happens there, but you never know.
Dave, I always note in the bathrooms how many men do not wash their hands on the way out. Ouch! Also dancers have to be up close, subject to breath, germs, colds, etcI like the few dancers that have you use hand sanitizers. I have a few in my car and use them before and after I go in. The body fluids were I assume semen not germs. Similar reports in some of the Ontario clubs.
Of course I am for bathroom hand washing, but don't need to tip a guy to hand me a paper towel like often at Hi-Liter.
New to the area. Been twice in the last couple of weeks both times very good atmosphere and layed back place. Good quality of entertainers. All very friendly. Had some good time on the floor and the VIP area. Over all a good experience. Looking forward to going again.
Was in Phoenix about a month ago and a lot has changed. The downtown Christie's locatin has closed. WWent to the one on baseline and it looked a little quieter than when I used to go 4 or 5 years ago. Still decent quality of girls but less quantity. Maybe it was the night we went (wed). Jaguars has gone downhill, mainly because of clientele, very " thuggish".
Went looking for some day time action during the day on Thursday and chicas was closed, essex was a dump, they had maybe 2 over weight girls max and rough looking crowd mostly there to drink. Alaskan Bush company was similarly dead. I liked Hi-liter, decent quantity and quality of girls. Have had success taking girls home from here in the past. Lots of latinas.
All in all still a lot better bang for your buck.
Danimal Forth
04-29-17, 21:29
Not as many familiar faces around Bandaids these days. One new one came up to the bar and asked me to buy her a drink. My cash was depleted but I offered her a few bucks anyway. That wasn't going to cover whatever she wanted to buy so she tried to demand tips on both sides of her thong and stormed off. Stay away from a dark-skinned girl named Savannah. Absolutely hate that attitude.
For what it's worth, I've heard from multiple people at multiple clubs (who all previously worked at Centerfolds) that they fully expect that Centerfolds will be open again sometime this summer under new ownership. I don't know if that will happen or not, but it gives me some hope given that it came from multiple people. BTW, I've run into former Centerfolds dancers at Hi-Liter, Bourbon Street and Sugar44, I've heard several have moved to Scores also. I'm still wondering where Jayden went though (search jaydentayloraz on YouTube), so if you know shoot me a PM.
For what it's worth, I've heard from multiple people at multiple clubs (who all previously worked at Centerfolds) that they fully expect that Centerfolds will be open again sometime this summer under new ownership. My sources say the same but I understand if there is a new owner there may be a problem with the liquor license since too close to a Church or. School? Old owners were grandfathered from what I understand. No application has been filed yet with the liquor board as far as I can tell. If the city objects which they do in almost all license transfer cases, a hearing will be needed and more delays.
I was pleasantly surprised that Hi-Liter got their renewal earlier this year without a hearing. Especially after the raid. Maybe it helped that Bandaids got renewed but only after ownership was changed from the "dirty" brother to the father.
My sources say the same but I understand if there is a new owner there may be a problem with the liquor license since too close to a Church or. School? Old owners were grandfathered from what I understand. No application has been filed yet with the liquor board as far as I can tell. If the city objects which they do in almost all license transfer cases, a hearing will be needed and more delays.
I was pleasantly surprised that Hi-Liter got their renewal earlier this year without a hearing. Especially after the raid. Maybe it helped that Bandaids got renewed but only after ownership was changed from the "dirty" brother to the father.From what I understand it is the zoning. The liquor license is not dependent on churches. The zoning is. There is a church next to the pawn shop on 19th ave just north of Peoria that is within range. It may stop it.
Hello fellows here is a summary of my last few escapades to my 2 faves. These occurred mostly during the day time between 1-2 pm. First up Chicas. This place has been taken over by the cuban ladies. Still good milage and prices per dance. Plus the talent is mostly above 7 on my 1-10 scale. I have been having great results with Estrella, great lady huge rack and ass plus great attitude. Alondra, also nice man made rack and firm ass. And Bonita, at least I thing that's her name. Slim petite with Bs but a great ass and firm legs. All dances with them had great mileage and if you can speak spanish then you can also have a great conversation. I been meaning to check out their cage fight but haven had a chance to and also been looking for Karen, tall older Mexican woman who is in great shape.
Now for Bandaids, not very happy with the I'd thing but I like the place. The mixed drink could be better but I have stated sticking with beer here. This place has also been taken over by the cuban ladies. The slimmer cuban girls have great rhythm and now how to use it. I've noticed I get ignored by the ebony dancers and that sucks because I love their dark complexion but I'm not about to chase them to get a dance. Also I met a gorgeous Mexican girl, who is a high 8 on my scale of 1-10, but I just can't remember her name and I have only seen her once but wow I would love get dances from her again.
Any how that's all for now, but I'm planning to stop by on Thursday and see what else I can report on.
BTW.
I saw this pic on BP and I wanted to ask, If I remember corretly this is the the same restroom layout as the BM right? Although I don't remember seeing her there.
First up Chicas. I have been having great results with Estrella, great lady huge rack and ass plus great attitude.This sounds like Estrella that has worked at Bandaids for about a decade!
I was in the area and stopped in briefly to Bandaids last week during the day. Didn't report since nothing very noteworthy. But of course had to have my one dance with Estrella. Now she is at Chica's or a different Estrella. She has a routine, will also ask if want to go to the VIP, even though she knows me and that I never do the VIP. When I say the usual one dance afterward she keeps wanting me to do more. It's kind of like she has an auto mode she goes into and with the same dance routine. She is a nice gal but was far more attractive to me before she got enhanced.
No application has been filed yet with the liquor board as far as I can tell. If the city objects which they do in almost all license transfer cases, a hearing will be needed and more delays.There is a license application on file. You can see it by going to www.azliquor.gov and searching for license # 06070280.
There is a hearing scheduled during the Phoenix City council meeting on 5-10-2017. I would be willing to wager anyone hear that it will be denied. Politicians always vote down these because it looks bad for them. The liquor board will then get the appeal and they are more likely to approve it if they can get around the zoning issue. Most likely if the liquor board does not approve it they will sue in federal courts.
From what I understand it is the zoning. The liquor license is not dependent on churches. The zoning is. There is a church next to the pawn shop on 19th ave just north of Peoria that is within range. It may stop it.I believe your right. If can't get zoning right can't get liquor license is my understanding which is just logical.
Dick North
05-02-17, 18:55
Heard today from a dancer at Sugar44 that Centerfolds is being acquired by HiLiter.
She said the liquor license will transfer.
We will see.
DN.
I belive its a different Estrella, the one at Bandaids is tall wears glasses and a bit pushie, plus the one I'm speaking about I have never seen at Bandaids. The one I see at Chicas is more of a MILF type lady a bit shorter but with huge naturals and has a great attitude. The Estrella at Bandaids is gorgeous but her pair are man-made.
This sounds like Estrella that has worked at Bandaids for about a decade!
I was in the area and stopped in briefly to Bandaids last week during the day. Didn't report since nothing very noteworthy. But of course had to have my one dance with Estrella. Now she is at Chica's or a different Estrella. She has a routine, will also ask if want to go to the VIP, even though she knows me and that I never do the VIP. When I say the usual one dance afterward she keeps wanting me to do more. It's kind of like she has an auto mode she goes into and with the same dance routine. She is a nice gal but was far more attractive to me before she got enhanced.
I belive its a different Estrella, the one at Bandaids is tall wears glasses and a bit pushie, plus the one I'm speaking about I have never seen at Bandaids. The one I see at Chicas is more of a MILF type lady a bit shorter but with huge naturals and has a great attitude. The Estrella at Bandaids is gorgeous but her pair are man-made.Thanks for confirming not the same. Yes, Estrella of Bandaids wears glasses and not natural.
On May 10 the city of Phoenix city council formal meeting is going to debate the license and vote on it. Likely they will vote it down because all politicians do not want to be seen supporting an adult establishment.
Almost all adult license application are challenged by the City of Phoenix but most get renewed or granted. Sometimes a public hearing is required. Ownership transfer depends on the background of the owner, which is why Bandaids had to get one of the sons off the license. Only the father was acceptable.
If turned down can appeal or possibly file a lawsuit.
The liquor application was filed 3/23/2017 and is pending. I have been monitoring the board meeting minutes and schedule but it hasn't shown up there yet. The city has 60 days from the 3/23 date to recommend approval or not. The application is supposed to be acted on within 105 days which puts it in July. This date can be extended however if the Board wants to hold hearings.
There is still the potential zoning issue being too close to a School which the City will consider.
On May 10 the city of Phoenix city council formal meeting is going to debate the license and vote on it. Likely they will vote it down because all politicians do not want to be seen supporting an adult establishment.
Almost all adult license application are challenged by the City of Phoenix but most get renewed or granted. Sometimes a public hearing is required. Ownership transfer depends on the background of the owner, which is why Bandaids had to get one of the sons off the license. Only the father was acceptable.
If turned down can appeal or possibly file a lawsuit.
The liquor application was filed 3/23/2017 and is pending. I have been monitoring the board meeting minutes and schedule but it hasn't shown up there yet. The city has 60 days from the 3/23 date to recommend approval or not. The application is supposed to be acted on within 105 days which puts it in July. This date can be extended however if the Board wants to hold hearings.
There is still the potential zoning issue being too close to a School which the City will consider.I do not think there are any schools nearby. There is a church however. It is on 19th Ave just north of Peoria Ave sharing the same building as North Phoenix Pawn Shop. It is the Sinagoga De Restauración Para Las Naciones church at 10618 and 19th Ave.
Arizona Revised Statutes 13-1422 state:
An adult oriented business shall not be located within one-fourth mile of a child care facility, a private, public or charter school, a public playground, a public recreational facility, a residence or a place of worship. For the purposes of this subsection, measurements shall be made in a straight line in all directions, without regard to intervening structures or objects, from the nearest point on the property line of a parcel containing an adult oriented business to the nearest point on the property line of a parcel containing a child care facility, a private, public or charter school, a public playground, a public recreational facility, a residence or a place of worship. An adult oriented business lawfully operating in conformity with this section does not violate this section if a child care facility, a private, public or charter school, a public playground, a public recreational facility, a residence or a place of worship subsequently locates within one-fourth mile of the adult oriented business.
This church is definitely within a quarter mile in a straight line. This church may stop it in the zoning laws.
I stopped in at HL and had a couple of dances. I had a beautiful young Latina and decided to go to VIP which I had never frequented there. I did not get much more contact than on the floor. I may try again with someone else.
I moved on to Bandaids. It is a different atmosphere and different style of girls, however it is a much looser operation. I had a couple of OK dances and then a lovely young girl sat down on my lap for a talk. I rubbed her ass a bit and slipped my hands down a bit lower where her pants were rather wet. She smiled and said she gets excited pretty easy. After a couple of min I rubbed her front side through her panties and she smiled and said you found my sweet spot. I ask for a dance and ended up with five dances on the floor where she allowed me full access. I like to get them to talk dirty so I ask if she likes her pussy liked and if she likes girls which she loves. I told her I bet she was a good cocksucker and she said yes and likes to swallow. Toward the end I ask if she does work on the outside and she said she might. I did end up getting her number and price (80/120) which sounded like a bargain. After thinking about it I have reservations whether I should try her out. I had a vision of a boyfriend coming in for payback but I did keep her number.
PhillyFan45
05-05-17, 22:32
Only one way to find out. Call her and bring it up then.
I stopped in at HL and had a couple of dances. I had a beautiful young Latina and decided to go to VIP which I had never frequented there. I did not get much more contact than on the floor. I may try again with someone else.
I moved on to Bandaids. It is a different atmosphere and different style of girls, however it is a much looser operation. I had a couple of OK dances and then a lovely young girl sat down on my lap for a talk. I rubbed her ass a bit and slipped my hands down a bit lower where her pants were rather wet. She smiled and said she gets excited pretty easy. After a couple of min I rubbed her front side through her panties and she smiled and said you found my sweet spot. I ask for a dance and ended up with five dances on the floor where she allowed me full access. I like to get them to talk dirty so I ask if she likes her pussy liked and if she likes girls which she loves. I told her I bet she was a good cocksucker and she said yes and likes to swallow. Toward the end I ask if she does work on the outside and she said she might. I did end up getting her number and price (80/120) which sounded like a bargain. After thinking about it I have reservations whether I should try her out. I had a vision of a boyfriend coming in for payback but I did keep her number.
I stopped in at HL and had a couple of dances. I had a beautiful young Latina and decided to go to VIP which I had never frequented there. I did not get much more contact than on the floor. I may try again with someone else.
I moved on to Bandaids. It is a different atmosphere and different style of girls, however it is a much looser operation. I had a couple of OK dances and then a lovely young girl sat down on my lap for a talk. I rubbed her ass a bit and slipped my hands down a bit lower where her pants were rather wet. She smiled and said she gets excited pretty easy. After a couple of min I rubbed her front side through her panties and she smiled and said you found my sweet spot. I ask for a dance and ended up with five dances on the floor where she allowed me full access. I like to get them to talk dirty so I ask if she likes her pussy liked and if she likes girls which she loves. I told her I bet she was a good cocksucker and she said yes and likes to swallow. Toward the end I ask if she does work on the outside and she said she might. I did end up getting her number and price (80/120) which sounded like a bargain. After thinking about it I have reservations whether I should try her out. I had a vision of a boyfriend coming in for payback but I did keep her number.I used to date a dancer. Trust me, yYou do not want to get into this. Do you really want to be on a list of sugar daddies for all dancers to beg for money when they are down? Do you really want to have your cell # in her phone history so when police investigate they find you (This happenned to me). I literally had a pimp that was trying to kill me after I stood up to him for mistreating the girl and I had to carry a 9 mm everywhere I went. I had to bail her out of jail on 3 separate occasions. When I dated her I got to know several other dancers that were here friends and they were all the same. Most of the women that are into this are either on drugs before they go there or start doing drugs after they start dancing so they will literally do anything to get money. My ex girfriend dancer stole my checkbook and forged my signature and completely drained my checking account! Even when I broke up with her I ended up having to go to the courts to get a no contact order because she kept on coming to my house to beg for money at 3 am in the morning! I saw some girls that would arrange for a meeting with a John that she met in the club after work and when the John got there a guy came out and mugged them! These girls are programmed to get money for themselves in any possible way they can and they will eat you alive! I know from experience and that is why I tell people this so they do not have to go through what I did! Enjoy these girls but enjoy them at the club and leave them there! You will save yourself a lot of headaches. I wish I would have known this before I picked one up and started a relationship!
Sugar 44.
Reading some good recent reviews on decided to stop in Friday 5/5/17 arriving at 5 PM and leaving at 6:30.
I am going bonkers trying to find when I last visited Sugar. I know I did once long, long ago. With my analytical record keeping CPA background I have notes from every club I've visited here and in Canada since about 1998. Since I have massive information both for business and personal on my computer I love Copernic Desktop Search that searches all my drives (have about five on main PC (and five 28" monitors). But I can find nothing for "Sugar 44" Some "Sugar"'s as in sugar baby and dancers names but not sugar the club. (caps not important). I can only conclude it was pre about 1998.
Ahhhh. Update. It was named "Bombshells" before Sugar. I found my report. I was there in September 2010!
Forward to the present. I may have found a new favorite club!
I do recognize the layout.
Parking lot almost full and both coming and going me or another car had to back up since you can't squeeze two cars coming and going (unless tiny) by each other in the driveway.
VERY dark coming in from the bright sun. Even after standing at the end of the bar waiting maybe 5 minutes it was still very hard to see. I carefully went into the dance area stage left thought I was at a chair but did a very smooth almost sit on the floor which would have been a good joke if caught on tape. I recovered and found it wasn't a chair but kind of the thing that sticks up at the end of the benches. OK. Old can't see Dave makes it to a nice bench where I can sit without falling to the floor.
I like the bench seats vs. Chairs at a table. They are still $10 dances and don't have to worry about the chair moving with a dancer. Sort of like the wall at Hi-Liter but costs is $15/ dance. I like that a dancer can sit with you on lap on a wider bench.
They have a one-drink minimum so had to get my usual "Diet Coke or Pepsi" which was $5.
Enough of the logistics how about the dancers?
While the bar area was packed, there were less than about 10 guys in the dance area which surprised me on a Friday late afternoon. When I left at 6:30 there were only 4 of us left. Not many dancers but enough and was satisfied with the number that approached me.
I met four dancers all who sat down and talked. No want to dance flybys. All were attractive to old Dave (slenderish and naturals not larger than C which is my type. A couple of them enjoyed my massage so much did for a few songs "off the clock. ".
Mocho. Black, from the East Coast. Immediately liked my bit of massaging her while talking. Had a really tight spot on the back said from working out. Nice chat. I believe she is the dancer that said use to work at Christe's in Phoenix. Very nice two dances a 4 on my 0-5 intimacy scale with 5 rare. For those that follow me you know, I have no interest in extra's or anything needing the VIP, just quality high touch sensual interaction.
Kelly. A bit older Blonde nice chat and body but. Just did one dance. Wanted to get me to the VIP. Just one dance and 2 on my intimacy scale.
Amy. Shorter really, really nice. Dancer here for a long time but said doesn't dance much more just with customers. From NM. That was odd since she was called up on stage when our time was over. Loved my massage and told me "your so sensual I love it. " Yep, my type of dancer. A rare 5 on my intimacy scale and did 2 dances and some massage.
Veronica. Attractive tall, good chat use to work at Centerfolds. She looked so tall when came over as did the attractive slim dancer just on stage with those almost like stilts black shoes that she clicked together etc. I have no idea how women can stand up with those big spiked heels. Veronica looked like 6 feet tall when walked over, which I like since I'm almost 6-2. But she said only 5'7" rest was the heels. After good talk interrupted since she had to go on stage. Since it was 6:30 with only 4 guys left in the dance area, (but bar stools about filled) and I had my need for good sensual touch fulfilled I decided to bail. Traffic going back North on the 51 should be cleared by now and wanted to get back home about 7 PM to turn on the air since electric rate so much cheaper on my APS plan after 7 PM.
One of the other dancers earlier had to go on stage just before we were going to dance. She left her bra on my bench which was a good idea. I was approached by another dancer (who I would have liked to dance with but she disappeared later). I just showed her the bra that I was taken but come back later.
For spending only $56 including a drink, it was very enjoyable.
Perhaps since this is a smaller? Club it might be easier to find dancers I like to repeat with vs. The larger clubs I. E. Hi-Liter where almost never find the same dancers that I would like to repeat with since so many.
The Phoenix City has the issue as item 16 on the 5/10/2017 Agenda whether to recommend approval of the liquor license transfer.
At least three protest letters have been filed by local businesses who are concerned about the location and its negative impact on the neighborhood and further challenges the crime problem.
The City staff recommends disapproval noting the Phoenix Police recommendations to disapprove and input from the community.
Phoenix Police object citing the background of the six "Z" family members and specifically violations at other clubs they own specifically:
In August 2015, the Hi-Liter owned by four "Z" family members was the site of Phoenix Vice undercover operations. In addition to individual charges against dancers, the Dept of Liquor Compliance Unit charged the business with 13 counts of prohibited sex acts and one count of solicitation of prostitution on the premises. The result was a $4000 fine.
In March 2016 and October 2016, due to ongoing complaints of misconduct, investigations resulted in 36 counts of prohibited sex acts and one count for the licensee's failure to maintain capability, qualification, and reliability. These charges are currently pending administrative action from the Department of Liquor Compliance Unit.
Talks about the various "Z" family members running other clubs including "PZ" who provided false information to the Liquor Board regarding the Pink Rhino license in the annual renewal documents. Charges are currently pending.
Under A. Are. S. 4-201 "The applicant bears the burden of proof showing that the public convenience requires and that the best interest of the community will be substantially served by the issuance of a license. ".
Discusses the high crime rate, poverty and transient issues in the Centerfolds area. The rate of violent and property crimes for the area is nearly three times the city's average. Mentions the homicide resulting in the revocation of prior owners license in January 2017.
Concludes that the transfer of the liquor license to the "Z" family is not in the best interest of the community.
Dave notes:
Oh Canada! Without the silly restrictions on contact in most cities other than in B. C. Ontario liquor board has no restrictions and the Canadian Supreme Court ruled decades ago under the old law that strip clubs could not be charged as bawdy houses as long as no "penetration. ".
I was pleasantly surprised when the Hi-Liter liquor license was renewed a few months ago without a city objection. However, since charges from the Vice operations are still pending the concern is that the Hi-Liter license is still at risk of being revoked.
I have seen the City object to many strip club license transfers over the last few years, but most seem to get granted over the objection of the City. So we shall see probably in June or July what action the liquor board will take. It is not yet on the June Agenda.
At least the 1999 strip club ordinance has not been enforced strictly for many years. I wonder what exactly they are considering "prohibited sex acts. " Almost any dance today violates the 1999 law. For a few years, dancers could not sit in laps but had to have legs straddled over the arms of a chair. TV report exposed the fact that many undercovers would spend long nights undercover looking for the slightest contact. Technically a fully clothed hug violates the city ordinance since even covered breasts can not touch each other's bodies. How silly but that was enforced for a few years.
I spoke before the City Council in that infamous long meeting which also made swing clubs illegal. Other than some "church ladies" and the leader of the Christian group the wrote the law for the city almost everyone one objected to the new ordinances. But after the long hearing into the late night, the City ignored all the against input and passed it unanimously.
I knew some of the club owners and represented one at the Strip Club Owners Association that formed under the leadership of Damien owner of Alaskan Bush. An owner I know had to pay a fine and shut down for a few weeks for the slightest contact observed by undercover's spending long nights at the club.
As I have always "preached" don't take it too far at a club. If you want HJ's or worse, go elsewhere and of course never offer money for sex, since in the USA That is illegal prostitution. With the lesser enforcement of the far more strict rules from 1999, the problem is if you give guys an inch with some nice non-sexual contact they will take a mile. And that may spoil it for us that enjoy good human sensual contact at clubs but not sexual contact.
Thanks for the update DavePHX. The morality police really irks me. Guns are used in crime everyday, yet they are not shutting down gun & pawn shops. Banks are robbed all the time yet are not shuttering up banks. A jewelry store down the street from me was robbed the other week, couldn't I argue that they are attracting an unsavory element and lowering my property value? Churches have covered up the raping of children at Catholic churches for years and yet those same Catholic churches were never shut down. Seems like a lot of selective outrage to me. Sorry, rant over. Oh, and I agree about Sugar44, it's a nice little club.
The Phoenix City has the issue as item 16 on the 5/10/2017 Agenda whether to recommend approval of the liquor license transfer.
At least three protest letters have been filed by local businesses who are concerned about the location and its negative impact on the neighborhood and further challenges the crime problem.
The City staff recommends disapproval noting the Phoenix Police recommendations to disapprove and input from the community.
Phoenix Police object citing the background of the six "Z" family members and specifically violations at other clubs they own specifically:
In August 2015, the Hi-Liter owned by four "Z" family members was the site of Phoenix Vice undercover operations. In addition to individual charges against dancers, the Dept of Liquor Compliance Unit charged the business with 13 counts of prohibited sex acts and one count of solicitation of prostitution on the premises. The result was a $4000 fine.
In March 2016 and October 2016, due to ongoing complaints of misconduct, investigations resulted in 36 counts of prohibited sex acts and one count for the licensee's failure to maintain capability, qualification, and reliability. These charges are currently pending administrative action from the Department of Liquor Compliance Unit.
Talks about the various "Z" family members running other clubs including "PZ" who provided false information to the Liquor Board regarding the Pink Rhino license in the annual renewal documents. Charges are currently pending.
Under A. Are. S. 4-201 "The applicant bears the burden of proof showing that the public convenience requires and that the best interest of the community will be substantially served by the issuance of a license. ".
Discusses the high crime rate, poverty and transient issues in the Centerfolds area. The rate of violent and property crimes for the area is nearly three times the city's average. Mentions the homicide resulting in the revocation of prior owners license in January 2017.
Concludes that the transfer of the liquor license to the "Z" family is not in the best interest of the community.
Dave notes:
Oh Canada! Without the silly restrictions on contact in most cities other than in B. C. Ontario liquor board has no restrictions and the Canadian Supreme Court ruled decades ago under the old law that strip clubs could not be charged as bawdy houses as long as no "penetration. ".
I was pleasantly surprised when the Hi-Liter liquor license was renewed a few months ago without a city objection. However, since charges from the Vice operations are still pending the concern is that the Hi-Liter license is still at risk of being revoked.
I have seen the City object to many strip club license transfers over the last few years, but most seem to get granted over the objection of the City. So we shall see probably in June or July what action the liquor board will take. It is not yet on the June Agenda.
At least the 1999 strip club ordinance has not been enforced strictly for many years. I wonder what exactly they are considering "prohibited sex acts. " Almost any dance today violates the 1999 law. For a few years, dancers could not sit in laps but had to have legs straddled over the arms of a chair. TV report exposed the fact that many undercovers would spend long nights undercover looking for the slightest contact. Technically a fully clothed hug violates the city ordinance since even covered breasts can not touch each other's bodies. How silly but that was enforced for a few years.
I spoke before the City Council in that infamous long meeting which also made swing clubs illegal. Other than some "church ladies" and the leader of the Christian group the wrote the law for the city almost everyone one objected to the new ordinances. But after the long hearing into the late night, the City ignored all the against input and passed it unanimously.
I knew some of the club owners and represented one at the Strip Club Owners Association that formed under the leadership of Damien owner of Alaskan Bush. An owner I know had to pay a fine and shut down for a few weeks for the slightest contact observed by undercover's spending long nights at the club.
As I have always "preached" don't take it too far at a club. If you want HJ's or worse, go elsewhere and of course never offer money for sex, since in the USA That is illegal prostitution. With the lesser enforcement of the far more strict rules from 1999, the problem is if you give guys an inch with some nice non-sexual contact they will take a mile. And that may spoil it for us that enjoy good human sensual contact at clubs but not sexual contact.The liquor license is only the first step. After it is complete they will have to be granted a zoning license (this may be troubles per my previous post) and then they will need an SOB (Sexually Oriented Business) license and this could be trouble because of all the violations you just discussed.
They shut the Catholic Church down in England and changed it to the Church of England. And you're right only government agents should have guns they are the only ones trustworthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLMYet the catholic church down the street from me remains open as does the pawn shop that sells guns. I demand they be closed lest my property values will sink and children will not be able to leave their homes.
Will be in Phoenix for a couple days in July with my wife. Would like to take her to a club where I could get her a VERY naughty lap dance. (touch her and maybe kiss her) Any suggestions to which may be the best chance for this.
Arizona Junkie
05-08-17, 15:39
I've had a handful of trips to the HL over the past month, and I have come to really dislike their new LED lighting. It makes the dancers look purplish, and highlights (no pun intended) every flaw, zit, or other imperfection in their skin. I think they had some black lights before, but they didn't have the same effect as these new LEDs. Has anyone else noticed? All of the dancers I spoke with hate them.
Higgs Boson
05-09-17, 20:09
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As I have always "preached" don't take it too far at a club. If you want HJ's or worse, go elsewhere and of course never offer money for sex, since in the USA That is illegal prostitution. With the lesser enforcement of the far more strict rules from 1999, the problem is if you give guys an inch with some nice non-sexual contact they will take a mile. And that may spoil it for us that enjoy good human sensual contact at clubs but not sexual contact.I think your spelling or grammar checker, or autocorrection interferred with your post (smile). My editing would be HJ or better. But with discretion.
Higgs.
Higgs Boson
05-09-17, 23:39
StopIt cited the ARS.
Arizona Revised Statutes 13-1422 state: (early section edited out for space) An adult oriented business lawfully operating in conformity with this section does NOT (my emphasis) violate this section if a child care facility, a private, public or charter school, a public playground, a public recreational facility, a residence or a place of worship subsequently locates within one-fourth mile of the adult oriented business.This part would seem to cover any existing adult oriented business. A question might be whether a lapse in activities at the adult oriented business, as has happened at Centerfolds, means anything. The nature of the facility hasn't changed.
It would appear that the cited place of worship arrived after Centerfolds opened for business many years ago. Who knows what other church or school is renting space in the nearby office parks. As you drive around the Valley, note the store fronts and business spaces occupied by charter schools and churches.
Other people here may have seen the posted notice in front of Centerfolds in March and April. The notice was for a future hearing on the transfer of the liquor license to an LLC associated with person with a surname starting with Z.
I am not a lawyer (or play one on TV) but the facility is already an adult oriented business and has been in this location for a long time. Granted, not as long perhaps as T&A, Bandaids and or Hi Liter, but still over ten years. Is this strictly a case of transferring a liquor license?
Starting from new, there are very few locations in the valley within a city limits that would allow an adult business except areas such as the city landfill (Xplicit), or industrial / business areas (perhaps ABC, Dirty's, Essex. Many of these clubs, except for Xplicit, are probably within 1/4 mile of residences.
To report on what I saw recently, I went by Centerfolds and drove around the back a couple weeks ago. A back door was open and a worker was, well, I guess working. On a day last week, I noticed three white SUVs in front the club. It appears someone is preparing the facilities.
Historical tidbit: more than one person, new to the Valley, wondered why some clubs are where they are. ARS and City Ordinances are two reasons. Long time residents may remember Teasers (now Dirty's) was originally located on the SE corner of Camelback and 7th Avenue. Then the coming of light rail construction meant the building was in the way. The law said that the City was supposed to assist affected businesses with relocation but the mayor at the time didn't want to help an adult business. I don't recall what exactly transpired but eventually Teasers got placed in it's current location. I think it's an old P1 zza Hut.
Higgs.
Reported by abc15 news at 10, mentioned the death and that the city said no to reopen but no other details.
I am not sure if just recommends no to Liquor Board and up to them. Or, could be a refusal of any city license required or zoning.
If just the recommendation to the Liquor Board they don't always follow the city recommendations.
Reported by abc15 news at 10, mentioned the death and that the city said no to reopen but no other details.
I am not sure if just recommends no to Liquor Board and up to them. Or, could be a refusal of any city license required or zoning.
If just the recommendation to the Liquor Board they don't always follow the city recommendations.It is just a recommendation. The liquor board will now vote on it. The liquor board historically is a bit more favorable to these places because it is not made up of elected officials that are trying to get re-elected. Of course, that seems to not have stopped our president DJT in the he owns a strip club in his casino in Atlantic City (Scores at the T- Taj Mahal). Arizona has a very high Mormon population though and they do not like hedonistic endeavors. I am sure that the Z family will threaten to sue if the liquor board does not approve.
Hi-Liter / Centerfolds at City Council 5/10/2017.
Denise A. Of City prosecutors office listed reasons to deny liquor license as I highlighted in my prior report.
David D. , the attorney for the applicant argued the applicant was qualified. He pointed out only 100 days since the last owner was operating it and this is a new owner well qualified and approved on other sexual orientated business licenses and liquor licenses. The police report focuses on individuals that own less than 10% of the corporation seeking the license. Only Mr. X has over 10% ownership (note The Hi-Liter "Z" family are minority owners, the 10% owner has no violations in previously business (I don't know who this is).
David D continued mentioning the murder but new ownership has nothing to do with it etc. He acknowledged the 3 letters from the community about the bad nature of the area. He pointed out that it has been worse since Centerfolds closed since transients started living there and being outside of the building. Points out has no connection of any ownership with the prior Centerfolds owners.
Jack G. Also talked in favor of the liquor license for the new owner. He is an Arizona native and has been a firefighter since 2005 in I believe Dear Valley. He has worked for the "Z" family at strip clubs for 19 years as a doorman and has ever had any issues. Jack is large (broad shoulders fireman look type) older guy with bushy gray mustache partly balding on very top / gray hair. I don't recognize him to know which club he works at. Jack talked about how concerned the new owners are about the safety of both staff and customers. They have an arrangement with a cab company who takes patrons who need a ride home. If they are unable to pay the club has a policy it will pay to be sure they get home safely. They are hands on owners vs other conglomerates from outside the State that doesn't have hands on experience.
Next, a detective from Desert Horizon precinct spoke against the proposal to approve of license. Points out that the LLC is owned by nine members (most Z family that owns Hi-Liter). Goes into their citations for prohibited sex acts and other violations at Hi-Liter which is owned by four family members that are also part of the Centerfold applicants, and failure of the LLC to fully disclose financial documentation.
The detective then talks about the over 40 citations of Hi-Liter for prohibited sex acts etc. , as I detailed in a prior message from the police report. And the latest 32 citations are pending action. "The prohibited sex acts were so numerous and blatant the managers / owners should have known this was happening. " Talks about Patrick Z who also owns Pink Rhino and submitted false and misleading documents for which action is still pending.
Next Lance of Carlson Manufacturing in opposition. They have about 50 acres in the area with their main entrance directly across the street from Centerfolds. He argues since Centerfolds closed there has been less crime. He says for a period from 2014 until Centerfolds closed they had 150 incidents of break-ins of cars, damage, drunk patrons that ended up on our property etc. At their location. Since Centerfolds closed have had only 3 incidents. So have gone from about 5 incidents a month to less than 1.
Next Marcia business owner directly behind Centerfolds for 40+ years with 40 employees. Sadly the area has deteriorated from being very nice to many problems since Centerfolds opened. Many patrons having sex, drinking, drugs and leaving disgusting things on her property. It was sick to see such things from Centerfolds on our property "I could almost cry". The area was part of the revitalization plan for Phoenix and they had hoped to bring it back to good and an area you could be proud of, rather than be ashamed of it. Progress was made until Centerfolds and since it closed the problems have stopped. "This liquor license will destroy us so we oppose it. ".
Women that is the apartment manager nearby opposes and with similar complaints about the patrons of Centerfolds. Tenants complain that when they walk to the park they have to go by Centerfolds and children and others have to see the terrible things they see by patrons at this location.
Church pastor for 29 years of nearby church opposed. Worked with a list of community groups to improve the neighborhood. They have various recovery ministries including one on sexual addiction. For reasons others have pointed out it has no benefit but a negative to the community so strongly oppose the license.
Motion for denial of unanimously approved.
Next was approval for funding for repairs of city basketball hoops and backboards which was less controversial with no opposition!
My wife and I used to love this place. We'd go in, get a girl up to VIP for 20 bucks a song (some would try and sucker you and say 20 bucks EACH per song so we'd always ask before). Anyway, always great dances with lots of mutual touching. Since they closed, we have no clue where to go and / or where some of our favorite dancers went. So two fold question.
What club is loosest like we thought Christies was (the one on baseline isn't for sure, it's just ok). We're huge tits fans too but maybe asking too much for big tit focused and loose rules.
Second. Anyone know where gypsy (great tits), madison (great ass, pierced nipples) and Celeste (great dances) went?
Birthday coming up, need to get this figured out quick! Ha ha.
Dave's Midnight wandering.
I remember one of my favorite dancers at Hi-Liter Valencia who I met months ago on a Sunday night who said she often works that night. Sadly since I meet so many dancers I can't recall what exactly she looks like but hopefully some Sunday night she would approach me again.
I arrived a bit before midnight. Not busy but still quite a few dancers and customers. Not many table dances however and looked like very limited contact. Some of the gals wore more body suits? Not two pieces so can't really take their tops off. A few were cuddled up with friends (not dancing) but not much skin exposed either. I was approached just standing want to dance type by one who was too large body type for me and another fully dressed. From what I was seeing with the limited number of table dances concern that the mention of the 32 citations pending may have had a chilling effect but will be interested in seeing other reports. I left close to 12:30 giving up on dances and by then there were maybe less than a dozen guys and dancers were starting to leave. If I got into any good discussion with a dancer wonder if she would know who the fireman bouncer of 19 years at one of the Z family clubs.
Decided to check out Sugar 44 where I had a good time about a week ago during the day. Arriving about 12:30 maybe only six guys in the dance area and about five gals and a gal at the bar. Seemed only about 2 dancers were dancing and the stage was empty most of the time. No one was working the floor and none of the guys were doing any table dances. Probably just wrong time to have much activity. I had my required one drink of diet Coke for $5.
Was about to leave when a very talented dancer was really working the pole well with athletic ability. This drew the crowd of about five from the bar area and the gal played with her on stage. Two other guys started tipping her on stage. She was tall and much taller with those huge black heels, long hair down to mid back, slender. My type. Didn't think I had much of a chance vs the tipping guys and the group from the bar. After she finished she went to back areas beyond the bar (restrooms?) and I gave up and left.
Thought I'd do last resort of Bandaids but late nights lately have not had attractive dancers. More the rough and huge gals. I asked the door guy if he knew a Jack the fireman that has worked for the Z family for 19 years. He had worked at Bandaids for 3-years and had no idea who he was.
Not very busy maybe 15 guys in the dance area and a bunch at the bar. I do my usual initial stand by the door checking things out for awhile deciding if I should stay and sit down or not. Some of the dancers were attractive. Soon "Ocean" approached me at my "stand". Started a nice conversation and looked cute in her glasses and had a nice body. Off we went for a few dances. She was very nice and about a 4 on my 0-5 intimacy scale.
Then Kelly sat beside me on a bench (not in the lap which I prefer). However we got into a very good conversation and she loved my massaging her neck / shoulders etc and didn't want me to stop, although it was a bit awkward her beside me on a bench which I like better than the chairs, rather than back to me like on the chair. She kept saying how nice it was. My hands were getting tired. Then a couple dances which were very nice, although she is not my preferred body type. A bit larger body wise and huge breasts that are not my thing. Yet had a good time with her about a 3 (average) on my intimacy scale but a 5 for personality and friendliness. Before the dances she had to go on stage and said would be back. Very tiny Axxxxx? Asian gal sat next to me. Between her accent and the noise of the music couldn't understand what she was saying but just told her I was waiting for Kelly who was on stage and she finally left as Kelly came back from her dancing. Now about 1:30 AM only a few guys left and dancers leaving so I headed North for home.
Had a good time at here Wednesday night. I showed up about 930. The dance area was dead while the bar had about 8 guys and several dancers standing around. I got a beer and went into the dance area and there was only 1 other guy and 2 girls. After a couple of beers and about 30 minutes, more girls started coming in and things got better. Ended up getting several dances from 4 different Latin girls. All were at least a 6. One was just OK but the other three really got into it and allowed my hands to roam as much as I wanted. All three of these girls let me know that they partied outside of work. I've had girls tell me this before but never three at the same club within a hour. Two of them were from out of town but the third lived in the West Valley. I'm still debating on whether or not to take her up on it. She was smoking hot and for what she was offering, the amount she wanted was in my opinion a great deal. We'll see. Have fun and be safe guys!
Have to host a bachelor party this weekend. Any recommendations for a group of 9 guys? We're staying in North Scottsdale but will be down south. Trying to find a good place without a ridiculous cover. Thanks!
Have to host a bachelor party this weekend. Any recommendations for a group of 9 guys? We're staying in North Scottsdale but will be down south. Trying to find a good place without a ridiculous cover. Thanks!Greetings,
What club you pick really depends what you are looking for. Read the past 5 to 10 pages for home work to see which clubs offer what you are looking for. If you are looking for the best line-up of gorgeous dancers, reasonable drinks, and hands on dances for $20, Bourbon is for you. If you need more ethnic dancers, more contact, more chubbies, etc. Look elsewhere. For a group I stand by my recommendation. Others, please chime in. Big Tim47.
I was sent a private message on Saturday 5/20 about this:
"I was sitting near VIP today when some guy walked along the VIP wall, holding his cell phone over the wall, I'm pretty sure he was taking a video of VIP, one booth at a time. He wasn't trying to hide what he was doing. I thought the bouncers would pounce on him, but no one approached him. Then, he went behind the bar and seemed to be checking things out, looking under the counter, and so on.
"He wasn't wearing any uniform or displaying any I'd. I'd never seen him before.
"My guess is that he was a liquor control agent. That's the only explanation I come up with.
I replied:
This is probably related to the 32 illegal sex acts citations from a few months ago which are still pending admin action by the liquor commission. Sad if the VIP activities ruin things for the main floor area. Obviously, this is bad.Let's be honest here Dave, they could probably shut down every club in town if they wanted to. It's starting to seem a bit like a vendetta. Perhaps they are not paying off the right people.
Took 7 guys there. Bourbon Street was just going to be way too much, $1 k, plus I was the only one that really drinks liquor. Talent was pretty good. Met some fun girls there and the Bachelor had a great time.
Also, $10 lap dances? What a bargain!
I stopped by Hi-Liter around midnight Sunday night. Nice chat and a few dances with two gals and I talked to one of the bouncer / doormen.
None of them had heard of what was described. However, none of them worked Friday afternoon (I believe that was when the report was for).
Bouncers were watching floor dances making sure no breast contact, although I saw that violated a few times. Most dancers seemed to be trying to avoid. It was not very busy.
There is another report from Saturday that bounces were going around warning guys no touch allowed. It wasn't that strict when I was there Sunday night just no breast touching.
One dancer told me some guy did a live video to Facebook of her in the VIP but she didn't tell me when. There is a report from Sat that something happened in the VIP and bouncers tossed guy out after a scuffle. This may have been the facebook taping incident, not the Friday incident.
Dick North
05-22-17, 16:42
The stated purpose of this forum is:
"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. ".
Some of you seem to be intent upon reporting on any supposed or alleged improper activity which is contrary to this forum's purpose.
DN
ps. This is the USA not Canada.
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