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Hey folks, will be visting Philly in a couple weeks.
Can someone help me out and give some advice on where the fun is?
Thanks.I also will be visting Philly soon.
A while back somebody posted about using Google maps street view for those of us who have never been there to get a up close look of the K Ave. I have found this to be very helpful to to see the places that the past posts of girls have been seen, 7-11, Dunkin D, Martins Etc, It also shows you the one way streets so as to give LE one less reason for you to get pulled over for going the wrong way.
I find that just reviewing the posts from the last 2-3 weeks and Google maps should help for my first stroll,
But I have a couple of places that I could not Locate from a post, one there was a post "saw her down by the Mission" is that on the K..? I did a google search which showed some in Philly, but not on the K.
Also the "Woodshed area" If somebody can give me some cross streets that would help me out (unless that is a street, but googled it with no return, unless I spelled it wrong)
Thanks for any help
thaalphaomega
01-09-09, 10:03
Its been a while since a been on the K. Are the girls still kind of hesitant toward brothers of a darker color?
Dark Phoenix
01-09-09, 12:27
But I have a couple of places that I could not Locate from a post, one there was a post "saw her down by the Mission" is that on the K..? I did a google search which showed some in Philly, but not on the K.
Also the "Woodshed area" If somebody can give me some cross streets that would help me out (unless that is a street, but googled it with no return, unless I spelled it wrong)
Thanks for any help
If I'm not mistaken, the "Mission" is on Kensington Ave at the south end, near Boston Street and right near where it bends and turns into Front Street.
The "Woodshed" is a seedy adult bookstore at Kensington and Hart Lane.
John Jitbag
01-09-09, 23:56
Does anybody know if little blond Nicole is still around the K?
Its been a while since a been on the K. Are the girls still kind of hesitant toward brothers of a darker color?
There are always girls out there for some reason or another that have
preferences no matter what. I've tried picking girls up and they would
ignore me and later find out once I did date them that they didn't like
dating guys with expensive cars because they usually found them to
be cheap, or I was too old, or some girls say they won't date young guys
or spanish guys or black or asians. We have that everywhere, but like
everything else in the world it's how you approach the girl and act with
her that really matters the most.
I think most of the girls out there (99%) appreciate any date who is going
to treat them nice and bring them back without harm.
If I'm not mistaken, the "Mission" is on Kensington Ave at the south end, near Boston Street and right near where it bends and turns into Front Street.
The "Woodshed" is a seedy adult bookstore at Kensington and Hart Lane.
Here is a pic of the Mission
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=2400+Kensington+Ave,+Philadelphia,+Philadelphia,+Pennsylvania+19125&sll=37.09024,-95.712891&sspn=58.076329,81.035156&ie=UTF8&cd=5&geocode=FbYkYgIdSJSF-w&ll=39.986944,-75.130734&spn=0.006963,0.009892&t=h&z=17&g=2400+Kensington+Ave,+Philadelphia,+Philadelphia,+Pennsylvania+19125&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=39.987037,-75.130579&panoid=oyNSiQLgSNJ4yhixF1SyEA&cbp=12,162.31500665589303,,0,4.7989502043783885
And one of the Woodshed
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=2900+Kensington+Ave,+Philadelphia,+Philadelphia,+Pennsylvania+19134&sll=37.09024,-95.712891&sspn=58.076329,81.035156&ie=UTF8&cd=3&geocode=Fc49YgIdicGF-w&ll=39.992123,-75.121422&spn=0.006962,0.009892&t=h&z=17&g=2900+Kensington+Ave,+Philadelphia,+Philadelphia,+Pennsylvania+19134&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=39.992075,-75.121503&panoid=aEJXPv5rw5GXrM_t-Gl5hg&cbp=12,131.2109128414854,,0,5
Davey,
Would you or anyone else happen to have a pic and/or pic link for back pack Jen? And does anyone know when she normally hangs out?
I dont believe there are any pics of her on the forum, but she is easy
to recognize. She is about 5'5, of medium build, not skinny but just
right, past her shoulder natural dirty blonde hair, usually in a pony tail
and I have never in the last five years seen her without her signature
backpack.
As to where to find her is the tough part. She is one girl that kinda
blends in with the area and she never stays still and doesn't make
eye contact with every car. She usually starts out walking around
Somerset and many times will go all the way to DD before getting a
date.
I saw her just yesterday but already just finished another incredible date
with Johanna and was just doing a little window shopping before going home.
Supereloquent
01-10-09, 11:31
There are always girls out there for some reason or another that have preferences no matter what. I've tried picking girls up and they would ignore me and later find out once I did date them that they didn't like dating guys with expensive cars because they usually found them to be cheap, or I was too old, or some girls say they won't date young guys or spanish guys or black or asians. We have that everywhere, but like everything else in the world it's how you approach the girl and act with her that really matters the most. I think most of the girls out there (99%) appreciate any date who is going to treat them nice and bring them back without harm. I agree with Davey. The girls reflect the more tolerant and enlightened society in which we live today (thank goodness). It is more the way you look and act that causes them second thoughts rather than anything which is skin deep. In all my mongering efforts I have only been turned down by a SW twice: once by Cheryl for asking too many questions (in her opinion) and raising her suspicion that I was LE (I assume), and another light blond, hair to shoulders thin SW with a pretty face and a sharp nose (no pics on the forum that I can see) that I see all the time between Venango down to Ontario. Why the blond is not interested is anyone's guess: maybe she thinks I look like LE; maybe she only dates regulars; maybe she is VERY particular and doesn't need the money that much; maybe she is actually a civilian who just walks the K a lot. Who knows? If anyone has the skinny on this SW, please let me know.
But most SWs will appreciate your business as long as you don't set off any alarm bells with them regarding LE suspicion and that you are normal and nice and not some kind of kook or crazy.
I dont believe there are any pics of her on the forum, but she is easy
to recognize. She is about 5'5, of medium build, not skinny but just
right, past her shoulder natural dirty blonde hair, usually in a pony tail
and I have never in the last five years seen her without her signature
backpack.
As to where to find her is the tough part. She is one girl that kinda
blends in with the area and she never stays still and doesn't make
eye contact with every car. She usually starts out walking around
Somerset and many times will go all the way to DD before getting a
date.
I saw her just yesterday but already just finished another incredible date
with Johanna and was just doing a little window shopping before going home.
Pictures? Did someone ask for pictures? Say no more. Follow this link Jen.
Pictures? Did someone ask for pictures? Say no more. Follow this link Jen.
Great pics, great girl..but not "back pack" Jen
Sir Strict
01-12-09, 10:07
The redhaired Jen I was with did not have a backpack. Picked her up near Castor. Said she was from the pinelands lived in K for two years.
Told me a story of kidnapped by a guy posing as a cop, took her to south Philly, blinded & handcuffed, kept her for 4 hours before she could escape.
Testified against the guy for rape, he apparently had the same MO for other SWs.
She has long redhair hair in ponytails, looks more like the girl you'd do under the bleachers, then you'd find on the Ave. Said she worked mornings and daytimes.
The redhaired Jen I was with did not have a backpack. Picked her up near Castor. Said she was from the pinelands lived in K for two years.
Told me a story of kidnapped by a guy posing as a cop, took her to south Philly, blinded & handcuffed, kept her for 4 hours before she could escape.
Testified against the guy for rape, he apparently had the same MO for other SWs.
She has long redhair hair in ponytails, looks more like the girl you'd do under the bleachers, then you'd find on the Ave. Said she worked mornings and daytimes.
She must have left her back pack home that particular day. Yes that is
Jen. Scary story and glad she got out of that one OK. Too many girls
out on the streets don't testify against these thugs and they get away
with it for years.
Broke the chain and made a run for the K at about 7:00. Action was light. Hooked up with Sandy. She was about a 6-7 over all. She made acccomodations at her friends place. 5 for BBBJCIM and FS with swimsuit. I got her digits. She cautioned me that a provider name Angle is HIV positive and working that K. Red Hair and freckles. Be safe and wear your hard hat when working.
The redhaired Jen I was with did not have a backpack.
Told me a story of kidnapped by a guy posing as a cop, took her to south Philly, blinded & handcuffed, kept her for 4 hours before she could escape.
Testified against the guy for rape, he apparently had the same MO for other SWs.Until I saw this report I'd forgotten about this sadistic POS loser and the reports on the board when he was arrested that mentioned how Jen was one of his victims. At the time it sounded like LE was looking at him very hard. Doing a little checking I see his name was Salvatore Longo. There are news reports about his trial in August 08 but I don't see any reports about how the trial ended. Please tell me he didn't get off. Anybody know what happened?
Until I saw this report I'd forgotten about this sadistic POS loser and the reports on the board when he was arrested that mentioned how Jen was one of his victims. At the time it sounded like LE was looking at him very hard. Doing a little checking I see his name was Salvatore Longo. There are news reports about his trial in August 08 but I don't see any reports about how the trial ended. Please tell me he didn't get off. Anybody know what happened? Court Docket says he's got another hearing coming on Jan. 26. Ton of charges
Start Room Judge Name
Time
Schedule
Start Date
Case Calendar Event
Type
11/06/2008 11:00 am 505 Trial Commissioner Russell
Joell
Formal Arraignment Scheduled
Pre-Trial Conference 12/03/2008 9:00 am 1103 Judge Rose DeFino-Nastasi Scheduled
Scheduling 12/15/2008 9:00 am 707 Judge Rayford A. Means Scheduled
Conference
Status Listing 01/26/2009 9:00 am 707 Judge Rayford A. Means Scheduled
CONFINEMENT INFORMATION
Still in
Custody
Confinement
Reason
Destination
Location
Confinement
Type
Confinement
Known As Of
01/31/2008 County Jail Curran-Fromhold Corr. Fac. Yes
DEFENDANT INFORMATION
Date Of Birth: 07/11/1967 City/State/Zip: Philadelphia, PA 19148
CASE PARTICIPANTS
Participant Type Name
Defendant Longo, Salvatore
Until I saw this report I'd forgotten about this sadistic POS loser and the reports on the board when he was arrested that mentioned how Jen was one of his victims. At the time it sounded like LE was looking at him very hard. Doing a little checking I see his name was Salvatore Longo. There are news reports about his trial in August 08 but I don't see any reports about how the trial ended. Please tell me he didn't get off. Anybody know what happened? Also says his bail is 250 thousand hope this helps anyone wanting to know about this scumbag. T
Date
Orig Seq.
1 61 18 § 3121 §§ Rape Forcible Compulsion 12/28/2007 N5388692
2 62 18 § 3123 §§ IDSI Forcible Compulsion 12/28/2007 N5388692
3 63 18 § 3121 §§ Rape Threat Of Forcible Compulsion 12/28/2007 N5388692
4 64 18 § 2902 §§ Unlawful Restraint/ Serious Bodily Injury 12/28/2007 N5388692
5 65 18 § 907 §§ Poss Instrument Of Crime W/Int 12/28/2007 N5388692
6 66 18 § 2701 §§ Simple Assault 12/28/2007 N5388692
7 67 18 § 2705 §§ Recklessly Endangering Another Person 12/28/2007 N5388692
8 68 18 § 2903 §§ False Imprisonment 12/28/2007 N5388692
9 69 18 § 4912 §§ Impersonating A Public Servant 12/28/2007 N5388692
10 70 18 § 6105 §§ Possession Of Firearm Prohibited 12/28/2007 N5388692
11 71 18 § 6106 §§ Firearms Not To Be Carried W/O License 12/28/2007 N5388692
12 72 18 § 6108 §§ Carry Firearms Public In Phila 12/28/2007 N5388692
13 73 18 § 3124.1 §§ Sexual Assault 12/28/2007 N5388692
14 74 18 § 3126 §§ Indec Asslt-W/O Cons Of Other 12/28/2007 N5388692
15 75 18 § 3127 §§ Indecent Exposure 12/28/2007 N5388692
16 76 18 § 3123 §§ IDSI Threat Forcible Compulsion 12/28/2007 N5388692
99999 6 18 § 2701 §§ Simple Assault 11/01/2007 N5388692
99999 7 18 § 2705 §§ Recklessly Endangering Another Person 11/01/2007 N5388692
99999 3 18 § 2901 §§ Kidnapping For Ransom 11/01/2007 N5388692
99999 4 18 § 2902 §§ Unlawful Restraint/ Serious Bodily Injury 11/01/2007 N5388692
99999 8 18 § 2903 §§ False Imprisonment 11/01/2007 N5388692
99999 1 18 § 3121 §§ Rape Forcible Compulsion 11/01/2007 N5388692
99999 2 18 § 3123 §§ IDSI Forcible Compulsion 11/01/2007 N5388692
99999 58 18 § 3124.1 §§ Sexual Assault 11/01/2007 N5388692
99999 59 18 § 3126 §§ Indec Asslt-W/O Cons Of Other 11/01/2007 N5388692
Until I saw this report I'd forgotten about this sadistic POS loser and the reports on the board when he was arrested that mentioned how Jen was one of his victims. At the time it sounded like LE was looking at him very hard. Doing a little checking I see his name was Salvatore Longo. There are news reports about his trial in August 08 but I don't see any reports about how the trial ended. Please tell me he didn't get off. Anybody know what happened?I forgot to mention that he's still currently in CFCF, hopefully on his way up state. For some reason when I pasted the info it may not have put things there that I was able to read.
T
Thanks T Shirt. Below is a link to big bad Sal, the man with the tiniest penis in town, who apparently never got over the fact his Mommy never told him she loved him. Poor baby. Hopefully his new friends in prison can give him the same kind of loving he gave those girls.
So what was the court action that happened back in August when Jen apparently testified? Was that just a pre-trial hearing, meaning she'll have to do it again?
http://www.kyw1060.com/.../1624567
Sir Strict
01-14-09, 16:26
Yes, that's exactly the guy, Jenn told me the store by using his name and told me he was in incarated.
She's a sweet girl, her mom found out about her occupation, I felt genuinely bad for her.
Here's hoping you get what you deserve Sal, you *****.
Supereloquent
01-15-09, 12:13
The SWs seem to be less plentiful in this frigid weather and, I suppose, who could blame them?
I saw Crissy on her favorite corner. She is in her 30s, but, cute, thin, sweet, skilled and fun. I was in the mood for a nice relaxed, WARM BBBJ, and not a car date in these freezing cold temperatures. I found a brand new indoor place which is quite convenient, nice and very reasonably priced.
Crissy did her usual A-rated job for enthusiasm, effort, skill and attitude. It was enough to make me consider sticking with my self-proven highly rated providers rather than searching for new possible gems on the Ave. Plus, in this weather it is difficult to see them well, all bundled against the cold. So perhaps my adventuresome spirit will have to wait until a winter heat wave or spring.
Supereloquent
01-15-09, 14:39
I finally got to sample this talked about morsel. At least I think it was "back pack" Jen. Her name was Jen; she had a back pack; she was strolling in an an area she has been reported to frequent; she wasn't really scoping out the traffic passing by (I actually had to park around a corner and engage her on foot) and some other reported characteristics applied: cute, sweet and spinner bod.
Had to do this one FS and indoors, which I did. My indoor research is paying off dividends with a number of nicer, cleaner, convenient and reasonable places. Jen gets an A both for S and F. She is actually a bit shy which is hot, yet quite willing to learn a few more tricks (my secret).
Supereloquent
01-15-09, 15:09
Last time I picked up this good looking young WSW I spooked her by asking a few too many questions and she actually got out of the car at a traffic light. I fould her in a very different place than before so she must have a wide range on the Ave. She either forgot the previous incident or gave me a second chance but she didn't hesistate to get in my car. All I was interested in this time was a good warm indoor FS with this hottie so I kept the conversation to a minimum beforehand.
Cheryl is definitely a 9 on my "K scale," a very pretty face, a firm body with nice tits and ass and her characteristic long light brown pony tail, pulled to one side. She is definitely more fun naked, warmed up, and sucking and fucking than she is conversing on the way there. I give her an A minus overall: an A+ for face and body and a B for attitude (just a tad on the cold side). One very good thing is that she never hurried and gave it 100% until the end. If she had a slightly better attitude this gal could be THE ideal date in the Ave. I attribute some of this to her tender age (21) and some to the fact that I got the impression she works for a pimp because she was a bit pushy on the price (but it has been my experience that anything can be negotiated to Ave rates if you seem to the SW to know what you are doing).
So damn cold out there it's difficult to see the few that venture out. Anyone have a line on some fake-tit hotties (even slightly warm will be great!)...thanks, Gareth. PM with digits and I'll see what digits I have.
Trashed201
01-16-09, 04:33
Picked up Jody Monday night sitting by the 7-11 phone. She's very pleasant and pretty. She's blond, 5'7 thin about 30. No rush good company. Unfortunately her skills were just average. She said she was feeling like a cold coming on so maybe she could be better. No digits and would give her a second chance if none of the all stars were out.
Driving through the city I decided to drive the K to observe. Did the standard loop and turned around near Torresdale. Noticed a monger turn onto K with a pretty well known SW in the front seat. No big deal right? He was now the car in front of me. Within 10 seconds a black SUV (chevy i think) is on my ass tailgating me like no other. The monger and I make the right onto Alegheny and the SUV follows, continuing to ride my bumper. All of a sudden I hear a siren, and the SUV lights up with strobes. I pull over to the right, thinking I have done something wrong, and he races past me and pulls over the monger. This is now on Alegheny, about half a mile away from the K.
This experience re-enforced my believes that it is too dangerous to pick up any ladys. If you are the person who was pulled over, please let us know what happened.
This vehicle showed no signs of being Leo. Be careful out there.
Thedarkstar
01-16-09, 17:31
Last time I picked up this good looking young WSW I spooked her by asking a few too many questions and she actually got out of the car at a traffic light. I fould her in a very different place than before so she must have a wide range on the Ave. She either forgot the previous incident or gave me a second chance but she didn't hesistate to get in my car. All I was interested in this time was a good warm indoor FS with this hottie so I kept the conversation to a minimum beforehand.
Cheryl is definitely a 9 on my "K scale," a very pretty face, a firm body with nice tits and ass and her characteristic long light brown pony tail, pulled to one side. She is definitely more fun naked, warmed up, and sucking and fucking than she is conversing on the way there. I give her an A minus overall: an A+ for face and body and a B for attitude (just a tad on the cold side). One very good thing is that she never hurried and gave it 100% until the end. If she had a slightly better attitude this gal could be THE ideal date in the Ave. I attribute some of this to her tender age (21) and some to the fact that I got the impression she works for a pimp because she was a bit pushy on the price (but it has been my experience that anything can be negotiated to Ave rates if you seem to the SW to know what you are doing).I also met Cheryl for the first time several days ago. She was hanging out by the Huntington station. Like you said she is cute and has a tight body. I only had a BBBJ with her, but I got her digits and will be setting up a FS date in the very near future.
Supereloquent
01-16-09, 19:45
Driving through the city I decided to drive the K to observe. Did the standard loop and turned around near Torresdale. Noticed a monger turn onto K with a pretty well known SW in the front seat. No big deal right? He was now the car in front of me. Within 10 seconds a black SUV (chevy i think) is on my ass tailgating me like no other. The monger and I make the right onto Alegheny and the SUV follows, continuing to ride my bumper. All of a sudden I hear a siren, and the SUV lights up with strobes. I pull over to the right, thinking I have done something wrong, and he races past me and pulls over the monger. This is now on Alegheny, about half a mile away from the K.
This experience re-enforced my believes that it is too dangerous to pick up any ladys. If you are the person who was pulled over, please let us know what happened.
This vehicle showed no signs of being Leo. Be careful out there.I have said this before, but make sure you drive like a little old grandmother, have your seat belt (and your passenger's seat belt) fastened, be very polite to Uncle LEO and your paperwork is in pristine order. Moreover, even in this cold weather, park a block away and engage the SW on foot. It is much easier that way to spot anyone following either on foot or by car and far easier to deny anything other than walking and talking with the young lady. If you pull over on K and allow a known SW to get in, you may as well hang a "follow and stop me" sign on your car for any observing LE. This is especially true for certain famous areas of K like near the franchise store named after 2 numbers we like to see come up playing craps and a certain subway stop that sounds like an area for shooting wild animals.
Well for all of you Gianna fans, she is still out there and doing fine.
Found her late last night and didn't even recognize her she was so
bundled up. She put on a few pounds and looked better than she has
in a while. Took off for a quick FS date as I had a curfew last night and
really needed to get home.
Last time I picked up this good looking young WSW I spooked her by asking a few too many questions and she actually got out of the car at a traffic light. I fould her in a very different place than before so she must have a wide range on the Ave. She either forgot the previous incident or gave me a second chance but she didn't hesistate to get in my car. All I was interested in this time was a good warm indoor FS with this hottie so I kept the conversation to a minimum beforehand.
Cheryl is definitely a 9 on my "K scale," a very pretty face, a firm body with nice tits and ass and her characteristic long light brown pony tail, pulled to one side. She is definitely more fun naked, warmed up, and sucking and fucking than she is conversing on the way there. I give her an A minus overall: an A+ for face and body and a B for attitude (just a tad on the cold side). One very good thing is that she never hurried and gave it 100% until the end. If she had a slightly better attitude this gal could be THE ideal date in the Ave. I attribute some of this to her tender age (21) and some to the fact that I got the impression she works for a pimp because she was a bit pushy on the price (but it has been my experience that anything can be negotiated to Ave rates if you seem to the SW to know what you are doing).
Now this girl I'm totally confused on who she may be. I'm going to have
to keep my eye on the signature ponytail. Busy season at work is coming
and my K time has been severely limited. Been depending mostly on
some phone numbers and hoping to have some luck with the limited time
I've been able to find to head out.
Forth Ryte
01-17-09, 09:17
.....Noticed a monger turn onto K with a pretty well known SW in the front seat. No big deal right? ......All of a sudden I hear a siren, and the SUV lights up with strobes. I pull over to the right, thinking I have done something wrong, and he races past me and pulls over the monger. This is now on Alegheny, about half a mile away from the K......If you are the person who was pulled over, please let us know what happened. ....This vehicle showed no signs of being Leo. Be careful out there.
On a few occassions when I've seen cars get snagged pulling over by an SW or after picking up an SW, I have tried to circle back a few minutes later and see what happened. A number of times I've seen the driver is in cuffs and the lady is not but she is talking to the officers and it was clear that she was ULE.
That could explain what happend here because from your description of the sequence, Anarchy, it sounded to me like the LEO SUV was not there at the moment of the pickup but came to get this guy like they knew he had a woman in his car. On the other hand, the report mentioned the monger had a "pretty well known SW" with him.
Anarchy, did you see the bust? I've always thought that, if the girl gets in to the car and you get away from the intersection, you are pretty safe. I hate to think that we have to follow the procedure recommened by Supereloquent (leave car, walk, meet, engage, walk back). Anyway, if LEO pulls over cars with "pretty well known SWs" in the front seat, it doesn't matter how cautious we are doing the pickup.
I'd love to know more details. Will the effected monger, please stand up?
-- Forth Ryte.
Texaco Tim
01-17-09, 12:57
As reported by Anarchy, I am also concerned what went down. No way a sting as they would never let the car leave the scene and only chase it with one SUV. Most likely as they traveled the K an undercover recognized the girl and as he followed was checking for any warrents on her. Once he got the green light, he acted. The lesson here is do not drive the Ave with your pick-up, as has been stated before by other members, get off immediatly to a side street. Remember the old song from the 60's "The night has a thousand eyes".
Supereloquent
01-17-09, 13:29
Now this girl I'm totally confused on who she may be. I'm going to have to keep my eye on the signature ponytail. Busy season at work is coming and my K time has been severely limited. Been depending mostly on some phone numbers and hoping to have some luck with the limited time I've been able to find to head out.DukePV has an older pic posted of her in his alphabetic index (before she started wearing her hair in a pony tail).
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46540
More recent pics of her were posted by a visiting monger.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64187
DukePV has an older pic posted of her in his alphabetic index (before she started wearing her hair in a pony tail).
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46540
More recent pics of her were posted by a visiting monger.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64187
I know her.. That's my pic I took of her. Haven't seen her
In quite some time. Nice boobs and a very meaty pussy if I
Remember correctly
Trashed201
01-17-09, 17:35
All the advice about getting of the K is on the money. In spite of this one must be prepared if that's even possible. A while back I picked up red headed Nicole on a side street. Turned around and was sitting at a light to cross the K. Even that little K exsposure was enough. I went thru the light across the K down the back streets only to be pulled over within a minute and severly harrassed. Only when I admitted why I was with Nicole did they let me go. My experience is telling the cops the truth is the best policy. As long as you have no drugs on you or are going to get them. Each time I've told LE I'm with a ho or cruising to pick one up I've been let go with a warning. They already know why were there I think they get a kick out of humiliating us and hearing the words. My rambling point is even the side streets aren't 100% safe if Le sees you with a SW.
I did not circle back because of how he was riding my ass, I diddnt want to get any unwanted attention. As far as the SW. I obviously cannot say with 100% certainty, but she looked very much like the girl that CJ has multiple photo shoots of. Her name is slipping my mind, but she is a bigger girl, brunette, and he has several photos of her with several different 3 sums.
The SUV had two people inside of it, and the comment about checking for warrants makes perfect sense. It certainly seemed as something happened for this thing to floor the gas, weave past me and between oncoming traffic.
Keep in mind that there may have been other officers, I just did not stay around to find out. I was really banking on the person being a member of this forum, that would of worked out perfect.
All the advice about getting of the K is on the money. In spite of this one must be prepared if that's even possible. A while back I picked up red headed Nicole on a side street. Turned around and was sitting at a light to cross the K. Even that little K exsposure was enough. I went thru the light across the K down the back streets only to be pulled over within a minute and severly harrassed. Only when I admitted why I was with Nicole did they let me go. My experience is telling the cops the truth is the best policy. As long as you have no drugs on you or are going to get them. Each time I've told LE I'm with a ho or cruising to pick one up I've been let go with a warning. They already know why were there I think they get a kick out of humiliating us and hearing the words. My rambling point is even the side streets aren't 100% safe if Le sees you with a SW.
All due respect, I would not recommend doing what Trashed has mentioned. You may have been lucky, but admitting to something like that is not a good idea. Of course being polite and responsive is well advised but admission of an illegal activity is not.
Dead out today though, guess its the cold, LE everywhere though, guess they were done with CC today.
Forth Ryte
01-18-09, 15:02
Only when I admitted why I was with Nicole did they let me go. My experience is telling the cops the truth is the best policy. . . . Each time I've told LE I'm with a ho or cruising to pick one up I've been let go with a warning. They already know why were there I think they get a kick out of humiliating us and hearing the words.
Definitely bad advice.
I have been stopped a few times -- sometimes before I pick up an SW, and at least once with an SW in my car -- and I never, never, ever admit to doing anything illegal.
"C'mon," they say, "we know why you're here. Just admit it." and maybe they even tell you "It will go much easier for you if you admit it." They act like they are your friends, giving helpful advice.
Trust me on this one. If they do not have proof you committed a crime, then admitting what you were doing is giving them the proof they need. They may tell you that you are making it easier for yourself but the only truth is that you are making their case for them.
One time, after insisting I did not know she was a working girl and thought she was only looking for a ride, they had to let me go and one of the officers turned to me and said, "You are one of the smart ones."
As you speak the words, "Yes, I am with a ho. I was just out for some fun" you need to hear the clink of a cell door.
-- Forth Ryte.
Trashed201
01-18-09, 15:33
You both are probably right and perhaps I've been lucky. It also might be hit and miss and depend who the cop is. I've been pulled over with a SW or just cruising the ave. At least a dozen times over 20 years. I've always admitted why I'm there figuring to lie would just infuriate LE since they already know why I'm there. The worst I've gotten is a traffic ticket for loitering one time. I've been told when let go if I'd lied they would have made it worse on me and I was smart not to insult they're intelligence. While overall with most Le this might be a bad move and I've been lucky I'll stick to what has worked for me.
Member #4581
01-18-09, 15:49
Anything you say can and will used against you in court of law... Don't be afraid to invoke your 5th Amendment rights. As posted numerous other times the following link while demonstrating a drug bust is equally correct if you get stopped for a 'ho different reason. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
Guysmiley1980
01-18-09, 17:26
A couple of months ago, someone had inquired about the status of SW further up in the Northeast and there had been talk about some merchandise being available on Torresdale Avenue. On Friday, I was driving around around 11AM and I passed by 2 WSW. The first one was on the East Side of the street and was about 21 years old with dark brown hair, brown eyes. It was quite cold out, so I can't tell you what the body looked like, but I can tell that she wasn't out of shape.
The second one was a bit older, I would venture a guess, to say that she was either late 30s or early 40s. She was standing on the West Side of the Street near Torresdale and Tyson (the little street south of Tyson). She had blonde hair and blue eyes and she looked to be healthy, as well. Unfortunately, a monger was in front of me, and he made a very quick turn onto the street and pulled over to invite her in. I couldn't partake, anyways, because I was on the clock.
Just wanted to add some information.
My experience is telling the cops the truth is the best policy. As long as you have no drugs on you or are going to get them. Each time I've told LE I'm with a ho or cruising to pick one up I've been let go with a warning.
I am not suprised that you have been correct by so many already. Admitting that you are in the process of attempting to break the law is never a good idea. My advice:
1)Always have a pausible story for being in the area, mabye even bring "props" to support your story.
2)Know your rights. After being cooperative and answering general question unless they find some evidence of a crime then LE has nothing to hold you on.
3)Limit yourself to one criminal activity at once. (ie don't monger while DUI is a possibility)
4)Limit risk as much as possible. I prefer not to monger too much at night when no sane person would be hanging out on the Ave. I also prefer to have my fun behind closed doors other than my car door. (Getting caught with your pants down is a bad idea.
The only time I was actually stopped with someone in the car we had stopped for some food and she was waiting in the car as I picked it up. As I was returning to the car I see her screaming out the window to one of her "friends". Out of the corner of my eye I see a LE cruiser rounding the corner. I kind of shush her but the driver sees me. I get in wait a few minutes and then pull away and I get about a block before I get stopped. We get an officer at each window and she tells the one at her that she is an addict. That made me a little nevous but I stuck to my story and I received a bs ticket which I later beat in court. We had an ok date afterwards but that was the last one with her for me!
News from Friday:
I was out for a bit on friday and LE seemed a little light but there was not much to look at either late morning to early afternoon. I heard from one young lady that LE had been busting ladies with fake Johns. That would make sense to me. Why have your ULE freezing on the streets catching Johns in the middle of the winter. I also heard that a much discussed private residence might have had an unmarked car watching it recently. The person who told me this said she was not sure they were there for the house but it did deture her client. I would recomend that you scout out that area before stopping in. I also saw a got to see a bit of a drug crack down between K and Frankford. That area has seem to become a big and obvious selling area in the last year. There were a few marker cars and even a drawn gun. That was enough of a day for me!
… being polite and responsive is well advised but admission of an illegal activity is not.
Good Advice!
…never, never, ever admit to doing anything illegal.
"C'mon," they say, "we know why you're here. Just admit it." and maybe they even tell you "It will go much easier for you if you admit it." They act like they are your friends, giving helpful advice.
Trust me on this one. If they do not have proof you committed a crime, then admitting what you were doing is giving them the proof they need. You may tell you that you are making it easier for yourself but the only truth is that you are making their case for them.
Admitting that you are in the process of attempting to break the law is never a good idea.
The one time I got stopped, with a girl in the car, I simply avoided giving a direct answer. I smiled, acted a little embarrassed, was polite and said nothing. When asked if I knew the girls name I answered, "No!" When asked why I was in the neighborhood, I said, "Shopping!" The cop said he knew why I was there and what I was doing. He asked me to admit it and tell him the truth. I looked at him, with my mouth closed and with as dumb of an impression on my face as I could muster. (If he knew so much there was no need for him to ask and no need for me to answer.) But, I remained polite. I was given a small lecture before they drove away with the girl.
There is no law against stopping to give someone a ride. However; I wouldn’t lie directly to an officer, that is likely to piss him off. I recommend keeping your mouth shut when ever possible. It is also a good idea to have a pre thought out reason for being in the area.
CookyJar
…a much discussed private residence might have had an unmarked car watching it recently. The person who told me this said she was not sure they were there for the house but it did deture her client. I would recomend that you scout out that area before stopping in.
Damn! Damn! Damn!
CookyJar
It's up to the le to prove that you have done something illegal, not you.
Sir Strict
01-19-09, 11:37
Is there any interest and does it make any sense for a couple of mongers to join forces and maintain a "private sugar baby"
1K a month by 4 guys is like $60 a week each.
Has anyone been involved in a situation like this?
Mothefoque
01-19-09, 18:49
I've been pulled over a couple times myself but never with a sw. my escuse is i was searching for a bank.And i usually get away with it.1st time they let me go second time they hit me with a ticket for tuning my lights off to pop a uturn on a side street.
Trashed201
01-19-09, 23:44
Finally found backpack Jen near Little Lou's bar. She's a pretty and sexy young and fun SW. Great natural tits and gives a terrific BBBJCIM. I got digits and would be willing to swap with anyone who has Johanna, Cheryl, Jamie, or Stacy's #. Quick question regarding my previous two posts. All the advice is certainly sound. I've probably just been lucky doing it the wrong way. If Le grills u were are you going, are you going to a notel etc. can you plead the fifth as opposed to flat out lying. If LE wants to they will ask questions which it seems to me you either come clean or lie. Is taking the fifth a legal and wise move or should you simply become mute?
Well don't expect to see this little filly around anytime soon. I caught up with her a few weeks back and asked her why she cut and dyed her hair so dark. Turns out little Rachel decided to escape from the minimum security facility she was a guest of.
Well LE finally caught up with her and given her latest charge of "Escape" I think she will be looking at several years for this one. Unless anyone wants to post her bail of 1K. I like her but not that much.
Z
Is there any interest and does it make any sense for a couple of mongers to join forces and maintain a "private sugar baby"
1K a month by 4 guys is like $60 a week each.
Has anyone been involved in a situation like this?In my experience it's hard to find anyone who would even come close to that amount, if they're an addict. Anywhere from 1$ to 2$ a day is more realistic which kind of blows 240 a week out of the water. Just my opinion though ymmv. Anyone else?
T
Supereloquent
01-20-09, 18:19
Finally found backpack Jen near Little Lou's bar. She's a pretty and sexy young and fun SW. Great natural tits and gives a terrific BBBJCIM. I got digits and would be willing to swap with anyone who has Johanna, Cheryl, Jamie, or Stacy's #. Quick question regarding my previous two posts. All the advice is certainly sound. I've probably just been lucky doing it the wrong way. If Le grills u were are you going, are you going to a notel etc. can you plead the fifth as opposed to flat out lying. If LE wants to they will ask questions which it seems to me you either come clean or lie. Is taking the fifth a legal and wise move or should you simply become mute?It is not illegal to give a girl a ride. You do it at your own peril if she is carrying drugs, because that now implicates you as an accessory. So the best advice is to be inconspicuous and not get stopped (which I never have; some think my approach of parking a block away and walking is too conservative but I am not the one posting problems getting stopped by Uncle LEO). IF you are stopped, you have a right to be silent. I would advise you invoke it. All you are doing is giving her a ride. An admission of a criminal act is a confession and will hold up in a court of law. If the girl has drugs you are screwed no matter what you tell them. And they can hassle you all they want, but if you have done nothing illegal then you have nothing to worry about, short of LEO finding something that will stick (moving violation, drugs, safety violation on your vehicle, papers not in order, seat belt unfastened, etc.). The worst that could probably happen is that they cite you for trespassing or trolling and you no longer have freedom of the Ave.
So be careful out there and admit nothing!
In my experience it's hard to find anyone who would even come close to that amount, if they're an addict. Anywhere from 1$ to 2$ a day is more realistic which kind of blows 240 a week out of the water. Just my opinion though ymmv. Anyone else?
T
You are correct on that. Most girls looking for an arrangement are looking
in the 2 - 3k a month range and are still limiting the amount of days
the guys can see them. A sw'er would probably require at least that
much and eventually more. The more money she gets the more drugs
she will want. You would need about 10 guys at about 120 wk each to
set up a girl or 20 at 60 ea wk. Now for 60 a wk I would want at least
two rounds with her, since 60 is normal price on the ave but adding
in the factor they aren't putting themselves at risk they should give
us each two.
Dark Phoenix
01-21-09, 12:53
I've probably just been lucky doing it the wrong way. If Le grills u were are you going, are you going to a notel etc. can you plead the fifth as opposed to flat out lying. If LE wants to they will ask questions which it seems to me you either come clean or lie. Is taking the fifth a legal and wise move or should you simply become mute?
"Taking the Fifth" is actually a testimonial privilege which only applies in a courtroom setting where you are on the witness stand and asked a question which could incriminate you. As a technical/legal matter, you don't take the Fifth (invoke your Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination) when you are stopped by LE. As for becoming mute, that's the best advice, but you can't be completely mute. Police are allowed to ask you basic questions, and can even, in a demonstrable high crime area, ask what you're doing. Refusing your basic info would obviously just lead to more problems since it's suspicious and can lead to detention. However, you should never admit to being there for an illegal purpose; better to simply give some vague answer about being lost, or looking for a bank, or looking for gas, or shopping (I personally like that one for the element of truth, but it's not much good in the middle of the night). Bottom line, you're under suspicion but in a public area where you're legally entitled to be. Always be respectful, however, and never treat a cop like an idiot. Even if they can't make a charge stick, there's nothing preventing them from making your life miserable.
Disclaimer: By providing this legal advice and/or opinion, no attorney-client relationship is created.
Curiousjoe
01-21-09, 13:48
It's good to always have a reason and a story for why you're in an area. If you don't have a reason to be in an area, don't go there.
This is part of the reason I don't get to the K or over the bridge.
Last month I did have something planned to do on the other side of the river and I had digits, so I ventured down to the stroll area for a peak while trying to hook up via phone, but I couldn't get ahold of the SW who I had the digits for and immediately realized I was in an area which I was totally unfamiliar with so I just chalked it up and headed back to over the bridge.
Admitting you're looking to or are presently hooking up with a SW is admitting to a crime or the intention of committing a crime.
It's that simple.
Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut.
Supereloquent
01-26-09, 18:15
Is it just me or does every SW on the Ave seem to have a cold? I have had a number of BJ car dates over the past few days and they all seem to have trouble breathing from sinus congestion (NOT a good thing when your mouth is occupied and you need your nose to take in some air!). I am normally very impervious to colds but even I got one (probably from one or several SWs), the first one I have had in 15 years. Fortunately my immune system is great and it was over in a few days.
Maybe we frequent mongers should chip in and get our favorite SWs hats, gloves, wool socks, a warm coat and long underwear!
Supereloquent
01-26-09, 18:21
I was out and about the past few days and when I sat down to write a few reports I realized that all the SWs I saw today had names beginning with "J": Jessica, Jackie, Janine and Jen. What are the odds? (I calculated them: it's 17,576 to one!)
Supereloquent
01-26-09, 18:33
I have seen her around before but not until recently. She says she used to work the internet for dates until she had a spat with her driver and she doesn't have a driver's license. Working the Ave is not nearly so lucrative but it pays the bills. The nice thing is that she isn't the typical drug abuser one normally finds on K.
Jessica is cute and thin, maybe 5 feet 5 or so and about 115, with dirty blond straight hair past her shoulders. I wanted to take a pic but she was very wary of that, not even a g-rated, so no ID fellas, sorry.
The BBBJ was average, maybe a B. She didn't hurry me and tried the best she could but not very good at DT. I would see her again because she is very pleasant, but I would obviously prefer the A-rated talent on the Ave, if available.
Supereloquent
01-26-09, 18:43
Jackie was one of my first dates on the Ave and I have seen her several times since. She is pretty (at least an 8 on my "K scale"), has a nice tight thin body and auburn hair to just past her shoulders. There is a distinguishing small diamond (maybe fake) piercing on the left side of her nose. That looks very sexy as she is pumping up and down on you because it strategically faces you when she is on the passenger side.
Jackie does a reasonable BBBJ, maybe a B+. If she could do a better DT she could get a much higher grade because she is certainly pleasant, pretty and enthusiastic enough and has a nice bod. I especially like her cute sexy voice and her dirty talking abilities so she gets extra credit for that and is always worth a date.
Supereloquent
01-26-09, 18:58
Janine was my first experience with the recession impacting life on the Ave. Until 2 weeks ago she was working in a small company and they had to shut their doors and she was being paid under the table so she was ineligible for unemployment. There was something very hot about this former non-pro, in her library-looking glasses sucking me off in my car in broad daylight.
Janine is very sweet, thin, blond and wears glasses as I mentioned. She is very nearsighted and can't see without them. When I first saw her on the Ave I was almost sure she was lost or taking a bus or shopping. I approached her on foot (as is my cautious custom) and chatted with her for a while. She seemed scared to death that I was undercover LE. I asked if she needed a ride and she reluctantly said yes. We never discussed what I wanted or price or anything on the way to my spot. I just pulled down my zipper when we got there and slipped her a Jack and let nature take its course.
Janine is a sweetie but maybe she needs a few more lessons. Her DT wasn't up to par although I give her an A for effort and a solid B overall. A great attitude makes up for a lot. I don't think I would go for a BJ date again but FS indoors might be in order with this honey, with emphasis on the F. I could certainly fantasize that she is my librarian or first grade teacher.
Supereloquent
01-26-09, 19:11
There are so many Nicoles that I thought I would first look through the photo album here to see if there was a picture of the Nicole I dated and sure enough there was.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27880
This photo is 2 years old and Nicole seemed much thinner (and cuter) than when this photo was taken. She is lively and fun and like a pixie, with her freckles and auburn hair. And her BBBj skills were well above average. I give her an A- overall. She was a great experience and I would definitely date her again either for another BBBJ car date or indoor FS.
I dropped her off at what I knew to be a drug house area so it is unfortunate that someone so cute, petite and fun is hooked on poison, but that is the reality of life on the K.
Supereloquent
01-26-09, 19:26
I picked her up just off K on a certain famous street beginning with "V." She is thin, not extremely pretty (but not ugly either), medium to long straight dirty blond hair and was hanging out with a short chubby SW named Leila (spelling? pronounced Lay' Law).
She made small talk intimating that we knew one another, but I knew I had never been with her before. She said she hasn't been around for a while (I didn't ask why).
Nicole's pleasantry seemed fake and forced, and her BJ skills were well below average, and she tried to hurry me several times by asking me if I was ready to cum yet (which definitely kills the mood, if there ever was any mood to begin with). Worse yet she wouldn't even do my favorite thing and at least talk dirty to me to get me rolling.
All in all it was a pretty lousy experience and I wouldn't date Nicole again in the future.
Supereloquent
01-26-09, 20:13
For quite a while I was suspicious that there were at least two Sarahs who spelled their names alike, hung out in the same area (the subway station beginning with "H") had "red hair" and sucked like Hoovers. I read reports here that led me to believe that there had to be two, but I had no evidence until I dated the second Sarah, just as incredible as the first.
The "incredible red haired Sarah" that everyone here knows is a cute spinner with a sucking technique second to few. I am a first hand witness to that.
The "incredible strawberry blond Sarah" is not quite as cute nor petite but, in my opinion her skills are second to NONE, including the amazing Nikki, whom I previously have rated first in this category (and miss dearly now that she is a guest of the state in Easton). This Sarah is definitely the BEST I have experienced on the Ave: does what you tell her, can swallow you whole easily and can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. She never hurried me one bit and kept sucking until my eyes rolled back in my head and I shot the hottest hardest orgasm in a long memory.
Sarah is extremely pleasant and fun in addition to giving me an A++ BBBJCIM. She is very sweet and not demanding in the least. I was more than happy to give her a nice tip voluntarily and even buy her some lunch.
I give Sarah my absolutely highest gold plated recommendation and I look forward to many more BJ as well as FS dates.
In town for business and cruised the K this evening. On my initial run I saw quite a few out and several good looking girls. I should have picked them up because I never saw them again. Went with DD Kate for a decent but mechanical BBBJCIM. Last time in town I met up with Nikki who lives on the K but heard she is in jail? Better luck next time.
Supereloquent
01-27-09, 11:27
In town for business and cruised the K this evening. On my initial run I saw quite a few out and several good looking girls. I should have picked them up because I never saw them again. Went with DD Kate for a decent but mechanical BBBJCIM. Last time in town I met up with Nikki who lives on the K but heard she is in jail? Better luck next time.Yes, I will miss Nikki as well, walking the Ave near the Woodshed in those characteristic black felt boots. According to a very dear friend and former roommate of hers, Nikki was arrested for drug possession and is a guest of the state in Easton. That's too bad because I considered Nikki the best BJ and the best FS date on the Ave. Now the title, in my mind, is up for grabs. (Although the incredible strawberry blond Sarah has the BJ title nailed solid; perhaps when I try her for FS she will have both; we shall see).
In town for the second day on business, cruised the K around 6 this evening and found a cute little blond named Jessica standing on the corner of Castor and the K. She is petite about 5' 105, cute with shoulder length dirty blonde hair, 24 y/o. Couldn't find any previous posts on her. She was wrapped up in her coat and scarf so it was hard to scope the body. Did the cop thing and agreed on 3 jacksons for a visit to my hotel room. When we got to the room I was pleasantly surprised to find she had a nice little spinner body, only A cups, but nice perky nips. Received a nice slow BBBJ with excellent DT skills, moved on to the deed and enjoyed a very tight little girl for miss, reverse cowgirl and a great doggy finish. She doesn't have digits right now but said she is out everyday. Would definetly repeat. Wish I lived nearby so I could enjoy the K more often. In my limited experience with the K it appears the most selection is available between 4 to 7 in the evening. 2 for 2 this trip!
Happy Hunting.
In town for the second day on business, cruised the K around 6 this evening and found a cute little blond named Jessica standing on the corner of Castor and the K. She is petite about 5' 105, cute with shoulder length dirty blonde hair, 24 y/o. Couldn't find any previous posts on her. She was wrapped up in her coat and scarf so it was hard to scope the body. Did the cop thing and agreed on 3 jacksons for a visit to my hotel room. When we got to the room I was pleasantly surprised to find she had a nice little spinner body, only A cups, but nice perky nips. Received a nice slow BBBJ with excellent DT skills, moved on to the deed and enjoyed a very tight little girl for miss, reverse cowgirl and a great doggy finish. She doesn't have digits right now but said she is out everyday. Would definetly repeat. Wish I lived nearby so I could enjoy the K more often. In my limited experience with the K it appears the most selection is available between 4 to 7 in the evening. 2 for 2 this trip!
Happy Hunting.
Take advantage of Jessica while you can if you see her on the ave.
Very pretty girl, great attitude and the longest most suckable nipples
I've seen in a long time. Actually been looking for her again with no
luck.
So I pick up one of my local UTR ex-sw'er girls from her house and head
over to our favorite 10 house. So he hurries us in only to see Johanna
and a date standing in the living room. The owner asks me if I and my
girl would like to use the living room and Johanna and her date being
next in line went up to wait in the bathroom till the front room was ready.
With both upper rooms taken Dennis goes to hang in the basement. Well
wanting to get down to business I drop my drawers and start getting a
great BJ. A few minutes into this and Nichole is now totally naked
and next thing you know the couple from upstairs comes down. So I
go to pull down my wife-beater, Nichole curls up on the chair and mean-while
I got a boner which decided to pop up from my t-shirt. The girl starts laughing,
we say our good-byes and I continue to work over Nicholes sexy tall
body for a while until we were both exhausted.
So my questions is, who was upstairs with Johanna and who came
down stairs while I was getting head. I really liked the girl you
were with and if she has digits, I'll trade if you like the skinny tall
thing I was with.
Next if you were with Johanna and read this tell her Dave said
hello. Actually anyone from this board tell her I miss her and
have been trying to find her since her phone went dead. Wish I
had more time to talk to her today, but just didn't work out.
Picked her up around 3 pm at Huntingdon. Brown hair pulled back 23 yrs. Old. I was trying to match her up in the photo thread but really could'nt find her. Total outlay was 3 but I was out of there in about 3 minutes LOL. I like when I can finish quick like that, caught every drop too. Average build, nice BJ. T
Supereloquent
02-06-09, 13:34
It seems there are more Jessicas around than we can count. This Jessica I might call "Torresdale Jessica" because I picked her up last evening on that stroll.
I usually troll much earlier in the day and afternoon but this was a rarer sojourn late in the evening. I have never seen anyone on Torresdale in the day or afternoon. All my dates there have been later in the evening. There isn't nearly as much SW activity there as on K, but evening seems to be the only time worth trying (although one SW I was with said she used to be out for the early morning commuters).
I had earlier seen a good looking tall blond SW at the Comly corner, but by the time I had turned around a block she was already picked up. It was a bitter cold night and Jessica was huddled up and sitting on the curb near the 7-11. She is 26, very cute and petite, perhaps 5 feet 3 and 105, with short dark brunette hair barely to her shoulders.
Jessica was very thankful to be in a warm car. And one of the nice things I like about Torresdale is that there are many discreet places to park not far from the Ave, with minimum interference from pedestrians, residences or patrolling LE. She wanted 2 Jacks for a BJ, which seems to be the standard offer on Torresdale (as opposed to 3 Hams on the K). But once I refused and politely offered to give her a warm ride back, she was more than happy to do a BBBJCIM swallow for a Jack. She was reasonably good and enthusiastic and a good dirty talker (YUM), even if she couldn't quite DT, although she gave it her best shot and the gagging sounds were hot. Overall, because she is so good looking, didn't hurry me, and had above average skills, I would give her an A-, definitely a repeatable experience.
Supereloquent
02-06-09, 13:58
I was parked on Torresdale with the engine running to keep warm, after a snack and about an hour after being with Jessica, and a blond walked by. My instincts shouted "SW" and I motioned for her to come to the door and open it, which she did. I was dressed in a suit and tie and long wool coat, fresh (almost) from a business meeting and she was scared to death that I was undercover LE. She got in, saying, "well even if you are LE, there is no law against talking. " We had a nice long chat and she was very pleasant and much less concerned about me, although she still wanted to do the touchy feely thing to make perfectly sure.
Cheryl is pretty and thin but older, about mid 40s. Usually by that time a SW really looks horrid but Cheryl only started to do this very recently, so she is a real rarity. She said she moved to the apartment on Torresdale unaware of what was happening on the Ave, and would always have cars stopping when she was out walking to ask if she were "working. " Finally she decided, what the hell, I am going to try this for some extra cash. My experiences with "older" women have convinced me that they are superior cocksuckers, and Cheryl did nothing to reduce my firmly held belief.
We went to her apartment and we were able to "do it" in the warm comfort of her bedroom (by FAR nicer and cleaner than any short term notel around): an A+ BBBJCIM swallow experience, with absolutely no hurrying, an excellent sloppy and sexy DT technique, and slow licking and sucking of every possible drop. I thought 3 Hams for this sensual GFE indoors was quite a bargain, and definitely worth a repeat, especially in this cold winter weather.
Supereloquent
02-06-09, 14:21
Last night I went to troll on the K by way of Torresdale. I dated Jessica on Torresdale on the way to the K and spent some time going down and up the K 3 times but it seemed deserted. Uncle LEO was parked under the bridge at Lehigh and K, and it was not a good idea to be seen going back and forth too much, so I decided to pack it in earlier than I had planned. Plus, LE seemed to be patrolling the entire area south of Lehigh, so I beat it out of there. There was a cute petite blond at the corner of Huntingdon but another monger scarfed her up right before me. There was a haggard, strung out, not very good looking brunette on Letterly and I took a good look but didn't think she was worth it even for free. Other than the cute blondie and the Letterly druggie I didn't see one SW the entire length of the Ave, very unusual in the prime of the evening. My guess is that the extremely cold weather kept most SWs indoors after one or 2 dates (or no dates at all) and/or the mongers were outnumbering the SWs who were there by a significant multiple because none seemed available. This was one time that Torresdale was a better option: Jessica on the way to, and Cheryl on the way back. The mongers out there who picked up the cute blond at Huntingdon and the tall pretty blond at Comly: let's hear from you regarding their names and the reports of your experiences.
Supereloquent
02-06-09, 14:27
Take advantage of Jessica while you can if you see her on the ave.
Very pretty girl, great attitude and the longest most suckable nipples.
I've seen in a long time. Actually been looking for her again with no luck.Jessica used to work the internet and is afraid of being on the K at night. So if you want to find her, try the Castor area from about 10 AM to late afternoon. You can always spot her in cold weather with that distinctive long wool scarf.
Jessica used to work the internet and is afraid of being on the K at night. So if you want to find her, try the Castor area from about 10 AM to late afternoon. You can always spot her in cold weather with that distinctive long wool scarf.
Just found out she was locked up on Sunday and is still in jail. Not sure
when she is getting out though, as I didn't get that much info.
It seems there are more Jessicas around than we can count. This Jessica I might call "Torresdale Jessica" because I picked her up last evening on that stroll.
I usually troll much earlier in the day and afternoon but this was a rarer sojourn late in the evening. I have never seen anyone on Torresdale in the day or afternoon. All my dates there have been later in the evening. There isn't nearly as much SW activity there as on K, but evening seems to be the only time worth trying (although one SW I was with said she used to be out for the early morning commuters).
I had earlier seen a good looking tall blond SW at the Comly corner, but by the time I had turned around a block she was already picked up. It was a bitter cold night and Jessica was huddled up and sitting on the curb near the 7-11. She is 26, very cute and petite, perhaps 5 feet 3 and 105, with short dark brunette hair barely to her shoulders.
Jessica was very thankful to be in a warm car. And one of the nice things I like about Torresdale is that there are many discreet places to park not far from the Ave, with minimum interference from pedestrians, residences or patrolling LE. She wanted 2 Jacks for a BJ, which seems to be the standard offer on Torresdale (as opposed to 3 Hams on the K). But once I refused and politely offered to give her a warm ride back, she was more than happy to do a BBBJCIM swallow for a Jack. She was reasonably good and enthusiastic and a good dirty talker (YUM), even if she couldn't quite DT, although she gave it her best shot and the gagging sounds were hot. Overall, because she is so good looking, didn't hurry me, and had above average skills, I would give her an A-, definitely a repeatable experience.
Here hair is a bit shorter (as you described) now and some of the pics
are a little old but I believe this is her. She is from the general area
where you picked her up and have heard of others picking her up as
well.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=623281&postcount=14
The Jessica I met was blonde but about the same size.
Supereloquent
02-07-09, 12:58
The Jessica I met was blonde but about the same size.Both Jessicas (blond on the K and dark brunette on Torresdale) are cute and petite and used to work the internet, but they are obviously different Jessicas. I have written recent reports on each of them, and Davey has located some pics of brunette Jessica which she advertised on line.
Supereloquent
02-07-09, 13:04
Here hair is a bit shorter (as you described) now and some of the pics are a little old but I believe this is her. She is from the general area where you picked her up and have heard of others picking her up as well.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=623281&postcount=14Davey,
You are incredible as always. Either my description was great or your perception was awesome or both but those pics are right on the money, right down to her address (which is the vicinity of where I dropped her off after the car date) and are the Jessica I dated, definitely the girl next door look as she has advertised, and definitely looks a lot younger than her 26 years (more like 18). She advertised an on line price of of 150 so I feel like I got a real bargain for a Jack.
Supereloquent
02-07-09, 13:14
Just found out she was locked up on Sunday and is still in jail. Not sure when she is getting out though, as I didn't get that much info.That is really sad because Jessica was cute and fun and one of my better recent finds on the Ave. It doesn't surprise me that she is locked up because she wasn't very experienced on the K, always stood in the same conspicuous corner on the Ave and was very trusting. She never had any suspicion of me as LE, asked any questions or did the "touchy feely" thing. While it was flattering to be so trusted it wasn't very smart of her not to be very suspect of every new date. That is where experience really counts. With Mandy also locked up as well as Nikki, some of the best talent on K is behind bars. It is getting more difficult to find the good ones out there mongers, so let's have some reports.
Both Jessicas (blond on the K and dark brunette on Torresdale) are cute and petite and used to work the internet, but they are obviously different Jessicas. I have written recent reports on each of them, and Davey has located some pics of brunette Jessica which she advertised on line.
Now we have pics of both !!!
Supereloquent
02-08-09, 15:55
Now we have pics of both !!!Yes that is definitely blond Jessica. Someone had much better persuasive powers than I to get her pics. Of course, I was asking photographic permission her first day on the Ave and I think she was a bit wary of publicity. It's very sad that she was locked up last Sunday. I don't think she does drugs so it probably was a solicitation bust?
Yes that is definitely blond Jessica. Someone had much better persuasive powers than I to get her pics. Of course, I was asking photographic permission her first day on the Ave and I think she was a bit wary of publicity. It's very sad that she was locked up last Sunday. I don't think she does drugs so it probably was a solicitation bust?Both girls post on Craigslist. Their pictures have been around for a while.
That is really sad because Jessica was cute and fun and one of my better recent finds on the Ave. It doesn't surprise me that she is locked up because she wasn't very experienced on the K, always stood in the same conspicuous corner on the Ave and was very trusting. She never had any suspicion of me as LE, asked any questions or did the "touchy feely" thing. While it was flattering to be so trusted it wasn't very smart of her not to be very suspect of every new date. That is where experience really counts. With Mandy also locked up as well as Nikki, some of the best talent on K is behind bars. It is getting more difficult to find the good ones out there mongers, so let's have some reports.We want to lay off cops so we can imprison, prosecute, supervise, and rehabilitate these girls. Boy are Mayor Nutters and Chief Ramsey's priorities screwed up. Leave the girls alone.
Trashed201
02-10-09, 04:08
This one is a keeper! She's everything Supereloquent gushed about and then some! While she's no spring chicken she's still a pretty sensual fun and warm lady. Wore a sexy leather outfit under her jacket! Hell of a pleasant surprise. Had a beer with her first to break the ice which was a nice change. No rush a good half hr. Of pleasant small talk. She seems to enjoy her work and repeated how much she loves to give pleasure which she does very well! Absolutely no rush which after a beer was a real treat! Grab this one before she gets jaded.
Sir Strict
02-12-09, 15:41
Found a BSW 30s maybe, Marcy, across from the hospital. Not much to write about, an any port in a storm kinda girl.
1 jack, with a spit.
I normally cruise almost end to end on the Ave. Down Front Street then all the way up to the hospital. I'm not certain but I always feel like I'll find a gem down on Front St. Hasn't happened yet, perhaps wishful thinking.
Are there any underground sex shows anyone is aware of?
Supereloquent
02-13-09, 00:23
Some SWs fit their street names and some do not. This one doesn't. This thin blond caught my eye because she was strolling on a side street just south of "V" and K and was wearing a short skirt with a striped leotard. I am a sucker for a cute, sexy outfit. She looked better from a distance than she did up close but I was feeling adventurous and have gotten a few fantastic BJs from some average looking girls. This time there was no such payoff. Outfit: A Looks: C Attitude: B (hurried me a bit; that was counterbalanced by being a great dirty talker) BJ: C. An overall C+ doesn't make for a repeatable experience as far as I am concerned. At least I only was out a Jack (she said she "usually gets 30, " but that seems to be the chorus being sung on the Ave these days. I don't mind tipping when the experience is great, but not until. Would you tip BEFORE your meal in a restaurant?)
Supereloquent
02-13-09, 01:25
I like to try gals on the Ave I haven't been with before. Sometimes that works out and sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes one hits the JACKPOT! That's all I can say about Natalie, an incredible find indeed.
She is definitely a spinner: 24 years old, very cute, about 5 feet one, 105 pounds (maybe less, if anything), dirty blond hair below her shoulders, but in a pony tail today because of the heavy wind. She reminded me of a shorter version of Johanna. The physical resemblance is uncanny. There were only 2 small details from making her physically perfect: a few facial blemishes and a visibly decayed front tooth. But all that did for me was make an otherwise A++ gal merely an A+.
I decided to try the Carlisle, because this was definitely going to be an indoor date and I wanted to take my time. Plus she was agreeable to pics (sorry fellas, for my enjoyment only; at her request I promised that they would not be posted on the internet and I am a man of my word). On the way there Natalie seemed to be a bit sleepy. She explained that she had just gotten up, but I have noted sleepiness in many of the SWs on the Ave related to their hours and drug habits. She said she lives with her family in the burbs and used to have a drug problem but not any more. I was not naive enough to believe this. She has no visible tracks but I suspect she is still using something: a fact of life on the Ave.
I thought Natalie looked good in her sweatshirt and skin tight jeans, but the best was yet to come. Naked this gal was super sexy: firm little tits with cute, pliable and very suckable pink nipples and one of the most shapely and sexy little asses I have ever seen. And the best part of all was that she was pleasant and FUN, a real GFE! I chalk this up to the fact that she doesn't do this much, only when she starts to get behind on her bills (or so she says, but she certainly does not seem to be hardened nor jaded).
I give her an A+ in every category: face, body, attitude and the best damn FS I have EVER had on the Ave (or perhaps anywhere else for that matter). She had a small mouth but she even had the sucking skill of (dare I say it? ) the incredible strawberry blond Sarah. I didn't even have to tell her what to do; she seemed to know instinctively and swallowed me whole and gave excellent DT with mouth, tongue and throat in coordination. She had the flexibility of a gymnast and I had her legs almost locked up over her head for Mish and she kept screaming for me to give it to her harder. We did it in every position imaginable: CG, RCG and finished up with an absolutely awesome doggie. The view of that cute ass made it tough for me to hold off. Plus she would slap her own ass, encouraging me to do so also, and she would squeal Yesssssssss! As I did. That ass felt perfect: just firm enough and just soft enough. Pumping her hard from behind and watching and spanking that sexy ass made me cum so hard I thought I would faint.
Either she was a great actress and a terrific liar (always possible; maybe that's her line with everyone) or what she told me was true and she came 5 times, which she said is unusual for her. I must admit that I love pleasing a fun woman and there was something exciting about controlling her pleasure like that. I made her scream and say "FUCK" very loud every time she came so I would know when. I could feel her tight little pussy muscles grip me like iron when she did that, so, like I said, either she is one hell of an actress or this was the GFE of a lifetime.
As I said in the beginning, sometimes taking a risk on someone new has a BIG payoff and Natalie was certainly that. I have her digits and this is a sexy little morsel DEFINITELY worth some repeat experiences.
You say she is a GFE... I am curious what your definition of a GFE is, since it seems to differ between mongers. Most consider a girl a GFE if she allows DFK, DATY, LFK, BBBJTCCIM.
Only reason I ask is because I have never come across a GFE SW. That indeed would be a rare find both for the girl, and the monger who does those above mentioned things to a SW (a brave man).
Thanks
Supereloquent
02-14-09, 02:30
You say she is a GFE... I am curious what your definition of a GFE is, since it seems to differ between mongers. Most consider a girl a GFE if she allows DFK, DATY, LFK, BBBJTCCIM.
Only reason I ask is because I have never come across a GFE SW. That indeed would be a rare find both for the girl, and the monger who does those above mentioned things to a SW (a brave man).
ThanksA GFE to me is more about attitude than particular "acts." If a SW is sweet, friendly, natural, sensual and fun and not in a foul mood, hurrying you, trying to hustle you or treating you like just another "customer" then, to me, she is a GFE. I think the specific acts you mentioned are a matter of personal preference and acceptance of risk. Personally I don't go for DATY or DFK or LFK with a SW. However, you probably take bigger risks doing these with any "civilian" woman you date, some of whom take less safety precautions than a SW. I mean, can you be certain of your civilian date's honesty about previous protection for her entire sexual history and the honesty and protection histories of everyone she has been with, and everyone they have been with, etc., etc. to infinity? Any woman, promiscuous or not, presents a risk to you. I have taken risks on a few occasions with BBBJTCWS even though I know that some STDs like gonorrhea and chlamydia can live in the mouth and throat, and maybe I am just lucky, but I have never contracted an STD in my life. However, these can relatively easily and effectively be treated by antibiotics. The bigger risk in my opinion is herpes, which can be spread by mouth even when there are no visible sores (Think about that the next time you DFK your gf). Even though there are much better treatments for herpes now on the market, there is still no cure and it is a lifetime disease. This reason alone is sufficient for me to take my chips off the table now while I am way ahead and only do CBJs, and, of course, ONLY fully protected sex and NEVER anal (if that reason isn't obvious then ask me for a short course on avoiding high risk AIDs behavior).
Have fun out there. Be careful. And be SAFE.
Forth Ryte
02-14-09, 23:57
I'm going to contribute my unsolicited two cents.
A GFE is a "girlfriend experience" and that experience has less to do with WHAT she does with you or what she allows you to do, than how she behaves towards you.
The GFE is cuddling, unrushed time together, and generally making you feel wanted for yourself and not because you paid for her time.
-- Forth Ryte.
Well cruised around a bit last night and although LE was very light I
really didn't see anything I wanted to pic up. Well one girl, but by the
time I turned around she did the disappearing act on me. So after a bit
I got a call from another monger who was out as well and just dropped
off Tiffany. According to her just got back out on the streets recently.
Did her jail time and was in a half way house and decided to split and
come back on the ave again. Anyone who knows her, realizing a date
with her can be very hit or miss. Well according to my buddy it was
a miss with Tiffany's bad side coming out last night. Said he finally got
so frustrated that he just dropped her off with a few bucks to shut her up.
She told him that even though he picked her up for a BJ that he had
to fuck her because she is so upset that she is back out on the streets that
the though of having to suck cock again for a living makes her throw up
every time a cock goes in her mouth. Now what kind of shit is that!
Now..I know sometimes these girl say things about others whether they
are true or not, and sometimes just to keep you from searching them out
for a date. On the way back Tiffany mentioned to my buddy that she
heard that Darlene had gotten killed. He said he didn't get much more
info out of her, so he's not sure if it's true or not. Now I have seen Darlene
walking by Somerset about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Has anyone else seen her
or heard this bit of info? Anyone maybe hear how this happened if it
in fact did? Would be interested to know.
A GFE to me is more about attitude than particular "acts."
You are right on the spot on that one. It's all about attitude during the
date and how they make you feel when they are with you. I've picked up
girls that necessarily didn't provide the best service but they really made
you feel like they wanted to be there and enjoyed the time spent.
Laura (tall redhead) was like this. Service was so so, but attitude was
awesome. Speaking of Laura any one know or seen her recently. She was
about 5'8", models body and extremely pretty. Last was known to be
working for Bishop. Called his stables main # a few times but she hasn't
been around.
Haven't heard much about his girls lately. Anyone have any updates
on who is now working for him? I've been away from the ave more or
less for the last few months, only getting an hour here or there. But now
that I see the warm weather not too far away, I feel the need to start
getting my feet wet again.
I post infrequently but felt compelled to give back something to the board and post about this ROB, who was definitely not a GFE. I picked up Gillian late Sat. night near Castor. She's a fairly thin WSW with brownish/red hair, and as I discovered up close, is probably in her mid-30s. It was late, there didn't seem to be many around and I was kinda desperate. I kept missing out. I'd see somebody and then go around the block and they were gone.
Anyway, my gut instincts told me to drive away when I saw her up close but I decided "what the hell." Big mistake. She gets in, doesn't say hardly anything and I didn't negotiate. I just blindly followed her directions on where to go. I did just about everything wrong. I really should've known better. So we get to a place and she quotes me some high price for a bj. At that point, I decided to bail. When she heard this she started in on me about how I owe her something for her time and blah, blah, blah. I told her I would give her something but of course it's not enough. So I start thinking about my options. I really didn't need any damage to my car from a fight and didn't need the potentially huge hassle such as LE involvement. So I gave her more than I wanted just to get rid of her. I cursed her out but that doesn't really mean anything since she got my money for doing nothing and will probably try the same BS on another monger.
It's been a long time since I've been ripped off like this but I have nobody to blame but myself. I know somebody is probably thinking I should've smacked her but that just wasn't an option. So the lessons I hope I learned are to negotiate up front immediately and more importantly, listen to the gut instincts.
Supereloquent
02-15-09, 17:01
I post infrequently but felt compelled to give back something to the board and post about this ROB, who was definitely not a GFE. I picked up Gillian late Sat. night near Castor. She's a fairly thin WSW with brownish/red hair, and as I discovered up close, is probably in her mid-30s. It was late, there didn't seem to be many around and I was kinda desperate. I kept missing out. I'd see somebody and then go around the block and they were gone.
Anyway, my gut instincts told me to drive away when I saw her up close but I decided "what the hell." Big mistake. She gets in, doesn't say hardly anything and I didn't negotiate. I just blindly followed her directions on where to go. I did just about everything wrong. I really should've known better. So we get to a place and she quotes me some high price for a bj. At that point, I decided to bail. When she heard this she started in on me about how I owe her something for her time and blah, blah, blah. I told her I would give her something but of course it's not enough. So I start thinking about my options. I really didn't need any damage to my car from a fight and didn't need the potentially huge hassle such as LE involvement. So I gave her more than I wanted just to get rid of her. I cursed her out but that doesn't really mean anything since she got my money for doing nothing and will probably try the same BS on another monger.
It's been a long time since I've been ripped off like this but I have nobody to blame but myself. I know somebody is probably thinking I should've smacked her but that just wasn't an option. So the lessons I hope I learned are to negotiate up front immediately and more importantly, listen to the gut instincts.I make it a practice to never negotiate up front. Besides, you know that SWs who want to do this are trouble. I always delay the price discussion. It pays to drive a distance from the Ave first, and make certain she is not undercover LE and there is no LE tail. Also, you have a lot more leverage when she has committed her time to the ride with you. I never feel I "owe" her for her time. She got in voluntarily and all we are doing is ostensibly going for a ride. I have never, ever even with the most difficult of SWs had to back off a price of a Jack for a car BJ. Their option is zero and either a nice warm car ride back or getting out right there. I have never experienced a SW saying no to a Jack once she is time committed, even on Torresdale where the time commitment for the ride tends to be minimal and the asking prices higher than on the K. The power in any negotiation is with the person who can say no and walk away from the deal. That power should be yours. I am not trying to say I am cheap, but I am a value buyer and testing a girl for a Jack seems reasonable to me. If she is really good (and what SW isn't going to tell you she is?) then a tip will be in order and you will want digits if you can get them and repeat experiences. It's good business all the way around.
I have know Gina for years but she has dropped off the radar and her phone has been disconnected , anyone have a clue about what happen to her?
Hey fellow mongers.....
I've been gone for about 2 years or more. Scoped the "K" out a lot in the past and posted a few reports for all to read. I met a few of you on the net here but never in person. I'll be back tomorrow (Monday) afternoon and will be in and out for 3 weeks...possibly more.
I'm really excited to come back and I love and miss the "K"....
Question:::: Are there any good Hotels near the "K" or downtown area that are close enough to lure a girl to for an indoor date? This week I am near Hainesport, NJ but want to come back and stay near the "K" for some extended fun....
Thanks fellas.......shoot me a note if any of you'd like to grab an adult beverage while I'm there...
NukMed...
Dark Phoenix
02-16-09, 14:10
I typically won't post a review on a SW who I've previously reviewed before unless something is dramatically different or noteworthy. Which brings me to Stacy.
As previously reported and as agreed by Mike 80, Stacy is well known to give a great BBBJ. Back about 3 years ago when she'd first made an appearance on the K, we did a FS date which she appeared to be really into. I reviewed the experience favorably. Then I didn't see her for quite a while. When she reemerged the BBBJ skills were definitely intact, but one FS date we had was truly lackluster - she just sorta laid there and tolerated it silently. I believe Mike 80 had the same experience (and I'm going by my less than perfect memory here, so it may not have even been Mike).
Anyway, with work kind of crazy and normal girlfriend-type chicks monopolizing what little time I have, my mongering hours such as they are have been late, which coincides with Stacy's schedule. She always takes extra good care of me orally, so twice last week I gave her .40 with the intention of merely having her take extra-super-special-awesome care of me orally for the money. On both occasions, she whipped off the pants for a 50/50 date without saying a word. I figured "WTF" and went for it both times. Both times, the same humdrum experience once the fucking started. Hmmm.
Then, come Saturday night, I pick her up again. We go to a different spot than our regular, since there was a lot of pedestrian activity. I don't know if it was the new venue, or if the romance of Valentine's Day had something to do with it, but HOLY SHIT. She got so into it I felt like I was working for her. She got off a clear 3 times I could see, perhaps more, and it was totally hot and totally no rush. She was bucking like a bronco and extremely vocal. Afterwards, she was a changed woman. Whereas normally a couple words is a lot out of her, she was very talkative and warm and smiley and friendly. Guess it's just another example of YMMV, but it was encouraging to me that it's possible to get this type of response and service out of a girl who very often seems as though she's just going through the motions. Got a genuinely warm kiss goodnight and off she went.
We gotta do that again.
Oh, and Davey - just an aside with Darlene. I'd seen her about 2 weeks back, late afternoon near Somerset. Looking very bad. I'd hate to hear that the rumor is true, but she was really deteriorating last time I'd done a date with her and I pledged it'd be my last with her. Plus, she's reportedly done the cash and dash more than once, so maybe what went around came around. Sorry to hear it if its true.
I typically won't post a review on a SW who I've previously reviewed before unless something is dramatically different or noteworthy. Which brings me to Stacy...The one FS date we had was truly lackluster - she just sorta laid there and tolerated it silently. I believe Mike 80 had the same experience (and I'm going by my less than perfect memory here, so it may not have even been Mike).You're right that was me posting awhile ago about my less than thrilling FS date w/ Stacy whose BBBJCIMS are among America's finest. It's great to hear that she's showing improvement in her all-around game. Even though our first FS session was a dud I would still pick her up for her delicious BBBJs. But now reading your report I'm thinking and hoping maybe she's someone who opens up the more you're with her. She's completely pleasant but so quiet it's hard to picture her "bucking like a bronco" and getting "very vocal." I like the image however. And ending things w/ a warm kiss... Sounds like you experienced the closest thing to GFE you'll find on the Ave. Lucky dog.
I typically won't post a review on a SW who I've previously reviewed before unless something is dramatically different or noteworthy. Which brings me to Stacy.
As previously reported and as agreed by Mike 80, Stacy is well known to give a great BBBJ. Back about 3 years ago when she'd first made an appearance on the K, we did a FS date which she appeared to be really into. I reviewed the experience favorably. Then I didn't see her for quite a while. When she reemerged the BBBJ skills were definitely intact, but one FS date we had was truly lackluster - she just sorta laid there and tolerated it silently. I believe Mike 80 had the same experience (and I'm going by my less than perfect memory here, so it may not have even been Mike).
Anyway, with work kind of crazy and normal girlfriend-type chicks monopolizing what little time I have, my mongering hours such as they are have been late, which coincides with Stacy's schedule. She always takes extra good care of me orally, so twice last week I gave her .40 with the intention of merely having her take extra-super-special-awesome care of me orally for the money. On both occasions, she whipped off the pants for a 50/50 date without saying a word. I figured "WTF" and went for it both times. Both times, the same humdrum experience once the fucking started. Hmmm.
Then, come Saturday night, I pick her up again. We go to a different spot than our regular, since there was a lot of pedestrian activity. I don't know if it was the new venue, or if the romance of Valentine's Day had something to do with it, but HOLY SHIT. She got so into it I felt like I was working for her. She got off a clear 3 times I could see, perhaps more, and it was totally hot and totally no rush. She was bucking like a bronco and extremely vocal. Afterwards, she was a changed woman. Whereas normally a couple words is a lot out of her, she was very talkative and warm and smiley and friendly. Guess it's just another example of YMMV, but it was encouraging to me that it's possible to get this type of response and service out of a girl who very often seems as though she's just going through the motions. Got a genuinely warm kiss goodnight and off she went.
We gotta do that again.
Oh, and Davey - just an aside with Darlene. I'd seen her about 2 weeks back, late afternoon near Somerset. Looking very bad. I'd hate to hear that the rumor is true, but she was really deteriorating last time I'd done a date with her and I pledged it'd be my last with her. Plus, she's reportedly done the cash and dash more than once, so maybe what went around came around. Sorry to hear it if its true.
Is this the Stacy you are mentioning above. I haven't seen her since the
summer, hey if you have her digits PM or give me a call. Tks
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43180
As promised.....a report on my findings....
Went out Tuesday evening after my flight in to town. Had dinner at Applebee's and made the "K" cruise afterwards....
I saw a few SW's out and a couple that caught my eye. One in particular (WSW) just past the 7-11 that had a nice hugging pair of jeans on that looked simply delicious.
I turned around when I could and saw her climbing into a White Ford Van.....too late as usual. Just like home in St. Louis!!!
I decided to turn and head back the opposite way again and made a full drive without anything but 2 BSW that didn't have anything I wanted to offer. Just as I decided to hang it up for the evening, I saw a WSW....very pretty....walking in a leather jacket alone. I tooted my horn as I passed and she turned and stopped to stare. I turned onto a side street and she came back to me. She opened the door and climbed in and did the "you a cop?" thing. After each was satisfied that we were safe, I drove off.
She said her name was Robin. She was tall and not overweight at all. She had a real nice face and had her hair pulled up in a very nice style. Told her I was seeking a car date and agreed on a BBBJCIM for $30. I asked her if she was any good and she stated she never had a complaint.
I have to say, she was very relaxed in her conversation and seemed almost comfortable. After parking, she took off her jacket so I could get a better look at her body at my request and began a very nice, wet, DT of my manhood. WOW!!!! What can I say...she was awesome. Nice and slow and rhythmic. Nice use of the hands and allowed me to wander with my hands. She never rushed me and finished me nice and complete.
Afterwards, she stated she would be intereted in a Notel date and actually prefered it. Drove her a few blocks where she felt safe and dropped her off. She was very pleasant the entire time and IMHO, she didn't seem to be into drugs at all. Stated she was 30 years old but looked much younger.....
Treat her nice if you find her...she's on my list to hit again if I see her.....
Take care and be safe.....
NukMed
Is this the Stacy you are mentioning above. I haven't seen her since the summer, hey if you have her digits PM or give me a call.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=43180No that's a different Stacy. I don't believe we've had a picture posted of the one Dark Phoenix and I are talking about. Below is a link to my first report on her which gives some physical description. The Stacy you're showing, with her little button nose is probably cuter facially in most people's minds than the one we're talking about. In my first Stacy report, I include a link to Dark Phooenix's original report on her going back to 2005 or 2006. When I frist picked er up I read through all the 20+ "Stacy" and "Stacey:" posts in the archives and his post was one of only a couple I saw that was about the girl I'd picked up. She usually works later at night on a couple side streets about a block off the Ave south of Lehigh. She's not out every night but I've found she's quite predictable in where and when you can find her. I don't know about lately, but as of late 2008 she told me she didn't have digits to provide. http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=729611&postcount=1380
Supereloquent
02-18-09, 13:58
One good thing can lead to another. When I was with Natalie I asked her if she had any friends who might like to make some money and she said she would let me know. Did she ever!
Marcie is not technically a SW or an escort, but I got to know about her through Natalie who is a very occasional SW when she needs the money (see my previous report on her). In fact, Marcie said this was the first time she ever did this, but she likes sex and thought she may as well make some extra money doing what she likes anyway.
Marcie is 26, has short auburn hair and is about 5 feet 7 with a thin frame, and very nice tits and ass. She is very nearsighted and wears glasses and it was difficult to convince her to take off the glasses, even in bed. I have to admit the glasses were hot, like fulfilling a librarian fantasy.
We had an incredible GFE at her apartment for most of the afternoon and it only set me back .75. She is an A+ in every way: cute, nice firm body, sweet and wonderful attitude, ravenous sexual appetite, DTBJ skills were superb and we did it in ever conceivable position, not to mention my cumming on her face and tits a few times. I didn't even count how many times I came but it was a LOT. I was totally exhausted and spent after a full afternoon of incredible fun. This one is a keeper.
Natalie says she might have a few more friends who might be interested. I can't wait.
Supereloquent
02-18-09, 14:07
I took many pics of Marcie and she reviewed them. She wasn't too hot on my posting those where she was spreading wide for me or sucking me off, but she did give me permission to post this one if her face was covered. So enjoy.
Curiousjoe
02-19-09, 08:38
Sounds like you struck gold with Natalie and Marcie is the first nugget.
She has a nice body and a superb ass.
College Kid
02-20-09, 17:12
Was downtown last night so took a swing by the K around midnight.completely dead. Not one SW, no LE, not even too many regular people out and about. Was there a big bust earlier in the night or something?
Well must be two cousins bickering, as I saw Darlene around Somerset
yesterday afternoon. Still looking bad, but alive.
OK so first my buddy had a bad date with her. Then she's saying Darlene
got killed and now...
So I'm heading south and see some female shapes down Letterly so I
do the Boston-Jasper-Letterly U-Turn and about 20 yards up the is a van
slowing down in the street. Now he is stopped and not moving and I'm
almost ready to give a beep, but just then I she a PR girl yelling something
towards the van, so I see an opening on the right and decide to go
around. As I'm passing I see Tiffany straddled across the front hood of the
van holding onto the guys windshield wiper, yelling and twitching all over.
Having to watch this the PR girl starts saying to the guy "just give her
some money and she'll get off" then Tiffany comes back and starts saying
"he stopped for a date and I' not leaving till he lets me in". At this point
the PR girl shakes her head and goes to the drivers window to talk
to him and Tiffany looks over at me and yells, are you going to
date too or just f%ckin stare at me. So I took this as my cue to
head out off the street. Should have grabbed my cell phone and
took video of that craziness but it happened so quick.
Saw a cute girl that I never say previously by the 7-11 vicinity of the
ave. Tried picking her up but just couldn't get the timing down right. Finally
she decided to take a walk down a side street and I took this as my
opportunity to move in. Parked down the street and she hopped on in.
Once inside the car she looked a bit thicker than I usually choose, but in
the winter it's hard to tell with all the clothing on. But she was very
pretty and fresh looking so I kept her. Taking about a 10 minute drive
to a place for a room I was glad I kept her as the conversation was very
good, found out she just relapsed after a couple of years and has only
been back out on the streets for a couple of weeks.
Get to the room and now with the coat off I can tell she is a bit on the
pudgy side, but oh well, still pretty as can be. Once the clothes come
off the body was about a 3, but the pussy was nice and smooth, so still
doable. Well all doubts about her went away once she got into action.
Excellent DT technique and not mechanical at all. I almost thought she really
was trying to swallow my cock whole. Not wanting to blow yet I laid
her back for some mish. Even though she had a child she was so
damn tight. Went at that for a while but the heat in the back room was
so darn hot I was getting exhausted from the heat so went back to the
BJ for the finish. Great technique again with lots of DT, ball sucking and
taint licking as well. Finally getting ready to go she backed up and said
"come on my face". So like a scene from a movie I blew over her face and
in her mouth as well, only for her to be happy and giggling, saying she
loved that part.
Did see her again out last night, but didn't pick her up for round two. Not
yet anyway.
I like to try gals on the Ave I haven't been with before. Sometimes that works out and sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes one hits the JACKPOT! That's all I can say about Natalie, an incredible find indeed.
She is definitely a spinner: 24 years old, very cute, about 5 feet one, 105 pounds (maybe less, if anything), dirty blond hair below her shoulders, but in a pony tail today because of the heavy wind. She reminded me of a shorter version of Johanna. The physical resemblance is uncanny. There were only 2 small details from making her physically perfect: a few facial blemishes and a visibly decayed front tooth. But all that did for me was make an otherwise A++ gal merely an A+.
I decided to try the Carlisle, because this was definitely going to be an indoor date and I wanted to take my time. Plus she was agreeable to pics (sorry fellas, for my enjoyment only; at her request I promised that they would not be posted on the internet and I am a man of my word). On the way there Natalie seemed to be a bit sleepy. She explained that she had just gotten up, but I have noted sleepiness in many of the SWs on the Ave related to their hours and drug habits. She said she lives with her family in the burbs and used to have a drug problem but not any more. I was not naive enough to believe this. She has no visible tracks but I suspect she is still using something: a fact of life on the Ave.
I thought Natalie looked good in her sweatshirt and skin tight jeans, but the best was yet to come. Naked this gal was super sexy: firm little tits with cute, pliable and very suckable pink nipples and one of the most shapely and sexy little asses I have ever seen. And the best part of all was that she was pleasant and FUN, a real GFE! I chalk this up to the fact that she doesn't do this much, only when she starts to get behind on her bills (or so she says, but she certainly does not seem to be hardened nor jaded).
I give her an A+ in every category: face, body, attitude and the best damn FS I have EVER had on the Ave (or perhaps anywhere else for that matter). She had a small mouth but she even had the sucking skill of (dare I say it? ) the incredible strawberry blond Sarah. I didn't even have to tell her what to do; she seemed to know instinctively and swallowed me whole and gave excellent DT with mouth, tongue and throat in coordination. She had the flexibility of a gymnast and I had her legs almost locked up over her head for Mish and she kept screaming for me to give it to her harder. We did it in every position imaginable: CG, RCG and finished up with an absolutely awesome doggie. The view of that cute ass made it tough for me to hold off. Plus she would slap her own ass, encouraging me to do so also, and she would squeal Yesssssssss! As I did. That ass felt perfect: just firm enough and just soft enough. Pumping her hard from behind and watching and spanking that sexy ass made me cum so hard I thought I would faint.
Either she was a great actress and a terrific liar (always possible; maybe that's her line with everyone) or what she told me was true and she came 5 times, which she said is unusual for her. I must admit that I love pleasing a fun woman and there was something exciting about controlling her pleasure like that. I made her scream and say "FUCK" very loud every time she came so I would know when. I could feel her tight little pussy muscles grip me like iron when she did that, so, like I said, either she is one hell of an actress or this was the GFE of a lifetime.
As I said in the beginning, sometimes taking a risk on someone new has a BIG payoff and Natalie was certainly that. I have her digits and this is a sexy little morsel DEFINITELY worth some repeat experiences.
Now this one sounds like a real find. These are the pickups that make
all the cruising around worth while after all..
I have know Gina for years but she has dropped off the radar and her phone has been disconnected , anyone have a clue about what happen to her?
If you are talking about Duncan Donuts Gina, I saw her about 3 weeks
ago talking with Kate at the usual spot.
Ok. I'm about to do something completely stupid, and I'm gonna need your guys advice. I've got a couple of days off of work, a really nice new Canon Powershot digital camera, and few hundred dollars in tax money to play with (after paying off bills). So of course, I'm planning on overdosing on Phillies finest SW talent, (and taking a shitload of pictures of course.) Here is the only problem, . I live in NYC, and I don't have a car.
Now before you say (yell) to me to RTFF, almost all of the info on the Ave. Is geared towards the auto monger. From pickup advice to hidden spots, to where to make a you-turn without incurring the wrath of the LE, all advice is geared toward those with cars.
I was planning on leaving Monday (2/23) morning/afternoon and taking Greyhound to Philly. From there I would cab it down to the K find a place, and spend the next 2 days searching for the perfect submissive deep throat, and burning though Cialis. My question is where are any crappy motels/short stay hotels, around the area. I'm forgetting the name of a notel that you guys often use, but even that seems to be out of the vicinity. Maybe I shouldn't concentrate on the K. Is there a better spot in philly for the walking monger to base himself. If Camden would be a better choice, I would be very open to it. My only need is a cheap motel with a bevy of even cheaper SW around.
Having learned my mongering skills in a post Gulianni S. Bronx, (perfect storm of crap for the monger), I'm not afraid of seedy situations and walking up to SW and going back to their hidy-holes. Even though I don't have many posts, I'm an experienced and "enterprising" monger who can spot a "sometimes" girl and turn a "maybe" into a "O. K. , let's go". So don't be afraid to recommend a really seedy place. Besides, I'm a big black guy, I'll probably fit right in, especially in Camden I would love to have some crazy pics and stories to show/tell you guys, (as long as it doesn't involve either LE or a hospital/and or/morgue).
So please help this adventurous monger out, you won't be disappointed. Besides, if you actually take the time out of your day to help me, I can't procrastinate, and put it off till next week/save for early rent/pay credit cards. Wait, . Do I really want to do this? . I should save my mone.
Supereloquent
02-22-09, 03:16
OK so first my buddy had a bad date with her. Then she's saying Darlene got killed and now.
So I'm heading south and see some female shapes down Letterly so I do the Boston-Jasper-Letterly you-Turn and about 20 yards up the is a van slowing down in the street. Now he is stopped and not moving and I'm almost ready to give a beep, but just then I she a PR girl yelling something towards the van, so I see an opening on the right and decide to go around. As I'm passing I see Tiffany straddled across the front hood of the van holding onto the guys windshield wiper, yelling and twitching all over. Having to watch this the PR girl starts saying to the guy "just give her some money and she'll get off" then Tiffany comes back and starts saying "he stopped for a date and I' not leaving till he lets me in". At this point the PR girl shakes her head and goes to the drivers window to talk to him and Tiffany looks over at me and yells, are you going to date too or just f%ckin stare at me. So I took this as my cue to head out off the street. Should have grabbed my cell phone and took video of that craziness but it happened so quick.I don't know why I even troll Letterly anymore. Is it just me or are the SWs who hang out there often the most un-pretty, haggard Druggies and wack jobs south of Lehigh? The only worse are several SWs who look like they were just drug behind a car (notably one skinny blond I see hanging around a lot) in the several blocks south of the 7-11 on the right side when heading south.
Ok. I'm about to do something completely stupid, and I'm gonna need your guys advice. I've got a couple of days off of work, a really nice new Canon Powershot digital camera, and few hundred dollars in tax money to play with (after paying off bills). So of course, I'm planning on overdosing on Phillies finest SW talent, (and taking a shitload of pictures of course.) Here is the only problem, . I live in NYC, and I don't have a car.
Now before you say (yell) to me to RTFF, almost all of the info on the Ave. Is geared towards the auto monger. From pickup advice to hidden spots, to where to make a you-turn without incurring the wrath of the LE, all advice is geared toward those with cars.
I was planning on leaving Monday (2/23) morning/afternoon and taking Greyhound to Philly. From there I would cab it down to the K find a place, and spend the next 2 days searching for the perfect submissive deep throat, and burning though Cialis. My question is where are any crappy motels/short stay hotels, around the area. I'm forgetting the name of a notel that you guys often use, but even that seems to be out of the vicinity. Maybe I shouldn't concentrate on the K. Is there a better spot in philly for the walking monger to base himself. If Camden would be a better choice, I would be very open to it. My only need is a cheap motel with a bevy of even cheaper SW around.
Having learned my mongering skills in a post Gulianni S. Bronx, (perfect storm of crap for the monger), I'm not afraid of seedy situations and walking up to SW and going back to their hidy-holes. Even though I don't have many posts, I'm an experienced and "enterprising" monger who can spot a "sometimes" girl and turn a "maybe" into a "O. K. , let's go". So don't be afraid to recommend a really seedy place. Besides, I'm a big black guy, I'll probably fit right in, especially in Camden I would love to have some crazy pics and stories to show/tell you guys, (as long as it doesn't involve either LE or a hospital/and or/morgue).
So please help this adventurous monger out, you won't be disappointed. Besides, if you actually take the time out of your day to help me, I can't procrastinate, and put it off till next week/save for early rent/pay credit cards. Wait, . Do I really want to do this? . I should save my mone.
Well walking tbe ave is actually a good idea. On many occasions I'll
get tired of driving and use my feet to find some sw'ers. Especially good
around the Somerset area where at times LE is just too hot to pull
over and do a pick-up.
Your big problem is going to be lodging. There really is no place to
stay close by. The notels do have full day rates but getting to them
with a girl is an issue. Now if you stay in Philly and take a bus to the ave
you can always use the Woodshed Bookstore to take your dates and
can always ask the girls about any flop houses they know of. There are
a couple around and some of the girls will walk there with you. (weather
depending).
Now if you have a license, but just not a car. Go to Phillycarshare.org
and sign up before you get here. You can rent cars by the hour for
a very reasonable fee. Get one when you hit the ave and after the date
drop it off, take the bus back to the hotel, recoup and come back
later and get another vehicle for a few hours. Nice thing about
car share is they will even reimburse your bus fare to where you have
to pick up a car and they are staged in various areas throughout the
entire city..
Supereloquent
02-22-09, 13:25
Well walking tbe ave is actually a good idea. On many occasions I'll get tired of driving and use my feet to find some SW'ers. Especially good around the Somerset area where at times LE is just too hot to pull over and do a pick-up. Your big problem is going to be lodging. There really is no place to stay close by. The notels do have full day rates but getting to them with a girl is an issue. Now if you stay in Philly and take a bus to the ave you can always use the Woodshed Bookstore to take your dates and can always ask the girls about any flop houses they know of. There are a couple around and some of the girls will walk there with you. (weather depending).
Now if you have a license, but just not a car. Go to Phillycarshare.org and sign up before you get here. You can rent cars by the hour for a very reasonable fee. Get one when you hit the ave and after the date drop it off, take the bus back to the hotel, recoup and come back later and get another vehicle for a few hours. Nice thing about car share is they will even reimburse your bus fare to where you have to pick up a car and they are staged in various areas throughout the entire city.Walking the Ave is fine, especially in nice weather but, as Davey said, finding a convenient indoor place on foot, not so much. The Woodshed is fine but they charge. 25 for half an hour and it's a dump. If you take an unknown SW's suggestion of an indoor place you always run the risk of an LE sting or a robbery setup. If you are planning several dates in a day, rent a car from "rent a wreck" or Phillycarshare.org. The Carlisle is good for one date (. 20 an hour) and is about 15 to 20 minutes away from the Ave. If you are feeling especially frisky, and want to arrange several dates in a day, you can rent from 7 AM to 4 PM at the Neshaminy Inn on Route One (about 20 to 25 minutes away, depending on traffic) for their day rate of. 34, an all inclusive rate, or stay there while in town. Their overnight rate is. 45 (not sure if that is all inclusive) and they have special weekly rates.
Ok. I'm about to do something completely stupid, and I'm gonna need your guys advice. I've got a couple of days off of work, a really nice new Canon Powershot digital camera, and few hundred dollars in tax money to play with (after paying off bills). So of course, I'm planning on overdosing on Phillies finest SW talent, (and taking a shitload of pictures of course.) Here is the only problem, . I live in NYC, and I don't have a car.
Now before you say (yell) to me to RTFF, almost all of the info on the Ave. Is geared towards the auto monger. From pickup advice to hidden spots, to where to make a you-turn without incurring the wrath of the LE, all advice is geared toward those with cars.
I was planning on leaving Monday (2/23) morning/afternoon and taking Greyhound to Philly. From there I would cab it down to the K find a place, and spend the next 2 days searching for the perfect submissive deep throat, and burning though Cialis. My question is where are any crappy motels/short stay hotels, around the area. I'm forgetting the name of a notel that you guys often use, but even that seems to be out of the vicinity. Maybe I shouldn't concentrate on the K. Is there a better spot in philly for the walking monger to base himself. If Camden would be a better choice, I would be very open to it. My only need is a cheap motel with a bevy of even cheaper SW around.
Having learned my mongering skills in a post Gulianni S. Bronx, (perfect storm of crap for the monger), I'm not afraid of seedy situations and walking up to SW and going back to their hidy-holes. Even though I don't have many posts, I'm an experienced and "enterprising" monger who can spot a "sometimes" girl and turn a "maybe" into a "O. K. , let's go". So don't be afraid to recommend a really seedy place. Besides, I'm a big black guy, I'll probably fit right in, especially in Camden I would love to have some crazy pics and stories to show/tell you guys, (as long as it doesn't involve either LE or a hospital/and or/morgue).
So please help this adventurous monger out, you won't be disappointed. Besides, if you actually take the time out of your day to help me, I can't procrastinate, and put it off till next week/save for early rent/pay credit cards. Wait, . Do I really want to do this? . I should save my mone.
You have an abitious plan and I have to agree with Davey that your biggest problems will be the lack of a car and a nearby notel.
That said you could try to work a deal on a room to rent. I have seen the same person listing the same room for rent on the Ave for 80-100 a week on CL. They ask for a deposit but It will depend on how good of a deal broker you are. Given more time you could probably find a place through one of the girls like Dave mentioned. I would just try to find a warm place with a good lock on the door. Without a car you will also narrow you "hunting ground" so I would recomend focusing on the area around K and Lehigh. Then agian this is probably the most dangerous area and I really would not recomend being on the street much after 8pm.
good luck.
Yes did I say Krista..
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17116
I sure did. Saw her the other night and again this evening. No longer a blonde
but long brunette hair past her shoulders. She put on some well needed
weight and is looking mighty fine again. I stopped dating her a long time
ago as she really headed down hill. If I didn't just finish up a date
I would have picked her up this eve.
Anyone here who remembers her knows her stroll, and she always
wanting to be the "bottom hoe" is out often bringing home the bacon.
Oh yea almost forgot, I know I told someone and thought I posted it
here but I guess I didn't. For all you Mandy lovers she is back again.
She was on a little vacation, but back for our pleasure once again.
Note her new hair color makes her very easy to find!
I hooked up with Sunshine on Monday night around 9. Previously reviewd by Super. Tall and thick blond. Straight hair down to her shoulders. She was walking near the fire station. As she told Super. she doesn't do this often.
I have never seen her before. Very pretty face. We only did a car date but next time I may try a room.
About a 10 or so walkers roaming the ave. Few LE.
There seems to be a few new faces around.
Mr Voyager
02-25-09, 14:20
OK so first my buddy had a bad date with her. Then she's saying Darlene got killed and now...
Does anyone know if the info about Darlene being killed is valid?
I've been with both Tiffany and Darlene. Strange how I didn't have any problems with them, however I can see how if you're not careful and stern with them, they could pull this type of crap with someone.
If Darlene is no longer with us, that will be sad, because she went the extra mile with me (check my earlier posts on Darlene).
Also, cocaine is a helluva drug (in the words of the late Rick James). Tiffany has resorted to hanging on car hoods. That is hilarious. Just goes to show, when you find a fresh thing on the stroll, take full adavantage of it because it doesn't last too long especially when their habit spins out of control.
Supereloquent
02-25-09, 15:46
I hooked up with Sunshine on Monday night around 9. Previously reviewd by Super. Tall and thick blond. Straight hair down to her shoulders. She was walking near the fire station. As she told Super. she doesn't do this often.
I have never seen her before. Very pretty face. We only did a car date but next time I may try a room.
About a 10 or so walkers roaming the ave. Few LE.
There seems to be a few new faces around.Sunshine has a very pretty face, even if a bit thick in the body. As a testament to the fact that she doesn't do this often, she asked me last time what I was up for and I said half and half and she looked at me with her face all crinkled up and said "What's that?" She is a decent indoor FS date in both the S and F categories, not as much natural fun as some, but certainly worth a repeat now and then. She is a quibbler about price because she considers herself better than the "druggies" on the Ave, and doesn't do this much except to make some extra money, but she settles for normal Ave rates without much trouble and doesn't complain about it.
Supereloquent
02-25-09, 16:37
I hadn't seen Anna on the Ave for a long time, but I saw her in her usual spot on a side street north of the 7-11. Anna is a pretty 26 year old, about, 5 feet 5, 120 pounds, with brown hair to her shoulders and a nice body. She has several tats, but the ones I noticed most were butterflies on her left side. Last time I dated her she was having a complexion problem and was getting a little pudgy, but her face looked fine, she lost some weight and her body was almost perfect: very nice tits and ass. I wanted to take some pics but she was very shy about that, so no dice. That's a shame because she is definitely a 7 or 8 overall (body a 9) on my "K scale." Anna is quite pleasant but quiet; she even apologized for it on our drive, but it was no big deal. It certainly is better than a few of the brassy demanding SWs I have picked up.
Anna had a kid at 17 and lives in the burbs (Bensalem), and only does this occasionally for some extra money. Unlike most of my pickups on the Ave, she had me drive her back to her car rather than to a drug house area.
We went to the Carlisle for FS. Anna wanted an above Ave rate but I negotiated her back to earth without much of a problem. However, something told me that giving her a little extra up front would be money well spent and I am glad I went with my instincts. Usually a CBJ has less sensation for obvious reasons but this was the best CBJ I ever had. Anna took me deeply all the way down to the root and with a perfect sucking rhythm and allowed me to bunch up her hair and hold it like a pony tail with one hand and grab the back of her neck with the other and move her head up and down on me and really give her a good mouth and throat fuck. Most gals gag when you do that but not Anna. She let me hold her way down on my cock as long as I wanted as she expertly used her tongue, mouth and throat muscles. It felt so good that I almost came that way, but I wanted to do that young succulent pussy too. I considered doing mish first and then moving to a few other positions, but I just wanted to do her doggie and watch that incredibly cute ass. She squealed and gyrated and I fucked her hard, grabbing on to her ass with both hands and slapping it occasionally. I came sooner than I wanted to because I was so excited but it was incredible.
Anna is a sweet, quiet date with a pretty face, a nice bod, and excellent skills. She reminds me of the shy and quiet girl you dated in HS who was a sex tigress once you got her clothes off. My last experience with her was good, but this time it was outstanding, proving more than ever that YMMV. I give her an A- for looks (B+ for face and A for bod), and an A+ for both S and F. She is definitely repeatable and I have her digits for anyone having valuable digits in return.
Supereloquent
02-25-09, 17:00
I hadn't seen Jennifer around at all until I picked her up for a date and I asked her if she were new. She said she used to do this a lot 12 years ago and then stopped for a long time and now does it occasionally to make some extra money.
Jennifer is average looking, 35 years old (and looks a bit older; the years have not been kind to her), about 5 feet 6, 135 pounds, brown hair to her shoulders and a bit of a belly from having a few kids.
My hope was as it is with all "older" SWs, which was that she was great at a BJ. Plus, the SWs over 30 know they are competing with better looking and younger SWs and generally do not haggle the price. I have not experienced one SW over 30 who wasn't excellent at a BJ and Jennifer was no exception.
Jennifer had sucking skills equal to anyone I have experienced on the Ave. She gave me a wonderful, long, unhurried and varied CBJ with terrific DT. She is not a sweet young thing with a hot bod, but I would definitely repeat for a great BJ, definitely an A+.
I have said it before, but the SWs over 30 should hold a clinic for the SWs under 30 on the art of a good BJ. Some of the SWs under 30 don't need it because they are naturals. But many do and I am convinced that there is some BJ knowledge gained by a woman over time that, like a fine wine, improves with age.
Does anyone know if the info about Darlene being killed is valid?
I've been with both Tiffany and Darlene. Strange how I didn't have any problems with them, however I can see how if you're not careful and stern with them, they could pull this type of crap with someone.
If Darlene is no longer with us, that will be sad, because she went the extra mile with me (check my earlier posts on Darlene).
Also, cocaine is a helluva drug (in the words of the late Rick James). Tiffany has resorted to hanging on car hoods. That is hilarious. Just goes to show, when you find a fresh thing on the stroll, take full adavantage of it because it doesn't last too long especially when their habit spins out of control.
Hate to say to RTF but just go down some posts and you'll see my
update on Darlene.
Blablabla1234
02-25-09, 20:26
Hello,
New here, so this is my first post. I wanted to know if anyone ever picked up a girl named "Dawn" or "Donna; " I picked her up in October on Front st. Under the EL between Girard and Kensington. She was tall (5'7 or 8ish), brunette, around late 30's; she said she used to be a nurse or something and got her license suspended so she was supplementing her income. Anyways, she gave a great BJ and wanted to know if shes still around and if anyone has spotted her. I used to have her number but I lost it (IDIOT).
Any help would be appreciated.
Blablabla1234
02-25-09, 21:51
Hello,
New here, so this is my first post. I wanted to know if anyone ever picked up a girl named "Dawn" or "Donna; " I picked her up in October on Front st. Under the EL between Girard and Kensington. She was tall (5'7 or 8ish), brunette, around late 30's; she said she used to be a nurse or something and got her license suspended so she was supplementing her income. Anyways, she gave a great BJ and wanted to know if shes still around and if anyone has spotted her. I used to have her number but I lost it (IDIOT).
Any help would be appreciated.
Trashed201
02-26-09, 01:32
I don't usually give repeat reports but Sarah is deservingly the exception! She's still the best in Philly in my and probably several other's opinions. Not only is she a talented passionate provider but she's a pleasure to talk with and overall a blast to be around. She's easy to spot. Long strawberry blond hair 31, 5'7 with a little meat on her bones. Nice natural tits, probably C's. Has warrants so catch her while you can. I have digits for those who've been with her before.
Well not having too much success lately on the ave, I've dated a few
girls whom I've seen multiple times in the past as that seems to have
been the best selection. Lets just say I've been a bit picky as of late.
Headed out yesterday morning and either I didn't like the look, LE was
nearby or someone else beat me to a girl. So headed back in the
eve only to see Gianna. Stopped a scooped her up while I had the chance
and had a great time as I always do. For anyone who knows her, the oral
skills are top notch and if you don't you need to find her. The rest of her
skills are good as well, but the BJ is her best asset. She's off the dope and
so far is doing good at it. Her arms have really cleared up and has on
a few pounds and looks really good.
Here's a link to her photo in the gallery:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=58960
Hello,
New here, so this is my first post. I wanted to know if anyone ever picked up a girl named "Dawn" or "Donna; " I picked her up in October on Front st. Under the EL between Girard and Kensington. She was tall (5'7 or 8ish), brunette, around late 30's; she said she used to be a nurse or something and got her license suspended so she was supplementing her income. Anyways, she gave a great BJ and wanted to know if shes still around and if anyone has spotted her. I used to have her number but I lost it (IDIOT).
Any help would be appreciated.Did she have lots of tattoos?
Freaklikdat
03-03-09, 20:28
SMH. you have always been suspect in my book. You go over to the Ft. lauderdale forumn and make up a story of your encounter with a beautiful female You claimed was a SW and provide numerous photo to back you fraudulent story.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=775955
A few of that boards members called you out on you bogas story! Longjohn78
provided to link to this girls real profile on another site with proof that the pics you posted were actually taken # years ago you f@#king FRAUD
http://x02test.xtube.com/community/profile.php?user=leila_xxx
I hadn't seen Jennifer around at all until I picked her up for a date and I asked her if she were new. She said she used to do this a lot 12 years ago and then stopped for a long time and now does it occasionally to make some extra money.
Jennifer is average looking, 35 years old (and looks a bit older; the years have not been kind to her), about 5 feet 6, 135 pounds, brown hair to her shoulders and a bit of a belly from having a few kids.
My hope was as it is with all "older" SWs, which was that she was great at a BJ. Plus, the SWs over 30 know they are competing with better looking and younger SWs and generally do not haggle the price. I have not experienced one SW over 30 who wasn't excellent at a BJ and Jennifer was no exception.
Jennifer had sucking skills equal to anyone I have experienced on the Ave. She gave me a wonderful, long, unhurried and varied CBJ with terrific DT. She is not a sweet young thing with a hot bod, but I would definitely repeat for a great BJ, definitely an A+.
I have said it before, but the SWs over 30 should hold a clinic for the SWs under 30 on the art of a good BJ. Some of the SWs under 30 don't need it because they are naturals. But many do and I am convinced that there is some BJ knowledge gained by a woman over time that, like a fine wine, improves with age.
If you get a chance check out the thread in the Ft. Lauderdale SW section. Work of pure fiction. Hard to take any of his posts any other way
If you get a chance check out the thread in the Ft. Lauderdale SW section. Work of pure fiction. Hard to take any of his posts any other wayTalk about melting down or flaming out in an instant. What the hell happened? What were you thinking?
It's pretty damn hard not to consider all of your previous posts pure fiction now that you've been flat-out busted posting false reports and plagerizing old porn pics on the Ft. Lauderdale and Baltimore boards. Falsifying reports is unforgiveable IMO.
At this point even if Jackson chooses not to ban you outright you probably ought to do the right thing and just slink away into the shadows, not to be heard from again. Man you really blew it. What did you go uncovered and pick up a case of the clap that's now rotting out your brain cells?
Trashed201
03-04-09, 01:14
Talk about melting down or flaming out in an instant. What the hell happened? What were you thinking?
It's pretty damn hard not to consider all of your previous posts pure fiction now that you've been flat-out busted posting false reports and plagerizing old porn pics on the Ft. Lauderdale and Baltimore boards. Falsifying reports is unforgiveable IMO.
At this point even if Jackson chooses not to ban you outright you probably ought to do the right thing and just slink away into the shadows, not to be heard from again. Man you really blew it. What did you go uncovered and pick up a case of the clap that's now rotting out your brain cells?I don't know what you guys are talking about? Supereloquent's been super helpful to me.His reports on blonde Sarah and Torresdale Cheryl were dead on accurate. I've been with both and everything he's said is 100% correct. I look forward to many reports for a long time.
Supereloquent
03-04-09, 01:26
Talk about melting down or flaming out in an instant. What the hell happened? What were you thinking?
It's pretty damn hard not to consider all of your previous posts pure fiction now that you've been flat-out busted posting false reports and plagerizing old porn pics on the Ft. Lauderdale and Baltimore boards. Falsifying reports is unforgiveable IMO.
At this point even if Jackson chooses not to ban you outright you probably ought to do the right thing and just slink away into the shadows, not to be heard from again. Man you really blew it. What did you go uncovered and pick up a case of the clap that's now rotting out your brain cells?See my explanation and apology in the General Reports thread. Suffice it to say that the lessons to be learned here are: 1. Password protect your computer and don't let anyone else use it, 2. Don't be lazy and allow automatic logon to this site without requiring your password, and 3. Always expect the worst from your younger brother, especially when inebriated.
It takes many acts to build a good reputation and only one incident to destroy it, even if it isn't your fault. There are many on here who can corroborate that my information, descriptions and experiences are accurate and reflect somewhat similar experiences they have had with the same SWs, and there are many things which have never been posted here which I reported on and couldn't possibly know unless I actually had the experience. I have also shared private and valuable information in this regard with some regular contributors to this forum.
It would be easy to "slink away into the shadows." Many on here are already in the shadows, post infrequently, if at all, and rely on the information of others. I get dozens and dozens of PMs from members with posts in the single digits, wanting all kinds of valuable information. I find that offensive and unfair. They should be sharing information if they expect to get information. But if members decide that my information is unreliable and choose to disregard my posts then that is their choice. There is an option called "ignore." Choose it and you will never see my posts again. It will be like I didn't even exist.
It takes many acts to build a good reputation and only one incident to destroy it... Yes you are quite right. I hope your explanation is true. When I tried to imagine how something like this could happen and not be your fault, the imposter excuse is the only one I could come up w/ other than insanity, whether syphillis-related or not. Up to this point I would agree that your reputation was fine.
As for your explanation, I would say there are still a couple of odd aspects to it that make me somewhat leery. First, you (or your mischevious, inebriated brother) posted a request way back on Jan 10, 2009 asking for information on Ft. Lauderdale strolls.
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Visiting Monger Looking for Stroll Information
"I know the Philly strolls cold, so if you are visiting let me know. But I will be in business in the Boca Raton area for a week in early February. Can anyone give me some info on convenient strolls from there, what times are best, and pricing? If you don't want to be alerting LE, send me a PM."
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Very plausible request. Then almost two months later - and after many many intervening reports by you on the Philly threads - your brother goes online and in his drunkenness not only stumbles across this site but he selectively chooses to go back to that Ft. Lauderdale thread (as well as onto the Baltimore thread) to write a follow-up trip report that certainly on the face of it seems written in the same style as your usual posts. To top off his prank, your brother goes the extra mile and uploads two sets of pics to the Florida report that conveniently feature one of the most impressively large dicks ever seen on USASexGuide. That detail of course recalls and offers "proof" of your one-time frequent reference to your extraordinary girth.
The Florida report was believable enough that several posters including a few very experienced seniors initially offered praise and congratulations on your score. It was only after a couple of mongers chimed in w/ cries of "liar" re the photos that the fakery was exposed. Whatever the circumstances, I believe you are sincere in your apology. But at the moment I'd say your reputation is hanging by a thread.
Supereloquent
03-04-09, 12:56
Yes you are quite right. I hope your explanation is true. When I tried to imagine how something like this could happen and not be your fault, the imposter excuse is the only one I could come up w/ other than insanity, whether syphillis-related or not. Up to this point I would agree that your reputation was fine.
As for your explanation, I would say there are still a couple of odd aspects to it that make me somewhat leery. First, you (or your mischevious, inebriated brother) posted a request way back on Jan 10, 2009 asking for information on Ft. Lauderdale strolls.
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Visiting Monger Looking for Stroll Information
"I know the Philly strolls cold, so if you are visiting let me know. But I will be in business in the Boca Raton area for a week in early February. Can anyone give me some info on convenient strolls from there, what times are best, and pricing? If you don't want to be alerting LE, send me a PM. "
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Very plausible request. Then almost two months later. And after many many intervening reports by you on the Philly threads. Your brother goes online and in his drunkenness not only stumbles across this site but he selectively chooses to go back to that Ft. Lauderdale thread (as well as onto the Baltimore thread) to write a follow-up trip report that certainly on the face of it seems written in the same style as your usual posts. To top off his prank, your brother goes the extra mile and uploads two sets of pics to the Florida report that conveniently feature one of the most impressively large dicks ever seen on USASexGuide. That detail of course recalls and offers "proof" of your one-time frequent reference to your extraordinary girth.
The Florida report was believable enough that several posters including a few very experienced seniors initially offered praise and congratulations on your score. It was only after a couple of mongers chimed in w/ cries of "liar" re the photos that the fakery was exposed. Whatever the circumstances, I believe you are sincere in your apology. But at the moment I'd say your reputation is hanging by a thread.The hell of it is that I WAS in Fort Lauderdale on business, and my brother knew that. If only the fiction he wrote about it were true. I did try the "Pompano stroll" while there and it was dry as a bone. As for Baltimore, my brother used to live there, so I suppose that selection is no mystery. As for bragging rights to size: the fake Baltimore pics he used certainly wouldn't impress anyone. And only a drunk man could avoid seeing that the pics he found online were the same girl (or maybe even different girls) with different clothes and even different nail Polish in each pic, and even different cocks from one city to another! Nobody ever accused my brother of being dumb (he has a Masters degree in American Literature), but mischievous and lacking judgment when high? YES!
Dark Phoenix
03-04-09, 13:23
I don't know what you guys are talking about? Supereloquent's been super helpful to me.His reports on blonde Sarah and Torresdale Cheryl were dead on accurate. I've been with both and everything he's said is 100% correct. I look forward to many reports for a long time.Can't comment on the blond Sarah report, but the report on Torresdale Cheryl might at least be partially based on second hand knowledge. I'd originally written the first report on her, I think it was my 12/22/08 report, and not long after that I got PM'd by Supereloquent for more info on her, which I provided. Now, since I did provide specific location info, he may in fact have dated her, but on the other hand it's not as if there wasn't other info out there to stitch together.
For the most part, I think it's not unfair to say that's true of most SW's reviewed here- most of them have been reviewed before and info is out there. My skepticism, if any, is only because the one post was exposed as a clear fabrication and just the sheer number of reports of activity with multiple SWs over a weekend - and I mean more than 3 or 4 - seems a little questionable sometimes. A demonstrably false report, however, is grounds for questioning. If I put a witness on the stand and show, through cross examination that beyond a doubt, part of the testimony he gave is false, how do you know whether or not to believe the rest?
Supereloquent
03-04-09, 14:09
Can't comment on the blond Sarah report, but the report on Torresdale Cheryl might at least be partially based on second hand knowledge. I'd originally written the first report on her, I think it was my 12/22/08 report, and not long after that I got PM'd by Supereloquent for more info on her, which I provided. Now, since I did provide specific location info, he may in fact have dated her, but on the other hand it's not as if there wasn't other info out there to stitch together.
For the most part, I think it's not unfair to say that's true of most SW's reviewed here- most of them have been reviewed before and info is out there. My skepticism, if any, is only because the one post was exposed as a clear fabrication and just the sheer number of reports of activity with multiple SWs over a weekend. And I mean more than 3 or 4. Seems a little questionable sometimes. A demonstrably false report, however, is grounds for questioning. If I put a witness on the stand and show, through cross examination that beyond a doubt, part of the testimony he gave is false, how do you know whether or not to believe the rest? At least get your story straight. You gave me a number for the Cheryl on K, NOT Torresdale (by the way, Cheryl was no longer at that number the day you gave it to me). The Cheryl you gave me the number for is about 22 and works the K. Torresdale Cheryl is 35, and I was the first one to ever report on her. Trashed201 can confirm that I connected him with her and she was exactly what I said she was.
As for activity: when I visit the K I like to make it worth my while and see several SWs. I used to do the independent escort, in-house places and AMPs but your capital is pretty much used up in one visit unless you are very wealthy or don't care to pay the light bill that month. I can see 3 to 4 (or more if I am feeling up to it) SWs in a fun day on K and/or Torresdale and/or Old York for about the same price, or less, as ONE experience with any of the above I have mentioned. As long as you pace yourself and have the time it is no big deal.
Supereloquent
03-04-09, 15:09
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Yes did I say Krista..
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17116
I sure did. Saw her the other night and again this evening. No longer a blonde
but long brunette hair past her shoulders. She put on some well needed
weight and is looking mighty fine again. I stopped dating her a long time
ago as she really headed down hill. If I didn't just finish up a date
I would have picked her up this eve.
Anyone here who remembers her knows her stroll, and she always
wanting to be the "bottom hoe" is out often bringing home the bacon.
So I happened to out and about this morning on my way to work passed the "none of that stuff" dealer and who did I see strolling by but my old friend Krista.
I waived she immediately recognized me so I stop to shoot the shit with her a little and see what happened to her in the past 2 years she has been MIA.
Well I just couldn't help myself and despite the fact I was supposed to be on my way to work I said fuck it and told Krista to hop in. Went back to my place and chatted on the way. I like Davey remember her when things were bad, very bad, to the point I wouldn't pick her up anymore either just cause she was so fucked up on drugs she wasn't even a good date anymore.
Well she looked great, and when I got her back to my place and got her clothes off I was just blown away. Yes her body does show a little wear and tear but over all her body is spectacular now, and her breasts, damn, I could not keep my hands off those things, a D at least and beautiful.
Now for all the time we spent together back in the day we both realized we have never had sex together, lots of BJ's but no sex. Well that was about to change today. This girl knows how to fuck, and she genuinely seemed to enjoy the ride as well. CG, Doggie, BBBJ, DFK all were just awesome. I don't know if she was this good because she knows me and is comfortable with me so YMMV but I can't complain.
2 jacks and a ham for the trouble. Krista has earned herself a spot in my top 5 for sure. Just hope things stay good and she doesn't start another downward spiral.
Z
So I happened to out and about this morning on my way to work passed the "none of that stuff" dealer and who did I see strolling by but my old friend Krista.
I waived she immediately recognized me so I stop to shoot the shit with her a little and see what happened to her in the past 2 years she has been MIA.
Wow. I guess I'd missed Davey's report about a recent Krista sighting. So Zaphod are you going to tease us by making each of us date Krista to find out what happened to her for the past 2 years? How about a clue at least :-) I suppose jail or prison are the most likely possibilities but I seem to to remember her talking about a mom living in the San Francisco area (I think) and some interest in spending time out there.
As I recall the last time she was on the stroll, she didn't last too long before she was gone again - I'd assumed forever. As you and Davey indicate, drugs had really taken their toll on her the last time I dated her and I'd pretty much written her off as someone I'd date again. It's great to hear she's looking so good. She certainly did look good at one time back in the day. Of course all that said, it's not likely that her return to the Ave marks a good sign in her recovery.
Even when she was in obvious bad shape, I always found Krista to be someone who gave an honest day's effort in return for your money. Pleasant, no rush, good skills. Like you, my only experience with her has been BBBJCIMs, quite a few of them. Sounds like her FS is worth sampling too but I've gotta say I'm somewhat surprised to hear she offered up DFK as part of the basic menu. I'll keep my eyes open for her on my less-than-frequent visits to the Ave these days.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Dark Phoenix
03-05-09, 18:22
At least get your story straight. You gave me a number for the Cheryl on K, NOT Torresdale (by the way, Cheryl was no longer at that number the day you gave it to me). The Cheryl you gave me the number for is about 22 and works the K. Torresdale Cheryl is 35, and I was the first one to ever report on her. Trashed201 can confirm that I connected him with her and she was exactly what I said she was.
As for activity: when I visit the K I like to make it worth my while and see several SWs. I used to do the independent escort, in-house places and AMPs but your capital is pretty much used up in one visit unless you are very wealthy or don't care to pay the light bill that month. I can see 3 to 4 (or more if I am feeling up to it) SWs in a fun day on K and/or Torresdale and/or Old York for about the same price, or less, as ONE experience with any of the above I have mentioned. As long as you pace yourself and have the time it is no big deal.Uh, no. Look at my 12/28 report, it clearly indicates Cheryl works Torresdale. Never saw her on the K except one time about 2 hours after I'd done a date with her on Torresdale. And the one I've reviewed here and provided info to you on is in her 30s, blond, skinny. Last I saw her about 3 weeks ago she was allegedly going into an inpatient program so can't say what the deal is with her now.
I don't roll with you, and I have conceded that you may have been with her, so I have no intention on getting into another flame war. You've undoubtedly provided good info on a number of gals, but a false report is a lapse and raises issues. You've offered an excuse for that, and it's not up to me to be the final arbiter of whether it's valid or not. All I really was pointing out is that a false report taints the integrity of the poster.
I came back to edit this note after receiving a private message from Super. It reads:
"You gave me the digits for brunette Cheryl, 22, on K (btw, she wasn't there any more the day you sent them).
Trashed201 was talking about blond Cheryl, 35, on Torresdale. You implied that you gave me her number and posted a previous report on her, which you did NEITHER. I wrote the first report on her and I was the first to get her digits.
Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon to smear my credibility without even bothering to check which Cheryl to which Trashed201 was referring.
At the very least I deserve a retraction and apology on your part."
Again, this is a misstatement of fact. Don't know if it's accidental or deliberate, but the fact is I don't know any young Cheryl, and don't know of any Cheryl who works the K at all as stated above. To refresh your memory, here's the exchange of PM's we had on Cheryl beginning on 1/2/09, before your report, which will demonstrate the falsity of your statements above:
Re: Blond Cheryl
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Supereloquent
Where does blond Cheryl hang out on the Torresdale stroll?
Thanks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Phoenix
I've seen her mostly around Benner, Comly or Howell (which are all consecutive intersections). However, I've tried calling her about 3x over the past week and no answer or return call, so she may be inactive, gone or in jail.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supereloquent
Thanks for the info. I seem to be striking out on Torresdale in the day (Around noon to 5). Is it strictly an evening stroll?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Phoenix
Can't really say I've ever even tried in the daytime. There are some old reports of action in the AM drive time. The volume is really never what it is on Kensington Ave, even at night. I just like the convenience of it for me, since what seems to be the most active area, near Howell, is literally a 5 minute drive for me. I'd never recommend it over the K by any means though.
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I have no axe to grind with you, but I really don't know what you're referring to and it seems there's some confusion on your part. I don't think I have anything to either retract or apologize for, though. If I did, I would. Sorry if I played any role in sending you over the deep end, since it seems that's where you've gone and I really don't have any animosity and don't wish you ill. Just wouldn't go cruising in Ft. Lauderdale looking for the chick munching on the huge cock at this point.
And Davey, thanks for the "testimonial." Speaking of sore pussies, have you seen you know who recently?
Supereloquent
03-05-09, 18:38
Uh, no. Look at my 12/28 report, it clearly indicates Cheryl works Torresdale. Never saw her on the K except one time about 2 hours after I'd done a date with her on Torresdale. And the one I've reviewed here and provided info to you on is in her 30s, blond, skinny. Last I saw her about 3 weeks ago she was allegedly going into an inpatient program so can't say what the deal is with her now.
I don't roll with you, and I have conceded that you may have been with her, so I have no intention on getting into another flame war. You've undoubtedly provided good info on a number of gals, but a false report is a lapse and raises issues. You've offered an excuse for that, and it's not up to me to be the final arbiter of whether it's valid or not. All I really was pointing out is that a false report taints the integrity of the poster.
And Davey, thanks for the "testimonial." Speaking of sore pussies, have you seen you know who recently?I got Torresdale Cheryl's digits, and you didn't give them to me, so that is about as much "proof" that I was with her as I can offer you (and Trashed201 can verify that the digits, which I shared with him, worked). But I don't appreciate your insinuating in the first place that I got the information on her second hand from you or your report.
Wow. I guess I'd missed Davey's report about a recent Krista sighting. So Zaphod are you going to tease us by making each of us date Krista to find out what happened to her for the past 2 years? How about a clue at least :-) I suppose jail or prison are the most likely possibilities but I seem to to remember her talking about a mom living in the San Francisco area (I think) and some interest in spending time out there.
As I recall the last time she was on the stroll, she didn't last too long before she was gone again - I'd assumed forever. As you and Davey indicate, drugs had really taken their toll on her the last time I dated her and I'd pretty much written her off as someone I'd date again. It's great to hear she's looking so good. She certainly did look good at one time back in the day. Of course all that said, it's not likely that her return to the Ave marks a good sign in her recovery.
Even when she was in obvious bad shape, I always found Krista to be someone who gave an honest day's effort in return for your money. Pleasant, no rush, good skills. Like you, my only experience with her has been BBBJCIMs, quite a few of them. Sounds like her FS is worth sampling too but I've gotta say I'm somewhat surprised to hear she offered up DFK as part of the basic menu. I'll keep my eyes open for her on my less-than-frequent visits to the Ave these days.Lol, actually I didn't think anyone wanted to hear about that part..lol.
Pretty much what you would expect, Jail time took up most of it, then she was in rehab for awhile. Got herself together just to find herself back in this scene again. I asked why, and basicly just got a shrug and an I don't know.
I suggest you pay her a visit sooner rather then later if she intrests you given her track record.
Z
Lol, actually I didn't think anyone wanted to hear about that part..lol.
Pretty much what you would expect, Jail time took up most of it, then she was in rehab for awhile. Got herself together just to find herself back in this scene again. I asked why, and basicly just got a shrug and an I don't know.
I suggest you pay her a visit sooner rather then later if she intrests you given her track record.
ZI have to agree she was alway plesant. She used to be out all the time, almost as much as Kate used to be at D&D. I always appreciated the fact that even if you drove by her one day she would not hassel you the next time you stopped for her. Never tried to flag you down either. I wish she could have broken the cycle.
Trashed201
03-06-09, 01:42
At least get your story straight. You gave me a number for the Cheryl on K, NOT Torresdale (by the way, Cheryl was no longer at that number the day you gave it to me). The Cheryl you gave me the number for is about 22 and works the K. Torresdale Cheryl is 35, and I was the first one to ever report on her. Trashed201 can confirm that I connected him with her and she was exactly what I said she was.
As for activity: when I visit the K I like to make it worth my while and see several SWs. I used to do the independent escort, in-house places and AMPs but your capital is pretty much used up in one visit unless you are very wealthy or don't care to pay the light bill that month. I can see 3 to 4 (or more if I am feeling up to it) SWs in a fun day on K and/or Torresdale and/or Old York for about the same price, or less, as ONE experience with any of the above I have mentioned. As long as you pace yourself and have the time it is no big deal.In spite of the disbeliever's I must support Super as he did provide me with Torresdale Cheryl's digits. They and his detailed description of her were dead on accurate. He's a ok in my book. I'm not here to change opinions just state my factual experience with him.
CockMaster
03-06-09, 10:55
I walk. I don't drive the K. No way. Took the El to Somerset St and jumped off. What a hood. Nothing but drug deals and SW. INOW if you are going to walk or stand on a conner on the K. Please look like you may fit in. Look over at the WOODSHED and right out front there stood a old white guy (I'm white) with a tie and coat looking for a BJ. Man. Oh. Man. Fit in.
In 5 minutes I pick-up Sandy a 19y SW fresh out of re-hab from a small pa town called Handover. In the woodshed and the place was standing room only for a room. Into room. She takes off all her clothes and what a sweet hairy pussy. With 19y little tit's. Tight ASS. Not bad looking. Suck my cock. I rubber up and do a Booty Bang. Off with the comden and she wraps up with a BBBJCIM. The Order came to woodshed 25. SW 25.
I walk. I don't drive the K. No way. Took the El to Somerset St and jumped off. What a hood. Nothing but drug deals and SW. INOW if you are going to walk or stand on a conner on the K. Please look like you may fit in. Look over at the WOODSHED and right out front there stood a old white guy (I'm white) with a tie and coat looking for a BJ. Man. Oh. Man. Fit in.
In 5 minutes I pick-up Sandy a 19y SW fresh out of re-hab from a small pa town called Handover. In the woodshed and the place was standing room only for a room. Into room. She takes off all her clothes and what a sweet hairy pussy. With 19y little tit's. Tight ASS. Not bad looking. Suck my cock. I rubber up and do a Booty Bang. Off with the comden and she wraps up with a BBBJCIM. The Order came to woodshed 25. SW 25.
Holy cow! Standing room only in the Woodshed. Seems like business on
the ave is thriving just fine.Were they using the upstairs as well? I've
seen times where you had to wait when the still had the upstairs available
but weren't letting anyone up there. Sounds like a good find, but as
in my recent post to Super "whats up with the hairy pussy on the ave".
I guess since the Patio closed mongers haven't been throwing the
girls in the shower with a shaving kit as much as the used to.
So I happened to out and about this morning on my way to work passed the "none of that stuff" dealer and who did I see strolling by but my old friend Krista.
I waived she immediately recognized me so I stop to shoot the shit with her a little and see what happened to her in the past 2 years she has been MIA.
Well I just couldn't help myself and despite the fact I was supposed to be on my way to work I said fuck it and told Krista to hop in. Went back to my place and chatted on the way. I like Davey remember her when things were bad, very bad, to the point I wouldn't pick her up anymore either just cause she was so fucked up on drugs she wasn't even a good date anymore.
Well she looked great, and when I got her back to my place and got her clothes off I was just blown away. Yes her body does show a little wear and tear but over all her body is spectacular now, and her breasts, damn, I could not keep my hands off those things, a D at least and beautiful.
Now for all the time we spent together back in the day we both realized we have never had sex together, lots of BJ's but no sex. Well that was about to change today. This girl knows how to fuck, and she genuinely seemed to enjoy the ride as well. CG, Doggie, BBBJ, DFK all were just awesome. I don't know if she was this good because she knows me and is comfortable with me so YMMV but I can't complain.
2 jacks and a ham for the trouble. Krista has earned herself a spot in my top 5 for sure. Just hope things stay good and she doesn't start another downward spiral.
Z
Hey Zaphod, you forgot to mention if she was shaved or not. I think I'm
on a roll this morning posting about hairy pussies. I have a free weekend
coming up next week and wondering if I need to bring the weedwacker
with me to start cleaning these girls up a bit.
Dark Phoenix
03-07-09, 15:28
Hit the K about midnight last night, and it was dead except for a lot of activity around the bars. TONS of LE out practically everywhere. Nothing doing until about 1 am, when I see a youngish blond, not really chubby but curvy, walking in sweats and sneaks near Cumberland. Wasn't really sure about her - she had the hood up so I couldn't get a good look at first but I circled around a few times til I could ensure she was in fact cute.
Her name's Angie, she's 19 and according to her, doesn't do the SW thing often, but on the other hand I note she didn't had digits since she lost her cell phone so she's not that much of a newbie either. Reasonably cute, a little acne on the face, and a little shy at first, but a cute round butt, nice big round tits and a really soft smooth body. She didn't want to go too far, so we found a spot I was only marginally comfortable with at first, but then she started giving me a really nice BBBJ. Not DT, but pretty damn close and she had a very enthusiastic technique. Since she was wearing sweats, it was easy for me to reach around and start playing with her pussy, and she really started to respond. Things got heated enough I asked if she wanted to fuck, even though I only originally intended a BJ.
She responded with a big smile on her face and I could tell she wanted to also. She whipped off the sweats, and I was mildly disappointed to see a pretty hairy pussy, but her cute little young body made up for it (incidentally she says she normally shaves, but it's been weeks obviously). Great enthusiastic fuck - she was so wet she left evidence behind on the leather seat - and she clearly was having a lot of fun also. Gave her my number, next time I think it's a room, a shower and a shave. Don't know if she's been reviewed here before or not because I was too lazy to do a search. But definitely worth a shot if you can catch her. Nice disposition too. I'd given her 30 for the BJ and when we did the upgrade she asked for 40 but took 25, so she's right in the range.
Hey Zaphod, you forgot to mention if she was shaved or not. I think I'm
on a roll this morning posting about hairy pussies. I have a free weekend
coming up next week and wondering if I need to bring the weedwacker
with me to start cleaning these girls up a bit.
She's not clean shaven if that's what your looking for. Yea she's got a decent amount of bush going, don't bother me really but I know it's a problem for some. Not outta control 70's porn bush mind you (ewww) but probably too much for your tastes Davey.
As an update to my previous post, shes been pulling all-nighters so I'm afraid the downward spiral may be in progress already.
Z
Well in addition to my surprise of the return of Krista, I have run into another of the K Alumni. Some of you may remember Leigha or Layaha as she was sometimes referred to.
She's an old Reg and friend of mine and she sort of back as she put it. She's put on a good bit of weight so I tend to believe her when she tells me shes still clean. An unfortunate set of circumstances have put her back in Kensington and she back to her old "tricks" to make some extra cash.
Says she is trying to stick to her old Reg's like me so if you don't know her you may have some difficulty, as such I am posting this for the benefits of the other vet's out here that know her.
Z
Gebaeater69
03-10-09, 23:24
Visting, would like to find a stroll in NE Philly.
Visting, would like to find a stroll in NE Philly.
Did you even try to look for this information yourself, it's all in here you know.
Z
Visting, would like to find a stroll in NE Philly.
Hyattsen Rd is legendary as THE Philadelphia stroll. It is right off of 76 East after Girard.
Dark Phoenix
03-12-09, 10:29
Hyattsen Rd is legendary as THE Philadelphia stroll. It is right off of 76 East after Girard.
You've just been sent on a snipe hunt! Better read the forum. NE Philly only has one stroll and not particularly active, nor is the best talent there. If you're willing to go a little more toward Center City, hit Kensington Avenue, which is more than adequately discussed in this thread.
Dark Phoenix
03-12-09, 10:31
Her name's Angie, she's 19 and according to her, doesn't do the SW thing often, but on the other hand I note she didn't had digits since she lost her cell phone so she's not that much of a newbie either. Reasonably cute, a little acne on the face, and a little shy at first, but a cute round butt, nice big round tits and a really soft smooth body.
Correction: name's Ashley. She called me to see if I wanted to do a date Tuesday and I realized after I'd screwed up her name in my post. Tried to meet her at @ 8:30 at a prearranged place but she no showed.
You've just been sent on a snipe hunt! Better read the forum. NE Philly only has one stroll and not particularly active, nor is the best talent there. If you're willing to go a little more toward Center City, hit Kensington Avenue, which is more than adequately discussed in this thread.
Geez..When did you become such a nice guy !!! Hey, I saw our recent
conquest out and about the other day, but was gone by the time
I got to turn around. Have you seen or heard from her lately.
Supereloquent
03-12-09, 12:32
You've just been sent on a snipe hunt! Better read the forum. NE Philly only has one stroll and not particularly active, nor is the best talent there. If you're willing to go a little more toward Center City, hit Kensington Avenue, which is more than adequately discussed in this thread.Wow, it's been years since I heard that term. We used to use that as initiation for Tenderfoot campers in the Boy Scouts. The other one was "ear lobes," an infection of the ear for first time campers, the only cure for which was painting the entire ear red with mercurochrome. I think this first time poster got his ears painted and you ruined all the fun by telling him that ear lobes were part of his ear. Were you a Boy Scout, Dark Phoenix, or is a snipe hunt something everyone went on as a kid?
Dark Phoenix
03-12-09, 13:05
Geez..When did you become such a nice guy !!! Hey, I saw our recent
conquest out and about the other day, but was gone by the time
I got to turn around. Have you seen or heard from her lately.
Well, it's one thing to say RTFF and another to send someone off to a nonexistent location. Plus, if a monger is cruising around with money to spend but is sent off on a wild goose chase, a provider goes without, and that's ultimately bad for the economy. Small business is the engine of our economic growth, after all. But I digress.
I haven't seen or heard from Johanna in probably about a month. The last time she called it was about 6:30 on a Sunday morning and she was sounding VERY rough in the voicemail she left. This was right in the beginning of that evil cold snap, and even I took a few weeks off from the stroll to just while away the hours in relative warmth with "straight" girls (but I'm over that and feeling much better now, thanks).
I didn't call back, since dating a girl who's going thru withdrawal usually yields a pretty shitty experience, and I was less than happy with her last performance, when she was in too much pain to take me on. That was just horseshit. She can be nice, but the time frame between her bouts of the DTs when she's worth seeing seem to be shorter and shorter each time I see her. I might try again if I happen to catch her walking around, but don't know if I'd reach out. Have you tried calling her recently? I'd be surprised if she still had a working number. I'd actually like to give it another shot with redheaded Sarah, but haven't seen her at all.
Mostly when I've been hitting the K it's been kind of late and I tend to gravitate toward Stacy when I can find her. The FS has been getting absolutely amazing between us and the oral service is right up there at the top of the list.
Just also ran into someone new Tuesday nite around 9 - hispanic girl named Belinda. Very tiny little thing, probably a little under 5 feet...the absolute definition of a spinner. Said her background's Peruvian (like the residue on my mirror in the 80s), and she actually has some of those Inca-type facial features, but she's Cherry Hill all the way when you talk to her. Very cute little girl voice too....did that sound too creepy and perverted? It's actually adorable to hear her talk.
She does a pretty nice BBBJ although her tiny size kind of inhibited things a little. When she seemed to be getting tired, I suggested FS and she agreed for another .20 bringing the tab to .50. That wasn't so great - she was really, really, really tight (too much so for me) and not that wet either, so that didn't help. Overall she just wasn't into the FS end of it, although she is very skillful with dirty talk, which I do like. Very pleasant and accommodating, though, so I have to give her credit for that. Seemed like there were a lot of large yellow vehicles nearby when I met her....
Abcpanther
03-12-09, 15:43
Just curious. I knew I wasn't really out there, but figured in the last couple years, I did ok. In any case, I was trying to find a particular WSW and couldn't remember her name. So I figured I would check out the "Alphabetized Listing", then put out a shout out for her. No luck in finding my "girl".
In any case, I went through all of them and tracked how many SWs I was with in two years. I figured that I would be around 25% of them. Again, I'm not out there that much....to my surprise, I was with only 15 of 124 (12%). Certainly not a power monger.
If you got time, check out the pics. Might bring back some memories. I know it did for me...are you a "Power Monger"?
Dark Phoenix
03-12-09, 18:16
I think this first time poster got his ears painted and you ruined all the fun by telling him that ear lobes were part of his ear. Were you a Boy Scout, Dark Phoenix, or is a snipe hunt something everyone went on as a kid?
...I was never a Boy Scout. However, I did take part in sending a few dweebs out into the woods looking for snipe in camp when I was a kid. True story: one of them got lost in the woods for 4 days, and we all got in a shitload of trouble. Wasn't so funny in the end. Guess that's why I had a conscience here, but in my own defense, I did tell the hapless noob to RTFF which is what he should've done in the first place.
Supereloquent
03-12-09, 19:33
...I was never a Boy Scout. However, I did take part in sending a few dweebs out into the woods looking for snipe in camp when I was a kid. True story: one of them got lost in the woods for 4 days, and we all got in a shitload of trouble. Wasn't so funny in the end. Guess that's why I had a conscience here, but in my own defense, I did tell the hapless noob to RTFF which is what he should've done in the first place.You are right. Having a conscience was the high road. I only led a snipe hunt once and they wanted to stay out all night until they caught one. Maybe the joke was really on me.
HOWEVER.
The "hapless noob" (boob? ) was obviously too lazy to RTFF and probably too lazy to even look up what RTFF even means, and; therefore, likely too lazy to check out the street before going there. I would have loved to be a fly inside his car when he tried to find the first exit after Girard (wouldn't that be the Vine Street Expressway/Route 676? ) and seeing the crinkled faces and puzzled looks as he asked everyone in Center City where the legendary "Hyattsen Road" was.
It was just a funny thought. The Golden Rule was the right thing to apply and you had some past experience to remind you. After what I have been through on this Forum I definitely have seen the dark side of that, like the kid lost in the woods. Perhaps a few mongers here will learn the lesson you did. One can only hope.
Just curious. I knew I wasn't really out there, but figured in the last couple years, I did ok. In any case, I was trying to find a particular WSW and couldn't remember her name. So I figured I would check out the "Alphabetized Listing", then put out a shout out for her. No luck in finding my "girl".
In any case, I went through all of them and tracked how many SWs I was with in two years. I figured that I would be around 25% of them. Again, I'm not out there that much....to my surprise, I was with only 15 of 124 (12%). Certainly not a power monger.
If you got time, check out the pics. Might bring back some memories. I know it did for me...are you a "Power Monger"?
I think I counted 66...
Abcpanther
03-13-09, 16:26
I think I counted 66...
That's closer to what I was thinking...but fell way short. Here's another thought.
Monger Investment: Average Spent x SWs x Average Visits per SWs
My Investment: .30 x 15 x 1.5 = 6.75 investment
Of course, I didn't include who wasn't on the list...have no way to figure that out....but it would be interesting....
The Monger Hobby!
Can someone confirm what the cost of the Carlyle has be recently. I do not stop there often but when I did recently I found that 1 hour was 20. I always thought it had been 25 but have probably only been there 5 times.
Supereloquent
03-14-09, 00:49
Can someone confirm what the cost of the Carlyle has be recently. I do not stop there often but when I did recently I found that 1 hour was 20. I always thought it had been 25 but have probably only been there 5 times.I was just there last Friday. They have 4 prices: one hour is 20, 2 hours is 30, 12 hours is 55 and 24 hours is 70.
Can someone confirm what the cost of the Carlyle has be recently. I do not stop there often but when I did recently I found that 1 hour was 20. I always thought it had been 25 but have probably only been there 5 times.
Last time I was there about 3 months ago it was 20 for the hour.
Z
Thank You for the conformation guys. I must be confusing it with the old patio which I visited more often. 20 is a deal, I just do not like the area, though I think it is pretty safe.
That's closer to what I was thinking...but fell way short. Here's another thought.
Monger Investment: Average Spent x SWs x Average Visits per SWs
My Investment: .30 x 15 x 1.5 = 6.75 investment
Of course, I didn't include who wasn't on the list...have no way to figure that out....but it would be interesting....
The Monger Hobby!
I only had time for the most rectent list ,my number was 5 and I had only seen one of them more than 2 times. I do have to pat myself on the back though I know CJ is probably the most prolific picture taker, I have contributed 20 pictures which really begs the question am I a monger or a photographer.
As far as investment in the Ave maybe 5.0 per year. Which leads to another question what would you guess the combined mongering revenue per year on the Ave would be? Even with a conservative estimate of maybe 100 like minded mongers it would hit 1/2 million. It is probably closer to 1 million spent on rooms and company. We know that 60-80% of that probably ends up being spent on narcotics but is probably not directly reinvested. So maybe 1/2 million being pumped into the local economy. I think that is a conservative estimate. I wonder were that money will go when the music stops on the Ave. My guess is some goes to organized crime (agencies) and a few independents who can operate covertly. Concentrating the wealth in fewer hands. I will stop there as I am starting to scare myself, but this would make a good investigative piece.
Greetings gents, K-Ave is hot at 6 AM and po-po action is light. Lots of sw around 7-11 (Ontario st). I had great bbbjwcim. Then she went to get some powder for me. While parked at russle st. I had four sw walk up.
Note: I was the the Whiz on the other board years ago and now back in action. I live 6 blocks from the ave and will have more reports in the future with more details.
AbcPanther and Runnow raise an interesting topic that I've thought about from time to time and more so recently as the economy has tanked in general. To Runnow's point about his "conservative" estimate I've got to believe that the amount spent by mongers on mongering-related activities (girls, rooms) is higher, possibly much higher than $1 million per year. The money we pump into the downtrodden K community not only helps fuel the local drug economy (not something to be happy or proud of certainly) but indirectly have to be making a major contribution to the survival of legiitimate area businesses. I don't live in or near K and wouldn't argue with residents' objection to our actvity as detrimental to their quality of life, but if LE were to shut prostitution activity down and keep it locked down I think the impact on the K economy at such a desperate time would be seriously negative in the short run. In the long run it might be a different story, but I'm just saying.....
Supereloquent
03-15-09, 02:59
AbcPanther and Runnow raise an interesting topic that I've thought about from time to time and more so recently as the economy has tanked in general. To Runnow's point about his "conservative" estimate I've got to believe that the amount spent by mongers on mongering-related activities (girls, rooms) is higher, possibly much higher than $1 million per year. The money we pump into the downtrodden K community not only helps fuel the local drug economy (not something to be happy or proud of certainly) but indirectly have to be making a major contribution to the survival of legiitimate area businesses. I don't live in or near K and wouldn't argue with residents' objection to our actvity as detrimental to their quality of life, but if LE were to shut prostitution activity down and keep it locked down I think the impact on the K economy at such a desperate time would be seriously negative in the short run. In the long run it might be a different story, but I'm just saying.....I think you are right that an estimate of $1 million might be quite low. I did a quick calculation based on my observations: an average of 15 SWs on the Ave in a conservative 12 hour day at any one time (10 during the day, 20 in the evening and at night; don't forget: if you actually see 5 SWs, probably triple that number are already on dates; while SWs don't stroll all day, substitutes readily take their places; there are more than 125 SWs with pics in this thread and I would guesstimate, based on my experience, 3 times that many who either have not had pics taken or don't want them taken, so possibly well over 500 dates per day, even at one per day each). So multiply my simple conservative guesstimate of 15 dates per hour by a conservative $35 per date average, all-in (room, etc.) and you get 15x35x12 or about $6300 spent per day x 365 days= $2.3 million spent per year. And I think this number is conservatively low. This money is probably largely re-spent in the local economy for food, rent, and even drugs, but it has a multiplier effect. The money the SW spends is then spent by the vendor she patronizes and the vendors they patronize etc. on to infinity.
You are correct that if LE shut this down tight that there would be a dramatic and noticeable effect on the K economy, as if it weren't already suffering as a result of the state of the national economy.
Abcpanther
03-15-09, 13:14
AbcPanther and Runnow raise an interesting topic that I've thought about from time to time and more so recently as the economy has tanked in general. To Runnow's point about his "conservative" estimate I've got to believe that the amount spent by mongers on mongering-related activities (girls, rooms) is higher, possibly much higher than $1 million per year. The money we pump into the downtrodden K community not only helps fuel the local drug economy (not something to be happy or proud of certainly) but indirectly have to be making a major contribution to the survival of legiitimate area businesses. I don't live in or near K and wouldn't argue with residents' objection to our actvity as detrimental to their quality of life, but if LE were to shut prostitution activity down and keep it locked down I think the impact on the K economy at such a desperate time would be seriously negative in the short run. In the long run it might be a different story, but I'm just saying.....
Just another thought. Routinly I check out what's happening here on this site, but I also check out craigs. I'm always curious about the cost of craigs talent versus what I find on the street. I don't know if anyone else checks it out, but I noticed a few things.
I live in the burbs and the talent in KOP is less than before, while I'm seeing more craigs ads in Philly and the airport area. As the economy is changing, do less people in the burbs support the local talent? If you follow the talent, it seems that there is more money being spent (or concentrated) in Philly and the airport.
Also, I'm seeing many girls that are *New*. They seem to be coming from California, but I'm not sure if I believe their story. Also, I'm find more new faces that seem "New". During this economy, are more woman subsidizing their income with this hobby? Or maybe they have been laid-off and taking notice of their skills to make up for the income.
Has anyone else noticed that the ads are more up front with cost? And that the cost for companionship seems to be dropping. They still advertize 1.5 to 2 for the hour, but more seem to post other rates (15min, 30 min, etc). I see many more 1.0 for the hh, which was surprising...lately, I also see *Special* rates of .8 for 15 minutes and saw one which was .75. The best I think was .8 for hh.
If you watch craigs, during this economy, I wonder if there is going to be a increase in talent? Also, will there be a decrease in price? The trends seem to be starting...what are your thoughts?
Supereloquent
03-15-09, 15:08
If you watch Craigs, during this economy, I wonder if there is going to be a increase in talent? Also, will there be a decrease in price? The trends seem to be starting...what are your thoughts?I read Craigs, not because I use it, but because I like to comparison shop. There used to be a lot more ads for "erotic services," but that is because the ads used to be free (now there is a charge), and all you had to provide was an email address. So a lot of pimps would advertise there and flood the board. Now you have to pay (which identifies you by the financial transaction), provide more information and establish a "membership" with a telephone number, so fewer are doing that, and are likely afraid (rightfully so) that they will be targeted by LE for a sting. LE stings of Craigs postings are going on all over the country and are prominently in the news.
However, there is definitely a trend underway for "civilians" to earn a little extra cash, either because they are having a hard time making ends meet working a regular job or are out of work. I have experienced at least 10 "occasional" and "new" SWs on the Ave and Torresdale who were in this circumstance. All of them were "day-timers" and afraid of the dangers on the Ave for them after dusk. Not one of them was agreeable to having pictures taken, for obvious reasons. I have also encountered a number of SWs who used to advertise in Craigs but had resorted to streetwalking (probably because of the changes in Craigs posting rules), even though being an independent was far more lucrative (by a factor of at least 3 to 5 times).
The prices on the Ave are "soft." What I mean by that is that one can negotiate 1 Jack for a BJ and and .5 for FS (and in some cases even .4) with almost anyone, even including pics and even if they have to ride with you 20 minutes to an indoor place. These prices have remained at this level for a very long time, so there is no inflation adjustment operating on the Ave, and the state of the economy, more plentiful SWs in supply and what we are willing to offer, all definitely have an effect on keeping prices low.
I only ran into one suburban provider who stood firm on her price: .5 for a car BJ. I explained to her that I could get that for a Jack from any number of good looking 20 somethings with excellent skills on the Ave (she was late 30s and chubby; not ugly but let's face it, not as appealing as 75% of the talent on the Ave). I tried to negotiate .3 and be a regular because she lives in the very next town and much more convenient than going to the K, but she said she gets .5 from others and that was her price. So there must be a bunch of suburban mongers in my area who either don't know about the K or are too lazy or afraid to try it or just don't care one way or the other. After all, demand sets the price as much as supply and there seems to be a demand for her services at that price. The same dynamic operates on the K: what we will pay and what they will accept is a balance of forces.
Craigs prices are also becoming a bit softer as a result of all of the above, but, for my money, the best bargains are still on the Ave. You might have the convenience of door to door service with an independent on Craigs, but you are paying up for it by at least double and usually triple, and now that convenience comes with the risk that you will be stung by Uncle LEO. Even if legit, these independents are often exactly the same type of girls who would be working the Ave. I just don't see the positive tradeoff. Rather than pay a service charge to have my "groceries" delivered, I will continue to go to the store and squeeze the "melons."
I just don't see the positive tradeoff. Rather than pay a service charge to have my "groceries" delivered, I will continue to go to the store and squeeze the "melons."Not to mention it is more exciting to pick and choose for yourself.
Thedarkstar
03-15-09, 17:26
I was out on Torresdale Ave last night. Saw a girl on the corner of Comly Ave, just beside the bar. Its obvious she was working. This was about 1:20am. I circled her a few times just to get a good look at her. But, i was too cautious. Another monger beat me to her just as was pulling up to her. She was short, about 5'5 and had dirty blonde hair and looked to be in her late twenties. Next time, i guess. I have yet to make a score on Torresdale.
Abcpanther
03-15-09, 20:44
Very good point on K verses Craigs. I've done both with various reasons. It's a shame what's happened with Craigs, because you're right, there use to be many more ads. Although, it's also cleaned up the junk ads. Unfortunately, many girls don't use because of the very reason you mentioned is fear of LE.
I've used both Craigs and K and NJ(South). It all depends. If I have the time and it's a nice day, I liked to go to New Jersey. I kinda thought of it as a safer zone for a while (wild west). LE wasn't as tough and plenty of talent, very cheap. Recently, I've been forced to change that assessment because of the LE activity. So I won't be going there until the winds die down a bit and I feel like I won't get hasseled.
I used the K for a while before I found NJ and I've since gone back. I don't see as much as I did in NJ, but it's now safer. So I've gone back to the ol' hunting grounds.
I check craigs out because of convenience. Living west of KOP, it's a hike to do either NJ or Philly. Even when I went to either place there was no guarantee that anything would be found, so that becomes a *Tough Trip*. Even more so, when gas was close to $4 a gallon. Trips were costing me $15 - $20 depending on how long I stayed out searching.
Where I live, we use to have Norristown, but it's a wasteland now...anything you do find is very hard searched for and is only a fraction of the talent in Philly or NJ. So I either have to wait until I have 2 to 3 hours to kill or use another method. Craigs list does cost more but has a little more convenience due to time.
When I do use craigs, I usually drop 1.0. I never spend more because I don't think I need to. Recently, from what I'm seeing, I might be able to drop to .8 and .75 for the same service. Which for me is a good place.
With Craigs, I can be at their hotel usually in minutes. The hunting is done on-line and I can see the pictures. Sometimes they aren't what's advertised, but that has happened a few times.
The *Risk* is when you go to the room and you don't know if it's a sting, etc. This is what really gets me nervous. Once we're past that, it's nice, clean, private, and relaxing. After a while, you get to know who you can trust, because like the K, there are regulars.
I don't know how many other mongers routinely travel 80 minutes round trip to check things out, but sometimes it's nice not to make that trek.
When I factor in my travel time and degree of success (making an appointment verses find the right SW), it makes sense sometimes to use an escort.
SWs = .2 (room) + .4 (FS) + .1 (gas) + Time = .7 + Time (120 minutes)
Escort = 1. (Room + FS) + Time (10 minutes)
In any case, this has been my experience. I wish I was closer, then like you, I would stay on the ave. No reason for you to do anything else. Out where I live, sometimes it makes sense to use craigs every now and then.
Which is why I keep my eye on it. If supply and demand continue and drive the price downward, now we're talking a bargin for me. The equation becomes:
Escort = .80 (room + FS) + Time (10 minutes)
(which is now only .05 off from SWs cost)
Isn't amazing how the economy could change so much?
Of course, this is only from my perspective. Who else has a similar situation?
I just have a few comments on what we are seeing in the different scenes.
K Ave ( and most SW in SJ/Philadelphia area)
What has kept prices so low is the cost of narcotics which in real dollars has probably decreases since the crack epidemic. Most SW use either crack or heroine and those prices have not seen a significant increase in the last 20 years. If you bargain well you can get the same services for the same prices we were paying in the mid 90's. One of the other fact to realize is that most working people have seen relatively flat increases in pay since the late 90's. This keeps the price people are willing to pay down. Now the really ugly thing about SW is that there is a chemical dependency being fed which gives the monger the upper hand in almost every case. Many SW will just do as many dates as it takes to make X dollars. There are some who have their addictions relatively under control and will walk away from a low ball offer. In the end I think cost is mostly tied to how much they need to make.
CL
Since the advent of the $5 charge for posting an add a lot of the spam has disappeared. I have been told by a reasonably good source there is a way around supply traceable information when placing an add. So the smart ones can probably place adds without any added risk. The risk comes with the fact that now that there are fewer adds it is much easier for LE to pick out adds to bust. There are some local municipalities that seem eager to make these types of bust. KOP probably tops the list of the most dangerous place for providers though bust are occuring all over these days. I missed a bust by maybe as little as 10 minutes about 2 years ago at one of the notoriously dangerous hotels in KOP. I happen to get on an elevator with security on my way out as they seemed to be a little to busy in for a normal mid day. She was from a well know touring agency and I was able to confirm that she had been arrested. Cl has always been cheaper than most independents with their own websites and I think the prices do reflect the economy though I think most of the "new" providers may be from adjacent businesses. Not too many accountants start turning tricks to make ends meet but a stripper who has crossed the line a few times in a lap dance room might. Have you seen the business in SC lately. I see some of the weak ones closing. I think CL and backpage in this area are questionable but you can find some diamonds in the rough and since they usually do not have websites can be bargained with.
Agencies/Independents
There was great article on the economy in relation to Independents in Vegas which I will link if I can find it. To summarize, those in the middle where hurt the most. The low end Independents where seeing more business. The High end ones had clients who were not as financially troubled by the downturn in the economy. That seems to make sense to me. A simple example of how many things work in the US is gas prices. When gas prices go to $5 a gallon it is the person making 25K a year who is really hurt. The guy making 125K does not like the price but he can live with it. Even unemployment to this point is disportionality hitting those without college educations as the the real unemployment rate for those without is actually higher than the national average. The one caveat the article pointed to was that the high class lady interviewed was offering more services for her price than in the past. I think if you have been watching the other provider boards, about 1 1/2 years ago you would have seen that the average local independent was charging 300 per hour. Some were even charging 350. Today most of the locals are sitting on 250 advertised as "specials". I think we will see more of these specials but with these provides they are more apt to start offering more time or services than drop their prices lower. But what do I know! It really depends on how long this down turn last. I know that I am watching my spending closely.
This is a pretty good one mostly about Vegas.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/dec/14/economy-affects-supply-demand-some-special-twists/
Wanted to know if anyone had any tips for the K, Cruised the K last night for my very first time for about 2 hours with no luck. Only saw one or two SW. I wanted to know is their more activity on the weekend, or is it better to go during the day. Like I said I'm knew to the SW scene, but I do the escort thing and I frequent AMPs so maybe I can help someone with that.
Thanks!
Supereloquent
03-17-09, 11:03
This is a pretty good one mostly about Vegas.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/dec/14/economy-affects-supply-demand-some-special-twists/Excellent article Runnow! Thanks for sharing it. Both it and the commentary following it were interesting and illuminating. I commend it to every monger's reading list.
Just a few points in the article worth mentioning:
It would seem that nobody is immune from a bad economy: most prices, even SW prices tend to stay level and/or go down.
The mid to higher end ranges of private services are far less affected by the economy than the lowest end. Someone who can afford a Bentley buys one in good times and bad. In the middle a doctor or lawyer client may feel a pinch in a downturn, but still can afford his pleasures. At the bottom, SWs become more plentiful and typical customers are less able and less willing to part with their money.
SWs make up only 15% of the providers but 80-90% of the vice arrests for prostitution. They didn't cite the reasons for this but I am sure we as mongers could speculate on a few.
There was a study of SW earnings in Chicago and it amounted to $25-30 per hour.
There is a lot more information in the article worth chewing on. The above are just a few appetizers. Thanks again Runnow for posting it.
Supereloquent
03-17-09, 11:33
Runnow and Abcpanther bring up excellent points.
Runnow mentions that the price of narcotics has a great deal to do with SW pricing and the prices of narcotics have remained somewhat stable since the mid nineties, and that has a big influence on what drug dependent SWs will charge, as it relates to how much they need to make. This is a very salient point because the law of supply and demand assumes rational buyers and sellers, and clearly a chemically dependent SW is not totally such. The issue really does become how much business she has to do to make the X dollars she needs to feed her habit and how willing she is to do that. She will likely be chemically motivated within a great range of time she is willing to devote to her work, but there is a practical limit. However, this does raise another economic issue: the prices in any market are set by the most competitive sellers, so drug dependency and the cost of drugs does have a direct bearing on overall SW pricing, whether the SW is drug dependent or not.
Abcpanther mentions a particular issue that dramatically overshadows and keeps me away from independents and escort services, despite the pricing or quality or time commitment issues (all still worth discussing), and that is the legal risk. How close he came to being pinched in a sting is a forewarning to the wise. How easy is it for LE to post a fake ad in Craigs and just wait there with bait for mongers, or respond to an ad for an indoor place, bust it and sit on it to gather up the customers booked for the day and/or night. I saw a TV special where a vice squad in LA did that very thing and made 13 different arrests at one hotel room. There is virtually no way to protect yourself from this type of sting, and, if you have been following my running commentaries on entrapment, don't think that being clever about it in any way will be an adequate defense or save your fanny from a bust for solicitation.
Abcpanther
03-17-09, 14:43
Runnow and Abcpanther bring up excellent points.
Runnow mentions that the price of narcotics has a great deal to do with SW pricing and the prices of narcotics have remained somewhat stable since the mid nineties, and that has a big influence on what drug dependent SWs will charge, as it relates to how much they need to make. This is a very salient point because the law of supply and demand assumes rational buyers and sellers, and clearly a chemically dependent SW is not totally such. The issue really does become how much business she has to do to make the X dollars she needs to feed her habit and how willing she is to do that. She will likely be chemically motivated within a great range of time she is willing to devote to her work, but there is a practical limit. However, this does raise another economic issue: the prices in any market are set by the most competitive sellers, so drug dependency and the cost of drugs does have a direct bearing on overall SW pricing, whether the SW is drug dependent or not.
Abcpanther mentions a particular issue that dramatically overshadows and keeps me away from independents and escort services, despite the pricing or quality or time commitment issues (all still worth discussing), and that is the legal risk. How close he came to being pinched in a sting is a forewarning to the wise. How easy is it for LE to post a fake ad in Craigs and just wait there with bait for mongers, or respond to an ad for an indoor place, bust it and sit on it to gather up the customers booked for the day and/or night. I saw a TV special where a vice squad in LA did that very thing and made 13 different arrests at one hotel room. There is virtually no way to protect yourself from this type of sting, and, if you have been following my running commentaries on entrapment, don't think that being clever about it in any way will be an adequate defense or save your fanny from a bust for solicitation.
Runnow, thanks for the article and comments. I'm always interested in what's going on in surrounding areas and what drives the business. I guess that the thought is forwarned is forarmed. Plus, I never thought of the demand from from drugs and how that effects the price. While I do believe, once pointed out it makes a lot of sense.
Supereloquent, very true comment about escorts and independants. You brought up good points that I didn't consider. I don't do it very often, but when I do, I'm nervous usually until we get down to business. After Runnows, comment about potential security raids, now I have that as a concern.
I wonder, from anyone's perspective..."What" can be done to minimize the risk of getting caught with Independants and Escorts? It would be nice to have something to refer to such as the "22 Monger Rules".
Does anyone have any value for this? If so, I would be willing to post what I do from picking the escort, making the phone call, the actual visit at the hotel, what to look for when entering the room.
I'm not sure if what I do really works, but it's what I've developed over time to try to stay safe.
Any thoughts?
Supereloquent
03-17-09, 14:44
Wanted to know if anyone had any tips for the K, Cruised the K last night for my very first time for about 2 hours with no luck. Only saw one or two SW. I wanted to know is their more activity on the weekend, or is it better to go during the day. Like I said I'm knew to the SW scene, but I do the escort thing and I frequent AMPs so maybe I can help someone with that.
Thanks!Finding SWs on the K is a lot like fishing. You need to know WHEN to fish, WHERE to fish and HOW to fish if you expect to have any success.
I would say that 90% of the time I cruise the K I see at least one SW and more often than not 3 to 5 on any one pass, so for me it is usually a matter of choice rather than taking what I can find. And that is a daytime experience. Beginning at rush hour through early evening, multiply the SW availability by a factor of 3 to 5. But also multiply the mongers by more than those factors. As to weekends, many of the SWs are drug dependent which is a 7 day a week job in feeding their habits, so one day, in my experience, is pretty much like another in terms of SW availability.
That leaves the 10% of the time it is dry as a bone. It doesn't often happen but sometimes you just come up empty. I have actually never cruised K looking for a date and had to come home empty handed but some times you just have to work harder than others. Yesterday that happened to me. I made 4 complete passes on the K and saw zero, absolutely nada. But on the 5th pass I found a SW I recognized that to most others might have appeared to be waiting for a bus (because it was not a known SW pickup corner), and she was just sitting there, not really looking into car windows, smiling or waving, or giving any obvious SW signals. Right after that date I picked up another I recognized just walking casually in her sweatpants and jacket, whom most might also easily have taken to be a civilian. If you have the patience, just like in fishing, it can also be better to sit on a known corner and munch a snack and listen to the radio rather than staying on the move. If a really attractive SW appears she will be taken very quickly and the likelihood you will just happen to be driving by at that moment are not good unless you are willing to invest a lot of time and make your own luck.
This brings up another important factor if you are new to the K scene: the SWs there blend in. They are likely to be wearing jeans and a hoodie and sneakers, not 5 inch spike heels and a mini dress up to their cootchies. So if you don't know any of them you may have passed quite a few and mistakenly thought they were civilians. They aren't always posted conspicuously on a corner, smiling and waving. Sometimes they are talking on their cell phones, jawboning with a friend, or just walking along and sipping a soda.
As to where: there are 3 main concentrations of SWs: on the north end of the stroll in the Ontario to Castor area, particularly on the Castor and Ontario corners themselves and several corners just north and south of each, in the Somerset area and in the vicinity of the Woodshed, and at and in the vicinity the Huntingdon subway station (there are usually, but not always, one or 2 lurking on the block of Letterly off the K; they used to hang around the laundromat at the corner of Letterly and K, but I haven't seen any there for quite a few months now). Some of you may have a problem with all this specific information as alerting LE, but I beg to differ. All of this has been posted in here before in one way or another and it is nothing of which LE isn't already very well aware, trust me. I don't mean to taunt LE; you fellows and gals do a fine job of protecting us from the real criminals who harm us, and rob and destroy our property, and I heartily commend you for putting yourself in harm's way to do that. But even if LE chooses to lock down these locations, there is enough territory on the K to open up shop in a dozen more. I could have gathered the intel I have shared as an observant civilian in a one day investigation of K. However, BE CAREFUL how you pick up a SW. That is a whole separate issue of common sense and safety.
Wanted to know if anyone had any tips for the K, Cruised the K last night for my very first time for about 2 hours with no luck. Only saw one or two SW. I wanted to know is their more activity on the weekend, or is it better to go during the day. Like I said I'm knew to the SW scene, but I do the escort thing and I frequent AMPs so maybe I can help someone with that.
Thanks!I was on the K last night also from 5:00 PM to 8:00PM ( picked up Stacy, and later Deanna and spoke with a couple of others) and saw plenty, on my very first stroll I saw only a couple also, but after many trips I learned to spot many more, Like at the bus stop where they never get on the bus, or other gathering points to blend in, they are the ones that are there hour after hour while the other's leave, they are there just give them a good look and they will give you a look back, When you drive past, give them a look, if they look back, put your turn signal on so they see, and turn down the next street (make sure your going the right way down the one way streets) about 5 to 10 cars down and wait with your turn signal on as a signal to see who will come down the street to greet you, Just give them a little time, the better ones are more cautious, will check out the area first then make there way to see you. I had as many as 3 come up to the car at the same time ( I saw only one girl and gave her the nod but where the other 2 came from ?), I start talking talking to them, and pick the best one.
Of coarse the amount of girls will vary, like if there is heavy leo, or bad weather, but I see more girls during the week early evening, there may be more girls on the weekend, but alot more mongers picking them up, also more girls on the south end of the K.
Happy Hunting
By the way I know one of you mongers had to talk with her what was the story with the Cute Young Blond on lettery last night, I tried to do the pick-up but someone was always there talking with here, but never got picked up, I guess she was waiting for a appointment or something I tried 6 times last night but seemed to be a never ending line of vehicles there talking with her ?
"What" can be done to minimize the risk of getting caught with Independants and Escorts? It would be nice to have something to refer to such as the "22 Monger Rules".
Does anyone have any value for this? If so, I would be willing to post what I do from picking the escort, making the phone call, the actual visit at the hotel, what to look for when entering the room.
I'm not sure if what I do really works, but it's what I've developed over time to try to stay safe.
Any thoughts?
I think one important thing is the phone/email. You can do wonders with virtual machines and throw away phones.
Never meet a woman who you have not seen a picture of and has never been reviewed. If you show up and it is not her. "Oh, I must have the wrong room" If you are in a room when a bust goes down, make them prove what has taken place. It is probably wise to book early in the day or tour. getting references can be a problem but once you have seen a few well know ladies make sure you stay in touch.
It is difficult to be 100% safe but some of the other more escort oriented websites have guys and ladies who are practically professionals.
Supereloquent
03-18-09, 01:05
i think one important thing is the phone/email. you can do wonders with virtual machines and throw away phones.
never meet a woman who you have not seen a picture of and has never been reviewed. if you show up and it is not her. "oh, i must have the wrong room" if you are in a room when a bust goes down, make them prove what has taken place. it is probably wise to book early in the day or tour. getting references can be a problem but once you have seen a few well know ladies make sure you stay in touch.
it is difficult to be 100% safe but some of the other more escort oriented websites have guys and ladies who are practically professionals.your suggestions are worth noting; however, i would still contend that visiting an independent is equivalent to taking a chance in losing the sting lottery.
in a sting, the environment is controlled by le. on the street, there is still risk but you control your own environment to a great degree. if you are observant and careful on the street you will avoid obvious stings, if just to observe a simple rule and say nothing incriminating until the sw gets in and you are well underway and certain there is no le backup tail. this is not true in a hotel room where there can be surveillance to and from and even in the room and recorded evidence will hold up in court. even an independent already known to you or exactly the picture in her ad could have been turned by le in return for immunization from or leniency regarding other charges. this is a very common le sting ploy to catch "regulars," and spread the sting net very wide. read the folowing from a research piece by frazier on the subject of sting operations in general: "almost all sting operations result in either arrests or convictions, many of them startling (one reported 700 arrests), with very high conviction rates ranging from 70 percent to 95 percent." there may be all sorts of ways to avoid this by being extra specially careful, but i wouldn't bet against the odds.
do you recall the "sting" operations conducted on tv to catch internet predators of **** girls and boys supposedly home alone? they had printouts of the computer communication and a good computer expert could trace it to your computer regardless of how you hid it. plus, these guys were all arrested on the spot, most after admitting nothing, and just for showing up at the appointed time and place! very few if any of them admitted to a thing. but that didn't matter. you would have to have your computer contact with the independent escort be totally untraceable, your telephone contact likewise (including the manner in which you purchased a throwaway phone), and you would have to make sure you didn't bring the phone with you or keep it in a place which could be found after a search warrant were issued. plus you would have to make sure your computer was clean of all incriminating evidence and a damn good reason why you "just happened" to make a mistake going to the "wrong room" at precisely the room and time you were expected? and is your alibi as to the "right room" in that hotel solid (assuming you even have the discipline to do this if a really good looking girl answers the door, even if she isn't the one pictured)? and suppose it is the girl pictured in her ad or you have even been with her before and she has been turned. will you be aware enough to know this? can you do all of the above? do you want to do all of the above? every time you see an independent? and even if you can beat the rap and get off being convicted, do you want to have an arrest record for a sex offense? as for me, i will take my chances on the street.
Abcpanther
03-18-09, 16:23
Wow, Supereloquent! I think you might have ruined my reason to go see an escort or independant. Which I didn't think was possible. I assumed the chances of getting caught were about the same, whether I was on the street or using an escort.
A couple things you point out that I took note to. When LE set up a sting, they are putting together resources (Money) to clean up a particular area or hotel ("get results"). Probably due to complaints. This would be their motivation, I assume. For that reason, once they do set up the sting (effort), they are less prone to let you go/slap your wrist because they have to produce results (clean things up). So they have survelance, recordings, phone logs, etc. to prove their case.
On the street, they patrol, but they don't necessarily have to produce results. They are on a beat just keeping the place safe (patroling). If you're not around a lot, repeat offendor, and respect their authority, they might let you go with a warning.
Also, picking up someone, driving around, etc in itself is not against the law. On the street, you have to pick up right in front of LE, negotiate with undercover outside of car, or get caught in act for them to have a good case.
I didn't even think about known escorts that might turn me in to get immunity or lighter sentence. Also, they all require that you unblock calls. So unless using a throw away phone, there is a record that they have of you using their services, which doesn't go away.
Saw this article in the news, which is amazingly timely: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6318384.html
This escort service was in Houston. They think that she has thousands of clients from doctors, lawyers, athletes, etc. All of them rich. The owner of the service did everything to keep from getting caught. She would only deal with the rich. You had to be invited to be in the inner circle. You would have to go through her own check. They preferred outcall so that it didn't create traffic in the neighborhood. The couple operated out of the home, but didn't change their standard of living. Also done so that they would not draw attention.
Even with all the checks and balances they had in place, the couple was turned in by one of her girls (obviously for a lighter sentence). The LE were patient and watch them for a year. LE also made all kinds of recording. After shutting down the business, LE took the computers/phone/etc and now of all the clients.
Too much of a trail. Didn't think about it that much before, but now I have a better idea.
Good discussion.
Thanks
your suggestions are worth noting; however, i would still contend that visiting an independent is equivalent to taking a chance in losing the sting lottery.
it is all risky.
in a sting, the environment is controlled by le. on the street, there is still risk but you control your own environment to a great degree. if you are observant and careful on the street you will avoid obvious stings, if just to observe a simple rule and say nothing incriminating until the sw gets in and you are well underway and certain there is no le backup tail.
just like on the streets you should know your environment.
1)know the hotels - some should be avoided
2)know the provider - some should be avoided. i would not give person information to anyone just to see them. some agencies collect all kinds of information and create horrible paper trails.
3)expect that every hotel has surveillance and know how to expose yourself to the smallest degree.
4)think with the big head.
.... even an independent already known to you or exactly the picture in her ad could have been turned by le in return for immunization from or leniency regarding other charges. this is a very common le sting ploy to catch "regulars," and spread the sting net very wide. read the folowing from a research piece by frazier on the subject of sting operations in general: "almost all sting operations result in either arrests or convictions, many of them startling (one reported 700 arrests), with very high conviction rates ranging from 70 percent to 95 percent." there may be all sorts of ways to avoid this by being extra specially careful, but i wouldn't bet against the odds.
correct me if i am wrong but your quote of frazier may confuse some people.
it refer to all sting operations not just prostitution stings. that is an important point that should not be missed.
in the article where i found this quote this is what was said about prostitution stings:
prostitution
female decoys or plainclothes detectives are typically used in prostitution operations. these stings always result in many arrests and good publicity, but researchers have concluded that they have no overall effect on clients.18 however, a benefit of vice stings is that they also help police serve numerous outstanding warrants for offenders wanted for other types of crime. an fbi sting took over a credit card processing company and identified those who had used credit cards to pay for sex. it then processed payments to and from the brothels over a three-year period. this resulted in snagging $100,000 in bribes of local police and the closing of 18 parlors.19 few of the descriptive studies reported the length of the stings, which suggests that police used them in conjunction with the popular use of vice sweeps as a response to persistent prostitution (see problem-specific guide no. 2, street prostitution).
do you recall the "sting" operations conducted on tv to catch internet predators of **** girls and boys supposedly home alone? they had printouts of the computer communication and a good computer expert could trace it to your computer regardless of how you hid it. plus, these guys were all arrested on the spot, most after admitting nothing, and just for showing up at the appointed time and place! very few if any of them admitted to a thing. but that didn't matter. you would have to have your computer contact with the independent escort be totally untraceable, your telephone contact likewise (including the manner in which you purchased a throwaway phone), and you would have to make sure you didn't bring the phone with you or keep it in a place which could be found after a search warrant were issued. plus you would have to make sure your computer was clean of all incriminating evidence and a damn good reason why you "just happened" to make a mistake going to the "wrong room" at precisely the room and time you were expected? and is your alibi as to the "right room" in that hotel solid (assuming you even have the discipline to do this if a really good looking girl answers the door, even if she isn't the one pictured)? and suppose it is the girl pictured in her ad or you have even been with her before and she has been turned. will you be aware enough to know this? can you do all of the above? do you want to do all of the above? every time you see an independent? and even if you can beat the rap and get off being convicted, do you want to have an arrest record for a sex offense? as for me, i will take my chances on the street.
this is not to catch a predator, please do not make that comparison. le has many motives. it is not all about catching "johns". if you listen to how these bust are justified you may get clues to these motives. think drugs and organized crime. the phone/internet thing can be done pretty well but at least the internet thing may be beyond what normal people can pull off. any thug in philly can get a phone.
the last note is that there have been many more "john" stings on the ave than in a places like kop.
the is the article i have been referring to another good read:
http://www.popcenter.org/responses/sting_operations/1
Supereloquent
03-19-09, 00:02
It is all risky.Absolutely!
I wasn't trying to say that SW pickups aren't risky; just that there are many variables more difficult to control in seeing an independent, and more chances for an evidence trail.[/QUOTE]Just like on the streets you should know your environment.
1) Know the hotels - Some should be avoided.
2) Know the provider - Some should be avoided. I would not give person information to anyone just to see them. Some Agencies collect all kinds of information and create horrible paper trails.
3) Expect that every hotel has surveillance and know how to expose yourself to the smallest degree.
4) Think with the big head.[/QUOTE]This seems like an awful lot of work and investigation and knowledge from my perspective. But, hey, if you want to do it, you may as well do it intelligently and with good research, just as one would want to be that careful on the Ave.
[/QUOTE]Correct me if I am wrong but your quote of Frazier may confuse some people. It refer to all sting operations not just Prostitution stings. That is an important point that should not be missed.[/QUOTE]You are correct. There was no separate data for prostitution stings. But I wonder if that data could be that significantly different. Frazier didn't say anything about the relative effectiveness of one type of sting vs. Another and I think he would have if there were meaningful differences. A sting operation is a sting operation.
[/QUOTE]This is not to catch a predator, please do not make that comparison. LE has many motives. It is not all about catching "Johns". If you listen to how these bust are justified you may get clues to these motives. Think Drugs and organized crime. The phone/Internet thing can be done pretty well but at least the Internet thing may be beyond what normal people can pull off. Any thug in Philly can get a phone.[/QUOTE]Regardless of the motivation for the sting, do you want to be caught in it?
Also, I wasn't trying to say prostitution stings and predator stings were the same. My point was merely that the methodology for the sting is the same: all you have to do is show up at the appointed place and time to be placed under arrest. Maybe you get off and maybe you don't but do you want to be arrested?
[/QUOTE]The last note is that there have been many more "John" stings on the Ave than in a places like KOP.[/QUOTE]I don't have definitive information on this one way or the other, but I would guess there is also significantly higher SW and John activity on the Ave than escort and independent provider activity in KOP. Making a comparison of the relative risk per incident between the two would entail having information that is probably unknowable.
[/QUOTE]http://www.popcenter.org/responses/sting_operations/1[/QUOTE]Thanks for referencing this article. It is where I got my quote from Frazier.
Good discussion.
CockMaster
03-19-09, 09:50
Dudes,
First we are the ones that keep the money in circulation for the SW or Young Dope/Crack Heads on the K as you all call it. All this chat about the economic crisis and how this effected the $ on the K. With supply and demand of drugs. All the big words. BS. Get real and back to the subject. You don't know a thing. You never live on the K. Have you? . Get out and walk the K look anf listen. Your eyes may open.
Abcpanther
03-19-09, 12:27
Dudes,
First we are the ones that keep the money in circulation for the SW or Young Dope/Crack Heads on the K as you all call it. All this chat about the economic crisis and how this effected the $ on the K. With supply and demand of drugs. All the big words. BS. Get real and back to the subject. You don't know a thing. You never live on the K. Have you? . Get out and walk the K look anf listen. Your eyes may open.
CockMaster,
I think we are being real. To think that what happens outside the "K" doesn't effect the "K" is NOT to be real! So what if we walk the "K". I've walked the "K", big deal! I've had a gun pulled on me, I've had a pimp in my car pulling shit, I've busted down a door of a SW's deal gone bad, and had to kick some "Dudes" ass for trying to pull crap on me.
So just because we're thinking a little bit with the "Big-head" and not the "little-head" doesn't mean we haven't been on the "Street" doing the walk.
So what's your "Street-cred"? You live on "K"? You walk and listen to the "Street"? What's the "real" subject? Do you Monger? Do you follow the 22 monger rules? Where do you think they come from?
I'll tell you where. It came from topics like this one.
Supereloquent
03-19-09, 15:36
Dudes,
First we are the ones that keep the money in circulation for the SW or Young Dope/Crack Heads on the K as you all call it. All this chat about the economic crisis and how this effected the $ on the K. With supply and demand of drugs. All the big words. BS. Get real and back to the subject. You don't know a thing. You never live on the K. Have you? . Get out and walk the K look anf listen. Your eyes may open.Did you ever hear the story about the blind men who all felt different parts of an elephant (trunk, ears, legs, tusks, tail, etc.)? They all had a very different impression of what an elephant was and looked like. The people who live on the K, and the businesses there, and the pimps and drug dealers who profit from it and the SWs who work it, and even the LEOs who patrol it, are seeing just a tiny piece of what is going on. And we mongers are no different. It is impossible for anyone to have the "correct" overall view. We are all blind and our impressions are at best a small piece of the overall puzzle. But the K is not isolated from everything else like an island to itself. Everything that happens in the world affects everything else in one way or another. Part of the reason for this forum is to gather the impressions of many of us trying to make our blind ways around the elephant to explain it a little better, especially as it relates to the activity between SWs and mongers. And an economic discussion of pricing as it concerns this topic is certainly appropriate. To deny that is truly to remain blind and not "open our eyes" and "get real."
Dudes,
First we are the ones that keep the money in circulation for the SW or Young Dope/Crack Heads on the K as you all call it. All this chat about the economic crisis and how this effected the $ on the K. With supply and demand of drugs. All the big words. BS. Get real and back to the subject. You don't know a thing. You never live on the K. Have you? . Get out and walk the K look anf listen. Your eyes may open.
You might be surprised about what neighborhood I call home but that's an entirely different story. A good way to change the subject would be to post some different information. So what did you have in mind?
Dear Holly,
It was great to run into you at 6:30 this Friday evening after going up and down the Avenue for about two hours. I was thinking it was really unusual not to see too many girls out during this peak time. The cops were not numerous and the weather was comfortable, so I chose to do one more loop. Then all of a sudden the party began. There was Mary, north of the bookstore, showing her plentiful teeth. There was Gina, inside her Dunkin Donuts hangout, talking up a storm as usual. And there was redhead Nicole crossing Erie Avenue. I passed her by, reluctantly, thinking greater opportunities were ahead. Absolutely nothing against her, I consider her a friend and good date, but like many others here, I'm always wondering who else is out there.
Fortunately, Holly, you were, just north of the 7-11 on the east side. I was driving down the west side and had to circle around and hope you weren't picked up before I did my three right turns. You weren't. You smiled. I smiled. You hopped in, asked if I was a cop and I asked if you were a cop, and off we went, each hoping the other wasn't lying.
The thing that attracted me to you was your slender youthful figure and luxurious hair. The thing that confirmed my wisdom (luck) after you got in the car was your smile, your bedroom eyes, and your soft small breasts. I couldn't wait to reach a private bedroom. You look a lot younger than your 27 years.
We decided on a well-known townhouse south of Lehigh, which was closer and cheaper than the Carlyle. You asked how much for yourself, I said $50, you asked for $60, I said, well, only with something extra, like a photo. Deal struck. You said, "but only if you don't post it on the USA Sex Guide". Huh? Whoa. You were on to us!
So since you are a regular reader of this forum that's why I'm writing this report in letter form. Besides, I'm always looking for ways to present information in a fun and different way. Oh, by the way, I guess after 167 reports I was a little, uh, modest in saying I was "sort of" familiar with the site. :o
Well, taking photos was certainly not the main event. Being with you on that bed was. I was absolutely charmed by your looks and couldn't take my eyes off of you as you took off that bra. Nice small boobs, shapely body, and a killer smile. It didn't take long to join together as one. I think being in the back room upstairs helps the intimacy, compared to the 1st floor living room accommodations.
I sort of let you control the pace. You certainly didn't waste time undressing, putting on the condom and enticing me into your body. But when I asked to slow down you gladly complied. Your hand caressed me a little too roughly, but again you followed my request to be slower and gentler. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really like testicle squeezing or nipple pinching. I'm sure our next visit will feature the soft caresses I like, since you're a happy and willing-to-please partner.
I found it interesting that you don't work for the pimp we both are familiar with, though you live next door and see him frequently. I found your comments about a photographer & a poster on this board interesting. I won't repeat them, so as to help keep us a happy family. But I was surprised that you didn't mind if I posted the clothed picture that I took of you, and asked me only not to post the unclothed picture. You set me straight: facial ID was not the concern, as I had thought. Rather, if someone wants to see you naked, they can darn well come to you and pay for it! Bravo.
Our time together was brief but enjoyable. I'm glad you're back out from your 24 hour+ lockup and keeping yourself afloat after your job layoff, and keeping yourself clean, and enjoying all your dogs. Thanks for the phone number. The fact that you have NOT lost your phone says a lot. See you soon, and I would recommend that others do too!
Love,
Duke
Dear Holly,So since you are a regular reader of this forum that's why I'm writing this report in letter form. Besides, I'm always looking for ways to present information in a fun and different way.Yes you do, Duke, yes you do. Outstanding report, as usual. As someone who's been posting here since 2002, I know Duke to be the author of several of the best, most memorable reports I've ever read on USASexGuide. We don't hear from him much anymore (or from OldDog another great Philly poster), but when we do it's always "in a fun and different way."
As for Holly I'd ask her to respond and give us the SW perspective on things. We don't hear that often enough and I for one always appreciate it. As for busting poor Duke as a visitor to this site, yeah that's one that always catches me off guard on the rare times a girl has brought the subject up. I always play dumb and have never admitted knowing anything about it. But with someone like Holly I'm sure I would enjoy hearing her take on our ravings and reviews.
Dear Holly,
So since you are a regular reader of this forum... I'm writing this report in letter form. Besides, I'm always looking for ways to present information in a fun and different way.
Love,
Duke
Absolutely the best post I’ve read for some time now.
CookyJar
Peach Skoal
03-21-09, 18:16
Great report! Enjoyed the read.
Ps: You Philly dudes are some picture taking fools.
TheyCallMeHawk
03-21-09, 19:23
I don't read this forum much but I received an email today telling me what a great review(report) it was . I have to concur with many of the other fine gents here. That indeed it was a fantastic report. Very creative and extremely well written.
good job
I look forward to reading more of your work in the future.
There has been a lot of great posts on this board, but you take
the award for creativity on this one. Hope to see you posting
more again in the future. And keep the photos coming!
I was at 5th and Westmorland picking up a few things when I saw this hot looking babe show up with a guy getting the same stuff as me. We had to wait a few minutes, and her guy split. When the stuff arrived, we got the stuff but then something happened; she almost got beat down by the proprietor. As I was walking to my car she yelled over asking if I can give her a ride back home. Since it was early, I agreed and she hopped in.
On the way to K and Allegany, we had a good talk. She is a worker and hangs out by the 7-11 (Ontario & K) between 5 and 7 AM. I was surprised she was a SW as she shows no sign of hard drug use and looks hot. She asked if I wanted a "Quick" date, but told her I had to split; so I did not get a chance to try out her services.
Now, here is the deal. The guy she was with was a client who asked her to get him some powder. Since we had to wait for the goods to show up, he got scared and split leaving her. But the purpose of this message is why she almost got beat down. The dude gave her counterfeit bills. We all understand that our donations to these girls go to a dealer. SW’s have no clue about fake money, but dealers are experts. So when out trolling, please use real cash.
Thanks
Pelt Collector
03-22-09, 12:00
The dude gave her counterfeit bills. We all understand that our donations to these girls go to a dealer. SW’s have no clue about fake money, but dealers are experts. So when out trolling, please use real cash.
ThanksNo doubt the guy split after realizing it was HE who was going to get beat (or worse) when said proprietor found out what was up. Wizard is right, when you immerse yourself into the diabolic, bring real $$.
Thedarkstar
03-23-09, 01:23
Went out for the hunt at about 12am tonight. As I drove down Torresdale I see this petite blonde white female on the corner of Longshore, just past the 7-11. I make a few passes for recon then decided she was ok looking enough to pick up. I pulled up down the block on longshore and she gets in. She says her name is Amber and she is 30yrs old.
I ask her for a good spot to park and we got down to business. This girl can talk. And talk some more. I learned her full life story before we got to the location. I was looking for a BBBJ and settled on 25. Her teeth were not in the best condition so I told her just do a HJ. She has a firm petite body, I'm guessing 5'2 with small perky tits. Her sexy little body turned me on so much I told her to drop her pants. She bent over and I did her doggystyle in the front seat. It helps to have dark windows. I threw in an additional 20.
Overall, a good date. Nice body and tits. Built like a 19yo. Talks a lot and very fast. She says her BF is going to get her teeth taken care of. Would repeat if I see her again
Incidentally, she was walking with an unidentified female at the time whose name I later learned to be Cherly, who I believe was also mentioned on this board.
Seems someone is starting a new business with the gals from the Ave. Take a look at the following Ad's, I'm not 100% sure they are the same people but I'm almost positive they are.
Johanna:
CL Ad:
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ers/1088101808.html
USA Photo:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=71858
Holly:
CL Ad:
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ers/1078224640.html
USA Photo:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=71986
Having met up with Holly in the past week I questioned her about the ad and she confirmed that yes she "was" working for someone who was posting but now has left that persons employment, however this person continues to use the pictures.
What do you guys think?
Z
What do you guys think?
ZThey look very similar. In any case, its not a good thing for mongers if someone starts a business on them.
The first girl looks familiar because we have just spent the last week drooling over her.
This would not be the first time that a girl from the ave went online. It usually does not last long because of lack of transportation and timeliness.
This would not be the first time that a girl from the ave went online. It usually does not last long because of lack of transportation and timeliness.
I'l give her a month at the tops.
The first girl looks familiar because we have just spent the last week drooling over her.
This would not be the first time that a girl from the ave went online. It usually does not last long because of lack of transportation and timeliness.
Ok so now I want to kick myself for missing that.
Ok so now I want to kick myself for missing that.
No kicking yourself for bringing good intel to the board!
Horny Harry
03-23-09, 23:32
The first girl looks familiar because we have just spent the last week drooling over her.I agree with Runnow that the first CL girl is almost certainly CJ's Johanna.
But Zaphod you are right that there is a similarity to Jamie's face as seen in the street photo (taken by, wouldn't you know, Runnow). Having seen Jamie in the buff, I can say there's a difference below the neck.
As I said in my December review of Jamie, "The only problem from my perspective was her body. She's 26 years old, and already the boobs are beginning to sag and a couple of wrinkles in the stomach area showed. Like many folks here I (unrealistically) look for a goddess every time, and we all know goddesses have pert shapely tits and flat bellies."
Based on the photos of Johanna I would say she warrants that goddess designation!
By the way I know one of you mongers had to talk with her what was the story with the Cute Young Blond on lettery last night, I tried to do the pick-up but someone was always there talking with here, but never got picked up, I guess she was waiting for a appointment or something I tried 6 times last night but seemed to be a never ending line of vehicles there talking with her ?Ok I Think I answered my own Question here, The Cute Young Blond with a hoodie, may of been Johanna, and was waiting for a ride to her CL appointment...!!!
(Originally Posted by Zaphod II
What do you guys think?)
"Seems someone is starting a new business with the gals from the Ave. Take a look at the following Ad's, I'm not 100% sure they are the same people but I'm almost positive they are.
Johanna:
CL Ad:
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ers/1088101808.html
USA Photo:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/a...achmentid=71858
Holly:
CL Ad:
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ers/1078224640.html
USA Photo:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/a...achmentid=71986
Having met up with Holly in the past week I questioned her about the ad and she confirmed that yes she "was" working for someone who was posting but now has left that persons employment, however this person continues to use the pictures.
What do you guys think?
Z "
Dark Phoenix
03-24-09, 15:41
Being a landlord and having a friend as a tenant in your duplex is a double-edged sword, especially when the tenant doesn't drive and tends to work graveyard shifts at a store which isn't readily accessible by public transportation late in the evening. That's the backstory to my hijinks last night. After dragging my ass in from work, bloodied but still standing from a combative deposition, I had the task of staying up to drive said tenant into work at 11. Not a term of the lease, mind you, but just doing a favor for someone who often has my back as well. To keep myself awake, I brewed up a pot of extra strong coffee....
....and that's how I found myself, wired late at night, coming back from the far Northeast to my humble Tacony neighborhood, where I somehow found myself driving the span of Torresdale stretching from Tyson to Van Kirk, which is where I most frequently find SW activity (there's another stretch as you approach the K that is sometimes productive, but the stroll I drove last night is literally right down the street from my house).
I found a couple of the usual suspects. An older WSW with raven black hair who I'd picked up once before, and who demanded .40 for a very good BBBJ which she abruptly terminated prematurely. She was too old for my tastes to begin with, so I passed on that, even though she was dressed the part in heels and tight jeans and looking pretty good for someone who could still play Mrs. Robinson to me. I also saw a couple BSWs down by Van Kirk, but based on my prior experiences with BSWs (5 out of the 6 I've picked up have ripped me off or tried to), I passed on them also. Finally, coming back toward the 7-11 at Disston I saw what appeared to be a cute blonde WSW giving me the obvious eye. Turned the corner and picked her up.
Now, I have to confess I'm only semi-sure of her hooker name, and think it was Jamie. She's maybe about 30, very cute with features I thought were Polish. She readily agreed to my offer of .25 for a BBBJ and off we went in search of a spot. Our first choice turned out to suddenly turn into a major traffic artery as soon as my pants were down, and we had to move, but even the minor taste I got there was enough to send this gal right up to the top of my current list. Although not able to DT, she gives what I've previously described as a "theatrical" BJ, very sexy and very nasty and slutty, looking up at me with half-lidded eyes, drooling, spitting, backing off to stroke me with her hand while looking at my cock hungrily and licking her lips in genuine heat. I reached back to play with her puss and found she was already busily doing the same, two fingers jammed in there and working hard. She was getting off and turning me on no end with her hungry performance. In the end, though, she slightly disappointed me by dodging the load, which was considerable after what she'd just done to me. I'm sure if I brought in one of those CSI-style infrared lights, the inside of my care would look like a splatter movie....
Dropped her off near her place and she gave me a number, her actual name, and a DFK goodnight. Asked if I could share her # but she said she wasn't comfortable with that, although I'll likely revisit that issue after a repeat visit or two. IMHO, very well worth it for the sheer enthusiasm, but according to her she was really attracted to me so YMMV. Look between Cottman and Unruh.
And that fucking coffee still has me awake.
Made a pass on the K this morning, WoW was there alot of Leo with K-9 Dogs going into cars they had pulled over, Did not stick around!
Vin - was out at 6 AM and they were in full force.
Was not out trolling, just passing through to work and I got nervous!
Member #5944
03-26-09, 07:14
I rolled through this area yesterday around noon, all was quiet. Any activity during the day ? Seemed kind of quiet to me as their was a van full of police, possibly cadets, up at princeton & torresdale. Would like catch up with your find (jamie) any particular area she is fond of?
Hey Fellow Brotheren,
COming thru Philly tomorrow. Any digits on these 2 fine phillies? Any PM will be much appreciated.
Happy Hunting!
PC out
Dark Phoenix
03-26-09, 16:26
[/QUOTE]I rolled through this area yesterday around noon, all was quiet. Any activity during the day ? Seemed kind of quiet to me as their was a van full of police, possibly cadets, up at princeton & torresdale. Would like catch up with your find (jamie) any particular area she is fond of?[/QUOTE]
Dude. Read the last sentence of the post.
Member #5944
03-26-09, 21:52
I rolled through this area yesterday around noon, all was quiet. Any activity during the day ? Seemed kind of quiet to me as their was a van full of police, possibly cadets, up at princeton & torresdale. Would like catch up with your find (jamie) any particular area she is fond of?[/QUOTE]
Dude. Read the last sentence of the post.[/QUOTE]"And that fucking coffee still has me awake"? Ahhh, must be the 7-11! I gotcha!
Thanks
Pay For It
03-29-09, 17:25
Venturing up to the K this week for the first time in a long time. Witht he Patio closed what is the best no tel choice these days. Adress and name would be awesome.
Venturing up to the K this week for the first time in a long time. Witht he Patio closed what is the best no tel choice these days. Adress and name would be awesome.
The Carlyle would be your best bet. Do a search the info is here.
Texaco Tim
03-30-09, 21:12
Ran into one of Supereloquent's ladies, Melanie, the 4'11" pixie last week down by Cambria. Everything he reported is still true as she is easy to deal with and none of the hardness that comes with this biz. I suspect she will be around for a while as she is having no luck finding a regular job I am sorry to say.
One odd thing happened as I dropped her off at her spot. Her manager/boyfriend came out of nowhere swinging a 2 by 4 and yelling at me that he was going to kill me. Not actually feeling threatened since I could (and did) drive away, I was expecting hm to whack my car but since he didn't it was obvious he was just putting on a show. Have no idea what that was all about. Will stop and ask Mel when I see her again.
Horny Harry
03-30-09, 22:05
Ran into one of Supereloquent's ladies, Melanie, the 4'11" pixie last week down by Cambria. Everything he reported is still true as she is easy to deal with and none of the hardness that comes with this biz. I suspect she will be around for a while as she is having no luck finding a regular job I am sorry to say.
One odd thing happened as I dropped her off at her spot. Her manager/boyfriend came out of nowhere swinging a 2 by 4 and yelling at me that he was going to kill me. Not actually feeling threatened since I could (and did) drive away, I was expecting hm to whack my car but since he didn't it was obvious he was just putting on a show. Have no idea what that was all about. Will stop and ask Mel when I see her again.Good report, Tim. Melanie sounds like my kind of girl, and I'll be on the lookout for her in the area you described.
I guess many people here have stories about threats from angry boyfriends. Mine was potentially more dangerous: the guy was in a car! And he did indeed pull alongside and shouted that I was with his sister and to pull over immediately. Fortunately his "sister" had her wits about her and said just to keep driving and head to the local police station, which she apparently had visited before. We did just that, with him tailgating us, and pulled into the 26th district parking lot near the entrance door. He was still behind us, and I was ready to blast my horn if he got out. But recognizing where we were, he turned around and drove away. Whew!
Another story: a real boyfriend was able to get his arm into the driver side window, grab my arm, and demand my wallet. Fortunately he was a dufus and didn't realize I had most of my cash tucked under a flap and $55 (my hobby money) above the flap. He took the $55 and after pleas from his girlfriend gave the wallet back. The microsecond that she got out of the car I gunned it down the avenue and eventually reached over and closed the door. Double whew!
So the moral of my stories is:
• know where the local police station is. (If you've been to the Patio you know Whitaker Ave...the 24th district is at 3901 Whitaker)
• keep your window rolled up
• know where your spending money is and keep any other cash/cards in a separate place
Well, this is the streetwalker reports thread and I've overstayed my visit, so I'd better go find Melanie so I can report on her...
Supereloquent
03-31-09, 00:43
I guess many people here have stories about threats from angry boyfriends. I did notice when I dropped off Melanie last time that she seemed to be having a heated exchange with some dude on the Somerset corner as I was departing. I thought this very strange for 2 reasons: she claimed to be relatively new to this as a result of having lost her job (so who would she know well enough on the Ave to have an argument with, was my thought at the time), and her demeanor certainly had never shown signs of such a confrontational nature when we were together. Given Texaco Tim's report on Melanie's angry "boyfriend" I would be extra cautious when picking her up and dropping her off.
On another note, some guy called me on Natalie's number threatening to punch me out: another good reason to be cautious and use a throwaway phone. With enough motivation and resources even a cell phone can be traced, and who needs some angry boyfriend in your face.
Accessory Man
03-31-09, 00:58
Good report, Tim. Melanie sounds like my kind of girl, and I'll be on the lookout for her in the area you described.
I guess many people here have stories about threats from angry boyfriends. Mine was potentially more dangerous: the guy was in a car! And he did indeed pull alongside and shouted that I was with his sister and to pull over immediately. Fortunately his "sister" had her wits about her and said just to keep driving and head to the local police station, which she apparently had visited before. We did just that, with him tailgating us, and pulled into the 26th district parking lot near the entrance door. He was still behind us, and I was ready to blast my horn if he got out. But recognizing where we were, he turned around and drove away. Whew!
Another story: a real boyfriend was able to get his arm into the driver side window, grab my arm, and demand my wallet. Fortunately he was a dufus and didn't realize I had most of my cash tucked under a flap and $55 (my hobby money) above the flap. He took the $55 and after pleas from his girlfriend gave the wallet back. The microsecond that she got out of the car I gunned it down the avenue and eventually reached over and closed the door. Double whew!
So the moral of my stories is:
• know where the local police station is. (If you've been to the Patio you know Whitaker Ave...the 24th district is at 3901 Whitaker)
• keep your window rolled up
• know where your spending money is and keep any other cash/cards in a separate place
Well, this is the streetwalker reports thread and I've overstayed my visit, so I'd better go find Melanie so I can report on her...Seems to me it would have been easier to shot him, in both cases.
I guess many people here have stories...So the moral of my stories is:
• know where the local police station is. (If you've been to the Patio you know Whitaker Ave...the 24th district is at 3901 Whitaker)
• keep your window rolled up
• know where your spending money is and keep any other cash/cards in a separate placeI had my worst mongering experience a little while back and it's temporarily cooled me on the hobby which is probably not a bad thing in the long run. I'm usually very cautious and abide by all the monger rules of engagement. But this time I'd had a drink or two, got lazy and over-confident.
I picked up a girl I've been with the several times before and had had nothing but good experiences with prior to this (this was not in Philly). My first mistake was agreeing to a quick stop (well maybe that was my second mistake since drinking and mongering is not a wise combination either). When she came back out I wasn't paying attention and she let somebody into the back seat before I could stop them. Once in, the one in the back seat robbed me while my SW grabbed the keys from the ignition like she was going to run with it. I hit the horn like crazy while the one in back was all over me trying to get into my pockets and other parts of the car. The constant beeping of the horn freaked them a little. I was parked on a fairly busy street in a bad area during daytime. I grabbed my keys back and they bolted w/ my mongering money from my shirt pocket and some extra cash I normally would stow safely away if I wasn't so "trusting" of the girl I was with. The whole thing could have been worse of course, but that didn't make me feel better. I was as mad at myself as I was at them. Desperate habits make for desperate people. For me the takeaway was never let yourself get so relaxed at this stuff that you skip items on your safety checklist and think it can't happen to you.
Freaklikdat
03-31-09, 10:58
For me the takeaway was never let yourself get so relaxed at this stuff that you skip items on your safety checklist and think it can't happen to you.I totally agree with you on this.
Just something to think about, 1st I have never had a real bad situation and I always warn the girls if you rip me off YOU will not make it out of the door. You guys spend a fair amount of $$ on the hobby so why not protect yourself? I ordered a Cheetah 650, 000 Volt Retractable/Rechargeable Stun Baton
Here is a link and info to what I carry for protection:
http://www.kingofswords.com/Self-Defense/Stun-Guns/Cheetah-650000-Volt-RetractableRechargeable-Stun-Baton.html
I modified it to deactivate the load alarm it has. This is a nice unit and it works with out having to extend it and when extended it sends electrical voltage sparks up and down the tube a real nice feature that will make anyone thing! Plus let them try to grab it It will also go thru 1/2" material clothing. But one note if you play with it to much you will wear down the 4 batterys. I normally carry a gun but with the laws today its not worth it, Plus if your not experienced in weapons and self control stay away. This Baton maybe? Or Maybe not? Legal in your state or states? Even if it were not whats the worst that can happen? I am sure if you had to go to court over having one you could always use the excuse you were tired of being robbed and its safer then a gun! Plus a good lawyer can make a good case. I keep mine next to me hiden and on and ready anytime I am in a bad area or when someone gets into my vehicle or approaches. Should someone try to rob me or run with my money she would not get out the door. The more you hold it on the more mobilizing it is as stated in the manual. Its just an idea as most of you guys live in big cities and you should have the right to protect your self. But you need to keep it ready and hiden but quickly accessable. Above the visor or down on the side of your car seat would make it quickly accessable. So many might aggree and some might not. But with things the way they are today I would never walk down a street in a big city without. One other note some states that do allow them say it must be holstered and some even allow concelled, This one comes with a holster or it can be carried in the back of your pants under your shirt. So you can help keep your ass safe or just be another victim. Excuse the spelling. Always be ready for the worst I say.
Abcpanther
04-01-09, 11:26
I think we all have stories like this. I know when I started mongering and wasn't aware of this site or the rules, I made a few mistakes....here are a couple.
1) Left my wallet in the middle glove box in my car. After the SW and I finished, I started cleaning up, turned my head...she found the wallet and took my cash (3.0). OUCH! I still had no idea what happened and while I was driving to drop her off, she warned me, " You really need to be careful".
2) Left too much money on me. I went to a SWs house and she preceeded to complete a BBBJ. My pants were around my ankles and I was sitting on the couch. She was on the floor. She was shifting a lot, but I just figured she was getting comfortable....as it turned out, she was going through my pants pockets, while doing the BBBJ. By the time I found out, she pulled out an additional .6
3) With another SW, paid her, started the BBBJ...then she said that we could get more comfortable at her place...she left to check the house and make sure that everything was ok with her roommates...never saw her again...incomplete service.
4) Left change in the ash trey of my car...many Sws will check and ask if they can keep the change. (sometimes there was an extra .05). Much easier to just remove the tempation.
Of course, I've learned from all this, but maybe someone else will learn from my early "stupidity", ignorance, and bad experience.
Good Luck and Keep Safe
I was out roaming the Ave Monday and Tuesday. On Monday afternoon at K and Lehigh I picked up Brooke. She has long brownish/dark hair and glasses. I thought she was a civilian at first but she was giving the look and when the bus came, she never got on. She was very pleasant and nice. She said she used to be a regular on the Ave a few years ago. Afterward, I did a search and found the pictures and reports. She looks pretty much the same. She didn’t say why she’s back and I didn’t ask. I have to say, I hate to see somebody who got out come back. She said it was only to be a brief return but I’ve heard that before. Anyway, I got a nice BJ from her at a reasonable price. Later on I had a date with Jamie/Gianna. She did a great BJ and it was an all-around good time. Later that night I saw some other girls I had never seen before but missed out as they got picked up pretty fast.
On Tuesday afternoon I saw Mandi. Her hair’s a pinkish color now. I was going to date her but could never get her attention. Another girl, who I wasn’t interested in, thought I wanted to pick her up and kept getting in the way. Mandi seemed kind of out of it and distracted so I bailed. There was lots of LE around. A paddy wagon and a bunch of LE standing around was across from the Huntingdon Station. I guess Tuesday is a big LE day.
Anyway, the warmer weather seems to bringing more girls out.
Trashed201
04-02-09, 00:08
Picked up Jen neat Cumberland Monday around midnight. She's a pretty blond about 5'3 130. Pleasant personality. Went to the Carlyle for an above average BBBJCIM. Stayed with it till I was drained. Donated average K contribution. Gave a modest tip. Won't repeat as she gave me attitude stating next time I need 50 since it's so far. Not with me you won't! Oh well another one and done.
Did a quick cruise on the "K" this afternoon. Bone dry + lot's of LE, including on Bikes - not a good sign.
Forth Ryte
04-04-09, 08:03
Did a quick cruise on the "K" this afternoon.If memory serves, when new members start posting, their posts are delayed a day or two so that the Admin can screen them until they are trusted to post within the rules here. By contrast, I noted that, after I became a senior member, my posts began to appear instantly.
Lanky, for his first post gave helpful information BUT, if his posts are delayed significantly, then the value of his time-sensitive observation ("bone dry this afternoon") is lost.
My suggestion to newer members is that they tell us which day they made their observation. This is especially helpful as we try to find patterns in which days of the week LE makes a show of force.
That said, welcome to the board, Lanky.
Forth Ryte
Cool Man856
04-04-09, 08:24
Just need to clarify, I do NOT post on craigslist. Someone uses my pictures, but do not call, because that is not me. If you wish to contact me, send me a PM.
Thank you.
Fun Jersey
04-04-09, 10:42
Saw several guys pulled over and got pulled over myself and asked why I had driven up the street and back down again. My bad for not picking up the lack of girls and the LE presence and leaving immediately. Question for the board. If they don't ticket you, are the legally allowed to retain any information that they pulled you over for no reason? Was a little surprised as he admitted he had no probably cause other than driving up and down the street.
Will be more explicit (date, etc) next time.
Did a quick cruise on the "K" this afternoon. Bone dry + lot's of LE, including on Bikes - not a good sign.I was working in the area and also did the K stroll several times During the Day Fri, most of the time I saw 6 or more but around 2 or so did not see any, then later in the afternoon there were more, including Cookie-Jar's Jackie's Report, Down by the book store, Having seen her before with another girl a couple days before standing by the book store I thought she was LEO, but after reading his report I know other wise, but she was by her self on fri, next time I'll try and do the pick.up
Here are some things I learned from the Ave
1) How to correctly go down a one way street the wrong way. ! You drive past the street then throw it in reverse and back down the street the wrong way, this way you will be facing the right way if you get stopped
2) Don't Piss off the crossing guard at Allegheny & K, She will come over and blow that whistle hard while in your face and spit will cover your windshield. (my ears are still ringing, my wipers were on from the rain, good thing) I made a turn where there is a sign saying you can't. I Did this because of a Major traffic Jam cause of construction several blocks away on the K, She was swing her arms around, and I followed several other cars just fleeing the area cause of grid lock. After Blowing the whistle in my face, She said follow the signs, I said sorry, I thought you were waving for me to get out of the intersection, She gave me a nasty look, If I Didn't move, nobody was going anywhere.
3) Don't turn down any side streets during garbage pick-up times (which seems to be every day of the week) I saw a WSW wanted to pick up, made loop and got behind a Garbage truck, could not back up cause there were a couple of cars behind me already I should of just got out of my car and helped, then made a detour down another street and rolled up behind another, well by the time I got back to the ave, she was Gone.
4) And speaking of garbage, I was on the Ave the next morning after the Needle report on K and Somerset, I made a commit here That I never seen the ave so Clean, there was an army of Clean up people there, they were wondering around looking for something to pick up, I looked around and the street was spotless, I felt bad for them, and looked to see if I had anything to throw out of my car, But I had my breakfast and threw my garbage out at McDonalds in the Garbage can There. ! By late afternoon the ave that was spotless was already looking back to It's old self, and where does it all come from?
5) Can any body tell me the speed limit on the K? If you see a car with a truck tire with no rim tied to the rear bumper that would be me. That will be to lessen the damage from some body running into me, When strolling the K and going 24 MPH and there is nobody in front of me, why are all the locals blowing there horn and waving the hands at me. And the LEO the other night who got behind me and Drafted ME all the way down K and Front and pushed me onto 95, (I have out of state plates) I swear to Christ he turned off his car and rode my draft, could not even see his head lights just his white hood and him talking on the radio, he must had a remote control to keep the lights green all the way, if I would had hit my breaks, he would of been on top of me.
Saw several guys pulled over and got pulled over myself and asked why I had driven up the street and back down again. My bad for not picking up the lack of girls and the LE presence and leaving immediately. Question for the board. If they don't ticket you, are the legally allowed to retain any information that they pulled you over for no reason? Was a little surprised as he admitted he had no probably cause other than driving up and down the street.Ok when I first started that was one of my Questions, If stoped what would I say, I see you have Jersey in your Handle so I guess you have jersey plates, as I do, One of the answer's here was looking for a ATM, I can just see LE , What no ATM's in Jersey
I have yet to be pulled over, I don't drive A Van, SUV or Pick-up with dark tinted windows ( Do you have one of these ? )
I Had my excuse for being on the K handed to me on the K Ave.....!!!
A while back while strolling there is a furniture store on the corner of K & Boston, on the K ave they were handing out flyers while waiting at the traffic light on there sale items, I keep a copy on my front seat so if I'm ever stopped I can just hand it over to leo and ask for directions to the store and if I happen to be in front of the store I would say I doing some Price comparison from the store from the other end of the K down by the car dealers I think its called Chrissy's furniture outlet
Now maybe a little help from some other members, As to take a SW on a car Date, I've got the Notel Ok, and Places to Park at Night I have several, But they are not good for daylight hours, I've used SW places where they say it's safe and so far my luck has not run out during daylight Hours, But still need a place to go during day light hours if the SW does not have a place and were not going to Notel. Any Help You can PM me as not to give to much away
Thanks
5) Can any body tell me the speed limit on the K? If you see a car with a truck tire with no rim tied to the rear bumper that would be me. That will be to lessen the damage from some body running into me, When strolling the K and going 24 MPH and there is nobody in front of me, why are all the locals blowing there horn and waving the hands at me. And the LEO the other night who got behind me and Drafted ME all the way down K and Front and pushed me onto 95, (I have out of state plates) I swear to Christ he turned off his car and rode my draft, could not even see his head lights just his white hood and him talking on the radio, he must had a remote control to keep the lights green all the way, if I would had hit my breaks, he would of been on top of me.
Congratulations you just had your first PPD Unwelcome wagon greeting. Dont worry it's happened to me a few times too, just get your ass outta there and stay away for the rest of that shift.
1) How to correctly go down a one way street the wrong way. ! You drive past the street then throw it in reverse and back down the street the wrong way, this way you will be facing the right way if you get stopped
Ummm, no, just don't do shit like that. No wonder the PPD tailed you.
1) How to correctly go down a one way street the wrong way. ! You drive past the street then throw it in reverse and back down the street the wrong way, this way you will be facing the right way if you get stopped
(Ummm, no, just don't do shit like that. No wonder the PPD tailed you.)
Ok, I did not do that, but I've seen it done so many times you would think it's Ok, Just like the cars in front of me, If they see something they like on the ave they just hit the brakes and do a you turn on the K, No mater what the conditions are like. I never did That either
There was a post here about some SW going out around 5AM, I did the stroll around then and only a couple on the ave, when I did the Loop back Boston, Jasper and streets up etc. WoW there must of been one on every corner and some in between, made a pickup and my first words were where did everybody come from, she laughed and said some times more an less, told me alot of guys go to work early, easy to get out of the house, and looking for a Quick one, Need to get to work on time.
There was more Traffic on Jasper then on the K, Vans, SUV'S Pickups.
Thedarkstar
04-05-09, 08:18
Forgive the lateness of this report. Was out early last Sunday morning, a little after 6:30am and decided to make my way down to the K to see what it had to offer at this time of the day, as I rarely get a chance to troll this early.
As I made my way to the K, via Torresdale Ave going South, I spot a female on the corner of Torresdale and Orthodox. My SW senses went off and a doubled back an pulled over. She got in and introduced herself as Jen. Jen was a MILF, middle thirties, dark hair, wearing a mini skirt and fishnets, yes fishnets!
Anyway, we found a quiet block not far away and got down to business. She asked for. 30 for a BBBJ and I upgraded to CFS for an extra. 20. Pleasant girl and worthy of a repeat visit. Needless to say, I never made it the K, as I had to head to work.
Got her # but her phone has since been disconnected.
Now maybe a little help from some other members, As to take a SW on a car Date, I've got the Notel Ok, and Places to Park at Night I have several, But they are not good for daylight hours, I've used SW places where they say it's safe and so far my luck has not run out during daylight Hours, But still need a place to go during day light hours if the SW does not have a place and were not going to Notel. Any Help You can PM me as not to give to much away
Thanks[/QUOTE]Vin Wal,
Try the shopping center on Aramingo Ave, that has a Home Depot, or something like that. It is on the east side of the street. I think the border streets are Venango and Ontario. If you venture over to the north side of that lot, that borders a fenced in school bus parking lot, it is a pretty quiet area. The bus drivers probably park their cars there.
Fun Jersey
04-05-09, 18:55
It's weird actually know someone on Cumberland and said I was going to visit them. They would vouch for me. He gave me a raft of crap and then at the end said he pulled me over because my brake light was out. My bad. The brake light thing is hard to check on your own.
Question for the group. How long should I lay low before going back out. SHould I just shift my time to a different shift?
Lanky, you're a newbie so maybe I should cut you some slack. But in asking his question Vin Wall clued you in on how you should have responded. Talking about parking spots is way up there in my list of monger pet peeves. I don't want to hear somebody tell me how LE knows this spot. Yeah that's probably true. It's not the first time it's been posted here either. But when somebody posts a parking spot location, others read it and it will increase the number of mongers who go there. That sooner or later will increase the heat on that location. We've seen it happen before - good locations ruined by somebody being stupid. Parking spots should be shared via PM only.
As long as you're advertising, for your next report how about you go ahead and list your name, phone number, vehicle description, and license plate number. While you're at it be sure and upload a current head shot of yourself in the Photo Gallery.
I'm doing very little mongering these days as I mentioned in a recent report but I was down K way Sunday mid-afternoon. Driving a block off K south of Lehigh I came across a very pretty, slender young blonde in a belly shirt. God I love belly shirts on the right belly. What a glorious sign of Spring. I parked up a block around the corner and she walked over to me and got in. Said her name was Jen. She looked a bit familiar but I'm quite sure I haven't picked her up before. I don't tend to forget them when they're this pretty.
My next thought is that I must know her from a set Cooky did. But tonight I skimmed through 3 pages of archive posts on "Jen," 4 pages of "Jennifers," checked all 4 "Jen's" and one "Jenny" in the Photo Gallery and I really didn't see anything matching this one. I suppose Trashed201's report from a few days ago might be the same girl ("pretty," similar location, same hair color, but mine was taller than 5'3" and hard to imagine mine being as assertive as his was). As far as her looking familiar all I can think of is she looks similar to a non-SW Jennifer I've lusted after in AC who looks like a model IMO. This one is not quite that spectacular but facially I'd give her at least a 8.5 on the SW scale. She looked to be in her early 20's, had clean shoulder-length hair, maybe 5'6" or 5'7", 120 lbs, A or B cups, pretty eyes, beautiful smile (w/ maybe one slightly discolored tooth), nice jawline, really classic all-American girl features. She looked a little worn, eyes a bit tired but otherwise a fine prize on the Ave.
All it took was the going rate. I thought she might ask for more. Her BBBJ technique was good and steady and she uses some hand action. I reclined my seat, shoved her hair over her neck and away from her face so I could watch this pretty young thing slobber up and down my shaft until I shot my sizeable load CIM. She was more quiet than most throughout the date, but on the drive back I could tell she seemed depressed which, now that I haven't been able to find any other reports about her, makes me think she may be relatively new to this.
Because Jen was quiet I didn't get much chance to know her. She has Main Line looks but speaks with a trace of ghetto mumble. But with those looks and good service, I'd pick her up anytime, personality or no personality. Said she has no digits.
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