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SpongeBob66
06-29-17, 11:30
While I can't argue with the logic of any of this, and I won't dispute the importance of playing it safe, I will say that I've hung out with a girl for an entire day while she was working (2 actually), and there is sometimes so much more going on behind the scenes than you would imagine. If you live out of town or are on a very specific schedule then I suppose you have to make appointments in advance, otherwise I would recommend just calling a girl when you're ready to see her.
As flaky as you think the one woman you want to see on a particular day is being, imagine the constant bombardment of calls and texts this girl is receiving from guys asking the same questions, trying to talk her down in price, requesting more pictures, and then saying they're on their way and not showing up or deciding to show up later when another guy has just said he's on his way. It's really incredible to watch and impressive that, in the middle of it all, they can even occasionally remember that one call or text from a regular who said he was going to show up at a specific time several hours later. And they do really remember you; you're just not quite as important to them as you'd like to think. They ultimately want to get as much money as quickly as they can right now and then get the next guy in the door or, if they have enough cash already, buy drugs.
Sometimes the drug deal itself is a big hassle that takes up a larger than expected chunk of the day. They have to wait for the guy to drop the stuff off. He might not be on time, but that's an appointment she really can't miss, so she'll have to reschedule with a client to accommodate that. Once she gets high, it gets even more chaotic. She'll start nodding off in the middle of text conversations, and then the whole day kind of slows down because that money is suddenly not nearly as important because she's not thinking about her next high yet.
I also saw this girl's parents unexpectedly drop off her kids for several hours in the middle of the day. Any appointment she had was put on hold because she (thankfully) refused to have the kids step out while she was seeing a client, even though they knew their mom gave massages for a living and worked out of the hotel.
The rest of the world runs on a schedule, but these girls are basically on call 24 hours a day, so making appointments isn't always the best fit for them. I've had much better luck calling a girl when I'm ready to see her. If she's not free, call the next one on your list. If she doesn't answer when you call and you have the time, maybe wait a half hour to see if she calls back before moving onto the next girl. She's probably dealing with some shit.Fantastic post. Thank you.
Member #5710
06-30-17, 08:44
While I can't argue with the logic of any of this, and I won't dispute the importance of playing it safe, I will say that I've hung out with a girl for an entire day while she was working (2 actually), and there is sometimes so much more going on behind the scenes than you would imagine. If you live out of town or are on a very specific schedule then I suppose you have to make appointments in advance, otherwise I would recommend just calling a girl when you're ready to see her.
As flaky as you think the one woman you want to see on a particular day is being, imagine the constant bombardment of calls and texts this girl is receiving from guys asking the same questions, trying to talk her down in price, requesting more pictures, and then saying they're on their way and not showing up or deciding to show up later when another guy has just said he's on his way. It's really incredible to watch and impressive that, in the middle of it all, they can even occasionally remember that one call or text from a regular who said he was going to show up at a specific time several hours later. And they do really remember you; you're just not quite as important to them as you'd like to think. They ultimately want to get as much money as quickly as they can right now and then get the next guy in the door or, if they have enough cash already, buy drugs.
Sometimes the drug deal itself is a big hassle that takes up a larger than expected chunk of the day. They have to wait for the guy to drop the stuff off. He might not be on time, but that's an appointment she really can't miss, so she'll have to reschedule with a client to accommodate that. Once she gets high, it gets even more chaotic. She'll start nodding off in the middle of text conversations, and then the whole day kind of slows down because that money is suddenly not nearly as important because she's not thinking about her next high yet.
I also saw this girl's parents unexpectedly drop off her kids for several hours in the middle of the day. Any appointment she had was put on hold because she (thankfully) refused to have the kids step out while she was seeing a client, even though they knew their mom gave massages for a living and worked out of the hotel.
The rest of the world runs on a schedule, but these girls are basically on call 24 hours a day, so making appointments isn't always the best fit for them. I've had much better luck calling a girl when I'm ready to see her. If she's not free, call the next one on your list. If she doesn't answer when you call and you have the time, maybe wait a half hour to see if she calls back before moving onto the next girl. She's probably dealing with some shit.If I schedule a time and she cancels last minute or is a no show, etc, then my time has been wasted. My time is also valuable. I understand shit happens but if you're life is that chaotic, then don't make appointments. Like I said, I give one pass the first time it happens but when it happens again, I just move on.
Recon from Chad Adler
Sometimes the drug deal itself is a big hassle that takes up a larger than expected chunk of the day. They have to wait for the guy to drop the stuff off. He might not be on time, but that's an appointment she really can't miss, so she'll have to reschedule with a client to accommodate that. Once she gets high, it gets even more chaotic. She'll start nodding off in the middle of text conversations, and then the whole day kind of slows down because that money is suddenly not nearly as important because she's not thinking about her next high yet.
Avoid all this shit and find a girl that doesn't use drugs and become a regular client.
Kandiland1 will be here on July 2nd.
Just trying to help.
CruiserinGR
07-10-17, 20:27
When contacting a provider I have never seen before I usually ask then for a confirmation selfie, like "hold a spoon up to your ear" or something offbeat that would confirm that is the person I am communicating with. This morning a provider tried to tell me that my burner phone number has been reviewed as a "pic collector". Has anyone ever heard of anything like that or know of any secrete data base that providers use for such purposes?
I'm highly doubting it.
RedWing814
07-11-17, 01:49
When contacting a provider I have never seen before I usually ask then for a confirmation selfie, like "hold a spoon up to your ear" or something offbeat that would confirm that is the person I am communicating with. This morning a provider tried to tell me that my burner phone number has been reviewed as a "pic collector". Has anyone ever heard of anything like that or know of any secrete data base that providers use for such purposes?
I'm highly doubting it.My caller I'd app has a very similar feature so it's possible.
I used to hang with one of these girls and yes you would not believe how hounded she was for pics. She would send and then silence. This girl was hot she is in prison now but they didn't go quiet cause she was ugly. So she would save the number as pic collector. She wasted a lot of time till she got wise to that shit. A confirmation pic is one thing with all the fake pics but anything else and she would move on. I also if she looks TGTBT will ask for a pic. Make a peace sign shit like that.
Another hobby danger to look out for. Monger books date with SP. It turns out that he booked his own wife. LOL Maybe they are compatible after all.
http://www.unitednews.org/lexington-sc-man-horrified-booking-prostitute-wife-arrived/
DeanTheDream
07-18-17, 11:36
Hello everybody I was wondering if anyone had any info on Bambi. She's a busty Puerto Rican who gets around the Grand Rapids area. She's typically hustling dates out of local bars. Private message me if you have any information thank you.
Member #5710
07-21-17, 07:35
Another hobby danger to look out for. Monger books date with SP. It turns out that he booked his own wife. LOL Maybe they are compatible after all.
http://www.unitednews.org/lexington-sc-man-horrified-booking-prostitute-wife-arrived/Sounds like a Rupert Holmes song gone bad.
Spartan191
07-22-17, 07:13
This guy makes 5 million a year and not only doesn't use a burner phone but he used a state (university) owned phone to call a provider.
A Detroit number no less.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20117453/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-rebels-resigns-escort-service-calls-cited
There is a popular Grand Rapids / Muskegon provider currently extorting one of our senior members. She's having his baby, of all things. She says yes we used a condum but it didn't work and you are the daddy.
Our solidarity has been an awesome tool in shutting down bad providers. Latest example is Amber Rose driven to the streets and failing fast with an abusive pimp.
I believe we should all unify to eliminate this behavior from our providers in Michigan.
Make sure they never work here again and drive them to the streets like Amber Rose.
We need to expose them and post about their extortion where where ever they post their ads.
ChicagoSouth
08-05-17, 17:24
There is a popular Grand Rapids / Muskegon provider currently extorting one of our senior members. She's having his baby, of all things. She says yes we used a condum but it didn't work and you are the daddy.
Our solidarity has been an awesome tool in shutting down bad providers. Latest example is Amber Rose driven to the streets and failing fast with an abusive pimp.
I believe we should all unify to eliminate this behavior from our providers in Michigan.
Make sure they never work here again and drive them to the streets like Amber Rose.
We need to expose them and post about their extortion where where ever they post their ads.Well said.
ChipCharger
08-05-17, 17:31
There is a popular Grand Rapids / Muskegon provider currently extorting one of our senior members. She's having his baby, of all things. She says yes we used a condum but it didn't work and you are the daddy.
Our solidarity has been an awesome tool in shutting down bad providers. Latest example is Amber Rose driven to the streets and failing fast with an abusive pimp.
I believe we should all unify to eliminate this behavior from our providers in Michigan.
Make sure they never work here again and drive them to the streets like Amber Rose.
We need to expose them and post about their extortion where where ever they post their ads.You don't give us much information here Benz, in order to be helpful. Enlighten us a bit more if you can.
You don't give us much information here Benz, in order to be helpful. Enlighten us a bit more if you can. Sorry for being vague, I'm currently trying to get him to post the info. It didn't happen to me but it could happen to anyone of us at anytime. I think he's hoping she sees this post and does the right thing by backing off.
It could get interesting because I believe that Miss M. 25 is a member too. After he sees you're interested in knowing more he will probably contact you.
Sorry for being vague, I'm currently trying to get him to post the info. It didn't happen to me but it could happen to anyone of us at anytime. I think he's hoping she sees this post and does the right thing by backing off.
It could get interesting because I believe that Miss M. 25 is a member too. After he sees you're interested in knowing more he will probably contact you.I would think there are several of us interested in more information. If for no other reason than knowing who to stay away from.
I would think there are several of us interested in more information. If for no other reason than knowing who to stay away from.Getting feedback from others, this B itch should be exposed but its not my story to tell.
This is sensitive because the extortion is ongoing. At this point it's up to our members that have been extorted to expose her.
She will screen shot your text, research your number and show them to your Significant Other or pay the fee.
I will give her name through private message.
Extortion can be avoided with a hobby phone.
USA members get a hobby phone now.
SpongeBob66
08-06-17, 13:20
There is a popular Grand Rapids / Muskegon provider currently extorting one of our senior members. She's having his baby, of all things. She says yes we used a condum but it didn't work and you are the daddy.
Our solidarity has been an awesome tool in shutting down bad providers. Latest example is Amber Rose driven to the streets and failing fast with an abusive pimp.
I believe we should all unify to eliminate this behavior from our providers in Michigan.
Make sure they never work here again and drive them to the streets like Amber Rose.
We need to expose them and post about their extortion where where ever they post their ads.Thanks, Benz. I appreciate our solidarity.
She SAYS she's pregnant (she may be) and also says she knows the Exact date of conception and therefore it must be me or one other guy (who has had a vasectomy), but this is clearly untrue:
QUOTE:
"The short answer to the question, "Can I find out the exact day I got pregnant?" is, probably not. Determining the exact date of conception is difficult for several reasons.
First of all, you need to know that pregnancy occurs when an ovulated female egg and and male sperm meet and fertilization occurs. This usually takes place in a fallopian tube.
The time of ovulation, when an egg is released from the ovaries and into the fallopian tube, determines a woman's fertility window and varies from woman to woman. Most women ovulate 14 days after the first day of their last menstrual cycle but some women release an egg anywhere from 11 to 21 days after the first day of their last period. An egg is viable, able to be fertilized, up to 24 hours after it has been released from the ovary. Also, sperm can live in a woman's body and fertilize an egg for up to seven days. This means there is a window of a week or so in which a woman can conceive after a sexual encounter".
UNQUOTE.
I have no idea how many men she saw in the SEVENTEEN day window (ten day ovulation window plus seven day sperm longevity) that could possibly fertilize her. But based on all her postings (including yesterday) I'm thinking she's seen more than two men in seventeen days. Also, condoms have an almost 100% single use effectiveness rate When Used Properly, which I did. And vasectomies also are known to fail.
To be sure I'm a nice guy, and perhaps that makes me a mark? But I'm not stupid, and I won't be bullied or extorted. This woman's attitude is threatening, very uncooperative, and maybe not all-together stable. She said she "needs a few hundred dollars for a morning-after-pill" but I know that they are about $100 at a PP clinic and she can make that in a single appointment. She ignores this, and simply threatens to "send someone to my front door (publicly subpoena me)" or "have the kid and you will have to support it. " Like she would carry a pregnancy out of spite?! Really?! For a few hundred dollars?! Absolutely not believable. Even if she's crazy.
This has all been very surprising to me, because I thought our single "date" went very well, and had hoped to see her regularly. And reviews of her on USA are almost all very positive. I learned recently however, that she threatened to "out" one other of our senior members to his wife. He says he paid her the $150 money / ransom she claimed he owed her.
I have no problem whatsoever in a paternity test, because I think the chance that I am a new father is zero, and that this is purely a scam. I promised her that if she does interfere with my private life that I would take every legal means available to make her life miserable. And I have the means to do that. I hope it doesn't come to that.
I would think there are several of us interested in more information. If for no other reason than knowing who to stay away from.Very good point if she's still doing this.
Thanks, Benz. I appreciate our solidarity.
She SAYS she's pregnant (she may be) and also says she knows the Exact date of conception and therefore it must be me or one other guy (who has had a vasectomy), but this is clearly untrue:
QUOTE:
"The short answer to the question, "Can I find out the exact day I got pregnant?" is, probably not. Determining the exact date of conception is difficult for several reasons.
First of all, you need to know that pregnancy occurs when an ovulated female egg and and male sperm meet and fertilization occurs. This usually takes place in a fallopian tube.
The time of ovulation, when an egg is released from the ovaries and into the fallopian tube, determines a woman's fertility window and varies from woman to woman. Most women ovulate 14 days after the first day of their last menstrual cycle but some women release an egg anywhere from 11 to 21 days after the first day of their last period. An egg is viable, able to be fertilized, up to 24 hours after it has been released from the ovary. Also, sperm can live in a woman's body and fertilize an egg for up to seven days. This means there is a window of a week or so in which a woman can conceive after a sexual encounter".
UNQUOTE.
I have no idea how many men she saw in the SEVENTEEN day window (ten day ovulation window plus seven day sperm longevity) that could possibly fertilize her. But based on all her postings (including yesterday) I'm thinking she's seen more than two men in seventeen days. Also, condoms have an almost 100% single use effectiveness rate When Used Properly, which I did. And vasectomies also are known to fail.
To be sure I'm a nice guy, and perhaps that makes me a mark? But I'm not stupid, and I won't be bullied or extorted. This woman's attitude is threatening, very uncooperative, and maybe not all-together stable. She said she "needs a few hundred dollars for a morning-after-pill" but I know that they are about $100 at a PP clinic and she can make that in a single appointment. She ignores this, and simply threatens to "send someone to my front door (publicly subpoena me)" or "have the kid and you will have to support it. " Like she would carry a pregnancy out of spite?! Really?! For a few hundred dollars?! Absolutely not believable. Even if she's crazy.
This has all been very surprising to me, because I thought our single "date" went very well, and had hoped to see her regularly. And reviews of her on USA are almost all very positive. I learned recently however, that she threatened to "out" one other of our senior members to his wife. He says he paid her the $150 money / ransom she claimed he owed her.
I have no problem whatsoever in a paternity test, because I think the chance that I am a new father is zero, and that this is purely a scam. I promised her that if she does interfere with my private life that I would take every legal means available to make her life miserable. And I have the means to do that. I hope it doesn't come to that.Sounds like you are doing the best you can with this extortion attempt, right approach to take. Hard to call in LE on something like this, ***** can ruin your life if you are married. Thanks for the reminder of the dangers of hobbying, this is just one of many pitfalls that await the unwary. Not sure what your reasoning for not naming the lady running this scam, seems like it would make the report more useful than that of just a general warning, might even save some guy from getting caught in the same scam from this unnamed woman.
SpongeBob66
08-07-17, 09:26
Sounds like you are doing the best you can with this extortion attempt, right approach to take. Hard to call in LE on something like this, ***** can ruin your life if you are married. Thanks for the reminder of the dangers of hobbying, this is just one of many pitfalls that await the unwary. Not sure what your reasoning for not naming the lady running this scam, seems like it would make the report more useful than that of just a general warning, might even save some guy from getting caught in the same scam from this unnamed woman.No, being exposed wouldn't ruin my life. I'm married, but my wife has no libido and sex is physically painful for her. I contemplated talking to my wife about doing the BP / escort thing (getting her permission, essentially) before I started, but decided it was kinder to just do it and leave her in the dark. But being exposed would not be the end of my marriage. Frankly, I see this as a way to preserve our marriage, not damage it. We love each other, but we have this physical intimacy issue that I'm doing my best to take care of after years of frustration (and gynocologist visits).
I have not named this woman because it isn't clear yet if she will continue to threaten me.
If she does cross that line and interfere with my private life, I will come down on her hard and you will all be spectators. At that point I will name her to everyone, she will be ruined on BP forever, will lose her "regular" job if she has one, and CPS will take her child away.
Pussy, Info and Safety is why this Board exists! Even the slightest whiff of a threat, of any kind, from a MP or SP and I'll blast her name all over the forum. Why protect a Provider that pulls shit like that?
Pussy, Info and Safety is why this Board exists! Even the slightest whiff of a threat, of any kind, from a MP or SP and I'll blast her name all over the forum. Why protect a Provider that pulls shit like that?Amen.
Amen and Halleluja.
Stroker417
08-07-17, 15:02
Pussy, Info and Safety is why this Board exists! Even the slightest whiff of a threat, of any kind, from a MP or SP and I'll blast her name all over the forum. Why protect a Provider that pulls shit like that?I agree 100%.
This SP / Chic needs to chill out! There is NO good outcome for her in a situation like this. Unless she wises up quick. It's her against dozens of Savvy and Pissed off Mongers who have been around the block so many times they are dizzy from experience! When her business dries up, she'll be stuck walking the "D" or the "L" or the "G" just to scrape together enough for a McPick2!
I have not named this woman because it isn't clear yet if she will continue to threaten me.
She has threatened you. If she stops with you, who is to say she won't threaten someone else tomorrow?? I suppose you could pm everyone because I'm sure we all want to know. I do, so please pm me at least.
Thanks,
TM.
She has threatened you. If she stops with you, who is to say she won't threaten someone else tomorrow?? I suppose you could pm everyone because I'm sure we all want to know. I do, so please pm me at least.
Thanks,
TM.I would like to know as well, please.
I would like to know as well, please.Any member can get the name just by asking.
It pays to be a member of usasexguide.
Thanks, Benz1 .
Any member can get the name just by asking.
It pays to be a member of usasexguide.
Bronco6566
08-10-17, 22:19
I would like to know as well, please.There must be a reason they aren't posting a name so respect that while this plays out and understand that any provider can pull this crap. The risk we all take. I know who it is and Benz gave some decent hints below. It looks like she pulled her ads as of this post so more hints would be pointless. I will say this tho. Muskegon has more to worry about than Grand Rapids so monger on but this is a lesson for all.
WildThing616
08-10-17, 22:52
Could someone please PM the the provider's name & number who was trying to extort a fellow monger? I've been chatting with a provider from Muskegeon who I noticed now isn't posting.
There must be a reason they aren't posting a name so respect that while this plays out and understand that any provider can pull this crap. The risk we all take. I know who it is and Benz gave some decent hints below. It looks like she pulled her ads as of this post so more hints would be pointless. I will say this tho. Muskegon has more to worry about than Grand Rapids so monger on but this is a lesson for all.This is it.
She has threatened more than one of our senior members.
If she makes good on the threat we will pull the trigger.
Releasing her Hobby name, real name, home address( put up a yard sign ho for hire) and place of work and address.(drop some flyers around her work). We are hoping she will relocate and stop extorting mongers.
Some mongers have sent me messages guessing the girl correctly because she did it to them too. They remain silent hoping the threat is not real.
1. usasexguide is a community and will always have each other's back.
2. Get a hobby phone. It won't always help, if she follows you home. But you will be safer than mongering without one.
3. You are safer because you are a member of this forum.
Read USA every day and stay safe.
ChipCharger
08-11-17, 11:30
When I was young (a very long time ago) my uncle, Sam spent a lot of time and effort training me to do his bidding and then shipped me to Southeast Asia. I was a snot nose kid in the 75th Airborne. Good thing for me there were many more experienced guys who were experts and had been in that Ranger unit for a long time. Cooler heads do prevail. If there is any number of unforeseen problems that arise, there are often many ways to handle it but they don't involve just shooting off at the hip. Suppressive fire can take many forms but the men with experience and rank determine the logistics in tight situations.
Here we have a situation where one guy is taking some tricky fire. I think we would have put him at risk and acted irresponsibly to just shoot off at the hip.
I have also been the victim of larger scale extortion. I did not have the luxury of having the help of others but it would have made a huge difference to me.
I think if Benz or Sponge really saw an imminent threat, they would make the right play. Benz is one of those experienced guys. Good to let it happen in a controlled way I think.
No, being exposed wouldn't ruin my life. I'm married, but my wife has no libido...My wife gained weight after the kids and lost her sex drive since she hates her body. I've tried for 5-6 years but I got tired of feeling like a perv since I was rejected 99% of the time. This hobby has really helped me keep my sanity.
SpongeBob66
08-12-17, 09:37
My wife gained weight after the kids and lost her sex drive since she hates her body. I've tried for 5-6 years but I got tired of feeling like a perv since I was rejected 99% of the time. This hobby has really helped me keep my sanity.Well said, VisaGod! General society has a warped notion about what this is all about. And the newest puritan crusaders want to relabel everything sexual and commercial as "human trafficking. " What self-serving BS. A more accurate, legitimate and humane label might be "Sex Therapy. " I wish they could walk a mile in my or your shoes!
I'd be the very first person to want to jail those who would exploit children or use force against anyone for sex--or for anything else for that matter. But why a government thinks it has a right to interfere in a private exchange between two willing adults is beyond me. Big Brother should mind it's own damn business, and perhaps recall the days when their pious laws forbade interracial marriage, and homosexuality. Yeah, how enlightened was that?!
Happyone99
08-13-17, 10:45
Well said, VisaGod! General society has a warped notion about what this is all about. And the newest puritan crusaders want to relabel everything sexual and commercial as "human trafficking. " What self-serving BS. A more accurate, legitimate and humane label might be "Sex Therapy. " I wish they could walk a mile in my or your shoes!
I'd be the very first person to want to jail those who would exploit children or use force against anyone for sex--or for anything else for that matter. But why a government thinks it has a right to interfere in a private exchange between two willing adults is beyond me. Big Brother should mind it's own damn business, and perhaps recall the days when their pious laws forbade interracial marriage, and homosexuality. Yeah, how enlightened was that?!Preach on my brother. Truer words have never been spoken.
Mitico7327
08-13-17, 13:58
For me is a choice between doing this or getting a divorce since the wife decided ten years ago she was done having sex, never really was into it really. So being able to do this saved my marriage cause I'm not ready to give up having sex, and I'm not really interested in having a messy affair.
My wife gained weight after the kids and lost her sex drive since she hates her body. I've tried for 5-6 years but I got tired of feeling like a perv since I was rejected 99% of the time. This hobby has really helped me keep my sanity.
SimonPieMan
08-19-17, 11:46
Back in late May, I had inquired about some "servers" to work a bachelor / dinner party for a bunch of respectful, professional, salty old dogs (LOL). Thanks for the responses that provided some good information. As it turns out, the venue has changed for a couple of reasons. After the dinner party, I'm thinking of taking the group to Parkway Tropics. Apparently it has received some decent reviews lately. As a former Grand Rapidian of 30 years, I know Sensations is a waste of time and money. We are also unable to venture to the promised land of Metro Detroit where the sky is the limit. Lansing and Battle Creek are out too. Does Parkway handle groups (15) and do they offer anything special for bachelor parties? Is there another venue / service provider I should consider for possibly a hotel location? If anyone is able to set me up with a dancer (s), I would invite you to the affair and cover your entertainment fees. Please note, I'm trying to do this from Southern Ohio and the date for the party is Saturday, August 26. PMs are fine.
Thanks,
Simon.
P.S. I miss the Red Barn.
Back in late May, I had inquired about some "servers" to work a bachelor / dinner party for a bunch of respectful, professional, salty old dogs (LOL). Thanks for the responses that provided some good information. As it turns out, the venue has changed for a couple of reasons. After the dinner party, I'm thinking of taking the group to Parkway Tropics. Apparently it has received some decent reviews lately. As a former Grand Rapidian of 30 years, I know Sensations is a waste of time and money. We are also unable to venture to the promised land of Metro Detroit where the sky is the limit. Lansing and Battle Creek are out too. Does Parkway handle groups (15) and do they offer anything special for bachelor parties? Is there another venue / service provider I should consider for possibly a hotel location? If anyone is able to set me up with a dancer (s), I would invite you to the affair and cover your entertainment fees. Please note, I'm trying to do this from Southern Ohio and the date for the party is Saturday, August 26. PMs are fine.
Thanks,
Simon.
P.S. I miss the Red Barn.They weare bathing suits. You are not going to see any titties.
I know of a private venue for 100 per hour plus a cash bar $4 per drink or beer and you hire your own dancers.
They weare bathing suits. You are not going to see any titties.
I know of a private venue for 100 per hour plus a cash bar $4 per drink or beer and you hire your own dancers.A private venue? I'm interested. Do they offer take out or is it eat in?
A private venue? I'm interested. Do they offer take out or is it eat in?It's not a speak easy from the 20's. (I'm sure you remember those).
It's a place to rent, bring your own party for 100.00 per hour. Bar offers 4 dollar drinks.
They weare bathing suits. You are not going to see any titties.
Agree. I doubt this is what you are looking for and I am one who gives it good reviews.
Back in late May, I had inquired about some "servers" to work a bachelor / dinner party for a bunch of respectful, professional, salty old dogs (LOL). Thanks for the responses that provided some good information. As it turns out, the venue has changed for a couple of reasons. After the dinner party, I'm thinking of taking the group to Parkway Tropics. Apparently it has received some decent reviews lately. As a former Grand Rapidian of 30 years, I know Sensations is a waste of time and money. We are also unable to venture to the promised land of Metro Detroit where the sky is the limit. Lansing and Battle Creek are out too. Does Parkway handle groups (15) and do they offer anything special for bachelor parties? Is there another venue / service provider I should consider for possibly a hotel location? If anyone is able to set me up with a dancer (s), I would invite you to the affair and cover your entertainment fees. Please note, I'm trying to do this from Southern Ohio and the date for the party is Saturday, August 26. PMs are fine.
Thanks,
Simon.
P.S. I miss the Red Barn.Bachelor parties need titties. Try to get to Lansing or find a private place to hire your own dancers https://www.facebook.com/angel.wildside.
Bachelor parties need titties. Try to get to Lansing or find a private place to hire your own dancers https://www.facebook.com/angel.wildside.I haven't heard of this place before but it sounds nice. Are you aware of the rates for each girl?
I haven't heard of this place before but it sounds nice. Are you aware of the rates for each girl?I've called them and the girl answering the phone said each situation is different. Tell me what you need and I will give you a price.
https://www.facebook.com/angel.wildside
I've called them and the girl answering the phone said each situation is different. Tell me what you need and I will give you a price.
https://www.facebook.com/angel.wildsideWith extras I'd consider it, or if "takeout" was available. Eat in would be nice too.
SimonPieMan
08-21-17, 20:30
I've called them and the girl answering the phone said each situation is different. Tell me what you need and I will give you a price.
https://www.facebook.com/angel.wildsideThanks Benz for the contact. I called and asked for Angel but she was busy. The young lady I spoke with indicated each girl starts at $250 for an hour and a half show. She also quoted the girl (s) will stay longer depending upon the situation. She's texting me some photos. I was also contacted by another SP that could quite possibly pan out.
SP.
Thanks Benz for the contact. I called and asked for Angel but she was busy. The young lady I spoke with indicated each girl starts at $250 for an hour and a half show. She also quoted the girl (s) will stay longer depending upon the situation. She's texting me some photos. I was also contacted by another SP that could quite possibly pan out.
SP. $250 for 1.5hrs plus the cost of a private venu, looks expensive. If you do end up at Parkway. Ask for Love she will help you find the best girls for your friends $10 couch dances.
Tell Love that Benz sent you, it might get you more than a smile.
I'm sure Macatawa's girl Chaos would be a good choice too.
Take One For The Team Guidlines.
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on TinEye.
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: Dont wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 11 : Enjoy your Short stay or Hhr and report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 2).
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on TinEye.
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 11 : Check every room for safety. Hopefully you enjoy your Short Stay or Hhr.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1.
Member #5710
09-05-17, 13:31
http://woodtv.com/2017/09/05/grpd-searching-for-missing-woman-said-to-be-in-danger/
20 year old white chick from Ionia walking on the D around 11 pm Sunday. She could have been headed somewhere but more than likely working.
MrLovaLova1
09-06-17, 08:51
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 2).
Thank you tremendously Benz for this info. I wonder if it would also help to have some sort of master list of providers that are good options for TOFTT? I ain't going to lie it's a little crazy on backpage nowadays trying to figure out who hasn't even been reviewed before. Some of the ads are ridiculous. I know us mongers all of responsibilities outside of this hobby but just a thought. Thanks again for your help.
Thank you tremendously Benz for this info. I wonder if it would also help to have some sort of master list of providers that are good options for TOFTT? I ain't going to lie it's a little crazy on backpage nowadays trying to figure out who hasn't even been reviewed before. Some of the ads are ridiculous. I know us mongers all of responsibilities outside of this hobby but just a thought. Thanks again for your help.I agree. BP is loaded with bull shit providers using multiple ads and fake pics. Providers come and go frequently especially if you include the weekend worriers to the list. They are a rolling moving target
If I were you, I would make a request on backpage advertiser reviews thread that you are going to take one for the team. Give your requirements (big, tall, small) of a provider and ask them to recommend a safe choice that has not been reviewed before.
After the links come in, Hopefully BadBoyFourU will chime in with his expert technical research for real pics and other saftey issues.
She post incall by 28 and kalamazoo goes by lina last numbers are 4270 any info on her would be helpful.
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 2).
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on TinEye.
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 11 : Check every room for safety. Hopefully you enjoy your Short Stay or Hhr.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1.One additional tip is to try all given phone numbers in a Facebook search. You'd be surprised how many providers are tied to Facebook with a listed phone. Now you likely have a real name, a home location, some personal history, etc. To better judge the safety variable. My experience has been that Facebook posters are less likely to be scammers or worse. Unfortunately I can't say better service is also a given. Boybear.
MSOG is something that providers usually don't commit to before the appointment because you just might not click well with them.
If they like you and want you to come back they might bend over forward and backwards.
In most cases, I have drilled them down in negotiations so they will probably want to negotiate the price back up another 20 for the second shot.
Brought it here to leave them reviews guys alone LOL. Concerning them msog thing with provider, from my experience of the ones that do allow me to cum up to four times in one hour if I can, rarely have boyfriends lurking around, might have boyfriend, husband, girlfriends in the parking lot smoking in there car or drive off with there car after confirming from the provider that I was not LE and a safe monger, since I normally look too young when they see me in person LOL and I also tend to get a room with cleaning supplies of the body and mouth available. I always have mouth and body cleaning supplies when I meet a female and it works eighty percent of the time with me, just that it did not work with Amber rose, Kamilia in second time meeting her and a couple of females I picked up on the street too LOL.
Anyhow Benz, hopefully them females you posting about would work out good for them gents of all races, as long as they are a gentle man monger in ways, since the under radar ones I do have, tend to cost me one hundred through one hundred and fifty in the long run because of the cost of the room, other then Barbie of Relaxation that cost me two hundred and fifty with me getting BBBJ, BBFS / UCFS twice for ninety minutes price and her shorting me by fifteen minutes as I couldn't bust the second time because of her begging me to please not cum in her LOL.
PolishTheTurd
09-09-17, 19:35
One additional tip is to try all given phone numbers in a Facebook search. You'd be surprised how many providers are tied to Facebook with a listed phone. Now you likely have a real name, a home location, some personal history, etc. To better judge the safety variable. My experience has been that Facebook posters are less likely to be scammers or worse. Unfortunately I can't say better service is also a given. Boybear.Also add a BP or other site's link if possible.
I just got back from San Diego, been out there for the last 10 days. I just happened to find my way to the Zona Norte of Tijuana. Spent some time at Adelita Bar and Chicago. For about $75 us or $1,300 pesos you can get a room with some of the hottest mexican women I have ever seen! Nothing like that around here, not on backpage, CL, the street, nothin. There is no MSOG, no GFE. It's get in, handle your business and get out. Go back to the club, drink and then pick out anther and do it all over again. On backpage however, for $300 pesos you can get girls for an hour, not as hot though. But you got to know how to speak the language, deal with the emailing, or manage the phone calls, most of which use whatsapp. It's mostly a hassle to go about it like that unless you're fluent in spanish. Going to the clubs and picking out what you like is the way to go. It's like a buffet.
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 3).
Thank you for your input BoyBear and Polish the Turd.
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on TinEye.
1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching. (Thanks BoyBear).
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Check every room for safety.
Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing. (Thanks Polish The Turd).
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1.
PolishTheTurd
09-10-17, 18:54
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 3).
Thank you for your input BoyBear and Polish the Turd.
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on TinEye.
1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching. (Thanks BoyBear).
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Check every room for safety.
Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing. (Thanks Polish The Turd).
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1.No, thank you Benz1. Members on here like you make this forum a success. Hopefully, you saved a monger some trouble by posting that list. I am sure you helped someone out. I am on here everyday reading the posts through out the state. If I ever want to try out a new venue for mongering MP or SW picks, etc. I have some valuable information to help me start out.
What's up with BP? No posts after 9/14/17, other than the front page.
I'm thinking the girls who don't use the 'coins' aren't showing up after they are dropped from the front.
Anybody?
What's up with BP? No posts after 9/14/17, other than the front page.
I'm thinking the girls who don't use the 'coins' aren't showing up after they are dropped from the front.
Anybody?You are correct Girls1
Bitcoin pain, many of them don't have cards to purchase the bitcoin
This is a perfect opportunity to get the good ones signed up with USA, it is currently free to join
I sent The New Crystal an application and she is now a member.
Let's help them become a member and it will help us too.
Copy and paste to your favorite drug free providers
http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/Instructions/Registration.html
Yea, a provider told me about that yesterday. I'd imagine some of them are basically done now because they won't have the means or savy to purchase bitcoin. This explains why I have one suddenly texting me with offers when I haven't contacted her in ages.
You are correct Girls1
Bitcoin pain, many of them don't have cards to purchase the bitcoin
This is a perfect opportunity to get the good ones signed up with USA.
I sent The New Crystal an application and she is now a member.
Let's help them become a member and it will help us too.
Copy and paste to your favorite drug free providers
http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/Instructions/Registration.html
Yea, a provider told me about that yesterday. I'd imagine some of them are basically done now because they won't have the means or savy to purchase bitcoin. This explains why I have one suddenly texting me with offers when I haven't contacted her in ages.If they can't figure out how to buy bitcoins, we will have more street walkers in the very near future.
I checked it out and really it's simple. The ones with no bank accounts (I know some that actually have bank accounts) simply buy a Visa gift card and load it on the BP bitcoin page. They don't have to join a bitcoin exchange or anything.
I see more posting now so I'd say they've figured it out.
If they can't figure out how to buy bitcoins, we will have more street walkers in the very near future.
Stroker417
09-18-17, 11:07
I checked it out and really it's simple. The ones with no bank accounts (I know some that actually have bank accounts) simply buy a Visa gift card and load it on the BP bitcoin page. They don't have to join a bitcoin exchange or anything.
I see more posting now so I'd say they've figured it out.Or we'll find more of them on Craigslist.
I think that, yes, some will resort to both the street and / or Craig's list. The big problem for them though with that route is NO reviews that way.
A lot of guys won't see a girl who hasn't been reviewed fearing either a bad appt. , mugging / ripoff, or LEO.
Time will tell, but I'm assuming that most will soon 'figure it out' in regards to the coins.
Or we'll find more of them on Craigslist.
Piemaster posted this in the Ann Arbor forum, and I was wondering about it myself. Anybody with any thoughts on how this could bite us in the ass? I still maintain that just because someone 'visits' a site (I. E. Fb, BP, etc.), or even messages someone and / or texts someone, that doesn't mean that they actually do anything that they shouldn't. Internet is free speech, and we're all just 'dreaming' about actual visits anyway, right?
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Social Media Required.
Gentlemen,
I would like to discuss this new social media requirement the girls have, and take a moment for all to reflect the increased risks involved.
I know as a fact Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram all have backdoors Uncle LEO gets into in order to find and identify people, including seeing conversations and links from other website and pages said person visited. Any and all websites that have a link with such report back and log IP addresses. If you have none of the above you have less to worry about as the IP log isn't tied to an account or phone number. Unless you are visiting all these sites and BP with a proxy or VPN you don't eliminate identification with a simple request to your ISP. That isn't even need most of the time as location of an IP is gainable without in many instances. And then Uncle will come knocking.
Today, a "girl" asked me to send her one of the above accounts to "verify" I am a real person. I have no doubt in my mind it was my Uncle LEO trying to trick me again. If you want to know who, I'll send the link or phone number in a PM.
I would like as a result of this post for us to collectively post alternative sites to find our girls; it has become too risky now as they can straight identify.
Piemaster.
I totally agree with Girls1.
Piemaster has an interesting theory but I don't believe LE has the time and resources to follow and trap us for soliciting sex. LE does put alot of resources into finding drug dealers and trapping them. They could also get a good well known provider to set up drug dealers like Natalie / Bell in Kazoo. Bell was a member of this forum that posted LE's offer right on the Kalamazoo forum. They wanted her to help bust drug dealers. She informed us that she would not take their deal of eliminating charges in exchange for setting people up.
Drugs and underage girls is were LE is focused, our members are at risk everytime we enter a room where drugs or under age girls are being or sold.
If we are going to stay out of the dragnet or snare of LE, we all need to be more observant of our surroundings and report them on USASEXGUIDE for all our members benifit.
Our safety is the reason this forum exsits.
Amaregraeco
09-24-17, 12:19
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Lakeshore1
09-27-17, 11:17
Does anyone know of a girl / woman who may give topless haircuts?
Does anyone know of a girl / woman who may give topless haircuts?I know an old barber who'll take his shirt off. Not a pretty site but ya get a great haircut!
Try Slim Tori. The one with her store next to the Dentist on Kalamazoo or Breton. I am sure someone has her digits. She is a masseuse and haircut specialist.
I know an old barber who'll take his shirt off. Not a pretty site but ya get a great haircut!
Lakeshore1
09-28-17, 09:06
Try Slim Tori. The one with her store next to the Dentist on Kalamazoo or Breton. I am sure someone has her digits. She is a masseuse and haircut specialist.Sweet. I'd love to get her contact info.
Benz suggests taking this topic here so let's get started. I admit that I hate to negotiate so with escorts I will simply hangup or quit testing if they ask for more than I would consider. At a MP I also don't negotiate but I also don't make the girl guess how much tip I'm good for. I have had a several good appointments ruined by upsell and dickering. I usually go to MBD where they have clear tip jars where it is evident what you place there. I have had good experiences by putting my tip in the jar before the provider even enters the room. Everyone then knows what I expect and the provider knows what she will get. The contingency, at that point, is not whether I will tip but whether I will repeat. I respect Benz's point of view that the tip should only be paid after the service is complete, however, when you know the provider and the likely service, it seems only fair to put out what you will give so the provider knows how serious you are and will not try to upsell. At least that has been my experience.
Benz suggests taking this topic here so let's get started. I admit that I hate to negotiate so with escorts I will simply hangup or quit testing if they ask for more than I would consider. At a MP I also don't negotiate but I also don't make the girl guess how much tip I'm good for. I have had a several good appointments ruined by upsell and dickering. I usually go to MBD where they have clear tip jars where it is evident what you place there. I have had good experiences by putting my tip in the jar before the provider even enters the room. Everyone then knows what I expect and the provider knows what she will get. The contingency, at that point, is not whether I will tip but whether I will repeat. I respect Benz's point of view that the tip should only be paid after the service is complete, however, when you know the provider and the likely service, it seems only fair to put out what you will give so the provider knows how serious you are and will not try to upsell. At least that has been my experience.Sounds like a good experience. Not all of us have those girls we can go and trust. We all know that service and attitude can change with each visit. We get stuck on the table with our dick in their hand and they start negotiating, that's when you have to start thinking with your big head, how much is this worth? Some of the massage parlors and girls have decided that paying early ends the negotiations but it also can lead to rip off. If you paid for a half hour and only get 15 minutes that's a rip-off, did she steal your money or did you gave it to her too early? There is no accountability for their massage or Happy Endings, if you tip early. The only true accountability is on usasexguide reviews and if they don't read this forum the majority of mongers will get ripped off, when they tip early. So how do we end GPS in the massage parlors? It's easy, keep your money in your pocket until the services are done. How do we end GPS for escorts? That's easy too. They will give you the price before you arrive, if you don't like the price hang up. Learn how to walk out the door on an upsell, think with the big head.
No GPS for me!
Sounds like a good experience. Not all of us have those girls we can go and trust. We all know that service and attitude can change with each visit. We get stuck on the table with our dick in their hand and they start negotiating, that's when you have to start thinking with your big head, how much is this worth? Some of the massage parlors and girls have decided that paying early ends the negotiations but it also can lead to rip off. If you paid for a half hour and only get 15 minutes that's a rip-off, did she steal your money or did you gave it to her too early? There is no accountability for their massage or Happy Endings, if you tip early. The only true accountability is on usasexguide reviews and if they don't read this forum the majority of mongers will get ripped off, when they tip early. So how do we end GPS in the massage parlors? It's easy, keep your money in your pocket until the services are done. How do we end GPS for escorts? That's easy too. They will give you the price before you arrive, if you don't like the price hang up. Learn how to walk out the door on an upsell, think with the big head.
No GPS for me!I think Benz and I are in general agreement. I never pay much less tip an escort until the show is over. MPs, however, are a little different inasmuch as most require an upfront payment leaving the gratuity as the only discretionary item. I choose to be a repeat customer at most MPs so I know what I am getting and they know me. Accordingly, I choose to offer the tip before the performance. Probably not for everyone but works for me. When I am at my Florida place I have learned that I must negotiate a bit, particularly with escorts. Many Florida escorts will start the bidding at $150/ hhr and $250/ hr but will always drop to more reasonable rates when I threaten to hangup. In general I urge our brothers to heed the advice of Benz as he is usually correct on these matters. You may consider me an outlyer who experience and preferences may not match yours. Hobby hard but hobby safe.
Otto22.
GweedoMumford
10-05-17, 13:48
Benz suggests taking this topic here so let's get started. I admit that I hate to negotiate so with escorts I will simply hangup or quit testing if they ask for more than I would consider. At a MP I also don't negotiate but I also don't make the girl guess how much tip I'm good for. I have had a several good appointments ruined by upsell and dickering. I usually go to MBD where they have clear tip jars where it is evident what you place there. I have had good experiences by putting my tip in the jar before the provider even enters the room. Everyone then knows what I expect and the provider knows what she will get. The contingency, at that point, is not whether I will tip but whether I will repeat. I respect Benz's point of view that the tip should only be paid after the service is complete, however, when you know the provider and the likely service, it seems only fair to put out what you will give so the provider knows how serious you are and will not try to upsell. At least that has been my experience.I do put the tip out up front and have had 50/50 results. Clearly I find out the hard way where "Not" to go back to. But it is a pita, and cost me $ I could have spent elsewhere productively I. E. Trista. Now that was a terrible experience, and I should have known better. I enjoy trying something new, but it can be risky when you lay cash down b / f service. I have my own personality demon of having a hard time walking away or confronting the situation while I am in the middle of the situation I. E. Not making a seen. I have been at this for a long time, I should learn by now. I need to take more of a Benz outlook on this, but it is difficult.
Sweet. I'd love to get her contact info.Slim Tori has fantastic legs! I have not tried a haircut with her so thanks TOFTT. For a couple $$ you can move to her table & enjoy much more. Be punctual when you meet. Message me & I will give her digits.
I do put the tip out up front and have had 50/50 results. Clearly I find out the hard way where "Not" to go back to. But it is a pita, and cost me $ I could have spent elsewhere productively I. E. Trista. Now that was a terrible experience, and I should have known better. I enjoy trying something new, but it can be risky when you lay cash down b / f service. I have my own personality demon of having a hard time walking away or confronting the situation while I am in the middle of the situation I. E. Not making a seen. I have been at this for a long time, I should learn by now. I need to take more of a Benz outlook on this, but it is difficult.You have to be ready to walk out with no ending or do it yourself. If the massage was too short or she didn't give the massage I was asking for then I know I'm not coming back anyway. When it comes to the ending, I tell her 20 she says 40 and I say I can just do it myself, by the 4th stroke she is usually doing it for 20. If she ends up watching me that's ok too, saved me 20 bucks, it would have been very mechanical anyway.
The GPS is literally in your hands.
Good luck on your next adventure and please report back on the out come.
Happy Hobbying and stay safe.
GweedoMumford
10-06-17, 08:49
I must be missing something with the search function.
Can you search GR forums only, all I get is all US forums. It takes forever to weed through, looking for GR provider specific info.
Be in a specific GR forum, like Backpage Advertisers, then hit "search thread"
I must be missing something with the search function.
Can you search GR forums only, all I get is all US forums. It takes forever to weed through, looking for GR provider specific info..
GweedoMumford
10-06-17, 13:29
Be in a specific GR forum, like Backpage Advertisers, then hit "search thread"
.I understand. I AM using an android phone.
Does not seem to work well for searches? Still shows from any city USA with the search criteria. I was searching for lacey. It showed all info from all cities.
Can someone with sugarbaby experience pm me some info. On that whole thing please? I have no idea what rate vs. Arrangement is even par for that.
Thanks!
Can someone with sugarbaby experience pm me some info. On that whole thing please? I have no idea what rate vs. Arrangement is even par for that.Short answer: It's extremely variable. I've had everything from 75 for an hour at my place, to 400 overnight. And I almost always spend a bit more by buying dinner, or a gift of some kind, or taking her shopping.
Here's a much longer discussion, which I posted a while back on another board.
I've been using SA for a couple of years on and off. It's mostly replaced the hobby boards for me, largely because the GR area is so thin with hobby providers anyway.
The time investment is certainly higher on SA in my experience. I go through a search a couple of times a week, send messages to maybe 5-10 girls, and if I'm lucky 2 of them reply. Then it's back-and-forth chatting, can last hours or days depending on the girl. I generally try to talk them into a get-to-know-you public meeting (coffee, lunch, something like that) with little or no money involved (usually zero). At that meeting, try to set up a future real date. At any of these stages you might just stop hearing from her, or get a last-minute flake-out. So yeah, a lot of effort and time investment.
The payoff is that once you get a good one, they're *really* good. Right now I've got two: a 28 year old nurse, about a 6 in looks but 10+ in the sack; and a 25 year old teacher who is about an 8 in looks and 7 in bed...but I'm training her :). Don't want to post specific amounts, but we spend entire dates including several hours of playtime for what I'd spend on a half-hour traditional hobby appt. Last year, there was a 20 year old student that I saw for nearly 9 months before she moved away. It takes work and you'll run into lots of dead ends on the way, but when you eventually hit the jackpot you're going to love it.
You do run across more traditional arrangements. A couple of months ago I saw two different Asian girls...one Korean, one Vietnamese...who were basically just using SA as an alternative to Backpage. (I'm sure there's plenty of non-Asians doing the same...these are just the ones that caught my eye.) Those were fine appts, but neither was good enough that I wanted to go back. I mentioned this and other hobby boards to both of them, by the way, but far as I know they didn't follow up.
And as with any hobbying method, you run into scammers. Mostly you can avoid these simply by not ever putting up any money before you meet in person. Occasionally you'll get girls who ask for significant payments on a first date with no physical stuff...I avoid those, too. Maybe some of them are legit but most won't be. And then occasionally you get real pros who actually get you close to the actual deed...I had a couple of real hotties come out to my place and do a lot of flirting, saying all the right things, only to dash on me once I let my guard down. In retrospect the warning signs were all there, but the little head was in charge. That's the only real problem I've ever had, though. Keep your head in the game, same as you would with anyone from the Internet at large, and you'll be fine.
Overall, I'm very happy with SA as a hobbying method. I'm willing to spend the time and put up with the dead ends to get to the occasional real gem. I understand that's not what everyone is looking for, but for me it works great.(I know you said PM, but I figure others probably have the same question. Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.).
Very helpful. Thank you!
Short answer: It's extremely variable. I've had everything from 75 for an hour at my place, to 400 overnight. And I almost always spend a bit more by buying dinner, or a gift of some kind, or taking her shopping.
Here's a much longer discussion, which I posted a while back on another board.
(I know you said PM, but I figure others probably have the same question. Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.).
RwingPplay
10-06-17, 18:35
Short answer: It's extremely variable. I've had everything from 75 for an hour at my place, to 400 overnight. And I almost always spend a bit more by buying dinner, or a gift of some kind, or taking her shopping.
Here's a much longer discussion, which I posted a while back on another board.
(I know you said PM, but I figure others probably have the same question. Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.).Excuse my ignorance, but what is SA?
Mike Yepthatsm
10-06-17, 18:52
Seeking arrangements.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is SA?
Amaregraeco
10-07-17, 08:26
For those that have the the wherewithal (time, money, patience, willingness to cultivate / train and the means) to undertake the SA side of hobbying, it is indeed richly rewarding. It take real work and most don't pan out like you want or hope. But when you do eventually find your first compatible and sustainable arrangement, jackpot! When you find your second, you will kick yourself for not having started earlier. I took the plunge.
M Yepthatem. Much thanks for the help and advice.
LandRover20
10-07-17, 10:21
For those that have the the wherewithal (time, money, patience, willingness to cultivate / train and the means) to undertake the SA side of hobbying, it is indeed richly rewarding. It take real work and most don't pan out like you want or hope. But when you do eventually find your first compatible and sustainable arrangement, jackpot! When you find your second, you will kick yourself for not having started earlier. I took the plunge.
M Yepthatem. Much thanks for the help and advice.What kind of monthly budget should one expect for a worthwhile arrangement? Feel free to PM me.
Mike Yepthatsm
10-07-17, 10:22
For those who are interested in trying SA I would suggest looking at the Richmond Virginia section of this website. Everything you need to know about SA has been discussed there.
For those that have the the wherewithal (time, money, patience, willingness to cultivate / train and the means) to undertake the SA side of hobbying, it is indeed richly rewarding. It take real work and most don't pan out like you want or hope. But when you do eventually find your first compatible and sustainable arrangement, jackpot! When you find your second, you will kick yourself for not having started earlier. I took the plunge.
M Yepthatem. Much thanks for the help and advice.
I understand. I AM using an android phone.
Does not seem to work well for searches? Still shows from any city USA with the search criteria. I was searching for lacey. It showed all info from all cities.That's the way it works, keep scrolling until you see a Grand Rapids post.
That is why I encourage our good long term providers to use two names when they register on this forum. http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/Instructions/Registration.html.
Using two names allows the search nation wide to be much easier, If a girl is traveling or moving like NoNonsensenceLady, when she moved to San Diego and took all her reviews with her. It works for mongers scrolling her name in California to be able to see her reviews in Michigan.
The search works well, but not for someone searching for a Lacey, way too many of them. If she named herself Leather N Lacey, you would probably find what you're searching for.
FineByMe72
10-07-17, 17:34
Ah, NNL, now there was a provider. . . And a sweet gal. I miss her and hope to see her in San Diego the next time I'm there.
That's the way it works, keep scrolling until you see a Grand Rapids post.
That is why I encourage our good long term providers to use two names when they register on this forum. http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/Instructions/Registration.html.
Using two names allows the search nation wide to be much easier, If a girl is traveling or moving like NoNonsensenceLady, when she moved to San Diego and took all her reviews with her. It works for mongers scrolling her name in California to be able to see her reviews in Michigan.
The search works well, but not for someone searching for a Lacey, way too many of them. If she named herself Leather N Lacey, you would probably find what you're searching for.
Ah, NNL, now there was a provider. . . And a sweet gal. I miss her and hope to see her in San Diego the next time I'm there.It would be nice to see her again.
Maybe she'll cum for a visit again this Thanksgiving, like two years ago.
FineByMe can pick up the air fare and I'll get the hotel room for the first week.
NoNonsenseLady
10-10-17, 20:12
It would be nice to see her again.Thanks for thinking of me, you guys! I won't make it for Thanksgiving but I do hope to visit again whenever I can! Stay safe there, boys, and contact me whenever you are in Southern California!
MrLovaLova1
10-12-17, 08:30
Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".
Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"He definitely got you there with that zinger NJ lolololol.
It would be nice to see her again.
Maybe she'll cum for a visit again this Thanksgiving, like two years ago.
FineByMe can pick up the air fare and I'll get the hotel room for the first week.Fun gal, easy setup, makes you feel at ease, everything someone would want from a provider. That said I didn't care for her, I think it was because she was good and she knew it but didn't have the looks or body to go with it, just my 2 cents!
ChipCharger
10-14-17, 13:13
Has anyone noticed that especially since the BP changes many of the providers no longer have much if any history when you do a phone number search? I'm wondering about that.
Has anyone noticed that especially since the BP changes many of the providers no longer have much if any history when you do a phone number search? I'm wondering about that.They all started talking about the BP changes, then started helping each other get bit coins and creating new FB pages, during that time they probably exchanged phone app info also. They're all linked on their real FB pages so why not share security info too?
Just my thoughts.
Stayn Safe.
AirPilot69
10-17-17, 17:42
She was stripping dropped at Collicium ghosted.
Went by Jones anyone know where she may be at.
She told me, Jessica Jones what a sweet lady.
She had partner but never got with her.
She wasn't prejudice at all she love me.
Can anyone tell me where to find her.
Maybe too many Mongers have told too many Chicas / Providers about this Forum. Makes for more drama than it does benefits. Just' one Monger's opinion.
NJ.
Maybe too many Mongers have told too many Chicas / Providers about this Forum. Makes for more drama than it does benefits. Just' one Monger's opinion.
NJ.One bad apple. You could be right and I might have been a little harsh but I spoke the truth and if that upsets them then most will quietly adjust. Like Kandi reading the reviews, she increased her menu to become a better provider for Grand Rapids. I think that's the way it works most of the time and that's why I inform them that they are being held accountable by members of this site.
Wierd thing is TheNewCrystal was never told she wasn't good. Just not 200 good. Then she blows a gasket instead of us. LOL.
What happened is that we quit calling after she changed her rules. Everything Covered (new bf) in my mind that changes the price. Reality is. I won't go.
I do have another one in the hopper, medium bbw with double D's and kinky Blonde hair. Good attitude, GFE, MSOG, bbbjtcim (spit) was ok. It was her first time for BBBJCIM, she aims to improve and wants to make us happy. I was her first prostrate massage. It was ookkaayy without lube. But she is going to buy some soon. She is still getting her menu together and it will eventually include pegging, she likes that shit. (No Pun intended) She takes direction well and has a Southern Bell Accent.
Of course she's parinod about LE and saftey. She will need a password to get her started in the biz.
Hopefully she becomes a good provider for Grand Rapids and reads the reviews to improve, Sorry if one brought in some Drama, my apologies.
Happy Hunting.
MrLovaLova1
10-19-17, 13:39
Maybe too many Mongers have told too many Chicas / Providers about this Forum. Makes for more drama than it does benefits. Just' one Monger's opinion.
NJ.I loathe the fact we can't talk freely amongst ourselves without some of these ladies getting their panties jammed up their ass. Hey if I like a service I'm going to talk about it amongst my peers, even more so if I don't like the service to warn my compadres!
These ladies got to stop being butt hurt about an opinion, it's just someone's thoughts geesh!! I refuse to give any provider business with an attitude, especially one that posts her attitude on this forum. Ex-nay on the new crystal aye!
I loathe the fact we can't talk freely amongst ourselves without some of these ladies getting their panties jammed up their ass. Hey if I like a service I'm going to talk about it amongst my peers, even more so if I don't like the service to warn my compadres!
These ladies got to stop being butt hurt about an opinion, it's just someone's thoughts geesh!! I refuse to give any provider business with an attitude, especially one that posts her attitude on this forum. Ex-nay on the new crystal aye!I always Speak Freely, That's what got TheNewCrystal's panties in a bunch. If you look at her post on BP advertiser reviews you will see that she searched back to page 48 last night. I think she has had too much time on her hands with her new menu of everything covered.
I always speak my mind but I don't call names or degrade anyone. Speaking the truth doesn't mean we need to call anyone names like Metro Rider and Trump do. I think both of them are stuck in Middle School.
TheNewCrystal is the first one to blow a gasket in awhile, the last one I remember was an A. A. Girl named Val. The complaints were the same as TheNewCrystal. Her rates were too high for her, her reaction was exactly the same, LOL. Proof they all think the same. Val has contacted me on PM recently, I asked her menu and prices, then I told her politely she can't get those rates in GR for her service and I won't see you, she disappeared quietly. She learned her lesson the first and didn't want to be laughed at again. Val came back with a new name as I'm sure TheNewCrystal will have to do too.
This is our board, if they want to read what we write it should help them to see what we want and improve their talent and menu. It works most of the time unless we are calling them names, If we are calling them names that's all they will see and they won't want to improve. After reading all the responses including one from A2, I believe TheNewCrystal will be the example to our providers of what not to do on this board.
There is no reason to disrespect anyone. Just tell the facts and always include IMO where it applies and we should all learn from each other.
Happy Hunting.
IrishGuy77
10-19-17, 15:55
While I'm new to posting, I've read posts here for years. Over the years I've seen Mercedes, Jazzy, Anna, and finally Kandi! I think this is great to see what others experience. We all have our own preferences on what we like and don't. It's tricky sometimes figuring out who's real and who's not with providers, that's why I joined to help with that. Have really enjoyed some providers, some not so much. Really have enjoyed the posts here, and hope everyone has fun and stays safe!
I always Speak Freely, That's what got TheNewCrystal's panties in a bunch. If you look at her post on BP advertiser reviews you will see that she searched back to page 48 last night. I think she has had too much time on her hands with her new menu of everything covered.
I always speak my mind but I don't call names or degrade anyone. Speaking the truth doesn't mean we need to call anyone names like Metro Rider and Trump do. I think both of them are stuck in Middle School.
TheNewCrystal is the first one to blow a gasket in awhile, the last one I remember was an A. A. Girl named Val. The complaints were the same as TheNewCrystal. Her rates were too high for her, her reaction was exactly the same, LOL. Proof they all think the same. Val has contacted me on PM recently, I asked her menu and prices, then I told her politely she can't get those rates in GR for her service and I won't see you, she disappeared quietly. She learned her lesson the first and didn't want to be laughed at again. Val came back with a new name as I'm sure TheNewCrystal will have to do too.
This is our board, if they want to read what we write it should help them to see what we want and improve their talent and menu. It works most of the time unless we are calling them names, If we are calling them names that's all they will see and they won't want to improve. After reading all the responses including one from A2, I believe TheNewCrystal will be the example to our providers of what not to do on this board.
There is no reason to disrespect anyone. Just tell the facts and always include IMO where it applies and we should all learn from each other.
Happy Hunting.Well said, Brother Benz.
Looking for a suggestion on a petite or on the small side. Face looks not important. Pickin seems slim these days.
Ivy or Ava are the only petite that come to mind. Ava advertises here on usasg. Ivy is on BP daily.
Looking for a suggestion on a petite or on the small side. Face looks not important. Pickin seems slim these days..
StripperTipper
10-20-17, 22:28
Bridget the Midget comes to mind. I'm not interested in a small lady who looks so young that she could pass for a child.
At some point I would like to scratch this off my bucket list. Unfortunately I don't know of any in the midwest. Fortunately for me, I am a member of this fine forum with all these great minds and vast resources. Do any of you have any suggestions? I'm even willing to travel to make this happen.
ST.
Sex dolls. Better than real pussy? No GPS, no drama, no scheduling problems, no bullshit. Just pure sex! Get your rocks off and just leave happy. And we make the unreported under the table tax-free money. Who's with me?
http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/10/20/german-bordoll-begs-the-question-dont-real-men-want-more-than-just-plastic/
Sex dolls. Better than real pussy? No GPS, no drama, no scheduling problems, no bullshit. Just pure sex! Get your rocks off and just leave happy. And we make the unreported under the table tax-free money. Who's with me?
http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/10/20/german-bordoll-begs-the-question-dont-real-men-want-more-than-just-plastic/Well, this is an unexpected offer!
Thank you, yet I will pass. Forever.
At your convenience, sir.
At your convenience, sir.Sorry, had to clear out all the Crystal Bull Shit.
Plenty of room now.
DuckBilled
10-21-17, 14:30
Sex dolls. Better than real pussy? No GPS, no drama, no scheduling problems, no bullshit. Just pure sex! Get your rocks off and just leave happy. And we make the unreported under the table tax-free money. Who's with me?
http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/10/20/german-bordoll-begs-the-question-dont-real-men-want-more-than-just-plastic/Who gets the decidedly unpleasant task of cleaning the dolls between customers?
I was wondering if you ever get tested and if you do how often?
I took a test about 6 months ago and came back clean. It was a take home test.
Just curious as to what everyone else does.
ChipCharger
10-26-17, 16:08
I was wondering if you ever get tested and if you do how often?
I took a test about 6 months ago and came back clean. It was a take home test.
Just curious as to what everyone else does.I get them every 6 months in one of 2 ways.
1) Google sti testing. Lots of local labs. You do have to pay by card. Just call, pay, and go into the local lab and provide the samples there. You get a report by email within 24-48 hours.
2) I have one with a yearly check up with my Dr. When regular bloodworm is done.
Belkinator
10-26-17, 17:31
I was wondering if you ever get tested and if you do how often?
I took a test about 6 months ago and came back clean. It was a take home test.
Just curious as to what everyone else does.I always get tested at the Department of Public Health every 6 months. The fee depend on your income and results take about a week.
ChipCharger.
Please Empty your mailbox.
ChipCharger
11-01-17, 08:50
ChipCharger.
Please Empty your mailbox.Thanks. Done.
Stroker417
11-06-17, 17:33
Maybe this should go in the pugilistic section. I thought this forum was for the exchange of information. I sent a PM to another fellow (won't name names) with a question asking some specifics about a Nuru provider who he had seen. I got a reply back stating I would have to ask her that question when I saw her and to see her ad on BP. Duh, how helpful is that?
This is the first time I have ever had a reply back like that. Other mongers have always been very helpful in providing answers and vice versa. The whole idea of this forum is to know before you go what a provider will do or won't do so you're not disappointed or am I mistaken?
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Stroker is correct. That's how it's supposed to work, especially via PMs. Help a Brutha Monger out!
Moonglow913
11-07-17, 09:38
Maybe this should go in the pugilistic section. I thought this forum was for the exchange of information. I sent a PM to another fellow (won't name names) with a question asking some specifics about a Nuru provider who he had seen. I got a reply back stating I would have to ask her that question when I saw her and to see her ad on BP. Duh, how helpful is that?
This is the first time I have ever had a reply back like that. Other mongers have always been very helpful in providing answers and vice versa. The whole idea of this forum is to know before you go what a provider will do or won't do so you're not disappointed or am I mistaken?And although I agree generally that this board is meant to be for the free exchange of info. Circumstances may dictate caution sometimes. If I know the provider could care less then of course I am open and forthcoming with what I experienced. But with your YMMV SP that may require being more careful with whom you share and what info you pass along. I wanted to recently see a well known and reviewed provider who had a rep for a limited menu. I reached out to a number of guys who had posted a review to see if more info was to be had. Their replies were great and I hooked up with said provider. Well, to make a long story short I was successful in expanding her menu to the point that the last time I saw her she mentioned the "perhaps I should bring a condom next time. " I felt it only right to share my good fortunate with those who shared with me and had not been so lucky. Some of the guys I had never talked with before this, nor did I know much about their trustworthiness which proved to be my downfall. One of the guys told the provider what I said (I assume "you did it for him, why not me?" or to just gain favor) and I was out! I don't blame her, I blame myself for not being careful who I talked with. Lesson learned. All I am saying is try not to be too judgmental, perhaps he also got burned at some point and was just being curious.
And although I agree generally that this board is meant to be for the free exchange of info. Circumstances may dictate caution sometimes. If I know the provider could care less then of course I am open and forthcoming with what I experienced. But with your YMMV SP that may require being more careful with whom you share and what info you pass along. I wanted to recently see a well known and reviewed provider who had a rep for a limited menu. I reached out to a number of guys who had posted a review to see if more info was to be had. Their replies were great and I hooked up with said provider. Well, to make a long story short I was successful in expanding her menu to the point that the last time I saw her she mentioned the "perhaps I should bring a condom next time. " I felt it only right to share my good fortunate with those who shared with me and had not been so lucky. Some of the guys I had never talked with before this, nor did I know much about their trustworthiness which proved to be my downfall. One of the guys told the provider what I said (I assume "you did it for him, why not me?" or to just gain favor) and I was out! I don't blame her, I blame myself for not being careful who I talked with. Lesson learned. All I am saying is try not to be too judgmental, perhaps he also got burned at some point and was just being curious.Good points. I tend to agree that using caution in info shared on the site and through Pm keeps your monger experience preserved. There is a fine line between helping fellow mongers and sharing too much info that compromises either you or the SP in question.
MrLovaLova1
11-07-17, 11:22
And although I agree generally that this board is meant to be for the free exchange of info. Circumstances may dictate caution sometimes. If I know the provider could care less then of course I am open and forthcoming with what I experienced. But with your YMMV SP that may require being more careful with whom you share and what info you pass along. I wanted to recently see a well known and reviewed provider who had a rep for a limited menu. I reached out to a number of guys who had posted a review to see if more info was to be had. Their replies were great and I hooked up with said provider. Well, to make a long story short I was successful in expanding her menu to the point that the last time I saw her she mentioned the "perhaps I should bring a condom next time. " I felt it only right to share my good fortunate with those who shared with me and had not been so lucky. Some of the guys I had never talked with before this, nor did I know much about their trustworthiness which proved to be my downfall. One of the guys told the provider what I said (I assume "you did it for him, why not me?" or to just gain favor) and I was out! I don't blame her, I blame myself for not being careful who I talked with. Lesson learned. All I am saying is try not to be too judgmental, perhaps he also got burned at some point and was just being curious.That sucks you lost your perks because another monger has to run their mouth to the sp, shame on that monger! This is another example of YMMV and why I don't really believe a lot of the watered down reviews that say no FS to be had when in reality there is just not to everyone. Keep your spidey senses ripe fellas and be careful what you share and with who to your own detriment at times.
All SPs and AMPs and MPs are YMMV! There is always some Monger getting something more than other Mongers. Could be because of Money, looks, charm or whatever. Sometimes on some days a provider might like Monger X more than Monger Z.
First I'll answer a frequently asked Question. How do you meet these UTR girls? They are usually friends of friends that need money.
This is a friend of Lake Shore Honey's, back in June LSH contacted me to do a 3 sum with her Lesbian girl friend. I was reluctant to rent a room and pay 2 girls but LSH was persistent and said she would do it for free just to so she could have her Lesbian GF in bed all I had to do was rent the room and pay her GF. Now I'm interested, I pay for a room on a Sunday Afternoon, pick both girls up at Lilliana's place. Holy Shit! This Goddess gets in with LSH. I had the time of my life and wanted to repeat but LSH schedule never worked out again. So I've been seeing Lilliana for lunch as a friend and sometimes lover if she needed the money. Lilliana is as sweet as she is beautiful so it is with great reservation and reluctance that I'm posting this UTR. She informed me that she needs more money than I can deliver and she has a GF living with her that is average looking small bbw (similar to LSH) she is not bi or gay so the duo would be semi interactive (kissing and licking top only). I plan to check out the duo soon because her GF has dentures and offers gum jobs with swallow, I just didn't bring enough money with me yesterday.
One pic is Just for Rogerover, showing that she has all of her teeth (butt this one has a perfect ass too). She's 22 yrs and about 5ft. short.
Lillianas pics are almost accurate, she has gained a few lbs, but I like her that way, her black bra in the pic doesn't fit anymore she pops out of it and probably needs money for a new one.
No Short stay rates. 100 hhr, 200 hr. Incall is aviailble between 2 and 9pm weekdays only is in Standale area. Password and digits for seniors only. Outcall is available for a little more money depending on how far.
First I'll answer a frequently asked Question. How do you meet these UTR girls? They are usually friends of friends that need money.
This is a friend of Lake Shore Honey's, back in June LSH contacted me to do a 3 sum with her Lesbian girl friend. I was reluctant to rent a room and pay 2 girls but LSH was persistent and said she would do it for free just to so she could have her Lesbian GF in bed all I had to do was rent the room and pay her GF. Now I'm interested, I pay for a room on a Sunday Afternoon, pick both girls up at Lilliana's place. Holy Shit! This Goddess gets in with LSH. I had the time of my life and wanted to repeat but LSH schedule never worked out again. So I've been seeing Lilliana for lunch as a friend and sometimes lover if she needed the money. Lilliana is as sweet as she is beautiful so it is with great reservation and reluctance that I'm posting this UTR. She informed me that she needs more money than I can deliver and she has a GF living with her that is average looking small bbw (similar to LSH) she is not bi or gay so the duo would be semi interactive (kissing and licking top only). I plan to check out the duo soon because her GF has dentures and offers gum jobs with swallow, I just didn't bring enough money with me yesterday.
One pic is Just for Rogerover, showing that she has all of her teeth (butt this one has a perfect ass too). She's 22 yrs and about 5ft. short.
Lillianas pics are almost accurate, she has gained a few lbs, but I like her that way, her black bra in the pic doesn't fit anymore she pops out of it and probably needs money for a new one.
No Short stay rates. 100 hhr, 200 hr. Incall is aviailble between 2 and 9pm weekdays only is in Standale area. Password and digits for seniors only. Outcall is available for a little more money depending on how far.Well done sir. I'm officially jealous!
Benz1 props! (https://imgur.com/a/NXMlC)
Well done sir. I'm officially jealous!
Benz1 props! (https://imgur.com/a/NXMlC)I can't take credit for finding her, she was delivered to me by another UTR Lake Shore Hunny which happens to be a BBW. But that's how it works. Just be friendly and helpful all the time.
It hasn't been hard to maintain the friendship because she is so laid back, fun and funny,
Happyone99
11-08-17, 11:44
Benz you are a hero and a master. Thanks for the talent you bring here, as well as all your leadership for the board members. Great work.
Benz you are a hero and a master. Thanks for the talent you bring here, as well as all your leadership for the board members. Great work.No need to thank me, as always it is my pleasure.
Happy Hunting everyone.
Moonglow913
11-08-17, 14:18
All SPs and AMPs and MPs are YMMV! There is always some Monger getting something more than other Mongers. Could be because of Money, looks, charm or whatever. Sometimes on some days a provider might like Monger X more than Monger Z.I have yet met a provider who hasn't been willing to go beyond her normal limits under the right circumstances and / or with the right guy. If you click, you click and you are off to the races. I don't worry too much about menu but look for reports that she seems to really enjoy herself, has fun and treats people well. Then as NJ said, I use my money, charm and looks (mostly money. LOL) to convince the lady to throw the rule book out.
Benz1's description is perfect. I'll admit, I really like her posted photos. That little bit of weight gain takes her out of the 200 dinero category for me. But that's my opinion. All in all, what a sweetie. She was a little GFE shy at first, but quickly loosened up. Services were as requested. At 23, and 5' tall, it was almost like being with my best friends baby sister. She's indeed a breath of fresh air with the nice incall, no baby damage, and no "trailer-park".
Appearance and language. I highly recommend but not at 200."
Benzie, ya done good!
Lillianas pics are almost accurate, she has gained a few lbs, but I like her that way, her black bra in the pic doesn't fit anymore she pops out of it and probably needs money for a new one.I don't normally post in other cities I haven't been to (yet), but after seeing her pics I just had to comment that you are one lucky MFer. She's exactly my type based on looks, and if she's got a few brain cells where she can manage a decent conversation, all the better.
I really need to be 20 years younger and single. LOL For now I'll just enjoy knowing that these women are out there and hearing everyone's stories!
NB.
I think I sent digits and password to all seniors that requested.
Sorry if I missed anyone.
Send another message if I missed you.
Happy Hunting.
I think I sent digits and password to all seniors that requested.
Sorry if I missed anyone.
Send another message if I missed you.
Happy Hunting.Sorry ChipCharger, I've sent it 3 times hopefully you got the 3rd. I've had this problem in the past with TeddBear too and I don't know if there are others that's why I'm posting this. If I missed a senior member, request again.
Regular members don't get answered. If you want UTR info please become an active member, take one for the team and become part of the team.
Happy Hunting.
Benz1's description is perfect. I'll admit, I really like her posted photos. That little bit of weight gain takes her out of the 200 dinero category for me. But that's my opinion. All in all, what a sweetie. She was a little GFE shy at first, but quickly loosened up. Services were as requested. At 23, and 5' tall, it was almost like being with my best friends baby sister. She's indeed a breath of fresh air with the nice incall, no baby damage, and no "trailer-park".
Appearance and language. I highly recommend but not at 200."
Benzie, ya done good!Looks like Bloozer was one of the lucky ones.
As I mentioned, she is a Lesbian and needed some extra money right now. And all is taken care of, thanks to Bloozer and a few others.
I will let everyone know when she needs money again.
Happy hunting.
IrishGuy77
11-09-17, 16:59
Up north I have a few I can refer you too. Email if interested.
ChipCharger
11-09-17, 17:08
No problem. Thanks for resending. I appreciate your efforts. I did get the third. Take good care.
Sorry ChipCharger, I've sent it 3 times hopefully you got the 3rd. I've had this problem in the past with TeddBear too and I don't know if there are others that's why I'm posting this. If I missed a senior member, request again.
Regular members don't get answered. If you want UTR info please become an active member, take one for the team and become part of the team.
Happy Hunting.
Looks like Bloozer was one of the lucky ones.
As I mentioned, she is a Lesbian and needed some extra money right now. And all is taken care of, thanks to Bloozer and a few others.
I will let everyone know when she needs money again.
Happy hunting.She gave me no indication that she was all gay. Not that it matters. But are you saying that she is not an on call SP? That's what it reds like. I hope not. I thought we hit it off! Oh well, acting is what acting is I guess?
She gave me no indication that she was all gay. Not that it matters. But are you saying that she is not an on call SP? That's what it reds like. I hope not. I thought we hit it off! Oh well, acting is what acting is I guess?Yes, this is what my original post said.
This is a friend of Lake Shore Honey's, back in June LSH contacted me to do a 3 sum with her Lesbian girl friend. I was reluctant to rent a room and pay 2 girls but LSH was persistent and said she would do it for free just to so she could have her Lesbian GF in bed all I had to do was rent the room and pay her GF. Now I'm interested, I pay for a room on a Sunday Afternoon, pick both girls up at Lilliana's place. Holy Shit! This Goddess gets in with LSH. I had the time of my life and wanted to repeat but LSH schedule never worked out again. So I've been seeing Lilliana for lunch as a friend and sometimes lover if she needed the money. Lilliana is as sweet as she is beautiful so it is with great reservation and reluctance that I'm posting this UTR.
I think you missed the posting because I gave you her digits and password before I posted this on USA. It was weird that her and I were just talking about her meeting Frenz of Benz to help her immediate financial problems. Then I opened up your request for // Is There Anything New To Do in Grand Rapids? It was at that moment that Lilliana said yes I will meet him and she gave me the password at that time. Then I posted the opportunity for others the next day. (utr's don't last long but if treated right, they will come back).
If you still want something new to do, I know another Puerto Rican provider that will see you any day of the week.
Her Name is Summer, tall medium BBW with 38 DD's. Nice sweet girl willing to please and takes direction well. The first time I got a BBBJ from her it was not good. The second BBBJ was with swallow and she is getting better, I complimented her and she said she want's to be the best but it takes practice. I texted her today while I was at Parkway Tropics, she met me in the parking lot and we drove to a better location for an above average BBBJws. She has her own car for outcalls, she has an incall location on the west side but I have never been there.
She has been a provider in the past and is now a UTR looking for a fun, safe good time.
Car Date 40 BJ, SS at her incall 60, hhr80. Prostrate massage is on the menu.
If you are Frenz of Benz and have a password she will text of chat openly about menu and prices. Digits and Password for seniors only.
Hap Hunter
11-11-17, 06:35
Yes, this is what my original post said.
This is a friend of Lake Shore Honey's, back in June LSH contacted me to do a 3 sum with her Lesbian girl friend. I was reluctant to rent a room and pay 2 girls but LSH was persistent and said she would do it for free just to so she could have her Lesbian GF in bed all I had to do was rent the room and pay her GF. Now I'm interested, I pay for a room on a Sunday Afternoon, pick both girls up at Lilliana's place. Holy Shit! This Goddess gets in with LSH. I had the time of my life and wanted to repeat but LSH schedule never worked out again. So I've been seeing Lilliana for lunch as a friend and sometimes lover if she needed the money. Lilliana is as sweet as she is beautiful so it is with great reservation and reluctance that I'm posting this UTR.
I think you missed the posting because I gave you her digits and password before I posted this on USA. It was weird that her and I were just talking about her meeting Frenz of Benz to help her immediate financial problems. Then I opened up your request for // Is There Anything New To Do in Grand Rapids? It was at that moment that Lilliana said yes I will meet him and she gave me the password at that time. Then I posted the opportunity for others the next day. (utr's don't last long but if treated right, they will come back).
If you still want something new to do, I know another Puerto Rican provider that will see you any day of the week.
Her Name is Summer, tall medium BBW with 38 DD's. Nice sweet girl willing to please and takes direction well. The first time I got a BBBJ from her it was not good. The second BBBJ was with swallow and she is getting better, I complimented her and she said she want's to be the best but it takes practice. I texted her today while I was at Parkway Tropics, she met me in the parking lot and we drove to a better location for an above average BBBJws. She has her own car for outcalls, she has an incall location on the west side but I have never been there.
She has been a provider in the past and is now a UTR looking for a fun, safe good time.
Car Date 40 BJ, SS at her incall 60, hhr80. Prostrate massage is on the menu.
If you are Frenz of Benz and have a password she will text of chat openly about menu and prices. Digits and Password for seniors only.Another official TY! Great reports!!
Another official TY! Great reports!!As always our friend Benz has amazing skills on sniffing "UTR" situations.
As always our friend Benz has amazing skills on sniffing "UTR" situations.UTR Ravenna.
Have another one named Autumn, she is a 27 yr old white small bbw in Ravenna, willing to do car dates out of a family home. (discretion is a must).
No incall available at this time. If you want FS you have to bring your own cover.
40 BBBJws, 80 CFS.
The pic on the right is for you RogerOver, she is sporting a full set of teeth but they are fake.
She gave me my first ever gum job and I regret telling her that I wanted more pressure. Popped way too soon.
Takes direction well and is a sweet girl.
Digits and Password for well seniors members only.
Happy hunting
OrdinaryJo
11-16-17, 17:42
UTR Ravenna.
Have another one named Autumn, she is a 27 yr old white small bbw in Ravenna, willing to do car dates out of a family home. (discretion is a must).
No incall available at this time. If you want FS you have to bring your own cover.
40 BBBJws, 80 CFS.
The pic on the right is for you RogerOver, she is sporting a full set of teeth but they are fake.
She gave me my first ever gum job and I regret telling her that I wanted more pressure. Popped way too soon.
Takes direction well and is a sweet girl.
Digits and Password for well seniors members only.
Happy huntingIn those pictures she looks like she could be the sister of Aliese (from Panacea).
UTR Ravenna.
Have another one named Autumn, she is a 27 yr old white small bbw in Ravenna, willing to do car dates out of a family home. (discretion is a must).
No incall available at this time. If you want FS you have to bring your own cover.
40 BBBJws, 80 CFS.
The pic on the right is for you RogerOver, she is sporting a full set of teeth but they are fake.
She gave me my first ever gum job and I regret telling her that I wanted more pressure. Popped way too soon.
Takes direction well and is a sweet girl.
Digits and Password for well seniors members only.
Happy huntingI am very intrigued how one goes about finding a toothless 27 year old that lives out in the sticks? Is this from Cregs list adds (girl seeking man or therapy). I must be using the wrong search terms in Google.
Selina is still my all time favorite! Monster titts and huge sexual appetite! Hmu for email!
I am very intrigued how one goes about finding a toothless 27 year old that lives out in the sticks? Is this from Cregs list adds (girl seeking man or therapy). I must be using the wrong search terms in Google.The mental picture you painted cracked me up. And I agree. How in the heck does he do it. And why the fuck would she be toothless at 27, except maybe a serious meth addict (but of course she'll have a better story than that, some sort of health issue growing up probably).
Stonecoldstan
11-17-17, 07:31
In those pictures she looks like she could be the sister of Aliese (from Panacea).Is aliese still at panacea?
The mental picture you painted cracked me up. And I agree. How in the heck does he do it. And why the fuck would she be toothless at 27, except maybe a serious meth addict (but of course she'll have a better story than that, some sort of health issue growing up probably).You guys are cracking me up too.
She does have a different story, it is believable to me. I'm not going to try to convince anyone. However if a person is using meth to a point where they lose all their teeth, they would have other degenerative facial features as well and I don't think meth heads can afford a full set of dentures.
The pics are accurate and OrdinaryJo commented that she is nice looking and I thought the same thing so the meth theory didn't ad up for me. However her facial features do change when she takes her teeth out, not bad just a little different. At that point most of what I see is the back of her head anyway. Works for me.
Is aliese still at panacea?I believe Aliese works out of her home on the Southside of Holland. I saw her over a month ago for a nice massage.
Damage was $100.00 for the hour, tip of 20 for a total of 120. Massage was wonderful, great ending as well, completely nakes for the start. You can find her ad in the Holland BP massage section.
Happy Hunting All!
Is aliese still at panacea?She works from her home on the southside of Holland.
I saw her about a month ago, great massage, followed by great ending. Total damage was 120. She got completely naked from the start.
Happy Hunting!
Agree, another quality report. We all appreciate your efforts and input.
Another official TY! Great reports!!
Amaregraeco
11-18-17, 17:34
Gentlemen,
I've sought to augment Benz's review form, see below. I've added a fair bit to it in the hopes of stimulating worthwhile substantive discussion among the membership. Why? As others have already pointed out in earlier dialog, the quality, accuracy, and ultimately – the usability of the reviews herein are highly variable, and at times suspect. Me personally? I am typically skeptical of most every newbies first couple of reviews. Why? In a TOFTT situation, you and the provider have no idea what to expect at the door. Generally speaking first time experiences aren't anything to crow about. Next, experience, the halo effect, and the seasoned ability to report objectively on something that is otherwise totally subjective. That takes time and money (because the Hobby ain't cheap), and the willingness (and maturity?) to be dispassionate.
Tastes and personal preferences among the hobbyist membership are vastly different. Is Savage Jenn a "looker"? Face-wise, yes, better than most. Physique-wise? That is subjective and more in the eyes of the beholder (and what they want). Are either of those specific attributes particularly relevant for a provider, when on her game, she is tied for the top spot in giving the best head in West Michigan? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what one is looking for and its importance to them. The challenge is how to objectively quantify and rate / rank the various aspects of a hobbyist's experience in the review so that others can make an informed choice using the reviews as input for their consideration.
Lastly, and I put this to the readership and those that see the potential communal benefit and are willing to weigh in on the matter and respond, I think it might be of benefit for the review form or template to contain a section for the reviewer to generally describe what they were seeking / looking to experience. Looks? Skill? Menu? Attitude? Enthusiasm? That way the readership can get of sense of the similarity between what they are looking for, what the reviewer says he experienced, and the provider's track record of delivery.
Thoughts?
Benz,
A decent idea, maybe worth some additional discussion.
Hobby Name:
Marketing: Advertises_UTR_Arrangement_.
Service Type:
HJ_ CBJ_ BBBJ_ Throats_BLS_CIM_ Swallow_ CFS_ BBFS_ Daty_FIV_Greek_.
Extras: Prostrate massage_ Rim Job_ Pegging_ GFE_ MSOG_Fistable_Enjoys Being Toyed_ .
Rates:
Her Sweet Spot – what is she particularly good / skilled at, if anything:
Apparent Skill Level:
Attitude:
Enthusiasm:
Personality: Friendly_Engaging_Talkative_Chatterbox_Sullen_Shy_Disinterested_Irritated_Can't Wait To Be Done_.
Hygiene:
Taste / smell of pussy Good_ ok_ Bad_.
Showered / shaved.
Breath.
Skin Condition:
Body type / physique:
Recent Accurate Pics?:
Attractiveness – Face:
Attractiveness – Body:
If you know what you are doing, can she enjoy herself?:
Phone Number (s) Used: If multiple numbers, list the most recent first - 7 of 10 digits_.
Email:
Website:
Affiliation, if any: Independent_ Agency_Massage Parlor_Strip Club_.
Hobby Acquaintances or Duo's With?
Age: Posted_ Looks like_.
Ethnicity:
Skin Tone:
Hair color:
Teeth: Missing? Meth teeth_.
Bust size:
Bust Appearance: Boltons_ Full_ Saggy _.
Tattoos:
Piercings: Location_.
Feet: _ Toe sucking_.
Smoker?: _ smoke with client?
Signs Of Substance Use?
Incall: Clean_ Messy_ Smelly_ Risky_.
Repeat at this incall? Repeat with this provider_.
Date of Meeting:
Overall Experience: Comments.
Most Mongers are too lazy to fill out a Masters Thesis length form.
Amaregraeco
11-19-17, 08:46
Most Mongers are too lazy to fill out a Masters Thesis length form.NJ,
Agreed. It's a stretch. Your point holds for even getting a review, no? Still, I think there might be merit in the concept. Care to point out which of them are likely to be the most important to the membership at large? That way it's shorter and more manageable.
- AG.
Autumn utr is not answering her phone because she is out of boost min.
Her vehicle isn't working and she lives in the sticks. She contacted me on a relative's phone and I bought a 10 boost card for her.
I will repost her info when she gets it activated.
On a lark I tried using Secret Benefits a couple of months ago. I am happier, calmer, and safer now that I quit using BP, Craigslist, etc. I have met two wonderful ladies who I now see on a regular basis. These ladies are just as horny as I am! It takes more time and effort initially to establish trust and find out our mutual needs and wants, but it has worked out great for me. If you're looking for more than a "slam bam thank you maam" experience I suggest you give it try.
On a lark I tried using Secret Benefits a couple of months ago. I am happier, calmer, and safer now that I quit using BP, Craigslist, etc. I have met two wonderful ladies who I now see on a regular basis. These ladies are just as horny as I am! It takes more time and effort initially to establish trust and find out our mutual needs and wants, but it has worked out great for me. If you're looking for more than a "slam bam thank you maam" experience I suggest you give it try.Is this similar to Seeking Arrangements? What are you finding the average cost to be? What is the "date"like?
Moonglow913
11-20-17, 09:08
Is this similar to Seeking Arrangements? What are you finding the average cost to be? What is the "date"like?I'll add my two cents. I have been on and off SA for years. As has been stated it requires a bit more work and is a bit more expensive. It all depends on what you "seek". I like the info gained through the profiles and ability to chat with these women before meeting. Pictures are real and you pretty much know what to expect. I have done both allowance and a per date donation. Prefer per date. I tend to hook up with what would be comparable to high end escorts so my costs are higher than you need to go BUT is well worth the effort and money IMHO. Have met and enjoyed some terrific women. As I said, it depends on what you are looking for. Quick hit so to speak ("I am paying them to fuck me and leave") then BP and other escort sites would be best, but if you are looking for a true GFE then these arrangements will deliver. While at the end of the day there really is no difference (pay to play) the women generally don't see it that way. Play along, show respect and it makes a big difference in how you interact, especially in bed!
I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.
Is this similar to Seeking Arrangements? What are you finding the average cost to be? What is the "date"like?
I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.Sounds like you're not married. For those of us that are, we need a quicker date. I'm staying off BP too and have been somewhat successful with my fake FB page. Chatting with Lilliana's mom right now. She's a nice MILF. Something might happen. Like you mentioned, it takes time, they know I'm married so they know I don't have all day to go shopping.
Some FB connections are easier than others. Found this in my message box the other day.
I also heard u might be interested in a lady friend occasionally?? And do u happen to knw anyone looking to get tattooed?? I do them...
On a lark I tried using Secret Benefits a couple of months ago. I am happier, calmer, and safer now that I quit using BP, Craigslist, etc. I have met two wonderful ladies who I now see on a regular basis. These ladies are just as horny as I am! It takes more time and effort initially to establish trust and find out our mutual needs and wants, but it has worked out great for me. If you're looking for more than a "slam bam thank you maam" experience I suggest you give it try.Seems more expensive than seekingarrangements- it looks like at the lowest tier it cost $5. 90 to start a conversation with a girl with no guarantees that she will even respond. On seekingarrangements you pay around 70 a month and for that month you can talk to a thousand girls if you want- also on the android and iPhone app of seekingarrangement you can buy just a week for around 40 dollars. It looks like they have a lot of the same girls as well but also some new ones. Maybe the best is to have membership at both.
Autumn's phone is back on.
Digits and password for senior members.
Has anyone seen Lea Velvet lately? Now that I'm back in the game I'm thinking about seeing her if she's still around. I have her number already but just thought I'd see if anyone has seen her recently before I reach out?
I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.Thanks for the reply. Didn't really answer the cost question though. Do you pay a monthly allowance, an how much typically? Your description of the coming black Friday sounds like between shopping (a few hundred? Lunch ($50) an a room ($100) you might be in the $500 range for a day with a nice lady?
Charlie441
11-21-17, 00:51
it looks like at the lowest tier it cost $5. 90 to start a conversation with a girl with no guarantees that she will even respondYikes. Say standard is $600. Say I have to hit up 3 gals to end up meating 1 (not just meeting). That's $1,800. Quite a fee.
It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.It sounds not like a FWB, but a Sugar Daddy where she does become a real friend if it continues for a while (cha-ching, tho). I wouldn't put that merely as something more expensive than a "60 m visit" to a BP girl for a GFE with 2 pops and chilling in the hotel together. Upon shopping for them & taking them out, do you pay them too at the end (assuming you did a healthy amount of buying stuff for them)? To me, that'd be the deal breaker of consideration if it was anything too significant. If I spent $250 on gifts, $50 on lunch bill, $100 on the room after taxes / fees for an outing -- I wouldn't want to throw down $400 for a couple hours banging. Total: $800 (not counting % of initial website cost to get the ball rolling). I spend half the time shopping For her could be fine for me if executed indirectly, if said cost of shopping just covered an expensive escort experience at a hotel, as the latter would be had as a "thank you".
Basically, I wouldn't want to pay for a Pricey GFE at the mall, then after, have to pay a Pricey GFE in a hotel. BUT, if I was truly rich (not just able to afford it to an extent with budgeting), I guess I wouldn't care so much. .
To start a conversation on Secret Benefits you to have buy credits. I paid $150 into my account with SB for 500 of their conversation credits. I am now regularly fucking two very hot and horny women and I still have around 280 credits in my account. Not a bad deal IMHO.
The arrangement I have with this lady is that I pay for occasional shopping, dining, etc on a per date basis. About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.
I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.
My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.
Yikes. Say standard is $600. Say I have to hit up 3 gals to end up meating 1 (not just meeting). That's $1,800. Quite a fee.
It sounds not like a FWB, but a Sugar Daddy where she does become a real friend if it continues for a while (cha-ching, tho). I wouldn't put that merely as something more expensive than a "60 m visit" to a BP girl for a GFE with 2 pops and chilling in the hotel together. Upon shopping for them & taking them out, do you pay them too at the end (assuming you did a healthy amount of buying stuff for them)? To me, that'd be the deal breaker of consideration if it was anything too significant. If I spent $250 on gifts, $50 on lunch bill, $100 on the room after taxes / fees for an outing -- I wouldn't want to throw down $400 for a couple hours banging. Total: $800 (not counting % of initial website cost to get the ball rolling). I spend half the time shopping For her could be fine for me if executed indirectly, if said cost of shopping just covered an expensive escort experience at a hotel, as the latter would be had as a "thank you".
Basically, I wouldn't want to pay for a Pricey GFE at the mall, then after, have to pay a Pricey GFE in a hotel. BUT, if I was truly rich (not just able to afford it to an extent with budgeting), I guess I wouldn't care so much. .
But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.
To start a conversation on Secret Benefits you to have buy credits. I paid $150 into my account with SB for 500 of their conversation credits. I am now regularly fucking two very hot and horny women and I still have around 280 credits in my account. Not a bad deal IMHO.
The arrangement I have with this lady is that I pay for occasional shopping, dining, etc on a per date basis. About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.
I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.
My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.
But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.Thanks, that helps me understand a bit better. Sounds like a good option for a single guy who either can't get or doesn't want a "real" girlfriend and has quite a bit of cash to burn to still have the girlfriend experience, not just on a sexual level. There is a type of relationship available for every need these days.
But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.I agree. I am on S. A. And have three arrangements. The first gal is a single mom. I help her with groceries and a couple of small bills now and then. We meet bat her place twice a month for three hours of hot sex. The second one is a college age gal. She loves to suck cock. I buy her some of her books each semester. Other than that we meet onece a week for a great blowjob. The third gal is actually married. 29 years old and just wants sex at a hotel or the hot tubs twice a month. She is drop dead gorgeous. Diesntnwant to leave her husband or ruin her marriage. There is no charge at all fie this lady.
Amaregraeco
11-21-17, 13:44
I agree. I am on S. A. And have three arrangements. The first gal is a single mom. I help her with groceries and a couple of small bills now and then. We meet bat her place twice a month for three hours of hot sex. The second one is a college age gal. She loves to suck cock. I buy her some of her books each semester. Other than that we meet onece a week for a great blowjob. The third gal is actually married. 29 years old and just wants sex at a hotel or the hot tubs twice a month. She is drop dead gorgeous. Diesntnwant to leave her husband or ruin her marriage. There is no charge at all fie this lady.Guys,
There is much more to this class of provider than most of us realize at first. It takes a bit of money, and a lot of patience, persistence, and hard work. Most of the ladies are not even what we'd consider UTR. They do not see themselves as providers and are rather uncomfortable at the notion. I am a recent convert to this aspect of the Hobby, although not completely yet. I do not consider myself an expert. Tips and comments from Mike why and a couple others got me curious. General dissatisfaction with risk, yield and cost of regular hobby activities got me looking. There are a LOT of women who are dissatisfied, quasi-interested / curious at how to go about things, and who do not want to "advertise" out of concerns for privacy and perceived stigma. As others point out herein, it isn't just about the cash. It's also about whether you can connect, how you behave and carry yourself and are compatible. If you "click"? Aww hell, it can be a lot of fun!
For every one that advertises, she has a dozen or more acquaintances that do not and are on the fence, curious. It takes work, and ones patience and willingness to work with them, coax them, and satisfy them. If I were to hazard a guess there may be more unsatisfied women in search of something regular and safe with the right guy. The biggest untapped area here is college girls and their working, but disillusioned friends. If you stay informed and are fluent in the trends of social media, it can be one heck of a trip.
Be safe.
Amaregraeco
11-21-17, 19:46
Guys,
There is much more to this class of provider than most of us realize at first. It takes a bit of money, and a lot of patience, persistence, and hard work. Most of the ladies are not even what we'd consider UTR. They do not see themselves as providers and are rather uncomfortable at the notion. I am a recent convert to this aspect of the Hobby, although not completely yet. I do not consider myself an expert. Tips and comments from Mike why and a couple others got me curious. General dissatisfaction with risk, yield and cost of regular hobby activities got me looking. There are a LOT of women who are dissatisfied, quasi-interested / curious at how to go about things, and who do not want to "advertise" out of concerns for privacy and perceived stigma. As others point out herein, it isn't just about the cash. It's also about whether you can connect, how you behave and carry yourself and are compatible. If you "click"? Aww hell, it can be a lot of fun!
For every one that advertises, she has a dozen or more acquaintances that do not and are on the fence, curious. It takes work, and ones patience and willingness to work with them, coax them, and satisfy them. If I were to hazard a guess there may be more unsatisfied women in search of something regular and safe with the right guy. The biggest untapped area here is college girls and their working, but disillusioned friends. If you stay informed and are fluent in the trends of social media, it can be one heck of a trip.
Be safe.Something else worth mentioning here. SA / SB hobby activities are not for most. Yessir, NOT for most of us. Most hobbyists want their fun today, when the mood or urge hits. Waiting for your planned "rendezvous" to happen in a couple of days, or in a week or so may not be your cup of tea. If so, this isn't likely to be much fun. It takes a bit of time and trust before things progress to where an "as needed or requested" feature is available.
Kinda the reason I'm not fully a convert yet.
M. Yepthatsm, Your thoughts. In the ballpark here?
Others care to comment?
Charlie441
11-21-17, 19:55
About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.
I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.
My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.Okay, this makes more sense then. Basically higher-class, more time like a casual dating scenario because it's going to have some grounding to it -- but in the end, you get more Time spent for the $$, and quality sex-time for the $ than just about any high-class provider. It makes financial sense, especially when you find value in role-playing as a guy going out in general with her (related to shopping too of course). I don't find much ROI in certain scenarios of simulating as BF / GF when going out at it leading directly to costs (shopping, etc) -- but hey, if she's hot, cool, and genuinely friendly. I'd rather do that than pay $400 for a 2 hour sex visit with an upscale chick.
Autumn update, she has not responded to me today, I will let you know when her phone is working again.
IrishGuy77
11-22-17, 00:04
Got the privilege of meeting her, and it was easy to setup. She responded back right away. Made me feel like a high schooler again because having fun in the car and not getting caught! Wow those boobs! And a nice booty! 30 minutes for 120 well worth it in my opinion. Benz she's a gem! Hoping to repeat soon.
Okay, this makes more sense then. Basically higher-class, more time like a casual dating scenario because it's going to have some grounding to it -- but in the end, you get more Time spent for the $$, and quality sex-time for the $ than just about any high-class provider. It makes financial sense, especially when you find value in role-playing as a guy going out in general with her (related to shopping too of course). I don't find much ROI in certain scenarios of simulating as BF / GF when going out at it leading directly to costs (shopping, etc) -- but hey, if she's hot, cool, and genuinely friendly. I'd rather do that than pay $400 for a 2 hour sex visit with an upscale chick.Upscale girls on sa are 500 minimum or so per meet LOL. If they do "pay per play" instead of monthly allowance. Normal looking ones anywhere from 200 to 300 depending on your looks and negotiating skills. But a meet is always at least 3-4 hrs so it's just a different thing altogether. I am intrigued about "secret benefits", I've been on sa for may years and talking with one girl slowly at a time on "secret benefits" sounds better than talking to hundreds girls at once because your membership expires in a month and you feel like you have to collect as many numbers as humanely possible to be able to burn thru them later.
Amaregraeco
11-22-17, 06:40
Does the hobby equivalent of trivago exist?
You and I should start one and we could make a ton of money. LOL.
Does the hobby equivalent of trivago exist?
Stroker417
11-22-17, 10:45
Saw Autumn yesterday. She is everything that Benz reported. Very sweet girl with a ala carte menu. And like Irish guy reported it feels like you're back in high school with her and car dates. Contact was through Benz and available to seniors only. Will repeat.
Saw Autumn yesterday. She is everything that Benz reported. Very sweet girl with a ala carte menu. And like Irish guy reported it feels like you're back in high school with her and car dates. Contact was through Benz and available to seniors only. Will repeat.If you haven't made contact with Autumn through her phone yet just hold her info.
Utr's are on and off again and I will let you know when she's on again.
Christmas shopping has a way of creating the need to suck and fuck us again soon.
Thick Latina is working all through the holidays and is living in a nice hotel. I reviewed her in the BP reviews section
Happy Holidays.
Amaregraeco
11-22-17, 20:02
You and I should start one and we could make a ton of money. LOL.I mean seriously. Think about it. What are most hobbyists trying to find? A decent time at a reasonable fee, right? Think about Angie's List, eHarmony, and Trivago, and apply their conceptual niche to this endeavor. You can search for a car, a house, a loan, a meal, and candidate significant others easier than finding a decent time.
Does the hobby equivalent of trivago exist?How's the system you're developing coming along?
I see there's been lots of SA (and similar sites) discussion in the last few days since I was last on. These sugar-dating sites are my main hobbying focus now, have been for a couple of years. Every once in a while I get the urge for something quick and look on BP, but it's getting more and more rare.
It's right in the name: "sugar-DATING". Most of the girls expect to be treated like a date, not just meet in a hotel room for a quickie. You're always going to see the equivalent of BP ads for that sort of thing. On the sugar-dating sites, you need to expect to spend some time getting to know the girl (online messages and in person). They want to be treated like a date, not a hooker.
As for expense, you're always going to be able to find a way to get your nut off quicker and cheaper on BP. No worries if that's what you're after, that's what those girls are there for! For sugar sites, you'll usually need to be willing to invest time as well as money. I've had girls literally message me for months before we finally got together, and once you do meet in person there's the "dating" aspect. I generally end up parting with around 400 on a date, 200-300 to the girl (sometimes direct, sometimes gifts) and 100-200 on food / drinks / event tickets / etc. That can vary by girl, of course, I've gone as high as 800 and as low as 80.
In exchange, you get generally younger and better-looking girls who don't do the jaded professional performance of the average BP provider. They're often inexperienced (particularly compared to us well-traveled mongers) but almost always enthusiastic about the sex once you get to that point. Don't expect a great BJ or Greek or whatever right off the bat, but in my experience performance improves as you go along. Several hours of playtime is common, and overnights happen regularly.
Right now I'm seeing two, a 23 year old nurse and a 22 year old mall salesclerk. In sheer looks, both are better than 75% of the pictures on BP, and thus 99% of the actual BP girls. Neither would look out of place on a college cheerleading squad. Try finding that at any price on BP! I'm doing 250/ week for the 23 yo, instead of a per-meeting amount, because she likes getting together more often. The 22 yo prefers per-meeting and is usually only available a couple times a month, generally give her 400 a visit. Both have spent the night at my place a couple of times as well as shorter get-togethers.
So it really boils down to what you're looking for. Just a quick nut, for the lowest cost, minimal overlap with civilian life? Stay on BP. Got more time to spend, want to avoid the "professional lay" aspect, ok with following up false leads until you get a good one? Sugar sites can have really good rewards.
Amaregraeco
11-22-17, 21:34
How's the system you're developing coming along?Going to partner with Ed Monger <grin .
Well said Gexem! I have way more fun, excitement, safety, etc. With my SB ladies. It takes more time, effort, and money, but the return on investment is well worth it in the long run IMHO.
I see there's been lots of SA (and similar sites) discussion in the last few days since I was last on. These sugar-dating sites are my main hobbying focus now, have been for a couple of years. Every once in a while I get the urge for something quick and look on BP, but it's getting more and more rare.
It's right in the name: "sugar-DATING". Most of the girls expect to be treated like a date, not just meet in a hotel room for a quickie. You're always going to see the equivalent of BP ads for that sort of thing. On the sugar-dating sites, you need to expect to spend some time getting to know the girl (online messages and in person). They want to be treated like a date, not a hooker.
As for expense, you're always going to be able to find a way to get your nut off quicker and cheaper on BP. No worries if that's what you're after, that's what those girls are there for! For sugar sites, you'll usually need to be willing to invest time as well as money. I've had girls literally message me for months before we finally got together, and once you do meet in person there's the "dating" aspect. I generally end up parting with around 400 on a date, 200-300 to the girl (sometimes direct, sometimes gifts) and 100-200 on food / drinks / event tickets / etc. That can vary by girl, of course, I've gone as high as 800 and as low as 80.
In exchange, you get generally younger and better-looking girls who don't do the jaded professional performance of the average BP provider. They're often inexperienced (particularly compared to us well-traveled mongers) but almost always enthusiastic about the sex once you get to that point. Don't expect a great BJ or Greek or whatever right off the bat, but in my experience performance improves as you go along. Several hours of playtime is common, and overnights happen regularly.
Right now I'm seeing two, a 23 year old nurse and a 22 year old mall salesclerk. In sheer looks, both are better than 75% of the pictures on BP, and thus 99% of the actual BP girls. Neither would look out of place on a college cheerleading squad. Try finding that at any price on BP! I'm doing 250/ week for the 23 yo, instead of a per-meeting amount, because she likes getting together more often. The 22 yo prefers per-meeting and is usually only available a couple times a month, generally give her 400 a visit. Both have spent the night at my place a couple of times as well as shorter get-togethers.
So it really boils down to what you're looking for. Just a quick nut, for the lowest cost, minimal overlap with civilian life? Stay on BP. Got more time to spend, want to avoid the "professional lay" aspect, ok with following up false leads until you get a good one? Sugar sites can have really good rewards.
December shopping hit's my monger money pretty hard.
I'm always looking for the BBD (bigger better deal) especially in December. Summer Helps me get over the December monger blues with the best rates in town
I know a Puerto Rican girl on the west side that has a car and will meet you for car dates or direct you to her incall. Her name is Summer.
Summer is a medium BBW with 38 DD's. Nice sweet girl willing to please and takes direction well. The first time I got a BBBJ from her it was not good. The second BBBJ was with swallow and she is getting better, I complimented her and she said she want's to be the best but it takes practice. Above average BBBJws. She has her own car for outcalls, she has an incall location on the west side . (I have not been to her new incall yet)
She has been a provider in the past and is now a UTR looking for a fun, safe good time.
Car Date 40 BJ, SS at her incall 60, hhr80. Prostrate massage is on the menu.
If you are Frenz of Benz and have a password she will text or chat openly about menu and prices. Digits and Password for seniors only.
What's up with the new format on BP?
Most providers have very little info in ad, and the title is their phone #.
In addition, large gaps on each page where the girls post. There will be 6-7 ads (pics), and then a space (or three) where there is no ad posted, before another ad is then posted.
Odd.
New Blonde UTR.
Sara lives South of 36 on the D. Nice easy pickup.
Sara is a new blonde 30 something, nice looking small bbw (maybe just Curvey) with 36 c and the Bbbjws, BLS too. She will get down to business or start with some LFK. Superb tongue action follows and direction well.
Rimming is available if you get a room.
She is missing her upper set of teeth. Has a nice full set on the bottom. Not a meth mouth or user.
40 bbbjws / 80 cfs if you want FS bring your own cover.
She promised me pics. I'll post them when I get them.
She's not a Street walker she is a friend of mine that needs extra cash for the holiday's. If we treat her right she might hang out longer. She lives in her families home near the pickup site and will need some lead time to get to the parking lot for pick up. Text is best at least 10 min to meet you in the parking lot.
Digits and password for senior Frenz of Benz PM me.
Always nice to see!
New Blonde UTR.
Sara lives South of 36 on the D. Nice easy pickup.
Sara is a new blonde 30 something, nice looking small bbw (maybe just Curvey) with 36 c and the Bbbjws included BLS. Superb tongue action follows direction well.
Rimming is available if you get a room.
She is missing her upper set of teeth. Has a nice full set on the bottom. Not a meth mouth or user.
40 bbbjws / 80 cfs if you want FS bring your own cover.
She promised me pics. I'll post them when I get them.
She's not a Street walker she is a friend of mine that needs extra cash for the holiday's if we treat he right she might hang out longer. She lives in her families home new the pickup site and will need some lead time. Text is best at least 10 min to meet you in the parking lot.
Digits and password for senior Frenz of Benz PM me..
AvaMarie8155
11-29-17, 18:13
It's literally how we have to put it in now.
Facebook is still required, but other than that, it's just numbers. You're actual mobile phone number it's self needs to be verified now. I'm pretty sure I'm switching to another site. I'm sure others will do the same.
What's up with the new format on BP?
Most providers have very little info in ad, and the title is their phone #.
In addition, large gaps on each page where the girls post. There will be 6-7 ads (pics), and then a space (or three) where there is no ad posted, before another ad is then posted.
Odd..
What other site (s) are thinking of switching to, Ava?
It's literally how we have to put it in now.
Facebook is still required, but other than that, it's just numbers. You're actual mobile phone number it's self needs to be verified now. I'm pretty sure I'm switching to another site. I'm sure others will do the same.
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Benz post:
It is off and has been mucked up since the owner got busted for paying under age girls for sex about 1 yr. Ago.
I decided to move my dating efforts to Face book. A lot of the providers are friends on FB. The network is already in place we just have to be invited into the friend circles. I use a fake FB page and have been able to hook up with a lot of UTR's using FB and many of them are looking for easy hook-ups. Without a room they will have to trust you to come to their home. That kind of trust takes time. Trust can be created by a friend referral. I have shared a few on this forum, they trust me to share with only trusted seniors.
My most recent share has been Sara. I let seniors know of her willingness to see them on General Information and Street walker reports because she lives near the D and 36th.
If you're looking for the quick hook-up like BP offers, then check out the USA website for providers. You should be encouraging your favorite providers to advertise here.
http://usaadultclassifieds.info/clas...Rapids/&catid=
There is a specific thread on this site for USA Adult Classifieds Reviews. It might be a easier thread to read too. It doesn't have much dialogue or questioning like this one does. I've read from many mongers that this thread is hard to read and find reviews.
Why?
Part of the problem is my comments here are not a review and this question and answer should be on General Information not this thread.
IMO. The other part if the problem that makes it difficult to find reviews is the constant duplication of reviews with a simple comment (Thanks For The Review). Like we couldn't read it just one or two reviews down the page?
IMO this thread has become a blog instead if reviews.
SSurfer post:
I couldn't agree more with Benz point here. Let's keep the long drawn out chatter in the general forum so we can quickly navigate through the other forums and finding info. Thank you everyone who gets it and makes the reports short, sweet and the the point. When I have something new to report I will be back boys. I am stuck on my Country Cutie who has been around a long time.
I'm getting a lot of requests to share my Facebook friends with my USA frenz.
It has taken me a year to establish the trust required for a known monger with a fake facebook page to have access into a potential providers real facebook page where I can see all of their family, friends and photos.
They expect privacy from me and I will give it. By doing so, hopefully maintain their trust too.
This is why I am not sharing all of my FB friends with my USA Frenz.
I will let all my USA Frenz know when and if they want to become a utr on this site.
Happy Hunting.
Smart move Benz. There would be at least 1 Chucklehead that would fuck it all up.
CrissCross3015
12-05-17, 01:34
Sunny D:
Had an another go with Sunny D. Okay looking with baby damage on her tummy. Definite GFE with DFK. Solid BBBJ with CIM and CFS. She gets into it and is very vocal. I had MSOG which is nice plus she's not a clock watcher which is a good thing. She's not everybody's cup of tea but for a UTR provider, she's pretty good in my book. Cost is $ especially if she knows you. Easy appointment set up time IMO.
Jenn:
Had Jenn a few times. Very cute looking woman. Definitely have baby damage on her tummy. GFE, DFK, CFS. Her BBBJ skills is great and can use her tongue that makes it that much better. Very responsive with appointment set up but sometimes is flaky which is no no in my book. Can be pretty pricey (at least to me).
Misty / Katie:
She has been reviewed in the past. Sketchy neighborhood (at the time but I've heard she moved) She's a big girl. Easy to set up for appointment but is flaky. Very cheap especially for SS. Average BBBJ but will CIM. FS is on the menu but passed on it because her pussy is smelly.
Smart move Benz. There would be at least 1 Chucklehead that would fuck it all up.I'll answer the most FAQ here but will not answer requests for my page or my friends. NoseJelly is right, it would take just one Chucklehead to blow the whole thing.
How do you do it?
Creating your fake FB page might be different for the unmarried monger, I will take you down the married road.
Buy a hobby phone. Mine is a smart tracfone cost 60. (limited space make sure you get a SD card too).
I bought a used laptop to create a new e-mail address (I might have been able to use the smart phone) the laptop is kept at work.
Built my page with a fake pic (could be my brother or cousin) used out of town schools then I moved to GR for work. Plus I linked my hobby phone to the page. Looks real. If any of your real life friends pop up as people you might know, do not ignore it, Block them so you close the door to any cross contamination.
How to find friends?
I started my friend list by friending some popular Political, TV, Radio personalities in the Grand Rapids area. They will friend you and you can then ad some of their friends. This gets your number up so you don't look so new. A lot of girls will not accept a friend that looks new to FB, it looks like a fake page. Some girls friend everyone so they can get their number up to the max of 5 k and then crown themselves queen of FB. LOL. Looks like there's a self esteem thing linked to the number of friends for some girls on FB.
I don't accept unsolicited friend requests without searching the page for girl friends that I can recognize. Most solicitations are spam, fake, cam or time bomb to send viruses through links on their page. Be careful.
How do I find a UTR provider?
Monitor your news feed for the single girls that need a ride, (the pretty ones already have a ride anywhere anytime). These will be average looking and needy. Pick them up, ask why they don't have a car, listen to the sob story, be empathetic. They will ask to borrow money, you ask how will you repay me? Listen to their story again, let them know there could be a way you don't have to pay me back. At this point you can easily get a 30 to 40 BJ and they will call you back because they need more money. You can go lower the next time. I only have 20 today but I can give you a ride too. This is exactly what happened when I met Caramel and she was eventually ready to meet Frenz of Benz because she needed furniture for her apartment. She had a job but no car and I eventually found out she had a BF too. That's when I blocked her from my phone and FB. I have moved too fast and the girls have blocked me too.
All girls should qualify for your UTR target, Average girls have pretty girl friends, Lake Shore Hunny introduced me to Liliana. I'm at a point where some girls are trusting me enough to have me meet their girl friends that need money too.
This is a complete reversal to what we're use to. You can not just say I have money who wants to Fuck. They will first say go fuck yourself and block you then their friends will block you too.
Why did I start this FB search for UTR's?
About a year ago I was reading on this thread, We like utr's because they are low volume providers and wish we had some to choose from. LOL if they are available for us to just choose then they are not utr's. They can not be found they have to be created and nursed to the point of trusting you. Takes time.
At the same time of the UTR comments on this page, the owner of BP got busted for underage girls. I knew this was the beginning of the end for PB and decided to seek other methods of getting dates. Most of the GR hookers are linked on FB with their real life friends too. Takes time for sorting but it has a payoff eventually.
I currently have a girl from Holland that drives through Greenville twice a month for personal business. Sometimes we just have lunch other times I bring my massage table and we get a room. Costing me only the price of lunch and the room. Average looking with tiny tits but she swallows very hungrily and squirts. She needs money but currently not willing to have anyone visit her family home in Holland. When she's ready I'll let Holland senior members have her digits and password.
That should answer most of the questions so far. My PM has been filling up and I don't have all the answers, we should keep this going on this page so we can all benefit from each others experiences. I'm sure that YMMV applies here too.
I'm getting a lot of requests to share my Facebook friends with my USA frenz.
It has taken me a year to establish the trust required for a known monger with a fake facebook page to have access into a potential providers real facebook page where I can see all of their family, friends and photos.
They expect privacy from me and I will give it. By doing so, hopefully maintain their trust too.
This is why I am not sharing all of my FB friends with my USA Frenz.
I will let all my USA Frenz know when and if they want to become a utr on this site.
Happy Hunting.If those are all UTRs it's pretty impressive. BTW, I completely agree with your Thanksgiving post.
I'll answer the most FAQ here but will not answer requests for my page or my friends. NoseJelly is right, it would take just one Chucklehead to blow the whole thing.
How do you do it?
Creating your fake FB page might be different for the unmarried monger, I will take you down the married road.
Buy a hobby phone. Mine is a smart tracfone cost 60. (limited space make sure you get a SD card too).
I bought a used laptop to create a new e-mail address (I might have been able to use the smart phone) the laptop is kept at work.
Built my page with a fake pic (could be my brother or cousin) used out of town schools then I moved to GR for work. Plus I linked my hobby phone to the page. Looks real. If any of your real life friends pop up as people you might know, do not ignore it, Block them so you close the door to any cross contamination.
How to find friends?
I started my friend list by friending some popular Political, TV, Radio personalities in the Grand Rapids area. They will friend you and you can then ad some of their friends. This gets your number up so you don't look so new. A lot of girls will not accept a friend that looks new to FB, it looks like a fake page. Some girls friend everyone so they can get their number up to the max of 5 k and then crown themselves queen of FB. LOL. Looks like there's a self esteem thing linked to the number of friends for some girls on FB.
I don't accept unsolicited friend requests without searching the page for girl friends that I can recognize. Most solicitations are spam, fake, cam or time bomb to send viruses through links on their page. Be careful.
How do I find a UTR provider?
Monitor your news feed for the single girls that need a ride, (the pretty ones already have a ride anywhere anytime). These will be average looking and needy. Pick them up, ask why they don't have a car, listen to the sob story, be empathetic. They will ask to borrow money, you ask how will you repay me? Listen to their story again, let them know there could be a way you don't have to pay me back. At this point you can easily get a 30 to 40 BJ and they will call you back because they need more money. You can go lower the next time. I only have 20 today but I can give you a ride too. This is exactly what happened when I met Caramel and she was eventually ready to meet Frenz of Benz because she needed furniture for her apartment. She had a job but no car and I eventually found out she had a BF too. That's when I blocked her from my phone and FB. I have moved too fast and the girls have blocked me too.
All girls should qualify for your UTR target, Average girls have pretty girl friends, Lake Shore Hunny introduced me to Liliana. I'm at a point where some girls are trusting me enough to have me meet their girl friends that need money too.
This is a complete reversal to what we're use to. You can not just say I have money who wants to Fuck. They will first say go fuck yourself and block you then their friends will block you too.
Why did I start this FB search for UTR's?
About a year ago I was reading on this thread, We like utr's because they are low volume providers and wish we had some to choose from. LOL if they are available for us to just choose then they are not utr's. They can not be found they have to be created and nursed to the point of trusting you. Takes time.
At the same time of the UTR comments on this page, the owner of BP got busted for underage girls. I knew this was the beginning of the end for PB and decided to seek other methods of getting dates. Most of the GR hookers are linked on FB with their real life friends too. Takes time for sorting but it has a payoff eventually.
I currently have a girl from Holland that drives through Greenville twice a month for personal business. Sometimes we just have lunch other times I bring my massage table and we get a room. Costing me only the price of lunch and the room. Average looking with tiny tits but she swallows very hungrily and squirts. She needs money but currently not willing to have anyone visit her family home in Holland. When she's ready I'll let Holland senior members have her digits and password.
That should answer most of the questions so far. My PM has been filling up and I don't have all the answers, we should keep this going on this page so we can all benefit from each others experiences. I'm sure that YMMV applies here too.I also have a fake fb pg. And you and I Benz have several of the same ladies as friends. You have popped up as a suggested friend several times.
Autumn utr update.
Tomorrow (Thursday) Autumn is mobile with her car in Grand Rapids. You can call her tonight to set up a car date tomorrow. Or you can do what that Irish guy did and rent a room. It was his second date with her so he knew what he was in for and wanted more.
Autumn, she is a 27 yr old white small bbw( maybe just thick) in Ravenna, willing to do car dates out of a family home. (discretion is a must).
No incall available at this time. If you want FS you have to bring your own cover.
40 BBBJws, 80 CFS.
FYI on Prices, Irishguy77 had reviewed her and said the 120 hhr was well worth it. So I asked her what's up with the price increase for Benz frenz. She said I told him 80 the rest was a tip. Like all women, she will be prioritizing his dates first.
The pic on the right is for you RogerOver, she is sporting a full set of teeth but they are fake.
She gave me my first ever gum job and I regret telling her that I wanted more pressure. Popped way too soon.
Takes direction well and is a sweet girl.
Digits and Password for active seniors members only.
IrishGuy77
12-06-17, 23:37
As Benz said I really like Autumn one of the UTR's. Very sweet and knows how to please!
Kandiland and I'm sure most know why! She's just amazing!
Thick Latina is a sexy BBW if your into that, great BBBJ! Does CFS too.
Raven from Battle Creek offers PSE, pretty amazing! She's on skip the games site.
Jae works in Central Michigan area and Northern Michigan too. She is amazing with an ass that won't disappoint!
Happy Holidays and Safe Hunting!!
I also have a fake fb pg. And you and I Benz have several of the same ladies as friends. You have popped up as a suggested friend several times.Be careful Pete. A hacker has duplicated my page, there are two of me on FB. Before I realized what happened the imposter had friended a lot of my friends. I blocked the imposter to stop further infiltration. They didn't need my password just duplicate me and started sending a bunch of hack messages about registering to earn money.
Be careful out there.
I'm noticing that bigger cities have a subforum on the topic on this website. I saw one for LA and one for Chicago. How do we convince A2 that we could use one for GR?
Mike Yepthatsm
12-11-17, 19:35
I would be for it but only to offer advice to others. I'm not a fan of reviewing the profiles on those sites. Most of those women don't look as themselves as escorts or prostitutes. Just because a woman agrees to an arrangement with someone doesn't mean they would do the same arrangement with someone else. Chemistry between the two people matters a lot. I could see some idiot say to a woman off one of those sites "well I read on usasexguide you'll sleep with someone for x amount of money. ".
That being said, I have noticed several BP ladies on that site including gap tooth Nikki, Savage Jen, and Brittany (blonde25).
I'm noticing that bigger cities have a subforum on the topic on this website. I saw one for LA and one for Chicago. How do we convince A2 that we could use one for GR?
Lake Shore Hunny is a utr, starting up again for Christmas money.
She's 2 miles off the Nunica exit
Same digits and password as before.
If you don't have them Senior members cam PM me.
I'll post a current pic later when I'm in front of my hobby laptop.
Lake Shore Hunny is a utr, starting up again for Christmas money.
She's 2 miles off the Nunica exit
Same digits and password as before.
Her incall has limited daytime hours and car dates are always available 40 car date, 80hhr 120hr. GFE, MSOG BBBJ cim
Her incall is in her families home discretion is required that's why I only give digits to Senior members
If you don't have them Senior members cam PM me.
I'll post a current pic later when I'm in front of my hobby laptop.As promised adding the pics. She is a small to medium BBW with a great attitude.
If you want FS bring your own condum. She doesn't have transportation to go get her own
Lake Shore Hunny is a utr, starting up again for Christmas money.
She's 2 miles off the Nunica exit
Same digits and password as before.
If you don't have them Senior members cam PM me.
I'll post a current pic later when I'm in front of my hobby laptop.I. e. Your mailbox is full.
IrishGuy77
12-12-17, 22:14
She's in town guys! See her while you can!
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2017/12/13/michigan-cops-can-no-longer-legally-have-sex-with-prostitutes-while-on-duty
Charlie441
12-17-17, 17:17
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2017/12/13/michigan-cops-can-no-longer-legally-have-sex-with-prostitutes-while-on-dutyIt doesn't exactly make things any much easier for the working girl. She can still stroke his manhood, he can still finger-bang-bang, suck her t!ts, and she can give him a BJ. So sexual contact is still allowed, just intercourse is off the books. Many guys will see girls where he just wants a BJ, so it's not like the undercover cops are going to be sending out red flags. They're just going to avoid having potential fun to the fullest when on it. .
It doesn't exactly make things any much easier for the working girl. She can still stroke his manhood, he can still finger-bang-bang, suck her t!ts, and she can give him a BJ. So sexual contact is still allowed, just intercourse is off the books. Many guys will see girls where he just wants a BJ, so it's not like the undercover cops are going to be sending out red flags. They're just going to avoid having potential fun to the fullest when on it. .You obviously didn't read the whole article or the Bill itself.
"Senate Bill 275, sponsored by Republican Sen. Judy Emmons, amend Michigan's penal code to clarify that the immunity given to law enforcement officers from prosecution for certain prostitution-related offenses does not apply if the officer engages in sexual acts while on duty. ".
Charlie441
12-17-17, 21:51
You obviously didn't read the whole article or the Bill itself.
"Senate Bill 275, sponsored by Republican Sen. Judy Emmons, amend Michigan's penal code to clarify that the immunity given to law enforcement officers from prosecution for certain prostitution-related offenses does not apply if the officer engages in sexual acts while on duty. ".
You make a good point, but it also then says (which I focused on):
Some House Democrats had voted against the bill earlier in the year, after an amendment that would have expanded the ban to include any sexual contact and not just "penetration" was shot down.
So the News Article seems to have conflicting results. It implies they FAILED to pass a bill nixing Any sexual contact, but in what you quote, it implies it may. So, I read the bill, which thankfully is very short:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2017-2018/billconcurred/House/pdf/2017-HCB-4355.pdf
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:
SEC. 451B. SECTION 451A DOES NOT APPLY TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IF THE OFFICER ENGAGES IN SEXUAL PENETRATION AS THAT TERM IS DEFINED IN SECTION 520A WHILE IN THE COURSE OF HIS OR HER DUTIES.
So it seems, they just ban penetration, and the article could have been less confusing.
My hobby PC recently updated to a new version of Firefox. After the update, Google Image Search is no longer available. I tried to add it again but it is apparently not compatible with firefox anymore. Any suggestion from the techie crowd?
My hobby PC recently updated to a new version of Firefox. After the update, Google Image Search is no longer available. I tried to add it again but it is apparently not compatible with firefox anymore. Any suggestion from the techie crowd?Use Google Chrome. You can just right click pictures and do a search on the picture since it's all integrated in.
Witnessing
12-19-17, 16:29
Use Google Chrome. You can just right click pictures and do a search on the picture since it's all integrated in.First of all, Libertas' suggestion is the best solution.
If you simply must use Firefox for whatever reason, it sounds like your Google Search extension isn't compatible with the latest Firefox. Searching Google isn't native functionality in Firefox, so you probably just need to add the latest version of that extension to your browser. I'm not 100% certain that this link will work (I don't have Firefox installed), but this is a good palce to start:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-similar-images/
I am off to Mississauga, ON on business for two weeks in Jan. Any suggestions for Hobbiest review boards in that area? Now Toronto. Ca looks good for adverts, but SP 411.com is dreadful to use.
IrishGuy77
12-21-17, 11:33
How many times do you try to see someone before giving up on them? 3rd time was the charm with Kimberly, and glad I got to see her! I know some are busy and don't ever respond. But driving 2 hours and then sitting an hour trying to get ahold of someone sucks. Luckily Brook answered yesterday and man did she deliver!
How many times do you try to see someone before giving up on them? 3rd time was the charm with Kimberly, and glad I got to see her! I know some are busy and don't ever respond. But driving 2 hours and then sitting an hour trying to get ahold of someone sucks. Luckily Brook answered yesterday and man did she deliver!Kat and Kandiland are the only ones that are on time for me. Everyone else, plan on a 30 minute delay or no show. If she has had good reviews I give two chances.
Spartan191
12-22-17, 07:41
I am off to Mississauga, ON on business for two weeks in Jan. Any suggestions for Hobbiest review boards in that area? Now Toronto. Ca looks good for adverts, but SP 411.com is dreadful to use.I use TERB and have had good luck.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/
Keep in mind that it legal to sell sexual services but illegal to buy sexual services. But the ladies are very professional and this has never been and issue for me. And it can be pricey. The prices quoted are CA dollars. Monitor the exchange rate.
Be safe and have fun.
IrishGuy77
12-22-17, 11:48
Kat and Kandiland are the only ones that are on time for me. Everyone else, plan on a 30 minute delay or no show. If she has had good reviews I give two chances.Kandiland1 is the best, can't wait for her to arrive after Christmas!!
IrishGuy77
12-22-17, 20:03
Is in porn! Looks familiar.
IrishGuy77
12-22-17, 20:04
Is in porn! Looks familiar.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/262-351-5092/44106417
ChastD1959
12-22-17, 21:32
Is in porn! Looks familiar.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/262-351-5092/44106417Instagram model Allison Parker. Simple google image search.
https://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-allison-parker-photos/trent-walker
IrishGuy77
12-23-17, 08:42
Instagram model Allison Parker. Simple google image search.
https://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-allison-parker-photos/trent-walkerGood find. I know I've seen someone who looks like her in porn.
An example I had posted earlier on how to do links. Hope it helps.
Copy / Paste.
Click on ad you wish to view. At very top, in search bar, is a bunch of letters / numbers describing the said girl. (ex. : http://grandrapids.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/616-228-8155/44100392) This is Ava's search bar info. (who I have personally seen and positively reviewed) :)
Put mouse all the way to either the left or right on the information in the search bar. Hold left / top part of mouse down, and drag it over the entire length of info.
Then, when info is highlighted blue, right click on it. (Top right of mouse). Several options come up including 'copy'. Select that one.
Go into your post here on USASG, right click again on the mouse and select 'paste'. Do not put any other letters, symbols or spaces immediately before or after link.
Upload report at bottom of USASG as always.
An example I had posted earlier on how to do links. Hope it helps.
Copy / Paste.
Click on ad you wish to view. At very top, in search bar, is a bunch of letters / numbers describing the said girl. (ex. : http://grandrapids.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/616-228-8155/44100392) This is Ava's search bar info. (who I have personally seen and positively reviewed) :)
Put mouse all the way to either the left or right on the information in the search bar. Hold left / top part of mouse down, and drag it over the entire length of info.
Then, when info is highlighted blue, right click on it. (Top right of mouse). Several options come up including 'copy'. Select that one.
Go into your post here on USASG, right click again on the mouse and select 'paste'. Do not put any other letters, symbols or spaces immediately before or after link.
Upload report at bottom of USASG as always.Well those links expire a screenshot is better I think.
Hobby phone owners.
If you have a hobby phone make sure it is not in the house, when people open their electronic gifts.
If they start pairing devices, your phone will show up as an option for pairing.
I'm going to take the battery out. (I wouldn't trust just turning the blue tooth off).
PrimalUrge
12-23-17, 19:28
An example I had posted earlier on how to do links. Hope it helps.
Copy / Paste.
Click on ad you wish to view. At very top, in search bar, is a bunch of letters / numbers describing the said girl. (ex. : http://grandrapids.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/616-228-8155/44100392) This is Ava's search bar info. (who I have personally seen and positively reviewed) :)
Put mouse all the way to either the left or right on the information in the search bar. Hold left / top part of mouse down, and drag it over the entire length of info.
Then, when info is highlighted blue, right click on it. (Top right of mouse). Several options come up including 'copy'. Select that one.
Go into your post here on USASG, right click again on the mouse and select 'paste'. Do not put any other letters, symbols or spaces immediately before or after link.
Upload report at bottom of USASG as always.Do you know how to add a link when making a post from an iPhone?
ChastD1959
12-23-17, 20:04
As always, Benz1 is the consummate monger.
Hobby phone owners.
If you have a hobby phone make sure it is not in the house, when people open their electronic gifts.
If they start pairing devices, your phone will show up as an option for pairing.
I'm going to take the battery out. (I wouldn't trust just turning the blue tooth off).
MidMichGeezer
12-23-17, 20:12
As always, Benz1 is the consummate monger.If it's in the house and you have a SO, then the thing better be OFF.
If it's in the house and you have a SO, then the thing better be OFF.Even if the hobby phone is in the garage, it can be detected by other devices for blue tooth pairing options.
Take the BATTERY OUT! Tonight.
Not sure how to do a screenshot?
What do you do to make one? Thanks!
Well those links expire a screenshot is better I think.
Sorry, don't have a Iphone. Anybody?
Just a computer for me.
Do you know how to add a link when making a post from an iPhone?
Not sure how to do a screenshot?
What do you do to make one? Thanks!Just hold home and power button at the same time and you'll get the screenshot.
MichGuy0419
12-24-17, 19:24
Hope you all have a Merry Christmas and a safe new year!!
I like BDSM but I can't host for now, if anyone is interested just PM she is open for anything, but prefer if you have a dungeon or something like that.
I see Crystal is posting again.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts
JuanDeagle
01-01-18, 20:16
I see Crystal is posting again.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escortsWhich one is she?
On "Skip the Games" type Crystal in the righthand box of the search at the top and it will only show her ads.
Which one is she?
SteelDog65
01-02-18, 16:31
Looks like I'm going to be in Grand Rapids this Wednesday evening and spending the night. Any ideas on where I could go to see some attractive naked women and maybe have some breast rubbed across my body? Since it seems as far as I can figure out that all your clubs are bikini or covered, I'm wondering if there's something within half an hour drive that's worth it. Thanks for helping a fellow out.
SlapShot69
01-02-18, 21:51
Looks like I'm going to be in Grand Rapids this Wednesday evening and spending the night. Any ideas on where I could go to see some attractive naked women and maybe have some breast rubbed across my body? Since it seems as far as I can figure out that all your clubs are bikini or covered, I'm wondering if there's something within half an hour drive that's worth it. Thanks for helping a fellow out.The clubs in GR are not worth wasting any money on. Plenty of good massage options, check that forum.
Which one is she?What is going on with those legs?! Yikes!
Does anyone want to split an order of vitamin v or Cialis? Feel free to pm me if you are interested. Thanks.
Does anyone want to split an order of vitamin v or Cialis? Feel free to pm me if you are interested. Thanks.Some providers have them and might give them to you for free.
I found a girl that gives topless haircuts.
PM me for digits.
I need a girl in GR, mildly good looking, $50-$200 for a quickie / BJ in car and doesn't ask for I'd. Or at least something similar, like a parlor for a HJ if they don't ask for I'd. If someone could help, it would be great. Thanks!
I found a girl that gives topless haircuts.
PM me for digits.I've been a barber in Holland for years! One of my customers told me that I should do that in my shop. I told him, "If I cut your hair with my shirt off, you'd tip me out of sympathy. ".
I found a girl that gives topless haircuts.
PM me for digits.Benz1 your mailbox is full.
ChipCharger
01-05-18, 11:12
Does anyone want to split an order of vitamin v or Cialis? Feel free to pm me if you are interested. Thanks.Look back on my posts. I talk about a decent product there.
I found a girl that gives topless haircuts.
PM me for digits.Topless haircut is 40+.
Manscaping and extra services are extra.
Bloozer's rates are double because it appears he is her competition.
PM me for digits mailbox is cleared again.
Trying to keep my mailbox moving, I sent out a mass mailing to answer all. If you did not get a response, send me another request.
Please be patient, there is a line. Now I probably won't get mine. Oh well, Enjoy
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