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Terrible resolution, can barely see it.It's definitely her she liked to be tied up.
It's definitely her she liked to be tied up.I would post a pic but don't want to get banned or lose the good status I have although not being a sr member.
Damn, one of the few things I never did with her! Thanks a lot Ted! Now I miss her even more!
It's definitely her she liked to be tied up..
Misunderstood
09-26-18, 15:27
It's definitely her she liked to be tied up.I was just trying to if there was any tattoos.
Love The Lips
09-27-18, 08:30
Check out the demands from this nutcase!! http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/637192104174.
I seen her a couple years ago when she was working off from Coit St.
The massage wasn't terrible, no touching anything her, no happy ending, nothing but talk, talk, talk, I left early because I couldn't stand listening to her any longer! She looked a lot heavier than those pics.
Stay safe guys.
2 track
Check out the demands from this nutcase!! http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/637192104174..
Reacher2215
09-27-18, 08:55
Needed that laugh today. Thanks haha.
Check out the demands from this nutcase!! http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/637192104174.
SlapShot69
09-27-18, 09:16
Check out the demands from this nutcase!! http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/637192104174.I sent my application, will review next year when all the paperwork is done.
Anyone else having trouble getting the skipthegames site?
Yeah, couldn't get on earlier.
It looks like a lot of the spam has been removed now. Most of the ads seem legit.
Anyone else having trouble getting the skipthegames site?
I seen her a couple years ago when she was working off from Coit St.
The massage wasn't terrible, no touching anything her, no happy ending, nothing but talk, talk, talk, I left early because I couldn't stand listening to her any longer! She looked a lot heavier than those pics.
Stay safe guys.
2 track.At least she's legit I guess. Did you have to jump through all those hoops.
Spartan191
09-27-18, 14:28
I sent her my blood type, my BMI (Body mass index) and of course what I had for dinner last night. We'll see what develops.
I sent my application, will review next year when all the paperwork is done.
Too funny!
And in her ad notice 120 hr. , 180 for a good view. So just a massage is 2 x standard door fee. 60 more for topless! Wow I better start my application process right away! Hate to miss my chance to pay 2 x what I pay normally for a nude massage with fiv and full roaming.
I sent her my blood type, my BMI (Body mass index) and of course what I had for dinner last night. We'll see what develops.
Too funny!
And in her ad notice 120 hr. , 180 for a good view. So just a massage is 2 x standard door fee. 60 more for topless! Wow I better start my application process right away! Hate to miss my chance to pay 2 x what I pay normally for a nude massage with fiv and full roaming.Wow, crazy demands for a massage! I bet the gentlemen are lined up waiting to see her! LOL.
At least she's legit I guess. Did you have to jump through all those hoops.Not really before showing up.
However, once there, the interactions started!
Not a pleasant experience!
I don't remember for sure, but I think the damage was $. 20 hr.
I bailed in like 40 min.
Really seemed like she should've paying me to listen to all her delemas!
No, I will NOT repeat!
Stay safe guys.
2 track.
Check out the demands from this nutcase!! http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/637192104174.She's obviously not in it for the money because she's not going to have any action with this marketing plan.
Check out the demands from this nutcase!! http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/637192104174.http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8163-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=3956174&viewfull=1#post3956174
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8163-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=3956174&viewfull=1#post3956174I guess she needs money for meds. Thanks for the warning. Wonder what the connection is for her to grand rapids.
Check out the demands from this nutcase!! http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/637192104174.She used to go by Beth and Liz. All bad reviews. See more comments in Massage section. Definitely sounds like she is a little off.
Wife out of town for a few days, time to TOFTT.
Any suggestions?
I'll probably pull the trigger Tuesday (best negotiating day).
Taking suggestions now, need time for research.
Wife out of town for a few days, time to TOFTT.
Any suggestions?
I'll probably pull the trigger Tuesday (best negotiating day).
Taking suggestions now, need time for research.I've been thinking of this one for a bit. I haven't done a lot of research on her yet though. http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/im-back/055252575255.
Saw her a couple times for legit massage. At first she was fine then seemed to "go crazy" suggestion that the landlord had cameras in her space. And that I was stalking her. Not worth the risk.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/056166369447
I've been thinking of this one for a bit. I haven't done a lot of research on her yet though. http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/im-back/055252575255.I like these two, They're offering MSOG.
I'm usually shopping for service not looks but they could be both.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/831-275-2286new-pics/414032521761
This one looks too good to be true, probably fake pics. Most of the time I don't even bother looking at the TGTBT but she's posting MSOG.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/my-pussy-is-dripping-wet-waiti/985702944131
Notice how most offer water sports giving and rimming receiving? Not too many porn stars in GR.
I like these two, They're offering MSOG.
I'm usually shopping for service not looks but they could be both.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/831-275-2286new-pics/414032521761
This one looks too good to be true, probably fake pics. Most of the time I don't even bother looking at the TGTBT but she's posting MSOG.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/my-pussy-is-dripping-wet-waiti/985702944131
Notice how most offer water sports giving and rimming receiving? Not too many porn stars in GR.I've noticed the first one as well. Giving some thought to seeing her. The link to the second was gone by the time I got back here. As for water sports and the like, not really my thing so, as long as they aren't mandatory, I generally ignore that.
I believe that is the 'ad' that always accompanies the old ads for Molly.
Molly, of course, was not the most attractive, and most mongers did not enjoy their time with her. Not sure if the girl with her (and from the new ad) is real or not.
I've been thinking of this one for a bit. I haven't done a lot of research on her yet though. http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/im-back/055252575255.
Wolverines
09-29-18, 14:06
Thanks for the heads up on this one.
Check out the demands from this nutcase!! http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/637192104174.
I seen her a couple years ago when she was working off from Coit St. The massage wasn't terrible, no touching anything her, no happy ending, nothing but talk, talk, talk, I left early because I couldn't stand listening to her any longer! She looked a lot heavier than those pics.
Stay safe guys. 2 track.
Saw her a couple times for legit massage. At first she was fine then seemed to "go crazy" suggestion that the landlord had cameras in her space. And that I was stalking her. Not worth the risk.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/full-body-massage/056166369447
She used to go by Beth and Liz. All bad reviews. See more comments in Massage section. Definitely sounds like she is a little off.
At least she's legit I guess. Did you have to jump through all those hoops.
Not really before showing up. However, once there, the interactions started! Not a pleasant experience! I don't remember for sure, but I think the damage was $. 20 hr. I bailed in like 40 min. Really seemed like she should've paying me to listen to all her delemas! No, I will NOT repeat! Stay safe guys.
2 track.
I notice on cityxguide most of the profiles do not have 616 area codes. There are multiple postings from Pennsylvania and many others from scattered non-Michigan area codes. I haven't bothered to try and contact any of the non local numbers. Has anyone tried a non local number? My suspicion is that they are all scams. Any info on this?
I like these two, They're offering MSOG.
I'm usually shopping for service not looks but they could be both.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/831-275-2286new-pics/414032521761
This one looks too good to be true, probably fake pics. Most of the time I don't even bother looking at the TGTBT but she's posting MSOG.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/my-pussy-is-dripping-wet-waiti/985702944131
Notice how most offer water sports giving and rimming receiving? Not too many porn stars in GR.Contact with Kayla the redhead has been sketchy. Rats 80 ss, 100 hhr. So far no response on location.
ChipCharger
10-01-18, 15:51
I notice on cityxguide most of the profiles do not have 616 area codes. There are multiple postings from Pennsylvania and many others from scattered non-Michigan area codes. I haven't bothered to try and contact any of the non local numbers. Has anyone tried a non local number? My suspicion is that they are all scams. Any info on this?Used to be most of us with experience wouldn't even call back a non local area code unless there was a good review history documented somewhere. I still don't. Even searches of phone numbers are pretty useless these days. I stick with what I know from experience or guys I know to be a good judge of things. Done my fair share of toffits so I have nothing to prove but I can share knowledge I've gained. So can quite a few others here. Some use texting gizmos that have unusual numbers and they might be safe; probably a good rule of thumb is that most are bogus unless you see a good review from someone you trust. Not even all reports are reliable and safe though. Look into the reviewer and make a judgement call on crdibility. These days your guard should be up. Good call in my way of seeing it. Even most legit new providers will at least get get a local area code or should. Sheesh. Keep cautious my friend; good thinking as I see it. Stay safe and make good choices.
Contact with Kayla the redhead has been sketchy. Rats 80 ss, 100 hhr. So far no response on location.I've had similar problems. One night she was super responsive and then at one point told me to stop texting her. Another night responded once and then not again. She quoted me 70 ss too so it seems demand may fluctuate the quickie cost.
I've had similar problems. One night she was super responsive and then at one point told me to stop texting her. Another night responded once and then not again. She quoted me 70 ss too so it seems demand may fluctuate the quickie cost.She might be one of our weekend warriors.
I don't monger on weekends, maybe I'll never meet her.
Slowboatguy
10-01-18, 20:24
I notice on cityxguide most of the profiles do not have 616 area codes. There are multiple postings from Pennsylvania and many others from scattered non-Michigan area codes. I haven't bothered to try and contact any of the non local numbers. Has anyone tried a non local number? My suspicion is that they are all scams. Any info on this?Some use the phone apps and they can pick any area code they want. Some actually use different area codes to keep track of particular posts assigned to different phone numbers.
I like these two, They're offering MSOG.
I'm usually shopping for service not looks but they could be both.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/831-275-2286new-pics/414032521761
This one looks too good to be true, probably fake pics. Most of the time I don't even bother looking at the TGTBT but she's posting MSOG.
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/my-pussy-is-dripping-wet-waiti/985702944131
Notice how most offer water sports giving and rimming receiving? Not too many porn stars in GR.Kayla the redhead is the first link.
She's working out of her home on weekdays, more cautious and not replying to every monger call.
Her apartment is upstairs on the west side. Told her, after my knee replacement I don't do stairs,(those west side stairs are not safe) asked for a car date she said sure. I said car dates for me are bbbjws she asked what was WS told her w / swallow. Crickets, will update if I get a price on the car date.
I'll text her tomorrow from my other number to get the Tuesday rate
Used to be most of us with experience wouldn't even call back a non local area code unless there was a good review history documented somewhere. I still don't. Even searches of phone numbers are pretty useless these days. I stick with what I know from experience or guys I know to be a good judge of things. Done my fair share of toffits so I have nothing to prove but I can share knowledge I've gained. So can quite a few others here. Some use texting gizmos that have unusual numbers and they might be safe; probably a good rule of thumb is that most are bogus unless you see a good review from someone you trust. Not even all reports are reliable and safe though. Look into the reviewer and make a judgement call on crdibility. These days your guard should be up. Good call in my way of seeing it. Even most legit new providers will at least get get a local area code or should. Sheesh. Keep cautious my friend; good thinking as I see it. Stay safe and make good choices.Thanks ChipCharger. I know some use a phone app to get a 2nd number, but it never occurred to me that they would pick a different area code. I didn't even bring up that one girl I have been following, but haven't called has a different number every week. Also, some I notice have no number but ask that the guy text their email address. That sounds really questionable to me.
Some use the phone apps and they can pick any area code they want. Some actually use different area codes to keep track of particular posts assigned to different phone numbers.Thanks Slowboatguy. In view of the sting reports within the past month, I am suspicious of non-local numbers, but I guess LEO could pick a local number just as easily using the phone apps. I don't think I'll bite on anyone not reviewed at least by a couple different members.
Kayla the redhead is the first link.
She's working out of her home on weekdays, more cautious and not replying to every monger call.
Her apartment is upstairs on the west side. Told her, after my knee replacement I don't do stairs,(those west side stairs are not safe) asked for a car date she said sure. I said car dates for me are bbbjws she asked what was WS told her w / swallow. Crickets, will update if I get a price on the car date.
I'll text her tomorrow from my other number to get the Tuesday ratehttp://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/831-275-2286new-pics/414032521761
No CIM,
I thanked her for her honesty.
Maybe Honesty is a perk that should be listed in their menu on STG
Concrete351
10-02-18, 17:13
Was wondering what up with the sec trafficking ad on stg and cityx?
So about a month ago I booked an app with my regular. She was a little different on the phone but I blew it off as she can be flaky.
I showed up to her appartment and her lips had several cold sores. I asked her what was up and she said that there are two types of herpes, one is contagious and the other is hereditary. She said this is something that flares up from time to time and even her kid has it.
I thanked her for her time, gave her a hug, put the donation in my pocket and left. She said she understood.
It's been about a month and I have not even bothered calling her.
Would you give her another run? Or look for someone new?
So about a month ago I booked an app with my regular. She was a little different on the phone but I blew it off as she can be flaky.
I showed up to her appartment and her lips had several cold sores. I asked her what was up and she said that there are two types of herpes, one is contagious and the other is hereditary. She said this is something that flares up from time to time and even her kid has it.
I thanked her for her time, gave her a hug, put the donation in my pocket and left. She said she understood.
It's been about a month and I have not even bothered calling her.
Would you give her another run? Or look for someone new?There are two types of herpes, but she is wrong in a very important way. Both types are contagious. Cold sores are very contagious and the herpes virus can cause sore on the penis if she gives oral sex. Of course, they are also contagious by kissing. You should avoid all contact with her mouth until they are completely healed--the key here is completely healed. Herpes 1 is the virus that usually causes cold sores. Herpes 2 usually cause genital sores. However, she may have herpes 2 on her lips that she got from giving blowjobs. It's impossible to tell without testing with someone in the sex industry. What she meant by her comment that some are hereditary is probably that she could have been exposed in childbirth from a mother that was infected at the time she gave birth. At any rate, both are very contagious. You don't want the risk of getting herpes, so if it were me I would stay away. I wouldn't see her again, it's too risky. She probably doesn't know which type she has. Stay safe.
Was wondering what up with the sec trafficking ad on stg and cityx?I wondered the same thing. I assume they are posted by LEO, which shows you how actively they are monitoring the sites. I'm not sure what they expect. If a monger tried to let them know where the girl is, I can't imagine them not wanting to question the monger. Maybe there is an anonymous tip line that could be used? Maybe they are just trying to scare off mongering in general.
Three Nutz
10-03-18, 08:32
So about a month ago I booked an app with my regular. She was a little different on the phone but I blew it off as she can be flaky.
I showed up to her appartment and her lips had several cold sores. I asked her what was up and she said that there are two types of herpes, one is contagious and the other is hereditary. She said this is something that flares up from time to time and even her kid has it.
I thanked her for her time, gave her a hug, put the donation in my pocket and left. She said she understood.
It's been about a month and I have not even bothered calling her.
Would you give her another run? Or look for someone new?Exact number not known but common is one 1 out of 6 US citizens has either HSV1 and / or HSV2. THAT IS 16%. Both are contageious during the "shedding" period which is just prior to soars and until soars heal. But servaity and frequency of symptoms can vary by individual from cronic issue to one who never shows or has symptoms. Never. HSV1 was commonly know as oral but a much larger genitel infection in the past few years is being casused by more BBBJ. They call it the Clinton Effect. It is much easier for a woman to give to a man than a man to a woman.
It is closely related to the Chicken Pox and Shingles virus. There is medical treatment that can surpress outbreaks. Medical research is closing in on a vacine but not as much progress is being made on a cure.
Summary. There are more people out there with HSV1 than you think and catching it is not a death sentance. If you play around you have been exposed or you will be. Just a statistical fact.
You played it right.
So about a month ago I booked an app with my regular. She was a little different on the phone but I blew it off as she can be flaky.
I showed up to her appartment and her lips had several cold sores. I asked her what was up and she said that there are two types of herpes, one is contagious and the other is hereditary. She said this is something that flares up from time to time and even her kid has it.
I thanked her for her time, gave her a hug, put the donation in my pocket and left. She said she understood.
It's been about a month and I have not even bothered calling her.
Would you give her another run? Or look for someone new?Personally if you like her I'd try again see if it's gone. If you have seen her lots and never had any issues your safe I'm sure.
Charlie441
10-03-18, 10:39
Exact number not known but common is one 1 out of 6 US citizens has either HSV1 and / or HSV2. THAT IS 16%. Both are contageious during the "shedding" period which is just prior to soars and until soars heal. But servaity and frequency of symptoms can vary by individual from cronic issue to one who never shows or has symptoms. Never. HSV1 was commonly know as oral but a much larger genitel infection in the past few years is being casused by more BBBJ. They call it the Clinton Effect. It is much easier for a woman to give to a man than a man to a woman.
It is closely related to the Chicken Pox and Shingles virus. There is medical treatment that can surpress outbreaks. Medical research is closing in on a vacine but not as much progress is being made on a cure.
Summary. There are more people out there with HSV1 than you think and catching it is not a death sentance. If you play around you have been exposed or you will be. Just a statistical fact.
You played it right.Actually, it's bigger than that. According to the CDC in a new report this year, from a science article:
The results showed that, overall, about 48 percent of people in this age group had HSV-1, and about 12 percent had HSV-2. Infections were more common among older age groups — for example, 60 percent of people ages 40 to 49 had HSV-1, and 21 percent had HSV-2, while 27 percent of people ages 14 to 19 had HSV-1, and 0.8 percent had HSV-2, the report said.Basically, the longer you're around, the more you kiss. The more you kiss, the more likely you'll get cold sores. Good news is, both have gone down a little over time with newer generations. And also from what I heard, if you have HSV1, you're less prone to get HSV2 (and vice versa). But as stated before, you can get both in either area. And also from what I read, there hasn't been a ton of research on it since it's not really dangerous, but there are some places that have a bit of evidence and theorize that HSV1 is more aggressive by default than HSV2 (which tends to be on your gonads), and that HSV1 "down there" may be more prevalent than folks may assume.
All in all, it's not life threatening, nor is it like Lyme disease. And it's only a Very Small % of people who get re-occurring symptoms flaring up that brings any significant issue (which helps it spread; good news is, is because it doesn't really do anything to most people anyway).
MissMollyMaze
10-03-18, 19:32
I believe that is the 'ad' that always accompanies the old ads for Molly.
Molly, of course, was not the most attractive, and most mongers did not enjoy their time with her. Not sure if the girl with her (and from the new ad) is real or not.I wonder if this is affecting my business. I am not this Molly. I've attached a pic.
Your link shows the other similar looking woman, but with a huge tat on shoulder / arm area.
I wonder if this is affecting my business. I am not this Molly. I've attached a pic.
When you google her # the 7th result is a now dead skipthegames link but google shows text saying she's not girl in pics and is a ripoff artist. No idea if that's true but I find zero reviews on her anywhere yet she's posted EVERYWHERE on the web.
I've been robbed before. Not going to toftt when the only comment I can find says bate and switch and ripoff.
Your link shows the other similar looking woman, but with a huge tat on shoulder / arm area.
When you google her # the 7th result is a now dead skipthegames link but google shows text saying she's not girl in pics and is a ripoff artist. No idea if that's true but I find zero reviews on her anywhere yet she's posted EVERYWHERE on the web.
I've been robbed before. Not going to toftt when the only comment I can find says bate and switch and ripoff.I do not have experience with either woman personally but I think there is mass confusion.
Molly has been in the game a while, usually with a duo partner. The girl with the tat on the shoulder use to be her duo partner, although she has denied it when I reached out to her months ago prior to the BP shutdown. Who knows if she is with Molly but the girl in The pic is NOT molly. Neither have received glowing reviews, ever.
MissMollyMaze has received reviews very recently, one by a regular member and another by a newbie. Does this mean she is legit? Who knows. The ads I have seen her post look inviting but they switched from a downtown GR hotel to outcall services. If she switches back to incall I will partake at some point.
Not to throw "Molly" under the bus but if the girl with the shoulder tattoo is still with her, you should keep expectations low. Some intel reported to me after my conversation with her was that they visited the duo for 150 hhr and had a decent time. This was from a Sr Monger but I cannot confirm first hand.
Thanks for the follow up. I apparently screwed up using search and missed the reviews you mentioned. My bad!
And yes, I know the old shovel face molly from before. I'm aware this isn't her.
I do not have experience with either woman personally but I think there is mass confusion.
Molly has been in the game a while, usually with a duo partner. The girl with the tat on the shoulder use to be her duo partner, although she has denied it when I reached out to her months ago prior to the BP shutdown. Who knows if she is with Molly but the girl in The pic is NOT molly. Neither have received glowing reviews, ever.
MissMollyMaze has received reviews very recently, one by a regular member and another by a newbie. Does this mean she is legit? Who knows. The ads I have seen her post look inviting but they switched from a downtown GR hotel to outcall services. If she switches back to incall I will partake at some point.
Not to throw "Molly" under the bus but if the girl with the shoulder tattoo is still with her, you should keep expectations low. Some intel reported to me after my conversation with her was that they visited the duo for 150 hhr and had a decent time. This was from a Sr Monger but I cannot confirm first hand.
Wolverines
10-05-18, 00:20
The buzz is that they are pimp generated. Pimp is trying to hurt their business in order to get the girl to work for him. That is just speculation but it makes total sense because the Ads are identical to the sex trafficking Ad that the ex-pimp for Tatiana (aka Eve Pantera aka Blonde aka Trophy Wife) was posting over and over again. She must have finally left the area but apparently the pimp is still around.
I wondered the same thing. I assume they are posted by LEO, which shows you how actively they are monitoring the sites. I'm not sure what they expect. If a monger tried to let them know where the girl is, I can't imagine them not wanting to question the monger. Maybe there is an anonymous tip line that could be used? Maybe they are just trying to scare off mongering in general.
Wolverines
10-05-18, 00:34
The attached picture is Molly back in 2015. Haven't seen a recent picture of her.
I do not have experience with either woman personally but I think there is mass confusion.
Molly has been in the game a while, usually with a duo partner. The girl with the tat on the shoulder use to be her duo partner, although she has denied it when I reached out to her months ago prior to the BP shutdown. Who knows if she is with Molly but the girl in The pic is NOT molly. Neither have received glowing reviews, ever.
MissMollyMaze has received reviews very recently, one by a regular member and another by a newbie. Does this mean she is legit? Who knows. The ads I have seen her post look inviting but they switched from a downtown GR hotel to outcall services. If she switches back to incall I will partake at some point.
Not to throw "Molly" under the bus but if the girl with the shoulder tattoo is still with her, you should keep expectations low. Some intel reported to me after my conversation with her was that they visited the duo for 150 hhr and had a decent time. This was from a Sr Monger but I cannot confirm first hand.
ClassyGentGr
10-05-18, 06:12
There is NO comparison between this "new" Molly and MollyMaze. MollyMaze is not only legit but top of the line. All class and a true sweetheart. And right now she needs our support! Never saw the other (younger) Molly, based on what I had heard in the past. Stick with the amazing Molly. MollyMaze! https://cityxguide.com/escorts/tgif-with-molly-carplay-12962596.
MissMollyMaze
10-05-18, 06:54
There is NO comparison between this "new" Molly and MollyMaze. MollyMaze is not only legit but top of the line. All class and a true sweetheart. And right now she needs our support! Never saw the other (younger) Molly, based on what I had heard in the past. Stick with the amazing Molly. MollyMaze! https://cityxguide.com/escorts/tgif-with-molly-carplay-12962596.Thank you so much for this!
Thanks for the link and opinion. If missmollymaze would reply to my pm here I sent her yesterday I may have written a review on her instead of Breezie.
There is NO comparison between this "new" Molly and MollyMaze. MollyMaze is not only legit but top of the line. All class and a true sweetheart. And right now she needs our support! Never saw the other (younger) Molly, based on what I had heard in the past. Stick with the amazing Molly. MollyMaze! https://cityxguide.com/escorts/tgif-with-molly-carplay-12962596.
Wolverines
10-05-18, 21:57
Ok so maybe Tatiana hasn't left the area yet.
The buzz is that they are pimp generated. Pimp is trying to hurt their business in order to get the girl to work for him. That is just speculation but it makes total sense because the Ads are identical to the sex trafficking Ad that the ex-pimp for Tatiana (aka Eve Pantera aka Blonde aka Trophy Wife) was posting over and over again. She must have finally left the area but apparently the pimp is still around.
JustMe1973
10-06-18, 09:12
Seems like a porn star would have better pics than what she posted in her ad, and links to video clips.Has anyone had any experience with her? If she's what she represents, is be worth it to me. But sounds a bit TGTBT for $$hr.
MissMollyMaze
10-06-18, 11:20
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Zara's real. The price is rediculous. She is the sweetest girl though. Very nice, amazing looking and does (did) have the tightest. In porn. I've worked with her once when we both shot a scene together. So my opinion on her is different than what might be expected.
Has anyone had any experience with her? If she's what she represents, is be worth it to me. But sounds a bit TGTBT for $$hr.
Slowboatguy.
You have important mail.
Slowboatguy
10-09-18, 08:28
Slowboatguy.
You have important mail.I appreciate your help resolving this sir! I've tried contacting her numerous times and sometimes I get a response, most times I don't. And I think I only got 6 digits in your note.
I appreciate your help resolving this sir! I've tried contacting her numerous times and sometimes I get a response, most times I don't. And I think I only got 6 digits in your note.I copy and pasted them to you.
Sorry didn't notice if it was only 6.
She did say she is on a wifi only phone.
She texted me eager to meetup today. Rare she texts me 1st so I suspect she needs cash badly. I couldn't get out her way today but those of you that have her digits and want a quick BBBJCIM might want to contact her.
I will not share her digits. See Benz for them if you're a senior.
Lilliana is considering becoming active again.
Password for senior members only.
Having an AARP card does not qualify you as a senior member of this forum.
SweetHemiStud
10-14-18, 16:39
Thanks for the heads up on this one.I had vaguely similar experience with her as mentioned by others. Now, this was when I was legit looking for a good massage and good massage only, thought the HE thing only happened at the AMPs and I was looking on CL, not even BP. Thinking of the most legit place to find massage and not escort type service. She provided exactly what I was looking for, it was a pretty decent massage, she has the build to apply the pressure I need. The texting started off with, "I have a dog that I bring to sessions, but he stays closed up in the other room, just want to make sure you don't have any allergies" Then during the massage, like mentioned, she never shut her mouth, but I didn't view it as a deal breaker. She texted me later and mentioned that I weirded her out by the way I looked around the room as we were talking afterwards. I apologized, and stated that I seemed that for 2 reasons, in order to hear the conversation very well, I have to point my ear to towards the person vs looking at the person. And also that I love dogs as previously stated and was looking around for the dog to say Hi and pet him or her. The conv was short lived after that, but I thought everything was good, I thanked her for her time and stated I felt a lot better, etc. And that was all. I texted a few weeks later requesting another appt, and she replied with, "I thought I told you that you gave me anxiety and that I didn't want to see you again". I responded back that she didn't specify that she didn't want to see me again, and that I thought my explanation of why I seemed to be doing what bothered her cleared things up. And that I really enjoyed the massage, it was helpful to my range of motion in my body, etc, but that if she really still felt that way that I would be respectful and not contact her again. It seems like she replied one more time, reiteration not to text her again, so I haven't. But hearing others say how she seems batshit crazy, I definitely felt the same after that conversation.
She texted me eager to meetup today. Rare she texts me 1st so I suspect she needs cash badly. I couldn't get out her way today but those of you that have her digits and want a quick BBBJCIM might want to contact her.
I will not share her digits. See Benz for them if you're a senior.She contacted me too, She knows I have a hobby phone so it was okay To text me.
She has a wifi phone location problem, as most of them do. Contact and set up are difficult with a moving target.
I told her to get a room with wifi and stay there until you make a buck or two.
She's going to take a leap of faith. Rent a room and wait for us to arrive and Polish our knobs.
I think she's going to post on STG with pics to become an escort. Screening might be difficult for her, at first.
I'm Doing my best to encourage her to be the budget minded monger escort on the budget days and raise it on Friday and Saturday.
Jamin Jamie gives good head, Proud of it and Swallows too!
I'm suggesting 60 hhr at a hotel, not a car date. Then 80 Friday and Saturday.
We could be in and out and in and out and in and out for 60. Does this fall into the Budget Monger Zone?
She contacted me too, She knows I have a hobby phone so it was okay To text me.
She has a wifi phone location problem, as most of them do. Contact and set up are difficult with a moving target.
I told her to get a room with wifi and stay there until you make a buck or two.
She's going to take a leap of faith. Rent a room and wait for us to arrive and Polish our knobs.
I think she's going to post on STG with pics to become an escort. Screening might be difficult for her, at first.
I'm Doing my best to encourage her to be the budget minded monger escort on the budget days and raise it on Friday and Saturday.
Jamin Jamie gives good head, Proud of it and Swallows too!
I'm suggesting 60 hhr at a hotel, not a car date. Then 80 Friday and Saturday.
We could be in and out and in and out and in and out for 60. Does this fall into the Budget Monger Zone?Question?
Do we keep her happy as a team effort or should she post on STG, She is trying to safe.
She will need Room rent, Food, cigarettes and condoms. Can we make sure she gets her needs or does she need to post on STG?
I took these pics last night. Some baby damage because she has had some babies, Still looks good to me, What say the team?
SlapShot69
10-16-18, 16:45
Question?
Do we keep her happy as a team effort or should she post on STG, She is trying to safe.
She will need Room rent, Food, cigarettes and condoms. Can we make sure she gets her needs or does she need to post on STG?
I took these pics last night. Some baby damage because she has had some babies, Still looks good to me, What say the team?Gladly help a girl out, pm me digits please.
SwellBaby22
10-16-18, 17:30
Question?
Do we keep her happy as a team effort or should she post on STG, She is trying to safe.
She will need Room rent, Food, cigarettes and condoms. Can we make sure she gets her needs or does she need to post on STG?
I took these pics last night. Some baby damage because she has had some babies, Still looks good to me, What say the team?I can also like to see her! Can you pm the her digits too?
MarcoPoloGr
10-16-18, 18:12
I'm in at the 60/80 price point.
I'm suggesting 60 hhr at a hotel, not a car date. Then 80 Friday and Saturday.
We could be in and out and in and out and in and out for 60. Does this fall into the Budget Monger Zone?
Question?
Do we keep her happy as a team effort or should she post on STG, She is trying to safe.
She will need Room rent, Food, cigarettes and condoms. Can we make sure she gets her needs or does she need to post on STG?
I took these pics last night. Some baby damage because she has had some babies, Still looks good to me, What say the team?I would also be interested, however being a senior memeber doesn't always has it perks. You also mentioned, seniors PM you for digits and password, but I've not successfully ever received any info. So maybe you should word it differently. That you will only give out info to whom you please. So I highly doubt thay this is for "seniors only".
ExecutiveRich
10-17-18, 10:42
I vote that we keep this in-house and support her until she gets her confidence up.
Also it may be good for her to actually respond to Texts, schedule and keep appointments.
Does she not realize that every appointment kept is money in her pocket?
Question?
Do we keep her happy as a team effort or should she post on STG, She is trying to safe.
She will need Room rent, Food, cigarettes and condoms. Can we make sure she gets her needs or does she need to post on STG?
I took these pics last night. Some baby damage because she has had some babies, Still looks good to me, What say the team?
I vote that we keep this in-house and support her until she gets her confidence up.
Also it may be good for her to actually respond to Texts, schedule and keep appointments.
Does she not realize that every appointment kept is money in her pocket?Yes, that's why she's getting a room with wifi.
She has a phone but no service without wifi right now. Maybe if she gets a few dates she will be able to buy some service. I think food and cigs will come first though.
She's getting a room (N.E. GR.) today at 2. Then she will be able to respond using motel wifi.
If you have a hobby phone let her know she can return your text latter.
GrassMan1984
10-17-18, 12:32
I am willing to help keep her UTR. Maybe a little baby damage, but her body looks better than most. The rate and described skills has me very interested. Looking for something this afternoon anyways.
She can pm me here or send me her digits will work.
Love a good UTR girl.
Yes, that's why she's getting a room with wifi.
She has a phone but no service without wifi right now. Maybe if she gets a few dates she will be able to buy some service. I think food and cigs will come first though.
She's getting a room (N.E. GR.) today at 2. Then she will be able to respond using motel wifi.
If you have a hobby phone let her know she can return your text latter.
Yes, that's why she's getting a room with wifi.
She has a phone but no service without wifi right now. Maybe if she gets a few dates she will be able to buy some service. I think food and cigs will come first though.
She's getting a room (N.E. GR.) today at 2. Then she will be able to respond using motel wifi.
If you have a hobby phone let her know she can return your text latter.Mail box is full of regular member requests.
Sorry. This is for senior members only.
She is just starting out. Maybe later guys but not now.
Mail box is always full of this. Please read and respect the post. Thank you.
SpongeBob66
10-17-18, 17:16
Mail box is full of regular member requests.
Sorry. This is for senior members only.
She is just starting out. Maybe later guys but not now.
Mail box is always full of this. Please read and respect the post. Thank you.Would be really nice if Admin would adjust the software to issue an alert (PM or otherwise) when our mailboxes are full instead of needing to learn publicly from others trying to send to us.
I'd also vote for Larger mailboxes--perhaps for members that contribute a lot to this site. AA?
Would be really nice if Admin would adjust the software to issue an alert (PM or otherwise) when our mailboxes are full instead of needing to learn publicly from others trying to send to us.
I'd also vote for Larger mailboxes--perhaps for members that contribute a lot to this site. AA?We already receive an email notification if anyone tries to send a PM while the mailbox is full.
SpongeBob66
10-17-18, 20:56
We already receive an email notification if anyone tries to send a PM while the mailbox is full.Yeah, but the guy with the full mailbox doesn't know his mailbox is full until that person tells him!
JimmyTheKid2
10-18-18, 09:03
Was able to see her yesterday at her numbered motel NE GR. Showed up on time, but she was running about 10 min late. Parked in the back and waited for her to arrive. Kinda convenient because I could scope out the situation for a bit. She pulled into the lot being escorted by a gentleman in the driver's seat (not sure who he is). He stayed in the car as she walked in. I saw her from the back and she looked a little ratty. Pretty sure Crayola doesn't even have a color to describe her hair. Once she finished her cig she walked in and gave me the room number. She seemed to be in her 40's? Not the most attractive lady as Benz pointed out. However, she was very nice and pleasant. Very easy to deal with and willing to please. Poor girl was very nervous at first but settled in after a little convo. French was average at best. Mechanical skills (she thinks she's really good though) and her mouth was so dry I could barely stand it! She said it was because of her meds. Nice person, great communication and easy set up but will not repeat because of performance. 60 ss. Stay safe. JTK.
Was able to see her yesterday at her numbered motel NE GR. Showed up on time, but she was running about 10 min late. Parked in the back and waited for her to arrive. Kinda convenient because I could scope out the situation for a bit. She pulled into the lot being escorted by a gentleman in the driver's seat (not sure who he is). He stayed in the car as she walked in. I saw her from the back and she looked a little ratty. Pretty sure Crayola doesn't even have a color to describe her hair. Once she finished her cig she walked in and gave me the room number. She seemed to be in her 40's? Not the most attractive lady as Benz pointed out. However, she was very nice and pleasant. Very easy to deal with and willing to please. Poor girl was very nervous at first but settled in after a little convo. French was average at best. Mechanical skills (she thinks she's really good though) and her mouth was so dry I could barely stand it! She said it was because of her meds. Nice person, great communication and easy set up but will not repeat because of performance. 60 ss. Stay safe. JTK.Thanks for the review.
I totally agree, she could use some new clothes and spicing up. I focus more on the willingness to please and good attitude than looks.
I can see how she would be mechanical and very nervous on her first day in a motel. My guess is she smoked some weed to relax and got some bad cotton mouth.
She wasn't mechanical for me but I've seen her a few times for car dates too.
Thanks for the thorough review and observations of the whole date. I met her driver (brother), nice guy.
I am confused about one part of the kids review. How can a girl who rents a room to improve service and connection to clients still be late for the date? Most , maybe all of these girls have no sense of timing.
JimmyTheKid2
10-18-18, 10:29
That's a good point Benz. I dunno how she was communicating with me while not at her motel room. Maybe she bought some minutes?
That's a good point Benz. I dunno how she was communicating with me while not at her motel room. Maybe she bought some minutes?She links to her brothers phone as a hot spot. When she gets out of his car she loses contact. That's why she got the room so she could communicate and make money. She has the right attitude and will improve nervous mechanics over some time. She's very relaxed and gives me a great BJ ws. I'm sure a new hair color is on her list too. They probably drove around to smoke a j , then got the cotton mouth. Poor girl needs a break
At 60hhr I thought it was a bargain price for an average girl (back of their heads all look the same) she gave good head with swallow for me. I met Jamie through FB friends of friends, shes not a pro. Just getting started, maybe.
Jimmythekid's review of her appearance is true. She's not a hottie. She's also not charging hottie rates. Not disputing his experience but I think her BJ skills are decent and well worth the fee for the safety of incall with a girl who won't rob you, doesn't have a pimp, won't cheat or upsell you and genuinely wants you to leave satisfied.
She links to her brothers phone as a hot spot. When she gets out of his car she loses contact. That's why she got the room so she could communicate and make money. She has the right attitude and will improve nervous mechanics over some time. She's very relaxed and gives me a great BJ ws. I'm sure a new hair color is on her list too. They probably drove around to smoke a j , then got the cotton mouth. Poor girl needs a break
At 60hhr I thought it was a bargain price for an average girl (back of their heads all look the same) she gave good head with swallow for me. I met Jamie through FB friends of friends, shes not a pro. Just getting started, maybe..
Jimmythekid's review of her appearance is true. She's not a hottie. She's also not charging hottie rates. Not disputing his experience but I think her BJ skills are decent and well worth the fee for the safety of incall with a girl who won't rob you, doesn't have a pimp, won't cheat or upsell you and genuinely wants you to leave satisfied.
.Could not have said it better myself, I think the team is missing out if they don't give a girl(any girl) a chance that's using real pics and trying hard to make a monger happy.
If she had the right clothes, a new up doo, she would probably be charging more to support the salon visits.
There's a lot of fake pics, upsell and rippoffs out there and Jamie is not one of them.
JimmyTheKid2
10-18-18, 14:00
Could not have said it better myself, I think the team is missing out if they don't give a girl(any girl) a chance that's using real pics and trying hard to make a monger happy.
If she had the right clothes, a new up doo, she would probably be charging more to support the salon visits.
There's a lot of fake pics, upsell and rippoffs out there and Jamie is not one of them.I agree with everyone. She will be a great option for others.
Yeah, but the guy with the full mailbox doesn't know his mailbox is full until that person tells him!The person with a full mailbox gets a one-time email warning that someone tried to contact them, but their inbox was full.
I agree with everyone. She will be a great option for others.Thanks for your fair review Jimmy. There's a Jill for every Jack (or John).
Thanks for your fair review Jimmy. There's a Jill for every Jack (or John).I agree, thanks for your review Jimmy.
I've often had the opportunity to share with travelers passing through GR. If they are a senior member of USA they are usually a friend of mine. There is one member that visits from Asia every year and contacts me through PM before he arrives for info and a lot of communication help because he can not travel with his wife and hobby phone.
This site has been helpful for good providers that have moved out of state too. Like the NoNonsenseLady (NNL)
Usasexguide is a useful tool regardless which side of the hobby you're on.
I post real reviews all the time. Holding back doesn't help anyone. If a provider doesn't like what they read then they could take it as constructive criticism and improve. I don't care if she didn't like what I wrote, I'm probably not returning anyway. Let her waste her time blowing up my hobby phone while its turned off. I don't care.
There are a few that have different views of the provider. I believe that's totally possible and I hope everyone writes about their personal experiences. Some like to argue, especially that guy from Detroit. We were happy to see him go back east but all was good because he kept his fighting BS on the Pugilistic thread where it belonged.
This site is Awesome and if you are participating, everyone wins.
Happy Hunting everyone.
I use to see her often when she was renting a lower level office off from Kalamazoo Ave. A little south of 28th street.
I went to Montana an worked in oil field for a bit, tried to look her up, and can't seem to find any recent ads, posts.
It's been about 10/12 months since I've seen her. Prior to that, I'd see her2/3 times a month for a couple years.
Any intel / contact info would be appreciated. I loved her hair cuts and the pampering!!
Please pm me if you can help.
Stay safe guys.
2 track.
Wolverines
10-26-18, 13:39
This article appears to have been provided by STG. Some good info in there. Just thought I would share.
http://skipthegames.com/articles/about-escorts/how-to-identify-fake-escort-ads-and-avoid-scams
Good read. Good tips. Thanks Wolverine.
This article appears to have been provided by STG. Some good info in there. Just thought I would share.
http://skipthegames.com/articles/about-escorts/how-to-identify-fake-escort-ads-and-avoid-scams
I use to see her often when she was renting a lower level office off from Kalamazoo Ave. A little south of 28th street.
I went to Montana an worked in oil field for a bit, tried to look her up, and can't seem to find any recent ads, posts.
It's been about 10/12 months since I've seen her. Prior to that, I'd see her2/3 times a month for a couple years.
Any intel / contact info would be appreciated. I loved her hair cuts and the pampering!!
Please pm me if you can help.
Stay safe guys.
2 track.I understand she is still working, with office near Kalamazoo and 44th Stret and has the same number. The last Ad I could get hold of is below:
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/torie/019460037513
Laptop1000
10-28-18, 19:25
I understand she is still working, with office near Kalamazoo and 44th Stret and has the same number. The last Ad I could get hold of is below:
http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/torie/019460037513Saw her at the Kalamazoo and 28th location a couple years back. Has she lost weight? Sure don't look the same to me.
Answering a comment from a visiting monger from Detroit. Bjlvr419
That might put in The Grand Rapids Inn. Where you might have to sleep upside down with your knees slung over the shower rod to avoid being molested by bed bugs.
On the bright side, there is no need to cruise the strip for hookers. Just walk the courtyard. Maybe Dixie will find a due partner there too.
If I were you, I'd use a credit card and I. D. To get away from the scummy notels littered with drugs and attracting LE.
A good night sleep is priceless.
Saint Augustin
11-13-18, 22:51
I liked her the few times I saw her. The link no longer is valid, so if she is still around we'll have to find her another way.
Saw her at the Kalamazoo and 28th location a couple years back. Has she lost weight? Sure don't look the same to me.
12 steps for TOFTT.
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 4).
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on Google Image.
1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching.
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Inform her if you are going to be late. If you're arriving early, contact the provider from a gas station a block away, so you and your vehicle do not raise suspicion. While waiting for her response, go in the bathroom and wash your balls while you wait. (providers biggest complaint is Hygiene). Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Check every room for safety.
Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing.
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1.
My latest visit with Valley Girl was awesome, getting my hair cut on my next visit, she insisted that I need some manscaping. She would rather focus on giving great head than flossing her teeth.
She's much more available now. She prefers to stay UTR because she's working out of her family home with restricted times while her kids are in school from 9 am to 4 pm Monday thru Thursday and 24/7 Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Experienced Mongers know how to treat a UTR provider working in their home. If you have any questions on how it works please see the 12 step guide below for TOFTT. No need to worry or screen the Valley Girl but please pay attention to step 8, Whenever seeing a provider you know or are just meeting for the first time.
You can get Valley Girl Digits from Edmonger, Assman45 or myself Benz1. Through PM.
I've long admired the Detroit SC sceen but have never been. I've read the Detroit forum and have a general consensus on what, where and how.
My question is: Has anyone from this side of the state gone to a Detroit SC and had an outstanding time or is there an overwhelming feeling of regret in wishing they would have stayed with an escort here? Bang for the buck speaking. I realize we have a non existent SC club seen in GR but it's my take we make up for it (or have in the past) with an abundance of better "quality mileage" escort tallent here. I generally have more time on my hands this time of year and I can easily make the 2.5 hr trip but wondering if any of you other experienced mongers have had the same delema and leaned one way or the other?
JimmyTheKid2
11-15-18, 15:36
I've long admired the Detroit SC sceen but have never been. I've read the Detroit forum and have a general consensus on what, where and how.
My question is: Has anyone from this side of the state gone to a Detroit SC and had an outstanding time or is there an overwhelming feeling of regret in wishing they would have stayed with an escort here? Bang for the buck speaking. I realize we have a non existent SC club seen in GR but it's my take we make up for it (or have in the past) with an abundance of better "quality mileage" escort tallent here. I generally have more time on my hands this time of year and I can easily make the 2.5 hr trip but wondering if any of you other experienced mongers have had the same delema and leaned one way or the other?I had a great time in Detroit. Definitely do your research before you go. My favorite was Cricket. You can find a good looking girl there and get good extras for a reasonable price (YMMV). I highly highly suggest visiting tuscl.net. That site will give you all the info and reviews you need.
I've long admired the Detroit SC sceen but have never been. I've read the Detroit forum and have a general consensus on what, where and how.
My question is: Has anyone from this side of the state gone to a Detroit SC and had an outstanding time or is there an overwhelming feeling of regret in wishing they would have stayed with an escort here? Bang for the buck speaking. I realize we have a non existent SC club seen in GR but it's my take we make up for it (or have in the past) with an abundance of better "quality mileage" escort tallent here. I generally have more time on my hands this time of year and I can easily make the 2.5 hr trip but wondering if any of you other experienced mongers have had the same delema and leaned one way or the other?Over 5 years ago I had good luck at Cheetahs in Lansing now it's called Gentleman club or something. Use to go on weekday afternoons hardly any guys in the club, the girls were thirsty. Got a BJ on the couch more than once on a Tuesday afternoon.
I've long admired the Detroit SC sceen but have never been. I've read the Detroit forum and have a general consensus on what, where and how.
My question is: Has anyone from this side of the state gone to a Detroit SC and had an outstanding time or is there an overwhelming feeling of regret in wishing they would have stayed with an escort here? Bang for the buck speaking. I realize we have a non existent SC club seen in GR but it's my take we make up for it (or have in the past) with an abundance of better "quality mileage" escort tallent here. I generally have more time on my hands this time of year and I can easily make the 2.5 hr trip but wondering if any of you other experienced mongers have had the same delema and leaned one way or the other?I usually go about once every month or two. Sometimes I'll call in sick to work and hit the day shift at BT's Dearborn or Cricket. I usually bring about 4-5 bills with me and hit the VIP at least twice per visit. I enjoy being able to pick the talent on the spot and knowing that if the first girl doesn't quite satisfy that there are others to choose from right there.
I usually go about once every month or two. Sometimes I'll call in sick to work and hit the day shift at BT's Dearborn or Cricket. I usually bring about 4-5 bills with me and hit the VIP at least twice per visit. I enjoy being able to pick the talent on the spot and knowing that if the first girl doesn't quite satisfy that there are others to choose from right there.I went to the Landing Strip a while back on a quiet afternoon, sat down and within 15 minutes I was in the VIP with a tatted hottie, BBBJ, covered FS, very enjoyable but negotiate how many songs so they don't cut it short. Something about about banging a hottie in a strip club that's hott. Total out the door including a drink, valet was 170. Always negotiate before you get in the back.
Thanks for the input guys. Looks like a road trip is in order.
Hey Slik.
Your mailbox is full.
https://fox17online.com/2018/11/20/hundreds-of-men-solicit-woman-for-sex-due-to-phone-number-typo/
Damn, no wonder she didn't get back to me.
https://fox17online.com/2018/11/20/hundreds-of-men-solicit-woman-for-sex-due-to-phone-number-typo/
Maybe its time to share those apps we all like to use in order to not use your phone. Some like google, some like something else. Please share what works for you.
Maybe its time to share those apps we all like to use in order to not use your phone. Some like google, some like something else. Please share what works for you.I use Text Free. Got to chose my number and texting and phone work great.
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Spartan191
11-21-18, 15:07
Damn, no wonder she didn't get back to me.What's on the menu.
She can maybe quit her day job.
Hope everybody gets all the breasts they can handle.
To quote Kevin James from King of Queens many moons ago: "Here's to my favorite holiday (Thanksgiving) because it has Food, Friends, and Fuc... Sex". Gotta love it.
Hope everybody gets all the breasts they can handle.
To quote Kevin James from King of Queens many moons ago: "Here's to my favorite holiday (Thanksgiving) because it has Food, Friends, and Fuc... Sex". Gotta love it.Thank you Girls1.
Yes, I have a plan I would like to share.
All the women want to start their shopping early today.
I already have 6 pm plans with a utr.
I'm telling the wife I'll help her shop this year, we can divide and conquer.
I get the one item near my UTR and tell the wife the lines were terrible and my cashiers register broke too. That's why it took so long. (Only if she askes) never offer more info than you need to.
Hopefully our favorite ladies are offering Black Friday deals instead of going out shopping for themselves.
My wife has always told me she likes a man with a plan. Lol.
I have a plan.
Happy Hunting.
Thank you Girls1.
Yes, I have a plan I would like to share.
All the women want to start their shopping early today.
I already have 6 pm plans with a utr.
I'm telling the wife I'll help her shop this year, we can divide and conquer.
I get the one item near my UTR and tell the wife the lines were terrible and my cashiers register broke too. That's why it took so long. (Only if she askes) never offer more info than you need to.
Hopefully our favorite ladies are offering Black Friday deals instead of going out shopping for themselves.
My wife has always told me she likes a man with a plan. Lol.
I have a plan.
Happy Hunting.New code "BFD" Black Friday deal haha.
That time of year again. Lakeshorehoney needs Christmas money. Private incall in Granville 9 am to 3 pm. Weekdays.
60 SS from a skilled BBW.
I have digits.
Member #6094
11-24-18, 09:38
If your anything like me texting or calling a provider you never met or don't know anything about you want some answers. I've noticed a lot of these females specifically say not to ask a lot of questions. Which I completely understand they probably go through a lot of crap. For those of you whoToftt how do you insure yourself these women aren't aunt and uncle LEO?
I like to ask about 5 questions before deciding to take my chances. How else do I approach these providers?
If your anything like me texting or calling a provider you never met or don't know anything about you want some answers. I've noticed a lot of these females specifically say not to ask a lot of questions. Which I completely understand they probably go through a lot of crap. For those of you whoToftt how do you insure yourself these women aren't aunt and uncle LEO?
I like to ask about 5 questions before deciding to take my chances. How else do I approach these providers?Some of the answers to your questions are on page 2. Post 2846.
Seeking knowledge? Read USA everyday and seek the knowledge you need.
Just in case you don't know how to get to page 2, Click this link.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3743-General-Reports/page2
When I ask questions, I found its easier using text. I tell them, Kandi offers me a wonderful girl friend experience with BBBJ and swallowing and multiple shots on our date. Then I ask " will I be happy with your services?" They just have to answer yes or no. CFS is expected but the BBBJ is not so the question of BBBJ lets you know if she is willing to go the extra mile on your date.
Hope you find page 2, Hope this Helps, Happy Hunting
Text now has worked great for me.
Maybe its time to share those apps we all like to use in order to not use your phone. Some like google, some like something else. Please share what works for you.
Text now has worked great for me.Text plus is another good option.
Wolverines
11-26-18, 12:48
Textfree, TextNow and Talkatone are some others.
Text plus is another good option.
Textfree, TextNow and Talkatone are some others.Are they wifi only? I see issues with "call me when you get here".
Wolverines
11-26-18, 13:21
Guys who toftt are the most valuable contributors to this forum because there is a higher than usual amount of risk. When you are talking to the provider you do not want to talk too much about services or money because you don't know for sure who you are talking with. Assuming you have some idea of her services based off her online Ad I would focus on her rate since this is probably not posted. Find out what she is charging but keep it higher level. In other words ask her how much for a half hour appointment. Don't ask her how much for a hh BBBJ, hh full service, etc. And once you arrive do not pay up front. This can be difficult as some of the girls will ask for the donation up front. But at a first time meeting like that they are putting themselves, and you, at risk. Just explain that to them. One of those guys who got busted up north this summer said that when he entered the room the provider kept her back to him and told him to place the money on the night stand. She never even showed her face. Unusual behavior like that is definitely a sign to get the hell out of dodge. But regardless, by paying at the end of the appointment you avoid this scenario.
Definitely do not send the provider a picture of the donation as this is a trick LEO will use. And don't talk about going to the ATM to get money for the appointment. Both of these show your intent to pay for services.
If your anything like me texting or calling a provider you never met or don't know anything about you want some answers. I've noticed a lot of these females specifically say not to ask a lot of questions. Which I completely understand they probably go through a lot of crap. For those of you whoToftt how do you insure yourself these women aren't aunt and uncle LEO?
I like to ask about 5 questions before deciding to take my chances. How else do I approach these providers?
Some of the answers to your questions are on page 2. Post 2846.
Seeking knowledge? Read USA everyday and seek the knowledge you need.
Just in case you don't know how to get to page 2, Click this link.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3743-General-Reports/page2
When I ask questions, I found its easier using text. I tell them, Kandi offers me a wonderful girl friend experience with BBBJ and swallowing and multiple shots on our date. Then I ask " will I be happy with your services?" They just have to answer yes or no. CFS is expected but the BBBJ is not so the question of BBBJ lets you know if she is willing to go the extra mile on your date.
Hope you find page 2, Hope this Helps, Happy HuntingI don't like the idea of anything in writing AT ALL, for me text needs to be simply to secure the appointment. I sure don't want to mention code letters or really any reference to sexual activities if I can help it. Much better to do that convo in person once you are sure who you are dealing with, or at the very least. And very carefully. Over the phone. If it is aunt or uncle LEO they will either have written or recorded evidence of your intent. With Benz approach above as long as money is not mentioned you might have at least a fighting chance to win a case. All that said, I don't know the answer to Grizzly's question about the best way to ask questions before meeting someone whom you have absolutely no information about and nothing has ever been reported on the board. Takes lotsa guts and a bit more risk to TOFTT and be the first to report, for sure.
I don't like the idea of anything in writing AT ALL, for me text needs to be simply to secure the appointment. I sure don't want to mention code letters or really any reference to sexual activities if I can help it. Much better to do that convo in person once you are sure who you are dealing with, or at the very least. And very carefully. Over the phone. If it is aunt or uncle LEO they will either have written or recorded evidence of your intent. With Benz approach above as long as money is not mentioned you might have at least a fighting chance to win a case. All that said, I don't know the answer to Grizzly's question about the best way to ask questions before meeting someone whom you have absolutely no information about and nothing has ever been reported on the board. Takes lotsa guts and a bit more risk to TOFTT and be the first to report, for sure.My texting is only after I've done the research on the number and ad. If you read the 12 steps on page 2 (I'll move it to page 1) it says track the ad for 2 or 3 days before texting because most Rip offs and LE don't post the same ad and number for 3 days in a row. A TOFTT effort requires research. Do not wake up on Friday / I want to fuck and find a new girl on STG. Chances are it will not be good.
My reference to texting is only after I reach step 5. I've done it many times . One thing I could ad is that most LE stings in a hotel room are using 2 rooms connected. take a few laps around the parking lot look for those special antennas that undercover cars have. Then ask the clerk at the desk if room number 101 is a connected room to another, If yes. Don't go see that Hoe.
Just trying to help
12 steps for TOFTT.
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 4).
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on Google Image.
1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching.
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Inform her if you are going to be late. If you're arriving early, contact the provider from a gas station a block away, so you and your vehicle do not raise suspicion. While waiting for her response, go in the bathroom and wash your balls while you wait. (providers biggest complaint is Hygiene). Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Check every room for safety.
Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing.
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1.Hope this helps.
Brook Billions update.
Providers have to think about security as often as we do. That's why some move around and some go UTR.
Brooke Billions is doing both and is not seeing anyone unless you've seen her before or get a password through Benz1.
She has temporarily moved to the west side.
Brooke realizes, during the Christmas season our wives have snatched up all our monger money.
She's running a special for the Budget Minded Monger (BMM).
Car Dates for 40 BBBJCIM, 80 CFS.
She's just asking you to keep the car running and the heat on so her nipples don't get too cold and hard. Then everyone will be happy except your wife.
Happy Hunting and Merry fucking Christmas.
ChastD1959
11-26-18, 23:54
Brook Billions update.
Providers have to think about security as often as we do. That's why some move around and some go UTR.
Brooke Billions is doing both and is not seeing anyone unless you've seen her before or get a password through Benz1.
She has temporarily moved to the west side.
Brooke realizes, during the Christmas season our wives have snatched up all our monger money.
She's running a special for the Budget Minded Monger (BMM).
Car Dates for 40 BBBJCIM, 80 CFS.
She's just asking you to keep the car running and the heat on so her nipples don't get too cold and hard. Then everyone will be happy except your wife.
Happy Hunting and Merry fucking Christmas.While I don't doubt you for a minute, She sure has posted adds a lot lately. She's definitely on my wish list.
While I don't doubt you for a minute, She sure has posted adds a lot lately. She's definitely on my wish list.Girls who reduce their appointments, only seeing regulars clients, often post as a reminder to her clients that she's still working but won't answer the phone unless she knows the number calling.
If someone new wants to see her she wants to make sure it's a safe date, passwords through trusted friends is a good referral system.
Pics are real
Hap Hunter
11-27-18, 02:19
I don't like the idea of anything in writing AT ALL, for me text needs to be simply to secure the appointment. I sure don't want to mention code letters or really any reference to sexual activities if I can help it. Much better to do that convo in person once you are sure who you are dealing with, or at the very least. And very carefully. Over the phone. If it is aunt or uncle LEO they will either have written or recorded evidence of your intent. With Benz approach above as long as money is not mentioned you might have at least a fighting chance to win a case. All that said, I don't know the answer to Grizzly's question about the best way to ask questions before meeting someone whom you have absolutely no information about and nothing has ever been reported on the board. Takes lotsa guts and a bit more risk to TOFTT and be the first to report, for sure.All excellent points. Burner phones though allow the text capabilities.
A couple long time SP have told me that a LEO sign will be the SP asks you to bring a cover. Recon of the area before entering a notel is a must. When meeting the SP do the LEO check of each other. I have her grab my guy while I grab her parts. Keep the Spidey senses high no matter your experience.
Stay safe!
SteveStone123
11-27-18, 04:10
Are they wifi only? I see issues with "call me when you get here".They are all wifi ones. But there is an option to buy their plans. But if you already have a data plan in your smart phone then you should be good. The best part is you can switch numbers often.
Wolverines
11-27-18, 23:38
On your personal cell phone if you have a data plan or are connected to wireless then you will be able to text with the burner numbers via these apps. Making and receiving calls using the burner numbers can be iffy. The calls can be choppy or can end abruptly. If the provider wants to call you just let her know you are using a burner number and it might not work. She will most likely understand. Google voice numbers are reliable in making calls however you would want to make sure that the google account associated with that google voice number is not linked to a gmail address that you use to contact friends, family or co-workers. And make sure the google account is not registered to your real name. In other words you would want a burner google account.
If you want the next level of security then get a burner phone. Pay for it with cash and pay for the minutes with cash.
Are they wifi only? I see issues with "call me when you get here".
I'm just getting back into the hunt after a year long hiatus. Are face pics a new thing that a lot of girls are asking for? I've stopped communicating with 3 girls now because they insisted on a face pic. There's no way, no how a girl is getting my face on "film". I'll send out dick pics all day but my face is shy. Anyone else running into this or is it just me?
John.
Don't agree to this. It's bs. Plenty of decent girls not asking for I'd info. We are all refusing this. When they have no biz it will end, trust me.
I'm just getting back into the hunt after a year long hiatus. Are face pics a new thing that a lot of girls are asking for? I've stopped communicating with 3 girls now because they insisted on a face pic. There's no way, no how a girl is getting my face on "film". I'll send out dick pics all day but my face is shy. Anyone else running into this or is it just me?
John.
Don't agree to this. It's bs. Plenty of decent girls not asking for I'd info. We are all refusing this. When they have no biz it will end, trust me.Its been my experience that many times when providers are requesting a face pic, its because they have told one or several "someone's" that they are no longer "providing". Be it they have led this person to believe they are "exclusive" (in an attempt to get more $$) or they have become "involved" with a jon that she's trying to keep a secret from. They will request a face pic to make sure its not their (in) significant other before agreeing to a date. This is an attempt (on their part) to protect the relationship with their larger "cash cows" in the pasture or perhaps they are using this person, posing as their "girlfriend" so that they have a nice place to live and are afforded many luxuries that they wouldn't have otherwise (living out of hotels). Seen it many times, including being on the opposite end of it when a provider claimed she was developing feelings for me. I fell for it, but began noticing lots of things that were just "off". Long periods of dead air time when she would not answer calls or texts, gone for days, even weeks at a time. I became suspicious and downloaded a text app and began texting her from the app. Once I busted her out a couple of times, she started asking for a pic as soon as she would get a text inquiring about a "date". There are also many of these providers who have legal issues or active cases that involve or could impact their parenting time with their children. Say someone sends an anonymous link to one of her ads to CPS and they begin an investigation and suspend her parenting rights. And yes, there are even those who are likely working with law enforcement but I don't think that just because they ask for a picture of you that it automatically should be assumed that they are. Be smart about it.
Wolverines
11-29-18, 22:55
I have had this request a few times. I always tell them there is no way I am sending my picture.
I'm just getting back into the hunt after a year long hiatus. Are face pics a new thing that a lot of girls are asking for? I've stopped communicating with 3 girls now because they insisted on a face pic. There's no way, no how a girl is getting my face on "film". I'll send out dick pics all day but my face is shy. Anyone else running into this or is it just me?
John.
I have had this request a few times. I always tell them there is no way I am sending my picture.I don't say anything. I just laugh.
Its been my experience that many times when providers are requesting a face pic, its because they have told one or several "someone's" that they are no longer "providing". Be it they have led this person to believe they are "exclusive" (in an attempt to get more $$) or they have become "involved" with a jon that she's trying to keep a secret from. They will request a face pic to make sure its not their (in) significant other before agreeing to a date. This is an attempt (on their part) to protect the relationship with their larger "cash cows" in the pasture or perhaps they are using this person, posing as their "girlfriend" so that they have a nice place to live and are afforded many luxuries that they wouldn't have otherwise (living out of hotels). Seen it many times, including being on the opposite end of it when a provider claimed she was developing feelings for me. I fell for it, but began noticing lots of things that were just "off". Long periods of dead air time when she would not answer calls or texts, gone for days, even weeks at a time. I became suspicious and downloaded a text app and began texting her from the app. Once I busted her out a couple of times, she started asking for a pic as soon as she would get a text inquiring about a "date". There are also many of these providers who have legal issues or active cases that involve or could impact their parenting time with their children. Say someone sends an anonymous link to one of her ads to CPS and they begin an investigation and suspend her parenting rights. And yes, there are even those who are likely working with law enforcement but I don't think that just because they ask for a picture of you that it automatically should be assumed that they are. Be smart about it.Wouldn't it be easy for LE to bust the idiot who sent their face picture to match up with their request for an appointment. Never, ever send face pic or even a dic pic, anything that could identify you and match you up with the appointment where you have agreed to exchange dollars for sexual favors!
The girl you described above that was asking guys to send a picture to screen out a boyfriend sounds pretty stupid. If a boyfriend suspected it was her in an advertisement that didn't include her picture, or he wanted to schedule an appointment with her to "bust" her for hooking on him. Unless he was dumber than her he would just send a picture of someone else to secure the appointment.
Member #6094
11-30-18, 13:19
So I had some free time today and texted just about every real woman on skipthegames. I only got 2 responses out of like 30 different texts. Skipthegames is nothing but a game. I have been browsing cityxguide as well with the same outcome. Are there any other sites anyone can provide me with to find women who respond. What I'd do for CL casual encounters right now. I am also in need of a reliable lady who isn't afraid of car dates and who can meet me on occasion at Night before work if anyone has suggestions on any of this it would be greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays may your jingle bells ring.
So I had an appointment the other day I can't get out of my head. I walked in and the girl to my surprise wound up being someone I went to school with and also friends on social media. She has always been a nice person and we where friendly back in the day, but she was also always unstable. On social media she talks a lot about being broke. In the past we have sent an occasional non hobby related private message usually about nothing. I went forward with the appointment, didn't haggle, and had a good time. I would normally repeat.
My concern is that on social media I have a very public S. O, family, and career. I did ask her if everything was going to be cool and she reassured me. So far no issues, but I have a lot of regret and anxiety over this.
Any thoughts on how I can maintain leverage?
Or how have you handled your self if you have been blackmailed in the past?
So I had some free time today and texted just about every real woman on skipthegames. I only got 2 responses out of like 30 different texts. Skipthegames is nothing but a game. I have been browsing cityxguide as well with the same outcome. Are there any other sites anyone can provide me with to find women who respond. What I'd do for CL casual encounters right now. I am also in need of a reliable lady who isn't afraid of car dates and who can meet me on occasion at Night before work if anyone has suggestions on any of this it would be greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays may your jingle bells ring.I saw her years ago, and I hear that she still provides. SexyKris would be a good choice.
Wolverines
11-30-18, 21:20
Weekends can be difficult especially these days when the pickins are slim. I would say focus on the CityXGuide Verified providers. And you may want to consider a sugar arrangement. There is a forum for that under the Grand Rapids section.
So I had some free time today and texted just about every real woman on skipthegames. I only got 2 responses out of like 30 different texts. Skipthegames is nothing but a game. I have been browsing cityxguide as well with the same outcome. Are there any other sites anyone can provide me with to find women who respond. What I'd do for CL casual encounters right now. I am also in need of a reliable lady who isn't afraid of car dates and who can meet me on occasion at Night before work if anyone has suggestions on any of this it would be greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays may your jingle bells ring.
So I had an appointment the other day I can't get out of my head. I walked in and the girl to my surprise wound up being someone I went to school with and also friends on social media. She has always been a nice person and we where friendly back in the day, but she was also always unstable. On social media she talks a lot about being broke. In the past we have sent an occasional non hobby related private message usually about nothing. I went forward with the appointment, didn't haggle, and had a good time. I would normally repeat.
My concern is that on social media I have a very public S. O, family, and career. I did ask her if everything was going to be cool and she reassured me. So far no issues, but I have a lot of regret and anxiety over this.
Any thoughts on how I can maintain leverage?
Or how have you handled your self if you have been blackmailed in the past?Unfortunately this problem is part of the everyday risk in this hobby.
Years ago I was escorted to a massage table by Mommsen, I was face down when the girl started the massage. On the flip we both realized we knew each other. Ended fine and we never connected again.
Another time I went to a hotel room and she recognized me, I did not recognize her because I knew her as a teenager, it Went well without any problems. We have seen each other a lot since then. What the hell, make the best of it.
I also use to see a very popular provider in the hobby that was on my step daughter's FB, She never recognized me (I think) I saw her about 20 times maybe more. Worked for me.
1 provider has formally met my wife and another bumped into us at a restaurant. (so far no problems).
The NoNonsenseLady has met most of my family except my wife and I would not worry if she ever did meet my wife. She is so cool about everything, not only a great provider, an Awesome friend that I miss very much since she moved to San Diego. She has helped me a lot in this hobby. Taught me how to identify all the red flags about providers and many other things necessary to navigate through the hobby too.
What I'm trying to say is it will probably happen again. It's a risk we take.
Most providers do not want the world to know what they're doing. If they expose you, they expose themselves too.
Your girl could be one of our weekend worriers that has a job and a real life outside of the hobby too.
If she's not a drug user, has a real job and you liked the appointment, I would see her again. It's hard to find honest trustworthy providers that we like. If there is any damage, it's already done. Make the best of it. That's just me.
As far as the blackmail, That will usually depend if the girl is using Drugs, in their mind anything goes to get the drugs.
The only time a girl attempted to blackmail me, I was playing captain save a hoe and thought I could get it cheaper if I made her my girlfriend. WRONG. Women are always looking at what's in it for them, just like we are. When the women are on drugs they will make sure they get what they need. Even if it means blackmail. She wasn't successful (that's a long story). The attempted blackmail happened before Benz was born.
The blackmail attempt is permanently resolved now. She died in July of 2018. I'm sure it was drug related. She had a Doctor prescribing anything she needed.
In closing, I Should have Listened to my dads advice. " The cheapest piece of ass you will ever have is the one you pay for, you know what the cost is up front. " My dad was a great mentor and would have loved this site.
Happy hunting and stay safe.
Hope this helps.
Unfortunately this problem is part of the everyday risk in this hobby.
Years ago I was escorted to a massage table by Mommsen, I was face down when the girl started the massage. On the flip we both realized we knew each other. Ended fine and we never connected again.
Another time I went to a hotel room and she recognized me, I did not recognize her because I knew her as a teenager, it Went well without any problems. We have seen each other a lot since then. What the hell, make the best of it.
I also use to see a very popular provider in the hobby that was on my step daughter's FB, She never recognized me (I think) I saw her about 20 times maybe more. Worked for me.
1 provider has formally met my wife and another bumped into us at a restaurant. (so far no problems).
The NoNonsenseLady has met most of my family except my wife and I would not worry if she ever did meet my wife. She is so cool about everything, not only a great provider, an Awesome friend that I miss very much since she moved to San Diego. She has helped me a lot in this hobby. Taught me how to identify all the red flags about providers and many other things necessary to navigate through the hobby too.
What I'm trying to say is it will probably happen again. It's a risk we take...Thanks for the reply. Without naming names, can you please be as detailed as possible about your blackmail.
What did she say? What was her method of communication and threat? How did you handle it?
It might not only help me, but others that could wind up in this position.
So I had an appointment the other day I can't get out of my head. I walked in and the girl to my surprise wound up being someone I went to school with and also friends on social media. She has always been a nice person and we where friendly back in the day, but she was also always unstable. On social media she talks a lot about being broke. In the past we have sent an occasional non hobby related private message usually about nothing. I went forward with the appointment, didn't haggle, and had a good time. I would normally repeat.
My concern is that on social media I have a very public S. O, family, and career. I did ask her if everything was going to be cool and she reassured me. So far no issues, but I have a lot of regret and anxiety over this.
Any thoughts on how I can maintain leverage?
Or how have you handled your self if you have been blackmailed in the past?It's very doubtful this girl will try to blackmail you, considering you do know her and presumably some of her friends since you went to school with them. Unfortunately if she is a member here and were to read this you might have given her an idea that you are vulnerable and a possible mark if she is desperate for money. If she does contact you for money in exchange for silence I would recommend not falling for it or threatening her back, just ignore it. Most threats never are followed through on. If she actually does "out you" just deny and reference the fact that she's broke and unstable, I'm sure anyone that knows her would also know she's unstable. I'm assuming she doesn't actually have any hard proof that you paid her for sex. If she has proof of some sort that means you weren't being very careful in the beginning by giving her something hard she can blackmail with (like a real phone number text, a picture, phone records of calls to a real phone number of yours, etc.). In that case, I would play hardball with her and not give in to her demands, it's still unlikely she will follow through and if she does you just have to take the medicine you earned.
The comment that you have "alot of regret and anxiety over this" is probably a bigger concern you should address than the remote possibiility she might blackmail you. I would recommend serious introspection and maybe a good counselor.
Thanks for the reply. Without naming names, can you please be as detailed as possible about your blackmail.
What did she say? What was her method of communication and threat? How did you handle it?
It might not only help me, but others that could wind up in this position.I like Blackfire's advice for you better than mine.
In my earlier post I mentioned how I would handle it if it was me. Meeting people you know will happen again to me, you and others too.
If I give info of how I thrawted a providers attempt to black mail me, it will prepare all providers reading this on how we might react. Everything said is best left to PM. If and when it happens send me a message.
There are a lot of variables about both parties that make each situation different from the others.
I can not anticipate the thoughts or reactions of any woman but if it's a drug addict they become more predictable.
However if she can detect a lot of fear, you have lost all negotiations before it starts. This hobby requires some negotiating and navigating skills at many different levels, sometimes you need ice in your veins.
If you are losing sleep over something that hasn't happened yet, listen to Blackfire, get some counseling.
HollandGuy73
12-01-18, 13:48
So I had an appointment the other day I can't get out of my head. I walked in and the girl to my surprise wound up being someone I went to school with and also friends on social media. She has always been a nice person and we where friendly back in the day, but she was also always unstable. On social media she talks a lot about being broke. In the past we have sent an occasional non hobby related private message usually about nothing. I went forward with the appointment, didn't haggle, and had a good time. I would normally repeat.
My concern is that on social media I have a very public S. O, family, and career. I did ask her if everything was going to be cool and she reassured me. So far no issues, but I have a lot of regret and anxiety over this.
Any thoughts on how I can maintain leverage?
Or how have you handled your self if you have been blackmailed in the past?How about sharing info on the provider. If she provided a quality service, and you left satisfied perhaps you should share with the forum.
Picture, link to ad etc would be appreciated I'm sure.
My wife insisted I get a haircut this week. She wanted me to get it before Thanksgiving. I tried but the girl in the Valley was all tied up the whole week before Thanksgiving. That's what happens with the good ones.
This morning my wife left me a note with 20 bucks on the counter saying Get a Haircut.
Fortunately The girl in the Valley was available today.
Got the trifecta again. Hair cut, Manscaping and BBBJ / ws.
I had to add a few more dollars to my wife's 20 for the extra services.
Next time I'll have the Valley Girl print a receipt and bill my wife for the whole amount.
I had difficulty getting an appointment closer to the Holiday, she's a busy girl.
If you want the trifecta before Christmas, I'd start texting now.
You can get VG digits through Edmonger, Assman45 or Benz1
SlapShot69
12-04-18, 08:55
My wife insisted I get a haircut this week. She wanted me to get it before Thanksgiving. I tried but the girl in the Valley was all tied up the whole week before Thanksgiving. That's what happens with the good ones.
This morning my wife left me a note with 20 bucks on the counter saying Get a Haircut.
Fortunately The girl in the Valley was available today.
Got the trifecta again. Hair cut, Manscaping and BBBJ / ws.
I had to add a few more dollars to my wife's 20 for the extra services.
Next time I'll have the Valley Girl print a receipt and bill my wife for the whole amount.
I had difficulty getting an appointment closer to the Holiday, she's a busy girl.
If you want the trifecta before Christmas, I'd start texting now.
You can get VG digits through Edmonger, Assman45 or Benz1Getting your wife to financially support your hobby. Benz you have achieved superior status! I have always wanted to try a haircut from her, but I get mine cut from the same stylist my wife goes to, so not sure how I could pull that off. I'll definately get in to see her for the extras though!
LikeVariety
12-12-18, 03:59
It's hard to screen someone that you have never seen before and has not been reported here recently. Just because she was given the OK a year ago don't mean she has not gotten in trouble and is now working for the other team. Keep in mind LE can say anything.
And it is OK. So just because they say they not LE that don't mean anything. Lot of SP will try to tell you that LE can't say that but they can. Only thing LE can't so is commit a crime and they can not mention money for services first. Anything else they can do. Best screen I have used is require at least one nude pic of provider be sent. Cops can't do this because they have no way of knowing if the person on the other end is over the age of 18. LE can't send the pic because of that and it help show that provider is same person as person in pics in ad and that she likely will follow through with appt. If she not willing to send that type of pic what makes you believe she will be willing to do much more in person. Some so refuse to send. In that case I opt for one that will.
They don't need to show much. One nipple is enough. Hopefully you find this helpful.
I don't like the idea of anything in writing AT ALL, for me text needs to be simply to secure the appointment. I sure don't want to mention code letters or really any reference to sexual activities if I can help it. Much better to do that convo in person once you are sure who you are dealing with, or at the very least. And very carefully. Over the phone. If it is aunt or uncle LEO they will either have written or recorded evidence of your intent. With Benz approach above as long as money is not mentioned you might have at least a fighting chance to win a case. All that said, I don't know the answer to Grizzly's question about the best way to ask questions before meeting someone whom you have absolutely no information about and nothing has ever been reported on the board. Takes lotsa guts and a bit more risk to TOFTT and be the first to report, for sure.
OrallVrForU
12-12-18, 14:10
This area might be better for the good old day comments and pics.
Enjoy the flashback.
Dave.
Member #6094
12-13-18, 07:46
I am a third shifter looking for a reliable provider who is up and answers her phone around 630 am if anyway can help with suggestions it would be greatly appreciated. I've texted and called a few and I never get any responses. Grand Rapids and north.
It's that time of year again and they all need extra Christmas money. Escorts and MP girls will be willing to go the extra mile for just a few extra dollars.
That's why Lilliana is active again.
I have digits and password for Frenz for Benz.
It's that time of year again and they all need extra Christmas money. Escorts and MP girls will be willing to go the extra mile for just a few extra dollars.
That's why Lilliana is active again.
I have digits and password for Frenz for Benz.I always see her in her sweat pants and slippers, had lunch with her yesterday. No make up for me LOL.
I told her we needed some recent pics. So here you go.
GrassMan1984
12-13-18, 14:22
This area might be better for the good old day comments and pics.
Enjoy the flashback.
Dave.I do miss Linz. She set the bar high. I didn't have the pleasure of the others. At least not that I can remember. Who are they?
It's that time of year again and they all need extra Christmas money. Escorts and MP girls will be willing to go the extra mile for just a few extra dollars.
That's why Lilliana is active again.
I have digits and password for Frenz for Benz.Lilliana is a sweat heart. I saw her a couple of weeks ago and had a great time.
Member #5850
12-13-18, 16:50
I always see her in her sweat pants and slippers, had lunch with her yesterday. No make up for me LOL.
I told her we needed some recent pics. So here you go.She is a looker. Does she provide massage or Escort? Or, both?
She is a looker. Does she provide massage or Escort? Or, both?Not just a looker, She's very sweet and unique.
Your mileage may very depending on on hygiene and charm.
She's a Lesbian, needs some extra money for the holidays. She does this every Christmas season. Then Poof disappears.
She's a personal friend, we have lunch about once a week. She prefers staying safe by seeing Frenz of Benz.
Wolverines
12-15-18, 01:52
Hey Oral, the first two pictures are Scorchy. What about the others?
This area might be better for the good old day comments and pics.
Enjoy the flashback.
Dave.
OrallVrForU
12-15-18, 08:57
Hey Oral, the first two pictures are Scorchy. What about the others?Counterclockwise the very hot and young Vasara. Next is one Jazmin who was a dynamo and perfect tits and the Juliebaby from Lansing. Anybody remember the tall blonde Sweet Paris / Stephanie!? She's in Florida but I told her to make a visit up our way as a lot of guys miss the good talent. We shall see.
OrallVrForU
12-15-18, 09:02
Hey Oral, the first two pictures are Scorchy. What about the others?Counterclockwise the very hot and young Vasara. Next is one Jazmin who was a dynamo and perfect tits and the Juliebaby from Lansing. Anybody remember the tall blonde Sweet Paris / Stephanie!? She's in Florida but I told her to make a visit up our way as a lot of guys miss the good talent. We shall see.
Wolverines
12-16-18, 16:45
These days if any provider posted pictures that hot we would think they were fake. Thanks for sharing.
Counterclockwise the very hot and young Vasara. Next is one Jazmin who was a dynamo and perfect tits and the Juliebaby from Lansing. Anybody remember the tall blonde Sweet Paris / Stephanie!? She's in Florida but I told her to make a visit up our way as a lot of guys miss the good talent. We shall see.
Love The Lips
12-16-18, 22:14
Anyone else having trouble with that captcha thing just spinning when you click on it? Not able to get phone numbers.
Anyone else having trouble with that captcha thing just spinning when you click on it? Not able to get phone numbers.Use incognito chrome browser. I have this happen when I am using my browser on my smartphone. Incognito chrome never fails.
Hey, there. So I'm a total newbie to the hobby. I was just wondering if someone could PM me for a few questions or point me in a good direction for getting into the hobby. Thanks!
Hey, there. So I'm a total newbie to the hobby. I was just wondering if someone could PM me for a few questions or point me in a good direction for getting into the hobby. Thanks!
If I was new, the first place I would want to go is Kandiland
I am a third shifter looking for a reliable provider who is up and answers her phone around 630 am if anyway can help with suggestions it would be greatly appreciated. I've texted and called a few and I never get any responses. Grand Rapids and north.I also work third shift call provider before you go to work set up time in the morning most providers will accommodate you.
Member #6094
12-19-18, 09:01
Sadly I have tried then when you try contacting them in the morning to make sure they are up and willing they don't answer.
I also work third shift call provider before you go to work set up time in the morning most providers will accommodate you.
OrallVrForU
12-20-18, 16:26
These days if any provider posted pictures that hot we would think they were fake. Thanks for sharing.Found one more. What a beauty. And on fire.
Charlie441
12-22-18, 17:53
This review of Wynter aligns with many of the others we have seen on her. Will be interesting to see if she makes it up to Johnsolo as she has promised.I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.
I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.All good points and I totally agree. IMO probably most of the mongers on this forum agree too.
I have a long time friend that asked me a few questions back in 2014, he was surprised I had a lot of answers. I told him about usasexguide and he would read it off my phone but would never log in on his own phone, he didn't want any tracking for his S. O. To detect using his phone.
I told him to Check out a hooker I liked, I even dropped him off at the hotel and picked him up too. He was very paranoid about seeing hookers. I told him it's a lot better deal than the Massage parlors.
He would never see a hooker again but will go to a Massage Parlor. He asked me which ones had the most secluded parking. I gave him two, Wonder and Panacea he pursued one location for a while until he found the girl with the best looks for him, body slides and HJ is all he wanted and pays her 225 each visit. I asked are you nuts? No way do you have to pay that much. He said I know I don't but I want her to schedule me on my time, giving her enough money so she will prioritize her schedule for me. He also wants her to be smiling and happy when he arrives. He sees her about once a month and that's all he needs.
I believe there are a lot of guys just like him, If you look at the stats on the front page you will see that we as members are the minority of users and posting members or senior members are probably a lot fewer than the lurkers or as usaseguide calls them "guests" Example of the stats on a Saturday night at 7:07 pm.
Currently Active Users (This is Nation Wide).
There are currently 1402 users online. 323 members and 1079 guests.
Most users ever online was 6,543,05-29-18 at 12:24.
Benz1 GdEnough DaddyForYou Dubberman SilverDawg Buzz442.
Looks like there might be 3 kinds of mongers.
1. those like my friend that will go to a massage Parlor once a month and blow a wad.
2. Lurkers and members trying to find a good time with an occasional hooker, hoping we sort them out for them.
3. Members that frequently monger and have learned to navigate and negotiate what we want.
If my good man Charlie 441 would do the city stats of how many men are living in the greater Grand Rapids area, the probability of how many of them are mongers (not members) and Mongers like my friend that will blow GPS money on the same girl once a month.
When we are all done doing the math, I think a few hot girls could do very well in this city regardless what we say about GPS.
I can appreciate the ones that admit they have not always been good providers and try to change based on our opinions, they might not have to care what we say. Because there might be enough men in this city who want to see them naked and willing to pay the gps price.
It's also possible that Hayley could perch Wynter in the lobby flirting with the Lurkers while Hayley makes plenty of money selling her great coffee and other beverages to the Lurkers. Bars do it all the time Hot Bartender means more sales.
Love The Lips
12-22-18, 23:29
I agree. It's not that John's review was an isolated incident. That's the main point. When charging $170 for a HE in a shortened 1/2 hr massage, even if they Don't Have a bad attitude but instead just a "blah" one with the notion of "churn thru here, see ya have a nice day", it doesn't matter how hot she is. It's not even remotely close to a reasonable market value. It's utterly laughable; seriously. But two points:
1) I agree with Love-TL, they do this because some people pay for it, and yes, those types of gals laugh at guys shelling out Way too much for basics. Along with that tho, is they end up believing they Deserve roughly that amount for just showing up for work, and as long as enough suckers end up feeding them for just that. They can still be happy with a lot of people, be cool & real to their regulars, but that doesn't take away from it.
2) That said, I also believe from feedback that on a good day and / or with someone a girl's gotten to know, especially if they contribute on here, that you'll see a great side of her, a great experience if you're willing to shell out a lot of money. Some may not think it's that worth it if it is, but at least there's an understandable market for it.
I'm not trying to be harsh or a mean guy at all, but I do want to put realism into perspective here. John's report doesn't reflect merely a bad day, although I will buy that it wasn't at least a good time for her at that point -- it's a reflection of GPS. If a gal doesn't have GPS, she can be having a bad day, but at the same time won't be thinking she deserves $170 for a hhr out-the-door with anything close to a status-quo HE.Nice to see that many of you understand the point I was making. I appreciate the girls that offer a service that is inline with the rates they charge and also reward them with a nice tip. I just get tired of hearing the complaints and stories of rushed service, time shorting, blah attitude etc. I for one would love to visit Wynter as she is my type for sure, but if I had the experience with my visit as JohnSolo had I would have walked out of there with regret and feeling ripped off. Kudos to the girls that give good service at a fair rate and appreciate building repeat clientle.
Charlie441
12-23-18, 22:37
I gave him two, Wonder and Panacea he pursued one location for a while until he found the girl with the best looks for him, body slides and HJ is all he wanted and pays her 225 each visit. I asked are you nuts? No way do you have to pay that much. He said I know I don't but I want her to schedule me on my time, giving her enough money so she will prioritize her schedule for me. He also wants her to be smiling and happy when he arrives. He sees her about once a month and that's all he needs.Okay, I'm Not a guy suffering from MPS (Male Penny Syndrome; trademark it! LOL). I will roll my eyes ("oh geez") when a guy posts that he only pays 40/20 for a HHR + expects a full 30-minutes of the gal touching him + topless with a smile, aiming to please him happily -- and if she's one of the Hot ones *and* gives a great experience, maybeee $10 more but that's it. And I know prices have gone up over the past several years beyond a fully-clothed mechanical -- I understand.
That said, I really hope your friend is getting a full hour -- otherwise, I'd be like "No, dude, again, are you freaking nuts? $225 for a hhr, for a body slide, but No extras? *smile* That said, for a true Full Hour, with a double-pop option by establishing himself with her, with that exotic / body-slide version done Well and he has a thing for that type of endeavor moreso than your average Joe -- I can understand that. Namely that "exotic" & body-slides are a Separate Category experience, and even though for most gents out there it is an overpriced experience (as some things notably are in the business world) -- you are in a sense comparing apples & pears when going standard vs that. Even if to many people it doesn't Feel so much like a separate category VS a great fruitful sensual massage. Butt, when he wants it every month actually isn't her favorable time but makes room for it -- OK.
Side Note: Correct me if / how I'm wrong here, but if one puts a body-slide version up, for, say, $100/ hhr (2. 5 x standard hhr rate) -- I would assume that would essentially include the base part of the tip ($20 for hhr) + being topless, correct? Meaning most the tip you'd give them would be the Extra beyond base+topless and in their thong?
When we are all done doing the math, I think a few hot girls could do very well in this city regardless what we say about GPS.I say this with a smile: This means we can (fairly) say whatever we want about gals who seem to have GPS, and it shouldn't affect them, right? I think it does though -- otherwise Wynter wouldn't even think of giving that guy a free (positive) continuation on what was done.
GPS is all about attitude and POV. If I get asked what I want off the bat, and am strongly suggested something 'great' where she can go topless for "only" $200, and she gets ticked that I give a friendly chuckle with a no-thanks -- that's GPS. If a gal is really cool and she says in response to me asking her to go topless: "I'll get in my bra and panties, but getting naked isn't my thing even though I'm sure you'll enjoy my HE. But if you Really want me topless, I can, but I charge a lot for it," I wouldn't classify that as GPS. Disappointing to me (shucks! But no, not GPS. In that case, she knows it's not a "deal" nor has any glorification of herself that hell-yes a guy should pay me $150-$200 for me to go from sweater to fully topless on top of everything else. Attitude and POV, ya know?
Guys can easily think with their little heads, which can help make a gal's head bigger on expectations and so forth, over time (which is not in her own best interest either). If a gal's really hot, that's great -- but a bad attitude or even robotic attitude for most, really helps Nix the Looks advantage over other girls who are swell to be with. Most guys with any surveying experience of the industry would prefer an Average Jane who's swell to be with and really enjoys making a guy happy VS a much cuter one where you'd have to warm Her up to avoid (knock on wood) her having a robotic or "meh" attitude. Never mind Still paying more for the latter.
IMO, it's all about the attitude. If a gal's cool and she charges 2 x more than your standard massaging Maggie (even if not 2 x better looking) -- that's Fine. As long as he knows this cumming in, and gets a cordial, good attitude as should be expected, he can't gripe -- he can just choose to shop elsewhere if that's not his thing.
Yes, I know this makes me look like a bad guy -- I'm honestly not, I swear! *smile*.
I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?
I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?Sounds fun.
I've been there a few times, trying to line up a good dream.
The provider will be a lot pickier about a female date than a Male date. The Lesbian or Bi girls know that the date will need to be full GFE for the girl or it's not really a date.
When the provider sees us and she is not really in the mood or doesn't like our breath or cologne they can just say RCG or K9 is my favorite position. Get us off and the deal is done we don't even know if she enjoys the session.
When she says yes to your 3 sum she needs to be a really good actress, if she doesn't like the looks, kiss or taste of the other girls pussy.
Plus she knows you have less options for this event so her special kind of acting is going to be a higher price.
Sometimes you can set the stage and see how it goes and hope for the best.
A couple years ago I set up a perfect arrangement with Kandi by offering her a free 4 handed full body massage with my favorite masseuse. We brought a massage table to the Kandiland hotel gave her a full hour 4 handed massage and we were rewarded with her wonderful response as no other provider except Kandi could give.
That was on or about February 14, I told Kandi it was going to be a Valentine's gift from me. It was a great day for all.
Happy hunting Naughty12.
Okay, I'm Not a guy suffering from MPS (Male Penny Syndrome; trademark it! LOL). I will roll my eyes ("oh geez") when a guy posts that he only pays 40/20 for a HHR + expects a full 30-minutes of the gal touching him + topless with a smile, aiming to please him happily -- and if she's one of the Hot ones *and* gives a great experience, maybeee $10 more but that's it. And I know prices have gone up over the past several years beyond a fully-clothed mechanical -- I understand.
That said, I really hope your friend is getting a full hour -- otherwise, I'd be like "No, dude, again, are you freaking nuts? $225 for a hhr, for a body slide, but No extras? *smile* That said, for a true Full Hour, with a double-pop option by establishing himself with her, with that exotic / body-slide version done Well and he has a thing for that type of endeavor moreso than your average Joe -- I can understand that. Namely that "exotic" & body-slides are a Separate Category experience, and even though for most gents out there it is an overpriced experience (as some things notably are in the business world) -- you are in a sense comparing apples & pears when going standard vs that. Even if to many people it doesn't Feel so much like a separate category VS a great fruitful sensual massage. Butt, when he wants it every month actually isn't her favorable time but makes room for it -- OK.
Side Note: Correct me if / how I'm wrong here, but if one puts a body-slide version up, for, say, $100/ hhr (2. 5 x standard hhr rate) -- I would assume that would essentially include the base part of the tip ($20 for hhr) + being topless, correct? Meaning most the tip you'd give them would be the Extra beyond base+topless and in their thong?
I say this with a smile: This means we can (fairly) say whatever we want about gals who seem to have GPS, and it shouldn't affect them, right? I think it does though -- otherwise Wynter wouldn't even think of giving that guy a free (positive) continuation on what was done.
GPS is all about attitude and POV. If I get asked what I want off the bat, and am strongly suggested something 'great' where she can go topless for "only" $200, and she gets ticked that I give a friendly chuckle with a no-thanks -- that's GPS. If a gal is really cool and she says in response to me asking her to go topless: "I'll get in my bra and panties, but getting naked isn't my thing even though I'm sure you'll enjoy my HE. But if you Really want me topless, I can, but I charge a lot for it," I wouldn't classify that as GPS. Disappointing to me (shucks! But no, not GPS. In that case, she knows it's not a "deal" nor has any glorification of herself that hell-yes a guy should pay me $150-$200 for me to go from sweater to fully topless on top of everything else. Attitude and POV, ya know?
Guys can easily think with their little heads, which can help make a gal's head bigger on expectations and so forth, over time (which is not in her own best interest either). If a gal's really hot, that's great -- but a bad attitude or even robotic attitude for most, really helps Nix the Looks advantage over other girls who are swell to be with. Most guys with any surveying experience of the industry would prefer an Average Jane who's swell to be with and really enjoys making a guy happy VS a much cuter one where you'd have to warm Her up to avoid (knock on wood) her having a robotic or "meh" attitude. Never mind Still paying more for the latter.
IMO, it's all about the attitude. If a gal's cool and she charges 2 x more than your standard massaging Maggie (even if not 2 x better looking) -- that's Fine. As long as he knows this cumming in, and gets a cordial, good attitude as should be expected, he can't gripe -- he can just choose to shop elsewhere if that's not his thing.
Yes, I know this makes me look like a bad guy -- I'm honestly not, I swear! *smile*.I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.
In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.
Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments. How do we fix all of that for the Provider, Fixing it for the provider should fix it for us too.
We already have a network in place to help the providers.
I know some providers that use a standard system of 3 massages with HJ then the client is qualified for FS on the next visit. Or become frenz with benz get a password for FS on the first visit. These are not your hotties they are average girls. The Hotties will not go any further than necessary to keep making money, because they don't have to. The clients will keep cuming for a peak at their naked body.
As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.
I had a massage from Wynter today, she was busy but squeezed me in. Three girls working and Wynter was the only girl with clients. She gave me a great massage just the way I like it, she's a little short so she needs to get on the table to get the middle of my back just right. Her massage skills are above average and everything I'm looking for in a Massage. That's because I trained her to do it my way. On my first appointment with her I had her get on the table, I gave her my best massage, she massaged me for awhile and we rotated back and forth for each part of the body showing her what I want. (I'm very picky) She got it right away and was able to give back the same massage I gave her. Awesome! She's short so she needs to gain more leverage by getting on the table. The table we were using was a little wobbly when she got on. Made us both nervous so I offered to trade Hayley one of my massage tables, she gladly excepted and now I have a lighter table for traveling to massage appointments. The trade benefited all of us.
I brought Chocolate from Sweetlands, Hayley supplied donuts and the Coffee this morning and we had good start to our Christmas eve.
My massage was great today but the teasing up to the ending just wasn't there. Off day for her? Nope. We were talking too much about our community and Hayley's team. I'm sure the teasing would have been there if we didn't have Love the Lips, Johnsolo, Jamul, Charlie441 and DjBiker in the room with us. But we did get a few things done.
The results look good from my perspective, If we know the cost going in, we do not call it GPS, we just move on if we don't like the price. Like Jmaul said find someone that will! That being said most providers including Wynter are not will to talk about everything. She asked for my assistance in communicating the results to our Community.
Wynter's prices and menu are available through Benz1 PM, the best way to do that is include a password too. Frenz of Benz only please. This is a Safety first issue for the providers, hopefully this gets us over the hump with what I believe to be one of our best. She is very pretty, has the best Ass in Western Michigan and gives me great massages.
Let your Lady pick the girl for the 3 sum. Someone that she is attracted to and feels comfortable with. If you don't, and you pick the girl, it's a 99% chance the whole thing will be a shit show. So much so, that your Lady will no longer want to see you either! You were warned! Take the free, experienced advice.
NJ.
Love The Lips
12-24-18, 23:53
I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.
In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.
Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments. How do we fix all of that for the Provider, Fixing it for the provider should fix it for us too.
We already have a network in place to help the providers.
I know some providers that use a standard system of 3 massages with HJ then the client is qualified for FS on the next visit. Or become frenz with benz get a password for FS on the first visit. These are not your hotties they are average girls. The Hotties will not go any further than necessary to keep making money, because they don't have to. The clients will keep cuming for a peak at their naked body.
As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.
I had a massage from Wynter today, she was busy but squeezed me in. Three girls working and Wynter was the only girl with clients. She gave me a great massage just the way I like it, she's a little short so she needs to get on the table to get the middle of my back just right. Her massage skills are above average and everything I'm looking for in a Massage. That's because I trained her to do it my way. On my first appointment with her I had her get on the table, I gave her my best massage, she massaged me for awhile and we rotated back and forth for each part of the body showing her what I want. (I'm very picky) She got it right away and was able to give back the same massage I gave her. Awesome! She's short so she needs to gain more leverage by getting on the table. The table we were using was a little wobbly when she got on. Made us both nervous so I offered to trade Hayley one of my massage tables, she gladly excepted and now I have a lighter table for traveling to massage appointments. The trade benefited all of us.
I brought Chocolate from Sweetlands, Hayley supplied donuts and the Coffee this morning and we had good start to our Christmas eve.
My massage was great today but the teasing up to the ending just wasn't there. Off day for her? Nope. We were talking too much about our community and Hayley's team. I'm sure the teasing would have been there if we didn't have Love the Lips, Johnsolo, Jamul, Charlie441 and DjBiker in the room with us. But we did get a few things done.
The results look good from my perspective, If we know the cost going in, we do not call it GPS, we just move on if we don't like the price. Like Jmaul said find someone that will! That being said most providers including Wynter are not will to talk about everything. She asked for my assistance in communicating the results to our Community.
Wynter's prices and menu are available through Benz1 PM, the best way to do that is include a password too. Frenz of Benz only please. This is a Safety first issue for the providers, hopefully this gets us over the hump with what I believe to be one of our best. She is very pretty, has the best Ass in Western Michigan and gives me great massages.So glad that me and the guys were able to play a small part in the playtime with Wynter😀! I have faith that of anyone, Benz will surely be able to talk things out and get her polished up to be a reasonably priced and good provider to go along with that great ass, it does look yummy!!
I'm open to suggestions on this subject.
I've been seeing a regular friend, sort of a modified SA. Even though she's not on there. We're not exclusive nor are we in a relationship other than a mutually beneficial sexual one, more like a FWB.
She has been very direct that she wants to experiment with another women but she has huge reservations with actually going through with it. As a friend of course, I'm always willing to be the careful catalyst. I'm considering contactacting one of the girls on STG but full disclosure I've talked with one "couple friendly" girl and it seems they have a very out of reach menu price to do so.
Any guidance from the group?
Strip club?
UTR suggestions?
Good hunting bar suggestions?My wife likes to partake on occasion. We've been to brothels, strip clubs, SA, and a escort or two. The hardest thing is finding someone that hits it off with her. Honestly the best time we had was with a woman we met at the cricket. The personalities just matched up good and after a hour long session in the back she asked if we would meet up OTC. It worked out for years until she moved away. Strip clubs work sometimes and we've had some luck with SA. On SA I flat out ask them if they've been with another woman and if they DATY. If they hesitate or don't answer with something I take as positive I move onto the next gal. Good luck!
Sadly I have tried then when you try contacting them in the morning to make sure they are up and willing they don't answer.Grizzly I provide morning services if you need assistance in the mornings let me know please message me here.
Looks like the new Magic Wands are junk. Any recommendations?
My wife likes to partake on occasion. We've been to brothels, strip clubs, SA, and a escort or two. The hardest thing is finding someone that hits it off with her. Honestly the best time we had was with a woman we met at the cricket. The personalities just matched up good and after a hour long session in the back she asked if we would meet up OTC. It worked out for years until she moved away. Strip clubs work sometimes and we've had some luck with SA. On SA I flat out ask them if they've been with another woman and if they DATY. If they hesitate or don't answer with something I take as positive I move onto the next gal. Good luck!I normally post out of BC and Kalamazoo. I had a similar situation about a decade or so back. I had a girlfriend that was bi and we had luck at bars. My girlfriend was insanely hot (way out of my league) and she would just approach other hot girls at the bar and strike up a conversation or approach them on the dance floor and start dancing with them. I always found it was easier for her to seal the deal. When I tried I was a perv, but when she did it it almost always worked. It was awesome for me, as I got to have the occasional 3 way with two hot girls. I eventually had to move on because she started doing heavy drugs.
One thing I would suggest is having ground rules before going in. My ex GF had two rules, I could not do DATY or Greek on the other girl.
Three Nutz
12-27-18, 14:20
Looks like the new Magic Wands are junk. Any recommendations?Given this one many a time without complaint. Most common response is positive on the power.
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HollandGuy73
12-28-18, 14:36
So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?
So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?Get a hobby phone and FIND a place to hide it. Garage, shed, trunk of car ect.
Get a hobby phone and FIND a place to hide it. Garage, shed, trunk of car ect.And it possible take the battery out when not in use and put that elsewhere.
And it possible take the battery out when not in use and put that elsewhere. I've had 3 different hobby phones upgraded each time. Personally, I wouldn't use a phone app. There might tracking on my real phone for text and data (my location is always turned off) Wife has tracked my phone usage before and might again.
If you don't want to risk keeping a hobby phone, try using the USA PM to set appointments with providers that are advertising on www.usaadultclassifieds.nl Most can be contacted through USA Pm.
Get a hobby phone. $20 ATT at walgreens and $30 a month unlimited.
There are cheaper options even (Benz?
I keep mine at work. Its off until I'm seeking a date.
I keep a ton of stuff in my trunk so if I don't return to work after a date I bury it deep under stuff in the car trunk. Again its off so no ringing. I leave it set on vibrate too.
So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.
Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.
I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.
So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.
I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.
In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.
Any guys out there with advice?
Get a hobby phone. $20 ATT at walgreens and $30 a month unlimited.
There are cheaper options even (Benz?
I keep mine at work. Its off until I'm seeking a date.
I keep a ton of stuff in my trunk so if I don't return to work after a date I bury it deep under stuff in the car trunk. Again its off so no ringing. I leave it set on vibrate too.Mine is a ZTE smart TracFone from Dollar general.
Comes with FB already loaded
It has enough room to load talk text apps on it too. Convenient for free WiFi communication and negotiation with a provider you plan to call using your real hobby phone number offering her 10 more than the terrible offer you made with your WiFi app. They usually respond to the 10 higher. Lol
My hobby phone will not post a pic on this site
I also have a hobby Laptop at work, for storing pics and posting them on USA. Life in the hobby is good.
I've had 3 different hobby phones upgraded each time. Personally, I wouldn't use a phone app. There might tracking on my real phone for text and data (my location is always turned off) Wife has tracked my phone usage before and might again.
If you don't want to risk keeping a hobby phone, try using the USA PM to set appointments with providers that are advertising on www.usaadultclassifieds.nl Most can be contacted through USA Pm.Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.
A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.
App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.
When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.
Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.
HollandGuy73
12-28-18, 17:10
Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.
A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.
App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.
When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.
Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.Here is where a problem with that lies.
If many of you are like me, a married w / children, you may have a couple of other iphone, ipads, ipods around. And when one device with your apple I'd downloads an app, it downloads to all of those devices. So the ipad that your son or daughter may use, when your wife picks it up to do something for the kids on it she sees the burner app, and likely every call and text you've made.
None of us are the perfect monger. The likelihood of a guy remembering to delete everything 100% of the time just isn't too realistic.
But it probably is time for a hobby phone kept locked away at work.
It's just so easy to be tracked and traced by all these devices now.
In all reality, if you're anything like me you and your wife may also have shared banking info, and who says that someone with a real desire to find out what you're buying every month from the dollar general for $20 can't be found out by a wife who has more time on her hands to keep track of you than she has to do housework?
Also as I expressed none of us remember everything 100% of the time. There have been times when I have caught my wife going through my car un-crumbling receipts to see what was purchased.
Suppose that's part of the fun, the risk.
Here is where a problem with that lies.
If many of you are like me, a married w / children, you may have a couple of other iphone, ipads, ipods around. And when one device with your apple I'd downloads an app, it downloads to all of those devices. So the ipad that your son or daughter may use, when your wife picks it up to do something for the kids on it she sees the burner app, and likely every call and text you've made.
None of us are the perfect monger. The likelihood of a guy remembering to delete everything 100% of the time just isn't too realistic.
But it probably is time for a hobby phone kept locked away at work.
It's just so easy to be tracked and traced by all these devices now.
In all reality, if you're anything like me you and your wife may also have shared banking info, and who says that someone with a real desire to find out what you're buying every month from the dollar general for $20 can't be found out by a wife who has more time on her hands to keep track of you than she has to do housework?
Also as I expressed none of us remember everything 100% of the time. There have been times when I have caught my wife going through my car un-crumbling receipts to see what was purchased.
Suppose that's part of the fun, the risk.My original purchase of the phone at Dollar general is on my way to work. After you register it and everything thing is working, throw everything away.
I buy all my text / minutes from speedway. 1000 texts for 5 bucks. Yes 1 k for 5.
My first HP I didn't give a name during registration, it prompt me 4 times then bypassed it and I completed the registration with no name. The 2nd phone I registered with my hobby FB name. If ever found by the wrong person it is not my phone it's Benz phone, my friend at work. He must have dropped it in the parking lot, I'll give it to him at work tomorrow.
Wolverines
12-28-18, 19:32
If you have a wife I would avoid the phone apps. Even if you uninstall the phone app each time there is a history of uninstalled apps with Android phones via Google Play(not sure about Apple). I assume a wife would have access to that. Not sure if you can delete that history. Just too much could go wrong with phone apps and married dudes. Burner phone is the way to go but if your wife ever finds it you will have lots of splainin to do lucy.
If you are not married a phone app is fine. That is what I use. But something to keep in mind is that phone apps are tied to your actual phone number. If a serious crime occurred the phone app company could be presented with a subpoena to give up the actual phone number. Maybe the provider you saw was murdered (god forbid) or involved with some sort of terrorism. In either of those cases they will want to know who is behind every phone number found on her phone. These are some extreme cases and not likely. But just showing there is some risk with burner apps.
For the most paranoid among us the safest method is a burner phone that is paid for with cash and the minutes are paid for with cash. Better to buy these at a gas station than say a meijer as the gas station is likely to not keep their security video as long as a meijers (Benz mentioned buying his phone at dollar general, that would be a good place to buy a phone). And make sure location is turned off on the phone. To take it a step further make sure the phone is turned off when not in use. Only turn it on when you are setting up an appointment with a provider. Better yet, if possible, pull the battery when not using the phone. Again, this is only for the most paranoid.
If you want to take your paranoia beyond the phone, get yourself a VPN. I use one. They are cheap.
Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.
A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.
App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.
When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.
Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.
I tried a phone app on my real phone for about 2 sec. When it asked to allow access to my data and files. Dumped it fast.
I put a phone app on my burner phone and don't mind it accessing file and data info from my burner phone.
TokyoDawson
12-29-18, 08:00
My original purchase of the phone at Dollar general is on my way to work........
I buy all my text / minutes from speedway. 1000 texts for 5 bucks. Yes 1 k for 5.....My Tracfone came from Dollar General and works fine for texts, is a pos for voice calls so maybe I will have to change it out. I have been buying the 3 month $20 service plan there too with cash.
Benz. What service provider is the Speedway deal? Tracfone?
My Tracfone came from Dollar General and works fine for texts, is a pos for voice calls so maybe I will have to change it out. I have been buying the 3 month $20 service plan there too with cash.
Benz. What service provider is the Speedway deal? Tracfone?Yes, TracFone.
Pick the card off the rack that has about 6 multiple options one is a text for 5 bucks 1000 texts. Bring it to the cashier , they scan the option you want. You have tohave an active phone for it to work. To keep it active I buy a 20 dollar data card every 3 months allows talk minutes and data too.
I recently bought the latest upgrade for tracfone smart phone. The last one sucked. It was 29 plus buy the card for 20 now I have data talk and text. Can buy more text at 5 bucks for 1k texts at speedway.
When you upgrade the phone it will transfer all info including your existing talk time text and data to the new phone using the same number. Easy service up. Nice phone
Most of us have to cover our tracks using hobby phones and phone apps.
Plus we need to delete our Google searches from our devices too. I log into this site using my fake FB page so there is not a Google search history on my real phone.
Just log out of my real FB, log in on my hobby FB, go to a page I created with all the links I need stored on it and open them, opening a link does not create a search history.
There have been times that my search history would not clear this or other sites off. I still have to delete Google history that's very easy and always clears everything off.
Wolverines
12-29-18, 17:12
Use Google's incognito browsing. It is built into Chrome. When using Google Incognito window your searches won't appear in your browser history or search history. Incognito is also included in the Google chrome app for your phone.
For those that don't use Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer also have this feature.
Most of us have to cover our tracks using hobby phones and phone apps.
Plus we need to delete our Google searches from our devices too. I log into this site using my fake FB page so there is not a Google search history on my real phone.
Just log out of my real FB, log in on my hobby FB, go to a page I created with all the links I need stored on it and open them, opening a link does not create a search history.
There have been times that my search history would not clear this or other sites off. I still have to delete Google history that's very easy and always clears everything off.
Charlie441
12-30-18, 18:41
I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.I agree by logic, it can't be an upsell once you do know Everything already and it remains the same. An upsell requires a price (or assumed price) for basics before cumming in, but then up-selling for extras after you're settled in (usually applied when extras are above an assumed market value). Up-selling doesn't necessarily mean GPS if it's in-line with a very understandable market value. GPS is just about attitude / persona, notably when the prices are higher than normal. Usually they're not GPS if the client already knows the cost of everything going into the appointment. However, they still Can be GPS based on their ad, as seen in a few of them.
There's a difference between I don't really do X / why / Z, butt, if you really wanted it, I guess I could but it'd cost you a lot VS trying to sell you on X / why / Z at a Clearly above market price, with an I-deserve-I-deserve mentality (GPS).
In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.Out of curiosity, how did he know the price for all the nooks & crannies before he got there? I ask because I agree with what you said here:
Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments.I agree. That's where upsells mainly occur, but as you point out, not necessarily. As with your friend, he had everything laid out to him on the phone, I'm assuming. Technically though, he very well could have been facing upsells via text with the gal, before meeting her, to eliminate any upselling once he did get there in person. Nothing wrong with technically 'upselling' when you're technically inquiring about extra services to be sold. But we tend to use the term to apply to above-expected quotes when in a negotiative situation, or assumptions that X would be already included, but they want an extra fee for it.
GPS on the other hand is all about a (negative) attitude, which upselling can certainly reflect. But one could even upsell way high but not have GPS, with an understandable explanation & attitude (I don't like taking my bottom off vs other girls; but if you Really want to I can, if you're willing to pay $100 after paying me $20 extra to be just in my panties!
As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.That is good. And hopefully it's not to merely appease an individual who reported that others can see, but to also put one's mentality in a more proper perspective in relation to their mentality about doing their stuff. Everyone's a winner, then. I'll give Wynter the benefit of the doubt that she has at least a bit of a better perspective for the long-run, and I do believe you that she can be a cool gal.
Out of curiosity, how did he know the price for all the nooks & crannies before he got there? I ask because I agree with what you said here:
He asked me a lot of questions, he was very surprised I had answers. I reminded him over and over that massage parlors charge you more and you get less. He didn't like seeing Tina the RedHot RedHead at her Notel he became very paranoid , his first experience was not good, way too nervous, couldn't get it up for the full half hour.
I don't know why he was so nervous, he had plenty of help getting there, I drove him. ( I didn't even tell him the provider was a friend of his daughters on FB LOL) I'm still confused, She was hot and liked him very much. Tina felt bad about the date too.
At that point He knew his only hobby option was Massage Parlors and only two had good parking for him to hide his vehicle. I told him what to expect for regular rates and the upcharge rates too. He was looking for GFE at a parlor with a hot girl. He expected to pay more, when he found the right one he offered the extra to make sure she offered GFE and body slides.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, I believe there are a lot more of these guys out there that will not buy a hobby phone and float around to the parlors hoping to get what they want. We seem to be the minority, Looking at the report of current active users.
Currently Active Users (December 31 1:15 pm.)
There are currently 2238 users online. 588 members and 1650 guests.
Most users ever online was 6,543,05-29-18 at 12:24.
Benz1 DRickGiver5 SkyHighBuilder DaddyYake FishinForLife BadBoyC216.
Here is just a general question.
You see a lot of ladys that are on eros and what not that require a persons legal name, place of work personal phone etc. I get it as they are going to be spending time with someone they do not yet know. But do guys really provide that info? That info was why I never finished the p411 after my 6 month free membership elapsed. Anyone have thoughts?
Charlie441
01-01-19, 19:47
He asked me a lot of questions, he was very surprised I had answers. I reminded him over and over that massage parlors charge you more and you get less. He didn't like seeing Tina the RedHot RedHead at her Notel he became very paranoid , his first experience was not good, way too nervous, couldn't get it up for the full half hour.
I don't know why he was so nervous, he had plenty of help getting there, I drove him. ( I didn't even tell him the provider was a friend of his daughters on FB LOL) I'm still confused, She was hot and liked him very much. Tina felt bad about the date too.
I would think for most people who are completely new to everything, they would get more nervous their 1st time in a massage parlor going from 100% legal at a store on the street to crossing the line for some hint-hint extras. Getting naked under a towel in doing so, then opting for the gal to 'get comfortable' after things settle in, handling the flip well to opt for something happy, etc. Some gals can be quite forthright & have a fun attitude when doing so, which would make it easy for any newbie, but you can't count on that. But I figure he saw / felt it a different way, not comfortable going to a Notel seeing a "hooker" from the get-go. Otherwise, why the paranoia when she's real cute + real friendly.
Once one does get comfy with an MP girl, I think that should nix one's uncomfort-zone for any other pay-a-girl endeavors. So maybe he'll try that avenue in the future if he isn't totally turned off by the Notel-escort idea.
I would think for most people who are completely new to everything, they would get more nervous their 1st time in a massage parlor going from 100% legal at a store on the street to crossing the line for some hint-hint extras. Getting naked under a towel in doing so, then opting for the gal to 'get comfortable' after things settle in, handling the flip well to opt for something happy, etc. Some gals can be quite forthright & have a fun attitude when doing so, which would make it easy for any newbie, but you can't count on that. But I figure he saw / felt it a different way, not comfortable going to a Notel seeing a "hooker" from the get-go. Otherwise, why the paranoia when she's real cute + real friendly.
Once one does get comfy with an MP girl, I think that should nix one's uncomfort-zone for any other pay-a-girl endeavors. So maybe he'll try that avenue in the future if he isn't totally turned off by the Notel-escort idea.I gave him a lot of info, for both escorts and MP he's still paying 225 per session with his girl once a month and happy too.
He was more afraid of a sting operation or drug bust. He believes he is less likely to be caught in trap by going to a massage parlor. If anyone were to bust the massage parlor for anything he could always say he was just coming in for a massage and understood it to be a legitimate massage salon.
His significant other might not by it story but it would be better than getting caught in a hotel room with a known hooker.
I believe he's right maybe that's why the men going to massage parlors are willing to pay a little more to have that story in case they're ever caught. Granted it's a lame story, it is better than being caught in a hotel room with a escort.
He doesn't want to have a hobby phone and massage parlors aren't as likely to call you back or try to extort.
As I mentioned before I believe there's a lot of guys out there just like him that go once a month I've no intention of buying a hobby phone and paying enough money to get what they want when they show up. Those hobbyist aren't the same as our membership they hobby monthly or every other month whereas we are Hobbying weekly sometimes more than once a week. We need a hobby phone, they do not.
We have navigation and negotiation skills which they do not. They don't want to take the time to research where to go for safe escorts either. Just get me off now. If I like it I'll be back. Attitude. Not about money.
If anyone is focusing on a provider and want to make sure it's a great date, I strongly suggest stopping at Sweetlands Candy on Plainfield before you see your girl.
https://news.softpedia.com/news/13-Reasons-Why-Chocolate-is-Good-for-Your-Health-and-Sexuality-68641.shtml
Just skip to number 4, no need to read the rest.
It always helps me.
Member #6094
01-02-19, 19:52
LOL Benz1 you do know according to the Snickers commercials they will do the same thing much cheaper to. Lmao 😁.
If anyone is focusing on a provider and want to make sure it's a great date, I strongly suggest stopping at Sweetlands Candy on Plainfield before you see your girl.
https://news.softpedia.com/news/13-Reasons-Why-Chocolate-is-Good-for-Your-Health-and-Sexuality-68641.shtml
Just skip to number 4, no need to read the rest.
It always helps me.
Charlie441
01-02-19, 20:24
I gave him a lot of info, for both escorts and MP he's still paying 225 per session with his girl once a month and happy too.That is crazy. LOL. Especially for someone even willing to see an escort in a Notel.
He was more afraid of a sting operation or drug bust. He believes he is less likely to be caught in trap by going to a massage parlor. If anyone were to bust the massage parlor for anything he could always say he was just coming in for a massage and understood it to be a legitimate massage salon.Yes, makes sense. I believe that should be everyone's first 'play' on the field. But willing to go full hog for an escort at a Notel with a recommended gal just makes it more perplexing that he at least wouldn't be more open to cum down to earth for more realistic prices & endeavors. I agree that massage parlors are pretty much error-free zones. You don't have to worry about LE at all, just a neighbor seeing you parked there.
I believe he's right maybe that's why the men going to massage parlors are willing to pay a little more to have that story in case they're ever caught. Granted it's a lame story, it is better than being caught in a hotel room with a escort.It is. But it's not that he's willing to pay more for less (MP vs Escort). He's paying Way too much more within that zone of massage parlors. Yikes. That's the real WTH situation.
You don't need a hobby phone if, say, a friend points you to a massage parlor he goes to with a girl he sees, she works out, and that's all you're going to do. But if you are going to dabble around to the parlors and have a significant other, you'll definitely want one. And if you're going to dabble in the escort arena, you'll want one even if you're single. But some people think it's more complicated than it is, not being fans of 'change' or anything.
A hobby phone is cheaper & less complicated to have than one may think, just as landing a gal who does things nicely at a much lower price is. Butt, like some gals out there who are stuck in their ways with their POVs, so can the (newbie) customers once they see something they like.
That is crazy. LOL. Especially for someone even willing to see an escort in a Notel.
Yes, makes sense. I believe that should be everyone's first 'play' on the field. But willing to go full hog for an escort at a Notel with a recommended gal just makes it more perplexing that he at least wouldn't be more open to cum down to earth for more realistic prices & endeavors. I agree that massage parlors are pretty much error-free zones. You don't have to worry about LE at all, just a neighbor seeing you parked there.
It is. But it's not that he's willing to pay more for less (MP vs Escort). He's paying Way too much more within that zone of massage parlors. Yikes. That's the real WTH situation.
You don't need a hobby phone if, say, a friend points you to a massage parlor he goes to with a girl he sees, she works out, and that's all you're going to do. But if you are going to dabble around to the parlors and have a significant other, you'll definitely want one. And if you're going to dabble in the escort arena, you'll want one even if you're single. But some people think it's more complicated than it is, not being fans of 'change' or anything.
A hobby phone is cheaper & less complicated to have than one may think, just as landing a gal who does things nicely at a much lower price is. Butt, like some gals out there who are stuck in their ways with their POVs, so can the (newbie) customers once they see something they like.My friend doesn't need a hobby phone, he's happy with one girl once a month at the same place.
Not everyone thinks like us. We are a different breed.
Brings me back to my original comment, we are the minority. There are plenty of guys out there who will never get caught going to a secluded parlor. For that reason they will pay more and be able to care less about the hobby as we see it.
That's how the massage parlors in every city get more than an escort and offer less. Monger Fear, we would have a lot more fear if we didn't have this site where we all contribute for the safety of others. Most of us that read this forum have faith in our fellow members. It doesn't happen immediately, some may read in disbelief that what we say is real or real helpful. Others will click on a link to a good review and wish he had the balls to call. Then there is us, the senior adventurers with nerves of steel and ice running through our veins because we need to do it. We are the minority.
Thank the good Lord for usasexguide everyday.
No one is advertising on it, but has anyone seen this?
https://www.yesbackpage.de/161-Grand-Rapids/
SweetHemiStud
01-13-19, 07:06
No one is advertising on it, but has anyone seen this?
https://www.yesbackpage.de/161-Grand-Rapids/I saw it when it first came out. It never really took off.
BossStang302
01-14-19, 14:45
I saw it when it first came out. It never really took off.Does well in my area and a few other locations I have been to. Other areas I've looked it def needs to grow.
EBT did an early payout, due to the shutdown.
Most of them will be spending it or selling it before February. The next earliest payout will be March.
Keep in mind while negotiating in February.
Most of them will be hungry, including the girl next door. She could be your next UTR.
EBT did an early payout, due to the shutdown.
Most of them will be spending it or selling it before February. The next earliest payout will be March.
Keep in mind while negotiating in February.
Most of them will be hungry, including the girl next door. She could be your next UTR.P.S.
Don't loan them any money, make them work for it, negotiations will bring the prices down.
Like Wall Street says. The Market is correcting it's self.
CrownTiger
01-22-19, 05:05
I saw it when it first came out. It never really took off.Be prepared to get spammed nonstop after replying. It is spam central where not a single ad is real. Yesbackpage.com my asssss
BossStang302
01-22-19, 15:12
Be prepared to get spammed nonstop after replying. It is spam central where not a single ad is real. Yesbackpage.com my asssssI think it depends on the area. In sc there are a few spam ads, but the rest are now real. Most were around on the old backpage, and are also on STG and cityguide. I travel for work. And was just in chicago, had 2 good experiences and found and AMP on there. ABout to head to dallas and already have a booking. But you are right that there is a lot of spam.
EBT did an early payout, due to the shutdown.
Most of them will be spending it or selling it before February. The next earliest payout will be March.
Keep in mind while negotiating in February.
Most of them will be hungry, including the girl next door. She could be your next UTR. Looks like this February is the best time to negotiate.
Ask for her rates, after she responds, tell the provider Becca charges 50 ss, 80 HHR and 120 hr.
Send the provider Becca's link for proof.
The provider you're texting will probably say Go see Becca. Hang up. If we all do it eventually they will say yes and rates will go down.
Maybe we should all be seeing Becca to support her and her great rates.
http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=75190&cityid=222
On A Pedestal
01-25-19, 04:18
Looks like this February is the best time to negotiate.
Ask for her rates, after she responds, tell the provider Becca charges 50 ss, 80 HHR and 120 hr.
Send the provider Becca's link for proof.
The provider you're texting will probably say Go see Becca. Hang up. If we all do it eventually they will say yes and rates will go down.
Maybe we should all be seeing Becca to support her and her great rates.
http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=75190&cityid=222Can vouch for Becca and her Rates. Just posted my first review in the Escort Reviews section. As a first timer that was a great recommendation, so glad I found this place. She is a sweetheart too.
Looks like this February is the best time to negotiate.
Ask for her rates, after she responds, tell the provider Becca charges 50 ss, 80 HHR and 120 hr.
Send the provider Becca's link for proof.
The provider you're texting will probably say Go see Becca. Hang up. If we all do it eventually they will say yes and rates will go down.
Maybe we should all be seeing Becca to support her and her great rates.
http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=75190&cityid=222This could work.
This could work.The pics are not her, she is very large room was a dirty mess, price reflects size and looks, sorry no thanks.
This could work.Not her in pics, very large girl, room was a dirty mess, rates reflect price, no thanks.
This could work.If you already see a provider you like, you probably won't want to try negotiating a lower price at this point. You just have to stay away from her for the month. Try someone new and negotiate Becca rates with your new February girl.
If they say No, then go see Becca for her great rate.
The Government shut down caused an early distribution of EBT (food stamps) on January 20. This is the 25th I'm betting they have sold them for candy or used them already. They will be very hungry soon, we can offer to fill them up with our protein at a reduced rate.
There will not be another EBT distribution until March at the earliest. Its possible there will not be a March distribution. We should all start looking for UTR opportunities, the girl next door will be needing our protein too for possibly lower than Becca rates.
I'm seeing a new Puerto Rican girl for Daty and BBBJws at her apartment for 40 which is clean and nice. She knows nothing about our team yet.
They need our protein.
Happy Hunting.
If you already see a provider you like, you probably won't want to try negotiating a lower price at this point. You just have to stay away from her for the month. Try someone new and negotiate Becca rates with your new February girl.
If they say No, then go see Becca for her great rate.
The Government shut down caused an early distribution of EBT (food stamps) on January 20. This is the 25th I'm betting they have sold them for candy or used them already. They will be very hungry soon, we can offer to fill them up with our protein at a reduced rate.
There will not be another EBT distribution until March at the earliest. Its possible there will not be a March distribution. We should all start looking for UTR opportunities, the girl next door will be needing our protein too for possibly lower than Becca rates.
I'm seeing a new Puerto Rican girl for Daty and BBBJws at her apartment for 40 which is clean and nice. She knows nothing about our team yet.
They need our protein.
Happy Hunting.Just got this today.
Could you loan me $40 till next Friday I have a dr appointment and got to get back and forth to work.
My best programed response.
It's easier not to have to collect on another day. Trading is easier. Trading is fun and keeps things simple so I don't have to meet another day to collect. That part is kind of a difficult. Let's have some fun today.
Many have posted about passwords and defending Benz.
There is no reason to defend Sir Benz. He is and remains the most active member in the GR boards. Wolverines comes in a close 2nd to give us all pictures as links die fast. His contributions speak for themselves.
The wide net that Sir Benz brings all sorts of fish from the sea. Great UTR chicks for sure and tons a recon that many of us, including myself, are grateful for. Some of the fish are not the greatest finds, but as Benz would say, the backs of their heads all look the same.
The "passwords are BS" remarks are made simply to state that not all girls require them. The ones that do don't seem to care about my money and when I'd like to donate it to them, so I can't say they have helped my efforts. Which is fine because there are other reliable girls that don't require passwords. Every monger finds their own way to the hunny and both girls with passwords and girls without passwords exist.
I've knighted Benz now as Sir Benz of the password isle. May he continue to investigate the far reaches of the GR hobby world and report his findings so we can all prosper. At least those of you who have luck with passwords lmfao.
Stay safe!
Maybe I should tell the tale of how the passwords got started.
It was Teddbear, He sent me a message asking how to get a date with Mercedes. She never answers back or when she does answer back reports show that she flakes out.
I told him Mercedes gets 100 texts a day and will prioritize for clients she knows will show up. As all providers are tired of the No Shows. She has enough clients, she doesn't have to put up with it unless she sees someone new. Seeing someone new was always a risk she didn't want to take, if she didn't have to. That's why she would flake or delay the new guy if an old client called. I think we would all do the same in her position for security and money. I sent that to Ted hoping he understands the window on new guys seeing Mercedes is almost closed.
Ted said he really wants to see her, I told him to say you are Frenz with Benz, He said he tried it didn't work, (she's heard that line before).
I was seeing Mercedes frequently at the time, he knew I could get through to her. He asked for a password or something to get her attention. I wrote a paragraph that he could cut and paste, she would know the only person it would have come from is me. He got his appointment. I can't remember if he actually seen her.
Mercedes and I were friends and her BF was comfortable with that too. The next time I saw Mercedes, her and her BF told me they really liked the idea of passwords and using them can stabilize a lot of professional dating appointments.
Passwords are about the providers safety, it's not about us. However we can benefit from a provider that will prioritize for a password and occasionally offer a discount for the secure date.
New girls in the hobby are very scared to post and make appointments. Many of them would never get started without help from another provider or passwords from a trusted friend.
Hope this explains the history and future of the password value for us.
Happy Hunting
As predicted, they are getting hungry in February.
Lakeshorehoney sent me new rates and added to her menu. She is average looking small BBW.
BBBJCIM 50, cfs 80 and rimming for the squeaky clean assholes just an extra 40.
Hosting in a Grandville apartment, her daughter gets home at 330, cardates only after 330. Discretion is a must
I have digits and password.
Pics were taken today, her tits are nice and firm.
Maybe I should tell the tale of how the passwords got started.
It was Teddbear, He sent me a message asking how to get a date with Mercedes. She never answers back or when she does answer back reports show that she flakes out.
I told him Mercedes gets 100 texts a day and will prioritize for clients she knows will show up. As all providers are tired of the No Shows. She has enough clients, she doesn't have to put up with it unless she sees someone new. Seeing someone new was always a risk she didn't want to take, if she didn't have to. That's why she would flake or delay the new guy if an old client called. I think we would all do the same in her position for security and money. I sent that to Ted hoping he understands the window on new guys seeing Mercedes is almost closed.
Ted said he really wants to see her, I told him to say you are Frenz with Benz, He said he tried it didn't work, (she's heard that line before).
I was seeing Mercedes frequently at the time, he knew I could get through to her. He asked for a password or something to get her attention. I wrote a paragraph that he could cut and paste, she would know the only person it would have come from is me. He got his appointment. I can't remember if he actually seen her.
Mercedes and I were friends and her BF was comfortable with that too. The next time I saw Mercedes, her and her BF told me they really liked the idea of passwords and using them can stabilize a lot of professional dating appointments.
Passwords are about the providers safety, it's not about us. However we can benefit from a provider that will prioritize for a password and occasionally offer a discount for the secure date.
New girls in the hobby are very scared to post and make appointments. Many of them would never get started without help from another provider or passwords from a trusted friend.
Hope this explains the history and future of the password value for us.
Happy HuntingThanks Benz for giving me credit for the password and yes I did see Mercedes and I was her regular up untill she passed away. I still use passwords to this day it's all about the girl feeling comfortable as well as the breaking of ice factor. Benz you and I have learned a lot about this hobby together and I hope we can make it better and easier for the newbees and it not at all be about us.
BigFriknNutz
02-05-19, 19:18
As predicted, they are getting hungry in February.
Lakeshorehoney sent me new rates and added to her menu. She is average looking small BBW.
BBBJCIM 50, cfs 80 and rimming for the squeaky clean assholes just an extra 40.
Hosting in a Grandville apartment, her daughter gets home at 330, cardates only after 330. Discretion is a must
I have digits and password.
Pics were taken today, her tits are nice and firm.I shouldn't even care but I can't believe what I can get in other cities compared to what you guys settle for here and probably half the time your getting played or ripped off. Attach is a SW I see in Milwaukee, 50 for half and half. Yes that is 50 as in fifty not this $. 50 BS. Squeaky clean, no drugs and no attitude. To each their own, but you get what you settle for. Unfortunately the site doesn't support the type of file the other pics are but they are incredible. Again, I'm just making a comparison. I'm just lucky work takes me to some great places.
Thought I'd share some details on foreign travel I've enjoyed recently. I only get to partake in these things when I travel or significant other is away, so I don't post regularly but I was in Europe for work and visited Praha, CZ. Everything is legal and regulated there, and the town is very low cost. Stayed at a very nice hotel for around $120 a night, 4 star steak dinner around $40, taxi cheap.
They have 'strip clubs' that portend an exclusivity, they have show markets that are like window shopping brothels, and they have parlors for body rub. I visited AAA Exclusive Club which is a kind of cabaret downstairs and rooms upstairs. You visit and get a drink at the bar then sit down like a normal strip club, but the manager will visit and ask how you are and what you're interested in. The girls all must come by and introduce themselves to every new guest, and you get literal menu with prices. You just tell somebody who you want and they will come sit with you and you can hang out or discuss going upstairs. I picked a really pretty, tight bodied young lady who had just done a dance but her attitude wasn't the best. I learned you must let the girl pick you; some of the best looking women are doing this 8-10 times a shift so they are burned out, but some will make eye contact and try to get your attention. She was fun, though, and good at what she does. HHr, CBJ, CFS, about $70 US. Everything is covered and they always shower before and after, and you must do the same.
Also went to Showpark Market, which is split in two halves. First is bar and strip club, you can get lap dances and beer is expensive. Thru a door for a fee is the market. Another bar and game room, and a complex of rooms rented by the ladies. You wander the halls and see if you like any of the girls, then you can just stop and talk to them and negotiate. I took a stroll and one AA woman caught my eye and we kind of exchanged glances, so I went back. Made a good connection and negotiated 45 min. She was very well spoken with great English. Was there from Kenya. Both showered (Separately) and commenced to business on the bed. Mirrors everywhere. It was fun, CBJ to start and she says 'let me know when you're ready'. I say 'ready for. ?' and she looks up at me confused and says 'ready for jiggy-jiggy! Was a good time but I went broke and had to walk to hotel. Total cost was I think around $85 or so for her time.
Tried a 4 hand body rub, negotiated 45 min and 2 x SOG for $65. Shower before and after required. It was good but the girls were bored and very mechanical, but they knew how to get you where you wanted to be. Not as much fun as the clubs.
In total, it was cool. Nothing like here. Felt safe and tons of options.
https://www.aaa-club.net/en/
First I would like to say another reason for the password is that some of these girls have been robbed or stiffed by some assholes and unfortunately that fucks the trust factor up for everyone. If I had to give a danger rating for us and the provider I would go %70 to something bad happening to the girl and %30 to us.
Now on to the show. Drove all the way to g. Are. Today from Muskegon to settle the mystery of the tall sexy blonde http://muskegon.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/tall-sexy-blonde/922258151275 . She is real. Every bit as pretty in the face as the pics. Tits seem deflated, stretch marks either baby damage or lost weight. Nice and personable. I didn't ask but my bet would be she hasn't done this long seemed nervous. BBBJ didn't ask about cim. Pussy was average along with the BJ. Doesn't like to do the hour on first date and from the non responsiveness I believe the hour would be 45 minutes of wasted time. But with all that said that face. May be the prettiest provider I have been with, hate to see what she looks like a year from now. I don't know the good and bad hotels in g. Are. I was in the area of 28th and 131. Seemed fine no issues. I'm sure she smokes but couldn't smell it in the room. Didn't feel rushed and felt like she wanted to please. Also had cut marks on her arms. I guess the bottom line is would I see her again I just don't know. I like a responsive provider even if she is faking.
I shouldn't even care but I can't believe what I can get in other cities compared to what you guys settle for here and probably half the time your getting played or ripped off. Attach is a SW I see in Milwaukee, 50 for half and half. Yes that is 50 as in fifty not this $. 50 BS. Squeaky clean, no drugs and no attitude. To each their own, but you get what you settle for. Unfortunately the site doesn't support the type of file the other pics are but they are incredible. Again, I'm just making a comparison. I'm just lucky work takes me to some great places.I wish my work took me out of here more often. I get on the road about 3 times a year. This town is getting rediculous. There are clearly some great ones here, but it's gerting few and far between. We need a monger strike or something.
I wish my work took me out of here more often. I get on the road about 3 times a year. This town is getting rediculous. There are clearly some great ones here, but it's gerting few and far between. We need a monger strike or something.I have been striking.
I see an average looking Puerto Rican once a week. 40 bucks anything I want. No rush at a decent appartment in Wyoming.
I plan on expanding my strike on high rates with a 50 dollar Becca date soon.
Member #6597
02-08-19, 12:57
I have been striking.
I see an average looking Puerto Rican once a week. 40 bucks anything I want. No rush at a decent appartment in Wyoming.
I plan on expanding my strike on high rates with a 50 dollar Becca date soon.This wouldn't happen to be a girl who goes by Starr would it? The Puerto Rican girl.
BigFriknNutz
02-08-19, 16:30
I wish my work took me out of here more often. I get on the road about 3 times a year. This town is getting rediculous. There are clearly some great ones here, but it's gerting few and far between. We need a monger strike or something.Where girls that would have a hard time getting picked up at a bar. Are in demand as escorts. Yes the few good ones are few and far between and probaly have their dance cards filled for weeks in advance that all that's left are the scraps and they are making out like champs apparently. Sometimes a guy will settle for a scrap but not at the rates that have been established. I still like to explore in hopes of finding a good bang for the buck but if that doesn't come along I will definitely spend my entertainment dollars elsewhere.
I'm at that same point although I hadn't officially announced it. I enjoyed my time with Dixie but in all honesty I still can't get used to paying a hundred and twenty or more for a half hour even when the service is decent. I've been spending more time seeing Breezy for 40 than any other provider for the same reasons you state. What we are being asked to pay compared to the looks and services we get is really quite insane lately. So I'm officially on strike as well. I will not be paying a hundred plus a 1/2 hour with anyone for a while.
I have been striking.
I see an average looking Puerto Rican once a week. 40 bucks anything I want. No rush at a decent appartment in Wyoming.
I plan on expanding my strike on high rates with a 50 dollar Becca date soon.
Stonecoldstan
02-08-19, 18:38
I have been striking.
I see an average looking Puerto Rican once a week. 40 bucks anything I want. No rush at a decent appartment in Wyoming.
I plan on expanding my strike on high rates with a 50 dollar Becca date soon.Thought I was the only one. If I spend 1. 5 on my wife I can do whatever I want in uncovered. Just have wait until she's home. Sorry but until the market levels out I'll be on strike.
I have been striking.
I see an average looking Puerto Rican once a week. 40 bucks anything I want. No rush at a decent appartment in Wyoming.
I plan on expanding my strike on high rates with a 50 dollar Becca date soon.My wife will be out of town for 2 weeks, but maybe I will just spend my money on something else. I won't be getting any more than when she is at home anyway. At least I can get something else I want.
My wife will be out of town for 2 weeks, but maybe I will just spend my money on something else. I won't be getting any more than when she is at home anyway. At least I can get something else I want.My wife is out of town this week too. I'm planning an overnight with Becca222.
I'll let you know how it goes.
BackWood45
02-09-19, 14:05
I have been striking.
I see an average looking Puerto Rican once a week. 40 bucks anything I want. No rush at a decent appartment in Wyoming.
I plan on expanding my strike on high rates with a 50 dollar Becca date soon.I guess I have been striking for quite a while now. Funds and free time have been at a scarcity as of late and seeing the rates of some of the talent that's out there has been a real disappointment.
Also thanks Benz1 for all your contributions here. You have brought us some true gems.
I guess I have been striking for quite a while now. Funds and free time have been at a scarcity as of late and seeing the rates of some of the talent that's out there has been a real disappointment.
Also thanks Benz1 for all your contributions here. You have brought us some true gems.Can you get me her number.
Just curious guys. Have you ever offered an extra amount to the donation to an SP to complete a special task? IE. If you make me pop three times in an hour appointment I will give you X. Been doing this for a while but just thought about it today. I guess in my mind if you do something like that it may guarantee you an actual full hour of effort. Thoughts, questions, complaints. Let me know.
Thought I was the only one. If I spend 1. 5 on my wife I can do whatever I want in uncovered. Just have wait until she's home. Sorry but until the market levels out I'll be on strike.Ditto on the strike. I've found a couple in Muskegon for bbjws for. 4. Beyond that when I get a texts from the former regulars I'm out of dough for the time being.
SteveV4005
02-15-19, 17:07
I probably already know th answer to this. But why don't any providers post a chat app name from KiK or Snapchat? I have seen a few sell premium snapchats. As a married guy it would make it a lot easier to sneak around. Ha.
Just a thought if any providers read. Start putting KIK is in ads. Just a newbie giving his input. I know about hobby phones but those can be located just as easy if not easier than a random app on your phone.
Could keep the providers safer as well since they won't have a phone number floating around.
Sincerely,
Want to be a friend of Benz.
CharlieSunrise
02-15-19, 20:30
Anyone here get a spam group text? I received a text that was sent to about 20 or so phone numbers all with a 616 area code. Talked about in town staying with sister and to hook up go to a web link? Just wondering if it was completely random or if a provider gave out numbers. It's a burner phone with a google voice number (double layer protection. LOL) so no worries, just curious if there is a connection.
Due to the large volume of Mongers who want to be Frenz with Benz, we have instituted a new Electronic Take-a-Number System. This system will be in place until our Self-Service Kiosks are up and running. Thank You for your continued patience!
SteveV4005
02-16-19, 13:38
Due to the large volume of Mongers who want to be Frenz with Benz, we have instituted a new Electronic Take-a-Number System. This system will be in place until our Self-Service Kiosks are up and running. Thank You for your continued patience!I need to start working harder to be in the club. I know these things don't come for free and it will take hard work dedication and lots and lots of.
WBFWB.
Wolverines
02-16-19, 20:14
I am guessing that providers do not use chat apps for this hobby because there are so many chat apps out there. That would force us to have to install the apps of the girls we want to see on our phones.
I probably already know th answer to this. But why don't any providers post a chat app name from KiK or Snapchat? I have seen a few sell premium snapchats. As a married guy it would make it a lot easier to sneak around. Ha.
Just a thought if any providers read. Start putting KIK is in ads. Just a newbie giving his input. I know about hobby phones but those can be located just as easy if not easier than a random app on your phone.
Could keep the providers safer as well since they won't have a phone number floating around.
Sincerely,
Want to be a friend of Benz.
Wolverines
02-16-19, 20:28
Thanks for sharing. It sounds amazing. I have been to Asia multiple times and each time I was blown away. Endless young smoking hot ass at a fraction of the price for a US provider. It basically ruins your future hobby experiences back here.
Thought I'd share some details on foreign travel I've enjoyed recently. I only get to partake in these things when I travel or significant other is away, so I don't post regularly but I was in Europe for work and visited Praha, CZ. Everything is legal and regulated there, and the town is very low cost. Stayed at a very nice hotel for around $120 a night, 4 star steak dinner around $40, taxi cheap.
They have 'strip clubs' that portend an exclusivity, they have show markets that are like window shopping brothels, and they have parlors for body rub. I visited AAA Exclusive Club which is a kind of cabaret downstairs and rooms upstairs. You visit and get a drink at the bar then sit down like a normal strip club, but the manager will visit and ask how you are and what you're interested in. The girls all must come by and introduce themselves to every new guest, and you get literal menu with prices. You just tell somebody who you want and they will come sit with you and you can hang out or discuss going upstairs. I picked a really pretty, tight bodied young lady who had just done a dance but her attitude wasn't the best. I learned you must let the girl pick you; some of the best looking women are doing this 8-10 times a shift so they are burned out, but some will make eye contact and try to get your attention. She was fun, though, and good at what she does. HHr, CBJ, CFS, about $70 US. Everything is covered and they always shower before and after, and you must do the same.
Also went to Showpark Market, which is split in two halves. First is bar and strip club, you can get lap dances and beer is expensive. Thru a door for a fee is the market. Another bar and game room, and a complex of rooms rented by the ladies. You wander the halls and see if you like any of the girls, then you can just stop and talk to them and negotiate. I took a stroll and one AA woman caught my eye and we kind of exchanged glances, so I went back. Made a good connection and negotiated 45 min. She was very well spoken with great English. Was there from Kenya. Both showered (Separately) and commenced to business on the bed. Mirrors everywhere. It was fun, CBJ to start and she says 'let me know when you're ready'. I say 'ready for. ?' and she looks up at me confused and says 'ready for jiggy-jiggy! Was a good time but I went broke and had to walk to hotel. Total cost was I think around $85 or so for her time.
Tried a 4 hand body rub, negotiated 45 min and 2 x SOG for $65. Shower before and after required. It was good but the girls were bored and very mechanical, but they knew how to get you where you wanted to be. Not as much fun as the clubs.
In total, it was cool. Nothing like here. Felt safe and tons of options.
https://www.aaa-club.net/en/
WildThing616
02-16-19, 20:47
I'm at that same point although I hadn't officially announced it. I enjoyed my time with Dixie but in all honesty I still can't get used to paying a hundred and twenty or more for a half hour even when the service is decent. I've been spending more time seeing Breezy for 40 than any other provider for the same reasons you state. What we are being asked to pay compared to the looks and services we get is really quite insane lately. So I'm officially on strike as well. I will not be paying a hundred plus a 1/2 hour with anyone for a while.
I have been striking.
I see an average looking Puerto Rican once a week. 40 bucks anything I want. No rush at a decent appartment in Wyoming.
I plan on expanding my strike on high rates with a 50 dollar Becca date soon.Pretty much the same thing for me. In speaking with a few providers all I have to say is that some of you guys need to learn to at least TRY to negotiate. Some of the newer local providers are laughing at what they're being paid.
ChipCharger
02-17-19, 11:21
In terms of a strike or attempt to correct the market, one thing to keep in mind is that the posters on this board are way outnumbered by those who do not post but take advantage of those who do post. If I recall, A2 once said they estimate non posters outnumber us by about 4 or more.
To some guys paying $30-40 more per visit doesn't matter all that much. It does to most of us though.
To those who are not concerned, please help the rest of us. You certainly wouldn't want an overall economic market to go uncorrected.
I'm an exclusive UTR guy at this point but I'm in total support of what many guys are saying here. If you are a lurker, please give everyone else a little help to bring things back a bit.
Price gouging is not really a good thing in any market in the long run.
In terms of a strike or attempt to correct the market, one thing to keep in mind is that the posters on this board are way outnumbered by those who do not post but take advantage of those who do post. If I recall, A2 once said they estimate non posters outnumber us by about 4 or more.
To some guys paying $30-40 more per visit doesn't matter all that much. It does to most of us though.
To those who are not concerned, please help the rest of us. You certainly wouldn't want an overall economic market to go uncorrected.
I'm an exclusive UTR guy at this point but I'm in total support of what many guys are saying here. If you are a lurker, please give everyone else a little help to bring things back a bit.
Price gouging is not really a good thing in any market in the long run.In our free market system, the price is set by supply and demand. The quality providers are in high demand and can get more for their services because quality providers are in short supply. The economy is relatively good at this time so there are jobs available to give the providers options. The supply of quality providers will not likely increase until the economy and jobs go bad again.
In our free market system, the price is set by supply and demand. The quality providers are in high demand and can get more for their services because quality providers are in short supply. The economy is relatively good at this time so there are jobs available to give the providers options. The supply of quality providers will not likely increase until the economy and jobs go bad again.The supply and demand problem is hard to solve universally based on what Chip said. People who read the board and don't contribute outnumber those that do. There will always be demand unless the strike occurs. The supply changes more frequently.
To me the good economy hurts us. If these girls don't have a day job they aren't looking for one now either. Maybe it's because they won't pass a drug test, too lazy, etc. Rent is going up and the only way to offset that is with more income.
I support the idea of solving the problem universally but you need to start invidually. If I can't find someone to give me a good time for what I am willing to pay, I won't see them. These girls benefit from regulars and being a regular has its advantages in service and sometimes cost. Keep in mind that for every decent guy who pays fair is another who abuses the system and wrecks these girls trust by poor treatment or not paying as much or at all. There's also the others that don't give a shit about what the cost is and want priority and her attention.
The supply and demand problem is hard to solve universally based on what Chip said. People who read the board and don't contribute outnumber those that do. There will always be demand unless the strike occurs. The supply changes more frequently.
To me the good economy hurts us. If these girls don't have a day job they aren't looking for one now either. Maybe it's because they won't pass a drug test, too lazy, etc. Rent is going up and the only way to offset that is with more income.
I support the idea of solving the problem universally but you need to start invidually. If I can't find someone to give me a good time for what I am willing to pay, I won't see them. These girls benefit from regulars and being a regular has its advantages in service and sometimes cost. Keep in mind that for every decent guy who pays fair is another who abuses the system and wrecks these girls trust by poor treatment or not paying as much or at all. There's also the others that don't give a shit about what the cost is and want priority and her attention.You know that they are going to sue you guys for collusion right? Ha.
You know that they are going to sue you guys for collusion right? Ha.We will counter sue for price fixing.
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