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I guess it must be my lucky day! The new "CEO" of the "report center" is going to get my money refunded. Apparently for a scam I fell for so long ago I don't even remember lodging the complaint. Finally some justice for us!
Thought some of you might get a chuckle out of this.That's right there with the easy pass scam.
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2025/02/06/boston-woman-charged-with-murder-in-charlestown-houseboat-stabbing/
Agencies like Boston International at least put all of their girls through some sort of screening: give them exhaustive questionnaires to fill out, etc. Maya says that when in doubt she even asks for IDs. Maya doesn't need them. She has more girls than she can handle. They need her.
I know the adrenaline rush of cruising for an SW, or inviting this happy face over but you really, like really, don't know what you're walking yourself into, or what's walking through your front door. No matter how you slice the pie: safety should come first, and the safety factor between Boston International and this type of excrement is incomparable.
Just saying.
DarkClouds
02-19-25, 21:11
I never have and never will use agencies. Isn't BTT enough of a lesson?
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2025/02/06/boston-woman-charged-with-murder-in-charlestown-houseboat-stabbing/
Agencies like Boston International at least put all of their girls through some sort of screening: give them exhaustive questionnaires to fill out, etc. Maya says that when in doubt she even asks for IDs. Maya doesn't need them. She has more girls than she can handle. They need her.
I know the adrenaline rush of cruising for an SW, or inviting this happy face over but you really, like really, don't know what you're walking yourself into, or what's walking through your front door. No matter how you slice the pie: safety should come first, and the safety factor between Boston International and this type of excrement is incomparable.
Just saying.
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2025/02/06/boston-woman-charged-with-murder-in-charlestown-houseboat-stabbing/
Agencies like Boston International at least put all of their girls through some sort of screening: give them exhaustive questionnaires to fill out, etc. Maya says that when in doubt she even asks for IDs. Maya doesn't need them. She has more girls than she can handle. They need her.
I know the adrenaline rush of cruising for an SW, or inviting this happy face over but you really, like really, don't know what you're walking yourself into, or what's walking through your front door. No matter how you slice the pie: safety should come first, and the safety factor between Boston International and this type of excrement is incomparable.
Just saying.
I never have and never will use agencies. Isn't BTT enough of a lesson?BTT was an apartment-based agency. They always get busted because they stay at the same places months or years on end. There was BAD few years before that too. Hotel based agencies, like Boston International, almost never get busted because a girl never stays in one place for more than a week. Plus neighbors always eventually get pissed with hordes of unknown man walking in and out the same apartment. Hotel guests change all the time and unless a girl is really in your face about it, hotels would rather keep it quite and avoid scandal even if they'd suspect anything.
With indy it's always a box of chocolate and you Dark Clouds know it better than anybody else. Some may rip you off, some may not. Others, as you can see, may even kill you. With hotel based agencies this type of shit never happens. Last time I think it was Chloe which was when? 20 years ago? The old timers would know. The owner encouraged girls to solicit clients in the hotel bars and restaurants. No shit if you do shit like this you get busted! LOL.
If Maya were to find out that a girl's was pulling shit like this she'd be out in the cold before an hour is up freezing her assahola! I think it happened once 4 or so years ago. Maya can be a real heartless if she thinks that somebody's putting her business in danger. That's why Boston International is as safe as hobbying could be in the United States.
StuartGuy37
02-19-25, 22:33
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2025/02/06/boston-woman-charged-with-murder-in-charlestown-houseboat-stabbing/
Agencies like Boston International at least put all of their girls through some sort of screening: give them exhaustive questionnaires to fill out, etc. Maya says that when in doubt she even asks for IDs. Maya doesn't need them. She has more girls than she can handle. They need her.
I know the adrenaline rush of cruising for an SW, or inviting this happy face over but you really, like really, don't know what you're walking yourself into, or what's walking through your front door. No matter how you slice the pie: safety should come first, and the safety factor between Boston International and this type of excrement is incomparable.
Just saying.Was she a working girl? That was my initial reaction when I saw the story, but I haven't heard.
Was she a working girl? That was my initial reaction when I saw the story, but I haven't heard.I didn't see it actually spelled out but people on TER think that it was some sort of a sugar arrangement.
MajorJohnson
02-20-25, 11:00
BTT was an apartment-based agency. They always get busted because they stay at the same places months or years on end. There was BAD few years before that too. Hotel based agencies, like Boston International, almost never get busted because a girl never stays in one place for more than a week. Plus neighbors always eventually get pissed with hordes of unknown man walking in and out the same apartment. Hotel guests change all the time and unless a girl is really in your face about it, hotels would rather keep it quite and avoid scandal even if they'd suspect anything.
With indy it's always a box of chocolate and you Dark Clouds know it better than anybody else. Some may rip you off, some may not. Others, as you can see, may even kill you. With hotel based agencies this type of shit never happens. Last time I think it was Chloe which was when? 20 years ago? The old timers would know. The owner encouraged girls to solicit clients in the hotel bars and restaurants. No shit if you do shit like this you get busted! LOL.
If Maya were to find out that a girl's was pulling shit like this she'd be out in the cold before an hour is up freezing her assahola! I think it happened once 4 or so years ago. Maya can be a real heartless if she thinks that somebody's putting her business in danger. That's why Boston International is as safe as hobbying could be in the United States.Remember the craigs list killer? And one of the circa 1995 board monitors or administrator, BD1313 or something like that? He was robbing visiting indys and agency girls. Craigs list guy was robbing hotel girls and killed a girl. Both guys would wait until the very end of the lady's trips. The business should be legalized.
The business should be legalized.I'm sure we're all with you on that.
Was she a working girl? That was my initial reaction when I saw the story, but I haven't heard.I didn't see it spelled out like this anywhere but there is a discussion on the other site and the folk seem to think that this probably was some sort of the sugar arrangement. I personally think that she was a one-time thing, and whatever happened probably involved the dog.
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2025/02/06/boston-woman-charged-with-murder-in-charlestown-houseboat-stabbing/
Agencies like Boston International at least put all of their girls through some sort of screening: give them exhaustive questionnaires to fill out, etc. Maya says that when in doubt she even asks for IDs. Maya doesn't need them. She has more girls than she can handle. They need her.
I know the adrenaline rush of cruising for an SW, or inviting this happy face over but you really, like really, don't know what you're walking yourself into, or what's walking through your front door. No matter how you slice the pie: safety should come first, and the safety factor between Boston International and this type of excrement is incomparable.
Just saying.
DarkClouds
02-20-25, 12:03
My concern has always been that agencies collect client info and vet the clients. I prefer it the other way around. I've had great luck with SA and I do my own vetting.
BTT was an apartment-based agency. They always get busted because they stay at the same places months or years on end. There was BAD few years before that too. Hotel based agencies, like Boston International, almost never get busted because a girl never stays in one place for more than a week. Plus neighbors always eventually get pissed with hordes of unknown man walking in and out the same apartment. Hotel guests change all the time and unless a girl is really in your face about it, hotels would rather keep it quite and avoid scandal even if they'd suspect anything.
With indy it's always a box of chocolate and you Dark Clouds know it better than anybody else. Some may rip you off, some may not. Others, as you can see, may even kill you. With hotel based agencies this type of shit never happens. Last time I think it was Chloe which was when? 20 years ago? The old timers would know. The owner encouraged girls to solicit clients in the hotel bars and restaurants. No shit if you do shit like this you get busted! LOL.
If Maya were to find out that a girl's was pulling shit like this she'd be out in the cold before an hour is up freezing her assahola! I think it happened once 4 or so years ago. Maya can be a real heartless if she thinks that somebody's putting her business in danger. That's why Boston International is as safe as hobbying could be in the United States.
My concern has always been that agencies collect client info and vet the clients. I prefer it the other way around. I've had great luck with SA and I do my own vetting.To each his own man. Most agencies take P411 and don't know anything about you. They sure know nothing about me.
Hobbying always involves risk, especially in this country, especially in this state. You just pick where you think risk is the least and go with it. Nothing more.
As for SA, general consensus on the other site that this chick that killed the guy was his sugar, as in somebody he likely met on SA. Do good vetting Dark. We don't want you to go the way of this honorable gentleman. And before you provide me with some bravado response let me add this. I'm a former military with little combat experience. As that, I can assure you that I love to face the enemy who thinks they're the tops. I'll catch them sleeping. Don't lose your vigilance on SA bro. The smartest and the most enticing are always the trickiest.
To each his own man. Most agencies take P411 and don't know anything about you. They sure know nothing about me.
Hobbying always involves risk, especially in this country, especially in this state. You just pick where you think risk is the least and go with it. Nothing more.
As for SA, general consensus on the other site that this chick that killed the guy was his sugar, as in somebody he likely met on SA. Do good vetting Dark. We don't want you to go the way of this honorable gentleman. And before you provide me with some bravado response let me add this. I'm a former military with little combat experience. As that, I can assure you that I love to face the enemy who thinks they're the tops. I'll catch them sleeping. Don't lose your vigilance on SA bro. The smartest and the most enticing are always the trickiest.What is P411? Is is something you fill out a form and give your picture, phone number, address etc?
With hotel based agencies this type of shit never happens. Last time I think it was Chloe which was when? 20 years ago? CO Companions worked entirely out of hotels and ended up getting busted last year or the year before.
CO Companions worked entirely out of hotels and ended up getting busted last year or the year before.Do you mean XO Companions?
What is P411? Is is something you fill out a form and give your picture, phone number, address etc?Preferred411. I'm pretty sure it's out of Canada. It's a verification service widely accepted in the US with both agencies and indies. No picture but they do ask you for a lot of personal info, that's why it's widely trusted in the US.
https://preferred411.com/admirer/register
I just figured that I'd rather give my personal info to one foreign place that would open the doors for me to most places, then be asked for it every time I try to see someone I liked.
Again, this is primarily for those that don't want to spent a lot of time looking for someone to bang. If you get a kick out of spending hours on end searching for diamonds in the rough on stg or sa this is probably not for you.
Mattis1775
02-22-25, 13:03
Haven't been on RubMaps in awhile and a few times, I had a membership in the past for a quick one month period to explore the reviews. Couldn't remember the cost back then. But remembered that it was reasonable in price. Now it's almost $50 a month? Wow.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-woman-allegedly-drugged-fleeced-older-men-met-dating-apps-rcna193293
We're very attractive targets. I guess we always were. . . But it seems worse lately or maybe just more widespread press coverage.
DarkClouds
02-23-25, 20:25
Incredible. She's been doing this for 6 years and never got reported?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-woman-allegedly-drugged-fleeced-older-men-met-dating-apps-rcna193293
We're very attractive targets. I guess we always were. . . But it seems worse lately or maybe just more widespread press coverage.
Haven't been on RubMaps in awhile and a few times, I had a membership in the past for a quick one month period to explore the reviews. Couldn't remember the cost back then. But remembered that it was reasonable in price. Now it's almost $50 a month? Wow.Absolutely not worth the money.
Sonny Corleone
02-23-25, 23:39
Incredible. She's been doing this for 6 years and never got reported?Who cares about Aurora, kudos to the monger in the article going out to meet her to get some strange in his wheelchair!
Do you mean XO Companions?Yes, but auto correct is a motherfucker.
Haven't been on RubMaps in awhile and a few times, I had a membership in the past for a quick one month period to explore the reviews. Couldn't remember the cost back then. But remembered that it was reasonable in price. Now it's almost $50 a month? Wow.There is some good info and the PM is more active then reviews. That said you can catch up on 6 months of posts in an hour. It's worth it now and then.
CO Companions worked entirely out of hotels and ended up getting busted last year or the year before.
Do you mean XO Companions?
Yes, but auto correct is a motherfucker.There was an intense conversation about XO bust on the other site. Girls complained that one of the owners was too drug dependent and reckless and so the bust didn't come as much a surprise.
Look man, are you trying to find a risk free proposition in the United States, especially here in the capital of American puritania? Boston International is probably the least risky hobbying option that you can get locally, especially with the owner and her notebook operating out of the country where prostitution is legal and that United States needs as much if not more than it needs the United States.
Everything else that you can find here in Boston is riskier than BI. It doesn't mean that BI is full proof. What in life is though? Moreover you do realize that you've long been participating in illegal activity already? Per them, if they had a choice, and if there'd be enough prison space: you and I would long be doing life with no possibility of parole! There are plenty of those who believe that you and I are already hardened criminals. For them inserting your Johnson into a wrong hole is worse than the worst murderer!
OldtimerMa
03-13-25, 11:35
The first (of 3) probable cause BTT hearing will be held tomorrow, March 14th. It's going to be at Cambridge District Court. It's going to be a media circus tomorrow in Medford.
Hyperion11
03-13-25, 23:10
The first (of 3) probable cause BTT hearing will be held tomorrow, March 14th. It's going to be at Cambridge District Court. It's going to be a media circus tomorrow in Medford.Is anyone curious enough to attend? Is there an option to view / listen online?
Is anyone curious enough to attend? Is there an option to view / listen online?They called up 12 dudes today but apparently only 2 showed up. You can see a few names on the Daily Mail site.
KatSuno1492
03-14-25, 17:02
The first (of 3) probable cause BTT hearing will be held tomorrow, March 14th. It's going to be at Cambridge District Court. It's going to be a media circus tomorrow in Medford.
Is anyone curious enough to attend? Is there an option to view / listen online?https://www.wcvb.com/article/high-end-brothel-investigation-hearings/64183016
Federal prosecutors say the clients include politicians, corporate executives, military officers, professors and scientists who often paid a monthly membership fee, in addition to $350 to $600 more hourly for prostitution services.
I never used BTT, but I don't recall hearing about them having a monthly membership fee?
Hyperion11
03-14-25, 21:21
Some interesting takeaways. Looks like cops focused on customers with more than 400 messages exchanged with the agency. All accused used real phone numbers, so the cops found them in their database easily, then pulled their RMV picture and compared it with the surveillance videos. I don't know if it was too much work going after the VOIP numbers or it's just a coincidence, but these guys really made it easy to be found. Each case is purely based on the text messages; it remains to be seen how this will play out in court and whether a judge will consider this as enough evidence.
That being said, it was a freaking farce and a sham. The clerk magistrate was clearly decided to approve all criminal charges and nothing said or done mattered to her. Hours and hours of police work, court time, and for what? The only two dudes that showed up in person were the opposite of "influence and power". And don't get me started on the idiots protesting outside the courthouse.
DarkClouds
03-14-25, 21:35
Appreciate you doing the legwork that I wanted to do. Yeah, mostly people walk into these kinds of situations when they ought to know better. I know guys who use their real credit cards to sign up for SA even today. It's like do you remember Ashley Madison? This isn't Thailand you know! Those protesters talking about trafficking? That had to be staged. Take one look at the two guys who were in court today and tell me if trafficking of any sort comes to mind. Hats off to the two guys who showed up. Maybe their attitude is yeah, so what? But I would not want to be in their place.
Some interesting takeaways. Looks like cops focused on customers with more than 400 messages exchanged with the agency. All accused used real phone numbers, so the cops found them in their database easily, then pulled their RMV picture and compared it with the surveillance videos. I don't know if it was too much work going after the VOIP numbers or it's just a coincidence, but these guys really made it easy to be found. Each case is purely based on the text messages; it remains to be seen how this will play out in court and whether a judge will consider this as enough evidence.
That being said, it was a freaking farce and a sham. The clerk magistrate was clearly decided to approve all criminal charges and nothing said or done mattered to her. Hours and hours of police work, court time, and for what? The only two dudes that showed up in person were the opposite of "influence and power". And don't get me started on the idiots protesting outside the courthouse.
BboyHeyMan
03-15-25, 02:10
The hearings and articles are flaring me up for some reason. Since the next two hearings are Mar 21 and Mar 28 would we have been notified by now if we were summoned? What is the likelihood there will be another wave of charges for more clients?
Hobbyist420
03-15-25, 06:54
Some interesting takeaways. Looks like cops focused on customers with more than 400 messages exchanged with the agency. All accused used real phone numbers, so the cops found them in their database easily, then pulled their RMV picture and compared it with the surveillance videos. I don't know if it was too much work going after the VOIP numbers or it's just a coincidence, but these guys really made it easy to be found. Each case is purely based on the text messages; it remains to be seen how this will play out in court and whether a judge will consider this as enough evidence.
That being said, it was a freaking farce and a sham. The clerk magistrate was clearly decided to approve all criminal charges and nothing said or done mattered to her. Hours and hours of police work, court time, and for what? The only two dudes that showed up in person were the opposite of "influence and power". And don't get me started on the idiots protesting outside the courthouse.Explains why a good portion of those dudes where over 60. Many of them probably don't even know what a "VOIP" is.
Explains why a good portion of those dudes where over 60. Many of them probably don't even know what a "VOIP" is.Only 3 of them are 60 and above.
Still trying to figure out who of them is "elite". Why would they do anything like that to absolutely normal guys who paid their own money for sex with the willingly participating adult women? Really feel for all of them but especially for the 75 year-old dude.
Some more details coming out:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/14/us-news/alleged-customers-at-high-end-brothel-serving-politicians-military-officials-unmasked-in-court-as-salacious-details-of-encounters-revealed/
Mattis1775
03-15-25, 09:28
Some more details coming out:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/14/us-news/alleged-customers-at-high-end-brothel-serving-politicians-military-officials-unmasked-in-court-as-salacious-details-of-encounters-revealed/What a joke. I don't even see those type of high details in criminal cases. A lot of careers will be destroyed over this and some of these guys are young.
Do we know for a fact that those caught used their real phone numbers (I. E. Phone numbers that could easily be traced back to them through a paid phone plan)? I've been reading up on several articles and haven't really seen that specific detail.
I think its pretty likely that they did, but curious if you can point out where that detail is mentioned.
Some interesting takeaways. Looks like cops focused on customers with more than 400 messages exchanged with the agency. All accused used real phone numbers, so the cops found them in their database easily, then pulled their RMV picture and compared it with the surveillance videos. I don't know if it was too much work going after the VOIP numbers or it's just a coincidence, but these guys really made it easy to be found. Each case is purely based on the text messages; it remains to be seen how this will play out in court and whether a judge will consider this as enough evidence.
That being said, it was a freaking farce and a sham. The clerk magistrate was clearly decided to approve all criminal charges and nothing said or done mattered to her. Hours and hours of police work, court time, and for what? The only two dudes that showed up in person were the opposite of "influence and power". And don't get me started on the idiots protesting outside the courthouse.
Hyperion11
03-15-25, 11:07
Do we know for a fact that those caught used their real phone numbers (I. E. Phone numbers that could easily be traced back to them through a paid phone plan)? I've been reading up on several articles and haven't really seen that specific detail.
I think its pretty likely that they did, but curious if you can point out where that detail is mentioned.It's in the recordings, you have to watch them. The usual police complaint is that they identified number ending in 'abcd', then they searched it in their database and found it belonging to individual X. Most of the time they also say the same phone number was used when X applied for a passport a number of years ago. In one case the number was linked to the suspect's father, as it looks like he was still on a family plan. That'd be funny, if it wasn't this entire shit show.
Got it, thanks for doing the legwork.
It's in the recordings, you have to watch them. The usual police complaint is that they identified number ending in 'abcd', then they searched it in their database and found it belonging to individual X. Most of the time they also say the same phone number was used when X applied for a passport a number of years ago. In one case the number was linked to the suspect's father, as it looks like he was still on a family plan. That'd be funny, if it wasn't this entire shit show.
ThizzleHats
03-15-25, 12:03
Do we know for a fact that those caught used their real phone numbers (I. E. Phone numbers that could easily be traced back to them through a paid phone plan)? I've been reading up on several articles and haven't really seen that specific detail.
I think its pretty likely that they did, but curious if you can point out where that detail is mentioned.They probably gave their full names and IDs like the article says. Wild that people do that.
Hobbyist420
03-15-25, 14:02
"And the johns were rigorously vetted before they were allowed to book an appointment, including being required to provide their full names, emails, phone numbers, employer and references, the feds claimed."
Why don't you give them your SSN while you are at it? Lmao just trying to get pussy here, not apply for a mortgage.
That being said, if the "politicians, corporate execs, military officials" don't get called to the stand here in the next few weeks... I hope this entire thing backfires on the state in a public relations way. It probably won't considering our puritan society, but it should because if they just out the commoners who used this service and not the high profile people, it will be seen (and they probably are) protecting the higher class folk. What a waste of state resources.
Mattis1775
03-15-25, 14:06
Still trying to figure out who of them is "elite".I'm sure there are a lot of people they didn't name, especially the "elite" that you're talking about. The ones that had to be exposed either didn't care or didn't have the money to fight it. Then again, Bob Kraft couldn't get away from the exposure, just for a handjob.
Regardless of age and how the charges will be added to their records, will effect them for the rest of their lives. One of them worked at one of the top hospitals and can guarantee he isn't going to be allowed to see female patients or even a job in that industry at all.
"And the johns were rigorously vetted before they were allowed to book an appointment, including being required to provide their full names, emails, phone numbers, employer and references, the feds claimed."
Why don't you give them your SSN while you are at it? Lmao just trying to get pussy here, not apply for a mortgage.
That being said, if the "politicians, corporate execs, military officials" don't get called to the stand here in the next few weeks... I hope this entire thing backfires on the state in a public relations way. It probably won't considering our puritan society, but it should because if they just out the commoners who used this service and not the high profile people, it will be seen (and they probably are) protecting the higher class folk. What a waste of state resources.One dude is kind of corporate executive, leading a drug developing company in the field of oncology. Well, if his company is successful, give him all the hoes he wants for free!
Some more details coming out:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/14/us-news/alleged-customers-at-high-end-brothel-serving-politicians-military-officials-unmasked-in-court-as-salacious-details-of-encounters-revealed/That's funny. They list all the purported VIP clients and specify that there was even a radiologist among them! Imagine that? That's like nailing the Secretary of State or something.
The hearings and articles are flaring me up for some reason. Since the next two hearings are Mar 21 and Mar 28 would we have been notified by now if we were summoned? What is the likelihood there will be another wave of charges for more clients?All the summons went out in December / January 2024. I believe they were delivered certified mail so you would've had to sign for it or a notice would be posted on your door about the mail.
As for any more charges. I can't see how they'd find any of this worth their time. The media sensationalized this into some high profile sting, now everyone's realizing these are just normal every day people. Sinking more hours into that investigation to charge a bunch of nobodies with misdemeanors would be beyond stupid.
That's funny. They list all the purported VIP clients and specify that there was even a radiologist among them! Imagine that? That's like nailing the Secretary of State or something.And the Epstein list is still hush. Wonder why?
That's funny. They list all the purported VIP clients and specify that there was even a radiologist among them! Imagine that? That's like nailing the Secretary of State or something.And the radiologist dude is even not a doctor. He is a technician!
Jack A Dogov
03-15-25, 22:56
I'm sure a few of you have done this but I'm curious about traveling with a provider. Good idea or bad idea? Worth it or not? A few years ago I had one provider ask me if I wanted to travel with her. (Full disclosure, I never saw her professionally. We had a platonic non pay relationship. We hung out several times, dinner, lunch, shopping, discussing the business etc.) We ended up having a falling out so it never happened but I'm wondering what it would have been like if we had. There are a few that I have been with that I've considered asking. Two are currently active and the others have now retired or moved away so I missed my chance. Do you pay them for the entire time? Do you just pay for their trip? Or what? The trip I am thinking about would be to another country so they'd need a passport.
I'm sure a few of you have done this but I'm curious about traveling with a provider. Good idea or bad idea? Worth it or not? A few years ago I had one provider ask me if I wanted to travel with her. (Full disclosure, I never saw her professionally. We had a platonic non pay relationship. We hung out several times, dinner, lunch, shopping, discussing the business etc.) We ended up having a falling out so it never happened but I'm wondering what it would have been like if we had. There are a few that I have been with that I've considered asking. Two are currently active and the others have now retired or moved away so I missed my chance. Do you pay them for the entire time? Do you just pay for their trip? Or what? The trip I am thinking about would be to another country so they'd need a passport.Honestly taking a provider out of the country for your first vacation together is a bad idea and opens you up to potentially a ton of B. S. I'd start with an overnight or a weekend away somewhere drivable and work your way up from there once you know you guys are compatible in more ways than just between the sheets.
Jack A Dogov
03-16-25, 08:34
Honestly taking a provider out of the country for your first vacation together is a bad idea and opens you up to potentially a ton of B. S. I'd start with an overnight or a weekend away somewhere drivable and work your way up from there once you know you guys are compatible in more ways than just between the sheets.Thanks. Your points are valid and you're 100% right about the potential B. S. involved going out of the country. I like the idea of an overnight first before anything else.
Downtown Boy
03-16-25, 12:51
And the Epstein list is still hush. Wonder why?https://skipthegames.com/posts/providence/female-escorts/caucasian_w/gorgeous-redheadincallsoutcall/817095715672
Guys for the life of me I feel so bad for the men that got arrested I'm not going to say something stupid like I'm glad this happened. Because I don't want no one to get arrested but on the other hand when guys are putting fuel to the fire and sending their driver's license real phone numbers to these girls that feel entitled. Then what the hell do you think is going to happen? I mean I had a conversation with the red head down in Rhode Island named Kat we.
Got into an argument because she didn't want to see me without me sending her all my personal information and she told me she has thousands of clients with their real phone numbers pictures addresses she even told me she can ruin a lot of people's lives and do a lot of men dirty. But she would never do that. And I'm like oh yeah? if you get arrested by the police I'm sure you're going to rat all these guys out. So for the life of me just because these girls have.
A hole that bleeds every month and feel entitled to charge $500 and want all your personal information tell them to go fly a kite and just do not give them your personal info. Obviously nobody listens because men continually get arrested because of the stupid behavior. I have over 100 girls that are under the radar that charge $100 and will spend two three hours with me and before you blow up my inbox I put in a lot of work and it pays off on Facebook Snapchat Instagram etc. Why guys continue to jeopardize their whole life is really beyond me.
Hyperion11
03-16-25, 17:36
A hole that bleeds every month and feel entitled to charge $500 and want all your personal information tell them to go fly a kite and just do not give them your personal info. Obviously nobody listens because men continually get arrested because of the stupid behavior. I have over 100 girls that are under the radar that charge $100 and will spend two three hours with me and before you blow up my inbox I put in a lot of work and it pays off on Facebook Snapchat Instagram etc. Why guys continue to jeopardize their whole life is really beyond me.10 years ago I went through the screening for Boston Asian Dolls. When they went bust I was scared shitless for a long time, as they threatened to go after the customers. Luckily they didn't, but I've never shared personal details again. All I've ever agreed to send was a TER handle and generalities like name (fake one), age, race. If the cops really want to, they'll probably find you. But don't make it easy for them!
ThizzleHats
03-17-25, 14:45
https://skipthegames.com/posts/providence/female-escorts/caucasian_w/gorgeous-redheadincallsoutcall/817095715672
Got into an argument because she didn't want to see me without me sending her all my personal information and she told me she has thousands of clients with their real phone numbers pictures addresses she even told me she can ruin a lot of people's lives and do a lot of men dirty. But she would never do that. And I'm like oh yeah? if you get arrested by the police I'm sure you're going to rat all these guys out. So for the life of me just because these girls have.
We should be texting them to setup dates and when they try to screen us say "nevermind, my safety is too important" then maybe they'd get the message.
https://skipthegames.com/posts/providence/female-escorts/caucasian_w/gorgeous-redheadincallsoutcall/817095715672
Guys for the life of me I feel so bad for the men that got arrested I'm not going to say something stupid like I'm glad this happened. Because I don't want no one to get arrested but on the other hand when guys are putting fuel to the fire and sending their driver's license real phone numbers to these girls that feel entitled. Then what the hell do you think is going to happen? I mean I had a conversation with the red head down in Rhode Island named Kat we.
Got into an argument because she didn't want to see me without me sending her all my personal information and she told me she has thousands of clients with their real phone numbers pictures addresses she even told me she can ruin a lot of people's lives and do a lot of men dirty. But she would never do that. And I'm like oh yeah? if you get arrested by the police I'm sure you're going to rat all these guys out. So for the life of me just because these girls have.
A hole that bleeds every month and feel entitled to charge $500 and want all your personal information tell them to go fly a kite and just do not give them your personal info. Obviously nobody listens because men continually get arrested because of the stupid behavior. I have over 100 girls that are under the radar that charge $100 and will spend two three hours with me and before you blow up my inbox I put in a lot of work and it pays off on Facebook Snapchat Instagram etc. Why guys continue to jeopardize their whole life is really beyond me.I saw her in the past -- she's a fun time (Generally) but she's expensive and when I started seeing her, she didn't screen like that.
PogoBouncer
03-18-25, 16:19
Would never give all personal info. But Don't know any service that don't demand it. Whelp I like indies anyways cause they keep all the money. Would be good to have more indies in town instead of wltham or woburn. Please share if you know any good ones that don't demand full screening info!
"And the johns were rigorously vetted before they were allowed to book an appointment, including being required to provide their full names, emails, phone numbers, employer and references, the feds claimed."
Why don't you give them your SSN while you are at it? Lmao just trying to get pussy here, not apply for a mortgage.
That being said, if the "politicians, corporate execs, military officials" don't get called to the stand here in the next few weeks... I hope this entire thing backfires on the state in a public relations way. It probably won't considering our puritan society, but it should because if they just out the commoners who used this service and not the high profile people, it will be seen (and they probably are) protecting the higher class folk. What a waste of state resources.
Hyperion11
03-21-25, 15:54
Looks like the mob finally got a head today: a Cambridge city councilor: https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-21/cambridge-city-councilor-facing-charges-of-buying-sex-in-high-end-brothel-case.
Debatable how important he really is, but that doesn't matter for our puritan society.
On a different note, finally a bit of press decency? GBH news, in the above linked article, refuses to name the other alleged sex buyers, as they're not people of prominence. Of course, the gesture is futile, as their names are all over.
AsianHotWifeX
03-21-25, 16:37
This is what happens when you post peoples full names.
A2
Hyperion11
03-22-25, 16:20
Looks like the mob finally got a head today: a Cambridge city councilor: https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-21/cambridge-city-councilor-facing-charges-of-buying-sex-in-high-end-brothel-case.
Debatable how important he really is, but that doesn't matter for our puritan society.
On a different note, finally a bit of press decency? GBH news, in the above linked article, refuses to name the other alleged sex buyers, as they're not people of prominence. Of course, the gesture is futile, as their names are all over.I couldn't find recordings for all Friday's hearings, but the ones I listened to followed once again the same pattern: people using real phone numbers, searchable in the police database and easily traceable to the owners. One dude went as far as using his work phone. Let it be a lesson. Use a damn burner.
Rubber Ducky Boston
03-24-25, 15:53
So what's the purpose of all this hullabaloo? I highly doubt any of the providers were coerced into this and were there against their will. Are they just going after people on the client list to shame them in public? What a waste of time and resources just to ruin a few people's lives.
Also all these activists who protest these type of things are so annoying. In the age where everyone and their mother has an onlyfans account, do they really find it so hard to believe that people wouldn't voluntarily want to make several hundred dollars per hour tax free doing sexwork? They're always screaming trafficking this, trafficking that, when almost everytime a big newsworthy case breaks, nobody's there against their will beyond whoever the police coerce to flip to avoid charges. The complete lack of actual research and facts on their part is so dumb.
Not to say there aren't instances that it happens and in that case it should be punished FOR SURE, but come on, a mid tier or higher agency is not trafficking people against their will. Most of these women are willingly visiting the states for a few months, then taking the plane back home probably having made tens of thousands of dollars tax free and in a much stronger currency than their home currency. Most of them freely switch from agency to agency depending on what they prefer, go out to eat at nearby restaurants, and go shopping and stuff too, I had one provider show me her recent expensive haul of handbags she bought from her earnings to take back home. They're not held against their will.
Seems as soon as one gets popped another is waiting in the wings.
Seems as soon as one gets popped another is waiting in the wings.I know, eh? They host in the same area where 2 previous Korean agencies that got busted: Boston Top Ten (BTT) & Boston Asian Dolls (BAD) used to host.
I know Boston Temptations (BT) address, and I wonder if it's the same building where BAD used to be. I never visited Boston Asian Dolls girls but remember reading that they used to host somewhere around Alewife, which is exactly where BT is at. Un-effing-real. All this while BTT case is still going strong and 28 of our brethren are being put through judicial meatgrinder for no effing reason at all! The hobbyists who visit Bt must either be curious to experience the inner workings of Massachusetts judicial system on themselves, or do bungee jumping.
Hyperion11
03-28-25, 11:57
Last Cambridge show cause hearings. Last names disclosed.
So far, it looks like one or two biotech executives, a doctor, an actor and maybe a business owner. No elected official, military, or any prominence figures. I remember the whole noise around high level officials, with security clearances, that could be blackmailed due to their involvement. All a smoke show.
On the same topic, a good article presenting sex worker's position (https://www.cambridgeday.com/2025/03/27/sex-workers-and-the-black-response-seek-nuance-without-assumption-of-trafficking-in-brothel-case ). They insist that the "sex trafficking" label has been used too liberally and truly has nothing to do with this case. Even the US Attorney had to admin that "the evidence gathered during the investigation did not support charges of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion".
I really hope these guys fight their cases in instance and get them dismissed, so this shit show never repeats. I also read somewhere that the Virginia local persecutors refused to pursue the cases against customers due to lack of evidence. Of course, Massachusetts had to be different.
Hyperion11
03-28-25, 13:18
Noteworthy is that most of today's attorneys notified the magistrate that they don't contest the probable cause, hence the decision to approve the complaints was taken without the persecution reading the reports. Hence, we didn't get to hear the savory details. A smart move, I believe.
Partimer109
03-28-25, 14:33
Last Cambridge show cause hearings. Last names disclosed.
So far, it looks like one or two biotech executives, a doctor, an actor and maybe a business owner. No elected official, military, or any prominence figures. I remember the whole noise around high level officials, with security clearances, that could be blackmailed due to their involvement. All a smoke show.
On the same topic, a good article presenting sex worker's position (https://www.cambridgeday.com/2025/03/27/sex-workers-and-the-black-response-seek-nuance-without-assumption-of-trafficking-in-brothel-case ). They insist that the "sex trafficking" label has been used too liberally and truly has nothing to do with this case. Even the US Attorney had to admin that "the evidence gathered during the investigation did not support charges of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion"..Their lawyers should file for dismissal, is if the prosecution cannot present enough evidence to prove the defendant's guilt on human trafficking beyond a reasonable doubt, and then, launch a defamation claim to recover damages caused by the false accusations IMO.
DarkClouds
03-28-25, 20:32
Per the Globe report from today those charged (30 or so) are about 1% of the contacts found in the agency's records. How did they decide on that 1%?
Their lawyers should file for dismissal, is if the prosecution cannot present enough evidence to prove the defendant's guilt on human trafficking beyond a reasonable doubt, and then, launch a defamation claim to recover damages caused by the false accusations IMO.
Per the Globe report from today those charged (30 or so) are about 1% of the contacts found in the agency's records. How did they decide on that 1%?One common theme seems to be using personal cell phone rather than a burner. Easy to figure out who they were.
Partimer109
03-29-25, 02:22
Per the Globe report from today those charged (30 or so) are about 1% of the contacts found in the agency's records. How did they decide on that 1%?The judge is the one who gives opinions or designate it to senior court clerk to decide, the D. A. Also has a say in it, it's a sisterhood, brotherhood thing for people who practice law, for a win under their belt this could a be a career moment on the road to become a politician, according to news this is the first list of defendants, only they and their close circle know how many they will prosecute, if you have enough power and can pull strings things disappear https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/brothel-clients-names-johns-massachusetts-court-hearing/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/3/6/brothel-hearings-preview/ https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/03/14/cambridge-dc-sex-ring-alleged-buyers-show-cause-court https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-14/court-finds-evidence-to-charge-about-a-dozen-men-with-patronizing-a-high-end-brothel https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/cambridge-city-councilor-charged-brothel-bust/ https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/03/more-names-of-men-accused-of-paying-for-sex-at-cambridge-brothels-revealed.html https://www.nbcboston.com/investigations/massachusetts-brothel-bust/3551445/.
Hobbyist420
03-29-25, 11:20
Per the Globe report from today those charged (30 or so) are about 1% of the contacts found in the agency's records. How did they decide on that 1%?400+ messages logged with the booker seems to be the consistent theme of each John they arraigned, along with phone matching and video footage I'd from the building in other cases.
DarkClouds
03-29-25, 12:07
Thanks. Makes sense. So, it was a combination of transparent behavior (using real phone, providing LinkedIn information, etc) and frequent behavior (repeat visits, better chance to get good surveillance video). Both sort of come down to building a rock solid case that can't easily be refuted. I never mess with agencies or any sort of structured arrangements (only independent amateurs). And I also rarely repeat. Both seem to be good best practices to follow.
400+ messages logged with the booker seems to be the consistent theme of each John they arraigned, along with phone matching and video footage I'd from the building in other cases.
Because I've visited that dumbfounded Jenny lady before out here in my area. I still assume she is or was being handled before!? By a Agency manager person or whatever asshole Entity. Whomever may have representing her at the time I briefly saw her! Not sure that was really her? Because there been a couple reports of people wondering if it's not always her. Those were posted a while back. The girl I saw was rude and very curt to me in that brief time I was there. Before I left without giving up my donation. And now I worry if that was really some agency crap-Ola?? With all this busts of agencies stuff and people being in Court. I don't like that I was on camera years ago, visiting some potentially pimped out Asian lady. Via from a manager agency or whatever. It makes me not trust the Asians who provide. As they are sloppy, by letting people run them. If they were all mostly independent, I'd like them more. And not worry about potential legal trouble.
I like to worry a tiny bits, it cures my bored brain. So don't bash or do, idc. Lmao. You guys on this Forum or in this Hobby, ya keep seeing these mechanical Asian broads. Ha, more Power to ya.
Hyperion11
03-29-25, 14:16
Thanks. Makes sense. So, it was a combination of transparent behavior (using real phone, providing LinkedIn information, etc) and frequent behavior (repeat visits, better chance to get good surveillance video). Both sort of come down to building a rock solid case that can't easily be refuted. I never mess with agencies or any sort of structured arrangements (only independent amateurs). And I also rarely repeat. Both seem to be good best practices to follow.I bet at least some of them will try to play it as "yes, I was there, I enjoy a nice massage, but no sex. So what if the agency offers GFE or bb, I was just paying for (maybe) a nude massage". Let's see how that works with a judge though.
DarkClouds
03-29-25, 14:31
Have a look at the NY Post article. The agency sent out a whole menu of services with very strict prices. And I believe the agency kept detailed records. As a result, prosecutors are convincingly able to claim you paid X for service Y (which, by the way, was NOT a massage based on the pricing menu you were sent). This is why only 1% of the customer list were charged. Where prosecutors were able to put all of the ducks in a row and build a rock solid case. So, my prediction is that these 30 or so who were charged are going down. Again, this is why my mantra is: only deal with amateurs, never let your guard down (zero transparency), and never repeat. Sadly, this is the puritanical world we live in.
https://nypost.com/2025/03/14/us-news/alleged-customers-at-high-end-brothel-serving-politicians-military-officials-unmasked-in-court-as-salacious-details-of-encounters-revealed/
I bet at least some of them will try to play it as "yes, I was there, I enjoy a nice massage, but no sex. So what if the agency offers GFE or bb, I was just paying for (maybe) a nude massage". Let's see how that works with a judge though.
Hyperion11
03-29-25, 14:49
Have a look at the NY Post article. The agency sent out a whole menu of services with very strict prices. And I believe the agency kept detailed records. As a result, prosecutors are convincingly able to claim you paid X for service Y (which, by the way, was NOT a massage based on the pricing menu you were sent). This is why only 1% of the customer list were charged. Where prosecutors were able to put all of the ducks in a row and build a rock solid case. So, my prediction is that these 30 or so who were charged are going down. Again, this is why my mantra is: only deal with amateurs, never let your guard down (zero transparency), and never repeat. Sadly, this is the puritanical world we live in.
https://nypost.com/2025/03/14/us-news/alleged-customers-at-high-end-brothel-serving-politicians-military-officials-unmasked-in-court-as-salacious-details-of-encounters-revealed/Fair point, I guess it remains to be seen. I don't feel all the cases are that solid, but persecutors put them together just to show something up. I mean, if I get lunch at a restaurant, and the waiter presents me the beer menu, does it mean I drank beer? Now, if I ask for a specific beer, that can be evidence, sure. So, customers that specifically asked for BB or GFE might be in trouble. The ones that only asked 30 minutes with Jisoo, might have a change, I reckon.
There is a reason Virginia persecutors refused to file charges (but it is true the law is different over there and requires stronger evidence).
1. Trafficking is essentially whatever LE and the media say it is. Whether real trafficking (force, coercion, intimidation, etc.) is happening is irrelevant. Both LE and the media have strong incentives for applying the label, facts be damned. And the same principle applies to the characterization of clients as "high profile" (govt officials, security clearances, etc.) by the LE-media beast. They can lie and misrepresent and will never be held to account.
2. Use of a phone number, email, or other method that can be traced to a person's true identity makes that person the proverbial low-hanging fruit. Using a burner phone may not be an absolute guarantee, but it does move one higher up the tree and harder to reach.
3. As I understand it, the MA statute declares that a crime has been committed once an offer or agreement is made re exchanging a sexual act for a fee. That crime exists whether or not the act is consummated. As I see it, any menu of services and prices sent to clients pretty much checks that box. It's hard to imagine any response, other than something like "Sorry, my mistake" (and ending the conversation), that might provide a client with an escape hatch. And, factoring in multiple text exchanges and visits, it becomes a slam dunk.
4. Nobody in LE specifically set out to catch mongers. They were simply collateral damage from the money laundering case against the owners. But, once LE decided to thump their chest and show off as the Dudley Doorights keeping the community safe from all the Snidely Whiplashes out there (kudos if you get the reference), and once the media smelled blood in the water, the path was inevitable.
5. The same statute would be in play if these mongers had been caught in a old-fashioned street sting in which they agreed to pay $40 for a blow job to an undercover female cop. The massive double standard is that such an arrest would likely have been handled out of the public eye. Painful, yes, but probably not life-ruining.
6. With respect to the future, and this is important (IMO), a precedent has been set in MA such that show cause hearings are not what they were, or at least the expectation of keeping things low key might be at risk. Again, it'll be the LE-media dynamic that will determine the outcome. They won't be required to go full volume, but they can if they want.
7. PII in any form, once it leaves your sole control, can come back to bite you in the ass. Maybe it'll never happen, or maybe once in a great while, but the results can be catastrophic.
Discussion: There's zero downside for LE and the media in describing almost any prostitution-related activity as trafficking. Narrative is everything and facts be damned (or ignored). About the only thing that would be hard to spin as trafficking would be patronizing a true independent (professional or amateur). The solicitation statute still applies, but it's not worth the time and effort for LE to go after a single misdemeanor. It was the use of traceable comms PLUS the agreement implied by discussing menu items that screwed these guys. Even with that, had it not been for the interstate money-laundering and "trafficking" angle + media frenzy, things might have been different.
The smart providers out there will only say they're being paid for their time, nothing more, and any further specifics will only be discussed in person. Established providers have plenty of reviews such that there's no need for explicit text exchanges. To sum up, it seems to me that the critical mistake, more than PII or traceable phone or 400+ texts or video surveillance, was the offer-agreement implicit in the communications about $$$ for services. Without that, I don't think LE would have been able to make the case.
Any other lessons I may have missed?
Hyperion11
04-02-25, 10:00
3. As I understand it, the MA statute declares that a crime has been committed once an offer or agreement is made re exchanging a sexual act for a fee. That crime exists whether or not the act is consummated. As I see it, any menu of services and prices sent to clients pretty much checks that box. It's hard to imagine any response, other than something like "Sorry, my mistake" (and ending the conversation), that might provide a client with an escape hatch. And, factoring in multiple text exchanges and visits, it becomes a slam dunk.
Say, once they send me donation and services (GFE, etc.) I reply with "I agree with the donation, but just to be clear, I only want a massage from a cute chick". Will that save my ass? Maybe, maybe not, but it should throw a wrench in the LE persecution plans.
DarkClouds
04-02-25, 11:59
I think you captured it well. I continue to be shocked by how dumb these supposedly smart people were. Especially the ones who showed up in person for the hearings. I suppose they had no guidance and went into it quite blind. I still see people proudly dealing with agencies, pros, participating in the street scene, using their real CC to sign up on sites, and so on. They are asking for trouble and playing with fire. And not only from an LE perspective but also in terms of inviting blackmail, fatal attraction cases, and so on. Oh, and I had to look up the Dudley Do-Right reference.
Any other lessons I may have missed?
Guillaume123
04-07-25, 07:59
This really vindicates those of us who strictly refused to send personal info to agencies and escorts. It is not the first time the info leaked to the police and it is not the last time.
I love the WSJ article where they interview an investigator who makes fun of the clients who where foolish enough to send all their personal info, calling them "brainy" professionals:
"Former vice detectives told The Wall Street Journal they were surprised at the brothel's exclusivity and organization—and that so many brainy professionals would surrender personal details to it. ".
From the WSJ Article: https://archive.is/wFJaj.
DarkClouds
04-07-25, 09:45
Funny, that text from the agency that says only GFE, no BB. I thought the two were synonymous.
This really vindicates those of us who strictly refused to send personal info to agencies and escorts. It is not the first time the info leaked to the police and it is not the last time.
I love the WSJ article where they interview an investigator who makes fun of the clients who where foolish enough to send all their personal info, calling them "brainy" professionals:
"Former vice detectives told The Wall Street Journal they were surprised at the brothel's exclusivity and organizationand that so many brainy professionals would surrender personal details to it. ".
From the WSJ Article: https://archive.is/wFJaj.
Funny, that text from the agency that says only GFE, no BB. I thought the two were synonymous.Is one of those terms that means different things to different people, especially providers. If one is advertising GFE, need to verify what she means by that.
My understanding of GFE is DFK and BBBJ.
Peter Johnson
04-07-25, 17:14
This really vindicates those of us who strictly refused to send personal info to agencies and escorts. It is not the first time the info leaked to the police and it is not the last time.
.Yes, so true. I do understand the temptation, when you are backed up and not thinking clearly but I've never sent such info to an agency or escort and I never will. It's just too much risk, for the potential reward.
This really vindicates those of us who strictly refused to send personal info to agencies and escorts. It is not the first time the info leaked to the police and it is not the last time.
I love the WSJ article where they interview an investigator who makes fun of the clients who where foolish enough to send all their personal info, calling them "brainy" professionals:
"Former vice detectives told The Wall Street Journal they were surprised at the brothel's exclusivity and organizationand that so many brainy professionals would surrender personal details to it. ".
From the WSJ Article: https://archive.is/wFJaj.Wow, Fawcett St building next to that cannabis dispensary. I recognize it. Have been there few times. Visited Shu when she just moved there from the old place before moving back. Also Ruby who I think just did a stint for Boston International. Nice woman. I remember she cooked me some real tasty Korean food after the appointment. No, not Kim Chi or Bulgogi, some other staff LOL.
Homie isn't lyin'.
https://youtu.be/1CuUCStaZSY?si=PcK_pRzQ8TH6jPvj
SirRooney42
04-17-25, 11:29
Any tips on first time fun time agreements with the ladies?
I know avoid any deposits or the fake super hot ones.
Thanks.
Mattis1775
04-17-25, 14:38
Homie isn't lyin'.
https://youtu.be/1CuUCStaZSY?si=PcK_pRzQ8TH6jPvjLove it! 5050. If the man is paying the bills, then she'll do her share by buying clothes for him and cooking. Yeah, what happens when the man loses his job? The Pig will say good-bye. They're all the same.
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