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[EireAnn]

And more inaccuracy and sensationalism to get people angry and get the walk of shame. This is disgusting.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/29/metro/mass-brothel-caseDisgusting is the right word. The ignorance on this one is off the charts! What difference does the truth make if you can sell another paper.

[Hyperion11]

Any chance you can give a cliff notes version? No chance I'm giving that rag even a penny.https://web.archive.org/web/20240129163558/https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/29/metro/mass-brothel-case/

[DarkClouds]

Web archive works, but you still have to disable JS to get rid of the popup.


https://web.archive.org/web/20240129163558/https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/29/metro/mass-brothel-case/[/URL]

[JmSuttr]

Web archive works, but you still have to disable JS to get rid of the popup.https://archive.is/NUrpz

But the article isn't worth the bandwidth it takes up because it's a generic anti-trafficking rant that references the BTT case to push its BS narrative. Real opportunistic shit. They should be ashamed.

[CarloIsCrazy87]

Disgusting is the right word. The ignorance on this one is off the charts! What difference does the truth make if you can sell another paper.My god this really is off the charts with BS. James O'Keefe should do an investigation into these women behind the scenes to show how it really works. They live a better life than most of the customers. Nice apartments in Queens or LA with wads of cash in safes, designer clothes, and handbags, vacations, meals at nice restaurants, etc.

This shows that what we are told in the news is not representative of the real story; that goes for everything, not just this situation.

[TheGodsDecree]

My god this really is off the charts with BS. James O'Keefe should do an investigation into these women behind the scenes to show how it really works. They live a better life than most of the customers. Nice apartments in Queens or LA with wads of cash in safes, designer clothes, and handbags, vacations, meals at nice restaurants, etc.

This shows that what we are told in the news is not representative of the real story; that goes for everything, not just this situation.The public does not read anything in detail, and the press knows it. In the affidavit, there is no mention of people being coerced against their wills or victims. The affidavit was about:

1. A multi-state ring run by foreigners from Korea. Crossing state lines made this became a "human trafficking issue."

2. Fraud with COVID funds.

3. Running prostitution, which is illegal in the states where the ring operated.

4. Money that did not pay taxes.

And that's it. If they keep pushing this BS, the investigators should, therefore, go further and investigate the girls to understand they were doing this by their own decision. They are sex workers, that's what it means, people who sell sex in exchange for money. They are no victims; they are still working in other states. I think the feds know this already, but local LE and press are, I don't know, justifying their existence. Who knows what the fuck they want to do. Again, I understand that politicians and people with security clearances should be fucked. The rest? I don't see the point. That won't stop the prostitution "problem. " Just see the other forums, they are active as usual. The more I read the new posts from the journals, the less I trust in all of them. Imagine how many lies they say in many different matters. Disgusting.

[JmSuttr]

The public does not read anything in detail, and the press knows it. In the affidavit, there is no mention of people being coerced against their wills or victims. The affidavit was about:

1. A multi-state ring run by foreigners from Korea. Crossing state lines made this became a "human trafficking issue."

2. Fraud with COVID funds.

3. Running prostitution, which is illegal in the states where the ring operated.

4. Money that did not pay taxes.

And that's it. If they keep pushing this BS, the investigators should, therefore, go further and investigate the girls to understand they were doing this by their own decision. They are sex workers, that's what it means, people who sell sex in exchange for money. They are no victims; they are still working in other states. I think the feds know this already, but local LE and press are, I don't know, justifying their existence. Who knows what the fuck they want to do. Again, I understand that politicians and people with security clearances should be fucked. The rest? I don't see the point. That won't stop the prostitution "problem. " Just see the other forums, they are active as usual. The more I read the new posts from the journals, the less I trust in all of them. Imagine how many lies they say in many different matters. Disgusting.There are all kinds of things that began as some type of social issue and then grew into full-fledged industries. Some that come to mind are anti-drug efforts, homelessness, climate change, and (of course) anti-trafficking. One thing they have in common is that there's a shitload of money sloshing around and lots of people who want to grab some of it. You have govt agencies who either get or give grants and they make themselves look good by saying how much money they've thrown at the problem. Then you have NGOs, and groups of all kinds, jumping on the bandwagon and clamoring for their piece of the action. And the media is the ever-present partner, enabler, and megaphone.

Of course, no matter how loud the outcry, or how much hand-wringing goes on, the problem is never solved. Legalizing or decriminalizing prostitution, as other countries have done successfully, is not an option because that would derail the gravy train. It would be fascinating to see how much the CEOs and officers of these "non-profits" are paying themselves, and what their travel and expense accounts look like. Once again, follow the money.

[Matty1169]

It's called at PeoplesCourtAudit on YouTube. It's a really entertaining YT channel if anyone wants to check it out. People film their Rights to dumb LE officers, who think they know the Law, better than civilians. On particular things, but then the civilians school the officer, by outeducating them. Making them look like fools, Owning the officer, is what these YouTubers call it. LMAO, very entertaining, MHO.

I know Lusty definitely knows his stuff and so don't lot of you, In General. Of when it comes to "Am I being detained officer I know my Rights if not I'm going to move along ". I remember him mentioning this type of stuff in the past and I'm always a fan of those posts. AM Acknowledge Me you funny too brotha. I appreciate you guys knowledge. Mean this sincerely.

[JmSuttr]

It's called at PeoplesCourtAudit on YouTube. It's a really entertaining YT channel if anyone wants to check it out. People film their Rights to dumb LE officers, who think they know the Law, better than civilians. On particular things, but then the civilians school the officer, by outeducating them. Making them look like fools, Owning the officer, is what these YouTubers call it. LMAO, very entertaining, MHO.

I know Lusty definitely knows his stuff and so don't lot of you, In General. Of when it comes to "Am I being detained officer I know my Rights if not I'm going to move along ". I remember him mentioning this type of stuff in the past and I'm always a fan of those posts. AM Acknowledge Me you funny too brotha. I appreciate you guys knowledge. Mean this sincerely.I haven't watched that channel, and I'm sure it's entertaining, but I hope they make it clear that there are significant risks involved in "owning" LEOs, no matter how wrong or dumb they are.

That's because they have a LOT of different ways they can use, ethically or otherwise, to ensure that they get the last laugh. They have powers of arrest and detention and, if challenged (no matter how correctly), they can make your life pretty difficult. Here's an example: A monger gets stopped by LE as he's coming out of an AMP. He can obviously just remain silent, or say he was just getting a massage (and nothing else), but he decides he wants to teach the dumb LEO a lesson. After a few minutes pass, the LEO says something like "Do you smell that?" and says that he smells something that could be contraband (cannabis, hash, booze, whatever) and will need to detain you until he can investigate further. Then he calls for a drug-sniffing K-9 unit, which may be coming from far away. Then he calls for backup, and maybe a Sgt. Then they all confer to see what they can possibly do to screw with the guy pulling a "contempt of cop" attitude. Maybe the monger is squeaky clean, and his vehicle has absolutely Nothing wrong with it. In that case, all he's lost is time. But there's a not insignificant chance that they might find (or make up) something. Also, if they find some real or pretext reason to arrest you, they will almost certainly tow your vehicle. If that happens, they get to go through everything in your car (trunk included) without needing a search warrant. That's because they're allowed to take an inventory of the contents to protect against later claims that LE took something from the vehicle.

People can do what they want, and that's a risk-reward calculation everyone needs to make for themselves. FWIW, I'm keepin' my damn mouth shut, or the absolute bare minimum required, no matter what!

[Bosnas]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/operators-high-end-brothel-network-indicted-grand-jury

They couldn't make a case for Human Trafficking.

It's always about the money.

[TheGodsDecree]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/operators-high-end-brothel-network-indicted-grand-jury

They couldn't make a case for Human Trafficking.

It's always about t,he money.BTT was a brothel with women doing this by their own decision (they aren't victims). If johns are charged these women should be charged, too. If they plan a walk of shame then it should be for both clients and sex workers.

[Hyperion11]

This disgusting circus is back on track. SJC decided that:

<< I conclude that the Clerk-Magistrate's decision to open the show cause hearings and deny pre-hearing access to the applications for complaint does not constitute an abuse of discretion or error of law. Opening the show cause hearings to the public, as she found, promotes transparency, accountability, and public confidence in the judiciary by demonstrating that each individual accused of these crimes, no matter their station in life, is treated equally. The Clerk-Magistrate, in her findings, articulated an adequate basis for denying access to the applications for complaint; the disclosure of extraneous personal information could create "collateral consequences for the individuals involved, and gratuitously expose non-public information that would otherwise remain private for those persons for whom no probable cause is established. ".

So, hearings will be open to public, press won't get the actual applications.

[EireAnn]

This disgusting circus is back on track. SJC decided that:

<< I conclude that the Clerk-Magistrate's decision to open the show cause hearings and deny pre-hearing access to the applications for complaint does not constitute an abuse of discretion or error of law. Opening the show cause hearings to the public, as she found, promotes transparency, accountability, and public confidence in the judiciary by demonstrating that each individual accused of these crimes, no matter their station in life, is treated equally. The Clerk-Magistrate, in her findings, articulated an adequate basis for denying access to the applications for complaint; the disclosure of extraneous personal information could create "collateral consequences for the individuals involved, and gratuitously expose non-public information that would otherwise remain private for those persons for whom no probable cause is established. ".

So, hearings will be open to public, press won't get the actual applications.Makes absolutely no sense. The Feds couldn't even indict for human trafficking so what's the justification to open usually closed proceeding. This is really motivating me to move out of this shithole of a state. Running lives for a victimless crime is despicable.

[JmSuttr]

This disgusting circus is back on track. SJC decided that:

<< I conclude that the Clerk-Magistrate's decision to open the show cause hearings and deny pre-hearing access to the applications for complaint does not constitute an abuse of discretion or error of law. Opening the show cause hearings to the public, as she found, promotes transparency, accountability, and public confidence in the judiciary by demonstrating that each individual accused of these crimes, no matter their station in life, is treated equally. The Clerk-Magistrate, in her findings, articulated an adequate basis for denying access to the applications for complaint; the disclosure of extraneous personal information could create "collateral consequences for the individuals involved, and gratuitously expose non-public information that would otherwise remain private for those persons for whom no probable cause is established. ".

So, hearings will be open to public, press won't get the actual applications.In the federal system, an interim order by a single judge, or the decision of a panel (usually consisting of 3 judges) can be appealed to the entire court. For the federal system, at the appellate level, this is called a request for an 'en banc' review. Not sure how things work in MA but it's hard to imagine that a single justice will have the absolute last word on the matter. I would imagine that defense attorneys would appeal to the entire Supreme Court to hear their arguments on due process and privacy grounds. And it might even be possible for defense attorneys to turn to federal courts for protection of their clients' Constitutional rights.

Hard to say, but if this truly is the end of the legal trail for the public vs private determination, then everyone who's been summoned is screwed. We'll know soon enough as they'll either announce new probable cause hearing dates, or we'll hear about more delays.

[TommyDawson]

The providers literally bought their own flights to Boston and Virginia, completely negating the narrative these were helpless trafficked women.

The investigators admit the owners screened customers for the safety of the providers. There's zero evidence this was some foreign intel honeypot operation.

Only 60 grand was recovered when there was millions of deposits. The people who really made money here were the real estate developers in Boston and VA. All those rent payments add up.

The press release mentioned collaboration of various justice departments, the Cambridge / Watertown Police, and the US Postal Service. Local authorities in Virginia and noticeably missing.

This story was released on a Friday afternoon. The worst time if you want media coverage. The narrative in many of the comments sections has shifted away from "release the names of these politician sex traffickers" to "why are the Feds wasting resources policing consenting adults".

[SalamanderFour]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/operators-high-end-brothel-network-indicted-grand-jury

They couldn't make a case for Human Trafficking.

It's always about the money.Interesting that the primary investigating law enforcement agency was Homeland Security, and not the FBI or another more established federal agency.

[Bosnas]

Interesting that the primary investigating law enforcement agency was Homeland Security, and not the FBI or another more established federal agency.HSI always takes the lead on things like this.

[Matty1169]

And although I do definitely agree with you, I just thought they were entertaining vids, that's all. But everything you said was spot on man and you are 100% correct. I certainly wouldn't go around doing that shit, it's extremely risky. You do that type a stuff and it makes you a target with your local law enforcement. LMAO, a officer will be like "oh yeah fellas let's rough this joker clown up for taping us". You basically become a mark at that point. Me personally, I just like to avoid Drama with any LE people and just let them b. But it's always funny when the guys out here get smart aleck with the cops or they post about how they did before. I'm like "bro you're crazy, LMAO, but at the same time respect for having balls to be a wise ass to them". Even if you out school them at their own Game, it's best to not be a shrewd about it. I don't even bother with that shit, plus lot of you out here are smarter than me when it comes to stuff.

[JmSuttr]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/02/07/metro/high-end-brothel-sjc/

https://archive.is/pvocO

Looks like the privacy and due process arguments will be decided by the full court, assuming the SJC doesn't reject the appeals. That's pretty much what I expected.

Now it'll be interesting to see with what sense of urgency (or lack thereof) the SJC addresses the issue. And also whether they schedule any oral argumentation or simply decide based on the briefs submitted by all the parties. One other item of note is that, per the report, only 14 defendants filed appeals. Does that mean only 14 (alleged) clients are in legal jeopardy? If so, that doesn't square with earlier numbers (28, IIRC) that have been floated out there. Not sure what that means, exactly, but we'll learn more as the saga unfolds! Also, not sure how things work in MA, but it's possible there could be amicus briefs (from the media, and others), which could turn this into a real three-ring circus! Get the popcorn ready.

P.S. H / T to the Boston forum member who sent me the article. I don't have permission to divulge his handle, but I wanted to say a public thanks that I'm sure he'll see.

P. P.S. Second link to the article bypasses the paywall.

[EireAnn]

Shame there isn't a better use of the courts time and resources. I also saw there was a doctor in the group. The guy probably works 80+ hours a week giving back to the people and is faced with losing his career and reputation for letting off a little steam so he can keep going. Do we really want less doctors and divorces for a headline? This is beyond crazy at this point.

[Comcast7777]

Shame there isn't a better use of the courts time and resources. I also saw there was a doctor in the group. The guy probably works 80+ hours a week giving back to the people and is faced with losing his career and reputation for letting off a little steam so he can keep going. Do we really want less doctors and divorces for a headline? This is beyond crazy at this point.It really makes no sense. They're arguing for access because of all the media attention. The reason why it got so much attention is because of the media. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. All they have to do is stir up interest and then they get special access to material that they wouldn't otherwise? Fucking insane.

[Katokay]

I read both doj reports. Check online, they're viewable to the public. The main handler Han or Hana is a woman the other 2 are men. The providers were paid 50% of the fees and kept all tips. The providers were concerned about being caught not about being forced to prostitute. No one is being charged with trafficking. Media outlets are never going to report on most of the facts that don't portray the women as victims.

[JmSuttr]

I read both doj reports. Check online, they're viewable to the public. The main handler Han or Hana is a woman the other 2 are men. The providers were paid 50% of the fees and kept all tips. The providers were concerned about being caught not about being forced to prostitute. No one is being charged with trafficking. Media outlets are never going to report on most of the facts that don't portray the women as victims.The Federal case against the 3 primary defendants is a slam dunk, IMO. But the local cases against alleged clients seem to be turning into a can of worms. From the 28 enumerated in the initial press release, we're now apparently down to 14. At least 14 is the number of due process appeals that have reportedly been filed. What's become of the other 14 is anyone's guess.

DOJ isn't technically responsible for the local prosecutions, but they'll still lose face if anything goes wrong. They need the media to help sell the "trafficking" narrative so they'll both work together to keep that going, no matter what. And the media smells blood because they know publicly revealing the identities of the defendants will be a major coup (for them) and they don't care how many lives are ruined.

The only hope for any of the defendants is that there's a favorable ruling from the SJC on the due process and privacy issues. As I've posted previously, there may be a route into the federal court system on Constitutional grounds. But that's too far down the path to see right now. I'm sure at least some of the defense attorneys will make the attempt if and when that time comes.

Consider this as one of the scenarios DOJ and LE might be worried about: The number of potentially prosecutable cases drops (for whatever reason) from 28 to 14. Then, whether via public or private court hearings, only a few are found to meet the probable cause standard. After the media finishes crucifying those poor bastards, their attention will turn to LE and will ask WTF happened to the "strong" cases. And, IIRC, when the initial busts happened the Feds were trumpeting the large number of clients each agency had. So, if they've raised expectations and don't deliver, or under-deliver, negative public opinion is inevitable.

No "trafficking" convictions + very few (no?) "buyers of sex" convictions = major DOJ heartburn. Lots still to unfold, of course, so stay tuned.

[Hyperion11]

The Federal case against the 3 primary defendants is a slam dunk, IMO. But the local cases against alleged clients seem to be turning into a can of worms. From the 28 enumerated in the initial press release, we're now apparently down to 14. At least 14 is the number of due process appeals that have reportedly been filed. What's become of the other 14 is anyone's guess.

I would rather think that the other 14 don't have an attorney (yet). Maybe they cannot afford one? Or maybe they're just waiting to see what happens. Whatever decision is taken, will apply to all 28 anyway, so maybe they don't see a point in paying attorneys at this time.

[Comcast7777]

I would rather think that the other 14 don't have an attorney (yet). Maybe they cannot afford one? Or maybe they're just waiting to see what happens. Whatever decision is taken, will apply to all 28 anyway, so maybe they don't see a point in paying attorneys at this time.I lean this way as well. I can't imagine they dropped 14 cases as there's no reason for it at this juncture. Might as well see it through to the show cause hearing and go from there.

One thing that is strange though is the initial appeal to the SJC had 18 (I believe) alleged clients appeal. I wonder why that number dropped from 18 to 14 for this appeal.

[JmSuttr]

I would rather think that the other 14 don't have an attorney (yet). Maybe they cannot afford one? Or maybe they're just waiting to see what happens. Whatever decision is taken, will apply to all 28 anyway, so maybe they don't see a point in paying attorneys at this time.All of the alleged clients had enough discretionary income to (allegedly) spend on visits to the agencies. And it's doubtful that LE, at least with this initial tranche, would be targeting clients with just a few visits or anyone who doesn't meet the criteria they laid out when they made a big deal about how agency clients included prominent individuals.

All things considered, it's hard to imagine any defendant in this first group being someone who can't afford to hire a lawyer. And, considering the fact that their lives are at risk of being ruined, it's hard to imagine any defendant not hiring an attorney immediately after receiving a summons. Would you sit back and wait to see what happens? I certainly wouldn't. I'd not only hire a lawyer but I'd also be making a Plan B, Plan C, and a plan for as many scenarios as I could think up.

Maybe what you point out might possibly apply to one or two, but to fourteen? I think not. Also, the reason why every summoned defendant needs a lawyer now is because, no matter what the SJC decision is, the probable cause hearings will still take place. The only issue in dispute is whether they'll be public or private. So, IMO, any summoned individual who hasn't already hired a lawyer is a certifiable idiot.

[JmSuttr]

I lean this way as well. I can't imagine they dropped 14 cases as there's no reason for it at this juncture. Might as well see it through to the show cause hearing and go from there.

One thing that is strange though is the initial appeal to the SJC had 18 (I believe) alleged clients appeal. I wonder why that number dropped from 18 to 14 for this appeal.I responded to Hyperion in a separate post as to why I don't agree with his theory re lawyers and the missing 14 appeals. I do agree with your point that there's no incentive, at this point, for LE to drop any of the cases, which makes the current state of affairs even more strange. Also, your mention about the constantly changing numbers is one of the most interesting points to consider. We don't have enough info to know, but the shift from 28 to 18 to 14 is certainly evidence that something odd appears to be happening in the background.

If everything was going according to LE's plan, the 28 clients they announced as being referred for prosecution would likely have all received a summons. And all of them, or at least the vast majority of them, would have hired lawyers. Any lawyer worth his salt would have either filed their own appeal or would have joined with an appeal filed by one of the other lawyers. The logical end result would therefore have been reports of 28 (or close to that number) defendant appeals filed (separately or jointly).

The absence of 14 appeals is therefore quite a puzzle. I don't pretend to have any explanation but am just pointing out that it may be an indication of problems behind the scenes. Of course, it's also worth noting that all we're going on are media reports. But the local media attention has been so intense that any mistakes would likely be corrected promptly. It'll be interesting to see what kinds of reports come out in the coming days.

P.S. It occurs to me that it is possible that, after making the announcement about 28 clients, LE could have decided to go after 14 in one batch and delay the other 14 until later. But that's pure speculation on my part, and LE hasn't made any announcement along those lines. And that also doesn't explain the 18-to-14 number shift you mentioned. So, for the moment, it remains an unsolved puzzle.

[Ezra007]

So they have names in a calendar book and perhaps text messages. What other evidence do they have? They don't have any witnesses or physical evidence. Doubtful they have video evidence after so much time elapsed. It seems the for cause hearing would divulge 100% of the circumstantial evidence. I wonder if the prosecution is rethinking some of this.


I responded to Hyperion in a separate post as to why I don't agree with his theory re lawyers and the missing 14 appeals. I do agree with your point that there's no incentive, at this point, for LE to drop any of the cases, which makes the current state of affairs even more strange. Also, your mention about the constantly changing numbers is one of the most interesting points to consider. We don't have enough info to know, but the shift from 28 to 18 to 14 is certainly evidence that something odd appears to be happening in the background.

If everything was going according to LE's plan, the 28 clients they announced as being referred for prosecution would likely have all received a summons. And all of them, or at least the vast majority of them, would have hired lawyers. Any lawyer worth his salt would have either filed their own appeal or would have joined with an appeal filed by one of the other lawyers. The logical end result would therefore have been reports of 28 (or close to that number) defendant appeals filed (separately or jointly).

The absence of 14 appeals is therefore quite a puzzle. I don't pretend to have any explanation but am just pointing out that it may be an indication of problems behind the scenes. Of course, it's also worth noting that all we're going on are media reports. But the local media attention has been so intense that any mistakes would likely be corrected promptly. It'll be interesting to see what kinds of reports come out in the coming days.

P.S. It occurs to me that it is possible that, after making the announcement about 28 clients, LE could have decided to go after 14 in one batch and delay the other 14 until later. But that's pure speculation on my part, and LE hasn't made any announcement along those lines. And that also doesn't explain the 18-to-14 number shift you mentioned. So, for the moment, it remains an unsolved puzzle.

[JmSuttr]

So they have names in a calendar book and perhaps text messages. What other evidence do they have? They don't have any witnesses or physical evidence. Doubtful they have video evidence after so much time elapsed. It seems the for cause hearing would divulge 100% of the circumstantial evidence. I wonder if the prosecution is rethinking some of this.The prosecution generally never shows its cards until it has to. So, whether it's an indictment, or preliminary hearing, or probable cause hearing, they will show the bare minimum they feel is needed to move things to the trial phase.

At that point, discovery and pre-trial motions take place and a good defense attorney should be able to figure out if prosecutors have a strong or weak hand. Then they can advise their client as to whether they should seek a plea deal or fight the charges.

But the evidence against each defendant will be different, so it's hard to make any kind of blanket statement. That being said, we're now almost two months after the initial announcement about going after 28 clients. One would think that, before making so specific a statement, LE would have had all their ducks in a row with respect to those 28 cases. The more that time passes, and especially if it seems like that original number could be reduced, the more it makes you wonder about what's going on behind the scenes.

[Andir]

Met a guy at a dinner party at friends' house who turned out to be a sinologist (studies Chinese culture and traditions, generally speaking). Had an interesting conversation with him, and among other things he was talking about cultural differences between an averaged Chinese person and a generalized westerner. According to him, one of the biggest differences is the social acceptance of lying in Chinese culture while it's not the case in Western culture. Apparently the Chinese person doesn't see lying as a bad thing at all if it's done to gain something and especially to save face. So, if you start calling your Chinese gf a lying liar, she wouldn't even understand what you are talking about.

[MandarinOrange]

Met a guy at a dinner party at friends' house who turned out to be a sinologist (studies Chinese culture and traditions, generally speaking). Had an interesting conversation with him, and among other things he was talking about cultural differences between an averaged Chinese person and a generalized westerner. According to him, one of the biggest differences is the social acceptance of lying in Chinese culture while it's not the case in Western culture. Apparently the Chinese person doesn't see lying as a bad thing at all if it's done to gain something and especially to save face. So, if you start calling your Chinese gf a lying liar, she wouldn't even understand what you are talking about.Completely agree.

I got to know one of the ladies and after a while she was more 'honest about her situation'. She admitted that she was not completely honest at the beginning, but I could see it was to save face.

[KashkaiBoy]

For what it's worth, most of the delays so far have been due to wrangling over court process. The various filings and rulings over whether to have public vs. Private probable cause hearings itself, which usually is just a pro forma part of the process, have taken weeks. It's not LE or the prosecutors who are dragging their feet. They seem to have had their cases ready for some time.

In terms of evidence, the charging documents for the three managers say that there was a long period of surveillance. So I'd expect photos of clients entering and exiting, possibly video from interior cameras, etc. Some clients were stopped outside and gave statements, which could be incriminatory for themselves or others. LE had warrants for phone records, so yeah, texts and so on. BTW, in criminal law, it's very common for convictions to be only on the basis of circumstantial evidence, so that in and of itself is not an issue for the prosecutors. It's really about the quality of the circumstantial evidence.


The prosecution generally never shows its cards until it has to. So, whether it's an indictment, or preliminary hearing, or probable cause hearing, they will show the bare minimum they feel is needed to move things to the trial phase.

At that point, discovery and pre-trial motions take place and a good defense attorney should be able to figure out if prosecutors have a strong or weak hand. Then they can advise their client as to whether they should seek a plea deal or fight the charges.

But the evidence against each defendant will be different, so it's hard to make any kind of blanket statement. That being said, we're now almost two months after the initial announcement about going after 28 clients. One would think that, before making so specific a statement, LE would have had all their ducks in a row with respect to those 28 cases. The more that time passes, and especially if it seems like that original number could be reduced, the more it makes you wonder about what's going on behind the scenes.

[JmSuttr]

For what it's worth, most of the delays so far have been due to wrangling over court process. The various filings and rulings over whether to have public vs. Private probable cause hearings itself, which usually is just a pro forma part of the process, have taken weeks. It's not LE or the prosecutors who are dragging their feet. They seem to have had their cases ready for some time.

In terms of evidence, the charging documents for the three managers say that there was a long period of surveillance. So I'd expect photos of clients entering and exiting, possibly video from interior cameras, etc. Some clients were stopped outside and gave statements, which could be incriminatory for themselves or others. LE had warrants for phone records, so yeah, texts and so on. BTW, in criminal law, it's very common for convictions to be only on the basis of circumstantial evidence, so that in and of itself is not an issue for the prosecutors. It's really about the quality of the circumstantial evidence.My point about possible issues with prosecutions is based primarily on what, at the moment, appears to be the reduction in the number of defendants from the originally announced 28 to either 18 or 14 (depending on the report you read).

Based on the number of parties to the SJC appeals, there appears to be an absence of 10-14 appeals that one would reasonably expect to see. A couple of theories have been floated, such as inability to afford a lawyer or waiting to see what the SJC decides. I've addressed in a previous post why I find those explanations unpersuasive. To be clear, I don't claim to know the reason. All I'm saying is that the discrepancy in numbers raises the question as to what's going on behind the scenes.

Bottom line: If all 28 cases were good to go at the time of announcement, 28 cases should be going forward, and one would expect 28 (or close to that number) appeals on the due process and privacy issues. I don't disagree that the delays have been procedural, but that doesn't explain the mystery of what appears to be 10-14 missing defendants. And it's that last point that makes me wonder whether LE and the prosecution truly had their ducks in a row for each and every case. Whatever the explanation, we'll know when things finally get moving again.

P.S. A member sent me a PM that mentioned the controversy regarding the filling of the vacant SJC seat. I replied that, if that serves as a distraction, or if the SJC decides to wait until they have a full complement of justices, we could see further delays. In my reply I also mentioned that, after peeling back the constitutional due process issue, the underlying cases are really just piss-ant misdemeanors. The reason that might be relevant is because the SJC may not see this as an issue that demands immediate attention. But I'm not in MA, so you locals would know better than I how the SJC might act.

[Bran001]

My point about possible issues with prosecutions is based primarily on what, at the moment, appears to be the reduction in the number of defendants from the originally announced 28 to either 18 or 14 (depending on the report you read).

Based on the number of parties to the SJC appeals, there appears to be an absence of 10-14 appeals that one would reasonably expect to see. A couple of theories have been floated, such as inability to afford a lawyer or waiting to see what the SJC decides. I've addressed in a previous post why I find those explanations unpersuasive. To be clear, I don't claim to know the reason. All I'm saying is that the discrepancy in numbers raises the question as to what's going on behind the scenes.

Bottom line: If all 28 cases were good to go at the time of announcement, 28 cases should be going forward, and one would expect 28 (or close to that number) appeals on the due process and privacy issues. I don't disagree that the delays have been procedural, but that doesn't explain the mystery of what appears to be 10-14 missing defendants. And it's that last point that makes me wonder whether LE and the prosecution truly had their ducks in a row for each and every case. Whatever the explanation, we'll know when things finally get moving again.

P.S. A member sent me a PM that mentioned the controversy regarding the filling of the vacant SJC seat. I replied that, if that serves as a distraction, or if the SJC decides to wait until they have a full complement of justices, we could see further delays. In my reply I also mentioned that, after peeling back the constitutional due process issue, the underlying cases are really just piss-ant misdemeanors. The reason that might be relevant is because the SJC may not see this as an issue that demands immediate attention. But I'm not in MA, so you locals would know better than I how the SJC might act.With all due respect, essentially none of what you wrote reflects how criminal cases are litigated in the Commonwealth.

Yes, only some of the defendants are purusing the 'privacy' issue that is before the SJC. That does not mean or even imply that the others have been dismissed out, or that there is some "problem" with the prosecutors' cases against them, etc. Not all defendants needed to pursue this issue in order for the prosecutors to decide to put a halt to the entire process whilst this issue is being decided.

The notion that the prosecutors didn't have their "ducks in a row" with respect to the so-called missing defendants is absolutely baseless. There clearly has not been enough process yet to even get to that conclusion. The prosecutors made decisions as to which defendants to charge. Absent litigation on the substance, of which there has been none, there would be zero reason for them to reverse course and dismiss defendants.

[JmSuttr]

With all due respect, essentially none of what you wrote reflects how criminal cases are litigated in the Commonwealth.

Yes, only some of the defendants are purusing the 'privacy' issue that is before the SJC. That does not mean or even imply that the others have been dismissed out, or that there is some "problem" with the prosecutors' cases against them, etc. Not all defendants needed to pursue this issue in order for the prosecutors to decide to put a halt to the entire process whilst this issue is being decided.

The notion that the prosecutors didn't have their "ducks in a row" with respect to the so-called missing defendants is absolutely baseless. There clearly has not been enough process yet to even get to that conclusion. The prosecutors made decisions as to which defendants to charge. Absent litigation on the substance, of which there has been none, there would be zero reason for them to reverse course and dismiss defendants.What's your explanation for the fact that 18 "John Doe" appeals have been filed, while 10 have not?

Here's the link where the info can be found:

https://www.ma-appellatecourts.org/

*Use docket number SJC-13551.

As I posted, I have yet to hear ANY theory that adequately explains why, out of the 28 announced cases, defense attorneys for 18 clients are pursuing the exact same path, while attorneys for at least 10 of them are not. There are 12 separate attorneys listed on the SJC docket, with some representing more than one client, while one client apparently has 3 attorneys representing him. So these several attorneys each came to the individual conclusion that their client's interests were best served by filing an appeal. What explanation is there as to why attorneys for at least 10 defendants (assuming 28 summons were issued) individually decided to take a materially different path? And, IMO, the most interesting aspect of this apparent bifurcation is that the numbers for each group are large enough to rule out randomness and the outlier effect. There's an obvious and coherent reason for why one group, the attorneys for the 18 defendants, chose their path. The reasoning for the other group, the 10 non-appeals, remains a mystery at this point.

Again, if you read my posts carefully you'll see that I'm not claiming to have the answer. Rather I'm posing the question and offering my take on some possibilities. So far, all explanations offered have been (IMO) lacking. Your point seems to be essentially a "move along folks, nothing to see here" position. If, with your knowledge of how criminal cases are litigated in the Commonwealth, you see nothing odd about these circumstances, then I respectfully beg to differ. And, of course, the great feature of this forum is that everyone gets to read and decide for themselves.

Speculations as to possible answers are, by definition, speculation. But that doesn't invalidate the underlying question.

[Comcast7777]

One possible explanation (even though I don't think it's a very likely one) is that there could be a budget issue at play.

I read the other day that the state has spent $116 million on housing and feeding migrants. This is an expense that would have been tough to quantify ahead of time. And the issue is not going away anytime soon.

The state has already announced the closing of MCI Concord by this summer (which had been open for something like 150 years) for financial reasons.

Obviously dismissing 10 misdemeanor cases isn't going to have a significant impact on the state's wallet. But I suppose it is possible that Healey was in someone's ear and told them to consolidate as much as possible.

Just thinking out loud.

[Bran001]

What's your explanation for the fact that 18 "John Doe" appeals have been filed, while 10 have not?

The 10 who did not pursue an appeal nevertheless are beneficiaries of the process. NO show-cause hearings are being conducted until the SJC decides if they will be open to the public or not. So this hurts neither the 18 named appellants nor the 10 others.

WHY did the 10 not participate? Of course none of us "know. " I agree with you; there's definitely a strategy being carried out; there's often a strategy shared by co-parties. I'm totally confident that the lawyers have all talked. One reason could be that the group of appellants simply had enough lawyers among them. Another reason could be a difference of opinion re strategy. Or it could be cost-saving by the 10, given that again they are benefiting from the process.

[JmSuttr]

The 10 who did not pursue an appeal nevertheless are beneficiaries of the process. NO show-cause hearings are being conducted until the SJC decides if they will be open to the public or not. So this hurts neither the 18 named appellants nor the 10 others.

WHY did the 10 not participate? Of course none of us "know. " I agree with you; there's definitely a strategy being carried out; there's often a strategy shared by co-parties. I'm totally confident that the lawyers have all talked. One reason could be that the group of appellants simply had enough lawyers among them. Another reason could be a difference of opinion re strategy. Or it could be cost-saving by the 10, given that again they are benefiting from the process.Firstly, I absolutely agree that the defense attorneys have talked to each other. Even in a large city, the criminal defense bar isn't that big a club. And trial attorneys (who usually know many of their peers) spend a lot of time at the courthouse where they run into each other and often have time to talk while they're waiting for cases to be called. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were periodic strategy meetings taking place, as it's in every defendant's interests to do so.

FWIW, my problem with the cost-saving and "beneficiaries" explanation is that the theory would be equally true if only a single appeal had been filed. So, if consultation between the various attorneys is truly happening (as we both agree it is), why not choose one attorney, and one case, to be the standard bearer for all the others? That would maximize cost savings while still providing the beneficiary effect. It's hard for me to imagine so many attorneys spending their client's money unnecessarily when they could ride the coattails of another case.

BUT, here's something that occurred to me that I wanted to throw out for consideration. Unless I've missed something, the only mention of the number 28, with respect to defendants, came in a DOJ release on 12-18-23.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/statement-acting-us-attorney-joshua-s-levy-criminal-complaints-against-alleged-sex

The specific statement:

"Today, a Homeland Security Investigations Task Force Officer with the Cambridge Police Department submitted applications for complaints against 28 sex buyers with the Cambridge District Court".

You, or other local members would know better than I, but does an "application for complaint" ALWAYS = acceptance + issuance of a summons? Do District Atty or court personnel have any say in whether an application is or isn't sufficient? If so, what if the actual situation is that a summons has only been issued for 18 cases, so far. If that's the case, it would provide a possible answer my question, while also fully satisfying your point that there's no reason for prosecutors to dismiss any charges at this stage of the process.

Also, even if the above is true, that doesn't necessarily mean the remaining 10 are out of the woods because those cases can still be pursued whenever prosecutors want. Could there have been up-front procedural issues? Could there be a prosecutive strategy in separating cases into two (or more) different segments? As to this last point, maybe all 28 were accepted for prosecution BUT prosecutors decided to proceed with 18 right away and defer the others until later (manpower issues)? Again, it's all speculative but it's an interesting observational exercise. Of course, for those poor mongers who are in LE's cross-hairs, it's intensely personal. And, as you said, we can't actually know anything for sure until matters unfold further. It'll be interesting to see if DOJ, or local LE, release any kind of statement before the SJC issues a ruling.

P.S. If any local media out there are monitoring this forum (you know you are! I suggest you ask DOJ, or local authorities, to confirm the exact number of cases for which a summons has been issued and, if that number is less than 28, follow up to ask why.

[JmSuttr]

The 10 who did not pursue an appeal nevertheless are beneficiaries of the process. NO show-cause hearings are being conducted until the SJC decides if they will be open to the public or not. So this hurts neither the 18 named appellants nor the 10 others.

WHY did the 10 not participate? Of course none of us "know. " I agree with you; there's definitely a strategy being carried out; there's often a strategy shared by co-parties. I'm totally confident that the lawyers have all talked. One reason could be that the group of appellants simply had enough lawyers among them. Another reason could be a difference of opinion re strategy. Or it could be cost-saving by the 10, given that again they are benefiting from the process.Firstly, I absolutely agree that the defense attorneys have talked to each other. Even in a large city, the criminal defense bar isn't that big a club. And trial attorneys (who usually know many of their peers) spend a lot of time at the courthouse where they run into each other and often have time to talk while they're waiting for cases to be called. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were periodic strategy meetings taking place, as it's in every defendant's interests to do so.

FWIW, my problem with the cost-saving and "beneficiaries" explanation is that the theory would be equally true if only a single appeal had been filed. So, if consultation between the various attorneys is truly happening (as we both agree it is), why not choose one attorney, and one case, to be the standard bearer for all the others? That would maximize cost savings while still providing the beneficiary effect. It's hard for me to imagine so many attorneys spending their client's money unnecessarily when they could ride the coattails of another case.

BUT, here's something that occurred to me that I wanted to throw out for consideration. Unless I've missed something, the only mention of the number 28, with respect to defendants, came in a DOJ release on 12-18-23.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/statement-acting-us-attorney-joshua-s-levy-criminal-complaints-against-alleged-sex

The specific statement:

"Today, a Homeland Security Investigations Task Force Officer with the Cambridge Police Department submitted applications for complaints against 28 sex buyers with the Cambridge District Court".

You, or other local members would know better than I, but does an "application for complaint" ALWAYS = acceptance + issuance of a summons? Do District Atty or court personnel have any say in whether an application is or isn't sufficient? If so, what if the actual situation is that a summons has only been issued for 18 cases, so far. If that's the case, it would provide a possible answer my question, while also fully satisfying your point that there's no reason for prosecutors to dismiss any charges at this stage of the process.

Also, even if the above is true, that doesn't necessarily mean the remaining 10 are out of the woods because those cases can still be pursued whenever prosecutors want. Could there have been up-front procedural issues? Could there be a prosecutive strategy in separating cases into two (or more) different segments? As to this last point, maybe all 28 were accepted for prosecution BUT prosecutors decided to proceed with 18 right away and defer the others until later (manpower issues)? Again, it's all speculative but it's an interesting observational exercise. Of course, for those poor mongers who are in LE's cross-hairs, it's intensely personal. And, as you said, we can't actually know anything for sure until matters unfold further. It'll be interesting to see if DOJ, or local LE, release any kind of statement before the SJC issues a ruling.

P.S. If any local media out there are monitoring this forum (you know you are) I suggest you ask DOJ, or local authorities, to confirm the exact number of cases for which a summons has been issued and, if that number is less than 28, follow up to ask why.

[KashkaiBoy]

Hey Jm, sorry if my posting looked like a refutation of yours -- I was just adding the chain of replies that you'd already addressed. A previous poster had speculated that cause for the reduction in the appeals was due to lack of evidence or the prosecutors getting cold feet about some of the cases because of their only having circumstantial evidence. My point is just that they seem to have pleanty of solid evidence. Circumstantial evidence can be solid and can be used to convict. But I can't speculate about the legal strategies of the defendants.


My point about possible issues with prosecutions is based primarily on what, at the moment, appears to be the reduction in the number of defendants from the originally announced 28 to either 18 or 14 (depending on the report you read).

Based on the number of parties to the SJC appeals, there appears to be an absence of 10-14 appeals that one would reasonably expect to see. A couple of theories have been floated, such as inability to afford a lawyer or waiting to see what the SJC decides. I've addressed in a previous post why I find those explanations unpersuasive. To be clear, I don't claim to know the reason. All I'm saying is that the discrepancy in numbers raises the question as to what's going on behind the scenes.

Bottom line: If all 28 cases were good to go at the time of announcement, 28 cases should be going forward, and one would expect 28 (or close to that number) appeals on the due process and privacy issues. I don't disagree that the delays have been procedural, but that doesn't explain the mystery of what appears to be 10-14 missing defendants. And it's that last point that makes me wonder whether LE and the prosecution truly had their ducks in a row for each and every case. Whatever the explanation, we'll know when things finally get moving again.

P.S. A member sent me a PM that mentioned the controversy regarding the filling of the vacant SJC seat. I replied that, if that serves as a distraction, or if the SJC decides to wait until they have a full complement of justices, we could see further delays. In my reply I also mentioned that, after peeling back the constitutional due process issue, the underlying cases are really just piss-ant misdemeanors. The reason that might be relevant is because the SJC may not see this as an issue that demands immediate attention. But I'm not in MA, so you locals would know better than I how the SJC might act.

[DarkClouds]

I'd like to explore the subject of exploitation. Do you guys really believe that these ladies at BTT were working there of their free will? Or was there any element of force or coercion? It mystifies me that despite a fairly large Asian population, we see very few independent Asians (it is more common in SF and some other areas). Do they join these agencies or AMPs for access to clients and protection? Or are they recruited in the way that gangs recruit, where you have no choice but to agree?

[Mattis1775]

I'd like to explore the subject of exploitation. Do you guys really believe that these ladies at BTT were working there of their free will? Or was there any element of force or coercion? It mystifies me that despite a fairly large Asian population, we see very few independent Asians (it is more common in SF and some other areas). Do they join these agencies or AMPs for access to clients and protection? Or are they recruited in the way that gangs recruit, where you have no choice but to agree?That's the only way LEO has a case, by exaggerating the situation, saying they are forced to live where they work, amongst other bullshit. That's their weapon when they try to close down an AMP, saying they saw bedding material where the ladies were sleeping. Hell, sometimes I sleep in my office when it's late. There isn't anything wrong with sleeping where you work. It's just LEO being stupid. BTT ladies know what the fuck they were doing and got filthy rich from it.

[Bran001]

That's the only way LEO has a case, by exaggerating the situation, saying they are forced to live where they work, amongst other bullshit. That's their weapon when they try to close down an AMP, saying they saw bedding material where the ladies were sleeping. Hell, sometimes I sleep in my office when it's late. There isn't anything wrong with sleeping where you work. It's just LEO being stupid. BTT ladies know what the fuck they were doing and got filthy rich from it.You are not familiar with the law in this area.

18 USA C. 2421:

Whoever knowingly transports any individual in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

The law makes no distinction whether the individual consented or not.

[TheGodsDecree]

I'd like to explore the subject of exploitation. Do you guys really believe that these ladies at BTT were working there of their free will? Or was there any element of force or coercion? It mystifies me that despite a fairly large Asian population, we see very few independent Asians (it is more common in SF and some other areas). Do they join these agencies or AMPs for access to clients and protection? Or are they recruited in the way that gangs recruit, where you have no choice but to agree?No, no exploitation. They did it because they needed money, and some friends told them it was safe with BTT. Or they came with a specific type of visa with the intent of being sex workers. They also did it seasonally, e. G. , here with a student visa, and they wanted to make some money during the summer break.

I am 100% sure that exploitation is a real issue, but it was not the case with BTT. That's why, in the latest affidavits, they did not mention anything in those terms. However, it is disgusting when you see those "activists" victimizing the sex workers in the BTT case. Bullshit. If LE would follow up on the ladies, many of them would get deported because they are working in other states. LOL.

[KashkaiBoy]

I think the thing here is how we define exploitation. I've come to be less and less comfortable with contributing money to the kinds of operations BTT are a part of, which undoubtedly are international organized crime syndicates. Now, I'll grant that many people exaggerate or misunderstand the circumstances that bring the providers into the work they do. From my own experiences, which includes many fairly heartfelt conversations with providers at predecessor agencies (I was a very frequent client of BAD), I've never had a sense that the most horrific stereotypes were true in their cases: kidnapping, beatings, drugging etc. Those things do happen in parts of the underworld, but I've never seen evidence that they characterize the part of the Korean sex industry that services operations like BTT, BAD, etc. I think most are in the business because they are compelled for complicated reasons and they face few if any alternatives to getting themselves or their families out of dire circumstances. I've heard from many Korean women about a similar situation, in which they or their immediate family had to borrow money for urgent needs and then ended up deciding / being encouraged to repay it through sex work. I presume this is a partnership between loan sharks and pimps which ends up with the payment for loans paid back through a few years of being cycling through operations like BTT. WHile I'm sure there are some that do so completely from free will and for financial or other benefit, I think the majority do so out of a certain desperation even if the motivation is more economic. I'm not judging from a high horse, I have certainly partaken in the pleasures of being a client that enjoys the services these businesses offer. But I can still recognize that the service I'm enjoying comes at the price of pain for others, and this does encourage me to put more energy into building relations with indies rather than using these agencies. I know my post will result in some unhinged replies but I think most of us know what the deal is.


I'd like to explore the subject of exploitation. Do you guys really believe that these ladies at BTT were working there of their free will? Or was there any element of force or coercion? It mystifies me that despite a fairly large Asian population, we see very few independent Asians (it is more common in SF and some other areas). Do they join these agencies or AMPs for access to clients and protection? Or are they recruited in the way that gangs recruit, where you have no choice but to agree?

[Nrlmus]

So if prostitution is illegal because "porn stars are paid to act and prostitutes are paid for sex" then would sex with a camera-friendly prostitute amount to porn? Just brainstorming you know. LOL.

"The distinction is a very fine one and comes down to a string of cases finding that porn performances actually constitute acting subject to the artistic expression protections of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Thus, the distinction is that, at least in theory, porn stars are paid to act and prostitutes are paid for sex. ".

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/why-is-pornography-legal-and-prostitution-is-not-31164

[Bran001]

I think the thing here is how we define exploitation. As with most things, there are fine lines of distinction the closer one wants to look.

A number of years ago I met a woman via Seeking Arrangements; she was an Israeli working here for one of those pop-ups in a mall that sells cosmetics containing "salt from the Dead Sea. ".

These businesses are pretty notorious. They recruit young people in Israel, fly them here, hook them up with lodging (often 3 or more per bedroom in a 2 or 3 br apartment), and have them work at the store in the mall. Out of whatever on-paper hourly wage they earn, they have to pay back the transportation and lodging. They work around 60-70 hrs / week. And the "managers" keep their passports. They clearly are not free to leave at any time and are maybe closer to "indentured servants" than "slaves" if you will.

[Param Ahmad]

Can someone define this term? BTT is not listed in the abbreviations, general or regional.

[Param Ahmad]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/high-end-brothel-network-arrests/index.html

[Max Walker86]

As with most things, there are fine lines of distinction the closer one wants to look.

A number of years ago I met a woman via Seeking Arrangements; she was an Israeli working here for one of those pop-ups in a mall that sells cosmetics containing "salt from the Dead Sea. ".

These businesses are pretty notorious. They recruit young people in Israel, fly them here, hook them up with lodging (often 3 or more per bedroom in a 2 or 3 br apartment), and have them work at the store in the mall. Out of whatever on-paper hourly wage they earn, they have to pay back the transportation and lodging. They work around 60-70 hrs / week. And the "managers" keep their passports. They clearly are not free to leave at any time and are maybe closer to "indentured servants" than "slaves" if you will.No kidding I remember seeing that at the mall like 10 15 yrs ago.

[RI CheeseHead]

Can someone define this term? BTT is not listed in the abbreviations, general or regional.Boston's Top Ten.

[RI CheeseHead]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/high-end-brothel-network-arrests/index.htmlThank you, CNN.

What do you think people are talking about?

[SalamanderFour]

No kidding I remember seeing that at the mall like 10 15 yrs ago.You are mistaken about the circumstances. I know one young woman who did that for a summer. She had none of those onerous restrictions, and used her free time to tour Boston before returning to Israel in the Fall.

[Bastardale]

I have an anonymous number I use to text providers (I use TextFree Web - https://messages.textfree.us). I use this to do research before I contact a provider using my burner phone. I do this because I tend to ask a lot of questions, and sometimes asking questions pisses off providers and they'll block you. Anyway, once I ask my questions and get the info I need, I'll use my burner phone to actually setup appointments. As far as I know, there is no connection between my free text number and my burner number. And I obviously never use my real number for this hobby.

Today, shortly after texting a provider I found on craigslist, I got a phone call from a new number. I didn't answer it because TextFree web doesn't actually allow phone calls. I checked google, and the number comes up from one of the Boston PD departments (I forget which one). This has actually happened to me twice in the past few weeks. I assume that the provider I texted is a scam and the Boston PD number was spoofed and that the "provider" intended to blackmail me for texting prostitutes. Which is ridiculous because the first contact text I send is non-committal and definitely not explicit enough to be construed as an offer to solicit prostitution.

Anyway, I was wondering if this is a common occurrence or if this has happened to anyone else recently.

Thank you!

BA.

[MaybeSometime]

I have an anonymous number I use to text providers (I use TextFree Web - https://messages.textfree.us). I use this to do research before I contact a provider using my burner phone. I do this because I tend to ask a lot of questions, and sometimes asking questions pisses off providers and they'll block you. Anyway, once I ask my questions and get the info I need, I'll use my burner phone to actually setup appointments. As far as I know, there is no connection between my free text number and my burner number. And I obviously never use my real number for this hobby.

Today, shortly after texting a provider I found on craigslist, I got a phone call from a new number. I didn't answer it because TextFree web doesn't actually allow phone calls. I checked google, and the number comes up from one of the Boston PD departments (I forget which one). This has actually happened to me twice in the past few weeks. I assume that the provider I texted is a scam and the Boston PD number was spoofed and that the "provider" intended to blackmail me for texting prostitutes. Which is ridiculous because the first contact text I send is non-committal and definitely not explicit enough to be construed as an offer to solicit prostitution.

Anyway, I was wondering if this is a common occurrence or if this has happened to anyone else recently.

Thank you!

BA.I do the same thing you do and for the same reasons. I get the same calls and others here have mentioned the same thing. They are spoofed calls, just ignore them. I think they are from contacting a Latina ad.

[ClaraForever]

I think the thing here is how we define exploitation. I've come to be less and less comfortable with contributing money to the kinds of operations BTT are a part of, which undoubtedly are international organized crime syndicates. Now, I'll grant that many people exaggerate or misunderstand the circumstances that bring the providers into the work they do. From my own experiences, which includes many fairly heartfelt conversations with providers at predecessor agencies (I was a very frequent client of BAD), I've never had a sense that the most horrific stereotypes were true in their cases: kidnapping, beatings, drugging etc. Those things do happen in parts of the underworld, but I've never seen evidence that they characterize the part of the Korean sex industry that services operations like BTT, BAD, etc. I think most are in the business because they are compelled for complicated reasons and they face few if any alternatives to getting themselves or their families out of dire circumstances. I've heard from many Korean women about a similar situation, in which they or their immediate family had to borrow money for urgent needs and then ended up deciding / being encouraged to repay it through sex work. I presume this is a partnership between loan sharks and pimps which ends up with the payment for loans paid back through a few years of being cycling through operations like BTT. WHile I'm sure there are some that do so completely from free will and for financial or other benefit, I think the majority do so out of a certain desperation even if the motivation is more economic. I'm not judging from a high horse, I have certainly partaken in the pleasures of being a client that enjoys the services these businesses offer. But I can still recognize that the service I'm enjoying comes at the price of pain for others, and this does encourage me to put more energy into building relations with indies rather than using these agencies. I know my post will result in some unhinged replies but I think most of us know what the deal is.If they are Korean who were born in South Korea then it can be exaggerated. They may choose by their own will for luxury bags or gambling or whatever reason.

But if they are Korean who were born in China then get Korean nationality later, they may be more Chinese than Korean. Just like Russian Israeli who got Israel nationality only cause they have Jewish ancestors. Their brain is just Chinese, and real exploitation can be likely.

Hey east coast Korean heritage Chinese lies that they are Korean a lot cause s Korea is more welcomed in America society, most of you here can not distinguish them by accent while Koreans can easily. They s Korean even distinguish North Korean by accent.

If they are Japanese, maybe or maybe not. Japan sometimes have very weird social norm unlike most developed countries.

If they are Thai, Philippians, or others from se Asia, lower possibility of exploitation in America cause it is not easy for them with se countries passports to enter America so triffickers would not take too much risk when benefit from it is not that high. Hey let's be honest. Whatever yellow fever guys say, Asian women is not majority taste yet unlike east European girls or young young Latinas that eagerly try to come.

Anyway if you guys try to find, one media even reveal I'd (California drivers license of three arrested males).

[HappyDave]

I have an anonymous number I use to text providers (I use TextFree Web - https://messages.textfree.us). I use this to do research before I contact a provider using my burner phone. I do this because I tend to ask a lot of questions, and sometimes asking questions pisses off providers and they'll block you. Anyway, once I ask my questions and get the info I need, I'll use my burner phone to actually setup appointments. As far as I know, there is no connection between my free text number and my burner number. And I obviously never use my real number for this hobby.

Today, shortly after texting a provider I found on craigslist, I got a phone call from a new number. I didn't answer it because TextFree web doesn't actually allow phone calls. I checked google, and the number comes up from one of the Boston PD departments (I forget which one). This has actually happened to me twice in the past few weeks. I assume that the provider I texted is a scam and the Boston PD number was spoofed and that the "provider" intended to blackmail me for texting prostitutes. Which is ridiculous because the first contact text I send is non-committal and definitely not explicit enough to be construed as an offer to solicit prostitution.

Anyway, I was wondering if this is a common occurrence or if this has happened to anyone else recently.

Thank you!

BA.Many years ago I had made calls for appointments but it was so rare and basically just asking if it was OK to drop in. One day I saw a call I missed on my cell. It was local PD business line. I called it asked them if they had called me for something. I had been involved in some items at the time completely outside of the hobby so it was possible they were calling me and not for trouble. The person that answered said nope, he even asked around. We both put it off to a scammed number.

[Sasuke9015]

I do the same thing you do and for the same reasons. I get the same calls and others here have mentioned the same thing. They are spoofed calls, just ignore them. I think they are from contacting a Latina ad.I believe this has to do with the latina ads in Medford. I used to get them all the time, when I used to go see ladies in Medford. I stopped contacting them a year ago and have not had any issues.

[Comcast7777]

Can we assume now that the SJC didn't reject the appeal and that the full court will decide the outcome?

It's been two weeks, I figured we would've heard some news by now especially if the appeal was denied.

[JohnDick75]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/high-end-brothel-network-arrests/index.htmlShould we be worried I go to massage parlors every now and then or was there something different about this place leading those men to be caught and potentially exposed.

[Nrlmus]

Should we be worried I go to massage parlors every now and then or was there something different about this place leading those men to be caught and potentially exposed.Of course you should be worried! This is election year and it was "used by elected officials & military officers". I'd say it was likely a consequence of somebody's opposition research. If you go to an AMP that is widely used by the likes of Ed Markey or Stevie Lynch I'd say you're walking the edge. I also think that you should stay away from the AMPs near Hanscom Air Force Base or that little Coast Guard station in the North End. The rest should be fine.

One of those girls is actually scheduled to be returning to Beantown in mid-March and she's been telling me secrets like you wouldn't believe. I've got all the nuclear codes, names of few spies that we have in Kor, I mean Russia, where all the bodies are buried, which ones have already been excavated: the works!

[DownWind]

Of course you should be worried! This is election year and it was "used by elected officials & military officers". I'd say it was likely a consequence of somebody's opposition research. If you go to an AMP that is widely used by the likes of Ed Markey or Stevie Lynch I'd say you're walking the edge. I also think that you should stay away from the AMPs near Hanscom Air Force Base or that little Coast Guard station in the North End. The rest should be fine.

One of those girls is actually scheduled to be returning to Beantown in mid-March and she's been telling me secrets like you wouldn't believe. I've got all the nuclear codes, names of few spies that we have in Kor, I mean Russia, where all the bodies are buried, which ones have already been excavated: the works!HAHA, we never discussed my work, the media would be dissapointed with the actual conversations, probably quite dull compared to what the innuendo in thier crappy journalistc trash. The whole story is a smoke and mirror show to get clicks and puffery.

[JmSuttr]

Can we assume now that the SJC didn't reject the appeal and that the full court will decide the outcome?

It's been two weeks, I figured we would've heard some news by now especially if the appeal was denied.To us mongers, two weeks seems like a long time. But, for the court system (esp SJC), two weeks is barely a blip. As I noted in a previous post, the SJC might want to wait until the current vacancy is filled. It's my understanding that the process is underway, but you MA locals would have a better idea of how all the nominee controversies are playing out, and how that might affect the timeline.

Courts dislike controversy so it wouldn't be a surprise for them to delay certain decisions until things have settled down. Despite the constitutional questions at issue, the underlying misdemeanor cases are not especially time-sensitive. If the info in the below link is correct, their session doesn't end until May. That gives them 2-3 months to deal with pending cases. I don't know if they behave like SCOTUS but, if they do, then a whole shitload of decisions might be issued on the very last day.

https://www.mass.gov/about-the-supreme-judicial-court

Also, while they certainly could reject the appeals, as in refusing to hear them and thereby allowing the single Justice's earlier ruling to stand, that would almost certainly trigger defense attorneys marching right over to the federal courts. That's because the due process questions are genuine constitutional issues that can't be side-stepped. Knowing that, it's hard to imagine a scenario where the full court doesn't review the matter. I doubt they'll want to punt on this one.

I'll be interested to see, with so many parties involved, whether they will schedule oral arguments. It appears those are held the first week of each month the SJC is in session.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/supreme-judicial-court-oral-arguments

Here's a link to the court calendar:

https://www.ma-appellatecourts.org/calendar

(Nothing yet for docket #13551).

And here are links for viewing the oral argument sessions:

Live - https://boston.suffolk.edu/sjc/.

Archived - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOftbmknBche29CG41v19cA.

[Comcast7777]

Your insight has been invaluable. It's very much appreciated.

Is it fair to assume that the longer this is stretched out, the less likely it is that a second round of referrals will happen?


To us mongers, two weeks seems like a long time. But, for the court system (esp SJC), two weeks is barely a blip. As I noted in a previous post, the SJC might want to wait until the current vacancy is filled. It's my understanding that the process is underway, but you MA locals would have a better idea of how all the nominee controversies are playing out, and how that might affect the timeline.

Courts dislike controversy so it wouldn't be a surprise for them to delay certain decisions until things have settled down. Despite the constitutional questions at issue, the underlying misdemeanor cases are not especially time-sensitive. If the info in the below link is correct, their session doesn't end until May. That gives them 2-3 months to deal with pending cases. I don't know if they behave like SCOTUS but, if they do, then a whole shitload of decisions might be issued on the very last day.

https://www.mass.gov/about-the-supreme-judicial-court

Also, while they certainly could reject the appeals, as in refusing to hear them and thereby allowing the single Justice's earlier ruling to stand, that would almost certainly trigger defense attorneys marching right over to the federal courts. That's because the due process questions are genuine constitutional issues that can't be side-stepped. Knowing that, it's hard to imagine a scenario where the full court doesn't review the matter. I doubt they'll want to punt on this one..

[JmSuttr]

Your insight has been invaluable. It's very much appreciated.

Is it fair to assume that the longer this is stretched out, the less likely it is that a second round of referrals will happen?I don't think time is a major constraint for prosecutors. They can move forward quickly or they can bring charges at any point up to the expiration of the statutory limit. Under normal circumstances, cases like these generally fall to junior prosecutors and the court would be churning through them at a pretty rapid pace. Plea bargains would also be likely, and expected. But these aren't normal circumstances, right?

The SJC is obviously the next inflection point. If they rule against the defendants, either by allowing the previous ruling to stand or by the full court deciding in favor of public hearings, then I expect more delays. Defense attorneys (Some? Most? All?) will surely petition federal courts to look at the constitutional issues. And federal avenues of appeal = even more delays.

A ruling for private hearings, however, means prosecutors and defense attorneys will get to work behind a veil of privacy. Some defendants might cut a deal that (hopefully) keeps them off the media radar screen. Others, presumably high-profile individuals, will likely be targeted by prosecutors in order to to send a message. It's doubtful that latter group will be offered any deals because the media will be clamoring for show trials and punishment. Prosecutors, in light of statements they've made, will be under pressure to save face and give the media the circus they've been asking for. I wish I could see some sequence of events that doesn't lead down that path, but unfortunately I can't.

With respect to a second round of referrals, I think prosecutors will wait to see how things go with Round #1. This is their "A List" with, one would assume, the highest profile defendants and strongest evidence. If this turns into a ginormous clusterfuck there may not be another round, IMO. That being said, I'm pretty sure prosecutors and LE are working hard to try to have a "B List" that could be rolled out. Whether they'll be successful is anyone's guess.

Bottom-line: Private hearings should move forward quickly, assuming the SJC rules that way. Otherwise, more delays are very likely. And, while time may not be a major factor for prosecutors, we know that shit can unexpectedly happen. More delays = more chances for complications to arise. Rather than focus on time, I'll be looking to see whether prosecutors are getting pummeled by adverse court rulings, or other negative (shit happens) kinds of things. The more painful defense attorneys can make Round #1, the better the chance prosecutors won't want to bother with a Round #2.

[TheGodsDecree]

https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/02/26/accused-multi-state-brothel-sex-buyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-hide-their-identities/

No more victimization. I wish people could read more, because in their heads, they still have the previous BS all media published.



And then came the aptly named John Does themselves.

The first 13 of a total 17 to file opposition to release jointly argued that not only should the applications remain private but that the magistrate erred in allowing the hearings to be public at all.

This error should not be compounded by opening the door to public dissemination of police reports and other documents, their motion to intervene states.

They further argue that the John Does are not powerful and elite as the petitioners describe They are private citizens who face adverse and embarrassing collateral consequences if their name and image are published before they have the opportunity to face this case at a clerks hearing or in a court of law.It's funny that they knew there were powerful people in BTT but yet 77% of the 17 that is actively opposing to have their names released are mortal people like many of us. Sigh.

[JmSuttr]

https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/02/26/accused-multi-state-brothel-sex-buyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-hide-their-identities/

No more victimization. I wish people could read more, because in their heads, they still have the previous BS all media published.

It's funny that they knew there were powerful people in BTT but yet 77% of the 17 that is actively opposing to have their names released are mortal people like many of us. Sigh.From the article, here's the meat of their argument:

"Unlike her ruling about the show-cause hearings, the Clerk-Magistrate did not consider whether a legitimate interest of the public outweighed the right of privacy of the accused in the applications,' the Jan. 12 emergency petition for the documents argued.

Since the 'incident has already attracted public attention prior to a show cause hearing, the interest in shielding the participants from publicity is necessarily diminished, while the public's legitimate interest in access is correspondingly stronger,' the petitioners further argued.

The petitioners furthered their argument by citing 2019 state caselaw that found 'the interests of transparency, accountability, and public confidence are at their apex if the conduct at issue occurred in the performance of the official's professional duties or materially bears on the official's ability to perform those duties honestly or capably."

Three quick points:

1. Since the clerk-magistrate's initial decision was to allow public hearings, while keeping the applications private, the media's assertion that the issue wasn't considered is completely bogus. The magistrate may not have elaborated on all the factors considered, but that isn't required.

2. In addition to (obviously) the defendants, even MA LE (Asst. AG) opposes the media's petition:

The AG's response contends that "granting access to the complaint applications before the show-cause hearings take place would essentially allow unfettered review, use, and potentially publication of the complainant's allegations before the accused has had the opportunity to respond and before the Clerk-Magistrate has made a probable-cause determination."

3. With the due process issue in focus, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in Hell that the SJC issues a piecemeal (applications separate from hearings) ruling. Their decision will almost certainly deal with the privacy issues, as a whole.

It's my guess that the media has nothing better to do than to try to fan the flames in a bid to show they're still engaged and relevant. I'd be very surprised if this turns out to be anything more than a giant nothingburger.

[Bran001]

With respect to a second round of referrals, I think prosecutors will wait to see how things go with Round #1. This is their "A List" with, one would assume, the highest profile defendants and strongest evidence. If this turns into a ginormous clusterfuck there may not be another round, IMO. That being said, I'm pretty sure prosecutors and LE are working hard to try to have a "B List" that could be rolled out. Whether they'll be successful is anyone's guess.

Bottom-line: Private hearings should move forward quickly, assuming the SJC rules that way. Otherwise, more delays are very likely. And, while time may not be a major factor for prosecutors, we know that shit can unexpectedly happen. More delays = more chances for complications to arise. Rather than focus on time, I'll be looking to see whether prosecutors are getting pummeled by adverse court rulings, or other negative (shit happens) kinds of things. The more painful defense attorneys can make Round #1, the better the chance prosecutors won't want to bother with a Round #2.Conversely, if the prosecutors can get certain admissions or pleas out of the agency defendants with this first round of prosecutions, subsequent prosecutions of (add'l) customers will be MUCH easier for the prosecution. The prosecution today has more than enough customers to get admissions and pleas out of the agency defendants.

[JmSuttr]

Conversely, if the prosecutors can get certain admissions or pleas out of the agency defendants with this first round of prosecutions, subsequent prosecutions of (add'l) customers will be MUCH easier for the prosecution. The prosecution today has more than enough customers to get admissions and pleas out of the agency defendants.If the SJC rules in favor of private hearings, for example, that's a generalized action that will apply to all the cases. However, if they rule in favor of public hearings, that opens the door for some defendants to argue (as they already have) that the public's right to know is not the same for every accused client. In the scenario where a defendant happens to be a public official, an argument can be made that the public is entitled to know what their employee has (allegedly) been up to. But, in a scenario where the defendant is a regular person, such as a doctor or businessman, their right to privacy and due process is arguably stronger. One possible way the SJC could rule is to remand the matter back to the original court with instructions to conduct an individualized private vs public interest determination. If that happens, private hearings would probably proceed quickly while those defendants labeled "public interest" would probably file a new round of appeals.

Similarly, there are some generalizations that might be valid across all the various cases, but others that are not. Prosecutors will doubtlessly pursue similar strategies but there's no guarantee they will be equally effective, or applicable, in every case. It's my understanding that MA law guarantees the right to a jury trial, even in misdemeanor cases. That means each case will have unique defendant, a unique jury, and a set of individualized circumstances that sets it apart from every other case.

The prosecution will certainly learn from any cases in which they succeed (and from those in which they fail) but so will defense attorneys. And, if prosecutors develop a certain template they try to apply in a generalized way, good defense attorneys will find and exploit any flaws. It's an ongoing series of battles and both sides will learn and adapt. Surprises can always happen, and each jury will be asked to decide based on a specific and unique set of evidence. The next chapters for each defendant have yet to be written, IMO, and much depends on developments that are yet to unfold.

[Comcast7777]

Some defendants might cut a deal that (hopefully) keeps them off the media radar screen.If this turns out to be an option it would be a big relief to a lot of people. I think most are much more fearful of their reputation being ruined than any punishment the court would be willing to dish out to them.

[Mxbs345]

Sounds like it is getting a full hearing and latest update is scheduling oral hearings that allow 40 days to file briefs.

The irony is that, for all the bleating in the media about John Does trying to keep their names private, if the media hadn't so goddamn bloodthirsty about making this different because it involved sex and potential celebrity and just let this run through normal channels, they would have had the names and documents of anyone with a real case against them a month ago.

[JmSuttr]

Sounds like it is getting a full hearing and latest update is scheduling oral hearings that allow 40 days to file briefs.

The irony is that, for all the bleating in the media about John Does trying to keep their names private, if the media hadn't so goddamn bloodthirsty about making this different because it involved sex and potential celebrity and just let this run through normal channels, they would have had the names and documents of anyone with a real case against them a month ago.I didn't see anything when I checked the websites of a couple of news outlets that have been covering the cases. And when I did a web search for news specifically about the SJC, the results from the last week mostly focus on the confirmation of the nominee to fill the vacancy on the court. Also, the SJC court calendar didn't show anything.

A link to your source would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

[Mxbs345]

I didn't see anything when I checked the websites of a couple of news outlets that have been covering the cases. And when I did a web search for news specifically about the SJC, the results from the last week mostly focus on the confirmation of the nominee to fill the vacancy on the court. Also, the SJC court calendar didn't show anything.

A link to your source would be greatly appreciated, thanks.Just from this although I might be a little ahead of myself. I thought this was a joint motion from all appellants not just the John Does. No briefs filed yet so, even if this motion is denied, seems like it will be a bit longer regardless.

https://www.ma-appellatecourts.org/docket/SJC-13551

02/27/2024 #6 Joint Motion to schedule oral argument on a date that allows appellants' forty days to file their brief filed for John Doe 1, John Doe 2, John Doe 3, John Doe 4, John Doe 5, John Doe 6, John Doe 7, John Doe 8, John Doe 9, John Doe 10, John Doe 11, John Doe 12, John Doe 13, John Doe 14, John Doe 15, John Doe 16, John Doe 17 and John Doe 18 by Attorney Meredith Fierro.

[JmSuttr]

Just from this although I might be a little ahead of myself. I thought this was a joint motion from all appellants not just the John Does. No briefs filed yet so, even if this motion is denied, seems like it will be a bit longer regardless.

https://www.ma-appellatecourts.org/docket/SJC-13551

02/27/2024 #6 Joint Motion to schedule oral argument on a date that allows appellants' forty days to file their brief filed for John Doe 1, John Doe 2, John Doe 3, John Doe 4, John Doe 5, John Doe 6, John Doe 7, John Doe 8, John Doe 9, John Doe 10, John Doe 11, John Doe 12, John Doe 13, John Doe 14, John Doe 15, John Doe 16, John Doe 17 and John Doe 18 by Attorney Meredith Fierro.And I don't think you're getting ahead of yourself, or at least not by much. The fact that multiple defendants filed a joint motion, asking for 40 days to file briefs, indicates that multiple attorneys (presumably with ample appellate experience) agreed that there is a reasonable expectation for that 40 day timeline to be accepted by the SJC.

Of course, it's possible the SJC could deny the request and order an earlier date, but I'm guessing the appellate lawyers know their stuff well enough to ask for a timeframe they believe has a high probability of being accepted. We should know relatively soon whether or not they judged correctly.

Also, it remains to be seen how many other parties file briefs. The media outlets who have interest in the matter will certainly file theirs, as well as possible amicus briefs from other parties. The SJC will need time to read, digest, and discuss all the relevant material before scheduling oral arguments. Depending on how much is on their plate, from this case and all the other cases before them, we could easily be looking at 2+ months, maybe more.

Meanwhile, the media vultures will be restlessly and relentlessly circling overhead.

[Hyperion11]

Sounds like it is getting a full hearing and latest update is scheduling oral hearings that allow 40 days to file briefs.

The irony is that, for all the bleating in the media about John Does trying to keep their names private, if the media hadn't so goddamn bloodthirsty about making this different because it involved sex and potential celebrity and just let this run through normal channels, they would have had the names and documents of anyone with a real case against them a month ago.And it's going to have to wait even more now. Looks like the oral arguments will be schedules for September or later.

Freaking crazy that without the press insisting on opening up the original proceedings this would have been out in the open now (assuming the clerk magistrate allowed the cases to move forward).

One another note, what a waste of the justice system. All this for what, a couple of misdemeanors?

[JmSuttr]

And it's going to have to wait even more now. Looks like the oral arguments will be schedules for September or later.

Freaking crazy that without the press insisting on opening up the original proceedings this would have been out in the open now (assuming the clerk magistrate allowed the cases to move forward).

One another note, what a waste of the justice system. All this for what, a couple of misdemeanors?https://www.ma-appellatecourts.org/docket/SJC-13551

"03/06/2024 #7 Order:

This matter came before the court on the joint motion to schedule oral argument in order to accommodate briefing under the rules of appellate procedure filed by appellants John Does 1-18 (John Does). The joint motion is ALLOWED for the reasons set forth therein. The consolidated brief, to the extent possible, for the John Does and the brief for the appellants Trustees of Boston University, Boston Globe Media Partners, LLC, and intervener WBTS Television, LLC shall be filed on or before April 17,2024. The brief for the appellee Clerk-Magistrate of the Cambridge District Court shall be filed on or before May 17,2024. Oral argument may be scheduled for the September sitting of the court.

As of 03/06/2024 3:20 pm".

So, with the SJC session ending in May, they decided to require all briefs be filed during the current session, but punted the oral arguments until the next session, which begins in September. That doesn't inconvenience the prosecution or LE very much as they can simply push the "pause" button and work on other things. For defendants, unfortunately, it means 6+ months of continuing uncertainty and inability to move on with their lives.

You're 100% correct that this is all due to the media's demand for public hearings. Unless I missed something, I don't recall the prosecution expressing a preference, one way or the other. And nobody likes having to work under a microscope, which makes me think that even prosecutors would have preferred private hearings, all of which would likely have been over by now.

You're also correct that the underlying cases are misdemeanors. But the due process issues appealed to the SJC are fundamental constitutional questions that fall appropriately under their jurisdiction. Had they declined to hear the appeal, it's likely (IMO) defendants would have appealed to the federal courts. And there's still a possibility that could happen, depending on how the SJC eventually rules.

Random thoughts:

- The various media outlets are going to be majorly pissed. I fully expect one or more rounds of outraged stories about the public's "right to know," and similar BS. They may shift gears to focus on the federal case, but they'll still be pissed. And there could also be another round of media petitions to the court.

- The federal case should proceed at normal speed, unless unusual motions are filed. It's rather straightforward and I'll be surprised if any of the three defendants will risk a trial. They'd be much smarter to negotiate a plea deal, but that will most likely happen only after all the discoverable materials have been examined by the defense. Hard to predict the timing with any certainty, but it's entirely possible for the federal case to be wrapped up (except for sentencing) before the SJC reconvenes in September. One caveat to this: If one of the three defendants is clearly the leader, then fed prosecutors might cut deals with the other two while proceeding to put the "ringleader" on trial. That would serve their purpose of "sending a message" while also satisfying media demands.

- From all recent and relevant court filing info, we're still talking about 18 "John Doe" defendants. Which brings us back to the question I've asked several times about WTF happened to the other 10 (of the DOJ-announced 28)? That's a head-scratcher for me as I still haven't seen or heard a satisfactory explanation. I offered a possible theory, in a previous post, but it remains pure speculation. Curiouser and curiouser!

[Nrlmus]

Just want to share Boston. Some K place got bust the a day ago. I think 2 at least. But seem not HSI this time but local policies I guess. Peace Boston.I you scan through this guy's post you'd see that he's referring to something that happened in Dallas. Couldn't find any reference to it on the internet.

[Chulgoon]

I you scan through this guy's post you'd see that he's referring to something that happened in Dallas. Couldn't find any reference to it on the internet.https://egov.ci.irving.tx.us/in-custody/jail_incustody.pdf

Also talking in Atlanta board the bust. Dallas do not use this board much for hobby another one much more popular there.

[Mattis1775]

This app is practically useless now. If you're on a hunt one morning and strolling through ads, the app will only allow you to message 2-3 new numbers. If you don't get responses, it basically stops you from sending new messages up to a period of time. This is prevent SPAM from what it says. I still don't use my real number and haven't used it for years now. What are most of you Mongers using now a days? I could get a pre-paid phone. But it's one more device that I don't want to carry around.

[SalamanderFour]

This app is practically useless now. If you're on a hunt one morning and strolling through ads, the app will only allow you to message 2-3 new numbers. If you don't get responses, it basically stops you from sending new messages up to a period of time. This is prevent SPAM from what it says. I still don't use my real number and haven't used it for years now. What are most of you Mongers using now a days? I could get a pre-paid phone. But it's one more device that I don't want to carry around.None of Google free services (including Gmail, Voice) are anonymous. If you use Google services, sooner or later Google will identify you even if you don't use your real name. Some have reported that a search of the Google voice number shows a link to their true name, etc.

I admit, google voice is convenient, but not as secure as a true burner phone.

[JmSuttr]

This app is practically useless now. If you're on a hunt one morning and strolling through ads, the app will only allow you to message 2-3 new numbers. If you don't get responses, it basically stops you from sending new messages up to a period of time. This is prevent SPAM from what it says. I still don't use my real number and haven't used it for years now. What are most of you Mongers using now a days? I could get a pre-paid phone. But it's one more device that I don't want to carry around.These are apps I've used in the past, but not recently:

Flyp and 2nd Line, both free (last time I checked). Maybe someone in the forum might have info that's more up to date. Good luck!

[LustyB]

These are apps I've used in the past, but not recently:

Flyp and 2nd Line, both free (last time I checked). Maybe someone in the forum might have info that's more up to date. Good luck!I use text free and text now. I find most girls are fine with setting up dates by text. I used to use a burner phone but it too much trouble. I keep the text apps buried deep in sub folders and turn off notifications. If a girl won't take texts from an app, fuck her. We have to stay safe too.

[Amppro95]

Looking for help, suggestions, I asked this question a cpl of years ago and never found anything that worked, hoping technology has improved or someone else has an idea. I've been mongering for 30 years, married 28, my wife has caught me twice and has stayed with me contingent on me going to counseling, us together going, and her having open access to my phone as well as being tracked through my phone by her, many will ask " why would you put up with that BS?" , well, many, many reasons including children but most importantly money, insurance, its very complicated. Anyway,

On my days off I'd like to visit an AMP, I can't leave my phone at home because she randomly texts throughout the morning and day, " how are you?" what are you doing? If I don't respond within a reasonable amount of time, she'll know I just left my phone at home. If I take my phone with me, " why were you at _ in Salem ma for 1 hour?" ect, ect. If I turn off my location, I get " why is your location off?

My question, is there any kind of APP that I can leave my phone at home but have the # on a second phone for responding to texts but would show my location as home? Or any other Idea's?

My thing is really AMPs as I love the Asians, I've had prostitutes over to the house on days off that way my location is good but then I'm opening myself up to a whole other level of danger.

Any help is greatly appreciated, PM is fine as well. Thank you!

AMP.

[DonnnyBravo]

Looking for help, suggestions, I asked this question a cpl of years ago and never found anything that worked, hoping technology has improved or someone else has an idea. I've been mongering for 30 years, married 28, my wife has caught me twice and has stayed with me contingent on me going to counseling, us together going, and her having open access to my phone as well as being tracked through my phone by her, many will ask " why would you put up with that BS?" , well, many, many reasons including children but most importantly money, insurance, its very complicated. Anyway,

On my days off I'd like to visit an AMP, I can't leave my phone at home because she randomly texts throughout the morning and day, " how are you?" what are you doing? If I don't respond within a reasonable amount of time, she'll know I just left my phone at home. If I take my phone with me, " why were you at _ in Salem ma for 1 hour?" ect, ect. If I turn off my location, I get " why is your location off?

My question, is there any kind of APP that I can leave my phone at home but have the # on a second phone for responding to texts but would show my location as home? Or any other Idea's?

My thing is really AMPs as I love the Asians, I've had prostitutes over to the house on days off that way my location is good but then I'm opening myself up to a whole other level of danger.

Any help is greatly appreciated, PM is fine as well. Thank you!

AMP.Various options, some better than others.

1 - if it has a physical SIM, move the SIM to a different phone and keep the other phone on in a wifi area where you want to appear.

2 - ATT has NumberSync that you can use the same number on multiple devices.

3 - have call forwarding set, but this may show the caller the switching of number.

4 - GPS spoofer app to set a specific location on your phone. Lock it in while at work, the mall, casino, home depot, etc.

5 - turn off location services on you phone when out. This could look fishy if she's always tracking.

These might not all work out the same but are possibilities. I'm sure there are more options out there.

[JmSuttr]

Looking for help, suggestions, I asked this question a cpl of years ago and never found anything that worked, hoping technology has improved or someone else has an idea. I've been mongering for 30 years, married 28, my wife has caught me twice and has stayed with me contingent on me going to counseling, us together going, and her having open access to my phone as well as being tracked through my phone by her, many will ask " why would you put up with that BS?" , well, many, many reasons including children but most importantly money, insurance, its very complicated. Anyway,

On my days off I'd like to visit an AMP, I can't leave my phone at home because she randomly texts throughout the morning and day, " how are you?" what are you doing? If I don't respond within a reasonable amount of time, she'll know I just left my phone at home. If I take my phone with me, " why were you at _ in Salem ma for 1 hour?" ect, ect. If I turn off my location, I get " why is your location off?

My question, is there any kind of APP that I can leave my phone at home but have the # on a second phone for responding to texts but would show my location as home? Or any other Idea's?

My thing is really AMPs as I love the Asians, I've had prostitutes over to the house on days off that way my location is good but then I'm opening myself up to a whole other level of danger.

Any help is greatly appreciated, PM is fine as well. Thank you!

AMP.If you're under the level of scrutiny you describe, it would be prudent to assume that the techniques and tactics your wife is currently using will (at some point) change, evolve, and adapt, in unexpected ways.

For example, you could get everything well-sorted as far as your phone is concerned, and she could unexpectedly hide an Air Tag, or similar tracker, in your car or in some other thing you might not suspect.

Since you're in an especially dicey position, as a third strike is likely to be your last, my main point is that you can't ever afford to let your guard down and need to always be thinking ahead. Even with that, the risk-reward ratio is rather precarious. I certainly understand your urges, but your situation definitely calls for thinking about what could happen in a worst-case scenario. Good luck!

[Amppro95]

If you're under the level of scrutiny you describe, it would be prudent to assume that the techniques and tactics your wife is currently using will (at some point) change, evolve, and adapt, in unexpected ways.

For example, you could get everything well-sorted as far as your phone is concerned, and she could unexpectedly hide an Air Tag, or similar tracker, in your car or in some other thing you might not suspect.

Since you're in an especially dicey position, as a third strike is likely to be your last, my main point is that you can't ever afford to let your guard down and need to always be thinking ahead. Even with that, the risk-reward ratio is rather precarious. I certainly understand your urges, but your situation definitely calls for thinking about what could happen in a worst-case scenario. Good luck!I have spent a lot of time thinking about that, she could very easily place a GPS tracker on my truck, my greatest fear is that she hires a private eye and gets a detailed report with pics and video.

I think its time for me to wave the white flag and give up the mongering except maybe the completely random visit maybe once a year. I'm actually friends with 2 different private eyes and so not only do I know their techniques but know how much they cost per hour, so if she was to get one, she could only do it for so long getting zero results. I'd like to thank everyone who responded to this thread, I appreciate the thoughts, ideas and help.

AMP.

[Woody32]

I have spent a lot of time thinking about that, she could very easily place a GPS tracker on my truck, my greatest fear is that she hires a private eye and gets a detailed report with pics and video.

I think its time for me to wave the white flag and give up the mongering except maybe the completely random visit maybe once a year. I'm actually friends with 2 different private eyes and so not only do I know their techniques but know how much they cost per hour, so if she was to get one, she could only do it for so long getting zero results. I'd like to thank everyone who responded to this thread, I appreciate the thoughts, ideas and help.

AMP.What about saying your back is sore and you need a massage? Not sure how much she knows but I believe in hiding in plane sight. If you tell her you are trying a massage place because some random guy told you that woman does a good massage and it really helped his back. If she's cool with the idea that opens up a ton of possibilities. Good luck.

[MajorJohnson]

What about saying your back is sore and you need a massage? Not sure how much she knows but I believe in hiding in plane sight. If you tell her you are trying a massage place because some random guy told you that woman does a good massage and it really helped his back. If she's cool with the idea that opens up a ton of possibilities. Good luck.My buddy told his wife that the guy he sees does a good job, and it's actually a girl who does a great job "plus".

[KashkaiBoy]

This sounds right to me. This might not be helpful but I'd suggest first trying to open up to your wife honestly about your sexual needs. If you and she are not clicking, she deserves you to be as honest as you can about it. I know of a few friends who have had the conversation with spouses which led to an understanding that occasional non-emotionally connected extramural sexual activity, with protections, could be acceptable (in a don't ask / don't tell way). If both sides can get on the same page about what is valuable about the marriage -- which could be parenting together, financial reasons, affection, support, etc. -- sex might not have to be the measure of commitment. But that won't work in every situation, and if for your wife monogamy is an absolute must, then either you need to figure out how to stay away from AMPs or you need to end the marriage and deal with the consequences. I'm sure I don't need to tell you, living the life of a liar is really shitty and takes a toll on you. And you seem like a good guy, I'm sure you can understand why your wife is acting the way she does.


I have spent a lot of time thinking about that, she could very easily place a GPS tracker on my truck, my greatest fear is that she hires a private eye and gets a detailed report with pics and video.

I think its time for me to wave the white flag and give up the mongering except maybe the completely random visit maybe once a year. I'm actually friends with 2 different private eyes and so not only do I know their techniques but know how much they cost per hour, so if she was to get one, she could only do it for so long getting zero results. I'd like to thank everyone who responded to this thread, I appreciate the thoughts, ideas and help.

AMP.

[SalamanderFour]

Ammpro, if you are worried that your wife put an air tag in your car, you should be able to locate the signal with your own iphone. I'm not familiar with Apple products, but I think you can change the settings to get a signal, and the air tag should come up as an unrecognized device. For Android phones, there's an app Tracker Detector. I've not used it, but I'm going to start trying it out.

[JClearMan1]

Looking for help, suggestions, I asked this question a cpl of years ago and never found anything that worked, hoping technology has improved or someone else has an idea. I've been mongering for 30 years, married 28, my wife has caught me twice and has stayed with me contingent on me going to counseling, us together going, and her having open access to my phone as well as being tracked through my phone by her, many will ask " why would you put up with that BS?" , well, many, many reasons including children but most importantly money, insurance, its very complicated. Anyway,

On my days off I'd like to visit an AMP, I can't leave my phone at home because she randomly texts throughout the morning and day, " how are you?" what are you doing? If I don't respond within a reasonable amount of time, she'll know I just left my phone at home. If I take my phone with me, " why were you at _ in Salem ma for 1 hour?" ect, ect. If I turn off my location, I get " why is your location off?

My question, is there any kind of APP that I can leave my phone at home but have the # on a second phone for responding to texts but would show my location as home? Or any other Idea's?

My thing is really AMPs as I love the Asians, I've had prostitutes over to the house on days off that way my location is good but then I'm opening myself up to a whole other level of danger.

Any help is greatly appreciated, PM is fine as well. Thank you!

AMP.I have the same situation going on, but I've figured out how to get around it completely foolproof: if you have an iPhone and an iPad (or like me, two iPhones: personal and work), you can go into "Find My" on the device you're going to leave at home, turn on "Find My iPhone" and then select "Share my location from this device". Then, on the device you take with you, you disable "Find my iPhone" entirely. Since your location is shared via your Apple ID, only one device can be representative of where you are. This way, you could be mid thrust and reply to a text. I literally have.

[JClearMan1]

Ammpro, if you are worried that your wife put an air tag in your car, you should be able to locate the signal with your own iphone. I'm not familiar with Apple products, but I think you can change the settings to get a signal, and the air tag should come up as an unrecognized device. For Android phones, there's an app Tracker Detector. I've not used it, but I'm going to start trying it out.Yes, it's easy: you open the "Find My" app, open "Items" and click "Add item". The phone will scan for nearby AirTags.

[JmSuttr]

I have spent a lot of time thinking about that, she could very easily place a GPS tracker on my truck, my greatest fear is that she hires a private eye and gets a detailed report with pics and video.

I think its time for me to wave the white flag and give up the mongering except maybe the completely random visit maybe once a year. I'm actually friends with 2 different private eyes and so not only do I know their techniques but know how much they cost per hour, so if she was to get one, she could only do it for so long getting zero results. I'd like to thank everyone who responded to this thread, I appreciate the thoughts, ideas and help..If you take every possible precaution, but refrain from mongering unless and until you have a 99.99% sure opportunity (which will probably pop up at random), at some point your wife might (emphasis on might) become less vigilant. But only you will know if that ever happens, and only you will know what circumstances could push her back into hyper-vigilant mode again.

Also, with all due respect to those who offered advice for defeating specific tracking measures, like AirTags, my overarching point is that you'll never be able to predict with absolute certainty what your wife might do. For (just one) example, instead of hiring an expensive PI, maybe she asks a friend or family member to do some snooping? She doesn't need a professional dossier, she just needs confirmation of her suspicions. And, as I'm sure you know, the threshold for a third strike is probably pretty low. Suspicious wives don't require the standard of proof that would be needed in other circumstances. A near-miss, or a combination of several near-misses, is often enough to tip the scales.

The unfortunate truth is that there's no good answer to your predicament. You and your wife are fundamentally incompatible, at least when it comes to your sex lives. If that can't be changed, then the ongoing stress (for both of you) will continue. Over time your complicated and entangled situation could become more so, less so, or stay the same. If divorce or separation is never going to be in the realm of possibility, then all you can do is figure out how best to resign yourself to the reality of your situation. If divorce or separation does look like it will eventually happen, then your best recourse is to figure out how to get ahead of it and manage things such that your life, and that of your family, isn't totally wrecked.

Again, good luck!

[SalamanderFour]

Yes, it's easy: you open the "Find My" app, open "Items" and click "Add item". The phone will scan for nearby AirTags.So it looks like iphones have a method built-in to find air tags. For Android phones, I tried out iTag and AirGuard, both were free.

ITag. It scans for everything that is putting out a bluetooth low energy proximity signal, identifying them with a makers code. You then do an internet search for the code, to see what kind of device it is. Then you can name them, so you know they are "out of play. " For me, it found two devices nearby, and looking them up I found that they were the garage door opener, and the home heating / thermostat system (wireless thermostats). Summary. It didn't find as many devices as AirGuard did, gave me less info about them, and the devices it found were irrelevant.

AirGuard. Does a more detailed search, only looking for Airpods, Airtags, Apple devices, Chipolo, FindMy devices, SmartTags, and Tiles. You can limit what it looks for. It reports if the devices appear to be constantly with you, i.e. Following you, and what devices are simply in your area. It also tries to show where the devices are located, and device info, but neither of these are very good. For me, it found 0 trackers, and 4 other devices, identifying the devices by their purpose; a Tile, two Apple devices, and a FindMy Device. Summary. AirGuard is better at finding trackers, and getting info about what it finds in your area.

[DownWind]

Tracker Detect is a free app for Androids that will find IPhone air pods. You have it scan and it quickly detects the air pod. Two drawbacks, you have to wait 10 minutes before it will cause the trackers to chirp. That can be maddening when your off route, but it works. Quite surprising to know the little women is suspicious, it can be a life saver. The other problem is the trackers in cars going by you will also register. You have to wait the 10 minutes but it is always a relief to find its a false alarm.

[Corrado58]

I heard a statistic / trend on Bill Maher, that under 40 yr. Olds are earning 49% more than during pre pandemic. Supports the concept of younger mongers having money to support and gladly give up $300+ meets on STG, $500-1,000 on SA. Moreover, young men will seek out the hot bodies who know their sexual market value. Both mongerer and provider are inexperienced in anything other than mechanical, transactional QVs. This makes sense to me albeit generalized.

[Mattis1775]

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bts/d/woburn-wax-specialist-for-men-please/7742905304.html

She's been around for a long time and was doing men waxing way before a lot of these spas even offered it. Her business started in Malden and moved towards Woburn where she stopped seeing clients for awhile due to COVID. She has a strong personality and constantly reminds you that she has a "wife" and the whole conversation during the session is about her "wife". OK, I get it that you don't offer extras and she reminds the readers in both her website and in her ad.

As far as service, amazing! Clean and quick. Before you know it, you're cleaned up and out the door. She recently started posting again post COVID. The old Winthrop lady (now Revere) is unreliable now, considering also that she doesn't provide the finale anymore. She's a bit far in Woburn. Maybe not far for most of you. But a pain for me. I may consider Cida in Everett as she offers waxing service.

Until then, enjoy the weather.

[FlynNY56]

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bts/d/woburn-wax-specialist-for-men-please/7742905304.html

She's been around for a long time and was doing men waxing way before a lot of these spas even offered it. Her business started in Malden and moved towards Woburn where she stopped seeing clients for awhile due to COVID. She has a strong personality and constantly reminds you that she has a "wife" and the whole conversation during the session is about her "wife". OK, I get it that you don't offer extras and she reminds the readers in both her website and in her ad.

As far as service, amazing! Clean and quick. Before you know it, you're cleaned up and out the door. She recently started posting again post COVID. The old Winthrop lady (now Revere) is unreliable now, considering also that she doesn't provide the finale anymore. She's a bit far in Woburn. Maybe not far for most of you. But a pain for me. I may consider Cida in Everett as she offers waxing service.

Until then, enjoy the weather.Why are you saying "she" when the ad clearly states it's a male?

By Appointment Only****Monday through Saturday (I’m a male and I don’t do massages ! I am Wax Professional only !!!)

[Mattis1775]

Why are you saying "she" when the ad clearly states it's a male?

By Appointment Only****Monday through Saturday (Im a male and I dont do massages ! I am Wax Professional only !!!)Sorry, wrong link.

https://bodywaxingbykelly.com/

[Mattis1775]

For those that know her, formerly Weymouth, Brighton and now Charlestown, she's out of action for a bit, in case old friends are looking for her.

[Andir]

Went to 558 today hoping to see YouYou whom I like — was told (through the translator) that she is busy and I need to come back later. Didn't feel like waiting and coming back so I went to 986 which is reliably a FS shop for me. However, when I came to 5XX, there was Cybertruck parked in front. I should admit that was the first time I saw this ugly thing on the street. A serious question: is it any good considering that it's quite expensive?

[Accu13]

Is anyone else on iOS and having issues the past two days? Everytime I hit a link, it flashes red and goes back to the original page? I need to know because I'm stoned and convinced it's my recently deceased mother reincarnated into my brand new iPad and she's not letting me look at the forums.

[LustyB]

Is anyone else on iOS and having issues the past two days? Everytime I hit a link, it flashes red and goes back to the original page? I need to know because I'm stoned and convinced it's my recently deceased mother reincarnated into my brand new iPad and she's not letting me look at the forums.Same issue here. Last couple weeks.

If you hit the "forward" arrow on your browser after it flashes back to the previous page it will load. Real pita. Wish they would fix it soon.

[Admin2]

Same issue here. Last couple weeks.

If you hit the "forward" arrow on your browser after it flashes back to the previous page it will load. Real pita. Wish they would fix it soon.IOS or Safari is throwing a false positive on the site. You can scan the URL without any AV software and it comes back no issues. It works on Android and MS no issue it's only Apple products.

You can install a different browser or you can Go to Settings, and then Safari. Scroll down to the Fraudulent Website Warning function and turn it off . There is nothing for us to fix because there is nothing that's broken.

A2

[LustyB]

IOS or Safari is throwing a false positive on the site. You can scan the URL without any AV software and it comes back no issues. It works on Android and MS no issue it's only Apple products.

You can install a different browser or you can Go to Settings, and then Safari. Scroll down to the Fraudulent Website Warning function and turn it off . There is nothing for us to fix because there is nothing that's broken.

A2That fixed it! Thanks.

[Nrlmus]

There is another thing that just hit me about the situation with BTT. Do you remember how BTT became the only agency in town with dedicated thread on this forum? Does anyone besides me think that this extra visibility contributed towards attracting unwanted attention to it?


Well, there is no way to know how much it contributed or if it contributed at all.

However, the element that continues to be the big downfall to most agencies is $$$ and how they handle it. With a large flow of cash continually coming through, it is difficult to manage quietly. I am talking about at the federal level here.True but you know how the government is. It often would close its eyes on what is officially considered victimless crimes until somebody gets too brazen and in your face about doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if BTT having its own thread here might've just tipped the bucket. Probably not. Probably just some neighbors complained. LE seeing it having its own thread here must've pissed somebody off though.

[Mark Powers]

I'm still getting badgateway on sumosearch. Is it gone forever this time?

Was a helpful tool for sorting out scammers vs legit.

[Max Walker86]

I'm still getting badgateway on sumosearch. Is it gone forever this time?

Was a helpful tool for sorting out scammers vs legit.Thanks for bringing it up! Its been a month it hasn't been working.

[Mattis1775]

Not sure what's going on. But I happened to be at Home Depot in Somerville, just down the street where Chelsea lives in Charlestown. I saw her in the parking lot, next to the plants (empty space where Circuit City used to be) and she looked terrible. Her hair was undone, dressed like she rolled out of bed and was looking around her car. But looking lost, talking to herself and just acting weird. Not sure if she was off her medication or what. When I first saw her, I was going to walk over and say Hello. But as I was approaching her, she just started having a conversation with herself, almost like arguing with someone. She disappeared for a bit to get some help. But not sure what's going on. When I visit her, she seems normal. Perhaps taking medications prior to our visit as our appointments are scheduled, not a drop-in. I'll drop her a line next week or so and hope she's OK.

[Top Floor]

Two thoughts on all the new rubmaps reviews with one conclusion. They're fake. Rubmaps went to crypto to pay for a subscription. A lot of people don't want to or know how to use crypto. Since they did that the new reviews seem to have increased. Either people are putting reviews on there before their subs expire, or the admins for RM are adding reviews so people will pay for subscriptions to read the reviews. The other thought I've had is the AMP owners are using that as advertising. A couple of AMP's I go to have asked me about advertising. They see ads for setting up advertising on pages like adultsearch or backpage or rubmaps and ask my opinion of those sites. Just a thought.

[HappyDave]

Two thoughts on all the new rubmaps reviews with one conclusion. They're fake. Rubmaps went to crypto to pay for a subscription. A lot of people don't want to or know how to use crypto. Since they did that the new reviews seem to have increased. Either people are putting reviews on there before their subs expire, or the admins for RM are adding reviews so people will pay for subscriptions to read the reviews. The other thought I've had is the AMP owners are using that as advertising. A couple of AMP's I go to have asked me about advertising. They see ads for setting up advertising on pages like adultsearch or backpage or rubmaps and ask my opinion of those sites. Just a thought.It's impossible to my knowledge to pay for RM without a trace. Bitcoin and the others want I'd now for any transaction. Pre paid credit cards cab only be used domestically. Not like you can stuff cash in an envelope and mail it. The reviews move extremely slowly, you can catch up on six months in just a couple hours. That said the PM system like on this site is where the gold is. That said if non paying member posts a review you cannot contact them messages are strictly paid member to paid member. Some reviews are factual but others knowing the establishment as I do are solid BS. I do not know who does the posts seems people on any site post fake reviews. I do know for a fact providers use the site for advertising. During the internet crackdown I was a a parlor and asked how business was since there was almost no place to advertise. She pulled out her phone and showed me the listing on RM. All that said most of the best places we know of around here are not on RM or completely out of date. This site has the best value IMHO.

[KatSuno1492]

... or the admins for RM are adding reviews so people will pay for subscriptions to read the reviews. ...This has been my position for the last couple of years. If you called out reviews as fake, in the first 1-2 days after the review the OP would respond in the comments attacking you, but not after that. On a couple of occasions, the OP responded with attacks before the original comments were even visible to others. Meaning they were still in moderation, meaning the OP had admin access.

And actually, I remember back in 2012 when I joined, I had to read through so many fake reviews to find the real ones. They didn't have the patterns like namename## but they all read the same, in ways people simply don't talk.

The crypto thing is another part of why I won't renew. Crypto, over time, generally increases in value, which is different than hard currency. This means the crypto given to RM can be worth more 1-2 months later than the value you got for it initially, which is also less than what you got for CC payment. On my last renew I got 6 months for $100, so about 182 days, and the crypto price is $100 for 140 days.

[MandarinOrange]

This has been my position for the last couple of years. If you called out reviews as fake, in the first 1-2 days after the review the OP would respond in the comments attacking you, but not after that. On a couple of occasions, the OP responded with attacks before the original comments were even visible to others. Meaning they were still in moderation, meaning the OP had admin access.

And actually, I remember back in 2012 when I joined, I had to read through so many fake reviews to find the real ones. They didn't have the patterns like namename## but they all read the same, in ways people simply don't talk.

The crypto thing is another part of why I won't renew. Crypto, over time, generally increases in value, which is different than hard currency. This means the crypto given to RM can be worth more 1-2 months later than the value you got for it initially, which is also less than what you got for CC payment. On my last renew I got 6 months for $100, so about 182 days, and the crypto price is $100 for 140 days.Seems most of the reviews have been skewed to AMPs in Boston Chinatown. I'm curious as to why?

I don't think it's worth having a premium subscription if these AI generated reviews keep appearing.

[Max Walker86]

Went to 558 today hoping to see YouYou whom I like was told (through the translator) that she is busy and I need to come back later. Didn't feel like waiting and coming back so I went to 986 which is reliably a FS shop for me. However, when I came to 5XX, there was Cybertruck parked in front. I should admit that was the first time I saw this ugly thing on the street. A serious question: is it any good considering that it's quite expensive?I know the skinny prick that drives it he thinks hes cool but hes not.
I'd rather get a jeep trackhawk.

[Mattis1775]

Hope everyone is surviving this heat! Still have power and the AC is working. Though some places like the mall and Planet Fitness, their AC wasn't that great. May hit Boston Bowl later this week as their AC is always working. Be safe everyone. Hydrate.

[Mattis1775]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everything-know-pornhubs-plans-pioneer-214110316.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGP_pHcH0MXjYwRU6mY817xh9t9gu0Wzq3imLltW4KNndzNVikftbTNlqSMOk5vKKVoz_c8ZLpaLqKmQlQy_LC4A55MPRzNtgshOkBvv-DItAUmdJpuyRl986GEn8S9vK8epm71vigSt6RDZEVS0jCWgeem-BAjyc7MRozPRohAr

I guess this never took off as it was ten years ago. Though, Elon Musk with his SpaceX would've took on the challenge and the money to back it up for sure. Definitely would've been interesting.

[Nrlmus]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everything-know-pornhubs-plans-pioneer-214110316.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGP_pHcH0MXjYwRU6mY817xh9t9gu0Wzq3imLltW4KNndzNVikftbTNlqSMOk5vKKVoz_c8ZLpaLqKmQlQy_LC4A55MPRzNtgshOkBvv-DItAUmdJpuyRl986GEn8S9vK8epm71vigSt6RDZEVS0jCWgeem-BAjyc7MRozPRohAr

I guess this never took off as it was ten years ago. Though, Elon Musk with his SpaceX would've took on the challenge and the money to back it up for sure. Definitely would've been interesting.You got to grab on tight! Each time you let go you'd be flying away from each other at first thrust. LOL.

[Ho Hunter 328]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everything-know-pornhubs-plans-pioneer-214110316.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGP_pHcH0MXjYwRU6mY817xh9t9gu0Wzq3imLltW4KNndzNVikftbTNlqSMOk5vKKVoz_c8ZLpaLqKmQlQy_LC4A55MPRzNtgshOkBvv-DItAUmdJpuyRl986GEn8S9vK8epm71vigSt6RDZEVS0jCWgeem-BAjyc7MRozPRohAr

I guess this never took off as it was ten years ago. Though, Elon Musk with his SpaceX would've took on the challenge and the money to back it up for sure. Definitely would've been interesting.The Feds probably shut it down because they said it would violate the Mann Act, or sexual tourism laws.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

[Trailman44]

Hey. General question here. I met a provider a handful of times and really had a great connection. She was a 10 in looks, service, and personality. Life happened and she moved away. I'm thinking of taking a trip to see her if she is willing.

I'm curious how far you guys would travel to see someone. It's not like she moved to NH, it's a ways.

[Nrlmus]

Hey. General question here. I met a provider a handful of times and really had a great connection. She was a 10 in looks, service, and personality. Life happened and she moved away. I'm thinking of taking a trip to see her if she is willing.

I'm curious how far you guys would travel to see someone. It's not like she moved to NH, it's a ways.Dude, it's your decision and your decision only. It's all desire vs. Money, as in your capabilities. Our opinions are irrelevant. If you think she's so amazing that you're willing to shed out whatever you need to shed out you'd just do it without anybody's advise. If not, no matter what I think you shouldn't do it. There are people flying over to see providers and flying providers over. Usually they're financially well endowed to be able to easily do that. Then there are other folk.

[MajorJohnson]

Hey. General question here. I met a provider a handful of times and really had a great connection. She was a 10 in looks, service, and personality. Life happened and she moved away. I'm thinking of taking a trip to see her if she is willing.

I'm curious how far you guys would travel to see someone. It's not like she moved to NH, it's a ways.I don't think I'd take a flight anywhere unless I was going there for another reason as well. It would suck to get ghosted after going through hoops to get there. I almost did once back in 01. Lexis Taylor / Megan / Trish, very popular Boston visitor, 19-20 years old, drop dead gorgeous blonde. She went indy, was only doing 6-12 or 24 hour appointments and was in NYC her last week before retirement. Wished I had gone to see her.

[Style20]

Hey. General question here. I met a provider a handful of times and really had a great connection. She was a 10 in looks, service, and personality. Life happened and she moved away. I'm thinking of taking a trip to see her if she is willing.

I'm curious how far you guys would travel to see someone. It's not like she moved to NH, it's a ways.I travel from Boston to NH, CT and Philadelphia but that was when ******* was around and pussy was free. But if it's someone you have to pay to fuck. Then no I wouldn't travel more than 1 hour.

[MandarinOrange]

Hey. General question here. I met a provider a handful of times and really had a great connection. She was a 10 in looks, service, and personality. Life happened and she moved away. I'm thinking of taking a trip to see her if she is willing.

I'm curious how far you guys would travel to see someone. It's not like she moved to NH, it's a ways.Go visit her! Get it out of your system because you will always regret the things you didn't do.

Afterwards, you can sort through your feelings.

[Bran2025]

Hey. General question here. I met a provider a handful of times and really had a great connection. She was a 10 in looks, service, and personality. Life happened and she moved away. I'm thinking of taking a trip to see her if she is willing.

I'm curious how far you guys would travel to see someone. It's not like she moved to NH, it's a ways.Back in the days of internet chat rooms, Yahoo chat, etc etc I connected with women and several times flew part way across the country to meet them. I usually tied it to other business / business trip stuff, but a few times did it just to get laid. I cannot say that I ever regretted it really. . .

So you get a "do it" vote from me.

[Corrado58]

Hey. General question here. I met a provider a handful of times and really had a great connection. She was a 10 in looks, service, and personality. Life happened and she moved away. I'm thinking of taking a trip to see her if she is willing.

I'm curious how far you guys would travel to see someone. It's not like she moved to NH, it's a ways.Timely and interesting post, as I am in the same situation. I respect MO's and Nrlmus' response. Of course, it is your decision. I am interested in your decision making process, what rationale you will use. My rationale would be: how much it matters to you, can you absorb it economically? We spend so much money on things and people that don't give us joy. Can you combine it with another reason to go to that destination? Does she stand out in terms of your options presently as being a rare find that you are not likely to find? If you are mongering now and not happy with your experiences, it may be time to treat yourself. Don't overthink it. Can you trust her to not bail? Does your connection with her give you an implicit, strong confidence that she will carry this through and know that you are going there because of her and that you will not repeat if an arrangement is not honored.

Listen to MO; he sounds like he's lived it.

[SamysMyth]

Timely and interesting post, as I am in the same situation. I respect MO's and Nrlmus' response. Of course, it is your decision. I am interested in your decision making process, what rationale you will use. My rationale would be: how much it matters to you, can you absorb it economically? We spend so much money on things and people that don't give us joy. Can you combine it with another reason to go to that destination? Does she stand out in terms of your options presently as being a rare find that you are not likely to find? If you are mongering now and not happy with your experiences, it may be time to treat yourself. Don't overthink it. Can you trust her to not bail? Does your connection with her give you an implicit, strong confidence that she will carry this through and know that you are going there because of her and that you will not repeat if an arrangement is not honored.

Listen to MO; he sounds like he's lived it.I've got a provider I've seen for years. She's moved about Massachusetts, and I'll drive within a 2 hours of Boston to see her.

I connected with her at the start, and when I can, I'll see her at any of her locations.

Of course I also see other providers nearer to me, as sometimes I don't have lots of time for a session.

[Trailman44]

I've got a provider I've seen for years. She's moved about Massachusetts, and I'll drive within a 2 hours of Boston to see her.

I connected with her at the start, and when I can, I'll see her at any of her locations.

Of course I also see other providers nearer to me, as sometimes I don't have lots of time for a session.Thank you for your opinions. She lives on the limit of what I would consider cost and distance wise. She has asked me to come out. I'm truly on the fence. I don't know if I will pull the trigger but thanks again for your opinions.

[Mattis1775]

Hey. General question here. I met a provider a handful of times and really had a great connection. She was a 10 in looks, service, and personality. Life happened and she moved away. I'm thinking of taking a trip to see her if she is willing.

I'm curious how far you guys would travel to see someone. It's not like she moved to NH, it's a ways.No more than an hour and even that hour is a pain. The furthest I've gone was to see the Robin that lives somewhere past Auburn. Only did it once. Now, I only visit these ladies whenever I'm in that area.

- the MILF in Swansea.

- Kathy in Leominster.

- use to see that BBW in Plaistow, NH. But she's no longer working.

- Marley in Salem.

- Marie in Clinton.

- Leeza in Clinton.

- QQ in Worcester.

I'm sure others will venture further. But I won't travel by air for anyone unless I got money to burn. If I did have that kind of money, I would go to Vegas. I had an amazing experience once with a stable there and that would be a place that I would spend my hard earned money to visit again.

[MandarinOrange]

Timely and interesting post, as I am in the same situation. I respect MO's and Nrlmus' response. ....

Listen to MO; he sounds like he's lived it.Haha, Corrado58 is very perceptive.

[Mark Powers]

I've never sent an Uber for someone but I see people ask for it for outcalls. What information can they see if you send an Uber for them? Can they redirect the driver somewhere else? What are your experiences doing this?

[Mattis1775]

I've never sent an Uber for someone but I see people ask for it for outcalls. What information can they see if you send an Uber for them? Can they redirect the driver somewhere else? What are your experiences doing this?Never used it to pick up Hookers. But picked up relatives. They can't tell the Driver where to go since you used your App to coordinate the ride. They can, however get out of the car and ditch you, leaving the full bill on your account. That's not something they will do since they'll lose out on the donation But it can happen.

[Mark Powers]

Never used it to pick up Hookers. But picked up relatives. They can't tell the Driver where to go since you used your App to coordinate the ride. They can, however get out of the car and ditch you, leaving the full bill on your account. That's not something they will do since they'll lose out on the donation But it can happen.Thanks. What info about you can they see? I assume whatever the driver knows they could know in theory.

[Mattis1775]

Thanks. What info about you can they see? I assume whatever the driver knows they could know in theory.Only your name and the destination. The Driver can look up your Profile on ratings and how long you have been a member. But they shouldn't be divulging that information to begin with.

[MeatMan]

Shannon Sharpe just reinforced why I'll never go to another black woman's house, especially the ones working the ads!.

https://youtube.com/shorts/k4KpzEQUPfs?si=sNUFQeQKJ8wsQgMB

[ZackSmiley420]

Looking for info on this one. Any one on here seen her?

https://skipthegames.com/posts/boston/female-escorts/caucasian_w/-fat-booty-brunette-come-to-yo/502319744435

[ZackSmiley420]

Looking for info on this one. Any one on here seen her?

https://skipthegames.com/posts/boston/female-escorts/caucasian_w/-fat-booty-brunette-come-to-yo/502319744435

[SalamanderFour]

Shannon Sharpe just reinforced why I'll never go to another black woman's house, especially the ones working the ads!.

https://youtube.com/shorts/k4KpzEQUPfs?si=sNUFQeQKJ8wsQgMBNice video, thanks for posting. He and I are in different social groups, but it's instructive, nonetheless.

[Mattis1775]

Shannon Sharpe just reinforced why I'll never go to another black woman's house, especially the ones working the ads!.

https://youtube.com/shorts/k4KpzEQUPfs?si=sNUFQeQKJ8wsQgMBThat's funny as hell. Life lesson for sure.

[ThizzleHats]

This tool seems to have been down for a few weeks. I wonder if it'll ever come back. Shame, it was super useful. Seems like a few trash-tier pretenders have popped up using the name but nowhere near the same functionality.

[ElNeneCali]

Any one get lucky at Encore finding a nice sexy girl. Been there a few times and haven't had any luck. What are peoples best way to approaching someone or getting approached a lot of beautiful women in there and just want one.

[Ho Hunter 328]

Any one get lucky at Encore finding a nice sexy girl. Been there a few times and haven't had any luck. What are peoples best way to approaching someone or getting approached a lot of beautiful women in there and just want one.Spend big, and preferably win big. They'll notice you and approach, that's what they're watching for.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

[HasEnough25]

Does anybody know any head shops or bodegas in the Quincy area where I could grab a couple viagra or cialis on short notice? I'd even settle for royal honey if anybody knows a place to get it. Looking asap. Thanks.

[WClay1973]

Does anybody know any head shops or bodegas in the Quincy area where I could grab a couple viagra or cialis on short notice? I'd even settle for royal honey if anybody knows a place to get it. Looking asap. Thanks.Talk to your PCP. Get a prescription. Easy enough. Tadalafil is the generic version of Cialis, is cheaper, and works just as well. Works longer than Viagra. Good luck.

[RoughThat]

Does anybody know any head shops or bodegas in the Quincy area where I could grab a couple viagra or cialis on short notice? I'd even settle for royal honey if anybody knows a place to get it. Looking asap. Thanks.Just hit a 7/11 or a gas station and grab an OTC pill. They work for FWIW without the hassle trying to obtain the pharmaceutical type. May have slight headache afterwards.

RT.

[Mark Powers]

What Boston area providers have the best onlyfans accounts? Combination of cost and content.

I don't get onlyfans for most random women because there's free porn everywhere, but knowing they are available is kinda hot.

Also post the ones to stay away from. And the ones that are just ok.

Include handles if you can.

I'll compile a consolidated list of hand, es, cost, and ratings if we get enough contributors.

[DarkClouds]

There are quite a few. But most of them are lame / solo scenes. And most don't upload content regularly. So, if I'm motivated to subscribe (which is rare and only if I met the lady and had fun) I download everything so I can watch it later after my subscription runs out.


What Boston area providers have the best onlyfans accounts? Combination of cost and content.

I don't get onlyfans for most random women because there's free porn everywhere, but knowing they are available is kinda hot.

Also post the ones to stay away from. And the ones that are just ok.

Include handles if you can.

I'll compile a consolidated list of hand, es, cost, and ratings if we get enough contributors.

[Xolrac]

Uboatct I tried responding to you but your inbox is full.

[DarkClouds]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.

[Style20]

What Boston area providers have the best onlyfans accounts? Combination of cost and content.

I don't get onlyfans for most random women because there's free porn everywhere, but knowing they are available is kinda hot.

Also post the ones to stay away from. And the ones that are just ok.

Include handles if you can.

I'll compile a consolidated list of hand, es, cost, and ratings if we get enough contributors.Go to spankbang or xvideos. They have plenty of reap professionals onlyfans videos.

[DarkClouds]

It's really odd because I used to be able to access just fine from my iPhone using Safari over my wi-fi and then it stopped working a few days back. Someone wrote on another forum that Safari sees the site as a threat. No idea. Another person wrote that the site was directing to a fraudulent site and so Safari was blocking that and if you press the forward button again it loads the site (this site). I haven't tried that. I tried VPN, turning wi-fi off, upgrading the OS. Nothing worked. Finally, I switched to a different browser (Duck Duck Go) and now it works fine!


Is anyone having issues accessing this site with their iPhone? The page won't load for me. It only works when I'm on my home Wi-Fi?

If Verizon is your provider I think they are throttling us because I have gotten lots of reports about not being able to access the site if they are your ISP.

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[Dano7]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.Which Chelsea is this? I saw one a few years ago in Brookline (I think) that looked like a pear. There is another from ME, I believe who is older but haven't seen. Neither of these are of interest but is this another?

[Dano7]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.Which Chelsea is this? I saw one a few years ago in Brookline (I think) that looked like a pear. There is another from ME, I believe who is older but haven't seen. Neither of these are of interest but are you referring another?

[Oxy Moron]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.I'm guessing this is the Chelsea you mean. I've had an eye on her for a while but I'm pretty much out of the game now. But just in case, what does she ask for a visit?

https://skipthegames.com/posts/boston/female-escorts/caucasian_w/chelsea-in-woburn--the-best-ca/235894769451

OM.

[Admin2]

It's really odd because I used to be able to access just fine from my iPhone using Safari over my wi-fi and then it stopped working a few days back. Someone wrote on another forum that Safari sees the site as a threat. No idea. Another person wrote that the site was directing to a fraudulent site and so Safari was blocking that and if you press the forward button again it loads the site (this site). I haven't tried that. I tried VPN, turning wi-fi off, upgrading the OS. Nothing worked. Finally, I switched to a different browser (Duck Duck Go) and now it works fine!There is an issue with Safari which we cannot fix. For some reason Safari or IOS lists us as a deceptive site. You can run our url through any AV software and we come back clean, this doesn't happen with any other OS or browser so we can't fix Safari

Go to Settings, and then Safari. Scroll down to the Fraudulent Website Warning function and turn it off.

It's a toggle, if you don't want to have that protection off all the time you can turn it on and off.

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[Longjblues]

DC is referring to Chelsea from Charlestown area, who allows FS without and is very fun and considerate.

Chelsea from Maine doesn't allow BBFS, and is well into her forty's, but is fun nonetheless. She has multitude reviews in the other site for your edification.


I'm guessing this is the Chelsea you mean. I've had an eye on her for a while but I'm pretty much out of the game now. But just in case, what does she ask for a visit?

https://skipthegames.com/posts/boston/female-escorts/caucasian_w/chelsea-in-woburn--the-best-ca/235894769451.

[ChiefTain]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.Clear some messages from your inbox.

[ChiefTain]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.Your inbox is full my friend.

[LustyB]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.Is there a link to ad? PICT? Contact?

[DarkClouds]

Thanks for the heads up.


Your inbox is full my friend.

[DarkClouds]

If it's any consolation, Apple also blocks the Seeking app. But you can save the website as a shortcut on your home screen. It's a responsive website, so pretty much works the same as the app, except that your login cookie expires every so often and you have to login again.


There is an issue with Safari which we cannot fix. For some reason Safari or IOS lists us as a deceptive site. You can run our url through any AV software and we come back clean, this doesn't happen with any other OS or browser so we can't fix Safari

Go to Settings, and then Safari. Scroll down to the Fraudulent Website Warning function and turn it off.

It's a toggle, if you don't want to have that protection off all the time you can turn it on and off.

A2

[Mattis1775]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.She's a bit unreliable as of late since she's somewhat employed again. Been seeing her off and on. A few times we were supposed to meet, she either didn't wake up, was still at her other location or simply forgot. Doesn't happen often. But seems to happen a lot lately. Didn't bother me since I'm not that far from her. But gets annoying, especially if you want that pussy.

[WayTooNice69]

Love the exchange of info! Great when info flows so helpful. Thank you guys.

[Hyperion11]

Interesting disclaimer on the other review site. If I read it correctly, uncle LEO can get your info if they want to.

[CornPop]

Halloween costumes are the best. It's gives any civi a chance to dress like a *****. Too bad they don't act like it. Was at a costume party with girls wearing next to nothing with there young tits hanging out. Too bad not one has any daddy issues.

Relieving my stress on mass ave with a little addict nodding off giving me a BBBJ.

[LustyB]

Interesting disclaimer on the other review site. If I read it correctly, uncle LEO can get your info if they want to.LOL good luck finding LustyB and a throw away email address I used to sign up and a VPN to post. Not to mention the fact that none of what’s written here or there is evidence of anything.
I wouldn’t lose sleep.

[Todas]

Chelsea is seeking new friends. Seniors with a good reputation may message me if you don't have her number.Is this the redhead Chelsea who used to be in Brighton but is now in Charlestown?

[GoodTimes2021]

13 November 2024.

Everett, MA. Members of the Everett Police Criminal Investigations Unit and the Malden Police Department served search warrants at two commercial locations in Everett and one residential location in Malden. This investigation is part of an ongoing investigation into alleged prostitution.

Four parties were interviewed and released. No arrests were made.

This is currently an open and active investigation, and there is no further information at this time.

[Hyperion11]

SJC decided today that the show cause hearings will be open to the public:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/trustees-of-boston-university-v-clerk-magistrate-of-the-cambridge-division-of-the-district-court-department-sjc-13551/download

Once again, however tempted you are, do not provide your real name, real phone number, etc. To anyone! Moreover, no explicit talk on the phone! Better get a shitty service once than getting dragged through the courts.

[Nrlmus]

SJC decided today that the show cause hearings will be open to the public:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/trustees-of-boston-university-v-clerk-magistrate-of-the-cambridge-division-of-the-district-court-department-sjc-13551/download

Once again, however tempted you are, do not provide your real name, real phone number, etc. To anyone! Moreover, no explicit talk on the phone! Better get a shitty service once than getting dragged through the courts.Yep.

https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/hearings-prominent-clients-accused-paying-sex-mass-brothels-will-be-public-sjc-rules/QA6QMUQHMJD43LDSKV4EGCXGOU/?utm_campaign=trueanthem_manual&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=instagram

[LarryJay]

https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2024/11/14/hearings-for-alleged-clients-boston-area-brothel-ring-public-sjc/

[Zbtoy]

All of the places I've visited for quite some time have cameras in the hallways, at the desk and at the door. I am trying to figure out how one can be confident there are not secret cameras in the room. Looking for thoughts here and apologies if posting in the wrong location.

[FrogPilot]

All of the places I've visited for quite some time have cameras in the hallways, at the desk and at the door. I am trying to figure out how one can be confident there are not secret cameras in the room. Looking for thoughts here and apologies if posting in the wrong location.In my opinion almost 100% of owners would never put cameras in the rooms because they'd simply be documenting self incriminating acts, but there is of course the small percentage of owners that are either very stupid or want to be able to blackmail a high profile customer or something like that, if you are concerned you can scan around the room with your phone's camera and any hidden camera should show up as a brightly lit spot.

[Mattis1775]

Is this the redhead Chelsea who used to be in Brighton but is now in Charlestown?It is and she's always looking for new clients. I've seen her since she was in Weymouth, and I often need a break from her. She's going through a lot right now, employment wise and emotionally. Last I checked, she wasn't working for that client in the North Shore.

[Mattis1775]

https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2024/11/14/hearings-for-alleged-clients-boston-area-brothel-ring-public-sjc/Sorry, it's absolutely sad that they are making a real big deal about this. Those 28 must be powerful or political figures for them to make such an effort on this exposure. I guess they never learned from the Bob Kraft incident.

[ThatGuy23]

Sorry, it's absolutely sad that they are making a real big deal about this. Those 28 must be powerful or political figures for them to make such an effort on this exposure. I guess they never learned from the Bob Kraft incident.Why are there only charges against 28 men? Just curious what evidence they would have on those 28 men that they don't have on the rest of the client list.

[Longjblues]

They are connected enough and powerful, that they considered keeping their names on the down low.

If it was you and me, the names would have been released immediately, and we'd be charged with trafficking, which they now equate with simple prostitution.

These names may be released without any charges pending.

Talk about a double standard. I want to see what politicians and power brokers were involved. Maybe that we bring some changes, due to the hypocrisy of the politicians. Hey, maybe Krafts name will surface again.


Sorry, it's absolutely sad that they are making a real big deal about this. Those 28 must be powerful or political figures for them to make such an effort on this exposure. I guess they never learned from the Bob Kraft incident.

[Sounds]

Why are there only charges against 28 men? Just curious what evidence they would have on those 28 men that they don't have on the rest of the client list.My guess is they were dumb enough to discuss services and prices in text.

If you just booked an appointment, they could not charge you with anything since going to do "photography" is not against the law.

[Katokay]

My guess is they were dumb enough to discuss services and prices in text.

If you just booked an appointment, they could not charge you with anything since going to do "photography" is not against the law.I personally know someone that has gone to a high end lady and not had sex, unfortunately he isn't able to because of a motorcycle accident. He still likes to look at the woman and has more money than he knows what to do with. I always wondered how the feds could prove these men had sexual relations if they didn't see. Having visited shouldn't be enough to convict or even try someone in court.

[Scraggy]

The standard process for show cause hearings is that they are private. If cause is shown, charges are filed and the whole thing becomes public. If law enforcement can't meet the low bar in these hearings, the whole thing goes away. As it should.

Evidently, the Boston Globe (which sued) couldn't wait to see if there was any actual evidence and the court inexplicably went along. If those implicated had private hearings they would be getting standard treatment, not special treatment because they are public figures. The Globe is pushing for special, harsh treatment because the 28 are famous and the newspaper wants salacious news to sell papers.


They are connected enough and powerful, that they considered keeping their names on the down low.

If it was you and me, the names would have been released immediately, and we'd be charged with trafficking, which they now equate with simple prostitution.

These names may be released without any charges pending.

Talk about a double standard. I want to see what politicians and power brokers were involved. Maybe that we bring some changes, due to the hypocrisy of the politicians. Hey, maybe Krafts name will surface again.

[EarlSandwich]

All of the places I've visited for quite some time have cameras in the hallways, at the desk and at the door. I am trying to figure out how one can be confident there are not secret cameras in the room. Looking for thoughts here and apologies if posting in the wrong location.Ma is a two party consent state. They'd be breaking the law (not that would keep them from doing something shitty with a vid) so the cops can't use it (I think. And. B. Everything I know about the law is from watching the people's court, judge Judy and law and order).

[Longjblues]

You are commenting on general crimes when brought by private citizens, or when police don't have basic evidence of crime, perhaps. But I have never heard or seen a show cause hearing involving prostitutions and Johns. What court did you see that happened?

Granted, I don't have personal info on all courts, but show cause are used selectively, and for less serious offenses.

Besides, we don't know what evidence they have against the johns, do we?


The standard process for show cause hearings is that they are private. If cause is shown, charges are filed and the whole thing becomes public. If law enforcement can't meet the low bar in these hearings, the whole thing goes away. As it should.

Evidently, the Boston Globe (which sued) couldn't wait to see if there was any actual evidence and the court inexplicably went along. If those implicated had private hearings they would be getting standard treatment, not special treatment because they are public figures. The Globe is pushing for special, harsh treatment because the 28 are famous and the newspaper wants salacious news to sell papers.

[KatSuno1492]

Ma is a two party consent state. They'd be breaking the law (not that would keep them from doing something shitty with a vid) so the cops can't use it (I think. And. B. Everything I know about the law is from watching the people's court, judge Judy and law and order).Regardless of two-party consent, per MGL c. 272, § 105 (https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/Section105):

"(b) Whoever willfully photographs, videotapes or electronically surveils another person who is nude or partially nude, with the intent to secretly conduct or hide such activity, when the other person in such place and circumstance would have a reasonable expectation of privacy in not being so photographed, videotaped or electronically surveilled, and without that person's knowledge and consent, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 21/2 years or by a fine of not more than $5,000".

Of course, there is an exception to this for warranted actions:

"(e) This section shall not apply to a law enforcement officer acting within the scope of the officer's authority under applicable law, or by an order or warrant issued by a court. ".

[KatSuno1492]

Can we please move the BTT topics to the General thread? BTT was never an AMP, and all the other discussions associated with it are there (since the BTT thread was closed).

[Don Barzini]

Can we please move the BTT topics to the General thread? BTT was never an AMP, and all the other discussions associated with it are there (since the BTT thread was closed).Thank You! I was just about to post a similar message.

[Ho Hunter 328]

Ma is a two party consent state. They'd be breaking the law (not that would keep them from doing something shitty with a vid) so the cops can't use it (I think. And. B. Everything I know about the law is from watching the people's court, judge Judy and law and order).That only applies to audio recording, not video without audio.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

[AceOfMatt]

I was saving my tall BK cup to use and just discovered this morning that a spider was in it at the bottom of it. Still swishing away inside it, he was still alive. Yuck 🤮 I was just drinking from this, this morning. From last night. What will happen, probably nothing? But I remember seeing a show of where a spider got somebody really sick, horrible stomach / abdominal cramps and fever. It was 1 of those odd things to send people to the ER type of shows. The guy got really sick, bad reaction from it. Knowing my luck, it'll happen to me! LOL.

[Admin2]

Can we please move the BTT topics to the General thread? BTT was never an AMP, and all the other discussions associated with it are there (since the BTT thread was closed).


Thank You! I was just about to post a similar message.You two understand that posting these reports is just as off topic as the other guys right?

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[Don Barzini]

You two understand that posting these reports is just as off topic as the other guys right?

A2Duly noted and understood, but they did produce the desired result. Thank You Very Much!

[SalamanderFour]

The standard process for show cause hearings is that they are private. If cause is shown, charges are filed and the whole thing becomes public. If law enforcement can't meet the low bar in these hearings, the whole thing goes away. As it should.

Evidently, the Boston Globe (which sued) couldn't wait to see if there was any actual evidence and the court inexplicably went along. If those implicated had private hearings they would be getting standard treatment, not special treatment because they are public figures. The Globe is pushing for special, harsh treatment because the 28 are famous and the newspaper wants salacious news to sell papers.Scraggy is right. The Show Cause in District Court is similar to the Grand Jury (GJ) for Superior Court. Like the GJ, the proceedings are secret, in private. If charges are issued, then it become a public matter. It's wrong to change a court's procedures just because a newspaper wants a story. The law should be applied the same, I. E. Justice is blind to the parties involved. Rich or poor. The rules shouldn't be changed because a news show wants something to increase their ratings.

[MajorJohnson]

Scraggy is right. The Show Cause in District Court is similar to the Grand Jury (GJ) for Superior Court. Like the GJ, the proceedings are secret, in private. If charges are issued, then it become a public matter. It's wrong to change a court's procedures just because a newspaper wants a story. The law should be applied the same, I. E. Justice is blind to the parties involved. Rich or poor. The rules shouldn't be changed because a news show wants something to increase their ratings.The Local media ran a story on the COMM of Ma courts and the secret show cause procedure that most states do not have. If you or your attorney have connections, you can get most minor charges to disappear in that secret hearing that's run by a magistrate not a judge. They've never been open to the public. Mostly first-time offenders with minor charges avoid getting a record and ruining their future over a minor charge.

[GoodTimes2021]

Anybody knows which AMP is this (pic in the news story)?

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/everett-malden-prostitution-investigation/3550185/

[FlynNY56]

Anybody knows which AMP is this (pic in the news story)?

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/everett-malden-prostitution-investigation/3550185/San San Spa in Everett. Been there a few times, not anymore though. LOL.

[DarkClouds]

Interestingly, San San Spa is at 904 Broadway. But the picture in the news report shows 906, which is next door and is actually advertised as Asian Health Spa which, according to the report, was operating illegally in the premises of an insurance agency office. Go figure!


San San Spa in Everett. Been there a few times, not anymore though. LOL.

[KatSuno1492]

San San Spa in Everett. Been there a few times, not anymore though. LOL.


Interestingly, San San Spa is at 904 Broadway. But the picture in the news report shows 906, which is next door and is actually advertised as Asian Health Spa which, according to the report, was operating illegally in the premises of an insurance agency office. Go figure!In this video from NBC10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbnAd5iBbNE they talked about 904 as well, above the hair salon.

[FlynNY56]

In this video from NBC10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbnAd5iBbNE they talked about 904 as well, above the hair salon.Because the idiot mongers were walking into the hair salon asking about massage instead of going upstairs.

Once again a few ruin it for everyone else.

[GoodTimes2021]

San San Spa in Everett. Been there a few times, not anymore though. LOL.Thank you!

[Cars2]

I have been hearing that's where lot of girls works at. Any intel on that?

[Todas]

Going to hit L. A in a few days and was wondering if any of you travelers have any info of any kind. Going to definitely hit korea town but have my Eye on this mature lady Annikagilf, I still have my HX account so Cali is an open menu. But was wondering if any of you have seen her.

[Bike Rider Y]

Going to hit L. A in a few days and was wondering if any of you travelers have any info of any kind. Going to definitely hit korea town but have my Eye on this mature lady Annikagilf, I still have my HX account so Cali is an open menu. But was wondering if any of you have seen her.Take a drive down Figueroa, very fun.

[Todas]

Going to hit L. A in a few days and was wondering if any of you travelers have any info of any kind. Going to definitely hit korea town but have my Eye on this mature lady Annikagilf, I still have my HX account so Cali is an open menu. But was wondering if any of you have seen her.Thank you for the input, definitely have lots to choose from.

Special shout out to KOF, Jennifer is definitely on my to do list.

Ill report my shenanigans when I return.

[Nrlmus]

Will be in Miami over New Years. Any idea on what not to miss? Where is the best street action both for pick up and window shopping? Any places that you just must see once in a lifetime? Club to hit, incall not to miss, what is a reasonable price point and where? Whatever info would be greatly appreciated.

[Todas]

Thank you for the input, definitely have lots to choose from.

Special shout out to KOF, Jennifer is definitely on my to do list.

Ill report my shenanigans when I return.Confirmed Jenifer, great conversation back and forth.

Hitting some old school latinas, happy holidays to everyone.

[Todas]

Damn.

Only been in LA a few days and the talent has far exceeded my expectations.

We are definitely lacking in Boston.

Kgirls are plentiful here with great price point.

$320 seems to be the norm.

And other ladies have a quote of $300 or less for FS.

I love LA.

Boston needs to step up its game.

[Bran2025]

'Tis the season to travel. Italy kinda scares me for mongering. . .

For Amsterdam I MIGHT have luck using the Seeking app. Otherwise while the offerings there are safe, they seem generally pretty scripted and expensive.

Any advice / tips / confirmations?

[Andir]

'Tis the season to travel. Italy kinda scares me for mongering. . .

For Amsterdam I MIGHT have luck using the Seeking app. Otherwise while the offerings there are safe, they seem generally pretty scripted and expensive.

Any advice / tips / confirmations?Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands. When you are in Amsterdam, there is no need to look for any offerings online (unless you really want to for some reason), you just need to go to the Red Light District and choose a girl you like. The going price presently is 100 euros for 15-20 minutes including suck and fuck. If you are a slow cumer (is that a word? You might be out of luck if you need more than 30 min to ejaculate. It's a major tourist attraction and the area gets quite busy at night. Most people are not for sex there — just to look at the girls staying / sitting / dancing in windows. That's a fun place.

[Partimer109]

'Tis the season to travel. Italy kinda scares me for mongering. . .

For Amsterdam I MIGHT have luck using the Seeking app. Otherwise while the offerings there are safe, they seem generally pretty scripted and expensive.

Any advice / tips / confirmations?Amsterdam, head to Dam sq, two blocks from Dam square heading towards Bulldog cafe to the red light district, watch videos.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=red+light+district+amsterdam they also have live sex shows no sure about participation.

Selling sex is regulated, so all the girls in windows have up to date STD medical cards and up to date on shots, window shop all you want at leisure day and night 24/7.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=red+light+district+amsterdam.

[Bran2025]

Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands. When you are in Amsterdam, there is no need to look for any offerings online (unless you really want to for some reason), you just need to go to the Red Light District and choose a girl you like. The going price presently is 100 euros for 15-20 minutes including suck and fuck. If you are a slow cumer (is that a word? You might be out of luck if you need more than 30 min to ejaculate. It's a major tourist attraction and the area gets quite busy at night. Most people are not for sex there just to look at the girls staying / sitting / dancing in windows. That's a fun place.100 euros sounds fantastic, but I was under the impression that there's a lot of upselling and little joy to be had if as a customer you want to stick to the "base price. " I'd be happy to be wrong about that!

[Andir]

100 euros sounds fantastic, but I was under the impression that there's a lot of upselling and little joy to be had if as a customer you want to stick to the "base price. " I'd be happy to be wrong about that!They will give you the base price, not you. And it will start from 100 euros in most cases. If you want longer time or additional services (let's say anal), that would be more. Not sure what you meant saying "little joy". It's a business transaction and this is not the place to look for your next girlfriend. A word of warning — don't take pictures of the girls, at least not openly. It might end up pretty badly if you do.

[Partimer109]

Damn.

Only been in LA a few days and the talent has far exceeded my expectations.

We are definitely lacking in Boston.

Kgirls are plentiful here with great price point.

$320 seems to be the norm.

And other ladies have a quote of $300 or less for FS.


I love LA.

Boston needs to step up its game.Read the L. A. Reports and how they write it and you'll understand why Boston don't get that talent here, most of the posting berate the women here, if you were a hot chick, why would you subject yourself to this abuse, and berating, which chases all the hotties away, there are a lot of negative insulting posts (some truth and a lot of hostility) and that's why we have what we have here, if this atmosphere changes we might get some good talent.

[Nrlmus]

Read the L. A. Reports and how they write it and you'll understand why Boston don't get that talent here, most of the posting berate the women here, if you were a hot chick, why would you subject yourself to this abuse, and berating, which chases all the hotties away, there are a lot of negative insulting posts (some truth and a lot of hostility) and that's why we have what we have here, if this atmosphere changes we might get some good talent.I think weather might also have something to do with it. LOL.

[KatSuno1492]

Read the L. A. Reports and how they write it and you'll understand why Boston don't get that talent here, most of the posting berate the women here, if you were a hot chick, why would you subject yourself to this abuse, and berating, which chases all the hotties away, there are a lot of negative insulting posts (some truth and a lot of hostility) and that's why we have what we have here, if this atmosphere changes we might get some good talent.


I think weather might also have something to do with it. LOL.The weather is probably part of it. Plus in CA there's a huge Korean population. Bay area, LA, even SD has a growing population. In LA's Koreatown as of 2008 there was an estimated 30,000 Koreans (out of about 125 k total); that number most certainly has only grown. Even with our Chinese population how many C-girl services do we have? In 2019 in the Boston-Cambridge-Newton metropolitan area there was an estimated 174 k Chinese people; how many of those are providers? How many are even adult women? As of 2023 Boston was the 23rd largest city by population, with LA being 4 times larger. Add to that the fact that agencies GET SHUT DOWN here, the risk / reward for them is probably just not there. Why risk big legal issues in this small of a market? PVD's 3 K-girl spas tend to support the legal theory, I think.

[Mattis1775]

Always had a interest about this and a few Mongers shared their experiences. By random, watching YouTube and the nightlife of Bangkok came up. Decided to do some searching on some guides and one came up that was very interesting:

https://www.thailandredcat.com/nightlife-and-thai-girls-in-bangkok/

A few common ones, such as the Go Go Bars and Nightclubs. But what caught my interest was the Blowjob Bars. LOL. I guess there is such a thing. Even the author made it sound funny - "Probably the most infamous type of place in Bangkok's red light industry are the blow job bars yes, literally.".

Of course, decided to search it online as I'm sure there are hidden footages of it on the lovely porn sites as there were some good ones. Others didn't sound too interesting, such as the Happy Ending parlors, which we can get here. Probably the soapy parlors would be interesting. But nothing beats Japan. Would love multiple girls and for what the prices are there, it's definitely possible. Maybe someday, before my tool doesn't work anymore.

[Nrlmus]

The weather is probably part of it. Plus in CA there's a huge Korean population. Bay area, LA, even SD has a growing population. In LA's Koreatown as of 2008 there was an estimated 30,000 Koreans (out of about 125 k total); that number most certainly has only grown. Even with our Chinese population how many C-girl services do we have? In 2019 in the Boston-Cambridge-Newton metropolitan area there was an estimated 174 k Chinese people; how many of those are providers? How many are even adult women? As of 2023 Boston was the 23rd largest city by population, with LA being 4 times larger. Add to that the fact that agencies GET SHUT DOWN here, the risk / reward for them is probably just not there. Why risk big legal issues in this small of a market? PVD's 3 K-girl spas tend to support the legal theory, I think.Absolutely! There are plenty of k-girls however that live in LA but include Boston in their tours. I can think of 4 off the top of my head and I didn't see all that many of them.

Actually many other providers that live in California, if they come to the East Coast also usually include Boston in their tours. Surely one wouldn't expect us to do as well as NY, LA, Chicago or Bay area cities do because we're much smaller than those urban areas. Hence we get everything less.

Want wider choice? Move to NY! Want wider Asian and Latina choice? Move to LA. I think for our size we're doing just fine, especially considering our reputation as the capital of American puritania.

[Ho Hunter 328]

A few common ones, such as the Go Go Bars and Nightclubs. But what caught my interest was the Blowjob Bars. LOL. I guess there is such a thing. Even the author made it sound funny - "Probably the most infamous type of place in Bangkok's red light industry are the blow job bars yes, literally.".
In Switzerland you can get a coffee and a BJ for 60€, supposedly they're expanding to the UK too.

https://www.fellatio-cafe.com/en/#.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

[LustyB]

In Switzerland you can get a coffee and a BJ for 60, supposedly they're expanding to the UK too.

https://www.fellatio-cafe.com/en/#.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.Japan has blow job bars too. Stop in after work, get a drink and a blow job before heading home to the Mrs.

[Mattis1775]

In Switzerland you can get a coffee and a BJ for 60, supposedly they're expanding to the UK too.

https://www.fellatio-cafe.com/en/#.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.Now that would be something great during your morning commute. Stressed out? Grab a morning coffee, empty your load and have an excellent day. Definitely more productive during work.

[Nrlmus]

In Switzerland you can get a coffee and a BJ for 60, supposedly they're expanding to the UK too.

https://www.fellatio-cafe.com/en/#.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.Ef! I'd love to try that! We played Stoneface few times when I was stationed on Okinawa with friendly Filipino dancer under the table. I never managed to win but came close once and it was a great time!

[Nrlmus]

Japan has blow job bars too. Stop in after work, get a drink and a blow job before heading home to the Mrs.Are they usually Gaijin-friendly or Japanese only?

[Jack A Dogov]

Always had a interest about this and a few Mongers shared their experiences. By random, watching YouTube and the nightlife of Bangkok came up. Decided to do some searching on some guides and one came up that was very interesting:

https://www.thailandredcat.com/nightlife-and-thai-girls-in-bangkok/

A few common ones, such as the Go Go Bars and Nightclubs. But what caught my interest was the Blowjob Bars. LOL. I guess there is such a thing. Even the author made it sound funny - "Probably the most infamous type of place in Bangkok's red light industry are the blow job bars yes, literally.".

Of course, decided to search it online as I'm sure there are hidden footages of it on the lovely porn sites as there were some good ones. Others didn't sound too interesting, such as the Happy Ending parlors, which we can get here. Probably the soapy parlors would be interesting. But nothing beats Japan. Would love multiple girls and for what the prices are there, it's definitely possible. Maybe someday, before my tool doesn't work anymore.This is a good guide. Thanks for posting it. I've been thinking about a Thailand trip this year (not just for hobbying though that's a big part of it hahaha) and have been watching some of Kingepic's videos. (www.kingepic.com) I haven't purchased his guide but am wondering if anyone has and if it's worth it.

[LustyB]

Are they usually Gaijin-friendly or Japanese only?Most are just Japan friendly, but there are a few that are Gaijin. Jan Jan is good.

[Max Walker86]

You guys remember af favorite sexy Portuguese queen? I got a add as friend suggestion on my Facebook. It was her.

If you'd like to see her let me know.

[Dano7]

Yes, or at least info to find her on fb, thanks!


You guys remember af favorite sexy Portuguese queen? I got a add as friend suggestion on my Facebook. It was her.

If you'd like to see her let me know.

[Max Walker86]

Yes, or at least info to find her on fb, thanks!Just sent a message to you.

[Bouinage]

This is a good guide. Thanks for posting it. I've been thinking about a Thailand trip this year (not just for hobbying though that's a big part of it hahaha) and have been watching some of Kingepic's videos. (www.kingepic.com) I haven't purchased his guide but am wondering if anyone has and if it's worth it.My 2 cents. Thailand is amazing. The blowjob bars are awesome. Sex is not wrapped up in their morality and so are very liberated. Sex workers are not looked down upon, it's a means to an end. Thus, the woman are happy, fun to be with, and are rarely drugged out. Hygiene is awesome and most ladies genuinely want to have as good a time as you. Plus it's super cheap and a great exchange rate. Most ladies speak some English in tourist places. BJ bars are easy. Walk in, pick your lady, pay, go upstairs. She washes you, depending on the place you sit in a chair or sofa and she goes to town. Most places have a menu you choose options e. G. Two girls, rim, etc. If you get a chance Pattaya is awesome also. Downside is takes a long time to get there, so not for a weekend jaunt. It's not America and a different world all together. Don't drink the water, even when brushing your teeth. You will spend way more than you think on the ladies. They know how to get your money, but truly awesome place to travel, eat, and monger.

[LGreen]

My 2 cents. Thailand is amazing. The blowjob bars are awesome. Sex is not wrapped up in their morality and so are very liberated. Sex workers are not looked down upon, it's a means to an end. Thus, the woman are happy, fun to be with, and are rarely drugged out. Hygiene is awesome and most ladies genuinely want to have as good a time as you. Plus it's super cheap and a great exchange rate. Most ladies speak some English in tourist places. BJ bars are easy. Walk in, pick your lady, pay, go upstairs. She washes you, depending on the place you sit in a chair or sofa and she goes to town. Most places have a menu you choose options e. G. Two girls, rim, etc. If you get a chance Pattaya is awesome also. Downside is takes a long time to get there, so not for a weekend jaunt. It's not America and a different world all together. Don't drink the water, even when brushing your teeth. You will spend way more than you think on the ladies. They know how to get your money, but truly awesome place to travel, eat, and monger.I agree, the BJ bars are quite interesting. My personal opinion was I found 80% of the Thai girls were very beautiful. Sometimes it was difficult to distinguish between some of the native girls and working girls on the street. Last year hooked up with one girl that arranged a threesome each night with a different girl every night. These girls have stamina and enjoy all varieties of sex. Pattaya was a blast. The ping pong shows are wild

[ChiefTain]

You guys remember af favorite sexy Portuguese queen? I got a add as friend suggestion on my Facebook. It was her.

If you'd like to see her let me know.Can I see the Portuguese queen or how to find her. Wish she still serviced mass.

[Max Walker86]

Can I see the Portuguese queen or how to find her. Wish she still serviced mass.Check your inbox.

[Mark Powers]

How anonymous is Ubering someone? Whenever I'm asked to uber someone I always bail because I'm afraid they would be able to get my name or something from the driver. Also, can they change the destination? If they are a bad customer will that ding my rating?

Have you ubered girls places? Any issues with doing it?

[Mattis1775]

How anonymous is Ubering someone? Whenever I'm asked to uber someone I always bail because I'm afraid they would be able to get my name or something from the driver. Also, can they change the destination? If they are a bad customer will that ding my rating?

Have you ubered girls places? Any issues with doing it?I did it a couple of times to a girl that I've visited several times and felt safe with it in another state. Everything is controlled by you. The only thing that the Driver will have is your name, number and destination. The occupant cannot ask the driver to change course as it's done on the App. Basically, if you were in the car and needed to add a stop, it can only be done by you on the app. If the driver diverts on their own, the app will trigger something asking the driver why they are going a different direction. Safety protocol. If the Ho that you're bringing is giving the driver a hard time, then yes, they can give you a bad rating for having them pick up a psychopath. If it's a druggie that's even worse if they pass out in their car.

[ADC2000]

You guys remember af favorite sexy Portuguese queen? I got a add as friend suggestion on my Facebook. It was her.

If you'd like to see her let me know.I sent you a message about Portuguese queen. Did you get it?

[Vlakvark13]

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[Hobbyist420]

I did it a couple of times to a girl that I've visited several times and felt safe with it in another state. Everything is controlled by you. The only thing that the Driver will have is your name, number and destination. The occupant cannot ask the driver to change course as it's done on the App. Basically, if you were in the car and needed to add a stop, it can only be done by you on the app. If the driver diverts on their own, the app will trigger something asking the driver why they are going a different direction. Safety protocol. If the Ho that you're bringing is giving the driver a hard time, then yes, they can give you a bad rating for having them pick up a psychopath. If it's a druggie that's even worse if they pass out in their car.Also a good idea to just use one app for your monger rides, and another for your personal actual rides, that way if you get downvoted thanks to some unruly ho, it only affects that app not affecting the other's rating.

[Todas]

Is this who you talking about?

https://hot.com/us/ma/boston/escorts/gallery/1-617-352-2343/m-h%5BvY

[ADC2000]

Is this who you talking about?

https://hot.com/us/ma/boston/escorts/gallery/1-617-352-2343/m-h%5BvYYup, that's her but that seems to be an old post of her.

[Todas]

It seems that New England loves to bust asian providers. Thats what makes the news.

I'm wondering if other agencies snitch, have yet to hear about other agencies getting popped, payout or better security.

Seems weird, but as of now just going to stick with my regulars, at least until spring. Just wondering how others feel about agencies, at least the ones with Asians.

[Nrlmus]

It seems that New England loves to bust asian providers. Thats what makes the news.

I'm wondering if other agencies snitch, have yet to hear about other agencies getting popped, payout or better security.

Seems weird, but as of now just going to stick with my regulars, at least until spring. Just wondering how others feel about agencies, at least the ones with Asians.It might have something to do with Asian agencies operating out of apartments which have them remaining stationary with hordes of unknown men going in and out of the apartment all day long attracting attention of neighbors.

Agencies that operate out of hotels have girls change hotels as often as possible while clients have better chance to blend in with the crowd. Moreover hotels are not really interested in commotion and often would let things go even if they suspect something, while neighboring hotel guests don't stay put long enough to get annoyed with a girl seemingly working next door.

In short, apartments might costs less to rent than hotel rooms but also present LE with a better target.

[Style20]

Yup, that's her but that seems to be an old post of her.She still seeing guys?

[Todas]

It might have something to do with Asian agencies operating out of apartments which have them remaining stationary with hordes of unknown men going in and out of the apartment all day long attracting attention of neighbors.

Agencies that operate out of hotels have girls change hotels as often as possible while clients have better chance to blend in with the crowd. Moreover hotels are not really interested in commotion and often would let things go even if they suspect something, while neighboring hotel guests don't stay put long enough to get annoyed with a girl seemingly working next door.

In short, apartments might costs less to rent than hotel rooms but also present LE with a better target.Yeah hotels do seem to tolerate more random foot traffic, wonder why those agencies getting popped don't do the same. Especially since apartment neighbors can be very nosy and catch on quick. Like my younger days dealing, found out that real quick🤣129315;.

[Nrlmus]

Yeah hotels do seem to tolerate more random foot traffic, wonder why those agencies getting popped don't do the same. Especially since apartment neighbors can be very nosy and catch on quick. Like my younger days dealing, found out that real quick🤣129315;.Apartments are much cheap to rent. Hotel rates increase expenses and consequently rates. There still a website for the k-girl agency, Geisha Styles that tried to move into Boston market soon after BTT bust to neutralize increasing encroachment of Boston International onto k-girls market. Geisha Styles also tried to use hotels. That made their rates quickly eclipse Boston International's that could absorb the difference in accommodation prices with its large, well established clientele and high number of working providers. That quickly made Geisha Styles fold in any practical sense and at this point it still basically exist as nothing more than a website. Capitalism in its purest LOL.

[Wabbitt9]

It might have something to do with Asian agencies operating out of apartments which have them remaining stationary with hordes of unknown men going in and out of the apartment all day long attracting attention of neighbors.

Agencies that operate out of hotels have girls change hotels as often as possible while clients have better chance to blend in with the crowd. Moreover hotels are not really interested in commotion and often would let things go even if they suspect something, while neighboring hotel guests don't stay put long enough to get annoyed with a girl seemingly working next door.

In short, apartments might costs less to rent than hotel rooms but also present LE with a better target.That being said, XO worked out of hotels all over the country and still got busted. But it took a lot of years for the glowies to get them.

[Amppro95]

Question: If you typically give 160 tip on a 60 min massage with BJ, daty, CFS, what do you tip for a 90 min with the same but 2 pops, one in the beginning, massage, then round 2?

AMP.

[MarriedTom]

Question: If you typically give 160 tip on a 60 min massage with BJ, daty, CFS, what do you tip for a 90 min with the same but 2 pops, one in the beginning, massage, then round 2?

AMP.I typically give $140 for the 60 minutes. Would probably give an extra $30 for the second maybe $40 if they really had to work at it!

[Nrlmus]

That being said, XO worked out of hotels all over the country and still got busted. But it took a lot of years for the glowies to get them.True, and if I remember correctly there were a lot of complaints from girls about XO owners not being careful enough. Moreover, they were in US. A.

Anyway, nothing is guaranteed in the US in regards to escorting, hobbying, or running agencies anyway. Don't forget it's illegal. You just play odds, that's all. What's more likely, and what's less likely. If you want complete safety in regards to LE you move to the country where prostitution is legal. Elementary Watson.

[ItsJustJayHmu]

My buddy's looking for an AMP or escort option with some metal. Up top or tongue. Seems like from RTFF it's pretty rare at AMPs, but anyone with intel on options out there?

[Todas]

Anyone out there try this app? Seems like a tinder for people looking for flings and kink discovery.

Interesting but don't know. Any thoughts?

[Wabbitt9]

Anyone out there try this app? Seems like a tinder for people looking for flings and kink discovery.

Interesting but don't know. Any thoughts?Never heard of it. But I made an account and most of the matches I was getting were pansexuals who look like they kick the pan clean, grannies, and trans (even though I didn't have them selected). Any moderately attractive woman was married looking for a another guy to join them and her husband (even though I didn't have that selected either) or 20 year olds specifically looking for other women.

I liked a few people, so I guess we'll see what happens.

[Sadinhaverhill]

Anyone out there try this app? Seems like a tinder for people looking for flings and kink discovery.

Interesting but don't know. Any thoughts?If I recall, its more for 3-somes or poly / swinger hookups.

[SalamanderFour]

Anyone out there try this app? Seems like a tinder for people looking for flings and kink discovery.

Interesting but don't know. Any thoughts?An acquaintance was talking about that site. Worked for him in finding f__buddies. Getting woman to sleep w him on a regular basis, but not have a fully committed see-the-parents relationship. However, he's fairly handsome, very smart and a smooth talker, mid-20's, and single. Not rolling in money, but not on hard times either.

So. He might be successful on any site.

[Xolrac]

I guess it must be my lucky day! The new "CEO" of the "report center" is going to get my money refunded. Apparently for a scam I fell for so long ago I don't even remember lodging the complaint. Finally some justice for us!

Thought some of you might get a chuckle out of this.

[DownWind]

I guess it must be my lucky day! The new "CEO" of the "report center" is going to get my money refunded. Apparently for a scam I fell for so long ago I don't even remember lodging the complaint. Finally some justice for us!


Thought some of you might get a chuckle out of this.If you have become sucessful enough to afford to monger, you probably also can see this as a scam without using much bandwidth.