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If you try again ask for Yu Yu. Be nice and xtras follow.Thanks for the tip. Wonder if she was the one I saw in the hallway. Maybe they assigned me the legit masseuse because I looked young.
Seffner Monger
02-14-10, 11:45
Anyone have any good experience here yet? I went one night and being uncertain about what was available, took a half hour. Once inside I was asked if I wanted to go for a full hour. Sensing it might be better, I agreed. I probably shouldn't have. What seemed like 15 minutes later, I was told that they had another customer who needed my masseuse, and had to leave with what they said was my half hour. The older Asian left her smock on, and there were no extras that I could tell. No shower, not much at all.
PM me if you want more info, or have more info share.
Tried several times, no extras whatsoever. This is a Chinese AMP, as opposed to Korean.
Friday Katz
02-14-10, 23:11
I know, I know. It's not like it used to B. I sure do miss Sunny's salad tossing tongue and her full tilt boogey sexuality. Anyway I was in a nostalgic mood and, courtesy of some unlucky poker players, thought what the hell; how bad could the damages be? So I pulled into an empty parking lot behind the building. They used to greet you at the back door but now have signs directing you to use the front. I entered the front door and pushed a call button
Maya appeared. A short Korean with long hair and a pair of 34B bolt-ons. I opted for the standard $80 hour because I love a table shower. As she led me to my room I noticed the overall appearance was a little shabby but that was all. No mold, mildew or noxious fumes. The room's linens appeared to be clean and fresh. The TS was above average. Maya used her hands instead of the stupid loofa washcloth and made sure every inch of me was squeaky clean. She even cleaned my ears.
The massage was also above average and better than some LMTs I've had. She even covered my feet with a warm towel. Nice touch. Overall, she was very thorough with good technique and varied styles. Occasionally she made sure Mr Happy and the twins were still awake. It lasted about 40 minutes. After the flip she proceeded with a leisurely manual HE which was also well done. Afterwards, she finished with a warm towel wipedown, a short upper body massage, and helped me dress. I tipped her $. 50 but she seemed a little disappointed. Oh well, it's not like I intend to return. Overall I was pleasantly surprised that Osaka wasn't the cesspit some people say it has become. And I really enjoyed the massage. I think upgraded services could be had for regulars.
Not what it used to be but extras available if you are a regular. No not for the 40 like Yumi, but there are a couple of gals that have given me BBBJ in here. I have found best way with them is to tel them how hot they are and make sure you are fully erect when they walk into the room. You get the big smile and a tug while they bring you to TS. Extra attention payed to your junk there. They will go no further than a HJ unless they know you. There are only a couple that I have gotten BJ from. I assume the rest will offer after they know me too.
On Dale Mabry.
Yes very cold.
They try and do the TS after the massage.
I always like before.
HJ are the norm in this place. Extras can be had.
Was offered but a little steep asking price and I did not feel like haggling.
Mack Smith
02-15-10, 15:29
Saw Deborah, second time. Had seen her a couple of years back and not bad experience then. Pretty good actually. This time was totally different. Horrible attitude. Paid for hour and got abotu 20 min. Brushed her hands up and down my back for about 15 minutes, didn't even resemble a massage or rub or anything. Hands were rough as well. On flip wasn't much better. She did ask if I wanted to be happy and of course I said yes. Things went quick and we were done. Literally in and out the door in 25 minutes. What a waste. I would absolutely not recommend, unless you are looking for a. 70 he. If so, just tell her up front and don't waste your time on the body rub, will ruin your mood.
Nick Name Dan
02-16-10, 17:22
Last time I went to Osaka I left a couple ounces lighter, but not as satisfied as I used to be when I left.
I got the full bath and massage combo, but the finish was just with hands. I barely got to see any skin and the girl I was with did not want to have my finger in her snatch. LOL.
Oh how I wish it were the old brown sex machines from the past who would suck and fuck with no hesitations.
Cheesy Rider
02-16-10, 21:56
Saw Deborah, second time. Had seen her a couple of years back and not bad experience then. Pretty good actually. This time was totally different. Horrible attitude. Paid for hour and got abotu 20 min. Brushed her hands up and down my back for about 15 minutes, didn't even resemble a massage or rub or anything. Hands were rough as well. On flip wasn't much better. She did ask if I wanted to be happy and of course I said yes. Things went quick and we were done. Literally in and out the door in 25 minutes. What a waste. I would absolutely not recommend, unless you are looking for a. 70 he. If so, just tell her up front and don't waste your time on the body rub, will ruin your mood.
I saw her a few months back. She never did really make me feel welcome in her home. I was trying to be polite and respectful as I could and she was as cold and distant. Left happy, but would not repeat.
Anyone have any good experience here yet? I went one night and being uncertain about what was available, took a half hour. Once inside I was asked if I wanted to go for a full hour. Sensing it might be better, I agreed. I probably shouldn't have. What seemed like 15 minutes later, I was told that they had another customer who needed my masseuse, and had to leave with what they said was my half hour. The older Asian left her smock on, and there were no extras that I could tell. No shower, not much at all.
PM me if you want more info, or have more info share.
Go a decent massage about a month ago. No T/S available. I asked about sensual massge and was told to go to "other place".
Roadrunner17
02-18-10, 12:25
Go a decent massage about a month ago. No T/S available. I asked about sensual massge and was told to go to "other place".
I went to the AMP in the Outback plaza 2 to 3 weeks ago. I went there in the middle of the afternoon, met an Asian lady in her mid to late 30's. I aslo took the half hour massage and after about 20 minutes I was told it for your back side only. I dropped a few hints, and we flipped over. I think it is a legit place, but I got extras. I think the attendent is doing it on the side though, on the down low, because she told me to be as quiet as possible. The massage was good, but the rest was mediocre. I got out of there relieved for just little over $.
Mongers,
Seems quite a few of you have found and enjoyed Serenity Spa since my first post on it.
As an update, the only two girls that I know of currently that offer extras are Yu Yu and Andrea (used to go by Mimi).
After many trips, it seems a HJ with some play under the clothes is about the best I can get there.
I need something new. Around the same massage quality but with more on the menu (BBBJ preferred).
Any AMPs in Tampa someone can turn me on to that you've had good experiences with? PM me if you'd prefer
For those who have never tried it, the quest chat line is a good place to meet girls but it can be hit or miss depending on the time of day. The cost is about $150 for 600 minutes but you can find girls that will do about anything for 60-100. Easy to negotiate with as well with the chat line creating a safe barrier between providers and mongers.
Anyway, worth mentioning for those who have never tried.
Be safe all,
Deviant
As another update, had a session with Tracy yesterday, and she is on par with the
other two previously mentioned as far as overall experience. Give her a try if you are looking for some variety.
Be safe all,
Deviant
I have been visiting for work and needed some decompression time. I tried to go to Serenity but the girl said they had no attendants available. That is Spa speak for "You look like a cop"
I tried finding Green Spa. It came up as down near Dale Mabry and Kennedy so I headed South. I never found it, but did see the signs for Yokohama. I had not see any recent reviews here and thought I would see what happened.
Got a cute little, I think Japanese girl, for the show. Got a decent TS a good massage and a release. This was the quietest girl I have ever met at an AMP. I just could not get her to open up. I can usually get the laughing in a few minutes. The ending was ok, but the whole thing was pretty mechanical. .8 at the door .4 tip.
I am sure if I was a regular I could probably work on the rapport. I just prefer a little chatting when I got to one these places.
Member #5237
03-21-10, 16:49
I have been visiting for work and needed some decompression time. I tried to go to Serenity but the girl said they had no attendants available. That is Spa speak for "You look like a cop"
I tried finding Green Spa. It came up as down near Dale Mabry and Kennedy so I headed South. I never found it, but did see the signs for Yokohama. I had not see any recent reviews here and thought I would see what happened.
Got a cute little, I think Japanese girl, for the show. Got a decent TS a good massage and a release. This was the quietest girl I have ever met at an AMP. I just could not get her to open up. I can usually get the laughing in a few minutes. The ending was ok, but the whole thing was pretty mechanical. .8 at the door .4 tip.
I am sure if I was a regular I could probably work on the rapport. I just prefer a little chatting when I got to one these places.
Heading south on Dale Mabry just before you hit Kennedy, you will see North A St on the right side. There is some type of eating establishment on the corner (sandwich shop or restaurant). Turn right on to North A
and you will see Green Spa on the left side of the street. Their front door faces North A. Based on a previous report here, don`t expect more then a handshake.
Heading south on Dale Mabry just before you hit Kennedy, you will see North A St on the right side. There is some type of eating establishment on the corner (sandwich shop or restaurant). Turn right on to North A
and you will see Green Spa on the left side of the street. Their front door faces North A. Based on a previous report here, don`t expect more then a handshake.
I think that is where I made my mistake. I just checked what you wrote against Google and saw that I must have turned down North B street. I am actually fine with the handshake. I am old enough that I enjoy a good massage and table shower just as much as the other stuff..:) I do wish a BB or CBJ was on more menus more of the time.
I also wish they would change the order of things at these places. They should do TS first so you smell good and clean for the girl. Then the extras followed by the massage. Then I could get clean, be satisfied and take a nap during the massage.
I've been lurking on this site for a while now and have visited many MP's in the last year including serenity, oxygen, japaneese spa, magic, Osaka, Kenedy, Green and several others. I haven't posted previously because I had nothing new to add that other members had not already said. Until now.
I recently went to Violet Spa in Largo. It's a new spa on Walsingham a few stores down (in a strip mall) down from Publix. It's only been open a couple of weeks and overall pretty nice and clean. Walked in and a greeted by a 20 something receptionist who walked me back to the room. I got undressed, layed on the table and a 45ish Chinese lady walked in (decent looking), her name is Tina. Great massage overall. No signs of any extras but then we went to the 'wooden bath'. I was expecting more of a traditional table shower but this was literally a bath-tub with a chair like fixture in th end. She took the towel off me, looked at me and said 'nice'. I was then thinking that the fun was about to start. She scrubbed me pretty well but not the most sensitive areas and then had me stand to rinse. Again no signs of any extras. She dried me off with mini-me standing at attention inches from her face and she just smiled and kept on drying. She leads me back to the room and ask if I want 5 minutes more for free. I said yes! I anticipated a nice finish when she had me lay on my back and she took off the towel. But no luck. I gave a few hints but not too aggressive. Maybe I'll try one of the other girls there.
Overall, for the massage it was great. The wooden bath is small. I'm only 5'9" and felt crampt, so others may not even fit in at all.
Sorry for the long post, but this was my first and I wanted to make sure to provide usable information so you can make a more informed decision if you decide to go.
Happy Hunting,
The Nupe
Member #5237
04-01-10, 04:26
She leads me back to the room and ask if I want 5 minutes more for free. I said yes! I anticipated a nice finish when she had me lay on my back and she took off the towel. But no luck. I gave a few hints but not too aggressive. Maybe I'll try one of the other girls there.
Happy Hunting,
The Nupe
What kind of "hints" did you give? When I see someone new I always make physical contact with the girl during the TS such as touching her tits or ass. LE is not allowed to do this and as such once you have made the first move, she will be more comfortable with you and offer any extras that may be available. The fact that she made that "nice" comment and that she had a smile when your pecker was only inches from her face leads me to believe the menu can be expanded. If all of your "hints" were verbal that would explain why nothing was offered.
What kind of "hints" did you give? When I see someone new I always make physical contact with the girl during the TS such as touching her tits or ass. LE is not allowed to do this and as such once you have made the first move, she will be more comfortable with you and offer any extras that may be available. The fact that she made that "nice" comment and that she had a smile when your pecker was only inches from her face leads me to believe the menu can be expanded. If all of your "hints" were verbal that would explain why nothing was offered.
Im good then, because I cant help myself, I gotta touch.
What kind of "hints" did you give? When I see someone new I always make physical contact with the girl during the TS such as touching her tits or ass. LE is not allowed to do this and as such once you have made the first move, she will be more comfortable with you and offer any extras that may be available. The fact that she made that "nice" comment and that she had a smile when your pecker was only inches from her face leads me to believe the menu can be expanded. If all of your "hints" were verbal that would explain why nothing was offered.I touched her legs and said aren't you going to massage the rest of me. She just smiled and laughed but didn't go for it. I've never got signs and nothing happen before. What would a veteran do? I'm new to this scenario.
As another update, had a session with Tracy yesterday, and she is on par with the
other two previously mentioned as far as overall experience. Give her a try if you are looking for some variety.
Be safe all,
Deviant
Saw Tracy Monday. Cute girl. Very good massage and TS, lot's of personal attention. Allowed roaming and provided a nice ending. PM
Massagedealma
04-02-10, 14:54
I have been visiting for work and needed some decompression time. I tried to go to Serenity but the girl said they had no attendants available. That is Spa speak for "You look like a cop"
I tried finding Green Spa. It came up as down near Dale Mabry and Kennedy so I headed South. I never found it, but did see the signs for Yokohama. I had not see any recent reviews here and thought I would see what happened.
Got a cute little, I think Japanese girl, for the show. Got a decent TS a good massage and a release. This was the quietest girl I have ever met at an AMP. I just could not get her to open up. I can usually get the laughing in a few minutes. The ending was ok, but the whole thing was pretty mechanical.. 8 at the door. 4 tip.
I am sure if I was a regular I could probably work on the rapport. I just prefer a little chatting when I got to one these places.I travel and layover at hotels and do not have wheels.
Google maps shows Yokohama is close to my hotel. I will post my report in a couple of weeks.
Clinton Bush
04-02-10, 16:50
I've been lurking on this site for a while now and have visited many MP's in the last year including serenity, oxygen, japaneese spa, magic, Osaka, Kenedy, Green and several others. I haven't posted previously because I had nothing new to add that other members had not already said. Until now.
I recently went to Violet Spa in Largo. It's a new spa on Walsingham a few stores down (in a strip mall) down from Publix. It's only been open a couple of weeks and overall pretty nice and clean. Walked in and a greeted by a 20 something receptionist who walked me back to the room. I got undressed, layed on the table and a 45ish Chinese lady walked in (decent looking), her name is Tina. Great massage overall. No signs of any extras but then we went to the 'wooden bath'. I was expecting more of a traditional table shower but this was literally a bath-tub with a chair like fixture in th end. She took the towel off me, looked at me and said 'nice'. I was then thinking that the fun was about to start. She scrubbed me pretty well but not the most sensitive areas and then had me stand to rinse. Again no signs of any extras. She dried me off with mini-me standing at attention inches from her face and she just smiled and kept on drying. She leads me back to the room and ask if I want 5 minutes more for free. I said yes! I anticipated a nice finish when she had me lay on my back and she took off the towel. But no luck. I gave a few hints but not too aggressive. Maybe I'll try one of the other girls there.
Overall, for the massage it was great. The wooden bath is small. I'm only 5'9" and felt crampt, so others may not even fit in at all.
Sorry for the long post, but this was my first and I wanted to make sure to provide usable information so you can make a more informed decision if you decide to go.
Happy Hunting,
The Nupe
If you hold it out while she is cleaning it and lick your lips, tell her she is very pretty then she will get the hint. A little moaning and moving/arching to get Mr Happy near her hand while she rubs doesn't hurt either. BTW nice report.
I definitely agree with Speedracer. All of that can work, but to get the girl a little more comfortable (and if there is enough time), I usually offer to give the girl a massage first before she massages me.
Granted, it helps if you give good massages, but most women I ask are taken aback by the suggestion (and none have refused). Some may even get genuinely turned on if you touch them the right way. Grabbing at tits and asses will let them know you're in the mood for more, but they'll probably just be in the "get it over with as quickly as possible" mode instead of the "let me repay you for that great massage" mode.
As always, YMMV, but it's worth a shot.
I touched her legs and said aren't you going to massage the rest of me. She just smiled and laughed but didn't go for it. I've never got signs and nothing happen before. What would a veteran do? I'm new to this scenario.
Visited recently and was curious after reports of no extras. Greeted by a lady later introduced as the owner and she took me back to a room. I go 60 min for $. 70. A twentyish Chinese girl came in the room very tall maybe 5"9" not thin maybe a little thick but no fat. She asked what pressure I liked told her medium and she started what was an excellent massage. She let her hands roam when doing my legs and inner thighs touching the boys a little and I was thinking ok there are extras. Hot towel wipe down and then the flip.
Worked my upper body and then my legs and inner thighs and asked several times if I felt good. She seemed t be teasing me working aall around my stuff but not really touching them. I was touching her legs and she let me roam without protest. I was rubbing her butt and even between her legs. She was getting wet but she still would not grab the boys. After an hour of teasing and giggling she said time was up and asked if I wanted anymore time.
Again I thought ok here comes the extras. I said 30 more minutes and she proceeded to graze and tease and giggle but could not get her to do more than that. I was touching her freely the whole time.
Again time was up and I told her she was bad and she just giggled and said no YOU are bad boy. Hot towel wipe down and meet her up front where the other lady was. Thats when she said this is the owner and I gave her another $. 20 for the 30 minutes.
A really great massage but not sure what to think about a repeat. I was able to touch her every where and even went inside her pants a few times she just would not finish the job.
So I guess if you want a good massage I could recommend the place just very strange her letting me play with her but just teasing in return.
One bad thing is the walls are like paper and you can hear every word said in the adjoining rooms.
I am curious to hear of others experiences there.
Clinton Bush
04-02-10, 22:46
A really great massage but not sure what to think about a repeat. I was able to touch her every where and even went inside her pants a few times she just would not finish the job.Did you let the fingers meet Pussy Galore or was it just a butt grab? If FIV and she was wet and moaning, then I would think more is available.
John Certero
04-06-10, 14:37
Its been a little while since I've been able to get away for a massage. Finally had the chance a couple weeks back and headed to O2. Ruby I think she said her name was was my attendant this time. Younger then my last attendant there and pretty cute. She gave me a solid and completly unrushed massage which left me drained off all that pent up tension I'd been holding. I think I may have found my new favorite place. Simple but very good.
Longnstrong1
04-09-10, 17:50
Does anyone have experience with this young lady? She advertises daily on CL and shares an office with the guy up near USF (56th I believe??). I'd appreciate any insight from someone who's ventured up there and experienced her skills. PM is preferred.
Longnstrong1
04-09-10, 17:54
forgot the link in previous inquiry.
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/thp/1683815267.html
Mumbles1127
04-20-10, 14:24
Taking a new gig that is putting me in Tampa pretty regularly. Not see alot of reports about actual action from AMPs on Tampa side. Anyone have better info? Who to see? Donation levels? Cleanliness? Bang for Buck?
Feel free to check my posts in St. Louis and Philadelphia. Mostly Massage Thread posts.
Thanks for the info. PMs welcome.
Tampa Monger
04-20-10, 15:30
Taking a new gig that is putting me in Tampa pretty regularly. Not see alot of reports about actual action from AMPs on Tampa side. Anyone have better info? Who to see? Donation levels? Cleanliness? Bang for Buck?
Feel free to check my posts in St. Louis and Philadelphia. Mostly Massage Thread posts.
Thanks for the info. PMs welcome.Depends on what you like. If you like full service, I don't think there's much on offer in Tampa, although I'm no AMP expert. The good stuff is in St. Pete.
Rocknroll702
04-22-10, 01:12
My 3rd night in Tampa and since I haven't got much love from the Tampa boards....I decided to venture out on my own and see what I could find. I drove around this general area calling numbers of AMPs and asking if there were any young girls working. This one place said yes.
I pulled around back and walked through the front door. Ironically a semi-young (early 30's) Korean girl is at the door. I ask for a 1/2 hr and pay the house fee of .60. She takes me back to one of the rooms and asks me to undress.
I won't get into too much detail, but let's say that in this dream she served up everything on the menu.....for a tip of $.50. Afterward, she gave me a nice table shower and I was on my way. Then I woke up from my dream.
Would I come back again? Absolutely!
RR702
Guapo Marx
04-22-10, 17:43
http://tampa.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/gentle-senual-swedish-and-pampering-body-rubs-by-julie/3743552
This a new one.
Any word on her service?
PM me.
You forgot to mention where you were from in this post. You mentioned it in all your others.
You got everything on the menu at an AMP in Tampa for door and .5 . OK
Clinton Bush
04-23-10, 00:51
You forgot to mention where you were from in this post. You mentioned it in all your others.
You got everything on the menu at an AMP in Tampa for door and .5 . OK
Since .5 is a real deal and 1.5 would be a bit high for the local market unless you had Kobe Thai doing your massage. In any event, I'd like to know where as well and more importantly, did you think it was worth it?
You forgot to mention where you were from in this post. You mentioned it in all your others.
You got everything on the menu at an AMP in Tampa for door and .5 . OK
Pretty sure he meant 1.50 and if it's the place I think, I for one believe him...
Rocknroll702
04-23-10, 01:49
Since .5 is a real deal and 1.5 would be a bit high for the local market unless you had Kobe Thai doing your massage. In any event, I'd like to know where as well and more importantly, did you think it was worth it?
Where I'm from on these boards....$.50 means 150 George Washingtons......
Overpriced? Maybe.....but I got no love in the Escorts Forum....so I ventured out on my own. I could have been a jerk and not posted my exp here....
Tampa has been unfriendly so far on these boards.
Don't know why....I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary down here.
RR702
Clinton Bush
04-23-10, 10:11
Where I'm from on these boards....$.50 means 150 George Washingtons......
Overpriced? Maybe.....but I got no love in the Escorts Forum....so I ventured out on my own. I could have been a jerk and not posted my exp here....
Tampa has been unfriendly so far on these boards.
Don't know why....I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary down here.
RR702
May be due to a lot of us who like massages (me included) don't normally read the escorts forum since the price is generally higher and that is not what we are looking for. I wasn't trying to be a jerk by saying you overpaid. If you enjoyed it and were in need then it was worth it. I was just trying to let you know that 1.0 to 1.2 is the standard tip for "everything" here. I'd want to know the local rate if I was visiting your home town.
St Pete Amps have a little lower pricing and more selection - see the board there.
Cheers
CB
John Certero
04-23-10, 13:26
Was wanting to hit up o2 again the other night but I was too
Late. When I got there they looked like they were closed up.
So I decided to roll the dice a try a new place (new for me) that was open past midnight. Rolled down Kennedy and whipped into Japanese Spa. I didn't get the providers name. She was slender average looking if I had to guess age maybe early 40's. I don't like to be critical unless the service is really bad which it wasn't. However I did find the massage rather lackluster. I realize for some this isn't a big deal, but I likes me a good massage. I left happy but unfortunately I think I left a little too early. Looks like she had left some time on the clock. When I got back to my car and checked the time I realized I couldn't have been in there for more than 45 minutes. Maybe a different provider there would yield better results?
BTW does anyone know how late o2 is open? Week days and weekends? The last time I was there I forgot to check. I tried calling a couple of times but no one ever picked up.
Thanks
Rocknroll702
04-23-10, 17:15
May be due to a lot of us who like massages (me included) don't normally read the escorts forum since the price is generally higher and that is not what we are looking for. I wasn't trying to be a jerk by saying you overpaid. If you enjoyed it and were in need then it was worth it. I was just trying to let you know that 1.0 to 1.2 is the standard tip for "everything" here. I'd want to know the local rate if I was visiting your home town.
St Pete Amps have a little lower pricing and more selection - see the board there.
Cheers
CB
I now know I overpaid for the experience....but at least the quality of the extras was good. The massage was half-assed.....not much in terms of those skills.
I appreciate everyone's feedback. Will be happy to help anyone visiting Vegas.
RR702
I pulled around back and walked through the front door. Ironically a semi-young (early 30's) Korean girl is at the door.
This post is confusing to me.
You can't pull "around back" at Japanese Spa.
The girls are all late 40's, pushing 50.
And I doubt a 1st time customer got full service menu there as well.
Could this have been GREEN SPA? (Kennedy/Dale Mabry)
It would be more believable.
Rocknroll702
04-24-10, 00:56
This post is confusing to me.
You can't pull "around back" at Japanese Spa.
The girls are all late 40's, pushing 50.
And I doubt a 1st time customer got full service menu there as well.
Could this have been GREEN SPA? (Kennedy/Dale Mabry)
It would be more believable.
I don't know what the name of the spa is....I don't remember. All I remember is that the sign said it was a "Japanese" spa......parking was in the rear and you had to enter through the front door. The last 4 digits of the phone number on the sign at the front was 3343. It was ironic because it said "Japanese" on the sign and a Korean RA was the one who serviced me.
re: 1st time customer getting f/s.....this isn't my 1st rodeo. When she asked "if I've been there before"...I of course answered "yes".....every experienced AMP hobbyist knows to say that. If you don't, then you're a fool. Getting f/s is easy if you know how to approach it.
It's up to you whether or not you want to believe my dream...the intel is there...use it or lose it.
I swear...you Tampa guys are some of the most uptight people I've ever run across in the hobby.
RR702
Tampa Monger
04-24-10, 04:30
I swear...you Tampa guys are some of the most uptight people I've ever run across in the hobby.
There's a good reason for that. Unlike some other cities, the Tampa police love to destroy a good thing, and they read this very board to do so. You've never heard the tale of the Late Lamented Osaka Spa, but it's a tale of woe. The greatest AMP in Tampa Bay — hell, the greatest AMP I've heard of outside of Hawaii — was shut down and destroyed because of loose lips on this board, mine among them.
So that's why we're tight-lipped. Nothing personal, man.
Was wanting to hit up o2 again the other night but I was too
Late. When I got there they looked like they were closed up.
BTW does anyone know how late o2 is open? Week days and weekends? The last time I was there I forgot to check. I tried calling a couple of times but no one ever picked up.
Thanks
A couple months ago I ended up there after 2AM because it was the only place open.
This post is confusing to me.
You can't pull "around back" at Japanese Spa.
The girls are all late 40's, pushing 50.
And I doubt a 1st time customer got full service menu there as well.
Could this have been GREEN SPA? (Kennedy/Dale Mabry)
It would be more believable.
Seven * maybe?
Seven * maybe?
Could be.
Or, I was thinking.....since he said Kennedy/Dale Mabry,.....it could have been Oxygen. You can park in back and walk around front. And there MAY BE some old sign or marking from when Japanese Spa used to be located in that building.
Other possibilities in the immediate area are: Green Spa, 7 Star, Yokohama.
You can park in back at all of them.
But you definately can't park in back at Japanese Spa in its current location.
(No matter how uptight we are.)
If he knew the history at J-Spa he'd have a better understanding re full menu on 1st visit. ;)
The digits supplied do not match up anywhere. Address or phone.
But they are very similar to Japanese Spa address.
You guys are the Siskel and Ebert of whorehouse parking.
He was from Vegas. Where .5 means 1.5. And Im just guessing that a half hour means one hour because who goes to a AMP and gets full service and and table shower in a half hour? With no mention of a massage.
Rocknroll702
04-26-10, 22:45
You guys are the Siskel and Ebert of whorehouse parking.
He was from Vegas. Where .5 means 1.5. And Im just guessing that a half hour means one hour because who goes to a AMP and gets full service and and table shower in a half hour? With no mention of a massage.
I said it was $.50....where I'm from that means 150....remove the $ and only use .50 and that means 50....get it? That's how I've seen it done on other boards on USA, so it's not just Vegas. I've traveled to other cities/states and never had this problem before. House fee was .60....60 bones...think we're clear? Here's the link to the abbreviations page, it's the 1st item addressed:
http://usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897
Now to clarify the other ?'s about the location....I don't remember the name of the place, but if you drive down to that area, it's across the street from the BBQ place, I think it's called Jimbo's....you park in the rear and the entrance is in the front. The numbers I provided are the last 4 digits of the phone number that posted on the front of the building....I know this because I called before I went there and checked my phone before I posted the info.
And yes, I got everything on the menu and a table shower in 30 min.....didn't ask for the table shower, I took one before I went there.....but afterwards she offered it to me, so I said yes. I didn't mention a massage because she gave a 1/2 assed massage that wasn't worth talking about....I don't know if that's normal or not, but that's what happened in my dream, ok?
RR702
Dude, rest. You guys from Vegas are so uptight. Everyone here believes you. Two of our senior members are working out where you were the other night. Parking or not. Take it easy brother. Im just making light of your vacation.
Enjoy your time. Check out those escorts I PMed you about a couple nights ago.
I said it was $.50....where I'm from that means 150....remove the $ and only use .50 and that means 50....get it?
I get it, dude. I've been other places too, and I know the code.
That's not what's in question here,.....at least not by me.
We have a place named "Japanese Spa". It's in the area you referenced.
You can't park in back there.
There are no 30 year olds.
And the place is notorious for lousy service.
If you had gone there, your post would most likely be about how disappointed you were.
We're just trying to figure out where you really went.
Sounds like from the service and the parking it was Seven Star Spa there's also a backdoor that they usually let you in unless they weren't paying attention, but the phone # does not match, it's about a block and a half from Jimbo's BBQ, Japanese Spa is right on the corner of that block along with Endless Summer but the back of that buiding backs into the Honda dealership, so you would have had to park in the front.
If you care enough to look it up, you can goto google maps and type in the 4000 block of W Kennedy and see the street. Either way thanks for posting!
[QUOTE=Rocknroll702]Now to clarify the other? 's about the location. I don't remember the name of the place, but if you drive down to that area, it's across the street from the BBQ place, I think it's called Jimbo's. You park in the rear and the entrance is in the front. The numbers I provided are the last 4 digits of the phone number that posted on the front of the building. I know this because I called before I went there and checked my phone before I posted the info.
Four For 5
04-27-10, 12:30
I don't remember the name of the place, but if you drive down to that area, it's across the street from the BBQ place, I think it's called Jimbo's....
RR702
Ah ha!, he can't name the place he had the dream at, but he sure knows the name of the place where the pork is. ;)
Member #4167
04-27-10, 13:10
Ah ha!, he can't name the place he had the dream at, but he sure knows the name of the place where the pork is. ;)
There are some days, frankly, when I'd rather have some good barbecue. :)
Cheers,
DL
Ah ha!, he can't name the place he had the dream at, but he sure knows the name of the place where the pork is. ;)
What a deal. You either go where the pork is or you get porked. Can't beat that.
What a deal. You either go where the pork is or you get porked. Can't beat that.
Looks like it must be Uniform City...might have to check it out. :-)
Gold Spa, cute girl there, and the place on Gandy (4644 GANDY BL W) J Spa? It was an old Mama San there. As always see HCSO site for more details.
Have fun, but stay safe.
Originally, Arlo Guthrie wrote, "You can get anything you want in Alice's Body Spa."
Restaurant was just a euphamism. ;)
I was in the Carrollwood area of Tampa today and needed to turn around on Erlich Rd near Dale Mabrey. There used to be an AMP in the back of a strip mall on the southwest corner of Erlich and Mabrey but was closed insofar as I know. However, when I drove into the area to turn around I had to go to the side the AMP used to be on and saw a sign at the same place with "Aurora Spa" over the door. It was the only store front with cars in front of it. Maybe three cars were there. I would have stopped to TOFTT but didn't have the time. I have been unable to find information online this afternoon and the phone number I found online has a "disconnected" message. Has anyone heard anything about this AMP opening back up? I suppose it's possible that the cars were for folks from a new business getting it changed over but the sign looked pretty good for the length of time I thought the place has been closed.
Member #5237
05-01-10, 19:45
I was in the Carrollwood area of Tampa today and needed to turn around on Erlich Rd near Dale Mabrey. There used to be an AMP in the back of a strip mall on the southwest corner of Erlich and Mabrey but was closed insofar as I know. However, when I drove into the area to turn around I had to go to the side the AMP used to be on and saw a sign at the same place with "Aurora Spa" over the door. It was the only store front with cars in front of it. Maybe three cars were there. I would have stopped to TOFTT but didn't have the time. I have been unable to find information online this afternoon and the phone number I found online has a "disconnected" message. Has anyone heard anything about this AMP opening back up? I suppose it's possible that the cars were for folks from a new business getting it changed over but the sign looked pretty good for the length of time I thought the place has been closed.
Last time I drove by that location, I too drove around back to see what was there. Place was empty, looked like it was in the process of being dismantled. This was over 1 year ago.
Last time I drove by that location, I too drove around back to see what was there. Place was empty, looked like it was in the process of being dismantled. This was over 1 year ago.
The only cars there were parked right in front of the place so that is what made me think something might be going on there. Also, the sign looked pretty clean. I may be wrong but the last time I drove through there, there was no sign over the door.
Anyone, besides me, visited an asian named Helen?
She advertises at bodyworks.com. She is an attractive chinese gal 25-38 years old. Hard to tell her age. I got a good massage for $70 for one hour. No offers on her part or mine. Tipped $20. Total OTD $90. What did I do wrong? O.K. Admitally, I wasn't really all that horny today so I didn't come on at all. Is this typical for this massager? Are extras on the table? Or not? I would like to know others experience before I repeat.
Anyone, besides me, visited an asian named Helen?
She advertises at bodyworks.com. She is an attractive chinese gal 25-38 years old. Hard to tell her age. I got a good massage for $70 for one hour. No offers on her part or mine. Tipped $20. Total OTD $90. What did I do wrong? O.K. Admitally, I wasn't really all that horny today so I didn't come on at all. Is this typical for this massager? Are extras on the table? Or not? I would like to know others experience before I repeat.They won't offer the menu if you give them money anyways. If we all stuck to our guns we could get better service. If she is just gonna give you a massage then the 70 you are paying is already too much. Reg massage any other place it's about 30-40. Eventually, she'll ask for a tip and then you can see a menu.
Visited yesterday in the AM. Place has parking to the rear. Greeted by Lily at side entrance, 40 or 50 ish korean girl. Not ugly, but not great. I accidently banged up her hand in the narrow hallway. I was closing door to the bathroom when she was closing door to the room on opposite sides of hallway. She wailed and cried. Apparently she had a bruisid already to the exact spot.
Anyway, kind of killed my mood. She came back in a couple of minutes and assured me that she could do massagee. Since she already had my 80 bucks. I let her. Massage was average. She provided he. Tipped 30, but only because I felt bad about hurting her. Will not repeat there.
Still trying to hook up with Teri.
Clinton Bush
05-07-10, 08:56
I have not made the Tampa AMP rounds in a long time. Anyone know of any tall Asian girls working at the Tampa, St Pete or Orlando Amps? Not looking for midgets or tiny Vietnamese or Japanese girls. A very tall Asian AMP worker would do nicely.
Also does anyone know if more is available at Kennedy Spa. Back in the day when it was Bangkok Spa, it really lived up to it's name.
Thanks for any info.
They won't offer the menu if you give them money anyways. If we all stuck to our guns we could get better service. If she is just gonna give you a massage then the 70 you are paying is already too much. Reg massage any other place it's about 30-40. Eventually, she'll ask for a tip and then you can see a menu.
I'm not sure what places you are visiting where you can get a massage for 30-40 unless you are talking about legitimate masseuses with absolutely no other offerings. I've never been anywhere in the Tampa Bay area or any other place outside of FL where a visit to an AMP is less than .6 to go in, and that's for just 30 minutes. Insofar as not tipping, it is certainly discretionary. However, you can assure you will never receive any additional service at a particular AMP again if you do not tip if the service for nothing more than a massage is good. The house fee in AMPs goes 100% to the owner. The girls all work for tips only. Regardless of what you may have heard they do not get a cut of the house fee. Additionally, each has to pay a certain amount each week or each month to the house for food and other services such as laundry and a clean up person if they have one. Not tipping or under tipping should be reserved for those individuals who render particularly bad service, whether that service is a massage or something extra. It can also be effective for upsellers but if upselling is a permtted policy in an AMP then there will probably not be much in the future there anyway in the way of satisfactory service.
I'm not sure what places you are visiting where you can get a massage for 30-40 unless you are talking about legitimate masseuses with absolutely no other offerings. I've never been anywhere in the Tampa Bay area or any other place outside of FL where a visit to an AMP is less than .6 to go in, and that's for just 30 minutes. Insofar as not tipping, it is certainly discretionary. However, you can assure you will never receive any additional service at a particular AMP again if you do not tip if the service for nothing more than a massage is good. The house fee in AMPs goes 100% to the owner. The girls all work for tips only. Regardless of what you may have heard they do not get a cut of the house fee. Additionally, each has to pay a certain amount each week or each month to the house for food and other services such as laundry and a clean up person if they have one. Not tipping or under tipping should be reserved for those individuals who render particularly bad service, whether that service is a massage or something extra. It can also be effective for upsellers but if upselling is a permtted policy in an AMP then there will probably not be much in the future there anyway in the way of satisfactory service.I was referring to legit places. If they start feeling the pinch then they have to wonder why. That's when someone can mention they would pay more if things were a little better. If the girl is just that great at giving a massage then by all means tip away. If it's a regular massage, weak table shower where you have to clean yourself then no tip. I paid the high fee for the table shower already, I'm not tipping if they aren't going providing services that warrant it.
I have not made the Tampa AMP rounds in a long time. Anyone know of any tall Asian girls working at the Tampa, St Pete or Orlando Amps? Not looking for midgets or tiny Vietnamese or Japanese girls. A very tall Asian AMP worker would do nicely.
Also does anyone know if more is available at Kennedy Spa. Back in the day when it was Bangkok Spa, it really lived up to it's name.
Thanks for any info.
MiMi at Serenity was fairly tall compared to most. Decent massage and nice TS, good HE also, and roaming hands. I'll go back for more one of these days.
I'm not sure what places you are visiting where you can get a massage for 30-40 unless you are talking about legitimate masseuses with absolutely no other offerings.
I think that's what he meant - he referenced "reg massage" and suggested that Royboy was throwing money away tipping on a $70 fee after only getting a regular swedish-type massage.
On that subject, I enjoy a nice HE as much as anyone, but as between a great one-hour therapeutic massage and a one-hour crappy massage with the HE, I'll take the regular massage every time. The best of both worlds is hard to find, but when you do, she's a keeper.
Clinton Bush
05-07-10, 20:44
I'm not sure what places you are visiting where you can get a massage for 30-40
Buddies of Largo or the Maze at Playhouse Theater in Tampa. They will take care of his needs for 30-40. Report back and let us know how you enjoyed it.
Chase Star
05-08-10, 08:07
Roy,
In case you missed CB's sarcasm, DO NOT GO TO THE PLACES HE MENTIONED. They are for GAYS.
CB et al,
If you're going to give such tongue-in-cheek sarcastic advice, then maybe you should give at least a little warning such as a smiley :). or maybe a "NOT" added at the end. The sarcasm may seem obvious to you but doesn't necessarily come across so clearly in text, at least not always when the reader is totally unfamiliar with the places you referenced. BTW, I'm only guessing at your meaning because my bro, who owns a (legitimate) business in Drew Park, has told me about another Buddies located in that area and about what the place underneath the Playhouse has become when passing by those places.
IM2,
I'm not sure how you misread Larrycarn's post but for the most part I have to go with him on this. You raise a good point that it's not quite fair that the attendant should get nothing at all for her services. So from that perspective a tip is certainly in order for even so-so service. But, from another perspective, how is that really the customer's problem? Also, you said that if a guy does completely stiff a girl who refuses to offer anything beyond a straight massage, he's unlikely to ever get anything more from her when he goes back. Huh? If nothing at all was on the menu the first time, why would anyone even want to go back? With the hope that spending even more money for another overpriced massage session and then some heavy tip on top of that might get the girl to loosen up more? I don't think so. I'd say cut your losses.
Guys go to AMPs rightly or wrongly expecting at least some sort of HE. If it turns out no HE is on the menu at all, then they've already "been taken" even without adding on any tip. If that is the case, they definitely would have been better off just going for a decent massage with a completely legit and professional provider, which normally costs just $30-40, rather than going for what turned out to be most likely at best just a so-so massage and pay a $60-80 door fee to the AMP. Should they "punish" the attendant for that by not giving anything at all for her time and effort (as little as it might have been)? Probably not. The one who should really be punished is the AMP operators themselves for deliberately misleading guys into thinking something extra would be on the menu and for paying their employees so poorly (or really not paying at all). Unfortunately, they've already taken their cut right off the top, so it doesn't really matter much to them and the poor girl winds up holding the short end of the stick (ironically for not holding the short end of the stick).
Whether you decide to show some charity to the attendant or not, the best way to deal with AMP's that don't offer any extra services is to simply never go there again (and to warn other guys about the place here, as Roy did). That way, assuming enough other guys do the same, their business will drop and they'll either be forced to change or go out of business entirely (which is what they really deserve). Unfortunately, I suspect that there will usually be enough other guys like Roy, who do not know enough to do their research ahead of time, that will provide these places a steady enough stream of fresh suckers to stay in business.
First I want to thank CB for his recomendations. When money is tight, I now have a: fall back" position.
And thanks to everyone for their feedback and good info on the tip or not tip discussion.
I am pretty much on board with not tipping if I get bad service. However, I usually tip(habit) for good service. I think I got good service from Helen. She delivered as advertised. Good technique. Soothing music. Quality oils. Attractive. However, she never made an offer or asked for tip. After dressing, I offered the tip. Of course, she accepted it and gave me a light hug.
I did try to search her on the boards. Goggled her phone and address. Only the bodyworks ad came up.
Cheesy Rider
05-12-10, 14:42
Looks like it might have potenital when it opens.
Alice has yet to show up and open her shop. I'll try it out first chance I get.
I don’t want to get into a spitting match with anyone but I do want to clarify some things. First the title of this part of the forum is massage parlor reports and since it is on the USASexguide site it seemed fair to assume we were all talking about AMPs as opposed to legitimate masseuses. I therefore thought Larrycar was saying that a regular massage in a massage parlor could be had for 30-40, not that a legitmate massage could be had for 30-40. My apologies for misunderstanding that. However, the posts still seem to me as a casual observer to be mixing legitimate masseuse experiences with massage parlors and the door prices for the parlors are pretty well set.
Piratical, Larrycar may have referenced a “reg massage” but considering the place it was posted it would seem reg massage does not automatically refer to a legit masseuse. I do concede that a legitimate masseuse may provide a massage for roughly 40 but the chances of working that legit person into something more is not as likely as a lot of us on here would like to think. For those of us who have been successful in that quest, I can say by my experience I spent a lot more on massages to get to that point than I spent paying one house fee knowing more was available when I walked in.
CB, I’m unfamiliar with Buddies and I thought Playhouse Theater was an adult theater as opposed to a massage parlor. I concede there are a lot of places one can obtain both legit and extracurricular activities but I was under the impression, mistakenly perhaps, that we were talking about MPs. The bulk of MPs in the Bay area are AMPs and that’s what I was basing my comments on. Again, this was because of the location of the post on the site.
Chase Star, maybe we are both missing the point. The thread started out with post number 1562 by Royboy52. It appeared from his post he had made his first time visit to Asian Helen. I would not be the first person on the site to advise a relative newbie seeking advice, as Royboy52 appeared to be doing, that even highly experienced providers can be very careful and hesitant until they get to know you. They do that because they do not want to get into trouble. I don’t blame them. I don’t think I’m the first poster on here who had to make a second visit to get a HE or a third visit to get a full choice menu. Royboy52 was asking what he did wrong and I don’t think he did anything wrong. He just didn’t have provider trust on his first visit. He does not have to return if he doesn’t want to but if he does and finds more available it will be because some trust was developed by the provider.
The bottom line is RoyBoy52 went to a provider expecting a minimum HE. He paid the going rate of an AMP but didn’t get a HE. He clearly stated he was satisfied with the massage, enough to throw in another .2 tip. He then asked if he did anything wrong. I disagree, based on a fair amount of experience, with Larrycarn that “they won’t offer the menu if you give them money anyways.” They may not on that first visit but if the provider likes the hobbyist and the hobbyist likes the provider the chances are (at AMPs) that a second visit will find a little more trust. In the end however, to each their own.
If anyone wants to stop tipping they can. For an unknown newbie on his first attempt or first few attempts to follow that course he will soon have the reputation in the AMP community as someone providers should get in and get out because they are not going to make any money on him. As one who has been intimately involved at different times with providers from different AMPs I can tell you they share information about hobbyists.
If anyone wants to stop tipping they can. For an unknown newbie on his first attempt or first few attempts to follow that course he will soon have the reputation in the AMP community as someone providers should get in and get out because they are not going to make any money on him. As one who has been intimately involved at different times with providers from different AMPs I can tell you they share information about hobbyists.
Spot on advice!
Chase Star
05-13-10, 01:47
If anyone wants to stop tipping they can. For an unknown newbie on his first attempt or first few attempts to follow that course he will soon have the reputation in the AMP community as someone providers should get in and get out because they are not going to make any money on him. As one who has been intimately involved at different times with providers from different AMPs I can tell you they share information about hobbyists.
Spot on advice!First of all, I should emphasize that I never said one should necessarily never tip if they only get an overpriced regular massage. In fact, I asked and answered this rhetorical question. "Should they "punish" the attendant for that by not giving anything at all for her time and effort (as little as it might have been)? Probably not. The one who should really be punished is the AMP operators themselves for deliberately misleading guys into thinking something extra would be on the menu and for paying their employees so poorly (or really not paying at all)."
What I did say was that tipping the girl heavily for what is already an overpriced regular massage without a HE (given that real professional massages without a HE from trained and licensed therapists can be had for half the price) because you HOPE that eventually on a future visit you'll be able to get an overpriced HE from her, makes absolutely no sense at all to me. Maybe it does to you guys. Okay, I understand that there are guys like Roy who are really stuck on asian providers and the AMP's are about the only place you can usually find them around here. But the price for a HJ, CBJ or, if you're lucky and willing to pay enough, FS at an AMP is already higher than other local forms of P4P. And that is before factoring in all the rip-offs (or simple straight massages) that guys like Roy wind up going through before they find an AMP attendant that provides them a decent deal or the investment that guys like you are evidently willing to pay for 1-2 or more overpriced regular massages before you get a provider to loosen up enough to provide you that overpriced HE.
My point was not so much about stiffing anybody on any tip as it was that one should not even continue to provide business to establishments whose girls don't provide HE's at all or only provide HE's at a relatively high price or require you to make several visits paying for overpriced regular massages with no HE before finally allowing you to pay for an overpriced HE. The 1st time you go and get stuck w/o a HE, the modest tip you give to the attendant so that she is not left entirely holding the bag, could just be written off as part of your losses for TOFTT. But if you go keep going back to a place that didn't provide any extras (or any solid indication they ever would), then IMHO you're not just throwing away the tip you'd be expected to give at the end, you're foolishly throwing away the entire cost of the session.
Also, at worst, we weren't even really talking about habitual undertipping as you seem to suggest, but rather the occasional light tip (or for some guys no tip) when they get stuck with just a straight massage mixed in with other encounters there or elsewhere that end with more and they do tip much better. Presumably, not all their encounters, or even most, would end with so little and not deserve a decent tip or else they wouldn't keep going back to such places to try again.
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Any way, I agree about the part that providers share information about guys that walk into the MP with other providers at that MP. However, its not like you have to provide them with your real name and let them snap a picture of you before you walk out, so the shared intel would really only help them point you out to the other providers if you returned shortly to the same AMP. And even if the providers move around a bit between AMPs in the same area and you ran into one you had "stiffed" before at another AMP, how likely is it she'll really remember you out of the 100's of guys who have been in and out of those AMPs in the ensuing months?
I also agree that this would be spot on advice IF there were solid indications that provider would offer more on future visits or that maybe one of the other providers in the same shop would offer more than what you got from yours. It would also be spot on advice IF we were talking about a newbie doing this regularly at the same shop on multiple visits within a short time frame of each other, rather than a first-and-only-time visitor who has decided to cut his losses and never return to that particular shop. However, I'd also imagine there are many times where you walk into an unknown AMP ready to TOFTT (like Roy was doing here) and get the sense that this just ain't the place where any of the girls are ever going to offer very much beyond a very over-priced HJ if even that (or where their selection of women is so poor, that you really wouldn't be interested in it even if they did). In that case, you have no real intention of ever returning to that shop, or at least not any time soon, and it really doesn't matter all that much what your reputation from that one-time encounter is like at that one little shop.
First of all, I should emphasize that I never said one should necessarily never tip if they only get an overpriced regular massage.
Agreed. You did not say that. Larrycarn did, as is his right. My comments were intended, whether well written or not, to suggest for a newbie seeking advice here that not tipping for satisfactory service is not the best advice. It was not intended in any way a commentary about, against, or for tipping. It was about trying to help out a newbie asking what he did wrong. I do not think he did anything wrong, including the .2 tip. Based solely on his post, I would invest in a second visit IF he thinks it's worth it and IF he likes the individual who gave him the massage.
Member #5237
05-13-10, 12:49
Although most of us seek a massage with a ending that can be happy or extremely happy, it is still the RIGHT of the provider to offer whatever level of service that she is comfortable with. She is not obligated to have sex with you, she is not obligated to suck your dick, or even jerk you off so that you can cum all over her hand. She is not obligated to allow your hands to roam all over her body. Some of you may complain about getting nothing even though the provider posted an ad that could be very sexually suggestive. It`s called ADVERTISING! Her job is to get your business, and to get as much of your money as possible. It`s no different then a peep show, or some strip clubs where the women will lead you to believe that "anything is possible". Next time you go into a strip club, pay attention to all the guys who are being ignored by the girls. If they see a guy is not buying drinks for the other girls, and not getting private dances, they will ignore that guy. It`s the guy who is spending money who gets the attention, and they will keep giving you the attention as long as you are spending money on them, not because they think you are such a nice guy. And that "attention" can be anything from just talking to you and rubbing your leg, up to fucking you in a back room.
Chase Star
05-13-10, 17:46
IM,
I don't think we are so far apart on whether to tip and NOT take out the relative lack of service for the high price one paid at the door on the attendant who gets to see very little if any of that, as Larry seemed to be suggesting. I also certainly agree with Speed that it is always the woman's right to decide how far she is willing to go, whether it be a dancer or an AMP attendant or anyone else, and I don't think anyone here was ever suggesting anything else. Where I think I may differ with you guys is not on whether to tip or not but whether to keep going back or to keep on tipping, if you're not getting whatever you're hoping it will get you. That is the customer's right. There's an expression "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".
Yes, its a job or their business to make money off of guys any way they can, but some do it more honestly than others. Some do it by making the customer THINK they'll get WAY more than they actually will, but then not delivering. They operate on the principle that "there's a sucker born every minute". OTOH, there are others that actually deliver more or less just like they suggested they would. And they operate on the principle that "a satisfied customer is one that will keep coming back".
But however they do their various jobs, we also have a role to play as consumers and that is to get as much as possible or as much quality as possible for the least cost. And, since these various providers do vary in how much they'll provide, it behooves us to try to stick to the ones that actually deliver the highest quality service for the lowest possible price. And I think THAT is Larry's real point.
Most of the time, most of us around here accomplish that by trading knowledge as to which providers (AMPs, stripclub dancers, escorts, etc.) actually deliver quality or value. We then avoid the known rip-offs and seek out the ones we know are good. Occassionally, we'll take a CHANCE on a new provider or one that has not been reviewed on the hopes that we will discover a new resource with whom we can repeat (as Roy tried to do here). It can be a big risk, but if you want to try something new in this hobby that is just what you sometimes have to do.
Now if it turns out that new AMP or AMP attendant you just tried doesn't offer any extras or demands $$ for a CBJ or that dancer, who convinced you to take her in the back VIP for $150 on the vague promise of your being "fully satisfied", winds up only giving you a private lap dance and maybe a little FF, well you just have to write that off as a "gotcha moment" or a TOFTT. It just comes with the territory. If you're satisfied paying so much for so little, then by all means keep going back for more, but most of us expect and demand more for our hard-earned dollars.
Its one thing to tip the AMP attendant some token amount because she did at least give you some sort of massage and its not like the AMP itself is paying her for that. BUT Its another thing to go back and repeat with her because you expect the outcome to be any different the next time around. Sometimes it might be because the attendant just needed to feel more comfortable with you. But how long should that really take - 1 visit, 2 visits, 5? The reality is that there are plenty of places you can go where the attendant (or dancer at a strip club) will feel comfortable enough with you during your first visit. And the reality is if an attendant somehow suggests to you that more might be on the menu next time it MIGHT be true but it is AT LEAST as likely (and probably much more) that if she was really ever going to do anything with you she would have done it the first time and is really only stringing you along in the hopes that you'll have done several more sessions with her (possibly tipping more and more each time) before you finally figured out that it aint never gonna happen. Your odds are probably much better just starting from scratch with another provider, however unproven, than possibly throwing more good money after bad with a provided who has proven at least once that she won't do any extras. And even if you do eventually get that "wary" provider to open up, on your next visit (and I certainly wouldn't give her any more 2nd chances than that), you have to factor in the cost of all the sessions leading up to when she finally cracks on top of the cost of whatever sessions you do with her after that. So it can wind up being a lot more expensive way to get what you want.
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But lets look at Roy's particular experience.
He said he got a good massage for $70 for one hour. He tipped an additional $20 but that was probably to be decent about it rather than because he felt it was really worth $90 for just a regular massage. And I get the sense he would NOT go back just for the massage, because he wanted others to confirm something other than just a massage was available before he went back. Larry was definitely right in at least one thing he said. If all you're getting is a regular massage than it makes a LOT more sense to go to a regular provider (ie a legitimate LMT) where a really good professional massage costs just ~$40 (plus tip) rather than a place where you're already paying $70 before any tip for a massage from an untrained masseuse (even if she does a pretty good job for an amateur).
Roy also said he wasn't really all that horny that day so he didn't come on to her at all. Well then, I have to wonder why he chose that day to go to that provider. If all he was really looking for was a regular massage why didn't he go for a $40 massage somewhere else? And, even if he wasn't all that horny that day, if he went there with the idea that she might provide extras if not that day then on possible future visits, then the time to have probed to at least see what was possible was during that first session.
But even without Roy coming on to this gal, there should have been other clues. How was she dressed? Skirt, shorts or pants? Bare legs or panty hose that would make accessing her nether regions or even just bare skin more difficult? Was she wearing a sexy or at least somewhat sexy outfit that exposed at least some skin for him to possibly reach out and touch to start things off, or a boring full-body nurse type outfit? Since he didn't try to test her out by at least reaching back once or twice to stroke her legs or buttocks, did she at least do anything to make him think he could? Like "accidentally" let her bust or the side of her leg rub against him as she moved around the table? Was he partially clothed or "draped" or fully exposed the whole time of the massage? Did she ever "accidentally" or even purposefully touch his penis (a popular tactic of some)? When he turned over or she finished massaging his front did she even vaguely ask if there was anything/where else that he wanted her to "take care of"? And for those who favor the long drawn out campaigns, did she ever say anything to even suggest that maybe they could do something more the next time?
I'm guessing that the answers to most if not all of those questions are in the negative or Roy would have brought them up. And I'd imagine even you guys who think it would be worth going back to see a provider a second time, would at least expect some of those positive signs to be there the first time around or you wouldn't hold out any hope for the second time.
I'm sure some of you guys may still disagree but I think in Roy's particular case he's still barking up the wrong tree.
Was she wearing a sexy or at least somewhat sexy outfit that exposed at least some skin for him to possibly reach out and touch to start things off, or a boring full-body nurse type outfit? Since he didn't try to test her out by at least reaching back once or twice to stroke her legs or buttocks, did she at least do anything to make him think he could? Like "accidentally" let her bust or the side of her leg rub against him as she moved around the table? Was he partially clothed or "draped" or fully exposed the whole time of the massage? Did she ever "accidentally" or even purposefully touch his penis (a popular tactic of some)? When he turned over or she finished massaging his front did she even vaguely ask if there was anything/where else that he wanted her to "take care of"?
I must be hard up. This paragraph made me horny. LOL
Well done, Chase Star. You are right. No signals from Helen that more may be available. She was dressed in tight capris, high heels, and tight top. Sexy dress but not accessible for touching flesh. During the massage no "accidental" touching in the private areas. I wore my underpants and she covered me with a towel. No touching with her breast. No leaning close so I could smell and sense her close to me. No sexual inuendos. Nothing.
I will concede. I took one for the team.
However, she is cute. Some may even say pretty or beautiful. Very personable. A good massage. She even applied heated towels to my aching back. I am thinking to just telephone her and ask " Is more available"? Any thoughts on that? Actually, that would probably constitute "solicitation". Right?
Harley2007
05-14-10, 18:53
Well done, Chase Star. You are right. No signals from Helen that more may be available. She was dressed in tight capris, high heels, and tight top. Sexy dress but not accessible for touching flesh. During the massage no "accidental" touching in the private areas. I wore my underpants and she covered me with a towel. No touching with her breast. No leaning close so I could smell and sense her close to me. No sexual inuendos. Nothing.
I will concede. I took one for the team.
However, she is cute. Some may even say pretty or beautiful. Very personable. A good massage. She even applied heated towels to my aching back. I am thinking to just telephone her and ask " Is more available"? Any thoughts on that? Actually, that would probably constitute "solicitation". Right?Dude; I don't know which team you play for, but you DID NOT, take one for the team!
"I wore my underpants and she covered me with a towel"...WTF!!
Who in their right mind would keep their underwear on looking for "extras"?? Did you think she would make the first move and say: "Please remove your tidy whities big boy, so I can massage everything"
Keeping your panties on signaled to her you are: a.) either a prude; b.) Uncle Leo; or c.) you have something you're hiding in your shorts you don't want touched.
Either way you weren't going to get her to do anything outside the boundaries of a legit massage.
Just my .02 cents
HD2007
Thanks Harley2007! You are right! That is exactly where I went wrong! She left me alone in the room to undress. I didn't see a towel or any clothing left by her so I left my underpants on. I should have simply taken off my underpants and waited for her to come back in. Then. Up to her. I knew if I kept pondering this an answer would come! Thanks for all the good advice on the board!
Chase Star
05-15-10, 17:21
Harley,
Take it easy on my friend Roy. However he handled it, or okay in some ways mishandled it, at least HE was willing to take some chance with a completely unknown provider who for all he knew before going in MIGHT have provided extras. That chance ended up being a losing gamble, at least in terms of getting any extras. But, DESPITE THAT, he was willing to take his lumps reporting back to us the details of his encounter so that we all could learn what we could from it on whether to go with this provider ourselves.
I don't know how you define "Taking One For The Team", but in my book that is as close to being a textbook example as one can find. When was the last time you had a really disappointing encounter (which most of us have had from time to time if we've ever taken any chances on completely unknown providers) AND more importantly shared that with anyone here (after all what difference does it make to the team if you don't pass on what you found out)? I'm betting you never have. Before you do that yourself, you're not really in a position to lecture anyone else about TOFTT.
Okay, ROY made some real rookie mistakes. However, I can tell you from knowing Roy personally that he is FAR from being a complete rookie at this hobby, having logged more time playing this game in FOREIGN markets than probably 99% of you. He does seem to be a bit green at playing it closer to home, but then so are a lot of other guys who post on and/or read this forum. What that calls for is constructive criticism, not mockery, so that he can do the job better next time.
Chase Star
05-15-10, 17:26
Roy,
I can sorta understand where you're coming from with the undies. You didn't know whether she was a provider that only did legit massages or was open to anything else and for all you knew it MIGHT have been a sting (though I'd think that extremely unlikely), so you didn't want to go too far too early. I'm also sure there was an element of bashfulness involved. I know I always feel more awkward when I'm completely naked and the other person is fully clothed. HOWEVER, this was the time for BOLDNESS not bashfulness. Even a legit provider has seen naked bodies before. BTW, IMHO Harley's saying you were acting prudish is being rather harsh, as I'm sure lots of people (perhaps even most) leave their undies on when going for a LEGIT massage. But Harley is absolutely right that acting like one of those people is NOT the way to signal you're looking for something EXTRA.
And lets face it, we talk about the risks we take by going to these unknown providers but at least we can sometimes find reviews on some of them. But the risks are nearly always much much greater on the provider side. Reviews of hobbyists are virtually non-existent except perhaps for the girl-to-girl talk that goes on in shops after a guy has left (or sometimes even before if the girl steps out of the room for a moment) and then is only useful if the guy comes back. So, from the provider standpoint practically every customer, except for the repeats, is an unknown risk. Even worse, the risk of arrest by undercover LEO is much greater for them than being nabbed in a reverse sting is for us. So we usually HAVE to give them at least SOME indications we might be interested in extras to get the ball moving, rather than relying on them to take the chance in blindly making the first move every time.
So whenever they ask you to "get as comfortable as you like", unless all you really ONLY want is JUST a straight massage, toss modesty to the wind and get COMPLETELY naked. While some people leave their undies on for STRAIGHT massages from legit LMT's, PLENTY of people don't and you won't be showing to any LMT anything that they haven't seen before (though you'll probably still want to get face down on the table quickly rather than standing with your hands on your rotating hips, your pelvis thrust out doing twirling windmills with your pecker:)). You probably wouldn't want to do this when the nurse at your doctor's office asks you to roll up your sleeve so she can give you a shot, but when going for a massage it wouldn't be completely inappropriate and you certainly wouldn't get arrested for indecent exposure. Besides, thats the whole reason why they offer "draping", so that they can cover it back up (and move the towel around to expose various parts of your body as needed as the massage progresses). IMHE, its usually either/or and both leaving your undies on AND requesting a drape is sort of like wearing both pants and suspenders - kinda a bit over precautious.
Personally, I still think it is unlikely this provider would have done any extras EVEN IF Roy had gotten naked. Capri pants, while tight and sexy looking, are not exactly as inviting to reaching out and touching someone as say shorts or a skirt. And they are not so easily removed. Add to that the complete lack of any welcoming signals on her part, even rather safe and innocent ones, to start the "dance" where Roy could have added the next move suggests to me that this just wasn't that type of provider. Naturally, I could be completely wrong but that is just my take on it.
Lastly, regarding her calling her up. First of all, I think we can be very sure she's not a cop, so unless her phone or yours is tapped, even if you said something illegal, who's to know besides you and her. I seriously doubt you'd get arrested for it. Secondly, even if the phones were tapped, unless you're really stupid and specific, I seriously doubt you even could be charged with anything. Solicitation requires specifically offering money for sex. If you were to ask her in a vague way over the phone "Is "more" available?" and then left her to infer what "more" meant, how could anyone prove you were really talking about sex. OTOH, don't expect you'll get the answers you want. Most likely, she'll either tell you flat out no (in which case, mystery solved) or, not wanting to entrap herself either feign ignorance and ask YOU to be more specific over the phone (which gets dicey) or be vague herself in her answers with something unsatisfying like "well, we can talk about that when you get here". The time to have really asked to find out was when you were with her face-to-face the first time.
Chase Star
05-15-10, 17:54
Experiences like Roy's are probably not all that uncommon, so I thought it might be helpful for some to make a list of some of the sorts of things to do and/or look out for when going to an AMP to increase your liklihood of success. I know for most of the regular posters much of this is old hat, but it could help some of the newbies lurking out there. BTW, I'm FAR from being an expert on this area, so you guys with much more experience and expertise than me feel free to weigh in with critiques and/or additions you think are needed:
1) ADVANCE RESEARCH If you aren't prepared to risk TOFTT, then stick to AMPs that you've been to before and are proven or at least ones that have been reviewed. But if you feel you just HAVE to try out a new unknown place or provider, then it becomes even more critical to follow the rest of this list.
2) BEFORE YOU LEAVE HOME - SHOWER and otherwise make yourself presentable. This is a little less critical if you plan to get a table shower once there, but even then you don't want to show up in sweaty smelly clothes. No provider is going to like having to rub her hands all over the body of a stinky guy or one who doesn't take care of his hygiene. Similarly, you might want to brush your teeth before going, not that your mouth is directly involved in the massage, but having bad breath certainly won't add to a favorable impression (or lead to any DFK later if that's what you're into). Personally speaking I think this is probably FAR worse of a problem on the girls part, who often have kimchee breath (at least I hope its just kimchee) and DFK is usually not on MY menu of what I want to do with any AMP girl, YMMV.
3) BEFORE ENTERING Few if any AMPs or providers will actually steal from their customers, but why tempt fate? Don't bring any extra cash (or credit cards or jewelry) into the place then you need to pay the bill and what you might be prepared to tip. Also, if you bring your cellphone in with you, it might be a good idea to turn it off or put it on vibrate so if someone calls during your session it won't disrupt it (or anyone else's)
4) BEEN THERE, DONE THAT -When you enter the place, if or when they ask if you've ever been there before ALWAYS say you have. If they ask for details (like which attendant you were with) be vague - say it has been a while (unless you know the place just opened) and you don't remember her name (unless of course you HAD been there recently and DO remember her name). This provides them with greater assurance, albeit still imperfect, that you aren't a cop. Of course, this ruse does not work so well if we're talking about a private practitioner rather than an actual shop.
5) SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING BEFORE BUYING - Hopefully, you know the door rates from reading reviews or past visits, but if its one of those unreviewed situations where you're pretending to be a past customer just act like you forgot. However, it is usually $60 for a half hour or $80 for an hour around here. Perhaps the most important part about door rates or base fees is NEVER pay at the window WITHOUT seeing who will actually be giving you your massage. Some AMPs are very secretive about these things (usually because their attendants are all old or ugly). INSIST on seeing BEFORE paying any money. Sometimes they'll say the girl is busy with another customer (particularly a problem in smaller shops with limited attendants), in which case ask for HOW LONG and then decide whether you want to wait, come back or try again on another day. Figure they may underestimate how long the girl really has left with her other customer for fear of losing you and you walking out the door.
6) HOW A GIRL DRESSES CAN SAY A LOT ABOUT HER - Its not just about whether the attendant is pretty enough to spark your interest. Ideally she should also be dressed in a manner to at least suggest this is going to be more than just a massage. I've seen places where the girls all wear bikini tops and shorts or skirt (w/o hose), other places where they wear lingerie, other places wear they wear some sort of attendant uniform (like a maid or nurse style dress, again w/o hose). Of course, the sexier the outfit the less likely this will be just a therapeutic massage, but it is still no guarantee that it won't be just false advertising intended to make you THINK more will be on the table. At the very least they should be showing at least a little skin that you could conceivably reach out and touch (to send your signal of interest). IMHO, any form of long pants is not a very positive sign.
7) GETTING COMFORTABLE - Once you get in the room, the girl will usually ask for the house fee, assuming they haven't already taken your money at the door. Once you pay her, she'll usually ask you to get comfortable and then disappear for a while to get towels, hand the money in, get change or whatever. Sometimes this can take a few minutes. Personally, I'd find this time a bit awkward, standing around naked in a room at a strange place, wondering whether I'm gonna get the session I'm expecting or simply wondering what the heck is taking so long and whether all that time she seems to be taking getting back to me is going to count against the time I just paid for. Any way this is the part we were talking about before about being the time to toss modesty aside and get COMPLETELY naked. I can't say for anglo MPs, but I think you can be pretty sure that korean woman with the heavy accent is not undercover LEO and you're getting naked helps assure her that you aren't either
8 ) TO TABLE SHOWER OR NOT TO TABLE SHOWER - for many guys this is one of the best parts of going to an AMP. Even if you could take it or leave it, it has other advantages such as a) the girl will know you're fresh and clean before having to rub her hands all over your body and b) if there is any possibility of extras being on the table she will pay at least some attention to your private area and the degree to which she does will help you assess how open she might be to extras. The possible negative of going for the table shower is that it can eat into your massage and extras time, particularly if you only went for a half hour session (and at some places more delays that eat into your time while WAITING for them in the TS room). As I said before, at the very least, you want to shower shortly before going to the AMP or other provider, so that you're fresh and clean for her AND THEN TELL HER that you have if turning down the table shower.
9) VERBAL BANTER - what you say can be just as important as what you do. You may not want to come right out and say "Let's fuck" as soon as she somes into the room (then again maybe you would), but you can and should make some suggestive comments right from the beginning, like telling her not just how pretty she is, but how sexy she looks or how much you like her legs, or breast or butt. And even if your comments are completely innocuous (at least to start), you could lead in with some light conversation. I know some of these gals speak little english, but most can usually manage such hackneyed questions as "how long you in america?" "how long you here?" "You likey work here?" (okay maybe you wouldn't say it quite that way even though she might). While not necessarily directly opening up the topic of extras, at the very least it will help relax the situation for both of you, let her know you are interested in her as a person and allow her to see you as more than just a slab of meat on her massage table. Then you can work your "tits and ass compliments" in a little later as the massage gets underway. If you think time is getting short and things need to be sped up, at some point you may even want to get even more suggestive or explicit in your comments ("We sucky and fucky now?":)), but try to exercise judgment on how crass you can get based on what signals she's been putting out. In other words that last comment probably wouldn't be appropriate if she hasn't done anything to suggest she might be at all interested in that.
10) REACH OUT AND TOUCH SOMEONE - Hopefully she will have already started to send out signals from the beginning (e.g. by making extra sure your johnson was particularly clean during the table shower) but even if she hasn't it is never too early to start sending out signals of your own (e.g. reaching out to stroke her leg while you're still on your belly during the table shower). If it is at a regular masseuse or private practitioner (ie where a table shower isn't even on the table) and you do this, the worst that will happen is that you'll get politely rebuffed (in which case you might want to just settle in for a regular massage) or even more firmly rebuffed if you persist. But its not like with even regular legit masseuses they probably don't get regular come-ons, particularly if they're attractive and dressed even semi-sexily, so there's really little downside for at least trying.
It can get a little tricky doing some of this while lying on your belly. For example reaching backwards and upwards to touch their breast can be especially awkward. I find it helps to try and preposition your arms, although the masseuse may require you to keep your arms up or down depending on what part of the body she's trying to work.
For the most part, you may want to keep your arms down by your sides and as out towards the edges of the table as possible. That way you might start by simply letting your fingers touch her while she bumps against the side of the table. Then you might let your hands drift off the table to touch her legs or even ass if you can reach it.
The best time to play with her ass is actually when she moves around to the head of the table so she can do your neck and shoulders. If you've moved your arms up so that they're on either side of your head., it should be really easy to just reach forward and around to feel up her butt.
One other arm position to consider is if and when she actually gets up on the table with you (note this is something most LMT's don't normally have to do). The key here is not allow your arms to get trapped. So you might want to move them up to either side of your first and then as she settles down on your butt or lower legs, you can reach back to stroke her thighs, ass or lower legs. BTW, how much she settles down on to your body is another sign to look for. Does she only kneel on the table to your side or between your legs or does she really settle on your butt so you can feel her own ass and/or crotch squish down on yours? Actually, if she's only half-sitting on the table with the upper part of one leg and asscheek on the table with the other foot still on the floor, while leaning in to work your body, that would be a good time to reach back along the inner thigh of the leg on the table and toward her crotch. Piratical, did any of this turn you on? :)
11) PASSIVE MOVEMENTS YOU CAN MAKE - The last item was about things you can do to actively initiate suggestive contact. There are also some things you can do passively that will encourage suggestive contact on her part. For example, one thing that I can think of that you might want to try doing is, when lying down on the table, try leaving your dick pointing downward towards your feet and your legs partially spread so that your dick is at least partially exposed from behind. This might encourage or at least better enable her to touch it when she gets down to that part of your body. Then when she's working your legs, particularly the upper back or even inner thighs, try deliberately and obviously spreading your legs a little wider to encourage her to delve deeper. If she does delve deeper you might even also try lifting your pelvis off the table a little bit to encourage her to reach underneath and play with your dick a little bit.
12) INITIATE ACTIONS EARLY IN THE SESSION - It is important to start dropping your hints (or respond to the signals she started) as early in the session as possible. If the signals are strong enough, or you know from past direct experience or reviews, that more is on the menu and you're not much interested in the massage part you might even suggest the flip and "full-body" part yourself earlier in the session or even from the first get-go. But even if you're still just feeling each other out, you need to start sending the signals early in order to allow her sufficient time to act on it and not wind up with a rushed HJ in the final 2 minutes of your hour. And that might happen anyway, if you leave it to her to be completely in charge of the pace of the session. Plus, if its a matter of popping your load "too early", they'll nearly always do more massage after that if you want so you get your full hour's worth.
13) ALWAYS RESPECT HER LIMITS - this is somewhat like a dance. You probably don't want to start out by simply ramming your finger through her panties and into her pussy and saying "Let's fuck now". More likely, at least the first time you and her each drop some subtle and some not so subtle hints in a progressive manner.
See how she reacts to all of this. Does she respond with a gentle scolding, "no no no" and a finger wag? Not a great sign. Or by moving your hand back on the table? More of a mixed signal, as she just may want to finish doing the massage properly before moving on to other things. Or does she let you do what you want without any comment or maybe even smile and joke about it? Definitely much more positive.
If the latter is the case, you can try to get even more forward, like by letting your hand slip between their legs and up under the skirt to her pantied crotch (assuming she's wearing a skirt). If you discover she isn't wearing any panties, then you know you've really struck gold and you might even try for the FF, but usually they'll make you wait for later before they let you go that far (after all they don't want to give too much away for free).
OTOH, if its the former case, then its like Speedracer said. You just gotta accept your losses. And if the attendant is not making anything off of your mistake in going there, as IM said, then its not really fair to take your frustration out on her by not tipping her anything for time and effort.
14) TIPPING - at some point hopefully not too close to the end of your session, the attendant will ask you to flip over and will briefly massage your front. If that's all there is, that might be all there is. But if that's all she does then its time for you to force the issue by specifically asking her if she will do anything extra for you. Now, probably begins the next stage of the dance, with each of you more or less coyly saying what you have in mind. She may do something like stroke your upper thigh and lower belly while asking if there anywhere else that you need massaged or she might even actually start stroking your dick while asking what else you want. One way to approach it would to take her hand and move it to your dick, if she was dancing around that. Or you might use hand gestures to indicate what you have in mind (like moving your hand up and down towards your mouth to indicate a bj or sliding your index finger in and out of your partially clenched other hand to indicate fucking) or you might come right and say it. The latter can be a little dicey because you never can be sure what sort of monitoring devices and possibly recorders they might have hidden about the room. You also probably don't want to say it too loud because the walls can be pretty thin in those places. After that she may nod her head or otherwise indicate her possible willingness by asking you how much you're willing to pay or again using hand gestures to indicate how much she expects for what you just asked for (e.g. 1 finger might mean $100, 1 and 5 $150 or 2 fingers $200, etc.)
I gather that $120 on top of the $80 door fee is considered a good price around here for a CBJ and FS, but that price differs from shop to shop and region to region and I've heard of some girls asking MUCH more than that at some shops around town. You should find out (if possible) what an acceptable would be for where your going and what you expect to get so that you can avoid overpaying and screwing up the market for your fellow consumers. Maybe the others can give better advice here, but I think this comes down largely to how you feel comfortable handling it
15) COMING BACK -this is where I have a difference of opinion with some of the others. If you had a good session or at least you are happy with what you got and what you had to pay for it, then certainly you should consider repeating with that shop or provider. You can probably expect the same level or service (or possibly better) on your next visit. OTOH, if you did not get what you were hoping for, should you go back on the HOPE that it will be better the next time. If the provider flatly refused to do what everything you wanted her to do and gave no reason at all for you to expect that to change, then IMHO you'd be a fool to go back again and expect anything different. Sometimes the provider will tell you that the reason she wouldn't do certain things was because she didn't know you well enough and that if you come back maybe she'll do more. She MAY be telling the truth but IMHO it is just as likely if not more that is just a tactic to keep you coming back to spend more money and you'll never get much more than you already did. But even if it does take her longer to warm up to you, IMHO, she'd have to be really special to warrant that sort of investment because a) you still don't know how many visits it would take before she's ready to do what you want to do (if ever) and b) there are plenty of other providers who don't require multiple visits (and multiple session fees and tips) before they will open up to you.
Member #5237
05-15-10, 19:03
While some people leave their undies on for STRAIGHT massages from legit LMT's, PLENTY of people don't and you won't be showing to any LMT anything that they haven't seen before (though you'll probably still want to get face down on the table quickly rather than standing with your hands on your rotating hips, your pelvis thrust out doing twirling windmills with your pecker:)).
If I was getting a straight massage from a legit LMT, I would prefer to be bare ass naked. What would make me uncomfortable is if my flag pole was at full staff which I can guarentee would happen. Although I am sure the LMT has seen it happen many times before, I would still be embarrassed. With draping, it would be easier to keep the flag pool lowered. In all reality, it`s no different than when a womans nipples are erect, just with us it`s more noticeable.
Dallas7008
05-15-10, 19:03
I thought it might be helpful for some to make a list of some of the sorts of things to do and/or look out for when going to an AMP to increase your liklihood of success. Great job Chase.
This should be posted as a welcome letter to all those visiting this forum.
At least this message should be re-posted every couple of weeks for newbies.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Member #5237
05-15-10, 19:50
2) BEFORE YOU LEAVE HOME - SHOWER and otherwise make yourself presentable. This is a little less critical if you plan to get a table shower once there, but even then you don't want to show up in sweaty smelly clothes. No provider is going to like having to rub her hands all over the body of a stinky guy or one who doesn't take care of his hygiene.
5) SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING BEFORE BUYING - Hopefully, you know the door rates from reading reviews or past visits, but if its one of those unreviewed situations where you're pretending to be a past customer just act like you forgot. However, it is usually $60 for a half hour or $80 for an hour around here. Perhaps the most important part about door rates or base fees is NEVER pay at the window WITHOUT seeing who will actually be giving you your massage. Some AMPs are very secretive about these things (usually because their attendants are all old or ugly). INSIST on seeing BEFORE paying any money. Sometimes they'll say the girl is busy with another customer (particularly a problem in smaller shops with limited attendants), in which case ask for HOW LONG and then decide whether you want to wait, come back or try again on another day.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. ALWAYS go for the TS if it is offered. A few minutes "lost" in the shower can pay bigger dividends once back in the room and the provider knows you are clean. Even if you showered 1 hour earlier, if you are a smoker, you may stink of tobacco and not even realize it. Trust me when I say this, as a non-smoker, I can instantly smell the stench of tobacco on anyone who is close to me. If your provider is also a non-smoker, she is going to smell it also and it WILL affect your session.
#5......SEE BEFORE BUYING is where I always make a mistake. Almost always when going to a new place, I will "hope for the best" and pay up front. I would feel awkward asking for a line-up, then saying "I changed my mind, will be back another time". I look at it as if i`m saying, "no, you are too ugly, I dont want you". I wouldn`t be the first to walk away, but I would hate doing it.
As for the rest of this post by CHASE, all you newbies and those of you with limited expierence at AMPS, you need to print this post, keep a copy in your car, or wherever, and refer to it whenever you venture out for some fun. I have been going to AMPS for 30 years and I found this post to be the best ever written as far as what to do, not to do, what to expect, etc. As Karl Malden used to say, 'DON`T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT".
That does not sound good glad I do not know what it smells like.Mouth wash is given to you and taken by your massage girl before the ts begins in all the amps up here in amp heaven Warren Ohio.
Happy Mongering .
Chase Star
05-16-10, 21:32
I have said it before, and I will say it again. ALWAYS go for the TS if it is offered. ...
#5......SEE BEFORE BUYING is where I always make a mistake. ...I debated in my head which way to go on the table showers when I made my list and decided to leave a little wiggle room. I actually agree with you completely when it comes to full-hour sessions. What I had in mind when I made it optional was really just on the half hour sessions and I could have still gone either way on that.
With a full hour to work with, one should have plenty of time for the massage and the play time afterwards even if the table shower takes say 10 minutes off the beginnng of the session. And, like you said, the TS, in addition to being a pleasant experience for you, assures the attendant that you're fresh and clean and ready to get intimate with. So, in that circumstance the benefits far outweigh any possible cost.
Where I thought it could go more either way was on the shorter sessions. Between delays in your attendant coming back to your room, getting towels, getting the water running and warmed up, and god knows what else those girls sometimes do while you wind up waiting around, you can lose a fair portion of your half hour just with that, then you factor in the time it takes the girl to do a decent massage, at least 20 minutes, and the delay before she comes to the point of your visit and you may wind up with only a fairly rushed 3-5 minutes at the end for your sexual playtime. Put another way, if you do go for a half hour session AND you go for the table shower to start, then you better well be damn sure that you indicate you don't want her spending too much time on the back rub or you might never get to that HE.
Personally, while I haven't even really done that many AMP sessions in total, I've only really opted out of the TS twice. Both times were when I was going for a half hour session and I should add that both times were with a provider I had been with before. Also, as I indicated in my post, I made it a point of informing the girl at the time that I had just showered immediately before coming over (my hair was actually still damp). And since you brought it up I should also add that I'm a non-smoker. The girl didn't seem to mind too much. In fact, one time she even complimented me on how I smelled (I guess she liked the shampoo I use at home). Those are really an awful lot of caveats to consider before opting out of the TS, so perhaps I should have just said "go for the TS, no matter what".
As for the second part of your quote above, don't feel too badly. I've probably screwed up on each of these various items at one point or another in the course of my AMP education (and even continued to screw up from time to time on a couple even after I should have learned better), as I'm sure probably most of us have. That's why I don't think Roy should feel too badly about his experience. The point here is that we should all TRY to do as I say, and not as I do.
Clinton Bush
05-16-10, 22:50
I debated in my head which way to go on the table showers when I made my list and decided to leave a little wiggle room. I actually agree with you completely when it comes to full-hour sessions. What I had in mind when I made it optional was really just on the half hour sessions and I could have still gone either way on that.
With a full hour to work with, one should have plenty of time for the massage and the play time afterwards even if the table shower takes say 10 minutes off the beginnng of the session. And, like you said, the TS, in addition to being a pleasant experience for you, assures the attendant that you're fresh and clean and ready to get intimate with. So, in that circumstance the benefits far outweigh any possible cost.
Where I thought it could go more either way was on the shorter sessions. Between delays in your attendant coming back to your room, getting towels, getting the water running and warmed up, and god knows what else those girls sometimes do while you wind up waiting around, you can lose a fair portion of your half hour just with that, then you factor in the time it takes the girl to do a decent massage, at least 20 minutes, and the delay before she comes to the point of your visit and you may wind up with only a fairly rushed 3-5 minutes at the end for your sexual playtime. Put another way, if you do go for a half hour session AND you go for the table shower to start, then you better well be damn sure that you indicate you don't want her spending too much time on the back rub or you might never get to that HE.
Personally, while I haven't even really done that many AMP sessions in total, I've only really opted out of the TS twice. Both times were when I was going for a half hour session and I should add that both times were with a provider I had been with before. Also, as I indicated in my post, I made it a point of informing the girl at the time that I had just showered immediately before coming over (my hair was actually still damp). And since you brought it up I should also add that I'm a non-smoker. The girl didn't seem to mind too much. In fact, one time she even complimented me on how I smelled (I guess she liked the shampoo I use at home). Those are really an awful lot of caveats to consider before opting out of the TS, so perhaps I should have just said "go for the TS, no matter what".
As for the second part of your quote above, don't feel too badly. I've probably screwed up on each of these various items at one point or another in the course of my AMP education (and even continued to screw up from time to time on a couple even after I should have learned better), as I'm sure probably most of us have. That's why I don't think Roy should feel too badly about his experience. The point here is that we should all TRY to do as I say, and not as I do.
Unless she is drunk or on pills, no Korean woman is going to want to play with your junk, unless she cleans it before hand. It's not in their culture.
Member #5237
05-17-10, 01:07
Tonight I went to a AMP that I had never been to before, and as such, the attendent didn`t know me from a can of paint. After the flip in the TS, my attendent proceded to wash all those hard to reach places and I indicated to her how damn good that felt. Her response was a cute giggle. Fast forward to the end of the massage which included me rubbing her legs and ass alot, and sticking her still covered tits right in my face which I proceded to caress, she asked what else I wanted. I indicated a desire to see her verbal skills. Compensation was discussed, then finally agreed to. During her verbal history lesson, I asked her if she could get me a bowl of clam chowder. She promplty served me home made clam chowder, nice & warm, just the way I like it. As she was helping me get dressed, I asked if FS was available. She indicated "yes, only for you". LOL. Of course she is saying the same thing to others who may ask. My point in all this was that during the TS, she knew I would be clean, and she was aware of how much I. enjoyed her touching my flag pole. NEVER SKIP THE TS.
P.S.
Please don`t ask me to identify this location. Apparently her desire to "go the extra mile" is the exception, not the norm. Never know who may be reading this forum, possibly even her boss. I will leave it up to her to do her own advertising. I would feel horrible if her down fall had something to do with what I said.
Chase Star
05-17-10, 07:21
... My point in all this was that during the TS, she knew I would be clean, and she was aware of how much I. enjoyed her touching my flag pole. NEVER SKIP THE TS. ...I'm not saying you're wrong, however you're little anecdote really proves nothing. First of all, you don't know that she "ony went with you" because she cleaned you during the table shower because you NEVER tried her WITHOUT the table shower. For all you know, the end result might have wound up similarly without it (except in the case of the latter you would have had more time left in your half hour for either the massage or sexual play at the end). Maybe not but you can't really say without more research, trying it various ways with various providers. I'll even volunteer to help you with the research with the girls, provided we can get a government grant. :)
Secondly, there are other ways of making her aware of how much you enjoy her touching your flag pole. For example, I already mentioned past visits, body language when she massages near that region, guiding her hand there with your own and/or simply telling her that you'd like your FULL body massage now.
CB, granted I only have 2 instances to base my conclusions on, but I found a korean woman who did not appear to be drunk or on pills and whose culture did not prevent her from playing with my junk after I skipped the TS. And she did a convincing job or at least acting like she enjoyed it. Would the session have been even better if I had also gone for the TS? Perhaps, but then we'll never really know. BTW, I should add that the provider involved was a rather popular one from a formerly popular AMP. And I should also add that there are some places that don't even have the TS facilities or times due to high traffic that the one room they do have for that is occupied by another attendant and customer necessitating a few minute more wait which could eat in more seriously to your time if you've already opted only for the half hour session.
Again, I'm NOT saying you guys are absolutely wrong on any of this. As I said before when I made my original post I could have gone either way on that, but even then left in a lot of caveats. I'm only saying now that there may be SOME circumstances (rare though they may be) where the issue is at least more debatable. Perhaps, rather than debating the TS, we should be debating whether one should ever go for just the half hour session since it does make the session a lot more rushed (particularly with the TS) and you're normally only saving $20.
Harley2007
05-17-10, 12:31
[/QUOTE]Okay, ROY made some real rookie mistakes. However, I can tell you from knowing Roy personally that he is FAR from being a complete rookie at this hobby, having logged more time playing this game in FOREIGN markets than probably 99% of you. He does seem to be a bit green at playing it closer to home, but then so are a lot of other guys who post on and/or read this forum. What that calls for is constructive criticism, not mockery, so that he can do the job better next time.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough Chase Star, constructive criticism is a better teacher.
HD2007
Blueswalker
05-17-10, 12:32
In my humble opinion, a TS is always a good idea if it is offered.
To me, it is worth the extra $20 to go for the full hour with the TS.
I'm not saying you're wrong, however you're little anecdote really proves nothing. First of all, you don't know that she "ony went with you" because she cleaned you during the table shower because you NEVER tried her WITHOUT the table shower. For all you know, the end result might have wound up similarly without it (except in the case of the latter you would have had more time left in your half hour for either the massage or sexual play at the end). Maybe not but you can't really say without more research, trying it various ways with various providers. I'll even volunteer to help you with the research with the girls, provided we can get a government grant. :)
Secondly, there are other ways of making her aware of how much you enjoy her touching your flag pole. For example, I already mentioned past visits, body language when she massages near that region, guiding her hand there with your own and/or simply telling her that you'd like your FULL body massage now.
CB, granted I only have 2 instances to base my conclusions on, but I found a korean woman who did not appear to be drunk or on pills and whose culture did not prevent her from playing with my junk after I skipped the TS. And she did a convincing job or at least acting like she enjoyed it. Would the session have been even better if I had also gone for the TS? Perhaps, but then we'll never really know. BTW, I should add that the provider involved was a rather popular one from a formerly popular AMP. And I should also add that there are some places that don't even have the TS facilities or times due to high traffic that the one room they do have for that is occupied by another attendant and customer necessitating a few minute more wait which could eat in more seriously to your time if you've already opted only for the half hour session.
Again, I'm NOT saying you guys are absolutely wrong on any of this. As I said before when I made my original post I could have gone either way on that, but even then left in a lot of caveats. I'm only saying now that there may be SOME circumstances (rare though they may be) where the issue is at least more debatable. Perhaps, rather than debating the TS, we should be debating whether one should ever go for just the half hour session since it does make the session a lot more rushed (particularly with the TS) and you're normally only saving $20.
Harley2007
05-17-10, 12:48
Dude; I don't know which team you play for, but you DID NOT, take one for the team!
"I wore my underpants and she covered me with a towel"...WTF!!
Who in their right mind would keep their underwear on looking for "extras"?? Did you think she would make the first move and say: "Please remove your tidy whities big boy, so I can massage everything"
Keeping your panties on signaled to her you are: a.) either a prude; b.) Uncle Leo; or c.) you have something you're hiding in your shorts you don't want touched.
Either way you weren't going to get her to do anything outside the boundaries of a legit massage.
Just my .02 cents
HD2007I was a bit harsh, Royboy. Chase Star made some goods points. I went back and read some of your posting and came to the conclusion that we all have different writing styles. This board is for exchanging information, not sarcastic criticism, which was my mood at the time.
Be safe,
HD2007
Seffner Monger
05-18-10, 07:35
Was driving down State Road 60 in Brandon yesterday and saw that Bodysage Spa is gone. Another Chinese AMP that provides no extras goes out of business.
Maybe these places have to learn the hard way that "massagie only" isn't good for business!
Clinton Bush
05-18-10, 08:52
Was driving down State Road 60 in Brandon yesterday and saw that Bodysage Spa is gone. Another Chinese AMP that provides no extras goes out of business.
Maybe these places have to learn the hard way that "massagie only" isn't good for business!
Was driving down State Road 60 in Brandon yesterday and saw that Bodysage Spa is gone. Another Chinese AMP that provides no extras goes out of business.
Maybe these places have to learn the hard way that "massagie only" isn't good for business!
Tell me I'm wrong when I say any Chinese AMPs that close will not be missed
These are general experiences based on many many discussions with friends.
AMPs staffed by Koreans or Thais are always trying to offer a great time. Other than the odd bad session from the newbie just off the boat these woman really understand the art of relaxation and know how to treat a man well. They are genuinely sweet girls who try to make the sessions fun as they are always look to develop repeat business.
Chinese or Japanese AMPs are all in it for the money. Kaching! Kaching! It is like visiting a slot machine with legs - keep putting more money in and maybe you can put something else in the slot. They are clinical and mechanical with the single mission of making as much as they can while your little head is in charge. They don't care if you ever come back as long as they leave your wallet drained. They have absolutely no thoughts towards any repeat business as they will rotate out to another city and repeat in a month or so.
I haven't seen enough Filipina or Vietnamese to fully categorize but those I have seen fell somewhere in the middle.
Your thoughts and experiences with Asian girls?
Seffner Monger
05-18-10, 09:06
Tell me I'm wrong when I say any Chinese AMPs that close will not be missed
These are general experiences based on many many discussions with friends.
AMPs staffed by Koreans or Thais are always trying to offer a great time. Other than the odd bad session from the newbie just off the boat these woman really understand the art of relaxation and know how to treat a man well. They are genuinely sweet girls who try to make the sessions fun as they are always look to develop repeat business.
Chinese or Japanese AMPs are all in it for the money. Kaching! Kaching! It is like visiting a slot machine with legs - keep putting more money in and maybe you can put something else in the slot. They are clinical and mechanical with the single mission of making as much as they can while your little head is in charge. They don't care if you ever come back as long as they leave your wallet drained. They have absolutely no thoughts towards any repeat business as they will rotate out to another city and repeat in a month or so.
I haven't seen enough Filipina or Vietnamese to fully categorize but those I have seen fell somewhere in the middle.
Your thoughts and experiences with Asian girls?
So how does one tell a Korean AMP from one that's Japanese or Chinese or Thai? I just happened to know that Bodysage was Chinese, but is there a way to tell right off the bat? Maybe all we members could combine our knowledge on a list.
So how does one tell a Korean AMP from one that's Japanese or Chinese or Thai? I just happened to know that Bodysage was Chinese, but is there a way to tell right off the bat? Maybe all we members could combine our knowledge on a list.
For me, Chinese and Korean languages are very easy to tell apart. I've never come across an AMP in the US that wasn't run by one or the other. I have a much tougher time differentiating Korean and Japanese languages, but usually the girls will tell you if they're Korean, etc. I have met actual providers in AMPs that were not Korean or Chinese, occasionally running across girls with Thai, Japanese, or other backgrounds. Thai is also very different language wise from Chinese and Korean/Japanese.
You can, to some extent, go by looks. Northern Asians tend to be darker (and taller), but there are no absolutes there. Also Thais that are in the game are usually much darker since they almost always come from the NE part of Thailand that borders Laos. Most of the Thai restaurants run in our area are owned by people from Laos or Hmongs. Koreans tend to be stockier, on average, than Chinese. Chinese tend to be less obsessed with make up and vanity than Koreans. Also, if Mamasan is cooking Korean food or eating kimchee they are almost definitely Korean.
Still, the best way is to ask, although you will sometimes be lied to, especially if they don't trust you.
Or, if you get extras, they're Korean, if you go home with blue balls, they're Chinese.
Tell me I'm wrong when I say any Chinese AMPs that close will not be missed
These are general experiences based on many many discussions with friends.
AMPs staffed by Koreans or Thais are always trying to offer a great time. Other than the odd bad session from the newbie just off the boat these woman really understand the art of relaxation and know how to treat a man well. They are genuinely sweet girls who try to make the sessions fun as they are always look to develop repeat business.
Chinese or Japanese AMPs are all in it for the money. Kaching! Kaching! It is like visiting a slot machine with legs - keep putting more money in and maybe you can put something else in the slot. They are clinical and mechanical with the single mission of making as much as they can while your little head is in charge. They don't care if you ever come back as long as they leave your wallet drained. They have absolutely no thoughts towards any repeat business as they will rotate out to another city and repeat in a month or so.
I haven't seen enough Filipina or Vietnamese to fully categorize but those I have seen fell somewhere in the middle.
Your thoughts and experiences with Asian girls?Vietnamese women are bitches. Just ask my wife. Lol.
Chase Star
05-18-10, 11:51
So how does one tell a Korean AMP from one that's Japanese or Chinese or Thai? I just happened to know that Bodysage was Chinese, but is there a way to tell right off the bat? Maybe all we members could combine our knowledge on a list.Also, IMHE, Koreans TEND to have a squarer jaw line and a flatter face than other Asian peoples
See my recent report in the st Pete amp forum. Ts was out of order and that in no way limited the menu but this is not the rule. I once made this same rookie mistake at the famous CEO spa in San Francisco and it resulted in no extras. At the very least If you refuse the ts make it clear you just showered. But really why skip the ts?
Unless she is drunk or on pills, no Korean woman is going to want to play with your junk, unless she cleans it before hand. It's not in their culture.
Tampa Monger
05-19-10, 13:24
So how does one tell a Korean AMP from one that's Japanese or Chinese or Thai? I just happened to know that Bodysage was Chinese, but is there a way to tell right off the bat? Maybe all we members could combine our knowledge on a list.
Hard to do based just on appearance. As for me, I speak a tiny bit of Korean (even though I'm not Asian), so I can recognize the language pretty easily. Usually the girls will talk to each other a little bit, and I'll know immediately if they are speaking Korean. Most of the time I have no idea what they're saying, unfortunately.
In fact, Korean is absolutely the easiest to recognize, even if you don't speak a word of it. Most East Asian languages are tonal with short one- or two-syllable words. Chinese, for instance. These languages are very difficult to tell apart unless you are fluent.
Korean is not like this at all. It has no tones and has long words. In Korean, the verb goes at the end of the sentence instead of in the middle as in English, and you will often here oyo or mnida at the end of a sentence, as these are common verb endings, e.g., ilgoyo / iksumnida, both of which mean "is reading", as in hanguk saramun iksumnida "The Korean person is reading."
Clinton Bush
05-19-10, 19:59
Hard to do based just on appearance. As for me, I speak a tiny bit of Korean (even though I'm not Asian), so I can recognize the language pretty easily. Usually the girls will talk to each other a little bit, and I'll know immediately if they are speaking Korean. Most of the time I have no idea what they're saying, unfortunately.
In fact, Korean is absolutely the easiest to recognize, even if you don't speak a word of it. Most East Asian languages are tonal with short one- or two-syllable words. Chinese, for instance. These languages are very difficult to tell apart unless you are fluent.
Korean is not like this at all. It has no tones and has long words. In Korean, the verb goes at the end of the sentence instead of in the middle as in English, and you will often here oyo or mnida at the end of a sentence, as these are common verb endings, e.g., ilgoyo / iksumnida, both of which mean "is reading", as in hanguk saramun iksumnida "The Korean person is reading."
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While in town for a bit, I thought I would partake to prepare for the drive back to NM in a few days.
I guess it's MommaSan who answered the door around 7PM - shorter, older, chubbier woman. TS (I never say no to those!) felt a bit rushed and adequate but playful. In the room, she asked how I wanted it. I chose "medium". She was right on the money and did a little walking as well.
It was a long road trip so the massage quality was important to me. She didn't disappoint with that at all. Hit all the pressure points - she did me right. Even those tendons in the upper inner thigh area that always seem to be overlooked by most.
The standard HE was a bit mechanical, loose and a little too much lube and after 5 minutes she had her first "C'mon honey" moment w/out missing a beat. But we got thru it without incident. I'll avoid the specifics but it worked out OK - no problem but definitely not the highlight of the visit.
I'll go back to her if only for the massage - it really clicked for me. She was ready for the .30 that I pulled out of my pocket but I upped it to .40 because of the rub. Door with TS is .80 . I only saw one other girl walking around when I walked in - taller, younger, cuter with long hair - but the parking was full.
Wlaked into O2 around 11PM last nite and gave the .80 door fee at the teller window to an average looking girl who seemed very distracted by something else.
The door opens and up the stairs I go with a cute little thing - Sunny. Into the room and she directs me to the clothes hooks. She comes back and tells me to lay down. "What? No TS???" With a smile she says, "You want TS?" - "Absolutely!"
Decent TS and she certainly made sure the naughty-bits were squeeky clean. On the table, a "medium" was the request and she gave me a good one. She had a few of the good moves that an old Japanese provider back in Vegas used to incorporate during her 3 hour rubs - very nice stuff.
Before the flip, she did a lot of tease and play from behind and there weren't any of those moments of tension where you wonder just how far she thinks you want her to "explore". No exploration - just a nice soft & playful taint-tease.
No hesitation at the end. She just continued on with HE but offered oil, lotion or none. Started with none - she had such nice soft "knowing" hands - and finished with just the right amount of lotion. Free roam but only over the one piece short dress/shorts combo type outfit. A couple of items were at attention and things seemed to be warm & moist. Interesting to be under the clamshells but over the cloth on top.
The pair of Jacks after she & I dressed myself earned me a smiling kiss on the cheek.
Definitely an A+ for Sunny & O2 regarding the standards.
After 4 years in southern NM (after 25 in Vegas), I sure do miss the AMPS/AAMPS and you folks have some good ones here.
The sign on the door said "Close: 2AM" so I didn't think anything of the time being 11PM. Around the back I go to find a "Will return at 10:30" sign on the counter. ?
After a minute or so, a snarly looking, maybe 30ish Asian girl comes to the counter with an expression on her face like I just interrupted her favorite daytime soap.
She then actually put on a disgusted look and said with much hesitation & dispair in her voice: "You want massage?". She looked at me as if I hadn't seen a shower in 2 weeks and just crawled out of a cardboard box under the bridge. Strange way to greet a clean-shaven, decent looking guy with fresh clean clothes, I thought, so...
I replied "I did but not after seeing your attitude. I'll take my money somewhere else. There are too many other places around here that want business." and quickly walked out.
I won't be back to that place... actually I won't be back to any of them, being I'm 1800 miles from home! Haha.
I zipped over to O2 and Cindy greeted me and explained I need to wait 10 minutes. No problem. When she came back to the room I was waiting in, she was gushing with apology along with a big long hug and cheek kisses "I give you good massage, honey - I sorry you wait so long - I take care of you". OK...
Relaxing TS, adequate rub that did get a crack or two out of the lower spine (a plus for me). A bit too much lotion at the end but eager & enthusiastic. At one point, I thought she was about to sing into the mike as part of her apology but no-go. I didn't push the issue or request a tune (it might be a possibility?) but the image of her open lips being only inches away was nice.
Cindy's a bit of a thick gal but not at all in an unattractive way and very cute & smiley. I must've been making too much noise - she made sure my mouth was filled with a nice, little but extended pacifier and my fingers and hands were in no danger of getting cold.
On the way to the TS, I had asked if Sunny was off today. She said she was busy. I explained no problem - I saw her last nite and was just being friendly.
A few minutes after Cindy started her rub, Sunny pops in to say hello and chat a bit. While she was kneeling & stroking my head she explained to Cindy that I told her the reason for my longer than average chin whiskers was that it tickles the girls in those special places, they both laughed and "Ahh"ed their way thru it with big smiles. She left after a few minutes but the thought of a 4-hander was a strong one.
Cindy: Attractive girl, good TS, average to good rub, and a good, reliable HE. .8 door + .4 always seems to put a pair of smiles in the room after a no-rush scenario.
O2 does seem to be a winner for this weary road warrior. I might have to have a "Bye-bye" visit on my way out of town as well! Good quality AMP - you Tampa guys are lucky!
Clinton Bush
05-22-10, 12:08
The sign on the door said "Close: 2AM" so I didn't think anything of the time being 11PM. Around the back I go to find a "Will return at 10:30" sign on the counter. ?
After a minute or so, a snarly looking, maybe 30ish Asian girl comes to the counter with an expression on her face like I just interrupted her favorite daytime soap.
She then actually put on a disgusted look and said with much hesitation & dispair in her voice: "You want massage?". She looked at me as if I hadn't seen a shower in 2 weeks and just crawled out of a cardboard box under the bridge. Strange way to greet a clean-shaven, decent looking guy with fresh clean clothes, I thought, so...
I replied "I did but not after seeing your attitude. I'll take my money somewhere else. There are too many other places around here that want business." and quickly walked out.
I won't be back to that place... actually I won't be back to any of them, being I'm 1800 miles from home! Haha.
I zipped over to O2 and Cindy greeted me and explained I need to wait 10 minutes. No problem. When she came back to the room I was waiting in, she was gushing with apology along with a big long hug and cheek kisses "I give you good massage, honey - I sorry you wait so long - I take care of you". OK...
Relaxing TS, adequate rub that did get a crack or two out of the lower spine (a plus for me). A bit too much lotion at the end but eager & enthusiastic. At one point, I thought she was about to sing into the mike as part of her apology but no-go. I didn't push the issue or request a tune (it might be a possibility?) but the image of her open lips being only inches away was nice.
Cindy's a bit of a thick gal but not at all in an unattractive way and very cute & smiley. I must've been making too much noise - she made sure my mouth was filled with a nice, little but extended pacifier and my fingers and hands were in no danger of getting cold.
On the way to the TS, I had asked if Sunny was off today. She said she was busy. I explained no problem - I saw her last nite and was just being friendly.
A few minutes after Cindy started her rub, Sunny pops in to say hello and chat a bit. While she was kneeling & stroking my head she explained to Cindy that I told her the reason for my longer than average chin whiskers was that it tickles the girls in those special places, they both laughed and "Ahh"ed their way thru it with big smiles. She left after a few minutes but the thought of a 4-hander was a strong one.
Cindy: Attractive girl, good TS, average to good rub, and a good, reliable HE. .8 door + .4 always seems to put a pair of smiles in the room after a no-rush scenario.
O2 does seem to be a winner for this weary road warrior. I might have to have a "Bye-bye" visit on my way out of town as well! Good quality AMP - you Tampa guys are lucky!
You did right to walk from Yokohama and tell the snarly biatch why you did so. Sounds like you have quite a find in O2. If you plan a 4 hand massage for your finale in Tampa you will go out with a BANG! (BIG BANG theory).
Have fun!
You did right to walk from Yokohama and tell the snarly biatch why you did so. Sounds like you have quite a find in O2. If you plan a 4 hand massage for your finale in Tampa you will go out with a BANG! (BIG BANG theory).
Have fun!
That Yokohama thing pretty much shocked me. I've never had anything like that happen to me before but I've heard worse stories from other mongers in other cities.
I was going to try and catch one more act at O2 tonite but those last minute chores before morning checkout always slow you down.
And if I do skip out too early for another run at it - thanks to all you fellow mongers here in Tampa and your great reports. It made it easy for an out stater to "relax" without any real woes.
Went back to Gold on Westshore. I havn't been there since the bust and the place was great when it was Sun.
Door fee what I'm used to.
Drew BoBo cute girl, older than I'm used to but still hot and tiny.
TS was good, massage was great and the pedicure was good.
On flip she asked what I wanted left. I put $.2 on the stand. She came back and said baby, not enough. Told her that was it and she went to work.
I guess $$ only get you 69 CBJ.
Nice place and nice girl but will not be back until prices get more in line. (Hope they are reading this)
Better places with hotter and younger providers out there for much cheaper.
Not Jokin
Be safe
Tampahunter
06-02-10, 19:58
We here in Tampa just don't know how bad the AMP scene is here. Was up in Warren Ohio over weekend and was floored by the number and quality of places. $40 for the hour with TS and massage. Two cups for $100, BJ and CG with a hot asian who is enthusiastic, gotta love it.
Oh well, we had good for a while.
Also known as Amp Heaven. Glad to read you hooked up with Lisa the Queen of Amp Heaven. Every Amp mongers bucket list should include a visit if possible.
Happy Mongering
Member #4558
06-04-10, 10:07
Looks like the TPD arrested a couple of ladies at 4644 West Gandy Blvd. I'm not a fan of or partake in the massage or spa activities so I have no idea what this place is.
Just passing on the info.
Dirty Dining
06-04-10, 11:09
Gold Spa and J Spa infiltrated.
Ironically, both Gold and J Spas have gotten pretty poor word of mouth here lately. Play safe.
Pink Chaser
06-04-10, 21:43
Looks like the TPD arrested a couple of ladies at 4644 West Gandy Blvd. I'm not a fan of or partake in the massage or spa activities so I have no idea what this place is.
Just passing on the info.I've given up on massages parlors in Hillsborough County. You cant blame the girls for not doing xtras as much as they are getting raided, go to the other side of the bay.
Ironically, both Gold and J Spas have gotten pretty poor word of mouth here lately. Play safe.J Spa was visited but nothing happened. Down for a couple of days but now up and running. Same owner of Eastern Spa in Oldsmar. Oldsmar closer to me. Any feed back on the girls that work there?
Driving on Kennedy and noticed the sign at Nagoya had been changed to "Tampa Spa", I decided to TOFTT.
Not much newsworthy to report.
Cute spinner model, standard rub & tug.
My last few experiences at Nagoya were subpar, so all-in-all I'd have to say a net gain with new management. But, still not the magic oasis.......
For those of you that need a good therapeutic massage once in a while, this place is for you.
No on-line ads that I could find. But I saw a newspaper ad for a one hour Swedish massage by licensed massage therapist for a total, all inclusive price of $25.00
That is right folks. I just had to go there to find out. At worst, I would be out $25.00, so I made the appointment.
The place is located in Riverview, at 13107 South US Hwy 301. It is called "Essentials Massage and Facials". It seems to be new and I had a hard time finding it, since the ad only mentioned "across the street from Bealls". They should have said next to the Auto Parts Store.
The place has no name outside and not even a house number. Just enter the door between 13105 and 13109. WF?
The massage was awesome. The girl's name was Ingrid, and like most legit massages, draping was a requirement, and my back did not exist between mid thigh and waist, and my front did not exist between mid thigh and neck. Other than that, I could not have had a better massage. If they stay around, I will spend that kind of money a couple times a month.
The phone number is (813) 234-9484 Have fun guys.
Clinton Bush
06-07-10, 16:57
I posted a review several days ago in the Hudson/Pasco thread. The fact this place was so bad that I found the need to cross post a link here says it all. http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1001496&postcount=588
The .6 teaser rate is a come on for the big upsell and exceptionally poor service. Save your money and drive a little further to Largo for a decent place like Aloha or BT or PT. You will save money and actually get decent service.
Dallas7008
06-07-10, 17:02
I zipped over to O2 and Cindy greeted me and explained I need to wait 10 minutes. No problem. When she came back to the room I was waiting in, she was gushing with apology along with a big long hug and cheek kisses "I give you good massage, honey. I sorry you wait so long. I take care of you". OK.Had a dream of Sunny myself yesterday. She didn't seem very happy but got her to smile a few times. Great massage. My only concern was the curtains instead of doors to the rooms.
Also great TS.
No Fucking Balls
06-09-10, 08:52
Had a dream of Sunny myself yesterday. She didn't seem very happy but got her to smile a few times. Great massage. My only concern was the curtains instead of doors to the rooms.
Also great TS.I also had Sunny. Had a great time but half to admit that I am not too sure about the curtains either.
Clinton Bush
06-09-10, 10:06
This is information received by back channel but I believe it to be reliable. A fellow monger tried Green Spa and experienced the big upsell and very poor service. He said Green Spa is aptly named as they really want to see Green from their customers. Unfortunately he entered Green Spa and left with Blue balls and is now seeing Red. He believes Green Spa is likely owned by same owners as Asian Relaxation Spa the big rip off/bad service AMP in Tarpon Springs. Can anyone of you mongers who knows how to look up such things confirm? I do note the ads for Asian Relaxation Spa in Tarpon Springs and for Green Spa in Tampa consistently appear next to each other ever day on Craigslist Adult sections. Learning of his experience is enough for me to suggest NOT RECOMMENDED - AVOID!!!
Xtraveler G
06-09-10, 11:25
This is information received by back channel but I believe it to be reliable. A fellow monger tried Green Spa and experienced the big upsell and very poor service. He said Green Spa is aptly named as they really want to see Green from their customers. Unfortunately he entered Green Spa and left with Blue balls and is now seeing Red. He believes Green Spa is likely owned by same owners as Asian Relaxation Spa the big rip off/bad service AMP in Tarpon Springs. Can anyone of you mongers who knows how to look up such things confirm? I do note the ads for Asian Relaxation Spa in Tarpon Springs and for Green Spa in Tampa consistently appear next to each other ever day on Craigslist Adult sections. Learning of his experience is enough for me to suggest NOT RECOMMENDED - AVOID!!!
CB et al,
A quick check on Sunbiz (sunbiz.org/search.html) shows that the businesses were registered in 2009, by two different agents; one in Jacksonville, FL and the other in Seminole, FL.
Despite the fact that both agents have different addresses, the principal location of both spas are within Tampa/Clearwater.
Asian Relaxation Spa, Inc (http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P09000060372&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=ASIANRELAXATIONSPA&names_filing_type=)
Green Spa, LLC (http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=L09000047813&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=GREENSPA&names_filing_type=)
HTH
Littleshyguy
06-09-10, 15:42
- relocated report to proper forum -
Mumbles1127
06-10-10, 11:08
I had been to Magic about a month ago and had a good 1 hr experience with steam, shower, back rub and BBBJCIM (probable risky) for 1.8 with tipping. Had free time before late flight (I have a weekly gig in Tampa by Westshore) and its walking distance from hotel, so headed over.
Paid for 1/2 hr. Asked to see girl and told, dont worry nice girl. Took risk, but she was cute, petite 22 y.o. Thorough shower, back to room, back massage with towel, then without and some soft strokes in key places, then flip.
Of course, all along questions, (here before?, when? with who? where you from? why you here? how long here? have I seen u b4?) But she kept asking if I remember name of girl from before and if I had seen her before, even in Cali where she moved from, she asked.
I complimented her, ran my hands up her thigh some, she gave me a little kiss, and I asked if I could get more than just what was happening. I offered .4 for "something simple" which is what was looking for and she just smiled. Offered .6 to close the deal and smiled. Actually all I had, but offered up to 120 for with credit card, but no replies. Lots of rubbing, teasing, smiling, but another question about the previous visit.
Then I finally asked if this was just going to be a massage or if we could finish and she just smiled, said just massage, asked if I wanted bottle of water when time ran out and that was it.
I was livid. Made plans, got cash, chose a known place and was left hanging. Not rude or anything, just left, no tip and walked back completely pissed. I guess she thought I was a cop or too old (I'm a young mid 40s, but she mentioned that I was old like papa, but she likes papas and grandpas.
Anyway. Just so mad. Wasted my time and my nut. Was I the problem or have they changed since a month earlier. BTW, not my first time at an AMP (probably 10th), so I know the drills and i do some homework b4.
Share with me Tampa brothers.
Clinton Bush
06-10-10, 14:05
I had been to Magic about a month ago and had a good 1 hr experience with steam, shower, back rub and BBBJCIM (probable risky) for 1.8 with tipping. Had free time before late flight (I have a weekly gig in Tampa by Westshore) and its walking distance from hotel, so headed over.
Paid for 1/2 hr. Asked to see girl and told, dont worry nice girl. Took risk, but she was cute, petite 22 y.o. Thorough shower, back to room, back massage with towel, then without and some soft strokes in key places, then flip.
Of course, all along questions, (here before?, when? with who? where you from? why you here? how long here? have I seen u b4?) But she kept asking if I remember name of girl from before and if I had seen her before, even in Cali where she moved from, she asked.
I complimented her, ran my hands up her thigh some, she gave me a little kiss, and I asked if I could get more than just what was happening. I offered .4 for "something simple" which is what was looking for and she just smiled. Offered .6 to close the deal and smiled. Actually all I had, but offered up to 120 for with credit card, but no replies. Lots of rubbing, teasing, smiling, but another question about the previous visit.
Then I finally asked if this was just going to be a massage or if we could finish and she just smiled, said just massage, asked if I wanted bottle of water when time ran out and that was it.
I was livid. Made plans, got cash, chose a known place and was left hanging. Not rude or anything, just left, no tip and walked back completely pissed. I guess she thought I was a cop or too old (I'm a young mid 40s, but she mentioned that I was old like papa, but she likes papas and grandpas.
Anyway. Just so mad. Wasted my time and my nut. Was I the problem or have they changed since a month earlier. BTW, not my first time at an AMP (probably 10th), so I know the drills and i do some homework b4.
Share with me Tampa brothers.
You ruined it initially by coming off cheap. She apparently was royally insulted by your initial offer and decided that she was worth a lot more money than you were initially willing to pay so she decided to "train you" and "teach you a lesson" so you paid a nice tuition. Did you stay the entire time and/or leave a big tip after being insulted by her or did you reclaim some of your dignity and walk?
These girls think they are the gift to all the men of the earth. Was she Korean? or was she Chinese or Japanese? I am betting she was one of the latter. You paid your tuition, you learned your lesson now, move in with your life. Next time try an American girl at FT/TG in St Pete (RTFF there for details) and you won't be disappointed. If you ever find yourself in an other situation like you were in, get up, get dressed, cut your losses, save a little of your dignity and walk and be sure you tell the mamasan why you are leaving - it will make your girl lose face with the other girls and with the mamasan. Did this girl have a name or was she so forgettable you didn't bother? Everyone else - boycott Magic and AVOID!!! When you send them a message through your wallets that is the only way the service will improve!
Purple Porkchop
06-10-10, 17:28
You said
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then without and some soft strokes in key places, then flip.
I complimented her, ran my hands up her thigh some, she gave me a little kiss, and I asked if I could get more than just what was happening. I offered .4 for "something simple" which is what was looking for and she just smiled. Offered .6 to close the deal and smiled. Actually all I had, but offered up to 120 for with credit card, but no replies. Lots of rubbing, teasing, smiling, but another question about the previous visit.
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Offering 40 for HE is ballpark. I might have countered with 50 if things looked good, but no soft strokes is going down hill.
You did the right thing even for NY/NJ metro where I have most of my fun.
Will be in Tampa/St Pet in a few weeks and will be just as frugal as you
P Chop
Anyone has info/digits on Bashful Brandy please PM.
Thanks
Anyway. Just so mad. Wasted my time and my nut. Was I the problem or have they changed since a month earlier. BTW, not my first time at an AMP (probably 10th), so I know the drills and I do some homework before.
Share with me Tampa brothers.[/QUOTE]probably thought you were the fuzz. There were a few busts a couple weeks ago, and they probably were being cautious. It's happened to me a few times.
Johnson1970
06-10-10, 21:26
These girls think they are the gift to all the men of the earth. Was she Korean? or was she Chinese or Japanese?
If you ever find yourself in an other situation like you were in, get up, get dressed, cut your losses, save a little of your dignity and walk and be sure you tell the mamasan why you are leaving - it will make your girl lose face with the other girls and with the mamasan. I think it's something in the female human genome, they think because they were born with a pussy instead of a dick that the male owes them something.
This female attitude is especially bad in Americanized women, they see $$ as the only measure of a man's worth. I'm pretty sick of it after 40 years.
Once, a few years ago, I was in an AMP where the girl got completely naked, layed on top of me, then wouldn't put out after trying to upsell me. I got up, got dressed, wouldn't let her help and threw the money in her face. As I left, I told the girl at the desk I would never be back.
I heard a rumor things got much better there . . . it was PT in Largo . . . your welcome ;)
Clinton Bush
06-10-10, 21:47
There are some interesting strip club and street meat options in Tampa and as you can see in the threads a number of other posters are expert guides.
For MP action, Tampa shops are well known for the big upsell and for the non-delivery of service that Mumbles already experienced. I suggest you go to the St Pete boards and RTFF for the past couple of years focusing on one of the following reputable places
St Pete/Largo AMPs -
Aloha Spa - Sunshine is the AMP Queen (when she is in town)
Pine Tree Spa (PT) - Sophia has a great reputation if she is in town, need to fill out a membership card so 1st visit will not be very productive
Body Temple (BT) - very clean and relaxing - Jenny, June, Tina all are good
OK Spa - only when Tammy is not "going through the motions"
Spring Spa - only if Yung is there
St Pete Aromatherapy - A lot of fun and a great value
Final Touch (FT) and Tropical Gardens (TG) check website, pictures shcedule and reviews on USASG to find a girl you will like - note not a massage parlor, but is very fun!!! http://www.finaltouch-tropicalgardens.com
73rd Aromatherapy (note: mixed reviews - some have reported success here and others not - also they are known to video tape clients -go at your own risk)
If I've missed any other worthwhile places for our visitors to consider, others please chime in here
This is information received by back channel but I believe it to be reliable. A fellow monger tried Green Spa and experienced the big upsell and very poor service. He said Green Spa is aptly named as they really want to see Green from their customers. Unfortunately he entered Green Spa and left with Blue balls and is now seeing Red. He believes Green Spa is likely owned by same owners as Asian Relaxation Spa the big rip off/bad service AMP in Tarpon Springs. Can anyone of you mongers who knows how to look up such things confirm? I do note the ads for Asian Relaxation Spa in Tarpon Springs and for Green Spa in Tampa consistently appear next to each other ever day on Craigslist Adult sections. Learning of his experience is enough for me to suggest NOT RECOMMENDED - AVOID!!!I totally agree avoid this place it is a rip-off.
John Certero
06-11-10, 02:29
I was livid. Made plans, got cash, chose a known place and was left hanging. Not rude or anything, just left, no tip and walked back completely pissed. I guess she thought I was a cop or too old (I'm a young mid 40s, but she mentioned that I was old like papa, but she likes papas and grandpas.
I tried that place out probably over 6-7 months ago.
Went in late one night. I think the name of my attendant was Bebe? Probably mid-30s attractive from what I remember. At first she seemed pretty flirty but things kinda changed pretty quick during the TS. Same ole questions where you from, what you etc. She seemed nervous defiantly suspicious. When she put the towel over JR on the flip in the TS and said you wash I had a feeling things wouldn't get better. During the massage she kept me covered the entire time with a sheet. Not just the glutes either. That sheet went from my shoulders to my feet LOL. She did the entire massage through the sheet. Massage wasn't bad but certainly what I was looking for. As far as anything else she didn't offer I didn't ask. Having read through some reviews on this place prior to visiting I was defiantly surprised. One factor that could of played was my inexperience. I'm not claiming to be an AMP veteran or guru now, but I have alot more sessions under my belt now than I did then. I was probably more nervous than her and was giving off the wrong vibes.
I dont remember a Bebe at PT, but there definitely used to be a Bebe over at Aloha. Your description definitely fits the one of Bebe at Aloha, or maybe her name wasn't Bebe?
I tried that place out probably over 6-7 months ago.
Went in late one night. I think the name of my attendant was Bebe? Probably mid-30s attractive from what I remember. At first she seemed pretty flirty but things kinda changed pretty quick during the TS. Same ole questions where you from, what you etc. She seemed nervous defiantly suspicious. When she put the towel over JR on the flip in the TS and said you wash I had a feeling things wouldn't get better. During the massage she kept me covered the entire time with a sheet. Not just the glutes either. That sheet went from my shoulders to my feet LOL. She did the entire massage through the sheet. Massage wasn't bad but certainly what I was looking for. As far as anything else she didn't offer I didn't ask. Having read through some reviews on this place prior to visiting I was defiantly surprised. One factor that could of played was my inexperience. I'm not claiming to be an AMP veteran or guru now, but I have alot more sessions under my belt now than I did then. I was probably more nervous than her and was giving off the wrong vibes.
I totally agree avoid this place it is a rip-off.I am not sure where these people are getting their info from but Asian relaxation Spa is located in Palm Harbor, and gives very good top notch service, and is highly recomended.
Clinton Bush
06-13-10, 22:00
I am not sure where these people are getting their info from but Asian relaxation Spa is located in Palm Harbor, and gives very good top notch service, and is highly recomended.
Let's see
* the prices were excessive (requested .8 for a HE)
* the attendant was constantly upselling and negotiating for more money
* the service absolutely sucked, and
* the entire experience was far from relaxation.
Perhaps Donald Trump might enjoy the constant process of haggling and negotiating during the entire session. I did not.
ps - thanks for calling me and another poster here out. I see you have a total of 2 posts here -both touting Asian Relaxation Spa. Are you the owner? If so, you might want to make some changes.
I dont remember a Bebe at PT, but there definitely used to be a Bebe over at Aloha. Your description definitely fits the one of Bebe at Aloha, or maybe her name wasn't Bebe?
There was a Bebe at Aloha, but it was many, like three, years ago. There was a Bebe at Four Seasons with gigantic bolt ons (some of you seniors might remember her). No Bebe I know of lately, and none at PT
Member #5237
06-14-10, 03:12
I have to agree with Clinton Bush on this one. When this place was formerly known as Ocean Spa, extras could be had. I know this from my own visits. New name, maybe even a new owner, and EVERY REPORT since then has been negative with an advisory to avoid. NOTHING extra was on the menu.
Clinton Bush
06-14-10, 08:25
I have to agree with Clinton Bush on this one. When this place was formerly known as Ocean Spa, extras could be had. I know this from my own visits. New name, maybe even a new owner, and EVERY REPORT since then has been negative with an advisory to avoid. NOTHING extra was on the menu.
Back when it was Ocean Spa, it was very good and extras were easily available at standard St Pete tipping scale and the girls on staff were pretty hot. Since the new owners have taken over and renamed it Asian Relaxation Spa, both the service level and the quality of the girls has declined dramatically.
There was a Bebe at the AMP on westshore near Gandy almost 3 years ago. I don't fall in love, but I would have followed that girl anywhere.
Always came in freshly showered and apologizing for no makeup(she didn't need it) Great TS, Great massage. Tour of pacific rim and could get me off cowgirl which hadn't happened before or since.
Last time I saw her, I got a double with her and her visiting friend.
I think I was walking around in a daze for the rest of the week.
PeterPiper52
06-14-10, 17:07
Anyone has info/digits on Bashful Brandy please PM.
ThanksShe works at Final Touch now.
John Certero
06-15-10, 00:42
I dont remember a Bebe at PT, but there definitely used to be a Bebe over at Aloha. Your description definitely fits the one of Bebe at Aloha, or maybe her name wasn't Bebe?
I wasn't referring to either PT or Aloha. The title of my report and the report I quoted was Magic as in Magic spa in Tampa on Kennedy Blvd.
Like I said as far as the name goes it was a long time ago but I am pretty sure she said her name was Bebe. Maybe Baby? I have a hard time understanding with the Asian accent sometimes, but from what I remember her English was pretty good. As far as my "description" of her (mid-30s attractive) depending on ones taste and their ability to range the age of Asian women(one thing I'm not to good at) could meet the description of quite a few different providers in the Tampa/ St Pete area.
Clinton Bush
06-15-10, 00:56
She works at Final Touch now.
I checked this out and PeterPiper52 is correct. By looking at the pictures in both ads, it's pretty obvious that a girl who once advertised as "Bashful Brandy" http://tampa.backpage.com/online/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=2790463 is the same girl who is now known as "Kristy" at Tropical Gardens http://www.finaltouch-tropicalgardens.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=3757867 in St Petersburg.
While I haven't had a session with her yet, I have talked to Kristy several times while waiting for sessions with several of Cindy's other girls. She is a real cutie and seems to be very personable. Another real sweetheart at FT/TG ! (I suppose that it also doesn't hurt that she also has the type of well stacked curvaceous body that most big breast lovers really appreciate) ;)
Four For 5
06-15-10, 11:51
She works at Final Touch now.
Worst cbj ever had, teeth scrape.
I am not sure where these people are getting their info from but Asian relaxation Spa is located in Palm Harbor, and gives very good top notch service, and is highly recomended.
If I am wrong I apologize up front.
Spaman seems to have a vested interest in some of the AMP's. He posted in that section on the St Pete board that he would let Asian Relaxation Spa know of the bad odor and make sure it gets fixed.
Now he is promoting the same AMP here that everyone is saying to avoid.
I was just wondering....
I checked this out and PeterPiper52 is correct. By looking at the pictures in both ads, it's pretty obvious that a girl who once advertised as "Bashful Brandy" http://tampa.backpage.com/online/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=2790463 is the same girl who is now known as "Kristy" at Tropical Gardens http://www.finaltouch-tropicalgardens.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=3757867 in St Petersburg.
While I haven't had a session with her yet, I have talked to Kristy several times while waiting for sessions with several of Cindy's other girls. She is a real cutie and seems to be very personable. Another real sweetheart at FT/TG ! (I suppose that it also doesn't hurt that she also has the type of well stacked curvaceous body that most big breast lovers really appreciate) ;)
I can speak with personal experience that she truly enjoys her orgasms!
I had a short session a few weeks ago and it was nice. She was friendly and has nice knockers. A little bbw.
I don't know what the name of the spa is....I don't remember. All I remember is that the sign said it was a "Japanese" spa......parking was in the rear and you had to enter through the front door. The last 4 digits of the phone number on the sign at the front was 3343. It was ironic because it said "Japanese" on the sign and a Korean RA was the one who serviced me.
It's up to you whether or not you want to believe my dream...the intel is there...use it or lose it.
I swear...you Tampa guys are some of the most uptight people I've ever run across in the hobby.
RR702
Remember this cat ? He was visting from VEGAS back in April. He posted about some of his fun while visiting and we (me) kept giving him a hard time about where (AMP) he was at and how much he spent.
Dude has not posted since then. I hope he didnt wonder off 7th Ave and uhh, disappear. (if you get my meaning) Perhaps if I poke him with a stick like in April he will come back to life. POKE, POKE
Suckmy Cock
06-28-10, 09:38
While it Tampa, Stopped in Japanese Spa.
There were 3 providers visible. All 3 mid 30's, 1 short med boobs, 1 a bit taller (maybe 5'5) medium boobs. One vert short (maybe 5'0 if that) smaller boobs.
I selected the 3rd, hr name was Tina. Very enthusiastic. Very skilled.
The one on Kennedy?
While it Tampa, Stopped in Japanese Spa.
There were 3 providers visible. All 3 mid 30's, 1 short med boobs, 1 a bit taller (maybe 5'5) medium boobs. One vert short (maybe 5'0 if that) smaller boobs.
I selected the 3rd, hr name was Tina. Very enthusiastic. Very skilled.
While it Tampa, Stopped in Japanese Spa.
There were 3 providers visible. All 3 mid 30's, 1 short med boobs, 1 a bit taller (maybe 5'5) medium boobs. One vert short (maybe 5'0 if that) smaller boobs.
I selected the 3rd, hr name was Tina. Very enthusiastic. Very skilled.
Anybody know if Tina is back in town?
Tampa Monger
06-29-10, 23:59
Anybody know if Tina is back in town?
The odds that it's the same girl are very small, but wouldn't that be great?
The Orlando board is not fond of this type of place but I don't know about this new one in Tampa.
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/thp/1820386415.html
The Orlando board is not fond of this type of place but I don't know about this new one in Tampa.
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/thp/1820386415.htmlTineye found the advert pic linked to two other websites.
Mal
Timeforgames32
07-02-10, 15:42
The Orlando board is not fond of this type of place but I don't know about this new one in Tampa.
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/thp/1820386415.html
The orlando mongers are not fond of this type because it is always major upsell for lousy or no service.
If same type as Orlando, almost all Tampa mongers would be very unhappy.
Don't have any first hand experience. Have been reading the Orlando board for almost totally negative reviews. With this amount amount negative reviews, did not bother toftt. Would suggest same for the Tampa mongers.
CT Visitor
07-02-10, 15:48
Tineye found the advert pic linked to two other websites.
Mal
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/grand-opening-european-hot-college-girls-22/4016672
On the advice of a fellow guide member, I recently paid a visit to yoshiko. As others have posted, the prices are steep and there is no room for negotiation. However, I think you certainly get what you pay for and the service was outstanding. I will probably repeat if I have the money and am in the mood for a high end asian massage experience.
Just wondering if anyone has visited this young lady or has heard anything about her. She's been posting on bp for a few months now.
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/working-all-week-specially-sweet-southern-girl-will-rock-your-world-29/3781014
I went ahead and took a gamble and saw Kaydie today. I will say that I left quite satisfied. Very sweet girl and a non-rush experience.
Just wondering if anyone has visited this young lady or has heard anything about her. She's been posting on bp for a few months now.
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/working-all-week-specially-sweet-southern-girl-will-rock-your-world-29/3781014
Just wondering if anyone has visited this young lady or has heard anything about her. She's been posting on bp for a few months now.
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/working-all-week-specially-sweet-southern-girl-will-rock-your-world-29/3781014
Pretty expensive for not being FS.
Dave Pizman
07-07-10, 17:20
Pretty expensive for not being FS.My thoughts exactly, unless Quenton has any contrary info. What's the scoop Q? Is the non-FS comment just to weed clients out, or is she actually trying to charge $160 for a body rub?
Well, I can tell you that the half hour does not get you FS. I don't know whether the $160/hr gets you more or not, but I was comfortable sticking with a half hour appointment. I would agree that $160/hr is a little high for non FS, which is why I tend to stick with the shorter appointments when it comes to massage. I still had a nice time overall.
My thoughts exactly, unless Quenton has any contrary info. What's the scoop Q? Is the non-FS comment just to weed clients out, or is she actually trying to charge $160 for a body rub?
PeterPiper52
07-09-10, 17:34
Just wondering if anyone has seen Erica.
She advertises on Backpage under the "massage" section.
Her ads are quite funny, and she's pretty cute.
Friday Katz
07-10-10, 15:14
Here is a report from a friend of mine concerning Farista. I was considering her until I read this. Thought you might like to know.
"Farista is a new provider offering massages in Zephryhills. She advertises on CL therapeutic as a 37 year old east Indian. Although the ad is intriguing, Farista should be avoided. The base rate is only $75 but there is aggressive upselling (which I politely declined) at an outrageous price. Farista became downright hostile when I declined to spend another $200. There is a lot more I could say (all negative), but the bottom line is that Farista is someone to be avoided unless you are looking for a terrifying experience with an unstable person"
I have emailed her several times and even talked to her on the phone, trying to get a comitment from her that he will be providing a HE. She absolutely refused. Maybe it was just being safe, but I had her confused with another Erica that I knew as an escort. And due to the distance to travel, I declined and never saw her,
She sure is funny and fun to ralk to, but I had something else in mind. Bill Ho
Just wondering if anyone has seen Erica.
She advertises on Backpage under the "massage" section.
Her ads are quite funny, and she's pretty cute.
Hard Working 19
07-10-10, 16:17
You actually tried to get someone who you had never met and who advertised under theraputic massage to agree to a happy ending? And you were surprised that she wouldn't? Seriously?
I have emailed her several times and even talked to her on the phone, trying to get a comitment from her that he will be providing a HE. She absolutely refused. Maybe it was just being safe, but I had her confused with another Erica that I knew as an escort. And due to the distance to travel, I declined and never saw her,
She sure is funny and fun to ralk to, but I had something else in mind. Bill Ho
You actually tried to get someone who you had never met and who advertised under theraputic massage to agree to a happy ending? And you were surprised that she wouldn't? Seriously?
And while you were at it, how about a bbbj or even fs? That's about the first rule of mongering, never discuss such things, especially over the phone. I think if she started to talk about it, I would hang up and be suspect of a LE trap.
I thought I said that I was thinking I was talking to an escort I knew by the same name. Bill Ho
You actually tried to get someone who you had never met and who advertised under theraputic massage to agree to a happy ending? And you were surprised that she wouldn't? Seriously?
I dont follow half the rules in my Mongers Handbook. If you want to know, you gotta ask. Im not driving 20 miles for a massage and then 20 miles back to the lair just to jerk off.
Asking dont hurt.
I dont follow half the rules in my Mongers Handbook. If you want to know, you gotta ask. Im not driving 20 miles for a massage and then 20 miles back to the lair just to jerk off.
Asking dont hurt.
It may not hurt to ask but I think they would be an idiot to say yes if they don't know you IMHO
Dave Pizman
07-11-10, 18:53
Just wondering if anyone has seen Erica.
She advertises on Backpage under the "massage" section.
Her ads are quite funny, and she's pretty cute.If we're talking about the same Erica, I have seen her. She has blonde hair and nice tits? I've seen her twice. The first time it was just a rubdown, nothing more. Towards the end she hinted at more at a later visit. I wasn't sure if that was just a con to get me to come back, but I fell for it. I'm glad I did. The 2nd visit was the same rub, however for an extra Jackson, she went topless and provided a HE. Her tits are exquisite! She's not fat, but she's a little thick. I like my women with meat on their bones, so I was happy. She has to feel comfortable with you before she'll even offer it up. She can be a bit flighty, having admitted she has 4 different personalities. She even asked about previous therapists I've seen and seem intrigued when I brought up that FS was put on the menu with my previous girls. I would and do repeat. You may not get what you're looking for the first time. I f she's comfortable with you, work that magic.
If we're talking about the same Erica, I have seen her. She has blonde hair and nice tits? I've seen her twice. The first time it was just a rubdown, nothing more. Towards the end she hinted at more at a later visit. I wasn't sure if that was just a con to get me to come back, but I fell for it. I'm glad I did. The 2nd visit was the same rub, however for an extra Jackson, she went topless and provided a HE. Her tits are exquisite! She's not fat, but she's a little thick. I like my women with meat on their bones, so I was happy. She has to feel comfortable with you before she'll even offer it up. She can be a bit flighty, having admitted she has 4 different personalities. She even asked about previous therapists I've seen and seem intrigued when I brought up that FS was put on the menu with my previous girls. I would and do repeat. You may not get what you're looking for the first time. I f she's comfortable with you, work that magic.Thanks for the report, I have two questions that I would appreciate you answering.
First, does she give a good massage? That is important to me.
Second, can you give me a general idea of her location? I live over near the Gulf, but go to Tampa sometimes.
Thanks
Mumbles1127
07-12-10, 10:12
Went back to Magic (yes I know what I said before). Had only a half hour and needed to know what I was getting into. Paid for a half .6 with shower. Got enthusiastic Jenny (maybe Janey) with permed hair. She was great in the shower, talkative, funny and clear about what she wanted to clean. But kept giving me a hard time about only taking a 1/2 hour.
Back to the room. Ok massage, a little more play, and they starts tongue my moonside (which was great). Again tells me I need more time, but hold firm (and hard), flip over, offered $ for some BJ, but opt for a .6 HE. Surprised with some tongue to ball action, ass in face and request for touch and play. Happy to oblige and held on for my 1/2 hour.
Dont know why it was all wrong last time, but it was all right this time. Wanted to try out Yoshiko and saw a comment here, but need more details. Hope to see some reports.
Went back to Magic (yes I know what I said before). Had only a half hour and needed to know what I was getting into. Paid for a half .6 with shower. Got enthusiastic Jenny (maybe Janey) with permed hair. She was great in the shower, talkative, funny and clear about what she wanted to clean. But kept giving me a hard time about only taking a 1/2 hour.
Back to the room. Ok massage, a little more play, and they starts tongue my moonside (which was great). Again tells me I need more time, but hold firm (and hard), flip over, offered $ for some BJ, but opt for a .6 HE. Surprised with some tongue to ball action, ass in face and request for touch and play. Happy to oblige and held on for my 1/2 hour.
Dont know why it was all wrong last time, but it was all right this time. Wanted to try out Yoshiko and saw a comment here, but need more details. Hope to see some reports.
Ive not been to magic in a year or so but I had some good times there with Yumi.
Four For 5
07-12-10, 11:02
Wanted to try out Yoshiko and saw a comment here, but need more details. Hope to see some reports.
Never had a bad experience there, I just don't go often as it's expensive. $$ is what they'll ask for FS, but it's as good as any $$$$ an hour ho.
One time a few years ago one of the girls there had me weak in the knees at how gorgeous her face was, and with a body to match. She perform CBJ, they're real slick how they get the cover on with their mouth, and her ass was in my face so I did what any carpet muncher would do, and she loved it. After she O'd she spun around and jammed her tongue in my mouth.
Old School 5
07-12-10, 11:15
I noticed the adds in backpage last week and gave it a try. I called the number and was given directions to a building on Nebraska avenue near the dog track. I was also told that the cost was $120 for an hour. The photo's looked good so I wanted to give it a try. I went to the business and the Russian girl said her name was Tess (should have been no-touch). Paid the money and the session started with a light massage. Asked about a shower told they didn't have one. On the flip side tried to play grabass but was told that it was an extra $50. Asked about HE and was told another $50 and would have to clean up myself.
I think I will stay with the Korean spa's.
Dave Pizman
07-12-10, 17:36
Thanks for the report, I have two questions that I would appreciate you answering.
First, does she give a good massage? That is important to me.
Second, can you give me a general idea of her location? I live over near the Gulf, but go to Tampa sometimes.
ThanksThe bodyrub is very relaxing. She does a good job in hitting all of the non-essential spots. She lives in Carrollwood, off of Gunn Hwy and Anderson.
Legalize it
07-13-10, 22:32
Went back to Magic (yes I know what I said before). Had only a half hour and needed to know what I was getting into. Paid for a half .6 with shower. Got enthusiastic Jenny (maybe Janey) with permed hair. She was great in the shower, talkative, funny and clear about what she wanted to clean. But kept giving me a hard time about only taking a 1/2 hour.
Back to the room. Ok massage, a little more play, and they starts tongue my moonside (which was great). Again tells me I need more time, but hold firm (and hard), flip over, offered $ for some BJ, but opt for a .6 HE. Surprised with some tongue to ball action, ass in face and request for touch and play. Happy to oblige and held on for my 1/2 hour.
Dont know why it was all wrong last time, but it was all right this time. Wanted to try out Yoshiko and saw a comment here, but need more details. Hope to see some reports.
Sounds like you had a good time. Is that the place on Kennedy? What did Jenny look like?
Is that the place on Kennedy?
Kennedy near Westshore. Next to the Burger King.
Mumbles1127
07-16-10, 14:41
Sounds like you had a good time. Is that the place on Kennedy? What did Jenny look like?
Write location as mentioned. Jenny is about 5'6" and has a big perm. Thin but not skinny body. great behind.
Whiskeysours
07-17-10, 10:36
I noticed the adds in backpage last week and gave it a try. I called the number and was given directions to a building on Nebraska avenue near the dog track. I was also told that the cost was $120 for an hour. The photo's looked good so I wanted to give it a try. I went to the business and the Russian girl said her name was Tess (should have been no-touch). Paid the money and the session started with a light massage. Asked about a shower told they didn't have one. On the flip side tried to play grabass but was told that it was an extra $50. Asked about HE and was told another $50 and would have to clean up myself.
I think I will stay with the Korean spa's.
This outfit appears to be run by the same people who operate something similar in Orlando. Check out the Orlando massage parlor reports and you'll see a lot of similar negative posts.
Wanks Foryou
07-19-10, 13:25
What happened to the threads on Hudson, which was in the other area location of this Tampa thread?
Chase Star
07-19-10, 14:37
What happened to the threads on Hudson, which was in the other area location of this Tampa thread?It has its own section now and I imagine all the old posts from this section were moved over there where they belong.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2805
After a few hours of family time, I needed to relax. I've had good times at Magic in the past and wanted to see if I could again. Paid my .6 door fee and a hottie named Mikki walked thru the door. After a short shower and massage came the flip. Overall, Mikki had a fantastic body with decent skills. Despite her relatively flat Korean butt, she knew how to throw that thing back like a pro.
But what really made my day was the Mamasan (the younger one). I noticed her coming in and going out and was stunned by her beauty. Yes, she's older but she looked fantastic! I've only seen 2 mamasans that looked better and they were both in Atlanta during its AMP heydey. I promised myself that I'd have this one, or at least try.
So, I returned the next night and there she was, the gorgeous Mamasan. I explained why I was there and if she was available. I was clear that I had a great time the night before and would leave without malice or incident if she declined. She protested at first, said she'd do the shower and massage (but not post-flip). I said I wanted everything and when I turned to leave, she said she'd do it.
The shower and massage were so-so. Post-flip, things got hot. As I expected, she was more stunning without clothes than before. Perfect breasts, small waist and a very nice ass for a Korean woman. As I expected, she was very skilled with very heavy head action. And I haven't been ridden like that since Laura over near Lowry Park (PW might remember her).
She darn near made my erupt just from that riding but I wanted the chance to exhibit my power. Mish with Mamasan felt good. Too good, in fact. I lasted another 7 - 8 minutes, tops. I take no pride in admitting that and complimented her profusely on her skills.
I don't expect to have that special treat again if I ever return but wanted to mention that.
After a few hours of family time, I needed to relax. I've had good times at Magic in the past and wanted to see if I could again. Paid my .6 door fee and a hottie named Mikki walked thru the door. After a short shower and massage came the flip. Overall, Mikki had a fantastic body with decent skills. Despite her relatively flat Korean butt, she knew how to throw that thing back like a pro.
But what really made my day was the Mamasan (the younger one). I noticed her coming in and going out and was stunned by her beauty. Yes, she's older but she looked fantastic! I've only seen 2 mamasans that looked better and they were both in Atlanta during its AMP heydey. I promised myself that I'd have this one, or at least try.
So, I returned the next night and there she was, the gorgeous Mamasan. I explained why I was there and if she was available. I was clear that I had a great time the night before and would leave without malice or incident if she declined. She protested at first, said she'd do the shower and massage (but not post-flip). I said I wanted everything and when I turned to leave, she said she'd do it.
The shower and massage were so-so. Post-flip, things got hot. As I expected, she was more stunning without clothes than before. Perfect breasts, small waist and a very nice ass for a Korean woman. As I expected, she was very skilled with very heavy head action. And I haven't been ridden like that since Laura over near Lowry Park (PW might remember her).
She darn near made my erupt just from that riding but I wanted the chance to exhibit my power. Mish with Mamasan felt good. Too good, in fact. I lasted another 7 - 8 minutes, tops. I take no pride in admitting that and complimented her profusely on her skills.
I don't expect to have that special treat again if I ever return but wanted to mention that.
Did you get her name? There is a "mamasan" there that used to do regular work. I have tried several times, without success, to get her to give me a full session. If it was her, I'm jealous.
Wanks Foryou
07-21-10, 07:01
Thank you Chase.. I found it, now lets see if we can get everyone to post there so we don't clog up the Tampa section with out of area news.
Did you get her name? There is a "mamasan" there that used to do regular work. I have tried several times, without success, to get her to give me a full session. If it was her, I'm jealous.
No, I was so shocked I actually hooked the mamasan, I didn't get her name. Plus, I was headed out of town and don't expect to see her again if I return. But, she was the dark-haired younger mamasan. Her hair is about shoulder-length, if that helps.
Oh...if it's a slow night, you might succeed.
Anyone have any info on Kings spa in Olsmar?
Hey,
Can use a little suggestion, I am going to be in Sarasota and Tampa/palm harbor area. Any places that you would recommend or stay away from.
I read alot of posts in this forum but any recent advice would be great. I went to a place awhile back in the area and the girls were too old for my tastes.
Looking for a place with table shower etc, what are the going rates in tampa, is the house fee $6 for the massage or have they gone up.
Thanks,
Be safe
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So, I returned the next night and there she was, the gorgeous Mamasan. I explained why I was there and if she was available. I was clear that I had a great time the night before and would leave without malice or incident if she declined. She protested at first, said she'd do the shower and massage (but not post-flip). I said I wanted everything and when I turned to leave, she said she'd do it.
I don't expect to have that special treat again if I ever return but wanted to mention that.
Hey Star, What was tha dam$ge? PM if prefer. Thanks.
Recently moved to Tampa and after doing my research on here I visited Magic Spa on Kennedy. I knew this was going to be more expensive than shat I'm comfortable paying but I had the money and wanted some fun.
I walk in mamasan greets me tells me .8 for an hour. I meet my provider she is in her 30's with great bolt ons and surprisingly non flat Asian ass. She told me her name but she spoke really bad broken English and I honestly have no idea what she was saying. She was covered in nicotine patches and a ton of makeup.
Got the TS and she was very thorough and courteous. We went to the room for the massage and that was great. Very relaxing and like the AMP's with doors instead of curtains like Magic. At the flip came the hand gestures.
Provider used her hands to give me the cost for each action. .6 to $$. The reviews on this place are correct the prices are way to high for my tastes but this provider was hot and looked worth it. I negotiated and after a while came to an agreement for FS.
Spent way to much but it was worth it. Great handwork, amazing oral skills and Asians have the condom trick down to a science. Unbelievable gymnastics routine on me. When done my provider took care of me with some warm towels and a light massage and off I went. Got the whole hour in.
To summarize very expensive, best time I've had at an AMP, I thought my Rhode Island Experience would never be beat. Sorry I couldn't get the name guys I just could not for the life of me understand a word she said to me. Actions spoke louder than words here for sure.
So after a long day of work I decided to visit Aloha. I met mamasan told her I wanted an hour. She insisted on a half hour. Personally I enjoy the hour to pamper myself with a TS, massage and extras. Anyway mamasan explains "girl so beautiful. Half hour fun all you need". I heard this place was good and not expensive. $60 for a half is expensive. I'm finding Tampa to be fleecing me.
Connie was my provider, 30's, Asian, eh on the face, body has some nice plastic and typical flat ass. She speaks decent English. I'm not totally impressed.
Got the TS and it was decent. Went back to the room. Room was very clean, large and good lighting, fresh towels and larger than average table with mirror on the wall to see the provider working her magic.
As soon as we entered the room she asked me what I wanted. I asked what's in the menu, answer d. All of the above. $60 for HE, $ for CBJ, $$ FS. Yikes Connie your talking a list numbers here and your far from that. I negotiated but she was firm on her price. Not impressed at all. I took the least expensive option. She gave me an ok massage, tried to negotiate again during massage. She was staying firm and stayed clothed the whole massage. Again not impressed. Majority of providers I've visited get naked for the massage or at least wear a bikini. At the flip she pulled her top down. Used her hand skills and away we went. I think I hurt her feelings by my constant negotiating because she beat up Mr. Johnson. When done got the hot towel treatment and clean up.
Spoke with mamasan on the way out she said "see only half hour! Next time bring more money" I did the smile and nod and left. No way will I return to Aloha. Since moving to Tampa and being a frequent massage parlor enthusiast can anyone suggest a provider who is good and priced right?
Anyone have any info on Kings spa in Olsmar?
This is one I mentioned a while back, but it wasn't open at the time. Then on Friday I passed by and it seemed to be open, but I didn't notice it immediately and decided to come back later. When I went by there yesterday around 7 pm they were closed again. There was some kind of sign in small print on the door, but a bunch of people milling around outside at an art shop a few doors down, so I didn't get out of my car to see what it said.
Travelrr 433
07-26-10, 12:56
New place or retread on Gandy? Any news?
Travelrr
No Fucking Balls
07-26-10, 19:05
Tried to get into Oxygen today, but was told by Sunny (I think), that they were busy and I would have to come back in 30 minutes. I wasnt able to make it back.
Member #5724
07-26-10, 21:23
Went by tonight and they were closed. Sign on the door states what types of massages they do and another sign says help wanted Licensed massage therapists.
So, not sure if they opened and were quickly shut down due to no lmt's or what the deal is.
This is one I mentioned a while back, but it wasn't open at the time. Then on Friday I passed by and it seemed to be open, but I didn't notice it immediately and decided to come back later. When I went by there yesterday around 7 pm they were closed again. There was some kind of sign in small print on the door, but a bunch of people milling around outside at an art shop a few doors down, so I didn't get out of my car to see what it said.
Billsohorney
07-27-10, 14:02
Saw Kaydie today, very nice girl, a few more tat's then I like, but all in all a good visit, will probably return.
Just wondering if anyone has visited this young lady or has heard anything about her. She's been posting on bp for a few months now.
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/working-all-week-specially-sweet-southern-girl-will-rock-your-world-29/3781014
Old School 5
08-03-10, 20:45
Stopped by today looking for Jasmine but was told she no longer worked there. Had a girl named Cherry nice looking but small chest. Tried a little play but she said she was nervous. No play means no tip.
Anyone know were Jasmine went?
Tampa Monger
08-08-10, 01:12
Most mongers fib about barebacking or keep it to themselves. I've kept this to myself for quite a while, but here it is. Back in the days of Tina and Yumi at Osaka, I had BBFSCIP with both of them every single time I saw them except for the very first time with Tina. In fact, I usually saw them together and left a deposit in each, until Yumi left.
So, how did it start? On my first visit with Yumi, she started sucking my cock bare, and it was excellent. She asked if I wanted to fuck, and I said no. I told her I don't like condoms and that a blowjob is good enough for me. Now, Yumi has an exceptional ass for an Asian girl, and I wanted to see it, so I had her stand up and turn around for a bit while I jerked off looking at it. She started playing with her pussy at the same time, which was really hot. My plan was to have her finish me off with a blowjob, but instead, without even asking, she just sat down right on my cock and jammed it into her pussy. (I thought she was just trying to get closer to me so I could touch her ass.) She rode me for a while, and then we ended up doing doggy on the floor. I didn't think she'd let me cum in her pussy, but after a while she started saying "cum my pussy" over and over again. Who am I to tell a girl no? When I left, I thought, "Shit, I probably shouldn't have done that." But the next time I came back I found that I couldn't stop myself. Then I did a double with her and Tina, and Tina did pretty much the same thing without a word (well, except for "cum my pussy"). It was like an addiction. I found myself going twice a week to "make my deposit" (as I called it) in these girls.
Once Osaka was shut down, I came to my senses and went and got tested for the usual stuff. I wasn't worried about HIV of course and I had no symptoms of anything, but I just wanted to be sure. All tests were completely negative.
While BBFS is not something I make a habit of (to say the least), would I do it again if the old Osaka came back and those girls were there? I don't think I'd be able to stop myself.
I just wanted to get that off my chest. Before you leap to criticize me, don't forget that criticizing someone's (un)safe sex practices is against forum rules (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/announcement-forumrules.php). Truth is, I don't actually mind. Say what you want. I knew the risks I was taking and I took them. I gambled and won. But Jackson might have a problem with it, so I'm just warning you in advance.
Chase Star
08-08-10, 09:08
Most mongers fib about barebacking or keep it to themselves. ...Wow!!! I guess that explains why when I happened to see Yumi on the street the other day she had a baby that looked so much like you. :) Seriously, there are other things to worry about besides just diseases.
However, I think you're right about guys fibbing about such matters. Whether others care to admit it or not, I think you are FAR from being the only monger ever to let the little head do the thinking and go bare. I'll admit similar things have happened to me. It usually starts where a provider just hops on one time before you know it and you just figure WTF, the damage is done, might as well go for it. Or sometimes a condom breaks or slips off in the heat of the action and what are you going to do at that point? Its not so easy for a guy to stop at such moments.
OTOH, I try to draw the line at CIP unless the girl specifically requests it and assures me she can't get pregnant or is taking some other form of birth control. Of course, women have been known to lie about such matters just like some men can lie about being "fixed" themselves. If I were to make a regular practice of popping inside, I'd probably get myself snipped to remove any worry about getting slapped with a paternity suit down the road.
As for the disease concern, if you're going to go bareback, about the only other things you can do are try to be selective about which providers you do such things with (crackwhore streetwalkers especially bad, one session a day upscale escorts not quite as bad) AND get yourself tested regularly, which is something anyone participating in this hobby should be doing anyway (btw, I had mine last week and came out clean again, woohoo!!). I'm happy to hear TM did that and came out okay. Hopefully the girls are doing that too, although you never know.
I'll also add that any provider that so casually hops on the dick of guy she barely knows, and especially if she lets him pop inside, has probably done the same thing with many many others, so guys need to be especially careful about that and if they've gone bare with other providers at least get themselves checked like TM had done. Not all STD's have readily apparent symptoms (e.g. HIV) so testing is the only way to know for sure and not spread something you may not know you have on to someone else.
I hope this didn't come off as lecturing because it wasn't intended that way. I'm NOT making any judgments on TM or anyone else because I'll also admit I've done similar things at times in this hobby. But it certainly does heighten the risk (along with the enjoyment and worry) so if anyone has done this (or is still doing it) I hope they at least do like TM and I have done and get themselves checked on a regular basis as long as they're continuing to do it.
Can anybody explain to me what BBBJ is "safe" and BBFS is not? I think if you have one, you may as well have the other.
I have the same dislike for condoms as Tampa Monger, and because of that, I too shy away from FS. A good BBBJ CIM will do it for me too. I very rarely have BBFS but for the life of me, I can't see the difference. Enlighten me if you can. Bill Ho
Most mongers fib about barebacking or keep it to themselves. I've kept this to myself for quite a while, but here it is. Back in the days of Tina and Yumi at Osaka, I had BBFSCIP with both of them every single time I saw them except for the very first time with Tina. In fact, I usually saw them together and left a deposit in each, until Yumi left.
So, how did it start? On my first visit with Yumi, she started sucking my cock bare, and it was excellent. She asked if I wanted to fuck, and I said no. I told her I don't like condoms and that a blowjob is good enough for me. Now, Yumi has an exceptional ass for an Asian girl, and I wanted to see it, so I had her stand up and turn around for a bit while I jerked off looking at it. She started playing with her pussy at the same time, which was really hot. My plan was to have her finish me off with a blowjob, but instead, without even asking, she just sat down right on my cock and jammed it into her pussy. (I thought she was just trying to get closer to me so I could touch her ass.) She rode me for a while, and then we ended up doing doggy on the floor. I didn't think she'd let me cum in her pussy, but after a while she started saying "cum my pussy" over and over again. Who am I to tell a girl no? When I left, I thought, "Shit, I probably shouldn't have done that." But the next time I came back I found that I couldn't stop myself. Then I did a double with her and Tina, and Tina did pretty much the same thing without a word (well, except for "cum my pussy"). It was like an addiction. I found myself going twice a week to "make my deposit" (as I called it) in these girls.
Once Osaka was shut down, I came to my senses and went and got tested for the usual stuff. I wasn't worried about HIV of course and I had no symptoms of anything, but I just wanted to be sure. All tests were completely negative.
While BBFS is not something I make a habit of (to say the least), would I do it again if the old Osaka came back and those girls were there? I don't think I'd be able to stop myself.
I just wanted to get that off my chest. Before you leap to criticize me, don't forget that criticizing someone's (un)safe sex practices is against forum rules (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/announcement-forumrules.php). Truth is, I don't actually mind. Say what you want. I knew the risks I was taking and I took them. I gambled and won. But Jackson might have a problem with it, so I'm just warning you in advance.
Because Bill Clinton knows it. That is why he only let Monica do BBBJ for him than BBFS. LOL, Just kidding.
Scientifically, the pathogens causing STD, virus, bacteria and fungus are live creatures, I. E. They need specific environment to live, such as certain pH, temperature, and moisture and nutrients. The environments between mouth and pussy are very different. The latter is very acidic compared with the former. If you ever tasted the juice from the latter, you would understand what I am talking about, LOL.
Plus, the germ-killing agents, lysozyme and other antibodies contents exist in different rate between mouth and pussy.
That is why, HIV can be transmitted through intercourse, but not from oral contact.
Suggest you to read some microbiology textbook because it is important to your life and your hobby.
Xx
Can anybody explain to me what BBBJ is "safe" and BBFS is not? I think if you have one, you may as well have the other.
I have the same dislike for condoms as Tampa Monger, and because of that, I too shy away from FS. A good BBBJ CIM will do it for me too. I very rarely have BBFS but for the life of me, I can't see the difference. Enlighten me if you can. Bill Ho
Tampahunter
08-08-10, 12:09
Went to Osaka last Thurday. Had Kendi, nice looking small girl. Worst experience ever. TS was as bad as it gets, no cleaning of the important parts. Massage was uninspired, never touched the right spots. Had to almost beg for HE; that too was uninspired. I alwsays say never again, but if I'm in the mood and nearby, I go anyhow. Maybe this time will end it for good.
Can anybody explain to me what BBBJ is "safe" and BBFS is not? I think if you have one, you may as well have the other.
I have the same dislike for condoms as Tampa Monger, and because of that, I too shy away from FS. A good BBBJ CIM will do it for me too. I very rarely have BBFS but for the life of me, I can't see the difference. Enlighten me if you can. Bill Ho
The likelihood of either a man or a woman becoming infected with HIV as a result of RECEIVING oral sex is extremely low, as saliva does not contain infectious quantities of HIV.
HIV can be transmitted through intercourse, but not from oral contact.
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The Center for Disease Control disagrees with your statement!!
Can I get HIV from oral sex?
Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex, though it is a less common mode of transmission than other sexual behaviors (anal and vaginal sex). There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex.
If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through
* the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis);
* the lining of the vagina or cervix;
* the lining of the anus; or
* directly into the body through small cuts or open sores.
If the person receiving oral sex has HIV, their blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), or vaginal fluid may contain the virus. Cells lining the mouth of the person performing oral sex may allow HIV to enter their body.
The risk of HIV transmission increases
* if the person performing oral sex has cuts or sores around or in their mouth or throat;
* if the person receiving oral sex ejaculates in the mouth of the person performing oral sex; or
* if the person receiving oral sex has another sexually transmitted disease (STD).
Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV.
If you choose to perform oral sex, and your partner is male,
* use a latex condom on the penis; or
* if you or your partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms can be used.
Studies have shown that latex condoms are very effective, though not perfect, in preventing HIV transmission when used correctly and consistently. If either partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms for either the male or female can be used. For more information about latex condoms, see "Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases."
If you choose to have oral sex, and your partner is female,
* use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the vagina. A latex barrier such as a dental dam reduces the risk of blood or vaginal fluids entering your mouth. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.
If you choose to perform oral sex with either a male or female partner and this sex includes oral contact with your partners anus (analingus or rimming),
* use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the anus. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.
If you would like more information or have personal concerns, call CDC-INFO 24 Hours/Day at 1-800-CDC-INFO (232-4636), 1-888-232-6348 (TTY), in English, en Español.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm
Cheesy Rider
08-08-10, 14:55
TOFTT. Asian employees. Thought that might be a good sign. Turned out to be an absolutely piss-poor massage and no happy ending. I HATE going home with blue balls.
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/thp/1886995607.html
Member #5237
08-08-10, 15:08
Plus, the germ-killing agents, lysozyme and other antibodies contents exist in different rate between mouth and pussy.
That is why, HIV can be transmitted through intercourse, but not from oral contact.
Suggest you to read some microbiology textbook because it is important to your life and your hobby.
XxI am not sure where you are getting your information from, but you are so wrong. In the approx. 30 years that AIDS has been with us, every medical expert has stated that that the AIDS virus can be transmitted thru ALL sexual contact. NEVER once has anyone with any medical background said that oral sex was safe. The risk may be lower, but there is still a risk.
Years ago I worked with a guy who believed he could not get AIDS if he did not cum inside his partner. His reasoning: he said that when he was shooting his cum, in between spurts his dick went into a vacuum mode and it was at this point that he believed he was "sucking out" the womens bodily fluids. The sad part is I am sure he was not the only one who had this idea.
Tampa Monger
08-08-10, 15:29
I've never understood why some mongers get their panties all in a bunch about someone else's risk-taking (or even lack of risk-taking). This is a hobby of calculated risks. Besides STDs, there's the risk of poor (or no) service, bad hygiene, arrest, robbery, violence, and so on. If you're comfortable with your level of risk, what's it to you if someone else decides to take on more (or less)? Why do you care? Does it affect you in any way? No, it doesn't. So don't worry about it and don't bother criticizing it.
I think part of the problem comes from mongers who have no problem with condoms. They just cannot understand that some mongers cannot use condoms, and it isn't a simple thing. If I even see a condom, even in the wrapper, I'll lose my erection. I'm not going to spend years of psychotherapy or whatever it will take to change that. Therefore, if I want to engage in this hobby, I have to go with BBBJ. End of fucking story. It's that, or leave the hobby. A calculated risk. And how many BBBJs can you have before you want some pussy? To tell you the truth, I want pussy a whole lot all the time, but I probably get BBFS 1 - 3 times a year because of the worry and hassle it causes afterwards. I'd like to have it every day, to be honest.
There is still one AMP provider in Tampa Bay who is hot as hell and provides me with BBFS (no CIP) with no questions asked, even though it's rare that I do it. She does charge quite a bit for this service. I won't say who she is, but I will say that she's really a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day. :)
If anybody tell you that you have chance to hit on a highway by a truck, you would ignore it with a laugh. Because the probability is so low that everything body consider it is a non-event.
I would consider the probability to get AIDS as the similar to have a plane crash and lose your life. Just not going to happen to most people!
CDC is crappy when they over-state the birds flue to scare people to death. That was biggest scam in medical history stated by a EU leader, because it was taken advantage by big pharmaceutical company.
News Media like sensational stories to scare people too. When AIDS was discovered, catholic church claimed that is the punishment from God to those gay people. The catholic father told people not to have sex while they manipulate their own church members children.
A mature man should have ability to read news objectively and fairly with enough knowledge he accumulated from his life. Otherwise, you might at risk sometimes because modern life become more and more complicated for average people to handle.
xx
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The Center for Disease Control disagrees with your statement!!
Can I get HIV from oral sex?
Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex, though it is a less common mode of transmission than other sexual behaviors (anal and vaginal sex). There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex.
If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through
* the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis);
* the lining of the vagina or cervix;
* the lining of the anus; or
* directly into the body through small cuts or open sores.
If the person receiving oral sex has HIV, their blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), or vaginal fluid may contain the virus. Cells lining the mouth of the person performing oral sex may allow HIV to enter their body.
The risk of HIV transmission increases
* if the person performing oral sex has cuts or sores around or in their mouth or throat;
* if the person receiving oral sex ejaculates in the mouth of the person performing oral sex; or
* if the person receiving oral sex has another sexually transmitted disease (STD).
Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV.
If you choose to perform oral sex, and your partner is male,
* use a latex condom on the penis; or
* if you or your partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms can be used.
Studies have shown that latex condoms are very effective, though not perfect, in preventing HIV transmission when used correctly and consistently. If either partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms for either the male or female can be used. For more information about latex condoms, see "Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases."
If you choose to have oral sex, and your partner is female,
* use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the vagina. A latex barrier such as a dental dam reduces the risk of blood or vaginal fluids entering your mouth. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.
If you choose to perform oral sex with either a male or female partner and this sex includes oral contact with your partners anus (analingus or rimming),
* use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the anus. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.
If you would like more information or have personal concerns, call CDC-INFO 24 Hours/Day at 1-800-CDC-INFO (232-4636), 1-888-232-6348 (TTY), in English, en Español.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm
It is true that we are responsible to our own decision. I feel sorry for many people who don't know how to calculate the risk level, or chances, probability of risk. For example, many environmentalists who talk about the mercury in fish as a reason to not to eat fish.
Honestly, 70% of medical sciences talking in news media are false (exasperated or understated).
I met a lady co-worker who bought a expensive house far away from her workplace and close to foreclosure. She told me that she made mistake to vote Bush, who caused this problem in her life. Well, why don't you study Bush well before you went to vote? Did she calculated how much money needs to be spent in Iraq to fail this war? Not.
Do more calculation in your life before you decide something important to your life.
Xx
I've never understood why some mongers get their panties all in a bunch about someone else's risk-taking (or even lack of risk-taking). This is a hobby of calculated risks. Besides STDs, there's the risk of poor (or no) service, bad hygiene, arrest, robbery, violence, and so on. If you're comfortable with your level of risk, what's it to you if someone else decides to take on more (or less)? Why do you care? Does it affect you in any way? No, it doesn't. So don't worry about it and don't bother criticizing it.
I think part of the problem comes from mongers who have no problem with condoms. They just cannot understand that some mongers cannot use condoms, and it isn't a simple thing. If I even see a condom, even in the wrapper, I'll lose my erection. I'm not going to spend years of psychotherapy or whatever it will take to change that. Therefore, if I want to engage in this hobby, I have to go with BBBJ. End of fucking story. It's that, or leave the hobby. A calculated risk. And how many BBBJs can you have before you want some pussy? To tell you the truth, I want pussy a whole lot all the time, but I probably get BBFS 1 - 3 times a year because of the worry and hassle it causes afterwards. I'd like to have it every day, to be honest.
There is still one AMP provider in Tampa Bay who is hot as hell and provides me with BBFS (no CIP) with no questions asked, even though it's rare that I do it. She does charge quite a bit for this service. I won't say who she is, but I will say that she's really a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day. :)
Chase Star
08-09-10, 08:14
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The Center for Disease Control disagrees with your statement!!
Can I get HIV from oral sex?
Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex, though it is a less common mode of transmission than other sexual behaviors (anal and vaginal sex). There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex....Though the CDC may disagree with Xiao Xing's blanket statement that HIV can't be transmitted at all from oral contact, Xiao Xing is correct that the level of risk for the PERSON RECEIVING ORAL SEX is so low as to be virtually non-existent. And even you in your preceeding statement admitted that the risk from RECEIVING oral sex is "extremely" low. You should also note a few things from the CDC's own statement that you quoted:
1) "Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex, though it is a less common mode of transmission". "Possible" does NOT necessarily mean likely. And even "less common" does NOT indicate HOW MUCH less common it is. In this case it is probably MUCH less common.
2) "There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV". That is just a few cases out of how many millions of BBBJ's and DATY's (and DATO's) performed since the HIV virus first came out. And that is just a few cases of transmission from PERFORMING oral sex. You should have notice that they could not cite even a single case of transmission to a person RECEIVING oral sex. All that they can suggest there is that it is theoretically possible.
3) For the person to become infected from RECEIVING oral sex several things have to happen, but the most significant thing is that the person performing oral sex must have blood in their mouth because the HIV virus has not been found in significant (any?) quantities in saliva. And for there to be any significant quantity of blood in the mouth that person would have to have cuts or open sores in their mouth. And even then the person receiving it would most likely also have to cuts or open sores on the part of their body receiving the oral sex. The performer sticking their tongue or spitting their bloody saliva into the vagina or anus could also theoretically transmit the virus through the linings of those orifices which they come into direct contact even without the presence of any cuts or sores, but it becomes even less likely that the saliva diluted blood would manage to find its way so easily up the narrow urethra and infect the male recipient. This is why there hasn't been a SINGLE documented cases of ANY person getting HIV just from RECEIVING unprotected oral sex (even gay ones operating in a heavily HIV infected community), let alone any heterosexual males.
4) "While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex." While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, the fact that there have only been a few documented cases of HIV being transmitted through PERFORMING oral sex and NONE by receiving oral sex while there have been many 10's or 100's of thousands of cases being transmitted through unprotected anal or vaginal sex, suggests that the risk is actually MUCH less than it is through those other acts.
5) The vast majority of the CDC article quoted focuses on the risks to the person PERFORMING oral sex rather than to the person RECEIVING oral sex (which got just a few lines).
While the consequences of contracting AIDS are severe (like being in a plane crash), the likelihood of that happening for a man receiving unprotected oral-genital sex from a woman are sufficiently so remote that most men familiar with those odds would choose to accept that tiny tiny risk (just as most people are willing to fly). Even for a woman performing unprotected oral sex, the fact there have been so few (if any) documented cases of a woman contracting HIV in that way and that in those few cases there were probably other contributing factors that increased her risk (her having cuts and sores in her mouth, the guy CIM and having other STD's), means that even she is probably fairly safe from HIV, particularly if she stops short of letting the guy CIM and abstains from performing such acts completely at those times when she has any recent cuts or active sores in her mouth.
Really the concern for either the person performing or receiving oral sex should be MUCH more on OTHER STD's than HIV, particularly herpes. Worrying about getting AIDS from a BBBJ is like worrying about dying in a plane crash. Actually, if you're going to worry about anything, it makes far more sense to worry about getting herpes, which is FAR more likely to be transmitted through receiving oral sex than HIV and, while not fatal, is also incurable.
Though the CDC may disagree with Xiao Xing's blanket statement that HIV can't be transmitted at all from oral contact, Xiao Xing is correct that the level of risk for the PERSON RECEIVING ORAL SEX is so low as to be virtually non-existent. And even you in your preceeding statement admitted that the risk from RECEIVING oral sex is "extremely" low. .
None of which changes the FACT that Xiao Xing's original statement "HIV can be transmitted through intercourse, but not from oral contact." is FALSE.
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"I would consider the probability to get AIDS as the similar to have a plane crash and lose your life. Just not going to happen to most people!" Xiao Xing
True, however if you are the unlucky one, in the first situation have AIDS or in the second you are dead! Slice it or dice it any way you want, your original statement is FALSE.
Chase Star
08-09-10, 16:36
None of which changes the FACT that Xiao Xing's original statement "HIV can be transmitted through intercourse, but not from oral contact." is FALSE.
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"I would consider the probability to get AIDS as the similar to have a plane crash and lose your life. Just not going to happen to most people!" Xiao Xing
True, however if you are the unlucky one, in the first situation have AIDS or in the second you are dead! Slice it or dice it any way you want, your original statement is FALSE.Bush, I think our point is that you're actually the one splitting hairs here. Yes, XX's original statement is technically false from a literal standpoint. So what? No one was contradicting you on that. Our real point is that, whether it is TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE to contract HIV from receiving oral sex (and that is what we're really talking about here since hopefully very few of us ever GIVE BBBJ's) or not, the odds are so remote that it is VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT (in the entire history of the virus there has never been 1 single documented case of HIV being transmitted in that way). No one knows the exact odds, since it has never happened, but it must be something akin to dying in a plane crash or getting struck by lightning (or perhaps even less). Most sensible people who know the odds of such things happening don't worry about it and treat it as though it essentially can't happen. At the very least, the chances of the plane crashing doesn't stop most people from flying and the chances of getting HIV from receiving a BBBJ shouldn't stop most guys from taking that "chance" either.
Lastly, you tried to draw some sort of distinction between dying in a plane crash and getting AIDS. I'm not sure I see your point. I think both cases actually are similarly bad and similarly unlikely. Are you suggesting that living with AIDS is worse than dying a much quicker but also horrific death in a plane crash and that getting BBBJ's is therefore a more foolish chance to take? If that really were the case, then you could always kill yourself after learning you have AIDS and arrive at the exact same result. OTOH, if you're saying that dying in a plane crash is worse, then how does that support your apparent argument that getting BBBJ's is such a foolish chance to take when so many people clearly routinely take worse chances flying? Personally, I think that either outcome is bad but I would much rather take my chances of living with HIV than the quick and certain death of dying in a plane crash (if either were to happen). Of COURSE, no one wants to be the unlucky ONE who suffers the unlikely outcome, whichever it is, but that doesn't mean the MILLIONS of other people who DON'T suffer that fate are going to alter their behavior over that SLIM possibility.
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In the greater scheme of things, this is all a ridiculous argument any way because there are far greater things that we as hobbyists should worry about. The odds of contracting HIV from RECEIVING unprotected oral sex (a BBBJ) may be exceeding small, but the odds of contracting HIV from PROVIDING oral sex (DATY) are something greater and I know that there are MANY hobbyists who also do that (and I doubt many if any use dental dams). Also, while the consequences may not be as extreme, the likelihood of contracting herpes or some other STD from a BBBJ are so much greater than contracting HIV that those should really be a bigger concerns for any one receiving BBBJ's. Then there are the hobbyists like TM and myself who occasionally engage in unprotected heterosexual genital-to-genital sex with providers and many others who also do do BBFS but may not admit it (and may even do it more frequently and regularly than either of us). If you want to talk about a higher risk profile for contracting HIV and other STD's then it makes much more sense to worry about that sort of thing rather than the relatively risk-free BBBJ foreplay. And that is why the more responsible mongers normally draw the line at that point rather than at BBBJ's. And last but not least there is the risk of being arrested for paying to engage in sexual acts WHATEVER they might be (and the possible impact of that to our jobs, marriages, finances, freedom and reputation) and the odds of simply being ripped off by providers who operate in an often seedy and shady underground industry. And both of those are probably even more likely than any health risk we take on with the acts that most of normally do. And yet many guys still accept these risks to participate in this hobby.
Literally, AIDS has been re-defined as chronic disease which the patient can live up to 20-30 years after being infected:
"HIV/AIDS as a Chronic Disease
Emergence From the Plague Model
CHRISTY L. BEAUDIN
University of California, Los Angeles
SUSAN M. CHAMBRÉ
Baruch College, City University of New York
Abstract
The reframing of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) from an acute to a chronic disease brought about a different focus for public policy. Now viewed as the end stage of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), AIDS has emerged from the plague model. Many biological and social forces affected this change, including an increased understanding of HIV and its associated disease processes, radical shifts in the composition and needs of those affected by HIV, advances in biomedical technology, and the expansion of health and social services. This article offers an overview of institutional and social responses to the epidemic and discusses the changing social construction of HIV/AIDS as a chronic illness in a historical model. Psychosocial and health care issues within a continuum of care framework are reviewed and implications for future HIV/AIDS care are considered."
xx
Bush, I think our point is that you're actually the one splitting hairs here. Yes, XX's original statement is technically false from a literal standpoint. So what? No one was contradicting you on that. Our real point is that, whether it is TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE to contract HIV from receiving oral sex (and that is what we're really talking about here since hopefully very few of us ever GIVE BBBJ's) or not, the odds are so remote that it is VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT (in the entire history of the virus there has never been 1 single documented case of HIV being transmitted in that way). No one knows the exact odds, since it has never happened, but it must be something akin to dying in a plane crash or getting struck by lightning (or perhaps even less). Most sensible people who know the odds of such things happening don't worry about it and treat it as though it essentially can't happen. At the very least, the chances of the plane crashing doesn't stop most people from flying and the chances of getting HIV from receiving a BBBJ shouldn't stop most guys from taking that "chance" either.
Lastly, you tried to draw some sort of distinction between dying in a plane crash and getting AIDS. I'm not sure I see your point. I think both cases actually are similarly bad and similarly unlikely. Are you suggesting that living with AIDS is worse than dying a much quicker but also horrific death in a plane crash and that getting BBBJ's is therefore a more foolish chance to take? If that really were the case, then you could always kill yourself after learning you have AIDS and arrive at the exact same result. OTOH, if you're saying that dying in a plane crash is worse, then how does that support your apparent argument that getting BBBJ's is such a foolish chance to take when so many people clearly routinely take worse chances flying? Personally, I think that either outcome is bad but I would much rather take my chances of living with HIV than the quick and certain death of dying in a plane crash (if either were to happen). Of COURSE, no one wants to be the unlucky ONE who suffers the unlikely outcome, whichever it is, but that doesn't mean the MILLIONS of other people who DON'T suffer that fate are going to alter their behavior over that SLIM possibility.
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In the greater scheme of things, this is all a ridiculous argument any way because there are far greater things that we as hobbyists should worry about. The odds of contracting HIV from RECEIVING unprotected oral sex (a BBBJ) may be exceeding small, but the odds of contracting HIV from PROVIDING oral sex (DATY) are something greater and I know that there are MANY hobbyists who also do that (and I doubt many if any use dental dams). Also, while the consequences may not be as extreme, the likelihood of contracting herpes or some other STD from a BBBJ are so much greater than contracting HIV that those should really be a bigger concerns for any one receiving BBBJ's. Then there are the hobbyists like TM and myself who occasionally engage in unprotected heterosexual genital-to-genital sex with providers and many others who also do do BBFS but may not admit it (and may even do it more frequently and regularly than either of us). If you want to talk about a higher risk profile for contracting HIV and other STD's then it makes much more sense to worry about that sort of thing rather than the relatively risk-free BBBJ foreplay. And that is why the more responsible mongers normally draw the line at that point rather than at BBBJ's. And last but not least there is the risk of being arrested for paying to engage in sexual acts WHATEVER they might be (and the possible impact of that to our jobs, marriages, finances, freedom and reputation) and the odds of simply being ripped off by providers who operate in an often seedy and shady underground industry. And both of those are probably even more likely than any health risk we take on with the acts that most of normally do. And yet many guys still accept these risks to participate in this hobby.
EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!
Whale Hunter
08-11-10, 22:11
Probably not the right thread for this question.
But all this STD talk got me thinking. I have on occasion succumbed to temporary insanity and under duress allowed BBBJ. Fight as I may. The little guy takes control and wins the battle every time.
Can any one provide a lead on where to get a check up? I asked my GP and found out it can cost close to 500$ to test for everything and insurance will not cover it.
Also, a bit of anonymity would be nice. Would hate to leave that kind of paper trail.
Any one know a clinic and a price, would be much appreciated.
Cheers
Smutmeister
08-11-10, 22:58
Probably not the right thread for this question.
but all this STD talk got me thinking. I have on occasion succumbed to temporary insanity and under duress allowed BBBJ. Fight as I may... the little guy takes control and wins the battle every time.
Can any one provide a lead on where to get a check up? I asked my GP and found out it can cost close to 500$ to test for everything and insurance will not cover it.
Also, a bit of anonymity would be nice. Would hate to leave that kind of paper trail.
Any one know a clinic and a price, would be much appreciated.
CheersIf you're in the Hillsborough county area you can recieve free STD and HIV screenings on a walk-in basis at the Kennedy Blvd location. I think there are other health department locations, but I know you can get the testing done at the Kennedy location Monday thru Friday.
Tampa Monger
08-11-10, 23:06
Probably not the right thread for this question...
but all this STD talk got me thinking. I have on occasion succumbed to temporary insanity and under duress allowed BBBJ. Fight as I may... the little guy takes control and wins the battle every time.
Can any one provide a lead on where to get a check up? I asked my GP and found out it can cost close to 500$ to test for everything and insurance will not cover it.
Also, a bit of anonymity would be nice. Would hate to leave that kind of paper trail.
Any one know a clinic and a price, would be much appreciated.
CheersI use LabSafe (http://www.labsafe.com/). They are discreet, but not necessarily as cheap as you're looking for. I've literally gotten thousands of BBBJs in 15 years of mongering and gotten absolutely nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. I'll be positively astounded if you've gotten anything at all.
The chance to get is similar to get a plane crash when you fly.
xx
I use LabSafe (http://www.labsafe.com/). They are discreet, but not necessarily as cheap as you're looking for. I've literally gotten thousands of BBBJs in 15 years of mongering and gotten absolutely nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. I'll be positively astounded if you've gotten anything at all.
Whale Hunter
08-11-10, 23:43
I use LabSafe (http://www.labsafe.com/). They are discreet, but not necessarily as cheap as you're looking for. I've literally gotten thousands of BBBJs in 15 years of mongering and gotten absolutely nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. I'll be positively astounded if you've gotten anything at all.
Thx TM.
That is the price I was afraid of.
Any one know of a cheaper place? That test would put a serious dent in my "entertainment" budget... Might even force me to start reading the Street walker thread... NO Wait!! STDs is what i'm trying to avoid here... never mind. Lol
thanks TM.
That is the price I was afraid of.
Any one know of a cheaper place? That test would put a serious dent in my "entertainment" budget. Might even force me to start reading the Street walker thread. NO Wait! STDs is what I'm trying to avoid here. Never mind. LOLI believe the health department does the testing and it's either free or real cheap. I have also had many BBBJ in the past and felt bad after but have been lucky not to get anything either.
Good Luck
Hard Working 19
08-12-10, 07:37
The Hillsborough County Health Department offers low cost, or free depending on income, anonymous testing and treatment for STD's. The main office is located on the corner of Nebraska and Kennedy in downtown Tampa.
Probably not the right thread for this question...
but all this STD talk got me thinking. I have on occasion succumbed to temporary insanity and under duress allowed BBBJ. Fight as I may... the little guy takes control and wins the battle every time.
Can any one provide a lead on where to get a check up? I asked my GP and found out it can cost close to 500$ to test for everything and insurance will not cover it.
Also, a bit of anonymity would be nice. Would hate to leave that kind of paper trail.
Any one know a clinic and a price, would be much appreciated.
Cheers
I ask my Urologist and he advised to get tested only for Hep and Aids All other STDs have symptoms and since I have no symptoms, he considered those a waste of money.
I went to a regular place for the blood test and got a $299 bill in the mail. I ignored the bill for 60 days and a new bill send to me was reduced to $99 which I paid.
I do it about every 6 months and so far have always tested negative.
PS: I always go for BBBJ and DATY wherever I can get it. Bill Ho
Probably not the right thread for this question...
but all this STD talk got me thinking. I have on occasion succumbed to temporary insanity and under duress allowed BBBJ. Fight as I may... the little guy takes control and wins the battle every time.
Can any one provide a lead on where to get a check up? I asked my GP and found out it can cost close to 500$ to test for everything and insurance will not cover it.
Also, a bit of anonymity would be nice. Would hate to leave that kind of paper trail.
Any one know a clinic and a price, would be much appreciated.
Cheers
The Hillsborough County Health Department offers low cost, or free depending on income, anonymous testing and treatment for STD's. The main office is located on the corner of Nebraska and Kennedy in downtown Tampa.I too have used the Hillsborough County Health Department in the past. It was free and anonymous. The only bad thing was they were'nt as friendly as most doctors. I can still feel the lady cramming the oversized q-tip up you know what.
Good luck
Chase Star
08-12-10, 09:45
I realize that this isn't the safe sex thread but as long as we're on the topic and the subect of where to go in Tampa has come up, you might also want to visit the county immunization clinic near 50th and Adamo (4951B E Adamo Dr, Ste 210 to be precise) for your Hep B vaccination. Its a series of 3 shots (good for life) at $38/shot. Although it is not a STD, you might also want to go for the Hep A shots at the same time by getting the Twinrex series instead at $54/shot (and make sure your Tet/Dip shot is also up-to-date since its probably been more than 10yrs since your last one and it only costs $29). Unfortunately, there is no current immunization shot for Hep C but, although transmittable sexually, it is rarely contracted that way. Hep B may be a somewhat less common as an STD but, if you're gonna have sex with multiple partners of questionable background, this is a fairly easy and simple precaution to take and makes it just one less thing to have to worry about.
BTW, we all have our own comfort levels and risk tolerances, but I really don't think Whale Hunter should be so worried about (or reluctant to get) BBBJ's any way. As I said before the risk of getting HIV from RECEIVING a BBBJ is so rare (no documented cases at all in the entire history of the virus) that it is ESSENTIALLY non-existent. Contracting other STD's from a BBBJ are more possible and should be a bigger concern but are still fairly rare. I've known and discussed this subject with upwards of a hundred or more mongers who have received literally 1000's (if not 10's of thousands) of BBBJ's during their mongering careers and not one has reported getting an STD from a BBBJ alone. These same guys have also performed similar numbers of DATY's and I know of only 1 case of a guy who might have caught a treatable throat infection from it. Of course it never hurts to avoid pussies (or mouths) that look and/or smell questionable and also refrain from any DATY when you have and cuts or sores in your own mouth.
I'm NOT a doctor, so you should take this all from where it comes, but IMHO the main thing that we as mongers should be worried about is the BBFS that started this discussion. TM threw the dice on that one and came out clean and, IMHO, most of the time if you're reasonable selective (meaning personally I'd never go BBFS with a skanky crackwhore) you'll probably come out safely too (depending on how often you do it), but the risk with that sort of practice is several orders of magnitude worse than it is for these other foreplay activities that we've been discussing.
BBBJ's any way. As I said before the risk of getting HIV from RECEIVING a BBBJ is so rare (no documented cases at all in the entire history of the virus) that it is ESSENTIALLY non-existent.Why are you so sure that there are no documented cases?
Here's a source that doesn't agree with you.
"Are there any individual documented cases of HIV transmission during oral sex?
While it is very difficult to ever know how HIV transmission occurred, according to a factsheet on oral sex produced by the CDC in 20005, there have been a few documented cases of transmission during oral sex. These have occurred in both receptive and active partners during fellatio, cunnilingus and anilingus."
http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm
Tampa Monger
08-12-10, 15:23
Why are you so sure that there are no documented cases?
Here's a source that doesn't agree with you.
"Are there any individual documented cases of HIV transmission during oral sex?
While it is very difficult to ever know how HIV transmission occurred, according to a factsheet on oral sex produced by the CDC in 20005, there have been a few documented cases of transmission during oral sex. These have occurred in both receptive and active partners during fellatio, cunnilingus and anilingus."
http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm
OK, so a handful of people got it. Those are what can best be described as "plane crash odds". In other words, it'd be spectacularly awful if it happened, but I'll take my chances with something that probably has a risk factor of 0.0015% (which happens to roughly be the lifetime odds of an American dying in a plane crash). At that level of risk, eating a bad diet is far, far, far more likely to kill you.
However, if you really want to wrap it up to avoid the microscopically tiny risk of a BBBJ, I can't fault you. As I've said many times, it's your life, and you choose the level of risk you're comfortable with. I'll stick to enjoying the bare sensations of a warm, wet mouth on my cock and watching her swallow the gravy. :)
And now we should probably get back to discussing K-girls before Jackson yells at us all for getting off-topic.
Chase Star
08-12-10, 18:14
Why are you so sure that there are no documented cases?
Here's a source that doesn't agree with you.
"Are there any individual documented cases of HIV transmission during oral sex?
While it is very difficult to ever know how HIV transmission occurred, according to a factsheet on oral sex produced by the CDC in 2005, there have been a few documented cases of transmission during oral sex. These have occurred in both receptive and active partners during fellatio, cunnilingus and anilingus."
http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htmActually, if you re-read that quote, it still doesn't specifically confirm that there have been any documented cases of transmission of HIV to the guy having his dick sucked. It does say that of the FEW documented cases of transmission during ALL TYPES of oral sex that includes transmission to both the receptive and active partners. However, it doesn't say WHICH of the types of oral sex have had cases of transmission in either direction. Since there have only been a FEW documented cases of transmission of HIV from oral sex of any form AND because (in the case of fellatio) the risk to the partner doing the fellating (sometimes referred to as the receptive partner) is so much greater (though still very slim) than the risk to the fellatee (or insertive partner), the way your quote is written the number of documented cases of transmission to partner being blown could easily be as few as ONE ... OR EVEN NONE AT ALL, as I maintain, if it came from one of the other forms of oral sex. So your quote does NOT really necessarily contradict at all what I've read elsewhere, that there is NO DOCUMENTED risk of HIV transmission to the guy having his dick sucked, only a much much smaller THEORETICAL risk,.
Here is another report that I was able to find with just a quick Google search, that further clarifies what has been documented:
There have been a number of studies that have closely followed MSM and heterosexual couples, in which one partner was HIV positive and the other partner was HIV negative. In all of the studies, couples that used condoms consistently and correctly during every experience of vaginal or anal sex—but didn't use condoms during oral sex—did not see HIV spread from the HIV positive partner to the HIV negative partner.
There have been three case reports and a few studies suggesting that some people have been infected with HIV as a result of unprotected oral sex. However, these case reports and studies all involved MSM—men who were the receptive partners (the person doing the "sucking") during unprotected oral sex with another HIV-positive man. There haven't been any case reports or studies documenting HIV infection among female receptive partners during unprotected oral sex. Even more importantly, there hasn't been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked") during unprotected oral sex, either among MSM or heterosexuals.
Is insertive oral sex a possible route of HIV transmission? Yes. But is it a documented risk? Absolutely not. source: http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/Transmission_9963.shtml
Even the source that YOU provided describes these 2 interesting studies if you had read it further:
A programme in San Francisco studied 198 people, nearly all gay or bisexual men. The subjects stated that they had only had oral sex for a year, from six months preceding the six-month study to its end. 20 per cent of the study participants (39 people) reported performing oral sex on partners they knew to be HIV positive. 35 of those did not use a condom and 16 reported swallowing semen. No one became HIV positive during the study ... In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not led to any cases of HIV transmission.These studies included what most of us would consider much higher risk populations either gay men having unprotected oral sex or heterosexuals having unprotected oral sex with partners KNOWN to be already infected and yet not even any of the persons PROVIDING the BJ's contracted the virus.
Your article goes on to conclude "At the 4th International Oral AIDS Conference held in South Africa, the risk of transmission through oral sex was estimated to be approximately 0.04 per cent per contact." And that .04% includes the much higher risk to the persons providing BJ's, DATY's or DATO's so the theoretical risk of transmission through fellatio to the guy having his dick sucked is at the very least substantially less than even that low rate.
Besides, as TM has already pointed out, even IF there HAVE been a 1-2 documented cases of a guy getting HIV from being blown, that number is so tiny and insignificant out of the millions of BBBJ's that are given every year that it might just as well be considered non-existent. This is not to say that one should be entirely unconcerned about getting BBBJ's. As both TM and I have pointed out, each person has their own level of risk tolerance and comfort. But if you add to that the fact that HIV is now considered a condition (albeit one I certainly wouldn't want to get) rather than an automatic death sentence (like being in a plane crash) AND the fact that other STD's (in particular Herpes which, while perhaps not as undesirable as HIV, also happens to be incurable) are MUCH MUCH more likely to be contracted from receiving a BBBJ (though still not so great that it would stop MOST of us from getting one), it seems to me if you're going to worry about anything it makes far more sense to worry about getting one of those other STD's rather than the really really remote possibility that you'll become the 1st ever documented case of a guy getting HIV from a BBBJ.
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/thp/1888732918.html
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/thp/1892877686.html
After TOFTT all that needs to be said is to avoid this one.
Clinton Bush
08-13-10, 01:55
....Contracting other STD's ......These same guys have also performed similar numbers of DATY's and I know of only 1 case of a guy who might have caught a treatable throat infection from it. Of course it never hurts to avoid pussies (or mouths) that look and/or smell questionable and also refrain from any DATY when you have and cuts or sores in your own mouth.
Due to my experiences, you now know 2 more cases of STD's from DATY.
I really, really love DATY so I knowingly took the risk. The ladies in question are really good people. They did not knowingly give me their STDs. So I will not name them or their AMPS either here or by PM. DO NOT ask me for further information.
I will say
*Both providers are exceptionally clean.
*Both providers have excellent reviews on the St. Petersburg Massage Parlor board.
*Both providers are in very high demand and are very popular.
*Both providers are unquestionably THE girl to see at their AMP.
*Both AMPs would rank in anyone's list of top 5 Asian MPs in St Petersburg.
Since I always use a cover for everything, my doctor confirmed that in both cases the cause for my throat infections (turned out to be Chlamydia and Gonorrhea) had to be DATY. Both infections started less than a week after the DATY. The Chlamydia occurred about a year ago and went away in several weeks after antibiotics. I shrugged it off as a blip on the radar and resumed my "dirty dining". My more recent bout with the big G took a longer time to cure and was very painful. After a frank talk with my doctor who is younger, a single guy and very cool, I decided to give up DATY.
Think about it. Both girls are high volume and both love receiving DATY. I may have been the 12th diner licking the plate that day. Due to the volume, there simply isn't time for them to shower, wipe down with alcohol etc. Not that it would eliminate STDs, but it might help clean some of the germs and bacteria away and reduce the chance of catching something. My doctor said I ended up sharing something left by an earlier monger down at the Y. He also said Chlamydia was reasonably common and Gonorrhea was somewhat rare from DATY. He agreed no recorded HIV cases from DATY.
From reading here, I gather that BBFS is available to certain customers from one of the ladies which I would think would also increase the risk of catching an STD. I would think DATY daily volume also enters into it. Perhaps a low volume escort would present a much lower risk.
Stay Safe.
Tampa Monger
08-13-10, 02:25
Guys, I'm telling you, Jackson is going to put the kibosh on this discussion pretty soon and tell us to get back to discussing pay-for-play at massage parlors. I strongly suggest we do exactly that.
You know how he hates safe sex discussions (except in the appropriate thread), though I'm guilty as charged for starting this one.
Friday Katz
08-15-10, 21:52
Patricia M. advertises a "45$ Full Body Massage by Friendly Female LMT" at Busch and 42nd Street. I saw her and got a strictly legit massage. It was very good but no extras offered. She rents workspace from Liz of Serenity who is rabidly anti-sensual. Oh well, at least it was inexpensive and didn't take place in Zephyrhills.
Member #6210
08-16-10, 03:21
Katz just an FYI. If you see an ad for a LMT that means Licensed Masseuse Therapist. This is a person who went to school to learn how to give an actual massage, not a rubdown before getting to extras. Real LMT don't give extras, they give massages. They also don't hassled by police.
Patricia M. advertises a "45$ Full Body Massage by Friendly Female LMT" at Busch and 42nd Street. I saw her and got a strictly legit massage. It was very good but no extras offered. She rents workspace from Liz of Serenity who is rabidly anti-sensual. Oh well, at least it was inexpensive and didn't take place in Zephyrhills.
\I have visited her several times for a massage. It's the best value out there for a very good therapeutic massage ($45). However as stated I don't believe xtras are to be had.
Hey Friday, if you are satisfied with an exellent straight massage (with draping) by a super therapist, I have found a Spa in Riverview, on US-301 and Big Bend Rd for $25.00
That's right, one hour for $25, and it is super. I go there every two weeks between my "sensual" ($100) massages to see "Maria" for an absolute heavenly treatment.
The draping kind of bothers me but the price and the quality of the massage makes up for it. As far as I can assertein, no extras are available at any cost. Bill Ho
Patricia M. advertises a "45$ Full Body Massage by Friendly Female LMT" at Busch and 42nd Street. I saw her and got a strictly legit massage. It was very good but no extras offered. She rents workspace from Liz of Serenity who is rabidly anti-sensual. Oh well, at least it was inexpensive and didn't take place in Zephyrhills.
Big Monger, you need to loosen up. I am seeing three LMT for an excellent therapeutic massage with BBBJ HE. Yes Virginia, there is such a thing.
Bill Ho
Katz just an FYI. If you see an ad for a LMT that means Licensed Masseuse Therapist. This is a person who went to school to learn how to give an actual massage, not a rubdown before getting to extras. Real LMT don't give extras, they give massages. They also don't hassled by police.
Friday Katz
08-16-10, 17:22
Bill Ho is correct. I've seen LMTs that have provided excellent extras (no FS . . . yet) and, as Big Monger 22 pointed out, the vast majority of LMTs don't. However, exploring for the ones that do is part of the fun of the hunt.
Littleshyguy
08-16-10, 17:37
So, I was in town, had plans with another lady that fell through. No back-up plan, so I decided to splurge.
Returned to Yoshiko. Haven't been there in forever. I'm not from Tampa area and their price point is generally too high. Besides, I knew they had some trouble a while back, so wasn't sure what to expect. Decided to take the chance.
Greeted by a very hot young lady. Jay by name and easily an 8 on the AMP scale. Usual cover for one hour. $80. She gave me a thorough and playful TS which I enjoyed. Back to room and pretty good massage. Maybe a 6 on the AMP scale.
Relatively soon, she asked if I was happy. I told her what I might enjoy and she said it would cost more. Yoshiko more, that is. Still a bit of sticker shock, but she was so darn cute. Didn't take much longer after that (embarrassingly enough) and I was out the door. Only about 45 mintues total.
Jay is very pretty and quiet, but she has a wicked grin. Yoshiko always seems to cost a lot, but at least their ladies are great to look at and know what it takes to make a happy customer.
Bill Ho is correct. I've seen LMTs that have provided excellent extras (no FS . . . yet) and, as Big Monger 22 pointed out, the vast majority of LMTs don't. However, exploring for the ones that do is part of the fun of the hunt.
And, to keep them from getting hassled by the police they shouldn't be discussed in the open.
Sexy Cytoguy
08-16-10, 22:13
Guys,
Went by Serenity Spa and they are currently closed. There is a sign there that says "CLOSED, NEW OWNER, WILL RE-OPEN SEPT 1".
Just wanted to make everyone aware. Being that they have a new owner now, their offering of "almost no menu at all" may change. Maybe the menu will change, one can only hope.
Guys, these girls are diamonds in the ruff, here for 2 more days and then back to Ft Lauderdale. Pics are totally accurate, super friendly, ever playful, (antithesis of Zephyrhills!) and pure ecstacy.
In looking at their ads, I sensed an almost too good to be true aura, yet something in my monger instinct and google told me that this might actually be a good investment, so the hunter in me prevailed.
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-caribbean-experience-in-town-for-3-days-21/4176520
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/o-o-asian-mixed-o/4178727
I saw these girls last nite, still have a smile on my face.
Cheers!!
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PeterPiper52
08-17-10, 13:41
Bill Ho is correct. I've seen LMTs that have provided excellent extras (no FS . . . yet) and, as Big Monger 22 pointed out, the vast majority of LMTs don't. However, exploring for the ones that do is part of the fun of the hunt.There's a girl who advertises on CL by the name of Emily.
If this girl gave any kind of a happy ending, she'd be rolling in serious moolah.
Bill Ho is correct. I've seen LMTs that have provided excellent extras (no FS . . . yet) and, as Big Monger 22 pointed out, the vast majority of LMTs don't. However, exploring for the ones that do is part of the fun of the hunt.There is an LMT in Ft Lauderdale. Massage by Sydney IIRC. Outstanding and a must C. I was down on business a few years back and saw her several times. Rock hard body, former dancer. Wide variety of a menu and finishes with a awesome massage. If she was here I would be broke.
Her rates are very reasonable too. If anybody is in Ft Laud she is a must C. The only downside depending on your preferences is a furry kitty.
http://www.massagebysydney.com/index.php?p=1_2_Rates-and-Reviews
Wondering if anyone has seen this provider. She advertises under body rub of BP. We've emailed/texted a bit, and she even emailed me more revealing pics. She seems willing to add "upgrades", though the upgrades appear to be nudity/dancing. Curious if anyone has had any experiences with her.
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/3have-a-very-sexy-day-w-a-blissful-body-rub-by-the-bay3-incall-24/4061157
Four For 5
08-18-10, 12:40
Wondering if anyone has seen this provider. She advertises under body rub of BP. We've emailed/texted a bit, and she even emailed me more revealing pics. She seems willing to add "upgrades", though the upgrades appear to be nudity/dancing. Curious if anyone has had any experiences with her.
http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/3have-a-very-sexy-day-w-a-blissful-body-rub-by-the-bay3-incall-24/4061157
I'm in the same boat. I've been in email contact with her too, but her infrequent ads, and seemingly inability to work with my schedule, what her ad says to the contrary (a LEish flag for me), Rocky Point location (Kimber territory) have made me perhaps overly cautious.
She sent me a list of her menu today and it was quite long and only included lapdances, strip teases and massage. So, definitely not FS from what I can tell despite rates going into the 18. 0 and 19. 0 range. Also, her initial email to me was from her personal email account, which is her full name. (She has since switched to a new email). So, I of course decided to google her and I have seen her ******* page, modeling page, where she went to high school, college, etc. I don't think she is LE. It's really her service that I am wondering about.
I'm in the same boat. I've been in email contact with her too, but her infrequent ads, and seemingly inability to work with my schedule, what her ad says to the contrary (a LEish flag for me), Rocky Point location (Kimber territory) have made me perhaps overly cautious.
John Certero
08-23-10, 11:22
Hey guys I was just wondering if anyone had any recent info in the Bay area.
Just looking for some alternatives preferably some that tend to stay open later past 12? The time thing is preferable but not a must. I like a good solid unrushed massage and of course an attractive provider doesn't hurt either :D
I enjoy O2 and repeat when I can. I have also tried Japanese spa and my experience there was somewhat lackluster. I was just looking for some alternatives in that area ex Kennedy spa, yokohama etc etc. I have also noticed some new ads for a lucky penny spa.. Any info would be appreciated PMs are fine if preferred. Thanks in advance.
Hey guys I was just wondering if anyone had any recent info in the Bay area.
Just looking for some alternatives preferably some that tend to stay open later past 12? The time thing is preferable but not a must. I like a good solid unrushed massage and of course an attractive provider doesn't hurt either :D
I enjoy O2 and repeat when I can. I have also tried Japanese spa and my experience there was somewhat lackluster. I was just looking for some alternatives in that area ex Kennedy spa, yokohama etc etc. I have also noticed some new ads for a lucky penny spa.. Any info would be appreciated PMs are fine if preferred. Thanks in advance.
Saw CiCi at Yokohama a few days ago. Nice TS plenty of attention to the boys and nether region. Followed by a decent massage of the butt, legs and feet (by request). A little more teasing at the backdoor and the flip. Plenty of roaming allowed, top and bottom. Nice finish...60 for 30 and 60 more...open till 2 AM.
BTW Nagoya was closed for renovation or new management and O2 was closed as well...before midnight. I recall going to O2 at 2 AM before.
Harley2007
08-28-10, 15:55
Its has been a while since my last visit to Oxygen on Kennedy...I thought that I read here a while back that Tina had gone or relocated so I didn't bother to ask for her, however my visit with Cindy was very good. She is late 30's, 5'6", 34B...exec TS with proper attention in all areas, some longer than others!! Very Good massage, deep where I needed it. I had just came from the chiropractor so I skipped the back walk. Before for the flip I said more softer massage and her strokes turned from therapeutic to sensual with excellent attention in all areas...so much so that I lost it before I could turn over. Had a great visit with Cindy with fair amount of hand roaming. As I was leaving I ran into Tina, who game me a big hug and said please come back soon...I will next time in Tampa!!
Be Safe
HD2007
Tampasocks
09-05-10, 16:29
I went to Body Sage on Kennedy. I saw there ad on backpage and thought I'd give it a try. After I paid the 0. 8 I found out that this excellent look woman was Chinese. Instantly I realized that there would be no extras here.
I did the usual hints to let her know I was interested in a different menu. She rejected every advance. Long story short, I left even more frustrated than I arrived. Will not repeat.
Looks: A-
Massage: C
Extras: F
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