IE Sugar Forum

[Ace McNasty]

Ace, can you start up a new thread for " IE Sugarbaby Intel " or similar? I tried but didn't have access. Trying to share some SB Intel and reports. Thanks.


I second that.Here you go. Geographically speaking, the IE is much bigger than LA, OC, SD, and SFV combined. I consider the western border to be the 71 fwy to Pomona, the southern limit to Temecula, the northern border to be the Apple Valley, and the eastern border to be Palm Springs.

SB-wise, I have had plenty of success in the IE. About 90% of my sugaring is between OC and IE and the other 10% LA and SD.

[FarFarAway]

I work in Riverside at times, and it is a good way for me to meet up w / SBs out of my home base. I have a few I saw in the past year, none of them I would like to release into the wild.

[ClimbingUp]

Thanks for starting the thread Ace.

I'm about one month into SA and it's been worth it so far. There seems to be lots of potential in the area that I'm targeting. Pretty much if you drew a triangle from San Bernadino to Riverside to Claremont. One successful connection so far with a kinky low 30's single mom. Casual meet and greet first and then a couple 300 ppm trysts. I do covered by choice but the experience is still a fun change up from the usual mechanical AMP or escort experience.

I'm curious what kind of mileage you guys are getting and with what typical donations. I'm pretty up front about 300 ppm and so far getting decent interest from cute curvy latinas around 25-35 yo. A decent amount of girls still want 500 but I don't feel the need to entertain that unless they are a true bombshell. I've stopped bothering with the bombshell dancer level girls because they seem to all demand way too much. I'd rather escort if it's going to take 500 plus addition date fees.

Oh yeah, any tips for hosting options? I fould https://www.daybreakhotels.com/US/en-US and https://www.dayuse.com/ that has some availability around ontario airport area.

[FarFarAway]

Thanks for starting the thread Ace.

I'm about one month into SA and it's been worth it so far. There seems to be lots of potential in the area that I'm targeting. Pretty much if you drew a triangle from San Bernadino to Riverside to Claremont. One successful connection so far with a kinky low 30's single mom. Casual meet and greet first and then a couple 300 ppm trysts. I do covered by choice but the experience is still a fun change up from the usual mechanical AMP or escort experience.

I'm curious what kind of mileage you guys are getting and with what typical donations. I'm pretty up front about 300 ppm and so far getting decent interest from cute curvy latinas around 25-35 yo. A decent amount of girls still want 500 but I don't feel the need to entertain that unless they are a true bombshell. I've stopped bothering with the bombshell dancer level girls because they seem to all demand way too much. I'd rather escort if it's going to take 500 plus addition date fees.

Oh yeah, any tips for hosting options? I fould https://www.daybreakhotels.com/US/en-US and https://www.dayuse.com/ that has some availability around Ontario airport area.Thanks for the info about DayBreak. I have used the other one, and hotelsbyday, before, but it is always tough to get a place in the right city at the right price. I have rigorous opsec, so I have the girl book the room and then reimburse in addition.

I have been giving 300 or 400.

[Shoot47]

Thanks for starting the thread Ace.

I'm about one month into SA and it's been worth it so far. There seems to be lots of potential in the area that I'm targeting. Pretty much if you drew a triangle from San Bernadino to Riverside to Claremont. One successful connection so far with a kinky low 30's single mom. Casual meet and greet first and then a couple 300 ppm trysts. I do covered by choice but the experience is still a fun change up from the usual mechanical AMP or escort experience.

I'm curious what kind of mileage you guys are getting and with what typical donations. I'm pretty up front about 300 ppm and so far getting decent interest from cute curvy latinas around 25-35 yo. A decent amount of girls still want 500 but I don't feel the need to entertain that unless they are a true bombshell. I've stopped bothering with the bombshell dancer level girls because they seem to all demand way too much. I'd rather escort if it's going to take 500 plus addition date fees.

Oh yeah, any tips for hosting options? I fould https://www.daybreakhotels.com/US/en-US and https://www.dayuse.com/ that has some availability around ontario airport area.I do 300-400, but it seems 70% of the girls I've been chat wants 500+.

[FarFarAway]

I do 300-400, but it seems 70% of the girls I've been chat wants 500+.If you negotiate $ online, before meeting, that is what you should expect. You have to M&G them, never talk $ before that. Have a little gift (a single rose, $5 at Albertsons) for the M&G, make her swoon, make her think you don't think she's a hooker.

[R Ryder]

If you negotiate $ online, before meeting, that is what you should expect. You have to M&G them, never talk $ before that. Have a little gift (a single rose, $5 at Albertsons) for the M&G, make her swoon, make her think you don't think she's a hooker.I posted this on the LA forum. But I recently resigned up with SA. I've had 2 very successful arrangements. One ended up living with me for a year until she decided to move for school. I've sent out 99 messages and not a single message back. WTH. What's your approach? Do I just send out a message with a number or what? I've tried to hit 8 D in the beginning but stopped to messaging 3's and 4's just to get message back. But still nada. Help a brother out.

[Ace McNasty]

Oh yeah, any tips for hosting options? I fould https://www.daybreakhotels.com/US/en-US and https://www.dayuse.com/ that has some availability around ontario airport area.Plenty of hourly motels in the IE. I have used about 10 or 12 in the last decade of mongering. As far west as Upland and as far east as Palm Springs. However, I only used them in a pinch for escorts who can only do outcall. For my SB's I always use chain hotels. I have hundreds of thousands of Rewards and VIP freq flyer points that I can literally stay for an entire month at any Hilton or Marriott property and the entire stay will be comped. Since taking a SB to the FC involves a lot of planning, I can use my points to get a room. But as you know, check in is after 4 pm. So if I am banging an Hx girl or a PD chick and she can only do outcall at 11 am, then these hourly motels come in handy.

I sugar in the PNW and also in Henderson during my business trips. Since I am already staying at a Marriott, I already have a private FC room for my POTs and M&G girls.

[Ace McNasty]

Begins with one baby step forward.


Thanks for starting the thread Ace.

I'm about one month into SA and it's been worth it so far. You got a long way to go LOL. I started using Hx pretty heavy in 2011, seekingarrangement in 2016, and privatedelights in 2018.

Hundreds and hundreds of escorts, hoes, and sugar babies notched in my nasty bedpost ha ha ha!

In the Air Force you need 5 confirmed kills to be labeled an "Ace". What does this make me? I am the fucking Red Baron of commercial pussy!

[ColoHobbyist]

Since taking a SB to the FC involves a lot of planning, I can use my points to get a room. But as you know, check in is after 4 pm. So if I am banging an Hx girl or a PD chick and she can only do outcall at 11 am, then these hourly motels come in handy.A couple of things that might be useful to you Ace (and others, obviously).

- First off is that, like you, I've got tons of nights worth of points with Hilton, Marriott, and Wyndham. As a byproduct, I've also got status in each of these programs that provides early check-in and / or late check-out. Both can be hugely useful for a daytime tryst.

- When availability for the above isn't working, I use dayuse.com and hotelsbyday.com Both have their own frequency programs (although often hotels will also award regular points for a stay, even though they're not actually supposed to). They're generally about $ and for a clean, modern room, I think that's a fair value vs the hourly no-tell spots.

In any event, I kinda get off on leaving a day-use room with the sheets on the floor and a giant wet spot on the bed. LOL.

[Shoot47]

All the seeking girls chatted this week are all looking for 600+ , some are asking high amount for M&G, at the same time they are just average looking girls. Am I behind the times too much or what?

Just last year I could still meet good looking young girls with nice body for $300-400?

[Manuel128]

All the seeking girls chatted this week are all looking for 600+ , some are asking high amount for M&G, at the same time they are just average looking girls. Am I behind the times too much or what?

Just last year I could still meet good looking young girls with nice body for $300-400?That's crazy. Prices are only going up like this because people are willing to pay it. Guys should say no these prices. I stick to AMPs anyways as I like to stay anonymous. Manny.

[FarFarAway]

All the seeking girls chatted this week are all looking for 600+ , some are asking high amount for M&G, at the same time they are just average looking girls. Am I behind the times too much or what?

Just last year I could still meet good looking young girls with nice body for $300-400?That is excessive, but if you are trying to negotiate sugar via electronic messaging, you'll get their top price. I only ever talk $ at the M&G, and I never agree to $ in advance for that. However, if the M&G goes well, I do give a gift card, like from Victoria or Sephora. If a girl won't agree to my scenario, she is too much a pro for my taste. Treat her nice and as if you are trying to date her, not bang her, and it will pay dividends.

[ColoHobbyist]

Treat her nice and as if you are trying to date her, not bang her, and it will pay dividends.This is the way.

I only go for SBs that I WOULD actually date (if 50+ yo me were to suddenly be attractive to 20-30 something women). If I just want to get laid right now. I go to HX, etc. If I'm going the sugar route, I slow roll. M&G with no PPM, then if we hit it off, an actual date with PPM but no sex (at least that's usually my plan). Then, if that goes well, sex on 3rd meetup.

I've been seeing a decently attractive 28 yo girl from SA now for about a month and we've seen each other four times. Once was M&G, which ended with a some first date style kissing / groping. Then second date had more of the same. Third date was a 3 hour fuck fest and fourth date, she spent the night. Each of those was $200. So, for $600, I've had two sex dates, totaling about 9 waking hours which, even with hotel and meals, translates to about $100/ hour. I consider that exceptional value for money, especially for BBFS-CIP with anal.

If you only go for 8-10's, then I'd agree, SA isn't the place anymore. Honestly, if that's your goal, the sweet spot now is porn star escorts. At least you know what you're getting for your $1500.

[FarFarAway]

This is the way.

I only go for SBs that I WOULD actually date (if 50+ yo me were to suddenly be attractive to 20-30 something women). If I just want to get laid right now. I go to HX, etc. If I'm going the sugar route, I slow roll. M&G with no PPM, then if we hit it off, an actual date with PPM but no sex (at least that's usually my plan). Then, if that goes well, sex on 3rd meetup.

I've been seeing a decently attractive 28 yo girl from SA now for about a month and we've seen each other four times. Once was M&G, which ended with a some first date style kissing / groping. Then second date had more of the same. Third date was a 3 hour fuck fest and fourth date, she spent the night. Each of those was $200. So, for $600, I've had two sex dates, totaling about 9 waking hours which, even with hotel and meals, translates to about $100/ hour. I consider that exceptional value for money, especially for BBFS-CIP with anal.

If you only go for 8-10's, then I'd agree, SA isn't the place anymore. Honestly, if that's your goal, the sweet spot now is porn star escorts. At least you know what you're getting for your $1500.I have had two dates w / SBs lately, one traveling and one in town. Both were 30's and definitely 8's or greater. And, yeah, I'm old. My own goal is to nail as much high quality pussy as I can, emphasis on the quality. The road baby I gave 600. The local one 450 for the first date, w / the promise of 1200/ mo for weekly meetings. But of course I also had to cover the hotel for this one. So about the same.

[RichNHood]

I had success linking up with local girls on social media. Tagged was a goldmine back when it was more popular. I would spam up all the girls asking if they want to have a "date" for some $$. Of the few ones that said yes the vast majority were among my all time favorites of the hundreds I've been with.

I still have two of them in rotation to this day, they are regular chicks with jobs, kids, and a BF. One chick I been giving the same 100 donation for like the last 10 years and she never complained and when we meet up its a no time limit full passion romp where she begs me to tell her I love her and to creampie her and she even volunteers to get the room sometimes. The other wants 200 but its no timelimit too and I get to creampie her while her kids are at school with a big picture of her and her boyfriend over the bed.

[RichNHood]

I'm getting off work the other day and as the elevator opens to the parking garage I'm greeted to the sight of a dime piece latina in a black fishnet set with black bikini under and 6 inch heels taking selfies with a tripod next to her car just two car spaces down from my car in a near empty garage lot, probably for her OF. She was a bit hesitant at first until she noticed I was just walking to my car. As I got closer she mentioned that she started to take some pics in front of my car since it was nice and didn't have plates in the front and I responded I definitely would not have minded. But just shortly after I hear someone else walking through who likely works in my same office and I definitely don't want to "play" anywhere near my job so I just left it at that. But as I left it took every ounce of strength to not go back and ask for her IG or snap.

[JohnRichard]

Plenty of hourly motels in the IE. I have used about 10 or 12 in the last decade of mongering. As far west as Upland and as far east as Palm Springs. However, I only used them in a pinch for escorts who can only do outcall. For my SB's I always use chain hotels. I have hundreds of thousands of Rewards and VIP freq flyer points that I can literally stay for an entire month at any Hilton or Marriott property and the entire stay will be comped. Since taking a SB to the FC involves a lot of planning, I can use my points to get a room. But as you know, check in is after 4 pm. So if I am banging an Hx girl or a PD chick and she can only do outcall at 11 am, then these hourly motels come in handy.

I sugar in the PNW and also in Henderson during my business trips. Since I am already staying at a Marriott, I already have a private FC room for my POTs and M&G girls.How does one find these hourly motels? I started a new client in Riverside and would like to see if I can find an SB to one. Tia.

[FarFarAway]

How does one find these hourly motels? I started a new client in Riverside and would like to see if I can find an SB to one. Tia.I like to use the Holiday Inn Express in Corona, which is available on the hotelsbyday app. Typically, it is about $90 for a few hours. I get the girl to book it and reimburse her.

[Ace McNasty]

I started a new client in Riverside and would like to see if I can find an SB to one. Tia.Congrats on the new Riverside side hustle. Like I keep saying, Riv and SB counties are growing so much and with this pop explosion also comes great selection in young hot pussy. I met an 18 yo white SB from Riverside named "Chelsea" beginning of 2024 and added her to my IE rotation. Maybe one of these days will post pics. She barely weighs 3 digits when she steps on a scale. Hot asf young skinny brunette.


How does one find these hourly motels?Somebody already suggested an app. I ain't gone name names in Riv and SB but I use motels not far from Tyler Mall and the defunct Carousel Mall. Also a couple in Colton and in Corona on Main St. Just do a search and call the front desk?

But I will throw you a bone. I was scheduled to creampie this hot white girl after I pick her up at an apt in RanchoCuca. Normally I would just use my VIP points for a room at the BW+ on Foothill since I have used it before a few times to rawdog Hx girls like JenniferRae and Ashleybaby. But on that day they had no rooms for early check-in and only available at 4 pm. Well I had a meeting at 4 pm with my tax accnt and fiduciary in OT Pasadena, and my girl is only available around noon. So I did my search and found the Stardust and New Kansan Motel a couple blocks away. Did my OpSec and Stardust was not up to par, so I picked up my girl and took her to the New Kansan. Small badness with just a few rooms in a semi-circle arrangement and you will park literally in front of your door, all bungalow style short rentals.

[JohnRichard]

Thanks for the tip on the notel.

That girl looks super hot. I hope I will land one like that. Did you find her on sa?


Congrats on the new Riverside side hustle. Like I keep saying, Riv and SB counties are growing so much and with this pop explosion also comes great selection in young hot pussy. I met an 18 yo white SB from Riverside named "Chelsea" beginning of 2024 and added her to my IE rotation. Maybe one of these days will post pics. She barely weighs 3 digits when she steps on a scale. Hot asf young skinny brunette.

Somebody already suggested an app. I ain't gone name names in Riv and SB but I use motels not far from Tyler Mall and the defunct Carousel Mall. Also a couple in Colton and in Corona on Main St. Just do a search and call the front desk?

But I will throw you a bone. I was scheduled to creampie this hot white girl after I pick her up at an apt in RanchoCuca. Normally I would just use my VIP points for a room at the BW+ on Foothill since I have used it before a few times to rawdog Hx girls like JenniferRae and Ashleybaby. But on that day they had no rooms for early check-in and only available at 4 pm. Well I had a meeting at 4 pm with my tax accnt and fiduciary in OT Pasadena, and my girl is only available around noon. So I did my search and found the Stardust and New Kansan Motel a couple blocks away. Did my OpSec and Stardust was not up to par, so I picked up my girl and took her to the New Kansan. Small badness with just a few rooms in a semi-circle arrangement and you will park literally in front of your door, all bungalow style short rentals.

[FarFarAway]

I like to use the Holiday Inn Express in Corona, which is available on the hotelsbyday app. Typically, it is about $90 for a few hours. I get the girl to book it and reimburse her.Sometimes there are fails, though. I was supposed to FC there yesterday, my girl started driving there and they called her, saying they were out of rooms even though she had a reservation.

[Ace McNasty]

Thanks for the tip on the notel.

That girl looks super hot. I hope I will land one like that. Did you find her on SA?I only used her as an example because I creampied this chick at the New Kansan hourly motel but she is not a traditional SB by any means. She used to be on Hx then left and now only posts infrequently on PD. Still hot asf regardless of whether you call her a pro or escort. I would creampie her any day over many of the "babies" they post and talk about in the LA Sugar Daddy forum. Many of them are in their 30's and 40's SMH. My definition of a sugar baby is a pretty girl HALF your age. So if the upscale daddies over there are going ga-ga over some 41 yo "baby", wonder how old many of these posters are?

I also don't limit or restrict myself to dedicated SD sites like SA, SDM, or SecBen. The way I see it, there are POTS everywhere you look, at any online site, or even at your local Target store. So I am able to hook sugar babies more successfully because I am not hung up on labels or sources. Perfect example is my current 18 yo SB below, added her to my personal harem in January, goes by "Chelsea" from the Riverside area. Found her in a generic online site but was posting as a SB looking for a daddy. Insanely hot and could enter a Ms. Teen USA contest. Yeah the LA and OC SD forums get all the activity here but the IE is a treasure trove for POTS and hot young girls 18-20 yo, just the way I like them LOL. No divorced MILFs for me!

[RickSanchez01]

I only used her as an example because I creampied this chick at the New Kansan hourly motel but she is not a traditional SB by any means. She used to be on Hx then left and now only posts infrequently on PD. Still hot asf regardless of whether you call her a pro or escort. I would creampie her any day over many of the "babies" they post and talk about in the LA Sugar Daddy forum. Many of them are in their 30's and 40's SMH. My definition of a sugar baby is a pretty girl HALF your age. So if the upscale daddies over there are going ga-ga over some 41 yo "baby", wonder how old many of these posters are?

I also don't limit or restrict myself to dedicated SD sites like SA, SDM, or SecBen. The way I see it, there are POTS everywhere you look, at any online site, or even at your local Target store. So I am able to hook sugar babies more successfully because I am not hung up on labels or sources. Perfect example is my current 18 yo SB below, added her to my personal harem in January, goes by "Chelsea" from the Riverside area. Found her in a generic online site but was posting as a SB looking for a daddy. Insanely hot and could enter a Ms. Teen USA contest. Yeah the LA and OC SD forums get all the activity here but the IE is a treasure trove for POTS and hot young girls 18-20 yo, just the way I like them LOL. No divorced MILFs for me!Mind sharing what site you use? Feel free to DM. I'm always looking to add other girls.

[JohnDoe1989]

This thread could be a little more proactive. How's everyone's experience with seeking and secret benefits? I know seeking is filled with bots and scams rn, but for anyone who's willing to filter through all the bullshit, I'm still finding hot chicks that for decent prices. No pimps, no seedy motels. Just takes a little more patience. Will say though, the Inland Empire still feels untapped for that stuff. Jurupa Valley and San Jacinto seem to be the best cities where I'm finding hot chicks who couldn't manage a dollar to save their life LOL I saw on another post that the best time to set up a meet would be around the 25th-26th of the month, rent is coming up for most people and girls start to get desperate. I've set up a 2.5 hr meet before from the site where the girl wanted 400 but her car payment was due the next day so she basically talked herself down to 200. Three nuts for 200 bucks and just picked her up from her dad's house in Jurupa valley. But like I said, a lot of patience and a lot of other text convos with other girls that went nowhere. Feel free to reply with any more tricks of the trade or recommendations. Good luck out there fellas.

[Ace McNasty]

This thread could be a little more proactive.I only created this thread in January because some new member who did not have such privileges yet asked me because he wanted to "contribute". After I created this IE SD-SB sub-forum, never heard from him again. A thread is like a big-ass piano. It ain't going to move itself, and you can't just expect one dude to do all the heavy lifting. It takes many guys to move that piano from Point A to Point B.


How's everyone's experience with seeking and secret benefits? I know seeking is filled with bots and scams rn. Feel free to reply with any more tricks of the trade or recommendations. Good luck out there fellas.Everything I needed to learn or know or add to my knowledge base when I first started sugaring many years ago, I learned from reading the ENTIRE Richmond sugar thread and forum. It is a gold mine of info. All the stuff posted there is applicable to sugaring anywhere in this country, including CA.


Will say though, the Inland Empire still feels untapped for that stuff. Jurupa Valley and San Jacinto seem to be the best cities where I'm finding hot chicks who couldn't manage a dollar to save their life LOL I saw on another post that the best time to set up a meet would be around the 25th-26th of the month, rent is coming up for most people and girls start to get desperate. I've set up a 2.5 hr meet before from the site where the girl wanted 400 but her car payment was due the next day so she basically talked herself down to 200. Three nuts for 200 bucks and just picked her up from her dad's house in Jurupa valley. Ha ha hopefully we are not sugaring the same girl from Jurupa Valley OMG what a coincidence. She is a smoking hot 20 yo Cuban girl, almost skin and bones, but has amazing perky tits and cute little bubble butt. Same dates here, I pick her up at her parent's home in JV, take her to my FC, and she lets me do anything I want except anal. No condoms ever and she knows I am neutered so CIP finish. One more thing about using SM. She lost her phone and I could not contact her. So I tried messaging thru her SM account and she was so glad I did and we reconnected. Screenshot of our convo. But do not discuss graphic stuff on the app. Just establish comms, exchange digits, then take the convo off site. These sites have hall monitors and that's the fastest way for your account to get banned or restricted.

[JohnDoe1989]

I only created this thread in January because some new member who did not have such privileges yet asked me because he wanted to "contribute". After I created this IE SD-SB sub-forum, never heard from him again. A thread is like a big-ass piano. It ain't going to move itself, and you can't just expect one dude to do all the heavy lifting. It takes many guys to move that piano from Point A to Point B.

Everything I needed to learn or know or add to my knowledge base when I first started sugaring many years ago, I learned from reading the ENTIRE Richmond sugar thread and forum. It is a gold mine of info. All the stuff posted there is applicable to sugaring anywhere in this country, including CA.

Ha ha hopefully we are not sugaring the same girl from Jurupa Valley OMG what a coincidence. She is a smoking hot 20 yo Cuban girl, almost skin and bones, but has amazing perky tits and cute little bubble butt. Same dates here, I pick her up at her parent's home in JV, take her to my FC, and she lets me do anything I want except anal. No condoms ever and she knows I am neutered so CIP finish. One more thing about using SM. She lost her phone and I could not contact her. So I tried messaging thru her SM account and she was so glad I did and we reconnected. Screenshot of our convo. But do not discuss graphic stuff on the app. Just establish comms, exchange digits, then take the convo off site. These sites have hall monitors and that's the fastest way for your account to get banned or restricted.It is def funny that they're both from Jurupa valley, I had 2 other ones that were also from JV but one moved and the other got in a "relationship". My current one is 25 and thicker, so it is not the same. Good recommendation on the Richmond thread, currently reading through it and lots of good info.

[FarFarAway]

This thread could be a little more proactive. How's everyone's experience with seeking and secret benefits? I know seeking is filled with bots and scams rn, but for anyone who's willing to filter through all the bullshit, I'm still finding hot chicks that for decent prices. No pimps, no seedy motels. Just takes a little more patience. Will say though, the Inland Empire still feels untapped for that stuff. Jurupa Valley and San Jacinto seem to be the best cities where I'm finding hot chicks who couldn't manage a dollar to save their life LOL I saw on another post that the best time to set up a meet would be around the 25th-26th of the month, rent is coming up for most people and girls start to get desperate. I've set up a 2.5 hr meet before from the site where the girl wanted 400 but her car payment was due the next day so she basically talked herself down to 200. Three nuts for 200 bucks and just picked her up from her dad's house in Jurupa valley. But like I said, a lot of patience and a lot of other text convos with other girls that went nowhere. Feel free to reply with any more tricks of the trade or recommendations. Good luck out there fellas.I'm from OC but often work in the IE, so I definitely troll out there. I have not had a lot of luck, actually. I play very carefully, I have a lot to lose, so that limits me quite a bit. Daytime meets, etc. I do think there is some nice talent, but I have met way more reasonable prospects in OC.

I don't use secret benefits, I can't figure out how to even get a paid membership without giving up personal info. Seeking has a well-known path for that.

[JohnDoe1989]

I checked out a thread that another user recommended that was loaded with stuff, some things I was already practicing and some that I was still on the fence about. Regardless, they can be applied in any city or state. So for the IE dudes looking to get some broke sugar babies, here's a few things to keep in mind, whether you're new or an experienced dude. In no order of importance:

1. Don't use your real phone number. Download google voice, free and seems to work better than most texting apps. A quick google search of your real phone number can pull up your real name, address and sometimes social medial. Try to give as little real info about yourself as possible when setting up arrangements.

2. Don't ever ever send pre-send money electronically. "I need gas", "I need money for a sitter", "I have to pay my cell phone bill or else we can't meet". Fuck all that, obvious red flag of a scammer. Using the websites seeking arrangement or secret benefits, you're bound to get a lot of bullshit scammers. When you encounter one, just bail immediately. There will never be a shortage of 20 something year old girls that can't manage their money. Just move along to the next one.

3. Take the convo off the sites immediately. Some sites will flag and suspend your account for discussing P p m. Direct contact is always better.

4. Try get xxx pics / vids. I tend to use it as a test to see which girls are really serious about meeting and fucking. Tik tok influencers have brainwashed these girls into thinking dudes are just going to shower them with money without ever expecting anything in return. Even after you take the conversation off the sites, they might still expect a platonic money filled arrangement LOL fuck all that. The real ones should have no problem letting you see the goods before meeting. Also, try to avoid catfishing by getting the most recent full body nudes.

5. First meet and greet, maybe lunch or drinks with a gift. But don't be too inve$ted in the m&g if you're not fucking. Be clear with them about your expectations and what their expectations are. If you do it right, you can find a consistent SB in the area at a decent price. Avoid high P pm, avoid 2 k monthly allowance and depending on your level of patience, avoid any girl with a drug addiction. Yes, they are desperate but they're also a headache to manage. Girls like that aren't chasing the money, they're chasing the high. They're bound to steal from you or get you wrapped into some bullshit. Again, just depends on you. I personally stay away from those but I have an older friend (50 +) that likes those because they're cheap asf. His risk tolerance is much higher than mine and so is his level of patience. Just a personal preference I guess.

6. They need you more than you need them. Fuck what they say about all the "I usually get 500 to meet, and only fuck once" lmao. Remember, you have disposable income. They, usually have POS baby daddies, DUIs, in between jobs, couch surfing at friends house, living the party lifestyle (lots of ravers in the IE), getting their cars repo-ed or all of the above. Know your caps and be firm with them. If your cap is 1 k for a meet, good for you bro. But if your cap is $300 for a meet, I'd recommend starting at 200 and seeing what the girl says. She might say some bullshit like "I usually never go that low, but I'm going through some shit rn, when can you meet?" They're going to try to get the most they can from you but don't fall for that shit. Let them know they'll get their funds at the end of the full meet, none of this "oh I got a headache, I got to go" . Or "oh I just remembered, my sister said she's coming by, I got to go home". Keep your guard up at all times. Be cool, be friendly, don't fully treat them like prostitutes, but at the same time, be FIRM about the actual details of the transaction.

7. Maintain several conversations at a time. Some girls will deny for your initial proposal, but time and circumstances change all things. Most of these girls will not figure themselves out of their shitty situation and suddenly, your "low" p pm will seem a lot more enticing. Just check in on those conversations every now and then, doesn't cost you anything once you already got their phone number.

8. Not for you? Just keep browsing. Some girls are actually down to meet and fuck for a few hours but got all types of rules, sometimes only sex no head, Only on their timeline, available at weird times of the day. If it seems like too much work for a particular girl, just keep browsing through the site. There's no shortage, believe me.

9. Last but not least, just have some patience. Maybe 10 texting convos will result in one actual meeting, but maybe it's 15 sometimes. Idk, just depends on a few different variables. I'm pretty sure if you're willing to spend more $$, you'll be getting more meetings. Or maybe the new batch of girls on the sites are expecting online platonic arrangements and then you get no meetings. I really don't have a clear explanation of how it all works. But a few things are certain in my experience: I've never had to pick up / meet a girl from the sugaring websites on a track, a seedy motel, never had to deal with a pimp, never got nervous about possible law enforcement. Sure, I've been flaked on plenty of times but some people just aren't going go through with it. Fuck it, move on to the next one.

[RichNHood]

Another route of getting a sugar baby is becoming a regular of a escort and slowly building that relationship. I did that with one many years ago. Started with just basic dates with a little convo before and after. Then texting occasionally even when not dating, then started to let me do things she initially had as a hard no like BBBJ. And then we would go on occasional dates like lunch dinner or movies and I didn't have to pay for her time. I even met her little kid. And finally one day after a lunch date she begged me to come back after work and we fucked like we were really boyfriend and girlfriend and I creampied her. I only saw her a handful times after this as she really wanted a real relationship with me at this point and didn't want to continue if I wasn't down.

Again this was a slow burn process of several years and countless dates but I genuinely enjoyed it all and the payoff of her finally letting me fuck her raw was one of my most memorable experiences in my 15+ years of mongering.

[Cesar66]

I only created this thread in January because some new member who did not have such privileges yet asked me because he wanted to "contribute". After I created this IE SD-SB sub-forum, never heard from him again. A thread is like a big-ass piano. It ain't going to move itself, and you can't just expect one dude to do all the heavy lifting. It takes many guys to move that piano from Point A to Point B.

Everything I needed to learn or know or add to my knowledge base when I first started sugaring many years ago, I learned from reading the ENTIRE Richmond sugar thread and forum. It is a gold mine of info. All the stuff posted there is applicable to sugaring anywhere in this country, including CA.

Ha ha hopefully we are not sugaring the same girl from Jurupa Valley OMG what a coincidence. She is a smoking hot 20 yo Cuban girl, almost skin and bones, but has amazing perky tits and cute little bubble butt. Same dates here, I pick her up at her parent's home in JV, take her to my FC, and she lets me do anything I want except anal. No condoms ever and she knows I am neutered so CIP finish. One more thing about using SM. She lost her phone and I could not contact her. So I tried messaging thru her SM account and she was so glad I did and we reconnected. Screenshot of our convo. But do not discuss graphic stuff on the app. Just establish comms, exchange digits, then take the convo off site. These sites have hall monitors and that's the fastest way for your account to get banned or restricted.Hi Ace long time reader of yours, Thank you for all the reviews and advice threw out the years. I'm from the IE So and I'm starting to try the sugar daddy thing and wanted to ask What are some good sites you recommend? Iv herd of seekingbenefit and seeking, I want to know witch is better or if there are other sites I don't know of. Some of the guys here have even said I should try craigslist and hope I get lucky, witch I did once but that was years ago.

[FarFarAway]

Hi Ace long time reader of yours, Thank you for all the reviews and advice threw out the years. I'm from the IE So and I'm starting to try the sugar daddy thing and wanted to ask What are some good sites you recommend? Iv herd of seekingbenefit and seeking, I want to know witch is better or if there are other sites I don't know of. Some of the guys here have even said I should try craigslist and hope I get lucky, witch I did once but that was years ago.Here's an example of the sort of IE girl you can pull off of seeking.

[Berol Loz]

I checked out a thread that another user recommended that was loaded with stuff, some things I was already practicing and some that I was still on the fence about. Regardless, they can be applied in any city or state. So for the IE dudes looking to get some broke sugar babies, here's a few things to keep in mind, whether you're new or an experienced dude. In no order of importance:..Thanks for posting this, this is good advice.

[JohnDoe1989]

Hi Ace long time reader of yours, Thank you for all the reviews and advice threw out the years. I'm from the IE So and I'm starting to try the sugar daddy thing and wanted to ask What are some good sites you recommend? Iv herd of seekingbenefit and seeking, I want to know witch is better or if there are other sites I don't know of. Some of the guys here have even said I should try craigslist and hope I get lucky, witch I did once but that was years ago.Below are a few that I've taken down this past year, lowest cost was $100, highest was $250 but multiple nuts and got a room and all that. They're all very different, none are homeless or on a track, no pimps or any of that. 3 out of the 4, I picked them up from their parents house. Last one I was just met up at a restaurant for drinks before we did the deed. I met them all through Seeking Arrangements website. It takes some work Cesar66, but its pretty much lots of filtering through the scams and high ppm, but eventually you can find some consistent lays that give "girl next door" type of vibes. Check out the website, at least for a month. It's only like 80-90 bucks for unlimited messaging for the whole month. But make sure you take the conversation off the website immediately.

[JohnDoe1989]

Hi Ace long time reader of yours, Thank you for all the reviews and advice threw out the years. I'm from the IE So and I'm starting to try the sugar daddy thing and wanted to ask What are some good sites you recommend? Iv herd of seekingbenefit and seeking, I want to know witch is better or if there are other sites I don't know of. Some of the guys here have even said I should try craigslist and hope I get lucky, witch I did once but that was years ago.I forgot to add the pics, but they're on a separate thread.

[Cesar66]

Below are a few that I've taken down this past year, lowest cost was $100, highest was $250 but multiple nuts and got a room and all that. They're all very different, none are homeless or on a track, no pimps or any of that. 3 out of the 4, I picked them up from their parents house. Last one I was just met up at a restaurant for drinks before we did the deed. I met them all through Seeking Arrangements website. It takes some work Cesar66, but its pretty much lots of filtering through the scams and high ppm, but eventually you can find some consistent lays that give "girl next door" type of vibes. Check out the website, at least for a month. It's only like 80-90 bucks for unlimited messaging for the whole month. But make sure you take the conversation off the website immediately.Thank you John I appreciate it.

[FarFarAway]

I forgot to add the pics, but they're on a separate thread.I"ve seen the profile of #2 a lot, but never been in touch.

Hey, let's revitalize this thread. I am out in the IE pretty often, would love to sugar out there, but the girls aren't as cute or as amenable as in OC.

[Ace McNasty]

I forgot to add the pics, but they're on a separate thread.You can do a whole lot better than that group in the IE. Where are you hunting? Try other apps like SB, SDM and SecBen. Don't just restrict yourself to SA. The IE has lots of young single Moms. Both Latinas and white girls.

One of my current ones is a 20 yo Cuban girl, skin and bones just like the way I prefer. From the Upland-San Bern area. All bare, no condoms, and she lets me CIP because I'm neutered.

[VeryBigBuck]

So, this was my approach when I was in the bowl, worked well for me. YMMV. This approach will not work with pros.

Target new to Seeking girls who don't want to admit to themselves that they are selling their pussy. It is based on the premiss that the party that has the money calls the shots and that there are MANY POT SB out-there and very, very few "real" SD's. Also lines up with their desire to be "spoiled". Heck, sometimes SBs with platonic in their profile would head to the FC with me after the M&G. Most headed to the FC on date 2. Over one year only 3 out of 16 POTs did not convert and go to the FC, 13 SB went to the FC, all bare, only 3 did not want CIP. 2 or 3 asked for condoms but I did not have any with me, they fucked anyway.

Guidelines:

1. Craft your profile as an experienced SD looking for a new SB after a previous LT SR ended due to SB moving away, finding someone in RL, etc. Say in your profile that you will absolutely never ask them to meet you at a hotel on a first meet and also you are not looking for a platonic SB, you are looking for a real connection. Again. Say in your profile that you are looking for a real connection with the right lady, intimacy is not expected but as in normal relationships, if there is a connection, intimacy will quickly and naturally follow.

2. In the DM's. Never discuss money with the POT SB. When she presses, say first you are sure that this does not apply to her but you are not looking for a working girl, prostitute, escort, or anyone looking to be paid for sex. You are looking for a smart, sexy SB to connect with and help financially. Say that the way that you will help is that at the end of a date (with adult fun) you will give her an envelope. This way YOU decide how much to give. Tell her that you are looking to meet weekly and after 2 or 3 months you can switch to a monthly envelope.

3. When she says "what if the amount in the envelope is not enough", respond "as in any relationship if there is an issue, we do the adult thing and talk to resolve the issue". In my experience, when a SB that I had fucked complained about the amount (only one of 13, my normal was 300 per envelope), I said, "that is all I have in my budget", sorry if it does not work for you, do you want to cancel our date this week? She said, "no that is fine". Also make sure that she cums a shit-ton the first time you have sex, get down there and lick her pussy like it is the last pussy on earth (google lesbian guide to pussy licking) before fucking her. It seems that young men these days don't enjoy dining at the why.


I checked out a thread that another user recommended that was loaded with stuff, some things I was already practicing and some that I was still on the fence about. Regardless, they can be applied in any city or state. So for the IE dudes looking to get some broke sugar babies, here's a few things to keep in mind, whether you're new or an experienced dude. In no order of importance:

1. Don't use your real phone number. Download google voice, free and seems to work better than most texting apps. A quick google search of your real phone number can pull up your real name, address and sometimes social medial. Try to give as little real info about yourself as possible when setting up arrangements.

2. Don't ever ever send pre-send money electronically. "I need gas", "I need money for a sitter", "I have to pay my cell phone bill or else we can't meet". Fuck all that, obvious red flag of a scammer. Using the websites seeking arrangement or secret benefits, you're bound to get a lot of bullshit scammers. When you encounter one, just bail immediately. There will never be a shortage of 20 something year old girls that can't manage their money. Just move along to the next one.

3. Take the convo off the sites immediately. Some sites will flag and suspend your account for discussing P p m. Direct contact is always better.

4. Try get xxx pics / vids. I tend to use it as a test to see which girls are really serious about meeting and fucking. Tik tok influencers have brainwashed these girls into thinking dudes are just going to shower them with money without ever expecting anything in return. Even after you take the conversation off the sites, they might still expect a platonic money filled arrangement LOL fuck all that. The real ones should have no problem letting you see the goods before meeting. Also, try to avoid catfishing by getting the most recent full body nudes.

5. First meet and greet, maybe lunch or drinks with a gift. But don't be too inve$ted in the m&g if you're not fucking. Be clear with them about your expectations and what their expectations are. If you do it right, you can find a consistent SB in the area at a decent price. Avoid high P pm, avoid 2 k monthly allowance and depending on your level of patience, avoid any girl with a drug addiction. Yes, they are desperate but they're also a headache to manage. Girls like that aren't chasing the money, they're chasing the high. They're bound to steal from you or get you wrapped into some bullshit. Again, just depends on you. I personally stay away from those but I have an older friend (50 +) that likes those because they're cheap asf. His risk tolerance is much higher than mine and so is his level of patience. Just a personal preference I guess.

6. They need you more than you need them. Fuck what they say about all the "I usually get 500 to meet, and only fuck once" lmao. Remember, you have disposable income. They, usually have POS baby daddies, DUIs, in between jobs, couch surfing at friends house, living the party lifestyle (lots of ravers in the IE), getting their cars repo-ed or all of the above. Know your caps and be firm with them. If your cap is 1 k for a meet, good for you bro. But if your cap is $300 for a meet, I'd recommend starting at 200 and seeing what the girl says. She might say some bullshit like "I usually never go that low, but I'm going through some shit rn, when can you meet?" They're going to try to get the most they can from you but don't fall for that shit. Let them know they'll get their funds at the end of the full meet, none of this "oh I got a headache, I got to go" . Or "oh I just remembered, my sister said she's coming by, I got to go home". Keep your guard up at all times. Be cool, be friendly, don't fully treat them like prostitutes, but at the same time, be FIRM about the actual details of the transaction.

7. Maintain several conversations at a time. Some girls will deny for your initial proposal, but time and circumstances change all things. Most of these girls will not figure themselves out of their shitty situation and suddenly, your "low" p pm will seem a lot more enticing. Just check in on those conversations every now and then, doesn't cost you anything once you already got their phone number.

8. Not for you? Just keep browsing. Some girls are actually down to meet and fuck for a few hours but got all types of rules, sometimes only sex no head, Only on their timeline, available at weird times of the day. If it seems like too much work for a particular girl, just keep browsing through the site. There's no shortage, believe me.

9. Last but not least, just have some patience. Maybe 10 texting convos will result in one actual meeting, but maybe it's 15 sometimes. Idk, just depends on a few different variables. I'm pretty sure if you're willing to spend more $$, you'll be getting more meetings. Or maybe the new batch of girls on the sites are expecting online platonic arrangements and then you get no meetings. I really don't have a clear explanation of how it all works. But a few things are certain in my experience: I've never had to pick up / meet a girl from the sugaring websites on a track, a seedy motel, never had to deal with a pimp, never got nervous about possible law enforcement. Sure, I've been flaked on plenty of times but some people just aren't going go through with it. Fuck it, move on to the next one.

[Mngrrr]

Here's an example of the sort of IE girl you can pull off of seeking.That's a ghoulish looking woman.

[Berol Loz]

You can do a whole lot better than that group in the IE. Where are you hunting? Try other apps like SB, SDM and SecBen. Don't just restrict yourself to SA. The IE has lots of young single Moms. Both Latinas and white girls.

One of my current ones is a 20 yo Cuban girl, skin and bones just like the way I prefer. From the Upland-San Bern area. All bare, no condoms, and she lets me CIP because I'm neutered.Definitely don't restrict yourself to just Seeking; Sugardaddymeet.com (https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/?tid=af100011222-m) (SDM) and SecretBenefits.com (https://www.secretbenefits.com/) both have plenty of girls available, too. Seeking has added a verification requirement (you have to take a selfie for them), while SDM has made it voluntary for now.

One thing I learned last year was SDM also charges girls money to read messages so it's in their interest to make an arrangement since it's costing them money too, unlike Seeking where it's always free for girls. I suppose this is the reason you'll see girls ask you to message you with your email / phone. So they don't have to pay.

[Berol Loz]

So, this was my approach when I was in the bowl, worked well for me. YMMV. This approach will not work with pros.

Target new to Seeking girls who don't want to admit to themselves that they are selling their pussy. It is based on the premiss that the party that has the money calls the shots and that there are MANY POT SB out-there and very, very few "real" SD's. Also lines up with their desire to be "spoiled". Heck, sometimes SBs with platonic in their profile would head to the FC with me after the M&G. Most headed to the FC on date 2. Over one year only 3 out of 16 POTs did not convert and go to the FC, 13 SB went to the FC, all bare, only 3 did not want CIP. 2 or 3 asked for condoms but I did not have any with me, they fucked anyway...Thank you for this. Great advice here regardless what site you're using.

[Ace McNasty]

That's a ghoulish looking woman.One sugardaddy's ghoul is another one's Zendaya.

Speaking of, the IE truly has no shortage of brown and ebony sugar. Especially east of Corona. These sugar apps are loaded with AA profiles. Nothing like a gorgeous skinny 19 yo ebony baby with huge titties to drain your balls at your usual no tell hourly roach motel in Upland or Rialto LOL.

No doncoms. CIP finish only. Always. Is there any other way to fuck?

[RainySeattleGu]

Hey why'all.

Visiting the IE in the next few days, and have been chatting up this girl from Seeking that goes by Lily (adding the photos for reference). I've researched the board, and saw that others have talked to her, but there weren't too many specifics about her. Any intel would be greatly appreciated!

[Traveler8888]

Hey why'all.

Visiting the IE in the next few days, and have been chatting up this girl from Seeking that goes by Lily (adding the photos for reference). I've researched the board, and saw that others have talked to her, but there weren't too many specifics about her. Any intel would be greatly appreciated!She me a link please?

[Ddy3831]

https://members.seeking.com/member/224537d0-4537-49c8-9389-f0bdb156b21a

Also posted in the SD forum here secondary location is in Irvine, but looking for info on her has been very transactional so far thinking she's a pro, supposed to meet up with her next week, any info would be appreciated!