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Mellow Guy
03-21-09, 11:25
Thank you Mr President.
I recall a decade ago going to a place on Rte 64 in Lombard and it was the same deal.
Left $300 poorer, and I even declined on the self service.
Until I found this board I had in my head that every place was like this, which is why I'm such a virtual beginner to the hobby at my advanced age.
I appreciate you saving my wallet.
Mellow Guy
03-22-09, 19:09
Well, I went to ERS, got there early in hopes that one of the 2 nominees were there and weren't busy already.
Joy of joys, Diana was at the front desk.
And, even though I've been there maybe 8 times, this was the first time the jaccuzi was offered to me. I always thought it was because they didn't know me well (or worse yet, they didn't want to take me there). I found out that it's just a luck of the draw. Some ladies plain don't like the jaccuzi.
The rest of the session was as advertised, which is to say, the best session I've ever had in any of the 3 area MP's.
Thanks for the tips guys. Maybe I'll try Angela next time. But it'd be awful tough for me to do if Diana is available.
Here's that ad I was talking about
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ers/1084414407.htmlThe place is a "Jack Shack", prepare to pay!
Diana gets good reviews for attitude, massage, etc., and that means a lot. However, would someone also please give a physical description: tall/short, slender/full-figured, young/mature, etc. Thanks.
Called Sunday to see who is working, got all the regulars, plus Desiray? (not sure on the spelling)
I asked about her before, but got to replies. Please PM if you have seen her. Its kind of a drive for me, so want to makes sure its worth it.
Thanks!
Diana gets good reviews for attitude, massage, etc., and that means a lot. However, would someone also please give a physical description: tall/short, slender/full-figured, young/mature, etc. Thanks.I would say Mature full figure. I think there are better looking ladies there but here program is the best. I really like Dee in the looks department and her program is good but not as good as Diana. I have only seen Diana once. I've seen Dee several times. Diana seems to be busy every time I visit. You will be happy with either one of these ladies.
I would say Mature full figure. I think there are better looking ladies there but here program is the best. I really like Dee in the looks department and her program is good but not as good as Diana. I have only seen Diana once. I've seen Dee several times. Diana seems to be busy every time I visit. You will be happy with either one of these ladies.
Thanks. I followed up on your suggestion and you were spot on -- Diana does a great job. She keeps your "attention" throughout the session in a variety of ways. It ain't Tantra but close to it!
BTW, I did see Dee about a year ago and she is also a good choice. Attractive but her "program" doesn't come close to Diana's IMHO, but then neither does anyone else's. (For the record, Diana stays within the standard ERS protocol throughout the session, but it's still a great time.)
I would say Mature full figure. I think there are better looking ladies there but here program is the best.I'm not sure what you call full figure. she has some junk but is not overweight by much. Breasts won't pass the pencil test, but are very soft. And she has Natural red hair with a nice red strip of hair neatly groomed down below.
Called Sunday to see who is working, got all the regulars, plus Desiray? (not sure on the spelling)
I asked about her before, but got to replies. Please PM if you have seen her. Its kind of a drive for me, so want to makes sure its worth it.
Thanks!Hey Steevo,
I had a session with Desiree a few weeks ago. She is really fun hand has a great attitude. Not rushed at all didn't even grab the tip until after i left and never brought it up during as well. I will deffinately see her again! Let me know if you have any other questions.
Hey,
I was wondering if anyone has run into Kelly that used to work at ERS?
If so, could you tell me where she is working now?
Thanks
Hey Steevo,
I had a session with Desiree a few weeks ago. She is really fun hand has a great attitude. Not rushed at all didn't even grab the tip until after i left and never brought it up during as well. I will deffinately see her again! Let me know if you have any other questions.
I didn't have a session with Desiree, but did chat with her and Jessie while waiting for my appointment with Diana. Both Desiree and Jessie are quite attractive and good conversationalists. Might be worth a try on a future visit.
Maxjames100
04-08-09, 16:59
I guess as of a few days ago Dee is no longer with ERS. What a bummer!
Anyone know what happened or if there is a way to contact her, favorite of mine.
I guess as of a few days ago Dee is no longer with ERS. What a bummer!
Anyone know what happened or if there is a way to contact her, favorite of mine.I was told that she got fired for going to Las Vegas and trying out the "pro" circuit.
I guess as of a few days ago Dee is no longer with ERS. What a bummer!
Anyone know what happened or if there is a way to contact her, favorite of mine.Keep me in the loop Dee was my favorite too.
Undie Radar
04-27-09, 20:33
Today was my lucky day! I had made an appointment with Diana, my ATF, and arrived promptly as I was looking forward to the minute sine the time I called. She asked me if I would mind if I received a four hand session as they have a new lady who is being trained. Who am I to stand in the way of a new employee and their success? I met Raven, who I estimate to be early 20's, 5'8", and well proportioned. Guessing 34C-24-36, with long dark hair and a lovely smile. I usually don't opt for the jacuzzi, but since we WERE training, I certainly couldn't stand in the way of progress. Bottom line, Raven is an apt pupil with great potential as she is personable, a good conversationalist and lovely to look at. Currently I would grade her a C+/B-, but with her instructor being one of the best, I am thinking she will be a rising star. I haven't been by ERS in quite a while with time, location and funds all conspiring. Diana looks great, has a cute short haircut, and is in great shape.
Today was my lucky day! I had made an appointment with Diana, my ATF, and arrived promptly as I was looking forward to the minute sine the time I called. She asked me if I would mind if I received a four hand session as they have a new lady who is being trained. Who am I to stand in the way of a new employee and their success? Man, some guys have all the luck!
Stalfonso69
05-15-09, 15:33
Made my first trip to ERS based on feedback from this forum. I want to start by saying Thanks. Walked in and had a short chat with the receptionist who asked if I had been there before. I admitted it was my first time and apparently that got me a trip to the Jacuzzi.
I picked Desiree who has a beautiful face and wonderful eyes. She has a little booty but that is OK with me. She suggested a shower and then we retired to the Jacuzzi where we could "conversate". Desiree explained all first time guests get the Jacuzzi treatment.
From there we went to the massage which was OK and pretty nice. Desiree asked if I wanted to massage her, which I did, and things were pretty cool. Typical ending, no rush or hassle. All and All a pretty nice morning. Tipped $40 got a hug goodbye and will definately go back.
AdaptableMan
05-20-09, 14:35
Being that it is Tornado season, and Belvidere is known for the tragic 1967 tornado which devasted the town, our favorite maseusse Pepper, will be giving a lecture this evening at C'est La Vie.
She will recount the tragic events as she was giving hjs to her customers during that fateful storm. Happy 75th birthday Pepper!
I am going to give ERS a visit this coming week, wanted to find out what was the customary tip for their services. Basically what can be had at what price levels. Also who would be a good choice for a first timer? Sorry to ask for information that may be scattered about the threads, but I hope to get info from anyone who has had recent visits with the current staff. Once I return from my visit I will post my experience. Please PM me if anyone has anything or post it.
Thanks
I had a nice time at ERS today can't remember her name but had a smoking body, looking more along the lines of FS, would love to go back to Exclusive here in Rockford haven't been there in a couple of years, anyone know of one of one of the better girls to see?
I am going to give ERS a visit this coming week, wanted to find out what was the customary tip for their services. Basically what can be had at what price levels. Also who would be a good choice for a first timer? Sorry to ask for information that may be scattered about the threads, but I hope to get info from anyone who has had recent visits with the current staff. Once I return from my visit I will post my experience. Please PM me if anyone has anything or post it.
ThanksBelieve it or not no tips are nec at ERS. that's not to say you shouldn't tip, but the lady won't ask for one. there is no such thing as FS here, in fact the "menu" has only one item. different ladies have different ways of fulfilling said item, some very mechanical, some very good. but you need to know the code, in other words how to communicate to the ladies you are in the know. the best place to start out with a newbie is to take the Jacuzzi. when you get in the jacuzzi room you will drop towel and get ready to enter the pool. she will either say somehting like "gee you look comfortable, I want to be comfortable too" or she might just turn around and lift her hair to show you the strings on the back of her swim suit. this is your time for action. make her as comfortable as you are. then later back in the room she may ask if you would like to massage her, this is another chance to show her you know what to do.
but like I said, the menu is very limited, but some of the girls have really good skills. Diane is my personal ATF there. not young but very good at what she does. I usually tip her $40. other ladies without the skill or open access personality get tipped less and only once did I not tip, but don't worry she isn't there any more.
Anyone that implies that germs are being exchanged at this place is a liar. The little critters are the only real reason the state has to regulate most public establishments like restaurants.
This place is clean, well managed, efficient, honest, friendly, operating legally and provides employment for a lot of single mothers who's kids would really suffer if they were out of a safe and good paying job.
I don't know if the Chrysler factory is going to stay open, so every honest job is important in this area.
Stopped by ERS this weekend had a good time with Jessica. Jessica is a cute mid twenties Latina, petite with a nice backside. She was very friendly and talkative, but not to the point where it was annoying. Before getting into the shower she disinfected and cleaned it, which I appreciated. The room itself seemed clean, towels smelled freshly laundered. I never felt rushed during any part of her service, from the beginning to the happy ending. Jessica gave a pretty decent massage and she seemed actually to care that I was having a good time. I would repeat.
Next week, I'm going to be passing through Illinois toward Wisonsin on a road trip (alone).
I've decided to indulge in three of my hobbies/interests along the way--I like listening to music and photographing historic and interestic looking buildings.
And of course, I will be stopping at many strip clubs, adult stores and other points of interest along my way.
On Friday, I'll visit Washington Park in East Saint Louis in the afternoon, then see the Symphony perform some Pachelbel in the evening.
The next day I'll be passing through the Rockford/Belvidere area. From what I have read so far in this thread, ERS sounds like the better choice of the two massage places in Belvidere.
Let me make sure I understand how it works--I go in and there'll be a bunch of girls in the lobby that I can pick from. Then we go back to a room and I undress, and then in order to go forward I also have to make a move and undress her?
Here's a silly question, probably...The girls all pretty much expect you to remove their clothes, right? I don't want to seem like a brute and get booted out or anything when I do this.
Thanks!
Undie Radar
06-14-09, 08:05
Let me make sure I understand how it works--I go in and there'll be a bunch of girls in the lobby that I can pick from. Then we go back to a room and I undress, and then in order to go forward I also have to make a move and undress her?
Here's a silly question, probably. The girls all pretty much expect you to remove their clothes, right? I don't want to seem like a brute and get booted out or anything when I do this.
Thanks! When you arrive at your massage room with your choice you will pay your fee and she will give you a towel and start the shower for you and she will leave the room to turn your fee into the desk. When she returns you are waiting with your towel handy as she will want to take you to the jacuzzi which is a nice way to get to know one another. Other than that, relax and enjoy the experience. Read prior posts to learn who does a good job and call ahead if you want to know who is working that day you are travelling through, they also take appointments. Drive safely.
Discretewill
06-14-09, 12:17
Here's a silly question, probably...The girls all pretty much expect you to remove their clothes, right? I don't want to seem like a brute and get booted out or anything when I do this.
Thanks!Ilikebbw. One post newb. RTFF.
The Belvidere forums here are not too lengthy and are filled with a wealth of intel on basic rules for the MPs there.
I do know this much, step over the line in Belvidere and they shut you down, might even kick you to the curb without your massage. And don't expect anything more than a hand service after whatever efforts you might put forth, Belvidere MPs are reasonable, fun, and good times. But you also need to realise they are Legit and tend to fire women who provide anything extra.
I'm starting to think the reputations Belvidere MPs get is actually geographically related to Rockford's reputation. (And man oh man I wish Rockford would live up to this rep LOL)
If you're thinking you'll pass thru the area and get some MP extras or FS action in Belvidere? Keep driving thru to Rockford and get yourself to a LS. You won't get a massage, except your wallet, but you're 10 times more likely to get some extra action in the LSs.
Again, RTFF.
Stopped by CLV Friday afternoon saw Bridgette. 85 dollar at the door includes tip, not to say you could not tip more if you really thought the service was great but I doubt many people tip much over the entry fee. The place itself seemed dreary, ladies tired and bored. I got vibe that most of the women here had been doing this kind of stuff for a long time and would rather be do something else, like getting a root canal. The massage was nothing special and the end was mechanical. I did not get anywhere near the full hour but didn't really care. I can't criticize this place too much, they seem to have a following for whatever reason and I was not treated poorly, just not nothing special. For 85 all inclusive, well I guess you can't expect too much.
Maybe it was because it was my first time so service was better to impress, but in my opinion ERS is a better value for the $. The staff at ERS seemed younger and friendlier. Jessica put an effort into the massage and making sure I had a pleasant experience, also it went pretty much the full hour. I have only been there once but it was consistent with other experiences on the board with different ladies.
Hey Cracker,
Before you write off CLV you need to go on a day when Jennah is working. She has summer hours and only works a few days a week, but I am sure you will be happy with the service from her. As for the surroundings obviously they haven't put any money in the place since the seventies so that is not going to change.
Funtimesneed
06-27-09, 17:45
On Saturday I finally went back to ERS after 14 months after the kelly incedent. I called up and diane, jamie and jessica plus a 3 three other were avalible, diane was busy so I made an appointment with jamie.
I went in and jamie led me to the room and ask me if I every saw her before, I said no then she ask me if I heard about her on the internet. I told her I just pick a name at random. The hot tub session was great. When we went back to the room and she started the session she ask me if I wanted any extra's and what I would like. I just changed the subject to something because I didn't bring any extra money and I don't want to spend my money that way. The rest of the session was ok with a regular ending.
Overall it was the same as I remember, I might go back there sometime.
If you go see her I would watch what you say about finding information on the internet and if you do get extras it might be a good idea if you keep it to youself, that way she doesn't get in trouble and the police don't find out.
This time I left my wallet and cellphone in the car and just took my keys and the money I was going to spend. One other thing if you do get extra please use a condom!
I did make it to ERS during my trip. I made a few wrong turns and was in a bit of a hurry, but it worth it.
I thought it was great.- Belvidere reminded me a lot of the town I went to college in. I wish we had a place like ERS there, though.
I was also asked if I heard about it on the internet. Since I had already told her I was driving through from 350 miles away and ERS isn't really on the interstate, I did say that I had read about it online.
I don't think they do any 'extras' which might require condoms anymore. From reading the forum it sounds like they haven't done that stuff since the '70s and '80s. Unless by 'regular' ending you mean a happy ending.
Stalfonso69
06-29-09, 01:27
Had the pleasure of making another trip to ERS this weekend and was lucky enough to catch Diane. All I can say is what has been written in this forum is all true.
If you are a fan of this genre of mongering I think ERS and Diane in particular is one of the best.
On a recent trip to ERS I chose a new lady named Kayla. The lineup didn't include any familiar names so I just chose the lady I found most welcoming in terms of eye contact, a smile, and looks.
It was a very enjoyable experience with the standard service. Kayla was interested in my pleasure and aimed to please. Kayla was generally quiet but would initiate light conversation at times. I thought she had an excellent body from the waist up, nice large natural breasts and a pretty face. She did an interesting body rub with her breasts that I found quite sensual. Kayla is larger on the bottom than I prefer but not obese.
Ynormanb,
I am really bad with names of the girls I enjoy services from. I guess it's because I know it's not their real name, so I just instantly shrug it off as unimportant.
Kayla sounds a lot like the woman I recieved a massage from during my visit. Was she about 25 years old, with reddish hair and big aureolae on her boobs?
I stopped by ERS recently and had a visit with Nina. There were 4-5 others available but in my opinion none came close to her on looks and thankfully she proved very customer service oriented as well. I had a great time, but since my experience didn't differ greatly from what has been described here many times I will spare you a long drawn out account of the seesion repeating what has already been said. Besides the limited menu the only complaint that I could make is that she didn't offer me the opportunity to massage her. Of course, I am partly to blame since I didn't ask. Otherwise well worth the time and money.
On a lighter note, I was all set to make a return visit this past weekend only to find a parade running through town when I got there. I'm from out of town so I had no idea that a special event was planned. While I'm not bashful, I couldn't quite bring myself to stroll through the door with half the town camped out on the sidewalk right outside and didn't have time to wait for the crowd to clear out. I did notice the sign was lit up so I assume they were open. I wonder how bad their business suffered from the disruption.
On a lighter note, I was all set to make a return visit this past weekend only to find a parade running through town when I got there. I'm from out of town so I had no idea that a special event was planned. While I'm not bashful, I couldn't quite bring myself to stroll through the door with half the town camped out on the sidewalk right outside and didn't have time to wait for the crowd to clear out.It's been a long, long time since I visited ERS, but I was under the impression you could arrange to use their back door if you called ahead.
Years ago I went to CLV in the winter and they had their winter parade. I was with you kinda creepy walking in when there are kids sitting outside
I stopped by ERS recently and had a visit with Nina. There were 4-5 others available but in my opinion none came close to her on looks and thankfully she proved very customer service oriented as well. I had a great time, but since my experience didn't differ greatly from what has been described here many times I will spare you a long drawn out account of the seesion repeating what has already been said. Besides the limited menu the only complaint that I could make is that she didn't offer me the opportunity to massage her. Of course, I am partly to blame since I didn't ask. Otherwise well worth the time and money.
On a lighter note, I was all set to make a return visit this past weekend only to find a parade running through town when I got there. I'm from out of town so I had no idea that a special event was planned. While I'm not bashful, I couldn't quite bring myself to stroll through the door with half the town camped out on the sidewalk right outside and didn't have time to wait for the crowd to clear out. I did notice the sign was lit up so I assume they were open. I wonder how bad their business suffered from the disruption.
Hey brome,
There should be a backdoor to ERS, and I'm sure if you called and told them you weren't comfortable going in front door with a parade going on they would let you in the backdoor. I know they have one at CLV down the street.
It's been a long, long time since I visited ERS, but I was under the impression you could arrange to use their back door if you called ahead.
I don't think they 'do greek' there. It's hard to get into their front door. Most of the time, you can only play at the front door, but they won't let you in. If you have luck with someones back door, please let us know who and how deep it was.
Mr Stinky smelling fingers
Hey brome,
There should be a backdoor to ERS, and I'm sure if you called and told them you weren't comfortable going in front door with a parade going on they would let you in the backdoor. I know they have one at CLV down the street.Yep, they absolutely have a door in the alley for those that can't stand coming in off the main street :)
Trickytommy
07-01-09, 20:28
I did make it to ERS during my trip. I made a few wrong turns and was in a bit of a hurry, but it worth it.
I thought it was great.- Belvidere reminded me a lot of the town I went to college in. I wish we had a place like ERS there, though.
I was also asked if I heard about it on the internet. Since I had already told her I was driving through from 350 miles away and ERS isn't really on the interstate, I did say that I had read about it online.
I don't think they do any 'extras' which might require condoms anymore. From reading the forum it sounds like they haven't done that stuff since the '70s and '80s. Unless by 'regular' ending you mean a happy ending.Do you remember which lady you had? Any chance it could've been Sandy?
Yep, they absolutely have a door in the alley for those that can't stand coming in off the main street :)
When I came upon the south edge of the parade route heading into town my first thought was that maybe it didn't go that far up and the area around ERS would be fairly clear. With that in mind I hit the side streets and after finding a way across the river I finally ended up on the side street just north of the block ERS is on. I was disappointed to see the route did in fact go that far up and considerably further from what I could tell. Since I was there I decided to walk up and check the situation out. That is when I found half the town right outside ERS. As I was standing there with a somewhat puzzled WTF type look on my face the idea of a back door (on the building, not the attendants) did occur to me. As I was walking back to my car I glanced down the alley to see if that might be feasible and saw a guy knocking on a door that by my estimation would be about where ERS's backdoor would be which told me that it was in fact an alternative. I considered the idea, but based on the fact there was considerable traffic on the side street, not to mention a cop right there at the intersection I decided to just take the whole situation as a sign that getting a massage was not what I was meant to do on that particular day and headed on my way. There will always be other opportunities.
Do you remember which lady you had? Any chance it could've been Sandy? I am so bad with names of the women I enjoy services from. However, I think there's a good chance that it was Kayla who Ynormanb reported about earlier.
The description he gave sounds just like her, and she told me she had only been working there for a month.
I'll tell you what. I wasn't sure how pretty the women of ERS were going to be. I didn't know what to expect, but then when I opened the door and saw this girl behind the counter, I said to my self, 'Oohh my' and hoped that I would be able to have her give me a massage. She has a very sexy face and smile, and although she was sitting down I could still see her natural curvy figure. Just the right body type for me.
Had a session with Jamie, and she was, as reported by a few members here, fine in many respects. Unfortunately, like another poster experienced, she did the "What are you going to tip?" routine early in the session. That's a deal-breaker for me, especially at a place like ERS where that almost never happens. Ended up giving her .2, which was half of what I'd have given in light of her otherwise good session.
Chicagobob
07-07-09, 07:46
Had a session with Jamie, and she was, as reported by a few members here, fine in many respects. Unfortunately, like another poster experienced, she did the "What are you going to tip?" routine early in the session. That's a deal-breaker for me, especially at a place like ERS where that almost never happens. Ended up giving her .2, which was half of what I'd have given in light of her otherwise good session.I totally agree. In the past year or so, many of the girls ask / try to negotiate a tip 10 minutes into the session. This is a huge turn-off for me as well. I feel I am a pretty good tipper $40 usually but it drops as soon as they ask. With their limited menu choices (I am ok with that when getting a massage), what in the world is agreeing to a big tip going to do.- Will she use two hands and a foot?
A few months ago, I had a session with Jessica. It was a lot of fun until she asked about a tip. I said that since she asked, I was prepared now to tip $20 with good service. She said she cannot provide good service for less than a $60 tip. I told her she was crazy, held at $20 and she finished with as good as service as I've ever had.
Chicagobob
07-07-09, 10:42
I agree with Robert387's post. I do not like being asked for tips and find it a bummer. I had a recent session with Jessica at ERS who asked for a tip 10 mins into the session. I replied that I am now able only to give you $20 for good service and she replied that she needed at least $60. Told her she's crazy and ended up getting a good typical HJ for $20 tip.
We mongers should ban together and discourage this practice. I do not mind tipping say $40 jsut do not like to be blatantly asked for it. How about if a waitress asked for her tip before she brought your meal. That would be wierd!
Maybe some of the girls will read this post
Chicagobob out.
I agree with Robert387's post. I do not like being asked for tips and find it a bummer. I had a recent session with Jessica at ERS who asked for a tip 10 mins into the session. I replied that I am now able only to give you $20 for good service and she replied that she needed at least $60. Told her she's crazy and ended up getting a good typical HJ for $20 tip.
We mongers should ban together and discourage this practice. I do not mind tipping say $40 jsut do not like to be blatantly asked for it. How about if a waitress asked for her tip before she brought your meal. That would be wierd!
Maybe some of the girls will read this post
Chicagobob out.Are the signs on the wall still there? the ones that says that service is all inclusive and tips should not be solicited by the ladies?
I have never been asked, but if I did I would say that she will find out when the session is over, I tip on her service not tip to get service. the better the service the better the tip, not the other way around. so if she wants a good tip then give good service.
I know the talent at CLV is not as good as ERS and the accomodations leave much to be desired, however, I don't think in the 5 or so times I have been there I have ever been asked for a tip. Maybe when ERS starts losing customers the management will ask what's going on. Given the size of Belvidere I am sure word would eventually get to the owner.
Just a thought.
Came across a CL posting "BBW with Tallent" a couple days ago in the gigs "adult" section on the rkfd postings. Gota couple pics in the e-mail not a bad looker, deff thick was wondering is any one had a chance to visit with this one. Claims to live out just east of Belvidere. And the price is nice and low.
I thought about this after I slept on it. It says right on the wall what the attendant is making for the session which is $45. I know a person who is a marketing mgr for a medical device company who creates leads for the salespeople makes $40/hour, (she has an MBA from Yale). The workers at ERS are not required to be liscensed or have any training at all. The workers for the UAW recently took a paycut to keep their jobs and they were averaging around $23/hour. A plumber or electrical unioun worker doesn't make $45/hour. I would say that a mechanic probably makes that. I saw an ad for a liscensed massuese at a chiropractic clinic and they were offering $40/hour. I mentioned it to a girl who used to work at ERS (the one who was caught rifling through pockets) and she said, "that is chump change." To give it a little more perspective, if you check these forums in say Washington Park, IL there are a few places down there where good looking dancers, comparable to those at ERS will take you to a private room and give you more than what you get at ERS for $50 total. I think a message needs to be sent to the greedy women at ERS that we are in a tough economy and they are making pretty good money even if they don't get tipped. Just another couple of thoughts.
Undie Radar
07-08-09, 23:16
I thought about this after I slept on it. It says right on the wall what the attendant is making for the session which is $45. I know a person who is a marketing mgr for a medical device company who creates leads for the salespeople makes $40/hour, (she has an MBA from Yale). The workers at ERS are not required to be liscensed or have any training at all. The workers for the UAW recently took a paycut to keep their jobs and they were averaging around $23/hour. A plumber or electrical unioun worker doesn't make $45/hour. I would say that a mechanic probably makes that. I saw an ad for a liscensed massuese at a chiropractic clinic and they were offering $40/hour. I mentioned it to a girl who used to work at ERS (the one who was caught rifling through pockets) and she said, "that is chump change." To give it a little more perspective, if you check these forums in say Washington Park, IL there are a few places down there where good looking dancers, comparable to those at ERS will take you to a private room and give you more than what you get at ERS for $50 total. I think a message needs to be sent to the greedy women at ERS that we are in a tough economy and they are making pretty good money even if they don't get tipped. Just another couple of thoughts.I agree wholeheartedly. While I am not cheap and will always tip, I believe that the going rate for a rub and tug ahould be in the $ range. At ERS which I have frequented a fair bit my tip is in the 20-25 range. When World went to.75 for their base fee, I began visiting MC down the street where the massage is.65, tip I provide is.4 and they don't ask for it. People who throw around extravagant amounts of money for service are responsible for wrecking attitudes and result in the "chump change" statement.
HappyIndyGuy
07-09-09, 02:04
I agree with Robert387's post. I do not like being asked for tips and find it a bummer. I had a recent session with Jessica at ERS who asked for a tip 10 mins into the session. I replied that I am now able only to give you $20 for good service and she replied that she needed at least $60. Told her she's crazy and ended up getting a good typical HJ for $20 tip.
We mongers should ban together and discourage this practice. I do not mind tipping say $40 jsut do not like to be blatantly asked for it. How about if a waitress asked for her tip before she brought your meal. That would be wierd!
Maybe some of the girls will read this post
Chicagobob out.She did the same to me.
Add me to the growing list of people gripping about the ladies asking for tips. One fact that Bbbuddy left out is that all the jobs he listed are "hourly" wages. The girls in the massage joints don't work hourly. A girl in CLV or ERS can sit on her money-maker all day and only get 1 customer. That $45 then gets spread over 6 hours or so. Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending them, but if you're going to compare, make it apples to apples. I think a 20 or 25 tip is well within the norm, considering what you actually get for your money. " You may be right, I may be crazy."
Stinky Out Collecting Cans
I agree with you stinky, there are some girls at ERS that I will not choose to ever have massage me, however, it seems even they do get customers and I am sure they are making money or they wouldn't be there. The paticular girl I mentioned who made the comment about chump change used to brag about routinely be busy from the moment she came in until she left and would say she left with $1000. I would say 8 appointments of massage is considerable work but $1000, cmon. That's over $200k a year. Now who should we feel sorry for? The other fact you failed to recognize is that if she is making $1000 a day then she is making at least $500 or more in tips which is not taxed that's worth at least another $125 per day. Again, I agree there are girls that do much less but they IMHO look like they can't expect to be in this league.
Luckily there were no parades going on when I was passing through, so I successfully made my return visit to ERS recently. I ended up picking Jamie since I remembered the name from here and thought that it had been mentioned in a positive light. I found her to be attractive, pleasant to talk to, and very competent at massage work. On the down side, I found her to be a little too business like during the massage compared to the sensual, flirty, playful attitude that my previous session with Nina had. Though she did get "comfortable" prior to starting the massage and did warm up nicely on the flip, it seemed she intentionally avoided coming into touching range during the massage itself and confined her rubbing to the strictly legit areas. In all fairness, I can't call the session bad since it was on par with the average service I am used to in HJ only AMPs for roughly the same price, It just wasn't what I was expecting/ looking for at that time so I felt a little let down. Bottom line, I wouldn't leave if she was the only one available, but I won't make seeing her a top priority on future visits either.
In reference to the discussion on tipping in the last several posts, I have not been asked for a tip during or after the session either time I was there. In both cases I left .25 and they seemed okay/happy with it. IMHO .70 for an hours work is a good wage. Even if they do only get one or two customers a day that is still pretty good money considering the work doesn't require any great amount of skill or education to do and the effort they have to put into earning it isn't exactly backbreaking labor either. I can remember a time when I worked alot harder for less. In the past I have experimented with offering higher tips in places where the tip is negotiated in advance to see if the service improved. I found that in most cases you simply end up paying more for the same level of effort and generally wasting your money. Based on that opinion, if the tip is negotiated up front I offer the "going rate" based on what I see here and refuse to budge. I have never been refused extras, although at times I think the quality of the service probably suffered a bit due to hurt feelings. If no tip is agreed to prior, I follow the same basic principal as I do in restaurants. Better service= better tip and vice versa.
If one of the girls tried that on me I would get dressed and walk out and go right to the front desk and ask for my money back. There are signs right on the wall asking us to report girls asking for a tip...start doing it and this will stop right away.
Had a session with Jamie, and she was, as reported by a few members here, fine in many respects. Unfortunately, like another poster experienced, she did the "What are you going to tip?" routine early in the session. That's a deal-breaker for me, especially at a place like ERS where that almost never happens. Ended up giving her .2, which was half of what I'd have given in light of her otherwise good session.
Massagegirl99
07-13-09, 20:23
The girls of CLV and ERS have known about this site for a long time. And in this entire time I believe there was only once that a girl actually posted a response. But when I read all of the last posts about tipping, I had to speak my mind. First of all, this is not a job where we are paid hourly. Someone did mention that earlier (thanks). We are not busy all day long, no matter how attractive. Things have been very slow due to the economy so sometimes we do sit all day. No one makes $1000 a day. The one person that did was doing extras and stealing and she was fired. We understand that tipping is not required. But if you don't wish to tip, do not try to do anything that is not included. What is included in the $45? A massage and a HJ. No breast kissing, no rubbing down there. So yes, if you're going to be doing all that extra touching, don't you think you should tip? We don't let you do it because its included, we do it hoping you'll be more satisfied and tip us. So, if you were asked for a tip, it was probably because you were doing some extra feeling around.
For the guy that said that a licensed masseuse earns $40, well is she naked and jacking you off? Obviously not, or you would go see her instead of coming to us. Regardless of whether the job involves skill, its very degrading to women. It doesn't matter what the girl says, she hates her job because there are a lot of unappreciative men that treat you like garbage. Of course we don't tell you that. We want to make you feel good, because thats part of our job. Some guys are very respectful and sweet and it does make the job a ton easier. But some are jerks that just want to paw you to death and complain about tips. You know who you are. Our job is hard mentally. But we do it because there are no jobs out there. There are good days but without tips, it doesn't equal much. Its not the amount of the tip. Its realizing that we provide a valuable service and appreciating that. We tip when we get our hair and nails done and go out to restaurants.
Have you not seen the high turnover in the last few months? Girls are sick of being mistreated. Many have left for regular jobs because the little extra they make working at massage parlours isn't worth it if you're treated like an object. We are not your sex toy that you get to manhandle for 45 bucks. We are real people. And the profession is about being mutually beneficial to each other. And I don't mean getting us off too. For all the guys that understand this, thank you. I'm sure you are one of the customers that are respectful and that we enjoy having. For everyone else, take it how you want to.
Au Buffguy
07-14-09, 13:23
I think Massagegirl99 makes a great case for treating these ladies right.
The girls of CLV and ERS have known about this site for a long time. And in this entire time I believe there was only once that a girl actually posted a response. But when I read all of the last posts about tipping, I had to speak my mind. First of all, this is not a job where we are paid hourly. Someone did mention that earlier (thanks). We are not busy all day long, no matter how attractive. Things have been very slow due to the economy so sometimes we do sit all day. No one makes $1000 a day. The one person that did was doing extras and stealing and she was fired. We understand that tipping is not required. But if you don't wish to tip, do not try to do anything that is not included. What is included in the $45? A massage and a HJ. No breast kissing, no rubbing down there. So yes, if you're going to be doing all that extra touching, don't you think you should tip? We don't let you do it because its included, we do it hoping you'll be more satisfied and tip us. So, if you were asked for a tip, it was probably because you were doing some extra feeling around.
For the guy that said that a licensed masseuse earns $40, well is she naked and jacking you off? Obviously not, or you would go see her instead of coming to us. Regardless of whether the job involves skill, its very degrading to women. It doesn't matter what the girl says, she hates her job because there are a lot of unappreciative men that treat you like garbage. Of course we don't tell you that. We want to make you feel good, because thats part of our job. Some guys are very respectful and sweet and it does make the job a ton easier. But some are jerks that just want to paw you to death and complain about tips. You know who you are. Our job is hard mentally. But we do it because there are no jobs out there. There are good days but without tips, it doesn't equal much. Its not the amount of the tip. Its realizing that we provide a valuable service and appreciating that. We tip when we get our hair and nails done and go out to restaurants.
Have you not seen the high turnover in the last few months? Girls are sick of being mistreated. Many have left for regular jobs because the little extra they make working at massage parlours isn't worth it if you're treated like an object. We are not your sex toy that you get to manhandle for 45 bucks. We are real people. And the profession is about being mutually beneficial to each other. And I don't mean getting us off too. For all the guys that understand this, thank you. I'm sure you are one of the customers that are respectful and that we enjoy having. For everyone else, take it how you want to.I do not post much on here, but I could not resist. If you get 2 or 3 customers per day at $45 shut up. Many of us make that per day working 8 hours a day. Then we pay taxes, you don't. If you don't like the job find another one or quit. Nobody is forcing you to work at any job. If you get a $10-20 tip be happy. The other thing is get your GED and go to college.
I am sorry that you are stuck in a job that is so degrading and that you hate. The plain truth is that in recent studies close to 75% of the american workforce hates their jobs, however I do empathize with the degradation factor.
It is valid what you said about tipping for stylists or waiters/bartenders, however, if you read the prior posts the girl in question was asking up front for a tip before any service was even rendered so your theory of them doing extra touching would not apply. If she politely explained that our standard massage includes exactly what you said and if there is any touching beyond that then an additional tip is customary I am sure the posters in question would not have been so turned off. So by your own argument if I go in and the massage is just an average massage and I don't even try any mutual touching then no tip should be required. I have two jobs and one of them is a position where I am paid tips and the other full time position is one where I generate commissions.(so neither of my postions do I have any guarantees) The position where I make tips I am on my feet for a 7 to 10 hour shift and deal with around 125 to 200 wanting drinks and to make $45/hour would be a good thing. Our points were plain and simple, it is a tough economy as you admitted in your post, and for someone to discuss tips up front when someone is already paying $95 is quite off putting.(and as you can see by reading the posts, it actually backfired on her twice and cost her $20 each time)
I don't know what type of goofball goes in there treating the women badly, however, personally I make it a way of life to respect everyone, whether it be the busboy that brings me my water or the attendant who gives me my massage. I know what it feels like to give your best and get nothing in return so I do empathize with your position, and from your post it doesn't sound like you are the girl in question that is asking for tips upfront. Since you can read the girl's name on here you might want to take her aside and explain that she is only hurting herself and others, as well as possibly driving men to other providers since I am quite sure that some of your customers probably drive all the way from the chicago suburbs to come to ERS. Just a thought, and appreciate your tactful post.
Fork Please
07-14-09, 17:38
I think Massagegirl99 made a good post there. Your job is tough, no doubt about it.
I think MikinRock made a really lame post, simplistic, ignorant and downright angry.
Emp Fan 473
07-14-09, 17:50
As I've said in the past, I tip based on my experience. I treat the ladies with respect and what is/isn't allowed decides the level of tip. I've not tipped before and it was due to bad service & I spoke up.
Now as far as the comment posted about shutting up if you're getting 2-3 people @ $45 each... not only was it out of line, the math doesn't really add up. Even at 3 & rounding up, $17/hr without benefits isn't a lot to live off of. You are also assuming the IRS would let people slide for not paying any taxes, Whether they report all or part of their tips is irrelevant, the Fed's going to be getting something as they do with anyone working on commission/tips. Disagree?!? Perhaps you are the one needing a GED.
When I was in a few weeks ago, I had no up sell because the girls I frequent already know I tip. If I had an up sell, I'd speak up & that I determine tip afterward and that it should be a matter of mutual trust. If the tip-talk went any further, I'd let them know it's a turn off and affecting the tip, plain and simple. Most girls respond better when treated better. As with any business, some customers aren't great & go too far - and some girls aren't customer friendly.
For the majority of time, I've had great girls w/great personalities and in turn, I've tried to be a decent customer. I leave happy & I believe the tip I leave is adequate for the level of service rendered.
It's not tipping if it's required at the beginning of the session. That's about as stupid as thinking that your paid an escort a donation, or that the girls report all their income to the irs.
It sounds like tipping is the new euphemism for upcharge.
ERS used to be a great deal. You pay your $80, and maybe tip $20 at the end. And that was a tip not an upcharge. Now it's like $140 total for a hj.
And yes, the job probably does suck, but it pays really well. If you don't like your situation then go to school and get a job that pays more.
I think there is a middle ground in all of this. I think it is unreasonable to expect a 60 dollar tip for just a massage, a peek at the goods and a HR. But I think it is ridiculous for the customer to think a lady should have deliver near everything you can reasonably expect to get for 0 to 20 dollars extra. I can see how they could feel degraded, even the old hags (not that they are all old hags, many are though) at the amps would expect more than 20, if they had to deliver the same service. I have been in this hobby long enough to know when one of these ladies is trying to do a good job and when one is trying to just get to the finish. I have also been around long enough to know what is a small tip and what is generous. I tip based upon my past experiences and what they cost, compare it to the current experience. If it compares to my better experiences, I am generous, if not the tip reflects it. I learned long ago that over tipping for bad service just encourages bad service, the same way that being cheap encourages bad service. I think Emp Fan laid it out perfect, besides CLV is down the street, 50 dollars door, 35 tip up front, that is pretty fair price for a massage and release. You may not think they are as young or attractive as ERS, or the massage may be a bit rushed, but you may get lucky and find someone who meets expectations and expects little or no tip.
Mellow Guy
07-14-09, 22:09
Well, we've heard a lot here.
I haven't posted in a while but this topic has me typing again.
Man, I was thinking about making another trip to ERS soon, but now that we got the inside scoop as to how us customers are regarded, kinda takes the steam out of my enthusiasm.
I don't see the issue being if to tip and how much, but if it's proper to ask for a tip either before, or early into the session. Girl99, I think it's a valid point. When you get your nails done, or go for a meal, these folks don't ask what you're going to tip before they provide their services. You'd most likely consider that rude.
Once we've paid the door, we want to relax and enjoy a sensual experience. The last thing we need at that moment is to be reminded again that it's all about the money.
And as long as you've brought up our current economic situation from your standpoint, well I'd like to address that too.
I was doing allright until about a year ago when the company I was working for went Chapter 13. Many of us lost our jobs nationwide. I was unable to go to an MP for months, and finally found another job 8 months ago. My pay is nowhere near what it was, but I'm thankful that I'm working. But one change is, a visit to ERS is now a major financial decision. Sometimes I have to save up for a trip. Your post seems to suggest to me that while you're worried about how much you put in your purse (and I don't blame you one bit for that), you have no realization that I have to work almost a full day just to make enough money just for the door, then gas to and from the suburbs, the tip. Hey, sometimes.20 or.30 is a lot of money to someone like me.
I'm glad to have had a number of ladies tell me how much they enjoyed our session because of my gentlemanly behavior. But if you demand respect from us customers, at least respect the fact that a lot of us aren't wealthy and have to put in many hours at lousy jobs for one hour with you. And be thankful, in this economy, that there's enough of us still showing up at your door with our hard earned dollars.
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Now as far as the comment posted about shutting up if you're getting 2-3 people @ $45 each... not only was it out of line, the math doesn't really add up. Even at 3 & rounding up, $17/hr without benefits isn't a lot to live off of. You are also assuming the IRS would let people slide for not paying any taxes, Whether they report all or part of their tips is irrelevant, the Fed's going to be getting something as they do with anyone working on commission/tips. Disagree?!? Perhaps you are the one needing a GED.
I agree that $17 an hour is not exactly great money and the IRS and state are certainly going to get theirs, but I think there is a crucial point this line of thinking leaves out. As several people have correctly pointed out the girls only get paid when they are "on the clock" with a customer and they might spend hours or possibly the entire day without getting a customer. While this is a valid point for the girl when considering if this line of work is worth the time she is investing, I would disagree with the apparent suggestion that the customers they do get should feel obligated to subsidize that down time with higher tips. In my opinion, the customer is only responsible for providing fair compensation for the hour they spend with the girl. Defining fair compensation is of course a matter of judgement that the customer has to make based on what they feel the service is worth, but $70 seems about right to me ($45 from the door and a $25 tip).
To put this is perspective, lets assume that we do tip more during slow times to help even out the girls income. Does that mean that on busy days they will offer a discount to even out our expenditures? Somehow I doubt it. Because of the intimate nature of the services involved it is sometimes hard to keep in mind that this is in fact a business transaction, but that is the case. Nothing more, nothing less. You can bet the girls never lose sight of that fact and neither should we customers. By all means treat the girls with common courtesy and respect, but don't let your emotions fool you into paying for more than the time you spend with her and the services rendered.
Mellow Guy really puts it all in perspective.
In the rest of the business world tips are supposed to reflect the quality of service; unfortunately in the restaurant business the 15% tip has basically become an expected amount regardless of service.
Of course this business operates in a gray area and the market will ultimately determine what's fair.
In this business what is a reasonable amount to tip for the basic services?
As far as what the girls make in a day that really isn't a concern of mine; I am only interested in how well I am taken care of. It should stand to reason that if business is slow she could (and should) offer a higher level of service since she isn't being worked as hard in the day. When that happens her tip should reflect it.
If the girls don't like what they are making they are free to get a job in the real world.
If we don't like their service we shouldn't patronize them.
Mellow Guy
07-16-09, 20:19
Well, Zeuss, this is why this board exists.
When I first went venturing out into this hobby late (relatively) in life, I was lucky enough to find this board. I have used it's advise a lot.
I didn't know what to tip or what to expect, but the board showed me a guideline I still use. .2 for expected service, .3 if I thought it was better than expected. One time in Rockford I tipped .3, and was told "the usual tip is .4". Never saw the girl again. I'm not saying to adopt that rule, but it has worked for me, and I figure it into the cost of my trip.
This board also helps you find the providers that are worth spending your money on.
I'd be willing to bet that Diana from ERS doesn't complain about money too much. I found a high reccomendation about her on this board, and was glad I did. Every time has been great, and I felt worth every penny spent. My only problem with her is when I try to find her lately, it seems she's always booked with appointments. No wonder why. Now, I don't know Diana out of ERS, and for all I know, she thinks I'm a big dumb S.O.B., but in the room, she makes me feel like a king. She sure doesn't act like she hates her job.
Now, I use Diana as an example. I'm sure some other girls are giving great service too. Point is, we out here rely on the information on the board to steer us the right way. I gotta thank all the experienced posters here for the info they've shared and I've used to my benefit.
I also agree, Zuess, that a customer shouldn't be expected to pay more if they show up on a slow day, just as I don't think Burger King should charge extra for Whoppers on a slow day. I think Burger King should be grateful that I paid $4 for 2 Whoppers so their day wasn't as slow as it could have been.
Now, I'm not totally disagreeing with Massagegirl's posting. She does make some good points. Whatever you paid at the door, whatever you paid for a tip, you bought the massage, not the girl. She still is a human, with feelings and pressures and a real life. For those looking to grope and nibble because you think you'll get better service, good luck.
I've had a number of conversations with ladies who, after getting comfortable with me, have told me of some of the bizzare things guys will try to do during a session. My suggestion is once, just once, try treating her like a person, an human... there's plenty of time in the room to converse. Ask her questions. Let her talk about herself. I think you'll find that in the end, you'll get a way more enjoyable experience than if you go in acting like a wild animal.
Who really things these girls claims their tips on their taxes??? If you're not paying taxes then $17/hr is equal to $30/hr in the legit world. $30/hr. Plus if you're only claiming $10,000 a year on your taxes then you get earned income tax credit, so that puts them up to the equivalent of like $35/hr.
Please tell me why a woman with kids can't make it on $35 unless something else is going on in her life?
I like this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFUDbOldMs
Midwest Roam
07-16-09, 21:21
Who really things these girls claims their tips on their taxes??? If you're not paying taxes then $17/hr is equal to $30/hr in the legit world. $30/hr. Plus if you're only claiming $10,000 a year on your taxes then you get earned income tax credit, so that puts them up to the equivalent of like $35/hr.
Please tell me why a woman with kids can't make it on $35 unless something else is going on in her life?
I like this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFUDbOldMs
Most SWs probably don't even file. Especially the drug users. The IRS is more interested in the high price call girl, like the one that brought down Elliot Spitzer in New York. Unless the girl is bringing in six figures a year its probably not worth their time to investigate,
I remember and interesting story where the IRS estimated a call girl's income based on the number of towels she got each week from her laundry service.
Had a session with Jamie, and she was, as reported by a few members here, fine in many respects. Unfortunately, like another poster experienced, she did the "What are you going to tip?" routine early in the session. That's a deal-breaker for me, especially at a place like ERS where that almost never happens. Ended up giving her .2, which was half of what I'd have given in light of her otherwise good session.I agree, lately Jamie has become a bit greedy / annoying. In my last session with her she asked me if I am planning spend some money. And she said hundred bucks and I will put 'it' in my mouth. Bargaining is a turn off for me so I said no. I have never gone to her after that.
George Glass
07-21-09, 16:24
I visited ers yesterday, and had a really good session after a long day. Think her name was Kayla or Carly. Not much talking, which was good because I really wasn't in the mood. Tipped .2
Emp Fan 473
07-22-09, 15:51
I agree, lately Jamie has become a bit greedy / annoying. In my last session with her she asked me if I am planning spend some money. And she said hundred bucks and I will put 'it' in my mouth. Bargaining is a turn off for me so I said no. I have never gone to her after that.Had this and didn't pay more than my normal tip. It's not her mouth, she's using the chin trick.
Not to start a pissing match, but what I said about taxes should be common knowledge by now, the IRS has been hiring and hitting "smaller fish" since they can make more $$ in a poor economy that way as opposed to bigger fish who can afford the legal help. It's no where near as complicated as you may assume with a lot of people filing electronically. If you have friends that are bartenders, waiters, etc. working on tips in "legit" industries, ask them & I guarantee you will hear that if they haven't been hit, they know a co-worker that has received the automated mailing for an audit.
In the meantime, I've moved away from visiting the ERS as much as I used to and head further up to Madison since you can get more at a flat rate. If you don't know about Madison, rtff on the WI page.
When you say had this, are you saying you agreed to the mouth bit and found out she was doing the chin trick and called her out on it and gave her the normal tip. Or did she not discuss anything first just did the chin trick.
Raoul Duke
07-22-09, 23:53
Decided to take a drive and visit some old haunts. Stopped in @ ERS and had a session w/Sam. Hit the tub and then back to the room for a little r&r. Decent rubdown, nice personality.
Still requiring additional therapy, I made my way up to CL. I wasn't thrilled with the selection, so I took a pass.
Headed to Golden Hands and was about to walk out as the older babe at the door didn't do it for me, but I was told that Nat would be able to see me. I waited in the room for way too long when the older woman who greeted me walked in. She made some excuse that Nat wasn't there, although I knew she was because I heard her in the next room. Well, I shoulda left cause I don't like being lied to, but I had a kink in my neck, so I let her rub it out.
The old girl gave one helluva rub, probably the best I've ever had. Her technique must come from years of practice. Didn't catch her name, but you can't miss her.
Emp Fan 473
07-23-09, 17:50
When you say had this, are you saying you agreed to the mouth bit and found out she was doing the chin trick and called her out on it and gave her the normal tip. Or did she not discuss anything first just did the chin trick.
We went through the whole 'more is available' and gave a quote and told her what I've said in the previous few posts. She gave the chin job, perhaps hoping I couldn't tell the difference. I complemented her on the cj when I tipped, just so we were both on the same page as to what was done & not done. I gave .3 which is .1 more than I usually tip - the overall experience was better than an average session at ERS.
Emp Fan 473
07-24-09, 14:22
Just to add to what I said yesterday, I usually frown on extras at ERS, since it isn't part of their normal routine. The girls that offer more are usually gone shortly after, no matter how good their service was. Don't know if they risk rocking the boat with the locals, who leave them pretty much alone, or they just don't want to go that route as a whole.
Hi all,
I'll be up in R-ford and Belvidere on Wednesday on business and am looking for some help in finding a little FS. I've read about CLV and ERS, although it seems FS isn't available...I might settle for less.
I would be appreciative if anyone could pm with some details on ERS or CLV (recommended providers, available services) or even some digits to providers. I will be happy to reciporocate with digits and descriptions of my providers in the city and burbs.
Thanks for any help you can give!
Just curious -- how many of you guys opt for the Jacuzzi when it's available? I used to and liked the "foreplay" in the pool; however, I've not partaken for the last few visits because it cuts into the already short time of the massage. Any strong preferences one way or the other?
Just curious -- how many of you guys opt for the Jacuzzi when it's available? I used to and liked the "foreplay" in the pool; however, I've not partaken for the last few visits because it cuts into the already short time of the massage. Any strong preferences one way or the other?
This subject has come up before. Personally, I won't do the jacuzzi. Not only does it shorten the time, but I refuse to sit in a tub where one of you mongets has already had your naked ass and balls. Not to mention, if someone gets real hot, I don't want your little spermies floating around me.
Nope, let me take a shower and have to girl crawl all over me, not your butt cheese.
Stinky Getting sick
Fork Please
08-14-09, 00:13
This subject has come up before. Personally, I won't do the jacuzzi. Not only does it shorten the time, but I refuse to sit in a tub where one of you mongets has already had your naked ass and balls. Not to mention, if someone gets real hot, I don't want your little spermies floating around me.
Nope, let me take a shower and have to girl crawl all over me, not your butt cheese.
Stinky Getting sick
gross..LOL
I'm with Stinky on this one.....for BOTH reasons.
I don't think the girls are real fond of it either.
Mac Man
Hadn't given it that much thought before, but Stinky's right on. Will skip it from now on.
Funtimesneed
08-15-09, 17:21
I usually go in the jacuzzi but now that you guys mention it i will probably skip it next time, even thought the session i had last with jamie the jacuzzi was a lot of fun. I wonder how ofen they clean and change the water in there.
Hey Guys,
I post on the Michigan boards but always check on the places where I used to live or traveled to. I lived in Rockford, for 8 years, moved over 12 years ago but have a lot of fond memories of Belvidere and ERS and CLV, but mostly ERS. There was a tall blond that worked at ERS in the mid 90's, I can't remember her name, Shelly ...? She was average looks about 35, nice breasts C's ...this was 12 to 15 years ago ! She lived in Beloit, husband wasn't working and drank a lot. OK, I would always ask for her, or call and make an appointment because she would let me ...well....get her off... she would pull me toward her while she was lying on the table , and my fingers were working their magic, she would bite my shoulder and claw my back, and tell me to make her cum and she orgasimed. It led to an awesome HJ finish, with some dirty talking, always COB because she was so horny. The last two times I saw her, after I got her off, I did get a BBBJCOB.
So lets hear it for drunk unemployed husbands with hot wives ! YES !
Just some awesome memories....
The last time I was in Belvidere was in early 2000 after an apparent reform election to clean up the city and ERS was closed. CLV was open but the girls had to keep clothes on and you could "pleasure yourself" during the massage.
Glad to see its back to business as usual.
PM me if you are headed my way I'll let you know what I can. Again just rembering a few good times. And as always stay safe
Scheduled a session with Nina yesterday. Even though I planned on not doing so, I took the jacuzzi based on some good action with Jamie in there on a previous visit. Was OK this time, but will definitely skip in the future. Session was fine with everything done (doggone it) by the ERS rules. Tipped the standard .2 for which she gave a genuine "thank you." Will probably go with Nina again next time, skip the jacuzzi, and go for a double pop instead.
Matchstick
08-16-09, 13:03
I have been watching this board for a few months and taking the information I have been viewing I finally went to ERS about two weeks ago and was very satisfied. Thank you gentlemen for all of the previous information posted to help us 'newbies'.
I do have a question about Nina. By chance is she the same Nina that I have seen post on CV, BP, and (well no more) CL? Early 20's, tattoos, and dark hair? Really curious since I wanted to call her way back when but never got around to it.
Again, thanks everyone for wonderful information.
Blmnewcomer
08-16-09, 19:32
I was always under the impression at ERS that:
1) The guy was supposed to shower there before the session starts
2) The jacuzzi was treated much like a swimming pool with a certain amount of chemical
3) Underwater pops were not allowed
Thus, I never worried about the jacuzzi. However, it's been a while, so maybe things have changed?
Service Man
08-16-09, 20:54
Greetings,
I was passing near ERS today, so I decided to stop in and see who was available. Luckily, Diana was not busy when I got there. So, I spent the hour visit with her, and had a good time. I know she is not everyone's preference, but I always have fun with her.
I normally skip the Jacuzzi too. I like to spend the extra time in the room.
SM
All your points are true. You can smell the chlorine when you go in the jacuzzi. I don't think there is any popping going on in the jacuzzi however with a little play going on there is a chance from some pre-jizz to be present, but again with the presence of all that chlorine I would think it is taken care of. I would worry more about the rednecks who don't wash their asses well.
All your points are true. You can smell the chlorine when you go in the jacuzzi. I don't think there is any popping going on in the jacuzzi however with a little play going on there is a chance from some pre-jizz to be present, but again with the presence of all that chlorine I would think it is taken care of. I would worry more about the rednecks who don't wash their asses well.That "chlorine smell" is actually not chlorine but chloramines, which are what you get when you mix the chlorine with body oils, sweat, urine, jizz, etc. If you can smell it, it generally means that there is not enough chlorine in the pool.
Rub & Tugged
08-18-09, 11:33
I don't see the attraction to Belvidere when you can get FS at Chantilly Lace in Rockford for about the same price
At ERS there are some attendants who give great service and are with you almost the full hour. Also sometimes a massage is just more satisfying than say getting rushed out at FS. I have been to CL maybe 3 or 4 times and each time the girl was trying to get it done as quickly as possible. One petite girl was complaining about the size of my package and said we couldn't do FS and she would have to do HR. The surroundings at ERS are much nicer than CL, and CL is more in line with CLV with the ratty old couches you sit on.
There are also some guys that just want a HR. Maybe they come from the Bill Clinton school and think if its not FS it's not cheating.
Just some thoughts.
I don't see the attraction to Belvidere when you can get FS at Chantilly Lace in Rockford for about the same priceThe same price?
Maybe I'm not a great negotiator, but my experience was that in the least, you'd spend $.5 more at Chantilly Lace, and the experience was far less enjoyable. I agree there are times that nothing will substitute for the old in-and-out, but variety is the spice of life.
You must be a bad negotiator or prices have gone up substantially. Ever time I have been to CL it has been the door fee and $ for FS. So all told only $75 more than ERS door fee and about $50 more if you tip. The first time I was at the place across the street from CL I paid the door fee on my card and then didn't bring any cash so when she asked what else I wanted to do after she got naked and I had fun with her tits and pussy, I gave her the card for her fee she quoted and she said no it's got to be in cash, and I said this is all I got. She said well since you didn't know any better I'll take care of that throbbing problem you have there and gave me HR. So wasn't a bad day for the $70 door fee. Ofcourse she said when you come back you will remember me next time? To which I said sure. Either way like I said in the last post, sometimes a good massage and rub is all that is needed, and sometimes more satisfying then a rushed FS job, but that's just my 2 cents. Peace.
Stay safe.
YEver time I have been to CL it has been the door fee and $ for FS. So all told only $75 more than ERS door fee and about $50 more if you tip.Why is this any different than what I said?
$.5 = $50
At any rate, $150 is not "about the same price" as $100 in my book - it's 50% more.
Emp Fan 473
08-19-09, 18:02
That "chlorine smell" is actually not chlorine but chloramines, which are what you get when you mix the chlorine with body oils, sweat, urine, jizz, etc. If you can smell it, it generally means that there is not enough chlorine in the pool.
I've not gone into the jacuzzi in a while - if you ask, most of the girls don't care to go in it because it dries their skin out.
It is not some much about the full service as the atmosphere. I much rather spend an hour having an erotic rub down with a good provider(IE: Diana and Peggy in the past) and HR than an uninspired rushed full service session.
If you look at how you phrased it you said $.5 more than ERS, which would make a session at CL, somewhere around $$.5. I understand if you are saying $.5 total then we would be on the same page, and we are also on the same page that CL is not as satisfying since there are some that rush you out.
One more opinion on the current mini-debate on this topic: I agree that the pricing is almost the same. For me, ERS typically runs $.2 total. And yes, if we want to deceive ourselves, as we all do, then there is some "romance" involved prior to the standard HE. At CL it's .55 for the HH door fee, and then typically .4, .6, or .8, depending on your choice of service. (I simply refuse to go higher than that in this economy and walk out if necessary -- which basically never is necessary.) As for the "romance factor," I guess that's a matter of one's interpretation. So, bottom line, at least IMHO, is that ERS and CL are basically the same while still being different, so to speak.
One more opinion on the current mini-debate on this topic: I agree that the pricing is almost the same. For me, ERS typically runs $.2 total. And yes, if we want to deceive ourselves, as we all do, then there is some "romance" involved prior to the standard HE. At CL it's .55 for the HH door fee, and then typically .4, .6, or .8, depending on your choice of service. (I simply refuse to go higher than that in this economy and walk out if necessary -- which basically never is necessary.) As for the "romance factor," I guess that's a matter of one's interpretation. So, bottom line, at least IMHO, is that ERS and CL are basically the same while still being different, so to speak.I think I used my shorthand incorrectly, which is why people got confused. When I said I spent $.5 more, I really meant that I spent .5 more. I was multiplying instead of adding.
Carry on.
Relentless
08-23-09, 19:52
I have not been to ERS for 2 or more years. My last visit was with a girl I had seen many times with very positive visits and almost friendship. At that time tipping was not a common practice and only occasionally one tipped. This girl said to me "you buy our service and not us". I do not go there for HJ or massage but a fantasy of experience and this was such a big turn off that I have never visited the place. No girls at that time were asking for tip (except for Janet who always was money hungry). I did tip to some very nice girls but it was my choice. This whole talk about money bores me and ruins experience to the point of not wanting to visit ever again.
I do go at least four times a year to Montreal Canada and see escorts about two a day for about 160 to 180 C$. There is never talk about money. You just leave the money on a table and in the end the girl just picks up and goes away. None of them have asked me for tip and they are willing to do everything except anal which needs extra money. Their attitude is to please a customer and money is seen as incidental. This makes an experience fantastic. I have seen about 54 to 72 girls a year and never thought of money I was spending. I know I can afford it and that makes it even more like haggling in a bazzar and I would rather self pleasure than be aggravated about tip and money. I was wondering about visiting ERS but this whole talk of tipping and money has got me really turned off.
Relentless
08-23-09, 21:28
I thought I would add more to the previous report.
If the girls feel that they should get more money they should negotiate with the management and change the door price. That way nobody will be dealing with extortionist tipping to make a visit good and if the management decided to charge $150 or $140 as the door price and no tipping we will see how much business will thrive. Not much I believe. Which makes this bait and switch tactic and this is despised throughout any industry and in other businesses there are actually legal penalties for this.
This type of escalating prices do exist in Amsterdam and Hamburg and other countries where prostitution is legal. However the business is so strictly touristic that there is almost no expectation of return business and motto is rip the guy off fast and get him out quick. In my escapades I have been to both of these places in the past and have spent an amount of money always feeling ripped because you have to pay more for nude, touching breasts, sucking nipples, fingering and what not. Obviously it was a phase and I never would go back there. I realize it has become more extortinist from the reports.
ERS on the other hand has limited client source not the unlimited tourist trade and this is definitely not a practice which would result in attrition of clients. I for one have not spent any money. Previous to that incident I used to spend between $3000 to 5000 a year but I can use it better elsewhere.
It makes sense if it ruins the whole experience for you that you should absolutely stop going. If you can get past the shabby surroundings I have never had a problem at CLV down the street. There is a woman named Jennah who does a great job, similar to Diana at ERS. Your answer for them to raise the price would for sure put a huge cramp in their business. Guys were complaining on another forum when a place went up $10. As it stands now the fee at CLV is $10 less. It spells out exactly what these girls are getting per session, and it is more than a CMT receives, and someone that I know who was working as a Marketing Manager for a Device company and has a Master's Degree in Business. Usually when you are happy with what you are getting the tips tend to follow but when you get angry if someone isn't tipping and it changes your attitude, it should effect your service and tips. You need to visit Germany instead of the Netherlands, they said they recently instituted an all you can pop special in some of the brothels.
I went to CLV today. The girl that I picked was named Selena. She was petite and cute with enhanced chest that was passable, not as bad as some and not as good as others. Her massage was not as good as Jennah but it was good enough. While she was doing the massage I grabbed her ass a little and tried to get under the panties she left on but she pulled away. When it came time to do the massage on her she did the same pull away when she was on her stomach. When she flipped I massaged over her panties and she started to moan a little and gyrate her hips, so I decided to see if I could go under the panties and this time she allowed me to roam. She was already extremely wet and when I started to massage her clit she was moving her hips as if enjoying it. Finally her legs began to quiver a bit and she grabbed my hand and said, "now it is your turn". I took that to mean she had her orgasm. She grabbed my package like it was a stick shift in a car and damn near tried to break it off, don't know what that was about, but then she started to get it done right. It was a somewhat enjoyable time, but certainly no where near a session with Jennah.
Every few years a real good one comes along and we get a chance to get our moneys worth, then some dick fu@#s it up. Jamie is no longer at Ex. I know where she is and I know why she is not at Ex. SO, here is my rant. I’ll give it in three parts, 1. How to keep ,the best little secret in Belvedere, the best little secret in Belvedere. 2. How to get the most for you money. An d 3. A word to the girls.
How to keep the best little secret in Belvedere.
I know it is not a secret the cops know the area business know and most people in the area know, but the apparently do not care. My wife doesn’t know, my mom doesn’t know and it appears that the moral right marauders do not know. The afore mentioned would try to shut it down if they did know. Your comments on this forum are being monitored and soon the moralists will have enough info to bring the place down.
So, here is what I suggest.
The place has rules learn them Keep them. If a girl extends a service (an extra) outside of the rules realize that is between you and her she will loose her job for breaking the rules. If you post about these extras you will draw attention from the moralists.
I have attended all the playgrounds and am in constant alert for new ones. This forum is a place to report the location and quality of these places. The reports are only useful if they are honest, detailed and repeatable by readers. When posting illegal activity we need to use sense, if the primary activity is illegal post away (street walkers and in calls offering pfp) but if they have a cover (modeling agency, health club, etc.) do not blow their cover.
Give a report that offers high praise without giving the illicit details.
2. How to get the most for you money. (this is mostly directed to Belvedere but applies to all pfp)
Hygiene: I come straight from work and I am often smelly. The showers are there for the girls not you. What I mean is the girls want you clean. So, (and I say this as a favor to one of the girls who asked me to spread the word) wash your ass, your balls, your Johnson, your pits and the rest of your anatomy. I do not think you can expect good service if you smell like ass. This is the #1 complaint the girls have. For an extra 5 points eat a mint. For an extra 20 points trim your fingernails.
Behavior: These are girls with feelings they are mothers and daughters sisters and wives. They do this for a living, some enjoy their work some wish they had a different job. None of them are blowup dolls. So, treat them with respect, when you first enter the room be kind show an interest in them, respect there boundaries. You can choose not to repeat if you think she has to many rules, but if she says no digits then keep your fingers out.
Be clean be nice be gentle (unless you have made other arrangements) be respectful.
If you are able to get extras and I never have ;) keep that to your self. Give the girl extra high praise call her your atf but do not kiss and tell.
Tipping: I know this will raise all kinds of posting but tipping is a tool we can use to get more bang for our buck. The entry is now $95 so leaving the change $5 is not a tip. I would make the following recommendations.
$0 for service that is rushed and cold or rude. If you do this have the balls to tell her why.
$20 for the average experience this is my normal tip for a good experience.
$30 something special. No rush, good access, pleasant conversation .
$40 a great experience felt like she enjoyed herself an tried to give you great service.
$50 gfe only given one time in 10 years.
Never repeat an average experience do not be afraid to tell the girl what you like and what you are looking for if she says no do not push it ask if any other girls do that (within the rules ;)).
3. A word to the girls.
We are not rich guys with cash to burn. We are hard working men who save up to take a trip to Belvedere we think about the place a lot we dream about it post about it and when we finally get there we want the full treatment so learn your craft or get another job. Here are some tips.
Do not rush
Talk dirty to me (I do not want to care about your cat or kids)
Offer the tub
Do not remind me that I am paying (I feel pathetic about it already)
Make your rules clear from the start
You are an actress playing a part act as if you enjoy it.
I didn’t come for a back rub make this part a prelude to the main event use your hair, lips, tits, ass and all your other assets.
There is a technique called the chin trick. The girl uses her chin and neck to simulate oral. Use it. Learn Russian (tity f*%king), foegreek ( the ass checks rub the Johnson) use your legs.
I love kissing and being kissed. It does not need to be the mouth
bight my ear
breath heavy.
Play with your self a bit
Look me in the eyes and smile dirty
I will repeat with the girl who makes me forget I am getting what I PAID for and makes me believe only for a moment I am her atf. I will remember I am not soon enough.
To close this rant I will say if we keep the secrets billed trust and give appropriate tips we will get what we came for. Guys as with every aspect of this hobby it takes time and repeat visits to get comfortable enough to REALLY enjoy.
Lastly I had a session with Nina she has great tits and the right stuff highly recommend.
Every few years a real good one comes along and we get a chance to get our moneys worth, then some dick fu@#s it up. Jamie is no longer at Ex. I know where she is and I know why she is not at Ex. SO, here is my rant. I’ll give it in three parts, 1. How to keep ,the best little secret in Belvedere, the best little secret in Belvedere. 2. How to get the most for you money. An d 3. A word to the girls.It's ashame about Jamie, I never got anything but standard service but she seemed like a nice girl with a good attitude. I do agree that sometimes there are too many details posted, which may cause management at these places to get a little nervous. It may be better for everyone to keep the details to a minimum. The way I see it, is that my basic contribution to this board is to say if the experience was worth the money and steer clear fellow board members of rip offs and poor service. Stating if the girl had a good attitude, was attractive and if it was worth the money would provide enough info for a hobbyist to stay away or decide to check it out. Using PM with senior members to discuss specifics may be more appropriate than posting details. I know some may argue that LE already knows what is going on, but this is not really about LE this is about management imposing certain rules and having to take action if those rules are not followed, once they are made aware. The end effect is we are down one more friendly provider. So if you get more than what management might think is okay, keep it between you and the provider. Who knows she may thought you were worth of the extra attention and may not wish to offer it as her standard menu.
Matchstick
08-29-09, 13:54
By chance is this the same Nina I used to see post on CL for the Rockford area?
With that said I had an good session with Kyla. Cute girl with great breast! I would recommend.
I don't know what type of rednecks don't wash their ass and balls thoroughly, however, I am quite sure I don't need a lesson in hygiene. If you check some of the past posts about Jamie she was asking what people were going to tip up front, and quite frankly pissing people off and ruining people's experience. I don't think that she is no longer there for providing extras, as it has been noted she was doing the chin trick and passing it off as something extra. It says right in the room what these girls make and if they ask for extra then to report to management. Obviously Jamie pissed off one too many people and they must have said something to management. I have been going to CLV as of Late and have to say the talent there has been much improved and I think that it is because some have come from ERS. Your comment of $5 not being a tip is in your opinion, because in all honesty these girls are not CMT and with a $5 tip they are making $50 per hour. I don't know what you do for a living Cracker but $50 sounds like damn good money to me. I work in the hospitality industry on the weekend and to make what some of these women make in say 3 hours I would have to work a 9 hour shift standing on my feet and serving close to 300 drinks. If the girls showed genuine gratitude for what they get instead of asking for tips up front some would not be so reluctant to tip. Just my opinion for what it's worth. Incidentally I usually tip $20, but just as I have learned in my weekend position any tip I am grateful for.
Comments were actually directed to BJDAty, not Cracker.
some dick fu@#s it up. Jamie is no longer at Ex.But I got the feeling someone tried to get Jamie fired on purpose, not on accident.
[. Your comment of $5 not being a tip is in your opinion, because in all honesty these girls are not CMT and with a $5 tip they are making $50 per hour. I don't know what you do for a living Cracker but $50 sounds like damn good money to me. I work in the hospitality industry on the weekend and to make what some of these women make in say 3 hours I would have to work a 9 hour shift standing on my feet and serving close to 300 drinks.
You don't work in the nude and risk your health. I would think you woulod realize my rant was not aimed at you. You wash your ass and tip $20. Their are chips who expect to be able to molest these girls and not even leave the fiver.
But it was just my opinion and it was worth exactly what you payed for it.
Lilred Riding
08-31-09, 07:18
I have for sometime wanted to post comments to all you fellows but have thought that it would probably be a waste of my time trying to explain where the girl is coming from as a provider.
Let me start with the basics.
Door fee and tipping:
If the provider applied for a job in this line of work and tips where not part of the deal there would not be places such as ers, clv, ex, CL etc., etc.
Then where would you all spend your time? Trolling the streets. Contrary to what you all think we do not rake in all this cash. Due to the economy the normal average of customers per girl is 3 which equals $135 divided by 10 hours =$13.50 an hr. There is no way in the world you would get anyone to work in these places for that. That is where tips make the job a little more tolerable.
We pay taxes! For those of you who do not believe this you need to use common sense. Believe me, uncle sam and the city would not allow the places to stay open for as long as they have if they were not getting their slice of the pie. Since we are self employed, we not only have fed and state we also pay a self employment tax. So in total, it brings that $13.50 down $9.80. Oh by the way, we pay our taxes quarterly.
We are not provided with insurance. We have to purchase our own insurance. For the normal family of 4, it is $250 a month. Now the $9.80 an hr. Is now $8.90 an hr.
If we are sick and cannot work, we do not get paid. $8.90 is now $0.00
If we work and do not get picked. Guess what.$0.00
So now that I have broke down the financial aspect of why tipping is a good thing I will now break down why tipping is a good thing to do to ensure a good session.
For those of you who do not ever tip, have you ever wondered why you pick a girl and may have good sessions with her once or twice but after that your session has become mediocre? Well the reason for that is because she has remebered you are a cheapwad and why should she give you anymore than what you have paid for. Massage and a happy ending.
We are your fantasies, we are women you can finally be honest with about what you find sexy.
We are your counselor. We talk to you about what is going on in your life and if you haven't noticed we always side with you even when most of the time you are in the wrong.
We allow you to fondle, touch, and molest us. Something your wives don't even allow you to do.
We try to become your friend.
We give you good massages.
We try to allow you to forget for an hour your problems and worries that brought you to us in the first place.
We have feelings, hopes, dreams, families, worries, depression, taxes, billes, mortgages, kids college funds, cars, homes, and all the same problems you have. We are human.
We have to hide from society about where we work because of how they judge us.
We cringe when you fellows post to much information on this tread.
We are appreciative of you coming to see us and allowing us to make a living.
We would appreciate if you would appreciate us to.
I enjoy my job and I have made alot of friends because it is such an intimate relationship and over time, I have gotten to know my customers personally and enjoy them as people, human beings. All we ask is that you treat us the same. Let us know you appreciate our service be it with a tip, with words or with respect. Don't talk about us like we are pieces of flesh.
Now that I have shown you fellows the girls perspective and you have seen that we are not raking in all this money, tip the girl if you have a good session. If you don't have a good session, don't tip but let her know why so maybe she can improve on her skills. If you don't have the extra cash to tip, still tell her you enjoyed your session but didn't have the money to tip.
Speaking for myself, I have 3 levels of sessions. One for guys who don't tip. One for guys who tip but do not tip well. One for good tippers. All within the rules. It may take me 2 sessions to remember how you act in the session, how you tip, etc., etc., so the smart thing to do is to leave half the tip you intend on giving on the table and tell her if you are satisfied with her service you will leave the other half at the end. You may find that your session and your friendship with the provider will be better.
Emp Fan 473
08-31-09, 13:56
My guess is Jaime got caught asking for more tips than she should, and/or passing a chin job off as something more. If she did dupe someone into thinking they got a bj, then I wouldn't doubt she was ratted out. Don't know if their mgmt reads the board, but I know a few girls do & they could easily report someone who was rocking the boat.
Like others on here, I know where to go for more than what ERS offers. But sometimes I like to have just what ERS offers, which is a decent deal considering the alternatives. I've liked the majority of girls that I've seen there, and I've also had a few that I wouldn't repeat. As long as the ratio of good experiences outweighs the bad, I'll keep going.
The card isn't a bad deal either.
Relentless
08-31-09, 21:13
I cannot understand where there is a delusion. You can show all kinds of numbers and make it sound real but the problem is that we go for experience and not an accounting class. Money is paid up front so it becomes incidental and not the primary part of transaction. Once that is put of way insisting for tip or demanding tip or providing poor indifferent service when no tip is provided up front is a poor business tactic.
Why dont you ask management to raise fees by 20,30,40, 50 dollars at the door so people will decide if that is what they want to pay. Getting a person on table and then making it business transaction makes a person feel that now he wasted the door fee and is going to have a hostile attendent. As I recall in the waiting room much is written on the wall about customer and his value .It seems people who work there do not bother to read that. Tell me if I went to a restaurant and waitress first of all asked will you tip me 15% or 20% because if you tip me less I will throw food on your table , how long will that waitress last ? not beyond that customer.
Please remember TIP MUST BE EARNED AND NOT DEMANDED. I stopped going to ERS not because of tipping issue about 3 years ago but because of reckless comment. In that time tipping was a choice and not a demand. I never recall so much discussion about tipping in those days. The fact that this keeps going on means people have rather strong feelings about someone demanding tip and not giving it by choice.
Now that I have shown you fellows the girls perspective and you have seen that we are not raking in all this money, I used to go to Belvidere, and when I tipped it was pretty good. But I tipped for service above and beyond the call of duty. Not because the gal expected it. And yes I had a regular that treated me very well, and as a result, I treated her well.
But, wow! Didn't realize you gals had it so rough. Perhaps you should look for a job at a fast food restaurant or retail store. You can easily make $8.00-$10.00 per hour and work a lot more hours. And since all of your income will be reported by the company, you won't need to file those quarterly returns and try to remember just how much income you really make.
I have been going to ERS for going on 10 years and though I don't consider myself a regular, I can honestly say I have never had a bad experience there. YMMV but if you treat the girls like you would like to be treated, they will make sure you have a good time. And those complaining about what you make compared to the girls, I think you would be hard pressed to find one that gets a customer each hour they work.
Whether it is in a MP or a hotel room, treat the ladies right and the small gratuity we give the girls will will service like it was gold.
Are you sure that it is all due to the economy that the girls are only seeing 3 appts a day? I can tell you that I used to go to ERS all the time, but given the recent reports on girls asking for tips I decided to go down the street to CLV, and eventhough the rooms are not as nice as ERS I have found the sessions to be much more enjoyable. Given that the girls only discernable skill is the ending, and they are not all CMT, $13.50 and hour is what? $6 more than minimum wage, and if you are only working 3hours out of 10 you are essentially sitting down for 7 hours and still making $13.50 an hour. Try going down the street to Carpenter's Components or one of the warehouses in the area where at best they make $10 hour and actually work extremely hard for every hour they work. As I said in a lower post I work at a position where I get tips on the weekends and I have to work 10 hours on my feet serving 300 or more guests, do I know which ones tip? Of course I do, do I change the level of my service or spit in their drinks because they don't tip, of course not. I worked 8 hours of an open bar and did not receive a tip from one customer and the service was impeccable. I have found getting your underwear in a bunch over things you can't control does not pay. As for having to pay your own insurance, most workers do. I have always had to pay my own insurance and the only positions I know they are still covering the employees portion of the insurance is in the teaching profession or some government patronage job. As I mentioned the jobs above, one of those places they work outside in the sizzling heat for 8 to 10 hours whereas I also mentioned above you girls are sitting on a couch in an air conditioned room either reading the paper or watching a television. I do believe in treating people well and have always been pleasant to the attendants. One of lilred's comments was that you are confidants and side with us even when you think we are wrong, however, it has been reported on here on more than one occassion where a person has had to endure listening to the attendants baby mama drama's. I can tell you that is exactly the opposite reason of why we are there, usually we just want some peace. You do have options, become a CMT at a busy clinic and make $40/hour. Go to school and get some skills, or work as a person holding the stop and go signs on the Highways, after 10 hours breathing in asphalt and sweating in the sun, a comfty couch doesn't look so bad.
If you actually divide it by the time actually worked you are making about $50 an hour since it rarely goes the full hour. Again as I said above given your lack of training and skill $50 per hour is equivalent to what a Marketing Manager with a Master's degree is making or about $20 per hour more than a Paralegal. In light of that you should have some gratitude.
Lilred Riding
09-01-09, 08:18
Again You are all missing the point. I don't care what any of you say about working in the service industry, if a person is tipping more than they get better service. Plain and simple.
As far as sitting on our asses all day that is so untrue. We are always doing something. Do you think the business gets ran with girls sitting on out asses? To the bartender- YOu are not handling someones spug on a daily basis. You don't have to take that health risk everytime you give a customer a drink so yeah I believe I deserve more for that.
Again back to the point. You treat us well, we treat you well.
Tryed to explain things from our point of view and like always when trying to explain to a man it is like speaking Chinese.
It seems we went thru this a month or so ago. Mongers complaining about lousy service and tip-hungry providers. In the end, nothing was solved. There are always going to be the mongers complaing that the girls make too much money (That's a laugh) and the girls complain that the guys are rude and smelly (Probably true),
Personally, I would not want to be doing the job the girls do. I DON'T believe they make all that much money and they DO put in some long hours with no perks other than the privilege of getting our rocks off. And I also believe that some of the girls are just a tad bit money hungry. A waiter or waitress doesn't ask how much of a tip your going to leave before taking your order. If a girls does ask, then ask her how much time she's going to give you on the flip. And what technique will she use. And if the time and technique are adequate, you;ll leave an appropriate tip.
This "hole" subject is getting boring. I'd rather read and talk about the benefits of douching after each customer. Or maybe douching each customer.
Stinky Bored.
I will be brief because I believe as stinky has put it this topic has been exhausted ad nauseum. But if you really go by mr. stinky maybe you should douche your ass.
Lil Red- I have done a lot worse jobs then getting a little spooey on my hands. Try cleaning a grease trap and some of those smelly asses that you complain about won't be so bad. As for it being a health risk, unless you have an open sore on your hands it is not a real health risk, and a little cum in no worse then getting some snots on your hand. As for your comment about speaking chinese , it seems that we are both on the same page, you are not going to recognize some possible valid points and there are just some things we might have to agree to disagree, but one thing is for certain , If you are at ERS and you have seen a dip in business, trying looking for to a reason other than the economy since there have been two posts on here that said they have left ERS to go somewhere that they don't feel shaken down for tips. I recognize there are some unappealing aspects to your job, but again there are people out there in say daycare that are watching newborns that have to change shitty diapers and an ounce of spooge is not nearly as gross as a smelly diaper. In the words of Forrest Gump, "that's about all I have to say on that subject."
Seems like some people expect you to pull up with a wheelbarrow full of money just to have them look in your general direction. If they feel they are so smart and special, don't work there and get a 9 to 5 job plus another part time job to make ends meet. A reality check might make that spug and couch time more attractive.
A similar industry is realtors. When I bought my house a few years back, they all were driving brand new mercedes and cadilacs and playing a violin for me about how hard their job is and how I need two wheelbarrows to make them happy.
I am a simple guy looking for simple good theraputic HE massage with no other menu. It got difficult for a while to find what I am looking for for a fair price. I know there are tons of WAY overpriced (same as full service) for what I wanted from gals with a very high opinion of themselves. I do not need language lessons (well, maybe Russian once in a while) or a GFE. Sometimes a sexy outfit is better than nude (I know, I'm nuts). I got disgusted and gave up.
To me, why should I be paying 90% of full service price for my simple needs. And before someone gets down on me, remember it is supply and demand and I know I am on the outskirts of the hobby with my "demands" and I made a personal choice to opt out rather than pay above market prices.
I do not want to be on first name basis with the nurse at the clinic if you know what I mean. In fact, I do not even want to know where the clinic is. Call me Mr. Safe. Some call me mr boring or nuts, to each his own.
I have stayed away from ERS for a bit. CLV is a bit dumpy for my tastes. No response is needed to my rant. I am too thick headed. I am not here to debate an opponent. I just want to voice support for hobbyists that think like me.
ERS used to be the best deal in 4 states. That's simply not true anymore.
The workers of ERS can complain all they want about the customers, but ERS started raising their prices just as everyone else was lowering theirs. Now business is down.
Lilred, it sounds like your anger is focused in the wrong direction.
I was visiting the same person at a certain "clinic" for about 3 years. All of a sudden my hour was 45 minutes, then it became about 30 minutes. I was also told that certain extras were going to cost more. The next time I visited the place, I called ahead and asked for someone else. I showed up and my normal person said "let's go" and I informed her that I was there to see another person. The same thing happened the next time I went there. On my 3rd return, while I was leaving, my old friend asked me why I wasn't seeing her any longer and appeared to be somewhat jealous. I told her that all of a sudden I felt like a $ sign when I saw her and her service was lacking enthusiasm as well as the time of the visit being cut short. She said to see her next time and I won't be sorry. She realized that I was a consistent $40.00 in her pocket every week or two and things changed back to the way they used to be. The only thing that you can do on a bad first visit to someone is to not go back to her. When your regular starts getting jaded from the business, talk it out or visit someone else. Never put up with bad service and attitude.
What would you consider a good tip for good service? I understand that you are working there to make a living you need to eat and pay bills. I have no problem tipping for good service. If I enjoyed my time there I will tip $30-$40. If I had an ok time I will leave $20 and If I did not like my time I may not tip at all. Just would like your take on my scale.
Again You are all missing the point. I don't care what any of you say about working in the service industry, if a person is tipping more than they get better service. Plain and simple.
As far as sitting on our asses all day that is so untrue. We are always doing something. Do you think the business gets ran with girls sitting on out asses? To the bartender- YOu are not handling someones spug on a daily basis. You don't have to take that health risk everytime you give a customer a drink so yeah I believe I deserve more for that.
Again back to the point. You treat us well, we treat you well.
Tryed to explain things from our point of view and like always when trying to explain to a man it is like speaking Chinese.I have to chime in here...I'm not an ERS customer, by the way.
Guys - How much would money would it take to get you to act all hot for some knappy overwieght ugly chick while sticking your digits into her vag? I know I wouldn't do it for free. If I'm going to massage and finger or munch the bearded clam on a girl who is decidedly unattractive (and act like I like it), I would want some appreciable coin. I am absolutely certain that alot of the guys Lilred & others have to pump spooge from are not guys they are inclined to do that with for free. I hear you, Lilred...I really do.
However - Girls, if you really don't like what you do, change jobs. Guys, if you don't like what's available for what you want to spend, get a new hobby. The choice here, girls, is unfortunately not with you. The mongers can take thier $ wherever they see fit. I'm sure you're perfectly ok with that. So are we. If we get a better experience elsewhere, we can go. If you don't want to give a fat ugly smelly guy extras for cheap (I know I certainly wouldn't if I were in your shoes), then don't! Just know that you might shoot yourself in the foot occasionally if you shake a guy down who may NOT have had a problem providing a good tip but was antagonised by your (genuine) effort to protect yourself from getting chumped.
I've never been ERS. I am a strong tipper, by all accounts, but I also expect the service to be comensurate with my tip. What kind of joint is it? is CLV better? Maybe I should RTFF.
Maxjames100
09-02-09, 16:19
I don't see how this can even be a debate.
Lilred's point -
1. The door charge doesn't amount to very much when you look at the number of hours worked.
2. You are paying for a massage and a release. The touching and groping aren't included. If you touch and grope you should tip.
Those points are fair and I don't have a problem with them. Now, please do me the courtesy of thinking about my thoughts - trust me no Chinese.
No one is forcing you to do anything. If dealing with smelly men, jizz, and poor tipping is that big of a problem - find a new line of work. Seriously, I wouldn't jerk a guy off for .45... and honestly a .30 tip just wouldn't make it any more tempting.
Honestly - I don't want to hear anything about single Moms and the economy. There are many, many, many people raising kids, paying bills without ever touching a penis for money in this country. There IS help out there if you really feel like you're trapped. In fact.. PM me and I will make it easy for you. I will provide phone numbers to organizations that will:
1. Pay for school/books
2. Give you extra cash for going to school (to cover clothes, supplies)
3. Provide medical coverage
4. Provide dental coverage
5. Provide child care
That is a serious invitation. If you don't know how to access the services I listed above I will help you step by step through PM. I went through it when I was young/dumb/raising kids without a pot to piss in.
Now let's get serious.
You do this job because the .$$ you makes up for any effort you put into it. In other words - it's easy money. If it wasn't, why would a well spoken attractive young woman like yourself be doing it.
So in summary - Yes, we should tip - especially if you do grope and touch the girls. Girls - if it doesn't pay, for goodness sakes go do something that does. As I said - I wouldn't do what you do even if the money WAS good.
Lilred Riding
09-02-09, 17:09
Gentlemen, gentlemen,
I am terribly sorry I offended you all. I guess I did not make my point clear enough.
The point I was trying to make is that we work, pay tax, and are as human as you are.
I was trying to allow you to see where your provider is coming from. We are not money hungry, but this is our job. We do it to support ourselves and our families, just as you all do for yours.
We appreciate you, as we hope you appreciate us in return. Both sides need the other.
The reason why I posted the first time was because I was shocked to see how some were breaking down the money we make and grossly over exaggerating.
I tried to explain why a gentlemen should tip but those points were ignored, making it seem as if we are nothing but money hungry wenches.
All I am saying is- Keep your noses out of our finances. If you get good service- tip accordingly. PLEASE.
Relentless
09-02-09, 21:32
The biggest problem is that people do not like when someone DEMANDS TIP and if it is pointed to a novice that please tip for good service things may be better. People want a good experience and will see 3 girls instead of 4 and apply extra for tips but if you DEMAND person like me will just stop coming becuase I dont want money to be the part of my experience. It becomes very obnoxous if tip is demanded at the beginning of service because if you tip 40 and girls want 50 you wasted door fee,tip and had a bad experience because girl wants more money. Because of upfront tips are asked for business is really "booming". I think all this talk about liking a job is irrevelent. If you dont like it quit the job and go and fry burgers . Nobody forces you to do anything. One should not feel sorry for the girl that she is being degraded and therefore tip her to make it nice for her so she wont mind being degraded. That is ridiculous. Everyone knows who is doing what to whom and it is totally by choice. Keep money talk to minimum if you want a guy to enjoy so he will keep coming back.
Okay, we have exhausted this topic. Little Red, we heard your side and acknowledge some of your concerns, and I hope you have done the same.
On some things we just have to agree to disagree, and for those that find this a problem they have obviously moved on to other places as proven by the number appointments going down. Let's now use this forum for what it is intended.
Thanks
If you get good service- tip accordingly. PLEASE.No arguement here. Seems fair to me.
Making a day of it and thought I'd do my homework first. feel free to PM this senior memeber, I'd appreciate the help. There are a couple of assumptions I've made, let me state them here:
> CLV and ERS are within a few blocks of each other
> both are very similar to each other
> both allow you to massage your 'therapist'
> CLV has a lineup, but usually with older; as old as 60's+(yuk) providers
> ERS, no lineup, but more younger (30s) providers.
> Doorfees? Tips? I'm from Chicago area, and I always pay door, will negotiate 30 seconds w/provider for tip - - - then before I leave, usually leave a little extra if they gave a little extra. I don't ever regret the charges, but rather thank Jah (my lucky stars, whatever) that I so easily was treated like a king for but a little cash. They respond by helping me dress, tying my shoes, making me feel like a viril sexy bull, not the old ugly fat f*cker that I am. Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah,
> Whats the deal with the jucuzzi? Some love it, some hate it. I don't want to sit in a jacuzzi filled with water and men's body fluids. Or am I being overly cautious?
> should I call ahead a request a provider? Who?
> My other choice besides Belividere could be Lingerie shows in Rockford but I know absolutely nothing about that scene. Are the girls 'fresher,' Can I get into one before noon? Will I also have to get a room? PM me with the skinny.
> Another option is to go across border to Wisconsin. Any feedback appreciated.
Thanks all
Sycamore Scott
09-09-09, 23:53
Everybody is ruining this board. Everybody made there point. The guys don't like being asked for tips and the women would like there customers clean. This isn't helping anybody in the long run. Everybody should know by now what the proper tipping amount is. If you don't like a place find another. There are better in Rockford.
Actually CLV has some newer talent as of late and the only ones that are old at CLV are the ones that have been there since they opened, and you don't have to pick them if you don't want. Basically it's newer surroundings at ERS and you will be paying $10 more at the door, which is $95. Normal tip for either location is anywhere from $15- $40. I used to go to ERS only but as of late have been going to CLV and I got to say the experience is better. The Lingerie Shows in Rockford I have been to and have always felt rushed and not the greatest experience. Traveling north to Madison will not get you anything more than what you can get in Belvidere, unless you plan on going on the streets. You should have a good experience at CLV.
Everybody is ruining this board. Everybody made there point. The guys don't like being asked for tips and the women would like there customers clean. This isn't helping anybody in the long run. Everybody should know by now what the proper tipping amount is. If you don't like a place find another. There are better in Rockford.It seems that this topic had been dead for five days - why did you bring it back up if you want it to go away?
Traveling north to Madison will not get you anything more than what you can get in Belvidere, unless you plan on going on the streets.
Madison has a lot more to offer than Rockford or Belvidere, and for less money. And I'm not talking street walkers. In all honesty the Madison street scene is shitty.
Mellow Guy
09-14-09, 00:38
You know, I always check this board before I venture off into Mongerland. Maybe hear about a provider giving great service I haven't tried yet, or maybe someplace to avoid.
Having saved a few pennies I was ready to wander out to Belvidere today. And so I read a post by some newbie complaining about the convo here. His first post, no less. Funny, but Jackson never gave me the sheet of rules that says we have to clear our comments thru someone from Sycamore.
He advises us that if we don't like a place, don't go there. I'd counter with, if you don't like what's on the board... well, y'all get the picture.
So I read further. Look, a provider who doesn't like her job. Just the thing to see when I'm about to spend a days pay pretending for an hour that a girl likes me. Thanks to that posting, her nor none of her co-workers got anything from me today.
However, I am supposed to post reports here. So, I'd like to report that instead of driving west this weekend for some adult fun, my Tahoe has a great new Kenwood stereo system.
I actually posted a comment about Sycamore Scott also, however, I must not have been as diplomatic as you as I think Jackson decided not to let mine get posted. I believe that the person that posted the comments might work at ERS, however, that is only speculation. I have been going to CLV as of late and have to say, if you can get past the 70's decor the place is a much better value given it is $10 less than ERS and the women there give a good massage, whether or not you are tipping $40 or not. Not to say I don't tip, but I have given the remaining cash from a $100 which is $15 and they seem to be genuinely grateful for the tip. (I usually give more but things have been tight lately)
Mellow Guy
09-14-09, 13:48
I actually had to stop myself Bbbuddy, from posting a long response to Lilred's comments. Lotta fuzzy math going on there, but, many of my fellow posters beat me to it. So I let it drop.
I usually partake about once a month. It's a long drive for me, and like you say, times are tight. I have been to CLV, ERS, and the Rockford places (except this Silver Spa... may have to try that) and I'm sure the urge will hit again soon to take the drive. How I wish there was a place here in the Burbs I could go to and get the same level of services at the same money one can find in Belvidere.
That being said, only twice have I ever been asked what I was going to tip before the session started. Sadly, both of those times were at CLV :(
I can tell you that used to be the Chase at CLV and that might of been some spill over from when they got busted a few years back and then they briefly went to some type of arrangement like the places on lake street in Roselle. I remember going in there and they were like topless on price and so on, but I believe some of the talent has migrated south from ERS and they possible might have learned a lesson there for asking for tips up front. I have been to CLV as of late for about the last 5 visits and have not had any discussion of tips and as I said when I gave the remaining money from the C note they were geniunely grateful, which is rare. I have heard some good things about a place in Algonguin that is posted in the Mchenry forum. Looks like it might be a half an hour closer for you, and if you are driving a Tahoe with your new stereo in it gas can get expensive in that guzzzler.
P. S I hear you about the fuzzy math going on in previous posts. My point was no matter how you slice it they are still getting close to $50/hour and in anyone's book that is pretty damn good money, even if you are getting something on your hands it probably washs off much easier than engine grease. Long and short of it is that the money must be good enough to put up with the downside or they would move along to another career.
Stay Safe
Since Lildred did not answer this, I will pose the question again for the ERS presence on this board:
Is asking for a tip in advance now part of ERS policy, and if not, is it considered acceptable by most of the employees and/or the management?
Relentless
09-14-09, 19:42
I was not going to write anymore about tipping but I think people feel it is just complaining and need to get things clarified.
If the atmosphere improves re tipping I would very much like to start visiting ERS again. I have been away for 3 or more years and miss the place but will NOT visit if this thing continues.
I hope both the SPs and management read this board and make necessary changes to reduce the money issue and make it a pleasanter experience there would be lot more traffic. Having few suckers being milked is worse than many satisfied customers who will keep coming in future.
If after all the writing no changes take place then both the SPs and management would like to contiue as is in past. In that case I alongwith probably many others will have to stay out. That is sad because it is loss for both us and the sps and the management. But if that is what it will be then that is what it will be.
Mellow Guy
09-14-09, 22:22
I'll just add one more comment about the tipping issue. Specifically, asking for tips before or in the middle of a session.
Ladies, guys hate this for the same reason that reading a post from a disgruntled provider stopped me from going out. It's because the mind is the biggest erogenous zone we have (despite what you might think...LOL).
I plan my trips, think about them, get myself mentally worked up to go...
When we're there, we're writhing in anticipation about what's going to happen. Anything that snaps us back into reality is a turn-off.
Look at the posts. Ever notice how some authors mention they like it when a provider talks dirty to them? It's stimulating our minds, which makes the experience a whole lot better for us.
Reality usually comes back to me somewhere during the long drive home. Please give us the fantasy we're paying for. And please remember that mental stimulation is just as important as the physical stuff.
Now I hope I can go back to "Had a session with Diana today, and it was GREAT!"
You know, I used to be a waiter in college, and I would get pissed when I'd have customers that would tip brazenley little after receiving great service. And after several visits from these customers, I would start prioritizing them. Customers that tipped fair or better got a little more priority than ones who were cheap. I'm not saying it's right, but it's human nature. To say that you expect to have the girls do something to the absolute BEST of thier ability and means, and get offended when they expect you to do the same financially. Well, I side with the ladies on that one. I know we want to enjoy an expirience without thinking of money. But guys, that's the only reason the girls are there. I, for one, am ok with that. I don't need to fanticize about how the girl REALLY being in love with me or anything. I want a massage and a stress release. Expecting the girl to provide top notch service, and then whining about times being tight when it comes time to tip isn't fair.
That being said, the girls are FOOLISH to ask for a tip before or during the massage. While I think it a little wierd to fantasaize about the girl really wanting to have my gene pool shot on her (she doesn't), it's equally offensive to guys to make us feel like an ATM. That DOES ruin it.
So the girls who jack off guys for tips don't want to be treated like girls who jack off guys for tips. And the guys don't want to feel like ATM's when the whole reason those girls are there is to make money. C'mon people. We're grown adults.
Men, tip the girl a decent tip on the first go-round. If she didn't earn it, never go back to her. You gave her the oppurtunity, and she blew it. Yeah, maybe you tipped $20 more than you should've. But don't act like you never over-spent before. When that girl (and her bosses) notice she is being avoided by customers, action WILL be taken.
Girls, stop having expectactions of your customers. Provide a good massage and good 'service', and if you get little or no tip. Give corresponding service the next time you see him: A half-ass rub and super-machnical release with no chit-chat. That's what a crappy tipper deserves.
And if you guys think you're entitled to anything just for the door fee, we'll we're not in a highly regulated market here. We all know what we're doing. Use your wallet for what it is: a source of power and means to get what you want. If/when you find a girl that provides good service, you can take your chances and leave a sketchy tip and see what happens next time. If you girls are gonna beat us up for money, cool. You'll likely get it once. But you won't get anymore of it.
That is a way of things. Stop giving lazy chicks good tips (that's reserved for the good girls), stop giving cheap guys top notch service (that's reserved for men who have class enough to compensate you for strong effort). The free market reigns supreme.
Stopped by ER today and rolled the dice on the new girl Missy. Medium height blond with nice B cups. Went all out to please during the session which was not rushed. Guess what, DID NOT once mention the "T" word. She is being mentored by Diane so she is learning from one ot the best. Help her out and give her a try, don't be afraid to ask for special requests, she will try to fullfill with in the rules.
don't be afraid to ask for special requests, she will try to fullfill with in the rules.And what exactly are the rules. I've considered going there, but my research has yet toascertain what is allowed there and what isn't. I'm going to to pay a .8 or .9 door fee for a rub and hj.
I can get that closer to home.
the rules cover any oral or beyond. Basically what he is talking about is you being able to touch the massuese up top and down below. Other than that the rules prohibit anything else. You might have read on the forum where a girl was passing off a chin job as a BJ, that is basically where she rubs it with her chin simulating oral. The actual cost at ERS where this girl works is $95 and since you are such a good tipper dip, atleast $20 more for $115, or $40 more if she does something extraordinary for a total of $135 given the extra gas you could have 3 meetings with Kelly for that.
the rules cover any oral or beyond. Basically what he is talking about is you being able to touch the massuese up top and down below. Other than that the rules prohibit anything else. You might have read on the forum where a girl was passing off a chin job as a BJ, that is basically where she rubs it with her chin simulating oral. The actual cost at ERS where this girl works is $95 and since you are such a good tipper dip, atleast $20 more for $115, or $40 more if she does something extraordinary for a total of $135 given the extra gas you could have 3 meetings with Kelly for that.Geez. Now I see what the fuss is about. I don't believe in giving small tips for decent service, NOT AT ALL. That being said, the $95 door fee is enough to keep be away. And for $135, I could have 4 meetings with Kelly ala BBBJCIM.
Maxjames100
10-01-09, 14:48
Geez. Now I see what the fuss is about. I don't believe in giving small tips for decent service, NOT AT ALL. That being said, the $95 door fee is enough to keep be away. And for $135, I could have 4 meetings with Kelly ala BBBJCIM.All I can say to that is who is Kelly and where do I find her?
Seriously?
Funtimesneed
10-02-09, 18:13
Is this a different Kelly. Because the Kelly that use to work there I thought got fired for taking money out of peoples wallets.
There is a Jamie on the schedule at ERS. Is this the same Jamie that previously worked there?
Undie Radar
10-03-09, 00:55
Is this a different Kelly. Because the Kelly that use to work there I thought got fired for taking money out of peoples wallets.I believe the Kelly he refers to is a streetwalker in Chicago.
Check his posts for the action there.
Went to CLV Wednesday and picked sophia. She is a good looking brunette with nice either large C's or D's for the chest. I hope either management there or her reads this forum because the massage was going fine and then we get to the flip and the option is either to stay on my stomach for a little more teasing. Flip, or massage the girl. I choose to massage her. I am doing her and when she flips I start to play around the vajayjay, and she starts in with, "refresh my memory, how good a tipper are you? " I usually tip $40 but tipped $20 because I can't stand this bullshit. So it's her subtle way of telling me that if I tip more then I have access. I ignored her and she started to put her leg up to block access. She got what she deserved and doubt I'll return.
Has anyone seen where the kelly that got fired from ERS has landed, is she still in the business?
Discretewill
10-09-09, 10:58
I hope either management there or her reads this forum because the massage was going fine and then we get to the flip and the option is either to stay on my stomach for a little more teasing. Flip, or massage the girl. I choose to massage her. I am doing her and when she flips I start to play around the vajayjay, and she starts in with, "refresh my memory, how good a tipper are you? " I usually tip $40 but tipped $20 because I can't stand this bullshit. So it's her subtle way of telling me that if I tip more then I have access. I ignored her and she started to put her leg up to block access. She got what she deserved and doubt I'll return.
So you go to a MP and get some extra then COMPLAIN?
I'll say this much, if "management" is reading this you likely cost the woman her job.
You should know from these forums both the Belvidere MPs are pretty much legit and if/when you get anything extra you should just roll with it and keep the intel to yourself.
So she breaks the rules ever so slightly and suggests a bigger tip and you get bent for that?
Seriously, I'm just not getting you mongers sometimes.
Linguist69
10-09-09, 11:40
You know, I used to be a waiter in college, and I would get pissed when I'd have customers that would tip brazenley little after receiving great service. And after several visits from these customers, I would start prioritizing them. Customers that tipped fair or better got a little more priority than ones who were cheap. I'm not saying it's right, but it's human nature.
Personally, I think that is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. That's why I tip extravegantly at resturants for great service. I want that waiter/ress to remember me and hopefully give priority next time.
Great post.
For those of you who have the day off tomorrow, I just called and they have a ton of girls working. Looks like management is preparing for a busy day.
Judy - Old Timer believe. Saw once a while ago.
Samantha - Seen a few times. Stay within the rules, but has a great attitude
Kaila - Never seen, new one?
Jennifer - Never Seen
Niccki - If she is tan and has a pretty face, have seen her. She tried to upsell me and ruined the session
Andra - Have seen a while back. Look like she is back.
Missy - New?
Pam - New?
Does anyone have any info on Missy or Pam?
You might want to get off your high horse, DiscreteWill since I absolutely did not get anything extra, and as for costing her the job I highly doubt that would be the case since I think she has been there for quite sometime since she was the one who actually took the money at the desk when I came in. What happened was well within the rules and I can get bent when it is insinuated that if you are a better tipper then you will get acess to touching other parts. It is just not that important to me to be able to touch all over for a larger tip, when all I am really there for is a good massage, a decent HR and maybe a little help on the HR by letting me touch a tittie. What ruins it for me is the talk of money in the middle of the massage, especially at what should be a time for concentrating on other things. If they are going to mention tips at all which I would'nt have a huge problem with it should be at the beginning with a simple statement like, "I will do all I can to ensure that you have a good time within the rules, and please recognize that tips are not expected, however they are appreciated, and go a long way to ensure a top level service."
Unlike the poster below and the one who echoed his sentiments I have worked in the service industry on weekends as a second job for over 10 years and I absolutely do not prioritize customers by how well they tip. I just believe in doing my best for everyone that I serve and the money will just work it self out in the long run. What happens when you focus solely on the tips like some girls that have responded in the past, you obviously let how a patron has tipped determine your mood and that possibly could effect how you service the next patron who possibly could be a good tipper but because of your sour mood sensed a bad vibe and gave less. In my case the attendant cost herself $20 more by making the session all about the money. Either way, with a $20 tip at CLV they are probably making $35 a session and I looked at the clock it was all of 40 minutes, so she was making $55 for less than an hour of work, which given that none of these girls need to be certified is damn good money.
There is a Jamie on the schedule at ERS. Is this the same Jamie that previously worked there?
Yes, she did return, but now she's gone again. Another gal said that Jamie was back to "her old stuff" (I didn't ask for details or as to what that meant) and was therefore gone again.
Stopped by ER today and rolled the dice on the new girl Missy. Medium height blond with nice B cups. Went all out to please during the session which was not rushed. Guess what, DID NOT once mention the "T" word. She is being mentored by Diane so she is learning from one ot the best. Help her out and give her a try, don't be afraid to ask for special requests, she will try to fullfill with in the rules.
She's no longer a blonde, actually her hair is brown. Certainly does have nice B cups and overall has a body type similar to Diane's. Tends to talk a lot and is, in my opinion, very mechanical. She does seem to try to do a good job and certainly does stay within the ERS rules. For me, not a great experience and won't repeat, but some might like her approach.
Rocket Dork
10-22-09, 19:57
Went to the older establishment last night. Had a session with Darlene.
She was terrific! would recommend.
Went to ERS on my day off.
Walk in and had about 5 ladies. Dont ask me who, because every time i tell myself i will remember, i never do. I do remember Missy sitting behind the desk. She is a blond a little heavy.
From the back, i catch a glimpse of a black girl and ask for her, but told to come back in an hour. So decision time, do i go with Missy, who was the best one from the bunch or wait an hour...decided to wait.
In the meantime, i went to CLV. The girl behind the desk was hot, and the only other one i remember was Jenna? Older, but good looking i think. Either way, decided to wait for the black girl at ERS.
Once back at ERS, the black girl comes out, her name is Pam and she is new.
Do the usual shower and wait for her to come back, which she did rather promptly. Hate when i stand there after the shower waiting for them, i think its a time wasting thing for them.
The session starts and she tells me she is new and used to work in Rockford in Chantilly Lace for a few years, until business became bad and she was making no money. BTW, Pam is about 5'2, thick, great ass and small boobs. But nice and thick in all the right places.
The massage was a 3/10. She clearly doesnt know what she is doing, but i could care less. Allowed hands to roam, but within the rules. The release was good and I asked her to talk dirty, which she gladly did for me.
Overall, i would say 7/10.
Stay safe guys.
Steevo
Service Man
10-26-09, 21:14
Greetings,
I had another good session with Diana last week. She isn't spectacular or an ATF. But she is hard to beat for dependable good service. She has a great "ready to please" attitude. I wish the other girls would catch on, they would make a lot more money and have more fun that way.
SM
Hey Steevo,
You might have messed up not taking Jennah at CLV. She might be older but she is the best one at either ERS or CLV. She is much better than Diana and not inhibited at all. Not sure how the girl at ERS was but didn't sound like she could be better than Jennah.
Turkey John
11-05-09, 03:04
Hey Everyone. I am back, Baby !! LOL Been a long time but after some successful networking on the swinger's web sites, I decided to get back into some Belvidere action. Truth be told, I have been to Belvidere about 4 times this year. So, I guess I am not really so far gone. But not nearly as much as I used to be.
First off, I have read the last five pages of the forum and have been very entertained. Thanks for the nice welcome back! More in a bit...
I was visiting Nancy at CLV every time I had been there this past year with the exception of the last time. She is, in my eyes, hot, hot, hot perfect MILF. However, the last time I saw her, she rushed me because my appointment was scheduled too close to another appointment she was about to have. I usually tip $60 in advance (she does a good job!), so I hope she reads this and realizes she made a mistake. I don't have the heart to look her in the eye and tell her. The last time I went to CLV I selected a new lady from the floor.
My usual routine in Belvidere is to find someone who is good and reliable and take good care of her. Finding "the one" requires first time appointments, so, it's not a perfect system. However, from day one, I never picked from the lineup (with the exception of this last time). I would read the forum, backchannel some of the senior members who were active posters and make an appointment in advance. I was never willing to waste my hard earned dollars on a chance, so that's how I rolled. When I am there, I am all eyes, looking for someone I may like for a future session. Once in the room, the girl sometimes pretends to remember me (which is funny) or sometimes is honest and asks if we've been together before. Making the appointment, telling her I was referred by a friend goes a long way toward warming her up.
If I get everything I want in a session (it's a lot) I will tip $60. When I have a regular girl, she remembers me and we have good times. Then she usually f***s up and I move on. But even the f***ed up session is better than most average first time sessions.
A new girl will see me put $30 on the table in advance (before she asks) and she's told I will tip more at the end if she "rocks my world". This prevents her having to wonder about the tip and me having to wonder if I am getting her best. If I don't like her, I'll put down nothing more at the end, or maybe $5. If she's good, $30.
For those of you who do not like being asked for a tip, it's all in your control. Put down half the tip in advance, tell her she'll get more if you have a good time and see where it goes. If you think you will get everything I get by putting down $5 with the promise of another $5, you are delusional. Most of you guys who complain about lack of access are cheap and don't like being told you are cheap by virtue of the limited access. If you can't afford the fees + a decent tip, get out of the hobby OR be satisfied with the services you get. It's so simple.
For the bartenders in the group, When at weddings, parties, etc., If I give you a $5 or $10 tip on my first order you will see me at the bar when my glass is empty much quicker that the cheap asses. Don't deny it!!! I do it all the time.
If you want a good massage (funny), you are at the wrong place. You are there for a hand job. Don't complicate matters. I have started sessions by saying "let's jump to the good stuff", and had 45 minute hand jobs. It's not magic.
If you hate the money aspect and want the door charge raised, pay the tip when paying the door fee. Voluntarily pay the higher door fee yourself. This eliminates the conversation for you. We can't eliminate tipping. Tipping is what allows us to motivate the SPs. Pay $130 at the door and tell the desk girl you want the change to go to the SP.
I haven't been to place in quite sometime. The reason I stop was because the ladies did not seem very happy to be their and it show with the session. Maybe I need to try it again?
My favorite at ERS was Dee she has been gone for a while now. Lately I have been seeing Diana. Here technique is very good.
Went to ERS last Sunday afternoon, third visit at this place and the tipping argument aside, this place does provide a really nice experience. My choice was this time out was Tina. I kind of thought Nikki might have been a good choice as well but I was happy Tina. I would place Tina somewhere in her mid twenties, pretty face, 5ft 3, blond with a really nice rack, that's what caught my eye. The experience overall was within all the rules of the establishment but still very erotic and fun. Tina has pleasant and accommodating personality, eager to please and she really knows how to capitalize on her two assets. She did not mention tipping at all, but I did leave her a decent tip that she seemed pleased with. I hope she stays around awhile.
Stopped in today and had another session with Diana. As usual session was excellent. She now washes lotion of your back for you in tje shower.
Does anyone know if Nina is still at ERS and if so, what days she works?
...a little prayer today for those that were injured or killed today in the terrible explosion at the NDK America plant in Belvidere.
...a little prayer today for those that were injured or killed today in the terrible explosion at the NDK America plant in Belvidere.
That's pretty scary. I stop at that Oasis all the time and that NDK facility is pretty close. Debri flew as far as 1/4 mile. Too bad that truck driver was killed.
Hello Turkey John. I think you're a nice guy but
.60 up front is crazy in my opinion. You're giving a total of almost 150 bones for an ok massage and a somewhat great cock release? I can get more for less in Rfd. When I go to Blvdr I don't ( and I stand by a lot of men by this post ) want to be paying this much. I'm not trying to start trouble but here's what we should ALL do in Blvdr. :::: Pay the fee, get our massage then tip our girl by performance. They don't suck cock in Blvdr. so if its great we should give .2 and if its a " real great " release .4 is good. . . .6 is unheard of unless they have to get rid a rubber if you know what i mean. DAMN
Hey Everyone. I am back, Baby !! LOL Been a long time but after some successful networking on the swinger's web sites, I decided to get back into some Belvidere action. Truth be told, I have been to Belvidere about 4 times this year. So, I guess I am not really so far gone. But not nearly as much as I used to be.
First off, I have read the last five pages of the forum and have been very entertained. Thanks for the nice welcome back! More in a bit...
I was visiting Nancy at CLV every time I had been there this past year with the exception of the last time. She is, in my eyes, hot, hot, hot perfect MILF. However, the last time I saw her, she rushed me because my appointment was scheduled too close to another appointment she was about to have. I usually tip $60 in advance (she does a good job!), so I hope she reads this and realizes she made a mistake. I don't have the heart to look her in the eye and tell her. The last time I went to CLV I selected a new lady from the floor.
My usual routine in Belvidere is to find someone who is good and reliable and take good care of her. Finding "the one" requires first time appointments, so, it's not a perfect system. However, from day one, I never picked from the lineup (with the exception of this last time). I would read the forum, backchannel some of the senior members who were active posters and make an appointment in advance. I was never willing to waste my hard earned dollars on a chance, so that's how I rolled. When I am there, I am all eyes, looking for someone I may like for a future session. Once in the room, the girl sometimes pretends to remember me (which is funny) or sometimes is honest and asks if we've been together before. Making the appointment, telling her I was referred by a friend goes a long way toward warming her up.
If I get everything I want in a session (it's a lot) I will tip $60. When I have a regular girl, she remembers me and we have good times. Then she usually f***s up and I move on. But even the f***ed up session is better than most average first time sessions.
A new girl will see me put $30 on the table in advance (before she asks) and she's told I will tip more at the end if she "rocks my world". This prevents her having to wonder about the tip and me having to wonder if I am getting her best. If I don't like her, I'll put down nothing more at the end, or maybe $5. If she's good, $30.
For those of you who do not like being asked for a tip, it's all in your control. Put down half the tip in advance, tell her she'll get more if you have a good time and see where it goes. If you think you will get everything I get by putting down $5 with the promise of another $5, you are delusional. Most of you guys who complain about lack of access are cheap and don't like being told you are cheap by virtue of the limited access. If you can't afford the fees + a decent tip, get out of the hobby OR be satisfied with the services you get. It's so simple.
For the bartenders in the group, When at weddings, parties, etc., If I give you a $5 or $10 tip on my first order you will see me at the bar when my glass is empty much quicker that the cheap asses. Don't deny it!!! I do it all the time.
If you want a good massage (funny), you are at the wrong place. You are there for a hand job. Don't complicate matters. I have started sessions by saying "let's jump to the good stuff", and had 45 minute hand jobs. It's not magic.
If you hate the money aspect and want the door charge raised, pay the tip when paying the door fee. Voluntarily pay the higher door fee yourself. This eliminates the conversation for you. We can't eliminate tipping. Tipping is what allows us to motivate the SPs. Pay $130 at the door and tell the desk girl you want the change to go to the SP.
Discretewill
12-30-09, 12:55
Happy holidays Boone County Mongers!
Rough times are here, the cold is bitter and the snow isn't going away.
And the board grows quiet.
I have had to change my id as I lost password. I'm a long time lurker and infrequent poster. I finally ventured out to ERS based on reports that I have read her. Thank you gentleman. Both my visits with with Jessica. I first went in on a Sunday night when it seemed pretty slow. Jessica was by far the prettiest. She knows how to dress. Compared to what I have experienced in Chicago it was well worth the money. The hot-tub was fun. Went back for the massage and the tip word was never mentioned. I see from prior posts that this has been a complaint about her. She was fun to talk to, and really seemed to want to take care of any special requests that I had all within the rules. Turning the tables and becoming the masseuse has always been a fantasy of mine and Jessica was very accommodating, all within the rules. It was so good I decided to repeat. Skipped the tub this time and she was sensual from word go. But this time the tip word came up right away and there was some haggling that spoiled the mood. There was hardly any massaging this time which I do like before the main event. Nevertheless, she was very accommodating and I will probably repeat, though there was a pretty blonde there with a nice chest I would like to know better. One thing I was curious about was whether all the rooms were the same there. They could use some more mirrors. Also, it does not seem like there are any locks on the doors, maybe I'm wrong about this but I did not see one. Seniors PM me for details about my session.
Amp Middleman
01-05-10, 13:50
i have seen her the first time about 3 weeks ago and again 1 week ago.
To make it short I will agree with you she is cute and has a very nice skin complexion and nice top to go along with it. But both time she has spoiled the mood when she has to start bickering for an xtra tip. I thought that place says no additional tipping required due to the fact that this is a rub an tug place but with alittle more activities thrown in also. I will be going again soon also. But every time I have left I have thought both times I wish I would have chosen the black girl whose name is Pam. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) I'm not into black women but she does have a nice body.
Mabey if she asks for tip again, just tell the lady behind the desk about your experince. They seem pretty firm on that subject. I may do the same if it happens again for sure.
I have had to change my id as I lost password. I'm a long time lurker and infrequent poster. I finally ventured out to ERS based on reports that I have read her. Thank you gentleman. Both my visits with with Jessica. I first went in on a Sunday night when it seemed pretty slow. Jessica was by far the prettiest. She knows how to dress. Compared to what I have experienced in Chicago it was well worth the money. The hot-tub was fun. Went back for the massage and the tip word was never mentioned. I see from prior posts that this has been a complaint about her. She was fun to talk to, and really seemed to want to take care of any special requests that I had all within the rules. Turning the tables and becoming the masseuse has always been a fantasy of mine and Jessica was very accommodating, all within the rules. It was so good I decided to repeat. Skipped the tub this time and she was sensual from word go. But this time the tip word came up right away and there was some haggling that spoiled the mood. There was hardly any massaging this time which I do like before the main event. Nevertheless, she was very accommodating and I will probably repeat, though there was a pretty blonde there with a nice chest I would like to know better. One thing I was curious about was whether all the rooms were the same there. They could use some more mirrors. Also, it does not seem like there are any locks on the doors, maybe I'm wrong about this but I did not see one. Seniors PM me for details about my session.
You're correct that tips are not required at The Executive, though they are certainly appreciated by most of the ladies. I'd think twice about reporting one of them for mentioning a tip though. These are hard times for a lot of people, and it would be a shame for one of them ( especially any of their better performers ) to loose their job over something as trivial as that. I'm just sayin'...
This whole tip business has been discussed here ad nauseum. If you feel like tipping....tip. If not, don't. End of story.
Play safe,
Mac Man
Amp Middleman
01-06-10, 13:36
Touchy aren't we. And you say it's trivial??
You're correct that tips are not required at The Executive, though they are certainly appreciated by most of the ladies. I'd think twice about reporting one of them for mentioning a tip though. These are hard times for a lot of people, and it would be a shame for one of them ( especially any of their better performers ) to loose their job over something as trivial as that. I'm just sayin'...
This whole tip business has been discussed here ad nauseum. If you feel like tipping....tip. If not, don't. End of story.
Play safe,
Mac Man
My experience with Jessica is much different then what some of you have posted. Jessica did not mention tips until I did at the end. We did have a nice discussion of tips and peoples behavior. Jessica is well aware of this site and of the discussions about her and tips. Her response to me was that the only times she starts talking tips with a guy during a session is when the guy being rough manhandling her, constantly pushing the limits is what she will allow in touching (read trying to insert fingers, pinching real hard etc) or when or when the guy wants to be less then a gentleman in language (read calling her names like ****, *****, **** etc)
With me I have been treated well. We have remained withing the rules but I have had every bit as much fun as any other lady I have been with there. I could say more, but she specifically asked me not to mention the details of our encounters.
Amp Middleman
01-06-10, 13:52
My experience with Jessica is much different then what some of you have posted. Jessica did not mention tips until I did at the end. We did have a nice discussion of tips and peoples behavior. Jessica is well aware of this site and of the discussions about her and tips. Her response to me was that the only times she starts talking tips with a guy during a session is when the guy being rough manhandling her, constantly pushing the limits is what she will allow in touching (read trying to insert fingers, pinching real hard etc) or when or when the guy wants to be less then a gentleman in language (read calling her names like ****, *****, **** etc)
With me I have been treated well. We have remained withing the rules but I have had every bit as much fun as any other lady I have been with there. I could say more, but she specifically asked me not to mention the details of our encounters.
And let me guess you probably think she loves you and respects you more by not going into detail?? Were there for one reason jus like you to get off and keep going on about or day..
So should we change the subject to the other competitor (Clv) down the street? I actually like this place better and there is no haggel for tip due to the fact that i take care of that first by telling them what i want before session starts. Also I don't have to go into the nasty hot tub either. Any ways, my 3 cents worth of info, an mabey my next tip for a special lady at
Ers if I choose to come again there. I step down off my box now
And let me guess you probably think she loves you and respects you more by not going into detail?? Were there for one reason jus like you to get off and keep going on about or day..
So should we change the subject to the other competitor (Clv) down the street? I actually like this place better and there is no haggel for tip due to the fact that i take care of that first by telling them what i want before session starts. Also I don't have to go into the nasty hot tub either. Any ways, my 3 cents worth of info, an mabey my next tip for a special lady at
Ers if I choose to come again there. I step down off my box nowyeah right...
and you are exactly the type these ladies complain about.
My decision not to go into details is because I respect her and her desire for privacy. I always treat a lady like a lady even if she is a working lady. you may think it's ok to abuse women because you are paying for it, but you should look up the word Karma.
Dude what color is the sky in your world. These girls stroke cock for a living and you should treat them with the respect? I'm not saying abuse them but as for their environment they know where they are, and they are not nuns. As for the tipping I will say this for another time to you dim of with. At CLV I have never had anyone haggling for extra tips. As for having them getting dismissed from their jobs if someone says something about them extorting them for tips, well the dumbasses know the results of whining for a tip and they do it anyways. As for the guy who says that I would recognize him more if he tips me good a first, no not really, when I have 300 people at my bar I give good service and hope that all equals out in the long run. As for the chicks at ERS I would suggest the same type of approach, do your freakin job to the best of your ability and if you don't like it there is always a warehouse or restaurant job, otherwise shut the hell up since nobody is holding a gun to your head.
Dude what color is the sky in your world. These girls stroke cock for a living and you should treat them with the respect? ... to you dim of with.
First of all thank you for referring to me as "dim of wit". Now reading that you work in a bar makes me rethink my choice in schooling and career choices. obviously the choices you made are far better then mine.
but more importantly, and pointedly is your opening remark. Yes these girls, as should all human beings, be treated with respect. But then I assume that based on your argument I should be able to walk into your bar and toss drinks in your face. after all I am paying you, and if you take it like a good little boy I might tip you. oh wait, your argument was I tip you first then I toss the drink in your face and that makes it OK. So please post the name of your bar so I can come in, call you names, remind you that you have to take it because your nothing compared to me, then leave you with a lousy tip.
For the record I merely stated that in conversation with Jessica about tips, and knowing about her reputation I inquired about the statements made that she demanded tips during the session. Her response was candid, if someone was going to mistreat her physically, beyond what she thought was covered under the norm she wanted to be compensated.
And finally the last time I was at your beloved CLV I was hounded for tip after tip. tip to get naked, tip to get a HJ, tip to touch her. At ERS I have never been asked to tip, not even after a session.
Relentless
01-10-10, 22:31
Steadily the discussion has been slipping into interpersonal bashing and the purpose of this board which is sharing info re sex and making informed decision is becoming sidelined.
Please stay away from personalities and bashing other board members and contribute to information as to the looks,talents,personalities,service and unfortunately tipping expectattions. If someone wants to write a nasty note send it through private mailing. We are not really interested in your bashing.
Emp Fan 473
01-12-10, 16:23
Had another great session with her last week, and she has become one of my ATF's.
Diane is slim, decent breasts (got some sag, but nice), and a trimmed bush. IMHO, I prefer girls with a trimmed bush - don't care for the amazon bush, and not a huge fan of the stubbled bald beaver that I see more often than not.
I love Diane's attention to the boys between the legs while you're face down, she does more of this tease than the other girls do, and has a great persona through out the session. Just the right amount of small talk - nothing crazy or too personal
I know that girls over the years have read the forum, and I would suggest talking to Diane. I used to say the same thing ages ago on the old forum, but back then I used to say talk to Sheila (long timers will remember her & her Bears robe!!) Sheila had a great personality & technique, and those that took advice from her (Dora comes to mind) found it rewarding.
Amp Middleman
01-12-10, 20:53
Mabey we could open a new thread under here then that could be complaint department. The only way the girls will provide better service would be if we complain about it enough. Similar sitiuation like this on the indiana board. Only problem is that not very people read the boards about the places that the frequent.
Steadily the discussion has been slipping into interpersonal bashing and the purpose of this board which is sharing info re sex and making informed decision is becoming sidelined.
Please stay away from personalities and bashing other board members and contribute to information as to the looks,talents,personalities,service and unfortunately tipping expectattions. If someone wants to write a nasty note send it through private mailing. We are not really interested in your bashing.
I have not been to ERS for a while. What is the current line up like? I see that Diana is still around. How about the other top providers like Nina, Jamie, Desore. Are they still around? Any new talents?
Had a session with Sabrina. Very stand offish in the hot tub. Stayed in the corner. Massage so so with a so so finish. Not a fan of bolt ons, especially bad ones. Will not be seeing again. What is up with the black tuft going through her "unusual tattoo".
Fartsmcgee
01-21-10, 16:51
Had a session with Sabrina. Very stand offish in the hot tub. Stayed in the corner. Massage so so with a so so finish. Not a fan of bolt ons, especially bad ones. Will not be seeing again. What is up with the black tuft going through her "unusual tattoo".
Probably congenital - spina bifida
Merissa223
01-22-10, 09:57
Mabey we could open a new thread under here then that could be complaint department. The only way the girls will provide better service would be if we complain about it enough. Similar sitiuation like this on the indiana board. Only problem is that not very people read the boards about the places that the frequent.And i think they should make a thread to where both the girls and the guys can complain about someone theve seen exspecially in the escort classified adds. us girls have problems sometimes just like the men do. whether its getting ripped off or whatever.
Cumsprayer
01-23-10, 11:11
Long time reader first time poster. I guess I was too lazy to sign up. Here it goes. My first review is of Sophia at Cest La Vie. I seen her many times. She provides a good service and nice extras. She has an attitude and can be bitchy at times. If you can get past that then things will get better as time goes on.
Rocket Dork
01-23-10, 20:47
I always have had a great time with Sophia. She does a great work with her fantastic tits. I have never seen her bitchy!
Great Lady.
Rocket Dork
Used to see Sophia frequently, might start again if there were extra's.
Would you private message me about that?
Thanks,
CS.
I also have seen sophia at C' est la vie and she does have some super nice hooters, however, everytime it gets to the end she mentions something like, "remind me again how good a tipper you are? " I know this has been discussed ad naseum, but that is a huge dealbreaker for me. Go to say Jennah is always pleasant and gives an extremely good time. If shes not there I just leave now.
This gal best take it easy or ... look on the Rockford board
Merissa223
01-27-10, 04:00
This gal best take it easy or. Look on the Rockford boardI am not foxy and if you want to see my ad its under want to play on BP. I do not know how you got foxy. And somone put a link to the general reports forum under rockford of my ad. I do not know you but I see you are a long member. I am confused on how you mistaken my profile for hers.
Discretewill
01-27-10, 12:22
This gal best take it easy or ... look on the Rockford board
Merissa is NOT Foxy.
You people need to re-read the forums. ONE poster listed both ladies in the same conversation but DID NOT intend to say they were the same lady.
I know she is long gone, and also know there are bad reviews, but I came all the way from Iowa. Anyone similiar lately? I read about the regulars that have been around as long as I can remember.
I know she is long gone, and I know there are bad reports, but I came all the way from iowa to visit Ashley. Any idea where she has gone, or are there any new similiar workers?
I had a good session with Missy on a recent afternoon. As others have reported she is a bit heavy but not fat. I thought she put in a good effort in terms of customer satisfaction.
On my way out I saw a blond named Jody that I found attractive. I would appreciate any information on her.
Lobo Karlov
01-31-10, 14:56
Checked out Clv A few days ago, I got Janette (I think that was her name) good massage and good he. Overall experience was just ok for me. One thing I didn't like were the Belvidere cops, There seem to be too many for such a small town, I was pulled over by one and let go and then I was being followed by another for a long time until I got back on highway, that is very nerve wrecking.
My session with Samantha. IMO she has a hot body and is very nice to converse with. The massage was OK. I still think Dianna give the best massage. I enjoyed my session with her but if Dianna is available I will go with her, even though Samantha is better looking.
Thetwoofus
02-02-10, 16:59
I have been to ERS where is CLV looking to make a trip there shortly?
I have been to ERS where is CLV looking to make a trip there shortly?Just up the road, south across the river, across the RR tracks and on the corner next to the Curves gym
I have not been to CLV for at least 7- 8 years. Based on some posts here I decided to give it another try. In the last few months I have seen Jenna, Mandy and Nancy. All three of them have been very enjoyable, in different ways, and all provided good value. No one asked for tips and were friendly and fun. If your a boob guy Mandy may not be your cup of tea.
The Executive has grown a little stale and CLV has stepped up.
Teabagplain
02-12-10, 22:18
If you would indulge an out-of-towner...
I have been to ERS and CLV in Belvidere, but have never been to any places in Rockford. I know of CL, but haven't been there and don't know if there are other places. I am from out of town. Belvidere is slightly farther than Rockford for me. If I am willing to come out this way, does anyone here think it worthwhile for me to check out CL in Rockford (or other places there)? Basically, which do you think are better--places in Belvidere or Rockford? I am posting the same question on the Rockford board.
Rocket Dork
02-13-10, 09:30
There are more options for you in Rockford for about the same price in Belvedere.
Rockford is only about 15 minutes past Belvedere. Cl is a great place.
Rocket Dork
It's been a decade since I was there, so remind me of how things go. Do you pay the .85 at the desk or to the girl in the room, as with ERS? When she leaves, you take a shower in the room, I recall. After her return, do you have to do that goofy little ritual as with ERS where you help them out of their bikini? I've read good things here about Jennah (who's said to be similar to Diana in service), but can someone provide a basic description. (Diana's service is fine, but I prefer a more slender provider.) Sophia sounds fine, but if she's a tip demander upfront, that's a deal breaker. Any help will be appreciated and I'll report later if I make a return trip to CLV after all these years. PM with details if you prefer. Thanks.
the option at CLV would be Jennah, as reported if you are not known the one girl mentioned will ask about tips up front. Jennah is an italian woman so she is not a twig but she is not as big as dianna and she has a very nice form and a very good massage. As for the clothing and taking it off I am not sure if the first time Jennah requires you to take it off or if she does, as I have been there a couple of times she just takes it off.
I have not been to CLV for at least 7- 8 years. Based on some posts here I decided to give it another try. In the last few months I have seen Jenna, Mandy and Nancy. All three of them have been very enjoyable, in different ways, and all provided good value. No one asked for tips and were friendly and fun. If your a boob guy Mandy may not be your cup of tea.
The Executive has grown a little stale and CLV has stepped up.
I took Tornaci's advice and had a session with Nancy today. She is very nice looking -- even at 36 y/o --and has a great personality. Some of these gals you wouldn't want to know outside of the business, others you'd like as sex partners, and some you'd love to have as a girl friend. Nancy falls in that last category (well, actually, the last two categories). In short, it was a very nice session, and all "within the rules."
If anyone is interested I ran into Kelly who used to work for ERS and she is available in the Chicago area. Had just legitimate sessions with her at ERS so anyone who had those extras thought you might want to know where she is at.
Teabagplain
03-02-10, 12:50
Visited Rockford and their lingerie boutiques recently. Went over to CLV in Belvidere for comparison's sake. Had Diana. Don't know if there is more than one Diana there. This one had long, curly black hair and a spectacular chest (C/D cups). Massage wasn't very good with notable exception of feet. Finish was run of the mill. 85 at the door, gave 40 tip. Good experience, but unless the massage is really good too, have a hard time justifying choosing this place over one of the lingerie boutiques in Rockford.
Had Diana. Don't know if there is more than one Diana there. This one had long, curly black hair and a spectacular chest (C/D cups). Massage wasn't very good with notable exception of feet.doesn't sound like the Diana I know. She's milfish with relatively short lt brown hair and has a tattoo on her back that says bump. gives a fantastic jacuzzi experience and almost always includes a little Russian during the finish.
Two different Dianas. The one you described is at ERS. She gives an awesome session. The other Diana is at CLV. She is ok but not nearly as nice a session as the Diana at ERS. Diana at CLV is about 30 years old.
doesn't sound like the Diana I know. She's milfish with relatively short lt brown hair and has a tattoo on her back that says bump. gives a fantastic jacuzzi experience and almost always includes a little Russian during the finish.
Per reviews on the boards here i saw Diana this week at ERS, mid 30's red hair and "BUMP" tramp stamp. She has a really nice body and an even better attitude, was a pleasure to be with the whole session. She stayed within the rules but just takes it to another level, super nice girl loved the whole session and will definetly repeat. Have been to ERS twice before and hadn't been there in over a year, she made me want to be a regular. total $.25
Rainman200
03-15-10, 18:24
Have never been to ERS or CLV and am trying to figure out what to expect.
Found the address for ERS, but would still need someone to provide the address for CLV. I know both are in Belvidere and are somewhat near each other.
I am looking for something similar to a good strip club VIP experience. I know from reading this forum the FS or BJ is not an option. I am looking to have the same fun I have had at some strip club VIP rooms, but I don't like all the smoke, waiting or high drink prices anymore.
I am looking to be able to have free-roaming hands, a good massage, some spanking would be good and also hopefully some dry-humping in an option.
Overall, just good fun foreplay activity. Any tips or recommendations on ladies or experiences to exptect?
Do any of the remaining staff at either CLV or ERS perform the legendary chin trick?
Lobo Karlov
03-15-10, 20:32
Went to CLV this Saturday at 11:30 pm, they were closed. I guess they don't stay open until 1:30 am anymore
Lk
Rocket Dork
03-15-10, 22:06
Havent had the chin trick in over 3 years since Michelle left. She was great at it! Rocket Dork
Funtimesneed
03-23-10, 17:23
I am pretty sure michelle was the only one who did the chin trick.
It is to bad that she and kara are gone.
Does any one know where she is?
Funtimesneed
03-24-10, 16:57
From what I remember she is out of the business, unless someone know different.
Rocket Dork
03-25-10, 09:02
I also heard she retired. Rocket Dork
I also heard she retired. Rocket DorkToo bad would love to get a hold of these juggs again.
I heard kara is working at Golden Touch in Rockford. If anyone is interested.
Rocket Dork
03-28-10, 18:57
She is a sweet girl and khows how to take care of you. Thanks for the info. Rocket Dork
Based on reports provided here, I had a session with Jennah earlier this week. Nice personality and her 20+ yrs. in the business is reflected by her HE techniques, all of which were within the rules. A friend of Nancy's, and both provide good sessions, although somewhat different one from the other. Standard .85 at the door and .2 tip.
Thetwoofus
04-08-10, 21:53
Had the opportunity to stop by ERS last week or so and saw ashley. Body a 9 conversation a 7 and massage a 7. All in all a good visit and will probably see her again givin the opportunity. Noticed she had some bad reports but didn't experiance the same thing. Might help if she smiled when she comes out in the lineup though but she was once we got to the room. Dark one piece bathing suit she asked for assistance and got it. Think she was hungry cause she did seem to mention food in the conversation alot LOL. Standard finish.
Recently had a session with Mandy, who seems to be one of the three (along with Nancy and Jennah) best reviewed providers at CLV. She's slender and reasonably attractive, and her session was quite nice with some close to GFE treatment.
All three ladies are good choices, although each one is quite different one from the other. Standard .85 door fee and .2 tip for the usual within-the-rules treatment.
I see Diana at ERS is on another site, but I can't seem to find any other girls from ERS or CLV. Does anyone know if any of them have reviews there?
I see Diana at ERS is on another site, but I can't seem to find any other girls from ERS or CLV. Does anyone know if any of them have reviews there?If you mean TER as in the Erotic Review then I don't see her there, how is she listed?
I am going back at least four years but does anyone know what happened to Amy?
She was priceless
Stopped in for a visit with Jennah. Seemed like they only two women working at the time. Had a wonderful time. I knew from prior posts that Jennah was a bit older than Mts I usually see, but let me tell you, this lady says she is a dancer and she has the body of a teenager. She really takes care of herself and it shows. I love a good pair of legs and she has the best pair I have come across yet. Her skin is soft like silk. All fun was within the rules but she knows how to make the best of those rules. Had me on edge quite a bit-didn't know what she was going to do next. Very sensual tantra like. Very pleasant person to talk to. I highly recommend.
Staff at ERS may be hard workers, but seem uniformly over 40, over weight, and frankly worn out or burned out. I think half of them could beat me up, and I am a big guy. I love the tats.
Somehow, Ramona was able to maintain a lot fresher staff with some star knock outs.
Having said that, a lot of the customers look a lot less appealing then they use to, so perhaps its just Trollets servicing Trolls? CLV didn't look much better.
IMHO, formerly the best place in the world La Folie in Berlin, the girls had to agree to the customers. Consequently, out of the 30-40 girls 2 or 3 would service the male trolls. Out of the 30-40 girls most were in the strong 6-10 category including lots of part timers.
ERS use to have some gems that only worked one or two days a week or less. A couple mentioned that their husband was out of town for a day or two and they were making some extra bucks.
Any one has Kayla's info?
She use to work at ERS.
I tried out both ERS and CLV a couple of times over the last few months. I had Tina at ERS. She's a very curvy blonde, and was great to talk to and play with.
I had Lisa at CLV. She's cute, but seemed detached. I had another girl before at CLV who was much better. I don't remember her name, but she had very colorful flame tatoos. That's not normally my thing, but she was still hot and great with teasing. I wish Belvidere wasn't so far away from Chicago!
Made the run up from Chicago to ERS and saw Tina. Little more curvy down low than I'm used to, but boy up top was just perfect. Felt as if I was nursing, sucked so long.
Only complaint is that I caught her towards the end of her shift and I guess her arms had gotten their workout for the day cause she had to switch hands too many times for liking. Little distracting, but not so much that I wasn't able to finish. .9 fee and .2 tip, still a much better value than the BP and CL girls!
Made the run up from Chicago to ERS and saw Tina. Little more curvy down low than I'm used to, but boy up top was just perfect. Felt as if I was nursing, sucked so long.
Only complaint is that I caught her towards the end of her shift and I guess her arms had gotten their workout for the day cause she had to switch hands too many times for liking. Little distracting, but not so much that I wasn't able to finish. .9 fee and .2 tip, still a much better value than the BP and CL girls!
Go to Rockford man
Pleased to announce that the staff at ERS was upgraded with several part timers who have both good attitudes and good looks. The owner, should ask the part timers if they have friends with good attitudes, and good looks that want to work a couple of days a week. There is nothing wrong with having 20 part timers that work 2 to 10 days a month or when hubby is on the road. I'm sure there are some smoking hot girls that would work one day on a weekend so they could keep their regular job.
When I was in Australia a few years ago, I had a scorching hot mid 20s girl who's husband was on the road for a week. She told me sometimes she only worked mornings once a week 10-3 pm and when she was alone sometimes worked 8-10 hours a day. Judging by her looks, I would say she worked non stop.
What the new girls don't have is bodies covered with tattoos. When a girl has more tattoos than a Marine, you have to wonder.
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I was at the upscale mall in Rockford the other day and did see some very good looking young white trash covered in tattoos. My guess is that if hired they wouldn't be able to show up for work or would arrive with their parasite boyfriend sitting out in the car all day. What a shame, some real lookers unfortunately headed for the garbage heap. What a waste.
State Street Station was dead the other night, the girls say business is way off. I don't know how they are staying open with few customers. Way too many tattoos on some of the girls.
I think the place is called the Bigfoot Lounge or something like that on Alpine (sp) Drive. Sort of a more standard stage and bar format with dancers. The interior did look a little tired and worn out, I'm not sure I would drink out of one of their glasses again. Parking lot could be better lit in rear.
The quality of the dancers and the layout were better than State Street. One of the dancers was a 8-10 in looks and attitude, unfortunately I noticed her giving cigarette money to some parasite guy sitting at the bar. I hate pimp types. The bar owner should really not allow the pimp types to sit in the bar or the parking lot, what a turn off.
I would go to Bigfoot one more time but would like a lit parking lot, a chair that isn't broken, a clean glass, better interior lighting you can barely see, new carpeting or no carpeting and a clean glass. And yeah, no parasite pimp boyfriends sitting in the bar stools sucking money out of these girls.
Did I say that I wanted a clean glass?
I was passing through Belvidere recently and realized it had been several months since I visited ERS. On the spur of the moment I decided to stop by and see what was going on. There were only three girls in the line up, which is the lowest number I have ever had to choose from. I decided on Nikki and went with her to the room. For those not familiar with her she is tall with dark skin, a pretty face, and a curvy build. She is a little thicker in the middle than I like but she carries it well. When I picked her she didn't seem all that thrilled to have been chosen. As I talked to her more I got the feeling that her lack of enthusiasm was more than likely due to a laid back/ low key personality than the jaded "lets get this over with" type attitude I initially feared. If you are like me and prefer a girl with a perky, outgoing personality, Nikki is probably not the girl for you. Don't get me wrong she gave a good massage, hit all the right spots and got the job done. She was also as accomodating as I could ask for within the rules, but she just didn't really seem into it. She never mentioned the tip except to say thank you for what I left her. Bottom line, she is okay, but I wouldn't go out of my way to see her if others were available.
Stud Muffin314
06-27-10, 22:18
I decided to visit ERS for the first time after considering all of the forum reports and after receiving some answers from a couple of other forum members. I am writing a detailed report for those who are considering ERS for their next adventure.
ERS is an easy to find location, as long as State street is not blocked for a parade (grrrrr). Diagonal street parking (no meters) was available right out front.
I arrived Sunday at about 12:30 but there was nobody available until 1 PM. I waited in a comfortable waiting area similar to a doctors office (except my doctor doesn't have Maxim magazines in his waiting room). Another monger was there, apparently waiting for the girl at the desk to get replaced so he could have a session with her.
Just before 1, Jennifer had finished with her client and had to take over desk duty until somebody else was free. Two other girls, Sophia and somebody else finished after Jennifer, but one look at Jennifer and I knew she was the one for me - smoking-hot body, great smile, very good attitude. She was wearing this tight short one-piece dress - damn she looked HOT.
She led me into the room and explained how this all worked, since it was my first time. $95 for the hour, and she said I could tip if I wanted but it wasn't necessary. A sign on the wall said that the girl gets $45 of the entry fee. I paid the $95 (cash only accepted), and then Jennifer started the shower for me and then left me for a few minutes. The shower is in the adjacent room with a connecting door - very nice, private, and I felt that my belongings were all secure. After a shower, I was naked except for the towel, while I waited for Jennifer, who arrived moments later.
Per the rules, I had to untie her bathrobe (a task I eagerly performed). Underneath her robe was this tiny little bikini. Also per the rules, I was forced to untie the little bikini top and take off the bottoms. There she was standing there, totally naked, nice tits, flat tummy with a cute belly-button piercing, and nicely trimmed. One small tattoo, no visible extra piercing hardware.
I asked about the rules - full touching is allowed. She had me lie down on my stomach and proceeded the massage. She began by running her fingernails lightly over my back and down my legs, steadily increasing the pressure. I was tingling all over! Then she started with the oil. This was my first massage in my life and I had not expected the oil to be pre-heated. Very nice, and very relaxing. She started at my shoulders, gently massaging, while slowly moving down my back. She used a lot of oil, and it was not too fragrant (I do not like heavily-scented oils). Eventually, she moved slowly down past my butt and did my legs with just a slight, almost unintentional teasing of the boys. I also could occasionally feel her tits on my back as she lightly brushed them against me. It seemed like it took her an hour on my back but only about 1/2 hour had passed at that point.
She then asked if I wanted to massage her - duh! First on her stomach, I rubbed her shoulders and back. Jennifer is in great shape and it was a pleasure to be able to give her a massage! She seemed to enjoy it, but eventually I asked if she would roll over on her back. I then thoroughly massaged her front, starting at the shoulders, her ribs, etc. Her tummy was so flat and tight (I like that!).
Then it was my turn for the 'flip'. Jennifer Started at my shoulders like before but she seemed to be a little faster then before. She could tell I was getting ready for the finish, but she did take her time. Finally, more teasing of the boys, and then she did my legs. I was rock-hard at this point, and at the precisely perfect time, she moved to the fun part. Her hands were AMAZING and she stood close enough to me that I could feel her cute tight ass and inner thighs as she stroked me. It was so enjoyable I was actually trembling a bit through this. Finally, I exploded and she kept it up until every last drop was purged from me.
Clean up was easy - she had the towels right there. After a moment or two, she left to take a shower while finished cleaning up. She then came out of the shower and put on the robe and left for a few moments so I could shower. She came back just as I was putting on my shoes and she waited for me to finish. The amount I tipped is between Jennifer and I, but she was definitely worth it.
Summary:
Looks: 9.5 - smoking hot body.
Attitude: 9 - Jennifer has only worked at ERS for a couple of weeks and I felt that she really provided the service and guidance for a newbie like me.
Experience: 9.5
Value for the dollar: 8 (good service = good tip)
Pros with ERS:
Beautiful girls
Nice location in downtown
Clean location
Nice waiting room
I did not feel like I was at risk to get arrested by going there. From other reports, this place has been around for years and years (George Washington may have even visited!).
Overall, this was less expensive then other options.
Cons with ERS:
An hour from my house.
Not as many girls work on Sunday.
Conclusion:
Because this was a long distance, I debated whether to stop at Belvidere or make the journey all the way to Rockford (Chantilly Lace was my other choice). I chose wisely.
Be safe out there!
SM
Cumsprayer
06-29-10, 12:53
What a day on Monday. Started by picking up a girl on 7th and Broadway. She said her name was LeAnn. never seen her until today. Went to no tell motel and negotiated price. She seemed a little geeked up but was under control. We agreed on 60 big ones for full and bj no cover. She rode on top while I enjoyed the view. Decent up top. She said 36c. Dropped her off on Kishwaukee. On my way home stopped at CLV and choose Mandy. Kind of on the thin side. Figured a massage and a shower to clean up before I went home was a good idea. Mandy gave standard finish with decent massage.
Had an appointment with my standard choice, Lexi, but she was late to work and I was pressed for time. So I took a 20 minute session with Destiny for .45. For my preferences, she's not as attractive as Lexi (although others might disagree), but what service! My standard is CBJ, but she went right for it BB and I had to ask her to put the cover on. Good thing she did because her technique and skill level would have had me popping in a minute w/o the cover. After a couple of minutes I called a timeout, but she was soon back at it and I was soon done. Probably the best BJ I've ever had. Standard .6 tip. Will be a tough choice in the future as to which provider to go with.
Took advantage of a day off to check out the new talant at the executive, Got there at 10: 15 and no customers. Got to see the whole line up, Jackie, well endowed blond looked interesting but then up came Nina, bamb, my choice. Tall, skinny drink of water with a smoking body. Long curly hair, I love curly hair. Opted for the hot tub, good choice, one of the best trips there. Massage was great, very firm and erotic. Finish was standard.
Looks - 8
Body - 9
Hot Tub - 10
Massage -8
Finish -7
Attitude - 10
Stud
Normally I would say good write up for Brazil or Germany.
In the case of Belvidere, you may want to do a lot of editing on the details.
A city council want to be could take your report and use it as a campaign issue to attempt to shut this fine establishment down.
Once on the council, they would steer plenty of business to their financiers and relatives but we all know who the real hoes are.
I think you have a few days in which you can edit the report or make a copy and resubmit the edited report asking the moderator to remove your previous report.
woof woof
Stud Muffin314
07-02-10, 21:04
Hi Everyone-
Pluto brings up an interesting point and I am concerned that I may have done a bad thing. When I posted the details about ERS, I did not think I provided any more information than could be found by searching this forum. Also, there are far more graphic details about other locations throughout these threads. As I stated in my post, I had added the details I would have wanted in one place (instead of hunting all over to get bits and pieces). So I ask you. Did I breach this forum's etiquette by providing the details?
Thanks,
SM
Stud
Normally I would say good write up for Brazil or Germany.
In the case of Belvidere, you may want to do a lot of editing on the details.
A city council want to be could take your report and use it as a campaign issue to attempt to shut this fine establishment down.
Once on the council, they would steer plenty of business to their financiers and relatives but we all know who the real hoes are.
I think you have a few days in which you can edit the report or make a copy and resubmit the edited report asking the moderator to remove your previous report.
woof woof
Got back to ERS, first time in a year anyway, if not two, due to economic downsizing, and had a session with Diana, who spent the whole hour attending to me. First time ever I have not spent some time on massaging the massuese. If there is such a thing as a PSE at ERS, all within the normal bounds, she is it. Good session, and back to work I went. Mannamik
Hi Everyone-
Pluto brings up an interesting point and I am concerned that I may have done a bad thing. When I posted the details about ERS, I did not think I provided any more information than could be found by searching this forum. Also, there are far more graphic details about other locations throughout these threads. As I stated in my post, I had added the details I would have wanted in one place (instead of hunting all over to get bits and pieces). So I ask you. Did I breach this forum's etiquette by providing the details?
Thanks,
SM
Personally, I don't think what you wrote makes much difference at all. Most of what you said has been mentioned at one time or another elsewhere in the forum. Also ERS has been there a long time. I have been reading about is for at least the last four years and have not heard of it being busted. Considering that Belvidere is a fairly small town, I'm pretty sure most of the residents (including the politicians and police) are aware of the place and have a pretty good idea what it is all about. I'm not saying we should dare the police to raid the place in our posts, but pretending they are clueless and that we must "keep the secret" to avoid the place getting busted is fairly ridiculous. If we go the way of some threads and limit the comments to the extent that no information is passed, then what is the point of this forum?
Long story short, the local cops probably know more about the place than any of us. They may decide to raid the place this afternoon, but if they do it will not be because they just now heard about what goes on there from reading this thread.
Indian Chief
07-03-10, 13:39
WOW....... Looks like ERS has beat CLV, now. I have been to both places from 20 years ago to 3 years ago. CLV out right had better girls then ERS.
I am in town today, looks like might have to check the both places out.
IC
The one time I went out there to see the famous 'Diana' she was not working that day. There was a very hot lightskinned black girl who was just starting with a client. The only girls left were pretty old. So I gave up and. Since it's an hour drive. I had never been back.
It sounds like they have a bevy of new, hot talent.
I have to make another trip soon!
Summary:
Looks: 9.5 - smoking hot body.
Attitude: 9 - Jennifer has only worked at ERS for a couple of weeks and I felt that she really provided the service and guidance for a newbie like me.
Experience: 9.5
Value for the dollar: 8 (good service = good tip)
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