Married & mongering

[PayPalMakesMon]

I've been doing escorts here and there (hx, Tijuana) since 2008 but since the pandemic I've really ramped up seeing providers on a weekly basis. I noticed in the last few years I do not get turned on by my wife anymore even though she does everything these providers do. She is still hot and sexy and in her late 20's but for some reason the thrill of getting an escort just seems more fun to me. When my wife and I do do it, my mind is running thru some of my favorite providers instead of thinking about her LOL.

She started thinking I am having ED but my libido drive with her is is low. Maybe it's because we've been together for 8 years.

I was wondering if anyone else had these issues or any similar stories? Would love some feedback. Thank you brothers!

[LoveFromFrank]

I've been doing escorts here and there (hx, Tijuana) since 2008 but since the pandemic I've really ramped up seeing providers on a weekly basis. I noticed in the last few years I do not get turned on by my wife anymore even though she does everything these providers do. She is still hot and sexy and in her late 20's but for some reason the thrill of getting an escort just seems more fun to me. When my wife and I do do it, my mind is running thru some of my favorite providers instead of thinking about her LOL.

She started thinking I am having ED but my libido drive with her is is low. Maybe it's because we've been together for 8 years.

I was wondering if anyone else had these issues or any similar stories? Would love some feedback. Thank you brothers!I get what you're saying about the excitement. I used to run through tinder dates faster than I could really keep up with. It was similar costs and bb was typically my go to if the girl was comfortable but it's so boring compared to the convenience of getting a provider for me. Idk what it is as I have no trouble getting it up with a provider but I realize I need a bit of foreplay or build up for civies. Not sure what the cause of it is or what mental block I have with the sheer primal behavior I have with escorts but know you're not alone.

[JDog1234]

I've been doing escorts here and there (hx, Tijuana) since 2008 but since the pandemic I've really ramped up seeing providers on a weekly basis. I noticed in the last few years I do not get turned on by my wife anymore even though she does everything these providers do. She is still hot and sexy and in her late 20's but for some reason the thrill of getting an escort just seems more fun to me. When my wife and I do do it, my mind is running thru some of my favorite providers instead of thinking about her LOL.

She started thinking I am having ED but my libido drive with her is is low. Maybe it's because we've been together for 8 years.

I was wondering if anyone else had these issues or any similar stories? Would love some feedback. Thank you brothers!Sounds pretty normal to me. There's always extra excitement with something new.

[PayPalMakesMon]

I get what you're saying about the excitement. I used to run through tinder dates faster than I could really keep up with. It was similar costs and bb was typically my go to if the girl was comfortable but it's so boring compared to the convenience of getting a provider for me. Idk what it is as I have no trouble getting it up with a provider but I realize I need a bit of foreplay or build up for civies. Not sure what the cause of it is or what mental block I have with the sheer primal behavior I have with escorts but know you're not alone.So glad you guys are sharing this with me as well! Appreciate you.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Sounds pretty normal to me. There's always extra excitement with something new.And there is something new everyday! It's tough to stay excited with the wife when there are new toys posting up daily 😂 thanks for sharing.

[SuperFlee]

I've been doing escorts here and there (hx, Tijuana) since 2008 but since the pandemic I've really ramped up seeing providers on a weekly basis. I noticed in the last few years I do not get turned on by my wife anymore even though she does everything these providers do. She is still hot and sexy and in her late 20's but for some reason the thrill of getting an escort just seems more fun to me. When my wife and I do do it, my mind is running thru some of my favorite providers instead of thinking about her LOL.

She started thinking I am having ED but my libido drive with her is is low. Maybe it's because we've been together for 8 years.

I was wondering if anyone else had these issues or any similar stories? Would love some feedback. Thank you brothers!I think part of the excitement has to do with the fact that the provider is a new person you have never seen before and your wife is the same person you've been with since marriage so boredom is partly to blame. It's the same with porn how you will get excited for new porn as opposed to porn you have already seen a couple times.

On a side note, I've been kind of dealing with similar issues to you where I've been seeing escorts on and off and losing interest in my wife. We recently rekindled our intimacy again by going through the 34 questions every couple should answer by Arthur Aronson. Not trying to be a marriage counselor or anything, but if you have any interest in being more intimate with your wife, maybe you should give it a try. You can do a quick Google search to pull up the questions.

[HandsOfMidas]

I'm in a different boat for mongering. Married for almost 2 years but I've had sex maybe like 20 times? It's a long story.

But do you guys do BBFS? I prefer it and have done it and considering how infrequently I have sex with my wife, I can get tested in time but was just wondering what the rest of you do.

Thanks for this thread and for sharing.

[FarFarAway]

I'm in a different boat for mongering. Married for almost 2 years but I've had sex maybe like 20 times? It's a long story.

But do you guys do BBFS? I prefer it and have done it and considering how infrequently I have sex with my wife, I can get tested in time but was just wondering what the rest of you do.

Thanks for this thread and for sharing.Long marriage, no sex w / the SO for me. I only ever do covered, but that is my choice, because I am in the health field and I trust no one w / incurable viral diseases. I also don't see mainline sex workers. I have had sugar relationships though, where we both were tested. Even w / a clean test (at some point in time) you can't be sure that you / she is clean today. My peace of mind demands I use a cover.

[PayPalMakesMon]

I think part of the excitement has to do with the fact that the provider is a new person you have never seen before and your wife is the same person you've been with since marriage so boredom is partly to blame. It's the same with porn how you will get excited for new porn as opposed to porn you have already seen a couple times.

On a side note, I've been kind of dealing with similar issues to you where I've been seeing escorts on and off and losing interest in my wife. We recently rekindled our intimacy again by going through the 34 questions every couple should answer by Arthur Aronson. Not trying to be a marriage counselor or anything, but if you have any interest in being more intimate with your wife, maybe you should give it a try. You can do a quick Google search to pull up the questions.I'll definitely check it out. Glad to feel I'm not alone.

[JasonVee]

I'm in a different boat for mongering. Married for almost 2 years but I've had sex maybe like 20 times? It's a long story.

But do you guys do BBFS? I prefer it and have done it and considering how infrequently I have sex with my wife, I can get tested in time but was just wondering what the rest of you do.

Thanks for this thread and for sharing.I'm married too but BBFS with pros is beyond my risk appetite LOL.

Especially how much the korean shops are pushing BBFS.

The korean girls claim "they got shots" for HIV now.

[Ad949]

I'm married too but BBFS with pros is beyond my risk appetite LOL.

Especially how much the korean shops are pushing BBFS.

The korean girls claim "they got shots" for HIV now.Another married monger here. I'm almost 20 years in and it's been sexless for 4+ years. Mongering has been my outlet.

No BBFS for me but BBBJ and CFS are definitely in my rotation. Sometimes just a HJ suffices. Just depends on my mood, amount of time I have free, and other factors. Having a separate PC with a VPN and browser that remembers nothing along with a prepaid burner phone has kept me out of suspicion since I started this about 4 years ago.

Stay safe out there!

[NewStart101]

Another married monger here. I'm almost 20 years in and it's been sexless for 4+ years. Mongering has been my outlet.

No BBFS for me but BBBJ and CFS are definitely in my rotation. Sometimes just a HJ suffices. Just depends on my mood, amount of time I have free, and other factors. Having a separate PC with a VPN and browser that remembers nothing along with a prepaid burner phone has kept me out of suspicion since I started this about 4 years ago.

Stay safe out there!Also married here, 13 years in. Worst decision of my life was getting married. Sexless for the past 5 years. I am finally pulling the trigger and divorcing this good for nothing, no value adding, pain in the head biotch. Had I known about mongering, I would have rejected the thought of marriage. Big waste of my time, money, and sanity.

Sorry for the rant.

Already Started mongering into my 3rd year of marriage. Once this divorce is done and over with, never again. Will keep mongering till my last day on earth.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Another married monger here. I'm almost 20 years in and it's been sexless for 4+ years. Mongering has been my outlet.

No BBFS for me but BBBJ and CFS are definitely in my rotation. Sometimes just a HJ suffices. Just depends on my mood, amount of time I have free, and other factors. Having a separate PC with a VPN and browser that remembers nothing along with a prepaid burner phone has kept me out of suspicion since I started this about 4 years ago.

Stay safe out there!I use Firefox focus to browse. One swipe up and everything is gone. I also use a TextNow number that I log into when I need to use HX but other then that it's been great to avoid hiccups. Thank you for sharing.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Also married here, 13 years in. Worst decision of my life was getting married. Sexless for the past 5 years. I am finally pulling the trigger and divorcing this good for nothing, no value adding, pain in the head biotch. Had I known about mongering, I would have rejected the thought of marriage. Big waste of my time, money, and sanity.

Sorry for the rant.

Already Started mongering into my 3rd year of marriage. Once this divorce is done and over with, never again. Will keep mongering till my last day on earth.I'm glad your ranting because it makes me feel like I'm not alone. I really appreciate your story!

Before I got married I was mongering in Columbia, TJ, and all southwest Asia. All I do now is wish I was in the phillipines and mongering until I die.😂.

Mongering in the US is breaking an arm and a leg. The temptation is even worse that I live in OC, near all the coffee shops, streetwalkers, bikini bars and access to providers with a quick visit to HX 😂.

[HardRick]

Been married 15+ years. Sex with SO has not happened for about 5 years due to health issues. I still love her to death, but I have needs my hand can't fulfill. Been Mongering regularly for about five years. I go in spurts of seeing girls. At least once a month, sometimes weekly, depending on my libido. I'm pretty much BBFS, so I have a few girls I see regularly for this. Otherwise, it's CFS for sport fucking the hot girls. Usually, pay for videos so I can relive these experiences. The BBFS is for my own pleasure.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Been married 15+ years. Sex with SO has not happened for about 5 years due to health issues. I still love her to death, but I have needs my hand can't fulfill. Been Mongering regularly for about five years. I go in spurts of seeing girls. At least once a month, sometimes weekly, depending on my libido. I'm pretty much BBFS, so I have a few girls I see regularly for this. Otherwise, it's CFS for sport fucking the hot girls. Usually, pay for videos so I can relive these experiences. The BBFS is for my own pleasure.Thank you for sharing.

[Lift Her Up]

PayPalMakesMon, thank you for starting this thread. In my case, 25 years ago sex in marriage dropped down to not times per week, but years per time. Then 17 years ago it stopped completely. Two years later I started getting relief from the wonderful women who work in this profession.

Lift Her Up.

[PayPalMakesMon]

PayPalMakesMon, thank you for starting this thread. In my case, 25 years ago sex in marriage dropped down to not times per week, but years per time. Then 17 years ago it stopped completely. Two years later I started getting relief from the wonderful women who work in this profession.

Lift Her Up.I guess mongering will never die. From what I've learned in this thread is that mongering keeps us men happier and if the wifey thinks we are happy then that's all that matters right?

[LoveToCim]

What a fantastic thread PPMM! My compliments & gratitude to you & the rest of the gentlemen who have commented and make me finally come out of the closet on this Board. I've been a lurker of this site for a long time but I've never posted as this is my very first. I've been married and mongering for years; way too many to count. I started mongering back in the 80's before I got married. Then after I got married I completely stopped until we had our first & only child. After that everything changed. My wife's body never returned to the slim version that I liked & over the years I completely lost interest in having sex with her, which is now about 5 years.

Believe me, I feel horrible and sooo guilty about it. I know she's thinking that I can't get it up anymore but that's not it. I get it up quite often as a matter of fact so I either masturbate or see an escort or go the an MP.

I used to be a heavy hitter on HX. I got on that site before it was HX. I go back to its *********** days & before that on TER. I have pages & pages of reviews on TER & FWIW (and believe me I'm NOT proud of it) I'm still a high ranking member of HX. I used to monger a lot, again not proud of it. I used to monger easy 2-3 times a week if not more for a good period of 15-20 years. But since 2 years ago I've cut back drastically. I try not to monger more than once a month but going to an MP as y'all know is so easy. So in reality I'm probably mongering 2-3 times a month with combination of escorts (from HX & TEE) and MPs. I became a paid member of RM a year ago but as you know there are so many fake reviews on that site but I still find it a pretty good source, although I've never posted a review on that site.

I've tried to quit soooo many times that it's countless. The longest I was able to stay away was 6 months and that was 12 years ago when I was still having sex with my wife about once or twice a month. But the urge of mongering brought me back. I have to admit that after all these years I still get super excited when I make an appointment (incall or outcall) with an escort or when I'm walking into an MP. The "thrill" is definitely is there & maybe it's the thrill that feeds my addiction.

Again, Thank You PPMM for creating this thread & the rest of you gentlemen for sharing & reading about my story.

[PayPalMakesMon]

What a fantastic thread PPMM! My compliments & gratitude to you & the rest of the gentlemen who have commented and make me finally come out of the closet on this Board. I've been a lurker of this site for a long time but I've never posted as this is my very first. I've been married and mongering for years; way too many to count. I started mongering back in the 80's before I got married. Then after I got married I completely stopped until we had our first & only child. After that everything changed. My wife's body never returned to the slim version that I liked & over the years I completely lost interest in having sex with her, which is now about 5 years.

Believe me, I feel horrible and sooo guilty about it. I know she's thinking that I can't get it up anymore but that's not it. I get it up quite often as a matter of fact so I either masturbate or see an escort or go the an MP.

I used to be a heavy hitter on HX. I got on that site before it was HX. I go back to its *********** days & before that on TER. I have pages & pages of reviews on TER & FWIW (and believe me I'm NOT proud of it) I'm still a high ranking member of HX. I used to monger a lot, again not proud of it. I used to monger easy 2-3 times a week if not more for a good period of 15-20 years. But since 2 years ago I've cut back drastically. I try not to monger more than once a month but going to an MP as y'all know is so easy. So in reality I'm probably mongering 2-3 times a month with combination of escorts (from HX & TEE) and MPs. I became a paid member of RM a year ago but as you know there are so many fake reviews on that site but I still find it a pretty good source, although I've never posted a review on that site.

I've tried to quit soooo many times that it's countless. The longest I was able to stay away was 6 months and that was 12 years ago when I was still having sex with my wife about once or twice a month. But the urge of mongering brought me back. I have to admit that after all these years I still get super excited when I make an appointment (incall or outcall) with an escort or when I'm walking into an MP. The "thrill" is definitely is there & maybe it's the thrill that feeds my addiction.

Again, Thank You PPMM for creating this thread & the rest of you gentlemen for sharing & reading about my story.I'm so glad you were able to share this! I think your right. I lost interest after she had our kid (2 years ago) and her body never bounced back exactly but she's in really good shape. I think I'm just addicted to making a appt like you said. The thrill of getting access to providers like it's nothing makes it so hard not to check HX in the morning like it's the morning news 😂.

I was wondering since your a vet at mongering: do you think you will ever quit?

When I do have sex with the wife my mind is scrolling thru providers I've been with (like it's Netflix) and I'll pick a chick and imagine her. It's so bad I know.

At first I felt shameful about it but after everyone started sharing on this thread I just realized this is helping me from having an affair or stare at other women like a thirsty dog. I look at it as a way to satisfy my needs and in her eyes I am a good man that won't be hitting on her friends or other chicks. I guess it's just beneficial for both of us but only I know about it haha.

[PelicanT99]

I'm divorced, so no longer married; but this is an interesting thread so I'd like to add my perspective. I was loyal for 18 years of marriage, only to learn my ex was basically the town ho while I was working 15 hours a day to build our future. The last 3-4 years she pretty much cut me off from sex, I thought for medical reasons but just her BS. I was going f'and nuts with no recourse but my hand. Then we separate, and I start dating & mongering (too busy to wait 3 dates LOL). A little mongering soon convinced me dating was not the best solution for satisfying sexual desires. Mongering is convenient, anonymous, no baggage, and "always a new toy to try" like OP says. I still date a little & also have FWBs (while they last), but I'll never stop mongering now, the last 20+ years have been great. Do I long for commitment & security? Sometimes. But I'd have to either have to lose my taste for "strange" or find a woman who doesn't care. Maybe that happens, who knows. If only I'd figured this out earlier in life. So I'm with all those who monger through a non sexual relationship, or with express or tacit consent. Lying effectively is a lot of work and hard to maintain; too much for me, but if you can handle it more power to you. Life's too short to pass up sexual joy when it's literally all around.

Thanks for the therapy session LOL.

[RCK9985]

"Love is the illusion that one woman is better than the next. " HL Menken.

Great discussion here and good perspectives. Got divorced a few years back and escorts world is a game changer vs the dating game IMO. Levels the playing field in our favor, and agree with that thrill of the chase theory. Only gripe is HX quality has gone down quite a bit overall, while prices gone up compared to several years back. Expecting that to change with next major recession, supply and demand turning back in our favor for the casual hobbyist. Cash is king is a recession.

[PitfallHarry13]

Very interesting thread. I accidentally stumbled into happy endings I'd been in a dead bedroom for years, and I would get massages at places that I felt were probably legit (look up Google reviews and see if there are any women's names in the list). It was just to experience having someone touch me, but I purposely avoided places where I would be tempted to cross a line. That was until one day I was in a place with legit reviews and it escalated from a great massage to tickling to an HJ gesture and I gladly said "Yes!

I wondered that day how I would feel. What I realized was that the DB had left me feeling unwanted. I felt like no one would want to touch me sexually or make me feel good. I realized that night that I felt desirable again. I knew I paid for it, but still, a hot woman wanted to touch me and make me climax. The boost to my self worth was huge. I really think I became a different person after that first experience.

I'm not fooling myself I can't tell my wife nor can I leave her for reasons I won't go into here. I'm cheating. But our marriage is actually better now, and I feel like a desirable person for the first time in a long time.

The down side is that as a monger you occasionally have bad experiences. Girls that are not interested, clock watchers, etc. And for me that causes my self worth to take a hit. That's probably why I stick with a very small list of providers because I am comfortable with them, and they enjoy seeing me (or they play the part well, which I'm fine with).

[PelicanT99]

…The down side is that as a monger you occasionally have bad experiences. Girls that are not interested, clock watchers, etc. And for me that causes my self worth to take a hit. That's probably why I stick with a very small list of providers because I am comfortable with them, and they enjoy seeing me (or they play the part well, which I'm fine with).Enough time with sex workers and you'll learn not to take their actions or words personally; it's not about you, it's about them. And don't confuse their interest in your money with interest in you. That's just you wanting to believe. Just take the good parts and ignore the bad, until they get too much to keep patronizing her, and then move on. Yes, some play the part convincingly, and that's great: enjoy it but don't take it (or her) to the bank based on her performance. Mongering is great but it's not a "relationship," and trying to substitute is unlikely to end well. It's more like a petting zoo with exotic animals: it's cool, but always be wary of their nature.

[CityboysUp]

Seeing these threads is pretty depressing but word of advice, if you want to keep your marriage going and you want to bring back the sex, you got to take the comfort away from her.

Hit the gym, spend more time doing other things, ghosting her, keeping her guessing, etc. She'll accuse you of cheating, but it doesn't matter anyway because what's going to happen, you get a divorce? That's what's going to happen anyway if you keep going down the path you're on. At which point, if the sex does get better, if you're bold enough you can start pushing for other partners and get MFF threesomes going.

But all of this means nothing if you feel like you have zero leverage and don't want to risk losing her. The irony is that if you can detach that feeling, you will actually have MORE leverage to get the life you want and to be fulfilled.

[FarFarAway]

"Love is the illusion that one woman is better than the next. " HL Menken.

Great discussion here and good perspectives. Got divorced a few years back and escorts world is a game changer vs the dating game IMO. Levels the playing field in our favor, and agree with that thrill of the chase theory. Only gripe is HX quality has gone down quite a bit overall, while prices gone up compared to several years back. Expecting that to change with next major recession, supply and demand turning back in our favor for the casual hobbyist. Cash is king is a recession.Yah, I don't think I'll be taking any life advice from Mencken (SP, BTW), a widely known curmudgeon. I want my life to be happy. I can say that there are many many women who are better than other women, and it took me a long time to find someone whose company I can enjoy no matter what we're doing. I am happily married and aim to stay that way. That doesn't mean everything in the relationship is perfect, but we are together for mutual benefits.

[CJung78]

What a fantastic thread PPMM! My compliments & gratitude to you & the rest of the gentlemen who have commented and make me finally come out of the closet on this Board. I've been a lurker of this site for a long time but I've never posted as this is my very first. I've been married and mongering for years; way too many to count. I started mongering back in the 80's before I got married. Then after I got married I completely stopped until we had our first & only child. After that everything changed. My wife's body never returned to the slim version that I liked & over the years I completely lost interest in having sex with her, which is now about 5 years.

Believe me, I feel horrible and sooo guilty about it. I know she's thinking that I can't get it up anymore but that's not it. I get it up quite often as a matter of fact so I either masturbate or see an escort or go the an MP.

I used to be a heavy hitter on HX.Agree with the appreciation of creating this thread.

Mongering for the past 10 years on and off.

Still can't get over the thrills of making appts to see a new provider.

Though many times also got disappointed with the looks and the services provided.

Used to feel lots of guilt but less nowadays.

Tried to quit but never fully worked.

Best to just enjoy it when you can.

Everyone has their own personal struggles and stories and reasons for mongering.

Why not just do what makes you happy while keeping the Mrs happy too.

[RealSexyPanda]

Thanks for creating this.

I've been married for almost a year and had to go back to mongering. It went downhill after the engagement. She went from wild crazy PSE daily sex, to bland missionary only once a month sex. Always with excuses and also stopped trying to dress up, use makeup etc.

I went the route of making myself look better and doing activities without her. Will see how she responds over the next few months as I improve.

I did get a prenup before ever getting married and not afraid to divorce, but stay patient in the for better or worse part as I don't want to just give up or walk and leave her with nothing.

Since my offices in the PNW and Bay area are back to RTO mode, I travel a lot more and have conferences in midwest and east coasts.

I've hobbied a few times since with some desirables I never had a chance with as well as AMPs and K agencies.

I ended up creating a seperate bank account for hobby funds and will buy items as debit, with extra cash back to slowly build hobby cash when travelling.

Google Voice and Gmail has been an unreliable mess for my hobby line (cannot ever reccomend this anymore) so that's actually blocked me from contacting providers.

DO NOT USE GOOGLE.

It will want you to authenticate with the last burner device you had or block you if using WiFi from another IP outside your normal area you activated or got the phone from.

The bank I use for hobby funds only has branches in one state so I will cancel it sometime. I leave my card at the office but really want a bank I can walk in with just I'd and withdraw cash, so no need for a card.

I can't risk BBFS ever and even avoid BBBJ.

Any sign of disease even if treatable is too costly. If I avoid sex, she would get paranoid why.

This has been tough with providers who love BBBJ, DFK and SS.

One provider was upset as she straight up wanted to go PSE GFE like a crazy horny high school girl and I would only do CFS.

I don't regret marriage yet, but will say I probably did it way too soon.

[HapaBoy86]

All my married friends who mongered it never worked out!

Few of them The Wife would give them a free pass on the first one with yelling, sleeping by themselves for a few months, etc.

But, after there 2nd time getting caught straight to divorce and hit them financially Hard!

Several of then we're straight to Divorce!

Cheating "never" works out when your married!

[PayPalMakesMon]

All my married friends who mongered it never worked out!

Few of them The Wife would give them a free pass on the first one with yelling, sleeping by themselves for a few months, etc.

But, after there 2nd time getting caught straight to divorce and hit them financially Hard!

Several of then we're straight to Divorce!

Cheating "never" works out when your married!I bet they are much happier now right hapa!?

[Plasma Spray]

What the heck do these women think?!

If it ain't from her, it will be from somewhere else.

All these stiffs seem to belong to the same club and follow the same script. LOL!

[FarFarAway]

All my married friends who mongered it never worked out!

Few of them The Wife would give them a free pass on the first one with yelling, sleeping by themselves for a few months, etc.

But, after there 2nd time getting caught straight to divorce and hit them financially Hard!

Several of then we're straight to Divorce!

Cheating "never" works out when your married!I appreciate that reminder. There is nothing better than a healthy fear of consequences to make people ultra-careful.

IK a few people who were long term sugardaddies, perhaps that is easier to keep under wraps. You can't make mistakes, you have to know your subconscious (I. E, sometimes the SO knows you are 'too happy' - someone married I saw long ago used to say she would 'suck a lemon' before she went home to her hubs, so he would not suspect how happy she was), and you have to have a bit of luck. Sometimes, just really unfortunate coincidences or whatever can reveal to the SO you were in a place you weren't supposed to be.

[Suede15]

I haven't been caught mongering but cheating. Yet, I have cheated again since and very cautious. I get calls and texts all the time, so I have to be very very careful. My mongering used to be 3 times a week at times until covid hit. Have seen a handful since then.


I appreciate that reminder. There is nothing better than a healthy fear of consequences to make people ultra-careful.

IK a few people who were long term sugardaddies, perhaps that is easier to keep under wraps. You can't make mistakes, you have to know your subconscious (I. E, sometimes the SO knows you are 'too happy' - someone married I saw long ago used to say she would 'suck a lemon' before she went home to her hubs, so he would not suspect how happy she was), and you have to have a bit of luck. Sometimes, just really unfortunate coincidences or whatever can reveal to the SO you were in a place you weren't supposed to be.

[Suede15]

It's sad, but true. It's an addiction, like any other. The rush you get when you get the text of the room number and going up to see your latest fix. I moved from California to Nashville to get away from it, but even after being caught cheating I still face the same addiction day after day. I can't leave my wife due to the fact that I feel guilt that she never had a child because I felt sorry for her, but never told her the truth. It's the guilt that keeps me where I am now. I stopped from my days of mongering 2 to 3 times, and my hx account I am almost a level 5, but at times I have to stop and feel sadness for the way things came out and what I've done to someone else. She never found out the full truth, only that I cheated "once" with some random stranger from tinder. The truth is, I've cheated hundreds of times, mongering or through other means such as fetlife or craigslist.


What a fantastic thread PPMM! My compliments & gratitude to you & the rest of the gentlemen who have commented and make me finally come out of the closet on this Board. I've been a lurker of this site for a long time but I've never posted as this is my very first. I've been married and mongering for years; way too many to count. I started mongering back in the 80's before I got married. Then after I got married I completely stopped until we had our first & only child. After that everything changed. My wife's body never returned to the slim version that I liked & over the years I completely lost interest in having sex with her, which is now about 5 years.

Believe me, I feel horrible and sooo guilty about it. I know she's thinking that I can't get it up anymore but that's not it. I get it up quite often as a matter of fact so I either masturbate or see an escort or go the an MP..

[HapaBoy86]

I bet they are much happier now right hapa!?Some yes and some NO.

Few of them still hobby!

Several of them after taking a financial hit and going through the divorce and court process we're "so embarrassed"!

And, when the wives showed all the evidence to his and her families. LOL.

One lost his job cause he worked for the family business of hers.

[SCJohn]

It's sad, but true. It's an addiction, like any other. The rush you get when you get the text of the room number and going up to see your latest fix. I moved from California to Nashville to get away from it, but even after being caught cheating I still face the same addiction day after day. I can't leave my wife due to the fact that I feel guilt that she never had a child because I felt sorry for her, but never told her the truth. It's the guilt that keeps me where I am now. I stopped from my days of mongering 2 to 3 times, and my hx account I am almost a level 5, but at times I have to stop and feel sadness for the way things came out and what I've done to someone else. She never found out the full truth, only that I cheated "once" with some random stranger from tinder. The truth is, I've cheated hundreds of times, mongering or through other means such as fetlife or craigslist.Life is too short to feel guilty. I've read some of your post in Nashville. You need move back to CA and get back on HX. There's a lot of great talent here. You at least need to visit once a year. Don't know why you feel guilty about the wife. If she's not satisfying your needs. That's on her. There are other ways to feel fulfilled in life.

[DonJuan8891]

I agree with Sc John. Life is too short to feel guilty. I do make sure I get regularly checked for stds. In a vast majority of marriages sex drive is goig to be different between two people. Always ends up with one party wanting sex more than the other. Often this can lead to resentment. As long as you're being safe I don't see the big issue. That being said I'm sure there are exceptions, but I don't see a majority of guys doing this with wives that are still hyped for sex and continue to try to keep up their appearance. I would greatly prefer to have a healthy sexual relationship with my wife rather than hobbying. Having to choose between essentially never having sex vs occasionally hobbying is an easy choice for me. At the end she's happy to not be hassled and I'm happy because I get some relief. Escort is happy because she made some cash. Win win win.

[Ace McNasty]

I really don't belong in this thread now but I been married before so I can offer a unique perspective. I watched an interview of one of my fav actors Tom Hardy. He played Venom and also Batman archenemy Bane. Anyway he said being alone is dangerous. If you can survive the first 2-3 months of loneliness, you will later realize how peaceful life is being alone, and you will never want to go back to being with someone again. So that has been my life now. Alone but not lonely. Been banging and giving creampies to the hottest 18-20 year old girls available without stress or guilt, and there simply is no way I can ever go back to being with just one woman again. So if I get married, the thirst will overpower me, then it means I have to cheat on her. And the way I monger, I will get caught in less than a week LOL.

I never mongered while I was married. Never even been to as much as a strip club. I was 100% faithful to my high school sweetheart. The most I ever did was watch porn online when she was out of the house. I guess in my 20's and 30's I was so focused on growing my business. But then life happened and we got divorced.

My first escort right after my divorce was a 23 yo black leather clad hottie in Cleveland. She looked like Pat Benatar. It was during a business trip. I lived in the Bay Area back then and there was a popular escort site called Redbook. I joined and my first girl there was a hot thin 22 yo redhead named Hope. She was as amazing in bed as she was gorgeous. Pics below. That site was like the HX of Northern CA, then it became defunct, and I found Hx later. Ten years later I think she still posts ads but she got a Mom bod now. I bet she replicated couple of times and they never really get back to that girlish figure after cloning. So yeah, will continue to bang as many hot girls I can find, and could never go back to civie dating or committed relationships again. Am basically Tom Hardy now.

Do any of you married mongers remember who your first escort was during marriage?

[FarFarAway]

I really don't belong in this thread now but I been married before so I can offer a unique perspective. I watched an interview of one of my fav actors Tom Hardy. He played Venom and also Batman archenemy Bane. Anyway he said being alone is dangerous. If you can survive the first 2-3 months of loneliness, you will later realize how peaceful life is being alone, and you will never want to go back to being with someone again. So that has been my life now. Alone but not lonely. Been banging and giving creampies to the hottest 18-20 year old girls available without stress or guilt, and there simply is no way I can ever go back to being with just one woman again. So if I get married, the thirst will overpower me, then it means I have to cheat on her. And the way I monger, I will get caught in less than a week LOL.Ace since you can't' get PM, I want to ask you here, about an escort you posted about, Colette, big tits. I have met someone who might meet that definition, but on a sugar site. A 40 YO MILF. I don't want to pay steak prices for hamburger, YK? Do you think it could be the same woman?

[Member #6645]

I agree with Sc John. Life is too short to feel guilty. I do make sure I get regularly checked for stds. In a vast majority of marriages sex drive is goig to be different between two people. Always ends up with one party wanting sex more than the other. Often this can lead to resentment. As long as you're being safe I don't see the big issue. That being said I'm sure there are exceptions, but I don't see a majority of guys doing this with wives that are still hyped for sex and continue to try to keep up their appearance. I would greatly prefer to have a healthy sexual relationship with my wife rather than hobbying. Having to choose between essentially never having sex vs occasionally hobbying is an easy choice for me. At the end she's happy to not be hassled and I'm happy because I get some relief. Escort is happy because she made some cash. Win win win.You nailed it. Not only sex drive, but sexual interest too. And the way I see it, society makes it seem like a vice when indeed it is quite natural. As long as you are acting safe and responsibly then I don't really see it as an issue. I always wondered if women would be more upset if their partners cheated physically or emotionally. For example getting caught in the physical act or getting caught texting LOL. FYI I am not married and not planning on it anytime soon.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Hey fellow mongers! I was wondering if you guys can help me with any advice?

I know I started this thread to express the married and mongering topic but lately It has been affecting me.

Before, I would be able to have sex wit the wifey and cum easily. The last few times we've done it, I haven't been able to cum. I noticed my sex drive to want to do it with the wife has also been at an all time low lately as well. The crazy part is my wife is pretty hot, young (29) and I am 41. We've been together for 8 years and there is no problems in our marriage. We are still happy in love but I'm not sure if it's because we've been together so long that I just don't ever have the urge to do it with her. Even when I am doing her, my mind is scrolling down memories of certain providers.

In the last month I've been going to HX and this forum every other morning and setting up appts to see chicks that are throwing out good specials for under $150. With these providers I am cumming perfectly normal but Its starting to take a toll on the bank account. I think in the back of my mind I am always telling myself how easy of access we have with HX. It's literally a PM, set a appt and get the job done. I was wondering if anyone had some similar issues with their wife? Also how did you tackle the problem? If I can still perform with the wifey then she won't ever suspect anything but now it's becoming a problem where she is asking questions like " is it me? Are you still attracted to me? Is there someone else? " and the pressure is building on myself to not being able to perform.

I was thinking about taking a break from HX just to reset my mind but I am always telling myself " LAST TIME" and it just continues. The access is just super convenient that my brain is telling me to cum with providers because maybe it's exciting?

If anyone went thru this or is having similar issues I would love to hear it. Thank you so much fellow mongers!

[AlrightCool69]

Hey fellow mongers! I was wondering if you guys can help me with any advice?

I know I started this thread to express the married and mongering topic but lately It has been affecting me.

Before, I would be able to have sex wit the wifey and cum easily. The last few times we've done it, I haven't been able to cum. I noticed my sex drive to want to do it with the wife has also been at an all time low lately as well. The crazy part is my wife is pretty hot, young (29) and I am 41. We've been together for 8 years and there is no problems in our marriage. We are still happy in love but I'm not sure if it's because we've been together so long that I just don't ever have the urge to do it with her. Even when I am doing her, my mind is scrolling down memories of certain providers.

In the last month I've been going to HX and this forum every other morning and setting up appts to see chicks that are throwing out good specials for under $150. With these providers I am cumming perfectly normal but Its starting to take a toll on the bank account. I think in the back of my mind I am always telling myself how easy of access we have with HX. It's literally a PM, set a appt and get the job done. I was wondering if anyone had some similar issues with their wife? Also how did you tackle the problem? If I can still perform with the wifey then she won't ever suspect anything but now it's becoming a problem where she is asking questions like " is it me? Are you still attracted to me? Is there someone else? " and the pressure is building on myself to not being able to perform.

I was thinking about taking a break from HX just to reset my mind but I am always telling myself " LAST TIME" and it just continues. The access is just super convenient that my brain is telling me to cum with providers because maybe it's exciting?

If anyone went thru this or is having similar issues I would love to hear it. Thank you so much fellow mongers!Sounds like you're a sex addict. Which is very common in this community (If that wasn't apparent). But I'm no doctor or anything.

Have you ever tried talking to a professional? Whether that'd be a therapist or marriage counselor.

[ZzzBoy14]

Hey fellow mongers! I was wondering if you guys can help me with any advice?

I know I started this thread to express the married and mongering topic but lately It has been affecting me.

Before, I would be able to have sex wit the wifey and cum easily. The last few times we've done it, I haven't been able to cum. I noticed my sex drive to want to do it with the wife has also been at an all time low lately as well. The crazy part is my wife is pretty hot, young (29) and I am 41. We've been together for 8 years and there is no problems in our marriage. We are still happy in love but I'm not sure if it's because we've been together so long that I just don't ever have the urge to do it with her. Even when I am doing her, my mind is scrolling down memories of certain providers.

In the last month I've been going to HX and this forum every other morning and setting up appts to see chicks that are throwing out good specials for under $150. With these providers I am cumming perfectly normal but Its starting to take a toll on the bank account. I think in the back of my mind I am always telling myself how easy of access we have with HX. It's literally a PM, set a appt and get the job done. I was wondering if anyone had some similar issues with their wife? Also how did you tackle the problem? If I can still perform with the wifey then she won't ever suspect anything but now it's becoming a problem where she is asking questions like " is it me? Are you still attracted to me? Is there someone else? " and the pressure is building on myself to not being able to perform.

I was thinking about taking a break from HX just to reset my mind but I am always telling myself " LAST TIME" and it just continues. The access is just super convenient that my brain is telling me to cum with providers because maybe it's exciting?

If anyone went thru this or is having similar issues I would love to hear it. Thank you so much fellow mongers!Not married, but that babylove pussy is good, huh? I think about it a lot too haha.

[MacNCheese]

We've been together for 8 years and there is no problems in our marriage.This is very obviously not true otherwise you would not be seeking out hookers. No judgement here as there's no such thing as a perfect marriage, but you can't fool yourself into thinking everything's normal. There's always a thrill being with a new girl, so I'm sure there's some part of you that's bored in bed with the wife.

If it's affecting your relationship and you really want to stay with her, you should probably take a break and reevaluate yourself. If you can't stop yourself, like the other dude said you're probably an addict. Try therapy if you need it.

[Suede15]

Ace since you can't' get PM, I want to ask you here, about an escort you posted about, Colette, big tits. I have met someone who might meet that definition, but on a sugar site. A 40 YO MILF. I don't want to pay steak prices for hamburger, YK? Do you think it could be the same woman?Colette off hx is defintely not in her 40's. Maybe early 30's now. Most likely not her, but she still post on hx. Not sure her handle now.

[DWaits]

The escorts you see don't ask you to stop at the grocery store, don't get colds and filled up with snot, don't forget to flush the toilet with a little turd still left in it, don't say stupid shit every day. You show up, you have sex, you pay your money, you leave. They are basically sex dolls. Wives are boring. So are husbands. Take a break from the escorts, try some different sex with your wife. You'll still be bored by her at various points but you would be bored with whoever your fantasy woman is as well.

[PayPalMakesMon]

The escorts you see don't ask you to stop at the grocery store, don't get colds and filled up with snot, don't forget to flush the toilet with a little turd still left in it, don't say stupid shit every day. You show up, you have sex, you pay your money, you leave. They are basically sex dolls. Wives are boring. So are husbands. Take a break from the escorts, try some different sex with your wife. You'll still be bored by her at various points but you would be bored with whoever your fantasy woman is as well.Great advice D! I'm definitely trying this.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Not married, but that babylove pussy is good, huh? I think about it a lot too haha.No doubt! Best deal hands down right now 😂.

[FreeWally]

Google Voice and Gmail has been an unreliable mess for my hobby line (cannot ever reccomend this anymore) so that's actually blocked me from contacting providers.

DO NOT USE GOOGLE.

It will want you to authenticate with the last burner device you had or block you if using WiFi from another IP outside your normal area you activated or got the phone from.

The bank I use for hobby funds only has branches in one state so I will cancel it sometime. I leave my card at the office but really want a bank I can walk in with just I'd and withdraw cash, so no need for a card.Hi, a few tips for anyone who wants them. First, in iphone you can set the ringtone for text or call to silent for individual numbers by editing the contact.

If you can keep numbers / notes secure, remember to delete texts etc. After visit (after deleting a text, clip top left Filters and go to recently deleted and permanently delete them). For strippers and freelancers I use Instagram. I turn off notifications so I only get messages when I open the app. I delete the app when I'm not in business (just a minute to download again). And of course, best to be in business when out of town or early before work / lunch so you can fix any issues. I even bring my own soap just in case, travel size. Store things consistently in the proper place. Some cars have a hidden compartment with space near the spare wheel. Don't keep what you don't need.

About addiction and budgeting. An addiction is when you can't stop doing something even though there are clear and severe consequences. It is not an addiction for me to eat 5 slices of apple pie, because I am a perfectly fit normal weight person. But if I can't stop eating apple pie even though I have diabetes and am overweight and the doctor told me my life will be short and paintful if I don't stop, then I have an addiction. If you are rich and spending $50 K on girls, that alone is not an addiction. But if you are spending way more than you can afford, it is. If you are taking too many risks, same thing.

Even as someone who has a lifelong obsession, occasionally addiction, I can stop and have. I've stopped visiting girls for years. Don't know if it would work for others, but I found other hobbies, including porn. Then I replaced porn with watching bluray movies. Keeping a private journal really helped me identify when an intensive hobby turned into an addiction, and I stopped. Many people can't but I'm saying there are certainly steps you can take to give yourself a chance.

About STDs, bbbj is much much safer than bbfs. With bbbj the main risk left is herpes and the many strains of HPV. HPV has an excellent vaccine called Gardasil, which finally a few years ago they opened up to anyone (it used to be only young girls, then young men, now everyone). I won't go into the details but it covers every HPV strain that causes warts and cervical cancer. Crabs are a small white insect that is only an issue between people with pubic hair. They grab onto the pubic hair, lay lots of eggs, cause lots of itching. They die very fast with proper application of NIX which is sold over the counter. If the girl is shaved, it's not an issue. It is known since ancient times.

Herpes is very common and for most people not a big deal. It is also an STD you can get even with full protection. Some people have no symptoms, others have flare ups especially at the beginning with pus filled skin, and spreading it to a partner is an issue. Bbfs opens you up to many more STDs and has a higher transmission rate for all of them. STDs like Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are possible with oral sex but studies show it has a super low transmission rate that way (Chlamydia can survive in the throat so if it is deep throat bbbj it's possible). Whereas with professional girls bbfs STDs are just a matter of time.

There should be no guilt or shame about sex itself. In many countries there is none at all. To use an example, in Thailand you can be a ladyboy or visit a ladyboy and it is simply a preference. Nobody considers them lesser people there, which is one reason why it is so common and open. Prostitution is open and not tabboo in any way. They are an enlightened people in this aspect. So don't feel such shame.

But, that is not to say if you are in a relationship that it is okay to cheat or hurt someone. It is a very personal thing you will have to work out for yourself. As others said, mongering with a relationship does not work out in the long run.

[OCMongerin]

Anyone know of any places that take credit card for both house fee and tip?

The wife can see the activity in our shared bank account.

But she doesn't have access to my CC info.

[FarFarAway]

Anyone know of any places that take credit card for both house fee and tip?

The wife can see the activity in our shared bank account.

But she doesn't have access to my CC info.You are really rolling the dice -- if they come up snake -eyes, you are hosed.

[GBenson3]

Anyone know of any places that take credit card for both house fee and tip?

The wife can see the activity in our shared bank account.

But she doesn't have access to my CC info.Go to supermarket and do shopping.

Get cash out at same time. But 120 shopping and 60 cash for example.

I doubt statement lists breakdown of purchases vs cash out at same transaction.

Try it and see but that's seems clean to me. Just my 2 c.

[McNutties]

Haven in Santa Ana does. But NO NO NO WHY? Haha.

What might make sense though a pain is venmo a buddy and have him take out money for you haha. At least if anyone sees your venmo transactions you can just say you really suck at fantasy footbl or something.


Anyone know of any places that take credit card for both house fee and tip?

The wife can see the activity in our shared bank account.

But she doesn't have access to my CC info.

[Dog Rice]

Married 25 years now. Started mongering about 15 years ago. She is not taking care of her body, and stopped makeup and dressing up for me in bed. (Going out still making up).

STD risk and guilt are still bothering me even after this long time. I even got PE when seeing pro ladies. During the last 15 years, I got into several gf relationships. Awesome sex and big enjoyment I guess my stupid brain cell is telling me that there is no guilt and no STD risk w / gf relationship. But those are super risky if you want to keep the marriage. Now, I am back to seeing pro ladies but not very frequent. Mainly due to the guilt and STD risk (I am like you. Strictly covered.). As I am getting older, CBJ is getting not cutting it. That's one of the reasons I am slowing down the mongering. Complex feeling and situation.

However, I do not regret getting married. Family is important to me, but my sex life is definitely lacking.


Thanks for creating this.

I've been married for almost a year and had to go back to mongering. It went downhill after the engagement. She went from wild crazy PSE daily sex, to bland missionary only once a month sex. Always with excuses and also stopped trying to dress up, use makeup etc.

I went the route of making myself look better and doing activities without her. Will see how she responds over the next few months as I improve.

I did get a prenup before ever getting married and not afraid to divorce, but stay patient in the for better or worse part as I don't want to just give up or walk and leave her with nothing.

Since my offices in the PNW and Bay area are back to RTO mode, I travel a lot more and have conferences in midwest and east coasts.

I've hobbied a few times since with some desirables I never had a chance with as well as AMPs and K agencies.

I ended up creating a seperate bank account for hobby funds and will buy items as debit, with extra cash back to slowly build hobby cash when travelling.

Google Voice and Gmail has been an unreliable mess for my hobby line (cannot ever reccomend this anymore) so that's actually blocked me from contacting providers.

DO NOT USE GOOGLE.

It will want you to authenticate with the last burner device you had or block you if using WiFi from another IP outside your normal area you activated or got the phone from.

The bank I use for hobby funds only has branches in one state so I will cancel it sometime. I leave my card at the office but really want a bank I can walk in with just I'd and withdraw cash, so no need for a card.

I can't risk BBFS ever and even avoid BBBJ.

Any sign of disease even if treatable is too costly. If I avoid sex, she would get paranoid why.

This has been tough with providers who love BBBJ, DFK and SS.

One provider was upset as she straight up wanted to go PSE GFE like a crazy horny high school girl and I would only do CFS.

I don't regret marriage yet, but will say I probably did it way too soon.

[NutritionFacts]

We got together a bit young, didn't get married until recently. Sex is boring, conversation is boring but I love her. I feel very guilty but I can't stop, I only see someone 1-3 times a year, always covered. Hav been looking for a gf type thing but tbh none of the women I met on SA were very interesting save for 2 but they have BPD or BP. Probably one of the hottest women I have ever met.

[JasonVee]

We got together a bit young, didn't get married until recently. Sex is boring, conversation is boring but I love her. I feel very guilty but I can't stop, I only see someone 1-3 times a year, always covered. Hav been looking for a gf type thing but tbh none of the women I met on SA were very interesting save for 2 but they have BPD or BP. Probably one of the hottest women I have ever met.Whats bpb or BP?

[Oc Amper]

We got together a bit young, didn't get married until recently. Sex is boring, conversation is boring but I love her. I feel very guilty but I can't stop, I only see someone 1-3 times a year, always covered. Hav been looking for a gf type thing but tbh none of the women I met on SA were very interesting save for 2 but they have BPD or BP. Probably one of the hottest women I have ever met.BiPolar or Borderline personality, for those looking for the abreviations.

They say, the best piece of a* is from a crazy woman. Guess, you have the same experience.

[Tjinla2001]

We got together a bit young, didn't get married until recently. Sex is boring, conversation is boring but I love her. I feel very guilty but I can't stop, I only see someone 1-3 times a year, always covered. Hav been looking for a gf type thing but tbh none of the women I met on SA were very interesting save for 2 but they have BPD or BP. Probably one of the hottest women I have ever met.When will you finally go BBFS? Although it would be a shame if you gave your wife the full-blown AIDs.

[DWaits]

Go to supermarket and do shopping.

Get cash out at same time. But 120 shopping and 60 cash for example.

I doubt statement lists breakdown of purchases vs cash out at same transaction.

Try it and see but that's seems clean to me. Just my 2 c.My bank lists amount paid and cash back.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Married 25 years now. Started mongering about 15 years ago. She is not taking care of her body, and stopped makeup and dressing up for me in bed. (Going out still making up).

STD risk and guilt are still bothering me even after this long time. I even got PE when seeing pro ladies. During the last 15 years, I got into several gf relationships. Awesome sex and big enjoyment I guess my stupid brain cell is telling me that there is no guilt and no STD risk w / gf relationship. But those are super risky if you want to keep the marriage. Now, I am back to seeing pro ladies but not very frequent. Mainly due to the guilt and STD risk (I am like you. Strictly covered.). As I am getting older, CBJ is getting not cutting it. That's one of the reasons I am slowing down the mongering. Complex feeling and situation.

However, I do not regret getting married. Family is important to me, but my sex life is definitely lacking.Your right. The CBJ is a deal breaker for me too! BBBJ is a must to feel that sensation.

[Member #6645]

My bank lists amount paid and cash back.Hmm I wonder if you buy those Visa cards at like Target to purchase a product then return it and get cash back? Seems like a lot of work.

[TwoCentsSteve]

Married 25 years now. Started mongering about 15 years ago. She is not taking care of her body, and stopped makeup and dressing up for me in bed. (Going out still making up).

STD risk and guilt are still bothering me even after this long time. I even got PE when seeing pro ladies. During the last 15 years, I got into several gf relationships. Awesome sex and big enjoyment I guess my stupid brain cell is telling me that there is no guilt and no STD risk w / gf relationship. But those are super risky if you want to keep the marriage. Now, I am back to seeing pro ladies but not very frequent. Mainly due to the guilt and STD risk (I am like you. Strictly covered.). As I am getting older, CBJ is getting not cutting it. That's one of the reasons I am slowing down the mongering. Complex feeling and situation.

However, I do not regret getting married. Family is important to me, but my sex life is definitely lacking.What is PE?

[Ace McNasty]

What is PE?Vitamin V.

The only Performance Enhancer I ever needed is an 19 yo blonde spinner fresh out of HS and now a college newbie.

Cialis? We don't need no stinking Cialis. Currently banging this girl right now, found her off Seeking. Looks like Ms. Teen USA. She makes my dick like the mighty oak LOL.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Vitamin V.

The only Performance Enhancer I ever needed is an 19 yo blonde spinner fresh out of HS and now a college newbie.

Cialis? We don't need no stinking Cialis. Currently banging this girl right now, found her off Seeking. Looks like Ms. Teen USA. She makes my dick like the mighty oak LOL.Jackpot! Congratulations!!

[Dog Rice]

Ace,

I am living my dream in your adventure, man!!


Vitamin V.

The only Performance Enhancer I ever needed is an 19 yo blonde spinner fresh out of HS and now a college newbie.

Cialis? We don't need no stinking Cialis. Currently banging this girl right now, found her off Seeking. Looks like Ms. Teen USA. She makes my dick like the mighty oak LOL.

[FarFarAway]

What is PE?Premature ejaculation.

[LabiaFedora]

Married 25 years now. Started mongering about 15 years ago. She is not taking care of her body, and stopped makeup and dressing up for me in bed. (Going out still making up).

STD risk and guilt are still bothering me even after this long time. I even got PE when seeing pro ladies. During the last 15 years, I got into several gf relationships. Awesome sex and big enjoyment I guess my stupid brain cell is telling me that there is no guilt and no STD risk w / gf relationship. But those are super risky if you want to keep the marriage. Now, I am back to seeing pro ladies but not very frequent. Mainly due to the guilt and STD risk (I am like you. Strictly covered.). As I am getting older, CBJ is getting not cutting it. That's one of the reasons I am slowing down the mongering. Complex feeling and situation.

However, I do not regret getting married. Family is important to me, but my sex life is definitely lacking.What's the most amount of times you have seen the GFE provider? Do you feel more guilty because you are "emotionally" invested?

[HVOogre]

Vitamin V.

The only Performance Enhancer I ever needed is an 19 yo blonde spinner fresh out of HS and now a college newbie.



Cialis? We don't need no stinking Cialis. Currently banging this girl right now, found her off Seeking. Looks like Ms. Teen USA. She makes my dick like the mighty oak LOL.She looks outstanding. Great work!

[CoffeeLake1151]

Vitamin V.

The only Performance Enhancer I ever needed is an 19 yo blonde spinner fresh out of HS and now a college newbie.

Cialis? We don't need no stinking Cialis. Currently banging this girl right now, found her off Seeking. Looks like Ms. Teen USA. She makes my dick like the mighty oak LOL.Is Vitamin V exclusive only to you? Asking for a friend! 😜.

[Ace McNasty]

Is Vitamin V exclusive only to you? Asking for a friend! 😜.Yeah she is, good for me though. Extremely low mileage since she prob only has sex with 2-3 guys total, that I know of. Besides, you married mongers will have a nearly impossible mission to bang these college sorority type sugar babies from Seeking. They require a lot of time, money, effort, research, and patience commitment. It took me a while to finally creampie this girl. Benefits of being single I guess, with no ball and chain checking up on my finances and my devices LOL. I doubt your wives will loosen the leash enough to do M&G's before the actual FC dates. That is why most married mongers just go to AMP's. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

But if you married dudes just want to bang some young blonde blue eyed Barbie without all the hard work, there are plenty on Hx and PD. You can look up AlyviaRose, but she is based in SD. There's also SunkissedKayla, but she is based in SF. However, these 2 young blondes frequently visit the OC area.

Kayla just celebrated her 22nd birthday. These pics below were taken when she was barely 18 yo. After CIP I would not even give her a rest period. I would slide down and start licking her clit while admiring my semen oozing out of her pounded raw 18 yo pussy. After 5-10 minutes of post-coital DATY, my cock be hard as a rock again and ready for the next round. No lube required ha ha ha.

[PayPalMakesMon]

Yeah she is, good for me though. Extremely low mileage since she prob only has sex with 2-3 guys total, that I know of. Besides, you married mongers will have a nearly impossible mission to bang these college sorority type sugar babies from Seeking. They require a lot of time, money, effort, research, and patience commitment. It took me a while to finally creampie this girl. Benefits of being single I guess, with no ball and chain checking up on my finances and my devices LOL. I doubt your wives will loosen the leash enough to do M&G's before the actual FC dates. That is why most married mongers just go to AMP's. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

But if you married dudes just want to bang some young blonde blue eyed Barbie without all the hard work, there are plenty on Hx and PD. You can look up AlyviaRose, but she is based in SD. There's also SunkissedKayla, but she is based in SF. However, these 2 young blondes frequently visit the OC area.

Kayla just celebrated her 22nd birthday. These pics below were taken when she was barely 18 yo. After CIP I would not even give her a rest period. I would slide down and start licking her clit while admiring my semen oozing out of her pounded raw 18 yo pussy. After 5-10 minutes of post-coital DATY, my cock be hard as a rock again and ready for the next round. No lube required ha ha ha.No doubt about it. You are who I idolize! Your right. Having a young thing like that will fix any ED problems LOL! Thank you for all the pics and updates on this site brother! You are truely the goat!

[PinoyBBKing]

Vitamin V.

The only Performance Enhancer I ever needed is an 19 yo blonde spinner fresh out of HS and now a college newbie.

Cialis? We don't need no stinking Cialis. Currently banging this girl right now, found her off Seeking. Looks like Ms. Teen USA. She makes my dick like the mighty oak LOL.Man, sure b you are the best of among all of us here. Thanks for sharing Mr. MCnasty. Post some more.

[PinoyBBKing]

I really don't belong in this thread now but I been married before so I can offer a unique perspective. I watched an interview of one of my fav actors Tom Hardy. He played Venom and also Batman archenemy Bane. Anyway he said being alone is dangerous. If you can survive the first 2-3 months of loneliness, you will later realize how peaceful life is being alone, and you will never want to go back to being with someone again. So that has been my life now. Alone but not lonely. Been banging and giving creampies to the hottest 18-20 year old girls available without stress or guilt, and there simply is no way I can ever go back to being with just one woman again. So if I get married, the thirst will overpower me, then it means I have to cheat on her. And the way I monger, I will get caught in less than a week LOL.

I never mongered while I was married. Never even been to as much as a strip club. I was 100% faithful to my high school sweetheart. The most I ever did was watch porn online when she was out of the house. I guess in my 20's and 30's I was so focused on growing my business. But then life happened and we got divorced.

My first escort right after my divorce was a 23 yo black leather clad hottie in Cleveland. She looked like Pat Benatar. It was during a business trip. I lived in the Bay Area back then and there was a popular escort site called Redbook. I joined and my first girl there was a hot thin 22 yo redhead named Hope. She was as amazing in bed as she was gorgeous. Pics below. That site was like the HX of Northern CA, then it became defunct, and I found Hx later. Ten years later I think she still posts ads but she got a Mom bod now. I bet she replicated couple of times and they never really get back to that girlish figure after cloning. So yeah, will continue to bang as many hot girls I can find, and could never go back to civie dating or committed relationships again. Am basically Tom Hardy now.

Do any of you married mongers remember who your first escort was during marriage?Still married but Geographically single at that time and saw helena when she was still at her early 18's have to make a loan just to keep seeding that young Russian, blonde, cameron diaz looking teen.

[Ace McNasty]

Still married but Geographically single at that time and saw helena when she was still at her early 18's have to make a loan just to keep seeding that young Russian, blonde, cameron diaz looking teen.Oh hey welcome to the OC forums. I have seen your posts in your area. I just lurk over there but don't post because too many white knights and drama queens LOL.

Yeah very familiar with Helena. She is a natural brunette with some auburn tones but often dyes it blonde. She told me her bookings are slow with her dark hair but when she goes platinum, her phone blows up! Fucked her twice in 2018, first one in Seattle next one in Bellevue.

Funny story. I was in SEA for business and stayed at this downtown hotel, probably one of the most expensive hotels there. I typically request a high floor suite but this time I got a 2nd floor room. When I checked in I was glad I did, because it was facing the street and the room had an awesome view so great for people watching. I booked Helena and told me she was arriving by taxi cab, and when she said 5 minutes away, I stood by the window to check if I can see her arrival. Sure enough taxi parked right in front of my window and out comes this young Cameron Diaz blonde wearing a skin tight red mini skirt dress with long sleeves--no visible panty lines and no bras as her nips were quite prominent. There were about 40-50 business men in suits standing around and they were all gawking at her.

Pretty sure they knew she was a working girl, but the question in their minds was who the lucky douchebag in the hotel waiting for her LOL. She is 100% GFE and the menu is as open as your wallet is wide. Too bad she retired. Thanks for jogging my memory which resulted in me opening my Helena folder and looking at all the stuff I have on her.

[HapaBoy86]

Just as many married woman cheat on there husbands as well!

Have banged many married woman on my biz trips!

Looking forward to 2024 since I'll be back travelling for work more!

[DaveSC]

Just wondering if someone knew where a guy could go to have a little discreet fun while the wife gets a facial treatment?

In other words, a place that seems legit to her, but is 'standard' for this forum to him. Obviously, not a couples room. Two separate rooms.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

[Taws6]

Just wondering if someone knew where a guy could go to have a little discreet fun while the wife gets a facial treatment?

In other words, a place that seems legit to her, but is 'standard' for this forum to him. Obviously, not a couples room. Two separate rooms.

Thoughts? Suggestions?I've always kinda thought the choices were somewhat binary. Either they are or they aren't. No (or limited) middle ground.

Perhaps someone with better knowledge can chime in.

[Lift Her Up]

Married 25 years now. Started mongering about 15 years ago. She is not taking care of her body, and stopped makeup and dressing up for me in bed. (Going out still making up) . . . However, I do not regret getting married. Family is important to me, but my sex life is definitely lacking.I probably wrote the same thing here a couple of years ago, but I just feel like I need to say it again. Before marriage it was the best sex I'd ever had. It started to be withdrawn three months after we married. It gradually got less and less and by the eight year mark it turned into not times per week but years per time. Seven years later it stopped completely. Really sad. It's the male nightmare: Make a commitment and then have sex withdrawn. So much unlike the propogated story that marriage makes sex better for women.

I guess I'm in a bad mood this morning, just need to blow off some steam (or release something else pent up, ha-ha).

Lift Her Up.

P.S. And that's why I sign myself "Lift Her Up," these women who do this for us and so improve our lives should be held up and praised, not looked down on.

LHU.

[Dildo Baggens]

I can't agree more! You an I have been here for quite a while and it really irks me when I read some monger's mistreatment of these mostly nice ladies. Don't get me wrong, I've experienced some real frustration with providers, but those are exceptions and not the rule.

Thanks again for your contributions.

-Baggens.


I probably wrote the same thing here a couple of years ago, but I just feel like I need to say it again. Before marriage it was the best sex I'd ever had. It started to be withdrawn three months after we married. It gradually got less and less and by the eight year mark it turned into not times per week but years per time. Seven years later it stopped completely. Really sad. It's the male nightmare: Make a commitment and then have sex withdrawn. So much unlike the propogated story that marriage makes sex better for women.

I guess I'm in a bad mood this morning, just need to blow off some steam (or release something else pent up, ha-ha).

Lift Her Up.

P.S. And that's why I sign myself "Lift Her Up," these women who do this for us and so improve our lives should be held up and praised, not looked down on.

LHU.

[McNutties]

Just wondering if someone knew where a guy could go to have a little discreet fun while the wife gets a facial treatment?

In other words, a place that seems legit to her, but is 'standard' for this forum to him. Obviously, not a couples room. Two separate rooms.

Thoughts? Suggestions?This sounds like either an amazing time or shit is going to hit the fan very quick haha. BUT not to promote anyone. Krystals spa in Santa Ana might be a possiblity. Since some of the girls are actual CMTs you could set you wife up with one of them and make it clear when booking that the CMT needs to be in the scrubs that they normally wear. Then you have your own appt with whoever else. Your wife gets a true CMT massage and you have some fun. Maybe off chance that your wife opts for a HE who knows. Ha. But if your wife sees any other providers or them wandering to the shower in robes you going to be screwed really quick haha.

[FarFarAway]

I probably wrote the same thing here a couple of years ago, but I just feel like I need to say it again. Before marriage it was the best sex I'd ever had. It started to be withdrawn three months after we married. It gradually got less and less and by the eight year mark it turned into not times per week but years per time. Seven years later it stopped completely. Really sad. It's the male nightmare: Make a commitment and then have sex withdrawn. So much unlike the propogated story that marriage makes sex better for women.

I guess I'm in a bad mood this morning, just need to blow off some steam (or release something else pent up, ha-ha).

Lift Her Up.

P.S. And that's why I sign myself "Lift Her Up," these women who do this for us and so improve our lives should be held up and praised, not looked down on..Famous joke.

Why does the bride have such a big smile on her wedding day? Because she knows she has give her last blow job.

[Dog Rice]

Bro,

I think (really from my bottom of my heart) that your situation is better than mine. For you, no sex w / your wife now and you are actually more "free". For example, if I were you, I would have no problem getting BBBJ from working gals. If getting S T D, at least I don't need to deal w / the wife (because no sex w / her).


I probably wrote the same thing here a couple of years ago, but I just feel like I need to say it again. Before marriage it was the best sex I'd ever had. It started to be withdrawn three months after we married. It gradually got less and less and by the eight year mark it turned into not times per week but years per time. Seven years later it stopped completely. Really sad. It's the male nightmare: Make a commitment and then have sex withdrawn. So much unlike the propogated story that marriage makes sex better for women.

I guess I'm in a bad mood this morning, just need to blow off some steam (or release something else pent up, ha-ha).

Lift Her Up.

P.S. And that's why I sign myself "Lift Her Up," these women who do this for us and so improve our lives should be held up and praised, not looked down on.

LHU.

[SCJohn]

I probably wrote the same thing here a couple of years ago, but I just feel like I need to say it again. Before marriage it was the best sex I'd ever had. It started to be withdrawn three months after we married. It gradually got less and less and by the eight year mark it turned into not times per week but years per time. Seven years later it stopped completely. Really sad. It's the male nightmare: Make a commitment and then have sex withdrawn. So much unlike the propogated story that marriage makes sex better for women.

I guess I'm in a bad mood this morning, just need to blow off some steam (or release something else pent up, ha-ha).

Lift Her Up.

P.S. And that's why I sign myself "Lift Her Up," these women who do this for us and so improve our lives should be held up and praised, not looked down on.

LHU.Wife and I haven't been intimate for over 10 years. Only started hobbying when the well dried up. So I don't feel guilty. It's not like we're getting into relationships with any of them. It's really a transaction. And yes, the fact that I don't have to worry about bringing something home is a bit more freeing.

[FarFarAway]

I am likely older than most of you. Could retire. Been hitched 25, our sex life dropped a lot in the past few years. Several issues. SO poor health, harder to control weight post-menopause, and vj dryness issues make it / her just not as appealing. Sometimes some interest on her part, but I now am excusing myself w / a partly true statement that I 'just don't get aroused anymore'. That can be fixed though. Blue pills, or 20-somethings. I can't really do MP or escorts, it feels too fake, and I am all about 'real' in my life.

I learned about arrangements here 5-6 years ago, and have had a very enjoyable time on the seeking site. Likely 3 or 4 dozen SBs, three that were persistent relationships. From college students to MILFs. These experiences have done a world of good for me. Totally changed how I view myself as a man. I found a dominance many girls love in the bedroom. Too bad I can't run back the tape of my marriage, if I had realized this earlier, would likely have had more fun w / the warden. I believe way more now that there are girls out there totally excited to let me (who in the mirror is definitely not George Clooney) bang them. Young, beautiful. Who knew?

What do most guys want that brings us here? We want a girl who really wants to have sex w / us and enjoys it. It is likely tough to get that after a long time, decades, with the same person. It just isn't human nature. However, a hot 19 year old does a lot for the libido. There's something very very special about that young pussy, literally, it is perhaps much more elastic than the gals I had before and since marriage.

[RealSexyPanda]

How are you going about BBBJs?

Do you get them? Make them CBJs? Avoid them?

Ran into a friend of mine who shocked me with divorce news recently. He caught gonorrhea a while back and passed it to the wife.

Had to admit to her after he tested positive. They postponed the divorce until the oldest graduated high school but I only found out recently.

This now sticks in my mind everytime I have to decline BBBJ.

[FreeWally]

How are you going about BBBJs?

Do you get them? Make them CBJs? Avoid them?

Ran into a friend of mine who shocked me with divorce news recently. He caught gonorrhea a while back and passed it to the wife.

Had to admit to her after he tested positive. They postponed the divorce until the oldest graduated high school but I only found out recently.

This now sticks in my mind everytime I have to decline BBBJ.This may be an unconventional route, but you can just not have sex with the wife for months and years, and get treated before going back (make sure to complete the full course). If that's what's at stake, get treated even if you don't test positive (since false negatives for men are common). Regarding BBBJ.

Or, if the stakes are too high, just don't. Make the decision that's best for you.

[Dog Rice]

Interesting. Sorry for my ignorance w. Are. T the treatment. Is the treatment involving antibiotics? So, taking antibiotics after BBBJ? How does the pre-treatment work?


This may be an unconventional route, but you can just not have sex with the wife for months and years, and get treated before going back (make sure to complete the full course). If that's what's at stake, get treated even if you don't test positive (since false negatives for men are common). Regarding BBBJ.

Or, if the stakes are too high, just don't. Make the decision that's best for you.

[JohnxHide]

Who would you guys recommend?

[FarFarAway]

Who would you guys recommend?It is tough to get if you want to keep the fact you have it secret from the warden. There seem to be some OTC products that clearly have it in them, though. Look at the specific threads on here for Viagra, etc, or ED Meds (in the LA group). One that has been discussed lately is Rhino 14000, supposedly available at 7-11. You can try it out beforehand by yourself, see if it has the desired effect for you.

The Viagra thread is filled w / ways to get it without seeing your family doctor.

[Rook6642]

Thanks for the thread. Just saw it. I travel to Cali enough to check the boards.

Been married for 9 years and together for 11. Sex started off as the best I've ever had at that point. It was PSE with the now wife. I remember she was the first to be able DT me and FF herself.

We did it a lot. Rimming, marathon sessions, video recording, sex in public places, work, bathrooms, changing rooms. Daily sex. It all went downhill about 6 months into the marriage. Seriously!

Now its once a month. Maybe. HJs count towards the once a month. But I realized that if I hold off she will blow me. Still has the same technique. Probably doing it just to get it over quickly. Just like a working girl LOL. When we do, its two positions, mish and doggy.

I still love her, but our sex life is non-existent. I usually just hobby when traveling. I do travel to Vegas for work. Last year was once a quarter mixed in with personal trips. I was in Vegas 5 or 6 times last year. I think. This year I already have 4 trips planned. 2 for work and 2 for pleasure. Before June. 1 of the trips will be Cali. Already planning to be driving to sawtelle.

But it is getting harder to hold off at home. She still works remotely. But along with my trips she has to go out of town real soon. So it will time to play.

I usually look for service queens as they say. Trying to recreate the beginning relationship sex. I've done BBFS one time a k-girl. Got caught in the heat of passions and just went for it. Got tested and nothing.

I also found out a friend of mine who was in the similar situation but worst off, was having sex once a year. He started to use AMPs. Heck he even did it when they were in Vegas and she was asleep. They are no longer together.

Thanks that was therapeutic.

[FreeWally]

Interesting. Sorry for my ignorance w. Are. T the treatment. Is the treatment involving antibiotics? So, taking antibiotics after BBBJ? How does the pre-treatment work?Antibiotic treatment for the common STDs. 20 years ago I had asymptomatic chlamydia, only found out years later by passing it to next gfs. So I now make it a habit to get tested and treated anyways after switching partners (or in this case quitting P4 P for years). It will only cover things that can be treated by antibiotics, which are the most common except for herpes.

There is Prep you can take if you plan to BB, to protect you from HIV. I believe it is basically antivirals for HIV that will prevent the infection in the first place when used right.

The only other viral worth mentioning is all the versions of HPV. Get the Gardasil vaccine if you can. It prevents genital warts and more importantly cancer causing strains of HPV .

[Dog Rice]

Thanks for the info.

I got 2 out of 3 shots of HPV vaccine before COVID. The last shot. I tried to finish it but CVS said I am past 48 yrs old and not eligible to take it despite I am paying out of my pocket. Not sure how I would finish the last shot.

I am not into BB except I really want to open up to BBBJ from CBJ. CBJ has been okay for me but with aging, CBJ is not cutting it. But everything I was ready to open up to BBBJ, just got chicken out from STDs. Argh!


Antibiotic treatment for the common STDs. 20 years ago I had asymptomatic chlamydia, only found out years later by passing it to next gfs. So I now make it a habit to get tested and treated anyways after switching partners (or in this case quitting P4 P for years). It will only cover things that can be treated by antibiotics, which are the most common except for herpes.

There is Prep you can take if you plan to BB, to protect you from HIV. I believe it is basically antivirals for HIV that will prevent the infection in the first place when used right.

The only other viral worth mentioning is all the versions of HPV. Get the Gardasil vaccine if you can. It prevents genital warts and more importantly cancer causing strains of HPV .

[Oc Amper]

Thanks for the info.

I got 2 out of 3 shots of HPV vaccine before COVID. The last shot. I tried to finish it but CVS said I am past 48 yrs old and not eligible to take it despite I am paying out of my pocket. Not sure how I would finish the last shot.

I am not into BB except I really want to open up to BBBJ from CBJ. CBJ has been okay for me but with aging, CBJ is not cutting it. But everything I was ready to open up to BBBJ, just got chicken out from STDs. Argh!Think, you would go to somewhere other than CVS, and redo the paperwork, saying your within age guidelines.

[LabiaFedora]

Thanks for the info.

I got 2 out of 3 shots of HPV vaccine before COVID. The last shot. I tried to finish it but CVS said I am past 48 yrs old and not eligible to take it despite I am paying out of my pocket. Not sure how I would finish the last shot.

I am not into BB except I really want to open up to BBBJ from CBJ. CBJ has been okay for me but with aging, CBJ is not cutting it. But everything I was ready to open up to BBBJ, just got chicken out from STDs. Argh!Thats absurd. Current guidelines can recommend the shot if you are above age limits if its personal preference or even recommended by your doctor. I am sure they would have done it had you pushed for it. They do not need to know your high sexual activity but that is plenty reason to qualify someone for the shot.

[Mondo72]

Thanks for the info.

I got 2 out of 3 shots of HPV vaccine before COVID. The last shot. I tried to finish it but CVS said I am past 48 yrs old and not eligible to take it despite I am paying out of my pocket. Not sure how I would finish the last shot.

I am not into BB except I really want to open up to BBBJ from CBJ. CBJ has been okay for me but with aging, CBJ is not cutting it. But everything I was ready to open up to BBBJ, just got chicken out from STDs. Argh!Maybe you can try out these covers (link below). I'm in the BBBF bandwagon but every once in a while have to bite the bullet, cause of the hotness of one gal or another, then I have to cover up. A friend who mongers on the side (he's married) tried it and told me he thought he's doing it bare.

What is special in Durex Invisible?

Durex Invisible is India's Thinnest Condom based upon thickness testing conducted. Data on file. The condoms also smell better which helps avoid unpleasant distractions and you can relax and enjoy to the fullest. Each Durex condom is dermatologically tested to ensure strength and a high level of protection.

The previous paragraph is from the manufacturers website.

Mondo.

[TheLazyPeon]

Antibiotic treatment for the common STDs. 20 years ago I had asymptomatic chlamydia, only found out years later by passing it to next gfs. So I now make it a habit to get tested and treated anyways after switching partners (or in this case quitting P4 P for years). It will only cover things that can be treated by antibiotics, which are the most common except for herpes.

There is Prep you can take if you plan to BB, to protect you from HIV. I believe it is basically antivirals for HIV that will prevent the infection in the first place when used right.

The only other viral worth mentioning is all the versions of HPV. Get the Gardasil vaccine if you can. It prevents genital warts and more importantly cancer causing strains of HPV .Whats the easiest way to get Gardasil on the DL without having to create a paper trail? I feel like anything with a vaccine is a smart choice but not sure how to go about getting it.

[Chulgoon]

Thanks for the thread. Just saw it. I travel to Cali enough to check the boards.

Been married for 9 years and together for 11. Sex started off as the best I've ever had at that point. It was PSE with the now wife. I remember she was the first to be able DT me and FF herself.

We did it a lot. Rimming, marathon sessions, video recording, sex in public places, work, bathrooms, changing rooms. Daily sex. It all went downhill about 6 months into the marriage. Seriously!

Now its once a month. Maybe. HJs count towards the once a month. But I realized that if I hold off she will blow me. Still has the same technique. Probably doing it just to get it over quickly. Just like a working girl LOL. When we do, its two positions, mish and doggy.

I still love her, but our sex life is non-existent. I usually just hobby when traveling. I do travel to Vegas for work. Last year was once a quarter mixed in with personal trips. I was in Vegas 5 or 6 times last year. I think. This year I already have 4 trips planned. 2 for work and 2 for pleasure. Before June. 1 of the trips will be Cali. Already planning to be driving to sawtelle.

But it is getting harder to hold off at home. She still works remotely. But along with my trips she has to go out of town real soon. So it will time to play.

I usually look for service queens as they say. Trying to recreate the beginning relationship sex. I've done BBFS one time a k-girl. Got caught in the heat of passions and just went for it. Got tested and nothing.

I also found out a friend of mine who was in the similar situation but worst off, was having sex once a year. He started to use AMPs. Heck he even did it when they were in Vegas and she was asleep. They are no longer together.

Thanks that was therapeutic.Maybe group for wife who have sex hunger husband Thanks for story side.

[JasonVee]

Maybe you can try out these covers (link below). I'm in the BBBF bandwagon but every once in a while have to bite the bullet, cause of the hotness of one gal or another, then I have to cover up. A friend who mongers on the side (he's married) tried it and told me he thought he's doing it bare.

What is special in Durex Invisible?

Durex Invisible is India's Thinnest Condom based upon thickness testing conducted. Data on file. The condoms also smell better which helps avoid unpleasant distractions and you can relax and enjoy to the fullest. Each Durex condom is dermatologically tested to ensure strength and a high level of protection.

The previous paragraph is from the manufacturers website.

Mondo.Durex is too thick for me. I use the sagami 001 which is still the thinnest in the world. Not as good as no condom and it's pretty pricey but it's worth.

Bareback is +$100 plus copay to get a script of doxycycline plus actual doxy cost is way more than the condom cost LOL.

[IslaVista]

I just told my primary that we want to try for a kid and need a little help in that area. He put me on the V with refills, no question asked.


Who would you guys recommend?

[IslaVista]

Any side effects from gardasil? What's the regiment.


Thanks for the info.

I got 2 out of 3 shots of HPV vaccine before COVID. The last shot. I tried to finish it but CVS said I am past 48 yrs old and not eligible to take it despite I am paying out of my pocket. Not sure how I would finish the last shot.

I am not into BB except I really want to open up to BBBJ from CBJ. CBJ has been okay for me but with aging, CBJ is not cutting it. But everything I was ready to open up to BBBJ, just got chicken out from STDs. Argh!

[FreeWally]

Any side effects from gardasil? What's the regiment.I had no side effects other than the injection spot, and it is 3 shots for ages 15-45. Every 10th kgirl I've seen, she has a genital wart that would have been covered by this (but this was mostly before Gardasil existed, hope that changes now).

From my understanding, Gardasil covers every possible strain tied to warts. More importantly, it covers strains related to cervical, vaginal, neck, and penile cancer. Cervical cancer is the most common problem, and 99% of those cases are from HPV.

[Dog Rice]

I tried again w / CVS insisting that I want my last shot of HPV. They are willing to give it to me, but the system (CDC) does not allow them to register because I am outside of the age limit (provided by CDC).

Does not matter I am paying out of my pocket or not. Anyone has suggestion on Pharmacy with less restriction like CVS?


Thats absurd. Current guidelines can recommend the shot if you are above age limits if its personal preference or even recommended by your doctor. I am sure they would have done it had you pushed for it. They do not need to know your high sexual activity but that is plenty reason to qualify someone for the shot.

[MacNCheese]

I tried again w / CVS insisting that I want my last shot of HPV. They are willing to give it to me, but the system (CDC) does not allow them to register because I am outside of the age limit (provided by CDC).

Does not matter I am paying out of my pocket or not.If you want to pay out of pocket anyways, why not just go to a different location and give them fake info so you appear 45 yo or less. If you aren't using insurance then shouldn't matter that your info is wrong.

[Big Zhang Mang]

Have you tried switching to. 001 mm rubbers? I bought a bunch of Sagami and Okamoto. 001 condoms and they changed the game for me.


Thanks for the info.

I got 2 out of 3 shots of HPV vaccine before COVID. The last shot. I tried to finish it but CVS said I am past 48 yrs old and not eligible to take it despite I am paying out of my pocket. Not sure how I would finish the last shot.

I am not into BB except I really want to open up to BBBJ from CBJ. CBJ has been okay for me but with aging, CBJ is not cutting it. But everything I was ready to open up to BBBJ, just got chicken out from STDs. Argh!

[Domelike2020]

If you want to pay out of pocket anyways, why not just go to a different location and give them fake info so you appear 45 yo or less. If you aren't using insurance then shouldn't matter that your info is wrong.If anyone has info on how to get the vaccination for folks over 45 please share. I'm willing to pay out of pocket.

[CryMoarHoar]

What's the best clinical place to check if you are clean?

I want everything online and definitely do not want them to mail me anything.

Like one and done place. Used to have BBFS with k-providers last year. And always BBBJ.

Can't tell if I have balanitis or something more serious. Want to check for peace of mind.

[Ck2001]

What's the best clinical place to check if you are clean?

I want everything online and definitely do not want them to mail me anything.

Like one and done place. Used to have BBFS with k-providers last year. And always BBBJ.

Can't tell if I have balanitis or something more serious. Want to check for peace of mind.I have used stdcheck.com. Something like $139, you can get a full test panel done. Pay with a prepaid credit card if you like. No need to give your real name or contact info. They will send you a form, just print that out and take it in to Quest or Labcorp, no need to show I'd or insurance there. They do the blood draw and pee in a cup, you're on your way and get results online within a couple of days. Definitely easy and anonymous and good for peace of mind.

Stay safe out there.

[CamsV]

I have used stdcheck.com. Something like $139, you can get a full test panel done. Pay with a prepaid credit card if you like. No need to give your real name or contact info. They will send you a form, just print that out and take it in to Quest or Labcorp, no need to show I'd or insurance there. They do the blood draw and pee in a cup, you're on your way and get results online within a couple of days. Definitely easy and anonymous and good for peace of mind.

Stay safe out there.Awesome thanks, if anyone has better suggestions, that'd be great to know.

[Domelike2020]

Awesome thanks, if anyone has better suggestions, that'd be great to know.I used healthlabs years ago and it was anonymous. I paid with BTC. IIRC they send you a code and a you go to a lab from their list. Punch in the code on a tablet to check in and enter bogus personal information. As long as you don't see anyone you know during your visit it's anonymous.

No mail or follow up since I entered bogus information during check in.

[Dog Rice]

I tried, but CVS and RitAid will not go w / o seeing my I'd.


If you want to pay out of pocket anyways, why not just go to a different location and give them fake info so you appear 45 yo or less. If you aren't using insurance then shouldn't matter that your info is wrong.

[LabiaFedora]

I tried again w / CVS insisting that I want my last shot of HPV. They are willing to give it to me, but the system (CDC) does not allow them to register because I am outside of the age limit (provided by CDC).

Does not matter I am paying out of my pocket or not. Anyone has suggestion on Pharmacy with less restriction like CVS?How long was it between shots 1 and 2?

Sorry you have to go through this. I have not heard of that. Your clinician should be able to override this, I would have CVS contact them if at all possible but difficult to keep discretion. Especially if you are paying cash then I feel like patient autonomy should have full legitimacy.

[MacNCheese]

I tried, but CVS and RitAid will not go w / o seeing my I'd.Try a smaller independent pharmacy. They're always looking the other way if it means getting more business. If they ask for ID, say your wallet was recently stolen or something and you're waiting on a replacement. If they question why you have no record in the California immunization registry, tell them you moved from out of state last year or something since their records only show shots given in CA. If they keep pushing, tell them okay you'll be back later then and just go on to a different pharmacy. You'll get a bite sooner or later.

[James D 2004]

Total financial disclosure. Cheap stripper dances won't make it.

[Dog Rice]

This sucks. Very stressful. Had experienced the "busted".


My hardware bag was momentarily inside the house while I ran errands. It was discovered. I'm a new gynecodentist. I can explain that everything is for self pleasure, the finger condoms, the prescriptions, wipes. Hard to explain is the dental dam which has a on the package a masked woman with the dam on her pussy. The most difficult is the bad breath mouth rinse. I come up with visiting strippers. Thats the cheapest. That's my 2nd time after many years. Hopefully this thing shall pass. The consequence is I really have to do it myself for the foreseeable future. I have so many plans! Wish me luck.

[Citrus1999]

My hardware bag was momentarily inside the house while I ran errands. It was discovered. I'm a new gynecodentist. I can explain that everything is for self pleasure, the finger condoms, the prescriptions, wipes. Hard to explain is the dental dam which has a on the package a masked woman with the dam on her pussy. The most difficult is the bad breath mouth rinse. I come up with visiting strippers. Thats the cheapest. That's my 2nd time after many years. Hopefully this thing shall pass. The consequence is I really have to do it myself for the foreseeable future. I have so many plans! Wish me luck.I have a ccw. I have several safes / carry bags with combo locks. My family knows not to go near those. I leave all my "stuff" in one of the bags, locked. I can leave it anywhere in the car / house and know that it'll never get bothered.

[James D 2004]

I have a ccw. I have several safes / carry bags with combo locks. My family knows not to go near those. I leave all my "stuff" in one of the bags, locked. I can leave it anywhere in the car / house and know that it'll never get bothered.I have no reason to carry a locked box around. Perhaps make it like an OEM storage box that is always there. I also used hidden compartments but NEXT time I will lock them too. I also lock the car. But I was just bring.

In a shopping bag in for resupplying and cleaning. BTW I threw the rest my equipment out of the car like two portable studio lights and telescopic stands. In this life or the next.

[Taws6]

I have no reason to carry a locked box around. Perhaps make it like an OEM storage box that is always there. I also used hidden compartments but NEXT time I will lock them too. I also lock the car. But I was just bring.

In a shopping bag in for resupplying and cleaning. BTW I threw the rest my equipment out of the car like two portable studio lights and telescopic stands. In this life or the next.Do I read this right? You bring studio lights & tripods to sessions. Obviously to record. And you left your other bag inside?

Wow, hey, more power to you, but with all that shit, seems to me you need to find a storage solution that's unique as you are.

Most guys I would think just need to hide a burner phone, which I see here from time to time people forget & get THAT discovered, you've raised it to a while new level!

What other kind of shit do you bring? No, I'm not volunteering to be your squire, just mildly impressed.

[James D 2004]

Do I read this right? You bring studio lights & tripods to sessions. Obviously to record. And you left your other bag inside?

Wow, hey, more power to you, but with all that shit, seems to me you need to find a storage solution that's unique as you are.

Most guys I would think just need to hide a burner phone, which I see here from time to time people forget & get THAT discovered, you've raised it to a while new level!

What other kind of shit do you bring? No, I'm not volunteering to be your squire, just mildly impressed.What can you do paying for a video section? 3 cameras, 3 stands, 2 lights, extension cord and chargers. Nothing heavy. The main camera is palm sized with mechanical zoom lense. One phone on the opposite side of the camera. The other phone hand held for close up, if not on a small stand on the nightstand. The led lights are very light, a bit bigger than the hand. The stands are full height but light because they don't to support anything heavy. Everything can be fit in an office bag. Other than the small camera, they don't look like much equipment.

I learned the hard way if there is bright light from the windows or even lamp, there is only a narrow angle that gives you good imagery. With lights that you can move, there's no limit. I just lock everything in the car and throw away the key. Can't have any visible locks that invite inspection.

[RealSexyPanda]

Awesome thanks, if anyone has better suggestions, that'd be great to know.Have used the same. The results are emailed within a couple days, so use a burner email. They will send you several emails including promotional marketing stuff.

[FreeWally]

I learned the hard way if there is bright light from the windows or even lamp, there is only a narrow angle that gives you good imagery. With lights that you can move, there's no limit. I just lock everything in the car and throw away the key. Can't have any visible locks that invite inspection.Lighting is really important. That said, I just have the girl turn the lights on and use a gopro. I know what the difference is, but I do not want the liability of carrying equipment around and storing it. The less things the better. Obviously the video gets deleted off the gopro after transfer. Don't forget to do that soon.

Have as few things involved as possible. Keep your security as simple as possible and make some sacrifices.

[BSouthgate]

What can you do paying for a video section? 3 cameras, 3 stands, 2 lights, extension cord and chargers. Nothing heavy. The main camera is palm sized with mechanical zoom lense. One phone on the opposite side of the camera. The other phone hand held for close up, if not on a small stand on the nightstand. The led lights are very light, a bit bigger than the hand. The stands are full height but light because they don't to support anything heavy. Everything can be fit in an office bag. Other than the small camera, they don't look like much equipment.

I learned the hard way if there is bright light from the windows or even lamp, there is only a narrow angle that gives you good imagery. With lights that you can move, there's no limit. I just lock everything in the car and throw away the key. Can't have any visible locks that invite inspection.Sounds awkward. Your partner will be so aware of the cameras and lights. Can she get horny that way?

[LilBuddyGillig]

Great thread, lots of opinion and situations discussed that I can relate to.

I'm at a pivotal point in my 'mongering career' where I want to give it up but not sure I can. Uncertain if I am wired for monogamy. I love my wife of 11 years and we still have a great sex life considering she is close to 50. We try once a week, she is an active participant and genuinely enjoys the intimacy. Would probably be more often but I'm not as enticed when I'm seeing 1-2 providers a week. I've put her through hell after she found out about a year long affair I was having years ago. That was the only civi I partook in. It almost destroyed us but somehow she gave me another chance and thousands of dollars spent in therapy. I've only seen pros since.

For me, mongering is more than just pussy. I don't seek companionship from them. I don't need conversation. It's a control issue knowing I can 'buy' them to perform for my pleasure. Probably some sick and thwarted manifestation from the relation I had with my mother. I don't give a shit whether it was good for them. I don't want to connect with them. I'm a sick puppy. I pay to leave. I enjoy seeing how much I can make them do for me, how much I can get away with, knowing this is a business transaction and I'm the consumer.

I have very little control when presented with BBFS opportunity. It's a rush for me. BBBJ is a requirement. I get tested and miraculously haven't caught anything. YET. Playing Russian roulette and the odds are by far not in my favor at this point in the game. It is depleting trying to keep up living this 'secret life. ' Linking of devices, shared data, second phones, private browsers, tracking, etc. I've got a good system in place that has worked for many years despite a keen wife. Between Google and Apple, technology is not in a mongers favor. Need separate hobby phone and computer.

I'm beginning to not feel as invincible. One mistake, one slip up, and I'll lose her for good. It's a miracle she stuck with me until now. For so long I felt ambivalent to the situation. I felt I needed the variety in my life and different sexual experiences, that it was purely a physical need of mine that she would never be able to comprehend and so I kept it from her. I would never divulge my true sexual history, it would only traumatize my wife.

Not sure where I'm going with this, but with the waning invincibility and the surge of negative feelings (shame, guilt, remorse) perhaps just realizing it's time for change. I was callous to my risky behaviors, jeopardizing her health out of my own selfish pursuits. The shame isn't that I wasn't monogamous or anything towards those that pursue this hobby, it's how reckless I have been toward her well being. She deserves more. She deserves better. Maybe it's time to place her as my priority.

Beneath it all, my fear is I may be too far gone to be able to return to monogamy.

[BSouthgate]

Great thread, lots of opinion and situations discussed that I can relate to.

I'm at a pivotal point in my 'mongering career' where I want to give it up but not sure I can. Uncertain if I am wired for monogamy. I love my wife of 11 years and we still have a great sex life considering she is close to 50. We try once a week, she is an active participant and genuinely enjoys the intimacy. Would probably be more often but I'm not as enticed when I'm seeing 1-2 providers a week. I've put her through hell after she found out about a year long affair I was having years ago. That was the only civi I partook in. It almost destroyed us but somehow she gave me another chance and thousands of dollars spent in therapy. I've only seen pros since..Your mind is not sick. You are normal. We all have different tendencies toward polyamory. It is like being 0%, 20%, 50%, or 100% gay. All normal and natural. It makes no sense to do conversion therapy for gayness as it makes no sense for polyamory.

Your problem is your dishonesty with your wife and your guilt. You got trapped in a relationship with your wife and found out that it did not work when you "cheated" with another woman. Your wife found out. She could not understand or accept, and you stopped your outside relationship, but you could not stop thinking about sex with other women.

This advice may be hard to accept, but I recommend you stop having sex with your wife. By having sex with her, you are endangering her health, and you are being more dishonest and accumulating more guilt. She may seek other men. If so, do not discourage her. On the contrary, encourage her to find partners, swingers, etc. Best if you both can find other singles, couples, groups together. Might it lead to divorce? Perhaps. But if so, the error was the initial long-term commitment to monogamy, a road you could not travel. In the meantime, do not ever tell her about your escort and massage adventures. Enjoy them discreetly.

[FreeWally]

Great thread, lots of opinion and situations discussed that I can relate to.

Beneath it all, my fear is I may be too far gone to be able to return to monogamy.What you want is on the spectrum of normal, maybe you want it more than most men but it's nothing unusual. I want the exact same things. Human history shows most civilizations catered to the exact desires you just described.

There is a book called 'My Secret Life', published in 1888. It is a unique book, a memoir by someone who lived his entire life in pursuit of pussy. Decades of adventures. He was an English gentleman so there was the conflict of polite society and expectations, versus his true life in the nonstop pursuit of sex. It will not help you stop mongering, but it can give comfort that your desires are quite timeless and even tame. I enjoyed reading it enough that I didn't monger during it, maybe I'm unusual but I tend to focus on just one thing at a time.

Maybe some of my experiences can help. I found it is hard to quit just by forcing myself to. I had no trouble quitting when I lost interest for a while, moving on to something else like strippers or porn. Even occasionally gaming. So I proved to myself it was possible, but found it harder to just quit because I wanted to. Journaling on the computer helped but was a long process. Over time by comparing with journals, I saw that even though I still enjoyed things very much, it was a fraction of my enjoyment years ago. Sometimes a new thing like filming jgirls came up, that I hadn't tried before. It was a temporary boost that delayed my quitting. I found the easiest way to quit is to soft quit, to take a short break that becomes longer and longer as you do other things you truly like. I never stopped using porn, and I suppose I am lucky that I can be satisfied with it for that long. And while mongering I can't really use porn much (they just don't mix since you can't perform), so in a way I am always choosing.

When it is time to quit, best not to think of it as quitting. It can be stressful. You think you can't quit even when trying to quit, and my point is even if that were true, in my case that ended up being 3 years at times. I couldn't have predicted it. I think it is easier to do this when you don't think of it as black and white of quitting versus not quitting. There comes a point when you are sick of it, and want to focus on something more important in your life. So just do it, starting any time. Be free.

[BSouthgate]

What you want is on the spectrum of normal, maybe you want it more than most men but it's nothing unusual. I want the exact same things. Human history shows most civilizations catered to the exact desires you just described.

There is a book called 'My Secret Life', published in 1888. It is a unique book, a memoir by someone who lived his entire life in pursuit of pussy. Decades of adventures. He was an English gentleman so there was the conflict of polite society and expectations, versus his true life in the nonstop pursuit of sex. It will not help you stop mongering, but it can give comfort that your desires are quite timeless and even tame. I enjoyed reading it enough that I didn't monger during it, maybe I'm unusual but I tend to focus on just one thing at a time.

Maybe some of my experiences can help. I found it is hard to quit just by forcing myself to. I had no trouble quitting when I lost interest for a while, moving on to something else like strippers or porn. Even occasionally gaming. So I proved to myself it was possible, but found it harder to just quit because I wanted to. Journaling on the computer helped but was a long process. Over time by comparing with journals, I saw that even though I still enjoyed things very much, it was a fraction of my enjoyment years ago. Sometimes a new thing like filming jgirls came up, that I hadn't tried before. It was a temporary boost that delayed my quitting. I found the easiest way to quit is to soft quit, to take a short break that becomes longer and longer as you do other things you truly like. I never stopped using porn, and I suppose I am lucky that I can be satisfied with it for that long. And while mongering I can't really use porn much (they just don't mix since you can't perform), so in a way I am always choosing.

When it is time to quit, best not to think of it as quitting. It can be stressful. You think you can't quit even when trying to quit, and my point is even if that were true, in my case that ended up being 3 years at times. I couldn't have predicted it. I think it is easier to do this when you don't think of it as black and white of quitting versus not quitting. There comes a point when you are sick of it, and want to focus on something more important in your life. So just do it, starting any time. Be free.Thanks Wally. I just ordered the book.

[KathmanDouche]

You know in the animal world, when a male is a stud and breeding, he will get severely depressed if there are not at least 3 pussies to deposit in regularly. We are animals. Meant to breed. It really is your choice. Deposit loads or be depressed and anxious.

[BSouthgate]

You know in the animal world, when a male is a stud and breeding, he will get severely depressed if there are not at least 3 pussies to deposit in regularly. We are animals. Meant to breed. It really is your choice. Deposit loads or be depressed and anxious.Kathman is correct that men with multiple sex partners suffer less from depression and anxiety. This is true also for women.

Humans are animals, but they are complex animals. They have created societies and cultures with laws, rules, norms, and customs regulating and controlling sexual behavior. Sometimes, this is good because it protects children from abandonment and poverty. But with prosperity and longevity beyond childbearing age, it becomes harmful and leads to depression, anxiety, and conflict.

Imagine a society where, once children had matured and left the nest, parents were completely free to share love, including sexual love with other men, women and couples. What a wonderful world that would be.

[Marcath]

I'm seeing 1-2 providers a week.Holy crap man, how much a month do you spend on pussy? Guess I would too if I had the funds available.

[Rook6642]

You know in the animal world, when a male is a stud and breeding, he will get severely depressed if there are not at least 3 pussies to deposit in regularly. We are animals. Meant to breed. It really is your choice. Deposit loads or be depressed and anxious.Interesting. I never considered myself a BBFS guy I've had it in the past. Just once. Went to Vegas and was so attracted to the girl I was seeing I didn't mind that she let me stick it raw.

Let me tell you going CIP was a whole different level of orgasm. Just the feeling was overwhelming.

I don't get the same feeling with CFS.

Seeing working girls stops me asking the S / O for sex when she clearly isn't interested in it. It stops a fight, I'm still attracted to her so me flirting and being handsy is still a thing.

[James D 2004]

For being a perfect role model. You have multiple bankruptcies. So do I. You have a beautiful wife but you like to pay pornstars. Me too. You like to peek at nude teens but we do better, CIM too. We all like to grab pussies but you are famous for it. We don't do rape, looking like saints compared to you. You are supposed to be a religious man but do you think you can go to heaven with all those baggage? We shall meet you there! Maybe I should vote for you for the first time. How about promising me not to do something?

Don't touch the nuke button.

Let us vote again.

Don't start any trade war making everything expensive.

[James D 2004]

Holy crap man, how much a month do you spend on pussy? Guess I would too if I had the funds available.Just reached 5 figures before May. More than double that last year, not really that active at the beginning.

That was the traceable amount after audit. I exhausted the untraceable sources and what can I do? I became sloppy. I was hopping after a year or two the traceable amounts become untraceable. And actually it always did. Or I am in much bigger trouble.

I am accused of having a sugar baby who sucked all my money. I wish. I usually limit to HX girls an hour a week. But at the end I got another 3 girls who would call me almost every week. Plus 2 C-houses.

The one I'm most fond of spending the least still checks on me. She does all 3 holes each time all covered. For her I became a gynecodentist. The other one we met at HX and she went back. There's no reason to pay more and travel far to her home. It's hilarious when she wore pajamas with hoodie on eating a cup of instant noodles walking a block to get into my car.

For the C-houses, I still haven't tried the $300 half hr ones. For new patrons or new houses they will try hard to please you. The 1st 19 year old is a dog. I told them so after the deed. The 2nd one looks like a JAV star, in uniform as if the HX pictures are all real. At $140 she's a bit cold and pussy a little loose for her age. But a lot of fun after slipping her a $20 bill. The next one is totally different. At 19 I won't look at her on the streets. But I couldn't stop looking at her chest. She is someone you will hire to feed your babies or yourself. When I thought I was doing it too much and hesitated, she grabbed my hand and put it in her tit. Then I got crazy at it again.

[DaiTheFlu]

Recently had first experience with a K-girl with everything covered. I tested negative for everything that can be tested but worry about what may show on SO's wellness exam. If it was covered and pretty quick and without much rubbing (like under two minutes), is this something I should worry about? Looking for advice from anyone with similar experience. Thanks!

[BSouthgate]

Recently had first experience with a K-girl with everything covered. I tested negative for everything that can be tested but worry about what may show on SO's wellness exam. If it was covered and pretty quick and without much rubbing (like under two minutes), is this something I should worry about? Looking for advice from anyone with similar experience. Thanks!I just came across your post and hope you are still listening.

I am 80 years old and have been mongering for 50. I had been married to a woman who first had a hint of my mongering when she was told by her gynecologist that she had an HPV infection. From there, it was all an 8-year road downhill until our divorce.

I could not change my life, and she could not change hers or accept mine. My dishonesty was responsible for her infection—fortunately, there were no severe consequences. My guilt remains.

There are two solutions to this dilemma.

You will likely go with another K girl, with a C girl, or with another angel of the night. That is because you are who you are.

1. Do not be dishonest with yourself. You are polyamorous. Despite all the bullshit therapists, conversion is not possible. No more feasible than if you were gay.

2. With your wife, you must decide among two options. Either square with her and discuss your polyamory. If she wants to stay with you as a wife and a sex partner, that should be a decision you both make together. She may also be polyamorous and decide to have multiple partners. This is the best way out of your dilemma. I eventually tried it, and it led to divorce. Perhaps your fate will be different.

The other option is to stop having sex with your wife. She may or may not accept abstinence. Or she may find other lovers. She will eventually understand that you have other lovers and either accept this fact or leave.

There is no third option. You are who you are.

My end was a happy one. I found another woman partner who accepts my polyamory and loves me for who I am. Hope you find a happy ending.

[IslaVista]

Recently had first experience with a K-girl with everything covered. I tested negative for everything that can be tested but worry about what may show on SO's wellness exam. If it was covered and pretty quick and without much rubbing (like under two minutes), is this something I should worry about? Looking for advice from anyone with similar experience. Thanks!Pretty rare to catch anything if you got covered everything (CBJ, CFS, no camel sliding). Only thing is HPV and it's so pervasive that they only test the strains that can lead to cervical cancer. Herpes are pretty common too but doesn't really impact the body. For your SO wellness, something might show on her pap smear (HPV) and they'll do an std check if she has discharge. Someone posted earlier on adult HPV vaccine and I'm seriously considering taking it.

Some kgirl trying to tell me they are actually safer than civvie girls because she gets tested regularly, regularly cleans her cooch, she only does cfs and only lets her bf fuck her raw. She's more of an exception. Most kgirls now do BBFS and the ones that don't likely do at an unspecified price. Most kgirls also blow their money on name brand junk and parties, so they don't have the money to pay for proper testing or medication (there is no insurance in this profession). Then again, I know guys that's been doing BBFS civ for the last 10 years and nothing shows up on their std tests.

[James D 2004]

Everything returns to normal except that we don't sleep on the same bed, she watches every cent going out (but is incapable of), and I have to report when I'm going out even for errands. As a side effect, I do everything she asks for so she doesn't become suspicious, fixing and cleaning the house.

When my scars, due to repeated stabbing with fingernails, were healed, when I had enough secret money, I called my fav black girl who I picked up at Fig. She came to me and we were to do it at the back of my SUV in the parking structure of a huge shopping plaza in South OC. She was late for one and a half hours at least, coming from DTLA or Corona. It was postponed from morning to afternoon. When she got there she was sort of running out of minutes (phone), I didn't know exactly. She texted me e2. I rushed to Entry 2 but there was no such thing, only 1 and 3. Then I got a picture that she was at level 2. I drove around at level 2 but couldn't find her. Today I understand why she wasn't getting out of the car for me to see. I don't remember the last time I saw a black girl here and an attractive girl wearing nothing more than underwear is gold dust. I had no time to spare without inviting suspicion so I bailed. She was mad but I couldn't afford not to pick up my kids who would tell on me. But I compensated for her time. Afterward, it dawned on me she was telling me she was in aisle E, level 2. But there is no aisle E on that level. There is another parking structure with aisle E but it's not near the freeway exit and the signs are different than in her pictures although I couldn't rule out the possibility.

Worse, I received her text while I was starting to black out my car. My wallet fell out of my pocket. It is still lost and I had to go to the DMV in person to get my license replaced.

I got lucky when I received something called an escrow refund. I think my mortgage change hands into another subsidiary. A little money remains in the escrow and we need a fresh start for the new subsidiary. So I called Katie again. And I created a big DIY mess so I could go out to research in the hardware stores and get parts.

She was almost late for an hour but that was OK. We met at the nearest Kohl's near me. There's not much Kohl's around so she wouldn't miss. She was amazing as usual. The top a little bigger than a bra, and a tiny pair of short pants. I would say her body beats most of the girls I dated on HX. If you look at the youtube videos on the street you will agree that it's easy. I like her thick lips, round nose, and big eyes. In contrast, some black girls are like white girls painted black. I picked her up in Hottie Gallary so I don't understand why she would travel that far for business. I think she's been there long enough to get enough trouble. The cops are not supposed to bother with them walking but I saw arrests on video. Most of all, many people prefer white girls.

So I began to blacken the windows with blackout sheets. They are DIY with attached magnets to hold onto the openings when I shut the door to secure them. It happened that I changed to smaller-sized magnets that weren't strong enough. It's not easy to position the sheets in place when I shut the door. I also missed a few pieces. But I brought a roll of black trash bags and tapes as a backup. We parked in the middle of a huge parking lot. There were plenty of cars but far away. Just our two cars. I don't know why but a woman parked near us. Maybe she attracts her attention, rare like gold dust, barely wearing anything, although not trashy as in Fig. I was careful but I don't know what she was thinking if she saw me blocking out the windows. Maybe we shouldn't parked together, suspicious of stealing the other car. So I drove near the library thinking that there's nobody there on 4th July. Before I could finish blocking out, a car parked behind us. Dad was taking her daughter to return her books to the big container outside. We waited until she came back but he didn't drive away. So we did.

We parked on a short street with plenty of trees without condos overlooking us. Nobody walks in the city and it's not a jogging route between condos. The last time I tried to park on the street was near Fig. It was impossible to find a parking space anywhere in the daytime. When I found a space, the girl I picked up refused to do it in the car because there would be people walking within inches of the window constantly. She didn't believe in my blackout tech. Actually, I have an airbed for quick deployment. I got an 8-inch thick one thinking that it would be more comfortable. It is but the backseat doesn't fold down that low so you have the feeling of being close to the ceiling and very exposed to the windows. The only other time I practiced blocking out the windows was in the metro parking lot near Fig. You have to be brave to leave your car there. There are not many people there, just a few normal cars parked at the entrance and a few blacked-out cars at the back, probably homeless. So I won't feel odd.

Once the light was blocked, I began sucking and fingering her. She was quite fresh probably coming from home as she said she did. The problem was I had trouble fingering her ass. I didn't think I was erect enough to insert it. I tried. I failed. My finger barely made it in. The foreplay was too long.

But anyway, it was nice to have sex with a pretty, accommodating woman. Not bad for celebrating the 4th of July. Now I am back finishing my demolition job to earn more brownie points.

[James D 2004]

Fandango founder J. Michael Cline jumped to his death. He was only 64. He had a big family and still had plenty of assets. Bed Bath & Beyond's chief financial officer, Gustavo Arnal, also jumped at 52. Jeffrey Epstein is alleged to have ended his life at 66. I don't believe it. But the point is, whatever they do leading to their ending, is it worth it?

In the past, when people stationed in Thailand or the Philippines became impotent in their 40's, there was not much to look forward to. With modern medicine, Jeffrey would have at least a few years of happy ending and I'm sure he would have looked forward to it every day, hoping somehow he could find a way out. The others are far from homeless.

Say whoever you fancy on OF, you can find a substitute on HX. If you cruise on Fig, there's so much to live for. So is it karma that you have to stop for all the bad things you did? What made you give up pretty nice things?

Just yesterday, I subscribed to a 19-year-old Brazilian on OF. Jerking off is only $20. I remembered our own Erica Clapton. You can say it's far away but I got the same reaction when I first met her. It was a bit late because she had been making big money for more than a year and was on her way out. I don't think she wants to but it's the number of bookings that drops the same way for all girls. I had to wait a few months to fuck her again, and a few months after that. I don't think she will be back. I regret not meeting her earlier because of her funny name and that there were only two or three pictures for every girl normally unless long-timers get a whole library as she does now. She is a not-too-flater and not the prettiest but I turned her into a kissing fish whenever I saw her. She is easygoing, submissive, and a good fuck. She saves anal for her boyfriend but lets me ramp her however I like from the front and back while reacting with a loud ah to my every thrust. I even love her black eye circles. Her health wasn't good lately and tried to deter me from DATY / O by peeing before coming to bed. I don't care. She could have just told me not to. The last time she came for a week. It's not advised to say that you retire but I could sense that. I fucked her twice and could have been 3 times if I found the time and money.

And there is my Katie who will never eat junk food. I had been obsessed with black girls before her but I can honestly say she is model material amongst all the HX girls I saw. I don't mind taking her home after a week in Fig. I don't mind doing the last left over because driving her is fun for she never wear anything more than a bra. And she has no other choices other than Uber. I hated her once because she was wearing the sexiest bright red bikini, walking from her room to the office and back many times as if she owned the place doing some business all at once. I don't care if she has a guy in the room, I need to fuck. She may be sub renting rooms to other girls or waiting another girl to take over her room to save money. I really hated her, not the first time but not so sexy. When she didn't respond I left. I can't get to her 3 holes without cover but I'm happy with her GFE. I can kiss and lick her bare anywhere, hugging and cuddling no problem just not too long. I can finger her holes bare and anal is always included. She wouldn't do pussy only because she doesn't take only $100 from me.

It was fun going shopping with her in South Central wearing only a bra. She can go elegant too, Victoria secret type of underwear, down to heel body hugging dress. Once she even carried a bag of books with no explanation other than that she likes to read and improve herself. I think that's bullshit. I think she has trouble on the street and is considering going up market. It's easy if she's white.

Even my least favorite HX girl I couldn't stop seeing her. Right after sex, she would go on top of me chest to chest for the rest of the hour. I like her smooth pale skin and she is the only girl who wear shoes. I told her she has pretty feet though and suck every toe every time I met her. But the last time she didn't cuddle me. I know she missed the Irvine Costa Mesa locations very much because she probably lived there. But I think there's more. It is possible that the booker or herself sent PMs asking for reviews. I told the truth that she's more on the GND side and she may not like it. The other thing is I started riming her maybe the last two times. I always do it more intense than the last one. I think she mistook that I'm very careful and once asked if I wanted to use dental dam on her pussy.

[James D 2004]

Fandango founder J. Michael Cline jumped to his death. He was only 64. He had a big family and still had plenty of assets. Bed Bath & Beyond's chief financial officer, Gustavo Arnal, also jumped at 52. Jeffrey Epstein is alleged to have ended his life at 66. I don't believe it. But the point is, whatever they do leading to their ending, is it worth it?

Just yesterday, I subscribed to a 19-year-old Brazilian on OF. Jerking off is only $20. I remembered our own Erica Clapton.BTW, she's lianiyalife on IG. Just an illustration.

[JasonVee]

BTW, she's lianiyalife on IG. Just an illustration.IMHO, I feel ericaclapton looks like molly little just without the weird mushroom tattoo.

[FreeWally]

Pretty rare to catch anything if you got covered everything (CBJ, CFS, no camel sliding). Only thing is HPV and it's so pervasive that they only test the strains that can lead to cervical cancer. Herpes are pretty common too but doesn't really impact the body. For your SO wellness, something might show on her pap smear (HPV) and they'll do an std check if she has discharge. Someone posted earlier on adult HPV vaccine and I'm seriously considering taking it.

Some kgirl trying to tell me they are actually safer than civvie girls because she gets tested regularly, regularly cleans her cooch, she only does cfs and only lets her bf fuck her raw. She's more of an exception. Most kgirls now do BBFS and the ones that don't likely do at an unspecified price. Most kgirls also blow their money on name brand junk and parties, so they don't have the money to pay for proper testing or medication (there is no insurance in this profession). Then again, I know guys that's been doing BBFS civ for the last 10 years and nothing shows up on their std tests.I highly recommend Gardasil 9 (given up to age 45). It covers cancers and warts, given in 3 shots for older people. There is also the Hep B vaccine. All the more important for those with partners or who plan no this hobby for a long time.

With full protection you are protected against almost everything other than HPV. The main other exception is gential herpes, which can be just a matter of time.

With bbfs bacterial infections are common and easily treatable, however the problem is a pee test is not completely reliable. A deep swab and culture is, but it is painful to perform so it is not part of normal screening. I would be careful and assume some bacterial infection if you are doing BBFS regularly. I have tested negative on pee tests but still had it (this was 20 years ago).

[James D 2004]

IMHO, I feel ericaclapton looks like molly little just without the weird mushroom tattoo.Oh yes! Similar small feet too. But the tiny, teens are easy to find replacement with. Rob made sure of that. I'm obsessed with finding a decent black girl. So far there's only one and I would like to think she's a bit like the younger Ana Foxxx. She's a little bit fuller in the chest and butt without feeling chunky. Looking at her holes makes me want desperately to finger and fuck both again.

[James D 2004]

I returned to the dining table. 3-course dinners. Deserts. Even have my wine back. Sleeping in the same bed. You may get the wrong idea. If we split, she probably has to keep paying me.

So my dream of selling off and relocating to Thailand, the Philippines, and Africa is an option, didn't come true. When I first changed diapers, the thought came to me that I had to wait at least 18 years for my dream. The time had long passed but I still have hope.

I sorted out the hosting thing that is in the back of my people mover. It's only the money. The only thing I can think of to hide money is cashback. Unfortunately, I don't usually buy things using a debit card. She took it back but I still have it in my google wallet. I don't want to get it back unnecessarily to avoid suspicion and examination. Homedepot doesn't accept phone payments. Lowes doesn't use humans at the checkout anymore. There's no automatic cashback.

I ventured into my neighborhood gas station store where I always use the pump only. I brought a $3 coke as an excuse and asked for $40 gas. When I paid with the debit card via google, the familiar "do you want cashback?" popped up. I wasted no time opting for $40, thank god. Also, I never knew that if the tank was full before $40, I only pay the actual amount of gas pumped. Silly me for all those years. When I printed the receipt at the pump, I have the correct amount. What I tried was to give them the card saying full tank. Then I go to turn on the pump. Then go back to get the card. So I always pay at the pump. If I need to go inside I buy something separately.

$40 maybe a week is not much compared to my spending well over $1000 a month last year and the beginning of this year. But that's enough to see the skinny girl at her Garden Grove beauty shop who had reviews here. She looks young and fresh for her age (that I don't know). It was a bit rush testing the water. I didn't see the word massage because I bet she doesn't have a license. I ended up with half hr bad massage and a handjob. I didn't ask her to pop out her small tits because I was admiring her full office lady attire. I gave her $100 and she was very happy. I didn't know that I might not have the chance to go back again. Garden Grove is too far away. I only have time to simulate running errands.

The Chinese are amazing. You can have BBFS or anal for cheap in a respected motel near you. I always think that the nearest Chinese house is 30 min away from me. But once out of curiosity I tried the "hotel" operations and it was only 15 min away. But that is not what I wanted to spend my money on, and not the MPs near my home.

Now can you recommend some money laundering schemes? Even for cash back I will be spending too much on gas which draws suspicion.

[FarFarAway]

I find horse race betting pretty good. Get an account, link it to your bank and a credit card. You put $ in, after it has been in there for a while, it can come out. They can send you a check. You can go to Santa Anita and do a cash withdrawal. If you are any good at betting, winnings are paid in cash.

I also have RMDs from my retirement accounts (which of course are limited to individuals, therefore my SO doesn't have access to the records) sent in paper checks I can walk into a bank and cash.

[James D 2004]

I find horse race betting pretty good.

I also have RMDs from my retirement accounts.She won't allow me to start gambling, no charity donations for that matter. For any accounts she knows of, she demand online access or statements. To keep accounts from her, I have to have a way to find it without her knowing.

[James D 2004]

She won't allow me to start gambling, no charity donations for that matter. For any accounts she knows of, she demand online access or statements. To keep accounts from her, I have to have a way to >find< it without her knowing.Fund not find.

[Oc Amper]

Now can you recommend some money laundering schemes? Even for cash back I will be spending too much on gas which draws suspicion.What I've been doing for decades, a 2nd direct deposit from my paycheck. When I started, there was no online access to ones ADP or what ever the payroll company was.

I opened a checking / savings account at a bank that I knew would not have anything to do with any of my current credit card accounts or anything at all. Unfortunately, since I started the account in the 90's, Washington Mutual got acquired by Chase. That acquisition triggered all kinds of changes, but finally got it sorted out, while keeping it from the wife.

I changed jobs in recent years. New job only allows one direct deposit. Crap! Turns out, the company has an affiliated credit union. That isn't direct deposit. So, got that all figured out and back to embezzling from myself.

There is a paper trail, so got to take that into consideration. Starting it without detection? I forget how I started it, but I have changed the amounts over the years. I just waited until pay raise time, and siphoned off a little of the raise.

[BSouthgate]

Fund not find.Hi James.

I am an 81-year-old man. Like you, I am a polyamorous, hooker-loving mother fucker. I have been this way all my life. When I was single, I picked up women in the bars, streets, museums, wherever. After marrying (a second time), I went to pros in massage parlors, escort hotel rooms, and on the streets (remember Harbor Blvd in the early 90's). I have been doing this, on and off, for 40 years.

I have some advice for you, and I hope you take it. You (and your wife) have suffered too much with this double life. It would help if you put an end to it.

If you have not already done so, square with your wife. "Honey, I am polyamorous; I am not a pervert or a sex addict. There are many people like me. We love sex with multiple partners and we will not change. I will not change. You have to accept that, or we have to split. "

Prepare yourself financially and legally for this, and get ready to lose half of what you own and have to pay her alimony and child support. Get ready to see your kids less often. But please do it.

Also, prepare for that life in Thailand or Mexico. Follow your dreams and your dreams are about pussy. Live life.

Bobby.

[James D 2004]

What I've been doing for decades, a 2nd direct deposit from my paycheck. When I started, there was no online access to ones ADP or what ever the payroll company was.

I opened a checking / savings account at a bank that I knew would not have anything to do with any of my current credit card accounts or anything at all. Unfortunately, since I started the account in the 90's, Washington Mutual got acquired by Chase. That acquisition triggered all kinds of changes, but finally got it sorted out, while keeping it from the wife.

I changed jobs in recent years. New job only allows one direct deposit. Crap! Turns out, the company has an affiliated credit union. That isn't direct deposit. So, got that all figured out and back to embezzling from myself.

There is a paper trail, so got to take that into consideration. Starting it without detection? I forget how I started it, but I have changed the amounts over the years. I just waited until pay raise time, and siphoned off a little of the raise.That works if she doesn't know how much you earns. If she has a reason to ask how can you refuse? She can also ask for the pay slip.

I used to have stock options and enrolled in employee stock discount plans buying a little every paycheck. They all go into my brokerage account where I have a credit card. I also engineered a few thousand tax refund every year. Now I don't have any source that she doesn't know.

[BSouthgate]

That works if she doesn't know how much you earns. If she has a reason to ask how can you refuse? She can also ask for the pay slip.

I used to have stock options and enrolled in employee stock discount plans buying a little every paycheck. They all go into my brokerage account where I have a credit card. I also engineered a few thousand tax refund every year. Now I don't have any source that she doesn't know.I went through this shit of hiding my spending on hookers with my second wife. In the end, we split due to her not being able to accept my polyamory and other reasons.

You guys have to be careful when planning. But you must work toward a moment when you can have a frank discussion with her about your mutual sexual needs. That cannot include any bullshit about you being addicted to sex or her being a prude. Give her a chance to accept you for what you are, and you must accept her if she also has polyamorous tendencies that you do not know about.

But be careful. I waited until I was retirement age. I stated that I wanted to retire and even had a retirement party. If you retire, you don't pay alimony, and your obligations for child support, if any, decrease. Then I had that discussion with her. I even suggested she and I go to a polyamorous supportive therapist and that she try out bars for older singles and married people. I suggested that we try swinging. She did not want any of it. Our kids were grown and out of the picture. We split. The divorce was terrible, but now she and I have a friendly relationship. I am remarried to a woman who accepts my polyamory. My ex is single and lives with our daughter. It is much, much better. It would have been hell if I had continued living the false life.

You can do it. It may work out even better for you.

[Taliesin92]

You can do it. It may work out even better for you.Good advice. But it's even better advice to just stay single. In my experience, many women will initially agree to having a polyamorous relationship. Until they don't. They change their minds. They fall in love. And their brains switch into jealous, possessive gear. I even had one tell to me: "You brainwashed me into thinking I would like an open relationship!

Women are wonderful, but they are not logical creatures. So appealing to them logically doesn't work very often. They change their minds almost daily. They make horrible decisions, often against their own best interests. They screw themselves over all the time. They are their own worst enemies.

Who wants to marry that? Rent, yes. But don't buy.

[BSouthgate]

Good advice. But it's even better advice to just stay single. In my experience, many women will initially agree to having a polyamorous relationship. Until they don't. They change their minds. They fall in love. And their brains switch into jealous, possessive gear. I even had one tell to me: "You brainwashed me into thinking I would like an open relationship!

Women are wonderful, but they are not logical creatures. So appealing to them logically doesn't work very often. They change their minds almost daily. They make horrible decisions, often against their own best interests. They screw themselves over all the time. They are their own worst enemies.

Who wants to marry that? Rent, yes. But don't buy.It depends on your situation. I have an angel for a wife. She does not care what I do when I disappear for a few hours once or twice per month. She makes sure I take my medicine. She loves to travel with me, and I love traveling with her. We explore new places, see our relatives, and eat at new restaurants. As long as I don't blow too much money with hookers, she is totally ok with my having some fun with them.

But for other guys, it will be different.

The main thing is that if you are polyamorous, do not commit to fucking only one person. It is similar to the advice I give to gay friends. Don't deny your own sexuality, and don't think you will ever change. Don't even try. Polyamorous pride forever!

[Taliesin92]

The main thing is that if you are polyamorous, do not commit to fucking only one person. It is similar to the advice I give to gay friends. Don't deny your own sexuality, and don't think you will ever change. Don't even try. Polyamorous pride forever!True that.

[James D 2004]

I went through this shit of hiding my spending on hookers with my second wife. In the end, we split due to her not being able to accept my polyamory and other reasons.

You guys have to be careful when planning. But you must work toward a moment when you can have a frank discussion with her about your mutual sexual needs. That cannot include any bullshit about you being addicted to sex or her being a prude. Give her a chance to accept you for what you are, and you must accept her if she also has polyamorous tendencies that you do not know about.

But be careful. I waited until I was retirement age. I stated that I wanted to retire and even had a retirement party. If you retire, you don't pay alimony, and your obligations for child support, if any, decrease. Then I had that discussion with her. I even suggested she and I go to a polyamorous supportive therapist and that she try out bars for older singles and married people..Guys are looking for simple solutions all over the world based on their own circumstances that don't apply to all. In SVG along I10, all the hostess clubs are full of married guys with a full parking lot of MBZs. They go out when their kids go to bed. It's sort of tradition that communism didn't erase. The California twist is that the wives could have half any time but they choose not to. There's no need to act fast when half of the pot keeps growing.

In my current situation, I don't want to sell out and split. If I'm forced to sell out, I have to find some places to make it last long, until my 70's if I'm lucky. Or make some fireworks with it and suffer the consequence whatever it may be.

If I don't need to sell out, I won't. If the pot keeps growing, I have more to leave for my kids. My dad is the legend of the family. His kids are doing quite well having like a house each when he retired. My kids get less of what I inherited plus growth and interest. I also squandered a lot on hookers. I feel guilty for my kids but my excuse is to keep my mental health. I never need that much sex. I need a boost when I'm down, a cheerleader, better in uniform. I can manage a few times a week perhaps. When I went to Argentina for a week, it was not fun anymore after the 1st two days. But I soldiered on to feel better about my flight ticket.

I started in Soho with my wingman. We saw a woman wrapped up beautifully in like a few bandages. We were shy and went with her up her apartment. She was old and had a bad figure. But it was fun because she didn't take off her bandages like a corset and we did doggie (GFE not common). We did some because I always got to go first! It wasn't gangbang. We paid full price and he waited outside the room for his turn. Most ladies stand outside their apartments and go up when they get a client. Most were local British girls at the time before being taken over by Eastern Europeans and other nationalities. We met some unbelievable girls compared to the price and standard later in the US.

Other than that I always do it alone. Never with friends. I don't want the stigma when words get out or people judge you by your associates. That will affect my ability to get a good free fuck. I didn't have the crush to do it. I only do it when the circumstances arise. I was shocked in Paris with raw meat covering the walls of the street completely, seemingly two layers deep. In Barcelona, I picked up a girl in a flamingo-dancer dress outside a bar. Actually, she was a flamingo dancer in the bar. Silly me I brought a condom with me that was not the norm. She signed to me like she wasn't going to blow me with the condom on.

I did a lay over in BK when I graduated. It was mind-altering. Before the Internet and WSG, every experience was a tourist trap, good or bad, unless you lived there for a while. BK is different when you have an allnighter waking up still having a crush and erection on the girl you picked yesterday. I was really sad for her and the world. But I was very happy for myself. I sold my family gifts to me for a few more days in BK. I knew I had to find some explanations later. I booked a cheap hotel but decided to fly back on the original schedule. I didn't want to lose my mind and get stuck there asking for rescue.

When you were young you were looking for a beautiful wife and fuck every day for free. That was accomplished other than the fuck part, LOL. Our estate agent started talking about sex offender registration when she saw my wife. I had no clue at the time but she suspected that I could be one and the neighborhood would have banned her.

Somebody like to fuck the same hookers, others a different one each time. I'm the former and don't understand the latter. It's all good. My first ATF was Kelvin's girl alongside two Asian Penthouse girls that he brought to the US charging insane prices on CityV like $700. My ATF didn't go all the way like showing her faces because she had family here and she is ABC, although only 1/4 in C. Her mom is half Viet half French. Her dad is Chinese and her stepdad is from Hong Kong or something, or the other way around. Anyway, she is fluent in 3 languages. If she goes into sales it's 6 figures in South Coast Plaza. Maybe 19 is too young but you have plenty of time to wait. But she is such a loser. Maybe she was picked by a high roller and dumped leaving her broken. I only know she was high on gambling debt at 19. I listened to my mentor not to pay the CV price. Soon I met her in the C houses paying $120. She didn't even want to see me. I got her number but she ghosted me, afraid of being banned by the c-houses. And I didn't want to see her there, GPS, dead fish, you name it, she did it. But she is beautiful with killer eyes at 19. I think she has the same eye surgeon as a young Viet massage girl. She didn't do handjobs but I can stare at her beautiful face all the time. But I didn't give up on her offering more to see her privately. Once she gave me some mint and the rest is history. Every month when I saw her I would DFK her nonstop like I just returned from a one-year army deployment. I could afford it and I was happy.

She quit at 23, the last chance to marry her rich boyfriend. I couldn't find anything like her in SVG since. Sure there are plenty of she in Vietnam and Thailand. But I made my money here and I pay the price here. If I can make the same money in Thailand I will move.

After I spent all my stocks, it turned out that I left some that were split. It went up 1000% at the highest point. I almost donated $30,000 to the state because I registered my brokerage account with a PO box. Never again. That lasted me some good times on HX and another ATF. What I couldn't find on SVG I found it on Macey Lin. I auditioned a lot of girls on HX but none had the potential of her, at 19. I ran out of money at the time so that's the end of it. I patroned her again years later but it just wasn't the same. Her buddy Daisy was my type. But she never kissed. She didn't give it all on HX. When she found sugar daddies she would stay away until ran out of sugar money. When I had money again I picked Holly based on faceless pictures typical of the Enclave crew, who is actually Daisy. (She changed her name to erase her underage history on HX due to new laws and she wasn't the only one.) But I didn't recognize her. While riding on the horse she would bend down and tongue kiss me. That was unthinkable for Daisy. I only asked when I recognized her makeup palette when she freshened up after sex. She became my ATF of course. If she turns up in a lineup I will always pick her again. I think I may be the only one who book her when she put up her classified. That's the reason most girls don't last a year or two. But I was happy and she tried hard to keep me. Once she asked me to excuse her state. She went to church with Grandma and came straight to me. I ended up seeing her at her beautiful one-bed apartment when she talked about cooking for me. Later it dawned on me that she was recruiting me for a sugar daddy. Instinctively I didn't agree to see her when she called me up. I was already stretching myself economically. I was happy as it were.

But she had other plans. Soon she quit the game and then moved out later. Unlike the quarter French ATF I was upset for days because it came so suddenly.

Came COVID my wife got plenty of money. I got college refunds. Imagine why colleges are so expensive and suddenly they become tuition-only. And I have two kids in college! Once it's over I fucked many HX girls regularly. Not that I like to but not one of them gave me all my needs. The looker that is my type lives in Ohio. Since she had been on HX long enough her booking rate dropped a lot and she couldn't afford to come. I bet she couldn't afford to relocate either. One is total GFE that I could kiss forever. But we didn't progress when she didn't seem to remember me sometimes. Maybe she's on something to stay alert. I found out that she is indeed very busy when she's not on HX. Another one probably started as a cuddler who always slept on top of me after sex. Another level of GFE. And also the black girl from the Hottery Gallery of Figueroa who can be as elegant as I wanted offering all holes as long as they are covered for a reasonable compensation. If any of them offers some more I will have another ATF. Otherwise, I'll hang on to them to see who will up their games. And it's all too easy to lose one all of a sudden or all of them.

I know someone who kept a gay husband. She got a husband and he got a cover. If you know some gay people the gayness is obvious but not to the public. I would say why bother? At my stage I have no stigma, don't need to pretend whatever. A 19-year-old girl is fine. Older is fine too but not too much baby damage. If a hooker wants a husband that's fine by me if I can afford it. But she has to stop. If not, sharing a hooker isn't a problem with me. I don't want to enter some complicated relationships when my wife fucks other people. If I have enough good sex I don't have the urge to fuck other people.

Life has its ups and downs. I was doing fine until my wife audited everything. I can wait for my chance again. Tomorrow is another day. But do you know any laundry schemes, say, to buy something with a receipt online or off then you get back the money without delivery?

[BSouthgate]

Guys are looking for simple solutions all over the world based on their own circumstances that don't apply to all. In SVG along I10, all the hostess clubs are full of married guys with a full parking lot of MBZs. They go out when their kids go to bed. It's sort of tradition that communism didn't erase. The California twist is that the wives could have half any time but they choose not to. There's no need to act fast when half of the pot keeps growing.

In my current situation, I don't want to sell out and split. If I'm forced to sell out, I have to find some places to make it last long, until my 70's if I'm lucky. Or make some fireworks with it and suffer the consequence whatever it may be.

If I don't need to sell out, I won't. If the pot keeps growing, I have more to leave for my kids. My dad is the legend of the family. His kids are doing quite well having like a house each when he retired. My kids get less of what I inherited plus growth and interest. I also squandered a lot on hookers. I feel guilty for my kids but my excuse is to keep my mental health. I never need that much sex. I need a boost when I'm down, a cheerleader, better in uniform. I can manage a few times a week perhaps. When I went to Argentina for a week, it was not fun anymore after the 1st two days. But I soldiered on to feel better about my flight ticket.

I started in Soho with my wingman. We saw a woman wrapped up beautifully in like a few bandages. We were shy and went with her up her apartment. She was old and had a bad figure. But it was fun because she didn't take off her bandages like a corset and we did doggie (GFE not common). We did some because I always got to go first! It wasn't gangbang. We paid full price and he waited outside the room for his turn. Most ladies stand outside their apartments and go up when they get a client. Most were local British girls at the time before being taken over by Eastern Europeans and other nationalities. We met some unbelievable girls compared to the price and standard later in the US....Thanks for sharing your personal situation. I understand why you do not want to "come out" as polyamorous with your SO. Your kids. You are a beautiful man to love your kids so much. I had two daughters and I did not fully come out until they had graduated from college and were working or in grad school. My ex-wife knew about my playing long before that. She tolerated it but hated it. During those last few years, when she knew but we were still miserable coexisting, I refrained from sex with her. I advise you to do the same.

When you are ready, you should break out. You should tell the world you are multiple partner guy and you cannot, will not and do not want to change.

Polyamous guys of the world unite. All the pussy on earth is your inheritance. You have nothing to lose but your shame.