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Been a member for a while just hardly don't post but what bill wrote is exactly what I'm experiencing right now. Spilt with the wife a couple of months ago and asking my self what do I really want.
The notion that we get stuff out of our system is bullshit. If it's in your system, it usually has a replenishing supply. I don't know any guys who were horny at 20 who aren't still horny at 35 or 52. Guys who were assholes and picking fights at 18 usually mellow over time, but you can sure pick them out of a crowd even though they're 47. You are who you are unless you change, but don't think that if you have a passion for something you can get it out of your system. YOU don't get it out of your system, LIFE beats it out of you until you just don't have the fight in you any more because the payoff isn't there, therefore no motivation to do it.
<big snip>Man, I agree with almost everything you said, except... I do know guys who are happily married, and I do know guys who got stuff out of their system, including me. Yes, I'm just as horny as I was when I was 23, but the BS of clubs, AMPs and all the other stuff holds little allure for me now. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be dating, and I'm way to old to hang out in clubs or go to college, or whatever I did to get laid back in the day. Maybe we're saying the same thing, and that's what you consider having it "beat our of me." I've tried a lot of things on this planet, and even the exciting stuff gets, if not boring, old, after a while. I no longer race my car, for example, even though it would get me the same thrill. Once you get older, the risk-reward equation starts to weigh more heavily on your mind. You ask yourself, "Is it worth it?" for everything, from eating a burger, to racing your car, to fucking P4 P, to dating, marriage, whatever..
I do ask myself, "What do I want," and then I ask "Is it worth it?" If the answer is no, then I let it go, and don't pine away for it...
OK, enough philosophy.
New question: Has anyone found an AMP where the provider has a tongue stud? It's on my bucket list...
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The notion that we get stuff out of our system is bullshit. If it's in your system, it usually has a replenishing supply. I don't know any guys who were horny at 20 who aren't still horny at 35 or 52. Guys who were assholes and picking fights at 18 usually mellow over time, but you can sure pick them out of a crowd even though they're 47. You are who you are unless you change, but don't think that if you have a passion for something you can get it out of your system. YOU don't get it out of your system, LIFE beats it out of you until you just don't have the fight in you any more because the payoff isn't there, therefore no motivation to do it.
Gentlemen,
In case I haven't made it clear yet, Thank you. You've all been class acts in putting up w / my Jr. Question. I appreciate it. This is the type of sage advice that you just can't receive from your uncles or cousins who have wasted away their lives w / their spiteful, emasculating, 275 lb wives nor from your buddies who are currently 'nesting.' Nope. I needed to hear this from MFs that have been around the block, seen some ish, men who understand time / value, risk / reward paradigms.
You also answered one of my most illusive questions... "will I ever mellow over time?" No. I will merely learn to control the flame. Time to draft up a new game plan.
I'm not much of a "420" guy. Weed / cigarettes just have not appealed to me even though I have tried it many times in the past. I see a lot of posts from supposed non-pros asking to bring 420 for hookup. Of course I can't take advantage of those situations since I don't smoke nor do I know anyone where I could purchase. But more importantly, I think even if I did smoke, going into the situation with drugs just puts you more at risk as if the risk of getting robbed or busted isn't high enough. On top of that, all the news info about busts involving the internet have always involved drugs so I recon the chance of walking into a string is much higher if drugs are involved. I just avoid them all no matter how tempting they may be.
How do you guys see it? Any success stories such as bringing 420 in exchange for some action? Of course if it wasn't mentioned before the hookup and you both happened to be pot heads. That would be a different story.
I'm not much of a "420" guy. Weed / cigarettes just have not appealed to me even though I have tried it many times in the past. I see a lot of posts from supposed non-pros asking to bring 420 for hookup. Of course I can't take advantage of those situations since I don't smoke nor do I know anyone where I could purchase. But more importantly, I think even if I did smoke, going into the situation with drugs just puts you more at risk as if the risk of getting robbed or busted isn't high enough. On top of that, all the news info about busts involving the internet have always involved drugs so I recon the chance of walking into a string is much higher if drugs are involved. I just avoid them all no matter how tempting they may be.
How do you guys see it? Any success stories such as bringing 420 in exchange for some action? Of course if it wasn't mentioned before the hookup and you both happened to be pot heads. That would be a different story.No way would I bring drugs of any sort to a session. Only a fool would.
I'm not much of a "420" guy. Weed / cigarettes just have not appealed to me even though I have tried it many times in the past. I see a lot of posts from supposed non-pros asking to bring 420 for hookup. Of course I can't take advantage of those situations since I don't smoke nor do I know anyone where I could purchase. But more importantly, I think even if I did smoke, going into the situation with drugs just puts you more at risk as if the risk of getting robbed or busted isn't high enough. On top of that, all the news info about busts involving the internet have always involved drugs so I recon the chance of walking into a string is much higher if drugs are involved. I just avoid them all no matter how tempting they may be.
How do you guys see it? Any success stories such as bringing 420 in exchange for some action? Of course if it wasn't mentioned before the hookup and you both happened to be pot heads. That would be a different story.Thanks for the words of wisdom!
Yes, I would never, ever do that even if I do drugs (which I don't even touch).
I mean, if the woman in question is LE, then you get double strike.
If she is working with her pimp to rob you while you're high, you get screwed.
Is it worth to take that risk?
I don't think so.
LE Watcher
05-16-14, 01:17
Last time I looked all you need is a med card. We live in california where marijuanna is legal. No girl is exchanging weed for sex. They can buy it on every corner in L.A. "legally". And weed doesn't make any girl want to have sex that isnt agreeing to already. Most girls 18 to 22 all smoke and guys are always giving them free weed. The bottom line is if you smoke and they do too, you will have better sex. If they smoke and you don't you will have better sex. If you smoke and they don't, they don't really care and you will have better sex. So get a med card, buy the best weed and let them smoke if they want.
if neither person smokes I guess its a moot point. LOLYou got that right! Just like the old saying that the only thing better than a hot slutty dancer in VIP is a drunk hot slutty dancer in VIP, same goes for providers after a blunt.
The Tall Man
05-16-14, 19:22
I'm not much of a "420" guy. Weed / cigarettes just have not appealed to me even though I have tried it many times in the past. I see a lot of posts from supposed non-pros asking to bring 420 for hookup. Of course I can't take advantage of those situations since I don't smoke nor do I know anyone where I could purchase. But more importantly, I think even if I did smoke, going into the situation with drugs just puts you more at risk as if the risk of getting robbed or busted isn't high enough. On top of that, all the news info about busts involving the internet have always involved drugs so I recon the chance of walking into a string is much higher if drugs are involved. I just avoid them all no matter how tempting they may be.
How do you guys see it? Any success stories such as bringing 420 in exchange for some action? Of course if it wasn't mentioned before the hookup and you both happened to be pot heads. That would be a different story.I must admit that I met up with a mid 20 yo black non-pro in Long Beach about 2.5 to 3 years ago. Turned out to be an on going thing that lasted about 6 months meeting up with her weekly. Gave her some money for the 420, also threw her $60 to $80. Each time we met to help her with some bills, smoked and crawled into my back seat with her, ate her black pussy out for 30 - 40 minutes each time then fucked her and blew my load in her, on top of her, in her mouth, on her perky black tits....it was fun!
Lost track of her. Now just memories. But I would be very careful as other are posting, mine was probably the exception to the rule.
Be safe!
The Tall Man.
Christophe1
05-19-14, 11:35
todays paper.
http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20140518/prostitution-in-los-angeles-city-changes-its-game-to-combat-sex-trade-on-the-streets"los angeles police and prosecutors are cracking down on prostitution." it's the world's oldest profession, it's not going away. i would think by pushing it underground, they would create the type of abusive, drugged up, beat down, pimping of **** and enslaved women that they're allegedly trying to help.
""no one chooses to be a prostitute. no little girl wakes up and says 'this is what i want to do with my life' deputy chief jorge villegas...said." this is untrue. just yesterday i was told by an escort, i don't participate in prostitution, that she loves to have sex. she likes girls and boys. she just really loves sex. one day she said to herself, i got to do something with my life. after some thought she concluded there are 3 things that will always be needed; food, sex, and housing (not sure she said housing). she decided to make money by doing the second and saving money for a steak house. time and time again i am told by women that are sober that they love making money by escorting. and if they choose to have sex, why is that a problem. sex is good. hopefully everyone is doing it, often. why do some think that no one wants to have sex? and if they do have sex for money, why do they have to be forced to do it? everyone needs money. got to eat, need housing, and children also need things. yes, some girls do think that when they grow up they want to be a prostitute. i've heard that at least 20 times. then they say that they love their job, and that they're damn good prostitutes. of course, i feel stunned because i thought the money was for their time and that i won them onto the sheets with my good looks and humble personality.
"across los angeles county, a string of diversion programs designed to lead prostitutes mostly female, but also male away from the streets and into education, counseling and job opportunities are getting off the ground." good. why does la spend so much money on schools and hardly anyone is being educated. why can't they fire bad teachers. why is there a teacher's union. california taxes way too much and toyota is now leaving torrance. even if a kid gets a good education these days, they'll still have to fight over service jobs at mcdonald's and other shitty non-paying jobs that they'll spend their life commuting to. has anyone been to germany? i love germany. people there are educated, it's modern (fucking like disneyland), and they legalized prostitution. get over it la county. give the people what they want. sex! sex sales. if they legalized sex for money, i'd do it. hell yeah. i'd give a hot girl money for sex. i drove to mexico just to hand over a twenty to hot chica for sex. then i did it again. and again. hmm, all this prostitution talk is making me want to visit tijuana. look la guys, ever heard of pompeii? http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-ancient-brothels-of-pompeii at the entrance to the city my guide said there were at least 20 known brothels. scratching my head. hmmm?
why if a guy bashes other guys fighting over a ball it's looked upon as good? they abuse their body for money and become heroes. if a girl uses her body to make money by having sex, it's bad? really? those women are my heroes. we need the ho olympics and send them to schools to educate other people about sex and earning a decent living. tell the graduating class to avoid drugs and bad relationships, have sex for money, and save up to buy a house, then a business so that they can retire young. see the world.
sorry for writing to myself and posting it here. money is the new god without a doubt. cities, buildings, and businesses are made in it's worship. i worship human interaction and finding divinity in simple interpersonal communication, and even more so in physical communication. sex. i've left my body in these journeys and seen beauty unparalleled in my exploration of sex. in my exploration of music and art. even in my past simple drug use. there are 4 types of escorts that i've come across. those on serious drugs that want to get high. those that make really good money and don't want to work in another profession. those that were adopted or in child custody until they were 18 and kicked out on the streets. a guy would pick them up and help them with a room for the night and some money in exchange for sex. or those that have a crappy boyfriend that they feel the need to support. if the city wants to criminalize someone they should go after the pandering. those that try to entice a girl to perform sex acts for money. those are the bad guys. i don't see why two adults making the choice to do a service for money is a crime. a john is a criminal? if i hire a maid to clean my house it's legal. if i hire a woman to clean my pipe it's illegal, seems like apples to apples to me.
a girl said to me once after i was with her, i gave her food, some gifts, and a massage, "you should be my pimp." i laughed but inside i thought that it was a sweet gesture. to her, a pimp was someone that was a care giver. at that point i thought they all can't be bad. i don't know. i try to avoid those girls, and from what i've seen on the streets with the girls fleeing into traffic that there are for sure some bad ones. those ones need to be locked up.
for god's sake, legalize it. why criminalize and criticize it? prostitution good. pandering bad. management good. pimping bad. money makes the world go round. get used to it.
I've slowed down on my mongering here in los angeles. I only see girls that iv been with before, because of these sting operations. Don't get me wrong I still like to drive around, snap a few pics, chat with the girls, but rarely partake. I've been pulled over 2 times in the last 9 months and been let go, but not after I was questioned by LE as to why I was driving around in a know prostitution track at 2 am. The first time I was rolled, I used an excuse that someone here used. I told them I was in search of late night tacos LOL. It worked!! And the other time LE pulled me over, I was talking to a BSW. I just told them she approached my car while I was at the stop light. They as well let me go after they said " I don't believe your story, and this is your only warning".
So I go to Tijuana..there's less stress about whos around and watching you. The fear of stopping in the middle of a side street chatting with the girls, and telling yourself, " damn I hope the next car that turns onto the same street is not a cop". Or telling the girl to jump out of the car a fast as she can after doing the deed. This can all be nerve racking.
Tijuana does cost more due to gas, rooms, and drinks... But its well worth it. I just have to save for a few months and drive down to one of the greatest places on earth. Hell, I'm even going this weekend for 2 nights and I can't wait.
Legalizing prostitution in the US would be great. I would pay as well. But until then VIVA LA TIJUANA!
Because most voters are bored stay-at-home housewives that have "christen values" they don't understand that the real world is libertican. That young cute poor girls need $$ and they don't mind giving up pu $$why to trade for it.
http://myburbank.com/05/sections/policefire/police-activities/woman-allegedly-hits-car-driven-by-fleeing-john/
The male driver told police he had been at the Extended Stay hotel near Empire Avenue and Buena Vista Street with an alleged prostitute he met online, added Ryburn. The male refused to pay the female for services and fled the hotel in his Jeep.
His vehicle was followed by an Audi, which rammed his Jeep from behind while driving north on Buena Vista Street. Then the Audio pulled alongside and struck the right rear of the Jeep with the left side of the car, causing the Jeep's driver to lose control and strike the parked Chrylser.
Sucker Bill
05-20-14, 20:47
"los angeles police and prosecutors are cracking down on prostitution." it's the world's oldest profession, it's not going away. i would think by pushing it underground, they would create the type of abusive, drugged up, beat down, pimping of **** and enslaved women that they're allegedly trying to help.
""no one chooses to be a prostitute. no little girl wakes up and says 'this is what i want to do with my life' deputy chief jorge villegas said."
for god's sake, legalize it.no, deputy chief villegas, no little girl dreams of being a prostitute when they grow up. they dream of being princesses and fairies, because they're stupid little kids and they don't know what a prostitute is. i'll bet no little girl dreams of being a fucking denny's waitress, either, but they do that to make money and pay their bills because that's where life has taken them. little girls don't dream of being hotel maids scrubbing shitty toilets all day, or pole dancers shaking their tits for dollar tips, or serving drinks in a smokey bar until 2 am or working the overnight shift at gas-and-shit, but lots of them do that and a thousand other shitty jobs and that seems to be okay. no little boy dreams of working a shit job, either, but i've known college graduates who took jobs driving a cab, delivering pizza, moving furniture and walking dogs because that's where they ended up in life, and no fucking asshole politician is helping them do better and they've earned it.
why do you look down on prostitutes, deputy chief villegas? is it so bad that they offer a service to earn money? what's the alternative? rob someone to get drugs? go on some program where the government gives them money? isn't that just another way of me paying to get fucked? i just don't get to cum that way, and it probably costs me a lot more in the long run because the money has to be filtered through three or four government programs. we all know how the government works, and i know that for every $100 of my tax money, probably $2 goes to actual problem solving.
it makes our community look bad? our community looks like shit, anyway. between the graffiti, the hordes of illegal day workers spilling out into the streets from every paint store, truck rental place and home dept, the homeless, the litter, the piles of horse shit, the broken down cars, the filthy screaming children whose parents ignore them and the crime that goes untouched while police hand out seat belt tickets all day long, that's what makes our community look bad.
this is an easy situation to handle, so that's why you're going after it. there are enough illegal aliens and gangbangers to keep you busy 24 hours a day for the rest of your career if you chose to actually clean up this city for real. we have a 50% hit-and-run rate, the worst in the entire country. what are you doing about that? these problems effect me a lot more than someone paying a woman for a blowjob and they both go home happy.
none of this bullshit is about prostitution. it's all about nailing taxpayers to bleed their wallets dry, and about controlling sex because everyone is so fucking hung up when it comes to sex. no one is going to stick up for johns because then they won't get votes. every country in the world that has legal prostitution is way better off than we are. i understand you don't want some fat ass hooker walking down your street in a mini skirt with her cooch hanging out, but i don't want to see your fat screaming children running around my movie theater, either, so fuck you. do you know how many times i've almost been smashed into by some asshole backing out onto a main street from one of those shitty taco wagons? why is that legal? or is it?
the only reason politicians and housewives lament about prostitutes is because they are prostitutes, fucking whoever they have to in order to get by in life. just admit that this is a way to get your name in the news and it's easier than solving any real problems.
You are preaching to the Choir here. Why don't you copy and paste your comment to the LA Times letters to the editor? And any other place it might get read!!
No, Deputy Chief Villegas, no little girl dreams of being a prostitute when they grow up. They dream of being princesses and fairies, because they're stupid little kids and they don't know what a prostitute is. I'll bet no little girl dreams of being a fucking Denny's waitress, either, but they do that to make money and pay their bills because that's where life has taken them. Little girls don't dream of being hotel maids scrubbing shitty toilets all day, or pole dancers shaking their tits for dollar tips, or serving drinks in a smokey bar until 2 AM or working the overnight shift at Gas-and-Shit, but lots of them do that and a thousand other shitty jobs and that seems to be okay. No little boy dreams of working a shit job, either, but I've known college graduates who took jobs driving a cab, delivering pizza, moving furniture and walking dogs because that's where they ended up in life, and no fucking asshole politician is helping them do better and they've earned it.
Why do you look down on prostitutes, Deputy Chief Villegas? Is it so bad that they offer a service to earn money? What's the alternative? Rob someone to get drugs? Go on some program where the government gives them money? Isn't that just another way of me paying to get fucked? I just don't get to cum that way, and it probably costs me a lot more in the long run because the money has to be filtered through three or four government programs. We all know how the government works, and I know that for every $100 of my tax money, probably $2 goes to actual problem solving.
It makes our community look bad? Our community looks like shit, anyway. Between the graffiti, the hordes of illegal day workers spilling out into the streets from every paint store, truck rental place and Home Dept, the homeless, the litter, the piles of horse shit, the broken down cars, the filthy screaming children whose parents ignore them and the crime that goes untouched while police hand out seat belt tickets all day long, THAT'S what makes our community look bad.
This is an easy situation to handle, so that's why you're going after it. There are enough illegal aliens and gangbangers to keep you busy 24 hours a day for the rest of your career if you chose to actually clean up this city for real. We have a 50% hit-and-run rate, the worst in the entire country. What are you doing about that? These problems effect me a lot more than someone paying a woman for a blowjob and they both go home happy.
None of this bullshit is about prostitution. It's all about nailing taxpayers to bleed their wallets dry, and about controlling sex because everyone is so fucking hung up when it comes to sex. No one is going to stick up for Johns because then they won't get votes. Every country in the world that has legal prostitution is way better off than we are. I understand you don't want some fat ass hooker walking down your street in a mini skirt with her cooch hanging out, but I don't want to see your fat screaming children running around my movie theater, either, so fuck you. Do you know how many times I've almost been smashed into by some asshole backing out onto a main street from one of those shitty taco wagons? Why is that legal? Or is it?
The only reason politicians and housewives lament about prostitutes is because THEY are prostitutes, fucking whoever they have to in order to get by in life. Just admit that this is a way to get your name in the news and it's easier than solving any real problems.
Christophe1
05-21-14, 20:44
VIVA LA TIJUANA!Tee Jay?
I've never gone for more than a day or just a pass thru. Can anyone pass the 411 on best place to stay and how to pick up a girl for long time? Preferably in the $ range. Never got wild in the strip clubs either. Road trip!
Any chance that The Camel is there this weekend too?
Tee Jay?
I've never gone for more than a day or just a pass thru. Can anyone pass the 411 on best place to stay and how to pick up a girl for long time? Preferably in the $ range. Never got wild in the strip clubs either. Road trip!
Any chance that The Camel is there this weekend too?Not this weekend Chris. I'll be going down for a few weekdays around mid-June for a pleasure tour before I have to shut down for an extended medical adventure in early July. I'll drop you a PM of my schedule when I know it. Would be great to hook up down there and I'll be happy to share a billion stories and clue you in on the nuances that open up the next levels of the Tijuana experience.
Its going to be a madhouse this weekend BTW, especially on Saturday. American holidays can be weird on the Sunday night because it isn't a holiday in Mexico and the chicas mostly aren't too cognizant or don't give a shit that the streets and bars will be full of gringos unlike most dead Sunday nights. So Saturday is a madhouse where walking through HK or Adelita near midnight will be like trying to rush a football into the end zone on a 4th and 2 in a championship game. Sunday will be a sausage fest though patience will get you more than you need before the night is over.
So much to say about landing the good economic overnight guests. I'll just give a few clues. First, fagetaboutit with the major gringo bars like Adelita or HK on any weekend night if you want extra special at a bargain rate. No bargains unless the chica is seriously in love with you in which case you'll do better to pay her big money. All the bars charge bar fines for taking a chica on shift away, that is beyond the bar's own associated hotel. The gringo bars will be ridiculous about that on a holiday weekend. Negotiable but your best deal will not be a good one for either the chica or the barfine.
The answer is to go to ANY OTHER BAR. Most gringos who are casual visitors and only do the standard short term with gringo bar girls and SGs do not feel comfortable at the "locals' bars". With a couple of exceptions, there are few Americans around if any. Blaring latin music and dancing. You will get a special hustle from the wait staff who hyperventilate at the sight of a gringo customer thinking their annual income is about to double and their oldest hijo will go to college after all. They can suffocate you if you don't know how to deal and get along without letting them take over your prerogatives.
The good news is all the chicas want you too though you need to avoid the aggressive ones. You can find relatively "normal" mexicanas in these bars. FOBs who will remind you of non-pros in SoCal. You need to work them to gain simpatico and then you are in for an ultimate and economic all night fiesta with a less onerous bar fine. It will take some time to build "confianza" not to mention that the house and the chica want you there to milk your wallet for ficha drinks for a while before she agrees to take off with you. So an investment is usually required up front with a new chica for you but you can draw boundaries and the in-bar ficha time can be a fantastic over the edge party that sets the tone for a fantastic long term hotel marathon. So if you just ask a girl you don't know to go to the hotel, its most likely going to be mechanical wham bam which is fine enough for many, but yo, no. So it should be fairly obvious that the more Spanish you have at your disposal the more fun you're going to have and the pace of simpatico building will be accelerated. Virtually none of the chicas in the smaller locals' bars speak any English. Not a good game for guys who just want to fuck. My game after almost 20 years of carousing Tijuana is that I have no agenda but to have a good time. I want to party in the bars and go with the flow. Almost always turns out to be an excellent story with a good beginning, hot middle and blissful final act.
Some times you want to go with the flow but numbers are easy to get so the best way to go is to be there for at least a couple of nights. The chicas you meet in a bar on night one can visit you at your hotel on day 2 without your having to pay a bar fine. They take the day off to be with you or see you off shift. Not so great to take them after their shift is over from these locals bars since you can expect them to be ready to fall into a drunken coma once they get relaxed with you in bed and maybe the coma comes while your dick is in one of their orifices. I've had 3 chicas pass out with my dick in their mouth. Not really a good thing! Better to meet them when they're sober and have a few drinks together to achieve a most useful level of adjustment.
SGs are another option. Many won't leave their own spot and usual hotel with a stranger for the sake of security, but if you can get silly with them on the street and make them laugh they can thaw out pretty quickly. Some others just won't leave because their Padrote would not be too happy about them leaving the known zone and probably earning less on an overnighter than calming 15 erections for 15 minutes at a time. But if you find a good and willing SG, and there are plenty among the mobs who are out there on weekends, an offer of $100-150 or even less for overnight hours may seem irresistible and actually desirable to relax in a comfortable room for hours at a time with just one erection to administer to. You could even invest in a cheap short term session with the chica which will give her a chance to get comfortable enough with you to take it on the road for something more special. Don't do business with "walkers" who are messed up English speaking drugged out deportees or just on the run. Don't do business with "helpful" intermediaries and guides who speak English. They are also deportees, drug addicts and dealers and the policia will note that you have bad taste in amigos.
Best hotels right in the middle of the zona action are Cascades which is shared by HK and Las Chaveles bar next door, and Hotel Coahuila which is the Adelita Hotel. Both have been remodeled and modernized. Still at least slightly a 3rd world experience but completely comfortable. I have had enough of that chaos after many years and prefer to use a luxury hotel named Hotel Ticuan which is about a half mile from the zona norte on Calle 8 between Revolucion and Constitucion. Google and make online reservations. Should be pretty full this weekend though. This is the heart of the downtown (Centro) district these days with all kinds of other action available including interesting mexican hipster bars and the giant Las Pulgas dance club which draws literally more than 10,000 local revelers on weekend nights and pounds hard into and past the sunrise. P4 P options also available in this area. 10-15 minute walk to the zona norte or $3-4 taxi ride. Zona chicas love to spend the night in this hotel. Staying in a luxury hotel is a currency substitute. Getting them to leave may be the problem!
Sorry for going on so long off topic but I haven't skimmed the surface. Tijuana curious mongers should check out the specific Tijuana message boards plus the International Sex Guide for giant data bases of information and guides to what can be a very complex maze of opportunities beyond the standard Hong Kong Club hit and run play. In the end, only repeated long term visits over time and acquisition of conversational spanish will open up the full Tijuana experience.
Sorry for going on so long off topic but I haven't skimmed the surface. Tijuana curious mongers should check out the specific Tijuana message boards plus the International Sex Guide for giant data bases of information and guides to what can be a very complex maze of opportunities beyond the standard Hong Kong Club hit and run play. In the end, only repeated long term visits over time and acquisition of conversational spanish will open up the full Tijuana experience.I'm amazed just how much Tijuana knowledge you've accrued over the years if all that isn't even skimming the surface.
Thanks for the well thought out / written intro to the wonders to the south.
Not this weekend Chris. I'll be going down for a few weekdays around mid-June for a pleasure tour before I have to shut down for an extended medical adventure in early July. I'll drop you a PM of my schedule when I know it. Would be great to hook up down there and I'll be happy to share a billion stories and clue you in on the nuances that open up the next levels of the Tijuana experience.
Its going to be a madhouse this weekend BTW, especially on Saturday. American holidays can be weird on the Sunday night because it isn't a holiday in Mexico and the chicas mostly aren't too cognizant or don't give a shit that the streets and bars will be full of gringos unlike most dead Sunday nights. So Saturday is a madhouse where walking through HK or Adelita near midnight will be like trying to rush a football into the end zone on a 4th and 2 in a championship game. Sunday will be a sausage fest though patience will get you more than you need before the night is over.
So much to say about landing the good economic overnight guests. I'll just give a few clues. First, fagetaboutit with the major gringo bars like Adelita or HK on any weekend night if you want extra special at a bargain rate. No bargains unless the chica is seriously in love with you in which case you'll do better to pay her big money. All the bars charge bar fines for taking a chica on shift away, that is beyond the bar's own associated hotel. The gringo bars will be ridiculous about that on a holiday weekend. Negotiable but your best deal will not be a good one for either the chica or the barfine.
The answer is to go to ANY OTHER BAR. Most gringos who are casual visitors and only do the standard short term with gringo bar girls and SGs do not feel comfortable at the "locals' bars". With a couple of exceptions, there are few Americans around if any. Blaring latin music and dancing. You will get a special hustle from the wait staff who hyperventilate at the sight of a gringo customer thinking their annual income is about to double and their oldest hijo will go to college after all. They can suffocate you if you don't know how to deal and get along without letting them take over your prerogatives.
The good news is all the chicas want you too though you need to avoid the aggressive ones. You can find relatively "normal" mexicanas in these bars. FOBs who will remind you of non-pros in SoCal. You need to work them to gain simpatico and then you are in for an ultimate and economic all night fiesta with a less onerous bar fine. It will take some time to build "confianza" not to mention that the house and the chica want you there to milk your wallet for ficha drinks for a while before she agrees to take off with you. So an investment is usually required up front with a new chica for you but you can draw boundaries and the in-bar ficha time can be a fantastic over the edge party that sets the tone for a fantastic long term hotel marathon. So if you just ask a girl you don't know to go to the hotel, its most likely going to be mechanical wham bam which is fine enough for many, but yo, no. So it should be fairly obvious that the more Spanish you have at your disposal the more fun you're going to have and the pace of simpatico building will be accelerated. Virtually none of the chicas in the smaller locals' bars speak any English. Not a good game for guys who just want to fuck. My game after almost 20 years of carousing Tijuana is that I have no agenda but to have a good time. I want to party in the bars and go with the flow. Almost always turns out to be an excellent story with a good beginning, hot middle and blissful final act.
Some times you want to go with the flow but numbers are easy to get so the best way to go is to be there for at least a couple of nights. The chicas you meet in a bar on night one can visit you at your hotel on day 2 without your having to pay a bar fine. They take the day off to be with you or see you off shift. Not so great to take them after their shift is over from these locals bars since you can expect them to be ready to fall into a drunken coma once they get relaxed with you in bed and maybe the coma comes while your dick is in one of their orifices. I've had 3 chicas pass out with my dick in their mouth. Not really a good thing! Better to meet them when they're sober and have a few drinks together to achieve a most useful level of adjustment.
SGs are another option. Many won't leave their own spot and usual hotel with a stranger for the sake of security, but if you can get silly with them on the street and make them laugh they can thaw out pretty quickly. Some others just won't leave because their Padrote would not be too happy about them leaving the known zone and probably earning less on an overnighter than calming 15 erections for 15 minutes at a time. But if you find a good and willing SG, and there are plenty among the mobs who are out there on weekends, an offer of $100-150 or even less for overnight hours may seem irresistible and actually desirable to relax in a comfortable room for hours at a time with just one erection to administer to. You could even invest in a cheap short term session with the chica which will give her a chance to get comfortable enough with you to take it on the road for something more special. Don't do business with "walkers" who are messed up English speaking drugged out deportees or just on the run. Don't do business with "helpful" intermediaries and guides who speak English. They are also deportees, drug addicts and dealers and the policia will note that you have bad taste in amigos.
Best hotels right in the middle of the zona action are Cascades which is shared by HK and Las Chaveles bar next door, and Hotel Coahuila which is the Adelita Hotel. Both have been remodeled and modernized. Still at least slightly a 3rd world experience but completely comfortable. I have had enough of that chaos after many years and prefer to use a luxury hotel named Hotel Ticuan which is about a half mile from the zona norte on Calle 8 between Revolucion and Constitucion. Google and make online reservations. Should be pretty full this weekend though. This is the heart of the downtown (Centro) district these days with all kinds of other action available including interesting mexican hipster bars and the giant Las Pulgas dance club which draws literally more than 10,000 local revelers on weekend nights and pounds hard into and past the sunrise. P4 P options also available in this area. 10-15 minute walk to the zona norte or $3-4 taxi ride. Zona chicas love to spend the night in this hotel. Staying in a luxury hotel is a currency substitute. Getting them to leave may be the problem!
Sorry for going on so long off topic but I haven't skimmed the surface. Tijuana curious mongers should check out the specific Tijuana message boards plus the International Sex Guide for giant data bases of information and guides to what can be a very complex maze of opportunities beyond the standard Hong Kong Club hit and run play. In the end, only repeated long term visits over time and acquisition of conversational spanish will open up the full Tijuana experience.Great info. To add my little bit- if you have a choice, go on a week night. Because of business circumstances I used to go mainly on Tuesday nights. More relaxed, better negotiation prospects and you can get over night rooms at the hotels that serve the major ars. It can be worth getting an overnight room in one of the hotels that serves one of the popular bars (Adelitas / Hong Kong) even if you actually sleep in one of the more upscale places. You get longer sessions, no knocks and if you hit it off with a bar girl you can sometimes get a good deal todos noches in the hotel that serves her bar, with no bar fine.
Does anyone know what is a good site to upload videos? I was going to use youtube but I'd rather not. Videos are of SW's walking around.
Does anyone know what is a good site to upload videos? I was going to use youtube but I'd rather not. Videos are of SW's walking around.You can use some of the porn tubes out there. Sites like porntube, xtube, youporn.
NighTowl85
06-13-14, 17:39
Did Jenny from Long Beach change her number? Has anyone seen her this past week? ANy info on her?
Cres Prophet2
06-16-14, 01:59
Did Jenny from Long Beach change her number? Has anyone seen her this past week? ANy info on her?I guess she's gone back to a non-pro status.
Did Jenny from Long Beach change her number? Has anyone seen her this past week? ANy info on her?I hope she didn't get caught, she had been posting almost daily on CL.
I hope she didn't get caught, she had been posting almost daily on CL.Her # is disconnected.
Her # is disconnected.She flaked on me several weeks back. Me and the Cruiser did two GBs with her before. I picked her up at a hotel in LB.
Chatted for 3 minutes in the car then she said "Let me get my purse" and never came back out. I was really pissed.
Trunk Monkey
06-18-14, 22:17
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06-19-14, 13:01
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Cres Prophet2
06-26-14, 00:29
Her # is disconnected.So is she out?
Milcanjose
06-26-14, 11:46
So I don't know about you guys, but I feel like this game just got more dangerous! They took over and took down myredbook which was great to have reviews right there on the ad! Now I feel like its back to a craps shoot if you want to try someone you haven't seen before!
There is backpages (which has so many fake ads.) what else is everyone trying now?
CumberlandBlue
06-26-14, 14:14
This is a new case just handed down yesterday:
In California, "police may not search a digital information on cellphones seized from arrestees without warrant because government's interests do not justify them" Cite as 2014 DJDAR 8220, Supreme Court of the United States, Riley v. California, No. 13-132.
Case involves a gangbanger who was stopped for a traffic stop, which led to arrest on weapons charges. An officer searching Riley during the arrest seized a cell phone from Riley's pants pocket and searched it, and other officers did as well. They were able to link Riley to a recent shooting, and enhanced punishment for gang membership. Riley was able to suppress it.
Held: "the police generally may not, without a warrant, search digital information on a cell phone, seized from an individual who has been arrested". A warrant is needed. They note that a cell phone today can store a ton of data and allowing an officer to go through same is an intrusion of privacy and since that data can also be stored on the cloud, "a search may extend well beyond papers and effects in the physical proximity of an arrestee, a concern that the USA Recognizes but cannot definitively foreclose".
ThePussyHunter
06-26-14, 14:37
So I don't know about you guys, but I feel like this game just got more dangerous! They took over and took down myredbook which was great to have reviews right there on the ad!We shouldn't worry too much, I'm sure someone else will start a similar site soon.
Hornilius69
06-26-14, 14:59
We shouldn't worry too much, I'm sure someone else will start a similar site soon.The girls probably move to Backpage, Humaniplex, Sugardaddyforme, Craiglists, etc.
So with the closure of myredbook where am I to find a decent safe date? Hx and rb were my two sites that I used. Hx is great but hey lest be honest here hx does not have the variety that rb had. I really don't want to go back to using BP. I use to use BP in conjunction with another site for reviews but rb had that all wrapped into one. What sites are you guys using?
TheHuntsman
06-26-14, 17:06
I agree that that the reviews posted with the ads is why I would browse through Myredbook. When I see an ad on BP that I like and google the number it will usually lead to an ad on Myredbook and with it any reviews. Besides TER I don't know of any place where you can google the number and be connected to a review. I enjoy this site because of all the information shared and in depth reviews, but searing the forum while I am in need of a nut can take a long time. Still love this site Jackson LOL.
That's going to change soon. Be looking for new stuff here.
A2
Dash Belli
06-26-14, 19:23
It's a shame. MyRedbook was one of my go-to sites. Pity.
I agree that that the reviews posted with the ads is why I would browse through Myredbook. When I see an ad on BP that I like and google the number it will usually lead to an ad on Myredbook and with it any reviews. Besides TER I don't know of any place where you can google the number and be connected to a review. I enjoy this site because of all the information shared and in depth reviews, but searing the forum while I am in need of a nut can take a long time. Still love this site Jackson LOL.
That's going to change soon. Be looking for new stuff here.
A2I used RB for many years for that reason, the reviews really helped sort a world of crap. They will be missed.
Is anyone else exploring Eccie dot Net? It is a setup much like here. Same engine? Heck, for all I know, Jackson are you involved in eccie? Anyway, it would be nice if there was more than just TER for reviews. Always room for a better mousetrap.
Dildo Baggens
06-27-14, 03:20
I've read a lot of post on here from guys that are\were members of My Red Book and concerned the FBI has your info. The bad news is, they probably do. The good news is, don't be so worried.
I have family and friends in both local and federal LE. The last thing the FBI wants to do is charge a John with a petty misdemeanor. They're all about getting the big fish, not the guppies. They are going after the King pin Pimps that make hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars off human trafficking.
So take a deep breath and take this as a learning experience. If you must pay money to join a service, use an Anonymous debit card next time. Use secondary unregistered devices and go to a public WiFi locations to perform the dirty work so the IP address is random.
Baggens.
I used RB for many years for that reason, the reviews really helped sort a world of crap. They will be missed.
Is anyone else exploring Eccie dot Net? It is a setup much like here. Same engine? Heck, for all I know, Jackson are you involved in eccie? Anyway, it would be nice if there was more than just TER for reviews. Always room for a better mousetrap.
What I liked about myredbook is being able to search for BBFS ads. Never took the plunge with those but they were fun to read. Anybody know of other sites that have the BBFS search? I know about adultwork but I don't know if it works well for domestic searching.
Thank you for such an informative dissertation. I myself have not been down in at least 7 or 8 years. Had some great times at Adelita and HK back in the day. Since I am not close to border it is definitely a trip to get down there. Thinking it may be time for a trip back down based on your informative report.
Oginla.
Not this weekend Chris. I'll be going down for a few weekdays around mid-June for a pleasure tour before I have to shut down for an extended medical adventure in early July. I'll drop you a PM of my schedule when I know it. Would be great to hook up down there and I'll be happy to share a billion stories and clue you in on the nuances that open up the next levels of the Tijuana experience.
Its going to be a madhouse this weekend BTW, especially on Saturday. American holidays can be weird on the Sunday night because it isn't a holiday in Mexico and the chicas mostly aren't too cognizant or don't give a shit that the streets and bars will be full of gringos unlike most dead Sunday nights. So Saturday is a madhouse where walking through HK or Adelita near midnight will be like trying to rush a football into the end zone on a 4th and 2 in a championship game. Sunday will be a sausage fest though patience will get you more than you need before the night is over.
So much to say about landing the good economic overnight guests. I'll just give a few clues. First, fagetaboutit with the major gringo bars like Adelita or HK on any weekend night if you want extra special at a bargain rate. No bargains unless the chica is seriously in love with you in which case you'll do better to pay her big money. All the bars charge bar fines for taking a chica on shift away, that is beyond the bar's own associated hotel. The gringo bars will be ridiculous about that on a holiday weekend. Negotiable but your best deal will not be a good one for either the chica or the barfine.
The answer is to go to ANY OTHER BAR. Most gringos who are casual visitors and only do the standard short term with gringo bar girls and SGs do not feel comfortable at the "locals' bars". With a couple of exceptions, there are few Americans around if any. Blaring latin music and dancing. You will get a special hustle from the wait staff who hyperventilate at the sight of a gringo customer thinking their annual income is about to double and their oldest hijo will go to college after all. They can suffocate you if you don't know how to deal and get along without letting them take over your prerogatives.
The good news is all the chicas want you too though you need to avoid the aggressive ones. You can find relatively "normal" mexicanas in these bars. FOBs who will remind you of non-pros in SoCal. You need to work them to gain simpatico and then you are in for an ultimate and economic all night fiesta with a less onerous bar fine. It will take some time to build "confianza" not to mention that the house and the chica want you there to milk your wallet for ficha drinks for a while before she agrees to take off with you. So an investment is usually required up front with a new chica for you but you can draw boundaries and the in-bar ficha time can be a fantastic over the edge party that sets the tone for a fantastic long term hotel marathon. So if you just ask a girl you don't know to go to the hotel, its most likely going to be mechanical wham bam which is fine enough for many, but yo, no. So it should be fairly obvious that the more Spanish you have at your disposal the more fun you're going to have and the pace of simpatico building will be accelerated. Virtually none of the chicas in the smaller locals' bars speak any English. Not a good game for guys who just want to fuck. My game after almost 20 years of carousing Tijuana is that I have no agenda but to have a good time. I want to party in the bars and go with the flow. Almost always turns out to be an excellent story with a good beginning, hot middle and blissful final act.
Some times you want to go with the flow but numbers are easy to get so the best way to go is to be there for at least a couple of nights. The chicas you meet in a bar on night one can visit you at your hotel on day 2 without your having to pay a bar fine. They take the day off to be with you or see you off shift. Not so great to take them after their shift is over from these locals bars since you can expect them to be ready to fall into a drunken coma once they get relaxed with you in bed and maybe the coma comes while your dick is in one of their orifices. I've had 3 chicas pass out with my dick in their mouth. Not really a good thing! Better to meet them when they're sober and have a few drinks together to achieve a most useful level of adjustment.
SGs are another option. Many won't leave their own spot and usual hotel with a stranger for the sake of security, but if you can get silly with them on the street and make them laugh they can thaw out pretty quickly. Some others just won't leave because their Padrote would not be too happy about them leaving the known zone and probably earning less on an overnighter than calming 15 erections for 15 minutes at a time. But if you find a good and willing SG, and there are plenty among the mobs who are out there on weekends, an offer of $100-150 or even less for overnight hours may seem irresistible and actually desirable to relax in a comfortable room for hours at a time with just one erection to administer to. You could even invest in a cheap short term session with the chica which will give her a chance to get comfortable enough with you to take it on the road for something more special. Don't do business with "walkers" who are messed up English speaking drugged out deportees or just on the run. Don't do business with "helpful" intermediaries and guides who speak English. They are also deportees, drug addicts and dealers and the policia will note that you have bad taste in amigos.
Best hotels right in the middle of the zona action are Cascades which is shared by HK and Las Chaveles bar next door, and Hotel Coahuila which is the Adelita Hotel. Both have been remodeled and modernized. Still at least slightly a 3rd world experience but completely comfortable. I have had enough of that chaos after many years and prefer to use a luxury hotel named Hotel Ticuan which is about a half mile from the zona norte on Calle 8 between Revolucion and Constitucion. Google and make online reservations. Should be pretty full this weekend though. This is the heart of the downtown (Centro) district these days with all kinds of other action available including interesting mexican hipster bars and the giant Las Pulgas dance club which draws literally more than 10,000 local revelers on weekend nights and pounds hard into and past the sunrise. P4 P options also available in this area. 10-15 minute walk to the zona norte or $3-4 taxi ride. Zona chicas love to spend the night in this hotel. Staying in a luxury hotel is a currency substitute. Getting them to leave may be the problem!
Sorry for going on so long off topic but I haven't skimmed the surface. Tijuana curious mongers should check out the specific Tijuana message boards plus the International Sex Guide for giant data bases of information and guides to what can be a very complex maze of opportunities beyond the standard Hong Kong Club hit and run play. In the end, only repeated long term visits over time and acquisition of conversational spanish will open up the full Tijuana experience.
I was planning to ask about Dos and Don'ts on the AMP visit a few days ago and forgot about it. Now the news on www.myredbook.com being shut down remind me to ask. There has been usage of acronym and crypt-ed massage here which has been complained and defended. I believe that the crypt-ed message help the site to be under the radar. Yet, if they are not impossibly hard for average person to find out, it won't be a big deal for the LEO to do so. However, these information will affect the AMP more than the visitor (let me know if I am wrong.).
What are the signs to look for caution? I have read in some post not to ask things explicitly but let them go naturally. So saying "full service and (just) BJ" should be safe<? After verbal agreement of full service and if she didn't do _full service_, don't insist (and don't pay the tip), just leave quietly. Is there any other advices? Thanks.
I was planning to ask about Dos and Don'ts on the AMP visit a few days ago and forgot about it. Now the news on www.myredbook.com being shut down remind me to ask. There has been usage of acronym and crypt-ed massage here which has been complained and defended. I believe that the crypt-ed message help the site to be under the radar. Yet, if they are not impossibly hard for average person to find out, it won't be a big deal for the LEO to do so. However, these information will affect the AMP more than the visitor (let me know if I am wrong.).
What are the signs to look for caution? I have read in some post not to ask things explicitly but let them go naturally. So saying "full service and (just) BJ" should be safe<? After verbal agreement of full service and if she didn't do _full service_, don't insist (and don't pay the tip), just leave quietly. Is there any other advices? Thanks.
Member #5794
06-29-14, 23:37
The attorneys can weigh in on this, but the indictment is over the top. There is no way the funds being wired to and fro were solely from prostitution, they were moving millions, and I cannot believe a little dumpy website like MRB made that much. Perhaps they were actually pimping girls, taking a cut, etc. But the "travel act" (this is the federal law that makes it a federal crime to send $$$ in the mail or by wire transfer if the bucks related to a crime, essentially nationalizing crime) violation are all based on the funds being in furtherance of prostitution. I assume that any site taking a cut would want to review the indictment.
Dash Belli
07-01-14, 21:16
I was planning to ask about Dos and Don'ts on the AMP visit a few days ago and forgot about it. Now the news on www.myredbook.com being shut down remind me to ask. There has been usage of acronym and crypt-ed massage here which has been complained and defended. I believe that the crypt-ed message help the site to be under the radar. Yet, if they are not impossibly hard for average person to find out, it won't be a big deal for the LEO to do so. However, these information will affect the AMP more than the visitor (let me know if I am wrong.).
What are the signs to look for caution? I have read in some post not to ask things explicitly but let them go naturally. So saying "full service and (just) BJ" should be safe<? After verbal agreement of full service and if she didn't do _full service_, don't insist (and don't pay the tip), just leave quietly. Is there any other advices? Thanks.Just remove your clothing and lay on the table without placing a towel over year. I will usually just sit on the table facing them so they can see everything. That right there tells them you're not LE. An undercover cop can't commit a crime (undressing is a lewd act) in order to arrest someone for a crime. That said, a few cops have done just that and lied about it. But the vast majority of LE run things by the book, so this rarely happens.
Once I'm undressed, I tell them exactly what I want. Which is "No massage, let's get to the good stuff. Take you clothes off and get on the table. " I'll also reach out and touch their boob or ass to give the some reassurance. If they're resistant, I leave, knowing they're too uptight or spooked to perform acceptably for me. I've rarely had any gal turn me down during this situation.
CreamyBare
07-02-14, 02:29
. That right there tells them you're not LE. An undercover cop can't commit a crime (undressing is a lewd act) in order to arrest someone for a crime. .I don't know where you get this, but it is untrue.
Law Enforement is in fact even allowed to use drugs when working undercover.
Police are allowed to lie to you, to use drugs, to get naked, and even to fuck prostitutes. Note though that when they fuck a prostutite, they don't bust the prostitute. They are after the madam / pimp.
Nevertheless, the assumption that a guy pulls out his dick is therefore not a cop is absolutely, utterly false.
Dash Belli
07-02-14, 14:39
I don't know where you get this, but it is untrue.
Law Enforement is in fact even allowed to use drugs when working undercover.
Police are allowed to lie to you, to use drugs, to get naked, and even to fuck prostitutes. Note though that when they fuck a prostutite, they don't bust the prostitute. They are after the madam / pimp.
Nevertheless, the assumption that a guy pulls out his dick is therefore not a cop is absolutely, utterly false.My information comes directly from a friend who worked vice for many years. My cousin, a cop in NY, agrees with him. Like I said, a minority of cops blur the lines, but the majority of the arrests are clean because it's fairly easy to do so.
I don't know where you get this, but it is untrue.
Law Enforement is in fact even allowed to use drugs when working undercover.
Police are allowed to lie to you, to use drugs, to get naked, and even to fuck prostitutes. Note though that when they fuck a prostutite, they don't bust the prostitute. They are after the madam / pimp.
Nevertheless, the assumption that a guy pulls out his dick is therefore not a cop is absolutely, utterly false.Lie, for sure OK. Get naked, maybe not illegal but WAY WAY beneath the dignity of a cop to aid what is usually no more than a misdemeanor arrest for a victimless crime. Its rarely going to happen. Keep in mind that LE's job in the system is only to gather evidence and make arrests. Prosecutors have all the discretion when it comes to filing charges and bringing cases to trial, and no prosecutor wants to try a minor crime with evidence of naked cops having sex with some desperate immigrant girl. Neither do the judges or juries want to see cases like that. So this kind of LE behavior is deterred as a practical matter and there's no glory in it.
Cops can use snitches or hired 3rd parties who can get away with what cops can't or won't do. All they need is the recorded words of contract. I. e. Solicitation of sex for money. No dicks need to be hardened and no pussies need to be penetrated. Cop fucking a prostitute: I can't claim to know for certain if its legal or not but damn close to certain that it isn't. But if a cop is going to keep his goods covered 99.99% of the time, then he's not fucking anybody for the sake of a low level arrest either. I'd like to see how a judge and jury would react to that kind of evidence in a criminal trial. That's a tainted prosecution. Not happening.
It's a different story if your Donnie Brasco undercover as a made man trying to get evidence to bring down a major organized crime family and you fuck the Don's wife to get her to talk to you. But cops fucking for minor prostitution arrests, not happening.
I recall the prosecution of strip club owner Randy Welty (Tropical Lei, Flesh, Hawaii Theatre) a few years ago in San Bernardino following a bust of Flesh which was in that city. The cops were feverishly after this guy after he had dodged prior prosecutions the way John Gotti used to do in NYC federal court. They sent in hired "private detectives" not connected to the department and they brought in the evidence LE needed, but the case was nearly upended when it was revealed that the detectives had actually had sex with dancers at Flesh. They had actually been required to promise the cops that they wouldn't take it that far and would only gather the solicitation evidence. They had the recorded "words of contract" which was all they were commissioned to obtain, but still fucked the girls and why? Because they were fucking horny, and they admitted this! The case was nearly thrown out for this irregularity, but ultimately the judge let the the case move forward and Welty was convicted.
Another factor in this case is the investigation wasn't focused on busting dancers for solicitation, but nailing Welty for essentially being a pimp. But still the legitimacy of the 3rd party gathered evidence was seriously questioned and if I remember correctly, San Berdu actually considered prosecuting the detectives for crossing the line and possibly did so. But its pretty obvious where this would have gone if it was actual police officers who were testifying and presenting media of themselves doing the deed. Point is that this kind of LE behavior is vanishingly rare and can never be anticipated as a realistic scenario.
One more little sidebar: It is illegal in California for a massage therapist to massage a customer if they are not fully "draped" on the massage table. So these MPs are guilty of at least this minor violation if they lay a hand on your back while your bare butt stares them in the face. This is the real m. O. For LE going after MPs in SoCal. They just harass them to where they can't stay in business at a particular location via a series of minor busts that don't include any prostitution charges. Not properly draping patrons, condoms on premises, unlicensed therapists or licenses not prominently displayed, et al. It has been very infrequent in these times for MP providers to actually take a bust for solicitation.
Cres Prophet2
07-03-14, 09:58
Did Jenny from Long Beach change her number? Has anyone seen her this past week? ANy info on her?I haven't seen her in a while. Is she still providing? How do you get hold of her if her phone is disconnected?
I haven't seen her in a while. Is she still providing? How do you get hold of her if her phone is disconnected?Yes, any info is appreciated.
MovieLawGuy
07-03-14, 16:03
Lie, for sure OK. Get naked, maybe not illegal but WAY WAY beneath the dignity of a cop to aid what is usually no more than a misdemeanor arrest for a victimless crime. Its rarely going to happen. Keep in mind that LE's job in the system is only to gather evidence and make arrests. Prosecutors have all the discretion when it comes to filing charges and bringing cases to trial, and no prosecutor wants to try a minor crime with evidence of naked cops having sex with some desperate immigrant girl. Neither do the judges or juries want to see cases like that. So this kind of LE behavior is deterred as a practical matter and there's no glory in it.
Cops can use snitches or hired 3rd parties who can get away with what cops can't or won't do. All they need is the recorded words of contract. I. e. Solicitation of sex for money. No dicks need to be hardened and no pussies need to be penetrated. Cop fucking a prostitute: I can't claim to know for certain if its legal or not but damn close to certain that it isn't. But if a cop is going to keep his goods covered 99.99% of the time, then he's not fucking anybody for the sake of a low level arrest either. I'd like to see how a judge and jury would react to that kind of evidence in a criminal trial. That's a tainted prosecution. Not happening.
It's a different story if your Donnie Brasco undercover as a made man trying to get evidence to bring down a major organized crime family and you fuck the Don's wife to get her to talk to you. But cops fucking for minor prostitution arrests, not happening.
I recall the prosecution of strip club owner Randy Welty (Tropical Lei, Flesh, Hawaii Theatre) a few years ago in San Bernardino following a bust of Flesh which was in that city. The cops were feverishly after this guy after he had dodged prior prosecutions the way John Gotti used to do in NYC federal court. They sent in hired "private detectives" not connected to the department and they brought in the evidence LE needed, but the case was nearly upended when it was revealed that the detectives had actually had sex with dancers at Flesh. They had actually been required to promise the cops that they wouldn't take it that far and would only gather the solicitation evidence. They had the recorded "words of contract" which was all they were commissioned to obtain, but still fucked the girls and why? Because they were fucking horny, and they admitted this! The case was nearly thrown out for this irregularity, but ultimately the judge let the the case move forward and Welty was convicted.
Another factor in this case is the investigation wasn't focused on busting dancers for solicitation, but nailing Welty for essentially being a pimp. But still the legitimacy of the 3rd party gathered evidence was seriously questioned and if I remember correctly, San Berdu actually considered prosecuting the detectives for crossing the line and possibly did so. But its pretty obvious where this would have gone if it was actual police officers who were testifying and presenting media of themselves doing the deed. Point is that this kind of LE behavior is vanishingly rare and can never be anticipated as a realistic scenario.
One more little sidebar: It is illegal in California for a massage therapist to massage a customer if they are not fully "draped" on the massage table. So these MPs are guilty of at least this minor violation if they lay a hand on your back while your bare butt stares them in the face. This is the real m. O. For LE going after MPs in SoCal. They just harass them to where they can't stay in business at a particular location via a series of minor busts that don't include any prostitution charges. Not properly draping patrons, condoms on premises, unlicensed therapists or licenses not prominently displayed, et al. It has been very infrequent in these times for MP providers to actually take a bust for solicitation.With respect, you're not entirely correct. Cops around the country fuck prostitutes all the time. Here's one example of a state trying to make it illegal to fuck in the course of an investigation and the police backlash:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/hawaii-law-police-sex-with-prostitutes_n_5003715.html
Fitibikeco
07-03-14, 18:57
Because myredbook is not longer in service, anyone know any pregnant girl how need help or in the business.
I know it's strange but it is a personal fetish. Or a lactating pair of boobs!
Thanks!
Just remove your clothing and lay on the table without placing a towel over year. I will usually just sit on the table facing them so they can see everything. That right there tells them you're not LE. An undercover cop can't commit a crime (undressing is a lewd act) in order to arrest someone for a crime. That said, a few cops have done just that and lied about it. But the vast majority of LE run things by the book, so this rarely happens.
Once I'm undressed, I tell them exactly what I want. Which is "No massage, let's get to the good stuff. Take you clothes off and get on the table. " I'll also reach out and touch their boob or ass to give the some reassurance. If they're resistant, I leave, knowing they're too uptight or spooked to perform acceptably for me. I've rarely had any gal turn me down during this situation.Thanks for answering but all the answers unfortunately do not address the main question / concern. All the answers talk about how LE (can) bust AMP but not about the visitors.
The concern is: As a visitor going to the well known AMP, is there a chance to run into issue with LE (I am not worrying about the AMP at all and we are not talking about unknown street walker (potential undercover) here) ? If so, what are Dos and Don'ts to avoid it.
With respect, you're not entirely correct. Cops around the country fuck prostitutes all the time. Here's one example of a state trying to make it illegal to fuck in the course of an investigation and the police backlash:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/hawaii-law-police-sex-with-prostitutes_n_5003715.htmlI was only discussing the venue of this thread, Southern California. I don't even want to speculate about the other 49 states, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Virgin Islands! :
Also, I don't believe I asserted that I know for a fact that cops getting their fuck on is illegal and in fact stated scenarios where it very well may be legal and tolerated (that is the undercover in the mob scenario as an example. Something where the stakes are high enough to justify the behavior not to mention where the undercover's own safety may be compromised if he doesn't go along with peer pressure that comes with the undercover assignment).
My main point is that as a practical matter it isn't going to be happening in SoCal to get a misdemeanor collar on a working girl. Even if legal, prosecutors, judges and juries don't respect or want to charge and convict on this kind of evidence. It would be a scandal as it was in the example I cited involving the prosecution of Club Flesh. Cops having sex with prostitutes for a victimless crime bust leaves an intolerably unpleasant taste even in the mouths of anti-prostitution zealots. Nobody wants to see it or would condone it including ministers, rabbis, mayors, saints, polluters and environmentalists. Vice cops aren't even themselves anti-prostitution zealots, they are more typically lying hypocrites who just need the work and the funding.
When cops fuck sex workers in SoCal one of 2 scenarios are involved. The first is they are like you an I, paying for play as civilians because it's fun and makes them happy. The second are the corrupt sons of bitches who take advantage the girls by using the badge to extort free sessions, and that is a way too common scenario around here.
Thanks for answering but all the answers unfortunately do not address the main question / concern. All the answers talk about how LE (can) bust AMP but not about the visitors.
The concern is: As a visitor going to the well known AMP, is there a chance to run into issue with LE (I am not worrying about the AMP at all and we are not talking about unknown street walker (potential undercover) here) ? If so, what are Dos and Don'ts to avoid it.Yes there is a chance to run into an issue with LE but in Los Angeles the odds are similar to those of the Houston Astros to win the World Series for the next 5 years straight. It does happen slightly more frequently than leap year that some local PD will take over an MP with undercovers sending all the regular workers home, and turn the joint into a TV studio to capture customer solicitation on audio and video. Nobody's getting laid to make the case. Conversations will be invited and when the poor rube on the table finally says "I'll pay $60 for a BJ" the bust is on.
It is difficult for LE to pull this off in this area because basically, they'd need to have a bunch of asian female undercovers who can do a good job faking a strong accent or pretending they don't speak English. You don't see USA born caucasians or African Americans in the local MPs, and rarely do you even see USA born asian girls, though I've known several who came here very young and were essentially raised here and accents are minimal. USA born latinas at times, but a guy usually knows what ethnicity he's going to encounter when he walks in.
If you see white or AA girls working as managers or masseuses, you've either stepped into a sting operation or maybe you walked into Massage Envy by mistake. Turn around and leave. You can be absolutely sure that undercover FEMALE cops will not get naked or allow themselves to be fondled. The most they will do with your dick is catch a usually involuntary glimpse if it can't be avoided and they can't make a deal with you before you come out of your drawers. Probably won't even massage your back if you're naked though they may insist on applying the draping as many actual working girls do until they've decided that you aren't LE.
I know some guys on this site err on the side of caution and if anything in the place seems out of whack they turn around and leave. I once decided not to make an appointment when I called a favorite AMP and the call was answered by a caucasian sounding woman who read off a list of caucasian sounding female names as the day's roster. Told her the "therapist" I'm looking for is not on her list and said goodbye. Turned out I was over cautious and the place was business as usual according to my faves. Never a bad thing to err on the side of caution, but not something you can reasonably expect to encounter. At least if you're not a believer in the chances of the Houston Astros.
Christophe1
07-04-14, 02:54
Thanks for answering but all the answers unfortunately do not address the main question / concern. All the answers talk about how LE (can) bust AMP but not about the visitors.
The concern is: As a visitor going to the well known AMP, is there a chance to run into issue with LE (I am not worrying about the AMP at all and we are not talking about unknown street walker (potential undercover) here) ? If so, what are Dos and Don'ts to avoid it.Educate yourself to reduce it. Found this info with a simple search.
LEO was using retired officers back in the Inglewood days. I sorta remember being told they paid for FS, and had it during the preliminary investigations. Of course on the day of the raid, they just recorded the magic words sex acts for money), the masseuse was already familiar with the uc so didn't hesitate, the officers swarmed.
http://mosquedalaw.com/BewareMasseusesandMassageParlorOwnersofViceUndercoverOperations.htm
BEWARE MASSEUSES AND MASSAGE PARLOR OWNERS OF VICE UNDERCOVER OPERATIONS.
By:** Roman P. Mosqueda, Esq.
*.
*********** The City of Los Angeles has a proliferation of* Swiss and / or Thai massage parlors. * Young Thai or Swiss masseuses do body massage on* patrons for half hour at about $30.00 to $45.00, or an hour at about $50.00 to $60.00 or more.
*********** The LA Weekly and LA Express abound with advertisings of massage parlors. * **Some massage parlor owners team up with chiropractors, who do massages in their clinics by masseuses of various nationalities.
*.
Violations of Sections 647 (b).
*On Prostitution and 316 On Keeping.
A Prostitution House Of The Penal Code:
*********** The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) has a Detective Support & Vice Division that conducts prostitution investigations through undercover operations on massage parlors to determine violations:* (1)* of Section 647 (b) of the California Penal Code on solicitation, engaging, and agreement to engage in an act of prostitution and commission of an act in furtherance of the agreement; and (2) of Section 316 of said Penal Code on keeping an disorderly house for the purpose of prostitution or letting (leasing) any apartment or tenement to be used for prostitution.
*********** Violations of said Sections 647 (b) and 316 of the Penal Code are misdemeanor offenses, punishable by confinement in the county jail for not exceeding one (1) year and / or fine.
*********** Section 647 (b) thereof defines "prostitution" to include "any lewd act between persons for money or other consideration. ".
*.
Typical Vice Undercover.
Operation In Massage Parlor:
************A. **Conversation With Owner:
************ Vice undercover agents are trained in prostitution arrests by attending and completing the LAPD 40-hour vice school and formal roll call training sessions specific to prostitution (punished by said Section 647 (b)) and loitering for the purpose of prostitution (punished by Section 653.22 of the Penal Code), and lewd acts in public (punished by Section 647 (a) of the Penal Code). ********.
*********** In an actual criminal case handled by this Author at the Central Arraignment Court, Department 83, the Hon. Karla the. Kerlin, Presiding, on December 17,2008, the Arrest Report states the following investigation conversation between the Officer and the Thai owner of the massage parlor:
*********** "Defendant 1 (name withheld to protect his privacy):* Hello and welcome to****************************** (name of massage parlor)!
*********** Officer (name withheld to protect his privacy):* So you guys are (name of********************************************** massage parlor) also?
*********** Defendant 1:* Yes, we are combined as one. * We really got busy here so we**************************** decided to open another location.
*********** Officer:* Good. * How many girls do you have working today?
*********** Defendant 1:* I have two (2) here and three (3) downstairs.
*********** Officer:* So do the girls do anything different at each location?
*********** Defendant* 1:* They do the same just make you happy; I will give you the new girl so you can test her out!
*********** Officer:* I don't want to waste my money for nothing!
*********** Defendant 1:* If she don't take care of you let me know I have other girls here that will!
*********** Officer:* Okay I just want half / hour today because I am pushing for time!
*********** Defendant 1:* Okay $30.00!
*********** After the Officer paid with two (2) pre-recorded $20.00 bills, and Defendant 1 handed him $10.00 change, he was directed to a room and told to wait for the new girl.
************be. **Conversation With New Masseuse:
************ The new Thai girl had just arrived from Thailand about three (3) weeks earlier. * Wearing a red blouse with a yellow top and white pants (not the required uniform for licensed massage therapists), she entered the room and stated her name. * Her name is withheld to protect her privacy.
*********** She directed the undercover officer in plain clothes to remove his clothing. * The Officer, who has Department approval to disrobe, did so. * A client of this Author, she told this Author, that the Officer was covered by a towel.
*********** The following conversation between the Officer and the new masseuse is stated in the Arrest Report:
*********** Defendant 2:* Hi, my name is.
*********** Defendant 2* spoke very little English. * (Broken).
*********** Officer:* I have very little time today.
*********************** The Thai masseuse began to massage the Officer's upper back for******** approximately 1-3 minutes.
*********** Defendant 2:* So you come here a lot?
*********** Officer:* Just when I am stressed out at work!
*********** Defendant:* Want do you want today?
*********** Officer:* What can I get?
*********** Defendant 2:* Moving her right hand in an up / down motion. * I can't do anything else because you brought.
********************************* your cell phone inside.
*********** Officer:* So, all you can do is a hand job?
*********** Defendant 2:* Moved her head in an up / down motion.
*********** Officer:* So, how much for a hand job?
*********** Defendant 2:* $40.00.
*********** Officer:* Man, $40.00 for a hand job?
*********** Defendant 2:* I am new, I need to make money!
Arrests, Posting Of Bail.
And Release From Custody:
*********** Based on the actions and statements of the new Thai masseuse and the training and experience and results of the Officer's investigation, he formed the opinion that she was engaging in prostitution and had solicited him and agreed to perform sex acts in exchange for money.
*********** The arrest team and point / cover officers were notified that a violation had taken place. * Defendant No. 1, a part-time receptionist, who took the place of the owner who had left earlier after his conversation with the officer, was arrested for retrieving money, offering sexual favors, and having knowledge of the activity at the location, under said Section 316.
*********** And Defendant No. 2, the new Thai masseuse, was arrested for prostitution under said Section 647 (b). * Defendant No. 1 posted $500.00 cash bond and was released from custody; and Defendant No. 2 posted $2,000.00 cash bond, and was likewise released.
Arraignment Of Defendants No. 1.
And No. 2 At Central Arraignment.
Court (Departments 81 and 83):
*********** This Author was informed by the bailiff in Department 81 that the name of Defendant No. 1 was not in the court calendar for December 17,2008. * A check with the criminal law clerk at the Clerk's Office revealed that no complaint was filed by the City Attorney against him.
*********** Indeed, Defendant No 1 was and is not the owner of the massage parlor, only a part-time receptionist. * He was wrongly arrested. * The City Attorney apparently rejected the recommended charge under said Section 316. *****.
*********** Defendant No. 2 was charged with a Misdemeanor Complaint by the City Attorney, with Count I of loitering in a public place with the intent to commit prostitution under Section 653.22 of the Penal Code and Count II of soliciting, engaging, and agreeing to engage in prostitution under said Section 647 (b).
*.
Plea Bargaining And Sentencing.
Under Section 647 (h), Penal Code:
*********** This Author, informed the Deputy City Attorney assigned to Department 83 that his Thai masseuse client had told him that:* (1) the Officer tried to get her consent to do a hand job, but she refused; (2) she hardly speaks English, only three (3) weeks in the United States at the time of the incident; and (3) she has no prior arrest nor conviction.
*********** This Author also discussed the immigration consequences of conviction for prostitution, a crime involving moral turpitude, which the client insisted did not occur, with the Deputy City Attorney.
*********** Considering that it would be her word against that of a Vice Officer, and that the jury would likely believe the Officer over a Thai tourist, unlicensed masseuse, she agreed to plead no contest to the crime of loitering in a private property under Section 647 (h) of the Penal Code, not a crime involving moral turpitude, for no jail time, 24 months of summary probation, 10 days of Caltrans community work with two (2) days of credit, stay away from the massage parlor, aids education, and $245.00 of court fines.
*********** The understanding Deputy City Attorney agreed to the no contest plea to the added Count III, and dismissed Counts I and II. * The Thai masseuse was sentenced accordingly by Judge Karla the. Kerlin.
************(The Author, Roman P. Mosqueda, is a past participant of the Trial Advocacy Program (TAP) of the Los Angeles City Attorney's Office, a member of the California Public Defenders Association, and has practiced criminal defense for over twenty (20) years* in California.).
Yes there is a chance to run into an issue with LE but in Los Angeles the odds are similar to those of the Houston Astros to win the World Series for the next 5 years straight. It does happen slightly more frequently than leap year that some local PD will take over an MP with undercovers sending all the regular workers home, and turn the joint into a TV studio to capture customer solicitation on audio and video. Nobody's getting laid to make the case. Conversations will be invited and when the poor rube on the table finally says "I'll pay $60 for a BJ" the bust is on.
It is difficult for LE to pull this off in this area because basically, they'd need to have a bunch of asian female undercovers who can do a good job faking a strong accent or pretending they don't speak English. You don't see USA born caucasians or African Americans in the local MPs, and rarely do you even see USA born asian girls, though I've known several who came here very young and were essentially raised here and accents are minimal. USA born latinas at times, but a guy usually knows what ethnicity he's going to encounter when he walks in.
If you see white or AA girls working as managers or masseuses, you've either stepped into a sting operation or maybe you walked into Massage Envy by mistake. Turn around and leave. You can be absolutely sure that undercover FEMALE cops will not get naked or allow themselves to be fondled. The most they will do with your dick is catch a usually involuntary glimpse if it can't be avoided and they can't make a deal with you before you come out of your drawers. Probably won't even massage your back if you're naked though they may insist on applying the draping as many actual working girls do until they've decided that you aren't LE.
I know some guys on this site err on the side of caution and if anything in the place seems out of whack they turn around and leave. I once decided not to make an appointment when I called a favorite AMP and the call was answered by a caucasian sounding woman who read off a list of caucasian sounding female names as the day's roster. Told her the "therapist" I'm looking for is not on her list and said goodbye. Turned out I was over cautious and the place was business as usual according to my faves. Never a bad thing to err on the side of caution, but not something you can reasonably expect to encounter. At least if you're not a believer in the chances of the Houston Astros.I don't believe in the chances of the Houston Astros! With that, let's err on the side of caution! Thanks Camel!
With respect, you're not entirely correct. Cops around the country fuck prostitutes all the time. Here's one example of a state trying to make it illegal to fuck in the course of an investigation and the police backlash:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/hawaii-law-police-sex-with-prostitutes_n_5003715.htmlSorry to beat on this horse one more time. I already responded to MovieLawGuy's comment above and I didn't see a response that he did that has been deleted by the Admin.
I just want to make a final observation that the link MLG cited above goes contrary to his assertion that police around the country fuck prostitutes all the time. Speaking in the context of actual condoned law enforcement and not corruption. We know they corruptly fuck prostitutes all the time.
If you read the Huffington article MLG linked, it indicates that Hawaii is the ONLY jurisdiction in the USA That may permit a police undercover to have sex with the subject of a prostitution investigation, and many there are trying to end the practice though also indicating its hardly if ever been exercised. The article runs exactly contrary to MLG's statement that it's happening all over the country all the time. The final key quote in the article as follows:
Skeptics (skeptical of the authority provided by Hawaii's law), such as Roger Young, a retired special agent who for more than 20 years worked sex crimes for the FBI from Las Vegas and has trained vice squads around the country, remain unconvinced.
Young said Thursday, "I don't know of any state or federal law that allows any law enforcement officer undercover to penetrate or do what this (Hawaii) law is allowing".
Educate yourself to reduce it. Found this info with a simple search.
LEO was using retired officers back in the Inglewood days. I sorta remember being told they paid for FS, and had it during the preliminary investigations. Of course on the day of the raid, they just recorded the magic words sex acts for money), the masseuse was already familiar with the uc so didn't hesitate, the officers swarmed.
http://mosquedalaw.com/BewareMasseusesandMassageParlorOwnersofViceUndercoverOperations.htm
************(The Author, Roman P. Mosqueda, is a past participant of the Trial Advocacy Program (TAP) of the Los Angeles City Attorney's Office, a member of the California Public Defenders Association, and has practiced criminal defense for over twenty (20) years* in California.).Hi Christophe.
I have been looking around and saw that you are quite active on the LACAP forum and at the time of my browsing you are moderating on the thread. You seem to know quite a few of them personally too from the posts I have read (My hat off to you!) (oh your writing also is good! I have also been browsing a bit else where and someone complain about the provider promoting aggressively and him getting such message at work meeting. I was wondering if we can use some secure tools to prevent that. A secure communication. Now I know that when LE take over the whole business for Sting like Camel describe, you can't do much. Still. I have recently heard of the smartphone app Threema. I don't know if it will help. Anyhow here are more info on the app.
https://threema.ch/
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/threema/id578665578?mt=8
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.threema.app&hl=en
http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/21/bye-bye-whatsapp-germans-switch-to-threema-for-privacy-reasons/
Justn Beaver
07-06-14, 13:03
Happy 6th of July.
* Considering that it would be her word against that of a Vice Officer, and that the jury would likely believe the Officer over a Thai tourist, unlicensed masseuse, she agreed to plead no contest to the crime of loitering in a private property under Section 647 (h) of the Penal Code, not a crime involving moral turpitude, for no jail time, 24 months of summary probation, 10 days of Caltrans community work with two (2) days of credit, stay away from the massage parlor, aids education, and $245.00 of court fines.
""So how much did this cost the city etc. Or a HJ by a girl who was willing to make some money. Time resources wasted. ".
CreamyBare
07-06-14, 20:19
My information comes directly from a friend who worked vice for many years. My cousin, a cop in NY, agrees with him. Like I said, a minority of cops blur the lines, but the majority of the arrests are clean because it's fairly easy to do so.Your comments are anecdotal at best. I am a former journalist / columnist. My main subject of interest is civil liberties, and I've done quite a lot of research in this specific area.
Other posts in is thread have demonstrated the point: police are allowed (normally with prior administrative approval) to engage in activities to maintain their cover, including but not limited to using drugs, getting naked, and having sex.
The Supreme Court has upheld this, and there are plenty of times that law enforcement agencies have inserted "agent provocateurs" (see FBI cointelpro).
Hi.
Any suggestions on motels in the Los Angeles / Burbank / North Hollywood / Van Nuys areas that would rent for a few hrs? Can you PM me please?
AF.
NighTowl85
07-22-14, 02:36
Is Jenny from long beach sill active? Has anyone seen her this month or last month?
What do they mean when the girls in the ads say they are a spinner?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spinner
Jack Reacher
07-22-14, 11:50
Is Jenny from long beach sill active? Has anyone seen her this month or last month?She is not active.
What do they mean when the girls in the ads say they are a spinner?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spinnerMy understanding of a spinner is a very petite girl. The term comes from the ability to "spin" her on your shaft.
Cres Prophet2
07-22-14, 12:55
She is not active.My guess was she changed numbers without forwarding the change on.
Went from UTR to civie again.
Hi, I'm hosting a bachelor party in Los Angeles and needs two strippers. If anyone here can suggest two girls or a reliable agency, I would be much obliged. Thank you!
Curent LA Best Practice to avoid MILF AMP / LE.
1) Should one disrobe prior to seeing the therapist?
2) What is the best way to reject MILF at AMP without hurting feelings?
3) What is the best current safe practice at AMP?
4) Thanks for considering my questions.
Does anyone have a guess as to the percentage of MILF in AMP practice in LA?
Your comments are anecdotal at best. I am a former journalist / columnist. My main subject of interest is civil liberties, and I've done quite a lot of research in this specific area.
Other posts in is thread have demonstrated the point: police are allowed (normally with prior administrative approval) to engage in activities to maintain their cover, including but not limited to using drugs, getting naked, and having sex.
The Supreme Court has upheld this, and there are plenty of times that law enforcement agencies have inserted "agent provocateurs" (see FBI cointelpro).
Christophe1
07-23-14, 11:59
"NASTY NASTY NASTY. She has got to be the hottest, kinkiest cum swallowing Latina in the GB scene today. This is going to be so fucking fun and you are invited."
334482 334483.
I was all ready to go to my first GB party. Hurrah !
This place seems to always have pretty women ready to take dicks in all their holes. True genuine cum guzzling Hoes. Anyone have a review of this place (Please PM).
334488 334489.
I was on my way to burst my GB cherry when I finally got a call from a lady I've been trying to dig out. Left before entering and with my GB cherry still intact, to date my barely bleeping UTR friend. Here are two Asian ladies with great legs.
Needless to say I've been busy.
Dildo Baggens
07-23-14, 12:14
#1 Disrobing is not against the law in most municipalities. So go ahead and disrobe, lay face down with the towel covering your arse.
#2 Most MILFS at AMP's are pretty thick skinned, they know the territory they work in, so it's pretty hard to hurt their feelings as long as you show respect. Make it clear that you would like a younger provider before you even hand the money over for the session. If they oblige, ask to see the provider. If your're not happy with their line up, say no thank you and leave. It's your money. Remember that.
#3. Never discuss sexually explicit details until during the session she makes the first move, (Usually it's very apparent, they'll touch your balls and rub them gently).
# 4 Your welcome. Read this forum and you'll never have to worry about LE.
I'm not sure about your last question as far as % of Milfs. That depends on your definition of MILF. 28 and over? 35 and Over?? I would say the majority are in their 30's
Baggens.
Curent LA Best Practice to avoid MILF AMP / LE.
1) Should one disrobe prior to seeing the therapist?
2) What is the best way to reject MILF at AMP without hurting feelings?
3) What is the best current safe practice at AMP?
4) Thanks for considering my questions.
Does anyone have a guess as to the percentage of MILF in AMP practice in LA?
PeaceMillion
07-23-14, 13:51
"NASTY NASTY NASTY. She has got to be the hottest, kinkiest cum swallowing Latina in the GB scene today. This is going to be so fucking fun and you are invited."
334482 334483.
I was all ready to go to my first GB party. Hurrah !
This place seems to always have pretty women ready to take dicks in all their holes. True genuine cum guzzling Hoes. Anyone have a review of this place (Please PM).
334488 334489.
.Where did you meet the latina with the hat? She is beautiful. Please let me know. Also are you referring to el classificado?
Young Lady Ratio at AMP (25 % ?):
What are the odds of finding Young Lady (18 to 30 real age) in the Southern California region and are some areas (SGV or GG) more likely to have better odds. MILFS would be the 40+, Mid band being 30 to 40 with overlap.
Would it help to know the native language of the providers at AMP to find young talent in LA or that is not an issue in Southern California? Backpage.com is full of young ladies and no mention of Mid or MILFS. It begs to ask the question why have the MILFS in the AMP in the first place. Beauty comes in all ages but having tissue hanging on the bones is just gross by any standard. Unless no return business is expected on certain clients by design and just take the money due to lacking communication and experience skills.
Other ISG MLIF comments:
If it's a 40 something ajumma milf yer looking to get, forget, those belong to a previous gold digging era. Nowadays, younger chicks have a different way of thinking (more on par with us).
Response Clarification:
]#1 Disrobing is not against the law in most municipalities. So go ahead and disrobe, lay face down with the towel covering your arse.
Would it be too risky to sit naked at the end of the table and greet the provider by standing and saying "Hello. ".
In case no pre-viewing was provided and in the MILF the case to kindly request mamasan for a change or refund and come back some other time when younger ladies are available. The message being "Make it clear that you would like a younger provider" and be respectful.
Thanks again for the insights.
#1 Disrobing is not against the law in most municipalities. So go ahead and disrobe, lay face down with the towel covering your arse.
#2 Most MILFS at AMP's are pretty thick skinned, they know the territory they work in, so it's pretty hard to hurt their feelings as long as you show respect. Make it clear that you would like a younger provider before you even hand the money over for the session. If they oblige, ask to see the provider. If your're not happy with their line up, say no thank you and leave. It's your money. Remember that.
#3. Never discuss sexually explicit details until during the session she makes the first move, (Usually it's very apparent, they'll touch your balls and rub them gently).
# 4 Your welcome. Read this forum and you'll never have to worry about LE.
I'm not sure about your last question as far as % of Milfs. That depends on your definition of MILF. 28 and over? 35 and Over?? I would say the majority are in their 30's
Baggens.
Dildo Baggens
07-23-14, 18:17
I'm currently trying out a couple Viet places in my area, where most of the women are under 30, with great bodies. I've been to these places about 4 times, so it wouldn't be too brazen of me to sit on the corner of the table using my dick as a plumb bob as we greet, However, that's not my style, but I'm sure guys do that sort of thing. In my previous post, it was in the context of a first visit.
It's not out of line to ask for a line up before any funds change hands. If they're not cooperative, don't feel guilty about leaving. This is your hard, (unless your a Trust fund baby) earned money. The onus is on them not you. Just be courteous and polite. If they pull this kind of deceptive behavior and it's not rewarded, they'll either change or go out of business.
I'm a little curious though. You are a senior member and these are typical questions asked by Newbies, so I don't understand why you don't have knowledge of the " WAYS".
Baggens.
Young Lady Ratio at AMP (25 % ?):
What are the odds of finding Young Lady (18 to 30 real age) in the Southern California region and are some areas (SGV or GG) more likely to have better odds. MILFS would be the 40+, Mid band being 30 to 40 with overlap.
Would it help to know the native language of the providers at AMP to find young talent in LA or that is not an issue in Southern California? Backpage.com is full of young ladies and no mention of Mid or MILFS. It begs to ask the question why have the MILFS in the AMP in the first place. Beauty comes in all ages but having tissue hanging on the bones is just gross by any standard. Unless no return business is expected on certain clients by design and just take the money due to lacking communication and experience skills.
Other ISG MLIF comments:
If it's a 40 something ajumma milf yer looking to get, forget, those belong to a previous gold digging era. Nowadays, younger chicks have a different way of thinking (more on par with us).
Response Clarification:
]#1 Disrobing is not against the law in most municipalities. So go ahead and disrobe, lay face down with the towel covering your arse.
Would it be too risky to sit naked at the end of the table and greet the provider by standing and saying "Hello. ".
In case no pre-viewing was provided and in the MILF the case to kindly request mamasan for a change or refund and come back some other time when younger ladies are available. The message being "Make it clear that you would like a younger provider" and be respectful.
Thanks again for the insights.
I like to report on little subtle observations I make in this hobby and try to make sense of them so The other day one of my newer ladies hit me up for some $. I wasn't in the mood for action so I just helped her out a little knowing I'll get it back next time. Anyway, I drove to her gave her a small gift and a ride she asked for a short distance away. I noticed that instead of being appreciative of what I was doing, she got all quiet and looking at me in a strange, uncomfortable way. I didn't think much of it at the time, I thought maybe she was in a bad mood or something.
Later on I realized that I'm probably the only guy that would go out of my way to help her out like that and to her, that's out of the ordinary. She was probably looking at me suspiciously thinking I had some hidden agenda or something. Most of these girls are so psychologically disturbed and have been getting fucked in every which direction in their lives so they look at anything positive that someone does for them with a suspicious eye. They've been so mishandled that they have trust for no one and if you try to do something to help them, they will not only be unappreciative but will look at you suspiciously. I say fuck that, no more helping. Unfortunately most are beyond help.
] First Visit MLIFS/AMP:
Yes, newbie question for sure as you have indicated. Have I read Camel's posting available on ISG ? The answer is yes. Did I miss something ? Yes, lack Camel's experience and insight. Did I research MILF/AMP ? No
I hope some one else can benefit from this post and your insights plus CAMEL's too (Happy Birthday)
I'm currently trying out a couple Viet places in my area, where most of the women are under 30, with great bodies. I've been to these places about 4 times, so it wouldn't be too brazen of me to sit on the corner of the table using my dick as a plumb bob as we greet, However, that's not my style, but I'm sure guys do that sort of thing. In my previous post, it was in the context of a first visit.
It's not out of line to ask for a line up before any funds change hands. If they're not cooperative, don't feel guilty about leaving. This is your hard, (unless your a Trust fund baby) earned money. The onus is on them not you. Just be courteous and polite. If they pull this kind of deceptive behavior and it's not rewarded, they'll either change or go out of business.
I'm a little curious though. You are a senior member and these are typical questions asked by Newbies, so I don't understand why you don't have knowledge of the " WAYS".
Baggens.
CreamyBare
07-24-14, 02:42
I like to report on little subtle observations I make in this hobby and try to make sense of them so The other day one of my newer ladies hit me up for some $. I wasn't in the mood for action so I just helped her out a little knowing I'll get it back next time. Anyway, I drove to her gave her a small gift and a ride she asked for a short distance away. I noticed that instead of being appreciative of what I was doing, she got all quiet and looking at me in a strange, uncomfortable way. I didn't think much of it at the time, I thought maybe she was in a bad mood or something.
Later on I realized that I'm probably the only guy that would go out of my way to help her out like that and to her, that's out of the ordinary. She was probably looking at me suspiciously thinking I had some hidden agenda or something. Most of these girls are so psychologically disturbed and have been getting fucked in every which direction in their lives so they look at anything positive that someone does for them with a suspicious eye. They've been so mishandled that they have trust for no one and if you try to do something to help them, they will not only be unappreciative but will look at you suspiciously. I say fuck that, no more helping. Unfortunately most are beyond help.I dunno man, I wouldn't read that much into her silence. She might be focused in some other crap she has to deal with.
I am NOT a captain save-a-ho but that said, I always helpful (within limits) to working girls until they prove they are not worthy (I. E. They go batshit crazy, steal shit, pull knifes on bartenders, you know the drill).
I wasn't there in the above situation. But keep in mind that people respond to unfamiliar situations with stillness. We don't have "flight or fight". The real response tree to unfamiliar situations is:
Freeze.
Flight.
Fight.
And in that order. If you were just helping, and she didn't know how to respond, she'd most likely go into freeze mode, simply from not knowing any other way to act, this is most especially true for someone under 25.
Christophe1
07-24-14, 12:18
Where did you meet the latina with the hat? She is beautiful. Please let me know. Also are you referring to el classificado?Latina with a hat? No this one cannot be found in the El Classificado. I will send you a pm with the enclosed information to join the private club to get access to GB parties in the local Los Angeles area. It appears that every Friday they have 2 or 3 women that are ready to fulfill their Gang Bang fantasies. Not sure if I want to ever go but it's a fun idea to toy with.
I can't see myself k9 ing a lady and high fiving the dude getting his dick sucked on the other end while she is hand jobbing another bloke. Anyway not going this Friday, but here are the two girls scheduled.
If anyone else is interested in info just ask. I will expect a report in the morning though.
Poon Hound
07-24-14, 17:53
I like to report on little subtle observations I make in this hobby and try to make sense of them so The other day one of my newer ladies hit me up for some $. I wasn't in the mood for action so I just helped her out a little knowing I'll get it back next time. Anyway, I drove to her gave her a small gift and a ride she asked for a short distance away. I noticed that instead of being appreciative of what I was doing, she got all quiet and looking at me in a strange, uncomfortable way. I didn't think much of it at the time, I thought maybe she was in a bad mood or something.
Later on I realized that I'm probably the only guy that would go out of my way to help her out like that and to her, that's out of the ordinary. She was probably looking at me suspiciously thinking I had some hidden agenda or something. Most of these girls are so psychologically disturbed and have been getting fucked in every which direction in their lives so they look at anything positive that someone does for them with a suspicious eye. They've been so mishandled that they have trust for no one and if you try to do something to help them, they will not only be unappreciative but will look at you suspiciously. I say fuck that, no more helping. Unfortunately most are beyond help.I recently was dealing with a girl that I really wanted to get to know (Big mistake.) I seen her a couple times for quick sessions. Those little convos along w / the amazing sex had me curious. Find out she has no daddy And needs to just sort some stuff out. So I plan to meet again for long msog session. I had for the most part a good time but she dumped so much shit on me (had my head spinnin!) She was giving GFE but then asking for financial favors And overall trying to con me. It was like she was constantly 2 diff people. I still think about her And tried to Text but no response. I think she knows where I stand so that is prob the end of it (which is for the best.).
The less I know the better, on to the next one. It sux because some of these girls are pretty And deep down good people but (untill they get loads of prof. Help) no one can help them.
Latina with a hat? No this one cannot be found in the El Classificado. I will send you a pm with the enclosed information to join the private club to get access to GB parties in the local Los Angeles area. It appears that every Friday they have 2 or 3 women that are ready to fulfill their Gang Bang fantasies. Not sure if I want to ever go but it's a fun idea to toy with.
I can't see myself k9 ing a lady and high fiving the dude getting his dick sucked on the other end while she is hand jobbing another bloke. Anyway not going this Friday, but here are the two girls scheduled.
If anyone else is interested in info just ask. I will expect a report in the morning though.Hey Chris, our MILF from Studio City msged me today to hook up. Unfortunately, I've satisfied my MILF fix recently so maybe you could go keep her company.
I recently was dealing with a girl that I really wanted to get to know (Big mistake.) I seen her a couple times for quick sessions. Those little convos along w / the amazing sex had me curious. Find out she has no daddy And needs to just sort some stuff out. So I plan to meet again for long msog session. I had for the most part a good time but she dumped so much shit on me (had my head spinnin!) She was giving GFE but then asking for financial favors And overall trying to con me. It was like she was constantly 2 diff people. I still think about her And tried to Text but no response. I think she knows where I stand so that is prob the end of it (which is for the best.).
The less I know the better, on to the next one. It sux because some of these girls are pretty And deep down good people but (untill they get loads of prof. Help) no one can help them.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. I think like anything, habits / addictions getting too comfortable with something are all difficult to break out of. I have a helping personality by nature. I'm not cpt. Save a ho trying to get them out of the business but if they ask for a favor here and there, my first instinct is to help. Most will take advantage of the situation and will actually give you less in return strange as it seems. It's as if they see you in a different light and that fucks with the encounter and what you were there originally for. It's natural to get to know the person but I'm going to keep it more businesslike from now on with these girls. Like you said, most are beyond help by normal guys. I'm constantly seeing how different my lifestyle is with theirs and knows that there's just no hope trying to change anything (again, not that I want to). And by all means, I'm quoting here but don't trust anything that bleeds and doesn't die.
I've said this many times but I think it's worth repeating again. These girls are just about the $, always on the lookout for the next payout. Even if you and her had an amazing time, it's the $ that brings her to you, not your charm, looks, personality, kindness etc etc. If you want women to come to you for your traits, join a dating site and go through that circus for some pussy.
I occasionally will veer into the dating world just to keep my game and senses sharp because if you're with working girls for too long, you will forget how to actually talk to / date / pickup women and start seeing all women as working girls with a price tag over their head (only if you care for those things).
HollywoodGuy
07-25-14, 03:37
if you're with working girls for too long, you will forget how to actually talk to / date / pickup women and start seeing all women as working girls with a price tag over their head (only if you care for those things).They all have a price tag over their head. It's just that the working girls price is so much more affordable. You have obviously never been married or lived with someone for 5 years lets say or more. This is bargain basement for top quality sex.
Poon Hound
07-25-14, 17:59
True statements by both hollywood And seephor. I have never stopped messing w / reg girls. Ill bag a chick wheneverthe opportunity arises. No need to actively jump into some sort of dating pool. I'm sick at the thought. And never been in a relationship longer than 2 yrs (five yrs sounds like an eternity let alone marriage.).
I just don't look down on working girls (I'm the reason they are even in business.) All girls think about money And being taken care of. Once I figured that out, p4 p didn't bother me. As well as being introduced into this by multiple buddies. From Tijuana trips, to AMPs, And then SW. All dudes, just like all women, think alike. I guess its all about when you've had your fill.
Sucker Bill
07-25-14, 21:19
They all have a price tag over their head. It's just that the working girls price is so much more affordable. You have obviously never been married or lived with someone for 5 years lets say or more. This is bargain basement for top quality sex.I have been trying to explain this to guys for years. Just the cost of the engagement ring and the wedding is enough to keep you in top-quality hookers for a decade. I had a friend spend $30,000 for a marriage that lasted 2 1/2 years. If you got two $100 hookers per week, you could fuck two different hotties each week for three years. I'm sure a marriage that lasted for 2 1/2 years wasn't exactly packed with great sex. He was lucky he didn't have a house she could take.
I have had two live-in girlfriends and the amount of money you spend on them goes up as the sex goes down. Marriage is even worse. Ten years of marriage gets you kids and a fat wife you don't even want to touch any more, and the cost just grows and grows with mini vans and braces and vacations that suck. The house you have to buy to accommodate your three kids costs way more than the cool deluxe apartment you can rent to host your afternoon fuckfests. Hookers and bar skanks never want to know where this relationship is heading. They get what they want and you get what you want and I would happily take care of a regular girl if she stopped trying to drain me of every single cent I earn and then some. This is why greedy hookers don't last. We all talk about wanting the GFE, but the reason we go to hookers is because our girlfriends and wives don't deliver what we really want. We don't want GFE from hookers. We really want the hooker experience from our wives and girlfriends.
St Stephen
07-26-14, 13:13
I have been trying to explain this to guys for years. Just the cost of the engagement ring and the wedding is enough to keep you in top-quality hookers for a decade. I had a friend spend $30,000 for a marriage that lasted 2 1/2 years. If you got two $100 hookers per week, you could fuck two different hotties each week for three years. I'm sure a marriage that lasted for 2 1/2 years wasn't exactly packed with great sex. He was lucky he didn't have a house she could take.
I have had two live-in girlfriends and the amount of money you spend on them goes up as the sex goes down. Marriage is even worse. Ten years of marriage gets you kids and a fat wife you don't even want to touch any more, and the cost just grows and grows with mini vans and braces and vacations that suck. The house you have to buy to accommodate your three kids costs way more than the cool deluxe apartment you can rent to host your afternoon fuckfests. Hookers and bar skanks never want to know where this relationship is heading. They get what they want and you get what you want and I would happily take care of a regular girl if she stopped trying to drain me of every single cent I earn and then some. This is why greedy hookers don't last. We all talk about wanting the GFE, but the reason we go to hookers is because our girlfriends and wives don't deliver what we really want. We don't want GFE from hookers. We really want the hooker experience from our wives and girlfriends.I spent my 30's doing coke and hookers. By the time I got sober and my life together I was too old for kids (I didn't want to raise teenage kids in my 60's) I could see no reason for marriage. Most of my married friends are not happy and have wives that they don't want to fuck because they have become unattractive or they are such bitches they don't want to have sex with them. I would rather pay up front and not hassle with women and all their issues. I love women for friends and sex, but I don't want all the baggage that goes with a relationship.
HollywoodGuy
07-26-14, 16:29
I spent my 30's doing coke and hookers. By the time I got sober and my life together I was too old for kids (I didn't want to raise teenage kids in my 60's) I could see no reason for marriage. Most of my married friends are not happy and have wives that they don't want to fuck because they have become unattractive or they are such bitches they don't want to have sex with them. I would rather pay up front and not hassle with women and all their issues. I love women for friends and sex, but I don't want all the baggage that goes with a relationship.Just watch any of those housewives shows if you think you might want to get married.
Hi.
Anyone know this girl. Destinee and plays volleyball and athletic butt? Do you have a pic?
AF.
Poon Hound
07-27-14, 19:04
Anyone that's willing to play in sanberdoo chech my post http://www.USASexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?7063-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=2166298&viewfull=1#post2166298.
There is truth to all being said in this discussion. We all want sex without complications. My beef with the system is why can't a woman offer her services if she wants to? The only concern should be exploitation and coercion.
.....I would rather pay up front and not hassle with women and all their issues. I love women for friends and sex, but I don't want all the baggage that goes with a relationship.
Can you PM the details?
"NASTY NASTY NASTY. She has got to be the hottest, kinkiest cum swallowing Latina in the GB scene today. This is going to be so fucking fun and you are invited."
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I was all ready to go to my first GB party. Hurrah !
This place seems to always have pretty women ready to take dicks in all their holes. True genuine cum guzzling Hoes. Anyone have a review of this place (Please PM).
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I was on my way to burst my GB cherry when I finally got a call from a lady I've been trying to dig out. Left before entering and with my GB cherry still intact, to date my barely bleeping UTR friend. Here are two Asian ladies with great legs.
Needless to say I've been busy.
PeaceMillion
07-28-14, 12:10
Latina with a hat? No this one cannot be found in the El Classificado. I will send you a pm with the enclosed information to join the private club to get access to GB parties in the local Los Angeles area. It appears that every Friday they have 2 or 3 women that are ready to fulfill their Gang Bang fantasies. Not sure if I want to ever go but it's a fun idea to toy with.
I can't see myself k9 ing a lady and high fiving the dude getting his dick sucked on the other end while she is hand jobbing another bloke. Anyway not going this Friday, but here are the two girls scheduled.
If anyone else is interested in info just ask. I will expect a report in the morning though.60 donation in an envelope with your email address written on the back. They have a flake list, I'm on it now. This past weekend the address was to a house in Highland Park. Some of these girls are beautiful thou! (Was checking previous posts) there are complaints that not enough guys go and what keeps me interested is that they promote GB's with married women, idk why but I like that. So that's my Monday report.
Christophe1
07-28-14, 22:35
60 donation in an envelope with your email address written on the back. They have a flake list, I'm on it now. This past weekend the address was to a house in Highland Park. Some of these girls are beautiful thou! (Was checking previous posts) there are complaints that not enough guys go and what keeps me interested is that they promote GB's with married women, idk why but I like that. So that's my Monday report.You walk in there like you own the place. Smile and greet the host, don your favorite monogrammed robe, introduce yourself to everyone with a good firm handshake, bring lots of lube, and start off with a joke.
Christophe1's Top 10 Things to say at a Gang Bang party.
1. "Hey guys! Where do I fit in?"
2. Yo! I got condoms for sale in the back.
3. (Recent immigrant) I got cheaper ones slightly used.
4. Hey! They just told me the last guy is going to clean the mess.
5. Scream "OH MY GOD!" Then run out crying.
6. Look at the girl and say, "Damn that's a big used pussy. "
7. "I just came back from Nigeria. "
8. While making small talk near lady. "The last girl here was so much better. "
9. "Thank God I brought the ShamWow. ".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WkrYyezHhg
10. Someone else fill in the blank.
This seems perfect. Any gotchas?
60 donation in an envelope with your email address written on the back. They have a flake list, I'm on it now. This past weekend the address was to a house in Highland Park. Some of these girls are beautiful thou! (Was checking previous posts) there are complaints that not enough guys go and what keeps me interested is that they promote GB's with married women, idk why but I like that. So that's my Monday report.
Christophe1
07-29-14, 15:25
This seems perfect. Any gotchas?If anyone is on the fence, take your butt down there. I shared this info with at least 7 of you, and two others have reported visits. And they've both gone back. So now there's a whole USA army dipping their swords to save a poor damsel in distress. She needs your goo.
Sadly, I won't be able to make it today, but where ever there's a pussy to be fucked, I'll be there in spirit.
Stopped by a little after they started.
First time experience in this mongering arena.
So I was a bit nervous.
Getting in was easy. Gave my donation to the guy at the door. Went back to the bedroom.
2 girls in back were getting pounded.
One skinny the other not fat but "average".
The tattooed girl had some kind of cat tattooed on her cooch.
Got a bank to start from the thicker one, put On the protection.
And went for the skinny girl T. She seemed a little out if it, but she let me do her mish and doggy, though it was difficult with JR being so damned uncooperative. She seemed to just be there to be a dick receptive though.
She let me play with her kitty as did the thicker girl, who seemed to really be into getting drilled hard.
She was using her head for one hot dog while I was filling her up from the other side.
JR then decided to go on strike, but I had one hand blasting her while I finished myself off by hand.
Cleaned up a little in the bathroom, but I would recommend bringing your own cleanup kit and lots of extra protection in case you can go more than once. Seems you are welcome to stay the full 2 hours if you like, but JR was having none of it. (Where does one get those anyway?
Not sure if I would return or not. Maybe if I need the little blue pill, and with maybe some loads of extra protection.
The girls looked like they have seen cleaner days, so maybe if the girls change that would entice me back.
Overall it was an interesting hobby experience! Thanks Christophe for the heads up to it!
CreamyBare
07-29-14, 18:16
Stopped by a little after they started.
First time experience in this mongering arena.
Getting in was easy. Gave my donation to the guy at the door. Went back to the bedroom.
-----SNIP---
and with maybe some loads of extra protection.
The girls looked like they have seen cleaner days, so maybe if the girls change that would entice me back.
Overall it was an interesting hobby experience! Thanks Christophe for the heads up to it!Nice trip report. Was protection required? Or were other guys doing bare and leaving creampies?
Seafor has laid out the details very nicely and accurately, so there is no need to repeat. I enjoyed myself and like the unrushed sex. Also, the girls had very nice attitudes and very cooperative.
One has to like the GB scene to get into this.
Anyone know of other GB groups please do PM me.
Poon Hound
07-29-14, 21:41
Ok, my current atf is needing some help, so said she is willing to outcall (overnight available / rates neg.) I can't stress enuff how good a provider she is! Anyone who had lb Jenny, well she tops that! Only she prob won't do $ hr And def won't bb. That being said, she blows probably anyone away (except nikki of course) in BJ! 5 ft dynamo that really likes to fuck! Pound her, pick her up, hair pull And dirty talk!
Starting rates (neg) . 8/15 min /1. 2 hh.
SENIORS ONLY.
Poon Hound
07-29-14, 21:56
Yeah, forgot to say, only here shortly because (of course) -she's from the bay.
Jack Reacher
07-29-14, 22:09
Yeah, forgot to say, only here shortly because (of course) -she's from the bay.How fat is she? Looks fat.
Nice trip report. Was protection required? Or were other guys doing bare and leaving creampies?The girls insisted on BBJ because they hate the taste of latex. Beyond that everything was covered.
(off-topic).
If anyone can help me find a doctor who is liberal in the blue pill rx department, let me know. Every time I go to a doc, I get nixed on my request unless I also take BP meds. Going to any mongering experience excited to try something and not being able to do much at all is a total drag. Curse JR. We've been together 37 years and now he pulls this crap more and more often. =/.
If anyone can help me find a doctor who is liberal in the blue pill rx department, let me know. Every time I go to a doc, I get nixed on my request unless I also take BP meds. Going to any mongering experience excited to try something and not being able to do much at all is a total drag. Curse JR. We've been together 37 years and now he pulls this crap more and more often. =/.Try a urologist? I just inquired about the compatibility of the various "enhancement" meds with my status and she (the nurse practitioner, who was taking that particular appointment) started throwing samples at me. Next visit she asked me about them and I mentioned I kind of liked the "see" - she pulled out about 10 sample packs and gave them to me.
Not sure about the blood pressure meds. Do you have high BP?
Poon Hound
07-30-14, 02:18
Jack, its because she's 5 ft nothing LOL! I remember they thought Jenny was fat w / them big ass titties! I was pleasantky surprised (curvy just how I like it!) The way she sux / fux makes you forget about anything else!
Hey Seafor, might be able to help, I work for a specialty group that deals mainly with ED and premature ejaculation, perks? Free meds. Well certain ones. I stay away from the orals just because of the side effects and lack of consistency. If you want the gold standard, its injections. Doesn't hurt and reliable. See your URO about trimix and quadmix, you really can't beat it. If your like me, (I get super nervous / anxious) and lose my erections, this will make sure it stays after 2-3 pops or more. Or if you just want to pound away all your frustrations it does the trick too.
The girls insisted on BBJ because they hate the taste of latex. Beyond that everything was covered.
(off-topic).
If anyone can help me find a doctor who is liberal in the blue pill rx department, let me know. Every time I go to a doc, I get nixed on my request unless I also take BP meds. Going to any mongering experience excited to try something and not being able to do much at all is a total drag. Curse JR. We've been together 37 years and now he pulls this crap more and more often. =/.
HollywoodGuy
07-31-14, 10:54
The girls insisted on BBJ because they hate the taste of latex. Beyond that everything was covered.
(off-topic).
If anyone can help me find a doctor who is liberal in the blue pill rx department, let me know. Every time I go to a doc, I get nixed on my request unless I also take BP meds. Going to any mongering experience excited to try something and not being able to do much at all is a total drag. Curse JR. We've been together 37 years and now he pulls this crap more and more often. =/.Ask for cialis. Never heard of a dr that won't prescribe it. Works great also.
If anyone can help me find a doctor who is liberal in the blue pill rx department, let me know. Every time I go to a doc, I get nixed on my request unless I also take BP meds. Going to any mongering experience excited to try something and not being able to do much at all is a total drag. Curse JR. We've been together 37 years and now he pulls this crap more and more often. =/.I recommend trying the spectrum of drugs out there. As with TJ Dog's experience, doctors and nurse practitioners do not prescribe one solution, because the effectiveness varies. The blue pill does not work for me at all, nor has any other I've tried except see. I've got super high blood pressure and one of the medications is a vasodialator, which can work against the erection mechanism. Best result for me is to delay the BP meds until after I've had a session.
I'm 30 years older and decreasing libido is more of a problem. No medicine solves that. Natures vicious irony, since everything else: willing (paid) companion, funds, time availability; everything else is aligned for endless fun.
But when I do get my motor running, I want to take full advantage. See is what has worked best for me so far. I was able to get samples by going online and printing a coupon and getting a Uro to give me a prescription. They are hella expensive pills so you need to be sure they'll work.
Good luck.
There is a free offer for Cialis.
http://www.cialis.com/promise-free-trial.aspx
HollywoodGuy
08-01-14, 03:12
There is a free offer for Cialis.
http://www.cialis.com/promise-free-trial.aspxAnd you can get it free once a year.
There is a free offer for Cialis.
http://www.cialis.com/promise-free-trial.aspxGoogle the NET for Viagara free offers also. And yes, the free offer is once a year.
Also, has anyone tried the generic versions?
Pinche Gringo
08-01-14, 14:27
Watch out. Both of these drugs had pretty strange affects on me. Did not get the lasting hard on. In fact, these drugs made me the 10 second man. As soon as the fun would begin, I would come almost immediately. All of our physiologies are different so hopefully you will have better results than I did.
HollywoodGuy
08-01-14, 15:37
Watch out. Both of these drugs had pretty strange affects on me. Did not get the lasting hard on. In fact, these drugs made me the 10 second man. As soon as the fun would begin, I would come almost immediately. All of our physiologies are different so hopefully you will have better results than I did.Too bad. Cialis allows me to wear out any girl I am with. I take 15 mg. 2 to 5 hours beforehand. Empty stomach is best.
Watch out. Both of these drugs had pretty strange affects on me. Did not get the lasting hard on. In fact, these drugs made me the 10 second man. As soon as the fun would begin, I would come almost immediately. All of our physiologies are different so hopefully you will have better results than I did.Oh yea how many times? I don't get a lasting hard on but it comes up and stays up when needed.
Too bad. Cialis allows me to wear out any girl I am with. I take 15 mg. 2 to 5 hours beforehand. Empty stomach is best.Same here cialis is best last 2-3 days for me but it does take hours to really kick in.
Mojorizing
08-02-14, 12:41
Any strolls or action in the Santa Ana area? In or around Harbor Blvd?
Christophe1
08-03-14, 18:37
So you been seeing a women regularly and it's beginning to seem like your once, Ms. Action Jackson, now just sits back for some worn out, Wonder Bread mish. After the half-hearted, barely erecting BJ, she states lethargically, "Stick it in me. " Yep. That's the same lady who used to roll her eyes to the back of her head while screaming out in fucked up tongues and threw herself up & down your shaft recklessly while riding Bronco Betty. At least until you got so hot and bothered and pulled her up into doggie, slapped that ass, and started fucking that big ole booty. Stuck it in with quick forward thrust and watched the reciprocating minor flesh tsunami. Waited a second and gave another to establish the rhythm. But be careful, asses like those have minds of their own -It's own style and pace, if not careful, you get some weird ass twerk or even worse, bucked off.
What happened?
Yo man. Your beyotch got lazy.
Let's knock that relationship back but even better.
Lose your wood and pull out. Apologetically state, "Sorry. This has never happened before. Can you suck it?" Now a good one will pull it swiftly into her mouth and start licking up her pussy juice from off the condom. Once it's licked clean, say with minor misgivings and lots of frustration. "Weird, I can't really feel anything. Let's pull this damn thing off (bring your own condoms for switches). " Stand up and see if her lips don't get magnetized towards your dick. Grab her head a little and see if she protests or even minds. Help her head bob back and forth (lazy ones appreciate your extra help). Sit back onto the bed and let her drop to her knees on the floor (assist her if she doesn't get it). After a New York minute, pull her up onto the bed and let her get back to work. Hold her head down soft, yet with an applied firmness (exactly, breaktime). If she coughs or chokes, give her head a little room, but maintain a firm downward pressure (reassures her that breaktime is ok). Reward her with a Super HARD Dick. A good one will get really excited from your reaction to her attention. More so if you were rubbing and then sucking on her clit and puffy pussy lips.
Now it's your turn to take charge of the situation. "Babe, get on top. ".
If the girl is somewhat into you, the above will knock her sox off and get you some extra fucking time. She is back to wanting to please you and not a money hungry, lazy beyotch.
So you been seeing a women regularly and it's beginning to seem like your once, Ms. Action Jackson, now just sits back for some worn out, Wonder Bread mish. After the half-hearted, barely erecting BJ, she states lethargically, "Stick it in me. " Yep. That's the same lady who used to roll her eyes to the back of her head while screaming out in fucked up tongues and threw herself up & down your shaft recklessly while riding Bronco Betty. At least until you got so hot and bothered and pulled her up into doggie, slapped that ass, and started fucking that big ole booty. Stuck it in with quick forward thrust and watched the reciprocating minor flesh tsunami. Waited a second and gave another to establish the rhythm. But be careful, asses like those have minds of their own -It's own style and pace, if not careful, you get some weird ass twerk or even worse, bucked off.
What happened?
Yo man. Your beyotch got lazy.
Let's knock that relationship back but even better.
Lose your wood and pull out. Apologetically state, "Sorry. This has never happened before. Can you suck it?" Now a good one will pull it swiftly into her mouth and start licking up her pussy juice from off the condom. Once it's licked clean, say with minor misgivings and lots of frustration. "Weird, I can't really feel anything. Let's pull this damn thing off (bring your own condoms for switches). " Stand up and see if her lips don't get magnetized towards your dick. Grab her head a little and see if she protests or even minds. Help her head bob back and forth (lazy ones appreciate your extra help). Sit back onto the bed and let her drop to her knees on the floor (assist her if she doesn't get it). After a New York minute, pull her up onto the bed and let her get back to work. Hold her head down soft, yet with an applied firmness (exactly, breaktime). If she coughs or chokes, give her head a little room, but maintain a firm downward pressure (reassures her that breaktime is ok). Reward her with a Super HARD Dick. A good one will get really excited from your reaction to her attention. More so if you were rubbing and then sucking on her clit and puffy pussy lips.
Now it's your turn to take charge of the situation. "Babe, get on top. ".
If the girl is somewhat into you, the above will knock her sox off and get you some extra fucking time. She is back to wanting to please you and not a money hungry, lazy beyotch.Nice fantasy. You should write jerk off books. I thought the whole point of this hobby was to date a variety of different women. When (if) I have dated one often enough for this scenario to happen, I would just kick her to the curb and find a new one.
Nice fantasy. You should write jerk off books. I thought the whole point of this hobby was to date a variety of different women. When (if) I have dated one often enough for this scenario to happen, I would just kick her to the curb and find a new one.A wise man once said.
"if your girl is acting up then you take her friend".
This same wish man, was also hip to motels and Holiday Inns long ago before some of us were old enough to get a hard on.
A wise man once said.
"if your girl is acting up then you take her friend".
This same wish man, was also hip to motels and Holiday Inns long ago before some of us were old enough to get a hard on.Ok, Christophe, it's on you, so what you going to do? Did you hook up with Miatta?
Mojorizing
08-06-14, 09:53
Stay clear of the girls that post on BP and are at the M6. They get you in the door with one price then do the upsell yet provide nothing.
Rain Dreaming
08-06-14, 14:03
The girls insisted on BBJ because they hate the taste of latex. Beyond that everything was covered.
(off-topic).
If anyone can help me find a doctor who is liberal in the blue pill rx department, let me know. Every time I go to a doc, I get nixed on my request unless I also take BP meds. Going to any mongering experience excited to try something and not being able to do much at all is a total drag. Curse JR. We've been together 37 years and now he pulls this crap more and more often. =/.I have tried many prescriptions as well as others drugs. The best ed for me was Vigor. Viagra made me flush with the biggest headache ever, Levitra was cool but then again it stopped working and wants to pay 25 bucks a pill for both of them. With vigor it doesn't give me the headache or the flushing seance nor the fatigue. I have high blood pressure and diabetic and works great for me. Try them all and see what's best for you.
I have tried many prescriptions as well as others drugs. The best ed for me was Vigor. Viagra made me flush with the biggest headache ever, Levitra was cool but then again it stopped working and wants to pay 25 bucks a pill for both of them. With vigor it doesn't give me the headache or the flushing seance nor the fatigue. I have high blood pressure and diabetic and works great for me. Try them all and see what's best for you.What is Vigor, is it over the counter or RX? Always looking for something new.
Christophe1
08-09-14, 00:06
Or should I say, fellow pussy aficionados? Then again, I'm not that bourgeoisie.
Here is a sweet little Latina that has a freaking delectable, hot little pink pussy. It comes served on a cute little 5 footer. She always has a beautiful smile and something nice to say.
Tits. Ass. And PUSSY. Now everyone needs to smile this weekend, and also, make sure that y' all show off your pussy eating smiles.
CHEESE.
Or should I say, fellow pussy aficionados? Then again, I'm not that bourgeoisie.
Here is a sweet little Latina that has a freaking delectable, hot little pink pussy. It comes served on a cute little 5 footer. She always has a beautiful smile and something nice to say.
Tits. Ass. And PUSSY. Now everyone needs to smile this weekend, and also, make sure that y' all show off your pussy eating smiles.
CHEESE.I have one word to say. Digits?
I have one word to say. Digits?I second this statement.
Or should I say, fellow pussy aficionados? Then again, I'm not that bourgeoisie.
Here is a sweet little Latina that has a freaking delectable, hot little pink pussy. It comes served on a cute little 5 footer. She always has a beautiful smile and something nice to say.
Tits. Ass. And PUSSY. Now everyone needs to smile this weekend, and also, make sure that y' all show off your pussy eating smiles.
CHEESE.My thoughts. Drool!
The dumbest report is when A guy just ask for digits on a previous report. Idiots. If you want the digits, PM a guy. He would put them out there in public if the girl was public. If a guy asks me for info, if he has never given info on the board I do not respond. Asking for digits seems stupid. IMHO.
I have tried many prescriptions as well as others drugs. The best ed for me was Vigor. Viagra made me flush with the biggest headache ever, Levitra was cool but then again it stopped working and wants to pay 25 bucks a pill for both of them. With vigor it doesn't give me the headache or the flushing seance nor the fatigue. I have high blood pressure and diabetic and works great for me. Try them all and see what's best for you.You left out Cialis is, I have BP and I don't those after affects. The blue one has difffenitly had some bad affects bn36 on some guys. I aint chancing it.
I have tried many prescriptions as well as others drugs. The best ed for me was Vigor. Viagra made me flush with the biggest headache ever, Levitra was cool but then again it stopped working and wants to pay 25 bucks a pill for both of them. With vigor it doesn't give me the headache or the flushing seance nor the fatigue. I have high blood pressure and diabetic and works great for me. Try them all and see what's best for you.You left out Cialis is, I have BP and I don't those after affects. The blue one has difffenitly had some bad affects bn36 on some guys. I aint vhancin it.
Christophe1
08-24-14, 02:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo_RmHIZiAc
Sucker Bill I saw Caroline out the other day on Mateo and 9th at 8 am unexpectedly as I had some business over there. She was hanging around the area digging through the garbage on the ground. Not for anything in particular just grabbing random paper. Some she would keep and others were dropped back down on the ground. I think she finally has momentarily lost it from whatever she does do. Too bad because she was the last decent one in the DT area with an apartment and well groomed.
339555
Looky Looky. Can't see the nookie.
339556 339557.
These are some lovely females from the past. Fortunately I'll be staying in tonight because of that up there. Hope everyone else gets lucky. Discover the rainbow!
Sucker Bill
08-24-14, 14:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo_RmHIZiAc
Sucker Bill I saw Caroline out the other day on Mateo and 9th at 8 am unexpectedly as I had some business over there. She was hanging around the area digging through the garbage on the ground. Not for anything in particular just grabbing random paper. Some she would keep and others were dropped back down on the ground. I think she finally has momentarily lost it from whatever she does do. Too bad because she was the last decent one in the DT area with an apartment and well groomed.
The odd thing is that when I saw her, she was nice and clean, mostly lucid and polite and sweet like she usually is, and looking damn good. The drugs were clearly a priority, and my guess would be that the thought of getting high far exceeded her desire to suck my cock. We have all seen how some girls get the second you hand them money. They are nice at first, but that money starts burning a hole in their pocket and the countdown starts. They are just overwhelmed by the thought that they now have the means to get high, and my orgasm is in the way. With Caroline, she actually had the drugs on her and sampled a bit of it. Now it's like a hot coal in her pocket and the pain in her brain must have been unbearable. The problem on our end is that most girls aren't going to blow a stranger for $20 for most other reasons. It's part of the game we play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo_RmHIZiAc
Sucker Bill I saw Caroline out the other day on Mateo and 9th at 8 am unexpectedly as I had some business over there. She was hanging around the area digging through the garbage on the ground. Not for anything in particular just grabbing random paper. Some she would keep and others were dropped back down on the ground. I think she finally has momentarily lost it from whatever she does do. Too bad because she was the last decent one in the DT area with an apartment and well groomed.
339555
Looky Looky. Can't see the nookie.
339556 339557.
These are some lovely females from the past. Fortunately I'll be staying in tonight because of that up there. Hope everyone else gets lucky. Discover the rainbow!Hey Brother,
Like the Bda picture the best. SAY AHH.
JM
I miss LA. San Diego is very dry. I just read your posts and feel very jealous Enjoy. Very nice selection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo_RmHIZiAc
Sucker Bill I saw Caroline out the other day on Mateo and 9th at 8 am unexpectedly as I had some business over there. She was hanging around the area digging through the garbage on the ground. Not for anything in particular just grabbing random paper. Some she would keep and others were dropped back down on the ground. I think she finally has momentarily lost it from whatever she does do. Too bad because she was the last decent one in the DT area with an apartment and well groomed.
339555
Looky Looky. Can't see the nookie.
339556 339557.
These are some lovely females from the past. Fortunately I'll be staying in tonight because of that up there. Hope everyone else gets lucky. Discover the rainbow!
Got a text from Barbie, a girl I was "dating" some six months ago. She has gotten a little bigger, but certainly not fat, and it has totally improved her breasts! $ for CBJ, followed by cg, and finished up mish. Not a clockwatcher at all. Qualified Senior Members can PM for digits (if I already gave them to you, they haven't changed-rare with SW!
Hello all,
Just wondering if anyone know of any spots that actually have women that service gl0 ree wh0 lez. All I see are t4 m and m4 m. Rarely 24 m. I have never done it before but seems interesting. Most the CL stuff looks like SPAM but IDK. Can anyone with experience in this area point me in the right direction? PM or reply. Thanks!
BM.
Has anyone in here gotten their CL account on hold? If so, what did you do? Is this a temporary hold or did you end up creating a new account? I read they hold your account if you don't follow the TOS but I haven't done anything different lately. Should I just email CL or make a new account?
Has anyone in here gotten their CL account on hold? If so, what did you do? Is this a temporary hold or did you end up creating a new account? I read they hold your account if you don't follow the TOS but I haven't done anything different lately. Should I just email CL or make a new account?It just happened to me to. From what I've been reading it permanent. I didn't get any explanation. Sucks man.
Christophe1
08-27-14, 03:48
I imagined my dick banging into her bladder and I tried hard to make her pee or squirt. With a squirt squirt here.
And a squirt squirt there.
Here a squirt, there a squirt.
Everywhere a SQUIRT SQUIRT!
Alright guys. Where are they? Where are the squirters? Mazda, are you holding out on me?
My last good squitter from a couple years ago was UTR Vicky down in the OC. The White 40 ish cougar that gave up all three holes. If I was a girl, and my pussy squirted, I'd be like her and showing if off too. I was butt fucking her and she says, "Ah ah ah, you want to, ah, see me squirt?" Come on, do dogs like bones? She then got out the mirror and placed it in a way to optimize my viewing pleasure as I butt blasted her in K9 to a volcanic ending.
Recently I contacted Angela Stone from CL who seems to be a monster squirter. Anyone have any experience with her or others to report? What did she charge and is she worth it?
TIA.
Has anyone partied with Victoria?
340305
I heard that she is quite the party girl and seems to party a lot with the yahoo group the_view4 you.
Rj.
The Yahoo group the_view4 you also seems to have other cuties.
340306 340307.
Rj.
A couple more pics from the Yahoo group the_view4 you.
340308 340309.
Rj.
Do you have a link for the_view4 you on yahoo groups?
I am in a few groups there but can't seem to come up with that group no matter how many different ways I spelled it.
Thanks for the tip and the help.
Do you have a link for the_view4 you on yahoo groups?
I am in a few groups there but can't seem to come up with that group no matter how many different ways I spelled it.
Thanks for the tip and the help.Try https://******************/neo/groups/the_view4you/conversations/messages.
Do you have a link for the_view4 you on yahoo groups?
I am in a few groups there but can't seem to come up with that group no matter how many different ways I spelled it.
Thanks for the tip and the help.Also GOOGLE 'yahoo group the_view4 you'. You have a space between the 4 and why which could have been my posting error.
Rj.
The Glitterman
08-29-14, 12:08
Do you have a link for the_view4 you on yahoo groups?
I am in a few groups there but can't seem to come up with that group no matter how many different ways I spelled it.
Thanks for the tip and the help.https://******************/neo/groups/the_view4you/info
Iluvbigtitts
08-29-14, 15:14
Has anyone partied with Victoria?
340305
I heard that she is quite the party girl and seems to party a lot with the yahoo group the_view4 you.
Rj.I'm having the same trouble finding the group, I've looked in the past as well but it doesn't come up if you can PM me a link as well I would appreciate it.
This site adds a space after the 4.
Yahoo Group name: the_view4 you (no space after the 4).
Google Yahoo Groups 'name above' without a space after the 4.
Rj.
Has anyone partied with the Yahoo Group SoCalCircusIE?
Rj.
Has anyone partied with the Yahoo Group SoCalCircusIE?
Rj.Here is a pic of Mariah 340520.
Rj.
Jack Reacher
08-30-14, 00:07
Friday, August 29:
DUI checkpoint at Vermont Avenue and 6th Street in the Koreatown from 8 pm To 2 am.
DUI checkpoint at Roscoe Boulevard and Gloria Avenue in North Hills from 8 pm To 2 am.
DUI checkpoint at Figueroa Street and 9th Street in downtown from 10 pm To 4 am.
Saturday, August 30:
DUI checkpoint at Avalon Boulevard and Opp Street in Wilmington from 7 pm To 1 am.
DUI checkpoint at Sunset Boulevard and Laveta Terrace in Echo Park from 8 pm To 2 am.
DUI checkpoint at Sherman Way and Yolanda Avenue in Reseda from 8 pm To 2 am.
DUI checkpoint at Olympic Boulevard and Blaine Street in Pico-Union from 8 pm To 2 am.
Sunday, August 31:
- saturation patrol in the Harbor Area from 12 pm To 8 pm.
This group is having a GB tonight. While they boast a couple of hotties like Mariah & Kelly.
340678340682.
They also have Saundra.
340683
And this is an old pic! If anyone has partied with SoCalCircusIE, can you post a report please?
Rj.
This was an interesting experience. It was held in a BDSM club and most of the people there were couples who were probably members of the club. The party got going around 10 pm with an older couple. He started by whipping her and continued with other toys.
On a another table another couple got going. The guy was basically getting her off using his fingers.
Both these were private sessions and one could watch but not participate.
A bit later, a third couple got going and he whipped her for a while and then had her give him a BJ on her knees. He then invited the guys watching to take her. Man she was hot, great firm body and ready to take anyone in any of her O (s). Wow.
This was one of the best GB sessions I have had.
There were quite a few very pretty women there but they basically watched us. Had another session with young lady and left around 1 am.
Rj.
Christophe1
09-01-14, 17:59
My favorite massage girl wanted "Boom-Boom". After I noticed she was slipping into the "on the clock" mode. I pulled out all the stops. What else could I do?
I flipped the script. What soon followed was only meant to become bedtime stories. Lets just say her pussy got really blood engorged swollen, super fat and hot. It was dripping wet, and still TIGHT. She was putty in my hands.
340912
Multi-orgasmic! Nothing much else to say? She thanked me with several hours of good Tophe1 loving.
340908 340915 340910 340911
Cock slicing light into Asian pussy rainbows since '88.
This group is having a GB tonight. While they boast a couple of hotties like Mariah & Kelly.
340678340682.
They also have Saundra.
340683
And this is an old pic! If anyone has partied with SoCalCircusIE, can you post a report please?
Rj.I did some yrs ago, it was fun both orgies and gb, recently they moved to gg same price.
Member #4807
09-02-14, 13:49
A couple more pics from the Yahoo group the_view4 you.
340308 340309.
Rj.I'm married but my wife lets me swing. She's not into that scene herself though. When these groups say they're open to single men, do they mean single men literally, or men who'd be attending alone?
I did some yrs ago, it was fun both orgies and gb, recently they moved to gg same price.What is a GG? Can you provide details please?
What is a GG? Can you provide details please?City of Garden Grove.
The_View4 you (no space after the 4) Yahoo Group is planning a Daytime GB (from noon) with Victoria tomorrow 9/4 in LA. I have never partied with Victoria but I have heard that she is hot.
I am planning to attend and will report.
The_View4 you (no space after the 4) Yahoo Group is planning a Daytime GB (from noon) with Victoria tomorrow 9/4 in LA. I have never partied with Victoria but I have heard that she is hot.
I am planning to attend and will report.Appius,
Please report on how it goes. I have been unable to attend these events because I work when they are happening. Its also my bad luck that they don't seem to happen when I am off.
Please report on how it goes. I have been unable to attend these events because I work when they are happening. Its also my bad luck that they don't seem to happen when I am off.These daytime GBs start around noon and last a couple of hours. Typically, its the 'lunch break' from work.
Their previous one was on Sunday night in North Hollywood. It got going around 10 pm and lasted till about 1 am.
This group is having a GB tonight. While they boast a couple of hotties like Mariah & Kelly.
340678340682.
They also have Saundra.
340683
And this is an old pic! If anyone has partied with SoCalCircusIE, can you post a report please?
Rj.Partied with them one time about a year ago. Had an AMAZING time. I've been trying to get back, now that they're starting to attract hotter women. I'm hoping to get to one of their Monday day parties soon.
The_View4 you (no space after the 4) Yahoo Group is planning a Daytime GB (from noon) with Victoria tomorrow 9/4 in LA. I have never partied with Victoria but I have heard that she is hot.
I am planning to attend and will report.Wow what a party girl.
Victoria is one hot young lady with a voluptuous, firm and shapely body. It was a great party and when you party with Victoria, you must cum in her mouth which she greatly relishes and swallows every last drop.
Wow.
Christophe1
09-06-14, 20:12
Been fantasizing about that hot little number motorboating your fartbox again? So you ask, "How can I get her to give me RIM?"
Don't worry Bro, I got your back (figure of speech maaan).
For starters, let's go over the proper pooper preparation that you'll have to do before the big show. Shower shower shower.
While you're in there, clean up that stinky azz. Don't just soap it up once and rinse. No maan, you got to give it a thorough couple minutes of cleaning at least. Don't be timid or scared, get in there, soap that shit up. Use your "butt only" wash cloth, then rinse. Some traditions dictate that we use the left hand. Remember: Right hand's for shaking and bumping. Make sure you work both front and back, don't miss any spots. Then go ahead and submerge a finger. Go a minimum of a knuckle deep. Clean it well from the inside out. That's important. Think about how long her tongue is and compare that to your digit. You got to clean it up to a little past there.
Mamma San, "Holy SHIT Lulu! Mr Poopiepants and his friend, Stains, just scheduled for this noon. "
"Well they better not expect RIM. I don't care how much extra they pay. I won't do it. " Lulu.
"Me either. " Coco.
Bro, don't be a stick in the mud. Clean yo azz up. When finished, dry it up completely. You don't want to be a moldy old azz either. Or do you? No sourbottom way!
Getting Her To Go Down There.
I suggest you initiate the experience by seeing a well known RIM artist first. Got to see if you even like it. She'll be enlisted as a willing participant, without coaxing, and may offer more than one sphincter kissing technique. Some like to lick it from the back. Another lady might do it while you're supine, she'll spit HJ your prick going up and down, while she tongue fuck-sucks your little pucker. Just try a pro first.
If you're uncertain.
1. Try doing it to her first. Start with munching her fresh, bouquet smelling pussy. As she gets wetter lengthen your licks. Start to barely graze her anus. Still continue by extending your tongue strokes hitting more of her anus, plus do lots of "in between" kissing. Slowly, methodically, get to the point that you dip it in.
2. If she doesn't balk, do a little tongue drilling. As she responds to feeling her anal pleasures, reposition her better. Get better and deeper access. If she's clean, then it's fun regardless of position. Plus loads of of great visuals.
3. Don't intimidate her by using your fingers unless you want her to use them on you (not my thing). Just tongue.
4. Get her off.
"Did you like that Baby? Come down here. Do that to me. ".
Kiss her and steer her into position while you show off your bare pure essence.
Been fantasizing about that hot little number motorboating your fartbox again? So you ask, "How can I get her to give me RIM?"
Don't worry Bro, I got your back (figure of speech maaan).
For starters, let's go over the proper pooper preparation that you'll have to do before the big show. Shower shower shower.
While you're in there, clean up that stinky azz. Don't just soap it up once and rinse. No maan, you got to give it a thorough couple minutes of cleaning at least. Don't be timid or scared, get in there, soap that shit up. Use your "butt only" wash cloth, then rinse. Some traditions dictate that we use the left hand. Remember: Right hand's for shaking and bumping. Make sure you work both front and back, don't miss any spots. Then go ahead and submerge a finger. Go a minimum of a knuckle deep. Clean it well from the inside out. That's important. Think about how long her tongue is and compare that to your digit. You got to clean it up to a little past there.
Mamma San, "Holy SHIT Lulu! Mr Poopiepants and his friend, Stains, just scheduled for this noon. "
"Well they better not expect RIM. I don't care how much extra they pay. I won't do it. " Lulu.
"Me either. " Coco.
Bro, don't be a stick in the mud. Clean yo azz up. When finished, dry it up completely. You don't want to be a moldy old azz. Or do you? No sourbottom way.
Getting Her To Go Down There.
I suggest you initiate the experience by seeing a well known RIM artist first. Got to see if you even like it. She'll be enlisted as a willing participant, without coaxing, and may offer more than one sphincter kissing technique. Some like to lick it from the back. Another lady might do it while your on your back, she'll spit HJ your prick up and down, and tongue suck your little pucker. Just try a pro first.
If you're uncertain.
1. Try doing it to her first. Start with munching her fresh, bouquet smelling pussy. As she gets wetter begin to lengthen your licks. Start to barely graze her anus. Still continue by extending your tongue strokes hit the anus plust lots of "in between" kissing. Slowly, methodically, get to the point that you dip it in.
2. If she doesn't balk, do a little tongue drilling. As she responds to feeling her anal pleasures, reposition her better. Get better and deeper access. If she's clean, then it's fun regardless of position. Plus loads of of great visuals.
3. Don't intimidate her by using your fingers unless you want her to use them on you (not my thing). Just tongue.
4. Get her off.
"Did you like that Baby? Come down here. Do that to me. ".
Kiss her and steer her into position while you show off your bare pure essence.A little bit of RIM is a good thing but this is way too much work. Like my late dad used to say, you're going to have to love me (take me) the way I am. In this case following a good hot shower with modest attention to flushing a lovely fruity or floral bouquet brand name liquid body shampoo out the anus. If that doesn't present a clean enough dinner plate, then just turn the page and we can move on to another perversion.
DinnerOut35
09-07-14, 20:09
I have decided for the immediate future that I am going to get with every P4 P I can. I have been working on my Craigslist strategy (its a secret) and it has been paying off. It is interesting that so many of the responses I receive are from non pros in the Hollywood area. I always hear the same story-LA is so expensive and I just need a little extra cash. I love non pros. There is no ripoff scheme, you more than likely can repeat and usually they actually enjoy the sex.
The 20 year old.
This girl was fascinating. She has only been in LA for six months. It took me a week of back and forth to get with her (due to my scheduling). But she was so down to earth I felt in the end like I had just had sex with a friend. She was white from Louisiana (loooved her accent) and was clearly a-shall I say-heavy user of the green stuff. She has no fixed address and shared with my how she couch surfs from one friends house to another. She said she used to be addicted to a horrible substance (begins with H) and she stopped using it. I got worried because when people use that they are more prone to risky behavior. Nevertheless when I picked her up she had a test result from the day before for all std, HIV etc showing she was clean. She is so damn adorable. Nice curls, clean skin and somewhat innocent (though she made it clear she had met up with other guys before).
I had posted on this site where I could find a room in Hollywood area but no one responded. I picked her up in Hollywood and drove across town to the Snooty Fox. I had never been there before and was surprised to see two black SW hanging out in front in the daytime. You walk up to a tinted glass counter (you can't see inside of the office) and what sounds like a Indian fellow (from India) asks you how long you want. I paid $26 for two hours. He wanted my I'd and hers. I gave it to him but my 20 year old only had an ATM card for I'd which he accepted. The room was ok (see pics). Big bed, big room, big bathroom.
When this girl took her clothes off she looked like a freshly minted 18 year old. No stretch marks. 38 C's. Shaved kitty. She did whatever I wanted (doggy, mish, talk dirty, BBBJ) and smiled and delivered the whole time. She actually reminded me of Christina Ricci in the movie Black Snake Moan. This girl could easily ask a guy for $200. Her body and performance was that good. But I suspect this girl just lives for the moment and wanted $100 (that's what I paid her) to buy more green stuff.
I drove her back to where she was staying and she texted me an hour later to say thank you. I was impressed. So impressed I went back that night, picked her up, and got a BJ in the car in the Home Depot parking lot on Sunset. $50 damage. This girl I will maintain a good relationship with.
The Vietnamese lesbian.
Like my 20 year old this girl lived in Hollywood. She seemed cool and was 30 years old and just needed some money. I talked to her a few days by email and we connected. She hosted at her place while her roommate was out. She had warned me she was a tomboy and when I first saw her it left no doubt. It it was not for the mosquito bites she called breasts I would have thought she was a guy. But I like doing different things so I went with it. I went into her apt and she had some food cooking and believe it or not she offerred me some. Usually I won't eat or drink anything a girl offers (you just don't know their intentions) but I ate a little and we talked about a half an hour. She then admitted she was a lesbian but liked the*ck sometimes and she needed the money to get her BMW fixed. We went into her bedroom and we showered together (she seemed to be a bit of a clean freak but that's a good thing). We did the deed and she laid their like a dead fish. Didn't make a sound as I pounded away. I cleaned up, paid my $100 and left. She, like the 20 year old, sent me a thank you text afterwards.
But then this is where it gets wierd. She text me the next morning asking can we get together again. But this time she wants $300! I didn't even respond to the text. She then kept texting all day long to me talking about how she caught her brother with her lesbian lover and how broken hearted she was. This went on all day until I blocked her number in my phone.
Nevertheless I would not repeat with the Vietnamese lesbian but the 20 year old I would. Funny thing is I called her today and her phone is off. I emailed her so lets see what she does. When and if she connects with me (and I think she will) I will share her info with Senior members for another number of one of their contacts.
Now if I can find a pregnant or lactating provider.
Showdown.
Christophe1
09-09-14, 12:47
A little bit of RIM is a good thing but this is way too much work. Like my late dad used to say, you're going to have to love me (take me) the way I am. In this case following a good hot shower with modest attention to flushing a lovely fruity or floral bouquet brand name liquid body shampoo out the anus. If that doesn't present a clean enough dinner plate, then just turn the page and we can move on to another perversion.Is that a perversion? To me being perverse would be to marry a virgin or as a virgin. Maybe that's not too bad, but to become a born again virgin is probably the most perverse thing I can think of sexually. I'm a highly efficient, little DNA-spreading machine, but I have found that I'm, ha ha ha, saving myself for my gurl friend sometimes. Gone a week at a time! Stupid.
Here is a question to you all. What would you do?
Get with a highly reviewed Asian porn star.
Have a threesome. With Strangers that have good reviews or with women that you know?
Something else?
Showdown.Hey. That's my room! hope they changed the bedding. Maybe the best motor inn to get a decent room, clean sheets, a nice mix of other guests, and at a reasonable rate to take some of your Non-Pros. The Mustang on Western is also good. They have some hot tub rooms that women I've known like to rent out to drink and do Molly in. Their rooms are spacious, and alright for the price. There are a few places in Koreatown that are closer to Hollywood. There's a Notel on Serrano and 8th. A couple years ago it was so popular there were girls hooking outside. Seedy place.
HollywoodGuy
09-09-14, 13:45
I drove her back to where she was staying and she texted me an hour later to say thank you. I was impressed. So impressed I went back that night, picked her up, and got a BJ in the car in the Home Depot parking lot on Sunset. $50 damage. Excellent spot. Very private and a killer view from the roof parking area.
Is that a perversion? To me being perverse would be to marry a virgin or as a virgin. Maybe that's not too bad, but to become a born again virgin is probably the most perverse thing I can think of sexually. I'm a highly efficient, little DNA-spreading machine, but I have found that I'm, ha ha ha, saving myself for my gurl friend sometimes. Gone a week at a time! Stupid...
Chris, I use the word "perv" and its emanations to apply to myself and others in the hobby similar to the way AA rappers use the "N" word. Then again, when my number one goes about rimming me with the intensity and enthusiasm that one who has fasted for 3 days would approach a meal prepared by the most esteemed master chef in Lyon, France, I sometimes wonder what is wrong with her! I will say that before and after she applies a regimen of hygiene to both of us with the same thoroughness and intensity that she applies to rimming.
DinnerOut35
09-09-14, 20:18
Is that a perversion? To me being perverse would be to marry a virgin or as a virgin. Maybe that's not too bad, but to become a born again virgin is probably the most perverse thing I can think of sexually. I'm a highly efficient, little DNA-spreading machine, but I have found that I'm, ha ha ha, saving myself for my gurl friend sometimes. Gone a week at a time! Stupid.
Here is a question to you all. What would you do?
Get with a highly reviewed Asian porn star.
Have a threesome. With Strangers that have good reviews or with women that you know?
Something else?
Hey. That's my room! hope they changed the bedding. Maybe the best motor inn to get a decent room, clean sheets, a nice mix of other guests, and at a reasonable rate to take some of your Non-Pros. The Mustang on Western is also good. They have some hot tub rooms that women I've known like to rent out to drink and do Molly in. Their rooms are spacious, and alright for the price. There are a few places in Koreatown that are closer to Hollywood. There's a Notel on Serrano and 8th. A couple years ago it was so popular there were girls hooking outside. Seedy place.You have any names of these notels? I don't want to always have to drive to Snooty Fox.
Showdown.
DinnerOut35
09-09-14, 20:34
I have been given three references of late that were absolute disasters. After being given the number I contact the girl via text (and write a respectful note that does not even references sex).
And then these women go nuts!
They start talking about who the hell am I, they don't do that and outright threatening me. Luckily I use an app called Burner that lets me create a phone number that can be deleted. I have, as a result of these three nuts, had to delete three Burner numbers.
I think what is happening is that these girls are desperate for money, get together with a monger (then have the money that they need) and then pretend like they never did it. They do not want to be reminded, I guess, that they sold themselves for money.
These girls who reacted this way seemed liked non pros to me. A pro would not act this way. So in the future when any of us recommend a non pro the provider of the contact info should contact the non pro and ask for permission to share first.
Now if I can find a SANE pregnant or lactating provider.
Showdown.
I have been given three references of late that were absolute disasters. After being given the number I contact the girl via text (and write a respectful note that does not even references sex).
And then these women go nuts!
They start talking about who the hell am I, they don't do that and outright threatening me. Luckily I use an app called Burner that lets me create a phone number that can be deleted. I have, as a result of these three nuts, had to delete three Burner numbers.
I think what is happening is that these girls are desperate for money, get together with a monger (then have the money that they need) and then pretend like they never did it. They do not want to be reminded, I guess, that they sold themselves for money.
These girls who reacted this way seemed liked non pros to me. A pro would not act this way. So in the future when any of us recommend a non pro the provider of the contact info should contact the non pro and ask for permission to share first.
Now if I can find a SANE pregnant or lactating provider.
Showdown.Precisely why I don't share non pros. It's almost never a good idea to share or try to contact one of them you don't know. People still burn me for being stingy and claim that I should stop posting experiences if I'm not willing to share.
Anyway, I found a lactating ebony BBW that quoted me $ for the hour on CL. I'm not personally into black or bbw or lactating for that matter and will be happy to share if you like. Let me know, I lost her photo but have her #.
HollywoodGuy
09-09-14, 23:45
Chris, I use the word "perv" and its emanations to apply to myself and others in the hobby similar to the way AA rappers use the "N" word. Then again, when my number one goes about rimming me with the intensity and enthusiasm that one who has fasted for 3 days would approach a meal prepared by the most esteemed master chef in Lyon, France, I sometimes wonder what is wrong with her! I will say that before and after she applies a regimen of hygiene to both of us with the same thoroughness and intensity that she applies to rimming.I tell every girl "I am perverted. But never creepy. ".
Hey fellow mongers.
Just read this report. It happened last week in the Studio City area. I'm enclosing a link to her Facebook page where it has an account from her (Daniele Watts) she's the actress from Django Unchained.
Seems like she got taking into custody for kissing her SO in public! She's AA and her SO is white.
Here's her Facebook page link: https://www.facebook.com/wattsdaniele.
Mondo.
HollywoodGuy
09-15-14, 19:14
Hey fellow mongers.
Just read this report. It happened last week in the Studio City area. I'm enclosing a link to her Facebook page where it has an account from her (Daniele Watts) she's the actress from Django Unchained.
Seems like she got taking into custody for kissing her SO in public! She's AA and her SO is white.
Here's her Facebook page link: https://www.facebook.com/wattsdaniele.
Mondo.Having dated a lot of black girls a third my age I can tell you I get looked at a lot. But that girl made a big mistake refusing to show her ID. LEO would have checked it and been on their way. She picked the wrong time to get self righteous. Once a white girl was sitting in my car in a teddy, and nothing else. LEO spotted us and pulled us over. Then says in a very stern voice to me "how old are you?" Then wrote me a ticket for talking on my cel phone (which was in my pocket at the time).
And we have all heard of LEO trying to get freebies from the SW's. They are what they are. But don't mess with them. They live for that.
Sucker Bill
09-15-14, 23:15
Hey fellow mongers.
Just read this report. It happened last week in the Studio City area. I'm enclosing a link to her Facebook page where it has an account from her (Daniele Watts) she's the actress from Django Unchained.
Seems like she got taking into custody for kissing her SO in public! She's AA and her SO is white.
Here's her Facebook page link: https://www.facebook.com/wattsdaniele.
Mondo.I heard the cop interviewed and he said that more than one person reported seeing her riding his lap while they were parked, humping away. One of the complainers even pointed out the cum-soaked tissue she used to clean herself up afterwards and tossed on the ground. The officer said the guy was cooperative, but the girl simply walked away and ignored him. When another cruiser came by with a female officer, they grabbed the girl and handcuffed her. The guy didn't get in trouble, because he didn't cause trouble. This was not a racial incident. It was a disrespect incident, and we should all keep that in mind when dealing with the police.
I have been caught honking at hookers in front of cops, cruising a little too much in the same area, and even caught red-handed with a girl sucking my dick when the cops pulled up (four times that I can remember, it may be more) and because I handled it calmly, the cops were cool. The sergeant being interviewed sounded like a very cool guy, and I'm willing to bet if Daniel hadn't pulled such a bullshit diva act, the cop would have run her I. The. And the couple would have been gone with a little admonishing and no paperwork.
DinnerOut35
09-16-14, 14:09
My 20 year old finally reached out to me. Her email address and phone both were deleted and shut off. I know many of you reached out to me about her and I was frustrated myself that I couldn't find her or get ahold of her.
She called me in a desperate state. She said she was in a motel in Koreatown and could I help her with $100. I tried to ask her what was going on I. E her disappearing. I couldn't get an answer out of her. I felt something was amiss. I then told her what do I get for $100 and she said same as before.
I had a bad feeling about this. But I saw an episode of the tv show The Shield the day before so I was feeling adventurous.
Bad move.
I arrived at the motel. If that's what you call it. It was dirty on the outside and when I entered the lady behind the wall of bulletproof glass asked for me I'd. I said I was just visiting someone and just at that moment I heard screaming and kicking down the hall. The lady looked unaffected by this. I gave her an old work I'd from a job many years ago and walked to my 20 year old room. As I approached I could hear other voices behind the door. I stood to the side of the door as I knocked not knowing if some guys were going to grab me and pull me into the room to rob me. I knocked and my 20 year old answered the door.
My God.
The room was covered in trash and debris. Awful chemical smells emanated from the room. I am assuming it was illegal substances. I could even see a needle on the table. There were two guys and two other girls in this small hotel room. My 20 year old looked like she had not slept in 2 days. She looked absolutely awful. I asked her "what is this" and she whispered "we can do it in the bathroom".
I turned and walked away. I walked to the lady to get my I'd back and my 20 year old and some stoned out young guy comes with her. She says "its ok my friends all know what I am doing'. And the guys says "yeah its cool".
I walked the block to my car and left (never park your car near where you do the deed. Safer for you). I was not going to contribute nor get involved in a chemical induced situation. LEO and bad things always happen. I deleted her number. I think I saved us all a lot of trouble.
Showdown.
DinnerOut35
09-17-14, 13:46
Short of living under a rock most of us have heard about NFL star Ray Rice. He has been suspended-essentially career ending-from the NFL because of a video of him knocking out his wife with his fist on an elevator in Atlantic City, NJ.
Now let's get this out of the way. I do not support, encourage or believe that ANYONE should be beaten, struck or physically assaulted. Period end of story. We as grown men do not want to be punched in the face by a man who has trained his body to be a battering ram. Ray Rice in that regard used his body as a weapon against a defenseless-in a few senses anyway-person of the opposite sex.
And with that said-Ray Rice is the reason I started mongering.
A few facts about the Ray Rice situation:
*His wife took 20,000 dollars out of his bank account without telling him and gambled it away (ie she lost it all gambling) in the casino in Atlantic City.
* She then spat in his face several times during the verbal argument which led to the vicious assault on her.
A female in my family said to me "if anyone took 20,000 of my money and gambled it away and then spit on me when confronted by it I would have hit her too". Funny how the media does not talk about the actions that led to this. Again I DO NOT support anyone being viciously assaulted. I am simply speaking facts here.
My Ray Rice story.
Years ago when I lived in another state I broke up with a girl. She decided she wanted to get back at me by pulling the stunt that women did in the Martin Lawrence movie "A Thin Line between Love and Hate". You need to watch this movie guys. In the movie she slams her arm in a patio door and injures herself and then calls the police and claims domestic violence and Martin is arrested.
My ex did the same thing. A female cop showed up (funny thing was I wasn't even home when she called them. I went to get my things and the cops were already there) and within minutes arrested me. Here I am, a man that has never been arrested for anything (and frankly has always been a big supporting of following the letter of the law) sitting in the back of a patrol car with all my neighbors looking and my ex screaming how I slammed her into a patio window.
Long story short my job fired me. 85 K per year job. I got fired because they held me for 5 days in jail (I had no way to bail myself out. I had never been in trouble before and didn't know what to do back then. I was terrified). I sold one of my musclecars for money and got a lawyer. The lawyer had the nerve (a women) to tell me to just plead guilty and attend some classes. I said hell no. First domestic violence convictions mean you can never own a gun. And I like to hunt and have a gun in my home. Second it always will be known you have been convicted of something like this. And third I will not plead guilty to something I didn't do.
It took me a year guys. A year to prove she made it up and lied. I proved I was not only not at the house when she claimed she did it but every time she was to show up for court she had an excuse-her car broke down, she was sick and then finally she broke her foot (ridiculous). It cost me $13,450 to defend myself. All this over a single mom who was mad that I broke up with her-I. E. She no longer had that money coming in. When they finally got her in court by putting out a warrant she admitted she lied.
A year. $13,450 dollars. And they didn't charge her with lying or anything else. She simply was allowed to walk away.
I remember around that time thinking that the prostitutes I used to see around downtown where I lived might satisfy my cravings without the added drama. I started a web search and found this website. I read all about the dos and donts and I picked up my first SW. I was hooked.
I have never had a full time gf since. I learned that women have different weapons they use against men. They use the fact they have a vagina to extort money from us. They use our children as weapons against us. And why do we suffer this? Just to have some sex from time to time. I don't dislike women. Don't get me wrong. But men need to realize that most of us get involved with women for sex. We really don't want to be married and burdened with children. I have found most of us would rather enjoy the kids in our families without having our own and be able to go from chick to chick without being burdened with marriage rings and such. What am I saying here? I have found prostitutes to be a welcome change to how I was dealing with women before. For example if I meet a chick I like I:
A. Never tell them where I work (protect your money guys-it's what they want in the end).
B. Never tell them where I live (there are ways to do this. You never want them showing up at your door).
C. Always let them know I have money (I like to see how hard THEY chase after us when they know we have money even if we really don't. True story-I rented a Porsche from Hertz to meet this hot chick who I knew had 20 guys chasing her. Picked her up and she dropped those panties that evening when I knew that other guys couldn't even get a text message from her. Dumped her the next day).
D. Never give them your real phone number or email. Create a new email address just for chicks and use the Burner app to get a separate phone number.
Prostitutes don't expect any calls. And neither do I. I pay her to do what I want and then I toss her. I am respectful of course. You guys have read enough of my post to know that. But I bang her like a porno star and if I want to cum in her mouth or her face or whatever I do it. I pay her. And I leave.
Food for thought guys. Protect yourself.
"I don't pay hookers for sex. I pay them to leave. " Charlie Sheen.
Now if I can just find a pregnant SW (and for those of your who have asked why I want a pregnant SW-I just want the experience. Thats all.).
Showdown.
HollywoodGuy
09-17-14, 15:06
But men need to realize that most of us get involved with women for seIx. We really don't want to be married and burdened with children. Actually my dream was to be married with a kid in a suburban home with a white picket fence. I did get the kid and eventually became a single dad. But I have come to realize no girl is going to live up to my expectations. And bomb ass sex is the most important thing to me now. So this is the only way to go. I just look for the NP action as much as possible. No SW's or AMP's. Just a few UTR's and the occasional advertised Pro to fill in between the innocent new comers. At a minimum I get 3 times as much sex now as I did when I was married.
Actually my dream was to be married with a kid in a suburban home with a white picket fence. I did get the kid and eventually became a single dad. But I have come to realize no girl is going to live up to my expectations. And bomb ass sex is the most important thing to me now. So this is the only way to go. I just look for the NP action as much as possible. No SW's or AMP's. Just a few UTR's and the occasional advertised Pro to fill in between the innocent new comers. At a minimum I get 3 times as much sex now as I did when I was married.My situation is a little different. I AM married but as things go, sex has became too plain for my liking. Everything else is ok and honestly would not trade her for anything. She's as they say, a good catch.
I'm just not one who can commit to one woman when it comes to sex. Doesn't matter how attractive she is, I just can't bang one for the rest of my life. So for me, working girls, NP, etc fill in that void and I can say that now that I monger, I'm a happy married man. Quite honestly, I have never (99%) came across a working girl that I could say surpasses my wife in any way, including sex. And frankly, the more women I come across, the more I realize how lucky I am in that regard. I'm just a man who needs variety in sex; a different moan, different smell, taste, physique etc. I don't look for anything else from these women besides a bang.
Not looking to for a divorce or to be single for the test of my life. I'm slowly working towards a relationship with my wife where she'll be open to the idea or at least accept it but it's too early in the game to come out and be blunt about it. She's not one who gets jealous and has a basic understanding of a mans needs (unlike most women out there).
I almost got married at 18 with a long time girlfriend but had so many options for more pussy that I just could not do it. This was long before I discovered mongering and before I figured out I was probably a sex addict so I am sure I saved her some misery. My 4th girlfriend after her was pestering me to get married but I already knew that wasn't going to happen. I was fucking a bunch of other girls on the side and I am sure she was getting some strange herself and thought we would just be a bomb waiting to explode if we ever married.
The real kicker for my aversion to marriage was working in a retail jewelry store in my early 20's and helping brides to be pick out there wedding rings. The store had a bunch of security and camera's but what most didn't realize was we also had microphones on those camera's so we could hear if some commotion was happening while we were in the back. The conversations I would hear these woman having with there girlfriends while I was in the back doing something was incredible at times. I heard woman talking about the benefits they would get if there husbands were killed when deployed for war, it was like they were hoping for a payday at the expense of there future husbands life. The girlfriends who tried to convince there friends that if the guy really loves you he will spend $25 K on your ring even though the guy only makes $30 K a year and them agreeing. A lot of them hitting on me or some of my co-workers and just putting the wood to them while there poor sap fiances have no clue. It felt like it was about 50% of these woman who were all about themselves and viewed there future husbands as just a wage earner to fund there life. I would fuck these bitches extra hard and shove it up there asses without asking most of the time just from contempt, most of them actually liked it that way and would come back for more.
After that experience I really wanted to warn these poor saps what they were getting into. One guy I was sooooo tempted to send a post card or something because he seamed like such a nice guy and his girl was just a stinking rat. I felt real bad for him and I heard he went back to that same store about 3 or 4 years later with a new fiance after divorcing that succubus, never found out the whole story though.
I can't say I will never get married but it's not happening anytime soon. I think the problem for most people is they feel they are not complete until they get married because they are just not comfortable with themselves. If your looking for someone to complete you then it is a recipe for disaster IMO, you have to like yourself before others will like you.
I love woman, I also love variety so it is hard for me to think I will be satisfied with just one woman for the rest of my life. With the divorce rate at nearly 60% it seams that the majority also believes that 1 person for the rest of your life is not reasonable.
Monger longer my brothers!
Dam some of the best posting in years since I've been here! I'm glad I not married and still mongering. Your stories just vindicate my position to stay unmarried for some time.
All this talk about marriage. I never cared one way or the other. Married or not married didn't matter to me. If I ever met someone that I felt was my equal, I. E. Not inferior / superior, but a partner I would go for it. Mongering filled a void in my life that came close to getting me in trouble. I work around people that are desperate or not in their right frame of mind at the time and a few have nearly made me break and take advantage of them. The first time it happened my dick ended up in someones mouth and I immediately regretted it. Since then I use this as a means of curving the urge.
Sucker Bill
09-18-14, 08:56
Short of living under a rock most of us have heard about NFL star Ray Rice. He has been suspended-essentially career ending-from the NFL because of a video of him knocking out his wife with his fist on an elevator in Atlantic City, NJ.
Now let's get this out of the way. I do not support, encourage or believe that ANYONE should be beaten, struck or physically assaulted. Period end of story. We as grown men do not want to be punched in the face by a man who has trained his body to be a battering ram. Ray Rice in that regard used his body as a weapon against a defenseless-in a few senses anyway-person of the opposite sex.
And with that said-Ray Rice is the reason I started mongering.
A few facts about the Ray Rice situation:
*His wife took 20,000 dollars out of his bank account without telling him and gambled it away (ie she lost it all gambling) in the casino in Atlantic City.
* She then spat in his face several times during the verbal argument which led to the vicious assault on her.
A female in my family said to me "if anyone took 20,000 of my money and gambled it away and then spit on me when confronted by it I would have hit her too". Funny how the media does not talk about the actions that led to this. Again I DO NOT support anyone being viciously assaulted. I am simply speaking facts here.Here's what is left out of the Ray Rice story:
That's not his wife!
The woman in the video was his fiance at the time. After that incident, she still married him. This is now just catching up to him.
This just proves your point of how women view us. If you have money, that's all they see.
Sucker Bill
09-18-14, 09:07
My 20 year old finally reached out to me. Her email address and phone both were deleted and shut off. I know many of you reached out to me about her and I was frustrated myself that I couldn't find her or get ahold of her.
She called me in a desperate state. She said she was in a motel in Koreatown and could I help her with $100. I tried to ask her what was going on I. E her disappearing. I couldn't get an answer out of her. I felt something was amiss. I then told her what do I get for $100 and she said same as before.
I had a bad feeling about this. But I saw an episode of the tv show The Shield the day before so I was feeling adventurous.
My God.
The room was covered in trash and debris. Awful chemical smells emanated from the room. I am assuming it was illegal substances. I could even see a needle on the table. There were two guys and two other girls in this small hotel room. My 20 year old looked like she had not slept in 2 days. She looked absolutely awful. I asked her "what is this" and she whispered "we can do it in the bathroom".
I walked the block to my car and left (never park your car near where you do the deed. Safer for you). I was not going to contribute nor get involved in a chemical induced situation. LEO and bad things always happen. I deleted her number. I think I saved us all a lot of trouble.
Showdown.So sorry to hear this, both for the girl and the fun possibilities that are now over. It's like watching that dipshit 16-year-old crash the beautiful Corvette that Daddy gave her for her birthday.
I have a Las Vegas girl that I think I'm going to have to write off as well. Beautiful cheerleader type who was so sweet the first time I picked her up. Round two was a semi-rush job in her hotel room, and Round 3 sounded so dicey that I didn't even show up and that pissed her off to the point where I think she just ruined it for me. For a girl who made it clear that she never dates black guys, the blackest sounding guy I've ever heard answered her phone, and it sounded like Party Central in her room. As much as I'm dying to get my hands on that hot body again, I think it might be better to just thrown my money out the window than risk my ass seeing her again.
I am reconsidering any reason to go to a room with a girl. It sounds safer, but it's not necessarily better. Between the scumbags who stare you down when you're in the parking lot or walking to her door, the loser friends who keep knocking on her door while you're trying to get some action, and the risk of getting robbed or hurt once inside, the whole deal seems to go better in the car.
Dildo Baggens
09-18-14, 13:04
12 years ago a buddy of mine had a similar situation in Vegas, except he thought he was happily married, Until his wife started coming home at 2 am in the morning and telling him she was with her mother. Finally he got wise and hired a P. I. And discovered she was having a serious fling with another guy that supplied her with copious amounts of Oxycodone and wild sex.
Of course when he found out, it was divorce American style. She did a similar thing by beating herself with wood and creating black and blue marks and claimed abuse. He was arrested and put in a little orange jump suit and spent a long weekend in the Clark county jail. This is a guy that never had a record, couldn't say shit if he had a mouthful and had the appearance of Harvey Milktoast.
Lucky for him the physician that examined her determined they were self inflicted. Needless to say he will never marry again.
Short of living under a rock most of us have heard about NFL star Ray Rice. He has been suspended-essentially career ending-from the NFL because of a video of him knocking out his wife with his fist on an elevator in Atlantic City, NJ.
Now let's get this out of the way. I do not support, encourage or believe that ANYONE should be beaten, struck or physically assaulted. Period end of story. We as grown men do not want to be punched in the face by a man who has trained his body to be a battering ram. Ray Rice in that regard used his body as a weapon against a defenseless-in a few senses anyway-person of the opposite sex.
And with that said-Ray Rice is the reason I started mongering.
A few facts about the Ray Rice situation:
*His wife took 20,000 dollars out of his bank account without telling him and gambled it away (ie she lost it all gambling) in the casino in Atlantic City.
* She then spat in his face several times during the verbal argument which led to the vicious assault on her.
A female in my family said to me "if anyone took 20,000 of my money and gambled it away and then spit on me when confronted by it I would have hit her too". Funny how the media does not talk about the actions that led to this. Again I DO NOT support anyone being viciously assaulted. I am simply speaking facts here.
My Ray Rice story.
Years ago when I lived in another state I broke up with a girl. She decided she wanted to get back at me by pulling the stunt that women did in the Martin Lawrence movie "A Thin Line between Love and Hate". You need to watch this movie guys. In the movie she slams her arm in a patio door and injures herself and then calls the police and claims domestic violence and Martin is arrested.
My ex did the same thing. A female cop showed up (funny thing was I wasn't even home when she called them. I went to get my things and the cops were already there) and within minutes arrested me. Here I am, a man that has never been arrested for anything (and frankly has always been a big supporting of following the letter of the law) sitting in the back of a patrol car with all my neighbors looking and my ex screaming how I slammed her into a patio window.
Long story short my job fired me. 85 K per year job. I got fired because they held me for 5 days in jail (I had no way to bail myself out. I had never been in trouble before and didn't know what to do back then. I was terrified). I sold one of my musclecars for money and got a lawyer. The lawyer had the nerve (a women) to tell me to just plead guilty and attend some classes. I said hell no. First domestic violence convictions mean you can never own a gun. And I like to hunt and have a gun in my home. Second it always will be known you have been convicted of something like this. And third I will not plead guilty to something I didn't do.
It took me a year guys. A year to prove she made it up and lied. I proved I was not only not at the house when she claimed she did it but every time she was to show up for court she had an excuse-her car broke down, she was sick and then finally she broke her foot (ridiculous). It cost me $13,450 to defend myself. All this over a single mom who was mad that I broke up with her-I. E. She no longer had that money coming in. When they finally got her in court by putting out a warrant she admitted she lied.
A year. $13,450 dollars. And they didn't charge her with lying or anything else. She simply was allowed to walk away.
I remember around that time thinking that the prostitutes I used to see around downtown where I lived might satisfy my cravings without the added drama. I started a web search and found this website. I read all about the dos and donts and I picked up my first SW. I was hooked.
I have never had a full time gf since. I learned that women have different weapons they use against men. They use the fact they have a vagina to extort money from us. They use our children as weapons against us. And why do we suffer this? Just to have some sex from time to time. I don't dislike women. Don't get me wrong. But men need to realize that most of us get involved with women for sex. We really don't want to be married and burdened with children. I have found most of us would rather enjoy the kids in our families without having our own and be able to go from chick to chick without being burdened with marriage rings and such. What am I saying here? I have found prostitutes to be a welcome change to how I was dealing with women before. For example if I meet a chick I like I:
A. Never tell them where I work (protect your money guys-it's what they want in the end).
B. Never tell them where I live (there are ways to do this. You never want them showing up at your door).
C. Always let them know I have money (I like to see how hard THEY chase after us when they know we have money even if we really don't. True story-I rented a Porsche from Hertz to meet this hot chick who I knew had 20 guys chasing her. Picked her up and she dropped those panties that evening when I knew that other guys couldn't even get a text message from her. Dumped her the next day).
D. Never give them your real phone number or email. Create a new email address just for chicks and use the Burner app to get a separate phone number.
Prostitutes don't expect any calls. And neither do I. I pay her to do what I want and then I toss her. I am respectful of course. You guys have read enough of my post to know that. But I bang her like a porno star and if I want to cum in her mouth or her face or whatever I do it. I pay her. And I leave.
Food for thought guys. Protect yourself.
"I don't pay hookers for sex. I pay them to leave. " Charlie Sheen.
Now if I can just find a pregnant SW (and for those of your who have asked why I want a pregnant SW-I just want the experience. Thats all.).
Showdown.
So sorry to hear this, both for the girl and the fun possibilities that are now over. It's like watching that dipshit 16-year-old crash the beautiful Corvette that Daddy gave her for her birthday.
I have a Las Vegas girl that I think I'm going to have to write off as well. Beautiful cheerleader type who was so sweet the first time I picked her up. Round two was a semi-rush job in her hotel room, and Round 3 sounded so dicey that I didn't even show up and that pissed her off to the point where I think she just ruined it for me. For a girl who made it clear that she never dates black guys, the blackest sounding guy I've ever heard answered her phone, and it sounded like Party Central in her room. As much as I'm dying to get my hands on that hot body again, I think it might be better to just thrown my money out the window than risk my ass seeing her again.
I am reconsidering any reason to go to a room with a girl. It sounds safer, but it's not necessarily better. Between the scumbags who stare you down when you're in the parking lot or walking to her door, the loser friends who keep knocking on her door while you're trying to get some action, and the risk of getting robbed or hurt once inside, the whole deal seems to go better in the car.There have been a few times where I considered carrying heat while mongering for protection. After some considerable thought and a few scenarios in my head later, I concluded that even though I would be better protected, the consequences of the aftermath would almost always not be worth it. As strange as it sounds, while I'm mongering, I would rather be robbed than to have to shoot someone who's trying to rob me.
If it were someone breaking into my house in the middle of the night or while I'm walking down the street, it would be a different story. Pussy is almost never worth jail or a bad rap. Is it worth getting robbed for? Obviously or else we wouldn't be mongering.
Jack Reacher
09-18-14, 17:06
I found you a prego.
5 1/2 months prego.
DinnerOut35
09-18-14, 22:26
I found you a prego.
5 1/2 months prego.Not the prettiest but acceptable. Details my friend details. PM or share in the forum. Thanks.
Showdown.
Jack Reacher
09-19-14, 12:47
Not the prettiest but acceptable. Details my friend details. PM or share in the forum. Thanks.
Showdown.She can meet you at the Starbucks on Western & Slauson.
She is 20.
She wants 80 for a session. CBJ & CFS.
I will pm you her contact info.
Have fun. You owe me one.
REACHER.
Guys,
I am visiting the Southland for the first time in probably 6-7 years and want to carry on like I did when I was 10-15 years younger. I could use a resupply of the Blue Pill, preferably the 50 mg variety. I've seen a couple of ads on CL and wanted to ask if there wee any UTR sellers or if any of the sellers on CL were reliable. Thanks for any help and advice from locals out there. Please PM if desired.
Thanks again,
Max.
HollywoodGuy
09-20-14, 15:58
Guys,
I am visiting the Southland for the first time in probably 6-7 years and want to carry on like I did when I was 10-15 years younger. I could use a resupply of the Blue Pill, preferably the 50 mg variety. I've seen a couple of ads on CL and wanted to ask if there wee any UTR sellers or if any of the sellers on CL were reliable. Thanks for any help and advice from locals out there. Please PM if desired.
Thanks again,
Max.There are no "vitamin anything" sellers on CL that are selling the real thing.
Has anyone partied with the SoCalCircus Yahoo Group out in La Mirada, CA?
They have night GBs on Friday and Saturday, and a daytime GB on Monday every week.
If anyone has partied with them can you post a report please?
Has anyone partied with the SoCalCircus Yahoo Group out in La Mirada, CA?
They have night GBs on Friday and Saturday, and a daytime GB on Monday every week.
If anyone has partied with them can you post a report please?Went to a Daytime GB on a Monday a few months ago when they where hosting them in Ontario, fun times.
Has anyone partied with the SoCalCircus Yahoo Group out in La Mirada, CA?
They have night GBs on Friday and Saturday, and a daytime GB on Monday every week.
If anyone has partied with them can you post a report please?Went to a Daytime GB a few months back when they where hosting them in Ontario, fun times legit people.
Just wondering if any of you have ever dated a gal in Guadalajara or any other Mexican city / state besides Tijuana? I found a drop dead gorgeous chick while searching for latinas and I'm seriously considering taking a trip down there just for her. I do know I can get a lot of ass here for what I'll spend taking the trip but she is the epitome of what I think is hot! While it's obvious that many of the chicks on that site are fake, many appear to be real. I at least know that the pictures of this particular hottie were taken in Mexico because of the color of the home. What I don't know for sure is if the pictures really belong to the person that posted the ad. Fake ads on CL and BP are obvious to me because the blonde college party girl pics stick out like a sore thumb. Could it be the case with this chick and I just don't see it? Maybe she the Angie Varona of Mexico?
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Member #4870
09-23-14, 21:06
I hear Guadalajara has some of the hottest women in Mexico area.
But south america does also.
Lots of hot chicks in Guadalajara.
CreamyBare
09-24-14, 07:37
A year. $13,450 dollars. And they didn't charge her with lying or anything else. She simply was allowed to walk away.
n.That's because it's up to you to file a complaint, and in this case you should have filed a civil suit against her as well.
DinnerOut35
09-24-14, 11:28
Economics: Economics is the science that deals with the production, allocation, and use of goods and services.
In order to monger (in this case SW) we all must make money (production), use that money to maintain our car (allocation) and to pay the SW (services).
I became curious about the economics of street mongering after driving around for hours looking for a SW that fit my needs. So I did an exercise to determine if the time and cost of hunting a SW is worth it versus a massage parlor. Now only a fool goes to a massage parlor that does not offer FS. A quick look at Backpage and this forum will tell you which ones to go to. So lets assume that FS at any massage parlor is $150 on average. That's $50 to get in (the so called massage) and $100 to the girl.
Conditions.
*Western Blvd.
*Daytime.
*Car that gets 23 MPG city (average).
I started at the 10 freeway and Western and worked my way down to 76th street and Western. Action can be found all along this path. The distance between the 10 freeway and 76th street is 5. 3 miles. It takes (daytime) 14 minutes to drive this distance. The bulk of the action is from Western and 29th and Western and 76th. For most serious mongers we drive up and down looking for that perfect SW. Conditions determine much. Daytime, nighttime, where she is standing, who she is standing with, what she looks like and what you think she costs. Rarely do we pick the first SW we see. Which means we have to drive around and around to find what we want.
On this particular day I drove up and down Western three times. In my mind most guys will do it atleast twice and then on some side streets as well. So that's 15.9 miles. And to drive up and down Western three times takes 14 minutes. So in total that's 42 minutes.
*So at this point, just to drive up and down Western looking for a SW it will take you 42 minutes and 15.9 miles.
Now you need to arrive at Western from your starting point. I've picked four points in all directions from the 10 freeway and Western. Distances from Western and the 110 to the following places:
*Santa Monica-11 miles.
*Pasadena-15 miles.
*Long Beach-21 miles.
*Valley (Van Nuys) -21 miles.
Time wise, averaging all four locales, it will take you 30 minutes to get to Western. And averaging all four distances, it is 17 miles.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 72 minutes (1 hour and 12 minutes).
My car averaged 18 mpg for this exercise. I will say for this exercise that gas is $3. 75 per gallon. So for this exercise lets say I burned 2 gallons of gas at $3. 75 gallon.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes at a cost of $7. 50 in gasoline.
I have never paid more than $40 dollars for a SW on Western but I know many of you spend $60 for FS on Western. Plus a condom we will say (a Magnum) is $2 bucks.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW and $2 for the condom.
Then comes the question about wear and tear on your car and what is your time worth. I will combine then and say both are worth (combined) $20 per hour.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW, $2 for the condom and $22 for your time and wear and tear on the car.
I assume many of us will go to the Snooty Fox for a 2 hour room. That's $27 dollars.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW, $2 for the condom,$22 for your time and wear and tear on the car and $27 for the room.
Whats the verdict?
To find a SW on Western it will take you an hour and 12 minutes and you will need to drive 32 miles. It will cost you a total of $118 dollars.
I was surprised at this myself. Most of us are thinking "I'm only spending $40 or $60 bucks". But in reality its nearly double that cost. And it is a terribly inefficient process to find sex and fraught with dangers-robberies, LEO, being shot at (as one monger posted recently). So in my opinion a Massage Parlor is a safer, economically viable choice. For example if I pay my $50 and the girl does nothing I don't tip her. Period. The worker or the mamasan isn't going to rob you. And its very doubtful LEO is going to burst into the MP with you in there. And even if they did your reasons for being there are more legitimate than getting caught with your pants down in your car in a back alley.
Food for thought.
Now if I can find a pregnant SW.
Showdown.
God bless you, Showdown. I am so glad you found this site!
Economics: Economics is the science that deals with the production, allocation, and use of goods and services.
In order to monger (in this case SW) we all must make money (production), use that money to maintain our car (allocation) and to pay the SW (services).
I became curious about the economics of street mongering after driving around for hours looking for a SW that fit my needs. So I did an exercise to determine if the time and cost of hunting a SW is worth it versus a massage parlor. Now only a fool goes to a massage parlor that does not offer FS. A quick look at Backpage and this forum will tell you which ones to go to. So lets assume that FS at any massage parlor is $150 on average. That's $50 to get in (the so called massage) and $100 to the girl.
Conditions.
*Western Blvd.
*Daytime.
*Car that gets 23 MPG city (average).
I started at the 10 freeway and Western and worked my way down to 76th street and Western. Action can be found all along this path. The distance between the 10 freeway and 76th street is 5. 3 miles. It takes (daytime) 14 minutes to drive this distance. The bulk of the action is from Western and 29th and Western and 76th. For most serious mongers we drive up and down looking for that perfect SW. Conditions determine much. Daytime, nighttime, where she is standing, who she is standing with, what she looks like and what you think she costs. Rarely do we pick the first SW we see. Which means we have to drive around and around to find what we want.
On this particular day I drove up and down Western three times. In my mind most guys will do it atleast twice and then on some side streets as well. So that's 15.9 miles. And to drive up and down Western three times takes 14 minutes. So in total that's 42 minutes.
*So at this point, just to drive up and down Western looking for a SW it will take you 42 minutes and 15.9 miles.
Now you need to arrive at Western from your starting point. I've picked four points in all directions from the 10 freeway and Western. Distances from Western and the 110 to the following places:
*Santa Monica-11 miles.
*Pasadena-15 miles.
*Long Beach-21 miles.
*Valley (Van Nuys) -21 miles.
Time wise, averaging all four locales, it will take you 30 minutes to get to Western. And averaging all four distances, it is 17 miles.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 72 minutes (1 hour and 12 minutes).
My car averaged 18 mpg for this exercise. I will say for this exercise that gas is $3. 75 per gallon. So for this exercise lets say I burned 2 gallons of gas at $3. 75 gallon.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes at a cost of $7. 50 in gasoline.
I have never paid more than $40 dollars for a SW on Western but I know many of you spend $60 for FS on Western. Plus a condom we will say (a Magnum) is $2 bucks.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW and $2 for the condom.
Then comes the question about wear and tear on your car and what is your time worth. I will combine then and say both are worth (combined) $20 per hour.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW, $2 for the condom and $22 for your time and wear and tear on the car.
I assume many of us will go to the Snooty Fox for a 2 hour room. That's $27 dollars.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW, $2 for the condom,$22 for your time and wear and tear on the car and $27 for the room.
Whats the verdict?
To find a SW on Western it will take you an hour and 12 minutes and you will need to drive 32 miles. It will cost you a total of $118 dollars.
I was surprised at this myself. Most of us are thinking "I'm only spending $40 or $60 bucks". But in reality its nearly double that cost. And it is a terribly inefficient process to find sex and fraught with dangers-robberies, LEO, being shot at (as one monger posted recently). So in my opinion a Massage Parlor is a safer, economically viable choice. For example if I pay my $50 and the girl does nothing I don't tip her. Period. The worker or the mamasan isn't going to rob you. And its very doubtful LEO is going to burst into the MP with you in there. And even if they did your reasons for being there are more legitimate than getting caught with your pants down in your car in a back alley.
Food for thought.
Now if I can find a pregnant SW.
Showdown.
I hear Guadalajara has some of the hottest women in Mexico area.
But south america does also.
Lots of hot chicks in Guadalajara.Yes, Guadalajara is amazing, the best girls in Mexico area! Hi is Alondra, I've known through the web http://www.eroticos69.com.mx/escorts/ :
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My 20 year old finally reached out to me. Her email address and phone both were deleted and shut off. I know many of you reached out to me about her and I was frustrated myself that I couldn't find her or get ahold of her.
She called me in a desperate state. She said she was in a motel in Koreatown and could I help her with $100. I tried to ask her what was going on I. E her disappearing. I couldn't get an answer out of her. I felt something was amiss. I then told her what do I get for $100 and she said same as before.
I had a bad feeling about this. But I saw an episode of the tv show The Shield the day before so I was feeling adventurous.
Bad move.
I arrived at the motel. If that's what you call it. It was dirty on the outside and when I entered the lady behind the wall of bulletproof glass asked for me I'd. I said I was just visiting someone and just at that moment I heard screaming and kicking down the hall. The lady looked unaffected by this. I gave her an old work I'd from a job many years ago and walked to my 20 year old room. As I approached I could hear other voices behind the door. I stood to the side of the door as I knocked not knowing if some guys were going to grab me and pull me into the room to rob me. I knocked and my 20 year old answered the door.
My God.
The room was covered in trash and debris. Awful chemical smells emanated from the room. I am assuming it was illegal substances. I could even see a needle on the table. There were two guys and two other girls in this small hotel room. My 20 year old looked like she had not slept in 2 days. She looked absolutely awful. I asked her "what is this" and she whispered "we can do it in the bathroom".
I turned and walked away. I walked to the lady to get my I'd back and my 20 year old and some stoned out young guy comes with her. She says "its ok my friends all know what I am doing'. And the guys says "yeah its cool".
I walked the block to my car and left (never park your car near where you do the deed. Safer for you). I was not going to contribute nor get involved in a chemical induced situation. LEO and bad things always happen. I deleted her number. I think I saved us all a lot of trouble.
Showdown.Sorry it went down like that but good looking out for the other fellas bro!
BM.
3. 75 a gallon. Thats a pretty good deal.
Now if I could only find a big tittied girl who will take a facial for 5 dollars.
Economics: Economics is the science that deals with the production, allocation, and use of goods and services.
In order to monger (in this case SW) we all must make money (production), use that money to maintain our car (allocation) and to pay the SW (services).
I became curious about the economics of street mongering after driving around for hours looking for a SW that fit my needs. So I did an exercise to determine if the time and cost of hunting a SW is worth it versus a massage parlor. Now only a fool goes to a massage parlor that does not offer FS. A quick look at Backpage and this forum will tell you which ones to go to. So lets assume that FS at any massage parlor is $150 on average. That's $50 to get in (the so called massage) and $100 to the girl.
Conditions.
*Western Blvd.
*Daytime.
*Car that gets 23 MPG city (average).
I started at the 10 freeway and Western and worked my way down to 76th street and Western. Action can be found all along this path. The distance between the 10 freeway and 76th street is 5. 3 miles. It takes (daytime) 14 minutes to drive this distance. The bulk of the action is from Western and 29th and Western and 76th. For most serious mongers we drive up and down looking for that perfect SW. Conditions determine much. Daytime, nighttime, where she is standing, who she is standing with, what she looks like and what you think she costs. Rarely do we pick the first SW we see. Which means we have to drive around and around to find what we want.
On this particular day I drove up and down Western three times. In my mind most guys will do it atleast twice and then on some side streets as well. So that's 15.9 miles. And to drive up and down Western three times takes 14 minutes. So in total that's 42 minutes.
*So at this point, just to drive up and down Western looking for a SW it will take you 42 minutes and 15.9 miles.
Now you need to arrive at Western from your starting point. I've picked four points in all directions from the 10 freeway and Western. Distances from Western and the 110 to the following places:
*Santa Monica-11 miles.
*Pasadena-15 miles.
*Long Beach-21 miles.
*Valley (Van Nuys) -21 miles.
Time wise, averaging all four locales, it will take you 30 minutes to get to Western. And averaging all four distances, it is 17 miles.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 72 minutes (1 hour and 12 minutes).
My car averaged 18 mpg for this exercise. I will say for this exercise that gas is $3. 75 per gallon. So for this exercise lets say I burned 2 gallons of gas at $3. 75 gallon.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes at a cost of $7. 50 in gasoline.
I have never paid more than $40 dollars for a SW on Western but I know many of you spend $60 for FS on Western. Plus a condom we will say (a Magnum) is $2 bucks.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW and $2 for the condom.
Then comes the question about wear and tear on your car and what is your time worth. I will combine then and say both are worth (combined) $20 per hour.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW, $2 for the condom and $22 for your time and wear and tear on the car.
I assume many of us will go to the Snooty Fox for a 2 hour room. That's $27 dollars.
*So at this point you have driven 32 miles for 1 hour and 12 minutes, spent $7. 50 in gasoline, $60 for the SW, $2 for the condom,$22 for your time and wear and tear on the car and $27 for the room.
Whats the verdict?
To find a SW on Western it will take you an hour and 12 minutes and you will need to drive 32 miles. It will cost you a total of $118 dollars.
I was surprised at this myself. Most of us are thinking "I'm only spending $40 or $60 bucks". But in reality its nearly double that cost. And it is a terribly inefficient process to find sex and fraught with dangers-robberies, LEO, being shot at (as one monger posted recently). So in my opinion a Massage Parlor is a safer, economically viable choice. For example if I pay my $50 and the girl does nothing I don't tip her. Period. The worker or the mamasan isn't going to rob you. And its very doubtful LEO is going to burst into the MP with you in there. And even if they did your reasons for being there are more legitimate than getting caught with your pants down in your car in a back alley.
Food for thought.
Now if I can find a pregnant SW.
Showdown.
Economics: Economics is the science that deals with the production, allocation, and use of goods and services.
In order to monger (in this case SW) we all must make money (production), use that money to maintain our car (allocation) and to pay the SW (services).
Showdown.Very detailed analysis econo 101!
Very detailed analysis econo 101!As in any entertainment factor, the excitement factor is key. Some guys like the chase of the hunt, gets the mojo up so that has to be factored in. So its an entertainment value.
I agree, for me the AMP factor of the massage is worth it, and the convince of the extra and safety factor is well worth it.
I do drive one of the tracks at lunch just for the spotting factor, but never pick up. 40 years ago on Sunset Blvd, well that's a different story but you guys don't care. $10 bucks, no aids.
DinnerOut35
10-09-14, 13:49
I have a Craigslist strategy that I have honed over years of use. It has a 25% success rate that screens the girl, meets the girl, gets the sex out of the girl at a minimal cost and keeps the girl as a repeat. Trust me a 25% success rate with CL is pretty good given all of the foolishness out there.
I have been grooming (ie getting ready to meet and get what I want) a lovely 20 year old Greek (and when I say Greek I mean right off the boat from Greece) girl that needs money and support. After two weeks of conversations (remember boys always be patient and remember you control the $ so you are in control) I finally met with her. She initially said that a CBJ was the only possibility for $30 bucks. Yes $30 bucks. She needed enough money to keep gas in her scooter (she is a college student). I promised her the $30 weekly even if we didn't meet until we decided to stop meeting.
Why would I do this you ask? What makes her-call her Athena the Greek-worthy of $30 bucks a week?
For several reasons.
First girls always tend to minimize what they will do sexually until they actually meet you. In 95% of my experiences a girl will do more than what she says. So I knew-or had a reasonable assumption-that my $30 a week would get me more than a $30 CBJ. When a provider first meets you she doesn't know you. So looks, appearance, smell (Polo Red!) and other factors play into how much she will do beyond what she has already promised. Plus being handsome helps.
Athena was very late for our first meeting. I was angry-or so I let it appear to be to her. She said she was stuck in traffic and I told her I was leaving. I told her we had planned this and it was unacceptable to be late.
Control the situation guys!
She then started calling my phone and I wouldn't answer. She did this for about ten minutes and finally I answered. She apologized up and down and said she was so sorry. I told her I had already left (actually I was still parked near our meeting hotel in Koreatown). I actually watched her pull up and talk to me on the phone as she exclaimed her sorrow.
Gotcha!
She was a real sweetheart. Typical for a Greek girl, she was a little thick around the hips but her large boobs and her nipples (I could see them through her shirt) made up for it. We got in the room and initially she was scared I was LEO. I then pretended to walk out (control the situation guys) and she grabbed my arm and said she was convinced I was not LEO. I am such an experienced and serious monger I have business cards showing where I work (its not actually where I work but the number on the card answers to a v / m with my voice) so she knows I am not LEO. Preparation men!
After that she didn't wait five minutes. She asked me. Mind you asked me. What it was I wanted. I said you promised a CBJ. And without a word she disrobed and got on the bed. She had the largest areolas I have ever seen. Then she said "I like you".
That was all I needed to hear.
She then gave a very weak BJ (again I did an uncovered BJ. But with non pros I feel more comfortable doing this compared to a SW or AMP girl who I always use a condom with for everything). I was starting to think this was going to be a dead fish type of lay.
Wrong.
She then put her a*s in the air and said "pound it". I was a little surprised as she seemed to be a bit conservative but I guess the porn star in girls will come out if the right situation exists. I could see she was soaking wet. Her p*ssy was actually glistening. As I entered I could actually hear a slurping sound. Almost like she was sucking me in. She buried her head in the pillow and I pounded away. She was speaking Greek, then English. It was such a turn on I lasted less than ten minutes. Yes I know I didn't get missionary or anything else but guys the doggy was out of this world. And she was cumming (atleast twice) so hard her legs were shaking.
When we stopped she was beet red. She hugged me and held me. I could tell it met a lot to her for some reason. She then tells me she didn't have sex in a long time and that she was so happy I was kind to her and it was me.
Uh oh.
Another one getting too attached.
As we got dressed I went to get my wallet to pay her. She gently put her hand on my wallet and said"no".
I didn't say another word.
As we left there was a shop a few doors down. She asked me would I buy her a Vanilla Coke. I happily did so.
Imagine getting Athena the Greek in the sack. For a Vanilla Coke.
Showdown.
Christophe1
10-31-14, 14:07
Good and bad news. U-Haul 1 is no more.
I've had some memorial moments there and I just wanted to take a moment to reflect back on some of that good sweet Chinese pussy. I admire Sweet Cindi and Real_Madelin. She is a good woman and kept a good safe place. Sadly, I missed the glory days there. Good news is she went out like a champ and moved forward to continue having a good life. Also, someone else may have taken the place and hopefully they will restore the glory days with their new, fresh enthusiasm for success.
Salutations again to all you handsome devils. Making your treats count. May you have all the young, fresh good looking women, and realize many moments of clarity. Oh Lord.
If I had it all...
Christophe1
11-04-14, 00:26
Howdy Partners,
Right about now, I've been here for 3 years. This is my 900th post, that averages out to be 300 posts per year. Of the 900, roughly 2/3 were chopped full of information. Another 2/3rds were totally illegible and made the reader ask. "HUH? What's he typing about?"
Man, It's fun to go back and try to figure out what the hell I was trying to say. 40% of my posts have pictures. Another 30% reveal myself to the world. 30% more, show to you the things I hide.
Who wants to be A V E R A G E ? Come on now, everyone raise our hand. Me. Me.
I pass this once a week, or some weeks more. The Olympic torch. 350587With the LA mountains, skyscrapers, weather and amazing sunsets- who isn't inspired . One day, there may be an Olympics for our hobby. When that day comes, I don't want to be the average one. I definitely won't come in first, or even contend for one of the medals, but damn it to hell, I won't be average and I'll be in a race. I love women, and I'm going to spread my love around (wink-wink, nudge).
Since this is a sex site, Here's my story. This ones for me.
That pesky little Cupid has been hovering around my head with his bow drawn and arrow pointed towards my head. It has been fated.
There I was. There she was. She resembled my college co-ed Chinese cutie. Way back when we made love in a loft bed to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUOkg4jFNus.
Should I look backward or should I proceed forward. Uh yeah, got to lead foot the gas.
So this A (dragon) is possessed. Maybe it's me having recently gone to too many Chinese New Year Dragon Dances. You know how the dragon swings its head back and forth, sticks out its tongue, rolls its eyes, while hopping around posing, and blinking. Yeah! That just about sums up sex with her. It was awesome, especially when she was going to contract her pussy muscles to clench down on my dong. She made these crazy strained faces, dude it was intense. Then she would pull me in to lick my lips. Tongue fu black belt style.
Let me step back a little, this was my second time seeing her. After the first, I began to practice her faces, sadly enough; I even taught other women some of her moves. Making kissy faces, sticking out the tongue and gesturing come here with it. Yeah I was practicing in the mirror and with others so as to be prepared to unleash some of her medicine back at her. And it worked. I think my first visit with her I got the fresh Angel, new to the USA With promises of dreamed fortune. This time I got the less fresh and more robotic one. Although I really like her robotic version, it worked for me just like an aphrodisiac. Somehow, somewhere, we crossed over into another plane of together that transcended p4 p. I got the once in a lifetime visit. I think in the end I was there for 2 hours, and literally had her eating out of my hands. She was even feeding me nuts from her mouth.
The HJ/ BJ.
You know how kids are today? They see a camera and they instantly look up, bearing a big cheesy smile. That's how Dragon is when she sees my cock. An instant large Cheshire cat smile along with a horniness to match. Since she makes a living by spreading her legs and handing out smiles, I have to be different and show her again what real sex feels like. Caressing her, rubbing, fondling, playing, kissing, laughing, kissing again, and just having bed fun. Sex wasn't an option for this night, but there were still other ways to warm this old, Foghorn Leghorn's cockles at night. She gave me one of the best boner hardening, slobbery wet, saliva stringy, BBBJs that I've had in a long time. Thigh kissing, ball sack - sucking, up and down head bouncing & kissing, slippery wet HJ twirling with pumping (the kind that you see at a hardcore rock concert), along with my hands going around the world. Thirty minutes straight. The ribbon ceremony had her milking my sticky 4 day load spurting out all around her breasts.
AHHHHH.
This part is not fictional, as I tell you no lie; my toes curled, my ankles flexed and I heard about 15 audible fucking cracking pops as I gushed a gusher all over her boobs. It was so much fun. Off to the shower and back to the bed for round two.
DING DING
Christophe on the left, Dragon on the right... and they go in to meet...
Ladies and Gentlemen OMG it's total pandemonium. Crazy monkey dance. Who really believes in averages?
Always appreciate your posts. Keep them coming. I drive by that same spot daily. Now, I'll get a little chuckle as I drive past early in the morning!
I remember 3 different apartments operating out of U-Haul, were they all one provider?
Good and bad news. U-Haul 1 is no more.
I've had some memorial moments there and I just wanted to take a moment to reflect back on some of that good sweet Chinese pussy. I admire Sweet Cindi and Real_Madelin. She is a good woman and kept a good safe place. Sadly, I missed the glory days there. Good news is she went out like a champ and moved forward to continue having a good life. Also, someone else may have taken the place and hopefully they will restore the glory days with their new, fresh enthusiasm for success.
Salutations again to all you handsome devils. Making your treats count. May you have all the young, fresh good looking women, and realize many moments of clarity. Oh Lord.
If I had it all...
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DinnerOut35
11-08-14, 13:42
I am going to touch on a subject that needs addressing. And that is racism and mongering.
Now we have all heard the anecdotes before-.
*Its all the same color in the dark.
*Its all pink inside.
But evidently in Los Angeles this is not the case. And I say Los Angeles. I have mongered all over this planet and never have seen the overt racism that exist in the sex trade like I see in this city. And the racism even extends to people of the same race.
Visit Backpage and you will find atleast half of the white girls and 70% of the black girls write in their ads "No Black Men".
What the hell?
I assume they are implying that either A.Black men will rob/harm them B. Black men are disease ridden C.They are just outright racist. Regardless of their reasons they, will, in the pursuit of the green (money) ignore the black.
You see this same pattern with Craigslist ads that are posted.
Are black men prone to be disease ridden robbers than white, Latino or Asian?
There are several things going on here. And it strictly depends on where these women are (I. E. Street, Backpage etc).
First let me touch the most explosive one. Black women.
I am a man of color (black and Latin descent) and it amazes me in general how we hate ourselves. Yes its true. We are the only race I know of that addresses each other as and*gger. Do you hear whites address each other as "cracker" or Asians call each other "chink". No you don't. It is an internal hatred that extends back to slavery. Now black providers now extend that to black men. They will not have sex with a black man for money for fear of God knows what. What is fascinating is that though these providers will not serve black men they WILL get knocked up by one. Furthermore they will go with a non black man for money yet RARELY will you see a black women in a relationship with a white man. The Black SW are the absolute worst. In addition to 90% of them being overweight loudmouth whales they will have a black man attempt to pick them up and they will see he is black and simply walk away.
What the hell?
If you don't want to be with black (or even Latin) men why the hell are you street walking in the blackest and brownest parts of town (I. E Fig and Western). Why aren't you in Orange County or something? You are street walking where the bulk of the population is of color.
I don't give these women the time of day. Is a black man more prone to rob you, assault you or give you a disease? The first two are just as possible with white men at a truck stop or a Latino in East LA. But their hatred of themselves as black (dying your hair blond? Someone please tell them they look ridiculous) extends to other blacks as well. No SW is going to pick up a man driving an Cadillac Escalade with 4 other young looking guys in it. White, brown, Asian it does not matter.
Don't believe these SW hate being black and extend that hatred to black men who want to pick them up? Read Malcolm X from decades ago. He speaks of this internal hatred of one self.
Now lets touch on Backpage and CL.
Interestingly enough Asian providers rarely say "No black men" as black and white providers do. This is because in Asian cultures-and I can speak to this having spent many years of my life in Asia-do not have the prejudices Americans do. Their history does not teach them to hate non whites. They only learn it once they are in the US or if they are around racist people. I have seen this in practice in Asia. It's like the infamous story from the Korean War. When black soldiers first arrived the people had no problem with them. But as more arrived they were racist toward black soldiers. Why? Because white officers told them black soldiers had tails like monkeys.
Google it. Its true.
I have never ever when mongering been discriminated against by an Asian women. And yes there are few Asian SW. And in the massage parlors I have never had this happen. And don't say the women there HAVE TO go with you. Believe me I have seen Korean, Thai and Vietnamese girls in MP refuse to go with certain men. This never ever happened to me. They like to call you "chocolate" and things like that but it is all in good fun. No harm.
Latinas can be hit or miss. Given I have Latin blood and speak Spanish it depends on the Latina and where she is from. In LA they are mostly Mexican and blacks and Mexicans have a bad history here. So some of them in their ads will write "No black men". But in south Florida, where Latinas are from everywhere, I never saw this nor was ever discriminate against by a Latina. And Latinas are the bulk of providers in south Florida. In most Latin cultures you do not have such overt racism based on skin color though I have heard Brazil is the exception. But in Costa Rica and Dominican Republic and Jamaica they notice your skin color but do not practice the overt racism I see in LA.
Surprisingly, with white women, I do not find as many "no black men" on Backpage and CL as I would have thought. In fact a lot of my responses to CL ads are white women. You would think they would automatically be racist but this evidently is not true. I think sometimes popular culture and the press in the USA likes to keep people at each others throats and always make it seem everyone is hateful, spiteful and prejudice. I will tell you this. I have a stable of 9 providers. Three of them are white girls under 24. And when I first connected with them they gave less than a damn that I was black. When I mongered for SW in the Pacific NW almost every provider is white. And no one ever said no to me or just walked away from the car in disgust.
So what does this mean for men of color that are mongering?
You have to work harder.
I am an educated good looking man. And I use this as a carrot when I first connect with providers. Because of popular culture, that God awful rap music (ok TuPac was ok) and the fact that many YOUNG black men commit crimes I go out of my way to make them comfortable. When I hunt for SW I never play loud music and I always wear a shirt with a collar. I know it sounds a bit much but this is what you must do because of the racism among SW. When I go to AMP or meet a non pro the first time I do the same thing. And the black women that have gone with me(SW and CL/BP girls), even though it took some convincing on my part, all adored me afterwards and out of all the races I have been with mongering were most likely to call me alot and even invite me places with them. Even would give me freebies.
In all I have learned that LA is a racist place. With the history of Darryl Gates (LAPD), Rodney King and other things I can see why. It's a shame that when these providers are offering pink for the green that black and brown isn't wanted.
Food for thought.
Showdown.
Visit Backpage and you will find atleast half of the white girls and 70% of the black girls write in their ads "No Black Men".
What the hell?
.Aren't the "no black men" just instructions from their pimps who don't want to risk losing their meal tickets to someone else?
Just to add to this, I have spoken with a few providers on this subject. In my experience the reason they give me for not seeing blacks is usually one of 2 reasons. 1. They wear them out and they are too tired to see many more clients. And 2. They were robbed and or raped by a black monger. Usually its the violent thing. A black provider told me "broke ass nigga's always tryin' to get a discount. " One lady I know exclusively see's asian men only because they are all business and easily dealt with.
There are many different reasons for people doing what they do.
Well there is a practical view on things, since their main business is the repeat use of their genitalia, one may see the 'big dick' stereotype as a reason to avoid in order to get more mileage in a day.
Poon Hound
11-08-14, 17:55
I am going to touch on a subject that needs addressing. And that is racism and mongering.
Now we have all heard the anecdotes before-.
*Its all the same color in the dark.
*Its all pink inside.
But evidently in Los Angeles this is not the case. And I say Los Angeles. I have mongered all over this planet and never have seen the overt racism that exist in the sex trade like I see in this city. And the racism even extends to people of the same race.
Visit Backpage and you will find atleast half of the white girls and 70% of the black girls write in their ads "No Black Men".
What the hell?
I assume they are implying that either A.Black men will rob/harm them B. Black men are disease ridden C.They are just outright racist. Regardless of their reasons they, will, in the pursuit of the green (money) ignore the black.
You see this same pattern with Craigslist ads that are posted.
Are black men prone to be disease ridden robbers than white, Latino or Asian?
There are several things going on here. And it strictly depends on where these women are (I. E. Street, Backpage etc).
First let me touch the most explosive one. Black women.
I am a man of color (black and Latin descent) and it amazes me in general how we hate ourselves. Yes its true. We are the only race I know of that addresses each other as and*gger. Do you hear whites address each other as "cracker" or Asians call each other "chink". No you don't. It is an internal hatred that extends back to slavery. Now black providers now extend that to black men. They will not have sex with a black man for money for fear of God knows what. What is fascinating is that though these providers will not serve black men they WILL get knocked up by one. Furthermore they will go with a non black man for money yet RARELY will you see a black women in a relationship with a white man. The Black SW are the absolute worst. In addition to 90% of them being overweight loudmouth whales they will have a black man attempt to pick them up and they will see he is black and simply walk away.
What the hell?
If you don't want to be with black (or even Latin) men why the hell are you street walking in the blackest and brownest parts of town (I. E Fig and Western). Why aren't you in Orange County or something? You are street walking where the bulk of the population is of color.
I don't give these women the time of day. Is a black man more prone to rob you, assault you or give you a disease? The first two are just as possible with white men at a truck stop or a Latino in East LA. But their hatred of themselves as black (dying your hair blond? Someone please tell them they look ridiculous) extends to other blacks as well. No SW is going to pick up a man driving an Cadillac Escalade with 4 other young looking guys in it. White, brown, Asian it does not matter.
Don't believe these SW hate being black and extend that hatred to black men who want to pick them up? Read Malcolm X from decades ago. He speaks of this internal hatred of one self.
Now lets touch on Backpage and CL.
Interestingly enough Asian providers rarely say "No black men" as black and white providers do. This is because in Asian cultures-and I can speak to this having spent many years of my life in Asia-do not have the prejudices Americans do. Their history does not teach them to hate non whites. They only learn it once they are in the US or if they are around racist people. I have seen this in practice in Asia. It's like the infamous story from the Korean War. When black soldiers first arrived the people had no problem with them. But as more arrived they were racist toward black soldiers. Why? Because white officers told them black soldiers had tails like monkeys.
Google it. Its true.
I have never ever when mongering been discriminated against by an Asian women. And yes there are few Asian SW. And in the massage parlors I have never had this happen. And don't say the women there HAVE TO go with you. Believe me I have seen Korean, Thai and Vietnamese girls in MP refuse to go with certain men. This never ever happened to me. They like to call you "chocolate" and things like that but it is all in good fun. No harm.
Latinas can be hit or miss. Given I have Latin blood and speak Spanish it depends on the Latina and where she is from. In LA they are mostly Mexican and blacks and Mexicans have a bad history here. So some of them in their ads will write "No black men". But in south Florida, where Latinas are from everywhere, I never saw this nor was ever discriminate against by a Latina. And Latinas are the bulk of providers in south Florida. In most Latin cultures you do not have such overt racism based on skin color though I have heard Brazil is the exception. But in Costa Rica and Dominican Republic and Jamaica they notice your skin color but do not practice the overt racism I see in LA.
Surprisingly, with white women, I do not find as many "no black men" on Backpage and CL as I would have thought. In fact a lot of my responses to CL ads are white women. You would think they would automatically be racist but this evidently is not true. I think sometimes popular culture and the press in the USA likes to keep people at each others throats and always make it seem everyone is hateful, spiteful and prejudice. I will tell you this. I have a stable of 9 providers. Three of them are white girls under 24. And when I first connected with them they gave less than a damn that I was black. When I mongered for SW in the Pacific NW almost every provider is white. And no one ever said no to me or just walked away from the car in disgust.
So what does this mean for men of color that are mongering?
You have to work harder.
I am an educated good looking man. And I use this as a carrot when I first connect with providers. Because of popular culture, that God awful rap music (ok TuPac was ok) and the fact that many YOUNG black men commit crimes I go out of my way to make them comfortable. When I hunt for SW I never play loud music and I always wear a shirt with a collar. I know it sounds a bit much but this is what you must do because of the racism among SW. When I go to AMP or meet a non pro the first time I do the same thing. And the black women that have gone with me(SW and CL/BP girls), even though it took some convincing on my part, all adored me afterwards and out of all the races I have been with mongering were most likely to call me alot and even invite me places with them. Even would give me freebies.
In all I have learned that LA is a racist place. With the history of Darryl Gates (LAPD), Rodney King and other things I can see why. It's a shame that when these providers are offering pink for the green that black and brown isn't wanted.
Food for thought.
Showdown.It seems you have answered most of your own?'s. I've learned its mostly a Cali / pimp thing. The girls will go with older blk men (50+). They have blk bfs / pimps and probably don't like the races of the men they date (this is business / orders.) My latina (100% mex) reg thinks she's black and uses the nword more than most blks I know. So, she is another example of someone with self hatred. Just like most the girls purposely degrading themselves because of what past they can't get over. I've personally scaled back on SW. Its a sad state of affairs all around.
My reg told me she dated mostly blk guys in texas and atlanta (armed forces.) Not sure if she was pimped at this time. I looked at BP ads from these areas and didn't see any no blk men references.
Also, the reason they are SW is because of (most likely) a blk male. They are constantly doing everything and anyone (no matter how discusting, if pay is right) to please a blk man. A pimp is a step up (literally for these girls) from a child abuser! Both come in all colors but were talkin about LA.
Honestly, what you can't get on the streets you should be getting normally. Black men are the preference as far as I can see. But I can do alot better than working girls as well (why I'm leavin that shit alone for the most part.).
Jack Reacher
11-08-14, 18:16
What is your Latin heritage?
DinnerOut35
11-08-14, 20:44
What is your Latin heritage?My family are black Panamanians.
Christophe1
11-08-14, 21:34
..., but were talkin about LA.
LA has a cadre of guys with the ghetto mentality. No matter how much they illegally make or how nice the car they drive, there's the "I don't give a shit if I go to jail or die" attitude. A working woman is defenseless at a standoff with such a person, so I would guess they try to nip it in the bud by using a blanket statement. I've met several pimps and BFs and from the minute you are with them and the girl, she is berated and treated like a subjective serf. In the ghetto, dark skin girls (Black and Latina) are ostricized throughout chldhood and maybe that is carried with them into their adult life and how they view status. Anyone who shows some ability to get out of the ghetto, especially if they were part of the life, has it follow them like a pot of crabs. You pick one up and there are 5 more clawing on to escape or drag them back in. I never saw that in other parts of this country like it is prevalent here in South LA.
I try to stay away from PIMPED woman. IMO only a woman should decide what she allows done with her body. Plus, an Independant woman usually gives a higher level of service all around.
Furthermore they will go with a non black man for money yet RARELY will you see a black women in a relationship with a white man.
I see mixed couples all over the Westside, Hollywood, and all the major US cities. So many Black women with White and Asian guys its the NORM now. Plus the couples look HOT together. Unlike the Asian/ White mixes that you used to see where you knew it was all about the $ or Green card.
Some Asian women in MPs and AAMPs won't see Black men because of the stereotype. If a working woman gets a good going over, they can be out of work for a week or even more. I once got a friend a job in an AMP. She called me and was complaining about her vagina being so sore and asked me what she should do. Hell if I knew, but she had to leave early and couldn't work for a few days. The guy was White. My little half incher bottoms out on a lot of Asian women. That's why new Black costumers usually see the Latina with the bigger pelvic rim until they've been properly measured. I wouldn't type this if it wasn't from several sources.
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HollywoodGuy
11-09-14, 01:26
In all I have learned that LA is a racist place. With the history of Darryl Gates (LAPD), Rodney King and other things I can see why. It's a shame that when these providers are offering pink for the green that black and brown isn't wanted.I have lived on both coasts, the mid-west and the south. I have lived in small towns and major cities. And L. A. Is by far the least racist place I have encountered. I can't speak to foreign countries. But if you think L. A. Is racist you really haven't traveled this country much. I love your posts but just had to put in my 2 cents.
Being that I am Jewish (and obviously look jewish to anyone that is), one of favorite race baiting games is to take my girls to an orthodox jewish restaurant I frequent. Low prices and healthy food. The shock and awe that we get from the patrons is laughable most of the time. Kinda the way people look at a car accident. But it can range from outright hatred, to guys tripping over themselves to get a second look (or a third), to secret high fives from the dirty old men that only wish they could get some of that thang.
As far as providers and their preferences. Like any business owner all they are trying to do is mitigate their risk (real or imagined). And lets face it, they are in a risky business.
I have lived on both coasts, the mid-west and the south. I have lived in small towns and major cities. And L. A. Is by far the least racist place I have encountered. I can't speak to foreign countries. But if you think L. A. Is racist you really haven't traveled this country much. I love your posts but just had to put in my 2 cents.
Being that I am Jewish (and obviously look jewish to anyone that is), one of favorite race baiting games is to take my girls to an orthodox jewish restaurant I frequent. Low prices and healthy food. The shock and awe that we get from the patrons is laughable most of the time. Kinda the way people look at a car accident. But it can range from outright hatred, to guys tripping over themselves to get a second look (or a third), to secret high fives from the dirty old men that only wish they could get some of that thang.
As far as providers and their preferences. Like any business owner all they are trying to do is mitigate their risk (real or imagined). And lets face it, they are in a risky business.Adding my 2 cents in the mix here. I too was curious to the "no black men" statement until I became comfortable asking the working girls why they state that. I get a mix of responses but I would say 70% they say because black men don't pay, 20% say that they are too rough and "lose control / can't take no" and 10% other reasons. I don't know where this pimping thing came from as I have never heard this excuse from any working girl (both dependent and independent). This is just what I hear out there so don't kill the messenger.
Christophe1
11-09-14, 05:43
I have lived on both coasts, the mid-west and the south. I have lived in small towns and major cities. And L. A. Is by far the least racist place I have encountered. I can't speak to foreign countries. But if you think L. A. Is racist you really haven't traveled this country much. I love your posts but just had to put in my 2 cents.
Being that I am Jewish (and obviously look jewish to anyone that is), one of favorite race baiting games is to take my girls to an orthodox jewish restaurant I frequent. Low prices and healthy food. The shock and awe that we get from the patrons is laughable most of the time. Kinda the way people look at a car accident. But it can range from outright hatred, to guys tripping over themselves to get a second look (or a third), to secret high fives from the dirty old men that only wish they could get some of that thang.
As far as providers and their preferences. Like any business owner all they are trying to do is mitigate their risk (real or imagined). And lets face it, they are in a risky business.So you're that guy at Canter's. My dumb ass dines out with friends at Roscoe's on Manchester. Yep. Seen a lot of shit.
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did so. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. "
Twain
HG! Don't waist all your molla here. Let's go down to Teejay for a Tequila Christmas! Is The Camel still around?
Mphelper909
11-09-14, 05:51
I am going to touch on a subject that needs addressing. And that is racism and mongering.
Now we have all heard the anecdotes before-.
*Its all the same color in the dark.
*Its all pink inside.
But evidently in Los Angeles this is not the case. And I say Los Angeles. I have mongered all over this planet and never have seen the overt racism that exist in the sex trade like I see in this city. And the racism even extends to people of the same race.
Visit Backpage and you will find atleast half of the white girls and 70% of the black girls write in their ads "No Black Men".
What the hell?
I assume they are implying that either A.Black men will rob/harm them B. Black men are disease ridden C.They are just outright racist. Regardless of their reasons they, will, in the pursuit of the green (money) ignore the black.
You see this same pattern with Craigslist ads that are posted.
Are black men prone to be disease ridden robbers than white, Latino or Asian?
There are several things going on here. And it strictly depends on where these women are (I. E. Street, Backpage etc).
First let me touch the most explosive one. Black women.
I am a man of color (black and Latin descent) and it amazes me in general how we hate ourselves. Yes its true. We are the only race I know of that addresses each other as and*gger. Do you hear whites address each other as "cracker" or Asians call each other "chink". No you don't. It is an internal hatred that extends back to slavery. Now black providers now extend that to black men. They will not have sex with a black man for money for fear of God knows what. What is fascinating is that though these providers will not serve black men they WILL get knocked up by one. Furthermore they will go with a non black man for money yet RARELY will you see a black women in a relationship with a white man. The Black SW are the absolute worst. In addition to 90% of them being overweight loudmouth whales they will have a black man attempt to pick them up and they will see he is black and simply walk away.
What the hell?
If you don't want to be with black (or even Latin) men why the hell are you street walking in the blackest and brownest parts of town (I. E Fig and Western). Why aren't you in Orange County or something? You are street walking where the bulk of the population is of color.
I don't give these women the time of day. Is a black man more prone to rob you, assault you or give you a disease? The first two are just as possible with white men at a truck stop or a Latino in East LA. But their hatred of themselves as black (dying your hair blond? Someone please tell them they look ridiculous) extends to other blacks as well. No SW is going to pick up a man driving an Cadillac Escalade with 4 other young looking guys in it. White, brown, Asian it does not matter.
Don't believe these SW hate being black and extend that hatred to black men who want to pick them up? Read Malcolm X from decades ago. He speaks of this internal hatred of one self.
Now lets touch on Backpage and CL.
Interestingly enough Asian providers rarely say "No black men" as black and white providers do. This is because in Asian cultures-and I can speak to this having spent many years of my life in Asia-do not have the prejudices Americans do. Their history does not teach them to hate non whites. They only learn it once they are in the US or if they are around racist people. I have seen this in practice in Asia. It's like the infamous story from the Korean War. When black soldiers first arrived the people had no problem with them. But as more arrived they were racist toward black soldiers. Why? Because white officers told them black soldiers had tails like monkeys.
Google it. Its true.
I have never ever when mongering been discriminated against by an Asian women. And yes there are few Asian SW. And in the massage parlors I have never had this happen. And don't say the women there HAVE TO go with you. Believe me I have seen Korean, Thai and Vietnamese girls in MP refuse to go with certain men. This never ever happened to me. They like to call you "chocolate" and things like that but it is all in good fun. No harm.
Latinas can be hit or miss. Given I have Latin blood and speak Spanish it depends on the Latina and where she is from. In LA they are mostly Mexican and blacks and Mexicans have a bad history here. So some of them in their ads will write "No black men". But in south Florida, where Latinas are from everywhere, I never saw this nor was ever discriminate against by a Latina. And Latinas are the bulk of providers in south Florida. In most Latin cultures you do not have such overt racism based on skin color though I have heard Brazil is the exception. But in Costa Rica and Dominican Republic and Jamaica they notice your skin color but do not practice the overt racism I see in LA.
Surprisingly, with white women, I do not find as many "no black men" on Backpage and CL as I would have thought. In fact a lot of my responses to CL ads are white women. You would think they would automatically be racist but this evidently is not true. I think sometimes popular culture and the press in the USA likes to keep people at each others throats and always make it seem everyone is hateful, spiteful and prejudice. I will tell you this. I have a stable of 9 providers. Three of them are white girls under 24. And when I first connected with them they gave less than a damn that I was black. When I mongered for SW in the Pacific NW almost every provider is white. And no one ever said no to me or just walked away from the car in disgust.
So what does this mean for men of color that are mongering?
You have to work harder.
I am an educated good looking man. And I use this as a carrot when I first connect with providers. Because of popular culture, that God awful rap music (ok TuPac was ok) and the fact that many YOUNG black men commit crimes I go out of my way to make them comfortable. When I hunt for SW I never play loud music and I always wear a shirt with a collar. I know it sounds a bit much but this is what you must do because of the racism among SW. When I go to AMP or meet a non pro the first time I do the same thing. And the black women that have gone with me(SW and CL/BP girls), even though it took some convincing on my part, all adored me afterwards and out of all the races I have been with mongering were most likely to call me alot and even invite me places with them. Even would give me freebies.
In all I have learned that LA is a racist place. With the history of Darryl Gates (LAPD), Rodney King and other things I can see why. It's a shame that when these providers are offering pink for the green that black and brown isn't wanted.
Food for thought.
Showdown.I am black I see this shit all the time in SGV.
If these providers were poor in Asia or Latin American they would surely take us in if they thought we would bring them to the USA.
I have several Asian and black friends and their mothers are not worn out.
I can tell you one them no hooker has never tried to upsell me nor manipulate me because I would not go for it. She could bring her pimps or whoever.
No scams in the hotel nor be. S. From pimps they know black and Latin men will not allow upsell to get fucked out of money or a bait and switch.
My white and Asian friends in the hobby have been ripped off a few several times.
My 2 cents.
Poon Hound
11-09-14, 12:57
Adding my 2 cents in the mix here. I too was curious to the "no black men" statement until I became comfortable asking the working girls why they state that. I get a mix of responses but I would say 70% they say because black men don't pay, 20% say that they are too rough and "lose control / can't take no" and 10% other reasons. I don't know where this pimping thing came from as I have never heard this excuse from any working girl (both dependent and independent). This is just what I hear out there so don't kill the messenger.Theres a thing called "pimp arrest" and "gorilla pimpin". In areas like north and southern ca (with thug and gang culture) this is more likely to happen. If a girl even looks at a pimp, she's out of pocket (meaning he can take her and claim she "chose" to go with him.) So pimps will try and mix in with mongers and take the girls by suprise. Same can happen if a pimp (thug lookin to become a pimp) answers a BP ad.
In Cali gangs play a role because of where the tracks are. Even latinos try to tax girls for playing on their turf (ie oc. Where most sws are blk still.).
Most real pimps (on the blade) are blk and network w / eachother. They only go after unknown independents (usually) and will help guard other girls. In Cali a lot of bangers and wannabes try to get a girl (It only takes 1 to make you rich. Ie the bf / pimp.) Bottom bitches recruit girls for pimps too.
My reg latina never wants another pimp. So she will not be near blk males when working.
I just want to know where I can go to get pimped out by a hot chick to other hot chicks. Monger can only dream.
HollywoodGuy
11-09-14, 14:33
So you're that guy at Canter's. My dumb ass dines out with friends at Roscoe's on Manchester. Yep. Seen a lot of shit.
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did so. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. "
Twain
HG! Don't waist all your molla here. Let's go down to Teejay for a Tequila Christmas! Is The Camel still around?I kinda worry about the mileage on those Tijuana girls and the STD levels. But I like the idea of seeing some really hot young girls down there. LOL.
Last night I was driving around Dt there a lot LEO and Jw I drove for 15 min until I found the one Monica LSW I think she said she was 29 or 39 year old don't remind her age. Monica has great body. She only ask 40 I gave her 30 FS. Tits were small apple and her ass was little bit big and her face was baby doll and her skin was like a super soft and her pussy was tight like it was never have been fuck before. I saw on union and 8th st. She was wearing gray boots and black spandex pants and black / gray shirt. She wearing baby blue g string. She got into the my SUV she took off the boots and ask me get parking spot. I said oh ok I told her I have 30 she said it was fine she just want to get fuck. So I found spot. She took off every thing. If only penis could talk. Once she got nake I was trun on like 11 year that just walk in the strip joint. I took off my short she saw my tool. Her eye open up like it was Christmas. She start give me a bbj for like 12 min. I was fig her man pussy was tight my finger would get push out. I jump to the back seat she came right behide me she ask me fuck her hard I told I would she put on a hat me. I go to town. I was there for 30 min her was super tight I was get push out every 5 pump I did to her she would tell me fuck her hard I would. We did mish cg bcg. Every way I could of done her in my SUV. I Finish. She gose take off my hat off then another bbj. 5 min of that man I was tired it was like end days for me I am late 20's but still Monica must of been super horny. She finish me. She get dress I drop her off at her car I ask for number she didn't have phone at this time I told her I want to see you again next frinday I made appointment with her again I hoping to go get see her again I don't this she walker. If you see her just treat her rite.
Dildo Baggens
11-09-14, 17:29
I concur. I mainly see Asian providers and have had these discussions and pretty much say the same thing. Ripped off mostly and down the list, roughed up. It's probably far and few between, but a couple of bad or scary experiences can unfairly skew reality, especially coming from a mostly mono cultural Chinese perspective.
Baggens.
Adding my 2 cents in the mix here. I too was curious to the "no black men" statement until I became comfortable asking the working girls why they state that. I get a mix of responses but I would say 70% they say because black men don't pay, 20% say that they are too rough and "lose control / can't take no" and 10% other reasons. I don't know where this pimping thing came from as I have never heard this excuse from any working girl (both dependent and independent). This is just what I hear out there so don't kill the messenger.
I am going to touch on a subject that needs addressing. And that is racism and mongering....
Showdown.Good post, and thanks for it. As a guy who looks like most of the guys you see photographed at a KKK rally, I really hesitate when I see 'no black men' in an ad. I'm more and more often seeing 'no men under 35' or 40. I'm safe in both quadrants, but I don't want to even obliquely support racism. The age thing, I think may have more to do with Internet/gamer culture where women are never more than objects.
DinnerOut35
11-09-14, 20:04
Good post, and thanks for it. As a guy who looks like most of the guys you see photographed at a KKK rally, I really hesitate when I see 'no black men' in an ad. I'm more and more often seeing 'no men under 35' or 40. I'm safe in both quadrants, but I don't want to even obliquely support racism. The age thing, I think may have more to do with Internet/gamer culture where women are never more than objects.It is incredible the response that this post has had. Since yesterday I have gotten 18 PM's-more than I have ever gotten about any post-regarding this subject. Three of the PM's have been from people out of state and one post was from a guy in LA who said he is LEO and even he is discriminated against. America was always a great experiment-allowing everyone of different races, creeds, religions etc to live under the same flag. However Americas track record as it regards to race and even gender is awful. Even George Washington in his farewell address noted that slavery and foreign wars would do America in if it remained unchecked.
Nevertheless we all just have to monger on and do the best we can with the situation. I look at it like this. No matter where you go someone will not like you. If you are a Jew in Saudi Arabia they won't like you, if you are a Korean and in many parts of Japan theywill not like you, if you are Haitian and live in the Dominican Republic they won't like you. You just have to get over it and look for a better opportunity for yourself despite the challenges.
There are still enough women who don't care about race.. Those are the only ones I seek.
Now if I can find a non prejudiced (LOL) preggo or girl offering anal.
Showdown.
Lucky Daniel
11-09-14, 22:24
I look at it like this. No matter where you go someone will not like you.
Wise realism. It's maybe really worse outside America because the hatreds are instituted and entrenched in the same locale over generations and centuries. Sometimes I think our inter-community problems are almost play-acting by comparison. Sure we have folks with plenty of dislikes against other folks but in traditional rooted societies it's hatred as opposed to dislike. We haven't been in our country long enough, and we have too much contact with all the many other folks around us, to really get a true hatred going. I mean hatred the visceral uncompromising thing you can't see through with the capital H. Maybe the American case of rooted blind hate is the Hatfield versus McCoy thing. Minor in the national scene. When I was 21 I went and lived in Kenya for a couple years. I carried my expectations of what Africans would be like from my (scant, white) knowledge of what US black people were like. Why? I ask myself in retrospect. Because both are black. What! Was I thinkinnnngggggg? Frogs and oak trees are both green too. Didn't last long, I found out the local dynamic once I became a resident there. The different groups hate each other (it got loose in their 2008 post-election rioting and killing). Just because other people might be all different from me doesn't mean they are all the same as one another, not at all. Fine, if somebody hates somebody there's not too much I can do about it I like your post and attitude: Keep Calm and Monger On. And respect everybody. Thanks.
HollywoodGuy
11-10-14, 00:08
So you're that guy at Canter's. My dumb ass dines out with friends at Roscoe's on Manchester. Yep. Seen a lot of shit.
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did so. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. "
Twain
HG! Don't waist all your molla here. Let's go down to Teejay for a Tequila Christmas! Is The Camel still around?No not cantors (they are not even kosher). I am talking about ultra orthodox, long black coat wearing, black hats and long beards. You know like the ones in hancock park. Anyway. Very funny everytime.
Christophe1
11-10-14, 00:35
No not cantors (they are not even kosher). I am talking about ultra orthodox, long black coat wearing, black hats and long beards. You know like the ones in hancock park. Anyway. Very funny everytime.So what's the deal with those big furry Orthodox hats? I love driving down Fairfax on Saturdays and seeing all the Grand Poobahs walking around. The deeper you go in, the bigger and furrier the hats. I wish some of them would place saber-tooth tiger teeth ala Flintstones style sticking out the sides.
Tijuana girls seem to be fairly clean. I haven't done anything more crazy than have sex with three SGs in one day, well maybe 4. Might of spent $130 total to be with some really cute, friendly Latinas. Very safe sex. Sadly I haven't ever gone all out in one the SCs. I think it's regulated so the girls get health checks and carry a license? While there stock up on your favorite male enhancement drugs. Unfortunately Christmas in a Catholic country means a scarcity of Tijuana SWs as they go home to spend time with the family.
HollywoodGuy
11-10-14, 00:47
So what's the deal with those big furry Orthodox hats? I love driving down Fairfax on Saturdays and seeing all the Grand Poobahs walking around. The deeper you go in, the bigger and furrier the hats. I wish some of them would place saber-tooth tiger teeth ala Flintstones style sticking out the sides.
Tijuana girls seem to be fairly clean. I haven't done anything more crazy than have sex with three SGs in one day, well maybe 4. Might of spent $130 total to be with some really cute, friendly Latinas. Very safe sex. Sadly I haven't ever gone all out in one the SCs. I think it's regulated so the girls get health checks and carry a license? While there stock up on your favorite male enhancement drugs. Unfortunately Christmas in a Catholic country means a scarcity of Tijuana SWs as they go home to spend time with the family.I would like to stock up if they were not the so called generics. And yeah Christmas does not seem like the right time due to family obligations.
As far as the furry hats, its just the fashion. There is somewhat of a a dress code to denote the supposed depth of their convictions (the more costumey the more religious). But its more generational than religious these days. My grandad came from one of those families. The ultra orthodox do monger as they are only allowed to have sex with their wives about 20 days out of the month.
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I will give you the Skinny on her then 350863350864350865.I know several of you contacted me and still waiting for this one to re contact me. On Friday she contacted me and said her Boyfriend was going to be with her this weekend, but she would contact me on Monday. It appears he is still with her. So I guess we got to wait a bit more. Ho's So damn unreliable. Until they need something.
In the mean-time I met another Throw-Back chick 30 MILF. Offers a good Deal BBBJ to completion and in some cases BBGFE this one is a real Bargin and she has a phone number you can actually call. Anyone interested contact me at the USUAL place and I will share her Digits. She often can only play in the Daytime I will create a new post with her Pictures.
I have met me a Sexy BL Teen. This is a NON-Pro attitude chick. About 5' and only 98 lbs she is a Monster in doing what needs to be done. If you want to meet this Chick contact me on PM but make sure you have posted some things before so. I can't talk to Non Posters.
I will give you the Skinny on her then 350863350864350865.Hey Guys she just contacted me at 430 P PST and gave me her new number if you know how to contact me do so with a Ph Number and I will pass it on.
Hey Guys she just contacted me at 430 P PST and gave me her new number if you know how to contact me do so with a Ph Number and I will pass it on.As always, thanks for being willing to share numbers and putting in the work for us.
DinnerOut35
11-15-14, 15:44
I felt the need to write this after someone complained about LEO presence being heavy this past Thursday night and other nights. I think there is no such thing as a LEO presence being enough to dissuade you from mongering. I can say this with confidence because I picked up two SW on Western that night (one which I will post about).
How was I able to do this despite the supposed heavy LEO presence?
I employed the tactics of the Stealth Bomber.
What does this mean?
I recently watched a Discovery Channel special about the amazing B-2 Stealth bomber. For those uneducated on the subject any Stealth aircraft is almost invisible to radar making it able to attack its target before the target knows they are there and exit the target safely.
Mongering is no different.
Now before I go any further some of you are thinking "how is this guy applying military tactics to mongering"?
Do us mongers have an enemy?
LEO.
And they use guns, radios and body armor to stop what you are doing.
The B-2 Stealth faces enemy fighters and missiles.
Its no different folks.
I learned that Stealth aircraft attack missions involve four phases-reconnaissance, ingress, strike and egress.
How can we apply this to a heavy LEO presence to get what we want (the SW)?
I. Reconnaissance.
When you see a SW DRIVE AROUND THE BLOCK ONCE BEFORE PICKING HER UP. Look to see if LEO is around the corner in a van or undercover car. SW that are cops or cops looking to arrest mongers are within visual distance of you. You can avoid being caughtby simply driving around to see if they are there before you pick her up. B-2's have planes to scout their attack route. Why don't you do the same against the enemy defenses (LEO and their undercover cars)?
II. Ingress.
Ingress is when you approach your SW (target). PAY ATTENTION WHEN YOU DO. Do not have your radio blaring, do not make illegal you-turns and do not drive unsafely. This absolutely attracts LEO. Approach the SW with calm and precision. Park 20 or 30 feet from her. If she wants the $ trust me guys she will walk the 20 feet to you. Stopping in front of the SW is foolish and tells LEO exactly what you are doing. The B-2 approaches its target with radio silence, flies in a straight line in one direction and at the same altitude to avoid detection. Why don't you do the same?
III. Strike.
This is when you actually pick her up. Make sure you have turned off the door light in the car (the light that comes on when you open the door) because that attracts attention. Now guys-either you are going to pick her up or you are not. Why are guys rolling down windows talking to SW? Remember an undercover WILL NOT get in the car with you. I have never ever talked to a SW through the window. When she approaches I quickly size her up physically and unlock the door and let her in or I just drive off. Because I know generally what a SW should cost on Western ($40 for BJ and lately I have been getting FS for that). If she looks like she is overpriced YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU STOP. So either you can afford her or you can't. But the strike phase continues. When I stop for a SW I put the car in park and turn off the lights. Why? First blaring headlights on a sidestreet at 2 AM attracts attention. Also blaring red taillights attract attention and if the car is in park there is no need to have your foot on the brake lamps. Let her in, lock the door and drive off.
IV. Egress.
After you are done with the SW you need to drop her off. This, in my opinion, is more dangerous than picking her up. Generally a SW will want you to drop her off exactly where you picked her up.
DO NOT DO THIS.
Drop her a block or even a half a block from there. Why? Because the enemy (LEO) could be watching that spot. If they see you drop off a SW I have seen LEO pull guys over even after you drop the SW off. Most guys think that after the deed is done the potential for arrest is over. In fact the potential for arrest / being pulled over is just as great. And to top it off after you have gotten that amazing BJ or FS your mind is fuzzy. You have forgotten to put away all evidence of the deed -box of condoms, lube etc. This is calledprobably cause by LEO. Don't do this. Stay sharp. And even after you drive off pay attention to your rearview mirror. After a B-2 drops its bombs guess what? Now everyone knows the plane is there. And it better have a good egress plan or someone is going to be playing Top Gun with the B-2.
Now I know I went a bit overboard with the airplane analogy (it was a good documentary) but the rules apply to our hobby. That's how I, unlike others on the board, was able to score twice on Western on when LEO presence was heavy.
Food for thought.
Showdown.
Slowdown you nailed it!
Newbies print this out; study it before you go out on a mission.
It could save your bacon one day (or at least save you from the bacon).
HollywoodGuy
11-15-14, 16:23
Now if I can find a non prejudiced (LOL) preggo or girl offering anal.
Showdown.http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profile-3125089-spoiltayyyy-Greenmead-California-SugarBaby
Ivonnahumpalot
11-15-14, 22:39
When she approaches I quickly size her up physically and unlock the door and let her in or I just drive off. Because I know generally what a SW should cost on Western ($40 for BJ and lately I have been getting FS for that). If she looks like she is overpriced YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU STOP. So either you can afford her or you can't.
Showdown.I hope that everyone has read and memorized this part of the post.
Sucker Bill
11-23-14, 08:42
IV. Egress.
After you are done with the SW you need to drop her off. This, in my opinion, is more dangerous than picking her up. Generally a SW will want you to drop her off exactly where you picked her up.
DO NOT DO THIS.
Drop her a block or even a half a block from there. Why? Because the enemy (LEO) could be watching that spot. If they see you drop off a SW I have seen LEO pull guys over even after you drop the SW off. Most guys think that after the deed is done the potential for arrest is over. In fact the potential for arrest / being pulled over is just as great. And to top it off after you have gotten that amazing BJ or FS your mind is fuzzy. You have forgotten to put away all evidence of the deed -box of condoms, lube etc. This is calledprobably cause by LEO. Don't do this. Stay sharp. And even after you drive off pay attention to your rearview mirror. After a B-2 drops its bombs guess what? Now everyone knows the plane is there. And it better have a good egress plan or someone is going to be playing Top Gun with the B-2.
Showdown.I have taken this approach as well and it has served me well. Not only that, when I have altered this routine, I have come close to being hurt by it.
I dropped a girl off once at a building on 7th, despite protests that it was too high profile a move. She said "You're just dropping off a friend at her building. " No, I'm dropping off a girl that police see every day, and it's the middle of the night. The cops know the familiar faces better than we do, because they put in 40 hours a week in that vicinity while we put in 4. I dropped the girl off, and as I pulled away, there was a cop car approaching from in front of me about four blocks away. They clearly saw what I did, flipped a Uturn and followed me all the way to the freeway. I was clean, so they turned off, but it was tense. I never picked that girl up again.
Don't let the girls bullshit you. They say that if any of the lowlifes see them get out of a car, they get robbed because the slimebags know they have money. Bullshit. Those same slimebags are the guys they buy dope from. Girls walk around the streets with money all the time on their way to buy their dope. If drug dealers knew that some lowlife was stealing money that was headed their way, they would squash the guy into the sidewalk.
Be safe, boys.
I have taken this approach as well and it has served me well. Not only that, when I have altered this routine, I have come close to being hurt by it.
I dropped a girl off once at a building on 7th, despite protests that it was too high profile a move. She said "You're just dropping off a friend at her building. " No, I'm dropping off a girl that police see every day, and it's the middle of the night. The cops know the familiar faces better than we do, because they put in 40 hours a week in that vicinity while we put in 4. I dropped the girl off, and as I pulled away, there was a cop car approaching from in front of me about four blocks away. They clearly saw what I did, flipped a Uturn and followed me all the way to the freeway. I was clean, so they turned off, but it was tense. I never picked that girl up again.
Don't let the girls bullshit you. They say that if any of the lowlifes see them get out of a car, they get robbed because the slimebags know they have money. Bullshit. Those same slimebags are the guys they buy dope from. Girls walk around the streets with money all the time on their way to buy their dope. If drug dealers knew that some lowlife was stealing money that was headed their way, they would squash the guy into the sidewalk.
Be safe, boys.I couldn't agree more, about dropping them off at xsz place, its happen to me were I pick a girl up and then she's like can we pick up my cousin and I'm like WTF, once we have our fun I just want to drop them off asap so LEO won't get to me, but what's a nice way of telling a girl she can't use your phone, its happen to me were a girl kept trying to get to her fb but couldn't and wanted my pw to get to log into hers so I was no, long story short I dropped her off got out of there asap.
Sucker Bill
11-24-14, 04:01
I couldn't agree more, about dropping them off at xsz place, its happen to me were I pick a girl up and then she's like can we pick up my cousin and I'm like WTF, once we have our fun I just want to drop them off asap so LEO won't get to me, but what's a nice way of telling a girl she can't use your phone, its happen to me were a girl kept trying to get to her fb but couldn't and wanted my pw to get to log into hers so I was no, long story short I dropped her off got out of there asap.That's easy. Tell her "NO".
I always hide my phone while mongering. Keep it handy, but out of reach of anyone in the passenger's seat. And, keep it turned off so they don't hear it and that gives them the idea to ask to use it. You can tell them you don't have one, or you left it at home. If she knows you have one, tell her you don't let girls use your phone because every time you did in the past, whoever the girl called kept calling you at 1:00 in the morning and you don't need that bullshit.
And, yes, that did happen to me. A girl I trusted to bring to my place called someone who must have called my home phone 200 times at all hours of the night looking for her.
ThePussyHunter
12-05-14, 04:28
I haven't been on here that much because I've fallen in Love with a SW.
A few months ago I was driving down a track and saw this pretty SW walking, I didn't pick her up because I was on my way to pay some bills, I saw her once again a few days later, I was going to pick her up, I circled the block and she was gone, two days later I saw her again and finally got the chance to pick her up, I asked her how much for sex, she said $100. I said why not since I've been fiending for her for a while, on the way to the motel we had a really nice conversation, we both realized that we had many things in common, this pretty SW was very sweet and was working the streets to help her family.
We got to the motel, went in and since I was so attracted to her I just had to make a move to kiss her on her lips, she let me, and before I knew it, we were passionately french kissing each other as if she was my high school sweet heart. I was so into this experience that we went at it for about 3 hrs. During sex she kept telling me how she has never had a guy make love to her the way I did. After the sex, we kissed romantically, I licked her neck, her ear and gave her a massage, we talked about life and all kinds of stuff.
I told her that I wanted to see her again, she said "of course" since no man had ever banged her like I did in her life. But I stated that since I was the best lover she's ever had I wasn't going to pay her for sex, she was cool with it. We exchanged numbers, she gave me her personal number, we put our clothes back on, talked some more.
I called her the next day, we talked until her cell ran out of battery, she called me when it was charged and scheduled a booty call. I went over to her home, at first I was cautious about going inside, but brushed it aside, I went in, looked around to see if everything was ok, it was, and she was waiting for me in her bedroom on her bed, we had great sex for about 5 hrs, I went home afterwards, called her the next day and asked her if she would want to go on an actual date with me, she said yes.
As time went on I began to have feelings for her, she did for me also. We have so much in common, we get along great. I've met her family, she's met mine, we are now living together and are very happy with one another.
I've had other SW's that I've become personal lovers to in the past, I even have some that became my friends, I've been a monger for a little over a decade and have seen and experienced many things but I never thought I would actually fall in love and move in with a SW but this one is different, she is like my soul mate, I know some of you may laugh at me or think I'm crazy but this woman is unlike orhers I've come across in my life. I've actually previously been in a relationship with a SW in 2010, I went from being her client, to personal lover, to dating and being in a relationship with her, we broke up because she still wanted to work while being my GF.
I don't think I'll ever stop being a monger though, I'm addicted to it, I guess this former SW is also keeping my urges to monger low since we do a lot of role playing where I play a john and she's the nympho SW hahahahaha. I also think that her being a former SW has also helped since deep down in my head I still feel she is a SW except I bang her for free LOL.
During the days when my mongering was at its highest, I would come across SW's that would tell me how many of their SW friends would run off with their clients and get into real relationships with them.
Don't get me wrong guys, some of these SW's are con artists and will try to play us, get close, take all our money and run back to their pimps or where ever the fuck they came from so be careful. I got lucky with this one.
Stay safe everyone.
HollywoodGuy
12-05-14, 12:51
I haven't been on here that much because I've fallen in Love with a SW.Best story I have ever read on this site.
Cres Prophet2
12-05-14, 13:37
I haven't been on here that much because I've fallen in Love with a SW.
As time went on I began to have feelings for her, she did for me also. We have so much in common, we get along great. I've met her family, she's met mine, we are now living together and are very happy with one another.May the odds be in your favor for something successful.
Pics or it didn't happen.
Just kidding.
Mostly.
ThePussyHunter
12-05-14, 15:23
Best story I have ever read on this site.This relationship wasnt easy at first though, she had to resist the tempation from making fast money, I also had an altercation with her former pimp (which wasnt pretty) and other stuff. At times I wondered if it was all worth it and it was.
I haven't been on here that much because I've fallen in Love with a SW.
Don't get me wrong guys, some of these SW's are con artists and will try to play us, get close, take all our money and run back to their pimps or where ever the fuck they came from so be careful. I got lucky with this one.
Stay safe everyone.So its official now? Got any pix?
The Tall Man
12-05-14, 22:58
You will grow weary and tired, we all do, I have and will again in future. But for the time being just enjoy it. Does sound like you found the diamond in the rough.
Good Luck!
The Tall Man.
I haven't been on here that much because I've fallen in Love with a SW.
A few months ago I was driving down a track and saw this pretty SW walking, I didn't pick her up because I was on my way to pay some bills, I saw her once again a few days later, I was going to pick her up, I circled the block and she was gone, two days later I saw her again and finally got the chance to pick her up, I asked her how much for sex, she said $100. I said why not since I've been fiending for her for a while, on the way to the motel we had a really nice conversation, we both realized that we had many things in common, this pretty SW was very sweet and was working the streets to help her family.
We got to the motel, went in and since I was so attracted to her I just had to make a move to kiss her on her lips, she let me, and before I knew it, we were passionately french kissing each other as if she was my high school sweet heart. I was so into this experience that we went at it for about 3 hrs. During sex she kept telling me how she has never had a guy make love to her the way I did. After the sex, we kissed romantically, I licked her neck, her ear and gave her a massage, we talked about life and all kinds of stuff.
I told her that I wanted to see her again, she said "of course" since no man had ever banged her like I did in her life. But I stated that since I was the best lover she's ever had I wasn't going to pay her for sex, she was cool with it. We exchanged numbers, she gave me her personal number, we put our clothes back on, talked some more.
I called her the next day, we talked until her cell ran out of battery, she called me when it was charged and scheduled a booty call. I went over to her home, at first I was cautious about going inside, but brushed it aside, I went in, looked around to see if everything was ok, it was, and she was waiting for me in her bedroom on her bed, we had great sex for about 5 hrs, I went home afterwards, called her the next day and asked her if she would want to go on an actual date with me, she said yes.
As time went on I began to have feelings for her, she did for me also. We have so much in common, we get along great. I've met her family, she's met mine, we are now living together and are very happy with one another.
I've had other SW's that I've become personal lovers to in the past, I even have some that became my friends, I've been a monger for a little over a decade and have seen and experienced many things but I never thought I would actually fall in love and move in with a SW but this one is different, she is like my soul mate, I know some of you may laugh at me or think I'm crazy but this woman is unlike orhers I've come across in my life. I've actually previously been in a relationship with a SW in 2010, I went from being her client, to personal lover, to dating and being in a relationship with her, we broke up because she still wanted to work while being my GF.
I don't think I'll ever stop being a monger though, I'm addicted to it, I guess this former SW is also keeping my urges to monger low since we do a lot of role playing where I play a john and she's the nympho SW hahahahaha. I also think that her being a former SW has also helped since deep down in my head I still feel she is a SW except I bang her for free LOL.
During the days when my mongering was at its highest, I would come across SW's that would tell me how many of their SW friends would run off with their clients and get into real relationships with them.
Don't get me wrong guys, some of these SW's are con artists and will try to play us, get close, take all our money and run back to their pimps or where ever the fuck they came from so be careful. I got lucky with this one.
Stay safe everyone.
Tjinla2001
12-06-14, 15:42
You will grow weary and tired, we all do, I have and will again in future. But for the time being just enjoy it. Does sound like you found the diamond in the rough.
Good Luck!
The Tall Man.When I've dated high volume prostitutes, I always encouraged them to work more not less. They had more money and I was free to do other things. Eventually every prostitute I lived with or dated left, because a richer guy came along.
You will grow weary and tired, we all do, I have and will again in future. But for the time being just enjoy it. Does sound like you found the diamond in the rough.
Good Luck!
The Tall Man.
When I've dated high volume prostitutes, I always encouraged them to work more not less. They had more money and I was free to do other things. Eventually every prostitute I lived with or dated left, because a richer guy came along.Hey brothers,
Hieroglyphics on the Monger Gold Tablet.
Now that she is no longer working, how does she support herself and help family? Are you now a sugar daddy.
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