General Reports

[Paul Boomer]

If you haven't seen it today:

http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/six-homes-businesses-raided-in-suspected-prostitution-bust/article_5ba7bd2e-b6e9-5340-bb7f-67c9152326d1.html

I suspect it's coming to the independents next.I'm glad that TPD has all the murderers, drug dealers, bank robbers, child molesters, home invaders and jay walkers taken care of. Be careful if you have a stripper pole and womens.

Underware in the house.

[Canopy]

If you haven't seen it today:

http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/six-homes-businesses-raided-in-suspected-prostitution-bust/article_5ba7bd2e-b6e9-5340-bb7f-67c9152326d1.html

The info here is already a matter of public record, in the Tucson Star today.

I suspect it's coming to the independents next.I wonder if it already has, autumn, velvet, maribel, scarlet, Anna one touch all are missing haven't seen any of them post in quite some time.

[Uncivil]

Please let this Spanish situation serve as a teachable moment to each and every one of you. Don't subject to "screening". When it doubt, here's a good measuring stick: when a provider is asking you for any information, ask yourself if she would tell you that same information about her. If your answer is "no", then DON'T GIVE HER THAT INFORMATION!

Please guys, start using your heads. There are cops and a firefighter who's careers are about to be ended because they didn't think it through. Don't be like them.

[Uncivil]

All right, I am reading the affidavit in support of seizure warrant for Spanish, and I'm confused. I have only been engaged in this hobby for a little over 20 years now, so I guess I have a lot to learn. Can someone please tell me how the following items relate to prostitution in the slightest?

Knee bolsters.

Desk parts.

Collectible coins.

Watches.

Timberland boots.

Dewalt grinder (maybe some of you guys are REALLY kinky or something).

Sony ps3.

Wii game system.

11 pairs of Timberland shoes.

I have done some pretty crazy stuff. I have asked for some pretty crazy stuff and been told no. But, in all my years of hobbying I have never done or asked for anything that those above items would have been even remotely involved in. To me, this is just Uncle LEO making himself look foolish.

[LeaveHappy]

All right, I am reading the affidavit in support of seizure warrant for Spanish, and I'm confused. I have only been engaged in this hobby for a little over 20 years now, so I guess I have a lot to learn. Can someone please tell me how the following items relate to prostitution in the slightest?

I have done some pretty crazy stuff. I have asked for some pretty crazy stuff and been told no. But, in all my years of hobbying I have never done or asked for anything that those above items would have been even remotely involved in. To me, this is just Uncle LEO making himself look foolish.I suspect that it is not so much the items themselves, but the source of the money used to purchase those items?

[I Luv Head]

Please let this Spanish situation serve as a teachable moment to each and every one of you. Don't subject to "screening". When it doubt, here's a good measuring stick: when a provider is asking you for any information, ask yourself if she would tell you that same information about her. If your answer is "no", then DON'T GIVE HER THAT INFORMATION!

Please guys, start using your heads. There are cops and a firefighter who's careers are about to be ended because they didn't think it through. Don't be like them.Screening is not the problem if done properly. In some cities it's impossible to even see a provider without it and it is not going away any time soon. The key is to not provide any personal information about yourself. Use a hobby phone, a fake name and never give any personal information such as, your job, your address, your real name, etc. As long as nothing can be traced back to you then you have no worries. Most providers just want you to provide valid references and I have plenty of references that know me by a fake name with a fake phone number. I have been screened by many providers in many different cities and none of them have any personal information on me.

I'm not saying that I am in favor of screening here, but I am saying that a lot of really hot providers will not see you if you don't go through it and if you don't want to limit yourself then you need to come up with safe ways to pass their screening without incriminating yourself if they get busted. The funny thing is that these providers really think references are a guaranty that you are not LE, but I'm pretty sure LE would have no problem getting busted providers to vouch for them.

ILH.

[SmokeShopJoe]

Knee bolsters.

>>>Obviously there for the end of the shift on a long day.

Desk parts.

Collectible coins.
>>> prizes for loyal customers

Watches.

Timberland boots.

>>>Who doesn't like a HE from a girl wearing timberland boots.

Dewalt grinder (maybe some of you guys are REALLY kinky or something).

Sony ps3.

Wii game system.

11 pairs of Timberland shoes.

As for the rest it makes money at a police auction, they will take anything that they feel they can prove 51% that illicit income paid for so that they can sell it and keep the money to buy shit they don't need.

[Trudat1981]

I wonder if it already has, autumn, velvet, maribel, scarlet, Anna one touch all are missing haven't seen any of them post in quite some time.I have seen Velvet and Autumn post recently actually, however, they don't state their names. As for Scarlett, yes she got found out. Be safe out there.

TD.

[Uncivil]

I have seen Velvet and Autumn post recently actually, however, they don't state their names. As for Scarlett, yes she got found out. Be safe out there.

TD.I was about two hours away from calling Scarlett when I saw she posted here stating she kept excellent records of her clients. A crying shame. I thought she had an absolutely rocking body. But, fortunately for me the big head won and I didn't call her. Now I am glad I didn't.

[Daka1]

Police prostitution stings and arrests continue in Tucson, with several taking place recently.

Undercover officers, posing as clients, made appointments, visited providers, and arrested them.

Information was found on the City of Tucson webpage.

D

[John Doe 5830]

Not on the front page and I'm not sure where I should look. Just curious.


Police prostitution stings and arrests continue in Tucson, with several taking place recently.

Undercover officers, posing as clients, made appointments, visited providers, and arrested them.

Information was found on the City of Tucson webpage.

D

[MrGoodTime]

It goes with the territory, gentlemen.

http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-ignored-complaints-about-suspected-brothel-suit-says/article_ec7fbc80-9468-5dcf-b193-88b30b6c4e27.html

http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-strip-club-workers-sold-drugs-to-customers/article_862e54c6-a3da-11e2-9175-0019bb2963f4.html

Total weirdness these days. Glad I left the playing field. Always your free agent choice, though.

[Trudat1981]

Police prostitution stings and arrests continue in Tucson, with several taking place recently.

Undercover officers, posing as clients, made appointments, visited providers, and arrested them.

Information was found on the City of Tucson webpage.

DDo you have a link to that info? Thanks.

[John Doe 5830]

If you read the articles it had to do with Spanish which was taken down during the super bowl raids. No charges have been pressed yet which is the real news. The other one was just a drug bust. Not even having to do with "prostitution".

Regardless always be safe.

[MrGoodTime]

Police prostitution stings and arrests continue in Tucson, with several taking place recently.

Undercover officers, posing as clients, made appointments, visited providers, and arrested them.

Information was found on the City of Tucson webpage.

Dhttp://www.scrippsmedia.com/kgun9/news/Tucson-police-arrest-7-men-in-undercover-john-sting-292138321.html

[Daka1]

Not sure that they were recent If you read the articles it had to do with Spanish which was taken down during the super bowl raids. No charges have been pressed yet which is the real news. The other one was just a drug bust. Not even having to do with "prostitution".

Regardless always be safe.According to the Police Incident Reports on the City of Tucson webpage, two different people were popped just last week.

D

[SmokeShopJoe]

According to the Police Incident Reports on the City of Tucson webpage, two different people were popped just last week.

DHow does one find that info. I would be curious to see if a pattern can be found (locations / times).

[SmokeShopJoe]

Thats neat, Thanks. Well by that info it seems that they are just going after the ladies at the moment. But as long as one doesn't say any thing stupid in the text or over the phone and doesn't say how much for x we should still be fine. (yes I know it is murkier than that but just trying to make a quick summation)

[TucsonTaoist]

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4696191,1505190363,E151390691,1200 BLK OF N ****** BL,2015-05-19 00:00:00,1530,2015-05-19 00:00:00,1528,2015-05-19 00:00:00,1530,T304,TPD,1601,"PROSTITUTION",4,OTHER,OTHER,OFFICER,A,INCIDENT,2015-05-19 00:00:00,1600,SID,ISB,1012636.1998,452109.497703,GEOCODE,1300,N,4100,E,Steve C. Kozachik

1229111,N/A,E151390716,1200 BLK OF N ****** BL,2015-05-19 00:00:00,1615,2015-05-19 00:00:00,1615,2015-05-19 00:00:00,1615,T304,TPD, N/A,N/A,4,PROST, PROSTITUTION, OFFICER,C, INCIDENT/ARREST,2015-05-19 00:00:00,1615,SID, ISB,1012642.94619,451805.207349,GEOCODE,1300,N,4100,E,Steve C. Kozachik.
DIs he the officer? Seems like he's a city council member? NHA_NAME, hmmm.

[SmokeShopJoe]

No they list the wards of the incident by councilman. After going through it pretty heavily it seems like if you follow the generally accepted practices you won't end up on that list, and I can infer that yes ocean oasis did get popped as their address is in that list.

[TucsonTaoist]

No they list the wards of the incident by councilman. After going through it pretty heavily it seems like if you follow the generally accepted practices you won't end up on that list, and I can infer that yes ocean oasis did get popped as their address is in that list.Wow, that seems really weird.

[Paul Boomer]

Wow, that seems really weird.TPD won't respond to Tres Amigos call of robbery in progress but bust for a hand job? I guess a robbery you might have to do something.

[MrGoodTime]

Just wondering if anyone thinks that girls with credit cards are a good idea? I mean your visit is "really" on the record, including with the IRS, which isn't good for her either.

Of course, even if the provider sells something else not related to sex for money, it's not hard to put two and two together. And if she's busted, the credit card history goes straight into evidence.

Personally, I would never do that, and kept my massages on a cash basis only. This also kept it from the old lady, as in "What's this charge for?

[Big Fat E]

Just wondering if anyone thinks that girls with credit cards are a good idea? I mean your visit is "really" on the record, including with the IRS, which isn't good for her either.

Of course, even if the provider sells something else not related to sex for money, it's not hard to put two and two together. And if she's busted, the credit card history goes straight into evidence.

Personally, I would never do that, and kept my massages on a cash basis only. This also kept it from the old lady, as in "What's this charge for?1. Get a PO box for snail mail.

2. Open a Fidelity Cash Management account. It comes with a debit card & refunded ATM fees. Fund the account using checks.

[GodsGiftedOne]

Just wondering if anyone thinks that girls with credit cards are a good idea? I mean your visit is "really" on the record, including with the IRS, which isn't good for her either.

Of course, even if the provider sells something else not related to sex for money, it's not hard to put two and two together. And if she's busted, the credit card history goes straight into evidence.

Personally, I would never do that, and kept my massages on a cash basis only. This also kept it from the old lady, as in "What's this charge for?I don't worry about LEO trying to peice together a misdemeanor case against little ole me. I'm more concerned with my identity being stolen.

[I Luv Head]

Just wondering if anyone thinks that girls with credit cards are a good idea? I mean your visit is "really" on the record, including with the IRS, which isn't good for her either.

Of course, even if the provider sells something else not related to sex for money, it's not hard to put two and two together. And if she's busted, the credit card history goes straight into evidence.

Personally, I would never do that, and kept my massages on a cash basis only. This also kept it from the old lady, as in "What's this charge for?I remember when you had to buy an expensive card reader, have a dedicated line and pay professionals to install and setup the system in order to accept credit cards. The fact that anyone can buy a card reader and download an app to accept credit card payments now a days is pretty amazing. Technology never ceases to amaze me. That being said, I don't think it is ever a good idea to buy illegal things with a credit card. What's next? Will drug dealers start accepting credit?


1. Get a PO box for snail mail.

2. Open a Fidelity Cash Management account. It comes with a debit card & refunded ATM fees. Fund the account using checks.One of the main reasons of having a credit card is the convenience of not having to go to the bank and withdraw cash. Your process is a lot more inconvenient than just withdrawing cash. If you really wanted to use a card then why not just purchase a gift card with cash and use that. Getting a P. O. Box and having to pay by check, (leaving a paper trail) doesn't make any sense to me. I think I will stick to using good ole cash.

ILH.

[Gilligan46]

I remember when you had to buy an expensive card reader, have a dedicated line and pay professionals to install and setup the system in order to accept credit cards. The fact that anyone can buy a card reader and download an app to accept credit card payments now a days is pretty amazing. Technology never ceases to amaze me. That being said, I don't think it is ever a good idea to buy illegal things with a credit card. What's next? Will drug dealers start accepting credit?

One of the main reasons of having a credit card is the convenience of not having to go to the bank and withdraw cash. Your process is a lot more inconvenient than just withdrawing cash. If you really wanted to use a card then why not just purchase a gift card with cash and use that. Getting a P. O. Box and having to pay by check, (leaving a paper trail) doesn't make any sense to me. I think I will stick to using good ole cash.

ILH.Can always get cash using the ATM from my checking account. No way to tell what I used it for.

[Gilligan46]

TPD won't respond to Tres Amigos call of robbery in progress but bust for a hand job? I guess a robbery you might have to do something.Tis true. Why should police be concerned that money was involved with people having consensual sex. But if I take a gal to dinner and a show and spend 100 bucks and I am REWARDED with sex, it is perfectly legal. Government should stay out of our private affairs.

[Breno]

I searched for incident reports for TPD, but could not find anything like you displayed. What URL did you use, or what is the webpage called?

Thanks,

Breno.


No they list the wards of the incident by councilman. After going through it pretty heavily it seems like if you follow the generally accepted practices you won't end up on that list, and I can infer that yes ocean oasis did get popped as their address is in that list.

[GodsGiftedOne]

Anyone else notice that there has been no news coverage on Daisy's Delights? They went down on the same day.

[Desert1]

TPD won't respond to Tres Amigos call of robbery in progress but bust for a hand job? I guess a robbery you might have to do something.Given the comments by the police chief after they took 2+ hours to respond to a naked man attacking people at a local library with a knife about how the officers are free to choose what calls they respond to this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Tucson Police and the Pima County Sherriff's department are both on record making statements that they only enforce certain laws.

[Uncivil]

I was wondering if any of my hobbyist brothers ever got together with a provider for the first time, then upon meeting realized that you knew her in the past (or present, maybe) from outside the hobby. And, if this ever happened to any of you, did you proceed with the date upon the realization?

[LikesToPlay]

I was wondering if any of my hobbyist brothers ever got together with a provider for the first time, then upon meeting realized that you knew her in the past (or present, maybe) from outside the hobby. And, if this ever happened to any of you, did you proceed with the date upon the realization?Never met one that I knew before. But have run into ones after the encounter in odd places and different cities.

[Uncivil]

I've been seeing a lot of movies lately about glory holes. The movies I've seen are incredibly sexy. I love the idea of the anonymity, and just getting what I need and then leaving.

However, the obvious hurdle is how in the world would I know that it is a woman on the other end? I would insist on a female being at the other end.

Has anyone partaken in a glory hole? Did you enjoy it? Where are they?

[I Luv Head]

I've been seeing a lot of movies lately about glory holes. The movies I've seen are incredibly sexy. I love the idea of the anonymity, and just getting what I need and then leaving.

However, the obvious hurdle is how in the world would I know that it is a woman on the other end? I would insist on a female being at the other end.

Has anyone partaken in a glory hole? Did you enjoy it? Where are they?I always thought the idea of not knowing what is on the other side was the whole point of a glory hole, (which is why I have never partaken). It's all fun and games until you feel those hairy balls smacking against you or you feel the five o'clock shadow on your balls.

Seriously though, I have not heard of any in AZ. There were a few in Toledo and one in Detroit that I saw advertised, but that is about all I have ever seen. That being said, I have never really looked and I am sure they are out there if you are determined enough to find them.

Good luck,

ILH.

[Desert Rat 520]

It seems to me that the quality of goods on backpage has been pretty bad lately.

Was wondering if anyone can recommend other sites that have a good selection, and are trustworthy?

[NavyNow]

It seems to me that the quality of goods on backpage has been pretty bad lately.

Was wondering if anyone can recommend other sites that have a good selection, and are trustworthy?I got you bro.

http://tucson.skipthegames.com/

http://liverubreviews.com/ad/tucson/

http://tucson.oolaalaa.net/bodyrubs

http://dreaslist.com/tucson/

http://clasificadosphoenix.univision.com/es-us/TherapeuticMassage/

[BackItUp]

So where does one find these names that were released if they were not put in the paper?

http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/city-releases-hundreds-of-names-in-tucson-prostitution-probe/article_ccc84b22-1f79-11e5-a66a-f3b64af52f5c.html

[DesertNative]

Call Spanish, I'm sure she has them. Sorry the massage scene has really become theatrical. If you really want them and can't wait for them to be leaked to the public, you can file a FOIA request with TPD. What is crazy in my opinion, what about wrong numbers, pranksters and legitimate callers. I'm guessing those numbers will remain redacted as will any number that the caller did not admit under questioning to calling for services, legal or not. So if one was a regular caller / customer, he / she probably got a call from LE. While I can't imagine a scenario that merely being on a caller list establishes a prima facia case, I'm betting anyone who got a call was pretty unsettled. Who calls a massage girl 1700 times anyway, wow. I'd like to hear the explanation when LE shows up on your door step at dinner time with a photocopy of your drivers license and an email to a high profile provider that spilled her guts to make sure she didn't lose her son in a custody battle. Really fellas, even if you don't break any laws, LE will surely use whatever mean possible to arrest providers and / or discourage patronage. It's summer and the heat is on, stay in the shade. FWIW. DN.


So where does one find these names that were released if they were not put in the paper?

http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/city-releases-hundreds-of-names-in-tucson-prostitution-probe/article_ccc84b22-1f79-11e5-a66a-f3b64af52f5c.html

[MrGoodTime]

Sending my personal info to be collected into a providers dossier on me will go straight into the police report if she's ever brought down. I would never give out my employer, or home phone, or SSN (totally dumb).

Not until many years of trust until I knew the provider was not out to rip me off; then I shared personal info to some degree, and got theirs. Happened many times.

By $panish and Daisy were keeping a notes list on the Johns that should give anyone pause. Bet they all do.

Of course, it's their word against yours, and one could and did get legitimate massages there. Now It appears the indies are pick up the slack.

I can't believe how competitive it is out there. If they're 30+ the lifestyle is aging you fast, especially the ones who began as teens, although it's possible to carry on for decades, but what a tragic life in some ways.

Glad I'm not participating in the hobby for my own sanity, but for those who are giving and receiving, stay safe, and I hope you find something better. There is something far better.

[Member #5288]

It seems to me that the quality of goods on backpage has been pretty bad lately.

Was wondering if anyone can recommend other sites that have a good selection, and are trustworthy?I'm with you. Then you peruse the offerings in PHX and there's so much more. I've taken the trip once or twice just for that. I guess Tucson simply isn't big enough to draw a provider's attention.

All the sites listed below don't seem quite as easy to navigate as BP. I use http://liveescortreviews.com/gallery/tucson, although it's not really an alternative, useful primarily as a verification aid.

[GodsGiftedOne]

Ok so they kept notes, big deal. The only real info they had on you came from you. Spanish and Daisy did not screen their clients. Uncle LEO is not going to call 5000 numbers to try and convince guys to admit to a crime they can't prove unless you took video or admit to. Really I don't understand the paranoia.

[Member #4825]

Ok so they kept notes, big deal. The only real info they had on you came from you. Spanish and Daisy did not screen their clients. Uncle LEO is not going to call 5000 numbers to try and convince guys to admit to a crime they can't prove unless you took video or admit to. Really I don't understand the paranoia.I know serveral escorts delete all communications. After the date. I know LE can confiscate computers and recover deleted files and I think they have to have a court order to do that. That's a lot of trouble.

[Desert Rat 520]

Except they don't have to confiscate computers. Text messages and emails are all stored on your providers' servers and can be easily and quickly recalled by practically any of their tech support agents, let alone LEO. And laws are pretty liberal for LEO to request their archives.


I know serveral escorts delete all communications. After the date. I know LE can confiscate computers and recover deleted files and I think they have to have a court order to do that. That's a lot of trouble.

[TucsonTaoist]

http://www.kvoa.com/story/29559938/n4t-investigators-woman-at-the-center-of-illicit-massage-parlor-tells-her-side-as-investigation-into-police-comes-to-an-end

[Checkers999]

http://www.kvoa.com/story/29559938/n4t-investigators-woman-at-the-center-of-illicit-massage-parlor-tells-her-side-as-investigation-into-police-comes-to-an-endI think over for the most part (as far as criminal prosecutions). I hope everyone has a burner phone now. In about a week there will be another "big" story about the TPD officers' appeal. Then one or two on the fate of the owner. My guess is that they don't want to spend tons of money and time prosecuting someone for an occasional HJ, so they will either make her look like a big gangster / sex trafficker or let her off lightly. She has been punished more than enough already. KVOA is basically a tabloid rag, they will build this thing up and keep it alive for as long as they can.

I suggest avoiding them for news on this subject. The more mouse clicks they get, the more they are encouraged. Go with one of the other news channels in Tucson to stay up to date on this topic.

[Afinder2001]

The couple who tipped LE about Spanish now is suing Tucson City for $2 M, and then Spanish is suing this couple.

I love Tucson, this kind of drama just crippled the city, there are a lot better things to do with our hard earned tax money.


I think over for the most part (as far as criminal prosecutions). I hope everyone has a burner phone now. In about a week there will be another "big" story about the TPD officers' appeal. Then one or two on the fate of the owner. My guess is that they don't want to spend tons of money and time prosecuting someone for an occasional HJ, so they will either make her look like a big gangster / sex trafficker or let her off lightly. She has been punished more than enough already. KVOA is basically a tabloid rag, they will build this thing up and keep it alive for as long as they can.

I suggest avoiding them for news on this subject. The more mouse clicks they get, the more they are encouraged. Go with one of the other news channels in Tucson to stay up to date on this topic.

[Sencit]

The couple who tipped LE about Spanish now is suing Tucson City for $2 M, and then Spanish is suing this couple.

I love Tucson, this kind of drama just crippled the city, there are a lot better things to do with our hard earned tax money.The careers of these officers are over. Just for getting a HJ from another consenting adult. Maybe the business was not reporting taxes but it was employing a number of now jobless individuals.

Come on lets get our priorities straight.

[GodsGiftedOne]

So Destiny once again proving she is about as sharp as a ball of wet hair. I would link it but not sure if it violate forum rules. Article is in the AZ star.

[MrGoodTime]

So Destiny once again proving she is about as sharp as a ball of wet hair. I would link it but not sure if it violate forum rules. Article is in the AZ star.Article is in the public domain. Else what is the gist of it?

[Bertlong]

So Destiny once again proving she is about as sharp as a ball of wet hair. I would link it but not sure if it violate forum rules. Article is in the AZ star.Is this what you are talking about?

http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/operator-of-tucson-massage-parlor-gets-probation/article_b905a40d-e12d-58d5-951e-807ff37e88b6.html

[SubmisiveWoman]

Can any one help me with that. ?

[TucsonTaoist]

Can any one help me with that. ?At the top of every page on this site, I am annoyed by this (have you not noticed it?

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[Uncivil]

At the top of every page on this site, I am annoyed by this (have you not noticed it?
I also find it annoying. The nature of the message implies it is temporary, but it has been there for months now. Enough already. Thanks for saying something.

[TucsonTaoist]

I also find it annoying. The nature of the message implies it is temporary, but it has been there for months now. Enough already. Thanks for saying something.Yay, maybe we made it happen?!

[LuckyAZ]

If you did it, good on you!

[I Luv Head]

So I got an email reputedly from AD. It contained a name in response to my asking her to verify. It was the wrong name, not even close nor do I recall any providers using that name, real or pseudonym, during the time frame the real AD would have met this person. I dug a little deeper into the IP address and found that it was blacklisted in a couple of anti-hacking sites. Granted, there are several services from out of country companies that one can buy spoofed IP addresses but of the few locals I know, they choose a Tucson IP, like a Starbucks or fast food joint IP to emulate so it looks local. The IP I got off the header originated from Moffett Field Airport, a federal installation. Granted it too could be a spoof IP. I suppose AD could have forgotten my friends name, but I doubt it and with the blacklisted IP address, it looks more like a hacker than AD. So if anyone else has email headers, older is better, see if the IP addressees matches this one: 209.85.160.178. You can copy the entire header if you have trouble recognizing the originating IP, paste to a header tracing site and you will get the IP & location. Check out http://anti-hacker-alliance.com/index.php?details=209.85.160.178. I read on another site that this numner failed a number of tests and was likely a spam, pfishing or data mining IP. It makes me wonder how many providers have been hacked? Yesterday day I was texting a massage girl and I noticed her ads disappeared from BP during or extended conversation. When I asked her, she said other girls were messing with their ad. Right - that was a pass. Without going into the AD issues, anyone else interested in the hack issue?I moved this over from the BP Reviews since the following has nothing to do with BP reviews:

It really annoys the hell out of me when I see people that have no idea what they are talking about post information about hacking and or antihacking. In this case it is the ability to track someone by the email header. Most of the time people take it as the gospel since they don't understand how the internet, (The Cloud) works and the poster uses valid IT words or phrases that for all intents and purposes look good. Well, in this case they are incorrect and I will point out exactly why.

First off, in order for you to access the Internet you need a publicly routable IP Address so that traffic can flow to and from your computer, laptop, tablet and or cell phone. These IP Addresses are pretty much like a home address except for the fact that this public IP Address is not your address, it is the address of the Internet Service Povider, (ISP) that provides you Internet service, (ie Comcast, Cox etc). When you send an email the header will show the public IP you sent from then the email servers IP that is hosted online. This can only be traced back to the ISP and unless you have a court order, it cannot be traced any further unless you can hack into the ISP and gain access to their routers routing tables to see exactly what router that IP Address was assigned to and then gain access to their customer information to see exactly who has that router. This is all highly unlikely and highly ilegal and no one would go through all that trouble and risk unless they are going after the credit card information of the customers and not trying to track any specific individuals down.

I am not saying that Alexia was not hacked, but I am saying that unless DesertNative knows the exact Public IP Addresses she has been assigned at her home and or any ones she may be assirgned if she is on some random public wireless hotspot, at a friends house, on her cell phone or any other of the many possibilities, then there is no way he can tell by the sending IP Address of her email header that it is or is not her sending the emails. To believe otherwise is just plain silly.

There is an exception to this and that only applies to anyone who hosts their own email system and purchases a public IP Address and domain and registers that publicly. This is the case with most busnesses and all the information can be traced back to that specific business. You will still have to go through the company directory, (If it is publicly available) and find any names you may regognize to determine the actual person or you can hack into that companies email system and find the original email to determine what computer it came from. Then you can see who was logged into this computer at the exact time the email was sent. Again, this is all highly unlikely.

Now to the alegidly blacklisted IP Address that DesertNative claims "originated from Moffett Field Airport, a federal installation". It is in fact the public IP Address of one of Googles Mail Servers located in Mountain View, CA and is not blacklisted. I have verified this using ten different valid tools used by IT Professionals and every one came back with the exact same information. I then used a few command line tools that have been reliable and used since the days of DOS. I ran "NsLookup" and got the DNS name of the server with the IP Address "209.85. 160.178" and it comes back as "mail-yk0-f178. google.com". I then used "Tracert" and verified every hop along the way and there is nothing unexpected or suspicous with the route. I then used "Ping" to verify the Server is listening and responding. Finally I used "telnet" to verify the server was listening and I could connect on SMTP port 25, (The protocol and port used by email systems) and not listening on any other random ports. I am not sure why DesertNative is using the shady hacking site he put a link to in his post, but I would stay far away from shady sites like that, (unless you really want a virus) and I would never trust anything on the Internet unless it comes from a valid source.

As far as the topic of Alexia being hacked goes, if she was it was not by a real hacker. It was probably by someone who eithers knows or guessed her email account password and her BP account password. If she changed these regularly and used complex passwords it would probably take care of any chances of this happening in the future.

The last thing I will say is, I am not posting this in an attempt to start shit or argue. I am posting this to point out how ridiculous it is for someone to claim to be able to track someone by an email header. While it is not completely out of the realm of reality to posses these skills, someone with the ability to do so will not be publicly admitting to it and would never visit shady hacking sites. That is all I wanted to point out and now that it is off my chest I will drop it. If you feel the need to respond that is fine with me, but I will not reply nor will I discuss this anymore. I have said everything I needed to say.

Thank you,

ILH.

[NotDoneYet]

I moved this over from the BP Reviews since the following has nothing to do with BP reviews:

It really annoys the hell out of me when I see people that have no idea what they are talking about post information about hacking and or antihacking. In this case it is the ability to track someone by the email header. Most of the time people take it as the gospel since they don't understand how the internet, (The Cloud) works and the poster uses valid IT words or phrases that for all intents and purposes look good. Well, in this case they are incorrect and I will point out exactly why.

First off, in order for you to access the Internet you need a publicly routable IP Address so that traffic can flow to and from your computer, laptop, tablet and or cell phone. These IP Addresses are pretty much like a home address except for the fact that this public IP Address is not your address, it is the address of the Internet Service Povider, (ISP) that provides you Internet service, (ie Comcast, Cox etc). When you send an email the header will show the public IP you sent from then the email servers IP that is hosted online. This can only be traced back to the ISP and unless you have a court order, it cannot be traced any further unless you can hack into the ISP and gain access to their routers routing tables to see exactly what router that IP Address was assigned to and then gain access to their customer information to see exactly who has that router. This is all highly unlikely and highly ilegal and no one would go through all that trouble and risk unless they are going after the credit card information of the customers and not trying to track any specific individuals down.

I am not saying that Alexia was not hacked, but I am saying that unless DesertNative knows the exact Public IP Addresses she has been assigned at her home and or any ones she may be assirgned if she is on some random public wireless hotspot, at a friends house, on her cell phone or any other of the many possibilities, then there is no way he can tell by the sending IP Address of her email header that it is or is not her sending the emails. To believe otherwise is just plain silly.

There is an exception to this and that only applies to anyone who hosts their own email system and purchases a public IP Address and domain and registers that publicly. This is the case with most busnesses and all the information can be traced back to that specific business. You will still have to go through the company directory, (If it is publicly available) and find any names you may regognize to determine the actual person or you can hack into that companies email system and find the original email to determine what computer it came from. Then you can see who was logged into this computer at the exact time the email was sent. Again, this is all highly unlikely.

Now to the alegidly blacklisted IP Address that DesertNative claims "originated from Moffett Field Airport, a federal installation". It is in fact the public IP Address of one of Googles Mail Servers located in Mountain View, CA and is not blacklisted. I have verified this using ten different valid tools used by IT Professionals and every one came back with the exact same information. I then used a few command line tools that have been reliable and used since the days of DOS. I ran "NsLookup" and got the DNS name of the server with the IP Address "209.85. 160.178" and it comes back as "mail-yk0-f178. google.com". I then used "Tracert" and verified every hop along the way and there is nothing unexpected or suspicous with the route. I then used "Ping" to verify the Server is listening and responding. Finally I used "telnet" to verify the server was listening and I could connect on SMTP port 25, (The protocol and port used by email systems) and not listening on any other random ports. I am not sure why DesertNative is using the shady hacking site he put a link to in his post, but I would stay far away from shady sites like that, (unless you really want a virus) and I would never trust anything on the Internet unless it comes from a valid source.

As far as the topic of Alexia being hacked goes, if she was it was not by a real hacker. It was probably by someone who eithers knows or guessed her email account password and her BP account password. If she changed these regularly and used complex passwords it would probably take care of any chances of this happening in the future.

The last thing I will say is, I am not posting this in an attempt to start shit or argue. I am posting this to point out how ridiculous it is for someone to claim to be able to track someone by an email header. While it is not completely out of the realm of reality to posses these skills, someone with the ability to do so will not be publicly admitting to it and would never visit shady hacking sites. That is all I wanted to point out and now that it is off my chest I will drop it. If you feel the need to respond that is fine with me, but I will not reply nor will I discuss this anymore. I have said everything I needed to say.

Thank you,

ILH.Most people do not have the technology nor intelligence to do these sort of things anyway. Everyone should just move along and leave the young lady alone.

[DesertNative]

I moved this over from the BP Reviews since the following has nothing to do with BP reviews:

It really annoys the hell out of me when I see people that have no idea what they are talking about post information about hacking and or antihacking. In this case it is the ability to track someone by the email header. Most of the time people take it as the gospel since they don't understand how the internet, (The Cloud) works and the poster uses valid IT words or phrases that for all intents and purposes look good. Well, in this case they are incorrect and I will point out exactly why.

First off, in order for you to access the Internet you need a publicly routable IP Address so that traffic can flow to and from your computer, laptop, tablet and or cell phone. These IP Addresses are pretty much like a home address except for the fact that this public IP Address is not your address, it is the address of the Internet Service Povider, (ISP) that provides you Internet service, (ie Comcast, Cox etc). When you send an email the header will show the public IP you sent from then the email servers IP that is hosted online. This can only be traced back to the ISP and unless you have a court order, it cannot be traced any further unless you can hack into the ISP and gain access to their routers routing tables to see exactly what router that IP Address was assigned to and then gain access to their customer information to see exactly who has that router. This is all highly unlikely and highly ilegal and no one would go through all that trouble and risk unless they are going after the credit card information of the customers and not trying to track any specific individuals down.

I am not saying that Alexia was not hacked, but I am saying that unless DesertNative knows the exact Public IP Addresses she has been assigned at her home and or any ones she may be assirgned if she is on some random public wireless hotspot, at a friends house, on her cell phone or any other of the many possibilities, then there is no way he can tell by the sending IP Address of her email header that it is or is not her sending the emails. To believe otherwise is just plain silly.

There is an exception to this and that only applies to anyone who hosts their own email system and purchases a public IP Address and domain and registers that publicly. This is the case with most busnesses and all the information can be traced back to that specific business. You will still have to go through the company directory, (If it is publicly available) and find any names you may regognize to determine the actual person or you can hack into that companies email system and find the original email to determine what computer it came from. Then you can see who was logged into this computer at the exact time the email was sent. Again, this is all highly unlikely.

Now to the alegidly blacklisted IP Address that DesertNative claims "originated from Moffett Field Airport, a federal installation". It is in fact the public IP Address of one of Googles Mail Servers located in Mountain View, CA and is not blacklisted. I have verified this using ten different valid tools used by IT Professionals and every one came back with the exact same information. I then used a few command line tools that have been reliable and used since the days of DOS. I ran "NsLookup" and got the DNS name of the server with the IP Address "209.85. 160.178" and it comes back as "mail-yk0-f178. google.com". I then used "Tracert" and verified every hop along the way and there is nothing unexpected or suspicous with the route. I then used "Ping" to verify the Server is listening and responding. Finally I used "telnet" to verify the server was listening and I could connect on SMTP port 25, (The protocol and port used by email systems) and not listening on any other random ports. I am not sure why DesertNative is using the shady hacking site he put a link to in his post, but I would stay far away from shady sites like that, (unless you really want a virus) and I would never trust anything on the Internet unless it comes from a valid source.

As far as the topic of Alexia being hacked goes, if she was it was not by a real hacker. It was probably by someone who eithers knows or guessed her email account password and her BP account password. If she changed these regularly and used complex passwords it would probably take care of any chances of this happening in the future.

The last thing I will say is, I am not posting this in an attempt to start shit or argue. I am posting this to point out how ridiculous it is for someone to claim to be able to track someone by an email header. While it is not completely out of the realm of reality to posses these skills, someone with the ability to do so will not be publicly admitting to it and would never visit shady hacking sites. That is all I wanted to point out and now that it is off my chest I will drop it. If you feel the need to respond that is fine with me, but I will not reply nor will I discuss this anymore. I have said everything I needed to say.

Thank you,

ILH.Whoa ILH, did you not read the last sentence of my post you? I should have originally posted in this general discussion thread; sorry about that, but do any other board members want to know more about this stuff? Anyone have any better understanding that a lay person can understand?

I was hoping to get a discussion going about spoofing and fake ads, not AD. I appreciate anyone who has a higher level of understanding; I am by no means an expert on this topic. I too was able to confirm that the originating IP address was registered to Google in Mountain View, Ca. The lat / long. On google earth put it in or near a structure at Moffett Field. I also read on two sites that this IP address had been associated with spammers, hackers, etc. Another provider, no longer in town, told me that she subscribed to a foreign IP spoofing service that mimicked local IP addresses and that she could retrace my emails to the point of origin. She was going to show me but had to leave town abruptly. She could have been full of BS except I've read enough to understand this can be done but not enough do it or know enough about it to give a proper explanation; as to the latter, I am not sure you did either ILH but I appreciate your response even if you don't want to contribute further. Sure the internet has spawned a lot of inaccurate or false info, but there is a greater wealth of good information. I fully acknowledge a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing and I am only on the fringe of this knowledge base. I was hoping there might be forum members who might enlighten us. I know it's not about chasing pussy as many here might complain, but since the chase is primarily conducted on the internet, it ought to be of keen interest to anyone as to how it all works or maybe it's just me?

I wish someone with actual knowledge about the fake ads that pretty much populate all of the posts on CL casual encounters and what seems like a growing number on BP would speak out. I've speculated they are trying to capture phone numbers, info, etc. There has to some money-making scheme behind the all these ads and some mechanism via the internet to capture information that can be used or sold. This morning's local paper had quite an article on the hack of the Ashely Madison site, which I have firsthand connected to BP Miss Melaine xxx-5151 speaking of fake ads. And what about spoofing? Anyway, not to belabor the point, I'the like to learn more about the origin of email and texts, how to better insure anonymity, avoid fakes and scams. Guess this is my last word on the subject too if no one else has anything constructive to add.

Happy texting and email all. DN.

[Fanny Fan]

I can't believe this!

I was in Walmart earlier this evening, and noticed a girl with very long hair and a very nice ass in tight black shorts.

I followed her for a bit, and when she turned around at one point, I recognized her! She pretended to be talking on her phone, and she walked right by me. As she passed me, smiling broadly, I heard her say "outside".

So I ditch my shopping cart and follow her out the door and when we get to a darker area of the parking lot she says, "I don't want to talk, but I'll blow you for 50 in your car". I was stunned, and just said OK.

We did the deed in the back seat. She took her time, and spit into a Kleenex after. I gave her 3 Jacksons and said thank you.

Before she left, she said thank you, smiled, and kissed me on the mouth. Who am I to complain?

[NotDoneYet]

Dude! Which walmart? I need to do some shopping.


I can't believe this!

I was in Walmart earlier this evening, and noticed a girl with very long hair and a very nice ass in tight black shorts.

I followed her for a bit, and when she turned around at one point, I recognized her! She pretended to be talking on her phone, and she walked right by me. As she passed me, smiling broadly, I heard her say "outside".

So I ditch my shopping cart and follow her out the door and when we get to a darker area of the parking lot she says, "I don't want to talk, but I'll blow you for 50 in your car". I was stunned, and just said OK.

We did the deed in the back seat. She took her time, and spit into a Kleenex after. I gave her 3 Jacksons and said thank you.

Before she left, she said thank you, smiled, and kissed me on the mouth. Who am I to complain?

[I Luv Head]

I can't believe this!

I was in Walmart earlier this evening, and noticed a girl with very long hair and a very nice ass in tight black shorts.

I followed her for a bit, and when she turned around at one point, I recognized her! She pretended to be talking on her phone, and she walked right by me. As she passed me, smiling broadly, I heard her say "outside".

So I ditch my shopping cart and follow her out the door and when we get to a darker area of the parking lot she says, "I don't want to talk, but I'll blow you for 50 in your car". I was stunned, and just said OK.

We did the deed in the back seat. She took her time, and spit into a Kleenex after. I gave her 3 Jacksons and said thank you.

Before she left, she said thank you, smiled, and kissed me on the mouth. Who am I to complain?You say that you recognized her, but not from where. Is she a BP provider or SW? If so can you provide further detail and or a link to her ad?

Thanks,

ILH.

[Gilligan46]

I can't believe this!

I was in Walmart earlier this evening, and noticed a girl with very long hair and a very nice ass in tight black shorts.

I followed her for a bit, and when she turned around at one point, I recognized her! She pretended to be talking on her phone, and she walked right by me. As she passed me, smiling broadly, I heard her say "outside".

So I ditch my shopping cart and follow her out the door and when we get to a darker area of the parking lot she says, "I don't want to talk, but I'll blow you for 50 in your car". I was stunned, and just said OK.

We did the deed in the back seat. She took her time, and spit into a Kleenex after. I gave her 3 Jacksons and said thank you.

Before she left, she said thank you, smiled, and kissed me on the mouth. Who am I to complain?How can I find her?

[Fanny Fan]

I like to shop at the big 24-hour store at Speedway & Kolb after dark (roughly 8 PM to 2 AM). Unfortunately, ongoing construction is making this more complicated.

However, there are usually lots of cute young women there. Occasionally, one can even see one or another extremely beautiful and sexy woman, dressed to kill, who at least LOOKS for all the world like a high-dollar escort. I think some strippers shop there after they get off work.

The cute bubble-butt who did the BJ I am going to call Zenaida, which I hope is a unique name not to be confused with anyone else. My running into her was a completely random, fortuitous act. There is no ad for her that I know of, and I don't have her phone number. I strongly suspect that she fervently wishes to remain under the radar, and I have no desire to sabotage her plan. I sort of doubt that she would approach someone that she does not already know fairly well.

I really, really want to see her again. If I do I will give her 100 next time. I hope she reads this forum.

She is a stunner in so many ways. If you want to go hunting, you might consider showering and wearing nice clothes.

FF.

[HardCastle86]

......If you want to go hunting, you might consider showering and wearing nice clothes.

FF.Meh. Not worth it.

LOL just kidding. But it seems like a waste of time walking around walmart for hours, hoping to bump into one.

Yes I shop at that exact walmart and yes I see lots of gorgeous young girls that shop there too. But I wouldn't count on having the experience that Fanny Fan had.

If you enjoy window shopping and have time to kill then go for it. 8 pm and later is accurate. Thats when they all come out.

[TucsonTaoist]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/01/the-age-of-pre-crime-has-arrived/

[BigBoyyz]

No pun intended but what's better finding a provider for a massage and rcg or going to the strip club for a HJ? Pm me with recommendation. Looking for the most for my money.

[NatibusVenator]

No pun intended but what's better finding a provider for a massage and rcg or going to the strip club for a HJ? Pm me with recommendation. Looking for the most for my money.Strip clubs around these parts one can get RCG no problem.

[Gilligan46]

No pun intended but what's better finding a provider for a massage and rcg or going to the strip club for a HJ? Pm me with recommendation. Looking for the most for my money.With strip clubs it is a spur of the moment thing and probably less $$. With a good body rub you will spend more and get a nice hour of massage, conversation, and depending on the extras provided for additional $$, a very good time. Finding that good provider can be a challenge. That is what this site is for.

[BigBoyyz]

With strip clubs it is a spur of the moment thing and probably less $$. With a good body rub you will spend more and get a nice hour of massage, conversation, and depending on the extras provided for additional $$, a very good time. Finding that good provider can be a challenge. That is what this site is for.Thanks. For the reply.

[BigBoyyz]

Any reviews on this one.

http://tucson.backpage.com/BodyRubs/professional-body-rubs-by-fantasy/33432035

[Gilligan46]

Thanks. For the reply.Just wanted to add a bit to this thread. Decided to visit the boat today had a couple of dances with 3 different gal. All were very (friendly) . All wanted to go to the chmpagne room. All three made me "tingle" but I did not feel like blowing a see-note for 15 minutes in the dark and not really relaxed to enjoy myself. So I buzzed on down to the AMP on speedway. Enjoyed an hour ts and massage and left very happy. (see my post under massage joints) . So results can be had both places. It just depends on the mood one is in. Take out from a strip joint may be the best option but I think it will usually cost more.

[NatibusVenator]

Any reviews on this one.

http://tucson.backpage.com/BodyRubs/professional-body-rubs-by-fantasy/33432035This one has been posting on and off for almost a year. Sometimes solo sometimes sometimes as part of a group. However there haven't been any reviews or information to be found that I've seen.

[Fanny Fan]

December 17 is International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers.

The Huffington Post has an interesting blog article here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chi-mgbako/honoring-the-internationa_b_796860.html

FF.

[Gilligan46]

December 17 is International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers.

The Huffington Post has an interesting blog article here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chi-mgbako/honoring-the-internationa_b_796860.html

FF.Violence against srx workers should be dealt with exactly the s a me as violence against anyone else.

[BigBoyyz]

Any married guys in this sport? And if what are some tips to follow so the mrs. Doesn't catch on?

[Gilligan46]

Any married guys in this sport? And if what are some tips to follow so the mrs. Doesn't catch on?Send her to see her relative at least 500 miles away. Stash cash away regularly for that special use. Have a secret burner phone. Have stories about what you did while she was away.

[SmokeShopJoe]

Any married guys in this sport? And if what are some tips to follow so the mrs. Doesn't catch on?Start by saying I want to be a bit better with my weekly spending and use a cash envelope method to control how much I spend in a week. Then when don't spend all of your weekly fun money it will add up in a fund that she has no idea about. Take a day off of work when she is at work do your thing comeback clean up wash clothes. Make things normal and then either go back out and comeback home at your normal time or tell her it was slow so you came home early or what ever bull shit you want to sling. If you have a stay at home lady you will just need an accomplice to abuse a shower and washing machine.

[I Luv Head]

Any married guys in this sport? And if what are some tips to follow so the mrs. Doesn't catch on?The best thing you could do is to get a divorce and then you don't have to worry about being caught, (at least not by her). Both of you will be much better off.

You're welcome.

ILH.

[LikesToPlay]

The best thing you could do is to get a divorce and then you don't have to worry about being caught, (at least not by her). Both of you will be much better off.

You're welcome.

ILH.Lots of good ideas. But if you won't divorce. A gym membership is all the cover you need. They have showers. And she will expect you to come home wet if you shower at the gym. When you are at lunch w the guys. Pay w your card and collect the cash from the other diners. Burner phone is a non negotiable. You must get one.

[BigBoyyz]

Send her to see her relative at least 500 miles away. Stash cash away regularly for that special use. Have a secret burner phone. Have stories about what you did while she was away.Hahah awesome.

[BigBoyyz]

Thanks for the advice. I'm not into escorts I'm more of a strip club pvt room and local body rub provider tupe of guy. Family is leaving on Wednesday I was thinking of hitting up Jazz or Venom not sure yet.

[Gilligan46]

Hahah awesome.That is how I do it. Have had a week of freedom and the money remains unaccounted for.

[Gilligan46]

Thanks for the advice. I'm not into escorts I'm more of a strip club pvt room and local body rub provider tupe of guy. Family is leaving on Wednesday I was thinking of hitting up Jazz or Venom not sure yet.Try Carmen rose or kitanna. Better looking gals at the boat. Venom has more than their share of fat hogs, unless that is what you like.

[Gilligan46]

The best thing you could do is to get a divorce and then you don't have to worry about being caught, (at least not by her). Both of you will be much better off.

You're welcome.

ILH.Been there, done that.

[BigBoyyz]

Try Carmen rose or kitanna. Better looking gals at the boat. Venom has more than their share of fat hogs, unless that is what you like.LOL no hogs here might try the boat on Wednesday if that's a bust there is alway jazz👍.

[MrGoodTime]

Whatever happened to the multitude of women working at By $panish or Daisy's or Pearls? Did any ever return to be providers? Sage and Carmen did from Pearls.

I'm wondering if many of these women (smartly so) took the busts as a chance to leave prostitution.

LE has also been active over the summer busting numerous independents. Probably still active.

These well-known independents have all returned to profession, that I'm aware of. The danger to them is that subsequent arrests will start to mean jail, additional lawyer fees perhaps, bond fees, etc.

This exacerbates their already challenging, risky lifestyle, that in most cases is at the bottom of the societal food chain, and often goes hand in hand with drug use, anyway.

Whoring is the worlds oldest profession. I've seen it do a lot of damage, but for many women, it beats being on the street.

I wish them well.

[YoniLicker]

Got local elections coming up? And you thought 3 Strikes and You Are Of was a Fiasco!!

They same morons who insisted that Marijuana should be a classed as a highly dangerous drug, those ones who have NEVER hears of how Prohibition created the environment spawning corruption, violence, gangland murders, who ignore how futile The War on Drugs has been, how the Wrong Headed beliefs have simply packed prisons far past capacity, have decided that their success forcing women to have pregnancies carried to birth have decided to apply the same ruthless, lies, and barroom logic to men and women who agree to trade sex for money.

Now remember the reason why weed was called weed is cause it is a weed that grows all over the world. Remember how the War on Drugs created the environment where it made economic sense to grow it in the USA vrs importing it (remember Pequot supplied by the USA so Mexico could spray marijuana crops rather than destroy them! That made it safe to grow in the USA, like in California, for a lot of Moonshiners to grow weed instead. PLUS, that spawned the demand for testing the weed you bought to make sure it was laced with cancer causing sprays!! Through constantly improved testing people could vastly improve desired capabilities of what they grew. TADA!! Super concentrated weed!!

Course human beings aren't weeds. But the people who can afford to pay for sex has a constant change over, new crops keep popping up. People who choose sex trade rather than starve, well that ain't gettin better! I assume the percentage of people who enter the sex trade is constant.

What do those strangely weird people think they can accomplish?? They can make it more dangerous, which means higher profits are necessary, which drives up price, which attracts more people who want to make money!!

The War on Having SEX will be just as effective as the War on Drugs.

There are times when I'm amazed that Mexico doesn't get sick and tired of the death and destruction the WAR on Drugs forced upon them. Why Columbia tolerates it just puzzles the hell out of me!!

Central and south America to The USA "You insist on your WAR? "FUCK YOU ASSHOLES! "We aren't letting you destroy our country; government sanctioned production strictly for local consumption! SORRY if your demand created holes in our distribution system! You solve that problem cause it ain't our problem!!

Give me an F.

Give me an you.

Give me a see.

Give me a K!!

Give me another you!!

What's that spell?

What's that spell!!

Thanks Country Joe for Leading the Way1.

Greek Deprived.


Whatever happened to the multitude of women working at By $panish or Daisy's or Pearls? Did any ever return to be providers? Sage and Carmen did from Pearls.

I'm wondering if many of these women (smartly so) took the busts as a chance to leave prostitution.

LE has also been active over the summer busting numerous independents. Probably still active.

These well-known independents have all returned to profession, that I'm aware of. The danger to them is that subsequent arrests will start to mean jail, additional lawyer fees perhaps, bond fees, etc.

This exacerbates their already challenging, risky lifestyle, that in most cases is at the bottom of the societal food chain, and often goes hand in hand with drug use, anyway.

Whoring is the worlds oldest profession. I've seen it do a lot of damage, but for many women, it beats being on the street.

I wish them well.

[MrGoodTime]

Got local elections coming up? And you thought 3 Strikes and You Are Of was a Fiasco!!

Greek Deprived.A sure way to tell that it's an election year is the number prostitution busts.

Women are in prostitution to survive. It's always been so. Arrests aren't helpful. Social programs to get women out of selling their bodies might be.

That, and an economy that lets one survive on minimum wage, which one can't now.

It's a cost benefits analysis, and man, can a woman make a lot of money selling her pussy.

[John Doe 5830]

A sure way to tell that it's an election year is the number prostitution busts.

Women are in prostitution to survive. It's always been so. Arrests aren't helpful. Social programs to get women out of selling their bodies might be.

That, and an economy that lets one survive on minimum wage, which one can't now.

It's a cost benefits analysis, and man, can a woman make a lot of money selling her pussy.You know I'm unsure if it should be illegal. If you sell a service and it happens to involve your body who are we to tell people what to do with their bodies. It would probably be safer if it wasn't illegal and there was the ability for them to be protected and or regulated as a business.

But who am I? I'm just a random schmuck who pays lots of taxes.

[MrGoodTime]

You know I'm unsure if it should be illegal. If you sell a service and it happens to involve your body who are we to tell people what to do with their bodies. It would probably be safer if it wasn't illegal and there was the ability for them to be protected and or regulated as a business.

But who am I? I'm just a random schmuck who pays lots of taxes.If you think prostitution is a negative, then allowing LE to intervene, as with suicide being illegal, is a method.

In truth, arrests almost never stops the negatives of the business, which are deceit, abuse, disease, pimps, drugs, etc. The women can't stop working, almost never do.

If it can in any way be positive, certainly as a former monger I saw some positives which were satisfying my needs and supporting the lady, it should be legal, regulated, and offer an out.

In both cases, a viable option to get women out makes sense, and I'm against human bondage. In my case, that was one big personal reason to leave mongering.

IMHO.

[Sencit]

You know I'm unsure if it should be illegal. If you sell a service and it happens to involve your body who are we to tell people what to do with their bodies. It would probably be safer if it wasn't illegal and there was the ability for them to be protected and or regulated as a business.

But who am I? I'm just a random schmuck who pays lots of taxes.I guess its like government regulations for airlines (FAA), cars (NHTSA), food and medication (FDA). Provide minimum safety standards, control abuse and poor products. It adds costs and procedures and rules but at least there is a rule book. If people want to use their bodies to earn a living by performing sexual acts (which probably also provides many therapeutic benefits), government shouldn't prohibit it, but help control safety (and collect its tax).

Like everywhere else in the world maybe.

A2

[I Luv Head]

I guess its like government regulations for airlines (FAA), cars (NHTSA), food and medication (FDA). Provide minimum safety standards, control abuse and poor products. It adds costs and procedures and rules but at least there is a rule book. If people want to use their bodies to earn a living by performing sexual acts (which probably also provides many therapeutic benefits), government shouldn't prohibit it, but help control safety (and collect its tax).

Like everywhere else in the world maybe.

A2It would also be the best way to fight human trafficking since, (like every other job) it would require them to provide a drivers license and social security card to prove age and the ability to work in the US. Making prostitution legal makes way more sense then gambling, alcohol and in some states marijuana. I think the reason so many politicians fight it so hard is because they don't want their wives to know that they support it. There are way more positives to legalizing it then there are negatives and I will never understand why it is illegal for two consenting adults.

ILH.

Amnesty International agrees with you.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/policy-on-state-obligations-to-respect-protect-and-fulfil-the-human-rights-of-sex-workers/

A2

[Paul Boomer]

It would also be the best way to fight human trafficking since, (like every other job) it would require them to provide a drivers license and social security card to prove age and the ability to work in the US. Making prostitution legal makes way more sense then gambling, alcohol and in some states marijuana. I think the reason so many politicians fight it so hard is because they don't want their wives to know that they support it. There are way more positives to legalizing it then there are negatives and I will never understand why it is illegal for two consenting adults.Polititions won't leagalize it because they don't want the competition. With the WH, Senate and House leaders the pimps and the 533 members of Congress the W*s.

[DCarpena77]

Saw her on tinder and had a kik I'd of Batmanismycryptonite, claims to be in Tucson and wants someone to practice with for some cam model convention going on here. She will send you pictures and damn hot but you could also find her on facebook under Ella Nyman. Her Facebook says she in Canada but she claims to be staying in Arizona Inn and that she know lives here. So if you guys have kik app hit her up.

[DesertNative]

Read this article: http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/adult-webcam-spam-all-roads-lead-kik-messenger. The likelihood this Ella is legitimate are pretty low, I think your probably getting spammed or talking to a bot. Let us know when you meet face to face with this dreamboat.


Saw her on tinder and had a kik I'd of Batmanismycryptonite, claims to be in Tucson and wants someone to practice with for some cam model convention going on here. She will send you pictures and damn hot but you could also find her on facebook under Ella Nyman. Her Facebook says she in Canada but she claims to be staying in Arizona Inn and that she know lives here. So if you guys have kik app hit her up.

[I Luv Head]

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[Bertlong]

Read this article: http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/adult-webcam-spam-all-roads-lead-kik-messenger. The likelihood this Ella is legitimate are pretty low, I think your probably getting spammed or talking to a bot. Let us know when you meet face to face with this dreamboat.Article has been removed.

[DesertNative]

The link I posted is broken, I don't think this site will accept all the characters or symbols in the one I tried to paste? Regardless, try googling Satnam Narang, he works for Symantec and wrote the article Adult Webcam Spam All Roads Lead To Kik Messenger.

It's not hard to find indo on KIK scams.


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[DCarpena77]

Just hate that bots are even taking over tinder! So far no luck on hook ups there. Anyone here ever had something successful on tinder?


Read this article: http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/adult-webcam-spam-all-roads-lead-kik-messenger. The likelihood this Ella is legitimate are pretty low, I think your probably getting spammed or talking to a bot. Let us know when you meet face to face with this dreamboat.

[Fanny Fan]

Have you heard of the sexy art project known as Hysterical Literature? A women sitting at a table reads a book while an accomplice under the table pleasures her with a Magic Wand vibrator. Have a look, and a listen!

A little New Year's gift for all you pervs:

http://hystericalliterature.com/toni/

[LikesToPlay]

Just hate that bots are even taking over tinder! So far no luck on hook ups there. Anyone here ever had something successful on tinder?Tinder works great overseas. But locally I did land a 3 month relationship with a girl 15 years younger than me. She was visiting from Cali. Good times in bed. But nothing else in common. Girls are better by the hour. At this point I'd rather pay to bang and go. Than get a bang after dinner or a hike.

[Wj0272]

Have you heard of the sexy art project known as Hysterical Literature? A women sitting at a table reads a book while an accomplice under the table pleasures her with a Magic Wand vibrator. Have a look, and a listen!

A little New Year's gift for all you pervs:

http://hystericalliterature.com/toni/That was awesome!! Hysterical for sure! LOL.

[Crutch]

Tinder works great overseas. But locally I did land a 3 month relationship with a girl 15 years younger than me. She was visiting from Cali. Good times in bed. But nothing else in common. Girls are better by the hour. At this point I'd rather pay to bang and go. Than get a bang after dinner or a hike.I could not agree more.

[DrTraveler]

Hi. I'm traveling to Tucson very soon on business, and I'm looking for amazing, discreet, multiorgasmic, uninhibited women who truly love to play bareback. I have an extensive list of BBFS ladies throughout the country that I'm willing to share in exchange for new information. We all know of the well advertised BBFS ladies; I'm looking for the UTR providers, perhaps the YMMV ladies who are at least open to the possibility. PM me with specifics and I'll do the same!

Thanks!

[I Luv Head]

This provider is visiting from San Antonio. http://eccie.net/providers.php?do=view&id=326164.

She is a true GFE and will be in Phoenix and surrounding areas for a week. She will make a trip to Tucson if there is enough interest, so call her and tell her if you are interested.

ILH.

[Stripper Luv]

Tinder works great overseas. But locally I did land a 3 month relationship with a girl 15 years younger than me. She was visiting from Cali. Good times in bed. But nothing else in common. Girls are better by the hour. At this point I'd rather pay to bang and go. Than get a bang after dinner or a hike.A famous comedian once said, "I don't pay women to have sex. I pay women to LEAVE after sex. ".

[I Luv Head]

I guess I will start this off by saying that I do not have much experience with buying covers, (well not since high school really). I was married forever to a woman that I was trying to get pregnant and then later on was fixed and never used a cover and every provider I have seen has provided a cover so I haven't had to buy covers in a very long time.

With that said, I have a UTR provider, (more of a Sugar Baby really) that I have been seeing for a few months now. She requires that I provide the cover and I am fine with that since she is fucking hot, drama free, and amazing at BBBJ and CG, (well all positions really, but she can ride a cock like no one I've ever met). So, I have been buying the Trojan Bareskin covers and in the last two months two have broken on me. Just to be very clear, they did not fall off, they broke. The cover remained on me at the base but they just broke open from the top, (or side, I really didn't inspect them too much). I really don't have an issue with the fact that most of my cock was exposed since she does not advertise and is very low volume and always safe with FS, (and it felt amazing) but I really do not want to get her pregnant. I have already purchased two Morning After pills in the last two months at $60 a pop, (but well worth the alternative).

The covers in question were from two different packages and two different stores, so I am ruling out a bad batch and thinking I need to find a different type or brand. I just figured I would ask if anyone else has experienced this with the BareSkin covers or have any recommendations for other brands that they use?

Thanks in advance.

ILH.

[YoniLicker]

Thinking I need to find a different type or brand. Have any recommendations for other brands that they use?

Well old timer, condoms come in different sizes and shapes.

Before I forget, run a scan on female condoms, I seem to remember having to order them. If I remember correctly you can find discussions about this in the free area of TER general discussions, comments from providers and those using condoms.

It is easy to order a variety to experiment with, include "Life Style Skin". If why'all ever use lube be mindful some materials degrade with certain lubricating chemicals, "Sex Grease", in a black bottle seems to work pretty good and last a little longer before skin absorbs it.

Or, considering the consequences of busting the dam, buy a few varieties locally and make it an event where you both plan on trying out different ones. Some like Tadafil will probably help with the festivities. Tadafil is the generic for a popular pop-up helper. If you don't have access to it, there is a section on BP where you'll find recommendations on how to order it on line. I'll send a private message to you on where I buy it in the USA.

Unfortunately I do not have a source for the white powder that mixed with water some women love to smoke, in a globe shaped "pipe" that gets them all energized and enhances their enjoyment.

To help things along for an evening of which one feels best, run a scan on what vibrator women seem to love best. You can order one of the great ones at an inexpensive price on eBay and probably Amazon.

If you haven't discovered it yet, run a scan on Nina Hartley's video on How to Give a Pussy massage.

That is all to increase chances you can experiment for quite a while?

If you are never going to have children, a urologist can free you from using condoms. If for some reason you meet someone you really do want to have children with, if the fix was done skill fully, it can be turned on again.

If you haven't already done this, both of you can go to a Pima county Health site and get tested just to be absolutely sure! You will want to sign a paper so that you each are given the results. But typically if any of the tests are positive, they insist they treat you. Typically the testing is either free or based upon a sliding scale on your income.

Once tested, buy a Chasity belt with a digital unlocking code only you cab access!!) Either that or a snug fitting cork that you'll have to come over many times during the day to remove for short periods. Huuum?, maybe since you are worried about fertilizing an egg, periods won't be short?

A fail safe is the night before start lecturing your swimmers that if they escape they better not head up stream!! Just before, slap a few of them around to remind them who is the boss!!

Yup! I'm Deprived! Greek Deprived.

If we don't hear from you for a while, should we be concerned you fell in? You can buy one of those buttons you see in the "Help I've Fallen (in) and get up!(and back out)!

[Chica Luv]

Buy the Trojan Magnums and leave plenty of slack at the tip.


I guess I will start this off by saying that I do not have much experience with buying covers, (well not since high school really). I was married forever to a woman that I was trying to get pregnant and then later on was fixed and never used a cover and every provider I have seen has provided a cover so I haven't had to buy covers in a very long time.

With that said, I have a UTR provider, (more of a Sugar Baby really) that I have been seeing for a few months now. She requires that I provide the cover and I am fine with that since she is fucking hot, drama free, and amazing at BBBJ and CG, (well all positions really, but she can ride a cock like no one I've ever met). So, I have been buying the Trojan Bareskin covers and in the last two months two have broken on me. Just to be very clear, they did not fall off, they broke. The cover remained on me at the base but they just broke open from the top, (or side, I really didn't inspect them too much). I really don't have an issue with the fact that most of my cock was exposed since she does not advertise and is very low volume and always safe with FS, (and it felt amazing) but I really do not want to get her pregnant. I have already purchased two Morning After pills in the last two months at $60 a pop, (but well worth the alternative).

The covers in question were from two different packages and two different stores, so I am ruling out a bad batch and thinking I need to find a different type or brand. I just figured I would ask if anyone else has experienced this with the BareSkin covers or have any recommendations for other brands that they use?

Thanks in advance.

ILH.

[SCallIn]

Either a streetwalker or someone from BP? Do you guys know?

[Gilligan46]

Either a streetwalker or someone from BP? Do you guys know?The cops need to have evidence that you agreed to do a sexual act in exchange for money or something of value.

[Member #5688]

The cops need to have evidence that you agreed to do a sexual act in exchange for money or something of value.If they are a known sex worker with prior offenses you can still end up in trouble depending on how it all goes down. You can also get sold out by the provider who is far more interested in helping herself than helping you and may very well tell the police you did something illegal, true or not. Don't talk, get a lawyer.

[I Luv Head]

Either a streetwalker or someone from BP? Do you guys know?It depends on how they catch you. If you get caught in the act, try to pick up an undercover or show up at a sting then you are getting arrested. The best thing to do at that point is just to shut your mouth and contact a lawyer. Seriously, do not say anything at all even when they try to trick you into believing it is better to talk or that they will release you if you just admit to it. You may be going home at that moment, but you will be paying for it soon enough. It's better to go to jail for a night and have a chance of getting away with it then to go free and get convicted of prostitution. Read the mandatory sentences if you don't believe me.

If you get pulled over with a SW then they will try to get you or her to incriminate yourselves. You can pretty much bet that she will not be saying anything and if you just say you were giving her a ride and nothing else then you will most likely just get a lecture and told to leave the area. Silence really is golden when it comes to this topic. LE knows exactly what you are doing, but they still have to have some proof or a confession. I am betting that they get a ton of busts from confessions and if the mongers would have just shut the fuck up they would never have been arrested in the first place.

[Chica Luv]

Other than providing them with you personal identification, repeat after me.

"I have nothing to say without an attorney present" "I have nothing to say without an attorney present" "I have nothing to say without an attorney present" "I have nothing to say without an attorney present" "I have nothing to say without an attorney present" "I have nothing to say without an attorney present" "I have nothing to say without an attorney present".

No matter what the police say / tell you just keep repeating this phrase.

I've stopped several time over the years. Most of the time they just let you go with a warning.

However, one time in Tempe they had an entire task force surround me and the girl. Luckily we had all our clothes on and hadn't done anything other than talk. As soon as the patrolman asks me for my I'd, and then started in with his questioning, guess what I said. "I have nothing to say without an attorney present" There were no less than 4 different patrolman that approached me over the next 45 minutes with questions and each time I would say "I have nothing to say without an attorney present" Finally, after about an hour, they gave me back my I'd and told me to leave the area.

Another time, the same thing happened, but the GIRL rolled on me and told the plain-clothed cop that I had solicited her. He gave me a ticket and let me go. I hired an attorney, he went to court on my behave. The girl (their witness) was know prostitute, didn't show up for court, and all charges were dropped.

Again, "I have nothing to say without an attorney present".

Good luck.

CL.


Either a streetwalker or someone from BP? Do you guys know?

[On Thin Ice]

Let's also mention in this discussion the likelihood at any given moment that a streetwalker is carrying something (dope, pipe etc) that will get YOU arrested should she throw it under your car seat when the lights begin to flash.

[Crutch]

If they are a known sex worker with prior offenses you can still end up in trouble depending on how it all goes down. You can also get sold out by the provider who is far more interested in helping herself than helping you and may very well tell the police you did something illegal, true or not. Don't talk, get a lawyer.Most of the girls will roll on you in a heartbeat. Do not count of them to help you out. I had one tell the officer that I had dropped her off to pick up drugs before our date. Fortunately he was familiar with her and didn't believe the story.

[TucsonTaoist]

They're nearly indestructible.


I guess I will start this off by saying that I do not have much experience with buying covers, (well not since high school really). I was married forever to a woman that I was trying to get pregnant and then later on was fixed and never used a cover and every provider I have seen has provided a cover so I haven't had to buy covers in a very long time.

With that said, I have a UTR provider, (more of a Sugar Baby really) that I have been seeing for a few months now. She requires that I provide the cover and I am fine with that since she is fucking hot, drama free, and amazing at BBBJ and CG, (well all positions really, but she can ride a cock like no one I've ever met). So, I have been buying the Trojan Bareskin covers and in the last two months two have broken on me. Just to be very clear, they did not fall off, they broke. The cover remained on me at the base but they just broke open from the top, (or side, I really didn't inspect them too much). I really don't have an issue with the fact that most of my cock was exposed since she does not advertise and is very low volume and always safe with FS, (and it felt amazing) but I really do not want to get her pregnant. I have already purchased two Morning After pills in the last two months at $60 a pop, (but well worth the alternative).

The covers in question were from two different packages and two different stores, so I am ruling out a bad batch and thinking I need to find a different type or brand. I just figured I would ask if anyone else has experienced this with the BareSkin covers or have any recommendations for other brands that they use?

Thanks in advance.

ILH.

[Chica Luv]

And if you put a little lube (especially the stuff that gets HOT) on your "Johnson" prior to putting on the Magnum then it will feel like you were inside getting BBFS.

YMMV.

CL.


They're nearly indestructible.

[Whathesaid]

I guess I will start this off by saying that I do not have much experience with buying covers <snip> Thanks in advance. ILH.Durex Invisible. I always use them with my SO (she requires we go covered since she had a pregnancy scare when we first met 20 years ago) . Also use them when I am visiting a lady in her first trimester (learned that one the hard way).

Better yet, if you can get your lady to wear the female condom.

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/fc2-female-contraceptive/ID=prod6052635-product

Several providers in my area use them and love it.

[OldButNotDead]

Or whatever. Magnums are great. Large, XL -.

[NotAJohn1]

http://m.tucsonnewsnow.com/tusconnewsnow/db_349335/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=cC6mKchv

[YoniLicker]

Wondering if we exchanged info about what the best "Head" you ever had made it the best, found videos depicting what made it THE BEST, if we could flesh out a general out line for what makes "BEST" Head.

I remeber Boasts of Best cock sucker in tuson, unimpressed. Turns out women usually do not watch Porn. As a result they are rarely exposed to different techniques, different approaches etc. Lack exposure to ideas on how to improve!

Nina Hartly video looks instructive "How to give a Blow Job".

Was wondering if we could make an outline, inventory good videos that can be used as instructionals, if we could then refer providers to, shuld they want to improve, or as examples of what enjoys so that a provider has visual guidance on how create an intense memorable experience for you?

Don't know if any provider would go through the post, or read the outline, watch videos? But it would be away say "check Out This site and see what I LOVE! See if you can come close?

Any provider who does watch, read about getting better, should get more phone calls?

Happy hunting.

Deprived Day Dreamer.

[YoniLicker]

By now, I'm sure you've met a provider with at least one story about having her donation ripped off! Rude, demanding, disagreable person, person harrasing them, person attempting extortion?

It also reminds me of an adorable provider who just gave up! Getting ripped off, attempts to rip her off, total JERKS! Shorted donations, etc. The upshot those type can make a provider weary, less friendly, more reserved, suspicious, none of which benefits anyone other than the self centered JERK In fact what happens their antics make it worse for both providers and us.

S!

Why not collect that information in one area? The word about someone throwing garbage and trash in our local pond would be widely avaliable, alerting other providers, and possibly decrease the frequency and severity of what happens to local providers.

Day Dreamin' Chasing.

[YoniLicker]

Ever read a recount, review and at the end go? Could not find information about what you look for? Been Cogitatin' if we could create an outline of usefull info that a well thought out review should, could to pass on usefull info to other people. Main points to touch to transform Boasting into Benefits for our community to feast upon?

I read one day this lawyer in the Phoenix area pointed out that dreaming about someone and indication you met her, gave her $200 for an hour, and describing how why'all fucked 'till you dropped did not make anydifference. OPosted reports cannot be used as evidence I court. Typically the reviews LEO gets are used to intimadate people into making cinfessions. For the rst of us, they are tools to aide in extortions of people who actually believe what Leos tell them, lies proscuction uses, over looks the corruption in the legal system.

So using strange notation although a tradition doesn't serve any purpose other than making discovering how much you donate to play in a particular woman "Pink" Patch difficult.

So, one no longer has to be content dreaming how that little girl made your toes curl, you can experience it WIDE AWAKE!!

Happy hunting.

Delightfull DD Dozing.

[YoniLicker]

Question: What is a MILF? What does MILF stand for?

A MILF (also m. I. l. F. , MILF) is an acronym which essentially stands for "Mother I'd Like (to) Fornicate (with)".

[OldButNotDead]

I do NOT want to kick off a big finger-wagging, you-poor-deluded-bastard marathon here this board has already been thru that.

For the benefit of newer members who may not have caught the last round, however, I'd like to simply state a few facts, and leave you to connect the dots on your own.

I personally LOVE to fuck women, but I also very much enjoy Talking with them, and sharing our common Humanity.

In any group you'd care to name, across ethnicity, socioeconomic level, whatever, there's a tremendous amount of variation in Appetites, what we each Want and Need. You, my fellow mongers, should be aware of that fact if anyone is.

Across many eras and cultures, there have been Sex Workers who moved at the highest levels of society: Hetairae, Courtesans, Geishas, who sometimes ran into curious limitations along with major possibilities. In India, f'rinstance, only ladies of the highest caste themselves were allowed to consort with Kings and Princes and Generals.

Seems pretty culture-centric to insist that NO 'sex worker' could be as good a Person as YOU are.

There are a number of very classy providers here in town who personally enjoy Sex very much they're also intelligent, and funny, and very creative, have a broad range of Experience, can easily hold up their end of a conversation about most anything, and those Qualities add greatly to the time I spend with them.

Plus, they're also looking for Connection, rather than just a quick fuck and a quick buck. And they can afford to be Selective. Any more, almost everyone established in the Biz asks for a local reference. If the only people you can come up with are ladies you treated like shit, Good Luck with that one; odds are you're SOL, and will have a hard time gaining entry to the Big Leagues, where there's Much more on offer than just a great blowjob.

They DO talk I've gotten together with many providers here in town over the last six-plus years, and found out recently, just a leeetle bit to my dismay, that I'm pretty well-known in local Biz circles. Seems like uniformly good Buzz, tho, thank God.

Lastly, The Law Of Attraction more than likely, you will get back the kind of Energy you put out. That one, you just cannot outrun.

In a recent conversation, I was told, "They forget we're also WOMEN! Instead of just Orifices. And women like ta know, as do we all, that they're Appreciated. When I first started mongering, I would take along a single rose and a half-bottle of champagne, anticipating some pleasant conversation before we Got Down To It might seem nave, perhaps, but that same basic attitude, of openness, and respect, and gratitude, has served me very well.

If I could make Ass-Kicking Money having Fun Sex with respectful, interesting people, would I?

In a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I'm too old and broken down to manage that, but I'm not Dead yet. I'll settle for regular, very Rich hours with some very beautiful people.

[NotPhatAz]

OBNDs reputation precedes him.


I do NOT want to kick off a big finger-wagging, you-poor-deluded-bastard marathon here this board has already been thru that.

For the benefit of newer members who may not have caught the last round, however, I'd like to simply state a few facts, and leave you to connect the dots on your own.

I personally LOVE to fuck women, but I also very much enjoy Talking with them, and sharing our common Humanity.

In any group you'd care to name, across ethnicity, socioeconomic level, whatever, there's a tremendous amount of variation in Appetites, what we each Want and Need. You, my fellow mongers, should be aware of that fact if anyone is.

Across many eras and cultures, there have been Sex Workers who moved at the highest levels of society: Hetairae, Courtesans, Geishas, who sometimes ran into curious limitations along with major possibilities. In India, f'rinstance, only ladies of the highest caste themselves were allowed to consort with Kings and Princes and Generals.

Seems pretty culture-centric to insist that NO 'sex worker' could be as good a Person as YOU are.

There are a number of very classy providers here in town who personally enjoy Sex very much they're also intelligent, and funny, and very creative, have a broad range of Experience, can easily hold up their end of a conversation about most anything, and those Qualities add greatly to the time I spend with them.

Plus, they're also looking for Connection, rather than just a quick fuck and a quick buck. And they can afford to be Selective. Any more, almost everyone established in the Biz asks for a local reference. If the only people you can come up with are ladies you treated like shit, Good Luck with that one; odds are you're SOL, and will have a hard time gaining entry to the Big Leagues, where there's Much more on offer than just a great blowjob.

They DO talk I've gotten together with many providers here in town over the last six-plus years, and found out recently, just a leeetle bit to my dismay, that I'm pretty well-known in local Biz circles. Seems like uniformly good Buzz, tho, thank God.

Lastly, The Law Of Attraction more than likely, you will get back the kind of Energy you put out. That one, you just cannot outrun.

In a recent conversation, I was told, "They forget we're also WOMEN! Instead of just Orifices. And women like ta know, as do we all, that they're Appreciated. When I first started mongering, I would take along a single rose and a half-bottle of champagne, anticipating some pleasant conversation before we Got Down To It might seem nave, perhaps, but that same basic attitude, of openness, and respect, and gratitude, has served me very well.

If I could make Ass-Kicking Money having Fun Sex with respectful, interesting people, would I?

In a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I'm too old and broken down to manage that, but I'm not Dead yet. I'll settle for regular, very Rich hours with some very beautiful people.

[Chica Luv]

So is it just me or has anyone else started getting a SPAM link popping up in a separate window when they initially click on any of the Forum links? If it is just me, any suggestions on how to avoid it?

[Crutch]

So is it just me or has anyone else started getting a SPAM link popping up in a separate window when they initially click on any of the Forum links? If it is just me, any suggestions on how to avoid it?I'm having the same problem, but I use Safari.

[Admin2]

So is it just me or has anyone else started getting a SPAM link popping up in a separate window when they initially click on any of the Forum links? If it is just me, any suggestions on how to avoid it?


I'm having the same problem, but I use Safari.See the big ass announcement at the top that says "Click link for an Important notice from the USASG Thank You, A2?" Maybe clicking on it might help you out.

A2

[Chica Luv]

A2.

Thanks for the effort. But the spam link still opens a separate sub-window.

Once the 'cookie' is registered in the cache memory I can exit the Guide and reenter without the spam link opening a separate window. However, if I clear my browsing history and cookies, then log back on using regular ole' Google (no spam blockers available) no matter were I 'click' it opens the same spam sub-window.

Thanks again for trying.

Did you read my post on that thread? It's not spam, it's a trusted advertiser that is paying us a shitload of money so that you guys continue to have a free forum.

You have one pop under per day, get a great free forum, and we get paid, it's a win/win/win.

A2


See the big ass announcement at the top that says "Click link for an Important notice from the USASG Thank You, A2?" Maybe clicking on it might help you out.

A2

[Chica Luv]

I am feelin' you. It is well worth what we are getting in return.

Thanks again,

CL.


A2.

Thanks for the effort. But the spam link still opens a separate sub-window.

Once the 'cookie' is registered in the cache memory I can exit the Guide and reenter without the spam link opening a separate window. However, if I clear my browsing history and cookies, then log back on using regular ole' Google (no spam blockers available) no matter were I 'click' it opens the same spam sub-window.

Thanks again for trying.

Did you read my post on that thread? It's not spam, it's a trusted advertiser that is paying us a shitload of money so that you guys continue to have a free forum.

You have one pop under per day, get a great free forum, and we get paid, it's a win/win/win.

A2

[ScubaSteve87]

Have any of you tried to pick up any chicks on POF? I have a profile on there and have hooked up with several chicks while I was in North Carolina, Georgia and now here. There's obviously a little more of a chase to it than picking up a SW or someone on backpage.

[Crutch]

Have any of you tried to pick up any chicks on POF? I have a profile on there and have hooked up with several chicks while I was in North Carolina, Georgia and now here. There's obviously a little more of a chase to it than picking up a SW or someone on backpage.I almost finished a profile for POF but they insisted on knowing my annual income so I backed out. That's been about four years ago so I don't know if they still insist on that.

[ScubaSteve87]

I almost finished a profile for POF but they insisted on knowing my annual income so I backed out. That's been about four years ago so I don't know if they still insist on that.They INSISTED on knowing your income?? I know I could put in whatever income I wanted on my profile. It's not as strict as it was. Just make something up! .

[ShyNine]

I do NOT want to kick off a big finger-wagging, you-poor-deluded-bastard marathon here this board has already been thru that.

For the benefit of newer members who may not have caught the last round, however, I'd like to simply state a few facts, and leave you to connect the dots on your own.

I personally LOVE to fuck women, but I also very much enjoy Talking with them, and sharing our common Humanity.

In any group you'd care to name, across ethnicity, socioeconomic level, whatever, there's a tremendous amount of variation in Appetites, what we each Want and Need. You, my fellow mongers, should be aware of that fact if anyone is.

Across many eras and cultures, there have been Sex Workers who moved at the highest levels of society: Hetairae, Courtesans, Geishas, who sometimes ran into curious limitations along with major possibilities. In India, f'rinstance, only ladies of the highest caste themselves were allowed to consort with Kings and Princes and Generals.

Seems pretty culture-centric to insist that NO 'sex worker' could be as good a Person as YOU are.

There are a number of very classy providers here in town who personally enjoy Sex very much they're also intelligent, and funny, and very creative, have a broad range of Experience, can easily hold up their end of a conversation about most anything, and those Qualities add greatly to the time I spend with them.

Plus, they're also looking for Connection, rather than just a quick fuck and a quick buck. And they can afford to be Selective. Any more, almost everyone established in the Biz asks for a local reference. If the only people you can come up with are ladies you treated like shit, Good Luck with that one; odds are you're SOL, and will have a hard time gaining entry to the Big Leagues, where there's Much more on offer than just a great blowjob.

They DO talk I've gotten together with many providers here in town over the last six-plus years, and found out recently, just a leeetle bit to my dismay, that I'm pretty well-known in local Biz circles. Seems like uniformly good Buzz, tho, thank God.

Lastly, The Law Of Attraction more than likely, you will get back the kind of Energy you put out. That one, you just cannot outrun.

In a recent conversation, I was told, "They forget we're also WOMEN! Instead of just Orifices. And women like ta know, as do we all, that they're Appreciated. When I first started mongering, I would take along a single rose and a half-bottle of champagne, anticipating some pleasant conversation before we Got Down To It might seem nave, perhaps, but that same basic attitude, of openness, and respect, and gratitude, has served me very well.

If I could make Ass-Kicking Money having Fun Sex with respectful, interesting people, would I?

In a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I'm too old and broken down to manage that, but I'm not Dead yet. I'll settle for regular, very Rich hours with some very beautiful people.I too am older and not pulling in the finances I used to.

As a result I am not able to play like I used and it's frustrating.

Nonetheless the young women I have met in the clubs and from the ads, for the most part, have been wonderful PEOPLE who were kind enough to share their time and convo with me. Amongst other activities.

Treating them with respect and being sure that they get theirs has helped me tremendously to be among their regular "good guys" to be with.

We all make choices throughout our lives about what we do with our time and who we spend it with.

The choices shape who we are but do not define us.

So show some respect for fellow human beings and lets enjoy and protect one another so that we all benefit from the experiences.

Dive deep, drive hard and watch where you put your tongue.

Shy.

[OldButNotDead]

Here it is, in the words of another:

"One of the things that often comes up in a discussion of high-income escorting is the fact that clients are paying for more than just sex. Women who command fees of thousands of dollars per hour are able to do so because they're providing far more than just a pretty face and willing vagina. They're offering up the experience of being with a classy, educated, and accommodating woman; one who's able to carry on an intellectual conversation, accompany a client to fancy corporate events, and happens to be eager to remind you how attractive, desirable, and virile you are all while being emotionally present enough to create a genuine sense of connection ".

That's from a review of a new TV show, 'The Girlfriend Experience', and while (Thank God!) the local provider elite tops out at considerably lower dollars per hour, there's the same Flavor.

There's the storefront preacher, and there's the Pope. There are levels of Quality, and Success, in every profession.

[LikesToPlay]

Here it is, in the words of another:

"One of the things that often comes up in a discussion of high-income escorting is the fact that clients are paying for more than just sex. Women who command fees of thousands of dollars per hour are able to do so because they're providing far more than just a pretty face and willing vagina. They're offering up the experience of being with a classy, educated, and accommodating woman; one who's able to carry on an intellectual conversation, accompany a client to fancy corporate events, and happens to be eager to remind you how attractive, desirable, and virile you are all while being emotionally present enough to create a genuine sense of connection ".

That's from a review of a new TV show, 'The Girlfriend Experience', and while (Thank God!) the local provider elite tops out at considerably lower dollars per hour, there's the same Flavor.

There's the storefront preacher, and there's the Pope. There are levels of Quality, and Success, in every profession.Just to add on. I have had a great many ladies in the 200 range. All fun all willing. But in Vegas I had me a 600. And I would have left my life and followed her around the world if I was just a little dumber. Beautiful. Fun. Smart. Made me feel like the only man on the planet. And was willing. You get what you pay for. In almost all things. And not always in money.

[Chica Luv]

I too have had the local 'high-dollar' gals, and wouldn't pay their prices again, much less the Super Escort prices.

That being said, there was one REALLY hot Puerto Rican lady visiting Tucson about a month ago, and El Paso prior to that. She was from Miami (I believe). I had seen her ads through the years and would have LOVED to been able to arrange a meeting. Her Hh price structure was right in line with my needs and spending temperament.

Anyone remember her? Seemed like she was doing a Tour, and would take down her ads as she moved on to other cities.

IMHO, a provider along the lines of Elsa fills my needs. Still as much as I like a great enchilada I'm not going to eat them every day, and I'm certainly not going to pay $$+ dollars for aplate.

Nowadays, give me about 15-30 minutes, a little bit of chemistry coupled with a great BBBJ & CFS in the. 8 - $. 4 range, and I'm happy.

YMMV.

CL.


Just to add on. I have had a great many ladies in the 200 range. All fun all willing. But in Vegas I had me a 600. And I would have left my life and followed her around the world if I was just a little dumber. Beautiful. Fun. Smart. Made me feel like the only man on the planet. And was willing. You get what you pay for. In almost all things. And not always in money.

[TexasMonger]

Since I was going to be in your city for a while, I decided to hit the SD sites hoping to find a supplement date for all the SC activities at Venom. I hit gold whitha reasonable cost and a fun time. Pictures will speak for the activities that was had with this young tight body blond. She is fun and can be found on AFF (Adult Friend Finder).

Cheers.

TM.

[TexasMonger]

Since I was going to be in your city for a while, I decided to hit the SD sites hoping to find a supplement date for all the SC activities at Venom. I hit gold whitha reasonable cost and a fun time. Pictures will speak for the activities that was had with this young tight body blond. She is fun and can be found on AFF (Adult Friend Finder).

Cheers.

TM.Guys.

No need to burn my mail box regarding this girl. She is on AFF (Adult Friend Finder) so go there and contact her.

Cheers.

TM.

[NotPhatAz]

Is that not a pay to play site?


Guys.

No need to burn my mail box regarding this girl. She is on AFF (Adult Friend Finder) so go there and contact her.

Cheers.

TM.

[AzDriller]

Since I was going to be in your city for a while, I decided to hit the SD sites hoping to find a supplement date for all the SC activities at Venom. I hit gold whitha reasonable cost and a fun time. Pictures will speak for the activities that was had with this young tight body blond. She is fun and can be found on AFF (Adult Friend Finder).

Cheers.

TM.What is "sd".

[TexasMonger]

What is "sd".AzDriller,

SD = Sugar Daddy.

Cheers.

TM.

[OldButNotDead]

I'm thinking I may know who you're talking about. I saw her some recent Super Bowl time (3 yrs ago?4? They're all starting to run together) at the Doubletree on East Broadway.

Absolutely BEAUTIFUL Woman, in every sense of the Word; bursting with health and vitality, and Friendliness, and Willingness. I caught her both Coming and Going. She was on her way to Vegas for the SB. Useta work there as a cashier, I think, and saw how much the Ladies were pullin' down, and Joined The Club.

She caught ME both Going (to her) and Coming (with her). Gorgeous, gorgeous Person. Don't know if she still tours or not. That worked with her schedule, due to Family in Cali and her living in Florida, but she's definitely still in The Biz.

Do an Advanced Search Somewhere Else, for Miami and Rachelina. I actually saved some pix Back When, off her very classy personal website.

The latest review is from this very month.

[TucsonTaoist]

Miami and Rachelina. I actually saved some pix Back When, off her very classy personal website.

The latest review is from this very month.http://sexyrachelina.net/photo_albums/1089

[TexasMonger]

http://sexyrachelina.net/photo_albums/1089Rachelina is a class of her own. One of the best providers around. I got tangled with her a few times in the past 2-3 years ago when she used to tour and end up in my neck of the woods. Very reasonable woman with the hottest bodies around and skills to match.

I will see her again in a heart beat, just need to save up some funds for her visit because she is not cheap.

Cheers.

TM.

[Chica Luv]

OBND.

You ARE the man. That's the girl!

This is her website:

http://sexyrachelina.net/photo_albums/1089

http://illinois.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/visiting-from-miami-beach-erotic-pleasure-for-gentlemen-over-40-verified-reviews/36487403

I've been lusting over this one forever. She was in El Paso and then in Tucson several months ago, but as luck would have it, I couldn't arrange a meeting with her.

It is a good thing that she doesn't live near or I just might go broke.

Yuuummmmy.

CL.


I'm thinking I may know who you're talking about. I saw her some recent Super Bowl time (3 yrs ago?4? They're all starting to run together) at the Doubletree on East Broadway.

Absolutely BEAUTIFUL Woman, in every sense of the Word; bursting with health and vitality, and Friendliness, and Willingness. I caught her both Coming and Going. She was on her way to Vegas for the SB. Useta work there as a cashier, I think, and saw how much the Ladies were pullin' down, and Joined The Club.

She caught ME both Going (to her) and Coming (with her). Gorgeous, gorgeous Person. Don't know if she still tours or not. That worked with her schedule, due to Family in Cali and her living in Florida, but she's definitely still in The Biz.

Do an Advanced Search Somewhere Else, for Miami and Rachelina. I actually saved some pix Back When, off her very classy personal website.

The latest review is from this very month.

[Old Woodie]

OBND.

You ARE the man. That's the girl!

This is her website:

http://sexyrachelina.net/photo_albums/1089

http://illinois.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/visiting-from-miami-beach-erotic-pleasure-for-gentlemen-over-40-verified-reviews/36487403

I've been lusting over this one forever. She was in El Paso and then in Tucson several months ago, but as luck would have it, I couldn't arrange a meeting with her.

It is a good thing that she doesn't live near or I just might go broke.

Yuuummmmy.

CL.Saw her a few times when she was in Wichita Kansas a few years back. She is the ultimate GFE provider date, awesome lady to be with. I love her finish BBBJCIMNQNS.

Beautiful women with a smokin hot body.

[YoniLicker]

Bring Condoms!

First of all hobbyists should not bring condoms if asked to. This is a tactic used by the government to confirm a prostitution contract. If a provider is legit, she will have condoms and she will not mention that she has condoms over the phone or over text. Watch for such gems as:

-the provider saying she has condoms but if you want a large size to bring your own.

-the conversation initially is going well as you have contracted only for time spent, but then provider casually mentions that during the time she does everything but anal.

-the provider says to bring condoms or to buy something else and bring it to the appointment (this item seals the conviction by preventing the hobbyist arguing he got lost and randomly knocked on the room.

Worse case scenario: you get a BBBJ or you (after doing a security pat down) come back with condoms or stop at Circle K down the street to get a 3 pack.

Government Newsletter. Prostitution Stings.

This is from the Maricopa County Attorney newsletter. It shows the government's position on why it thinks posting child prostitution ads are not entrapment (because the sites don't have adequate age verification). It has important facts everyone should know by now:

- don't buy cigarettes!

- don't buy anything for a new provider only bring yourself and preferably pick her up and move her to a secure meeting point!!

"Although a person must be at least 18 to post an ad on Backpage, the website does not have an age verification system. In her ad, "Sky" used terminology commonly associated with underage sex. She also exchanged text messages with Evans in which she indicated she was too young to buy cigarettes and asked if he would bring her a pack. As Deputy County Attorneys Rebecca Jones and Megan Eshelman later pointed out to a trial jury, this negotiation for cigarettes represented proof that the Defendant knew he was soliciting sex from a minor. Evans was charged with one count of prostitution with a minor, which carries a mandatory minimum prison term of seven years. It took the jury only 30 minutes of deliberation before they returned with a guilty verdict. Sadly, his case is not uncommon. Police agencies throughout Maricopa County have recently stepped up sting operations like this one as part of a broader effort to combat child prostitution and sex trafficking. Just in the first week of January, 9 men were arrested by Mesa Police for soliciting sex from undercover detectives posing as minors. ".

Cigarettes and Condoms.

I was asked by a provider once to bring cigarettes and condoms to her. I destroyed the SIM card in my burner phone and threw the parts away. I am fortunate that I saw the article about that grocery store CEO that got busted that way.

DavePHX,

I totally believe your report.

When I street monger, the 1st thing I do is a safety check of my vehicle.

Make sure all lights (including brakes), blinkers, current plates (registration) proof of Insurance etc.

Do NOT violate ANY traffic laws. (make complete stops, use turn signals when changing lanes, do not speed, etc.).

Do NOT give LE probable cause to stop / pull you over.

How DUMB can anyone be?

An old saying from the Midwest "You can't fix stupid ".

Be safe and happy hunting.

Mesa Bust More details and new guy bust.

Mesa Bust More details and new guy bust.

I was getting some initial information from various folks but the escort in question has contacted me and we had a long discussion about the event. Key points:

She believes that she was not the main target but was adjacent to other arrests at the same hotel. She heard officer say to clear the (other) room thinking more than just one escort at the main sting.

The hotel was the old Dobson Ranch off 1-60 at Dobson which is now a Ramada Inn.

She believes the client was spotted going from car into room while watching or setting up the other sting.

At the end of the session when opened door they were met by 5 police officers.

She wants to point out that the guys that say they would never talk to police, may change their tune if threatened with being handcuffed, arrested and booked into jail. Or, admit you had a prostitution deal and you can go free. In this case the "elderly" regular client felt so bad he is paying her legal fees to try and get a diversion program.

She immediately disconnected her phone which I had confirmed. If the police look at calls on her phone, she jokes that most of their names will be "ignore" from the idiot calls she often gets from BP.

She is not active on P411 although may have some reviews so should be no P411 risk.

Just as I finished this. Get a note from a guy:

"Hi Dave. I got busted for soliciting a prostitute. I contacted her on BP and went to her hotel. I have never been arrested before, so this is all new to me. They have my texts saying I wanted BJ and sex. They have the donation that I brought. ".

Trying to get more details on where etc.

For ads on BP: Woman hit with 21 charges of prostitution.

For ads on BP: Woman hit with 21 charges of prostitution.

4/9/2016 - NORTH AUGUSTA, S. See. (WNCN) — A North Augusta woman has been arrested on multiple charges of Prostitution.

XXX, age 26, is facing 21 charges of Sex / Prostitution. She is accused of placing ads on Backpage.com offering sex for money on the website.

The ads contained sexually suggestive photos and language such as "real pleasure, appointments, serious generous gentlemen, not. Law enforcement, discreet private location, kinky fun, I'm in North Augusta, upscale entertainment, ready now, generous donations,' as well as other terms and phrases, according to officials.

At least one of the ads contained language of "ready to meet gentlemen, must be white or donations will be higher. ".

According to the arrest report, "Kristen Pxxx did place an advertisement on Backpage.com under the 'escorts' tab for the purpose of procuring or soliciting for the purpose of prostitution".

The ads were accompanied by a phone number confirmed to belong to Perry, according to officials.

The IP address from which the ads were posted was traced back to her residence. A search warrant was executed at her home.

The ads were were reportedly placed in December 2015, as well as January and February of this year, according to authorities.

The cost for her "services" was dependent on how much time the client wanted, according to the report.

Full article at http://wncn.com/2016/04/09/woman-hit...gets-underway/..

[YoniLicker]

Sexworker Lost Appeal for False Tax Return - 33 months in prison.

"Adult entertainer" thought she could avoid reporting "gifts".

"At trial, Fxxx explained that in addition to the money that she earned dancing on stage, she also made money off stage in private rooms at the exotic dancing clubs or off the premises. ".

". for money for constructing her home, paying bills, getting breast implants, and paying college tuition. She considered it all a gift. Fxxxx testified that she thanked (folks) for the money gifted her by giving him free private dances. ".

She was convicted on 4 counts since under-reported income for 4 tax years in USA District Court. Sentenced to 33 months on each count but concurrently.

Appealed to the 8th Circuit.

"On appeal, Fxxxx argues that (1) insufficient evidence exists to support the jury's finding that Fxxxx knowingly and willfully underreported her income; (2) the district court abused its discretion in failing to instruct the jury that it was required to unanimously agree on which source of income that Fxxxx failed to report on her income tax return; and (3) the district court improperly calculated Fxxx's Guidelines range and imposed a substantively unreasonable sentence. ".

The jury convicted based on unreported income from individuals, payments for parties and unreported tips at a strip club.

"Fairchild argues that her 33-month sentence is procedurally and substantively unreasonable. First, she asserts that the district court's calculation of the Guidelines range was based on an erroneous calculation of the tax-loss amount and an erroneous finding that Fxxxxx failed to report income from criminal activity. Second, she maintains that her 33-month sentence is substantively unreasonable for failing to account for the effects of past sexual abuse and her status as the sole parent to three young children. ".

The Defendant's own testimony during the trial indicated that she received tips during the time period in question in cash. She admitted that was not reported as income on her income tax returns, and she stated that was just an oversight. ".

The Defendant also objected to the sentence enhancement since the unreported income was over $10,000 a year from illegal income. Prostitution.

In a 26 page decision filed 3/17/2016 the 8th Circuit rejected all of her arguments and upheld the 33-month prison term.

And of course she would have to pay back taxes with large penalties for failure to report.

Source: United States Court of Appeals.

For the Eighth Circuit No. 14-3517.

Dave notes this reminds me of a fight I had with the IRS decades ago when I was a Tax Supervisor for a then "Big 8" CPA firm. Someone suspected of underreporting income was hit with a $1 million IRS Jeopardy assessment that was a lien on all bank accounts and assets and was outrageous. It took a long time to convince the IRS there was no unreported income and get the lien released.

Mesa Escort Bust.

Mesa Escort Bust.

Hotels are getting dangerous to use since many cooperate with PD watching security cameras and other clues that prostitution is suspected.

Yesterday a well-known companion was arrested and her phone taken which may be used to do fake references, use P411 etc as has been often done in the past.

For privacy am not naming her respecting her wishes. But it seems Mesa PD is getting active.

She was busted by PD stopping a guy leaving her room and then arresting her.

This is all too common throughout Phoenix area but now Mesa seems to be of particular concern.

[YoniLicker]

Dangerous Client Warning curtis8319 on TER in Phoenix and Vegas.

A number of higher cost companions have been his victim.

Example of why the legal situation makes it so dangerous vs decriminalization.

He puts down an envelope when arrives. If companion looks at it finds funny play money $450 and $650 reported which was the agreed upon fee. Some report he then pulls out a gun and robs them.

Another Phoenix companion didn't find the fake money until after he left and is lucky she didn't confront him and have him pull his gun.

He used the last name of Blake and seems to move back and forth from Phoenix and Vegas. A phone he has used is 702-xxx-8039.

A Phoenix companion wrote after scammed with fake money in March 2016, "I know he's trolling the boards looking at the posts on his latest conquest for jack off material, so I'll leave him with this thought.

[BoogieBoogie]

I am no longer going to participate in this forum nor am I going to get involved in this hobby since all of my previous posts have been fictional entertainment.

[Crutch]

I am no longer going to participate in this forum nor am I going to get involved in this hobby since all of my previous posts have been fictional entertainment.Boogie on.

[Crutch]

Recently I have seen a couple of really cute black chicks. One is very petite, shapely and struts all over the place. The other is tall, thin, cute and is more subdued. I don't see her walking a lot, but seems to be standing or sitting at bus stops.

[Fanny Fan]

Here is a link to a recent TED talk about sex work by an articulate woman who is a sex worker and activist:

http://www.ted.com/talks/toni_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2016-05-21&utm_campaign=newsletter_weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_content=bottom_left_image

[On Thin Ice]

Here is a link to a recent TED talk about sex work by an articulate woman who is a sex worker and activist:

http://www.ted.com/talks/toni_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2016-05-21&utm_campaign=newsletter_weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_content=bottom_left_imageGenerally speaking, I HATE TED talks. But this is interesting and well-informed. Thanks for the link.

I think I'm in love with Toni Mac, if you haven't watched the video you should.

A2

[Fanny Fan]

So, the news tells us that, due to budget issues, the Tucson Police Dept. is going to cut the number of officers by 17%.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/32182832/tpd-to-save-tucson-7-million-by-cutting-police-force

Oh, frabjous day!

Now, maybe, just maybe, they can concentrate on violent crime and big-time fraud, and leave the sweet sex workers the hell alone.

Legalize prostitution now.

[SkyMsg]

How is everyone?? I don't stop by often, I apologize. But I do think of the hobbyists, both sides of the table, often. Hope you're all doing well. Stay safe. Drop me a line, as I have been checking msgs again.

[Bertlong]

How is everyone?? I don't stop by often, I apologize. But I do think of the hobbyists, both sides of the table, often. Hope you're all doing well. Stay safe. Drop me a line, as I have been checking msgs again.So are you stating out again? We are in desperate need of some one good. This town Is drying out quickly nothing but fake and bad service.

[Rja150]

How is everyone?? I don't stop by often, I apologize. But I do think of the hobbyists, both sides of the table, often. Hope you're all doing well. Stay safe. Drop me a line, as I have been checking msgs again.Looking to meet somone occasionally, can you send stats and a pic?

[Yankee6]

Bring Condoms!

First of all hobbyists should not bring condoms if asked to. This is a tactic used by the government to confirm a prostitution contract. If a provider is legit, she will have condoms and she will not mention that she has condoms over the phone or over text. Watch for such gems as:

-the provider saying she has condoms but if you want a large size to bring your own.

In a dream I've had 3 providers ask me to bring condoms before and they were legit. One even did the whole large size thing and she too was legit.

[McFurry]

In a dream I've had 3 providers ask me to bring condoms before and they were legit. One even did the whole large size thing and she too was legit.Had one state she only had 2 left and should have asked me to bring more. Then stated that it is also a known tactic for LE so really they shouldn't be asking.

T.

[NatibusVenator]

So are you stating out again? We are in desperate need of some one good. This town Is drying out quickly nothing but fake and bad service.Well I suggest that if you want good you see either Sage or Brynn. Both are excellent at their job.

[MrMike5]

Longtime lurker, first time poster. I've been doing some time over the last year in cabanas off 22nd, and I would like to move into a couple of regular go-tos that are HE masseuse or FS in-call provider in Tucson. I've registered at TER, but have no references. Can anyone point me to a well-reviewed provider who doesn't require a reference. I'd like to use this one to build and develop a couple of TER references before an upcoming business trip to Vegas, where I'd like to set up a date with a 10/10. I've considered doing P411 but am a little wary of the workplace phone call. Help?

[SkyMsg]

No, I won't be back as an enterprise or business. But, I'm always good with someone taking me out for lunch when I'm in town. LOL! I don't think that's illegal, but I should probably ask TPD first.


So are you stating out again? We are in desperate need of some one good. This town Is drying out quickly nothing but fake and bad service.

[AZWildcat]

No, I won't be back as an enterprise or business. But, I'm always good with someone taking me out for lunch when I'm in town. LOL! I don't think that's illegal, but I should probably ask TPD first.LOL!! I'd definitely be interested in taking you to lunch sometime when you're back in town. Please do PM me with availability.

Thanks!

[Bertlong]

No, I won't be back as an enterprise or business. But, I'm always good with someone taking me out for lunch when I'm in town. LOL! I don't think that's illegal, but I should probably ask TPD first.Any time just let me know in advance when will you be here and we can arrange it. I do not think TPD will have anything to say about lunch.

[TucsonTaoist]

Longtime lurker, first time poster. I've been doing some time over the last year in cabanas off 22nd, and I would like to move into a couple of regular go-tos that are HE masseuse or FS in-call provider in Tucson. I've registered at TER, but have no references. Can anyone point me to a well-reviewed provider who doesn't require a reference. I'd like to use this one to build and develop a couple of TER references before an upcoming business trip to Vegas, where I'd like to set up a date with a 10/10. I've considered doing P411 but am a little wary of the workplace phone call. Help?http://reddgardenn.indyfiles.com is really good and really under-priced!

[Crutch]

Saw her last week for the first time in a couple of years. Huge tits that now sag after two kids, but still has the killer ass and all holes were open. Damage $. Pm for phone number.

[MrMike5]

http://reddgardenn.indyfiles.com is really good and really under-priced!Thank you. That's helpful. Does she work in Tucson? Website seems to indicate Phoenix.

[TucsonTaoist]

Thank you. That's helpful. Does she work in Tucson? Website seems to indicate Phoenix.She has both an office where she does nuru and she also sees people at her foothills apartment.

[MrMike5]

She has both an office where she does nuru and she also sees people at her foothills apartment.Thanks. Much appreciated.

[McFurry]

http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/up-early-lking-f0r-y0ur-morning-w00d-well-reviewed-t-e-r-242471-last-day/41138022

Swear this is the same girl has reviews from 2011 on other websites http://www.myblondeescorts.sm4.biz/.

[YoniLicker]

I think its time to start our first annual "Absolutely BEST Head! In Tucson contest.

Course well have to come up with some guidelines for what best head must include, and some discriptors other wise we wind up exactly where we are now, many women thinking they are great at it but never bothering to find out if there are things they can do better, things they don't do that can make it a lot more enjoyable.

If we could provide exact descriptions for many techniques, and rate them, at least someone cud find out if they can improve, and a review cud provide a lot more usefull information.

Maybe we'd be unlucky enough to have a tie and have to run a head to head winning competetion!

Course must live here to enter the competetion.

! Certainly contestants cud run REAL specials during the contest!

Happy Hunting.

[YoniLicker]

Www.usasexguide.info/forum

Oral-sex-reports.

Oral-Sex Tips.

[NotPhatAz]

I think its time to start our first annual "Absolutely BEST Head! In Tucson contest.In for 100.

Need all active senior members to put in 100 each.

And one of us out to cull the crowd.

I nominate DN as the primary.

I nominate YL as the control for the final 5.

[DesertNative]

To use the vernacular, OMG, thanks for the nomination, I have to admit it conjured up quite the imagery. Good belly laugh.


In for 100.

Need all active senior members to put in 100 each.

And one of us out to cull the crowd.

I nominate DN as the primary.

I nominate YL as the control for the final 5..

[DesertNative]

I know quiet a few providers read these post. Along with a lot of others. Regardless, to all of the advertisers out there who practice 100% safe sex, bravo. That said, how hard is it to simply say 100% safe or everything covered in your ad to avoid those awkward first meetings?

[I Luv Head]

I know quiet a few providers read these post. Along with a lot of others. Regardless, to all of the advertisers out there who practice 100% safe sex, bravo. That said, how hard is it to simply say 100% safe or everything covered in your ad to avoid those awkward first meetings?I completely agree with that and have discussed this with many providers in the past. I would go a step further and request that they advertise GFE service in the same manner as they all realize that putting "GFE" in the ad is incriminating, but what if they put 50% safe and for those that are BBFS as well they can put 0% safe or dangerous or be ready to see a doctor afterwards. Either way, most providers I have talked to about it have said it is a good idea and they will think about it, but I think the real reason they don't advertise it is that they would rather have a client show up and be disappointed then not have one at all if they advertised 100% safe.

For the most part though, I rarely see providers that do not have plenty of reviews and I usually know what I am getting into before hand, but it would be nice for the newer providers that have no reviews to use the "Safety Scale" so we know what to expect and don't waste time and gas to just be disappointed in the end.

ILH.

[John Doe 5830]

This is some funny shit.

[YoniLicker]

Seems that can be caused by shooting black tar. When they fix they partially inject, with draw blood, go to a previous injection site do the same. This goes on for many past injection sites. That is what may be the source of multiple slash like bruises that may be permanent darkening of the skin.

Seems as if many wound up hving to take pain meds, developed resistance which is halmark of addiction. They either cannot obtain more prescriptions or cannot afford to buy them. Turns out black tar is readily available and a lot less expensive with a stronger kick!!

We never hear about the major effort and billions in research to find a way to break the bond causing addiction from taking needed pain medications because there ain't none!!

Much easier to shovel billions into the War On Drugs, maintain conditions USA created fueling huge profits for cartels, huge cash flows to support corruption, finance purchase of thousands of fire arms designed for military mayhem.

Honestly don't know why Mexico doesn't simply saag FUCK YOU USA, you caused all of the violence here. We are not goinna take it any more. It is no longer illegal to manufacture and transport USA's illegal drugs as long as they arent exported. Then no enforcement aagainst exporting!!

[NotPhatAz]

The cheap ass hotels of Tucson, frequented by the Ladies, have all come for sale this month:

http://www.loopnet.com/for-sale/tucson-az/hotel-and-motel/

Anyone interested in forming a REIT?

[ChallengerSrt]

This girl will rock your socks off she is amazing sexy spinner my new all time favorite you have to try worth the drive. http://prescott.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/this-is-what-dreams-are-made-of/40311232.

[YoniLicker]

And these aren't even from Escort Listings!!

Certainly one of them is directly to the point! Only question cud be the ending?

Definitely cud create a competitive disadvantage for any woman not willing to be that explicit!

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/guys-come-teach-me-what-you-like-60-hh-100-hr-out-call-120/42217144

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/morning-wood-molly-love-cgs-here-help-no-more-blue-balls/41910157

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/here-for-your-pleasure-no-bs/41448195

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/serious-callers-only-4803069611/41405407

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/thirsty-thursday-cum-get-between-my-wet-moist-lips/41692128

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/tight-and-thick-temptress-wanted-wanger-for-tight-pussy/33295351

Huuuum? Reminds me--know why pussy lips are vertical and not horizontal? So they don't make that funny noise as they slide down banisters.

Happy Hunting.

[Crutch]

Backpage is now in their crosshairs.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BACKPAGE_SEX_TRAFFICKING_THINGS_TO_KNOW?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Good news for us, we are ready. New version coming out soon.

http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/

A2

[VAmpy]

The cheap ass hotels of Tucson, frequented by the Ladies, have all come for sale this month:

http://www.loopnet.com/for-sale/tucson-az/hotel-and-motel/

Anyone interested in forming a REIT?Very lucrative investment I would say, as a real estate consultant.

[NotPhatAz]

Very lucrative investment I would say, as a real estate consultant.There are very curious components comprising the analytics you are using in your consultancy. Cap rates such as those, of the aforementioned, are typically only on a launderers radar.

[NotPhatAz]

The award will be to recognize leaders in Backpage Spamming and named in honor of her Vampiness (herself an all time leader).

Octobers 2016 leader is trending strong, smoothering the competition and unlikely to be defeated:

The Caramel Tall Amazon, Ashlie Madyson.

http://tucson.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sweet-tall-exotic-doll-discreet-place-available-by-appointment-only-10a-10p-daily/43190019

[Uncivil]

Can't we name it after someone more attractive? That provider is making my eyes hurt. And, Ashley Madison? Does she really think she is anywhere close to the first girl to use that name?


The award will be to recognize leaders in Backpage Spamming and named in honor of her Vampiness (herself an all time leader).

Octobers 2016 leader is trending strong, smoothering the competition and unlikely to be defeated:

The Caramel Tall Amazon, Ashlie Madyson.

http://tucson.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sweet-tall-exotic-doll-discreet-place-available-by-appointment-only-10a-10p-daily/43190019

[NotPhatAz]

Our Vampiness Victoria was never about her looks. Sorry correction, to her she is. She is about the selling the sizzle, that she believes we want.

The 'Tucson Vampy' just seemed to have a certain sashay or sizzle if you will. Not at all dissimilar from its namesake.


Can't we name it after someone more attractive? That provider is making my eyes hurt. And, Ashley Madison? Does she really think she is anywhere close to the first girl to use that name?

[YoniLicker]

Since switching to this new format, BP probably making a lot more money. But it sure is a pain in the ass! Search for a recent add and POOF!! Its gone! Plus, all of these multiple adds create immense clutter. Its hard for me to remember which adds I've seen, hard to keep tract of of the women, girls running these adds! While it is great for BP it ain't great for me!! I doubt if it's great for the advertisers?

I saw a blurb that the offices of BP were raided in Texas. Think the management there was arrested, happened a few weeks ago. More info on TNA and Phoenix sites.

What I'd like is software that attacks multiple adds by one person and gets rid of all but one! Next to the add wood be posted any comments. With all of these adds its hard to remember who is a scammer!

It seems as we are inundated with tons of new, passing through, back again people, constant turn over—not good for us cause few have any relevant info about them. Again, since I lived in a small town, the attitude was to spend money locally, not with people who did not live in the small town. I have the same perspective with escorts, I want reliable locals. As it is escorts seem to run for a few months and then disappear. Not supporting locals probably does not help that situation. But then there are people who do not respect escorts—YES, many of them are "dingy! None the less, lack of respect, ripping them off, threatening to call child services if they don't give you freebies might get an individual some gain, but the rest of us pay the consequences!!

With reliable locals, they can screen and trade notes with each other to make it difficult for predators to shit all over our back yard!

Recently, I've picked up a free cell fone from a prepay company. I'm using that fone to call, text set up appointments with scammers. I'm figuring if theydon't pay a price, they keepon keepingon. If their appointments don't shoe up, no one to scamm, so they move on?

It is rather easy to create a free add and run it on BP. We have all seen them on occasion. No reason why scammers don't have warning adds on BP at the same time.

For me a companion site to BP wud be ideal, one add from a person, relevant notes about the person next to it. No more doing a lot of searches turning up little.

I've heard of towns and cities going to other larger cities and actively recruiting for business to relocate. We need a committee like "Town Fathers" or Selectmen to try and recruit escorts from Phoenix to relocate to rather peaceful Tucson; there certainly is demand for reliable established escorts here. We could use Phoenix for the testing ground and recruit their best for here.).

I bet there are plenty of people at the you of A with that kind of experience!!

Still another thing that hampers our efforts is lack of bench marks, no indication of what minimum standards are. Escorts are free to dribble out whatever they want to. The most we ever see is is a lackluster report, or, a want do that again. But how many times do you see Your Mileage might Vary?

YUP! Lack of structure, lack of organization sure easy for LEO to over look, tolerate. Organization, structure waves a red flag at them. But, none the less it can be subtly done. If nothing else, we can try to take a little extra time and provide a little more detail to help other make decisions. Sometimes I see reports that remind me of simple boasting?

Before I forget, there is at least one prepaid cellular company that does give away free phones when you buy a prepaid card for it. Its on line only. Get the phone set it up so you can shut it off if its stolen, or you can track it if its lost and just give it away to someone I'd like to be able to contact but says I don't have cell phone! At least you've got a better chance of seeing her again next week or two or three days later. The time to activate the phone will cost you $10. No reason you can't charge a full sex session for it!).

Happy Holiday Hunting.

OH!! Next up is how to monitor an area for SW without having to be parked right next to where they walk. PD does take notice of your parked car! Some day we can use drones!! Just fly them up and down above the streets that are walked! Spy someone interesting, fly the drone lower thru a small speaker ask her if she's working? Or give her a business card so she can call you! If you want to have fun tell her to prove she ain't LEO by dropping her blouse and flashing her teats at you!

[YoniLicker]

One consistent thing I seen is remarks about pix that an escort has not taken with her cell phone. Typically it is assumed that a pimp took the pix, a boyfriend she lives with that might confront one. While all of those are possible it is also possible that it was none of those. At times I've been allowed to take pixs, typically with the understanding they are only for me, they won't be put on the internet, won't be passed around, some times the only stipulation is that I won't try and profit, sell them because some people are exhibitionists.

When I take pixs I email them to the person, especially when I think I lucked out and found a very good pix. Some times the person has used them in adds.

And at times, not often, a woman does live with a male, but one who does not disrupt what she does.

The issue is how to know or discover if there is any risk from whomever took the picture. How to resolve that, I don't know. Of course questioning what the living conditions are seems like, I'm guessing, a place to start.

Related to pixs, since inexpensive throw away cells all have pic capability, pixs of people to stay way from, building to stay away from, interior of sketchy motel rooms might all be of great help. Consider a pix of a crazzy woman who demads $$ just to get out of your car!! Not something one would think of in the heat of the confrontation, but even as they are out of the car, walking away might be better than nothing?

Happy Horny Holiday Hunting.

[YoniLicker]

Before I forget, since posting a link often winds up not leading any where now, is it possible to down load what the link should lead to, and then if someone is interested in getting that info, having whomever posted it, contacted via private mail asking them to send it via private mail?

[YoniLicker]

What information do you want to see in an ad?

By far, the vast majority of BP ads do not convey useful information.

For me I want to know if head is covered, bare, CIM spit out, CIM not spit out, FS position options, positions not allowed, if one position is favored over all others, if head is just provided, if it enjoyed, some women LOVE it! Anal seems to be rare, prostate massage never provided locally.

For me a standard meeting should be assumed to include bare head and all normal positions provided.

Pluses or enhancements are CIM, depending upon the physique doggy enjoyed or mish with their legs on my shoulders enjoyed.

What do you think?

What info do you want to see in an ad?

If some consensus arises, that format can be suggested for use by escorts that live here. Following that format should be a plus for them since it provides information people want that has not been provided in past adds. Adds not following that format would be clear indicators that the person is not local, or not willing to provide information a consensus of local people look for.

SPECIALS!!

About the only thing special about BP specials is that the advertiser thinks you are a special person, one who does not comprehend there ain't nothin special in that SPECIAL!

Consider if people are confronted about what their special is if it always the standard! If confronted with Special ain't special, what else in the add is not true? Lack of truth at the outset, how can anyone expect anything else later on? No truth before meeting indicates the same or worse during a meeting!

If regularly confronted with that, will Specials that ain't special continued to be used?

Last night! If they are here the next night, another lie. No confrontation, they will probably continue to lie.

Simply avoiding people running adds that are not truthful might not be the best long term game plan? Not mentioning that stating things that are not truthful turns you off, makes you wonder if the person can be trusted, for you makes them look high risk, risky to meet, could put that person on notice that what they are doing is noticed, is a negative, probably makes it less likely people will contact them. It might impress a few enough that they would not continue to do that. For those that persist on doing it, it probably shows little regard, poor comprehension that what is delivered, action should follow claims!

YL.

[YoniLicker]

In past years this time of year is when many escorts face rapidly declining cash flow problems, people saving for Christmas gifts. Many, some will have actual Specials, reduced rates; even if not advertised it might pay to ask if they have a Christmas special?

Happy holiday Humping.

[RegulatorD]

I notice there is no Sugerbabies / SA thread here. I've been using SA with good success. If anybody that uses SA can point me to 2 or 3 solid sugarbabies I would appreciate it. PM's welcomed.

[ShortManSexy]

Has anyone came across a maid service that they got lucky enough to get like some extra fun? And I don't mean like one of those hott chicks who come over and act like they clean just to hurry up and get you off and leave. I mean a legit, older Hispanic woman who would come clean my house and if she seen my junk out she would know what to do.

Pm me if you have any info.

[TucsonTaoist]

I'd like to discuss the various ways of hobbying and their relative rate of return. I want to do this because I'm cheap and I like to get the most bang for my buck.

As I see it, there're about four ways to hobby here.

1. street walker: $20-60 pros: variety, cheap cons: danger of getting arrested, assaulted, robbed, etc.

2. backpage: $60-200+ pros: quality cons: price.

3. strip club: $100+? pros: variety? Cons: danger of getting caught.

4. sugar baby: $100+ pros: variety cons: can be expensive, can be lead on, some are offended at $100 per.

Am I missing anything? How much time and money do you have to invest in the bar scene? What are the odds of getting laid? I admit I don't do the strip clubs much since the Candy Store, so my figures might be outdated?

I tend to go out on the street because you never know what you might find and I have plenty of time. And like I said, I'm cheap, so when I spend $120 for a panty clad handjob, I think about how far that money would have gone on the street. Now don't get me wrong, the $150 windshield I bought recently put a serious dent in the street walker economics, but hopefully that was a one time thing.

A year or two ago I had this $100 a visit sugar baby that had the most awesome tits and the tightest wettest little pussy you could ask for. She was married and I felt kinda "wrong" doing her? So I let her go. I often wonder if that was a mistake as there're not that many things that get me off in seconds anymore. Every time I poked it in her, it was soon the point of no return. I think about renewing my Seeking Arrangement membership and fishing in that pool again, but there are all the lunches and interviews and it's still a lot of time and money before you get the goods.

Mexico is close, but no longer economically viable I hear? I wouldn't mind driving down there, but I wouldn't want to drive all the way down there just to spend the same I would up here?

Anyway, just wanted to throw this subject out for general comments. How do you guys weight the investment vs. the return?

[ScubaSteve87]

I agree the bar scene would be the cheapest way to go and probably with better quality girls. However it does take time and effort, plus a lot of guys on here might not have the looks or confidence to approach a woman in a bar. I personally could pull off getting pussy at the bar but I think we all want to just smash and leave, not have to worry about her developing feelings.

[NatibusVenator]

For starters I am not 21 years old any more and can't spend half my night at a bar, even on the weekend. Got a grown up job that has to be attended to. Therefore it is way easier to hit the strip clubs or BP and find some nanni on the "cheap". Honestly I have a stable of about half a dozen regulars at Venom that I hit for a single bill. Can't really get a dinner date, drinks etc. And laid for that little cash. Not really concerned in regards to being caught there as the dancers I get with are long time acquaintances and dancers that unquestionably know how to be discrete. And discretion is a must, my understanding is that in the last month they have released a couple of indiscreet dancers.

With backpage need to stick with the well known and established locales, who have their own incalls. Used to see Jess but she has gone back to working out of motels / hotels and that just doesn't fly, best way to be getting popped by LEO.

[ShortManSexy]

I'd like to discuss the various ways of hobbying and their relative rate of return. I want to do this because I'm cheap and I like to get the most bang for my buck.

As I see it, there're about four ways to hobby here.

1. street walker: $20-60 pros: variety, cheap cons: danger of getting arrested, assaulted, robbed, etc.

2. backpage: $60-200+ pros: quality cons: price.

3. strip club: $100+? pros: variety? Cons: danger of getting caught.

4. sugar baby: $100+ pros: variety cons: can be expensive, can be lead on, some are offended at $100 per.

Am I missing anything? How much time and money do you have to invest in the bar scene? What are the odds of getting laid? I admit I don't do the strip clubs much since the Candy Store, so my figures might be outdated?

I tend to go out on the street because you never know what you might find and I have plenty of time. And like I said, I'm cheap, so when I spend $120 for a panty clad handjob, I think about how far that money would have gone on the street. Now don't get me wrong, the $150 windshield I bought recently put a serious dent in the street walker economics, but hopefully that was a one time thing.

A year or two ago I had this $100 a visit sugar baby that had the most awesome tits and the tightest wettest little pussy you could ask for. She was married and I felt kinda "wrong" doing her? So I let her go. I often wonder if that was a mistake as there're not that many things that get me off in seconds anymore. Every time I poked it in her, it was soon the point of no return. I think about renewing my Seeking Arrangement membership and fishing in that pool again, but there are all the lunches and interviews and it's still a lot of time and money before you get the goods.

Mexico is close, but no longer economically viable I hear? I wouldn't mind driving down there, but I wouldn't want to drive all the way down there just to spend the same I would up here?

Anyway, just wanted to throw this subject out for general comments. How do you guys weight the investment vs. the return?I also agree with everything, my thing is that everything here has seemed to just gone down hill. Either you got nasty nasty chicks or way over prices women. I was thinking about the Mexico thing also, just becuz its been a while since I've partaked, I just don't know how safe it is to go alone anymore, and even though the prices might be the same, I'm sure the women are probably better looking and more willing to do more LOL.

[AzButtMan]

I'd like to discuss the various ways of hobbying and their relative rate of return. I want to do this because I'm cheap and I like to get the most bang for my buck.

As I see it, there're about four ways to hobby here.

1. street walker: $20-60 pros: variety, cheap cons: danger of getting arrested, assaulted, robbed, etc.

2. backpage: $60-200+ pros: quality cons: price.

3. strip club: $100+? pros: variety? Cons: danger of getting caught.

4. sugar baby: $100+ pros: variety cons: can be expensive, can be lead on, some are offended at $100 per.

Am I missing anything? How much time and money do you have to invest in the bar scene? What are the odds of getting laid? I admit I don't do the strip clubs much since the Candy Store, so my figures might be outdated?

I tend to go out on the street because you never know what you might find and I have plenty of time. And like I said, I'm cheap, so when I spend $120 for a panty clad handjob, I think about how far that money would have gone on the street. Now don't get me wrong, the $150 windshield I bought recently put a serious dent in the street walker economics, but hopefully that was a one time thing.

A year or two ago I had this $100 a visit sugar baby that had the most awesome tits and the tightest wettest little pussy you could ask for. She was married and I felt kinda "wrong" doing her? So I let her go. I often wonder if that was a mistake as there're not that many things that get me off in seconds anymore. Every time I poked it in her, it was soon the point of no return. I think about renewing my Seeking Arrangement membership and fishing in that pool again, but there are all the lunches and interviews and it's still a lot of time and money before you get the goods.

Mexico is close, but no longer economically viable I hear? I wouldn't mind driving down there, but I wouldn't want to drive all the way down there just to spend the same I would up here?

Anyway, just wanted to throw this subject out for general comments. How do you guys weight the investment vs. the return?I agree with Taoist, I'm always looking for a bargain and every now and then will splurge for a better looking provider. Maybe a road trip to Mexico is in order so we can partake of the local talent down there. We might get more BANG for the buck. (Pun intended).

[ShortManSexy]

I agree with Taoist, I'm always looking for a bargain and every now and then will splurge for a better looking provider. Maybe a road trip to Mexico is in order so we can partake of the local talent down there. We might get more BANG for the buck. (Pun intended).LOL we should get a senior member group and take a trip to Mexico haha.

[Uncivil]

I agree with the sentiments of staying with hometown providers. But, I also agree with the previous poster who say that things have gone really downhill here as of late. Just a quick perusal of Backpage this morning shows me providers that are either.

-unattractive http://tucson.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/im-a-socali-girl-who-lives-in-tucson-ready-to-keep-u-relaxed-and-stress-free-10a-7p-daily/43449503 or http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/youve-tried-the-rest-come-see-the-best/44359919.

-unreliable http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-sexy-sasha/38784893.

-far too "used" to be enjoyable http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/unicorn-found-private-residence-very-discrete/44372470.

-blatantly deceptive in their ads http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/treat-yourself-and-unwind/42005008.

-grossly overpriced for this market http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/alexia-dior-im-back-and/24909127.

-mentally ill (I couldn't find a link for that old fat chick who lives and works out of Catalina).

-or, just the worst provider I have ever seen engaging in this hobby for over 22 years now http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/a-little-more-experienced-and-a-lot-more-fun/39563532.

This being the unfortunate reality, I really can't stick with local girls any more. I have to see the imports, or maybe go to Mexico with the rest of you guys, or maybe just not even hobby at all. I love to hobby, but I am not the kind of guy who hobbies just for the sake of hobbying. I want a good time, I want to be treated with respect, and I want good value for my money. Getting those things in one providers is getting VERY difficult to come by in this town.

[TucsonTaoist]

LOL we should get a senior member group and take a trip to Mexico haha.Might be educational!

[ShortManSexy]

I agree with the sentiments of staying with hometown providers. But, I also agree with the previous poster who say that things have gone really downhill here as of late. Just a quick perusal of Backpage this morning shows me providers that are either.

-unattractive http://tucson.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/im-a-socali-girl-who-lives-in-tucson-ready-to-keep-u-relaxed-and-stress-free-10a-7p-daily/43449503 or http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/youve-tried-the-rest-come-see-the-best/44359919.

-unreliable http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-sexy-sasha/38784893.

-far too "used" to be enjoyable http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/unicorn-found-private-residence-very-discrete/44372470.

-blatantly deceptive in their ads http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/treat-yourself-and-unwind/42005008.

-grossly overpriced for this market http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/alexia-dior-im-back-and/24909127.

-mentally ill (I couldn't find a link for that old fat chick who lives and works out of Catalina).

-or, just the worst provider I have ever seen engaging in this hobby for over 22 years now http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/a-little-more-experienced-and-a-lot-more-fun/39563532.

This being the unfortunate reality, I really can't stick with local girls any more. I have to see the imports, or maybe go to Mexico with the rest of you guys, or maybe just not even hobby at all. I love to hobby, but I am not the kind of guy who hobbies just for the sake of hobbying. I want a good time, I want to be treated with respect, and I want good value for my money. Getting those things in one providers is getting VERY difficult to come by in this town.Right! I mean everyones just getting freakin too greedy, they all think they are top knotch and I'm sorry most arent even close. Its sad when you got really big girls that want $$ and their excuse is " well big girls are a fetish" LOL it kills me.

[Uncivil]

Right! I mean everyones just getting freakin too greedy, they all think they are top knotch and I'm sorry most arent even close. Its sad when you got really big girls that want $$ and their excuse is " well big girls are a fetish" LOL it kills me.They should have just told you that they're charging by the pound.

[NatibusVenator]

I agree with the sentiments of staying with hometown providers. But, I also agree with the previous poster who say that things have gone really downhill here as of late. Just a quick perusal of Backpage this morning shows me providers that are either.

-unattractive http://tucson.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/im-a-socali-girl-who-lives-in-tucson-ready-to-keep-u-relaxed-and-stress-free-10a-7p-daily/43449503 or http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/youve-tried-the-rest-come-see-the-best/44359919.

-unreliable http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-sexy-sasha/38784893.

-far too "used" to be enjoyable http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/unicorn-found-private-residence-very-discrete/44372470.

-blatantly deceptive in their ads http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/treat-yourself-and-unwind/42005008.

-grossly overpriced for this market http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/alexia-dior-im-back-and/24909127.

-mentally ill (I couldn't find a link for that old fat chick who lives and works out of Catalina).

-or, just the worst provider I have ever seen engaging in this hobby for over 22 years now http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/a-little-more-experienced-and-a-lot-more-fun/39563532.

This being the unfortunate reality, I really can't stick with local girls any more. I have to see the imports, or maybe go to Mexico with the rest of you guys, or maybe just not even hobby at all. I love to hobby, but I am not the kind of guy who hobbies just for the sake of hobbying. I want a good time, I want to be treated with respect, and I want good value for my money. Getting those things in one providers is getting VERY difficult to come by in this town.Well I can't agree that the 1. 5 is overpriced for the market. Especially if it was Alexia in her prime. In the past I would see her over Nicole just because her price point was lower and the service was comparable, but then she lost her goddamn mind and started flaking on appointments. Hell if Nicole was at 1. 5 I would see her three times a week.

I have actually had a passing curiosity about the one that you labeled far too used:

http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/unicorn-found-private-residence-very-discrete/44372470

Something about her having a trashy I want to bang her look? Is the too used label derived from personal experience with her?

[Uncivil]

Something about her having a trashy I want to bang her look? Is the too used label derived from personal experience with her?Alexia must have changed her ad after my post. She usually charges far more, as most of us are aware.

As to the one you're asking about: if backpage were a car lot and she were a car, I would instantly ask the salesmen how many accidents it has been in. Then, I would do my research to see if the place was trying to sell me a salvage title. A car that late of model shouldn't have anywhere near that many miles on it.

[Crutch]

Has anyone came across a maid service that they got lucky enough to get like some extra fun? And I don't mean like one of those hott chicks who come over and act like they clean just to hurry up and get you off and leave. I mean a legit, older Hispanic woman who would come clean my house and if she seen my junk out she would know what to do.

Pm me if you have any info.I in fact had some luck, but it has been about three years ago. Middle aged lady (about 50) came over and did a really nice job cleaning. I asked if she would clean the shower and she stripped down to bra and panties and got busy. When she finished we ended up in the sack. She came over whenever I needed her for about a year and then disappeared. It was fun while it lasted.

[NotPhatAz]

Whilst certainly not concours quality, are these classics too embarrassing to seen in and not driven?




As to the one you're asking about: if backpage were a car lot and she were a car, I would instantly ask the salesmen how many accidents it has been in. Then, I would do my research to see if the place was trying to sell me a salvage title. A car that late of model shouldn't have anywhere near that many miles on it.




http://tucson.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/unicorn-found-private-residence-very-discrete/44372470

Something about her having a trashy I want to bang her look? Is the too used label derived from personal experience with her?

[Member #6247]

I would definitely pay for that service, no problem. Too bad there aren't any around.


I in fact had some luck, but it has been about three years ago. Middle aged lady (about 50) came over and did a really nice job cleaning. I asked if she would clean the shower and she stripped down to bra and panties and got busy. When she finished we ended up in the sack. She came over whenever I needed her for about a year and then disappeared. It was fun while it lasted.

[I Luv Head]

Alexia must have changed her ad after my post. She usually charges far more, as most of us are aware.Alexia has charged 150 for an hour of her time since the first time I saw her post over 6 years ago. There have been several ads that she has claimed were not her posting, (claimed her account got hacked) and maybe those had a higher price tag, but she has not changed her rates since she started. Of course your chances of actually seeing her are slim to none since she started her notorious decline last year, but you could not beat that price for the quality and service she gave with any provider that I have ever seen posting in Tucson. Hands down she was the best for the price.

ILH.

[Bertlong]

Alexia has charged 150 for an hour of her time since the first time I saw her post over 6 years ago. There have been several ads that she has claimed were not her posting, (claimed her account got hacked) and maybe those had a higher price tag, but she has not changed her rates since she started. Of course your chances of actually seeing her are slim to none since she started her notorious decline last year, but you could not beat that price for the quality and service she gave with any provider that I have ever seen posting in Tucson. Hands down she was the best for the price.

ILH.ILH! You said it right! she was the best here unfortunately she created her own demise. I had the chance to see her once a while ago and it was an very sensual experience like the once you had the first time you got together with that Special someone. Unfortunately the second time I try to see her she flaked and all the times after that. Too bad! She would have become my go to girl if she would have kept it real.

[ShyNine]

Just for kix I emailed this "porn star" up in phx after checking a video clip of her on xvideos.

I asked if she would come to tucson and take part in a gangbang.

She said sure!

3 conditions though, no black or hispanic guys and all over 18.

I've not heard about $ yet but wanted to post this if any of us have an interest.

I figured we'd chip in and get a room but only after we have confirmation.

What are the groups thoughts?

Any thoughts about being filmed?

http://www.xvideos.com/video24033253/alternative_pornstar_vinyl_vixon_gagsgion-part_3

http://www.xvideos.com/video23566008/tattooed_*****_getting_mouth_and_pussy_double_hammered

[DkPersonal]

Might be educational!I know a few places in Nogales and Agua Prieta.

[ShortManSexy]

I know a few places in Nogales and Agua Prieta.Good places? Safe?

[Member #5291]

When and where? -and how much $$.


Just for kix I emailed this "porn star" up in phx after checking a video clip of her on xvideos.

I asked if she would come to tucson and take part in a gangbang.

She said sure!

3 conditions though, no black or hispanic guys and all over 18.

I've not heard about $ yet but wanted to post this if any of us have an interest.

I figured we'd chip in and get a room but only after we have confirmation.

What are the groups thoughts?

Any thoughts about being filmed?

http://www.xvideos.com/video24033253/alternative_pornstar_vinyl_vixon_gagsgion-part_3

http://www.xvideos.com/video23566008/tattooed_*****_getting_mouth_and_pussy_double_hammered

[TucsonTaoist]

I know a few places in Nogales and Agua Prieta.Nogales and Agua Prieta points of interest appreciated. And is it true there's no money to be saved by going to Mexico anymore?

[JayTomCar]

I do not know anything about Agua Prieta, but I was just down in Nogales and discovered that there are several hotels across the street from the Hotel Regis that have girls. I check with one and she was asking $60 for full service. I didn't go for it, but plan to on my next trip. Several of the ladies were pretty hot. 7 or 8 IMHO.


Nogales and Agua Prieta points of interest appreciated. And is it true there's no money to be saved by going to Mexico anymore?

[Uncivil]

I do not know anything about Agua Prieta, but I was just down in Nogales and discovered that there are several hotels across the street from the Hotel Regis that have girls. I check with one and she was asking $60 for full service. I didn't go for it, but plan to on my next trip. Several of the ladies were pretty hot. 7 or 8 IMHO.These days $1 USD will get you about 20 pesos. In the pre-NAFTA days, you'd get over ten times that. So, perhaps that's part of the problem as to why a road trip to Mexico isn't financially worthwhile any more.

[Turbo Mech]

Just for kix I emailed this "porn star" up in phx after checking a video clip of her on xvideos.

I asked if she would come to tucson and take part in a gangbang.

She said sure!

3 conditions though, no black or hispanic guys and all over 18.

I've not heard about $ yet but wanted to post this if any of us have an interest.

I figured we'd chip in and get a room but only after we have confirmation.

What are the groups thoughts?

Any thoughts about being filmed?

http://www.xvideos.com/video24033253/alternative_pornstar_vinyl_vixon_gagsgion-part_3

http://www.xvideos.com/video23566008/tattooed_*****_getting_mouth_and_pussy_double_hammeredI'm definitely down!

[ShyNine]

Ok guys, I see we have interest.

I'll email vinyl again and see if she'll give more info.

I'm tied up til the 27th but ya'll go ahead and schedule something if needed.

I'll try and post today or tomorrow with more info.

Happy hunting till then and happy holidays.

[WifeAffair42]

I have great connections in Nogales. I am heading down tonight. I am not sure what time yet. I always get a room at the Olivia Hotel see: https://goo.gl/bWdapQ.

Cost is about $22 and the rooms are surprisingly nice! Anyone down? I will get everyone hooked up tonight. All girls are wonderful and sensual.

Let me know in advance so I can get the girls (quantity) setup. Lately I normally take 2 girls back to my room during the night and a few times I have take 3. PM if anyone is in for tonight?

[Sneaky1]

I have great connections in Nogales. I am heading down tonight. I am not sure what time yet. I always get a room at the Olivia Hotel see: https://goo.gl/bWdapQ.

Cost is about $22 and the rooms are surprisingly nice! Anyone down? I will get everyone hooked up tonight. All girls are wonderful and sensual.

Let me know in advance so I can get the girls (quantity) setup. Lately I normally take 2 girls back to my room during the night and a few times I have take 3. PM if anyone is in for tonight?Where do you usually find the ladies, at the clubs or across from Regis. I used to know this guy by the name of Carlos that would hook me up sometimes bit that was a while back.

Haven't been S in a while but next month I might have an excuse to leave my SO and spend the night down S.

[Fanny Fan]

From a Dec. 21 article in The Scientist: "A preliminary study suggests a few minutes of gargling mouthwash may help fight off the bacteria that cause gonorrhea, at least in the short term".

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/47818/title/Rinsing-With-Mouthwash-May-Treat-Gonorrhea/&utm_campaign=NEWSLETTER_TS_The-Scientist-Daily_2016&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=39616948&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9SEPJQ__vrEqgM4MVorTQMTZ4_c01oNhM6sIuuBmow1gYdwspTZBzDdhYeAmxJHUW9eoYEW7cwtjpUGcOrIBbIsBBBAA&_hsmi=39616948

[TucsonTaoist]

From a Dec. 21 article in The Scientist: "A preliminary study suggests a few minutes of gargling mouthwash may help fight off the bacteria that cause gonorrhea, at least in the short term".

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/47818/title/Rinsing-With-Mouthwash-May-Treat-Gonorrhea/&utm_campaign=NEWSLETTER_TS_The-Scientist-Daily_2016&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=39616948&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9SEPJQ__vrEqgM4MVorTQMTZ4_c01oNhM6sIuuBmow1gYdwspTZBzDdhYeAmxJHUW9eoYEW7cwtjpUGcOrIBbIsBBBAA&_hsmi=39616948I have to admit, I do think about this new antibiotic resistant super gonorrhea I've been hearing about that. If I get that, my life will change and not for the better. :

[TucsonTaoist]

I have great connections in Nogales. I am heading down tonight. I am not sure what time yet. I always get a room at the Olivia Hotel see: https://goo.gl/bWdapQ.

Cost is about $22 and the rooms are surprisingly nice! Anyone down? I will get everyone hooked up tonight. All girls are wonderful and sensual.

Let me know in advance so I can get the girls (quantity) setup. Lately I normally take 2 girls back to my room during the night and a few times I have take 3. PM if anyone is in for tonight?In case you didn't get down there tonight.

[ShyNine]

I finally got a reply and when she quoted $2000 to do 4 guys I politely said no thanks.

We have strippers in town that might do it for a lot less and be more animated.

[NatibusVenator]

I finally got a reply and when she quoted $2000 to do 4 guys I politely said no thanks.

We have strippers in town that might do it for a lot less and be more animated.Pretty sure that you can talk Jess into doing something like that.

[Gilligan46]

Just a question. I have seen various opinions of what this really means. Any one want to share a specific definition?

[JDSax7]

Just a question. I have seen various opinions of what this really means. Any one want to share a specific definition?GFE=GirlFriend Experience.

To me that just means that it has the feel of being a more intimate experience rather just a business transaction.

[BestIntentions]

GFE=GirlFriend Experience.

To me that just means that it has the feel of being a more intimate experience rather just a business transaction.My personal definition of GFE would be exactly that. An experience that you would have with your girl friend. Kissing Intimately, sucking Intimately, fucking Intimately, and even some spooning after. And maybe even an nap. But the GFE experience ends when you have to reach for your wallet. GFE is over after that.

[I Luv Head]

I finally got a reply and when she quoted $2000 to do 4 guys I politely said no thanks.

We have strippers in town that might do it for a lot less and be more animated.That's $500 per guy and towards the low end of what you would expect to pay for a Porn Star. The problem is that she is not a Porn Star. She has done a few videos, but in no way would I consider her a Porn Star and I wouldn't pay more than $300 - $400 for an hour of her time. Good call on turning it down.

On a side note, there is an actual Porn Star, (forgot her name, but she has done hundreds of movies) that posts every once in a while and lives in Scottsdale. She posts for around $400 an hour and I have thought about making the drive to see her several times, but just haven't fit it in my schedule yet. You may want to keep an eye out for her and see if you get a better rate for the group if you are still interested in it.

ILH.

[I Luv Head]

Just a question. I have seen various opinions of what this really means. Any one want to share a specific definition?It means that you should get exactly what you would expect out of a girlfriend. I would expect LFK, DFK, BBBJ, FIV, DATY and a more sensual experience than you get out of 90% of the providers that advertise GFE, (at least in Tucson). I personally expect to make out for a bit with DFK and lots of body exploring and licking and sucking before we even get to the main event. Stripping and immediatly sticking my limp cock into her mouth and then expecting my to suit up and fuck her after a few minutes of sucking it without any kissing or touching is really fucking lame and in no way a GFE, (unless you have a shitty GF).

There are plenty of providers that do offer a true GFE, but unfortunately most do not live in Tucson, (or even visit) because GFE providers charge a lot more than the shitty hit it and quit it providers we are used to and Tucson mongers have a reputation of being cheap and trying to negotiate rates. I have tried several times to get some of my ATF GFE providers to visit and they all say that they may come to Phoenix some day, but they would never come to Tucson and I don't blame then at all.

ILH.

[ShyNine]

Pretty sure that you can talk Jess into doing something like that.Isn't she the one you guys keep saying runs late and no shows sometimes?

[ShyNine]

That's $500 per guy and towards the low end of what you would expect to pay for a Porn Star. The problem is that she is not a Porn Star. She has done a few videos, but in no way would I consider her a Porn Star and I wouldn't pay more than $300 - $400 for an hour of her time. Good call on turning it down.

On a side note, there is an actual Porn Star, (forgot her name, but she has done hundreds of movies) that posts every once in a while and lives in Scottsdale. She posts for around $400 an hour and I have thought about making the drive to see her several times, but just haven't fit it in my schedule yet. You may want to keep an eye out for her and see if you get a better rate for the group if you are still interested in it.

ILH.My feelings exactly. I was not overly impressed with her clips but thought it'd be fun. I'd only have gone $225. Jasmine tame is a sweet time if you ever happen to be where she is.

There is a blond in scottsdale and a redhead MILF that post from time to time up there.

[NatibusVenator]

Isn't she the one you guys keep saying runs late and no shows sometimes?One and the same, but if there is a real PSE to be had in Tucson, Rio Blaze not withstanding, then Jess is it. Especially for an 'amateur' if you will.

[TucsonTaoist]

Isn't she the one you guys keep saying runs late and no shows sometimes?I doubt she'd see more than one at a time! I still want to, just for the experience! I just lack the patience and temperament to persevere long enough to get past her paranoia.

[Sneaky1]

Ok guys so last night someone texted me out of an unknown number I asked who it was and they knew my name and gave me their name. I didn't know who it was so I just ignored it thinking someone is playing a jk on me. So this morning they call I answer but they just hangup. The txts continue then I get a txt from my SO asking who _ is. This person is telling my SO how I am a cheater saying that me and her have been going out together. So this person sent a pic and it is someone some of you might know.

My thing is, I haven't met up with this person at all, how did she (or whomever it was) get my name my SO'S number and why was she messaging us.

If it actually was the person in the pic doing this, why?

I have the names and numbers of this person if anyone wants them send me a message. Also if anyone has had a similar experience let me know.

[Great Expecta]

Ok guys so last night someone texted me out of an unknown number I asked who it was and they knew my name and gave me their name. I didn't know who it was so I just ignored it thinking someone is playing a jk on me. So this morning they call I answer but they just hangup. The txts continue then I get a txt from my SO asking who _ is. This person is telling my SO how I am a cheater saying that me and her have been going out together. So this person sent a pic and it is someone some of you might know.

My thing is, I haven't met up with this person at all, how did she (or whomever it was) get my name my SO'S number and why was she messaging us.

If it actually was the person in the pic doing this, why?

I have the names and numbers of this person if anyone wants them send me a message. Also if anyone has had a similar experience let me know.Post her name and pic for best results.

[JohnnyBoy1369]

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[DkPersonal]

Nogales and Agua Prieta points of interest appreciated. And is it true there's no money to be saved by going to Mexico anymore?There is money to be saved 100%. You can pretty much always talk those girls down depending on a bunch of factors because some of them like to be stubborn. The strip clubs are virtual ***** houses (like Guau Guau's in agua prieta), that would be a place of interest if you don't have a ton of familiarity with the area, with spanish, or just if you want a guarantee. Depending on the guy working the tables (make sure they are guys because bros look out, they know what you want, I've been to a few places where the non-stripper girls were the go-between and they don't give a rat's about you and will pretty much spit in your drink if they had the chance), you can bargain with the guy because the house gets a cut and he's probably going to be the guy you are giving the money too. Otherwise, you have the bars where they don't strip or the night clubs where they dance, those are crap shoots and you really have to be careful as to not mistake one for the other. For example, there is the Continental Bar in Agua Prieta that is fairly close to the border, I've had an ok amount of success in there. Sometimes it's really dead, sometimes it's not, but that place is just like a regular bar. There are a few hotels where you can go in both Nogales and Agua Prieta that will have women sent to your room. I can't remember the name off the top of my head of the hotel (I want to say it's on 20th ave in agua prieta but I could be wrong, definitely will know it if I see it) but that place had four girls jammed pack into one little room and they basically sit there and wait for people to request them. The downside to those girls were that they were cokeheads. Just sitting in that room snorting it.


Good places? Safe?It's Mexico, I don't really think you're safe anywhere. But on the positive side, not everyone is out to get you.

[WifeAffair42]

With everything going on I want to offer my Mexico connections to all my Senior friends for starters. I would like to include some regulars after the first wave of Seniors travel down so they can report back on their experience.

I really want to help the Seniors to know and understand Nogales, Mexico. I am ready to arrange a trip to Nogales and can accommodate 4-5 comfortably in my vehicle. Trust me when I say I have the connections. We will travel down to Nogales, AZ and park. Then walk across the border. My friends will meet us and take us to the Olivia Hotel. There you will get a room for 20-25. The Hotel is not that bad! Remember the dollar is very strong there. We are picking up an extra 100 pesos now. I recommend getting Pesos from the ATM at the Banks nearby Olivia Hotel. The Hotel you can pay in dollars if you wish. I can also take care of anyone with Pharmacy needs with my connections there as well. We will hit the Pharmacy first on way to the Hotel. I can get all the girls setup in advance and you can even tell me your types. We can meet at a Starbucks to discuss details or wherever. It is very safe and the girls are not all messed up like american girls. The girls also get tested but not sure how often. Install "Google Translate" to your phones to help communicate. Surprisingly you can do quite well without knowing Spanish but some helps. I will teach everyone on drive to Nogales the important things to say to the girls. Hit me up on PM and we can start some trips down and figure out the best way to manage / schedule these trips. I am in between contract jobs now so I can make multiple trips down anytime during the week. Prefer to get 4 passengers before committing to a trip down. It is normal for me to hang out and do multiple girls, normally 2 but I have had 3 different girls a few times. Trust me this is quite satisfying to add to your Bucket list. Jack and Morgan would be proud! Everyone is more then welcome to drive to Nogales in their own car as well.

Should I post this in the Nogales, AZ forum as well?

[John Doe 5830]

With everything going on I want to offer my Mexico connections to all my Senior friends for starters. I would like to include some regulars after the first wave of Seniors travel down so they can report back on their experience.

I really want to help the Seniors to know and understand Nogales, Mexico. I am ready to arrange a trip to Nogales and can accommodate 4-5 comfortably in my vehicle. Trust me when I say I have the connections. We will travel down to Nogales, AZ and park. Then walk across the border. My friends will meet us and take us to the Olivia Hotel. There you will get a room for 20-25. The Hotel is not that bad! Remember the dollar is very strong there. We are picking up an extra 100 pesos now. I recommend getting Pesos from the ATM at the Banks nearby Olivia Hotel. The Hotel you can pay in dollars if you wish. I can also take care of anyone with Pharmacy needs with my connections there as well. We will hit the Pharmacy first on way to the Hotel. I can get all the girls setup in advance and you can even tell me your types. We can meet at a Starbucks to discuss details or wherever. It is very safe and the girls are not all messed up like american girls. The girls also get tested but not sure how often. Install "Google Translate" to your phones to help communicate. Surprisingly you can do quite well without knowing Spanish but some helps. I will teach everyone on drive to Nogales the important things to say to the girls. Hit me up on PM and we can start some trips down and figure out the best way to manage / schedule these trips. I am in between contract jobs now so I can make multiple trips down anytime during the week. Prefer to get 4 passengers before committing to a trip down. It is normal for me to hang out and do multiple girls, normally 2 but I have had 3 different girls a few times. Trust me this is quite satisfying to add to your Bucket list. Jack and Morgan would be proud! Everyone is more then welcome to drive to Nogales in their own car as well.

Should I post this in the Nogales, AZ forum as well?If I had the time and was single I'd be all over that. Hope to hear some good reviews / stories.

[WifeAffair42]

If I had the time and was single I'd be all over that. Hope to hear some good reviews / stories.The best part is it is all 100% Legal!

[John Doe 5830]

The best part is it is all 100% Legal!If only I could get away for something like that. Post up some good stories!

[Panache]

The best part is it is all 100% Legal!Just stick to women 18 and over for two reasons. First, Mexican Police are cracking down on guys who solicit underage girls there. Second, US citizens can be arrested here in the US for soliciting underage girls in other countries.