General Reports

[Papa Rotzi]

I've always found decent talent / selection after about 4 pm. Hawaiian Club has had much better talent as of late, but The Green Door has the occasional gem. These girls don't typically live there; they drive in from Mexicali or somewhere else. Therefore, they are there for one thing. Work, make money and head back home a few weeks later. So they are all downstairs by 4 pm, 6 pm latest. They know the border times and that most gringos head back by 9 pm. Prices are typically quoted as $60 or $80 for a visit (20-30 minutes?) and then there's the room charge ($10 or $20). BYOC or they will charge you $2 for one of theirs and they are cheap, thick shitty ones. Everything's negotiable, but it's not often you can get one for less than $20 off their asking price. Plus if you want a BBBJ make sure you confirm -- BJ sin condom?. Otherwise it's covered. Maybe an up charge for this so I negotiate them down $20, then if they demand an up charge for the BBBJ we are back to her original quoted price. If she's hot enough, I'll do it. You can manage 2 or 3 in one evening if you a). Start early enough, be. Have the funds and see). Make sure you are DONE by 9:15 pm so you can make the border crossing (and your car not getting towed) by 9:45 pm.


Thanks for the info. I could be mistaken but I think I've read in the past that the two places don't really get going until 9 or 9:30 pm. Do you know if that is true or if you show up at 1 or 2 pm will you find a good selection of companions? Also, if it is true about the times being later, that would seem to contradict how one can go have some fun and get back before the border closes.

Any thoughts on prices as well? If anyone is interested in going down on a Thursday early afternoon to be back in Phoenix by 6 or 7, I might be interested in a traveling partner.

[PartyDiver]

I've always found decent talent / selection after about 4 pm. Hawaiian Club has had much better talent as of late, but The Green Door has the occasional gem. These girls don't typically live there; they drive in from Mexicali or somewhere else. Therefore, they are there for one thing. Work, make money and head back home a few weeks later. So they are all downstairs by 4 pm, 6 pm latest. They know the border times and that most gringos head back by 9 pm. Prices are typically quoted as $60 or $80 for a visit (20-30 minutes?) and then there's the room charge ($10 or $20). BYOC or they will charge you $2 for one of theirs and they are cheap, thick shitty ones. Everything's negotiable, but it's not often you can get one for less than $20 off their asking price. Plus if you want a BBBJ make sure you confirm -- BJ sin condom?. Otherwise it's covered. Maybe an up charge for this so I negotiate them down $20, then if they demand an up charge for the BBBJ we are back to her original quoted price. If she's hot enough, I'll do it. You can manage 2 or 3 in one evening if you a). Start early enough, be. Have the funds and see). Make sure you are DONE by 9:15 pm so you can make the border crossing (and your car not getting towed) by 9:45 pm.The thing about the border crossing- yes, all the gringos clear out before the closing. After that, if you're still there, it's a buyer's market. The girls don't really have anywhere to go, so they hang out in the bar. I'd say that for your first few times, get a good feel for the places and get back across the border. BTW, even though I have never had a problem, I also am safe by leaving everything locked in the car except cash, passport, condoms, and single car key.

[Papa Rotzi]

If you do go and decide to spend the night. Be sure you PARK your car in the OVERNIGHT section of the parking lot. If you do not, your car WILL be towed and it's quite expensive and time-consuming to get your car back. Ask when you pull in to park where the O / and sections are. Better to be safe than sorry.


The thing about the border crossing- yes, all the gringos clear out before the closing. After that, if you're still there, it's a buyer's market. The girls don't really have anywhere to go, so they hang out in the bar. I'd say that for your first few times, get a good feel for the places and get back across the border. BTW, even though I have never had a problem, I also am safe by leaving everything locked in the car except cash, passport, condoms, and single car key.

[Slider42]

Thanks for all the info on Mexico.

I need to take a trip south for some more blue pills AND visit the bars while there.

Do we reveal meds on the way back or conceal them?

[Papa Rotzi]

They are pretty thorough in looking. Not worth the risk and they don't care too much. 6 month supply is allowed. Don't be greedy and you should be ok. I also buy some other OTC meds like ibuprofen etc. Plus a few funky food items to through in the bag. Not just blue and yellow pills.


Thanks for all the info on Mexico.

I need to take a trip south for some more blue pills AND visit the bars while there.

Do we reveal meds on the way back or conceal them?

[NorthScotts2]

Is it possible to share what the blue ones cost for a month supply? Not sure if you need to PM about that but I'm curious as I'm making a trip there soon.


They are pretty thorough in looking. Not worth the risk and they don't care too much. 6 month supply is allowed. Don't be greedy and you should be ok. I also buy some other OTC meds like ibuprofen etc. Plus a few funky food items to through in the bag. Not just blue and yellow pills.

[Redbull1]

So the lady and I have recently decided to diversify in our sex life and discussed heading out to a swingers club to check it out and see if it's for us. I have read some not so great things on discretion's as well as encounters. We are both relatively average as far as bodies go and you at 32 and 26, and I'm really not interested in what I read. Anyone have any thought on some other clubs or some insight to share into the two I know of? Thanks all.

[Papa Rotzi]

Go to the Purple Pharmacy (Can't miss it) and ask for Olivia. She's usually working in the smaller Purple pharmacy across the Street from the big one with the grocery store attached. Generic V 100 mg is $2/ each. Cialis is about a dollar more. Quality varies depending on shipment, I think. My guess is it all comes in from India regardless of where you buy the generics. No fact, just my beliefs based on packaging.


Is it possible to share what the blue ones cost for a month supply? Not sure if you need to PM about that but I'm curious as I'm making a trip there soon.

[DavePHX]

Manifestation charged companion goes to Court March 14th.

As I've reported before asking a cop "are you a cop" breaks the Phoenix manifestation law. Monica J., arrested for this (long story) after protesting outside Bethany Bible Church about Project Rose goes to Court March 14th.

Unfortunately she and her ASU support group seem to be ignoring the real legal issues but protesting all over the web about discrimination just because she he a TS. This has nothing to do with the case and have yet to hear any real legal defenses from her or her group.

She did a video recently which could do more legal harm that good. Sadly she is not very well spoken as a representative of companions to fight the Phoenix manifestation law. But obviously we hope she wins.

There is a large demonstration planned for outside the Courthouse at 8 AM. Mostly ASU folks it seems and many from the transgendered community.

Other than their ranting about discrimination, I have been able to find few real facts about the legal case. Am not sure if its just a preliminary hearing or actual trial. Or, what their defense strategy is other than their discrimination rants vs the law.

Phoenix Municipal Court - 200 W. Washington Ave "trial" they say starts at 8:30 AM Court Room 607 Friday March 14th. Demonstration on Court House steps at 8 AM.

[DavePHX]

News Alert Chan 12/15 NBC / ABC Dennis Hof.

Just spend the afternoon with Dennis Hof (from Phoenix originally) the brothel owner in Nevada and in Court.

Have no idea what the spin will be or how much will be shown. But Dennis did extensive interview on Court House steps with Chan 12 and 15 as well as his about 1 your testimony being examined by Tracy Elise at the Phoenix Temple Evidentiary hearing.

For the most part was excellent as was Tracy.

In court testimony foundation laid regarding the evidentiary hearing on the motion than included criminal intent of a prostitute vs the Phoenix Temple.

Outside of court blasted Arizona for their wasting funds bringing criminal cases against consenting adults.

Lots more stuff. Will report on the private list.

Dennis Hof will be called as an expert witness at trial and the State has to pay his fees!

Lots of interviews / depositions going good with other witnesses. About 23 to interview.

Trial now continued until July 9th. Almost 3 years since swat team raid. Trial expected to take at least 8 weeks.

I had long discussion with Dennis on our sham prostitution raids, manifestation charges, etc., and of course he totally supports us.

Much more into to come on Temple list but this might start hitting the early news shows if they want to broadcast the Dennis Hof angle.

[DavePHX]

New Arizona Felony Prostitution Law passed House 58-0 now to Senate.

Since most politicians are buying the lie that all sexwork involves trafficking, the Arizona Legislature is at work to make it easier to put private consenting adults, web site owners and anyone who "encourages" in prison even beyond the current criminal enterprise law that has so many wonderful women facing felonies in Superior Court today.

HOUSE BILL 2454 passed the House 58-0 on 2/27/2014. It has been read in the Senate, passed out of Judiciary to Rules committee, read 2nd time in Senate and on 3/4/14 back to Senate Judiciary Committee. It appears to also have no opposition in the Senate and of course Gov Brewer will brag about signing it when it gets to her.

The hype of course is about the increased penalties for "child" prostitution but it has many provisions that are about consenting adults. A news report that includes brief mention of adult related activities after the child hype is at http://arizona.newszap.com/westvalley/130245-114/arizona-house-increases-penalties-for-sex-trafficking-of-children.

All escorts and massage therapists required to have license number on all ads. This expands to all of Arizona the Scottsdale, Phoenix and other cities licensing requirements which as far as I know no one has complied with. Positive identification is required for all customers, open place of business and of course nothing sexual can be offered. I have never seen an ad with an escort license number. This makes it easy when LE wants to do busts, boast that they are making cities safer and get more fines and fill up the jails. Scottsdale did mass busts last year when they made the licensing law criminal not civil. Dangerous sexy women that offer sexual pleasure seem to be a huge threat to the citizens of Arizona.

Bill provides a Class 5 felony for anyone who "encourages" anyone to be a prostitute or engage in an act of prostitution. Could this include website owners as "encouraging"? I bet County Attorney Montgomery would love the publicity of shutting down and imprisoning many more dangerous prostitutes even beyond his current aggressive prosecution of so many private consenting adults.

Increases mandatory prison terms if engage in child prostitution including age 17 ranging from 10-24 years in prison and not eligible for suspension or probation. Obviously we have no interest in under age 18 but that is the headline of the law vs its consenting adult inclusions.

Bill Title: "Human Trafficking; prostitution".

This is based on the abolitionist movement and under the Federal Trafficking Act that includes customers that "obtain" services of prostitutes are sex traffickers. This makes it easier to prosecute and fill up the Courts with more felony cases under Arizona law and is broader than the current "Criminal Enterprise" felonies so many escorts and massage women now face in Superior Court.

The war against consenting adult sexuality builds with almost no opposition.

I spent much of Friday afternoon with the most famous legal brothel owner in the USA Who was in Court testifying in at a hearing on a motion in the Phoenix Temple case which I am reporting on in great detail elsewhere. He was very good and short excerpts were on Chan 12 and Chan 15 news (my head is shown briefly in a shot! I has long discussion with him before and after his testimony. On the Arizona Central site (owns 12 News) there is a slightly longer version as well as the interviews in 2012 after the raid from jail. A total of 37 were indicted.

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/articles/20140307phoenix-goddess-temple-dennis-hof-brothel.html

The 9th Circuit challenge to prostitution law is getting closer to raising the funds needed. But when the right case is found (with standing) it will take years of litigation.

There are zillions of felony prostitution cases I am trying to follow in Superior Court that have some good challenges to the Arizona prostitution law but as usual most are taking felony pleas for probation instead of risk long prison terms if convicted at a trial. Therefore, legal challenges are not tested by a judge and jury. Includes escorts, massage, goddesses, Tantra folks etc.

This of course doesn't include close to 400 rounded up in the Project Rose take them to the Church sweeps. Agree you are a "victim" and go to Catholic Charities "reprogramming" or go to jail.

[Member #4210]

Early this winter I noticed several escort ads that displayed numbers that appeared to be escort license numbers required by Scottsdale on their advertising. However, that was something that seemed fleeting and it has long since passed in use.

Also, I believe that escorts were required by Scottsdale to obtain licenses AND to keep written logs, records of all transactions with names of clients that were to be produced upon demand for inspection by the city, but I really don't know what I am talking about, especially compared to Dave.

[DavePHX]

I believe that escorts were required by Scottsdale to obtain licenses AND to keep written logs, records of all transactions with names of clients that were to be produced upon demand for inspection by the city, but I really don't know what I am talking about, especially compared to Dave.Correct. I did extensive report on Private List but a sample of requirements:

This is from Scottsdale Code which is similar to Phoenix and other cities.

Sec. 16-469.

Records required.(a) Every escort and escort assistant shall maintain, on city-approved forms, a complete legible written record of every transaction whereby the permit holder acted as an escort or escort assistant. The record shall show the date and hours of each transaction, the location (s) where the escort and patron went, the job capacity of the escort assistant (as applicable), and the name and telephone number of the patron (s) for whom the permit holder acted as an escort or escort assistant.

(g) The escort shall provide to each patron a written contract and receipt of payment for services. The contract shall clearly state the type of services to be performed, the length of time such services shall be performed, the total amount of money such services shall cost the patron, and any special terms or conditions relating to the services to be performed.

(e) It shall be unlawful for an escort assistant to allow an escort to provide sexual services to a patron.

(f) It shall be unlawful for an escort to grope the clothing covering a patron s genitals, or the clothing covering the breasts of a female patron.

(g) It shall be unlawful for an escort to touch himself or herself, or ask a patron to touch himself or herself, on the genitals, buttocks or breasts (of a female patron).

H) It shall be unlawful for an escort to request that a patron take off his or her clothing.

Sec. 16-472. Penalty. A person who is convicted of a first violation of section 16-471 of this article shall be sentenced to serve at least fifteen consecutive days in jail, and is not eligible for probation or suspension of execution of sentence until the entire sentence is served.

Added findings of detrimental secondary effects from escort operations, including health risks and violent crimes.

Revised definitions, adding escort assistant, as a person who provides scheduling, driving, security and other services to escorts.

Every escort and assistant must carry an escort I'd card keep records of all ads and all advertising must display the license number.

[DavePHX]

HUGE STING NOW! Started last night and reported to continue all weekend.

Reports include that 40 were arrested so far from Thursday night. TER focused at least by some reports from those only on TER. Is multi-jurisdictional.

TER is rejecting posts about it.

Careful screening and verification passed. It is real clients participating.

Many reports including lawyer on retainer has clients busted "some of top providers in Phoenix.".

TER ads and Reviews known to be used. May also be using other boards.

The 40 arrested Thurs night were booked and not released until Friday morning -some at 5 AM after initial appearance.

All sorts of charges including Criminal enterprise felonies, prostitution, escorting with out a license.

We know being done in Scottsdale and a companion overheard that Temple is starting this weekend.

Does not appear to be Project Rose related.

Some report clients setting up appointments that are from Chicago here for spring training. They pass various means of verification and reference checks by well known companions who verified them.

We know of very well known careful to verify escorts that were arrested.

This information is from multiple reliable sources with direct contact with many arrested.

Be careful!

[DavePHX]

STING ALERT Update 3/15/14 as of 6:30 PM.

Saturday Night ANOTHER STING in progress. Seems massive again. Many reports of same cop name setting up mostly two hour appointments for Saturday and one report of same cop targeting incalls for Sunday. Using references of well known companions that have never hard of him when checked.

For companions I have much more detailed update just sent on the Private List including info do not want to post in public.

One report that cop had her ad and pointed to the TER banner on her site and said this is why you were targeted.

Glendale also participating.

At a Scottsdale Hotel they could not process the masses fast enough. A report that due to the backlog of arrested companions in the lobby one had a drink with "friendly arresting cop" at the bar before could be taken to lobby for processing.

Scottsdale has only two holding cells. So the 40 arrested Thursday night were taken to Maricopa County 4th Ave jail. But the pods that hold 16-18 prisoners soon filled up with companions, so some switched to another pod and eventually to a larger holding area where processed and had initial appearances lined up most of the night. One released at 5 am next morning.

Cell phones taken probably to find others that might be sting candidates in future waves and no mug shots posted to keep secret.

In one case a companion's driver was followed and violently pulled out of car and arrested. His car was trashed by police and he was hauled to jail and charged with being an escort assistance without a license.

We know of at least 4 people that tried to post on TER about the raid and all were rejected.

Reportedly this operation will continue to the end of March. They will probably in the end be "grandstanding" as Dennis Hof testified in Court (Temple case) with LE portrayed as heroes to stop sex trafficking which media is jumping on in many cities and in many countries.

The former mayor of Scottsdale Mary Manross is reportedly pushing the stings to make the city safer for tourists. It is reported she caught her husband with an escort which is why she has it in for companions.

Obviously my recommendation is:

Do not offer or charge for anything sexual and do not advertise GFE or worse terms and do not allow reviews especially on TER. While reviews can not be introduced as evidence at trial they may be used to coerce into a plea.

Offer a sugar daddy type personal relationship not escort, or not any kind of sexworker that could be charged as prostitution.

No clients known to be targeted yet.

[Tooncinator]

Hi, all. Since it's been so quiet lately I hope you'll indulge me for a moment. I'm anticipating I'll need a hotel room for a couple hours on a weeknight soon. I'm thinking I might check in at lunch, enjoy the room in the evening, then check out early that night.

I've never actually checked into one without being on the road, family in tow. Motel 6 seems like a good bet, with rates starting below 50 bucks. Anyone have suggestions or cautions to offer?

Thanks much!

[Papa Rotzi]

See Title --


Hi, all. Since it's been so quiet lately I hope you'll indulge me for a moment. I'm anticipating I'll need a hotel room for a couple hours on a weeknight soon. I'm thinking I might check in at lunch, enjoy the room in the evening, then check out early that night.

I've never actually checked into one without being on the road, family in tow. Motel 6 seems like a good bet, with rates starting below 50 bucks. Anyone have suggestions or cautions to offer?

Thanks much!.

[Tooncinator]

See Title --

.Glendale. I-17 & Dunlap through Arrowhead are most convenient.

[ThomasT1964]

Glendale. I-17 & Dunlap through Arrowhead are most convenient.There is a Studio 6 motel right off the I-17 at Union Hills that is pretty nice. The rooms have been remodeled and seem very clean.

[Papa Rotzi]

Well, I'm an East Valley dude so can't really help you, but your comment on a Motel 6 or similar would seem a safe bet. Others might have better suggestions. Good Luck.


Glendale. I-17 & Dunlap through Arrowhead are most convenient.

[NorthScotts2]

In the past, I would use google maps on my smart phone and search for hotels on the area of the map where I wanted to be. Then I would tap on the dot to see what the name of the hotel was. Google maps is nice because it has reviews and you can click to call directly from the review. Obviously reviews are subjective but you can find patterns that will help you keep clear of bad establishments. This also made calling around to get rates very quick.

Here is what I found, I could have gone the route of a $40-$50 motel 6 (summer rates of course since sure is coming) or I could move up to the hyatt place or residence inn, both nice, clean, and safe located close toDunlap and I-17, for about $70. Because I was staying the night, I chose to spend an extra $20 due to better accommodations and safety. For a few hours, you could get away with the red roof inn or motel 6 or even a la Quinta, but avoid certain ones like the motel 6 on Indian school and I - 17. I got ripped off there and then when I left, I realized my error by even driving into this motel with seeing the type of people walking around.

Hope this helps.


Glendale. I-17 & Dunlap through Arrowhead are most convenient.

[Bigtim47]

Very troubling news about the sting. DavePhx, can you give us some sort of update, or is the word still quiet?

Thanks,

[DavePHX]

Very troubling news about the sting. DavePhx, can you give us some sort of update, or is the word still quiet?
Thanks,There have been 5 updates on the Private List with lots of suspicious activity but nothing yet in addition to the 40+ busts we know about from last week. Some show up in the booking reports and if they had a condom on them charged with prostitution in addition to escorting without a license. Arraignments 3/31 so don't expect to hear more until then for those busted.

New concerns include calls from cell phones that were taken by police and setting up or confirming appts from phones LE now has.

No mugs since pictures, fingerprinting, DNA swabs done at hotel not 4th Ave.

Lots of rumors about FBI being in town going to do joint task force with Phoenix and Tempe but nothing is known for sure.

[DavePHX]

Felony Case Updates (all names just first for privacy).

Because there are strong legal defenses against the Arizona prostitution law I have been monitoring many cases looking for briefs, motions etc that lay out a defense.

Sadly the only case found is the Phoenix Temple Case which has some outstanding briefs attacking the prostitution law and the current evidentiary hearings regarding the use of the Arizona Religious Exemption related to Tantra etc spiritual beliefs. This could be a landmark case and Tracy is doing an outstanding job acting as her own attorney (with backup legal support). We are now in an extensive evidentiary hearings on motions related to excluding or not the religious issues. Legal Brothel owner Dennis Hof and others have been excellent witness with many more scheduled. This kind of mini trial on the motion will continue at least into May.

This case if lost will be appealed and there are many chances and good arguments to make this a "landmark case".

However, there are no real legal defenses by way of motions to dismiss, limit evidence, Motions in Limine etc in the other felony cases I am following in Superior Court. So far it seems everyone is just caving to plea deals instead of going to trial with a defense.

Below is an update on just a few of the many felony prostitution cases in Superior Court. This does not include the zillions of misdemeanor prostitution cases where the penalty is only 15 days in jail on 1st offense or 30 days on 2nd. Not the potential felony record and either felony probation or prison for felonies when a companion has a driver, phone helper or anyone helping her. This makes everyone associated subject to felony prostitution for being affiliated with a "criminal enterprise". Agencies of course are very at risk for these charges.

Cory and Tamara CR2013-456520.

Told two women on an adult website in May and June of 2012 to meet Cory separately at a hotel. He allegedly talked them into working for him as escorts. He provided them security, condoms, paid for hotel room and placed ads for them on backpage. Tamara used her laptop to help write the ads and took pictures for the BP ads.

Police set up meetings (3) with Tamara while undercover and were offered intercourse for $160 but to come to her apartment near Country Club and University and to bring condoms. All deals were broken off after they were arranged according to police.

Also, a homeless women was referred to them in July 2012 from the Internet and came to his apartment and discussed how she could work as an escort and split the money with him. Pictures taken and laced online. However she left the following day deciding not to be an escort.

Cory and Tamara were arrested on suspicion of pandering and operating houses of prostitution in November 2013 - both Class 5 felonies.

Tamara in March 2013 pled guilty and placed on probation but do not find terms. Cory posted $10,000 bond but apparently didn't show up for a hearing and a bench warrant was issued. On 3/19/14 he apparently turned himself in and the warrant was quashed.

Upcoming dates:

4/1/2014 - Bond Forfeiture Hearing.

5/1/2014 - Pre-Trial Conference.

5/8/2014 - Trial (often dates continued).

The Studio CR2013-4288651 Swat Raid June 2013.

16 Indicted - 2 not yet found / arrested.

Judge is the same as Temple case. Very fair in my view from attending all the hearings.

Latest arrest Serena from traffic stop and warrant found. No assets, no job, born in 1994.

Took Pleas vs prison term and up to about $200 k in fines if convicted.

Adriana. Class 6 felony UD.

Amber. Class 6 felony UD Sentencing 6/10/14 recommendation supervised probation.

Michelle. Class 6 felony UD supervised probation.

UD= Undesignated which usually is with a testimonial agreement against co-defendants and if complete probation can apply to the Court to have the felony record reduced to a misdemeanor.

Next status conference 4/9/14 for the 11 arrested but not yet pled.

Appears owner still in custody on $50,000 bond. He has 2 prior felony convictions from 2006 and served 3 years probation (Criminal enterprise and fraudulent schemes).

Sentencing for those pled in June 2014 but will be deferred if any after any trials since plea agreements subject to testimonial agreements against others. They can not be sentenced and begin probation until all co-defendants are pled or tried.

The Champaign Room Strip Club CR2013-104850.

Investigation started based on a complaint of 1/6/2011 and then extensive undercover investigation until indicted in 2013. Reviews and ads used in indictment.

All 5 indicted arrested, 1 - the son of Janet dismissed. He had used his AXP card to pay for some ads.

Owner Sterling $50,000 cash bond paid.

Owner Janet $50 k reduced to $3 K bond paid. Home was destroyed by SWAT team tank that smashed in the front at about the time the Swat team stormed the club. Had severe panic attacks in jail.

Both owners refused a plea deal of 1.5 years in prison.

Dancers took Pleas for Class 6 felony UD Plea deals sealed:

Margaret posted $5000 bail.

Tiphany (from original indictment pled before supervening).

TV report shows the smashed in front of the home briefly and a neighbor who said his daughter told him "the army is out front" with the big swat van and troops attacking. Nice legs of dancer that just came to work! http://www.azfamily.com/news/Strip-club-actually-prostitution-house-police-say-188908551.html.

New Times reported:

"According to the wisdom of comedian Chris are., No matter what a stripper tells you, there's no sex in the Champagne Room." Well, Phoenix police say a 24-hour strip club called the Champagne Room was also a house of prostitution. Now men will never know what to think of people with pierced tongues.

Over 50 witnesses noticed for trial which probably includes many customers.

Latest rest pretrial 5/19/14 with trial 5/12/14.

3 Massage Parlors 2012 Raid CR2012-147073.

China Day Foot, AZ Massage and Foot and Greenway Massage.

8 indicted all arrested.

Co-Owner Martha pled guilty to Class 6 felony 9/24/2013 - 6 months supervised probation.

Co-Owner Robert pled guilty to two felonies 9/13/2013 - 18 months probation on each but to run concurrently.

Shu age 24 arraigned 9/2013 posted $5000 bond was speeding on US 60 when stopped for traffic and arrest warrant found. Only speaks Cantonese. Was previously detained in June 2013 for massage license violation but did not interview due to language barrier. Is legally in the USA So no ICE referral. Another indication was on probation for massage without a license. 3/19/14 change of plea hearing but no agreement.

Hong in August 2013 made interesting motion to dismiss which was denied based on the indictment should only be for prostitution and not criminal enterprise since prostitution now qualified predicate offense since only a misdemeanor. Argued that the State can not "boot strap" the prostitution into racketeering (criminal enterprise). Motion lost but with judge granted leave for it to be re-urged at trial. However then dismissed on motion by the State on 3/12/14 "in the interest of justice".

53 State witnesses have been noticed which probably includes clients.

Lan. Originally charged with prostitution on 3/27/13 under Phoenix code not Arizona and booked into Mesa jail. Then indicted by Grand Jury on criminal enterprise felonies similar to some of the other worker defendants. Lan filed a special action with the Arizona Court of Appeals which declined to hear the case at this point. 1/15/14 pled guilty Class 6 felony UD, 1-year probation.

Estephany 3/12/14 - Dismissed By Prosecution Motion "in the interest of justice.".

Jerome posted $25,000 cash bond. 1/17/14 pled guilty to criminal enterprise felony with an agreement for no more than 3.5 years in prison or if granted probation must serve 30 days in jail not to be defeated or deferred.

Jerome admitted to operating three houses of prostitution (massage parlors) and that he did not adequately supervise his employees. He had no priors, has a stable family, age 70 retired, use to own a pawn shop, and a low risk to re offend. Letter from doctor of medical condition that requires indoor incarceration due to issues of dust etc.

2/19/14 Sentenced. Criminal Enterprise Class 3 felony. 4 years probation after 30 days in jail starting 2/19/14 with no credit for time served. Plus the usual $65/ month probation fees and $20 surcharge.

Plus the usual:

1. A criminal restitution order in favor of the state for the unpaid balance, if any.

Of any fines, costs, incarceration costs, fees, surcharges or assessments imposed.

2. A criminal restitution order in favor of each person entitled to restitution for.

The unpaid balance of any restitution ordered.

Next status conference for those not pled 4/14/2014.

Diana and for possible change of plea.

Shu. Just status conference.

These two only ones left that have not pled to felonies or dismissed.

Hair Salon Massage Bust CR2012-008667.

Indictment and arrest of 3 in late 2012. All pled in late 2013.

Esmeralda. Operated massage parlor out of hair salon and detectives got or offered topless hand job from a co-defendant for $80, oral for $100 and intercourse $150. Pled to 2 counts of money laundering class 6 felony and sentenced to 2 years supervised probation on each count to run concurrently.

Zondra. Pled to Criminal Enterprise Class 6 felony UD - 6 months probation.

Johanna. Pled to Criminal Enterprise Class 6 felony UD - 1 year probation.

Hui - (Asian Female) Individual CR2013-448098.

Indicted 10/2013 for prostitution (M1) and keeping a house of prostitution (Felony 5).

Has noticed rebuttal witnesses 3 in total.

2/11/14 - Donald Advisement. Plea rejected.

Trial expected to last 2-3 days.

Final Trial Management 4/2/14.

Trial 4/10/14 (but dates often get continued).

Adam. Chandler Massage House CR2013-457976.

In late 2013 an undercover women pretended to work for Adam and pretend to give at different times an undercover a massage with hand release. Adam stayed in another room and the undercover gave Adam $50 of the fee. Another time a female was stung and admitted she gave hand jobs to clients and gave Adam part of the fee.

Indicted for 3 felonies; Illegal Control of Enterprise, Receive earnings from prostitution and Keep house of prostitution. Released on $5000 bond 2/7/2014.

The usual various motions and settlement hearing 3/19 continued on 3/20/2014.

Another Settlement Conference 4/8/14.

Pre-Trial Conference 5/14/14.

Trial 5/21/14 (but often continued).

Blue Moon Strip Club owner CR2012-007826.

4 counts child prostitution, 2 counts sex trafficking, 2 counts pandering.

3/13/2014 - Two new attorneys noticed Court.

4/24/2014 - Next case management hearing.

6/16/2014 - Final Pretrial Conference.

Trial not yet on calendar.

Denise the (felony prostitution) CR2013-003936.

Had 3 prior drug related felonies not prostitution but took a plea as charged and sentenced to 1.5 years in prison in January 2014.

Jerry. Child entrapment sting.

Answered BP ad for an 18 year old with fake pictures of obviously older women, with ad saying for consenting adults. Older officer entrapped by mentioning she was 16 and he didn't realize the age of consent is 18 in Arizona unlike most states where 16. He was clearly not seeking from ad of an adult any under aged person. Yet now he is alleged to be a dangerous pedophile when again he had no intent to seek anyone under age 18.

In their wisdom, Phoenix is placing ads for obviously adults and tricking them as was the case of the Denver executive (Whole Foods) who came from Denver and had no clue the age 18 issue in Arizona vs 16 in Colorado and answered an adult ad.

But this trick makes LE heroes with lots of media reports on how caught a child monster. When he was not even seeking under age 18 only tricked.

2/13/14 - Hearing after letters from his two teenage adopted daughters (one from So Korea) begging to have father back and adopted son. Neighbor letter telling how much trusts him with her young daughter without hesitation. Psy letter stating no history of abuse and no risk to children. Court only allowed contact with minor children in a public setting with another approved adult.

Next dates 3/31/14 pretrial and 5/28/14 current trial date (almost always continued).

"Swedish Ana" child sex CR2013-423334.

Arrested May 2013 no bail since a danger to society along with Dale be. For sex with minors under age 15 including a 3-year-old. Very graphic details previously reported will not repeat since such a shock.

12/2013 Ana pled guilty to 3 counts of sex with minor class 2 and 3 dangerous felony. No release allowed prior to sentencing. Plea agreement sealed.

3/5/2014 Dale denied request for new counsel.

Ana. Next sentencing status conference continued to 5/12/2014.

Aphrodite Escort Service. Vincent and Melissa L.

Federal charges in NY Federal Court for high-class escort service. Had hoped to follow this case and see some good defense motions attacking the law. However nothing more than bond hearing for $50,000 and home detention.

Latest:

Status Conference held on 3/14/2014. Parties engaged in plea discussions. Next Status Conference scheduled for 4/25/2014.

ORDER that bail conditions are amended to allow the L's to leave their premises daily from the hours of 10:00 am To 3:00 pm Ordered by Judge Eric and. V on 1/28/2014.

The complaint goes in detail how it furthered its prostitution business through its relationship with "The Erotic Review Board" known as "TER" via detailed graphic reviews.

The Federal charges are related to the interstate financial transactions of a unlawful activity, promotion of prostitution via the Internet (TER) etc.

Many news reports of July 2013 arrest of the couple including http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/long-island-couple-accused-running-prostitution-site-article-1.1403238.

[Member #4210]

i sure appreciate the details of these matters. i am especially grateful for the accounting of the **** sting operations. these show the law enforcement is up to a bunch of scams, fraudulent changes if you will rather than justice. and the prosecutors are also overcharging and inventing violations that never occurred. it is good to see inflated charges dropped in the name of justice.

recently, my communications with one friend were interrupted and all i can think is that she has been caught up in this and hope for the best.

today, the law is very technical and overly bloated. for instance, if one makes an atm withdrawal each week for a year, one exceeds the limits of federal law and that act becomes technically guilty of money laundering. likewise, i heard that a business that the authorities did not like (i believe it was either operating without a license or it may have been in an area zoned for residential use only). was charged with money laundering because they had made too many deposits via their atm!

property rights have been destroyed in the ussa.

i am surprised we are not seeing charges of money laundering and other crimes since the fbi appears involved.

i hope tracy gets a big win and hers becomes a landmark case because i can think of no other woman who deserves to prevail.

certainly, i wish those who were involved in law enforcement and all would put their energies in other areas. we have some real problems in other critical areas.

i had a big laugh about "angie's list." i'll bet angie loves having her business associated with the erotic review! and of course the officer gave ter a plug. that should drive more people to that website!

that site is so full of bullshit as are the police when their sergeant claims $300-900 on a "menu" of sex acts. that utterance puts these efforts against prostitution and (non) pedophilic sex in the same category as the war on drugs! both are wars on the people. wars against the people should be halted as they yield false victims and false perpetrators.

i appreciate these reports and updates. and i appreciate the time it takes for you to get them up.

[DavePHX]

Re: Money Laundering.

In Phoenix this felony is charged whenever they can trace cash from a worker being deposited into a bank or just in a safe where money is stored. Usually places / gals keep some track of money received. So the assumption is it was illegally gained, deposited or transferred to hide its source and therefore money laundering.

[DavePHX]

WOMEN TOO DUMB TO KNOW THEY ARE VICTIMS.

Not Just In Phoenix. Nation wide victim industry for funding etc.

Human Trafficking. Denver Vice Lt S says:

"Prostitutes are not friendly. It's not like your talking to a child-abuse victim or a fiftheen-year-old sex assault victim who wants to cry out and wants to explain what happened or is just scared. These girls just flat out say, 'Nope that's NOT happening.' WE HAVE TO HELP THEM REALIZE THEY ARE VICTIMS.".

The Denver Police are forcing prostitutes to lie about being forced, to get government funding.

The Denver Police (and other Police departments around the country) receive grants from the Federal government for fighting Sex Trafficking. When they don't find any forced against their will prostitute victims – They make them up, so that they won't lose funding. So. The police are trying to invent victims? Where no victim exist?

The prostitutes say that no one is forcing them and the police don't believe them? So the police want the prostitutes to lie? And the police are forcing the prostitutes to lie about being forced? This doesn't make sense.

http://coloradosextraffickingvictims.wordpress.com/the-denver-police-are-forcing-prostitutes-to-lie-about-being-forced-to-get-government-funding/

[Member #4210]

Everyone talks to me. So, I get a different point of view. Allow me to give four examples: Two for and two against.

Early on I spent some time with a very gorgeous woman who was young and supported her family solely by this. She advertised on BackPage and still does. Her fees were modest. She always worked safe. And she told me that she loved her job and that it allowed her to meet wonderful men and she had a lot of repeats. As she said, "We really get to care for each other.".

Later, I met an older middle aged or so woman who advertises on BackPage. She is attractive and has a great reputation at what she does. She took a liking to me and we hung out for quite a while but she wasn't quite my type. She told me BEFORE she was always getting beat up by men, but once she started doing this, she said she started meeting BETTER QUALITY MEN who did not beat her up and treated her much better.

She had trained for another profession and went into debt for that but she found she did not like that work. So, she found she could take care of those student loans and all her other needs, including raising her children by doing a job she absolutely loves.

More recently, two girls left the profession. Both are dabblers and neither advertised on BackPage. Neither does very well in this and both have stopped and for similar reasons. The younger girl left the profession and town without her children. No john has ever harmed her but her bf beat her. She readily admits it was her fault because she pushed her bf to it. She had been dabbling in this for years because she really likes sex but her fear is losing another child to the State. She regrets her occupation but still indulges in cannabis even though that was the technical reason (pot in the feces of the newborn) she lost one of her children. If she could do this legally, she would and the income would allow her to feed herself and rear her children and KEEP HER FAMILY TOGETHER.

The middle aged woman who also does not advertise on BackPage is worried about possibly losing her children in a contentious divorce and stopped doing this. However, she was beaten so badly in her marriage that she has permanent brain damage. She is really petite and it appears she has often been physically abused. Part of the reason she has stopped is peer pressure. That may be a different type of beating but it is still abusive.

Neither of these two girls advertised on BackPage and neither has done well. Instead of BP, the older one trolled CL Casual ads for men offering help. And the younger one advertised on CL offering massages and got referrals from others.

It appears those girls who advertise on BackPage do better. They earn more money and can take better care of themselves and provide for their families. They also attract a better clientele and are safer.

The Big Spoiler in all of these is the State. What victims? By making this a crime, the State further abuses these girls and harms them!

By taking on his profession, these women seem empowered and lead better lives. All occupations have risks. And this one seems to pay about the same per hour as the "legal prostitutes" we politely call "attorneys" or "lawyers" and "judges.".

Clearly, the federal government is too big and wastes money by supporting terrible things. Claiming women of the night are "powerless" and "victims" is an insult. This is not called "he oldest profession in he world" without reason!

And when we see the travesty the courts have made out of marriage, the up front transactions with no hidden costs or hidden agendas is far more noble than most marriages. Marriage today has been made no more than a ceremonious form of prostitution because the liberal courts today are always robbing men of their means to attract and support another mate while awarding his assets to an irate female as well as his children when every study in the world points to far better outcomes for the children when the children are reared by father alone.

Our Constitution reserves ALL POLICE POWERS TO THE STATES but this overly large federal government has usurped the "power of policies." Moreover, the federal government pays for these terrible outcomes with phony paper money. The feds have trashed our people with their phony "War on Drugs" and other programs with are really "Wars on the People." One of he reasons America has such THE LARGEST PRISON POPULATION per capita in the world is that the central COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT pays the States more money per day for each inmate housed than housing hose inmates costs the State. So, it really is about what passes for money and profit--to enslave us!

[AzHound]

If there are women too dumb to know they are victims, they are this guy's target audience:

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/looking-for-a-sexy-girl-to-get-paid-with-23/27280964

I thought pimp's were supposed to pick up farm girls just arriving in the big city at the bus station, or maybe turn a girl into a crack Ho, who knew all you had to do was advertise on BP for girls who need a "manager"?

[Member #4210]

I remember reading about this bill at the federal level which would enable prosecution of BP and TER and all internet sites allowing advertising and / or support, but I couldn't find it.

What is the latest on this?

Is it likely to pass soon?

Such a bill would change everything.

Thanks in Advance.

[Jack Clear]

Early on I spent some time with a very gorgeous woman who was young and supported her family solely by this. She advertised on BackPage and still does. Her fees were modest. She always worked safe. And she told me that she loved her job and that it allowed her to meet wonderful men and she had a lot of repeats. As she said, "We really get to care for each other."I know a girl like this, it's weird, but it's genuine. It's strange.

I don't overthink it.

[DavePHX]

I remember reading about this bill at the federal level which would enable prosecution of BP and TER and all internet sites allowing advertising and / or support, but I couldn't find it.
I believe you may be referring to the Arizona proposed law that is likely to pass. AG Horne was on 10 PM news with conference on how critical it is to head off the zillions of children to be trafficked for the Super Bowl. Of course 90% arrested are consenting adult but children and trafficking makes it easier to get zillions of funding and fantasy trafficking. As I recall the word "assisting" is in the proposed Arizona law. Passed one house unanamously and out of committee to the next (forget if House or Senate first).

Under the Federal law traffficking already illegal which might apply to a website. Trafficing includes CONSENTING adult. It is "extreme trafficking" if coercered.

[Member #4210]

I believe you may be referring to the Arizona proposed law that is likely to pass. AG Horne was on 10 PM news with conference on how critical it is to head off the zillions of children to be trafficked for the Super Bowl. Of course 90% arrested are consenting adult but children and trafficking makes it easier to get zillions of funding and fantasy trafficking. As I recall the word "assisting" is in the proposed Arizona law. Passed one house unanamously and out of committee to the next (forget if House or Senate first).

Under the Federal law traffficking already illegal which might apply to a website. Trafficing includes CONSENTING adult. It is "extreme trafficking" if coercered.Am I being prematurely paranoid or does it appear that le is expanding its application of the current federal laws?

Also, how soon can the Arizona Bill make it through to law? And might there be any provisions which allow le to go back in history a year or two to harass folks?

[Arizona Junkie]

New legislation signed into law by the Governor becomes effective 90 days after the end of the Legislative session, UNLESS it is approved with an emergency clause that would make it effective much sooner. Given the political popularity of the anti-trafficking movement, I think an emergency clause is likely. You can look up the status of current bills at azleg. Gov.


Am I being prematurely paranoid or does it appear that le is expanding its application of the current federal laws?

Also, how soon can the Arizona Bill make it through to law? And might there be any provisions which allow le to go back in history a year or two to harass folks?

[DavePHX]

Am I being prematurely paranoid or does it appear that le is expanding its application of the current federal laws?
Also, how soon can the Arizona Bill make it through to law? And might there be any provisions which allow le to go back in history a year or two to harass folks?AZ legislation session till May 1st but can be extended.

Laws usually can not be applied retroactively.

I don't think in reality will make much worse. Fed trafficking law is rarely used since Arizona already has criminal enterprise and broad prostitution law. LE against companions is like fish in a barrel since all they have to do is find an ad or website that has GFE or other terms and its an easy bust without having to even meet a cop. Just come to house when can find you and arrest.

So the new law aimed more at those that assist aka "traffickers" aka drivers, assistants and maybe website owners. Website owners have been charged in other states but have to have some active participation in deciding what gets posted etc (like TER) but BP has been able to escape since don't control what goes on just third party posts is how they are fighting charges on 1st Amendment and other grounds.

It seems customers will continue to have low risk with the enforcement going after the companions, and anyone who assists them.

[DavePHX]

Americans United Tells Phoenix Officials To End Use Of Anti-Prostitution Program Anchored In Religion.

Phoenix Endorses Religion And Coerces Suspects To Participate In Sectarian Ministry, Church-State Watchdog Says.

(Dave notes yet another great media piece inspired by the young folks at SWOP-Phoenix. They may not have the most articulate spokespeople, but they are being VERY effective in getting media attention. Even the mainstream media about the Monica issue. If only there was as much support for a court challenge of the Arizona vague prostitution law and the waste of $millions going after private consenting adults exposing the lies and sham research that its about children and trafficking).

Apr 4, 2014 - Government officials in Phoenix are violating the law by compelling individuals suspected of prostitution-related offenses to participate in a program administered by religious groups, Americans United for Separation of Church and State says.

In a letter sent today to city officials, attorneys with Americans United assert that the program, Project ROSE, clearly violates the First Amendment. Project ROSE consists of a partnership between Phoenix police, Catholic Charities and a local Christian church.

Those arrested in the city's sex-work stings are forcibly taken to Bethany Bible Church and escorted into the church in handcuffs. They are then given the option to avoid criminal prosecution by participating in a sectarian program.

"Phoenix is essentially telling criminal suspects that they can go to church or go to jail," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. "The government has absolutely no right to force anyone into a position like that. These suspects shouldn't be coerced into participating in a program that might not reflect their own beliefs.".

Under the program, suspects must authorize Catholic Charities to enroll them in its Prostitution Diversion Program in a section of the church marked by a sign with a Latin cross, the Project ROSE logo and the words "Prosecutor's Office." There, a city prosecutor informs them that if they wish to keep their arrest off the books, they must complete Catholic Charities' program.

If the suspects don't agree, a police report is submitted to the Prosecutor's Office, and they are charged with prostitution. A conviction carries a mandatory sentence of 15 days to six months' imprisonment, in addition to a fine.

"The city is coercing individuals to participate in religious activities and programs, under pain of criminal prosecution," reads AU's letter. "The city is conveying its endorsement of religion generally and Christianity in particular. And the city is using taxpayer money and law-enforcement resources to aid religious institutions. Please immediately end these violations by suspending Project ROSE.".

The letter, signed by Americans United Legal Director Ayesha and. - Senior Litigation Counsel Gregory M. - and Madison Fellow Zachary A. - asks the city for a response within 30 days.

"This is an especially serious violation of religious freedom," - remarked. "The city of Phoenix is rounding up suspects for the purpose of sending them to a religious program, and then threatening to prosecute them if they decline to participate. The government may never force its citizens to choose between religion and prison.".

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, the. See. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

https://au.org/media/press-releases/americans-united-tells-phoenix-officials-to-end-use-of-anti-prostitution

[Member #4210]

Over time my impressions of this agency's girls are they are young and extremely beautiful and are encouraged to not only GFE and DFK but BB every client for repeats to earn both their reputation as a high end classy provider and to make sure their clients are satisfied in every way possible and to justify their upper end fees.

Can anybody confirm or dis-firm this?

Thanks in Advance.

[FascinatingArt]

I've been a satisfied client for years. I agree with most everything you posted, except FS has always been covered, and I don't consider $5/ hr "upper end fees". With one sad exception (she didn't last long) they have all been in the 18-30 range, exceptionally beautiful, RBGFE, DFK, sweet, sexy, determined that both of us would have a great time, and great conversationalists (I know some won't care, but that is extremely important to me). My experiences with PhxGirls have been comparable with my best experiences with high end classy providers (5-hr).


Over time my impressions of this agency's girls are they are young and extremely beautiful and are encouraged to not only GFE and DFK but BB every client for repeats to earn both their reputation as a high end classy provider and to make sure their clients are satisfied in every way possible and to justify their upper end fees.

Can anybody confirm or dis-firm this?

Thanks in Advance.

[WizardOfAahs]

I'm visiting this weekend, so I figured I wold take a look around the forum for some intelligence gathering. I've seen some other questions from other visitors go unanswered and troublesome news. Normally I am a BP or CL monger and looking to donate to the local economy. Any info appreciated.

[DavePHX]

The Nordic Model. Well organized anti-sexwork support in Canada, you. K., France etc.

The anti-sex groups are well organized globally and they won approval by the European parliament in March 2014. The argument is women have to be protected from their own choices since some are too dumb to know all prostitution is violence against women!

In Canada in response to the Supreme Court ruling invalidating all prostitution laws (bawdy house, pimping and public street solicitation. Outcall always was legal) the Parlimentary study committee is considering the Nordic Model, since the Supreme Court focus was on harm reduction for prostitutes.

In the you. K. an all-party parliamentary group on prostitution has recommended Britain follows the lead of countries such as Sweden and Norway, which make the purchase of sex illegal.

The Nordic model, decriminalises sex work, rests on the argument that all prostitution is violence against women. The parliamentary group, following that line, says the current law "serves to normalise the purchase and stigmatise the sale of sexual services — and undermines efforts to minimise entry into and promote exit from prostitution.".

Organisations representing sex workers have long argued against this "Nordic model", but these arguments have gone unheeded by the year-long enquiry.

They say the criminalisation of clients will push sex work underground; sex work will continue irrespective of legal change. Such laws further stigmatise sex workers and put lives at risk. Police resources will not be focused on investigating issues of abuse, violence and trafficking but on policing consenting sex.

The report is in line with recent decisions made by the European parliament. The Danish and French governments also plan similar laws.

Sex workers' organisations have been campaigning for the introduction of laws similar to those in New Zealand; there sex work is decriminalised and sex workers are allowed to work together in small owner-operated brothels.

Opponents say there are a number of other ways in which the "Nordic model" fails. "...the Swedish Sex Purchase Act is often said to be an effective tool against human trafficking. The evidence for this claim is weak... The official data that does exist is vague; some authors have also pointed out that the act may have raised prices for sex, making trafficking for sexual purposes potentially more lucrative than ever.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-call-for-prostitution-to-be-legalised-but-demand-tough-new-penalties-on-pimps-9164069.html

Other media comments:

The British study group argues, "Legal loopholes enable men to evade prosecution for abusing girls as young as 13 and fail to protect women who have been trafficked into Britain against rape." Therefore a law is needed to criminalize all customers regardless if consenting adult sexworkers or not.

But critics of the move suggest it could drive prostitution further underground, making it more difficult to rescue women who wanted to escape the sex trade.

The March 2014 European Parliament vote was passed by a majority of 343 to 139. A Labour MEP who put forward the resolution, said it would target "men who treat women's bodies as a commodity without criminalising women who are driven into sex work". (regardless if it was the women's choice or not).

(Note what appear to be mis-spellings of some words are since its the British English spelling in the various reports. Criminalisation, stigmatise etc).

[DavePHX]

You. K?

Odd if you use the initials of the United Kingdom this software change it to you. K?

[DavePHX]

The child and sex trafficking scam of LE is nationwide as in Phoenix.

The well organized children sex trafficking lie groups are gaining in power all over the USA (and globally) not just in Phoenix. The scam to go after private consenting adults is a huge funding and grant tool for police agencies as well as makes great political foder for election campaigns for the "save the children" farce.

Many recent examples of big busts using children as the excuse when hardly any children are found.

Denton Texas 4/8/2014.

A four-day crackdown on human trafficking by a federal law enforcement task force netted 15 prostitution-related arrests in Denton County.

Deputies arrested nine people on attempted prostitution charges and six on solicitation of prostitution charges throughout the county from Thursday through Sunday in conjunction with the FBI's Child Exploitation Task Force.

Three other people were arrested on drug charges during the sting operation, according to a news release from the Denton County Sheriff's Office. One of the 18 people arrested in Denton County was a registered sex offender, officials said.

No child victims were found in Denton County, according to a spokeswoman for the Dallas FBI office. Sheriff's Office spokeswoman ... Told the Denton Record-Chronicle that the department did not know if any of those arrested in Denton County were involved in child sex trafficking.

Said the Denton County arrests were not related to child sex trafficking.

In North Texas:

The FBI said that among those arrested in North Texas were four pimps, 18 johns and three offenders who solicited children for sex trafficking via the Internet. (Probably like in Phoenix ads for an 18 year old and entrapped by the adult impersonator).

The crackdown was part of the Innocence Lost National Initiative, established in 2003 by the FBI's Criminal Investigative Division in partnership with the Department of Justice and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, to address the growing problem of child prostitution.

In addition to the Sheriff's Office, the Denton and Lewisville police departments and the Denton County District Attorney's Office were among the 18 federal, state and local law enforcement agencies participating in the operation, officials said.

A spokesman for Denton police, said the department made two arrests on outstanding warrants and assisted in one arrest with the Sheriff's Office.

Lewisville police Capt. Said the Lewisville officers played more of a supporting role while the Sheriff's Office headed up Denton County's efforts in assisting the FBI and the Homeland Security investigations.

Dave notes a huge 4-day 18 -agency task force that arrested 15 in Denton, all consenting adults and 22 adults in North Texas, 3 alleged looking for under age 18 (probably entrapment) and 4 "pimps" who were most likely boyfriends or husbands acting as drivers or helpers like in the Scottsdale recent sting.

Our tax dollars at work. http://www.dentonrc.com/local-news/local-news-headlines/20140408-county-makes-arrests-in-prostitution-sting.ece.

[Papa Rotzi]

I-10 and Chandler Blvd area. BP ads for 18 yo girls (2 diff ones), but text you back once you make contact and say "buy me cigs, I'm only 17... Or another says "I'm only 16 but will make I will make it worth your while". GUYS -- don't be stupid.

[DavePHX]

Monica Jones Guilty Observations.

Monica did a great job of testifying after the move to dismiss on constitutional grounds was denied.

The judge was very good, very precise and detailed asking many key questions and carefully clarifying all his rulings on objections and the case.

Unfortunately based on the elements of the Arizona manifestation law he had little choice as he discussed in detail in finding Monica guilty because of 1 or 2 key elements of the law were met by the City Prosecutor.

There were 3 key factual issues where there was minor disagreement between the perceptions of the undercover officers testimony and Monica.

1) Asking if a cop. This Monica easily rebutted. Cops were on patrol doing their roundups for Project Rose and Monica was in the area they were searching for prostitutes to fill their quotas to bring to Bethany Bible Church. Monica says she said "your a cop" vs the cops recalling she asked "are you a cop" Monica easily won this element by saying she then warned him about the sting in response to saying he was not a cop. So this element was no issue, Monica won.

2) The big one she lost on and maybe blame the attorney for not addressing it. As the judge pointed out. Was the cops testimony not refuted was Monica grabbing the cops groin area. She admitted this without any explanation why. Therefore the judge had no choice but to include this as un refuted evidence that meets one of the "manifestations" in the Phoenix law.

3) About split on the issue the cop said Monica made him touch her breasts vs Monica denying. The judge took this as a factor for the State but I think he may have errored since Monica denied it. Or her testimony that she wore a very revealing top but no nipples showed vs. Cops saying she pulled down her top to expose her breasts.

As the judge pointed out (as did Monica's attorney) that when there is conflicting testimony absent any discrediting evidence, the cop's testimony is given NO more weight than the defendant.

But the State basically established element 2 that she grabbed his groin area which she admitted to.

In addition the judge had to take into account, her prior prostitution conviction and she had motivation to alter her story because she faced the mandatory 30 days in jail.

IDEA FOR APPEAL. But in the testimony it was brought out that there were about 14 squads in his area rounding up the number they needed to take to Project Rose. This might be a factor in the bias of thought of the officer.

The judge was very lenient where he could be. He had no choice than 30 days in jail since was her 2nd offence it is the mandatory minimum on the 2nd offense. He sentenced to the minimum he could under the law. He also reduced the statuary fine where he does have discretion from $2500 to only $150 due to her going to ASU and not having much income. He says he rarely reduces the fine but has the authority to do so.

He also has to asses jail costs which for 30 days in jail is $2540.70, but due to her student status only is charging her $350.

He also wanted her sentence to not interfere with her ASU classes and after discussing with Monica set the sentencing arrangement date for May 28th as to not interfere with her studies.

I assume Monica will appeal and has 14 days to file a notice of appeal, then the hard stuff comes for the attorneys in the Appeal Memorandum etc. I suspect the Appeal will take at least a year but the judge indicated he would stay the sentence pending appeal assuming she appeals. The concern is this could be very costly in legal fees. Don't know if a concern or not.

Obviously the case had nothing to do with "walking while Trans"... There were no racial or Trans issues involved.

Other notes.

The ACLU attorney who joined in Monica's motion did a great job arguing the constitutional issues related to the vagueness of the Phoenix Manifestation law. But as the judge pointed out he is here to be a finder of facts related to the city of Phoenix manifestation law and not the Constitutional issues which can be raised on Appeal.

I have zillions more of notes and comments but thought I would get out this brief summary.

[Member #4210]

See my post under BP reviews. Thanks to the many warnings here, I was able to figure this one out.

Be careful! They are getting more sophisticated.

[DavePHX]

NEW ARIZONA LAW AGAINST ONLINE ADULT ADS ETC.

See press release after highlights:

Advertisements, including online ads, for escort services and massage therapists include a business license number and must have written permission of any women in the ad with evidence they are not minors.

This applies to individual escorts and massage ads.

- Escort or massage license number.

- Escort or massage therapist maintain on file for 1-year proof of age of any escort advertised.

- Civil fine of $500, $1000, $5000 for 1st, 2nd and 3rd or more offense.

"Escort" means a person who for consideration agrees or offers to act as a companion, guide or date for another person or who agrees or offers to privately model lingerie or to privately perform a striptease for another person.

Fines go to the Human Trafficking Victims Assistance Fund.

Criminal prostitution includes anyone who "encourages" any person "to become a prostitute or engage in an act of prostitution." (websites?

A prostitute can avoid charges if she claims to be a victim of "sex trafficking.".

Child prostitution now includes if knows or "should have known" age 15-17 is a class 2 felony with mandatory minimum on the first offense of 7 years in prison, presumptive 10.5 years and maximum 21 years in prison. Longer mandatory prison for 2nd offense and longer terms if "pimp" who receives any money, houses, transports, etc.

Note Phoenix LE has been doing massive entrapment stings with ads for age 18 or 19, pictures of older adults and than mentioning when meet or phone age 17 to entrap those that don't know the law. In April 2014 in 2 days 14 customers were caught in this entrapment and face child prostitution charges.

Press Release:

4/22/14 - PHOENIX (AP) - Gov. Jan Brewer signed sweeping legislation Tuesday that aims to curb human trafficking and was championed by the wife of USA Sen. John McCain.

Brewer, who made the issue a priority during her State of the State address, signed the bill into law during a news conference.

House Bill 2454 toughens penalties for trafficking adults for prostitution, and targets businesses such as massage parlors and escort services that advertise online. It requires advertisers to post their license numbers, and they must also have written permission of any women they depict and have evidence they are not minors.

"The goal of this legislation is to further discourage criminals from inflicting this horror on people of Arizona, particularly our children," Brewer said. But we must and we will remain active, vigilant and ready to act in order to end this evil in Arizona.".

Cindy McCain, who sat on a governor's task force that came up with the outlines for the bill, said the legislation would put Arizona at the forefront of the fight against human trafficking by imposing harsh penalties for pimps.

"What this task force has done and what the governor has done in putting this House bill together is literally on the cutting edge of what's going on with this issue and has been followed around the world," McCain said.

McCain has been championing human-trafficking legislation not only in Arizona but in other states, especially ones that host major events such as the Super Bowl, which she says attract traveling pimps and prostitutes. The proposed Arizona law will help close off the state to those traffickers, she said.

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Eddie Farnsworth, are-Gilbert, increases the minimum penalties for a child-prostitution conviction from 10 years to 24 years in prison. It also makes pimping a child or adult a racketeering offense that will allow asset seizures.

The bill received unanimous support in both chambers of the Arizona Legislature.

[Member #4210]

Dave,

I watched the news aghast! It "feels so good" but is built upon lies and deception.

When does it go into effect?

[DavePHX]

Dave,
I watched the news aghast! It "feels so good" but is built upon lies and deception.
When does it go into effect?I assume it was declared an emergency like almost all bills related to sexwork have been. Consenting adult sex is such a threat to citizens of Arizona. That makes it effective immediately. Otherwise, it is 90 days. I have read anything that says for sure.

[Papa Rotzi]

posted: thursday, april 24,2014 7:41 pm.

abc15.com

tempe police department detectives have reportedly arrested 30 people involved in a prostitution sting.

according to a news release, detectives conducted a long investigation of human trafficking and prostitution. they were targeting suspects soliciting **** girls for sex acts, females soliciting sex and those acting as pimps.

police say they have made 16 prostitution arrests and 14 child prostitution.

during the investigation, detectives contacted women online that had created escort ads. they later found that these women were offering sexual favors in exchange for money, according to police.

detectives also posed as **** girls who were requested for sexual favors.

[DavePHX]

posted: thursday, april 24,2014 7:41 pm.
abc15.com
they were targeting suspects soliciting **** girls for sex acts, females soliciting sex and those acting as pimps.
police say they have made 16 prostitution arrests and 14 child prostitution.
one of the ads i believe it was here someone warned about was shown on chan 5 news that had the age 99 on it. no one was seeking under aged, they were entrapped by adult ad for adults. that is the scam they are running to get their child numbers up and attack all prostitution. the cop mentions something about being age 17 when call (to get cigs or something) and guys don't realize that arizona is only one of six states that makes age 17 "children".

this probably helps them get grants etc and support to go after all prostitution when they have make believe children to entrap (the cop is not a child), to argue much of prostitution is children.

[DavePHX]

34 Arrests days after new law effective. Regional Crackdown on prostitution promised targeting online consenting adults.

Customers arrested include professional golfer, an EMT and man on the day before his wedding 5 News reports. He lost $10,000 he had paid for the wedding since he was in jail.

16 men for prostitution that showed up at a hotel sting from adult ads.

14 men charged with child when responded to adult ad but then told younger age and didn't realize the legal issue.

3 Women massage therapists from Eurospa.

1 Man that ran Eurospa charged with criminal enterprise.

Tempe Police Chief Tom Rxxx said that police around the Valley and state are making a regional effort to crackdown on sex trafficking and sex slavery, using a new state law that increases penalties. He said Tempe police have assisted in similar Maricopa County Sheriff's Office and Yavapai County Sheriff's Office sting investigations.

Detectives created pages on websites to lure men."It's like any undercover operation. The job of the detective is to play that role.".

Rxxx said the old days of prostitutes flaunting themselves in provocative attire on street corners are over, and that prostitution is now an Internet-based crime. He said police have to adapt their tactics to keep up with the criminals.

"Now, with the Internet, it's much easier, and the target audience is much greater," Rxxx said.

New law expands the definition of prostitution to include anyone who "encourages" any person to do acts of prostitution. In addition all escorts, companions and massage / body rubbers require license numbers on all advertising.

Various studies dispute the data used by the save the victim organizations. The study shows that forced "trafficking" is not as big of a problem as some would have us believe. Most sham studies only include those arrested (often from the streets), or in shelters because abused by pimps or in required drug programs. This does not represent a cross-section of nonincarcerated consenting adult private workers.

But the definition of trafficking under the Federal Act includes consenting adults and the media convinces the masses that prostitution is about children with pimps.

Under the new law, you can claim you're a victim of sex trafficking and have a get out of jail card to be a sacrificing pawn for the trafficking / victim funding industry. That supports their claim that a high percentage of "prostitutes" are the victims of "sex trafficking.".

Yes, go after the abusive under aged forced by pimps. A very small percentage of arrests. But mass arrests of consenting private adults bolsters numbers to support more funding for stings and the widespread "trafficking" myth.

There seems to be a lack of actual ladies that are saved from traffickers in all these sting operations lately. Project Rose has arrested close to 400 women who have to choose between being a "victim" to please Catholic Charities, or go to jail. Applause for those that refuse to become their "victim". As one recently said the only violence she has seen in sexwork is that of the police. She felt she had been kidnapped to Bethany Home Church by the police and refused to be a pretend victim and was warned she would get a citation with the mandatory jail time.

[NightT]

Too much LE activity.

The spa just down the road from me was just busted.

I guess it's time to stick with known gals only -- only those chicks you have seen in the past.

Have you checked the MCSO mugshot page today. A very popular gal was just busted. As well as a couple dudes whom appear to have been running the place.

Scary that LE get millions of dollars to bust consenting adults for petty crime. A crime that is really just two, consenting adults doing their own thing.

I'd prefer that they (LE) spent money on major crime like theft, robbery, murder, illegal aliens, car theft. Shit like that and not victimless crimes between consenting adults.

I know of one very popular provider who has decided to move out of state because of all these crackdowns.I can't see them lasting forever as when LE places an emphasis on one thing something else usually goes un-enforced. So a shift in crime occurs.

[DavePHX]

From a confidential source.

Dave, there are more operations on the way. There have been meetings this week regarding upcoming stings next month and on heading into the Super Bowl.

[DavePHX]

Does someone call 911 and say, "Help, I've been prostituted"?

Prostitution should not be a crime.

St. Augustine observed, "Remove prostitutes from human affairs and you will destroy everything with lust." To prove it, our military has cracked down on prostitution and we have seen a disturbing increase in sexual assaults.

Back home, there are Puritans around here who insist on meddling in the moral arrangements of others, and they enthusiastically use prison to house these people like real criminals.

Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. To be a crime, there has to be a victim. So, in the case of prostitution or solicitation, who is the victim? Does someone call 911 and say, "Help, I've been prostituted"? No, instead the cops pretend to be a sex worker or potential customer and trap someone. Is this really something taxpayers want to pay for?

Prostitution is the voluntary sale (or rental) of a labor service. Individuals own their own bodies and their labor and have the absolute right to decide how those labor services should be used. As long as the prostitution transaction is voluntary, there is no justification for governmental interference.

If municipalities wanted to assure a safe, clean experience, perhaps a public health agency could certify individuals for that purpose. From what I've read about the fees and bureaucratic red tape involved in the "licensing," that doesn't seem to be the goal. The result is likely to be that this activity will be driven further underground, where it may become less safe rather than more safe. Who wants that?

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20140425/WDH06/304250175?nclick_check=1

[Hot In Phx]

Too much LE activity.

The spa just down the road from me was just busted.

I guess it's time to stick with known gals only -- only those chicks you have seen in the past.

Have you checked the MCSO mugshot page today. A very popular gal was just busted. As well as a couple dudes whom appear to have been running the place.

Scary that LE get millions of dollars to bust consenting adults for petty crime. A crime that is really just two, consenting adults doing their own thing.

I'd prefer that they (LE) spent money on major crime like theft, robbery, murder, illegal aliens, car theft. Shit like that and not victimless crimes between consenting adults.

I know of one very popular provider who has decided to move out of state because of all these crackdowns.I can't see them lasting forever as when LE places an emphasis on one thing something else usually goes un-enforced. So a shift in crime occurs.I fully agree. Raiding MPs, setting up stings, arresting escorts and brothel owners is ridiculous. Two consenting adults engaging in sexual activity is none of anyone's business.

You know what's funny? On crimes like robbery, car theft, and home burglary, very seldom is anything done by the cops. LE is called out after it happens, and they just write a report. That's it. You don't hear too much about someone being arrested for breaking into someone's house or stealing someone's car, but a dancer or masseuse offering FS? LE is quick on the arrests! Doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

[DavePHX]

Prostitutes are Brainwashed Victims. View Gaining Support.

More teaching that all prostitution is violence against women.

Prostitution is the worlds oldest oppression. Not profession.

Similar to the Phoenix model of a victim industry. Project Rose etc.

At least in Canada there is organized opposition, unlike in Phoenix.

In Canada prostitution (at least outcall) has always been legal but that may change if the conservative Harper administration and victim industry has its way.

4/27/14 - OTTAWA — The federal government is poised to introduce legislation in the coming weeks that will overhaul Canada's prostitution laws — possibly targeting the johns as criminals while leaving the prostitutes themselves free from criminal prosecution.

"We know that there is tremendous violence and vulnerability associated with prostitution. "Prostitutes are predominantly victims. They have very much, in some cases, run out of options before entering this particular pursuit.".

Another MP wrote a report The Tipping Point, that argues Canada must make the elimination of prostitution its goal through future legislation, and that a form of the Nordic model is the best solution.

"The most effective route to tackling prostitution and sex trafficking is to address the demand for commercial sex by targeting the buyers of sex," she writes.

In addition to punishing those who buy sex, any new regime must also include "exit" programs to give prostitutes the things they need to get out of the sex trade: food, shelter, drug rehabilitation, counseling and education.

Moreover, she is calling for a national education program to make Canadians realize that prostitution is a form of violence against women.

"Our country has to recognize that this is Canada's oldest oppression — not profession," she said in an interview with the Citizen.

"It's nothing but violence against women. Plain and simple. No matter how you paint it. We have to target the johns, the traffickers, the people who buy sex and go after trying to make money off of innocent victims.".

Xxxx said more than 90 percent of prostitutes are "lured" into the sex trade and become victims who are "held captive by beatings" and "have no place to go.".

"They develop these Stockholm Syndromes, where they get attached to their perpetrator. They get almost like they are brainwashed. There's no way out. They get despondent. And it's very dangerous for them.".

At its policy convention in Calgary last November, the Conservative party adopted a resolution stating it "shall develop a Canada-specific plan to target the purchasers of sex and human trafficking markets through criminalizing the purchase of sex as well as any third party attempting to profit from the purchase of sex.".

But others, including some prostitutes and academics, are warning against the Nordic model, saying it will merely force the sex trade underground and leave prostitutes in greater danger of being harmed.

Christine xxxxxxxx, a former prostitute who is now a criminology professor at the University of Ottawa, said those advocating the Nordic model are adopting a paternalistic attitude.

"It's about taking an ideological stand: Sex work is wrong, women are victims. It's about people saying if you are a sex worker, and you say you want to be a sex worker, you must be either deluded or mentally ill or not even know that you're making a bad choice.".

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/news/national/federal+prostitution+coming+soon /9781043/ story. Html? Rel=825269.

[ShellyJones001]

Does someone call 911 and say, "Help, I've been prostituted"?

Prostitution should not be a crime.

St. Augustine observed, "Remove prostitutes from human affairs and you will destroy everything with lust." To prove it, our military has cracked down on prostitution and we have seen a disturbing increase in sexual assaults.

Back home, there are Puritans around here who insist on meddling in the moral arrangements of others, and they enthusiastically use prison to house these people like real criminals.

Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. To be a crime, there has to be a victim. So, in the case of prostitution or solicitation, who is the victim? Does someone call 911 and say, "Help, I've been prostituted"? No, instead the cops pretend to be a sex worker or potential customer and trap someone. Is this really something taxpayers want to pay for?

Prostitution is the voluntary sale (or rental) of a labor service. Individuals own their own bodies and their labor and have the absolute right to decide how those labor services should be used. As long as the prostitution transaction is voluntary, there is no justification for governmental interference.

If municipalities wanted to assure a safe, clean experience, perhaps a public health agency could certify individuals for that purpose. From what I've read about the fees and bureaucratic red tape involved in the "licensing," that doesn't seem to be the goal. The result is likely to be that this activity will be driven further underground, where it may become less safe rather than more safe. Who wants that?

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20140425/WDH06/304250175?nclick_check=1I am an advocate for sexwork. I know that it offers an outlet for men to utilize rather than to commit sex crimes.

I do not understand the agenda behind this witch hunt LE and this Human Sex Trafficking Campaign.

I would like to think it is out of sheer ignorance. I fear it may not be out of ignorance, and could actually serve a dark purpose. What that is, I don't know.

I have always heard people say that prostitution is illegal because "they can't tax it". This has always struck me as nonsense. I believe the real reason behind their legislation could have something to do with the connectedness and wisdom many sex workers gain through choosing this career. After doing this for awhile, the.

Realization sets in that people are very similar in many ways. It helps one see our SIMILARITIES rather than our DIFFERENCES. This deep understanding of human.

Behavior and the basic need for acceptance and love is needed much more in our world today.

I feel that men have it hard in our world today. There is much that is unspoken, and many people have been victimized as children. Unfortunately, in our culture.

Because of strict gender roles, men very seldom have an outlet to heal and process the feelings and current behaviors attributed to past victimizations. I know this is.

A subject many people do not want to address or take a look at, and many people will continue to sweep it under the rug. But the simple truth remains- INTIMACY.

CANNOT BE LEGISLATED OR FORCED. I know in my heart that this ignorant witch hunt is going to do much more harm than good in the grand scheme of everything.

No solution can ever come from damning someone. The only way real change can happen is through acceptance and understanding. Change can only occur from.

Within. Understanding can only happen after one accepts what is happening and looks at possible reasons why. Sexwork creates a balance in many ways in our.

Society. I believe many people use sexworkers' services to fill a need, to cope, or to create balance in their life. When you start tinkering with a precarious stack at.

Its foundation, it is important to understand all or many of the aspects involved, so you can predict a desired outcome.

I don't know a lot, but I do know what my own experiences have shown me. What I have learned is that everything is understandable. If I can look at things from the.

Perspective of my subject, and be open minded enough to look at things objectively, we are not that different from one and other. We are all one. I am no victim. In fact, it is quite the contrary. I have conquered.

Okay I will get off my soapbox now. I could speak volumes on this topic. Hopefully someone understands.

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[DavePHX]

I am an advocate for sexwork.
Okay I will get off my soapbox now. I could speak volumes on this topic. Hopefully someone understands.
Yep, I understand since I have more of an "intimacy" fetish than just raw sex!

[NDave]

Back when Desert Divas and associated sites were busted, a very famous review site that was located in and run out of Tempe that was thought to be working for or at least cooperating with LE!

I am here to confirm that that famous erotic review site is indeed posting phony reviews for LE decoys. My recent interactions with them lead me to only one conclusion: They are indeed working with LE.

Do not trust their reviews. Stop working with that other site.

[NDave]

Allow me to clarify, in approximately 2008 when the Desert Divas and all were bused, their accounting list with all the names of their clients was published by the Maricopa prosecuting attorney's office. It was a huge file that was so big it was published in two parts and each PDF file was more than 50 MB's. It was huge and it took forever even with cable to download the lists of patrons. Every client was made public!

Concurrently, the word here and everywhere was that a major review site was under investigation but they survived it scot free. How did they do that? We think that review site shared their entire membership file with the join task force. And the owner did that because he was residing in Tempe and was totally vulnerable at that time.

Thereafter, the owner and his wife absconded to Mexico where they have since resided and run their review web site from Mexico--well outside of the jurisdiction (s) of any other members of the multi-jurisdictional task force including the FBI.

So, read the reviews with a grain of salt. Not only are many inaccurate but there are many reviews placed there by LE and they are seriously hunting. Is that review site cooperating with LE? It would seem so!

Welcome to the Police State.

[Jonesy47]

I've been seen leesa's ads for awhile now and left some texts and called but never got a response.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/incall-special-60-great-time-guaranteed-38/22865621

So I send a text again and got a quick response to say she was available. Few more texts to get to her incall.
Get there and she is wearing a nighty she has in her post. Boy those tits were massive and looked good. Not to much of a droop, I was looking forward to playing with them. I opted for her special, before we start she informed me it's O only. I was looking for a quick FS. I have some of the best times catching that deal. I said really, she seemed surprised and said you and going to find a better deal. I said I've have before and continue too. But not wanting to shell more. I said I'll pass and made way out the door.
I had been missing with my ATF for awhile so got ahold of her and was so excited to see her and her skills I dreamt I was premature during BBBJ and missed out on FS. Ha

[Reallly Bored]

Back when Desert Divas and associated sites were busted, a very famous review site that was located in and run out of Tempe that was thought to be working for or at least cooperating with LE!

I am here to confirm that that famous erotic review site is indeed posting phony reviews for LE decoys. My recent interactions with them lead me to only one conclusion: They are indeed working with LE.

Do not trust their reviews. Stop working with that other site.I believe the brass are on this site as well. I won't post any more findings, as I wouldn't want to cause any providers additional problems. I'm either moving to mexico or clark county.

[Hot In Phx]

http://www.kpho.com/story/25342382/pd-az-father-son-arrested-for-running-prostitution-ring

Doesn't it seem odd that a place like this is busted for alleged prostitution, but places like SWA stayed open for years and basically had the same kind of business under the guise of "modeling agency"?

[NDave]

STOP posting reviews on that other famous review site. They are DEFINITELY working with LE and have been very proactive in the big stings this spring.

That previously web site once located in and ran out of Tempe has been sharing member info with the FBI and has been posting false reviews for LE decoys utilized in the recent stings. Expect this to continue!

The stings will continue as money pours into the Valley for law enforcement activities including leading up to the Super Bowl. Homeland Security is involved as are the multi-jurisdictional task force. We live in a Police State.

It's going to be a long tough year.

[DavePHX]

ACLU Looking Into Phoenix's "Project ROSE" Prostitution Busts.

May 7 2014 - Phoenix New Times- Highlights.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona is looking into the program known as "Project ROSE," which involves sending suspected prostitutes to a church-based diversion program as an option to avoid jail.

The ACLU has filed records requests seeking a wealth of information on the program, which is a collaboration between the Phoenix Police Department and Arizona State University's School of Social Work.

According to a report from Al-Jazeera last year, Phoenix PD sets up prostitution stings twice a year, in which suspected prostitutes are detained and offered a chance to avoid jail, with a trip to Bethany Bible Church in Phoenix.

Not only is there an apparent problem with organizing busts to send people to a church-backed charity program, but a local group, the Sex Workers Outreach Project of Phoenix, has protested the program because they don't want to be "rescued" from anything.

Sex workers are out there to make money, not as "victims," according to the Sex Workers Outreach Project.

Now, the ACLU has submitted records requests for all kinds of information about the program, including funding information, all kinds of documents about training and background of Project ROSE, and documentation of the police sting operations.

For more information currently available about the workings of the program, check out VICE's story, "Project ROSE is arresting sex workers in Arizona to save their souls.".

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/05/aclu_looking_into_phoenixs_pro.php

I have posted a long response (about 47th).

[NDave]

Somebody ought to get info on the projects founder and post her pathology.

That Doc definitely has issues, serious personal and professional issues.

[DavePHX]

Heads up! Project ROSE Police stings and raids.

Project ROSE is happening tomorrow May 15 and Friday May 16. Thursday 6:00 am until 6:00 PM and Friday from noon until 6:00 PM.

Swop Phoenix will be doing street and Internet outreach all day today. Please contact whoever you can so we can keep our community members safe!

Swop is planning a protest tomorrow at 11:00 AM at the project rose site (Bethany Bible Church).

If rounded up your choice will be to be a pretend victim and attend a long program on the evils of sexwork, or go to jail.

Our tax dollars at work going mostly after in private consenting adults, as well some street hookers (who seem to be very rare now).

This is separate from the other multijurisdictional task forces actions with FBI that are ongoing until the Super Bowl to stamp out all commercial sex in Phoenix. Somehow to make it safer for Super Bowl visitors. Since consenting adults are so dangerous.

Sexworkers needs rights (via a constitutional challenge) not rescue.

[DavePHX]

Club Lace SWAT Bust this morning.

May 14th SWAT raid at 8 AM at Club Lace. Officers had to break through a barred entrance to Club Lace at 28th and Weldon avenues before arresting one of the employees. The two other arrests were made at a residence in the area of 40th Street and Deer Valley Road and in the area of Beardsley Road and Seventh Street.

Dave notes probably there will be more felony arrests for association with a criminal enterprise from any records that can be found at the club.

Police started investigating the club after receiving a complaint from someone who had gone there believing that it was a gentlemen's club and discovered it was a house of prostitution. The man who thought he was going into a normal gentleman's club, but was surprised when he was asked to provide his photo I'd and disrobe.

Read more: PD: Phoenix gentleman's club busted for prostitution. FOX 10 News.

myfoxphoenix.com http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25515464/2014/05/14/pd-phoenix-gentlemans-club-busted-for-prostitution#ixzz31 jKaPPFE.

Follow us: at myfoxphoenix on Twitter.

Myfoxphoenix on Facebook.

Those dangerous women needed military like SWAT raid. Story and pictures of SWAT at http://www.azfamily.com/news/Complaint-leads-to-prostitution-bust-at-Phoenix-club-259241141.html.

Reports also at http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25515464/2014/05/14/pd-phoenix-gentlemans-club-busted-for-prostitution.

And http://www.kpho.com/story/25515549/pd-club-lace-suspected-as-house-of-prostitution.

This club has long been known as a upsell costly place.

http://clublacephoenix.com/CLUB%20LACE.HTM

[DavePHX]

Petitioning National Association of Social Workers (NASW) and Council on Social Work Education (CSWE) End Project Rose Petition.

Petition by.

Social Workers United for Justice.

Oakland, CA.

http://www.change.org/petitions/social-workers-united-to-end-project-rose

Also note the many comments.

Note this is for all workers but Monica Jones case has had huge global social media support even though the case she was convicted on had nothing whatsoever to do with profiling.

[Horndoggin]

STOP posting reviews on that other famous review site. They are DEFINITELY working with LE and have been very proactive in the big stings this spring.

That previously web site once located in and ran out of Tempe has been sharing member info with the FBI and has been posting false reviews for LE decoys utilized in the recent stings. Expect this to continue!

The stings will continue as money pours into the Valley for law enforcement activities including leading up to the Super Bowl. Homeland Security is involved as are the multi-jurisdictional task force. We live in a Police State.

It's going to be a long tough year.Have not been able to decipher, there are several. Hints?

[TennisPlyr]

Visiting provider has an incall that has a secured gate. Visitors are to call the front desk, tell them what unit they are visiting in order to be buzzed in. After beig buzzed in, she wants the guy to park in the visitor parking and await further instructions. Is this process safe for the client?

[AzskyDiver]

Visiting provider has an incall that has a secured gate. Visitors are to call the front desk, tell them what unit they are visiting in order to be buzzed in. After beig buzzed in, she wants the guy to park in the visitor parking and await further instructions. Is this process safe for the client?Would I do it? HELL NO!

[Hot In Phx]

Club Lace SWAT Bust this morning.

May 14th SWAT raid at 8 AM at Club Lace. Officers had to break through a barred entrance to Club Lace at 28th and Weldon avenues before arresting one of the employees. The two other arrests were made at a residence in the area of 40th Street and Deer Valley Road and in the area of Beardsley Road and Seventh Street.

Dave notes probably there will be more felony arrests for association with a criminal enterprise from any records that can be found at the club.

Police started investigating the club after receiving a complaint from someone who had gone there believing that it was a gentlemen's club and discovered it was a house of prostitution. The man who thought he was going into a normal gentleman's club, but was surprised when he was asked to provide his photo I'd and disrobe.

Read more: PD: Phoenix gentleman's club busted for prostitution. FOX 10 News.

myfoxphoenix.com http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25515464/2014/05/14/pd-phoenix-gentlemans-club-busted-for-prostitution#ixzz31 jKaPPFE.

Follow us: at myfoxphoenix on Twitter.

Myfoxphoenix on Facebook.

Those dangerous women needed military like SWAT raid. Story and pictures of SWAT at http://www.azfamily.com/news/Complaint-leads-to-prostitution-bust-at-Phoenix-club-259241141.html.

Reports also at http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25515464/2014/05/14/pd-phoenix-gentlemans-club-busted-for-prostitution.

And http://www.kpho.com/story/25515549/pd-club-lace-suspected-as-house-of-prostitution.

This club has long been known as a upsell costly place.

http://clublacephoenix.com/CLUB%20LACE.HTMSo if this place has been in operation for a long time, why are the cops just now busting it? In the last year or so, other similar places have been raided and put out of business too. Why now instead of years earlier?

It's obvious to me we're becoming even more of a police state. I suppose the cops can't arrest the real criminals quick enough, like murderers, rapists, burglars, or arsonists, so they have to bust consenting adults and private businesses who aren't hurting anyone in order to meet their fucking quota.

[DavePHX]

So if this place has been in operation for a long time, why are the cops just now busting it? In the last year or so, other similar places have been raided and put out of business too. Why now instead of years earlier?

It's obvious to me we're becoming even more of a police state. I suppose the cops can't arrest the real criminals quick enough, like murderers, rapists, burglars, or arsonists, so they have to bust consenting adults and private businesses who aren't hurting anyone in order to meet their fucking quota.Major stings often last six months but this one seems really long. Often they were for months monitor the parking lot, record license numbers and patterns of activity. They can look for customers this way but usually just getting probably cause against workers they can charge with felony association of a criminal enterprise without any direct evidence against the worker that THEY did anything wrong. In the Temple case of the 37 indicted only a few had any evidence of may be happy endings as part of spiritual healings. Just customers have a 1-year statute of limitations but felonies have I believe 6 years to indict based on evidence from the raid combined with earlier surveillance.

Lots of massage cases now in the Courts both for criminal enterprise felonies and just simple prostitution. Plus the Studio etc.

Yes, huge waste of resources going after alleged crimes with no victims, but that seems to be a high priority in Phoneix and other cities due to the push by conservative groups with massive funding support.

[Stomp2]

Any one take or have taken ArginMax? What kind of results have you gotten if any? I have decided to give it a try as lately have not been about to keep it up as long as I used too. After 20 minutes it starts losing air! Also seems at times it takes longer and a challenge to climax!

[NDave]

Any one take or have taken ArginMax? What kind of results have you gotten if any? I have decided to give it a try as lately have not been about to keep it up as long as I used too. After 20 minutes it starts losing air! Also seems at times it takes longer and a challenge to climax!Nope but I get real T via Androgel.

And NEO40 taken for heart heath has effects upon sex organs as well.

Between the two of them I can get in real trouble.

Let me know if I can help.

[DavePHX]

project rose may 2014 results: 75 probably mostly "sham victims," 3 ****d and 1 alleged pimp.

total now about 400 probably 350+ pretend victims or kicked out to face jail, if don't play the victim game.

those that "voluntarily" inter the dignity program of re-education on the horrors of prostitution. run by catholic charities. do so to avoid jail and prostitution charges (make believe victims).

phoenix (cbs5) - may 19,2014.

phoenix police arrested 75 people and rescued three juveniles in a sex trafficking crackdown dubbed project rose.

the operation took place last thursday and friday.

many of those arrested on prostitution charges voluntarily entered diversion programs, which was the intent of the crackdown.

in one case, a pimp from california traveled to phoenix with two women with the intent to prostitute them, officers said.

they befriended a 15-year-old juvenile who they intended to work as a prostitute, police said.

dave notes, with le short on money to go after real crimes with real victims, not to mention all child sexual abuse cases cps can't handle, there seems to be no end of wasting le resources and funding to find mostly pretend victims.

dave notes, i am now in mississauga (toronto area), enjoying the adult freedoms we lack in the usa active and posting on the very large canadian board (not ter).

[Anotheronedown]

Where do you go for your androgel.


Nope but I get real T via Androgel.

And NEO40 taken for heart heath has effects upon sex organs as well.

Between the two of them I can get in real trouble.

Let me know if I can help.

[NDave]

Where do you go for your androgel.NEO40 can be gotten from Amazon.

Androgel must be prescribed.

[Stomp2]

Nope but I get real T via Androgel.

And NEO40 taken for heart heath has effects upon sex organs as well.

Between the two of them I can get in real trouble.

Let me know if I can help.Thanks for the info.

[Tooncinator]

Thanks for the info.For what it's worth, a cheaper nitric oxide enhancer from Amazon is (cut 'and paste) "3 BOTTLES Noxide - 90 Capsules each Complex Nitric Oxide Creatine Ethyl-Ester L- Arginine L-Carnitine L-Taurine".

It's aimed at bodybuilders, but it's the L-Arginine that I was looking for. $32 for 3 bottles.

Cheers,

Toons.

[Stomp2]

For what it's worth, a cheaper nitric oxide enhancer from Amazon is (cut 'and paste) "3 BOTTLES Noxide - 90 Capsules each Complex Nitric Oxide Creatine Ethyl-Ester L- Arginine L-Carnitine L-Taurine".

It's aimed at bodybuilders, but it's the L-Arginine that I was looking for. $32 for 3 bottles.

Cheers,

Toons.Thanks for all the suggestions I have received here and PM. I an going to give ArginMax a try and if it does not rise to be occasion I will try out your suggestions.

[RonSwanson]

I travel around the country for work and at times have to sample the local flavor. My last extended trip about a year and a half ago included 2 great visits to AMP's and an incall with lovely provider. It almost included a trip to a Studio by the Airport (I think?) but time ran out.

Now I started to plan my adventures and it looks like the city's adult fun is under attack. So what's the deal? Are the any discussion sites that are reliable? Any info would be appreciated.

[Stomp2]

Thanks for all the suggestions I have received here and PM. I an going to give ArginMax a try and if it does not rise to be occasion I will try out your suggestions.Been taking ArginMax for several days now and think I might be getting some positive results! Been waking up with a woody the past couple of nights and I can't seem to remember the last time that has happen to me! Have not used it yet as I am want to give it a little time in my system. I am planning an encounter with a provider soon and I will will post results after.

[Stomp2]

I travel around the country for work and at times have to sample the local flavor. My last extended trip about a year and a half ago included 2 great visits to AMP's and an incall with lovely provider. It almost included a trip to a Studio by the Airport (I think?) but time ran out.

Now I started to plan my adventures and it looks like the city's adult fun is under attack. So what's the deal? Are the any discussion sites that are reliable? Any info would be appreciated.Yes, Phoenix is under fire right now. A lot has to do with the Super Bowl coming to town in 2015. The studio got busted last year and numerous stings have taken place. Everyone is being extra cautious these days.

[Diksargent]

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/petite-young-blonde-twins-eager-to-please-with-plenty-of-naughty-skills-available-247-20/28162127

Why the heck these two listed like this?! Someone please explain to me, is it too obvious?

[Stomp2]

How do you guys feel when a provider asks you to pick something up for them before you have ever met them? Like when they ask you to pick up cigarettes or protection. Had an appointment with a provider the other night and just before our meeting she texts me to pick up some cigarettes and a lighter for her. I said no because I did not want to as I never met this provider and would not do that for someone I do not know. Also I heard that LEO will use this against you if you get busted.

[Danimal Forth]

Do anybody have any stories about escorts or strippers who become obsessed with a client or fall in love or whatever? Maybe they start sending gifts or stalking or they go crazy when the client tries to cut off contact? I know there are a lot of drugged up girls out there so I'm not talking about being messed up that way. Feel free to PM.

[YoniLicker]

It depends, if they are in a hotel, motel I will stop on the way, in their own apartment / house I decline. Plus. I learned the hard way not to pick up food-it seems as if the time eating encroaches on my time. Cigarettes, no go-I won't contribute to any ones addiction. Uuuuum, well maybe caffeine. .

Deprived.

How do you guys feel when a provider asks you to pick something up for them before you have ever met them? Like when they ask you to pick up cigarettes or protection. Had an appointment with a provider the other night and just before our meeting she texts me to pick up some cigarettes and a lighter for her. I said no because I did not want to as I never met this provider and would not do that for someone I do not know. Also I heard that LEO will use this against you if you get busted.

[LuvGun]

How do you guys feel when a provider asks you to pick something up for them before you have ever met them? Like when they ask you to pick up cigarettes or protection. Had an appointment with a provider the other night and just before our meeting she texts me to pick up some cigarettes and a lighter for her. I said no because I did not want to as I never met this provider and would not do that for someone I do not know. Also I heard that LEO will use this against you if you get busted.The reason providers do this is for their safety. When you stop at the requested convenience store that she specifys you go to it is because there will be a record of your time there on the video camera. That way if a client tries to rape her she has evidence. Providers who do this have had bad experiences before and this is how they deal with it.

[Member #4572]

The reason providers do this is for their safety. When you stop at the requested convenience store that she specifys you go to it is because there will be a record of your time there on the video camera. That way if a client tries to rape her she has evidence. Providers who do this have had bad experiences before and this is how they deal with it.At any given time, customers especially at service stations buy cigs. Meaning that the isolation of one particular 'john' is highly improbable. Moreover; you can go to any number of places that sell any particular item that might be 'requested'. So I'm a provider and I just got roughed up or raped. Unless it was exceptionally violent, that provider who is breaking the law as well, will call the police to explain why she's there and a description of the offender, oh and by the way, I had him stop and pick up condoms, cigs, etc. So LEO, can you check all the stores video surveillance within a two mile radius and catch this asshole? The most probable truth is that providers, as well as most of us, are opportunists. If they can get something for nothing, they will. Plus some of them don't have cars. They rely on taxis and since your already out and about, why not ask you / us for shit?! I do like your possible insight, but I got to call shenanigans.

On a side note, if you do go into a 'store' and purchase something out of the kindness of your heart, one possible solution to avoid detection would be to wear a ski mask. Yeah? Problem solved. .

[LuvingFully]

When Doggie Style is no longer satisfying, try this. 325552.

[Hippiesicle]

So I've been to some sketchball places and I'm certain I've been to every motel along the 17, except for this one. An old favorite of mine connected with me and said she will be there for a few days. I'm just not certain I want to risk it. I'm not sure I've heard many stories but I know there's usually a lot of heat at this place. Anyone been there recently? Good? Bad? Worth it at all?

[NorthScotts2]

Every time I drive by that stupid hotel the gut wrenching feeling of being ripped off by my date and then asked to leave comes back like it was yesterday. Your experience may be better since you have a past with this person but just don't have anything of value in your car. Also, this place always has some very untrustworthy looking people running around at all hours of the day or night. Also, if your friend is acting different than before, maybe something is off, be extra cautious. My guess is this is where more of the down and out type of girls end up. But that's just my observation and one experience. Let us know how it goes, I'm sure it will all work out.


So I've been to some sketchball places and I'm certain I've been to every motel along the 17, except for this one. An old favorite of mine connected with me and said she will be there for a few days. I'm just not certain I want to risk it. I'm not sure I've heard many stories but I know there's usually a lot of heat at this place. Anyone been there recently? Good? Bad? Worth it at all?

[Hippiesicle]

I get that feeling too when I drive by there, and I've never been. I dunno it's been a couple years since I've seen her and I've been think a lot about her lately, I just get the creeps thinking about that place. I've seen her at some pretty shady spots on McDowell, but again, I've always thought of this place as the worst spot in town.


Every time I drive by that stupid hotel the gut wrenching feeling of being ripped off by my date and then asked to leave comes back like it was yesterday. Your experience may be better since you have a past with this person but just don't have anything of value in your car. Also, this place always has some very untrustworthy looking people running around at all hours of the day or night. Also, if your friend is acting different than before, maybe something is off, be extra cautious. My guess is this is where more of the down and out type of girls end up. But that's just my observation and one experience. Let us know how it goes, I'm sure it will all work out.

[YoniLicker]

http://foxct.com/2014/06/25/fbi-shuts-website-allegedly-linked-to-child-prostitution/#ixzz35 gAV8 dEp.

Deprived.

[NightT]

http://foxct.com/2014/06/25/fbi-shuts-website-allegedly-linked-to-child-prostitution/#ixzz35 gAV8 dEp.
Deprived.I wonder if this is going to be a trend for the FBI. Shutting down websites.

Most sites, it seems, with anyone with any kind of intelligence running them, are hosted way out of country.

There has got to be more to this story. In fact, I wouldn't doubt if the FBI runs a couple poon sites itself in order to keep a finger on the pulse on the industry.

Seems like something they would do.

[NightT]

So I've been to some sketchball places and I'm certain I've been to every motel along the 17, except for this one. An old favorite of mine connected with me and said she will be there for a few days. I'm just not certain I want to risk it. I'm not sure I've heard many stories but I know there's usually a lot of heat at this place. Anyone been there recently? Good? Bad? Worth it at all?
If you get the heebie-jeebies about going to a specific hotel or seeing a specific lady that is your conscious looking out for you.

Listening to you intuition is a good thing and it will save your ass.

I've been to nearly every motel on I-17 also.

There are some really nasty shitholes out there but it seems that for the most part getting a quick piece of ass at one of these places is still relatively safe.

[NightT]

At any given time, customers especially at service stations buy cigs. Meaning that the isolation of one particular 'john' is highly improbable. Moreover; you can go to any number of places that sell any particular item that might be 'requested'. So I'm a provider and I just got roughed up or raped. Unless it was exceptionally violent, that provider who is breaking the law as well, will call the police to explain why she's there and a description of the offender, oh and by the way, I had him stop and pick up condoms, cigs, etc. So LEO, can you check all the stores video surveillance within a two mile radius and catch this asshole? The most probable truth is that providers, as well as most of us, are opportunists. If they can get something for nothing, they will. Plus some of them don't have cars. They rely on taxis and since your already out and about, why not ask you / us for shit?! I do like your possible insight, but I got to call shenanigans.

On a side note, if you do go into a 'store' and purchase something out of the kindness of your heart, one possible solution to avoid detection would be to wear a ski mask. Yeah? Problem solved. .Ski mask.

LOL.

The only thing I would ever buy for a provider is condoms. And for my use only. I'm not going to fund the next guys fuck using condoms I have bought.

If she asks for a pack of Newports I am moving on to the next gal.

[DavePHX]

I wonder if this is going to be a trend for the FBI. Shutting down websites.
Most sites, it seems, with anyone with any kind of intelligence running them, are hosted way out of country.
1) The owners and anyone associated faces serious felony and years in prison. When escorts.com taken over they got a plea deal to pay over $5 million in fines and forfeitures but by a plea avoided 25 years in prison if went to trial and lost.

Some of the Phoenix Temple gals face up to 70 years in prison even though no evidence they individually broke any law other than "association with a criminal enterprise".

When an escort has a driver or phone asst or 2 gals work together = criminal enterprise a serious felony in most all states and many now in Maricopa Superior Court. Temple case over 3 years old.

2) Out of the country is not protection. We have criminal treaties with most countries. And all they need is a control person in the USA, like a moderator to charge. Being hosted outside of USA Is minor problem for FBI in my non-lawyer view.

[DavePHX]

Redbook.

I have the indictment Dated 6/24/2014.

The indictment was filed underseal, but I have it legally, but don't want to give too much detail.

Nothing whatsoever to do with under aged.

Owner and maybe a well known Phoenix escort named. However, we are not 100% sure the name is the Phoenix well known escort. Maybe just same escort name. Trying to match real name to be sure.

Mann Act.

Plus 24 counts of money laundering with details of 24 money transfers each just under $100,000.

Forfeiture of about $5. 2 million of identified assets mostly cash in various banks and credit unions.

From following Phoenix State cases, often there will be superseding indictments to come from all the records collected at the original place of arrest or where ever search warrants have been issued. This might add many more defendants or more counts to original.

[DavePHX]

Re: Redbook Indictment.

Correction NOT the Mann Act but.

Interstate Travel in Aid of Racketeering Enterprise ("The Travel Act" similar to Mann Act but not the same).

The Mann Act was first passed in 1910 and was "The White-Slave Traffic Act" It is named for Congressman James Robert Mann.

Originally it was limited to the "transport" of any women or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery or immoral purpose. Since immoral was vague, that was changed to prostitution or illegal sexual acts and include males. Historically it has been used to combat forced prostitution especially children.

In 1952, The Travel Act was passed similar to the Mann Act but does not require compelled prostitution and adds to "carry on" so not limited to a person that arranges travel but to the prostitute herself or a website owner to "carry on" business. It also includes the use of the telephone or the Internet to carry on the prostitution business.

I wrote about it on the Phoenix Private List in 2007 and 2009 when there were cases based on it. However, I have not seen any cases more recent cases.

[Shaved Cock]

From time to time I would go to www.eros-phoenix.com with no problem. Several days ago, however, I noticed it goes to some sort of parket search page. www.eros-arizona.com now works. I wonder if they are rebranding their URL's or somehow related to the redbook stuff?

[Member #4572]

Not sure if this was mentioned on this board recently or not. This was mentioned a couple weeks back (on the Tucson board) with the consensus to essentially ignore the text from Exposing Johns. I would agree with that advise if you don't think that you'll be interviewing for a job ever again, not married or think you'll never meet another girl ever again. Sound dramatic? Well if this site posts your CURRENT number and it's associated with your Facebook profile (if you have one), when ANYONE googles your number, this site WILL come up. Naturally we SHOULD be using burner phones with a false name and address, not associated with any personal shit would nullify the potential threat. This page summarizes the scam nicely. DO NOT get on the Exposing Johns web site and put your number in. It might store it. Instead, just google your number, if nothing comes up, then you won't be on that site. The moral of this story is, GET A BURNER! Stay safe fellas. http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/exposingjohnscom/internet/exposingjohnscom-Exposing-Johns-extortion-international-scam-India-Internet-1141366.

[DavePHX]

Cellphone Ruling is of little significance.

While it may result in tossing some existing cases, police are easily changing their procedures to follow the ruling from now on.

Often search warrants can be obtained in a few hours during business hours a bit longer to find a judge in the middle of the night.

LE might give an arrested escort a choice, a ticket if you give consent to search your cell phone or go to jail, hold up to 72 hours without charges and get a search warrant. So the choice may be handcuffed and booked vs. A ticket. As personal property on the person or in possession they can take the phone the issue is just if they search it immediately or have to wait until they get a search warrant. But can jail the escort in the meantime.

However, typically what is on your phone is irrelevant to an arrest itself but may hold further evidence and used by LE to pretend to be the escort and entrap others.

There seems to be no time limit on how long they can hold your phone, they just can not look at the contents until they get a search warrant.

The Springfield Police noted that the court's ruling doesn't affect law enforcement's ability to seize the phone while they pursue a warrant to search it. - Springfield News-Leader 6/26/2014.

After a search warrant is obtained it seems LE may use the phone to try and sting or use as evidence against others, provide false references etc. , with a female officer pretending to be the sexworker people think they are talking to.

There is strong evidence this has been done in Phoenix and that P411 may have been infiltrated this way. P411 seems more interested in accusing people of spreading rumors and lies than investigating when there is strong evidence LE is posing on P411 taking over an escorts identity. TER and BP seems more directly allowing LE vs P411 that pretends to offer some safety but seems to be working against it.

The Denver post 6/25/14: A big fear is whether people will be able to remotely erase a cell phone's memory while police wait to get a warrant. The court instructed police to place the phones in bags that can block signals while they await warrants. There is a concerned about the reliability and effectiveness of the bags on the market and the question asked "Can someone remotely erase the phone and, therefore, erase potential evidence?

They can obtain similar information by using their own cellphone-tracking technology or by obtaining data from cellular-service providers. Through tracking, law enforcement agencies can determine whether a phone has been in any given area at any given time. Additionally, they can access further information, such as call logs and text messages from the service provider.

[DavePHX]

P411 LE Infiltrations and reactions vs another board that takes them seriously.

Long history of LE use of P411 and uncooperative responses by Gina. Now I have experienced the same with two suspicious P411 listings related to Phoenix in the last few months.

P411 blames any suspicions on lies and false rumors even with strong evidence there may be LE use of P411 escort memberships. Initially every one is verified and obviously no one is under aged or being pimped. However LE seem to also get verified and both escorts and clients have flipped under pressure of arrest to cooperate pressure from LE going after in private consenting adults. Legal and no big deal in almost all the world except the USA.

After my experience after the June 2014 FBI stings and Gina's reaction when I had solid evidence about a P411 account, I did some research and was amazed at the infiltration reports of many and the disgust of many regarding Gina's attitude.

One account from early 2014 even says, "I can no longer deny the responsibility that I have to my sisters to report that I strongly believe that the security of the site can no longer be trusted. I was the biggest proponent of P411 for years, but now sadly, I must say that Gina and I exchanged emails today that can leave me with no other impression than that she is working with cops, maybe even the FBI. " http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/something-in-the-milk/.

The above is a very long article with zillions of comments about P411. One comment I note is from a respected long-time advocate Bella xxxxxxxx who on 1/28/2014 says, "I was thrown off P411 last year because I publicly posted a warning after numerous attempts with Gina to clean up the P411 site and get their security under control. (lots more detail). Gina / P411 is starting to sound like David xxx the original TER owner who exploited and threatened women if they wouldn't give freebies to him and his friends. ".

(at above link in comments).

In a major Spring 2014 bust in Phoenix I warned Gina about a P411 escort was arrested and had her cellphone taken. Another escort in the same police pod saw her! She said its all lies and rumors.

During the FBI June 2014 operation, an escort reported she has been frequently harassed by one caller (Max) who aggressively tries to set up appointments whenever there was an a sting. He could not provide acceptable verification except used a reference of a P411 gal who he says he met on a Friday (during the FBI bust).

The P411 gal was traveling and her schedule showed her in Phoenix that day.

An attempt was made to confirm with the P411 escort that she really did meet with Max as he claimed. In response she avoided the question and asked a direct entrapment question that would indicate that it was LE that at least had control of her P411 account.

Obviously we do not know for sure but Gina got very upset that the P411 escort was assumed to be LE just because she avoided the reference question and asked an entrapment question!

The same report was given to a moderator of a different board who thanked me and immediately suspended the account pending further investigation. The opposite it seems of the P411 attitude.

Years ago I had a great relationship with Gina on LE concerns, but lately she seems more interested in protecting her brand then the safety of women. I had widely recommended P411 for years. I no longer recommend P411. There have been quite a few previously confirmed take over of P411 accounts by LE. The latest in March 2014. However these are only the ones known about as she seems to hide or avoid any suspicions based on solid facts about P411 accounts.

All sites have this risk but some site owners take it more seriously when alerted of evidence of infiltration than Gina seems to with "lies and rumors" or being upset when a P411 escort is assumed to be LE based on the evidence.

Over the years the infiltrations of P411 have been both from customers and escorts that have flipped to give up their logins under LE pressure. P411 seems very well known now in the LE community nationally and could be the next Redbook, although since she is in Canada a bit harder to go after her, so they seem to go after verified folks.

Others have also been raising the alarm for example:

"P411 Infiltrated" http://jennydemilo.com/2013/06/p411-infiltrated/.

P411 specifically targeted by the FBI and Denver police in FBI release.

http://www.fbi.gov/denver/press-releases/2013/federal-and-local-law-enforcement-crack-down-on-prostitution-and-human-trafficking-in-colorado

"No big secret about LE infiltration of P411".

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=163494&boardID=10&page=1

Also the Appleton Wisconsin and Houston infiltrations before 2013 just a few I recall.

More reports:

May 2014 - Mid TN experienced and continues to experience some very unfortunate events and attitudes. It came to my attention upon return that someone had infiltrated p411 with the result being the arrest of several of my contemporaries. Unfortunately, this is an all too often event that occurs in this community. Yet, what concerned me more than the actual events were the attitude / s that prevailed. I was shocked when I read some of the comments and defenses given and seriously question the motives behind. http://mygfekali.com/blog-single.php?id=56.

Has uncle LEO ever infiltrated P411?

Over the years, there have been incidents in Arkansas and Michigan where legitimate clients gave up their entire screening portfolio, which were then used to cause problems for the ladies. P411 is only intended to be used as ONE tool in the verification process, everyone is strongly encouraged to do as much additional research as they feel is necessary to stay safe. http://64.7.135.207/*************/forums/showthread.php?t=31761.

A long rant and angry, defensive response from Gina when back in 2009 someone reports LE on her site: http://badboyreport.kr/2009/12/www-preferred411-com-and-gina-at-p-411-ginapreferred411-com-ginapreferred411-com-please-select-others/.

Gina also seems to have a history of removing anyone from P411 that doesn't March to her tune. Lots of ripoff and complaints but some of these may just be personal at http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Preferred411-P411/internet/Preferred411-P411-Gina-X-Preferred411-P411-deceiving-practice-Denver-Internet-716224.

A national board moderator with a protection attitude warns a board has been infiltrated: (This can happen on any board so not important which one this is).

"6/28/14 - There have been 3 confirmed reports of LE stings on the board in the last 2 weeks. Everyone needs to be operating from a position or stance of safety first. Checking references, Investigating new peoples whom contact you, and not saying things on the phone or in Email that will incriminate you.

"Hookers get busted, and so do Johns. We all know lots of people who have, and if you do this long enough you will have an LE encounter of the worst kind as well. Lots of us know that sometimes girls flip for LE and there are several here on the board who used to be active who have cut deals.

"I have never before now known of ON board stings. There was one in Kirkland where a board handle booked an app and showed up as LE. There have been 2 instances in Portland now where gals have been busted off the board In both those instances LE tried to get ladies to flip, to get out from having charges filed. In 1 account The lady said she observed the LE manipulating many handles on the board and on xxxxxx board as well.

"A provider was busted earlier this week and was offered a deal that they would rip up her ticket if she gave them her Handle to use. She says she took the ticket instead. This is alarming and not necessarily great for what we're trying to do here, but I'm worried others may not be as strong as her.

"Everyone needs to stop acting all loosey goosey with personal security and wise up fast. If You see something suspicious please report it to xxxx@gmail.com. ".

This seems the opposite of Gina and P411 who seems to just want to protect profits and seems unconcerned about safety of her customers.

[DavePHX]

Seems some Phoenix escorts and maybe in other cities are again getting this offer for fake reviews and ads:

Monthly Advertising Package.

We will do all of your advertising and marketing needed every month. We advertise you on the top escorting sites such as Eros and P411 with top placements and ad content provided. A TER Review will be written once a month about you and your business to boost your sales.

[TennisPlyr]

Another article on the redbook post.

http://www.dailydot.com/crime/myredbook-fbi-prostitution-sting/

[NDave]

With all the mixed reports and the extremely negative reports, since Phoenix has become the focus of so much activity, I find it better to move on and change my ways some. Since the crack downs and the preparations for the Super Bowl, I realize that what I want is intimacy. And, while I have made some friends this route, I have also run into many who are angry beyond belief and may be dangerous.

So, I am moving on and cooling out right now seems to be the best option.

While I have tried to help and to share, a lot of that gets cross wised and sent back at me. So, I find it best not to share contact info and all. There have been some great helps and tips here and many close calls. Both in terms of the big one that got away and almost getting caught up in the nets.

Seems like many mixed up immature women who don't know what they want. Some get angered when they are being helped. Some are just plain nice women who are very nice. But there always is that spoiler.

Stay safe you all. I am signing off and out.

Thanks for the help.

However, when I hear the news that BP has been busted or any other big bust, I'll be back lurking catching up on the details.

It seems the news at large, the main stream media that is, law enforcement ALL LIE about their busts and targets. It's sad that law enforcement will not be honest about their real targets.

As our economy continues to deteriorate expect to see a lot more single mothers turning to this to take care of their families.

[YoniLicker]

While one may disagree with my view that congress knowingly created the conditions that led to the crash, the result is many on the margins of survival were pushed farther down with congressional cut backs in aide to states and cut backs in aide to people who cannot afford basic necessities like shelter and food.

Plus, we are in a state that denies help for food and health care to individuals unable to work because of "mental-health" issues.

While I applaud jail time for anyone sells the services of a minor, I have a one finger salute to anyone involved in harassing and extortion by law enforcement of an adult who chooses to trade funds for intimate contact.

I've been researching cell phone encryption software recently and VPN services for voice, texting and eMails.

Deprived.

[JWoo9]

While one may disagree with my view that congress knowingly created the conditions that led to the crash, the result is many on the margins of survival were pushed farther down with congressional cut backs in aide to states and cut backs in aide to people who cannot afford basic necessities like shelter and food.

Plus, we are in a state that denies help for food and health care to individuals unable to work because of "mental-health" issues.

While I applaud jail time for anyone sells the services of a minor, I have a one finger salute to anyone involved in harassing and extortion by law enforcement of an adult who chooses to trade funds for intimate contact.

I've been researching cell phone encryption software recently and VPN services for voice, texting and eMails.

Deprived.Recently saw this crowdfunding:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/protonmail

Looks interesting enough for me to probably back.

[Tooncinator]

Recently saw this crowdfunding:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/protonmail

Looks interesting enough for me to probably back.Quaint, but I'd save my money. Once upon a time (prior to 9-11-2001), a Canadian company called Zero Knowledge Systems had a Very nice commercial, multi-platform anonymity suite that included secure email. It was shutdown less than 2 weeks after 9/11, never to return.

If you want encryption for some reason, get GPG or PGP. Be prepared for disappointment when nobody you know is willing to learn how to use encryption.

If you want anonymity, use TOR, or download TAILS Linux which has TOR and other goodies pre-installed.

Be advised, any interest in privacy means you're up to something! http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/privacy/325273-the-nsa-thinks-you-are-an-extremist-if-you-care-about-privacy.

Regards,

Tooncinator.

[JWoo9]

Quaint, but I'd save my money. Once upon a time (prior to 9-11-2001), a Canadian company called Zero Knowledge Systems had a Very nice commercial, multi-platform anonymity suite that included secure email. It was shutdown less than 2 weeks after 9/11, never to return.

If you want encryption for some reason, get GPG or PGP. Be prepared for disappointment when nobody you know is willing to learn how to use encryption.

If you want anonymity, use TOR, or download TAILS Linux which has TOR and other goodies pre-installed.

Be advised, any interest in privacy means you're up to something! http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/privacy/325273-the-nsa-thinks-you-are-an-extremist-if-you-care-about-privacy.

Regards,

Tooncinator.Not sure if you have your times correct as I can find instances of "Zero Knowledge Systems" as recently as 2006. First is link to the parent company from 2003 which pointed to freedom.net as their consumer website which is the 2nd link as of 2006. So, the 9/11/2001 link to the closure of "Zero Knowledge Systems" seems to be incorrect.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030622063250/http://www.zero-knowledge.com/privacy/default.asp

https://web.archive.org/web/20060113075414/http://www.freedom.net/products/websecure/index.html

[NorthScotts2]

Food for thought. Although TOR is better than nothing, using a good VPN with a policy against keeping logs is probably a better bet. Maybe you can use it in conjunction with TOR but here is an interesting article about TOR including how Gubments set up exit nodes to monitor traffic.

http://www.howtogeek.com/142380/htg-explains-is-tor-really-anonymous-and-secure/


Quaint, but I'd save my money. Once upon a time (prior to 9-11-2001), a Canadian company called Zero Knowledge Systems had a Very nice commercial, multi-platform anonymity suite that included secure email. It was shutdown less than 2 weeks after 9/11, never to return.

If you want encryption for some reason, get GPG or PGP. Be prepared for disappointment when nobody you know is willing to learn how to use encryption.

If you want anonymity, use TOR, or download TAILS Linux which has TOR and other goodies pre-installed.

Be advised, any interest in privacy means you're up to something! http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/privacy/325273-the-nsa-thinks-you-are-an-extremist-if-you-care-about-privacy.

Regards,

Tooncinator.

[Bubba1979]

Hey Supa. Your inbox is full. I tried to send you a couple of pm's.

[Tooncinator]

Not sure if you have your times correct as I can find instances of "Zero Knowledge Systems" as recently as 2006. First is link to the parent company from 2003 which pointed to freedom.net as their consumer website which is the 2nd link as of 2006. So, the 9/11/2001 link to the closure of "Zero Knowledge Systems" seems to be incorrect.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030622063250/http://www.zero-knowledge.com/privacy/default.asp

https://web.archive.org/web/20060113075414/http://www.freedom.net/products/websecure/index.htmlI should have been more clear. Zero Knowledge Systems survived. Their flagship product "The Freed0m Network"* was forced to shut down.

It was a very sweet system. Similar to but pre-dating TOR except all of the exit nodes and forwarders (in about a dozen countries worldwide) were operated by ZKS. The email was just a side feature to their encrypted proxy. They released the source code but nobody ran with it. Running a "real" anonymity network gets you implicated as an accomplice in all manor of unpleasantness in short order. If you're Naval Intelligence (TOR) you can take the heat, but mere mortals / civilians get threatened from every side. But I digress.

* yeah, they used a zero in Freed0m.

[DavePHX]

Tempe-16 johns arrested based on silly notion it protects 15 yr olds.

Jul 16,2014 TEMPE, AZ. Sixteen men were arrested last week at a Tempe hotel during a prostitution sting, according to Tempe police.

Tempe police Lt. Scott xxxx said the bust happened at a hotel near Priest Drive and Baseline Road between July 8-9, 2014.

All of the men arrested are between the ages of 27 to 71, according to the release. Each of the men were arrested on various charges, including soliciting prostitution, indecent exposure or drug possession.

The bust specifically targeted adult prostitution.

According to Lt. Scott Sxxxx "Studies demonstrate a majority of sexually exploited persons enter into the sex trade as minors and are often coerced or forced to engage in acts of prostitution by pimps or traffickers. It is believed the average age of entry into prostitution in Phoenix is approximately 14.83 years of age. Targeting demand is part of a larger strategy by Arizona law enforcement to keep our communities safe," according to a released statement.

Dave notes the silly ave age 14.83 is probably like other proven bogus studies that only include under age sexworkers with real pimps etc. This is not of ALL sexworkers.

[Jenkins]

Tempe-16 johns arrested based on silly notion it protects 15 yr olds.

Jul 16,2014 TEMPE, AZ. Sixteen men were arrested last week at a Tempe hotel during a prostitution sting, according to Tempe police.

Tempe police Lt. Scott xxxx said the bust happened at a hotel near Priest Drive and Baseline Road between July 8-9, 2014.

All of the men arrested are between the ages of 27 to 71, according to the release. Each of the men were arrested on various charges, including soliciting prostitution, indecent exposure or drug possession.

The bust specifically targeted adult prostitution.

According to Lt. Scott Sxxxx "Studies demonstrate a majority of sexually exploited persons enter into the sex trade as minors and are often coerced or forced to engage in acts of prostitution by pimps or traffickers. It is believed the average age of entry into prostitution in Phoenix is approximately 14.83 years of age. Targeting demand is part of a larger strategy by Arizona law enforcement to keep our communities safe," according to a released statement.

Dave notes the silly ave age 14.83 is probably like other proven bogus studies that only include under age sexworkers with real pimps etc. This is not of ALL sexworkers.With the Super Bowl coming next January, expect a lot more busts. Until then, it means the safest route is not playing in PHX.

[DavePHX]

Phoenix Manifestation Law Conviction being Appealed by ACLU.

There are two critical issues in Monica xxxxx appeal that is getting a lot of media attention. The issues could apply to the Temple and other cases.

The ACLU on appeal it seems is going to argue lack of intent on her part and the constitutionality of the Phoenix manifestation law. The law makes it illegal to ask an officer if he is a cop. Of course, LE will lie so its a dumb question. But is asking if someone is a cop, protected free speech or a crime. As it is under the Phoenix law.

Sadly some media reports twist the facts of her trial and try and makes it a profiling transgender issue which had nothing to do with the case at trial. I was at the trial.

Even the ACLU site totally misrepresents the facts that all she was doing was "walking while Trans. " However, the AP wire services, and most local media have a more accurate account.

The case was just filed, but is not yet in the public record. I am very anxious to read the Appeal brief once available. The ACLU attorney at trial was outstanding on the real issues. Based on Monica's own admissions on the stand the judge easily found her guilty and sentenced her to 30 days in jail since this was her 2nd prostitution related conviction. The judge deferred the constitutional issues to be decided on appeal.

Facts admitted by Monica at trial.

1) She was in a sexy dress walking with breasts hanging out in a known area of prostitutes.

2) The police officer parked in a lot ahead of where she was walking. She approached the police car. Because the officer was cute, she testified.

3) The officer testified she exposed her breasts to him at the car window. She denies it but admits breasts were hanging out and was dressed in sexy short dress. She kind of joked about how sexy she looked in her testimony.

4) She admitted grabbing his genital area and asking if he was a police officer.

The ACLU attorney stuck to the facts, and did not raise the issue of the silly media hype of "walking while Trans" that is how the TS community is reporting.

The more accurate full AP wire report with a more full version is at.

http://ktar.com/22/1756147/Transgender-woman-appeals-Phoenix-prostitution-conviction

While her case is not that good to defend, the important legal issue is the constitutionality of the overly broad manifestation law and the issue of "intent" that could apply to other cases. I would argue the prostitution law is also overly broad a vague and the intent issue is key in other cases such as the Temple.

[DavePHX]

Mass Busts Phoenix and Nationwide.

8/6/14 National John Bust Nets 150 in Valley.

Valley police arrest 150 'Johns' during operation focused on sex trade.

PHOENIX. Focusing on online classified ad sites and street reversals, 150 would-be sex buyers were arrested in the Valley last week.

Investigators and decoys from the Phoenix, Glendale, Chandler, Mesa and Tempe police departments were supported by the Phoenix FBI office in the week long operation, according to a press release.

In the Valley, efforts concentrated on online classified ad sites and street reversals.

Ninety-one of the arrests came from "Backpage.com" ads, some of which solicited sex from juveniles.

Nationwide, there were nearly 500 arrests made.

In the Valley, Phoenix police made 69 arrests, Mesa police arrested 28, Tempe police took 21 into custody, Glendale police arrested 19 and Chandler police made 13 arrests.

Police said 80 vehicles were impounded during the operations.

According to the press release, the focus of the operation was to reduce demand in the sex trade, targeting those who are trying to buy sex.

Upcoming operations will continue to target the sex-buyers, or "Johns," but will also target pimps and others who profit from trafficking and promoting the sex trade.

Dave notes, with 500 arrests nationwide and 150 in Phoenix maybe someone will challenged the law. Attorneys are ready to go but need funding to file for declaratory action at the 9th Circuit based on a wide variety of Constitutional issues.

Sample online comments:

And how many of these frustrated "Johns" are going to rape someone because they couldn't buy it?

Waste if taxpayers money. Why don't you clowns work on enforcing something worthwhile like home invasions and gang activity.

[NorthScotts2]

First off, I know that some people tend to get upset and frustrated about reports that DavePHX brings us but honestly, I like the heads up. To my point, I received a couple of strange texts today that I was responding to and I was actually getting ready to head out the door to hang out with someone. That's when I jumped on here and saw the recent report by Dave. There was something that just seemed kind of strange about what was happening and reading this only confirmed that I needed to be extra careful. I think it also explains that when I pushed them for more info such as a photo, they stopped responding.

Dave, I appreciate any and all info but each to their own. Keep it coming. It may have just saved me some heartache, especially having to pull my car out of impound.


Mass Busts Phoenix and Nationwide.

8/6/14 National John Bust Nets 150 in Valley.

Valley police arrest 150 'Johns' during operation focused on sex trade.

PHOENIX. Focusing on online classified ad sites and street reversals, 150 would-be sex buyers were arrested in the Valley last week.

Investigators and decoys from the Phoenix, Glendale, Chandler, Mesa and Tempe police departments were supported by the Phoenix FBI office in the week long operation, according to a press release.

In the Valley, efforts concentrated on online classified ad sites and street reversals.

Ninety-one of the arrests came from "Backpage.com" ads, some of which solicited sex from juveniles.

Nationwide, there were nearly 500 arrests made.

In the Valley, Phoenix police made 69 arrests, Mesa police arrested 28, Tempe police took 21 into custody, Glendale police arrested 19 and Chandler police made 13 arrests.

Police said 80 vehicles were impounded during the operations.

According to the press release, the focus of the operation was to reduce demand in the sex trade, targeting those who are trying to buy sex.

Upcoming operations will continue to target the sex-buyers, or "Johns," but will also target pimps and others who profit from trafficking and promoting the sex trade.

Dave notes, with 500 arrests nationwide and 150 in Phoenix maybe someone will challenged the law. Attorneys are ready to go but need funding to file for declaratory action at the 9th Circuit based on a wide variety of Constitutional issues.

Sample online comments:

And how many of these frustrated "Johns" are going to rape someone because they couldn't buy it?

Waste if taxpayers money. Why don't you clowns work on enforcing something worthwhile like home invasions and gang activity.

[FloatMyBoat]

First off, I know that some people tend to get upset and frustrated about reports that DavePHX brings us but honestly, I like the heads up. To my point, I received a couple of strange texts today that I was responding to and I was actually getting ready to head out the door to hang out with someone. That's when I jumped on here and saw the recent report by Dave. There was something that just seemed kind of strange about what was happening and reading this only confirmed that I needed to be extra careful. I think it also explains that when I pushed them for more info such as a photo, they stopped responding.

Dave, I appreciate any and all info but each to their own. Keep it coming. It may have just saved me some heartache, especially having to pull my car out of impound.Dave, I heard this on the news and a few months ago thought I was being set-up in a sting in Scottsdale. Went to the hotel a day early and kept my eye on what was going on. Sure enough the UC's were there and saw one guy hauled off. Good thing to do your ground surveillance first. Until the Super Bowl is over this is going to be a police stupid priority.

I am all for stopping teen age sex trafficking and guys that want to get sex from a teenager maybe should be locked up.

While most of us will not go out and rape a woman just because we can't buy it, may not be true for the perverts that want teenage girls.

Best advise right now is use only providers you know, or do some surveillance first. Beat the cops at their own game.

I also had someone buy me a burn phone so all the call or text I make cannot be traced back to me. Don't want the cops showing up at my door later. Wife would kill me.

Be safe and be smart.

[Danimal Forth]

Pretty eye opening if you think it's all conspiracy theories and paranoia.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/08/07/arizona-arrested-teen-sting-johns-protest-charges-predator-tag/13754207/

[TucsonTaoist]

I wasn't sure where else to post this. I used to go to one called Chameleon Club a lifetime ago. And I thought that life was behind me until my wife suggests we go to a sex club in Phoenix for my birthday!? WTF!? Is there anywhere left to go up there that's any fun? She's a complete virgin at the swing thing.

[JackDeath]

I wasn't sure where else to post this. I used to go to one called Chameleon Club a lifetime ago. And I thought that life was behind me until my wife suggests we go to a sex club in Phoenix for my birthday!? WTF!? Is there anywhere left to go up there that's any fun? She's a complete virgin at the swing thing.I haven't been to any in a while, but me and my ex used to go to Encounters and always had a good time!

[Redpill]

What are the chances of picking up an STD in massage parlors? I'm curious but that stuff freaks me out a bit. That being said there is this experience I had that I wouldn't mind completing.

Grew up in western NY and for my 19th birthday (30's now) my buddies and I crossed the border for some strip clubs and drinking. At this point in life I'm a virgin. Had girlfriends and have done everything but intercourse, just hadn't sealed the deal. First time doing strip clubs was pretty fun. I was clueless but a great time was had. Well, the older guy that was with us he said he knew a place we could get massages. I'm drunk and oblivious at this point so I have no clue what I'm in store for.

We get the limo driver to take us to some place and the fee was $40 at the door and we sit in some room. Immediately some girl walks in wearing a white slik robe and she's like, "Who's up?" in some sort of fake sounding french accent. I wish I remembered more. She was fake blonde, MILF type, for the life of me I can't remember her tits. She had a nice body though, the type of legs and ass where you knew she was doing some gym time. Nobody said anything for about 2 heart beats so I said fuck it, I was up.

We go back into a room it was pretty dark. Seemed legit, she said to take off my clothes and shower and there was a towel to dry off with. She comes back a few minutes later and has me lay down and she's chatting. I think about it being my birthday and what we had been up to. She was pleasant. Her back massage sucked though and I remembered thinking that this wasn't worth $40 probably.

I flip over and she's rubbing my legs and she starts asking me about being a cop. At this point I'm like WTF. Why is she asking me this? I must have convinced her I wasn't, just a shy, American kid. So she basically says, "I don't do this. " and puts her tongue in her cheek and moves her hand simulating a blow job. Have you ever seen that movie from the 80's? Scanners? Where the guy's head explodes. I sort of remember having that type of moment. I don't even remember my response, probably just "okay? She must have imitated a handjob because there was no way I would have at the time.

So then she asks about a tip. I remember saying, well how much do guys normally give? Pretty sure she said well 80-100. I told her, I'm sorry but I don't have that left. Which was a good thing at the time, if I had $500 in my pocket she probably would of received it from me, some way or another. A long night of drinking, strip clubs, and the room fee and I had whatever the the sum of this Canadian monopoly money was. I jumped off the table and emptied my pockets onto the counter. Doing some math the next day it must have been like $15-$30 total.

So yeah I get back onto the table and she starts jerking me off, but it's just not going to happen. I had already beat off that day before I realized we were going out anywhere, and whisky dick like a mofo. At this point I kind of remember somebody knocking on the door once in awhile which was getting annoying. She seemed to be getting tired as well. Invited me to rub her pussy which was shaved. Told me not to insert anything LOL. Eventually she tells me to try it myself. I give it an attempt while she's draping herself on me, but it just wasn't happening. We shower together she said I should come back and see her when I was sober.

Get outside and start talking to my buddies and excitedly telling them about how the masseuse was giving me a handjob and shit. They're like, no shit? What the fuck did you think I was going to happen here. One of the guys tipped his girl $100 and he said he did her doggy and finished on her face. I remember thinking to myself, fuck I wish I had more money.

Now I'm older, and have a bit more money. But the girlfriend I had started dating right before this trip on my 19th birthday is now my wife. I'm just wondering what other things are like out there and want to be as safe and discreet as possible. How do I do this very carefully?

Thanks for any advice.

[DavePHX]

What are the chances of picking up an STD in massage parlors? I'm curious but that stuff freaks me out a bit. That being said there is this experience I had that I wouldn't mind completing.

Grew up in western NY and for my 19th birthday (30's now) my buddies and I crossed the border for some strip clubs and drinking..I assume your expereince was in Niagara Falls Canada, the many huge strip clubs. Or could have been Ft Erie across the border but doubt it.

STD's are virtually no risk since in Canada where its legal you of course use a condom. It is illegal of course in the USA Since we don't have the stronger rights as Canadians to under their Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Niagara isn't that good for massage places, although there use to be a few good places but closed now. Hamilton is actually better and of course my favorite nude-reverse-release in Mississauga. Again adults have consenting sex rights in Canada unlike the USA.

But always use a condom and virtually no risk, although herpes and a few other STDs can be spread fairly easily on non-covered areas But risk is low.

Unproteted oral of course is highly risky to both and I never recommend. In Canada of course, since illegal in the the USA And many stings now going on in Phoenix to stop all commercial sex. Well funded. Coalitions etc.

BTW Buffalo NY near the border also has some strip clubs I've been to, but nothing like those across the border.

[WorkForFood]

I have gotten a reply or two from a CL post from Ashley. She has a pretty canned sob story about being kicked out her place, staying in fast food places, etc. I am just curious if anyone else has gotten a reply and if you have determined if she is real or not. I highly suspect she is not what she says and will take the money and run quicker than I can. Thanks.

[DavePHX]

10 News: Officers bend rules to boost sex sting arrest totals.

Entrapment exposed to maximize ICAC Federal Grants to local Police.

TV investigative report exposes the same scam as used in Phoenix.

Mrs McCain again on TV Sunday night talking all about the sexual predictors coming to Phoenix bringing children as prostitutes for the Super bowl. Besides all the victim private organizations this also gets Federal ICAC Grants to police. So even though 90% of arrests are consenting adults with nothing to do with children, it is the ploy to get ICAC funding as exposed by the media. This even makes sense now with reports in the major adult busts from websites it is reported cops get bonuses based on how many arrests they make of consenting private adults.

10 News (Tampa Bay but part of national LE scam for grant money as in Phoenix).

Highlights of long article:

As the stings put more and more men behind bars, detectives are working harder and harder to keep up their arrest numbers. And the tactics they're using to put alleged sexual offenders in jail are sweeping up large numbers of law-abiding men, too.

A yearlong investigation by 10 Investigates reveals many of the men whose mugshots have been paraded out by local sheriffs in made-for-TV press conferences were minding their own business, looking for other adults, when detectives started to groom and convince them to break the law.

According to arrest affidavits inspected by 10 Investigates, law enforcement is also now routinely making first contact with men who have done nothing wrong, responding to their ads on dating sites like PlentyOfFish.com. After men start conversing with what they think are adults, officers change the age they claim to be, but try to convince the men to continue the conversation anyway.

Other examples include undercover officers showing interest in a man, then later introducing the idea of having sex with the undercover's "child. " If the men indicate they weren't interested, they were still often arrested for just talking to the adult.

Critics of the stings, including a number of prominent Tampa Bay law enforcement leaders, tell 10 News the operations make for better press conferences than they do crime fighting.

Judges have also been very critical of some of the tactics used in the stings, Among the comments from judges in recent entrapment decisions:

"The government made a concerted effort to lure him into committing a crime. ".

"The undercover officer failed to follow the procedures.".

"The law does not tolerate government action to provoke a law-abiding citizen to commit a crime. ".

The judge in one dismissed case. "the officer controlled the tone, pace and subject matter of online conversation, pushing toward a discussion of sexual activity. ".

(Many) have active investigations open on hundreds, if not thousands, of men who did nothing more than legally communicate with adults on legal websites.

The state's best-known lawman also showed little concern for due process during a Tuesday press conference to tout arrests since March in predator-style stings. He pointed to 132 mugshots on a giant posterboard and called the men "sexual predators. ".

But when 10 Investigates pointed out some of the men had already been cleared of charges, he said they were still fair game because "we have a very liberal. A very forgiving. Criminal justice system. ".

But xxxx makes sure the mugshots and stigma of being arrested for a sex crime haunts the men for the rest of their lives.

Critics point out many of the 1,200 men who are ultimately arrested in Florida and called "sexual predators" weren't preying or even looking for kids; many were seeking adults. The majority of them were in their teens or 20's at the time, and approximately 97 percent of the men had zero history of any sexual crimes or accusations.

"The biggest waste ever".

ICAC stings typically cost tens of thousands of dollars. Sometimes close to $100,000 - in costs and officers' time, and that doesn't include the costs to prosecute and jail defendants.

"(My son) was stalked by law enforcement for three days," said the mother of a 22-year-old arrested in one of the stings.

The son was on Craiglist's personals pages, looking to meet other adults. He responded to a "no strings attached" ad for a 26-year-old woman. He says her story changed a few times, including the claim she was only 13, but he was skeptical.

He spoke on the phone to the undercover and she sent a photo, in which she was wearing a wedding ring. He said he was sure she was an adult (she was), so he made plans to meet her. When he arrived, he was arrested. He was later sentenced to two years of house arrest and a lifetime as a registered sex offender.

"He had a life of promise; he had an education," his mother said. "That's all been shot. " She says her son is paying the price of opportunistic lawmen.

Board-certified defense attorney xxxxxx says law enforcement officers have become experts in coercing innocent men into breaking the law. "They are really good at subtly turning conversations and normal statements into sexual innuendo. Whether or not the other side intended that," he said.

Xxx who has a practice in Sarasota, just got a 23-year-old client's case dismissed in Manatee. A judge ruled deputies entrapped his client, writing that their tactics had "no place in modern day law enforcement. ".

Xxxn adds that officers are pushing the boundaries further and further to keep up their arrest numbers and keep the federal ICAC grants flowing. And responding to legal ads on legal dating sites crosses the line. "Once the low-hanging fruit is sort of gone, taken off the tree," xxxxxx said, "there's still pressure from high above to justify these actions. ".

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/investigations/2014/08/07/law-enforcement-crosses-lines-on-sex-stings-entrapment/13734121/

[Member #5432]

Has anyone ever tried or had any success with any of the dating / pick-up apps for your phone? Blendr, tinder, bfriends, etc. ? Seems like a lot of wasted time, but one always remains hopeful!

RW.

[Roommate]

Has anyone ever tried or had any success with any of the dating / pick-up apps for your phone? Blendr, tinder, bfriends, etc. ? Seems like a lot of wasted time, but one always remains hopeful!

RW.I've used a few in the past, though none of the ones you specifically mentioned. I used an app called "DATING (meet singles)" by a developer called levelmatchcity on Android market. I did get lucky one night when traveling in the Midwest. Less than an hour after logging on at that location, I was contacted by a girl that lived about 15 minutes away. She invited me over to hers. However, she was living with a relative. I went over and hung out for a couple hours. She was extremely sensual, she immediately went to touching and kissing me all over, which was nice, but she didn't have a room of her own, so we were out in the open in her living room. Her fam was just in the next room, which was pretty uncomfortable. In the end I left w / a BBBJ for nothing. I could have had anything I wanted though. Overall it was a strange experience, which I may or may not repeat if I was apprised of all the details going in.

This service is now defunct as of a couple of months ago. I have used another in the past, but I can't find the name of it anywhere. My experience with all of these types of services has been that there are a lot of young, immature women using them. Even the older ones I've chatted with have struck me as immature. I chatted with a girl locally who I ended up asking to meet. Turns out she didn't have a car or job and still lived with her parents, she was 26. Any good looking girl with a decent personality and some wit will literally get hundreds of requests a day, they rarely respond to any contacts. If you really put a lot of work into your profile, you can meet some cuties, but if you don't look good and have a decent personality IRL, you won't go far when you meet. Just my 2 cents.

[YoniLicker]

Recently I had an amazing experience with Shannon a SEXY MILF who has the most amazing luscious legs and ass.

This is my second meeting with her, well worth my trip to your area, since I had a great first meeting with her and knew she has experience in areas I haven't experienced yet.

Totally aside from that she is some one I immediately felt comfortable with the first time we met, she has a very calm easy going personality that at first only hints at her under lying warmth which is given a way when ever she smiles. And she smiles a lot! Very pleasant positive attitude. Fortunately for me she is affectionate and enjoys kissing to a certain extent.

This time, after I took a quick rinse off shower at my hotel room after she arrived, we sat on the bed discussing a few things on my list that I would like to experience. As we are chatting and she is responding to what I'm talking about with her experiences in those areas she is stroking me; at first gently over the towel and then under it. After she feels I'm good and stiff and my breathing is showing it she leans forward and we start kissing and she keeps gently and slowly stroking.

I can't remember the last time I was flooded with lust and raw excitement so fast now here is the big problem part. Shannon is one of those women we have truly been blessed with, she LOVES giving head. Some women have learned how to give enjoyable head and are afraid of tasting or feeling sperm in their mouths; some give up some head for a little while but would be grateful if never asked to do it again; some women enjoy the sense that they are in control and enjoy their command over how excited they can make man get and how they can tease a man. And then there are rare few who LOVE giving head, LOVE how they can make a man feel, LOVE feeling a man get a full erection, and swell and get HOT in their mouth, LOVE the little things they can do to make a man squirm, LOVE sensing him getting close and then sloooowing down so that the can have more FUN!! Climax some place other than in their mouth? Well, only if you have to.).

If that same women we are truly blessed with. That presents a problem because they are as truly gifted with full sex. A conundrum!!

And that is the BIG problem with Shannon, she enjoys it all!! Problem you say? Absolutely!! The BIG problem is that there is only one Shannon. If you aren't in the Phoenix area, you have to go with out.

This time she created sensations, arousal, passion and ecstasy I never, in my wildest dreams or fantasies, imagined!! At first it was pleasure over load as my body hadn't experienced arousal occurring from two different places, Shannon was slowly starting aligning her finger to start a prostate massage while having FUN making me wiggle all over the place, punctuated by my gasps, and moans from her tongue and lips all over my swollen dick, balls, between my legs and close to where her finger was slowly disappearing into.

Absolutely amazing experience of intense pleasure and excitement emanating from two different places!! Occasionally I had her slow down since I didn't want these extraordinary sensations to end. Sensing I was going to explode very soon, I asked that t she cover me up so I could be inside her. She happily agreed starting out in MISH and then switching to her favorite doggy which is perfect for me when I know that my approaching exploding is going to set me furiously pounding away through and past an intense climax. As that was happening she was encouraging me to go hard which she loves.

She patiently waited for me to return back to Earth which is rather gradual after such intensity.

I'm already developing a rough out line for our next meeting and what to work on next on my list.

P411 and Tango Echo Romeo are good place to look.

Deprived.

[Azman84]

So been replying to some post on CL and came across someone trying to offer Backdoor service so I reply, she left. Her number so start to dig into it. Came across it was FBI agent, so I played the game a bit and relies he is gay and offer back door service on CL. Could be a sting or rogue officer. I doubt it was a sting because city and county set most these stings up, to small for Feds I would assume.

So be careful out there, I did took pictures of all the conversations and his post in CL, and funny part is that he used his own personal cell phone. Lucky he can't trace me.

[NDave]

So been replying to some post on CL and came across someone trying to offer Backdoor service so I reply, she left. Her number so start to dig into it. Came across it was FBI agent, so I played the game a bit and relies he is gay and offer back door service on CL. Could be a sting or rogue officer. I doubt it was a sting because city and county set most these stings up, to small for Feds I would assume.

So be careful out there, I did took pictures of all the conversations and his post in CL, and funny part is that he used his own personal cell phone. Lucky he can't trace me.LOL.

There is a huge FBI office downtown and a massive headquarters at the Deer Valley Airport. A lot of those guys are gay and as long as no $ is exchanged you could have tried the Wild Side.

I can guarantee you LE picked up on this one. And I think they can track anyone they really want.

[Azman84]

LOL.

There is a huge FBI office downtown and a massive headquarters at the Deer Valley Airport. A lot of those guys are gay and as long as no $ is exchanged you could have tried the Wild Side.

I can guarantee you LE picked up on this one. And I think they can track anyone they really want.Na I set him straight, because he can't track me. I looked him up call him out on his real name told him to back down on me and stop threating me, since I have a picture with his post with his phone number spelled out and he been text me that I can get " a wet BJ" told him sure some new journalist at a news paper would find it intrested.

[NightT]

I can't find one (an ISO).

Maybe someone can point me in the right direction.

I am looking for Samantha. Aka Sammy. Aka Emily. Aka Emily Rain.

Best BBBJCIM eva.

Little brunette with stitches tattoo'd all over her arms and legs.

She's been bouncin' in and out of Estrallia the last couple months.

Anyone with info?

Greatly appreciated.

Non-related topic:

I am not sure. But is this site going down and the new site taking over?

Info please.

NT.

night.train.tna@gmail.com

[Desert Rat]

Night Train. Miss you on TN and A.

[DavePHX]

Sex Trafficking Cartels Already invading Phoenix.

(One of the worst yet fake reports full of lies to stir of up the public getting national attention).

Brenda Gifford worked with the governor's Task Force on Human Trafficking and said 82 percent of children being traffic in America are USA Citizen. She says the problem is about to get even worse with the Super Bowl coming to Glendale in February.

"There are three major sex trafficking cartels setting up in the Phoenix metroplex as we speak," Gifford said. She said pimps groom young girls and keep moving every few weeks to stay a step ahead of police. "What 10-year-old doesn't want to be 20? And what 12-year-old doesn't want to be Beyonce? Gifford asked. "So when someone treats them like an adult and buys them gifts, these girls fall in love with these guys," she said.

Its methodical and it's a business.

Pimps run barely-legal escort ads, such as the ones you find on the popular Valley-based website backpage.com. (Dave notes, actually it is LE that sets up the fake ads for adults, on the adult website and then entraps them).

"Sex trafficking is the fastest growing criminal enterprise in the world," Gifford said. "An average pimp has four to six girls and can make $1. 5 million a year with his stable. ".

Hugh Hallman said modern technology contributes to the problem.

"So the worst kinds of things that take place in human history are now taking place at lightning speed across the country because of this technology," Hallman said. "That's what we're up against. ".

Now, a coalition of 21 nonprofit groups, is working with local and international law enforcement teams to track the victims and shut down the sex trafficking circuit.

Gifford said the Super Bowl isn't the only mega-event in the Valley that brings in big money. The Waste Management Phoenix Open, the NFL Pro Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, Barrett-Jackson, the Arabian Horse Show, NASCAR races and Country Thunder are included in that list.

The public can help by joining in The Run Against Trafficking (R. A. T. Race) Saturday at Reach 11 Sports Complex near Cave Creek and Deer Valley roads in North Phoenix. A run begins at 8 am And a walk at 9 am.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/26883911/nonprofits-join-to-combat-sex-trafficking-in-valley#ixzz3 H9 udgTl7.

[DavePHX]

Examples of "Real" pimps in Phoenix.

The Phoenix Temple gals are threatened with up to 70 yrs in prison for healing but look how light the sentences are for REAL bad pimps, kidnappers who assault their women.

REAL Pimp: Monrico (Bad kind).

Pled to pandering class 5 felony and had dismissed other 4 felonies including more serious "Sex Trafficking" a class 2 felony. Sentenced to 1 yr. In jail with credit for 3 months of time served and 3 years' probation. His attorney I know from the Temple case who represents one of the current defendants.

A victim had an ad on backpage and met with undercover detective who was arrested for prostitution. She said Monrico was her pimp who she met in Arkansas. She was forced into prostitution by being assaulted, denying access to telephone, money, most food or transportation. She had bruises all over her body. Police officers observed while investigating prostitution at the motel Monrico sitting in a stairwell pretending to talk on a phone. He had taken a Greyhound bus from Arkansas to Phoenix. He was arrested for pandering, kidnapping, assault and related counts.

Later attempts to reach the victim were unsuccessful (so could not testify against him).

Monrico, age 19, admitted to pandering in different states over the last eight months. However, he denied any involvement with the victim, stating the police report was "full of lies. " He could not elaborate as to which parts were true or what his actual actions were but indicated his friend, the victim, told numerous lies about him during the investigation.

Presentance report: wants to move back to Arkansas where lives in separate household from parents. Expressed attitudes.

Supportive of committing crime for personal or financial gain, expressed views contrary to societal norms and that he would have difficulty complying with probation conditions.

Describes himself as being a "bad child" and friends are bad influence as they like to go out to clubs every night. Has no positive adult mentors or role models. Two prior drug charges in 2013 resulting in probation, the present offense represents an increase in seriousness and involved violence.

Reports he was suspended multiple times for arguing with teachers, was home-schooled in Jr High, attended high school until the tenth grade but dropped out due to "partying. " Later got a GED. Supported himself by pandering since it was "fast money. " There is also a confidential mental health evaluation.

Has no income or assets and since victim could not be contacted regarding financial losses, a blank restitution ledger has been prepared. He expressed no concern for the victim or remorse for his actions.

EVEN WORSE REAL PIMP – Kidnapping – Assault – Brenton.

Arrested in Tempe home charged with two counts of kidnapping, two of aggravated assault, two criminal damage, misdemeanor assault and keeping a house of prostitution related to Jamie and Melvin and considered domestic violence since have lived together in past and had sexual relations.

Jamie had worked for Brenton as a prostitute for the last year. When she no longer wanted to work as a prostitute and leave the house, Brenton grabbed her by the hair forced back into the apartment complex against her will and told her he would hurt her is she called out to police who were at the apartment complex on an unrelated matter.

Back in the apartment, he cut off all of her clothing using a kitchen knife to prevent her from leaving. He also broker her cell phone in half to avoid her calling police.

He then dragged her by the hair into a bedroom, struck her in the forehead with a closed fist and cut off a tuff of her hair with the knife.

He then started running water in the bathtub and she felt that he was going to drown her. She tried to run to the front door to escape but he dragged her back into the bedroom as she was trying to crawl to the door. He then placed her in a choke hold. She had physical signs of injury consistent with the statement.

He then locked her in the bedroom and after he left she screamed loudly as police arrived after being summoned by a neighbor that heard her screams and him chasing her through the complex.

During the investigation, it was learned that he was her pimp using the apartment for prostitution where he made her and another.

Female work for him by meeting as many as 12 males a day. He took all the earnings and assaulted her several times.

Brenton as held on $15,000 bond. He pled guilty to one count of kidnapping and sentenced to 6 months in jail, 3 years of probation and restitution not to exceed $100,000 (but has no source of income other than pimping).

[Matrix Neo]

Have any of you happened to find any chicks through social media sites? I found some links to some girls personal Facebook sites (thanks for all that privacy). Glad I finally invested in a burn phone and an alias I only use when contacting working women. Last thing I would want would be for my employer or S. O. To discover some of my "friends". I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but some of these girls might want to think about a separate cell phone number for this type of business.

[Matrix Neo]

I try to avoid most of these girls who have "management" lurking around. Most of these guys are the scum of the earth.

[DavePHX]

Nationwide ALERT!! - Dangerous Person Targeting Sex Workers.

An URGENT nationwide bulletin has been issued especially to sexworkers for person who is wanted for violent acts against women; specifically those working in the escort and sex industry.

Gregory xxxxxxxxx is wanted on felony warrants for Kidnapping, Aggravated Robbery, and Statutory rape out of North Carolina and Massachusetts. Lewis was last known to be in Denver, but he could be anywhere in the US he has traveled from coast to coast.

10/27/2014 - May have stuck again in Oregon reports WCVB news. On Saturday reported to be in Indianapolis.

Denver Police say he should be considered armed and dangerous.

ABC affiliate WCVB in Boston has reported that Lewis is an accused child rapist. They added that xxxxxxx may be in possession of a gun, baton and handcuffs.

In Massachusetts, xxxxxx cut off his GPS ankle bracelet and fled the state. He returned on Sept. 25 to attack a family member and steal a gun, WCVB reported.

Denver Police said the crimes committed in Denver happened in early to mid-October.

Right now, xxxx is the most wanted man in Massachusetts.

Xxxxxx is targeting escorts and women working in the adult entertainment industry.

Xxxx is described as a white male, approximately 6'2" and 250-270 pounds, with brown hair and eyes.

Pictures at http://denver.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/crime-alert-crime-alert-crime-alert-41/16739881.

Lewis may be clean shaven now.

10/28/2014 updated photo- The photo of Gregory xxxxx, 26, shows him clean-shaven when older photos showed him with a beard. The photo was taken from a surveillance camera on Saturday in an Indianapolis hotel. Authorities say Lewis robbed that hotel Saturday.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/27146043/police-release-new-photo-of-wanted-southbridge-man-gregory-lewis

Investigators believe he has been driving a 2004 blue Jeep Cherokee and stealing license plates, and they say he's made it clear: he will fire at anyone who tries to take him down.

"I think he figures it's almost his last hurrah, he's going to stay out there as long as he can, he doesn't care how many people he hurts," says Lt Farley.

He has the following tattoos: Chest hand holding a knife with a broken handcuff; Left shoulder to elbow demonic female with colored eyes. Xxxxx should be considered armed and dangerous.

In late September, investigators believe xxxxxxx returned to a family home in Massachusetts where he then violently assaulted his stepfather, stole a 9 mm handgun and left with hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

He is believed to be extremely dangerous, Do not approach him, do not contact him. Contact authorities right away.

[Matrix Neo]

Anyone notice that more and more people are bumming on the streets of Phoenix lately? I've seen some girls out there. Thought about seeing what some of them might be willing to do to get more than just change out there.

[Ralf511]

Anyone notice that more and more people are bumming on the streets of Phoenix lately? I've seen some girls out there. Thought about seeing what some of them might be willing to do to get more than just change out there.Most of them do not look like you would want them anywhere near your wallet!

[DavePHX]

ALERT. Phoenix Companion Assaulted Fri 10/31.

Since too scared to call police companions taken advantage of.

Dave, This is urgent! Today a man came in and attacked me. He said his name was Jim, he didn't call just knocked on the door. I asked him what he was or who he was looking for and he replied with, I'm looking for a girl who looks like you. Before I knew it he over powered me and got into the door. He went into my room he punched me on the side of my head, back, and slapped me 2 times in the ass. He called me several names working girl, hooker, ect. He said he was giving me money and I had to do what ever he said.

I kindly asked him to leave then firmly told him he had come to the wrong person and place. He then ran into the bathroom. He came out of the bathroom naked with his pants in one hand.

I yelled at him to get the fuck out of here. He then said I can't find my wallet and I'm not leaving til I find it. Within seconds of saying that he reached into his pants laughing and smiling then said just kidding.

I again told him to leave he grabbed my face kissed me and said I'm a nice guy. I said don't ever come back here again.

6 ft 2.

Brown hair.

40 to 45 years old.

Aggravated and very aggressive.

Khaki green shorts.

Brown shirt.

Left on a black trek xlarge bike.

He said his name is Jim.

Being I'm located in a private space I'm not sure how he found me.

Thanks for reading this email.

Please put the word out.

This guy is going to hurt someone else today I'm sure of that.

I read the discussion board please inform the community.

Thanks your's truly.

Dave notes I sent to about 350 companions on the Phoenix Private List this afternoon.

[Roadwarrior98]

ALERT. Phoenix Companion Assaulted Fri 10/31.

Since too scared to call police companions taken advantage of.

Dave, This is urgent! Today a man came in and attacked me. He said his name was Jim, he didn't call just knocked on the door. I asked him what he was or who he was looking for and he replied with, I'm looking for a girl who looks like you. Before I knew it he over powered me and got into the door. He went into my room he punched me on the side of my head, back, and slapped me 2 times in the ass. He called me several names working girl, hooker, ect. He said he was giving me money and I had to do what ever he said.

I kindly asked him to leave then firmly told him he had come to the wrong person and place. He then ran into the bathroom. He came out of the bathroom naked with his pants in one hand.

I yelled at him to get the fuck out of here. He then said I can't find my wallet and I'm not leaving til I find it. Within seconds of saying that he reached into his pants laughing and smiling then said just kidding.

I again told him to leave he grabbed my face kissed me and said I'm a nice guy. I said don't ever come back here again.

6 ft 2.

Brown hair.

40 to 45 years old.

Aggravated and very aggressive.

Khaki green shorts.

Brown shirt.

Left on a black trek xlarge bike.

He said his name is Jim.

Being I'm located in a private space I'm not sure how he found me.

Thanks for reading this email.

Please put the word out.

This guy is going to hurt someone else today I'm sure of that.

I read the discussion board please inform the community.

Thanks your's truly.

Dave notes I sent to about 350 companions on the Phoenix Private List this afternoon.Wow that is pretty messed up. Sounds like the dude has a screw loose. Is this dude out randomly or something?

[DavePHX]

Wow that is pretty messed up. Sounds like the dude has a screw loose. Is this dude out randomly or something?There has been a 2nd attack even worse and escort is too traumatized to give details. The first has security camera footage showing him but too scared to go to the police. Neighboring massage parlor he went to first but locked door when saw him for some reason seemed odd. 1st was in area of the 51 and Bell. 2nd was in Mesa on the same day with different description.

[DavePHX]

More Scottsdale licensing arrest examples.

10/29 Female age 33 at E Almeria Rd lives in Avondale.

No Escort I'd card.

Provide escort service without permit.

Prohibited act. Provide sexual services.

3 charges = 45 days in jail.

10/29 Male age 52 on E McDowell Rd lives in Phoenix.

No escort assistant permit plus a warrant from another jurisdiction and driving on revoked drivers license.

This may have been a driver for an escort.

10/31 Female age 24 on and Marshall Way, lives in Mesa.

No Escort I'd card.

Provide escort service without permit.

2 charges = 30 days in jail.

Locations are usually hotels where did outcall.

This is just Scottsdale, in Phoenix escorting without license usually just given ticket and no detailed police log available if not booked into 4th Ave jail.

[DavePHX]

New AZ AG to fight sexwork.

Mark xxxx new Arizona Attorney General's top topic in ABC 15 10 PM news interview was stopping the sex trade in Arizona and trafficking. Of course this is 90%+ a farce going after private consenting adults vs the rare case of actual forced prostitution. But it makes political points and great media hype.

He pointed out the SuperBowl coming up and we have to do everything we can to stop those that are profiting from either drugs or the sex trade.

ABC interviewer asks about this only being until the Super bowl. No, he goes into a speech about wanting to solve these problems in Arizona not just talk about.

Current Gov xxxxx has stated more laws to go after the sex work industry are needed even after the 2014 laws making statewide licensing required, new crimes going after customers, anyone who aids a prostitute and expanding trafficker to include website owners and those that assist. She leads one of many task forces to get rid of all prostitution in Arizona.

He was sweep into office like most Republicans by the huge money "dark money" machine of unknown corporate funding, which swept the Republicans to mostly victories nationally and in Arizona.

However, his Democratic challenger xxxxxxxx also in her campaign material mentions eliminating the sex trade. With the usual scam that it is about children, slavery and trafficking.

On another hot issue, xxxx opposes a women's right to choose and stands behind groups that want government to interfere in the personal decisions between women and their doctors.

Likewise the new Arizona Governor Doug xxxxxx won and is strong on crime and no rights for women over their bodies related to abortion issue. Massive funding from national conservative organizations outspending the Democrats by 4:1.

[Wheezeraz]

I have a hookup and I need someplace to take her. I'm not sure what are the good motel options and I really appreciate some suggestions? I researched some day use hotels but there only appear two in Phoenix.

Ideally I'm looking for something reasonably cheap (under $50) and low drama. So where do people usually go?

[JWoo9]

I have a hookup and I need someplace to take her. I'm not sure what are the good motel options and I really appreciate some suggestions? I researched some day use hotels but there only appear two in Phoenix.

Ideally I'm looking for something reasonably cheap (under $50) and low drama. So where do people usually go?I don't have any clue beyond looking something up on priceline for hotels / motels as you can get pretty good deals there.

[BumperDude2]

Is legal money. Not necessarily ethical money. Hard to believe that the huge amount of underground money couldn't spoil the plans of politicians like.

These.


New AZ AG to fight sexwork.

Mark xxxx new Arizona Attorney General's top topic in ABC 15 10 PM news interview was stopping the sex trade in Arizona and trafficking. Of course this is 90%+ a farce going after private consenting adults vs the rare case of actual forced prostitution. But it makes political points and great media hype.

He pointed out the SuperBowl coming up and we have to do everything we can to stop those that are profiting from either drugs or the sex trade.

ABC interviewer asks about this only being until the Super bowl. No, he goes into a speech about wanting to solve these problems in Arizona not just talk about.

Current Gov xxxxx has stated more laws to go after the sex work industry are needed even after the 2014 laws making statewide licensing required, new crimes going after customers, anyone who aids a prostitute and expanding trafficker to include website owners and those that assist. She leads one of many task forces to get rid of all prostitution in Arizona.

He was sweep into office like most Republicans by the huge money "dark money" machine of unknown corporate funding, which swept the Republicans to mostly victories nationally and in Arizona.

However, his Democratic challenger xxxxxxxx also in her campaign material mentions eliminating the sex trade. With the usual scam that it is about children, slavery and trafficking.

On another hot issue, xxxx opposes a women's right to choose and stands behind groups that want government to interfere in the personal decisions between women and their doctors.

Likewise the new Arizona Governor Doug xxxxxx won and is strong on crime and no rights for women over their bodies related to abortion issue. Massive funding from national conservative organizations outspending the Democrats by 4:1.

[Reallly Bored]

I have a hookup and I need someplace to take her. I'm not sure what are the good motel options and I really appreciate some suggestions? I researched some day use hotels but there only appear two in Phoenix.

Ideally I'm looking for something reasonably cheap (under $50) and low drama. So where do people usually go?Motel 6 are all over town. Just pay in cash.

[Arizona Junkie]

There used to be a place that advertised on backpage, it was a very nice condo in Scottsdale that was available by the hour specifically for private hookups. They provided fresh sheets, towels, and even fruit and snacks. It was really inexpensive too, something like $25/ hr, perfect for a private escape to hookup whether with a pro, or an affair. I haven't seen their ads in quite a while, but I always thought it was a great idea.


I have a hookup and I need someplace to take her. I'm not sure what are the good motel options and I really appreciate some suggestions? I researched some day use hotels but there only appear two in Phoenix.

Ideally I'm looking for something reasonably cheap (under $50) and low drama. So where do people usually go?

[DavePHX]

City of Vancouver Against Sexwork Law should apply to USA.

Far different than the fake research and lie of "children and trafficking" crackdown on sexworkers instead of safety and security for consenting adults.

This should be a model for Phoenix and the USA Legally it could be used to attack prostitution law based on "no compelling interest".

Our response to the passing of Bill see-36 (Nordic model to make customers the criminals).

November 7 2014 Vancouver City Hall.

The City is concerned with the passing of Bill see-36, Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act, as research confirms that criminalization of sex workers puts people engaged in sex work at further risk of increased violence.

The passing of Bill see-36:

Undermines the health and safety of sex workers Increases social exclusion and pushes sex workers to work in more isolated areas.

What this decision means for the City going forward Going forward, the collective focus needs to continue to be on the health and safety of sex workers and the communities that they live and work. The City remains committed to this, and in October 2014, Mayor and Council adopted Vancouver's Healthy City Strategy, which identifies 13 goals, including:

Safety and inclusion To promote health and well-being for all A target to make Vancouver the safest major city in Canada by reducing crimes, including sexual assault, year-over-year.

The City will continue to work in partnership with community groups and the provincial government to minimize safety risks and harms for sex workers. This includes:

Addressing all forms of exploitation and abuse Providing opportunities for education and awareness Enabling access to health and social service gaps Creating transitioning opportunities for those seeking to exit.

City urged the federal government to refer the proposed legislation to the Supreme Court In submissions to the Federal Government, the City urged that the proposed legislation be referred to the Supreme Court to ensure its compliance with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the spirit of the Bedford Decision: prioritizing the health, safety and dignity of those it's declared to protect. The City also asked that there be consultation, which previously did not take place, with municipalities across the country on potential impacts.

In 2013 the City provided over $400,000 in grants to 11 community organizations to: Promote sex worker health and safety.

Address child and youth sexual exploitation.

http://vancouver.ca/news-calendar/city-response-to-passing-of-bill-c-36.aspx

[DavePHX]

MyRedbook Update.

Both website owners out on bail with electronic monitoring. Eric posted $500,000 bond, don't recall how much for "Maddie".

FBI took over site in June 2014 and indictment followed.

1 count of a Rackeetering Enterprise. Aiding and Abetting.

24 counts of money laundering for bank deposits for myredbook.

Case is progressing as usual. Long delays nothing happens for a year or so as each side hopes for a favorable plea deal.

No motions with any challenges to the law, just usual discovery.

11/14/2014 Eric requests lifting of his curfew from 7 AM to 9 PM and the USA Attorney had no objection.

In August, the USA Attorney was concerned that in the massive computer records and other materials there may be sexual images including those of minors. Therefore, records made available to defense team can not be copied or distributed to anyone other than those named in the order to protect any underaged in the records.

There has been no direct evidence of any underaged, just hinted at by the police. Like maybe. Because years ago heard might be.

It seems the underaged issue was great for justifying the takeover of myredbook but nothing related to anything underage has been charged yet.

11/6/2014 - Last status conference lasted 1 minute! Because certain discovery was still outstanding status conference continued until December 4th, 2014.

I expect the case to go on another year or so before trial, unless there is a plea deal.

As previously reported:

AzenitSmith a KTVU TV reporter is doing coverage of the raid upset when the sites url posted (now just with notice taken over by FBI). On Twitter she says, "Do you really think it's a good idea to link directly to a child exploitation website?

Miss Park says,"it's not a 'child-exploitations' site. It's an escort-listing site. For consenting adults. Wow. So clueless. Like, do you journalism? Or do you just unquestioningly mouth press releases? Not only that but really, making such outrageous allegations & posting address? Witch hunting, much? ".

[DavePHX]

The manifestation law was argued as unconstitutional based on two issues.

1) Free speech issue is asking if a police officer or other elements with no furtherance of a crime and no intent proved, protected free speech.

An issue was the legitimacy of a law that requires or not intent to have the intent to manifest an act of prostitution.

The judge discussed what is the difference from someone saying, "I will pay you $100 for sex". Is that protected free speech?. No because its specific to an illegal act. But the manifestation law does not require the intent of prostitution only the intent to intend (confusing).

On asking if police, maybe you ask since there is a lose dog biting people or something.

The Judge noted Monica's specific acts at the trial. She admitted to grabbing the cops groin. She argues it was self-defense not knowing she was a cop and the State argues it proves the intent of prostitution.

The Judge also noted from the trial transcript that the officer testified Monica asked him to touch her bare breasts (to prove not a cop). Monica denied this so as the judge pointed out it this fact relies on a balance of credibility.

2) Vagueness of the law or over broad. There was a lot of discussion of the State v Savio case. Monica's attorney argues the facts are different enough that it didn't apply.

Monica's attorney also argued the law was discriminatory with arbitrary enforcement since left to a police officer to decide if related to prostitution or ask if a police officer to tell of a crime etc. Again the State argues the grabbing of his crotch and alleged touching breasts showed the prostitution intent beyond just asking if a police officer.

Judge will take the case under advisement and rule as soon as he can.

Dave's non-lawyer view.

To me its a 50-50 odds.

The judge could rule the manifestation law itself is unconstitutional which would not only be a win for Monica but make the streets safer from such charges in the future.

The bad part if the law is upheld is Monica's own testimony and admissions (remember she approached the cop because he was "cute" and discussed going to a room etc. However, maybe this was just for a regular date since no money was discussed to make it prostitution.

What in my view was missed by the defense is maybe Monica just wanted to hook up with the cute cop. There as no offer of sex for money which is why she was not charged with prostitution, only the vague intent to manifest prostitution. I don't recall this being raised by the defense.

Also, the judge may consider other issues raised in the Appeal Briefs not presented in the oral arguments. But the oral argued issues seem to be the key to the case.

I believe in the judge's ruling he will address all the issues in the Appeal Briefs, not just the issues raised at the Oral Argument which will make the ruling very interesting.

I met a female attorney in Court, following the case specifically on the right to a jury issue that she wants to appeal on in another sexwork related case in Scottsdale. We had a great discussion of cases.

I talked briefly with the ACLU attorney on a possible appeal. Either side might appeal to the Arizona Court of Appeals, but there are narrow grounds to do so which he had not researched to have an opinion on if Monica could appeal further if lost.

[DavePHX]

Police can get SIM card info even if destroy the SIM in a cell phone.

This was used to convict escort agency owners and upheld by Arizona Court of Appeals on 8/2/2014 in No. 2 CA-CR 2013-0316.

Agency owner whose cell phone taken but SIM card missing, claimed trial court erred in cell phone evidence without sufficient foundation. Appeals Court upheld trial court:

Because the cell phone lacked a SIM card, a detective with the Police Department contacted the service provider, AT&T. The detective gave AT&T the IMEI number, located on the cell phone, and an AT&T representative provided the detective with two additional numbers. Using those two numbers, a police lab technician created a forensic SIM card. With the forensic SIM card, the detective then downloaded the data stored on Mendez's phone, including the contact list, incoming and outgoing call history, and text messages.

The state planned to call an AT&T representative as a witness at trial to "tie the phone number -in the ad- to the I. M. E. I. Number" of xxx's phone. However, the trial court precluded the witness based on the state's late disclosure. The court nonetheless ruled that evidence of the phone number was admissible if the state laid the "appropriate circumstantial foundation. " At trial, a detective explained the process used to produce the forensic SIM card and to download the contents of xxx's cell phone. He also testified that xxxx's cell phone was "the phone where all of the calls from. . . (the undercover officer) were going. ".

[DavePHX]

"Reckless eyeballing" testimony not racial or grounds for mistrial.

From No. 2 CA-CR 2013-0316 Arizona Court of Appeals Aug 2014:

xxxxxxx also argues the trial court erroneously allowed the state's prostitution expert to "inject. . . Race into the. . . Trial," thereby violating her Fourteenth Amendment due process right to a fair trial.

At trial, the state called a detective with the Sacramento Police Department to testify as a prostitution expert. During direct examination, the prosecutor asked the detective the meaning of the term "reckless eyeballing. " The detective explained that reckless eyeballing is "when a prostitute, who's working for a pimp looks at. . . Another black male in the eyes. " At that point, xxxxxx objected, argued the detective was "injecting race into the issue," and requested a mistrial. The prosecutor explained that the testimony gave context to the ad, which said "no black men. " The trial court overruled the objection and denied the request for a mistrial. The prosecutor then asked the detective to finish his answer, to which he stated: "Basically one of the main rules in. . . The pimping / prostitution lifestyle is that you don't look at another African American man. " The next day, xxxxx again requested a mistrial based on the detective's statements. After hearing argument, the court denied the request, but it later instructed the jury to disregard the detective's testimony on reckless eyeballing.

The Appeals court ruled based on all the other overwhelming evidence that this was harmless error.

"Reckless Eyeballing" is, essentially, the Jim Crow Law that led to the murder of Emmett Till in 1955. Any time a Black male looked directly in a white man's or white woman's eyes. Or any other behavior PERCEIVED as "disrespectful" and "forgetting your PLACE" was deemed punishable by beating and / or death.

[DavePHX]

Police having sex before arresting.

Since Scottsdale PD is having sex with prostitutes before arresting this case is timely.

Arizona Court of Appeals 6/26/2014 No. 2 CA-CR 2014-0122-PR.

Male convicted or a drug charge and sentenced to 11 years in prison. He sought post-conviction relief arguing in his petition that the state had failed to disclose exculpatory evidence in violation of Brady v. Maryland, 373 USA 83 (1963), specifically "impeachment information" related to an investigating detective's "discipline for misconduct," and that trial counsel was ineffective for failing to obtain the information via a public records request.

He attached to his petition documents showing that the detective had been disciplined for "the commencement of a sexual act with a. . . Prostitute" while undercover during a prostitution investigation. The incident occurred nearly six months after his arrest but before trial.

The Appeals Court rejected his argument:

Xxx has not demonstrated the evidence of the detective's later misconduct could have altered the verdict. Although xxx insists the detective's credibility was "central" to the issues decided at trial, he has not identified any testimony by the detective that was critical to his conviction.

Moreover, the evidence is of marginal impeachment value because it does not impugn the detective's character for truthfulness. He immediately self-reported the incident and there is no suggestion in the record that he omitted any facts or otherwise concealed the truth of his conduct. See Ariz. Are. Evid. 608 (b).

Dave notes at least as of a few years ago (Temple case) it is known that the State had to testify to the grand jury that no officers had sex with any defendants. This has been my understanding that it is "out of policy" in most police departments due to pubic policy. However, it may not be enough to get a case dismissed. It seems to be an issue at the County Attorney level for felony prostitution cases but may not apply in city courts.

However, we now have a Scottsdale police where there was sex with an escort before the arrest so we do not know the current policy.

I have also seen a "Brady" report of all the LE agencies in Maricopa County with list of officers that have been disciplined. However, it goes back decades? And doesn't show the cause. It is very lengthy. I didn't save a copy since didn't think that helpful for the Temple case.

[Boogaloo Sam]

You may have seen an article about this last week. The suspect, taken into custody a few days after, has since stated that the woman was a prostitute who "ripped him off" previously. Or at least that's what this somewhat sensationalized article states.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/12/08/phoenix-suitcase-body-found-details/20091795/

If you google the victims name you'll find her. I can't say she looks familiar to me.

Sam.

[Hiloc]

You may have seen an article about this last week. The suspect, taken into custody a few days after, has since stated that the woman was a prostitute who "ripped him off" previously. Or at least that's what this somewhat sensationalized article states.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/12/08/phoenix-suitcase-body-found-details/20091795/

If you google the victims name you'll find her. I can't say she looks familiar to me.

Sam.She used to post in the Women seeking Men section. You worked at Alaskan Bush a long while back. If you google her number you will find more ads.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/sexy-little-italian-ready-4-u-pics-taken-right-now/30569300

Very sad. Thanks for sharing.

[Member #4210]

For a while since my last account was buggered up and I could not recall my password and all to get into it, I have been meaning to sign up again. I have been on the Guide for a long time in many forms and shapes. While I appear to be a newby, I have PM'd many of you in the past exchanging info and lending support.

I adopted my handle out of respect & support for Dave and his many rich and informative posts. I know his posts and the details have irked a few but I find they keep me informed and thinking.

So, if I PM you displaying previous knowledge, don't get spooked. We've shared some good info and in this day and age it's great to get support!

Thank you!

[Bubba1979]

Merry Christmas fellow mongers! Couple items of interest that I will attempt to throw in one report.

1. Marny. To some of you long time mongers this name will ring a bell. Never got to see her and that nagging feeling won't seem to go away. Anyways, looks like she is serving up some "Texas Sized" Fun in Austin now.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ITGGg9IaHO0J:austin.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/do-not-call-me-for-a-massage/10556031+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us.

2. "Latina with the right touch". (Ophelia Backpage).

Came across an ad from out of state which might prove interesting to some of you who debate whether she is completely legit or not. Seniors PM for that info.

3. Craiglist Casual Encounters. Have been having excellent success as of late using this tool. I have found that the more bizarre the ad for women the better. I posted vanilla ad's before and got minimal hits. After adding strange twists the fish started biting. Things like you must wear a pink dress when we meet or I plan on sharing you with friends whenever I want. Believe it not it works. Still am amazed that they put real email addresses on the responses. A quick Google shows everything about them and their lives. A good idea is to incorporate things that they say they like on Facebook into your schtick. I. E. "Yes. I work at the animal rescue on weekends. " It's Gold.

That's all for now. Happy Holidays from Ol Bubba!

[Danimal Forth]

The prostitutes, Sellers said, are smart. "They've been arrested before and they want to make sure we aren't police officers,' he said. "There's a line we can't cross and don't cross so it's like verbal Judo with us trying to convince them we're not police. ".

That's what led to the physical harassment charge against one of the women. It's a tactic to discover police because the women know the officers' boundaries. "If they reach down and try to grab, we're going to stop them and take them to jail,' he said. "We just stop when that happens. ".

While many will argue that prostitution shouldn't be a crime, that no one is getting hurt, Sellers said that couldn't be farther from the truth. "There are a lot of other crimes associated with escorts,' he said. "They deal in cash. They don't trust police. Not only is what they are doing illegal, these girls are easy targets for robbery. ".

Johns also are sometimes targeted for robbery. "We're trying to stop the crime,' he said, "and we're trying to stop the criminal element for preying on them. ".

This is from an article posted at http://www.al.com about the recent arrest of six ladies. I didn't want to violate forums rules by posting directly.

[Azmixer]

Police sting Glendale at comforts suites 99 the and camelaback using a back page ad with a 669 area code woman named toni.

[Jamesj]

For a while since my last account was buggered up and I could not recall my password and all to get into it, I have been meaning to sign up again. I have been on the Guide for a long time in many forms and shapes. While I appear to be a newby, I have PM'd many of you in the past exchanging info and lending support.

I adopted my handle out of respect & support for Dave and his many rich and informative posts. I know his posts and the details have irked a few but I find they keep me informed and thinking.

So, if I PM you displaying previous knowledge, don't get spooked. We've shared some good info and in this day and age it's great to get support!

Thank you!What was your previous handle?

Thanks JAMESJ.

[DavePHX]

Canada. If only local LE in the USA Had as much sense.

Local police are not buying the all prostitutes are victims even if they don't know it scam.

12/12/2014 - The new Canadian law probably will not be widely enforced since city and probably Provincial Attorney Generals don't want to waste police resources going after customers of prostitutes under the new law.

Criminal laws in Canada are Federal but Provinces bring actions and up to the discretion of local police what crimes to go after. Many local police have stated they are not concerned about private consenting adult prostitution, unless there is some "real" safety issue involved.

The Ontario Attorney General is reviewing the new law in light of the Supreme Court tossing all the old laws for sexworkers safety. So the Conservatives in Parliament made sexworkers "safe" by making providing prostitution legal (is it basically always has except for incalls or street solicitation). But illegal to be a customer.

If the Ontario review finds that the new laws may diminish the safety of sex workers and have little impact on community safety — two issues that the Supreme Court cited in coming to its conclusions — Criminologist Kempa says the province may decide to direct policing resources elsewhere, since it wouldn't see the law as assisting justice and safety.

The Ontario attorney general's office said it can't estimate when the review will be completed.

Kempa's research indicates that police forces in North America and Western Europe tend not to see prostitution laws as important for community safety.

That shows in the prostitution-related crime stats, which have been very steady for 50 years, despite many changes in the laws.

He says police forces don't aggressively enforce those laws, but use them as a law of convenience, to move along troublesome people, for example.

And since charging johns, now law-breakers by definition, would clog up an already over-strained court system, Kempa, who is seeking a federal Liberal nomination in Scarborough, Ont. , suggests that "prosecutors and the police will probably choose not to act on most of those new laws. They don't have the capacity. ".

All that leaves opponents of the new laws with a dilemma.

Although he says "this law may just self-implode on its own," Young (Attorney that won at the Supreme Court saying the law against incalls and living of the avils was unconstitutional) says it would be sounder if provinces declare they aren't enforcing the law because, in their view, it violates constitutional rights.

That would still leave the law on the books. To get it to another Supreme Court challenge would take five to six years even if a charge were laid right away, Young estimates.

Without charges, there aren't many opportunities to challenge a law in court.

While noting that there are ways to fast-track a challenge, Young expresses uncertainty about taking that path.

"Sometimes you have to look at the law in action to see what the flaw is," and to gather the evidence for a court challenge, Young points out. That could take several years.

If police forces are reluctant to enforce the new laws, that may mean the main criticism of the new law — that sex workers will be forced to ply their trade in unsafe venues — may not happen.

Still, you could get a handful of officers in certain jurisdictions who might aggressively enforce these laws, Kempa says, so sex workers and their johns are still taking a gamble.

For Young, however, he would like to see what he considers the constitutional deficiency of the law addressed in court, or the government to change it.

Until then, he fears that it could be enforced "at the discretion or whim of the police," something that can change at any time.

With about 400 reader comments within a few hours of article posted example:

"Trying to stop something that has taken place for thousands of years. Brilliant. Completely unnecessary intrusion into peoples lives. We don't need morality laws when the people involved are consenting adults. Another result of moralizing Christian Conservatives trying to prevent civilization from progressing, no different than Islamic Fundamentalist. ".

"How can it be illegal to buy something if it is legal to sell it?

"Any law limiting the freedoms of consenting adults to free speech and association is a bad one. It is not the government's business to "get people out" or "address the root causes" of a victimless arrangement two adults voluntarily enter into. No amount of laws will ever do away with man's biological need to have sex. ".

Full article at http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/new-prostitution-laws-unlikely-to-be-challenged-soon-legal-experts-say-1.2870523.

[Member #4210]

She used to post in the Women seeking Men section. You worked at Alaskan Bush a long while back. If you google her number you will find more ads.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/sexy-little-italian-ready-4-u-pics-taken-right-now/30569300

Very sad. Thanks for sharing.Can anyone tell the perps ethnicity? Country of origin? Citizenship?

[Member #5432]

Here is an interesting opinion piece on the overpolicing of sex, that touches upon a variety of issues, including sexworkers:

"Rape and sexual assault often do not get the police attention they deserve in the United States, whether on college campuses, in the military or in major American cities. This isn't arguable.

But sex is also vastly overpoliced in this country, and this ought to concern us, too. The combination of steroidal law enforcement, Puritan fear of the genitalia and a constant need for political scapegoats has led to ferocious police overreach on sex. The consequences are neither moral nor just. In fact, they're frequently horrific. . ".

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/12/sex-police-crimesoffendersregistry.html

[Member #5432]

In light of the recent murder, I thought I'd share this insightful piece from the perspective of a (former) working girl:

"Sex workers are often portrayed as helpless, lacking agency and in need of rescue. But most sex workers resent these characterizations, pointing out that even though they need more labor protections and economic security, they're capable of organizing and fighting for those rights.

Even individuals with experiences in the sex trades who don't consider themselves workers — individuals who are struggling to free themselves from the industry, not organizing to attain rights in it — resent being viewed as criminals or victims instead of full human beings. ".

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/12/a-day-to-respectandunderstandsexworkers.html

[DavePHX]

Media Advisory: Press Conference. Arizona Human Sex Trafficking Meeting.

Dave notes, if anyone goes to hear all the lies about sex trafficking, the bogus studies, I'd appreciate any reporting. HUGE money coming in to arrest mostly consenting adults under the excuse of "child sex trafficking".

Tucson media releases reporting efforts to "rescue" sex workers: "New sex trafficking legislation is set to be presented to the Arizona House of Representatives by Rep. Victoria Steele. According to officials the average age a girl enters prostitution in the United States is 13; in Tucson and Phoenix it is 15. This legislation could be introduced to the house in as early as two weeks.

The Arizona Police Academy will begin new training related to sex trafficking this month. (Phone operators, drivers, web site owners and customers may be considered "sex traffickers" if encourage prostitution even if consenting adults).

Phoenix Media Release 1/5/2015.

What:

Arizona elected leaders, joined by Cindy McCain, Polaris, and Clear Channel Outdoor will discuss human trafficking in the Phoenix metropolitan area. The estimated $150 billion industry forces approximately 20.9 million people worldwide to live in modern day slavery; many are oppressed or held captive for labor or sex slavery in Arizona. Human trafficking is often associated in public consciousness with large sporting events. The partners in the campaign are using the focus on Phoenix as host of the nation's biggest sporting event to elevate the attention to a year-long dialogue that moves the needle on bringing traffickers to justice and victims to freedom.

Polaris, the McCain Institute and Clear Channel Outdoor will reveal and launch a dual-pronged bilingual anti-human trafficking public service campaign to both help victims get help to freedom and to encourage citizens to report suspicious activity. The campaign will promote the National Human Trafficking Resource Center Hotline.

Who:

Cindy McCain, Co-Chair, Arizona Human Trafficking Council and Chair of Human Trafficking Advisory Council, The McCain Institute for International Leadership at ASU.

Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich.

Mayor of Phoenix, Greg Stanton.

Carolyn Jones, StreetLightUSA.

Bradley Myles, Executive Director and CEO, Polaris.

Diane Veres, President, Clear Channel Outdoor -- Arizona.

When:

Wednesday, January 7, 2015.

10:00 am – 10:30 am.

Where:

602 East Grant Street.

Phoenix, AZ 85004.

KVOA News 4 Tucson 1/5/2015 reports.

Tucson has one of the highest child runaway rates in the country. A third of runaway girls are approached by a sex trafficker within 48 hours. According to TPD 15 teenagers have been rescued in the past two years. (Dave notes and probably hundreds of consenting adults. Typically arrests are at least 90% consenting adults in FBI stats before they stopped publishing totals and just reported "rescues" of teenagers.

A Tucson man whose daughter was forced into trafficking is making it his mission to prevent this from happening to others. Jerry P. Wants to end sex trafficking through education and his non-profit Sold No More. He says the average age of victims in Southern Arizona is just 13 years old. "This is an under the table hidden crime," says P. "My daughter was sex trafficked in Tucson 27 years ago, so this is not new. ".

Human sex trafficking is a $9. 8 billion business in the USA.

During a sporting event like the upcoming Super Bowl near Phoenix, girls can be sold to as many as 45 buyers in a night.

Aimee G. With Codac Behavioral Health Services says, "It's not uncommon at all, and it's going to follow where the business is, where the demand is, is where the pimps are going to take their prostitutes. ".

Within the last six months 120 Tucson Police officers and detectives have shown up for voluntary training.

[NorthScotts2]

I know some of my fellow forum members in this forum here may have some insight on this so I thought I'd ask here. I also posted this in the Other Az section of the forum but that is pretty limited in attendance. I'm looking for some guidance so please forgive me if this is not the proper place to ask. I'm not a member in the international forum so I am hoping someone here might have an opinion or insight.

I'm making a trip to southern Cali and want to make a stop over at one of the border towns for a little site seeing and companionship. I will be arriving in the Yuma area around 6 pm on a Thursday evening. I'm trying to decide if I should go to either Algodones or Mexicali. I Plan on 2-3 hours for my travel break. Which town would fit this criteria:

1. Ease of access to the gentlemans clubs when crossing from US.

2. Best looking and performing talent for the money.

3. Safety and least hassle from the girls / doorman, least likely to run into upsells / overcharging.

4. Best pharmacy for prices and authentic blue pill.

Any help is greatly appreciated and if you think there is anything else that Is important to know, I appreciate the input.

[DontKnowMe19]

Okay, here we go. If confused by the title, I'm in search for some asian ladies. I use to visit the Thai girls but missing them dearly. Anyone have hints or any info on some asian ladies? PM is fine or any input would be great. Thanks in advance.

[DavePHX]

Canada no enforcement of the new law vs. Arizona gone wild Canada legal is harm reduction vs. AZ save them by arresting them.

The new law is seen as nothing but a political stunt of the Harper Conservative Christian federal government. They have zero say whether or not local police enforce the law. Most if not all Provincial Premiers are against the law but so far no one has referred back to the Supreme Court of Canada (that tossed out all prior prostitution laws since LEGAL prostitution reduces harm.).

Victoria B.C.. Has been quite clear will not enforce with consenting adults. An escort says, "Victoria police are openly against the bill. They have told me personally that there is "nothing to worry about" and that "nothing is going to change. ".

"VPD are very familiar with the sex trade, know where the problems are and are NOT interested in doing stings or changing enforcement to adapt to the new law. And I believe a statement to that effect was recently released by the VPD.

"The cops aren't prohibitionist, puritanical or ideological. They know what's going on, have a clear channel of communication and outreach with the SPs in the city and aren't into advancing the political agenda of the pinheads that pushed for the "Nordic model" bullshit. ".

As I have noted before, there are large agency brothels on the main street of downtown Victoria, where police visit only to be sure workers have city escort license and not underaged. They had no interest in enforcing the old bawdy house law where incalls were illegal.

Toronto police had very strong statement about protecting sexworkers but has not as far as I can tell made any statements about enforcing against customers.

So far there appear to be no arrests related to consenting adults only "real" trafficking cases or underaged.

Canada's Prime Minister election is 10/19/2015. Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has been leading in the polls for most of this past year. But what will an election year bring? As in the USA Harper's conservative party is more for the wealthy with the Liberal and NDP party more seeking to help the middle class. The conservatives have a huge advantage in campaign spending.

Reports are that either the Liberal or NDP party would be on the side of repealing C36 vs. Harpers Conservative party.

After the Supreme Court of Canada upheld the Ontario Supreme Court declaring these laws unconstitutional based on "harm reduction" the political hacks of Harper with almost no input from well-organized sex worker groups got new law (C36) making customers illegal. Many lawyers believe this will also be held unconstitutional but have to get to the Supreme Court again.

All just the opposite of USA "save the prostitute" nonsense based on fake studies and lies. In Canada, it's a human rights issue and harm reduction by making prostitution totally legal.

As a large Toronto adult body rub (Muse) owner (female) says:

"It is worth remembering that here in the GTA the previous law was very seldom enforced except in cases where there were more serious things going on than merely the offer / purchase of intimate services. Or when a place had truly become a conspicuous nuisance in a bad location (Sandhurst, Korean Heaven.).

"So, something other than the legislation would need to change significantly in order for us to experience enforcement any differently here. Otherwise there is good reason to hope that enforcement will be done in the way we're already used to. That is, C36 being a tool with which to clobber those in the industry who have run afoul of LE in some other way (like, something that actually should be a crime) .

"That doesn't mean we should be satisfied or complacent about the C36 situation. It still needs to be opposed and undercut for many reasons, chiefly the safety and conditions for providers as well as the fundamental freedom issue of people governing their own bodies. But it does not by itself mean a change in the risk of clients being charged. ".

Body rubs have never charged for the hand job; it's just is a routine "happy ending. " No big deal and no tips or fee expected other than the rate for the time or my favorite "nude reverse". Likewise, the huge escort agencies have also sold time not sex to avoid the prior living of avails law (now declared unconstitutional).

As I have pointed out before, Our Ms. Farley's friend of the court brief was totally dismissed as false research by the Supreme Court of Ontario. Her fake research is the basis for all the grants and funding to "save prostitutes" in the USA By arresting them.

Other Canadian commenter's say:

Eventually, this new law will be struck down by the courts, and the world's oldest profession will again carry on as it always has, perhaps with even greater freedom to do so. Such is the cyclical nature of our "love / hate" relationship with sex, born of Western Judaeo-Christian ethics.

[Slider42]

Okay, here we go. If confused by the title, I'm in search for some asian ladies. I use to visit the Thai girls but missing them dearly. Anyone have hints or any info on some asian ladies? PM is fine or any input would be great. Thanks in advance.Search BP Escorts for NURU. There are some in Tempe working together that may please your appitite for yellow. I didn't take on nuru but did enjoy running all bases in a baseball game with a pretty one.

[DavePHX]

Club Lace Update was at 2828 W Weldon.

Another of the 7 indicted found and arrested. Lola was arraigned on 1/7/2015 with the usual felonies; 2 counts illegal control of enterprise, 1 count money laundering, 3 counts of conceal proceeds from money laundering, all class 3 felonies and 1 count of prostitution. As of 1/7/2015 she is in jail on $27,000 bond.

1 left that arrest warrant has not yet found.

Previously Christina age 31 sentenced to 1-year in prison with credit for 189 days incarceration awaiting trial on a plea deal for Facilitation of a Criminal Enterprise. Class 6 felony. The other charges including resisting arrest were dismissed in the plea deal.

Christina was alleged to have recruited women from strip clubs. Stage name was Selena. Lacy age 40 at the time of the raid in May 2014 alleged of taking 40% cut in payments for sex acts. The investigation began in 2011 after a customer complained to police that he was offered a sex act. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/05/30/woman-arrested-for-recruiting-prostitutes-valley-club/9770009/.

Separate civil action seems complete with a judgment for forfeiture of Lacy's 2004 Ford F150.

Pretrial conference 2/12 but these always get sometimes delayed more than a year.

Is designated a "complex case" and Office of Public Defense (OPD) attorneys for those that can not afford their own, like Temple and most felony cases do not use regular public defenders but private lawyers that are paid nominal fee (about $1500) per case no matter how long it continues or how complicated.

In December.

Order to take physical evidence from Adam.

Robert allowed to travel out of State.

Cary pretrial conference continued since his attorney was not available.

Next Dates.

Case management conference for 2/10 and an initial pretrial conference on 2/12 which usually keeps getting continued until firm trial date maybe in a year or so.

[DavePHX]

The John's School of the horrors of sexwork proposed by the Phoenix Human Trafficking Task Force.

1/12/2015 - ABC 15 News. Heath risks, integrity and legal risks of hiring a sexworker. Expecting a spike in "high-end" prostitution especially on the Internet with the Super bowl.

Interviews Dr. Jon M, who teaches Johns School who says, "it spreads if not put in check. " "The number one reason, you should care, is because women are dying. ".

New proposal also will eliminate the officer's choice for either a sexworker or john to just ticket or book into jail. All would have to be booked and see a judge before they would be released.

Voting on the proposal by Phoenix could come by the end of January.

[Member #5432]

Here is the link to the article that DavePHX discusses below: http://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/other/phoenix-prostitution-law-changes-possible-for-super-bowl-visitors.

The comments of "Dr. Jon" are hilarious at best and so out of touch with reality, as are the attitudes and understandings of our beloved politicians who waste so much tax-payers money making up these idiotic laws.

Stay safe,

RW.

[Stomp2]

With the Super Bowl just a few weeks away we can expect a lot of changes on how we hobby. LE will be out in force cracking done on Johns and providers. A lot of new providers will be in town over the next several weeks. Expect an increase in donations as some providers will milk it for all its worth. Some providers will will increase there donations to offset the increase in hotel rates the next several weeks with the game in town. Also higher increase of being rip-off. So be careful out there, watch you backs and your wallets!

[Cousintim]

Don't buy the hype you're reading: Look at the facts.

Phoenix hosted the big game in 2008. Police there said they received similar warnings about an increase in prostitution and prepared for it, but never uncovered any evidence of a spike in illegal sexual activity.

Phoenix police spokesman Sergeant Tommy Thompson, Phoenix, Arizona (2008) "We did not notice an increase or anything out of the ordinary. We may have had certain precincts that were going gangbusters looking for prostitutes, but they were picking up your everyday street prostitutes. " "They didn't notice any sort of glitch in the number of prostitution arrests leading up to the Super Bowl. ".

Tampa hosted the Super Bowl in 2009. A police spokeswoman there said officers there made 11 prostitution arrests during the entire week leading up to the game. Said Tampa police spokeswoman Andrea Davis: "We didn't see a huge influx in prostitutes coming into Tampa. The arrests were not a lot higher. They were almost the same. ".

Miami police said they arrested 14 for prostitution.

Those figures are not uncommon for large cities during a seven-day period.

However, since 2010 the number of prostitution-related arrests did go up, but the trafficking numbers remain minute.

In 2011, during the Dallas Super Bowl, 59 people were arrested for crimes relating to prostitution, 46 of whom were locally based sex workers; and only two of those arrests involved trafficking. (Before the big event it was estimated that it would bring in as many as 38,000 trafficked girls.).

In 2012, Indiana saw 68 prostitution-related arrests, two of which were confirmed to involve human trafficking.

New Orleans saw the arrest of 85 people, two of whom received trafficking charges.

The increase in internet ads increase three fold, not by the increase of new workers (though there are some) but by the increase of multiple postings of the regulars girls in the area.

In short: Don't get your panties in a twist and do what you always do: Play it safe and carry on.

[BeenTher]

Don't buy the hype you're reading: Look at the facts.

Phoenix hosted the big game in 2008. Police there said they received similar warnings about an increase in prostitution and prepared for it, but never uncovered any evidence of a spike in illegal sexual activity.

Phoenix police spokesman Sergeant Tommy Thompson, Phoenix, Arizona (2008) "We did not notice an increase or anything out of the ordinary. We may have had certain precincts that were going gangbusters looking for prostitutes, but they were picking up your everyday street prostitutes. " "They didn't notice any sort of glitch in the number of prostitution arrests leading up to the Super Bowl. ".

Tampa hosted the Super Bowl in 2009. A police spokeswoman there said officers there made 11 prostitution arrests during the entire week leading up to the game. Said Tampa police spokeswoman Andrea Davis: "We didn't see a huge influx in prostitutes coming into Tampa. The arrests were not a lot higher. They were almost the same. ".

Miami police said they arrested 14 for prostitution.

Those figures are not uncommon for large cities during a seven-day period.

However, since 2010 the number of prostitution-related arrests did go up, but the trafficking numbers remain minute.

In 2011, during the Dallas Super Bowl, 59 people were arrested for crimes relating to prostitution, 46 of whom were locally based sex workers; and only two of those arrests involved trafficking. (Before the big event it was estimated that it would bring in as many as 38,000 trafficked girls.).

In 2012, Indiana saw 68 prostitution-related arrests, two of which were confirmed to involve human trafficking.

New Orleans saw the arrest of 85 people, two of whom received trafficking charges.

The increase in internet ads increase three fold, not by the increase of new workers (though there are some) but by the increase of multiple postings of the regulars girls in the area.

In short: Don't get your panties in a twist and do what you always do: Play it safe and carry on.Cousintim's last sentence sums it up and states what we should be doing in the hobby 24/7 anyway.

The following simple math from Phoenix metro demographics and demographics from the 2013 New Orleans Super Bowel.

These are rough numbers but anyway you cut it; Come on Man.

Stadium seating = 64000. (Sure some people come and don't go to the game. But the numbers still tell the story).

75% from out of area=48000.

60% no kids with them=28800.

66%male=19008.

40% between 35-49 yo (general monger age I'd say, and consider that metro phoenix male over 18 yo is 35% 7603.

So we have say 7700 potential new customers.

As mentioned metro Phoenix male over 18 is 35% of a 3. 3 mil population=1. 2 mil.

So the potential John population is increasing by less then 1%.

[Ralf511]

With out calls being so touch and go, what do you all think (including providers) about going to a personal resident? Bad idea? I know about the recent robbery but telling someone you have a safe with lots of cash in it is always a bad idea!!

Just trying to get everyone's opinions on experiences good and bad with providers coming to your house.

[Cousintim]

Not a chance! Once they know where you live they have you by the short curlies.

Think of it like this:

They need money, come to your house.

Need a new TV, come to your house.

Need someone to talk too *sniffle, snort, boohoo*. Come to your house.

Kid needs new clothes and toys for Christmas. Come to you house (whether you're home or not.).

Now granted, there are those special loved ones that we share are deepest darkest secrets with while cuddle up after coitus eruptus. And they are more than welcome in our homes, but geees not Thelma Funkybottom from BP who's pulled more train than the Orange Blossom Special.

And if you have roommate / s, spouses, SO's. Then you might as well introduce them to Ms. Thelma before she leaves cause she's going to get to know them someday anyway. Have you not heard of the "internet" and all the stuff you can find about a person? Once someone has your address you might as well give them your shoe and underwear size.

But that's just my thoughts. But go ahead, TOFTT. But we want to hear about it before we read about it in the newspaper.


With out calls being so touch and go, what do you all think (including providers) about going to a personal resident? Bad idea? I know about the recent robbery but telling someone you have a safe with lots of cash in it is always a bad idea!!

Just trying to get everyone's opinions on experiences good and bad with providers coming to your house.

[Stomp2]

Not a chance! Once they know where you live they have you by the short curlies.

Think of it like this:

They need money, come to your house.

Need a new TV, come to your house.

Need someone to talk too *sniffle, snort, boohoo*. Come to your house.

Kid needs new clothes and toys for Christmas. Come to you house (whether you're home or not.).

Now granted, there are those special loved ones that we share are deepest darkest secrets with while cuddle up after coitus eruptus. And they are more than welcome in our homes, but geees not Thelma Funkybottom from BP who's pulled more train than the Orange Blossom Special.

And if you have roommate / s, spouses, SO's. Then you might as well introduce them to Ms. Thelma before she leaves cause she's going to get to know them someday anyway. Have you not heard of the "internet" and all the stuff you can find about a person? Once someone has your address you might as well give them your shoe and underwear size.

But that's just my thoughts. But go ahead, TOFTT. But we want to hear about it before we read about it in the newspaper.I only do outcall when I am out of town and have a hotel room. I know some guys that do outcall on a regular basis at their own residence but they are single and only use well reviewed, reputable providers. Do your homework. There are many providers out there that will make you outcall visit a pleasurable one!

[Cousintim]

Stomp2 I agree, Outcalls can be quite pleasurable when I'm traveling and staying at a hotel. And in fact, I prefer them when I'm out town, but my name is not stamped on the mailbox outside.

And like you said, there are some single, unattached guys who bring in a well reviewed and vetted provider and I'd be all for that but for one thing: Life situations change, both for you and the provider.

Two weeks after your last nookie night with Thelma you find the love of your life at some grocery store. You invite her over or dinner. Unbeknownst to you the provider finds herself pregnant from bad pack of condoms. Who does she turn too? And the next thing you know you hear a knock at the door while you're in the kitchen with the woman of your dreams.

And what about the well reviewed, reputable provider who at one time was the talk of the board, gets tired of all the crap she has to deal with and the next thing you know she shoots her live in boyfriend and ends up spilling her woos to the investigator at the precinct. And instead of the pregnant woman knocking at your door, it's Barney Fife. (Tulsa news a few years back).

One of the reasons we use alias on this board is to create a separation between real life and hobby life. Besides, we all know that all our postings are just a bunch of lies. I like it like that.

The hobby is risky enough at it is. And when the original poster asked about a provider coming to his PERSONAL RESIDENCE therefore piercing that veil of separation, it just magnifies the risk ten fold. And with all the unknown variable out there and the desire to keep my hobby and real life as far apart as possible: I'm not convinced.


I only do outcall when I am out of town and have a hotel room. I know some guys that do outcall on a regular basis at their own residence but they are single and only use well reviewed, reputable providers. Do your homework. There are many providers out there that will make you outcall visit a pleasurable one!

[Chilly Willy]

One of the reasons we use alias on this board is to create a separation between real life and hobby life. An alias? Not me. This is my full legal name. I used to be famous.

[DavePHX]

What 'sex trafficking' really means.

Huge report by The Arizona Republic for wide distribution.

Almost all adult sexworkers were "trafficked" into prostitution as a child. All the usual using 1 in 100 of real trafficked child cases to apply it to all prostitution.

Report full of usual lies to get folks to support stopping all prostitution to "save" the sexworker even if she doesn't realize she is a victim. Since all prostitutes are victims whether consenting adults or not, in their idiotic views.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/life/az-narratives/2015/01/17/what-sex-trafficking-really-means/21939797/

[Stomp2]

Stomp2 I agree, Outcalls can be quite pleasurable when I'm traveling and staying at a hotel. And in fact, I prefer them when I'm out town, but my name is not stamped on the mailbox outside.

And like you said, there are some single, unattached guys who bring in a well reviewed and vetted provider and I'd be all for that but for one thing: Life situations change, both for you and the provider.

Two weeks after your last nookie night with Thelma you find the love of your life at some grocery store. You invite her over or dinner. Unbeknownst to you the provider finds herself pregnant from bad pack of condoms. Who does she turn too? And the next thing you know you hear a knock at the door while you're in the kitchen with the woman of your dreams.

And what about the well reviewed, reputable provider who at one time was the talk of the board, gets tired of all the crap she has to deal with and the next thing you know she shoots her live in boyfriend and ends up spilling her woos to the investigator at the precinct. And instead of the pregnant woman knocking at your door, it's Barney Fife. (Tulsa news a few years back).

One of the reasons we use alias on this board is to create a separation between real life and hobby life. Besides, we all know that all our postings are just a bunch of lies. I like it like that.

The hobby is risky enough at it is. And when the original poster asked about a provider coming to his PERSONAL RESIDENCE therefore piercing that veil of separation, it just magnifies the risk ten fold. And with all the unknown variable out there and the desire to keep my hobby and real life as far apart as possible: I'm not convinced.Anyway you look at it, there is risk whether you do outcall, incall, or picking someone off the street.

Say you decide to do outcall when you are out of town on business. The body of that provider that visited you was found in a dumpster a day or two later. Her name and face makes the front page and the 6 o'clock news. The maid at the hotel thinks she remember seeing her at the hotel you were at. She contacts the local authorities and they check the surveillance cameras of the hotel and they notice the provider in the hallway camera going into a room, the same room you were in. LE checks the hotel records and get credit card and license information that is stamped with you name on it! Next thing you know LE is knocking on your door at home! Most hotels today require a CC and license to reserve and check into a hotel.

Say the same thing happen to a SW you picked up. A fellow SW remembers seeing her getting into a car and tells LE a general time and description of the vehicle. They check the ADOT cameras and see a vehicle matching the same description and around the same time going thru an intersection. They get the license plate on the vehicle and next thing you know LE is knocking at your door!

What I write is a worst case scenario and probably won't happen, just the same as you write!

We all know the risks involved for us hobbyist. We just have to be careful to reduce the the risks!

[Matrix Neo]

I think this girl has some potential. I haven't tried her out. Honestly, I didn't know she was one of these girls wanting a "generous" guy until I googled her phone number. If any of you want to check her out, look for her name and 619 area code on BP.

[DavePHX]

Phoenix Manifestation Law UPHELD on appeal. Can not ask if a police officer, ask to disrobe etc. That itself is manifestation of prostitution.

Monica lost the challenge of the manifestation law. Asking if a cop was upheld as illegal under the Phoenix law as well as other actions suggesting you are prostitute.

Phoenix code sec 23-52 was upheld which makes it illegal for a "person inquires whether a potential patron, procurer or prostitute is a police officer or searches for articles that would identify a police officer; or that the person requests the touching or exposure of genitals or female breast. ".

Court was correct in not allowing a jury trial.

On two other issues the case is remanded to the City Court for a retrial.

1) Court erred in considering her potential punishment in assessing her credulity. This denied her a fair trial.

3) Defendant did not object when her prior convictions were entered in evidence. Upon new trial she will be able to object and the trial court will be able to review and make an informed ruling on the admissibility of that evidence.

Regarding the manifestation law the court sited many other cases upholding the law in question. As a result "both this court and the trial court are bound by the decision of the Arizona Supreme Court in Angle; approved, State v Miranda and disapproving decision of court of appeals (in Cutright). Similarly, both this court and the trial court are bound by the decisions of the Arizona Court of Appeals and have no authority to overrule, modify or disregard them. ".

The Amicus Brief (of ACLU) raises additional issues never presented to the trial court. Because the trial court was never asked to rule on those issues, there is no ruling of the trial court for this Court to assess. This Court therefore will not give an advisory opinion on the issue never raised.

Dave notes there was no evidence of any discrimination for being TS that the ACLU tried to argue. Monica in fact approached the officer because he was "cute" according to her testimony.

Conclusions:

1) Guilty judgement of Phoenix Municipal Court reversed.

2) Matter remanded to the Phoenix Municipal Court for a new trial.

Ruling filed in Superior Court on 1/26/2015 at 8:00 AM.

[DontKnowMe19]

Although I am all for getting pimps out, I don't truly agree with that tactics of LE.

http://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/feds-teaming-up-with-valley-police-to-crack-down-on-pimping-human-sex-trafficking

[DavePHX]

Although I am all for getting pimps out, I don't truly agree with that tactics of LE.
http://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/feds-teaming-up-with-valley-police-to-crack-down-on-pimping-human-sex-traffickingRemember in Phoenix pimping includes someone helping an escort with phone calls, a driver or someone providing security. Sex trafficking includes customers. Probably 90%+ of arrests are consenting adults.

One recently got busted off of P411 from it seems a mole. The big uptick in arrests is great for funding and media hype but most of it is private consenting adults that has nothing to do with "sex trafficking" by force etc but under AZ law a website owner who "encourages" consenting adult sex work is a sex trafficker. Most of it is local gals that have nothing to do with the Superbowl, although we have seen an increase in high-end individual (not agencies but independent escort) advertising often $500+/ hour. Again all consenting adults but consenting or not it goes into the stats for sex trafficking and anyone who assists for safety etc is a pimp.

[Deb4512]

I'm against human trafficking obviously, but it's so annoying when they connect human trafficking with consensual adult activity and classify it all as human trafficking. Here's an article I found for your info.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/to-prevent-sex-trafficking-from-becoming-super-bowl-scourge--fbi-intensifies-law-enforcement-efforts---233808192.html

[AzPussyLicker]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/details-of-warren-sapp-s-arrest-on-assault-and-solicitation-of-prostitution-charges-004058660.html

[Jamesj]

TMZ Sports is reporting a former player of the Tampa Bay Bucs & NFL Network broadcaster was arrested for SOLICITING PROSTITUES (2 women) at a downtown.

Phoenix hotel at 7 AM today.

I don't think I'm permitted to mention his name.

Cannot get the TMZ SPORTS LINK to attach.

JAMESJ.

[Johndoe25]

That idiot never had any common sense.


TMZ Sports is reporting a former player of the Tampa Bay Bucs & NFL Network broadcaster was arrested for SOLICITING PROSTITUES (2 women) at a downtown.

Phoenix hotel at 7 AM today.

I don't think I'm permitted to mention his name.

Cannot get the TMZ SPORTS LINK to attach.

JAMESJ.

[DavePHX]

NOTICE OF PHOENIX HUMAN TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE PUBLIC MEETING.

Open to the General Public. Welcome reports if anyone goes. I don't have the time and not willing to speak with such a hostile anti-sexwork task force! I didn't realize when the meeting was until today.

Public Meeting: February 17,2015, at 9:30 am Located in Phoenix City Hall, 12th Floor, Central Conference Room, 200 W. Washington Street, Phoenix, Arizona.

First item: Considerations, discussion and concerns from the public.

Other items:

New task force appointments.

City of Phoenix code changes on booking "Johns" Presentation and discussion on the City of Phoenix code changes and mandatory booking.

The Office of USA Attorney will present on their efforts regarding Human Trafficking. Judge John xxxxxxx Assistant USA Attorney Christine xxxxr Assistant USA Attorney Krissa xxxxx.

Vice Mayor Jim xxxxxx, Chair.

I only found the meeting info after the KPHO article 2/16/2015:

Super Bowl sex trafficking efforts worth it, experts say.

After review to praise the arrests of prostitutes and Johns and probably how it has to continue.

Tuesday the Phoenix human trafficking task force will hold a meeting probably to rejoice on all the arrests.

Dream Center person Shane led an outreach with 350 volunteers contacting 2500 women on the street.

Dave notes why did FBI and police arrest non-street consenting adults that do not need rescuing?

22 were put into emergency housing (good if some were homeless).

16 minors were reported to LE to get them out of "that life".

22 Johns were arrested in Phoenix in the weeks leading up to the Superbowl. But these were from ads on backpage of LE setting up stings which were probably not related to street prostitution.

Dominique Roe-xxxxxxxz the had lead the anit-prostituition crusade for years says, "She and her team placed ads on backpage.com and said their research over the Super Bowl shows Phoenix is a larger buyer's market than they thought, and the solution is more complex than sending 'Johns' to jail right away. ".

"We know that anywhere that money and men combine and opportunity to buy sex, the people will do that, so how do we change that is really the question," Roe-xxxxxx.

The city's human trafficking task force will de-brief Tuesday morning, followed by the governor's task force on Wednesday. Both are open to the public. Roe-xxxxxx said next week she will be officially releasing details from their Super Bowl study.

Dave notes why can't real pimps that force women into prostitution be charged with kidnapping or sexual abuse? No, we have to have "sex trafficking" laws where based on past data about 90% of arrests are consenting adults who do not wish to be someones "rescue project".

[Jamesj]

Thanks Dave for keeping us posted on the latest "twisted" facts the authorities use to prohibit what 2 (or more) consenting adults enjoy.

For the record, I agree that all minors should be protected, or ANYONE FORCED into the profession.

Where was all the LAW enforcement when Priest were abusing children? Never heard about "TASK FORCES" then.

Talk about a repressed society we live in!

Keep up the vigil.

JAMEJ.

[DavePHX]

2/23/2015 - Phoenix Drops Charges Against Monica xxxx.

However, manifestation law stands.

The City of Phoenix dropped charges against transgender activist Monica xxxx Monday evening.

Xxxxxx was found guilty of manifesting prostitution last spring. In January, a Maricopa County Superior Court judge granted her a new trial because the court included evidence of a prior conviction.

Attorney J. Xxxxxxxx who represents Jones, said he's thrilled she won't be serving time for a crime she didn't commit.

"Our happiness is tempered by knowing the law is still on the books," he said. "I think Monica and all of us on her legal team regret the fact that the law wasn't taken off the books. ".

The Phoenix ordinance xxxx is referring to describes manifestation of prostitution as behavior like stopping passers-by, flagging down cars and asking people if they're cops.

Dave notes the case had absolutely nothing to do with her being Transsexual as was widely misrepresented. She has been terribly harassed at other times but she approached the cop in this case. I am very glad for Monica she won, but lets get the facts correct and not make it anything more than the manifestation law the city choose not to pursue.

[YoniLicker]

Someone is a lawyer?

If the person sitting behind the desk is a judge?

If the person trying to extort one to pleading to a lower offence is a prosicuter?

If you are at a street fair, can you ask if the person selling an item made it?

If someone is pan handling if they are homeless?

If you need help can you ask if someone that looks like a cop is a cop?

At night you get pulled over by a car with flashing lights. Can you ask if that person is a cop?

If someone knocks on your door and wakes you up Sunday morning, starts droning about being saved and thrusts pamphlets at you. Can you ask if they are LDS?

Can you ask if someone is a licensed contractor when one is looking for construction help?

If you go to a teacher parent meeting, can you ask if someone is a teacher?

If you meet a politician, can you ask if they are a crook!?

If you are introduced to someone who is called doctor, can you ask if he is a medical doctor?

From another view point, can you accuse someone of being a cop! If you ask are you either a cop or fireman, is that illegal?

More to the point can one simply say "Are you just an ass hole or are you a cop?

In Phoenix, can one ask if another person is drunk? A child molester?

If one says "I'm looking for a cop to provide off duty protection for me. Can you do that?" Is that illegal?

Can you ask someone if they are a legal citizen of the USA?

CAN YOU ASK SOMEONE IF THEY ARE TRANSGENDERED!?

Can you ask someone if they are a transgendered cop!

If one says "I hear all cops are just of average intelligence. Are you?

How about "Hey. You look like someone I went to school with that I heard joined the police force. Is that you?

"did we meet at the policeman's ball?"If they say no "Are you sure we didn't meet there, cause you were in uniform!

Or simply "Are you one of those dick heads that runs around busting consenting adults who have sex with each other?

"Are you one of those weirdos creeping around in people's bedrooms to make sure there isn't any gratuity exchanged?"more to the point, if no donation is ask for or given and the woman says "You are so fucking hot that I want to suck your dick right now and reaches for his zipper?" "My god you're handsome! I want you to eat my pussy RIGHT NOW! And starts taking clothing off"?

Or, simply start every meeting with the understanding that the woman will always say the donation is for my time, only my time, and nothing is going to happen between us. Then announce she needs a shower and ask if he'd like to wash her back or join her?

Huuuum? "Does where you work require you to lie and trick people as part of you job?

Sooner or later the absurdidty of what they have created is going to bite them in the ass! Imagine what they will have to do when some adult finally tells them NO! Of course you can't do that!! That's STUPID!! Now go back and make reparations and restitution to those you stole from!

[DavePHX]

Lawsuit Challenges Prostitution Law.

Dave notes, I have long discussed this idea which will probably go to the 9th Circuit eventually which includes Arizona. It is a declaratory action with plaintiffs with standing to bring such an action.

Does the right to privacy include the right to have consensual sex for money? A federal court is going to get to decide.

"American courts continue to recognize that private, consensual sexual activity is a fundamental liberty interest protected by the Fourteenth Amendment," the complaint states. "Yet when the private, consensual activity occurs as part of a voluntary commercial exchange between adults, the State prohibits the activity and deprives those adults of their Constitutional rights. ".

"The commercial exchange of private sexual activity between consenting adults hurts no one. As such, there is no compelling or legitimate governmental interest in its criminalization. ".

The lead attorney on the case is H. Louis xxx, who achieved national fame for defending the Contemporary Arts Center in Cincinnati against obscenity charges for displaying the works of Robert xxxxx.

On the surface, that may sound like a stretch. But like the War on Drugs, a growing number of experts think the War on (Commercial) Sex is a failure. And as the lawsuit points out, for much of the history of this country, prostitution was generally legal.

"For much of our nation's history," it states, "the commercial exchange of private sexual activity. Was not illegal, was widely accepted, and was, in fact, integral to our development. ".

California didn't outlaw prostitution until 1961.

3/4/2015 - At noon local time on Wednesday, the Erotic Service Providers Legal, Education, and Research Project ESPLERP filed a lawsuit against the attorney general of the state of California, as well as several district attorneys, in a case they say has the potential to decriminalize prostitution in Western states.

The plaintiffs allege that their constitutional rights have been violated by enforcement of California's prostitution law.

All of the plaintiffs are listed anonymously, using initials and a pseudonym. Three are former prostitutes who hope to work as prostitutes again in the Northern District of California, but fear arrest and prosecution. The fourth plaintiff, John Doe, is a disabled man who wishes to hire prostitutes in the Northern District of California. Together, they claim that enforcement of prostitution laws violates their constitutional rights to privacy, free speech, substantive due process right to earn a living, and freedom of association. They are asking for a declaration that California's prostitution statute is unconstitutional, an order prohibiting the defendants from enforcing the prostitution statute, and attorney fees.

The plaintiffs started working on the suit in 2008, when Proposition Kwhich would have decriminalized prostitution in San Franciscofailed to pass. In the aftermath of that setback, Maxine xxx, ESPLERP's president, wasn't sure what to try next. Margot xxxxx, who led COYOTE -Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics- in filing the court case that forced the decriminalization of prostitution in Rhode Island in 1980, told xx it would take a legal threat to overturn California's prostitution laws.

ESPLERP coalesced in 2010, became a 501 (c) 3 nonprofit in 2012, and begun fundraising. The group has raised over $30,000 on GoFundMe, and is currently crowdfunding more money for the court case, which attorney Gill xxxx says could go on for as long as five years.

Now that the case has been filed, the state could make a motion to dismiss, or it could go to trial. Xxx says the case will inevitably be contested until it reaches the US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. While that decision would ostensibly be tailored to California's prostitution law, it could be applied to other states' prostitution statutes through future cases under the Ninth Circuit's jurisdiction, which also includes Alaska, Montana, Idaho, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington state.

"Our case is being litigated because California's prostitution law discriminates against our free speech, our right to negotiate for our own labor and our own safe work conditions, our right to associate with each other, our right to equal protection under the law," she says.

According to the complaint, commercial sexual activity was integral to California's development, but was criminalized in 1961 for reasons of morality. While California's prostitution statute defines prostitution as physical contact, California courts have ruled that people can also be charged with prostitution for their words alone.

"There's a lot of benefit to the public to having these types of laws invalidated and to have our class of worker and customers, family members, and larger community enfranchised under the equal protection laws," xxxxxxx tells me.

At the heart of the argument, according to xxxxxx, the plaintiffs' attorney, are recent Supreme Court rulings on substantive due process. In Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned a law criminalizing anal sex in 2003, xxxx says the justices used "language that was really extraordinary, the kind of language you never hear from the Supreme Court, which was that [criminalizing anal sex] was wrong, it was wrong when it was originally ruled on, it is wrong now, it's always been wrong. In that case they said that the government could not use morality as a basis for regulating private consensual sexual activity."

xxxxxxxxx is representing ESPLERP along with civil rights attorneys Louis xxxxxxxx and Brian xxxxxxxxr. When asked why he took the case on, xxxxx told me, "I feel like sex workers are ostracized not only socially, but also under the law. To challenge laws that deny men and women sex workers protection of the law by criminalizing activity that is harmless is a pretty noble thing to do."

Though the case may seem like a long shot, Jessica xxxxxxx, an Equal Justice Works Fellow and staff attorney with the Women's Law Center of Maryland, told VICE, "I think the argument that solicitation laws violate free speech is a strong oneif a sex act does not have to occur for a prostitution arrest to be made, then you are, essentially, criminalizing speech. And with a lead attorney of Mr. xxxxx caliber on the case, I'd say the plaintiffs certainly have a shot at challenging the legality of California's laws!"

The complaint alleges that the plaintiffs have been severely and irreparably injured by the prostitution law, which has caused them "severe humiliation, emotional distress, pain, suffering, psychological harm, and stigma," along with the deprivation of their constitutional rights. Their only prayer for relief, they claim, is that the court find the prostitution law unconstitutional and prohibit the defendants from enforcing it.

"I have confidence that we'll prevail in the court," xxxxxxx says, "as we've seen other minority people get their rights sustained in the court system."

Follow the Erotic Service Providers Legal Education and Research Program on Twitter and follow their fundraising efforts on GoFundMe. http://www.gofundme.com/liberateliberate

Sources: http://www.vice.com/read/a-new-lawsuit-aims-to-decriminalize-prostitution-in-california-304

http://48hills.org/2015/03/03/lawsuit-seeks-to-throw-out-laws-against-sex-work/

[DavePHX]

CEASE with Police Grants in Phoenix.

Tougher police tactics stinging sex buyers.

CEASE, an acronym for Cities Empowered Against Sexual Exploitation, got its official start in Boston, Denver and Seattle with seven more cities including Portland, Chicago and Phoenix set to launch their own initiatives.

Increased stings the bulk of them online are part of the effort, known as the "Buyer Beware" program, which has an overall goal of decreasing local demand for prostitution by 20 percent in two years.

Another aspect of the effort includes using online ads that pop up when certain keywords for paid sex are entered into search engines, linking to information about prostitution-related penalties and about services for men who need help to stop buying sex.

"The Internet has caused an explosion" in sex buying, said Lina xxxxx, the founding director of the Massachusetts-based Demand Abolition, which is providing the $80,000 in funding each year of the two-year initiative in King County.

"The Internet has really made it risk-free to buyers. It's created a market that wasn't there before, men who wouldn't go on the street to encounter someone who was prostituting," xxx said. "They're comfortable on the computer, and with a couple clicks of a mouse, they can order someone up for sex. ".

But with an estimated 3. 5 percent of Seattle's adult male population soliciting sex online 8,806 of them on a single website in a recent 24-hour period alone, according to researchers from Arizona State University most sex buyers never get caught, xxxxxx said. If they are arrested, he said, it's usually after they've already purchased sex, sometimes dozens or hundreds of times.

With the number of men looking to buy sex so much greater than the number of women selling sex, police and prosecutors, in concert with city attorneys across the county, are already working to flip arrest and prosecution numbers around.

"People think (sex buyers) are just some poor schmoes looking for sex. A lot of people forget how much risk these girls endure and they do get robbed and raped and beaten on a regular basis," xxxxxxxxx said.

Perhaps most ambitiously, the local "Buyer Beware" program is also aimed at attacking the ambivalence many people feel about prostitution and the harms caused by the sex trade.

"This is not a crime because it involves sex. It's a crime because it involves the exploitation of vulnerable victims," xxxxx g said.

As part of the effort to get men to understand that, those convicted in cities across King County of patronizing an adult prostitute will be required to complete a 10-week course similar to a batterers' intervention program for domestic-violence offenders.

"It's a deep dive into what they're doing out there, the impact on their lives and where it came from," said Peter xxxxxx of the course. He is the co-founder of the Organization for Prostitution Survivors (OPS), a Seattle nonprofit that helps connect prostituted women with social services.

"A living hell".

The new, 10-week course which will include two in-depth interviews and weekly group counseling sessions will cost offenders $900, with the first men expected to begin the countywide program by the end of the month.

"There are no happy hookers," said a veteran Seattle detective who has spent more than half of his 45-year career working prostitution cases.

During hotel ops, he is responsible for creating and posting the Internet ads, which promise to make male fantasies come true.

"There are more victims in this crime than any other I've investigated. Their lives are a living hell," the detective said. "The johns abuse them, the pimps victimize them, the drug dealers victimize them, and the normal people look down on them. They're the true victims of what people call a victimless crime. ".

Men who pay for sex all have one thing in common, said another detective. "All of these guys who participate in this look at a woman as a commodity. And if I pay you, you have to do exactly what I say. ".

Much longer article at http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/tougher-police-tactics-stinging-sex-buyers/.

An Attorney replies: Their lives are a living hell," says a pig who has spent decades making their lives a living hell by arresting them.

[DavePHX]

I received this private message after posting:

"I texted a post off back page.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/young-sexy-and-always-tight-60-special-247-21/32026120

I received several paragraphs about it being illegal, human trafficking and that my IP address was recorded.

All I said was where is your incall.

The first paragraph stated something to the affect 'did you know it is illegal to text a prostitute. '.

Dave notes really sexy pictures. Same pictues are posted for escort in Charlotte and Miami.

[DoToDont]

I have been seeing a few providers that are very open minded with the right incentives and repeats. I have a list of 4 providers that are more open minded than the usual. Willing to trade info via PM as this information in public can lead to useless debates and accusations.

[AzPussyLicker]

Some guy is calling girls on backpage and saying he's with Phoenix Police department. Telling them escorting is illegal and to keep off backpage. He is also asking for personal info. He saying it's a warning, if they continue to post he is going to bust them. He scared some girls and they decide to stop posting.

[Finaqua]

This is an old article, but something of interest caught my eye. The parts about officers stopping customers. Has this ever happened to anyone? My guess is they probably pounced out of nowhere and intimidated the guy into thinking he's going to be arrested and publically shamed however, if he cooperates, we'll let you go right now.

Think of how many times you went into an AMP and absolutely nothing happened. Even on these reviews you read about place after place that is legit, the guy TOFTT, etc.

It seems like the best answer is to say as little as possible or even nothing at all. "With all due respect officer, I have nothing to say at this time". Even if you say something like, "It was just a basic massage, nothing inappropriate or sexual in any way and that's all I have to say" it seems like you're saying too much, opening the door for lying to an officer charge, etc.

I'd be interested in hearing your comments.

P.S.: Dave. Do you know what ever became of this case?

5 arrested in connection with Phoenix prostitution sting.

PHOENIX (CBS5) -.

An undercover operation has resulted in the arrests of four woman on prostitution charges and a business owner for allegedly running the prostitution ring.

Police said xxxx, 48, of Scottsdale, xxxx, 30, of Glendale, and xxxx, 24, were employees at China Day Foot Spa and Massage at 6245 E. Bell Rd. Police said xxxx, 49, owned that spa as well as AZ Massage at 13610 and. Scottsdale Rd. And Greenway Massage at 3342 E. Greenway Rd. Police said all the massage parlors were serving as fronts for prostitution.

An undercover officer said he offered xxx $80 for a sex act on March 27, and she agreed. She was subsequently arrested. Officers staking out the spa on July 24, stopped a customer of the spa, and he told detectives he offered xxx $40 for a sex act and identified her through a photograph, according to police.

Xxx and xxx were arrested on Aug. 30 after officers stopped customers and learned they had paid for sex, and undercover officers later acted as customers and offered money for sex. Xxx, 47, was also arrested for her alleged involvement.

Xxxx was charged with illegal control of an enterprise, conspiracy, forgery, obstructing a criminal investigation and false reporting.

Xxx, xxx and xxx were charged with participating in an illegal enterprise, residing in a house of prostitution, conspiracy and prostitution.

Read more: http://www.kpho.com/story/19488483/5-arrested-in-connection-with-phoenix-prostitution-sting#ixzz3 U1 oyiGsp.

[Danimal Forth]

This is an old article, but something of interest caught my eye. The parts about officers stopping customers. Has this ever happened to anyone? My guess is they probably pounced out of nowhere and intimidated the guy into thinking he's going to be arrested and publically shamed however, if he cooperates, we'll let you go right now.I can remember Dave posting about this case multiple times. As for the customer I doubt it even really went down the way they tell it. Can't say that ever happened to me though.

[JWoo9]

This is an old article, but something of interest caught my eye. The parts about officers stopping customers. Has this ever happened to anyone? My guess is they probably pounced out of nowhere and intimidated the guy into thinking he's going to be arrested and publically shamed however, if he cooperates, we'll let you go right now.

Think of how many times you went into an AMP and absolutely nothing happened. Even on these reviews you read about place after place that is legit, the guy TOFTT, etc.

It seems like the best answer is to say as little as possible or even nothing at all. "With all due respect officer, I have nothing to say at this time". Even if you say something like, "It was just a basic massage, nothing inappropriate or sexual in any way and that's all I have to say" it seems like you're saying too much, opening the door for lying to an officer charge, etc.

I'd be interested in hearing your comments.

I would say to ask if their intention is to question, detain or arrest me that I want an attorney. Otherwise, I would like to leave.

[Moloch2233]

Some guy is calling girls on backpage and saying he's with Phoenix Police department. Telling them escorting is illegal and to keep off backpage. He is also asking for personal info. He saying it's a warning, if they continue to post he is going to bust them. He scared some girls and they decide to stop posting.A girl I see regularly said something like this, too. Some guy calling from a few different numbers (some local, some not) saying he's with the FBI and that her posts have been "flagged" and reported. They also sent her to some website that's about helping girls get out of the prostitution business. I forget the URL but I could ask her again if anyone actually cares. I remember I did a whois on the domain and it was registered privately via Godaddy, and it was a. Com domain, so pretty sure it wasn't an actual government agency, but who knows?

[Cherny]

Can anyone recommend bars / clubs in the Phoenix where eligible ladies might be hanging out. Don't necessarily have to be SWs or escorts. But could be. Looking for a placed frequented by horny women looking to get laid.

[AzPussyLicker]

A girl I see regularly said something like this, too. Some guy calling from a few different numbers (some local, some not) saying he's with the FBI and that her posts have been "flagged" and reported. They also sent her to some website that's about helping girls get out of the prostitution business. I forget the URL but I could ask her again if anyone actually cares. I remember I did a whois on the domain and it was registered privately via Godaddy, and it was a. Com domain, so pretty sure it wasn't an actual government agency, but who knows?I think it might of been the same person but she is being cautious. I saw my regular today and she told me to be careful scrolling backpage. She said several of her regulars called some ads and some person on the other line claimed to LE. She said one client who uses his personal phone called an ad. Then guy on the other line told her client his full name, where he lived and worked at.

All I could suggest is buy a burner with cash if your going to call or text a new girl who you never seen.

[DavePHX]

This is an old article, but something of interest caught my eye. The parts about officers stopping customers. Has this ever happened to anyone? My guess is they probably pounced out of nowhere and intimidated the guy into thinking he's going to be arrested and publically shamed however, if he cooperates, we'll let you go right now.
P.S.: Dave. Do you know what ever became of this case?
5 arrested in connection with Phoenix prostitution sting.
PHOENIX (CBS5) -.
Read more: http://www.kpho.com/story/19488483/5-arrested-in-connection-with-phoenix-prostitution-sting#ixzz3 U1 oyiGsp.Yes this is one of many cases I've followed and reported on:

From my Private List October 2013: (edited out last names for this board only).

Update on AZ Massage case raid in 2012.

China Day Foot Spa and Massage, AZ Massage and Greenway Massage. Judge are has cases and they have the usual criminal enterprise felonies.

Co-owner Martha on 9/24/13 pled guilty to felony "solicitation to commit money laundering in the 2nd degree" Sentencing set 10/29/13. Presumptive sentence 1-year in prison and max fine $150,000 plus 83% surcharge which includes the 10% to the "clean election" fund. Since first offense is probation eligible but up to judge at sentencing to accept supervised probation recommendation of plea deal. Other more serious charges dismissed in plea agreement. The usual large list of requirements if granted probation.

Co-owner Robert S on 9/13/13 pled guilty to 2 felonies of attempted forgery but the prostitution related criminal enterprise charges appear dropped in the plea deal. Sentencing 10/16/13.

New arrest Shu L 9/16/13 arraignment posted $5000 bond via interpreter and assigned to office of public defense. Age 24 usual criminal enterprise related felonies in addition to prostitution. Usual release conditions, no contact with other defendants etc. Was speeding on US 60 when indictment found on traffic stop. Address of home is in Mesa. Only speaks Cantonese. Was previously detained in June 2013 for massage license violation but did not interview due to language barrier. Is legally in the USA So no ICE referral.

For those not yet pled:

Lan, Quijano, Hong, Estephany, Jerome etc. Have Status Conference dates that vary in late October. Trial date not set but probably in early 2014.

In August 2013 Hong xxxxxx made interesting motion to dismiss which was denied. Arguing the indictment should have only been for prostitution not "racketeering" since prostitution not qualified predicate offense since only a misdemeanor. Hong further argues the State can not "boot strap" the misdemeanor prostitution charge into charge required under racketeering. (Racketeering is called criminal enterprise in AZ).

The State contends that the Defendant was involved in a "criminal enterprise" in that she was employed in a house of prostitution that provided her with the accoutrements that allowed her to ply her trade. The State maintains that the massage parlor where the Defendant was arrested supplied her with massage tables, towels, etc. , and paid the rent for the space that housed the massage parlor.

The State maintains that, the Defendant was paid by the owner / operator of this establishment at the end of the day depending on the services that she had rendered. Consequently, the State argues, the Defendant is more than a mere "street" prostitute and independent contractor.

The Court finds that there is a factual dispute as far as what the Defendant's participation in the enterprise. Therefore, the Court will deny the Defendant's Motion to Dismiss with leave for the Defendant to re-urge the motion at the close of the State's case. Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED denying without prejudice the Defendant's Motion to Dismiss.

State has noticed and in discovery named 53 witnesses for trial.

Recent arrests both in traffic stops by Mesa PD and booked into Mesa City jail avoiding mug shots by MSCO but massage related indictments found when Mesa PD did license check:

Lan xxxxxxx this is typical of these arrests: Originally charged with just prostitution on 3/27/13 under Phoenix code so bypasses MSCO mugshots and booked into Mesa City jail. Then indicted on felonies by Grand Jury so city minor prostitution case dismissed and included with felonies in indictment. Special Action was filed by Wang with the Arizona Court of Appeals which declined to hear the case at this point.

Jerome be. Had to post $25,000 cash to get out on bail. Attorney's check to the clerk 7/19/13. Charged with money laundering class 2 felony (may have been cashier type front desk person that took customers money). Scads of motions from most that seem to have aggressive defense attorney but all motions denied so far.

FBI LETTER.

The chief of the Maricopa County Major Crimes Division wrote a letter to the FBI seeking information on the Federal sex trafficking investigation. No response yet, at least in the public record.

In letter to FBI Country explains how the massage parlors were a prostitution criminal enterprise based on sex offered to undercover officer, an undercover applied for a job and acts of prostitution were discussed and various "Johns" were questioned and admitted to acts of prostitution.

There is no indication there is anything forced just Asian women happy to offer their services. But under the Federal Trafficking Act, no coercion is needed for trafficking. If coercion than its "extreme trafficking" with longer prison terms.

Updated.

10/2013 Martha sentenced per plea agreement for class 6 criminal enterprise felony. Prison suspended for 6-months supervised probation.

Robert. Owner - Plea deal for 2 counts running a criminal enterprise felonies. Plea agreement to 18 months probation instead of prison with each count to run concurrently.

12/2013 - Shu was on probation for prior charges for massage without a license.

New notice of States 42 witnesses, including all police in raid and 2 FBI agents as well as 6 "victims" as civilian witnesses.

Hong has settlement conference 12/10.

Lang pleas guilty 1 count class 6 felony sentencing 1/14/2014. Plea agreement sealed.

Robert pled guilty under plea deal for 2 counts sentencing deferred.

9 defendants left.

Next case management conferences 1/14/2014 and 3/6/2014.

Then the case records stop becoming available saying "Clearance of Record".

These are rare and raised the issue of perhaps prosecution misconduct. Which I would love to know about for the Temple case since there are some similarities in the prosecutors office etc. But there is no way to know what happened since the records are sealed.

However, minute entries continue but only for owner Robert. But are no longer available for the other defendants.

Robert arrested while on probation in May 2014 for Aggravated DUI a class 4 felony. On 3/5/2015 sentenced to 6 months in prison with presentence incarceration credit of 33 days. After prison for DUI is sentenced to 3 years probation upon release. This probation to run concurrently with his prior sentence of 2 years on each count related to the massage case from 2012.

Fees assessed for the DUI include the usual probation $65/ month, Fine of $1372, DUI Abatement fund $250, Prison Construction and Operations Fund $1500, Public Safety Equipment Fund $1500, probation assessment $20, Penalty assessment $20,2nd Penalty assessment of $13 to Phoenix Police Dept. In addition shall participate in the MADD Victim Impact Panel and the usual not to consume or possess any substances containing alcohol.

Court set up monthly payments for the larger costs to start after release from prison in October 2015.

[DavePHX]

This is an old article, but something of interest caught my eye. The parts about officers stopping customers. Has this ever happened to anyone? My guess is they probably pounced out of nowhere and intimidated the guy into thinking he's going to be arrested and publically shamed however, if he cooperates, we'll let you go right now.The Lan xxxxx case goes in to great detail how clients used and given immunity:

Lan xxx Special Action (for prior arrest in 2009).

14 page opinion but what is most interesting is use of T. M. Who was a customer and granted immunity to testify. She also argued selective prosecution and other defenses.

T. M. Testified he went to a massage parlor at 1245 West Baseline Road on October 22,2009. (I'd. At 126.) After he left that location, he was contacted by a police officer and said he had a massage. (I'd. At 131,137, 141.) T. M. Later told the officer he received a massage and a hand job. (I'd. At 144.) T. M. Later told the officer he received a blow job. (I'd. At 152.) On cross-examination, he said he paid $40.00 for a ½ hour massage, then negotiated oral sex for $80.00, after which Defendant performed oral sex on him, and then he dressed. (I'd. At 155.) As he was about finished dressing, Defendant came back and told him the police were there. (I'd. At 155–56.) Once he was outside, one of the officers approached him and questioned him. (I'd. At 156–57.) T. M. Told the officer he received a hand job, but acknowledged that was not the truth, which was that he received a blow job. (I'd. At 152,160.).

On April 21, the trial court issued an Order ruling on Defendant's Motion To Suppress, which contended the police officers entered the Thai Day Spa without a warrant, and the officers did not have probable cause to arrest her. The trial court noted the government may make warrantless searches for regulatory purposes and a person choosing to engage in a regulated business, such as a massage parlor, does so with the understanding that the government may make warrantless searches for regulatory purposes.

The trial court thus held the warrantless search in this case did not violate anyone's legitimate expectation of privacy, and the officers properly seized the money they observed in plain view. (Order, dated Apr. 21,2010, at 4–6.) The trial court therefore denied Defendant's Motion To Suppress. (R. T. Of May 13,2010, at 211.) Also on April 21, the trial court issued an Order ruling on Defendant's Motion for Change of Venue, which contended (1) the Assistant City Prosecutor, Patricia A. Tracy, was a witness based on the immunity provided to the State's witness, thus the entire Mesa City Prosecutor's Office was tainted and any trial prosecuted by them would be unfair and (2) the City of Mesa was actively pursuing a "campaign" against massage parlors and thus Defendant would not be able to receive a fair trial in the Mesa City Courts. The trial court concluded Defendant had failed to prove the prosecutor's grant of immunity turned her into a witness, and failed to prove the City of Mesa was actively pursuing a "campaign" against massage parlors. (Order, dated Apr. 21,2010, at 3–4.) The trial court therefore denied Defendant's Motion for Change of Venue.

Detective Elmer xxx testified he was working as part of the Massage Parlor Task Force. His team was watching a massage parlor on West Broadway where they saw a man enter the establishment and then leave a few minutes later. (I'd. At 222.) They thought he was shopping for a particular massage service or a particular masseuse, so they followed him. (I'd. At 222,241–42.) He went to a massage parlor on Alma School Road, but that establishment was not open. (I'd. At 222.) He then went to the Thai Day Spa, which was located at 1245 West Baseline Road, and went in. (I'd. At 222.) After he had been in that establishment for a while he left, and Detective Elmer spoke to him in the parking lot and learned his name was T. M. (I'd. At 222,242, 249–52.) At first T. M. Did not admit to engaging in any acts of prostitution, but later acknowledged receiving a hand job from the female employee inside. (I'd. At 223,255, 257.) T. M. Said there was only one employee inside, and told Detective Elmer how much he had paid. (I'd. At 225.) Based on T. M. 's description of the act of prostitution, the description of the woman, the fact only one woman was in the establishment, and Defendant's later inconsistent statements, Detective Elmer believed he had probable cause to arrest her. (I'd. At 228–30,261–64,270–71,278.) When Detective Elmer was inside the establishment, he saw $80.00 on the counter, which was the amount of money T. M. Said he paid, so Detective Elmer seized that money. (I'd. At 232– 33,235, 237,252, 265.) He looked for other possible evidence, such as used towels, but did not see any. (I'd. At 236–37,238, 268–69.) Detective Elmer testified he had conducted between 100 and 110 inspections, had encountered both male and female employees, and employees of different ethnic descents. (R. T. Of May 13,2010, at 221.) For the inspections, his sergeant would tell them which area of the city they were to inspect that day. (I'd. At 233–34.) He said those massage parlors had both Asian and non-Asian names, employed both Asian and non-Asian people, and employed both males and females. (I'd. At 234–35,253–57,272–73.).

There is much more but her conviction was upheld and her special action was denied by Maricopa Superior Court on all her arguments.

[Finaqua]

Detective Elmer spoke to him in the parking lot and learned his name was T. M. (I'd. At 222,242, 24952.) At first T. M. Did not admit to engaging in any acts of prostitution, but later acknowledged receiving a hand job from the female employee inside.I wonder what happens if the guy only says "no comment".

[Raymondmid]

I wonder what happens if the guy only says "no comment".Let us just say I have some knowledge of these situations and am retired. The Officer questions you- ask him / her if you are under arrest. If not, no statement and be on your way. If they arrest you (obviously without probably cause) say nothing. You may be embarrassed at some time but you will make a bunch of $$ Unless you implicate yourself, how can they prove anything? Do not tell on yourself.

[Stomp2]

Each time I get on this site I am memorized by the ad with the girl with the deliciously large breast grinding on the chair! I hope to someday to find a provider like her grinding on me someday! With some searching I found out who she was and found a nice video clip of her!

http://www.xvideos.com/video9011554/happy_hot_blonde_with_a_perfect_ass_strips_-_kicams.com

[Chilly Willy]

Each time I get on this site I am memorized by the ad with the girl with the deliciously large breast grinding on the chair! I hope to someday to find a provider like her grinding on me someday! With some searching I found out who she was and found a nice video clip of her!

http://www.xvideos.com/video9011554/happy_hot_blonde_with_a_perfect_ass_strips_-_kicams.comStomp2 has my vote. Whatever it's for, he has my vote. Awesome research, young man.

[NorthScotts2]

If anyone is interested, I made a trip to Los Algodones in Feb. Great experience but wasn't sure where to post it exactly. I know some of you guys here like to make the trip. If someone can point me in the right place to post the info, I'd appreciate it. I know I could post it in the International forum but I don't have a membership there and I'd rather help you guys out. If you would like details, please feel free to let me know.

[Slider42]

If anyone is interested, I made a trip to Los Algodones in Feb. Great experience but wasn't sure where to post it exactly. I know some of you guys here like to make the trip. If someone can point me in the right place to post the info, I'd appreciate it. I know I could post it in the International forum but I don't have a membership there and I'd rather help you guys out. If you would like details, please feel free to let me know.This is the place. Post away, its been too long since anyone has reported on Los Algodones.

I need to get there someday to get some hardeners.

[Stomp2]

I am wondering and I am sure some have. Have you ever met a provider at a public area and then going to their location after meeting her? I was emailing a provider for a couple of day prior to meeting. She wanted to meet by a restaurant and she said her place was a few blocks from there. I came up with an excuse that I could not make it that day and will try for another day. I did not feel comfortable doing this because I am not familiar with the location which was on the other side of town from where I live. Not sure if maybe a LEO tactic or maybe a grab and dash! Maybe my spidey senses were kicking in or maybe a little paranoid. Has anyone done this?

[DontKnowMe19]

I am wondering and I am sure some have. Have you ever met a provider at a public area and then going to their location after meeting her? I was emailing a provider for a couple of day prior to meeting. She wanted to meet by a restaurant and she said her place was a few blocks from there. I came up with an excuse that I could not make it that day and will try for another day. I did not feel comfortable doing this because I am not familiar with the location which was on the other side of town from where I live. Not sure if maybe a LEO tactic or maybe a grab and dash! Maybe my spidey senses were kicking in or maybe a little paranoid. Has anyone done this?No. It's fine. If she is a well verified proivider, she is just looking out for her safety. I've done 3 times. It was fine. Nothing was discussed. She just wanted to see me and see if there is some chemistry.

[Stomp2]

No. It's fine. If she is a well verified proivider, she is just looking out for her safety. I've done 3 times. It was fine. Nothing was discussed. She just wanted to see me and see if there is some chemistry.This one only had one review that I could find and only a couple of postings. If she was well verified I probably would of went with it.

[DontKnowMe19]

This one only had one review that I could find and only a couple of postings. If she was well verified I probably would of went with it.Smart. Good use of your spidey senses. LOL. I probably would have done the same. This day in age, we can't be too careful.

[DavePHX]

Tech Startup Is Helping the Cops Track Sex Workers Online.

April 17,2015 by Melissa Gira xxxxxxx highlights.

"Big data" and "sex trafficking. " That it took so long for someone to combine these buzz terms into one money-making venture is just one of several mysteries surrounding Rescue Forensics, a new startup.

The "big" in the Memphis-based company? Rescue Forensics claims it "archives massive quantities of data from classified advertisement sites specializing in commercial sex ads. " It gathers a lot of text, and even more nude and semi-nude photos. Then it turns all that over to the cops.

What Rescue Forensics appears to be selling is just one more tool to help cops track people engaged in sex work through their online activities.

Rescue Forensics purports to have brought on more than 100 law enforcement agencies, including the FBI.

There's a good chance that if you've placed an ad online in the last two years for escorting, massage, BDSM, stripping, private modeling, nude housekeeping, Rescue Forensics has a copy. And because Rescue Forensics has a copy, so do their users in law enforcement.

The tools the company says they provide to police sound pretty powerful: Apparently, through image matching, they can connect photos from deleted classified ads they've archived with existing social media profiles. The only search tool Dalton would tell me about in real detail was something they've built to clean up some of the data, like phone numbers, which advertisers are usually prohibited from typing out in an ad (and so might have obscured with extra characters or spaces). Rescue Forensics' users in law enforcement can more easily search for text that advertisers took steps to conceal.

But for Dalton (co-founder), the fight against trafficking isn't just about finding the people Rescue Forensics believes are "exploited": It's about abolition.

Before he co-founded Rescue Forensics, Dalton was a policy advisor to Shared Hope International, a faith-based anti-prostitution organization involved in "rescuing and restoring" people it describes as trafficked. The group claims that demand for commercial sex drives demand for trafficking and argues that websites like Backpage are facilitators of trafficking. They are currently lobbying Congress to redefine men who buy sex as "traffickers. " They also organize a men's group called the Defenders, who pledge not to consume porn or any other form of commercial sex.

In their campaign "Demand Justice," Shared Hope makes the claim that "sex trafficking will end only when men stop buying sex. " Last August, Dalton authored the campaign's launch announcement, inviting Shared Hope's supporters to become "an ally in the effort to eradicate the market force that fuels sex trafficking and victimizes the vulnerable. ".

Of sex work generally, Dalton told me, "I know there are people who choose to do that, but I'm not talking about those people. But there's a subset of those ads for people who do not choose that lifestyle. ".

To date, Dalton told me his company has collected "18 million records" from over 800 citiesa great number of them ads presumably posted by people who are not trafficking victims.

Scraping websites primarily used by sex workers can have even more serious consequences for the people who advertise there. "The ability to advertise online provides a level of safety for many," the'Adamo told me, "but does come with the very real fear of exposure and leaving behind a footprint. " Despite Rescue Forensics claim to focus on those who are "exploited," their product runs on sex workers' ads. "Compiling all of this information and making it easily searchable will only exacerbate these fears," the'Adamo added.

Though he insisted to me multiple times that he does believe there's a difference between sex work and trafficking, Dalton still stands to profit from a product that can't make that distinction, placed in the hands of law enforcement officers who also routinely fail to make it. Police use every weapon at their disposal to harass and arrest sex workers, and Rescue Forensics can't guarantee it won't end up being one more.

If the so-called abolitionist movement is where Dalton's coming froma movement that believes demand for the sex trade is responsible for trafficking, and therefore seeks to abolish the sex tradeyou start to get a sense of why he might not be "clear. ".

Dave notes this could really help Arizona LE go after the new escort license law where your license has to be on your ad. Scottsdale seems to be enforcing the most so far. I have yet to see an ad that complies with the new law. I do not know nor have heard of any escort that has the required license which has to be carried on the sex worker, logging requirements of all activities (no sex) and log of all the clients with positive I'd.

Or, of course if bad words like GFE or worse are used, its an automatic easy solicitation arrest without having to even set up a appointment, just get the records of who placed the ad advertising GFE or any sex act abbreviations or slang.

https://www.vice.com/read/this-tech-startup-is-helping-the-cops-track-sex-workers-online-417

[DavePHX]

happyhookersofphoenix.com

OK no one uses it but got the idea from.

Happy Hookers of Canada.

"A true voice of the proud sex workers across Canada. ".

In Canada, there are many well organized private sexwork groups. This is one example with the above quote:

http://www.happyhookersofcanada.com

Interestingly happyhookersofus.com is taken but not being used.

Happyhookersofus.us is available for about $5/ yr.

happyhookersofphoenix.com is also available for about $11/ yr.

Sadly with the legal situation far different in the USA Than Canada there are not the well-organized groups other than mostly individual advocates. At least we now have an advocate that has filed a declaratory action that could reach our 9th circuit many years from now challenging the prostitution law on sound constitutional grounds.

It is getting national media attention, especially in CA, but it has taken years just to get the initial funding for all the legal fees involved by top notch lawyers.

[DavePHX]

Update on Declaratory Lawsuit Challenging the Prostitution Law.

The ESPLERP action challenging the prostitution law on Constitutional grounds is in Federal Court.

Erotic Service Providers Legal, Education and Research Project (ESPLERP), is a non-profit, a diverse community-based group of erotic service providers and community members who are working towards empowerment by advancing sexual privacy rights.

Summary of filings and Court Orders:

On March 11,2015 the two attorneys from Ohio (Sirkin and O'Connor) were granted "Pro Hac Vice. " This means in English, that a lawyer who has not been admitted to practice in a certain jurisdiction but is allowed to participate in a particular case in that jurisdiction. I. e. The attorney's are members of the Ohio bar but not California where the case is being tried at the Northern California Federal District Court.

Whoever loses the case will probably appeal to the 9th Circuit that includes Arizona and many other Western States.

On 4/13/2015, All the parties waived service (of a summons). Answers by the Defendants (District Attorney San Francisco, three other County District Attorney's and the Attorney General for the State of California) are due 5/12/2015. (later vacated see further orders below).

The Defendants are filing a motion to dismiss (even before they answer) under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12 (b)(6) to dismiss for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.

The purpose of this rule includes where answering the complaint and preparing affirmative defenses would be a substantial undertaking. The theory is to dismiss a complaint that is so lacking in merit that no answer is necessary.

The motion to dismiss was filed after the Answer date of 5/12/2015 was set (extended from the usual 20-day requirement to file). The motion stops the clock on the answer filing date, pursuant to FRCP 12 (a)(4).

Successful motions to dismiss a complaint are a rarity, more the subject of law school civil procedure classes than actual practice. A reason is the modern doctrine mandating liberal pleadings standards. In effect, this means that courts will look not so much at the artfulness in the drafting of the complaint as much as the substance of the purported claim. The courts have a general policy of determining actions on the merits if the claim is fundamentally meritorious and only had technical deficiencies.

I note the attorneys are very experienced in these types of Complaints so hopefully the motion to dismiss will fail.

On 4/20/2015 an order was issued vacating the answer date and setting date to file opposition to the motion to dismiss 6/8/2015, Reply by Plaintiffs by 6/23/2015 and a Motion Hearing set for 8/27/2015 at 9 AM in Courtroom 5 Federal Court House in Oakland before Hon Judge JSW.

If ESPLER can defeat the motion, the case will go on to the answer and discovery phase that could take a long time with other various motions to suppress, etc. Likely by the State.

Funds are needed for the legal fees. Maxine has been organizing this effort for years. She even came to my home in Phoenix for a meeting of local sexworkers. She has been outspoken in the media supporting the reversal of erotic provider laws for in private consenting adults and needs everyone's support that can be given at https://liberatetoemancipate.tilt.com/liberatetoemancipate.

Unlike the rest of us that keep preaching and writing articles, Maxine has done something about it by organizing and filing this lawsuit.

As Maxine says, "For those who keep saying that the justice systems mistreatment of sex workers isn't right, its your chance to make a contribution and help us take this landmark step by making a tax deductible anonymous donation. " (They are a 501 c3 non-profit educational foundation.).

ESPLER website with information: http://esplerp.org.

On the Phoenix Private List forum, I have my summary of the case and the basis for the complaint as I view it. The filed Complaint that is one of the best I have ever seen on the legal issues is an attachment at http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4158.

The forum is the public highlights from the much larger Phoenix Private List that is sent by e-mail to about 350 companions and erotic service providers on legal and industry issues. It is free and part of the Liberated Christians, Inc outreach (libchrist.com), a non-profit corporation. We are not seeking any donations related to this cause other than to support ESPLERP. I am not an attorney and do not provide any legal advice. I just monitor and have been outspoken on many cases and legal issues I have followed and advocated for over a decade for the issues of consenting adults, as private, erotic service providers and their customers.

[Luknaround]

Update on Declaratory Lawsuit Challenging the Prostitution Law.

The ESPLERP action challenging the prostitution law on Constitutional grounds is in Federal Court.

Erotic Service Providers Legal, Education and Research Project (ESPLERP), is a non-profit, a diverse community-based group of erotic service providers and community members who are working towards empowerment by advancing sexual privacy rights.

Summary of filings and Court Orders:

On March 11,2015 the two attorneys from Ohio (Sirkin and O'Connor) were granted "Pro Hac Vice. " This means in English, that a lawyer who has not been admitted to practice in a certain jurisdiction but is allowed to participate in a particular case in that jurisdiction. I. e. The attorney's are members of the Ohio bar but not California where the case is being tried at the Northern California Federal District Court.

Whoever loses the case will probably appeal to the 9th Circuit that includes Arizona and many other Western States.

On 4/13/2015, All the parties waived service (of a summons). Answers by the Defendants (District Attorney San Francisco, three other County District Attorney's and the Attorney General for the State of California) are due 5/12/2015. (later vacated see further orders below).

The Defendants are filing a motion to dismiss (even before they answer) under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12 (b)(6) to dismiss for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.

The purpose of this rule includes where answering the complaint and preparing affirmative defenses would be a substantial undertaking. The theory is to dismiss a complaint that is so lacking in merit that no answer is necessary.

The motion to dismiss was filed after the Answer date of 5/12/2015 was set (extended from the usual 20-day requirement to file). The motion stops the clock on the answer filing date, pursuant to FRCP 12 (a)(4).

Successful motions to dismiss a complaint are a rarity, more the subject of law school civil procedure classes than actual practice. A reason is the modern doctrine mandating liberal pleadings standards. In effect, this means that courts will look not so much at the artfulness in the drafting of the complaint as much as the substance of the purported claim. The courts have a general policy of determining actions on the merits if the claim is fundamentally meritorious and only had technical deficiencies.

I note the attorneys are very experienced in these types of Complaints so hopefully the motion to dismiss will fail.

On 4/20/2015 an order was issued vacating the answer date and setting date to file opposition to the motion to dismiss 6/8/2015, Reply by Plaintiffs by 6/23/2015 and a Motion Hearing set for 8/27/2015 at 9 AM in Courtroom 5 Federal Court House in Oakland before Hon Judge JSW.

If ESPLER can defeat the motion, the case will go on to the answer and discovery phase that could take a long time with other various motions to suppress, etc. Likely by the State.

Funds are needed for the legal fees. Maxine has been organizing this effort for years. She even came to my home in Phoenix for a meeting of local sexworkers. She has been outspoken in the media supporting the reversal of erotic provider laws for in private consenting adults and needs everyone's support that can be given at https://liberatetoemancipate.tilt.com/liberatetoemancipate.

Unlike the rest of us that keep preaching and writing articles, Maxine has done something about it by organizing and filing this lawsuit.

As Maxine says, "For those who keep saying that the justice systems mistreatment of sex workers isn't right, its your chance to make a contribution and help us take this landmark step by making a tax deductible anonymous donation. " (They are a 501 c3 non-profit educational foundation.).

ESPLER website with information: http://esplerp.org.

On the Phoenix Private List forum, I have my summary of the case and the basis for the complaint as I view it. The filed Complaint that is one of the best I have ever seen on the legal issues is an attachment at http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4158.

The forum is the public highlights from the much larger Phoenix Private List that is sent by e-mail to about 350 companions and erotic service providers on legal and industry issues. It is free and part of the Liberated Christians, Inc outreach (libchrist.com), a non-profit corporation. We are not seeking any donations related to this cause other than to support ESPLERP. I am not an attorney and do not provide any legal advice. I just monitor and have been outspoken on many cases and legal issues I have followed and advocated for over a decade for the issues of consenting adults, as private, erotic service providers and their customers.As a business owner, having to deal with contract issues everyday, I must say for someone who has stated they are not an attorney, you definately think and write like one not to mention interpret legal jargon well. I will make an anoynomous donation to help this cause. Because the battle needs to be fought! The laws are outdated and need to be reversed. We have freed slaves, entitled gays, and made the drug with the most related incarceration. Legal. If we are going to drop all of these previous wrongs, then this last bastion of infringement of our rights need to be fought and won! Thank you to all who have contributed, continue to support, and help us enjoy our right to sexually please ourselves in a legal way without forcing or coercion of any kind. Of course, as soon as happens, the sex workers will unionize and the prices will go up ha ha.

[Camera3]

I am a roadie for a touring band so get to sample lots of talent in lots of cities. The band recently played a few nights at a well known club in Phoenix. We usually have at least one night off. I have had luck with my CL ad in Phoenix before but this time things went South. My first time ever with a bait and switch on CL. Yep, the girl sent a picture of an attractive lady, we made the date and I guess she thought I wouldn't notice she was ugly as a mud fence. We had coffee, I was a gentleman and we talked but at the end I just told her I wasn't feelin' it and wished her well. I gave her gas money.

It was now after 9 pm and I figured I would try my hand at finding some SW action. That is not something I usually do in a strange town but had read up enough to know that if I was going to find anything worth while it was going to happen on 27th Street, but didn't have a clear picture of where on 27th. So, I figured if I started at Indian School Rd. And headed North I was bound to find something. Just north of that interchange there were several young spinner BSW (and one really fat one) and also several LEO's giving them a hard time. Oh, yeah, and some young black dudes acting like pimps. I drove on North and finally around Glendale saw a young blonde spinner with a little back pack. I did a U-turn and she was gone. Damnit. I drove back South a bit and passed what could have been a HSW or BSW and turned around three or four times but wasn't really drawn in. If she was HSW I would have swooped but the light was never good enough to tell. Nothing against BSW, just not what I wanted that night. As I got back to Glendale I saw a vision, a 30 something spinner who smiled, I did a U and up a side street and she walked up and got in asking for a ride. As we drove off she quickly announced the menu and donation, which shocked the shit out of me. Was she new? I think so. I think maybe a single mom type needing rent and trying her hand at SW. That is usually pretty good. She was pretty, not your normal SW. So, we talked a bit and rather than go for the normal SW kind of date I suggested we go get a room and spend some quality time together. So, she started by the most pathetic back rub I had ever had. I suggested I teach her and before long she took control and had it down pretty good. The rest is a very good quality GFE with a whole alphabet full of letters we all like, not SW quality at all. And time wise, about two hours or so total. Got to love amateurs and semi-pros.

I dropped her off back at her house, which is a block off 27th in a pretty good neighborhood. Sorry, I can't remember her name and even though she gave her digits I faked putting them in my hobby phone.

All in all, what started as a day that really sucked ended quite nicely.

Back at the club, we finished our gig, loaded the trucks and headed West toward Las Vegas.

Play safe,

C3.

[DavePHX]

Update: Lawsuit Challenges Prostitution Law: ESPLER Project Inc.

State of California Attorney General Notice and Motion to Dismiss.

A 206-page response has been made to the declaratory action to strike down the prostitution law, and motion to dismiss is what I expected. The fight is on!

Most of the response is exhibits full of the crap about sex trafficking, Melissa Farley's bogus research about the harms of prostitution to women and how the prostitution laws protect women from abuse.

Of course, probably 90%+ of sexwork has nothing to do with any coerced sex trafficking but is between consenting adults in private.

Next Important Dates:

June 8 – Deadline for plaintiffs to respond to the motion to dismiss.

June 23 – Deadline for defendants to reply.

August 7 – Hearing on motion to dismiss (9:00 am In Courtroom #5, 1301 Clay Street, Oakland, 2nd floor, Judge Jeffrey S. Wxxxx).

If the State of California wins on the motion to dismiss, it may benefit the cause since it will get the case to the 9th Circuit more quickly.

Link: 206 page California AG Notice and Motion http://www.sexwork.com/CalfAGMotion.pdf.

This is a large 6. 3 mb file so may take awhile to download.

Link: Complaint For Declaratory Judgement filed by Erotic Service Providers Legal Education & Research Project.

http://phxlist.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=685

Link: My discussion and my non-lawyer view of legal issues: http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4158.

After being kicked off of GOFUNDME, A second crowdfunding campaign is now underway to raise an additional $30,000 this year to cover further legal fees. Supporters can contribute to this historic effort to decriminalize prostitution in California at https://liberatetoemancipate.tilt.com/liberatetoemancipate.

Much more extensive information at.

http://www.esplerp.org

[DavePHX]

Website operator convicted of Federal facilitating prostitution charges.

MyRedbook owner sentenced under plea deal to 13 months in Federal prison in the first federal case for "facilitating prostitution".

He facilitated by running a website that had prostitute advertisements using explicit photos, graphic descriptions in prostitute ads and reviews using acronyms to describe sex acts.

He pled guilty in a plea deal in December and was sentenced 5/21/2015 to 13 months in Federal prison, he then has three years of supervised probation, gives up more than $1. 28 million in assets and forfeited the domain names Redbook and sfRedbook.

Unlike TER, or P411 often used by LE, this was an honest site that many escorts used to enhance their safety and was particularity popular in CALF, but used in many cities around the USA And Canada. Many folks miss this good site. All website owners who allow ads or reviews should be concerned. The result is more dangerous interactions for both companions and clients for consenting adults seeking sensual options as humans are designed to seek and share.

Even in biblical times, non-cultic prostitution was common and never an issue. The "sin" was idolatry of the sex goddess prostitutes using sex to worship the fertility gods so the customers fields would produce more fruit. "Common" prostitution often mentioned with no negative inference.

Today, of course, private consenting adult sexwork is legal in many forms in most of the world. Attempts to suppress it such as the "Swedish model" are failures and increases the danger for everyone. But what would the millions going to the USA Victim industry if there were fewer victims of repressive laws against what is a normal human desire for sexual variety.

[DavePHX]

I'm enjoying the adult freedoms of Canada currently but am getting reports from known long-time companions on the Phx Pvt List:

5/27/2015.

"Sting in progress, north east phoenix.

Female officer using the number 480-799-4740. Posts on backpage.com with fake pictures. Using different names including Hannah, Isabella, Sabrina today is using the name Natalie. All names of real girls who work in the area. Client calls, the female says I'm with the phoenix police, we are cleaning up the area so stay away. We have been told the same story over and over again by clients and workers. Her location today is union hills and the 51. She also uses fake pictures that look like the girl she is posing as. Her prices are 80 Hh 100 hr. ".

Further:

Robbed by Mesa Cop?

From a long-time companion:

"My neighbor got robbed by a Mesa Police officer a few months ago. He paid for sex had sex and after pulled out his Mesa Police badge and gun and said she could get arrested or get robbed. He left with $1000 her laptop and her phone. ".

I asked if her companion neighbor would still have a name so we can check if he is a real cop. If he gave his real name?

Reply.

"I don't know the name of the cop who robbed my neighbor but I will try to find out. Personally I think he really was a cop. I have a friend who is a Tempe cop and he sees escorts all the time. I don't believe that cops always follow the law. ".

[Stomp2]

Had consider making a visit to this prior to this post.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/Strippers/like-older-women-let-me-dance-for-you/27499707

Was communicating thru email only and had not obtain a # yet and was setting something up. Read this post and did a search with digits in post and came up with this: http://liverubreviews.com/ad/phoenix/480-799-4740/1/62125.

Pretty well same location and donations in post.

Decided to let this go!


I'm enjoying the adult freedoms of Canada currently but am getting reports from known long-time companions on the Phx Pvt List:

5/27/2015.

"Sting in progress, north east phoenix.

Female officer using the number 480-799-4740. Posts on backpage.com with fake pictures. Using different names including Hannah, Isabella, Sabrina today is using the name Natalie. All names of real girls who work in the area. Client calls, the female says I'm with the phoenix police, we are cleaning up the area so stay away. We have been told the same story over and over again by clients and workers. Her location today is union hills and the 51. She also uses fake pictures that look like the girl she is posing as. Her prices are 80 Hh 100 hr. ".

Further:

Robbed by Mesa Cop?

From a long-time companion:

"My neighbor got robbed by a Mesa Police officer a few months ago. He paid for sex had sex and after pulled out his Mesa Police badge and gun and said she could get arrested or get robbed. He left with $1000 her laptop and her phone. ".

I asked if her companion neighbor would still have a name so we can check if he is a real cop. If he gave his real name?

Reply.

"I don't know the name of the cop who robbed my neighbor but I will try to find out. Personally I think he really was a cop. I have a friend who is a Tempe cop and he sees escorts all the time. I don't believe that cops always follow the law. ".

[DavePHX]

New JVTA law sets up perverse incentives to treat everyday prostitution as sex trafficking.

Lots of "victim" organizations in Arizona applying for grant money to go after prostitution under new law.

New JVTA law sets up perverse incentives to treat everyday prostitution as sex trafficking.

June 01,2015 POLITICO Magazine Key points:

Just passed: Justice for Victims of Trafficking Act (JVTA), a massive package of grant appropriations, criminal penalty enhancements and other items aimed at fighting sex trafficking in America and abroad.

With almost unanimous, bipartisan support in Congress and fans ranging from evangelical Christians to Planned Parenthood, it's easy to see the JVTA as a rare win-win in Washington. The fight against sex trafficking—plus federal funding to do so, contingent on arrests and convictions—sets up perverse incentives to treat everyday prostitution as sex trafficking.

All over the country, we're now seeing what would have been deemed "vice" work reframed as human trafficking stings. And who gets swept up in these stings? Willing, adult sex workers and their patrons.

For example, during last year's Operation Cross Country, an FBI spearheaded initiative "to recover victims of child sex trafficking," Newark, and. J. Cops identified just one 14-year-old sex trafficking victim but it arrested another 45 people for normal prostitution. In Portland, one minor was recovered while 20 adult women were arrested on prostitution charges and three adults were arrested for promoting prostitution.

Also unnecessary is a real victim: the main catch in many "sex trafficking stings" are men who agree to pay for sex with a police decoy.

Take, for instance, Hortencia xxx, 71, who was recently arrested on federal charges as the "ring leader" of a sex trafficking syndicate. Arguello's crime seems to be owning a bar where she allowed prostitution upstairs. Bartenders and other employees were also charged as part of the sex trafficking "conspiracy. ".

Under the new banner of human trafficking even relatively minor crimes related to sex work can come with serious felony status, a sex offender registry requirement and a mandatory minimum prison term.

Mandatory minimums are strictly fixed sentences that leave no room for a judge's discretion —swelling prisons with nonviolent offenders.

Rep. Bobby xxxxx (D-Va.), co-chair of the Congressional Human Trafficking Caucus was one of only three members of the USA House to vote against the JVTA. The bill "contains a new mandatory minimum that someday will require a judge to impose a sentence that violates common sense," he said in a statement.

Xxxxxt is wary of the "the possible scope of defendants who could be prosecuted" under this provision. Known as the SAVE Amendment, it prohibits not just placing an "escort" ad for a minor or someone forced into it but also benefitting financially in any way from the ad—meaning that classified-ad hosting sites could be held criminally accountable as sex traffickers. And the penalty for this trafficking? Mandatory minimum imprisonment of 10 to 15 years.

While this may be justifiable in some cases, those prosecutable could include "all of the employees of the ad company, including the receptionist or the computer guy," said Sxxxx "The judge should have the discretion to consider all the facts and the culpability of the particular defendant. ".

Every time members of Congress create a new mandatory minimum, they end up disproportionately punishing offenders they never intended to. ".

The alleged increase in domestic human trafficking fuels the sense that these laws are proportionate. Yet there's no credible research showing that human trafficking has been increasing the USA While federal agents speak of the hundreds of thousands trafficked in America annually, federal anti-trafficking task forces only confirmed a little over 120 cases between 2007 and mid-2008, including only 14 victims under age 18. The Government Accountability Office has called federal statistics on domestic trafficking "questionable" due to "methodological weaknesses, gaps in data," and the fact that "the USA Government's estimate was developed by one person who did not document all his work. " And the Washington Post's "Fact Checker" has recently dismantled several dubious but oft-relayed trafficking stats.

Whenever a new threat, real or imagined, captures the national mood—now sex trafficking—with every state and city and senator ready to prove they care by pushing ever harsher penalties and ever broader parameters for who should be penalized.

[DavePHX]

Phoenix police issue PSA to would-be johns The Republic.

June 8, 2015.

"Jamming Johns" operation.

The latest of Amanda's many callers seemed anxious.

He spoke quickly and deemed few topics off-limits, unloading unsolicited details on work, family and sexual insecurities onto the woman he'd never met.

He had never done this before, he promised to the woman he believed to be the pert, nearly nude brunette on the other end of his computer screen.

Amanda, soothing and understanding, lent a patient ear for the man. And the dynamics changed about halfway into the 16-minute conversation, when "Amanda" revealed she was not a prostitute, but a Phoenix police detective.

The ruse, on its face, has become old hat for vice squads: Set up a dummy online profile, lure unsuspecting child predators or would-be johns, and snap the mug shots.

But in a recent Phoenix police sting operation, not one of the 229 calls to the five female detectives resulted in an arrest. The "Jamming Johns" operation was about targeted outreach.

Instead of establishing a meeting place, the woman on the other end of the line cheerfully launched into her cautionary speech with the enthusiasm of an infomercial spokesman, as heard on one of the audio recordings.

"The Phoenix Police Department actually has a new policy," the Phoenix vice-squad detective told one of her callers. "Instead of just issuing tickets to people who are arrested for soliciting prostitution, we now have to book people into jail. ".

The detectives then warned the men of the embarrassment of getting arrested for prostitution and the harm of sex trafficking, then directed them to azbuyerbeware.com for more information.

Officers hoped the method would have a "Scared Straight" effect — a term coined by a 1978 documentary that filmed terrified juvenile delinquents visiting actual convicts. The aim of Jamming Johns, similarly, was to prevent a crime from occurring, rather than to arrest after the fact.

The operation was part of a broader effort to stem the demand side of prostitution — buyers who are considered the lifeblood of sex trafficking.

Phoenix police and other groups often have come to see prostitution and sex trafficking as synonymous. One is considered "trafficked" if she is forced or coerced into the lifestyle — even by circumstances such as poverty or drugs — or is underage.

In the past year and a half, Phoenix's vice unit has begun fixing its attention on the johns in the equation. It's an initiative meant to complement the force's efforts to treat those exploited by sex trafficking as victims, said Phoenix police Sgt. Clay S.

"If you're attacking this, you have to go after the demand element," he said. "We know that through the years, the customer has gotten off easy — the perception was that the girl is the problem (and) 'let's get the prostitute off the street corner. ' ".

S. said the previous status quo would name the customer as a witness to the crime of prostitution, with the prostitute named as the criminal.

"We don't do that anymore, because we realize his role is bigger," he said.

Phoenix, as part of a coalition called the CEASE (Cities Empowered Against Sexual Exploitation) Network, is one of 11 cities across the country tasked with cutting demand by 20 percent in the next two years.

The network, footed by the anti-sex-trade organization Demand Abolition, also includes Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Houston, Oakland, Portland, San Diego and Seattle. Each city is asked to find its own, innovative solutions to the issue.

Angelyn be. Phoenix's CEASE coordinator, said there are three hubs for buying sex in Phoenix: on the streets (primarily along 27th Avenue), in massage parlors and online at backpage.com.

Be. Said the group wanted to see what effect an inexpensive boiler-room approach, as opposed to a full-blown sting, would have on demand. The callers may also provide key insight for future tactics, she said.

"We thought it would be interesting to get a pulse of the buyers. Find out what they think about prostitution and the mandatory-booking policy," she said.

The responses spanned from expletive-laced rants to excuses — "I don't understand; I'm an international student" — to, surprisingly, several notes of gratitude.

"I appreciate what you're doing," one said. "I have daughters as well. They're younger ones, but they'll grow up one day; scary thought! Once again, thank you. ".

Other key findings:

— Only six of the callers hung up when the detectives disclosed their true identities, leaving 229 who listened to the whole intervention.

— Twenty-five percent of the callers visited the website.

— Several called from their office lines at 30 Arizona businesses, including those in the entertainment, pharmaceutical, technology, manufacturing and transportation fields.

— Eighty percent of the callers responded to only one ad, indicating that most are casual shoppers rather than "hobbyists. ".

— Sixty-eight of the calls received a positive response after the detective announced who she was. Responses included "Thank you," "Understood, lesson learned" and "Thank you for the warning; I will not be doing this anymore. ".

Be. Said she views the operation as a success. The number of buyers contacting the decoy ads declined throughout the four-day operation, she said. And, importantly, many of the men seemed like casual buyers — receptive to the warnings and less likely to again try to purchase sex.

Police believe these casual shoppers are their best hope to achieve the 20 percent demand cut by 2017.

"We're just touching the surface on arresting the customers out there," S. Said. "You just can't arrest your way out of the demand issue. ".

[DavePHX]

Phoenix Police Sexwork Education Site.

Part of the grants and huge money machine of the victim industry full of lies and deceptions. But it brings in lots of money, makes political points and gets the religious folks and conservatives all excited about saving people from their natural sexual expression.

Clearly the law puts everyone at great risk, especially the 90%+ that are consenting adults that get arrested. Very few real victims are found mostly just the pretend victims. And their customers.

Of course most of the information below are lies based on fake studies but gets lots of grant money.

Abuse (which is often not reported due to the legal issues).

Beatings, rapes and murder are a reality of prostitution.

Did you know buyers get robbed too?

Do you really want to "buy" into that?

Prostituted women would get out of the life if they had a choice.

Over half of the people advertising sex online are trafficked by a pimp.

Sexually transmitted disease and MRSA can be transferred to your wife or partner.

Consequences.

Phoenix Police are arresting men who buy sex.

Do you want to go to jail?

Do you want your family to know what you are doing?

Are you willing to take the risk and possibly end up on a sex offender registry?

With new mandatory booking policy changes, you will be booked into jail, face a steep fine and lose your car for 30 days.

BUYER BEWARE.

Resources in Phoenix listing:

Catholic Charities counseling.

Crisis Line.

Sex Addicts Anonymous.

Above from http://www.azbuyerbeware.com/.

City of Phoenix Compass Plan.

To establish the City of Phoenix as a model in addressing and combating human trafficking. As usual the words human trafficking, sex trafficking and child prostitution are all lumped together related to all forms of prostitution.

The 13 page plan for 2015-2020 for training and enforcement with all the lies implying sex trafficking is all about children or coerced sexwork when probably 90%+ are consenting adults. The game of Phoenix is to find and fund programs to go after or "save" pretend victims instead of leaving consenting adults alone and going after to "save" only the rare REAL victims vs. Mostly PRETEND victims and all customers.

Lots of grant money to attack 90% consenting adults. Plan at.

https://www.phoenix.gov/district2site/Documents/City%20of%20Phoenix%20COMPASS%20Plan.pdf

TRUST ARIZONA.

Headline "The owners of the worlds largest Internet 'sex for sale' website may live only miles from your kids school! (referring to BP owners in Phoenix).

Trust Arizona has pages of mugshots and names of customers arrested for solicitation, engaging in prostitution and includes those that entrap in order to charge with attempted child prostitution when they never sought anyone underaged. Various Phoenix attorneys have spoken out about such entrapment stings.

Other sections with mostly false studies and lies "Shocking Facts", Share Knowledge, Better Together to join network and to report sexworkers.

Various other websites and organizations are popping up as the grant money under the new Federal law is being spread around to fund the pretend victim industry.

Homeland Security Blue Campaign big website and resources for local law enforcement.

http://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign

For years we have had the FBI Trafficking stings. Again with arrests of mostly consenting adults as their pretend victims with very few cases of coerced or underaged prostitution vs massive numbers of consenting adults.

[DavePHX]

Jun 09,2015 (KPHO / KTVK) -.

Four men were arrested in a prostitution sting in Yavapai County.

On June 1, several law enforcement agencies conducted an operation targeting the buyers of underage and adult prostitutes to combat human trafficking in the Arizona county.

The four men allegedly responded to an Internet ad, made arrangements to meet the girls in a Yavapai County motel room, and then presented payment for sex acts.

(Names and mug shots in article online).

"I will continue to make these types of operations a priority for the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office because the goal of protecting our children and young women from sexual predators must continue.

The Department of Homeland Security; Partners Against Narcotics Trafficking; and the Prescott, Prescott Valley and Cottonwood police departments assisted with the operation.

[DavePHX]

More specifics from Camp Verde Bugle 6/9/2015 with full names and mug shot pictures:

-40-year-old Isidrio x from Las Vegas released on a $4000 bond. X made phone arrangements and upon arrival at the hotel room and agreed to pay an adult woman for sex acts. He faces a charge of enticing a person for prostitution.

-47-year-old Jeffrey S from Surprise released on a $2000 bond. S made phone arrangements agreed to pay an adult female for sex acts when he arrived at the hotel room. He faces a charge of enticing a person for prostitution.

-42-year-old Sean the from Tucson released on a $2000 bond. The called to make initial phone arrangements and agreed to pay an adult female for sex acts when he arrived at the hotel. He also faces a charge of enticing a person for prostitution.

-18-year-old Alex A. From Paulden who remains in custody on a $5,000 bond. A. completed initial phone arrangements and upon arrival at the hotel room, agreed to pay for sex with both an adult and minor child. He was charged with felony child prostitution and prostitution.

[DavePHX]

From discussion on terb. Cc by "corrie fan".

Many reasons.

They are 100% sure their way of living and their view of the world is the only valid one.

They are ashamed and afraid of their own and everyone else's sexuality.

They think they have the right to control how others live their lives.

They interpret the Bible in a way that agrees with their attitudes.

I think most followers of conservative religious groups do not want to put the effort into thinking for themselves. They want to be told how to live their lives.

I am a member of a liberal christian denomination. Our members are not only allowed to think for ourselves, it is encouraged.

Above in response to my post:

In the Bible "common" prostitutes are often mentioned with no negative inference. The "sin" was the idolatry of the sex goddess prostitutes worshiping the fertility gods in the Temples.

In biblical times, a man could have as many wives, concubines and maidservants as he could afford.

Pre-marital sex was never an issue after the bride price was paid (betrothal). They had to wait until age 12/13 to marry, but sex was not a problem during this period since father been paid so no long less of a value for "used goods".

Marriage was about ownership. Man owning his wives, all the resulting children, etc. Divorce was bad since they ex-wife wound have to rely on her father for any support and, of course, again the man always owned the children.

Yes, let's go back to biblical principles at least regarding nothing wrong with non-goddess worshipping prostitution.

In response to another post I added:

Ignorant Christians based on indoctrination with no understanding of the language and culture.

For example, any honest theologian would agree "fornication" is a total lie in the English translation of the ancient Greek "porneia" More honest translations say, "sexual immorality" which is more accurate but has nothing to do with singles or sexuality other than the degrading defeated enemies by forcing male-male sex on them. Also says nothing about homosexuality which is a nature god given orientation and never addressed. Separate topic.

[DavePHX]

Constitutional Challenge to Prostitution Laws Update.

I give up trying to post report here and take out names of attorneys etc.

For huge update on this brillant in my view lawsuit and response to AG's motion to dismiss in Federal Court see.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18758

Regardless of the results of this Declaratory Action, it will wind up at the 9th circuit and if successful would eliminate all USA Prostitution laws related to in private consenting adults.

[Sencit]

Constitutional Challenge to Prostitution Laws Update.

I give up trying to post report here and take out names of attorneys etc.

For huge update on this brillant in my view lawsuit and response to AG's motion to dismiss in Federal Court see.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18758

Regardless of the results of this Declaratory Action, it will wind up at the 9th circuit and if successful would eliminate all USA Prostitution laws related to in private consenting adults.What do you think the chances are for a favorable outcome of this process?

It seems that recognizing "pay for sex" is a business and was regulated, it would help identify and prosecute immoral trafficking and underage abuse.

[DavePHX]

What do you think the chances are for a favorable outcome of this process?
It seems that recognizing "pay for sex" is a business and was regulated, it would help identify and prosecute immoral trafficking and underage abuse.In discussion with lawyers most think its 50/50. Either at District or on Appeals to the 9th Circuit.

We do not need "regulated" other than in commercial zoning, requiring of course condoms etc. Basically we seek decriminalization and everyone would be a lot safer.

The last thing we need is the Nevada situation with pimps as owners.

It should be like most of Europe, Asia and Canada (forgetting see-36 which most cities are not enforcing) where does well with the workers in charge of their own business or great agencies with drivers for safety etc. Obviously without the legal risks, victims would report real crime not private consenting adults.

[AzCore292]

Hi,

Met a couple of amateurs in late 90's early 2000's, rarely worked, usually a random pick up thing, one brown skinned and one white- Megan / Melissa? And Abby? Perhaps? Anyone remember them / have any stories, pictures, etc?

[Zero2016]

Hi,

Met a couple of amateurs in late 90's early 2000's, rarely worked, usually a random pick up thing, one brown skinned and one white- Megan / Melissa? And Abby? Perhaps? Anyone remember them / have any stories, pictures, etc?I knew a girl named Melissa what did she look like? Was she tall?

[AZChris]

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/miss-frankie-fetish-friendly/33507188

Looks very similar to a sting Glendale was doing last year before the superbowl. Provider is Frankie.

[DavePHX]

Teens think up clever condoms that would change colors to indicate STD exposure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/24/teens-invent-clever-condoms-that-change-colors-to-indicate-std-exposure/

[DavePHX]

7/1/2015 - Visa became the second major credit card company this week to stop allowing its card to be used to purchase adult ads on Backpage.com.

The decision came after a request from Cook County Sheriff Tom Dxxx, who wrote to both Visa and MasterCard earlier this week about his concerns that the ads are fueling the sex trade -- including the trafficking of minors.

MasterCard agreed to remove its card earlier this week. American Express took such action early this year.

At a news conference announcing Visa's decision, D lashed out at Backpage.com and its refusal to acknowledge how pimps and traffickers use the ads in its adult section.

Dart did not approach the digital currency bitcoin because it is a significantly riskier and less reputable form of finance, and therefore not as likely to be fueling the trade.

In April, Backpage published 1. 4 million adult services ads across the country, with the company bringing in at least $9 million, the sheriff's office said.

Meanwhile, since 2009, Cook County sheriff's officers have made more than 800 arrests by using information supplied in the ads. Those include more than 50 arrests for sex trafficking, involuntary servitude or prostitution promotion. (Dave notes 50 out of 800 and how many of them were consenting adult trafficking like helping adult women meet customers, drivers or phone helpers that are classified as pimps?

[DavePHX]

P411 Suspicious Report.

"No reviews, and phone number came up with multiple backpage ads closely dated together in three different states. " He is concerned because they exchanged e-mails with her talking about sex acts and he asked about FS.

She is listed as in Avondale at https://www.preferred411.com/P189204.

Dave notes: P411 is listed by FBI as a sex trafficking site. LE does use P411 and Gina tries to cover it up. Many Phoenix and other well-known companions have delisted from P411 due to legal risks and Gina's attitude. LE has been known to arrest escorts and use their P411 I'd for stings.

[DavePHX]

Police release 100's of names, notes from prostitution probe.

7/1/2015 - Tucson News Now.

The Tucson Police Department's illegal massage parlor investigation is uncovering hundreds, if not thousands of possible clients, based on call records and contact lists released by TPD on Wednesday, July 1.

TPD Chief Roberto V. Said some of the names on the list are "very recognizable" in this community.

The documents reveal hundreds of names, nicknames and notes about individuals, some of whom may be suspected of paying for sexual encounters at four unlicensed massage parlors across Tucson.

Phone numbers and email addresses of subjects were redacted by TPD for privacy purposes. Some numbers included were lifted from the contact list of phones previously seized by TPD.

"But I really want to caution that a lot of these phone numbers have no involvement at all in the (criminal) investigation. They were simply in the contact list of people we were investigating as part of this. ".

Records show one person contacted the illegal enterprise more than 13,000 times over a four-year period.

Documentation regarding "Daisy's Delights," presumably one of the women or groups of women providing services, includes notations and nicknames about certain clientele.

We found anecdotal notes like, "Didn't want to pay full amount," "Does not keep his appointment," "Newbie," "Army dude," and "Smelly-good doctor. ".

Tucson police uncovered the information while targeting illegal massage parlors with their organized crime unit. In doing so, they also found suspected wrongdoing within their own department.

Two officers have since resigned instead of facing an internal investigation. At least five more are on administrative leave as the criminal case continues.

In addition, the investigation includes airmen from Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Border Patrol agents, firefighters, at least one teacher and a pastor.

The documents reveal clients across southern Arizona, Oro Valley, many cities in the greater Phoenix area, Rio Rico, Nogales, Prescott Valley, Chicago and Mexican cities as far south as Hermosillo.

Seven Tucson police officers are being investigated by the Arizona Department of Public Safety for their alleged involvement with unlicensed massage parlors.

V. said criminal charges could be filed within the next few weeks.

[DavePHX]

Sample of Latest Scottsdale Arrests.

6/20/2014 Black Female Age 21 – and 7th St- 2 counts of escort advertisements without Scottsdale Permit number. From Buffalo NY.

6/24/2015 Asian Female Age 48 arrested and Scottsdale Rd, lives Mesa. Charges: Prostitution, Massage facility failure to maintain a log, intentionally viewing disrobed client, offering to engage in sexual conduct, Failure to display massage license, and failure to maintain sanitary requirements.