General Reports

[RimJim]

That's possible as I use a burner too. But I've been using this one for a little while now, at least as far back as some of those "reviews". Ultimately I don't give a shit what those girls actually have to say. In the decade+ I've been in the game, it's the first time I've ever heard anything like this.

But It is a little annoying to see anyone say I waste their time because the only times I can ever imagine someome saying I "wasted time" is if they're abnoxiously slow to respond or demand on a deposit.

Like a lot of guys, I don't often have a whole lot of free time to get out there. So when I do have time open up, I blast out several texts and usually hit the first one available. So I guess if that's wasting the other providers' time, then I am guilty as charged. I'd just be curious to see if the site they use would let me see who it is that said that so I can avoid messaging them in the future.

One response here said some of them use Mr. Number. I searched for that site but you have to pay a fee to use it nowadays.


This is interesting. Especially as quite a lot of people use burner numbers or online text numbers to provide. I wonder if yours got mixed with an old one?

[Stinkass]

She sent me these two. Then said to disregard one of them. Said it was a reveiw of the wrong guy / phone #. I removed the #s and contact info for obvious reasons. I'm assuming TWOT is total waste of time? Not 100% sure.SW have very little resources they can use to screen clients unless they are the high end type.

Hope we can respect their tools and not name this site.

Correct on Total Waste of Time.

[Crusty Cum Sox]

Not sure if this is the correct forum. However I was wondering if any of you know someone who does haircuts and some FS. I'm not talking about manscaping either just a decent haircut.

[Ace McNasty]

Not sure if this is the correct forum. However I was wondering if any of you know someone who does haircuts and some FS. I'm not talking about manscaping either just a decent haircut.First midgets. Now haircuts. Dude, you got anything against regular straightforward vanilla sex with a regular provider?

LOL.

[Crusty Cum Sox]

First midgets. Now haircuts. Dude, you got anything against regular straightforward vanilla sex with a regular provider?.Haha I have nothing against it I just like to explore. However I feel like people don't share the good providers and keep them a secret unless you have anything you'd like to recommend. I've done mainly AMPs and LC I've explored a few others but don't like sharing my I'd like most agencies ask for.

[Dtbj69]

Not sure if this is the correct forum. However I was wondering if any of you know someone who does haircuts and some FS. I'm not talking about manscaping either just a decent haircut.Highly unlikely a provider can give a decent haircut.

[Crusty Cum Sox]

Highly unlikely a provider can give a decent haircut.Yeah I didn't think it would be likey however there was a provider out in TX many years ago before I started mongering that was providing these services. A buddy of mine was telling me about but I knew it would be a shot in the dark.

[DesertFun]

The only one I've ever heard of that might fit the bill is Paula, a Thai lady downtown. She's got some miles on her but she aims to please, mostly advertises the "manscaping" skills, but I'm sure she can take care of a real haircut as well. I have not partaken of her services as I am involved in the Thai community at the local temple so I keep my playtime separate from there for reputation purposes. She is a "friend of friends" and attends occasionally, so that's why I have never seen her for her services. You should be able to find her pretty easily.


Not sure if this is the correct forum. However I was wondering if any of you know someone who does haircuts and some FS. I'm not talking about manscaping either just a decent haircut.

[Ocrealguy]

Yeah I didn't think it would be likey however there was a provider out in TX many years ago before I started mongering that was providing these services. A buddy of mine was telling me about but I knew it would be a shot in the dark.Curious if you are referencing Nancy in Dallas? She ran a nail and hair solon, would often times book appointments and lock up the shop for play time. She left Dallas for Fla and I don't believe she is still in the 'business'. In the OC, there is Lin at LBC, she is mature but IMHO still decent looking. She does a decent haircut, and if you connect with her play time is available but may take a couple visits. Still I like her haircuts. BTW, still has some nice tits!

[Relief]

Not sure if this is the correct forum. However I was wondering if any of you know someone who does haircuts and some FS. I'm not talking about manscaping either just a decent haircut.I've seen this ad in CL, with one specific picture of herself that made me think of other possibilities. Give her a try and let us know!

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bts/d/national-city-latina-barber/7814189098.html

[Zehe123]

Hi guys, if you are looking for a great place to monger, I would highly recommend Barcelona, Spain. I was there for some time and was amazed by the talent and selection. One of the greatest thing about mongering outside the USA, is that most girls usually post real recent pictures of themselves. No fake stuff and showing up to the place and the girl not looking anything like the photo. The amounted of houses you can visit with a line up of girls and the 100's of independent girls it was like fantasy land.

I visited one girl multiple times at a house with a dozen girl and luckily she spoke English and was from South America. I think she fell in love with me the moment she saw me. Basically looked at me and said "do whatever you want". She was a 3 hole provider and literally was down for anything, BBFS if I wanted but did not participate. Fulfilled a dream of just facefucking a girl like crazy in every position I could and watching her makeup smear everywhere. Literally no resistance to be treating her like my person fuck doll. I finished deep down her throat as she was choaking on the load of cum. Swallow it all and kept sucking away. After that visit I went back of course and did it all over again and finished all over her face. This time though she asked if I wanted to record, and of course I did!

Another girl I can't keep out of my mind is the young Colombian girl that I have attached in the photo. Probably spent easily over $1 k seeing here. Not only does she have an all natural body to die for, she spoke English and the best part was she had zero gag reflex and was very proud of her technique. Having an above average friend, it was another dream come true. Being able to lay her on her back and just throat fuck such a beautiful girl and see my friend elevate her throat up and down was mind blowing. I went back so many time and tried to get her to marry me but I guarantee she has plenty of guys like up wanting that! Being so young I could not find a flaw on her body and having all these techniques at such a young age has me wondering.

Overall, two dreams fulfilled I wanted to share. But there was much more than this for sure and if you're thinking of a place to monger, Barcelona is the place to go. Average price around 70 euro for 30 min of amazing time!You have the same dream as me. But it's extremely difficult for me to go to Spain, LOL. If I ever do, I'm saving like 10 k purely for pleasure.

[RimJim]

Eh. Save your money. I thought the same thing based on her pics and took her up on an overpriced haircut. Her body is built for banging, but she's a super cholla type. Kind of TJ ghetto attitude. And after the haircut I asked her if she offered anything else. (ie manscaping, massage, etc). She said absolutely not! She said she gets asked that all the time. I said "No Shit! It's because you're a barber who posts pictures of yourself in your underwear!" Go see her if you want a $50 regular haircut though. LOL.


I've seen this ad in CL, with one specific picture of herself that made me think of other possibilities. Give her a try and let us know!

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bts/d/national-city-latina-barber/7814189098.html

[BigDee44]

Anyone willing to share their pretty faced masseuses for HE OR BJ? I know the body matters and love women's bodies, but I've been wanting to see someone who is pretty in this game. I know it is a tough ask, but thanks in advance.

[Ptown24]

Sister spa in Casa De Oro has a pretty provider in my humble opinion. She looks about 44, bug takes care of her skin and does her makeup nicely, plus has huge tits. Lets you play and suck on them for 60.

[Jaguar300ZX]

I've done 4-hand's massages a few times before, but I've now decided to no longer do it. Here is my reasoning;.

If you are a known safe customer who the Management considers to be a good Tipper, then they will eventually offer you a 4-hands massage.

Initially you may think that you have unlocked some type of High-Tier bonus or privilege, -but that thinking is incorrect, this is just the Management's attempt to get you to spend more money.

Any punter can walk in off the street and get a 4-hands massage, even on his first visit (and even if there aren't enough providers immediately available).

In that situation Management will make a provider who is already in one session, bounce back-forth between two customers, -or even have Mamasan help out in the session.

Logistically speaking, (even if it's a slow day) the chances are just too high that the 2nd girl will have to frequently leave the session to either; greet walk in customers, answer phone calls / texts, or juggle multiple customers.

Be advised, there's is no pro-rated discount for a 4-hand massage if either girl has to temporarily leave the session.

Each provider will expect to be paid a full 'House Fee' for their time, and also expect to be paid a full 'Extra Tip Fee' for any Extras, -even if she isn't the one that made you Pop.

So, although each provider only does half the work, you'll still be expected to pay double for both their time and service.

And since you'll be getting double the Attention / Stimulation in a 4-hand massage, there's a good chance you'll probably lose your Nut sooner than for the time you paid for, -thus shorting yourself on time.

I've found that dividing my attention between two providers is very distracting, and it's more enjoyable to focus my attention on just one provider per session.

Financially speaking, a 4-hands massage is rarely ever worth the extra cost. Unless, of course, you have Two Cocks.

[Fonmyj]

I've done 4-hand's massages a few times before, but I've now decided to no longer do it. Here is my reasoning;.

If you are a known safe customer who the Management considers to be a good Tipper, then they will eventually offer you a 4-hands massage.

Initially you may think that you have unlocked some type of High-Tier bonus or privilege, -but that thinking is incorrect, this is just the Management's attempt to get you to spend more money.

Any punter can walk in off the street and get a 4-hands massage, even on his first visit (and even if there aren't enough providers immediately available).

In that situation Management will make a provider who is already in one session, bounce back-forth between two customers, -or even have Mamasan help out in the session.

Logistically speaking, (even if it's a slow day) the chances are just too high that the 2nd girl will have to frequently leave the session to either; greet walk in customers, answer phone calls / texts, or juggle multiple customers.

Be advised, there's is no pro-rated discount for a 4-hand massage if either girl has to temporarily leave the session.

Each provider will expect to be paid a full 'House Fee' for their time, and also expect to be paid a full 'Extra Tip Fee' for any Extras, -even if she isn't the one that made you Pop.

So, although each provider only does half the work, you'll still be expected to pay double for both their time and service.

And since you'll be getting double the Attention / Stimulation in a 4-hand massage, there's a good chance you'll probably lose your Nut sooner than for the time you paid for, -thus shorting yourself on time.

I've found that dividing my attention between two providers is very distracting, and it's more enjoyable to focus my attention on just one provider per session.

Financially speaking, a 4-hands massage is rarely ever worth the extra cost. Unless, of course, you have Two Cocks.I'm with you 100% on those points. Most of the times I've been propositioned to do the 4 hand, it's been from a provider who isn't that great to begin with. Certainly not interested in paying double for two, mediocre at best, providers trying to rush me.

[DragonBorn69]

I've done 4-hand's massages a few times before, but I've now decided to no longer do it. Here is my reasoning;.

If you are a known safe customer who the Management considers to be a good Tipper, then they will eventually offer you a 4-hands massage.

Initially you may think that you have unlocked some type of High-Tier bonus or privilege, -but that thinking is incorrect, this is just the Management's attempt to get you to spend more money.

Any punter can walk in off the street and get a 4-hands massage, even on his first visit (and even if there aren't enough providers immediately available).

In that situation Management will make a provider who is already in one session, bounce back-forth between two customers, -or even have Mamasan help out in the session.

Logistically speaking, (even if it's a slow day) the chances are just too high that the 2nd girl will have to frequently leave the session to either; greet walk in customers, answer phone calls / texts, or juggle multiple customers.

Be advised, there's is no pro-rated discount for a 4-hand massage if either girl has to temporarily leave the session.

Each provider will expect to be paid a full 'House Fee' for their time, and also expect to be paid a full 'Extra Tip Fee' for any Extras, -even if she isn't the one that made you Pop.

So, although each provider only does half the work, you'll still be expected to pay double for both their time and service.

And since you'll be getting double the Attention / Stimulation in a 4-hand massage, there's a good chance you'll probably lose your Nut sooner than for the time you paid for, -thus shorting yourself on time.

I've found that dividing my attention between two providers is very distracting, and it's more enjoyable to focus my attention on just one provider per session.

Financially speaking, a 4-hands massage is rarely ever worth the extra cost. Unless, of course, you have Two Cocks.Totally agree with this also.

[DexCum]

Financially speaking, a 4-hands massage is rarely ever worth the extra cost. Unless, of course, you have Two Cocks.
Agree with you on this. I did a four hands once to check it off my bucket list and it wasn't that fun. Having a time limit and needing to swap cover between the two completely killed it for me. I'd rather have two separate sessions and pop twice.

[VinDrake]

Anyone willing to share their pretty faced masseuses for HE OR BJ? I know the body matters and love women's bodies, but I've been wanting to see someone who is pretty in this game. I know it is a tough ask, but thanks in advance.Nicole at Sakura has been reviewed lately. Decent rub, face down teasing and sensual release. Easily looks late 20's but is likely early 40's. Tight and toned body with a great ass for a asian (thai).

[VinDrake]

Not sure if this is the correct forum. However I was wondering if any of you know someone who does haircuts and some FS. I'm not talking about manscaping either just a decent haircut.https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bts/d/national-city-latina-barber/7818087008.html

Ran across this ad. She's been posting for several weeks for haircuts and has recently added manzilian / manscaping to her services. Might be a good option for a one stop shop. Haven't tried her cause I'm faithful to my barber but might be worth a shot.

[Tijuaniko]

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bts/d/national-city-latina-barber/7818087008.html

Ran across this ad. She's been posting for several weeks for haircuts and has recently added manzilian / manscaping to her services. Might be a good option for a one stop shop. Haven't tried her cause I'm faithful to my barber but might be worth a shot.I saw her two weeks ago.

Initially tried to see her for massage, haircut, shave, and manzillian. She said she does FBSM once a month from a hotel and doesn't do the other services while offering massage. So we set up for the massage only. She ghosted me twice in the same day so I never got the massage. First time, she went to get food and timed it wrong. She told me to come back late night and promised she'd wait. So I went back and she ghosted me again. She told me later that she got tired and went home.

A few days later we hooked up for a haircut, shave, and manzillian. I went to her shop and she did a great haircut, shave, and manzillian but she's a bit pricey. There was no other action in the shop though. She won't do any extras there.

Also, it doesn't sound like she'll do FS as part of the massage. She'll only do a HJ. And she's definitely a bit thicker than she looks in those filtered photos.

[PenguinsAndieg]

Cross posting from the humaniplex thread for more exposure.

Was driving through Chula Vista today and saw some explicit sex pictures and a sticker that Read "I love head CIA Tijuana Crew".

Anybody know what that is? Is that a new provider crew around?

[Crusty Cum Sox]

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bts/d/national-city-latina-barber/7818087008.html

Ran across this ad. She's been posting for several weeks for haircuts and has recently added manzilian / manscaping to her services. Might be a good option for a one stop shop. Haven't tried her cause I'm faithful to my barber but might be worth a shot.Hey thanks for the info I actually went to see her unfortunately she did not give me any other tells that she does FS. It's a shame I would have enjoyed her regardless I got the haircut.

[MaximusKahn]

I agree with the previous posts on 4 hand sessions. Generally speaking 4 hands is not really worth it.

They want you to pay the house fee for both girls, and then they both expect a regular full service tip. Figure 70 for 1 hour HS that's 140, and a common FS tip can be 160 for each, 320. So you are out the door at 460! And if you are a walk in, you have no idea what you'll really be getting for that cost.

There are exceptions. If it was the amazing experience like at VIP where a girl would walk in to surprise mongers with a free taste of 4 hands, then by all means soak up the joy. But that is now just a memory, for those lucky mongers who experienced it.

The last time I did 4 hands, it was with one of my regulars and she was all about a deal. It must have been a slow day, and I think the new girl wasn't making any money, and my girl wanted her to get something. My regular kept asking me if I wanted 4 hands, which she has never done before, and persisted. She made me a deal and since she kept asking for it, I agreed.

The new girl was thin and cute, and very excited to be invited in. I can tell you, being naked with two naked pretty Asian women, where both are working hard to please you is a fantastic experience. And that is the key, both were eager to please me, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. I paid one house fee for the hour, 70. And the tip they shared was 230. I had my fun for 300, which is a low price for 4 hands and I felt it was well worth it.

I know this was a unique opportunity because my same regular has not suggested 4 hands since. Maybe she wanted to help a friend, maybe she wanted to rest her pussy, either way it was fun for me.

So, I would say, if the offer comes from a regular who knows you, and they will deal, I'd say give it a try. When it's a walk in experience with many unknowns offered at full price I'd say decline.

MX.

[Sdsaluki]

Has anyone tried the gel with the provider? I used it with the SO for the quickie and when I have no patience to wait for the blue pill to take effect 😂.

I haven't use it yet with a provider but I don't seem to need it with them 😂.

[MaximusKahn]

If I were the Operations Manager for Thad's I have a few ideas to introduce to their business operations.

These proposals would apply to Friday and Saturday nights, and may be adjusted for special occasions, and holidays.

Pricing.

Single women would be allowed in Free. The more women encouraged to show up, the more paying men you can allow in.

Couples would pay $30, and be offered a bottle of Champaign as a gift, up to 9:30. While supply lasts, but if I was the manager, supply would always last.

2 or more single women coming together would also receive a bottle of bubbly up to 9:30. The investment would be worth it.

Single men pay $100 up to 9:30 and $120 from 9:31 to when ever the cut off is. Continue giving Military and Student discounts.

Consider a Regular attendee or VIP list of men who come regularly, and charge $80. Determine what makes someone a regular. Be it the number visits a month or year, or their volunteer help.

Have a discount on the second night for someone coming both Friday and Saturday nights. (Excluding regulars, who should be attending regularly anyway and already get a discount).

Attendance.

Single men would be limited. A good ratio of M: W would be calculated and then as women would come additional men would be permitted to attend. This will create a line, but it will also make it a more comfortable balance, and add an air of being an exclusive cllub.

As men leave, more men can come in, balancing the ratio. However, as women leave, the men inside would remain.

This removes what seems to be a growing problem of women being uncomfortable with hordes of horny men being pushy. And this reduces the competition amongst the horny hordes. Making both the women and the men happier.

It is obvious the hordes of single guys bring in the money, but if the hordes are limited, more women and couples will show up, and although, it may be a financial hit at first, as more women and couples come by using the ratio you will allow more higher paying men in.

Security / Staff.

More security is necessary. There needs to be staff bouncers (plural) inside, at the front door, and someone to watch the parking lot. Even the working bartenders can do a loop around the rooms when there are two on shift. Or at a shift change. Bartenders become part of the "security" cadre.

To augment the staff, the "regulars" would understand that as a regular; they must agree to be alert for a half hour during the night (inside), and to monitor things going on at the "Party". They are not staff, but can speak up to correct a situation, or report to the staff to get the situation addressed. The point is that someone is paying attention to what is going on. This lets the customers (especially the women) know that they are kept safe and the assholes will learn that misbehavior is going to be addressed. Moreover, any single person will have someone to reach out to if they have any issues with a patron.

When it is popularly known that women and couples feel safe and have a good time, the total numbers of patrons will increase.

I think this will create a safer more comfortable environment. Thus allowing Thads to compete better with other clubs and events in San Diego. I also think it will encourage single women and couples, which is the bread and butter (Milk and Honey) of swing clubs.

Maybe just my two cents or perhaps some fine free business advice. I'd sure hate to see Thad's go the way of the Dodo.

[Nannersd]

I agree about the double the normal fee for a four hands / two girl session. I usually have to pay two house fees and then the normal FS tip to each girl. So it is a $400 cost for a 30 m minute two girl session.

Once. Years ago. I saw my ATF, and she said she wanted me to see the new girl who wasn't making any money. Apparently she felt bad for her. I told my ATF that I really wanted to see her (the ATF), so she said well lets do a two girl. I told her I did not have the funds for a two girl. And my ATF told me that she would be free that day. She said it would be my birthday present. (My birthday was 6 months away LOL).


I agree with the previous posts on 4 hand sessions. Generally speaking 4 hands is not really worth it.

They want you to pay the house fee for both girls, and then they both expect a regular full service tip. Figure 70 for 1 hour HS that's 140, and a common FS tip can be 160 for each, 320. So you are out the door at 460! And if you are a walk in, you have no idea what you'll really be getting for that cost.

There are exceptions. If it was the amazing experience like at VIP where a girl would walk in to surprise mongers with a free taste of 4 hands, then by all means soak up the joy. But that is now just a memory, for those lucky mongers who experienced it..

[NudeBeachPerv]

If I were the Operations Manager for Thad's I have a few ideas to introduce to their business operations.

These proposals would apply to Friday and Saturday nights, and may be adjusted for special occasions, and holidays.

Pricing.

Single women would be allowed in Free. The more women encouraged to show up, the more paying men you can allow in.

Couples would pay $30, and be offered a bottle of Champaign as a gift, up to 9:30. While supply lasts, but if I was the manager, supply would always last.

2 or more single women coming together would also receive a bottle of bubbly up to 9:30. The investment would be worth it..The "current administration" doesn't seem interested in good natured advice. The "previous administration," a jolly guy known as "Pete" would be much more open to such suggestions.

Also, you mention "security. " IDK if they are paid or volunteer, but many were far from professional. I've seen someone receive a "lifetime ban" and be back 2 months later. I've seen a "security guard" give a "bull" a nod and allow him to walk into the couples area without a woman with him.

As far as your idea to give couples a bottle of champagne, IDK if this would be possible. My understanding is Thad's does not have a liquor license. That's why it is BYOB. The bartenders are more like coat checkers than bar tenders who serve drinks. You drop off the drink and then fetch it later in the evening.

Your idea of having regulars double up as "hall monitors" sounds great on paper but IDK how it would work in the real world. What happens when one regular gets an invite to play with on hall monitor duty, does another regular cover for them and then they make up the last 15 minutes of their shift? What happens when a regular had too much to drink? What happens when one person has a different idea of what constitutes "consent" based on another? (I think there is a huge generational divide on this one.) My experience in work situations is that there is always that guy who expects you to cover for him but never covers for you, should I be less cynical with "Thad's regulars"?

Sorry if I sound harsh, Max. I think you are a cool guy and if we met under the right circumstances, we would likely enjoy a drink together and have plenty of stories to share IRL. Even though I have ben very critical of Thad's, I do acknowledge that it has ben many people's introduction into the lifestyle. That's a double edge sword. Some people who would've presumably loved the lifestyle were turned off by things at Thads such as the dilapidated conditions never to return. Some were motivated to seek out better situations. It is what it is.

[Nzox34]

I was at Lucky foot massage in Rancho Bernardo the other day because my office is close by. A few months ago I had a regular girl there and I always had a really good time, BBBJ, CFS. But this time I was greeted by a girl in sweatpants I got a friendly hug and a decent massage and I was clearly signaling that I would like to have more then an oily handjob. She kind of groaned let me grab her nipples and tried a halfhazard uninspiring BBBJ that she didn't even finish. She just walked out grabbed a hot towel and wiped me down. Once she tried to proceed to with a massage I just got up, dressed and left. It seems like this place turned into a regular mediocre HE place. So if you expect more you will be disappointed.

[BluesBalls]

I was at Lucky foot massage in Rancho Bernardo the other day because my office is close by. A few months ago I had a regular girl there and I always had a really good time, BBBJ, CFS. But this time I was greeted by a girl in sweatpants I got a friendly hug and a decent massage and I was clearly signaling that I would like to have more then an oily handjob. She kind of groaned let me grab her nipples and tried a halfhazard uninspiring BBBJ that she didn't even finish. She just walked out grabbed a hot towel and wiped me down. Once she tried to proceed to with a massage I just got up, dressed and left. It seems like this place turned into a regular mediocre HE place. So if you expect more you will be disappointed.Sucks to hear. But did you still tip her for the BBBJ or did you walk out without tipping? If you didn't tip, didn't come out too badm.

[Nzox34]

Sucks to hear. But did you still tip her for the BBBJ or did you walk out without tipping? If you didn't tip, didn't come out too badm.I always put the tip upfront on the side table, I don't like the negotiations once the teasing gets me excited.

[ElmersGoo]

I think it was Wednesday I could not get to the site. Anyone else experience this for about a day or maybe it was a few hours on that day?

I was thinking maybe the Trump administration and his Christian front was looking to ban this site.

[ArrogantBstrd]

I drop by the Clairemont location whenever I'm waiting to meet a provider in the area. One notable peep show woman is a blonde MILF. Beautiful body, tight skin. Fun to watch when you're killing time. Just $20.

I have counted two others besides the blonde MILF. One big Latina, another big white girl.

Peep show girls aside, there are a lot of weirdos wandering around the building. Not sure what their goals are. Not a fan.

[Ptown24]

I opted for FS with a provider earlier today. I was already ready to go, but asked for a BBBJ for starters. She wipes the tip with an alcohol swab, puts her face real close to the tip, and proceeds to jerk me off while blowing hot air onto the tip (as if you were breathing on glasses before cleaning them). WTF kind of bullshit is this? I almost wanted to jam it down her throat at this point, but took her to pound town instead. And I also figured out why mongers take the back door out of an establishment. I opened the door and had a dog on a leash charge me barking loud as fuck. A minute ago I busted a fat nut, now I'm about to kick a dog in the ribs! Was a wild day. Has anyone ever experienced this technique before?

[Rancher Bob]

I opted for FS with a provider earlier today. I was already ready to go, but asked for a BBBJ for starters. She wipes the tip with an alcohol swab, puts her face real close to the tip, and proceeds to jerk me off while blowing hot air onto the tip (as if you were breathing on glasses before cleaning them). WTF kind of bullshit is this? I almost wanted to jam it down her throat at this point, but took her to pound town instead. And I also figured out why mongers take the back door out of an establishment. I opened the door and had a dog on a leash charge me barking loud as fuck. A minute ago I busted a fat nut, now I'm about to kick a dog in the ribs! Was a wild day. Has anyone ever experienced this technique before?May be misinterpreting the "Blow" in BBBJ. LOL.

[NudeBeachPerv]

I drop by the Clairemont location whenever I'm waiting to meet a provider in the area. One notable peep show woman is a blonde MILF. Beautiful body, tight skin. Fun to watch when you're killing time. Just $20.

I have counted two others besides the blonde MILF. One big Latina, another big white girl.

Peep show girls aside, there are a lot of weirdos wandering around the building. Not sure what their goals are. Not a fan.There are some shady characters for sure! Buy your supplies then GTFO or get your show and then GTFO!

[BluesBalls]

I opted for FS with a provider earlier today. I was already ready to go, but asked for a BBBJ for starters. She wipes the tip with an alcohol swab, puts her face real close to the tip, and proceeds to jerk me off while blowing hot air onto the tip (as if you were breathing on glasses before cleaning them). WTF kind of bullshit is this? I almost wanted to jam it down her throat at this point, but took her to pound town instead. And I also figured out why mongers take the back door out of an establishment. I opened the door and had a dog on a leash charge me barking loud as fuck. A minute ago I busted a fat nut, now I'm about to kick a dog in the ribs! Was a wild day. Has anyone ever experienced this technique before?Getting kicked in the ribs? Can't say that I have.

Weird girl though.

[Ptown24]

Are Latinas normally only at popular, high end spas? I've actually never seen one at one of these normal, regular spas. They're like a specialty, and have higher pricing associated with them. Do you guys have any thoughts on the subject?

[MaximusKahn]

Those who monger but have to be careful with a significant other in their lives.

What alibi do you use?

In the past these are my three favorites to get unquestioned time alone to monger.

If you are a golfer, this is easy. A good golf day takes hours. You can say you play 18 but play 9, plenty of spare time. You can also use practice at the range. But you need to be a real golfer.

Going for a ride on my motorcycle is another hobby that gets you time. I'd put phone in saddle bag and let her know I can't answer the phone. Complete communication black out.

I've also used going for a long hike. But you have to monger before your hike to avoid being all sweaty and dirty.

I know guys who use the gym as their escape free time. But I've noticed that women get suspicious of the gym fearing you're looking at other women there. And jealous women tend to show up at the gym looking for their man. Looks bad if you say you're at the gym and they come looking and you're not there.

Same as your regular bar time. They have a place they can come looking for you. No bueno. And if they show up and you're not there, better have a good alibi to back that alibi.

Using being with a friend can also be a bad idea on two fronts. They can make calls to you or them, and you might have to ask a friend to lie. Which can be problematic is they suck at lying.

The old working late, or working overtime is good unless they can call you at work.

I'll ask again, what alibi do you, or have you used with a significant other?

[Ivysballoons]

Some of my married buddies use me as an Excuse. I have to help my buddy out on his car. Or we have a project together that we need to finish. The lies get deeper, but I get paid to cover their asses. I take their phone and drive around several areas. Their wives track their phones. There's other details that I cannot mention, Proprietary secrets. DM me.


Those who monger but have to be careful with a significant other in their lives.

What alibi do you use?

In the past these are my three favorites to get unquestioned time alone to monger.

If you are a golfer, this is easy. A good golf day takes hours. You can say you play 18 but play 9, plenty of spare time. You can also use practice at the range. But you need to be a real golfer.

Going for a ride on my motorcycle is another hobby that gets you time. I'd put phone in saddle bag and let her know I can't answer the phone. Complete communication black out.

I've also used going for a long hike. But you have to monger before your hike to avoid being all sweaty and dirty.

I know guys who use the gym as their escape free time. But I've noticed that women get suspicious of the gym fearing you're looking at other women there. And jealous women tend to show up at the gym looking for their man. Looks bad if you say you're at the gym and they come looking and you're not there.

Same as your regular bar time. They have a place they can come looking for you. No bueno. And if they show up and you're not there, better have a good alibi to back that alibi.

Using being with a friend can also be a bad idea on two fronts. They can make calls to you or them, and you might have to ask a friend to lie. Which can be problematic is they suck at lying.

The old working late, or working overtime is good unless they can call you at work.

I'll ask again, what alibi do you, or have you used with a significant other?

[DoubleEntendre]

Are Latinas normally only at popular, high end spas? I've actually never seen one at one of these normal, regular spas. They're like a specialty, and have higher pricing associated with them. Do you guys have any thoughts on the subject?It depends. They're usually only at FS places and yes they will charge more. Not always worth it IMO but it depends on the girl.

[BluesBalls]

Some of my married buddies use me as an Excuse. I have to help my buddy out on his car. Or we have a project together that we need to finish. The lies get deeper, but I get paid to cover their asses. I take their phone and drive around several areas. Their wives track their phones. There's other details that I cannot mention, Proprietary secrets. DM me.Maybe this is one of the secrets, but what happens if the wife calls their phone and they're not there to answer? Do you answer for them and make up a lie or do you refuse to answer both phones until they get back? Seems like a pain. LOL.

[BluesBalls]

Are Latinas normally only at popular, high end spas? I've actually never seen one at one of these normal, regular spas. They're like a specialty, and have higher pricing associated with them. Do you guys have any thoughts on the subject?Don't know if they're at the elite spas, necessarily. There are Latinas at Stars, even fucked a German / Czech pawg there, and I really don't consider it high-end. No shade to Stars.

My thoughts are they are a rip off. If you want a Latina, go to TJ. You can find hotter Latinas there who will be open to more. Going to these spas, the Latinas will charge you at least double what you would get charged in TJ and they do less. At the spas, I only go Asian, who do more for less. If I want a Latina, I go to TJ. I guess the only time it makes sense is if you don't have a passport or can't cross for some reason, but maybe still better to do independents. I haven't really explored independent FS with Latinas though given TJ so can't comment but I'd expect it to be better service given the privacy, etc.

The only draw for these Latinas at Spas is that they're from Colombia. Big deal.

[Ptown24]

Thank you gentlemen. Had a lackluster performance with a Latina at 201 today. Too many rules and she wasn't tight. Waste of money.

[BigDee44]

Trying to get my contributions up to 50 so I can post with the others.

I know this will be lame because the purpose of this site is to find ways to be satisfied. However, if you're just looking for a great massage, Balboa Luxury Thai massage off Balboa is truly legit for a deep tissue with stretching massage. No it's not erotic, but they will massage you everywhere and it is nice to have a great massage that isn't from your typical spa like massage eNvy. If you want more after a good massage, just go next door after your Thai massage and get what you want.

[WoodenWord82]

Thank you gentlemen. Had a lackluster performance with a Latina at 201 today. Too many rules and she wasn't tight. Waste of money.That's why I stay away from there.

[ArrogantBstrd]

I have been experimenting with OF for the past few days. LOL.

BLUF (Bottom Line Up Front): It's pretty much an online strip club.

I have actually met quite a few porn stars in the wild, but they never remember me until I send them a picture that we took together. Even then, they probably still don't remember.

Treat it like a strip club. Every conversation is transactional. You might subscribe for $3 (three dollars), but the content you want to see is $20+. Also, as with strip clubs, you're only as important as your wallet.

Anyway. Interesting times interacting with supposed adult actresses, but I could have spent my money on a subscription to VR Latina.

Oh, very noteworthy, if you know who Tinna Angel is on PornHub, she has a face fuck video on OF. Good times. LOL.

[MaximusKahn]

Two of my favorite girls have gone to China at the same time for a vacation, so I had to venture out to find replacements. I don't go to the same spas and get a new girl because I like to give my regulars the feeling of being exclusive at that location. Just my methodology.

I went back to a place I've not been to in a while. We are lucky we have so many spas to choose. My preference is to go to one-hour regular HJ massage spas and see if I can seduce my masseuse to up the menu for me. Usually this takes time, but this is my hobby.

Found a 30's something, pretty, petite, and friendly on my first visit out. We hit it off, and she bared beautiful tits and her bare pussy for me and happily gave me an awesome MSOG experience. She had potential, so I went back 4 days later. She was friendly, bubbly, and didn't disappoint.

When fun time came and her tits were out and her yoga pants down I asked for FS. She got shy and said no, but I persisted and said I have a condom. She put her finger on her lips, like shhh. I said I won't tell. I got the condom and she put her finger over my lips and I said I won't tell again. We ran through some of the usual positions without rush or any fake performances. Just right to my liking. I don't think she had an orgasm, but I did.

I know I'm not the first, or the only guy to get FS from her, but I could tell that although this might be common enough, it was not something she did every time. Interestingly, when in a non-FS spa, the girls who will give FS tend to keep their clothes half on. They pull their tops up, or down, and keep one leg in their yoga pants. All in case they have to get dressed quickly. Which they seem to do in a split second when needed. Another clue she is an easy FS girl, is when she asked how much? I said 1. 4, and she replied, bring more next time, so she knows that FS can go for more. I'm fine with that. It's possible to get FS between 1. And 1. 4 with the right girls, but she's worth 1. 6 in my book.

When she's that good on my second visit, she will be in my rotation for a while.

I'm sworn to secrecy so I can't divulge time, place, or performer, but I can encourage every monger to enjoy our hobby and know you can find the diamonds in the rough. Sometimes rather easily. I think with the economy in question and inflation killing us with a recession stalking us, it will be tough on the spas. Sure, we all cut back in uncertain times, but we still need to eat and fuck, so I know mongering won't stop, but it might slow down. This is good because the girls will do more to get your dollars and a return visit from you. Time to take full advantage.

Did I mention her massages were fantastic too? Both times, my time and money was well spent.

Happy mongering, Max.

[ArrogantBstrd]

Happy mongering, Max.

Nice, man. You're in a good spot that the newer mongers should wish to aspire to. It's good that you've established rapport. You might be only a step or two away from receiving that random booty call. All services free.

For you newer folk, there have been a couple of meets where the provider would have let me cum on her face on the first meet based on other provider reviews. Establishing rapport helps on several levels. For me, a specific example would be Latina Lilly. I was sat on a couch while she rubbed me out. She suddenly said, "Do you want to cum on my face?"

Yes, I did, but I busted as soon as she asked. Try again another day.

Goddamn Latinas...

[Lion1]

I subscribed to several "free" content creators as they like to be called. It gets old fast, as a sexting session can cost more than a trip to an AMP, and you're probably sexting with som e dude in the Philippines.


I have been experimenting with OF for the past few days. LOL.
BLUF (Bottom Line Up Front): It's pretty much an online strip club.

[Rey KittyHawk]

Ever notice you can't open a spa unless you have a girl named, CiCi, Anna, Lulu, or Coco?

What I've noticed.

The Cicis have great tits.

The Annas love to fuck.

The Lulus are fun and pleasers.

And the Cocos are just fucking beautiful.

[MaximusKahn]

Thanks ArrogantBstrd, always enjoy your posts.

I agree establishing a rapport is very important to larger menus and special privileges.

Saw my new girl recently, and loved the way her smile lit up when I walked in. Our session was even better than the last as she stripped full nude right at the flip. She knows what I came for and obliged nicely. I also did my best to be sure she had a good time too. My advice still is, if you make a good connection visit often to reinforce it.

I am concerned about my two regulars who are visiting China. Not sure what their immigration status is but under this political climate towards immigrants they might not be able to get back into the country. Unfortunately I have no communication with them when they left the USA. I'm hoping they can get back in, I'd like to enjoy them again.


Nice, man. You're in a good spot that the newer mongers should wish to aspire to. It's good that you've established rapport. You might be only a step or two away from receiving that random booty call. All services free.

For you newer folk, there have been a couple of meets where the provider would have let me cum on her face on the first meet based on other provider reviews. Establishing rapport helps on several levels. For me, a specific example would be Latina Lilly. I was sat on a couch while she rubbed me out. She suddenly said, "Do you want to cum on my face?"

Yes, I did, but I busted as soon as she asked. Try again another day.

Goddamn Latinas...

[Crusty Cum Sox]

Gents I really want to get into the world of K / J providers however the two places I've messaged want an Id and I don't feel comfortable. How did you all get past this or did you all have to submit a photo Id?

[FingerLicking]

Gents I really want to get into the world of K / J providers however the two places I've messaged want an Id and I don't feel comfortable. How did you all get past this or did you all have to submit a photo Id?Probably HX network.

[ArrogantBstrd]

Gents I really want to get into the world of K / J providers however the two places I've messaged want an Id and I don't feel comfortable. How did you all get past this or did you all have to submit a photo Id?Get a rating from S99, then the K Agencies will accept you.

[SimonJonesUK]

Get a rating from S99, then the K Agencies will accept you.How can S99 provide a rating? I contacted them to ask and they just responded with today's offerings.

[Ivysballoons]

Ever notice you can't open a spa unless you have a girl named, CiCi, Anna, Lulu, or Coco?

What I've noticed.

The Cicis have great tits.

The Annas love to fuck.

The Lulus are fun and pleasers.

And the Cocos are just fucking beautiful.And what names to stay away from?

[Rey KittyHawk]

And what names to stay away from?Since I usually ask for their name if the session goes well, the ones that were regrettable and fell in the never go back category are nameless to me and easily forgotten.

Others may have some suggestions.

Probably would have been good to get a name to warn others. I am cautious about posting negative reviews but I think there are posts that provide enough of that information already.

[Rey KittyHawk]

We know the police do raids, but has ICE done any immigration raids on any provider locations?

[BluesBalls]

Can anyone make a guess, based on past experience, what will happen in our beloved hobby as the economy tanks further?

I'm hoping that prices will decease as girls get more desperate and guys partake less but not holding my breath. I know that while an economy can crash, people still need their ass and drinks, etc.

If prices decrease, maybe I could keep frequenting establishments. But I personally won't keep it up (har har) at the same rate and frequency anymore if it gets really bad. It's not really worth it, rather have some savings in case I end up without work. Maybe a monthly massage and HE until things get better. I'll probably just end up finding a FWB or gf or something LOL.

How are the rest of you feeling?

[BKane80]

Can anyone make a guess, based on past experience, what will happen in our beloved hobby as the economy tanks further?

I'm hoping that prices will decease as girls get more desperate and guys partake less but not holding my breath. I know that while an economy can crash, people still need their ass and drinks, etc.

If prices decrease, maybe I could keep frequenting establishments. But I personally won't keep it up (har har) at the same rate and frequency anymore if it gets really bad. It's not really worth it, rather have some savings in case I end up without work. Maybe a monthly massage and HE until things get better. I'll probably just end up finding a FWB or gf or something LOL.

How are the rest of you feeling?I know that I need to save money, but I am too addicted to hobby. I tried to do the monthly massage thing, but could only make it a few days before I would relapse. If I had better self control I'd be a thousandaire LOL.

[FingerLicking]

Can anyone make a guess, based on past experience, what will happen in our beloved hobby as the economy tanks further?

I'm hoping that prices will decease as girls get more desperate and guys partake less but not holding my breath. I know that while an economy can crash, people still need their ass and drinks, etc.

If prices decrease, maybe I could keep frequenting establishments. But I personally won't keep it up (har har) at the same rate and frequency anymore if it gets really bad. It's not really worth it, rather have some savings in case I end up without work. Maybe a monthly massage and HE until things get better. I'll probably just end up finding a FWB or gf or something LOL.

How are the rest of you feeling?It'll be interesting to see what actually happens.

[TJ Dog]

It'll be interesting to see what actually happens.Wait until your favorite AMP provider gets her sweet ass shipped back to China.

[MaximusKahn]

Wait until your favorite AMP provider gets her sweet ass shipped back to China.Already had two good providers go back to China, one her placed closed down, and the other for fam reasons.

Since I started my replacement process, I noticed that the prices didn't go down, but the menu has opened up. HJ girls may be willing to offer, or allow more, without becoming a full on Full Service shop.

The ones who stay in business will work harder and possibly offer more to keep a "good customer. " I always do my best to be in that category.

Over the years, more than one provider has said to me in one form or another, your are a good customer, or you are nice to me.

That has been rewarded ten fold.

As was noted about the failing economy, is that mongers may have less mongering money. And that is bad news.

[RolfTorren]

Not sure how all this will play out. Here's my non-economist impressions of what has happened over the past couple of decades. Prices overall have never gone down. There have been a few major distruptors in the market from what I recall. Just after I started hobbying in SD there was a flourishing independent market. Then that got basically cut down because the woman who was the principal driver and manager got arrested and sent to prison for managing. I forget her name. She was all over TER and a couple of other sites. I believe she got breast cancer and actually died in jail. So that changed things, not so much in terms of prices, but rather the structure of the independent industry. Some of you might remember the redhead Eclipse. A fantastic MILF. She was managing girls and decided to just go independent rather than risk prosecution. For a while there, however, SD had an amazing independent scene.

The there was the melt down in the housing economy and the resultant Great Recession. Prices didn't go down in the wake of that economic disaster. If anything I noticed that some independents shot their prices up astronomically. From $180 to $400 per hour and more. Providers like Roz Cummings, Goldie Knox and Nirvana realized they could make a living by charging huge fees but only having to work once or twice a week or whenever they wanted. Roz, for example, had a regular who paid her something like 400-500 per session on a weekly basis for a couple of years. So no real price drop. Either stability or increase. Some guys were lucky enough as regulars and "good customers" to get discounts or get grandfathered in to lower rates.

Then there was FOSTA / SESTA. That pretty much caused the evaporation of many local American providers. That market has now been taken over by foreign imports. Brazilians, Columbians, Mexicans, etc. Prices did not go down, but on occasion discounts could be had.

Then there was COVID. That dealt a body blow to what was a flourishing and high-quality K-girl industry. I don't think the age and service mentality of the K-girl providers from the pre-Covid era has been equaled much in recent years. Prices did not go down. But there has been a rise in new management marketing techniques. Hence the whole "open minded" phenomenon.

Then there was the post-Covid inflation economy. We've definitely seen a few developments: more foreign imports, a multiplication of local AMPs with a few offering really quality experiences (but not most), mixed offerings from the K-girl world, price creep in AMPs with hourly fees going from 40 to 80 depending on the establishment. Prices have not gone down, and quality has not gone up.

Now we're in a new cycle and who knows what will happen? My guess is that prices will probably stagnate, but not go down. I know my hobbying has been severely curtailed in the past six months. I'm super choosy about who I see. No longer am I willing to swallow a loss of 200 from a lackluster experience at an AMP, walking away wishing I'd seen someone I knew would treat me right. My guess is that quite a few local AMPs will go out of business, and their owners transition to other work, consolidate, or go back home. I think we'll see a decrease in foreign imports. Providers on a short-term visa looking to make money are going to stay home in Columbia or Brazil, based on what they see on social media or news feeds. Anyone coming and going from the US is going to be under way more scrutiny. Less supply will mean prices may remain stable. I don't think we'll see huge increases in fees, with an economy possibly heading towards recession, or worse. But the bottom line is, prices probably won't go down.


Can anyone make a guess, based on past experience, what will happen in our beloved hobby as the economy tanks further?

I'm hoping that prices will decease as girls get more desperate and guys partake less but not holding my breath. I know that while an economy can crash, people still need their ass and drinks, etc.

If prices decrease, maybe I could keep frequenting establishments. But I personally won't keep it up (har har) at the same rate and frequency anymore if it gets really bad. It's not really worth it, rather have some savings in case I end up without work. Maybe a monthly massage and HE until things get better. I'll probably just end up finding a FWB or gf or something LOL.

How are the rest of you feeling?

[JBirdCA]

Not sure if this is appropriate, but thought I'd throw it out there.

California finally legalized weed. There are restrictions, and-interestingly-the promised tax revenues and benefits are not yet being realized-since the taxes, fees, and restrictions are making legal pot more expensive than the "not legal" stuff. Other states, like Colorado, have also legalized, or decriminalized, and there are stronger pushes for Federal decriminalization. I suspect we're within 20 years of seeing weed / pot become the "new" tobacco-legal and openly grown as a cash crop by the major tobacco industry.

We saw the experimental decriminalization of harder narcotics in the Pacific Northwest, and that failed miserably. I don't thin k I'll see hard, "recreational" drugs legalized in my lifetime.

Which brings me to my question-do you ever think we'll see "the hobby" legalized across most of the US? I doubt those regions with highly religious saturation will ever open up (there are still "dry" counties in the US), but Nevada has county optional legalized prostitution. The Native Americans are opening casinos on tribal lands throughout the US in states that have traditionally been Strong anti-gambling (I lived in Indiana for several years, they aggressively prosecuted any type of gambling-now they have a couple "riverboat" style casinos in Gary). So, the question remains, do you think some of the more "liberal" sates (I. E. - "Blue" states) might loosen up and finally allow consenting adults to enjoy each other's time for a fee without any legal hassles?

Or are the militant "pink hatter" types going to scream exploitation and sex trafficking? They chant "my body, my choice", but they are all in favor of charging sexual assault and trafficking when it's clearly the lady who chose to enter the "profession". I realize that there will always be that undesirable element that needs to be weeded out-the gangs, the exploiters, the kid abusers, and taking the stigma away will help. Making resources available to help those who Have been exploited would be easier and (I suspect) more readily used. But I also worked in a couple topless bars. We had a mixture of ladies with all kinds of motivations working there. Some where students looking to make major cash while working a few hours after class hours. Some were supporting families-single moms, married wives whose husbands had hit unemployment. We had a couple ladies who danced, just for the thrill of the work. And one or two who were trying to make it and stage as "legit" dancers (and these ladies did have incredible dance skills), but the gigs were few and far between. Sadly, we also had ladies who saw no other way to earn money, and a few who were actually trying to exploit the business-these latter were quickly separated when they were identified.

[BKane80]

Not sure how all this will play out. Here's my non-economist impressions of what has happened over the past couple of decades. Prices overall have never gone down. There have been a few major distruptors in the market from what I recall. Just after I started hobbying in SD there was a flourishing independent market. Then that got basically cut down because the woman who was the principal driver and manager got arrested and sent to prison for managing. I forget her name. She was all over TER and a couple of other sites. I believe she got breast cancer and actually died in jail. So that changed things, not so much in terms of prices, but rather the structure of the independent industry. Some of you might remember the redhead Eclipse. A fantastic MILF. She was managing girls and decided to just go independent rather than risk prosecution. For a while there, however, SD had an amazing independent scene.

The there was the melt down in the housing economy and the resultant Great Recession. Prices didn't go down in the wake of that economic disaster. If anything I noticed that some independents shot their prices up astronomically. From $180 to $400 per hour and more. Providers like Roz Cummings, Goldie Knox and Nirvana realized they could make a living by charging huge fees but only having to work once or twice a week or whenever they wanted. Roz, for example, had a regular who paid her something like 400-500 per session on a weekly basis for a couple of years. So no real price drop. Either stability or increase. Some guys were lucky enough as regulars and "good customers" to get discounts or get grandfathered in to lower rates.

Then there was FOSTA / SESTA. That pretty much caused the evaporation of many local American providers. That market has now been taken over by foreign imports. Brazilians, Columbians, Mexicans, etc. Prices did not go down, but on occasion discounts could be had.

Then there was COVID. That dealt a body blow to what was a flourishing and high-quality K-girl industry. I don't think the age and service mentality of the K-girl providers from the pre-Covid era has been equaled much in recent years. Prices did not go down. But there has been a rise in new management marketing techniques. Hence the whole "open minded" phenomenon.Agreed. Excellent analysis. I miss the pre-Covid K-girl and Thai-girl market. 180 for hhr. Nowadays that isn't even enough for a lackluster AMP experience.

[Beagan]

I know normally we would post in the massage section, however since I don't have enough posts I didn't know where else to ask.

Anyone got a HJ only place open after 8 pm that actually has good lookers there? Every time I am in a pinch after 8 I end up pulling a solo granny when trying random shops.

Looking to better my chances at this not happening as much.

Cheers!

[Ivysballoons]

I agree completely. I always start with sex and then get the massage, if I want it and if there's time. I'm not there for a massage realistically so I'd rather get my money's worth.

Also, recently went to Stars on CMB and had an Asian girl (not the Latinas) who got really horny and wanted to fuck me badly. I paid her $80 for a BBBJ. She's been really into me, since one time I walked in for recon and left, so now that I'm there with my cock in her mouth I wasn't surprised when like three minutes in she just begs me to fuck her. I didn't need to be told twice. I pulled her up off the floor, turned her around, bent her over, pulled up her skirt, threw the condom on and railed on her hard. No extra tip requested. Haha She wasn't the hottest and this isn't the normal procedure, so I won't say her name, but it's definitely nice when they just really "want" you.I think she's the one at Waples Spa.

[MaximusKahn]

As we slip into the threatening recession and the slide into the devastating depression, I'm going to speculate that there will be less providers, but better service from the surviving businesses. Unfortunately I don't' think prices will come down.

Case and point.

I have a long time provider who I see now and then. She is in a HJ spa, and serves me with fantastic massages with out of this world teasing skills and tops it all off with a great HJ. Her teasing is so good; I've lost it still face down several times. She's been telling me that things are slow and she had to go back to working 6 days a week.

She's somewhere around 40, on the pretty side, a nice body, and now a 60/60 girl (started as a 40/40 girl a while ago). During our sessions, she would bare her C cup breasts to let me play. Thinking back, I don't know why, but I did not try for anything more other than some breast play and OTC petting her ass and pussy while enjoying her HJ talents.

Last week I stopped in. Since she was just one of my HJ girls I usually don't bring condoms, but since two of my regulars are in China I was going to see how far I could go and went prepared.

I got the usual service with a fantastic massage, and her awesome teasing. On the flip I felt her butt and pussy OTC. Going for more, I gently pulled her yoga pants down, and got to see her bushy pussy. She did a little wiggle to help as I pulled, so I knew she was okay with it. Probably wondering why I never did it before. We did mutual play for a while till I got off the table, and got her lying down across the table to remove her yoga pants. Usually I have to give the I have a condom pitch, but she lied there in submission as I got one leg out and spread her legs wide open. She had her head back, so I took the Bishop and rubbed my head up and down her wet bushy slit.

She was so submissive with her legs wide open and head back that I put my tip on her vagina rim to see her reaction. She lied there and I was thinking, damn she's going to let me fuck her bare. The temptation was huge to push in right then, but I overrode my savage impulses and went for my condom. I know how good it would be on't take away my monger membership card, but I don't have bare sex with providers.

Once I got the Bishop covered I got back to her open legs and slipped it to her. I thoroughly enjoyed giving her a nice fucking. It wasn't a GFE, or a PSE fucking, and a bit passive on her part, but I enjoyed it. You never know for sure, but with her quivering and hushed moaning, I'd say she enjoyed at least 2 orgasms. One quite early on and a bigger one during the fun. While enjoying this new service I was thinking I should have started fucking her long ago. In reality, it is probably the combination of our long term experience together, and the slow business, that made this possible. Her bushy unkept pussy, and her submissiveness convinced me she might not show her pussy often. I only had 100, and that was her tip.

Since she opened up the menu for me, I went to see her yesterday to reward her with more business for allowing me the extra service. She was surprised, and openly happy to see me so soon. The session was similar to last week except I had her give me a BBJ for about a minute before we fucked. Again she got 100, and will be one of my new 100 FS girls till I decide to give her a raise. If ever.

So my thoughts are the same, the economy will give us less providers, but more providers who will offer or allow more. Don't complain, take advantage. The worst they can do is say no, or stop you from undressing them. I hope that prices will not rise with fewer providers available.

[Monger234]

I have an OTC with a stripper but don't want to bring her home until I can trust her.

Are there any rent by the hour motels / hotels in San Diego?

Thanks for suggestions.

[Ddy3831]

I have an OTC with a stripper but don't want to bring her home until I can trust her.

Are there any rent by the hour motels / hotels in San Diego?

Thanks for suggestions.Download the Dayuse app or use their website.

[Rider009]

I have an OTC with a stripper but don't want to bring her home until I can trust her.

Are there any rent by the hour motels / hotels in San Diego?
Thanks for suggestions.https://www.dayuse.com/

You could try to use day use. It's not exactly by the hour but you can get it for a 6 or 8 hour time frame and the cost is cheaper than a full 24-hour hotel stay.

[EazySD]

Have you looked at dayuse.com? You can get like a half day hotel. I haven't seen any hourly rate hotels.


I have an OTC with a stripper but don't want to bring her home until I can trust her.

Are there any rent by the hour motels / hotels in San Diego?

Thanks for suggestions.

[Dcsd12]

I have an OTC with a stripper but don't want to bring her home until I can trust her.

Are there any rent by the hour motels / hotels in San Diego?

Thanks for suggestions.I suggest you never decide to trust her. LOL.

[BluesBalls]

As we slip into the threatening recession and the slide into the devastating depression, I'm going to speculate that there will be less providers, but better service from the surviving businesses. Unfortunately I don't' think prices will come down.

Case and point.

I have a long time provider who I see now and then. She is in a HJ spa, and serves me with fantastic massages with out of this world teasing skills and tops it all off with a great HJ. Her teasing is so good; I've lost it still face down several times. She's been telling me that things are slow and she had to go back to working 6 days a week.

She's somewhere around 40, on the pretty side, a nice body, and now a 60/60 girl (started as a 40/40 girl a while ago). During our sessions, she would bare her C cup breasts to let me play. Thinking back, I don't know why, but I did not try for anything more other than some breast play and OTC petting her ass and pussy while enjoying her HJ talents.

Last week I stopped in. Since she was just one of my HJ girls I usually don't bring condoms, but since two of my regulars are in China I was going to see how far I could go and went prepared.

I got the usual service with a fantastic massage, and her awesome teasing. On the flip I felt her butt and pussy OTC. Going for more, I gently pulled her yoga pants down, and got to see her bushy pussy. She did a little wiggle to help as I pulled, so I knew she was okay with it. Probably wondering why I never did it before. We did mutual play for a while till I got off the table, and got her lying down across the table to remove her yoga pants. Usually I have to give the I have a condom pitch, but she lied there in submission as I got one leg out and spread her legs wide open. She had her head back, so I took the Bishop and rubbed my head up and down her wet bushy slit.

She was so submissive with her legs wide open and head back that I put my tip on her vagina rim to see her reaction. She lied there and I was thinking, damn she's going to let me fuck her bare. The temptation was huge to push in right then, but I overrode my savage impulses and went for my condom. I know how good it would be on't take away my monger membership card, but I don't have bare sex with providers.

Once I got the Bishop covered I got back to her open legs and slipped it to her. I thoroughly enjoyed giving her a nice fucking. It wasn't a GFE, or a PSE fucking, and a bit passive on her part, but I enjoyed it. You never know for sure, but with her quivering and hushed moaning, I'd say she enjoyed at least 2 orgasms. One quite early on and a bigger one during the fun. While enjoying this new service I was thinking I should have started fucking her long ago. In reality, it is probably the combination of our long term experience together, and the slow business, that made this possible. Her bushy unkept pussy, and her submissiveness convinced me she might not show her pussy often. I only had 100, and that was her tip.

Since she opened up the menu for me, I went to see her yesterday to reward her with more business for allowing me the extra service. She was surprised, and openly happy to see me so soon. The session was similar to last week except I had her give me a BBJ for about a minute before we fucked. Again she got 100, and will be one of my new 100 FS girls till I decide to give her a raise. If ever.

So my thoughts are the same, the economy will give us less providers, but more providers who will offer or allow more. Don't complain, take advantage. The worst they can do is say no, or stop you from undressing them. I hope that prices will not rise with fewer providers available.I hope you're right about services at least if prices won't come down, which I didn't really hold out much hope for anyway.

[Ptown24]

Have you guys ever seen the "get 9 massages, the 10th is free" cards which basically knock off the HF? I was thinking, since they just punch or circle a number, and the staff rotates monthly to whereas you don't see the same faces after a month, do guys ever just fill the cards out by themselves and walk in with the "free" number and knock off the HF? Just curious LOL.

[ElmersGoo]

I don't share as much as I should in the past because it seemed a lot of the hype was around FS places. But I have been more interested in doing so in regards to parlors, but the great shill depression of 2024-2025 has fucked that up since I do not have 50+ posts.

I would love to have a thread or user blog called "Non-FS experiences". Which could happen anywhere, like legit, HJ shops or FS shops. What is the process for getting a new thread or blog in the San Diego forum and what is the difference anyways between the two?

Any opinions or answers welcome!

[SheriffBart]

I don't share as much as I should in the past because it seemed a lot of the hype was around FS places. But I have been more interested in doing so in regards to parlors, but the great shill depression of 2024-2025 has fucked that up since I do not have 50+ posts.

I would love to have a thread or user blog called "Non-FS experiences". Which could happen anywhere, like legit, HJ shops or FS shops. What is the process for getting a new thread or blog in the San Diego forum and what is the difference anyways between the two?

Any opinions or answers welcome!There are already 3 threads relating to the massage service scene in SD. There is "Massage Reports" (ostensibly for basic HJ or BJ massage endings), "FS Spas In San Diego" (self explanatory) and "Legit Massage" (also self explanatory).

As for starting a new thread, I'm not sure how to do it either. I always thought a thread on the Adult Bookstore / Theater scene would be helpful. Anyone want to start that up?

[BigDee44]

Have you guys ever seen the "get 9 massages, the 10th is free" cards which basically knock off the HF? I was thinking, since they just punch or circle a number, and the staff rotates monthly to whereas you don't see the same faces after a month, do guys ever just fill the cards out by themselves and walk in with the "free" number and knock off the HF? Just curious LOL.How did I not think of this? LOL. There's no way this wouldn't work especially because we mostly pay cash.

[BigDee44]

I hope you're right about services at least if prices won't come down, which I didn't really hold out much hope for anyway.Just stopped by spa Hans and they have dropped their rates by $10. Also went during the daytime and got Hannah, who is prob in 40's and has nice tits, okay face, but bit of a belly. She still wanted $150 for a BBBJ so that hasn't gotten any cheaper haha. She did get naked, gave a great massage and BBBJ nude while I fingered her and played with her asshole.

I bet service pricing starts to drop in a few months. I've asked a few girls if business has been dropping and they confirmed it. They say the high rollers haven't stopped coming in, but others have. For those of us with a decent cash flow, I hope we start to get better service with less mongers out there.

[ElmersGoo]

I was thinking a new thread might inspire guys who don't post "boring" HJ / BJ sessions to be more active. The vibe, as it seems to me, is FS posts get more responses in the general massage forum where there is a mix of experiences. I was just hoping that this new thread would bring more info and reviews for us. There are a lot of us who do not participate in FS at all. This was just my thought I had. Thanks for the response Sheriff.


There are already 3 threads relating to the massage service scene in SD. There is "Massage Reports" (ostensibly for basic HJ or BJ massage endings), "FS Spas In San Diego" (self explanatory) and "Legit Massage" (also self explanatory).

As for starting a new thread, I'm not sure how to do it either. I always thought a thread on the Adult Bookstore / Theater scene would be helpful. Anyone want to start that up?

[Fonmyj]

I was thinking a new thread might inspire guys who don't post "boring" HJ / BJ sessions to be more active. The vibe, as it seems to me, is FS posts get more responses in the general massage forum where there is a mix of experiences. I was just hoping that this new thread would bring more info and reviews for us. There are a lot of us who do not participate in FS at all. This was just my thought I had. Thanks for the response Sheriff.I don't think a new thread is going to generate additional engagement. Can't imagine there are members sitting on the sidelines with posts about non-FS experiences and the only reason they don't share them in existing threads is fear that their post would be overshadowed by the next FS experience post. In my opinion, members who choose to continue to lurk will do the same regardless of the number of appropriate subject threads already available.

I encourage anyone with non-FS knowledge to post it publicly. Doesn't seem like that type of content would be rife for shilling either, but maybe I'll be surprised with some over the top, penthouse style HJ stories.

[DaSlayer1300]

I hope you're right about services at least if prices won't come down, which I didn't really hold out much hope for anyway.I'm kind of new here I hope I'm allowed to post here. But I can usually get FS for 100 for hour appts pretty easy at most of the slower places. The busier places are still going to be 140 for half hour but I feel like is never hurts to try the slower places know if they charge less I'll visit more. Anyone else have any thoughts on this.

[RobLuca]

Hey guys, just trying out new places out there. I have not come across a consistent place that provides young early 20 year olds. I have to rely on the street walkers for this guilty pleasure, but prefer not to partake since the risk and service does not equal to spas or similar type places. Any suggestions? I have been going to this K-girl agency that post as Far East Cuties on HX, however the pics of the girls are mostly fake, but sometimes you do get an attractive late 20's or early 30's girl, but won't' know until you get there. Anything will help, thanks!

[StrongerMonger]

Hey guys, just trying out new places out there. I have not come across a consistent place that provides young early 20 year olds. I have to rely on the street walkers for this guilty pleasure, but prefer not to partake since the risk and service does not equal to spas or similar type places. Any suggestions? I have been going to this K-girl agency that post as Far East Cuties on HX, however the pics of the girls are mostly fake, but sometimes you do get an attractive late 20's or early 30's girl, but won't' know until you get there. Anything will help, thanks!Try Purple K from Far East Cuties / CA-KDolls, she's 21 and her pics are a good representative of her. Probably not her or they're photoshopped.

[MaximusKahn]

When you think of it, most if not all of mongering relationships will be temporary. Maybe there will be a few visits with a woman who stands out, it could be the odd chance you frequent a woman for months or years, but most will be a short lived, with many being one and done visits. Some will be memorable and make you want more, most will be forgettable, but eventually either she, or you will move on.

Mongering relationships are disposable, temporary at best. They know it and I think most mongers do too. Think about all the providers you've sampled. Some guys are in the hundreds. Depending on your activities, how many women really stand out? 20? 10? 5? 2? We tend to remember the superstars we lust for, or the nightmares we regret. All those in between are easily forgotten. How many times have you returned to a spa and not clearly recognized the provider who serviced you the last time? I had several occasions the provider walked out recognizing me, and in all honesty I didn't remember her face. She just wasn't that memorable, and even when I do recall her and remember she was enjoyable, I still didn't immediately recognize her.

Now think of it from their perspective. How many mongers do you think they have serviced? 3, 5, 10 a day 5, 6 or 7 days a week, for years? How many of us do you think really stand out to them? Especially for the 1 time visits. If we do stand out, hopefully it's for good reasons and not bad. They know the relationship are temporary, forgettable, and even disposable. They know, someone will move on, never to be connected again. And for any number of personal reasons they don't want to remember any monger outside of the spas anyway. Unless we stand out in a good way, and they can make more money from us, I suspect they even try to forget us. We can guess they want to forget all the assholes.

My point, work to be memorable for good reasons. Stand out for good reasons. Everyone knows it's temporary but make the best of it while it is going on.

Be clean and groomed.

Make them feel you like them, and enjoy their special services.

Be as friendly as you can be. Coming, going, especially when you are cumming.

Help them be comfortable around you, be gentle.

Tip fairly, if not generously.

If the experience is good, and you want to see her again, return soon.

[ArrogantBstrd]

Hey guys, just trying out new places out there. I have not come across a consistent place that provides young early 20 year olds. I have to rely on the street walkers for this guilty pleasure, but prefer not to partake since the risk and service does not equal to spas or similar type places. Any suggestions? I have been going to this K-girl agency that post as Far East Cuties on HX, however the pics of the girls are mostly fake, but sometimes you do get an attractive late 20's or early 30's girl, but won't' know until you get there. Anything will help, thanks!Yes, the K-Agencies are probably your best bet for 20's / Low-30's. You can dig through the Independent providers, but the providers in their 20's often have higher prices. I think the Hillcrest crew are mostly in their 20's.

[Beagan]

Actually recently saw Purple and yes, her photos are actually her, they are just touched up / shopped. Def her tho, she looks good in person as well.

I went for 3. 5 BBFS for an hour. Spent about 30 of that and the rest was hanging out small talk. She speaks VERY liimited english though.


Try Purple K from Far East Cuties / CA-KDolls, she's 21 and her pics are a good representative of her. Probably not her or they're photoshopped.

[StrongerMonger]

Actually recently saw Purple and yes, her photos are actually her, they are just touched up / shopped. Def her tho, she looks good in person as well.

I went for 3. 5 BBFS for an hour. Spent about 30 of that and the rest was hanging out small talk. She speaks VERY liimited english though.Awesome, mate! That's one mystery solved LOL.

She's such a cutie pie. Her English could use some work, I tolerate it and learn selective phrases in Korean to bridge the communication gap.

Energy is a universal language so enjoying physical intimacy with a pretty girl and leaving it at that will always be a win-win.

She gets better with repeat visits, she's a young smart girl, so she's going to adapt to you and figure out what you like best.

[Jaguar300ZX]

Farting: How very embarrassing! (especially when your ass is bare) If you want to avoid this flatulant faux paux, then heed my advice.

In the adult stages of your life you should already know what affects your digestion and what foods will make you gassy. So,.

#1. The day just prior to visiting an AMP, you should consciously avoid the foods that you know will give you gas. (This includes any fermented or carbonated beverages -like Beer, Kombucha, or any Probiotic drinks).

#2. The morning of your desired AMP appointment, take a healthy shit and wash your asshole. (force yourself to go, even if you don't feel the urge).

#3. Drink some Mylanta or eat Chewable Tums 1-hour before your AMP appointment. (avoid Pepto-Bismol).

#4. Do not eat a meal just prior to your AMP appointment, go on an empty stomach.

-if you're a newbie in the AMP hobby, you might be nervous or jittery, and get Butterflys in the stomach, which could cause belching or farting.

This nervousness will pass (pun intended) as you eventually gain more & more experience.

[MaximusKahn]

All Jaguar says is great advice.

Should you feel the dangerous urge coming on, stop the session grab a cover and go to bathroom and blast it out. Be sure to wash ass crack with soap and water after the event.

When it's too late and you already lost it, roll over, look her in the eye and apologize profusely. Then she knows it's an accident. Don't just lie there pretending you have no idea where the stench came from.

Be aware farts have gaseous particles, so even if you are coming from home after a good shower, but driving there you fart, be sure to wash your ass crack when you get to the spa because that fart left smelly shit particles between your cheeks and possible stained your drawers.

I had one of my regulars lose one while she was massaging my back, I had to laugh, she was horrified and said "sorry" at least ten times, but we had a laugh together. The women are human too. It smelled like cabbage.


Farting: How very embarrassing! (especially when your ass is bare) If you want to avoid this flatulant faux paux, then heed my advice.

In the adult stages of your life you should already know what affects your digestion and what foods will make you gassy. So,.

#1. The day just prior to visiting an AMP, you should consciously avoid the foods that you know will give you gas. (This includes any fermented or carbonated beverages -like Beer, Kombucha, or any Probiotic drinks).

#2. The morning of your desired AMP appointment, take a healthy shit and wash your asshole. (force yourself to go, even if you don't feel the urge).

#3. Drink some Mylanta or eat Chewable Tums 1-hour before your AMP appointment. (avoid Pepto-Bismol).

#4. Do not eat a meal just prior to your AMP appointment, go on an empty stomach.

-if you're a newbie in the AMP hobby, you might be nervous or jittery, and get Butterflys in the stomach, which could cause belching or farting.

This nervousness will pass (pun intended) as you eventually gain more & more experience.

[ElmersGoo]

What made you think of this out of the blue?

I do follow all of your numbered items. Want to add, stay away from carbohydrates, sugars and breads. Those produce gas in your gut more than vegetables, meats and nuts (that's what she said).


Farting: How very embarrassing! (especially when your ass is bare) If you want to avoid this flatulant faux paux, then heed my advice.

In the adult stages of your life you should already know what affects your digestion and what foods will make you gassy. So,.

#1. The day just prior to visiting an AMP, you should consciously avoid the foods that you know will give you gas. (This includes any fermented or carbonated beverages -like Beer, Kombucha, or any Probiotic drinks).

#2. The morning of your desired AMP appointment, take a healthy shit and wash your asshole. (force yourself to go, even if you don't feel the urge).

#3. Drink some Mylanta or eat Chewable Tums 1-hour before your AMP appointment. (avoid Pepto-Bismol).

#4. Do not eat a meal just prior to your AMP appointment, go on an empty stomach.

-if you're a newbie in the AMP hobby, you might be nervous or jittery, and get Butterflys in the stomach, which could cause belching or farting.

This nervousness will pass (pun intended) as you eventually gain more & more experience.

[ElmersGoo]

Anyone else seeing this? Almost like it is blocked. I think when Trump first became president on his first term he had a crusade to block these sites?

[Jaguar300ZX]

What made you think of this out of the blue?I read about it in a sub-reddit over at are / AMPLife.

[Dog Rice]

It would be good to priortize our tax dollar on violent crime than AMP.

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/city-to-shut-down-barrio-loga-parlor-for-prostitution/509-ba9dd058-d176-47ea-baf6-c22c1730da38

[Ptown24]

I just went there today. Got FS for $.

[StrongerMonger]

Gents I really want to get into the world of K / J providers however the two places I've messaged want an Id and I don't feel comfortable. How did you all get past this or did you all have to submit a photo Id?I've submitted a photo I'd for all the K providers I do business with. I just white out my address and Driver's License number. I've also submitted selfies and a picture of a pay stub with selective info whited out. I didn't feel comfortable at first until my friend who introduced me to this world, showed me that he did it too. I've come to peace with the screening process. And when you think about it, you're a physically dominant man alone in a room with woman. She is putting her safety on the line with a complete stranger.

If a booker gives me a difficult screening, I feel even more relief because they're doing their fucking job and keeping the girls safe the best they can. It's true that the Agency can potentially ruin your life with the info you give. But it goes both ways and I believe it's small risk compared to the even bigger risk they have to take on. If you really feel like you have more to lose because you're a millionaire and famous, then perhaps you're better off leveraging that to get a K / J girlfriend.

It's worth the risk for me. And if you choose to, it can be a magical adventure and when the booker is comfortable with you then you'll experience the most erotic chapter of your life!

[StrongerMonger]

When you think of it, most if not all of mongering relationships will be temporary. Maybe there will be a few visits with a woman who stands out, it could be the odd chance you frequent a woman for months or years, but most will be a short lived, with many being one and done visits. Some will be memorable and make you want more, most will be forgettable, but eventually either she, or you will move on.

Mongering relationships are disposable, temporary at best. They know it and I think most mongers do too. Think about all the providers you've sampled. Some guys are in the hundreds. Depending on your activities, how many women really stand out? 20? 10? 5? 2? We tend to remember the superstars we lust for, or the nightmares we regret. All those in between are easily forgotten. How many times have you returned to a spa and not clearly recognized the provider who serviced you the last time? I had several occasions the provider walked out recognizing me, and in all honesty I didn't remember her face. She just wasn't that memorable, and even when I do recall her and remember she was enjoyable, I still didn't immediately recognize her...Underrated post that needs to be acknowledged and bumped. Mongering can be dangerous if you think it's just pay and receive sex.

I'm a Salsa / Bachata dancer and oddly enough the same rules apply (kinda). You meet hundreds of girls in the scene and the physical touch barrier is low compared to what we do in society. Meeting girls and low touch barrier is a big attention grabber and is a strong driving force for the men that join. Many will deny it, most aren't even aware of it. But it becomes very obvious when a pretty girl finishes a dance and there's a wave of hands from men asking her to dance, while you see the not-so attractive girls on the sidelines waiting for someone to give them a little attention. Once guys get their hands on the girls, they think they can do anything they want, because the follow will submit to the lead. Guys completely forget or dismiss the fact that you have to create a safe space for the follow to submit.

Ok enough tangent. Mongering can be like dancing, you're going to dance with hundreds if not thousands of girls. These girls will experience hundreds if not thousands of men on the dance floor. Most will be temporary and never go anywhere past "that was a pleasant dance". But if you're remembered for being a pleasant dance, then that will pay dividends more than being remembered for being creepy (not respecting boundaries, too forceful, not gauging comfort, not reading body language). And remember, you'll experience more fun when you enjoy every step during the dance, not just waiting for the end of the song and expressing your desire to connect further.

[Ptown24]

Is Jolar a place where you can bring a date and bang her out basically like a hotel by the hour? And is there ever any good talent there? I'm thinking of taking my UTR there and wondering how it works, haven't been in years. Thanks in advance gents.

[Rey KittyHawk]

There are 3 private "rooms" you can rent for under $20 where you pic a video to watch. Each has a couch and is large enough for friends.

There are also many very small booths to get your bang or blow on, where you put in dollars and get to watch a vid for short time fun.

You could get naughty in the VIP room which is open space with many vids showing, or head to the smaller theaters, but these are open for all to see.

Any chance you want to share her?

As for talent, a lot of TS Sex workers frequent the space but not my thing. Some female sex workers do use the space too. I've personally only seen two female sex workers that interested me, but unless you go often you'll never know.


Is Jolar a place where you can bring a date and bang her out basically like a hotel by the hour? And is there ever any good talent there? I'm thinking of taking my UTR there and wondering how it works, haven't been in years. Thanks in advance gents.

[CoqueMeat]

It's likely not "down". They don't have a valid cert, so your browser can't negotiate a HTTPS connection. This will cause some browsers to say the site is unreachable. If that happens, just go up to the URL liine in your browser and change the HTTPS to HTTP and it should work just fine.


Anyone else seeing this? Almost like it is blocked. I think when Trump first became president on his first term he had a crusade to block these sites?