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Looks like Amanda at VR was Skylar at ST and was also at Eden before that. Saw her once and was disappointed in her looks. She is very open to extras but I wasn't that interested.
I only seen 10 (saw Melanie twice 19/20, so distant memory) of the ladies. How do you all tier the ladies looks?
Combo of face & body, of course. It makes it easier to figure out if or when to see ladies that are unknown quantities if taste are similar amongst gentleman.
S).
A) Emily, Chanel, Eva.
B) Cassie, Sasha, Molly, Mila, Melanie.
C) Taylor, Amber.
D).
F).
Saw Taylor a few days ago. Local white chick that has lived many places around 49. Probably 35-40 years old. Short hair in a ponytail style. Down to earth, would probably be comfortable going to a fast casual food spot or local food spot if you were hanging out, no need for fine dining. But I'm not sure if you could split a 12 pack natty light after work, she may need craft beer. But looks wise we are not getting Olivia Dunne, Breckie Hill nor TheRealBrittFit with this one. Fit chick, plain Jane face, imo.
She was fully nude and started with back massage. On the flip roaming all over but limited because time of the month, but says FIV is normally cool. Basic (no balls play, no passionate touches) HJ facing sideways to me and then finished me up with a basic HJ cuddled up next to me with her leg over me.
Not hot enough for me to repeat. But fully nude, slight body to body, and grabbing t&a makes it easier to finish. Not sure of her full limits and boundaries basic wise nor extras wise.
You all are welcome in advance.
Saw Taylor a few days ago. Local white chick that has lived many places around 49. Probably 35-40 years old. Short hair in a ponytail style. Down to earth, would probably be comfortable going to a fast casual food spot or local food spot if you were hanging out, no need for fine dining. But I'm not sure if you could split a 12 pack natty light after work, she may need craft beer. But looks wise we are not getting Olivia Dunne, Breckie Hill nor TheRealBrittFit with this one. Fit chick, plain Jane face, imo.
She was fully nude and started with back massage. On the flip roaming all over but limited because time of the month, but says FIV is normally cool. Basic (no balls play, no passionate touches) HJ facing sideways to me and then finished me up with a basic HJ cuddled up next to me with her leg over me.
Not hot enough for me to repeat. But fully nude, slight body to body, and grabbing t&a makes it easier to finish. Not sure of her full limits and boundaries basic wise nor extras wise.
You all are welcome in advance.Thanks for TOFTT. I'm going to avoid her. She seems like a decent visit but I go to PV for the younger talent.
JustJohn007
07-29-24, 19:38
I only seen 10 (saw Melanie twice 19/20, so distant memory) of the ladies. How do you all tier the ladies looks?
Combo of face & body, of course. It makes it easier to figure out if or when to see ladies that are unknown quantities if taste are similar amongst gentleman.
S).
A) Emily, Chanel, Eva.
B) Cassie, Sasha, Molly, Mila, Melanie.
C) Taylor, Amber.
D).
F).Great idea--knowing a guy's preferences and having some kind of frame of reference are pretty helpful.
I haven't seen as many as you but agree with you out of the ones I've seen.
Sometimes I would be willing to sacrifice a little in looks for chemistry and a fun time. My ATFs had everything (and were cool about reasonable tips) but are long gone from PV.
I only seen 10 (saw Melanie twice 19/20, so distant memory) of the ladies. How do you all tier the ladies looks?
Combo of face & body, of course. It makes it easier to figure out if or when to see ladies that are unknown quantities if taste are similar amongst gentleman.A) Emily, Eva.
B) Chanel, Jade.
C) Sasha, Melanie, Alissa, Lora, Jasmine, Jordyn.
D) Nia, Stephanie.
E) Amber.
F)
I've included girls who were on the roster up until recently and who I suspect could come back at some point in the future.
Note: this is strictly for looks. Not necessarily indicative of overall experience.
RyanHarvey
08-01-24, 21:18
A) Emily, Eva.
B) Chanel, Jade.
C) Sasha, Melanie, Alissa, Lora, Jasmine, Jordyn.
D) Nia, Stephanie.
E) Amber.
F)
I've included girls who were on the roster up until recently and who I suspect could come back at some point in the future.
Note: this is strictly for looks. Not necessarily indicative of overall experience.Can Eva and Emily beat the GOAT Meagan?
Can Eva and Emily beat the GOAT Meagan?Would put Meagan in Tier A. And Hannah in Tier C (also likely to pop up again).
Great idea--knowing a guy's preferences and having some kind of frame of reference are pretty helpful.
I haven't seen as many as you but agree with you out of the ones I've seen.
Sometimes I would be willing to sacrifice a little in looks for chemistry and a fun time. My ATFs had everything (and were cool about reasonable tips) but are long gone from PV.I get that. I feel like I'm sacrificing because my S-Tier is blank, LOL. Only one S-Tier gal I have ran across at ST and that was Alice, don't know if you remember her. Columbian with a face that makes Eva and Emily look like average girls, plus Alice essentially had a perfect natural body. She didn't show up consistently as many weeks her pic said on vacation. Saw her probably 3 times total.
She titty fucked me once as I sat on side of bed. Got to cum between her great tits.
Last time I saw her smashed for free by accident. She laid out a tip envelope that had cash in it (extras wasn't really talked about back then, guys left out tip bait from my private messages convos on TER or extras just happened) and put a condom on me. She did CG and RGC, didn't last very long as she was physical perfect in my book and I was surprised. I was caught up in the moment, LOL. Told her I'd get it to her next time (had zero extra money that day), but unfortunately never got to see her again. I'll normally tip a gal 40-50 any legit extras, but Alice would have gotten 100 if I saw her again.
Would put Meagan in Tier A. And Hannah in Tier C (also likely to pop up again).Never saw Meagan any place, but I doubt she could make my S-Tier. Saw Hannah a few times when she was Ellie at DT, but she would probably be in my B-Tier if I saw her at ST.
JustJohn007
08-02-24, 09:37
Can Eva and Emily beat the GOAT Meagan?Has Meagan even been available for 30 days lifetime total at ST?
Never saw Meagan any place, but I doubt she could make my S-Tier. Saw Hannah a few times when she was Ellie at DT, but she would probably be in my B-Tier if I saw her at ST.She doesn't make my S tier either but writing someone off when you haven't seen them doesn't make much sense to me. Especially someone who is lauded as the goat by so many in the community. It's like me saying 'I doubt Alice makes my S tier' when I haven't seen her and despite your feedback.
And while we're on that subject, Victoria from ST and Briana from BG make my S tier. Physical perfection + unbeatable chemistry is how I classify anyone as S tier. I was initially very pleased to see the name 'Victoria' pop up on the roster but can tell from the pics it's not the same girl. She was better looking than Eva and with a juicier ass. And goodness me she showed me a great time. Briana similarly gorgeous. Not quite as physically perfect but the most complete GFE I've ever gotten in terms of vibes and extras.
Side note, I really hope Audrey comes back. Easy A tier and the best titties I've come across at ST. I'm way more of an ass man as well but I was mesmerized. I care way more about shape than size but she had both going for her. All natural too. A good example of great shape over sheer size is Chanel. My favorite titties from current roster.
Has Meagan even been available for 30 days lifetime total at ST?Not as far as I can tell.
JustJohn007
08-02-24, 11:42
She doesn't make my S tier either but writing someone off when you haven't seen them doesn't make much sense to me. Especially someone who is lauded as the goat by so many in the community. It's like me saying 'I doubt Alice makes my S tier' when I haven't seen her and despite your feedback.
And while we're on that subject, Victoria from ST and Briana from BG make my S tier. Physical perfection + unbeatable chemistry is how I classify anyone as S tier. I was initially very pleased to see the name 'Victoria' pop up on the roster but can tell from the pics it's not the same girl. She was better looking than Eva and with a juicier ass. And goodness me she showed me a great time. Briana similarly gorgeous. Not quite as physically perfect but the most complete GFE I've ever gotten in terms of vibes and extras.
Side note, I really hope Audrey comes back. Easy A tier and the best titties I've come across at ST. I'm way more of an ass man as well but I was mesmerized. I care way more about shape than size but she had both going for her. A good example of great shape over sheer size is Chanel. Probs my favorite titties from current roster.One of the reasons I like the idea of rankings since everyone has different tastes.
Victoria was a good time with full menu but as far as pure looks, not really my type. I prefer naturals to man mades and more petite / athletic type but that's just my taste.
One of the reasons I like the idea of rankings since everyone has different tastes.
Victoria was a good time with full menu but as far as pure looks, not really my type. I prefer naturals to man mades and more petite / athletic type but that's just my taste.We can't be talking about the same Victoria. Petite / athletic with naturals is exactly my type (ie Briana) and the one I'm talking about definitely didn't have any man mades. They weren't that big at all but perfectly pear shaped. Colombian chick in her early 20's who, based on her pics, some people thought was Maria from BG. I saw her back in December of last year.
The one you're describing seems to match the Victoria on the current roster who looks more brickhouse than the one I saw and whose titties look suspiciously man made.
We can't be talking about the same Victoria. Petite / athletic with naturals is exactly my type (ie Briana) and the one I'm talking about definitely didn't have any man mades. They weren't that big at all but perfectly pear shaped. Colombian chick in her early 20's who, based on her pics, some people thought was Maria from BG. I saw her back in December of last year.
The one you're describing seems to match the Victoria on the current roster who looks more brickhouse than the one I saw and whose titties look suspiciously man made.You think she got man mades of both and hit the gym? ST historically doesn't recycle names that fast, it normally takes years.
Link on the December profile links to another, but side profile looks somewhat similar based on pics as I have never seen Victoria:
https://web.archive.org/web/20231205013013/https://secrettemptation.com/page4.html
She doesn't make my S tier either but writing someone off when you haven't seen them doesn't make much sense to me. Especially someone who is lauded as the goat by so many in the community. It's like me saying 'I doubt Alice makes my S tier' when I haven't seen her and despite your feedback.Not into fake tits. Points off. Fake tits can be nicely done, but I strongly prefer natural.
You think she got man mades of both and hit the gym? ST historically doesn't recycle names that fast, it normally takes years.
Link on the December profile links to another, but side profile looks somewhat similar based on pics as I have never seen Victoria:
https://web.archive.org/web/20231205013013/https://secrettemptation.com/page4.htmlYea, I also thought that was strange re names. There's no way of knowing for sure I suppose until I see this one. She would've had to have gotten not only breast implants but calf implants too. Calves that size are genetic, you don't get those from the gym. And this one's shoulders look much broader. Anyone can reinvent themselves so can't absolutely rule it out but that's quite the transformation. Would be devastated if she got some man mades, LOL.
Not into fake tits. Points off. Fake tits can be nicely done, but I strongly prefer natural.Fair enough. I feel v much the same way.
Not as far as I can tell.Probably not at ST, but way more than 30 days when we include her time at BG as Leah.
I prefer natural as well and told her so, before and after she got her fake tits. But, she still has an incredible mix of looks and personality.
MichaelG312
08-05-24, 15:53
Fair enough. I feel v much the same way.All natural is my preference as well.
BCommodore
08-08-24, 08:58
Emma from Eden and formerly BG makes my S tier due to chemistry, it's a shame (but a blessing for her) that she's out now. That list also includes Lauren from ST whom I only got to see a few times like 5 years ago.
From the recent lineups, that would go to Becca and Alicia, but haven't seen their names in a while sadly. Looks like chemistry and vibe were the most important for me, because that list of 4 girls all had very different body types / faces. XD.
JustJohn007
08-08-24, 12:43
Emma from Eden and formerly BG makes my S tier due to chemistry, it's a shame (but a blessing for her) that she's out now. That list also includes Lauren from ST whom I only got to see a few times like 5 years ago.
From the recent lineups, that would go to Becca and Alicia, but haven't seen their names in a while sadly. Looks like chemistry and vibe were the most important for me, because that list of 4 girls all had very different body types / faces. XD.Lauren at ST definitely top tier for me as well due to chemistry, looks, and experience. I'm kind of vanilla maybe but she never said no to anything I suggested. I would be broke by now if she didn't suddenly disappear. She was one of the few girls that I could probably not tip or maybe even tip a token amount and she genuinely seemed happy with whatever I tipped.
JustJohn007
08-08-24, 12:47
You think she got man mades of both and hit the gym? ST historically doesn't recycle names that fast, it normally takes years.
Link on the December profile links to another, but side profile looks somewhat similar based on pics as I have never seen Victoria:
https://web.archive.org/web/20231205013013/https://secrettemptation.com/page4.htmlSaw the recent Victoria once but I don't think the link you included was her or her recent pics (it says Marissa when you click).
The current Victoria is off their website but she told me she's travelling for 2 wks and then coming back for FS with Elite. She wasn't my type; I also prefer natural, GND and some chemistry which is difficult due when she needed to google translate even basic things (is from Columbia).
Also, does anyone know which day of week she works? I'm planning to see her. There was one previous good review on her.
Saw the recent Victoria once but I don't think the link you included was her or her recent pics (it says Marissa when you click).
The current Victoria is off their website but she told me she's travelling for 2 wks and then coming back for FS with Elite. She wasn't my type; I also prefer natural, GND and some chemistry which is difficult due when she needed to google translate even basic things (is from Columbia).That's all the confirmation I needed that we saw different Victorias. Like I said, the one I saw didn't have man mades. And she spoke fluent American since she'd clearly grown up in this country. Very strange that ST recycled that name so quickly.
JustJohn007
08-09-24, 22:55
That's all the confirmation I needed that we saw different Victorias. Like I said, the one I saw didn't have man mades. And she spoke fluent American since she'd clearly grown up in this country. Very strange that ST recycled that name so quickly.ST has so many girls on the website and so many name changes that I'm afraid I'll end up seeing someone I had a terrible time with accidentally.
I should stick with the tried and true but can't help but hope that the next one will become an ATF.
MichaelG312
08-10-24, 14:38
ST has so many girls on the website and so many name changes that I'm afraid I'll end up seeing someone I had a terrible time with accidentally.
I should stick with the tried and true but can't help but hope that the next one will become an ATF.That has got to be the most uncomfortable feeling, expecting to see a specific woman and it unexpectedly be someone you had no intentions of ever wanting to see again. Never had that experience nor would I wish that on anyone.
Curious if anybody has ever asked if they could use a toy on a provider?
Recently saw Ashley for a first visit. Pretty face and a fit body that is photo accurate. Several tats and nicely done fake boobs to round out the accoutrements. Looks 24-25 and wouldn't seem out of place as a super senior in a sorority or a recently graduated intern at any organization. No doubt most 18-22 year olds would bone her and ask her to Netflix & Chill without question. However, in reality she is a vibrant mid 30's chick.
Bubbly, fun, smiley and slightly ditzy personality wise. I consider Ashley A-Tier looks and can safely say she is currently the hottest white girl at ST. Never seen Meagan and she's not consistently on the website for her to be a factor in my consideration.
In terms of performance, which was of the basic variety I was very satisfied. Fully nude, lotion and spit HJ, FIV, LFK, neck kissing, P2 P, dry humping in a couple positions, groping. I'm highly confident she would have allowed DATY, but I was more interested in being body to body, touching, and dry humping that day.
RyanHarvey
08-14-24, 08:33
Curious if anybody has ever asked if they could use a toy on a provider?I have. Every time I ever brought an outfit or a toy I discussed it in our prior session and made sure to bring it in brand new wrapping. It's up to you if you want to gift it to the girl when you are done or just take it home as a souvenir 🤣.
RyanHarvey
08-14-24, 08:34
That has got to be the most uncomfortable feeling, expecting to see a specific woman and it unexpectedly be someone you had no intentions of ever wanting to see again. Never had that experience nor would I wish that on anyone.This happened to me at ST. I legit didn't even recognize the girl but the service was bad. I offered to pay for extras via cashapp and when I entered her under name it was in my history LOL.
MichaelG312
08-14-24, 09:36
This happened to me at ST. I legit didn't even recognize the girl but the service was bad. I offered to pay for extras via cashapp and when I entered her under name it was in my history LOL.Bad service is one thing, The fact that you didn't even recognize the girl is even more disturbing. That is just wild!
JustJohn007
08-14-24, 14:33
Bad service is one thing, The fact that you didn't even recognize the girl is even more disturbing. That is just wild!I guess that brings up an interesting question regarding frequency vs quality (although everyone has different bankrolls).
I'm more of a once a month or so guy across all PV agencies these days. When a few of my ATF were around, way more.
RyanHarvey
08-17-24, 20:31
Jade: Honduras. I think previous post saying she is Brazilian or AA, those are wrong. She said from Honduras herself, but she grow up here and no accent at all. So technically she is Latina race, US ethnicity?
Cassie: white.
Alicia: Colombia.
Ashley: white.
Emily: Latina.
Skylar: white.
Lora: ?
Amber: White.
Jasmine: Indian.
Sasha: El Salvador.
Melanie: Pakistani.
BlurryVision28
08-18-24, 10:48
Jade: Honduras. I think previous post saying she is Brazilian or AA, those are wrong. She said from Honduras herself, but she grow up here and no accent at all. So technically she is Latina race, US ethnicity?
Cassie: white.
Alicia: Colombia.
Ashley: white.
Emily: Latina.
Skylar: white.
Lora: ?
Amber: White.
Jasmine: Indian.
Sasha: El Salvador.
Melanie: Pakistani.I heard Lora is Filipina and Hispanic. She's no longer listed on website. Victoria currently there is Colombian.
This happened to me at ST. I legit didn't even recognize the girl but the service was bad. I offered to pay for extras via cashapp and when I entered her under name it was in my history LOL.The opposite is true for the women. Sometimes I'm astonished how good their memory is. A ST girl remembered me and I only saw once back when ST still in old garden style apartment days. You thought they saw 7 to 8 customers a day, and it's been years, they would not recognize you. I went in with the mindset I will be treated as a new customer, but I was wrong. She told me she saw me before and pointed out it was at the old apartment.
Another time I went to a an AMP thinking meeting a nicely reviewed lady at an AMP I never been to. Turned out she was someone with different name at different MP. I didn't recognize her, but she said she saw me before, and that was 5 years before, pre-pandemic era! Then taking out all those aging mark, I remembered who that was.
I don't consider myself as facially unique. If I walk on the street, nobody would look at me more than once. The hard part of seeing these girls whether intentionally or not, is to see they aging quickly, their face start to droop, they start loosing muscle mass, it evoked feelings of nostalgia and so much more.
RyanHarvey
08-21-24, 07:36
If you could bring back any PV girl, who would it be and what would be the maximum you're willing to pay for it? I'm asking because there's a few I know outside of the PV spots and trying to entice them for a session or two.
If you could bring back any PV girl, who would it be and what would be the maximum you're willing to pay for it? I'm asking because there's a few I know outside of the PV spots and trying to entice them for a session or two.Kelcy from BG, 300. She took a facial like a champ.
I'm going to TOFTT with her. Now that she is at BG I'll take the plunge. The picks looked good but I'm reluctant to go to Eden due to the limited menu. Any pro-tips from gents that saw her at Eden will be greatly appreciated.
Kid.
If you could bring back any PV girl, who would it be and what would be the maximum you're willing to pay for it? I'm asking because there's a few I know outside of the PV spots and trying to entice them for a session or two.Ashley from ST was a smoke show. We had an ok session as there was a mix up on the time, but she disappeared before we could try again. I suppose it would be her to bring back although Eva is really amazing and is readily available.
As for max pay, my max is $300 / hour in VA and if I want to pay that, I actually get over 2 hours and BBFS optional from my retired ATFs. My max max is $400 and that's reserved for NYC trips to NYAF or any session with Cherry DD (if you know you know).
I am super curious what you are cooking up Bro!
JustJohn007
08-24-24, 14:42
If you could bring back any PV girl, who would it be and what would be the maximum you're willing to pay for it? I'm asking because there's a few I know outside of the PV spots and trying to entice them for a session or two.Lauren from ST.
Jordan from BG.
MarcusGoinsBig
08-27-24, 11:49
So, I'm getting a bit older these days, so not nearly as horned up as I used to be (still quite horny, but not the same.) and I got to thinking about my personal best from many years ago - 4 visits to ST in one day and another 1 the very next morning. So 5 pops within a 24 hour window Now, suffice it to say I was unencumbered by a S. O. And had cash to burn, as well as a never-ending boner. So anyway, that particular morning I had quite the itch, so I made a 1st thing appt at ST and saw a gorgeous AA girl who was relatively close to my age. She was absolutely stunning and the session was amazing. Everything, and I mean everything, was offered and enjoyed. I left and within an hour I was horny AF again, and knew I needed to go back. I called and made another appt with a good looking Latina (short, big ass and bubbly.) It was a 30 min session and was fairly standard, with some LFK. Titty sucking and a decent HJ. Pop #2 in the books. I go back to work, eat a light lunch at my desk and then around 2:30, bang, I'm horny again. I call and make my 3rd appt of the day for 3 PM and I'm back out the door. This girl was a cute, white spinner, nice ass and gorgeous vag. And she was a BJ pro. Also a 30 min appt and despite being my 3rd of the day, she had my popping within minutes as she allowed FIV while in a 69 position. It was quite the view. Now I feel like I'm finally satisfied and head back to my office to wrap up my day. My cock had other plans and by 5;30, I was calling ST yet again. The dude even laughed at me a bit. Made my 4th appt and got to see the AA gal again. She just giggled when she opened the door, and our session was an hour of straight BBBJ, DFK & CFS fucking and. It was the most GFE I have ever had at a PV location. Anyway, I finish, shower and leave; my cock and balls aching and finally "happy". Until the next morning.
So, anyway. The question is this: What's your personal best?
RyanHarvey
08-27-24, 23:27
So, I'm getting a bit older these days, so not nearly as horned up as I used to be (still quite horny, but not the same.) and I got to thinking about my personal best from many years ago - 4 visits to ST in one day and another 1 the very next morning. So 5 pops within a 24 hour window Now, suffice it to say I was unencumbered by a S. O. And had cash to burn, as well as a never-ending boner. So anyway, that particular morning I had quite the itch, so I made a 1st thing appt at ST and saw a gorgeous AA girl who was relatively close to my age. She was absolutely stunning and the session was amazing. Everything, and I mean everything, was offered and enjoyed. I left and within an hour I was horny AF again, and knew I needed to go back. I called and made another appt with a good looking Latina (short, big ass and bubbly.) It was a 30 min session and was fairly standard, with some LFK. Titty sucking and a decent HJ. Pop #2 in the books. I go back to work, eat a light lunch at my desk and then around 2:30, bang, I'm horny again. I call and make my 3rd appt of the day for 3 PM and I'm back out the door. This girl was a cute, white spinner, nice ass and gorgeous vag. And she was a BJ pro. Also a 30 min appt and despite being my 3rd of the day, she had my popping within minutes as she allowed FIV while in a 69 position. It was quite the view. Now I feel like I'm finally satisfied and head back to my office to wrap up my day. My cock had other plans and by 5;30, I was calling ST yet again. The dude even laughed at me a bit. Made my 4th appt and got to see the AA gal again. She just giggled when she opened the door, and our session was an hour of straight BBBJ, DFK & CFS fucking and. It was the most GFE I have ever had at a PV location. Anyway, I finish, shower and leave; my cock and balls aching and finally "happy". Until the next morning.
So, anyway. The question is this: What's your personal best?I wish I could afford ST 5 times in one day. Three is my best. Started off at a busted LCS and got a nut off but just barely. Didn't enjoy any of it. So much that I left and went to ST for a redemption nut. After getting it I went home to wifey and got my third one that night.
RyanHarvey
08-27-24, 23:27
I'm going to TOFTT with her. Now that she is at BG I'll take the plunge. The picks looked good but I'm reluctant to go to Eden due to the limited menu. Any pro-tips from gents that saw her at Eden will be greatly appreciated.
Kid.I'm not impressed by her BG pics. Is she young? What does she look like?
Ashley & Molly. I know some of you all are Interested-In / Can-Negotiate 2 at a time and well those two know each other in real life. Anyone that has hit it off with both individually might be able to pull it off for a good time.
JustJohn007
08-28-24, 07:34
I wish I could afford ST 5 times in one day. Three is my best. Started off at a busted LCS and got a nut off but just barely. Didn't enjoy any of it. So much that I left and went to ST for a redemption nut. After getting it I went home to wifey and got my third one that night.Wish I could afford 3 times in a day. Only once in several decades have I had multiple visits. Went to ST once and saw someone so unsatisfying and unappealing that I couldn't really finish; called BG as soon as I got into the car which took care of things.
All of this makes me wonder how often everyone is going to PV and is it with the same girl usually (or maybe two or three)?
When there's someone great, I was averaging once very week or two. Down to every 3-4 weeks now.
CougarBear
08-29-24, 16:45
If you could bring back any PV girl, who would it be and what would be the maximum you're willing to pay for it? I'm asking because there's a few I know outside of the PV spots and trying to entice them for a session or two.Becca ST. $300.
RyanHarvey
08-29-24, 23:23
Becca ST. $300.Doesn't she pop back up every now and then?
MichaelG312
08-30-24, 15:31
Doesn't she pop back up every now and then?Yea but it has been a while since she's been back.
All of this makes me wonder how often everyone is going to PV and is it with the same girl usually (or maybe two or three)?
When there's someone great, I was averaging once very week or two. Down to every 3-4 weeks now.Variable based on circumstances.
Recently I been to ST 12 x over last 12 weeks because I wanted to try out the talent. Things kept declining performance wise since 2023 (reduced to topless then to clothed in lingerie and I can't really touch) with Chanel that I would see every couple months with no turn around in sight so I decided to fully explore other talent at an unprecedented rate for me this summer. Every girl I saw (a couple 2 x) end of May to the end of August all fully nude, all body to body, all mutual groping aka expected basic stuff with the exception of one.
Worked in Chanel end of July and she answered the door in a micro / g-string bikini under a very see through dress so I was excited for reverse trajectory and rewarded patience, just for her to return to room in a thong and a full coverage bra and I can't really touch, *sigh*. So I told Chanel I do better when the girls take their clothes off and she said would like to but a lot of undercover cops been coming to ST lately so she can't do it, *meh*. Chanel being the exception.
But Back in 2020-22 went to ST Average of about twice a month because I was satisfied seeing Jessie and seeing Chanel (under another name or 2) about every other month once she joined in 2021. Then Jessie left Summer 22 and I took a six month break because Chanel (different name at time) changed her name to Chanel and it was pictures that appeared to be a random white girl and someone on this board finally revealed Chanel's old name and I saw her back to back weeks for a good basic time / some extras Then she left for 3 months or so.
Yea but it has been a while since she's been back.If she comes back soon I hope to check her out for the first time to see the hype. Many guys was posting about good experiences over a couple years which I don't see with the current crop of ST girls with a bunch of guys weighing in with their experiences.
All natural is my preference as well.And they just feel better when you grabbing real boobs. White Ashley (https://secrettemptation.com/page28.html) not to be confused with Latina (I think) Ashley (https://secrettemptation.com/page23.html) has wonderful looking fake boobs with a natural hang, but once you start squeezing it interrupts the vibe for me with the silicon signalling something artificial in an already artificial encounter and perhaps artificial experience for the most part. I have to limit the boob touching to maintain the vibe.
MichaelG312
09-01-24, 09:33
And they just feel better when you grabbing real boobs. White Ashley (https://secrettemptation.com/page28.html) not to be confused with Latina (I think) Ashley (https://secrettemptation.com/page23.html) has wonderful looking fake boobs with a natural hang, but once you start squeezing it interrupts the vibe for me with the silicon signalling something artificial in an already artificial encounter and perhaps artificial experience for the most part. I have to limit the boob touching to maintain the vibe.https://secrettemptation.com/page28.html
I haven't seen her yet but definitely my next experience I'm looking forward to.
Variable based on circumstances.
Recently I been to ST 12 x over last 12 weeks because I wanted to try out the talent. Things kept declining performance wise since 2023 (reduced to topless then to clothed in lingerie and I can't really touch) with Chanel that I would see every couple months with no turn around in sight so I decided to fully explore other talent at an unprecedented rate for me this summer. Every girl I saw (a couple 2 x) end of May to the end of August all fully nude, all body to body, all mutual groping aka expected basic stuff with the exception of one.
Worked in Chanel end of July and she answered the door in a micro / g-string bikini under a very see through dress so I was excited for reverse trajectory and rewarded patience, just for her to return to room in a thong and a full coverage bra and I can't really touch, *sigh*. So I told Chanel I do better when the girls take their clothes off and she said would like to but a lot of undercover cops been coming to ST lately so she can't do it, *meh*. Chanel being the exception.
But Back in 2020-22 went to ST Average of about twice a month because I was satisfied seeing Jessie and seeing Chanel (under another name or 2) about every other month once she joined in 2021. Then Jessie left Summer 22 and I took a six month break because Chanel (different name at time) changed her name to Chanel and it was pictures that appeared to be a random white girl and someone on this board finally revealed Chanel's old name and I saw her back to back weeks for a good basic time / some extras Then she left for 3 months or so.I've visited them a few times recently during this summer and haven't had any issues with the ladies taking off all of their clothes and having as much fun as you would expect. Can you elaborate a little bit more on what she was saying about the undercovers?
PoonHunter101
09-02-24, 07:36
I've visited them a few times recently during this summer and haven't had any issues with the ladies taking off all of their clothes and having as much fun as you would expect. Can you elaborate a little bit more on what she was saying about the undercovers?No issues for me either, dreamed with Jade x1 and Sasha x4 over the summer and the dreams progressively got better.
I've visited them a few times recently during this summer and haven't had any issues with the ladies taking off all of their clothes and having as much fun as you would expect. Can you elaborate a little bit more on what she was saying about the undercovers?I don't know if it was a fully valid statement. I think it was just an excuse. I didn't dive deeper into LE. I was just speaking to the contrast of a basic experience in my post.
Said I do better when girls take their clothes off.
She said she usually doesn't take her clothes off, don't we have a good time?
I said what does usually mean?
Said she would take them off but she can't because there has been a lot of undercover cops lately.
Is this about money? No.
Should I see someone else? No.
Is it because I show up at a bad time? No, it has nothing to do with you.
Maybe I should leave and comeback another time, that might be best? No.
Hug & Kiss end of session as I leave.
No issues for me either, dreamed with Jade x1 and Sasha x4 over the summer and the dreams progressively got better.I saw Sasha once and for first time this summer. Told me she was dropping 10 lbs soon to let me know she would be tighter bodied going forward, haha. Maybe I was too laid back and she wanted to make sure I returned. I will probably check her out again soon.
Monthehunt
09-02-24, 16:42
Hi,
I don't know anything about PV. I've only been on the Asian side of providers, mainly J girls, of Nova. I was curious about how the pricing works with VR. If I go for the 1 hr at 2.20 and Selena offers me FS at 1.50, is that added to 2.20 to make 3.70 or does that scratches the 2.20 and now becomes 1.50? Thanks.
Hi,
I don't know anything about PV. I've only been on the Asian side of providers, mainly J girls, of Nova. I was curious about how the pricing works with VR. If I go for the 1 hr at 2.20 and Selena offers me FS at 1.50, is that added to 2.20 to make 3.70 or does that scratches the 2.20 and now becomes 1.50? Thanks.370.
Welcome to the PV community.
DickLongwood
09-02-24, 18:01
Hi,
I don't know anything about PV. I've only been on the Asian side of providers, mainly J girls, of Nova. I was curious about how the pricing works with VR. If I go for the 1 hr at 2.20 and Selena offers me FS at 1.50, is that added to 2.20 to make 3.70 or does that scratches the 2.20 and now becomes 1.50? Thanks.It would be $370. The extras are added to the house entry fee. Some PV girls ask very little extra, whereas other may ask for a supplement of $300 or more. So, you will pay at least $220 and could wind up paying $500 or so.
Has anybody taken the dip with Taylor at BG yet? I was going to, but wanted to know if there are any reports?
Worked in Chanel end of July and she answered the door in a micro / g-string bikini under a very see through dress so I was excited for reverse trajectory and rewarded patience, just for her to return to room in a thong and a full coverage bra and I can't really touch, *sigh*. So I told Chanel I do better when the girls take their clothes off and she said would like to but a lot of undercover cops been coming to ST lately so she can't do it, *meh*. Chanel being the exception.Oh man that sucks dude. Can't say I've encountered that either, with Chanel or any other girl. If anything my sessions with Chanel seem to get increasingly better. She told me I remind her of a certain celebrity she has a crush on and this obviously has been of great benefit!!
Oh man that sucks dude. Can't say I've encountered that either, with Chanel or any other girl. If anything my sessions with Chanel seem to get increasingly better. She told me I remind her of a certain celebrity she has a crush on and this obviously has been of great benefit!!What celebrity (well, if it ain't AA, I'm SOL)? What benefit? Extras?
I didn't make an issue with 2023 performance decline and 2023 sore boobs my visits off the strength of 2021-22 experiences. But the clothes swap is weird and undercover cops issue stuff is damn near a bridge too far if it's a lie.
I have seen Ashley 2x, Emily 2x, Taylor, Sasha, Alicia, Molly, Mila & Cassie, Eva summer 2024. Girls automatically removed clothes & hopped in the bed plus the first visit girls wasn't even topless only as some do. No concerns of any kind. But the lady I known the longest didn't meet the basic standard that's not considered extras.
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That's twice.
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Has anybody taken the dip with Taylor at BG yet? I was going to, but wanted to know if there are any reports?She's OK. No LFK, turn face away, no I don't do that remark. Full body access, DATY (she o's), good HJ finish. Looks body as pictured, but older close to or early 30 may be. She asked for tips for that service, which surprised me, she expected it laid on table after the session and visibly not happy it wasn't. Do people tip for standard pv at BG, should she expect it?
A simple PM to me would have prevented a ban to a top contributor in the PV space yesterday, LOL. *Moment of Silence*.
I'm on TER as well (Occasionally VIP when I submit problem reports of updated websites from time to time) if a mailbox gets full here etc. Last month Banned Dude said PV was a little fun hobby and he limits visits and it's no sweat to move girl to girl and guys ain't special; Fast forward yesterday dude said he not divulging anything because some girls don't want to be a topic after already responding about his great benefit blah blah blah, LOL. PSA to us all, PMs exist for a reason and try to re-read before we press upload.
I was back channeling notably with guys like JustJohn007 10 yrs ago and probably a few others that made it over to this board from TER including Banned Dude. I've been helpful to the community and vice versa. I'm not opening up a PM to a lady. However, In general knowing what's basic service and extra service is valuable so one can maneuver accordingly is not abnormal.
In a 30 mins session.
At least topless but usually fully nude. I see it as foreplay in HJ, mutual touching all over & some cuddling for 5 minutes. Then body to body slide for 5 minutes. Next 10-15 mins it's lap dance, ass job, dry humping, grinding & p2 p until completion with some HJ involved. Clean up and leave.
Now some guys need lfk or dfk, but neck kissing is fine with me. I like hug and kiss when I walk out.
That has been the routine with some variations in my experiences since early 2010's. I tip if done well and / or girl put up a good effort, but that's not something for a girl to expect. Tip is for BJ and / or FS if included, but at my discretion since I go for those that allow it cause they would want to do if they met me at the bar, house party, tailgate party etc. Instead of the upsell girl that probably has zero attraction to me.
If somehow Echo at VR could find a way to look like Peach Jars (twitch streamer, cosplayer & onlyfan gal) I would see her again. When I first saw Echo many months ago I thought I would get a GND like Peach Jars, but that was not the case. I feel Echo looks like the unmolded clay version of Peach Jars.
Peach Jars imo is the MTV Pimp My Ride version of Echo, officially pimped. If Echo gained some weight, hit the gym, spruced up the hair, adjusted the makeup she would be a decent looking chick like Peach Jars. She would go from a 3 (homely) to a 6 (nice) in my book.
Maybe I'm off-base. Maybe I'm on-point. Just what I'm feeling at the time.
In a 30 mins session.
At least topless but usually fully nude. I see it as foreplay in HJ, mutual touching all over & some cuddling for 5 minutes. Then body to body slide for 5 minutes. Next 10-15 mins it's lap dance, ass job, dry humping, grinding & p2 p until completion with some HJ involved. Clean up and leave.
Now some guys need lfk or dfk, but neck kissing is fine with me. I like hug and kiss when I walk out.
That has been the routine with some variations in my experiences since early 2010's. I tip if done well and / or girl put up a good effort, but that's not something for a girl to expect. Tip is for BJ and / or FS if included, but at my discretion since I go for those that allow it cause they would want to do if they met me at the bar, house party, tailgate party etc. Instead of the upsell girl that probably has zero attraction to me.What you are describing is more than basic service. I think basic service is what you get at Eden. Anything more intimate like body to body, etc. the girls expect a tip.
CougarBear
09-05-24, 14:36
In a 30 mins session.
At least topless but usually fully nude. I see it as foreplay in HJ, mutual touching all over & some cuddling for 5 minutes. Then body to body slide for 5 minutes. Next 10-15 mins it's lap dance, ass job, dry humping, grinding & p2 p until completion with some HJ involved. Clean up and leave.
Now some guys need lfk or dfk, but neck kissing is fine with me. I like hug and kiss when I walk out.
That has been the routine with some variations in my experiences since early 2010's. I tip if done well and / or girl put up a good effort, but that's not something for a girl to expect. Tip is for BJ and / or FS if included, but at my discretion since I go for those that allow it cause they would want to do if they met me at the bar, house party, tailgate party etc. Instead of the upsell girl that probably has zero attraction to me.Basic service varies a bit by location. At Eden you are going to get a topless massage with a HJ on the flip with some mutual touching allowed. What you are describing is more what I would call basic service at DT or BG, although it varies by girl. DT I have a little bit higher expectation of basic service to include full nude, body slide, grinding, maybe P2 P and FOV with a HJ completion. LFK depends on the girl. BJ, DFK, deep FIV, DATY, FS would all be considered extra with a tip, which may or may not be negotiated in advance.
What you are describing is more than basic service. I think basic service is what you get at Eden. Anything more intimate like body to body, etc. the girls expect a tip.That hasn't been my experience at any of the local PV places. What he described is what I've gotten without a tip from 90% of my PV encounters, EXCEPT those at Eden. And I've been doing PV for 15+ years at this point.
RyanHarvey
09-05-24, 23:29
That hasn't been my experience at any of the local PV places. What he described is what I've gotten without a tip from 90% of my PV encounters, EXCEPT those at Eden. And I've been doing PV for 15+ years at this point.Maybe I'm just picking the right girls at ST but I've never been with a girl that didn't at least offer BBBJ. Every girl I've ever been with has gone nude of the bat with a HJ. Then they upsell into BBBJ or FS.
She's OK. No LFK, turn face away, no I don't do that remark. Full body access, DATY (she o's), good HJ finish. Looks body as pictured, but older close to or early 30 may be. She asked for tips for that service, which surprised me, she expected it laid on table after the session and visibly not happy it wasn't. Do people tip for standard pv at BG, should she expect it?Bummer, are the good old days of BG gone with hot girls that just go all out for the house fee.
MichaelG312
09-06-24, 07:10
Maybe I'm just picking the right girls at ST but I've never been with a girl that didn't at least offer BBBJ. Every girl I've ever been with has gone nude of the bat with a HJ. Then they upsell into BBBJ or FS.Same here. My experiences have been great.
That hasn't been my experience at any of the local PV places. What he described is what I've gotten without a tip from 90% of my PV encounters, EXCEPT those at Eden. And I've been doing PV for 15+ years at this point.Exactly, so why was Banned Dude (don't think you allowed to mention banned members) was saying he can't divulge an experience that is standard? And even as it comes to extras girls had only taken issue with someone writing a graphic porn. Talking looks, basics stuff and saying extras may be available if you click without certain bb activities is nothing to the ladies and brings clients. Why not PM me?
Hell, unrelated, I knew Alicia wouldn't be around long. Though nude, Alicia was just basic HJ in my experience without being up on you and lap dancing with her best ASSet, LOL. That doesn't work at ST. At least lay next to a guy, put a leg over him and do the HJ in a close / intimate way.
So if a girl can't go at least topless at ST and can't even lay next to you / cuddle hooking-up with basic mutual touching with a HJ scenario supposedly en mase, then maintain her clients over the course of about a year when in my experiences ST client standards weed ladies out quick? It's Fishy.
Maybe I'm just picking the right girls at ST but I've never been with a girl that didn't at least offer BBBJ. Every girl I've ever been with has gone nude of the bat with a HJ. Then they upsell into BBBJ or FS.I'll just focus on last 6 years at ST even though the trend is longer and no one has ever said it, but I will. If one had simply just seen the white girls at ST over the last 6 yrs and one meets meet basic hygiene standards and one is chill / respectful they do my described basics with some variations 100% of time and do / allow / offer a variety of guys extras at a higher percentage than others.
RyanHarvey
09-06-24, 23:31
That hasn't been my experience at any of the local PV places. What he described is what I've gotten without a tip from 90% of my PV encounters, EXCEPT those at Eden. And I've been doing PV for 15+ years at this point.Never gotten FS at Eden but I did get a BBBJ from an Indian girl who was there for like a month or so. She had astrology tattoos and I made the mistake of asking her about them. She went on for the entire hour. Good BJ though and her eyes kept watering when she would deepthroat it.
Never gotten FS at Eden but I did get a BBBJ from an Indian girl who was there for like a month or so. She had astrology tattoos and I made the mistake of asking her about them. She went on for the entire hour. Good BJ though and her eyes kept watering when she would deepthroat it.I don't post often; but I have to correct the misconception that Eden doesn't do FS. It's more like the guys that have access to it are mum. The donations are also different, think $300 and up. But can be done and generally becomes less once the chick gets comfortable. Just like everything else YMMV, I find them more careful with who they offer it to, most recently there was a LE scare that had many being more suspicious. Happy hunting.
So, I'm getting a bit older these days, so not nearly as horned up as I used to be (still quite horny, but not the same.) and I got to thinking about my personal best from many years ago - 4 visits to ST in one day and another 1 the very next morning.And another point this speaks to is that the majority of girls now in days just work 12 pm-5 pm weekdays at ST. Back in the day though they had less girls being 6-9 of them, ST had more coverage as 9 am-9 pm to accommodate more guys and seemed like all girls worked various hours to be available to all clients. Some days a girl would be 9 am-3 pm and another day 3 pm-9 pm and then work a Saturday or a Sunday every other weekend.
Granted ST and the girls adjust schedules to fit their client base, but it's practically a bunch of girls 12 pm-5 pm weekdays and some girls extended here and there. But I remember all rooms being occupied at 8:30 pm any weekday early 2010's. But I guess it speaks to ST's current client base and majority of these girls philosophies.
RollinRockS
09-07-24, 21:35
Hello everyone,
I am new to PV. I am been looking at Eden and ST sites and want to give it a try. I have seen some good review on Ashley with ST. Any recommendations or suggestions? How does this whole process work? An advices is appreciated. TIA.
CougarBear
09-08-24, 15:05
Hello everyone,
I am new to PV. I am been looking at Eden and ST sites and want to give it a try. I have seen some good review on Ashley with ST. Any recommendations or suggestions? How does this whole process work? An advices is appreciated. TIA.There isn't much to it. Most PV places only do same day appointments so call the morning you want an appointment. Eden list who is available that day but ST and BG you have to call to see who is working. Don't be surprised if they don't answer and you need to leave a message, they may or may not call back it depends on how busy they are that day and if they want to deal with a new customer. In my experience at least the PVs do not do text messages.
All of the PVs are in the same basic area of Tysons Corner near the Galleria.
Once you have an appointment, you will call from outside at your appointment time and they will give you the unit number. Knock discretely and wait for them to answer. Once inside either pay the model directly or leave the money on the table. The rest is up to you and the model but all PV's generally include a topless massage and a HJ happy ending.
I have not personally seen Ashley but have never had a really bad experience with ST. Much of it depends on your connection with the model and how they are feeling that day.
Happy hunting.
https://www.velvetroom.fun/lisa
I recently visited Lisa over at VR. The pictures are pretty close representation of how she actually looked. In my opinion she looks better in person. She has small cities that are implants but she's very pretty. She has a flat stomach with a nice bottle to go with it on her. English is very limited. She said she's from Miami and I'm not sure how long she's going to be here. I opted to massage her to get her comfortable. She removed her top and let me nurse along with over the panties roaming. There was a significant upcharge for FS $$$ I declined and got a standard NOVA finish. I won't repeat due to the lack of chemistry and significant upcharge.
Kid.
There isn't much to it. Most PV places only do same day appointments so call the morning you want an appointment. Eden list who is available that day but ST and BG you have to call to see who is working. Don't be surprised if they don't answer and you need to leave a message, they may or may not call back it depends on how busy they are that day and if they want to deal with a new customer. In my experience at least the PVs do not do text messages.
All of the PVs are in the same basic area of Tysons Corner near the Galleria.
Once you have an appointment, you will call from outside at your appointment time and they will give you the unit number. Knock discretely and wait for them to answer. Once inside either pay the model directly or leave the money on the table. The rest is up to you and the model but all PV's generally include a topless massage and a HJ happy ending.
I have not personally seen Ashley but have never had a really bad experience with ST. Much of it depends on your connection with the model and how they are feeling that day.This is really good but remember the rate for hh / hr is just to get in, extras will be more (tip) so be sure to bring more, depends on what your looking for from BJ to FS you might need 60- few hundred more. Some girls want up to $$$ for FS but remember you can say no to it.
Anyone having issues with getting a hold of ST? All of a sudden says they can't be reached by my VOIP app.
RollinRockS
09-11-24, 00:12
Thanks for all the information. Will report back after my visit hopefully this week.
This is really good but remember the rate for hh / hr is just to get in, extras will be more (tip) so be sure to bring more, depends on what your looking for from BJ to FS you might need 60- few hundred more. Some girls want up to $$$ for FS but remember you can say no to it.
JustJohn007
09-11-24, 12:13
Anyone having issues with getting a hold of ST? All of a sudden says they can't be reached by my VOIP app.No issues on Monday (though no one available excited me either).
For the first time in years, can't seem to find a girl I would like to see regularly who is available when I am. Seems like lots of the girls are only working 2 days / wk and have limited hours (I don't work or live in that area).
JamesBlack1852
09-13-24, 18:41
Does anyone have a good recommendation for footjob at any of these pv places?
Does anyone have a good recommendation for footjob at any of these pv places?She's off the website right now. But Emily at ST incorporates a footjob with her HJ. Never had a footjob experience prior so I can't compare, but I'm sure she's open to accommodate preferences.
https://secrettemptation.com/page38.html
JamesBlack1852
09-15-24, 19:19
I don't post often; but I have to correct the misconception that Eden doesn't do FS. It's more like the guys that have access to it are mum. The donations are also different, think $300 and up. But can be done and generally becomes less once the chick gets comfortable. Just like everything else YMMV, I find them more careful with who they offer it to, most recently there was a LE scare that had many being more suspicious. Happy hunting.FS is definitely possible at Eden however very YMMV, probably need to visit said girl a few times 1st, and be ready to make it rain dollars.
RyanHarvey
09-16-24, 15:03
FS is definitely possible at Eden however very YMMV, probably need to visit said girl a few times 1st, and be ready to make it rain dollars.Are there any girls at Eden worth that effort?
JamesBlack1852
09-16-24, 15:45
Are there any girls at Eden worth that effort?I guess that would depend on the gentlemen as we all have different taste in women. I visit Eden the most of the places in Tysons but that's just me, a lot of people don't like Edens do to lack of extras.
MichaelG312
09-16-24, 15:48
Are there any girls at Eden worth that effort?I'm curious as well.
Granted, I have had a few dreams about gals I have seen the most over the years.
But last night was different. I dreamed about calling the phone dude at ST to establish a line of credit. Having phone dude take my info and going over a credit report and asking why I want credit like a casino, LOL. Then phone dude going over gals I have seen and me not spreading it around. And me telling phone dude I should be treated like a high roller because I may not be as prolific and I like who I like, but I have been a patron many times over the years. Let me get some royal treatment and I can speak positively to grow the business, haha.
I'm not a dream interpreter, but to dream about talking to the booker is a different level of the game and different mindset. Or maybe because I spend more time post pandemic asking about schedules as those I want to see are not consistent with days and times, LOL.
https://www.velvetroom.fun/mariana
Anyone recognize her from another agency?
I can tell she will popular for a couple months and hard to book if extras are available for a long time.
Granted, I have had a few dreams about gals I have seen the most over the years.
But last night was different. I dreamed about calling the phone dude at ST to establish a line of credit. Having phone dude take my info and going over a credit report and asking why I want credit like a casino, LOL. Then phone dude going over gals I have seen and me not spreading it around. And me telling phone dude I should be treated like a high roller because I may not be as prolific and I like who I like, but I have been a patron many times over the years. Let me get some royal treatment and I can speak positively to grow the business, haha.
I'm not a dream interpreter, but to dream about talking to the booker is a different level of the game and different mindset. Or maybe because I spend more time post pandemic asking about schedules as those I want to see are not consistent with days and times, LOL.That's creating an insane paper trail for what is still an illegal enterprise. And opens you up for prosecution as far more than a mere john. In Seattle these guys got more involved with some of the Asian agencies, then started giving women rides to places, and next thing you know they got hit with trafficking charges, even though they were ostensibly just doing their "friends" a favor.
Lost their high paying jobs in IT, and faced jail time (I doubt that they actually got sentenced on that level, but still). Good luck though.
JustJohn007
09-18-24, 19:45
https://www.velvetroom.fun/mariana
Anyone recognize her from another agency?
I can tell she will popular for a couple months and hard to book if extras are available for a long time.DT / VR notorious for using "representative" pictures.
Pics look great; doubt it's her but eagerly await someone to report back.
DT / VR notorious for using "representative" pictures.
Pics look great; doubt it's her but eagerly await someone to report back.https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu19T6eMNtm/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
That's creating an insane paper trail for what is still an illegal enterprise. And opens you up for prosecution as far more than a mere john. In Seattle these guys got more involved with some of the Asian agencies, then started giving women rides to places, and next thing you know they got hit with trafficking charges, even though they were ostensibly just doing their "friends" a favor.
Lost their high paying jobs in IT, and faced jail time (I doubt that they actually got sentenced on that level, but still). Good luck though.No worries. Dreams are dreams, but it being about talking to the booker instead of an encounter with a lady is semi telling about my feelings / dealings with ST as of late, ha.
I don't post often; but I have to correct the misconception that Eden, most recently there was a LE scare that had many being more suspicious. Happy hunting.I wonder if this Edens paranoia is spilling over into the other agencies or the others had scares as well. Does make me rethink Chanel's statement about undercovers, but it was convenient giving the decline any visit last 18 months.
I recently saw Julia at VR for first time and even though it will not be mentioned in my TER review, her nudity was moving thong to side and wearing a robe that had like a built in bra I had to move around to reveal boobs, it was like she was prepared to cover up quickly if need be.
Now The second and most recent time I saw Ashley at ST end of August. As I was taking off her nighty & clothing she said that she hopes she doesn't get in trouble and went to turn off the lights first and the only light was the sign over the bed. Almost like there was a possible surveillance concern.
It's like they think guys could be narcs in the informant sense beyond someone being LE. And I've been imo seeing the paranoia that these ladies may have that I've never seen in the past. Any of you all noticed girls acting concerned or different than normal outside of Edens?
Standard screening for this agency? P411?
BlurryVision28
09-21-24, 20:42
Her body is just like the girl in the pictures, flawless Russian. Short died hair. Skin is perfect and upgrades are available $$ Amazing mic job and would recommend for sure.
JustJohn007
09-21-24, 20:55
Her body is just like the girl in the pictures, flawless Russian. Short died hair. Skin is perfect and upgrades are available $$ Amazing mic job and would recommend for sure.Thanks for TOFT.
Enjoy the thrill of the new but things cost too much for me to be throwing away money.
I'm interested in Bria at Velvet Room. There's something about that sexy big girl vibe with long blonde hair that is working for me.
I find myself checking out her pics a lot.
Has anyone seen her? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
https://www.velvetroom.fun/bria
I've only seen Elena there, and found her to be just like her pics. Sexy figure, nice face. I liked my time with her very much, but haven't repeated.
Thanks in advance for any info about Bria.
Her body is just like the girl in the pictures, flawless Russian. Short died hair. Skin is perfect and upgrades are available $$ Amazing mic job and would recommend for sure.You weren't kidding. I just saw her. What a goddess! Tall, beautiful, and possessed of amazing grace and beauty. I can't recommend her enough. I'm still tingling.
1) Mariana is visiting from NYC. Will only be around 10 more days from the time you read this.
2) She has a fairly thick Russian / Eastern European accent. Slim girl that's built like a 1980's fitness model as opposed to the modern slim thick girl that does a lot of squats. Cute face. Probably 5'8" & wears heels to bring her close to 6 feet. Short hair (down to shoulders) that is brown with blonde highlights.
3) she lit candles and counted the donation by candle light without ever leaving room, so that was different. And then she played old school Sade songs to sit the mood / session, nice. Essentially she watched me undress and hop in bed, which was different than any other pv experience. And then she met me in bed and I watched her go topless.
4) I'm not into upsell but was talking extras as she brought it up and I told her I only had $50. And out of curiosity I inquired about price and she said 300 for everything. I asked about the handsome man discount. She said I was handsome and she said she doesn't say it to all, but still 300, haha. And I complimented her on being a businesswoman. Though I feel like 200 for everything would be possible near the end of her time to extract the most dollars from her visit.
5) Basic service was okay with her being topless and being able to touch, but not kiss her boobs. She was not interested in doing a lap dance / grinding, but will sit on thighs and give a HJ. Kept bottoms on and said it's exclusive to touch her coochie, but I could be quite liberal grabbing her ass & thighs. She also Incorporated some dirty talk. She did some light cuddling as well. Uses hands decent with variable touches and jerks for the HJ. However, I feel Mariana is more in her element doing extras as opposed to a private view routine.
JamesBlack1852
09-25-24, 12:44
Went to see Mariana watch out for this one I am not so sure this is a women or at least born a women. Tall thin and muscular back has a heavy accent that got deeper as if it was a front. I got a look at her neck and it looks like an adams apple to me. I left mid session! Math ain't mathing here be warned. VR is on some BS if this is true!
MichaelG312
09-25-24, 17:05
Went to see Mariana watch out for this one I am not so sure this is a women or at least born a women. Tall thin and muscular back has a heavy accent that got deeper as if it was a front. I got a look at her neck and it looks like an adams apple to me. I left mid session! Math ain't mathing here be warned. VR is on some BS if this is true!Are you serious?? Man thanks for the heads up!
ColaKos2045
09-26-24, 11:29
Has anyone seen her? Not finding much about her on the forum but really intrigued with her body and lips. Also is it true you can't verify if you don't have a reference?
Went to see Mariana watch out for this one I am not so sure this is a women or at least born a women. Tall thin and muscular back has a heavy accent that got deeper as if it was a front. I got a look at her neck and it looks like an adams apple to me. I left mid session! Math ain't mathing here be warned. VR is on some BS if this is true!*face palm*.
You just physically described Caitlin Clark, Ann Coulter, Taylor Swift, Brett Somers, Elizabeth Holmes, Sandra Bullock, Zoe Salanda, Ciara (I still remember the nasty rumors when I was growing up until bow wow, future & are. Wilson got involved with her) etc.
Everyone has an Adam's apple. Mostly visible in men, but shows up varying degrees of visibility in many natural born women. Anecdotal they tend to be skinny / slim.
You might want to sit this one out. Did you question / report this to VR? What did you tell Mariana when you walked out? What's the end game here?
And was that you that gave her a 7 on TER, but still questioned her womanhood? Then what did you find attractive? LOL, man sit this one out before it blows up on ya. But it's your call, haha.
JamesBlack1852
09-26-24, 17:45
*face palm*.
You just physically described Caitlin Clark, Ann Coulter, Taylor Swift, Brett Somers, Elizabeth Holmes, Sandra Bullock, Zoe Salanda, Ciara (I still remember the nasty rumors when I was growing up until bow wow, future & are. Wilson got involved with her) etc.
Everyone has an Adam's apple. Mostly visible in men, but shows up varying degrees of visibility in many natural born women. Anecdotal they tend to be skinny / slim.
You might want to sit this one out. Did you question / report this to VR? What did you tell Mariana when you walked out? What's the end game here?
And was that you that gave her a 7 on TER, but still questioned her womanhood? Then what did you find attractive? LOL, man sit this one out before it blows up on ya. But it's your call, haha.This message board is purely opinion based and I mentioned that I could have been tripping and the end game is to inform everyone here of my opinion. In my opinion non of these women you named look like a dude.
BlurryVision28
09-26-24, 19:02
Went to see Mariana watch out for this one I am not so sure this is a women or at least born a women. Tall thin and muscular back has a heavy accent that got deeper as if it was a front. I got a look at her neck and it looks like an adams apple to me. I left mid session! Math ain't mathing here be warned. VR is on some BS if this is true!She's Russian with a slight accent, their language is less feminine sounding. Besides, her snatch is so damn perfect, hope you got to chance to see.
Gourmand56
09-26-24, 23:01
This message board is purely opinion based and I mentioned that I could have been tripping and the end game is to inform everyone here of my opinion. In my opinion non of these women you named look like a dude.Your comment was way more alarmist than just a stated opinion. "I could be tripping" wasn't anywhere in there. "Be warned" was though.
JamesBlack1852
09-28-24, 01:24
Your comment was way more alarmist than just a stated opinion. "I could be tripping" wasn't anywhere in there. "Be warned" was though.Was referring to the ter review.
RyanHarvey
09-28-24, 23:22
Saw Hannah today. She's rocking a blonde wig these days but it looks good on her. Started off with a short massage and then she offered up her menu. Decided to go for it all and splurge and it was amazing. She's super sexual and kept grabbing my hands and putting them where she wanted. During nursing she placed my hands on her vag and during doggie she wanted to spanked. She's the wild girlfriend we all wished we had in college. Treat her well.
BCommodore
09-30-24, 06:50
Hi all,
I saw someone listed DMVLatinaMassage as a PV spot and I was wondering if anyone has ever had any good, "Happy" experiences going to any of the providers? TIA.
My Updated Looks Tier as I've seen Ashley, Melanie (1st time in 5 yrs, 3rd visit all time) & Jade (1st time in 2 yrs, 2nd visit all time) last 30 or so days.
Combo of face & body, of course. It makes it easier to figure out if or when to see ladies that are unknown quantities if taste are similar amongst gentlemen.
Anyways, Jade looks made me change my tiers so she solo occupies my B-Tier and those that weren't A-Tier got knocked down. Jade looks better than when I saw her couple years back. She looks younger, tighter bodied, more vibrant voice, more relaxed, perkier boobs & shapelier ass. 1st time I saw Jade I think she had blue or purple lipstick w / matching eye shadow along with possibly colored streaks; but now she has a natural makeup look along with brown / blonde hair that has a more natural look all which I significantly prefer.
S).
A) Emily, Chanel, Eva, Ashley.
B) Jade.
C) Cassie, Sasha, Molly, Mila.
D) Melanie, Taylor, Amber.
BestNtheWorld
10-01-24, 15:11
Hi all,
I saw someone listed DMVLatinaMassage as a PV spot and I was wondering if anyone has ever had any good, "Happy" experiences going to any of the providers? TIA.From what I've seen people say about women on that site is that it can be hit and miss.
https://www.dmvlatinamassage.com/providers/layla/
I liked the look of layla and wanted to see for myself. Set up was easy. Asked for an hour and was told $ for 45 min massage. She gave me the address and I looked it up, which came back to a professional looking spa offering treatments catering mostly towards women. Confirmed it was the place with her so I was like, okay, whatever I'll go and check it out. The building is weird. A lot of little tiny office spaces with thin walls. Doors to each building mostly have dry erase boards outside the office suites with the name of whatever company is renting the space. This spa was across from smoke shop in the building.
I get in and meet Layla. She's kind of hot. Pretty face, slim petite body, definitely in shape. The massage itself was very professional. There was no teasing at all. No offering of extras. The closest I got to even trying to see if there was anything on the menu was her asking me if I have any requests and I tried my best to guage what that meant but went nowhere. The massage lasted a whole 30 minutes. She still asked me for a tip afterwards.
There were definitely some hot latinas in this spa but I don't know how much of a rapport you have to build by going back to get anywhere to leave happy.
PoonHunter101
10-01-24, 17:02
Saw Hannah today. She's rocking a blonde wig these days but it looks good on her. Started off with a short massage and then she offered up her menu. Decided to go for it all and splurge and it was amazing. She's super sexual and kept grabbing my hands and putting them where she wanted. During nursing she placed my hands on her vag and during doggie she wanted to spanked. She's the wild girlfriend we all wished we had in college. Treat her well.What's the donation for extra?
Thanks!
Gourmand56
10-01-24, 18:15
From what I've seen people say about women on that site is that it can be hit and miss.
https://www.dmvlatinamassage.com/providers/layla/
I liked the look of layla and wanted to see for myself. Set up was easy. Asked for an hour and was told $ for 45 min massage. She gave me the address and I looked it up, which came back to a professional looking spa offering treatments catering mostly towards women. Confirmed it was the place with her so I was like, okay, whatever I'll go and check it out. The building is weird. A lot of little tiny office spaces with thin walls. Doors to each building mostly have dry erase boards outside the office suites with the name of whatever company is renting the space. This spa was across from smoke shop in the building.
I get in and meet Layla. She's kind of hot. Pretty face, slim petite body, definitely in shape. The massage itself was very professional. There was no teasing at all. No offering of extras. The closest I got to even trying to see if there was anything on the menu was her asking me if I have any requests and I tried my best to guage what that meant but went nowhere. The massage lasted a whole 30 minutes. She still asked me for a tip afterwards.
There were definitely some hot latinas in this spa but I don't know how much of a rapport you have to build by going back to get anywhere to leave happy.Just curious, is your list an all time favorite list? Meaning does it include past and present masseuses, or all these girls active? I ask because I didn't see a lot of the names on the website.
CougarBear
10-03-24, 14:45
Anyone have a background on her? Pictures don't tell us much.
https://secrettemptation.com/page32.html
JustJohn007
10-03-24, 20:26
Anyone have a background on her? Pictures don't tell us much.
https://secrettemptation.com/page32.htmlShe is new to ST and visiting from out of town but should be around frequently from what she tells me.
Tall Columbian with perfect English, great conversational skills, and is definitely open minded. I kind of ended up seeing her accidentally but when she opened the door, I was more than happy to take a chance based on looks again. In my opinion, her best asset, her face, is not seen on those pictures.
Unlike some of my recent PV experiences at another local establishment, I never got the sense of extras were available with a certain, ridiculous price list. Nothing kills a session more for me than when the girls treat it as pure business. With Chelsea, I went with the flow had an amazing time, and tipped for much more than the standard PV experience at the end although YMMV.
She's a keeper. Treat her well--hope to see her again soon.
RyanHarvey
10-04-24, 13:16
For anyone that knows Meagan or has contact with her outside of the agencies be warned:
I got a message from her today on her social media that she is selling content again. They included a phone number to text so I started the conversations about buying more videos. They then began asking me about our time together at ST, including questions like "did we use a cover or not". Obviously red flags so I told her to call me so I can verify its her. Then I got her message that it was her BF and he tried to extort money from me or he threatened to go to the police. What about? I'm not sure since I never answered any of the intimate questions. He then sent me a screenshot of an OLD cashapp transaction I had with her, where again, the note was "for dog food". I blocked him and removed all her accounts from my phone.
I also gave ST a call to let them know what happened. It seems like he's targeting people she might have seen or sold extras to at ST. I advised them not to bring her back because its possible he might be following her and as he said "go to the cops".
So warning my mongers, don't fall for anything she contacts you about. FYI, I used a fake name with her the entire time, a throwaway Cashapp, and throwaway social media accounts. I also messaged them from a VOIP number.
AnonDemon69
10-04-24, 14:16
For anyone that knows Meagan or has contact with her outside of the agencies be warned:
I got a message from her today on her social media that she is selling content again. They included a phone number to text so I started the conversations about buying more videos. They then began asking me about our time together at ST, including questions like "did we use a cover or not". Obviously red flags so I told her to call me so I can verify its her. Then I got her message that it was her BF and he tried to extort money from me or he threatened to go to the police. What about? I'm not sure since I never answered any of the intimate questions. He then sent me a screenshot of an OLD cashapp transaction I had with her, where again, the note was "for dog food". I blocked him and removed all her accounts from my phone.
I also gave ST a call to let them know what happened. It seems like he's targeting people she might have seen or sold extras to at ST. I advised them not to bring her back because its possible he might be following her and as he said "go to the cops".
So warning my mongers, don't fall for anything she contacts you about. FYI, I used a fake name with her the entire time, a throwaway Cashapp, and throwaway social media accounts. I also messaged them from a VOIP number.And here I was keeping a look out when she would come back. Some times her ads on other websites pop up with different cities and asks for deposits, so he is definitely running the scam business. I wonder if she is in on it too or if he is just abusing her.
RyanHarvey
10-04-24, 15:05
And here I was keeping a look out when she would come back. Some times her ads on other websites pop up with different cities and asks for deposits, so he is definitely running the scam business. I wonder if she is in on it too or if he is just abusing her.What I thought was funny was he was threatening to go to the police and in the same message asking me to send him $10,000. Like okay buddy.
At this point even if she popped up at ST I wouldn't risk him not following her or even reporting ST. I remember a few months back she posted about a tracker being found on her car and it's all starting to make sense now.
What I thought was funny was he was threatening to go to the police and in the same message asking me to send him $10,000. Like okay buddy.
At this point even if she popped up at ST I wouldn't risk him not following her or even reporting ST. I remember a few months back she posted about a tracker being found on her car and it's all starting to make sense now.Damn, this definitely sounds abusive. She needs a restraining order and possibly a firearm.
She is new to ST and visiting from out of town but should be around frequently from what she tells me.
Tall Columbian with perfect English, great conversational skills, and is definitely open minded. I kind of ended up seeing her accidentally but when she opened the door, I was more than happy to take a chance based on looks again. In my opinion, her best asset, her face, is not seen on those pictures.
Unlike some of my recent PV experiences at another local establishment, I never got the sense of extras were available with a certain, ridiculous price list. Nothing kills a session more for me than when the girls treat it as pure business. With Chelsea, I went with the flow had an amazing time, and tipped for much more than the standard PV experience at the end although YMMV.
She's a keeper. Treat her well--hope to see her again soon.Thanks for TOFTT, Much appreciated. Many of us are slow to move when stats seem undercut, when certain pics types and when poses cover some stuff up, and / or when pics look it was taken outside of said agency.
I get that. I feel like I'm sacrificing because my S-Tier is blank, LOL. Only one S-Tier gal I have ran across at ST and that was Alice, don't know if you remember her. Columbian with a face that makes Eva and Emily look like average girls, plus Alice essentially had a perfect natural body. She didn't show up consistently as many weeks her pic said on vacation. Saw her probably 3 times total.However, The girl I'm torn between S tier or A tier was Amanda (All natural) in her absolute prime during her first tour though still fire the second go around right before pandemic. A-tier is not a knock, it just leans more cute and approachable in my mind without tripping over oneself, LOL.
JustJohn007
10-06-24, 11:14
Thanks for TOFTT, Much appreciated. Many of us are slow to move when stats seem undercut, when certain pics types and when poses cover some stuff up, and / or when pics look it was taken outside of said agency.No problem. Definitely understand reluctance. Not a tight body but attitude and service more than make up for it in my book.
Download X
10-06-24, 20:13
I got a message from her today on her social media that she is selling content again. They included a phone number to text so I started the conversations about buying more videos. They then began asking me about our time together at ST, including questions like "did we use a cover or not". Obviously red flags so I told her to call me so I can verify its her. Then I got her message that it was her BF and he tried to extort money from me or he threatened to go to the police. What about? I'm not sure since I never answered any of the intimate questions. He then sent me a screenshot of an OLD cashapp transaction I had with her, where again, the note was "for dog food". I blocked him and removed all her accounts from my phone.It is extortion to threaten to call the police unless money is paid. It is always allowed to call the police by itself. Demanding money "or else" is a felony. Prostitution otoh is only a Class 1 misdemeanor in Virginia. So quite hilarious that he has already committed a serious crime with the threat. Over dog food. This is why you use lawyers.
It's unknown if the girl is a victim or willing accomplice, but her stuff is compromised by him since he has access to it.
This is exactly the kind of risks involved with independents, particular those with boyfriends / dumb pimps.
RyanHarvey
10-06-24, 20:46
It is extortion to threaten to call the police unless money is paid. It is always allowed to call the police by itself. Demanding money "or else" is a felony. Prostitution otoh is only a Class 1 misdemeanor in Virginia. So quite hilarious that he has already committed a serious crime with the threat. Over dog food. This is why you use lawyers.
It's unknown if the girl is a victim or willing accomplice, but her stuff is compromised by him since he has access to it.
This is exactly the kind of risks involved with independents, particular those with boyfriends / dumb pimps.Dude isn't bright at all. He shacked up with a girl that's been doing PV since the early 2010's and gets made when she sees clients. When he was texting me and pretending to to be her he asked "did we wear a cover, I forgot". As if he had set a rule that she had to always wear condoms with the guys she saw. The whole thing is crazy and I'm just sad because she was the best I've ever had. Her pussy is just a memory to me now 😂.
BuckyLarsonJr
10-07-24, 09:38
I'm interested in Bria at Velvet Room. There's something about that sexy big girl vibe with long blonde hair that is working for me.
I find myself checking out her pics a lot.
Has anyone seen her? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
https://www.velvetroom.fun/bria
I've only seen Elena there, and found her to be just like her pics. Sexy figure, nice face. I liked my time with her very much, but haven't repeated.
Thanks in advance for any info about Bria.I did see Bria thinking along the same lines. Trying to be open minded and respectful, I will say "to each his own" and everything here is subjective and opinion. I think it is safe to say that most photos are either not the person or are taken in the most flattering way possible. Bria could be the person in the photo, but with a really good photographer. I was disappointed, personally. Not the seductive or elegant buxom woman you imagine in the photo, more of the large girl that doesn't take care of herself. Menu very open, but didn't vibe at all. She was a little to quick to talk about her personal life and include that she was willing to make outside arrangements. Not a repeat for me, but if you are into large and willing white girls, she's it.
Dude isn't bright at all. He shacked up with a girl that's been doing PV since the early 2010's and gets made when she sees clients. When he was texting me and pretending to to be her he asked "did we wear a cover, I forgot". As if he had set a rule that she had to always wear condoms with the guys she saw. The whole thing is crazy and I'm just sad because she was the best I've ever had. Her pussy is just a memory to me now 😂.Wow, this is some crazy shit!
MichaelG312
10-07-24, 16:23
Wow, this is some crazy shit!I never got the chance to see her. My availability didn't seem to work out whenever she was available.
MichaelG312
10-07-24, 18:57
New girl Camila at VR / DT.
https://www.velvetroom.fun/camila
I never got the chance to see her. My availability didn't seem to work out whenever she was available.Her best days are long past her, she was PYT back 10 years or so, she's had a c-section, messed with cranky bfs, did the body work thing et al, neve saw her after that, but had the good fortune to fck her raw back in days and get nice BJs, she was amazing at that.
MichaelG312
10-08-24, 12:09
Her best days are long past her, she was PYT back 10 years or so, she's had a c-section, messed with cranky bfs, did the body work thing et al, neve saw her after that, but had the good fortune to fck her raw back in days and get nice BJs, she was amazing at that.Dam, Sounds like I definitely missed out on an amazing time with her.
What girl these days do you think compares or comes close to that type of time & experience like hers?
4) Though I feel like 200 for everything would be possible near the end of her time to extract the most dollars from her visit.
5) However, I feel Mariana is more in her element doing extras as opposed to a private view routine.I'll applaud myself for this call. Someone posted on TER Mariana was down to 200 for everything and is only into extras at a fee with minimal private view routine, LOL. Extras for many ladies is a crutch and a way to extract extra money, when it's supposed to be routine is so hot with the body slide, lapdance, grinding etc that a guy needs it for said fees unless the lady includes it or likes ya enough that the dough from repeats outweigh the extras fees of a possible 1 or 2 time encounter with extras fees.
Gourmand56
10-08-24, 20:19
I'll applaud myself for this call. Someone posted on TER Mariana was down to 200 for everything and is only into extras at a fee with minimal private view routine, LOL. Extras for many ladies is a crutch and a way to extract extra money, when it's supposed to be routine is so hot with the body slide, lapdance, grinding etc that a guy needs it for said fees unless the lady includes it or likes ya enough that the dough from repeats outweigh the extras fees of a possible 1 or 2 time encounter with extras fees.Bro can you check your punctuation? That was really hard to follow.
Bro can you check your punctuation? That was really hard to follow.Sure. A TER review confirmed the call that I made on Mariana's pricing and her being extras driven. Mariana was / is down to charging 200 for everything and is not interested in a private view routine.
I feel that extras for many ladies is a crutch and a way to extract extra money. In my estimation it's supposed to be that a lady's private routine is so hot with the body slide, lapdance, grinding etc. that a guy needs extras.
Now some ladies include extras, YMMV. And in such cases the money from anticipated multiple visits (& a token tip) outweighs the money charging for extras from a possible 1 or 2 time max encounter.
My bad, I got caught in a stream of consciousness. Hope the rewrite helps.
Dam, Sounds like I definitely missed out on an amazing time with her.
What girl these days do you think compares or comes close to that type of time & experience like hers?Sadly, no one. These are rare gems you find in the rough, but you won't know it until you lose it. Now in PV scenes and elsewhere is not easy, you never know though when a rare find shows up. There was a girl at ST few months back who was young and willing, but saw her only once and then she was gone.
Bro can you check your punctuation? That was really hard to follow.He was basically saying that Mariana is primarily an escort, Not a private viewing companion. A good private viewing companion will make it worth your while for the base level service, with no expectation of a tip or "extras. " The tip is your repeat business. Her standard service is hot enough to entice you into wanting more in the hopes that she might do something "extra". But there's no entitlement.
Mariana is a visiting provider who was likely told that she could make some quick money here, so she came looking to make the most money she can in as short a period of time as she can, who is Only looking for clients who want extras, so if you go to her for a private viewing you will get a lackluster, annoyed, uninspired performance.
There's a dramatic difference between providers like her, and locals who want to build up regular clientele.
Gourmand56
10-09-24, 14:45
Sure. A TER review confirmed the call that I made on Mariana's pricing and her being extras driven. Mariana was / is down to charging 200 for everything and is not interested in a private view routine.
I feel that extras for many ladies is a crutch and a way to extract extra money. In my estimation it's supposed to be that a lady's private routine is so hot with the body slide, lapdance, grinding etc. that a guy needs extras.
Now some ladies include extras, YMMV. And in such cases the money from anticipated multiple visits (& a token tip) outweighs the money charging for extras from a possible 1 or 2 time max encounter.
My bad, I got caught in a stream of consciousness. Hope the rewrite helps.Very cool. Thanks for taking the time to follow up and break it down.
RyanHarvey
10-09-24, 23:12
New girl named Dana at ST. Actually is she new? Her photos are very professional and fit the ST style so I wonder if she's an oldie that's back. There's only one "real" photo of her that's not touched up and it shows a birth mark on her collar bone. Wondering if anyone has seen her, maybe elsewhere?
New girl named Dana at ST. Actually is she new? Her photos are very professional and fit the ST style so I wonder if she's an oldie that's back. There's only one "real" photo of her that's not touched up and it shows a birth mark on her collar bone. Wondering if anyone has seen her, maybe elsewhere?TOFTT after getting curious. Early 20's Latina with nice bod and pretty face. She's visiting, and may come back again later time. I was happy when she opened door to see a young and good looking girl, better than expected, which isn't always the case. We got along well pretty quickly, which I think is part of her personality, and partially she's done this type of thing elsewhere so she know how to treat people to get upsells and repeats without making it look like that. But make no mistake, she's not into you just too good to make you feel that way. I didn't mind because she was giving the right attitude. Extras are available for reasonable ask on par with other ladies at ST. Overall, happy. YMMV. I don't repeat usually unless I find someone exceptional to keep going back over and over, so not sure on that.
RyanHarvey
10-10-24, 11:18
TOFTT after getting curious. Early 20's Latina with nice bod and pretty face. She's visiting, and may come back again later time. I was happy when she opened door to see a young and good looking girl, better than expected, which isn't always the case. We got along well pretty quickly, which I think is part of her personality, and partially she's done this type of thing elsewhere so she know how to treat people to get upsells and repeats without making it look like that. But make no mistake, she's not into you just too good to make you feel that way. I didn't mind because she was giving the right attitude. Extras are available for reasonable ask on par with other ladies at ST. Overall, happy. YMMV. I don't repeat usually unless I find someone exceptional to keep going back over and over, so not sure on that.Thanks for TOFTT. How was her English?
Thanks for TOFTT. How was her English?Perfect English.
New girl named Dana at ST. Actually is she new? Her photos are very professional and fit the ST style so I wonder if she's an oldie that's back. There's only one "real" photo of her that's not touched up and it shows a birth mark on her collar bone. Wondering if anyone has seen her, maybe elsewhere?Can you provide ST's website?
CougarBear
10-10-24, 17:26
She is new to ST and visiting from out of town but should be around frequently from what she tells me.
Tall Columbian with perfect English, great conversational skills, and is definitely open minded. I kind of ended up seeing her accidentally but when she opened the door, I was more than happy to take a chance based on looks again. In my opinion, her best asset, her face, is not seen on those pictures.
Unlike some of my recent PV experiences at another local establishment, I never got the sense of extras were available with a certain, ridiculous price list. Nothing kills a session more for me than when the girls treat it as pure business. With Chelsea, I went with the flow had an amazing time, and tipped for much more than the standard PV experience at the end although YMMV.
She's a keeper. Treat her well--hope to see her again soon.Had a chance to see Chelsea and couldn't agree more. Very pretty lady and an amazing experience. Like Cassie she is a tall one which I really like. Like you said she is from out of town and will likely come and go from the location. Only difference is she told me she was Cuban instead of Columbia but perfect English and great conversation. Absolutely exuded sexuality from the second I walked in the door. Agree with John that she has a great face but her ass wins best asset to me. Can't wait to see her again. Initial price for extra's was a little higher than I was used to at ST but she reduced to a more normal number pretty quickly.
CougarBear
10-10-24, 18:05
Can you provide ST's website?https://secrettemptation.com/
Was bored one of the days and decided to take a chance at VR despite recent poor reports on girls there. Saw pictures of new girl Camila looked attractive. Went in and when she opened door was very pleasantly surprised to see a hot blonde petite girl with a very pretty face and nice T&A on her small frame. I thought this could be a good decision, but the fun ended there, rest of it is very forgettable downright bad experience. She had a very aloof and pro attitude from beginning, she's from Colombia, visiting, and speaks very little English. She can't understand anything beyond basic words. Took donation and asked me to get comfortable. I thought fine, if language is a problem may be she has nice attitude. When she came back she motioned me to lie down for a rub, then started an uninterested rub down, still fully clothed in her one piece dress, panty underneath it.
In between I tried to talk to her, but she said no English. She asked me "full service?" to which I said I'd like that but wanted to see her relaxing up, not go through it mechanically, but no such thing, she kept at it. Then on the flip she started playing with junior who was excited because she's pretty, by then she removed her top. I was able to caress her boobs, man made but vey nicely done. She was still staying at arms length, allowed roaming on her her bubble butt but made a face at me saying no squeeze, showing hand motion. I wasn't even pressing hard, but a little more than a caress that's all. When I tried to run finger over her kitty over her panties she slapped my hand lightly and made a face. Then she asked "full service?" again. At this time I wasn't going to shell out more for what I knew will be very mechanical and fake performance. She kept the HJ on and I was trying to make the most out of it, so tried to fondle her T&A, then she said rudely to me "MONEY", so I asked her what she wants, she said 150, I said that's a lot not knowing what she's going to give. Then she got angrier and started jerking rude, she tried to hide it by making fake sexy faces, but I was totally pissed, lost the wood too. Told her to stop, she looked at me quizzingly, like what, her lack of interest and rude jerking was not what I was there for. Why would I want to be treated like that.
Got up and cleaned up, told her she's not doing well, then she said MONEY again and said in broken English the entry fee is only for massage. I got dressed and motioned her to send me out. I had only used half of the time booked and got nothing. She just walked me off without any expression. Totally bad experience. I knew VR had gone down hill, and this is just more confirmation to avoid this place.
Seems LinkedIn and driver's license request are standard for verification. I tried to get verified w VR, but stopped after they asked for that nonsense; cannot believe guys give that type of info out freely. What's next SSN and fingerprints LOL.
Curious if anybody has ever tried Charming Cherries? I keep seeing ads pop but but I've been more of a BG / VR person in the past.
Pornstar2022
10-14-24, 13:12
For Bria what are rates for extras?
For Bria what are rates for extras?Ask her. You might get dramatically different rates. There are no set rules for things like this. $$ is always a safe bet to have in additional funds in most cases.
RyanHarvey
10-14-24, 22:44
Curious if anybody has ever tried Charming Cherries? I keep seeing ads pop but but I've been more of a BG / VR person in the past.Never heard of them. A quick Google tells me it's a stripper service?
JamesBlack1852
10-14-24, 23:17
For Bria what are rates for extras?$200 full menu opens up.
Who else have you seen at DR?
I saw Dana this week, She is visiting from Cali. She will be available this month and will also be back in December. Cute girl that I would put in my B-Tier along with Jade. Face wise I say Jade is better than Dana, but Dana has nicer boobs than Jade. However, Jade has a more shapely ass than Dana. But, I will say Dana has nicer boobs than Eva (in my A-Tier) by a slight margin.
Dana is a Chill girl, but is looking for the upsell. Clothes will not come off at the house fee (not going to let guys cheat her, LOL, okay) but she will kinda rub and grind on you clothed. In terms of getting a proper private view experience, I would avoid.
She said FS would be 150 if I stayed the hour. But I'm not really into upsell, I just let stuff flow and see what's included. Not a repeat for me, but I'm sure her extras rate would be great for those that normally go that route as she seems to prefer being an escort even if she wasn't visiting.
RyanHarvey
10-17-24, 11:00
I saw Dana this week, She is visiting from Cali. She will be available this month and will also be back in December. Cute girl that I would put in my B-Tier along with Jade. Face wise I say Jade is better than Dana, but Dana has nicer boobs than Jade. However, Jade has a more shapely ass than Dana. But, I will say Dana has nicer boobs than Eva (in my A-Tier) by a slight margin.
Dana is a Chill girl, but is looking for the upsell. Clothes will not come off at the house fee (not going to let guys cheat her, LOL, okay) but she will kinda rub and grind on you clothed. In terms of getting a proper private view experience, I would avoid.
She said FS would be 150 if I stayed the hour. But I'm not really into upsell, I just let stuff flow and see what's included. Not a repeat for me, but I'm sure her extras rate would be great for those that normally go that route as she seems to prefer being an escort even if she wasn't visiting.$150 for FS upsell is actually pretty decent in my book. Have you ever done FS with Eva? She's next on my list to see.
I saw Dana this week, She is visiting from Cali. She will be available this month and will also be back in December. Cute girl that I would put in my B-Tier along with Jade. Face wise I say Jade is better than Dana, but Dana has nicer boobs than Jade. However, Jade has a more shapely ass than Dana. But, I will say Dana has nicer boobs than Eva (in my A-Tier) by a slight margin.
Dana is a Chill girl, but is looking for the upsell. Clothes will not come off at the house fee (not going to let guys cheat her, LOL, okay) but she will kinda rub and grind on you clothed. In terms of getting a proper private view experience, I would avoid.
She said FS would be 150 if I stayed the hour. But I'm not really into upsell, I just let stuff flow and see what's included. Not a repeat for me, but I'm sure her extras rate would be great for those that normally go that route as she seems to prefer being an escort even if she wasn't visiting.Thanks for this. I think that I'm going to generally try to avoid all of the visiting PV girls regardless of "agency". They all come with the same misguided mindset that the base PV rate just gets you in their presence, and that anything enjoyable is going to come after an upsell and upfront tips.
Vs a more organic experience where you vibe and see where it goes.
MichaelG312
10-17-24, 12:19
$150 for FS upsell is actually pretty decent in my book. Have you ever done FS with Eva? She's next on my list to see.That is very decent for FS. Eva & Stephanie are my next if anyone can tell me about experiences with either one?
Thanks for this. I think that I'm going to generally try to avoid all of the visiting PV girls regardless of "agency". They all come with the same misguided mindset that the base PV rate just gets you in their presence, and that anything enjoyable is going to come after an upsell and upfront tips.
Vs a more organic experience where you vibe and see where it goes.I reported on her earlier, and while she did upsell eventually, before that we did got along well from the get go, it was like meeting known GF, she was very accommodating, getting fully nude, full body access, cuddling, touch p, light daty on outside etc. Then she asked for upsell full FS, at that point it was getting hot and heavy, and her ask for me was less, only 100. I think it was a YMMV. We got to turn each other on, happens with some girls and then with others I get total cold response.
I reported on her earlier, and while she did upsell eventually, before that we did got along well from the get go, it was like meeting known GF, she was very accommodating, getting fully nude, full body access, cuddling, touch p, light daty on outside etc. Then she asked for upsell full FS, at that point it was getting hot and heavy, and her ask for me was less, only 100. I think it was a YMMV. We got to turn each other on, happens with some girls and then with others I get total cold response.Well, that's a more positive sign for others. Now we need a third account as maybe it was just a me thing and it's no need for hesitation in this case.
For me, I feel girls usually get cold over time if they are going to get cold. Courtney / Kourtney at ST got so cold over time at some point she acted like she never saw me by my 8th visit at a rate of seeing her about every couple of months over about a years time. She just laid in bed facing away and barely giving me a HJ and pretty much only allowed to occasionally dry hump essentially her knees, ha.
Fast forward Courtney comes back a couple years later when it was reported on here bottoms stay on for her first timers and things being bland. However, she magically knew me again and was all smiles and happy to see me, kinda odd. It was everything off, did some DATO, thumb in her butt, nice P2P. The difference was she gained quite a bit of weight, which I liked as it was mostly thighs / ass as she asked me about her appearance several times during the session (a little odd) and if she still looked the same. I said lots of guys must be happy you're back, I was surprised I could get an appointment. And then Courtney said clients slowed down after initial rush first couple months back, LOL.
A few days after my post on this forum saying I'd repeat, I said to myself: Oh, so now I'm wanted as a client when Courtney pruned me out a couple years prior for her ideal base that didn't appreciate this new thickness. I changed my mind, I didn't see Courtney again and she eventually left ST in a couple months.
Have you ever done FS with Eva? She's next on my list to see.No.
Only seen Eva 3 x (2 x end of 2023 and once this July) as schedules never really aligned, so I'm not familiar enough to offer much insight. I just know DATY was allowed and encouraged as part of basic sessions.
DickLongwood
10-18-24, 18:31
https://bluegems.com/the-ladies/nggallery/album/marilyn
I'll definitely try to see her if her schedule opens up this week or next.
There's also a "Mia" but she doesn't have pics up.I saw Marilyn at BG recently. She has some plusses and minuses. Plusses: She's pleasant and friendly, has a nice looking body, uses her hands well for massage and HJ, and selectively offers FS for 200 additional, if she likes you and you have test results and protection. Minuses: No kissing or oral in either direction. Fairly strong accent--says she is from Central America, but looks and sounds Eastern European.
GM Gents, I've found that the few PV sessions with a lady that allows / enjoys DATY have been equally enjoyable for me as well. From BG, Anna, Sophie and formerly Alexandria were all tons of fun that led to extras from some like BBBJCIM or even FS from another (no, I won't say who gave what. YMMV).
At ST, Sasha was the only one I've tasted and she was tons of fun too.
Do you gents have recommendations for DATY with the PV ladies? Any support will be greatly appreciated.
Kid.
CougarBear
10-22-24, 17:54
Title says it all, last time she wasn't around long.
https://secrettemptation.com/page40.html
BlurryVision28
10-23-24, 13:01
Pics look like a new Hannah, is it the same one who was there before (light skin mix).
RyanHarvey
10-23-24, 15:33
Pics look like a new Hannah, is it the same one who was there before (light skin mix).Same Hannah. She's rocking the blonde now and told me she was updating her pics.
MountainLover
10-23-24, 16:52
Hello all,
I am traveling up to NoVa and was doing some research on the area as I will have a chance to indulge myself while there. While researching (I was looking to see if there were any agencies forums), I saw the Private Viewing Forum. I still am unsure as to what it is. The best I am coming up with is that you are paying for private time with the person of your choice and what comes out of that time varies? In a way I am thinking of Cuddle Comfort, but with better odds. I had seen a price of $200 at one of the locations (VR, ST and SE are the ones I have seen so far) - is that just for entrance and 1 hours time? What comes next. I mean, is she performing for you (solo), are you getting anything? At least at a MP you are getting some sort of massage (quality varies), but as I said, I am unsure as to what you get for the $200 or is that all in?
I would love to get a little primer here. I did very much like the fact that you have a selection to choose from as many agencies seem to only have a few girls). My experience in LA and NY lead me to have many expectations, which I am not often finding here locally (RVA). I do hope NoVa can offer a bit more excitement.
Hello all,
I am traveling up to NoVa and was doing some research on the area as I will have a chance to indulge myself while there. While researching (I was looking to see if there were any agencies forums), I saw the Private Viewing Forum. I still am unsure as to what it is. The best I am coming up with is that you are paying for private time with the person of your choice and what comes out of that time varies? In a way I am thinking of Cuddle Comfort, but with better odds. I had seen a price of $200 at one of the locations (VR, ST and SE are the ones I have seen so far) - is that just for entrance and 1 hours time? What comes next. I mean, is she performing for you (solo), are you getting anything? At least at a MP you are getting some sort of massage (quality varies), but as I said, I am unsure as to what you get for the $200 or is that all in?
I would love to get a little primer here. I did very much like the fact that you have a selection to choose from as many agencies seem to only have a few girls). My experience in LA and NY lead me to have many expectations, which I am not often finding here locally (RVA). I do hope NoVa can offer a bit more excitement.All that you can reliably bank on, is a bodyrub and a handjob. Beyond that, everything could be on the table depending on what you look like, your chemistry with the girl in question, and how much you are willing to spend, and whether or not she's open to more than that on a whole. The rub is that you won't know any of this going in the first time. Even if you search a given girl, and get an idea of what she is open to, she might not be open to that with YOU.
Or she might not be open to that with you the first time, and she might get more comfortable on subsequent visits.
As a wise fellow monger once said:
If you are going to be butt hurt if you walk away having received nothing more than a mediocre massage and a manual release, do yourself, and the girls who work at these agencies a favor and find a FS escort whose willing to indulge a massage fantasy. That will be way less frustrating than trying to find the unicorn PV gal who will offer escort services.
JustJohn007
10-23-24, 19:33
Hello all,
I am traveling up to NoVa and was doing some research on the area as I will have a chance to indulge myself while there. While researching (I was looking to see if there were any agencies forums), I saw the Private Viewing Forum. I still am unsure as to what it is. The best I am coming up with is that you are paying for private time with the person of your choice and what comes out of that time varies? In a way I am thinking of Cuddle Comfort, but with better odds. I had seen a price of $200 at one of the locations (VR, ST and SE are the ones I have seen so far) - is that just for entrance and 1 hours time? What comes next. I mean, is she performing for you (solo), are you getting anything? At least at a MP you are getting some sort of massage (quality varies), but as I said, I am unsure as to what you get for the $200 or is that all in?
I would love to get a little primer here. I did very much like the fact that you have a selection to choose from as many agencies seem to only have a few girls). My experience in LA and NY lead me to have many expectations, which I am not often finding here locally (RVA). I do hope NoVa can offer a bit more excitement.PV seems to be something local to this area as far as I can tell. It's your ultimate YMMV experience depending on chemistry, agency, game, tips or some combo.
I would look it like house fee is similar to payment to go back to the private booth of a strip club. What happens in the room is between the two of you. Minimal will be hand job but BJ, FS, DATY definitely on the menu many times. Unlike FS agencies, the girls can sometimes be non-pros and PTY just making a little extrra money although seems like those girls are not as common these days (the memories of those visits always bring a smile to my face).
Happy hunting.
BlurryVision28
10-26-24, 03:13
New girl Rose at ST looks very promising. Does it look like a prior girl to anyone? Lookin pretty new to me.
GM Gents, I've found that the few PV sessions with a lady that allows / enjoys DATY have been equally enjoyable for me as well. From BG, Anna, Sophie and formerly Alexandria were all tons of fun that led to extras from some like BBBJCIM or even FS from another (no, I won't say who gave what. YMMV).
At ST, Sasha was the only one I've tasted and she was tons of fun too.
Do you gents have recommendations for DATY with the PV ladies? Any support will be greatly appreciated.
Kid.LOL, BG and VR have reviews on TER, not much you could add anyways. ST only allowed TER reviews at various slow points in the 2010's and I guess in the 2000's, so that's more informative these days.
Yeah, Sasha is a horn dog, LOL. Only seen her a couple times. Just rubbing hands on her situation a couple minutes is significant water works, she be in heat with a slight sweat & flush. You'd could drown with too much DATY, it's a reason she has a couple towels rolled up on the bed, ha. Wish more ladies had that type of libido. She must drink lots of water in between sessions not to be dehydrated, LOL.
DATY could / can be YMMV. I mentioned Eva already. You could try your hand with Ashley at ST as well, plus stick a finger any hole if ya want and the same could be said for Cassie at ST.
RyanHarvey
11-07-24, 00:54
Does anyone, like me, book PV girls outside the agency? I prefer to see the girls in the comfort of a hotel vs the agency and if we hit it off I'll exchange contact info. In the past I've done this with Maria from BG (pornstar Mila Marie) who is now retired, Leah / Maegan from ST, and a few other girls. Anyone know any other girls from ST / BG / wherever that do private bookings? Feel free to DM me if you don't feel comfortable revealing here.
Does anyone, like me, book PV girls outside the agency? I prefer to see the girls in the comfort of a hotel vs the agency and if we hit it off I'll exchange contact info. In the past I've done this with Maria from BG (pornstar Mila Marie) who is now retired, Leah / Maegan from ST, and a few other girls. Anyone know any other girls from ST / BG / wherever that do private bookings? Feel free to DM me if you don't feel comfortable revealing here.I have in the past done it with one of the names you mentioned, although that was when she was already planning to go Indy and it just may have suited her getting feet wet. I have tried it with a select few girls, offering them same as a sugar date, say 5 to meet outside, and some expressed interest, exchanged numbers, messages and even planned a meet, although mostly did not materialize.
Why? I asked myself what's the upside for them, a PV girl that is popular is fully booked for the day almost any day she is at the work place. She works an average 6 hours, then what's her daily take away including tips, especially she's charging extras, think of Brooke / Aurora who was charging 200 on top of house for everything, she makes on average 300 an hour, that ends up being 1. 5 a day she works there. Why should she then see you outside, spent time traveling to / from, spent couple of hours, and then make say 4 or 5 you're willing to offer. She gets to work one day or 2 days a week, let someone manage everything for her, and takes away good money. She then gets on with her life rest of the day.
I don't know. Is there a different take.
RyanHarvey
11-07-24, 12:52
I have in the past done it with one of the names you mentioned, although that was when she was already planning to go Indy and it just may have suited her getting feet wet. I have tried it with a select few girls, offering them same as a sugar date, say 5 to meet outside, and some expressed interest, exchanged numbers, messages and even planned a meet, although mostly did not materialize.
Why? I asked myself what's the upside for them, a PV girl that is popular is fully booked for the day almost any day she is at the work place. She works an average 6 hours, then what's her daily take away including tips, especially she's charging extras, think of Brooke / Aurora who was charging 200 on top of house for everything, she makes on average 300 an hour, that ends up being 1. 5 a day she works there. Why should she then see you outside, spent time traveling to / from, spent couple of hours, and then make say 4 or 5 you're willing to offer. She gets to work one day or 2 days a week, let someone manage everything for her, and takes away good money. She then gets on with her life rest of the day.
I don't know. Is there a different take.I think the upside for the girls, at least Maegan when we talked was she gets to pick the guys. With ST or any PV you kinda take what you get. When she went Indy she got to screen guys and see her favorites over and over again. A girl like Brooke could do the same and just pack the day with guys she knows are going to pay big money and not be a dick to her but as you said, she would have to manage the appointments herself.
Hey fellas, I've been on a run of mediocre at best sessions lately. But I have a few things to celebrate this weekend so I figured I'd try out Sophie at BG. This broke my mediocre streak, Sophie was probably the best PV experience I've ever had. She is a classic Asian beauty, prettier than her photos. And her body is naturally perfect IMO. But her best asset is probably her personality, she is so bubbly and fun it removes all awkwardness and felt like a true connection. Sophie is a great time, I highly recommend.
BallerTbakflsl
11-12-24, 12:24
Anyone recognize the new girls at DT?
JustJohn007
11-15-24, 11:48
Anyone recognize the new girls at DT?I'm curious as well. Got rid of my membership at the other board as I didn't think it was that helpful although I know some of the DT is reviewed there.
It looks like Briana is no longer on the BG site. That is a huge loss. Had a great time with her. Hope it is a short absence. She will be missed.
I saw Dana this week, She is visiting from Cali. She will be available this month and will also be back in December. Cute girl that I would put in my B-Tier along with Jade. Face wise I say Jade is better than Dana, but Dana has nicer boobs than Jade. However, Jade has a more shapely ass than Dana. But, I will say Dana has nicer boobs than Eva (in my A-Tier) by a slight margin.
Dana is a Chill girl, but is looking for the upsell. Clothes will not come off at the house fee (not going to let guys cheat her, LOL, okay) but she will kinda rub and grind on you clothed. In terms of getting a proper private view experience, I would avoid.
She said FS would be 150 if I stayed the hour. But I'm not really into upsell, I just let stuff flow and see what's included. Not a repeat for me, but I'm sure her extras rate would be great for those that normally go that route as she seems to prefer being an escort even if she wasn't visiting.Is Dana formally known as Amelia Zeal? Formally known as ST Meagan?
Is Dana formally known as Amelia Zeal? Formally known as ST Meagan?No. Dana is a light brown Latina (I think) with natural boobs from.
Cali.
I think the upside for the girls, at least Maegan when we talked was she gets to pick the guys. With ST or any PV you kinda take what you get. When she went Indy she got to screen guys and see her favorites over and over again. A girl like Brooke could do the same and just pack the day with guys she knows are going to pay big money and not be a dick to her but as you said, she would have to manage the appointments herself.Unless a girl has a roster of favorites, think 25 weekly clients (think 5 a day x 5 days), I think there is zero upside. Outside of the PV, they have to rent a room in a decent area, screen, clean, do laundry, provide security, etc. That's enough to not deal with it. So even if up to half of the timed fee goes to the house as the cost of doing business and the rest goes to them, PV makes sense for 99% of scenarios.
Is Dana formally known as Amelia Zeal? Formally known as ST Meagan?I don't believe so.
Is Dana formally known as Amelia Zeal? Formally known as ST Meagan?No it is not. And going there with even a fraction of those expectations for Dana will be a disappointing experience.
RyanHarvey
11-19-24, 16:33
Is Dana formally known as Amelia Zeal? Formally known as ST Meagan?Nope, pictures don't match. If you check my history you can see Amelia Zeal might be retired as her boyfriend has taken over.
RyanHarvey
11-19-24, 21:32
Apparently they have a Snapchat now. I got added by an account called sapphireblugemz and thought wait, this can't be them. I added it back and lo and behold, their story is pictures of the girl, including a new girl coming Friday. I had to remove them because my son and wife use my account but for anyone single feel free to add them.
RyanHarvey
11-20-24, 19:19
Saw Taylor. She's older and not as attractive as the other talent. I couldn't get into it so left it as a vanilla HJ. ST seems to be all over the place with the ages of the girls they bring in. Anyways, she was a sweetheart but I won't repeat.
RyanHarvey
11-20-24, 19:20
If anyone remembers Maria from BG aka the full blown pornstar Mila Marie, she's knocked up and has left the business. Someone I know who follows her on Facebook showed me pictures from the baby shower so yeah. Another one bites the dust.
I don't believe so.
No. Dana is a light brown Latina (I think) with natural boobs from.
Cali.
No it is not. And going there with even a fraction of those expectations for Dana will be a disappointing experience.
Nope, pictures don't match. If you check my history you can see Amelia Zeal might be retired as her boyfriend has taken over.Appreciate it gentlemen.
DickLongwood
11-21-24, 13:59
If anyone remembers Maria from BG aka the full blown pornstar Mila Marie, she's knocked up and has left the business. Someone I know who follows her on Facebook showed me pictures from the baby shower so yeah. Another one bites the dust.Yeah. A friend saw her earlier this year when she was pregnant but didn't look it. She hasn't worked at BG for a while.
JohnsonTouch
11-21-24, 23:23
I had a dream that I was greeted at the door by a pretty, light-skinned Honduran girl. Her face sort of reminded me of a young Rosie Perez (the actress) at her prettiest. Jade had a fairly fit body with soft natural Bs, maybe Cs, and a nice big ass. I eventually discovered that she was rocking a cute, low-lying curly Bush. Activities-wise, Jade can simulate "FS" with her lubed hands in various positions. I'd never experienced anything like that before. There were many moments when I thought that I was actually in. No kissing at all throughout my time with her. Notably, she gently blocked FIV when I attempted. However, she offered real CFS for $$ tip, which felt great in the standard positions. YMMV as always, but I would probably repeat in a pinch.
If anyone remembers Maria from BG aka the full blown pornstar Mila Marie, she's knocked up and has left the business. Someone I know who follows her on Facebook showed me pictures from the baby shower so yeah. Another one bites the dust.She might come back. The fast easy money when you have no other way to make that money has a level of allure for a long time. Especially once you "need" extra cash.
RyanHarvey
11-22-24, 00:00
Yeah. A friend saw her earlier this year when she was pregnant but didn't look it. She hasn't worked at BG for a while.Just curious, did your friend see her outside of BG? She used to tell me we could meet up but I'd have to drive down to Stafford to do so. Never wanted to make that drive.
Never seen ST wilfully closed for that long, usually just Thanksgiving and sometimes Black Friday this time of the year. Ladies must not be happy because many need to make rent end of month and many want money for Black Friday. Plus ladies have come into town over the years around this time of year.
Also, holidays are just better availability for ladies in school (though I'm not sure ST runs sketchy ads in community college news papers looking for talent as many adult entertainment organizations used to do) even though it seems the typical 18-25 year old college co-ed is not available at private view agencies in general these days.
DickLongwood
11-22-24, 09:39
Just curious, did your friend see her outside of BG? She used to tell me we could meet up but I'd have to drive down to Stafford to do so. Never wanted to make that drive.He saw her at BG.
DickLongwood
11-22-24, 09:41
I think Violet is new. Has anyone seen her? Her pics look good to me.
https://bluegems.com/the-ladies/violet-2/
I think Violet is new. Has anyone seen her? Her pics look good to me.
https://bluegems.com/the-ladies/violet-2/BG won't reuse or change names, unless it is a new trend. There was a Violet in past, she became Luna at DT, put on a lot of weight, some folks liked her I guess as she had quite a following then. But she must be much older and heavier now. I recall she was rather thin and young when she was at BG first many years back. If this is same Luna of DT, and then at ST too, not interesting.
BG won't reuse or change names, unless it is a new trend. There was a Violet in past, she became Luna at DT, put on a lot of weight, some folks liked her I guess as she had quite a following then. But she must be much older and heavier now. I recall she was rather thin and young when she was at BG first many years back. If this is same Luna of DT, and then at ST too, not interesting.I saw Luna at DT / VR a couple times. So you saying she got implants? She was a C cup, not DD cup if memory serves correct.
RyanHarvey
11-22-24, 16:47
Never seen ST wilfully closed for that long, usually just Thanksgiving and sometimes Black Friday this time of the year. Ladies must not be happy because many need to make rent end of month and many want money for Black Friday. Plus ladies have come into town over the years around this time of year.
Also, holidays are just better availability for ladies in school (though I'm not sure ST runs sketchy ads in community college news papers looking for talent as many adult entertainment organizations used to do) even though it seems the typical 18-25 year old college co-ed is not available at private view agencies in general these days.I'm surprised they're closed too. Even if 1 or 2 girls didn't have plans they could just post up in the spot and see all the clientele. I know during the holidays I have a more flexible schedule and can get away from work easier. I actually tend to see someone around the days after Christmas and before New Year. It's a shame, they're going to lose business but I'm sure there's some reason. Wish the PV girls will just advertise for a week themselves.
JohnsonTouch
11-23-24, 02:14
She was hot AF. Now, I do understand women's flora are unique as are people's tastes, but I found her kitty to smell a bit too strong for me when she offered it up for DATY, in which I subsequently did not partake. YMMV. Maybe I caught her on the wrong day. I mean no offense by any of this. I'll probably repeat to see if her musk and my taste are more compatible in the future. Again, she was hot AF.
CuriousVaMan
11-23-24, 12:23
Your inbox is full. . . .
Unless a girl has a roster of favorites, think 25 weekly clients (think 5 a day x 5 days), I think there is zero upside. Outside of the PV, they have to rent a room in a decent area, screen, clean, do laundry, provide security, etc. That's enough to not deal with it. So even if up to half of the timed fee goes to the house as the cost of doing business and the rest goes to them, PV makes sense for 99% of scenarios.
I saw Luna at DT / VR a couple times. So you saying she got implants? She was a C cup, not DD cup if memory serves correct.I don't know, maybe someone should TOFTT.
I was a fan of Maria at BG. She actually let me know how long I lasted during FS. She must have been timing me. Loved eating that ass and pussy. Did not know she did porn. I just looked up her videos. That is a first for me to see vids of a girl I have visited. Thanks for the info!
If anyone remembers Maria from BG aka the full blown pornstar Mila Marie, she's knocked up and has left the business. Someone I know who follows her on Facebook showed me pictures from the baby shower so yeah. Another one bites the dust.
InSearch69
11-25-24, 11:05
Pretty sure Luna is retired and living in Texas.
I don't know, maybe someone should TOFTT.
Your inbox is full. . . .All clear.
RyanHarvey
11-25-24, 23:47
She was hot AF. Now, I do understand women's flora are unique as are people's tastes, but I found her kitty to smell a bit too strong for me when she offered it up for DATY, in which I subsequently did not partake. YMMV. Maybe I caught her on the wrong day. I mean no offense by any of this. I'll probably repeat to see if her musk and my taste are more compatible in the future. Again, she was hot AF.I've been with girls like that. When they're done with a session if they're busy they just spray and wipe some chemical shit down there. The result is a weird rubbery smell that's unpleasant. There's only a few girls I DATY for and I try to book them as earliest as possible in the day. Never had issues that way.
CougarBear
12-04-24, 12:00
Title says it all.
https://secrettemptation.com/page49.html
Anyone have any intel? She has what appear to be some nice curves.
Title says it all.
https://secrettemptation.com/page49.html
Anyone have any intel? She has what appear to be some nice curves.She is a Latina traveller here for a week. Attractive but wanted me to upgrade for extras right away and expensive. I chose to stick with basic service which she performed adequately. Maybe YMMV situation but I think she is like the other travelling Latinas coming to pv wanting upgrades right away without trying to entice you before asking.
She is a Latina traveller here for a week. Attractive but wanted me to upgrade for extras right away and expensive. I chose to stick with basic service which she performed adequately. Maybe YMMV situation but I think she is like the other travelling Latinas coming to pv wanting upgrades right away without trying to entice you before asking.Thanks for this. I only want to do a PV session with a local who wants to build up a clientele of regulars. VS the ones who are trying to make the most money that they can in a week, and then disappear.
JustJohn007
12-05-24, 18:35
Thanks for this. I only want to do a PV session with a local who wants to build up a clientele of regulars. VS the ones who are trying to make the most money that they can in a week, and then disappear.Agree.
Who are the known traveling girls there?
Thanks for this. I only want to do a PV session with a local who wants to build up a clientele of regulars. VS the ones who are trying to make the most money that they can in a week, and then disappear.She did say she was from Texas. I saw a post down below about a Latin girl moving to Texas but I never saw her before so not sure if its the same one.
CougarBear
12-06-24, 14:54
Who are the known traveling girls there?Chelsea if she shows up again comes from Texas for a few weeks at a time. That is the only one I know of.
RyanHarvey
12-06-24, 16:26
Chelsea if she shows up again comes from Texas for a few weeks at a time. That is the only one I know of.Hannah from ST is also a traveler. She's from NC and comes down every now and then to work. She's great though and doesn't really rip you off.
JustJohn007
12-07-24, 20:09
Chelsea if she shows up again comes from Texas for a few weeks at a time. That is the only one I know of.I definitely would see Chelsea again if she returns--said she was from Texas.
Should have clarified: who's a traveler out of current roster?
Anyone have the opportunity of visiting this amazon at VR?
https://www.velvetroom.fun/helen
Haven't been back in quite sometime since the days of Alana and Maddie. They haven't had the best reviews as of late but I don't want to rule them out, especially since I can't seem to get into ST.
MichaelG312
12-10-24, 07:49
Paris looks familiar. Anyone recognize her??
https://secrettemptation.com/page50.html
Paris looks familiar. Anyone recognize her??
https://secrettemptation.com/page50.htmlShe's not listed on their page, you must have clicked an old URL that they haven't deactivated yet.
https://secrettemptation.com/page4.html
She's not listed on their page, you must have clicked an old URL that they haven't deactivated yet.
https://secrettemptation.com/page4.htmlShe was listed yesterday and today is gone.
JustJohn007
12-12-24, 09:55
She was listed yesterday and today is gone.Too bad. One of my favorites the last go round.
RyanHarvey
12-13-24, 00:16
After my little fiasco with her a few months back I noticed she stopped posting on social media. Well a fellow board member reached out to me and tipped me off that she got into trouble with the law in September and was arrested. I don't know the specifics but looking at the court case shows it was possession of schedule 1 or 2 drug so it could've been something as small as marijuana. So yeah, for anyone looking for her at the moment, sounds like she's got her hands tied at the moment.
After my little fiasco with her a few months back I noticed she stopped posting on social media. Well a fellow board member reached out to me and tipped me off that she got into trouble with the law in September and was arrested. I don't know the specifics but looking at the court case shows it was possession of schedule 1 or 2 drug so it could've been something as small as marijuana. So yeah, for anyone looking for her at the moment, sounds like she's got her hands tied at the moment.Recreational weed is legal in Maryland, DC & Virginia and she would obviously be over 21. And I assume dispensaries will open in VA soon as well. Unless it was a distribution amount it probably wasn't weed.
Got rid of my membership at the other board as I didn't think it was that helpful although I know some of the DT is reviewed there.I get that, I only paid for TER a couple times over the years. I just comb through Adultsearch and find TER reviewed and submit updated ads through problem reports and get two day credits per submission. Used to do it when liveescortreviews existed. Guess not too many do it because I can fairly easily find outdated ads on profiles when I need VIP.
RyanHarvey
12-13-24, 16:01
Recreational weed is legal in Maryland, DC & Virginia and she would obviously be over 21. And I assume dispensaries will open in VA soon as well. Unless it was a distribution amount it probably wasn't weed.What are we thinking? A little nose candy? She seems so put together. Funny enough now that I see her arrest date I can see there's been no social media activity since then.
If anyone remembers Maria from BG aka the full blown pornstar Mila Marie, she's knocked up and has left the business. Someone I know who follows her on Facebook showed me pictures from the baby shower so yeah. Another one bites the dust.She's return to sugaring, has a new profile on seeking.
RyanHarvey
12-14-24, 17:56
She's return to sugaring, has a new profile on seeking.Can you drop a link? I'm going to reach out.
It so weird that some users here readily ask for help. However, when you reach out to them via DM, you just hear crickets. Not cool. If you ask for information, then be ready to share intel.
RyanHarvey
12-14-24, 21:29
It so weird that some users here readily ask for help. However, when you reach out to them via DM, you just hear crickets. Not cool. If you ask for information, then be ready to share intel.Not sure who you're directing this to but I will offer some advice / a tip. Usually when a senior member gets a DM from someone with a low amount of posts they might ignore them. It's not malicious, it's just if you aren't providing reviews and feedback, DMing someone feels like you're going around the board.
Not sure who you're directing this to but I will offer some advice / a tip. Usually when a senior member gets a DM from someone with a low amount of posts they might ignore them. It's not malicious, it's just if you aren't providing reviews and feedback, DMing someone feels like you're going around the board.Perhaps, But guys act goofy in the private view space more now than ever. They act like they on these gals (I use the term gals cause I'm not big on saying girls as it deflects adult accountability) payroll.
3 years ago on this PV forum it's the extreme of several dudes writing porns and admitting BBFS if applicable like they didn't know gals read reviews and forums; Now dudes talking vague when nudity and general availability of extras should be mentioned. Plus you rarely get reviews from multiple guys on a lady. The power of the dollar and the power of the review should not be sacrificed, the ladies work for us.
And from a TER prospective. A dude got so much in his feelings about my Review of Echo's looks at VR that he wrote a historical review of their experiences instead of a recent encounter which is not the rule over there, and it was removed. Save the historical rebuttal stuff for this board.
Can you drop a link? I'm going to reach out.Here you go: https://members.seeking.com/member/249f45bb-21a5-4f47-ac2e-a1574c62d290.
RyanHarvey
12-15-24, 23:52
Here you go: https://members.seeking.com/member/249f45bb-21a5-4f47-ac2e-a1574c62d290.Thanks! I sent her a message. Kinda interesting she didn't post any new pics (post baby) LOL.
DT / VR at previous location had a ring doorbell camera at door that was shocking when I first saw it during pandemic, not sure how it was used.
Obviously they all have a list of who we have seen and amount of times. Retention policy unknown.
But I'm highly confident the ladies relay a physical description and is checked against future visits tied to our number (s). I definitely heard ladies by door on phone talking to bookers saying yeah it's a *insert race *guy then answer door.
DickLongwood
12-18-24, 01:46
She appears to be back at BG.
BG isn't known for misrepresentations and fake pics, right? I didn't reverse search any images, but that lends credence to the VR pics I overlooked.
Looks like Roxy is attractive with possibly fake boobs. But I can overlook the fake boobs with the right look.
https://www.velvetroom.fun/roxy
https://bluegems.com/the-ladies/nggallery/album/roxy
RyanHarvey
12-18-24, 11:31
BG isn't known for misrepresentations and fake pics, right? I didn't reverse search any images, but that lends credence to the VR pics I overlooked.
Looks like Roxy is attractive with possibly fake boobs. But I can overlook the fake boobs with the right look.
https://www.velvetroom.fun/roxy
https://bluegems.com/the-ladies/nggallery/album/roxyIf you read Roxy's bio on BG she refers herself to Adrianna. Not sure what's happening LOL.
JustJohn007
12-23-24, 10:13
BG isn't known for misrepresentations and fake pics, right? I didn't reverse search any images, but that lends credence to the VR pics I overlooked.
Looks like Roxy is attractive with possibly fake boobs. But I can overlook the fake boobs with the right look.
https://www.velvetroom.fun/roxy
https://bluegems.com/the-ladies/nggallery/album/roxyI guess the traveling girls are trying all the agencies now. Many rotate between them but I've never seen any listed simultaneously until Roxy.
JamesBlack1852
12-23-24, 11:48
Any intel on this girl?
There are no reviews and her ads are in the bodyrub section but her rate is 5 h.
https://adultsearch.com/us/washington-dc/washington-dc/body-rubs/3489830
LizardLeader18
12-23-24, 21:54
Any intel on this girl?
There are no reviews and her ads are in the bodyrub section but her rate is 5 h.
https://adultsearch.com/us/washington-dc/washington-dc/body-rubs/3489830That looks like jenna capri. Surprised she's still around. Search should help. Body rub was awful but she was kinda cute and came across as naive. Curious if she's offering more than just a rub now.
JohnsonTouch
12-24-24, 15:44
Hannah from ST is also a traveler. She's from NC and comes down every now and then to work. She's great though and doesn't really rip you off.Hannah: Had a pretty face, cute Southern accent, and a fit body with fine, sort of hard, MMs. She offered CBJ and CFS, with an upgrade for BBBJ. Downsides: The BBBJ was very short-lived, lasting only a few minutes, and the CFS was guided, in an albeit courteous way, to prevent full depth. Towards the end, she began to "flatter" me, saying she couldn't take much more, but I think she was just rushing me to finish. I didn't go for any kissing or DATY. I probably wouldn't repeat. I don't recommend overall, and especially the BBBJ extra because of its short-livedness.
Sasha: Had a decent face, thicc body with okay naturals. She offered BBBJ and CFS, and delivered well on both fronts without any complaints. She allowed for DATY, and even a little FIA for a few strokes. I didn't go for any kissing, mostly because previous reports made it clear she was not a fan of it. I would repeat and recommend.
Molly: Had a pretty face and toned body with fine MMs. I would personally rate her higher as a B or a B-plus on the most recent "ST Looks Tier" list. She offered BBBJ and CFS, with DFK. She didn't offer a CIM option for me. I didn't go for DATY because I wasn't really "hungry," but she positioned herself eagerly for it. I would repeat and recommend.
Ashley: Had a pretty face and decent body with fine MMs. She offered BBBJ and BBFS, with DFK. I can confirm the prior report about fingering any hole. However, she asked me not to go for Greek or CIP. I would repeat and recommend.
Of course, YMMV for everything aforementioned.
RyanHarvey
12-26-24, 00:50
Hannah: Had a pretty face, cute Southern accent, and a fit body with fine, sort of hard, MMs. She offered CBJ and CFS, with an upgrade for BBBJ. Downsides: The BBBJ was very short-lived, lasting only a few minutes, and the CFS was guided, in an albeit courteous way, to prevent full depth. Towards the end, she began to "flatter" me, saying she couldn't take much more, but I think she was just rushing me to finish. I didn't go for any kissing or DATY. I probably wouldn't repeat. I don't recommend overall, and especially the BBBJ extra because of its short-livedness.
Sasha: Had a decent face, thicc body with okay naturals. She offered BBBJ and CFS, and delivered well on both fronts without any complaints. She allowed for DATY, and even a little FIA for a few strokes. I didn't go for any kissing, mostly because previous reports made it clear she was not a fan of it. I would repeat and recommend.
Molly: Had a pretty face and toned body with fine MMs. I would personally rate her higher as a B or a B-plus on the most recent "ST Looks Tier" list. She offered BBBJ and CFS, with DFK. She didn't offer a CIM option for me. I didn't go for DATY because I wasn't really "hungry," but she positioned herself eagerly for it. I would repeat and recommend.
Ashley: Had a pretty face and decent body with fine MMs. She offered BBBJ and BBFS, with DFK. I can confirm the prior report about fingering any hole. However, she asked me not to go for Greek or CIP. I would repeat and recommend.
Of course, YMMV for everything aforementioned.Hannah is great IMO but where she really shines is with another girl. My last visit I booked Hannah and Taylor and it was spectacular. The two have good chemistry and the session was very light hearted. A lot of it was Hannah doing a "look what I can do" while Taylor applauded her. BBBJ from Hannah while another girl watches in awe is awesome.
Sasha: Had a decent face, thicc body with okay naturals. She offered BBBJ and CFS, and delivered well on both fronts without any complaints. She allowed for DATY, and even a little FIA for a few strokes. I didn't go for any kissing, mostly because previous reports made it clear she was not a fan of it. I would repeat and recommend.Happy Holidays to you and yours! Thanks for your contributions. Multiple reports of experiences matter. Looks like you took some insight from me, nice, haha.
Yeah, kissing is YMMV with Sasha. She will grab me by sides of face and pull me in to kiss the couple times I saw her. So it shouldn't be ruled out in general for anyone that sees her.
Hannah is great IMO but where she really shines is with another girl. My last visit I booked Hannah and Taylor and it was spectacular. The two have good chemistry and the session was very light hearted. A lot of it was Hannah doing a "look what I can do" while Taylor applauded her. BBBJ from Hannah while another girl watches in awe is awesome.Not sure why he didn't repeat with Hannah if the only upgrade was a BBBJ. If all the other extras are part of the house fee why not take another chance? Now if he left out upsell / tips for the ladies offerings, that's a different scenario.
Not sure why he didn't repeat with Hannah if the only upgrade was a BBBJ. If all the other extras are part of the house fee why not take another chance? Now if he left out upsell / tips for the ladies offerings, that's a different scenario.I assume that it was an additional upsell on top of the upsell.
JohnsonTouch
12-26-24, 21:21
...Of course, YMMV for everything aforementioned.Sorry. I want to clarify. Hannah and Molly were ones who clearly stated their donation rates for the extras that they offered to me. Sasha and Ashley left the decision for any tip up to me, and I tipped them fairly generously, $$ to $$$ on top of the standard house fee. I assumed that anything more than a massage and HJ finish warranted at least some tip above the house fee. I enjoyed more than a body-rub and HJ finish from the four girls that I last reported on. I actually haven't not tipped above the house fee for any of the girls that I have been with for PVs, even for a more or less standard experience. I'm sorry if that contributed towards inflation for everyone.
Please feel free to PM me, especially senior members, or continue to call me out on vagueness in posts here, if anything is not clear in my reports. Good luck and stay safe!
JamesBlack1852
12-27-24, 13:13
If there is anyone out there that is a fan of Edens like I am and you want to compare notes.
I've seen:
Caroline.
Linda.
Jenny.
Gina.
Lilliana.
Linda.
Natalie.
Cristina.
Sara.
RyanHarvey
12-28-24, 01:37
If there is anyone out there that is a fan of Edens like I am and you want to compare notes.
I've seen:
Caroline.
Linda.
Jenny.
Gina.
Lilliana.
Linda.
Natalie.
Cristina.
Sara.Brother, write the reviews.
Last year around these end of year Holiday times ST called me to tell me Eva was available that I had saw a couple times in fairly short order and that I had asked about a couple weeks earlier. They must use CRM software, LOL. Unfortunately I couldn't make it in, but it was much appreciated and a nice touch of customer service to reach out to me.
Only ones still relevant is Caroline; older than a college age, I'd place in 30's. Body still is tight and looks good. She tries to please. FIV, BBBJ hinted at after a few visits. FS off the table. FMMV.
Natalie: cute face, on younger side of 30 or late 20's, typical party type chick with tats to match. Nothing much beyond. NOVA was offered, has a prissy attitude. FS off table, BBBJ off table, FMMV.
I'm a mid aged white guy in decent shape and never had problems pulling women, so I doubt I could be that big of a X-factor. However, Edens is still probably the truly last YMMV outpost. Which is why a lot of these guys are so tight lipped, the handler is known to be a bit of a square.
Post away.
JamesBlack1852
12-29-24, 23:13
Only ones still relevant is Caroline; older than a college age, I'd place in 30's. Body still is tight and looks good. She tries to please. FIV, BBBJ hinted at after a few visits. FS off the table. FMMV.
Natalie: cute face, on younger side of 30 or late 20's, typical party type chick with tats to match. Nothing much beyond. NOVA was offered, has a prissy attitude. FS off table, BBBJ off table, FMMV.
I'm a mid aged white guy in decent shape and never had problems pulling women, so I doubt I could be that big of a X-factor. However, Edens is still probably the truly last YMMV outpost. Which is why a lot of these guys are so tight lipped, the handler is known to be a bit of a square.
Post away.Question: what makes you think guys are getting more extras and not saying any thing?
Anyone called ST today, are they open? I haven't been able to get through or get a call back, usually they do, I haven't gone there in a while, bit since they were closed for 2 weeks, and one time after they re-open had called with no response.
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