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Those pics are definitely not her. Different face, a little thicker and her tits are C's at the most. I was also looking for reviews but, couldn't find any so I decided to TOFTT. She said she only comes to the US for one week every year. With a schedule like that, you'd think it'd be a, "see her while you can" situation. Couldn't be further from reality. No DFK, no FIV, no DATY and a very mechanical BBBJ. She asks what position I like and I said CG. She attempted to climb on top of me but, she said I was too big so, we switched to MISH and tells me to go slow. What followed was the most bare bones sex I've had in a while. I'm surprised I was able to finish. She does speak English pretty well so, we were able to chat but, I don't go see these girls to have a conversation. I thought APC was turning around by bringing in stars like Yuki but, it seems like they're back to having the most basic girls they can find.
Misato at APC looks cute. Anyone recognize her pics from another agency in order to see if she has previous reviews? Nice big tits by the looks of it but they cannot be 34 E's.
Daphne is back at DS. I had an amazing time. Seeing a bubble butt like hers on a K girl is crazy. DFK, MSOG, BBBJ, Daty.
ClassySemite
11-07-23, 21:27
Daphne is back at DS. I had an amazing time. Seeing a bubble butt like hers on a K girl is crazy. DFK, MSOG, BBBJ, Daty.I had a good time with Daphne but probably wouldn't repeat. All the acronyms you mentioned was fun though I didn't partake in daty. Legit young girl and fucking her hard in doggy and seeing that bubbly ass jiggle was a sight to behold. Got a cute yelp out of her when I hit it deep. But she seemed to be following a routine and there wasn't that IOP. Also a bit of a plain face, I think my expectations were too high because so many reviews said she had the prettiest face. Though she weirdly enough looks much prettier with a fat cock in her mouth.
Derilious89
11-07-23, 21:53
So I'm finally heading back to NOVA for work and was looking for best agencies for this weekend that don't background check or you can give generic answers to get in. I do not want to be databased anywhere, I think I asked before but I don't get on that often so the replies might have been buried very deep. I'll be up in the Fairfax area Friday afternoon. Had a site before but heard it changed ownership or shut down. Got suggested others but told that they're heavy with the background checks.
If y'all don't want to send me links or info in reply feel free to DM me. Appreciate the help and we'll return the favor if any of ya'll ever need intel on 757. Looking for full Japanese but might be ok with Korean and as always, I'll make sure to give good info on who I see on my visit.
Also looking for any non-asian hidden gyms under the $300 hr. Love latinas down here but major bonus points if anybody can hook me up with a pretty girl from India to help with the bucket list.I don't know of any agency that doesn't screen. I know that some of the agencies accept linkedin profiles so you can do some creative workarounds with that. There have been a few busts in NOVA in the past year so I would think that most of the agencies will still be asking for some sort of verification.
TheBigBoy11
11-07-23, 22:29
Those pics are definitely not her. Different face, a little thicker and her tits are C's at the most. I was also looking for reviews but, couldn't find any so I decided to TOFTT. She said she only comes to the US for one week every year. With a schedule like that, you'd think it'd be a, "see her while you can" situation. Couldn't be further from reality. No DFK, no FIV, no DATY and a very mechanical BBBJ. She asks what position I like and I said CG. She attempted to climb on top of me but, she said I was too big so, we switched to MISH and tells me to go slow. What followed was the most bare bones sex I've had in a while. I'm surprised I was able to finish. She does speak English pretty well so, we were able to chat but, I don't go see these girls to have a conversation. I thought APC was turning around by bringing in stars like Yuki but, it seems like they're back to having the most basic girls they can find.Bro, I wish you had posted this 45 minutes earlier.
I had a 30 minutes session with her today in the evening, and it was not great. I couldn't finish. On the way home, I was thinking, 'Man, what is wrong with me?' LOL.
No FIV, No CIM, No DFK, can't go too deep in the vag. She just F* laid there.
She also gave me the smallest condom I barely got it on.
My ratings.
Looks -7/10 I thought she was cute.
BJ skills- 3/10.
Overall performance 4/10.
Tit size C (natural).
She asked me if I wanted to go bare but I declined.
As you said she did speak English but I'm not there to talk. I prefer the ones that don't speak English.
IMO Skip this one.
JustJohn007
11-07-23, 23:10
Had been a regular at the former BL (and sister agency whose name escapes me) years ago but only verified at one k girl agency currently. XOC no longer an option and JM too risky to be a dud at current prices.
Anyone know if some of these new agencies have bookers connected to BL? Hoping to re-establish myself without crazy intrusive screening.
NightHawk 1967
11-08-23, 02:49
I sees a couple of new young gals join the lineup Kumi and Lily. Each say they real little like I like. Seems like I might able squeeze my thick cock into Lily's ass and be real nice bonus. Any you guys had either these 2 fuck toys yet? Thanks.
Those pics are definitely not her. Different face, a little thicker and her tits are C's at the most. I was also looking for reviews but, couldn't find any so I decided to TOFTT. She said she only comes to the US for one week every year. With a schedule like that, you'd think it'd be a, "see her while you can" situation. Couldn't be further from reality. No DFK, no FIV, no DATY and a very mechanical BBBJ. She asks what position I like and I said CG. She attempted to climb on top of me but, she said I was too big so, we switched to MISH and tells me to go slow. What followed was the most bare bones sex I've had in a while. I'm surprised I was able to finish. She does speak English pretty well so, we were able to chat but, I don't go see these girls to have a conversation. I thought APC was turning around by bringing in stars like Yuki but, it seems like they're back to having the most basic girls they can find.Thanks for saving me money. I can accept the YMMV portion of the hobby based on performance, but the bait and switch on pics is what really gets under my skin. This is the reason why I have no interest in helping APC with their current TER dilemma. If they were forthright with the girls they post I would be inclined to help them but the fake pics that these organizations think is acceptable is just plain deceitful. Men are visual and accurate representation means a lot to us.
LizardLeader18
11-08-23, 10:02
Anyone tried Joy from CP?Minimal kissing (no dfk, only a bit of lip kissing).
Very saggy belly looked like she had lipo.
No ass.
Weird looking face.
Definitely looked in her 40's.
Skip her.
LocalCustomer
11-08-23, 10:32
Elena has three reviews on the other site. They say it's not her in the pics, but tries hard / enthusiastic. She's been at metrogirls in NYC. Barely any talk about her on NY board.What other site? I'm not seeing her on TER. Right now there's no information about her. If I had time I'd TOFT and just pay the $50 cancellation fee if she doesn't meet expectations. Pics are very hot but if she doesn't match pics, what's the point.
DMV Average Joe
11-08-23, 11:25
What other site? I'm not seeing her on TER. Right now there's no information about her. If I had time I'd TOFT and just pay the $50 cancellation fee if she doesn't meet expectations. Pics are very hot but if she doesn't match pics, what's the point.TER 364155.
https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/ellena---elena-2133209456-364155
Minimal kissing (no dfk, only a bit of lip kissing).
Very saggy belly looked like she had lipo.
No ass.
Weird looking face.
Definitely looked in her 40's.
Skip her.I'm not sure where CP get their girls from, but expected the girls coming through will be late30's, 40+ so you don't get disappoint.
Anyone got intel? How accurate are the photos!
Anything is appreciated thanks.
TheBdn0128
11-08-23, 13:04
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/feds-to-announce-sophisticated-high-end-brothel-network-bust-in-mass-va/3184748/
FYI, taking a break!
RonSwanson
11-08-23, 13:26
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/feds-to-announce-sophisticated-high-end-brothel-network-bust-in-mass-va/3184748/
FYI, taking a break!The defendants allegedly advertised their prostitution network primarily on two websites bostontopten10.com and browneyesgirlsva. Blog.
IadGuy2023
11-08-23, 13:37
The defendants allegedly advertised their prostitution network primarily on two websites bostontopten10.com and browneyesgirlsva. Blog.Are you sure about BEG? The site is still up.
ThrobbinWood
11-08-23, 13:37
The defendants allegedly advertised their prostitution network primarily on two websites bostontopten10.com and browneyesgirlsva. Blog.Here is a quote from the news article. Is there any chance that the hard drive with all the info was programed to self destruct when the raid started? Not!
"The investigation began with a tip from local law enforcement last summer, he said. The Lees allegedly required clients to verify their identities by sharing their driver's license photo, employer information and credit card number, as well as paying a monthly fee. ".
It also doesn't talk about any customer arrests. Maybe the list had too may well connected gentlemen so they decided against that kind of a sting.
Forgot to give her the scores, based on the ter scoring system, it'd be: Looks 8/10, Performance 5/10.Had a horrible experience with Ara. All she did was complain about her life the whole time. Decent body. Very fit. Long legs. But, her boob job is way too large for her frame. And it's personal opinion but I don't think she's that pretty. There's plenty of girls better looking than her from DS: Apple, Spring, Jessie, etc are prettier by a mile. I wouldn't repeat.
What other site? I'm not seeing her on TER. Right now there's no information about her. If I had time I'd TOFT and just pay the $50 cancellation fee if she doesn't meet expectations. Pics are very hot but if she doesn't match pics, what's the point.Yes TER. However, they have now merged reviews from Elena with Ellena (doulbe L). It's 364155 on TER or search Ellena. Now she has 80 reviews. Previously she just had three under Elena. Guess it's all the same girl and these reviews sound pretty good now. Also, with correct spelling of Ellena you can find info on LA board. On LA board they are still saying pics are fake, but she is young, pretty hot and a lot of guys like her.
It's hard to arrest and charge customers because of the language used in the texts. Unless sexual acts are explicitly mentioned, the cops have nothing to go on.
Here is a quote from the news article. Is there any chance that the hard drive with all the info was programed to self destruct when the raid started? Not!
"The investigation began with a tip from local law enforcement last summer, he said. The Lees allegedly required clients to verify their identities by sharing their driver's license photo, employer information and credit card number, as well as paying a monthly fee. ".
It also doesn't talk about any customer arrests. Maybe the list had too may well connected gentlemen so they decided against that kind of a sting.
AznAficianado
11-08-23, 14:22
As if we needed any more reason to abandon common sense and not release all of our personal information to these agencies. But too many of us, despite maintaining strict privacy on this site and everywhere else, gladly comply with these agencies and now the market has accepted this as the standard. Still plenty of providers and even some agencies out there who don't require such unreasonable screening. Remember, just a few short years ago we didn't have this unreasonable screening and the market worked just fine.
Had been a regular at the former BL (and sister agency whose name escapes me) years ago but only verified at one k girl agency currently. XOC no longer an option and JM too risky to be a dud at current prices.
Anyone know if some of these new agencies have bookers connected to BL? Hoping to re-establish myself without crazy intrusive screening.Talking about "sister agencies" is frankly idle speculation that does nobody any favors considering the crackdowns going on here or elsewhere. It seems people got complacent after warnings about a coming storm didn't come to pass right away.
JustJohn007
11-08-23, 15:02
Talking about "sister agencies" is frankly idle speculation that does nobody any favors considering the crackdowns going on here or elsewhere. It seems people got complacent after warnings about a coming storm didn't come to pass right away.I agree with the need for discretion regardless of crackdowns anywhere. Sensitive information is best sent via PM with more general info posted on the threads.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/feds-to-announce-sophisticated-high-end-brothel-network-bust-in-mass-va/3184748/
FYI, taking a break!And this is why giving up PII in the verification process is a no-no boys!
KylerMurray
11-08-23, 15:11
Both SAG NoVA sites are dust. Perhaps they pulled out the area bc of the news. Election szn, sucks but this stuff happens. BEG always wanted too much info so I never screened with them.
Here is a quote from the news article. Is there any chance that the hard drive with all the info was programed to self destruct when the raid started? Not!
"The investigation began with a tip from local law enforcement last summer, he said. The Lees allegedly required clients to verify their identities by sharing their driver's license photo, employer information and credit card number, as well as paying a monthly fee. ".
It also doesn't talk about any customer arrests. Maybe the list had too may well connected gentlemen so they decided against that kind of a sting.
Derilious89
11-08-23, 15:20
It also doesn't talk about any customer arrests. Maybe the list had too may well connected gentlemen so they decided against that kind of a sting.They can't arrest you for your information being in the "black book"; they can only arrest you for being caught directly in the act or explicitly saying it in communication (even this is suspect sometimes). The worry is that your private information being known to law enforcement can allow them to investigate you or potentially even blackmail you. It's unlikely they arrest you because you can't give them anything more than the operation itself in which you have probably only interacted with the girls and a handler. Being a nameless john is a good thing in this situation since you really don't have any pull to be flipped into anything else.
Very rarely do you see customer arrests because LEO isn't super interested in arresting johns, unless there is strong evidence of coerced trafficking, underage girls, or violence on the part of the johns. Again, it's hard to prove, bad for optics, and bad politically so they will usually just shut down the places, pass around some fines (and maybe some jail time) to operators, and sweep it away.
Should I delete my burner number? I'm really freaking out. I never used BEG but can they find other Asian agencies?
The charging document;.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24136515-affidavit-in-brothel-ring-case
Is an interesting read. I identifies specific escort addresses in Tysons and Fairfax under surveillance, lists the girls on the current BEG webpage, and has text screenshots from handlers to mongers. They have 20 monger insiders helping out with the investigation and they claim to have identified Politicians, Military Officers, and Security Clearance holders.
I know first hand the little dick Federal LE loves to bust other Feds that have dirty hobbies. If I were still a Fed or a Contractor, or Military, would suggest you brush up your resume. Glad now I didn't join BEG.
LoveDemAzn
11-08-23, 17:13
Both SAG NoVA sites are dust. Perhaps they pulled out the area bc of the news. Election szn, sucks but this stuff happens. BEG always wanted too much info so I never screened with them.They even pull out of Boston too. They probably going to wait to everything cool down.
They can't arrest you for your information being in the "black book"; they can only arrest you for being caught directly in the act or explicitly saying it in communication (even this is suspect sometimes). The worry is that your private information being known to law enforcement can allow them to investigate you or potentially even blackmail you. It's unlikely they arrest you because you can't give them anything more than the operation itself in which you have probably only interacted with the girls and a handler. Being a nameless john is a good thing in this situation since you really don't have any pull to be flipped into anything else.
Very rarely do you see customer arrests because LEO isn't super interested in arresting johns, unless there is strong evidence of coerced trafficking, underage girls, or violence on the part of the johns. Again, it's hard to prove, bad for optics, and bad politically so they will usually just shut down the places, pass around some fines (and maybe some jail time) to operators, and sweep it away.I have to contradict you here. If you are a Fed, Military, or politician this can end you career without a conviction. If they have your PII associated with requesting and acceptation paid sex along with violating human trafficking statutes then your security clearance is gone as well as your career.
DMV Average Joe
11-08-23, 17:27
They even pull out of Boston too. They probably going to wait to everything cool down.Those BIG fishes w / multiple locations, across states are going to lay low for now. So if you are really itching, go to local stand alone shops / small fish.
The charging document;.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24136515-affidavit-in-brothel-ring-case
Is an interesting read. I identifies specific escort addresses in Tysons and Fairfax under surveillance, lists the girls on the current BEG webpage, and has text screenshots from handlers to mongers. They have 20 monger insiders helping out with the investigation and they claim to have identified Politicians, Military Officers, and Security Clearance holders.
I know first hand the little dick Federal LE loves to bust other Feds that have dirty hobbies. If I were still a Fed or a Contractor, or Military, would suggest you brush up your resume. Glad now I didn't join BEG.Looks like they setup surveillance at the locations and ambushed John's coming out to flip them. Landlord probably got fed up with the foot traffic.
Grafenberg
11-08-23, 18:56
They can't arrest you for your information being in the "black book"They can charge you, publish your name, and waste lots of money in lawyer fees. Possibly lose your job and cause relationship issues. The process is the punishment.
Looks like they setup surveillance at the locations and ambushed John's coming out to flip them. Landlord probably got fed up with the foot traffic.Everyone needs to watch this.
https://youtu.be/RkN4duV4ia0?si=M9XATaWOsdGPh8Qd
Remember if they talk to you, shut the fuck up.
So it seems SA and LLVA's site is down.
Looks like that's it for Korean BBQ in NOVA.
Is this all a repeat of lotus flowerz?
Is it only beg?
They must be watching all the multi location places, right?
WillGuyMar
11-08-23, 19:57
Is this all a repeat of lotus flowerz?
Is it only beg?
They must be watching all the multi location places, right?It's only BEG and this was out of Boston. Other agencies are NY operations. Hopefully LLVA / SA knows how to go low and it looks like they have an idea.
I noticed that they never mentioned PII stored on the "brothel phones". Wonder if they really did properly dispose of that information like they say they do.
Time for some of you to burn your burners. I never used BEG, but I'm not touching these agencies for a long time.
Member #6464
11-08-23, 19:59
Quick observation:
I swiftly scanned through the document and all the dates reported in it fell on Weekdays. None on Weekends.
Is it because Uncle Sam deep down knows this is a VICTIMLESS crime and there is no need to pay OT for their pigs to work on weekends. ?
Maybe the libs were right after all in asking to Defunding the popo.
KylerMurray
11-08-23, 20:12
Observant you are. I went back thru and looked with a bit more scrutiny. It seems they stung almost all these hobbyists on Friday afternoons (I do see a Monday... Oct 23rd). Interesting.
Quick observation:
I swiftly scanned through the document and all the dates reported in it fell on Weekdays. None on Weekends.
Is it because Uncle Sam deep down knows this is a VICTIMLESS crime and there is no need to pay OT for their pigs to work on weekends. ?
Maybe the libs were right after all in asking to Defunding the popo.
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Observant you are. I went back thru and looked with a bit more scrutiny. It seems they stung almost all these hobbyists on Friday afternoons (I do see a Monday... Oct 23rd). Interesting.I guess playing on weekends really saved my ass then. I guess it's time to move on to Indy providers. What a fucking waste too, I had finally settled on a favorite with Rainbow over at BEG. I'll miss her RJ game.
JsppsgFun4
11-08-23, 20:58
Reading over the charging document. What stood out is how much information was put in this document. DOJ is / was under no obligation to do that in the charging document. This was done to send a message to all involved. Put it another way the information within that document is likely just the tip of the iceberg and what they were willing to publicly reveal at this time. Scary times indeed.
Stay safe.
It's only BEG and this was out of Boston. Other agencies are NY operations. Hopefully LLVA / SA knows how to go low and it looks like they have an idea.
I noticed that they never mentioned PII stored on the "brothel phones". Wonder if they really did properly dispose of that information like they say they do.
Time for some of you to burn your burners. I never used BEG, but I'm not touching these agencies for a long time.I'm assuming the multi location, multi state organizations are in the radar, all are being watched.
There was big $s involved, that was the draw here I are S will want its poind of flesh.
Pornstar2022
11-08-23, 21:45
I was thinking about booking something to this week. Shit. Virginia agencies are officially on ice. Wouldn't be shocked if they never come back either specially certain ones.
Everyone needs to watch this.
https://youtu.be/RkN4duV4ia0?si=M9XATaWOsdGPh8Qd
Remember if they talk to you, shut the fuck up.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHuv3sZ79s
WillGuyMar
11-08-23, 22:03
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHuv3sZ79sFor real. Read (or browse) the charging document. Imagine how this would have gone if those Johns had just STFU. Nowhere, that's where.
Member #6464
11-08-23, 22:12
Observant you are. I went back thru and looked with a bit more scrutiny. It seems they stung almost all these hobbyists on Friday afternoons (I do see a Monday... Oct 23rd). Interesting.Thanks. I do my hobbying on the Weekends cause I live out of state. That date of Monday October 23,2023 related to BEG surveillance hit a nerve!
There were other surveillance dates in CA, MA that all fell on Weekdays.
So with the BEG operation completed I know everyone is freaking out. Retired lawyer here to give you some tips. Do not take this as official legal advice if you are really worried you should talk to your own lawyer.
1. In order to effectively prosecute you they need to prove you paid for a sex act. This cannot be "implied" by the fact you visited an attractive young lady for one hour. It cannot be "assumed" from the fact that you wanted to see someone pretty. They need a video recording or text message or email or something tying your payment to an overt sex act. Otherwise you were just paying for time and there is nothing wrong with that. Anything that may have happened during that time was between two consenting adults and in no way connected to any payment. Where BEG fucked up (among other things) was sending out a text with a menu related to payment. Where the clients fucked up is admitting to LE that any monies they gave were connected to a sex act. You should never send a text message which refers to any sex act in any form and neither should they.
2. If by some chance LE comes to talk to you the only thing you should say is "lawyer. " If they tell you that you don't need a lawyer yet because you aren't detained then say thank you very much I don't feel like talking to you. If you try to leave and they don't detain you that means they don't have enough info to detain you. If they don't have enough info to detain Why in the hell would you give them that information by talking to them. If they try to interview you they only words out of your mouth should be "am I being detained. " If the answer is no say you have nothing to say. If they say it would be better for you if you talked to them you are an idiot if you believe that to be true. You have virtually nothing to gain and everything to lose by talking to them voluntarily.
3. If you are detained the only word out of your mouth should be "lawyer." If they say they have witnesses implicating you then your response should be "lawyer." They are allowed to lie about incriminating evidence in order to get you to confess. So for instance they could say they have a girl who told them you paid her for sex. And they could be lying, there is no law prohibiting them from lying as part of the interrogation. Do not believe them if they tell you they have the goods on you. Say you want a lawyer. Your lawyer will advise you properly from that point forward.
For real. Read (or browse) the charging document. Imagine how this would have gone if those Johns had just STFU. Nowhere, that's where.The pot brothers video should be pinned to the top of this thread if possible as a reminder. I always watched it before every appointment I had with the ladies just as I was texted to go up to the building as a refresher.
ThrobbinWood
11-08-23, 23:17
They can't arrest you for your information being in the "black book"; they can only arrest you for being caught directly in the act or explicitly saying it in communication (even this is suspect sometimes). The worry is that your private information being known to law enforcement can allow them to investigate you or potentially even blackmail you. It's unlikely they arrest you because you can't give them anything more than the operation itself in which you have probably only interacted with the girls and a handler. Being a nameless john is a good thing in this situation since you really don't have any pull to be flipped into anything else.
Very rarely do you see customer arrests because LEO isn't super interested in arresting johns, unless there is strong evidence of coerced trafficking, underage girls, or violence on the part of the johns. Again, it's hard to prove, bad for optics, and bad politically so they will usually just shut down the places, pass around some fines (and maybe some jail time) to operators, and sweep it away.You might check the recent busts in other cities. Cleveland maybe. Whud-ya-gunna-do if they stop by your house to ask questions of you? Tell your wife they have the wrong address!
Derilious89
11-08-23, 23:39
You might check the recent busts in other cities. Cleveland maybe. Whud-ya-gunna-do if they stop by your house to ask questions of you? Tell your wife they have the wrong address!Everything I said was true. You probably aren't going to get arrested, but you may get extorted, blackmailed, and / or potentially exposed so you can flip on the agency (like the literal affidavit says). I'm not trying to underplay the risk, rather get people to understand what the actual risk is so we can stop misinformation and fear mongering. If you'll notice, the document says that the people were simply observed going in and out of the apartments and that upon interviewing them, they spilled the beans that they purchased sex. Arguably, the whole case is really built around the evidence that the mongers provided; the rest is circumstantially corroborated by the monger testimony or money laundering charges on the owners which can't be directly tied to the prostitution itself.
There is always risk and we should never downplay it. Be smart, be safe, and don't talk to the cops.
I have to contradict you here. If you are a Fed, Military, or politician this can end you career without a conviction. If they have your PII associated with requesting and acceptation paid sex along with violating human trafficking statutes then your security clearance is gone as well as your career.They don't even have to talk to you directly. They can and probably will report information to your following agency, branch, whatever once they have it.
It says in the document too that customers were not named because they wanted to maintain anonymity but because their investigation was still ongoing. It could be a while until we really see the impact of this. Especially when they have hundreds of potential records to scrub through. I'd imagine they would want to get all their ducks in a row first and then carry out the punishment in mass.
You might check the recent busts in other cities. Cleveland maybe. Whud-ya-gunna-do if they stop by your house to ask questions of you? Tell your wife they have the wrong address!The article claims they have a client list in the hundreds, I really don't think they are going to be spending the resources tracking down everyone to be questioned. Assuming everyone gets their own jury, lawyers, and judge you will see it will take years to prosecute everyone.
NightHawk 1967
11-09-23, 01:44
I like some of you know the STFU routine—simple. But I ask question to the legal eagles—.
If some bunch of dumbass mongers fucks one of the working gals and gets interviewed by LE walking out of apartment and they spill the beans like these Boston idiots.
Then, LE be watching real close while I walk in ands take my pictures and car plates like a real sting op.
Then, I walks out of the apartment exact 1 hour later with my fly down smell like pussy and they try to interview me. I shuts the fuck up of course.
Can LE nab me anyway cause I be visiting a suspected brothel?
This is also an example that while the apartment style locations are generally set up nicer, the hotel meets are far less risky. With a fixed location set-up it is just a matter of time before it is noticed and then very easy to surveille; whereas with the hotel meets despite to rooms not being the best, it's hard for LE to monitor as the girls are constantly moving.
Jacobs Patrick
11-09-23, 10:14
The article claims they have a client list in the hundreds, I really don't think they are going to be spending the resources tracking down everyone to be questioned. Assuming everyone gets their own jury, lawyers, and judge you will see it will take years to prosecute everyone.They have names, addresses, telephone numbers, work information and driver's licences. Even if you never made an appointment, it's loss to be outed for most.
Looks like it's back to AMPs for a while. SA, LLVA, and AG have all said they don't save customer information for everyone's safety so, hopefully that's true.
And this is why giving up PII in the verification process is a no-no boys!Can't agree more. Never ever share those with any providers. There is no way they will be deleting PII after verification. Tbh I don't know how knowing your identity can possibly help them except for gaining a leverage, which could be used against you when shit hits the fan. And the agencies asking for LinkedIn / paystub info is plainly laughable. Feds can creat fake profiles and docs easily, they will get got if they feds want to target them.
The article claims they have a client list in the hundreds, I really don't think they are going to be spending the resources tracking down everyone to be questioned. Assuming everyone gets their own jury, lawyers, and judge you will see it will take years to prosecute everyone.The client list will be revealed if someone leaks it. It would have to be politically expedient to do so. If there are conservative Christian politicians or a presidential candidate on the list, you can bet that would be reason alone to leak the list. I'd be willing to bet that dozens of "news" agencies have already submitted FOIA requests. The FOIA requests will be denied because it's an ongoing investigation. But, insider zealots don't have any constraints. Anybody remember the "Little Black Book" in Frederick 20 years ago?
https://www.fredericknewspost.com/a-look-back-at-fredericks-black-book-scandal/collection_a2f0dbfe-f118-11e5-8404-3b398e2fe206.html
Reading over the charging document. What stood out is how much information was put in this document. DOJ is / was under no obligation to do that in the charging document. This was done to send a message to all involved. Put it another way the information within that document is likely just the tip of the iceberg and what they were willing to publicly reveal at this time. Scary times indeed.
Stay safe.A message to not only to customers of this agency, but to others here and elsewhere. The DC area connection ensured the media would cover this. Very little detail on actual trafficking details but plenty of detail regarding how thorough the investigation was.
The client list will be revealed if someone leaks it. It would have to be politically expedient to do so. If there are conservative Christian politicians or a presidential candidate on the list, you can bet that would be reason alone to leak the list. I'd be willing to bet that dozens of "news" agencies have already submitted FOIA requests. The FOIA requests will be denied because it's an ongoing investigation. But, insider zealots don't have any constraints. Anybody remember the "Little Black Book" in Frederick 20 years ago?
https://www.fredericknewspost.com/a-look-back-at-fredericks-black-book-scandal/collection_a2f0dbfe-f118-11e5-8404-3b398e2fe206.htmlHow fucked are any of us if the client list is revealed, say you're one of those clients who was never "interviewed" by the agents but still on the list. Would we be getting an agent coming to visit, a call, anything? Would it end up on our records as a charge?
I'm pretty sure as long as you don't say anything or get busted in the act you're fine, but I'm not too sure about the rest.
How fucked are any of us if the client list is revealed, say you're one of those clients who was never "interviewed" by the agents but still on the list. Would we be getting an agent coming to visit, a call, anything? Would it end up on our records as a charge?
I'm pretty sure as long as you don't say anything or get busted in the act you're fine, but I'm not too sure about the rest.The Little Black Book was released for political purposes. My memory is fuzzy, but I'm not aware that anyone in the Black Book was ever prosecuted. As a mater of fact, they thinking about prosecuting the agency owner and her lawyers of destroying evidence because they shredded a good portion of the book's contents.
IceCityX1221
11-09-23, 13:08
Messaged a girl I know who used to work for some of these agencies. Confirmed that BostonTopTen, SAG / LLVA, and maybe BEG were the ones targeted. She's worried about BEG because they used to be affiliated with BTT, but she hasn't been back in over a year because she thought Tysons / DC customers were too rough.
Regardless it's going to be slow for a while because all agencies will be wary of sending girls here.
JsppsgFun4
11-09-23, 13:09
Reading over the charging document. What stood out is how much information was put in this document. DOJ is / was under no obligation to do that in the charging document. This was done to send a message to all involved. Put it another way the information within that document is likely just the tip of the iceberg and what they were willing to publicly reveal at this time. Scary times indeed.
Stay safe.www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/amp/
Interesting take from a former federal prosecutor. Hinting at what he believes is the underlying reasons behind what happened yesterday.
IronClad999
11-09-23, 13:29
Messaged a girl I know who used to work for some of these agencies. Confirmed that BostonTopTen, SAG / LLVA, and maybe BEG were the ones targeted. She's worried about BEG because they used to be affiliated with BTT, but she hasn't been back in over a year because she thought Tysons / DC customers were too rough.
Regardless it's going to be slow for a while because all agencies will be wary of sending girls here.Site seems still up at this point and one of the wagyus from NYC is making her tour at beg now so we can visualize the power effects soon.
IronClad999
11-09-23, 13:32
Looks like it's back to AMPs for a while. SA, LLVA, and AG have all said they don't save customer information for everyone's safety so, hopefully that's true.Most of them don't save, but hard to tell for discreetstory cas their site is still up and they have the hardest / strictest screening protocols and can be used to BL / hold against clients that are bad if not properly handled by management.
WillGuyMar
11-09-23, 13:55
Messaged a girl I know who used to work for some of these agencies. Confirmed that BostonTopTen, SAG / LLVA, and maybe BEG were the ones targeted. She's worried about BEG because they used to be affiliated with BTT, but she hasn't been back in over a year because she thought Tysons / DC customers were too rough.
Regardless it's going to be slow for a while because all agencies will be wary of sending girls here.It was BEG and BTT because they were run by the same people in Boston. Not saying your source is wrong, but the charging document provides clarification. Fwiw, it doesn't mention SAG / LLVA and their affiliate in NY's site is still up. Even tweeted recently. They didn't require near the info BEG asked.
Member #6464
11-09-23, 15:13
It was BEG and BTT because they were run by the same people in Boston. Not saying your source is wrong, but the charging document provides clarification. Fwiw, it doesn't mention SAG / LLVA and their affiliate in NY's site is still up. Even tweeted recently. They didn't require near the info BEG asked.Forgive my naivety and simpleton mind. .
But what is the difference between Drug Dealers / drug users and Agency Owners / Johns?
Since when did the Feds or LEO's go after drug users?? Johns don't make money from these ' shady' activities just like the poor drug users. Unless their is an ulterior motive to go after the Johns since they are affluent people (given the expense) and being WHITES from upper middle class.
Forgive my naivety and simpleton mind. .
But what is the difference between Drug Dealers / drug users and Agency Owners / Johns?
Since when did the Feds or LEO's go after drug users?? Johns don't make money from these ' shady' activities just like the poor drug users. Unless their is an ulterior motive to go after the Johns since they are affluent people (given the expense) and being WHITES from upper middle class.They go after drug users to identify the drug pushers. Hold a charge over your head and you will tell all you know about who you know. You can likely substitute drug user with any other criminal action. Like maybe John's?
Messaged a girl I know who used to work for some of these agencies. Confirmed that BostonTopTen, SAG / LLVA, and maybe BEG were the ones targeted. She's worried about BEG because they used to be affiliated with BTT, but she hasn't been back in over a year because she thought Tysons / DC customers were too rough.
Regardless it's going to be slow for a while because all agencies will be wary of sending girls here.It was BEG and BTT. Read the charging document that has been provided in the thread.
Member #6464
11-09-23, 17:00
They go after drug users to identify the drug pushers. Hold a charge over your head and you will tell all you know about who you know. You can likely substitute drug user with any other criminal action. Like maybe John's?Yes, that's right and that's what they did in the last year to build a case.
But now that the operation is over and the drug dealers (using the analogy) are caught, why go after the drug users?
RedRocks1968
11-09-23, 17:23
You're not thinking clearly. Releasing names of people who never made appointments, never committed a crime, would be a disaster. If you actually saw a provider between the dates listed, you should be worried. If you sent them info, but never paid for sex, there's nothing to worry. They would need records from email and phone to even prove you were the one who sent the info. If you did go to these locations, you are on camera going to a known location for illegal paid sex. Simple as that. Who knows how they will decide which men they prosecute? Maybe big names, maybe little, maybe a mix of both?
They have names, addresses, telephone numbers, work information and driver's licences. Even if you never made an appointment, it's loss to be outed for most.
www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/amp/
Interesting take from a former federal prosecutor. Hinting at what he believes is the underlying reasons behind what happened yesterday.Interesting point of view. Having been in that world in previous lives, they are overstating, in this context, the connection between espionage and AAMPs. Sex used as an espionage tool usually involves one person and takes place after a relationship has been built over a period of time, such as Swallwell's Chinese girlfriend. I can't imagine building up the kind of relationship with even the most gorgeous AAMP girl to the point where you would give her classified documents. Also, the situation has to be blackmailable. Until the Trump era, most espionage was committed out of greed. A foreign intelligence service would really have to have the right girls seducing the right people for a long time to get to the point that they would need money to support their hobby. If these AAMPs were really being used as an intelligence collection front, individual girls would stay in one location for longer than a couple of weeks and they would have to be trained foreign intelligence agents.
WillGuyMar
11-09-23, 17:46
Interesting point of view. Having been in that world in previous lives, they are overstating, in this context, the connection between espionage and AAMPs. Sex used as an espionage tool usually involves one person and takes place after a relationship has been built over a period of time, such as Swallwell's Chinese girlfriend. I can't imagine building up the kind of relationship with even the most gorgeous AAMP girl to the point where you would give her classified documents. Also, the situation has to be blackmailable. Until the Trump era, most espionage was committed out of greed. A foreign intelligence service would really have to have the right girls seducing the right people for a long time to get to the point that they would need money to support their hobby. If these AAMPs were really being used as an intelligence collection front, individual girls would stay in one location for longer than a couple of weeks and they would have to be trained foreign intelligence agents.My 2 c is that is that the RISK of this being an intel blackmail operation is too high for the investigators to resist given the locations and clientele, so they're going that route to make sure and justify their unusually detailed prosecution. As far as whether this really was an operation, well, call me a bit skeptical. The Chinese idea seems far-fetched: Koreans getting in bed with Chinese intel? Sure about that? It's more plausible that it's a mafia style extortion op if anything. BUT wouldn't we hear about it if that was the case?
How fucked are any of us if the client list is revealed, say you're one of those clients who was never "interviewed" by the agents but still on the list. Would we be getting an agent coming to visit, a call, anything? Would it end up on our records as a charge?
I'm pretty sure as long as you don't say anything or get busted in the act you're fine, but I'm not too sure about the rest.I'm not saying it will definitely happen, but anyone who's ever had a clearance knows it can be put at risk over non-criminal issues. If the list is (oops, my bad!) leaked, or if it's shared with other govt agencies using "national security" as the justification, that could be a problem.
Forgive my naivety and simpleton mind. .
But what is the difference between Drug Dealers / drug users and Agency Owners / Johns?
Since when did the Feds or LEO's go after drug users?? Johns don't make money from these ' shady' activities just like the poor drug users. Unless their is an ulterior motive to go after the Johns since they are affluent people (given the expense) and being Whites from upper middle class.Things that used to be classified as garden variety prostitution or pimping have gained new life, and been elevated in status, using the trafficking label. That's not to say that real trafficking doesn't exist, only that the label is now being used as a pretext to turn what would previously have been shrugged over into an "OMG, this is horrible" kind of thing.
There is a shitload of state and federal dollars sloshing around and directed at task forces and other so-called anti-trafficking efforts. Prosecutions like this one get lots of publicity and ensure the flow of public money never dries up.
Your tax dollars at work! (sarc off).
I'm not saying it will definitely happen, but anyone who's ever had a clearance knows it can be put at risk over non-criminal issues. If the list is (oops, my bad!) leaked, or if it's shared with other govt agencies using "national security" as the justification, that could be a problem.More likely to come up in a PR polygraph, especially a full-scope lifestyle version or in a reinvestigation in the "moral turpitude" realm.
My 2 c is that is that the RISK of this being an intel blackmail operation is too high for the investigators to resist given the locations and clientele, so they're going that route to make sure and justify their unusually detailed prosecution. As far as whether this really was an operation, well, call me a bit skeptical. The Chinese idea seems far-fetched: Koreans getting in bed with Chinese intel? Sure about that? It's more plausible that it's a mafia style extortion op if anything. BUT wouldn't we hear about it if that was the case?We also have to keep in mind that these were DHS cops and not "real" cops. DHS is in the threat business and how they continue to get our taxpayer dollars is to create threats that only they can eliminate.
The only way I could imagine this intelligence scenario going down is something like this:
1. Guy with clearance visits AAMP.
2. AAMP big bosses know he has a clearance and puts on an extortion scheme: "Pay up or we tell your commander. "
3. Guy runs out of money.
4. Guy sells secrets to restore positive cash flow.
Great stuff for TV.
I'm not saying it will definitely happen, but anyone who's ever had a clearance knows it can be put at risk over non-criminal issues. If the list is (oops, my bad!) leaked, or if it's shared with other govt agencies using "national security" as the justification, that could be a problem.So basically as long as you don't have a clearance or aren't high up in any organization / company there's a good chance they won't come for you as they're looking to punish people up the totem pole?
That and given the precedent of the DC madam scandal where that lost was never leaked there's a good chance that won't happen either?
Bob O Rama
11-09-23, 18:59
Check out paragraph 71 of the report (1st paragraph of page 41):
"Investigators have identified a number of deposits from various covid related relief funds flowing into the accounts, as well as some cash, money order, and P2 P payments, on a much smaller scale than the check funding movement. ".
Just a guess, but it's possible they were targeted for misusing covid relief funds. We all know full well that the government isn't interested in "saving" these women. But when you steal money from them, you certainly get their attention.
So basically as long as you don't have a clearance or aren't high up in any organization / company there's a good chance they won't come for you as they're looking to punish people up the totem pole?
That and given the precedent of the DC madam scandal where that lost was never leaked there's a good chance that won't happen either?The smaller the fish, the higher the likelihood it will escape the shark!
Shocking how nobody who visited the island got charged, but consenting adults have to sweat for something that should be considered legal. Many of the monger are kind law abiding citizens, who most likely lonely or rejected by the wife need to worry about getting exposed and lives destroyed. You can engage in illegal drugs or murder babies and be completely fine. We can drink and smoke which is harmful, but god forbid you have sex. They use sex because it's as basic as eating and for now they can't make that illegal. I hope everyone is safe and a valuable lesson is Learned. Never share you pi, just keep looking. If it's not crazy sb it's always something. In closing I believe in a woman's choice and I also believe in a man's choice to be with who he wants, as long as it's consensual. My work gives me Greece and nobody cares. I do it for the little money! We all sell our bodies and nobody should be punished for consensual sex.
Hope everyone that just gave away their PII stops freaking out. You already gave it up, can't get it back from those people. Learn your lesson and move on.
P.S.-if you really think the agencies "erased" your PII after the verification. Hahahahaha sure they did.
NightHawk 1967
11-09-23, 19:53
The savior part of this bust be really lame. I be loving these gals for long time and I never ever think they be "slaves" like DHS call them in the news conference. They in it for the green for sure and that it. LE know this too.
Summerinthecity
11-09-23, 20:26
It was BEG and BTT. Read the charging document that has been provided in the thread.Was there ever a website named Happy Together or Happy something? I know they ran out of that APT building in Moasic which was one of the target apartments in the law doc.
Was there ever a website named Happy Together or Happy something? I know they ran out of that APT building in Moasic which was one of the target apartments in the law doc.Multiple agencies have used that building. The only one targeted in this investigation was BEG.
www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/amp/
Interesting take from a former federal prosecutor. Hinting at what he believes is the underlying reasons behind what happened yesterday.Maybe, but seems more likely to go the way of the Epstein case, which had far more prominent clientele and actual trafficking, not just what passes for it in dramatic news conferences.
BallerTbakflsl
11-09-23, 21:39
Went to BEG like 2-3 weeks ago and used Zelle. I am an idiot.
Multiple agencies have used that building. The only one targeted in this investigation was BEG.The affidavit seemed to indicate most of the surveillance took place in MA. That would've really been something had everyone gotten swept up in one fell swoop. Wonder which state the confidential source was busted in, and if she was an owner or a player, so to speak.
Went to BEG like 2-3 weeks ago and used Zelle. I am an idiot.Relax don't get worked up over it. The only thing that will reduce your fears is time.
NightHawk 1967
11-09-23, 22:44
Ok dudes. I notice my favorite NOVA place already clean up the act and takes the prices and other shit like measurement off the site. Next things we knows business tank and they pull up stakes and head outs like K-pops. Shit. NYC and Montreal too far for weekly bangs.
So, anybody had Ada yet? Support your local agency LOL. PM is OK.
BallerTbakflsl
11-09-23, 22:55
Just asking. Curios. Hypothetically.
Derilious89
11-09-23, 23:04
The savior part of this bust be really lame. I be loving these gals for long time and I never ever think they be "slaves" like DHS call them in the news conference. They in it for the green for sure and that it. LE know this too.I liked the part in the document where they claim that one of the owners was 'locking' the door when he left apartments as a way to keep the girls locked in and act as implicit threat to work. Dude was just probably just locking the door to be extra safe about someone randomly walking in without the girl's permission. The cops had to stretch so hard to try and point to some sort of coercion and make it look like they actually did something good.
NightHawk 1967
11-10-23, 00:27
I liked the part in the document where they claim that one of the owners was 'locking' the door when he left apartments as a way to keep the girls locked in and act as implicit threat to work. Dude was just probably just locking the door to be extra safe about someone randomly walking in without the girl's permission. The cops had to stretch so hard to try and point to some sort of coercion and make it look like they actually did something good.That lockdown shit be real funny. I not do BEG, but I beens to so many other place where I knows the gals is free as birds.
I bang a gal in a NYC joint in summer and was nearby the shop next day at Starbucks waiting to do another gal. Lo and behold first gal walks in shop laughing and acting like a princess with another working gal and order a frap. She look real good in street clothes and I just about say her "hi baby, want to date?" but I had to get to other date LOL.
Another time a gal gave me digits and lo and behold we fuck all week for discount at my hotel. I read all other kinds of stories like this. These gals not on lockdown for sure. Just like weed and booze this hobby need be legal.
Things that used to be classified as garden variety prostitution or pimping have gained new life, and been elevated in status, using the trafficking label. That's not to say that real trafficking doesn't exist, only that the label is now being used as a pretext to turn what would previously have been shrugged over into an "OMG, this is horrible" kind of thing.
There is a shitload of state and federal dollars sloshing around and directed at task forces and other so-called anti-trafficking efforts. Prosecutions like this one get lots of publicity and ensure the flow of public money never dries up.
Your tax dollars at work! (sarc off).Good point, JmSuttr. Cops, do-gooders, and other activists like to slap the "trafficking" label on not only prostitution but porn these days, even if everyone involved is participating voluntarily and without coercion. It's a good way to keep the federal, state, and private foundation grants coming in.
Ideally the best solution is to legalize the hobby. There's no reason the government should prosecute consenting adults' activities simply because an exchange of money is involved. But that would require a willingness on the part of officeholders to change the laws against the hobby. That could still be a career-killer even with the changes in the public's attitudes toward sex over the last few decades.
By the way, it's good to see you posting again.
This is why I don't like and avoid screenings and photos. The last thing ya want is them getting access to a database of clients after busting a group and being on it.
If you share info use fake photos, burners, and never give real name/job/etc. Be safe boys! My personal logic that always pisses them off... Never give you real information to some 304 that won't give you her real first name.
What sucks is work was sending me up this weekend but I guess it's better to happen before I head up than during. Be safe boys!
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/feds-to-announce-sophisticated-high-end-brothel-network-bust-in-mass-va/3184748/
FYI, taking a break!
Bob O Rama
11-10-23, 03:17
Only a matter of time before this all blows over. The owners will likely not face any jail time, at least not for prostitution or human trafficking. Just look at Wikipedia on Prostitution in the US: "Prostitution is illegal in the vast majority of the United States as a result of state laws rather than federal laws". There's no reason for federal agencies, like the DOJ and DHS, to get involved with suspected prostitution, as that's relegated to the state level. So now all they've got is human trafficking. But good luck getting those Korean women to testify. It should be noted that not a single news article mentioned that the authorities took these Asian women in for questioning. When you don't even have your main source of evidence in human trafficking cases (in this case, the women), what else have you got? Not much, so the cases will likely be tossed.
At best, they can probably hit the owners with money laundering or racketeering. So, some jail time is possible. But not much.
New agencies will pop up using different names. Probably run by the same people.
People on the so-called client list are safe. Having your name on a list is not evidence of a crime committed. Even sending text messages discussing payment for sex is not sufficient. They would need to catch you in the act to prove you engaged in prostitution. The agencies are not sting operations. There are no cameras set up inside the apartments.
AznAficianado
11-10-23, 03:18
One good thing that might come out of this is that we all collectively wake up and refuse to comply with these unreasonable screening requirements. If we refuse to hand over our PII to these agencies, they will stop requiring it. They have no legitimate need for our PII. But yet they do need our business, and will adapt to more reasonable screening like in years past.
Another observation. The affidavit says that surveillance has gone on for months and that they've interviewed 20 mongers. But yet no intel on this was reported. Makes me wonder how many investigations are currently going on against agencies, and how many guys are being flipped by the feds right now on agencies that are still operating. If you see something, say something!
Also, have you noticed that sometimes these agencies bring it on themselves. One agency has papasan in the hallway directing mongers. As I just said, the residents of that building might see something and also say something.
Hope everyone that just gave away their PII stops freaking out. You already gave it up, can't get it back from those people. Learn your lesson and move on.
P.S.-if you really think the agencies "erased" your PII after the verification. Hahahahaha sure they did.I recently tied to screen with DS and they asked me for numerous pieces of PII and I declined. The only reason I can think why they ask for so much personal info is that it gives them a level of power over you because you cannot tell how a guy is going to behave when he's alone with a girl based on his DL, his job, etc. The best way to screen to see if he's well behaved is via other ladies he's seen. Co-sign on the comment that if we collectively refuse to give up PII they'll be forced to stop asking for it or they'll go out of business; but unfortunately there will also be a few weak links in the hobby chain that will cave and send it thus ruining it for everyone.
WillGuyMar
11-10-23, 08:58
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/boston-brothel-mass-sex-trafficking/3186274/
"But who those sex buyers were remained a mystery on Thursday. Federal authorities were mum on the subject at the news conference, saying that any arrests for the purchase of sex would happen at the state level. ".
That may be a dash of morning comfort for many of you. Steve Descano is the total opposite of a tough on crime "community morals" crusader. Hell, he may congratulate some of you for being charitable to the ladies. I jest, but you get my point.
NightHawk 1967
11-10-23, 11:18
Ok dudes. I notice my favorite NOVA place already clean up the act and takes the prices and other shit like measurement off the site. Next things we knows business tank and they pull up stakes and head outs like K-pops. Shit. NYC and Montreal too far for weekly bangs.
So, anybody had Ada yet? Support your local agency LOL. PM is OK.Yep. My fave NOVA place now has cut back to one gal. Next stop close. Support your local agencies or go backs to jackin off for a while!
IceCityX1221
11-10-23, 12:23
It was BEG and BTT because they were run by the same people in Boston. Not saying your source is wrong, but the charging document provides clarification. Fwiw, it doesn't mention SAG / LLVA and their affiliate in NY's site is still up. Even tweeted recently. They didn't require near the info BEG asked.Yeah she confirmed BEG / BTT later, she thinks the other sites are just laying low for now. Lots of places are just pulling out and laying low until they see what happens. Sucks for guys that can't get to LV or LA, but going to be slim pickings.
Last time I talked to her before this was August and she was supposed to start transitioning to helping them with apartments / hotel bookings and interviewing new girls, but I guess that's on hold for now.
DarkStar58
11-10-23, 12:57
Went to BEG like 2-3 weeks ago and used Zelle. I am an idiot.Don't worry about it; unless you are a high-profile individual (security clearance, politician, ect), or known bad actors participating in trafficking as suggested in the affidavit the Feds are not going to bother chasing down a Class 1 Misdemeanor (Va state law) for Solicitation or Frequent a Bawdy Place. That maybe passed down to the state level investigators. IMO I doubt very seriously at the state level there are enough resources to investigate and then chase down each regular Joe Shmoe to eventually tie up the court system for a bunch of Class 1 Misdemeanors which is equivalent to a DUI / DWI, as I said that's just my opinion.
As for a peer to peer payment there is no burden of proof unless they have no evidence for something you may have purchased or more so that you actually showed up at a specific location tying your payment to a time and date.
All that being said just caulk it up to lesson learned, no PII and its cash only.
Only a matter of time before this all blows over. The owners will likely not face any jail time, at least not for prostitution or human trafficking. Just look at Wikipedia on Prostitution in the US: "Prostitution is illegal in the vast majority of the United States as a result of state laws rather than federal laws". There's no reason for federal agencies, like the DOJ and DHS, to get involved with suspected prostitution, as that's relegated to the state level. So now all they've got is human trafficking. But good luck getting those Korean women to testify. It should be noted that not a single news article mentioned that the authorities took these Asian women in for questioning. When you don't even have your main source of evidence in human trafficking cases (in this case, the women), what else have you got? Not much, so the cases will likely be tossed.
At best, they can probably hit the owners with money laundering or racketeering. So, some jail time is possible. But not much.
New agencies will pop up using different names. Probably run by the same people.
People on the so-called client list are safe. Having your name on a list is not evidence of a crime committed. Even sending text messages discussing payment for sex is not sufficient. They would need to catch you in the act to prove you engaged in prostitution. The agencies are not sting operations. There are no cameras set up inside the apartments.As I posted earlier, while it's unlikely that clients will get caught up in the criminal case, anyone who has a security clearance may still have cause for concern. That means govt employees and contractors, of which I'm sure some are on the client list, are potentially at risk.
Two things could happen: A willful or "accidental" release of client info, or a behind the scenes sharing of info with security clearance adjudication agencies. At this point there's no way to know if either of those would happen, but any client who tried to dispute or challenge might have to go public to do so, which carries its own set of problems. This is likely more of a concern in the VA and DC area than it is in MA, but still too early to sound the "all clear" signal.
About the defendants, I've only skimmed the publicly released info, but I've seen charges related to trafficking, money laundering, and identity theft. Activity that might ordinarily fall under state laws gets bumped up to the federal level once it crosses state / intl borders, or otherwise involves interstate commerce (which includes a wide range of things). Hard to say what kind of sentences they're facing as a lot will depend on how much money they're alleged to have laundered. And, while I haven't seen specifics, I wouldn't be surprised to see a denial of bail, or a really high bail amount, based on the possibility of flight risk.
About the alleged "trafficking" victims, the feds will likely roll out a whole host of carrot-and-stick incentives. For example, if any of the women acted as on-site mamasans (holding $, or any kind of management activity), they could be charged as a co-conspirator. Someone like that would be a good target to flip in exchange for a plea deal. For other women, allowing them to remain in the US (carrot) vs deportation (stick) is a likely tactic. Hard to say what any individual woman will do, but it only takes one or two for the "trafficking" charges to stick. And it's also normal practice to not put all of your evidence into a publicly available affidavit. I'm guessing that interviews of clients and providers have already taken place, but that info is not required to be disclosed unless the case goes to trial AND a specific individual is on the witness list.
Lots of stuff yet to unfold. Stay tuned!
P.S. Will new agencies pop up? Absolutely! The world's oldest profession is resilient in the extreme. Run by the same people? Highly risky for them unless they run things from outside the US, in a country where extradition is unlikely. Repeat offenders in the federal system tend to get slammed pretty hard.
Only a matter of time before this all blows over. The owners will likely not face any jail time, at least not for prostitution or human trafficking. Just look at Wikipedia on Prostitution in the US: "Prostitution is illegal in the vast majority of the United States as a result of state laws rather than federal laws". There's no reason for federal agencies, like the DOJ and DHS, to get involved with suspected prostitution, as that's relegated to the state level. So now all they've got is human trafficking. But good luck getting those Korean women to testify. It should be noted that not a single news article mentioned that the authorities took these Asian women in for questioning. When you don't even have your main source of evidence in human trafficking cases (in this case, the women), what else have you got? Not much, so the cases will likely be tossed.
At best, they can probably hit the owners with money laundering or racketeering. So, some jail time is possible. But not much.
New agencies will pop up using different names. Probably run by the same people.
People on the so-called client list are safe. Having your name on a list is not evidence of a crime committed. Even sending text messages discussing payment for sex is not sufficient. They would need to catch you in the act to prove you engaged in prostitution. The agencies are not sting operations. There are no cameras set up inside the apartments.Rebrands, new crews, websites and locations should do the trick. No way human trafficking sticks. All the girls I have seen took this as a job like any other, but this one pays a lot more. Thinking this has to do with Politics and elections right now. By next year it's going to be all about Fentanyl crisis.
Went to BEG like 2-3 weeks ago and used Zelle. I am an idiot.If you don't have a security clearance, then I wouldn't lose any sleep about it. IMO, it's unlikely that any individual client will get dragged into the criminal case. And, even if you do have a clearance, it's likely that your info is at the bottom of a list of hundreds (thousands?) of other clients. Also, considering how long the affidavit is (60 pages!) it must have taken weeks to draft / finalize / approve, which means the evidence that was gathered to support it would come from an even earlier time. The feds might have continued gathering info, but at some point they run into diminishing returns. No guarantees, of course, but being at the bottom of the list, if you're even on it at all, is better than other scenarios. Of course, if you were a regular, with lots of visits and Zelle transactions, your exposure (no pun intended) will be higher.
FWIW, most mongers have screwed up at some point. Hopefully it's not too serious and can serve as a learning experience. Trading PII for access to pussy is a risky proposition. Too risky for me, others can decide for themselves.
TheeBoyFellow
11-10-23, 15:53
Looking for some recs. Any girl with some energy and decent looks. Has anyone seen any girls from BO or APC that hit the spot? There are no reviews for Ami or Sakura on here yet.
TheeBoyFellow
11-10-23, 15:59
Any info on Berry? There is some info from a TER review a few months ago. Same girl?
Was there ever a website named Happy Together or Happy something? I know they ran out of that APT building in Moasic which was one of the target apartments in the law doc.HappyTogetherVA was in Mosaic pre pandemic. When they came back to the area after a hiatus I think they were in a Tysons Apt complex.
Hard to believe that no one who posts on these boards (or other review sites) wasn't picked up. Unless we're just the 1% of the 1% who like to chat about it. When I was in a MP in MoCo that got busted while I was there you're damn right I was posting about it when I got home.
ClassySemite
11-10-23, 17:30
I've been seeing girls in BEG, Boston10, blossom, angels, AG, BO, and a ton of other places the last several weeks consistently multiple times a week and no one has reached out to me. They have all my PI too. I'm not worried, but I told my lawyer just in case.
HappyTogetherVA was in Mosaic pre pandemic. When they came back to the area after a hiatus I think they were in a Tysons Apt complex.
Hard to believe that no one who posts on these boards (or other review sites) wasn't picked up. Unless we're just the 1% of the 1% who like to chat about it. When I was in a MP in MoCo that got busted while I was there you're damn right I was posting about it when I got home.Something like 20 johns squealed out of the thousands of visits that have taken place over 3 years. It's statistically possible, but then there's also more than just this board after all.
I've been seeing girls in BEG, Boston10, blossom, angels, AG, BO, and a ton of other places the last several weeks consistently multiple times a week and no one has reached out to me. They have all my PI too. I'm not worried, but I told my lawyer just in case.It's ironic that, in spite of their requests for intrusive levels of PII from us clients, they still got busted. I don't think it was us they needed to worry about.
Meddoc1973
11-10-23, 19:30
AP:
Ada: Not the girl in the picture. Not even close. Face was okay but body flabby. She left quickly. She stopped here for few days en route to Chicago. So agency don't care.
Blue:
Berry: big face and not the girl in the picture. Maybe agency used ultra filter and removed 50 lbs. Disappointed. Left quickly after 5 seconds.
Taking a break from low quality. Super glad I have SB.
I'm confused how beg still appears to be operating. The site is up still and seemingly updated. Someone mentioned that they have visited recently. How can this be? I understand if they are continuing surveillance but if the alleged operators have been arrested. Confused.
Derilious89
11-10-23, 20:52
It's ironic that, in spite of their requests for intrusive levels of PII from us clients, they still got busted. I don't think it was us they needed to worry about.Ironically, it was 100% "us" who got them busted. From the report, they had nothing but money laundering until they got the mongers to flip. Dudes straight up admitted to everything as they were walking out and handed over their phones for corroboration LOL. I mean, I get the fact that a lot of mongers are trying to hide cheating, but it's comical to read that report and see how everything is built around the testimony of the mongers. I still don't know why you wouldn't just say that you went there to vent, talk, and cuddle with the girl. Ask them to give you play by play of what happened in room and if they did somehow have evidence, then you can sing to your heart's content. Otherwise, as lawyers will tell you, STFU.
PII can help filter out bad customers and potentially cops from getting in the door, but it can't help the agencies protect themselves from customers pooping their pants at the first tough question from a cop.
Ironically, it was 100% "us" who got them busted. From the report, they had nothing but money laundering until they got the mongers to flip. Dudes straight up admitted to everything as they were walking out and handed over their phones for corroboration LOL. I mean, I get the fact that a lot of mongers are trying to hide cheating, but it's comical to read that report and see how everything is built around the testimony of the mongers. I still don't know why you wouldn't just say that you went there to vent, talk, and cuddle with the girl. Ask them to give you play by play of what happened in room and if they did somehow have evidence, then you can sing to your heart's content. Otherwise, as lawyers will tell you, STFU.
PII can help filter out bad customers and potentially cops from getting in the door, but it can't help the agencies protect themselves from customers pooping their pants at the first tough question from a cop.I would like to think that every one of us has already formulated how to respond to a cop stopping us when we leave (either on foot or at a contrived traffic stop). I guess a lot of guys buy into the classic cop extortion lie of "Tell me everything and I'll make sure the judge goes easy on you. " You've got to have the worse-case scenario figured out even before you go to the ATM machine.
I would like to think that every one of us has already formulated how to respond to a cop stopping us when we leave (either on foot or at a contrived traffic stop). I guess a lot of guys buy into the classic cop extortion lie of "Tell me everything and I'll make sure the judge goes easy on you. " You've got to have the worse-case scenario figured out even before you go to the ATM machine.Future agencies should include the Shut the fuck up Friday video for all their mongers within the text instructions when they open up again. Imagine how funny that would be, korgs informing mongers of their rights.
Look like BO is down I can't access it.
VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.
For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.
Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.
If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.
NightHawk 1967
11-11-23, 02:56
Yep. My fave NOVA place now has cut back to one gal. Next stop close. Support your local agencies or go backs to jackin off for a while!I guess I jack off between trips to NY and Philly now.
APC and BO have gone underground it seems.
VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.
For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.
Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.
If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.
What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.Checkout the Billy Murphy videos on youtube, he is a famous Baltimore City defense attorney and good at his job.
Blue and apc websites are gone.
VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.
For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.
Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.
If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.You know, I think I get why I was never stopped now. I usually parked in that massive parking lot by the target about 2 blocks away and I'd enter the Barnes and Noble since I always got there a few minutes. Same with JJ clubs, I'd park in the mall, walk around a bit then enter once I got called in. Why the hell would any of you park so close?
Looks like apc and bo have disappeared without a trace.
ClassySemite
11-11-23, 11:12
Gents, we need to keep fucking these wonderful women so they stick around and visit our neck of the woods. Trying to decide who to visit now. Maybe Jisoo.
It's ironic that, in spite of their requests for intrusive levels of PII from us clients, they still got busted. I don't think it was us they needed to worry about.Absolutely. I understand they do it for their own safety but something has got to be enhanced in the process to do this with more anonymity but still be safe.
LuckyLuciano00
11-11-23, 11:45
Looks like apc and bo have disappeared without a trace.They'll be back. Sooner or later they'll come back. They always do.
What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.This is a bit of a different discussion, but overall you should be doing the same level of STFU, arguably more so.
Police are trained to get information out of you and are legally allowed to lie to you to do so. Not to get too much into this discussion, but you should always record every interaction you have with police, related to our shared hobby or otherwise. The moment they cross the line with what they can legally do to you to get that information, their body cam footage will, unsurprisingly, be hard or expensive to acquire, so you want a recording that starts off belonging to you--for a civil rights lawsuit.
I watch a lot of Audit the Audit and Lackluster on youtube.
This is a bit of a different discussion, but overall you should be doing the same level of STFU, arguably more so.
Police are trained to get information out of you and are legally allowed to lie to you to do so. Not to get too much into this discussion, but you should always record every interaction you have with police, related to our shared hobby or otherwise. The moment they cross the line with what they can legally do to you to get that information, their body cam footage will, unsurprisingly, be hard or expensive to acquire, so you want a recording that starts off belonging to you--for a civil rights lawsuit.
I watch a lot of Audit the Audit and Lackluster on youtube.Here's a link to the ACLU with information on being stopped. https://www.acluva.org/en/know-your-rights/police Pretextual stops are covered here too.
What's crazy to me is BEG site is still up!! WT F?
LoveDemAzn
11-11-23, 14:18
They'll be back. Sooner or later they'll come back. They always do.They all just waiting for everything to cool down, picking a new location or how they operate. Seeing how beg went down, they probably considering how to operate.
I went to this place back in Jan 2022, I didn't have to give them my pii, I got verified from ter and JJ club. I found an old text I sent them.
Thank you. She's great, dude outside in car made me so nervous and man in lobby. They had a fed look to be them I was nervous I almost left. But they left when I was done. Maybe I was Too paranoid.
And they responded with.
No worry no one knows. Thanks .
I've learned never give your private info. Stay safe gentle mongers but even back then I think the place was being watched.
Their websites are down.Website has them "on vacation". Hmm.
Happytogetherva.com
"Prosecutors love to go after high-level folks because they can make a name for themselves," Mr. Rahmani said.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/
LoveDemAzn
11-11-23, 17:05
I went to this place back in Jan 2022, I didn't have to give them my pii, I got verified from ter and JJ club. I found an old text I sent them.
Thank you. She's great, dude outside in car made me so nervous and man in lobby. They had a fed look to be them I was nervous I almost left. But they left when I was done. Maybe I was Too paranoid.
And they responded with.
No worry no one knows. Thanks .
I've learned never give your private info. Stay safe gentle mongers but even back then I think the place was being watched.Usually you don't need to give PII if you a reliable agency to vouch for you. But most OG like DS probably won't take BG JJ or BO as a reference since they are so easy to get in. Also member shouldn't bring post the exact building where these agency are. All we have to do is give out the city name. My guess is fed was digging into the dude that did the fraud COVID relief program and stumble on the agency. Just follow the money.
Never lie.
And remember the script.
THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.
"Why did you pull me over?
(When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?
"I'm not discussing my day. ".
"Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).
" I invoke the fifth".
FYI: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/.
Are APC and BO closed? Or are they operational still and just websites are down? I've seen BO reports on TER posted just yesterday, which makes me think they're still up and running. Maybe they're allowing only limited clients to enter?
TheBigBoy11
11-11-23, 22:46
Are APC and BO closed? Or are they operational still and just websites are down? I've seen BO reports on TER posted just yesterday, which makes me think they're still up and running. Maybe they're allowing only limited clients to enter?Also curious, hopefully they are taking a break.
Have to start hunting for new ones now.
SaintPolycarp
11-12-23, 01:24
Eros.com has over 98 high-end prostitutes available only in DC area right at this moment and with Tryst 114! These bitches have the real list of the most powerful figures of the United States of America! But MTF Feds don't persue these bitches, fucking bigots! Let us watch how this circus show will be ended!
FYI: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/.
IronClad999
11-12-23, 10:39
Never lie.
And remember the script.
THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.
"Why did you pull me over?
(When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?
"I'm not discussing my day. ".
"Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).
" I invoke the fifth".This is universal protocol to avoid any dramas; thanks hung.
Eros.com has over 98 high-end prostitutes available only in DC area right at this moment and with Tryst 114! These bitches have the real list of the most powerful figures of the United States of America! But MTF Feds don't persue these bitches, fucking bigots! Let us watch how this circus show will be ended!Most, if not all, of the women on Eros and Tryst are independents. It's harder to make a trafficking case against indies, and "trafficking" is a ready gateway for the feds to get involved.
Also, I don't think these cases are about specifically targeting providers who might have high-profile client lists. It seems to me that the article is simply pointing out what prosecutors are likely to do when such a list falls into their hands.
I know this thread is dedicated to agencies, but I made the point in the News and Media thread that (IMO) independent providers are a safer way to go.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9226-News-and-Media-Reports&p=6672253&viewfull=1#post6672253
Never lie.
And remember the script.
THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.
"Why did you pull me over?
(When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?
"I'm not discussing my day. ".
"Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).
" I invoke the fifth".IMHO, it's important to strike a good balance between asserting your rights and avoiding unnecessary confrontation with LE. That's simply because a pissed off cop is more likely to go out of their way to screw with you. You might be 100% correct, but they have 1000 different ways to f*ck with you.
I saw one idea I thought was pretty good. It suggested adopting a faux-confused attitude, as though you don't understand what's going on. Then, because you're so "confused," you tell the cops that you feel like you should talk to a lawyer before talking to them. The "L" word invokes the 6th amendment, which should be a (less confrontational, IMO) trigger for the questioning to stop. If LE persists, continue being "confused" and apologetic, while remaining firm about wanting to talk to an atty first. Just my two-cents' worth.
LuckyLuciano00
11-12-23, 15:33
How long do you all think the agencies will be on vacation? My guess is they'll be back after Thanksgiving.
IceCityX1221
11-12-23, 15:47
Rebrands, new crews, websites and locations should do the trick. No way human trafficking sticks. All the girls I have seen took this as a job like any other, but this one pays a lot more. Thinking this has to do with Politics and elections right now. By next year it's going to be all about Fentanyl crisis.My friend is an FBI agent and he confirmed, this reads like a corruption case with FBI saying "look we did a thing" right before election season ramps up. He thinks local PD, politicians, high profile people might face pressure to resign or be exposed, but it's unlikely anything happens with the full black book.
Side note, seems like APC and BO websites down. I'm guessing they did this just to lay low for now?
CuriousVaMan
11-12-23, 17:58
Excellent lecture from Law Professor James Duane. Well worth the watch.
https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=4AZvUzz2JuSQ_qHA
Derilious89
11-12-23, 22:01
The problem remains that it only takes one monger pooping himself to bust the agency. For all we know, cops could have tried to turn 500 guys and only gotten actionable intel from like the 20 ish they referenced in the document. The important part for every guy is to understand that you are a individual in the case. They can't tie others actions to yourself. The only way they can arrest you is if you they have cameras in the room when you do the deed (and even that might be questionable since most of the girls don't even look at the envelope, though it seems like the new J-girls are more like to do it since it's something done in Japan). Don't text explicit stuff and even put in some text about "enjoying the time talking about work" or something for some plausible deniability on your side.
This can't save you from LE going rogue and outing you to your family or something, but you should always be aware what constitutes evidence for arrest. LE going out of their way to out you to your family is a whole different story, and one that may even be a legal case you can push for unlawful activity on their part.
The problem remains that it only takes one monger pooping himself to bust the agency. For all we know, cops could have tried to turn 500 guys and only gotten actionable intel from like the 20 ish they referenced in the document. The important part for every guy is to understand that you are a individual in the case. They can't tie others actions to yourself. The only way they can arrest you is if you they have cameras in the room when you do the deed (and even that might be questionable since most of the girls don't even look at the envelope, though it seems like the new J-girls are more like to do it since it's something done in Japan). Don't text explicit stuff and even put in some text about "enjoying the time talking about work" or something for some plausible deniability on your side.
This can't save you from LE going rogue and outing you to your family or something, but you should always be aware what constitutes evidence for arrest. LE going out of their way to out you to your family is a whole different story, and one that may even be a legal case you can push for unlawful activity on their part.It's unlikely that anyone will be individually outed to their family. That would not only be stupid, from a PR standpoint, but would also (as you mentioned) leave prosecutors and LE open to legal actions.
If, for whatever reason, they want to out people publicly, the smarter way to do it is to either find some kind of pseudo-legal pretext or else find some way to orchestrate an "accidental" release that can't readily be traced to anyone. I'm sure there are a number of slimy, publicity-hungry media outlets that would be willing to assist.
It's the non-public use that should be most concerning to some. While flat-out blackmail is unlikely to happen, knowledge is power and some high ranking officials may be faced with a choice between resignation or becoming the subject of a separate (non-criminal) investigation. Most govt officials have some kind of security clearance, and that's the likeliest method of arm-twisting I can think of.
And, since govt and private sector bigwigs tend to benefit from a double standard, it's probable that they'll be allowed to handle their problems differently than the smaller fish. They have influence and stuff to bargain with. It's the lower and mid-level guys who are more likely to get screwed, and not in a good way. Suspension or revocation of a clearance is a career-ender. The feds don't have to tell your family anything because it'll be up to you to explain why you lost your job and are unemployable in your (former) chosen field.
Note: Just for clarification, I'm not saying any of this Will happen, only that it's possible and anyone who thinks they may be at risk should prepare for worst-case scenarios. Also, for those who are still inclined to trade PII for access to pussy, these are some of the associated risks.
KylerMurray
11-13-23, 02:54
I still miss XOC boys. Pretty Russian and EE women at a fairly affordable price (when comparing to indy market). The upcharges were goofy but they literally were bringing in 8/10 minimums with most being 9's and dimes. The game needs a replacement badly.
I still miss XOC boys. Pretty Russian and EE women at a fairly affordable price (when comparing to indy market). The upcharges were goofy but they literally were bringing in 8/10 minimums with most being 9's and dimes. The game needs a replacement badly.If you're going in the way back machine. I miss travelingbrazilians. My favorite was a legit former miss Brazil.
I still miss XOC boys. Pretty Russian and EE women at a fairly affordable price (when comparing to indy market). The upcharges were goofy but they literally were bringing in 8/10 minimums with most being 9's and dimes. The game needs a replacement badly.XOC and BEG / BTT shared many similarities. Multiple girls on tour at multiple cities at the same time. Girls from eastern part of Europe vs eastern part of Asia. Good value for the consistent to impressive level of service and quality. Reliable to SOTA booking process. Some girls do multiple repeated tours and some do one or two tours and are never seen again. Some are university graduates and regional athletes. And to top it all, some girls are good enough to have worked as models or singers, and this is their best option to earn good money quickly. Never was there any hints that any of them are compelled into this line of work by "force, fraud or coercion," the essential elements of legal trafficking. May both XOC and BEG / BTT rest in peace.
RJKing1221
11-13-23, 11:18
I know everyone is talking about the busts.
My usual are shutdown llva, sa, apc, bo.
Where is one supposed to go in the interim?
KylerMurray
11-13-23, 12:58
If you're going in the way back machine. I miss travelingbrazilians. My favorite was a legit former miss Brazil.Isn't that agency still around? They primarily bring girls thru to Conn. And Baltimore? They have brought a few girls to Tysons. I used that shop before. They rebranded to lviplist I believe.
Is it better for agency to have girls incall in hotel only as opposed to an apartments?
Is it better for agency to have girls incall in hotel only as opposed to an apartments?A hotel room is significantly more expensive than renting an apartment or condo.
A hotel room is significantly more expensive than renting an apartment or condo.Oh okay I see.
Derilious89
11-13-23, 20:30
Is it better for agency to have girls incall in hotel only as opposed to an apartments?Apartments are cheaper for the agency and easier to deal with logistically; laundry rooms in the apartment for towels and sheets, bigger spaces / ladies get a place to relax, kitchens for food. All the same reasons people prefer a home over living in a hotel.
The apartments are also a nicer experience for mongers. I find that the condo setup just feels "homey", the room can be customized for better views, there is a sense of familiarity in going to the same place, etc.
SaintPolycarp
11-13-23, 20:46
Most, if not all, of the women on Eros and Tryst are independents. It's harder to make a trafficking case against indies, and "trafficking" is a ready gateway for the feds to get involved.
Also, I don't think these cases are about specifically targeting providers who might have high-profile client lists. It seems to me that the article is simply pointing out what prosecutors are likely to do when such a list falls into their hands.
I know this thread is dedicated to agencies, but I made the point in the News and Media thread that (IMO) independent providers are a safer way to go.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9226-News-and-Media-Reports&p=6672253&viewfull=1#post6672253We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst. Link and all those girls on those escort platforms have pimps. Unfortunately, Feds circus show ended short. Federal judges hate prostitution case, and now USA is responsible to protect and care for the victimless victims. HSI and MA government must protect and care those girls they arrested. If those namely victims reappear in this field as sex workers, USA is responsible for allowing the namely victims into the sexual exploitation by the US citizens!
TheBigBoy11
11-13-23, 21:10
I know everyone is talking about the busts.
My usual are shutdown llva, sa, apc, bo.
Where is one supposed to go in the interim?I have the same question, LOL.
Website is down. Didn't think they were related to what I saw on the news.
I still miss XOC boys. Pretty Russian and EE women at a fairly affordable price (when comparing to indy market). The upcharges were goofy but they literally were bringing in 8/10 minimums with most being 9's and dimes. The game needs a replacement badly.XOC was good in the earlier days and I had some fun times with good looking girls, but toward the end they really sucked and I stopped using their service. The girls had severe GPS issues, often under-deliver than promised. My last straw was this girl who listed as CIM greek, but did neither, and after first shot in 30 minutes asked me to shower while I still had 30 min left. I asked second? "no. " massage? "no". I sat there for 5-10 minutes and got pissed off and left. I've complained to the booker but nothing happened.
AG looks like they're still up and running.
I have the same question, LOL.
I know everyone is talking about the busts.
My usual are shutdown llva, sa, apc, bo.
Where is one supposed to go in the interim?It takes a bit of homework, but there are plenty out there who don't require PII. Use the various forums to research well-reviewed providers and ask questions, if needed. I know this is an agency-focused forum but, considering current circumstances, safety is an understandable concern. The agencies you cited are certainly concerned about their own safety, which is why they've hit the pause button.
Website is down. Didn't think they were related to what I saw on the news.Yes they must have heard the news decided to pause their operation who know when they will back.
SaintPolycarp
11-14-23, 14:45
We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst, and all the so-called "indie" girls on those escort platforms have very organized pimps and / or security guards. Unfortunately, Feds' recent circus show ended short, too short! Federal judges hate prostitution cases, and now USA must be responsible for the victimless victims. If those arrested in MA reappear in this field as sex workers, USA will be blamed for its bullshit bigotry for letting these namely victims into the sexual exploitation by the US citizens!
Derilious89
11-14-23, 14:54
Website is down. Didn't think they were related to what I saw on the news.It's not about being related or busted, but about being safe. After a major, national-news bust, most places are going to keep their head down in case local cops decide to look for their own glory and get a bust as well. Additionally, I imagine that a ton of mongers starting calling in sick and cancelling appointments so there may be less cash to go around. Finally, some of the girls who were planning to come in might also decide to skip Boston and DC for awhile, or just take a short vacation as a whole until the heat dies down.
There are new reviews on the other site. How?
Are they open in va?
There are new reviews on the other site. How?
Are they open in va?All of those reviews could have been before the shutdown or fake reviews.
There are new reviews on the other site. How?
Are they open in va?It typically takes a few days for the reviews to get written & submitted and a few days for them to be reviewed and posted.
It's not about being related or busted, but about being safe. After a major, national-news bust, most places are going to keep their head down in case local cops decide to look for their own glory and get a bust as well. Additionally, I imagine that a ton of mongers starting calling in sick and cancelling appointments so there may be less cash to go around. Finally, some of the girls who were planning to come in might also decide to skip Boston and DC for awhile, or just take a short vacation as a whole until the heat dies down.This. Def I think so too.
It typically takes a few days for the reviews to get written & submitted and a few days for them to be reviewed and posted.I assumed that also.
". man up and vanished like a fart in the wind".
We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst, and all the so-called "indie" girls on those escort platforms have very organized pimps and / or security guards.https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2422
It doesn't matter what you or I think. It only matters what the feds can prove in court. The relevant statute reads, in part, as follows:
(a) Whoever knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, to engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
There are additional statutes in play (18 USC 1343/1952/1956/2421, etc.) but for the sake of brevity I chose just one. If you use the link above and plug in the different statute numbers you'll see more info. I've skimmed through the search warrant affidavit and, considering that it likely contains only a portion of the evidence gathered by the feds, it looks like a slam dunk case, IMO. As far as judges are concerned, I'll be highly surprised if this ever goes to trial. In the face of such strong evidence any competent attorney will try to negotiate a plea deal. If there's no trial, a judge's role will be limited to ruling on pre-trial matters like discovery, etc.
One thing to watch for is whether the defendants are permitted to proceed separately. Their lawyers will certainly request that and the feds will argue against it. If they're allowed to separate their cases from each other, things will get more complicated and take longer. I don't expect any charges against providers so, if they're involved at all, it'll probably be as witnesses. If that happens, the feds will carefully pick a woman who has a "coerced victim" story to tell. But I'm just thinking out loud because, as I said earlier, I doubt this will go to trial.
P.S. The individual providers will probably be referred to Victim / Witness Services. Some may be sent back to their home country while others might be allowed to stay. If any go back to being sex workers, the govt will simply say that they were offered legit alternatives. I highly doubt there will be any negative blowback on the feds. And, even if there is, they won't care.
We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst. Link and all those girls on those escort platforms have pimps. Unfortunately, Feds circus show ended short. Federal judges hate prostitution case, and now USA is responsible to protect and care for the victimless victims. HSI and MA government must protect and care those girls they arrested. If those namely victims reappear in this field as sex workers, USA is responsible for allowing the namely victims into the sexual exploitation by the US citizens!What you, or I, or any monger on USASG thinks is irrelevant. The feds have the defendants by the short hairs, pure and simple.
We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst, and all the so-called "indie" girls on those escort platforms have very organized pimps and / or security guards. Unfortunately, Feds' recent circus show ended short, too short! Federal judges hate prostitution cases, and now USA must be responsible for the victimless victims.Tax evasion, money laundering, and profiting from prostitution. I speak to some of those providers semi-regularly even when they are not here, they are 100% independent. The real crime was them making money. All of this needs to be legalized and properly taxed.
TommyDawson
11-14-23, 22:39
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2422
One thing to watch for is whether the defendants are permitted to proceed separately. Their lawyers will certainly request that and the feds will argue against it. If they're allowed to separate their cases from each other, things will get more complicated and take longer. I don't expect any charges against providers so, if they're involved at all, it'll probably be as witnesses. If that happens, the feds will carefully pick a woman who has a "coerced victim" story to tell. But I'm just thinking out loud because, as I said earlier, I doubt this will go to trial.This is interesting.
I wonder what mongers who went to BEG should be rooting for.
A quick plea deal would draw less media attention.
But if this draws out, and states don't want to proceed until it ends, the statute of limitations would start to kick in for more people as the days go by.
TommyDawson
11-14-23, 23:34
From the affadavid:
"23 Precise location information for Virginia Brothel Phone 2 received beginning on or about October 27,2023 through the date of this Affidavit placed it generally in a location other than Massachusetts. The location and holder of that device remains under investigation. While indeed Virginia Brothel Phone 2 is listed on Brown Eye Girl website, agents who interviewed customers who received prostitution services from the Virginia brothel locations learned that those customers communicated with Virginia Brothel Phone 1. ".
Sounds like the 2277 phone number was with someone other than the three people that got arrested. Possible the feds only got the 8262 phone.
SaintPolycarp
11-15-23, 02:12
If BTT group are found guilty of sex trafficking then all of the Korean, Chinese, Russian, Latina, Japanese, Vietnamese, White or Black or Brown or Pink or Rainbow escorts with their patronizing pimps and drivers and assistances are done. However, the federal court in MA hates this situation. This is exactly why, unlike HSI's ambitious affidavit, MA DOJ has intentionally been using such benign expressions as "high-end brothel", "commercial sex act", "commercial sex buyers", "prostitution" instead of "sexual exploitation", "sex trafficking". And now MA AG has to prove if there was any commercial sex act that was induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age to move forward with the full accusations of HSI. In any case, this is fucking bullshit bigotry, fuck BTT! Who cares?
The general consensus on the Boston thread seems to be that this will blowback harder than expected. Definitely recommend anyone involved stay up to date on the thread.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?32529-Boston-Top-Ten
It's not about being related or busted, but about being safe. After a major, national-news bust, most places are going to keep their head down in case local cops decide to look for their own glory and get a bust as well. Additionally, I imagine that a ton of mongers starting calling in sick and cancelling appointments so there may be less cash to go around. Finally, some of the girls who were planning to come in might also decide to skip Boston and DC for awhile, or just take a short vacation as a whole until the heat dies down.This is the real lasting damage here for all of us. And things were just getting good with plenty of influx of K-girls and J-girls!! Now it's back to 2016!
If BTT group are found guilty of sex trafficking then all of the Korean, Chinese, Russian, Latina, Japanese, Vietnamese, White or Black or Brown or Pink or Rainbow escorts with their patronizing pimps and drivers and assistances are done. However, the federal court in MA hates this situation. This is exactly why, unlike HSI's ambitious affidavit, MA DOJ has intentionally been using such benign expressions as "high-end brothel", "commercial sex act", "commercial sex buyers", "prostitution" instead of "sexual exploitation", "sex trafficking". And now MA AG has to prove if there was any commercial sex act that was induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age to move forward with the full accusations of HSI. In any case, this is fucking bullshit bigotry, fuck BTT! Who cares?Not sure what your source is for that statement. Federal judges are a diverse bunch, so I don't see how a blanket statement can be made about any federal district.
Consider, for example, that if a judge with conservative leanings is assigned to the case, they're likely to have a negative view of the defendants because of their negative view about prostitution. OTOH, if a judge with liberal leanings is assigned to the case, they're likely to have a negative view of the defendants because of their negative view about (alleged) trafficking and victimization of women. Hard to see how this isn't a lose-lose for defendants.
Also, if the federal court in MA is truly an inhospitable environment, prosecutors could indict and pursue the case in VA. If they don't, that would seem to suggest they're not very concerned. As for what MA might do, I don't live there so I haven't been following local news and views. While (IIRC) it's not technically double-jeopardy for both the feds and MA to prosecute for the same activity, it does present some conflicts. For example, if the feds pursue asset forfeiture, then MA can't really go after the same pot of money. MA and VA could still move forward, but they'll obviously need to coordinate everything with the feds, and the fed prosecution will take precedence.
About the search warrant affidavit, it has only one purpose, to establish probable cause to search locations and seize evidence. The actual charges for trial will be in the indictment, which hasn't yet been issued. That's the next shoe to drop and it's my guess the feds are using what they found in the searches to finalize the indictment before presenting it to a Grand Jury. That will contain the info most relevant to what a judge and jury will be asked to consider, not the SW affidavit. So stay tuned!
Other provider agencies are obviously watching developments closely, and will certainly make adjustments. Just thinking out loud, one thing they might do is more clearly separate operations in different states. That's easier said than done, but it's the interstate aspect that gives the feds their best opening for involvement. Another possibility is changing to a "sex club" model. They could sell memberships that entitle members to a certain number of visits per month to the "club," and whatever happens during those visits is a private matter between individuals. The sticky point (pun intended) to that scenario is figuring out how to pay the providers in a way that sidesteps the "$ for sex" problem.
This isn't the first agency bust, nor will it be the last. Agencies will adapt, as will clients. It's my hope that, at a minimum, mongers will be shaken out of their complacency about the risks of giving up their PII. Just. Don't. Do. It.
This is the real lasting damage here for all of us. And things were just getting good with plenty of influx of K-girls and J-girls!! Now it's back to 2016!I contacted a few independents I have seen before and most of them have already increased their rates. I assume they are getting more demand now.
I contacted a few independents I have seen before and most of them have already increased their rates. I assume they are getting more demand now.Most suckers will pay, then later complain about prices going up.
Derilious89
11-15-23, 16:27
First off, I've been reading both the VA and Boston boards and there is way too much worry going around. People are acting like this is some unique, game-changing event; it's happened multiple times in the last decade to varying degrees. Multiple agencies have gotten busted in NOVA over the past few years, it's only that this is a federal case due to the interstate aspect. You guys need to read the damn charging document. There is no evidence of prostitution, just testimony from the mongers who got flipped (it's not applicable to you). Unless the owners were secretly recording people (document doesn't allege that), then there should be no evidence of your getting your willy wet unless you were literally stupid enough to say you were paying for explicit acts. Honestly, I'm pretty sure the agency would have banned you for doing that, anyway. It just feels like there is way too much hand-wringing over this when the deed is done and there is very little evidence (in the document and from past experience) about random joes getting arrested. If you're really that scared of the police, admit your sins to your wife now so it doesn't surprise her later since that is the most likely thing to happen (and that percent is super, super low as well).
Nothing is going to change in the agency market, as well. There may be a downtime as the heat dies down, but the agencies will assuredly be back. There may be some changes to a different business model, but I'm even less convinced of that. Agencies will just work to silo their operations more, be safer with their laundering, and be more strict with screening and explicit talk.
It's also annoying to see a bunch of mongers post asking for information or about how scared they are and yet we never saw them make any reports.
LoveFromFrank
11-15-23, 18:23
It's unlikely that anyone will be individually outed to their family. That would not only be stupid, from a PR standpoint, but would also (as you mentioned) leave prosecutors and LE open to legal actions.
If, for whatever reason, they want to out people publicly, the smarter way to do it is to either find some kind of pseudo-legal pretext or else find some way to orchestrate an "accidental" release that can't readily be traced to anyone. I'm sure there are a number of slimy, publicity-hungry media outlets that would be willing to assist.
It's the non-public use that should be most concerning to some. While flat-out blackmail is unlikely to happen, knowledge is power and some high ranking officials may be faced with a choice between resignation or becoming the subject of a separate (non-criminal) investigation. Most govt officials have some kind of security clearance, and that's the likeliest method of arm-twisting I can think of.
And, since govt and private sector bigwigs tend to benefit from a double standard, it's probable that they'll be allowed to handle their problems differently than the smaller fish. They have influence and stuff to bargain with. It's the lower and mid-level guys who are more likely to get screwed, and not in a good way. Suspension or revocation of a clearance is a career-ender. The feds don't have to tell your family anything because it'll be up to you to explain why you lost your job and are unemployable in your (former) chosen field.
Note: Just for clarification, I'm not saying any of this Will happen, only that it's possible and anyone who thinks they may be at risk should prepare for worst-case scenarios. Also, for those who are still inclined to trade PII for access to pussy, these are some of the associated risks.If you're a blue collar worker who doesn't require a secret clearance or some other deep dive of what you have done up until now, you're most likely safe in the legal aspect as long as you didn't let the little head convince you to lease an apartment for girls to work out of. That said, depending on the level of clearance and what agency you work for, that's another story. Feds LOVE busting other Feds and LE for misconduct. It sucks and this kind of service SHOULD be legal but alas, that's not the letter of the law as it stands.
They'll be people pushing for a list as it is a sexy salacious story to hear about a politician or lawyer that has actively convict those of engaging in sec services and ends up being a customer. People would eat that shit up.
RedRocks1968
11-15-23, 19:13
I'm not here to be a dick but it's obvious most commenting about the legal risks have not A) read the public affidavit and B) do not even have a basic understanding of the legal system in these matters. No mongers "gave up" information the feds didn't already know. There was surveillance for months, they started stopping guys to AFFIRM what they already knew, build their case. If you read it and you've been in this game for any time you also realize how inept LE can be. For instance surmising that when they see some old man locking the door from the outside means these woman are trafficked against their will. Also this was called "high end escort service". Compared to what? Streetwalkers? There are escorts who rightfully charge $1500-$3,000 an hour. The girls of BO and BTT hardly rank in that category. If you have given them your info, and paid for sex with one of their girls during the times (read) of their operation, you should be worried. It's unlikely, but just think this through. You are at risk. This hobby is risky. End of story. Anyone speculating about what will happen is guessing unless they are sitting in on the conversations the state attorneys might be having over what to do. They have many options and none of us know the end game here. The idea they would just "out" a customer and that media is "starving for these stories" is again, just guess work. It is not likely you will end up in the news, but you could have trouble if you went to this place of known prostitution (they have enough evidence for a case on this) you could be in trouble. Any lawyer would tell you the same. All this "well they have to catch you right in the middle of sex and then prove you paid by recording or witnessing the exchange of money" is bulljunk, as Prime would say. I have a good friend in Chicago who was arrested and jailed in a sting for simply stopping and asking a girl (undercover) "how much for half and half"? Done. Cost him tens of thousands to get out of conviction and have his record expunged. Not trying to worry anyone but you could be at risk if you went there during their operation. No one but the state attorneys managing the case knows what comes next.
Derilious89
11-15-23, 21:04
No mongers "gave up" information the feds didn't already know. There was surveillance for months, they started stopping guys to AFFIRM what they already knew, build their case. Not to be a dick here, but everybody "knows" what's going on. Spend a couple weeks investigating and you can understand the whole game on the process works. But the affirmation is the most part; they need to have a witness to corroborate the story. So yes, mongers "gave up" information because everything before that point was an unfounded assumption (juries won't indict or convict on it). The customers are the ones who corroborate the story and then, worse yet, gave them text messages to reinforce their own corroboration.
All this "well they have to catch you right in the middle of sex and then prove you paid by recording or witnessing the exchange of money" is bulljunk, as Prime would say. I have a good friend in Chicago who was arrested and jailed in a sting for simply stopping and asking a girl (undercover) "how much for half and half"? Done. Cost him tens of thousands to get out of conviction and have his record expunged.I think your friend is downplaying what he said or did to save face. But if he's being honesty, and no offense to your friend, he's a moron. Don't mention money and you don't get hit with solicitation; it's a simple concept and one of the few ways you can easily get arrested. If a girl propositions you for sex, you should never, ever say "how much?" Dude buried himself and it's why everyone says to not be stupid over text. IMO, don't give an example of someone being stupid and literally engaging in open solicitation of a crime as a example to prove that the cops will get you. They need hard evidence or strong intent; your friend gave undisputed intent. Paying a girl to go to a room to hang out is neither hard evidence or strong intent. This has been proven time and time again in court.
IronClad999
11-15-23, 22:24
Most suckers will pay, then later complain about prices going up.More worse is when they pay and tried to fake it by posting false info online about discounts, but in reality, they are actually going utr feeding them and telling diff stories online. Its totally ruining the market.
First off, I've been reading both the VA and Boston boards and there is way too much worry going around. People are acting like this is some unique, game-changing event; it's happened multiple times in the last decade to varying degrees. Multiple agencies have gotten busted in NOVA over the past few years, it's only that this is a federal case due to the interstate aspect. You guys need to read the damn charging document. There is no evidence of prostitution, just testimony from the mongers who got flipped (it's not applicable to you). Unless the owners were secretly recording people (document doesn't allege that), then there should be no evidence of your getting your willy wet unless you were literally stupid enough to say you were paying for explicit acts. Honestly, I'm pretty sure the agency would have banned you for doing that, anyway. It just feels like there is way too much hand-wringing over this when the deed is done and there is very little evidence (in the document and from past experience) about random joes getting arrested. If you're really that scared of the police, admit your sins to your wife now so it doesn't surprise her later since that is the most likely thing to happen (and that percent is super, super low as well).
Nothing is going to change in the agency market, as well. There may be a downtime as the heat dies down, but the agencies will assuredly be back. There may be some changes to a different business model, but I'm even less convinced of that. Agencies will just work to silo their operations more, be safer with their laundering, and be more strict with screening and explicit talk.
It's also annoying to see a bunch of mongers post asking for information or about how scared they are and yet we never saw them make any reports.We haven't seen the actual charging document yet. As I posted earlier today:
"About the search warrant affidavit, it has only one purpose, to establish probable cause to search locations and seize evidence. The actual charges for trial will be in the indictment, which hasn't yet been issued. That's the next shoe to drop and it's my guess the feds are using what they found in the searches to finalize the indictment before presenting it to a Grand Jury. That will contain the info most relevant to what a judge and jury will be asked to consider, not the SW affidavit".
As to your other points, I agree that this isn't a unique event. I also agree that, absent exceptional circumstances, individual clients are unlikely to get dragged into the criminal case. That being said, some clients may not be out of the woods with respect to possible non-criminal fallout. I posted on the Boston board about relative risks. I'll also repost in this forum since it relates to the situation in VA as well.
This was in response to another member's post. Click the link if you'd like to read the entire conversation.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?32529-Boston-Top-Ten&p=6679747&viewfull=1#post6679747
Assuming the client list has hundreds or even thousands of names and numbers (I'm not a MA local, so you guys would have a better idea), it would make sense for the feds to dump all available info into a searchable database as a first step. The next step would be to assign analysts to do a deeper dive to find more info (Elected official? Govt employee? Public figure? Prior criminal record?) and dump that into the database. After that process is completed, prosecutors will be able to query the database for certain characteristics like security clearance holders, multiple visits, large dollar amounts, etc. Higher-profile clients will probably be on a list of their own, with more specialized and individual treatment. For the average Joe-Shmoe client, a lot will depend on what group they fall into.
The search warrant affidavit says "at least the summer of 2020" as a probable starting point for the investigation. No guarantees, and it's possible that state LE has info prior to that time, but it seems reasonable to believe that will be the approximate starting point for client concern. Of course, vigorous data collection would probably not have started until later, but it's impossible to say exactly when. And it's also not possible to know what kind of client info was obtained from the search warrants. All the electronic devices will be forensically analyzed, including "deleted" files that can be recovered.
Long story short, the further back in time, and the more "average" (lacking special characteristics) the client, the lower the relative risk, IMO. Also, depending on how many names are on the list, they could even put more restrictive parameters on their search criteria, such as only visits in the last year, or something similar to that. But there are no guarantees, obviously, and the list / database will be shared with MA and VA, who will have their own criteria and parameters.
SaintPolycarp
11-16-23, 09:56
MA Governor is a White Dem female, MA AG is a Black Dem female, Boston Mayor is an AsianTaiwanese Dem female, Cambridge Mayor is a MuslimPakistani Dem female. Only relevant male is the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, and he took over his predecessor (another Dem female)'s role due to her abuse of power. This guy has been nominated by the Dem pro-feminist POTUS, but his nomination is still "pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee". MA's fucked up! BTW, what happened to Hana's Frenchies? Anyone?
Well this agency has started today with the girl bunny amidst all this pig talk.
Well this agency has started today with the girl bunny amidst all this pig talk.Blast from the past http://www.happytogetherva.com/.
TommyDawson
11-16-23, 20:05
We haven't seen the actual charging document yet.There is a criminal complaint. Which I didn't see in previous versions of the affidavit.
A Fairfax defense attorney also did a writeup on the case.
MA Governor is a White Dem female, MA AG is a Black Dem female, Boston Mayor is an AsianTaiwanese Dem female, Cambridge Mayor is a MuslimPakistani Dem female. Only relevant male is the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, and he took over his predecessor (another Dem female)'s role due to her abuse of power. This guy has been nominated by the Dem pro-feminist POTUS, but his nomination is still "pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee". MA's fucked up! BTW, what happened to Hana's Frenchies? Anyone?It's certainly true that external pressures can be brought to bear in any criminal matter. But I would argue that the best way for pressure to be successful is to keep the case in question from ever seeing the light of day. With as many public disclosures (documents, press conferences, etc.) and as much media attention as we've seen in this case, it takes on a life of its own. This horse is not only out of the barn, but it's running strong and likely won't stop until it finishes the course.
Also, any politician who is viewed as trying to put their thumb on the scale, or influence / interfere in any way, is risking severe political damage and possibly political suicide. And if the acting US Attorney's nomination is still pending before the (Republican majority) Senate Judiciary Committee, then he has a vested interest in vigorously pursuing this prosecution. If that's indeed the case, then whatever the various state and local politicians want is unlikely to have much (if any) effect.
From what I've seen online, the next developments in the case are a Nov 22nd detention hearing for the two defendants arrested in MA, and the extradition process (from CA to MA) for the defendant arrested in CA. And sometime soon we should see the actual indictment. From all indications, it should happen in MA. But it could also happen in VA, which would be an interesting curveball.
Why'all feel comfortable going to the remaining K-shops right now?
Even the C-orgs (jgirls) have disappeared. I haven't had any Kgirls in what feels like forever. In reality its been like 2 weeks but now I am CRAVING something.
What to do, what to do. Honestly about to pack up the car and head to NYC or Philly for the weekend to partake, but even getting a bit wary of those cities. I feel like big brother LEO is watching everyone right now, shit man.
LuckyLuciano00
11-16-23, 23:48
Why'all feel comfortable going to the remaining K-shops right now?
Even the C-orgs (jgirls) have disappeared. I haven't had any Kgirls in what feels like forever. In reality its been like 2 weeks but now I am CRAVING something.
What to do, what to do. Honestly about to pack up the car and head to NYC or Philly for the weekend to partake, but even getting a bit wary of those cities. I feel like big brother LEO is watching everyone right now, shit man.Fucking BEG!! Imagine how smart you have to be to set up shop in the same place where BL got busted? Complete morons! BEG never appealed to me and thank God I never verified with those idiots. Thanks to those shitheads getting busted, I missed out on repeating with Nelly from BO AND got my appointment cancelled with Daphne from DS.
Anyways, I hope mongers visit the remaining K shops. It'll show them that business is back to normal and they can continue bringing in the babes. The current line up isn't my cup of tea but if they bring in somebody I like, I'll visit them in a heartbeat. Yeah, I know, I'm dying too. I miss BO. They had some nice J Girls but they'll be back. MP got busted a while back and they came back. They're just laying low for a bit. They're going to see that the K shops are back in business and they won't want to miss out.
I sound like I'm trying to reassure myself, LOL.
DrFeelGood98
11-17-23, 09:12
Blast from the past http://www.happytogetherva.com/.Do you know what name she used to go by?
I asked HT if she had been in the area before but they said that this was her first time in VA. She was probably with a different booker but just can't remember where.
Jacobs Patrick
11-17-23, 10:10
Doubt it was any political pressure. My guess is that the confidental source gave agents the EASY keys to kgirl castle (for an immigration deal) and those three asshatdumbassses let them in, read the affidavit.
IzziDizzi2
11-17-23, 10:39
Doubt it was any political pressure. My guess is that the confidental source gave agents the EASY keys to kgirl castle (for an immigration deal) and those three asshatdumbassses let them in, read the affidavit.Search terminal, only one to be stopped and questioned. My guess of Csource. Around spring.
IronClad999
11-17-23, 11:04
Blast from the past http://www.happytogetherva.com/.Anyone want to test this chick? LOL.
DMV Average Joe
11-17-23, 11:21
Anyone want to test this chick? LOL.Met her back in Dec 18' when HT was in that popular Mosaic building.
Skinny / slender / sexy MILF with great attitude and performance.
I might repeat if find time!
There is a criminal complaint. Which I didn't see in previous versions of the affidavit. A Fairfax defense attorney also did a writeup on the case.So far most of the legal action has happening in MA. With the intense media focus on this case, there should be something in news reports if a criminal complaint has been filed. Of course, the initial arrests would have been supported by a criminal complaint, so maybe that's what the Fairfax atty is talking about. And, if that's the case, those complaints would contain info substantially similar to what's in the search warrant affidavit.
But that won't be the final charging document, rather it's a placeholder until the actual indictment is handed down. And I continue to think that what's currently happening is that the evidence obtained in the searches is being evaluated to produce the strongest possible indictment. And, even once the initial indictment is handed down, that isn't necessarily the final word. The prosecution can file superseding indictments if they find more evidence.
Edit: I just went back and scanned thru the publicly released affidavit and it appears to my non-lawyer eye that the same document was used to support both the arrests and the search.
Doubt it was any political pressure. My guess is that the confidental source gave agents the EASY keys to kgirl castle (for an immigration deal) and those three asshatdumbassses let them in, read the affidavit.My point about political pressure is simply that, once a high-profile case has gone public, the ability of politicians to exert influence or pressure is greatly diminished. I wasn't making any point about the origin of the case.
I miss BO. They had some nice J Girls but they'll be back. MP got busted a while back and they came back. They're just laying low for a bit. They're going to see that the K shops are back in business and they won't want to miss out.How do you know that? When they get busted?
Jacobs Patrick
11-17-23, 18:02
My point about political pressure is simply that, once a high-profile case has gone public, the ability of politicians to exert influence or pressure is greatly diminished. I wasn't making any point about the origin of the case.These idiots were depositing LARGE quantities of CASH into their personal bank accounts and making money orders with the cash, read the affidavit. Not to mention, keeping everyone's personal information, is just the icing for a huge newsworthy story. Clearly, very low hanging fruit for the feds to grab.
ClassySemite
11-18-23, 09:16
I'm going to make the drive up to see her!! Maybe convince her to visit us here again.
I think BonerA posted Kora's real pics a couple years ago. They are still up. She was Seowoo / Bluestar / Suzy / Maya etc.
If you want to see her real pics: (click here) (http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33078-Hot-Young-Asian-Girls&p=5235091&viewfull=1#post5235091).I just found some more real pics of here too. I'm unable to attach the images like BonerA did, maybe someone can assist.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210506071531/https://www.foxylists.com/suzi
Anything is possible but it is very likely they will keep the client list under wrap because of potential legal liability. Some of the names and identities may be borrowed by other people and having the names in public may cause real personal, family, financial, business and professional damages which would lead to backlash and lawsuits. The Maine Zumba case was very unique. There were actual video recording and other evidences. About half of the reported 100 to 150 clients were charged including mayor, minister, firefighter and coach. That incident was 10 years ago and there has not been another case like that since.
Anything is possible but it is very unlikely they will go after everyone on the client list. It is going to take resources they don't have. Sexual conduct for a fee is a low priority enforcement item unless it causes public quality of life issues or complains. There just have not been that many stings and other enforcement actions in the recent past. They do it to squash down on the activity and in this case they have been very successful. It has been on local and national news very prominently. What would be the additional policy benefits of pursuing clients on the list? They will never say they would not pursue any client list. There are some people in the population who take the extreme position that sex work always involve human trafficking.
The BTT bust is another bust that happens from time to time. This too shall pass and others will rise up to meet demand which is not going away. Demand from every profession including our bros in LE. Back in the summer XOC was busted and there has not been any going after the clients. XOC was a much larger and better organized operation. The HSI affidavit on BTT listed 3 units in the same building and some very explicit texts which are probably not the best current practices in this line of business in my opinion.
Anything is possible but it is very likely they will keep the client list under wrap because of potential legal liability. Some of the names and identities may be borrowed by other people and having the names in public may cause real personal, family, financial, business and professional damages which would lead to backlash and lawsuits. The Maine Zumba case was very unique. There were actual video recording and other evidences. About half of the reported 100 to 150 clients were charged including mayor, minister, firefighter and coach. That incident was 10 years ago and there has not been another case like that since.
Anything is possible but it is very unlikely they will go after everyone on the client list. It is going to take resources they don't have. Sexual conduct for a fee is a low priority enforcement item unless it causes public quality of life issues or complains. There just have not been that many stings and other enforcement actions in the recent past. They do it to squash down on the activity and in this case they have been very successful. It has been on local and national news very prominently. What would be the additional policy benefits of pursuing clients on the list? They will never say they would not pursue any client list. There are some people in the population who take the extreme position that sex work always involve human trafficking..But it's important to remember that there are a variety of factors at play for each individual client, and not everyone is (yet) out of the woods. Risks remain for some, as I've posted about here:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33082-Agency-Discussion-and-Reviews&p=6673266&viewfull=1#post6673266
And here:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?32529-Boston-Top-Ten&p=6679747&viewfull=1#post6679747
All of which is simply to say that there's a balance between unwarranted worry, and a false sense of complacency, that every client will need to assess for themselves. For everyone not directly involved, hopefully this serves as a reminder about the risks of the hobby, esp when it comes to divulging personal info.
I'm going to make the drive up to see her!! Maybe convince her to visit us here again.
I just found some more real pics of here too. I'm unable to attach the images like BonerA did, maybe someone can assist.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210506071531/https://www.foxylists.com/suziCan you share the agency? I miss her so much. Truly a gem.
Don't you guys remember when BAD / EAA / RHF got busted? I don't think the client list ever got released.
I'm going to make the drive up to see her!! Maybe convince her to visit us here again.
I just found some more real pics of here too. I'm unable to attach the images like BonerA did, maybe someone can assist.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210506071531/https://www.foxylists.com/suziYESSSSSSSSSS. I'm right behind you, brother! LMAO.
Going to be a lot to be thankful for this Thanksgiving, hehehehe.
ClassySemite
11-18-23, 21:50
YESSSSSSSSSS. I'm right behind you, brother! LMAO.
Going to be a lot to be thankful for this Thanksgiving, hehehehe.HAHA my wife won't be thankful come Christmas time. I'm going to spend the money for multiple appointments fucking the absolute dog shit out of one favorite sluts the lovely Kora instead hehehehehe.
https://ibb.co/p0c3WXz
This pic of her is so hot too. Again I cannot figure out how to attach pics.
Jacobs Patrick
11-18-23, 21:55
I recently posted in the Boston forum that any individual prosecution will involve a cost-benefit calculation by local prosecutors. So I would ask the attorney about what tactics they might use to drive up the costs for the prosecution. Some items that come to mind would be demanding a jury trial and lots of pre-trial discovery. And also issuing witness subpoenas for as many federal agents and federal records as possible, esp those from MA. Since everything about this case appears to have originated in MA, it would seem reasonable to require testimony (and records) from those involved in developing the info that led to charges in VA.
Also, since the federal case is likely to take (much?) longer than cases at the local level, the feds will probably not want their info to be prematurely disclosed. If the feds are unwilling to provide witnesses and records, then that would seem to make the local case much harder, if not impossible, to prosecute.
The main idea being that, by driving up the costs for a garden-variety prostitution (or solicitation) case, a client might be able to get charges dropped or force some kind of favorable settlement. But it's possible that some of those tactics might be harder to pull off in a misdemeanor case, so it would be interesting to hear the opinion of an experienced attorney.The government has unlimited funds and time to prosecute these frivolous matters, while true murders / crimes ravage our inner cities. People are really scared; businesses are moving out. It's the wild west. Anyone can do whatever they want, but they focus on these three idiots. SAD.
ClassySemite
11-18-23, 21:56
Can you share the agency? I miss her so much. Truly a gem.Kovergirls!
Let's run a Virginia train on her haha!! I've heard a few girls complain that we fuck them too hard compared to NYC guys but I think kora will appreciate it hehe.
The government has unlimited funds and time to prosecute these frivolous matters, while true murders / crimes ravage our inner cities. People are really scared; businesses are moving out. It's the wild west. Anyone can do whatever they want, but they focus on these three idiots. SAD.As far as the feds are concerned, they have substantial (although not unlimited) funds. But they're prosecuting what, in their view, are serious felonies with lots of jail time and asset seizure potentially at stake. And they'll also be happy if they score some splashy publicity points.
The local prosecutors, OTOH, would be dealing with misdemeanors and the above factors don't apply. At the local misdemeanor level, assistant district attorneys are notoriously overworked and underresourced, which is why plea bargains are the order of the day. In fact, judges at that level get majorly pissed when cases are brought to trial that they think should have been settled. That's because the judges are also swamped and hate having their time wasted.
Different sandboxes, different rules. And that's why I suggested posing those questions to an experienced attorney who has played in both.
One final thought: Most (not all) of the murders and crime ravaging our inner cities fall under state law. They're felonies and efforts to deal with them take up the lion's share of the local LE (including prosecutors and courts) budget. Which leaves less of a share to handle misdemeanors.
SaintPolycarp
11-18-23, 23:19
A. K. A. Suzi in Vegas area was married, of course fraudulently, to a stupid guy in that area to get green card. But she ran away from her fake husband and got hooked on drugs. I know she can't work in Vegas because of her husband, he is still desperately searching for her. I did BBFS with her, but she was very passive and had no chemistry at all. I only remember she was repeatedly expressing how horrible her life is. Simply put, she's dangerous. I also heard from one of the bookers in Vegas area that she's already on the LEAs watch list. Most importantly, she's full of herself and got too fat. I know KG Hara was close to BTT Hana, it really interests me due to the timing of this *****'s sudden reappearance in NYC.
YESSSSSSSSSS. I'm right behind you, brother! LMAO.
Going to be a lot to be thankful for this Thanksgiving, hehehehe.
A. K. A. Suzi in Vegas area was married, of course fraudulently, to a stupid guy in that area to get green card. But she ran away from her fake husband and got hooked on drugs. I know she can't work in Vegas because of her husband, he is still desperately searching for her. I did BBFS with her, but she was very passive and had no chemistry at all. I only remember she was repeatedly expressing how horrible her life is. Simply put, she's dangerous. I also heard from one of the bookers in Vegas area that she's already on the LEAs watch list. Most importantly, she's full of herself and got too fat. I know KG Hara was close to BTT Hana, it really interests me due to the timing of this *****'s sudden reappearance in NYC.During her past visit to VA, she looked really good, seems like she lost all the weight, and a sex animal. I was really about to text her to verify and go up to NYC for a week to fuck the shit out of her. But I don't want to get verify again with the recent events and your reminder. And it seems like you can verify through her or kovergirls agency. I'll just have to wait till she comes back and see her then. Thanks for this. Almost fell for it again, I hate it when the little man took control LOL.
Kovergirls!
Let's run a Virginia train on her haha!! I've heard a few girls complain that we fuck them too hard compared to NYC guys but I think kora will appreciate it hehe.Funny, I've heard that the Philly guys are "strongest".
A. K. A. Suzi in Vegas area was married, of course fraudulently, to a stupid guy in that area to get green card. But she ran away from her fake husband and got hooked on drugs. I know she can't work in Vegas because of her husband, he is still desperately searching for her. I did BBFS with her, but she was very passive and had no chemistry at all. I only remember she was repeatedly expressing how horrible her life is. Simply put, she's dangerous. I also heard from one of the bookers in Vegas area that she's already on the LEAs watch list. Most importantly, she's full of herself and got too fat. I know KG Hara was close to BTT Hana, it really interests me due to the timing of this *****'s sudden reappearance in NYC.Too fat? LMAO. She was tight as hell when I banged her a couple months ago in NOVA.
Also, very passive and no chemistry / IOP you must be the only person ever to say that about her. Her IOP is insane, prob the best I ever experienced. The opposite of passive.
You sure you got the right girl?
ClassySemite
11-19-23, 19:29
Too fat? LMAO. She was tight as hell when I banged her a couple months ago in NOVA.
Also, very passive and no chemistry / IOP you must be the only person ever to say that about her. Her IOP is insane, prob the best I ever experienced. The opposite of passive.
You sure you got the right girl?Agreed. Her body was fit as hell!
Her reviews out of LA and LV are all YMMV that her service was not great and it seems that's where Saint fucked her. And based on her suzi reviews that's also where she offered bareback and creampies I'm assuming to makeup for the poor service.
But I think she loved us Virginia boys because her IOP was in fact insane! 😎.
ClassySemite
11-19-23, 19:31
Funny, I've heard that the Philly guys are "strongest".Hehehehe maybe all the brothas in Philly 😂.
But I hobby often in Philly too so if girls say they get it the "strongest" there than I'll take the credit 😎.
The government has unlimited funds and time to prosecute these frivolous matters, while true murders / crimes ravage our inner cities. People are really scared; businesses are moving out. It's the wild west. Anyone can do whatever they want, but they focus on these three idiots. SAD.As with most things, take things you hear with a grain of salt. Violent crime in the US has been trending DOWN, not up. Per 100 K people, the rate was 380 violent crimes in 2022, down from 387 in 2021, which was down from 385 in 2020. This was the 3rd lowest it's been since 1990. In fact, in the 90's, the rate was above 700 5 times in that decade. We are significantly safer from violent crime now than we used to be 30 years ago.
So, please, remember that before regurgitating a narrative being pushed by certain politicians that all politicians are liars, and you should look up the facts instead of trusting what they're telling you.
Agree that this particular "trafficking" sting is pure BS though.
Agreed. Her body was fit as hell!
Her reviews out of LA and LV are all YMMV that her service was not great and it seems that's where Saint fucked her. And based on her suzi reviews that's also where she offered bareback and creampies I'm assuming to makeup for the poor service.
But I think she loved us Virginia boys because her IOP was in fact insane! 😎.Yes, sir. She's a fking animal. We went at it for a full hour nonstop and she kept asking for more. Even if Suzi is her, she upgraded since then, a whole new level LOL. I'm jealous of the guys up in NYC. To the one in VA going up, do write review here to share with us brothers LOL.
To everyone going to see her, please convince her to come back to NOVA LOL.
SaintPolycarp
11-20-23, 08:21
I hate to admit it, but it seems she isn't someone I ever knew. Several confirmed Kora's new non-raw quality, and I trust them.
Too fat? LMAO. She was tight as hell when I banged her a couple months ago in NOVA.
Also, very passive and no chemistry / IOP you must be the only person ever to say that about her. Her IOP is insane, prob the best I ever experienced. The opposite of passive.
You sure you got the right girl?
ClassySemite
11-20-23, 11:40
I hate to admit it, but it seems she isn't someone I ever knew. Several confirmed Kora's new non-raw quality, and I trust them.Unless it's this girl you're definitely thinking of a different girl. Kora is a fit nympho and non-druggie!! Though it does appear she gave raw before as Suzi in LV.
https://ibb.co/p0c3WXz
https://web.archive.org/web/20210506071531/https://www.foxylists.com/suzi
To everyone going to see her, please convince her to come back to NOVA LOL.Seems like a lot of girls are steering clear of NOVA for the time being. I just had an appointment with a Philly girl (yes, I am that paranoid, I drove 3 hours to Philly for a nut) and she told me that. I don't think Kora will be coming down to NOVA but I could be wrong.
Join me and the other dude in the NOVA to NYC caravan of Kora fanboys, lmao.
Seems like a lot of girls are steering clear of NOVA for the time being. I just had an appointment with a Philly girl (yes, I am that paranoid, I drove 3 hours to Philly for a nut) and she told me that. I don't think Kora will be coming down to NOVA but I could be wrong.
Join me and the other dude in the NOVA to NYC caravan of Kora fanboys, lmao.Damn, props to you bro. Better to stay safe. If not NOVA, then convince her to go to Philly LOL. Philly is not bad of a drive haha.
Hehehehe maybe all the brothas in Philly 😂.
But I hobby often in Philly too so if girls say they get it the "strongest" there than I'll take the credit 😎.That's funny, I've heard them described as a needle dick brigade, and that Texan cowboys are sporting Coke can cocks.
Seems like a lot of girls are steering clear of NOVA for the time being. I just had an appointment with a Philly girl (yes, I am that paranoid, I drove 3 hours to Philly for a nut) and she told me that. I don't think Kora will be coming down to NOVA but I could be wrong.
Join me and the other dude in the NOVA to NYC caravan of Kora fanboys, lmao.We need a cooling off period. I'm sure they will be back. Nova is a large wealthy market. Anyone who comes before the end of the year will face the question. Too soon?
On one positive side, Suzie is back in the area for a visit.
Thinking about canceling my upcoming trip, are all the long standing k-agencies shutdown or unsafe?
Went through the first 5 pages, looks grim fellas.
Thanks!
Thinking about canceling my upcoming trip, are all the long standing k-agencies shutdown or unsafe?
Went through the first 5 pages, looks grim fellas.
Thanks!Not all. Asian Gem, Club Paradise and Discreet Story have girls at the moment.
Not all. Asian Gem, Club Paradise and Discreet Story have girls at the moment.Appreciate it sir, yall stay safe and I'll report back.
Seems like Kovergirls and our beloved Kora are on vacation for Thanksgiving, they took the girls off the site.
On that note, all Kora fanboys please PM me, I've found out some new information that you'd probably like to know, shit, I wish I knew it myself.
Anyways, guess we'll need to find new turkeys to stuff. I'm seeing Suzie today, will report back.
I miss the J girls and feel like life is incomplete for me. I remember my last visited was overwhelming.
Appreciate it sir, yall stay safe and I'll report back.Good luck getting into those agency client list, however. They were very hard to get in and often requires quite a bit of PII!
Not all. Asian Gem, Club Paradise and Discreet Story have girls at the moment.Is club paradise same as the asian paradise club that used to have j providers? Or completely different shop?
Is club paradise same as the asian paradise club that used to have j providers? Or completely different shop?Completely different CP have kgirls only.
AnonDemon69
11-22-23, 19:30
Appreciate it sir, yall stay safe and I'll report back.I tried messaging the other day to get verified but have not heard back. Radio silence. They are probably just booking with existing clients.
ClassySemite
11-22-23, 20:56
Unless it's this girl you're definitely thinking of a different girl. Kora is a fit nympho and non-druggie!! Though it does appear she gave raw before as Suzi in LV.
https://ibb.co/p0c3WXz
https://web.archive.org/web/20210506071531/https://www.foxylists.com/suziAnd a fresh new pic! Does anyone know how to un-blur the face in the pic below?? Is such a thing even possible LOL.
https://ibb.co/sggCtFv
A. K. A. Suzi in Vegas area was married, of course fraudulently, to a stupid guy in that area to get green card. But she ran away from her fake husband and got hooked on drugs. I know she can't work in Vegas because of her husband, he is still desperately searching for her. I did BBFS with her, but she was very passive and had no chemistry at all. I only remember she was repeatedly expressing how horrible her life is. Simply put, she's dangerous. I also heard from one of the bookers in Vegas area that she's already on the LEAs watch list. Most importantly, she's full of herself and got too fat. I know KG Hara was close to BTT Hana, it really interests me due to the timing of this *****'s sudden reappearance in NYC.Her husband was the one hooked on drugs and she was looking for him after he stole her money.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=607189&d=1614744930
And a fresh new pic! Does anyone know how to un-blur the face in the pic below?? Is such a thing even possible LOL.
https://ibb.co/sggCtFvYou can't unblur that type of picture.
I tried messaging the other day to get verified but have not heard back. Radio silence. They are probably just booking with existing clients.AG was an old go-to, haven't heard back yet.
I'll try DS and CP as well, granted all might be closed for the holiday.
Any other independent options in NOVA? Happy to reciprocate if you're in the South for a visit.
FinleySTvenson
11-23-23, 13:01
AG was an old go-to, haven't heard back yet.
I'll try DS and CP as well, granted all might be closed for the holiday.
Any other independent options in NOVA? Happy to reciprocate if you're in the South for a visit.Good to see another Southerner in the area. You won't get into either of those two especially in this climate unless you have a girl vouch for you. So if you have a contact that can help you out that may be the way to go. I doubt that they would be closed for Thanksgiving. DS especially was hard for me to get into.
Good luck.
SaintPolycarp
11-23-23, 14:31
Which one?
Her husband was the one hooked on drugs and she was looking for him after he stole her money.
Which one?Her husband from Las Vegas, the story you told is completely backwards.
ClassySemite
11-23-23, 22:32
Her husband from Las Vegas, the story you told is completely backwards.So SaintPolycarp did in fact see Kora before? I'm confused LOL.
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