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People CAN and DO QUIT ADDICTIONS all the time! Ever hear of people quitting their "nicotine" (tobacco smoking) addiction? Guess how most of them do it? That is right, COLD TURKEY! Yes, there are dangers to quitting some drugs like alcohol and benzodiazapines. Medical supervision, and medication withdrawals MAY be in order. But a person that really wants to quit and STAY QUIT from an addictive substance can do it with NO "relapse requirement" at all. I once had a client that said if she put HALF as much mental effort into staying off her "stuff" as she did into "scoring it" and ingesting it, then being and remaining clean would be as easy as breathing. Make a decision and stick to it. It IS that simple!I've been sober for over 40 years and I'm telling you this is just some stupid "just say no" Nancy Reagan shit. Addiction, all addiction, love, dope, smoking, gambling, ect is ENOURMOUSLY difficult to overcome, that's why so many fucking people try and try and try and try and fail and fail and fail and fucking die, and then along comes an asshole that says "just make a decision. ".
You just made everybody in the room dumber. I wish I was allowed to use the ignore button I swear to fucking god I wish I could.
A2.
MongJuanSilver
04-22-23, 11:03
So by your logic, all the people that relapse time and time again, or their bodies fight back or even quit on then, are all just weak-willed /-minded and didn't really want to be free of an addiction that's impacting their lives?
I guess this is the most appropriate part of the forums for that sort of post.
People CAN and DO QUIT ADDICTIONS all the time! Ever hear of people quitting their "nicotine" (tobacco smoking) addiction? Guess how most of them do it? That is right, COLD TURKEY! Yes, there are dangers to quitting some drugs like alcohol and benzodiazapines. Medical supervision, and medication withdrawals MAY be in order. But a person that really wants to quit and STAY QUIT from an addictive substance can do it with NO "relapse requirement" at all. I once had a client that said if she put HALF as much mental effort into staying off her "stuff" as she did into "scoring it" and ingesting it, then being and remaining clean would be as easy as breathing. Make a decision and stick to it. It IS that simple!
So by your logic, all the people that relapse time and time again, or their bodies fight back or even quit on then, are all just weak-willed /-minded and didn't really want to be free of an addiction that's impacting their lives?
I guess this is the most appropriate part of the forums for that sort of post.Can you name even one instance where you have seen a person with an active substance addiction get "Forced" to used the substance? (breaking news: substances cannot force anyone to acquire or ingest them-since they are inanimate objects and do not make decisions! So, who does that leave? The substance use investor! The ingestor decides to acquire and ingest the substance! Not the other way around! Believe any substance is somehow "More powerful than the ingestor of it" more than warrants that perspective being under this topic's title! There is no more stupid perspective then some idiot substance user that thinks "I can't stop! "The drug is more powerful then I am!" jesus. Those brainwastes deserve immediate doses of the highest lethality of fentanyl to rid their idiocy off the planet!
MongJuanSilver
04-23-23, 16:59
I was halfway through a lengthy response, and even had some medical resources for you to peruse, before I realized it would 99% be a waste of time. Short version: thank the gods you're not in the medical field.
Can you name even one instance where you have seen a person with an active substance addiction get "Forced" to used the substance? (breaking news: substances cannot force anyone to acquire or ingest them-since they are inanimate objects and do not make decisions! So, who does that leave? The substance use investor! The ingestor decides to acquire and ingest the substance! Not the other way around! Believe any substance is somehow "More powerful than the ingestor of it" more than warrants that perspective being under this topic's title! There is no more stupid perspective then some idiot substance user that thinks "I can't stop! "The drug is more powerful then I am!" jesus. Those brainwastes deserve immediate doses of the highest lethality of fentanyl to rid their idiocy off the planet!
Trusty Hairlip
04-23-23, 17:36
Can you name even one instance where you have seen a person with an active substance addiction get "Forced" to used the substance? (breaking news: substances cannot force anyone to acquire or ingest them-since they are inanimate objects and do not make decisions! So, who does that leave? The substance use investor! The ingestor decides to acquire and ingest the substance! Not the other way around! Believe any substance is somehow "More powerful than the ingestor of it" more than warrants that perspective being under this topic's title! There is no more stupid perspective then some idiot substance user that thinks "I can't stop! "The drug is more powerful then I am!" jesus. Those brainwastes deserve immediate doses of the highest lethality of fentanyl to rid their idiocy off the planet!Oh you are just so smart. I am going to have to write down all of these useful insights so I can quote you properly. You stay away from that fentanyl now.
ArtVandalayy
04-24-23, 00:03
Can you name even one instance where you have seen a person with an active substance addiction get "Forced" to used the substance? (breaking news: substances cannot force anyone to acquire or ingest them-since they are inanimate objects and do not make decisions! So, who does that leave? The substance use investor! The ingestor decides to acquire and ingest the substance! Not the other way around! Believe any substance is somehow "More powerful than the ingestor of it" more than warrants that perspective being under this topic's title! There is no more stupid perspective then some idiot substance user that thinks "I can't stop! "The drug is more powerful then I am!" jesus. Those brainwastes deserve immediate doses of the highest lethality of fentanyl to rid their idiocy off the planet!Yall are arguing different issues. Physical addiction is curable. I have never heard of anyone having withdrawals ten years after quitting. Emotional addictions are for life. Sugar is a good example. We know heart disease is the main cause of death in America, and we also know obesity is one of the main causes. Why are some of the most strongest, most respected etc. People overweight? They know they just have to eat healthier or quit sugar but most can't. Once you know what it tastes like you always know what tastes like. It's the same reason so many vegans eat "fake meat".
Rey KittyHawk
04-29-23, 10:53
People can become addicted to any sensation, good or bad that they either find desirable, or just expect.
Substance abuse or the thrill of something that gives a high or good feeling that is desirable and longed for is the most common. Drugs, gambling, success, SEX, winning, even violence and abusive behavior towards others.
Even bad feelings that they come to "expect" can be addicting. Like the girl who seeks bad boys who treat her like crap, because that is what she is use to, and assumes that is what is supposed to be.
People are multi layered creatures. We can want things not good for us, and and do things that damage or hinder our success. True addictions are not an open "choice" but a compulsion to find the desired experience provided by the stimuli. Emotional, psychological, physical, social, layers all come into it.
If you have an addictive personality, it can be something you have to battle your entire life, no matter what your logical mind wants, or believes or knows what it should and should not do.
A true addiction, is a chronic relapse disease. Don't' believe me? Look it up.
There is NO MEDICAL PROOF that shows that ANY "addiction" (whether to a liquid, solid, gas, or activity!) meets the criteria for "disease" that gets taught in ANY and all accredited American Medical Schools in the USA! Not ONE Iota of evidence or scientifically proved connection! If someone was to prove it, they would win a Nobel Prize in Medicine for it. I have worked in the addiction treatment field for over 20 years, and cannot even find an MD that can make the connection between "addiction" and "disease". Saying it "is" does NOT make it so. Nor does echoing it because others have since the nonsense of "12 Steppism" was excreted into print in 1939! There is ZERO involuntary acquisition of ANY "addiction"! You know what IS a disease-INVOLUNTARILY ACQUIRED MEDICAL CONDITIONS! Like COVID, CANCER, HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, MENTAL ILLNESS, PARKINSONS's, etc. Please name how ANYONE involuntarily afflicted with THOSE CONDITIONS "choose" them-as they CHOOSE a liquid, solid, gas or activity to destroy themselves around! Additionally, there is NO SUCH THING as an "addictive personality" (it ain't in the DSM-5 as a "psychologically diagnosable condition" People who believe in the bullshit of "addictive personality" are nothing more then those who WILL NOT take responsibility for what they willingly, knowingly, and voluntarily do to themselves, or made a career out of doing! Addiction as a "disease"? BULLSHIT! "Addictive Personality"? DOUBLE-BULLSHIT!
People can become addicted to any sensation, good or bad that they either find desirable, or just expect.
Substance abuse or the thrill of something that gives a high or good feeling that is desirable and longed for is the most common. Drugs, gambling, success, SEX, winning, even violence and abusive behavior towards others.
Even bad feelings that they come to "expect" can be addicting. Like the girl who seeks bad boys who treat her like crap, because that is what she is use to, and assumes that is what is supposed to be.
People are multi layered creatures. We can want things not good for us, and and do things that damage or hinder our success. True addictions are not an open "choice" but a compulsion to find the desired experience provided by the stimuli. Emotional, psychological, physical, social, layers all come into it.
If you have an addictive personality, it can be something you have to battle your entire life, no matter what your logical mind wants, or believes or knows what it should and should not do.
A true addiction, is a chronic relapse disease. Don't' believe me? Look it up.
You don't know what you are talking about, there is at least 30 years of medical proof.
Here's some of the most recent.
"As a result of scientific research, we know that addiction is a medical disorder that affects the brain and changes behavior. We have identified many of the biological and environmental risk factors and are beginning to search for the genetic variations that contribute to the development and progression of the disorder. Scientists use this knowledge to develop effective prevention and treatment approaches that reduce the toll drug use takes on individuals, families, and communities. ".
See where it says Biological risk factors and genetic variations? That means medicine, real differences between your body and an addicts body.
I know citing actual science will do nothing to change your mind, you are convinced that the shit in your brain is true, my audience is the rest of the people being exposed to your bullshit here not you.
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugs-brains-behavior-science-addiction/preface
You know where you said you can't find an MD that will make a connection between disease and and addiction.
Nora D. Volkow, M. D.
Director.
National Institute on Drug Abuse.
There's one right there.
The DSM V literally defines 11 different types of substance disorders.
You literally make everybody dumber when you open your mouth. This is too easy, it's like arguing with a flat earth person.
Have a nice day.
A2.
There is NO MEDICAL PROOF that shows that ANY "addiction" (whether to a liquid, solid, gas, or activity!) meets the criteria for "disease" that gets taught in ANY and all accredited American Medical Schools in the USA! Not ONE Iota of evidence or scientifically proved connection! If someone was to prove it, they would win a Nobel Prize in Medicine for it. I have worked in the addiction treatment field for over 20 years, and cannot even find an MD that can make the connection between "addiction" and "disease". Saying it "is" does NOT make it so. Nor does echoing it because others have since the nonsense of "12 Steppism" was excreted into print in 1939! There is ZERO involuntary acquisition of ANY "addiction"! You know what IS a disease-INVOLUNTARILY ACQUIRED MEDICAL CONDITIONS! Like COVID, CANCER, HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, MENTAL ILLNESS, PARKINSONS's, etc. Please name how ANYONE involuntarily afflicted with THOSE CONDITIONS "choose" them-as they CHOOSE a liquid, solid, gas or activity to destroy themselves around! Additionally, there is NO SUCH THING as an "addictive personality" (it ain't in the DSM-5 as a "psychologically diagnosable condition" People who believe in the bullshit of "addictive personality" are nothing more then those who WILL NOT take responsibility for what they willingly, knowingly, and voluntarily do to themselves, or made a career out of doing! Addiction as a "disease"? BULLSHIT! "Addictive Personality"? DOUBLE-BULLSHIT!
Anyone else thinking about how much money you've spent on escorts. Never kept a running count but now I'm curious.
Quoting from a MEXICAN EDUCATED "M. D. " who is NOT EVEN LICENSED TO PRACTICE IN THE USA does NOT help your position any, Nor does the fact that Valkow is "claiming" that "addiction is a "disease" as HEAD OF A FEDERAL AGENCY to justify the on-going WASTE of federal tax dollars to that agency to, with the FAKE, NON-EXISTENT "medical proof", to insure tax dollars keep getting sent to it! 30 years of "medical proof"? BULLSHIT! A non-American "M. D. " saying "addiction is a disease" over and over is about as much "proof" as the Pope saying there is a "deity" because people have believed THAT line of bullshit for 2,000+ years! (Saying something over and over again, and having a bunch of people "believe" it for a long time does NOT MAKE THE "belief" a FACT!
When Nora Valkow has gone to an AMERICAN MEDICAL SCHOOL, and been licensed to practice as an AMERICAN MD in any state, and therefore has LEARNED what the definition of "disease" is (that gets taught in one), and CAN MATCH "addiction" TO THAT DEFINITION, then I might give her the time of day! Until then, she has about as much medical validity as Trump saying the 2020 Election was "stolen from him"!
So let's see you, Nora Valkow, or ANY accredited American Medical School faculty member do those two simple things: 1.) Lay out the definition of "disease" that gets taught in American medical schools, and 2.) SHOW how "addiction" meets that criteria! I'll wait! Laughing at Valkow as a reference in the meantime!
You don't know what you are talking about, there is at least 30 years of medical proof.
Here's some of the most recent.
"As a result of scientific research, we know that addiction is a medical disorder that affects the brain and changes behavior. We have identified many of the biological and environmental risk factors and are beginning to search for the genetic variations that contribute to the development and progression of the disorder. Scientists use this knowledge to develop effective prevention and treatment approaches that reduce the toll drug use takes on individuals, families, and communities. ".
See where it says Biological risk factors and genetic variations? That means medicine, real differences between your body and an addicts body.
I know citing actual science will do nothing to change your mind, you are convinced that the shit in your brain is true, my audience is the rest of the people being exposed to your bullshit here not you.
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugs-brains-behavior-science-addiction/preface
You know where you said you can't find an MD that will make a connection between disease and and addiction.
Nora D. Volkow, M. D.
Director.
National Institute on Drug Abuse.
There's one right there.
The DSM V literally defines 11 different types of substance disorders.
You literally make everybody dumber when you open your mouth. This is too easy, it's like arguing with a flat earth person.
Have a nice day.
A2.
Cobra Comander
05-01-23, 01:38
Anyone else thinking about how much money you've spent on escorts. Never kept a running count but now I'm curious.LOL yes! I stopped counting in the early 2000's but my best guess is I'm somewhere around 300 body count wise. I know I spent about 25 K going to TJ every few days from 2007-2009 so I can only imagine what the total is when you include that AMPs and SWs!
CC.
Anyone else thinking about how much money you've spent on escorts. Never kept a running count but now I'm curious.I haven't done all the accounting, but it seems cheaper to rent than to buy. The current model will become to expensive to maintain, and the trade in value will be limited —buying a new model doesn't begin to make sense. And you have lots of sunk costs (weddings, vacations to in-laws, etc) and recurring costs to think about. The advantages of leasing you're always riding the latest rides, no long term contracts, pay for what you need when you need it, wide selection. The list goes on!
Her psychiatric residency was at New York University, where she earned a Laughlin Fellowship from The American College of Psychiatrists as one of 10 outstanding psychiatric residents in the United States.
Much of her professional career was spent at the Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New York, where she held several leadership positions including Director of Nuclear Medicine, Chairman of the Medical Department, and Associate Laboratory Director for Life Sciences. Dr. Volkow was also a professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Associate Dean of the Medical School at The State University of New York at Stony Brook.
Dr. Volkow has published more than 800 peer-reviewed articles, written more than 100 book chapters, manuscripts and articles, co-edited "Neuroscience in the 21st Century" and edited four books on brain imaging for mental and substance use disorders.
She received a Nathan Davis Award for Outstanding Government Service, was a Samuel J. Heyman Service to America Medal (Sammies) finalist and is a member of the National Academy of Sciences and the Association of American Physicians. Dr. Volkow received the International Prize from the French Institute of Health and Medical Research for her pioneering work in brain imaging and addiction science; was awarded the Carnegie Prize in Mind and Brain Sciences from Carnegie Mellon University; and was inducted into the Children and Adults with Attention-Deficit / Hyperactivity Disorder (CHADD) Hall of Fame. She was named one of Time magazine's "Top 100 People Who Shape Our World"; one of "20 People to Watch" by Newsweek magazine; Washingtonian magazine's "100 Most Powerful Women"; "Innovator of the Year" by USA News & World Report; and one of "34 Leaders Who Are Changing Health Care" by Fortune magazine.
She a fucking Carnegie Inductee. The shit that comes out of her ass has a higher IQ than you do.
Would you care to share when and where you did your Residency, where you have practiced and what articles you have published? Yeah, I thought so.
Thanks for playing.
Quoting from a MEXICAN EDUCATED "M. D. " who is NOT EVEN LICENSED TO PRACTICE IN THE USA does NOT help your position any, Nor does the fact that Valkow is "claiming" that "addiction is a "disease" as HEAD OF A FEDERAL AGENCY to justify the on-going WASTE of federal tax dollars to that agency to, with the FAKE, NON-EXISTENT "medical proof", to insure tax dollars keep getting sent to it! 30 years of "medical proof"? BULLSHIT! A non-American "M. D. " saying "addiction is a disease" over and over is about as much "proof" as the Pope saying there is a "deity" because people have believed THAT line of bullshit for 2,000+ years! (Saying something over and over again, and having a bunch of people "believe" it for a long time does NOT MAKE THE "belief" a FACT!
When Nora Valkow has gone to an AMERICAN MEDICAL SCHOOL, and been licensed to practice as an AMERICAN MD in any state, and therefore has LEARNED what the definition of "disease" is (that gets taught in one), and CAN MATCH "addiction" TO THAT DEFINITION, then I might give her the time of day! Until then, she has about as much medical validity as Trump saying the 2020 Election was "stolen from him"!
So let's see you, Nora Valkow, or ANY accredited American Medical School faculty member do those two simple things: 1.) Lay out the definition of "disease" that gets taught in American medical schools, and 2.) SHOW how "addiction" meets that criteria! I'll wait! Laughing at Valkow as a reference in the meantime!
LokoMotto69
05-01-23, 13:06
After six years and hundreds of girl I am finally quitting this, as the last year has turned into the sort of addiction you all speak of, I'm done doing this I'm currently in a relationship and am not going to lose it for some extra ass. I've seen hundreds of girls from east to west but it's my time to say goodbye. I hope you all stay say and healthy and happy mongering!
All that "Education", and she still cannot match "Addiction" to the definition of "Disease" taught in accredited American medical universities! And what state is she a licensed M. D. In?
Can she even give an md order for a brain scan, or write a prescription? Nice "Academic" credentials-but until she can articulate how "Addiction" matches "Disease" criteria, she is dumber than shit you are full of, and probably smoking as well!
You lose addict! As I am sure you have done your entire life! Don't forget-for you, suicide is an option! It will be the only thing you have ever been successful at!
Her psychiatric residency was at New York University, where she earned a Laughlin Fellowship from The American College of Psychiatrists as one of 10 outstanding psychiatric residents in the United States.
Much of her professional career was spent at the Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New York, where she held several leadership positions including Director of Nuclear Medicine, Chairman of the Medical Department, and Associate Laboratory Director for Life Sciences. Dr. Volkow was also a professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Associate Dean of the Medical School at The State University of New York at Stony Brook.
Dr. Volkow has published more than 800 peer-reviewed articles, written more than 100 book chapters, manuscripts and articles, co-edited "Neuroscience in the 21st Century" and edited four books on brain imaging for mental and substance use disorders..
All that "Education", and she still cannot match "Addiction" to the definition of "Disease" taught in accredited American medical universities! And what state is she a licensed M. D. In?
Can she even give an md order for a brain scan, or write a prescription? Nice "Academic" credentials-but until she can articulate how "Addiction" matches "Disease" criteria, she is dumber than shit you are full of, and probably smoking as well!
You lose addict! As I am sure you have done your entire life! Don't forget-for you, suicide is an option! It will be the only thing you have ever been successful at!Can you please just ban this ignorance already?
MongJuanSilver
05-04-23, 02:59
Jesus, he's told someone (an Admin at that) to off themselves because he can't wrap his head around the concept that doctors can and do exist outside of the US, and surprisingly enough, some if not most of them are better than their "American educated" counterparts. Is there an ignore function, and the troll (at least I hope to God he's trolling) get the boot?
Can you please just ban this ignorance already?What I write isn't for him. Its for anybody who might think he makes sense.
All that "Education", and she still cannot match "Addiction" to the definition of "Disease" taught in accredited American medical universities! And what state is she a licensed M. D. In?
Can she even give an md order for a brain scan, or write a prescription? Nice "Academic" credentials-but until she can articulate how "Addiction" matches "Disease" criteria, she is dumber than shit you are full of, and probably smoking as well!
You lose addict! As I am sure you have done your entire life! Don't forget-for you, suicide is an option! It will be the only thing you have ever been successful at!If the sun is shining and you keep telling people over and over that it's dark outside does that mean there is no light?
There is a VAST amount of scientific literature saying it is. I showed you some, you ignored it in your response. There are literally MILLIONS of medical practitioners that would say you are wrong, there are millions more recovering alcoholics and addicts that say you're wrong but we will just go with your story.
You can keep writing but you are convincing more people that I am correct than I am.
Here's hoping you exercise your option.
A2.
SukijoSeiwaka
05-04-23, 13:43
I'm thinking of hiring a girl (who already is open to sexual relationship) to teach me conversational versions of languages like Thai. Are there already services for this like, they teach you Thai and HJ / BJ you?
I find linguistics an interesting field of study. Like sociology, it's a passion field vs profit. I was born understanding certain languages but, was never taught them or don't remember. I found out later in life that wasn't normal. If this isn't a thing already, I think honestly hiring a young woman and informing her of the relationship this is would work.
*Addictions can be cured and cravings eliminated using neuronal circulatory methods. Just witnessed a successful experiment where user of alcohol survived 30 days with no relapse or cravings thru recirculating, discharging and reprogramming neuronal activity. Imagine what other issues can be cured if he's successful in converting this to modern science.
RChangDatyKing
05-04-23, 17:28
Bring out the popcorn; the shit show continues.
What rock, crawl space or planets are these yahoos from!
I’m glad there are pussies to enjoy!
Quick: Post some of the "scientific research" that gives the DEFINITION OF ADDICTION, that is taught in ANY accredited medical school in the USA. Now try SHOWING in all that "vast scientific research" -and a "disease-based definition" that CONNECTS "addiction" (and all that "vast scientific research") TO "disease". I can't even find a LICENSED AMERICAN M. D. (that CAN actually write prescriptions, and order brains scans that can do this! (Nora Valkow sure as hell can't!) Saying something over and over is a "disease" does NOT make it so, anymore then saying over and over that there is a "god" (for 2,000 years now somehow "proves" that there is one!
It's 2023-not 1939. Saying something is a "disease" without PROVING IT does NOT make it such!
If the sun is shining and you keep telling people over and over that it's dark outside does that mean there is no light?
There is a VAST amount of scientific literature saying it is. I showed you some, you ignored it in your response. There are literally MILLIONS of medical practitioners that would say you are wrong, there are millions more recovering alcoholics and addicts that say you're wrong but we will just go with your story.
You can keep writing but you are convincing more people that I am correct than I am.
Here's hoping you exercise your option.
A2.
Jesus, he's told someone (an Admin at that) to off themselves because he can't wrap his head around the concept that doctors can and do exist outside of the US, and surprisingly enough, some if not most of them are better than their "American educated" counterparts. Is there an ignore function, and the troll (at least I hope to God he's trolling) get the boot?You would think that an "M. D. " (even one of foreign-birth), who is head of a USA Government agency would at least have some American medical credentials for such-like an M. D. License, or a DEA license. Nora Valkow has neither! As a research SCIENTIST (she does not rate the term "M. D. " she has done lots of "research". But until she, or ANY AMERICAN LICENSED M. D, can make the connection between "disease" (and addiction), she is talking out of her foreiign-born, fake medical credentialed ass!
MrSanDiego
05-05-23, 23:38
After six years and hundreds of girl I am finally quitting this, as the last year has turned into the sort of addiction you all speak of, I'm done doing this I'm currently in a relationship and am not going to lose it for some extra ass. I've seen hundreds of girls from east to west but it's my time to say goodbye. I hope you all stay say and healthy and happy mongering!See ya next year!
Hah, all joking aside. Best of luck.
MaximusKahn
05-07-23, 01:02
What I write isn't for him. Its for anybody who might think he makes sense.When Morons spout their garbage, it is important someone speaks up with facts and intelligence as A2 is doing.
Unfortunately Morons attract morons who latch on and repeat what moron's say. It's good when someone sets the record strait with common sense, intelligence, facts, and logic.
Even thought the morons won't get it, those who might be inclined to pay attention to the morons get the truth to digest and hopefully recognizes what is correct.
A2 is correct in all accounts.
Panchito33
05-07-23, 01:16
Six years, hundreds of girls and only 6 posts.
After six years and hundreds of girl I am finally quitting this, as the last year has turned into the sort of addiction you all speak of, I'm done doing this I'm currently in a relationship and am not going to lose it for some extra ass. I've seen hundreds of girls from east to west but it's my time to say goodbye. I hope you all stay say and healthy and happy mongering!
When Morons spout their garbage, it is important someone speaks up with facts and intelligence as A2 is doing.
Unfortunately Morons attract morons who latch on and repeat what moron's say. It's good when someone sets the record strait with common sense, intelligence, facts, and logic.
Even thought the morons won't get it, those who might be inclined to pay attention to the morons get the truth to digest and hopefully recognizes what is correct.
A2 is correct in all accounts.And WHERE EXACTLY IS "A2's" (or any other "addiction-is-a-disease" advocate's), PROOF? The PROOF should not be THAT FUCKING HARD. Just show the MATCH between the definition of "disease" that gets taught in ANY and ALL ACCREDITED MEDICAL UNIVERSITIES, and show how this thing called "addiction" meets "disease" definition! EASY PEASY! I have worked in the "addiction treatment field" for over 21 years. Have not seen it yet! Not from local M. D. 's, or accredited medical universities, or that fake-ass M. D. Nora Valkow (and the NIDA agency she is head of! Nor ASAM, nor anyone who has won the Nobel Prize in Medicine. Maybe A2 is tracking down the "vast scinetific literature" to post that he claims exists, and therefore shows this connection. I doubt it though. ADDICTION IS A FUCKING CHOICE! Whether to a liquid, solid, gas, or activity! It is a FUCKING CHOICE IN EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE! There is NOT ONE INSTANCE of a person having ANY "addiction" involuntarily thrust upon them! No addict has ever been forced into becoming or remaining an addict BY THE DRUG, OR THE ACTIVITY! NOT ONCE! And all I want to see is some PROOF of this "disease-addiction" connection!
Still haven't seen it. Because it does not exist! Period!
And WHERE EXACTLY IS "A2's" (or any other "addiction-is-a-disease" advocate's), PROOF? The PROOF should not be THAT FUCKING HARD. Just show the MATCH between the definition of "disease" that gets taught in ANY and ALL ACCREDITED MEDICAL UNIVERSITIES, and show how this thing called "addiction" meets "disease" definition! EASY PEASY! I have worked in the "addiction treatment field" for over 21 years. Have not seen it yet! Not from local M. D. 's, or accredited medical universities, or that fake-ass M. D. Nora Valkow (and the NIDA agency she is head of! Nor ASAM, nor anyone who has won the Nobel Prize in Medicine. Maybe A2 is tracking down the "vast scinetific literature" to post that he claims exists, and therefore shows this connection. I doubt it though. ADDICTION IS A FUCKING CHOICE! Whether to a liquid, solid, gas, or activity! It is a FUCKING CHOICE IN EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE! There is NOT ONE INSTANCE of a person having ANY "addiction" involuntarily thrust upon them! No addict has ever been forced into becoming or remaining an addict BY THE DRUG, OR THE ACTIVITY! NOT ONCE! And all I want to see is some PROOF of this "disease-addiction" connection!
Still haven't seen it. Because it does not exist! Period!Like all idiots who think they know something they don't you just keep saying the same shit over and over and over again in all capital letters.
Do you know chronic alcoholics have a chemical in their brains not found in normal drinkers? Tetrahydroisoquinolines which before was only found in heroin users.
But what the fuck do the people at the National Institution of Health know right? None of them have your vast arrey of post doctorate degrees I guess.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/350078/
Thanks for playing.
NudeBeachPerv
05-07-23, 13:12
I have no dog on this fight. But I wonders is USiNG CAPS every OTHER sentence an ADDICTION or a CHOICE?
Trusty Hairlip
05-07-23, 14:53
And WHERE EXACTLY IS "A2's" (or any other "addiction-is-a-disease" advocate's), PROOF? The PROOF should not be THAT FUCKING HARD.Addiction is a choice? Sure, all those homeless addicts are choosing to live that way because that is their choice. Losing all their teeth is a choice right? Having to coerce and steal from loved ones just to get their fix is a choice right? ODing and going to the ER multiple times is a choice right? Fuck off.
Like all idiots who think they know something they don't you just keep saying the same shit over and over and over again in all capital letters.
Do you know chronic alcoholics have a chemical in their brains not found in normal drinkers? Tetrahydroisoquinolines which before was only found in heroin users.
But what the fuck do the people at the National Institution of Health know right? None of them have your vast arrey of post doctorate degrees I guess.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/350078/
Thanks for playing.Do describe ANY proveable example of how alcohol or any other substance gets into the human body without the investor of that substance, willingly, knowingly, and voluntarily putting it there. Go ahead, provide the "proof", I will wait. I doubt NIH, and all their "post-doctoral research" can prove even one instance of it! If this "chemical" you refer to is somehow a "cause" of the "obsessive-compulsive" behavior of an alcoholic and alcohol acquisition and ingestion, then maybe someone will get a Nobel prize in medicine for it! And if this chemical is somehow a "cause", then how do you explain the ability of ANY substance abuser to QUIT (also a voluntary choice!
Have the "post-docs" at NIH get back to me on this. Especially Nora Valkow, and her "M. D. " degree that she cannot practice any medicine with!
MaximusKahn
05-10-23, 09:23
Ever notice?
Morons can't admit they are wrong, and they will never admit someone who disagrees with them is right.
They will demand proof, but offer none.
When you do give proof they'll discount it, ignore it, or attack the source claiming they're not qualified to support the proof.
They also tend to make personal attacks on those who disagree with them, often in the ugliest of terms.
They tend to be bullies by nature and if they can't win with their words, they'll quickly shift to aggression and violence.
They will refuse to offer their own degrees, qualifications, or professional experience, even when politely asked for it. Yet still claim or imply they are an expert on the subject.
When losing a "discussion" they'll start to yell, type in bold, or use all capitals to substantiate how right they are. Usually just repeating what they've said before.
The bad new is they never seem to give up or just go away. They always have a need to be the one who is right. Leaving you with no choice but to ignore them or just walk away with what ever entertainment value you got from the exchange.
The serious point is that morons are dangerous. They spout ridiculous ideas that can catch on with other morons. Such as Conspiracy theories, Urban legends, Racism, Misogyny, Xenophobia, homophobia, Religious Extremism, and any old fashioned idea to inflame fear and hatred in the hearts and minds of people.
I'll repeat, I think it is good and proper that A2 shares his thoughts, when he sees misinformation being posted that is clearly incorrect and potentially harmful.
I know this deviates far from our Hobby, but I'm compelled to share these thoughts.
Camberplate
05-10-23, 11:49
Do describe ANY proveable example of how alcohol or any other substance gets into the human body without the investor of that substance, willingly, knowingly, and voluntarily putting it there. Go ahead, provide the "proof", I will wait. I doubt NIH, and all their "post-doctoral research" can prove even one instance of it! If this "chemical" you refer to is somehow a "cause" of the "obsessive-compulsive" behavior of an alcoholic and alcohol acquisition and ingestion, then maybe someone will get a Nobel prize in medicine for it! And if this chemical is somehow a "cause", then how do you explain the ability of ANY substance abuser to QUIT (also a voluntary choice!
Have the "post-docs" at NIH get back to me on this. Especially Nora Valkow, and her "M. D. " degree that she cannot practice any medicine with!Dr. Volkow is properly licensed as a physician (psychiatrist) in the State of New York as of 9/30/1987, valid through 2/28/2025. As a federal employee working for the NIH, she can legally practice medicine in New York State, or at any NIH or other federal facility she's appropriately credentialed with (NIH Bethesda, MD in her case) regardless of her state of licensure. Note "psychiatrist" = MD or DO plus psychiatry residency, state medical board licensed and has medication prescribing and admitting privileges. Psychiatrists like to medicate you out of your issues. "Psychologist" = PhD, no prescribing privileges without additional education / certification. Psychologists like to listen to you talk while you sit on a comfy couch. Both medication and couches have their place.
https://www.op.nysed.gov/verification-search?licenseNumber=172549&professionCode=060
Ever notice how when you call someone out FOR PROOF based on their delusional assertions, they disappear (as happened to "A2" These are the same mental midgets who do NOT understand that basic logic dictates that those "asserting something" have the BURDEN OF PROOF, not those denying the assertion (Example: atheists do NOT have to "prove" the NON-EXISTENCE of a "deity"! They will the argument by default when the "deity believer" CANNOT PROVE their assertion with ANY scientific evidence! Same goes for the MORONS who assert "addiction is a disease". I have worked in the substance abuse treatment field (Certified SUD counselor with a Master's degree!) for OVER 20 YEARS, and have yet to find even an M. D. That can PROVE that this thing called "addiction" meets the criteria for "disease". I can't even get a citable scientific reference on this! It is beyond pathetic that those who "assert without evidence" over and over think that because it is said over and over (for the last 80 fucking years, that it is somehow credible, believeable, or "scientifically verifiable". Then again-without these mental midgets 50% of the American voting electorate would cease to exist!
And then there is the idiocy of the liberals. . . . .
Ever notice?
Morons can't admit they are wrong, and they will never admit someone who disagrees with them is right.
They will demand proof, but offer none.
When you do give proof they'll discount it, ignore it, or attack the source claiming they're not qualified to support the proof.
They also tend to make personal attacks on those who disagree with them, often in the ugliest of terms.
They tend to be bullies by nature and if they can't win with their words, they'll quickly shift to aggression and violence.
They will refuse to offer their own degrees, qualifications, or professional experience, even when politely asked for it. Yet still claim or imply they are an expert on the subject.
When losing a "discussion" they'll start to yell, type in bold, or use all capitals to substantiate how right they are. Usually just repeating what they've said before.
The bad new is they never seem to give up or just go away. They always have a need to be the one who is right. Leaving you with no choice but to ignore them or just walk away with what ever entertainment value you got from the exchange..
Maybe you are blind, but I have NEVER seen a homeless person with a gun at their head, a knife at their throat, or someone in a position of authority FORCING homelessness upon them, or addicting substances INTO THEM (please describe ONE INSTANCE where an inanimate substance FORCED ITSELF into ANY HUMAN BEING without the human being willingly, knowingly, and VOLUNTARILY acquiring and ingesting (and RE-acquiring and RE-ingesting!) the substance. People make choices. STUPID CHOICES! Addiction IS A CHOICE! PERIOD! Let those who choose it SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF IT! If death be their lot, then let them succeed at it! It will after all be the ONLY successful thing they have achieved!
Addiction is a choice? Sure, all those homeless addicts are choosing to live that way because that is their choice. Losing all their teeth is a choice right? Having to coerce and steal from loved ones just to get their fix is a choice right? ODing and going to the ER multiple times is a choice right? Fuck off.
I have no dog on this fight. But I wonders is USiNG CAPS every OTHER sentence an ADDICTION or a CHOICE?It is called "emphasis". Apparently typing in colors on this forum upsets the moderator.
NudeBeachPerv
05-10-23, 16:14
It is called "emphasis". Apparently typing in colors on this forum upsets the moderator.Haha, I didn't know typing in colors was an option. Must need to used the brackets and old school HTML code to "unlock" that feature.
I don't even know how to use smiley faces and such on this forum but I suppose that is a good thing.
Colors are easy. Vbulliten uses kind of the same stuff as html but it's brackets instead of arrows.
If you want to type in Red you start out with [*red]Text[*/red] (omit the *, I added them to break the tag so you can see them.
The only color reserved for mods is blue
A2
MongJuanSilver
05-10-23, 18:29
OK, the segue into liberals at the end was both hilarious and telling of exactly what kind of person we're dealing with. No use trying folks, he's willing to drown in the lake of shit without grabbing onto the life preserver of common sense.
Do post your "definition" of "common sense"-I could use the laugh. It can't be any less moronic then those who "think" addiction is a "disease" or that the non-existence of a deity can somehow be "proved". I'll wait.
OK, the segue into liberals at the end was both hilarious and telling of exactly what kind of person we're dealing with. No use trying folks, he's willing to drown in the lake of shit without grabbing onto the life preserver of common sense.
MaximusKahn
05-11-23, 09:25
OK, the segue into liberals at the end was both hilarious and telling of exactly what kind of person we're dealing with. No use trying folks, he's willing to drown in the lake of shit without grabbing onto the life preserver of common sense.So true as I also found the "liberal" comment to be ridiculous yet revealing.
But consider some other telling traits this moron exposed by his own comments.
He tells someone who disagrees with him they should off themselves.
Also he tells us he is educated, trained, and has 20 years experience in the field of substance abuse, yet says they deserve to die of their addictions.
Clearly he's ignorant, has not kept up with the advancements in his own claimed field of expertise and has an obvious contempt for the very people he says he's employed to help.
Sort of like your doctor at the cancer hospital telling you, well you choose to have cancer, you refuse to get over your cancer, thus you deserve to die of cancer.
If that isn't a WTF moment and tells us what kind of moron are we dealing with, nothing else will make it clearer.
And are we to conclude from his liberal statement he is a 'conservative' who likes and approves of conspiracy theories, urban legends, racism, bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia, religious extremism, and creating fear and hatred in people's hearts? And I toss in political ideology too.
Frightening people like this, vote, and might be your neighbor, worse they might be the professional you send a love one to for help! Now there is a nightmare.
MongJuanSilver
05-11-23, 11:04
Posting any solid proof for you will be just like playing chess with a pigeon: the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Others have posted evidence and links to info, which you ironically demand and ignore in the same breath, while also providing none of your own.
Do you want a good laugh? Find the mirror in your place that you never use.
Do post your "definition" of "common sense"-I could use the laugh. It can't be any less moronic then those who "think" addiction is a "disease" or that the non-existence of a deity can somehow be "proved". I'll wait.
HermanMiller
05-11-23, 12:28
Posting any solid proof for you will be just like playing chess with a pigeon: the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Others have posted evidence and links to info, which you ironically demand and ignore in the same breath, while also providing none of your own.
Do you want a good laugh? Find the mirror in your place that you never use.Well, I'll jump in here. I mean what is a "disease"? You cannot say that substance addiction is like cancer, can you? It's not even like, say, bipolar disorder. The predisposition to becoming addicted might be an illness, but like eating pork when heart disease runs in the family, you have a choice to live a healthy lifestyle.
Posting any solid proof for you will be just like playing chess with a pigeon: the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Others have posted evidence and links to info, which you ironically demand and ignore in the same breath, while also providing none of your own.
Do you want a good laugh? Find the mirror in your place that you never use.If you guys think this shite is pathetic and comical, you should see his posts in other areas of this forum. They all read like they belong here.
Becoming Alcoholic by David are. Rudy (1986).
Heavy Drinking-The Myth of Alcoholism As A Disease by Herbert Fingarette (1988).
The Myth of Addiction by John Booth Davies (1992).
Addiction is a CHOICE by Jeffrey Schafer, Ph. D. (2000).
The MYTH of Addiction by D. Lance Doddes, M. D. (a real M. D. ! 2008.
The Sober Truth by Dr. Lace Doddes, M. D. (2014).
High Price by Carl Hart, Ph. D. (2014).
The Biology of Desire by Marc Lewis, Ph. D. (2015).
The Unbroken Brain by Maia Szalavitz (2016).
US of AA-How the 12 Steps HIJACKED The Science of Alcoholism by Joe Miller (2019).
Notice that 7 of the 10 cited titles are from the CURRENT CENTURY, and 5 of those 7 have been written WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS! I doubt the "disease" advocates have anything as extensive, oe as current. Each of the above titles has an EXTENSIVE bibliography of previously written scientific research.
And all I want to see is ONE BOOK, or ONE GODDDAMNED SCIENTIFIC PAPER that makes a SIMPLE FUCKING CONNECTION: 1.) What the medical school taught definition of "disease" is, and 2.) how this thing called "addiction" meets "disease" criteria. Nothing ASAM, or NIH, or NIDA has that. NONR OF THEM!
Game. Set. Match. Now go and try taking some fucking responsibility for what YOU DID TO YOU-willingly, knowingly, and voluntarily! Each and every time, with each and every use, each and every day!
Don't you wish you could do that? I thought not!
Posting any solid proof for you will be just like playing chess with a pigeon: the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Others have posted evidence and links to info, which you ironically demand and ignore in the same breath, while also providing none of your own.
Do you want a good laugh? Find the mirror in your place that you never use.
So true as I also found the "liberal" comment to be ridiculous yet revealing.
But consider some other telling traits this moron exposed by his own comments.
He tells someone who disagrees with him they should off themselves.
Also he tells us he is educated, trained, and has 20 years experience in the field of substance abuse, yet says they deserve to die of their addictions.
Clearly he's ignorant, has not kept up with the advancements in his own claimed field of expertise and has an obvious contempt for the very people he says he's employed to help.
Sort of like your doctor at the cancer hospital telling you, well you choose to have cancer, you refuse to get over your cancer, thus you deserve to die of cancer.
If that isn't a WTF moment and tells us what kind of moron are we dealing with, nothing else will make it clearer..Go ahead and read the latest post I made (when it gets) posted-it only shows 10 books overing the last 37 years of AOD research, 5 of the 10 were published within the LAST 10 YEARS!
It is so as that you demonstrate one of those pathetic waste of oxygen consumption mindsets that CANNOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for one's own stupid debaucherous actions. It must be nice living on a planet like that, where willing, knowing, and voluntary acquired and engaged in behaviors are "diseases" and NOTHING is the fault of the individual who does the behavior! Tell me, does your SSI check cover THAT mental disability? As for my political beliefs, BOTH political parties are like a choice between two lethal strains of COVID (an actual fucking DISEASE by the way! And the idiots that make them up set this country back on a daily basis. It really must suck when you are as scared of the truth and current reality as you show yourself to me. I am sure your SSI check eases the pain.
MaximusKahn
05-12-23, 10:48
Good for you, you can list a bunch of books, prove to me you read them.
How many books have you published in your name? How many articles on the subject at hand have you had published? Or how many pages have you contributed to other books or articles on the subject? Sharing that important information along with your name would really build a good position to support your blah blah blah.
Just because you say you have experience doesn't make it so. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
I think you have a very loose relationship with reality.
You're clearly addicted to hostility with a profound need to argue. You should seek professional help for this "disease" you have.
Sorry but your disease of stupidly doesn’t seem curable at this time.
Your contempt and obvious hatred for the people you are supposed to be counseling and saying they deserve to die is just so revealing.
At some point bantering back en forth with you will become boring enough and you'll be ignored.
But until then as you enjoy swimming in your sea of shit, please stop trying to drown others by pulling them in with you.
I hope you were able to understand my points with out the need for me to use "colors, capitals" or other methods of adolescent ways to emphasize my posts. But I doubt that you do. By the way, I think most in here have stopped reading your shit long ago.
I'm just addicted to passing the time by giving shit back to morons.
Go ahead and read the latest post I made of more Blah, Blah, blah.
Good for you, you can list a bunch of books, prove to me you read them.
How many books have you published in your name? How many articles on the subject at hand have you had published? Or how many pages have you contributed to other books or articles on the subject? Sharing that important information along with your name would really build a good position to support your blah blah blah.
Just because you say you have experience doesn't make it so. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
I think you have a very loose relationship with reality.
You're clearly addicted to hostility with a profound need to argue. You should seek professional help for this "disease" you have.
Sorry but your disease of stupidly doesnt seem curable at this time.
Your contempt and obvious hatred for the people you are supposed to be counseling and saying they deserve to die is just so revealing..You are a "special" kind of stupid aren't ya? If you are one of those 12 Step believing pathetic wastes of oxygen consumption who thinks the "Experience of being an addict" makes them an expert to comment on addiction, then would you please upgrade to the fentanyl you so desperately need, and rid this planet of the pathetic waste of oxygen consumption that is. Your. Existence!
People with fully, functional brains, do not need addictive substances to deal with the reality of life on a daily basis (as I doubt is the case with you! And thank you for conceding my point: "Just because you say something does not make it true". That would mean that morons such as yourself that scream "Addiction is a "Disease" for the last 84 years, and then fail to provide any goddamned proof of it, are as detached from reality as your world of being drunk and high are! You have failed to provide any proof that backs your delusions assertion! Again! Saying something is a "Disease" does not make is so, anymore then idiot deity believers claiming there is a "God" without proof, means there is one! You cannot give even one fucking reference to the "Disease-addiction" connection. Nor can any md I have talked with over the last 20 years! Nor can nih, or any federal "Health agency" wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this! You lose-again. Please-upgrade to fentanyl already. Your level of stupid makes the developmentally disabled look like nobel laureates by comparison!
P.S. The books and authors I cited-are right next to me on my book case. I have read each one. Twice! Don't you wish your un-reading, high school drop out level of education could say as much?
MaximusKahn
05-14-23, 09:41
So, I don't have to read anything you type because I have already seen enough of your limited and consistent pattern of stupidity.
I hope you didn't' spend a whole lot of time composing your reply.
It would benefit all of us if you stopped shitting, pissing, and puking in the sea of knowledge because you are turning it into a toilet.
Now, you go and have yourself a nice day.
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You really have to work at it to get an infraction on a fight thread.
You will soon be gone, not because you're wrong about everything you say, we all know that already, but because you're too big a douche to keep.
Then when you make a new user, I'll ban that one as well, and the next and the next and the next.
Fuck it, you're telling multiple people to kill themselves, it's time for you to go. This isn't about free speech, it's about you being an asshole and me not wanting to see your name anymore.
Fuck off.
A2
PoonTangJohnny
05-15-23, 08:13
If you guys think this shite is pathetic and comical, you should see his posts in other areas of this forum. They all read like they belong here.I have, & I agree! Every single one of his posts (negative rants) belonged in here.
You are a "special" kind of stupid aren't ya? If you are one of those 12 Step believing pathetic wastes of oxygen consumption who thinks the "Experience of being an addict" makes them an expert to comment on addiction, then would you please upgrade to the fentanyl you so desperately need, and rid this planet of the pathetic waste of oxygen consumption that is. Your. Existence!I've been following this discussion / debate. With somewhat mixed feelings. This is a subject, in which I've always felt very strongly / passionately about. You're actions / word's here have actually made me give a lot more in depth thoughts / introspection on it. So I thank you for that at least. Unfortunately, you lost any / all credibility, the second you became so mentally unhinged, that you began attacking (wishing death) against anyone / everyone, whom simply disagreed with you. You seriously should seek some form of mental professional help / therapy.
Man- I'll bet that Cheech & Chong could sure come up with some great material in here. Bye. Bye. Lardass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjqDir1r0Y
I have, & I agree! Every single one of his posts (negative rants) belonged in here.
I've been following this discussion / debate. With somewhat mixed feelings. This is a subject, in which I've always felt very strongly / passionately about. You're actions / word's here have actually made me give a lot more in depth thoughts / introspection on it. So I thank you for that at least. Unfortunately, you lost any / all credibility, the second you became so mentally unhinged, that you began attacking (wishing death) against anyone / everyone, whom simply disagreed with you. You seriously should seek some form of mental professional help / therapy.
Man- I'll bet that Cheech & Chong could sure come up with some great material in here. Bye. Bye. Lardass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjqDir1r0YI'm all about discourse, if you want to try and persuade me I'll give you the chance. I'll listen to any reasonable considered argument that evolves with facts and then weigh it. I may never agree with you but as long as the discourse is civil and I have time I'm happy to listen.
I hope he didn't persuade you, he and everybody who thinks that addiction is about a weakness of character are simply wrong. Not bad people, just incorrect.
If you want to know how a modern society successfully deals with addiction look to Portugal. I've been sober forever and I personally think we should decriminalize all drugs and give them to people for free. Let people smoke, snort, eat, shoot whatever drug they want. We could do that and feed and house all the junkies in the USA for a fraction of the cost that we are currently paying for interdiction and incarceration.
It's time to end prohibition. It's not working.
This is one mans personal opinion, it's not a stance of the USASG its just me.
As to the rest I agree, he was just a troll, he probably didn't even believe what he was writing.
A2.
Coming from a family that ALL of the members have died from either drug or alcohol addictions or both, thanks for ending this senseless tirade and BS. It's a known and well proven medical fact that the genetic propensity for addictions pass to the child family members of addicts / alcoholics. Some never follow that path, and many others do, my daughter and grandkids are aware of the propensity and are taking a hard pass on alcohol etc, from what my wife and I passed on to them.
My mom, dad, older brother, and first wife are all gone from this disorder / disease, whatever you care to characterize this as. I'll listen to anyone if all they want to do is rant and rave, but actively telling them they are a waste oxygen and space pushes that limit, it's getting too much. Thank you again for putting an end to it.
G Class of '91.
MaximusKahn
05-25-23, 09:48
Not sure why it happens, but people seem to take a negative opinion of people who are not exactly like them.
We don't need to separate and divide those who like FS from those who enjoy HE. We're both after interaction with females for sexual pleasure.
If a half hour session with wild sex is your passion great. If you want an hour long massage with just teasing and a HE is your thing, that is great too.
FS guys bashing HE guys and HE guys bashing FS guys makes no sense. I do this hobby right because I do it this way, and you're lame because you do it that way?
It is like Harley riders bashing Suzuki riders and vice versa. You both ride motorcycles! I'm cool because I ride this, your not cool because you ride that? Belongs in stupid shit doesn't it?
Nobody says you have to understand their attraction to what they like, but try to recognize the similarities instead of the differences. Can we can do that? If we can't expect the stupid shit forum to be very active.
CuriousVaMan
05-28-23, 01:12
Hmm. What's the saying? Oh yea, if it flies, floats or fucks. Rent it!
I haven't done all the accounting, but it seems cheaper to rent than to buy. The current model will become to expensive to maintain, and the trade in value will be limited buying a new model doesn't begin to make sense. And you have lots of sunk costs (weddings, vacations to in-laws, etc) and recurring costs to think about. The advantages of leasing you're always riding the latest rides, no long term contracts, pay for what you need when you need it, wide selection. The list goes on!
DrPornDawger
05-28-23, 01:46
I haven't done all the accounting, but it seems cheaper to rent than to buy. The current model will become to expensive to maintain, and the trade in value will be limited buying a new model doesn't begin to make sense. And you have lots of sunk costs (weddings, vacations to in-laws, etc) and recurring costs to think about. The advantages of leasing you're always riding the latest rides, no long term contracts, pay for what you need when you need it, wide selection. The list goes on!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xQF7RDSjQYQ&start=570
2023 prices.
Let's see personally I've been getting my full treatments at 4 x week. Avg. 150-250 (HF included) per session (600-1000) yearly. Cost 31200-52000. About 41,600.
Half treatments. 3-5 x week (120-140) HF included. On the high side 36,400.
2012 prices.
Full Treatment 150 (HF included) 40 for the hour back then, those were the days. 31,200.
1/2 treatment 80-100 (HF included).
Damn I spend a lot on pussy.
HermanMiller
06-02-23, 17:29
Please don't get me in trouble for asking this, but whatever happened to that provider Cris that was causing drama last year? I think there were shills involved.
I'm asking because it is helpful for a recreational user here to be able to spot shills or to know whether the review is honest. There are times when I really don't know.
Thank you,
Please don't get me in trouble for asking this, but whatever happened to that provider Cris that was causing drama last year? I think there were shills involved.
I'm asking because it is helpful for a recreational user here to be able to spot shills or to know whether the review is honest. There are times when I really don't know.
Thank you,I have a gut feeling Cris is connected to Spa Hans on pacific heights. Don't ask me how I know. Just a hunch.
I think someone who also uses my cell provider (verizon, san diego) got IP banned or something. I have no trouble accessing the site from my laptop. I also have no trouble accessing the site from my phone, as long as my phone is connected to wireless. However, when I'm on cell service and I'm trying to access, it never loads. It doesn't even say connection error or anything, it just goes black. Anyone else having this issue, and if so, how did you deal with it?
Thanks.
CityboysUp
06-04-23, 20:19
I have a gut feeling Cris is connected to Spa Hans on pacific heights. Don't ask me how I know. Just a hunch.Back when I was arguing with a guy who has since been banned, he would always shill for Cris and SDAsiangirls. I think they are closely connected based on how I followed the trend on their posts.
It's gotten a lot quieter but also because their service paled in comparison to a lot of the really popular AMPs out there.
I think someone who also uses my cell provider (verizon, san diego) got IP banned or something. I have no trouble accessing the site from my laptop. I also have no trouble accessing the site from my phone, as long as my phone is connected to wireless. However, when I'm on cell service and I'm trying to access, it never loads. It doesn't even say connection error or anything, it just goes black. Anyone else having this issue, and if so, how did you deal with it?
Thanks.Do you remember every time the FCC wanted to get rid of something called Net Neutrality and everybody in the tech world would tell you it was really bad. I December 2017 voting along party lines the FCC repealed neutrality, before that all ISP's were required to treat all packets the same, didn't matter what they were.
The then chair of the FCC used to be a lobbyist for Verizon trying to repeal NN.
Now ISP's can filter content as they see fit.
Verizon blocks us, they prohibit you for accessing this content.
They had the fucking balls to call this "Restoring Internet freedom" the didn't restore anything, they gave the cable companies the right to decide what you can and cannot access.
I'd switch to a different ISP.
A2.
Porn in AR, holy moly!
3 of the top 25 of the world's most popular websites are porn.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-worlds-top-25-websites-in-2023/
AnalCreamDream
06-06-23, 00:18
I think someone who also uses my cell provider (verizon, san diego) got IP banned or something. I have no trouble accessing the site from my laptop. I also have no trouble accessing the site from my phone, as long as my phone is connected to wireless. However, when I'm on cell service and I'm trying to access, it never loads. It doesn't even say connection error or anything, it just goes black. Anyone else having this issue, and if so, how did you deal with it?
Thanks.I also have this problem! Thought it was just me. Never thought to check if Wi-Fi made a difference, but I just checked and Wi-Fi = works.
I also have this problem! Thought it was just me. Never thought to check if Wi-Fi made a difference, but I just checked and Wi-Fi = works.I did some testing and admin2 is correct, it's a Verizon issue.
I think someone who also uses my cell provider (verizon, san diego) got IP banned or something. I have no trouble accessing the site from my laptop. I also have no trouble accessing the site from my phone, as long as my phone is connected to wireless. However, when I'm on cell service and I'm trying to access, it never loads. It doesn't even say connection error or anything, it just goes black. Anyone else having this issue, and if so, how did you deal with it?
Thanks.I use mullvad vpn since the site stopped working for me on Verizon a few months ago.
FYI this problem cropped up a year or so ago online using multiple browsers.
The solution was to change your setting that this was a "trusted" website to access, after that the problem went away for me and several others. So check and see if you can get into those settings on your cells browser and allow access, it's being blocked because it's an offshore web location, so it's suspicious to the browser.
I think someone who also uses my cell provider (verizon, san diego) got IP banned or something. I have no trouble accessing the site from my laptop. I also have no trouble accessing the site from my phone, as long as my phone is connected to wireless. However, when I'm on cell service and I'm trying to access, it never loads. It doesn't even say connection error or anything, it just goes black. Anyone else having this issue, and if so, how did you deal with it?
Thanks.
MaximusKahn
06-07-23, 08:55
Hmm. What's the saying? Oh yea, if it flies, floats or fucks. Rent it!When we are just in it for the sexual fun, and plan to come and go.
When we want to enjoy the pleasures without any string attached or emotional BS.
When we want to enjoy multiple players, separately, or at the same time.
When we want a specific, or a variety activities, and she'll do what other won't, or do it a special way.
When we want to enjoy someone born in a younger generation, or taste another race.
When an occasional visit is all we need to be satisfied.
When we are not looking for or need a "conversation".
When we only want to play with someone now and then, or for a short time.
When getting it at our convenience and easily are important points.
When we plan to tell our friends all about her, so they can enjoy her too.
That said, the nicer you are, and the more often you go, tends to increase the quality of the service. So even if you are renting, it's best to behave as if they mean more than that to you.
Treat your rentals right because you will want to rent the good ones again.
Hmm. What's the saying? Oh yea, if it flies, floats or fucks. Rent it!Man, my one dream for life is to be financially secure enough to be single. I'm married but really if I won a jackpot I'd be gone. Perfectly happy just getting professionals and living the rest of my life single. This is a fantasy though, I'll never have that kind of money or even close so I'll always need to split the rent with the wife.
Rey KittyHawk
06-10-23, 10:05
FYI this problem cropped up a year or so ago online using multiple browsers.
The solution was to change your setting that this was a "trusted" website to access, after that the problem went away for me and several others. So check and see if you can get into those settings on your cells browser and allow access, it's being blocked because it's an offshore web location, so it's suspicious to the browser.I noticed I couldn't get to the site after I upgraded my phone to a S23 with the G5 network. And my carrier is Verizon.
I chave the same problem with Spectrum mobile as they use the Verizon network.
My work around is using the Hidemyass VPN service, as it is free and then you have access again.
I noticed I couldn't get to the site after I upgraded my phone to a S23 with the G5 network. And my carrier is Verizon.
Backstage99
06-17-23, 13:45
Has anyone ever received a shake down text message from an 818 number here?
I recently received one this morning (I know. Stupid me for using my actual phone and not a burner) but the texter sent my home address and info on relatives. They were all in Spanish though. I assume this is some Mexican dude trying to shake me down.
I was planning on not responding or possibly informing them I'm a Second Amendment gun carrying citizen and have relatives in the SDPD and Homeland Security.
Any advice would be helpful. Leaning towards no response but wanted to get your ideas. I'll be switching to a burner shortly. What an ass.
DrPornDawger
06-19-23, 19:32
Has anyone ever received a shake down text message from an 818 number here?
I recently received one this morning (I know. Stupid me for using my actual phone and not a burner) but the texter sent my home address and info on relatives. They were all in Spanish though. I assume this is some Mexican dude trying to shake me down.
I was planning on not responding or possibly informing them I'm a Second Amendment gun carrying citizen and have relatives in the SDPD and Homeland Security.
Any advice would be helpful. Leaning towards no response but wanted to get your ideas. I'll be switching to a burner shortly. What an ass.I reversed search the images and it pointed to people being tortured in South America.
I have couple of burner phones and numbers. I replied back to it with different numbers stating I'm with a government agency and I know where they are located. Usually happens when I go see a provider and I get catfished and I don't go to the meetup or the deposit scam. I also tell them I'm with A cartel and don't be doing business in the area.
A burner Google voice account is your friend.
Has anyone ever received a shake down text message from an 818 number here?
I recently received one this morning (I know. Stupid me for using my actual phone and not a burner) but the texter sent my home address and info on relatives. They were all in Spanish though. I assume this is some Mexican dude trying to shake me down.
I was planning on not responding or possibly informing them I'm a Second Amendment gun carrying citizen and have relatives in the SDPD and Homeland Security.
Any advice would be helpful. Leaning towards no response but wanted to get your ideas. I'll be switching to a burner shortly. What an ass.
Jaguar300ZX
06-20-23, 11:29
Has anyone ever received a shake down text message from an 818 number here?
I recently received one this morning (I know. Stupid me for using my actual phone and not a burner) but the texter sent my home address and info on relatives. They were all in Spanish though. I assume this is some Mexican dude trying to shake me down.
I was planning on not responding or possibly informing them I'm a Second Amendment gun carrying citizen and have relatives in the SDPD and Homeland Security.
Any advice would be helpful. Leaning towards no response but wanted to get your ideas. I'll be switching to a burner shortly. What an ass.My advice is DON'T reply! And BLOCK that phone number.
Any engagement you have with them will only drag you further down a Rabbit hole.
There's a lot of internet database sites that do reverse phone number searches, and will provide some personal info related to the searched phone number.
(EX: your current & previous address, all other phone numbers associated to you, and the names of your relatives).
It'a an amateurish attempt to extort you, because they obviously don't have anything real to use against you.
But they do have enough info to make your life a Nightmare if you provoke them.
PoonTangJohnny
06-20-23, 13:51
I'm all about discourse, if you want to try and persuade me I'll give you the chance. I'll listen to any reasonable considered argument that evolves with facts and then weigh it. I may never agree with you but as long as the discourse is civil and I have time I'm happy to listen.
I hope he didn't persuade you, he and everybody who thinks that addiction is about a weakness of character are simply wrong. Not bad people, just incorrect.
If you want to know how a modern society successfully deals with addiction look to Portugal. I've been sober forever and I personally think we should decriminalize all drugs and give them to people for free. Let people smoke, snort, eat, shoot whatever drug they want. We could do that and feed and house all the junkies in the USA for a fraction of the cost that we are currently paying for interdiction and incarceration.
It's time to end prohibition. It's not working.
This is one mans personal opinion, it's not a stance of the USASG its just me.
As to the rest I agree, he was just a troll, he probably didn't even believe what he was writing.
A2.Late in coming, but still felt the need to respond.
First & foremost: Congrat's on your continued sobriety, A2! I sincerely mean this.
And I have to commend you, for giving this guy a very long leash so he could have his say on this subject, and then pretty much let him self-destruct on his own.
And no, this guy didn't persuade me that addiction, is a "weakness. " < However, I did used to strongly feel this way (that addiction was a weakness).
These past few years, however, I've witnessed so many people (ladies working in this hobby & family / friend's) sadly succumb to their seemingly possessed addictions. I tried helping a few of these people offering them support in every way imaginable. But nothing I could do or say, could alter their course / self-destructive behavior. Even my own brother, nothing can seem to make him see how badly alcohol is / had destroyed his life, and he's already hit rock bottom and almost died, once already.
Because of these people, I've had a change of heart, compassion and understanding.
BillyIsTheOne
06-21-23, 00:02
It really sucks that I have absolutely no one in real life that I can talk to about this stuff so I guess I will post it here. Most of you guys are not repeaters but I'm the kind of guy that keeps seeing girls past their due date. I guess its because I get really good deals and expanded menus. So I got this gal I've been seeing for about a year. Once or twice a week. I get 'no limit' service for 160. Pop as many times as I want. Stay as long as I want (within reason) but now its coming to an end. She's cute enough, The problem is she is gaining too much weight. She's 5'5 and probably 150 lbs now. She was about 120 when we started. She knows I'm getting bored and she knows exactly what I want and how to deliverit after this much time together. I need a pop about every three days so she starts texting me, sending me pics, porn clips. 'Can you come over and cum in my mouth?' I want you fuck my mouth and pussy back and forth, mmmmm' Other than the weight, its kind of a dream come true to have someone ready at the drop of a hat, lives close by, who will do anything you want for super cheap. I either need to tell her to start losing weight or I need to cut her loose. What should I do?
PoonTangJohnny
06-21-23, 01:29
It really sucks that I have absolutely no one in real life that I can talk to about this stuff so I guess I will post it here. Most of you guys are not repeaters but I'm the kind of guy that keeps seeing girls past their due date. I guess its because I get really good deals and expanded menus. So I got this gal I've been seeing for about a year. Once or twice a week. I get 'no limit' service for 160. Pop as many times as I want. Stay as long as I want (within reason) but now its coming to an end. She's cute enough, The problem is she is gaining too much weight. She's 5'5 and probably 150 lbs now. She was about 120 when we started. She knows I'm getting bored and she knows exactly what I want and how to deliverit after this much time together. I need a pop about every three days so she starts texting me, sending me pics, porn clips. 'Can you come over and cum in my mouth?' I want you fuck my mouth and pussy back and forth, mmmmm' Other than the weight, its kind of a dream come true to have someone ready at the drop of a hat, lives close by, who will do anything you want for super cheap. I either need to tell her to start losing weight or I need to cut her loose. What should I do?LMAO! I don't mean to make light of your situation. But just Be thankful, that you're Not married to this woman!
Otherwise, you'd be just like about every other unhappy married hobbyist here, in search for something their wives, aren't. And I can relate, I don't care what kind of deal I'm getting (Bare FS / even free), if a chicks overweight & I'm not attracted to her, I wouldn't fuck her for free!
I see a surprisingly large percentage of the guys here, posting links / pics of disgustingly obese, filthy looking drug addicts that they're happily in love with fucking. And if these ungodly looking women can make some of these guys here happy, then more power to them.
Count your Blessings, Billy! No child support, no alimony. Maybe it's finally time for you to just move on. The 1 thing truth I've learned (whether in this hobby or relationships) in life, is that nothing great, lasts forever.
DrPornDawger
06-21-23, 01:30
It really sucks that I have absolutely no one in real life that I can talk to about this stuff so I guess I will post it here. Most of you guys are not repeaters but I'm the kind of guy that keeps seeing girls past their due date. I guess its because I get really good deals and expanded menus. So I got this gal I've been seeing for about a year. Once or twice a week. I get 'no limit' service for 160. Pop as many times as I want. Stay as long as I want (within reason) but now its coming to an end. She's cute enough, The problem is she is gaining too much weight. She's 5'5 and probably 150 lbs now. She was about 120 when we started. She knows I'm getting bored and she knows exactly what I want and how to deliverit after this much time together. I need a pop about every three days so she starts texting me, sending me pics, porn clips. 'Can you come over and cum in my mouth?' I want you fuck my mouth and pussy back and forth, mmmmm' Other than the weight, its kind of a dream come true to have someone ready at the drop of a hat, lives close by, who will do anything you want for super cheap. I either need to tell her to start losing weight or I need to cut her loose. What should I do?I ain't Dr. Ruth or Dr. Oz nor any emotional Dr.
This article might help or not.
https://www.doctornerdlove.com/tell-them-i-dont-want-sex/
I would just ghost them.
HermanMiller
06-21-23, 01:42
I ain't Dr. Ruth or Dr. Oz nor any emotional Dr.
This article might help or not.
https://www.doctornerdlove.com/tell-them-i-dont-want-sex/
I would just ghost them.Tell her you are in a relationship. She will understand. IF you ghost her or say something mean, you might never see her again -- even if she loses weight or you decide to see her again.
BillyIsTheOne
06-21-23, 01:43
I ain't Dr. Ruth or Dr. Oz nor any emotional Dr.
This article might help or not.
https://www.doctornerdlove.com/tell-them-i-dont-want-sex/
I would just ghost them.Thanks for that man, that was a great read LOL.
Tell her you are in a relationship. She will understand. IF you ghost her or say something mean, you might never see her again -- even if she loses weight or you decide to see her again.This is good advice.
I had a similar relationship that spanned years with a local provider. I had to move on for different reasons than yours, but I ended things with some harsh words and I kindof regret that. Just bow out by saying you're in a relationship.
MaximusKahn
06-21-23, 11:38
I understand both the connection you made, and the change you feel with her weight gain. With providers it’s all about attraction and quality of service. When one or both of them changes, well we want to move on.
I'm like you and love to repeat good experiences and tend to build rapport with a provider that I'm attracted too.
Since she clearly likes you as a customer, and since you go so much she's also been counting on your visits for income, she's after the money too.
The only excuses a provider might accept, is you found love, you ran out of money, or you're moving far away.
They know we are temporary in their lives and know we will leave, or they will leave. I suggest being kind about it, you never know when you may want to go back, or will bump into her again at another spa.
Some time ago I had my Long Term All Time Favorite move back to China. Gone, and to be honest it was a terrible feeling.
The only excuses I would have accepted, is, if she found love, was quitting the business completely, or was moving far away.
All the best of luck, hope it works out for everyone. Mx.
It really sucks that I have absolutely no one in real life that I can talk to about this stuff so I guess I will post it here. Most of you guys are not repeaters but I'm the kind of guy that keeps seeing girls past their due date. I guess its because I get really good deals and expanded menus. So I got this gal I've been seeing for about a year. Once or twice a week. I get 'no limit' service for 160. Pop as many times as I want. Stay as long as I want (within reason) but now its coming to an end. She's cute enough, The problem is she is gaining too much weight. She's 5'5 and probably 150 lbs now. She was about 120 when we started. She knows I'm getting bored and she knows exactly what I want and how to deliverit after this much time together. I need a pop about every three days so she starts texting me, sending me pics, porn clips. 'Can you come over and cum in my mouth?' I want you fuck my mouth and pussy back and forth, mmmmm' Other than the weight, its kind of a dream come true to have someone ready at the drop of a hat, lives close by, who will do anything you want for super cheap. I either need to tell her to start losing weight or I need to cut her loose. What should I do?
Jaguar300ZX
06-21-23, 18:04
It really sucks that I have absolutely no one in real life that I can talk to about this stuff so I guess I will post it here. Most of you guys are not repeaters but I'm the kind of guy that keeps seeing girls past their due date. I guess its because I get really good deals and expanded menus. So I got this gal I've been seeing for about a year. Once or twice a week. I get 'no limit' service for 160. Pop as many times as I want. Stay as long as I want (within reason) but now its coming to an end. She's cute enough, The problem is she is gaining too much weight. She's 5'5 and probably 150 lbs now. She was about 120 when we started. She knows I'm getting bored and she knows exactly what I want and how to deliver it after this much time together. I need a pop about every three days so she starts texting me, sending me pics, porn clips. 'Can you come over and cum in my mouth?' I want you fuck my mouth and pussy back and forth, mmmmm' Other than the weight, its kind of a dream come true to have someone ready at the drop of a hat, lives close by, who will do anything you want for super cheap. I either need to tell her to start losing weight or I need to cut her loose. What should I do?The problem is all inside your head you see, the answer is quite easy if you take it logically.
I'd like to help you in your struggle to be free, there must be 50-ways to leave your lover.
It's really not my habit to intrude, furthermore, I hope my meaning won't be lost or misconstrued.
But, I'll repeat myself, at the risk of being crude, there must be 50-ways to leave your lover.
Just slip out the back Jack, . Make a new plan Stan, . You don't need to be coy Roy, . Just get yourself free.
Hop on the bus Gus, . You don't need to discuss much, . Just drop off the key Lee, . And get yourself free.
Rey KittyHawk
06-23-23, 10:00
It really sucks that I have absolutely no one in real life that I can talk to about this stuff so I guess I will post it here. Most of you guys are not repeaters but I'm the kind of guy that keeps seeing girls past their due date. I guess its because I get really good deals and expanded menus. So I got this gal I've been seeing for about a year. Once or twice a week. I get 'no limit' service for 160. Pop as many times as I want. Stay as long as I want (within reason) but now its coming to an end. She's cute enough, The problem is she is gaining too much weight. She's 5'5 and probably 150 lbs now. She was about 120 when we started. She knows I'm getting bored and she knows exactly what I want and how to deliverit after this much time together. I need a pop about every three days so she starts texting me, sending me pics, porn clips. 'Can you come over and cum in my mouth?' I want you fuck my mouth and pussy back and forth, mmmmm' Other than the weight, its kind of a dream come true to have someone ready at the drop of a hat, lives close by, who will do anything you want for super cheap. I either need to tell her to start losing weight or I need to cut her loose. What should I do?I think many of us Monger so we can enjoy the fun, thrills, and frills with a NSA relationship.
Your experience is a lesson to us all to be cautious about becoming attached, or letting our girls become attached to us.
Don't go to often, enjoy it too much, or spend a fortune on one. Spread out the love and the wealth amongst several if not many and you won't have to worry about breaking up with a "girlfriend. ".
I always spread out my visits. Continuously seeing the same girl several times a week for continuous weeks is dangerous and in my opinion can only lead to problems.
And the reasons Quoting Paul Simon's - 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, was very funny.
I don't think I've gone over 500, and that's extremely rare for me. But I have paid it a few times under very specific circumstances. If I'm paying that much, I don't want condoms involved and it's got to be a low-volume girl, or porn star. I'd probably go up to 1000 for like, my favorite American or Japanese pornstar. But even that seems crazy when I could have 3 awesome sessions with beautiful women for the same cost. How about y'all? (And this is def not a brag session, I usually don't pay more than 300 total for anything).
MaximusKahn
06-23-23, 23:20
You're not be bagging but it seems like you are bragging and just trying to start up a thread.
Price is variable to who, and what you will get.
Quality and class and situation all apply.
If you are paying a grand for fun. You are with stupid rich or she is amazing hot. Or both.
I don't think I've gone over 500, and that's extremely rare for me. But I have paid it a few times under very specific circumstances. If I'm paying that much, I don't want condoms involved and it's got to be a low-volume girl, or porn star. I'd probably go up to 1000 for like, my favorite American or Japanese pornstar. But even that seems crazy when I could have 3 awesome sessions with beautiful women for the same cost. How about y'all? (And this is def not a brag session, I usually don't pay more than 300 total for anything).
RolfTorren
06-23-23, 23:50
I think I forked over $400 once when Roz Cummings was running a special. A super nice lady and amazing sex. Normally that would have been out of my price range but I just happened to have it and wanted to splurge. I've thought of saving up for a local pornstar like Blair Williams but not sure its worth it. $260 used to be my upper limit for 1 hr FS. These days for me at least I think better vslue is found in 1 hr fbsm sessions that include body slides and p2 p.
I don't think I've gone over 500, and that's extremely rare for me. But I have paid it a few times under very specific circumstances. If I'm paying that much, I don't want condoms involved and it's got to be a low-volume girl, or porn star. I'd probably go up to 1000 for like, my favorite American or Japanese pornstar. But even that seems crazy when I could have 3 awesome sessions with beautiful women for the same cost. How about y'all? (And this is def not a brag session, I usually don't pay more than 300 total for anything).
You're not be bagging but it seems like you are bragging and just trying to start up a thread.
Price is variable to who, and what you will get.
Quality and class and situation all apply.
If you are paying a grand for fun. You are with stupid rich or she is amazing hot. Or both.I was trying to start a discussion yeah but not bragging. I said I usually don't pay more than 300, which is about what a good AMP session costs (220-260). What made me think of this is I was looking on tryst.com and I was laughing to myself at how many of these women are asking more than 1000/ hr on there. I was like "who is paying that! So I figured maybe some of you are.
HermanMiller
06-24-23, 13:45
I think I forked over $400 once when Roz Cummings was running a special. A super nice lady and amazing sex. Normally that would have been out of my price range but I just happened to have it and wanted to splurge. I've thought of saving up for a local pornstar like Blair Williams but not sure its worth it. $260 used to be my upper limit for 1 hr FS. These days for me at least I think better vslue is found in 1 hr fbsm sessions that include body slides and p2 p.How does one get a hold of Blair Willams? She's local in San Diego? Thanks!
HermanMiller
06-24-23, 19:02
How does one get a hold of Blair Willams? She's local in San Diego? Thanks!Rhetorical question. I can look it up. Wow. That would be incredible. It looks like well north of 1. 5.
DrPornDawger
06-29-23, 19:27
What boob is for you?
I am a boob man ("medium handfuls" but not so much on man made ones.
I'm more au natural, I've met women with deflated ones by the children, sagging ones.
What I've seen is the swooping breast type.
See images
I think many of us Monger so we can enjoy the fun, thrills, and frills with a NSA relationship.
Your experience is a lesson to us all to be cautious about becoming attached, or letting our girls become attached to us.
Don't go to often, enjoy it too much, or spend a fortune on one. Spread out the love and the wealth amongst several if not many and you won't have to worry about breaking up with a "girlfriend. ".
I always spread out my visits. Continuously seeing the same girl several times a week for continuous weeks is dangerous and in my opinion can only lead to problems.
And the reasons Quoting Paul Simon's - 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, was very funny.I still get hounded by a sugar baby that got attached. As recently as two weeks ago I got texts and missed calls. NSA is key!
MaximusKahn
06-30-23, 08:42
What boob is for you?
I am a boob man ("medium handfuls" but not so much on man made ones.
I'm more au natural, I've met women with deflated ones by the children, sagging ones.
What I've seen is the swooping breast type.
See imagesI love natural boobs too, but love many types. To me the woman makes her boobs sexy, but no doubt, perky firm breasts can make almost any woman sexy.
To quote the comedian Ron White " once you've see one. You want to see them all".
It really sucks that I have absolutely no one in real life that I can talk to about this stuff so I guess I will post it here. Most of you guys are not repeaters but I'm the kind of guy that keeps seeing girls past their due date. I guess its because I get really good deals and expanded menus. So I got this gal I've been seeing for about a year. Once or twice a week. I get 'no limit' service for 160. Pop as many times as I want. Stay as long as I want (within reason) but now its coming to an end. She's cute enough, The problem is she is gaining too much weight. She's 5'5 and probably 150 lbs now. She was about 120 when we started. She knows I'm getting bored and she knows exactly what I want and how to deliverit after this much time together. I need a pop about every three days so she starts texting me, sending me pics, porn clips. 'Can you come over and cum in my mouth?' I want you fuck my mouth and pussy back and forth, mmmmm' Other than the weight, its kind of a dream come true to have someone ready at the drop of a hat, lives close by, who will do anything you want for super cheap. I either need to tell her to start losing weight or I need to cut her loose. What should I do?Post some pics and number so you can pass her go someone else my man. Seems like a lot of the people here have no problem with bigger girls.
DrPornDawger
06-30-23, 20:19
Post some pics and number so you can pass her go someone else my man. Seems like a lot of the people here have no problem with bigger girls.How Big is she?
https://naughtynsexy.com/talent/spencer-thomas/
https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/SpencerThomas
TAZ.
https://ibb.co/album/r4jrwC
Hayden.
https://ibb.co/album/hYW93r
How Big is she?
https://naughtynsexy.com/talent/spencer-thomas/
https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/SpencerThomas
TAZ.
https://ibb.co/album/r4jrwC
Hayden.
https://ibb.co/album/hYW93rMannnnnn! I miss Hayden. She was always a good ass fuck. Sucks what happened to her.
SheriffBart
07-01-23, 10:57
I stumbled on those pics of Taz on HX a few months ago and I did a double take. She sure has aged in 10 years but then again I guess we all have.
When I saw Spencer Thomas last year she looked nothing like that, and not in a good way.
HermanMiller
07-01-23, 15:38
Mannnnnn! I miss Hayden. She was always a good ass fuck. Sucks what happened to her.WHat happened to Hayden? Is she coming back? I loved her and the women she brought around.
Mannnnnn! I miss Hayden. She was always a good ass fuck. Sucks what happened to her.Oh no, what happened to Hayden? I was hoping she'd be back.
Dude you can't rip the mike away from the mc say your stuff then drop the mike wondering if we will ever be able to have bare Hayden again? What's the skinny?
Oh no, what happened to Hayden? I was hoping she'd be back.
MaximusKahn
07-02-23, 10:11
Don't be one of those guys who posts he's got great intel, then says he won't tell you, because he doesn't know you, or that he only tells trusted Mongers in PM.
The guy who posted to a specific monger, in the main forum, I know a special spinner nobody knows about who is awesome and does amazing UTR fun, that you will like, I sent you a PM, is one of those Jackasses.
Then that same monger acts surprised and complains guys are asking who, what, where, as if he has no clue guys will ask when you say in the open forum you have hot intel.
This is childish and looks like they are desperate for guys to beg him for information he's said he has. And looks like an ass hat when he tells those asking he only tells trusted mongers.
And then gets all superior and posts his complaints in the main forum, how guys are asking, and how righteous he is to keep the secret because so many monger are not worthy to know his secrets. Are you fucking kidding me? All the while acting like he's the white night protecting the women, from the douche bag mongers.
Grow fucking up, if you want to share, share, if you don't want to share don't. Stop advertising in the main forum, I got a secret, I got a secret, but I won't tell you. Stupid Shit.
Thanks for reading my rant.
Dude you can't rip the mike away from the mc say your stuff then drop the mike wondering if we will ever be able to have bare Hayden again? What's the skinny?She got lost in the fenty. Last I saw her she hit it in front of me after I filled her up and that kinda was it for me. I did also see her "sister" Veronica who she'd do doubles with. I think that was her name was and she stopped talking to Hayden for the same reason. She got lost in the sauce.
RChangDatyKing
07-03-23, 00:11
So I'm on a mini vacation with an UTR and received several texts from trusted mongers here that a dbag on the site is calling me out and told me who it was. I hadn't read any of this dbag's posts in 6 months. So I guess I should be honored it's about me. Here goes the shot show again!
This is the type of dbag is why (I) and maybe many others keep our UTRs to ourselves. He's pissed because he didn't get the same intel so he's now trying to tell me where and how to post! This was most of his posts 6 months ago, condescending, trying to give people advice (Mr. All-knowing), trying to tell (me) and people what to do like with his rant (not only is the rant under SS but on another forum because he wants to be heard). Guess what (I) or some of us don't care! If this dbag knew about some of my UTRs he would be the type that would show the girls my posts because he didn't get his way with them. What a fuckin baby! Many of the guys on the site did reached out to me asking about the UTR but they also said they understand if I can't or won't share it but this dbag is calling me out. For what? I know you're missing the other dbags that will sometimes defend you. Maybe they'll still show up with their other handles. LOL. I've said this time and time again, block me if you don't like my posts. I won't be disappointed.
Sorry if my post about the UTR reminded you of your childhood where you didn't get picked on a PE sport team until the end. You're now a grown man and you are still not in the popular crowd and that hurts you. Try stop calling people out if it doesn't involve you and maybe you might be on a winning team one day.
Happy July 4th All!
NoGrowthMan
07-03-23, 05:38
It is a shame. She keeps starting and stopping escorting. Gets a boyfriend, stops. Boy goes to prison, starts. Gets a girlfriend, stops. Looses girlfriend, starts. Hayden was always an odd one. Wouldn't kiss but went ass to mouth. (Perhaps that's why she didn't kiss. Ok I withdraw that comment. Do you think Hillary ever went ass to mouth, even by accident for round two?
We need more thin bare ****** in our town.
She got lost in the fenty. Last I saw her she hit it in front of me after I filled her up and that kinda was it for me. I did also see her "sister" Veronica who she'd do doubles with. I think that was her name was and she stopped talking to Hayden for the same reason. She got lost in the sauce.
MaximusKahn
07-03-23, 09:53
I appreciate you recognizing yourself.
Most Pompous Jackasses won't admit that is what they do.
And like kids now a days do, who feel they can justify anything, and talk their way around some stupid shit they do.
I enjoyed your analysis of what you believe to be my life. Alway entertaining when fool explain things they know nothing about.
You actually think you're the only one on here who has friends, and has hot secret intel. We just discretely pass it between each other in PM.
We don't have to brag about our secrets, or vacations, or how many of the girls text us to visit in the main forum.
You also think seem to enjoy idea of the in crowd, just like the kids do. As if you're part of the in crowd.
Happy 4th!
DrPornDawger
07-03-23, 17:11
Would that number be separate and different people or the number of each instance? Does anyone really care?
It is a shame. She keeps starting and stopping escorting. Gets a boyfriend, stops. Boy goes to prison, starts. Gets a girlfriend, stops. Looses girlfriend, starts. Hayden was always an odd one. Wouldn't kiss but went ass to mouth. (Perhaps that's why she didn't kiss. Ok I withdraw that comment. Do you think Hillary ever went ass to mouth, even by accident for round two?
We need more thin bare ****** in our town.Nice. The EBDB is strong here. Need to look at the EBDB at the BnB. And never forget Don't compromise, Notorize!
Would that number be separate and different people or the number of each instance? Does anyone really care?Body count definitely refers to diff women imo. No one cares how many times we have sex with our wives haha.
To the guy who PM'd me this.
You've been here for just a few short months.....claiming you've seen all these girls with all this AMP experience.....yet not a single review here blah blah blah. YGTBFKM! And you expect to be taken seriously!?
I know this will probably hurt your fragile ego... But I'd be willing to bet money, that your lack of passionate GFE experiences you seem to have with AMP girls, is most likely because they don't find you physically attractive and quite frankly, just aren't in to you.... or feeling it.
And that's why your experiences with Cici were "mediocre." It's you! Not her. Get over it.You're a real piece of work and frankly a whole waste of Inbox space so I'm addressing you here.
1. Just because I haven't posted on USG more than a handful of times doesn't mean I haven't been in the hobby for quite some time. I'm an older gentleman now, but still don't have time to disclose every encounter. If anything, this doesn't make me a shill, more of a lurker but I can work on that.
2. What gave you the idea that I have a lack of passionate GFE's? I made one comment stating that a provider didn't quite reach the hype they were receiving and out of nowhere I get a livid message from your lame butt.
3. Your whole "I bet providers don't like you because you're fat and ugly" type of commentary sounds straight out of Mean Girls LOL. Pootie, you know nothing about me, what I look like, how much money I make, etc.
You got to get over yourself baby. Yeah, so I took a jab at all your exclamation points, and how much you gas these ladies up. But let's face it, I'm pretty certain others find some of what you share a bit overboard if not annoying. Yes you've made invaluable contributions, but that still doesn't mean you're not a pompous asshat that seems to thirst for forum fame.
This will be the last thing I say to you on here, and don't every PM again ya lame.
CityboysUp
07-06-23, 17:52
Let's refrain from attacking other hobbyists personally. We're here to identify providers who are good and distinguish them from the ones who are bad.
If your experiences differ from another person's, just chalk it up to a YMMV situation. Providers are allowed to have bad days or things they don't like in hobbyists, but at the same time, we as hobbyists can mark that as a red flag. Consistently good service wins points, and service is highly variable may lose points.
But we shouldn't be defending the providers. That's what the bookers do when they're creeping on this forum. Let them do all that bullshit. But there's no reason any of us should be playing favorites with these girls, they're professionals, they work for your money. They're not your girlfriend, they're not your partner, don't put them on a pedestal when you are just another customer and they are selling a service.
Let's get back to leaving reviews of our own individualized experiences and let the hobbyists decide if a girl is good or not.
It is a shame. She keeps starting and stopping escorting. Gets a boyfriend, stops. Boy goes to prison, starts. Gets a girlfriend, stops. Looses girlfriend, starts. Hayden was always an odd one. Wouldn't kiss but went ass to mouth. (Perhaps that's why she didn't kiss. Ok I withdraw that comment. Do you think Hillary ever went ass to mouth, even by accident for round two?
We need more thin bare ****** in our town.Hayden is back. Was browsing LC and saw her ad. I wonder what she's looking like rn. I might take the jump LOL.
Like I said in the title, this is probably the wrong place to put this, but is anyone having issues with replying to Private Messages? I'm getting some sort of Bad Proxy message when I try to send them. Does anyone have suggestions for fixing this?
-TJNiko.
Hayden is back. Was browsing LC and saw her ad. I wonder what she's looking like rn. I might take the jump LOL.I couldn't locate her on LC. When I serached for her, all I found was listings for her friend Genesis.
What boob is for you?
I am a boob man ("medium handfuls" but not so much on man made ones.
I'm more au natural, I've met women with deflated ones by the children, sagging ones.
What I've seen is the swooping breast type.
See imagesNumber 1 reminds of my ATF BSW Kayla. Damn shame she left.
It really sucks that I have absolutely no one in real life that I can talk to about this stuff so I guess I will post it here. Most of you guys are not repeaters but I'm the kind of guy that keeps seeing girls past their due date. I guess its because I get really good deals and expanded menus. So I got this gal I've been seeing for about a year. Once or twice a week. I get 'no limit' service for 160. Pop as many times as I want. Stay as long as I want (within reason) but now its coming to an end. She's cute enough, The problem is she is gaining too much weight. She's 5'5 and probably 150 lbs now. She was about 120 when we started. She knows I'm getting bored and she knows exactly what I want and how to deliverit after this much time together. I need a pop about every three days so she starts texting me, sending me pics, porn clips. 'Can you come over and cum in my mouth?' I want you fuck my mouth and pussy back and forth, mmmmm' Other than the weight, its kind of a dream come true to have someone ready at the drop of a hat, lives close by, who will do anything you want for super cheap. I either need to tell her to start losing weight or I need to cut her loose. What should I do?Bro, not to be dick. But if you want to pass her on to another Monger, PM her info.
It is a shame. She keeps starting and stopping escorting. Gets a boyfriend, stops. Boy goes to prison, starts. Gets a girlfriend, stops. Looses girlfriend, starts. Hayden was always an odd one. Wouldn't kiss but went ass to mouth. (Perhaps that's why she didn't kiss. Ok I withdraw that comment. Do you think Hillary ever went ass to mouth, even by accident for round two?
We need more thin bare ****** in our town.I'll be willing TOFTT with her and see how she is now.
The real stupid shit is what my apt is asking for rent renewal on a 1 br in mission valley. Getting a "deal" for 2600 and they want 3450 to renew. Must be out of your freaking mind and so is anyone who rents at that price. Who the hell is paying that for a 1 br?! I know a lot of guys here make good money but surely you have more sense than to pay that for a 1 br apt. We have to move and are looking at phoenix or Vegas as options. Rents there are what they would have been here if not for the bogus inflation for no reason that happened in the last 3 years.
The real stupid shit is what my apt is asking for rent renewal on a 1 br in mission valley. Getting a "deal" for 2600 and they want 3450 to renew. Must be out of your freaking mind and so is anyone who rents at that price. Who the hell is paying that for a 1 br?! I know a lot of guys here make good money but surely you have more sense than to pay that for a 1 br apt. We have to move and are looking at phoenix or Vegas as options. Rents there are what they would have been here if not for the bogus inflation for no reason that happened in the last 3 years.I was visiting the Nintendo office in Redmond last week and they were quoting 4100 for a 1 br. The world has gone insane.
Before Covid I had a simple studio apartment in Golden Hill for 800 which I gave up since I was working from home, I fear how much that is going for now.
I couldn't locate her on LC. When I serached for her, all I found was listings for her friend Genesis.This the one I saw.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/california/sandiego/144083415
This the one I saw.
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/california/sandiego/144083415Thank you.
Less posts for sure, but those penthouse forum posts needed to go.
Hello gentlemen. I've recently posted a couple of reviews of an AMP in South Bay that is conveniently located near me and has undergone improvements in terms of the "quality" of providers. I've done so in the interest of sharing what I believe are experiences that may be useful to others. I believe that this forum is best used to inform ourselves and gauge our interest in visiting providers. This can only be accomplished if we share with one another. Having said all that, I would like to ask a question to the members of this forum.
Is it welcome that I, or other members, posts repeat visits to an AMP in order to share experiences with the same provider or multiple providers?
There seems to be some conversations lately about the shills that used to share this space with us. I do not want to be accused of doing the same simply because I've found a good AMP, that meets my criteria for a good time, which is geographically convenient to me. It does not make sense for me to drive north of the 8 freeway for what I can get down the street. I am just curious if I should continue posting reviews of this AMP, since I know that I will continue visiting until their quality no longer meets my criteria. I welcome your thoughts and opinions.
-TJNiko.
I for one am all for getting as much info as possible. I have no issues with repeat reviews of the same place if you have new information to add and / or can show a consistent service level. Keep writing man!
Hello gentlemen. I've recently posted a couple of reviews of an AMP in South Bay that is conveniently located near me and has undergone improvements in terms of the "quality" of providers. I've done so in the interest of sharing what I believe are experiences that may be useful to others. I believe that this forum is best used to inform ourselves and gauge our interest in visiting providers. This can only be accomplished if we share with one another. Having said all that, I would like to ask a question to the members of this forum.
Is it welcome that I, or other members, posts repeat visits to an AMP in order to share experiences with the same provider or multiple providers?
There seems to be some conversations lately about the shills that used to share this space with us. I do not want to be accused of doing the same simply because I've found a good AMP, that meets my criteria for a good time, which is geographically convenient to me. It does not make sense for me to drive north of the 8 freeway for what I can get down the street. I am just curious if I should continue posting reviews of this AMP, since I know that I will continue visiting until their quality no longer meets my criteria. I welcome your thoughts and opinions.
-TJNiko.
Is it welcome that I, or other members, posts repeat visits to an AMP in order to share experiences with the same provider or multiple providers?Here is my 2 cents from a non senior member. It's perfectly fine to share repeat visits and should be a benefit for all. It keeps things current for those that are researching. If you stopped sharing, it's hard to know if providers are still around or if service and tip levels have changed.
We all have the power to ignore. For those that are not interested in repeat reviews, they can simply move on to the next post. In your case, if your repeat reviews are about spa's south of the 8, then I'll be one of those guys that skips your review. No harm, no foul. But if for some reason in the future, I venture south of the 8 and I'm looking for intel, I'm sure your posts will come in handy.
Post on!
Is it welcome that I, or other members, posts repeat visits to an AMP in order to share experiences with the same provider or multiple providersYes it is, if somebody calls you a shill don't respond just report the post. I'll look at your posts and if I think you're a shill I'll take the appropriate action and if I don't I will hammer the fuck out of them.
A2
Yes it is, if somebody calls you a shill don't respond just report the post. I'll look at your posts and if I think you're a shill I'll take the appropriate action and if I don't I will hammer the fuck out of them.
A2I appreciate your response. I love this page and hate to see it reduced to infighting. I'll do my best to stay in my lane and report my experiences as best as I can.
-TJNiko.
Hello gentlemen. I've recently posted a couple of reviews of an AMP in South Bay that is conveniently located near me and has undergone improvements in terms of the "quality" of providers. I've found a good AMP, that meets my criteria for a good time, which is geographically convenient to me. It does not make sense for me to drive north of the 8 freeway for what I can get down the street. -TJNiko.I know exactly who, where and what you're talking about! Hallelujah! I feel the same way. It's been an awesome establishment since it was taken over by new mgmt. It offers everything the other FS AMPs in other parts of the county offer, and I don't have to drive to University, Convoy, or El Cajon to get the same exceptional service as this place.
Oddly, the AMP women kinda become clones of each other in my memory unless they're exceptionally outside the margins of the normal Chinese MILF. Even their names all start to become the same. Think of all the AMP providers with the same names like BiBi, Cici, Lulu, Eva, Cherry, Lola, Mimi, Yoyo, Candy, etc. I could nearly guarantee you there's a woman at every AMP with at least one of these names.
On a slightly different note I was having breakfast at the Mexican place next door this morning and saw two dudes walk in within 5 minutes of each other. Would any of you mongers who visited this establishment this morning identify as "Electric scooter guy" or "Cargo shorts and flip flops guy"?
It really grinds my gears that I can never have a normal convo with providers. Can't ask multiple questions because they only see the latest question. Here's an example. I write.
"Hey what is the rate for 30 min and are you available soon? What part of MV is the incall?
I'll get back."Camino del Rio s". Like umm, ok so I have to really repeat the other 2 questions? Why can't a normal person who wants to do business say."Hey yes I'm available and I offer 30 for 100 or 1 hr for 160 and the incall is on cam del Rio s. ".
DrPornDawger
07-18-23, 18:28
It really grinds my gears that I can never have a normal convo with providers. Can't ask multiple questions because they only see the latest question. Here's an example. I write.
"Hey what is the rate for 30 min and are you available soon? What part of MV is the incall?
I'll get back."Camino del Rio s". Like umm, ok so I have to really repeat the other 2 questions? Why can't a normal person who wants to do business say."Hey yes I'm available and I offer 30 for 100 or 1 hr for 160 and the incall is on cam del Rio s. ".I feel your pain as well.
I think they are new to the business or sometimes jaded. Just looking for the common numbers that have already have in their contacts.
I feel your pain as well.
I think they are new to the business or sometimes jaded. Just looking for the common numbers that have already have in their contacts.Never new to the business, usually long timers. Also it bugs me when they are surprised if it's not a number they have saved. I'm using a burner app of course, why the hell would I use a common number or one that leads back to me?!
Jaguar300ZX
07-18-23, 20:30
It really grinds my gears that I can never have a normal convo with providers. Can't ask multiple questions because they only see the latest question. Here's an example. I write.
"Hey what is the rate for 30 min and are you available soon? What part of MV is the incall?
I'll get back."Camino del Rio s". Like umm, ok so I have to really repeat the other 2 questions? Why can't a normal person who wants to do business say."Hey yes I'm available and I offer 30 for 100 or 1 hr for 160 and the incall is on cam del Rio s. ".The simple solution is that you could call them using a Google Voice number, rather than Texting.
That way you can have an interactive 2-way conversation.
You're welcome.
Something does not seem right. Lately all the reviews for 201 have been coming from people with fewer posts. I'm just saying.
It's been a while since I visited 201 or any place for that matter, decided to stop by on my way home. There were few cars in the parking lot so that wasn't an issue. I was taken to the room by a hot good looking woman, was told to get ready. I had no idea that what was to come would blow my mind. Heard the familiar knock and in came Sophia in her little sexy pink dress, she started with a massage that felt really good, had the chills and everything. Next thing I know we are making out and I am feeling her awesome tits and ass, she then slides down and starts BBBJ. I was in heaven now but had to stop her before I got off. I was laying down and and asked her to get on top, she had no issues with this, see her ride me was great. Still kissing we switch to Mish and I starting nice and easy and end up in a fury, I blow my load and she starts to thrust her waist all over the place and she orgasms. She just says Wow Honey, you made me feel so good! She cleans me up and I head out the door, time to get a nap. That was awesome!
Nobody was even talking about you bro. Why get all offended? Look at how many "new mongers" have been posting about 201 and Erma. I'm just asking the admin to be fair here. I've gone to both locations and have not had a good time. The girls aren't that pretty and the service is mediocre at best.
I posted about 201 lately, and not in a positive way. I have 230 posts. Is that not a sufficient amount to earn credibility? I'm not trying to be an A-hole, I'm just asking not to create drama on this board. I think we've all had enough of that over the past year or so. If you think someone is shilling for a MMS or particular spa, either report them to admin or just ignore the report.
RolfTorren
07-22-23, 22:00
You raise a valid point. When reviews are effusive from relatively "green" members I always take what they say with a pinch of salt. Now you'll get the guys who claim they are "long time lurkers" and just posting because they have suddenly been moved to do so by an extraordinary experience. Maybe, but in general I'm skeptical. It would not be hard for management to generate multiple handles and personalities on this board, add a few innocuous generic reports, and then throw out some great tips for all of us to benefit from. The bottom line is that a healthy skepticism will go a long way to keeping your hard earned hobbying dollars where they belong. In your pocket. Until such time as you find someone that deserves them. I know we all have to start somewhere, but in general over time patterns develop and you can, by reading the reports carefully, work out who has an agenda, and who stands to benefit from them. The bottom line is, careful research is very revealing, and extremely beneficial to the hobbyist.
Also, be aware that recommendations are sometimes not what they seem. Either on the board or in-person from mms or pps. Some ladies are working off debts they may owe to management, and hence when pps "recommends" Cici or Kaycee or Lucie he may well stand to benefit from your patronage. Things are not always what they seem.
Nobody was even talking about you bro. Why get all offended? Look at how many "new mongers" have been posting about 201 and Erma. I'm just asking the admin to be fair here. I've gone to both locations and have not had a good time. The girls aren't that pretty and the service is mediocre at best.
Splash 619
07-22-23, 23:25
Nobody was even talking about you bro. Why get all offended? Look at how many "new mongers" have been posting about 201 and Erma. I'm just asking the admin to be fair here. I've gone to both locations and have not had a good time. The girls aren't that pretty and the service is mediocre at best.Hey Lord D.
I'm just curious, how does reviews coming from "new" mongers influence you to suspect that "something does not seem right" at Erma or 201? They all have to start from somewhere right with respect to writing reviews. Is there anything factual or evidential that would invalid the reviews or may lead them as being "most. Are fake" per Mikel1970?
Just wanted to know so I can look out for mis-leading reports.
Thanks.
NoGrowthMan
07-23-23, 08:42
Look most of these girls would be selling Buicks instead of their pussies if they paid attention in class to what was being taught in stead of focusing on the Kardashians. I have the same issue. Q1? Q2? Q3? Oh the answer to Q3 is this. I get this still with my primary homeless escort out of oside, Janelle. (Yes I buried the hatchet. Had too, she is my type. Only one in SD.)
The simple solution is that you could call them using a Google Voice number, rather than Texting.
That way you can have an interactive 2-way conversation.
You're welcome.
RChangDatyKing
07-23-23, 13:13
Sir, you nailed it! That's why I am always leary and take them with a grain of salt when I see reviews for these 3 spas, especially from first time posters or unknown reviewers because I believed these 3 spas are owned by the same person. See the ad below.
https://adultsearch.com/us/california/san-diego/female-escorts/2690966
I'm not able to post a second link but. I believed Flanders, Ronson and Arjons are owned by the same person as well. You can find their combined ad on Adultseach. Take that for what it's worth as well when there are reviews for these 3 spas.
Nobody was even talking about you bro. Why get all offended? Look at how many "new mongers" have been posting about 201 and Erma. I'm just asking the admin to be fair here. I've gone to both locations and have not had a good time. The girls aren't that pretty and the service is mediocre at best.I posted something several months ago about 6 spas I am always suspicious about going to because 3 are own by one owner and the other 3 by another. For awhile and at least once a week we'll see a glowing report for one of these 6 spas and usually from 1st or 2nd time posters.
Don't get me wrong but I have met some hotties at these 6 spas (I go only when a girl is reviewed by known people) but for the most part I have always been disappointed.
The simple solution is that you could call them using a Google Voice number, rather than Texting.
That way you can have an interactive 2-way conversation.
You're welcome.Call? I hear you but No thanks. If you want to do business you can have a text convo.
Trusty Hairlip
07-23-23, 19:16
Call? I hear you but No thanks. If you want to do business you can have a text convo.You text with google voice also. You should be using google voice.
RChangDatyKing
07-24-23, 08:39
Back when I was arguing with a guy who has since been banned, he would always shill for Cris and SDAsiangirls. I think they are closely connected based on how I followed the trend on their posts.
It's gotten a lot quieter but also because their service paled in comparison to a lot of the really popular AMPs out there.Yeah I believed everyone disagreed with the "dude" except for one dbag with his dozen handles. Dude was definitely a shill for Cris and her crew. His reviews for ALL her girls were glowing, every single one. The funniest was when he tried to argue about Cris' pictures in her ad being real, until I found the pictures / name of the model's pictures she was using. He knew Cris since she was working at a massage shop and didn't know the pictures she was using were fake? He was clearly lying to convince people to go see her and her girls. Yes, he raved about SDAG also and mainly for 3 of their girls at that time, Bora, Ash and Cuban Betty. I've seen Bora and Ash and both are good but he tends to embellish and was over the top with his reviews for them. I took thing SDAG is great and definitely the best we have in San Diego.
I don't believe Cris and SDAG are connected in anyway. Cris was an AMP massage girl, did the cheap hotel thing during COVID before starting her own AAMP with average looking Chinese girls. SDAG is mainly Korean with some Cuban and Vietnamese girls from time to time and don't need Cris or her girls. Cris is average at best for her looks and most of the reviews for her on other reviews sites indicate that but dude makes her to be a model in looks. Cris gives a decent massage when I saw her at a local AMP but she doesn't come close to being in the same league as SDAG.
Yes it's definitely quieter but the dude is still around. You can tell in some of his reviews with a certain handle. At least his not giving medical advices anymore which is a dead giveaway. LOL.
Yeah I believed everyone disagreed with the "dude" except for one dbag with his dozen handles. Dude was definitely a shill for Cris and her crew. His reviews for ALL her girls were glowing, every single one. The funniest was when he tried to argue about Cris' pictures in her ad being real, until I found the pictures / name of the model's pictures she was using. He knew Cris since she was working at a massage shop and didn't know the pictures she was using were fake? He was clearly lying to convince people to go see her and her girls. Yes, he raved about SDAG also and mainly for 3 of their girls at that time, Bora, Ash and Cuban Betty. I've seen Bora and Ash and both are good but he tends to embellish and was over the top with his reviews for them. I took thing SDAG is great and definitely the best we have in San Diego.
I don't believe Cris and SDAG are connected in anyway. Cris was an AMP massage girl, did the cheap hotel thing during COVID before starting her own AAMP with average looking Chinese girls. SDAG is mainly Korean with some Cuban and Vietnamese girls from time to time and don't need Cris or her girls. Cris is average at best for her looks and most of the reviews for her on other reviews sites indicate that but dude makes her to be a model in looks. Cris gives a decent massage when I saw her at a local AMP but she doesn't come close to being in the same league as SDAG.
Yes it's definitely quieter but the dude is still around. You can tell in some of his reviews with a certain handle. At least his not giving medical advices anymore which is a dead giveaway. LOL.I recall one blonde AMP provider in particular that also worked with cris at after working with at another existing place off of balboa she had some baby stretch marks but the rest of the body was tight.
I knew dude was a shill for sure when I went there on one of his recs of amazing legs. Where he failed to mention the enormous hemorrhoid / prolapse.
Hey Lord D.
I'm just curious, how does reviews coming from "new" mongers influence you to suspect that "something does not seem right" at Erma or 201? They all have to start from somewhere right with respect to writing reviews. Is there anything factual or evidential that would invalid the reviews or may lead them as being "most. Are fake" per Mikel1970?
Just wanted to know so I can look out for mis-leading reports.
Thanks.On another local site, go to Erma, D, 201. Click on a reviewer. Some / most reviewers ONLY reviews those 3 spas and ALWAYS gives them 5 stars (highest review). I did not say the girls are not hot or provide good service, but those reviewers / reviews ARE suspicious and I pay them no mind.
DrPornDawger
08-08-23, 12:56
I also take the reviews, especially from newbies with a lot of skepticism. If the parlor or even the provider has multiple reviews, I will go check it out for myself and see if I get the same treatment and will validate the place or provider. If I went to a new place, I would try it our a couple of times before I post a review.
I know this has been covered before, do people really post bad reviews? I've seen a couple of them, and I have posted bad reviews before.
You raise a valid point. When reviews are effusive from relatively "green" members I always take what they say with a pinch of salt. Now you'll get the guys who claim they are "long time lurkers" and just posting because they have suddenly been moved to do so by an extraordinary experience. Maybe, but in general I'm skeptical. It would not be hard for management to generate multiple handles and personalities on this board, add a few innocuous generic reports, and then throw out some great tips for all of us to benefit from. The bottom line is that a healthy skepticism will go a long way to keeping your hard earned hobbying dollars where they belong. In your pocket. Until such time as you find someone that deserves them. I know we all have to start somewhere, but in general over time patterns develop and you can, by reading the reports carefully, work out who has an agenda, and who stands to benefit from them. The bottom line is, careful research is very revealing, and extremely beneficial to the hobbyist.
Also, be aware that recommendations are sometimes not what they seem. Either on the board or in-person from mms or pps. Some ladies are working off debts they may owe to management, and hence when pps "recommends" Cici or Kaycee or Lucie he may well stand to benefit from your patronage. Things are not always what they seem.
RChangDatyKing
08-08-23, 14:55
I also take the reviews, especially from newbies with a lot of skepticism. If the parlor or even the provider has multiple reviews, I will go check it out for myself and see if I get the same treatment and will validate the place or provider. If I went to a new place, I would try it our a couple of times before I post a review.
I know this has been covered before, do people really post bad reviews? I've seen a couple of them, and I have posted bad reviews before.Yeah, those first reviews from "Long Time Lurkers" are the ones I don't pay much attention to, especially when they review spas known for bait and switch, having GILFs, and history of providing poor services. These guy also try to convince you that they're legit by telling you all the places they've been to but never posted any reviews. LOL.
I don't think we'll see many bad reviews because I don't think mongers want to deal with all the white knights trying to defend the girls, or the girls texting them every 5 minutes demanding they correct the reviews, etc.
Other than maybe 1 or 2 FS spas none of the independents, FS spas or AMP girls know I'm on review sites. When I did posted bad reviews in the past the girls knew exactly it was from me and reached out to complain.
CityboysUp
08-08-23, 17:56
I know this has been covered before, do people really post bad reviews? I've seen a couple of them, and I have posted bad reviews before.I used to post a mix of good and bad reviews. I wanted to be accurate in my description of looks and services so that other mongers could benefit from it. But in recent times, I've been harassed in private by multiple accounts and I am more wary of having retribution exacted by the booker if they ever find out, so I generally don't post reviews anymore and if I do, it's usually from a date that I did not have the appointment.
I know this has been covered before, do people really post bad reviews? I've seen a couple of them, and I have posted bad reviews before.Not so much bad but even mediocre reviews for popular places will often times bring out shills, white knights, and some very nosy people. So when I do have mediocre reviews, I try not to post them immediately or the losers will try to figure out who you are irl by talking to the providers, etc. If you have a rubmaps subscription, just check out some of the reviews and comments by the common stooges that have mostly been banned here. They mention things like meeting up with other mongers and drinking beers in the lobby of the parlor, going golfing together, etc. While leaving several 5 star reviews a week for the same 1-2 places and defend the spa / provider if anyone leaves a non 5 star review.
Yeah, those first reviews from "Long Time Lurkers" are the ones I don't pay much attention to, especially when they review spas known for bait and switch, having GILFs, and history of providing poor services. These guy also try to convince you that they're legit by telling you all the places they've been to but never posted any reviews. LOL.Yeah also even from senior members. I always ask myself after reading a review. Does this review help me? Or does this review help the spa? If the review helps the spa more than it helps me, I am usually skeptical of the review. Not that they are from a fake person or from the owner, but likely posted as a favor to the spa or provider to either continue getting better service, slight discounts, early info on the girls, etc.
But I'm also just a very pessimistic person LOL.
LoveYouLong
08-08-23, 19:57
On another local site, go to Erma, D, 201. Click on a reviewer. Some / most reviewers ONLY reviews those 3 spas and ALWAYS gives them 5 stars (highest review). I did not say the girls are not hot or provide good service, but those reviewers / reviews ARE suspicious and I pay them no mind.I am a regular at Erma and will take the drive to 201 when mamasan informs me of a new girl, all my reviews have been spot on what I went through. I even got roasted by mamasan for putting a mediocre review before. But I go there because it's relatively close to my home, it's clean, and the girls are usually top notch with some exceptions. Believe me mamasan wants to know if you had a bad time, she is always looking to make things better. She knows it's a win-win, when we are happy she is happy $$. I also try new places all the time when I hear there is new talent or a rock star.
RChangDatyKing
08-08-23, 21:17
Yeah also even from senior members. I always ask myself after reading a review. Does this review help me? Or does this review help the spa? If the review helps the spa more than it helps me, I am usually skeptical of the review. Not that they are from a fake person or from the owner, but likely posted as a favor to the spa or provider to either continue getting better service, slight discounts, early info on the girls, etc.
But I'm also just a very pessimistic person LOL.Yes, I agree with you, also from Senior Members but at least to me they have a track record compare to a first time poster that's writing a hustler style review and it's their first, but they're a long time lurker and the first spa they review is one that's questionable. I use reviews as guides from 1st time posters or someone with hundreds of reviews. Yes, when Sr Members start attacking other mongers when reviews for their favorite ATFs are not as favorable is when I question if the reviews by those Sr Members are for the girls / spas. We all have different tastes / likes. If the reviews from other mongers are different from yours, so what. It's that person's experience.
DrPornDawger
08-10-23, 20:42
I even got roasted by mamasan for putting a mediocre review before. But I go there because it's relatively close to my home, it's clean, and the girls are usually top notch with some exceptions. Believe me mamasan wants to know if you had a bad time, she is always looking to make things better. She knows it's a win-win, when we are happy she is happy $$. I also try new places all the time when I hear there is new talent or a rock star.Just wondering if this is true, do the AMPs see their reviews and know about this site?
FryingPanAss
08-10-23, 21:12
On another local site, go to Erma, D, 201. Click on a reviewer. Some / most reviewers ONLY reviews those 3 spas and ALWAYS gives them 5 stars (highest review). I did not say the girls are not hot or provide good service, but those reviewers / reviews ARE suspicious and I pay them no mind.Totally agree with this. When certain other spa reviews were still allowed on this website, we rarely got reviews of Erma. Since the bans of other spa reviews, Erma is suddenly amazing with sometimes 2-3 x per day reviewers?! I still occasionally visit and the spa girls are not better than before. Those reviews, especially the volume of them and suspicious similarities in style lead me to conclude they are indeed at the very least falsely motivated. At worst, they are from the same person.
Regardless, they are certainly fake. I paid hard earned money to find out.
Just wondering if this is true, do the AMPs see their reviews and know about this site?100 percent yes. A lot of popular spas encourage mongers to write 5 star reviews. I've seen some reviews of girls within a few hours of the spa owners sending their "new girl x, why, z available" mass text messages to their regulars. Which also makes me think that some reviews are posted by mongers before even seeing the providers in person but just do help drive traffic to their favorite spa (s).
I've personally been offered house fee discounts to submit reviews but I just act ignorant / let them know I don't write reviews.
Some comments / reviews on rub maps suggest that some of these mongers take it as far as reading other (mediocre) reviews together with the providers to see if they can figure out who it was that wrote the review which to me is insane and discourages people from sharing honest reviews.
Unfortunately a lot of mongers fall in love with the pussy they are paying for and start acting like teenagers on these sites to defend the spa / providers honor if someone doesn't leave a perfect review.
I got hit with $$. 5 for half and $$ for the hour. The same thing happened with that other MILF from Az she was $$$ for the hour and now she's $$ I wonder if the others ladies are pressuring them to raise prices or the guys are who knows.
There's a lack of milfs that provide in the San Diego area.Does anybody pay attention to how the site edits their posts when you have more than 3 dollar signs? Got to find a better way to share accurate info.
Does anybody pay attention to how the site edits their posts when you have more than 3 dollar signs? Got to find a better way to share accurate info.Just use real numbers IMO.
Does anybody pay attention to how the site edits their posts when you have more than 3 dollar signs? Got to find a better way to share accurate info.Agreed. It's terribly confusing sometimes. Besides, I'm not sure who we think we're fooling with decimal points or dollar signs. Anyone "infiltrating" this site or the many more like it, would have no problem deciphering our "codes".
I'm open to utilizing straight numbers but I'm not sure if there is a site policy against it.
-TJNiko.
CunningLnguist
08-15-23, 13:13
Agreed. It's terribly confusing sometimes. Besides, I'm not sure who we think we're fooling with decimal points or dollar signs. Anyone "infiltrating" this site or the many more like it, would have no problem deciphering our "codes".
I'm open to utilizing straight numbers but I'm not sure if there is a site policy against it..Dude I'm with you on that. I think it's stupid too but not sure if there's a policy and I just do it because everyone else is doing it. Also it's not just the dollar signs I noticed. Sometimes my posts will get reworded and won't make any sense. I'm a grammar guy and I'll reread my posts to make sure it sounds good. But after it posts I'll read it again and some parts are rewritten with bad grammar.
TugSpinosa
08-15-23, 13:44
I got hit with $$. 5 for half and $$ for the hour. The same thing happened with that other MILF from Az she was $$$ for the hour and now she's $$ I wonder if the others ladies are pressuring them to raise prices or the guys are who knows.
There's a lack of milfs that provide in the San Diego area.Update LOL didn't notice.
Hh 25 O and hour for 4 OO.
Other MILF went from 3 oo to 5 oo.
Sir Bishop
08-15-23, 14:42
Agreed. It's terribly confusing sometimes. Besides, I'm not sure who we think we're fooling with decimal points or dollar signs. Anyone "infiltrating" this site or the many more like it, would have no problem deciphering our "codes".
I'm open to utilizing straight numbers but I'm not sure if there is a site policy against it.
-TJNiko.Use straight numbers without the dollar sign. If it's against one of the TOS rules, Admin is here to set us straight.
Dude I'm with you on that. I think it's stupid too but not sure if there's a policy and I just do it because everyone else is doing it. Also it's not just the dollar signs I noticed. Sometimes my posts will get reworded and won't make any sense. I'm a grammar guy and I'll reread my posts to make sure it sounds good. But after it posts I'll read it again and some parts are rewritten with bad grammar.Not just numbers but the site auto capitalizing LOL always annoys me lmao.
SheriffBart
08-16-23, 10:48
150 roses. 200 roses etc. Seems to be a fairly standard way to express cost.
Good day gentlemen. Many of you who have read my reviews of late will know that I have stayed close to home and focused my visits to a single AMP. This AMP has been good to me most recently in that they have provided an array of new talent to try and some of them have become favorites of mine. Recently, a number of respected forum members have reported very different experiences to mine, not so much in the type or quality of services they received, but specifically with management taking advantage of them and performing the universally hated Bait and Switch. As a fellow monger, I completely understand the terrible taste that a BandS leaves in the mouth. I hate a BandS as much as everyone here. I feel a bit of responsibility in the terrible customer service that my fellow mongers experienced because I repeatedly extolled the quality and service that I received. In doing so, some of these affected mongers may have been influenced to try this AMP. Because of that, I've made two decisions that I will share.
1. I will continue to frequent the AMP that has treated me well, but seemingly not given the same treatment to other. I will, however, no longer post those experiences. If others would like to inquire on my continued experiences there, they may do so via PM. I will only cease to frequent that establishment until either their quality and selection drops or I am wronged similarly to the fellow mongers who reported BandS.
2. I will take a break from reporting my AMP experiences, in general, regardless of the establishment. This is because I do not want to give others hope that they will receive identical treatment to mine. I do not want to be responsible for others not having a good experience or feeling like they wasted their money.
Lastly, an unrelated note. I have recently received multiple emails indicated that many forum members attempted to send me PMs and that my inbox was full. I have recently cleared out many old PMs now for those of you who were trying to reach me.
I wish you all the best and much luck.
-TJNiko.
1. I will continue to frequent the AMP that has treated me well, but seemingly not given the same treatment to other. I will, however, no longer post those experiences. If others would like to inquire on my continued experiences there, they may do so via PM. I will only cease to frequent that establishment until either their quality and selection drops or I am wronged similarly to the fellow mongers who reported BandS.This is the reason why I don't pay too much attention to AMP reviews that give tooooo much detail (99% of the reviews on the "top" popular places on rubmaps are like this). I don't think your reviews fell into the same exact categories of reviews that I just assume are greatly exaggerated or even completely fake, but there are some members (some have been banned as shills) that post erotic novels instead of a reviews. As you mentioned, most of these reviews set up false expectations for 99% of the mongers that are not regulars of a parlor. IMO a review is sufficient with physical looks, services received, money spent, and maybe a few lines on personal experience. But when people start posting about a "minute-by-minute, play-by-play" reviews with a provider that you have chemistry with, most people will not receive that type of service.
Erma is approaching (or passed tbh) the point of useful reviews on this site for these reasons for me LOL.
This is the reason why I don't pay too much attention to AMP reviews that give tooooo much detail (99% of the reviews on the "top" popular places on rubmaps are like this). I don't think your reviews fell into the same exact categories of reviews that I just assume are greatly exaggerated or even completely fake, but there are some members (some have been banned as shills) that post erotic novels instead of a reviews. As you mentioned, most of these reviews set up false expectations for 99% of the mongers that are not regulars of a parlor. IMO a review is sufficient with physical looks, services received, money spent, and maybe a few lines on personal experience. But when people start posting about a "minute-by-minute, play-by-play" reviews with a provider that you have chemistry with, most people will not receive that type of service.
Erma is approaching (or passed tbh) the point of useful reviews on this site for these reasons for me LOL.Appreciate the feedback, Reds. It was never my intention to submit reviews such as you mentioned. I was just excited to share my finds and experience. Had the other mongers gotten the right girls, I'm confident they would have similar experiences to mine.
-TJNiko.
PoonTangJohnny
08-21-23, 21:08
Good day gentlemen. Many of you who have read my reviews of late will know that I have stayed close to home and focused my visits to a single AMP. This AMP has been good to me most recently in that they have provided an array of new talent to try and some of them have become favorites of mine. Recently, a number of respected forum members have reported very different experiences to mine, not so much in the type or quality of services they received, but specifically with management taking advantage of them and performing the universally hated Bait and Switch. As a fellow monger, I completely understand the terrible taste that a BandS leaves in the mouth. I hate a BandS as much as everyone here. I feel a bit of responsibility in the terrible customer service that my fellow mongers experienced because I repeatedly extolled the quality and service that I received. In doing so, some of these affected mongers may have been influenced to try this AMP. Because of that, I've made two decisions that I will share.Hey TJN! I was 1 of the guys here who tried reaching out PM-ing you. First & foremost- Everyone here knows your character, that you're truly 1 of the really solid trusted good guys here. I'm certain that a lot of other places / MMS use this same B&S tactics as a means to lot let potential $$ walk out the door. FWIW: I sent a strongly worded text message to the A-Z number letting the owner / MMS / whomever know in no uncertain terms, that if you ever want / expect me to make the long drive down to your business, then I want recent accurate pics of both Baby, & lily. They didn't bother responding to my text. So as far as I'm concerned, they can F- off and I'll continue taking my business elsewhere. If I miss out on a rocking hottie, that so be it.
Bottom line: We're all big boys here and we can all make our own decisions. Personally, it really doesn't matter to me (they hype / reviews posted for certain girls) l, because when I show up at an AMP and I don't like what I see, or I'm not feeling it, then I'm bailing, regardless. Yeah, B&S sucks and it's an unacceptable tactic in which I have zero tolerance for. B&S aside, it's always a calculated risk with these girls, whether you find 1 you can click with on a hot porn star level with with true GFE Passion.
Appreciate the feedback, Reds. It was never my intention to submit reviews such as you mentioned. I was just excited to share my finds and experience. Had the other mongers gotten the right girls, I'm confident they would have similar experiences to mine.
-TJNiko.I disagree, TJN, and I for 1 hope you keep sharing!
I've had some very enlightening conversations with a few of the really hot AMP ladies here in SD County over the past 3 years. & It's no surprise to me, why, some of these ladies don't click with some of the bland, grotesquely out of shape, unhygienic guys here (sorry but it's the harsh truth). I personally really enjoy sharing and writing long romance novels, after fucking some of these hot sexy ladies I've connected with- Mina, Cici, Sophia, Cici (Erma) Lily, just to name a few. If some of the guys here think I'm exaggerating with the reviews I write. And are unable to make the same type connection, there isn't much I can do about that, that's on you. And I don't really give 2 F's. The sad reality is, that some of guys, no lady is ever going to connect with, or feel any deep true GFE passion for.
I actually enjoy this hobby feel good about sharing / receiving Intel, and the bonus are the guys who posted reviews here or sent me PM's thanking me with the deepest gratitude for either helping them or sharing my expereinced / reports. The guys here who've read my review novels, and then been able to connect with say Sophia. Mina and Cici on the same level, and then can truly relate that these ladies / experiences are as hot as I say they are.
It's no wonder to me, why the person you quoted, struggles with some of these ladies in the PSE / GFE department and is a pessimistic doubter (I mean I agree with some the RM shills and some of the shills here). The reality is, that there are some of us guys who have just been truly blessed / lucky and have been able to genuinely GFE connect with some of these hot sexy special ladies. And when we do- We want to shout it from the mountain tops for all to hear! LOL.
It's no wonder to me, why the person you quoted, struggles with some of these ladies in the PSE / GFE department and is a pessimistic doubter (I mean I agree with some the RM shills and some of the shills here). The reality is, that there are some of us guys who have just been truly blessed / lucky and have been able to genuinely GFE connect with some of these hot sexy special ladies. And when we do- We want to shout it from the mountain tops for all to hear! LOL.Instead of pessimistic doubter, I prefer "realistic" Mina is definitely my top 2 of all time in San Diego and I saw her maybe a dozen times while she was active at spring valley with plenty of great "GFE" times.
I just treat the hobby as a business transaction moreso than a lifestyle. You will never see me bring bottles of champagne, lingerie, chocolate from my recent vacation spot, etc. To a spa / provider. I'm perfectly happy with the physical connection and don't need or even want the additional baggage that comes with being actual friends with the providers. You will never see my hanging out in a lobby of a spa just because I have free time.
If you do, more power to you and I actually appreciate the fact that you mentioned not going back to AtoZ because of the lack of communication, etc. Unlike some of the mongers / reviewers get too personal with the spa / providers and then start defending them as if it's their personal business.
I guess that's the main difference in personalities though. When I have PSE / GFE providers, the last thing I want to do is shout it from the mountain tops for all to hear because I know that 99% of the other people will not get the same experience.
It's just seems lately I don't know if I'm reading a chapter from fifty shades of gray or a review of a prostitute LOL.
Hey TJN! I was 1 of the guys here who tried reaching out PM-ing you. First & foremost- Everyone here knows your character, that you're truly 1 of the really solid trusted good guys here. I'm certain that a lot of other places / MMS use this same B&S tactics as a means to lot let potential $$ walk out the door. FWIW: I sent a strongly worded text message to the A-Z number letting the owner / MMS / whomever know in no uncertain terms, that if you ever want / expect me to make the long drive down to your business, then I want recent accurate pics of both Baby, & lily. They didn't bother responding to my text. So as far as I'm concerned, they can F- off and I'll continue taking my business elsewhere. If I miss out on a rocking hottie, that so be it.
Bottom line: We're all big boys here and we can all make our own decisions. Personally, it really doesn't matter to me (they hype / reviews posted for certain girls) l, because when I show up at an AMP and I don't like what I see, or I'm not feeling it, then I'm bailing, regardless. Yeah, B&S sucks and it's an unacceptable tactic in which I have zero tolerance for. B&S aside, it's always a calculated risk with these girls, whether you find 1 you can click with on a hot porn star level with with true GFE Passion.
I disagree, TJN, and I for 1 hope you keep sharing!
I've had some very enlightening conversations with a few of the really hot AMP ladies here in SD County over the past 3 years. & It's no surprise to me, why, some of these ladies don't click with some of the bland, grotesquely out of shape, unhygienic guys here (sorry but it's the harsh truth). I personally really enjoy sharing and writing long romance novels, after fucking some of these hot sexy ladies I've connected with- Mina, Cici, Sophia, Cici (Erma) Lily, just to name a few. If some of the guys here think I'm exaggerating with the reviews I write. And are unable to make the same type connection, there isn't much I can do about that, that's on you. And I don't really give 2 F's. The sad reality is, that some of guys, no lady is ever going to connect with, or feel any deep true GFE passion for.
I actually enjoy this hobby feel good about sharing / receiving Intel, and the bonus are the guys who posted reviews here or sent me PM's thanking me with the deepest gratitude for either helping them or sharing my expereinced / reports. The guys here who've read my review novels, and then been able to connect with say Sophia. Mina and Cici on the same level, and then can truly relate that these ladies / experiences are as hot as I say they are.
It's no wonder to me, why the person you quoted, struggles with some of these ladies in the PSE / GFE department and is a pessimistic doubter (I mean I agree with some the RM shills and some of the shills here). The reality is, that there are some of us guys who have just been truly blessed / lucky and have been able to genuinely GFE connect with some of these hot sexy special ladies. And when we do- We want to shout it from the mountain tops for all to hear! LOL.Hey PTJ! I just want to thank you, brother. You know I always appreciate your reviews and PMs sharing information on some of the magnificent finds you've made and, unselfishly, shared. I can already hear some of our fellow mongers ticking away at their keyboards about how we're stroking and sucking each other off, but nothing is further from the truth. There is no shame in saying, "I appreciate you" to someone who has impacted this hobby so positively for me. Speaking of which, I don't try to ever knock anybody here, even when the shills ran rampant, I knew there was at least some value for me in what they were saying. I never had a bad experience when I visited one of the locations they shared. I tried to stay away from the personal attacks and steered clear as much as I could from the drama. I don't come here to $hit talk or berate and demean my fellow mongers. I try to make the best of the forum and my fellow mongers. I don't need drama. That's the reason why I decided, earlier, to take a break. I just don't want to put myself in a situation to have to defend my reviews, be they romance novels or not, defend my taste, or defend my decision making. Like you said, we're all big boys and capable of making decisions. So, maybe I folded too quickly because some gentlemen posted reviews, after mine, to give a different account of their experiences but I will never deny my experiences are accurate, true, and not exaggerated. Perhaps I have a more eloquent writing style that seems to give off a romance novel vibe but I won't apologize for that either. Again, nothing I said was an exaggeration.
I genuinely do appreciate the feedback from Reds, but I must say I do not agree that a review should only consist of "physical looks, services received, money spent, and maybe a few lines on personal experience". With the exception of money spent, all those criteria are just as subjective as my romance novels are to someone else. For example, what good is someone's rating of physical looks to me when your 10 could be my 7, or vice versa. The same goes services received and personal experience. It's not like we're just listing the service we received, 99% of reviews discuss not just the service but it's quality. That is a other example of subjective opinion creeping into the review as your "phenomenal blowjob" could be a "meh blowjob" to me.
Everyone should be free to post the review, the criteria, the writing style that they choose. I don't make this argument in defense of myself or my posts. I make this argument to support the variety of communication that we choose to believe or not. You all get to choose how you write reviews. You all get to choose what reviews you believe. You all get to choose when you walk into an AAMP, and when you walk out. That's what I like about the forum. It's a gathering place for like minded gentlemen. It's a place to share experiences and ideas. It's a place to learn about aspects of the game you may not have explored.
Lastly from one romance novel author to another, thanks again PTJ. I appreciate you. You'll see my reviews again, just don't know when quite yet.
Good luck to you all.
-TJNiko.
Sir Bishop
08-26-23, 16:04
I'm a long time monger in San Diego having started when in my first year at State and spent hours oogling girls at The Body Shop and visiting massage parlors. That was the early '70's. I found this article on San Diego Reader and found a nice affinity to the article. It's centered on the Body Shop and escorts of the days. It's a true nostalgia piece and I'm sure the older mongers on this board will find it accurate. For the younger guys, back in the '90's we didn't have the Internet and easy ways to hook up. I spent many hours in the Body Shop talking with men of all ranks of life in between dances. We were all there for that fantasy. The girls were there for our eyes. It wasn't until the booths were installed that we had actual on-site hidden entertainment. Enjoy the read. Let's hear what you mongers remember and WHO you remember. I'll start. She's a 5'4" blonde, DDs, and I dated her 45+ times after hooking up in the shop.
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1998/aug/06/cover-the-world-you-have-and-the-world-you-want/
RChangDatyKing
08-28-23, 23:25
I'm a long time monger in San Diego having started when in my first year at State and spent hours oogling girls at The Body Shop and visiting massage parlors. That was the early '70's. I found this article on San Diego Reader and found a nice affinity to the article. It's centered on the Body Shop and escorts of the days. It's a true nostalgia piece and I'm sure the older mongers on this board will find it accurate. For the younger guys, back in the '90's we didn't have the Internet and easy ways to hook up. I spent many hours in the Body Shop talking with men of all ranks of life in between dances. We were all there for that fantasy. The girls were there for our eyes. It wasn't until the booths were installed that we had actual on-site hidden entertainment. Enjoy the read. Let's hear what you mongers remember and WHO you remember. I'll start. She's a 5'4" blonde, DDs, and I dated her 45+ times after hooking up in the shop.
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1998/aug/06/cover-the-world-you-have-and-the-world-you-want/I love the Body Shop. I think I still have that red lifetime membership card stashed away somewhere. LOL. I started going there in the early 90's before AMPs. I had lots of fun in the private booths. Two of my favorites come to mind at the Body Shop; Eva Bliss and Mia Rose or Rose. Rose was a hot Filipina with tattoos between her breasts that makes a butterfly. Both became top rated escorts in San Diego. Eva was known on SDASP was a moderator on there I believe. Rose advertised on various platforms.
NudeBeachPerv
08-29-23, 17:11
Especially the GH.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Thads/comments/164myp4/gloryhole/
Especially the GH.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Thads/comments/164myp4/gloryhole/Pretty much what I'd expect from any GH. If m-M or M -TS isn't your thing, better bring a date. LOL.
Sometime in the late 80's I hung out there a lot. Sadly before the private booths. Used to party with Karen and a few of the other girls.
I'm a long time monger in San Diego having started when in my first year at State and spent hours oogling girls at The Body Shop and visiting massage parlors. That was the early '70's. I found this article on San Diego Reader and found a nice affinity to the article. It's centered on the Body Shop and escorts of the days. It's a true nostalgia piece and I'm sure the older mongers on this board will find it accurate. For the younger guys, back in the '90's we didn't have the Internet and easy ways to hook up. I spent many hours in the Body Shop talking with men of all ranks of life in between dances. We were all there for that fantasy. The girls were there for our eyes. It wasn't until the booths were installed that we had actual on-site hidden entertainment. Enjoy the read. Let's hear what you mongers remember and WHO you remember. I'll start. She's a 5'4" blonde, DDs, and I dated her 45+ times after hooking up in the shop.
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1998/aug/06/cover-the-world-you-have-and-the-world-you-want/
Hi all, I have been seeing providers in SD for 6 months now. And recently I had a outcall with one of the local providers here. Now that she knows my address she is blackmailing me that she would show up on my foorstep and expose chats etc. I don't to disclose anything to my family. Is there any way out of this. I am unable to to think and any help is appreciated.
MaximusKahn
09-01-23, 09:07
Especially if you can't see what you're buying!
Especially the GH.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Thads/comments/164myp4/gloryhole/
Hi all, I have been seeing providers in SD for 6 months now. And recently I had a outcall with one of the local providers here. Now that she knows my address she is blackmailing me that she would show up on my foorstep and expose chats etc. I don't to disclose anything to my family. Is there any way out of this. I am unable to to think and any help is appreciated.That sucks. I recently found a provider out here in El Centro but managed to convince my little head to not eat where I poop, this is a small community and who knows what kind of psycho she might be afterwards so I've so far stayed away, do all my playing when I'm working in San Diego or SF.
I think if I was in your situation I'd tell her to go to hell and then block her, and hope she doesn't carry out her threat. Perhaps if she knows she can't intimidate you she will move on.
Hi all, I have been seeing providers in SD for 6 months now. And recently I had a outcall with one of the local providers here. Now that she knows my address she is blackmailing me that she would show up on my foorstep and expose chats etc. I don't to disclose anything to my family. Is there any way out of this. I am unable to to think and any help is appreciated.Who. Is it? Expose her on this site. Maybe some are willing to flood her phone with messages to help drive her away.
SanDiegoNbr1
09-01-23, 11:34
Who. Is it? Expose her on this site. Maybe some are willing to flood her phone with messages to help drive her away.Let us all know who she is so we know not to contact her. Also maybe some of us who arent married or in relationships will put her on blast and maybe make her feel uncomfortable. Some of them have no street code. Or don't seem to be worried about what a real one would do to them for causing problems in their life.
That sucks. I recently found a provider out here in El Centro but managed to convince my little head to not eat where I poop, this is a small community and who knows what kind of psycho she might be afterwards so I've so far stayed away, do all my playing when I'm working in San Diego or SF.
I think if I was in your situation I'd tell her to go to hell and then block her, and hope she doesn't carry out her threat. Perhaps if she knows she can't intimidate you she will move on.Yea. I gotto be more cautious with this. Learnt it the hard way, now I regret indulging with this.
I have blocked her for now. I am thinking of meeting her in person and arranging for a buy out. Provided she would delete the chats etc.
Who. Is it? Expose her on this site. Maybe some are willing to flood her phone with messages to help drive her away.Not sure if that is going to help the situation. Since she knows where I live, if I try to piss her off. She might as well just fuck me over without caring for monetary gains.
Who. Is it? Expose her on this site. Maybe some are willing to flood her phone with messages to help drive her away.Ill expose once her I have a clarity and things look resolved. Thinking of hiring a private consultant to handle this situation.
RChangDatyKing
09-01-23, 14:25
Hi all, I have been seeing providers in SD for 6 months now. And recently I had a outcall with one of the local providers here. Now that she knows my address she is blackmailing me that she would show up on my foorstep and expose chats etc. I don't to disclose anything to my family. Is there any way out of this. I am unable to to think and any help is appreciated.That sucks bro! I wouldn't know what to do either if that was me.
Maybe ignore her messages? Get a surveillance video recording? Respond back and tell her you'll post reviews about her and will let people know who she is / post her pictures / videos from your recording? The thing is will any of these piss her off more and make her react? What if it's her pimp that's doing the blackmailing?
I know I will never pay her for the blackmailing because I think she'll do it for more if you pay.
I don't know bro! Hopefully she'll stop!
Sir Bishop
09-02-23, 00:19
Hi all, I have been seeing providers in SD for 6 months now. And recently I had a outcall with one of the local providers here. Now that she knows my address she is blackmailing me that she would show up on my foorstep and expose chats etc. I don't to disclose anything to my family. Is there any way out of this. I am unable to to think and any help is appreciated.Mutual Destruction Is A *****.
HonkyDonk, first off we need to know everything about her that you know. Name, cell number, etc. Keep your chats dude especially if you discussed price and service. Keep any and all pics of her you have. Here is where you now start to find out as much about her as possible e. G. Social media, real names, real addresses, parents or siblings names, work locations, is she a felon on parole, etc. Why are you doing this? Threat of Mutual Destruction. If you know as much about her as she does you plus she doesn't want her family or PO to know, you've stopped any action she'll take against you. Unless she is a raving fuc $ing tweeker or you are really dealing with the pimp boy friend. Dude, post as much about her here as possible or start with the URL of her post. We can at least start to shut her down so other mongers don't get hurt.
That sucks bro! I wouldn't know what to do either if that was me.
Maybe ignore her messages? Get a surveillance video recording? Respond back and tell her you'll post reviews about her and will let people know who she is / post her pictures / videos from your recording? The thing is will any of these piss her off more and make her react? What if it's her pimp that's doing the blackmailing?
I know I will never pay her for the blackmailing because I think she'll do it for more if you pay.
I don't know bro! Hopefully she'll stop!Yes hoping she will stop. For now I just feel she is playing with me. But I know her fb profile and the ad. Roughly where she lives. She got a family (kids and wife.) The strategy for now is to buy time until I move out this month. And then ill expose her here. So none of you guys have to go through this trauma. I don't intend to piss her off anyway. But will post her reveal her shortly so everyone stays away.
SanDiegoNbr1
09-02-23, 08:59
Yea. I gotto be more cautious with this. Learnt it the hard way, now I regret indulging with this.
I have blocked her for now. I am thinking of meeting her in person and arranging for a buy out. Provided she would delete the chats etc.Deleting chats don't mean shit if she already saved as screen shots. Also you pay her shell know yoir a vic and continue to ask for more. Once you pay its a wrap. Your better off telling her to fuck off. I wouldve put her on blast so others know.
Trusty Hairlip
09-02-23, 13:14
Yes hoping she will stop. For now I just feel she is playing with me. But I know her fb profile and the ad. Roughly where she lives. She got a family (kids and wife.) The strategy for now is to buy time until I move out this month. And then ill expose her here. So none of you guys have to go through this trauma. I don't intend to piss her off anyway. But will post her reveal her shortly so everyone stays away.Ignore her. Does she have your Facebook or any other social media? If so, look out.
For the future, Use google voice attached to a nonsense google email. Don't use the same name everywhere, I use different handles on every site (randomly generated to a certain degree). Never give out your real number, or any social media. Only your google voice number. Don't do stupid things like using Venmo or PayPal or cashapp or whatever. Never meet at your house, or anywhere close to where you live. I would really not outcall with a provider I didn't know well. Also, join hx so you can see some ratings of providers and not get into a stupid situation like this.
Ignore her. Does she have your Facebook or any other social media? If so, look out.
For the future, Use google voice attached to a nonsense google email. Don't use the same name everywhere, I use different handles on every site (randomly generated to a certain degree). Never give out your real number, or any social media. Only your google voice number. Don't do stupid things like using Venmo or PayPal or cashapp or whatever. Never meet at your house, or anywhere close to where you live. I would really not outcall with a provider I didn't know well. Also, join hx so you can see some ratings of providers and not get into a stupid situation like this.Yes, I read all the suggestions from you all and right now I agree just ignoring her is enough since she doesn't have any social media info on me. But I do know alot about her from social media. So feel better now. I wasnt thinking straight earlier as the panic got under my skin.
She goes by the name of clarity. Lives in mira mesa, behind cvs.
Local provider, Natasha Markov / Natasha Love, and various other names, has been accused of Murder for hire. I actually had a session with her 6 years ago. Performance was 8. 5 and looks 8. 5.
https://www.models-world.com/california/tasha-markov/
https://youtu.be/hFj4TxKsxb8?si=lSfZUlDCE_TrRnvK
Cobra Comander
09-04-23, 14:35
Yes, I read all the suggestions from you all and right now I agree just ignoring her is enough since she doesn't have any social media info on me. But I do know alot about her from social media. So feel better now. I wasnt thinking straight earlier as the panic got under my skin.
She goes by the name of clarity. Lives in mira mesa, behind cvs.Will you please post a link to her ad or the phone number so WE know who to avoid? Please? This forum is supposed to be a two way street. I sympathize and understand your predicament but it's in everyone's best interest to know who this person is so we can avoid her.
CC.
AnalCreamDream
09-04-23, 18:40
Local provider, Natasha Markov / Natasha Love, and various other names, has been accused of Murder for hire. I actually had a session with her 6 years ago. Performance was 8. 5 and looks 8. 5.
https://www.models-world.com/california/tasha-markov/
https://youtu.be/hFj4TxKsxb8?si=lSfZUlDCE_TrRnvKThey said "realistic monthly expenses of $12 k" but she was used to a $50 k / month lifestyle. WTF?! $600,000 a year lifestyle to do what? Fuck?
What did your date with her go for?
Right? Just goes to show that money can't buy happiness. But, dang, with 50 k per month, I think that I could find happiness! If not, I would go broke trying!
It was 800 for 90 min, but I ended up being there for 2 hrs and 15 min. She originally wanted more, but I told her that she wouldn't fit my budget. Got a text from her a week later with the 800 offer.
Before I first contacted her, I Googled her phone number and it gave me her address in Rancho Santa Fe, her real name, etc. I searched her name and read all kinds of different articles about her horse show failure, marital spats, and other business failures.
Seeing that she was into horses, I contacted an Equestrian friend of mine and asked him if he knew anything about her. He said that she was a pretty down to earth and laid back person.
But, this was all 6 years ago. Back then, she looked just like her modeling pictures. In the past 6 years her health has really deteriorated. When she posted ads a couple months ago I was really surprised, as I had heard that she had been in a wheelchair, with some type of neurological problems.
The only thing that was bad about the session was that her kids were making noise next door. We were in the adjoining guest house. I asked her about it and she claimed that she was renting the guest house and that the kids belonged to the owner. Of course I knew that was all a lie. When I left, I even told her that she should get a different phone number, Because people could easily look up her information with her real phone number.
They said "realistic monthly expenses of $12 k" but she was used to a $50 k / month lifestyle. WTF?! $600,000 a year lifestyle to do what? Fuck?
What did your date with her go for?
HardRock365
09-06-23, 14:26
Yes, I read all the suggestions from you all and right now I agree just ignoring her is enough since she doesn't have any social media info on me. But I do know alot about her from social media. So feel better now. I wasnt thinking straight earlier as the panic got under my skin.
She goes by the name of clarity. Lives in mira mesa, behind cvs.https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/california/sandiego/152754545
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/california/sandiego/152754545Yes that's her. Stay away from her.
Sorry was traveling so could post in detail. But this is her. Try to stay away. She presents herself very welcoming but she is a pain. And I think she is bipolar.
So far she has not showed up on my door, but I did get msgs until Tuesday from her even tho I wasn't replying and had blocked her already. She even msged / called from new numbers so still dealing with the situation. If anyone gets threatened by her, reach out to me. I have a lot of info gathered so far to threaten her.
Yes that's her. Stay away from her.
Sorry was traveling so could post in detail. But this is her. Try to stay away. She presents herself very welcoming but she is a pain. And I think she is bipolar.
So far she has not showed up on my door, but I did get msgs until Tuesday from her even tho I wasn't replying and had blocked her already. She even msged / called from new numbers so still dealing with the situation. If anyone gets threatened by her, reach out to me. I have a lot of info gathered so far to threaten her.Jesus man, that sucks. I would never ever have a provider to my place for any number of many reasons, even if I was single.
Jesus man, that sucks. I would never ever have a provider to my place for any number of many reasons, even if I was single.Yes that sucks for sure. Every time there is a knock on that door I shit in my pants. Its funny how I dig my own grave. Lucky for me, I made a payment via cashapp. I got to know her name from her handle and could track down ahead. Now I know a lot more about her. Frankly I was panicking before, now it is pretty much well. A lot of guys here said before she is just threatening and playing games, she is never going to show up. And if she does, we will see.
Thanks everyone for offering help and support.
Yes that sucks for sure. Every time there is a knock on that door I shit in my pants. Its funny how I dig my own grave. Lucky for me, I made a payment via cashapp. I got to know her name from her handle and could track down ahead. Now I know a lot more about her. Frankly I was panicking before, now it is pretty much well. A lot of guys here said before she is just threatening and playing games, she is never going to show up. And if she does, we will see.
Thanks everyone for offering help and support.I highly doubt she will ever show up, it's just empty threats and extortion. You can't be the only one she does this to so she is prob playing the numbers game fishing for a sucker.
NudeBeachPerv
09-13-23, 14:31
https://www.reddit.com/r/Thads/comments/16h0ifd/2825_mf_couple_story_a_warning_about_leaving_your/
I think this guy is what is known as a "cuck" and this was his fantasy. Kind of weird and silly.
MaximusKahn
09-19-23, 08:52
https://www.reddit.com/r/Thads/comments/16h0ifd/2825_mf_couple_story_a_warning_about_leaving_your/
I think this guy is what is known as a "cuck" and this was his fantasy. Kind of weird and silly.And that reads like a cuck fantasy. But to each their own.
As for the reality of Thads. Most of the experiences I've seen are couples playing together. Getting to take a woman off from her man to have your private way with her, while he waits by the fire, isn't too common. It's usually shared fun in a mfm or mmf situation in one of the private rooms. Guys beware, some men who share do so to get some gay action, so if that ain't your thing, do as I do. Politely say no thanks and exit.
A guy might find a single female to play with, or a woman who comes with a "friend" but seldom do couples split up completely.
And the chances of sex bare with cum in pussy privileges are even more rare.
Just to note, as of late I've seen more of the regulars forming cliques, more TS, and even some open gay action which seems to be the new crowd that is attracted to Thads. I would be careful using the Glory Hole unless you personally saw who went in and she was alone.
It is a highly competitive environment with young well hung studs all over the place who have experience charming the women. If you don't show up with confidence, charm, and a friendly attitude your chances of real fun goes down.
If you go, good luck, and happy hunting.
I went to Erma the other day to see Cathy and I kid you not about 3 other mongers came in asking for her the first 15 minutes I was with her. I was still able to get the job done because she is just that good, but damn, that place is getting out hand. Good for business I suppose. It's pretty insane the traffic that these forums and rubmaps brings to spas. Any positive mention of a new spa / provider seems to bring a lot of traffic for at least a couple weeks. I noticed this even with non popular places like F spa on el cajon Blvd. I saw a provider relatively easily a couple times and once someone mentioned her on rubmaps it was impossible to see her without an appointment for several weeks until she was gone.
Call me old school but I've been on the forum long enough to remember people complaining about all the shilling and fake reviews going on RM and that's why they left. Now lately I've been seeing a lot of this "Crosspost from RM" stuff going on and my spidey senses are going off that these might be shill accounts trying to infiltrate our (relatively) peaceful and non-biased forum. I'm not saying they are shills but all of them seem to be these glaringly over the top reviews that are never negative. Maybe I'm going crazy?Which is why I've gotten into (what I think are peaceful) back and forths with members on these forums about my pessimism for romance novel type reviews.
Every time I read a review, I ask myself. Is this person giving details that help out users here? Or is this person helping out the spa's business?
the spa owners are aware that I do reviews and the service usually reflects that.I think this is one of the main problems. Not to sound like a monger hipster LOL but when these forums were less popular and relatively unknown to parlors, reviews also never were over the top like they are these days.
It's almost like a chicken and egg problem. Are parlors giving better service to people that identify themselves as reviewers? Or are people leaving overly positive reviews and letting parlors know to receive better service in the future?
I have had providers ask me to leave reviews after sessions as if they just assume everyone is on here / rubmaps and I usually act like I don't know what they are talking about because I want to stay anonymous not just to parlors.
Knowing that the spas read these forums, if spas know that you are a reviewer, I imagine it would be difficult to leave negative reviews for a spa to potentially get blacklisted by sister spas, etc.
I've also seen obsessive members here (that have been banned, ty admin2) try to identify mongers that leave negative reviews to their favorite spas and admitting to talk to the provider to try and identify people which is some 40 year old virgin behavior.
DMichaels69
09-28-23, 08:29
Well for me in Chicago I got my ass chewed once for leaving a negative review, LOL. I told her it was not me but she did not believe me. I really didn't care that much. Another time a lady I knew for 10 years came into the room and showed me a review that I posted. I told her it was not me and she believed me.
I'm unclear why they are putting cross post from RM. I paid for a year there 10 years ago and I did not renew. No moderation, Trolls on the threads and every thread turned into I get more than this guy, she makes me dinner, she invites me to her place and all that immature nonsense.
It's pretty insane the traffic that these forums and rubmaps brings to spas. Any positive mention of a new spa / provider seems to bring a lot of traffic for at least a couple weeks. I noticed this even with non popular places like F spa on el cajon Blvd. I saw a provider relatively easily a couple times and once someone mentioned her on rubmaps it was impossible to see her without an appointment for several weeks until she was gone.
Which is why I've gotten into (what I think are peaceful) back and forths with members on these forums about my pessimism for romance novel type reviews.
Every time I read a review, I ask myself. Is this person giving details that help out users here? Or is this person helping out the spa's business?
I think this is one of the main problems. Not to sound like a monger hipster LOL but when these forums were less popular and relatively unknown to parlors, reviews also never were over the top like they are these days.
It's almost like a chicken and egg problem. Are parlors giving better service to people that identify themselves as reviewers? Or are people leaving overly positive reviews and letting parlors know to receive better service in the future?
I have had providers ask me to leave reviews after sessions as if they just assume everyone is on here / rubmaps and I usually act like I don't know what they are talking about because I want to stay anonymous not just to parlors.
Knowing that the spas read these forums, if spas know that you are a reviewer, I imagine it would be difficult to leave negative reviews for a spa to potentially get blacklisted by sister spas, etc.
I've also seen obsessive members here (that have been banned, ty admin2) try to identify mongers that leave negative reviews to their favorite spas and admitting to talk to the provider to try and identify people which is some 40 year old virgin behavior.
I'm unclear why they are putting cross post from RM. I paid for a year there 10 years ago and I did not renew. No moderation, Trolls on the threads and every thread turned into I get more than this guy, she makes me dinner, she invites me to her place and all that immature nonsense.That's too funny. That's what I feel like some (not all) of these romance novel reviews are on this thread. I feel like they are trying to one up each other by mentioning how much more service they get. For me, and I say for me as others may find more descriptive reviews helpful, but it does not help me knowing how much a particular monger has made a provider orgasm or how much cum he shot in her mouth or much his ass has been licked. To each his own.
Well for me in Chicago I got my ass chewed once for leaving a negative review, LOL. I told her it was not me but she did not believe me. I really didn't care that much. Another time a lady I knew for 10 years came into the room and showed me a review that I posted. I told her it was not me and she believed me.
I'm unclear why they are putting cross post from RM. I paid for a year there 10 years ago and I did not renew. No moderation, Trolls on the threads and every thread turned into I get more than this guy, she makes me dinner, she invites me to her place and all that immature nonsense.I'm actually glad to hear that you have the same nonsense occurring in Chicago. We too have trolls in the SD forums who do the same immature nonsense like " for what you paid $* I can get 3 sessions out of that same provider. Or you won't get the same service that I get because you're not me".
It is hilarious to hear these hobbyist brag about services provided to them (that they know you are not getting) when the bottom line is it is a paid for service.
MaximusKahn
09-29-23, 11:13
If you want to help the members of the forum, post good honest reviews, good and bad, completely anonymously.
We know the women read these. If you tell them you post, you've boxed yourself in and are obviously posting for your own benefit.
Yes you are "helping" your favorite spa, or girl get business, but we all know when they know you post and read your glowing positive post they treat you better.
The sex novels, and the bragging posts are always subject to laughter, and summarily ignored, but in each there is usually a thread of useful information even if they are obviously self-serving to the monger. If nothing else you learn not to go where they like to go, so you don't have to ever bump into them.
The guys who really want to help fellow mongers should also post their negative experiences. They don't have to be mean spirited, but simply factual as to why it was negative. This helps mongers decide where maybe they don't want to go. It could also help a Spa trying to improve business learn what needs to be changed.
When women know you on this or other post sites, you can't post true reviews because you'll always be influenced by the fact you know they read them. And we will always be suspicious of your posts.
If you want to help the members of the forum, post good honest reviews, good and bad, completely anonymously.
We know the women read these. If you tell them you post, you've boxed yourself in and are obviously posting for your own benefit.
Yes you are "helping" your favorite spa, or girl get business, but we all know when they know you post and read your glowing positive post they treat you better.
The sex novels, and the bragging posts are always subject to laughter, and summarily ignored, but in each there is usually a thread of useful information even if they are obviously self-serving to the monger. If nothing else you learn not to go where they like to go, so you don't have to ever bump into them.
The guys who really want to help fellow mongers should also post their negative experiences. They don't have to be mean spirited, but simply factual as to why it was negative. This helps mongers decide where maybe they don't want to go..I wish there was something as simple as a 'like button' because there is not much more I can add to this response. I am in complete agreement and I hope most here are as well.
If you want to help the members of the forum, post good honest reviews, good and bad, completely anonymously.
We know the women read these. If you tell them you post, you've boxed yourself in and are obviously posting for your own benefit.
Yes you are "helping" your favorite spa, or girl get business, but we all know when they know you post and read your glowing positive post they treat you better.
The sex novels, and the bragging posts are always subject to laughter, and summarily ignored, but in each there is usually a thread of useful information even if they are obviously self-serving to the monger. If nothing else you learn not to go where they like to go, so you don't have to ever bump into them..I do want to start out by saying that I don't feel attacked at all by you at all. I feel like I've read this same review so many times over, but I'm happy to share my thought on the matter anyways as I believe more people should have this insight. So I thank you for posting this random though here.
While I do agree with some of what you say. To your point. By posting negative reviews, we are also sort of holding these women hostage and putting them in a position where they say / do / don't could be detrimental to themselves for fear of negative review. People should be able to freely share both positive and negative as you say, but imagine this:
If you only post the good reviews of the providers (meaning they contain both positive and negative aspects of that person) then only those providers will be sought after. There would be no need for negative reviews in most cases.
I don't agree with your anonymous statement though as I feel too many people try to hide behind that and use it as an excuse for slander. I write reviews, in a way that IS COMPLETELY HONEST regardless of what you may or may not believe based on your post and I stand behind my reviews, answer questions / messages from mongers and have no problems letting the women know I write them. There's nothing wrong with that. If the women know they are doing a good job. Won't that make them do a better job to continue to get good business? Isn't that what we all want? The issue is really that we don't trust the people writing reviews. I get that. That's why I write my own. So instead of complaining about it, that's what I did.
The guys who really want to help fellow mongers should also post their negative experiences. They don't have to be mean spirited, but simply factual as to why it was negative. This helps mongers decide where maybe they don't want to go. It could also help a Spa trying to improve business learn what needs to be changed.
When women know you on this or other post sites, you can't post true reviews because you'll always be influenced by the fact you know they read them. And we will always be suspicious of your posts.Agree with everything you said. I remember the super shill and now banned curiousjo always talked shit about mongers that left mediocre reviews to his favorite spa. Even tried to argue with me to remove my review because I mentioned blood stains on the sheets in a room of his favorite spa. Reached out to me multiple times saying it was my fault for not asking the spa to change the sheets (which I did, just shared info so others could keep an eye out and stay safe / clean). At that point you lose all credibility.
Typical behavior of white knights also include blaming mongers or spamming overly positive reviews of a provider any time there is a non perfect review by someone else. Oh you must have not showered before you went, the provider was probably having a long day, maybe you didn't have chemistry.
- how about maybe the service wasn't as expected and someone is just sharing that information?
It's like the spas raise the alarms and ask their white knights to bury useful information with 8 paragraphs of copy pasted fantasy novels any time one of their providers gets a non 5 star review.
Canuck6234
09-29-23, 13:36
If you want to help the members of the forum, post good honest reviews, good and bad, completely anonymously.
We know the women read these. If you tell them you post, you've boxed yourself in and are obviously posting for your own benefit.
Yes you are "helping" your favorite spa, or girl get business, but we all know when they know you post and read your glowing positive post they treat you better.
The sex novels, and the bragging posts are always subject to laughter, and summarily ignored, but in each there is usually a thread of useful information even if they are obviously self-serving to the monger. If nothing else you learn not to go where they like to go, so you don't have to ever bump into them.
The guys who really want to help fellow mongers should also post their negative experiences. They don't have to be mean spirited, but simply factual as to why it was negative. This helps mongers decide where maybe they don't want to go. It could also help a Spa trying to improve business learn what needs to be changed.
When women know you on this or other post sites, you can't post true reviews because you'll always be influenced by the fact you know they read them. And we will always be suspicious of your posts.Yep, MaxK has some good thoughts here. I never tell the ladies my screen name. There are some sites where you contact them through a DM direct from the site so of course those escorts know what name I review under on that site but the AMP ladies do not know. I generally get good service at the AMPs, because if I seeca lady who does a good job and I want to see her again, I will let her know I appreciated her beauty / skils / effort (whatever is appropriate) as I hand her an extra $20 bill in addition to the standard tip. This is how you can get good service without the girls knowing who you are on the boards.
MaxK, how do you handle the escort sites like HX and PD?
DrPornDawger
10-03-23, 12:45
I would fuck her. Anyone else's thoughts.
https://youtu.be/LUwj1-1-M1Q?si=bQv_JMS851Jmj0tN
Do they think we're stupid, or just way too horny to care?
Don't they know that it makes me less likely to check out a new girl?
I'm not talking about their ads. I'm talking about when they text me about a new lineup (in other words, things are slow) and I ask about the new girl's body type. Seriously, I'm a repeat customer otherwise they wouldn't have my number. Can't they just be honest with a slim vs. Curvy?
End of rant, for now.
Canuck6234
10-03-23, 19:29
I would fuck her. Anyone else's thoughts.
https://youtu.be/LUwj1-1-M1Q?si=bQv_JMS851Jmj0tNI know what she is going through. Everytime I go out and see any relatively attractive women my mind imagines her with her legs spread and me about to mount her.
I would offer my service to help her out but she is geographical undesirable.
I write reviews, in a way that IS COMPLETELY HONEST regardless of what you may or may not believe After all this talk and posting romance novel reviews, now officially labeled as a shill by admin HAHAHA.
IronClad999
10-07-23, 10:46
After all this talk and posting romance novel reviews, now officially labeled as a shill by admin HAHAHA.Too many simps / shills trying to act smart thinking we won't know their sneaky sht nowadays; hence most of the time critical reports are better valued vs. Skyhigh glowing junkies.
IronClad999
10-07-23, 10:50
Well for me in Chicago I got my ass chewed once for leaving a negative review, LOL. I told her it was not me but she did not believe me. I really didn't care that much. Another time a lady I knew for 10 years came into the room and showed me a review that I posted. I told her it was not me and she believed me.
I'm unclear why they are putting cross post from RM. I paid for a year there 10 years ago and I did not renew. No moderation, Trolls on the threads and every thread turned into I get more than this guy, she makes me dinner, she invites me to her place and all that immature nonsense.That site is full of 5 year olds always complaining and crying about minor stuff but they are the ones that don't want to contribute jack sht yet takes things for granted. And most are dumb enough to show providers the reviews and ask them about special extras cas online says they do offer it then got turned down LOL. Pretty much crappy value for any renewal purposes and spot on about "no moderation" so they allow peeps attacking / insulting each other which providers far less 411's cas its just dramas and lurkers around there.
Usgyinyang
10-07-23, 19:20
Not that I said it out loud but I had a really strong suspicion that Erma was going to be the next spa to get shills banned. Awk.
MaximusKahn
10-09-23, 13:47
Hi Canuck.
I primarily go to AMPs. Some FS but mostly Non-FS providers. Easy to stay anonymous.
I do not use HX or PD, as I understand it they may have some validation process where you are identified or linked to an identity and validated to participate. Those who use them will have to chime in and share their thoughts.
From what I've read here, it seems their posts are monitored and if they are positive they get rewards, and if negative they get punished in some way. Under those conditions, one can only question the honesty of the posts.
My comments about anonymous posts were primarily aimed at the USA Sex Guide forums, where it is the only place I post.
We all monger in our own way, and as I see it the only way you can really help fellow mongers without reward or fear, is if you are anonymous.
Yep, MaxK has some good thoughts here. I never tell the ladies my screen name. There are some sites where you contact them through a DM direct from the site so of course those escorts know what name I review under on that site but the AMP ladies do not know. I generally get good service at the AMPs, because if I seeca lady who does a good job and I want to see her again, I will let her know I appreciated her beauty / skils / effort (whatever is appropriate) as I hand her an extra $20 bill in addition to the standard tip. This is how you can get good service without the girls knowing who you are on the boards.
MaxK, how do you handle the escort sites like HX and PD?
Rey KittyHawk
10-12-23, 09:52
Aren't we all "addicted to sex"?
I raised my hand. And TBH, I'm looking for women who are addicted to sex too!
As you find the women addicted to sex, please keep posting about them so the rest of us can find them too.
I'd be happy to fuck her too.
I would fuck her. Anyone else's thoughts.
https://youtu.be/LUwj1-1-M1Q?si=bQv_JMS851Jmj0tN
https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/california/san-diego/bodyrubs/body-rubs/must-try-amp-satisfaction-guaranteed-vnulb2-locati-37970.html
The names and images line up. Also yes a half hour was 220 out the door; they took down the actual image of the bed. So I could not go back and compare the floor tile.So ronson and mesa are the "two locations" for this business.
No wonder one of the shills that got banned was shilling for mesa all the time, and coincidentally the only one always posting about ronson as well. Chillin in the mamasan's pocket like a good little boy LOL.
IronClad999
10-12-23, 19:04
Aren't we all "addicted to sex"?
I raised my hand. And TBH, I'm looking for women who are addicted to sex too!
As you find the women addicted to sex, please keep posting about them so the rest of us can find them too.
I'd be happy to fuck her too.Its more like how much their pussy can handle the addiction vs our ironmans LOL; constant battle to remain attractive.
So ronson and mesa are the "two locations" for this business.
No wonder one of the shills that got banned was shilling for mesa all the time, and coincidentally the only one always posting about ronson as well. Chillin in the mamasan's pocket like a good little boy LOL.Ah man I miss you buddy. I look forward to participating in discussions again. I belong to no woman, or man for that matter, but I still find the entire situation to be quite funny. I'm just some guy who likes to go to places where there is air conditioning, the sheets are clean. It also helps that the women are nice and attractive as well. SO much fuss for someone like me. I didn't make fake accounts and I never posted about these two particular spas anymore than other users. If the new providers are good and I like them, I write reviews. If they aren't, I don't. It's very simple. Otherwise my entire RM account would be flooded with every single provider that was ever present at these two particular spas. Like we can see if we search up some banned spas and the reviewers who write for them. The true shills.
Anyway, looking forward to posting about my future adventures folks. I will cut back on the story telling since it doesn't seem to be as appreciated on this forum as much as it is on RM.
J4 out.
I will cut back on the story telling since it doesn't seem to be as appreciated on this forum as much as it is on RM.
J4 out.Its not the story telling. You literally lie for the spa / provider.
You had a review for ronson calling Monica a korean provider. I simply called out that I don't think this is true.
Your response was an oxymoron: "but she speaks fluent Korean. Not a lick of Japanese. Has a korean passport, lives in Korea, has Korean social media accounts. I'm not a spokesperson for this fucking spa" - you literally are being a spokesperson for the spa / provider and claiming not to be LOL.
You say she speaks fluent Korean so I was actually excited to visit her so imagine my letdown when I make an appointment and she had the vocabulary of someone that learned korean for 2 weeks. I am a fluent speaker and could not hold a conversation with her at ALL so the one reason I went to visit based on a review from you was fake news. I tried speaking some japanese with her and she instinctively responded before acting like she didn't understand.
Its not the story telling. You literally lie for the spa / provider.
You had a review for ronson calling Monica a korean provider. I simply called out that I don't think this is true.
Your response was an oxymoron: "but she speaks fluent Korean. Not a lick of Japanese. Has a korean passport, lives in Korea, has Korean social media accounts. I'm not a spokesperson for this fucking spa" - you literally are being a spokesperson for the spa / provider and claiming not to be LOL.
You say she speaks fluent Korean so I was actually excited to visit her so imagine my letdown when I make an appointment and she had the vocabulary of someone that learned korean for 2 weeks. I am a fluent speaker and could not hold a conversation with her at ALL so the one reason I went to visit based on a review from you was fake news. I tried speaking some japanese with her and she instinctively responded before acting like she didn't understand.Respectfully, I don't lie for anyone. I provided my honest opinion based on the information I observed, collected and derived at the time of my interaction like I have for any other review and experience I have. I'm really not here to argue a he said / she said thing. I know what my facts are and you are welcome to broadcast whatever you want on this forum. I don't claim to be an expert on the Korean language, but I have had other mongers report information that is contradictory to what you claim. I just know that I have never said anything negative about you, but you are so quick to judge me because I write reviews for women providers who work at spas. But you assume because they work at certain spas that I am somehow in cahoots with those owners. The reality is that you couldn't be more wrong and the relationship that you think I have with these bosses is far from this shill-perfect fantasy. I would be happy to share more details with you, just send me a message. Many other users on the forum know that I'm pretty up front with my information.
Have a good one man!
Monica is for sure 100% NOT KOREAN. Why say she is other than advertisement?
Respectfully, I don't lie for anyone. I provided my honest opinion based on the information I observed, collected and derived at the time of my interaction like I have for any other review and experience I have. I'm really not here to argue a he said / she said thing. I know what my facts are and you are welcome to broadcast whatever you want on this forum. I don't claim to be an expert on the Korean language, but I have had other mongers report information that is contradictory to what you claim. I just know that I have never said anything negative about you, but you are so quick to judge me because I write reviews for women providers who work at spas. But you assume because they work at certain spas that I am somehow in cahoots with those owners. The reality is that you couldn't be more wrong and the relationship that you think I have with these bosses is far from this shill-perfect fantasy. I would be happy to share more details with you, just send me a message. Many other users on the forum know that I'm pretty up front with my information.
Have a good one man!You can stretch your sentences with meaningless empty words all you want but all I know is that I did trust your review to go see a korean provider, tried to correct the facts, and you doubled down and started stating fake facts about how she is fluent when I know for a fact she is not korean and doesn't speak it.
I know what my facts areWell you obviously don't.
You can stretch your sentences with meaningless empty words all you want but all I know is that I did trust your review to go see a korean provider, tried to correct the facts, and you doubled down and started stating fake facts about how she is fluent when I know for a fact she is not korean and doesn't speak it.
Well you obviously don't.I'm sorry that there is no real way for us to come to terms with this over the internet. I'm sure we we met up or crossed paths that this entire thing would be cleared up very quickly. Like I said before, I'm not here to insult you or be negative towards you. It has always been my intent to help users on the forum and to help the providers. Regardless of how others feel about that.
On a side note, I happen to be Mexican and I don't speak a lick of Spanish, but I've grown up in San Diego my entire life right near the border. But there's probably no logical reasoning or explanation for that. I must not actually be of Mexican descent and be lying about my origins. Who knows anymore.
happen to be Mexican and I don't speak a lick of Spanish ... I must not actually be of Mexican descent and be lying about my origins.So which is it?
1. your original claim: she is Korean, speaks Korean FLUENTLY, has a Korean passport, and social media accounts.
2. what you seem to be claiming now: she is of Korean descent and doesn't speak a lick of Korean.
3. you were incorrect and just can't seem to admit it and you are just fake news! LOL.
Monica is for sure 100% NOT KOREAN. Why say she is other than advertisement?Some people get turned on more from the fact that mamasan texts them (fake) inside info and get off from flexing that (fake) information online it seems.
Here are a couple of thoughts to share.
1. Don't take a review as factual evidence. If someone claims that a provider is a Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, and you have a desire to see either a Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, then pick up the phone and call / text the establishment and confirm if "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean.
2. If the establishment confirms via text / phone that "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, drive yourself down and ask to meet the provider and confirm inside or before entering the room if "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean.
3. If "XYZ" turns out to not be Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, turn around and go home.
4. If you are sharing information that is questioned by other mongers who are experts in determining the origins of Skrulls, Eskimos, or Koreans, take the L and let them have their meaningless victory.
5. If squabbling on the "Stupid Shit in SD" thread of this forum is your hobby, find a better one.
It's getting really tiring reading all this redundancy. Someone called someone a shill. That guy said he's not. Original guy doubled-down. Other guy tried to take the high road. First guy seems to want to drag this out. PM each other my dudes, or give it a rest already.
IronClad999
10-21-23, 06:33
Here are a couple of thoughts to share.
1. Don't take a review as factual evidence. If someone claims that a provider is a Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, and you have a desire to see either a Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, then pick up the phone and call / text the establishment and confirm if "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean.
2. If the establishment confirms via text / phone that "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, drive yourself down and ask to meet the provider and confirm inside or before entering the room if "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean.
3. If "XYZ" turns out to not be Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, turn around and go home.
4. If you are sharing information that is questioned by other mongers who are experts in determining the origins of Skrulls, Eskimos, or Koreans, take the L and let them have their meaningless victory.
5. If squabbling on the "Stupid Shit in SD" thread of this forum is your hobby, find a better one.
It's getting really tiring reading all this redundancy. Someone called someone a shill. That guy said he's not. Original guy doubled-down. Other guy tried to take the high road. First guy seems to want to drag this out. PM each other my dudes, or give it a rest already.Or release the steam on finding better chicks LOL.
Some people get turned on more from the fact that mamasan texts them (fake) inside info and get off from flexing that (fake) information online it seems.This is Truth right here!
Here are a couple of thoughts to share.
1. Don't take a review as factual evidence. If someone claims that a provider is a Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, and you have a desire to see either a Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, then pick up the phone and call / text the establishment and confirm if "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean.
2. If the establishment confirms via text / phone that "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, drive yourself down and ask to meet the provider and confirm inside or before entering the room if "XYZ" is Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean.
3. If "XYZ" turns out to not be Skrull, Eskimo, or Korean, turn around and go home.
4. If you are sharing information that is questioned by other mongers who are experts in determining the origins of Skrulls, Eskimos, or Koreans, take the L and let them have their meaningless victory.
5. If squabbling on the "Stupid Shit in SD" thread of this forum is your hobby, find a better one.
It's getting really tiring reading all this redundancy. Someone called someone a shill. That guy said he's not. Original guy doubled-down. Other guy tried to take the high road. First guy seems to want to drag this out. PM each other my dudes, or give it a rest already.Or just scroll on past, or block them, without the need to tell people what they should be doing from some moral high ground.
Or release the steam on finding better chicks LOL.Completely agree with this.
Or just scroll on past, or block them, without the need to tell people what they should be doing from some moral high ground.Why would I come to a monger forum to seek moral high ground? It's ironic that you say that telling people what to do is indicative of seeking a moral high ground, and then you proceed to tell me what to do.
I don't block users. It's counterproductive to what we're supposed to do here, share useful information. Even the most blockable contributor may have useful information at some point.
If I'm not mistaken, this is the Stupid Shit in SD thread. Am I to understand that either satire is not appropriate here or that allegiances and preferences are so strong here that people are white knighting for other mongers now?
Don't take this as me telling you what to do, thereby seeking the moral high ground, but relax and rechannel your energy. Everyone can admit that the back and forth of accusations and finger pointing is tedious, exhausting, and useless.
It's getting really tiring reading all this redundancy. Someone called someone a shill. That guy said he's not. Original guy doubled-down. Other guy tried to take the high road.Here is a summary of the "redundancy" for those that are tired of stupid shit in the stupid shit in San Diego thread!
Shill posted a review about a provider being Korean.
I called it false and that she is not Korean.
Shill doubled down and said she is fluent in Korean and has a Korean passport (prostitutes that hide their real name and age love to show their passports to mongers!
I called it false again and that I tried speaking korean with her.
Shill backtracks and says "I'm a Mexican and I don't Spanish, does that mean I'm not Mexican?" (is this taking the high road?
Why would I come to a monger forum to seek moral high ground? It's ironic that you say that telling people what to do is indicative of seeking a moral high ground, and then you proceed to tell me what to do.
I don't block users. It's counterproductive to what we're supposed to do here, share useful information. Even the most blockable contributor may have useful information at some point.
If I'm not mistaken, this is the Stupid Shit in SD thread. Am I to understand that either satire is not appropriate here or that allegiances and preferences are so strong here that people are white knighting for other mongers now?
Don't take this as me telling you what to do, thereby seeking the moral high ground, but relax and rechannel your energy. Everyone can admit that the back and forth of accusations and finger pointing is tedious, exhausting, and useless.That was my bad. I should have just stated that "I just bypass or block them. " And not told someone else what to do.
A while back there was someone running around telling mongers NOT to post bad reviews, only good ones. Blah blah. Fuck that. Hopefully we tell it like it is. Someone went to A to Z, posted some stunning reviews. Myself and a few other mongers went to try it out. Got completely different results. Nobody blamed him, or called him a shill. He actually felt really bad. I still have full faith and confidence in what he posts. Sometimes luck of the draw doesn't work out, not on the monger, but on the spa. I went back and re-read about the Korean provider. And yes, I would agree he's F. O. S. I don't know if I would proclaim him a shill, as I didn't investigate his prior postings.
Peace.
GL.
Here is a summary of the "redundancy" for those that are tired of stupid shit in the stupid shit in San Diego thread!
Shill posted a review about a provider being Korean.
I called it false and that she is not Korean.
Shill doubled down and said she is fluent in Korean and has a Korean passport (prostitutes that hide their real name and age love to show their passports to mongers!
I called it false again and that I tried speaking korean with her.
Shill backtracks and says "I'm a Mexican and I don't Spanish, does that mean I'm not Mexican?" (is this taking the high road?This is some FOX news level coverage here guys.
At least all this stupid shit is in the right thread.
At least all this stupid shit is in the right thread.Couldn't agree more. Only reason I respond to it at all. At this point it doesn't matter what I say or what the truth is. It never mattered to begin with. Some people are going to post what they want to say and that's fine. This forum should be the place for people to do so. I mean assuming you follow the rules of course.
One of the things I try to do with my reviews is provide people with information so that they can make a decision for themselves. I don't necessarily disagree with you on you're "hard pass" assessment, but understand that comments like that don't really help most people as there no information to go along with it. There are plenty of really attractive AMP girls that I've visited that I personally wouldn't ever go see again for various reasons. But I wouldn't summarize my entire experience with any of them as "I don't like her, don't see her. ".
I think Tina appeals to a different group of mongers and that might not be you or me for that matter. Which is why I never explicitly said I would recommend her. With that all being said, I still try to assess her services in a way that provides beneficial information for myself and others.
I'm not trying to upsell this person. But there are people who will like her based on the information I put in my review and I don't want to deter people from seeing her simply because I say "she bad. ".
I hope that makes sense and you understand where I'm coming from.Do you enjoy this place so much that you would only do reviews on this spa and owner's other spa (mesa spa)? Apologize ahead of time and not trying to start anything, I hope you understand where some members are coming from and that this site is one of the very few that are still reliable. It's very easy to just copy and paste reviews from another site. Providing false information such as the provider's ethnicity (ie Monica being Korean, when really she's 100% Chinese is from China, arrived from China speaks Mandarin with the owner, and the other girl that she worked with). They were litteraly speaking Mandarin in front of me, I am not Chinese but I learned the language, I believe they were talking about eating pizza after lol. Reviews are only beneficial to others if they are accurate.
Do you enjoy this place so much that you would only do reviews on this spa and owner's other spa (mesa spa)? Apologize ahead of time and not trying to start anything, I hope you understand where some members are coming from and that this site is one of the very few that are still reliable. It's very easy to just copy and paste reviews from another site. Providing false information such as the provider's ethnicity (ie Monica being Korean, when really she's 100% Chinese is from China, arrived from China speaks Mandarin with the owner, and the other girl that she worked with). They were litteraly speaking Mandarin in front of me, I am not Chinese but I learned the language, I believe they were talking about eating pizza after lol. Reviews are only beneficial to others if they are accurate.I've probably been to more AMPs in the last two months the vast majority of users on this entire forum have been too in most there lives. And I can tell you from my experience that if you go to any random AMP, chances are you are going to come across women that do not look anything like the women I am describing in my reviews. By this, I mean you will actually come across these "old" and "ugly" women that most of us are afraid to meet when we do ultimately decide to take that first step into a new AMP. I don't copy info, I am the same person on RM and this forum. I don't have any connection to the mms of these spas other than they let me know when they get new girls in, same as any other customer. They may give me a priority appointment. But I can assure you they hasn't meant shit at Ronson rofl. Once again I write reviews for other people to see. I really don't need too. I can keep it to myself if that is what people prefer, but the vocal minority who keep posting against is just that. The minority.
You are welcome to your own opinion and I encourage it. All I ask from users on the forum is that if you have one, please provide us with useful information so that others can take that into consideration when making decisions.
FFS I don't care about Monica. Is it not possible for the woman to speak another damn language? I don't need to broadcast her life story to prove jack shit to anyone. Believe whatever you want, I don't care. No one can tell me to write a fucking thing, I write what I want. If you believe I made such a grievous error, then people don't need to read my content. They can try their luck reading the bullshit posted by the robots or waste their own money walking into an AMP on their own and seeing it for themselves. I would hardly consider getting a persons ethnicity right or wrong as false information. But to each their own.
Like I said, people can believe whatever they want, but I don't gain anything by providing people with bullshit. I obviously have plenty of money if I'm able to go to these fucking spas almost everyday. And I assure you these stingy bosses ain't paying me rofl.
Did the shill get banned again? Haven't been on the site in a couple weeks and came back to my favorite thread to see that the shill is labeled as a banned user on the last post on this thread hahaha.
They were litteraly speaking Mandarin in front of me, I am not Chinese but I learned the language, I believe they were talking about eating pizza after lol. Reviews are only beneficial to others if they are accurate.This is what I've been trying to call out multiple times but the shill never admits that he could be wrong. Just vague sidestepping statements like "if she speaks another language does that mean she isn't another ethnicity?" "I'm Mexican and don't speak Spanish does that mean I'm not Mexican?
The ego of the shills that get information fed to them by owners is inflated for no reason and the length they go to defend fake information (age, ethnicity, etc.) when other mongers push back is honestly funny.
Rey KittyHawk
11-23-23, 14:01
A couple of guys in the Street Walker thread mentioned how much a turn off it was, when the women's pussy smelled foul when they fucked them doggy.
All I could think after laughing is how nasty that is. No offense to anyone who likes that, but I think a women who smells like a combination of three day old Fish, Ass, Pussy, Piss, Cum, and lots of Sex would turn off anyone.
I love a clean pussy that smells and tastes like pussy, but any smell that implies poor hygiene, bad chemistry, or disease, would be off limits to me. Just saying.
SDJaziKing
11-28-23, 19:59
I've never met Vivi or Fendi or been to MoonSea. If I go to Moon Sea I too will share my experience (s). These girls are traveling working girls so they can't move from one spa to another? Even one of mine and many favorite to mongers on this site "Cici" moved around and worked at various spas that are owned by different owners. I've even seen girls in the AAMP scenes moved from one agency to another competitor agency. Girls moving from spas to spas and guys writing reviews about them don't make them shills. I would be suspect of mongers that write reviews for just one spa. I'm in the hobby to find hot girls I can fuck. I'm going to go where I know there are hot girls.I was asked if I wanted to go to Moonsea instead since girls were busy at 108, saying "We have a new location opened."
Tell me that's not a clear indication those two spas are related.
You never see any Chinese spa girls to tell you to check out "other spa" unless they are internally related, that's a hard fact
RChangDatyKing
11-28-23, 20:52
I was asked if I wanted to go to Moonsea instead since girls were busy at 108, saying "We have a new location opened."
Tell me that's not a clear indication those two spas are related.
You never see any Chinese spa girls to tell you to check out "other spa" unless they are internally related, that's a hard factFirst, my response was specifically answering to what the other monger wrote.
When you first posted about them you were cryptic / vague about the spa and said, "don't ask me how I know" or something. Then claiming there would be shill reviews coming or something like that.
Now your above information is more concrete. If they texted you saying they have a new spa then yeah I may agree they have the same ownership. Why be cryptic about it if you are going to claim reviews for them will be shills. Look like you were still trying to go there but was told to try their new spa. I'm not going to make assumptions and don't know if you went to the new spa. If you did, care to share your experience? Maybe it wasn't as good as what others are reporting that's why you think those positive reviews are shills.
Just a general comment. Again why can't reviews be reviews. Because your experience might be different from others that make the other reviews shill reports?
Me- I just want to know where to find hot girls to have sex with.
I was asked if I wanted to go to Moonsea instead since girls were busy at 108, saying "We have a new location opened."
Tell me that's not a clear indication those two spas are related.
You never see any Chinese spa girls to tell you to check out "other spa" unless they are internally related, that's a hard factSo I'm newer here and that means no one gives a shit what I have to say, but I will say it anyway because why the fuck not?
I feel like it's very easy to verify the ownership of these businesses. The county clerks office would have record of the official owner (s). If anyone really cares enough to want to prove themselves right / wrong instead of just this bullshit on the internet about I'm right because.
Isn't the entire issue with the other not to be named spas originate around the premise that mass shill / fake accounts were made that essentially flooded these forums. This spa seemed to have been following the rules up until this shit storm these last two days? Seems weird to me, especially since most of the posts are senior members?
I will admit that after seeing so much postings about this place, I pulled it up on Google maps. After seeing where it is, I scratched my head for awhile. As amazing as this place sounds, I'm not really in a rush to go to that part of town. No matter how nice it may be, purely because of the distance it is from my home and it's annoying location in basically downtown / hillcrest / NorthPark?
Well that's my 2 cents.
SDJaziKing
11-28-23, 22:47
First, my response was specifically answering to what the other monger wrote.
When you first posted about them you were cryptic / vague about the spa and said, "don't ask me how I know" or something. Then claiming there would be shill reviews coming or something like that.
Now your above information is more concrete. If they texted you saying they have a new spa then yeah I may agree they have the same ownership. Why be cryptic about it if you are going to claim reviews for them will be shills. Look like you were still trying to go there but was told to try their new spa. I'm not going to make assumptions and don't know if you went to the new spa. If you did, care to share your experience? Maybe it wasn't as good as what others are reporting that's why you think those positive reviews are shills.
Just a general comment. Again why can't reviews be reviews. Because your experience might be different from others that make the other reviews shill reports?
Me- I just want to know where to find hot girls to have sex with.To be fair, it was and still is forbidden to talk about this spa so I tried to minimize the detail at first.
Few things to add;.
- I didn't text them, better yet, I was told in person when I arrived at 108. Girls even called Moonsea to check something (honestly don't know what was it all about as they were talking in Chinese).
- No I didn't go to Moonsea, as I HATE going to Hillcrest due to shitty parking.
- Even after this place was forbidden to be even mentioned on this forum, I was still a regular client to them. I just never bothered to share the info on here, abiding the rules as a member on this forum. Am I shill for going there? I don't think so.
- Do I think the influx of "praising" reviews have anything to do with past incident? More than anything yes. Do you know how many times I trusted "good reviews" on here, ended up realizing shit is biased as fuck? Guess what, shill reviews cause it the most of the time, trying to impress the girls or MMS and shit. If you are not one of them, good for you, keep it up.
Foreskin69
11-29-23, 01:14
To be fair, it was and still is forbidden to talk about this spa so I tried to minimize the detail at first.
Few things to add;.
- I didn't text them, better yet, I was told in person when I arrived at 108. Girls even called Moonsea to check something (honestly don't know what was it all about as they were talking in Chinese).
- No I didn't go to Moonsea, as I HATE going to Hillcrest due to shitty parking.
- Even after this place was forbidden to be even mentioned on this forum, I was still a regular client to them. I just never bothered to share the info on here, abiding the rules as a member on this forum. Am I shill for going there? I don't think so.
- Do I think the influx of "praising" reviews have anything to do with past incident? More than anything yes. Do you know how many times I trusted "good reviews" on here, ended up realizing shit is biased as fuck? Guess what, shill reviews cause it the most of the time, trying to impress the girls or MMS and shit. If you are not one of them, good for you, keep it up.I know since I'm new to posting reviews and stuff I don't really have a say. But I would like some clarity on this subject. Does the admins or other senior members have any thoughts on this? I do think reviews in general are very subjective since one person could have just been lucky getting a good experience (I. E. He came at a less busy time, was clean, caught the girl at a good time). At the same time I agree that we don't want reviews that are just fake and not actually giving the real treatment. Anyways yeah I want to give good honest reviews and would love this forum to keep it that way as it's helped me a lot.
- Do I think the influx of "praising" reviews have anything to do with past incident? More than anything yes. Do you know how many times I trusted "good reviews" on here, ended up realizing shit is biased as fuck? Guess what, shill reviews cause it the most of the time, trying to impress the girls or MMS and shit. If you are not one of them, good for you, keep it up.Really? Shilling just to impress MMS? At least I was offered a discount on the house fee if I wrote good reviews. They obviously never checked because I kept my discount despite the fact that only review I ever wrote was for eva who was a legit good experience.
PoonTangJohnny
11-29-23, 14:59
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I will fucking ban you if you do this again.
Try me.
A2
I reached out to one of her recent HX red flagger and basically says the same thing. That her alleged accomplices rob your while in a session with her.GuySwanson developed a personal relationship with Allycat. They are no longer friends and he felt like he was burned by their relationship and now he wants to ruin her business. I don't trust him. He seems to have created this account just to badmouth her. The guy seems unstable to me based off the messages I received from him. Dude, move on with your life and don't develop personal relationships with escorts.
GuySwanson
12-12-23, 13:53
GuySwanson developed a personal relationship with Allycat. They are no longer friends and he felt like he was burned by their relationship and now he wants to ruin her business. I don't trust him. He seems to have created this account just to badmouth her. The guy seems unstable to me based off the messages I received from him. Dude, move on with your life and don't develop personal relationships with escorts.She robbed me. Ripped me off. Has done it to others as well. Get all the facts before you go captain save a ho. She's a very good liar and a thief. None of what I said is false. Everything is absolutely 100% true. Figure it out for yourself. No sweat. Believe the felon or the veteran with no criminal record. Up to you.
Miguel Honcho
12-14-23, 22:36
I should have seen this early and steer you guys down the right path. Nova has good looks with a toned, hot, body, ass and long blondish hair. I've uploaded pics from a few years ago when I saw her in LA and the longer hair for today. She may not be the superstar of the OC Daisy, she's got skills you just didn't experience, I did. Yes, I found her very attractive. Remember, YMMV. I booked an hour, extra shot, was a gentlemen at the door and our session met all of my needs. Nova has very good reviews when she worked in LA and OC. She has used different names and she said bookers wanted to change. She's been Nova, Nuri, Vera and probably more. I'm guessing mid-30's and her DFK, BBBJ, shower preview, damn hot outfit and cute as fuck attitude seals it for me. Leg wraps, doggy, RCG, ACG, you name it, she's down for it. I'll give this lady a full thumbs up and overall 8/10. Yes, I can recommend her.+1 I thought Nova was hot and she provided good service.
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