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This isn't looking good.https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/usa_v._han_lee_et_al_-_complaint_affidavit_redacted.pdf
Comcast7777
11-09-23, 00:09
https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/usa_v._han_lee_et_al_-_complaint_affidavit_redacted.pdfI was relieved to skim that and see no mention of any database or personal identifying information.
The thing that has me sweating is the prosecutor saying in the press releases that the investigation into the clients is just beginning. Why would they investigate if they had no intention of prosecuting or at least leveraging that info somehow?
Is MA Angels related to BTT? I saw that their website is also down but not seized by the fed.
https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/usa_v._han_lee_et_al_-_complaint_affidavit_redacted.pdf"More specifically, once the information is verified, the sex.
Customer receives a text message from phone numbers associated with the brothels. In the.
Alternative, clients also can be verified through their "TerID" or through "Preferred 411. " Based.
On my training and experience, I am aware that "TerID" refers to an identification assigned to.
Commercial sex workers and to VIP members of a website titled www.TheErotiRview.com.
Which provides clients with, among other things, access to reviews and lists of and allow searches.
For commercial sex workers. Likewise, I am aware that "Preferred 411" refers to a website titled.
www.prefered411.com".
"Investigators have already identified several of the alleged customers through surveillance, phone records, and interviews, Levy said. ".
Above are two direct quotes, seems like the identified parties are from surveilance, phone calls and actually talking to people.
If any of my AMPs get shut down I'll riot in the street.
Member #6445
11-09-23, 01:23
Are we at risk? What precautions should we take? Do they intend to go after clients? The language on the news and the document shared seems unclear on that. I'm very worried and scared right now.
Flyguy1980
11-09-23, 03:10
I was verified with BAD when they were around. When they got busted I was never contacted by anybody. One thing is for sure, no way in hell another agencies like BTT will ever come around here again. Like who in their right mind would want to be a client of theirs when they demand real world info? Fuck that and fuck them! Never again!This was a message from BTT. Way too much requested information.
Screening&(All 3, Not 1 of 3).
1. Selfie. Holding your license next to your face.
2. Picture of your I'd. Sensitive info can be hidden. Name and DOB must be shown.
3. Work email verification. Send an email from your work email that has official domain in the address such as. At companyname.com (References or ter or p411, if qualified, instead of work domained email is ok).
Email, type in "Verify. ".
You need to do the screening process first to make an appointment and get specific information. Willing to do?
Thank you!
I'm glad I never participated.
Fly.
I was verified with BAD when they were around. When they got busted I was never contacted by anybody. One thing is for sure, no way in hell another agencies like BTT will ever come around here again. Like who in their right mind would want to be a client of theirs when they demand real world info? Fuck that and fuck them! Never again!I was never verified by BAD, but I visited KGirlfriendBoston girls several times and nothing came of it after they were busted.
Given that it was the US Attorney at the head on this, we'll probably only hear about clients if they're politicians with an are after their name. Small fries like us aren't worth the trouble, despite the tough talk of "nobody is above the law. ".
As has been said several times already, if the cops show up asking questions, shut the fuck up and lawyer up.
Mattis1775
11-09-23, 06:46
With all this going on Im wondering if it was LE phishing for information? Has anyone else gotten texts from someone or something like this in the last day or so? All very weird.It could be SPAM. But, it's also LEO trying to gather more client information to build their case. There are some that only visited BTT a few times where most of the members here visited frequently, especially when Shu was working. I'm very certain they're trying to find the little fish from the group.
Just ignore it.
Are we at risk? What precautions should we take? Do they intend to go after clients? The language on the news and the document shared seems unclear on that. I'm very worried and scared right now."customers that have been identified through investigative methods. I believe there are potentially.
Hundreds of yet to be identified customers that may include other professional disciplines not.
Included in the list above. As detailed below, the customers or sex buyers described within this.
Affidavit are not named. I do not do this for purposes of maintaining their anonymity, but instead.
Do so because our investigation into their involvement in prostitution is active and ongoing".
Been watch for over a year
"On January 27, 2023, agents conducted interviews of sex customers at the 90
Fawcett Street location. During these interviews, which were conducted at around 6:07 p.m. and
7:56 p.m., the customers indicated that they communicated with the phone number -5147
to arrange for appointments for commercial sex in exchange for money at 90 Fawcett"
IrishPlaya
11-09-23, 09:01
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CasinoBlue
11-09-23, 09:22
What happened to xoc? I wasnt in the club with them but seem to be the same case?
Guys, just stop with this.
The Feds care about two things: the money trail and the interstate "trafficking" of the girls. I put that in quotes because its BS but when the girls cross state lines it triggers Feds. Same thing with BAD and their Atlanta branch. I have never heard of a single monger getting harassed EVER and I go all the way back to the beginning of Boston K Girls.This. Absolutely this.
Feds are involved because they used the USPS and the crossing of state lines. But anything else will fall within the respective states jurisdiction. In MA, they have to catch you IN THE ACT in order to make the charge stick. A text or a name on a list alone isn't enough. Any lawyer worth their salt can shred that to pieces for a defense.
If the Feds wanted you, they would have taken you by now.
Here's how it will most likely play out.
They will plead out. Money Laundering and Tax Evasion + Prison Time.
It's hard to make Sex Trafficking stick when they got paid / fed and could have left at any time.
Just stay calm, don't get in your head about it and remember that anytime LEO askes you questions. You STFU and invoke your right to remain silent and ask for your attorney.
To delete this entire thread considering how far back it goes &all the 1st hand reports? I personally haven't visited or posted in regards to BTT. But if I had, I'd want this entire thread to be gone! Just my opinion admin.Think about the mountain of evidence LE seized. That's where the worry lies.
Are we at risk? What precautions should we take? Do they intend to go after clients? The language on the news and the document shared seems unclear on that. I'm very worried and scared right now.It's a little late to take precautions if you've already given a service your I'd and they have your phone and / or IP address records that include communications from you that admit of illegal activity.
No one other than the prosecutors know if they'll "go after" clients. That depends on a lot of factors outside of the law per se. Do the prosecutors see political gain for doing so? Do the prosecutors think that they'll meaningfully deter such activities in the future if they do "name and shame" customers? No one knows.
I'm sure there's a LOT of anxiety right now. Feels awful I am sure. Take care of yourself.
Guys, just stop with this.
The Feds care about two things: the money trail and the interstate "trafficking" of the girls. I put that in quotes because its BS but when the girls cross state lines it triggers Feds. Same thing with BAD and their Atlanta branch. I have never heard of a single monger getting harassed EVER and I go all the way back to the beginning of Boston K Girls.Sound advice.
Bob O Rama
11-09-23, 10:54
"On January 27, 2023, agents conducted interviews of sex customers at the 90
Fawcett Street location. During these interviews, which were conducted at around 6:07 p.m. and
7:56 p.m., the customers indicated that they communicated with the phone number -5147
to arrange for appointments for commercial sex in exchange for money at 90 Fawcett"People really need to STFU when confronted by LE after their sessions. I get they might be caught off guard and panic in the heat of the moment, but they need to remember: if you have the right to remain silent during an arrest, why wouldn't you also have the right to remain silent when you're not under arrest?
Hyperion11
11-09-23, 11:39
People really need to STFU when confronted by LE after their sessions. I get they might be caught off guard and panic in the heat of the moment, but they need to remember: if you have the right to remain silent during an arrest, why wouldn't you also have the right to remain silent when you're not under arrest?My thoughts as well! If confronted by the LE, STFU and get a lawyer. Don't listed to whatever they promise or tell you.
And another note, BTT was asking for so much personal data to verify you, and it didn't help them in the end. So hopefully other agencies learn this. Although I doubt we'll have another agency opening shop in the area.
Why the f* aren't feds doing something really useful instead of this shit? None of the girls were forced into this, none were underage (actually the opposite, some were too old LOL! So much crime in this country and they spend their time with this?
So you know for a fact that women were not forced into doing this. Many have to do this to pay off family debts. Before you start spouting off inaccurate information do some research. By the way I used agency and provided information I now regret. Never again will I provide DL or photo.
My thoughts as well! If confronted by the LE, STFU and get a lawyer. Don't listed to whatever they promise or tell you.
And another note, BTT was asking for so much personal data to verify you, and it didn't help them in the end. So hopefully other agencies learn this. Although I doubt we'll have another agency opening shop in the area.
Why the f* aren't feds doing something really useful instead of this shit? None of the girls were forced into this, none were underage (actually the opposite, some were too old LOL! So much crime in this country and they spend their time with this?
IrishPlaya
11-09-23, 11:45
Against the club. I agree. But as they stated,"the investigation is still in its early stages". I'd tie up any loose ends if it was up to me though.
Think about the mountain of evidence LE seized. That's where the worry lies.
This was a message from BTT. Way too much requested information.
Screening&(All 3, Not 1 of 3).
1. Selfie. Holding your license next to your face.
2. Picture of your I'd. Sensitive info can be hidden. Name and DOB must be shown.
3. Work email verification. Send an email from your work email that has official domain in the address such as. At companyname.com (References or ter or p411, if qualified, instead of work domained email is ok).
Email, type in "Verify..In the retrospect, this looks like entrapment.
Member #6638
11-09-23, 12:55
Can an admin delete my account.
https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/usa_v._han_lee_et_al_-_complaint_affidavit_redacted.pdfWell decided to swing on here to check out who was good this week and Mannn, why dudes talking to feds? Always play dumb and say nothing. Killing it for the rest of us. BTT was my favorite, I don't get much free time in life and this service was awesome since I don't have have much of a "personal life". Too bad. Any one got a good recommendation you could PM my way. Really dumb this had to go away.
Hi, I posted the Boston case yesterday morning in the Los Angeles / OC threads in California, since one arrested was from Torrance:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26373-Korean-Agency-BB&p=6670395&viewfull=1#post6670395
Some fun notes:
The most expensive apartment rented was $3,664, and the owners often paid by turning cash into money orders and using the money orders to pay bills and rent. Pretty smart actually! Specifically, Hana sent over $600,000 in money orders, broken up to under $3000 orders so she would not have to show I'd (there is a legal requirement apparently). I can confirm I didn't have to show I'd for money small orders.
They went out of their way to emphasize this is a high end brothel with high end customers charging (relatively) top dollar. Not sure why but they repeated variations of this many times.
For context, back when marijuana was illegal in all 50 states the USA arrested 800,000 people per year for marijuana! In comparison, the USA arrests 70,000 per year for prostitution. The K-orgs are a tiny fraction of this. The arrests are stings and streetwalkers generally, because that's the only way you can make a ton of arrests. If you were try to make an arrest with incall, you get one chance and then your cover is blown (with a sting, your undercover agent just sets up and does it again). Years ago when they busted the Seattle K-org ring, it didn't go much beyond that. Now there are 10 times as many K-orgs as since then. So while there will always be this risk, it is going to go as well as their war on marijuana did. Individuals will suffer, but the industry will just keep growing.
Note that California recently passed and Newsom signed a law preventing police from detaining women for loitering (to investigate them for streetwalking), partly because a few innocent women were also being caught up and harassed by police. So now there are a lot of streetwalkers in California again. I'm for 100% legalization but I'm surprised at this development, here in Socal we post reports on these women just for fun, not even to see them (I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole when I can just go to a K-org). What a time to be alive.
Can an admin delete my account.For those worried, LE goes for low hanging fruit and for customers that means catching them in the act. I've written essays on this but the bottom line is they have priorities and a clear MO they stick to. Even with stings being their main MO they still drop most cases before they reach court. They are looking for solid and easy cases and are not going to rely on words as their main source of evidence. Hence the need to catch someone in the act with evidence that entails. 99% of the time that means an undercover agent is the prostitute or the customer via a sting.
With k-orgs you can play with the girl before paying - no undercover policewoman is going to dress up as a sexy Korean girl let alone let you touch them. Money is on the table. No words are exchanged. Those are the three obstacles that a sting solves. They record you agreeing to a sex act for money, they witness you giving money (the policewoman or surveillance testifies to this. An actual Korean prostitute will not), and they testify on the furtherance of the act (getting in a car, entering a room, etc.). This is why police have to stick to this script in 99% of cases, and how they manage 70,000 arrests a year. It is not from hiding in the closet without you or the girl knowing and watching everything. If they managed that, it would only work exactly one time before their cover is blown and the owner is alerted. That is just not going to happen because it is truly a waste of LE's time and doesn't catch their real target.
JsppsgFun4
11-09-23, 13:18
Hello Boston brothers,
Just wanted to post a rolling stone article. With a former federal prosecutors take on the underlying reasons behind it. Noteworthy that he explicitly says the amount of resources devoted to SW that was not involuntary caught my eye as well as what he believes. I don't think the owners / management would be dumb enough to try and extort powerful clients but I do have could believe that some of these really high level people mentioned repeatedly are feared to be vulnerable to being compromised etc.
www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/amp/
Stay safe.
IronClad999
11-09-23, 13:25
My thoughts as well! If confronted by the LE, STFU and get a lawyer. Don't listed to whatever they promise or tell you.
And another note, BTT was asking for so much personal data to verify you, and it didn't help them in the end. So hopefully other agencies learn this. Although I doubt we'll have another agency opening shop in the area.
Why the f* aren't feds doing something really useful instead of this shit? None of the girls were forced into this, none were underage (actually the opposite, some were too old LOL! So much crime in this country and they spend their time with this?Yup, and same thing like discreetstory in nova dc asking for even more invasive stuff like linkedLn etc which is way worse LOL.
Plman Smith
11-09-23, 13:44
Think about the mountain of evidence LE seized. That's where the worry lies.I feel safer already. / S.
After 9/11 laws were passed quickly, some said they were bad laws, no-knock / sneak and peep searches, etc.
We all looked the other way and said, yeah to protect us from terrorists.
Department of Homeland Security was also involved in the Florida AMPs / Bob Kraf $ arrest.
Not / What. DHS. Was. Created. For.
Tommie5156
11-09-23, 13:46
Against the club. I agree. But as they stated,"the investigation is still in its early stages". I'd tie up any loose ends if it was up to me though.I would be more concerned that LE was to turn over any list to the soon to be newly minted IRS employees who might wonder where we get the cash to play our games.
Can an admin delete my account.Why?
Is this because Boston Top Ten was busted, and you think they can track us through here?
My thoughts as well! If confronted by the LE, STFU and get a lawyer. Don't listed to whatever they promise or tell you.
And another note, BTT was asking for so much personal data to verify you, and it didn't help them in the end. So hopefully other agencies learn this. Although I doubt we'll have another agency opening shop in the area.
Why the f* aren't feds doing something really useful instead of this shit? None of the girls were forced into this, none were underage (actually the opposite, some were too old LOL! So much crime in this country and they spend their time with this?I never was a BTT or other customer, never call I just drop in and take my chances or walk. That said, been at this 30 years and lots of conversations with the girls. All state it was a side gig for quick money. Some even have regular jobs and this us bonus cash. Many providers travel to and from Korea or China and a couple from Japan back and forth freely usually visiting relatives. Never have gotten the impression anyone was being trafficked.
I heard this morning on CNN that one of the things that Korean girls did was to spy on America, getting info from their military and government clients with top secret clearance.
I'm thinking. The girls must've been transferring top secret info to their relatives in North Korea which would forward it over. I could just picture Putin or Xi getting the top secret BTT folder dropped on their desk and exclaiming "Aha America! I got you now!' lmao.
This is getting too absurd to be real. I think we should just all stop paying taxes. All of us, together, like going on strike lmao.
Comcast7777
11-09-23, 16:03
https://x.com/paulsperry_/status/1722651038409277454?s=46&t=o2HbCa1viIhQ7nlR4ndCCQ
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/boston-brothel-mass-sex-trafficking/3186274/
Of note.
"But who those sex buyers were remained a mystery on Thursday. Federal authorities were mum on the subject at the news conference, saying that any arrests for the purchase of sex would happen at the state level — the three people charged this week are accused of violating federal sex trafficking law."
Basically they are shifting the blame for the lack of any action to the state, they know MA can't do anything unless they catch people in the act.
IrishPlaya
11-09-23, 17:47
I'd assume it is. Seems to want out pretty bad too! I really don't think there's anything to worry about. Even if there is, deleting your acct at this point certainly isn't going to help none.
Sorry to see ya go Magic!
Why?
Is this because Boston Top Ten was busted, and you think they can track us through here?
I'd assume it is. Seems to want out pretty bad too! I really don't think there's anything to worry about. Even if there is, deleting your acct at this point certainly isn't going to help none.
Sorry to see ya go Magic!"Gentlemen, let us not lose our heads!" Agree with Irish, and empathize with those stressed out by these stings. Deleting your account, while understandable, or maintaining it probably won't amount to a hill of Boston baked. No nexus worth pursuing here.
DirtyBoyDom
11-09-23, 18:58
MAAngels seems to be gone too. Just hiding?
I heard this morning on CNN that one of the things that Korean girls did was to spy on America, getting info from their military and government clients with top secret clearance.
I'm thinking. The girls must've been transferring top secret info to their relatives in North Korea which would forward it over. I could just picture Putin or Xi getting the top secret BTT folder dropped on their desk and exclaiming "Aha America! I got you now!' lmao.
This is getting too absurd to be real. I think we should just all stop paying taxes. All of us, together, like going on strike lmao.I have never seen an AMP girl from North K, South Korean people hate communism. China ya maybe, they have spies everywhere.
I have never seen an AMP girl from North K, South Korean people hate communism. China ya maybe, they have spies everywhere.I don't know man. One of the most popular providers of BTT used to tell me that BTT began hiring North Koreans after she left them. In fact one of the reasons she left them was because they would bring North Korean girls that would do anything. I mean that's what she told me and who am I to doubt her? Now the FEDs are saying that it's not only prostitution ring but a Chinese espionage ring and FEDs never embellish things as far as I know.
TheGodsDecree
11-10-23, 00:01
Assume your name ended up on the list, and because you are not a VIP, your names are not disclosed. Is there any way to know your name is there? Will that appear, for instance, in a background check?
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/boston-brothel-mass-sex-trafficking/3186274/
Of note.
"But who those sex buyers were remained a mystery on Thursday. Federal authorities were mum on the subject at the news conference, saying that any arrests for the purchase of sex would happen at the state level the three people charged this week are accused of violating federal sex trafficking law."
Basically they are shifting the blame for the lack of any action to the state, they know MA can't do anything unless they catch people in the act.Probably still a mystery because they found out that members of their own law enforcement and authorities were on that list as well They have the data :)
BostonGuy25
11-10-23, 01:10
So how long before they start coming after people or will this be like the previous k agency where nothing really happened thoughts?
My thoughts as well! If confronted by the LE, STFU and get a lawyer. Don't listed to whatever they promise or tell you.
And another note, BTT was asking for so much personal data to verify you, and it didn't help them in the end. So hopefully other agencies learn this. Although I doubt we'll have another agency opening shop in the area.
Why the f* aren't feds doing something really useful instead of this shit? None of the girls were forced into this, none were underage (actually the opposite, some were too old LOL! So much crime in this country and they spend their time with this?They're so busy going after those peddling 40 year old pussy and people who took an unguided tour of the Capitol on January 6 that they just don't have time to arrest all of the people on Epstein's client list.
I have never seen an AMP girl from North K, South Korean people hate communism. China ya maybe, they have spies everywhere.So here's the thing. South Korea considers everyone in South Korea to be a citizen. So it's possible that an agent could "defect" and then come over here. Not sure how much good it would do outside of the DC area. There's definitely some Federal workers with security clearance up here, but not to the level there is near the swamp.
But this is all just wild conspiracy theory crafting.
ClaraForever
11-10-23, 02:47
I have never seen an AMP girl from North K, South Korean people hate communism. China ya maybe, they have spies everywhere.Many fake South Koreans in America too.
Cause s Koreans ignore and Koreans as people from Macau, Taiwan call mainland Chinese as beggar, greedy shits. And too much gap between culture. Don't think all are against communism. Socialism is not that despised in other counties. Many countries including north Europe adjust socialism factor in their society.
And so many fake Koreans. Chinese whose ancestors moved to China in late 19th century to early 20th century.
Their descendants learn Korean as minority group in China but their brain is just Chinese.
Do 2nd /3rd generation of Japanese immigrants in Hawaii pray for Japanese team when Japan and USA compete in the Olympics? No.
Do sons and grandsons of Italian immigrants think Italy is their mother country?
They just get benefit from pretending to be Koreans when Korea is treated better by people in west countries.
****** can lie easily. They say you are sexy while thinking lose weight fatter. They say your stamina is good while thinking when this motherfucker cum and go home.
Lying about nationality is nothing special. If they really feel proud of their country, they try to hide. Cause they know nobody like that women from their countries fuck and suck foreign dicks.
To eastern Asians, ****** for foreign men, especially interracial sex, is what the lowest of of the low virtue do.
Don't think all others think as same way as you Americans do.
SmileyRocks2
11-10-23, 02:50
I heard this morning on CNN that one of the things that Korean girls did was to spy on America, getting info from their military and government clients with top secret clearance.
I'm thinking. The girls must've been transferring top secret info to their relatives in North Korea which would forward it over. I could just picture Putin or Xi getting the top secret BTT folder dropped on their desk and exclaiming "Aha America! I got you now!' lmao.
This is getting too absurd to be real. I think we should just all stop paying taxes. All of us, together, like going on strike lmao.I've never taken any documents with me to see a Korean provider nor have I talked about anything other than the most mundane subjects, mostly because most of them barely speak English. Sorry, I'm not understanding how BTT or any similar agency could be "spying" or getting their hands on government secrets. This all sounds like more conspiratorial nonsense that seems to have overtaken the world in the information age. People are getting massively dumber and believing everything they see and read. And of course everyone is an expert on geopolitics now.
I miss the days when everyday people were just regular dumb and not world-class dumb.
I don't know man. One of the most popular providers of BTT used to tell me that BTT began hiring North Koreans after she left them. In fact one of the reasons she left them was because they would bring North Korean girls that would do anything. I mean that's what she told me and who am I to doubt her? Now the FEDs are saying that it's not only prostitution ring but a Chinese espionage ring and FEDs never embellish things as far as I know.No one just leaves North Korea so if that was happening its a completely different situation. Every Korean AMP girl I ever met was from the south. I very often strike up a conversation with them after where they are from, whether they are local or from flushing. There may be a very different level between the apartment brothels and store front parlors. I only know the store fronts.
According to the published affidavit, "Members of law enforcement have participated in the below described investigation since at least summer of 2020.” The affidavit also mentions that BTT has started its operations in July of 2020. Thus the investigation has begun essentially immediately when the agency was opened. With the extreme verification procedures, doesn't it look like the entrapment setup?
I don't know man. One of the most popular providers of BTT used to tell me that BTT began hiring North Koreans after she left them. In fact one of the reasons she left them was because they would bring North Korean girls that would do anything. I mean that's what she told me and who am I to doubt her? Now the FEDs are saying that it's not only prostitution ring but a Chinese espionage ring and FEDs never embellish things as far as I know.Can't tell if that last statement is supposed to be sarcastic, would you take the special agent's word based on his knowledge and expertise on M. Butterfly whorecraft? Changing the subject, if you do the math and say as many as 6 providers were servicing 10 johns a day over the course of nearly 3 years, day in day out, and that the surveillance apparently started from the agency's inception, that's a lot of moolah they allowed to be built up in order to seize (more than just used Corvette money). Like the Bellevue bust, that's really what it comes down to, puritanical proselytizing aside. I just wonder if they also shook the providers down like in WA, the affidavit makes them sound like afterthoughts for the most part despite the trafficking angle.
According to the published affidavit, "Members of law enforcement have participated in the below described investigation since at least summer of 2020. The affidavit also mentions that BTT has started its operations in July of 2020. Thus the investigation has begun essentially immediately when the agency was opened. With the extreme verification procedures, doesn't it look like the entrapment setup?BTT existed before 2020. I was verified with them going back to 2018, and they existed before that.
Secret Zebra1
11-10-23, 11:49
Anybody else experience a religious conversion in the last couple of days. Perhaps a renewed spiritual connection with the Lord.
Anybody know if the government shutdown looming on the horizon will impact the investigation. Asking for a friend.
Anybody up for doing a meetup if the client list is released. I want to meet my Eskimo brothers.
ClaraForever
11-10-23, 13:04
No one just leaves North Korea so if that was happening its a completely different situation. Every Korean AMP girl I ever met was from the south. I very often strike up a conversation with them after where they are from, whether they are local or from flushing. There may be a very different level between the apartment brothels and store front parlors. I only know the store fronts.Can you distinguish s Korean accent from and Korean accent?
I guess even you would believe fake Japanese prostitutes say they are Japanese (who are paid more than Chinese cause there is desperate demanding on Japanese women in Hawaii) in Hawaii.
As most foreigners can not distinguish your American English from Australian or British, you can not I guess.
DarkClouds
11-10-23, 13:31
Did they actually allow photo shoots or was that purely a rouse?
Also, do you think the money actually went to the 3 who were charged? I'm guessing the money (and documents) left the US and will never be recovered and the 3 who were arrested were just decoys (I'm imaging they grabbed 3 criminals on death row and offered them this job -- why would they refuse?
Hakuran169
11-10-23, 15:23
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/boston-brothel-mass-sex-trafficking/3186274/
Of note.
"But who those sex buyers were remained a mystery on Thursday. Federal authorities were mum on the subject at the news conference, saying that any arrests for the purchase of sex would happen at the state level the three people charged this week are accused of violating federal sex trafficking law."
Basically they are shifting the blame for the lack of any action to the state, they know MA can't do anything unless they catch people in the act.In your opinion, do you think this was the reason we didn't see much action from the other busts in the state? Not sure if it would fall into the same boat since the feds are involved but handled at the state level.
Hello Boston brothers,
Just wanted to post a rolling stone article. With a former federal prosecutors take on the underlying reasons behind it. Noteworthy that he explicitly says the amount of resources devoted to SW that was not involuntary caught my eye as well as what he believes. I don't think the owners / management would be dumb enough to try and extort powerful clients but I do have could believe that some of these really high level people mentioned repeatedly are feared to be vulnerable to being compromised etc.
www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/amp/
Stay safe.My guess is this will turn into a political weapon, since the department on the left hand of the powers in charge must have some big people on the other side they want to take out. Maybe revenge for Eric Swallow OR figure our how to charge trump. LOL.
Hakuran169
11-10-23, 17:40
Is there any insight on weather clients can be charged / have been charged in the past for busts like this. Does anyone think any mongers here would get hit if they have texts but not ID's?
My guess is this will turn into a political weapon, since the department on the left hand of the powers in charge must have some big people on the other side they want to take out. Maybe revenge for Eric Swallow OR figure our how to charge trump. LOL.As the saying goes, no person is above the law--Eliot Spitzer's party affiliation didn't help him when he was charged, and the special agent in charge of this investigation also happens to be a registered Republican.
Guillaume123
11-10-23, 19:00
This bust is another proof that you should not give your personal info during screening. Glad I never went to any of these agencies that ask for so much info. Not the first time an agency or escort is busted and the clients info ends up with the cops.
Good news is that there is so many clients that most won't be charged though the cops could go demon mode and publicly release all the info which would be punishment enough.
Is there any insight on weather clients can be charged / have been charged in the past for busts like this. Does anyone think any mongers here would get hit if they have texts but not ID's?Don't worry that much, man. You will be fine. Your boss is probably on the list too!
And to think just a few hours drive north paying a beautiful girl for sex is perfectly legal….#ocanada #mapleleafs
This bust is another proof that you should not give your personal info during screening. Glad I never went to any of these agencies that ask for so much info. Not the first time an agency or escort is busted and the clients info ends up with the cops.
Good news is that there is so many clients that most won't be charged though the cops could go demon mode and publicly release all the info which would be punishment enough.Some folks use fake names and such and could really hurt if they blindly dismissed the info without ensuring every single name is credible. That could result in slander lawsuits for sure. If you're not being charged, they won't release any info at all. And as others have said, if you're not caught in the act, they can't really do a whole lot.
I don’t even think the phone numbers and texts are enough. Unless they had a wire tap to their number which aren’t all encompassing. Truth is, deny deny deny. If anyone ever approaches you, deny. Even if they have your picture, deny. Even if they have you explicitly saying things, deny.
If you’re a Joe Schmoe, they won’t care. They already bagged the ring leaders. The site is down. They will probably handle some high profile guys if they want to set precedence and make an example. But to throw all info to the wind and just shame folks? No. Too messy. Doesn’t solve anything. Too much liability. Just ruining families for the sake of ruining families.
No one just leaves North Korea so if that was happening its a completely different situation. Every Korean AMP girl I ever met was from the south. I very often strike up a conversation with them after where they are from, whether they are local or from flushing. There may be a very different level between the apartment brothels and store front parlors. I only know the store fronts.
I don't know man. One of the most popular providers of BTT used to tell me that BTT began hiring North Koreans after she left them. In fact one of the reasons she left them was because they would bring North Korean girls that would do anything. I mean that's what she told me and who am I to doubt her? Now the FEDs are saying that it's not only prostitution ring but a Chinese espionage ring and FEDs never embellish things as far as I know.
Can't tell if that last statement is supposed to be sarcastic, would you take the special agent's word based on his knowledge and expertise on M. Butterfly whorecraft? Changing the subject, if you do the math and say as many as 6 providers were servicing 10 johns a day over the course of nearly 3 years, day in day out, and that the surveillance apparently started from the agency's inception, that's a lot of moolah they allowed to be built up in order to seize (more than just used Corvette money). Like the Bellevue bust, that's really what it comes down to, puritanical proselytizing aside. I just wonder if they also shook the providers down like in WA, the affidavit makes them sound like afterthoughts for the most part despite the trafficking angle.I can't believe that some people are taking the shit I say about North Korea seriously but I swear to God that my story about one of the, if not 'the', most popular former BTT providers trying to convince me to stop going to BTT because they began hiring North Koreans who all infected with jaundice are truth and nothing but the truth. I'm sure many could guess who I'm talking about too. LOL.
Guillaume123
11-11-23, 09:14
Some folks use fake names and such and could really hurt if they blindly dismissed the info without ensuring every single name is credible. That could result in slander lawsuits for sure. If you're not being charged, they won't release any info at all. And as others have said, if you're not caught in the act, they can't really do a whole lot.
I dont even think the phone numbers and texts are enough. Unless they had a wire tap to their number which arent all encompassing. Truth is, deny deny deny. If anyone ever approaches you, deny. Even if they have your picture, deny. Even if they have you explicitly saying things, deny.
If youre a Joe Schmoe, they wont care. They already bagged the ring leaders. The site is down. They will probably handle some high profile guys if they want to set precedence and make an example. But to throw all info to the wind and just shame folks? No. Too messy. Doesnt solve anything. Too much liability. Just ruining families for the sake of ruining families.Except the article by NBC show they have interviewed dozens of mongers from this bust and are interviewing more and gathering evidence. This is not just some high profile guys.
I guess they could release the client list but I've talked with other mp girls and have been told some men, especially older, don't have sex. They pay for a massage a little intimacy but no sex. How can someone be charged if the sex act can't be proven? Releasing client list without charges shames but is it legal?
"But to throw all info to the wind and just shame folks? No. Too messy. Doesn't solve anything. Too much liability. Just ruining families for the sake of ruining families. " They think by shaming the customer the crime of sex slavery will be curtailed. They think having sex with slaves should have consequences.
A bunch of guys are asking to get their accounts deleted because of this. It's fucking stupid, after 20 years and 8 million posts not a single one has ever been used in anyway legally. Not for arrests, warrants, subpoena, nothing because when they ask us to authentic you guys (they don't even ask anymore) we only have one answer "how the fuck do we know." If we can't authenticate you that's it game over, look it up and then chill the fuck out.
A2
In your opinion, do you think this was the reason we didn't see much action from the other busts in the state? Not sure if it would fall into the same boat since the feds are involved but handled at the state level.Feds got what they wanted. Wire Fraud, Money Laundering from those three.
Soliciting in MA is Misdemeanor and $500-$1000 fine. They don't arrest you and throw you in jail for it. Even guys caught up in stings get detained and then released and then get a summons to the district court to answer to a Magistrate.
Despite what other fear mongers will say to get you riled up, a name on a list or a text message is circumstantial and flimsy and not enough to go after you. If you truly believe that it is. Go speak to a criminal defense lawyer. Many of them offer free consultations and they will tell you this. Don't voluntarily talk to law enforcement without a lawyer. The mongers they identified are the ones they caught leaving the apartments. They aren't going down a list calling people and asking them if they solicited for sex.
SaintPolycarp
11-11-23, 12:18
I am saying this utilizing my God-given rights under the US Constitution, specifically my inviolable freedom of speech / conscience / movement / expression. First, I personally didn't like Han Lee, et al (BTT group) due to their abusive manner of treating some of the girls that I've met from VA & NY. My basic attitude toward their arrest is "fuck them!" Yet still, HSI & MA LEAs recent investigation and the stupid local medias' recent reports are more abusive, they are very abusive and discriminatory! Just go to Erosdotcom or OnlyF or Trystdotlink. There are hundreds of White, Black, Brown, Russian (Chinese (Latina, Middle Eastern, Ukrainian, other European, Eurasian girls currently available in the fucking Commonwealth of Massachusetts! Why only the K-orgs were targeted? They aren't the largest sex trafficking ring, and there isn't a single witness of actual victim! New media is using some black sex trafficking survivor's story from decades ago for this situation, such an absurd anachronism! I believe this is truly fucking racism, a cultural discrimination, and the lack of understanding of the problem of intersectionality. I have no problem with shutting down BTT or the other orgs, fuck them all! Good job! However, if HSI & MA LEAs don't do anything about the other bigger & high-end commercial sex act agencies & providers in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, they are nothing but a bunch of vicious bigots! They only made the low quality local MILFs & their pimps happy!
Sorry, I'm not understanding how BTT or any similar agency could be "spying" or getting their hands on government secrets.It would be more like the following scenario. "Mr. Congressman, we have surveillance of you with one of our girls. Here is what you can do for us so it does not get sent to TMZ".
DarkClouds
11-11-23, 14:26
"Prosecutors love to go after high-level folks because they can make a name for themselves," Mr. Rahmani said.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/
Mark Powers
11-11-23, 15:13
Feds got what they wanted. Wire Fraud, Money Laundering from those three.
Soliciting in MA is Misdemeanor and $500-$1000 fine. They don't arrest you and throw you in jail for it. Even guys caught up in stings get detained and then released and then get a summons to the district court to answer to a Magistrate.
Despite what other fear mongers will say to get you riled up, a name on a list or a text message is circumstantial and flimsy and not enough to go after you. If you truly believe that it is. Go speak to a criminal defense lawyer. Many of them offer free consultations and they will tell you this. Don't voluntarily talk to law enforcement without a lawyer. The mongers they identified are the ones they caught leaving the apartments. They aren't going down a list calling people and asking them if they solicited for sex.Not so sure about the no jail part. Here's what I found. Is there a source for it being just a fine?
(b) Whoever pays, agrees to pay or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 2 and one-half years or by a fine of not less than $1,000 and not more than $5,000, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/Section53A
Mattis1775
11-11-23, 15:23
"Prosecutors love to go after high-level folks because they can make a name for themselves," Mr. Rahmani said.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/That's old school politics my friend. Trump is saying that right now about the the and the judge in his BS case in NY.
SmileyRocks2
11-11-23, 16:12
It would be more like the following scenario. "Mr. Congressman, we have surveillance of you with one of our girls. Here is what you can do for us so it does not get sent to TMZ".Blackmailing a public official is an assault on society as a whole and should be SEVERELY punished.
SmileyRocks2
11-11-23, 16:26
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You are not helping, the way you stop talking about something is to simply stop, not tell people to stop, that makes them talk more.
A2
https://www.scribd.com/document/683434385/High-End-Brothel-Motion-11-8-23#from_embed.
https://www.scribd.com/document/683223927/Usa-v-Han-Lee-Et-Al-Complaint-Affidavit-Redacted
Mattis1775
11-11-23, 19:05
https://www.scribd.com/document/683223927/Usa-v-Han-Lee-Et-Al-Complaint-Affidavit-RedactedThis Special Agent should investigate the most popular woman from BTT, Shu and they'll be surprised by how much cash she made from this business.
https://www.scribd.com/document/683434385/High-End-Brothel-Motion-11-8-23#from_embed.It is always about the money.
Guys, just stop with this.
The Feds care about two things: the money trail and the interstate "trafficking" of the girls. I put that in quotes because its BS but when the girls cross state lines it triggers Feds. Same thing with BAD and their Atlanta branch. I have never heard of a single monger getting harassed EVER and I go all the way back to the beginning of Boston K Girls.
Nah. This time they're definitely going after all of us. No escape. I just talked to one of the investigators and she says they're out there to make a point. If I'd be you I'd get in the plane ASAP and go to Brazil (no extradition treaty with the US), and honker down there until all calms down. Chicken came home to roost. It's over gents. We're all doomed.
Hakuran169
11-11-23, 22:51
"Prosecutors love to go after high-level folks because they can make a name for themselves," Mr. Rahmani said.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/How high level do you guys think they'd go? I'd say government officials and business execs, not any of us plebs here.
Bostoniannnnn
11-11-23, 23:42
Nah. This time they're definitely going after all of us. No escape. I just talked to one of the investigators and she says they're out there to make a point. If I'd be you I'd get in the plane ASAP and go to Brazil (no extradition treaty with the US), and honker down there until all calms down. Chicken came home to roost. It's over gents. We're all doomed.Are you referring to the Mass office, or elsewhere? The agency must have like at least hundreds of clients do they just track down the entire list?
Does it matter if you've got no previous record and only visited them once several months ago? Can they even find sufficient evidence against you?
Jciraiz0988
11-12-23, 00:17
Nah. This time they're definitely going after all of us. No escape. I just talked to one of the investigators and she says they're out there to make a point. If I'd be you I'd get in the plane ASAP and go to Brazil (no extradition treaty with the US), and honker down there until all calms down. Chicken came home to roost. It's over gents. We're all doomed.Are you serious and am super scared.
Jesus Christ engage your fucking brain.
Go to Brazil? Over a fucking misdemeanor.
Nrimus do you fucking understand why I'm going to ban you if you do it again.
A2
Nah. This time they're definitely going after all of us. No escape. I just talked to one of the investigators and she says they're out there to make a point. If I'd be you I'd get in the plane ASAP and go to Brazil (no extradition treaty with the US), and honker down there until all calms down. Chicken came home to roost. It's over gents. We're all doomed.What do you mean you talked to one of the investigators? Federal or local? Are you not talking to your lawyer first?
SaintPolycarp
11-12-23, 01:37
In Boston, Eros.com has over 120 high-end prostitutes available right at this moment and over 80 with Tryst! These high-end bitches have the real list of the most powerful Dems & GOPs together! However these MTF Feds don't persue these bitches, fucking bigots! Let us watch how this circus show will be ended!
"Prosecutors love to go after high-level folks because they can make a name for themselves," Mr. Rahmani said.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/
What do you mean you talked to one of the investigators? Federal or local? Are you not talking to your lawyer first?Wow you already talk with investigator!! You was on the list! LOL.
Nah. This time they're definitely going after all of us. No escape. I just talked to one of the investigators and she says they're out there to make a point. If I'd be you I'd get in the plane ASAP and go to Brazil (no extradition treaty with the US), and honker down there until all calms down. Chicken came home to roost. It's over gents. We're all doomed.Wow you was on the list! You already talk with investigator before discuss with your laywer.
What do you mean you talked to one of the investigators? Federal or local? Are you not talking to your lawyer first?Dude, he is joking. Relax.
What do you mean you talked to one of the investigators? Federal or local? Are you not talking to your lawyer first?He's more than likely lying.
What do you mean you talked to one of the investigators? Federal or local? Are you not talking to your lawyer first?
He's more than likely lying.Yes, I'm lying.
PewPewPewPew
11-12-23, 06:36
What happened to xoc? I wasnt in the club with them but seem to be the same case?They were shut down in June.
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/crime/2023/06/12/york-county-women-charged-in-prostitution-ring-money-laundering-us-attorneys-office/70305430007/
https://www.masslive.com/news/2018/03/prostitution_ring_that_had_bro.html
It looks like exactly the same case.
Do you know what happened to this client?
Feds got what they wanted. Wire Fraud, Money Laundering from those three.
Soliciting in MA is Misdemeanor and $500-$1000 fine. They don't arrest you and throw you in jail for it. Even guys caught up in stings get detained and then released and then get a summons to the district court to answer to a Magistrate.
Despite what other fear mongers will say to get you riled up, a name on a list or a text message is circumstantial and flimsy and not enough to go after you. If you truly believe that it is. Go speak to a criminal defense lawyer. Many of them offer free consultations and they will tell you this. Don't voluntarily talk to law enforcement without a lawyer. The mongers they identified are the ones they caught leaving the apartments. They aren't going down a list calling people and asking them if they solicited for sex.I agree but I feel it's a different time. The left and the media are demanding names. You do know Heidi Fleiss client list was released. Whenever it was published, there was a disclaimer saying because these men were in her client folder does not mean they committed a crime. I can see that happening here. The media are calling these women "sex slaves" . The globe said they were locked in their apartments by their handlers. Prosecution of clients is not their goal. Public shaming is.
IronClad999
11-12-23, 10:01
A bunch of guys are asking to get their accounts deleted because of this. It's fucking stupid, after 20 years and 8 million posts not a single one has ever been used in anyway legally. Not for arrests, warrants, subpoena, nothing because when they ask us to authentic you guys (they don't even ask anymore) we only have one answer "how the fuck do we know." If we can't authenticate you that's it game over, look it up and then chill the fuck out.
A2That is very accurate and on point A2; as long as they practice "silent" game, its common sense that they can't be penalized unless they offered to expose themselves out. Many are fretting / panicking over stuff that didn't even happen yet.
IronClad999
11-12-23, 10:02
He's more than likely lying.Not sure why but that long post sounds more like a satire than an alert LOL.
IronClad999
11-12-23, 10:03
It is always about the money.This is as close as it can pin point; its profit for the motivations to happen. They won't go out of their ways without warrants or anything worth their time esp on top of inflation.
IronClad999
11-12-23, 10:06
I guess they could release the client list but I've talked with other mp girls and have been told some men, especially older, don't have sex. They pay for a massage a little intimacy but no sex. How can someone be charged if the sex act can't be proven? Releasing client list without charges shames but is it legal?Sometimes certain guys got talked out by LE's cas they can resort to trickerys like claiming they can obtain records from the shop to expose the guys but that's just another tactic scheme to lure us to talk more. Even if they got records of us walking in and out; that doesn't mean jack sht unless it was caught red-handed; they need something much more solid concrete than just a films.
Nah. This time they're definitely going after all of us. No escape. I just talked to one of the investigators and she says they're out there to make a point. If I'd be you I'd get in the plane ASAP and go to Brazil (no extradition treaty with the US), and honker down there until all calms down. Chicken came home to roost. It's over gents. We're all doomed.Half the people don't realize you're making a joke and they are now asking me in fucking droves to delete their fucking accounts.
I wish some of you motherfuckers would think before you do shit like this and make my life harder.
Don't ever pour gas on a fire like this again or we part company, it may amuse you but it pisses me the fuck off. I don't come to the McDonalds you're flipping burgers at and make your job harder.
For the rest of you idiots do you see the part where he said "go to Brazil" it's a fucking joke.
A2
Half the people don't realize you're making a joke and they are now asking me in fucking droves to delete their fucking accounts.
I wish some of you motherfuckers would think before you do shit like this and make my life harder.
Don't ever pour gas on a fire like this again or we part company, it may amuse you but it pisses me the fuck off. I don't come to the McDonalds you're flipping burgers at and make your job harder.
For the rest of you idiots do you see the part where he said "go to Brazil" it's a fucking joke.
A2Nr, I did see the "joke" implied in your posting, but not instantly. The times do call for levity and chill, but you kinda squirted gas on the fire. Not helpful, as you probably intended. A2's response, more entertaining. Sorry.
IronClad999
11-12-23, 11:33
Nr, I did see the "joke" implied in your posting, but not instantly. The times do call for levity and chill, but you kinda squirted gas on the fire. Not helpful, as you probably intended. A2's response, more entertaining. Sorry.Very much agreed on same page here, its not the first time for so called certain "seniors" to slip off and joke like this and most peeps went along with their ideas without using common critical thinkings. A2 is very supportive and efficient in pointing this out and calming any unnecessary storms that's a laughing stock.
Are you serious and am super scared.
Jesus Christ engage your fucking brain.
Go to Brazil? Over a fucking misdemeanor.
Nrimus do you fucking understand why I'm going to ban you if you do it again.
A2Yes, I sure understand and I seriously didn't expect this. Do you think it's something post-pandemic or just a natural state of things?
BluJohnson
11-12-23, 12:14
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MosesBlackk
11-12-23, 12:40
This bust is another proof that you should not give your personal info during screening. Glad I never went to any of these agencies that ask for so much info. Not the first time an agency or escort is busted and the clients info ends up with the cops.
Good news is that there is so many clients that most won't be charged though the cops could go demon mode and publicly release all the info which would be punishment enough.Why why why would you give any hooker or agency you're real information? There are plenty of girls who will fuck you not caring who you are. For all these 'high level' people in this bust like politicians doctors and executives, they sure lack any sort of common sense.
Why why why would you give any hooker or agency you're real information? There are plenty of girls who will fuck you not caring who you are. For all these 'high level' people in this bust like politicians doctors and executives, they sure lack any sort of common sense.Generalizing here. Elite, high earning professionals aren't mongerers like most of us. No way they venture into Fburg to some den. Naiveté leads them to believe that there is credibility, legitimacy, protection for them in furnishing this info. They won't do the groundwork for searches, not enough hrs in the day. Also, there is a sense of impunity, immunity among the elite. Bad things happen to other people. Could apply to good looking people, too. What do I know!
Yes, I sure understand and I seriously didn't expect this. Do you think it's something post-pandemic or just a natural state of things?Nr, don't beat yourself up. It's just a highly sensitive climate now. Others have done the same, they just couched their commentary differently. And created more work for Admin.
KalvinHobbs
11-12-23, 15:40
Why why why would you give any hooker or agency you're real information? There are plenty of girls who will fuck you not caring who you are. For all these 'high level' people in this bust like politicians doctors and executives, they sure lack any sort of common sense.Probably for most people, its for the better experience. Korg seems to have a good reputation for being more service oriented compared to the corgs and other free lancers. At least that's how it is in west coast. Read a lot of the recent posts here and there's been bust in the past and nothing came of it, for clients. As for the 'high level' people, yea idiots, with their profession I wouldn't have dive into the korg world.
Generalizing here. Elite, high earning professionals aren't mongerers like most of us. No way they venture into Fburg to some den. Naivet leads them to believe that there is credibility, legitimacy, protection for them in furnishing this info. They won't do the groundwork for searches, not enough hrs in the day. Also, there is a sense of impunity, immunity among the elite. Bad things happen to other people. Could apply to good looking people, too. What do I know!This is so true. The high end guys like that don't get that going to Fitchburg and banging Kathy bareback in the ass is safer than giving their drivers license and LinkedIn account is far more dangerous.
MosesBlackk
11-12-23, 16:06
Generalizing here. Elite, high earning professionals aren't mongerers like most of us. No way they venture into Fburg to some den. Naivet leads them to believe that there is credibility, legitimacy, protection for them in furnishing this info. They won't do the groundwork for searches, not enough hrs in the day. Also, there is a sense of impunity, immunity among the elite. Bad things happen to other people. Could apply to good looking people, too. What do I know!Good take. They are used to working in a system where things are verified. If you give them the illusion of that they'll just fall for it hook, like, and sinker. Kind of like how some of the easiest people to con are these guys, but try conning guys who grew up in the hood. The impunity take is also correct, because of their powerful positions they think they are able to get away with anything.
People: we always take chances here, always, the world over. We could get robbed, drugged, even murdered anywhere we go but here in the ol'gud' US of A we could also get arrested and have your identity splashed all over the internet. You can get busted while picking up on the street or doing a car date even at your utmost secret spot (chances are cops know her wherever they approach you), or while walking in or being with an escort whether in the hotel room or at her private hosting location, probably even if you host yourself, especially if you host in the hotel.
So the idea that people would take my rant seriously, about me talking to the investigators and you needing to get yourself to Brazil (maybe I should've said Mars for better clarity?) never entered my mind. Sorry I overestimated my power for projecting facetiousness.
One thing however that diminishes risk for all of us, hobbyists, is this forum. Here we exchange information, whether out in the open or via DM, so at least we usually don't go in completely blind. Here we could research the poster to size up his trustworthiness. TER is much more iffy in this regard ime, because on TER you could research the reviews but it's much harder to size up posters. I forgot how many times I've been offered rewards for good TER reviews by both indies and agencies. Never took them up on it but I'm sure that there are plenty of those that did.
It's much harder to do it here because posters mostly open up not when they write reviews but when they're involved in more casual conversations, like what I am doing now. I don't think I'd embellish when I'd claim that I know more about this than 99.9% of people that post here (on TER). The old timers might remember me practically becoming a gate keeper for Marie (currently retired) and what it would take for anyone to get their hands on her contact info? Oh yea, it was involved. The only iffy situations I got myself into from time to time when deciding yey or nay on sharing her phone# was few times I did it on TER. Never here.
So if you're not intelligent enough to understand that leaving this site due to another Fed's bust of some Asian escort service would only increase your risk. You'd be really taking your safety into your own hands. It wouldn't be very smart of you. Eff A2 and his nagging and threatening but my advice. Don't do it!
This is so true. The high end guys like that don't get that going to Fitchburg and banging Kathy bareback in the ass is safer than giving their drivers license and LinkedIn account is far more dangerous.I hear thee, LB.
ThizzleHats
11-13-23, 09:27
Half the people don't realize you're making a joke and they are now asking me in fucking droves to delete their fucking accounts.
A2Trying to delete your USAG account is probably the most pointless thing you could do, especially at this point.
Really only thing you could do now is chuck your phone in the river. That probably has the most damning evidence on it.
I never visited BTT but I did text them, and I think I'll be getting a new phone and number, just in case. Cheap insurance.
XOC and BEG / BTT shared many similarities. Multiple girls on tour at multiple cities at the same time. Girls from eastern part of Europe vs eastern part of Asia. Good value for the consistent to impressive level of service and quality. Reliable to SOTA booking process. Some girls do multiple repeated tours and some do one or two tours and are never seen again. Some are university graduates and regional athletes. And to top it all, some girls are good enough to have worked as models or singers, and this is their best option to earn good money quickly. Never was there any hints that any of them are compelled into this line of work by "force, fraud or coercion," the essential elements of legal trafficking. May both XOC and BEG / BTT rest in peace.
KashkaiBoy
11-13-23, 10:21
A couple of thoughts on BTT. I was never a client of BTT, you can look thru my prior posts for my reasons but TL / DR as with many others I wouldn't trust strangers with info that can be so damaging. As with prior busts, what comes out shows that they were careless with personal info and it was very easy for LE to get client lists etc. So the I'd requirement puts all the risk on the client with little advantage.
I feel for those who are reading the articles with anxiety, it must suck. I don't want to raise the level of worry unreasonably but the handling of this case seems to have a different tone from others. With earlier similar busts there was not so much discussion of the clients, such as the professions they come from and so on. In this one we can see a ramping up of LE and prosecutor talk about the need to make the clients share the pain. My guess is that they may be developing certain targeted cases as examples that they have gathered enough evidence for more charges than have been announced. It could be that they have cooperation from a provider, or even more than one. What we know is that the feds' takedown was more sophisticated than usual. They could have brought charges much earlier and with much less evidence than they seem to have gathered here. The question that seems hard to answer is why they didn't close it down right away? They were monitoring the apartments for a full year. What was that for? It's a lot of resources to throw at a single prostitution operation.
So yeah, no reason to flee to Brazil perhaps, but I think if you feel exposed and if there is even a chance that you could be the kind of client that could be targeted, maybe get a lawyer ready. Some of the reports talk about a monthly membership set-up. I'm no expert but again if you were more than an occasional client you'll have to expect that the feds were tracking your use of BTT services and that might expose you legally. At least you might be worried that a reporter or activist manages to get a leaked copy of client names or phone numbers etc. It wouldn't be the first time.
I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but I think that just saying it will go away and to deny deny, etc. , isn't the best advice now. I'd take reasonable measures to be protected in case of either a leak or in case of further charges against clients.
FWIW, events like this should steer us all away from these bigger multistate networks. I agree that "trafficking" is not really a good explanation of how they work, but at the end of the day they are overseeing women working in pretty exploitative conditions and raking in millions. I'd think we all might want to spend our hard earned dollars elsewhere, on indies in particular.
A couple of thoughts on BTT. I was never a client of BTT, you can look thru my prior posts for my reasons but TL / DR as with many others I wouldn't trust strangers with info that can be so damaging. As with prior busts, what comes out shows that they were careless with personal info and it was very easy for LE to get client lists etc. So the I'd requirement puts all the risk on the client with little advantage.
I feel for those who are reading the articles with anxiety, it must suck. I don't want to raise the level of worry unreasonably but the handling of this case seems to have a different tone from others. With earlier similar busts there was not so much discussion of the clients, such as the professions they come from and so on. In this one we can see a ramping up of LE and prosecutor talk about the need to make the clients share the pain. My guess is that they may be developing certain targeted cases as examples that they have gathered enough evidence for more charges than have been announced. It could be that they have cooperation from a provider, or even more than one. What we know is that the feds' takedown was more sophisticated than usual. They could have brought charges much earlier and with much less evidence than they seem to have gathered here. The question that seems hard to answer is why they didn't close it down right away? They were monitoring the apartments for a full year. What was that for? It's a lot of resources to throw at a single prostitution operation..There is ALWAYS theatrics involved in cases like this. They always throw 'TRAFFICKING' into the headlines because it's sexy and gets attention. If you follow every case such as this, it goes away quietly. The US Attorney is part politician. Remember that.
For what it's worth there have been only 13 charges of solicitation in Middlesex County since 2018 to June of this year (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/10/metro/brothel-bust-massachusetts-legal-system/?p1=StaffPage).
I'm not saying there isn't an inherent risk to doing something like this. I'm just saying based on current Federal and State law and knowing how the system operates. It's still on the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did this and that is incredibly difficult when all you have is a name on a list and a text (both things which can be easily faked). As show by the fact that one of the people got leases with fake ID's and bank statements.
They went out of their way to name professions without naming people because they still need to prove that people did these things, there's no slander in naming a profession.
I'll tell you a hypothetical story and draw whatever conclusions you will. Back in the BAD days, someone was stopped after leaving the apartment. Cops did their routine of 'We know more than we think we do' routine of trying to get a person to talk. Person STFU and said nothing, later they were called to come down to the station for to answer questions. Said person declined and said 'talk to my lawyer' then proceeded to get subpoenaed to testify in front of a grand jury. Lawyer did their job and said, unless my client gets a deal they are going to plead the 5th. AUSA then withdrew the subpoena because it was a waste of time.
Nothing happened to this person. BAD got busted, same MO and same headlines you are seeing now.
There is no federal provision that prosecutes state level offenses such as this. Even if you read of novel untested methods in news articles that sensationalize this, there is no precedent. It's still a state level action and at best if you have shitty luck a MISDEMENOR which rarely gets prosecuted.
But if you feel like you have exposure, consult with a criminal defense attorney, the majority of them offer free consultations.
MosesBlackk
11-13-23, 10:59
Reply to the poster below who wrote a great post. First, I also was never of a member of these agencies and would steer clear of any sort of operation or provider who asked for verification and personal information. It's just bad policy to give this information and leave a digital footprint behind, since it can easily fall into the wrong hands. I agree with Kashkai that at least some client information will be leaked. Most likely from political pressure from activists. I personally find real human trafficking abhorrent (the real kind, not where the government slaps that label on it to have charges stick) Of course if a provider is doing things through her own free will, I have no issues with that, I'm on this site after all.
Another red flag is when you have agencies that have almost 100% foreign women like Asians or Brazilians. These women have a higher chance of being legit trafficked because in most cases in their own countries nobody gives a shit. This in turn gives LE more resources and motivation to bust them. That's a reason I've also avoided the tons of Brazilian agencies operating in Massachusetts because I suspect some are being pimped or trafficked. In fact, I am almost near sure of it and it's a matter of time.
So for the guys with anxiety what do you do? First lawyer up ASAP. Regarding a data dump ala Robert Craft or Ashley Madison, the good news is in this fast paced internet world data becomes old quick. Most people do not go past the first page on a google search and after some time it will be forgotten and you can use services to boost your internet cred so to speak.
Again, I hope that they do not list any names, but they might. I think they will stick to the bigger targets or people the state has a grudge against. I don't know. The flip side of the coin is if some high ranking politician is on the list he may try to pull strings to stop its release. But overall, remember this too shall pass and in a 6 months, 1 year, or a few years nobody will even be thinking much of it anymore.
Lastly, the laws must be changed. If a women wants to do this to make extra money out of her own free will, she should have every right to do so.
TheGodsDecree
11-13-23, 11:14
But if the names of clients are released, for the regular johns, like us, this will basically destroy families, and leave many without jobs and without friends. And then people will forget and we will remain fucked for many years to come to find a new job and keep our lives going. Also, this will never stop. People will find new ways to keep buying sex. The women in this Korg were not there against their will, they needed money to survive. From what I can see, feds already got what they wanted -- the three mother fuckers involved in the ring not paying taxes and money laundering. While LE were looking at the trash for condoms full of cum, more important things were happening in the country like gun violence, real human trafficking, murders, political corruption, women possibly underage gangbanged online by 6 men on * etc.
The fate of the list is on the hands of MA and VA government, and the fucking press is not helping. They just want to expose names because it brings readers so that they profit from the bunch of advertisement on their poor shitty work as journalists. Nowadays the journalism is so shitty, that they have to rely on this shit to survive.
Finally, it's unbelievable how every time this happens people assume that all sex workers are victims. Do people really read books or resources about this fucking matter at all? And don't get me wrong, human trafficking exists and is real but it is also true some men and women work as sex workers because they want to work on that. So what? We are accepting people identifying however the fuck they want to, why can't we accept and respect those who work as sex workers? Fuck this shit.
Good luck to everyone, this is getting to my nerves, but we have to wait and possibly talk to criminal lawyers to understand how fucked is if your name appears in such a list.
CityboysUp
11-13-23, 12:28
FWIW, events like this should steer us all away from these bigger multistate networks. I agree that "trafficking" is not really a good explanation of how they work, but at the end of the day they are overseeing women working in pretty exploitative conditions and raking in millions. I'd think we all might want to spend our hard earned dollars elsewhere, on indies in particular.The problem is that it's hard to know which agencies are operated by one person across multiple state lines.
This case blew up as big as it did because:
1. The booker operated in multiple states which drew the attention of the Feds.
2. It sounds like some of the higher up clientele were extorted for more information. We don't know if this is necessarily true, it might just be a cover for why the Feds are involved.
3. The bookers were already on the radar because of the excessive amount of money they tried to launder.
4. The mongers they implicated were part of major public branches of government or part of the military.
The professions they listed in the affidavit are likely just the 20 people they got to give them information. They state that there are likely hundreds more customers that they don't know about which means they don't have the client list. Can they still get it? Yes. But is the list exposed? Not yet.
The mongers they have a case against gave up information voluntarily, likely under duress. Those people will probably get outed in one way or another even if they cooperate with the authorities because they have to be identified to testify. They screwed up, because even if they took plea bargains, if their names are made public, they will be identifiable by the public regardless of how reduced their charges may be. There's no reason to implicate yourself before you have sought out counsel.
The problem is that it's hard to know which agencies are operated by one person across multiple state lines.
This case blew up as big as it did because:
1. The booker operated in multiple states which drew the attention of the Feds.
2. It sounds like some of the higher up clientele were extorted for more information. We don't know if this is necessarily true, it might just be a cover for why the Feds are involved.
3. The bookers were already on the radar because of the excessive amount of money they tried to launder.
4. The mongers they implicated were part of major public branches of government or part of the military.
The professions they listed in the affidavit are likely just the 20 people they got to give them information. They state that there are likely hundreds more customers that they don't know about which means they don't have the client list. Can they still get it? Yes. But is the list exposed? Not yet.
The mongers they have a case against gave up information voluntarily, likely under duress. Those people will probably get outed in one way or another even if they cooperate with the authorities because they have to be identified to testify..How many places do we go to rotate girls. I think Angel who was on Beale st and the don't waist your time new own and a hand full of others actually live in the state. So many shop's even walking distance from a couple BTT girls have been around years if not decades. Something put BTT on the radar. BTW I only know of the walking distance after being told by others I never tried to contact them due to the I'd thing. Over the decades I had been to AMPs that did have cameras that were shut down and nothing came of it. Been in this long enough you see a crackdown, everyone laid low for a bit and then it's business as usual. The oldest profession is not ending soon.
The state / feds only name and shame when they press charges. Otherwise, you're just slandering someone without any proof. The media has always called for the client lists, that hasn't changed. There's a reason why the Fed's were cagey about sharing the names, it's because the state needs to be the one to level charges. The only exception would be the ones with Federal Security clearances. Those people fucked themselves on that one.
If someone blindly shared a list and a media outlet shared it, then the slander lawsuit would be a slam dunk.
The Heidi Fless list was because she shared it after she got out of jail. Not because the authorities shared it.
The Maine Zumba list was shared because they charged all the people on it.
They called for the lists when Chloe's Companions got busted. Never Happened.
They called for the lists when bad got busted. Never Happened.
Any lawyer worth their salt will say this to the prosecutor. Texts and ID's can be faked, Photos can be faked, LinkedIn profiles can be faked. What proof do you have that my client actually solicited sex?
There's a reason why they have to setup stings for prostitution. They need to catch a person in the act.
KashkaiBoy
11-13-23, 18:08
I hear what you're saying and generally I agree that overall the challenge prosecutors face to bring charges against johns is pretty high. What seems different here is that they were monitoring the organization for more than a full year. I can't imagine that they weren't able to gather the basic evidence to close it down and charge the local actors after a couple of weeks of gumshoe and getting search warrants for bank info and phone records. So what were they waiting for? Either they are trying to get more info higher up the chain (given that organizations like BTT are part of bigger Korean mafia syndicates that are based in Korea). Or maybe they have an interest to do what they keep saying that they want to do, which is build up some charges against johns, to be able to say that they are upping the ante on stopping trafficking etc. They are the ones that are hinting at this. But maybe you're right and it's just a lot of talk. I'm just saying that the profile of this bust seems different from BAD and others we have read about. But we'll just have to see.
The state / feds only name and shame when they press charges. Otherwise, you're just slandering someone without any proof. The media has always called for the client lists, that hasn't changed. There's a reason why the Fed's were cagey about sharing the names, it's because the state needs to be the one to level charges. The only exception would be the ones with Federal Security clearances. Those people fucked themselves on that one.
If someone blindly shared a list and a media outlet shared it, then the slander lawsuit would be a slam dunk.
The Heidi Fless list was because she shared it after she got out of jail. Not because the authorities shared it.
The Maine Zumba list was shared because they charged all the people on it.
They called for the lists when Chloe's Companions got busted. Never Happened.
They called for the lists when bad got busted. Never Happened.
Any lawyer worth their salt will say this to the prosecutor. Texts and ID's can be faked, Photos can be faked, LinkedIn profiles can be faked. What proof do you have that my client actually solicited sex?
There's a reason why they have to setup stings for prostitution. They need to catch a person in the act.
I hear what you're saying and generally I agree that overall the challenge prosecutors face to bring charges against johns is pretty high. What seems different here is that they were monitoring the organization for more than a full year. I can't imagine that they weren't able to gather the basic evidence to close it down and charge the local actors after a couple of weeks of gumshoe and getting search warrants for bank info and phone records. So what were they waiting for? Either they are trying to get more info higher up the chain (given that organizations like BTT are part of bigger Korean mafia syndicates that are based in Korea). Or maybe they have an interest to do what they keep saying that they want to do, which is build up some charges against johns, to be able to say that they are upping the ante on stopping trafficking etc. They are the ones that are hinting at this. But maybe you're right and it's just a lot of talk. I'm just saying that the profile of this bust seems different from BAD and others we have read about. But we'll just have to see.This is the Bad news article. Same MO from the Feds / State.
When the Feds pull the trigger, they don't want to miss which is why they take their time.
Nothing I say will change the anxiety level, I get it.
Damn, I'm on a business trip to DC and was just about to go to the Tyson's corner location. Happen to come across this bust, and came here to inform everyone about BTT, but seems like everyone knows already.
UnnaturalFox
11-14-23, 12:58
Did ma angels get busted too? Their site is gone.
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11-15-23, 10:46
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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.
This is not helpful and you are completely wrong. You should go and educate yourself on Canada Bill C-36.I use to travel to Montreal regularly for work and would have the agency girls to my room every night while I was there. If it wasn't legal one would never know. All you had to do was pick out the girls from a line up and call in the time. Best $180-200/ hr ever spent whenever I was there.
ThizzleHats
11-16-23, 01:03
Yo are fun. Based on your record, you also visited BTT several times.Incorrect. I was _close_ though. I tried to get in with references and considered faking some papers, but that was as close as I got.
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No bullshit, it's over, anybody who brings it up gets banned. If you ever receive a summons for anything call a fucking lawyer, nothing, ab so fucking lutly nothing you read here by one of these internet lawyers will help you. I've been doing this shit for years, they do all that shit to scare guys but nothing will happen.
I'm not bullshitting the next person who brings it up is gone.
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No bullshit, it's over, anybody who brings it up gets banned. If you ever receive a summons for anything call a fucking lawyer, nothing, ab so fucking lutly nothing you read here by one of these internet lawyers will help you. I've been doing this shit for years, they do all that shit to scare guys but nothing will happen.
I'm not bullshitting the next person who brings it up is gone.
A2Hallelujah!! Thank you!
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No bullshit, it's over, anybody who brings it up gets banned. If you ever receive a summons for anything call a fucking lawyer, nothing, ab so fucking lutly nothing you read here by one of these internet lawyers will help you. I've been doing this shit for years, they do all that shit to scare guys but nothing will happen.
I'm not bullshitting the next person who brings it up is gone.
A2As someone who went through this many years ago, I actually found the Denny Crane Wannabes' Posts entertaining. Since you now have made this Statement, is there really a need for this thread? Just asking! Seems like the only thing now allowed to Post, would be News updates on the case.
Thank you, I never knew that "Boston Top Ten" and "BTT" were the same thing. I thought this was something like the top ten places in Boston and it was being dominated by this theme.
Thank you, I will close the thread.
If any of you knuckleheads start this shit on another thread I will ban you. There will be no further warnings, bring it up get banned.
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