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So after my last post got deleted decided to make a separate space to get things off my chest away from any main threads. This thread is all the other random stuff or issues you just want to talk about that would otherwise get moderated. Am I good admin? Can I make a space to vent or for mongers to just shoot the shit about whatever is on their mind LOL?
I think this area needs adult theaters like the ones they have in Raleigh. It's a good place to come in and get the FS depending on the time and day and it's so much safer to walk back in the arcade and set something up in the back with any girls roaming around in the back.
JonnyRockett
05-05-21, 14:35
I contacted this provider. This is a BS post. Probably a fake account to drum up business.
She can be a lot of fun YMMV!
https://www.adbalt.com/c/gadsden/view/escorts/13415
RamboKnife
06-19-21, 19:52
I think this area needs adult theaters like the ones they have in Raleigh. It's a good place to come in and get the FS depending on the time and day and it's so much safer to walk back in the arcade and set something up in the back with any girls roaming around in the back.Hello Mate.
Address for theaters.
Thanks.
Hello Mate.
Address for theaters.
Thanks.Search the raleigh threads and you can find the information that you are looking for.
I think this area needs adult theaters like the ones they have in Raleigh. It's a good place to come in and get the FS depending on the time and day and it's so much safer to walk back in the arcade and set something up in the back with any girls roaming around in the back.I visited one a few times when I was stationed in San Diego. Got one of the lady's number and we went on a few dates. Cali was much more wide open than anything I've seen on the east coast though.
Man, where do I start? I think hobbying is at an all-time low. For one the quality sucks. And if it doesn't suck (looks wise) then they don't see black men. Or charge stupid rates for non-GFE services. Another pet peeve of mine is these ads with chicks looking like models that don't look anything like their pic in the ad. Another thing about pics, I understand their are pic collectors out there, but damn, would it hurt to send a damn pic to prove you are the girl in the pic in the ad? Most of us just don't want to be bait and switched. So many analogies can be applied to this game, but the bottom line is if a customer is willing to fork over a bill or two for your time then at the very least a verification pic can be sent! It's not like we are dealing with top tier girls here, most of us search on low level sites I. E STG. 2) These attitudes, too many have nasty attitudes, it's almost like the provider is paying the client to fuck them. On another note, where else can you make a bill or two for 15/30 minutes of work. If you can even call it work.
Rant completed.
Man, where do I start? I think hobbying is at an all-time low. For one the quality sucks. And if it doesn't suck (looks wise) then they don't see black men. Or charge stupid rates for non-GFE services. Another pet peeve of mine is these ads with chicks looking like models that don't look anything like their pic in the ad. Another thing about pics, I understand their are pic collectors out there, but damn, would it hurt to send a damn pic to prove you are the girl in the pic in the ad? Most of us just don't want to be bait and switched. So many analogies can be applied to this game, but the bottom line is if a customer is willing to fork over a bill or two for your time then at the very least a verification pic can be sent! It's not like we are dealing with top tier girls here, most of us search on low level sites I. E STG. 2) These attitudes, too many have nasty attitudes, it's almost like the provider is paying the client to fuck them. On another note, where else can you make a bill or two for 15/30 minutes of work. If you can even call it work.
Rant completed.Amen! I don't hobby very often anymore, but I will not book an appointment with a non-GFE lady! Unrestricted DFK is a requirement of mine. Also, not going to see a lady who is a part of the CBJ Mafia. And, probably not a thick lady. I took the jab. And, the truth is my significant other looks better than most of the providers. She is just more reserved. So, when I hobby, I'm paying for the uninhibited freak experience, not a list of I don't do that or a bunch of No's.
GolfBall1.
There seems to be a huge disconnect in the game today. I have to say it's half and half, half mongers screwing it up and half providers. Some of these prices I am seeing on PD and Tryst even for local talent is outrageous. Why would I pay 500 for a girl that doesn't have reviews? Who is paying these prices without researching? I just spoke with a girl on Snap, and she flat out said 500. Ok, cool, but what are you doing for that 500? Is is MSOG, GFE? Do you have reviews on the major boards? And I'm not talking USAG, I'm talking Eccie or TER. It's been said before, all this white knight crap needs to go away. Sending deposits, for what? To secure a meeting? This new flock of opportunists needs to go away. Recently I checked P411 and saw a chick change her prices 3 times within a week. All in all, stop accepting high ass rates for low quality service. Chicks out here charging 3 and 400 for non-GFE is a nogo. I used to see Camille in the 757, banging ass white girl, big fake tits, pretty face, nice ass and she was full GFE for 250/ hh and 400/ hr and her prices didn't change, stop accepting bullshit.
Amen! These fool charge so much because some idiots are paying it! Girls ask for deposits because idiots pay it. Scammers ask for deposits! Just because you found a real girl asking for deposits, does not mean it's acceptable. Just say no! Some girls are already learning this and following the rules so don't mess it up and send them mixed messages.
No girl is worth over 300 unless over an hour so don't over pay. They charge it because an idiot paid it and you allow her to ask, not because they are worth it. Most girls will take 150-200 for an hour so to see the bottom of the barrel ask for 250-400 is outrageous.
On the no reviews part, in defense it's the current don't **** shame me culture where some of these girls got a tase of only fans or come for sugar daddies so want to get tips. Girl that would never escort but because OF or Sugar sites make it cool, they see quick cash so justify escorting. Don't know how their broke brains work the logic but guys control the market. New girls bring in fresh faces and some quality but they need to be grounded in reality. No deposits and don't over pay out of excitement. New girls should ask for less because they need to prove themselves. Pretty doesn't equal skilled or professional.
Pull in top level girls all day at 300 so don't allow asking for more and don't let trash ask mid level girl prices. Trash should be 80-100, mid level girls should be 120-200, top girls should be 200-300. Guys set and control the market!
There seems to be a huge disconnect in the game today. I have to say it's half and half, half mongers screwing it up and half providers. Some of these prices I am seeing on PD and Tryst even for local talent is outrageous. Why would I pay 500 for a girl that doesn't have reviews? Who is paying these prices without researching? I just spoke with a girl on Snap, and she flat out said 500. Ok, cool, but what are you doing for that 500? Is is MSOG, GFE? Do you have reviews on the major boards? And I'm not talking USAG, I'm talking Eccie or TER. It's been said before, all this white knight crap needs to go away. Sending deposits, for what? To secure a meeting? This new flock of opportunists needs to go away. Recently I checked P411 and saw a chick change her prices 3 times within a week. All in all, stop accepting high ass rates for low quality service. Chicks out here charging 3 and 400 for non-GFE is a nogo. I used to see Camille in the 757, banging ass white girl, big fake tits, pretty face, nice ass and she was full GFE for 250/ hh and 400/ hr and her prices didn't change, stop accepting bullshit.
Versatilepg
09-22-21, 19:37
The mongers have to stop having such beta ass mindsets. I get paying for it. But don't gas these women's heads up the 400-600 girls ain't worth it even if GFE they better be doing something great and 10's. Dfk, everything. I wouldn't pay any female for CBJ. You can smash a 5 and 7 and even then she will say the taste of rubber is nasty on you. You need to just text and call these girls and speak truth if you not GFE don't charge over 200. A female get shutdown and told something enough she will either do GFE or start doing door dash and not ***** dash.
ScottsMan17
09-22-21, 21:33
The mongers have to stop having such beta ass mindsets. I get paying for it. But don't gas these women's heads up the 400-600 girls ain't worth it even if GFE they better be doing something great and 10's. Dfk, everything. I wouldn't pay any female for CBJ. You can smash a 5 and 7 and even then she will say the taste of rubber is nasty on you. You need to just text and call these girls and speak truth if you not GFE don't charge over 200. A female get shutdown and told something enough she will either do GFE or start doing door dash and not ***** dash.I have paid a grand for an hour with a very well known asian pornstar and it was worth every penny! Now she is famous and well known but she performed the nastiest dirtiest deeds all bare and I exceeded the hour by about an hour. Would I do it again? Hell no, was it worth it? Hell yes, once and once only. These local run of the mill girls aint worth more than 200 in 90% of the cases, I don't care if GFE, bareback or greek et are involved. I have yet to see even a so called "high end" girl from eros or pic a ho site that I would exceed 300 for but that's just me. I get plenty of ass for free but the excitement of seeing a working girl fills a void I need filled and occasionally you come across an absolute freak that is down for anything. BUT, mongers are going to pay what they want, we can all ban together and say stop overpaying but many monger with deep pockets don't give a shit about our opinions.
SwordKnight
09-23-21, 23:11
Man, where do I start? I think hobbying is at an all-time low.
Rant completed.Yeah. Other than AMPs, the last girl I even tried to see was Hailey, and that was almost a year ago. In France you could go to a website and sort by ethnicity and whether they spoke English and so forth, get accurate pics, menu, prices, and reviews, with something like 1700 ads in Paris. It wasn't entirely perfect--sometimes their idea of "Speaks English" didn't cover much and most of the ones who offered Greek had a change of heart when they saw what they'd have to work with--but in contrast to here, it was 800% better. Coming back was disheartening.
Yeah. Other than AMPs, the last girl I even tried to see was Hailey, and that was almost a year ago. In France you could go to a website and sort by ethnicity and whether they spoke English and so forth, get accurate pics, menu, prices, and reviews, with something like 1700 ads in Paris. It wasn't entirely perfect--sometimes their idea of "Speaks English" didn't cover much and most of the ones who offered Greek had a change of heart when they saw what they'd have to work with--but in contrast to here, it was 800% better. Coming back was disheartening.Ya, I agree pussy much easier, but that's all they got going for them, damn glad this isn't France, but we are heading in that direction faster than one thinks. You can't have your soufflé', and eat it to.
https://tryst.link/escort/rvamarci
Just perusing Tryst, you never know. Maybe you can luck up and find a hottie for a good deal. But this is a perfect illustration of the bullshit out there. Ok, she's a looker, I'll give her that, but as per these new providers out there, deposit required. No mention of menu items, so idk if she's GFE, but you can take her out to dinner for 300 for "get to know me" time. 800/ hr, 1 k /1. 5 hrs, and you can share a meal with her and get 1 hr for 1. 2 K. I get it, there are some lonely guys out here with deep pockets, but give me freaking break, these hookers out here are ridiculous.
Needless to say the game has become a crop of lazy ass women that try and manipulate the market with these dumb ass options. If it's not 90 min or two hour minimums, it's 1 hr at a ridiculous rate with no GFE and 1 pop.
https://tryst.link/escort/rvamarci
Just perusing Tryst, you never know. Maybe you can luck up and find a hottie for a good deal. But this is a perfect illustration of the bullshit out there. Ok, she's a looker, I'll give her that, but as per these new providers out there, deposit required. No mention of menu items, so idk if she's GFE, but you can take her out to dinner for 300 for "get to know me" time. 800/ hr, 1 k /1. 5 hrs, and you can share a meal with her and get 1 hr for 1. 2 K. I get it, there are some lonely guys out here with deep pockets, but give me freaking break, these hookers out here are ridiculous.
Needless to say the game has become a crop of lazy ass women that try and manipulate the market with these dumb ass options. If it's not 90 min or two hour minimums, it's 1 hr at a ridiculous rate with no GFE and 1 pop.Amen! I'm not sure if I'll be able to hobby much in our area moving forward? I won't see a chick that doesn't offer unrestricted DFK and BBBJ. Most of what tours our area either have fake boobs and / or big asses! Both of which I loathe! And, at the rates the ladies are charging now, I'm definitely going to hold out for old school Victoria Secret thin and hot one! Guess I'll have to make some more frequent trips to Charlotte, DC, Nashville, & Philly.
It's a sad state of affairs Gents!
GolfBall1.
Bluntzilla11
09-25-21, 23:38
https://tryst.link/escort/rvamarci
Just perusing Tryst, you never know. Maybe you can luck up and find a hottie for a good deal. But this is a perfect illustration of the bullshit out there. Ok, she's a looker, I'll give her that, but as per these new providers out there, deposit required. No mention of menu items, so idk if she's GFE, but you can take her out to dinner for 300 for "get to know me" time. 800/ hr, 1 k /1. 5 hrs, and you can share a meal with her and get 1 hr for 1. 2 K. I get it, there are some lonely guys out here with deep pockets, but give me freaking break, these hookers out here are ridiculous.
Needless to say the game has become a crop of lazy ass women that try and manipulate the market with these dumb ass options. If it's not 90 min or two hour minimums, it's 1 hr at a ridiculous rate with no GFE and 1 pop.Go on her Twitter feed and check out her pics. Hairy Armpits are a hard pass for me. I wouldn't pay more then a respectable 200/ hrs.
ScottsMan17
10-26-21, 11:03
A little rant about the state of mongering in the tidewater area:
WTF has happened? Ugly no talent girls are now asking DC metro prices, long time solid providers are gone, in jail or have joined the ranks of the GPS crew. Is it covid? Is it mongers with deep pockets paying ridiculous prices? Or is it just the times?
Pre-covid half the AMP's around here offered more than just a HJ at reasonable price, now a lot of the AMP's want FS $ for a HJ and the pleasure seeing there tits! The TA's have always mostly been "B" team girls with an occasional "A" team but we always had a variety and they changed every week or so, now we get the "D" team TA's and they stay for frickin months it seems like. Is it just not profitable for them? Is there not enough clientele in the area? I had a convo with a TA that is about the only solid one here anymore and she comes for 2-3 weeks then goes back to NYC for a week or 2. She said she sees average of 3 clients a day and has never seen more than 5. She is satisfied with the $ she makes and most of her clients are regulars. I asked if she could bring more girls and her response was that boss only send her because the other girls don't make enough $. Did some quick math and on average she is making 500 a day, she gets 50% and boss pays for room but she has to buy her own food and necessities. So, 250 a day is 1750 a week, assume "necessities" cost 300 now she down to 1450 a week tax free.
I remember a couple years ago I had a pretty solid rotation, seeing 2-3 girls a week. I would see whatever TA was here and always had a decent time (some better than others) I would see Aya once a week and back then she was pretty decent and always let me do whatever I wanted then I would hit a local AMP and usually get whatever I wanted. Now I go to DC to scratch my itch for asians, I still hit local AMP's but its a crap shoot and have not seen a TA in 2-3 months (Abigal is the exception).
Hope shit changes soon.
A little rant about the state of mongering in the tidewater area:
WTF has happened? Ugly no talent girls are now asking DC metro prices, long time solid providers are gone, in jail or have joined the ranks of the GPS crew. Is it covid? Is it mongers with deep pockets paying ridiculous prices? Or is it just the times?
Pre-covid half the AMP's around here offered more than just a HJ at reasonable price, now a lot of the AMP's want FS $ for a HJ and the pleasure seeing there tits! The TA's have always mostly been "B" team girls with an occasional "A" team but we always had a variety and they changed every week or so, now we get the "D" team TA's and they stay for frickin months it seems like. Is it just not profitable for them? Is there not enough clientele in the area? I had a convo with a TA that is about the only solid one here anymore and she comes for 2-3 weeks then goes back to NYC for a week or 2. She said she sees average of 3 clients a day and has never seen more than 5. She is satisfied with the $ she makes and most of her clients are regulars. I asked if she could bring more girls and her response was that boss only send her because the other girls don't make enough $. Did some quick math and on average she is making 500 a day, she gets 50% and boss pays for room but she has to buy her own food and necessities. So, 250 a day is 1750 a week, assume "necessities" cost 300 now she down to 1450 a week tax free.
I remember a couple years ago I had a pretty solid rotation, seeing 2-3 girls a week. I would see whatever TA was here and always had a decent time (some better than others) I would see Aya once a week and back then she was pretty decent and always let me do whatever I wanted then I would hit a local AMP and usually get whatever I wanted. Now I go to DC to scratch my itch for asians, I still hit local AMP's but its a crap shoot and have not seen a TA in 2-3 months (Abigal is the exception).
Hope shit changes soon.Not as much competition, so the ones playing the field can charge higher rates, I guess their thinking is take it or leave it and even if they get a few nibbles per day charging 3 to 400 then that's a come up. The area used to be flooded with talent, I am not too familiar with the AMP scene, but my ATF was always a good go to or back-up plan if touring girls hit the area. As far back as I have been mongering wisely I have always used the oThER site, but when that went down then came back a good portion of the providers delisted and have stayed that way, so it's tough to know what these scammers on STG, PD and even Tryst are about unless you TOFTT, which I don't do at their rates. BP was the go to, now there is a severe lack of competition, which raises the market, of course these idiots paying these prices that contribute too.
ScottsMan17
10-27-21, 09:08
Not as much competition, so the ones playing the field can charge higher rates, I guess their thinking is take it or leave it and even if they get a few nibbles per day charging 3 to 400 then that's a come up. The area used to be flooded with talent, I am not too familiar with the AMP scene, but my ATF was always a good go to or back-up plan if touring girls hit the area. As far back as I have been mongering wisely I have always used the oThER site, but when that went down then came back a good portion of the providers delisted and have stayed that way, so it's tough to know what these scammers on STG, PD and even Tryst are about unless you TOFTT, which I don't do at their rates. BP was the go to, now there is a severe lack of competition, which raises the market, of course these idiots paying these prices that contribute too.I agree, there are many contributing factors. For me money isn't an issue and I have nothing tying me down here, I travel often to golf and always try the local talents (AMP and escort) places comparable to tidewater (population et) have far more providers and fair pricing. I have paid the big bucks for famous or popular pornstars and only a couple I would say where worth the price tag. I will never TOFTT at these inflated prices especially when I know what they where at a fair price (malia may) If a girl was nothing special at 150 why would I even entertain 300?
250 for 30 minutes for flat, saggy tits? No thanks. This is why the market is jacked up.
30 for 250, really worth it?.
Some guys have chosen not to post reviews anymore. Maybe I should take their advice.
Good luck guys, be safe and as long as your satisfied with what you spend on a gal, you do you.
250 for 30 minutes for flat, saggy tits? No thanks. This is why the market is jacked up.
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So let's get this straight? Your favorite toy get criticized for overcharging and being less than perfection and that is somehow insulting to the point where you want to pack up all your toys and go home? Very childish, she is not your wife or your girl.
You're not being criticized beyond the possibility of just overpaying for moderate service so there is nothing to take offense by when others don't praise her as perfect like you do.
She is not bad but not worth her asking price to most(Don't toss, "You're just broke" insults). If your favorite toy is less than perfect be satisfied with that it makes you happy but don't get offended when other don't praise it. You can still make reviews without running away when people say you overpaid or there's better purchases than the option you chose.
Stop taking criticism personally, realize that facts like your overpaying, or she's not perfect are just as valid and she makes you happy and is top tier for you. Enjoy her don't get offended for her. Some people like apples and some people like oranges but don't get offended if I say peaches are better.
"You do you" or running away in silence is toxic and poisonous to the girls self worth and messes with the market. How about we say "do what you want and don't get offended when somebody doesn't like your choices or suggests better actions than the ones you're making". Inability to take criticism is the problem not the criticism.
B*tches do that logic shit... Girl messes up dishes and leaves water spots... Suggest better soap and she gets upset say, "fine you do the dishes next time". Take the criticism and know it's there to help you not shame you.
You pay a girl $5,000 and suddenly she thinks she's worth that and starts to charge that... I'm sure she realizes she over charges for the area and if you offered $200 she would take it while in town.
It could be up to for debate but something's only worth what somebody's willing to pay not what you're asking for anybody that's ever been on eBay knows that.
Some guys have chosen not to post reviews anymore. Maybe I should take their advice.
Good luck guys, be safe and as long as your satisfied with what you spend on a gal, you do you.
JonnyRockett
01-12-22, 18:41
Stop taking things so personal. Or stop being so judgmental. When did this all start? This site didn't used to be this way. I've seen guys on here, some included in this argument, post links to an ad of an old, ugly fat woman and write their review of recently banging her. But, no one makes comments about them banging old, ugly fat girls. No one. So why are we comparing a girl who could be on Eros to trailer trash? And, in some cases, I agree with the over paying some guys do destroying the market, but I don't think this is the case in this situation. I can easily see a woman of her beauty justifying the price she's asking. If guys want to pay that, then they're going to pay it. Stop crying about it.
Everyone just take a pill, a drink, a smoke. Whatever your choice is and chill the fuck out.
ScottsMan17
01-12-22, 18:43
Stop taking things so personal. Or stop being so judgmental. When did this all start? This site didn't used to be this way. I've seen guys on here, some included in this argument, post links to an ad of an old, ugly fat woman and write their review of recently banging her. But, no one makes comments about them banging old, ugly fat girls. No one. So why are we comparing a girl who could be on Eros to trailer trash? And, in some cases, I agree with the over paying some guys do destroying the market, but I don't think this is the case in this situation. I can easily see a woman of her beauty justifying the price she's asking. If guys want to pay that, then they're going to pay it. Stop crying about it.
Everyone just take a pill, a drink, a smoke. Whatever your choice is and chill the fuck out.To the mother! LOL this ain't FB.
SaltyDog2016
01-13-22, 00:19
So let's get this straight? Your favorite toy get criticized for overcharging and being less than perfection and that is somehow insulting to the point where you want to pack up all your toys and go home? Very childish, she is not your wife or your girl.
You're not being criticized beyond the possibility of just overpaying for moderate service so there is nothing to take offense by when others don't praise her as perfect like you do.
She is not bad but not worth her asking price to most(Don't toss, "You're just broke" insults). If your favorite toy is less than perfect be satisfied with that it makes you happy but don't get offended when other don't praise it. You can still make reviews without running away when people say you overpaid or there's better purchases than the option you chose.
Stop taking criticism personally, realize that facts like your overpaying, or she's not perfect are just as valid and she makes you happy and is top tier for you. Enjoy her don't get offended for her. Some people like apples and some people like oranges but don't get offended if I say peaches are better.
"You do you" or running away in silence is toxic and poisonous to the girls self worth and messes with the market. How about we say "do what you want and don't get offended when somebody doesn't like your choices or suggests better actions than the ones you're making". Inability to take criticism is the problem not the criticism.
B*tches do that logic shit... Girl messes up dishes and leaves water spots... Suggest better soap and she gets upset say, "fine you do the dishes next time". Take the criticism and know it's there to help you not shame you.
You pay a girl $5,000 and suddenly she thinks she's worth that and starts to charge that... I'm sure she realizes she over charges for the area and if you offered $200 she would take it while in town.
It could be up to for debate but something's only worth what somebody's willing to pay not what you're asking for anybody that's ever been on eBay knows that.This is some drama shit. Fellas, do what's good for you! Add this bs is one of the many reasons I don't post many reviews anymore. You don't get to decide what's good for someone else. You don't control spending habits of mongers. The value of a dollar is all relative to your definition of expensive. Mongers will pay based on their comfort level of spending, that's not your business. Complain all you want that it's fucking up the market, but that analogy is based on your opinion and your wallet size. JR is spot on- stop being so judgmental, do you.
Point well taken sir.
Stop taking things so personal. Or stop being so judgmental. When did this all start? This site didn't used to be this way. I've seen guys on here, some included in this argument, post links to an ad of an old, ugly fat woman and write their review of recently banging her. But, no one makes comments about them banging old, ugly fat girls. No one. So why are we comparing a girl who could be on Eros to trailer trash? And, in some cases, I agree with the over paying some guys do destroying the market, but I don't think this is the case in this situation. I can easily see a woman of her beauty justifying the price she's asking. If guys want to pay that, then they're going to pay it. Stop crying about it.
Everyone just take a pill, a drink, a smoke. Whatever your choice is and chill the fuck out.Exactly.
Agree! Chill out and quit judging what others do.
Stop taking things so personal. Or stop being so judgmental. When did this all start? This site didn't used to be this way. I've seen guys on here, some included in this argument, post links to an ad of an old, ugly fat woman and write their review of recently banging her. But, no one makes comments about them banging old, ugly fat girls. No one. So why are we comparing a girl who could be on Eros to trailer trash? And, in some cases, I agree with the over paying some guys do destroying the market, but I don't think this is the case in this situation. I can easily see a woman of her beauty justifying the price she's asking. If guys want to pay that, then they're going to pay it. Stop crying about it.
Everyone just take a pill, a drink, a smoke. Whatever your choice is and chill the fuck out.
Thanks to whomever on the staff cleaned this up and put it in its own thread. The misogynistic rants get a little old after a while.
Mongermonger
01-14-22, 13:32
Some members do seem to have issues with women, eh?
MM.
Thanks to whomever on the staff cleaned this up and put it in its own thread. The misogynistic rants get a little old after a while.
Logic: Don't over pay! Don't do stupid stuff! Don't let women control the arrangement or over charge!
Response: I can do what I want! Don't judge me! Don't tell me what to do! You must be sexist. I'm not going to play anymore!
Childish! You can pay $20 for a $2 candy bar but don't go bragging about it and then attack everybody telling you that was foolish and not to do that because the cost of candy bars will go up if they know they can charge that much and people pay it. LOL!
Ignore the message if you want but don't try to fight it, play victim, or shut it down because then you're just spreading ignorance and foolishness.
LuvNHookers
01-16-22, 02:52
…but don't go bragging about it…
I don't look at it as bragging. A girls rates are her rates. That's just part of the review.
In fact, I would argue that a post without a working link, rates, services offered and their quality (subjective, I know), and venue (type, quality, hygiene, etc. Again, subjective), made in irrelevant cities and sub-forums, shouldn't even be made. "So-and-so was fun" posted in every city and every topic is just a waste of bandwidth.
Either pay them or move on to someone who charges what you're comfortable paying.
You may want all those details but that doesn't make a good review. A good review gives the good, the bad, and the price with any warnings. I hope you keep your need of a wiki on each girl in check so not to be let down. LOL!
Saying "Don't post a review unless you have these details" is almost as bad as "You hurt my feelings I'm not going to post anymore". 😂.
The review isn't the bragging. The saying you paid $XXX for a girl then someone telling you that was too much as you get defensive about it is. That $20 candy bar might have been the best one of your life but it was still a $2 candy bar in this area.
The problem with "you do you" and "don't tell me what to do" toxic lifestyle is it messes up the market. If everybody starts paying $20 for candy bars, candy bars now cost $20 not $2.
Reality checks are not offensive so people need to stop taking offense. You can go to Miami and pay near a thousand for a girl but these ain't Miami girl quality and we ain't in Miami so don't bring that thought process or accepting high prices to this area. "I paid $500 not a $1000"... That's good but she still a $300 girl in this area. *Offended sounds echo out*
The message is true and you don't have to follow it if you don't want to but don't challenge it or try to shut it down because it hurt your feelings or you want to make poor choices because your mind believes that overpaying is value.
I don't look at it as bragging. A girls rates are her rates. That's just part of the review.
In fact, I would argue that a post without a working link, rates, services offered and their quality (subjective, I know), and venue (type, quality, hygiene, etc. Again, subjective), made in irrelevant cities and sub-forums, shouldn't even be made. "So-and-so was fun" posted in every city and every topic is just a waste of bandwidth.
Either pay them or move on to someone who charges what you're comfortable paying.
LuvNHookers
01-16-22, 16:07
That my feelings are definitely not hurt.
You're right. I left out the part about any warnings, but that could be considered part of the venue. Maybe "atmosphere" would have been a better choice of words. But I did specifically mention price. One must have the price to see whether the session ("dream" just seems childish to me) is worth it. Usually it isn't.
I never told someone what to post. I just said the one-sentence review is a waste. Reviews need to have all the relevant information. Including price and activities.
If a candy bar costs $20 then that's the price. Stop. Using candy bars. They're not good for you anyway. Try eating oatmeal.
You may want all those details but that doesn't make a good review. A good review gives the good, the bad, and the price with any warnings. I hope you keep your need of a wiki on each girl in check so not to be let down. LOL!
Saying "Don't post a review unless you have these details" is almost as bad as "You hurt my feelings I'm not going to post anymore". 😂.
The review isn't the bragging. The saying you paid $XXX for a girl then someone telling you that was too much as you get defensive about it is. That $20 candy bar might have been the best one of your life but it was still a $2 candy bar in this area.
The problem with "you do you" and "don't tell me what to do" toxic lifestyle is it messes up the market. If everybody starts paying $20 for candy bars, candy bars now cost $20 not $2.
Reality checks are not offensive so people need to stop taking offense. You can go to Miami and pay near a thousand for a girl but these ain't Miami girl quality and we ain't in Miami so don't bring that thought process or accepting high prices to this area. "I paid $500 not a $1000"... That's good but she still a $300 girl in this area. *Offended sounds echo out*
The message is true and you don't have to follow it if you don't want to but don't challenge it or try to shut it down because it hurt your feelings or you want to make poor choices because your mind believes that overpaying is value.
Well said man.
No matter what kind of chip anyone has on their shoulder, no one here has a miracle dick, and girls are going to charge what they're going to charge. If it doesn't suit you personally, STFU and move on. Don't come in here bitching and whining about the girls "using guys as a wallet" when you're basically using them as a somewhat interactive self warming fleshlight. If you think we have "control over the market" when it comes to anything other than the most strung out chicks with a massive pet to feed, you're delusional. Nobody is holding a title to that P other than the girl it's part of.
I don't look at it as bragging. A girls rates are her rates. That's just part of the review.
Either pay them or move on to someone who charges what you're comfortable paying.
Billwill0717
01-27-22, 13:29
Does anyone seen this provider? The most recent review is from 3 years ago. I have always been interested in her but the old reviews seem mixed. Thanks! https://mizzblizz6996.weebly.com/.
JonnyRockett
01-27-22, 19:56
I'm not sure this is the correct forum to ask about reviews. Anyway, Bella has been reviewed here recently. I did a quick search and found 2 reviews from last month.
JR.
Does anyone seen this provider? The most recent review is from 3 years ago. I have always been interested in her but the old reviews seem mixed. Thanks! https://mizzblizz6996.weebly.com/.
Don't think this is the right category to be posting but... She has been posting forever and frequently with no trash talk so the assumption is she is real. Early on in the game caught attention but believe there's heavy mileage/age there based on popularity and posting frequently over time, strangely nobody talks about her. She was preggo for a minute.
Does anyone seen this provider? The most recent review is from 3 years ago. I have always been interested in her but the old reviews seem mixed. Thanks! https://mizzblizz6996.weebly.com/.
Don't think this is the right category to be posting but... She has been posting forever and frequently with no trash talk so the assumption is she is real. Early on in the game caught attention but believe there's heavy mileage/age there based on popularity and posting frequently over time, strangely nobody talks about her. She was preggo for a minute.Never knew she was pregnant. That's new. I do see her posting often ever since I started and wanted her services.
It's been a minute but the assumption is she is higher traffic based on posts but if she did not burn out by now she might be doing something right. Come back and share reviews. Best to be in escort section.
Never knew she was pregnant. That's new. I do see her posting often ever since I started and wanted her services.
Don't think this is the right category to be posting but... She has been posting forever and frequently with no trash talk so the assumption is she is real. Early on in the game caught attention but believe there's heavy mileage/age there based on popularity and posting frequently over time, strangely nobody talks about her. She was preggo for a minute.I am sending you a PM.
Does anyone seen this provider? The most recent review is from 3 years ago. I have always been interested in her but the old reviews seem mixed. Thanks! https://mizzblizz6996.weebly.com/.Check out post #150 in Portsmouth Escort Reports for my recent review of her. Pm if you want.
ScottsMan17
02-14-22, 16:36
Can we please STOP filling the topic sections with supercilious crap? I go to the escort section and have to scan through 100 post debating the proper cost versus expectations or some dude who has to give his definition and standard for all mongers to live by. Escort section is for reviews and info on escorts, massage section is for reviews and info on AMP's and other massage therapist. If you want to rant and complain this is the section for it. And to the mongers that think it their place to educate the others, STFU and mind your own business, you DO NOT CONTROL the bag market homeboy. Have a great day everybody! You do you and I'm going to do me!
You're right. Idiots who over pay control the market based on ignorance or foolishness. LOL! This proves the problem, 0 comprehension. Too busy shutting down the message saying "I do what I want" than hearing the message. Guys control the market, too many just pay what they are told.
Can we please STOP filling the topic sections with supercilious crap? I go to the escort section and have to scan through 100 post debating the proper cost versus expectations or some dude who has to give his definition and standard for all mongers to live by. Escort section is for reviews and info on escorts, massage section is for reviews and info on AMP's and other massage therapist. If you want to rant and complain this is the section for it. And to the mongers that think it their place to educate the others, STFU and mind your own business, you DO NOT CONTROL the bag market homeboy. Have a great day everybody! You do you and I'm going to do me!
ScottsMan17
02-14-22, 18:56
You're right. Idiots who over pay control the market based on ignorance or foolishness. LOL! This proves the problem, 0 comprehension. Too busy shutting down the message saying "I do what I want" than hearing the message. Guys control the market, too many just pay what they are told.You do you, if you can't afford the hobby find a new one. I know what I am willing to pay and if it doesn't work out I move along. But if a monger likes a 10 even if she is an average lay well that's is prerogative and who are you to tell them how much they should pay? I personally would rather bang a nasty freak 6 than a lame 10 but I have had some 10's that are nasty freaks and if they are asking more well I will pay more if I want to. Your constant whining about what others pay or what a girl offers for her requested price is worn out bro, know body is listening to you and all you do is flood the sections of the forum where we go to look for info on girls. I sure as hell do not need any financial advice from you, my pockets are deep enough for me and if that bothers you too bad bro, save your money, invest smartly or get out of the hobby. Another note, these girls are just trying to make money and THEY own the commodity! The "market" is 50/50 in that they have the kitty and we have the coin and just like any other part of the economy supply meets demand, by your way of thinking we should cut down the demand? Oh by the way, I absolutely do whatever I want. And thanks for finally putting your rant in the appropriate section, please keep it out of the other sections. Have a nice day bro.
Nothing says I lost the argument or can't counteract facts like insulting or devaluing the source. LOL!
If your willing to throw away money and over pay, that is "you doing you" but it's not normal and doesn't make you better at the game. I'm not telling you what to do so stop being sensitive about facts. If they offend you, that's on you. If I go to a garage sale and pay full retail price for used goods that doesn't mean I'm the best garage sale shopper. Yeah what you wanted and might be happy but it doesn't mean you aren't ripped off.
Foolish spending messes up drugged up Debbie. You pay $80 drugstore Debbie $200 then she thinks now she is $200 and starts asking that. You mess up the market for both sides. You might be happy but she ain't worth $200 to everyone and normal people don't like to pay $200 for $80 service. That's not people being cheap. That not supply and demand, it's her getting away with it due to the poor spending activity.
You and others don't want to hear facts and will always over pay what you want so how about you just ignore this and stop fighting it like you are attacked. Do what you want but don't challenge it or feel compelled to speak against it every single time because it's honestly true you just don't care.
Like stated before we can pull in a solid 8/9 Brazilian and a nice hotel for less than $400 so that's proof ain't nobody worth more than that. You can pay more but that doesn't mean you're getting more and honestly most that charge more provide less.
When crazy Aya who flips on her prices and says 200 to a new guy who does not know her but I know to stick with 120. That's not her controlling the market. Just like the majority, It's a seller trying to get the maximum amount of money out of a foolish buyer. $200 guy might be happy but he still got ripped off and honestly didn't get anything better.
You do you, if you can't afford the hobby find a new one. I know what I am willing to pay and if it doesn't work out I move along. But if a monger likes a 10 even if she is an average lay well that's is prerogative and who are you to tell them how much they should pay? I personally would rather bang a nasty freak 6 than a lame 10 but I have had some 10's that are nasty freaks and if they are asking more well I will pay more if I want to. Your constant whining about what others pay or what a girl offers for her requested price is worn out bro, know body is listening to you and all you do is flood the sections of the forum where we go to look for info on girls. I sure as hell do not need any financial advice from you, my pockets are deep enough for me and if that bothers you too bad bro, save your money, invest smartly or get out of the hobby. Another note, these girls are just trying to make money and THEY own the commodity! The "market" is 50/50 in that they have the kitty and we have the coin and just like any other part of the economy supply meets demand, by your way of thinking we should cut down the demand? Oh by the way, I absolutely do whatever I want. And thanks for finally putting your rant in the appropriate section, please keep it out of the other sections. Have a nice day bro.
Black Pelican
02-15-22, 08:19
Listen, agree with what everyone is saying. I tend to lean to the side that says that paying 100 for a 10 min encounter is kind of not worth it. It equates to paying 600 an hour. But I'll try it once and if there is chemistry the typically will come down. With that said, holy crap. I visited Krystal Caberet and Clanceys thinking I may have better luck and drag my money and fun out there. Well, it's like 40 for a 3 minute song. 3 songs equals 9 minutes for 120. And no guarantee of even a HJ. So my point here is that if I was a girl who advertised on STG and came from the stripper world, I'd charge more than that. I know they have to pay the house fee etc. Anywho, I almost wanted to tell the manager they are charging too much, and that I can get a girl on STG for less and get more. LOL.
Nothing says I lost the argument or can't counteract facts like insulting or devaluing the source. LOL!
If your willing to throw away money and over pay, that is "you doing you" but it's not normal and doesn't make you better at the game. I'm not telling you what to do so stop being sensitive about facts. If they offend you, that's on you. If I go to a garage sale and pay full retail price for used goods that doesn't mean I'm the best garage sale shopper. Yeah what you wanted and might be happy but it doesn't mean you aren't ripped off.
Foolish spending messes up drugged up Debbie. You pay $80 drugstore Debbie $200 then she thinks now she is $200 and starts asking that. You mess up the market for both sides. You might be happy but she ain't worth $200 to everyone and normal people don't like to pay $200 for $80 service. That's not people being cheap. That not supply and demand, it's her getting away with it due to the poor spending activity.
You and others don't want to hear facts and will always over pay what you want so how about you just ignore this and stop fighting it like you are attacked. Do what you want but don't challenge it or feel compelled to speak against it every single time because it's honestly true you just don't care.
Like stated before we can pull in a solid 8/9 Brazilian and a nice hotel for less than $400 so that's proof ain't nobody worth more than that. You can pay more but that doesn't mean you're getting more and honestly most that charge more provide less.
When crazy Aya who flips on her prices and says 200 to a new guy who does not know her but I know to stick with 120. That's not her controlling the market. Just like the majority, It's a seller trying to get the maximum amount of money out of a foolish buyer. $200 guy might be happy but he still got ripped off and honestly didn't get anything better.
Fucking preach. That dead horse has been beaten down to the bare skeleton.
Can we please STOP filling the topic sections with supercilious crap? I go to the escort section and have to scan through 100 post debating the proper cost versus expectations or some dude who has to give his definition and standard for all mongers to live by. Escort section is for reviews and info on escorts, massage section is for reviews and info on AMP's and other massage therapist. If you want to rant and complain this is the section for it. And to the mongers that think it their place to educate the others, STFU and mind your own business, you DO NOT CONTROL the bag market homeboy. Have a great day everybody! You do you and I'm going to do me!
LOL! Can't see the forest for the trees! The fact that there is still fools going around saying "the guys have no control of the market" and the fact that people are going around saying "I proudly over pay what I want" shows that that horse ain't even close to being dead.
You may not want to hear it, you won't learn from it, or it may not apply to you. And in that situation you stay silent because the message that may not be for you.
Fucking preach. That dead horse has been beaten down to the bare skeleton.
SwordKnight
02-15-22, 12:33
You may not want to hear it, you won't learn from it.You may not want to hear that you've beaten that poor horse to paste, but you have. Talk about fools not being able to learn? Look in a mirror.
LeeLow1965
02-15-22, 12:39
Hear hear, To use a Tom and Jerry reference, "Touche, pussy cat".
You may not want to hear that you've beaten that poor horse to paste, but you have. Talk about fools not being able to learn? Look in a mirror.
Men of culture. On the one hand we have a person selling the holes in their bodies. On the other hand we have people paying to put things in said holes. It's never going to make sense.
Can't we all just get along?
When the same horse (s) are saying "I'm not over paying" then right after is saying "I'm going to over pay if I want, shut up! That over paying horse ain't dead or made up. It just don't like getting beat. LOL! So much hate from pointing that out tells you everything from the backlash. Shame or hate was not the statement intent.
It's setting a foolish example for the new guys that don't know better and messing up the market to let girls think they are worth more than they provide so prices go up. It's not cheap to say 80 P is not worth 150 or 300 P is not worth 600+. You can over pay and feel good but does not negate the over paying pointed out.
The responses are "shut up I don't want to be told I over paid" or personal insults when a counter argument defending the bad spending practice can't be made. Notice it's just "shut up" over any level of conversation. Not sending hate but that hate in return supports there is a problem still.
You can choose to go earmuffs or choose not to listen and continue bad habits but don't sit there saying they don't exist when there's plenty saying they do but don't care.
You may not want to hear that you've beaten that poor horse to paste, but you have. Talk about fools not being able to learn? Look in a mirror.
ScottsMan17
02-15-22, 17:32
When the same horse (s) are saying "I'm not over paying" then right after is saying "I'm going to over pay if I want, shut up! That over paying horse ain't dead or made up. It just don't like getting beat. LOL! So much hate from pointing that out tells you everything from the backlash. Shame or hate was not the statement intent.
It's setting a foolish example for the new guys that don't know better and messing up the market to let girls think they are worth more than they provide so prices go up. It's not cheap to say 80 P is not worth 150 or 300 P is not worth 600+. You can over pay and feel good but does not negate the over paying pointed out.
The responses are "shut up I don't want to be told I over paid" or personal insults when a counter argument defending the bad spending practice can't be made. Notice it's just "shut up" over any level of conversation. Not sending hate but that hate in return supports there is a problem still.
You can choose to go earmuffs or choose not to listen and continue bad habits but don't sit there saying they don't exist when there's plenty saying they do but don't care.Hey bro, I do what I want. Matter fact, think I'm going to go do Aya and maybe I will give her 300 just because I can! Hell, she will probably do anything I want for 3 bills LOL I may just set the market and start paying extra girl say "130 for hh" I may respond "no sweetheart, you underselling here's 250" I may start tipping 100 at AMP's for just a HJ and tell the girl she is the best and should always charge at least 100! I am not going to do any of these things really but my point is you can ***** whine and complain all you want but dudes are going to do whatever the hell they want. The whole point of I am trying to make is use this sub for your whining and complaining, keep the escort and massage subs for info sharing not your BS.
No one said you can't, so stop getting personally offended and trying to push back so hard. Saying the sky is blue should not be that offensive to you, it's a statement of fact.
The statement was "Men control the market so people need to stop over paying because it's messing up the rates". The counter argument was "Men are not in control and that it's not messing up the market. " The message was never "be cheap" and the message was never "dont tip for extra services". It's know the value and power dynamic.
If you think that paying $300 gets everything from Aya, This again shows the lack of market knowledge and how easy it is to overpay. She does everything for $100, you just need to hold your ground and stop giving the girls unchallenged control.
Perfectly proves my example, this is why she asked for $300 because some fool thought she would do everything for $300 before and paid it. He might be happy after paying $300 and getting everything but you got ripped off of $200 if you feel like it or not. LOL! She asked more because she sometimes gets it doesn't mean that's what she's worth.
Got to love how the lashing out keeps moving from there is no control from men to I could f* it up right now if I wanted to. You're really proving the point.
If you were to actually do those stupid things it would mess things up for both sides. You multiply that and it creates serious damage to the market. Stop getting personally offended, one person's not going to totally ruin everything but a lot of idiots pay Aya $300 can because the message of "don't overpay her" keeps getting shut down. That's a problem. The fact that you're so offended by it and triggered shows that there's a problem. Stop saying the sky is not blue because you don't care, but it's still a fact.
You can cry all day how you have the money to spend poorly but that doesn't make you good at the game. The highest bidder on eBay gets the prize but that doesn't mean you weren't ripped off. If I can get the same girl you pay $600 for for $300, stop getting offended if I can get the same $300 girl that you paid for $150, Stop getting offended. If you like to promote a sugar daddy or simp overpaying lifestyle that's fine but it is not change the facts. You can still pay the market value without being cheap, without being rude, and making both parties happy.
If you don't care stop getting upset because it seems like you do care, a little too much, proving that you're overpaying and giving up control but don't care.
A goof that doesn't care is irrelevant to this conversation and should stay quiet, You're just yelling at the sun that this does not apply to you and nobody cares if you don't care. The message is for all the others that don't know or overpay out of ignorance.
Hey bro, I do what I want. Matter fact, think I'm going to go do Aya and maybe I will give her 300 just because I can! Hell, she will probably do anything I want for 3 bills LOL I may just set the market and start paying extra girl say "130 for hh" I may respond "no sweetheart, you underselling here's 250" I may start tipping 100 at AMP's for just a HJ and tell the girl she is the best and should always charge at least 100! I am not going to do any of these things really but my point is you can ***** whine and complain all you want but dudes are going to do whatever the hell they want. The whole point of I am trying to make is use this sub for your whining and complaining, keep the escort and massage subs for info sharing not your BS.
ScottsMan17
02-16-22, 13:40
Not offended at all, I think you are ridiculous with your constant diatribe off "advice". At the end of the day everybody will do whatever they want. We all have our tactics and techniques we use for "mongering", do what works for you. If you can get anything from Aya for 100 good for you, hell I've gotten more free pussy from her than I can remember but sometimes maybe I will give her a extra because she did a good job if that doesn't fit your personal metrics for mongering too bad brother. I have deep pockets but also sound judgment and from what I see in your constant "advice" you are the reason a lot of these girls are the way they are. Have a good day bro and I never get offended by anything you say but am tired of having to digg through all your BS to get to reviews and info.
There is a difference between "stop saying girls over charge, they don't" and "I can justify over paying so don't care what I spend".
You can do you but don't act like sugar daddy style blind spending or simp paying her demands without question is not a market issue. Don't try to shut down the message there is a problem with a possible solution just because it does not apply to you and you don't care.
Goofs pushing back are jumping to the extreme. "You're cheap" is not the response to pointing out that the Walmart brand Lucky charms cost more than the real Lucky charms. LOL!
Not saying that $600 girl should be paid $100 because that's the extreme flip of the argument that also hurts. When a 8/9 hot Brazilian charges 300-400 with few limits, that 600 is over spending even if you don't care. It doesn't matter if you can afford it or don't care it's still overspending.
You try to say the message is false, then you try to devalue the source when it can't be disproven, then you say you don't care. It would be best not to speak up against if it does not even affect you because sounds like you care too much to not let it go. The message might not be for you!
If a commercial comes on saying please recycle do you scream at it saying that you already recycle and then complain about it or do you realize the messages is for somebody else that doesn't?
Not offended at all, I think you are ridiculous with your constant diatribe off "advice". At the end of the day everybody will do whatever they want. We all have our tactics and techniques we use for "mongering", do what works for you. If you can get anything from Aya for 100 good for you, hell I've gotten more free pussy from her than I can remember but sometimes maybe I will give her a extra because she did a good job if that doesn't fit your personal metrics for mongering too bad brother. I have deep pockets but also sound judgment and from what I see in your constant "advice" you are the reason a lot of these girls are the way they are. Have a good day bro and I never get offended by anything you say but am tired of having to digg through all your BS to get to reviews and info.
Nailed it.
...from what I see in your constant "advice" you are the reason a lot of these girls are the way they are...
Is anyone a member of erotic monkey if so what do you think of the site.
Is anyone a member of erotic monkey if so what do you think of the site.But seldom log in. They don't give free VIP days for reviewing so I don't really log in. I like thorough reviews. Sites like them and Private Delights just don't give enough detail.
ScottsMan17
02-20-22, 18:38
Is anyone a member of erotic monkey if so what do you think of the site.I had an account but to me its not worth it. The erotic review is the most informative. This site is good when people post in the correct sections and not fill the escort and AMP sections with their own personal BS about the way they think it should be.
MisterNova
02-20-22, 19:43
Is anyone a member of erotic monkey if so what do you think of the site.I used to be a member and then cancelled. Just didn't seem worth it to me.
Is anyone a member of erotic monkey if so what do you think of the site.Many of the reviews are several years old. Also, I think some of the recent reviews are bogus. I tried calling one of the women and found that her phone was disconnected. Since I found that, she has had at least two more reviews. Either the reviewer had a more current number for her or (more likely) just made up another review similar to reviews that had already been posted for the woman. I have tried a few times and have not yet had a response from any of the women that I tried to contact.
LuvNHookers
02-21-22, 07:01
The erotic review is the most informative.TER allows free VIP membership to members who post two reviews in a month. I think it gives incentive for guys to post false reviews. I've noticed there are times that reviewers will post several reviews within a couple days. It just seems suspicious. Plus there are a lot of reviews that don't really give a lot of information. Some are even copied and pasted from here by guys with different handles.
Having said that, it can be a good place to find out what a girl might be like during a session.
ScottsMan17
02-21-22, 08:20
TER allows free VIP membership to members who post two reviews in a month. I think it gives incentive for guys to post false reviews. I've noticed there are times that reviewers will post several reviews within a couple days. It just seems suspicious. Plus there are a lot of reviews that don't really give a lot of information. Some are even copied and pasted from here by guys with different handles.
Having said that, it can be a good place to find out what a girl might be like during a session.Totally agree, I've seen reviews that 8 of 10 mongers say 1 thing then their are couple outliers that go the other way. I use the consensus opinion as a baseline. I have also found resources thru reviews.
Is anyone a member of erotic monkey if so what do you think of the site.I've had an account for a very long time. As in before they started charging. Back then, they were reposting reviews from TER word for word and that was the case for 99% of the reviews but they would expire a few months after posting. When they got better known and people started posting fresh reviews, they started charging and it was a good value for a while. For me anyway. I've since cancelled my membership and use TER now since they seem to be more current and informative. I'll occasionally do a one month then cancel if I'm on a run and can't find info anywhere else and see reviews for a particular girl (s) there. TER is currently the way to go though IMO.
https://tryst.link/escort/taylor-p
"I was so close to leaving, but she was sexy and I was able to talk her down from 400 to 300 for a hour. She started massaging me and kept reminding me that she is not GFE. I rolled over and she started massaging my balls and I now was harder than a concrete poll! I asked her to talk to my friend and she said I already provided you a discount, no! She put the condom on and got on top and I blew my load within seconds. ".
It's amazing to me how you can have access to so many resources with reviews and still fall for this type of stuff. Dude even has an acct on TER, so you can access reviews and see what she's about. Like I said before she keeps coming to the area and this is why. So the synopsis is you paid 300 for 1 to 2 minutes of pussy.
Bluntzilla11
02-28-22, 14:56
So the new hotness is scrolling thru all the fake Asian ads to get to the fake American ones? Perfect.
Guys try to fight it but 1/2 these chicks ain't worth asking price. She dropped $100 off because she knows the area and her worth so she is a $300 girl not a $400-600 girl these tryst girls peacock in your face.
Proof guys have the power and blind acceptance or not caring doesn't change that. It actually proves she has ripped off other guys that don't challenge. She happily accepted and still made out on top even being "low balled" LOL! Bargaining and setting value standards works! Had trash lower than her ask $500 so be wise y'all. She limits service, you limit pay!
https://tryst.link/escort/taylor-p
"I was so close to leaving, but she was sexy and I was able to talk her down from 400 to 300 for a hour. She started massaging me and kept reminding me that she is not GFE. I rolled over and she started massaging my balls and I now was harder than a concrete poll! I asked her to talk to my friend and she said I already provided you a discount, no! She put the condom on and got on top and I blew my load within seconds. ".
It's amazing to me how you can have access to so many resources with reviews and still fall for this type of stuff. Dude even has an acct on TER, so you can access reviews and see what she's about. Like I said before she keeps coming to the area and this is why. So the synopsis is you paid 300 for 1 to 2 minutes of pussy.
So the new hotness is scrolling thru all the fake Asian ads to get to the fake American ones? Perfect.Uncheck 'asian' from the ethnicities section, and it's like they all instantly board a bus to NYC and go poof. Too bad we can't uncheck 'fake' or gps.
JonnyRockett
03-01-22, 09:34
I was thinking the exact same thing while scrolling over ads this past weekend.
So the new hotness is scrolling thru all the fake Asian ads to get to the fake American ones? Perfect.
Bluntzilla11
03-01-22, 10:53
Uncheck 'asian' from the ethnicities section, and it's like they all instantly board a bus to NYC and go poof. Too bad we can't uncheck 'fake' or gps.Appreciate that tip!
Many of the reviews are several years old. Also, I think some of the recent reviews are bogus. I tried calling one of the women and found that her phone was disconnected. Since I found that, she has had at least two more reviews. Either the reviewer had a more current number for her or (more likely) just made up another review similar to reviews that had already been posted for the woman. I have tried a few times and have not yet had a response from any of the women that I tried to contact.I have had a membership to both over the past couple years. In my opinion, the best intel can be had on TER. You get links, contact numbers, and reviews from way back. They seem to update reviews more often that them as well.
Many of the reviews are several years old. Also, I think some of the recent reviews are bogus. I tried calling one of the women and found that her phone was disconnected. Since I found that, she has had at least two more reviews. Either the reviewer had a more current number for her or (more likely) just made up another review similar to reviews that had already been posted for the woman. I have tried a few times and have not yet had a response from any of the women that I tried to contact.I have had a membership to both over the past couple years. In my opinion, the best intel can be had on TER. You get links, contact numbers, and reviews from way back. They seem to update reviews more often that them as well.
I use neither now. STG and Rubmaps (subscription required) suits me just fine.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Uncheck 'asian' from the ethnicities section, and it's like they all instantly board a bus to NYC and go poof. Too bad we can't uncheck 'fake' or gps.
ScottsMan17
03-02-22, 21:57
Whats the most you have ever paid? I have paid 800 on 2 different occasions. 1 in Vegas saw a fairly famous pornstar (Mia Ryder) for 800, worth every penny did everything and was in my hotel room for over 3 hours. 2nd was in LA another pornstar (asian Kim) not worth it, she was so wicked out on something it was pathetic, I could do whatever I wanted but she was a freking zombie. The absolute best I ever had was a Japanese chick in Dallas, paid 180 for an hour, she staid over 2 and we did everything you can imagine all bare, 3 shots.
Whats the most you have ever paid? I have paid 800 on 2 different occasions. 1 in Vegas saw a fairly famous pornstar (Mia Ryder) for 800, worth every penny did everything and was in my hotel room for over 3 hours. 2nd was in LA another pornstar (asian Kim) not worth it, she was so wicked out on something it was pathetic, I could do whatever I wanted but she was a freking zombie. The absolute best I ever had was a Japanese chick in Dallas, paid 180 for an hour, she staid over 2 and we did everything you can imagine all bare, 3 shots.I've also paid 800 a couple of times before, both were for two hour sessions (plus a little extra time) with a girl named Amaia who used to tour through the area. She was a great GFE, definitely top five all time for me.
On a per-hour basis, I did pay 600 for an hour with another touring provider I won't name on the forum because she googles herself. That was her "anything goes" rate at the time -- all holes, bb, fetishes, pretty much whatever I wanted. I think I got my money's worth from her.
Depends on how you break it down.
Them sugar baby girls some times need a hotel so add on $100-150 more. So most spent $400-450 on a few all inclusive $300 upper end sugar babies. Don't mess with them "take me out to eat first" money pits who take weeks to close the deal when a PPM upper end sugar girls are under $400 usually without time limit or rules. Also avoid anybody asking more because when you can get the same thing for less why pay more? Actually got girl next door level SB cuties $150 plus hotel majority of the time, even got 2 girls for $300 together once. SBs have always been one step above escorts in quality, Just watch for the simp finesse scammers trying to push platonic or rob you.
Most expensive escort was $200-300 range but quality is a roll of the dice when the community allow low end to ask high end prices and allows mid level girls to ask higher. Then when top level multiple service girls come in from South America at $400, then you know what pussy is really worth for escorts. Everywhere else your paying location tax or getting ripped off with spoiled western entitlement. So never really got robbed there being the lowest of the categories. LOL! Note: Celebs or rare service are worth over paying within reason.
Now strip club stories are interesting. Near Miami got a hot Hispanic girls that ended up costing $500-600 range. Kind of tricked Jr to pay too much but fucking raw in a public strip club with a hot curvy top level Hispanic was worth that. No STD but might have a kid. LOL! The excitement and location made it, probably won't pay that at a hotel with upper end girls doing much less. Just don't confuse cheap with not seeing $800 pussy anywhere so not paying it. :P
Whats the most you have ever paid? I have paid 800 on 2 different occasions. 1 in Vegas saw a fairly famous pornstar (Mia Ryder) for 800, worth every penny did everything and was in my hotel room for over 3 hours. 2nd was in LA another pornstar (asian Kim) not worth it, she was so wicked out on something it was pathetic, I could do whatever I wanted but she was a freking zombie. The absolute best I ever had was a Japanese chick in Dallas, paid 180 for an hour, she staid over 2 and we did everything you can imagine all bare, 3 shots.
Whats the most you have ever paid? I have paid 800 on 2 different occasions. 1 in Vegas saw a fairly famous pornstar (Mia Ryder) for 800, worth every penny did everything and was in my hotel room for over 3 hours. 2nd was in LA another pornstar (asian Kim) not worth it, she was so wicked out on something it was pathetic, I could do whatever I wanted but she was a freking zombie. The absolute best I ever had was a Japanese chick in Dallas, paid 180 for an hour, she staid over 2 and we did everything you can imagine all bare, 3 shots.Was $1500 for porn star Ryan Conner. Back in the day I used to trek up to D. C. for big game hunting. Started perusing and got the urge to see her. Took some times and many emails to try and get her most up to date one but it all paid off. I booked an hour with her, showed up, she was dressed in lingerie with heels, showed me a good time. World class BBBJ, bare everything, bust 3 times including CIP including some personal video footage. Showered then got on the road to head back home. Well worth it.
JonnyRockett
03-04-22, 09:26
The most I've paid was $1500 while in Reno on business. That got me an overnight (about 10 hours) with a girl that looked like a younger version of porn star Danica Collins. Full GFE, bare except FS, all holes open, as many pops as I could manage, shower together, massage and in room service breakfast together. Worth every penny.
Whats the most you have ever paid? I have paid 800 on 2 different occasions. 1 in Vegas saw a fairly famous pornstar (Mia Ryder) for 800, worth every penny did everything and was in my hotel room for over 3 hours. 2nd was in LA another pornstar (asian Kim) not worth it, she was so wicked out on something it was pathetic, I could do whatever I wanted but she was a freking zombie. The absolute best I ever had was a Japanese chick in Dallas, paid 180 for an hour, she staid over 2 and we did everything you can imagine all bare, 3 shots.
Although no pussy is worth over $500-600, I'd say it's cool to pay more for 1 visit if multi pops and multiple hours that average 300-400 per hour or less. Top level porn star at 800 at 3 hours is still less than $300 an hour so we got to stop and shut down the girls asking more than $500 for an hour.
It is surprising to me when a monger will contact an escort and reference the review of another monger. The motivation behind this is suspect.
It is surprising to me when a monger will contact an escort and reference the review of another monger. The motivation behind this is suspect.I have never done that but I have referred a few to some regulars of mine and told them to reference me. IDK if they did, but sometimes if the woman is the hard to reach doesn't post type, and you were given permission then I can see it happening.
JustAskHer
07-01-22, 08:30
It is surprising to me when a monger will contact an escort and reference the review of another monger. The motivation behind this is suspect.No kidding this happened to me with details from a private msg and totally ruined a good thing. So I will not post details anymore only legit or not, good, bad, pics accurate.
MisterNova
07-01-22, 12:34
I think doing reviews is getting very tricky now. It seems like you have to make sure you don't give away any specific details that will tie you to the review. Really sad though because everyone loses out on good intel.
It is surprising to me when a monger will contact an escort and reference the review of another monger. The motivation behind this is suspect.
Nah just don't over share little things. Don't tell her your username, don't share what day you saw her or what time, say it was a day or two before / after. You can also just wait a day before posting about her. Your privacy is important but you can still review her.
Compliment services or tell of problems but don't give specifics. For example if you told her to wear bunny ears and she said no she's going to know that you. LOL! Don't give up but know girls have eyes on here too.
I think doing reviews is getting very tricky now. It seems like you have to make sure you don't give away any specific details that will tie you to the review. Really sad though because everyone loses out on good intel.
Bairen Nanhai
08-11-22, 09:37
Why is this section called Tidewater? It should be Chesapeake, as that's what most of the posts pertain to. Tidewater is the entire east coast region of Virginia affected by tidal waters. Just saying.
Bairen.
Why is this section called Tidewater? It should be Chesapeake, as that's what most of the posts pertain to. Tidewater is the entire east coast region of Virginia affected by tidal waters. Just saying.
Bairen.Before "Hampton Roads" (or Coastal Virginia or 757 or whatever) became a common term for the region, everyone called it Tidewater even though that term technically is broader than just southeastern Virginia. There are still some old cranks out there who insist that Tidewater is the better name.
I think it's weird that we have separate forums for relatively less active places like Suffolk and Portsmouth, but not Chesapeake. If I were reorganizing the threads, I would do a VB / Norfolk / Chesapeake one, a Peninsula one, and a Portsmouth / Suffolk / Western Tidewater (Franklin, Smithfield, etc) one. Or just Southside and Peninsula. Nova and Richmond don't have this kind of thing going on.
MrFullStop
08-11-22, 15:49
The most I've paid was $1500 while in Reno on business. That got me an overnight (about 10 hours) with a girl that looked like a younger version of porn star Danica Collins. Full GFE, bare except FS, all holes open, as many pops as I could manage, shower together, massage and in room service breakfast together. Worth every penny.Was in Hawaii for a wedding and found a local that cost me around $900, hotel could have been nicer but I got an overnight (started late) and to boot my extra cash was still in my shoes! LOL!
If I were reorganizing the threads, I would do a VB / Norfolk / Chesapeake one, a Peninsula one, and a Portsmouth / Suffolk / Western Tidewater (Franklin, Smithfield, etc) one. Or just Southside and Peninsula. Nova and Richmond don't have this kind of thing going on.Solid idea.
For the uninitiated, or those that come from outside the area, most of the cities here were independent counties until the city of Norfolk incorporated. In Virginia, an incorporated city can annex portions of a neighboring county, but not a neighboring city. In an effort to not become part of Norfolk, Norfolk county incorporated into the city of Chesapeake, and Princess Anne county incorporated into the City of Virginia Beach. Any hope of reliable public transportation has been fucked ever since.
Blak Gekko
08-22-22, 18:20
I felt compelled to share this text I just received. It is one of the most hideous and outrageously dumb ass texts I've received on seeking.no need to say more the text says it all and she's a 5/10.SMH.
SrUnderbridge
08-22-22, 20:44
Holy crap, BG! Does she really think she's going to get anyone with that? That's up in the range of "regularly seen on billionaire arms" type money, or somebody with a household name!
I felt compelled to share this text I just received. It is one of the most hideous and outrageously dumb ass texts I've received on seeking.no need to say more the text says it all and she's a 5/10.SMH.Is she a well known porn star? LMAO.
Blak Gekko
08-22-22, 21:37
Just some chick who signed on to seeking yesterday I hit her up and she hit me back with this crazy ass nonsense LOL! I thought it comical and I was a bit pissed she wasted my time with this shit. These chicks are following bad advice on "Tik Tok" LOL.
Is she a well known porn star? LMAO.
Blak Gekko
08-22-22, 21:39
She honestly in that pea brain of hers thinks she's going to stumble upon this kind of money right here in the good old 757 LOL!
Holy crap, BG! Does she really think she's going to get anyone with that? That's up in the range of "regularly seen on billionaire arms" type money, or somebody with a household name!
Just some chick who signed on to seeking yesterday I hit her up and she hit me back with this crazy ass nonsense LOL! I thought it comical and I was a bit pissed she wasted my time with this shit. These chicks are following bad advice on "Tik Tok" LOL.Whether it's in the SB world or the hooker world, more and more of these chicks seem to think this is some type of get rich quick scheme where they can come in and charge crazy prices and idiots will just go for it.
You know what kills me with this new crop of providers. This "YES THE PICS ARE ME, NO I WILL NOT SEND EXTRA PIC". These mfs advertise on the sleaziest of sites, sites where there are known bait and switchers and still have the nerve to put crap like this in their ad. Picture you reaching out to someone trying to sell a used car or some furniture and you asking for an updated pic and them sending you back this in reply? WTF has happened to the competition in this game. I remember at one point in time ladies would send you pics just to get your business, now these mfs cop an attitude just because you want to be sure it's them in the pictures and not get scammed. Not to mention the menu, 250 for a "throat massage", GTFOH. 500 for FS, laughable. And no reviews to back up anything. So that throat massage might even be covered and it might only be one pop for that 500/ FS option, but you won't find that out until you get there.
https://tryst.link/escort/camilamarley420
GiveItRaw10
09-02-22, 08:25
You know what kills me with this new crop of providers. This "YES THE PICS ARE ME, NO I WILL NOT SEND EXTRA PIC". These mfs advertise on the sleaziest of sites, sites where there are known bait and switchers and still have the nerve to put crap like this in their ad. Picture you reaching out to someone trying to sell a used car or some furniture and you asking for an updated pic and them sending you back this in reply? WTF has happened to the competition in this game. I remember at one point in time ladies would send you pics just to get your business, now these mfs cop an attitude just because you want to be sure it's them in the pictures and not get scammed. Not to mention the menu, 250 for a "throat massage", GTFOH. 500 for FS, laughable. And no reviews to back up anything. So that throat massage might even be covered and it might only be one pop for that 500/ FS option, but you won't find that out until you get there.
https://tryst.link/escort/camilamarley420That b* is bipolar or something. I tried to arrange her basics that was listed in the ad in the hope that the rate will go down. The convo was going good, but then turn a complete 180 degrees. She threatened me and wanted to blackmail or (4 k) me if didn't do what she asked. Shit like that truly pisses me off. I have become so cautious these days because of such ignorance and thieving bastards rotating around in this area.
GiveItRaw10
10-06-22, 10:55
Okay gents, just need to say it. Having a really difficult time with these providers in this area. Coming from a bloke that been living down under for the past 10 years where I frequently punted weekly with some really great and sexy providers. Been back here for a few months and all I can say is that I obviously got spoiled living overseas. This environment with these providers is like walking on egg shells and toxic (not in general, the providers). Most of these providers are on drugs, old as, bio-polar or have a manipulative scheme to punk and ripp-off punters / mongers merely looking to have a little R&R. Hell, these providers are quite dumb as! Don't thrse dumbshits realize that by acting like a fking wacko their rep ain't going to mean nothing in this business. Shit, probably why they turn out like criminals and rip mthfkers off (answered my own question). Just needed to get this off my chess. Planning on venturing back overseas next year. Be safe lads.
Father Glucose
11-21-22, 12:18
Anybody else tired of the ones with the copy and paste disclaimer:
"Any money exchanged is strictly for my time. Blah, blah, blah."
But then as soon as you mention something in their ad they say, "that's extra."
LOL. Just wondering.
I don't think I've ever seen a lower point on these boards for the Virginia forums. I've looked at some of the other states on here, and this forum seems barren with very few new reports coming out every couple of days. I'm just wondering at this point if this state is in a dry spell or did something go wrong at some point that caused the slow down in new reports. I try to share as much as I could of my exploits without going into specific detail, but there's only so much that can get covered before it all just seems like I'm going in circles.
It seems that our only avenues right now are certain high-end (and low-end sites), and AMPs. I wish we had more Streetwalker and UTR reports going, but there just doesn't seem to be many of those floating around like they used to. I'll keep trying to search things out and give info wherever I can, but this is getting tough.
The only time I post anymore is when I hobby out of the area. The main reason being the toxicity of a few on here ruining it for me. It seems after anyone posts on a provider, there is frequently the same couple of people on here saying "you paid too much" or "you wasted your resources on her. There are better out there" blah blah blah. Its always the same post. Its always the same people. Just boosting their post count I'm sure. I will reply to a request here or there but I'm pretty much done posting until things get better. I suspect I'm not the only one as some other regular posters have dropped off the map and rarely resurface.
The thing that kills me is when I go to another area's board looking for recommendations, most people jump at the chance to share and give feedback. It is rare for me to strike out when I'm out of town, and it's because of the boards. None of that "she's legit but you can find better" bs.
Trust me. People haven't stopped hobbying. They just stopped posting about it.
Rant over. For now.
I don't think I've ever seen a lower point on these boards for the Virginia forums. I've looked at some of the other states on here, and this forum seems barren with very few new reports coming out every couple of days. I'm just wondering at this point if this state is in a dry spell or did something go wrong at some point that caused the slow down in new reports. I try to share as much as I could of my exploits without going into specific detail, but there's only so much that can get covered before it all just seems like I'm going in circles.
It seems that our only avenues right now are certain high-end (and low-end sites), and AMPs. I wish we had more Streetwalker and UTR reports going, but there just doesn't seem to be many of those floating around like they used to. I'll keep trying to search things out and give info wherever I can, but this is getting tough.
The only time I post anymore is when I hobby out of the area. The main reason being the toxicity of a few on here ruining it for me. It seems after anyone posts on a provider, there is frequently the same couple of people on here saying "you paid too much" or "you wasted your resources on her. There are better out there" blah blah blah. Its always the same post. Its always the same people. Just boosting their post count I'm sure. I will reply to a request here or there but I'm pretty much done posting until things get better. I suspect I'm not the only one as some other regular posters have dropped off the map and rarely resurface.
The thing that kills me is when I go to another area's board looking for recommendations, most people jump at the chance to share and give feedback. It is rare for me to strike out when I'm out of town, and it's because of the boards. None of that "she's legit but you can find better" bs.
Trust me. People haven't stopped hobbying. They just stopped posting about it.
Rant over. For now.Couldn't have said it any better myself than Werve22 put it.
The only time I post anymore is when I hobby out of the area. The main reason being the toxicity of a few on here ruining it for me. It seems after anyone posts on a provider, there is frequently the same couple of people on here saying "you paid too much" or "you wasted your resources on her. There are better out there" blah blah blah. Its always the same post. Its always the same people. Just boosting their post count I'm sure. I will reply to a request here or there but I'm pretty much done posting until things get better. I suspect I'm not the only one as some other regular posters have dropped off the map and rarely resurface.
The thing that kills me is when I go to another area's board looking for recommendations, most people jump at the chance to share and give feedback. It is rare for me to strike out when I'm out of town, and it's because of the boards. None of that "she's legit but you can find better" bs.
Trust me. People haven't stopped hobbying. They just stopped posting about it.
Rant over. For now.Honestly I rarely even read the comments to my posts. Once I warn or report to you, my job is done. I could care less what others say.
The big issue is how people take feedback and get defensive. You can get the best experience of you life with someone that is old, ugly or taking all your money. It is not a personal attack or shame or hate for people to say you over paid or there is hotter at the same price.
Be happy paying $5 for a dollar menu burger or be happy eating a microwave burger when grilled burgers are better but don't get offended. The statements are true even if they don't align with your perceived values. Comments like there's better out there or you overpaid is more for the others comparing the reviews and not a personal attack on you or your favorite girl.
Someone says your favorite girl could be hotter or cheaper is not false because you are happy. Don't hate on others for exposing facts you don't want to hear or don't care about. Don't freak out and go quiet or run away with all your toys like an upset child.
Adults would say "sure I might have over paid but she is worth it" or "sure hotter girls are out there but I loved my time with her performance". Don't throw a tantrum if you don't care or want to hear something, let's all be adults.
The site is to expose scammers, expose over chargers, justify the extremes, share details/rules/limits, and you can brag about good times. Just don't get upset if your good time review has feedback.
The only time I post anymore is when I hobby out of the area. The main reason being the toxicity of a few on here ruining it for me. It seems after anyone posts on a provider, there is frequently the same couple of people on here saying "you paid too much" or "you wasted your resources on her. There are better out there" blah blah blah. Its always the same post. Its always the same people. Just boosting their post count I'm sure. I will reply to a request here or there but I'm pretty much done posting until things get better. I suspect I'm not the only one as some other regular posters have dropped off the map and rarely resurface.
The thing that kills me is when I go to another area's board looking for recommendations, most people jump at the chance to share and give feedback. It is rare for me to strike out when I'm out of town, and it's because of the boards. None of that "she's legit but you can find better" bs.
Trust me. People haven't stopped hobbying. They just stopped posting about it.
Rant over. For now.
Father Glucose
12-27-22, 12:40
Hey fellow mongers.
Curious as to what sites are used and which ones are a waste of time? I know that some vary based on rates and or quality. I've used pd, tryst, and eros with really no issues other than maybe a handler / bait and switch on eros one time. I even used TNA boards with great success when I was on a business trip on the west coast. Stg is pretty easy to tell which ones are scams (maybe 50/50), but a few other sites seem to be 75% or more scammers. (Megapersonals, escort alligator, callescort). Sometimes I don't mind messing with them but man, it gets crazy to come across deposit scams over and over. Anybody have any luck on the alternate sites?
That's how personal preference works. We all have different tastes in providers than others and I tend to stick with the I know I can my money's worth from. Might not be others cup of tea and they want better quality and are willing to pay more for it. Understandable. It's just finding out what works for you. The providers I see may not be top notch at times, but they work in a pinch when I need them. To me, it's all about filling a hole when I need to.
The big issue is how people take feedback and get defensive. You can get the best experience of you life with someone that is old, ugly or taking all your money. It is not a personal attack or shame or hate for people to say you over paid or there is hotter at the same price.
Be happy paying $5 for a dollar menu burger or be happy eating a microwave burger when grilled burgers are better but don't get offended. The statements are true even if they don't align with your perceived values. Comments like there's better out there or you overpaid is more for the others comparing the reviews and not a personal attack on you or your favorite girl.
Someone says your favorite girl could be hotter or cheaper is not false because you are happy. Don't hate on others for exposing facts you don't want to hear or don't care about. Don't freak out and go quiet or run away with all your toys like an upset child.
Adults would say "sure I might have over paid but she is worth it" or "sure hotter girls are out there but I loved my time with her performance". Don't throw a tantrum if you don't care or want to hear something, let's all be adults.
The site is to expose scammers, expose over chargers, justify the extremes, share details/rules/limits, and you can brag about good times. Just don't get upset if your good time review has feedback.
LuvNHookers
12-28-22, 23:30
"Feedback" is not required unless requested. This site is about asking questions, finding girls, and reviewing them. If you like what you read about a girls looks, performance, activities, price, etc. Then see her. If not, then don't.
But saying "I wouldn't see her because she's too old, expensive, or whatever is just wasting bandwidth. Let’s be adults.
That's how personal preference works. We all have different tastes in providers than others and I tend to stick with the I know I can my money's worth from. Might not be others cup of tea and they want better quality and are willing to pay more for it. Understandable. It's just finding out what works for you. The providers I see may not be top notch at times, but they work in a pinch when I need them. To me, it's all about filling a hole when I need to.
Punisher94
01-13-23, 00:26
Have you noticed that when you're right in the area of a provider that you decide to contact, she'll tell you to give her 15 minutes so she can take a quick shower?
First off, my personal preference is dry warm skin. I also want the encounters to feel "spontaneous," as if you ran into a hygenic woman in the middle of the day and decided to make something happen on the spot. You don't get that with a freshly showered body.
Second, I question the personal hygiene practices of providers who have to do this. If I'm the first client if the day, then why didn't she already shower first thing after waking up? If I'm not the first client of the day, then why didn't she shower immediately after the previous client?
I know that right after I'm finished with a provider, I go straight into the bathroom right away to grab a clean washcloth and some soapy water or, if not available, then hopefully some wipes. If all else fails, then wet soapy toilet paper followed by dry. And then I shower first thing when I get home. I don't wait until I'm about to be around other people.
What gives?
Have you noticed that when you're right in the area of a provider that you decide to contact, she'll tell you to give her 15 minutes so she can take a quick shower?
First off, my personal preference is dry warm skin. I also want the encounters to feel "spontaneous," as if you ran into a hygenic woman in the middle of the day and decided to make something happen on the spot. You don't get that with a freshly showered body.
Second, I question the personal hygiene practices of providers who have to do this. If I'm the first client if the day, then why didn't she already shower first thing after waking up? If I'm not the first client of the day, then why didn't she shower immediately after the previous client?
I know that right after I'm finished with a provider, I go straight into the bathroom right away to grab a clean washcloth and some soapy water or, if not available, then hopefully some wipes. If all else fails, then wet soapy toilet paper followed by dry. And then I shower first thing when I get home. I don't wait until I'm about to be around other people.
What gives?Every provider says that. What they really are saying is 2 things.
1. They need to notify their handler / security / friends in the business in case your a crazy mofo.
2. They need to take a hit to get into the mood.
On the rare occasion its their actually taking a shower, which I embrace. The ones that are taking a shower might of had a busy day. Or they just woke up and their BF / handler just left (aka. just banged them out). At any rate The last thing I want is another dudes man juice on something I'm touching.
Punisher94
01-13-23, 07:09
On the rare occasion its their actually taking a shower, which I embrace. The ones that are taking a shower might of had a busy day. Or they just woke up and their BF / handler just left (aka. just banged them out). At any rate The last thing I want is another dudes man juice on something I'm touching.But that's the problem. What if that other dude put his "man juice" on her two hours ago? She's just now washing it off, because you called.
As men, we have "outties" that organic liquids easily air dry off of; and I still freshen up ASAP. You'd think it would at least be an equal priority for women, especially in their line of work.
ScottsMan17
01-15-23, 15:28
Whats the deal with the TA's at the Ballard ct location? It has been a 50/50 ordeal with them asking for a selfie or not (I never send a selfie). Additionaly, the girls at this location have been not exactly 10's, I mean I know they never are but a lot of these have been 2 or 3's at best and terrible performers. With that being said, there has been 2 of them that where awesome, Kiki she's younger big naturals and very playful (nips are super sensitive) and another one I didn't get the name but she was maybe 40's great body, super hairy Bush but she could DT with best and liked to get hammered in K9. The "handler" was a real dickhead last night, asked for selfie holding 2 fingers up, I said sorry can't do that then reminded them I had seen the girls 3 times before without a problem, handlers response was "fck you send selfie or leave" I didn't even respond, just left and went to old faithful AMP girl for my fix. I wish the handler was actually here and willing to meet, I'm sure I would change his attitude.
But that's the problem. What if that other dude put his "man juice" on her two hours ago? She's just now washing it off, because you called.
As men, we have "outties" that organic liquids easily air dry off of; and I still freshen up ASAP. You'd think it would at least be an equal priority for women, especially in their line of work.I get what your saying but what I was alluding to is the fact that by busy she might of been with someone less than an hour ago. And also you have to remember these girls place the monkey first nothing else. Well most of them. That's why you always strap up and don't kiss the girls.
Punisher94
02-04-23, 21:30
Does anyone here have that "grail" provider? That one you've always wanted to see, but maybe you have a hard time justifying her rates to yourself?
I think I'd say Ivy Marie or Star Demarco would be mine. What about everyone else?
Bigskykindaguy
03-06-23, 22:39
Does anyone here have that "grail" provider? That one you've always wanted to see, but maybe you have a hard time justifying her rates to yourself?
I think I'd say Ivy Marie or Star Demarco would be mine. What about everyone else?Probably Rachel Vegas. She's got the body type and service that I like (from what I've read anyhow) but there are enough out of town ladies with similar looks and service visiting at 400 that the extra 100 is just a bit too much for me
Perusing Eros and ran across this hot Latina, video vixen smoke show. Immediately my eyes light up, but I don't get my hopes up, especially in today's climate of chicks wanting more for doing less. I google the number to see if she has reviews and come across another ad on Adultsearch. $500/ hr, no BBBJ, no GFE, dafuk. Who do these girls think they are?
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/2953843.htm?cat=1
https://adultsearch.com/us/north-carolina/raleigh/female-escorts/3065174
https://callescort.org/267-917-0977
Why would anyone pay $500 for a covered BJ, no chance of kissing and more than likely one pop?
SubToDomme
03-20-23, 13:34
Probably Rachel Vegas. She's got the body type and service that I like (from what I've read anyhow) but there are enough out of town ladies with similar looks and service visiting at 400 that the extra 100 is just a bit too much for meDon't bother with Star DeMarco, IMHO. I would put Camila Marley at the top of the list. I have experienced this Grail but she has since priced me out of the market for FS. But boy does she come with legit great body, sexy lingerie, hair and makeup done and a good atitude. She does know what she has but doesn't act like it unless you overstep.
GiveItRaw10
04-20-23, 10:24
I've finally had it, rant for today!
This post is mainly for the providers, because we all know you come in here to read potential reviews. I've been punting for quite sometime, mainly in England, France, Australia, Asian Pacific package, but when I do punt here, I have never seen such ridiculous $$$ demands that providers of shit hole city's in the US are requesting. Seriously, what the hell green you be smoking to upcharge such an amount?! Straight up ridiculous!
Here is an example of ridiculous https://tryst.link/escort/chelsea-41.
1 k for an hour? No negotiation! Let's not forget the "screening" requirements that bipolar, drugged out, narcissistic providers require. You honestly believe that requiting a photo op from clients is for your own protection? There has been too many reports and incidents (me personally) of extortion, blackmail and even harmful threats from providers that "claim" to be professionals. You nasty girls want to act as if you are the only SW in the area!?
If you deem it necessary to demand a high influx in $$$ then be rest assured when provision time occurs, we doing some crazy ass shit, in which the menu and / or options of service is wide the fuck open! There is a lot more I have to say, but I'll leave it at that. This is my rant for today.
Spoiler alert the $1000 girls are not better, cleaner, or lower body count. They come from bigger cities where they can justify asking that much from idiots or they had an and idiot or two paid that much and therefore they think they're worth that much and they're not. An idiot buying a McDonald's $1 cheeseburger for $10, that is not suddenly a $10 cheeseburger, it's still a $1 cheeseburger.
Had top level South American models for under 400/500 consistently.
I've finally had it, rant for today!
This post is mainly for the providers, because we all know you come in here to read potential reviews. I've been punting for quite sometime, mainly in England, France, Australia, Asian Pacific package, but when I do punt here, I have never seen such ridiculous $$$ demands that providers of shit hole city's in the US are requesting. Seriously, what the hell green you be smoking to upcharge such an amount?! Straight up ridiculous!
Here is an example of ridiculous https://tryst.link/escort/chelsea-41.
1 k for an hour? No negotiation! Let's not forget the "screening" requirements that bipolar, drugged out, narcissistic providers require. You honestly believe that requiting a photo op from clients is for your own protection? There has been too many reports and incidents (me personally) of extortion, blackmail and even harmful threats from providers that "claim" to be professionals. You nasty girls want to act as if you are the only SW in the area!?
If you deem it necessary to demand a high influx in $$$ then be rest assured when provision time occurs, we doing some crazy ass shit, in which the menu and / or options of service is wide the fuck open! There is a lot more I have to say, but I'll leave it at that. This is my rant for today.
The overwhelming amount of scams I've read about on this board lately have me thinking the scene is dead here in Virginia for the time being. Most of the providers in this area now are deposit scammers using the same TextNow numbers over and over and it's to the point where I just want to hop out of this. I had one of those hit me up a little bit ago with an old regular's old phone number claiming to be her. I wish I could just go out here and find some SWs on the block like I used to.
Have you noticed that when you're right in the area of a provider that you decide to contact, she'll tell you to give her 15 minutes so she can take a quick shower?
First off, my personal preference is dry warm skin. I also want the encounters to feel "spontaneous," as if you ran into a hygenic woman in the middle of the day and decided to make something happen on the spot. You don't get that with a freshly showered body.
Second, I question the personal hygiene practices of providers who have to do this. If I'm the first client if the day, then why didn't she already shower first thing after waking up? If I'm not the first client of the day, then why didn't she shower immediately after the previous client?
I know that right after I'm finished with a provider, I go straight into the bathroom right away to grab a clean washcloth and some soapy water or, if not available, then hopefully some wipes. If all else fails, then wet soapy toilet paper followed by dry. And then I shower first thing when I get home. I don't wait until I'm about to be around other people.
What gives?1) These women are basically on call and available on a first come first serve basis, so while it's your preference that they be "spontaneous", I'm sure others like the fact that they do shower before the next appointment. And besides that, do you know how many dicks the average "call when you're ready" girl is taking per day / hour? Especially if the price is right for this area, I'm sure they get hundreds of calls and texts per day, even at a 10% success rate you got to figure it's in the double digits.
2) Women have different hormones, some like to shower in the morning before work, some prefer after work. I've had a few significant others who shower right after they wake up in the morning before getting ready for the day. Sweat and moisture throughout the night mixed with hormones can cause yeast infections.
3) I don't always take a full shower after I fuck, rather as you stated a wash off with a wash rag and warm soapy water or wtewipes will due. I suspect providers do the same, some refer to it as a "hoe bath", there words not mine. Most providers that I have had sessions with clean themselves while I am still there, so more than likely it's a stalling tactic.
What gives? Not all providers are actually "showering up", some may have double booked that time slot and give you that excuse so that you don't leave the parking lot, others may be giving enough time for whoever they have in the room to leave. I just had a session with a lady who basically talked my ear off about how some men talk her ear off and don't get the hint to leave when their times up. And some may only decide to shower when they know for certain you are there and have actually shown up for a session.
Well stated.
1) These women are basically on call and available on a first come first serve basis, so while it's your preference that they be "spontaneous", I'm sure others like the fact that they do shower before the next appointment. And besides that, do you know how many dicks the average "call when you're ready" girl is taking per day / hour? Especially if the price is right for this area, I'm sure they get hundreds of calls and texts per day, even at a 10% success rate you got to figure it's in the double digits.
2) Women have different hormones, some like to shower in the morning before work, some prefer after work. I've had a few significant others who shower right after they wake up in the morning before getting ready for the day. Sweat and moisture throughout the night mixed with hormones can cause yeast infections.
3) I don't always take a full shower after I fuck, rather as you stated a wash off with a wash rag and warm soapy water or wtewipes will due. I suspect providers do the same, some refer to it as a "hoe bath", there words not mine. Most providers that I have had sessions with clean themselves while I am still there, so more than likely it's a stalling tactic.
What gives? Not all providers are actually "showering up", some may have double booked that time slot and give you that excuse so that you don't leave the parking lot, others may be giving enough time for whoever they have in the room to leave. I just had a session with a lady who basically talked my ear off about how some men talk her ear off and don't get the hint to leave when their times up. And some may only decide to shower when they know for certain you are there and have actually shown up for a session.
Grumpyinva
05-01-23, 14:25
Girls who have a great first session or two, and you're thinking they need to be your next ATF, and then they hit you up with requests for advances on your next visit. One gal I was interested in actually asked me if I'd like to go out for lunch (somewhere reasonable, nothing crazy,) the next day, and I readily agreed (and also hit an ATM, figuring we'd have a regular session ahead of time,) and then, after I left, she started sending me a stream of pictures of her overdue bills, and hinting that she needed help. What the hell?? Another was the best first date I've had in a really long time, and I was planning to see her the same time next week, but she hit me up the next day asking for a cash advance. Umm, no thanks, no payday loans, here. I dropped her off of my call list for a couple of months, then reached out again, and, when our timing didn't work out, she asked if I'd mind contributing about twice as much as she tried to get before, as an advance on the hypothetical "next time". I always see those situations as the girl is either mistaking me for a sucker she can bleed dry, or has no intention of ever seeing me again.
Girls who open up with sky high prices, and pretend they're doing you a huge favor and drop down to reasonable, when you politely decline their GPS and wish them luck.
Girls who want you to pick up things for them before you arrive, or to drive them all over town for their errands, and try to lie about wanting to buy drugs. No, thanks, I'm not a free door dash, or a free taxi service.
Girls who you've seen regularly, who don't tell you they're on their period, and leave a hell of a mess.
Girls who you've seen regularly, who don't tell you they're on their period, but negotiate the same price as always, get the money, and then try to just do a speaking engagement.
Girls who know what the local market supports, and negotiate for a specific price that's just a little bit higher than normal (but not crazy high) for an all access pass, and, once the money is in their hands, pretend they thought it was just for a speaking engagement. (Bonus points if they saw you before at that same price, and did give you an all access pass.).
Girls who don't understand how to be sensual and bring you over the edge, but who instead think saying "hurry up" is a good plan, even when you tell them that's going to make it take longer, every time they say that.
Girls who keep you waiting "just a few more minutes" while they really aren't going to be ready for an hour, but they don't want to tell you that. (I recently had one who was one of those "call only when you're ready" and who agreed to the ETA, only to put me off for over a half an hour of "just about to walk out the door," until I left. Then she offered me a $20 "discount" by way of apology if I'd come back, even though we hadn't discussed any prices, yet. Yeah, no. Maybe offer a second cup of coffee, and a session extended by the same amount of time that you kept me waiting, and I might consider it.).
Girls who burn you in some way (rushed service, deliberate rudeness, stopping before we're finished, agrees to meet at a specific time and cancels or goes dark after you've driven 45 minutes,) and then try to reach back out in a few weeks, maybe hoping you forgot.
Girls who text you back 12 hours after you tried to schedule with them, and ask if you're still available.
Girls who, having earned an increase in their tips over time, start cutting back service while asking for bigger tips. Nope, it doesn't work that way, and don't act surprised when I drop you off of the rotation for trying that crap.
I know there are plenty more. Those are just the ones that annoy me, at the moment!
Girls who you've seen regularly, who don't tell you they're on their period, but negotiate the same price as always, get the money, and then try to just do a speaking engagement.
Thankfully while I've heard that one before, it's always been before any cash is on the table. One hit me with it during initial contact, and I responded something like "good thing I was a medic and blood doesn't bother me!" and was quickly ghosted. Felt like I dodged a bullet there.
Girls who don't understand how to be sensual and bring you over the edge, but who instead think saying "hurry up" is a good plan, even when you tell them that's going to make it take longer, every time they say that.
Or the good ol' "did you cum yet?" I fucking hate that.
Girls who burn you in some way (rushed service, deliberate rudeness, stopping before we're finished, agrees to meet at a specific time and cancels or goes dark after you've driven 45 minutes,) and then try to reach back out in a few weeks, maybe hoping you forgot.
I've literally got that from the aforementioned, "did you cum yet?" girl.
Girls who text you back 12 hours after you tried to schedule with them, and ask if you're still available.
As many times as I've had that happen, someone owes me a t-shirt for it, LOL.
Girls who, having earned an increase in their tips over time, start cutting back service while asking for bigger tips. Nope, it doesn't work that way, and don't act surprised when I drop you off of the rotation for trying that crap.
Equally, I hate when they ask for a tip. I had this one girl who kept moving around during the visit, and not in a good way. Every time it started getting good, she'd abruptly move or decide she wanted to change positions, and not in a sexy, prolong-the-visit kind of way. As I was departing she says, "you got a tip for me baby?" Of course she hit me up a few months later like I didn't remember the experience.
Whats up with MIA Salty, miss his stories along with autographed pics?
Just a heads up, many of why'all are overpaying out of not knowing the market or being fools. Been getting 20-50 less then what girls are asking for because most guys are yes men to demands.
Average girls start asking 120 (honestly should be 100 but inflation) but don't let them ask 130-160 as false markup. Don't pay absolute trailer trash or fat whales average girl prices they ask because they bring less. An average girl is not obese, tweaking, giving you attitude, or gross to look at naked. Go for lesser women if you don't care but don't pay full retail for 2nd hand used goods. Offer less and they take it because they know their worth and where they fail in quality.
Even with above average face girls, don't pay them above average prices if excessive scars, extra fat, and baby damage. If she fat and damaged she is not above average! If she is dirty, she is not above average.
Girls ask but men paying set the prices! If clean fit Columbian models ask 200/300/400, the trailer trash and hood rats should not be asking the same or more. Know the areas market and take big city girls down a few pegs because ain't nobody worth 500 when top level girls are got at 400.
If you respond to this with "I don't care" or "shut up", you are the problem. You paying $10 for a $1 cheeseburger does not make you right, her better, or you not being scammed. You can rob and scam people who are happy or don't realize it but they are just idiots. It's not a personal attack to point out you are a fool or been scammed so don't take it that way. Just pay fare market value for our area and don't let's girls boss you around because you are as thirsty as her. Don't cheat them or be mean but you have control not them!
Don't bother with Star DeMarco, IMHO. I would put Camila Marley at the top of the list. I have experienced this Grail but she has since priced me out of the market for FS. But boy does she come with legit great body, sexy lingerie, hair and makeup done and a good atitude. She does know what she has but doesn't act like it unless you overstep.Petite MILF with an extreme attitude. FS was OK but with a "God's gift to men" attitude. Wasn't sure if privates would remain intact if imaginary line was crossed. Remove the makeup, plastic nails and time in the business has taken it's toll. Significantly better options avail at that price point with a better feeling leaving with everything you came in with.
https://tryst.link/escort/camilamarley
Just a heads up, many of why'all are overpaying out of not knowing the market or being fools. Been getting 20-50 less then what girls are asking for because most guys are yes men to demands.
Average girls start asking 120 (honestly should be 100 but inflation) but don't let them ask 130-160 as false markup. Don't pay absolute trailer trash or fat whales average girl prices they ask because they bring less. An average girl is not obese, tweaking, giving you attitude, or gross to look at naked. Go for lesser women if you don't care but don't pay full retail for 2nd hand used goods. Offer less and they take it because they know their worth and where they fail in quality.
Even with above average face girls, don't pay them above average prices if excessive scars, extra fat, and baby damage. If she fat and damaged she is not above average! If she is dirty, she is not above average.
Girls ask but men paying set the prices! If clean fit Columbian models ask 200/300/400, the trailer trash and hood rats should not be asking the same or more. Know the areas market and take big city girls down a few pegs because ain't nobody worth 500 when top level girls are got at 400.
If you respond to this with "I don't care" or "shut up", you are the problem. You paying $10 for a $1 cheeseburger does not make you right, her better, or you not being scammed. You can rob and scam people who are happy or don't realize it but they are just idiots. It's not a personal attack to point out you are a fool or been scammed so don't take it that way. Just pay fare market value for our area and don't let's girls boss you around because you are as thirsty as her. Don't cheat them or be mean but you have control not them!The problem is you have some of these mongers out here who aren't on these boards that are the ones driving these prices up. They go out here desperate and go straight for the trailer trash and hood rats and pay Tryst and Eros prices to these women and then we have to deal with the aftermath. It's making these girls either lazy, scammers, or set ups for robberies because they just don't want to do the actual work anymore unless they get far above what they're actually worth, and that's the reason why this whole area has been dried up and dead lately. I miss the providers of the past. Even when they had Backpage and Craigslist still around, those women still knew how to make money and put the work in and not overprice themselves out of the market. They didn't do deposits, they didn't run scams. They just put in good old fashioned work.
The ones paying these deposits don't realize that if she even asks for a small number, it's still a risk. A 25 deposit over 3 guys is 100. She can easily make off with that and change her number. Deposits are ONLY reserved for those that are actually worthy of it. Not your local drugged out provider.
STOP PAYING DEPOSITS.
If there was a like button my phone would be broken because of the amount of times I'd push that thing for the post below.
The ones paying these deposits don't realize that if she even asks for a small number, it's still a risk. A 25 deposit over 3 guys is 100. She can easily make off with that and change her number. Deposits are ONLY reserved for those that are actually worthy of it. Not your local drugged out provider.
STOP PAYING DEPOSITS.
If there was a like button my phone would be broken because of the amount of times I'd push that thing for the post below.My finger slipped up and I thought I pressed 4.
Punisher94
07-15-23, 18:51
I don't know how to describe it. It's certainly not a pleasant smell, but it's not BO. But the provider's room always smells like it. Whenever I get my own room somewhere, my room never has that smell.
I noticed something. I drive for Lyft. Whenever I pick up people from cheap motels who appear to living a transient life, I notice that smell on them. The last provider I saw (Suffolk BBW) has that smell at her place, and it wasn't at a motel. She appeared to be renting a room out of a house.
You know who I never experience that smell with? TA's.
Does anyone here know what I'm talking about? If so, what is it? Is it "megadeth" (minus a few of the middle letters)?
Bairen Nanhai
07-18-23, 09:56
The ones paying these deposits don't realize that if she even asks for a small number, it's still a risk. A 25 deposit over 3 guys is 100. She can easily make off with that and change her number. Deposits are ONLY reserved for those that are actually worthy of it. Not your local drugged out provider.
STOP PAYING DEPOSITS.$25 x3=$100 🤔.
SnaggedAride
07-18-23, 13:16
Is this only me feeling AMP girls massage quality is poor than before Covid. Price hikes and their service quality is stepping backward.
Bairen Nanhai
07-27-23, 13:17
Is this only me feeling AMP girls massage quality is poor than before Covid. Price hikes and their service quality is stepping backward.I'd agree. Even my long time solid massage only providers have declined. I would often get a legit massage then head to another spot and skip massage altogether for more fun. Sometimes, my providers will try to pass me off to new girls. Sometimes this pays off, and sometimes not, but I'm usually game. I will say that I am tight with many of these ladies, and I spend way more than I want to admit for my addiction. Many have come down with health problems since getting the jab, and now they no longer have the same strength or stamina. It's sad to see. Some of these providers I have been with for nearly a decade now. They were always solid before. Many other girls are just lazy out the gate, or some get used to you and just start taking you for granted. Massaging half heartedly with one hand while the other plays with their cell phone. When that happens, I back off until they start asking me to come back, then I see if they will recommit to their craft. If not, I move on. There are still stellar performers out there. I have some that give great massages and some that give great FS, even BBFS, but it's really hard to get everything in one package. If they are good at extras, the massage is lacking, and if the massage is good, you may not get much in extras. But hey, there is still the thrill of the hunt. It's never a total loss.
Bairen.
Member #6489
07-27-23, 16:39
I'd agree. Even my long time solid massage only providers have declined. I would often get a legit massage then head to another spot and skip massage altogether for more fun. Sometimes, my providers will try to pass me off to new girls. Sometimes this pays off, and sometimes not, but I'm usually game. I will say that I am tight with many of these ladies, and I spend way more than I want to admit for my addiction. Many have come down with health problems since getting the jab, and now they no longer have the same strength or stamina. It's sad to see. Some of these providers I have been with for nearly a decade now. They were always solid before. Many other girls are just lazy out the gate, or some get used to you and just start taking you for granted. Massaging half heartedly with one hand while the other plays with their cell phone. When that happens, I back off until they start asking me to come back, then I see if they will recommit to their craft. If not, I move on. There are still stellar performers out there. I have some that give great massages and some that give great FS, even BBFS, but it's really hard to get everything in one package. If they are good at extras, the massage is lacking, and if the massage is good, you may not get much in extras. But hey, there is still the thrill of the hunt. It's never a total loss.
Bairen.First, I agree with Bairen about posting too much on here. I lost a great AMP go to because I posted too much and her MMS fired her. It's not important that you know shit that we would like to know. It's important that they be around for more pleasure. PM is the way to go.
Also, I agree Snagged and Bairen. Quality is a challenge. And Especially to get it all in one package. I had one go to that was both (IMHO) but she fell off my radar when she gamed me and opted to offer then reneged after payment and at the same time was on her phone for much of my session. Time to move on. She's a guaranteed FS but when she is too distracted. NAH!
What I like is the hunt.
I have a great relationship at home and she encourages me to go AMP when she isn't in the mood. I don't tell her everything or every time but it's open to discussion. We are both MTs so it's all good. She has enhanced her skills in healing massage. She is not in this groups wheel house.
Some times I just like to see what's available so I stop into an AMP that I know doesn't take cards or is mid day and I can say I am working. I check out the providers first impressions. If I like, I ask to see the room or the table shower then negotiate extras back there away from lobby cameras. A little tweak of the nipple or squeeze of the butt maybe more to see if there is playfulness. If she squeezes first, I know I can be in the right place. If good I may stay or say after work. If not I offer my card and they say cash only so I leave. I have found a few fun places that way. In the back you can negotiate anything and agree on a price before getting to a room.
I'm a little bored with AMPs right now so I am cruising CL and STG and others. If there is no personality after texting my inquiry, I usually ignore. I found a good one on CL that likes to talk / text. I will try her out this weekend.
Father Glucose
08-09-23, 11:29
I mean, I knew that some of them kept working on their cycle, just because how do you post ads EVERY day? But for those of us that didn't consider it, here's how some of the ladies get away with working when their Aunt Flow is in town. Also had a provider tell me one time they "used to" use sponges to hide it from clients.
https://twitter.com/heauxcultleader/status/1689037879341641728?s=61&t=QEENTbzKkauY9ZKgLqSZQA
HenryHumpton
08-09-23, 16:50
That never bothered me, I have my red-wings.
GiveItRaw10
08-14-23, 22:26
How many have been been given an "indirect" threat by an anon?
There's also a thing called a menstrual cup, honestly there's lots of ways around it. Blood doesn't bother me, but it's all the more reason to never go bare as the presence of blood increases the chance of getting HepC or HIV well over what would be the normal risk level.
I mean, I knew that some of them kept working on their cycle, just because how do you post ads EVERY day? But for those of us that didn't consider it, here's how some of the ladies get away with working when their Aunt Flow is in town. Also had a provider tell me one time they "used to" use sponges to hide it from clients.
https://twitter.com/heauxcultleader/status/1689037879341641728?s=61&t=QEENTbzKkauY9ZKgLqSZQA
GiveItRaw10
08-17-23, 22:05
Lurkers on this platform piss me off! Especially the fks that pretend to hold water. Fk these bitches! I ain't a troll, I ain't a lurker and insure as shit aint against the SW business. But this area (757) is filled with local POS tards with nasty drugged out sluts that advertise to promote a straight up robbery and scam (knock on your door while you in progress with the girl, staying in parking lot taking video of you when girl open door then send extortion) Yall motherfuckers just continue to promote this bullshit out of these pathetic fks. Receipts, receipts, receipts! Got it all on you lurkers on this platform promoting scamming encounters. Fk yall!
ScottsMan17
08-18-23, 13:09
Lurkers on this platform piss me off! Especially the fks that pretend to hold water. Fk these bitches! I ain't a troll, I ain't a lurker and insure as shit aint against the SW business. But this area (757) is filled with local POS tards with nasty drugged out sluts that advertise to promote a straight up robbery and scam (knock on your door while you in progress with the girl, staying in parking lot taking video of you when girl open door then send extortion) Yall motherfuckers just continue to promote this bullshit out of these pathetic fks. Receipts, receipts, receipts! Got it all on you lurkers on this platform promoting scamming encounters. Fk yall!Damn bro, you need a hug?
GiveItRaw10
08-18-23, 22:30
Damn bro, you need a hug?Brother, I ain't a dick, I ain't a scammer and I sure as shit not trying to fuck anyone over. I will never provide a url on a post for fellow professionals on this site to click on. I will either screenshot the photo / web page of the provider and upload it. Motherfucking pussies and POS lurkers / exposures will copy a Url (of that provider) and post it on here hoping that fellow mongers will click on that very URL (which has been programed to connect to your IP address, and even what monitoring components you are using) one reason why some of those links turn up with no results on the site / url. " Don't click on urls!
ScottsMan17
08-19-23, 09:59
Brother, I ain't a dick, I ain't a scammer and I sure as shit not trying to fuck anyone over. I will never provide a url on a post for fellow professionals on this site to click on. I will either screenshot the photo / web page of the provider and upload it. Motherfucking pussies and POS lurkers / exposures will copy a Url (of that provider) and post it on here hoping that fellow mongers will click on that very URL (which has been programed to connect to your IP address, and even what monitoring components you are using) one reason why some of those links turn up with no results on the site / url. " Don't click on urls!Ok, now that's useful info. I generally never click on links unless its from a none entity. Never thought about how those links could be used for nefarious means. I also don't worry about being blackmailed, No wife, no job fully retired and my girl is down with the game.
GiveItRaw10
09-12-23, 20:33
Deciding to take a trip to Columbia. Has anybody been? Kink friendly?
Raw.
So, my job has been all consuming for the last year and half. There have been very few occasions when I've had the time to play. When those rare occasions pop up, the only ladies available (Eros or Tryst, I don't see STG ladies) have fake tits, which I loath or they are thick or just plan large with a shaved snatch🤬. A pussy pooch is a complete visual turnoff to me! Not that I would spend my money on a thick chick even if their snatch wasn't shaved, but Damn! I don't even want to see that or rock hard man-mades. Where are all of the natural breasted thin women? Even if my schedule doesn't allow me to partake, at least the window shopping would be pleasant.
GolfBall1.
Father Glucose
09-20-23, 11:29
No BBJ, which I can live with, but no CBJ either! Her kitty must be the golden sunshine of paradise! I'll never find out though.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Virginia/Virginia-Beach/Millianreasons69
The fact that these boards are empty constantly should tell you everything you need to know about this scene in this area right now. A lot of the time, it's AMPs I've been seeing reports on and that's where the majority of the dollars is going to here. I'm sure there's a market for these girls somewhere if they want to charge $$+ every night, but if you're making your way to STG off of sites like Tryst, or Eros, something tells me you're not getting anywhere near the asking price. Until this place gets it together, I'll just continue with the AMPs.
BeachLuver888
09-30-23, 10:56
The fact that these boards are empty constantly should tell you everything you need to know about this scene in this area right now. A lot of the time, it's AMPs I've been seeing reports on and that's where the majority of the dollars is going to here. I'm sure there's a market for these girls somewhere if they want to charge $$+ every night, but if you're making your way to STG off of sites like Tryst, or Eros, something tells me you're not getting anywhere near the asking price. Until this place gets it together, I'll just continue with the AMPs.Ha. You and I just talked about this. I think it's more the cost and how scams have become the latest due to the new generation. These ones that run the deposit scam are ridiculous and cost the good ones business in my opinion.
I see all of the girls that were previously reviewed poorly are the main ones returning to STG. It's becoming a scammers economy on that site and I need to find some alternatives. I can't even see these girls getting any business with all of the catfishing, ghosting, and deposit scams they're running. Streetwalkers 20 years ago had more drive and hustle than this new generation today. This is awful and it's just better to save your money at this point.
I see all of the girls that were previously reviewed poorly are the main ones returning to STG. It's becoming a scammers economy on that site and I need to find some alternatives. I can't even see these girls getting any business with all of the catfishing, ghosting, and deposit scams they're running. Streetwalkers 20 years ago had more drive and hustle than this new generation today. This is awful and it's just better to save your money at this point.I agree with you 100%. These girls want WAY too much $$ post phots that are decades old, want too much info, will ghost you, ect. I have found myself using the AMP's lately. At least you know what your getting with them. I never thought the years of riding around looking for a SW would be the "golden years" LOL, but yea they were.
Seems as if the girls don't pay attention to the site they post on.
Should be all games not skip the games.
Seem one long time worker who will allow any dik in her but not a finger.
Fts.
I agree with you 100%. These girls want WAY too much $$ post phots that are decades old, want too much info, will ghost you, ect. I have found myself using the AMP's lately. At least you know what your getting with them. I never thought the years of riding around looking for a SW would be the "golden years" LOL, but yea they were.There's too much low tier charging high tier prices. I think if there was a collective "ban" on these providers doing that, it would shift. Wishful thinking though.
Communication in this place is the absolute worst. Is there some kind of trick to get these girls to respond, or is there just a certain time of the day where they respond? Sent out texts to 3 different WGs trying to setup a meetup, no answers. I wish we had girls in this area that have some kind of spirit of the hustle to just put in work.
I posted an ad link last month about a provider asking if anyone had a session with or had info on her. What I got back was a whole bunch of nonsense about what I should and shouldn't do when it comes to seeing providers. "Too much money, stop over paying, etc. ," Save the preaching, if you haven't visited or have no info, don't reply, simple. Over the years I've seen a huge decline in reviewing and an uptick in dudes just vomiting words on their keyboards like they know it all.
Maybe the education and calling out fools doing foolish behavior isn't for you but for the people that casually reading the site or new people don't know any better. There's an easily provable pattern of idiots and people that don't care, you come off as somebody who doesn't care about breaking the rules and if you don't care it might be best not to criticize the message that doesn't apply to you or you don't care about.
If you are making poor choices and don't care about the criticism, just ignore them. There are plenty of reviews and if you can't find a review, it typically means there's bad rules in practice from one or both parties buying or selling. Coming from a sales background, there's more idiots that need knowledge or guidance than you think, and repetition fixes a lot of problems because those people in numbers impact everyone. Plus messages of best practices get buried just as easily as reviews do so need refresher to be up front.
I posted an ad link last month about a provider asking if anyone had a session with or had info on her. What I got back was a whole bunch of nonsense about what I should and shouldn't do when it comes to seeing providers. "Too much money, stop over paying, etc. ," Save the preaching, if you haven't visited or have no info, don't reply, simple. Over the years I've seen a huge decline in reviewing and an uptick in dudes just vomiting words on their keyboards like they know it all.
LuvNHookers
11-07-23, 01:57
I posted an ad link last month about a provider asking if anyone had a session with or had info on her. What I got back was a whole bunch of nonsense about what I should and shouldn't do when it comes to seeing providers. "Too much money, stop over paying, etc. ," Save the preaching, if you haven't visited or have no info, don't reply, simple. Over the years I've seen a huge decline in reviewing and an uptick in dudes just vomiting words on their keyboards like they know it all.This right here!!
Let's get back to delivering facts about visits, not opinions.
Bigskykindaguy
11-09-23, 00:24
I don't know if this falls under the category of a rant or just a query but it seems like the vast majority of touring providers bypass the hampton roads area in favor of Richmond and Tysons Corner and was just curious as to why others feel this happens??
I know we get some who will pass through the area but it feels like the majority of high end providers who tour VA just skip us and with skipthegames and listcrawler choices being absolutely abysmal these days it's kinda aggravating.
I feel like for the most part Hampton Roads has been unfairly categorized as being a cheap market from providers who don't understand the area and quite frankly are not really interested in providing quality service for a reasonable donation but what do I know.
Thoughts?
Versatilepg
11-10-23, 00:26
It's the GPS of them. We don't over pay here and you shouldn't. Always remember these same high end providers are letting someone hit for free or a cheeseburger.
Let them go somewhere else or drive 2 or 3 hrs for them. Unless these high end girls are GFE or apart of the bb gang it's not worth the crazy tryst 500-1000 rates.
Maybe the education and calling out fools doing foolish behavior isn't for you but for the people that casually reading the site or new people don't know any better. There's an easily provable pattern of idiots and people that don't care, you come off as somebody who doesn't care about breaking the rules and if you don't care it might be best not to criticize the message that doesn't apply to you or you don't care about.
If you are making poor choices and don't care about the criticism, just ignore them. There are plenty of reviews and if you can't find a review, it typically means there's bad rules in practice from one or both parties buying or selling. Coming from a sales background, there's more idiots that need knowledge or guidance than you think, and repetition fixes a lot of problems because those people in numbers impact everyone. Plus messages of best practices get buried just as easily as reviews do so need refresher to be up front.Education? What are you, a Professor of Hoeology? If a dude on here is a senior member then he most likely has been around the block and seen enough to know better. If they're not a senior member, then they know enough to seek out the information needed for their purpose, and guess what the other percentage is, guys that don't give two shits about your opinion or anyone else's opinion because they have enough bank to waste their money where and however they want. This is a local review board, not a financial literacy board. I seen 200+ girls whether it was on BP, CL, ********, and have accounts on TER, P411, Eccie, PD, etc, if I can't find a review on any of those other sites, then I come here. What I don't come here for is to hear you or guys like you state the obvious about not overpaying for hookers. I know not to overpay for hookers, I have my limits, and I'm sure others do as well. If somebody legit asks a question "Should I see this providers for X dollars for X amount of time with a menu of X,why, and Z (more than likely that won't be a senior member). Then cool, chime in, give advice, but if it's just a post asking "has anyone seen this girl, and you haven't seen her then keep your comments to yourself. You're not going to reinvent the wheel here. Like I said before, guys used to post here all the time, then here you come with your opinions on what people should be spending and it's brought down the morale of the board to the point we don't even see those guys posting anymore.
I don't know if this falls under the category of a rant or just a query but it seems like the vast majority of touring providers bypass the hampton roads area in favor of Richmond and Tysons Corner and was just curious as to why others feel this happens??
I know we get some who will pass through the area but it feels like the majority of high end providers who tour VA just skip us and with skipthegames and listcrawler choices being absolutely abysmal these days it's kinda aggravating.
I feel like for the most part Hampton Roads has been unfairly categorized as being a cheap market from providers who don't understand the area and quite frankly are not really interested in providing quality service for a reasonable donation but what do I know.
Thoughts?If the location is worth touring, meaning they stand to make a substantial profit then they will visit. If not, they won't, simple as that. I'd like to think that part of it is that collectively, we as a whole (the clients) don't spend big on bs providers here. And the Provider / service quality has been trash here for the last 2-3 years. So HR isn't a hotspot for top tier providers to come and make bank, but who knows. But I'm sure profits aren't outrageous like they may be in Richmond, and Tysons Corner is just self explanatory. There's just alot more opportunities to make more money in those areas than it may be here. Before, we could survive off a few gems from BP, but they took that away so really it's either get lucky or travel outside the area to see quality.
Education? What are you, a Professor of Hoeology? If a dude on here is a senior member then he most likely has been around the block and seen enough to know better. If they're not a senior member, then they know enough to seek out the information needed for their purpose, and guess what the other percentage is, guys that don't give two shits about your opinion or anyone else's opinion because they have enough bank to waste their money where and however they want. This is a local review board, not a financial literacy board. I seen 200+ girls whether it was on BP, CL, ********, and have accounts on TER, P411, Eccie, PD, etc, if I can't find a review on any of those other sites, then I come here. What I don't come here for is to hear you or guys like you state the obvious about not overpaying for hookers. I know not to overpay for hookers, I have my limits, and I'm sure others do as well. If somebody legit asks a question "Should I see this providers for X dollars for X amount of time with a menu of X,why, and Z (more than likely that won't be a senior member). Then cool, chime in, give advice, but if it's just a post asking "has anyone seen this girl, and you haven't seen her then keep your comments to yourself. You're not going to reinvent the wheel here. Like I said before, guys used to post here all the time, then here you come with your opinions on what people should be spending and it's brought down the morale of the board to the point we don't even see those guys posting anymore.Exactly. I only come here for the basic info: Who's available, are they legit or a scammer, and if it's worth the time and effort to contact them. Anything else, I disregard.
MisterNova
11-15-23, 13:09
Exactly. I only come here for the basic info: Who's available, are they legit or a scammer, and if it's worth the time and effort to contact them. Anything else, I disregard.Main reason I use these boards is to find out which girls are real. Message boards work great for that.
ScottsMan17
11-15-23, 22:44
Main reason I use these boards is to find out which girls are real. Message boards work great for that.Couldn't agree more! As a Doctor of hoeology with deep pockets and a lot of free time, I will do what I want, pay what I think its worth to me and if that bothers you. Well that's not my problem.
If you are on here and it upsets you when it's pointed out that a 304 is over selling a $1 cheese burger for $20 is stupid or you buying a $1 cheese burger for $20 is stupid, toughen up buttercup. Nobody cares if you're happy wasting money or you brag that you can afford overspending money, plus that doesn't make either act any less stupid.
Somebody pointing out something stupid is not a personal attack.
Doing something stupid or supporting something stupid does impact others and messes up the market.
You hearing something said before might annoy you but it's not meant for you.
If you truly don't care about a discussion, stop commenting about it. Probably not for you.
If you only cared about reviews, you would be on her review board, not a discussion board. Feedback, tips, and calling out bad habits you don't care or agree with happen in discussion boards.
LuvNHookers
11-16-23, 01:19
Somebody pointing out something stupid is not a personal attack.
Since "stupid" is an opinion, it is nothing but a personal attack. How a girl sets her rates and what a guy feels like paying is between them. If the rates are too high then move on. Don't whine about it. It's an unflattering look.
We get high quality but it's all them chasing greed. Your standard $80-100 304 here could get hundreds in New York just because the market. She is still that cheap 304 but it's all about demand and idiots who overpay. That is proven with more availability in NY yet prices don't drop.
You can always find high quality but less here than DC, less in DC than NY. Just a numbers game.
Richmond ain't really money but might have more whales that do stupid spending practices. Just remember the market is not set by the seller but by the buyer and the people that actually pay what's being asked.
No P is worth more than $500 and when that NY 304 comes in to town asking $1000 they get humbled real quick. The funny part is they actually realize this after the fact and they will lower prices. These facts although true, are enough for now because I'm sure somebody's going to be triggering and complain.
I don't know if this falls under the category of a rant or just a query but it seems like the vast majority of touring providers bypass the hampton roads area in favor of Richmond and Tysons Corner and was just curious as to why others feel this happens??
I know we get some who will pass through the area but it feels like the majority of high end providers who tour VA just skip us and with skipthegames and listcrawler choices being absolutely abysmal these days it's kinda aggravating.
I feel like for the most part Hampton Roads has been unfairly categorized as being a cheap market from providers who don't understand the area and quite frankly are not really interested in providing quality service for a reasonable donation but what do I know.
Thoughts?
Stupid is an action, not an opinion. If you're paying $1 for a $20 cheeseburger, you may not feel stupid. You may be proud to do it because it tastes good but it's still stupid to do it and that's no option. Be proud of it if you want but don't get upset when people point it out. That's not a personal attack.
Since "stupid" is an opinion, it is nothing but a personal attack. How a girl sets her rates and what a guy feels like paying is between them. If the rates are too high then move on. Don't whine about it. It's an unflattering look.
LuvNHookers
11-16-23, 07:03
Stupid is an action, not an opinion. If you're paying $1 for a $20 cheeseburger, you may not feel stupid. You may be proud to do it because it tastes good but it's still stupid to do it and that's no option. Be proud of it if you want but don't get upset when people point it out. That's not a personal attack.Still your opinion and nothing but. If a guy pays a girls rates, that's between him and her. None of your business. If a girl charges too much then move on. Maybe get a regular girlfriend instead of dealing with escorts. Just stop whining.
Stupid is an action, not an opinion. If you're paying $1 for a $20 cheeseburger, you may not feel stupid. You may be proud to do it because it tastes good but it's still stupid to do it and that's no option. Be proud of it if you want but don't get upset when people point it out. That's not a personal attack."If you're paying $1 for a $20 cheeseburger, you may not feel stupid" "ou may be proud to do it because it tastes good but it's still stupid to do it" That's not stupid at all, you just got a $20 cheeseburger for $1. A deal is in the eye of the beholder. A deal to me is MSOG, BBBJ, Kissing for $400/ hr or 250/ hh with BBBJ / Kissing, etc. If she bad enough I might pay 500/ hr, but that's just me. A bad deal is 400/ hr, CBJ, no kissing, with 1 pop, I don't go for that. But I certainly won't hop on here and attempt to chastise a dude for taking the deal that suits him best. And unless you're directly tapped in with the 304's, or you got a stable of them where you can influence them to lower the prices, what is your point?
It was backwards but it was late. LOL Ya know what I mean though.
Making stupid actions is never an opinion. It's not my opinion that touching a stove is idiotic. It could be off, it could be on low heat so it doesn't hurt, or you may not care if you get burnt, but it's still a stupid action no matter what the outcome or your feelings. At no point was making a foolish choice just the opinion of the observer.
Like I said, just because you don't care doesn't change reality or facts. The whining is not pointing out the stupid actions or warning people to stop, the whining is the constant complaining every time somebody does not want to hear they are making stupid actions.
Still your opinion and nothing but. If a guy pays a girls rates, that's between him and her. None of your business. If a girl charges too much then move on. Maybe get a regular girlfriend instead of dealing with escorts. Just stop whining.
Mongermonger
11-16-23, 19:37
He wants to hammer away at everyone in the hopes that we will all follow his instructions and have an affect on the market in aggregated in the direction he wants the market to take. Almost as annoying as a fundy preacher trying to constantly tell you how to live you life. The ignore list is your friend.
MonMon.
"If you're paying $1 for a $20 cheeseburger, you may not feel stupid" "ou may be proud to do it because it tastes good but it's still stupid to do it" That's not stupid at all, you just got a $20 cheeseburger for $1. A deal is in the eye of the beholder. A deal to me is MSOG, BBBJ, Kissing for $400/ hr or 250/ hh with BBBJ / Kissing, etc. If she bad enough I might pay 500/ hr, but that's just me. A bad deal is 400/ hr, CBJ, no kissing, with 1 pop, I don't go for that. But I certainly won't hop on here and attempt to chastise a dude for taking the deal that suits him best. And unless you're directly tapped in with the 304's, or you got a stable of them where you can influence them to lower the prices, what is your point?
1) I hit up this one with all the initial info that she wanted. She responded back, and after some back and forth (I was at work) I got back to her about 20 minutes later, crickets. Called, crickets.
https://tryst.link/escort/simone9-
2) This one was referred to me when I reached out to another chick I was trying to see. I asked her simple questions, "Do you have any ads, do you have any reviews?" Her response was "Yes I have an ad, I'm not sure about reviews but you can google my number and see what pops up" Mf, your rate is $400/ hr, how don't you know if you have reviews or ads. Keep in mind this ad I posted is the only ad I found and it was after I googled her number.
https://callescort.org/202-202-5540
3) I saw her ad on PD, googled the number and found one reference to her having an attitude. Still I hit her up and she said she would be in town after 5 pm. Rates look decent and she has a look about her. I asked her a simple question, will you be in town tomorrow. Immediately out comes the attitude " Are you trying to make an appointment? If so you can pay deposit for timeslot tomorrow, if not just contact me when you're ready. " Damn, all I did was ask a question, and if you're that rude over the phone then I can just imagine how rude you are in person.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Virginia/Norfolk/VioletFlore
These mfs are in the wrong line of work.
1) I hit up this one with all the initial info that she wanted. She responded back, and after some back and forth (I was at work) I got back to her about 20 minutes later, crickets. Called, crickets.
https://tryst.link/escort/simone9-
2) This one was referred to me when I reached out to another chick I was trying to see. I asked her simple questions, "Do you have any ads, do you have any reviews?" Her response was "Yes I have an ad, I'm not sure about reviews but you can google my number and see what pops up" Mf, your rate is $400/ hr, how don't you know if you have reviews or ads. Keep in mind this ad I posted is the only ad I found and it was after I googled her number.
https://callescort.org/202-202-5540
3) I saw her ad on PD, googled the number and found one reference to her having an attitude. Still I hit her up and she said she would be in town after 5 pm. Rates look decent and she has a look about her. I asked her a simple question, will you be in town tomorrow. Immediately out comes the attitude " Are you trying to make an appointment? If so you can pay deposit for timeslot tomorrow, if not just contact me when you're ready. " Damn, all I did was ask a question, and if you're that rude over the phone then I can just imagine how rude you are in person.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Virginia/Norfolk/VioletFlore
These mfs are in the wrong line of work.These girls just need to break down and get in school for a new career or what not. Clearly this shit isn't for them, but they think they can make a quick buck operating out here like this. It's sad nowadays cause all the good providers have either died or moved to another city. I think it's just time to pull back for a while.
ImNotKevin
12-05-23, 17:43
1) I hit up this one with all the initial info that she wanted. She responded back, and after some back and forth (I was at work) I got back to her about 20 minutes later, crickets. Called, crickets.
https://tryst.link/escort/simone9-
2) This one was referred to me when I reached out to another chick I was trying to see. I asked her simple questions, "Do you have any ads, do you have any reviews?" Her response was "Yes I have an ad, I'm not sure about reviews but you can google my number and see what pops up" Mf, your rate is $400/ hr, how don't you know if you have reviews or ads. Keep in mind this ad I posted is the only ad I found and it was after I googled her number.
https://callescort.org/202-202-5540
3) I saw her ad on PD, googled the number and found one reference to her having an attitude. Still I hit her up and she said she would be in town after 5 pm. Rates look decent and she has a look about her. I asked her a simple question, will you be in town tomorrow. Immediately out comes the attitude " Are you trying to make an appointment? If so you can pay deposit for timeslot tomorrow, if not just contact me when you're ready. " Damn, all I did was ask a question, and if you're that rude over the phone then I can just imagine how rude you are in person.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Virginia/Norfolk/VioletFlore
These mfs are in the wrong line of work.Its always the "pretty" ones wanting something for nothing. And by pretty, I mean the hoes who slather on makeup, fake eyelashes, etc etc take these weak ass glamour shots. Theyre ALWAYS the ones quoting somethinf stupid like 140 or 200 for a qv.
Some of the most naturally beautiful and very open menu girls I've seen are at the 100 qv 200 hr mark.
You guys unfortunately want to giv3 up. You just have to keep your principles in mind and hammer through the bs. I see girls like the ones in these ads and simply want nothing to do with them. They want you to compensate for the ton of makeup and chemical hair dos that are required to make them look less like oscar the grouch.
I'm always doing my hw so if you want to PM me I have some G14 classified hoes I refuse to share with some of our ungrateful brethren on these threads.
Its always the "pretty" ones wanting something for nothing. And by pretty, I mean the hoes who slather on makeup, fake eyelashes, etc etc take these weak ass glamour shots. Theyre ALWAYS the ones quoting somethinf stupid like 140 or 200 for a qv.
Some of the most naturally beautiful and very open menu girls I've seen are at the 100 qv 200 hr mark.
You guys unfortunately want to giv3 up. You just have to keep your principles in mind and hammer through the bs. I see girls like the ones in these ads and simply want nothing to do with them. They want you to compensate for the ton of makeup and chemical hair dos that are required to make them look less like oscar the grouch.
I'm always doing my hw so if you want to PM me I have some G14 classified hoes I refuse to share with some of our ungrateful brethren on these threads.I'm not entirely giving up altogether, but this new generation of girls are a huge reason I'm not as active now. I get more from these AMPs than I do these girls, and it's kinda sad really.
River Dancer
12-06-23, 11:29
I'm not entirely giving up altogether, but this new generation of girls are a huge reason I'm not as active now. I get more from these AMPs than I do these girls, and it's kinda sad really.AMPs are pretty much the only thing I do now, a lot less risk of a set-up and even if you get caught in a sting you have *some* plausible deniability.
Father Glucose
12-11-23, 16:52
Maybe I’m just now noticing, but It seems to be an uptick in these 304's using photos from other people. The google images has been on it lately so, I've been able to see even when the photos have been cropped. I've started asking for verification pics and of course there's always an excuse like "I sent photo, but I'm using an app so it's sketchy" or some trash like that. I know some of them are real providers because I've seen reviews on a few from some senior members. Just wish they wouldn't profess that the pics are "1000%" real / them and say not to ask for more when they know they are using other chick's photos.
Maybe Im just now noticing, but It seems to be an uptick in these 304's using photos from other people. The google images has been on it lately so, I've been able to see even when the photos have been cropped. I've started asking for verification pics and of course there's always an excuse like "I sent photo, but I'm using an app so it's sketchy" or some trash like that. I know some of them are real providers because I've seen reviews on a few from some senior members. Just wish they wouldn't profess that the pics are "1000%" real / them and say not to ask for more when they know they are using other chick's photos.It's just that the pickings are more slim now, so there's even smaller of a playing field to choose from. Add to the the stakes are higher and the losses are greater. 304's used to bait and switch back in the day and you'd only be out 100 bucks or so, now, well you can see what the prices go for now. At the end of the day, they count on the fact that when you get in the room, you'll do more thinking with the smaller head and end up staying.
MisterNova
12-15-23, 09:24
It's just that the pickings are more slim now, so there's even smaller of a playing field to choose from. Add to the the stakes are higher and the losses are greater. 304's used to bait and switch back in the day and you'd only be out 100 bucks or so, now, well you can see what the prices go for now. At the end of the day, they count on the fact that when you get in the room, you'll do more thinking with the smaller head and end up staying.Most pics are 10-20 years old or outright catfish fakes. Every time you see a new girl it's a dice roll.
Father Glucose
12-15-23, 11:23
Most pics are 10-20 years old or outright catfish fakes. Every time you see a new girl it's a dice roll.Yeah. I come to assume that most of them are a few years older than what they say in the ad and pics are definitely outdated, and then there's the angles. If there are only views of the booty I assume theres a bit of a stomach on the other side (which I am okay with). Its the outright bait and switch that bothers me the most, but I get it. They have a marketing strategy and apparently it works for them. Guess I need a consumer strategy. LOL. I'm beginning to think it's time to "settle down" with one provider or at least keep a regular rotation. LOL.
SwordKnight
12-15-23, 12:16
Yeah. I come to assume that most of them are a few years older than what they say in the ad "Most" means "almost all". To the best of my knowledge, exactly one girl has been truthful with me about her age (and showed her I'd). Usually I just assume they're 5-15 years older than they claim.
My week in review.
1) I hit this one up, 500/ hr. Ok, but for 500 GFE and MSOG better be provided. So I ask, her response MSOG is 700/1. 5 hrs, and limited GFE.
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/4686724.htm?cat=1
2) Charo. Same thing, 500/ hr, I asked if MSOG / GFE was included, she responded back with "GFE". So GFE is but not MSOG?
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/1292383.htm?cat=1
3) Aaliyah - 500/ hr, no GFE or MSOG.
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/7993316.htm?cat=1
Whoever brought this group here, get their asses out. Who in the hell is paying these prices for 1 pop and no or limited GFE?
GiveItRaw10
12-16-23, 10:40
My week in review.
1) I hit this one up, 500/ hr. Ok, but for 500 GFE and MSOG better be provided. So I ask, her response MSOG is 700/1. 5 hrs, and limited GFE.
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/4686724.htm?cat=1
2) Charo. Same thing, 500/ hr, I asked if MSOG / GFE was included, she responded back with "GFE". So GFE is but not MSOG?
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/1292383.htm?cat=1
3) Aaliyah - 500/ hr, no GFE or MSOG.
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/7993316.htm?cat=1
Whoever brought this group here, get their asses out. Who in the hell is paying these prices for 1 pop and no or limited GFE?I believe its the very same type of awkward individuals that pay to be subscribers to OF, or online content jargon! WLs get use to the pampering so they feel entitled to up-charge. Same with strippers in this area.
This area is literally infested with Asians but where are they? It appears all the Filipinos are in Virginia Beach and all the Indian girls are at Norfolk. I've also noticed pockets of Hispanic girls in Chesapeake and Virginia Beach. But where are they at in the sex market? On all the dating / hookup apps it's usually just white and black girls.
Sure they exist but there's still a rarity with the amount that you see unless at special events or at jobs. But you don't want to be that different race weird guy hitting on people at events or while they're working. These girls have to be horny too and enjoy slutting out but it's all crickets digitally.
Something is going on with girls talking trash or creating fake reports on men because we catch them in lies or piss them off. From escorts to dating sites let's expose the girls review areas of men and see what they say on us. Heck, most girls know about this too so it's fair. Where do the girls go to write reviews and feedback on guys?
I've seen screen caps of some pubic escort review board or message board but it didn't link the site. I've heard of Facebook girl groups like "are you dating my man" or whatever it's called exposing men dating around. Share links or where to go and let's see what they're talking about because you know they're not all honest and full of scammer hate.
Direct message if you don't want to share the locations where the girls can find out. Lol I'm happy to help infiltrate and bring back Intel.
LuvNHookers
04-11-24, 00:53
Why post the same report, question, or opinion in every area of this board? Is it just to get the post count up or is there another reason that eludes me?
Hampton Roads is kind of a small area. I'm sure most of us read every new post that gets entered under each of the Seven Cities. For example, nobody reads the Hampton section while ignoring Newport News. What purpose, other than inflating ones post count, is there for posting something in, say, Norfolk, and then copying and pasting this text, I'm going to assume guys aren't typing the exact same thing, into the Virginia Beyotch and other areas?
I've been curious about this for quite some time and have had enough whisky to ask.
I hope I have posted this in the right area.
Thanks.
Father Glucose
04-11-24, 10:23
Why post the same report, question, or opinion in every area of this board? Is it just to get the post count up or is there another reason that eludes me?
Hampton Roads is kind of a small area. I'm sure most of us read every new post that gets entered under each of the Seven Cities. For example, nobody reads the Hampton section while ignoring Newport News. What purpose, other than inflating ones post count, is there for posting something in, say, Norfolk, and then copying and pasting this text, I'm going to assume guys aren't typing the exact same thing, into the Virginia Beyotch and other areas?
I've been curious about this for quite some time and have had enough whisky to ask.
I hope I have posted this in the right area.
Thanks.I can't speak for anyone else, but I will typically post the same review or question in multiple cities if the girl has advertised or been known to be in those cities (especially if one on peninsula and other on southside). So if someone is searching they can find it based on filtering the city.
LuvNHookers
04-11-24, 12:32
I can't speak for anyone else, but I will typically post the same review or question in multiple cities if the girl has advertised or been known to be in those cities (especially if one on peninsula and other on southside). So if someone is searching they can find it based on filtering the city.On the surface that makes sense. But does anyone not read Hampton because they live in Portsmouth? Especially when the girls don't limit where their ads are shown. Their incall may be in Norfolk but they advertise in every section of STG, including the peninsula. Not to mention that posting in multiple areas will just muddy any search results because she may, or most likely not, have ever been in the location where her review is posted.
Versatilepg
04-13-24, 23:37
Something is going on with girls talking trash or creating fake reports on men because we catch them in lies or piss them off. From escorts to dating sites let's expose the girls review areas of men and see what they say on us. Heck, most girls know about this too so it's fair. Where do the girls go to write reviews and feedback on guys?
I've seen screen caps of some pubic escort review board or message board but it didn't link the site. I've heard of Facebook girl groups like "are you dating my man" or whatever it's called exposing men dating around. Share links or where to go and let's see what they're talking about because you know they're not all honest and full of scammer hate.
Direct message if you don't want to share the locations where the girls can find out. Lol I'm happy to help infiltrate and bring back Intel.They use this app called Mr number. Just charge textnow number every month they won't be able to search you there.
Why post the same report, question, or opinion in every area of this board? Is it just to get the post count up or is there another reason that eludes me?
Hampton Roads is kind of a small area. I'm sure most of us read every new post that gets entered under each of the Seven Cities. For example, nobody reads the Hampton section while ignoring Newport News. What purpose, other than inflating ones post count, is there for posting something in, say, Norfolk, and then copying and pasting this text, I'm going to assume guys aren't typing the exact same thing, into the Virginia Beyotch and other areas?
I've been curious about this for quite some time and have had enough whisky to ask.
I hope I have posted this in the right area.
Thanks.I like to see numerous reports. I will post a report if someone else has posted about someone. Its not about one report its about multiple good reports. These women have so many issues. One day you will have a good visit and the other you might get robbed. Also I had go to providers that absolutely got trashed in the reviews. Its not about one good or bad review its about consistency. At least that's how I see it.
LuvNHookers
04-14-24, 20:25
I like to see numerous reports. I will post a report if someone else has posted about someone. Its not about one report its about multiple good reports. These women have so many issues. One day you will have a good visit and the other you might get robbed. Also I had go to providers that absolutely got trashed in the reviews. Its not about one good or bad review its about consistency. At least that's how I see it.But it's not multiple reports, it's the same report in multiple places. If someone says a city has multiple restaurant choices you're pretty excited. Until you check and they're all McDonald's. Go ahead and post your experiences, good and bad, but post it where you saw the provider. Copying and pasting the same thing in every available category has only one obvious purpose.
The only reason I can fathom is that people are inflating their post count. Write one post and post it in seven forums for a total of seven posts.
SwordKnight
04-15-24, 12:46
The only reason I can fathom is that people are inflating their post count. Write one post and post it in seven forums for a total of seven posts.Or someone is convinced that his Pearls of Wisdom are so priceless that they should be required reading.
Joey Joe Jo
04-15-24, 13:57
But it's not multiple reports, it's the same report in multiple places. If someone says a city has multiple restaurant choices you're pretty excited. Until you check and they're all McDonald's. Go ahead and post your experiences, good and bad, but post it where you saw the provider. Copying and pasting the same thing in every available category has only one obvious purpose.
The only reason I can fathom is that people are inflating their post count. Write one post and post it in seven forums for a total of seven posts.So do we call them or by name or just ignore? There a "senior" on this board with a ton of posts but when you check them out all of the posts are questions, generic reviews with no details, simple repeats of someone else's post, or posts that can easily proved as BS. Doesn't answer DMs asking for any level of detail either. I ignore his BS but it's annoying and would send a newbie with really bad info that could get the newbie in real trouble.
LuvNHookers
04-15-24, 15:01
Or someone is convinced that his Pearls of Wisdom are so priceless that they should be required reading.Half a dozen of the other. Once is plenty.
What's more, if the info is in multiple areas, other members will reply to one of the other threads. After that there is no effective way to search for anything. One will say "use the search function", but searching will bring up conversations that end abruptly, starts from where another trails off, there is no way to really search for anything. It just becomes nearly useless.
LuvNHookers
04-15-24, 15:14
So do we call them or by name or just ignore? There a "senior" on this board with a ton of posts but when you check them out all of the posts are questions, generic reviews with no details, simple repeats of someone else's post, or posts that can easily proved as BS. Doesn't answer DMs asking for any level of detail either. I ignore his BS but it's annoying and would send a newbie with really bad info that could get the newbie in real trouble.I have him on ignore. His posts are less than useless. I would hope newbs would look at more of his posts, notice I didn't say reviews, and see him for what he is. Otherwise, you're right: someone's going to listen to his BS and wind up regretting it. Either from following really poor legal advice or from arguing prices with the wrong girl who has a violent handler.
But newbs do it too. It's a quick way to get your post count up to get the coveted title of "Senior". Honestly, I don't know what the rules are now. It used to be that twenty posts made one a senior. Some posted three or four questions in every forum within a week and were then seniors.
Post your info as you see fit, but think about how people are going to search for it in six months.
I doubt my little rant is going to change anything, but maybe some will read it and think about things a little differently.
It's straight forward and extremely simple. When a girl in Norfolk posts an ad it can show up in Chesapeake, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach, etc too. Then half the time she might not even be in that city the main post is in. For example, tons of girls are in Norfolk but post in Virginia Beach for more views because it's more busy.
Multiple postings help people that don't check all the boards or stick just their city. That Virginia Beach post with the girl that's actually in Norfolk should be posted in both cities with details because if you just post in Norfolk everyone in Virginia Beach where it's posted might not see the review or think there is none. Especially if you're warning them or something, you don't want to be missed.
Why post the same report, question, or opinion in every area of this board? Is it just to get the post count up or is there another reason that eludes me?
Hampton Roads is kind of a small area. I'm sure most of us read every new post that gets entered under each of the Seven Cities. For example, nobody reads the Hampton section while ignoring Newport News. What purpose, other than inflating ones post count, is there for posting something in, say, Norfolk, and then copying and pasting this text, I'm going to assume guys aren't typing the exact same thing, into the Virginia Beyotch and other areas?
I've been curious about this for quite some time and have had enough whisky to ask.
I hope I have posted this in the right area.
Thanks.
LuvNHookers
05-17-24, 10:22
One post is enough. Why would you post the same thing more than once in a forum for such a small area where everyone reads every post in every area? It boggles the mind? Is there a logical, rational reason for this?
Why post the same report, question, or opinion in every area of this board? Is it just to get the post count up or is there another reason that eludes me?
Hampton Roads is kind of a small area. I'm sure most of us read every new post that gets entered under each of the Seven Cities. For example, nobody reads the Hampton section while ignoring Newport News. What purpose, other than inflating ones post count, is there for posting something in, say, Norfolk, and then copying and pasting this text, I'm going to assume guys aren't typing the exact same thing, into the Virginia Beyotch and other areas?
I've been curious about this for quite some time and have had enough whisky to ask.
I hope I have posted this in the right area.
Thanks.
Monkey Busines
05-19-24, 08:57
I could not agree more. So frustrating to see the same post, from the same guy in almost every area. Is it just to get more post? Is it an ego thing if you have a higher number? He just posted 3 or 4 back to back post on the same thread. Should have been one post.
Admins: This is SPAM!
One post is enough. Why would you post the same thing more than once in a forum for such a small area where everyone reads every post in every area? It boggles the mind? Is there a logical, rational reason for this?
What's really annoying is people complaining when something does not apply to them or it does and they don't care. If it does not apply to you or you don't care, just slide past. Don't stop and complain because you are an exception.
Someone telling you not to pay deposits to scammers but you want to get scammed, don't stop to complain just go pay money to scammers.
Someone wants to post to different cities because not every person reads every board but you obsessively read every message and you don't like to see it more than once, don't complain just keep scrolling.
Someone tells you not to pay $50 for a $1 McDonald's cheeseburger because you're going to mess up the market and cause 304 inflation, don't complain just throw money at some dumpster fire.
LuvNHookers
05-23-24, 20:26
What's really annoying is people complaining when something does not apply to them or it does and they don't care. If it does not apply to you or you don't care, just slide past. Don't stop and complain because you are an exception.Almost like when one member feels that another member, who enjoyed their visit with a girl, paid too much.
I think we've reached the point where all the scams, robberies, ghosting, etc. Has finally done some damage to the scene in this area that isn't getting repaired anytime soon. I can't find anything on STG or any of these other sites that I would even put forth any effort towards and the massage parlors I used to frequent have dropped like flies. I think it's time to travel out of state more for this hobby cause this pond is currently dry at the moment.
LuvNHookers
06-07-24, 20:22
I think we've reached the point where all the scams, robberies, ghosting, etc. Has finally done some damage to the scene in this area that isn't getting repaired anytime soon. I can't find anything on STG or any of these other sites that I would even put forth any effort towards and the massage parlors I used to frequent have dropped like flies. I think it's time to travel out of state more for this hobby cause this pond is currently dry at the moment.HR sucks. It appears the closest place where one can find a decent girl is Richmond. Roanoke is supposed to have some good girls but not enough of them. NC is also full of good ladies. It's hard to look forward to a 2-4 hour drive for an hour or so of fun. I may have to get a steady GF, shudder.
These women out here had the best chance to make the most money possible in this game with how bad it's gotten and they could have raked in the money all over, now the massage parlors are booming right now (especially the ones that offer FS), and most of these escort girls are going broke. Only the top tier model types are getting the money they're looking for and everyone else is struggling, which is why these ads from not even 6 months ago are disappearing.
Bigskykindaguy
06-08-24, 23:38
HR sucks. It appears the closest place where one can find a decent girl is Richmond. Roanoke is supposed to have some good girls but not enough of them. NC is also full of good ladies. It's hard to look forward to a 2-4 hour drive for an hour or so of fun. I may have to get a steady GF, shudder.For travel I've contemplated, Raleigh, Tysons, DC and maybe Baltimore. None of these are too terribly far away for a weekend excursion and I'm sure I could find something not hobby related to do to make the 2-3 hour trip worth it.
I've also never really felt compelled to visit Richmond but they seemingly have some legit Asian talent with the asiangfeclub so I might try them out one of these days.
Also anyone know a good source for relatively affordable weekend flights?? Google flights???
Bairen Nanhai
06-10-24, 13:05
These women out here had the best chance to make the most money possible in this game with how bad it's gotten and they could have raked in the money all over, now the massage parlors are booming right now (especially the ones that offer FS), and most of these escort girls are going broke. Only the top tier model types are getting the money they're looking for and everyone else is struggling, which is why these ads from not even 6 months ago are disappearing.Agreed. The pros of the AMP: You know the hours they will be there, no deposits requested, no angry boyfriend likely to show up, less likely to be in a sting situation, providers are never on drugs in my experience, they are usually very clean, most are very selective (which can be good if you're someone they would select, LOL! No pets or kids running around, or roommate hiding in bathroom, usually get the time you pay for, if you don't like the girls, you can leave and try the next one down the street, worst case scenario, you get a decent massage. Haha!
Bairen.
Wh0re: "I really need money for rent / kids / etc, I'll do anything!
Guy: Ok, I have $100 for you.
Wh0re: "I usually get $300 and others have paid me that in the past so I won't do less!"
Wh0re math: Better to make no money than a hundred when in "need". LOL!
Proves every time if she actually "needs" the money or is playing you with a fake sob story. If she acts like $100 is a $5 offer then gets insulted she's a greedy liar / scammer even if she puts out. The fact that they can have this level of entitlement while begging is just silly.
Don't be cheap but don't pay full price for a trashy lying wh0re with a fake story when you can get an escort or model for $300. You aren't helping somebody in need, you're getting played while you overpay.
Punisher94
06-10-24, 20:10
Agreed. The pros of the AMP: You know the hours they will be there, no deposits requested, no angry boyfriend likely to show up, less likely to be in a sting situation, providers are never on drugs in my experience, they are usually very clean, most are very selective (which can be good if you're someone they would select, LOL! No pets or kids running around, or roommate hiding in bathroom, usually get the time you pay for, if you don't like the girls, you can leave and try the next one down the street, worst case scenario, you get a decent massage. Haha!
Bairen.But the big con: not knowing what "extras" are and are not available until after the time and money spent on the massage. I know some AMP's are advertising FS online (for everybody to see, including Uncle LEO), so I stay away from those.
But what I do like about FS when you can get it an an AMP is the experience of having them cross that line of professionalism for you.
Been some wild times out there brothers.
Girl: I'm new don't know anything but I want $600. My friend does this and makes good money.
Me: Where did that number come from is that what she charges?
Girl: Yes she said less is too low.
Me: Is she younger than you, thinner than you, prettier than you? (She's 40+, post 2 kids).
Girl: Yes to everything.
Me: I'll give you $200.
Girl: Ok.
Know your worth men! We are the ones in control and are the prize. We are the pay day so don't pander to ignorant greedy 304's that make stuff up or have demands! They will demand $600, a meal, drinks, and hours of your time but will take $200. Don't SIMP or be played.
Noticed that Tori is now posting as "Krmsand" and with a new number: 948xxxx729.
She has stolen from several of us and you can find reviews to that effect here and on other sites. Stay safe out there and watch your backs!
New ad: https://skipthegames.com/posts/chesapeake/female-escorts/caucasian_w/afteralittletimeoff-imbackkkop/256389238628.
Father Glucose
06-27-24, 10:56
Noticed that Tori is now posting as "Krmsand" and with a new number: 948xxxx729.
She has stolen from several of us and you can find reviews to that effect here and on other sites. Stay safe out there and watch your backs!
New ad: https://skipthegames.com/posts/chesapeake/female-escorts/caucasian_w/afteralittletimeoff-imbackkkop/256389238628.Also appears as though she's lost a lot of weight. She went downhill REAL fast.
Met somebody recently that had some dude giving her $200 just to hang out. Stop doing that if anybody's doing that because these are not your daughters and they don't need to be taken care of. Stop trying to save a hoe. Plus it's ruining the market because if a girl thinks that she can just give you company without s*x for $200 imagine the outrageous prices they're going to charge for physical interactions.
These 304 are in a bad place in life because of poor choices and zero accountability. Life did not deal them a bad hand, they messed up and they continue to make poor choices They get rewarded for poor choices and there's too many stupid safety nets for women so they behave badly because there's no punishment.
If they aren't giving you something more than acknowledging that you exist, your being a SIMP that's being scammed. This teaches the 304's that it's acceptable behavior to scam guys without giving anything back.
The funny part is she smashed for $100. So just about the same price (with the room) that fool's paying she was riding hard. LOL.
Met somebody recently that had some dude giving her $200 just to hang out. Stop doing that if anybody's doing that because these are not your daughters and they don't need to be taken care of. Stop trying to save a hoe. Plus it's ruining the market because if a girl thinks that she can just give you company without s*x for $200 imagine the outrageous prices they're going to charge for physical interactions.
These 304 are in a bad place in life because of poor choices and zero accountability. Life did not deal them a bad hand, they messed up and they continue to make poor choices They get rewarded for poor choices and there's too many stupid safety nets for women so they behave badly because there's no punishment.
If they aren't giving you something more than acknowledging that you exist, your being a SIMP that's being scammed. This teaches the 304's that it's acceptable behavior to scam guys without giving anything back.
The funny part is she smashed for $100. So just about the same price (with the room) that fool's paying she was riding hard. LOL.I've been seeing a gal since November of last year. Met on SB, she's now on seeking. Single mother, mid-thirty, regular job. To sides to the coin. Friends and than benifits. We see each other 2-8 times a month for the benfits (). The visits normally last 3-4 hrs. We also see each other another 3-6 times a month as friends again for 3-4 hrs. I have NO problem providing food, rent, house repairs what ever. She appreciates it and I appreciate helping. Is she seeing others, probably yes. Is she seeing 10 clients / day like Eros or Tyrst or STG, no. I really don't care. I do what makes ME happy. She treats me and I treat her as friends with benifits. To me both sides of the coin are amazing.
I do agree with you on the full time SW's and market inflation. Those part timers with a real job that still need assistance I'm all in to assist.
I struck out with 3 providers and can't figure out what the issue is. All 3 are reliableand all 3 went ghost after a response. Has this been happening to anyone else? One had me drive across the bridge just to waste my time. A waste of a day.
What's up with black girls that are darker than me saying they are mixed. LOL Nobody cares if your great grandmother was Hispanic if all your other family were black, ya ain't Hispanic or mixed, ya black! Ja ja ja ja ja Same with Asian mixed identifying girls, just a kiss of Asian but if every feature of you screams black girl, you aren't Asian. 1/5 some other race ain't make you mixed if you can't tell.
Punisher94
07-27-24, 07:57
Yeah, and all these "Afro Latinas. " I'll see more of them on STG in a day than I'll see in person in a decade.
Let's be real: they're faking exoticism to attract more clients.
What's up with black girls that are darker than me saying they are mixed. LOL Nobody cares if your great grandmother was Hispanic if all your other family were black, ya ain't Hispanic or mixed, ya black! Ja ja ja ja ja Same with Asian mixed identifying girls, just a kiss of Asian but if every feature of you screams black girl, you aren't Asian. 1/5 some other race ain't make you mixed if you can't tell.
SwordKnight
08-01-24, 11:43
What's up with black girls that are darker than me saying they are mixed. LOL Nobody cares if your great grandmother was Hispanic if all your other family were black, ya ain't Hispanic or mixed, ya black! Ja ja ja ja ja Same with Asian mixed identifying girls, just a kiss of Asian but if every feature of you screams black girl, you aren't Asian. 1/5 some other race ain't make you mixed if you can't tell.Hate to break this news to you, GAGuy: a ho's going to lie.
Mongermonger
08-01-24, 14:10
FFS, don't get him started.
Hate to break this news to you, GAGuy: a ho's going to lie.
LuvNHookers
08-01-24, 15:58
FFS, don't get him started.For real. Check the history.
I'll admit, these days I'm more of a hh type of guy. Most of the time I just want to get my rocks off and bounce. But there are some that have enticed me enough to want to spend for the hour. Of course a second pop has to be offered in the negotiations and the price has to match. Lately I have been coming across some ads and reaching out to girls with reasonable prices for both hh and hr sessions. I'm talking 200/300 or 250/350, but when I ask if MSOG is offered for the hour some say no. I'm not a marathon man, but I will use my tactics to hold off and get a few positions in for that hh, but once that nut is gone I'm thinking, daamn I could have saved $100 and just went with the hh. So my question is, what is the incentive for springing for the hour if you're really only getting a qv or hh's worth of action? Do hookers think you're getting over on them by asking for or getting a second pop for the hour?
Father Glucose
08-20-24, 13:28
I'll admit, these days I'm more of a hh type of guy. Most of the time I just want to get my rocks off and bounce. But there are some that have enticed me enough to want to spend for the hour. Of course a second pop has to be offered in the negotiations and the price has to match. Lately I have been coming across some ads and reaching out to girls with reasonable prices for both hh and hr sessions. I'm talking 200/300 or 250/350, but when I ask if MSOG is offered for the hour some say no. I'm not a marathon man, but I will use my tactics to hold off and get a few positions in for that hh, but once that nut is gone I'm thinking, daamn I could have saved $100 and just went with the hh. So my question is, what is the incentive for springing for the hour if you're really only getting a qv or hh's worth of action? Do hookers think you're getting over on them by asking for or getting a second pop for the hour?I feel you with getting value worth with time. Qv is too quick for me so I usually go for hhr if I do an hour its with a regular who I've been with so I know I can get a little more bang for the buck (no pun intended). If I go out on a limb to try a new lady for an hr (usually when I'm out of town) I look for her website and or social media to get an idea for what she's like and her do's and don'ts. If it doesn't line up, I won't do it. I look for the next one.
I feel you with getting value worth with time. Qv is too quick for me so I usually go for hhr if I do an hour its with a regular who I've been with so I know I can get a little more bang for the buck (no pun intended). If I go out on a limb to try a new lady for an hr (usually when I'm out of town) I look for her website and or social media to get an idea for what she's like and her do's and don'ts. If it doesn't line up, I won't do it. I look for the next one.That's the thing, IMO there's really no difference between QV and HH. For what I need to accomplish that is. What I have seen with these price points is, some will go low on the QV, say 120 or 150 and then shoot up to 250 for a hh. I'm going with the QV every time on that one. As for the traveling latinas, 250 or 300 is the sweet spot for hh, but then some with shoot up to 500 for the hr, again I'm going hh. Most are GFE (I will ask before committing to book) so as long as I can get BBBJ, maybe some kissing then I'm good. Some agencies offer the 250/ hh and 350/ hr, I'm good with that, I may opt for the hour if I've been with a girl from the agency, but initially I may just do hh to test the waters.
That's the thing, IMO there's really no difference between QV and HH. For what I need to accomplish that is. What I have seen with these price points is, some will go low on the QV, say 120 or 150 and then shoot up to 250 for a hh. I'm going with the QV every time on that one. As for the traveling latinas, 250 or 300 is the sweet spot for hh, but then some with shoot up to 500 for the hr, again I'm going hh. Most are GFE (I will ask before committing to book) so as long as I can get BBBJ, maybe some kissing then I'm good. Some agencies offer the 250/ hh and 350/ hr, I'm good with that, I may opt for the hour if I've been with a girl from the agency, but initially I may just do hh to test the waters.It's why I'm so particular about dfk if we're going to spend time what are we doing nonstop for an hour. I usually go for a quick first shot so I have time to recover for a second.
That's a fact, but if you try to point that out on here there's a lot of people that get their panties in a bunch and start crying when they hear facts. LOL.
Hate to break this news to you, GAGuy: a ho's going to lie.
If a man can't get everything done in a QV with an average 304, he has deeper issues and need to be seeing somebody higher quality or go on a dating site. The funny part is you can go 1 to 2 hours and they still limit you to one pop so you're not getting more for more time.
Average looking 304's should be able to get you off quickly, just a wet hole and a single nut for 100-120 and honestly ugly / fat / trashy should be cheaper but fools over pay and mess up the market. If a thinner cute 30 something Asian girl charges 120 there's no reason why an obese ugly trailer trash girl with bad flappy skin should be charging the same because they're not the same.
If looking for an emotional connection or bonding go to a dating site. If you want a supermodel experience, you can get a TL From Columbia for about 200-300 bucks. Some say QV some say HH at that but that's more than enough time. So if an average girl or a trashy girl tries to charge more than $250, know that you're getting ripped off even if you don't feel like it or want to admit it.
If you want to have a longer session less rules with multiple pops experience and you got the income, hit up the sugar sites. You can get an above average girl for almost unlimited time with almost no rules for about 300-400 bucks. That's why it's laughable for some girls to charge 500.
I'm sure I triggered enough people to get some nasty comments by just stating facts, but that's the reality of it. LOL.
I'll admit, these days I'm more of a hh type of guy. Most of the time I just want to get my rocks off and bounce. But there are some that have enticed me enough to want to spend for the hour. Of course a second pop has to be offered in the negotiations and the price has to match. Lately I have been coming across some ads and reaching out to girls with reasonable prices for both hh and hr sessions. I'm talking 200/300 or 250/350, but when I ask if MSOG is offered for the hour some say no. I'm not a marathon man, but I will use my tactics to hold off and get a few positions in for that hh, but once that nut is gone I'm thinking, daamn I could have saved $100 and just went with the hh. So my question is, what is the incentive for springing for the hour if you're really only getting a qv or hh's worth of action? Do hookers think you're getting over on them by asking for or getting a second pop for the hour?
I've been doing this shit for awhile, and back in the day a price point actually meant something. For instance, circa 2010-2015 ish, if a provider charged 300/400, she was most definitely GFE (kissing, daty, etc) and MSOG. Now these no good mfs try and charge that and have the nerve to put No GFE in the ads. Who is visiting these sorry, GPS having mfs? Better yet if they have handlers, who is advising them?
https://tryst.link/escort/princesssalena23
300/ hh but no GFE? FMTY 6 K?
https://tryst.link/escort/zea
Huh? WTF? No DATY, but wants regulars?
LuvNHookers
09-07-24, 17:10
I've been doing this shit for awhile, and back in the day a price point actually meant something. For instance, circa 2010-2015 ish, if a provider charged 300/400, she was most definitely GFE (kissing, daty, etc) and MSOG. Now these no good mfs try and charge that and have the nerve to put No GFE in the ads. Who is visiting these sorry, GPS having mfs? Better yet if they have handlers, who is advising them?
https://tryst.link/escort/princesssalena23
300/ hh but no GFE? FMTY 6 K?
https://tryst.link/escort/zea
Huh? WTF? No DATY, but wants regulars?GPS is a beyotch.
I have often wondered at this. Not the rates so much as the service. It has gotten to the point where I wonder if the definition of GFE may be changing. GFE providers used to offer BBBJ maybe tc or not, DFK, MSOG, and a more intimate experience. Greek has always been extra, at least for me. But now a lot of girls are doing BBFS and even advertising it (sometimes the upcharge is not even that much). Perhaps GFE and BBFS are becoming synonymous? If this is the case then maybe they don't offer GFE.
But service in this area is not great. There are those who offer a great experience at a decent rate but that is fading. If it weren't for STG and other internet sites most of deez heaux would be street girls catching for an extra $5. But the area is what it is and is not likely to change.
The first girl is super hot IMHO but not worth those rates. Those looks usually come with an attitude. The last girl I remember who looked that good or better was called Rebecca and she had a perfect body and sweet personality and was open to literally everything for $250 but this was 2001-2. Plus I hate when they say no BB. Does that include BBBJ or not? It's not like I'm going to ask and get busted if I start thinking with my dick.
The other girl? It doesn't surprise me. I don't even look at black girl ads. 90% of them say no BBBJ which is a show stopper for me. Plus they think being able to pound down a party size bag of Doritos in 5 seconds gives them a fat ass. Yes, but not what I'm looking for. It seems like only the black BBW girls have tits and they point straight at the floor. Skinny black girls breasts look like someone glued flapjacks to their chest.
I may have to start making weekend trips to Richmond or NC.
I've always assumed GFE meant kissing, BBBJ, and DATY available. Agreed Greek is extra. Wrinkle is the "PSE" moniker- that varies from covered Greek / covered FS to BBFS depending on the lady. Some just use it to mean eat your Wheaties because it's going to be a nonstop fuck session with lots of positions and exercise. So looking for a lady open to what I'm particularly looking for (GFE with covered FS and Greek) is a difficult search without paying for TER or P411.
It seems that Onlyfans and the like have really altered the market pricing. A lot of ladies are attempting to get subscribers as a primary source of income rather than meetups. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that many who do this have particularly good service records.
GPS is a beyotch.
I have often wondered at this. Not the rates so much as the service. It has gotten to the point where I wonder if the definition of GFE may be changing. GFE providers used to offer BBBJ maybe tc or not, DFK, MSOG, and a more intimate experience. Greek has always been extra, at least for me. But now a lot of girls are doing BBFS and even advertising it (sometimes the upcharge is not even that much). Perhaps GFE and BBFS are becoming synonymous? If this is the case then maybe they don't offer GFE.
But service in this area is not great. There are those who offer a great experience at a decent rate but that is fading. If it weren't for STG and other internet sites most of deez heaux would be street girls catching for an extra $5. But the area is what it is and is not likely to change.
The first girl is super hot IMHO but not worth those rates. Those looks usually come with an attitude. The last girl I remember who looked that good or better was called Rebecca and she had a perfect body and sweet personality and was open to literally everything for $250 but this was 2001-2. Plus I hate when they say no BB. Does that include BBBJ or not? It's not like I'm going to ask and get busted if I start thinking with my dick.
The other girl? It doesn't surprise me. I don't even look at black girl ads. 90% of them say no BBBJ which is a show stopper for me. Plus they think being able to pound down a party size bag of Doritos in 5 seconds gives them a fat ass. Yes, but not what I'm looking for. It seems like only the black BBW girls have tits and they point straight at the floor. Skinny black girls breasts look like someone glued flapjacks to their chest.
I may have to start making weekend trips to Richmond or NC.
Ayla Cruz,
To my earlier point, charges 600 per hour, but here's the catch. You get 1 pop unless you pay extra. You got to be kidding me, 600 dollars and all I get is 1 pop, so glad I have access to TER.
https://tryst.link/escort/cruz-ayla029
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/2881730.htm?cat=1
LuvNHookers
09-09-24, 23:28
Ayla Cruz,
To my earlier point, charges 600 per hour, but here's the catch. You get 1 pop unless you pay extra. You got to be kidding me, 600 dollars and all I get is 1 pop, so glad I have access to TER.
https://tryst.link/escort/cruz-ayla029
https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/2881730.htm?cat=1Definitely one to avoid. Those looks, definitely high end hotness, plus the one-pop rule tells me CBJ, zero intimacy, and attitude. I'm sure YMMV but I doubt it "v's" very much. To each his own.
LuvNHookers
09-10-24, 08:02
Some just use it to mean eat your Wheaties because it's going to be a nonstop fuck session with lots of positions and exercise.It used to mean a more "nasty" experience. More intense, harder action, any position you could think of, maybe multiple pops, maybe sexy name-calling, pretty much like how you describe it. But it was VERY unusual for it to mean BBFS. I remember a thread on an escort forum on that avenue way back that providers who advertised PSE were upset that guys thought it meant BBFS. I can't remember the last time I saw a lady advertise PSE. The only ones now are those Asian ads that I filter out since they all look like ripoff ads.
Definitely one to avoid. Those looks, definitely high end hotness, plus the one-pop rule tells me CBJ, zero intimacy, and attitude. I'm sure YMMV but I doubt it "v's" very much. To each his own.She's actually GFE, BBBJ, kissing, DATY, etc. , but requires an additional fee for a 2nd pop. Which tells me too many cats have just accepted this behavior and allow girls to still operate in this business. My guess is that it's mostly older dudes who really can't pop twice in an hour and that's what she's been used to. Not happening, I don't dabble in that price range unless the reviews are overall glowing and spell out MSOG. Shit for that price, I'm asking straight up, do you allow MSOG.
Father Glucose
09-10-24, 12:07
Damn-it! Every time I cave in on the "BBBJ is extra" or "daty is more" (which I haven't paid more to get her off in a while, I end up regretting it. I mean, most of the time the head is underwhelming from the nickel-and-dimers. I mean, I'm cool w covered BJ, but if given the option imma chose uncovered, then they drop a price tag on it? Damn nevermind. Smh. Next time, I'm thinking w the big head (I hope. Ha!
Just give the flat rate!
Damn-it! Every time I cave in on the "BBBJ is extra" or "daty is more" (which I haven't paid more to get her off in a while, I end up regretting it. I mean, most of the time the head is underwhelming from the nickel-and-dimers. I mean, I'm cool w covered BJ, but if given the option imma chose uncovered, then they drop a price tag on it? Damn nevermind. Smh. Next time, I'm thinking w the big head (I hope. Ha!
Just give the flat rate!For real, especially for something simple like BBBJ. I don't mind an upcharge for greek since there is prep and starvation involved if they do it right, within reason. AmyVB used to charge $100 for it for any session and it was SO worth it.
For real, especially for something simple like BBBJ. I don't mind an upcharge for greek since there is prep and starvation involved if they do it right, within reason. AmyVB used to charge $100 for it for any session and it was SO worth it.What happened to Amy VB? She was just gone one day.
What happened to Amy VB? She was just gone one day.Man I wish I knew, she was awesome. To this day she was probably the most enthusiastic provider I have ever seen. She was really smart about money so I would guess she made a shitload, invested it, and retired. Most girls only want designer shit and wanted real estate and stocks!
Damn-it! Every time I cave in on the "BBBJ is extra" or "daty is more" (which I haven't paid more to get her off in a while, I end up regretting it. I mean, most of the time the head is underwhelming from the nickel-and-dimers. I mean, I'm cool w covered BJ, but if given the option imma chose uncovered, then they drop a price tag on it? Damn nevermind. Smh. Next time, I'm thinking w the big head (I hope. Ha!
Just give the flat rate!Bruh, add-ons are such a fucking turn off! I hate these a la carte mfs. And this the 2nd or 3rd time she been in the area, so somebody's paying up for that shit.
True, I should've clarified that 99% of the ladies using PSE to mean BBFS are Asian agencies (I first noticed when traveling out west that's what they meant) with Very few Caucasian ladies using PSE to mean BBFS (typically their ads require recent testing results).
It used to mean a more "nasty" experience. More intense, harder action, any position you could think of, maybe multiple pops, maybe sexy name-calling, pretty much like how you describe it. But it was VERY unusual for it to mean BBFS. I remember a thread on an escort forum on that avenue way back that providers who advertised PSE were upset that guys thought it meant BBFS. I can't remember the last time I saw a lady advertise PSE. The only ones now are those Asian ads that I filter out since they all look like ripoff ads.
Robinhood757
09-23-24, 14:29
Is Backpage and 2 backpage anything?
https://virginia-beach.2backpage.com/view/bodyrubs/6666762.html and others.
Everybody communicates fine until the payment and if they say cash payment they ask for deposit and if no deposit then they ask for gift card payment!! What's up with that!! Have any of you met with BP ladies? FYI some KILLER bodies on this site.
Can anybody clear this up for me?
Also since contacting girls on backpage, I am getting threatening texts from some "boss" who says I am wasting his girls time and I have to pay a fine or he will contact / mess with my family. No family here to mess with but still!! I'm collecting phone numbers of texts and threats off line.
Father Glucose
09-23-24, 16:53
Is Backpage and 2 backpage anything?
https://virginia-beach.2backpage.com/view/bodyrubs/6666762.html and others.
Everybody communicates fine until the payment and if they say cash payment they ask for deposit and if no deposit then they ask for gift card payment!! What's up with that!! Have any of you met with BP ladies? FYI some KILLER bodies on this site.
Can anybody clear this up for me?
Also since contacting girls on backpage, I am getting threatening texts from some "boss" who says I am wasting his girls time and I have to pay a fine or he will contact / mess with my family. No family here to mess with but still!! I'm collecting phone numbers of texts and threats off line.Yeah, the payment thing is probably a scam. I mesn, BP tells you that much in the middle of the page.
As for the extortion scam. Thats a scam too. I hope you use a burner or app (just in case). But they are typically just trying to get money out of you by threatening. Block them and / or change your number and move on.
Lately when I come on this board, I see Richmond is sort of active a lot more in reports. I wonder why everything is shifting in that direction all of a sudden and the 757 has continued to drop off in the last decade or so? For the last 2 years or so, it's been the same locals and almost the same traveling providers here with little to no new providers coming in. I think I may just hop out of this scene here for good if it keeps trending in this direction at least in the 757.
LuvNHookers
10-18-24, 18:18
Lately when I come on this board, I see Richmond is sort of active a lot more in reports. I wonder why everything is shifting in that direction all of a sudden and the 757 has continued to drop off in the last decade or so? For the last 2 years or so, it's been the same locals and almost the same traveling providers here with little to no new providers coming in. I think I may just hop out of this scene here for good if it keeps trending in this direction at least in the 757.There are too many naive boys in the area who are eager to play the role of Capt. Save-A-Ho. Plus the main site to find girls, skipthegames, is full of nothing but. This brings out the scammers, rip-off girls, and thieves, both subtle and strong arm.
STG is full of fake ads, which doesn't help. I travel a lot and I see lots of the same girls advertising in Norfolk, Miami, and Knoxville on the same day; same pics and number and everything. This makes it super hard to know which number to call to get off.
There are some women at the end of their rope who can do nothing else and are trying to make some kind of living but they aren't holding up very well. They charge what they charge but the looks and / or service islet's say less than stellar.
Then you have the young, somewhat decent looking ones who think if someone who advertises as a busted up 38 year old charges $X, I'll charge 3*$X but that doesn't go over very well with the clientele so they dance, or OF, or just find a SD and make it work with him, or just get a regular 9-5, or they adjust their rates and adopt a pet monkey and don't last long.
I'm sure I left out a lot of things and people will fill in the blanks. But you're right, this area is bad for sex workers and their customers. It's debatable how good that is for so-called polite society.
MisterNova
10-19-24, 13:04
Yeah I think too many girls hooked on drugs is major issue effecting the game.
I just end up settling for whatever I can get.
If the price is low I will look past the shortcomings.
There are too many naive boys in the area who are eager to play the role of Capt. Save-A-Ho. Plus the main site to find girls, skipthegames, is full of nothing but. This brings out the scammers, rip-off girls, and thieves, both subtle and strong arm.
STG is full of fake ads, which doesn't help. I travel a lot and I see lots of the same girls advertising in Norfolk, Miami, and Knoxville on the same day; same pics and number and everything. This makes it super hard to know which number to call to get off.
There are some women at the end of their rope who can do nothing else and are trying to make some kind of living but they aren't holding up very well. They charge what they charge but the looks and / or service islet's say less than stellar.
Then you have the young, somewhat decent looking ones who think if someone who advertises as a busted up 38 year old charges $X, I'll charge 3*$X but that doesn't go over very well with the clientele so they dance, or OF, or just find a SD and make it work with him, or just get a regular 9-5, or they adjust their rates and adopt a pet monkey and don't last long.
I'm sure I left out a lot of things and people will fill in the blanks. But you're right, this area is bad for sex workers and their customers. It's debatable how good that is for so-called polite society.
Yeah I think too many girls hooked on drugs is major issue effecting the game.
I just end up settling for whatever I can get.
If the price is low I will look past the shortcomings.Whatever wins you can get in this area, get them. Honestly, I just check these boards and STG every once in a while for new info, providers, etc. , and not everyday like I used to. Back then, it was difficult to keep up with every bit of info from mongers that got posted here, and now it's mostly the same varying reports of the same providers in this area.
Father Glucose
10-24-24, 08:53
I prefer independent ladies without the middle man, but lately I've come across a few (both in the area and out of the area) that I've realized had a handler and it was too late by the time I realized it. Basic things like not knowing details we discussed like length of service or not offering a service agreed to via text. As I think back on it there are a few clues early that can help make a decision if I use the big head just for a minute.
1. Text responses are too fast. Usually these 304's are in the middle of "something" and will take 5-10 minutes to respond or more. Had one that from the first contact all the way til I saw her about 90 min later always responded within 60-120 seconds. Even when I asked for a photo, which leads me to the next one:
2. Sends a photo that doesn't really match the one in the ad. Could be some similarities, but nothing definite. This is also a clue that its an "agency" or several women in the stable (or looming scam). If you ask for a pic, ask for something specific like fully clothed certain fingers up or something.
3. Way too agreeable to services not listed in the ad. Got bit by this a couple times that when I get there the girl doesn't do bbj or whatever, because the handler is saying whatever he needs to get you to the door.
4. The dude can be seen hanging outside the room close by. Could be several factors. Could just ge a coincidence and not related to the chick. Could be her "security," but also the handler making sure she's good. Proceed with extreme caution because this could also be a setup for robbery, etc.
These are just a few, and of course it's not 100% but please add if you've got some other clues.
LuvNHookers
10-24-24, 23:14
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service agreed to via text
Discuss specifics over phone or text. Don't make LEO's job any easier.
I arranged to meet a lady who I see occasionally that I originally met years ago on Seeking. She booked a room on Dayuse dot com a couple weeks ago for today, with an arrival time of between 11 and 12. Upon arrival at 11:30, she was told that they were not taking early arrivals and that they had no rooms. She told them she had a reservation. Upon looking it up, she was then told that their day use rooms are on a first come first served basis, and they had no rooms. No where does it say this on the site. This is just a FYI post.
BumbaCloth
10-25-24, 11:48
I arranged to meet a lady who I see occasionally that I originally met years ago on Seeking. She booked a room on Dayuse dot com a couple weeks ago for today, with an arrival time of between 11 and 12. Upon arrival at 11:30, she was told that they were not taking early arrivals and that they had no rooms. She told them she had a reservation. Upon looking it up, she was then told that their day use rooms are on a first come first served basis, and they had no rooms. No where does it say this on the site. This is just a FYI post.It doesn't the hotels make up rules as they go. The app says the hotel takes cash but when you get there you have to put it on your card.
SwordKnight
10-25-24, 21:43
It doesn't the hotels make up rules as they go. The app says the hotel takes cash but when you get there you have to put it on your card.I've had a couple of occasions, five years ago or more, where the hotel was okay with me paying cash, but they still wanted a card number and drivers license. Which, from their point of view, is reasonable--if you tear up the room, they want to be able to get some money from you.
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