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COVID 19 probably going rebound given the recent openings and demonstrations. Hard for be the gov and his advisors trying to balance the economy, tourism, virus, flu (season coming soon), unemployment, social discord, etc. However, no can stay closed for long or forever so got to take one calculated risk using the available data, make one assessment, minimize the losses, get down on one knee, and pray for the best (this comment not meant to be religious).
I ain't going out too soon until get one vaccine due to the asymptomatic element of this one. I no mind stay home, wait and see, IMO.I'm on the same page with you on this. At 619 cases I think we have a little pocket right now and when travel begins in earnest we may have an increase. I'm hoping the state gets it together and implements effective testing and tracking policies. What we have in place now just is not effective.
I'm hoping the state gets it together and implements effective testing and tracking policies. What we have in place now just is not effective.Effectiveness requires cooperation. Nationwide, 93% of respondents acknowledge the seriousness of this virus and importance of masking, distancing, disinfecting, etc. You know get the ones no like care about anybody but themselves whether it's about public health, differences, respect, manners, etc. That's the problem, not effective policies, IMO. Anyway, no can tell dem nothing until they learn for themselves and get some commom sense (something lots of people no more). Everybody take care and make safe.
Effectiveness requires cooperation. Nationwide, 93% of respondents acknowledge the seriousness of this virus and importance of masking, distancing, disinfecting, etc. You know get the ones no like care about anybody but themselves whether it's about public health, differences, respect, manners, etc. That's the problem, not effective policies, IMO. Anyway, no can tell dem nothing until they learn for themselves and get some commom sense (something lots of people no more). Everybody take care and make safe.Fully agree with you, it starts with the person in the mirror and how they treat others. No policies made are effective with those types until they start nailing them with penalties. Some people just need the sasa to make them do right.
Incogfilipino
06-08-20, 16:19
I would add that culturally, American individualism hampers this a bit. People here will do something unless it starts to inconvenience them, then they stop wanting to do them. The idea of about doing things in order not to inconvenience and be considerate of others (like in Japan, for example) is just not part of our culture, unfortunately. There are also so many laws against tracking US citizens using apps and such, it just makes it really difficult. It's not like I have a plan for this either, but it's a complex problem that obviously is going to require a complex solution in the long term.
ClaraForever
06-10-20, 12:23
COVID 19 probably going rebound given the recent openings and demonstrations. Hard for be the gov and his advisors trying to balance the economy, tourism, virus, flu (season coming soon), unemployment, social discord, etc. However, no can stay closed for long or forever so got to take one calculated risk using the available data, make one assessment, minimize the losses, get down on one knee, and pray for the best (this comment not meant to be religious).
I ain't going out too soon until get one vaccine due to the asymptomatic element of this one. I no mind stay home, wait and see, IMO.Of course protesters did not ask lockdown 3 months ago and they think 2 m social distancing rule at business us bull shit LOL.
Prudential808
06-11-20, 03:01
Almost 80% of covid related hospitalization cases: male.
Almost 80% of those males: hair loss issue.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7242206/pdf/main.pdf
Catastrophic event can instigate change in some things. Agree, it will take a huge effort to make cultural change. When riots and lawless mindless sheep finally get it that they need to give it all and risk it all for what they believe, only then can we truly see a change. Then again, maybe all the riot sheep did just that, risking their lives with the spread of Covid, as numbers are up in 21+ states. I will pay attention once the movement gets quiet, folks give up all their relationships, careers, possessions, and focus only on that one belief they are willing to die for.
Maybe exposing themselves to the Covid is their way, but I don't think so.
Numbers will go up, guaranteed. Laws will be made, but [Deleted by Admin] will still go on, just like flying Hawaiian flags still long after the war was lost. Welcome to America.
I would add that culturally, American individualism hampers this a bit. People here will do something unless it starts to inconvenience them, then they stop wanting to do them. The idea of about doing things in order not to inconvenience and be considerate of others (like in Japan, for example) is just not part of our culture, unfortunately. There are also so many laws against tracking US citizens using apps and such, it just makes it really difficult. It's not like I have a plan for this either, but it's a complex problem that obviously is going to require a complex solution in the long term.
Man, I want everything to open but seriously look at the spike that is going on right just have to hope if people catch it it will not be as serious as others that were put in hospital or died.
Man, I want everything to open but seriously look at the spike that is going on right just have to hope if people catch it it will not be as serious as others that were put in hospital or died.The lockdown wasn't put in place to stop the virus, it was put in place because the hospitals weren't ready to handle a spike at that time (according to Ige and Caldwell). But now, maybe hospitals are better prepared? Maybe more PPE and better training or something. But I think the cases aren't as important as the number of hospitalizations. If the hospitals can handle, the state can remain open IMO.
GMA reports elderly black male survived three (3) months in hospital (of COVID 19 care) and released today. Costs for his care total $1. 1 million; he has Medicare and health insurance so will not pay the bulk of costs. That's the new added catastrophe along with the current economic, social, etc. , problems. When it rains, it pours. Take care, stay safe because seeing more people not doing the masking and distancing; they act like this thing is pau, or something.
Incogfilipino
06-14-20, 14:36
The lockdown wasn't put in place to stop the virus, it was put in place because the hospitals weren't ready to handle a spike at that time (according to Ige and Caldwell). But now, maybe hospitals are better prepared? Maybe more PPE and better training or something. But I think the cases aren't as important as the number of hospitalizations. If the hospitals can handle, the state can remain open IMO.The problem specifically in Hawaii is the lack of hospital beds. Limited space, limited hospitals, not much you can do about that. They can't figure out how to build housing for people, they can't figure out how to build more hospitals. We definitely wouldn't have enough beds to take care of 1% of the population here, if you are looking at infection / death rates (considering the 1% death rate means that they are hospitalized prior to death). The problem just gets exacerbated when you start importing cases with tourists, that affect not only the tourists who will need beds, but the locals they infected needing beds too. Hawaii just isn't well equipped to handle a pandemic and there is no way to get us to that point anytime soon.
Prudential808
06-15-20, 04:43
GMA reports elderly black male survived three (3) months in hospital (of COVID 19 care) and released today. Costs for his care total $1. 1 million; he has Medicare and health insurance so will not pay the bulk of costs. That's the new added catastrophe along with the current economic, social, etc. , problems. When it rains, it pours. Take care, stay safe because seeing more people not doing the masking and distancing; they act like this thing is pau, or something.If AMP open their door, when will you go there?
AMP inside seems perfect confined small space that I must share bed and woman and sweat, breath with random people I can not track. I am not sure whether I dare to go sooner or later. No place can change bed sheets every time and can not follow guideline hotels can do- 24 hrs mandatory vacancy after check out. Changing all bed sheets whether it is clean or not.
And though I go, I am not sure whether I can try kissing anymore. A girl who kiss me must do same thing with 100 men. Did not get spooked by std that much, but medical bills that I may get in case really scare me and push me away from sharing economy.
WarriorForLife
06-23-20, 05:45
I have this body pain and running nose for couple of days now. I have not get tested yet, so I am not going to visit any bar. Drove by NB, saw this grandma and a LVB talking outside, both of them not wearing face mask. Seem like they have not gotten the words COVID 19 is spiking in the last few days.
So stay home. The rest of us will go. More for us..
Thumperforq
06-23-20, 11:34
I have this body pain and running nose for couple of days now. I have not get tested yet, so I am not going to visit any bar. Drove by NB, saw this grandma and a LVB talking outside, both of them not wearing face mask. Seem like they have not gotten the words COVID 19 is spiking in the last few days.
.That's not covid. If you do have Covid, you have over 99% chance of no hospitalization and recovery. Stop spending hysteria. Get out in the sun and let us and heat do its thing.
WarriorForLife
06-23-20, 15:37
KBs is completely different with Waikiki bars, majority of KBs customers are old farts, grandpa, and seniors, etc. Their immune system are so much weaker than the Waikiki young studs. Recovery time are much longer and many of them end up in ICU with tube shove down their throat. Also lots of these KBGs are over 50's to 60's. Some go to work without mask where they sit with truck load of grandpas make it even more risky. You takes your risk and I am not going to take my for now. Good luck to all princesses and LVBs, hope everything is fine with them.
That's not covid. If you do have Covid, you have over 99% chance of no hospitalization and recovery. Stop spending hysteria. Get out in the sun and let us and heat do its thing
So stay home. The rest of us will go. More for us.Went to a bar in aiea this past Friday. The capacity of the bar was 50 people. When I walked in there was about 50 people there. The bar area had people shoulder to shoulder, plus karaoke singing was allowed. I left. This bar should be cited. They are jeopardizing other bars that are following the covid rules.
Gargoyles1
06-24-20, 13:51
Covid-19 is less fatal than flu to most young people under age 40.
If young people get infected with influenza, they will show symptom whether severe or not. But covid will not show. So young people can spread virus easily while they don't know.
How long the whole world can force young people to stay at home? Not long.
India, Pakistan, Laos, many of African countries gave up officially. They know virus will be fatal to old ones but there is no money to feed young people at home. Most states in USA lack unemployment benefit fund. Will their rental and mortgage exempted forever? No eviction does not mean no payment. When income tax gone, who will pay for welfare for the demanding? Federal for 330 million people? Or will we raise income tax of essential workers to feed the rest? No money no honey here. And no money no lock down it is true.
Already more than 100 thousands small business across mainland disappear, Boeing announced at least 25% of their employee will be fired and their outsourcing factories are out of business. Alaskan airline officially 3 K employee firing. 2,500 stores of Victoria secret closed permanently, half of jc Penney mall, Only 1/3 of hotel can survive next year. Many Mexicans going back when their minimum jobs just disappear, many hospitals may go broke when covid dominates but no payment is made yet. Clinics like cosmetic surgery fire receptionist, part time nurse. Yes it is in mainland with much more choice and population than Hawaii.I still see the same bar customers sitting on the bar. Nothing change3. LOL.
Went to a bar in aiea this past Friday. The capacity of the bar was 50 people. When I walked in there was about 50 people there. The bar area had people shoulder to shoulder, plus karaoke singing was allowed. I left. This bar should be cited. They are jeopardizing other bars that are following the covid rules.That's right. They will ruin it for the other bars. Call the Liquor Com. And file a complaint for that bar. Better yet, Which bar was it?
WarriorForLife
06-24-20, 17:09
Just the beginning, LC probably let it slide under the table for now. But eventually when people voice it out and COVID 19 surge, they will enforce it with vengeance. Heard mainland LC revoke and suspend bar licence for many establishments. It usually a few bad apples spoil it for many others. Just heard COVID 19 have a record setting surge nationwide today.
Went to a bar in aiea this past Friday. The capacity of the bar was 50 people. When I walked in there was about 50 people there. The bar area had people shoulder to shoulder, plus karaoke singing was allowed. I left. This bar should be cited. They are jeopardizing other bars that are following the covid rules.
That's right. They will ruin it for the other bars. Call the Liquor Com. And file a complaint for that bar. Better yet, Which bar was it?If so, they probably so desperate, willing to be reckless, and take chances. Still no excuse for the violations (s) as it affects others' personal and public health; contributing to possible future lockdown, IMO.
I still see the same bar customers sitting on the bar. Nothing change3. LOL.Old habits are hard to break, LOL. They probably sitting on or near their regular pre-COVID 19 positions on the bar.
Thumperforq
06-24-20, 22:58
If so, they probably so desperate, willing to be reckless, and take chances. Still no excuse for the violations (s) as it affects others' personal and public health; contributing to possible future lockdown, IMO.
Old habits are hard to break, LOL. They probably sitting on or near their regular pre-COVID 19 positions on the bar.Take it to the covid 19 section. That's what it's there for. Not all of us share your fears of Covid 19.
ReallyOldGuy
06-25-20, 14:56
Good news: state plans to implement policy where visitors can avoid 14 days quarantine by having a valid covid test 3 days before getting here. Bad news: program to start 1 Aug.
Long hot summer for us guys with some relief in sight. Hopefully, AMP workers coming back. Regards, rog.
WarriorForLife
06-25-20, 18:17
Heard one of the grandma princesses has COVID 19 resting at home. Do your family a favor, please wear mask and 6 feet distancing when you go to KBs.
Take it to the covid 19 section. That's what it's there for. Not all of us share your fears of Covid 19..
Heard one of the grandma princesses has COVID 19 resting at home. Do your family a favor, please wear mask and 6 feet distancing when you go to KBs.The ones who love their birthplace Hawaii and its people will follow. It's not about being scared of COVID 19, it's about respect, compassion, and Aloha. F the virus? Nope, the virus going F you.
Prudential808
06-25-20, 20:27
In mainland with a lot of reckless people. Really they seem to stop caring about virus, if you die you die, do not bother my enjoyment get away from me attitude, even government seem to watch carefully high risk place like massage parlor, night club, tattoo parlor but Hawaii seems least cautious about those places.
WarriorForLife
06-25-20, 21:22
Agree, can't believe some people are so naive, thinking of COVID 19 will not infect them. Enjoy now and suffer later, they don't care. Feel sorry for their spouse, parent, family at home. Innocent people tend get the jerk.
The ones who love their birthplace Hawaii and its people will follow. It's not about being scared of COVID 19, it's about respect, compassion, and Aloha. F the virus? Nope, the virus going F you.
Captin Crunch
06-25-20, 21:28
Heard one of the grandma princesses has COVID 19 resting at home. Do your family a favor, please wear mask and 6 feet distancing when you go to KBs.
.Korean Bar Gramma Princess?
Thumperforq
06-25-20, 21:38
The ones who love their birthplace Hawaii and its people will follow. It's not about being scared of COVID 19, it's about respect, compassion, and Aloha. F the virus? Nope, the virus going F you.Aloha, respect, and compassion is opening the state for business and not falling in-line with everything the Democrat party endorses. After all it's OK to riot and protest without social distancing. Masks only required, so you can't see who's burning buildings, looting stores, or pulling down statues.
In mainland with a lot of reckless people. Really they seem to stop caring about virus, if you die you die, do not bother my enjoyment get away from me attitude, even government seem to watch carefully high risk place like massage parlor, night club, tattoo parlor but Hawaii seems least cautious about those places.We've crossed over to the point of "to each his or her own". That is, let us each take responsibility for our own actions. Let us assess our own risks and live with our own decisions. If you want to go out to a bar, consume alcoholic beverages, swap saliva with strange women, smoke carcinogenic cigarettes, and all without a face mask and within 6 feet of each other- so be it. If you don't want to get sick, stay the fuck home. Covid cases are up, because testing is up. It used to be that you only got tested if you actually got admitted to ICU. Now they test everybody with symptoms or lived in close proximity to those who tested positive. Point is, the curve is still flat. No uptick in hospitalizations. We're finding out that the virus is not as lethal to those outside the high risk group. And the high risk groups are keeping their distance from others. For the rest of us, life goes on.
Going to the bar is a good thing. The sooner we get to 60% herd immunity, the sooner our economy starts back up.
GG.
ICU numbers are up, and hospital in the live free and die states are now packed. California, Texas, Florida all going hit the war zone crisis about the same time.
America, baby, you can stand, take a knee, don't wear a mask, fuck without a condom, let freedom ring. Just don't take anybody else down with you.
And yes I fuck them girls and shoot cum in their ass, mouth and pussies because I can, because this is America.
We've crossed over to the point of "to each his or her own". That is, let us each take responsibility for our own actions. Let us assess our own risks and live with our own decisions. If you want to go out to a bar, consume alcoholic beverages, swap saliva with strange women, smoke carcinogenic cigarettes, and all without a face mask and within 6 feet of each other- so be it. If you don't want to get sick, stay the fuck home. Covid cases are up, because testing is up. It used to be that you only got tested if you actually got admitted to ICU. Now they test everybody with symptoms or lived in close proximity to those who tested positive. Point is, the curve is still flat. No uptick in hospitalizations. We're finding out that the virus is not as lethal to those outside the high risk group. And the high risk groups are keeping their distance from others. For the rest of us, life goes on.
Going to the bar is a good thing. The sooner we get to 60% herd immunity, the sooner our economy starts back up.
GG.
Huggy Duggy
06-27-20, 05:25
We've crossed over to the point of "to each his or her own". That is, let us each take responsibility for our own actions. Let us assess our own risks and live with our own decisions. If you want to go out to a bar, consume alcoholic beverages, swap saliva with strange women, smoke carcinogenic cigarettes, and all without a face mask and within 6 feet of each other- so be it. If you don't want to get sick, stay the fuck home. Covid cases are up, because testing is up. It used to be that you only got tested if you actually got admitted to ICU. Now they test everybody with symptoms or lived in close proximity to those who tested positive. Point is, the curve is still flat. No uptick in hospitalizations. We're finding out that the virus is not as lethal to those outside the high risk group. And the high risk groups are keeping their distance from others. For the rest of us, life goes on.
Going to the bar is a good thing. The sooner we get to 60% herd immunity, the sooner our economy starts back up.
GG.Testing is up because of the surge in people showing symptoms of covid 19. The surge is due to opening up of business places at a fairly rapid pace, large gatherings of people lacking common sense by paying no attention to safe practices (during protests, riots, political rallys, street parties, crowded bars) etc. Etc.
There has been an uptick in hospital admissions in some areas. Just a few examples:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/26/884039381/houston-hospitals-are-seeing-surge-in-coronavirus-admissions
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/06/22/arizona-covid-19-june-22-update-hospital-metrics-hit-record-levels/3234845001/
ICU numbers are up, and hospital in the live free and die states are now packed. California, Texas, Florida all going hit the war zone crisis about the same time.
America, baby, you can stand, take a knee, don't wear a mask, fuck without a condom, let freedom ring. Just don't take anybody else down with you.
And yes I fuck them girls and shoot cum in their ass, mouth and pussies because I can, because this is America.There are currently just over 4,000 covid hospitalizations in Texas. CNN is reminding people every day that it is a RECORD NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS! So it has to be really bad right?
Texas is a big fucking state, it has 80,000 staffed hospital beds.
Let me do that again, 4,000 covid hospitalizations, 80,000 staffed beds. 18,000 beds reserved for covid alone.
4,000 hospital cases, 80,000 beds.
Once more, 4,000 hospital cases, 80,000 beds. In case you're wondering why I keep saying it, that means not packed, not packed by any stretch of the imagination, nowhere near packed. Sorta the opposite of packed.
Are you getting the picture? It's not a war zone, no matter how noble it makes you feel to say that you aren't in a war. Texas has 26,000,000 people living in it, the 4,000 hospital cases represent 0.015384615384615385% of the States population.
War zone? I'm thinking the people who survived Iraq might differ with you.
People like you are why 400,000,000 people world wide are being pushed into extreme poverty. People like you are why 20-40 million of them are going to die of starvation over the next couple years.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52211206
But keep shouting fire in a crowded theater, you should be ashamed.
A2.
There are currently just over 4,000 covid hospitalizations in Texas. CNN is reminding people every day that it is a RECORD NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS! So it has to be really bad right?
Texas is a big fucking state, it has 80,000 staffed hospital beds.
Let me do that again, 4,000 covid hospitalizations, 80,000 staffed beds. 18,000 beds reserved for covid alone.
4,000 hospital cases, 80,000 beds.
Once more, 4,000 hospital cases, 80,000 beds. In case you're wondering why I keep saying it, that means not packed, not packed by any stretch of the imagination, nowhere near packed. Sorta the opposite of packed.
Are you getting the picture? It's not a war zone, no matter how noble it makes you feel to say that you aren't in a war. Texas has 26,000,000 people living in it, the 4,000 hospital cases represent 0.015384615384615385% of the States population.
War zone? I'm thinking the people who survived Iraq might differ with you.
People like you are why 400,000,000 people world wide are being pushed into extreme poverty. People like you are why 20-40 million of them are going to die of starvation over the next couple years.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52211206
But keep shouting fire in a crowded theater, you should be ashamed.
A2.I think you might be conflating the availability of ICU beds versus hospital beds, if all of the available ICUs are occupied by COVID patients, there will be no ICUs available to patients who are having an unexpected medical emergency that will require an ICU to maintain life support.
AHA data: According to the AHA 2015 annual survey, the United States had 4862 acute care registered hospitals; 2814 of these had at least 10 acute care beds and at least 1 ICU bed. These hospitals had a total of 540,668 staffed beds and 94,837 ICU beds (14.3% ICU beds / total beds) in 5229 ICUs. There were 46,490 medical-surgical beds in 2644 units, 14,731 cardiac beds in 976 units, 6588 other beds in 379 units, 4698 pediatric beds in 307 units, and 22,330 neonatal beds in 920 units. The median number of beds in medical-surgical, cardiac, and other units was 12, with 10 beds in pediatrics and 18 in neonatal. Fifty-two percent of hospitals had 1 unit, 24% had 2 units, and 24% had 3 or more units.
I think you might be conflating the availability of ICU beds versus hospital beds, if all of the available ICUs are occupied by COVID patients, there will be no ICUs available to patients who are having an unexpected medical emergency that will require an ICU to maintain life support.
AHA data: According to the AHA 2015 annual survey, the United States had 4862 acute care registered hospitals; 2814 of these had at least 10 acute care beds and at least 1 ICU bed. These hospitals had a total of 540,668 staffed beds and 94,837 ICU beds (14.3% ICU beds / total beds) in 5229 ICUs. There were 46,490 medical-surgical beds in 2644 units, 14,731 cardiac beds in 976 units, 6588 other beds in 379 units, 4698 pediatric beds in 307 units, and 22,330 neonatal beds in 920 units. The median number of beds in medical-surgical, cardiac, and other units was 12, with 10 beds in pediatrics and 18 in neonatal. Fifty-two percent of hospitals had 1 unit, 24% had 2 units, and 24% had 3 or more units.You conflate the need for ICU beds, of the 4,000 cases of covid a fraction will require ICU beds which is great news and fits right in with the CDC's updated IFR of. 26%. Or like the other guy you can just make the same generalization that Cuomo did and just shut people down with "because Corona is death, it's death, because Corona is death" when actually it's only death in. 26% of the cases and it only needs ICU in a small number of cases because docs figured out putting people on vents was killing more than it saved.
I've never said it was nothing, but it's not the extinction level event that you and my brothers and sisters on the left (I'm still a lefty) want to keep making it because it's an election year.
This is what is really happening in Texas "To be clear, in Houston, the percentage of beds occupied by COVID patients is currently 12.9%. In Austin, the percentage of beds occupied by COVID patients is 10.2% but you know, 90% availability is nearly overwhelmed I guess.
NerdFriday
06-27-20, 19:12
I'm still shocked that barely anyone is talking about Cuomo's blunder, forcing care homes to intake "recovering" COVID patients. His decision may have cost as many at 10,000 lives, out of the fear of overburdening the healthcare system, which we know was unsubstantiated. Remember, this is the guy who complained about getting 3,000 ventilators because he thought he needed 30,000, and if his complaint was entertained, he may have pulled ventilators from other states which may have needed them. Then, he has the gall to go on CNN and engage in satire with his brother using oversized Q-tips as props to make fun of people who are afraid of being tested. Cuomo kills at least 4,000 people, probably more, then makes fun of people who are scared of getting tested?
Then, there's material about COVID in prisons, claiming "being in prison is a death sentence" because around 600 prisoners have died, so public outcry has caused political pressure to release prisoners without giving them a means of success outside of prison. 600 prisoners; 40,000 in care homes. People talking about prisoners but ignoring the fact that care homes are almost 500 x more deadly. Just to put it into perspective, 1% of the population is incarcerated and 1% are in care homes. The numbers 600 and 40,000 are appropriately scaled to each other.
WarriorForLife
06-29-20, 22:30
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/california-coronavirus-reopening.amp.html
Oh brothers, just think COVID 19 is fading, here it comes again.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/california-coronavirus-reopening.amp.html
Oh brothers, just think COVID 19 is fading, here it comes again.That's testing, nothing more, testing. Millions and millions and millions of people have covid and as the CDC says only. 26% are going to die. As long as people keep screaming that the sky is falling then shit will keep being fucked up, this shit isn't ever going to kill 1/3 of the people that die every year from heart disease and yet it's the end of life.
Cases are up because millions more are getting tested but less and less people every day are dying because all the people who were really susceptible to it have died. I know that sounds cold but it's just how it is.
Prudential808
06-30-20, 00:26
That's testing, nothing more, testing. Millions and millions and millions of people have covid and as the CDC says only. 26% are going to die. As long as people keep screaming that the sky is falling then shit will keep being fucked up, this shit isn't ever going to kill 1/3 of the people that die every year from heart disease and yet it's the end of life.
Cases are up because millions more are getting tested but less and less people every day are dying because all the people who were really susceptible to it have died. I know that sounds cold but it's just how it isAs lock down goes, much less people die from crime, car accident, sports accident and seasonal flu.
Sure more people, especially younger ones, may choose suicide from financial pressure or die from hunger, which really happened in Thailand and philiipines, India etc.
WarriorForLife
06-30-20, 01:12
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-06-27-20-intl/h_fbab72fe0305455af18e426e9b9a3fbc
Mass infection at a bar, 85 of them at a Michigan bar. Definitely need more testing before it gets out of hands.
NerdFriday
06-30-20, 06:14
That's testing, nothing more, testing. Millions and millions and millions of people have covid and as the CDC says only. 26% are going to die. As long as people keep screaming that the sky is falling then shit will keep being fucked up, this shit isn't ever going to kill 1/3 of the people that die every year from heart disease and yet it's the end of life.
Cases are up because millions more are getting tested but less and less people every day are dying because all the people who were really susceptible to it have died. I know that sounds cold but it's just how it is.People need to realize that COVID infection numbers are not the important statistic. We need to look at deaths, and not number of deaths, but the rate of death instead. The whole point of shutting down the economy, wearing masks, and social distancing was to "flatten the curve", not "eradicate the virus". Infection numbers and deaths will undoubtedly go up as we reopen, but people should only be concerned if more people are dying than were before.
In Hawaii, we've had a peak of about 35 cases mid-April, flatlined by mid-May, and then again spiked to 30 mid-June. That is a fact. What's also a fact, and is the detail most people are missing, is that 8 people died mid-April and ONLY 1 person has died since then.This means the rate of death is substantially lower, and that's the main objective--to get the rate of death as low as possible. People still die of the regular flu every year, but you can bet your life on the fact that you have a better chance of living today than you did 100 years ago. People should look at COVID the same way. No one is out there saying "There are 50 new cases of the regular flu this week, OMG we're all going to die".
We don't even have a vaccine or battery of specialized drugs for COVID yet, and we're still seeing a dramatically slowing rate of death. This is a great sign people. I'm not saying don't wear a mask or feel free to BBFS etc. , but you have a much better chance of living today than you did 2 months ago FOR SURE.
Prudential808
06-30-20, 07:53
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/new-strain-of-flu-in-china-has-pandemic-potential-scientists-warns.html
New strain of flu found in China has potential to become a pandemic, scientists warn.
No more happy active bar hopping and AMP tour to old guys??
Prudential808
06-30-20, 08:00
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-06-27-20-intl/h_fbab72fe0305455af18e426e9b9a3fbc
Mass infection at a bar, 85 of them at a Michigan bar. Definitely need more testing before it gets out of handsCruisin' chubbys gentlemen club in Wisconsin.
And Vancouver strip club outbreak.
Even stubborn Texan mayor confessed regret of early reopening, do not take me wrong. I am against lock down and I want to say one person must protect himself. If keeping away is protecting method, get away. Simple.
New era. Each own protection. Do not expect others will do keep social distancing and mask to make you live longer.
If you think you are vulnerable, keep away from bar hopping and AMP girls that deal with multiple guys without ppe.
If you don't mind potential exposure to virus and no people with underlying condition or senior to contact with, like me, just enjoy. But let's keep the rules if we are asked.
WarriorForLife
06-30-20, 16:19
Bars are super risky cause almost no one are wearing mask and distancing. Contact tracing now updated over 100 people got infected at the same Michigan bar.
Cruisin' chubbys gentlemen club in Wisconsin.
And Vancouver strip club outbreak.
Even stubborn Texan mayor confessed regret of early reopening, do not take me wrong. I am against lock down and I want to say one person must protect himself. If keeping away is protecting method, get away. Simple.
New era. Each own protection. Do not expect others will do keep social distancing and mask to make you live longer.
If you think you are vulnerable, keep away from bar hopping and AMP girls that deal with multiple guys without ppe.
If you don't mind potential exposure to virus and no people with underlying condition or senior to contact with, like me, just enjoy. But let's keep the rules if we are asked..
WarriorForLife
06-30-20, 17:24
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/30/health/fauci-stop-going-to-bars-trnd/index.html
Top infectious diseases expert Dr Fauci tell American do not go to bars. He said bars are a perfect breeding grounds for COVID 19. Over 85 people at a Michigan bar got infected and now 100 patrons infected at a Baton Rouge bar.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/30/health/fauci-stop-going-to-bars-trnd/index.html[/URL]
Top infectious diseases expert Dr Fauci tell American do not go to bars. He said bars are a perfect breeding grounds for COVID 19. Over 85 people at a Michigan bar got infected and now 100 patrons infected at a Baton Rouge bar.Think about it bars most peeps don't wear mask and people having fun talking singing even giving dollars to strippers all bars have a good chance of passing virus to others because of not wearing mask and this is fact look what's happening now in other states that has opened everything.
WarriorForLife
07-01-20, 22:42
A friend of my said he walked into a KB with a mask, people looked at him like he was an alien from Mars.
Think about it bars most peeps don't wear mask and people having fun talking singing even giving dollars to strippers all bars have a good chance of passing virus to others because of not wearing mask and this is fact look what's happening now in other states that has opened everything..
I have this body pain and running nose for couple of days now. I have not get tested yet, so I am not going to visit any bar. Drove by NB, saw this grandma and a LVB talking outside, both of them not wearing face mask. Seem like they have not gotten the words COVID 19 is spiking in the last few days.
.Thank you for being an intelligent responsible adult.
That kind of foresight is greatly needed during this time. Too bad other states thought they knew better than science.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/30/health/fauci-stop-going-to-bars-trnd/index.html
Top infectious diseases expert Dr Fauci tell American do not go to bars. He said bars are a perfect breeding grounds for COVID 19. Over 85 people at a Michigan bar got infected and now 100 patrons infected at a Baton Rouge bar.Just saying https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/05/15/dr-anthony-faucis-15-totally-wrong-predictions-and-contradictions/.
Here are some facts for the covid hysteria crowd.
The news reports about Texas cases spiking and the hospitals being full?
Fact: There are less than 5000 covid hospitalizations in Texas in a state with 85.000 staffed hospital beds. I'm going to say that again, 85,000 staffed beds, less than 5,000 cases of corona.
The news reports about ICU's at capacity in Texas? I mean you saw it every day along with the RECORD NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS right? It has to be the end of the world right? This has to be bad because irresponsible people were going out to bars and not wearing masks right? You saw the pictures of the naked people laying on their bellies intubated right? It has to be because the state opened early and covid cases went through the roof right?
Fact: 12.5% of the ICU patients in Houston and only 9% of the ICU patients in Austin were from covid, the rest were the run of the mill mostly preventable (eat a salad for fucks sake and take a walk) cardiac cases.
Over 85 people at a Michigan bar got infected and now 100 patrons infected at a Baton Rouge bar.
Fact: According to the CDC covid has a 99.74% overall survival rate which means that every one of those 185 people will likely survive. People get infectious diseases, some of them die, the vast majority live, just like those two doctors who's videos got removed from YouTube said.
If you want to be taken in by news outlets with both political and financial agendas that's fine but you get no virtue reward points for patting each other on the back over the biggest over reaction in recent history. 120,000 people have died that's sad, in 2018 90,000 people died from flu and nobody GAVE A FUCK. It wasn't on the news, there were no protests, no lockdowns, doctors in New York were treating people in tents outside of hospitals, they were using refrigerated trucks as temporary morgues, EXACTLY as it happened now including Neil Ferguson's wrong predictions about millions of people dying and not a single person cared.
It's an election year, nothing more.
Just saying https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/05/15/dr-anthony-faucis-15-totally-wrong-predictions-and-contradictions/.
Here are some facts for the covid hysteria crowd.
The news reports about Texas cases spiking and the hospitals being full?
Fact: There are less than 5000 covid hospitalizations in Texas in a state with 85.000 staffed hospital beds. I'm going to say that again, 85,000 staffed beds, less than 5,000 cases of corona.
The news reports about ICU's at capacity in Texas? I mean you saw it every day along with the RECORD NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS right? It has to be the end of the world right? This has to be bad because irresponsible people were going out to bars and not wearing masks right? You saw the pictures of the naked people laying on their bellies intubated right? It has to be because the state opened early and covid cases went through the roof right?
Fact: 12.5% of the ICU patients in Houston and only 9% of the ICU patients in Austin were from covid, the rest were the run of the mill mostly preventable (eat a salad for fucks sake and take a walk) cardiac cases.
Over 85 people at a Michigan bar got infected and now 100 patrons infected at a Baton Rouge bar.
Fact: According to the CDC covid has a 99.74% overall survival rate which means that every one of those 185 people will likely survive. People get infectious diseases, some of them die, the vast majority live, just like those two doctors who's videos got removed from YouTube said.
If you want to be taken in by news outlets with both political and financial agendas that's fine but you get no virtue reward points for patting each other on the back over the biggest over reaction in recent history. 120,000 people have died that's sad, in 2018 90,000 people died from flu and nobody GAVE A FUCK. It wasn't on the news, there were no protests, no lockdowns, doctors in New York were treating people in tents outside of hospitals, they were using refrigerated trucks as temporary morgues, EXACTLY as it happened now including Neil Ferguson's wrong predictions about millions of people dying and not a single person cared.
It's an election year, nothing more.I like your facts and pointing fingers at Fauci. Here's two for you.
Fact in February Trump said "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear.
Fact yesterday Trump said "I think that at some point, that it's going to sort of just disappear, I hope. ".
I'm still waiting, I hope he is right.
WarriorForLife
07-02-20, 13:47
It's really come down to people's choice, no one like to come down with COVID, it is the suffering and isolation you have to go through, and worry of infecting your family and others if you do get it make you be more careful about it. I do agree with the Doc that bars are breeding ground for COVID, most people are not wearing mask and distancing there. Seniors needs to think twice to step their foot in the bar cause their chance to get it are much higher than the younger ones, and the recovery time are much longer.
Just saying https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/05/15/dr-anthony-faucis-15-totally-wrong-predictions-and-contradictions/.
Here are some facts for the covid hysteria crowd.
The news reports about Texas cases spiking and the hospitals being full?
Fact: There are less than 5000 covid hospitalizations in Texas in a state with 85.000 staffed hospital beds. I'm going to say that again, 85,000 staffed beds, less than 5,000 cases of corona.
The news reports about ICU's at capacity in Texas? I mean you saw it every day along with the RECORD NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS right? It has to be the end of the world right? This has to be bad because irresponsible people were going out to bars and not wearing masks right? You saw the pictures of the naked people laying on their bellies intubated right? It has to be because the state opened early and covid cases went through the roof right?
Fact: 12.5% of the ICU patients in Houston and only 9% of the ICU patients in Austin were from covid, the rest were the run of the mill mostly preventable (eat a salad for fucks sake and take a walk) cardiac cases.
Over 85 people at a Michigan bar got infected and now 100 patrons infected at a Baton Rouge bar.
Fact: According to the CDC covid has a 99.74% overall survival rate which means that every one of those 185 people will likely survive. People get infectious diseases, some of them die, the vast majority live, just like those two doctors who's videos got removed from YouTube said.
If you want to be taken in by news outlets with both political and financial agendas that's fine but you get no virtue reward points for patting each other on the back over the biggest over reaction in recent history. 120,000 people have died that's sad, in 2018 90,000 people died from flu and nobody GAVE A FUCK. It wasn't on the news, there were no protests, no lockdowns, doctors in New York were treating people in tents outside of hospitals, they were using refrigerated trucks as temporary morgues, EXACTLY as it happened now including Neil Ferguson's wrong predictions about millions of people dying and not a single person cared.
It's an election year, nothing more.
Prudential808
07-02-20, 19:03
Here. Similar situation of income, welfare, medial service.
Singapore and italy.
Italy has very high rate of death while Singapre has low rate of death while second spike. Italy experienced medical collapse while Singapore did not though skyrocketing spike.
One reason: Italy has a lot of old patients.
Singapore, most patients are young male from foreign countries like Bangladeshi and other poor south-east countries. Their living condition is never good. Shitty like ww2 soldeirs' training camp. But they did not need hospitalization. Young males.
Age is the strongest weapon. Not only at AMP, strip clubs, but in corona era, younger and younger, better and better. In China newborn patients just needed 3 days for recovery even without special treatment. When aircraft carrier ship got cluster infection, there were barely death and icu, even hospitalization when the patients are 20-45 yo healthy guys.
How much should the whole world, especially tiny 1. 5 m population Hawaii where the nearest land is 6 he flight, stop economy?
Should we force 20's,30's,40's take risk of permanent unemployment and eviction to make old people feel safer? It is possible for short term. Not possible for long term.
Let kids live their own lives. Just give some regulation. That's it.
Instead of expecting the whole young ones to take recession for your old breath. You just keep your butt at home.
Is it so angry that old senior can not enjoy night life while young kids enjoy? Mad cause young people can fuck and drink?
Already I can say young kids meet each and fuck and dance and enjoy their time. Just not surfacing as directly as before.
There is no more perfect safe zone. Protect yourself. Bar girls, AMP girls are like car sharing without ppe. Unless you can pay 10 K. Month to hire exclusively, do not expect they will care about your health. Some can take risk. If you think you are too vulnerable, just stay at home. Let healthy young people live.
AmpAddict808
07-03-20, 01:32
Here. Similar situation of income, welfare, medial service.
Singapore and italy.
Italy has very high rate of death while Singapre has low rate of death while second spike. Italy experienced medical collapse while Singapore did not though skyrocketing spike.
One reason: Italy has a lot of old patients.
Singapore, most patients are young male from foreign countries like Bangladeshi and other poor south-east countries. Their living condition is never good. Shitty like ww2 soldeirs' training camp. But they did not need hospitalization. Young males.
Age is the strongest weapon. Not only at AMP, strip clubs, but in corona era, younger and younger, better and better. In China newborn patients just needed 3 days for recovery even without special treatment. When aircraft carrier ship got cluster infection, there were barely death and icu, even hospitalization when the patients are 20-45 yo healthy guys.
How much should the whole world, especially tiny 1. 5 m population Hawaii where the nearest land is 6 he flight, stop economy?
Should we force 20's,30's,40's take risk of permanent unemployment and eviction to make old people feel safer? It is possible for short term. Not possible for long term.
Let kids live their own lives. Just give some regulation. That's it.
Instead of expecting the whole young ones to take recession for your old breath. You just keep your butt at home.
Is it so angry that old senior can not enjoy night life while young kids enjoy? Mad cause young people can fuck and drink?
Already I can say young kids meet each and fuck and dance and enjoy their time. Just not surfacing as directly as before.
There is no more perfect safe zone. Protect yourself. Bar girls, AMP girls are like car sharing without ppe. Unless you can pay 10 K. Month to hire exclusively, do not expect they will care about your health. Some can take risk. If you think you are too vulnerable, just stay at home. Let healthy young people live.That means if you're older then stay away from all young people. Even from any in the same household.
Just saying https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/05/15/dr-anthony-faucis-15-totally-wrong-predictions-and-contradictions/.
Here are some facts for the covid hysteria crowd.
The news reports about Texas cases spiking and the hospitals being full?
Fact: There are less than 5000 covid hospitalizations in Texas in a state with 85.000 staffed hospital beds. I'm going to say that again, 85,000 staffed beds, less than 5,000 cases of corona.
The news reports about ICU's at capacity in Texas? I mean you saw it every day along with the RECORD NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS right? It has to be the end of the world right? This has to be bad because irresponsible people were going out to bars and not wearing masks right? You saw the pictures of the naked people laying on their bellies intubated right? It has to be because the state opened early and covid cases went through the roof right?
Fact: 12.5% of the ICU patients in Houston and only 9% of the ICU patients in Austin were from covid, the rest were the run of the mill mostly preventable (eat a salad for fucks sake and take a walk) cardiac cases.
Over 85 people at a Michigan bar got infected and now 100 patrons infected at a Baton Rouge bar.
Fact: According to the CDC covid has a 99.74% overall survival rate which means that every one of those 185 people will likely survive. People get infectious diseases, some of them die, the vast majority live, just like those two doctors who's videos got removed from YouTube said.
If you want to be taken in by news outlets with both political and financial agendas that's fine but you get no virtue reward points for patting each other on the back over the biggest over reaction in recent history. 120,000 people have died that's sad, in 2018 90,000 people died from flu and nobody GAVE A FUCK. It wasn't on the news, there were no protests, no lockdowns, doctors in New York were treating people in tents outside of hospitals, they were using refrigerated trucks as temporary morgues, EXACTLY as it happened now including Neil Ferguson's wrong predictions about millions of people dying and not a single person cared.
It's an election year, nothing more.I'm not trying to prove anyone is right or wrong, the simple fact is that we are always looking at yesterday's data and tomorrow's data will be worst when there is no uniform national plan to deal with this pandemic; therefore, the actions of the government and the population must take this hysteresis and not hysteria into account.
Here's the latest from Huston Texas.
"Texas saw an increase of 8,029 COVID-19 cases Wednesday — a second consecutive single-day record — as Texas Medical Center hospitals exceeded 100 percent of their ICU capacity for the first time during the pandemic. ".
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Daily-coronavirus-numbers-for-Houston-rest-of-15381161.php
Prudential808
07-03-20, 15:30
That means if you're older then stay away from all young people. Even from any in the same household.Then should I take risk of my life only to spend more unsafe time with young people?
Why not avoid crowd and reckless ages while contagious virus pandemic while I can avoid skiing if my joint is fucked up?
Hawaii seniors are lucky. Mainland kids really don't care and many seniors try to protect themselves cause they know they have no right to force all people to put their butt at home doing nothing for them.
WarriorForLife
07-03-20, 22:15
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/miami-hospital-flooded-critical-patients-coronavirus-cases-spike/story%3fid=71601370
The threat is real, you bet.
It's really come down to people's choice, no one like to come down with COVID, it is the suffering and isolation you have to go through, and worry of infecting your family and others if you do get it make you be more careful about it. I do agree with the Doc that bars are breeding ground for COVID, most people are not wearing mask and distancing there. Seniors needs to think twice to step their foot in the bar cause their chance to get it are much higher than the younger ones, and the recovery time are much longer.I would like to read reports of people who have recovered from ICU with this virus. What it feels like to be hooked up with tubes down the throat, and the other 2 holes for a couple of weeks.
Only reading about increase daily positive cases being tested.
I would rather wear a mask when out than lying on a bed knowing the end is near. Be safe, stay healthy.
WarriorForLife
07-04-20, 18:07
I have seen my own mom hooked up tube down her throat at ICU. She was begging me to tell the doctor to have her tube removed cause she was so uncomfortable. She could not talk with the tube so she wroted. I had tear in my eyes just to see her suffering and all I could do is to relay her message to the doc. I
I would like to read reports of people who have recovered from ICU with this virus. What it feels like to be hooked up with tubes down the throat, and the other 2 holes for a couple of weeks.
Only reading about increase daily positive cases being tested.
I would rather wear a mask when out than lying on a bed knowing the end is near. Be safe, stay healthy..
Prudential808
07-04-20, 23:23
One girls msged me that she would cancel coming to hawaii in August owing to cost.
She said with her insurance, not good not bad, it costs 300 USD to get test without symptom. And she thinks she will not earn more than 5 K a month if lie very low. So not coming benefit more if she consider rental here cause she does not want to sleep at AMP like before, round trip flight.
Thumperforq
07-05-20, 02:12
I have seen my own mom hooked up tube down her throat at ICU. She was begging me to tell the doctor to have her tube removed cause she was so uncomfortable. She could not talk with the tube so she wroted. I had tear in my eyes just to see her suffering and all I could do is to relay her message to the doc. I
.Very easy solution. Advanced health directive. Do not resuscitate. Do not intubate.
Prudential808
07-05-20, 04:43
I have seen my own mom hooked up tube down her throat at ICU. She was begging me to tell the doctor to have her tube removed cause she was so uncomfortable. She could not talk with the tube so she wroted. I had tear in my eyes just to see her suffering and all I could do is to relay her message to the doc. I
.Strip clubs in wisconsin, alaska.
Bars.
We can't eat cake if we want to keep it.
Choice now. If worry about getting virus, do not go to such places. And if you go, do not expect too intimate service anymore. See, don't touch. It is like new rule.
Death rate is not that high. But once hospitalization though not ICU, bills will never be happy ending if most of americans don't have that wonderful insurance.
Avoid.
If you enjoy, enjoy but avoid the vulnerable ones.
OMG. This is like new segregation era. Young and old, healthy and not healthy.
WarriorForLife
07-05-20, 05:41
http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13465100
Not trying to make hysteria question, In the state back home. Can anyone refuse to tell which hostess bar likely he or she get COVID from? I know we have a good contact tracing system here. But do we have the rights to remain silent in this matter? Thanks in advance.
Prudential808
07-05-20, 18:36
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-07-04/coronavirus-airborne-spread
Don't get freaked yet. This doesn't mean covid-19 can be spread as measles does.
But being with others without ppe in confined indoor space can be like that. I don't think any state can afford more lockdown any more. So all it is your choice and your responsibility.
According to CALDWELL if this continues looks like they going shut down places again and I'm sure it's going to be bars that they will close.
http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13465100Can anyone refuse to tell which hostess bar likely he or she get COVID from? But do we have the rights to remain silent in this matter?Depends on how much they value your information and how drastic (subpoena and daily $ fine) the methods to get your cooperation; you may become complicit by being uncooperative. Depends on the situation and circumstances so ask one legal advisor.
According to CALDWELL if this continues looks like they going shut down places again and I'm sure it's going to be bars that they will close.You know that already. Hope not, but you got to show the coaches you like play and not sit in the bench.
NerdFriday
07-08-20, 13:45
http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13465100
Not trying to make hysteria question, In the state back home. Can anyone refuse to tell which hostess bar likely he or she get COVID from? I know we have a good contact tracing system here. But do we have the rights to remain silent in this matter? Thanks in advance.The simplest answer is: I don't remember everywhere I went.
Example: I went to McDonalds for lunch, then I went to Safeway and Walmart to buy groceries. I don't think I went anywhere else that week. I also ordered dinner from DoorDash a couple of times that week and didn't wear my mask everywhere prior to it being mandatory.
See, in Japanese culture, they would divulge they went to a hostess bar purely out of consideration for other guests and employees. Out of the same consideration, they would also not name the bar, because it's not necessary. Everyone who should know will know to watch their shit, while unsavory 3rd parties won't have enough information to act. In order to prove a type of complacency, you would need to have an absolute connection equating an unwillingness to act is just as harmful as the act itself. You have to remember that a "cluster" of cases does not prove who actually transmitted it, nor does it specifically implicate anyone who has it from being a transmitter.
I don't know Japanese law, but in American law the statement "I don't know" goes a long way. Just don't say "I don't know" if they can prove you know or should have known. This is also why it's important not to lie to your attorney and tell them everything, LOL.
*DISCLAIMER* I'm not an attorney and nothing I say here should constitute legal advice. Consult with an attorney before making any statements.
Prudential808
07-08-20, 17:30
Hawaii seems to be the only place that does not worry about economy.
Mainland and east Asia are now struggling with continuous new Bankrumptcy and firing. Federal aid for unemplyment benefit will end while many at home just find their position and workplace disappear forever.
They don't have money. Vacation in Hawaii is not for job seekers or struggling middle class.
People will not come that much.
A lot of alternative destination in their menu. Hawaii is NOT the only option that people must come.
In summer even local lake can easily replace tropical tour. And they are cheaper and more accessible. Time saving too. And more welcoming. No need to take 300-1,000 USD test with healthy condition. As we will go to other bars if I have to pay to be with worst hostess, they will not come here to be picked on by locals.
As coronavirus spreading last and more and more see their friends lose job everyday, most will choose frugal and saving than vacation spree.
GotStimulusYet
07-08-20, 18:49
Covid-19 started way back in January 2020 but maybe late 2019 and the US didn't find out till early February 2020. Trump said it was a hoax as he was dealing with impeachment proceedings.
His mind at the time (fucked up) decided to let the virus kill others as the US should be safe and said the virus will disappear.
It disappeared all the way to the WH. Haha.
Now some citizens don't want to wear a mask. It's ok, don't bother them, there Superman / Wonder Woman and kryptonite will win. Try being on a ventilator than simply wearing a mask? Be safe, for others sake.
Incogfilipino
07-08-20, 22:40
Hawaii seems to be the only place that does not worry about economy.
Mainland and east Asia are now struggling with continuous new Bankrumptcy and firing. Federal aid for unemplyment benefit will end while many at home just find their position and workplace disappear forever.
They don't have money. Vacation in Hawaii is not for job seekers or struggling middle class.
People will not come that much.
A lot of alternative destination in their menu. Hawaii is NOT the only option that people must come.
In summer even local lake can easily replace tropical tour. And they are cheaper and more accessible. Time saving too. And more welcoming. No need to take 300-1,000 USD test with healthy condition. As we will go to other bars if I have to pay to be with worst hostess, they will not come here to be picked on by locals.
As coronavirus spreading last and more and more see their friends lose job everyday, most will choose frugal and saving than vacation spree.I think there should be some aggressive moves for travel bubbles. Many tourists don't drop that much cash here, especially those staying in illegal AirBNB. Also lose out on tax money due to the AirBNB. Hawaii should be targeting the rich Koreans and Japanese, funneling them towards hotels and all that. Selling them luxury travel packages. Would also open up Hawaii residents headed to Japan and Korea. Of course, with cases spiking here again, our local government not getting a control of the tourists who are coming here and breaking quarantine, I don't think any of those countries will bite anymore.
Prudential808
07-09-20, 03:38
I think there should be some aggressive moves for travel bubbles. Many tourists don't drop that much cash here, especially those staying in illegal AirBNB. Also lose out on tax money due to the AirBNB. Hawaii should be targeting the rich Koreans and Japanese, funneling them towards hotels and all that. Selling them luxury travel packages. Would also open up Hawaii residents headed to Japan and Korea. Of course, with cases spiking here again, our local government not getting a control of the tourists who are coming here and breaking quarantine, I don't think any of those countries will bite anymore.Even Thai tourism minister declared "hard but inevitable change".
They announced for long that chose quantity than quality and has been known for cheap water sports, cheap shopping and notorious cheap sex tour, and that image pushed "vips" that can spend hefty of money away into Seychelles, Maldives and HK, Tokyo.
In lasting pandemic, Thai must change. Quality than quantity. 50 K shopping from one middle east rich than 50 K from 500 gogo bar clients. One family at 5 stars resorts than 100 young guys at hostels.
And Thai starts "70% discount tour course for locals". Now Thai people can enjoy cheap tour if recession did not affect them much.
Now soon we can go to Thai, if we can pay resorts quarantine fee for minimum 14 days in phuket.
Thai government said they must shift industry structure into more manufacture and agriculture.
It must be hard for most of tourism countries but there is no way. Tourists will not love lands as much as locals, and not easy to track.
Incogfilipino
07-09-20, 15:26
Even Thai tourism minister declared "hard but inevitable change".
They announced for long that chose quantity than quality and has been known for cheap water sports, cheap shopping and notorious cheap sex tour, and that image pushed "vips" that can spend hefty of money away into Seychelles, Maldives and HK, Tokyo.
In lasting pandemic, Thai must change. Quality than quantity. 50 K shopping from one middle east rich than 50 K from 500 gogo bar clients. One family at 5 stars resorts than 100 young guys at hostels.
And Thai starts "70% discount tour course for locals". Now Thai people can enjoy cheap tour if recession did not affect them much.
Now soon we can go to Thai, if we can pay resorts quarantine fee for minimum 14 days in phuket.
Thai government said they must shift industry structure into more manufacture and agriculture.
It must be hard for most of tourism countries but there is no way. Tourists will not love lands as much as locals, and not easy to track.I wish there was a travel bubble between us and Thailand. I do my mongering on the side there, but I typically stay for at least two weeks a year and I do so in 5 star hotels, so a 5 star hotel requirement wouldn't bother me in the least. The current plans from Thailand got scrapped though. No clue when things will actually open up there. Even flights right now are all tentative since without official statements from their government, no one knows if they will even be let in.
Talking about economies and the virus.
Sweden didn't shut down and now they are seeing super high deaths rates without any economic benefit that trump keeps using as reasons to reopen early.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/business/sweden-has-become-the-worlds-cautionary-tale/%3famp=1
Good point, bro. You know we went have 10 year recession before, and all them career politician said they going diversify economy. The only thing we have to show is more entrance fees for tourist attractions. No bold moves, in fact Abercrombie eliminated tax breaks for high tech, and solar tax credits. Not his fault, its Hawaii people who voted him then Ige in.
No gambling, no lottery, we should have both. The NFL showed us how to have world class experience with Pro Bowl, and when they handed it over to the state, failure to execute.
Listen to the candidates, and see who has a plan and answers. Only one does as far as I can see, and it ain't the coach.
I think there should be some aggressive moves for travel bubbles. Many tourists don't drop that much cash here, especially those staying in illegal AirBNB. Also lose out on tax money due to the AirBNB. Hawaii should be targeting the rich Koreans and Japanese, funneling them towards hotels and all that. Selling them luxury travel packages. Would also open up Hawaii residents headed to Japan and Korea. Of course, with cases spiking here again, our local government not getting a control of the tourists who are coming here and breaking quarantine, I don't think any of those countries will bite anymore.
Good point, bro. You know we went have 10 year recession before, and all them career politician said they going diversify economy. The only thing we have to show is more entrance fees for tourist attractions. No bold moves, in fact Abercrombie eliminated tax breaks for high tech, and solar tax credits. Not his fault, its Hawaii people who voted him then Ige in.
No gambling, no lottery, we should have both. The NFL showed us how to have world class experience with Pro Bowl, and when they handed it over to the state, failure to execute.
Listen to the candidates, and see who has a plan and answers. Only one does as far as I can see, and it ain't the coach.Whichever candidate is pro-lottery gets my vote. We badly need that now more than ever before.
Incogfilipino
07-11-20, 16:01
Whichever candidate is pro-lottery gets my vote. We badly need that now more than ever before.
No gambling, no lottery, we should have both. The NFL showed us how to have world class experience with Pro Bowl, and when they handed it over to the state, failure to execute.
After living places that have a lottery and then living here for 20 years. I can't see too much effect on our economy to have a lottery. I've always felt that a lottery is a tax on the poor though. The people who would benefit from it the most spend a disproportionate amount of their income on it. Gambling tends to bring another set of problems too. As far as enticing other industries, tech is tough since our infrastructure is shit. Hawaii doesn't have a ton of skilled tech workers or developers locally, even though I have been mostly working remote and can do so fine, I think scaling that would be impossible. Even gamers in Hawaii complain about the ping here, but not much we can do when we are literally an ocean apart from the states and Asia. Looking at areas like the Bay Area, it could even compound some issues if you introduce tons of highly paid tech workers here.
The pandemic really continues to highlight all the issues we have in the country. As well as the state.
I don't think any of the people running for leadership positions in the government here are worth a shit though.
Blackbriar
07-13-20, 14:20
Misty Blue - 4 booths packed. Probably a golf party. To many loud, drunk, mask less customers. Ladies didn't wear the masks properly but at least they did temperature checks.
Sunflower. No sunshine there.
Choi's. Less sunshine there.
Acacia. Hana Marie was outside smoking looking for business. Was looking for her sister Ann. Anyone know where she went?
Whichever candidate is pro-lottery gets my vote. We badly need that now more than ever before.At least permit us (Hawaii resident, US citizen) to participate in other domestic, regional lotteries without penalty; impose limits, whatever, but let us play. We could receive reciprocal monetary support in return for our contributions. Just IMO.
In the meantime, prep for one nodda shutdown possibly coming soon due to new daily COVID 19 infection and death numbers. If no like learn, do work, flunk: stay home. I no like but personal and public health needed to fully reopen.
At least permit us (Hawaii resident, US citizen) to participate in other domestic, regional lotteries without penalty; impose limits, whatever, but let us play. We could receive reciprocal monetary support in return for our contributions. Just IMO.
In the meantime, prep for one nodda shutdown possibly coming soon due to new daily COVID 19 infection and death numbers. If no like learn, do work, flunk: stay home. I no like but personal and public health needed to fully reopen.There's been some good talent coming in. Enjoy while you can before the second shutdown.
Prudential808
07-14-20, 00:51
Will California talents come to Hawaii?
StripedFashion
07-17-20, 14:23
I have only mongered twice since lock down. I probably should not even be mongering at all but we all have our vices.
Only thing about protocol I realized after session the other day is the wash your hands / sanitizer bit. I, like many of you, love to smell my fingers (and pussy juice, in general) after each session. Sometimes for days. All day.
I remember going to smell my fingers when I was leaving the premises and got a nice whiff of rubbing alcohol. Fuck you, Rona!
NerdFriday
07-19-20, 13:30
Did mayor say city will investigate bars? Someone said that but I can not find news about it.Yesterday there was an article about them shutting down Cafe Gangnam for 24 hours. While not a "Korean bar" in this forums context, it is a "bar".
Key points: A complaint was made at 1 am. Investigators went there shortly after the complaint and took action.
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/cafe-gangnam-shut-down-for-violating-emergency-order-on-oahu/
Incogfilipino
07-19-20, 14:54
Did mayor say city will investigate bars? Someone said that but I can not find news about it.https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/07/19/hawaii-news/hawaii-sees-20-new-coronavirus-cases-as-statewide-tally-rises-to-1354-2/
Cafe Gangnam was shutdown for 24 hours.
Blackbriar
07-19-20, 16:00
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/07/19/hawaii-news/hawaii-sees-20-new-coronavirus-cases-as-statewide-tally-rises-to-1354-2/
Cafe Gangnam was shutdown for 24 hours.When the ban on bars was lifted last month, I was at 904 and overheard some guys bragging about how Cleopatra was open almost everyday during the lockdown. Saying stuff like nobody wearing masks especially staff and mama not believing in the pandemic. Hope nobody got sick while going there.
Thumperforq
07-19-20, 16:34
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/07/19/hawaii-news/hawaii-sees-20-new-coronavirus-cases-as-statewide-tally-rises-to-1354-2/
Cafe Gangnam was shutdown for 24 hours.More stupidity by Caldwell and Ige. Prohibition didn't work in the 1920's and 30's; just led to the rise of organized crime aka Mafia. LOL.
Incogfilipino
07-19-20, 17:49
More stupidity by Caldwell and Ige. Prohibition didn't work in the 1920's and 30's; just led to the rise of organized crime aka Mafia. LOL.Honestly I think it is less prohibition and more just trying to protect people from themselves. There have been a lot of clusters related to bars in the mainland, so that is what they are trying to prevent here. At this point, I think shit is out of control in the US anyway so might as well just let whoever wants to get sick, get sick. Eventually enough people will die and people will take it seriously or people will just keep dying until the curve flattens for everyone else. I don't think this half assed approach is going to work, you either shut everything down and keep it closed or you don't. Can't have your cake and eat it too. That's more for the coronavirus thread I guess, but at this point, I think we have failed to contain it so why not just open all the bars.
FlojaliniShot
07-20-20, 06:39
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/07/19/hawaii-news/hawaii-sees-20-new-coronavirus-cases-as-statewide-tally-rises-to-1354-2/
Cafe Gangnam was shutdown for 24 hours.They have been getting complaints by surrounding neighbors for quite some time pre-covid and want that place shut down.
Thumperforq
07-20-20, 12:31
Honestly I think it is less prohibition and more just trying to protect people from themselves. There have been a lot of clusters related to bars in the mainland, so that is what they are trying to prevent here. At this point, I think shit is out of control in the US anyway so might as well just let whoever wants to get sick, get sick. Eventually enough people will die and people will take it seriously or people will just keep dying until the curve flattens for everyone else. I don't think this half assed approach is going to work, you either shut everything down and keep it closed or you don't. Can't have your cake and eat it too. That's more for the coronavirus thread I guess, but at this point, I think we have failed to contain it so why not just open all the bars.Same with prohibition. Trying to save people from themselves. It doesn't work, so it becomes an excuse for control.
Honestly I think it is less prohibition and more just trying to protect people from themselves. There have been a lot of clusters related to bars in the mainland, so that is what they are trying to prevent here. At this point, I think shit is out of control in the US anyway so might as well just let whoever wants to get sick, get sick. Eventually enough people will die and people will take it seriously or people will just keep dying until the curve flattens for everyone else. I don't think this half assed approach is going to work, you either shut everything down and keep it closed or you don't. Can't have your cake and eat it too. That's more for the coronavirus thread I guess, but at this point, I think we have failed to contain it so why not just open all the bars.That' s right, bruddah. These selfish ones are impeding on our rights to freely pursue KB, employment, family, health, and safety. Perhaps this COVID 19 is nature's way of regression to the mean and balance; a means to reflect introspectively and make improvements.
The volunteer guinea pigs should be allowed to volunteer, LOL. Let um go, let um be the ones on the news. Mother Nature always wins.
That' s right, bruddah. These selfish ones are impeding on our rights to freely pursue KB, employment, family, health, and safety. Perhaps this COVID 19 is nature's way of regression to the mean and balance; a means to reflect introspectively and make improvements.
Thumperforq
07-20-20, 21:55
That' s right, bruddah. These selfish ones are impeding on our rights to freely pursue KB, employment, family, health, and safety. Perhaps this COVID 19 is nature's way of regression to the mean and balance; a means to reflect introspectively and make improvements.The only one impeding on your rights to go out is you and your fears.
Incogfilipino
07-20-20, 22:51
Not a KB but related to the conversation:
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/07/20/breaking-news/honolulu-liquor-commission-shuts-down-2nd-bar-for-violating-coronavirus-rules/
A bar in Waiks shut down now. Wonder if any of the KBs will risk things as more places get dinged.
Not a KB but related to the conversation: A bar in Waiks shut down now. Wonder if any of the KBs will risk things as more places get dinged.If KBs and other venues like gamble with their liquor license and public safety then more sanctions coming.
MasterChief69
07-21-20, 05:58
Not a KB but related to the conversation:
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/07/20/breaking-news/honolulu-liquor-commission-shuts-down-2nd-bar-for-violating-coronavirus-rules/
A bar in Waiks shut down now. Wonder if any of the KBs will risk things as more places get dingedTapas is basically a gay bar. They weren't following any of the precautions that are being stuck to at other places like Irish Rose, Kelly's and Suzy Wong's. All the surrounding buildings can fully see Tapas flaunting it cause its open topped and they were having some big dress up party. I saw people there today in the late afternoon.
Lualualei808
07-22-20, 01:04
Thru the KBG wireless, a bartender at Splash had contacted the covid-19 virus. Can anyone confirm?
Thru the KBG wireless, a bartender at Splash had contacted the covid-19 virus. Can anyone confirm?Just got off the horn and found out that person of interest went to Splash on Wed, got sick the following Sat Jul 18. KBG at Splash got tested with negative results one week after he was there. So he couldn't have been sick then to infect anyone there since 7 days has already passed. According to Lt governor, Dr. Green it takes between 1- 7 days after exposure to COVID-19 to show symptoms.
If he was infected on Wed, then at least one or several KBG will show positive.
Thru the KBG wireless, a bartender at Splash had contacted the covid-19 virus. Can anyone confirm?I was planning to go to Splash this week to check it out. But now this has me worried. Will probably go back to Kalihi this week. I saw a girl last week and asked her if the bar was busy. She told me that she is not working unless her customer calls her and then she will come to work. Most of the girls only see their regulars since it is very difficult to pick up new customers at the bars right now.
Viet Whisperer
07-23-20, 09:59
I was planning to go to Splash this week to check it out. But now this has me worried. Will probably go back to Kalihi this week. I saw a girl last week and asked her if the bar was busy. She told me that she is not working unless her customer calls her and then she will come to work. Most of the girls only see their regulars since it is very difficult to pick up new customers at the bars right now.This was on Sandra from Splash's KakaoTalk page and caught my eye. It sounds like just gossipy bs going on. I trust her personality but make your own decisions.
This was on Sandra from Splash's KakaoTalk page and caught my eye. It sounds like just gossipy bs going on. I trust her personality but make your own decisions.Recently published research found that on average, the time from exposure to symptom onset (known as the incubation period) is about five to six days. However, studies have shown that symptoms could appear as soon as three days after exposure to as long as 13 days later. This could adversley affect this KB & KBG.
There are no testing dates for the (presumably authentic) posted results, therefore invalidating the evidence. Do not fear, but proceed with caution; caution is often mistaken for fear by cowards. Disclaimer: the above information is deemed accurate, but not guaranteed.
Thumperforq
07-23-20, 21:11
Recently published research found that on average, the time from exposure to symptom onset (known as the incubation period) is about five to six days. However, studies have shown that symptoms could appear as soon as three days after exposure to as long as 13 days later. This could adversley affect this KB & KBG.
There are no testing dates for the (presumably authentic) posted results, therefore invalidating the evidence. Do not fear, but proceed with caution; caution is often mistaken for fear by cowards. Disclaimer: the above information is deemed accurate, but not guaranteed.This isn't caution. Just another veiled attempt to discourage people from going out.
PanochaMan
07-23-20, 23:46
This was on Sandra from Splash's KakaoTalk page and caught my eye. It sounds like just gossipy bs going on. I trust her personality but make your own decisions.All a negative test shows is that the person was negative leading up to and at the time that the test was taken. Not saying she isn't clean, but it only takes one instance to change everything. You are the only person who can decide for yourself what and who is safe.
FleshPrince
07-23-20, 23:47
This isn't caution. Just another veiled attempt to discourage people from going out.I think a lot of people miss going to bars and are raring to hit them again. However they are reluctant due to the potential risks to their health. What are your recommendations as they relate to hitting their beloved bars? Perhaps you can provide some enlightening advice or guidance.
Thumperforq
07-24-20, 10:53
I think a lot of people miss going to bars and are raring to hit them again. However they are reluctant due to the potential risks to their health. What are your recommendations as they relate to hitting their beloved bars? Perhaps you can provide some enlightening advice or guidance.Just go. I go every week and spend time with my favorite. No mask; sitting next to or fucking in backrooms. No masks. No fear of catching something that has a less than 0. 5% of killing you or causing injury.
FleshPrince
07-24-20, 17:08
Just go. I go every week and spend time with my favorite. No mask; sitting next to or fucking in backrooms. No masks. No fear of catching something that has a less than 0. 5% of killing you or causing injury.I think you have to consider that we're talking about korean bars, so the majority of the people you're advising are in a high-risk demographic due to age, underlying conditions, physical condition, etc. Therefore to advise them to just go without fear and without regard for precautions seems irresponsible. Unless you believe, as Chuck Woolery did, that the covid is not real and everyone is lying about it. Until his son got it, that is.
Just go. I go every week and spend time with my favorite. No mask; sitting next to or fucking in backrooms. No masks. No fear of catching something that has a less than 0. 5% of killing you or causing injury.Thats great if you are alone. Have fun with it. I have kapuna and don't want to be responsible for their illness as it has been proven that older people have higher death rates up to 12 x that of younger people. I wouldn't want to be the person that caused another death. Sometimes it is not about you but is about the health of others. Also it is not helping the overall situation which at this point is pointing towards another shutdown as people won't take personal responsibility.
Thumperforq
07-24-20, 20:19
I think you have to consider that we're talking about korean bars, so the majority of the people you're advising are in a high-risk demographic due to age, underlying conditions, physical condition, etc. Therefore to advise them to just go without fear and without regard for precautions seems irresponsible. Unless you believe, as Chuck Woolery did, that the covid is not real and everyone is lying about it. Until his son got it, that is.Give me a break. I'm probably older than you and and I take care of my Kupuna. You can't be afraid of dying or causing others to die. Been there, done that, with guys trying to kill us in the Bush. Just live. If it's time to go, it's time to go. Live like there's not going to be a tomorrow.
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Keep that bullshit on the fight thread.
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DreamGirls100
07-25-20, 08:28
This was on Sandra from Splash's KakaoTalk page and caught my eye. It sounds like just gossipy bs going on. I trust her personality but make your own decisions.An old man without symptom spread virus to bar girl in VIP room. They found when He died.
If it is true so that man confessed when he died, health department would do something.
Bar VIP room is not safe at all. Though I think rumors go too far. My thoughts. Avoid if feel uncomfortable, enjoy if feel ok.
Prudential808
07-26-20, 15:23
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8479417/Security-Melbourne-quarantine-hotels-SEX-returned-travellers-spread-coronavirus.html
People fucked and gave births to babies even while middle age black death time. Fuck fuck fuck while 1/3-2/1 of population died.
My friend died this past week from virus. The girl he was seeing has virus. Supposedly bar was closed Saturday and yesterday for cleaning. He was roaming the Waiakamilo complex the week before. Chance them if you want, that's your right.Not KBs, but if you went to these two bars between July 16-26, contact your doc for possible COVID 19 exposure: Brix & Bones (Hopaka St.), Arena 808 (Keeaumoku St.). If you one tough guy, no need for yourself; do it for the sake of others. This info from Star Advertiser article, 07/27/2020; do your own research to confirm.
Thumperforq
07-28-20, 00:08
Not KBs, but if you went to these two bars between July 16-26, contact your doc for possible COVID 19 exposure: Brix & Bones (Hopaka St.), Arena 808 (Keeaumoku St.). If you one tough guy, no need for yourself; do it for the sake of others. This info from Star Advertiser article, 07/27/2020; do your own research to confirm.Sports bar and kiddie night club. Put in the covid 19 section not the KB section.
Caldwell said waiting for city Lawyers Bars going to be shutdown which I really don't agree with I rather have them shutdown these bars that they trace back that spreading the virus they all been warned not right to punish all bars but looks like they are going to.
My friend died this past week from virus. The girl he was seeing has virus. Supposedly bar was closed Saturday and yesterday for cleaning. He was roaming the Waiakamilo complex the week before.This is tragic especially with (it is assumed) an asymptomatic element to this virus. The Waiakamilo KB 5-plex was ripe with lots of KBGs and bar hoppers; prime for possiblities of super-spreading. Like they (medicos) say, we going lose the battle unless everybody cooperates and contributes toward this problem; no be one covidiot.
Bar owners better get together and start protesting. All the conservative BS Caldwell is trying to implement is really going to kill bars this time around. It's already ridiculous he has them close at 12 which just encourages people to rush and get together at the same times even more so. Not to mention many just renewed their liquor licenses back in June. I've heard a few bars already planning to shutdown for good if the 10 pm closure was to be implemented. Can't imagine what's going to happen if Ige okays closure with no compensation this time. Lot of the precautions aren't making sense. I'm just so over already the way Ige and Caldwell handled this whole pandemic.
OK can someone tell me why all bars need to be shutdown? I get bars are the cause of the spike but why not just shutdown the ones that are traces to causing spike so example the 4 bars that were on tv 2 busted other 2 corna traces to there bar they should be shutdown 3 weeks but until the others get busted or traced they should be given a chance to at least prove themselves cause they all know they will be shutdown if they don't follow the rules.
Bar owners better get together and start protesting. All the conservative BS Caldwell is trying to implement is really going to kill bars this time around. It's already ridiculous he has them close at 12 which just encourages people to rush and get together at the same times even more so. Not to mention many just renewed their liquor licenses back in June. I've heard a few bars already planning to shutdown for good if the 10 pm closure was to be implemented. Can't imagine what's going to happen if Ige okays closure with no compensation this time. Lot of the precautions aren't making sense. I'm just so over already the way Ige and Caldwell handled this whole pandemic.Those two ass wipes don't even have a plan to tackle covid. If I was a bar owner I would sue caldwell for discrimination. What about the city and county bus. They have no social distancing rules. They get crammed in like sardines. Where's the 50 percent capacity or 6 foot distancing. Caldwell and the city makes their own rules but when it comes to the city turn a blind eye. Iges news conference said a bar is where people go to hang out socially. So what do you call all the people crammed in the bus?
OK can someone tell me why all bars need to be shutdown? I get bars are the cause of the spike but why not just shutdown the ones that are traces to causing spike so example the 4 bars that were on tv 2 busted other 2 corna traces to there bar they should be shutdown 3 weeks but until the others get busted or traced they should be given a chance to at least prove themselves cause they all know they will be shutdown if they don't follow the rules.Because we got a mayor who wants to play god and a gov who is totally in over his head. When the hell people are going to start learning, until the medical world can create at least some sort of cure this virus will always be around. You would think our leaders would've come to that realization since the lockdown. If we got to do lockdown again, then go full on lockdown with some compensations in place. Other than that the spike is inevitable. Really got to wonder now who is going to survive the 3 weeks.
Bars shutdown again maybe and idk if bars already doing this but they should start trying to take temperature at the door if anyone has temperature they not allowed in just like hospitals if not Virus will be traced back to them and there business is done if not already and even the employees and girls that going be coming to buy me drinky need to get temperature checked but I guess by social distance law not sure how that going work either but bars are going to be hurting big time.
HornyinHawaii
07-31-20, 02:24
Because we got a mayor who wants to play god and a gov who is totally in over his head. When the hell people are going to start learning, until the medical world can create at least some sort of cure this virus will always be around. You would think our leaders would've come to that realization since the lockdown. If we got to do lockdown again, then go full on lockdown with some compensations in place. Other than that the spike is inevitable. Really got to wonder now who is going to survive the 3 weeksBecause alcohol causes covid.
SureYourRight
07-31-20, 03:51
OK can someone tell me why all bars need to be shutdown? I get bars are the cause of the spike but why not just shutdown the ones that are traces to causing spike so example the 4 bars that were on tv 2 busted other 2 corna traces to there bar they should be shutdown 3 weeks but until the others get busted or traced they should be given a chance to at least prove themselves cause they all know they will be shutdown if they don't follow the rules.We have a couple issues here. Tourist are pouring into the island right now because flights are cheap, and other places are restarting quarantine, meanwhile Hawaii has pretty relaxed standards. People in bars / clubs / etc are not social distancing or avoiding contact. The bars are hesitant to enforce rules because most are desperate for money after the first shutdown. Some places are flouting the state mandatory closing time and remaining open after hours but its hard to catch. The tourist that are here, are violating quarantine because the state doesn't have the manpower to track them. People have posted online tutorials about how to circumvent Hawaii's quarantine and landlords / rental owners are so desperate for money right now they are writing short term leases for tourist and keeping quiet when they don't stay inside for 14 days. The news isn't reporting the growing amount of parties and social gatherings that HPD has to break up, but the numbers show Hawaii is getting lax about the virus.
We have a couple issues here. Tourist are pouring into the island right now because flights are cheap, and other places are restarting quarantine, meanwhile Hawaii has pretty relaxed standards. People in bars / clubs / etc are not social distancing or avoiding contact. The bars are hesitant to enforce rules because most are desperate for money after the first shutdown. Some places are flouting the state mandatory closing time and remaining open after hours but its hard to catch. The tourist that are here, are violating quarantine because the state doesn't have the manpower to track them. People have posted online tutorials about how to circumvent Hawaii's quarantine and landlords / rental owners are so desperate for money right now they are writing short term leases for tourist and keeping quiet when they don't stay inside for 14 days. The news isn't reporting the growing amount of parties and social gatherings that HPD has to break up, but the numbers show Hawaii is getting lax about the virus.Good they shut the bars down getting out of hand here with triple digit cases. What the hell are they allowing tourists to come here for LOL what can they really do here not much! We don't need more foreigners coming here from out of state. Going to get worse that way and some of those idiots from the mainland are the ones partying at the beaches and waikiki or private residence. Yes the tourists are violating quarantine rules and making it worse cause they don't care. I'm glad that father and son got caught in Mccully. Its getting to triple digit numbers and it might not get better for awhile getting nutz.
Bars we all know is very high risk that's why they been shut down but what's interesting is I haven't heard about any Coronavirus link to Massage parlors and barber shops, restaurants which is very good and proves these place are being carefully safe not sure really how bars can be safe only thing I can think of is bars need to take temperature for those to get in other than that's not sure what else they can do.
Prudential808
08-02-20, 12:17
Bars we all know is very high risk that's why they been shut down but what's interesting is I haven't heard about any Coronavirus link to Massage parlors and barber shops, restaurants which is very good and proves these place are being carefully safe not sure really how bars can be safe only thing I can think of is bars need to take temperature for those to get in other than that's not sure what else they can do.No one will honestly confess he get it from BBFS with 55 years old prostitute.
Hair salon, massage therapist would be safe IF both follow strict guideline. No grandpa grumble barber shop doesn't offer no mask, a lot of tongue job. I went to restaurant a few days ago. Reception, addressing food all done with mask and minimum conversation. People seemed to wait till waiter went far enough till they took off mask and ate.
But alcohol may make people reckless or too brave.
JackMayhoff
08-02-20, 14:35
Bars we all know is very high risk that's why they been shut down but what's interesting is I haven't heard about any Coronavirus link to Massage parlors and barber shops, restaurants which is very good and proves these place are being carefully safe not sure really how bars can be safe only thing I can think of is bars need to take temperature for those to get in other than that's not sure what else they can do.Taking temps at the door is helpful but not fool proof because someone can be contagious without showing symptoms. I think there probably is spread going on in massage parlors but no one is going to admit to the contact tracer that he was at a massage parlor LOL.
I went to Boss last week and sat with one bargirl who kept her mask on the whole time and she had bad English already and so I couldn't understand a thing she was saying! And I didn't even know if she was pretty because of her mask. It was like being on a Middle East dating show.
I think it depends on the bar. When I went to one bar in Waikiki, everyone stayed to themselves. It was busy but no one was mingling, so it was pretty safe. At a place like arena808, everyone knows everyone so people are wandering around and talking story and mingling and that's what makes it dangerous. I wasn't surprised it got the rona. Scarlet too, too many guys trying to socialize instead of staying in their groups.
The Local locals more the cool calm cruise types no make Ehhhh. Guessing Tiny was the beginning of what our now generation are, energy, look at me seeking look at my IG and all the show me.Long time (30 years) ago the buggah was walking on Nimitz Hwy like one zombie early in the morning; think he was mentally or emotionally distraught. He was arrested and made the news.
Incogfilipino
08-02-20, 15:28
Taking temps at the door is helpful but not fool proof because someone can be contagious without showing symptoms. I think there probably is spread going on in massage parlors but no one is going to admit to the contact tracer that he was at a massage parlor LOL.
To make that assumption, we would have to have enough contact tracers to admit to in the first place. Ige admitted that the state doesn't have enough to keep up with the recent surge. If they can't keep up with the recent surge, no way they could handle a full blown influx of tourists. They can't even keep the few hundred tourists a day that we are getting in their rooms for quarantine. It's all local transmission right now anyway, we can't even keep up with that.
AmpAddict808
08-02-20, 16:46
Bars we all know is very high risk that's why they been shut down but what's interesting is I haven't heard about any Coronavirus link to Massage parlors and barber shops, restaurants which is very good and proves these place are being carefully safe not sure really how bars can be safe only thing I can think of is bars need to take temperature for those to get in other than that's not sure what else they can do.Yes, bars are high risk. They really do not provide any service of real use to the public. A bar is designed to crowd people in close proximity for an extended time in an enclosed place to drink and talk. A restaurant, barber shop, hair salon, or legit massage businesses do provide a service to benefit the person / body. I guess you can also say that massage / AMP parlors do provide a beneficial service too. As far as bars being closed, people can drink at home and stay off the roads.
Thumperforq
08-02-20, 16:47
Good they shut the bars down getting out of hand here with triple digit cases. What the hell are they allowing tourists to come here for LOL what can they really do here not much! We don't need more foreigners coming here from out of state. Going to get worse that way and some of those idiots from the mainland are the ones partying at the beaches and waikiki or private residence. Yes the tourists are violating quarantine rules and making it worse cause they don't care. I'm glad that father and son got caught in Mccully. Its getting to triple digit numbers and it might not get better for awhile getting nutz.This is the normal second wave of a disease. It would've happened whether you open now or 6 months fom now. Enough with the hysteria and fear.
Prudential808
08-02-20, 17:58
To make that assumption, we would have to have enough contact tracers to admit to in the first place. Ige admitted that the state doesn't have enough to keep up with the recent surge. If they can't keep up with the recent surge, no way they could handle a full blown influx of tourists. They can't even keep the few hundred tourists a day that we are getting in their rooms for quarantine. It's all local transmission right now anyway, we can't even keep up with that.One of my friend came from mainland. While quarantine, he got zero calling. Only one text in the second day morning. He got msg he can call to number 3 xxxx if the place had serious issue. If returning local without heavy baggage come, took flight tag at airport, there may be no way to detect his arbitrary behavior.
FleshPrince
08-02-20, 18:47
This is the normal second wave of a disease. It would've happened whether you open now or 6 months fom now. Enough with the hysteria and fear.What is your prediction for when schools reopen in the fall? I know you advocate for the live and let die mantra. You may get your wish if and when they do reopen in the fall? Also, how many normal waves are there supposed to be? Please enlighten us so we know what to expect and to quell everyone's fears.
Thumperforq
08-02-20, 23:44
An old man without symptom spread virus to bar girl in VIP room. They found when He died.
If it is true so that man confessed when he died, health department would do something.
Bar VIP room is not safe at all. Though I think rumors go too far. My thoughts. Avoid if feel uncomfortable, enjoy if feel ok.
What is your prediction for when schools reopen in the fall? I know you advocate for the live and let die mantra. You may get your wish if and when they do reopen in the fall? Also, how many normal waves are there supposed to be? Please enlighten us so we know what to expect and to quell everyone's fears.Depends on 3 factors:
1. Mutation rate of the virus.
2. Mutation changes lethality of the virus or changes it's contagiousness.
3. How quickly humans develop anti-bodies to the virus.
During the 1918 Spanish Flu, they took the same precautions you see now. Masks, shutting down entertainment establishments, isolation. It did not slow or stop the virus. Spanish Flu was actually a version of Avian Flu, which was much more contagious than SARS. In the case of the Spanish Flu, ther were 2 more seasonal waves, so pandemic did not end until 1919-1920, when it mutated to a form that was less lethal and humans developed antibodies to it.
Covid itself has already mutated since it left Wuhan. It mutated in Italy and it mutated in NYC and LA. There are many strains now, making it harder to develop a vaccine. It's lethality is low compared to Spanish Flu and is comparable to a bad flu season.
Long time (30 years) ago the buggah was walking on Nimitz Hwy like one zombie early in the morning; think he was mentally or emotionally distraught. He was arrested and made the newsMits, I remember that one, even my ex (good friends with his ex) told me about it and usual me saying? And? Crazy how people changes.
FleshPrince
08-03-20, 03:36
Depends on 3 factors:
1. Mutation rate of the virus.
2. Mutation changes lethality of the virus or changes it's contagiousness.
3. How quickly humans develop anti-bodies to the virus.
During the 1918 Spanish Flu, they took the same precautions you see now. Masks, shutting down entertainment establishments, isolation. It did not slow or stop the virus. Spanish Flu was actually a version of Avian Flu, which was much more contagious than SARS. In the case of the Spanish Flu, ther were 2 more seasonal waves, so pandemic did not end until 1919-1920, when it mutated to a form that was less lethal and humans developed antibodies to it.
Covid itself has already mutated since it left Wuhan. It mutated in Italy and it mutated in NYC and LA. There are many strains now, making it harder to develop a vaccine. It's lethality is low compared to Spanish Flu and is comparable to a bad flu season.Sorry but your answer didn't exactly inspire confidence that we have nothing to fear. If anything, it caused me more concern that this thing could get even more out of control under the scenarios that you cited. If the virus mutates further than it has, and that makes it more difficult to develop a vaccine, and yet the schools reopen and everything reopens, the USA Is in deep trouble I would say. The lethality rate may not be as high as other pandemics, but it's particularly troubling that 1) there's no cure or vaccine yet and 2) the virus is highly contagious.
Flu season coming up and with winter people locked up in confined spaces will boost numbers.
Covid mortality rate is way higher than the flu. Although it's not accurate to co pare the two as there are so many factors at play (flu vaccines covid high transmission rate covid ability to transmit through air flu not reported as deaths. Etc.).
There were 15,455 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week ending April 21,2020.
There were 14,478 COVID-19 deaths reported in the US during the week prior.
There were 351 flu deaths during the peak week (week 11 of 2016) of the flu season in 2015-16.
There were 1626 flu deaths during the peak week (week 3 of 2018) of the flu season in 2018-19.
Flu season coming up and with winter people locked up in confined spaces will boost numbers.
Covid mortality rate is way higher than the flu. Although it's not accurate to co pare the two as there are so many factors at play (flu vaccines covid high transmission rate covid ability to transmit through air flu not reported as deaths. Etc.).Additionally, COVID is still an immature, evolving, and mysterious virus; if the qualified experts are surprised and baffled at its ability to mutate quickly, then a viable (not rushed Russian) vaccine may not be realized quick enough, as noted below via FPrince.
If the virus mutates further than it has, and that makes it more difficult to develop a vaccine, and yet the schools reopen and everything reopens, the USA Is in deep trouble I would say. The lethality rate may not be as high as other pandemics, but it's particularly troubling that 1) there's no cure or vaccine yet and 2) the virus is highly contagious.That's the nut: mutating and highly contagious. Cannot compare to past, similar strains of this corona virus but deadly nevertheless due to its yet unknown (and lethal) potential.
Well the Gov is saying if these 100 plus count continues another lock down is coming. So those who don't want another lock down should be smart and follow the rules if you don't care then do want you want free live life but don't come on here and complain when those assholes CALDWELL and Ige shut the state down again. For me it was OK when the state was shutdown was able to go Costco and Sam club put in gas without lines LOL.
Thumperforq
08-04-20, 00:47
Sorry but your answer didn't exactly inspire confidence that we have nothing to fear. If anything, it caused me more concern that this thing could get even more out of control under the scenarios that you cited. If the virus mutates further than it has, and that makes it more difficult to develop a vaccine, and yet the schools reopen and everything reopens, the USA Is in deep trouble I would say. The lethality rate may not be as high as other pandemics, but it's particularly troubling that 1) there's no cure or vaccine yet and 2) the virus is highly contagious.Yhat's why you have to let it run it's course until you reach herd immunity. You are also making assumption that it will mutate into something more lethal and contagious. History has shown that for the virus to survive, the opposite occurs. It becomes less lethal and viral. If it kills off the host population too quickly, it doesn't survive or replicate as efficiently.
PointDexterJr
08-04-20, 02:45
Yhat's why you have to let it run it's course until you reach herd immunity. You are also making assumption that it will mutate into something more lethal and contagious. History has shown that for the virus to survive, the opposite occurs. It becomes less lethal and viral. If it kills off the host population too quickly, it doesn't survive or replicate as efficiently.Thumper, I think you need to re-evaluate that scenario.
Herd immunity typically occurs at about 50%-65% infection.
If we are at about 5 M, in a pop of 330 M with deaths of about 157 k.
Even if we were to have a slow infection rate and not overwhelm the healthcare infrastructure (ICU beds, Ventilators and healthcare workers) - we would need about 140 M to 150 M to achieve herd immunity.
This is an increase of about 30 fold. Even if we assume the dealth rate will be half of what it is now, we are talking 2. 25 M deaths.
FleshPrince
08-04-20, 06:40
Thumper, I think you need to re-evaluate that scenario.
Herd immunity typically occurs at about 50%-65% infection.
If we are at about 5 M, in a pop of 330 M with deaths of about 157 k.
Even if we were to have a slow infection rate and not overwhelm the healthcare infrastructure (ICU beds, Ventilators and healthcare workers) - we would need about 140 M to 150 M to achieve herd immunity.
This is an increase of about 30 fold. Even if we assume the dealth rate will be half of what it is now, we are talking 2. 25 M deaths.Excellent point. You saved me some keystrokes.
Thumperforq
08-04-20, 10:55
Thumper, I think you need to re-evaluate that scenario.
Herd immunity typically occurs at about 50%-65% infection.
If we are at about 5 M, in a pop of 330 M with deaths of about 157 k.
Even if we were to have a slow infection rate and not overwhelm the healthcare infrastructure (ICU beds, Ventilators and healthcare workers) - we would need about 140 M to 150 M to achieve herd immunity.
This is an increase of about 30 fold. Even if we assume the dealth rate will be half of what it is now, we are talking 2. 25 M deaths.Your current number of Covid deaths is skewed high. Auto accident deaths being reported as covid deaths, pneumonia deathc are being reported as covid deaths, heart disease deaths are being reported as covid deaths, etc. The actual death rate from just coorona is much lower. It's liwere than the 1918 Spanish Flu. Also herd immunity would take several years to achieve, so the million deaths from covid alone would probably be spread over 3 - 5 years. The number of deaths per year would be similar to the flu.
Well the Gov is saying if these 100 plus count continues another lock down is coming. So those who don't want another lock down should be smart and follow the rules if you don't care then do want you want free live life but don't come on here and complain when those assholes CALDWELL and Ige shut the state down again. For me it was OK when the state was shutdown was able to go Costco and Sam club put in gas without lines LOL.A lockdown is necessary again but our quarantine rules don't make sense. The penalty $2000 is too lenient after you have stayed 10 days going all around the island and finally get caught on your last day of your vacation. I've read that when China puts you in quarantine there's no way out. They guards all exists till your 14 days are done. They will provide you with meals daily and it's keeps the cases down. I know we rely heavily on tourism but it's up to people to follow these rules or we back to square one again.
No more that extra $600 for now but a $1200 plus dependents might help just a little.
Your current number of Covid deaths is skewed high. Auto accident deaths being reported as covid deaths, pneumonia deathc are being reported as covid deaths, heart disease deaths are being reported as covid deaths, etc. The actual death rate from just coorona is much lower. It's liwere than the 1918 Spanish Flu. Also herd immunity would take several years to achieve, so the million deaths from covid alone would probably be spread over 3 - 5 years. The number of deaths per year would be similar to the flu.That is not accurate.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/
According to legit science sources the numbers are roughly accurate as for all those over diagnosed that die there are also a huge amount that are under reported because they die alone without being tested.
Also the virus attacks the respiratory system and damages the heart. So obviously any deaths related to those would be counted. Flu deaths are counted similarly as the flu doesn’t usually kill people it’s the repercussions it has on respiratory functions.
Herd immunity would've hard as people who were once infected can get it again thus reducing the amount of potential immune members of society.
Thumperforq
08-04-20, 17:41
That is not accurate.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/
According to legit science sources the numbers are roughly accurate as for all those over diagnosed that die there are also a huge amount that are under reported because they die alone without being tested.
Also the virus attacks the respiratory system and damages the heart. So obviously any deaths related to those would be counted. Flu deaths are counted similarly as the flu doesnt usually kill people its the repercussions it has on respiratory functions.
Herd immunity would've hard as people who were once infected can get it again thus reducing the amount of potential immune members of society.And neither is factcheck. Org, which has a known leftist slant.
FleshPrince
08-04-20, 18:43
Your current number of Covid deaths is skewed high. Auto accident deaths being reported as covid deaths, pneumonia deathc are being reported as covid deaths, heart disease deaths are being reported as covid deaths, etc. The actual death rate from just coorona is much lower. It's liwere than the 1918 Spanish Flu. Also herd immunity would take several years to achieve, so the million deaths from covid alone would probably be spread over 3 - 5 years. The number of deaths per year would be similar to the flu.In mid-July the Trump administration cut the CDC out of the reporting of covid data from hospitals. Since then, the hospitals have been required to report stats directly to Washington. And since then and most recently, the USA deaths have been INCREASING to an average of 1000 per day.
So since you brought the political aspect into this discussion, please explain why the Trump admin would be overstating the covid deaths as you suggested is happening. The Trump admin is now in control over the covid reporting data and yet the numbers are still RISING. Are you suggesting that the Trump admin is torpedoing its own reelection chances?
Thumperforq
08-04-20, 18:51
In mid-July the Trump administration cut the CDC out of the reporting of covid data from hospitals. Since then, the hospitals have been required to report stats directly to Washington. And since then and most recently, the USA deaths have been INCREASING to an average of 1000 per day.
So since you brought the political aspect into this discussion, please explain why the Trump admin would be overstating the covid deaths as you suggested is happening. The Trump admin is now in control over the covid reporting data and yet the numbers are still RISING. Are you suggesting that the Trump admin is torpedoing its own reelection chances?The CDC is still collecting the numbers and reporting. They haven't cleaned up the database and at this point I don't know if they can. If you have a second wave, the deaths would be 8 ncreasing, although the most recent data shows it leveling off in the Southwest, so it looks like the death rate may be reaching its peak and will soon be declining.
FleshPrince
08-04-20, 18:55
The CDC is still collecting the numbers and reporting. They haven't cleaned up the database and at this point I don't know if they can. If you have a second wave, the deaths would be 8 ncreasing, although the most recent data shows it leveling off in the Southwest, so it looks like the death rate may be reaching its peak and will soon be declining.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5441730002
Hope this link works.
Thumperforq
08-04-20, 22:16
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5441730002
Hope this link works.Your article is over 2 weeks old. CDC is reporting data.
FleshPrince
08-04-20, 23:26
Your article is over 2 weeks old. CDC is reporting data.Your argument still does not hold water. If the CDC is reporting covid data that is overstated (as you claim), why wouldn't the Trump administration call them out for it? And the CDC may be reporting data, but the White House is the one either feeding the data to the Cdc or at the very least fact checking it.
Wouldn't there be a huge story broken by Fox news or the Trump administration that the CDC is way off in its released data if that was the case?
Since there isn't a bombshell story, one can reasonably say that the covid deaths being reported must be reasonably accurate.
SHUTDOWN AGAIN. I wonder when they are going to stop Tourist from coming to the Islands tho I don't believe it's the tourist that's causing this spike.
As I posted in the strip club clubs forum:
Was just told there's a possible cluster at 939. Employee tested positive.
If you were there in late July from 23rd to the 25th, get yourself checked.
Itll be in the news tonight.
If you haven't figured it out, its like if there is a shark in the water, just swim faster than the other victim, LOL. No get caught, live another day.
All the super people who no like wear mask, no social distance, no belief this is real, they all required to sign a waiver that says they don't believe and will not seek medical treatment for covid in any Hawaii doctor, hospital, clinic for treatment, period. If they get sick, we send them to Mauna Kea where they can heal with the protesters on the sacred site must be magical that important to the world.
Come on all you non believers step up sign the letter and be free to do whatever you want.
If you haven't figured it out, its like if there is a shark in the water, just swim faster than the other victim, LOL. No get caught, live another day.
All the super people who no like wear mask, no social distance, no belief this is real, they all required to sign a waiver that says they don't believe and will not seek medical treatment for covid in any Hawaii doctor, hospital, clinic for treatment, period. If they get sick, we send them to Mauna Kea where they can heal with the protesters on the sacred site must be magical that important to the world.
Come on all you non believers step up sign the letter and be free to do whatever you want.I love this! I'm so tired of seeing people who are careless and carefree. I feel bad for EMS staffs, doctors, nurses, grocery staffs, who have to deal with those who refuse to follow orders and don't believe in the virus prevention effort.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/worlds-top-epidemiologists-masks-dont-work
Fuck with no cover, or with cover. Some get std with cover. Some never get without cover. Crap shoot. Maybe girl get pregnant, maybe not. Best you no fuck the pussy, mouth or ass at all, but we know that not happening you going fuck one of them holes eventually. Social distancing works for the most part, everything else short of vaccine and miracle can be argued, and American -up till the me, too and only black matter--America land of freedom, free will, free to live 99% risk, or 99% risk free. Covid bring out the worse in some (so many lies in me, too and other shit) and we give in hoping they all get Covid along with what matters, LOL.
Their choice, it's America. Bet you hoping they get the virus, too, LOL.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/worlds-top-epidemiologists-masks-dont-work
Harvard says here (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/08/09/covid-tests-cheap-home-tests-stop-pandemic-harvard-doc-says/3325446001/) we're doing it all wrong.
Harvard says here (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/08/09/covid-tests-cheap-home-tests-stop-pandemic-harvard-doc-says/3325446001/) we're doing it all wrong.Makes sense, practical (fast, cheap), and gets the testing out there from your home. The specifics are not known at this time but seems viable (without political interference).
If you haven't figured it out, its like if there is a shark in the water, just swim faster than the other victim, LOL. No get caught, live another day.
All the super people who no like wear mask, no social distance, no belief this is real, they all required to sign a waiver that says they don't believe and will not seek medical treatment for covid in any Hawaii doctor, hospital, clinic for treatment, period. If they get sick, we send them to Mauna Kea where they can heal with the protesters on the sacred site must be magical that important to the world.
Come on all you non believers step up sign the letter and be free to do whatever you want.This. +100.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/worlds-top-epidemiologists-masks-dont-workI wonder why my doctor and dentist wear them then?
NerdFriday
08-11-20, 01:20
Honestly, I think the factors for transmission are not well accounted for. Masks do inhibit the "spray" of respiratory droplets, but obviously the risk of those droplets ending up in your system varies greatly considering all other things.
The problem with the social distancing, mask-mandating, gathering-less-than-ten policies is that they are intentionally too encompassing by way of lazy policy-making, which has created a severe recoil by some people in society. For example, if smoking cigarettes is killing people, do you make smoking illegal? No. We tried that with prohibition and society didn't accept it. Instead, they make the purchase of tobacco 18 and then 21 years of age, limit the marketing of tobacco products, etc. To achieve a similar effect. We did not do this with COVID. We made large blanket policies and society is rejecting it, and the result is that people are making their own rules instead.
At this point, I don't know what is the truth anymore, except those in charge of making public policy are applying levels of broad restrictions that are not needed mostly so that their jurisdiction isn't as bad as "the other guys". I really believe that a persons COVID risk is greatly determined by their personal actions, not the actions of others. Yes, COVID can be transmitted, but this means that if I'm worried about my or someone else's health, then I should take it upon myself to do whatever I can to protect it, not demand that society change so that I can protect myself less. If I'm in contact with grandpa and grandma or the immuno-compromised, I should do things to mitigate risk to them, while a person who does not have the same considerations should be able to do whatever they want. That is what freedom is.
I'm not a anti-masker nor am I a pro-masker, because I don't project my beliefs on someone else. If I go into a place and no one is social-distancing or wearing a mask, I simply will accept the risk or I won't go. The fact that we have to make policy to force it one way or another is not how freedom works and it should never have come to this.
FleshPrince
08-11-20, 04:14
People need to realize that COVID infection numbers are not the important statistic. We need to look at deaths, and not number of deaths, but the rate of death instead. The whole point of shutting down the economy, wearing masks, and social distancing was to "flatten the curve", not "eradicate the virus". Infection numbers and deaths will undoubtedly go up as we reopen, but people should only be concerned if more people are dying than were before.
In Hawaii, we've had a peak of about 35 cases mid-April, flatlined by mid-May, and then again spiked to 30 mid-June. That is a fact. What's also a fact, and is the detail most people are missing, is that 8 people died mid-April and ONLY 1 person has died since then.This means the rate of death is substantially lower, and that's the main objective--to get the rate of death as low as possible. People still die of the regular flu every year, but you can bet your life on the fact that you have a better chance of living today than you did 100 years ago. People should look at COVID the same way. No one is out there saying "There are 50 new cases of the regular flu this week, OMG we're all going to die".
We don't even have a vaccine or battery of specialized drugs for COVID yet, and we're still seeing a dramatically slowing rate of death. This is a great sign people. I'm not saying don't wear a mask or feel free to BBFS etc. , but you have a much better chance of living today than you did 2 months ago FOR SURE.So as the community spread has ramped up on Oahu, I don't think it's accurate to say that my friend (who has a history of respiratory ailments), is "FOR SURE" safer now than he was before. I think the more the virus spreads, the higher the risk of him contracting it and succumbing to it. That would seem like common sense.
Honestly, I think the factors for transmission are not well accounted for. Masks do inhibit the "spray" of respiratory droplets, but obviously the risk of those droplets ending up in your system varies greatly considering all other things.
The problem with the social distancing, mask-mandating, gathering-less-than-ten policies is that they are intentionally too encompassing by way of lazy policy-making, which has created a severe recoil by some people in society. For example, if smoking cigarettes is killing people, do you make smoking illegal? No. We tried that with prohibition and society didn't accept it. Instead, they make the purchase of tobacco 18 and then 21 years of age, limit the marketing of tobacco products, etc. To achieve a similar effect. We did not do this with COVID. We made large blanket policies and society is rejecting it, and the result is that people are making their own rules instead.
At this point, I don't know what is the truth anymore, except those in charge of making public policy are applying levels of broad restrictions that are not needed mostly so that their jurisdiction isn't as bad as "the other guys". I really believe that a persons COVID risk is greatly determined by their personal actions, not the actions of others. Yes, COVID can be transmitted, but this means that if I'm worried about my or someone else's health, then I should take it upon myself to do whatever I can to protect it, not demand that society change so that I can protect myself less. If I'm in contact with grandpa and grandma or the immuno-compromised, I should do things to mitigate risk to them, while a person who does not have the same considerations should be able to do whatever they want. That is what freedom is.
I'm not a anti-masker nor am I a pro-masker, because I don't project my beliefs on someone else. If I go into a place and no one is social-distancing or wearing a mask, I simply will accept the risk or I won't go. The fact that we have to make policy to force it one way or another is not how freedom works and it should never have come to this.They have to make blanket statements because people are dumb and they are trying their best to force people to do what's best for themselves. If not people will make poor choices. Like the smoking example there are countless other times when the government had to step in to protect citizens from themselves. Seat belts. Alcohol restrictions. Pregnancy smoking / alcohol. Speed limits. Freedom has limits when it endangers the lives of others.
Just look at the idiots in Florida Texas Georgia etc. People dying. Number of covid cases in schools forcing them to do distance learning all year.
This also goes beyond the US. If this country can't get their act together it impacts tourism and money that comes in from other places. Asian countries didn't all demand their people wear mask or distance. They recommended and the population followed because they understand their behaviors affect more than just them selves. Still struggle to contain but much more successful than the US.
FlojaliniShot
08-11-20, 08:06
They have to make blanket statements because people are dumb and they are trying their best to force people to do what's best for themselves. If not people will make poor choices. Like the smoking example there are countless other times when the government had to step in to protect citizens from themselves. Seat belts. Alcohol restrictions. Pregnancy smoking / alcohol. Speed limits. Freedom has limits when it endangers the lives of others.
Just look at the idiots in Florida Texas Georgia etc. People dying. Number of covid cases in schools forcing them to do distance learning all year.
This also goes beyond the US. If this country can't get their act together it impacts tourism and money that comes in from other places. Asian countries didn't all demand their people wear mask or distance. They recommended and the population followed because they understand their behaviors affect more than just them selves. Still struggle to contain but much more successful than the US.Brazil is not far behind as well and their government is not handling the situation well. And Australia has the tightest restrictions are their numbers are increasing as well. So there is no stopping this virus. People need to understand that this ain't a joke.
People are ignorant especially beach goers that gather with family and friends from different household every single day not wearing a mask. We cause our own problems and revert back to beaches and bars closed again. Ruining it for others and have the government no choice. I hate to say this but I don't blame the state government I blame ignorant people no matter where they live for the rollbacks.
Freedom has limits when it endangers the lives of others.That's right. Once again, be wary of the far-right, libertarian, ghostwriting, immature, COVIDiots lacking common sense. Making your own rules and doing anything you want impinges on the rights of others (what about that?) and is not called freedom. Those types are called "pains in the ass."
Stop ruining Hawaii, my birthplace and land/people that I love.
NerdFriday
08-11-20, 13:54
So as the community spread has ramped up on Oahu, I don't think it's accurate to say that my friend (who has a history of respiratory ailments), is "FOR SURE" safer now than he was before. I think the more the virus spreads, the higher the risk of him contracting it and succumbing to it. That would seem like common sense.Cases will go up as more people reenter society, which is what happened when we did a soft reopening. That should be expected, and hence "we are for sure safer" after flattening the curve at the time my other post was written more than a month ago. The problem? We reopened and people went crazy doing things they didn't have to do, because in the total absence of freedom, people wanted to reclaim it. Remember, at one point we were so locked down that it was "essential travel only" and "only members of the same household in a vehicle".
And remember, while infection numbers are rising, rates of death are not, in raw form or any form of averages (Jan-March 8 deaths; June-Aug 10). In addition, according the Hawaii COVID statistics provided by the Department of Heath, many of the origins of the new cases are unknown going back to mid July. We have nearly 10 times the number of cases today as we did in March, with around the same number of deaths. To me, that means we are much safer today than we were in March.
They have to make blanket statements because people are dumb and they are trying their best to force people to do what's best for themselves. If not people will make poor choices. Like the smoking example there are countless other times when the government had to step in to protect citizens from themselves. Seat belts. Alcohol restrictions. Pregnancy smoking / alcohol. Speed limits. Freedom has limits when it endangers the lives of others.
Just look at the idiots in Florida Texas Georgia etc. People dying. Number of covid cases in schools forcing them to do distance learning all year.
This also goes beyond the US. If this country can't get their act together it impacts tourism and money that comes in from other places. Asian countries didn't all demand their people wear mask or distance. They recommended and the population followed because they understand their behaviors affect more than just them selves. Still struggle to contain but much more successful than the US.Yes, but what I'm trying to say is that these blanket statements and policies go against everything I learned in college, things which policy-makers should already know. These policies were made due to widespread hysteria, public pressure, and doctors who were giving opinions based on the absence of real data as testing which is what the scientific method is supposed to be all about. Fauci has been wrong, but I can't wholly blame him because every day he's pressured to give a new prediction, but the reality is that his opinions likely caused people like Cuomo to force nursinghomes to intake patients causing thousands of additional deaths which may have been unneceseesary policy. When you make broad-based policy, you will get a creation from a broad-base. The combination of the near total loss of freedoms and uncertainly of "facts and data" has created severe doubt in these large blanket policies which is why they are not so effective. Policy-makers should have made 30 specific rules instead of 3 board ones, because that's how rules are usually made.
With many of the examples you made e. G. "seatbelts, speedlimits, pregnancy etc. " are not near total loss of freedoms which is why the public has accepted them as policy. With the initial COVID lockdown, people were literally not allowed to go anywhere except work, doctor, and grocery store. That's the equivalent of making it so a car cannot start without a seatbelt inserted, can never exceed the speed limit, and only certain people can get pregnant if they can pass a drug test, high SAT score, show tax returns, and a credit check.
I feel you on people being reckless, and I agree, but the societal changes are the result of the all-encompassing policies made out of fear by politicians who are trying to keep their job and get a second term.
Most times when I ask why they no wear mask or distance, its because they say they healthy, young and not going die from it. When I tell them they can kill me, the say, oh well. Selfish pricks and bitches.
Silly to say we need to allocate tax dollars to help brown disproportionate sick infected ones. Virus is not racist, it choses stupid. No need pay for stupid.
Can't believe the 6 grader Josh G blaming his own team--dept of Health leaders. Damn, they doing their best in unprecedented times. Grow some balls fuka, no blame but unite for the fight.
Yeah, you can chose this America the free, except when you hurt somebody else, like riots, exposing others to Covid, taxing our ICU.
Sad to see so many locals act out under intense pressure to being part of the problem instead of fixing it. I guess that is the reflection of Hawaii as a whole, sad to say.
FleshPrince
08-12-20, 00:23
Cases will go up as more people reenter society, which is what happened when we did a soft reopening. That should be expected, and hence "we are for sure safer" after flattening the curve at the time my other post was written more than a month ago. The problem? We reopened and people went crazy doing things they didn't have to do, because in the total absence of freedom, people wanted to reclaim it. Remember, at one point we were so locked down that it was "essential travel only" and "only members of the same household in a vehicle".
And remember, while infection numbers are rising, rates of death are not, in raw form or any form of averages (Jan-March 8 deaths; June-Aug 10). In addition, according the Hawaii COVID statistics provided by the Department of Heath, many of the origins of the new cases are unknown going back to mid July. We have nearly 10 times the number of cases today as we did in March, with around the same number of deaths. To me, that means we are much safer today than we were in March.
Your statement is still flawed. That's like saying that a growing number of people are involved in car accidents because of increase in speed limits to 80 mph, but the since the RATE of deaths has not risen, you are safer now than before the increased speed limits. That is a flawed statement.
In this analogy, if you are out on the road the same amount of time as you were before the change in speed limits, you are more likely to be in a car accident. Period. This does not make you more safe than before the increased speed limits to 80 mph.
Also, your statement that the spike in cases was caused by people reclaiming their lost freedom is pure speculation. You don't know that those people out doing stupid things would not have been doing the same things without a prior lockdown.
NerdFriday
08-12-20, 04:53
Your statement is still flawed. That's like saying that a growing number of people are involved in car accidents because of increase in speed limits to 80 mph, but the since the RATE of deaths has not risen, you are safer now than before the increased speed limits. That is a flawed statement.
In this analogy, if you are out on the road the same amount of time as you were before the change in speed limits, you are more likely to be in a car accident. Period. This does not make you more safe than before the increased speed limits to 80 mph. If you want a more accurate statistical analogy, I can give you one. You car accident analogy misrepresents my argument.
Let us say there are numbers "n1" and "n2" which represent the number of COVID deaths and cases, which are part of a sample "s" of people tested, who are part of a greater population "p" representing all people.
Right now, "n1" is not increasing, but "n2" and "s" are. If the number of cases "n2" and sample size "s" are increasing, but the number of deaths "n1" is not, it intuitively follows that:
1) Reporting of deaths from the smaller sample size does not appear to be grossly inaccurate when compared to larger samples since larger samples represent a more accurate picture of what is happening in the population.
2) If the number of deaths does not increase as the number of cases increases along with the sample size, the number of deaths is therefore less represented in the population.
In essence, reporting of deaths seems to be just as accurate in Hawaii, regardless of how many people test positive for COVID. Furthermore, as more people test positive, the number of people dying remains the same. While this is NOT absolute proof, it is certainly compelling in terms of an implied increase in resilliancey against the virus. If you just look at the COVID deaths, then it does appear that the virus is just as deadly as it was in March. However, a deeper analysis of the stats reveals something else.
Also, your statement that the spike in cases was caused by people reclaiming their lost freedom is pure speculation. You don't know that those people out doing stupid things would not have been doing the same things without a prior lockdown.I guess it is speculation. I don't think it's hard to imagine that prior to lockdown 100 people go to a bar, during lockdown only 10 people go, and once lockdown is lifted then the original 100 return to the bar?
FleshPrince
08-12-20, 09:31
If you want a more accurate statistical analogy, I can give you one. You car accident analogy misrepresents my argument.
Let us say there are numbers "n1" and "n2" which represent the number of COVID deaths and cases, which are part of a sample "s" of people tested, who are part of a greater population "p" representing all people.
Right now, "n1" is not increasing, but "n2" and "s" are. If the number of cases "n2" and sample size "s" are increasing, but the number of deaths "n1" is not, it intuitively follows that:
1) Reporting of deaths from the smaller sample size does not appear to be grossly inaccurate when compared to larger samples since larger samples represent a more accurate picture of what is happening in the population.
2) If the number of deaths does not increase as the number of cases increases along with the sample size, the number of deaths is therefore less represented in the population.
In essence, reporting of deaths seems to be just as accurate in Hawaii, regardless of how many people test positive for COVID. Furthermore, as more people test positive, the number of people dying remains the same. While this is NOT absolute proof, it is certainly compelling in terms of an implied increase in resilliancey against the virus. If you just look at the COVID deaths, then it does appear that the virus is just as deadly as it was in March. However, a deeper analysis of the stats reveals something else.
Your analysis does not seem to consider an important factor. There is a time lag between the beginning of a spike in cases and the resulting increase in deaths. That has been proven by data from the mainland US. Since the spike in cases in Hawaii really began in about the last week of July, we likely won't see any resulting spike in deaths until the end of August. Hopefully we don't see that happen. But I think for you to conclude that we are safer now because the number of deaths have not yet risen dramatically despite the spike in cases seems a bit premature.
If you want a more accurate statistical analogy, I can give you one. You car accident analogy misrepresents my argument.
In essence, reporting of deaths seems to be just as accurate in Hawaii, regardless of how many people test positive for COVID. Furthermore, as more people test positive, the number of people dying remains the same. While this is NOT absolute proof, it is certainly compelling in terms of an implied increase in resilliancey against the virus. If you just look at the COVID deaths, then it does appear that the virus is just as deadly as it was in March. However, a deeper analysis of the stats reveals something else.
I guess it is speculation. I don't think it's hard to imagine that prior to lockdown 100 people go to a bar, during lockdown only 10 people go, and once lockdown is lifted then the original 100 return to the bar?
Your argument lacks a very important variable: the asymptomatic carriers/spreaders; your formulae also lacks statistics and analysis considerations; foremost, your argument lacks a claim, warrant, rebuttal, and a conclusion. Your verbosity reflects an opinion, not an argument (see above, "I guess it is speculation.").
No, the evidence of increased positive cases and corresponding increase in number of deaths shows a very resilient virus, not a resiliency of the population against the virus.
That's a mighty dumb 100. Anyway, braddah, you when express what you believe to be true and I respect your opinion but not necessarily the contents of your essay.
Here are two interesting Hawaii news reports:
"COVID-19 Data Shows Hawaii Is In A Very Dire Situation".
http://www.civilbeat.org/2020/08/covid-19-data-shows-hawaii-is-in-a-very-dire-situation
"Hawaii's Contact Tracing Effort Falls Short Of National Standards".
http://www.civilbeat.org/2020/08/hawaiis-contact-tracing-effort-falls-short-of-national-standards
To be clear, I'm not arguing for or against any position on these issues, just posting two articles that some members might want to read.
The guy who got shot had Covid19. Do you guys think he will be added to the covid death count? Also those peeps in game room now might also have it. They saying the cops and paramedics who was there have to quarantine now.
The guy who got shot had Covid19. Do you guys think he will be added to the covid death count? Also those peeps in game room now might also have it. They saying the cops and paramedics who was there have to quarantine now.Is it true that they are inflating the covid cases and death?
DreamGirls100
08-15-20, 11:44
Is it true that they are inflating the covid cases and death?I don't know about hawaii but some mainland hospitals put all death into covid death cause they can get aid fund from government. It is like death of one actor from midnight express. He was hiv positive but he killed himself from stress and drug abuse, but media reported midnight express star died from aids.
The guy who got shot had Covid19. Do you guys think he will be added to the covid death count? Also those peeps in game room now might also have it. They saying the cops and paramedics who was there have to quarantine now.Just a thought, did the victim with the covid visit "happiness" in the past? How do they know that the victim has corona virus? If the victim had contact with others at the game room prior to having the shooting, how many of the other patrons could be infected and visiting our girls. I am concerned. This hobby is getting dangerous. I will partake with caution as I don't want my wife to get sick. Take care everyone. Have a nice weekend.
Statistically insignificant that number of "questionable" deaths, as get plenty of Covid deaths to go around. The aid was given to all in a big way already and more to come now that they figuring out how to apply resources to hot spots. Got to remember this is America, the country that couldn't get fighter jets into the air fast enough to shoot the terrorists flying jets for hours into buildings.
Feds move slow.
I don't know about hawaii but some mainland hospitals put all death into covid death cause they can get aid fund from government. It is like death of one actor from midnight express. He was hiv positive but he killed himself from stress and drug abuse, but media reported midnight express star died from aids.
Just a thought, did the victim with the covid visit "happiness" in the past? How do they know that the victim has corona virus? If the victim had contact with others at the game room prior to having the shooting, how many of the other patrons could be infected and visiting our girls. I am concerned. This hobby is getting dangerous. I will partake with caution as I don't want my wife to get sick. Take care everyone. Have a nice weekend.That is a legit concern especially for those who have visited Happiness recently.
Looks like state will be shutdown again by Friday.
Prudential808
08-16-20, 12:33
Looks like state will be shutdown again by Friday.You mean full lockdown as did in spring again?
Prudential808
08-16-20, 12:52
That is a legit concern especially for those who have visited Happiness recently.Happiness may be the only AMP that was busy for last months. And I don't think bb grandpas put mask while DFK. Did working girls there put mask keeping social distance while rest time?
We just pray no virus invaded there.
You mean full lockdown as did in spring again?Yup according to LT gov green Ige and Caldwell going have to make a very tuff decision triple digit how many days now hospital needs rooms.
Just a thought, did the victim with the covid visit "happiness" in the past? How do they know that the victim has corona virus? Good questions.
So far, only one forum member has made an unsupported allegation that the victim of the shooting that occurred in the vicinity of (but not inside) Happiness was infected with Covid-19. I think it's possible that claim was meant to be facetious. Personally, I've seen no concrete evidence, either on the forum or in the news media, that the allegation is true. Furthermore, I've seen no evidence that the shooting victim was ever inside Happiness. Absent reliable evidence on both those points, it might be regarded as somewhat unfair to single out Happiness.
However, especially considering that some people infected with Covid-19 are asymptomatic or presymptomatic, that no definitive medical testing for Covid-19 is required for AMP customers, and that no definitive medical testing for Covid-19 is required for AMP workers, any AMP could potentially have (or recently have had) a person with Covid-19 inside. That's a factor that mongers are free to weigh when making their personal risk assessments, in conjunction with factors such as their age, preexisting medical conditions, whether and to what extent they're overweight, the vulnerability of persons with whom they reside or closely associate, etc.
Prudential808
08-16-20, 21:52
Yup according to LT gov green Ige and Caldwell going have to make a very tuff decision triple digit how many days now hospital needs rooms.https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/08/15/nursing-resident-hiolani-care-center-tests-positive-covid-/
I don't know whether state decide another full lockdown or not. But we can guess more watching and warning against night life and AMPs. A matter of normal sense. The highest risk at AMP. Maybe worse than medical field. Medical workers are demanded to put protection by regulation, while AMPs are free ppe, rather asked or forced to go bareback mouth and nose. 250 a day in 1 M population locals only island is not funny. It is ridiculous that AMPs are free zone while most people get confined at home. I AM NEVER AGAINST AMPs and I am against lockdown. But it is a matter of sane sense when AMPs are in no. 1 Watching lists in this kind of flu, covid whatever.
Get contact number of girls, who knows the only option may be AMP girls that can do outcalls.
I got msg from some girls that their working place plan to decide permanent shutdown (already low key place but just shutting fpr good).
TrailHuntingXX
08-17-20, 00:46
Yup according to LT gov green Ige and Caldwell going have to make a very tuff decision triple digit how many days now hospital needs rooms.With schools starting tomorrow what happens when just ONE case gets out? Easy decision for Ige, just past the torch to all Mayors like he did with the TMT situation. What happened to the 50 million that was from the federal govt. To give us a hand?
I would caution anyone kissing, even your regulars.
Been there every week, sometimes twice a week and I never saw the gambling clientele make their way to happiness. They really focused on gambling.
Never heard of anybody getting covid from an AMP, maybe I missed it but I don't think so.
More chance getting covid from the beach and parks with all the non believers no mask, no social distancing, big groups of people that seems to be the recipe to transmit.
Been to thee AMPs during covid crisis, getting my fuck on, LOL.
That is a legit concern especially for those who have visited Happiness recently
Been there every week, sometimes twice a week and I never saw the gambling clientele make their way to happiness. They really focused on gambling.
Never heard of anybody getting covid from an AMP, maybe I missed it but I don't think so.
More chance getting covid from the beach and parks with all the non believers no mask, no social distancing, big groups of people that seems to be the recipe to transmit.
Been to thee AMPs during covid crisis, getting my fuck on, LOL.Someone on here said that your not going to get anyone to admit they got covid from AMP. Which if you think about is true. You can explain I got covid going to bar but how do you explain I got covid fucking whoever at Happiness? LOL.
Here's an update from Sweden doctors on how well their herd immunity process had gone. Hint-not well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5472100002
How deaths are counted.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/
NerdFriday
08-17-20, 20:07
Someone on here said that your not going to get anyone to admit they got covid from AMP. Which if you think about is true. You can explain I got covid going to bar but how do you explain I got covid fucking whoever at Happiness? LOL.That's one of the criticisms of contact tracing. People are slamming the state for a half-added contact tracing program, but they don't realize contact tracing as a theory only works under certain conditions people in a first-world democracy will not accept.
1) COVID test results are still inaccurate up to this point and take way too long to process. This means tracing where a person has been in anywhere between "1 day and 1 month ago" is not going a good foundation.
2) People can withhold / lie about where they have been, making pinpointing where the clusters have occurred nearly impossible to verify.
Contact tracing will only work in countries where they can "force" you to test and give up where you have been, otherwise it's literally just creating scapegoats out of nice people who are voluntarily compliant. We can't even force people to wear masks and stay home in this country, so contact tracing is not going to work.
Someone on here said that your not going to get anyone to admit they got covid from AMP. Which if you think about is true. You can explain I got covid going to bar but how do you explain I got covid fucking whoever at Happiness? LOL.As it is a medical matter, there is some confidentiality but I get where you are coming from. I would definitely want to review the state's policy and get confirmation of my privacy rights.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/contact-tracing/contact-tracing-plan/Confidentiality-Consent.html
Prudential808
08-18-20, 22:04
Personal care service is still allowed.
Maybe to the general public they were closed, but AMPs along with hairstylist, massage all were open during shutdown. Just and to find take out, or personal appointment calendar, LOL.
Personal care service is still allowed.
Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3🙄 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.This aged like milk.
Prudential808
08-25-20, 18:15
Today, tomorrow guys go to AMP to get phone numbers of available girls for outcall date.
Its either you open up all businesses or shut them all down. All your doing is playing with numbers because you can. Our DOH was bull shitting the public and giving false amount of cases and case tracers. Our DPS wasn't even giving out test to inmates and staff workers. We will not survive this pandemic and a lot more businesses will be closing again. Why are you not using the federal funds to keep up as the cases get higher and higher? Retirement bonuses?
JusAnoddaGuy
08-28-20, 08:49
Its either you open up all businesses or shut them all down. All your doing is playing with numbers because you can. Our DOH was bull shitting the public and giving false amount of cases and case tracers. Our DPS wasn't even giving out test to inmates and staff workers. We will not survive this pandemic and a lot more businesses will be closing again. Why are you not using the federal funds to keep up as the cases get higher and higher? Retirement bonuses?This whole thing for make money. Walmart cosco McDonald stay open. Now Ige opening hotels for the tourists. Crooks stealing fed money for days.
Ige has no leadership, no control, never had it to a large extent, allowed second rate lieutenants to run personal agendas. Sadly some of the deputy directors just got shuffled around to other state agencies, they still are the cancer of this administration. Sadly that is what happens when locals vote blindly.
Covid is winning the war in case you haven't noticed. Really no matter that anything short of a complete and total shutdown has marginal success.
Some Cities have given up on contact tracing and other bullshit because Covid there has overwhelmed and they are well over the 1% of the population, and 10% hospitalization. Deaths will exceed the numbers there too, so they have chosen to apply resources to other areas. We are right on the edge of being overwhelmed--numbers are pretty scary right now.
As I have said all along, sadly Ige is just a symptom of the larger problem for Hawaii-locals have lost respect and we don't talk about it enough to fix it. Many will die because of this as Covid is not racist, doesn't give a shit about aloha and doesn't discriminate.
Obama said that Trump never grew into the role of President. Well, Ige never grew into the role of Governor. Now look what we got. Better vote for the coach for Mayor and not the good ol boy again, locals, or we going be deja vu all over again.
Its either you open up all businesses or shut them all down. All your doing is playing with numbers because you can. Our DOH was bull shitting the public and giving false amount of cases and case tracers. Our DPS wasn't even giving out test to inmates and staff workers. We will not survive this pandemic and a lot more businesses will be closing again. Why are you not using the federal funds to keep up as the cases get higher and higher? Retirement bonuses?
Demolition Man
08-29-20, 15:39
From HPD, these braddas and a few sistaz said they now can pull the trigger just because. Why I mentioned be careful and smart, never give them a reason for pulling you over even if you can travel for essentials, especially at night. Just saying what we all talked about. Be safe.I got pulled over and cited last night, will I be fined 5,000? The officer stated it's up to the judge. Anyone have some answers. Thanks in advance sir.
I got pulled over and cited last night, will I be fined 5,000? The officer stated it's up to the judge. Anyone have some answers. Thanks in advance sir.Where'd you tell the cop you were going / coming from? Won't know the fine til you go to court. Hopefully you get dismissed. Unless you're an essential worker, going grocery shopping or getting meds for yourself or delivering to someone in another household don't think they'll let you off the hook.
Check with Yoda Red, he has all the knowledge and details. I would go with his Rec.Thanks for the compliment, but because of the escalated Covid-19 situation I haven't visited the downtown mongering area for a while to avoid temptation. There's an angel whispering into one of my ears to stay away, and a devil whispering into my other ear to spin the roulette wheel and take a chance, and so far the angel is winning. So these days, unfortunately my knowledge isn't completely current.
Back to Maria, is she an addict?From prior knowledge, yes.
I got pulled over and cited last night, will I be fined 5,000? The officer stated it's up to the judge. Anyone have some answers. Thanks in advance sir.If you were cited for violating the stay-at-home order, did you try to use the "going to buy food" exception or one of the other exceptions? If so, what did the officer say in response? If you would prefer to reply by private message, of course that's fine.
will I be fined 5,000? The honest answer is no. If it even goes to trial and chances are it won't, you have an indisputable affirmative defense of "I was doing something essential like going to 24 x7 food joint". If you did something stupid like admit on camera to HPD you were just out cruising then the answer is still no because this is all political theater, the the will plea you for pennies on the dollar like any other infraction. TBH the order isn't even legal but those cases are still working their way through the courts hence another reason not to pay and delay as long as possible because the government never retroactively refunds fines even if the law is thrown out. Either way don't sweat it. Just do the paperwork, don't admit to anything, go to trial, refuse the plea, say you were going to get food, win.
That said IANAL so you do what you want.
DreamGirls100
08-29-20, 18:27
From HPD, these braddas and a few sistaz said they now can pull the trigger just because. Why I mentioned be careful and smart, never give them a reason for pulling you over even if you can travel for essentials, especially at night. Just saying what we all talked about. Be safe.They had better not respond to stranger numbers, stupid chit chat to screen probable customers for future post lockdown. Adventure for 60 bucks can be 10 K + damage. Especially someone if in probation or in legal fighting yet. Had better be like ghost in town.
I got pulled over and cited last night, will I be fined 5,000? The officer stated it's up to the judge. Anyone have some answers. Thanks in advance sir.I wouldn't fret over this too much. Literally, well over 10,000 citations related to the stay-at-home orders have been issued since last March. The court system will be backed up for years. Request a jury trial, as you have that right. BTW, the fine is not firmly set at $5000. The fine is "up to $5000," which leaves some leeway in the amount you would actually be fined--if your case ever makes it before a court.
Thanks for the compliment, but because of the escalated Covid-19 situation I haven't visited the downtown mongering area for a while to avoid temptation. There's an angel whispering into one of my ears to stay away, and a devil whispering into my other ear to spin the roulette wheel and take a chance, and so far the angel is winning. So these days, unfortunately my knowledge isn't completely current.
From prior knowledge, yes.
If you were cited for violating the stay-at-home order, did you try to use the "going to buy food" exception or one of the other exceptions? If so, what did the officer say in response? If you would prefer to reply by private message, of course that's fine.As with all mentioned, easier for a few of us that has gone through this BS. Never had this problem when I had to travel for ohana Business to WA. And SanFran. Quarantined there too, but really had no issues or challenges. BUT here in our Paradise, as posted here by a few of you, it always start with leadership of those 2 incompetant bureaucrats, I can have first hand knowledge sitting in that mtg. Rooms with what I have been running my mouth in those mtgs. There more than a few times asked to leave bc my questions was too blunt and non-political. I will post on that one later bc I took another position with our admin. And was tired of dealing with idiots, again for another post in the future. LEO according to their leadership has the green light to tag if you give them any reason. IE, randomless driving (cruising) and it is not hard to tell since during the 1st lockdowns easy to tell just by watching those actions and routes of the driver and passengers. I cannot tell you how many could tell they only cruising and HPD did not take the bull and tag their asses. But bc of the past, and non-leadership the lower level lieutenants now have the power which they past on to their indians. Hence, getting tickets. A good lawyer friend said, challenge challenge, go to court with more than 10 k (but my friend who drives one damn nice black 4 runner HPD) said it is higher much higher. Why I said, be cool if pulled over, let them know you are running errands (mail, grocery shopping, going to get food, etc.). I got questioned a few days ago while going home with my groceries and told them I was going to get food at a Korean Food in Kalihi. Like I said, make sure your driving and all of your paperwork is in order, all of it. It really is an illegal search, they will use probable cause, but because of the ruling socialist BS Mayor and Gov. General ruling power, it gave LEO that opening. They stop the right vehicle? Outstanding warrant or bond? Are you wanted? Do you have all of your vehicle paperwork in order? Make sure IF, they ask for your papers, you keep it in one place and present it. My stop did not last longer than a couple of minutes, because I presented all of my paperwork from one holder all clipped, he looked at my license, all with my dash cam recording which keep going until I go home and turn it off. As Yoda Red has mentioned and I get the same thoughts, I want to go cruise DT bc I bet can, BUT, do I really want to take a chance. Luckily I have a place I eat regularly in Nuuanu and we have a business in the area too, so I am normally in the area, but not as much now bc I see way too many HPD doing BS stuff. I will post aout that one too, bc we had to come to aid for her bc of HPD harassment, right in lower Nuuanu.
RiotNoMask
08-30-20, 20:24
Ige doesn't care as it shows why our cases get higher. He has another term to serve. Its too late to be contact tracing. Quarantine means NOTHING!! The penalty should be $10 k or more. People will follow the rules established. Ige might soon be stationed at home or at work with heavy security as he might be on peoples to do list.
Ige cannot even keep the political appointments, how sad. Keeping score? All Ige appointees--State CIO, Dept of Tax, Human Services, Labor, Health, Public Safety, HTA damn, like losing half your team.
When the going gets tough, the pretenders jump ship, LOL. You would think Ige would be the captain of the ship, stick behind his team and right the ship, maybe he tried. I give him that benefit of the doubt. In any case, they all gone, which means is worse that we would ever know. Sad that the deputies just scattered and took up shop in other departments--they all should be gone, too, all part of the problem. Time to clean house good, Ige. Do something right, Ige and get rid of the deputies too, and at least leave a clean slate for the next Governor.
Samples taken at last weeks testing site in Kaneohe were mislabeled or NOT LABELED? You think those that stood in line are happy? Fuck no!! Don't need to keep tabs on cases anymore. Only a waste of time for volunteers and medical personnel and citizens that wait patiently to get tested. Now they want to plan a bubble like the NBA? Seriously? You can't even do simple tasks to tag the samples correctly. I guess the State will be dishing out all the money they were trying to save. Just close everything till Jan. 2021.
PointDexterJr
09-01-20, 14:02
Ige cannot even keep the political appointments, how sad. Keeping score? All Ige appointees--State CIO, Dept of Tax, Human Services, Labor, Health, Public Safety, HTA damn, like losing half your team.
When the going gets tough, the pretenders jump ship, LOL. You would think Ige would be the captain of the ship, stick behind his team and right the ship, maybe he tried. I give him that benefit of the doubt. In any case, they all gone, which means is worse that we would ever know. Sad that the deputies just scattered and took up shop in other departments--they all should be gone, too, all part of the problem. Time to clean house good, Ige. Do something right, Ige and get rid of the deputies too, and at least leave a clean slate for the next Governor.Not sure its jumping ship -.
The Public health director Bruce Anderson resigned, as did the Public Safety Director Nolan Espinda. I think Ige lacked the balls to fire them, as he lacked the balls to fire Sarah Park.
I think the public opinion caused them to think "shit I got to get out", as there is no excuse.
Hawaii has a easy going attitude which engenders mediocity at best, and incompetance as a norm. Or corruption.
Look at the kealohas, the rail project. The list goes on.
People put in public office has to demand performance and accountability. It might not be the island way, but the "no need fix, not broken" attitude will beget shit results.
Of course, I think the lions share of the blame for the outbreak surge should be put on our people, who spread covid thru no distancing, no masks, hugh gatherings et al, but blame should be put on the public servants for not putting the appropriate safety measures in place thru either stringent measures to prevent behavior, or more gradual phases.
Just my opinion.
Not sure its jumping ship -.
The Public health director Bruce Anderson resigned, as did the Public Safety Director Nolan Espinda. I think Ige lacked the balls to fire them, as he lacked the balls to fire Sarah Park.
I think the public opinion caused them to think "shit I got to get out", as there is no excuse.
Hawaii has a easy going attitude which engenders mediocity at best, and incompetance as a norm. Or corruption.
Look at the kealohas, the rail project. The list goes on.
People put in public office has to demand performance and accountability. It might not be the island way, but the "no need fix, not broken" attitude will beget shit results.
Of course, I think the lions share of the blame for the outbreak surge should be put on our people, who spread covid thru no distancing, no masks, hugh gatherings et al, but blame should be put on the public servants for not putting the appropriate safety measures in place thru either stringent measures to prevent behavior, or more gradual phases.
Just my opinion.I agree with the previous writer. Just a bunch of idiots running our state government. Ige should resign too and let the Lt Governor run the show. Ige has no qualifications to handle the current corona situation -- he is just screwing it up more and more as the days go by. Bring back Linda Lingle.
Agree that the locals are mostly to blame for the situation. Demanding the department leaders to leave is not a solution but an excuse to blame somebody else except me.
I guess at some point we all need to do our part and stop blaming. I continue to do my part and complain until the rest of locals get on board.
Not sure its jumping ship -.
The Public health director Bruce Anderson resigned, as did the Public Safety Director Nolan Espinda. I think Ige lacked the balls to fire them, as he lacked the balls to fire Sarah Park.
I think the public opinion caused them to think "shit I got to get out", as there is no excuse.
Hawaii has a easy going attitude which engenders mediocity at best, and incompetance as a norm. Or corruption.
Look at the kealohas, the rail project. The list goes on.
People put in public office has to demand performance and accountability. It might not be the island way, but the "no need fix, not broken" attitude will beget shit results.
Of course, I think the lions share of the blame for the outbreak surge should be put on our people, who spread covid thru no distancing, no masks, hugh gatherings et al, but blame should be put on the public servants for not putting the appropriate safety measures in place thru either stringent measures to prevent behavior, or more gradual phases.
Just my opinion.
Incogfilipino
09-01-20, 20:24
Agree that the locals are mostly to blame for the situation. Demanding the department leaders to leave is not a solution but an excuse to blame somebody else except me.
I guess at some point we all need to do our part and stop blaming. I continue to do my part and complain until the rest of locals get on board.I would disagree about the part about the department leaders being an excuse to blame someone. If those leaders aren't doing a proper job of handling the response (which they weren't), they needed to go anyway. Get someone in there that will actually take responsibility to do something, to get a plan, to clearly define it, have measurable standards, track metrics in order to gauge effectiveness, refactor as needed, etc. They get paid for a job and they weren't doing their job up to standard. That is a separate issue from people doing the right thing, which they aren't either.
I completely agree with you on locals making things worse though. All we can do is tell people to do the right thing. I still see people out there I know on social media having parties in their homes and partying out in Vegas or whatever. It's crazy. I also know quite a few friends that have caught it at this point, shit is real to them after they catch it. Too bad they didn't listen to me beforehand, but at least I'm still healthy. I've been staying my ass at home for months now.
RedBaron411
09-02-20, 02:33
Samples taken at last weeks testing site in Kaneohe were mislabeled or NOT LABELED? You think those that stood in line are happy? Fuck no!! Don't need to keep tabs on cases anymore. Only a waste of time for volunteers and medical personnel and citizens that wait patiently to get tested. Now they want to plan a bubble like the NBA? Seriously? You can't even do simple tasks to tag the samples correctly. I guess the State will be dishing out all the money they were trying to save. Just close everything till Jan. 2021You have under reported the number of tests that were mislabeled and thus compromised. It was upwards of 1700 not 1000. Just imagine waiting in a two or three hour line, expecting your results in two or three days, and instead you get an email saying you need to take the test again.
I know from personal experience, those lines are long and very slow moving. If my medical insurance didn't cover the cost of my test, there's no way I would be taking one. The testers who took my sample said it would cost $186 per person. And that q-tip was long. Neatly scraped the bottom of my brain to get a sample. There's no way someone wanting to visit here is going to wait 3 hours in line, and pay upwards of $180 for the privilege to take a Covid test. They'll take their chances defying the quarantine.
Oh and my test was negative. Thanks for asking. Taking the test was an incredible waste of time and highly inefficient. We all should be worried about the future of the local economy.
No protest from me bro. Respect all the great opinions and it is obvious the difference is we all give a shit about others.
This is America, you can say what the hell you want without getting shot, protests, you owe me shit, I matter more, what the fuck, man, say what the hell you want just no riot, rob hurt in the name of lives matter or some other bullshit. Crime is crime, go prison for ripping somebody off, hurting somebody.
Too bad we cannot track and charge the folk who knowingly spread the virus with a crime.
Covid is the enemy, don't be a part of the enemy.
I would disagree about the part about the department leaders being an excuse to blame someone. If those leaders aren't doing a proper job of handling the response (which they weren't), they needed to go anyway. Get someone in there that will actually take responsibility to do something, to get a plan, to clearly define it, have measurable standards, track metrics in order to gauge effectiveness, refactor as needed, etc. They get paid for a job and they weren't doing their job up to standard. That is a separate issue from people doing the right thing, which they aren't either.
I completely agree with you on locals making things worse though. All we can do is tell people to do the right thing. I still see people out there I know on social media having parties in their homes and partying out in Vegas or whatever. It's crazy. I also know quite a few friends that have caught it at this point, shit is real to them after they catch it. Too bad they didn't listen to me beforehand, but at least I'm still healthy. I've been staying my ass at home for months now.
Prudential808
09-07-20, 06:03
Anyone hear about it? Extend full lock down?
Seriously?
Nope, not seen anything but it wouldn't be surprising with cases still in triple digits. Lots of people on the beaches on west side this weekend.
Anyone hear about it? Extend full lock down?
Seriously?We got till Thursday and then I want the shutdown like we had in March.
Quarantine, citations, masks on city bus, gatherings (like today), never going to solve the problem.
When we have another government shutdown that last 35 days, the money stops arriving and then we all wonder why?
Landlords got bills too now.
Incogfilipino
09-07-20, 14:46
Anyone hear about it? Extend full lock down?
Seriously?The Lt Gov published a plan to the Star Advertiser, but you know it was just an idea, not approved or anything. The state leadership has not been transparent about any plan they have (pretty sure they don't have shit) and aren't clear on what specific metrics they are tracking either. I fully expect it to get extended the way things are going with the rising death counts, active counts far outpacing recovery counts, etc. Too bad there isn't a solid plan they will follow. Ige don't listen to Green.
I fully expect it to get extended the way things are going with the rising death counts, active counts far outpacing recovery counts, etc. Too bad there isn't a solid plan they will follow. Ige don't listen to Green.Stay pretty clear that get different factions that are tasked to take us to this "road to recovery," if any. The greatest obstacles that no one can plan for are (1) noncompliance by the minority of the population and (2) ignorance of the virus. This minority is complicit in failing to successfully defeat the COVID 19 virus by their ignorant and selfish actions, thus impeding 'recovery to the norm. ' The virus is not completely understood, making preparations to defeat it difficult. Sadly, the vocal minority will bring everything down with them unless the silent majority takes action by doing it at the polls this November or otherwise.
Incogfilipino
09-07-20, 18:12
Stay pretty clear that get different factions that are tasked to take us to this "road to recovery," if any. The greatest obstacles that no one can plan for are (1) noncompliance by the minority of the population and (2) ignorance of the virus. This minority is complicit in failing to successfully defeat the COVID 19 virus by their ignorant and selfish actions, thus impeding 'recovery to the norm. ' The virus is not completely understood, making preparations to defeat it difficult. Sadly, the vocal minority will bring everything down with them unless the silent majority takes action by doing it at the polls this November or otherwise.I can understand the frustration of people, since there isn't a published plan that says "we hit this level and maintain it or below, we can open up" - feels like all the responses are illogical and knee jerk reactions. Without guidance, people just going do whatever, get plenty ainokea attitude nowadays. Not good communication being put out, people just spreading ignorance and conspiracy theories, people not listening to science. Our "leadership" in the state shows no leadership, unfortunately. Too bad those who are staying home have to deal with the same restrictions as those who out there making trouble.
Not good communication being put out, people just spreading ignorance and conspiracy theories, people not listening to science. Our "leadership" in the state shows no leadership, unfortunately. Too bad those who are staying home have to deal with the same restrictions as those who out there making trouble.There should be just one agreed upon form of communication: the science and its subsequent data. However, because of state and federal political / leadership infighting the data had been tossed aside; we are now desperately trying to establish a data base with mass testing; more better / feasible / almost as accurate to make testing random with demographics / population stats and analysis. Establish the shat fast so we can move forward with gradually opening schools, businesses, and general commerce based upon probability, statistics, and wisdom. Too smart no good; got to have common sense (wisdom), too, IMO.
No give warnings, citations, etc., for da losers; pau already; hit 'em where it hurts: in da pocketbook.
Prudential808
09-08-20, 19:22
Well. I feel I am lucky that I already get aunties and grandmas' phone number who can invite me for secret outcall date. Plain Janes can be diamond now.
Incogfilipino
09-08-20, 22:05
Well. I feel I am lucky that I already get aunties and grandmas' phone number who can invite me for secret outcall date. Plain Janes can be diamond now.Extended with parks, beaches, and trails open for solo activities. You know people won't be cruising solo there, we will be right back where we were and locked down for longer after they realize they fucked up by opening them up and we will get locked down longer and those will close down again. Leaders here want to have their cake and have it too, but it doesn't work like that.
The mayor had announced that they have funding for 250 to 500 more contact tracers. But it is just funding for manpower that they turn over to State DoH to manage. Problem is that DoH in particular and State in general has ZERO leadership ability to make timely decisions and manage resources. Federal Cares Act pays for manpower, but not office equipment and space, rent, etc. And Ige and his bureaucrats don't have the balls to ruffle HGEA feathers to reassign office space and administrative personnel and allocate technology assets to solve simple problems like increasing bandwidth beyond two fax machines and using epidemiologists instead of clerks to draft and send letters. My God. They see COVID numbers but can't quickly report to the public where they are coming from (household transmission vs bars, restaurants, gyms, etc). So they shut everything down. Hell. Open up the hostess bars and AMPs and let USASEXGUIDE community report which establishments have a COVID breakout and rat on who don't follow the rules.
GG.
It ain't funny anymore as we close up again. Businesses are scraping to get by while our leaders with poor insight on rules and how to deal with them. The longer this continues our island will never be the same. No more funds from the federal gov't as Democrats and Republicans never seem to agree and Trump doesn't give a fuck how many people die so long as he gets another shot in 2021. Ige just sits back and watches the waves go up and down.
Extended with parks, beaches, and trails open for solo activities. You know people won't be cruising solo there, we will be right back where we were and locked down for longer after they realize they fucked up by opening them up and we will get locked down longer and those will close down again. Leaders here want to have their cake and have it too, but it doesn't work like that.I guess it takes lock downs with STRICTER PENALTYS than silly citations which is a joke. Soon all the money will be spent and everybody will be on their own. No more food drives and no more nothing. No tax money coming in so less money to spend on our tumbling infrastructures and a lot more elsewhere.
Prudential808
09-09-20, 03:47
The mayor had announced that they have funding for 250 to 500 more contact tracers. But it is just funding for manpower that they turn over to State DoH to manage. Problem is that DoH in particular and State in general has ZERO leadership ability to make timely decisions and manage resources. Federal Cares Act pays for manpower, but not office equipment and space, rent, etc. And Ige and his bureaucrats don't have the balls to ruffle HGEA feathers to reassign office space and administrative personnel and allocate technology assets to solve simple problems like increasing bandwidth beyond two fax machines and using epidemiologists instead of clerks to draft and send letters. My God. They see COVID numbers but can't quickly report to the public where they are coming from (household transmission vs bars, restaurants, gyms, etc). So they shut everything down. Hell. Open up the hostess bars and AMPs and let USASEXGUIDE community report which establishments have a COVID breakout and rat on who don't follow the rules.
GG.Wonder how many will be honest. We can confess we visited Starbucks, queens hospital, Walmart. Cigarette shop, liquor store.
But who the hell will be honestly confess he visited AMP and fuck someone short with fake hard tits? Especially a nice family man with wife. Which girl confess she had no symptom but worked at AMP and had phone numbers of guys (bareback mask job of course) she had confronted?
Incogfilipino
09-09-20, 16:21
I guess it takes lock downs with STRICTER PENALTYS than silly citations which is a joke. Soon all the money will be spent and everybody will be on their own. No more food drives and no more nothing. No tax money coming in so less money to spend on our tumbling infrastructures and a lot more elsewhere.I was having a conversation with one of my neighbors in my complex parking lot, and he mentioned the house nearby with like 10 kids living in it. They always throwing parties, I see the flashing lights in front of that house often, but it doesn't seem to deter them. He was venting to me about it, since they are often drunk and offer him beer when he walks his dog, but he went talk story with them a few weeks ago and they have all been out of work or limited in work, since a majority of them were servers in Waikiki. They haven't paid rent in months and spend the money on beer. I bet their landlord is pissed, but he can't evict them due to the moratorium. They got tickets, but stopped caring since they wouldn't have money to pay it anyway and with the situation in the jails (letting everyone out due to COVID cases) they aren't worried about being jailed either. My neighbor went off on them and told them about throwing parties and all that, but they don't care. What is going to be done to them? So the stricter penalties, I agree with, but I don't know if there will actually be an affect on behavior. Kind of only works in a functioning society, but get plenty college kids now who don't care. My neighbor said he will keep calling the cops on them, he angry about the lockdowns since he got furloughed months ago and hasn't gotten back to work yet. Guess that is all he can do, but it's a lot of issues at this point. Lack of a plan, lack of leadership, lack of enforcement, etc.
FleshPrince
09-09-20, 18:36
So it turns out that the leader of our country KNEW that covid was way more lethal and contagious than "even the most strenuous flu", and yet chose to mislead the country into thinking the opposite. And continues to downplay the risks of covid and the importance of common sense precautions like the use of a mask. Seems like negligent and dangerous leadership at best. At worst, well, I'll leave it to you to decide the terms that should apply to his conduct. But it ain't positive.
PointDexterJr
09-09-20, 21:55
So it turns out that the leader of our country KNEW that covid was way more lethal and contagious than "even the most strenuous flu", and yet chose to mislead the country into thinking the opposite. And continues to downplay the risks of covid and the importance of common sense precautions like the use of a mask. Seems like negligent and dangerous leadership at best. At worst, well, I'll leave it to you to decide the terms that should apply to his conduct. But it ain't positive.Then it don't seem so bad!
Talking heads experts and not politicians all say change in behaviour will require more dead bodies.
Yeah, 20 something young take risks, have no experience to bank, and have numbers on their side, but can still risk lifelong damage. Their choice, like drinking alcohol, just no hurt anybody else.
Das why testing is critical as they should think twice when they test positive--they become killing machines.
I not going slam they naysayers who Neva believe we going get to 10,000 because I hope now they realize Hawaii is not really special and that will be the hardest pill to swallow.
Couple more months, do the right thing and vote for new, get all the career politicians out. We need a clean slate to carry us forward and not the same ol same ol like Ige and Amemiya.
I was having a conversation with one of my neighbors in my complex parking lot, and he mentioned the house nearby with like 10 kids living in it. They always throwing parties, I see the flashing lights in front of that house often, but it doesn't seem to deter them. He was venting to me about it, since they are often drunk and offer him beer when he walks his dog, but he went talk story with them a few weeks ago and they have all been out of work or limited in work, since a majority of them were servers in Waikiki. They haven't paid rent in months and spend the money on beer. I bet their landlord is pissed, but he can't evict them due to the moratorium. They got tickets, but stopped caring since they wouldn't have money to pay it anyway and with the situation in the jails (letting everyone out due to COVID cases) they aren't worried about being jailed either. My neighbor went off on them and told them about throwing parties and all that, but they don't care. What is going to be done to them? So the stricter penalties, I agree with, but I don't know if there will actually be an affect on behavior. Kind of only works in a functioning society, but get plenty college kids now who don't care. My neighbor said he will keep calling the cops on them, he angry about the lockdowns since he got furloughed months ago and hasn't gotten back to work yet. Guess that is all he can do, but it's a lot of issues at this point. Lack of a plan, lack of leadership, lack of enforcement, etc.
I guess it takes lock downs with STRICTER PENALTYS than silly citations which is a joke. Soon all the money will be spent and everybody will be on their own. No more food drives and no more nothing. No tax money coming in so less money to spend on our tumbling infrastructures and a lot more elsewhere.Unless you haven't figured it out its everyman for himself. Govt is here not to serve you but to screw you. You pay your taxes and they want more and more for their corrupt games. Try get a building permit someday. Take care of yourself and fuck them all, caldwell green and IGEEE are incompetent losers.
Incogfilipino
09-12-20, 05:18
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/09/11/breaking-news/member-of-honolulu-lt-gov-josh-greens-staff-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
The Lt Gov tested positive today.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/09/11/breaking-news/member-of-honolulu-lt-gov-josh-greens-staff-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
The Lt Gov tested positive today.And no look like full recovery until mid / late 2021. Media reported one rallygoer still believes that the pandemic is a hoax; based on fake news. Same types probably think the Holocaust, COVID 19 deaths, moon walk, WWII, 911, earth is round, etc., are also hoaxes spread by fake news.
Incogfilipino
09-12-20, 17:59
And no look like full recovery until mid / late 2021. Media reported one rallygoer still believes that the pandemic is a hoax; based on fake news. Same types probably think the Holocaust, COVID 19 deaths, moon walk, WWII, 911, earth is round, etc., are also hoaxes spread by fake news.Seems like a hard push for October 1st opening, the struggle to get things under control so at least the last quarter is open for tourism. Getting that vibe from some countries too.
I know so many people who have gotten sick at this point, I can't believe anyone thinks it is a hoax. I don't necessary feel sorry for any of those people, even if they are my friends though. It's only real to them after they catch it, they out partying and posting pictures about it beforehand.
Seems like a hard push for October 1st opening, the struggle to get things under control so at least the last quarter is open for tourism. Getting that vibe from some countries too.
I know so many people who have gotten sick at this point, I can't believe anyone thinks it is a hoax. I don't necessary feel sorry for any of those people, even if they are my friends though. It's only real to them after they catch it, they out partying and posting pictures about it beforehand.I don't know anyone. My buddy doesn't know anyone. My lady friend doesn't know anyone. Yes, I think it's a hoax! Josh didnt even know he had it until tested. He got tested only because one of his security detail tested positive.
Prudential808
09-12-20, 19:20
I don't know anyone. My buddy doesn't know anyone. My lady friend doesn't know anyone. Yes, I think it's a hoax! Josh didnt even know he had it until tested. He got tested only because one of his security detail tested positive.I have friend who got it in mainland. He in his early 50's had no symptom.
Anyway I wonder how long government will ask 95% of people to take risk of permanent unemployment and eviction to make "the vulnerable"s breath keep lasting. Why doesn't anyone ask the vulnerable to take risk of going out and meeting people instead of putting all people into hardship? Cause life is the most important so think all people will happily be homeless to save 90 years old man that he has never seen before?? Government legalized easy access to opioids and allowed all kinds of blood killing shitty food. Hmm.
Prudential808
09-12-20, 19:23
Always wonder why buying a chair at target filled with one hundred people is safe but buying same chair at furniture store filled with 6 people is risky.
FleshPrince
09-12-20, 19:31
I don't know anyone. My buddy doesn't know anyone. My lady friend doesn't know anyone. Yes, I think it's a hoax! To clarify, what is the hoax?
What is not told is people get it get sick and get better, some don't even know they have it just have a runny nose or basic cold symptoms. About 96-98% of the people get better. We should never have shut down the economy and ruined so many peoples lives, they should of just isolated the people that are more prone to getting really sick and going to the hospital. They know who they are. Democrats are quick to ruin an economy take away everyone's ability to work. It's sad.
I don't know anyone. My buddy doesn't know anyone. My lady friend doesn't know anyone. Yes, I think it's a hoax! Josh didn't even know he had it until tested. He got tested only because one of his security detail tested positive..
I know so many people who have gotten sick at this point, I can't believe anyone thinks it is a hoax. I don't necessary feel sorry for any of those people, even if they are my friends though. It's only real to them after they catch it, they out partying and posting pictures about it beforehand.An early November COVID 19 vaccine is right around the corner according to somebody; one volunteer for this vaccine has recently taken ill, the cause of the illness is still not clinically determined. Ain't taking no early "General Election" COVID 19 vaccine unless clinically approved (not promised). Good luck to those taking dis "Kool Aid," bleach, hydroxychloroquine, etc. , without prior medical approval. You can bet a nut, you're a better man than I am, Guinea Pig.
What is not told is people get it get sick and get better, some don't even know they have it just have a runny nose or basic cold symptoms. About 96-98% of the people get better. We should never have shut down the economy and ruined so many peoples lives, they should of just isolated the people that are more prone to getting really sick and going to the hospital. They know who they are. Democrats are quick to ruin an economy take away everyone's ability to work. It's sad.
.Overall recovery rate is 99.74% that's directly from the CDC.
So far worldwide 400,000,000 more people have been reduced to extreme poverty and an extra nine million people are projected to starve to death in 2021. I'm sure as they are laying on the ground dying a horrifically painful slow death they will be grateful that they didn't die from covid.
To clarify, what is the hoax?The virus is REAL, Trump is the hoax. According to reports he might end up defending himself for second degree murder as he knew about the virus and couldn't care less if people died. His entire administration which includes both his daughter and son in law will be added guests to papa Trump.
Maybe renters will have no payments till 2025? Landlords will eat the costs and more and more businesses will close shop and the federal govt. Will be dishing trillions more to keep the peace. With all the protesting in many states, the police will never give in to Black Lives Matter and soon real bullets will be used at protesters and not rubber bullets and tear gas.
FleshPrince
09-13-20, 05:50
We should never have shut down the economy and ruined so many peoples lives, they should of just isolated the people that are more prone to getting really sick and going to the hospital. They know who they are. Democrats are quick to ruin an economy take away everyone's ability to work. It's sad.
.You do realize that Trump is campaigning that he has saved millions of lives by shutting down the economy right? Whether he should have done so earlier or for a more extended period in order to save more lives is up for debate. But he is taking credit for doing exactly what you said the Democrats shouldn't have done. And last time I checked, Trump is a Republican. At least he says so now.
Keep watching CNN and all the brain washing liberal crap. Even though this stupid flu virus is ALL political. Politics should stay out of this forum.
The virus is REAL, Trump is the hoax. According to reports he might end up defending himself for second degree murder as he knew about the virus and couldn't care less if people died. His entire administration which includes both his daughter and son in law will be added guests to papa Trump.
Maybe renters will have no payments till 2025? Landlords will eat the costs and more and more businesses will close shop and the federal govt. Will be dishing trillions more to keep the peace. With all the protesting in many states, the police will never give in to Black Lives Matter and soon real bullets will be used at protesters and not rubber bullets and tear gas..
Keep watching CNN and all the brain washing liberal crap. Even though this stupid flu virus is ALL political. Politics should stay out of this forum.
.Viruses do not have politics. However they can be used for political aims. I agree politics shouldn't be in this forum but let's make sure that science and medicine are. Science, medicine, and statistics are something we need to pay attention to. You just need to have a bit of intelligence to discern which bits of information are false and which are factually noteworthy. Ignoring facts does not make them go away.
Brainwashing goes both ways.
FleshPrince
09-14-20, 09:11
Keep watching CNN and all the brain washing liberal crap. Even though this stupid flu virus is ALL political. Politics should stay out of this forum.
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We should never have shut down the economy and ruined so many peoples lives, they should of just isolated the people that are more prone to getting really sick and going to the hospital. They know who they are. Democrats are quick to ruin an economy take away everyone's ability to work. It's sad.
.I'm no Rhodes scholar but I think you violated your own policy. You know, the one about keeping politics out of the forum?
I'm no Rhodes scholar but I think you violated your own policy. You know, the one about keeping politics out of the forum?I agree. All political views should be kept out of the forum. We see enough of this shit daily on the news and on Facebook. We do not need it cluttering the place where we enjoy reading and relaxing.
I agree. All political views should be kept out of the forum. We see enough of this shit daily on the news and on Facebook. We do not need it cluttering the place where we enjoy reading and relaxing.Alternatively, "political views" could be posted in the "American Politics during the Trump Presidency" thread, which was created by Admin2. That thread title doesn't narrowly restrict posts in that thread to the Trump presidency itself, but rather opens it to posts regarding American politics during the Trump presidency, which presumably will last at least until January 19 of next year, if not longer.
Interesting to see how other countries tackled the problem.
Sweden went with no lockdown and voluntary isolation. They saw their economy take a dive and recently had the most deaths in their country in the past 150 years. 10% higher than normal. The country is now considering a lock down to slow cases. While Sweden's economy did drop it did less than some other countries, consumer outlook is gloomy as the high death rates have affected spending. Compared to Sweden, Finland had a strict lockdown, less deaths and less negative impact on its economy.
New Zealand on the other hand had strict lock downs and saw the most effective decline in cases and deaths. Their economy also got hit hard but estimates are also forecasting a faster turn around then expected.
Thumperforq
09-15-20, 20:32
Interesting to see how other countries tackled the problem.
Sweden went with no lockdown and voluntary isolation. They saw their economy take a dive and recently had the most deaths in their country in the past 150 years. 10% higher than normal. The country is now considering a lock down to slow cases. While Sweden's economy did drop it did less than some other countries, consumer outlook is gloomy as the high death rates have affected spending. Compared to Sweden, Finland had a strict lockdown, less deaths and less negative impact on its economy.
New Zealand on the other hand had strict lock downs and saw the most effective decline in cases and deaths. Their economy also got hit hard but estimates are also forecasting a faster turn around then expected.Current data is Sweden achieved herd immunity; death rate from Covid is almost zero.
WarriorForLife
09-15-20, 21:35
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Right! However, one particular political party in the US doesn't want that, they want complete chaos and control. They would rather Lock everything down so no one can work and people will lose jobs so they can say it's someones fault.
Current data is Sweden achieved herd immunity; death rate from Covid is almost zero..
How did Vietnam and Thailand stomp out COVID and are back to normal?
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