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Lift Her Up
07-12-23, 17:51
. . . Yes, while it's true that in places like Hypno and a few other spots, the girls get rotated; they also get rotated back to Hypno after a few weeks, . . .Hi Sticker, and thanks for your many contributions too. What you wrote reminds me, when I was writing about girls being rotated off to very distant places, I should also have said I've been with a few who would be rotated around just the SGV and western LA County, and back. I got the phone numbers of a couple so I could see them on my travels if I could, and connect when I got back. One really special one, I lost her number, insert screamed profanity here. She wore a fishnet top and would have her own O as she rode me ACG. She really liked being with me, I think.
I'll add, I was taken to task a few years ago by one of our members who shamed me for not "realizing" that they're always faking the pleasure they seem to be having. Well I can agree that most of the time, nearly all the time it's faked. But not 100% of the time.
Lift Her Up.
One really special one, I lost her number, insert screamed profanity here. She wore a fishnet top and would have her own O as she rode me ACG. She really liked being with me, I think.Whoever took you to task apparently didn't have the knowledge nor skills to know the difference between a real vs. A fake O. I learned early on how to make girls cum, long before I became a paying customer, and then over the last couple of decades built upon those skills to be able to make providers cum regularly. Granted, it's always easier for me to make them cum through DATY, but there are still a good number of them who can also get off during the posturepedic polka, too. The proof is from their post-coital puddle in addition to their vocalizations.
DarkRoomDaddy
07-13-23, 01:30
Whoever took you to task apparently didn't have the knowledge nor skills to know the difference between a real vs. A fake O. I learned early on how to make girls cum, long before I became a paying customer, and then over the last couple of decades built upon those skills to be able to make providers cum regularly. Granted, it's always easier for me to make them cum through DATY, but there are still a good number of them who can also get off during the posturepedic polka, too. The proof is from their post-coital puddle in addition to their vocalizations.In real life, I have had two women who were squirters. You needed a towel after they came. But the other 99.5% come or whatever without excessive water. I was looking at a naked strip chat website with live cams recently, and it seemed many of the girls there were squirters. But then someone told me, that the girls know the trick of saving a little bit of urine, and just peeing themselves for affect. Its pretty obvious to see so much liquid coming out that some of them literally put a bucket under their cootchie or create a wet spot across the floor. So my conclusion is that its mostly bullshit.
I think most women don't come the first few times, even with boyfriends or guys they really like. They need to get comfortable with the guy. Yes oral is preferable but its no guarantee, and it might take 20 minutes or more, to the point you get lockjaw.
The other thing I have learned from hobbying, is that many of these girls are excellent fakers. They whisper in your ear, moan, etc even when they are not stimulate at all, and may not be wet at all. Some of them are obviously fake, but there are few pro's who are amazingly believable.
I think a real orgasm would involve some uncontrollable vaginal spasms. Maybe some wild moans, but some girls are silent. Afterward they probably want some hugging without anything sexual. And the probably dry up if anything. And its highly highly doubtful they enjoy this with guy after guy, hour after hour unless they are a true nyphomaniac. And if a girl really comes with you, she is probably going to develop feelings for you which is a detriment for a working girl.
I think the real deal here is that we as men have it built into our DNA to want to please a woman. We measure ourselves as successful for making the woman pop. Seriously, I don't think they really care to have an orgasm in a little room just feet away from their co-workers. Its all about getting us off as quick as possible and spending as much as possible. So the "oh yes baby" routine it just a tool of the trade.
You can better use your real love-making skills to meet women who are not in the sex business, and get them going for real.
DarkRoomDaddy
07-13-23, 02:22
Grimmy, glad you're supporting a helping organization. I myself donate to a couple of orgs that helps get trapped girls, often underage, out of the business in southeast Asia and India. If you'll PM me a name, I'll include the one you support on my annual giving list.
Lift Her Up.This is a world wide problem. Burmese girls are trafficked into Thailand and China. Romanian girls are trafficked into Germany and Amsterdam. Philipino women are abused in Saudi Arabia, China, Japan. The girls that come to the US have hit the jackpot in terms of sex work. A Chinese girl can make more money in an hour or two here, than her family can make a month back home. They hit the lottery.
PelicanT99
07-13-23, 11:46
I too have had the pleasure of 3-4 true squirters in my life, and yeah the volume of ejaculate is usually a sight to behold. Towels at least; I had to put a plastic cover on my replacement mattress so it wouldn't get moldy like the first one LOL. And yeah, muscle twitches are also frequent. Squirters are a true ego boost, as there's objective evidence of what you did. I've never had anyone who I felt faked a squirt with pee, that'd be quite a feat of concentration during sex, for one thing LOL.
With the other 99%, you never really know. Some girls are just good actresses, others want to have them, sometimes you do the job, etc. If it's paid sex, what does it really matter? I mean, I hope they get off, but I'm not paying for that. I'm paying for my pleasure, and I know if I'm achieving that. If it's nonpaid sex, you just do your best and 90% of the time they're more interested in other features of the "relationship" anyway.
Lift Her Up
08-02-23, 14:06
In the MP thread two days ago, Grunion Runner referred to a girl's "love pillows" in his report titled Cloud Nine. I had not heard that term before. I love it, and I'm adopting it as a favorite metaphor.
Lift Her Up.
If it's paid sex, what does it really matter? I mean, I hope they get off, but I'm not paying for that. I'm paying for my pleasure, 100% agree, and I'll add to that, I'm sure I'm like many here, where I have little interest in seeing a gal again, for several reasons.
Point being, other than the clenching up & ego boost, it's not worth the investment (time, money) where my concern are my needs, not hers.
James D 2004
08-02-23, 22:19
100% agree, and I'll add to that, I'm sure I'm like many here, where I have little interest in seeing a gal again, for several reasons.
Point being, other than the clenching up & ego boost, it's not worth the investment (time, money) where my concern are my needs, not hers.It's included, so it doesn't need extra money if both of you can manage. It doesn't need extra time unless you can fuck non-stop for 60 min.
My priority is my needs. I'm mostly satisfied if she's an eye candy and I have a good release. But it's like buying a TV game. You get more entertainment out of it if you score higher. Or a guitar, you give it all to make it sounds better.
One of the selling points of the enclave girls were their ability to come. If you can duck them for a full 30 min they will. If not, DATY and FIV them until they do. Then finish them with the artillery. The new high school dropouts or graduates can normally do. There are few of them now.
As for repeating, the difference between the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd time isn't an urban legend. For the majority, you don't expect to repeat in the near future. They have no reason to do their best. They honor their menu and won't get any trouble. For the 2nd time, you are a potential regular and they will try hard to keep you against the competition. For the 3rd time, they don't want you to think of any reason to see another. These girls rub shoulders all the time and they know what the competition is.
One of my needs is DFK. It gets me harder, the same reason I need eye candies. And that's one difference from a sex doll. Some ladies will rather BBFS than DFK. It's on the PD no-list as often as Greek. I saw one girl a few times to finish my movie. She looks good but doesn't kiss, but welcomes my bare dick in her mouth. On the 3rd visit she started to dance, kissed me, curled in the fetal position, and snuggled into my arms. The other one started DFK once she was naked and ready. It's passionate enough like all the other girls but she was standing with her back bending backwards, LOL. If I wasn't holding her waist she would have toppled over. For similar reasons, I might have tried to invade her lips and mouth with my tongue but I didn't really inert my tongue. At about the 3rd time her mouth was inviting. I stuck my slimy tongue in and she gave me her tongue back, and also twisting and creating friction.
100% agree, and I'll add to that, I'm sure I'm like many here, where I have little interest in seeing a gal again, for several reasons.
Point being, other than the clenching up & ego boost, it's not worth the investment (time, money) where my concern are my needs, not hers.I don't know. Personally I find satisfaction in making a woman cum, assuming it's a real orgasm. Most of the time in this hobby it's fake, but there are a few unmistakable signs of the rare occasion when you can actually pull off a real one. It's a big turn on for me. The arching of the back, the bucking hips, the moaning, the wetness, and then it's time for me to get off. It adds a lot to the experience, for me at least.
Yup, if you truly want GFE, that's going to involve DFK, DATY and making (or at least attempting) to make her cum. Of course, if BBFS is added into this mix, then it's total GFE, but even with CFS, if all the other elements are part of the experience, it's pretty damn satisfying.
I also get that some guys only want to bust a nut and split. I've no idea what the percentage of dudes who prefer to cum-and-go, versus those of us who want the more all-encompassing experience. But what I do know is that when I'm with a GFE provider and I give as much as I take, mixed in with passion and playfulness from both of us, I walk out the door with a bigger smile pasted across my mug.
I don't know. Personally I find satisfaction in making a woman cum, assuming it's a real orgasm. Most of the time in this hobby it's fake, but there are a few unmistakable signs of the rare occasion when you can actually pull off a real one. It's a big turn on for me. The arching of the back, the bucking hips, the moaning, the wetness, and then it's time for me to get off. It adds a lot to the experience, for me at least.
FarFarAway
08-03-23, 11:52
I am another of those who is looking for an authentic experience of mutual sexual enjoyment. Something I can't get in my primary relationship anymore, for reasons not worth discussing.
This is why I restrict myself to sugarbabies. I would have a difficult time believing, w / someone who is seeing lots of guys for dough, that even if they presented a positive experience, it was real. And I am all about real in my life. I have had dozens of SBs in the past few years. It hasn't hurt that they were all one-half to one-third my age. It is totally exhilarating to bang a girl so hot I would have been scared to approach her when I was her age. Thankfully, many aspects of my confidence have improved w / time and experience, and pleasing someone like that to boot is one. Lots of young girls know that if they are w / an older man, they'll have a lot better experience sexually. It is my counterbalance to the aspects of aging we can't escape.
BraveNuPengwin
08-04-23, 00:13
I am another of those who is looking for an authentic experience of mutual sexual enjoyment. Something I can't get in my primary relationship anymore, for reasons not worth discussing.
This is why I restrict myself to sugarbabies. I would have a difficult time believing, w / someone who is seeing lots of guys for dough, that even if they presented a positive experience, it was real. And I am all about real in my life. I have had dozens of SBs in the past few years. It hasn't hurt that they were all one-half to one-third my age. It is totally exhilarating to bang a girl so hot I would have been scared to approach her when I was her age. Thankfully, many aspects of my confidence have improved w / time and experience, and pleasing someone like that to boot is one. Lots of young girls know that if they are w / an older man, they'll have a lot better experience sexually. It is my counterbalance to the aspects of aging we can't escape.How much do you have to typically spend to keep 1 of these SBs around? I'm sure a bit uglier one is cheaper ay?
FarFarAway
08-04-23, 14:46
How much do you have to typically spend to keep 1 of these SBs around? I'm sure a bit uglier one is cheaper ay?You know, the financial deal is all about your interactions / appeal and what you can negotiate. I have had lovely lovely ongoing 20-something girls in relationships where I was giving her 1000/ mo for 3 meets, as well as covering hotel rooms she booked for us. That is likely my best deal ever. She relocated out of state for a job, I am still in touch w / her, and if she is back to visit, we invariably meet and bang. It won't be often that a May-December relationship of this sort has the kind of chemistry we have, but boy do we.
I was traveling last summer and met up w / a girl who had a real kink for older-younger sex, it was one of the wildest experience I have had. That cost me 600 for once, but I already had a room. If I were in her city we'd still be bangin'. And at a lower price point.
PelicanT99
08-04-23, 16:54
I don't know. Personally I find satisfaction in making a woman cum, assuming it's a real orgasm. Most of the time in this hobby it's fake, but there are a few unmistakable signs of the rare occasion when you can actually pull off a real one. It's a big turn on for me. The arching of the back, the bucking hips, the moaning, the wetness, and then it's time for me to get off. It adds a lot to the experience, for me at least.While as described below I'm on Team Selfish when it comes to paid sex, I totally understand guys who value getting their sex worker off. I like doing it too, but in my personal cost-benefit analysis it's not really relevant, it's just an added free bonus if it happens. Meaning I wouldn't pay more just for that extra satisfaction. But to each their own when spending their own $. We just need to distinguish those seeking mere sexual release from those seeking something "more" from their sex worker (aka your friend or baby or however you regard that girl you pay to spend time with you). Bitter experience has taught me that seeking "more" in this context is a fool's errand & just leads to disappointment, but maybe it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.
While as described below I'm on Team Selfish when it comes to paid sex, I totally understand guys who value getting their sex worker off. I like doing it too, but in my personal cost-benefit analysis it's not really relevant, it's just an added free bonus if it happens. Meaning I wouldn't pay more just for that extra satisfaction. But to each their own when spending their own $. We just need to distinguish those seeking mere sexual release from those seeking something "more" from their sex worker (aka your friend or baby or however you regard that girl you pay to spend time with you). Bitter experience has taught me that seeking "more" in this context is a fool's errand & just leads to disappointment, but maybe it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.I'm with you. Personally, I cum harder if I have at least what seems to be a mutual sexual experience. I won't pay more for DATY. That's pointless to me. But if she lets me get my head between her thighs and she genuinely enjoys it or at least does a good job of pretending to enjoy it, it makes it better when it's my turn. I always assume provider orgasms are fake unless proven otherwise. I have a few girls I've seen who either had real orgasms or did one hell of an academy award winning acting job, including causing a gush of wetness at the end. I'd much rather get my head between a girl's legs than lay face down and get a shitty massage for half an hour.
I'm with you. Personally, I cum harder if I have at least what seems to be a mutual sexual experience. I won't pay more for DATY. That's pointless to me. But if she lets me get my head between her thighs and she genuinely enjoys it or at least does a good job of pretending to enjoy it, it makes it better when it's my turn. I always assume provider orgasms are fake unless proven otherwise. I have a few girls I've seen who either had real orgasms or did one hell of an academy award winning acting job, including causing a gush of wetness at the end. I'd much rather get my head between a girl's legs than lay face down and get a shitty massage for half an hour.You want to see a provider have an orgasm then go Lisa at Angel FS. Now that gal gives a pretty consistent performance. But it is a turn on either way acting or not.
Bitter experience has taught me that seeking "more" in this context is a fool's errand & just leads to disappointment, but maybe it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.I'll spend my time & effort in pleasing my wife. I just want more sex than once or twice a week.
She's got the comforort and relaxation level where she can reguarly soak the sheets. Problem is, I like both quality and quantity.
Paid gives me the quantity, I'll spend the extra time & effort on the quality. - not investing that time and effort in someone I'll likely never see again. (it is nice as well in having a mix).
DarkRoomDaddy
08-05-23, 01:28
I am another of those who is looking for an authentic experience of mutual sexual enjoyment. Something I can't get in my primary relationship anymore, for reasons not worth discussing.
This is why I restrict myself to sugarbabies. I would have a difficult time believing, w / someone who is seeing lots of guys for dough, that even if they presented a positive experience, it was real. And I am all about real in my life. I have had dozens of SBs in the past few years. It hasn't hurt that they were all one-half to one-third my age. It is totally exhilarating to bang a girl so hot I would have been scared to approach her when I was her age. Thankfully, many aspects of my confidence have improved w / time and experience, and pleasing someone like that to boot is one. Lots of young girls know that if they are w / an older man, they'll have a lot better experience sexually. It is my counterbalance to the aspects of aging we can't escape.Most men get aroused by the idea of a woman getting off. Thats why virtually all women make those noises. Its built into our wiring.
Women are variable, and there are occasional nymphos, but the vast majority of women don't get turned on by anonymous, emotionless, rushed trysts in places of questionable privacy. We are fine with all that, but they are not. Now imagine that they work 5 days a week, 10-12 hours a day, grabbing small dicks, big dicks, medium dicks. How much of a turn on is that? I would bet money that the last thing they want to see is yet another dick.
If you want a woman turned on, you need to see her regularly, demonstrate some gentlemanly charm, some humor, then take them out to dinner, and build up to some sex in a romantic place. And even then they rarely come the first time. They often have to have sex several times as their confidence in you grows.
So the vast majority of experiences we have are excellent examples of performance art, like Meg Ryan in that movie with Billie Crystal. All of them do some heavy breathing, some "oh baby", some "you are so big", etc. Some are not too good at it, but there are some girls who should earn an academy award. The whole idea is to get you off as quick as possible so they don't get carpal tunnel syndrome from jacking for 30 minutes, and the tip is good, and you might come back and give more money.
So don't take it too serioiusly. Its all a big game. Just imagine you are a big stud, who is somehow the greatest lover this girl ever saw, so much so, that she loves your dick more than the other 100 she has seen that week.
If you want to really see a woman get off, then have a love affair with a civilian. Someone who actually likes you and is attracted to you. And who isn't pulling 10 dicks a day. Thats some real passion, some real connection.
James D 2004
08-05-23, 14:06
it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.Different guys have different needs. And each guy may have different needs. If the price is right for the whole package, it's a good deal. What's the difference between offering DFK, Greek, fake orgasms, or real orgasms? You get what you fancy if the price is right.
(It's futile to get "more" from a provider when it's not on the menu. Though some may reserve GFE for their regulars as some sort of discount.).
I accidentally tricked myself to see another MILF. She is not bad looking in comparison but gone are the days K-girls wear lingerie and bikinis at the door. She is very skilled, kneeling down to suck my dick sitting in front of the mirror. When it was too intense I breastfeed myself and attacked her 3 holes with my tongue. Then I empty my little load into her bare pussy. It was a small load because I was oversexed. Because of the old Indian med that I found, I was still hard. (The US sold med wasn't as potent.) I couldn't pull out because her pussy said no. I tried again and again but no it said. It was an experience.
Then my fav SW called and so I went to see if anything I can do. I got an erection not long after she got into my car. My pants were too tight for my cock. And so we went for sex again after finishing BBFS an hour earlier. She is a human Viagra. Imagine you pull the hottest SW on the streets or in videos, 100% of the time you will be disappointed. Maybe their makeup hides something. Maybe their naked breasts are too deformed, enhanced or natural. Maybe they have junk in the trunk. Maybe they have a bad personality.
She doesn't disappoint, about 5'6, and looks like a stripper or athlete. Natural breasts pointing forward, firm butt and small waist. A pretty face if you like that exotic look. She has everything you do a double take naked. The disappointments are that she doesn't offer DFK, DATY. She offers BBBJ but at a silly price. That's understandable. If she can offer those she doesn't need to be on the streets. (Most girls don't or you don't want to do it.) She is black with arms covered in tattoos. Some on the body but not in critical places. So I'm not licking some duke's face when I am enjoying her. But she is black so the tats aren't really that visible. I gave her a schoolgirl outfit because she will look the best. She didn't take it off so I had no chance to take it back for laundry. I do that because if you leave it you will probably not see it again unless you specifically ask for it. But that day she was wearing an elastic little black dress in the daytime. If she walks a few steps her dress will reveal a hint of her red micro panties, if you know it's there.
PelicanT99
08-05-23, 17:18
I think "Rants & Stupid Shit" has become "Probing, Honest Self-Reflections" LOL. JK, I find this discussion a lot more fascinating than Parasite Pie's (not real name) 86th post asking for others to relate the details re: sex they paid for and he can't afford, like he misses the old Penthouse Letters stories. Reading others' views actually helps me reflect on and think through my own motivations, rationalizations, decisions; and that's a good thing so thanks!
Lift Her Up
08-06-23, 14:31
There is a long article in the 8/5 issue of the LA Times about how Mei Xing, the owner of Sunshine, Rose Spa, Garvey Therapy and others in the SGV was found not guilty on federal trafficking charges. It starts on the front page and continues on two full pages inside. I suggest reading it.
Lift Her Up.
Heartless Jay
08-06-23, 16:52
There is a long article in the 8/5 issue of the LA Times about how Mei Xing, the owner of Sunshine, Rose Spa, Garvey Therapy and others in the SGV was found not guilty on federal trafficking charges. It starts on the front page and continues on two full pages inside. I suggest reading it.
Lift Her Up.I had read that story before, very enlightening. Several of the women who had accused MMS of trafficking them had come from other sex work jobs. Not really the innocent victims they claimed to have been.
There is a long article in the 8/5 issue of the LA Times about how Mei Xing, the owner of Sunshine, Rose Spa, Garvey Therapy and others in the SGV was found not guilty on federal trafficking charges. It starts on the front page and continues on two full pages inside. I suggest reading it.
Lift Her Up.The sex trafficking charges were total BS and Mei was incarcerated for three years before she was found not guilty.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-12-23, 11:41
The sex trafficking charges were total BS and Mei was incarcerated for three years before she was found not guilty.What happened? Did it start with a LE sting, or did a girl claim to be a victim? I know for a fact that many immigrants are coached how to apply for green cards by playing the victim card. The problem with enforcement of this, is that we have a preformed picture in our heads, and we automatically assume its some nefarious trafficker taking advantage of innocent women. The truth of the matter is that most of these girls actively seek out this high paying profession. There are a few who act like they are doing something they don't like, but if you suggest to them to take some English classes and get a legit massage license or get out of the business, they never have the least amount of interest. They are in love. In love with the big money that dwarfs anything they might get from washing dishes, sewing tee shirts, or cleaning houses. My own theory is that US society has become anti-male. Just think of how many times you heard the terms toxic masculinity or patriarchy recently. By extension, no woman would want to willingly provide pleasurable services to men unless forced to do so, so they must be victims. But the upside is that most of Asia is much more male-friendly, and these shops would go out of business if our own society was more open to men and their sexual needs.
Lift Her Up
08-16-23, 00:31
I just left a major question post in the Viagra thread, a top level thread, not under any of the states, you can see it from the top menu level. I have come to trust many of you guys who post in this OC section and if you have any thoughts about what I just wrote, I'd be glad to read them.
Lift Her Up.
PelicanT99
08-16-23, 10:57
I just left a major question post in the Viagra thread, a top level thread, not under any of the states, you can see it from the top menu level. I have come to trust many of you guys who post in this OC section and if you have any thoughts about what I just wrote, I'd be glad to read them.
Lift Her Up.I don't know about high-level dosage, but when I started on 5 mg daily for BPE, and holy shit it was like I was 18 again. I'd started on testosterone gel for low T about a year before, and that helped "focus my attention" but I think that Cialis made me harder & maybe bigger than past few years. (T gel also had the unexpected benefit of easing aches & pains after exercise, which improves my mood & willingness to exercise.).
I would say, always consult an actual doctor before playing with medicines in your body. T gel is "like jet fuel for prostate cancer" per my doctor, and I must submit to regular probing to be sure it's not changing. Plus it makes it easier & cheaper to score the meds (my post insurance share of a 90 day Cialis Rx is like $20, although it's a "pre-approval" Rx and requires the doctor to jump some hoops).
The one time I need to go for a drive and waste my time, the Enclave crew isn't working LOL. It's been a couple days. I hope they're okay and it was just caution for the storm. The storm that was nothing but some rain and humidity. Their absence shows how much they contribute to the site. It'd be so empty and boring without them, sigh.
I'm posting this in response to the discussion in the MP thread about legal issues with MPs and posting "in code" on here as is commonplace with some people. As a reminder, I'm a legit spa owner so I know the legal landscape extremely well. There's a few things I can tell all of you.
1. Massage is not a licensed profession in California. In fact, California is the last remaining state that doesn't have a state massage license. What we have is a "certificate," and it is up to each individual city as to whether they want to require the certificate to practice massage or not. Most California jurisdictions do require the certificate. There are a few that only say one person on staff has to have the certificate and all of the other therapists are working under the CMT's supervision, but that's the fairly rare exception. The organization that issues the certificates is a civilian organization, not part of the government. As part of the process, they do vet massage schools and require a certain number of hours of instruction from a recognized massage school.
2. Since there is no California state massage board, regulation of massage establishments is entirely up to the individual cities. You can look up the municipal code for any city just by googling it. You will find that just about every city has a "massage establishments" section in their muni codes. Looking at that for any given city will tell you a lot. You will also find that a lot of cities just seem to copy their massage codes from other cities, as the language tends to be similar from city to city. Costa Mesa is one of the oddball ones that has weird rules that other cities don't have. Things like inward looking peepholes on the room doors, restrictions on light dimmers, and such.
3. One thing that is common is that by holding a massage establishment business license, you subject yourself to random inspections by either city officials or law enforcement. If either shows up, you cannot deny access. Therefore, law enforcement doesn't need to have a search warrant. They can just show up for their random inspection at any time unannounced and you have to give them access, and there has to be a manager on staff to provide them with any information that is needed. Some cities are far more strict on actually enforcing their muni codes than others. CM for example is a pain in the ass, even with massage establishments that are well known to be legit. Westminster doesn't really care that much.
4. The one thing I can say with 100% certainty is that city officials know full well what goes on in all of these places. They don't need to read USASG posts and sort through vague or coded language. They know who the jack shacks are, who the FS shops are, and exactly how things work. Some cities are tolerant of that and some aren't. I've posted before that I lived in Downey for a long time. I no longer live in Downey, but I had a cop in Downey tell me once that they have no interest in busting those places. They'd rather have that stuff going on in the MPs where it's contained, so long as the MPs don't become a nuisance. If they break up the MPs the end result is they just drive the sex work underground where it's harder to monitor and contain.
5. Once again, it doesn't take a LE sting to go after a MP. If a city wants a place shut down, there are 100 different ways they could do it without getting LE involved, and a lot of them can be done so quietly that the public won't even notice. It's not to say that MPs don't get busted, because we all know they do, but the main point is that speaking in code on here isn't going to prevent anyplace from getting busted.
I'm posting this in response to the discussion in the MP thread about legal issues with MPs and posting "in code" on here as is commonplace with some people. As a reminder, I'm a legit spa owner so I know the legal landscape extremely well. There's a few things I can tell all of you.
1. Massage is not a licensed profession in California. In fact, California is the last remaining state that doesn't have a state massage license. What we have is a "certificate," and it is up to each individual city as to whether they want to require the certificate to practice massage or not. Most California jurisdictions do require the certificate. There are a few that only say one person on staff has to have the certificate and all of the other therapists are working under the CMT's supervision, but that's the fairly rare exception. The organization that issues the certificates is a civilian organization, not part of the government. As part of the process, they do vet massage schools and require a certain number of hours of instruction from a recognized massage school.
2. Since there is no California state massage board, regulation of massage establishments is entirely up to the individual cities. You can look up the municipal code for any city just by googling it. You will find that just about every city has a "massage establishments" section in their muni codes. Looking at that for any given city will tell you a lot. You will also find that a lot of cities just seem to copy their massage codes from other cities, as the language tends to be similar from city to city. Costa Mesa is one of the oddball ones that has weird rules that other cities don't have. Things like inward looking peepholes on the room doors, restrictions on light dimmers, and such..Hey Grimmy, always appreciate your posts -this was very informative. Why do you think some places get busted then? Is it due to complaints from locals or other businesses? Any thoughts on the kind of place or features of a place that makes it riskier for mongers?
I'm posting this in response to the discussion in the MP thread about legal issues with MPs and posting "in code" on here as is commonplace with some people. As a reminder, I'm a legit spa owner so I know the legal landscape extremely well. There's a few things I can tell all of you.
1. Massage is not a licensed profession in California. In fact, California is the last remaining state that doesn't have a state massage license. What we have is a "certificate," and it is up to each individual city as to whether they want to require the certificate to practice massage or not. Most California jurisdictions do require the certificate. There are a few that only say one person on staff has to have the certificate and all of the other therapists are working under the CMT's supervision, but that's the fairly rare exception. The organization that issues the certificates is a civilian organization, not part of the government. As part of the process, they do vet massage schools and require a certain number of hours of instruction from a recognized massage school.
2. Since there is no California state massage board, regulation of massage establishments is entirely up to the individual cities. You can look up the municipal code for any city just by googling it. You will find that just about every city has a "massage establishments" section in their muni codes. Looking at that for any given city will tell you a lot. You will also find that a lot of cities just seem to copy their massage codes from other cities, as the language tends to be similar from city to city. Costa Mesa is one of the oddball ones that has weird rules that other cities don't have. Things like inward looking peepholes on the room doors, restrictions on light dimmers, and such.
3. One thing that is common is that by holding a massage establishment business license, you subject yourself to random inspections by either city officials or law enforcement. If either shows up, you cannot deny access. Therefore, law enforcement doesn't need to have a search warrant. They can just show up for their random inspection at any time unannounced and you have to give them access, and there has to be a manager on staff to provide them with any information that is needed. Some cities are far more strict on actually enforcing their muni codes than others. CM for example is a pain in the ass, even with massage establishments that are well known to be legit. Westminster doesn't really care that much.
4. The one thing I can say with 100% certainty is that city officials know full well what goes on in all of these places. They don't need to read USASG posts and sort through vague or coded language. They know who the jack shacks are, who the FS shops are, and exactly how things work. Some cities are tolerant of that and some aren't. I've posted before that I lived in Downey for a long time. I no longer live in Downey, but I had a cop in Downey tell me once that they have no interest in busting those places. They'd rather have that stuff going on in the MPs where it's contained, so long as the MPs don't become a nuisance. If they break up the MPs the end result is they just drive the sex work underground where it's harder to monitor and contain.
5. Once again, it doesn't take a LE sting to go after a MP. If a city wants a place shut down, there are 100 different ways they could do it without getting LE involved, and a lot of them can be done so quietly that the public won't even notice. It's not to say that MPs don't get busted, because we all know they do, but the main point is that speaking in code on here isn't going to prevent anyplace from getting busted.Great informative post. You just have to look back to what happen in Inglewood back in 2007 or so when an investigation into a rape of a prostitute by cops and the Feds looking into SoCal MPs human trafficking turned up evidence that Inglewood cops were getting free sessions and sometimes while in uniform.
The cops and cities know exactly what is going on. It was a shame because many of those Inglewood MPs had Kgirl talent comparable to what the K-orgs have now. Oriental Acupressure on Manchester was probably the best of the bunch.
Net-Net is put the address in a review instead of a weird flex that you know more than the other guy.
Hey Grimmy, always appreciate your posts -this was very informative. Why do you think some places get busted then? Is it due to complaints from locals or other businesses? Any thoughts on the kind of place or features of a place that makes it riskier for mongers?No telling. Election time seemed to be a more common time for busts. February? Of each year is when Human Trafficking task forces do a nationwide enforcement.
Irvine many years ago, on McDurmott had a nice parlor, until as I recall some young attorneys moved in next door and was it a dry cleaners? Forget that detail, but they could hear the girls working or getting worked thru the walls. The attorneys sued landlords, called police, basically did it all to disrupt the parlor next door.
Lake Forest set their sights on Lake Forest Bodycentre. Recall, LF spent something like 400 k to shut down the parlor, which maybe only briefly shutdown, then sold or just another individual opened basically the same business in the same spot.
Details on this one, Korean lady, her son was into BMX racing or stunts. She bought a track and all. She had more than one parlor, in more than one city. She got to basically big time, and probably pissed someone off.
So, to sum up, why do some get busted, others not. Elections, pissing people off by too much traffic or not discreet enough, or just making too much money.
5. Once again, it doesn't take a LE sting to go after a MP. If a city wants a place shut down, there are 100 different ways they could do it without getting LE involved, and a lot of them can be done so quietly that the public won't even notice. It's not to say that MPs don't get busted, because we all know they do, but the main point is that speaking in code on here isn't going to prevent anyplace from getting busted.Grimmy, thanks again for a wonderful, educational post.
Others might disagree with me, but posting more information, not less on what parlors do what will only help drive more business to parlors that have a broader menu.
The whole supply & demand dynamic, if demand is concentrated in the few full service shops, - ore demand. The supply will soon follow. The false advertizing places that don't provide, will get less business or would need to up their game to remain competitive.
But, perhaps I'm oversimplifying it. Speaking in codes does no one any good. IMHO.
Hey Grimmy, always appreciate your posts -this was very informative. Why do you think some places get busted then? Is it due to complaints from locals or other businesses? Any thoughts on the kind of place or features of a place that makes it riskier for mongers?All I can really say is always have your antenna up when patronizing any of these places. Trust your gut, and if your gut tells you that something doesn't look or feel right then keep your pants zipped and get the hell out of there. Busts are somewhat rare, but if you do get caught in a bust or random inspection, keep your mouth shut. You were there for a massage because your back hurt. If they just happen to kick a door open and catch you balls deep in a girl, you didn't pay for it. You came in and got a massage, and everything else that happened was a consensual act between two consenting adults.
What makes busts more likely? I would definitely recommend staying out of cities like Costa Mesa where they keep a close eye on massage shops, even the legit ones. A couple months back an MP opened up in Cerritos. It was reviewed here and I warned people not to go there because Cerritos is a city that doesn't tolerate MPs. A few people mocked me for that here and I even got a couple of threatening messages. I didn't have any inside knowledge, but I do know a few people who work for that city and I know they like to keep a pristine image. Sure enough that place wasn't around for more than a week or two after that discussion popped up here. No LE raid that I could find any evidence of. They most likely took the administrative route and just pulled their operating permit.
I've talked about how Downey is a city that tolerates MPs. If you know Downey, and I lived there for about 24 years, there are 4 or 5 MPs in town that have all been in business for 25-30 years. The city knows full well what goes on in there and they operate completely undisturbed. One of them is even directly across the street from a high school. But one day maybe they get a majority of people on City Council who decide they want their city "cleaned up," so they pass resolutions to shut down the MPs. In the massage industry you usually need what's called a Conditional Use Permit to be open. I won't get too far into the details, but when a CUP is required you have to have a public hearing before you are granted permission to open. That means you have to mail out notices to everyone living within a certain radius of your proposed business informing them of the date, time, and location of the public hearing so they can show up to voice their concerns. It also means you subject yourself to random inspections as I pointed out before, and operating under certain tightly specified conditions. Often the conditions are you must be closed by 10 PM, you can't have blacked out windows, nobody sleeps in the business under any circumstances, etc. If a city wants to shut down MPs, all they have to do is summon owners of those businesses to a special hearing in front of City Council where they have to defend themselves, and if the Council determines they are operating an illicit business they revoke their CUP right on the spot and it's game over. La Palma did that a few years ago. There used to be 3 or 4 AMPs in La Palma and they were more or less undisturbed for a lot of years, until one day LP City Council decided to go after them. I think in that case, the fact that one of them was operating in a medical office building right next door to a doctor's office had a lot to do with it. The doctor's office most likely got annoyed by all of the guys filing into the space next door to get serviced and complained to the city. Again I'm just guessing here. I have no inside knowledge other than knowing how the process works.
Human trafficking can be another trigger. There are places around here that use trafficked girls, and there are Federal task forces going after those. I tend to be on the lookout for signs of trafficking and just avoid those shops, mostly because I don't want to be taking advantage of women who may not be doing this by their own free will. Those shops are also probably more exposed for potential LE raids. Some signs I look out for are any sign of the girls living or sleeping in the shop, shops that get completely new lineups of girls every couple weeks, and any sign of physical or emotional abuse. Not that those are 100% signs that the girls are trafficked, but they're among the most telltale signs. It's a controversial subject when I talk about it here so do your research and draw your own conclusions.
James D 2004
08-30-23, 16:02
Finally, a place for my stupid shit. I have said that some people don't know how OC works. I mean if you don't know anything or care about the law in the US, you just need to observe and you can find out if your argument is valid. This is all about posting "secret" information or not.
Irvine has been flip-flopping over the years. Now, MP's have no reviews, reported as non-erotic or closed. Lake Forest still has over 40 MPs and everything still goes on despite some LE trouble reported recently. Long ago, I think it's Westminster, required MPs to display signs that they are subject to random inspection, and for their own benefit, there were signs that said no sex provided (which is not true). Some cities do not allow doors or mandate a peephole. Cities can easily get rid of all MPs instead of catching evidence of prostitution in each of them.
Are there actually secrets? The city of Orange has over 80 MPs. I bet you can find prostitution in all of them. It has been the most reliable city for getting hand jobs from college girls paying for college. Green Sign has the 2nd highest number of reviews and 1st in trending. To report or not it's a personal matter. There are reasons to and others not. You can't blame other people. If nobody reports there will be no public forums. Somebody isn't going to MPs week in and week out. If you have a good run for months or years, treasure it and don't blame anyone for ruining it.
Are there any difficulties in finding the location of secret brothels, the k-houses, c-houses, enclave? I'll be an informant if you pay for it. The so-called private locations in OC on HX are only two, which have a run for several years, and before that, the 91/55 location. The two OC locations were also used by the k-houses before that.
California has a long history of don't ask don't tell, except for trafficking, for which LE has to do something every year to justify their extra funding. The trafficking charges failed on the last one in OC.
Now a little about the law. To catch prostitution you have to get caught paying for sex. So if you are posting valid information, people are helped by you. The MPs can handle that easily in case it happens. Money, and condoms on anybody enjoying a nude massage don't count. If they get busted it's not your fault. It's not like it's a drug house. You search and you get drugs as evidence. Even if LE is monitoring your postings online personally, they still have to catch you in the act.
Finally, a place for my stupid shit. I have said that some people don't know how OC works. I mean if you don't know anything or care about the law in the US, you just need to observe and you can find out if your argument is valid. This is all about posting "secret" information or not.
Irvine has been flip-flopping over the years. Now, MP's have no reviews, reported as non-erotic or closed. Lake Forest still has over 40 MPs and everything still goes on despite some LE trouble reported recently. Long ago, I think it's Westminster, required MPs to display signs that they are subject to random inspection, and for their own benefit, there were signs that said no sex provided (which is not true). Some cities do not allow doors or mandate a peephole. Cities can easily get rid of all MPs instead of catching evidence of prostitution in each of them.
Are there actually secrets? The city of Orange has over 80 MPs. I bet you can find prostitution in all of them. It has been the most reliable city for getting hand jobs from college girls paying for college. Green Sign has the 2nd highest number of reviews and 1st in trending. To report or not it's a personal matter. There are reasons to and others not. You can't blame other people. If nobody reports there will be no public forums. Somebody isn't going to MPs week in and week out. If you have a good run for months or years, treasure it and don't blame anyone for ruining it.t.I'm the one that posted in the massage thread questioning the practice of including the MP address in a post describing services. After reading all the feedback, some of which included I'm a dumbass (if the shoe fits), as well as taking note of many MP ads that provide lengthy descriptions of the illegal services they offer, all while including their address, I finally came to the only reasonable conclusion. You guys were right and I was wrong. Sorry to LC310, especially, as he took the brunt of my misguided stance. Mea culpa complete.
I'm the one that posted in the massage thread questioning the practice of including the MP address in a post describing services. After reading all the feedback, some of which included I'm a dumbass (if the shoe fits), as well as taking note of many MP ads that provide lengthy descriptions of the illegal services they offer, all while including their address, I finally came to the only reasonable conclusion. You guys were right and I was wrong. Sorry to LC310, especially, as he took the brunt of my misguided stance. Mea culpa complete.No one is worried about it, aside from the possible forum infraction.
It is a common misconception, that posting here makes a difference. This spot is not the only one, in fact a forum sponsor has details that one might not find here, in a conversation style forum.
I've seen news reports that mention this site and others. Sure, in some regard this might confirm what is going on behind closed doors at some spots. Some new council person might run into this.
So, don't worry, these places will come and go for reasons that most of us, including myself may never know the reasons. Could be, they made their buck and just want out, could be, LE or Code Enforcement actions, Health Department, or could go even higher. Sometimes it makes the news, other times it doesn't.
Some of these places have been hiding in plain sight for decades, while others will make a huge splash and force the hands of what ever authorities that can and willing to enforce.
BraveNuPengwin
09-01-23, 17:53
Finally, a place for my stupid shit. I have said that some people don't know how OC works. I mean if you don't know anything or care about the law in the US, you just need to observe and you can find out if your argument is valid. This is all about posting "secret" information or not.
Irvine has been flip-flopping over the years. Now, MP's have no reviews, reported as non-erotic or closed. Lake Forest still has over 40 MPs and everything still goes on despite some LE trouble reported recently. Long ago, I think it's Westminster, required MPs to display signs that they are subject to random inspection, and for their own benefit, there were signs that said no sex provided (which is not true). Some cities do not allow doors or mandate a peephole. Cities can easily get rid of all MPs instead of catching evidence of prostitution in each of them.
Are there actually secrets? The city of Orange has over 80 MPs. I bet you can find prostitution in all of them. It has been the most reliable city for getting hand jobs from college girls paying for college. Green Sign has the 2nd highest number of reviews and 1st in trending. To report or not it's a personal matter. There are reasons to and others not. You can't blame other people. If nobody reports there will be no public forums. Somebody isn't going to MPs week in and week out. If you have a good run for months or years, treasure it and don't blame anyone for ruining it."Money, and condoms on anybody enjoying a nude massage don't count".
Really? It's for my girlfriend after the massage? Or how do you get away with this?
"Money, and condoms on anybody enjoying a nude massage don't count".
Really? It's for my girlfriend after the massage? Or how do you get away with this?That has nothing to do with the topic at hand of posting addresses here.
If I say 123 main street, anytown USA and then give a detailed description of our session.
VS.
I went to this place next to a 7-11 and across the street from a broken streetlight, and a detailed description of the session.
That's the question.
James D 2004
09-02-23, 14:33
"Money, and condoms on anybody enjoying a nude massage don't count".
Really? It's for my girlfriend after the massage? Or how do you get away with this?It's a case of not knowing the difference between the US laws and China. If you don't believe you have to observe some case law yourself.
You don't need to explain. Paying for a nude massage is legal. Having a condom is legal. Having sex is legal too if you didn't pay for it. That's the hard thing to prove unless one of you are stupid to admit it. Or you say or text something on the phone that shows your illegal intention.
As for posting addresses, it's totally unnecessary. Admin has to check whether it's personal information. Just post the name of the establishment.
It's a case of not knowing the difference between the US laws and China. If you don't believe you have to observe some case law yourself.
You don't need to explain. Paying for a nude massage is legal. Having a condom is legal. Having sex is legal too if you didn't pay for it. That's the hard thing to prove unless one of you are stupid to admit it. Or you say or text something on the phone that shows your illegal intention.
As for posting addresses, it's totally unnecessary. Admin has to check whether it's personal information. Just post the name of the establishment.All that is true, all is legal. Unless one of the parties admits to LE that the transaction was paid for, LE will have a difficult if not impossible time convicting. Deals can be offered to either party, which shortcut the process. Mongers might not be able to withstand court action of any kind. Our ladies, might be offered one thing or another for turning on their parlor and the owners.
Addresses, this here.
NO PERSONALLY IDENTIFYING INFO! If you post anyone's last name or street address your membership will be deleted automatically.
One could interpret as to include massage parlors as well. I'm not sure I would. I seem to recall, admin2 at some point in time advised against it, but honestly no idea when / where in this forum that was.
For me, bottom line, give an accurate name, an accurate city, an accurate street, for most, that should be enough to look on google maps and find it without driving all over town.
The thing that sucks, mongers seem to have huge problems with correct cities. Green Sign place, is squarely in City of Orange, as is Believe, yet both are on Tustin Street / Ave.
Places on Lake Forest Drive in Laguna Hills are frequently said to be in Lake Forest. List can go on and on.
Lift Her Up
09-04-23, 13:48
The thing that sucks, mongers seem to have huge problems with correct cities. Green Sign place, is squarely in City of Orange, as is Believe, yet both are on Tustin Street / Ave.
Places on Lake Forest Drive in Laguna Hills are frequently said to be in Lake Forest. List can go on and on.I agree, there have been lots of mistakes on cities, particularly mixing up Tustin the street and Tustin the town. I have posted corrections to the most of the mistakes I've noticed. Also I've committed a couple of these mistakes myself. In that context, please be aware that Believe is in Santa Ana. See the attached Google Maps screenshot. Orange is in the lighter color towards the top.
Lift Her Up.
In response to certain posts in the MP thread about places getting raided / shut down if they get too much traffic or attention, that isn't necessarily true. It certainly can be true, but it depends on a lot more than that. The Fairview shops had a lot more going on than just MPs. High profile cannabis (legal now of course, but still a lot of traffic that contributed to the overall shadiness of the building), a couple of people ending up dead, and various other things going on put that place on the city's radar. And again, this is in Costa Mesa, which is a city that has an extremely low tolerance for massage shenanigans. As I posted before, some cities tolerate MPs and some don't. I know of a few very reliable places in Downey that have been in business for 30 years and the city pretty much leaves them alone. One of them is even right across the street from a high school and very close to a residential district.
There was a place in Pomona years back that some of you might remember. Pomona Valley Health Spa. It was an all out brothel with white and Latina girls. Everything FS. They were a quaint, quiet little spot for years, but residents in the area started complaining about the surrounding streets being littered with used condoms, pages torn out of porn magazines, and even drug needles. The city finally took notice and ran them out. But if they had kept things clean and under the radar they'd probably still have their doors open today.
The Green Sign place could potentially be in danger just due to the amount of traffic it is seeing, but that also isn't necessarily true. It's along a strip of major roadway in Orange that has had quite a few MPs pop up in recent history, so maybe it will be just fine. But say you own a nail salon or hair salon next door, and your female clients start complaining about all of the creepy men showing up to get serviced, and one of those businesses complains to the landlord who complains to the city. Now you have something that the city is likely to take action on. Cities like Orange, Westminster, GG etc are tolerant of MPs as long as they operate fairly under the radar. If they start to become a public nuisance they will take action. That would be my main concern about the Green Sign place. It's not the same scenario as 440 Fair or many of the other shops that got shut down in the past.
Bottom line is every situation is different. Cities that have a lot of MPs are likely tolerating them, until such a time when some politician decides they want their city "cleaned up" and go after the places en masse.
Landlords can be the cause of a parlor closing, as much as any other entity.
Really, the cause of parlors closing, likely unique in nearly every case. Recall, don't recall if the place had a name or not, Monica on Sky Park Circle in Irvine. Place was under the radar. One couldn't just walk in the door and get an appointment. Had to be referred in by someone. BMalibu likely referred many of us. Recall Monica complaining that he was just referring anyone to her place.
During their last months there, think someone had a gripe with BMalibu. Maybe he didn't want to refer this person, maybe something else. Not sure if the person ever got in, but he did write a review of one of the ladies on the prominent review boards, recall it was SantaClaus.
It wasn't much time and the parlor closed. Think the owner or Monica got spooked and decided to close. No idea if she ever managed another parlor. Super sweet lady, enjoyed talking with her after each appointment.
The most funny one, was OK Accupressure. Towards the end, the owners moved it around, from Sky Park, to a place on Red Hill, to Von Karman, One of the places, believe the address was Santa Ana, along the 55, near South Coast as I recall so many years later. Very old industrial complex. They built all the rooms and everything, up and running for a couple months. Went by one day, saw older korean guy, tearing the place up. Apparently, landlords kicked them out. I asked why they are moving, he said "This kind of business isn't allowed here" hahaha.
Green Sign place, like Grimmy says, busy parlor may or may not be a problem. Can see it both ways. Us patrons, we need to be respectful when coming / going from busy parlors. Don't leave trash, don't be counting money going in, don't be waiting in the car observing, etc.
The businesses might have an issue with Green Sign, just due to the increased traffic in the very small plaza parking lot. Limited spaces and might always be full, causing hardships for their own customers. The businesses that are adjacent to Green Sign, could potentially over hear the activities going on, if the girls are especially noisy. That might cause the businesses to call the city / police / landlord or who knows.
Just my opinion, parlors need to keep the customers in as long as possible, shouldn't turn a 30 minute appointment into 10-12 minutes. Sure, more money, but everyone around them will notice men walking in, and coming back out too soon.
Parlors need to look after the customers, make sure they get dressed properly. Again, just don't want things to look too weird.
These places will come and go, often for reasons none of us might ever learn of.
ArtVandalay90
09-05-23, 06:18
The Green Sign place could potentially be in danger just due to the amount of traffic it is seeing, but that also isn't necessarily true. It's along a strip of major roadway in Orange that has had quite a few MPs pop up in recent history, so maybe it will be just fine. But say you own a nail salon or hair salon next door, and your female clients start complaining about all of the creepy men showing up to get serviced, and one of those businesses complains to the landlord who complains to the city. Now you have something that the city is likely to take action on. Cities like Orange, Westminster, GG etc are tolerant of MPs as long as they operate fairly under the radar. If they start to become a public nuisance they will take action. That would be my main concern about the Green Sign place. It's not the same scenario as 440 Fair or many of the other shops that got shut down in the past.
Bottom line is every situation is different. Cities that have a lot of MPs are likely tolerating them, until such a time when some politician decides they want their city "cleaned up" and go after the places en masse.It seems like when the neighbors get involved, a place will be gone soon thereafter. I remember the FS place in Cypress on Cerritos got shutdown because of the sandwich shop next door. There was a youtube video of a city council meeting where the owner complained about the girls luxury cars parked behind their shop, and how they had a plumbing issue because of flushed condoms. I remember the few times I went there I visited after dark just to avoid all the nosy people next door.
In response to certain posts in the MP thread about places getting raided / shut down if they get too much traffic or attention, that isn't necessarily true. It certainly can be true, but it depends on a lot more than that. The Fairview shops had a lot more going on than just MPs. High profile cannabis (legal now of course, but still a lot of traffic that contributed to the overall shadiness of the building), a couple of people ending up dead, and various other things going on put that place on the city's radar. And again, this is in Costa Mesa, which is a city that has an extremely low tolerance for massage shenanigans. As I posted before, some cities tolerate MPs and some don't. I know of a few very reliable places in Downey that have been in business for 30 years and the city pretty much leaves them alone. One of them is even right across the street from a high school and very close to a residential district.
There was a place in Pomona years back that some of you might remember. Pomona Valley Health Spa. It was an all out brothel with white and Latina girls. Everything FS. They were a quaint, quiet little spot for years, but residents in the area started complaining about the surrounding streets being littered with used condoms, pages torn out of porn magazines, and even drug needles. The city finally took notice and ran them out. But if they had kept things clean and under the radar they'd probably still have their doors open today.
The Green Sign place could potentially be in danger just due to the amount of traffic it is seeing, but that also isn't necessarily true. It's along a strip of major roadway in Orange that has had quite a few MPs pop up in recent history, so maybe it will be just fine. But say you own a nail salon or hair salon next door, and your female clients start complaining about all of the creepy men showing up to get serviced, and one of those businesses complains to the landlord who complains to the city. Now you have something that the city is likely to take action on. Cities like Orange, Westminster, GG etc are tolerant of MPs as long as they operate fairly under the radar. If they start to become a public nuisance they will take action. That would be my main concern about the Green Sign place. It's not the same scenario as 440 Fair or many of the other shops that got shut down in the past.
Bottom line is every situation is different. Cities that have a lot of MPs are likely tolerating them, until such a time when some politician decides they want their city "cleaned up" and go after the places en masse.Another way that an MP gets closed down is when the Feds get involved.
There is the case with the Texas motocross track that was purchased and run by an MP owning group who were under the radar of the feds for money laundering. I believe this is the case where one of their MPs were in Inglewood and the investigation exposed that Inglewood PD were going into the place for free sex sometimes even in uniform. This ended up bringing down all the MPs in Inglewood and some that had been there for decades. Until the SoFi stadium opened many of those MP locations remained vacant for a decade or more. The city would rather have MPs there than nothing.
Same thing goes for human trafficking. If the feds investigation leads them to an MP that has been there for decades in an MP friendly city, it doesn't matter as there is a good chance that all the MPs in that city/town will go away due to the attention the investigation brings forcing the city to act. Local papers and community groups love these stories adding to the pressure.
The bottom line is that putting an address of an MP and reporting what happened here in a forum is:
A) the purpose of these forums and the content is what makes the owner of this site money
B) is not going to jeopardize the closure of an MP
The guys that do the code crap are just looking for a flex.
Another way that an MP gets closed down is when the Feds get involved.
There is the case with the Texas motocross track that was purchased and run by an MP owning group who were under the radar of the feds for money laundering. I believe this is the case where one of their MPs were in Inglewood and the investigation exposed that Inglewood PD were going into the place for free sex sometimes even in uniform. This ended up bringing down all the MPs in Inglewood and some that had been there for decades. Until the SoFi stadium opened many of those MP locations remained vacant for a decade or more. The city would rather have MPs there than nothing.
Same thing goes for human trafficking. If the feds investigation leads them to an MP that has been there for decades in an MP friendly city, it doesn't matter as there is a good chance that all the MPs in that city/town will go away due to the attention the investigation brings forcing the city to act. Local papers and community groups love these stories adding to the pressure.
The bottom line is that putting an address of an MP and reporting what happened here in a forum is:
A) the purpose of these forums and the content is what makes the owner of this site money
B) is not going to jeopardize the closure of an MP
The guys that do the code crap are just looking for a flex.Feds are only going to get involved if there's money laundering or trafficking involved. Unfortunately the fact is that almost 100% of our favorite shops are doing some sort of money laundering. They're running cash based operations and I can tell you with 100% certainty that they're not reporting anywhere near their entire income, so they have to bury the money somewhere. That means they're also practicing tax evasion. Trafficking does exist but it isn't as prevalent in MPs as it once was. Most of it has gone to the streets or more underground. So there definitely is potential for the feds to get involved as well, but for the most part you're going to find that enforcement comes from the individual cities, and the ones that have a lot of MPs generally aren't going to care that much, until they do.
Bottom line is be respectful to the community. Don't loiter, keep noise down, don't leave trash in the parking lots, especially things like used condoms and porn magazines, and it will all contribute to keeping our favorite shops under the radar. Downey Massage was one of my old favorite haunts when I lived in Downey. It has been around for 30 years and stays pretty low profile, despite being right by a high school and very close to houses. It stays quiet enough that it doesn't seem to bother the neighbors at all. Most of the neighbors probably don't even realize it's there. That's the key.
James D 2004
09-05-23, 14:18
Feds are only going to get involved if there's money laundering or trafficking involved. Unfortunately the fact is that almost 100% of our favorite shops are doing some sort of money laundering. They're running cash based operations and I can tell you with 100% certainty that they're not reporting anywhere near their entire income, so they have to bury the money somewhere. That means they're also practicing tax evasion.For an MP, tax evasion and money laundering are contradicting things. To use an MP for laundering, you can find a bad location for cheap, make up fake visits and everybody pay $300. Then you can spend the money legally and take a cut of the cash for profit. That's unlikely for the small sum laundered.
AlCapone2006
09-07-23, 23:35
Yes AMPs should just keep to their 30 minutes or 60 minutes.
Let's be honest everyone's done in 15 minutes or so. So yah. It's obvious the haters or a rival shop / ex AMP girl will ruin a busy shop. BTW looks like hypno and green shop which is literally across from shell / del taco, saw a Tustin pig pull over someone leaving hypno right before he got on the 55 freeway. No puss is worth a ticket let alone a sex offender ticket. So you horny guys. Keep going to those places. Just saying.
saw a Tustin pig pull over someone leaving hypno Santa Ana PD right?
That shop isn't in Tustin, it is right next door, though, but still out of Tustin's jurisdiction.
Yes AMPs should just keep to their 30 minutes or 60 minutes.
Let's be honest everyone's done in 15 minutes or so. So yah. It's obvious the haters or a rival shop / ex AMP girl will ruin a busy shop. BTW looks like hypno and green shop which is literally across from shell / del taco, saw a Tustin pig pull over someone leaving hypno right before he got on the 55 freeway. No puss is worth a ticket let alone a sex offender ticket. So you horny guys. Keep going to those places. Just saying.So, a Tustin cop out of his jurisdiction saw a guy walk out of a legal business and pulled him over to give him a "sex offender" motor vehicle citation that is not even thing?
AMAZING! 🤦🏻
Another way that an MP gets closed down is when the Feds get involved.
There is the case with the Texas motocross track that was purchased and run by an MP owning group who were under the radar of the feds for money laundering. I believe this is the case where one of their MPs were in Inglewood and the investigation exposed that Inglewood PD were going into the place for free sex sometimes even in uniform. This ended up bringing down all the MPs in Inglewood and some that had been there for decades. Until the SoFi stadium opened many of those MP locations remained vacant for a decade or more. The city would rather have MPs there than nothing.
Same thing goes for human trafficking. If the feds investigation leads them to an MP that has been there for decades in an MP friendly city, it doesn't matter as there is a good chance that all the MPs in that city/town will go away due to the attention the investigation brings forcing the city to act. Local papers and community groups love these stories adding to the pressure.
The bottom line is that putting an address of an MP and reporting what happened here in a forum is:
A) the purpose of these forums and the content is what makes the owner of this site money
B) is not going to jeopardize the closure of an MP
The guys that do the code crap are just looking for a flex.2007 Feb article. Six officers involved.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-feb-10-me-inglewood10-story.html
Stunning how Inglewood has a 213 officer force in Inglewood. There's all your taxpayer money being used up by the popo.
Then later, 2 of them fired.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-jul-20-me-inglewood20-story.html
2007 Feb article. Six officers involved.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-feb-10-me-inglewood10-story.html
Stunning how Inglewood has a 213 officer force in Inglewood. There's all your taxpayer money being used up by the popo.
Then later, 2 of them fired.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-jul-20-me-inglewood20-story.htmlYeah, it is how I remembered. The origin of the downfall of MPs in Inglewood was noted in the article.
"The internal affairs investigation began more than a year ago when several Inglewood massage parlors and tanning salons were the focus of federal allegations of money laundering and prostitution. To date, 18 people have pleaded guilty in that investigation, and four others -- including the alleged owner of the brothels, Kimberly Mao -- are awaiting trial. ".
Madam Mao ended up getting 18 months in prison and forfeiting $10 M worth of property.
https://archive.nytimes.com/wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/motocross-madam-crash-lands-in-prison/
The combination of the Fed investigating Mao and the revealing of evidence the Inglewood PD were getting their dick wet for free at the MPs was what brought down some of the best MPs in LA in regards to K-Girls. It had nothing to do with "BonerBandit007" posting on a forum that Coco touched his wiener at
Oasis Spa
1234 Manchowder Blvd
Inglewood, CA.
AlCapone2006
09-08-23, 18:42
So, a Tustin cop out of his jurisdiction saw a guy walk out of a legal business and pulled him over to give him a "sex offender" motor vehicle citation that is not even thing?
AMAZING! 🤦🏻Don't know why you so mad? I assumed it's Tustin but I guess it's Santa Ana, but hey buddy take whatever info you want. It it happens to you or not. Who cares? I'm not deterring anyone from going to these 2 shops across from one another.
This place forum is to share info. Whether you believe it or not Good luck mate.
Yes AMPs should just keep to their 30 minutes or 60 minutes.
Let's be honest everyone's done in 15 minutes or so. So yah. It's obvious the haters or a rival shop / ex AMP girl will ruin a busy shop. BTW looks like hypno and green shop which is literally across from shell / del taco, saw a Tustin pig pull over someone leaving hypno right before he got on the 55 freeway. No puss is worth a ticket let alone a sex offender ticket. So you horny guys. Keep going to those places. Just saying.Probably it was Santa Ana PD. All the same, not sure what a 'sex offender ticket' would be in this situation. Assuming it was a man, police wrote some kind of moving violation, having nothing to do with the parlor.
Now, having said that much, the moving violation was likely for crossing a double yellow, or the double white lines, either way, it's a violation. Doubt the PD wrote both and only a violation for crossing the double yellow lines in the center of the street.
So, careful guys, coming / going from here. Too easy to cross the double yellow and have to pay for the citation.
I've never heard of it happening around here, but I have heard of the tactic where cops scout out guys leaving an MP, then pull them over a couple blocks away for some bullshit traffic violation. If I'm not mistaken that happened to Kraft in the Orchids of Asia thing in Florida. Most people are going to commit some kind of driving violation or another at some point, even if it's going 1 MPH over the speed limit. So they pull you over for the ticket, and then give you shit about coming out of the MP. For some guys it could be trouble with the family right there, having to explain how you got a traffic ticket in a part of town you had no business being in. So I wouldn't at all put it past cops to pull the same shit here if they saw a ripe opportunity.
YellowFinTuna
09-08-23, 23:54
I've never heard of it happening around here, but I have heard of the tactic where cops scout out guys leaving an MP, then pull them over a couple blocks away for some bullshit traffic violation. If I'm not mistaken that happened to Kraft in the Orchids of Asia thing in Florida. Most people are going to commit some kind of driving violation or another at some point, even if it's going 1 MPH over the speed limit. So they pull you over for the ticket, and then give you shit about coming out of the MP. For some guys it could be trouble with the family right there, having to explain how you got a traffic ticket in a part of town you had no business being in. So I wouldn't at all put it past cops to pull the same shit here if they saw a ripe opportunity.Sex offender motor vehicle citation. Laughable. The cops could be pissed, suspect a lot of things but there is no such thing as a sex offender ticket. How does anyone know what actually goes on in an MP? Evidence? You may get busted inside an MP with you unit in her hand or somewhere else but you could even be naked in the MP room and unless you were caught in the act. Nada. The key is. Don't talk too much and convict yourself. "You have the right to remain silent, Anything you say CAN and WILL be used against You in a court of law" - These are your rights. Thank you Adam-12!
James D 2004
09-08-23, 23:55
It happened to me in SGV at a very busy mall next to Hilton. I doubt if the cop can see me without targeting the door of the MP which has a small door front like anybody else on the 2nd floor of a 3 storey building with lots of foot traffic especially in the stairs. My crime is crossing the double yellow line on the side street. I told him I don't live there but he says it's illegal in all states. But I do that all the time in OC to get into strip malls, gas station, and everything else. No worries. I love Chinese culture and went there for some paintings, the reason I was there.
I ran a red light near a SW track in LA. The cop checked the address on the license and told me to go home. In the big parking lot at the Santana track, I was talking with my SW friend in my car. We weren't doing anything illegal so we put our guard down. A cop try to arrest us anyway. After checking me thoroughly with headquarter and sitting on the ground for a long time, he let me go.
AlCapone2006
09-08-23, 23:58
Sex offender motor vehicle citation. Laughable. The cops could be pissed, suspect a lot of things but there is no such thing as a sex offender ticket. How does anyone know what actually goes on in an MP? Evidence? You may get busted inside an MP with you unit in her hand or somewhere else but you could even be naked in the MP room and unless you were caught in the act. Nada. The key is. Don't talk too much and convict yourself. "You have the right to remain silent, Anything you say CAN and WILL be used against You in a court of law" - These are your rights. Thank you Adam-12!You are right. Remain silent. I assumed they got a ticket. I don't mean sex offender ticket. Just a ticket that relates to engaging with prostitution and you will end up a sex offender if you have to register as one. Lmao. So sorry Ok. OMG. You guys love to give shit. But hey. If you got big balls. Keep going there. Who cares. You might be lucky to be pulled over for some bs too.
AlCapone2006
09-09-23, 00:02
Sex offender motor vehicle citation. Laughable. The cops could be pissed, suspect a lot of things but there is no such thing as a sex offender ticket. How does anyone know what actually goes on in an MP? Evidence? You may get busted inside an MP with you unit in her hand or somewhere else but you could even be naked in the MP room and unless you were caught in the act. Nada. The key is. Don't talk too much and convict yourself. "You have the right to remain silent, Anything you say CAN and WILL be used against You in a court of law" - These are your rights. Thank you Adam-12!Try your luck on a Friday or Wednesday night and see if you get pulled over after 9 pm. If you don't try. You won't know LOL.
Be brave and keep acting like you are Stallone or Get Carter or Rush hour. LOL. Just gave intel. No need to bash the intel. But if you don't believe then try and try again. Like I said if they are investigating that place. Just go in late and maybe you will get pulled over too since you like to talk smack. Tough guy LOL.
One that I've seen news reports, although not very common and never heard of here.
Police send in a cop, which does the full deal, solicits and engages in prostitution. In my opinion, probably a fairly difficult task to pull off for LE. You'd have to get an officer that is single, probably non-religious. It might be desired that the interaction be recorded, which also may not be wanted. Of course, if recorded or just being broadcast to others nearby, sure could see how performance anxiety could set in as well.
My opinion, getting caught up in a bust / sting could be a big problem for many. I'd say, at the very least, ones name would be included in the LE report, and reaches a maximum of conviction, and nearly everything in between.
Conviction, doesn't seem too likely, they would need to take the word of the lady involved.
Being arrested for soliciting or engaging, suppose there is some possibility. Then, the needs to evaluate the evidence and decide if there is a case, if the the decides there is a case, then could be charged. Then, we know how the rest of this plays out.
https://sfbos.org/section-14-das-standard-charging-cases
Conversely, LE can publish ones name / photo, seems fairly freely. I'd guess, if one had the means to challenge it, probably this practice would not survive the legal test. Nonetheless, OCSD had employed this tactic, although it might not use this tactic anymore. FL Orange County Sheriffs, does post mugs of the suspects.
https://www.ocso.com/Public-Interest/Prostitution-Arrests
AlCapone2006
09-09-23, 00:22
One that I've seen news reports, although not very common and never heard of here.
Police send in a cop, which does the full deal, solicits and engages in prostitution. In my opinion, probably a fairly difficult task to pull off for LE. You'd have to get an officer that is single, probably non-religious. It might be desired that the interaction be recorded, which also may not be wanted. Of course, if recorded or just being broadcast to others nearby, sure could see how performance anxiety could set in as well.
My opinion, getting caught up in a bust / sting could be a big problem for many. I'd say, at the very least, ones name would be included in the LE report, and reaches a maximum of conviction, and nearly everything in between.
Conviction, doesn't seem too likely, they would need to take the word of the lady involved.
Being arrested for soliciting or engaging, suppose there is some possibility. Then, the needs to evaluate the evidence and decide if there is a case, if the the decides there is a case, then could be charged. Then, we know how the rest of this plays out.
https://sfbos.org/section-14-das-standard-charging-cases
Conversely, LE can publish ones name / photo, seems fairly freely. I'd guess, if one had the means to challenge it, probably this practice would not survive the legal test. Nonetheless, OCSD had employed this tactic, although it might not use this tactic anymore. FL Orange County Sheriffs, does post mugs of the suspects.
https://www.ocso.com/Public-Interest/Prostitution-ArrestsThey just busted a place off of 17th street in SA. Anna the owner mentioned she wasn't there that day. 5 pigs in police vests raided it. At least they had vests on. Compared to the Costa Mesa Pd. That makes shit up and closes places down.
I've never heard of it happening around here, but I have heard of the tactic where cops scout out guys leaving an MP, then pull them over a couple blocks away for some bullshit traffic violation. If I'm not mistaken that happened to Kraft in the Orchids of Asia thing in Florida. Most people are going to commit some kind of driving violation or another at some point, even if it's going 1 MPH over the speed limit. So they pull you over for the ticket, and then give you shit about coming out of the MP. For some guys it could be trouble with the family right there, having to explain how you got a traffic ticket in a part of town you had no business being in. So I wouldn't at all put it past cops to pull the same shit here if they saw a ripe opportunity.Kraft was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The place was under investigation for months including putting cameras in the place. Later an appeals court found the police violated the rights of the men in the tapes and it couldn't be used in court. Had nothing to do with his limo having a turn signal out and he got busted on a traffic stop for being a sexpest.
You are right. Remain silent. I assumed they got a ticket. I don't mean sex offender ticket. Just a ticket that relates to engaging with prostitution and you will end up a sex offender if you have to register as one. Lmao. So sorry Ok. OMG. You guys love to give shit. But hey. If you got big balls. Keep going there. Who cares. You might be lucky to be pulled over for some bs too.I don't think we love giving shit, just try to correct folks that have it wrong, as we know it.
Now, according to attorneys that specialize in criminal cases, getting cited for prostitution and having to register as a sex offender, isn't all that common. Suppose, if the right circumstances were there, the girl was under age, well that is not a situation that I'd want to try to get out of, even if I thought she looked 30.
As far as a bullshit stop. I have no reason to not 'believe' you, if the cops pulled the guy over before getting onto or while on the 55, he would have made a left turn from Hypno, crossing the double yellow and the double white. That driveway is pretty close to the intersection, broke the law would double lines, so in my opinion, a very valid reason to cite someone.
Going back to Sex Offender. Going back to the late 1980's, do recall seeing an article in OC Register about strip clubs in Anaheim. Obviously, 1980's is a long time ago, so just can't with clarity recall fine details. Do recall the article mentioning the possibility of the system seeking sex offender registration. IIRC, Anaheim was trying to clear out the strip clubs, which we know was a failure since Flamingo and Saraha are still both in business all these years later.
So, at one time, the threat of Sex Offender may have been real, but not today.
You are right. Remain silent. I assumed they got a ticket. I don't mean sex offender ticket. Just a ticket that relates to engaging with prostitution and you will end up a sex offender if you have to register as one. Lmao. So sorry Ok. OMG. You guys love to give shit. But hey. If you got big balls. Keep going there. Who cares. You might be lucky to be pulled over for some bs too.The MP is a legal business and walking out of it, getting in your car, and driving away provides no probably cause for a cop to charge you for "engaging with a prostitute" or anything else related to the MP. If you commit a traffic violation as you were driving away, then it is the same as if you left any other business in Santa Ana.
Now, if the place is under investigation and the cop pulls someone over who left under the guise of a traffic stop and the person is asked what took place in their and they admit to having sex, then the guy is an idiot, but not sure that it would put the guy in a position to charge. They may be able to use the admission as a pretext to try to bust an MP for providing sexual services for a fee. They'd probably have to get a court order, or other form of escalation to within the department to spend the time and funds, to send in an undercover cop with a wire or hidden camera because they need more than the cops word vs the MP worker. The worker can claim they were intimidated to do it or coerced, which a good defense attorney would be able to sell to a jury.
They just busted a place off of 17th street in SA. Anna the owner mentioned she wasn't there that day. 5 pigs in police vests raided it. At least they had vests onI'd like to read more, is this in a police report? News article? Please enlighten us.
investigation for months including putting cameras in the place. I'd like to read more, is this in a police report? News article? Please enlighten us.
They just busted a place off of 17th street in SA. Anna the owner mentioned she wasn't there that day. 5 pigs in police vests raided it. At least they had vests on. Compared to the Costa Mesa Pd. That makes shit up and closes places down.Sort of wonder about this one. According to SAPD Blotter, there were arrests related to 647 b on.
8/16.
8/17.
8/22.
8/30.
None of which could be considered off of 17th? Closer to 12th.
Not seeing any traffic stops in that area either. Do see a couple reported @ 1st and N Tustin, but nothing on 4th and N Tustin. Most recent data has 9/3/2023, so maybe the traffic stop isn't yet displayed?
I'd like to read more, is this in a police report? News article? Please enlighten us.There is a thing called Google. Have you heard about it?
AlCapone2006
09-09-23, 12:01
Sort of wonder about this one. According to SAPD Blotter, there were arrests related to 647 b on.
8/16.
8/17.
8/22.
8/30.
None of which could be considered off of 17th? Closer to 12th.
Not seeing any traffic stops in that area either. Do see a couple reported @ 1st and N Tustin, but nothing on 4th and N Tustin. Most recent data has 9/3/2023, so maybe the traffic stop isn't yet displayed?Why would they put a report. I'm sure the traffic stop turned into a solicitation ticket instead. And if you think the police are dumb enough to let the public know about investigations. Let's just see when or if it gets raided. Then come back here Or maybe they will just raid it a one day it's closed. Like all of these AMPs. They don't publish raids. They just do them. And take the girls moneys.
Dildo Baggens
09-09-23, 13:58
Please sight your sources. Sounds like hearsay. I don't think you understand how law-enforcement works. If there's an organized raid, it begins at department headquarters and has to have an over abundance of probable cause. They want convictions. Raids require scores to 100's of hour of PD department's time and resources $$. Law enforcement has to show effectiveness to justify budgets -that's how it work.
Why would they put a report. I'm sure the traffic stop turned into a solicitation ticket instead. And if you think the police are dumb enough to let the public know about investigations. Let's just see when or if it gets raided. Then come back here Or maybe they will just raid it a one day it's closed. Like all of these AMPs. They don't publish raids. They just do them. And take the girls moneys.
Baggens
Why would they put a report. I'm sure the traffic stop turned into a solicitation ticket instead. And if you think the police are dumb enough to let the public know about investigations. Let's just see when or if it gets raided. Then come back here Or maybe they will just raid it a one day it's closed. Like all of these AMPs. They don't publish raids. They just do them. And take the girls moneys.The blotter, is a record of everything the PD does. It is automated, so no way for an individual officer to avoid it. Officer makes a traffic stop, it is his duty, to report to dispatchers, what he is doing. Not only duty, it is for his safety and accountability.
There is no way a traffic stop turns into a solicitation citation, unless both parties are in the car, and make the deal right in front of the officer that made the traffic stop. Since the person pulled away from Hypno, crossed two sets of double lines, very safe to say, that is why the traffic stop was initiated.
Most likely, the officer didn't even see the person go out the front door of Hypno. The person could have come from any one of the other businesses in that center. Could have been one of the business owners themselves.
As far as LE goes, it is run like a large business. If you have never worked for a large business, maybe you wouldn't know how this stuff works. Patrol cops, while they might be the eye's and ears on the street, their job is not to investigate, that is another group of LE, that specializes in investigations and more specifically investigations of that particular crime.
When gathering evidence, if physical, there is chain of custody that must be maintained. If not physical, then likely other special procedures to maintain integrity of evidence.
LE doesn't really work like we see on TV. The patrol cop doesn't go out, find a crime, and investigate it all the way to arrest. Patrol cop, might do portions in course of patrolling, but that is it.
In Santa Ana, to be a massage technician, in accordance with Santa Ana Ordinances, the technician must have a CAMTC certificate. Safe to say, bet none of the Hypno ladies have one. So, if there were to be a 'bust' per se, it likely would be just for CAMTC certificates. Low hanging fruit, easy to do I'd think.
There is a thing called Google. Have you heard about it?Ok, I'lll be more direct, I was trying to be nice so I'm calling Bull S on your report about putting cameras in the place.
Ok, I'lll be more direct, I was trying to be nice so I'm calling Bull S on your report about putting cameras in the place.
That is exactly how it played out. Police placed camera's within the premises. Well known case, received national attention.
I had the links to the articles here is my response, but later thought, very well could be against forum policies. Rather avoid infractions.
It is very easy to google, massage judge ordered video destroyed. As large of a case this was, as much as it was mentioned in the nightly news and other press, not sure how one could have missed this?
Police got a warrant, executed the warrant under the guise of a bomb threat. Got all occupants out of the building, placed cameras and left. Continued investigation, X shows up one day and due to his being a public figure of sorts, this case became national news.
If he never showed up, it is doubtful this would have been anything more than a small bit piece in the local news, making it impossible to find.
Ok, I'lll be more direct, I was trying to be nice so I'm calling Bull S on your report about putting cameras in the place.Took less than 30 seconds to find one of many news articles for confirmation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/robert-kraft-case-shows-how-police-use-hidden-cameras-to-get-evidence.html
Took less than 30 seconds to find one of many news articles for confirmation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/robert-kraft-case-shows-how-police-use-hidden-cameras-to-get-evidence.htmlThanks, I was fixated on the point of the thread & crossing double yellow line & getting pulled over, I didn't keep up with the reference to Kraft.
Eating crow.
YellowFinTuna
09-10-23, 03:05
Try your luck on a Friday or Wednesday night and see if you get pulled over after 9 pm. If you don't try. You won't know LOL.
Be brave and keep acting like you are Stallone or Get Carter or Rush hour. LOL. Just gave intel. No need to bash the intel. But if you don't believe then try and try again. Like I said if they are investigating that place. Just go in late and maybe you will get pulled over too since you like to talk smack. Tough guy LOL.Not trying to be tough at all Al Capone, just trying to calm down the paranoia. Vehicle citations generally don't lead to sex offender arrests if you don't mention anything if you get pulled over. Be extra careful when leaving an MP and if you do get pulled over, don't speak unless spoken to and don't offer any extra information. If they confront you on the MP visit (probably unlikely), just say it was a massage. That's it, completely legal.
Alowicious
09-10-23, 09:06
Anyone else getting to the point of not even bothering with the Massage section any more? Only about one of every eight posts is actually about MPs, and even fewer are helpful info. The whole thread has devolved into a Rants & Stupid Shit 2 section, thanks to a complete ghosting of admin, or at least a complete ghosting of their thread enforcement actions.
At least this section can stay focused. On stuff other than pocket pussies.
Anyone else getting to the point of not even bothering with the Massage section any more? Only about one of every eight posts is actually about MPs, and even fewer are helpful info. The whole thread has devolved into a Rants & Stupid Shit 2 section, thanks to a complete ghosting of admin, or at least a complete ghosting of their thread enforcement actions.
At least this section can stay focused. On stuff other than pocket pussies.There are some low information people of note in both sections whose posts scar the whole thread.
Lift Her Up
09-10-23, 14:16
There are some low information people of note in both sections whose posts scar the whole thread.Yeah, a few of the posts in the MP thread would have been better off here. Still, I don't want Admin to feel unappreciated. It takes a huge amount of works to get a site like this going, get members onto it, and keep discussions civil. When I joined 15 years ago USASG was very well established even then. As with most anonymous sites, there are a few guys so churned up inside, flailing anger, that they would just verbally stun-gun the rest of us into numbness, were it not for the moderation we do get.
Without USASG and the information I get here from you guys, I would be a lot worse off. And I would not have found the girl I've seen exclusively for 13 months now. Thanks. Peace.
Lift Her Up.
Anyone else getting to the point of not even bothering with the Massage section any more? Only about one of every eight posts is actually about MPs, and even fewer are helpful info. The whole thread has devolved into a Rants & Stupid Shit 2 section, thanks to a complete ghosting of admin, or at least a complete ghosting of their thread enforcement actions.
At least this section can stay focused. On stuff other than pocket pussies.I wouldn't say admin2 has ghosted the Massage thread. Admin2, I suspect is the only admin. Guy / Gal deserves a break from all this, not to mention there are 50 states, most of which have more than one thread within the State thread.
An impossible task, to monitor that many threads without allowing some off topic items thru. In addition to that, not sure that any of us want admin2 micromanaging the thread either.
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In the US there are laws knows as the rules of evidence. Among other things those laws say that an accused person has the right to confront his accuser and the witnesses against them. This forum is anonymous. Even I don't know who you are CampGuy, I mean I know you're a fucking liar, but I don't know who you are. In order for the police to use content from this site as evidence for an investigation then they have to authenticate it, by authenticating it they have to know who posted it. To do that they contact the site owners or administrators. They used to contact us from time to time and ask and we always answered the same "we don't know, we collect no personal info" so they don't even ask us anymore.
Here's the big thing though, cops know before you do which places are offering sex for money. They know because when some site or spa gets a license to do business the clerk who takes the application calls up whichever cop she's fucking that week and tells him. Then they send a car over to wherever that place is and see if hookerish types go to work, if they do they tell their bosses and whenever the bosses need something they tell them to bust it to make the PD look good. What you write here does nothing in that process.
We know that for two reasons:
1. After 20 years and SIX fucking million posts not a single one has ever, not one fucking time, been used as evidence
and
2. If the cops could use this site for evidence they wouldn't wait for you knuckleheads to post they would just go to a public library, register a fucking user and post whatever the fuck they wanted they wouldn't wait for you guys to do it.
Every once in a while some DB like you trying to sound important posts this shit but if it was true there would be THOUSANDS of cases like it.
You're lying, do it again in a way that undermines people's confidence in the forum and you will be gone.
Yeah, this shit is written in blue, you better pay attention.
A2Especially like #2. So true, if any of the sites could be used, well LE would just do their own handywork. Waiting is just wasting time.
The TOS is pretty clear, don't post complete address or phone numbers. It it's 2935 North street and they have a big fucking sign that says "ABC Massage" in front you can post It's in the 2900 block of N Street and you're good.
Most of these places have an ad with contact info, post the link to the ad.
A2Posting this as a reminder. Seeing a number of full addresses in the Massage thread. This is what admin2 wrote in another thread. Not thinking, the OC Massage thread follows a different TOS.
AlCapone2006
09-15-23, 01:18
Not trying to be tough at all Al Capone, just trying to calm down the paranoia. Vehicle citations generally don't lead to sex offender arrests if you don't mention anything if you get pulled over. Be extra careful when leaving an MP and if you do get pulled over, don't speak unless spoken to and don't offer any extra information. If they confront you on the MP visit (probably unlikely), just say it was a massage. That's it, completely legal.Recent busts.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/women-pimped-out-their-massage-parlor-employees-prosecutors-say/amp/
Lift Her Up
09-15-23, 13:27
Regarding Grimmy's report just now in the MP thread, reading in part "They are taking the girls out somewhere for a rare day off," well, three cheers. What a good example for other business owners. I had an employer many many years ago, small business, who would occasionally do something like that for all of us.
Lift Her Up.
Hey everyone, I got the rumors that Kevin from SoCalCircus got arrested. Anyone knows anything?
VoodooChile
09-23-23, 13:02
Curious if I can or should post this?
So apparently a member here has been harassing a particular spa and some of the girls that work here because the spa owner banned him and notified other spas in the area of what he did so they have banned him too. She asked me if I was a member here. When I told her yes she asked if I would post a letter from her to the rest of us explaining what he is doing. Fake reviews, fake accounts, fake posts, etc. Even leaving fake yelp reviews. I told her I would check here first.
Curious if I can or should post this?
So apparently a member here has been harassing a particular spa and some of the girls that work here because the spa owner banned him and notified other spas in the area of what he did so they have banned him too. She asked me if I was a member here. When I told her yes she asked if I would post a letter from her to the rest of us explaining what he is doing. Fake reviews, fake accounts, fake posts, etc. Even leaving fake yelp reviews. I told her I would check here first.I'm not seeing a reason you couldn't post for her, at least this kind of post.
I'm guessing, her spa isn't FS, and he's posting reviews with FS? Am a little curious how she would know / suspect him, or better yet, how she would share his details with other spas, unless something about him is fairly unique.
VoodooChile
09-23-23, 18:33
I'm not seeing a reason you couldn't post for her, at least this kind of post.
I'm guessing, her spa isn't FS, and he's posting reviews with FS? Am a little curious how she would know / suspect him, or better yet, how she would share his details with other spas, unless something about him is fairly unique.He has been a regular with many of the girls in the nuru scene, as well as a regular with the spa owner I am referring to for years. He had an incident with one of the girls that got him banned. Now he is spreading absolute lie after lie on every board, review site, like I said even yelp. It's not hard at all to spot his fake accounts once you know the details of the situation. And anyone here that calls him out on it either gets banned from the site or accused of being her. I've been watching it and have since become pretty good friends with this spa owner and it is a bit ridiculous. A 60 year old man behaving like he's in jr high school. It's embarrassing actually. She just wants to let all of the other clients understand why her screening has changed and clear the air on what he is doing and why he is doing it. She's actually kind of thankful he's been such a tool, it has improved her shop and her processes dramatically. LOL.
After she told me what she told me, I went back and started reading his posts, reviews, etc. It's so blatantly obvious what's real and what's fake. Even the fake accounts he creates to post reviews stand out like a sore thumb. I dislike drama as much as the rest of you but it's tough to watch someone's good name and reputation being dragged through the mud with lie after lie by a scorned keyboard warrior. I will talk to her again and think about posting her letter. I just don't want to have an admin upset with me is all.
Mr Plumber
09-23-23, 19:03
Curious if I can or should post this?
So apparently a member here has been harassing a particular spa and some of the girls that work here because the spa owner banned him and notified other spas in the area of what he did so they have banned him too. She asked me if I was a member here. When I told her yes she asked if I would post a letter from her to the rest of us explaining what he is doing. Fake reviews, fake accounts, fake posts, etc. Even leaving fake yelp reviews. I told her I would check here first.Massage shop owners know and monitor what's said here and other review sites. Further, most own more than one shop, some multiple dozens of them. A ban at one shop could easily be applied to several others. Perhaps he was foolish enough to out himself. I'll leave the punditry on whether to post the letter or not to other members. The question I would ask myself is, "What value is there in posting the letter here?" It may out the guy and affect business at the affected shops. Might lead the guy to change monikers, if he hasn't changed it many times already.
In the end a dick will be a dick no matter whether the anonymity of this board protects him or not.
I'm not seeing a reason you couldn't post for her, at least this kind of post.
I'm guessing, her spa isn't FS, and he's posting reviews with FS? Am a little curious how she would know / suspect him, or better yet, how she would share his details with other spas, unless something about him is fairly unique.Most MP's have cameras in the public areas, so they likely took a screen shot of him and shared his image with other locations. Many MP's own multiple locations are are friendly with each other, so it is not too surprising that they are able to share this information. The girls talk to each other and are in several group texts to share availability and information, so it is not super surprising if he is a terrible client, and they want to inform other locations to prevent them from having similar issues or run-ins with him. They generally try to protect their own as best they can to keep their workers safe.
Massage shop owners know and monitor what's said here and other review sites. Further, most own more than one shop, some multiple dozens of them. A ban at one shop could easily be applied to several others. Perhaps he was foolish enough to out himself. I'll leave the punditry on whether to post the letter or not to other members. The question I would ask myself is, "What value is there in posting the letter here?" It may out the guy and affect business at the affected shops. Might lead the guy to change monikers, if he hasn't changed it many times already.
In the end a dick will be a dick no matter whether the anonymity of this board protects him or not.If he is such a bad client that a shop is asking someone to post a letter for them about it, he most likely is doing the things that he is doing since he gets off on the power trip. He also may be doing what he is doing because he feels like he can get away with it. I would let the at op decide based on the information provided, since if the guy in question is posting fake information to get back at a girl or a shop, and continual does it, that's a pretty douche thing to do. It also doesn't help the other members, since other members may start visiting that establishment with expectations, and get upset with the girls when the girls do not offer what he claims they offer.
VoodooChile
09-23-23, 19:31
Massage shop owners know and monitor what's said here and other review sites. Further, most own more than one shop, some multiple dozens of them. A ban at one shop could easily be applied to several others. Perhaps he was foolish enough to out himself. I'll leave the punditry on whether to post the letter or not to other members. The question I would ask myself is, "What value is there in posting the letter here?" It may out the guy and affect business at the affected shops. Might lead the guy to change monikers, if he hasn't changed it many times already.
In the end a dick will be a dick no matter whether the anonymity of this board protects him or not.She doesn't care about "outting" him really. She just wants other clients to have realistic expectations of her shop rather than the fantasies and BS he has been posting. I'm pretty sure that anyone that has been reading the other threads already knows who we are referring to. She's not going to stoop to his childish behavior, just wants to let the truth be known and let us decide what we want.
VoodooChile
09-23-23, 19:33
Massage shop owners know and monitor what's said here and other review sites. Further, most own more than one shop, some multiple dozens of them. A ban at one shop could easily be applied to several others. Perhaps he was foolish enough to out himself. I'll leave the punditry on whether to post the letter or not to other members. The question I would ask myself is, "What value is there in posting the letter here?" It may out the guy and affect business at the affected shops. Might lead the guy to change monikers, if he hasn't changed it many times already.
In the end a dick will be a dick no matter whether the anonymity of this board protects him or not.It's honestly bothering me and some of her other regulars more than it is her. He is literally trying to send LE there constantly with his fake posts. One of his posts that I read talked about 3 FS providers that he sees there regularly, yet none of the 3 even work there. He is more dangerous to us than he is to her.
James D 2004
09-23-23, 20:59
Curious if I can or should post this?
So apparently a member here has been harassing a particular spa and some of the girls that work here because the spa owner banned him and notified other spas in the area of what he did so they have banned him too. She asked me if I was a member here. When I told her yes she asked if I would post a letter from her to the rest of us explaining what he is doing. Fake reviews, fake accounts, fake posts, etc. Even leaving fake yelp reviews. I told her I would check here first.Yes please. Popcorns.
VoodooChile
10-08-23, 14:30
Yes please. Popcorns.LOL, I tried but the post got rejected. I think if you have been following other threads at all, it's pretty obvious who is bitter. Just wish I could explain why he was banned. Oh well.
Testing testing 123.We heard ya!
If you posted and it didn't show up, that is because all new members are moderated by the admins until you have posted a certain number of posts.
As a longtime monger who has frequented hundreds of AMPs, it still surprises me when I see another dude leaving, entering or inside waiting who will not make eye contact when I pass him. The standard reaction I see is to either look away or look down, avoiding eye contact at all costs.
We're all there paying for a good time, so why is so hard to exchange knowing smiles at the very least. Hey, I'm not trying to make friends, just being friendly. If a dude is entering a place as I'm leaving, I might say "Have a blast" or a simple "Enjoy", but more often than not, there is no acknowledgment. It's no big deal to me; more of curiosity.
So who of you feel similarly, and who might like to share your thoughts on why you want no eye contact or brief greetings with fellow customers?
As a longtime monger who has frequented hundreds of AMPs, it still surprises me when I see another dude leaving, entering or inside waiting who will not make eye contact when I pass him. The standard reaction I see is to either look away or look down, avoiding eye contact at all costs.
We're all there paying for a good time, so why is so hard to exchange knowing smiles at the very least. Hey, I'm not trying to make friends, just being friendly. If a dude is entering a place as I'm leaving, I might say "Have a blast" or a simple "Enjoy", but more often than not, there is no acknowledgment. It's no big deal to me; more of curiosity.
So who of you feel similarly, and who might like to share your thoughts on why you want no eye contact or brief greetings with fellow customers?For me its just guilt, LOL, years ago I was in the waiting room with a kids friend's dad, at the next soccer game he just kept asking me for details.
As a longtime monger who has frequented hundreds of AMPs, it still surprises me when I see another dude leaving, entering or inside waiting who will not make eye contact when I pass him. The standard reaction I see is to either look away or look down, avoiding eye contact at all costs.
We're all there paying for a good time, so why is so hard to exchange knowing smiles at the very least. Hey, I'm not trying to make friends, just being friendly. If a dude is entering a place as I'm leaving, I might say "Have a blast" or a simple "Enjoy", but more often than not, there is no acknowledgment. It's no big deal to me; more of curiosity.
So who of you feel similarly, and who might like to share your thoughts on why you want no eye contact or brief greetings with fellow customers?Suppose, walk of shame, LOL. I rarely see any mongers coming / going, so can't really share in that experience. I would probably say something similar, enjoy, good luck, etc.
As a longtime monger who has frequented hundreds of AMPs, it still surprises me when I see another dude leaving, entering or inside waiting who will not make eye contact when I pass him. The standard reaction I see is to either look away or look down, avoiding eye contact at all costs.
We're all there paying for a good time, so why is so hard to exchange knowing smiles at the very least. Hey, I'm not trying to make friends, just being friendly. If a dude is entering a place as I'm leaving, I might say "Have a blast" or a simple "Enjoy", but more often than not, there is no acknowledgment. It's no big deal to me; more of curiosity.
So who of you feel similarly, and who might like to share your thoughts on why you want no eye contact or brief greetings with fellow customers?Yep, I feel the same, we all know what we are going there for. No need to be embarrassed. I normally give the guy a high five as he leaves.
AlexRodriguez
10-10-23, 19:02
Suppose, walk of shame, LOL. I rarely see any mongers coming / going, so can't really share in that experience. I would probably say something similar, enjoy, good luck, etc.Rarely is it ever reciprocated, however.
For me its just guilt, LOL, years ago I was in the waiting room with a kids friend's dad, at the next soccer game he just kept asking me for details.To further that comment, if either person was a coach on the team, or any other youth volunteer, AB506 comes into play. Background check, fingerprinting etc.
Those that have work security clearances.
Those that might feel they are more in the public eye and if they were seen visiting a place, it wold be harmful to their profession.
Easier to deny and say hey, it wasn't me if it ever comes up, rather than hey, I saw you at XXXX, who did you get & who would you recommend?
Might be good in some circles, not so much in others.
Heartless Jay
10-10-23, 23:37
As a longtime monger who has frequented hundreds of AMPs, it still surprises me when I see another dude leaving, entering or inside waiting who will not make eye contact when I pass him. The standard reaction I see is to either look away or look down, avoiding eye contact at all costs.
We're all there paying for a good time, so why is so hard to exchange knowing smiles at the very least. Hey, I'm not trying to make friends, just being friendly. If a dude is entering a place as I'm leaving, I might say "Have a blast" or a simple "Enjoy", but more often than not, there is no acknowledgment. It's no big deal to me; more of curiosity.
So who of you feel similarly, and who might like to share your thoughts on why you want no eye contact or brief greetings with fellow customers?Reminds me of an experience walking through a touristy area in Thailand with a hot young thai girl on my arm on the way back to my room to fuck, and some hag of a white girl giving me dirty looks. I just met her stare and smiled, thinking to myself and wanting her to read my mind. Yep I'm going to fuck this little hottie, and I wouldn't fuck your sloppy white pussy if your husband paid me to do it. After that I started looking for eye contact, just to let them know there was no shame in my heart. Bring it.
Mr Plumber
10-11-23, 10:24
As a longtime monger who has frequented hundreds of AMPs, it still surprises me when I see another dude leaving, entering or inside waiting who will not make eye contact when I pass him. The standard reaction I see is to either look away or look down, avoiding eye contact at all costs.
We're all there paying for a good time, so why is so hard to exchange knowing smiles at the very least. Hey, I'm not trying to make friends, just being friendly. If a dude is entering a place as I'm leaving, I might say "Have a blast" or a simple "Enjoy", but more often than not, there is no acknowledgment. It's no big deal to me; more of curiosity.
So who of you feel similarly, and who might like to share your thoughts on why you want no eye contact or brief greetings with fellow customers?A well run shop will manage foot traffic sufficiently to ensure two "strangers in the night" don't pass in the hallway or front door. The Korean shops were superb at this. Now my mantra is, "Don't get your meat where you get your bread. " Meaning play in someone else's back yard, not your own.
If I was sure I was passing another guy, I'd have a mini panic attack trying my best not to show it. This is definitely my dirty little secret. I want no acknowledgement from anyone while moving around.
CarGuyF599
10-12-23, 14:05
Personally, I don't want to see anybody. Even though I only do this on the road.
Idk about the rest of you, but I'm not exactly proud of doing this and there is some shame as a side effect. Seeing another dude, even though we're both there for the same thing, is not what I want. A good agency knows this and will take pains to avoid us seeing eacch other. Whether it's sticking us in a room to wait, or I've even had Mamasan come and hold up a large towel in front of me as another dude was leaving. I for one do not want to see the dude that just CIM, CIP, etc of the lady I'm about to spend time with.
VoodooChile
10-12-23, 14:21
Doesn't bother me a bit. I am in the final stages of a 30 year marriage, we just grew in different directions and I do not have the time to "date" again. I love the hobby and have no problems admitting it.
James D 2004
10-12-23, 17:42
Ah, behold the "yuk factor" – that curious sensation that creeps up in the world of dining. In a restaurant, your focus rarely dwells on what others are devouring, even if it's the very same dish. But here, in this culinary hobby, you're not only partaking in the same meal but also sharing the same plate!
When it comes to escorts, it's an intriguing realm where they've become accustomed to the striking diversity of their clients. To them, it's all about the exchange of currency. While some adapt effortlessly to this myriad of appearances, for others, it's a constant, unrelenting hustle. Now, don't get me wrong, but I'm not particularly keen on inspecting how we all appear. One girl resorts to walking the streets. If she doesn't want to be with that person and be locked in the same room, she just rips him off.
DanCramerOc
10-14-23, 01:25
I would love to hear it. Even better I would love to post (actually I might) the messages I got from AsianPussy telling me to delete a post I made that was too real, and if I did not do as she said I would be sorry. Her direct quote, "she does not want anyone to know she does that", and like I said to her. I don't care what you want, I am her to share my experiences so the community can benefit from it. After which she said "I am having you banned from every spa in orange county, I will soon run this town". LOL, I told her to do what she does best, actually I can't think of a single thing she does best!
What I really like about her message was how AsianPussy said "we own RM, we own many forum sites and we will get you banned from all of them". Probably true, since RM has removed ROM a few times already, clearly somebody is protecting that sex shop.
It is clear Voodoo you are working for the shop as you want to post messages for them. I personally feel any person affiliated with a shop with agendas should not be on this site.
LOL, I tried but the post got rejected. I think if you have been following other threads at all, it's pretty obvious who is bitter. Just wish I could explain why he was banned. Oh well.
James D 2004
10-28-23, 18:43
You are absolutely not going to hear my comment on her looks. Not on her age either. I think it is my talent to get hard no matter what. But this ability is all too common after all. Indeed we don't need HX at all.
I brought my bottle of 100-proof disinfectant and asked her to try it. She drank most of the bottle, went to the bathroom with it, and pour on her pussy. She told me to bring the bottle again instead of cleaning it up every time.
She is full of personality. Indeed if I were looking for a wife, she would fit. Whatever I asked her, she did it.
But my criteria for a service of 10 is much easier. If she doesn't dampen down my thrust in any position, she is 10 qualified. If she lets me kiss or lick anywhere from the neck down, she is 10 qualified. If she claims DFK but doesn't do it, marks will be deducted. So she got 10 on service.
Repeat? Does it make any difference? Saigon, Bejing, Manila. Just find a site with a k in it and PSE. The older the better. More experience and more desperate. I don't think you can justify the middleman. You are in the wrong place if you are using HX.
DarkRoomDaddy
10-30-23, 16:06
A well run shop will manage foot traffic sufficiently to ensure two "strangers in the night" don't pass in the hallway or front door. The Korean shops were superb at this. Now my mantra is, "Don't get your meat where you get your bread. " Meaning play in someone else's back yard, not your own.Unfortunately, there is only one bathroom. And its a good idea to drain the train before the sessions so you don't have to run down the aisle with a sheet around you. And after the deed, its time for clean up, and some good light to count out your tip, lest you give her 3 $100's rather than 3 $20's. So that's where you see your opposite numbers. But its also a chance to see some of the other girls as you pass, and collect a name for the next visit.
DarkRoomDaddy
10-30-23, 16:20
Going back to the late 1980's, do recall seeing an article in OC Register about strip clubs in Anaheim. Obviously, 1980's is a long time ago, so just can't with clarity recall fine details. Do recall the article mentioning the possibility of the system seeking sex offender registration. IIRC, Anaheim was trying to clear out the strip clubs, which we know was a failure since Flamingo and Saraha are still both in business all these years later. So, at one time, the threat of Sex Offender may have been real, but not today.There used to be a lot of HE places near Fountain Valley and HB but they all got cleared out one by one by LE. Costa Mesa is not very HE friendly either. Westminster used to have a bunch of Vietnamese coffee shops that were essentially like topless bars. Maybe not topless but girls in bikinis and high heels serving your coffee. I saw a few on Brookhurst and even in the same plaza as SH. They seem to be all gone now.
James D 2004
10-30-23, 18:57
There used to be a lot of HE places near Fountain Valley and HB but they all got cleared out one by one by LE. Costa Mesa is not very HE friendly either. Westminster used to have a bunch of Vietnamese coffee shops that were essentially like topless bars. Maybe not topless but girls in bikinis and high heels serving your coffee. I saw a few on Brookhurst and even in the same plaza as SH. They seem to be all gone now.They are alive and well. Historically, the rent drove them away to Santa Ana. And if they can afford it, they will behave like Irvine.
They are alive and well. Historically, the rent drove them away to Santa Ana. And if they can afford it, they will behave like Irvine.Costa Mesa isn't massage friendly either, even for legit massage. There are plenty of legit massage places in CM including national chains. I'm friends with the owner of one of them and talk with owners of others on a regular basis, and they'll all tell you that the city is a gigantic pain in the ass. They harass even the legit places and have a bunch of ludicrous city ordinances in place that the code inspectors try to crack down on all the time. It's all stuff that if you followed the rules to the letter it's literally impossible to run even a legit shop. If you own a franchise of a major local chain you have some ability to flip them the bird to a certain extent, and that's what my friend does. They continue to harass them constantly though.
James D 2004
10-31-23, 15:20
Costa Mesa isn't massage friendly either, even for legit massage. There are plenty of legit massage places in CM including national chains. I'm friends with the owner of one of them and talk with owners of others on a regular basis, and they'll all tell you that the city is a gigantic pain in the ass. They harass even the legit places and have a bunch of ludicrous city ordinances in place that the code inspectors try to crack down on all the time. It's all stuff that if you followed the rules to the letter it's literally impossible to run even a legit shop. If you own a franchise of a major local chain you have some ability to flip them the bird to a certain extent, and that's what my friend does. They continue to harass them constantly though.I was referring to Vietnamese coffee shops in Westminster. Many years ago the house prices in the city center beat many OC areas in the burbs. The rent and regulations in Santa Ana are much more attractive. As in any Asian heavy city, there are always opposing forces for revenue / freedom vs image. Santa Ana has 75 MP's. Costa Mesa has 33. Irvine has 10, probably mostly legit.
Poor girl as hot rock bottom! Wouldn't even see me for a date then begs for food. She deleted her most recent Hx again. Told her I messaged the wrong number so she wouldn't message me later begging for food. Anyone been able to see her? I hope she's ok! I want to fuck that tight pussy again soon but not in her state.Maybe she didn't want any pussy?
Poor girl as hot rock bottom! Wouldn't even see me for a date then begs for food. She deleted her most recent Hx again. Told her I messaged the wrong number so she wouldn't message me later begging for food. Anyone been able to see her? I hope she's ok! I want to fuck that tight pussy again soon but not in her state.Doesn't sound like she's begging only asking for Uber eats. Now you really burned your bridge.
Doesn't sound like she's begging only asking for Uber eats. Now you really burned your bridge.Yeah and all those homeless people on the street aren't begging when they ask me for a few bucks or food.
Yeah and all those homeless people on the street aren't begging when they ask me for a few bucks or food.It depends on how they asked you. As for Kiti she just simply asked for Uber eats. LOL. Nothing wrong with that. Seems like he was begging but got denied and butt hurt.
It depends on how they asked you. As for Kiti she just simply asked for Uber eats. LOL. Nothing wrong with that. Seems like he was begging but got denied and butt hurt.Definition of begging from Oxford languages:
Ask (someone) earnestly or humbly for something.
Ask for something, typically food or money, as charity or a gift.
He used the word appropriately.
You guys are inept.
I'll also point out that he's not her friend. He's a monger. They probably don't even know each other's real names. They're pretty much strangers to each other. That's why homeless people who ask strangers for food or money are called 'beggars'. It’s not because they are homeless. It’s because they are asking for food or money. I'm not inventing the wheel here. Its standard english.
He on the other hand was not begging. He wasnt asking for charity. He was asking if she was working. When you pay for something, thats not charity.
Definition of begging from Oxford languages:
Ask (someone) earnestly or humbly for something.
Ask for something, typically food or money, as charity or a gift.
He used the word appropriately.
You guys are inept.
I'll also point out that he's not her friend. He's a monger. They probably don't even know each other's real names. They're pretty much strangers to each other. That's why homeless people who ask strangers for food or money are called 'beggars'. Its not because they are homeless. Its because they are asking for food or money. I'm not inventing the wheel here. Its standard english.
He on the other hand was not begging. He wasnt asking for charity. He was asking if she was working. When you pay for something, thats not charity.The way most people interpret begging is constantly asking, not letting up. I know you wanted to look super smart and intelligent by posting long useless post. Inept. This dude right here. Are you sure they don't know each other? So if somebody wasn't homeless and they asked for food, what would they be called? He used the word appropriately? The way it looked in the text, it didn't seem like it. I didn't say he was begging. He SEEMED like was the one begging. You basically made zero sense. Standard English bruh.
The way most people interpret begging is constantly asking, not letting up. I know you wanted to look super smart and intelligent by posting long useless post. Inept. This dude right here. Are you sure they don't know each other? So if somebody wasn't homeless and they asked for food, what would they be called? He used the word appropriately? The way it looked in the text, it didn't seem like it. I didn't say he was begging. He SEEMED like was the one begging. You basically made zero sense. Standard English bruh.The way most people interpret begging is by its definition in the dictionary, hence why it's the definition in the dictionary LOL. There may be some variation between different dictionaries but it's rare when there's a substantial difference otherwise nobody could be certain of what anybody else means when they speak outside of your circle if friends, family, and neighbors. We would all have to walk around with dictionaries and constantly cross reference them for understanding which would be terribly inefficient. When it comes to the word begging, a simple google search shows top 10 results all validate that guys usage of the word. Oxford languages, Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com, Collins dictionary, oxford learner dictionaries, vocabulary.com, Wikipedia, Britannica
They all pretty much say it's when you ask for charity, usually food or money. Doesn't require you to constantly be asking as you claim.
By definition, if a non homeless person is asking for food or money, they are begging. The definition does not depend on whether they are housed or not, otherwise it would say something along the lines of "a homeless person who asks for food or money". Some definitions will point out that the word is usually associated with homeless people because they beg on a repetitive frequency and are a prime example for understanding the word. But asking for food and money at a single instance is still termed begging. It's not me you're mad at, it's just about the rest of the world and their interpretation of the word begging which differs starkly from yours, by definition.
So Kiti was a beggar, by definition.
I'm not trying to be smart, your laziness and ineptitude in comparison is just making me come off as smart.
You kind of sound like you just graduated high school. Real people with lives that depend on applying logic and vocabulary in a correct manner use evidence to support their points. You seem to have a habit of not doing that, and so when you enter in these kinds of discussions everyone around you just comes off as smarter when they simply check your logic which in my case was just a 2 second google search to pull up the dictionary LOL. Now I'm not saying you're a college drop out but you sure sound like one. Or maybe you're just a foreigner and in that case I forgive you as it's not easy to learn a second language.
I'm pretty certain they don't know each other, otherwise he wouldn't be asking a forum if other strangers if she was ok. He'd just call her up and check on her himself. You know, like how actual friends do.
I also didn't say you said he was begging, I just clarified that by definition he wasn't begging, so from understanding the definition of the word anyone can see that he clearly doesn't seem like he's begging.
Saw this and immediately thought of the crew. That's the sign I need to stop LOL.
Lift Her Up
12-24-23, 16:48
This is for the owners of Hypno (Believe, Shell Station) or anyone in contact with them. Here are a couple of vacancies that might work for a new location for them, better than that place by the 22 that was mostly surrounded by a church.
In Santa Ana north of 17th and a block east of Tustin is the north-sound street Ponderosa. A little up from 17th on the east side there's an L-shaped strip mall. There's a legit MP in there. MMS used to run two non-adacent MP's in there but closed one down I guess due to no need for it. That slot is now vacant, as well as the shop next door. The mall has a bar, tattoo shop, and nail salon among others. Low volume foot traffic.
And then just south of there facing Ponderosa across from Chick fil A is an empty shop. Around 2008 or so when I started following this board there had been an MP in there, well reviewed; I remember a comment that "the girls from Ponderosa" had moved up to a yellow house on Lincoln, which closed down shortly thereafter. Then another MP moved into the Ponderosa placeI never saw it reviewed here so I guess it was legit. Anyhow that slot is vacant now too.
Lift Her Up.
DarkRoomDaddy
12-25-23, 13:28
The way most people interpret begging is by its definition in the dictionary, hence why it's the definition in the dictionary LOL. There may be some variation between different dictionaries but it's rare when there's a substantial difference otherwise nobody could be certain of what anybody else means when they speak outside of your circle if friends, family, and neighbors. We would all have to walk around with dictionaries and constantly cross reference them for understanding which would be terribly inefficient. When it comes to the word begging, a simple google search shows top 10 results all validate that guys usage of the word. Oxford languages, Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com, Collins dictionary, oxford learner dictionaries, vocabulary.com, Wikipedia, Britannica
They all pretty much say it's when you ask for charity, usually food or money. Doesn't require you to constantly be asking as you claim.
By definition, if a non homeless person is asking for food or money, they are begging. The definition does not depend on whether they are housed or not, otherwise it would say something along the lines of "a homeless person who asks for food or money". Some definitions will point out that the word is usually associated with homeless people because they beg on a repetitive frequency and are a prime example for understanding the word. But asking for food and money at a single instance is still termed begging. It's not me you're mad at, it's just about the rest of the world and their interpretation of the word begging which differs starkly from yours, by definition.I am begging you guys to give it a rest.
I been texting her a few weeks. I called her numbers and the one I usually use is disconnected lmao! This girl is falling hard! Can't even pay her phone bills to keep her phone on.
I been texting her a few weeks. I called her numbers and the one I usually use is disconnected lmao! This girl is falling hard! Can't even pay her phone bills to keep her phone on.She blocked you dude! I just was texting her and made plans with her!
I been texting her a few weeks. I called her numbers and the one I usually use is disconnected lmao! This girl is falling hard! Can't even pay her phone bills to keep her phone on.She said she don't want anymore pussy from you.
AlCapone2006
01-14-24, 00:44
She said she don't want anymore pussy from you.LOL right!! She changed her number. These dumb dick mongers think they give out their numbers and you are special and only cock they suck. Wrong!
They feeding their kids diapers. College intuition. Husband. Or homes in China. You ding ding.
AlCapone2006
01-14-24, 00:46
This is for the owners of Hypno (Believe, Shell Station) or anyone in contact with them. Here are a couple of vacancies that might work for a new location for them, better than that place by the 22 that was mostly surrounded by a church.
In Santa Ana north of 17th and a block east of Tustin is the north-sound street Ponderosa. A little up from 17th on the east side there's an L-shaped strip mall. There's a legit MP in there. MMS used to run two non-adacent MP's in there but closed one down I guess due to no need for it. That slot is now vacant, as well as the shop next door. The mall has a bar, tattoo shop, and nail salon among others. Low volume foot traffic.
And then just south of there facing Ponderosa across from Chick fil A is an empty shop. Around 2008 or so when I started following this board there had been an MP in there, well reviewed; I remember a comment that "the girls from Ponderosa" had moved up to a yellow house on Lincoln, which closed down shortly thereafter. Then another MP moved into the Ponderosa placeI never saw it reviewed here so I guess it was legit. Anyhow that slot is vacant now too.
Lift Her Up.Since you supposedly got so many numbers and know all the mamas and papasans. Go recruit and open one your self. Smarty pants!!
AlCapone2006
01-14-24, 00:54
Asian MILF w 12 year old meets a monger at 440.
Then dates. Then she stalks him because they met only 2 times outside of the AMP.
Then she moves in w her 12 yr old. And washes his clothes and sex. Expects $4 k a month. Then she complains. That she makes over 10 k and she only w you because she fell in love with you. Covid hits. She just opened up her own AMP in Westminster. Place gets shut down because of strict covid draconian laws in so cal. Tells you to pay for her $5 k mortgage and expects you to pay for everything including the property tax that's $11 k a year. Then screams at you for talking and texting your. Girl friends. Girls that are friends. Then. Accused you or sleeping with one of your Lesbo friend. That is married. And then screams daily what a bastard you are. And complains daily to her other AMP friends. How you stole all her $$ Mind you that I'm still with her and takes all the blame. Even they are false and paranoid stories. So ya. What would you do? A. Never fall in line with a girl. B. Never fall in love with a stripper. C. you pay no matter what!! A. Hooker. Stripper. AMP girl. Concubine. At least a hooker. You get to go home an have some peace.
Heartless Jay
01-14-24, 01:37
Asian MILF w 12 year old meets a monger at 440.
Then dates. Then she stalks him because they met only 2 times outside of the AMP.
Then she moves in w her 12 yr old. And washes his clothes and sex. Expects $4 k a month. Then she complains. That she makes over 10 k and she only w you because she fell in love with you. Covid hits. She just opened up her own AMP in Westminster. Place gets shut down because of strict covid draconian laws in so cal. Tells you to pay for her $5 k mortgage and expects you to pay for everything including the property tax that's $11 k a year. Then screams at you for talking and texting your. Girl friends. Girls that are friends. Then. Accused you or sleeping with one of your Lesbo friend. That is married. And then screams daily what a bastard you are. And complains daily to her other AMP friends. How you stole all her $$ Mind you that I'm still with her and takes all the blame. Even they are false and paranoid stories. So ya. What would you do? A. Never fall in line with a girl. B. Never fall in love with a stripper. C. you pay no matter what!! A. Hooker. Stripper. AMP girl. Concubine. At least a hooker. You get to go home an have some peace.Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?
SoCalBrownBear
01-14-24, 01:40
Asian MILF w 12 year old meets a monger at 440.
Then dates. Then she stalks him because they met only 2 times outside of the AMP.
Then she moves in w her 12 yr old. And washes his clothes and sex. Expects $4 k a month. Then she complains. That she makes over 10 k and she only w you because she fell in love with you. Covid hits. She just opened up her own AMP in Westminster. Place gets shut down because of strict covid draconian laws in so cal. Tells you to pay for her $5 k mortgage and expects you to pay for everything including the property tax that's $11 k a year. Then screams at you for talking and texting your. Girl friends. Girls that are friends. Then. Accused you or sleeping with one of your Lesbo friend. That is married. And then screams daily what a bastard you are. And complains daily to her other AMP friends. How you stole all her $$ Mind you that I'm still with her and takes all the blame. Even they are false and paranoid stories. So ya. What would you do? A. Never fall in line with a girl. B. Never fall in love with a stripper. C. you pay no matter what!! A. Hooker. Stripper. AMP girl. Concubine. At least a hooker. You get to go home an have some peace.You nailed the title of this thread. Stupid for sure to go down this road.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-14-24, 01:51
Asian MILF w 12 year old meets a monger at 440.
Then dates. Then she stalks him because they met only 2 times outside of the AMP.
Then she moves in w her 12 yr old. And washes his clothes and sex. Expects $4 k a month. Then she complains. That she makes over 10 k and she only w you because she fell in love with you. Covid hits. She just opened up her own AMP in Westminster. Place gets shut down because of strict covid draconian laws in so cal. Tells you to pay for her $5 k mortgage and expects you to pay for everything including the property tax that's $11 k a year. Then screams at you for talking and texting your. Girl friends. Girls that are friends. Then. Accused you or sleeping with one of your Lesbo friend. That is married. And then screams daily what a bastard you are. And complains daily to her other AMP friends. How you stole all her $$ Mind you that I'm still with her and takes all the blame. Even they are false and paranoid stories. So ya. What would you do? A. Never fall in line with a girl. B. Never fall in love with a stripper. C. you pay no matter what!! A. Hooker. Stripper. AMP girl. Concubine. At least a hooker. You get to go home an have some peace.What a lovely romantic story. Perhaps a remake of "Love Story" might be in the offing with this story as the plotline?
DarkRoomDaddy
01-14-24, 13:41
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?If you think this is unhinged, check out his thread in the MP thread where he talks about his vomiting blood after 69'ing some lucky lady.
DronePilot
01-14-24, 15:34
I know its extremely rare, prostitution is basically decriminalized in California, and they pretty much have to catch you mid thrust, but anyone have experience with this? I'm always paranoid about this, or getting too comfortable at a parlor that I frequent and being there while something shady goes down. Its like the very very tippy top of the underworld and I know it can get dark fast. I figure staying out of the more upscale neighborhoods, nobody will complain about these parlors.
NuruBrowser
01-14-24, 16:07
I know its extremely rare, prostitution is basically decriminalized in California, and they pretty much have to catch you mid thrust, but anyone have experience with this? I'm always paranoid about this, or getting too comfortable at a parlor that I frequent and being there while something shady goes down. Its like the very very tippy top of the underworld and I know it can get dark fast. I figure staying out of the more upscale neighborhoods, nobody will complain about these parlors.I was actually at Haven during one of the license checks. It was a FS session but we hadn't actually got to that part yet. I guess they have a master lights switch or something. The lights came on and the girl jumped up, grabbed her shit and ran out of the room. Never said a word to me. I calmly got dressed and was simply asked to leave by LE. They weren't interested in me.
Heartless Jay
01-14-24, 17:06
I know its extremely rare, prostitution is basically decriminalized in California, and they pretty much have to catch you mid thrust, but anyone have experience with this? I'm always paranoid about this, or getting too comfortable at a parlor that I frequent and being there while something shady goes down. Its like the very very tippy top of the underworld and I know it can get dark fast. I figure staying out of the more upscale neighborhoods, nobody will complain about these parlors.I would think the AMPs would be the safest option in this respect. LEO would have to burst through the door and catch you with your cock in the girl's pussy. If they shook down a parlor while you happened to be in there, your story is simple. Sign on the door says massage, I came for a massage.
I would however worry about a sting happening in a hotel. That would be the riskiest option, in my opinion. Next riskiest would be the apartment AMP. As with the hotel, you have no legitimate excuse as to why you are there other than for fucking a prostitute.
I know its extremely rare, prostitution is basically decriminalized in California, and they pretty much have to catch you mid thrust, but anyone have experience with this? I'm always paranoid about this, or getting too comfortable at a parlor that I frequent and being there while something shady goes down. It's like the very very tippy top of the underworld and I know it can get dark fast. I figure staying out of the more upscale neighborhoods, nobody will complain about these parlors.Rare it is, but not as rare during an election year, so it has seemed. I'm not sure it matters any, mid trust or what ever. LE more than one thing to prove, part involves agreement to a sexual act for some sort of consideration, and the act itself. The sex part, they still need to prove it wasn't just two people going at it because they found themselves mutually attractive.
I'd imagine, they would / could take your name and other info and send you letters about the event, asking for you help to solve the crime. That would be enough to make it difficult on many of us.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-14-24, 20:07
I would think the AMPs would be the safest option in this respect. LEO would have to burst through the door and catch you with your cock in the girl's pussy. If they shook down a parlor while you happened to be in there, your story is simple. Sign on the door says massage, I came for a massage.
I would however worry about a sting happening in a hotel. That would be the riskiest option, in my opinion. Next riskiest would be the apartment AMP. As with the hotel, you have no legitimate excuse as to why you are there other than for fucking a prostitute.Its not against the law to have sex. You were in the middle of a great massage session, and passion took over, you two crazy kids ended up having sex. There was no discussion of an exchange of sex for money. It was just hormones and consenting adults.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-14-24, 20:10
Rare it is, but not as rare during an election year, so it has seemed. I'm not sure it matters any, mid trust or what ever. LE more than one thing to prove, part involves agreement to a sexual act for some sort of consideration, and the act itself. The sex part, they still need to prove it wasn't just two people going at it because they found themselves mutually attractive.
I'd imagine, they would / could take your name and other info and send you letters about the event, asking for you help to solve the crime. That would be enough to make it difficult on many of us.The biggest danger might be the shaming. In other states, they post the names and photos of the providers or johns. You can find mugshots of Chinese women online where they were arrested, photographed, and then the pics pubiished in the newspaper.
I know its extremely rare, prostitution is basically decriminalized in California, and they pretty much have to catch you mid thrust, but anyone have experience with this? I'm always paranoid about this, or getting too comfortable at a parlor that I frequent and being there while something shady goes down. Its like the very very tippy top of the underworld and I know it can get dark fast. I figure staying out of the more upscale neighborhoods, nobody will complain about these parlors.50/50.
The AMPs only get raided cause neighboring legit businesses complain about the foot traffic!
Dumbasses leaving cigarette buds, trash, loitering at all hours so business will call popo.
AlCapone2006
01-14-24, 23:48
Rare it is, but not as rare during an election year, so it has seemed. I'm not sure it matters any, mid trust or what ever. LE more than one thing to prove, part involves agreement to a sexual act for some sort of consideration, and the act itself. The sex part, they still need to prove it wasn't just two people going at it because they found themselves mutually attractive.
I'd imagine, they would / could take your name and other info and send you letters about the event, asking for you help to solve the crime. That would be enough to make it difficult on many of us.Problem solved. If you want puss that bad.
AlCapone2006
01-14-24, 23:49
I would think the AMPs would be the safest option in this respect. LEO would have to burst through the door and catch you with your cock in the girl's pussy. If they shook down a parlor while you happened to be in there, your story is simple. Sign on the door says massage, I came for a massage.
I would however worry about a sting happening in a hotel. That would be the riskiest option, in my opinion. Next riskiest would be the apartment AMP. As with the hotel, you have no legitimate excuse as to why you are there other than for fucking a prostitute.Circle the place a few times. Check out a few donut shops if there are a bunch of marked cop cars parked nearby.
AlCapone2006
01-14-24, 23:53
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Lift Her Up
01-15-24, 03:15
Since you supposedly got so many numbers and know all the mamas and papasans. Go recruit and open one your self. Smarty pants!!Hi Al, You may have me confused with someone else. I have the phone number of just one provider, and I don't know any PPS or MMS personally, I don't even think I know any of their names.
Lift Her Up.
The biggest danger might be the shaming. In other states, they post the names and photos of the providers or johns. You can find mugshots of Chinese women online where they were arrested, photographed, and then the pics pubiished in the newspaper.They have done this in the past, both OC Sheriff and Santa Ana PD. Could be other jurisdictions that have also had a webpage for johns locally, but just haven't come across it, yet.
Santa Ana, still has the page up, but no photos on it. Says, the photo's will stay up for 15 days. It seems it would include only arrested and charged, so a higher bar than just investigated.
I could be mistaken on OC Sheriff, I might be recalling OC Sheriff in FL, which BTW, OC Sheriff now tweets out the John photo's on a periodic basis. Oh, they also have an Instagram page with same / similar info.
I wrote this before, but I hate dealing with independents. The "direct connection" means nothing to me if we can't have any connection at all. Most of them have no idea what they're doing and are totally flaky for no reason even when you show dedication to try and work with them. Do you want business or not? If any independents read this, get a booker and make everyone's life easier.
There's my rant LOL.
Heartless Jay
01-30-24, 09:40
Do you mongers get anything out of having your nipples fiddled with? I've had so many women twiddle or suck on my nipples thinking it's something that I want done, and maybe it's just me but it does absolutely nothing for me. They're not dead, I mean if I pinch them I feel pain, but there's zero pleasurable sensitivity going on. I figure it must be good for some of you all, otherwise why would so many women think it's bringing men pleasure. Need some feedback before I start asking the girl just who the fuck told you this was a good thing to do.
Do you mongers get anything out of having your nipples fiddled with? I've had so many women twiddle or suck on my nipples thinking it's something that I want done, and maybe it's just me but it does absolutely nothing for me. They're not dead, I mean if I pinch them I feel pain, but there's zero pleasurable sensitivity going on. I figure it must be good for some of you all, otherwise why would so many women think it's bringing men pleasure. Need some feedback before I start asking the girl just who the fuck told you this was a good thing to do.I love nipple ply, especially having them locked and sucked on. It's a personal preference though, just like it is for the girls. Some love having their tits sucked and some can't stand it. Most tolerate it because they know we love suckin on them but not all enjoy it.
Lift Her Up
01-30-24, 11:04
Do you mongers get anything out of having your nipples fiddled with? I've had so many women twiddle or suck on my nipples thinking it's something that I want done, and maybe it's just me but it does absolutely nothing for me. They're not dead, I mean if I pinch them I feel pain, but there's zero pleasurable sensitivity going on. I figure it must be good for some of you all, otherwise why would so many women think it's bringing men pleasure. Need some feedback before I start asking the girl just who the fuck told you this was a good thing to do.I get just a little additional arousal from it. Yeah, the first time someone did it for me I was surprised. Generally I just go with the flow and I'm glad the girl wants to do stuff she thinks turns me on, always grateful for that. But it's nothing I seek out. Little kisses on my nipples do more than the other stuff. Oh, there was this one time someone used a vibrator on my nipples, that was way way too much.
Interesting topic, thanks for bringing it up.
Lift Her Up.
Lift Her Up
01-30-24, 11:07
. . . for the girls. Some love having their tits sucked and some can't stand it. Most tolerate it because they know we love suckin on them but not all enjoy it.Grimmy, Thanks for this obseration. I didn't realize so many weren't turned on by it. I thought it was just a pathological few.
Lift Her Up.
Grimmy, Thanks for this obseration. I didn't realize so many weren't turned on by it. I thought it was just a pathological few.
Lift Her Up.I just figure they are that guys like licking and sucking and touching the girls nipples, so maybe it's just a human thing, a body thing?
Do unto others?
I don't mind it, but she is not bad nor good. I do like that it puts her face much closer to me (my eyes) which is more intimate and enjoyable. My teeth aren't great so I don't get much on the lfk or dfk, so having her face close is about as girlfriend as I often see.
On that subject, I guess many guys dig this but girls, suck the stick but leave my eggs out of your mouth. I don't want unnecessary squeezes there, or some random out of whack twist that hurts way more than it should.
So I've been seeing this woman for 6-7 years. She's in her late 30's early 40's, me breaking into my 60's. She's still attractive, has a nice bod, is very smart and has her own burliness, and is very amicable and has never said no to anything I asked her to do. Problem is she apparently doesn't cut it for Jr. Anymore. I don't know if it's me getting older or if it's the familiarity factor or something else. With her, Jr. Does wake up, puts out a valiant effort, but in a minute or two goes back to sleep and doesn't deliver the goods. Same Jr. Is a total party animal with other girls whom I find attractive and even some whom I don't. So at this point, I just want to break if off and go seek some greener pastures, but I want to do it as nicely as possible. I don't want to leave her on bad terms or hurt her feelings.
So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?
James D 2004
02-01-24, 18:36
So I've been seeing this woman for 6-7 years. She's in her late 30's early 40's, me breaking into my 60's. She's still attractive, has a nice bod, is very smart and has her own burliness, and is very amicable and has never said no to anything I asked her to do. Problem is she apparently doesn't cut it for Jr. Anymore. I don't know if it's me getting older or if it's the familiarity factor or something else. With her, Jr. Does wake up, puts out a valiant effort, but in a minute or two goes back to sleep and doesn't deliver the goods. Same Jr. Is a total party animal with other girls whom I find attractive and even some whom I don't. So at this point, I just want to break if off and go seek some greener pastures, but I want to do it as nicely as possible. I don't want to leave her on bad terms or hurt her feelings.
So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?Caught something.
So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?Your dad died and you need time.
Traveling the world.
Your friend is taking you to Thailand to show you his top 5 18 year olds.
Through therapy you realize you are truly a woman inside.
You have HIV.
Ace McNasty
02-02-24, 17:25
So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?This actually hapened to an older relative of mine. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer. You seem to be in the same age group where this diagnosis is plausible. Just say you are scheduled for surgery then radiation. After his treatments, he was in remission, but had permanent ED as a terrible side effect. So no more boom boom for him.
I would not tell the woman you are dumping that you have some STD. That might come back to haunt you. Who will criticize a cancer survivor?
FarFarAway
02-04-24, 14:12
Do you mongers get anything out of having your nipples fiddled with? I've had so many women twiddle or suck on my nipples thinking it's something that I want done, and maybe it's just me but it does absolutely nothing for me. They're not dead, I mean if I pinch them I feel pain, but there's zero pleasurable sensitivity going on. I figure it must be good for some of you all, otherwise why would so many women think it's bringing men pleasure. Need some feedback before I start asking the girl just who the fuck told you this was a good thing to do.Nothing big for me.
Let's review what the deal is for women. The prime physiological function of nipples is to feed the offspring. Mom needs a reward for that. When baby is dining, it causes the release of oxytocin. This is a hormone that affects cognition and promotes feelings of warmth, attachment, and love. Increases the bond to the kid, so mom stays around to raise it to independence. Some will recognize other things that cause oxytocin release, such as orgasms. And some women breast-feeding get them. There are some really hot videos out on the web of this, I recommend them.
It is intrinsically different for women than men to have nipples stimulated, because we don't have any biological imperative to get a benefit therefrom. I can also believe, just because of natural genetic variation, that there are women who don't particularly get anything out of nursing, and also wouldn't care if we licked / sucked their nipples in a sexual way. However, in many women nipple stim is an important component of arousal, and for guys, like me, I enjoy doing it. Large puffy nipples are a real turn-on in porn. I've not had an IRL woman with anything like those I've seen. I might have an old photo of a past lover who I really did enjoy, she had native american heritage. It does seem some asian women people report in massage parlors heareabouts sometimes have impressive nipples.
Heartless Jay
02-06-24, 08:52
Nothing big for me.
Let's review what the deal is for women. The prime physiological function of nipples is to feed the offspring. Mom needs a reward for that. When baby is dining, it causes the release of oxytocin. This is a hormone that affects cognition and promotes feelings of warmth, attachment, and love. Increases the bond to the kid, so mom stays around to raise it to independence. Some will recognize other things that cause oxytocin release, such as orgasms. And some women breast-feeding get them. There are some really hot videos out on the web of this, I recommend them.
It is intrinsically different for women than men to have nipples stimulated, because we don't have any biological imperative to get a benefit therefrom. I can also believe, just because of natural genetic variation, that there are women who don't particularly get anything out of nursing, and also wouldn't care if we licked / sucked their nipples in a sexual way. However, in many women nipple stim is an important component of arousal, and for guys, like me, I enjoy doing it. Large puffy nipples are a real turn-on in porn. I've not had an IRL woman with anything like those I've seen. I might have an old photo of a past lover who I really did enjoy, she had native american heritage. It does seem some asian women people report in massage parlors heareabouts sometimes have impressive nipples.Makes perfect sense to me. I've had girlfriends who were turned on by nipple play, stimulating themselves during sex. So I just wondered if it was mostly a gender thing, as you point out, or if I was just built funny.
Lift Her Up
02-13-24, 16:39
That ro. Co commercial that has the woman saying, "I had no idea that a little tiny prick could be so powerful": Does anyone else besides me find that gut-busting funny?
Lift Her Up.
That ro. Co commercial that has the woman saying, "I had no idea that a little tiny prick could be so powerful": Does anyone else besides me find that gut-busting funny?
Lift Her Up.Yeah that was pretty hilarious. I'm surprised they got away with that.
Christophe1
02-14-24, 15:21
Makes perfect sense to me. I've had girlfriends who were turned on by nipple play, stimulating themselves during sex. So I just wondered if it was mostly a gender thing, as you point out, or if I was just built funny.Last time I saw Sunny in K-town I started sucking on her nipples enough that she got turned on. During sex she gave me a couple of properly placed double nipple pinches that were such a turn on that it got me even harder and felt good. I have been with many Chinese women and never got much out of it and just allowed it and hoped they would work their way to my dick. With the right person to me it was stimulating and keyed me in that I could bite her nips and it IMO made for a more advanced session.
RedRoddddd
02-14-24, 21:12
So I've been seeing this woman for 6-7 years. She's in her late 30's early 40's, me breaking into my 60's. She's still attractive, has a nice bod, is very smart and has her own burliness, and is very amicable and has never said no to anything I asked her to do. Problem is she apparently doesn't cut it for Jr. Anymore. I don't know if it's me getting older or if it's the familiarity factor or something else. With her, Jr. Does wake up, puts out a valiant effort, but in a minute or two goes back to sleep and doesn't deliver the goods. Same Jr. Is a total party animal with other girls whom I find attractive and even some whom I don't. So at this point, I just want to break if off and go seek some greener pastures, but I want to do it as nicely as possible. I don't want to leave her on bad terms or hurt her feelings.
So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?Tell her you are moving away / across the country. If you ever come back, you will come and visit. Kiss & bye bye.
So I've been seeing this woman for 6-7 years. She's in her late 30's early 40's, me breaking into my 60's. She's still attractive, has a nice bod, is very smart and has her own burliness, and is very amicable and has never said no to anything I asked her to do. Problem is she apparently doesn't cut it for Jr. Anymore. I don't know if it's me getting older or if it's the familiarity factor or something else. With her, Jr. Does wake up, puts out a valiant effort, but in a minute or two goes back to sleep and doesn't deliver the goods. Same Jr. Is a total party animal with other girls whom I find attractive and even some whom I don't. So at this point, I just want to break if off and go seek some greener pastures, but I want to do it as nicely as possible. I don't want to leave her on bad terms or hurt her feelings.
So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?Are your visits routine. Is she the only one servicing you at that level? Or, do you have a wide rotation so that you see her every 2 or three weeks? Or maybe you need an enhancer.
Plasma Spray
02-15-24, 03:09
So I've been seeing this woman for 6-7 years. She's in her late 30's early 40's, me breaking into my 60's. She's still attractive, has a nice bod, is very smart and has her own burliness, and is very amicable and has never said no to anything I asked her to do. Problem is she apparently doesn't cut it for Jr. Anymore. I don't know if it's me getting older or if it's the familiarity factor or something else. With her, Jr. Does wake up, puts out a valiant effort, but in a minute or two goes back to sleep and doesn't deliver the goods. Same Jr. Is a total party animal with other girls whom I find attractive and even some whom I don't. So at this point, I just want to break if off and go seek some greener pastures, but I want to do it as nicely as possible. I don't want to leave her on bad terms or hurt her feelings.
So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?How do you know you are also her side piece?
In any case, just like any stale relationship, one qould say you need some time away. And then not respond to her messages.
People can tell and will just move on.
Plasma Spray
02-15-24, 03:11
At least in my experience. Happens to me too. Goea both ways. You may feel a little hurt. But next! LOL!
Are your visits routine. Is she the only one servicing you at that level? Or, do you have a wide rotation so that you see her every 2 or three weeks? Or maybe you need an enhancer.II see her every couple of weeks. Nothing's off the table. I'm not into meds. She's very persistent with messaging. I do see others, and I'm sure she does too, although I've never asked her point blank who or how many. She doesn't advertise and hasn't been in the 'business' since long before Covid. She has her own non-AMP business now and drives a nicer car than I do. There is no romance or anything like that. It's just boom boom and we go our separate ways, so it's more like I'm her booty call, LOL. I just want a nice, clean break, but I want to do it nicely, as I'm sure I'll be running into her in restaurants or markets at some point. I don't want that awkward situation or having to look over my shoulder. Not responding to her messages is not an option if I want a 'nice" break. And to top if off, another character flaw of mine, I'm not a good liar.
Heartless Jay
02-16-24, 07:49
II see her every couple of weeks. Nothing's off the table. I'm not into meds. She's very persistent with messaging. I do see others, and I'm sure she does too, although I've never asked her point blank who or how many. She doesn't advertise and hasn't been in the 'business' since long before Covid. She has her own non-AMP business now and drives a nicer car than I do. There is no romance or anything like that. It's just boom boom and we go our separate ways, so it's more like I'm her booty call, LOL. I just want a nice, clean break, but I want to do it nicely, as I'm sure I'll be running into her in restaurants or markets at some point. I don't want that awkward situation or having to look over my shoulder. Not responding to her messages is not an option if I want a 'nice" break. And to top if off, another character flaw of mine, I'm not a good liar.Don't see the value in making up a story, especially if lying isn't your forte. Just tell her the truth, gently. You really like her but the spark is gone and it's time to move on.
So I've been seeing this woman for 6-7 years. She's in her late 30's early 40's, me breaking into my 60's. She's still attractive, has a nice bod, is very smart and has her own burliness, and is very amicable and has never said no to anything I asked her to do. Problem is she apparently doesn't cut it for Jr. Anymore. I don't know if it's me getting older or if it's the familiarity factor or something else. With her, Jr. Does wake up, puts out a valiant effort, but in a minute or two goes back to sleep and doesn't deliver the goods. Same Jr. Is a total party animal with other girls whom I find attractive and even some whom I don't. So at this point, I just want to break if off and go seek some greener pastures, but I want to do it as nicely as possible. I don't want to leave her on bad terms or hurt her feelings.
So, my question to the esteemed members here is: how do you break it off with your ATF?You want to cut her off 100%? Why? Sounds like you have a good thing going on. Every couple of weeks should be fine. Does your pecker do the same thing with other women or just her? Getting a flat tire for me is if I smoke a couple of city's I make sure if I want smash that pussy I don't smoke. I was texting back and forth with a provider like you but would respond back 2-4 hours later. Then it became less frequent. The plus with your friend is she has her own business so she's not going to ask you for money she has her own.
Hitting 60 shouldn't be an issue. As long as I know that smoking caused me running out of gas that's easily decision to make.
You want to cut her off 100%? Why? Sounds like you have a good thing going on. Every couple of weeks should be fine. Does your pecker do the same thing with other women or just her? Getting a flat tire for me is if I smoke a couple of city's I make sure if I want smash that pussy I don't smoke. I was texting back and forth with a provider like you but would respond back 2-4 hours later. Then it became less frequent. The plus with your friend is she has her own business so she's not going to ask you for money she has her own.
Hitting 60 shouldn't be an issue. As long as I know that smoking caused me running out of gas that's easily decision to make.Eh. Yeah, I've been a long time smoker. But I don't think that's the problem because everything worked fine up until a couple years ago, and It's just with her. Last week with another hottie, I couldn't last more than a minute or so. I think it might be the familiarity factor. I think junior wants variety and he doesn't take orders from the big head.
Eh. Yeah, I've been a long time smoker. But I don't think that's the problem because everything worked fine up until a couple years ago, and It's just with her. Last week with another hottie, I couldn't last more than a minute or so. I think it might be the familiarity factor. I think junior wants variety and he doesn't take orders from the big head.Sounds like your missing something more than just a physical connection. Maybe she isn't as fired up to see you, or vice versa because the thrill is gone (insert BB King). It's too familiar. Regardless that's ok that you want to call it off, but I'd keep it cordial because you never know if the well runs dry, elsewhere.
Maybe ask yourself why you aren't as thrilled to see her anymore, and why it is seeing other women. I'm sure it's our natural male instinct to search and conquer; thrill of the chase.
Or maybe she's just boring. I don't know her so it could be simpler than that. Anyway. Happy hunting my friend.
DronePilot
02-16-24, 23:22
But all the women on dating apps my age are fat, single moms, or narsasstic. I get laid more than my married friends and I get action whenever I want. How does the sugaring thing work? I want to take a girl around my age and just blow her back out every night. I make enough to do this semi-regulalry but I want to go 3-4 rounds sometimes and its PRICEY.
WhoreMaster 91
02-17-24, 08:01
But all the women on dating apps my age are fat, single moms, or narsasstic. I get laid more than my married friends and I get action whenever I want. How does the sugaring thing work? I want to take a girl around my age and just blow her back out every night. I make enough to do this semi-regulalry but I want to go 3-4 rounds sometimes and its PRICEY.Go to South America or Asia and stop wasting your money here.
Skinny Dugan
02-19-24, 23:14
I've been getting generic cialis from a Canadian pharmacy for a few years. 36,10-mg pills are about $60. I take 2 at a time so I thought it was a decent price.
I just looked at Costco web page. If I remember correctly, 30,20 mg pills are less than $20. Is that for real? That's a great price if it's true. Anyone get these meds at Costco?
I've been getting generic cialis from a Canadian pharmacy for a few years. 36,10-mg pills are about $60. I take 2 at a time so I thought it was a decent price.
I just looked at Costco web page. If I remember correctly, 30,20 mg pills are less than $20. Is that for real? That's a great price if it's true. Anyone get these meds at Costco?I have been buying my generic Cialis & Viagra from Costco for several years. I trust the potency more than those from other countries.
Ya, the price for both are around $20.00 ±.
I am a Costco member & use a Doctors Rx but not my Med insurance.
FarFarAway
02-20-24, 10:53
I've been getting generic cialis from a Canadian pharmacy for a few years. 36,10-mg pills are about $60. I take 2 at a time so I thought it was a decent price.
I just looked at Costco web page. If I remember correctly, 30,20 mg pills are less than $20. Is that for real? That's a great price if it's true. Anyone get these meds at Costco?I have a local guy IK who gets his from India and will sell for cash. If you are concerned about the warden finding out you need them.
LooksLikeGreg
02-21-24, 19:49
I've been getting generic cialis from a Canadian pharmacy for a few years. 36,10-mg pills are about $60. I take 2 at a time so I thought it was a decent price.
I just looked at Costco web page. If I remember correctly, 30,20 mg pills are less than $20. Is that for real? That's a great price if it's true. Anyone get these meds at Costco?I got a prescription from my urologist (30 at 100 mg w / 3 refills), took it to Costo, paid $19.99. The doctor had recommended going through GoodRX to get a discount coupon, but the straight Costco price was better. I think I could have used GoodRX for an even (slightly) better price at either Target or Walmart, but I would have had to sign up for something or other, so I didn't.
I have filled RX for generic V and C at Costco's pharmacy. I would recommend Costco RX. There's the convenience, the competative price and the confidence in who you are dealing with. I could maybe buy from one of the online services that are popping up (Roman, etc); but I'm saving $0.10 a pill?
I got a prescription from my urologist (30 at 100 mg w / 3 refills), took it to Costo, paid $19.99. The doctor had recommended going through GoodRX to get a discount coupon, but the straight Costco price was better. I think I could have used GoodRX for an even (slightly) better price at either Target or Walmart, but I would have had to sign up for something or other, so I didn't.GoodRX,
Nothing to sign up for, just to to the website, enter the med name, it will give you the discount codes. Walmart, price was pretty cheap after GoodRX discount. Like 14 bux, for 30 pills.
GoodRX,
Nothing to sign up for, just to to the website, enter the med name, it will give you the discount codes. Walmart, price was pretty cheap after GoodRX discount. Like 14 bux, for 30 pills.This. I just picked up my generic C Rx yesterday at Costco. $13.99 for 30 pills. Best deal in town.
Lift Her Up
02-28-24, 20:50
Yeah, agreed. Not only the expense, but anyone who has ever dated one of these girls knows they are VERY different in the real world vs the fantasy world. Most of them are wonderful actresses for an hour or two. But beyond that, no thanks. My guess is, any rich dude who takes a k-girl off the market will wind up kicking her out eventually. Either that, or she will bankrupt him. Either way, it's a not going to end well.I've also heard that K's can be very very tight with a dollar. So if I married one of that type, my discretionary spending might be cut to near zero. Does anyone here know anyone married to a K-girl? For myself, I've never even dated, much less screwed, a civvy K-girl or any other civvy Asian for that matter. I wonder how the civvies hold up in bed. My impression is that the Asian women are more accepting of male sexuality, less judgmental that White women, but there's a big difference between acceptance and enthusiasm. So as a guy with no first hand experience, I'd like to hear from anyone who knows first-hand.
I first posted this in the Korean BB thread, continuing the conversation there, but then I deleted it 'cause I thought it was better placed in this Stupid Shit thread.
Lift Her Up.
St Stephen
02-28-24, 22:54
I've also heard that K's can be very very tight with a dollar. So if I married one of that type, my discretionary spending might be cut to near zero. Does anyone here know anyone married to a K-girl? For myself, I've never even dated, much less screwed, a civvy K-girl or any other civvy Asian for that matter. I wonder how the civvies hold up in bed. My impression is that the Asian women are more accepting of male sexuality, less judgmental that White women, but there's a big difference between acceptance and enthusiasm. So as a guy with no first hand experience, I'd like to hear from anyone who knows first-hand.
I first posted this in the Korean BB thread, continuing the conversation there, but then I deleted it 'cause I thought it was better placed in this Stupid Shit thread.
Lift Her Up.I don't want to burst your bubble but, these girls are hookers! They are ******! You want a wife or a girlfriend try a dating site.
Lift Her Up
02-29-24, 21:26
I don't want to burst your bubble but, these girls are hookers! They are ******! You want a wife or a girlfriend try a dating site.I think I wasn't clear. I'm curious, as part of my lifelong addiction to the search for knowledge. If any readers here have any long-ish term experiences with total Non-Professional (not our profession of interest) Asian women, I'd be interested in hearing about these women's attitudes towards sex. As for me, I have no experience at all in this area, and I imagine I'll never have any, for that matter.
Lift Her Up.
I don't want to burst your bubble but, these girls are hookers! They are ******! You want a wife or a girlfriend try a dating site.There is the saying " you pay for time with a hooker but also paying her to leave"! LOL 100% true regardless of ethnicity.
I am just sad that folks some folks have poisoned the well, or our minds, without any hard evidence. For some of us, who really enjoyed seeing Amy and are / were planning to repeat, it sure sows a doubt in our mind. I can't help but look at her feet next time I see her.
Plasma Spray
03-05-24, 19:05
I Have a tracfone burner flip phone but that POS kills the $19.99 plan I am on after I retrieve some pics that providers send me.
Used to have older flipper that tracfone decommisioned and offered me this POS "upgrade. " I disabled the data use feature but have to tuen it on to download the pics and immeidately turn data off. But I cannot send or receive texts after as "funds are insufficient. " This did not evwr happen with the old flipper.
Any other recs gents?
I Have a tracfone burner flip phone but that POS kills the $19.99 plan I am on after I retrieve some pics that providers send me.
Used to have older flipper that tracfone decommisioned and offered me this POS "upgrade. " I disabled the data use feature but have to tuen it on to download the pics and immeidately turn data off. But I cannot send or receive texts after as "funds are insufficient. " This did not evwr happen with the old flipper.
Any other recs gents?I don't remember the last time I had a flip phone.
Go to Walmart, spend the $25 to 50 bucks, and get a "smart phone".
Here's one:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tracfone-BLU-View-2-32GB-Black-Prepaid-Smartphone-Locked-to-Carrier-Tracfone/105215108?from=/search
I still use the $20 card for 90 day use, annually that's $80, the best deal out there.
Don't know how Tracphone will end up now that it's owned by Verizon.
My opinion time to get a new phone, it will let you surf the web for new gals and much better IMHO than a flip.
Best of luck.
I think I wasn't clear. I'm curious, as part of my lifelong addiction to the search for knowledge. If any readers here have any long-ish term experiences with total Non-Professional (not our profession of interest) Asian women, I'd be interested in hearing about these women's attitudes towards sex. As for me, I have no experience at all in this area, and I imagine I'll never have any, for that matter.
Lift Her Up.You are not going to get a good answer because it is very complicated. Traditionally, all kgirls know in marriage that it's their duty to be sexually available to their husbands. It's been that way for thousands of years. But lately, the new generation of women in South Korea are rebelling on this, many even choosing to be child-free for life or looking for a non-traditional husband. There are more dogs as pets than children in South Korea right now. Also, once a woman has a child she may stop sex altogether or at least a few years, it really depends. But common.
About being tight with money / allowance, that is just a Korea / Japan thing where the woman traditionally controls finances and gives the husband an allowance. The household is the woman's responsibility.
There are a lot more women in SE Asia that are open to their husbands seeing other women for sexual release, as long as it isn't for love. But many still consider it cheating. Until modern times it was perfectly normal (and legal) for a man to have multiple wives. One official wife, and several concubines. So as long as the man didn't cross certain lines of decency, it is a far cry from the Christian-value West.
FarFarAway
03-05-24, 20:59
I Have a tracfone burner flip phone but that POS kills the $19.99 plan I am on after I retrieve some pics that providers send me.
Used to have older flipper that tracfone decommisioned and offered me this POS "upgrade. " I disabled the data use feature but have to tuen it on to download the pics and immeidately turn data off. But I cannot send or receive texts after as "funds are insufficient. " This did not evwr happen with the old flipper.
Any other recs gents?If I am going to be using a lot of bandwidth, I find a Starbucks (they all have free Wi-Fi). I hook up w / them and do Wi-Fi calling, video chat on Snapchat, update of big apps, etc.
Also, set yourself up w / Google voice or some other texting app that can be accessed on the web. If you 'receive' the photos while you are online w / your laptop, rather than on the phone using internet data, you can view them, delete them, save them, even if they are big files, and it will never charge against your data on the phone.
Plasma Spray
03-05-24, 22:42
I don't remember the last time I had a flip phone.
Go to Walmart, spend the $25 to 50 bucks, and get a "smart phone".
Here's one:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tracfone-BLU-View-2-32GB-Black-Prepaid-Smartphone-Locked-to-Carrier-Tracfone/105215108?from=/search
I still use the $20 card for 90 day use, annually that's $80, the best deal out there.
Don't know how Tracphone will end up now that it's owned by Verizon.
My opinion time to get a new phone, it will let you surf the web for new gals and much better IMHO than a flip.
Best of luck.I have a few smart phones laying around since upgrading. Samsung s8 etc. (all unlocked). But the the tracfone sim does not work (not detected) in the samsung. I need to keep the same number as it has already been vetted by quite a few providers and orgs.
I Have a tracfone burner flip phone but that POS kills the $19.99 plan I am on after I retrieve some pics that providers send me.
Used to have older flipper that tracfone decommisioned and offered me this POS "upgrade. " I disabled the data use feature but have to tuen it on to download the pics and immeidately turn data off. But I cannot send or receive texts after as "funds are insufficient. " This did not evwr happen with the old flipper.
Any other recs gents?Don't be such a cheap ass. This is an expensive hobby, flip phones don't work. You need a smart phone. I've had bookers send pics and maps on how to get to the apt. With a flip phone, the screen is so small you can't see the pic. And how the heck are you texting on a 10 key pad. Get a decent smart phone and a decent phone plan. Tmobile coverage is dismal. Stick with verizon or ATT. I've tried Goggle voice / text and it's not that reliable. Just get a pay as you go phone; I pay $35/ month with ATT and never have an issue. That works out to $400 a year. That's one session. It's worth it.
The beater car that I was driving around town finally bit the dust. It needs $3000 in repairs and it's only worth $1600 KBB value so I'm not fixing it. Ironically it broke down just as I was pulling into my neighborhood after some hobby fun. If it had broken down 20-30 minutes earlier I would have had a fun time explaining to family why I needed to be towed from Little Saigon, so dodged a bullet there. Wife and I already knew we were on borrowed time with that car (15 years and 200 k miles) and decided a long time ago that we would replace it with a second Tesla when the time came. Well the time has come and we're abojt to become a completely gas free household.
Awesome, except Teslas are trackable. The last thing I need is for my wife to open the app and see that the other car is in Little Saigon or at some random hotel. It's possible to turn that off, but when you turn it off the app shows that you turned it off. That throws a bit of a wrench into this hobby for me. I haven't figured what my workaround is going to be yet. Maybe I turn it off and call it a "glitch. " But then we have location sharing on our phones too, which I turn off when I'm hobbying. The phone and the car can't both have glitches at the same time.
My other thought is get a burner phone and leave my regular phone in my office when I'm out, then the car can have a little glitch. The only thing I'd have to explain there is why it took me 2 hours to respond to a text.
Technology giveth and technology taketh away.
Domelike2020
03-06-24, 11:31
The beater car that I was driving around town finally bit the dust. It needs $3000 in repairs and it's only worth $1600 KBB value so I'm not fixing it. Ironically it broke down just as I was pulling into my neighborhood after some hobby fun. If it had broken down 20-30 minutes earlier I would have had a fun time explaining to family why I needed to be towed from Little Saigon, so dodged a bullet there. Wife and I already knew we were on borrowed time with that car (15 years and 200 k miles) and decided a long time ago that we would replace it with a second Tesla when the time came. Well the time has come and we're abojt to become a completely gas free household.
Awesome, except Teslas are trackable. The last thing I need is for my wife to open the app and see that the other car is in Little Saigon or at some random hotel. It's possible to turn that off, but when you turn it off the app shows that you turned it off. That throws a bit of a wrench into this hobby for me. I haven't figured what my workaround is going to be yet. Maybe I turn it off and call it a "glitch. " But then we have location sharing on our phones too, which I turn off when I'm hobbying. The phone and the car can't both have glitches at the same time.I wasn't even aware you could turn it off. If anyone has a way to get around the Tesla tracking, please share the knowledge.
I recently saw it could be disabled if you were in dangerous relationship, but I wasn't able to find it in the settings. Could be country specific.
Mr Plumber
03-06-24, 11:41
I have a few smart phones laying around since upgrading. Samsung s8 etc. (all unlocked). But the the tracfone sim does not work (not detected) in the samsung. I need to keep the same number as it has already been vetted by quite a few providers and orgs.You can port your existing, vetted cell number to any service you choose. This has been an FCC mandate since the early days of mobile phone tech.
You may be able to get a text forwarding app for your main phone that forwards texts to your burner. Obviously, test it extensively prior to use.
Is there another electric car with less obvious tracking? Feign disgust with Elon and buy something else.
The beater car that I was driving around town finally bit the dust. It needs $3000 in repairs and it's only worth $1600 KBB value so I'm not fixing it. Ironically it broke down just as I was pulling into my neighborhood after some hobby fun. If it had broken down 20-30 minutes earlier I would have had a fun time explaining to family why I needed to be towed from Little Saigon, so dodged a bullet there. Wife and I already knew we were on borrowed time with that car (15 years and 200 k miles) and decided a long time ago that we would replace it with a second Tesla when the time came. Well the time has come and we're abojt to become a completely gas free household.
Awesome, except Teslas are trackable. The last thing I need is for my wife to open the app and see that the other car is in Little Saigon or at some random hotel. It's possible to turn that off, but when you turn it off the app shows that you turned it off. That throws a bit of a wrench into this hobby for me. I haven't figured what my workaround is going to be yet. Maybe I turn it off and call it a "glitch. " But then we have location sharing on our phones too, which I turn off when I'm hobbying. The phone and the car can't both have glitches at the same time.
My other thought is get a burner phone and leave my regular phone in my office when I'm out, then the car can have a little glitch. The only thing I'd have to explain there is why it took me 2 hours to respond to a text.
Technology giveth and technology taketh away.
You may be able to get a text forwarding app for your main phone that forwards texts to your burner. Obviously, test it extensively prior to use.
Is there another electric car with less obvious tracking? Feign disgust with Elon and buy something else.Actually, most new cars are trackable now, electric or not. I got my daughter a new non-electric car for college just a few months ago and it's fully trackable as well. I can even turn on alerts if I want to notify me if she's speeding or driving recklessly. I don't do that but I could. It's just one of those things with technology now.
As far as I'm aware, all EVs have the same issue. Your phone is your car key and it controls everything. We already have one Tesla and the home charging infrastructure. If we added another brand we'd have to add another charger for it and it adds a couple thousand dollars to the cost. Yeah I could use the Tesla charger with an adapter plug but that's not ideal either.
The other thing about EVs, not to turn this into an EV pros and cons thread, is that still the only EV that you can realistically take on a long distance road trip is a Tesla. Nobody else has the charging infrastructure built up yet. If you want to drive up to say San Francisco it's difficult to impossible to do it in any EV that isn't a Tesla. In a Tesla it's super easy. While everyone else was sleeping, Tesla quietly rolled out a network of conveniently spaced super chargers so you can take a long road trip. It just means that you plan your lunch stop around where the next supercharger is. Hyundai is getting there with its Ioniq, but even with that you're more or less at the mercy of what you can do on a full charge.
Obviously Elon doesn't do any mongering of his own.
Lift Her Up
03-06-24, 13:20
You are not going to get a good answer because it is very complicated. . .Thank you for your thoughtful observations.
It's tough to get a constructive dialogue going on-line (lots of flame-throwers around), but we do see some useful and thoughtful exchanges here in this Rants and Stupid thread. Thanks, guys!
Lift Her Up.
I am just sad that folks some folks have poisoned the well, or our minds, without any hard evidence. For some of us, who really enjoyed seeing Amy and are / were planning to repeat, it sure sows a doubt in our mind. I can't help but look at her feet next time I see her.To be honest I was planning on seeing her when she gets back since I wasn't able to see her last time. Which bummed me out cause she was booked solid. All this new information doesn't seem factual enough to make it real. It's a lot of speculation and "trust me bro" knowledge. I still plan on scheduling a visit because I'm just not convinced all these rumors are true. I plan on reporting back with my results to y'all.
Plasma Spray
03-06-24, 13:37
"Obviously Elon doesn't do any mongering of his own. ".
Yes he does. With his employees. LOL!
Plasma Spray
03-06-24, 13:42
Don't be such a cheap ass. This is an expensive hobby, flip phones don't work. You need a smart phone. I've had bookers send pics and maps on how to get to the apt. With a flip phone, the screen is so small you can't see the pic. And how the heck are you texting on a 10 key pad. Get a decent smart phone and a decent phone plan. Tmobile coverage is dismal. Stick with verizon or ATT. I've tried Goggle voice / text and it's not that reliable. Just get a pay as you go phone; I pay $35/ month with ATT and never have an issue. That works out to $400 a year. That's one session. It's worth it.Maybe cheap. But I need something small and easily put away with a long charge. I do not want to explain where that extra phone is for while being charged in the car.
Plasma Spray
03-06-24, 13:44
And yes I have to drive her in my car. On occasions.
"Obviously Elon doesn't do any mongering of his own. ".
Yes he does. With his employees. LOL!Yeah if I had Elon's money I'd probably be boning my female employees too. All of the single ones and at least half of the married ones. LOL.
Member #2210
03-06-24, 14:34
Bro. Please resond. Which Amy? The viet on in OC GFE only?Yes, the Amy everyone's been talking about.
Actually, most new cars are trackable now, electric or not. Of course. My new car is trackable as well. But it's a different brand than my wife's and she doesn't have the app on her phone for that reason. She doesn't even know the password, so she can't look it up online.
Yep, to each is own. IMHO a trany is a trany. No way I would knowingly fuck a trany. Trany is a man with the cock removed and a pussy installed.
A real women is my only interest. I really appreciate all of the info on this.
Yes, the Amy everyone's been talking about.
I 1000 percent agree. Even if she was born a man it doesn't take away from the fact that's she's gorgeous. Really would just add to the mystique but I can also understand why some people would want to know. She's so good looking I don't think this information would do anything to curb her popularity.
If the illusion is so perfect that you can't see through it even with your guard up, it is 100% straight & heterosexual to smash "her", so who cares?
This only applies to 0.1% of trans, maybe less. I don't even think Blaire White really passes once you consider "her" stocky figure & husky voice.
If a magician could turn a rabbit into a perfect replica of Sydney Sweeney, we would all smash & not be like "eww but that's technically bestiality".
If Terry Crews & Keith David were like "I was born white" at some point you just have to be impressed & be like "ok you got me, you deserve the W".
Look at the pic below. Men just don't have figures & curves like that. You can go on porn sites & look up the top trans porn stars. They're all stocky or at least straight waisted.
Honestly my take is that I don't believe she's a dude (I didn't see her irl though) & I'm not sure why some people are convinced otherwise.Would you guys buy fake rolexes that are so good, you can't tell? Even at a discount? Unless there's something I don't know about trannys, the surgery they go through changes their chest and crotch area mainly. The face and head is basically just hair and makeup that any man can do. Part of what the people have done with amy is dfk and BBBJ. Would any of you knowingly get dfk or BBBJ from a regular non tranny man with amazing hair and makeup on to look like a female?
I did see her and I'm extremely bothered by this.
DumbDonald
03-06-24, 17:55
Can we move on to a new topic of HYA in OC instead of all this tranny talk?
I haven't figured what my workaround is going to be yet. Maybe I turn it off and call it a "glitch. " But then we have location sharing on our phones too, which I turn off when I'm hobbying. The phone and the car can't both have glitches at the same time.
My other thought is get a burner phone and leave my regular phone in my office when I'm out, then the car can have a little glitch. The only thing I'd have to explain there is why it took me 2 hours to respond to a text.
Certainly get a burner phone, but one option that might work for you is a modified Faraday Cage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
If you turn off the tracking, I think it will show that you turned it off no?
Many potato chip and other bags have an aluminum lining.
Put your phone in a clean potato chip or other bag, seal it (test it first) and with a little trial and error, you can have a non-descript faraday cage.
Easy to explain away such a snack bag in your car.
Can't help with the automotive tracking, sorry.
Certainly get a burner phone, but one option that might work for you is a modified Faraday Cage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
If you turn off the tracking, I think it will show that you turned it off no?
Many potato chip and other bags have an aluminum lining.
Put your phone in a clean potato chip or other bag, seal it (test it first) and with a little trial and error, you can have a non-descript faraday cage.
Easy to explain away such a snack bag in your car.
Can't help with the automotive tracking, sorry.Oh yeah, Faraday bags are easy to come by. Good ones are expensive, but as you say you can use a foil lined pouch and it will likely work. That part is the least of my worries though. I could always just get a burner phone to take with me on hobby trips and leave my normal phone behind so it looks like I'm where I should be. If the wife happens to text me while I'm out it's easy to explain that away. I was busy and didn't see the text notification.
The bigger concern is of course the vehicle tracking. For that I'll just have to create an alibi for being wherever I am. I had a meeting in that area or something, and then I park the car in some un-suspicious location and take an uber from there if I have to. It's going to take some creativity but I'll figure it out.
Yes, when you disable tracking on either a car or a phone it usually shows that tracking has been turned off. Fortunately I don't think my wife really tracks me, other than to occasionally see if I'm on my way home from somewhere. But with us getting a second Tesla, there's always the possibility that she decides to drive somewhere for lunch (she rarely does), and then if she opens the app she will very likely see that the other car is at some unexpected location. That's where the trouble starts. I think the only solution to that is to not take the car to said "unexpected location. ".
I wasn't even aware you could turn it off. If anyone has a way to get around the Tesla tracking, please share the knowledge.
I recently saw it could be disabled if you were in dangerous relationship, but I wasn't able to find it in the settings. Could be country specific.From what I read, Go to Controls / Settings / Safety & Security and turn off Mobile Access. The issue with this is you disable tracking AND all Mobile Access to all devices, including your phone. You'll need to use the Tesla Key Card to start the car. Not sure if this is all that useful. Seems like this is a real issue for guys with SO's.
Any other ideas?
From what I read, Go to Controls / Settings / Safety & Security and turn off Mobile Access. The issue with this is you disable tracking AND all Mobile Access to all devices, including your phone. You'll need to use the Tesla Key Card to start the car. Not sure if this is all that useful. Seems like this is a real issue for guys with SO's.
Any other ideas?Yeah, that's exactly what you do. BUT it shows on the app that you disabled tracking. Maybe if I leave my phone behind and take a burner with me in case I need to make a call, then I could on rare occasion get away with saying it was a glitch that turned tracking off and hope my wife doesn't bother doing the research to figure out that getting that message on the app indicates that I purposely turned it off. It's a little dicey though. Definitely if tracking on the car and the phone were both turned off it would be suspicious as hell, so I'm thinking maybe the "leave the phone behind" idea is the best solution. Either that, or as I said in an earlier post, just create an alibi of having an off-location meeting somewhere, and then make sure to park the car in a location that doesn't draw suspicions. I certainly wouldn't be having a business meeting in a Motel 6, or on the corner of Magnolia and Westminster.
Domelike2020
03-07-24, 02:14
Yeah, that's exactly what you do. BUT it shows on the app that you disabled tracking. Maybe if I leave my phone behind and take a burner with me in case I need to make a call, then I could on rare occasion get away with saying it was a glitch that turned tracking off and hope my wife doesn't bother doing the research to figure out that getting that message on the app indicates that I purposely turned it off. It's a little dicey though. Definitely if tracking on the car and the phone were both turned off it would be suspicious as hell, so I'm thinking maybe the "leave the phone behind" idea is the best solution. Either that, or as I said in an earlier post, just create an alibi of having an off-location meeting somewhere, and then make sure to park the car in a location that doesn't draw suspicions. I certainly wouldn't be having a business meeting in a Motel 6, or on the corner of Magnolia and Westminster.Can Sentry be enabled with tracking disabled?
You'll need to park somewhere the cameras won't catch you.
Can Sentry be enabled with tracking disabled?
You'll need to park somewhere the cameras won't catch you.Yeah, another good point. Teslas are freaking loaded with cameras. Even more the reason to park in a place that doesn't raise suspicions, like a Target parking lot or something like that. It may require some Uber rides.
. The last thing I need is for my wife to open the app and see that the other car is in Little Saigon or at some random hotel. It's possible to turn that off, but when you turn it off the app shows that you turned it off. That throws a bit of a wrench into this hobby for me. I haven't figured what my workaround is going to be yet. Maybe I turn it off and call it a "glitch. " But then we have location sharing on our phones too, which I turn off when I'm hobbying. The phone and the car can't both have glitches at the same time.
My other thought is get a burner phone and leave my regular phone in my office when I'm out, then the car can have a little glitch. The only thing I'd have to explain there is why it took me 2 hours to respond to a text.
Technology giveth and technology taketh away.If I'm visiting a hotel I make sure it is next to a place I might visit.
Next to a Costco or business office or something. Or fast food joint.
Not only does it give an alibi but also hides your car from possible problems from the visit. (Boyfriend or popo etc).
So no hotel circle or Grove motel.
Yeah, another good point. Teslas are freaking loaded with cameras. Even more the reason to park in a place that doesn't raise suspicions, like a Target parking lot or something like that. It may require some Uber rides.Sounds like Uber is the way to go.
Yeah, another good point. Teslas are freaking loaded with cameras. Even more the reason to park in a place that doesn't raise suspicions, like a Target parking lot or something like that. It may require some Uber rides.On HX, there is a KHouse in Tustin that's across a 6 lane street that has Costco, Lowe's and a Target.
I ALWAYS park across that street, allow for a bit of extra time to walk over.
Complex is gated, but so far, I have yet to do anything more than slow down, or speed up my walking speed to match an opening or closing gate.
Note to self, never buy a Tesla.
Note to self, never buy a Tesla.Well my friend, I hate to break it to you, but most new cars these days are trackable and have cameras. You take the good with the bad.
It's kind of like the good ol' days. I'm aging myself here, but back in the days before the internet and email, you'd be waiting for something to arrive at work that you needed to work on. FedEx overnight delivery was a thing, but that usually meant you had today to screw around because the package you needed wouldn't arrive until tomorrow. And if you were lucky, they missed the FedEx pickup so you also had tomorrow to screw around. Now everything is instant, so you lose your time for screwing around. You have to get right on it and get it done today. Good news / bad news.
Well my friend, I hate to break it to you, but most new cars these days are trackable and have cameras. You take the good with the bad.
.So true you are, with the navigation systems and all the nice bells & whistles, how right you are, I was saying that more in jest than anything.
But seriously. Good point to all of us with others in our lives that we collectively need be mindful of things.
My "newest" car (I generally don't buy new) is a 2018 truck, and yeah, it will keep track of where you park, but also I regularly drive a 2004 SUV & a late 90's muscle car. So I can mix it up.
Point to the group is be careful when you go hobby. And don't share that Uber account with your spouse.
So true you are, with the navigation systems and all the nice bells & whistles, how right you are, I was saying that more in jest than anything.
But seriously. Good point to all of us with others in our lives that we collectively need be mindful of things.
My "newest" car (I generally don't buy new) is a 2018 truck, and yeah, it will keep track of where you park, but also I regularly drive a 2004 SUV & a late 90's muscle car. So I can mix it up.
Point to the group is be careful when you go hobby. And don't share that Uber account with your spouse.I used to be like you. Not buy new cars. For many years I bought used rental cars. The rental companies would put 20 k miles on them and sell them for a fraction of new price. There were some great deals to be had out there. My car that just died was a 2009 former Avis rental car. Now, rental car companies put 60 k miles on them and sell them for almost new price. It's insane and not really worth buying used in this day and age at least.
Lift Her Up
03-08-24, 18:03
Do any of you have experience getting PrEP at the OC Health Care Agency (or whatever it's called)? Or is there a better way to get it in OC? I can't go to any of my regular doctors, because they might leak to my SO, who declines to have sex with me. I'm getting so old that condoms are a real barrier, in more ways than one.
Lift Her Up.
All this talk about newer vehicles, why not buy a 'weekend vehicle', driven occasionally, that has no tracking? Could be, a sports car from your youth, or just a beater with a heater pickup to haul shit around?
Seems like the cleanest and surest way to avoid any accidental location disclosure.
All this talk about newer vehicles, why not buy a 'weekend vehicle', driven occasionally, that has no tracking? Could be, a sports car from your youth, or just a beater with a heater pickup to haul shit around?
Seems like the cleanest and surest way to avoid any accidental location disclosure.In my situation, we just got rid of our last gas-powered vehicle. Literally, what we aren't paying in gas every month is a car payment on one of the other vehicles. We ordered the second Tesla with a trailer hitch installed for that exact purpose. Hauling shit, since the vehicle that just died is the one that we used to haul shit. Now it's just a matter of grabbing a $15/ day UHaul trailer and we can haul all the shit we want. I'd never be able to convince the wife that we needed another car for any reason.
A pickup truck isn't a bad idea though if you can pull it off. Definitely solves the problem.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-08-24, 22:12
Yeah, another good point. Teslas are freaking loaded with cameras. Even more the reason to park in a place that doesn't raise suspicions, like a Target parking lot or something like that. It may require some Uber rides.Park at target and have a small collapsible scooter in the trunk to go half a mile down the road.
Plasma Spray
03-08-24, 23:43
I am old school gas. Do not give crap about what thw wife wants not. It is MY car.
I am old school gas. Do not give crap about what thw wife wants not. It is MY car.I'm personally loving not having to pay for gas. Saving about $350/ month on that alone, plus no oil changes or any other maintenance associated with an engine. And I have solar on my house so the electricity to charge the two cars is basically free. EV life certainly isn't for everyone though.
I like to use my two trip comparison. Trip #1 - We drove to Monterey a few years ago for a little getaway. For that trip we rented a Nissan Rougue. From OC we had to stop for gas in Lost Hills. We had lunch during that stop, so we were stopped for around 45 minutes between gas and lunch. A tank of gas cost about $75. We hit some traffic and had to stop to top off the tank just south of the Monterey Bay Area. We figured we could have made it to our hotel but we'd be on fumes, so we played it safe. That fuel stop was about $60. We all had to take a leak so we went to the Starbucks across the street to do that and get drinks. About a 20 minute stop. So in total, two stops, a little more than an hour between them, and $135 in fuel.
Trip #2 was a year later in a Tesla. Same stop in Lost Hills. The difference this time was we went to the supercharger and plugged in, then walked down the street for lunch while it was charging. Still was about a 45 minute stop, and the cost of the super charge was $14. Same pee stop as the last trip for the same reason (traffic and didn't want to sweat the last few miles.) Did a 20 minute charge top-off, walked over to the same Starbucks while it was charging, and the top-off cost was about. $8. So as compared to the last trip in a gas car, about the same total travel time, but $22 in "fuel" cost vs $135 in the gas car.
Again, I do recognize that it's not the end all solution for everyone, so I'm not trying to start an EV vs gas car debate. I love being gas free, but it comes with the obvious drawback of being trackable in this case. I'll figure out a workaround for that.
FarFarAway
03-10-24, 14:07
Well my friend, I hate to break it to you, but most new cars these days are trackable and have cameras. You take the good with the bad.
It's kind of like the good ol' days. I'm aging myself here, but back in the days before the internet and email, you'd be waiting for something to arrive at work that you needed to work on. FedEx overnight delivery was a thing, but that usually meant you had today to screw around because the package you needed wouldn't arrive until tomorrow. And if you were lucky, they missed the FedEx pickup so you also had tomorrow to screw around. Now everything is instant, so you lose your time for screwing around. You have to get right on it and get it done today. Good news / bad news.Your dilemma reminds me of another prominent poster on this site. On the Richmond sugar thread, a de facto national place to post. Handle was JZLizard. Really authoritative, and a deep thinker. However, he had a SO, and he said he never sugar dated unless he was out of town, or she was. In the post-pandemic world where we travel for business less than we used to, I am sure this cut into his FC trips. Of course he was also banging the warden still, and had some philosophical questions about sugaring that were interesting to read. For whatever reason, he stopped posting completely. Perhaps he decided to get out of the sugar bowl as he often threatened.
I happen to have a business trip to a well-known party town starting Friday, I am super happy to get some time away for free play. Hope to have a lot to report.
Your dilemma reminds me of another prominent poster on this site. On the Richmond sugar thread, a de facto national place to post. Handle was JZLizard. Really authoritative, and a deep thinker. However, he had a SO, and he said he never sugar dated unless he was out of town, or she was. In the post-pandemic world where we travel for business less than we used to, I am sure this cut into his FC trips. Of course he was also banging the warden still, and had some philosophical questions about sugaring that were interesting to read. For whatever reason, he stopped posting completely. Perhaps he decided to get out of the sugar bowl as he often threatened.
I happen to have a business trip to a well-known party town starting Friday, I am super happy to get some time away for free play. Hope to have a lot to report.Yeah, I used to travel a lot, for a lot of years. By a lot I mean 8-10 overseas trips a year with about 79% of those to Asia and the other 30% to Europe. There was some domestic travel in there as well, and some Canada, but the bulk was overseas. I did all of my mongering away from home. What we have available to us locally is shit compared to what you can get in most other countries, so I'd just wait for my next trip to get my pipes cleaned. But then I suddenly lost my corporate job and decided to start my own business. Now I rarely travel without the wife, and certainly don't go overseas without her. I've had to learn to make do with what we can get around here, and nothing really measures up.
I imagine I'll slow down a bit, but I don't see myself stopping completely. It's going to take a lot more effort and expense for me to cover my tracks now, so if I'm going to have some extracurricular fun it has to be worth it.
FarFarAway
03-13-24, 11:16
In my situation, we just got rid of our last gas-powered vehicle. Literally, what we aren't paying in gas every month is a car payment on one of the other vehicles. We ordered the second Tesla with a trailer hitch installed for that exact purpose. Hauling shit, since the vehicle that just died is the one that we used to haul shit. Now it's just a matter of grabbing a $15/ day UHaul trailer and we can haul all the shit we want. I'd never be able to convince the wife that we needed another car for any reason.
A pickup truck isn't a bad idea though if you can pull it off. Definitely solves the problem.I was behind a Tesla the other day that had this bumper sticker:
I bought this before we knew Elon is crazy.
On my way to the AMP there's a car accident in the intersection. Cars everywhere. I park 3 blocks down and walk to AMP. I have the sickness. I would have walked even further if needed. The little head out thinking the big head. Keep mongering my fellow mongers!
BraveNuPengwin
03-17-24, 19:59
I've come across that a lot of the Chinese girls you encounter have baby stretch marks or reveal they have a baby or child in China. What's going on an epidemic of single moms?
I've come across that a lot of the Chinese girls you encounter have baby stretch marks or reveal they have a baby or child in China. What's going on an epidemic of single moms?They partied in China and got knocked up by a dude who she thought was her savor. LOL.
After, she got preggo she found out she was just another weekend gal or weekly gal used for free s*x by a wealthy China dude.
China has some serious party locations just like Miami and NYC.
I've come across that a lot of the Chinese girls you encounter have baby stretch marks or reveal they have a baby or child in China. What's going on an epidemic of single moms?Many of the Chinese girls I've run across at Believe, when it was around, had C-Section scars. Most, a very good job, can barely tell if its a scar or just a mark left by tight clothing.
I've come across that a lot of the Chinese girls you encounter have baby stretch marks or reveal they have a baby or child in China. What's going on an epidemic of single moms?90 day Fiance rejects. These girls need do some workouts so they can bounce everything back in place FFS.
I found a potential solution. There are some car sharing apps out there where you can rent cars from other people for a couple hours. The two most prominent ones are Zipcar and Getaround. Zipcar isn't very prominent in SoCal. It's huge in the Bay Area but not so much down here, but there are a few areas that have Zipcar nearby. Getaround seems to be a little more prominent down here. There is a location (a private house) within walking distance of my work where I can rent a vehicle for 3 hours for $15-20. They are "remote rentals" where the app unlocks the car for you, so you don't have to interact with anybody. It's just pay the fee via the app and return the car with the same amount of fuel that you picked it up with. It's of course an additional step to throw up a smoke screen, but in the instances where I have to drive to areas that I just can't risk getting caught in it should do the trick.
Of course there's always Uber, but Uber to most locations that I have historically frequented would add $75-80 to the cost of the field trip, which makes it not worth it. The car share thing might be just what the doctor ordered.
James D 2004
03-26-24, 13:17
The beater car that I was driving around town finally bit the dust. It needs $3000 in repairs and it's only worth $1600 KBB value so I'm not fixing it. Ironically it broke down just as I was pulling into my neighborhood after some hobby fun. If it had broken down 20-30 minutes earlier I would have had a fun time explaining to family why I needed to be towed from Little Saigon, so dodged a bullet there. Wife and I already knew we were on borrowed time with that car (15 years and 200 k miles) and decided a long time ago that we would replace it with a second Tesla when the time came. Well the time has come and we're abojt to become a completely gas free household.
Awesome, except Teslas are trackable. The last thing I need is for my wife to open the app and see that the other car is in Little Saigon or at some random hotel. It's possible to turn that off, but when you turn it off the app shows that you turned it off. That throws a bit of a wrench into this hobby for me. I haven't figured what my workaround is going to be yet. Maybe I turn it off and call it a "glitch. " But then we have location sharing on our phones too, which I turn off when I'm hobbying. The phone and the car can't both have glitches at the same time.The GPS receiver of the M3 is in the rearview mirror. There are instructions on the internet to remove it. You should be able to block it with a faraday bag. Or tape the whole thing temporarily with copper tape. Aluminum tape needs a lot more layers. Test that and then find out if the car uses cell signals to triangulate. You should be able to block the antennas too.
The GPS signal is rather easy to jam. But it's highly illegal. You can buy from overseas but you have to find one supplier to trust.
FarFarAway
03-26-24, 13:23
I found a potential solution. There are some car sharing apps out there where you can rent cars from other people for a couple hours. The two most prominent ones are Zipcar and Getaround. Zipcar isn't very prominent in SoCal. It's huge in the Bay Area but not so much down here, but there are a few areas that have Zipcar nearby. Getaround seems to be a little more prominent down here. There is a location (a private house) within walking distance of my work where I can rent a vehicle for 3 hours for $15-20. They are "remote rentals" where the app unlocks the car for you, so you don't have to interact with anybody. It's just pay the fee via the app and return the car with the same amount of fuel that you picked it up with. It's of course an additional step to throw up a smoke screen, but in the instances where I have to drive to areas that I just can't risk getting caught in it should do the trick.
Of course there's always Uber, but Uber to most locations that I have historically frequented would add $75-80 to the cost of the field trip, which makes it not worth it. The car share thing might be just what the doctor ordered.You do have to give your accurate personal info to do this, of course. And it bills onto your personal credit card? Or can you use a prepaid debit?
From what I read, Go to Controls / Settings / Safety & Security and turn off Mobile Access. The issue with this is you disable tracking AND all Mobile Access to all devices, including your phone. You'll need to use the Tesla Key Card to start the car. Not sure if this is all that useful. Seems like this is a real issue for guys with SO's.
Any other ideas?Mobile data access is disabled but you can still use phone as a key via bluetooth. It's only when the phone is out of bluetooth range, is the mobile data access unable to remotely control and open the car.
Mobile data access is disabled but you can still use phone as a key via bluetooth. It's only when the phone is out of bluetooth range, is the mobile data access unable to remotely control and open the car.You can also just use the keycard to unlock and drive the car.
Last week Tesla had an outage and Maps w / traffic updates was disabled, also I wasn't able to remotely turn on the climate control or check the cameras remotely. I spent some time troubleshooting the car, rebooted, etc. Finally submitted a service request as advised by the troubleshooting steps. Got a message later letting me know there was an outage. I mentioned that they should have broadcasted a text message so we don't waste our time trying to figure out what's wrong.
You can also just use the keycard to unlock and drive the car.
Last week Tesla had an outage and Maps w / traffic updates was disabled, also I wasn't able to remotely turn on the climate control or check the cameras remotely. I spent some time troubleshooting the car, rebooted, etc. Finally submitted a service request as advised by the troubleshooting steps. Got a message later letting me know there was an outage. I mentioned that they should have broadcasted a text message so we don't waste our time trying to figure out what's wrong.Wow, I didn't even know that. I've owned one Tesla for a year and a half and just got the second one this month and have never seen an outage like that. I was in Europe last week so I missed it.
Once again, the thing with turning off mobile access is that the app indicates that mobile access has been disabled. If your SO looks at the app she might wonder why access has been disabled and try to figure out where you are. We have family location tracking on our iphones turned on as well. When I go on a field trip I turn that off and it's easy to explain that away as a glitch, but it wouldn't be easy to explain both the phone and the car tracking having glitches at the same time. This is the downside of technology. The benefits greatly outweigh the downsides though, at least in my situation. I'm not missing gas stations, oil changes, or any other engine maintenance one bit.
We have family location tracking on our iphones turned on as well. When I go on a field trip I turn that off and it's easy to explain that away as a glitch, but it wouldn't be easy to explain both the phone and the car tracking having glitches at the same time. This is the downside of technology. The benefits greatly outweigh the downsides though, at least in my situation. I'm not missing gas stations, oil changes, or any other engine maintenance one bit.One idea on the family tracking on the iPhones, get another burner iphone, no service, just wifi. With that burner, use that for location services. If you're at the office, just leave the burner there, and nothing to explain.
I work from home, so have no place to leave a burner, hmmm, maybe the gym. You get the idea, make the burner the locatable phone, then just blame Apple for the glitch.
The GPS signal is rather easy to jam. But it's highly illegal. You can buy from overseas but you have to find one supplier to trust.I've not heard that before (outside of Farrari), why would it be illegal to make any modifications to property you own? Especially if you own it outright (no finance, you have pinkslip).
People modify their cars all the time, it's a multimillion dollar industry. Engine, suspension, interior, electronics, if you can dream it, there is likely products out there to make it happen, why would modification of the GPS be any different?
Not trying to be an asshat, just curious as it's a new one on me.
I've not heard that before (outside of Farrari), why would it be illegal to make any modifications to property you own? Especially if you own it outright (no finance, you have pinkslip).
People modify their cars all the time, it's a multimillion dollar industry. Engine, suspension, interior, electronics, if you can dream it, there is likely products out there to make it happen, why would modification of the GPS be any different?
Not trying to be an asshat, just curious as it's a new one on me.I think it has more to do with jamming signals than modifying the vehicle. Signal jammers are illegal as hell. Modifying a vehicle may void the warranty but isn't illegal.
James D 2004
03-26-24, 21:24
There are gps spoofing apps on both iPhones and Android.
You can setup call and message forwarding if you leave the phone somewhere you are not. There are legit apps like teamwork to control the phone remotely like sending a message.
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DarkRoomDaddy
03-31-24, 12:18
I've not heard that before (outside of Farrari), why would it be illegal to make any modifications to property you own? Especially if you own it outright (no finance, you have pinkslip).
People modify their cars all the time, it's a multimillion dollar industry. Engine, suspension, interior, electronics, if you can dream it, there is likely products out there to make it happen, why would modification of the GPS be any different?
Not trying to be an asshat, just curious as it's a new one on me.Seems like a simple matter. If you can locate the antenna just wrap it in some tin foil.
Another idea is to go to a gym and lock your phone in the locker, then take off for recreation and come back. Possibly with a scooter or bike kept in the trunk.
Seems like a simple matter. If you can locate the antenna just wrap it in some tin foil.
Another idea is to go to a gym and lock your phone in the locker, then take off for recreation and come back. Possibly with a scooter or bike kept in the trunk.In a lot of modern vehicles, finding the antenna isn't that easy, much less wrapping them in foil. Teslas use a combination of GPs, cellular, and WiFi for their navigation and location sharing. The cellular antennas are in the side mirror housings. The GPS antenna is in the front camera assembly which is in the rear view mirror on the windshield. WiFi antennas are also embedded in the side view mirrors. You'd pretty much have to wrap the whole car in foil to block anything, or use an illegal signal jammer. I'm not even sure how well those signal jammers actually work. I've never actually tried one.
James D 2004
04-02-24, 14:14
In a lot of modern vehicles, finding the antenna isn't that easy, much less wrapping them in foil. Teslas use a combination of GPs, cellular, and WiFi for their navigation and location sharing. The cellular antennas are in the side mirror housings. The GPS antenna is in the front camera assembly which is in the rear view mirror on the windshield. WiFi antennas are also embedded in the side view mirrors. You'd pretty much have to wrap the whole car in foil to block anything, or use an illegal signal jammer. I'm not even sure how well those signal jammers actually work. I've never actually tried one.The mirrors aren't that difficult to cover on and off using soft Faraday bags or paper / cloth bags on copper tape. The reason that the antennas are out in the mirrors in the first place is that a steel pan with a steel cover is excellent for blocking any signals. Putting the mirrors in bags as far as they go may work. I doubt if cars use cell signals and wifi to get locations because you have to pay for cell signals. You can also opt not paying for wifi in a Tesla.
It's not far-fetched to cover the whole car with a car cover. Either you use soft materials for the Faraday bags. A car cover and a roll of copper tape don't cost that much. The satellite GPS signals will certainly have trouble penetrating the ground. Park your car in a paid place to avoid people taking the cover off.
The mirrors aren't that difficult to cover on and off using soft Faraday bags or paper / cloth bags on copper tape. The reason that the antennas are out in the mirrors in the first place is that a steel pan with a steel cover is excellent for blocking any signals. Putting the mirrors in bags as far as they go may work. I doubt if cars use cell signals and wifi to get locations because you have to pay for cell signals. You can also opt not paying for wifi in a Tesla.
It's not far-fetched to cover the whole car with a car cover. Either you use soft materials for the Faraday bags. A car cover and a roll of copper tape don't cost that much. The satellite GPS signals will certainly have trouble penetrating the ground. Park your car in a paid place to avoid people taking the cover off.Tesla uses LTE for navigation, live maps, music streaming, and internet connectivity. That is all part of the premium connectivity package that you pay $9. 99/ month for. You can of course skip that, but the car is virtually freaking worthless without it. Well ok, you can live with out it, but that big nav screen without connectivity is just wasted space, and if you're taking longer road trips that navigation is essential since it knows the state of your vehicle in real time and where the superchargers are.
Driving with faraday bags over the mirrors isn't very practical, especially if you're trying to do something on the sly. The only real solution is to disable the mobile connectivity when you're on one of your special field trips, but then again anyone with access to the app can see that you disabled it.
Best solution IMO is to just not take the car anywhere that would be incriminating if someone with access to your app found you there. If that means parking somewhere innocuous and taking an uber, so be it.
James D 2004
04-02-24, 21:12
Tesla uses LTE for navigation, live maps, music streaming, and internet connectivity. That is all part of the premium connectivity package that you pay $9. 99/ month for. You can of course skip that, but the car is virtually freaking worthless without it. Well ok, you can live with out it, but that big nav screen without connectivity is just wasted space, and if you're taking longer road trips that navigation is essential since it knows the state of your vehicle in real time and where the superchargers are.
Driving with faraday bags over the mirrors isn't very practical, especially if you're trying to do something on the sly. The only real solution is to disable the mobile connectivity when you're on one of your special field trips, but then again anyone with access to the app can see that you disabled it.
Best solution IMO is to just not take the car anywhere that would be incriminating if someone with access to your app found you there. If that means parking somewhere innocuous and taking an uber, so be it.If you don't pay for premium, the free standard connectivity still works for navigation for 8 years. Theoretically, it could still connect to cell towers and use triangulation to get the location. It's not difficult to disable the LTE antenna. For a hobby with a going rate of $300 to $800 an hour, everything is possible. Wrapping with plastic and then copper tape will work if you leave out the heat sinks for air.
A Tesla can get an internet connection via wifi from a phone hotspot. It can be set up permanently with a dedicated phone. Most junks should work on the Tesla; they just need a data connection.
The OP appears to be a parking problem. Indeed you have to hide the location of the car while traveling. So you can take out the GPS antenna too. There are many gadgets to plug into the USB or connect wirelessly for navigation. I used a single Android phone app to run Android Auto on the Tesla screen via a phone hotspot connected to the Tesla browser. It's pretty much the same as other Android autos. There are carplay apps too. You can also set it up with a dedicated phone. There's no possible way for the car to get the location from the app.
It's not difficult to disable the GPS antenna in the rearview mirror on and off. Just find something to cover up the whole mirror with metal, hard or soft, and stick a mirror in front of it.
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