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DarkRoomDaddy
08-01-22, 13:50
From my experience, Chinese women from mainland China are the most frugal. One of the mp girls that I took out for dinner at Denny's was the first time she ever went to a non-Chinese restaurant in her five years in the USA! Also, she visited restaurants maybe once a year. She was very hesitant to "date" her clients and it took me a long time wooing her.
On the contrary, I have dated a Japanese woman who worked at a mp a few years ago. Taking her out was really feeling like going out on a date with a civvy. And I spent money the same way it would be for taking any other civvy girl out. She was used to the finer things in life and spent a good bit of her income on those. She was not as bad as the Viet chick described below but she was like a normal young lady who loved to live life.I went out with a Chinese woman and came to her home to pick her up. She asked if I wanted a snack, and I think I said no, but she proceeded to give me some cheap cookie that was being stored in a container that been a dog food container. Repurposed I hope. She did not serve it on a plate or a napkin. She had some of that junk mail for super market clip ads, and she served the cookie on that junk mail. The house itself in San Gabriel, had been illegally modified so that the living room was used as a bedroom with each room rented out to a different lady. I helped her buy something, and she wasted an hour of my time to get a $20 discount to the point I offered to just give her the fucking $20 rather than listen to anymore of this bullshit. Later her mail in her room fell on the floor, and I saw a bank statement that she had $90,000 in the bank.
I think most of the guys said, "Who's Felix Unger. " I'd say Tony Randall but that won't help. How about a separate thread for AMP Bathrooms.
On a separate topic, has anyone tracked down the YZ girls that left? Bella, Cindy, Nancy, Grace or Coco? Now that was a nice bathroom.If you had such a great relationship with these girls at YZ, why didn't they tell you where they went, while some mongers know exactly where they are. Just let them be and stop tracking them down, the same way you did with Wendy SH and a few others. God damn it's easy to spot you, Mountbaldy, no matter how many times you change monikers.
Sexaholic777
08-02-22, 18:44
It's pretty hilarious that people believe these obvious fantasies about dating the women from AMPs.
These girls / women don't date. They have husbands and children. So yup too funny!
PeterGuzinya
08-02-22, 19:11
If you had such a great relationship with these girls at YZ, why didn't they tell you where they went, while some mongers know exactly where they are. Just let them be and stop tracking them down, the same way you did with Wendy SH and a few others. God damn it's easy to spot you, Mountbaldy, no matter how many times you change monikers.What are you talking about? MountBaldy? Someone on this thread said kevin80 is spicycurry. Not sure about that but I'll ignore you.
But I would like to hear if anyone knows about the YZ girls. I hear Grace opened a shop and that Nancy and Cindy did too. Maybe your pal MountBaldy can let us know if he's as close to them as you say. They covered the peepholes. Still a solid massage from tiny Amy but no play time. Cici at 1 by 1 is fun but closing in on 50. Eclat on Harbor has some expensive 40 year old Viets. Nice HJ but pricey. Wanted 80 for a jack with touching. The stocky one (sorry can't remember her name) settled for 50 if I'd keep my hand to herself. Took ten minutes. She should have let me touch.
Seeking Sex
08-02-22, 23:48
It's pretty hilarious that people believe these obvious fantasies about dating the women from AMPs.
These girls / women don't date. They have husbands and children. So yup too funny!I am sure some of the AMP women I have gone out with have husbands and children because they have told me so. That does not mean they don't enjoy going out with a man who showers them with attention and treats them well. Including a nice dinner.
In civvy life, women with husbands and children sometimes date other men. As in having affairs / flings.
I am not sure why it is funny when an AMP woman who is married goes out with another man.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-03-22, 01:38
It's pretty hilarious that people believe these obvious fantasies about dating the women from AMPs.
These girls / women don't date. They have husbands and children. So yup too funny!But if you have dated civvy Chinese women, they are often equally interested in your income, as the AMP girls. Its sleazy in our view, but its natural in their culture. You see cute Chinese girls with ugly but rich Chinese guys all day long. Do you think those hot chicks are madly in love with the Chinese nerd? So the entire concept of love is different.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-03-22, 01:57
If you had such a great relationship with these girls at YZ, why didn't they tell you where they went, while some mongers know exactly where they are. Just let them be and stop tracking them down, the same way you did with Wendy SH and a few others. God damn it's easy to spot you, Mountbaldy, no matter how many times you change monikers.Admin2 recently said not to talk about other guys, and just to talk about interactions with girls. So I was wondering if you can reveal your secret. You have repeatedly made strong personal attacks toward the guy you call MountBaldy for a couple of weeks now. On the other hand, I have had messages deleted just for joking that a guy who said Andy had no boobs was blind. Even though I am not the target of the attack, its a downer seeing someone go so far out of their way to reveal personal details from someone who once helped them and considered them a friend. And more than one girl at BW has been in tears thanks your comments, so do you feel that is productive in any sense for this group, for the hobby, or for the girls?
DarkRoomDaddy
08-03-22, 09:45
I am sure some of the AMP women I have gone out with have husbands and children because they have told me so. That does not mean they don't enjoy going out with a man who showers them with attention and treats them well. Including a nice dinner.
In civvy life, women with husbands and children sometimes date other men. As in having affairs / flings.
I am not sure why it is funny when an AMP woman who is married goes out with another man.Its hard to tell. We as Americans see through our own cultural lense. There are plenty of groups in the US, who see all these girls as exploited slave labor. Because what woman in her right mind would enjoy giving pleasure to men all day? Even we men, tend to be romantic, caring, etc. At our best. And we think in those terms. I read a study published in the OC Register a few years ago which found that even amongst American women, they tend to rate money as an important factor more than love, whereas men ranked love. It was kinda the opposite of the stereotypes you might assume.
I have been dating and fucking Chinese women for several decades. Most of them outside of the MP arena. Normal women. Whereas an American woman might cheat because she was not getting her emotional needs met, or she got turned on by some guy with big muscles or a cute ass. Chinese women seem to cheat for financial reasons or some other material advantage. I have seen Chinese women cheat to get money, to have an ex buy them a house, to upgrade their current man to one with more money. And these are not poor girls pulling dicks. These are women who houses, drive Mercedes and Lexus's.
They are laser focused on money in a way that boggles my mind. And its not that they are of lower moral quality. Its their entire society. People make money selling food products that are poisonous. They build buildings and bridges that collapse. They cheat each other all the time.
It must be incomprehensible to see what happened yesterday. Where Tiger Woods turned down $700,000,000 to play in that Saudi golf tournament. Just on principle.
So getting back to the topic, I have felt 100% the same as you. Wanting to take them out and treat them like a lady, with respect. But I am not sure they give a fuck. I think its a distraction from from making money, or else they feel they can get some money or stuff from you, or they are cultivating you as a sugar daddy as much as you think you are cultivating them as a relationship of sorts.
Its hard to tell. We as Americans see through our own cultural lense. There are plenty of groups in the US, who see all these girls as exploited slave labor. Because what woman in her right mind would enjoy giving pleasure to men all day? Even we men, tend to be romantic, caring, etc. At our best. And we think in those terms. I read a study published in the OC Register a few years ago which found that even amongst American women, they tend to rate money as an important factor more than love, whereas men ranked love. It was kinda the opposite of the stereotypes you might assume.
I have been dating and fucking Chinese women for several decades. Most of them outside of the MP arena. Normal women. Whereas an American woman might cheat because she was not getting her emotional needs met, or she got turned on by some guy with big muscles or a cute ass. Chinese women seem to cheat for financial reasons or some other material advantage. I have seen Chinese women cheat to get money, to have an ex buy them a house, to upgrade their current man to one with more money. And these are not poor girls pulling dicks. These are women who houses, drive Mercedes and Lexus's.
They are laser focused on money in a way that boggles my mind. And its not that they are of lower moral quality. Its their entire society. People make money selling food products that are poisonous. They build buildings and bridges that collapse. They cheat each other all the time.
It must be incomprehensible to see what happened yesterday. Where Tiger Woods turned down $700,000,000 to play in that Saudi golf tournament. Just on principle.
So getting back to the topic, I have felt 100% the same as you. Wanting to take them out and treat them like a lady, with respect. But I am not sure they give a fuck. I think its a distraction from from making money, or else they feel they can get some money or stuff from you, or they are cultivating you as a sugar daddy as much as you think you are cultivating them as a relationship of sorts.After talking to you a couple years. I realized you know nothing about Asian women, Baldy. Women don't give a fuck that you treat them with respect? Of course they do, but you're an asshole and they can only stand so much of your bullying.
I married a pretty girl in college and few years later she dumped me for an old guy. And my own family sided with her because I was an arrogant asshole. So I know all about that, and tried to improve which you can't or won't do Baldy. You know that you're an asshole and yet somehow it's always the girl's fault. And you now end up with a list of girls who ran to get away from you.
Like I said, stop tracking those girls down. Girls in your past and now the YZ girls. I know Coco well and she's good friends with others there. They all know you and scared of you. There's a reason why they don't tell you where they went, exact same reason as why Wendy SH didn't tell you. But you tracked her down all over southern CA, didn't you? You need to take NO for an answer.
Also don't deny the obvious that you're that new Peter guy. You blasted out a shit load of new PM to your buddies, not even realizing those guys are thoroughly disappointed in you, a few can't even stand your lying ass. A number of messages I've gotten from mongers about you is mind blowing.
SpicyCurry
08-03-22, 16:41
Stop responding to Spicy Curry, you morons!
He is trolling the hell out of all of you just posting random ass stories.
God damn, you guys are dumb.Why would you say that about me? Have you been to Clam Chateau on Bolsa and Brookhurst. Go there and tell me I'm wrong.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-03-22, 17:04
After talking to you a couple years. I realized you know nothing about Asian women, Baldy. Women don't give a fuck that you treat them with respect? Of course they do, but you're an asshole and they can only stand so much of your bullying.
I married a pretty girl in college and few years later she dumped me for an old guy. And my own family sided with her because I was an arrogant asshole. So I know all about that, and tried to improve which you can't or won't do Baldy. You know that you're an asshole and yet somehow it's always the girl's fault. And you now end up with a list of girls who ran to get away from you.
Like I said, stop tracking those girls down. Girls in your past and now the YZ girls. I know Coco well and she's good friends with others there. They all know you and scared of you. There's a reason why they don't tell you where they went, exact same reason as why Wendy SH didn't tell you. But you tracked her down all over southern CA, didn't you? You need to take NO for an answer..I am not Mount Baldy. For the 3rd time. Your ESP is soft and flaccid.
The administrator of this group has repeatedly stated that we should write about our experiences with women, not question other mongers. Your message (s) are a direct personal attack on a fellow monger. Apparently he was your friend and helped you out, and you turned on him for some reason. Can you follow the Admin's directive and simply go on with your life, without subjecting everyone to this vendetta against a guy who helped you.
There was a tv show in the 70's called the Odd Couple. It was based on 1968 American comedy film starring Jack Lemmon and Walter Matthau as two divorced men, neurotic neat-freak Felix Ungar and fun-loving slob Oscar Madison, who decide to live together. The TV show had Tony Randall as Felix Unger. These two are constantly battling with comedic results.
Its funny to think of Felix Unger mongering and seeing a bathroom which is actually clean and yet it not being clean enough. Meanwhile most of the monger are like the other guy and don't give two hoots about doing some intimate things with professionals.
Perhaps someone can make a movie about a modern day version of this with a mongering theme.Everyone likes a clean toilet.
SpicyCurry
08-04-22, 12:11
Each of us have our experience. But I will just say here are some of the things I have NOT seen:
- Any kind of street walking hookers in Costa Mesa.
- a massage provider who was a fat Latinas, skinny Hondurans, so-so Venezuelans, or over-the-hill Cubans working at any AMP in Westminster, Garden Grove, or Costa Mesa.
- a massage provider who was a "VietKong" (sic), Taliban, or Amazonian warrior working at any AMP in Westminster, Garden Grove, or Costa Mesa.
- a massage provider who was a trans-sexual, she-boy, or dude in drag working any AMP in Westminster, Garden Grove, or Costa Mesa.
- a massage provider who was actually a Golden Retriever with a black wig and lipstick.
- a massage provider who was actually two midgets, one standing on the shoulders of the other in a large trench coat..I'm not kidding man, look up Clam or is it Glam Chateau on Bolsa in Westminster. Walk in and you'll get greeted by a sea of Vietkong beauties. Ask for a dickie wax and thank me later.
And I had a tall provider who was actually two midgets. Standing face to face I was able to kiss her and fuck her in the mouth at the same time. You're missing out.
SpicyCurry
08-04-22, 12:48
I heard about a young provider getting more flirty than a simple HJ there, but I had a secret go-to gal who was probably a touch more towards the MILF side of 30. She was normal looking in the face, meaning I gave her an easy 7. 5. God for the life of me I can't remember her name. Nice body. The giveaway was a slightly more permed curl shoulder length hair. Asian, jet black hair, etc.
As far as I know, she was one of two masseuses in that joint who didn't freak out when you pulled down their pants. Better yet, when I pulled down her pants, she allowed me to give her DATY very begrudgingly. That was the magic as she responded like she had never been eaten out in her life and boy did she like it. It was one of the better surprises when I BBFS'd her on at least 5 occasions before she "left to go to school". No idea where she disappeared to, but certainly no reason to visit that place afterwards. I remember the minimall plaza had such shitty parking, I always ended up parking at the big shopping center right next door and having to fucking james bond my way to the joint away from the prying eyes of the parking lot security dudes.What a shocker, DarkPeter is looking for a girl. Calm down Kevin, relax lad.
Six Star is no more but that place is still open. Legit, yah yah, very legit they say, perfect for a legit man to visit for a rub.
You didn't ask pps about CaoNee, you're lying just to bust my balls dude. She tells me her full name is Canima "Cow Nee Ma", maybe pps knows her by that. Total damage was $123, wanted to clear a few bills out of my wallet. The fucking couple next door was all over the place, bed, floor, chasing each other, who knows. CaoNee is new, isn't that bold as some of the old hags that are there.
Upstairs Andy, Linda, Anna, Jessica, Sally, Charlie, Jennifer. All lickie dickie.HAHA. I'm waiting for someone to really ask PPS for "Cow Nee Ma."
SpicyCurry
08-04-22, 17:26
Don't forget Spirals.Cheesedick, I was at Spirals last week. Don't recommend that place, them Chinese girls lie and play games.
Try lucky massage on Bolsa. New mms is fat and ugly but will go out of her way to keep your business. Worth every drop.
SpicyCurry
08-04-22, 18:12
HAHA. I'm waiting for someone to really ask PPS for "Cow Nee Ma."I was just trying to be helpful. DarkDaddy already asked mms at Bamboo and pps at SH for "Cao Nee" and got a strange look from them. He thinks I'm lying so I suggest asking for her "Cao Nee Ma". She's a keeper, a gem at SH, he'll thank me later.
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Seeking Sex
08-05-22, 00:00
I was just trying to be helpful. DarkDaddy already asked mms at Bamboo and pps at SH for "Cao Nee" and got a strange look from them. He thinks I'm lying so I suggest asking for her "Cao Nee Ma". She's a keeper, a gem at SH, he'll thank me later.Cao Ni Ma in Mandarin Chinese can be translated to fuck your mom. Try searching Urban Dictionary and you will see.
I think this is not cool because one can get into really bad trouble, if the audience does not realize the joke behind it.
Sexaholic777
08-05-22, 00:34
Cao Ni Ma in Mandarin Chinese can be translated to fuck your mom. Try searching Urban Dictionary and you will see.
I think this is not cool because one can get into really bad trouble, if the audience does not realize the joke behind it.You guys, clearly this spice dude is messing with you guys.
Cow andée means pick up or to hook up. Andée ma or Ni Ma means. Your momma.
So yah you will get your ass kicked in any Chinese restaurant. If you say these words.
Google translate. Pick up your mom or to hook up with your mamma. And you will see that it's a bad word or pick up line.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-05-22, 09:38
You guys, clearly this spice dude is messing with you guys.
Cow ande means pick up or to hook up. Ande ma or Ni Ma means. Your momma.
So yah you will get your ass kicked in any Chinese restaurant. If you say these words.
Google translate. Pick up your mom or to hook up with your mamma. And you will see that it's a bad word or pick up line.Are you implying that the troll may not have the best of intentions to help us? Notice that he tells us to go one of the few places with a big PPS and tell him to fuck his mother, rather than directing us to a place with a little MMS.
I think we all fully understand the universal concept that FS with mom are not kind words. We have the quaint slang "motherfucker" and in Spanish, you don't even have to say the fuck part, simply "madre" (mother) is bad.
SpicyCurry
08-05-22, 11:18
You guys, clearly this spice dude is messing with you guys.
Cow ande means pick up or to hook up. Ande ma or Ni Ma means. Your momma.
So yah you will get your ass kicked in any Chinese restaurant. If you say these words.
Google translate. Pick up your mom or to hook up with your mamma. And you will see that it's a bad word or pick up line.Why are you people attacking the beautiful name of my new ATF? Clearly a coordinated attack against people from Mainland China by racists defending fat Latinas. Don't hang your hat on Google translator or Urban Dictionary. Nobody wants to "hook up with your Mama", that's sick. I'm seeing CaoNee this morning at 10:00, bet she'll get a laugh when I tell her.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-05-22, 20:24
Why are you people attacking the beautiful name of my new ATF? Clearly a coordinated attack against people from Mainland China by racists defending fat Latinas. Don't hang your hat on Google translator or Urban Dictionary. Nobody wants to "hook up with your Mama", that's sick. I'm seeing CaoNee this morning at 10:00, bet she'll get a laugh when I tell her.Has anyone made a list of all the troll names: RockyBalboa, TopGun, HarryTubman, Tupac, JamesBrown, SpreadEmWide, . I am sure I am forgetting some.
SpicyCurry
08-06-22, 10:36
Not trolling so asking on the stupid shit thread. Is Brittney Griner a man or woman?
DarkRoomDaddy
08-07-22, 02:16
Not trolling so asking on the stupid shit thread. Is Brittney Griner a man or woman?Its always positive to see someone turn over a new leaf and stop trolling. She is a woman, but has a wife, and is stronger and more masculine than you or me.
Lift Her Up
08-07-22, 10:38
. . . and in Spanish, you don't even have to say the fuck part, simply "madre" (mother) is bad.Thanks, I didn't know that. Might save my ass sometime.
Lift Her Up.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-07-22, 11:15
Thanks, I didn't know that. Might save my ass sometime.
Lift Her Up.Slight correction: "Tu madre" is bad ("your mother" I am not Hispanic at all, but Mexicans use different words than others in Latin American and Spain. I believe the Mexican term is "chinge tu madre" ("fuck your mother" I belief if you just want to talk about someone's mother in a nice way, you were to say "tu mama" so as to steer clear of the more offensive formulation. The verb "chingar" is only Mexican, and they sometimes call themselves "hijos de la chingada" ("sons of the fucked") which signifies the innocent indigenous women fucked by the evil Spanish conquistadors rendering the people of Mexico as a mix of conquerors and conquered. There are a lot of Hondurans, Columbians, Cubans, Puerto Ricans and others around too. And they have their own words.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-09-22, 01:19
Not trolling so asking on the stupid shit thread. Is Brittney Griner a man or woman?Its been 2 days, and you seem to have genuinely stopped trolling. That's great, and I think we all appreciate the return to basic reports. Good job Spicy. You have let go of the dark side and come back to the light of happy mongering.
Its been 2 days, and you seem to have genuinely stopped trolling. That's great, and I think we all appreciate the return to basic reports. Good job Spicy. You have let go of the dark side and come back to the light of happy mongering.Maybe he is on his 12 step program?
DarkRoomDaddy
08-12-22, 23:50
Maybe he is on his 12 step program?I am willing to cut him some slack. He seems to have turned over a new leaf, and cleaned up his act. Lets give him credit. Its nice to get the forum back to the business of realistic and legitimate reviews rather than chasing down wild fantasy stories, and endless discussions about towels and bathrooms. We all make mistakes or get into moods. Lets hope he can just contribute productively.
Changing the topic but most of the reviews are for Westminster, Garden Grove and Santa Ana with a smattering of south county. But I have gotten handies in Tustin over there near Rockler Woodworking, Garden Grove off of Harbor and 22, etc. Also near Harbor Freight on Golden West south of 405, and other places near Westminster and Golden West. I even used get quite a bit action in Huntington Beach but LE seems to have run them out of business.
In short, there are so many other places to hit, but there is a laser focus on just a few places. Its kinda strange.
LarryFlynt1978
08-15-22, 02:13
Other cities actually are testosterone eport. Versus talks about their hey days. No wonder other AMPs are losing money over to the over bearingness of Male testosterone up In here. Up In here. Like 2 pac and Dmx said in the hey days. Oh. Ah So. I date this Chinese woman and that Viet Kong gf or oh. I'm special look at me. I bang her. No no no. I banged her first. Oh no o you didn't get that at this or that AMP. For fuck sakes. Give it up. You want to Benz! I'm sure you admins are sick of this too! So go ahead and not post this. I get you want positive vibes. Even if 3/4 of the senior members talk crap to others all day long.
SpicyCurry
08-24-22, 11:22
Other cities actually are testosterone eport. Versus talks about their hey days. No wonder other AMPs are losing money over to the over bearingness of Male testosterone up In here. Up In here. Like 2 pac and Dmx said in the hey days. Oh. Ah So. I date this Chinese woman and that Viet Kong gf or oh. I'm special look at me. I bang her. No no no. I banged her first. Oh no o you didn't get that at this or that AMP. For fuck sakes. Give it up. You want to Benz! I'm sure you admins are sick of this too! So go ahead and not post this. I get you want positive vibes. Even if 3/4 of the senior members talk crap to others all day long.Bald Dark Peter talks like that at day long. Very annoying and he's offensive, attacking the VietKong when they're just trying to earn a living.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-26-22, 10:00
Bald Dark Peter talks like that at day long. Very annoying and he's offensive, attacking the VietKong when they're just trying to earn a living.I was really happy to see you and Larry Flynt / Top Gun / Tupac to phase out the trolling. Its easy to backslide, so lets just breathe deeply, and remember of goal of interacting positively without attacking fellow mongers. You can do it, and we will be rootig for your success.
And as you probably know, "VietKong" is actually spelled "Vietcong", and is deeply offensive to the Vietnamese living in Westminster. Many of their fathers and grandfathers fought the Vietcong, and when they lost, they ended up over here. Many of them might have lost loved ones in that war which cost maybe 3 M lives (about 80 times as many Vietnamese died, as did Americans in that war). To this day, if you look around, you will still see them flying the yellow and red flag of South Vietnam, 40+ years after South Vietnam ceased to exist. It may be a casual slur to you, but is that really necessary? Its not funny or amusing in anyway, and kinda makes you look both heartless and stupid for using that term.
SpicyCurry
08-26-22, 12:39
I was really happy to see you and Larry Flynt / Top Gun / Tupac to phase out the trolling. Its easy to backslide, so lets just breathe deeply, and remember of goal of interacting positively without attacking fellow mongers. You can do it, and we will be rootig for your success.
And as you probably know, "VietKong" is actually spelled "Vietcong", and is deeply offensive to the Vietnamese living in Westminster. Many of their fathers and grandfathers fought the Vietcong, and when they lost, they ended up over here. Many of them might have lost loved ones in that war which cost maybe 3 M lives (about 80 times as many Vietnamese died, as did Americans in that war). To this day, if you look around, you will still see them flying the yellow and red flag of South Vietnam, 40+ years after South Vietnam ceased to exist. It may be a casual slur to you, but is that really necessary? Its not funny or amusing in anyway, and kinda makes you look both heartless and stupid for using that term.I really care Baldy, my heart is just bursting with joy and sadness hearing your lecture about the Kongs. We've pretty much given up hope of you phasing out being a dick. You can't help it, can you? Speaking of CaoNee, I just talked to a couple girls in Costa Mesa last week literally calling you a motherfucker. Even showed me your messages begging Haha.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-26-22, 17:53
I really care Baldy, my heart is just bursting with joy and sadness hearing your lecture about the Kongs. We've pretty much given up hope of you phasing out being a dick. You can't help it, can you? Speaking of CaoNee, I just talked to a couple girls in Costa Mesa last week literally calling you a motherfucker. Even showed me your messages begging Haha.Wow I am shocked and hurt. And I would be even more shocked and hurt if I had any connection to Mount Baldy on that other site.
You were on the right path to clean up your act and stop making a fool of yourself. Lets control the urge to be an idiot and try to participate like a man. Go and pay some money, get some services, and then report back to your new brothers without insulting them and the girls. Wouldn't it be nice to be respected and not laughed at? You can do it.
SpicyCurry
08-27-22, 00:29
Slight correction: "Tu madre" is bad ("your mother" I am not Hispanic at all, but Mexicans use different words than others in Latin American and Spain. I believe the Mexican term is "chinge tu madre" ("fuck your mother" I belief if you just want to talk about someone's mother in a nice way, you were to say "tu mama" so as to steer clear of the more offensive formulation. The verb "chingar" is only Mexican, and they sometimes call themselves "hijos de la chingada" ("sons of the fucked") which signifies the innocent indigenous women fucked by the evil Spanish conquistadors rendering the people of Mexico as a mix of conquerors and conquered. There are a lot of Hondurans, Columbians, Cubans, Puerto Ricans and others around too. And they have their own words.Let's not pretend you care or even a bit interested in Spanish, headortail. You just don't want to talk about the fact that you asked bamboo mms about CaoNee, LOL what a fucking fool. Jajajaja that's Spanish for hahahaha.
I was really happy to see you and Larry Flynt / Top Gun / Tupac to phase out the trolling. Its easy to backslide, so lets just breathe deeply, and remember of goal of interacting positively without attacking fellow mongers. You can do it, and we will be rootig for your success.
And as you probably know, "VietKong" is actually spelled "Vietcong", and is deeply offensive to the Vietnamese living in Westminster. Many of their fathers and grandfathers fought the Vietcong, and when they lost, they ended up over here. Many of them might have lost loved ones in that war which cost maybe 3 M lives (about 80 times as many Vietnamese died, as did Americans in that war). To this day, if you look around, you will still see them flying the yellow and red flag of South Vietnam, 40+ years after South Vietnam ceased to exist. It may be a casual slur to you, but is that really necessary? Its not funny or amusing in anyway, and kinda makes you look both heartless and stupid for using that term.Hey Spice,
Relapse is Part of Recovery:
There are countless people with years of recovery who have experienced a relapse in their journey.
Overcoming the Guilt:
Knowing you are not alone is essential. There are others like you who have returned to the program and went on to be successful in recovery and in life.
Looking Forward:
Learning from the mistakes, whether your own or those of others, will make you wiser.
Please let us know how we can help.
SpicyCurry
08-27-22, 17:30
Hey Spice,
Relapse is Part of Recovery:
There are countless people with years of recovery who have experienced a relapse in their journey.
Overcoming the Guilt:
Knowing you are not alone is essential. There are others like you who have returned to the program and went on to be successful in recovery and in life.
Looking Forward:
Learning from the mistakes, whether your own or those of others, will make you wiser.
Please let us know how we can help.Okkk cheesedick, thank you for your willingness to be my jock support.
I tell ya, you should talk with your buddy Dark Peter Baldy about guilt. But he has no problem overcoming guilt because fucking people is what he does. No guilt, no shame, from providers to mongers, he stabbed them all in the back. Especially the ones that trusted him the most. Ask Kevin why this dickhead went from hero to zero to him.
Admin labeled me a troll for warning people not to trust this cock, Mountbaldy Headortail. If that's the standard, then I will forever be a troll.
XxPartyBoy300
08-28-22, 13:32
I want romance with one of these homeless girls, but I don't know where to look. Are you parking your car and hitting up the tent cities on foot? Would love some pointers on the process.The homeless girls that stay in the area as a local aren't typically the ones I hit up. The best but rarest ones are the young girls that kicked out to the streets again, I had 4 of them that were very submissive, but they prioritize getting high before all else, I had an 8/10 23 yr get out of my car cause she wanted fentanyl (super hot girl / smelled like straight piss tho).
Bus stops, parks, walking on sidewalks are the ones that I approach. Typically they have like 2-3 bags on them, that's how you know they're homeless. If they have a shopping cart on them forget, they won't abandon it.
Ill drive around where I know there are homeless / drug addicts lingering around. I'll park my car, get out and approach them.
Easiest way to break the ice is getting a dollar bill and asking them if they have a ciggette I can buy off them, opens them up and from there invite them in your car to go get weed / drinks or food.
Then once In the car you find out more about them, once you manage to bring them home, get them to shower first before anything else. Then they are going to be asking you if you have any drugs. Luckily I have a few connects. Its easy to hook up with them after that.
Hey Spice,
Relapse is Part of Recovery:
There are countless people with years of recovery who have experienced a relapse in their journey.
Overcoming the Guilt:
Knowing you are not alone is essential. There are others like you who have returned to the program and went on to be successful in recovery and in life.
Looking Forward:
Learning from the mistakes, whether your own or those of others, will make you wiser.
Please let us know how we can help.Spice,
I think we should stop slinging shit at each other and get along. I don't condone anyone treating girls like shit nor do I agree with shit blasting toilets.
As-Salaam-Alaikum.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-29-22, 01:29
Let's not pretend you care or even a bit interested in Spanish, headortail. You just don't want to talk about the fact that you asked bamboo mms about CaoNee, LOL what a fucking fool. Jajajaja that's Spanish for hahahaha.No, I said I asked SH PPS Steven and he actually confirmed there was a new girl with a name that started with Cow but ended differently. That was the first time I thought "hey Spicy Curry may be more than a mad shitter, and guy who slings shit at BW. Maybe he is trying to be a real monger just like the big dogs. " Who else gave you any respect at all other than me? And yet you continue to write insults toward your brothers over and over again. Why don't you go get your dicked sucked and stop the childish shit? Places like Spa 888, True Health, and LL will all give more than a handy. I think DJ and I might be willing to front you the C note to get your dick sucked, so you'll stop shitting all over this list, the same way you shit over SH and BW.
SpicyCurry
08-29-22, 13:29
No, I said I asked SH PPS Steven and he actually confirmed there was a new girl with a name that started with Cow but ended differently. That was the first time I thought "hey Spicy Curry may be more than a mad shitter, and guy who slings shit at BW. Maybe he is trying to be a real monger just like the big dogs. " Who else gave you any respect at all other than me? And yet you continue to write insults toward your brothers over and over again. Why don't you go get your dicked sucked and stop the childish shit? Places like Spa 888, True Health, and LL will all give more than a handy. I think DJ and I might be willing to front you the C note to get your dick sucked, so you'll stop shitting all over this list, the same way you shit over SH and BW.Who said this, you silly old man!
"No CowKnee.
I went to BW and asked for Cow-knee, and was told there is no such girl but half a dozen other guys are asking for her. I had to "make do" with Linda for a great serssion beyond all expectations. ".
That's you Mountbaldy. Asking mms Bamboo about CaoNee and you asked pps at SH too, LOL. What's this shit about brothers, are you such a loser that you consider jerkoffs on these sites your brothers? And stop pretending, forget brothers, you're not even a friend. How many mongers have you fucked in the back? Cheesedick can trust you if he wants, in no time he'll see what an asshole you are.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-29-22, 19:27
Who said this, you silly old man!
"No CowKnee.
I went to BW and asked for Cow-knee, and was told there is no such girl but half a dozen other guys are asking for her. I had to "make do" with Linda for a great serssion beyond all expectations. ".
That's you Mountbaldy. Asking mms Bamboo about CaoNee and you asked pps at SH too, LOL. What's this shit about brothers, are you such a loser that you consider jerkoffs on these sites your brothers? And stop pretending, forget brothers, you're not even a friend. How many mongers have you fucked in the back? Cheesedick can trust you if he wants, in no time he'll see what an asshole you are.I believe you said Cow Knee was at BW or SH, and so I asked both, and found out there was a girl with a Cow name at SH. So I did the homework to fact check your sloppy reporting and then I gave you praise for providing some small amount of intelligence. After so many reports about shitting up the bathrooms, and making wild accusations of MMS's doing handies. In an ocean of bullshit, I found a small island of truth. So I attempted to use that to encourage you to behave like a normal person. But apparently no good deed will go unpunished.
Yes, I do regarding my fellow mongers as my brothers. We see the same girls and have the same happy endings. Sorry you chose not to be happy and to try to make as many other people unhappy as well.
I think the time has come to stop trying to engage with you. Time for "ignore".
Nice Guy 99
08-29-22, 20:40
Yes, I do regard my fellow mongers as my brothers. We see the same girls and have the same happy endings.Hang in there DRD!
BTW, I think "Pushing down on your arm, over and over the same thing, like a rat pushing a lever waiting for a food pellet." .... is the line of the year thus far.
NG99.
SpicyCurry
08-29-22, 22:22
I believe you said Cow Knee was at BW or SH, and so I asked both, and found out there was a girl with a Cow name at SH. So I did the homework to fact check your sloppy reporting and then I gave you praise for providing some small amount of intelligence. After so many reports about shitting up the bathrooms, and making wild accusations of MMS's doing handies. In an ocean of bullshit, I found a small island of truth. So I attempted to use that to encourage you to behave like a normal person. But apparently no good deed will go unpunished.
Yes, I do regarding my fellow mongers as my brothers. We see the same girls and have the same happy endings. Sorry you chose not to be happy and to try to make as many other people unhappy as well.
I think the time has come to stop trying to engage with you. Time for "ignore".You're never going to ignore me Baldy, you know why? Because you have no one to talk to. You're in desperate need for attention.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-29-22, 22:55
Hang in there DRD!
BTW, I think "Pushing down on your arm, over and over the same thing, like a rat pushing a lever waiting for a food pellet." .... is the line of the year thus far.
NG99.Thanks NG. You are a gentleman and a scholar as always.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-29-22, 23:09
Spice,
I think we should stop slinging shit at each other and get along. I don't condone anyone treating girls like shit nor do I agree with shit blasting toilets.
As-Salaam-Alaikum.I am hoping he was lying about taking a shit without wiping his ass, then going to visit that gentle popular lady for prostrate service. Makes me want to hurl. Even an animal or a homeless guy would clean himself. So I hope to god he was just lying. Most of the rest of what he said is not true, so lets hope he merely a liar and not scumbag.
SpicyCurry
08-30-22, 11:19
Thanks NG. You are a gentleman and a scholar as always.You are indeed a gentleman and a scholar Niceguy. Can we be friends, I really need someone to talk to and love me. No one seems to care anymore, waahhhh.
SpicyCurry
08-30-22, 11:38
I am hoping he was lying about taking a shit without wiping his ass, then going to visit that gentle popular lady for prostrate service. Makes me want to hurl. Even an animal or a homeless guy would clean himself. So I hope to god he was just lying. Most of the rest of what he said is not true, so lets hope he merely a liar and not scumbag.I never said I went to BW for prostate service. Sorry but you're mistaken me for being a weird old guy like you. Hey I hear the girls talk about a fat old guy who likes to get on all fours, spreading his cheeks to show the girls his asshole. Any idea who that might be Mountbaldy?
And speaking of gentle lady, you mean Andie, the girl that you claimed to have fucked regularly. You're truly an asshole dude.
SpicyCurry
08-30-22, 15:43
Hang in there DRD!
BTW, I think "Pushing down on your arm, over and over the same thing, like a rat pushing a lever waiting for a food pellet." .... is the line of the year thus far.
NG99.Birds of the feather heh Nicedude99. Mountbaldy is a good match for you.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-31-22, 03:14
I never said I went to BW for prostate service. Sorry but you're mistaken me for being a weird old guy like you. Hey I hear the girls talk about a fat old guy who likes to get on all fours, spreading his cheeks to show the girls his asshole. Any idea who that might be Mountbaldy?
And speaking of gentle lady, you mean Andie, the girl that you claimed to have fucked regularly. You're truly an asshole dude.Interesting that you do not deny shitting up a bathroom. No denial of seeing a girl fresh after taking a shit without wiping. And no denial of long history of lies (e. G. MMS giving BJ's). And day by day, you demonstrate your hostility toward other mongers (e. G Mountbaldy, DJ, and me), and hostility toward the girls (claiming various girls provide way more menu items then you are getting). I am just going to get a bucket of popcorn and enjoy the show of a guy self-destructing spectacularly.
SpicyCurry
08-31-22, 13:51
Interesting that you do not deny shitting up a bathroom. No denial of seeing a girl fresh after taking a shit without wiping. And no denial of long history of lies (e. G. MMS giving BJ's). And day by day, you demonstrate your hostility toward other mongers (e. G Mountbaldy, DJ, and me), and hostility toward the girls (claiming various girls provide way more menu items then you are getting). I am just going to get a bucket of popcorn and enjoy the show of a guy self-destructing spectacularly.Dummy, I don't deny any of what I've said, I just didn't say I went to Bamboo to get a prostrate service. You can't even remember half of what you've said because you lie so much, so I shouldn't be surprised you're misquoting me.
And don't pretend you care about anyone but yourself, Mountbaldy. Just because you didn't get fuckie suckie from these hookers don't mean others didn't.
SpicyCurry
08-31-22, 16:17
Interesting that you do not deny shitting up a bathroom. No denial of seeing a girl fresh after taking a shit without wiping. And no denial of long history of lies (e. G. MMS giving BJ's). And day by day, you demonstrate your hostility toward other mongers (e. G Mountbaldy, DJ, and me), and hostility toward the girls (claiming various girls provide way more menu items then you are getting). I am just going to get a bucket of popcorn and enjoy the show of a guy self-destructing spectacularly.I was taking a giant dump at SH and there was only a couple pieces left on the roll. Andie was waiting upstairs, what the fuck do you expect me to do? You're just repeating the story to get me disrespected. Andie didn't seem to mind so shut up about it.
DarkRoomDaddy
08-31-22, 19:06
Dummy, I don't deny any of what I've said, I just didn't say I went to Bamboo to get a prostrate service. You can't even remember half of what you've said because you lie so much, so I shouldn't be surprised you're misquoting me.
And don't pretend you care about anyone but yourself, Mountbaldy. Just because you didn't get fuckie suckie from these hookers don't mean others didn't.What would I do? I would have been a man, and just sat down on the cold toilet and done my business. Instead of making the excuse that they didn't have a plush warmed toilet seat for my royal ass. Or if I went to the other shop and they had no paper, I would have returned to the first one, and used their paper. If I still felt that I was stinky or a walking biohazard, I would have done the right thing and cancelled the appointment, gone home, and showered, and then returned and give the girl a little bigger tip for the confusion. A man does what is right and what is needed. Not what is most convenient or self-serving at any cost.
These girls usually have families, kids, parents to support. They are not really in the business for the good times. They also rarely complain of anything and are subjected to unwelcome groping every day. The kind of thing that would get you fired in 2 seconds out in the real world. So the fact that someone who does not even speak English well did not openly complain, is not any kind of proof that your unwiped ass smelled like gardenias and lilacs. Shit smells like shit.
I am not sure if Mount Baldy is Heads or Tails or not, but I do know for a fact that I am neither of these gentlemen. As I have told you time after time. So before you start calling people dummy's, can you tell me how many times you need to hear this before you get the message?
Meanwhile are you Kevin? You seem to say a lot of the same things in the same way.
This other more senior gentleman told me that Kevin couldn't get any extra menu items that everyone else was getting, and he had to coach him how to get things happening. Apparently he trusted you and told you a few details of his life, and now for months you have been revealing all these things said in confidence and embellishing them. No matter the harm you cause to him, other mongers, and the girls in question. I heard some of the girls and MMS's were in tears after learning of your comments. I can understand a bitchy attitude if you were just on your monthly period, but dude, this vendetta of hate has gone on too long. You are just hurting people and making yourself look like a fool. Will you just give it up? What can you possibly get out of hurting to many people?
Please don't even respond. Just go get a massage and report back what happened. Resist the urge to act out.
SpicyCurry
09-01-22, 11:04
What would I do? I would have been a man, and just sat down on the cold toilet and done my business. Instead of making the excuse that they didn't have a plush warmed toilet seat for my royal ass. Or if I went to the other shop and they had no paper, I would have returned to the first one, and used their paper. If I still felt that I was stinky or a walking biohazard, I would have done the right thing and cancelled the appointment, gone home, and showered, and then returned and give the girl a little bigger tip for the confusion. A man does what is right and what is needed. Not what is most convenient or self-serving at any cost.
These girls usually have families, kids, parents to support. They are not really in the business for the good times. They also rarely complain of anything and are subjected to unwelcome groping every day. The kind of thing that would get you fired in 2 seconds out in the real world. So the fact that someone who does not even speak English well did not openly complain, is not any kind of proof that your unwiped ass smelled like gardenias and lilacs. Shit smells like shit. So are you saying it was wrong of me to see Andie without wiping my ass? But I can't just leave her waiting, I knew she had family to care for and can use the money, so I was helping her. She wiped me well, with hands and forearm. No stinky, she didn't complain, even smiled when I left.
Told you already, Kevin and I are the same. He may be too proud to admit it, but just ask him.
AlCapone2006
09-01-22, 18:57
Why are these banters allowed? Just ban them all. Waste of bandwidth. And lots of shit talking between Darko and Spicy chicken.
SpicyCurry
09-02-22, 09:12
Why are these banters allowed? Just ban them all. Waste of bandwidth. And lots of shit talking between Darko and Spicy chicken.Just put me on ignore. Admin can't make it any clearer; but Mountbaldy the genius can't help debating with me over shitting at Bamboo. Haha! Admin had to spank him a few times telling him to shut up but nooo, impossible, he can't help it. He really is that much of a loser.
DarkRoomDaddy
09-02-22, 10:03
Why are these banters allowed? Just ban them all. Waste of bandwidth. And lots of shit talking between Darko and Spicy chicken.I am done with him. But its better that all this happen on the RANTS forum so it does not pollute the main forums. For a while, all we discussed was dirty towels and dirty bathrooms. And it was all fake BS to discredit a place. THis went along with personal attacks on one guy and a lot of very personal stuff between them.
For a while he seemed to calm down, and I hoped to coax him into behaving normally so as not to stink up the forum. It would be better to end the trolling rather than having to control it. But he can't seem to shake the urge. So he can just say what he wants to himself from now on, and talk to himself.
SpicyCurry
09-02-22, 13:06
I am done with him. But its better that all this happen on the RANTS forum so it does not pollute the main forums. For a while, all we discussed was dirty towels and dirty bathrooms. And it was all fake BS to discredit a place. THis went along with personal attacks on one guy and a lot of very personal stuff between them.
For a while he seemed to calm down, and I hoped to coax him into behaving normally so as not to stink up the forum. It would be better to end the trolling rather than having to control it. But he can't seem to shake the urge. So he can just say what he wants to himself from now on, and talk to himself.Scroll down and see where you said you'd ignore me. I knew you couldn't because you're a loser with no one to talk to, and I was right! Now you say you're done with me, haha, you can never be done with me. Even when I stopped posting you were begging for me to come back. Just like you do with the girls, Mountbaldy. They're sharing a shit loads of your whining long ass messages, "you're not nice, you're hurting my feelings, wahhh wahhhh. I will never come back to this shop, I will never want to see you again". Then you show up a week later, hahaha. Love me, please love me, I know I'm an asshole but I'm here to help. Wahhhh.
SpicyCurry
09-03-22, 12:20
Happy mongering in the heat, have fun and stay safe. Most importantly be kind to the girls and treat them like princesses. Take a crap before coming, dress comfortably, deodorant antiperspirant, add a little of Johnny Depp famous cologne Sausage and you're set.
Enjoy:
My money don't jiggle, jiggle, it folds.
I like to see you wiggle, wiggle, for sure.
It makes me want to dribble, dribble, you know.
Riding in my Fiat, you really have to see it.
Six feet two in a compact, no slack.
DarkRoomDaddy
09-04-22, 13:44
Are the shops relatively wide open this holiday weekend? Thinking of hitting one of the hot spots that's hard to get in.
A less spicy diet seems be just what the doctor ordered. Life is so much more peaceful without spice, curry, and unwiped stinky asses.
Sexaholic777
09-14-22, 20:26
Seems like other cities don't have people measuring their Dick or money LOL or Girls they supposedly done.
SpicyCurry
09-30-22, 14:59
Seems like other cities don't have people measuring their Dick or money LOL or Girls they supposedly done.All the new aliases talking about SH and BW. Pretty much a Mountbaldy Dark Daddy and Unclepurple Niceguy99 show, talking to themselves.
DarkRoomDaddy
10-02-22, 15:58
Quick question. If I put a troll on "ignore", I don't see his posts. But can he see mine still, or does that block our views both ways?
You can't see his anymore, if you have removed him from your experience why would you care if he can see yours?
A2
DarkRoomDaddy
10-19-22, 17:08
Google "Alaskan Fish & Chips" and in the same mini-mall on Westminster Boulevard in Westminster, CA is Foot Reflexology - +17148998788.
Lucy is the best option there. 50 something Chinese woman, but always made up with fake eyelashes, tight dress, and has a pair of nice fake tits. She will do whatever you want, condoms optional, and do it with a smile on her face. She is earnest and wants to make you happy. The place is a dump and privacy is lacking. It is an experience and you will get your bag drained. $40 + $80 ($100 if you feel generous or get drained twice).What is the use of a secret code if its freely given out to anyone who asks? And why a secret code just for this place? Should we call SH / BW "Kentucky Fried Chicken - 1st floor /2nd floor" in a similar way. Or Bali could be called by the name of that Vietnamese grocery store in the same building. Top10 is Starbucks-across-from-Target-next-to-the-obnoxious-karaoke store.
What is the use of a secret code if its freely given out to anyone who asks? And why a secret code just for this place? Should we call SH / BW "Kentucky Fried Chicken - 1st floor /2nd floor" in a similar way. Or Bali could be called by the name of that Vietnamese grocery store in the same building. Top10 is Starbucks-across-from-Target-next-to-the-obnoxious-karaoke store.I think the "F&C" name stuck because of the connotation that bad pussy smells like fish and Foot Reflexology is full of high mileage older ladies.
NOTE: The site is for sharing information. It is on the home screen. Stop with the codes.
Slammer6008
10-19-22, 22:53
I think the "F&C" name stuck because of the connotation that bad pussy smells like fish and Foot Reflexology is full of high mileage older ladies.
NOTE: The site is for sharing information. It is on the home screen. Stop with the codes.Nope your wrong!
LngTimeMongr
10-20-22, 01:49
Nope your wrong!You guys really thinking they be that busy?
You guys really thinking they be that busy?Yes, they are that busy and the fish you smell is next door.
LngTimeMongr
10-20-22, 13:54
Yes, they are that busy and the fish you smell is next door.Anyone one else here that gives lucy quality work LOL.
BenderOver
10-20-22, 14:41
What is the use of a secret code if its freely given out to anyone who asks? And why a secret code just for this place? Should we call SH / BW "Kentucky Fried Chicken - 1st floor /2nd floor" in a similar way. Or Bali could be called by the name of that Vietnamese grocery store in the same building. Top10 is Starbucks-across-from-Target-next-to-the-obnoxious-karaoke store.This was a pretty funny post. Still chuckling about it after reading it 2 minutes ago.
What is the use of a secret code if its freely given out to anyone who asks? And why a secret code just for this place? Should we call SH / BW "Kentucky Fried Chicken - 1st floor /2nd floor" in a similar way. Or Bali could be called by the name of that Vietnamese grocery store in the same building. Top10 is Starbucks-across-from-Target-next-to-the-obnoxious-karaoke store.F&C? How about KFC1 and KFC2?
DarkRoomDaddy
10-21-22, 05:34
F&C? How about KFC1 and KFC2?My code names are "Happy Ending Chaos Palace" for SH and "Alien Abduction Station" for BW because you are transported up and given an anal probe. I call L&L "jiffy lube" because you will definitely get your fluids drained. I think of F&C as a time space continuum node because you are instantly transported to a third world slum from a different era before modern medicine was known.
I call this place Moby Dick because I feel like Captain Ahab looking for Whale Spa over and over with my harpoon loaded and ready to fire. But can't find it. But they won't elude me forever no matter how hard they try to avoid taking my money. When I finally find this place, it won't be me who shouts "thar she blows"!Isn't Whale Spa a massage equipment retailer?
StevenWalker
10-23-22, 12:37
ugh. So expensive now.
DarkRoomDaddy
11-02-22, 16:58
Isn't Whale Spa a massage equipment retailer?Never been there as I mentioned. But if that guy is getting HE's at a pool supply shop, that would be wild.
WhoreMaster 91
11-02-22, 18:05
ugh. So expensive now.Super expensive They need to lower the cost of Pussy!
Reading different threads on different forums concerning the cost of mongering is getting outrageous. Here is the solution:
The week of Thanksgiving.. Everyone should BOYCOTT all AMP's. This should hopefully get most of the providers a wake up call! Mongers need to be the Dog and the MT's need to be the Tail. We wag them, right now they are wagging us. Show some discipline for Thanksgiving week and maybe, just maybe the prices come down.
Boycotting one day won't really make a huge difference. If everyone doesn't go for a whole month, that might be an issue for them. Other than that, it won't make a dent on their 100+k yearly salary.
Plus this would only work if everyone actually stopped going. There are people who can't control their urges and go even during holidays.
Reading different threads on different forums concerning the cost of mongering is getting outrageous. Here is the solution:
The week of Thanksgiving.. Everyone should BOYCOTT all AMP's. This should hopefully get most of the providers a wake up call! Mongers need to be the Dog and the MT's need to be the Tail. We wag them, right now they are wagging us. Show some discipline for Thanksgiving week and maybe, just maybe the prices come down.
Lift Her Up
11-03-22, 00:30
Reading different threads on different forums concerning the cost of mongering is getting outrageous. Here is the solution:
The week of Thanksgiving.. Everyone should BOYCOTT all AMP's. This should hopefully get most of the providers a wake up call! Mongers need to be the Dog and the MT's need to be the Tail. We wag them, right now they are wagging us. Show some discipline for Thanksgiving week and maybe, just maybe the prices come down.Wait. That's probably the wrong way to put it. I mean, I'll do as you suggest. Anyone else?
Lift Her Up.
Nice Guy 99
11-03-22, 02:55
Reading different threads on different forums concerning the cost of mongering is getting outrageous. Here is the solution:
The week of Thanksgiving.. Everyone should BOYCOTT all AMP's. This should hopefully get most of the providers a wake up call! Mongers need to be the Dog and the MT's need to be the Tail. We wag them, right now they are wagging us. Show some discipline for Thanksgiving week and maybe, just maybe the prices come down.In my opinion BW pricing is quite fair.
DarkRoomDaddy
11-03-22, 03:07
Reading different threads on different forums concerning the cost of mongering is getting outrageous. Here is the solution:
The week of Thanksgiving.. Everyone should BOYCOTT all AMP's. This should hopefully get most of the providers a wake up call! Mongers need to be the Dog and the MT's need to be the Tail. We wag them, right now they are wagging us. Show some discipline for Thanksgiving week and maybe, just maybe the prices come down.March 1, 2020 : BW was 30 + 40 = 70.
Nov 1, 2022 : BW is 35-40 + 60-70 = 95-110.
Salaries and retirement money has gone up 1-5%. This is overall an 36% - 57% increase.
Actually BW front office increase is extremely reasonable. SH went from 30 to 40. BW is actually the same 40 if you get hot stones and 10 extra minutes. So SH and BW are equally prices. Its just that BW offers the "horny monger special" of 35 for the guy who wants minimal service and less time.
The real inflation is from the girls who got together and decided to bump their rates up 50% or more. ($40-60). And many of the BW girls feel $60 is not enough. That's unreasonable.
They give bullshit about inflation. That everyone in the world is suffering from. But they are suffering the least. They don't pay bills or have any expenses to speak of. Its all profit going to China.
So yeah, some focused boycotts are a good idea.
The other thing is to communicate. Tell MMS and the girls, that sure you will pay 60 for a HJ, but you will only come once a month rather than once a week. Or not at all. In fact, the real tactic if you have the balls for it, is when they say 60, you say "no thanks. Just massage my feet more and we are good" and give them 15. After that starts happening regularly, they will think twice about demanding money.
March 1, 2020 : BW was 30 + 40 = 70.
Nov 1, 2022 : BW is 35-40 + 60-70 = 95-110.
Salaries and retirement money has gone up 1-5%. This is overall an 36% - 57% increase.
Actually BW front office increase is extremely reasonable. SH went from 30 to 40. BW is actually the same 40 if you get hot stones and 10 extra minutes. So SH and BW are equally prices. Its just that BW offers the "horny monger special" of 35 for the guy who wants minimal service and less time.
The real inflation is from the girls who got together and decided to bump their rates up 50% or more. ($40-60). And many of the BW girls feel $60 is not enough. That's unreasonable.
They give bullshit about inflation. That everyone in the world is suffering from. But they are suffering the least. They don't pay bills or have any expenses to speak of. Its all profit going to China.
So yeah, some focused boycotts are a good idea.
The other thing is to communicate. Tell MMS and the girls, that sure you will pay 60 for a HJ, but you will only come once a month rather than once a week. Or not at all. In fact, the real tactic if you have the balls for it, is when they say 60, you say "no thanks. Just massage my feet more and we are good" and give them 15. After that starts happening regularly, they will think twice about demanding money.Yes, I picked Thanksgiving week for several reasons but mainly for the MT's to Give Thanks to us mongers who have supported their families very well or whoever their source is in China. You know the MT's communicate to drive the tips higher and we mongers need to drive them back down to more reasonable levels. Good luck and be safe!
ShyBraveOC
11-03-22, 21:09
In my opinion BW pricing is quite fair.The entry fee is fair but not the dam selfish and greedy MT's demanding $60. Some of them will even walk out on you if you say no. Mongers fight back!
ShyBraveOC
11-03-22, 21:12
Boycotting one day won't really make a huge difference. If everyone doesn't go for a whole month, that might be an issue for them. Other than that, it won't make a dent on their 100+k yearly salary.
Plus this would only work if everyone actually stopped going. There are people who can't control their urges and go even during holidays.What do you think is the ave salary for the top girls at BW? $150 K?
I don't know the going rate of BW. This calculation is rough estimate. Don't at me with the numbers. Average salary: Tips range from $100-$120 for FS. Let's say that providers keep the entire tip and they see roughly 5 people a day. (They usually see much more). Even at $100, that's $500 a day. Multiply that by 4-5 days a week. That's $2000 a week, $8000 a month, $96,000 a year in cash. That's on the lower end where I calculated.
From what I see in this forum, the providers see a lot more than just 5 mongers, but you get the gist.
What do you think is the ave salary for the top girls at BW? $150 K?
Skinny Dugan
11-05-22, 20:51
I already started my boycott of BW. I like all of the girls there, but Anna's aggressive hustling has turned me off. I'm not going to stop mongorinf, I'm just going to give my business to others. I've definitely had my share of issues there, and I blame myself for not saying NO. I've left pissed off too many times. BW is off my rotation because of Anna. I've seen her for years and she has needlessly jacked her rates. I don't feel that she is worth it.
The entry fee is fair but not the dam selfish and greedy MT's demanding $60. Some of them will even walk out on you if you say no. Mongers fight back!
AlCapone2006
11-06-22, 23:20
I don't know the going rate of BW. This calculation is rough estimate. Don't at me with the numbers. Average salary: Tips range from $100-$120 for FS. Let's say that providers keep the entire tip and they see roughly 5 people a day. (They usually see much more). Even at $100, that's $500 a day. Multiply that by 4-5 days a week. That's $2000 a week, $8000 a month, $96,000 a year in cash. That's on the lower end where I calculated.
From what I see in this forum, the providers see a lot more than just 5 mongers, but you get the gist.Would you suck and fuck for $120? We all know the house money goes to the owners. The girls don't get a cut.
AlCapone2006
11-06-22, 23:22
I already started my boycott of BW. I like all of the girls there, but Anna's aggressive hustling has turned me off. I'm not going to stop mongorinf, I'm just going to give my business to others. I've definitely had my share of issues there, and I blame myself for not saying NO. I've left pissed off too many times. BW is off my rotation because of Anna. I've seen her for years and she has needlessly jacked her rates. I don't feel that she is worth it.Why you guys complaining? Then go fish elsewhere. Nurus cost twice as much and no suck or fuck. And the white call girls on nightfunpages and rubmd cost twice as much. Smh.
Like any other product or service, pricing is what the market will bear. As long as the market is willing to pay the prices they're asking, they will continue asking that price, and they'll continue increasing prices. A boycott by a few members of USASG isn't going to have much effect. The only thing that will have an effect is if their business starts decreasing substantially. Even if their business decreases a little, they're still better off because they're making the same amount of money or more with fewer clients. I do that at my business. Every time I increase my prices I lose 5-10% of my customers, but I'm still better off because I make a little bit money with 10% fewer customers to deal with, and the ones I lose are almost always the pain in the ass ones that I don't want around anyway. And then the customer base grows again and I'm far better off. Same principal applies here. And in all honesty, I've been mongering for over 30 years, and the change in pricing hasn't really kept up with inflation over that time. Back in the early 90's the Korean places were 40 entry plus 40/60/80 tip for HJ / BJ / FS. Today, 30+ years later, the same places that I frequented back in 1990 are now 50 entry + 60/80/120 tip. Not a huge increase for that length of time.
Granted, when the BW girls start getting demanding, suddenly imposing a huge increase in a very short period of time, it's offputting. I won't deny that. But BW is still relatively cheap bang for the buck.
Nice Guy 99
11-07-22, 15:20
Would you suck and fuck for $120? We all know the house money goes to the owners. The girls don't get a cut.And in many places the house gets a cut of your tip to the MT.
PelicanT99
11-07-22, 15:45
Like any other product or service, pricing is what the market will bear….A boycott by a few members of USASG isn't going to have much effect. The only thing that will have an effect is if their business starts decreasing substantially….And in all honesty, I've been mongering for over 30 years, and the change in pricing hasn't really kept up with inflation over that time….now 50 entry + 60/80/120 tip. Not a huge increase for that length of time….But boycotts are the best weapon in mongers' arsenal to address GPS; what alternative do you offer besides grabbing ankles and respectfully requesting they lube?
I've dealt with this issue in the strip club context for 20 years. If they get greedy, just move on & tell your friends.
Maybe your specific business provides something unique, but there's nothing more generic than pussy. It's not like we can't just take our business down the street. So boycotting the greedy providers is the best & most effective strategy (so long as people here keep outing the greedy providers with specific & credible reports, so you can ignore the Yelp-ish self-serving reviews). Trust in the market, it's just the sum of individuals' behavior.
But boycotts are the best weapon in mongers' arsenal to address GPS; what alternative do you offer besides grabbing ankles and respectfully requesting they lube?
I've dealt with this issue in the strip club context for 20 years. If they get greedy, just move on & tell your friends.
Maybe your specific business provides something unique, but there's nothing more generic than pussy. It's not like we can't just take our business down the street. So boycotting the greedy providers is the best & most effective strategy (so long as people here keep outing the greedy providers with specific & credible reports, so you can ignore the Yelp-ish self-serving reviews). Trust in the market, it's just the sum of individuals' behavior.For a boycott to work, it has to be widespread enough to hit them in the wallet. A dozen guys from USASG boycotting isn't going to do it as long as they have other clients who will continue to pay. That's the point. Anybody who's ever run a business will tell you that. Disney is doing it right now. They've cranked up prices to outrageous levels. A lot of locals, including me, were really pissed off about it. So we don't go. Cool. The parks are less crowded for the out of town vacationers and they're still making more money with a smaller crowd, which means they can staff down a little. We can boycott and that's all well and good, but I'm sure they have plenty of other customers who will continue to pay what they ask, and they're still better off.
DarkRoomDaddy
11-07-22, 21:15
Would you suck and fuck for $120? We all know the house money goes to the owners. The girls don't get a cut.If my husband made $2 a day in China, and I could make $120 in 15 minutes.
Would you suck and fuck for $120? We all know the house money goes to the owners. The girls don't get a cut.If that was my only way to make money, I would be doing it in an heartbeat. These providers often don't have any other means of getting money and need to survive somehow.
If that was my only way to make money, I would be doing it in an heartbeat. These providers often don't have any other means of getting money and need to survive somehow.LOL, Not that this is an option of guys! But how many people, both men and women stay in some crappy job just to pay the rent and put food on the table. Those of us who love our jobs are truly lucky. You think the guy who pumps out portapotties enjoyes his job? Its all about the money and surviving.
Mr Plumber
11-08-22, 18:53
Would you suck and fuck for $120? We all know the house money goes to the owners. The girls don't get a cut.Many years ago a woman I knew was working as an in-home health care worker. I asked how it was working out for her. She gave me her life story. In a nutshell, white woman born outside the USA, married a dude from New York, in her words, "He turned into an Italian asshole and left me. " She was old, bitter and regretful. So I asked her what else she would have done than home health work. To which she answered, "I'm sitting on it" and she smiled and laughed.
These days I'll fuck grannies but not back then. We do what we need to survive.
Many years ago a woman I knew was working as an in-home health care worker. I asked how it was working out for her. She gave me her life story. In a nutshell, white woman born outside the USA, married a dude from New York, in her words, "He turned into an Italian asshole and left me. " She was old, bitter and regretful. So I asked her what else she would have done than home health work. To which she answered, "I'm sitting on it" and she smiled and laughed.
These days I'll fuck grannies but not back then. We do what we need to survive.For the last 6 weeks I've been home all day recovering from surgery. I've been joking that there's a business opportunity out there for "enhanced home care. " After a major procedure there's a lot of stuff you need help with, and there are agencies for that. Not health care, but daily life care. They come out and run errands for you, buy groceries, do things around the house that you can't do. Maybe even help with bathing if you need that. So their agency pays them $25/ hr to provide the service. Your helper is in your house assisting you with getting ready for a shower. That was something I definitely needed help with for a couple weeks (my wife did that for me, but what if you live alone? So for an extra tip, she not only helps you get ready for a shower, but she joins you in there. Win win for everybody. You get the home help you need along with a HJ or BJ and a little shower fun, and she earns more money while doing her normal job.
For a couple weeks I would have given almost anything to have a good MP girl come to my house while the family was away during the day. I was laying around, not able to do much of anything, and not able to drive anywhere. Yeah there are escorts, but the last thing I need is some skanky call girl showing up at my house. Someone coming over looking professional, or even better yet in scrubs, to "help" for a couple hours woukd have fit the bill nicely. It wouldn't even have to be FS because I wouldn't have even wanted that at the time, but a HJ or BJ would have been amazing.
Mr Plumber
11-10-22, 08:52
For the last 6 weeks I've been home all day recovering from surgery. I've been joking that there's a business opportunity out there for "enhanced home care. " After a major procedure there's a lot of stuff you need help with, and there are agencies for that. Not health care, but daily life care. They come out and run errands for you, buy groceries, do things around the house that you can't do. Maybe even help with bathing if you need that. So their agency pays them $25/ hr to provide the service. Your helper is in your house assisting you with getting ready for a shower. That was something I definitely needed help with for a couple weeks (my wife did that for me, but what if you live alone? So for an extra tip, she not only helps you get ready for a shower, but she joins you in there. Win win for everybody. You get the home help you need along with a HJ or BJ and a little shower fun, and she earns more money while doing her normal job.
For a couple weeks I would have given almost anything to have a good MP girl come to my house while the family was away during the day. I was laying around, not able to do much of anything, and not able to drive anywhere. Yeah there are escorts, but the last thing I need is some skanky call girl showing up at my house. Someone coming over looking professional, or even better yet in scrubs, to "help" for a couple hours woukd have fit the bill nicely. It wouldn't even have to be FS because I wouldn't have even wanted that at the time, but a HJ or BJ would have been amazing.Hope you're on the mend, Grimmy. I have an affiliation with a CNA school and some of their 'students' are conversant and cute. And some with graying hair. Perhaps I'll make a suggestion and see where it goes.
Again, long ago, I had a very hard-working Mexican woman cleaning my home once per week. She covered a lot of ground with the cleaning crews she put together. I mean all over OC. Over time, I'd have different workers show up at my house to clean. On more then one occasion, this chaparita with gorgeous, natural DDs would show up with the rest of the crew. With all the others, even the cuties, I was strictly hands-off. We'd talk lots in Spanish and make jokes but no forward motion. But shorty with the DDs hooked me and she knew it. After the second visit I approached her privately for a 'date', to which she said 'seguro'. The first 'date' was with her and her friend at a diner near where she lived. The second date was at a Motel 6. Holy fuck those tits. She hadn’t borne any children yet and those things were taught and firm. Great motion during missionary. Getting those mammaries to spin opposite directions while slamming her was poetry in motion.
DarkRoomDaddy
11-11-22, 23:30
Hope you're on the mend, Grimmy. I have an affiliation with a CNA school and some of their 'students' are conversant and cute. And some with graying hair. Perhaps I'll make a suggestion and see where it goes.
Again, long ago, I had a very hard-working Mexican woman cleaning my home once per week. She covered a lot of ground with the cleaning crews she put together. I mean all over OC. Over time, I'd have different workers show up at my house to clean. On more then one occasion, this chaparita with gorgeous, natural DDs would show up with the rest of the crew. With all the others, even the cuties, I was strictly hands-off. We'd talk lots in Spanish and make jokes but no forward motion. But shorty with the DDs hooked me and she knew it. After the second visit I approached her privately for a 'date', to which she said 'seguro'. The first 'date' was with her and her friend at a diner near where she lived. The second date was at a Motel 6. Holy fuck those tits. She hadnt borne any children yet and those things were taught and firm. Great motion during missionary. Getting those mammaries to spin opposite directions while slamming her was poetry in motion.My neighbor hit on a sexy 45 year old cleaning lady that was coming to another neighbor's house. He got some FS and BBBJ the first night, but then found she needed to borrow hundreds of dollars repeatedly. Then her car was broken and she borrowed his car for a month and racked up 5000 miles. Then she would make excuses instead of showing up for her FS session. I told him its cheaper to just go to a Korean place rather than pay on installment like this.
AlCapone2006
11-12-22, 20:27
My neighbor hit on a sexy 45 year old cleaning lady that was coming to another neighbor's house. He got some FS and BBBJ the first night, but then found she needed to borrow hundreds of dollars repeatedly. Then her car was broken and she borrowed his car for a month and racked up 5000 miles. Then she would make excuses instead of showing up for her FS session. I told him its cheaper to just go to a Korean place rather than pay on installment like this.AMPs are cheaper than massage envy. At least you get jerked for $40.
$60 w top off.
DarkRoomDaddy
12-05-22, 12:48
AMPs are cheaper than massage envy. At least you get jerked for $40.
$60 w top off.Its kind of fun to deal with non-pro's. If you can corrupt a maid or something.
Lift Her Up
12-08-22, 14:22
In this season of celebration and thanksgiving, I just wanted to take a minute out and thank the many of you who make solid contributions to this board. Among countless other delights, you've helped me find Cindy formerly of Happy Feet, the first one I've really been able to settle into (literally I guess as well as figuratively) since maybe ten years ago.
Lift Her Up.
I think the "F&C" name stuck because of the connotation that bad pussy smells like fish and Foot Reflexology is full of high mileage older ladies.
NOTE: The site is for sharing information. It is on the home screen. Stop with the codes.No. It's called F&C because it is next door to the Fish and Chips restaurant.
I think the "F&C" name stuck because of the connotation that bad pussy smells like fish and Foot Reflexology is full of high mileage older ladies.
NOTE: The site is for sharing information. It is on the home screen. Stop with the codes."No. It's called F&C because it is next door to the Fish and Chips restaurant. ".
That is correct. For newbies, the shop was given that nickname when the fish and chips restaurant was an H. Salt location. It since changed names but is stil a fish and chips restaurant.
Not all the grannies smell like fish. It's been a while since I've seen her but I've been told that extra high mileage Lucy must take great care to freshen herself up before the next BBFS session.
I personally do not support boycotts. If I do not like how I'm treated I just go elsewhere. I do not think the ladies are out of line asking for more money. Read post #590. I've been hobbying for the same period of time and the OP hit the nail on the head. BW is actually a very good price. I still to this day have not been hit up for more money because I don't cheap out. I tip those girls 60,80,100 based on how I'm treated. I do this where ever I go. You show respect and appreciation and the returns are 10 fold. Stop crying and don't be cheap.
If you want to make 150 k tax free start wanking 50 to 70 year old dick. Do you think they are excited? Oh boy!
Maybe they would like 20 year old models to wank. Just like you guys complain about granny providers. " How does massaging 50 thru 70 year old women and providing them extras while they paw you for a 40 dollar tip? Geezo.
In this season of celebration and thanksgiving, I just wanted to take a minute out and thank the many of you who make solid contributions to this board. Among countless other delights, you've helped me find Cindy formerly of Happy Feet, the first one I've really been able to settle into (literally I guess as well as figuratively) since maybe ten years ago.
Lift Her Up.Cheer's laddie!
DarkRoomDaddy
12-10-22, 00:39
In this season of celebration and thanksgiving, I just wanted to take a minute out and thank the many of you who make solid contributions to this board. Among countless other delights, you've helped me find Cindy formerly of Happy Feet, the first one I've really been able to settle into (literally I guess as well as figuratively) since maybe ten years ago.
Lift Her Up.Yes, when we get together with our families this holiday season, we should all dedicate a toast to USASG and our helpful monger colleagues. If only our families knew.
PelicanT99
12-10-22, 22:19
I personally do not support boycotts. If I do not like how I'm treated I just go elsewhere. I do not think the ladies are out of line asking for more money. Read post #590. I've been hobbying for the same period of time and the OP hit the nail on the head. BW is actually a very good price. I still to this day have not been hit up for more money because I don't cheap out. I tip those girls 60,80,100 based on how I'm treated. I do this where ever I go. You show respect and appreciation and the returns are 10 fold. Stop crying and don't be cheap….Haha if you only pay 60/80/100 these days for FS, you are getting away cheap. We're talking about MTs asking 150-200 or even more for FS. And going elsewhere on such girls is what we mean by boycotting, it doesn't mean boycotting everywhere & becoming celibate LOL. Boycott the numbskulls asking high & delivering low. It's true there will always be idiot mongers who overpay the greedy girls / spas. So what? It's their money. But I'm not doing it with my money. I'm just moving on to the next provider. So I think we're on the same page here, apart from what defines "chesp" and "worth it" haha.
DarkRoomDaddy
12-11-22, 09:26
Haha if you only pay 60/80/100 these days for FS, you are getting away cheap. We're talking about MTs asking 150-200 or even more for FS. And going elsewhere on such girls is what we mean by boycotting, it doesn't mean boycotting everywhere & becoming celibate LOL. Boycott the numbskulls asking high & delivering low. It's true there will always be idiot mongers who overpay the greedy girls / spas. So what? It's their money. But I'm not doing it with my money. I'm just moving on to the next provider. So I think we're on the same page here, apart from what defines "chesp" and "worth it" haha.Do make a boycott work, they need to know they are being boycotted, and it has to hurt a bit. Otherwise, business is just a little slower. Might be a sporting event on tv or family holiday, or you like a different kind of girl. So you need to inform them that you were planning on coming in once a week but now you will take your business elsewhere for a month. And this is all because of excessive demands for tips and under delivering the goods. This gives them something to think about. The other thing is that multiple customers need to deliver this news. Not just one hot head. Perhaps the comment "I have to agree with those guys posting online that your fees are too high and we should stop coming here. " This might be especially effective on MMS / PPS who have invested $$ in the business, rather than a girl who can quit and go down the street.
Without these two elements, its fairly pointless. Mongers come and go all day. You win some, you lose some. Its just like a car dealer or iphone store. Some people look and don't buy, but enough buy to keep them in business.
Haha if you only pay 60/80/100 these days for FS, you are getting away cheap. We're talking about MTs asking 150-200 or even more for FS. And going elsewhere on such girls is what we mean by boycotting, it doesn't mean boycotting everywhere & becoming celibate LOL. Boycott the numbskulls asking high & delivering low. It's true there will always be idiot mongers who overpay the greedy girls / spas. So what? It's their money. But I'm not doing it with my money. I'm just moving on to the next provider. So I think we're on the same page here, apart from what defines "chesp" and "worth it" haha.I'm not talking about FS. Unless you go to the Spanish speaking classifieds. That's where you can get FS for less than 100. There's lots of fun you can have in an AMP that doesn't involve FS. Also 150/200 is fine for FS.
PelicanT99
12-11-22, 14:28
I'm not talking about FS. Unless you go to the Spanish speaking classifieds. That's where you can get FS for less than 100. There's lots of fun you can have in an AMP that doesn't involve FS. Also 150/200 is fine for FS.Thank you for your opinion. As I said, it's your money. I'll spend $150-200 for FS with a A grade stripper, but I've only seen a handful of MP girls of that quality (IMO) & even then I've never had to spend that much for them. MPs are just a cheaper outlet. But "you do you," more power to you (to mix generational cliches haha).
Can someone send me her contact number?
I'm in town for a few days and would want to see her.
Thanks in advance.You can go to www.giftcards_4_HXpoints.com and you can get her number, her IG and also her SC AND. She is giving away 2 free snuggie blankets for Christmas for every client.
Sexaholic777
12-13-22, 21:24
Thank you for your opinion. As I said, it's your money. I'll spend $150-200 for FS with a A grade stripper, but I've only seen a handful of MP girls of that quality (IMO) & even then I've never had to spend that much for them. MPs are just a cheaper outlet. But "you do you," more power to you (to mix generational cliches haha).Total $190 w house fee at most places in Sor WM.
Here you go bro. These fellas aren't to helpful. Her info is current.
https://privatedelights.ch/profile/kitihowaitoI don't understand? I was tryin to help the guy out and hook up 2 Snuggies for Christmas. 😁.
DarkRoomDaddy
12-15-22, 01:13
I'm not talking about FS. Unless you go to the Spanish speaking classifieds. That's where you can get FS for less than 100. There's lots of fun you can have in an AMP that doesn't involve FS. Also 150/200 is fine for FS.Until the pandemic, 100 was standard for FS. In particular at the Korean table shower places. I think they went up to 120-140 tip.
I don't understand? I was tryin to help the guy out and hook up 2 Snuggies for Christmas. 😁.LOL. Snuggies. Gay.
LOL. Snuggies. Gay.That G word is not a nice word to use in that context.
That G word is not a nice word to use in that context.Gay is the prefect word for it.
Gay is the prefect word for it.It's sad that your desire to have superiority is fueled by your own insecurity of another human being. This is usually the equation that prevails.
Also known as. . . . . .your fear.
Carry on.
That G word is not a nice word to use in that context.Maybe for you it isn't. LOL the "G" word. Gay.
Maybe for you it isn't. LOL the "G" word. Gay.Totally gay.
DarkRoomDaddy
12-21-22, 21:16
That G word is not a nice word to use in that context.Do you think the G-spot exists? It was a big deal some years ago but I think its been discredited now. Any experience?
Do you think the G-spot exists? It was a big deal some years ago but I think its been discredited now. Any experience?It's there. But it's not a matter of finding it and touching it. It's how you touch it.
SlappySalami
01-12-23, 16:29
Just my 2 cents here. I've had nothing but annoying back and forth whenever I try to find a girl on the free websites such as: callescort, onebackpage, bodyrubsmap, escortbabylon, etc.
On the other hand, the pay websites (where the provided must pay to post advertising) are almost all legit. The free websites are mostly CASH APP scams, where they want you to deposit then the ghost you.
The good websites with real providers are: eros.com (ads costs thousands for the girls), bedpage (each post is $25 BTC), RubMD (the girls pay $10 to post). The fact that real providers pay to post will weed out the cash app scams that are so widespread on the free websites. And of course Humiplex and sites that require reviews and a rating system are definitely the most reliable.
Nice Guy 99
01-12-23, 23:54
It's there. But it's not a matter of finding it and touching it. It's how you touch it.I agree, it's there. I've found the following is the path to success:
- Get her started, including giving oral.
- Even if she's soaking wet, be sure to lube the finger you'll use.
- With her on her back insert the lubed finger and reassure her.
- Finger all the way in, curl it upward a bit and gently feel around for a kind of roundish bump. It may not feel too bg.
- Once you've found it start a gentle slow pulsing with your lubed finger tip. Consider complementing with a little clit licking if you can manage the gymnastics.
- Be careful, after a few minutes of pulsing your finger tip may begin begin to adhere to her skin covering he G-spot. This is very sensitive. Do NOT simply pull your finger off, this will cause her real pain. Instead gently start to roll your finger tip to incrementally break the adherence and allow some vaginal fluid or lube to seep in. Once you've released your fingertip then using a very light circular motion rehydrate the skin over her G-spot and your own finger tip. Then you can gently resume the pulsing.
Not every woman reacts well to G-spot stimulation. Don't be disappointed if your current lady doesn't. After some hugs and snuggling, ask her softly if there is anything you can do differently, because you want to please her. Never let her start thinking that it's her fault.
Enjoy!
NG99.
I agree, it's there. I've found the following is the path to success:
- Get her started, including giving oral.
- Even if she's soaking wet, be sure to lube the finger you'll use.
- With her on her back insert the lubed finger and reassure her.
- Finger all the way in, curl it upward a bit and gently feel around for a kind of roundish bump. It may not feel too bg.
- Once you've found it start a gentle slow pulsing with your lubed finger tip. Consider complementing with a little clit licking if you can manage the gymnastics.
- Be careful, after a few minutes of pulsing your finger tip may begin begin to adhere to her skin covering he G-spot. This is very sensitive. Do NOT simply pull your finger off, this will cause her real pain. Instead gently start to roll your finger tip to incrementally break the adherence and allow some vaginal fluid or lube to seep in. Once you've released your fingertip then using a very light circular motion rehydrate the skin over her G-spot and your own finger tip. Then you can gently resume the pulsing..This looks really good. Thanks a lot LOL.
Very interesting question about the shower & tan shop. For sure it wouldn't be regulated under massage since there's no massage or bodywork going on. What would likely happen is when you went to your city for a business license, they would require a conditional use permit for a shop like that. CUP are generally required for massage establishments, tanning salons, bath houses, adult oriented businesses, and many other things depending on the discretion of the city. With a CUP there is a public hearing. They will mail out notices of public hearing to everyone within say a mile radius of the proposed location so they can attend the hearing and voice their objections. I'd guess that this would get classified as a public bath house, which has its own set of regulations in most places. Depending on what exact city it's in it may or may not get heavily scrutinized. It may be an interesting way to get around massage regulation, or it may open you up to more scrutiny and more "random inspections. ".
Very interesting question about the shower & tan shop. For sure it wouldn't be regulated under massage since there's no massage or bodywork going on. What would likely happen is when you went to your city for a business license, they would require a conditional use permit for a shop like that. CUP are generally required for massage establishments, tanning salons, bath houses, adult oriented businesses, and many other things depending on the discretion of the city. With a CUP there is a public hearing. They will mail out notices of public hearing to everyone within say a mile radius of the proposed location so they can attend the hearing and voice their objections. I'd guess that this would get classified as a public bath house, which has its own set of regulations in most places. Depending on what exact city it's in it may or may not get heavily scrutinized. It may be an interesting way to get around massage regulation, or it may open you up to more scrutiny and more "random inspections. ".Exclude the shower and it just be a tanning salon still needs the special permit? In the 90's there were a shitload of tan I g salons that were FS. I still remember my atf and even if she's a mature woman not I'd still smash that gal.
Very interesting question about the shower & tan shop. For sure it wouldn't be regulated under massage since there's no massage or bodywork going on. What would likely happen is when you went to your city for a business license, they would require a conditional use permit for a shop like that. CUP are generally required for massage establishments, tanning salons, bath houses, adult oriented businesses, and many other things depending on the discretion of the city. With a CUP there is a public hearing. They will mail out notices of public hearing to everyone within say a mile radius of the proposed location so they can attend the hearing and voice their objections. I'd guess that this would get classified as a public bath house, which has its own set of regulations in most places. Depending on what exact city it's in it may or may not get heavily scrutinized. It may be an interesting way to get around massage regulation, or it may open you up to more scrutiny and more "random inspections. ".Exclude the shower and it just be a tanning salon still needs the special permit? In the 90's there were a shitload of tan I g salons that were FS. I still remember my atf and even if she's a mature woman not I'd still smash that gal.
Exclude the shower and it just be a tanning salon still needs the special permit? In the 90's there were a shitload of tan I g salons that were FS. I still remember my atf and even if she's a mature woman not I'd still smash that gal.If you go with tanning salon then you need to buy tanning beds. That would seem to be a big expense. It would seem that going as cheap as possible is the way to go. Create a male waxing salon. Don't need anything and I assume all the licenses Grimmy mentioned are irrelevant. You also protect against women coming in accidentally and complaining that you are a front for illicit activity on Yelp.
Exclude the shower and it just be a tanning salon still needs the special permit? In the 90's there were a shitload of tan I g salons that were FS. I still remember my atf and even if she's a mature woman not I'd still smash that gal.Depends on the city, but most will require a CUP for a tanning salon.
If you go with tanning salon then you need to buy tanning beds. That would seem to be a big expense. It would seem that going as cheap as possible is the way to go. Create a male waxing salon. Don't need anything and I assume all the licenses Grimmy mentioned are irrelevant. You also protect against women coming in accidentally and complaining that you are a front for illicit activity on Yelp.Thanks to you and also Grimy, you guys are well informed.
Depends on the city, but most will require a CUP for a tanning salon.A waxing salon would require esthetician licenses for the technician, which require even more training than a massage license. That's a 600 hour training requirement plus a state board written and practical test. Most cities would also require a CUP, but again that depends on the city and how strict they are with their zoning laws. The big advantage though is you can set up a shop pretty cheaply. All you need is rooms and treatment tables. Again depending on the city, some might require things like a working sink in every room, and that can get pretty expensive.
The thing to watch out for is esthetics is state licensed, so the state board inspectors can and do show up unannounced at any moment. The establishment is licensed as well as the estheticians. So potentially you're open to a little more scrutiny than an MP. All it takes is one person to complain that the place maybe isn't is clean as it should be and an inspector shows up. I got fined $200 once because the inspector asked to see my copies of my provider licenses, so I showed her. It's illegal to photocopy licenses and I had copies in their personnel folders, so she fined me for having photocopies. I was pissed because she kind of bated me into it, but that's how they work.
I have both MT's and Estheticians working for me, so I'm well familiar with esthetics licenses too. We've only had one guy come in to ask for a dick waxing and we'll just say it didn't end well for him, but I run a completely legit shop.
Skinny Dugan
01-19-23, 18:51
When I was in my late teens I had a nympho gf. I finger banged her while making out but she reacted more than other girl friends. It turned out I was hitting her G spot and I didn't know what it was. As I got older I learned to be 69-ish so I could put my finger on the spot and stimulate it while licking the clit. They have all gone crazy while doing this. Most cum but not all. I never needed to lube my finger and I never felt the bump. Trust me it is where NG says it is and it's magical. Women love getting eaten with my finger on their launch button. And they reciprocate big time.
I agree, it's there. I've found the following is the path to success:
- Get her started, including giving oral.
- Even if she's soaking wet, be sure to lube the finger you'll use.
- With her on her back insert the lubed finger and reassure her.
- Finger all the way in, curl it upward a bit and gently feel around for a kind of roundish bump. It may not feel too bg.
- Once you've found it start a gentle slow pulsing with your lubed finger tip. Consider complementing with a little clit licking if you can manage the gymnastics.
- Be careful, after a few minutes of pulsing your finger tip may begin begin to adhere to her skin covering he G-spot. This is very sensitive. Do NOT simply pull your finger off, this will cause her real pain. Instead gently start to roll your finger tip to incrementally break the adherence and allow some vaginal fluid or lube to seep in. Once you've released your fingertip then using a very light circular motion rehydrate the skin over her G-spot and your own finger tip. Then you can gently resume the pulsing.
Not every woman reacts well to G-spot stimulation. Don't be disappointed if your current lady doesn't. After some hugs and snuggling, ask her softly if there is anything you can do differently, because you want to please her. Never let her start thinking that it's her fault.
Enjoy!
NG99.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-21-23, 13:52
When I was in my late teens I had a nympho gf. I finger banged her while making out but she reacted more than other girl friends. It turned out I was hitting her G spot and I didn't know what it was. As I got older I learned to be 69-ish so I could put my finger on the spot and stimulate it while licking the clit. They have all gone crazy while doing this. Most cum but not all. I never needed to lube my finger and I never felt the bump. Trust me it is where NG says it is and it's magical. Women love getting eaten with my finger on their launch button. And they reciprocate big time.There was a big G-spot craze years ago, but I think it has all been debunked. I find licking clit, and just touching the outer lips without much insertion is all it takes, and gradually a bit deeper. But that deep insertion and getting the spot is not a magic button in my view.
FarFarAway
01-23-23, 10:50
There was a big G-spot craze years ago, but I think it has all been debunked. I find licking clit, and just touching the outer lips without much insertion is all it takes, and gradually a bit deeper. But that deep insertion and getting the spot is not a magic button in my view.Girls are like elevators; no matter how much you push that button, it doesn't come any faster.
Seriously, there is no universal anything in sex. I met a POT a while back who told me she had inverted nipples and there was no pleasure to stimulating them for her. I do think that there is a G-spot in some girls and they can get extra special pleasure from it getting stimulated. Why not try it? Pay attention to how the girl is responding, if it isn't doing anything for her you'll know it.
DarkRoomDaddy
01-26-23, 02:20
Girls are like elevators; no matter how much you push that button, it doesn't come any faster.
Seriously, there is no universal anything in sex. I met a POT a while back who told me she had inverted nipples and there was no pleasure to stimulating them for her. I do think that there is a G-spot in some girls and they can get extra special pleasure from it getting stimulated. Why not try it? Pay attention to how the girl is responding, if it isn't doing anything for her you'll know it.Believe me, I have tried it. I get my fingers into vaginas all that I can. .
I think think the clit the and the outer lips are where most of the nerve endings are. And soft, irregular, patient touching and kissing will never go wrong. The only way of reaching the G is go for a deep dive. I think the thing about entering the dark cave of pleasure is once they are lit up, and expanded, then its pleasurable to put a couple of fingers in to give a sensation of fullness or a big dick. At least this is how it works with normal women who are in bed with you because they want to be. Not necessarily the same thing as a woman hoping to empty your wallet in exchange.
BigErection
01-29-23, 02:03
Girls are like elevators; no matter how much you push that button, it doesn't come any faster.
Seriously, there is no universal anything in sex. I met a POT a while back who told me she had inverted nipples and there was no pleasure to stimulating them for her. I do think that there is a G-spot in some girls and they can get extra special pleasure from it getting stimulated. Why not try it? Pay attention to how the girl is responding, if it isn't doing anything for her you'll know it.Had some experience with gals like that, my technique is to gently suck out the nipples so they point outward where the nerve tips are and gently suck and lick. In other words suck those nipples.
Lift Her Up
01-30-23, 14:45
See if you can spot anything odd in the screenshot, attached, of an ad I found on line.
Lift Her Up.
See if you can spot anything odd in the screenshot, attached, of an ad I found on line.
Lift Her Up.That must have been a long an arduous delivery for their mom!
See if you can spot anything odd in the screenshot, attached, of an ad I found on line.
Lift Her Up.That's funny. But conceivably possible.
Korea uses a different age recognition than we do, I don't understand it all, there are a number of variables, but for one, traditionally, they consider they count the time after conception & prior to birth as ageing time, so you are one when you are born.
There I think are some other nuisances that might account for the two years, I don't know.
Of course, I don't think the add legit, but not entirely impossible as it first seems I think.
That's funny. But conceivably possible.
Korea uses a different age recognition than we do, I don't understand it all, there are a number of variables, but for one, traditionally, they consider they count the time after conception & prior to birth as ageing time, so you are one when you are born.
There I think are some other nuisances that might account for the two years, I don't know.
Of course, I don't think the add legit, but not entirely impossible as it first seems I think.All of the Asians do that, although Korea just this year legally changed it so that officially they count their age the same way we do. Japan and China still do it the old way. Basically you're a year old when you're born and another year old on the lunar new year. So you could be born the day before Chinese New Year, and when you're one day old you're "age 2" under the Asian system.
Christophe1
01-31-23, 10:20
All of the Asians do that, although Korea just this year legally changed it so that officially they count their age the same way we do. Japan and China still do it the old way. Basically you're a year old when you're born and another year old on the lunar new year. So you could be born the day before Chinese New Year, and when you're one day old you're "age 2" under the Asian system.My lover thought she could stay young forever by not eating a delicious bowl of New Years soup, tteokguk.
You see, if you forgo the biannual meal then you won't have to deal with those pesty ages. Stay young until forever, or at least fool the Johns.
Had to eat it twice so I am in double time aging.
Are there any no tell motels in the OC? Sorry not sure where I could ask that question.
Thanks in advance!
Are there any no tell motels in the OC? Sorry not sure where I could ask that question.
Thanks in advance!Of course there is you have to pick a city or area first.
Of course there is you have to pick a city or area first.Any reqs for garden grove area?
California's new law decriminalizing loitering for the purposes of prostitution went into effect Jan. 1.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/california-prostitution-law-allowing-sex-abuse-run-rampant-los-angeles-streets-victim-advocates-warn
YellowFinTuna
02-03-23, 00:40
California's new law decriminalizing loitering for the purposes of prostitution went into effect Jan. 1.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/california-prostitution-law-allowing-sex-abuse-run-rampant-los-angeles-streets-victim-advocates-warnProstitution isn't going away so they may as well make it legal. That would drop the prices and therefore many of these 'victims' couldn't afford to participate and us mongers with have better rates. In all of these years. I haven't seen one person I felt was being marginalized. I'm sure that there are some marginalized and a lot of drug addicts etc. , but as far as the AMP parlors go. Everyone has a cell phone, is clean and is cognizant that I've seen. They could run out the front door any time if they wanted to quit. As Krystal once said "Massaging in Cali is probably a lot better than living in some foreign impoverished hell hole. ".
Prostitution isn't going away so they may as well make it legal. That would drop the prices and therefore many of these 'victims' couldn't afford to participate and us mongers with have better rates. In all of these years. I haven't seen one person I felt was being marginalized. I'm sure that there are some marginalized and a lot of drug addicts etc. , but as far as the AMP parlors go. Everyone has a cell phone, is clean and is cognizant that I've seen. They could run out the front door any time if they wanted to quit. As Krystal once said "Massaging in Cali is probably a lot better than living in some foreign impoverished hell hole. ".I'm not so sure it would drop the prices. Prostitution is legal in Nevada but have you seen what the ranches out there charge? I used to travel to Toronto quite often for work. They have legal body rub places there. Basically legal Jack shacks where the girl gets naked and gives you a rub for an hour, and you can rub her too, and then she finishes with a HJ. Love them. Had some really nice, hot girls there, and you usually get to pick out of a lineup of at least 3 girls. All fully legal. But they're not cheap. More expensive than the equivalent service here, but it's nice that you don't have to sneak around to get it, and the quality is more controlled.
This is just banter, but what do you guys prefer? Independents or with bookers?
Seems like the consensus is people prefer independent, but I'm the other way around. Experiences are always mixed, but I've usually had a bad time trying to communicate with independents because they often don't know what they're doing, have it harder to balance the service with communication, and tend to be druggies or something and just forget or take ages to respond. Bookers' job is literally to book, so they do it way better. I want to point out another bad independent from tonight, but I won't say her name yet because I want to give her one more chance. We arranged for a time and she wanted to send me the address last minute. I'm waiting for her and send an occasional message that she leaves on "read". Finally an hour after we were supposed to meet she asks "wya? Not even an apology or explanation. Shit like this is why I never take what people like about this hobby seriously. "Independent are better" my ass. I only ask for objective info.
This is just banter, but what do you guys prefer? Independents or with bookers?
Seems like the consensus is people prefer independent, but I'm the other way around. Experiences are always mixed, but I've usually had a bad time trying to communicate with independents because they often don't know what they're doing, have it harder to balance the service with communication, and tend to be druggies or something and just forget or take ages to respond. Bookers' job is literally to book, so they do it way better. I want to point out another bad independent from tonight, but I won't say her name yet because I want to give her one more chance. We arranged for a time and she wanted to send me the address last minute. I'm waiting for her and send an occasional message that she leaves on "read". Finally an hour after we were supposed to meet she asks "wya? Not even an apology or explanation. Shit like this is why I never take what people like about this hobby seriously. "Independent are better" my ass. I only ask for objective info.First off I'll assume you mean bookers vs pimps.
I agree in general, that Bookers are normally better. Their communication skills are better and I get more timely responses. They control the girls schedule, so normally, the girl will be ready on time or within 15 min. This is especially helpful with the Asian houses. This allows the girls to focus their attention on us. Nothing worse than doing some girl in Doggy while she's texting on her phone.
That said, I've dealt with a number seasoned Indy girls who can manage both. They tend to be low volume or UTR. Indys that don't have their shit together, I don't seem to have an interest in seeing.
DarkRoomDaddy
02-26-23, 23:10
All of the Asians do that, although Korea just this year legally changed it so that officially they count their age the same way we do. Japan and China still do it the old way. Basically you're a year old when you're born and another year old on the lunar new year. So you could be born the day before Chinese New Year, and when you're one day old you're "age 2" under the Asian system.I thought when you are 6 months old, you are in your first year, so they say 1 as in 1st. If they went by when mommy and daddy did it they would be "1 year old" at the 3 month mark.
DarkRoomDaddy
02-26-23, 23:20
I'm not so sure it would drop the prices. Prostitution is legal in Nevada but have you seen what the ranches out there charge? I used to travel to Toronto quite often for work. They have legal body rub places there. Basically legal Jack shacks where the girl gets naked and gives you a rub for an hour, and you can rub her too, and then she finishes with a HJ. Love them. Had some really nice, hot girls there, and you usually get to pick out of a lineup of at least 3 girls. All fully legal. But they're not cheap. More expensive than the equivalent service here, but it's nice that you don't have to sneak around to get it, and the quality is more controlled.In Germany, its 50 eu for FS. Total. No extra tip. Private room. And 20 minutes or so. Often with a CBJ and doing the deed with a 25-40 year old. Usually from Eastern Europe (most often Romania) but some from other places like Venecuela once in a while.
It just does not make sense to pay $150 . $200 . $300 for what you can get for 50 EU in Amsterdam. I had one Bulgarian girl who did for 25 eu, and I gave her 35 and told her she was charging way too little. Then I go to Westminster and pay 40 for an hour, and they want 160 tip for the same thing (200). In China, 2/3 of the population makes that much in an entire month. That she got for spreading her legs for 20 minutes.
In Nevada, those official ranches are licenced by the state. Much like the pot places here now. So prices are high. But I bet you get a free lance girl in Vegas to come to your room for far less. Although she is not official or sanctioned.
In Germany, its 50 eu for FS. Total. No extra tip. Private room. And 20 minutes or so. Often with a CBJ and doing the deed with a 25-40 year old. Usually from Eastern Europe (most often Romania) but some from other places like Venecuela once in a while.
It just does not make sense to pay $150 . $200 . $300 for what you can get for 50 EU in Amsterdam. I had one Bulgarian girl who did for 25 eu, and I gave her 35 and told her she was charging way too little. Then I go to Westminster and pay 40 for an hour, and they want 160 tip for the same thing (200). In China, 2/3 of the population makes that much in an entire month. That she got for spreading her legs for 20 minutes.
In Nevada, those official ranches are licenced by the state. Much like the pot places here now. So prices are high. But I bet you get a free lance girl in Vegas to come to your room for far less. Although she is not official or sanctioned.The difference in Germany and Eastern Europe is it's totally legal and out in the open there. It's the supply and demand game. Since it's so out in the open and nobody has to tiptoe around legalities, supply outweighs demand and prices drop. In the US the only place it's legal is in Nevada, and not the parts of Nevada where anybody actually lives. It's illegal in Clark County which is where Vegas is. Outside of Clark County, the state is extremely sparsely populated. And the government regulation does drive up the cost some because of their required regular med checks and such, but these places just charge what they do because they can. The other side of supply and demand. Very low supply so prices go through the roof.
Freelance FS escorts tend to go for $300 - $400 for an hour these days in most parts of the country. Having girls come to your hotel is a whole different ballgame though. A lot of other potential minefields that you have to watch out for.
Lift Her Up
02-27-23, 18:28
The difference in Germany and Eastern Europe is it's totally legal and out in the open there. It's the supply and demand game. Since it's so out in the open and nobody has to tiptoe around legalities, supply outweighs demand and prices drop. In the US the only place it's legal is in Nevada, and not the parts of Nevada where anybody actually lives. It's illegal in Clark County which is where Vegas is. Outside of Clark County, the state is extremely sparsely populated. And the government regulation does drive up the cost some because of their required regular med checks and such, but these places just charge what they do because they can. The other side of supply and demand. Very low supply so prices go through the roof.
Freelance FS escorts tend to go for $300 - $400 for an hour these days in most parts of the country. Having girls come to your hotel is a whole different ballgame though. A lot of other potential minefields that you have to watch out for.Just a minor observation, I visited two places in Germany around 2019 and each was 80 Euros for CFS with BJ as well of course. Still a lot less than here. The girls had friendly accommodating attitudes, which for me is even more important that breast size, pussy tightness, whatever.
Lift Her Up.
In Germany, its 50 eu for FS. Total. No extra tip. Private room. And 20 minutes or so. Often with a CBJ and doing the deed with a 25-40 year old. Usually from Eastern Europe (most often Romania) but some from other places like Venecuela once in a while.Spot on. Germany and Czech Republic are great. Spain is also very good. Hottest chick I ever had was a model-quality early 20's Colombian for £50 in Madrid, CBJ and CFS. The equivalent stateside would be $500. The best deals are with girls that work out of apartments and advertise on local equivalents of CL. Save up and make the journey.
DarkRoomDaddy
02-28-23, 18:09
Just a minor observation, I visited two places in Germany around 2019 and each was 80 Euros for CFS with BJ as well of course. Still a lot less than here. The girls had friendly accommodating attitudes, which for me is even more important that breast size, pussy tightness, whatever.
Lift Her Up.Cologne has the largest brothel in Germany: 5 stories of girls, girls, girls. Smaller but nice red light district in Nuremburg, and a slightly sleazier RLD in Frankfurt. Always paid 50 eu or less, with no hassles. With one exception with Greek girl who agreed to 50 then tried to upsell me to 100 once in the room. These are all official red light areas like Amsterdam. Some friend have gone to some Eros spas outside of Frankfurt. I think you pay a cover charge, and there is food, hot tubs, and girls. You basically spend the day eating and fucking.
Spain. Only got massage HE. Barcelona has a blvd of parlors where the girls dress up. I think it was 40 + 40. But the thing about Spain isy you can go little nail clinics that are for women, and they will have one room in the back where they do a massage and HE.
France, Hungary, and Sicily: there are a few Chinese and Thai massage places with HE but not a lot.
Czech: I got pro posited by a hooker in Prague but when she realized I was a tourist it was no go. Apparently government cracks down on that.
Lift Her Up
03-02-23, 16:46
Once again, Grimmy has hit the nail on the head. I agree with his post in the Massage Parlor thread that went up a couple of hours ago, 32219. I've copied the lead-in below, and I'm responding here 'cause I think that's why Admin created this Rant thread.
The few times I've thought I was being overcharged, and the one time I got to the house (SGV) and found the asking price to be higher than on the ad, I've simply excused myself and explained why, calmly, and left. The women or the bookers can adjust to that, or not, as they choose. My own participation in this activity is limited solely by my budget, apparently a lot more limited than that of the frequent posters here, smiley-face, and that probably slightly influences the general pricing without my conscious attempt to do anything about it.
Lift Her UP.
"Pricing theory is a subject by itself. People have masters degrees in that stuff. One basic principle applies to everything though, and that is 'pricing is whatever the market will bear. ' As a small business owner, I can tell you that I'm going to charge as much as I can before it starts causing customers to stop coming. ".
Once again, Grimmy has hit the nail on the head. I agree with his post in the Massage Parlor thread that went up a couple of hours ago, 32219. I've copied the lead-in below, and I'm responding here 'cause I think that's why Admin created this Rant thread.
The few times I've thought I was being overcharged, and the one time I got to the house (SGV) and found the asking price to be higher than on the ad, I've simply excused myself and explained why, calmly, and left. The women or the bookers can adjust to that, or not, as they choose. My own participation in this activity is limited solely by my budget, apparently a lot more limited than that of the frequent posters here, smiley-face, and that probably slightly influences the general pricing without my conscious attempt to do anything about it.
Lift Her UP.
"Pricing theory is a subject by itself. People have masters degrees in that stuff. One basic principle applies to everything though, and that is 'pricing is whatever the market will bear. ' As a small business owner, I can tell you that I'm going to charge as much as I can before it starts causing customers to stop coming. ".Everything said is true, the only way we could truly have a chance in tipping increase is to have at least 50% of us all agree and stuck to our price of $40 being the max and normal HJ tip, but the chance of that taking place is slim to none, since there is going to be some that don't care, some that feels bad, some that are not on this thread, etc.
So I guess it just comes down to each individual and the YMMV.
Well thanks for the chat. It's always fun to chat about none sense to lighten the stress in life.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-03-23, 00:46
Everything said is true, the only way we could truly have a chance in tipping increase is to have at least 50% of us all agree and stuck to our price of $40 being the max and normal HJ tip, but the chance of that taking place is slim to none, since there is going to be some that don't care, some that feels bad, some that are not on this thread, etc.
So I guess it just comes down to each individual and the YMMV.
Well thanks for the chat. It's always fun to chat about none sense to lighten the stress in life.The problem is that all of us together maybe make 5% of their business. If they have 50 guys each and every day in some of these shops, and maybe 1 of those guys is one of us. So we have little leverage.
In Germany, its 50 eu for FS. Total. No extra tip. Private room. And 20 minutes or so. Often with a CBJ and doing the deed with a 25-40 year old. Usually from Eastern Europe (most often Romania) but some from other places like Venezuela once in a while.
It just does not make sense to pay $150 . $200 . $300 for what you can get for 50 EU in Amsterdam. I had one Bulgarian girl who did for 25 eu, and I gave her 35 and told her she was charging way too little. Then I go to Westminster and pay 40 for an hour, and they want 160 tip for the same thing (200). In China, 2/3 of the population makes that much in an entire month. That she got for spreading her legs for 20 minutes.
In Nevada, those official ranches are licenced by the state. Much like the pot places here now. So prices are high. But I bet you get a free lance girl in Vegas to come to your room for far less. Although she is not official or sanctioned.It makes sense to pay when you can't get to Germany and other places. I too use to visit Germany quite a bit, the last time I went was in 2019, pre-covid. All in the open in Germany, legalized, taxed and plenty of eastern European girls to work.
50 Euro gets you FS in a Bordello. But it's really barebones. 20 minutes, CBBJ, CFS. No shower, they hand you a paper towel to do your own wiped own. Personally, I like the FKKs. Cost quite a bit more. 50 euro entry, 80-120 Euro depending on you want. Usually a lot better service in an FKK. Nice rooms, showers, lounge. Romanian, Bulgarian, Moldovan, Hungarian. And they walk around topless or with just a towel on. Oh boy I miss those FKKs especially when you go into a warm FKK with gorgeous naked girls on a cold winter day!
Nowadays, I'm not traveling post covid. So there's no cheap FS or anything here.
Prostitution isn't going away so they may as well make it legal. That would drop the prices and therefore many of these 'victims' couldn't afford to participate and us mongers with have better rates. In all of these years. I haven't seen one person I felt was being marginalized. I'm sure that there are some marginalized and a lot of drug addicts etc. , but as far as the AMP parlors go. Everyone has a cell phone, is clean and is cognizant that I've seen. They could run out the front door any time if they wanted to quit. As Krystal once said "Massaging in Cali is probably a lot better than living in some foreign impoverished hell hole. ".Legalization doesn't make for lower prices. It's all in the details. Licensing, zoning restrictions, taxation, supply, demand, rent, easy visas, semi or full legality. All that plays into it.
I've been to places where it was relatively.
Cheap and legal. Singapore, Hong Kong, Brasil, Germany, Netherlands.
Cheap and illegal or perhaps illegal but tolerated, Korea (this kind of ended in the mid 2010's) and early 2010's, China in the 2000's, Malaysia.
Illegal and expensive, UAE (United Arab Emirates), Vietnam, USA.
Legal and expensive. Japan (quasi legal), Canada, New Zealand.
Given that. My favorite places have been the UAE and Germany. Opposite ends of the spectrum.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-03-23, 15:30
It makes sense to pay when you can't get to Germany and other places. I too use to visit Germany quite a bit, the last time I went was in 2019, pre-covid. All in the open in Germany, legalized, taxed and plenty of eastern European girls to work.
50 Euro gets you FS in a Bordello. But it's really barebones. 20 minutes, CBBJ, CFS. No shower, they hand you a paper towel to do your own wiped own. Personally, I like the FKKs. Cost quite a bit more. 50 euro entry, 80-120 Euro depending on you want. Usually a lot better service in an FKK. Nice rooms, showers, lounge. Romanian, Bulgarian, Moldovan, Hungarian. And they walk around topless or with just a towel on. Oh boy I miss those FKKs especially when you go into a warm FKK with gorgeous naked girls on a cold winter day!
Nowadays, I'm not traveling post covid. So there's no cheap FS or anything here.
Legalization doesn't make for lower prices. It's all in the details. Licensing, zoning restrictions, taxation, supply, demand, rent, easy visas, semi or full legality. All that plays into it..What goes on in Vietnam? I saw some videos on Youtube where a guy goes to Vietnam and it seems there are working girls there too. Although not as wild as Bangkok or Manilla.
Actually Philippines may be the best place. Cheap and legal. The girls speak English. They seem to like this thing where you lie flat on your back and they squat over you and do all the in-and-out work themselves. Its living like a king. And if you fall for one and want to get serious, they are actually pretty loving and loyal if you don't mind sending a few hundred back to their families every month.
What goes on in Vietnam? I saw some videos on Youtube where a guy goes to Vietnam and it seems there are working girls there too. Although not as wild as Bangkok or Manilla.
Actually Philippines may be the best place. Cheap and legal. The girls speak English. They seem to like this thing where you lie flat on your back and they squat over you and do all the in-and-out work themselves. Its living like a king. And if you fall for one and want to get serious, they are actually pretty loving and loyal if you don't mind sending a few hundred back to their families every month.Hoping this isn't getting too far OT. I've been to Saigon and Hanoi.
Last Saigon visit was mid 2010's so quite a while ago. There were barber shops then. There were a lot soapy non nude massage shops then, where they bath you head to toe and give you a HE. But I think now they've moved into higher end massage places with FS. There aren't a lot of FS places so they charge a lot. Relatively.
Last visit to Hanoi was right before pandemic. Very few FS places, usually higher end hotels. Also available in Chinese mainland hotels with casinos, then extremely pricey. I think you spend like $200-300 a pop on top of the bar and message fees which are like $100.
Back to the hotel massage places I did visit, Back then the girls wanted over 2. 2 mil VND tip for FS in hotel spas. Which now I think back isn't that much around $95, but you factor in the house fee. So your looking at 3 mil out the door $125 USD. $125 still ain't a lot of money IMHO, but when a bowl of noodles cost $24,000 to 30000 VND. A 2. 2 mil tip is almost like 100 bowls of noodles! That your food money for a month, 3 meals a day, working just one client. One I went to is across the street from the US consulate!
Also these hotel FS message places are like 3 to 4 times the cost of a nude soapy massage, so again relatively expensive.
While in Dubai I had met this Viet from Hanoi. When I visited Hanoi a year later, I missed her by just a few days. So I asked for her a hookup. She put me with a semi pro for $300. I negotiated down to maybe $200 or $250 (it's been a while). OMG. One of the most amazing experiences I had ever had. Sweet and innocent with a hidden naughty side. Unfortunately it was the last full day in Hanoi when I saw her. Would have loved to see her again.
I'm trying to get back to Hanoi in a month or two. Our schedules may just collide. I'm hoping to see both of them. Hope the semi pro still sees customers! I still keep I touch with them.
I see vids of people going to all sorts of stuff. Some of these places look like they are set up for locals. I've gone by hotels where I've seen a van load of girls get out. But without being a local I can't get into that. Or need to go smaller cities and towns, which I have not visited and need time to figure out which I don't have.
I've also seen many Viet girls working outside of Vietnam. Like in Singapore and Malaysia.
The Philippines, been there a while back but never mongered. I was just wasn't interested in hobbying then, but I have had Filipinas though outside of the Philippines.
Anyways I got to get out again. Hopefully very soon.
Legalization her would be awesome but I don't want street walkers everywhere. Some way both workers and the gov to make money, yet the barriers need not be too high. I just don't see it happening anytime soon and with any there's never any pragmatism in the US government at any level. Perhaps someone will put together a silly Proposition and it might pass to decriminalize.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-07-23, 17:40
Hoping this isn't getting too far OT. I've been to Saigon and Hanoi.
Last Saigon visit was mid 2010's so quite a while ago. There were barber shops then. There were a lot soapy non nude massage shops then, where they bath you head to toe and give you a HE. But I think now they've moved into higher end massage places with FS. There aren't a lot of FS places so they charge a lot. Relatively.
Last visit to Hanoi was right before pandemic. Very few FS places, usually higher end hotels. Also available in Chinese mainland hotels with casinos, then extremely pricey. I think you spend like $200-300 a pop on top of the bar and message fees which are like $100.
Back to the hotel massage places I did visit, Back then the girls wanted over 2. 2 mil VND tip for FS in hotel spas. Which now I think back isn't that much around $95, but you factor in the house fee. So your looking at 3 mil out the door $125 USD. $125 still ain't a lot of money IMHO, but when a bowl of noodles cost $24,000 to 30000 VND. A 2. 2 mil tip is almost like 100 bowls of noodles! That your food money for a month, 3 meals a day, working just one client. One I went to is across the street from the US consulate!
Also these hotel FS message places are like 3 to 4 times the cost of a nude soapy massage, so again relatively expensive.
While in Dubai I had met this Viet from Hanoi. When I visited Hanoi a year later, I missed her by just a few days. So I asked for her a hookup. She put me with a semi pro for $300. I negotiated down to maybe $200 or $250 (it's been a while). OMG. One of the most amazing experiences I had ever had. Sweet and innocent with a hidden naughty side. Unfortunately it was the last full day in Hanoi when I saw her. Would have loved to see her again..Thanks for the detailed report. I was in Philippines about 15 years ago and I think it was about 40 for FS. I know someone in Thailand recently and I think he said 75 for 2 hours in his hotel room.
DanCramerOc
03-09-23, 03:18
Okay, so I've been actively on this site for a few weeks now. I've read a bunch of useful (albeit, a bit dated) reviews and great mongering tips. My rant is with being a new and active user I want to post something and see a response (ideally) in under 4 hours. WTW, I realize by many things that this codebase is a bit old, but hire me. I can fix it and make a post, post in under 4 hours. JMTC!
Okay, so I've been actively on this site for a few weeks now. I've read a bunch of useful (albeit, a bit dated) reviews and great mongering tips. My rant is with being a new and active user I want to post something and see a response (ideally) in under 4 hours. WTW, I realize by many things that this codebase is a bit old, but hire me. I can fix it and make a post, post in under 4 hours. JMTC!As a regular member (vs Senior Member) your posts are moderated by the site, hence the delay in publishing. SR Members can post in realtime. We all went through this.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-10-23, 10:03
As a regular member (vs Senior Member) your posts are moderated by the site, hence the delay in publishing. SR Members can post in realtime. We all went through this.How do they determine a senior member? Is that time on the forum rather than number of posts? I see some senior members with 30 posts, and some regulars with 250.
FrankReynolds
03-10-23, 16:45
How do they determine a senior member? Is that time on the forum rather than number of posts? I see some senior members with 30 posts, and some regulars with 250.Didn't realize this is what determined post speed. I thought you became a senior at 100 posts.
As a regular member (vs Senior Member) your posts are moderated by the site, hence the delay in publishing. SR Members can post in realtime. We all went through this.I was wondering what was the difference between regular and senior.
Lift Her Up
03-10-23, 17:57
How do they determine a senior member? Is that time on the forum rather than number of posts? I see some senior members with 30 posts, and some regulars with 250.I believe Senior status comes after 25 posts. However, a couple of Senior members here were recently placed back in the Regular member category so their posts could be monitored more closely, because of some posts they made that could be seen as outside the bounds of what is permitted here.
Lift Her Up.
How do they determine a senior member?For an explanation of the difference between regular and senior membership, and how a member moves from regular to senior status, read the Membership Type Questions thread in the FAQ section of this website.
As a regular member (vs Senior Member) your posts are moderated by the site, hence the delay in publishing. SR Members can post in realtime. We all went through this.I've been a Senior Member for a while and my posts still get moderated.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-12-23, 10:03
For an explanation of the difference between regular and senior membership, and how a member moves from regular to senior status, read the Membership Type Questions thread in the FAQ section of this website.Just to inform all of us here, can you share with us how did you become a senior member with 34 posts, and I was a regular member with 250?
PelicanT99
03-12-23, 10:44
Just to inform all of us here, can you share with us how did you become a senior member with 34 posts, and I was a regular member with 250?I do not know anything about your individual case, but generally from what I've seen it's being busted down by admin due to infractions, like being put on permanent moderation with steroids. So your answer is likely in the mirror LOL.
I wish there was some "useful content" requirement on the 25 posts to get to senior status; I often see "senior" guys who posted nothing but questions 25 x and waited six months. But I guess admin has too much on the plate to track that for every user. And if you call out a leech, you often get an infraction yourself. Better to just evaluate & be judicious about whose messages & posts get substantive answers. So "senior" really doesn't mean much to me.
Just to inform all of us here, can you share with us how did you become a senior member with 34 posts, and I was a regular member with 250?There's a time frame of six months as well. So if all of your 250 posts were in 5 months you'd stay a regular until that 6th month.
25 posts. 6 months. Or so says the FAQ.
But I guess admin has too much on the plate to track that for every user. And if you call out a leech, you often get an infraction yourself. Better to just evaluate & be judicious about whose messages & posts get substantive answers. So "senior" really doesn't mean much to me.I'm am sure it's an algorithm that takes in several data points to automate the process.
Much like the topic of "levels" are debated off & on on HX. That algorithm has built in safeguards to prevent crap from having an undue influence.
BenderOver
03-12-23, 17:58
The homeless girls that stay in the area as a local aren't typically the ones I hit up. The best but rarest ones are the young girls that kicked out to the streets again, I had 4 of them that were very submissive, but they prioritize getting high before all else, I had an 8/10 23 yr get out of my car cause she wanted fentanyl (super hot girl / smelled like straight piss tho).
Bus stops, parks, walking on sidewalks are the ones that I approach. Typically they have like 2-3 bags on them, that's how you know they're homeless. If they have a shopping cart on them forget, they won't abandon it.
Ill drive around where I know there are homeless / drug addicts lingering around. I'll park my car, get out and approach them.
Easiest way to break the ice is getting a dollar bill and asking them if they have a ciggette I can buy off them, opens them up and from there invite them in your car to go get weed / drinks or food.
Then once In the car you find out more about them, once you manage to bring them home, get them to shower first before anything else. Then they are going to be asking you if you have any drugs. Luckily I have a few connects. Its easy to hook up with them after that.This type of mongering has backfired on me almost everytime. Result would be me trying to give $5 to persuade a tripped out lunatic that stinks my car up to please get the fuck out.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-15-23, 13:02
I do not know anything about your individual case, but generally from what I've seen it's being busted down by admin due to infractions, like being put on permanent moderation with steroids. So your answer is likely in the mirror LOL.
I wish there was some "useful content" requirement on the 25 posts to get to senior status; I often see "senior" guys who posted nothing but questions 25 x and waited six months. But I guess admin has too much on the plate to track that for every user. And if you call out a leech, you often get an infraction yourself. Better to just evaluate & be judicious about whose messages & posts get substantive answers. So "senior" really doesn't mean much to me.Yes that's a good idea. It seems there is a sequence of "new" guys who build up their contributions with little questions and dubious reviews. Within a few weeks they can get to 50-100 messages.
DanCramerOc
03-16-23, 19:20
Good god men, stop using the booking agents like Krystal and company, this massage aggregation monger (MAM) is driving prices up for us all. Over the past few years I have visited many girls that have their own IG accounts, they have the spa's IG page, and recently have been listed on these broker sites as well. I have asked several of these providers what the deal is, and they told me they pay $40 right off the top for the service referral. This makes sense since the 1 hr nuru rates went from $160 to $200. Furthermore, the names are different than the spa, so you might be getting somebody you don't want.
Hey, I completely understand this business plan and if I could do it I would. First get all the girls to list on the brokerage IG page, then get the spa to let them manage the listing. In the near future you will only be able to book through the broker. Please stop giving control over to these MAMs.
As a side note, please beware of people that are always asking for details in PM of your experiences without sharing their own, all they are doing is using you as a resource for their portfolio. I have noticed this with AsianPussy who I suspect is Krystal or directly lobbying for her based on personal communication they have sent me and reviewing their posts. Check for yourself.
MongerSeeker
03-17-23, 00:00
I agree the girls that have gotten kicked out of a hotel are the best if you can find them. I used to find them occasionally. But have found one in years. The addicts are good as well. I was seeing this one blonde named Brittany that was a fentanyl addict in SD. I have not managed to find any good homeless girls. I rarely if ever see any homeless girls worth even considering. Where do the homeless & druggie girls hang out in OC. ?. I think finding a teen shelter would be a great place. I am sure you could find some legal hot young girls there. Years ago I was at a church and they had a AA meeting. I was amazed how many hot girls there were.
The homeless girls that stay in the area as a local aren't typically the ones I hit up. The best but rarest ones are the young girls that kicked out to the streets again, I had 4 of them that were very submissive, but they prioritize getting high before all else, I had an 8/10 23 yr get out of my car cause she wanted fentanyl (super hot girl / smelled like straight piss tho).
Bus stops, parks, walking on sidewalks are the ones that I approach. Typically they have like 2-3 bags on them, that's how you know they're homeless. If they have a shopping cart on them forget, they won't abandon it.
Ill drive around where I know there are homeless / drug addicts lingering around. I'll park my car, get out and approach them.
Easiest way to break the ice is getting a dollar bill and asking them if they have a ciggette I can buy off them, opens them up and from there invite them in your car to go get weed / drinks or food.
Then once In the car you find out more about them, once you manage to bring them home, get them to shower first before anything else. Then they are going to be asking you if you have any drugs. Luckily I have a few connects. Its easy to hook up with them after that.
AlCapone2006
03-17-23, 23:23
Good god men, stop using the booking agents like Krystal and company, this massage aggregation monger (MAM) is driving prices up for us all. Over the past few years I have visited many girls that have their own IG accounts, they have the spa's IG page, and recently have been listed on these broker sites as well. I have asked several of these providers what the deal is, and they told me they pay $40 right off the top for the service referral. This makes sense since the 1 hr nuru rates went from $160 to $200. Furthermore, the names are different than the spa, so you might be getting somebody you don't want.
Hey, I completely understand this business plan and if I could do it I would. First get all the girls to list on the brokerage IG page, then get the spa to let them manage the listing. In the near future you will only be able to book through the broker. Please stop giving control over to these MAMs.
As a side note, please beware of people that are always asking for details in PM of your experiences without sharing their own, all they are doing is using you as a resource for their portfolio. I have noticed this with AsianPussy who I suspect is Krystal or directly lobbying for her based on personal communication they have sent me and reviewing their posts. Check for yourself.Watch out for paper tigers. / hidden dragon. He asks way too much. He's a shill for shuure or. DespaCito Lmao.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-18-23, 00:05
Watch out for paper tigers. / hidden dragon. He asks way too much. He's a shill for shuure or. DespaCito Lmao.Why do you call him a shill? Did he write 30 posts about NightFunPages? Did he write half a dozen posts attacking other monger's posts as if he was the Admin? Those things are pretty bad in my view, but I have never seen Paper Triger do any of that.
DarkRoomDaddy
03-18-23, 00:12
Good god men, stop using the booking agents like Krystal and company, this massage aggregation monger (MAM) is driving prices up for us all. Over the past few years I have visited many girls that have their own IG accounts, they have the spa's IG page, and recently have been listed on these broker sites as well. I have asked several of these providers what the deal is, and they told me they pay $40 right off the top for the service referral. This makes sense since the 1 hr nuru rates went from $160 to $200. Furthermore, the names are different than the spa, so you might be getting somebody you don't want.
Hey, I completely understand this business plan and if I could do it I would. First get all the girls to list on the brokerage IG page, then get the spa to let them manage the listing. In the near future you will only be able to book through the broker. Please stop giving control over to these MAMs.
As a side note, please beware of people that are always asking for details in PM of your experiences without sharing their own, all they are doing is using you as a resource for their portfolio. I have noticed this with AsianPussy who I suspect is Krystal or directly lobbying for her based on personal communication they have sent me and reviewing their posts. Check for yourself.I guess there is no way to prevent shills. At times some people slag a shop with obviously false reviews while pushing some obscure place. Meanwhile there are plenty of good shops which are never mentioned at all. I am not sure what the answer is.
I noticed RubmD went down this weekend. If you guys remember, back last year Rubratings got hacked by the folks at RubMD according to the Rubratings folks.
So I'm wondering if the people behind Rubratings got their revenge and hired hackers to take down RubmD?
The pay sites seem to be much better: Bedpage, and other paysites week out the phony CashApp scams on free sites such as Megapersonals, Nightfunpages is free also, lots of fakes.
Maybe this observation and question is better suited for the Massage Parlor thread, but since it's not directly related to the experiences there, I'll post it here instead.
Since Believe in SA does regular rotations of its providers, usually with a minimum of 5 days to a maximum of 10 days before the girls are routed to other locations, I'm curious about their business model. Another guy noted that in some places, like LV, this operational practice is pretty standard. (A good marketing tactic for providing "fresh girls' to keep mongers coming back for more). I get that.
My follow up to the above is since many of the girls at Believe live in San Gabriel or thereabouts, and the place opens at 9 am and closes late, might the girls in the current rotation be sleeping there, too? Because commuting from San Gabriel to SA during the peak morning commute is going to take an hour or more, and the commute back after 10 am is probably still 40 minutes. Seems like these lovelies would get pretty burned out from working long hours with long daily commutes, too.
And since the majority of them are friendly and energetic, perhaps having them do sleepovers while they're on assignment makes sense. Not that I'm planning on opening up a parlor anytime soon, but I'm am curious. Thoughts?
Alowicious
03-24-23, 11:43
Without any proof to back this up, I'm going to say I'm 99% sure you're right. If you do enough poking your head around a lot of the jack shack places, you'll see there's usually a separate room or to set up for short-term living arrangements.
Well, okay, maybe not "any proof," but purely circumstantial. I'm doing the reverse: I live in OC and am working a multi-day gig in Rosemead right now. It's easier for me to stay overnights up there until I wrap up the work.
And no, this is the right place for this discussion. The MP thread is supposed to be for reviews and related topics, though you see how well that's honored.
Maybe this observation and question is better suited for the Massage Parlor thread, but since it's not directly related to the experiences there, I'll post it here instead.
Since Believe in SA does regular rotations of its providers, usually with a minimum of 5 days to a maximum of 10 days before the girls are routed to other locations, I'm curious about their business model. Another guy noted that in some places, like LV, this operational practice is pretty standard. (A good marketing tactic for providing "fresh girls' to keep mongers coming back for more). I get that.
My follow up to the above is since many of the girls at Believe live in San Gabriel or thereabouts, and the place opens at 9 am and closes late, might the girls in the current rotation be sleeping there, too? Because commuting from San Gabriel to SA during the peak morning commute is going to take an hour or more, and the commute back after 10 am is probably still 40 minutes. Seems like these lovelies would get pretty burned out from working long hours with long daily commutes, too.
And since the majority of them are friendly and energetic, perhaps having them do sleepovers while they're on assignment makes sense. Not that I'm planning on opening up a parlor anytime soon, but I'm am curious. Thoughts?
Some people mentioned this in an KAAMP thread but heard nothing of it. Someone DM me if it should be kept on the DL?
Without any proof to back this up, I'm going to say I'm 99% sure you're right. If you do enough poking your head around a lot of the jack shack places, you'll see there's usually a separate room or to set up for short-term living arrangements.True, and I've noted this before at a few other places. Most of them, of course, have a separate room with a mattress, table and other accoutrements for comfort when the girlies are not servicing one of us. With Beiieve, in particular, when I was last there during their opening hour, there was a plastic bag of overripe fruit in the bathroom sink. I think Jojo and Mia were still waking up, so I suppose it was an oversight. However, I guess they do have their separate comfort room with sleeping quarters, which must have a fridge, and hopefully, a shower for them.
PaperTiger24
03-26-23, 12:12
I'm pretty sure they shack up there when they're on rotation.
One time I was at believe it was towards closing and on the monitors in the room I saw a girl get dropped off with a couple of carry on luggage. I asked who's that and she said it's the new girl coming in for the next schedule. Driver helped bring her stuff in and then left.
Without any proof to back this up, I'm going to say I'm 99% sure you're right. If you do enough poking your head around a lot of the jack shack places, you'll see there's usually a separate room or to set up for short-term living arrangements.I think most / virtually all these places have girls sleeping there.
That's probably how cities like Irvine got rid of all thier jack shacks. Two words.
Code enforcement.
If a city can't bust them for what's going on between two consenting adults, then they use other means.
A typical massage parlor place isn't zoned for residential, so if there is evidence of someone spending the night (bed / luggage / whatever) - I think that's how they get removed.
Yes / no?
Wow, only great things from all his reviews! All his sessions are great! Sounds not realistic and shilltastic when everything is instagram reference at the end but hey I could be wrong.
Wow, only great things from all his reviews! All his sessions are great! Sounds not realistic and shilltastic when everything is instagram reference at the end but hey I could be wrong.He has the luck of the Iris. LOL.
He has definitely come thru for me met some great sb's from his recommendations.
Wow, only great things from all his reviews! All his sessions are great! Sounds not realistic and shilltastic when everything is instagram reference at the end but hey I could be wrong.
I think most / virtually all these places have girls sleeping there.
That's probably how cities like Irvine got rid of all thier jack shacks. Two words.
Code enforcement.
If a city can't bust them for what's going on between two consenting adults, then they use other means.
A typical massage parlor place isn't zoned for residential, so if there is evidence of someone spending the night (bed / luggage / whatever) - I think that's how they get removed.
Yes / no?The thing to remember is that there is no state massage license in California. Massage is regulated at the city level here. Almost all cities have massage ordinances in their muni codes. If you want to see what any given city does, look up their muni code online and search for massage. Some cities are very strict and others are not. That's why you have big concentrations of MPs in some cities and none in others. Almost all cities prohibit sleeping in the facilities, or say everyone has to be out of the facility between 10 PM and 8 AM or something like that. Some cities like Costa Mesa put in ridiculous stuff like mandating no light dimmers in the rooms and inward looking peepholes for random inspections.
If a city wants to shut down an MP there are MANY different non-LE ways to do it. Code enforcement is one of them. I can assure you that almost no massage establishments in Costa Mesa meet code, even legit ones, because what's in the code is absurd and unworkable for a legit place. But if someone from the city wanted to be an asshole and crack down, the mechanism is in place for them to do it. Another area is labor code enforcement. These places are almost without exception blatantly violating labor code. All someone has to do is show up and ask to see the past 2 paystubs for everyone working and they'd have a big problem. Tax evasion is a big one too. Have the FTB go in and audit their tax records and they'd see that they're hiding most of their income. Health department violations- there isn't an AMP on the planet that's in compliance with local health codes. I've already talked a lot here about spa laundry so I won't open that Pandora's box again. I know of one AMP on SoCal where the health inspectors went in and opened a drawer and it literally smelled like shit. Turns out the girls were using disposable gloves to do prostate rubs and just tossing them in the drawer so they could re-use them on another customer. They quickly got shut down, as they should have been. I know of quite a few that got shut down when code inspectors found evidence of the girls illegally living inside.
The thing is that a lot of cities don't care that much, as long as the places stay fairly under the radar. They know what goes on in each and every one of them, it it's contained and off the streets. If they bust these places all they do is scatter them or drive them underground. Back when I lived in Downey years ago I was in a ride along with a cop. He actually pointed out all of the AMPs in town and said they knew exactly what goes on in there, but they'd rather have it in there than in the cheap motel down the street where there's street prostitution, drug deals, and other nefarious stuff going on. As long as they aren't becoming a public nuisance it's mostly harmless.
AlCapone2006
03-31-23, 14:46
I think most / virtually all these places have girls sleeping there.
That's probably how cities like Irvine got rid of all thier jack shacks. Two words.
Code enforcement.
If a city can't bust them for what's going on between two consenting adults, then they use other means.
A typical massage parlor place isn't zoned for residential, so if there is evidence of someone spending the night (bed / luggage / whatever) - I think that's how they get removed.
Yes / no?Betrrr not get caught whilst they raid a place. Cops put bs lies. And plant evidence. It's all about the benjamins.
AlCapone2006
03-31-23, 14:48
Wow, only great things from all his reviews! All his sessions are great! Sounds not realistic and shilltastic when everything is instagram reference at the end but hey I could be wrong.Bedpage has lots of ads I referred. I don't work with them do I?
Paranoia. Is what is in here LOL.
BTW. Most AMPs that have hot girls rotate. That's just the way it it's.
I got Ella and Jojo number. So they aren't not trafficked. Who cares what these owners do w their employees.
Every one of them girls work independently. It's like the good ol days. No pimps. Most have husbands here and children. It's ez money.
AlCapone2006
03-31-23, 14:50
The girls like traveling. Look at Vegas AMPs. They get rotated every 2 weeks.
Stop questioning and just enjoy the new girls.
I'm sure if you visit them enough you can be a jojos bf or husband too. Don't think because you too.
Them well they will stay. Most like their jobs. And the money it seems.
DarkRoomDaddy
04-04-23, 11:31
Bedpage has lots of ads I referred. I don't work with them do I?
Paranoia. Is what is in here LOL.
BTW. Most AMPs that have hot girls rotate. That's just the way it it's.
I got Ella and Jojo number. So they aren't not trafficked. Who cares what these owners do w their employees.
Every one of them girls work independently. It's like the good ol days. No pimps. Most have husbands here and children. It's ez money.Girls moving every few weeks is a huge red flag. They are probably being managed by pimps who take most of their money. I can't really enjoy a session knowing that the woman may be doing it against her will.
DarkRoomDaddy
04-04-23, 17:51
Betrrr not get caught whilst they raid a place. Cops put bs lies. And plant evidence. It's all about the benjamins.Thank you Al Capone. Its great to get expert advice from a well known criminal.
DarkRoomDaddy
04-04-23, 18:01
Without any proof to back this up, I'm going to say I'm 99% sure you're right. If you do enough poking your head around a lot of the jack shack places, you'll see there's usually a separate room or to set up for short-term living arrangements.
Well, okay, maybe not "any proof," but purely circumstantial. I'm doing the reverse: I live in OC and am working a multi-day gig in Rosemead right now. It's easier for me to stay overnights up there until I wrap up the work.
And no, this is the right place for this discussion. The MP thread is supposed to be for reviews and related topics, though you see how well that's honored.At all these shops, the girls nap and eat at all hours. So the presence of a bed and pot don't prove much. Where would they store all their worldly belongings? Where would they shower?
Nice Guy 99
04-04-23, 21:42
At all these shops, the girls nap and eat at all hours. So the presence of a bed and pot don't prove much. Where would they store all their worldly belongings? Where would they shower?They shower?? What places do you go? I like end of the day girls with no showers.
SukijoSeiwaka
04-05-23, 02:34
Just two years ago Harbor Blvd was the place to go if you needed a BBBJ from a street walker.
I didn't even have to ask.
They'd just start sucking and it was wonderful.Santa Ana is a perfect example of what happens when long established sets listen to outsiders and begin betraying their own clients. Spiking prices up, running fashion shows vs sex performances, and abusing their platform for socio / political statements. This is what led to the streetwalker monopoly we see in this region today. Santa Ana was a Latino scene emulating south American zonas. They followed the advice of outsiders and burned their bridge. When they needed help saving themselves, that bridge of protection was burned and now look what happened.
Remember all those businesses, street merchants, etc who profited from the streetwalkers and mongers? Gone. Remember all the economic stimulation for Jack in the box, 7/11, etc? Gone. Remember the influx of Latinas from Pasadena and other nonblack races? Gone. They threw it all away to listen to people who, ended up monopolizing the street scene. All this did was ruin the street scene and drive more money into the Asian scene. Which isn't bad but, just think about all the people who bought and sold things in that micro economy. Think about all the money lost from that. Now Santa Anas Harbor scene is nothing.
This is what happens when you try to cheat the system, burn your protection bridge and disrespect your clients. The monopoly that formed only made higher quality clients opt for the Asian scene. Basically, men who have the money would rather pay more at an AMP, AAMP than listen to young black men screaming at women, actresses gauging their beauty based on how many guys pull up to them then giving some bs lines about, "it's $1 k, or I don't date insert race etc. " and the other nonsense you see at these scenes. As an Asian booker or mms, I'd be satisfied as this made desirable street clients run to our establishments. As a black or Latino scene, I'd feel pretty retarded because, all I did was ruin economic stimulation in my micro economy, make Asians even richer and hindered social mobility for women from poorer backgrounds.
DarkRoomDaddy
04-05-23, 10:04
They shower?? What places do you go? I like end of the day girls with no showers.Airbody on Westminster E of Brookhurst has a shower I think.
Sexaholic777
04-06-23, 16:56
Dude too funny on the shit you post. You pick our certain. Memwbers thst don't listen to your bs. Lots of AMPs have different girls. They aren't being trafficked. And they pricey for you. And you mouth off for no reason. Thanks cucks.
DarkRoomDaddy
04-06-23, 17:16
Dude too funny on the shit you post. You pick our certain. Memwbers thst don't listen to your bs. Lots of AMPs have different girls. They aren't being trafficked. And they pricey for you. And you mouth off for no reason. Thanks cucks.My troll meter is off the charts.
James D 2004
04-07-23, 14:49
Santa Ana is a perfect example of what happens when long established sets listen to outsiders and begin betraying their own clients. Spiking prices up, running fashion shows vs sex performances, and abusing their platform for socio / political statements. This is what led to the streetwalker monopoly we see in this region today. Santa Ana was a Latino scene emulating south American zonas. They followed the advice of outsiders and burned their bridge. When they needed help saving themselves, that bridge of protection was burned and now look what happened.
Remember all those businesses, street merchants, etc who profited from the streetwalkers and mongers? Gone. Remember all the economic stimulation for Jack in the box, 7/11, etc? Gone. Remember the influx of Latinas from Pasadena and other nonblack races? Gone. They threw it all away to listen to people who, ended up monopolizing the street scene. All this did was ruin the street scene and drive more money into the Asian scene. Which isn't bad but, just think about all the people who bought and sold things in that micro economy. Think about all the money lost from that. Now Santa Anas Harbor scene is nothing.
This is what happens when you try to cheat the system, burn your protection bridge and disrespect your clients. The monopoly that formed only made higher quality clients opt for the Asian scene. Basically, men who have the money would rather pay more at an AMP, AAMP than listen to young black men screaming at women, actresses gauging their beauty based on how many guys pull up to them then giving some bs lines about, "it's $1 k, or I don't date insert race etc. " and the other nonsense you see at these scenes. As an Asian booker or mms, I'd be satisfied as this made desirable street clients run to our establishments. As a black or Latino scene, I'd feel pretty retarded because, all I did was ruin economic stimulation in my micro economy, make Asians even richer and hindered social mobility for women from poorer backgrounds.You are funny as hell. I can't wait to follow your advantages.
My advice is, if you can get an erection, you are attracted to them. But if you are good at glory holes that you can function by shutting off your visuals, it's a gift.
The case of Santa Ana is gentrification. Nice apartments are built right at the most frequent pickup points. It would be hard for residents to tolerate all-night activities on only one short street. I don't think any merchants like any business the ladies brought. Most are closed. The 7-11 at ground central hated them. They also don't need them. Two more 7-11 popped up nearby together with the housing developments.
You can't keep it local. Clients went where the ladies are like LA. The ladies went where the money is like once upon in Santa Ana. Once I took a detour after 3 am. A pair of gorgeous girls showed off themselves walking pass my car. I wasn't in the condition to fock even one of them. It will be expensive and I would not be physical to get my money back. Sadly never saw the type again. My after thought was that they were underage.
SukijoSeiwaka
04-08-23, 02:47
You are funny as hell. I can't wait to follow your advantages.
My advice is, if you can get an erection, you are attracted to them. But if you are good at glory holes that you can function by shutting off your visuals, it's a gift.
The case of Santa Ana is gentrification. Nice apartments are built right at the most frequent pickup points. It would be hard for residents to tolerate all-night activities on only one short street. I don't think any merchants like any business the ladies brought. Most are closed. The 7-11 at ground central hated them. They also don't need them. Two more 7-11 popped up nearby together with the housing developments.
You can't keep it local. Clients went where the ladies are like LA. The ladies went where the money is like once upon in Santa Ana. Once I took a detour after 3 am. A pair of gorgeous girls showed off themselves walking pass my car. I wasn't in the condition to fock even one of them. It will be expensive and I would not be physical to get my money back. Sadly never saw the type again. My after thought was that they were underage.I'm an unplugged insider and you're wrong. Fortunately, I play a role where I can say whatever I want. So good for people who need answers. There were actually a lot of steet vendors and foot traffic to late night restaurants. We had a major budget crisis and now the idiots who caused these problems are desperate for money. Gentrification means nothing when some people don't even have running water. It was and still is a working class town. The street scene brought a lot of outside money. I've observed a lot of these "moral" types who hated the street scene change their tune when the budget went bust.
To simplify: The money being put into Asian scenes would've been better used by the Latino culture because Santa Ana is a Latino city. The average guy going to Santa Ana doesn't want to go to black scenes. So instead, they take their money to Asians (which I'm not against and support). It's like how the best clients from black scenes have moved onto Asian Scenes. These guys who have the money to pay the average rate, don't cause problems, and mind their own business just want their dick sucked on average. Black scenes and later santa ana couldn't comprehend this and now all that money is being redirected to Asian scenes. It's just common sense.
James D 2004
04-08-23, 18:16
I'm an unplugged insider and you're wrong. Fortunately, I play a role where I can say whatever I want. So good for people who need answers. There were actually a lot of steet vendors and foot traffic to late night restaurants. We had a major budget crisis and now the idiots who caused these problems are desperate for money. Gentrification means nothing when some people don't even have running water. It was and still is a working class town. The street scene brought a lot of outside money. I've observed a lot of these "moral" types who hated the street scene change their tune when the budget went bust.
To simplify: The money being put into Asian scenes would've been better used by the Latino culture because Santa Ana is a Latino city. The average guy going to Santa Ana doesn't want to go to black scenes. So instead, they take their money to Asians (which I'm not against and support). It's like how the best clients from black scenes have moved onto Asian Scenes. These guys who have the money to pay the average rate, don't cause problems, and mind their own business just want their dick sucked on average. Black scenes and later santa ana couldn't comprehend this and now all that money is being redirected to Asian scenes. It's just common sense.What do those people cruising around Harbor bring? They mostly come after midnight until the small hours. I never see any street vendors. I don't think any cruisers will want to get out of their car to eat and drink. Even if they do there may be one restaurant, Jack in the box, and 7-11 are open. The 7-11 once broadcast sermons in the plaza throughout the night.
The track is small on Bewley Street from Hazard to Washington. Don't you respect the locals who live there? I saw them sitting outside late at night staring at the cars and girls to discourage them. Cops do the rest. Now there are new houses right at Hazzard and beyond.
While the Harbor track has its up and downs, being dormant for years at a time, there is always a vibrant economy in that place. The huge plaza at 1st is forever there, also another one at Westminster. Now there are more upscale dealerships there.
I did miss the Starbuck that appeared for a short time that didn't survive the last recession where I live streamed.
DarkRoomDaddy
04-10-23, 00:25
You are funny as hell. I can't wait to follow your advantages.
My advice is, if you can get an erection, you are attracted to them. But if you are good at glory holes that you can function by shutting off your visuals, it's a gift.
The case of Santa Ana is gentrification. Nice apartments are built right at the most frequent pickup points. It would be hard for residents to tolerate all-night activities on only one short street. I don't think any merchants like any business the ladies brought. Most are closed. The 7-11 at ground central hated them. They also don't need them. Two more 7-11 popped up nearby together with the housing developments.
You can't keep it local. Clients went where the ladies are like LA. The ladies went where the money is like once upon in Santa Ana. Once I took a detour after 3 am. A pair of gorgeous girls showed off themselves walking pass my car. I wasn't in the condition to fock even one of them. It will be expensive and I would not be physical to get my money back. Sadly never saw the type again. My after thought was that they were underage.What part of Santa Ana are you talking about? I have never seen street walkers. I have seen some areas where I kinda feared of getting mugged though.
Many, many a moon ago, there used to be black and other hookers on Sunset Blvd. You would come to a stop sign, and they would walk up from either side of your car, and proposition you. Including reaching their hand in and grabbing your nuts to get a little taste. I never employed them, but I did ask what the game plan would be, and she said we could go over to the alley behind some stores, and she could touch her toes or something and hike her skirt, and let me have at it standing up. I declined that generous offer lest her associates hiding in the shadows let me have it with some baseball bats.
My only experience with Latino MP was a place in Fountain Valley on Slater and Brookhurst roughly. Upstairs. You would go in and get a fat latina with giant casabas to do the massage, then she would bring in a Vietnamese "closer" to handle your dick. It was a weird scene, and the Latina did all the talking so I handed 40 to her at the end nothing to the other girl assuming they would split it since they were experienced working together, and it seemed to spook her.
Ace McNasty
04-12-23, 09:48
What is going on with Hx? Tons of these bible thumping dudes complaining about blatant advertising for BBFS. Posting blogs nearly every other day asking for BBFS accounts to be banned, along with every one on their network. Then also ban the other chicks that the BB dudes rated, then continue banning each and every degree of separation until HX is virtually empty LOL.
Once a sanctimonious douchebag calls for burning at the stake, the rest of the hypocrites pile on and long for the good 'ol days when BBFS was never a thing on Hx. Was it really?
The Salem witch hunt got so bad that the Asian orgs cleaned up their albums and ads. This K-org edited their pics from BBFS to a wholesome clean K-girl named Mimi after these whiny blogs were posted ha ha ha!
KathmanDouche
04-12-23, 18:51
What is going on with Hx? Tons of these bible thumping dudes complaining about blatant advertising for BBFS. Posting blogs nearly every other day asking for BBFS accounts to be banned, along with every one on their network. Then also ban the other chicks that the BB dudes rated, then continue banning each and every degree of separation until HX is virtually empty LOL.
Once a sanctimonious douchebag calls for burning at the stake, the rest of the hypocrites pile on and long for the good 'ol days when BBFS was never a thing on Hx. Was it really?
The Salem witch hunt got so bad that the Asian orgs cleaned up their albums and ads. This K-org edited their pics from BBFS to a wholesome clean K-girl named Mimi after these whiny blogs were posted ha ha ha!Sanctimonious fags have been taken by TikTok, modern movies and media. Messaging is the same across platforms. Men are bad and women need to be defended and believed at all costs. They virtue signal and claim disgust with BBFS and are basically now confused faggot feminists. HX is on life support at this point. The site owners have vanished since some dude posted on Youtube about them involved in trafficking, site mods don't do anything. The users who were prominent when it was in its hey day are old or dead and the younger generation consists of woke, scared, faggots, who capitulate to whatever the women say. Fuck it. Move on.
What is going on with Hx? Tons of these bible thumping dudes complaining about blatant advertising for BBFS. Posting blogs nearly every other day asking for BBFS accounts to be banned, along with every one on their network. Then also ban the other chicks that the BB dudes rated, then continue banning each and every degree of separation until HX is virtually empty LOL.
Once a sanctimonious douchebag calls for burning at the stake, the rest of the hypocrites pile on and long for the good 'ol days when BBFS was never a thing on Hx. Was it really?
The Salem witch hunt got so bad that the Asian orgs cleaned up their albums and ads. This K-org edited their pics from BBFS to a wholesome clean K-girl named Mimi after these whiny blogs were posted ha ha ha!What the anti-BBFS protesters really mean is -- let's publicly bash BBFS, so when we get it from a girl, we can pretend that we are "special". Really just a bunch of simps.
Sanctimonious fags.
and the younger generation consists of woke, scared, faggots, who capitulate to whatever the women say. Fuck it. Move on.
I am in 1000% agreement but that F word is not a very nice word to use.
DarkRoomDaddy
04-24-23, 15:41
Dude too funny on the shit you post. You pick our certain. Memwbers thst don't listen to your bs. Lots of AMPs have different girls. They aren't being trafficked. And they pricey for you. And you mouth off for no reason. Thanks cucks.Is it only Al Capone and Sexaholic that keep reporting NightFunPages? I am wondering if that is legit or a scam.
Lift Her Up
04-27-23, 01:07
Is it only Al Capone and Sexaholic that keep reporting NightFunPages? I am wondering if that is legit or a scam.I've never been able to get NightFunPages to work. Probably me, I guess I'm not smart enough. Really the only one I've had success finding partners with is AdultSearch.com, plus one disappointing session located via AdultLook.com.
Lift Her Up.
Plasma Spray
05-05-23, 17:35
How old is a girl if you fins some specks of gray hair?
My MILF says she is in her late twenties. But I found some strands if gray in her pubes. I did not confront her.
Lift Her Up
05-07-23, 17:43
How old is a girl if you fins some specks of gray hair?
My MILF says she is in her late twenties. But I found some strands if gray in her pubes. I did not confront her.I knew a 17-year-old, one for sure and I think two, who had a few gray hairs on their head. One from Hong Kong, one White girl. (No I didn't screw them, I knew them in other venues.).
Lift Her Up.
I knew a 17-year-old, one for sure and I think two, who had a few gray hairs on their head. One from Hong Kong, one White girl. (No I didn't screw them, I knew them in other venues.).
Lift Her Up.Yep, I've seen some pretty young girls with traces of grey. My wife started getting them in her mid 20's. So it really isn't tied into age as much as people think. It's especially noticeable if they have darker hair.
As there are many opinions on tipping, I'll respond here rather than on the Massage Parlors site, so hopefully reports there can continue to primarily focus on AMP experiences, including the good, bad and fugly, rather than be bogged down with tipping do's and don'ts.
I have been a hobbyist for more than three decades, and depending on the place, I often will withhold the tip until after the services have been rendered. That said, I am here (like most of us) to serve my own insatiable needs, and I have learned that tipping is not a one-size-fits all practice. TIP, as an acronym, likely came about in the 17th century in Britain taverns, and stood for To Insure Promptness, so that patrons in packed places could get there brews poured and delivered to them more quickly. And of course it evolved from there, varying greatly all over the globe. Let's use Japan as an example. It's not a tipping culture, which is fine. And in my times there, if I was hooking up with a girl for certain sensory delights, I was asked to pay the amount up front. No problem.
While putting myself through college as a waiter, I learned the value of providing stellar service, and while it was still the custom to receive a tip after the bill was rendered, there were more than a few people who would slip the matre D's tips to get a great table, and sooner. Just like in nightclubs. If I didn't know the doorman, I'd palm him a $20 (again, this was ages ago, so $20 was good), to not have to wait in line.
These days, if I'm having a sit-down meal, I'll often hand the busser $5 when she or he first brings water. It's amazing how such a minor gesture helps ensure a better dining experience. A lot of people complain about how you see a tip jar in virtually every type of establishment these days, saying that they are already getting paid, so why bother? I guess it just depends on you, your circumstances, and your frame of mine.
I have discretionary income, and I choose how to share it as I like. With parlors, independents, strip clubs, etc. , if I believe that providing advance monetary incentives may help me get a more satisfying experience, that's what I do. Even though on rare occasions I might get burnt, my batting average is pretty damn high.
Others have said that if some of us tip too much, or tip in advance, we are spoiling it for other mongers. While I can appreciate that some mongers are on tighter budgets, my goal in this hobby is to satisfy my own selfish needs, so that's how I play it.
To each his own.
Yep, I've seen some pretty young girls with traces of grey. My wife started getting them in her mid 20's. So it really isn't tied into age as much as people think. It's especially noticeable if they have darker hair.That white / gray hair is definitely more noticeable. Because of that and maybe because of heredity, I've seen college age Asian men with graying hair. Gray hair is not just a male trait. Dye jobs are an Asian female must! I love going to the Asian Garden Mall, in Westminster, and seeing these 70 something Vietnamese grannies with shocking black hair put up in a bun. They are accompanied by their white haired husbands and their graying sons.
That white / gray hair is definitely more noticeable. Because of that and maybe because of heredity, I've seen college age Asian men with graying hair. Gray hair is not just a male trait. Dye jobs are an Asian female must! I love going to the Asian Garden Mall, in Westminster, and seeing these 70 something Vietnamese grannies with shocking black hair put up in a bun. They are accompanied by their white haired husbands and their graying sons.My neighbor is Viet and she owns a jewelry stall upstairs and on the weekends sometimes I go hangout at her stall to just chill out and people watch occasionally.
And, especially look at the Viet Milfs with fake boobs jobs and there yellow fever sugar daddy husbands.
This culture is nothing less than bribing. Such practice disturb the market equilibrium.
In restaurants you call it tip.
In spa its donation.
In school its management fee.
In job its kick-back.
In govt its corruption.
To each his own can't BUY anything without money because they never earn reputation.
As there are many opinions on tipping, I'll respond here rather than on the Massage Parlors site, so hopefully reports there can continue to primarily focus on AMP experiences, including the good, bad and fugly, rather than be bogged down with tipping do's and don'ts.
I have been a hobbyist for more than three decades, and depending on the place, I often will withhold the tip until after the services have been rendered. That said, I am here (like most of us) to serve my own insatiable needs, and I have learned that tipping is not a one-size-fits all practice. TIP, as an acronym, likely came about in the 17th century in Britain taverns, and stood for To Insure Promptness, so that patrons in packed places could get there brews poured and delivered to them more quickly. And of course it evolved from there, varying greatly all over the globe. Let's use Japan as an example. It's not a tipping culture, which is fine. And in my times there, if I was hooking up with a girl for certain sensory delights, I was asked to pay the amount up front. No problem.
While putting myself through college as a waiter, I learned the value of providing stellar service, and while it was still the custom to receive a tip after the bill was rendered, there were more than a few people who would slip the matre D's tips to get a great table, and sooner. Just like in nightclubs. If I didn't know the doorman, I'd palm him a $20 (again, this was ages ago, so $20 was good), to not have to wait in line.
These days, if I'm having a sit-down meal, I'll often hand the busser $5 when she or he first brings water. It's amazing how such a minor gesture helps ensure a better dining experience. A lot of people complain about how you see a tip jar in virtually every type of establishment these days, saying that they are already getting paid, so why bother? I guess it just depends on you, your circumstances, and your frame of mine.
I have discretionary income, and I choose how to share it as I like. With parlors, independents, strip clubs, etc. , if I believe that providing advance monetary incentives may help me get a more satisfying experience, that's what I do. Even though on rare occasions I might get burnt, my batting average is pretty damn high.
Others have said that if some of us tip too much, or tip in advance, we are spoiling it for other mongers. While I can appreciate that some mongers are on tighter budgets, my goal in this hobby is to satisfy my own selfish needs, so that's how I play it.
To each his own.
DanCramerOc
05-10-23, 18:32
What I find really weird is when some monger can't think up something to say, trolls this site, then uses your words on another. Check out what this guy says.
https://www.rubmaps.ch/erotic-massage-royalty-spa-santa-ana-ca-140404#review-1935834.
Of course based on my post here.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3450-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=6439321#post6439321.
Just a rant.
My neighbor is Viet and she owns a jewelry stall upstairs and on the weekends sometimes I go hangout at her stall to just chill out and people watch occasionally.
And, especially look at the Viet Milfs with fake boobs jobs and there yellow fever sugar daddy husbands.Haha! I've seen those women. I would stop by the food court for a break from work when I was in the area during the week. I would go upstairs to check out those Vietnamese MILFs in the jewelry shops on both sides of the counter. The shopping MILFs were by themselves. Perhaps the shopping MILFs were checking out merchandise and cutting pre-deals on what they will get hobbies to buy. Fake boobs, butts, lips and eyes all paid for by their husbands / boyfriends.
I've even spotted Chinese massage providers shopping with monger boyfriends in the mall. They were dressed more modestly than those Vietnamese MILFs, though.
Finally got this site back on my phone. Almost impossible to get this site to open on my phone. No problem on my computer.
Lift Her Up
05-20-23, 00:44
I'm responding to recent comments on the Massage Parlor thread because I think the discussion is better suited to this one, since it doesn't deal directly with helping us find women for sex.
First of all, I'm thanking Grimmy for his posts number 32844 and 32852. We are very fortunate to have such a knowledgeable and thoughtful guy helping us out, what breadth and depth of experience he has. I've never had any reason myself to doubt anything he's written, or felt like poking fun at him. Enough said.
Then, with regard to the history of some of the cities mentioned, this is what I've had in the 70's and 80's. In Huntington Beach in 1979 I got HJ's at an MP called Kawai. Also there was a place farther up Beach called Romans that advertised heavily in the Los Angeles Free Press, which at the time was the go-to place for MP ads. Next to that BTW we had the telephone book's yellow pages. In Irvine near the airport I think on Birch in the 80's there was a place where I got vigorous CFS. I remember the girl twisting below me, feigning to be struggling. They were odd sessions because PPS would first take my keys. I remember the room seemed to have all artifical walls, and there was a little mirror on one of them. I sort of wondered whether it was a one-way mirror, oh brother. And then in Costa Mesa at Fullerton and Cabrillo there was this little yellow house with the sign out front, Abraxis. At the time I didn't know enough Freudian psych to get it. Anyway I remember her trying to make me shoot my load up onto my face. What a joy. Also I remember that was the first time I felt a "done" boob. Really hard and unnatural. I felt sort of bad that she'd gone through surgery to please men and that this was the result. Over on Park at 18th there was A-Park Massage. That was the first time I was asked for. 25 for a HJ, which usually ran. 15. Again, about 1978. And there was a place way up on Newport that was good too.
Lift Her Up.
Lift Her Up
05-20-23, 00:59
The place on Birch was just over the line in NB. Sorry.
Abraxis, wow that brings back memories. Several fun places on Birch back then.
Thanks for nudge to the old grey cells!
Punter1.
DarkRoomDaddy
05-21-23, 00:01
I'm responding to recent comments on the Massage Parlor thread because I think the discussion is better suited to this one, since it doesn't deal directly with helping us find women for sex.
First of all, I'm thanking Grimmy for his posts number 32844 and 32852. We are very fortunate to have such a knowledgeable and thoughtful guy helping us out, what breadth and depth of experience he has. I've never had any reason myself to doubt anything he's written, or felt like poking fun at him. Enough said.
Then, with regard to the history of some of the cities mentioned, this is what I've had in the 70's and 80's. In Huntington Beach in 1979 I got HJ's at an MP called Kawai. Also there was a place farther up Beach called Romans that advertised heavily in the Los Angeles Free Press, which at the time was the go-to place for MP ads. Next to that BTW we had the telephone book's yellow pages. In Irvine near the airport I think on Birch in the 80's there was a place where I got vigorous CFS. I remember the girl twisting below me, feigning to be struggling. They were odd sessions because PPS would first take my keys. I remember the room seemed to have all artifical walls, and there was a little mirror on one of them. I sort of wondered whether it was a one-way mirror, oh brother. And then in Costa Mesa at Fullerton and Cabrillo there was this little yellow house with the sign out front, Abraxis. At the time I didn't know enough Freudian psych to get it. Anyway I remember her trying to make me shoot my load up onto my face. What a joy. Also I remember that was the first time I felt a "done" boob. Really hard and unnatural. I felt sort of bad that she'd gone through surgery to please men and that this was the result. Over on Park at 18th there was A-Park Massage. That was the first time I was asked for. 25 for a HJ, which usually ran. 15. Again, about 1978. And there was a place way up on Newport that was good too.
Lift Her Up.More like 2006, there used to be a massage shop on east side of Beach, between Ellis and Talbert. Near that used Sports shop. It was kinda legit but I got quite a few handies in there. There was a Korean place on the west side of Beach Talbert and Beach (near the Coffee Bean) where you got a nice private room and handy. But that place got closed down. There was another little place with Koreans on Beach and Constantine near IHOP with older Korean ladies but good service. That to went down. They all went down. So I would go down Beach to Stanton north of the 22 -a bunch of places with Vietnamese over there. Really cheap. Maybe $20 or $25 house.
Haha! I've seen those women. I would stop by the food court for a break from work when I was in the area during the week. I would go upstairs to check out those Vietnamese MILFs in the jewelry shops on both sides of the counter. The shopping MILFs were by themselves. Perhaps the shopping MILFs were checking out merchandise and cutting pre-deals on what they will get hobbies to buy. Fake boobs, butts, lips and eyes all paid for by their husbands / boyfriends.
I've even spotted Chinese massage providers shopping with monger boyfriends in the mall. They were dressed more modestly than those Vietnamese MILFs, though.Just got back from visiting my neighbors stall and the hot viet milfs are out and even the young ones looking for there Gold. I guess it summer now and they want there new bling bling.
To show off in Vegas clubs and pool parties. LOL.
RBFSyndrome
06-11-23, 17:47
Is it just me or are these nightfunpages all just fake leads? They all end up as mps that are known to be written by trolls.
Disclaimer: frequent BW, been to Air a few times and a few others so I'm not necessarily a noob.
Went here based off of your review. Probably one of the better massages I've ever had, and that's counting the legit places. Got Summer, who wasn't bad looking. Only thing is she didn't finish me off. Maybe because I gave a wholesome appearance, they probably thought I was there for a legit massage. On my way out, an athletic lady was checking in so maybe they figured I was a mainstreamer. Also one little grip was she left a crack in the door so it was never closed the whole time. I'd love to go back for a proper massage and get properly finished off. Any tips on how to do this?Been to kims only once and I thought it was whatever. Just start roaming around her leg casually once massage starts. This signals the masseuse you are there for a reason. 99% of the time, they will finish you off. I've even had HE at a legit spot by simply just asking for it LOL but got to be adamant. Only been turned down once but this was at a spot in la where I was going in blind.
The worst they can do is just move away from your roaming if they arent down for that. Also, its ok to ask for things like water, close the door, etc. You are the client, not the reverse. Stand your ground and don't let them throw you around.
Sexaholic777
06-12-23, 02:30
Is it just me or are these nightfunpages all just fake leads? They all end up as mps that are known to be written by trolls.
Been to kims only once and I thought it was whatever. Just start roaming around her leg casually once massage starts. This signals the masseuse you are there for a reason. 99% of the time, they will finish you off. I've even had HE at a legit spot by simply just asking for it LOL but got to be adamant. Only been turned down once but this was at a spot in la where I was going in blind.
The worst they can do is just move away from your roaming if they arent down for that. Also, its ok to ask for things like water, close the door, etc. You are the client, not the reverse. Stand your ground and don't let them throw you around.Night fun pages has the same ads as bedpage. They are legit ads. This should be in the rant and stupid shit section. You are off topic.
Yes they are mps. I don't see what's the difference. MPs / houses. If your cock gets sucked. I don't see an issue LOL.
RBFSyndrome
06-13-23, 22:15
Night fun pages has the same ads as bedpage. They are legit ads. This should be in the rant and stupid shit section. You are off topic.
Yes they are mps. I don't see what's the difference. MPs / houses. If your cock gets sucked. I don't see an issue LOL.I think you are that troll that's posting shit mps for a promotion via bedfun / nightpages because you are unwilling to write out the names of the MPs bc we already know the ones trolls promote. Real tragic we got to deal with trolls like you.
DarkRoomDaddy
06-14-23, 00:29
I think you are that troll that's posting shit mps for a promotion via bedfun / nightpages because you are unwilling to write out the names of the MPs bc we already know the ones trolls promote. Real tragic we got to deal with trolls like you.GMTA (great minds.).
I remember the Getaway on Birch along with a couple of other FS MP with caucasian providers like Sherry and Christine who were once business partners until that went south, I used to see Sherry regularly and then off premises when she semi retired and unfortunately lost contact with her when she retired to Arizona, but she introduced me to the MP scene and I would save my tips I made bartending to go see her as she moved to different locations around JWA all owned by the same people. She was a friend and I tried to track her down but to no avail. She was my ATF.
DarkRoomDaddy
06-16-23, 01:56
Night fun pages has the same ads as bedpage. They are legit ads. This should be in the rant and stupid shit section. You are off topic.
Yes they are mps. I don't see what's the difference. MPs / houses. If your cock gets sucked. I don't see an issue LOL.A massage parlor is a shop in a retail location where you get a massage and maybe something extra. Your private apartment rendevous are no massage parlors. I am guessing they are essential private escorts or full on bordellos. And there seems to be a greater risk in a number of ways. Its like if there is a list dedicated to restaurants, and you guys keep posting about some home made tamales sold from the back of a pickup truck. Yeah they are both food but a pickup truck is not a restaurant. Now that you understand the different perhaps you and Al Capone can post in the appropriate forum. I suspect you guys are just advertising for those private places on the MP list to pull some business over there. A telltale sign is that you two attack anyone who questions WTF goes on with these dubious webpages which do not belong in the MP section. Why don't you just pay to advertise legitimately rather than this cheapo form of advertising.
I remember the Getaway on Birch along with a couple of other FS MP with caucasian providers like Sherry and Christine who were once business partners until that went south, I used to see Sherry regularly and then off premises when she semi retired and unfortunately lost contact with her when she retired to Arizona, but she introduced me to the MP scene and I would save my tips I made bartending to go see her as she moved to different locations around JWA all owned by the same people. She was a friend and I tried to track her down but to no avail. She was my ATF.I was a regular at all the AMPs on Birch, Campus, Quail St.
Man those we're the days banging white MILFs. Latina MILFs and of course Korean girls before they went viral!
Lift Her Up
07-02-23, 17:07
I'm responding to DarkRoomDaddy's post 33232 on the Massage thread, and LngTimeMongr's 33226. The few times I've asked at the Chinese houses and apartments in the SGV they've said they're going to a place quite a ways east, like Chicago or someplace in Texas. A couple of times they said they didn't know, and it sounded like they really didn't, but who knows. And usually they say they've been in the USA Just a few weeks or months. I have the impression there's a team of PPSs and MMSs that moves them around. But I've yet to run into one of them who seemed miserable in this line of work. Some are really into it, others just doing a job to earn money. And there's the occasional gem who's really really into it, ahhh.
Lift Her Up.
DarkRoomDaddy
07-03-23, 09:55
I'm responding to DarkRoomDaddy's post 33232 on the Massage thread, and LngTimeMongr's 33226. The few times I've asked at the Chinese houses and apartments in the SGV they've said they're going to a place quite a ways east, like Chicago or someplace in Texas. A couple of times they said they didn't know, and it sounded like they really didn't, but who knows. And usually they say they've been in the USA Just a few weeks or months. I have the impression there's a team of PPSs and MMSs that moves them around. But I've yet to run into one of them who seemed miserable in this line of work. Some are really into it, others just doing a job to earn money. And there's the occasional gem who's really really into it, ahhh.
Lift Her Up.It seems when the girls go to a new shop they have to deal with new rules of the road. So this suggests its not the same organization. Very few girls seem to invite me to come see them at their new shop which seems strange. If they were cutting hair or doing nails, you would think they would welcome an old customer in their new place. Its possible the new shop is legit, or maybe more wild so they have to manage expectations. And as you said, its possible they made a huge move out of state.
Its pretty amazing that these girls can just leave a job and find a new one hundreds of miles away. Given that they usually don't have a car, don't have a driver's license, don't speak English, often do not have proper immigration status. So they can't just find a new apartment and call the electric company. They are totally reliant on MMS / PPS for housing and essentials.
You been here befo?
Who do for you last time?
50+ worn-out granny: How long you want? (ad showed 20 something babe).
One ouwa sik-tee.
Lili go vacation. Coco do for you. She berry good.
You want massage there?
You want everything?
Relax baby, I bring condom (leaves the door wide open as she walks out).
You hansum man.
You come honey?
Ad: Grand Opening (It's been there for decades).
Her: Straightening out the bed sheet. The one you just exploded on. No wonder I felt a wet spot earlier.
You: Who's working today? Papasan: (Looking at his chart) Who?
Ad: BBFS She: Sorry I'm on period. You: Umm. . . Backdoor??
Ad: Location: 5 different cities, none of which is the actual city (yeah, that's really going to fool the LE).
Ay-yai-yai.
Ad: Grand Opening (It's been there for decades).
Nearly every other add.
Those types of adverts I normally skip over.
DarkRoomDaddy
07-06-23, 23:54
You been here befo?
Who do for you last time?
50+ worn-out granny: How long you want? (ad showed 20 something babe).
One ouwa sik-tee.
Lili go vacation. Coco do for you. She berry good.
You want massage there?
You want everything?
Relax baby, I bring condom (leaves the door wide open as she walks out).Me: Is Wendy working?
Lady: Yes she is available now. $45 pay me now. Wait in this room.
(20 minutes go by).
Me: if no one is going to come can you give my money back?
Lady: she come now. No problem.
(another 10 minutes of waiting. Then a chubby unattractive substitute girl comes in).
Me: what happened to Wendy?
Lady: she have other customer. I give you good massage. #1.
Lady: "You good body. You exercise a lot?
Me: "no not really. More of a couch potato. But thanks for the flattery".
Lady: "Oh you like Chinese lady?
Me: Naw not really. Any human between 18 and 40 with a vagina will pretty much do.
Lady: mmm oh baby, yes, yes, oh yeah".
Me: are you truly on the verge of an orgasm yourself just by stroking my johnson with some baby oil? I am starting to suspect this is something of an Oscar award winning performance.
Lady: You want water?
Me: I thought I paid for 1 hour, and exactly 32 minutes have gone by.
Lady: Oh I have another customer now. I make it up to you next time.
Me: How about making it up to me now by giving me a full hour?
I'm responding to DarkRoomDaddy's post 33232 on the Massage thread, and LngTimeMongr's 33226. The few times I've asked at the Chinese houses and apartments in the SGV they've said they're going to a place quite a ways east, like Chicago or someplace in Texas. A couple of times they said they didn't know, and it sounded like they really didn't, but who knows. And usually they say they've been in the USA Just a few weeks or months. I have the impression there's a team of PPSs and MMSs that moves them around. But I've yet to run into one of them who seemed miserable in this line of work. Some are really into it, others just doing a job to earn money. And there's the occasional gem who's really really into it, ahhh.
Lift Her Up.There is in fact an organized trafficking network that shuttles girls around from state to state. This doesn't apply to the vast majority of the shops and girls that are reviewed in this forum. In fact I'm not aware of any in the OC that fall into that category. There are some north of us that likely do. Almost all of us are reporting on girls that we've been seeing for years. They certainly aren't in this category, and most of them are doing this kind of work by choice. A lot of them aren't necessarily doing it because they like it, but they like the money, and they don't have any marketable skills that would pay them anywhere near that much. But there most definitely are a large number of girls who are trafficked, predominantly Asian and Latina. The different locations they're moved around to aren't necessarily related. Think of the trafficking network as a temporary job service that the MPs utilize. I won't get into more details as it's not really necessary here. Bottom line for me, and this is entirely my choice, I stay away from places that get entirely new lineups of girls every couple of weeks. That's normally a telltale sign of trafficking, and while I'm not against paying to play once in a while, I won't patronize a shop if I have even the slightest suspicion that trafficking may be happening. If a girl is fine with tugging dicks for a living, that's her choice and I'm not judgmental. But if she's being forced to jerk random guys off beyond her will, that's an entirely different matter.
Lift Her Up
07-09-23, 14:41
There is in fact an organized trafficking network that shuttles girls around from state to state. This doesn't apply to the vast majority of the shops and girls that are reviewed in this forum. In fact I'm not aware of any in the OC that fall into that category. There are some north of us that likely do , , .Grimmy is one of my most respected contributors to USASG. So it is with tender steps that I take a slightly different view. Until falling in with Cindy in the OC a year ago, I did most of my FS in the SGV, from 2008 on, and the majority was with services that swapped out the staff every ten days to two weeks. With the exception of Lucy at Fish and Chips and a few others I really hadn't had a whole lot of luck or really good experiences down here. In the SGV places, usually houses or condos or nice apartments and not free-standing businesses, when I would ask the girls how long they were going to be here it was generally not more than a few days, and sometimes they'd know what distant city they were headed for and sometimes not. I would ask if they were happy here and they would seem to be, only one said no, she missed China. I might add that in most cases they said they were from Guangzhou. I never had the feeling that any of these workers had been tricked or strong-armed into servicing me. I say this, knowing that most of our population thinks the girls have been tricked, passports seized, essentially been held prisoners as sex slaves.
Now if I'm mistaken then I've been making a horrible mistake and spending my money to support cruel repression, and I so regret it. But I don't think so. But I'm open to evidence.
My main problem with the houses is that when I get someone who is really specially good to me, it's no use 'cause she's gone in a few days.
Let me also bring up the various meanings of trafficking. My unabridged dictionary says that it can refer to dealing in anything, like tomatoes, or it can imply dealing in something illegal. The legal definition in the US, I think, is transporting a woman across state lines for something illegal, though most people who say "human trafficking" just mean forced sex work or slave labor without the "transport" concept necessarily. So I suggest we all be clear, as we usually are, what the intended meaning of trafficking is when we write it.
And while I'm on the subject of definitions, let me say that traditionally, a monger is someone who sells something. A fishmonger is the guy who sells fish. A *monger is a pimp, at least in its original meaning. We've switched the meaning to refer to us clients of these professionals. OK, enough ranting from me.
Lift Her Up.
Grimmy is one of my most respected contributors to USASG. So it is with tender steps that I take a slightly different view. Until falling in with Cindy in the OC a year ago, I did most of my FS in the SGV, from 2008 on, and the majority was with services that swapped out the staff every ten days to two weeks. With the exception of Lucy at Fish and Chips and a few others I really hadn't had a whole lot of luck or really good experiences down here. In the SGV places, usually houses or condos or nice apartments and not free-standing businesses, when I would ask the girls how long they were going to be here it was generally not more than a few days, and sometimes they'd know what distant city they were headed for and sometimes not. I would ask if they were happy here and they would seem to be, only one said no, she missed China. I might add that in most cases they said they were from Guangzhou. I never had the feeling that any of these workers had been tricked or strong-armed into servicing me. I say this, knowing that most of our population thinks the girls have been tricked, passports seized, essentially been held prisoners as sex slaves.
Now if I'm mistaken then I've been making a horrible mistake and spending my money to support cruel repression, and I so regret it. But I don't think so. But I'm open to evidence.
My main problem with the houses is that when I get someone who is really specially good to me, it's no use 'cause she's gone in a few days.
Let me also bring up the various meanings of trafficking. My unabridged dictionary says that it can refer to dealing in anything, like tomatoes, or it can imply dealing in something illegal. The legal definition in the US, I think, is transporting a woman across state lines for something illegal, though most people who say "human trafficking" just mean forced sex work or slave labor without the "transport" concept necessarily. So I suggest we all be clear, as we usually are, what the intended meaning of trafficking is when we write it.
And while I'm on the subject of definitions, let me say that traditionally, a monger is someone who sells something. A fishmonger is the guy who sells fish. A *monger is a pimp, at least in its original meaning. We've switched the meaning to refer to us clients of these professionals. OK, enough ranting from me.
Lift Her Up.LHU, thank you for the kind words. I have a high level of respect for you as well as one of the long time posters here. Allow me to add some context to the discussion. Yes, trafficking is absolutely real. As part of my "civil responsibility" as an owner of a legit massage business I work with an organization that provides support to trafficking victims. It's fairly safe to say that if you're visiting an AMP around here the girls are not trafficked. They're there by their own will in the vast majority of the cases. There are of course some exceptions. For LMPs the chances of trafficking are a bit higher. For private escorts working out of residences, the numbers go up a bit for both Asian and Latina. The numbers jump significantly for street prostitutes.
Some rough stats. There's an estimated 16,000 trafficking situations in the US per year. A "situation" can have multiple victims. Out of those situations, only 10% of them are for sex trafficking. The bulk are forced labor in restaurants, cleaning, and so on. So per year there's roughly 1600 known sex trafficking incidents in the US. Most of those involve several victims, so that equates to around 5000 - 6000 known victims per year who are forced into the trade. Out of those, about 30% are minors (very sad) - they're dealt on the streets or in private apartments. That leaves about 4000 adults. Out of those, the biggest demographic by far is Latina. Only 27% of them are Asian, and the biggest Asian demographics are Korean and Vietnamese. Chinese fall pretty low on the spectrum. There are some other demographics mixed in there. African and a small percentage of white. So overall, if you're visiting a Chinese shop, your chances of seeing girls who are trafficked are pretty small. If you're visiting a Latina shop they're quite a bit higher. I personally choose to avoid places that have entire new staffs frequently, or places that show any signs of the girls living in the shop. Those are two of the biggest telltale signs. That's just me though. It doesn't always mean trafficking, but they're a couple of the biggest indicators.
Another thing about trafficking is a lot of the victims are so well conditioned that they don't even realize they're being trafficked. That's a lot more common than people realize. I won't get too far into that though because it's an entirely different issue that gets to be a very complicated discussion. Some can make valid arguments that girls can be doing this voluntarily, and they're here legally, but they speak little English and have no other means of making enough money to support themselves. That in itself can be a form of trafficking, and not in the more conventional form of them having their passports taken away and forced to perform sexual services. As I said though, that's quite complicated and isn't included in the numbers I gave.
So bottom line, there's not a lot to worry about here, but there have been known cases of trafficking in MPs. Chances are if you're visiting places that are reviewed here you're not encountering them. The stats are in your favor. But recognize that there are some out there, and I choose to avoid ones that show potential signs of it.
LHU, thank you for the kind words. I have a high level of respect for you as well as one of the long time posters here. It's fairly safe to say that if you're visiting an AMP around here the girls are not trafficked. They're there by their own will in the vast majority of the cases. There are of course some exceptions. For LMPs the chances of trafficking are a bit higher. For private escorts working out of residences, the numbers go up a bit for both Asian and Latina. The numbers jump significantly for street prostitutes.JK, of course, you guys are solid contributors and mongers (okay, noted about the monger misnomer, so for a minute we'll can call ourselves partakers). Agreed, that true human trafficking of any kind is a very bad thing, but I am also doubtful that I've ever been with a provider who was in a trafficked situation whereby she was abused or hurt.
Maybe I'm in denial, but it just doesn't seem to be the case, especially when one's provider is laughing, playful, orgasmic, and more. Or maybe I'm just lucky.
Yes, while it's true that in places like Hypno and a few other spots, the girls get rotated; they also get rotated back to Hypno after a few weeks, and they still have huge smiles on their faces and good attitudes when providing there again. I've been around the block, and I don't think it's all a big act. Especially since they joke and laugh with one another in Mandarin, Vietnamese or whatever their homeland language is at the places to which I frequent.
That said, should I happen upon spots in the future where the girls are morose and not seeming to enjoy the give-and-take, I'll think twice about re-frequenting those places. But for me, so far, so good.
JK, of course, you guys are solid contributors and mongers (okay, noted about the monger misnomer, so for a minute we'll can call ourselves partakers). Agreed, that true human trafficking of any kind is a very bad thing, but I am also doubtful that I've ever been with a provider who was in a trafficked situation whereby she was abused or hurt.
Maybe I'm in denial, but it just doesn't seem to be the case, especially when one's provider is laughing, playful, orgasmic, and more. Or maybe I'm just lucky.
Yes, while it's true that in places like Hypno and a few other spots, the girls get rotated; they also get rotated back to Hypno after a few weeks, and they still have huge smiles on their faces and good attitudes when providing there again. I've been around the block, and I don't think it's all a big act. Especially since they joke and laugh with one another in Mandarin, Vietnamese or whatever their homeland language is at the places to which I frequent.
That said, should I happen upon spots in the future where the girls are morose and not seeming to enjoy the give-and-take, I'll think twice about re-frequenting those places. But for me, so far, so good.It's all good, Sticker. In the OC you're statistically more likely to run into trafficking in a restaurant or hotel than you are in an MP. There are some documented cases where it has happened in the past few years, but for the most part if you’re patronizing AMPs you're safe. If you're visiting private apartment girls or street girls the chances are much higher. Also Latina MPs. That’s not to say all of them are problematic, but you’re far more likely to run into trafficked Latinas than Asians.
What's more difficult to deal with is what I'd call quid pro quo trafficking. That's a huge grey area even for me. I won't mention any shop names, but there's a few in the area that operate like this, and even I visit them. I keep going back but I struggle with the ethics of it. Say a shop offers their girls room and board for a reasonable fee, but they have to keep working there to get that. For example, say they get a house to live in and all the food they need for $500/ month. It's not great living conditions but it’s a roof over their head and a place to sleep. There's 10 - 12 other girls plus the MMS and PPS sharing the 4 bedroom house so it's a bit crowded and there's no privacy. The food is edible but not the greatest. They're driven to and from work in a van so they don't need a car. The girls are free to leave anytime they want, but if they quit they have to move out of the house. Now you have a girl who wants to quit, but she'd have to find a place to live and something to do for a living. She’s 5000 miles from home, speaks little English and has no marketable skills that would pay her anywhere hear what she gets from doing sex work. So it boils down to being "happy" with jerking a dozen random cocks all day long and making good money, or trying to do something else and struggling. Given a choice, I don't think many of them really want to jerk cocks, but they become dependent on the money and don't see any other real options. That's another form of trafficking, but not in the form that most people think of trafficking where the girls are essentially imprisoned.
Bottom line is I just use my gut, and if my gut tells me that something is off I won’t go there.
Lift Her Up
07-12-23, 17:42
. . . As part of my "civil responsibility" as an owner of a legit massage business I work with an organization that provides support to trafficking victims. . . .Grimmy, glad you're supporting a helping organization. I myself donate to a couple of orgs that helps get trapped girls, often underage, out of the business in southeast Asia and India. If you'll PM me a name, I'll include the one you support on my annual giving list.
Lift Her Up.
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