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MickRichards
01-02-21, 22:55
Ya I got warned because a member was asking for safe options in the same area as me. I gave him a few but it was a "reply" on a post. I got a warning and a yellow mark of some sort. I argued with Sol. The guy does not know the difference between promotion and lending a helping hand. Reviews? That is a fucking promotion of ladies. Simply helping a dude who was new to the area and getting a ding on my prolfile pissed me off. I laid into Sol about how strict they seem to be with hobbyists and soft on the providers, I asked if they pop providers that have rob alerts, or threat alerts. No response. I sent another "I guess that was a touchy question" I was very surprised they did not just ban me but all my green dots are from providers and my best bet is Sol seen my profile, all of the references and who has given me points. I am honest and tna is no longer a strong research site. I search numbers and look for other reviews. TNA is now a provider run site. It was not that bad when J was watching over it but damn now I just get a kick out of the idiots like Calcifer, Molly Lane and the others who just create drama. I also asked him about providers ganging up and pushing red points on hobbyists strictly for asking a question in the discussions section! No response. Apparently they are ok with bullying as long as providers are the ones doing it. Sol is a pointless head with an air hole. The other two I had heard were providers or retired providers.H.
I noticed the former Portland mod / bf / pimp has retired his handle.
MickRichards
01-02-21, 22:57
I respect Sara. She's an advocate for the women but she does call out their bullshit as well. She's a straight shooter in my opinion. I don't always agree with her but it's usually over the philosophy of BBFS, but I get her position. I think it would be better if people would be open about BBFS. It's nor rapey to openly ask. The sneaky guys breaking condoms is rapey. A guy asking if the lady will play bare is honest and not looking to do anything wrong.She is a crazy 50 something whackjob.
MickRichards
01-02-21, 22:59
Ya I got warned because a member was asking for safe options in the same area as me. I gave him a few but it was a "reply" on a post. I got a warning and a yellow mark of some sort. I argued with Sol. The guy does not know the difference between promotion and lending a helping hand. Reviews? That is a fucking promotion of ladies. Simply helping a dude who was new to the area and getting a ding on my prolfile pissed me off. I laid into Sol about how strict they seem to be with hobbyists and soft on the providers, I asked if they pop providers that have rob alerts, or threat alerts. No response. I sent another "I guess that was a touchy question" I was very surprised they did not just ban me but all my green dots are from providers and my best bet is Sol seen my profile, all of the references and who has given me points. I am honest and tna is no longer a strong research site. I search numbers and look for other reviews. TNA is now a provider run site. It was not that bad when J was watching over it but damn now I just get a kick out of the idiots like Calcifer, Molly Lane and the others who just create drama. I also asked him about providers ganging up and pushing red points on hobbyists strictly for asking a question in the discussions section! No response. Apparently they are ok with bullying as long as providers are the ones doing it. Sol is a pointless head with an air hole. The other two I had heard were providers or retired providers.I liked it better when the top end goes providers just knew to offer BBFS for the guys with money.
SeriousPepper
01-08-21, 00:58
Hey long time lurker here.
I was just thinking to myself, why on earth has someone NOT put together a actual list of top quality providers? With the shitty providers flooding the ad sites, its get.
1# Give good service (worth the money).
2# are drug free.
3# are really independent.
4# have good working policies (no up charging, won't be a *** if you reschedule, provide better service / BBFS for regulars).
Hey long time lurker here.
I was just thinking to myself, why on earth has someone NOT put together a actual list of top quality providers? With the shitty providers flooding the ad sites, its get.
1# Give good service (worth the money).
2# are drug free.
3# are really independent.
4# have good working policies (no up charging, won't be a *** if you reschedule, provide better service / BBFS for regulars).1- highly subjective (cost vs benefit is not standard, and providers often have unique rates for sites / clients / etc.).
2- also subjective (some consider weed a 'drug'. Maybe she was loopy one session from prescription meds for whatever reason that weren't pain pills).
3- you'd never really know (many of the 'independent' providers have a 'concerned boyfriend' who 'looks out for them'.
4- unreliable request (providers run a business, but never act like business owners. One day they'll go nuts about a cancellation, whereas a week before it was no big deal).
Your spirit is in the right place, but things are far too subjective to actually have such a thing. Even if one of us put the list together, a chorus would come through with the 'not in my experience' responses, and we'd be back at square one. And this doesn't even get into providers claiming things like BBFS never go down, so if you said 'well so-and-so on whatever-board said' you'd get shut down quickly, and may ruin that dude's regular.
MickRichards
01-25-21, 17:51
Hey long time lurker here.
I was just thinking to myself, why on earth has someone NOT put together a actual list of top quality providers? With the shitty providers flooding the ad sites, its get.
1# Give good service (worth the money).
2# are drug free.
3# are really independent.
4# have good working policies (no up charging, won't be a *** if you reschedule, provide better service / BBFS for regulars).It doesn't exist. Even my old atf that retired and is now utr had a manager up until she retired.
They all have baggage.
KingOfFours
01-26-21, 11:44
Hey long time lurker here.
I was just thinking to myself, why on earth has someone NOT put together a actual list of top quality providers? With the shitty providers flooding the ad sites, its get.
1# Give good service (worth the money).
2# are drug free.
3# are really independent.
4# have good working policies (no up charging, won't be a *** if you reschedule, provide better service / BBFS for regulars).
It doesn't exist. Even my old atf that retired and is now utr had a manager up until she retired.
They all have baggage.I disagree. They are quite rare, but they do exist. This one meets all of SeriousPepper's criteria: Hard-drug-free (but loves her wine!) Drives herself, no upsells for any services, WAY overtime hours, shows up on time. Passionate GFE, BBFSCIP first visit, cums multi-orgasmically like a fuckin' frieght train. She is indeed vintage. She hasn't posted on TNA in a year, but I know for a fact that she is indeed around.
https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?82142-alwaysenchanting
Here's a couple pictures showing her shape (at least showing how she looked a few years ago) and her sperm-filled snatch. Revealing face pics can be sent ONLY by email, to those that ALREADY are in my existing email contacts. I will NEVER respond to an email address sent to me in PM.
I disagree. They are quite rare, but they do exist. This one meets all of SeriousPepper's criteria: Hard-drug-free (but loves her wine!) Drives herself, no upsells for any services, WAY overtime hours, shows up on time. Passionate GFE, BBFSCIP first visit, cums multi-orgasmically like a fuckin' frieght train. She is indeed vintage. She hasn't posted on TNA in a year, but I know for a fact that she is indeed around.
https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?82142-alwaysenchanting
Here's a couple pictures showing her shape (at least showing how she looked a few years ago) and her sperm-filled snatch. Revealing face pics can be sent ONLY by email, to those that ALREADY are in my existing email contacts. I will NEVER respond to an email address sent to me in PM.Mariella is close to all the above but I can't stand the smell.
Just spent a week down in FL. Saw nine ladies, 3 more than once. Was in Tampa, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale. Never paid more than 250/ hr or 180 for hh. Four were BBFS, but the covered ones did BBBJ, and 7 did cim. Better looking and much better attitudes than the dreck up here. No 500/ hr no GFE insanity. Girls totally into it, laid back, and fun. No clock watchers. Average price was 150 hh /200 hr with girls who would charge double that and more here. Portland is a shit hole, not only for the homeless and anarchist degenerates taking over, but for providers too. Oh, and I barely was required to wear a mask. We are being taken advantage of!
ORTailBlazer
03-04-21, 13:04
Just spent a week down in FL. Saw nine ladies, 3 more than once. Was in Tampa, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale. Never paid more than 250/ hr or 180 for hh. Four were BBFS, but the covered ones did BBBJ, and 7 did cim. Better looking and much better attitudes than the dreck up here. No 500/ hr no GFE insanity. Girls totally into it, laid back, and fun. No clock watchers. Average price was 150 hh /200 hr with girls who would charge double that and more here. Portland is a shit hole, not only for the homeless and anarchist degenerates taking over, but for providers too. Oh, and I barely was required to wear a mask. We are being taken advantage of!Ya it seems the west coast providers have that GPS. I have met a few great ladies here but as you said the rates here are insane, especially for some ladies that are just pure safety and barely want you to touch them. I looked at other rates in different states. OR, NV and CA seem the highest. Hell not even NY is as bad as here. Florida, Texas, Wisconsin and Tennessee I am eyeing in the next few years LOL. Oregon seems to be a done deal.
CreamPieSeeker
03-04-21, 16:03
What website did you use to find ladies?
I too am sick of the far left lunatics here. Thats on top of the land whales charging $400.
Just spent a week down in FL. Saw nine ladies, 3 more than once. Was in Tampa, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale. Never paid more than 250/ hr or 180 for hh. Four were BBFS, but the covered ones did BBBJ, and 7 did cim. Better looking and much better attitudes than the dreck up here. No 500/ hr no GFE insanity. Girls totally into it, laid back, and fun. No clock watchers. Average price was 150 hh /200 hr with girls who would charge double that and more here. Portland is a shit hole, not only for the homeless and anarchist degenerates taking over, but for providers too. Oh, and I barely was required to wear a mask. We are being taken advantage of!
Drex Diggler2
03-04-21, 17:11
Just spent a week down in FL. Saw nine ladies, 3 more than once. Was in Tampa, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale. Never paid more than 250/ hr or 180 for hh. Four were BBFS, but the covered ones did BBBJ, and 7 did cim. Better looking and much better attitudes than the dreck up here. No 500/ hr no GFE insanity. Girls totally into it, laid back, and fun. No clock watchers. Average price was 150 hh /200 hr with girls who would charge double that and more here. Portland is a shit hole, not only for the homeless and anarchist degenerates taking over, but for providers too. Oh, and I barely was required to wear a mask. We are being taken advantage of!I agree the ladies here want way to much, but you forget the cost of living in Florida in many areas is less than here. Probably not for long though.
Original703
03-04-21, 17:16
Hey long time lurker here.
I was just thinking to myself, why on earth has someone NOT put together a actual list of top quality providers? With the shitty providers flooding the ad sites, its get.
1# Give good service (worth the money).
2# are drug free.
3# are really independent.
4# have good working policies (no up charging, won't be a *** if you reschedule, provide better service / BBFS for regulars).I've been thinking along the same lines: review sites (or at least some of their content) seem unreliable. Disregarding YMMV situations--many of them--is there a decent piece of software to catalog our collective or individual thoughts and experiences with providers? For example, I'd like to find something relatively simple to keep track of providers, their cities, their rates, their services, their profile photos, contact details, etc..
Specifically, as I've scoured the profiles in SA, as well as other sites, I've considered using Excel or Access to create a central, unified database or spreadsheet that has the details that are important to me. But that might be way more trouble than it's worth. And, obviously, the damn thing would be incredibly incriminating if an SO found it--I don't hobby when I have an SO--but it would be oh-so useful, too. Imagine joining SA for a month, collecting a bunch of attractive member profiles, beginning conversations with them outside the SA environment, and discontinuing your SA membership when you'd accumulated enough to keep you busy for a while.
Suggestions?
P.S. I normally post on the Seattle board and I'm going to post the same request there.
I've been thinking along the same lines: review sites (or at least some of their content) seem unreliable. Disregarding YMMV situations--many of them--is there a decent piece of software to catalog our collective or individual thoughts and experiences with providers? For example, I'd like to find something relatively simple to keep track of providers, their cities, their rates, their services, their profile photos, contact details, etc..
Specifically, as I've scoured the profiles in SA, as well as other sites, I've considered using Excel or Access to create a central, unified database or spreadsheet that has the details that are important to me. But that might be way more trouble than it's worth. And, obviously, the damn thing would be incredibly incriminating if an SO found it--I don't hobby when I have an SO--but it would be oh-so useful, too. Imagine joining SA for a month, collecting a bunch of attractive member profiles, beginning conversations with them outside the SA environment, and discontinuing your SA membership when you'd accumulated enough to keep you busy for a while.
Suggestions?
P.S. I normally post on the Seattle board and I'm going to post the same request there.I could probably build this (I'm back end so the front end may not be pretty), but I think there are a couple considerations:
1. Hosting. Got to make sure the domain registrar, host, and cdn are no us based unless the site is squeaky clean.
2. How will the site make money to stay afloat since non US based is a bit more expense.
3. What sites to scrape for sources? I'll probably write an ml model to do unsupervised clustering (also supervised classification after some data is collected) to try and identify providers across sites. (It would be interesting to get the velocity of provider dimensions like number changes, location changes. Could predict their future movements and price variations locally and globally).
4. What mechanism of social weight to give to reports? Who will we trust about robs, bait-and-switch, etc. ? Probably it would be interesting for form a distribution of reviews by user name, and then you could choose users you specifically trust because their reviews are similar to yours, and then get a "total" distribution alongside your "followed-users" dimension.
5. Potentially could make a "contest" jackpot where users can contribute nominal money to, collectively getting it disbursed to a single contributing user to go do boots-on-the-ground investigation of new users. That is more long term, and it has to be a contest since lotteries are illegal.
Those are my top-of-the-mind thoughts. Not sure if any are worthwhile.
What website did you use to find ladies?
I too am sick of the far left lunatics here. Thats on top of the land whales charging $400.Actually, I used all the usual ones: LC, STG, adultsearch even. It's not necessarily the sites you use, but how the providers are upfront with what they offer and their attitude. I've gotten really good at recognizing legitimate posts and vetting providers because Portland is the most difficult place to do it.
WarpFactor69
03-05-21, 15:57
Actually, I used all the usual ones: LC, STG, adultsearch even. It's not necessarily the sites you use, but how the providers are upfront with what they offer and their attitude. I've gotten really good at recognizing legitimate posts and vetting providers because Portland is the most difficult place to do it.This site has excellent information in the Florida sections.
Question for this crowd, as I need a third party to help me out here.
I tried out a body rub tonight thinking it would be nice to get a massage that covered my entire body. Near the end of it the provider climbed on top and then, I think, may have completed the experience verbally. I say I think because my vision was obstructed, and I couldn't see my lower half.
I was under the impression that the experience would be driven solely through the art of hands, and now I'm concerned about the potential for health risks as no barrier methods were utilized.
The ending was quick so that hopefully helps reduce exposure, but I'm still concerned about the potential for skin-to-skin viral transfers.
Can anyone shed some words of wisdom? This was my first experience, and I'm completely rattled.
Thank you.
I have to admit this is some grade A shit stirring right here. You're afraid of getting covid yet you went for a rub and tug?
Flame on
A2
Original703
03-06-21, 12:23
Question for this crowd, as I need a third party to help me out here.
I tried out a body rub tonight thinking it would be nice to get a massage that covered my entire body. Near the end of it the provider climbed on top and then, I think, may have completed the experience verbally. I say I think because my vision was obstructed, and I couldn't see my lower half.
I was under the impression that the experience would be driven solely through the art of hands, and now I'm concerned about the potential for health risks as no barrier methods were utilized.
The ending was quick so that hopefully helps reduce exposure, but I'm still concerned about the potential for skin-to-skin viral transfers.
Can anyone shed some words of wisdom? This was my first experience, and I'm completely rattled.
Thank you.
I have to admit this is some grade A shit stirring right here. You're afraid of getting covid yet you went for a rub and tug?
Flame on
A2Dude, first of all, thanks for your response to my earlier post seeking help creating and / or cataloging a robust TDL (one superior to the limited functionality of TNA). What you suggested sounds amazing but also far more complicated than I imagined.
Secondly, I laughed when I read A2's comment! It' a fair point: one seeks a HE massage, receives said release, and expresses fear and alarm, after the fact, that safety protocols might have been breached. (I think most of us have been there at some point during our hobbying.) Based on what you wrote, you remained masked but the provider possibly removed her mask and engaged in translated or untranslated French? I think your anxiety revolves around the risk of an STI as opposed to the risk of coronavirus. Below are some online resources for you.
CDC's oral sex fact sheet: https://www.cdc.gov/std/healthcomm/stdfact-stdriskandoralsex.htm.
Free STI testing in PDX (very limited hours): https://prismhealth.org/services/hiv-sti-testing/.
Covid risk calculator: https://mycovidrisk.app/.
BTW, in my rare searches for Portland AMPs with extras, I've had zero success. Good on you for finding one that delivers. I'm going to return to the Seattle forum now where I belong. But you Portland guys are great.
DuhkGeorge
03-06-21, 13:14
I didn't read a concern about the corona virus. But, as someone already covered std sources, the risk would be lowish. Having a kn-95 (Chinese) or Korean 99 mask are your best available protections as it's an airborne virus. The weakness of the masks are air gaps around the mask. Also whether they're legit as counterfeits have been flooding the market for about a year now. The 'rona can live on surfaces but there aren't studies, that I'm aware of, showing a strong likelihood of transmission through the urethra. Definitely not through the skin itself. The fact she was facing away from you and it was quick would help some.
'Rona is more likely to be caught in the room due to lack of air circulation / filtering and weaker masks and air gaps. Also through eyes or nose if you don't wash your hands and then touch your face.
Hopefully all the bases were covered for. Congrats on the awesome experience and hope you're all good. If you want to feel at ease, get tested in a couple of weeks for the stds. People don't always show symptoms.
Question for this crowd, as I need a third party to help me out here.
I tried out a body rub tonight thinking it would be nice to get a massage that covered my entire body. Near the end of it the provider climbed on top and then, I think, may have completed the experience verbally. I say I think because my vision was obstructed, and I couldn't see my lower half.
I was under the impression that the experience would be driven solely through the art of hands, and now I'm concerned about the potential for health risks as no barrier methods were utilized.
The ending was quick so that hopefully helps reduce exposure, but I'm still concerned about the potential for skin-to-skin viral transfers.
Can anyone shed some words of wisdom? This was my first experience, and I'm completely rattled.
Thank you.
I have to admit this is some grade A shit stirring right here. You're afraid of getting covid yet you went for a rub and tug?
Flame on
A2
Thank you for the responses. I'm setting down a bit; I tend towards neuroticism in general and am less concerned with covid than I am with other orally transmitted diseases. But all I can do now is wait out the incubation period.
Happy hunting out there to you all. That was my first venture out, and I may have learned I don't have the risk tolerance for the hobby.
MuscleThick
03-07-21, 00:43
Question for this crowd, as I need a third party to help me out here.
I tried out a body rub tonight thinking it would be nice to get a massage that covered my entire body. Near the end of it the provider climbed on top and then, I think, may have completed the experience verbally. I say I think because my vision was obstructed, and I couldn't see my lower half.
I was under the impression that the experience would be driven solely through the art of hands, and now I'm concerned about the potential for health risks as no barrier methods were utilized.
The ending was quick so that hopefully helps reduce exposure, but I'm still concerned about the potential for skin-to-skin viral transfers.
Can anyone shed some words of wisdom? This was my first experience, and I'm completely rattled.
Thank you.
I have to admit this is some grade A shit stirring right here. You're afraid of getting covid yet you went for a rub and tug?
Flame on
A2Can't tell if it was pussy or mouth? Wow!
WarpFactor69
03-07-21, 00:47
Thank you for the responses. I'm setting down a bit; I tend towards neuroticism in general and am less concerned with covid than I am with other orally transmitted diseases. But all I can do now is wait out the incubation period.
Happy hunting out there to you all. That was my first venture out, and I may have learned I don't have the risk tolerance for the hobby.One important thing to understand is that covid is an airborne transmissioned disease. It's more about airborne particles, and where they land, followed by touching your face with said particles.
What the hell is the deal with these providers who won't give you menu or even rates before you see them? I'm definitely not going to see you if you don't tell me the services you provide, and how am I supposed to know what I'm supposed to pay you without rate info? I should bring 50 bucks with me and see what happens! I even had one who I had set an appointment with who, when I asked for her address, she told me it was on the ad. No, all it says is SE Portland. That's a pretty big area, dolt. When she wouldn't tell me, I just told her to forget about it, that her games were too much trouble. No wonder these girls are always complaining about not making money, they are the worst salespeople in the world.
Got a PM from a "regular member" with zero posts. Message read: "Hi" and then it said go to (link) for babes.
Member's handle was orlandozumen.
Got a PM from a "regular member" with zero posts. Message read: "Hi" and then it said go to (link) for babes.
Member's handle was orlandozumen.Spam and a site being hacked are very different. If you don't want to receive messages you can turn that off. You can also only choose to get messages from your "contacts".
Spam and a site being hacked are very different. If you don't want to receive messages you can turn that off. You can also only choose to get messages from your "contacts".Yes, I know how to control my inbox. While I was spammed by a bot of sorts, that may well be indicative of a site issue not recognizing bots becoming members.
Regardless thanks for your correction and advice on hitting buttons.
What the hell is the deal with these providers who won't give you menu or even rates before you see them? I'm definitely not going to see you if you don't tell me the services you provide, and how am I supposed to know what I'm supposed to pay you without rate info? I should bring 50 bucks with me and see what happens! I even had one who I had set an appointment with who, when I asked for her address, she told me it was on the ad. No, all it says is SE Portland. That's a pretty big area, dolt. When she wouldn't tell me, I just told her to forget about it, that her games were too much trouble. No wonder these girls are always complaining about not making money, they are the worst salespeople in the world.I think a lot of providers on TNA are gaslit into thinking LE is watching the board / them specifically, and any hobbyist could be LE.
There's a prevalent attitude about 'companionship' and not breaking one TNA rule which is "thou shalt not prostitute" - so they agree to hang out, sort of, but often nothing more.
PriceIsRight39
03-31-21, 12:54
Actually, I used all the usual ones: LC, STG, adultsearch even. It's not necessarily the sites you use, but how the providers are upfront with what they offer and their attitude. I've gotten really good at recognizing legitimate posts and vetting providers because Portland is the most difficult place to do it.Pretty good stings in FL so play it smart! Polk county hotels work with LE and likely other counties. Of course that happens everywhere. They call it all " trafficking ".
Be safe y'all.
Sugar Daddy PDX
04-05-21, 11:39
Ok fellas, short rant here. I've received about 10 private messages in the past couple weeks requesting further details on a topic. Of course, I'm happy to oblige you mongors to keep us all safe. After typing out a response, then hit send, only to get an error message that you have blocked all private messages in your settings.
Guys, if you reach out for info and want a response back, check your settings and make sure you can accept a private message.
Cheers, Alas.
Ok fellas, short rant here. I've received about 10 private messages in the past couple weeks requesting further details on a topic. Of course, I'm happy to oblige you mongors to keep us all safe. After typing out a response, then hit send, only to get an error message that you have blocked all private messages in your settings.
Guys, if you reach out for info and want a response back, check your settings and make sure you can accept a private message.
Cheers, Alas.That's strange. Because if you lock down your messages, there's usually a warning if you send a message to someone that can't reply because of those settings.
ORTailBlazer
04-15-21, 21:27
This is what makes you want to try dating sites LOL. Known provider, only offering out or car a bill qv. Cim a bill 5 more. Uhh what? Guess it saves me time and $$$ LOL.
Good luck everybody.
John Chemistry
04-16-21, 00:07
This is what makes you want to try dating sites LOL. Known provider, only offering out or car a bill qv. Cim a bill 5 more. Uhh what? Guess it saves me time and $$$ LOL.
Good luck everybody.Link? Who are you talking about?
ORTailBlazer
04-16-21, 12:30
Link? Who are you talking about?Lunalovesu. Well known here and elsewhere. Hit and miss provider. Pretty hot from the times I seen her but ya I nearly spit up my water. Cd should never be more than a bill with everything. She mentioned VIP was. 5 and an extra bill for cim. I tried twice with her. First time we had a light set up but she ghosted when I asked for the address when she had incall nearby. This time just priced herself high for a cd.
Oh well LOL.
Lunalovesu. Well known here and elsewhere. Hit and miss provider. Pretty hot from the times I seen her but ya I nearly spit up my water. Cd should never be more than a bill with everything. She mentioned VIP was. 5 and an extra bill for cim. I tried twice with her. First time we had a light set up but she ghosted when I asked for the address when she had incall nearby. This time just priced herself high for a cd.
Oh well LOL.A few highlights:
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?1924189-LunaLovesU-Robbed-Me&highlight=Lunalovesu
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?1618333-Left-her-incall-midway-thru&highlight=Lunalovesu
She seems. Fun. / s.
CreamPieSeeker
04-16-21, 22:30
I instantly skip any ad with "fellas". Pretty much 100% guarantee of ghetto experience.
A few highlights:
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?1924189-LunaLovesU-Robbed-Me&highlight=Lunalovesu
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?1618333-Left-her-incall-midway-thru&highlight=Lunalovesu
She seems. Fun. / s.
RamblinJavlin
04-17-21, 01:27
Pretty good stings in FL so play it smart! Polk county hotels work with LE and likely other counties. Of course that happens everywhere. They call it all " trafficking ".
Be safe y'all.That Polk County sheriff down there has made a name for himself. His press briefings have become legendary.
PriceIsRight39
04-18-21, 14:02
That Polk County sheriff down there has made a name for himself. His press briefings have become legendary.Yea, I watch for entertainment value. He should have gotten the Emmy not Cuomo. Ha ha.
PriceIsRight39
04-18-21, 14:04
What the hell is the deal with these providers who won't give you menu or even rates before you see them? I'm definitely not going to see you if you don't tell me the services you provide, and how am I supposed to know what I'm supposed to pay you without rate info? I should bring 50 bucks with me and see what happens! I even had one who I had set an appointment with who, when I asked for her address, she told me it was on the ad. No, all it says is SE Portland. That's a pretty big area, dolt. When she wouldn't tell me, I just told her to forget about it, that her games were too much trouble. No wonder these girls are always complaining about not making money, they are the worst salespeople in the world.If you can't sell pussy, man. Get a GED. LOL.
A few highlights:
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?1924189-LunaLovesU-Robbed-Me&highlight=Lunalovesu
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?1618333-Left-her-incall-midway-thru&highlight=Lunalovesu
She seems. Fun. / s.I used to see her on the regular 2 to 3 years ago. Some flaky behavior, but overall a pretty fun time. Then, she got more flaky and then did the whole rip off thing with the "I need the donation up front to book the room" ruse. I felt weird about it, but I had seen her around 10 times prior. I tried to get her to make it up, but always had an excuse, of course. She had started to look worse and pasty and pock-faced, so probably drugs. When I got ripped off, the last I saw her she was around some sketchy dude, who could have been running her. She's had several rob reports, but I think some of them got removed. I'm definitely in stay away mode.
I used to see her on the regular 2 to 3 years ago. Some flaky behavior, but overall a pretty fun time. Then, she got more flaky and then did the whole rip off thing with the "I need the donation up front to book the room" ruse. I felt weird about it, but I had seen her around 10 times prior. I tried to get her to make it up, but always had an excuse, of course. She had started to look worse and pasty and pock-faced, so probably drugs. When I got ripped off, the last I saw her she was around some sketchy dude, who could have been running her. She's had several rob reports, but I think some of them got removed. I'm definitely in stay away mode.I saw her once about 2 years ago. You guys remember that scary incall house in Clackamas or sunnyside? She was living in the garage converted into a bedroom with clothes and drug paraphernalia scattered everywhere and covered in tiny bruises. And I still creampied her like an idiot, got out, dumped some sanitizer on my junk, felt the burn, didn't catch anything, and never went back.
I saw her once about 2 years ago. You guys remember that scary incall house in Clackamas or sunnyside? She was living in the garage converted into a bedroom with clothes and drug paraphernalia scattered everywhere and covered in tiny bruises. And I still creampied her like an idiot, got out, dumped some sanitizer on my junk, felt the burn, didn't catch anything, and never went back.Man oh man. Lots of tiny bruises is the absolute worst possible scenario short of getting murdered. Glad you didn't pick up anything.
PriceIsRight39
04-22-21, 14:34
What's the deal with providers saying they won't preform any " unsafe " Covid services? You're laying in a bed inched form breathing orifices. Some are even requiring masks! Does anyone actually listen to the CDC? The face covering is not permission to get in someone's face! It's a last resort if you cannot maintain distance. Reviews stating BBBJ, but no LFK for Covid safety? LOL.
Christ, the cognitive dissonance is. Well, that's my rant!
Sugar Daddy PDX
04-23-21, 11:45
What's the deal with providers saying they won't preform any " unsafe " Covid services? You're laying in a bed inched form breathing orifices. Some are even requiring masks! Does anyone actually listen to the CDC? The face covering is not permission to get in someone's face! It's a last resort if you cannot maintain distance. Reviews stating BBBJ, but no LFK for Covid safety? LOL.
Christ, the cognitive dissonance is. Well, that's my rant!I would leave if a provider refused to take off a damn mask. A buddy of mine said something the other day that made absolute sense. If you walk int a restaurant with a mask and and can smell the food, any virus is getting right through that stupid mask. The whole thing is a way to control citizens and keep government in power.
I would leave if a provider refused to take off a damn mask. A buddy of mine said something the other day that made absolute sense. If you walk int a restaurant with a mask and and can smell the food, any virus is getting right through that stupid mask. The whole thing is a way to control citizens and keep government in power.It's just like fucking SEAT BELTS! Trying to keep you pinned in your car and under government control. I completely feel you on this one.
They're also coming for your guns, want to shut down your jesus-loving churches. They called that Green congresswoman from GA ugly too. You need to go hide in the bomb shelter. No need to come out until we give you the all clear sign!
It's just like fucking SEAT BELTS! Trying to keep you pinned in your car and under government control. I completely feel you on this one.
They're also coming for your guns, want to shut down your jesus-loving churches. They called that Green congresswoman from GA ugly too. You need to go hide in the bomb shelter. No need to come out until we give you the all clear sign!What's the "All Clear" signal?
Dude git scammed out of a deposit by one of the deposit scams on tryst. I posted that I didn't think the provider, "manyways", was a real person. Post got removed and I got a 60 day warning. Hilarious except that it isn't.
What's the "All Clear" signal?Hmm. "Inject Bleach. " Nah, they might do that. "I'm a Special Snowflake. " Or "My Body My Choice." Or maybe, "Murika! Fuck yeah."
Maybe the guy should just get smarter friends, so when they say stupid shit, they don't think it "makes perfect sense." lol
I would leave if a provider refused to take off a damn mask. A buddy of mine said something the other day that made absolute sense. If you walk int a restaurant with a mask and and can smell the food, any virus is getting right through that stupid mask. The whole thing is a way to control citizens and keep government in power.
Brilliant minds think alike. And consequently so do stupid ones.
Cooking VOC's are way smaller than covid.
Mask would make sense in some situations (e.g. massages with standard HE). Would not make sense for FS providers.
MeeLikeeAsians
04-27-21, 18:09
Multiple solid reviews and one lousy one from a clown with a history of buffoonery. Perhaps she wasn't attracted to him. Perhaps he wanted FS for the price of a HJ. Perhaps he treated her the same way he's spoken of treating workers at other AMPs. As always YMMV, but it sounds like someone's mileage is always pretty terrible because of the one constant in every situation. Himself.
ORTailBlazer
04-28-21, 19:47
Multiple solid reviews and one lousy one from a clown with a history of buffoonery. Perhaps she wasn't attracted to him. Perhaps he wanted FS for the price of a HJ. Perhaps he treated her the same way he's spoken of treating workers at other AMPs. As always YMMV, but it sounds like someone's mileage is always pretty terrible because of the one constant in every situation. Himself.You are a goof if you think that is ok. They shifted their clocks to minimize times and there has been more than one bad report. Hey sounds like you are ok with an in and out. At that, it is no different than a time-watching escort. Bad massage and a cheating clock.
White knight for AMPs. That is new LOL. No place should cheat you out by trying to trick you with clocks set 15 minutes ahead. I am curious are you getting extras for slipping "good" reviews?
YMMV is an excuse and if I am putting the same down I should get fair treatment. Plain and simple. Some people still think AMPs are an escort business. Last I checked they are not independent. I usually give my tip up front but after my horrific experience at angels on hall? Not doing it anymore.
Ride on white knight.
ORTailBlazer
04-30-21, 00:40
I was thinking about this lately. I have been craving a greek provider that likes it on the harder side. It has been tough to find it. I use the search engine and older posts pop up but it would be nice as I seen there are small list of BBFS requested providers. So here is a small fetish list.
CW: Alana Kay, Lexi Taylor by far the best. Honorable mentions Mya Lynn, Julie, Scarlett L.
Greek: Scarlett L, morganmillian were my best. Both could take it hard and got off.
Rough play: Julie, Scarlett L both loved the hair pulling and harder fun.
I know I hear a lot about Secretmuse, Dahlia, DannicaDae, Brandymore, Kennedy and a few others. I guess with the past few explorations being not so good I am looking for a regular that does it all or mostly everything. Scarlett sounds like she has gotten bigger for her donation range seems out, I could try to meet up for 1 qv as she did last time and had a hot greek qv. Julie is retiring and morgan has retired. A lot of providers do not do greek but are cool with italian fun so it is not all bad. Lexi has gotten bigger but her head game is off the charts and I can barely go 5 minutes when she starts going down. Greek is fun with her but I know she does not like it too rough.
I was thinking about this lately. I have been craving a greek provider that likes it on the harder side. It has been tough to find it. I use the search engine and older posts pop up but it would be nice as I seen there are small list of BBFS requested providers. So here is a small fetish list.
CW: Alana Kay, Lexi Taylor by far the best. Honorable mentions Mya Lynn, Julie, Scarlett L.
Greek: Scarlett L, morganmillian were my best. Both could take it hard and got off.
Rough play: Julie, Scarlett L both loved the hair pulling and harder fun.
I know I hear a lot about Secretmuse, Dahlia, DannicaDae, Brandymore, Kennedy and a few others. I guess with the past few explorations being not so good I am looking for a regular that does it all or mostly everything. Scarlett sounds like she has gotten bigger for her donation range seems out, I could try to meet up for 1 qv as she did last time and had a hot greek qv. Julie is retiring and morgan has retired. A lot of providers do not do greek but are cool with italian fun so it is not all bad. Lexi has gotten bigger but her head game is off the charts and I can barely go 5 minutes when she starts going down. Greek is fun with her but I know she does not like it too rough.The best for hard Greek is nicolebaby8 and she's nowhere near as big as ScarlettL, smells better too.
EoCowbooy 1
04-30-21, 11:44
The best for hard Greek is nicolebaby8 and she's nowhere near as big as ScarlettL, smells better too.She was a fantastic experience. I'm really surprised we didn't explore the Islands as it is both something we really enjoy. I can't complain about the MSOG nor the passion.
Thanks for the reference to ScarlettL. I had been considering her and her photo's represent something different than what you are saying. I'll go with your reference.
I hadn't replied to the OP because I am not certain what he means by rough. Both Ladies like a Man experience of firm and strong. But, go too far and I wouldn't be surprised if your nuts were handed to you. On a Internet board with anonymous handles, I never really know the person on the other side of the screen.
Hinderland
04-30-21, 12:10
The best for hard Greek is nicolebaby8 and she's nowhere near as big as ScarlettL, smells better too.Aside of Dahlia who is the absolutely best Greek provider on TNA hands down, there is one other that comes close but takes the cake due to her very reasonable rates. MONA!
She loves and lives for Greek pounding. She is cool and accommodating with any rough encounter and takes it like a champ with tons of moans. I saw her last week after a long hiatus and she has even added a few covid-pounds.
RamblinJavlin
04-30-21, 14:30
Aside of Dahlia who is the absolutely best Greek provider on TNA hands down, there is one other that comes close but takes the cake due to her very reasonable rates. MONA!
She loves and lives for Greek pounding. She is cool and accommodating with any rough encounter and takes it like a champ with tons of moans. I saw her last week after a long hiatus and she has even added a few covid-pounds.Is Mona and nicolebaby on TNA?
The best for hard Greek is nicolebaby8 and she's nowhere near as big as ScarlettL, smells better too.I'm definitely missing out on her. Sexy MILF! And kimillacole is on my TDL as well.
I'm definitely missing out on her. Sexy MILF! And kimillacole is on my TDL as well.Nicole does have implants if that's an issue.
Nicole does have implants if that's an issue.Even better!
MeeLikeeAsians
04-30-21, 20:23
You are a goof if you think that is ok. They shifted their clocks to minimize times and there has been more than one bad report. Hey sounds like you are ok with an in and out. At that, it is no different than a time-watching escort. Bad massage and a cheating clock.
White knight for AMPs. That is new LOL. No place should cheat you out by trying to trick you with clocks set 15 minutes ahead. I am curious are you getting extras for slipping "good" reviews?
YMMV is an excuse and if I am putting the same down I should get fair treatment. Plain and simple. Some people still think AMPs are an escort business. Last I checked they are not independent. I usually give my tip up front but after my horrific experience at angels on hall? Not doing it anymore.
Ride on white knight.Believe what you want. I really don't give a shit. I'm not the only one who's posted a report of good experiences there. If you had a bad one, sorry but my report stands. I received a very good deep tissue massage and then she rode my pole like it was the last one on Earth. I've been there once so, no, I'm not getting extras for posting a report. Hilarious! If you didn't like it there, there's plenty of other spots in the area.
Went today to get a full panel STD test, due to having been awhile. They charged me $40 more than their published price on the website and discussed my testing right in the waiting room in front of other people.
It's the only option I'm aware of for anonymous, cash based testing in Vancouver and they effing suck. Is there any place to report these idiots?
Aside of Dahlia who is the absolutely best Greek provider on TNA hands down, there is one other that comes close but takes the cake due to her very reasonable rates. MONA!
She loves and lives for Greek pounding. She is cool and accommodating with any rough encounter and takes it like a champ with tons of moans. I saw her last week after a long hiatus and she has even added a few covid-pounds.Mona just posted an ad, shoulder up photos and describes herself as curvy. That's a surefire indication of a big girl and not anything I'm interested in.
SecretMuse is slim with baby damage and NicoleBaby8 is an athletic build stripper. Dahlia is way older than any of them.
Went today to get a full panel STD test, due to having been awhile. They charged me $40 more than their published price on the website and discussed my testing right in the waiting room in front of other people.
It's the only option I'm aware of for anonymous, cash based testing in Vancouver and they effing suck. Is there any place to report these idiots?Damn, that's illegal to discuss any medical issues in the presents of others outside the patient doctor purview. In Oregon we have the State Medical Board to send complainants to. I suggest looking at the State Of Washington Medical boards for guidance.
That's totally jacked! Sorry you were put in that position. Totally unprofessional and humiliating for sure.
Damn, that's illegal to discuss any medical issues in the presents of others outside the patient doctor purview. In Oregon we have the State Medical Board to send complainants to. I suggest looking at the State Of Washington Medical boards for guidance.
That's totally jacked! Sorry you were put in that position. Totally unprofessional and humiliating for sure.I've had good luck with healthlabs. The comprehensive test is showing $139 for me today, down from the $179 in the past, and sometimes their site will pop up a 10% coupon.
They ask for your information, but you can just make it up. If you want to stay completely anonymous, I don't think they take cash, but they would likely accept a prepaid gift card which should do the trick. I've never been asked to show I'd, but if you're concerned about it just order a fake one from OIS.
I test out of a nearby Quest facility within a Safeway. The staff there has always been courtious, professional, and 90% on time.
Can't tell if it was pussy or mouth? Wow!I've had a couple of BJ's that were better than Pussy. Although few and very FAR between. May have been the "setting", excitement factor, etc. But I'll surely NEVER forget those. .
PriceIsRight39
05-02-21, 14:29
I was thinking about this lately. I have been craving a greek provider that likes it on the harder side. It has been tough to find it. I use the search engine and older posts pop up but it would be nice as I seen there are small list of BBFS requested providers. So here is a small fetish list.
CW: Alana Kay, Lexi Taylor by far the best. Honorable mentions Mya Lynn, Julie, Scarlett L.
Greek: Scarlett L, morganmillian were my best. Both could take it hard and got off.
Rough play: Julie, Scarlett L both loved the hair pulling and harder fun.
I know I hear a lot about Secretmuse, Dahlia, DannicaDae, Brandymore, Kennedy and a few others. I guess with the past few explorations being not so good I am looking for a regular that does it all or mostly everything. Scarlett sounds like she has gotten bigger for her donation range seems out, I could try to meet up for 1 qv as she did last time and had a hot greek qv. Julie is retiring and morgan has retired. A lot of providers do not do greek but are cool with italian fun so it is not all bad. Lexi has gotten bigger but her head game is off the charts and I can barely go 5 minutes when she starts going down. Greek is fun with her but I know she does not like it too rough.Very YMMV but Vegan yoga cutie took it VERY hard (Islands, covered) Very vocal! Took a good long time to get in. F*k her little pink starfish was tight. Slipped off the mark and into her soaking wet sex couple of times on entry. Finally got it going. She seems to enjoy. It seemed spur of the moment, but who knows. It was not disused beforehand. You didn't hear it from me. I don't typically seek out island tours, but I'm starting to dig it.
Enjoy.
CreamPieSeeker
05-03-21, 09:24
So I see 2 providers that email me when they are in town. Neither has put ad out for months since they have decent number of regulars. Is this fairly common?
Please don't ask about identity since they both said they don't want to screen new people.
So I see 2 providers that email me when they are in town. Neither has put ad out for months since they have decent number of regulars. Is this fairly common?
Please don't ask about identity since they both said they don't want to screen new people.I've had a couple of providers do this as well. There are many local providers who don't advertise for that reason as well.
Sugar Daddy PDX
05-03-21, 15:42
So I see 2 providers that email me when they are in town. Neither has put ad out for months since they have decent number of regulars. Is this fairly common?
Please don't ask about identity since they both said they don't want to screen new people.Absolutely, I have a number of providers that do this. There are risks on both sides with new friends, so sticking with one that you know is preferable for me. When I see one I like, I encourage them to reach out anytime. Nice to get perks too!
ChiBoy1965
05-03-21, 19:30
So. Has anyone ever had any luck using PayPal, Cashapp, gift cards, etc for donations?? I've pretty much learned my lesson by now (after being too gullible too often), but just wondering if that has every actually worked out for any of you mongers??
I've had a couple of providers do this as well. There are many local providers who don't advertise for that reason as well.My ATF is reviewed well and often on tna and she's never posted an ad. And no, don't PM for the details.
RamblinJavlin
05-03-21, 22:21
So. Has anyone ever had any luck using PayPal, Cashapp, gift cards, etc for donations?? I've pretty much learned my lesson by now (after being too gullible too often), but just wondering if that has every actually worked out for any of you mongers??I'm not going to prepay. Fuck that. As far as a gift card, I don't see a problem with that on your end, but then how are they going to know that it's legit? Unless you're talking about giving them the gift card in some electronic sense to where they then have the money before your session. But that's a prepay too. I'm not about to get ripped off, and I hope no one ever tries.
So. Has anyone ever had any luck using PayPal, Cashapp, gift cards, etc for donations?? I've pretty much learned my lesson by now (after being too gullible too often), but just wondering if that has every actually worked out for any of you mongers??I won't say 'never' prepay, but be careful of the small print. If a reputable provider who stakes her reputation on TNA reviews and such wants a fifty-spot to hold a spot for a newbie with no presence, be mindful of things like cancellation and communication policies. I've seen guys lose money over silly things like 'my ad clearly states you must call one hour before the appointment or it's cancelled. '.
By and large, my advice is that if you're reputable (reviews, etc.) on TNA, there's no reason you need to deposit anything. The reverse isn't true; a provider won't front you intimacy if you're a bit short that week, so why should you front her cash in the hopes she follows through with seeing you? (How often have providers 'fallen asleep' or 'had an emergency' after a guy pre-pays?
Cashapp and PayPal and such are fine if you do the transaction in front of her AND she verifies the funds are available to her WHILE you're in the room. Too often providers don't verify funds are available and consider themselves ripped off when whatever app / platform they use just needs them to accept the transfer in a given timeframe.
Really, there's just no reason to stop using cash. And with as many 'rob' reports as TNA has regarding app transactions, it's just the best option.
RamblinJavlin
05-04-21, 12:23
I won't say 'never' prepay, but be careful of the small print. If a reputable provider who stakes her reputation on TNA reviews and such wants a fifty-spot to hold a spot for a newbie with no presence, be mindful of things like cancellation and communication policies. I've seen guys lose money over silly things like 'my ad clearly states you must call one hour before the appointment or it's cancelled. '.
By and large, my advice is that if you're reputable (reviews, etc.) on TNA, there's no reason you need to deposit anything. The reverse isn't true; a provider won't front you intimacy if you're a bit short that week, so why should you front her cash in the hopes she follows through with seeing you? (How often have providers 'fallen asleep' or 'had an emergency' after a guy pre-pays?
Cashapp and PayPal and such are fine if you do the transaction in front of her AND she verifies the funds are available to her WHILE you're in the room. Too often providers don't verify funds are available and consider themselves ripped off when whatever app / platform they use just needs them to accept the transfer in a given timeframe.
Really, there's just no reason to stop using cash. And with as many 'rob' reports as TNA has regarding app transactions, it's just the best option.Okay, so maybe never, but only if she seems super legit. And I'd have to really want to see her. Like there would have to be something that really draws me in.
So. Has anyone ever had any luck using PayPal, Cashapp, gift cards, etc for donations?? I've pretty much learned my lesson by now (after being too gullible too often), but just wondering if that has every actually worked out for any of you mongers??The issue with the methods you have described is there is now a clear, undisputable electronic trail back to you. If you have anything at all this if you get outed, this is a bad thing.
ChiBoy1965
05-04-21, 16:15
I'm not going to prepay. Fuck that. As far as a gift card, I don't see a problem with that on your end, but then how are they going to know that it's legit? Unless you're talking about giving them the gift card in some electronic sense to where they then have the money before your session. But that's a prepay too. I'm not about to get ripped off, and I hope no one ever tries.Well, I found out the hard way if you send them pics of the front and back of a gift card, they can still use the funds (especially if you scratch off the code on the back). Again, I was stupid and gullible, so learn from my mistake.
ChiBoy1965
05-04-21, 16:18
I won't say 'never' prepay, but be careful of the small print. If a reputable provider who stakes her reputation on TNA reviews and such wants a fifty-spot to hold a spot for a newbie with no presence, be mindful of things like cancellation and communication policies. I've seen guys lose money over silly things like 'my ad clearly states you must call one hour before the appointment or it's cancelled. '.
By and large, my advice is that if you're reputable (reviews, etc.) on TNA, there's no reason you need to deposit anything. The reverse isn't true; a provider won't front you intimacy if you're a bit short that week, so why should you front her cash in the hopes she follows through with seeing you? (How often have providers 'fallen asleep' or 'had an emergency' after a guy pre-pays?
Cashapp and PayPal and such are fine if you do the transaction in front of her AND she verifies the funds are available to her WHILE you're in the room. Too often providers don't verify funds are available and consider themselves ripped off when whatever app / platform they use just needs them to accept the transfer in a given timeframe.
Really, there's just no reason to stop using cash. And with as many 'rob' reports as TNA has regarding app transactions, it's just the best option.I've never had to pay any kind of deposit from TNA, but it's been a common theme from other websites. I agree on the cash only policy. It's now a hard and fast rule for me. I appreciate all the feedback!
RamblinJavlin
05-06-21, 01:23
Question: What's a good app for a burner number? All of them seem to cost something except Google Voice. Thanks in advance.
I have been using "Second Line" for over a year now and it is a free download with adds but it works fine for me.
Question: What's a good app for a burner number? All of them seem to cost something except Google Voice. Thanks in advance.
Sugar Daddy PDX
05-06-21, 12:24
Question: What's a good app for a burner number? All of them seem to cost something except Google Voice. Thanks in advance.I've used textnow for over two years. I opted up for 2 bucks a month so I keep my same number and make phone calls.
Question: What's a good app for a burner number? All of them seem to cost something except Google Voice. Thanks in advance.I'm using TextMe for two years and it's been great. Emoji's and website links are a hit a miss tho.
RamblinJavlin
05-07-21, 01:55
Thanks, everyone.
Question: What's a good app for a burner number? All of them seem to cost something except Google Voice. Thanks in advance.You can set up Google Voice with any email, so a burner email associated with the line turns the whole identity 'off' if you ever need that.
RamblinJavlin
05-07-21, 16:07
You can set up Google Voice with any email, so a burner email associated with the line turns the whole identity 'off' if you ever need that.Okay, I'll look at that as well. I just want what anyone wants: ease of use, and it to be disassociated with me. I was a little ignorant getting into this and haven't done things too safe. Had someone hit me up late at night asking me when I was looking to book. I didn't recognize the number. When I asked who it was, they sent me a picture of them holding their dick. I block that number and deleted the messages faster than dropping someone else's used condom.
You can set up Google Voice with any email, so a burner email associated with the line turns the whole identity 'off' if you ever need that.Yes, burner number app used with a burner email accessed via VPN. TextMe also works great you just need to text once a month to keep the number. If you pay for any of these apps they are no longer anonymous. The one exception is that it seems that you must pay for a VPN for it to be usable. I don't use any us based VPN providers or numbers. You will get blocked from some sites but I'm OK with that.
Okay, I'll look at that as well. I just want what anyone wants: ease of use, and it to be disassociated with me. I was a little ignorant getting into this and haven't done things too safe. Had someone hit me up late at night asking me when I was looking to book. I didn't recognize the number. When I asked who it was, they sent me a picture of them holding their dick. I block that number and deleted the messages faster than dropping someone else's used condom.Google will want you to associate a separate number / email with your burner identity. It's to help you authenticate and log-in if you lose access, but please do avoid that.
If something bad happens, associating your real identity with your burner is irrefutable evidence it was you. Be sure to log your passwords in a secure password manager instead. Convenience is nice, but can bite you right in the ass in this hobby.
I was thinking about this lately. I have been craving a greek provider that likes it on the harder side. It has been tough to find it. I use the search engine and older posts pop up but it would be nice as I seen there are small list of BBFS requested providers. So here is a small fetish list.
CW: Alana Kay, Lexi Taylor by far the best. Honorable mentions Mya Lynn, Julie, Scarlett L.
Greek: Scarlett L, morganmillian were my best. Both could take it hard and got off.
Rough play: Julie, Scarlett L both loved the hair pulling and harder fun.Honorable, Thank you. Now if I can get that review posted of so and so a few days ago in my kitchen!
Mind blown emoji!
PriceIsRight39
05-17-21, 15:02
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2177908-%26%23128139%3B-%26%23128068%3B-Tall-Blonde-Busty-Luscious-Scandinavian-Goddess-%26%23128068%3B
5 per hour. Safety, overweight, no menu. Was reported in one review on the cuck board as covered French. Review was useless beyond that " detail" Unreal. It's all gone to poo. I love how they want you to join the only fans. We're doing this to ourselves.
RamblinJavlin
05-17-21, 20:35
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2177908-%26%23128139%3B-%26%23128068%3B-Tall-Blonde-Busty-Luscious-Scandinavian-Goddess-%26%23128068%3B
5 per hour. Safety, overweight, no menu. Was reported in one review on the cuck board as covered French. Review was useless beyond that " detail" Unreal. It's all gone to poo. I love how they want you to join the only fans. We're doing this to ourselves.Five an hour and she probably doesn't even know French. She'll probably starve or get fed off of the inexperienced hobbyists who will pay.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2177908-%26%23128139%3B-%26%23128068%3B-Tall-Blonde-Busty-Luscious-Scandinavian-Goddess-%26%23128068%3B
5 per hour. Safety, overweight, no menu. Was reported in one review on the cuck board as covered French. Review was useless beyond that " detail" Unreal. It's all gone to poo. I love how they want you to join the only fans. We're doing this to ourselves.She claims to be 21 and 6'0". I'm not planning on seeing her, but I'd pay extra to see a 6'+ woman. What can I say, I'm weird and have a thing for tall women LOL.
She claims to be 21 and 6'0". I'm not planning on seeing her, but I'd pay extra to see a 6'+ woman. What can I say, I'm weird and have a thing for tall women LOL.Go see moniquek334 for less, she's attractive.
Hinderland
05-18-21, 12:50
She claims to be 21 and 6'0". I'm not planning on seeing her, but I'd pay extra to see a 6'+ woman. What can I say, I'm weird and have a thing for tall women LOL.Try https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?320093-Red-Heron.
She is not 21 but fits the bill for your tall order. A fiery Redhead and I may add voluptuous yet still submissive and accommodating MILF. The one and only Seattle's own Red Heron. She calls Portland her second home and she is here every other month. I'll add if you play your cards right there will be some sweet surprises that will keep you coming for more.
PoonHound1969
05-18-21, 12:56
ORTailBlazer;5327961]I was thinking about this lately. I have been craving a greek provider that likes it on the harder side. It has been tough to find it. I use the search engine and older posts pop up but it would be nice as I seen there are small list of BBFS requested providers. So here is a small fetish list.
CW: Alana Kay, Lexi Taylor by far the best. Honorable mentions Mya Lynn, Julie, Scarlett L.
What the heck CW?
Is Mya offering BBFS?
Try https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?320093-Red-Heron.
She is not 21 but fits the bill for your tall order. A fiery Redhead and I may add voluptuous yet still submissive and accommodating MILF. The one and only Seattle's own Red Heron. She calls Portland her second home and she is here every other month. I'll add if you play your cards right there will be some sweet surprises that will keep you coming for more.I've seen red heron. Recommended by a fellow hobbyists. Ass to pussy back2 back almost as nasty as Scarlett L. Any Bbw lover out there she is a must try. Not a clock watcher as long as you can Fck her deep and hard! She loves fucking!! Pic is a little outdated but she is still fun. Believe me when I say not a clock watcher I mean it. If you can keep your dick hard for two hr, shell let you Fck her till you cum
PriceIsRight39
05-20-21, 16:17
She claims to be 21 and 6'0". I'm not planning on seeing her, but I'd pay extra to see a 6'+ woman. What can I say, I'm weird and have a thing for tall women LOL.I get it. There was a tall blond I used to see on TNA. Luxuriouslex or something. She was 6'0" and thin, actually 21 and a magic pu**why. Her kitty was big, huge pink lips. She felt great. A little unreliable and has gone down hill (on STG sometimes). I like tall ones too. The above mentioned girl was no where near 5 bills an hour.
I get it. There was a tall blond I used to see on TNA. Luxuriouslex or something. She was 6'0" and thin, actually 21 and a magic pu**why. Her kitty was big, huge pink lips. She felt great. A little unreliable and has gone down hill (on STG sometimes). I like tall ones too. The above mentioned girl was no where near 5 bills an hour.Mariella is pretty tall and has a wonderful head game.
ORTailBlazer
05-21-21, 11:25
ORTailBlazer;5327961]I was thinking about this lately. I have been craving a greek provider that likes it on the harder side. It has been tough to find it. I use the search engine and older posts pop up but it would be nice as I seen there are small list of BBFS requested providers. So here is a small fetish list.
CW: Alana Kay, Lexi Taylor by far the best. Honorable mentions Mya Lynn, Julie, Scarlett L.
What the heck CW?
Is Mya offering BBFS?Mya does not offer BBFS and I would not ask. She has a great BBBJ but no cim.
Mya does not offer BBFS and I would not ask. She has a great BBBJ but no cim.I was extremely happy with her. BBBJ cfs very sexy face thicc body in the best way. Great experience.
RamblinJavlin
05-29-21, 16:57
Dude, what is with these people?! $500? Crazy!
\https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2184621-%26%23127774%3B-%26%23127803%3B-Tall-Blonde-Summer-Dream-Girl%26%23127803%3B-Review-Special%26%23127803%3B-Let%92s-Play%26%23127803%3B-%26%23127774%3B.
Dude, what is with these people?! $500? Crazy!
\https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2184621-%26%23127774%3B-%26%23127803%3B-Tall-Blonde-Summer-Dream-Girl%26%23127803%3B-Review-Special%26%23127803%3B-Let%92s-Play%26%23127803%3B-%26%23127774%3B.I don't care how cute she is 5 bens for an hour is insane. On top of that she wants a selfie to confirm? Nope.
ORTailBlazer
07-02-21, 16:39
So just seen a discussion thread. Provider asks for a ride and stated she would not offer anything but a conversation. One well known provider supported her stating she should not have to trade. This same well known provider explained why rates were going up. She stated with all pricing (rent, hotel rates and others) and the fact that they offer the needs of men and that alone is worth more than most things.
So gas going up and they think there should be no compensation? Call an uber or lyft then. This is why I am sticking to my AMP regular and one or two others. I find it insane that providers ask for free stuff stating no trade should be required and then states that they should raise their rates because they provide us a need. Sounded like the ride was a need for one provider so that should be worth something?
Gas going up but sure I will waste gas on a conversation? Hypocrisy maybe? Sorry for the rant but if I put this logic on tna, I would be crucified. Be picky hobbyists. There are many ladies who genuinely enjoy the hobby like us. Ladies who do not ride that high horse thinking they deserve it all and we hobbyists have to give it all essentially for free, or free.
Rant over.
RockyRococo
07-02-21, 19:52
There was a popular bumper sticker that read: ass, cash, or grass, 'cause no one rides for free!
So just seen a discussion thread. Provider asks for a ride and stated she would not offer anything but a conversation. One well known provider supported her stating she should not have to trade. This same well known provider explained why rates were going up. She stated with all pricing (rent, hotel rates and others) and the fact that they offer the needs of men and that alone is worth more than most things.
Meh, its supply and demand. Record low unemployment rates combined with lots of money saved due to covid.
Another huge problem with PDX if you compare with Bay Area / Seattle is the lack of overseas talent that generally pushes rates down. Cost of living in San Jose is more than PDX, but you can get a good looking kgirl GFE hour for less than the cost of an average girl's HH here.
I will say that a lot of the new cgirls are CA refugees that wouldn't have bothered venturing north if it weren't for covid. I just wish more cgirl and kgirls would migrate over.
So just seen a discussion thread. Provider asks for a ride and stated she would not offer anything but a conversation. One well known provider supported her stating she should not have to trade. This same well known provider explained why rates were going up. She stated with all pricing (rent, hotel rates and others) and the fact that they offer the needs of men and that alone is worth more than most things.
So gas going up and they think there should be no compensation? Call an uber or lyft then. This is why I am sticking to my AMP regular and one or two others. I find it insane that providers ask for free stuff stating no trade should be required and then states that they should raise their rates because they provide us a need. Sounded like the ride was a need for one provider so that should be worth something?
Gas going up but sure I will waste gas on a conversation? Hypocrisy maybe? Sorry for the rant but if I put this logic on tna, I would be crucified. Be picky hobbyists. There are many ladies who genuinely enjoy the hobby like us. Ladies who do not ride that high horse thinking they deserve it all and we hobbyists have to give it all essentially for free, or free.
Rant over.Well, with the high number of White Knights over on TNA the provider will have nooooo issues finding a ride. If she's smart, she'll charge the guy for the meet & greet they had during the ride. And of course he'll gladly pay it and write a glowing review!
EoCowbooy 1
07-03-21, 11:49
So just seen a discussion thread. Provider asks for a ride and stated she would not offer anything but a conversation. One well known provider supported her stating she should not have to trade. This same well known provider explained why rates were going up. She stated with all pricing (rent, hotel rates and others) and the fact that they offer the needs of men and that alone is worth more than most things.
So gas going up and they think there should be no compensation? Call an uber or lyft then. This is why I am sticking to my AMP regular and one or two others. I find it insane that providers ask for free stuff stating no trade should be required and then states that they should raise their rates because they provide us a need. Sounded like the ride was a need for one provider so that should be worth something?
Gas going up but sure I will waste gas on a conversation? Hypocrisy maybe? Sorry for the rant but if I put this logic on tna, I would be crucified. Be picky hobbyists. There are many ladies who genuinely enjoy the hobby like us. Ladies who do not ride that high horse thinking they deserve it all and we hobbyists have to give it all essentially for free, or free.
Rant over.I had some popcorn to eat this morning and thought, "WTH". Went and took a look and have no idea what thread this is on.
PdxHobbiest
07-03-21, 18:15
I don't care how cute she is 5 bens for an hour is insane. On top of that she wants a selfie to confirm? Nope.Yeah. And not only that but a lot of these new hot girls are complete safety while still charging 5 bens. Saw one a couple of times to see if I could build some trust and at maybe do daty, but she got upset the last time I saw her that when I kissed her tit when she put it in my face and reminded me she's not into that.
ORTailBlazer
07-04-21, 11:33
I had some popcorn to eat this morning and thought, "WTH". Went and took a look and have no idea what thread this is on.https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2199800-Who-is-free-at-7-45-pm-06-28-Pick-me-%26%23127385%3B-from-the-Vancouver-Amtrak%26%23128663%3B-%26%23129523%3B
She did post another one and maybe she liked the hobbyist so she did an exchange but ya the fact one said you should not have to pay or trade? Like our time and gas is not as valuable as theirs?
RammerRammer
07-04-21, 12:29
Nobody rides for free.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2199800-Who-is-free-at-7-45-pm-06-28-Pick-me-%26%23127385%3B-from-the-Vancouver-Amtrak%26%23128663%3B-%26%23129523%3B
She did post another one and maybe she liked the hobbyist so she did an exchange but ya the fact one said you should not have to pay or trade? Like our time and gas is not as valuable as theirs?I live right there, woulda been fine with a quick pick up and drop off. Cheaper than a HH session. Haven't looked to even see if I'd be interestedbut if it was someone I thought I'd see and it was 2 minutes away, no reason not to.
Travelling safety girl? Fuk no she can call an uber.
RockyRococo
07-04-21, 17:06
Nobody rides for free.You remembered it more accurately than I.
PriceIsRight39
07-09-21, 12:24
Meh, its supply and demand. Record low unemployment rates combined with lots of money saved due to covid.
Another huge problem with PDX if you compare with Bay Area / Seattle is the lack of overseas talent that generally pushes rates down. Cost of living in San Jose is more than PDX, but you can get a good looking kgirl GFE hour for less than the cost of an average girl's HH here.
I will say that a lot of the new cgirls are CA refugees that wouldn't have bothered venturing north if it weren't for covid. I just wish more cgirl and kgirls would migrate over.I'd agree! Rates are joke right now! 5 bones for safety girl! And the reviews! What a load of crap! I done want a romance novel, the facts! Where did you stick it, dis she suc it? You know the facts!! LOL.
CreamPieSeeker
07-11-21, 12:44
When I check out other cities, I can't help but notice that Portland has way too many fat providers. Sorry, had to rant.
When I check out other cities, I can't help but notice that Portland has way too many fat providers. Sorry, had to rant.And they're asking for 200-300 hhr LOL WTF!
When I check out other cities, I can't help but notice that Portland has way too many fat providers. Sorry, had to rant.Not enough overseas talent in PDX, see my post below. Got to convince those kgirl agencies to setup shop here.
I was watching some JAV and what they called BBW is what half the TNA girls call 'Slim and Curvy'.
I'd agree! Rates are joke right now! 5 bones for safety girl! And the reviews! What a load of crap! I done want a romance novel, the facts! Where did you stick it, dis she suc it? You know the facts!! LOL.Bring your A game when visiting a provider and be a gentleman. I usually ask for regulars rate after third date. So far I gotten 3 bargain deal for full hour visit all under 200. One provider rate is 300 and I'm getting it for 140 bbfsciacipcof downside she flaky but fun af.
When I check out other cities, I can't help but notice that Portland has way too many fat providers. Sorry, had to rant.Unfortunately these days 9 times out of 10 in pdx.
Bbw= fat.
Curvey= fat.
Hwp= soon to be fat.
Athletic= kinda fat.
Slim= meth head.
CreamPieSeeker
07-12-21, 02:25
This is so true.
Unfortunately these days 9 times out of 10 in pdx.
Bbw= fat.
Curvey= fat.
Hwp= soon to be fat.
Athletic= kinda fat.
Slim= meth head.
TruckerBob
07-12-21, 12:44
All fat slobs who think they can charge $300 plus to throw flour on and look for the wet spot.
Unfortunately these days 9 times out of 10 in pdx.
Bbw= fat.
Curvey= fat.
Hwp= soon to be fat.
Athletic= kinda fat.
Slim= meth head.
I've been taking a lot of time away since Covid. Lurking around the boards, I've been following the trends.
I finally decided time were safe enough for me vaccinated. But the insane level of women asking for very high donations and yet are about as far from any "experience" a guy would want. Why would anyone want to spend any time with a woman who would recoil at the idea of even kissing? Well, I guess there are guys into being treated like shit. Maybe I am way off and the majority of guys prefer that?
Obviously there are still some good people to go see. I think if you removed all the rest from a site like TNA you would end up with maybe a half dozen ads on a good day.
Lately I've been thinking the women who want the money but also want to enjoy them selves are hanging out on sugar sites instead.
Obviously this is a bit of a rant with the theme that has been going on lately. I wish that ask the guys would stop seeing any of these cold fish women. Sure, if it's a QV I can see minimum interaction. But don't drop 300 to 400 for an hour of someone with a list of "No's" that rivals Apple's terms and agreements form. I know it's not realistic.
https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?534385-Kasey
So basically you can kiss her and she'll pee on you. Everything else is off the table.
EoCowbooy 1
07-28-21, 01:39
I've been taking a lot of time away since Covid. Lurking around the boards, I've been following the trends.
I finally decided time were safe enough for me vaccinated. But the insane level of women asking for very high donations and yet are about as far from any "experience" a guy would want. Why would anyone want to spend any time with a woman who would recoil at the idea of even kissing? Well, I guess there are guys into being treated like shit. Maybe I am way off and the majority of guys prefer that?
Obviously there are still some good people to go see. I think if you removed all the rest from a site like TNA you would end up with maybe a half dozen ads on a good day.
Lately I've been thinking the women who want the money but also want to enjoy them selves are hanging out on sugar sites instead.
Obviously this is a bit of a rant with the theme that has been going on lately. I wish that ask the guys would stop seeing any of these cold fish women. Sure, if it's a QV I can see minimum interaction. But don't drop 300 to 400 for an hour of someone with a list of "No's" that rivals Apple's terms and agreements form. I know it's not realistic.I think it depends upon your preferences. I tend towards mature. I have a lady I see a lot in spurts. It is almost a sugar deal. She's kind of been silent to me for about 2 months. But, when she is ready, it's fucking intense usually for about 6 weeks. Then, silence to me for several months to a year at times. It's been that way for about 8 years I think. When she's on, I am over there 2-3 times a week.
So, I decided to try the Sugar thing. I put up there I prefer 35 and older. Man, the 20 year olds. 5-6 a day either send messages or let me know they are interested. I haven't really even gone beyond setting up my account and messaging the mire mature ladies to see their hidden photo's. As luck would have it, right after starting, I got busy and haven't explored.
I know guys that Love that site. The younger ladies I have seen in this hobby are doing the best they can given their life experiences and sexual journey. But, the mature ones really light it up for me more. So, I went back and researched. I think I found a really great one. If so, I'm going to pursue the regular customer route. Luck will likely be that I lose that status to either my Long time on and off lady reappearing or busy life.
I think both avenues have advantages and disadvantages. I am just feeling like I know more going in on a verified Hobby Lady.
PriceIsRight39
08-02-21, 12:56
I think it depends upon your preferences. I tend towards mature. I have a lady I see a lot in spurts. It is almost a sugar deal. She's kind of been silent to me for about 2 months. But, when she is ready, it's fucking intense usually for about 6 weeks. Then, silence to me for several months to a year at times. It's been that way for about 8 years I think. When she's on, I am over there 2-3 times a week.
So, I decided to try the Sugar thing. I put up there I prefer 35 and older. Man, the 20 year olds. 5-6 a day either send messages or let me know they are interested. I haven't really even gone beyond setting up my account and messaging the mire mature ladies to see their hidden photo's. As luck would have it, right after starting, I got busy and haven't explored.
I know guys that Love that site. The younger ladies I have seen in this hobby are doing the best they can given their life experiences and sexual journey. But, the mature ones really light it up for me more. So, I went back and researched. I think I found a really great one. If so, I'm going to pursue the regular customer route. Luck will likely be that I lose that status to either my Long time on and off lady reappearing or busy life.
I think both avenues have advantages and disadvantages. I am just feeling like I know more going in on a verified Hobby Lady.Man I love the feel of a 20 yo puss, but you're on to something. A 35-40 MILF is typically such a better time. They love to fuc and know how to bring it. Not always, but more often than not. I'm going to try the sugar sites and see. Tired of the transactional nature of the " hobby. ".
Man I love the feel of a 20 yo puss, but you're on to something. A 35-40 MILF is typically such a better time. They love to fuc and know how to bring it. Not always, but more often than not. I'm going to try the sugar sites and see. Tired of the transactional nature of the " hobby. ".The hobby is getting worst. Now that being a SW is a trend on Twitter. I no longer read reviews I just read the Twitter feed of some of these girls and wonder if they know what branding is. If your SW name is different than your real name maybe you should do that for your Twitter. God knows I will not see you if you come off as entitled and vitriolic.
MichaelNguyen
08-27-21, 12:47
Everytime I check the sites out for providers, it's always the same providers posting the same ad with the same outdated photos. Scrolling through the pages and you'll see the same providers ad on the next page or page after. And the specials? Is it really a special if it's the same donation you've had posted for the last several ads?! LOL!!
What's with the donation increase too! Well below average looks are seeking 200/ hh which is absurd. Let's all do our part and NOT see these providers with ridiculous rates, outdated photos and horrible service!!
Did I miss anything? LOL!! My. 2 just simply annoyed.
Everytime I check the sites out for providers, it's always the same providers posting the same ad with the same outdated photos. Scrolling through the pages and you'll see the same providers ad on the next page or page after. And the specials? Is it really a special if it's the same donation you've had posted for the last several ads?! LOL!!
What's with the donation increase too! Well below average looks are seeking 200/ hh which is absurd. Let's all do our part and NOT see these providers with ridiculous rates, outdated photos and horrible service!!
Did I miss anything? LOL!! My. 2 just simply annoyed.They advertise because they have to.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2236290-Since-when-did-it-become-normal-to%85
Check out this thread by Daisy. She's a very refreshing voice. The funny thing is all the idiot white knights falling all over themselves to defend cancellation fees and alert extortion by toxic entitled providers.
BTW I'd like to nominate Bigbooblover83 for White Knight of the year.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2236290-Since-when-did-it-become-normal-to%85
Check out this thread by Daisy. She's a very refreshing voice. The funny thing is all the idiot white knights falling all over themselves to defend cancellation fees and alert extortion by toxic entitled providers.
BTW I'd like to nominate Bigbooblover83 for White Knight of the year.I believe cuck is the more accurate word.
I don't even recall there being any cancellation fees before 2016 or so.
WarpFactor69
09-07-21, 15:08
I believe cuck is the more accurate word.
I don't even recall there being any cancellation fees before 2016 or so.Payment should be for services provided, not promised.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2236290-Since-when-did-it-become-normal-to%85
Check out this thread by Daisy. She's a very refreshing voice. The funny thing is all the idiot white knights falling all over themselves to defend cancellation fees and alert extortion by toxic entitled providers.
BTW I'd like to nominate Bigbooblover83 for White Knight of the year.She'll incur the wrath of the entitled and I'm sure she already has felt jealous rage from them. Good for her. When she is the victim of attacks (they will be coming) don't believe them. It's like 7th grade there.
She'll incur the wrath of the entitled and I'm sure she already has felt jealous rage from them. Good for her. When she is the victim of attacks (they will be coming) don't believe them. It's like 7th grade there.Seen a few girls turn jaded / toxic from being on TNA for too long.
[QUOTE=Boomer14;5531568]BTW I'd like to nominate Bigbooblover83 for White Knight of the year./QUOTE]It's always kind of a race between all those boys to see who can be the first to post the.
"I'm so sorry he did that to you.
You shouldn't have had to deal with that.
You're the sweetest and don't deserve that.
Red dots for him".
Over the top please like me nonsensical garbage.
EoCowbooy 1
09-14-21, 01:06
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2240327-Rob&p=13516137#post13516137.
Seems like her laptop is used to record sessions. May have synced with the guys phone?
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2240327-Rob&p=13516137#post13516137.
Seems like her laptop is used to record sessions. May have synced with the guys phone?I'll take Blackmail for 1000 Alex.
Good looking out Cowboy! This is a chilling report. Of course the first White Knight already posted his skeptical response.
EoCowbooy 1
09-14-21, 15:36
I'll take Blackmail for 1000 Alex.
Good looking out Cowboy! This is a chilling report. Of course the first White Knight already posted his skeptical response.If you are referring to Jake, I find him to be far from a WK. I've personally met him as well. I'll peek over as I'm sure more have answered. I didn't expect it to be up this long actually.
If you are referring to Jake, I find him to be far from a WK. I've personally met him as well. I'll peek over as I'm sure more have answered. I didn't expect it to be up this long actually.I don't know why this guy has so many guys questioning him as he spelled it out pretty well in his first statement. Interesting that no women have posted in this alert. More interesting is his comments on the back channel statements by other guys. One guy asked what she could possibly gain by accessing his phone? OMG what a dolt.
I'm with you in that I thought TNA would have nuked this thread by now. I can't personally vouch for any men on TNA so I'm going with the eyeball test on Jake. You may be right but.
EoCowbooy 1
09-16-21, 00:47
I don't know why this guy has so many guys questioning him as he spelled it out pretty well in his first statement. Interesting that no women have posted in this alert. More interesting is his comments on the back channel statements by other guys. One guy asked what she could possibly gain by accessing his phone? OMG what a dolt.
I'm with you in that I thought TNA would have nuked this thread by now. I can't personally vouch for any men on TNA so I'm going with the eyeball test on Jake. You may be right but.I've known Jake since around the time CLRB became TNA. He and others were the first ones to vet a lot of the new ladies. They certainly had methods to vet a new lady. I appreciated the risks they took. He'll call out BS no matter if it is a lady or guy. Not always publicly. He never defended the lady IMO.
I never went back to the thread to see the comment about what the Gal could gain. I'm amazed that anyone wouldn't realize extortion. I never considered an open computer would possibly be taping a session. It's something I'll be on the lookout for from now on.
John Chemistry
09-17-21, 00:57
I've known Jake since around the time CLRB became TNA. He and others were the first ones to vet a lot of the new ladies. They certainly had methods to vet a new lady. I appreciated the risks they took. He'll call out BS no matter if it is a lady or guy. Not always publicly. He never defended the lady IMO.
I never went back to the thread to see the comment about what the Gal could gain. I'm amazed that anyone wouldn't realize extortion. I never considered an open computer would possibly be taping a session. It's something I'll be on the lookout for from now on.Isn't he the guy who had his garage burned down by Jessie (Cinder)? Because if he is, fuck you for sticking up for him!
PriceIsRight39
09-17-21, 11:22
I've known Jake since around the time CLRB became TNA. He and others were the first ones to vet a lot of the new ladies. They certainly had methods to vet a new lady. I appreciated the risks they took. He'll call out BS no matter if it is a lady or guy. Not always publicly. He never defended the lady IMO.
I never went back to the thread to see the comment about what the Gal could gain. I'm amazed that anyone wouldn't realize extortion. I never considered an open computer would possibly be taping a session. It's something I'll be on the lookout for from now on.White knighting the white knights! LOL.
PoontangChaser
09-17-21, 12:55
White knighting the white knights! LOL.Hahaha nice! True though.
ShootingBlanks
09-17-21, 15:25
Skepticism isn't a bad word its a good word and skepticism don't make a wk a wk has no skepticism he always believes the woman even when faced with the facts.
I'll take Blackmail for 1000 Alex.
Good looking out Cowboy! This is a chilling report. Of course the first White Knight already posted his skeptical response.
PoontangChaser
09-17-21, 20:47
Skepticism isn't a bad word its a good word and skepticism don't make a wk a wk has no skepticism he always believes the woman even when faced with the facts.There are different ways of white knighting and attacking the hobbyist without explicitly taking sides with the provider is white knighting (passive white knighting?)
Jake4 X challenged and cast suspicion on the OP right out of the gate without even enquiring about the details of what transpired. Basically, you're an alt so you're not to be believed and thus the lady must be right.
Yeah, white knight for sure.
There are different ways of white knighting and attacking the hobbyist without explicitly taking sides with the provider is white knighting (passive white knighting?)
Jake4 X challenged and cast suspicion on the OP right out of the gate without even enquiring about the details of what transpired. Basically, you're an alt so you're not to be believed and thus the lady must be right.
Yeah, white knight for sure.So that makes you a hobbyist WK, blindly defending random hobbyists with no questions asked.
The dude wrote he'd been in the hobby since 2014. Profile was created a week before the alert. Jake asked a very valid question of what's his real handle.
As for video recording, there's loads of tricks and small gadgets to detect an active camera, but they're not 100% effective. If you're paranoid, only do outcalls, where you have control of the environment. Otherwise it's a trust issue with the provider.
GrandIllusions
09-18-21, 18:45
So that makes you a hobbyist WK, blindly defending random hobbyists with no questions asked.
The dude wrote he'd been in the hobby since 2014. Profile was created a week before the alert. Jake asked a very valid question of what's his real handle.
As for video recording, there's loads of tricks and small gadgets to detect an active camera, but they're not 100% effective. If you're paranoid, only do outcalls, where you have control of the environment. Otherwise it's a trust issue with the provider.Ya the dude also said he never needed to be part of any forum as well. And he decided to post there to help others from the lady.
This thread is starting to sound like it on the board, maybe we should just send it over to TNA what happened to the girls man.
GrandIllusions
09-18-21, 19:08
So that makes you a hobbyist WK, blindly defending random hobbyists with no questions asked.
The dude wrote he'd been in the hobby since 2014. Profile was created a week before the alert. Jake asked a very valid question of what's his real handle.
As for video recording, there's loads of tricks and small gadgets to detect an active camera, but they're not 100% effective. If you're paranoid, only do outcalls, where you have control of the environment. Otherwise it's a trust issue with the provider.Ya the dude also said he never needed to be part of any forum as well. And he decided to post there to help others from the lady.
This thread is starting to sound like it on the board, maybe we should just send it over to TNA what happened to the girls man.
PoontangChaser
09-19-21, 13:51
So that makes you a hobbyist WK, blindly defending random hobbyists with no questions asked.
The dude wrote he'd been in the hobby since 2014. Profile was created a week before the alert. Jake asked a very valid question of what's his real handle.
As for video recording, there's loads of tricks and small gadgets to detect an active camera, but they're not 100% effective. If you're paranoid, only do outcalls, where you have control of the environment. Otherwise it's a trust issue with the provider.LOLOL I did not defend any hobbyist. OP writes an alert, Jake attacks the guy without considering that despite OP being new, the alert might still be valid. I CONCUR with PriceIsRight's comment about white knighting the white knights. Where's "blindly defending other hobbyists" here?
However, I do appreciate the passion with which YOU, sir, are defending Jake. Bravo! What was the term again? Ah, "hobbyist WK!"
Or is that you, Jake? SMFH.
LOLOL I did not defend any hobbyist. OP writes an alert, Jake attacks the guy without considering that despite OP being new, the alert might still be valid. I CONCUR with PriceIsRight's comment about white knighting the white knights. Where's "blindly defending other hobbyists" here?
You defined what White Knighting is and your actions clearly fall in the line of *your* own definition of White Knighting. Let me copy and paste your quote below.
There are different ways of white knighting and attacking the hobbyist without explicitly taking sides with the provider is white knighting (passive white knighting?)
I am sick of the TNA White Knights defending providers who do terrible sh1 t (which is why that place is so toxic), but I am equally irate at people like you who White Knight hobbyists as if they can do no wrong.
You defined what White Knighting is and your actions clearly fall in the line of *your* own definition of White Knighting. Let me copy and paste your quote below.
I am sick of the TNA White Knights defending providers who do terrible sh1 t (which is why that place is so toxic), but I am equally irate at people like you who White Knight hobbyists as if they can do no wrong.So. Who exactly am I white knighting? And how?
And IDGAF to who / what you're sick of.
You defined what White Knighting is and your actions clearly fall in the line of *your* own definition of White Knighting. Let me copy and paste your quote below.
I am sick of the TNA White Knights defending providers who do terrible sh1 t (which is why that place is so toxic), but I am equally irate at people like you who White Knight hobbyists as if they can do no wrong.There was no white knighting and TNA was about reviews and not just.
Another board for ladies to advertise on? Well it's time for that board to return to it's roots!
PoontangChaser
09-19-21, 23:32
You defined what White Knighting is and your actions clearly fall in the line of *your* own definition of White Knighting. Let me copy and paste your quote below.
I am sick of the TNA White Knights defending providers who do terrible sh1 t (which is why that place is so toxic), but I am equally irate at people like you who White Knight hobbyists as if they can do no wrong.I respectfully disagree with you that I'm engaging in any of that. I have already made my point in my last post and I don't think this is worth spending any more cycles on.
Happy pooning!
PoontangChaser
09-19-21, 23:35
There was no white knighting and TNA was about reviews and not just.
Another board for ladies to advertise on? Well it's time for that board to return to it's roots!Not only that, the reviews used to be HONEST, something you could rely on without thinking twice.
The review format was much better with explicit details of what the provider did and did not.
I miss those days.
PoonHound1969
09-20-21, 00:27
Alts on this and the other site, I need a freaking playbook to keep up.
Why do you pussys hide behind alts?
Just freaking own your shit.
But damn so many pussy posting.
Not only that, the reviews used to be HONEST, something you could rely on without thinking twice.
The review format was much better with explicit details of what the provider did and did not.
I miss those days.And you could search by activities that a provider was willing to engage in. Now you have to sift through profiles to MAYBE figure out what their do's and don'ts are, and providers wonder why hobbyists use STG and other websites instead.
Yes. That is her name.
I can't believe she wanted it in the ass on the first date.
I am still grinning.
Did I realize what?You fucked a dude.
Did you notice that Kayla had a penis?
Nothing wrong with it.
PiercedNTiny
09-22-21, 21:50
You fucked a dude.
Did you notice that Kayla had a penis?
Nothing wrong with it.What?
Which Kayla is this??
What?
Which Kayla is this??Here's your answer.
Wow, who is this Kayla?
Edited to.ad: um buddy. I did a search of Kayla's that were AA in Portland and the only one I came up with is Kayla Bands.
Lol. Did you realize ?
Yes. That is her name.
I can't believe she wanted it in the ass on the first date.
I am still grinning.
Did I realize what?
ShootingBlanks
09-23-21, 19:31
Theres always usasg instead of member berries you could lead here and others might follow just sayin.
Not only that, the reviews used to be HONEST, something you could rely on without thinking twice.
The review format was much better with explicit details of what the provider did and did not.
I miss those days.
You fucked a dude.
Did you notice that Kayla had a penis?
Nothing wrong with it.I am such a dirtyfuk.
I think I better quit drinking.
I did notice something slapping under my balls in doggie. I figure it was her hand or something.
ShootingBlanks
09-24-21, 01:25
Okay serious question yall what would it take to get the hobby where it needs to be and how serious are you guys about fixing it I for one think we need to find a way to get the good players hobbyists and providers both off of tna somehow and at the same time give hobbits the proper tools to do reviews the way they need to be done and exchange information without it biting them in the ass I think the biggest problem is that shitty providers have way too much power on tna and the good ones are not alloud to advertise what they want to advertise whoever is running tna is sailing it up the creek.
GangBangLeader
09-24-21, 19:09
I am such a dirtyfuk.
I think I better quit drinking.
I did notice something slapping under my balls in doggie. I figure it was her hand or something.Probably or something.
& don't quit drinking. Sometimes that is the best way to forget something.
NachoCheese
09-25-21, 04:57
Okay serious question yall what would it take to get the hobby where it needs to be and how serious are you guys about fixing it I for one think we need to find a way to get the good players hobbyists and providers both off of tna somehow and at the same time give hobbits the proper tools to do reviews the way they need to be done and exchange information without it biting them in the ass I think the biggest problem is that shitty providers have way too much power on tna and the good ones are not alloud to advertise what they want to advertise whoever is running tna is sailing it up the creek.VBulletin is a shit-show masquerading as forum software in 2021, much less as an escort review platform. I was going to say present website excluded, but this is now my second time writing this post, as it was unceremoniously deleted just prior to my posting it.
There are basically three things preventing TNA alternatives from showing up:
- Research & Development Costs: While there are sites that have done a good enough job of modernizing a solution for the listing problem, probably the best being tryst. Link, there are still no in-situ solutions for allowing discrete advertisements to be shared between like-minded individuals. While I have discussed this and other problems with providers and came up with some potentially novel solutions, I haven't really experimented with their implementations because of.
- Legal & Ethical Concerns: There have been enough high profile busts of escort listing sites to remind those of us with a better than goldfish-class memory that facilitating prostitution and / or sex-trafficking in the United States is illegal at best. Getting stung for soliciting is nothing compared to the federal charges that Backpage's and MyRedBook's ownership got thrown at them. It's also rather incredible to me that TNA is still online, even with the posting restrictions and well chosen origin server location. Tryst likely stays up since the operators are Australian, presumably operating from prostitution legal areas of Australia with a site hosted in Quebec Canada. Any serious TNA competition would likely need to be developed and operated by non-US citizens or residents and outside of the United States. If the FBI's arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov is anything to go by, those operators would need to avoid passing anywhere near US jurisdictions as well. Cloudflare is no protection either, as they are just one subpoena away from revealing the origin server IP address to any law enforcement agency. Even if we were completely unscrupulous and did manage perfect operational secrecy against one of the leading nation-state cyber-security actors, there's also the fact that.
- TNA Has Critical Mass: Mr. J, the previous operator of TNA, has done a good job of capturing the lion's share of mongers in the Pacific Northwest, specifically around what I can only assume is his home-town of Seattle. The only time I've seen this majority challenged is when the site gets DDoSed, you'll see an influx of providers posting to alternative platforms (lookin' at you, Tryst) and usually only after a day or two of downtime. TNA's user retention is pretty resilient too; Usually the activity comes right back once stability is restored as there really isn't a solid regionally local competing platform that properly handles reviews (see point 1). While a dedicated actor could coordinate a multi-week DDoS attack against TNA's origin server to coincide with a targeted advertisement campaign directed towards all providers using their publicly posted email addresses and phone numbers, that's still doesn't get the eyes of the johns, which you would also need. That's also pretty felonious, and I'd rather deal with one set of federal indictments at a time. Also, if you were successful, and did get big, that would draw attention from point 2 above.
With all of that being said, there are already plenty of review-capable escort sites out there. I won't post them, but finding them was easy by looking through my TDL and googling phone numbers. It's probably point 3 above that's really keeping those from gaining traction in the PNW.
ShootingBlanks
09-25-21, 14:47
That and when you turn 18 you can die for your cuntry but your not old enough to drink a fuckin beer.
VBulletin is a shit-show masquerading as forum software in 2021, much less as an escort review platform. I was going to say present website excluded, but this is now my second time writing this post, as it was unceremoniously deleted just prior to my posting it.
There are basically three things preventing TNA alternatives from showing up:
- Research & Development Costs: While there are sites that have done a good enough job of modernizing a solution for the listing problem, probably the best being tryst. Link, there are still no in-situ solutions for allowing discrete advertisements to be shared between like-minded individuals. While I have discussed this and other problems with providers and came up with some potentially novel solutions, I haven't really experimented with their implementations because of.
- Legal & Ethical Concerns: There have been enough high profile busts of escort listing sites to remind those of us with a better than goldfish-class memory that facilitating prostitution and / or sex-trafficking in the United States is illegal at best. Getting stung for soliciting is nothing compared to the federal charges that Backpage's and MyRedBook's ownership got thrown at them. It's also rather incredible to me that TNA is still online, even with the posting restrictions and well chosen origin server location. Tryst likely stays up since the operators are Australian, presumably operating from prostitution legal areas of Australia with a site hosted in Quebec Canada. Any serious TNA competition would likely need to be developed and operated by non-US citizens or residents and outside of the United States. If the FBI's arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov is anything to go by, those operators would need to avoid passing anywhere near US jurisdictions as well. Cloudflare is no protection either, as they are just one subpoena away from revealing the origin server IP address to any law enforcement agency. Even if we were completely unscrupulous and did manage perfect operational secrecy against one of the leading nation-state cyber-security actors, there's also the fact that.
- TNA Has Critical Mass: Mr. J, the previous operator of TNA, has done a good job of capturing the lion's share of mongers in the Pacific Northwest, specifically around what I can only assume is his home-town of Seattle. The only time I've seen this majority challenged is when the site gets DDoSed, you'll see an influx of providers posting to alternative platforms (lookin' at you, Tryst) and usually only after a day or two of downtime. TNA's user retention is pretty resilient too; Usually the activity comes right back once stability is restored as there really isn't a solid regionally local competing platform that properly handles reviews (see point 1). While a dedicated actor could coordinate a multi-week DDoS attack against TNA's origin server to coincide with a targeted advertisement campaign directed towards all providers using their publicly posted email addresses and phone numbers, that's still doesn't get the eyes of the johns, which you would also need. That's also pretty felonious, and I'd rather deal with one set of federal indictments at a time. Also, if you were successful, and did get big, that would draw attention from point 2 above.
With all of that being said, there are already plenty of review-capable escort sites out there. I won't post them, but finding them was easy by looking through my TDL and googling phone numbers. It's probably point 3 above that's really keeping those from gaining traction in the PNW.
That and when you turn 18 you can die for your cuntry but your not old enough to drink a fuckin beer.Yep. Relevant clip:
Jim Jefferies - Freedumb - Full Length Official Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyKVAjISmI
ShootingBlanks
09-25-21, 16:47
I can confirm freedom does make me cum in my pants.
Yep. Relevant clip:
Jim Jefferies - Freedumb - Full Length Official Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyKVAjISmI
Okay serious question yall what would it take to get the hobby where it needs to be and how serious are you guys about fixing it I for one think we need to find a way to get the good players hobbyists and providers both off of tna somehow and at the same time give hobbits the proper tools to do reviews the way they need to be done and exchange information without it biting them in the ass I think the biggest problem is that shitty providers have way too much power on tna and the good ones are not alloud to advertise what they want to advertise whoever is running tna is sailing it up the creek.What features are you looking for in a platform? I'm desperately busy but may be able to throw together a quick implementation so you could test out whether the features you're looking for are actually beneficial to the hobby.
I'm not a UI guy though so it may not be very pretty.
ShootingBlanks
09-27-21, 23:45
Resonable rates high quantity + high quality girls honest reports and honest menus all things that a computer can't promise seriously tho the problem isn't tna itself its the people that run it and even some of the community members that seem to think the world revolves around them I think the solution is to move away from forums and use a peer to peer app that no doubt would be quickly pulled from google play and apple store lmao I still can't believe it wasnt p2 p from the beginning smh my biggest question is how to get people off tna we are probably stuck with it exactly because of what NachoCheese said.
What features are you looking for in a platform? I'm desperately busy but may be able to throw together a quick implementation so you could test out whether the features you're looking for are actually beneficial to the hobby.
I'm not a UI guy though so it may not be very pretty.
WarpFactor69
09-28-21, 00:05
Resonable rates high quantity + high quality girls honest reports and honest menus all things that a computer can't promise seriously tho the problem isn't tna itself its the people that run it and even some of the community members that seem to think the world revolves around them I think the solution is to move away from forums and use a peer to peer app that no doubt would be quickly pulled from google play and apple store lmao I still can't believe it wasnt p2 p from the beginning smh my biggest question is how to get people off tna we are probably stuck with it exactly because of what NachoCheese said.It's unfortunate that more good people do not speak up. TNA could be salvaged if more good people did.
ShootingBlanks
09-28-21, 01:34
Tna is beyond saving at this point we just have to live with it but of course I like my solution the best of course I do and I think it should be reserved to mongers only reviews should be our domain only they should be completely candid and criticism should be welcome with plausible deniability the girl should be able to validate the mongers claims of services rendered if she wants like validating parking lmao in this way the monger does the advertising for her I'm not so sure that's the right way tho solving the BBFS puzzle is a tough one but I do think some girls wnat to be candid about their menu they just dont want to be shamed or cut off from the herd.
It's unfortunate that more good people do not speak up. TNA could be salvaged if more good people did.
Resonable rates high quantity + high quality girls honest reports and honest menus all things that a computer can't promise seriously tho the problem isn't tna itself its the people that run it and even some of the community members that seem to think the world revolves around them I think the solution is to move away from forums and use a peer to peer app that no doubt would be quickly pulled from google play and apple store lmao I still can't believe it wasnt p2 p from the beginning smh my biggest question is how to get people off tna we are probably stuck with it exactly because of what NachoCheese said.Yeah, an official app would probably be pulled quickly, but there's no reason one couldn't make a similar front-end design on a mobile site. The only down side to that is less access to the native OS and features. Could always side load the apk for android so the play store can't stop you. Not sure what the side load process for iPhone is.
And a website could conceivably do some type of peer to peer thing. It's a bit of a question as to whether you want P2P for resistance to takedowns or just a less centralized control / moderation.
I'll give it some thought. Rates are a hard thing to influence as a platform, but maybe we could make an analytics dashboard for providers where they can record their earnings per session, time worked, etc. And project income based on specific rate levels. If they make more at lower price points that are backed up by data, it may influence prices. It's a double-edged sword though as they may find out they make more by charging more!
Tna is beyond saving at this point we just have to live with it but of course I like my solution the best of course I do and I think it should be reserved to mongers only reviews should be our domain only they should be completely candid and criticism should be welcome with plausible deniability the girl should be able to validate the mongers claims of services rendered if she wants like validating parking lmao in this way the monger does the advertising for her I'm not so sure that's the right way tho solving the BBFS puzzle is a tough one but I do think some girls wnat to be candid about their menu they just dont want to be shamed or cut off from the herd.The issue with any conversation about 'what's wrong with TNA' is that everything is wrong with TNA.
TNA was never great, but it WAS good. At one point, providers listed, people met up, fun was had, and that was the bulk of the board activity. That's not to say there weren't idiots (waddup RP Chartier) trying in earnest to run game all over the board, but it was pretty clear who they were. Some hobbyists were fools, some providers were rude / terrible, and it became known quickly. Much like USA, staying abreast of the conversations told you everything you need to know.
At one point, providers got the idea they were ALL worth a premium because SOME were worth a premium. They seem to view it as 'if you want to get laid, you owe a girl $x' while completely ignoring everything else about the hobby. It's like saying a Camry should cost the same as a Land Rover because they both get you from point A to B.
Mods are also a problem. The mods / ownership are HIGHLY protective of providers, who pay their bills. Some think that means a provider is at least a part-owner (waddup SaraFoxxx) and has influence. Maybe that's the case, I don't know. What I DO know is the mods / ownership now curate and censor what doesn't reflect well on the site while protecting those who pay the bills. There have been alerts of women doing VERY shady things, but still being allowed to post ads. Meanwhile, some guy whispers anything about BBFS and they get banned for life. You tell ME who TNA is for.
Unfortunately, the only real option IMO is to separate the posts and reviews from the board itself. That's why USASG should add a review section and maybe add better search functionality. Moreover, providers should be prohibited from commenting or posting here. That's not me being shitty about providers sharing this board, it's a measure to prevent white-knights and generous reviews from jading any board. I am also open to TNA prohibiting hobbyists from posting or commenting, and the alerts section being for providers who need / want to alert other providers about hobbyists much as we would write alerts and reviews here on USASG about providers. The back-and-forth-he-said-she-said and sycophantic behavior only make things worse; it can keep some honest, but by and large it's just discourse that goes nowhere.
ShootingBlanks
09-28-21, 14:52
Exactly its not for us we need a monger-only way of sharing reviews as you say at the end of your post it wouldn't be perfect but it would be a huge improvement there would still be wk and simp cucks and rates are going to stay high until hb 3088 or similar bill passes but when that day comes the price will drop like a rock because every woman on earth is a pro waiting to happen supply and demand LOL however once people get used to something they get set in their ways tho that's why I say I think we are stuck with tna.
The issue with any conversation about 'what's wrong with TNA' is that everything is wrong with TNA.
TNA was never great, but it WAS good. At one point, providers listed, people met up, fun was had, and that was the bulk of the board activity. That's not to say there weren't idiots (waddup RP Chartier) trying in earnest to run game all over the board, but it was pretty clear who they were. Some hobbyists were fools, some providers were rude / terrible, and it became known quickly. Much like USA, staying abreast of the conversations told you everything you need to know.
At one point, providers got the idea they were ALL worth a premium because SOME were worth a premium. They seem to view it as 'if you want to get laid, you owe a girl $x' while completely ignoring everything else about the hobby. It's like saying a Camry should cost the same as a Land Rover because they both get you from point A to B.
Mods are also a problem. The mods / ownership are HIGHLY protective of providers, who pay their bills. Some think that means a provider is at least a part-owner (waddup SaraFoxxx) and has influence. Maybe that's the case, I don't know. What I DO know is the mods / ownership now curate and censor what doesn't reflect well on the site while protecting those who pay the bills. There have been alerts of women doing VERY shady things, but still being allowed to post ads. Meanwhile, some guy whispers anything about BBFS and they get banned for life. You tell ME who TNA is for.
Unfortunately, the only real option IMO is to separate the posts and reviews from the board itself. That's why USASG should add a review section and maybe add better search functionality. Moreover, providers should be prohibited from commenting or posting here. That's not me being shitty about providers sharing this board, it's a measure to prevent white-knights and generous reviews from jading any board. I am also open to TNA prohibiting hobbyists from posting or commenting, and the alerts section being for providers who need / want to alert other providers about hobbyists much as we would write alerts and reviews here on USASG about providers. The back-and-forth-he-said-she-said and sycophantic behavior only make things worse; it can keep some honest, but by and large it's just discourse that goes nowhere.
The issue with any conversation about 'what's wrong with TNA' is that everything is wrong with TNA.
TNA was never great, but it WAS good. At one point, providers listed, people met up, fun was had, and that was the bulk of the board activity. That's not to say there weren't idiots (waddup RP Chartier) trying in earnest to run game all over the board, but it was pretty clear who they were. Some hobbyists were fools, some providers were rude / terrible, and it became known quickly. Much like USA, staying abreast of the conversations told you everything you need to know.
At one point, providers got the idea they were ALL worth a premium because SOME were worth a premium. They seem to view it as 'if you want to get laid, you owe a girl $x' while completely ignoring everything else about the hobby. It's like saying a Camry should cost the same as a Land Rover because they both get you from point A to B.
Mods are also a problem. The mods / ownership are HIGHLY protective of providers, who pay their bills. Some think that means a provider is at least a part-owner (waddup SaraFoxxx) and has influence. Maybe that's the case, I don't know. What I DO know is the mods / ownership now curate and censor what doesn't reflect well on the site while protecting those who pay the bills. There have been alerts of women doing VERY shady things, but still being allowed to post ads. Meanwhile, some guy whispers anything about BBFS and they get banned for life. You tell ME who TNA is for.
Unfortunately, the only real option IMO is to separate the posts and reviews from the board itself. That's why USASG should add a review section and maybe add better search functionality. Moreover, providers should be prohibited from commenting or posting here. That's not me being shitty about providers sharing this board, it's a measure to prevent white-knights and generous reviews from jading any board. I am also open to TNA prohibiting hobbyists from posting or commenting, and the alerts section being for providers who need / want to alert other providers about hobbyists much as we would write alerts and reviews here on USASG about providers. The back-and-forth-he-said-she-said and sycophantic behavior only make things worse; it can keep some honest, but by and large it's just discourse that goes nowhere.I haven't spent much (any) time on TNA, but the site philosophy and operation sounds a lot like the old hooker site called "Indys. " They catered to the Philly area. It was magical land, completely provider-centric, no bad reviews were allowed to exist, and white knights combed the site looking for hooker lasses to defend. The site admin as much as admitted it was all about the providers.
Anyway, they're gone now. Good.
ShootingBlanks
09-28-21, 14:57
Its not quite there but its getting there there is a lot of selection on tna that keeps it alive as NachoCheese said point 3.
I haven't spent much (any) time on TNA, but the site philosophy and operation sounds a lot like the old hooker site called "Indys. " They catered to the Philly area. It was magical land, completely provider-centric, no bad reviews were allowed to exist, and white knights combed the site looking for hooker lasses to defend. The site admin as much as admitted it was all about the providers.
Anyway, they're gone now. Good.
ShootingBlanks
09-28-21, 17:17
The problem with web servers is that there is a single point of contention and failure that's the reason why there is a cartel having a website frontend with a p2 p backend defeats hte purpose instead we have a distributed database shared over p2 p every monger should have a complete copy of the database on their phone this would address point 2 that NachoCheese the key is ethereum blockchain brothers side loading the apk is exactly how it would need to be distributed but are you going to talk a provider into using fdroid I didn't think so lmfao so that's another reason to make it monger only rates are only going to change as the market dictates that's just how economics works we ahve no control over that unfortuantely but if the app were able to do statistics to give providers an idea of what is fair then maybe we might have some ammo if we are dealing with a reasonable provider but the last time I tried to tell a girl I could get it cheaper she said go see someone else than lmao I am reluctant to give girls access to this app because inevitably the wk and soibois follow we could also use pgp signatures like protonmail does to verify mongers yes I have thought a lot about this my problem is all my free time is taken up banging hos lmao.
Yeah, an official app would probably be pulled quickly, but there's no reason one couldn't make a similar front-end design on a mobile site. The only down side to that is less access to the native OS and features. Could always side load the apk for android so the play store can't stop you. Not sure what the side load process for iPhone is.
And a website could conceivably do some type of peer to peer thing. It's a bit of a question as to whether you want P2P for resistance to takedowns or just a less centralized control / moderation.
I'll give it some thought. Rates are a hard thing to influence as a platform, but maybe we could make an analytics dashboard for providers where they can record their earnings per session, time worked, etc. And project income based on specific rate levels. If they make more at lower price points that are backed up by data, it may influence prices. It's a double-edged sword though as they may find out they make more by charging more!
NachoCheese
09-28-21, 22:24
What features are you looking for in a platform? I'm desperately busy but may be able to throw together a quick implementation so you could test out whether the features you're looking for are actually beneficial to the hobby.
I'm not a UI guy though so it may not be very pretty.One of the major features I had planned out was web-of-trust constrained visibility on activity tags that could be applied to reviews. Simplified example: Say that a hobbiest and provider met up and did a few specific things. After both the hobbiest and provider confirm that those things happened on review by applying activity tags to that review, the hobbiest could see tags of other providers who share hobbiests with providers they have already seen. It's nice since it keeps the information discreet: people can't see what's going on unless they're already confirmed as participating in it, and it's only visible to those who are also confirmed as participating in it. It has its downsides as well. That's a lot of information concentrated in a very small place.
Another feature I had in mind was significantly more advanced search functionality. Imagine being able to search for "redheads under 25 Portland incall two weeks."
That's just two ideas of a dozen brainstormed.
NachoCheese
09-28-21, 22:37
Tna is beyond saving at this point we just have to live with it but of course I like my solution the best of course I do and I think it should be reserved to mongers only reviews should be our domain only they should be completely candid and criticism should be welcome with plausible deniability the girl should be able to validate the mongers claims of services rendered if she wants like validating parking lmao in this way the monger does the advertising for her I'm not so sure that's the right way tho solving the BBFS puzzle is a tough one but I do think some girls wnat to be candid about their menu they just dont want to be shamed or cut off from the herd.Another feature I had planned was allowing providers to review hobbiests. That may seem like a bad thing, but look at things from her perspective: she's going to be a lot more comfortable knowing the guy who's about to fuck her isn't a complete psychopath. As I've mentioned in my previous posts, comfort opens doors.
ShootingBlanks
09-30-21, 04:53
With all due respect what you propose is a solution in search of a problem where's the problem with the way providers have it now how do you explain the hundreds if not thousands of providers already happily offering their servcies using the tools they already have on tna so they must already be comfortable in doing so right now otherwise they would not.
Like chris rock said men and women both lie but women tell the biggest lies it wouldn't be used honestly it would be used to absolutely blockade anyone without flawless genetics so I would be the only one getting any action and every other monger would starve MORE comfort would open doors for THEM but not US MORE comfort would turn the 80-20 rule into the 99-1 rule.
I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg it will lead to all sorts of other side effects drama and bullshit.
If our roses are to hold value the app should be mongers ONLY trying to be fair can only devalue our roses because women don't give a shit about fair. Women only want to fuck the top 0. 000001% the rest can piss into the wind why help them with that LOL.
Another feature I had planned was allowing providers to review hobbiests. That may seem like a bad thing, but look at things from her perspective: she's going to be a lot more comfortable knowing the guy who's about to fuck her isn't a complete psychopath. As I've mentioned in my previous posts, comfort opens doors.
ShootingBlanks
09-30-21, 05:56
This however is a very good idea you also got to remember the less work they have to do the better they will feel about participating this could be dressed up as "reviewing" the hobbit actually rather than writing some essay about the encounter they just check off a few boxes confirming his claims.
I personally think that in general if women want to comment about dudes to other women they already have their own ways of doing so and it usually just invlolves their closest girlfriends I have yet to meet a provider that has more then mabey 1 or 2 provider friends on tna.
One of the major features I had planned out was web-of-trust constrained visibility on activity tags that could be applied to reviews. Simplified example: Say that a hobbiest and provider met up and did a few specific things. After both the hobbiest and provider confirm that those things happened on review by applying activity tags to that review, the hobbiest could see tags of other providers who share hobbiests with providers they have already seen. It's nice since it keeps the information discreet: people can't see what's going on unless they're already confirmed as participating in it, and it's only visible to those who are also confirmed as participating in it. It has its downsides as well. That's a lot of information concentrated in a very small place.
Another feature I had in mind was significantly more advanced search functionality. Imagine being able to search for "redheads under 25 Portland incall two weeks."
That's just two ideas of a dozen brainstormed.
This however is a very good idea you also got to remember the less work they have to do the better they will feel about participating this could be dressed up as "reviewing" the hobbit actually rather than writing some essay about the encounter they just check off a few boxes confirming his claims.
I personally think that in general if women want to comment about dudes to other women they already have their own ways of doing so and it usually just invlolves their closest girlfriends I have yet to meet a provider that has more then mabey 1 or 2 provider friends on tna.I've always kinda thought many tna providers have their own back channel way of knowing some about us. On many occasions when reaching out to or meeting a provider I've never seen before she already knows I'm good. I've even been told more than once that they were wondering when I'd finally contact them. I never really bother with giving references so I do think they kind of put it out there who's good and who's not.
ORTailBlazer
09-30-21, 14:33
This however is a very good idea you also got to remember the less work they have to do the better they will feel about participating this could be dressed up as "reviewing" the hobbit actually rather than writing some essay about the encounter they just check off a few boxes confirming his claims.
I personally think that in general if women want to comment about dudes to other women they already have their own ways of doing so and it usually just invlolves their closest girlfriends I have yet to meet a provider that has more then mabey 1 or 2 provider friends on tna.There is a closed tna group providers only. Most likely that is it.
ShootingBlanks
09-30-21, 15:46
That settles it they have theirs we need a mongers only group case closed I'm not one to buy into conspiracies I think the simplest most likely thing is that women are born prostitutes by nature and they love their job lmao most of the girls I've been with on the board strike me as sex addicts thats why they "know we're good" I have the same experience as Jumbotron usually even the girls that look like gold diggers really arent they absolutely worship dick but its still a job call it a hobby all you want but it is after all a job to them lets face it hookers are pretty rad usually about the only downside is they are addicting af lmfao.
There is a closed tna group providers only. Most likely that is it.
ORTailBlazer
10-01-21, 14:54
That settles it they have theirs we need a mongers only group case closed I'm not one to buy into conspiracies I think the simplest most likely thing is that women are born prostitutes by nature and they love their job lmao most of the girls I've been with on the board strike me as sex addicts thats why they "know we're good" I have the same experience as Jumbotron usually even the girls that look like gold diggers really arent they absolutely worship dick but its still a job call it a hobby all you want but it is after all a job to them lets face it hookers are pretty rad usually about the only downside is they are addicting af lmfao.I do not agree with all of this LOL but one thing I do is that mongers need a private group. I think the rates are out of hand, everything is an upsell and the pics are almost always outdated.
I enjoy ladies who are legit and real and who understand that we are giving them donations so yes we should have a clear understanding going into the date. I have a few where the rates are good they have an openmind.
Now it seems our money and their feelings mean more than our time and feelings. Us hobbits do have feelings too. I know who knew right?
I would like a simple private site where we can do reviews. Knowing what is on the menu YMMV of course but then whether pics are outdated and so on.
There are so many great providers out there but they seem to be getting shunned for having reasonable rates and a more open menu. We should gear our revenue to those great providers. They deserve it.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2236290-Since-when-did-it-become-normal-to%85
Check out this thread by Daisy. She's a very refreshing voice. The funny thing is all the idiot white knights falling all over themselves to defend cancellation fees and alert extortion by toxic entitled providers.
BTW I'd like to nominate Bigbooblover83 for White Knight of the year.This thread is puke-worthy. The OP want's to frame his WK approach as just careing and sharing.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2250381-Cry-baby-hobbyist
ShootingBlanks
10-03-21, 16:54
He love all the big boobs but do the big boobs love him lmao.
This thread is puke-worthy. The OP want's to frame his WK approach as just careing and sharing.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2250381-Cry-baby-hobbyist
RockyRococo
10-03-21, 18:37
He love all the big boobs but do the big boobs love him lmao.The usual suspect providers all said gushy things about him. Does that mean they'll give him a discount?!
Or is that how he'll get to do them bare?
Each and everyone of them, no matter how many times you've seen her, will rip you off if you give them the opportunity. The women in this profession are master manipulators, many of them have serious psychological issues, and are narcissistic. This is the reason why I treat these relationships as a transaction. I don't get emotionally involved because once you are, they will see the opportunity and pounce. I've been doing this for 15 years. You can see this play out now on TNA with these ridiculous posts. TNA used to be a good place because it was pretty successful at keeping both hobbyists and providers in check, now the balance of power has completely shifted to providers, and that is why the page has become so toxic. Ruby was on that one post saying that this board is responsible for killing providers and forcing them into drug addiction. This is what happens when you allow manipulative, narcissistic individuals to have zero self responsibility. Which is why more and more providers are charging deposits and then keeping them unethically. They do it because they can and the board allows the behavior. White knights are just guys who truly believe that these women have an ounce of ethics and they like women, and all men are hard wired to protect women.
I've had regulars like everyone else. It never has worked to my advantage. Usually what happens is she starts asking for more money, feels she can cancel whenever she wants, and / or starts bringing you into her personal insanity of her life. Many times, in my experience, she will end up stealing from you. These are not good people. If you want to meet a good woman who could be a life partner, have friends introduce one to you, meet one at a party, shit, meet one in a bar. I'm not saying anyone here thinks they can meet their future wife in this hobby, but some of you tend to think that you can have a relationship with them. You can't. You are nothing to them.
This thread is puke-worthy. The OP want's to frame his WK approach as just careing and sharing.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2250381-Cry-baby-hobbyistComplaining about crybabies by being a crybaby. What a cuck. Most of these hookers would rob him blind given an opportunity. He one that thinks he is on an actual "date" and tries to get the hooker to like him. At a minimum he overpays for pussy.
ShootingBlanks
10-05-21, 02:34
If I were a provider the whining of a post pubecent man would def make me moist I would spread my legs for him and only him.
The usual suspect providers all said gushy things about him. Does that mean they'll give him a discount?!
Or is that how he'll get to do them bare?
ShootingBlanks
10-05-21, 05:08
Bangin hoors is like shootin craps 1 budget yourself 2 limit yourself 3 drinks are never free 4 the house always wins 5 play for fun not to win 6 don't stick your dick in crazy lucky7 elvis is dead.
ORTailBlazer
10-08-21, 14:24
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2251688-Cumming-more-than-once
I saw this and the many different responses. I always thought rate was for time not pops? Seems some are popping and out in 20 min of an hr session because msog is not on the menu or extra.
I mean I only see providers that offer msog no upsell. Seems it is getting tough to find and one has to ask before a set up.
Bobby ShafToe
10-08-21, 16:40
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2251688-Cumming-more-than-once
I saw this and the many different responses. I always thought rate was for time not pops? Seems some are popping and out in 20 min of an hr session because msog is not on the menu or extra.
I mean I only see providers that offer msog no upsell. Seems it is getting tough to find and one has to ask before a set up.I only book HH dates. I don't need longer than that to nut, and most providers don't offer msog any more, so fuck 'em. Why should I book an hour if they aren't going to work an hour.
DuhkGeorge
10-08-21, 17:12
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2251688-Cumming-more-than-once
I saw this and the many different responses. I always thought rate was for time not pops? Seems some are popping and out in 20 min of an hr session because msog is not on the menu or extra.
I mean I only see providers that offer msog no upsell. Seems it is getting tough to find and one has to ask before a set up.This exists everywhere. My stance is that I want the option and I don't want someone that won't do it. Part of the reason is that some people quit after thirty minutes. If msog is on the menu, then I have a better chance of finishing because it's someone who can finish the hour. . I actually rarely make use of msog, but if I paid for the time, I want to fill the time until I'm ready to go, with something pleasant. Having someone rush you out the door isn't cool.
Mostly, I just prefer people be upfront so we can all make sound decisions and know what to expect.
Sancho1999
10-10-21, 14:54
I only book HH dates. I don't need longer than that to nut, and most providers don't offer msog any more, so fuck 'em. Why should I book an hour if they aren't going to work an hour.Recently I realized the same thing. Wish I had done this earlier. HH is good 4 me, plus I can either see another provider or have some extra pocket change.
The funny thing is normally I never carry cash but lately I walk around with a little extra and the old lady is tripping so I got to keep it on the DL. Live and Learn!
ORTailBlazer
10-10-21, 19:43
I only book HH dates. I don't need longer than that to nut, and most providers don't offer msog any more, so fuck 'em. Why should I book an hour if they aren't going to work an hour.Yup now more than ever. I have two providers small bbws but are up for pretty much whatever. I got shorted by 20 minutes on an hr session. She was sexy but that seems to allow these providers to short you on time. She did allow msog but the 10 minute announcement ruined it. I am very much limiting myself in this hobby now. I am not getting completely ripped off but if a provider says ok to greek. She should not change after I arrive. Just like if I pay for the damned hour I would prefer not to get shorted. Between AMPs and these providers the hobby is kind of ruined in that regard. So many cucks pricing out too just not worth it. I was out two months before trying a recent provider and when I noticed my time was shorted I just shook my head.
ORTailBlazer
10-11-21, 17:55
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2254542-Marjor-time-waste-and-more
This is the problem right here. Read one well known provider's response to this. A guy answers the damned phone after a date is set up and she acts like it is no big deal. It is perhaps a boyfriend. LOL this provider has so many questionable responses that I am surprised she does so well. In the previous discussion about cumming more than once. She commented saying it was too much effort! No joke go look that up. More providers with this attitude is what has ruined the hobby.
If I set up a date, I drive there and she is saying give her more time AFTER she agreed to said time? Ya hobbyists get an alert on them for that. Then time goes by and the hobbyist continues to wait so he calls because she has not said anything since he arrived. A guy answers the fucking phone and says "soon"? What in the hell. I almost blew up that alert but decided not to risk my rep on a crazy provider who thinks it is professional and ok for a guy to answer a provider's phone while a client is calling after being left for 10-20 minutes. Fuck rant over!
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2254542-Marjor-time-waste-and-more
This is the problem right here. Read one well known provider's response to this. A guy answers the damned phone after a date is set up and she acts like it is no big deal. It is perhaps a boyfriend. LOL this provider has so many questionable responses that I am surprised she does so well. In the previous discussion about cumming more than once. She commented saying it was too much effort! No joke go look that up. More providers with this attitude is what has ruined the hobby.
If I set up a date, I drive there and she is saying give her more time AFTER she agreed to said time? Ya hobbyists get an alert on them for that. Then time goes by and the hobbyist continues to wait so he calls because she has not said anything since he arrived. A guy answers the fucking phone and says "soon"? What in the hell. I almost blew up that alert but decided not to risk my rep on a crazy provider who thinks it is professional and ok for a guy to answer a provider's phone while a client is calling after being left for 10-20 minutes. Fuck rant over!Oh yeah. Fuck that chick in PARTICULAR. She wants to act like the Old Hooker in the Mountain. Clearly she has enough regulars that are willing to put up with her "enlightened" bullshit. She'll be aged out and still at it in 10 years. When guys won't be willing to wait on her.
Is that other board down?
Is that other board down?Looks like another DDOS attack on that site. Just getting 503 errors when trying to access.
Is that other board down?503 error.
Bobby ShafToe
10-12-21, 23:10
Oh yeah. Fuck that chick in PARTICULAR. She wants to act like the Old Hooker in the Mountain. Clearly she has enough regulars that are willing to put up with her "enlightened" bullshit. She'll be aged out and still at it in 10 years. When guys won't be willing to wait on her.I met her years ago. I don't remember much. Not terribly memorable. Not at all surprised she has evolved into one of the GPS queens of TNA.
I met her years ago. I don't remember much. Not terribly memorable. Not at all surprised she has evolved into one of the GPS queens of TNA.She wants $600/ hr to fuck her. Pass.
She wants $600/ hr to fuck her. Pass.I can get the same thing she offers for free anytime. Nag nag nag bish.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2259684-Deposit-Ripoff
Yet another rip off of a poor soul because he paid a deposit. The girl is an established provider. Let's stop normalizing deposits!
CreamPieSeeker
10-22-21, 14:29
600/ hour? I know inflation is more than people expected but WTF.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2261106-Pre-Booking-Now-Open-11-14-16th-Clara-Returns-Cure-for-the-Common-Day
Bobby ShafToe
10-22-21, 15:42
600/ hour? I know inflation is more than people expected but WTF.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2261106-Pre-Booking-Now-Open-11-14-16th-Clara-Returns-Cure-for-the-Common-DayShe's charging $50 to tell a guy what her sessions include. Haha. Wow. That's fucking nuts. No wonder the pussy mafia has neutered reviews. They now want to charge to tell you what should be discoverable in reviews. Fucking nuts.
ShootingBlanks
10-22-21, 19:28
And I thought 6 would be the way to land on my do not see this fat ugly dipshit is now in my does not exist pile consult the hand.
She's charging $50 to tell a guy what her sessions include. Haha. Wow. That's fucking nuts. No wonder the pussy mafia has neutered reviews. They now want to charge to tell you what should be discoverable in reviews. Fucking nuts.
And I thought 6 would be the way to land on my do not see this fat ugly dipshit is now in my does not exist pile consult the hand.Although I find her rather hot, no way I'd pony up $600.00 for an hour with her. But I suppose there are some that will. However, her appearance in real life isn't likely as nice as her ad photos.
Although I find her rather hot, no way I'd pony up $600.00 for an hour with her. But I suppose there are some that will. However, her appearance in real life isn't likely as nice as her ad photos.I have seen her in person before, not worth it. Short, ugly and wears glasses. A lot of make up and filter.
PriceIsRight39
10-23-21, 13:39
600/ hour? I know inflation is more than people expected but WTF.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2261106-Pre-Booking-Now-Open-11-14-16th-Clara-Returns-Cure-for-the-Common-DayThey call it Porkland for a reason! LOL.
PriceIsRight39
10-23-21, 13:47
I met her years ago. I don't remember much. Not terribly memorable. Not at all surprised she has evolved into one of the GPS queens of TNA.Thanks for that! I'd always imagine she was top notch. The " reviewers" are all mushy over her. The board is 95% worthless on reviews. I spotted her at the market one day years ago when she was a bodybuilder. Nice looking if you're into muscles on a lady.
Anyway, you fellas saved me some serious dough.
PriceIsRight39
10-23-21, 13:50
I have seen her in person before, not worth it. Short, ugly and wears glasses. A lot of make up and filter.Sounds like 70% of providers these days unfortunately.
ShootingBlanks
10-23-21, 22:09
Gps makes these dipshits particularly ugly and fat.
Although I find her rather hot, no way I'd pony up $600.00 for an hour with her. But I suppose there are some that will. However, her appearance in real life isn't likely as nice as her ad photos.
I have lived in Portland for almost a year. It is the worst town for hobbying. This is mainly my experience from the board website. Most providers are obese, extreme safety, old, methed out, or have extreme GPS. Most do not have an incall or have a rat motel incall on 82nd. Where are the reasonably priced pretty provider with a nice private incall. I'm not in to the traveling girls in hotels. I just want a friendly neighborhood provider that understands that good service with a good price will keep me coming back.
TruckerBob
10-31-21, 23:54
I have lived in Portland for almost a year. It is the worst town for hobbying. This is mainly my experience from the board website. Most providers are obese, extreme safety, old, methed out, or have extreme GPS. Most do not have an incall or have a rat motel incall on 82nd. Where are the reasonably priced pretty provider with a nice private incall. I'm not in to the traveling girls in hotels. I just want a friendly neighborhood provider that understands that good service with a good price will keep me coming back.The majority of the providers in Portland charge by the pound and fat rolls. Bring your own flour.
I have lived in Portland for almost a year. It is the worst town for hobbying. This is mainly my experience from the board website. Most providers are obese, extreme safety, old, methed out, or have extreme GPS. Most do not have an incall or have a rat motel incall on 82nd. Where are the reasonably priced pretty provider with a nice private incall. I'm not in to the traveling girls in hotels. I just want a friendly neighborhood provider that understands that good service with a good price will keep me coming back.I suspect the reasonable pretty providers are utr and don't need to run ads very often if at all. And if you've found one, and I've found a couple, you're not going to advertise it here. Sorry not sorry I see what happens with AMPs. I think we all have one or two we're keeping to ourselves. Probably the same ones!
Where are the reasonably priced pretty provider with a nice private incall.Those providers exist only in the year 2014.
CreamPieSeeker
11-01-21, 15:56
I first visited portland in 2010 or 2011. Forgot how we found them but friend and I visited an apartment near Lloyd area. There were 3 women working and all decently cute, under 30, not scary in any respect. I forgot cost but I don't recall it being crazy and service was really good.
We're these setups common then? And WTF happened.
Those providers exist only in the year 2014.
I suspect the reasonable pretty providers are utr and don't need to run ads very often if at all. And if you've found one, and I've found a couple, you're not going to advertise it here. Sorry not sorry I see what happens with AMPs. I think we all have one or two we're keeping to ourselves. Probably the same ones!I don't blame you there are weird hobbyist out there that ruin it for others.
Drex Diggler2
11-02-21, 05:22
I don't blame you there are weird hobbyist out there that ruin it for others.100% agree. I mainly do AMPs and only share with those I have chatted with. A few spots are non-erotic per rubmaps, but I have had some great times at these spots.
I'm basically semi-retired from the hobby. I last saw someone in May and quickly realized why I had dramatically cut back. Out of curiosity, today I took a look at STG and TNA and are both wastelands. It would suck to just enter the hobby given the lack of lookers and the crazy prices. If I need a (rare) fix these days, I hit a AMP where the service is far more consistent and the prices are at least generally reasonable. Escorts have always been a crap shoot even in the best of times (part of the appeal). Now, it's a wrap and, surprisingly, I'm not mad about it. It's the new guys that are missing out. Even if I had a regular that I was seeing, that's no guarantee for someone else because of chemistry.
Now thinking about it, I am retired from escorts. I can't think of a single reason I would have for seeing another one. The risk / reward balance just isn't there anymore.
I'm basically semi-retired from the hobby. I last saw someone in May and quickly realized why I had dramatically cut back. Out of curiosity, today I took a look at STG and TNA and are both wastelands. It would suck to just enter the hobby given the lack of lookers and the crazy prices. If I need a (rare) fix these days, I hit a AMP where the service is far more consistent and the prices are at least generally reasonable. Escorts have always been a crap shoot even in the best of times (part of the appeal). Now, it's a wrap and, surprisingly, I'm not mad about it. It's the new guys that are missing out. Even if I had a regular that I was seeing, that's no guarantee for someone else because of chemistry.
Now thinking about it, I am retired from escorts. I can't think of a single reason I would have for seeing another one. The risk / reward balance just isn't there anymore.In the immortal words of Bubba "I feel your pain". Years ago tna was kinda fun. There were actually some classy ladies around and reviews were even useful for the most part. Unfortunately that changed and the beginning of the end was the Craigslist migration with all the skank and blubber it brought to the board. Now days even the alerts are lame.
Thankfully I've been lucky enough to collect a half dz regulars over the years most of which don't even advertise there any more. The last time I tried someone new off tna was last year and sure enough when I opened the door I was hit straight in the balls with false and deceptive advertising. Like a soldier I powered through it, paid the fine, kick her out, and scrubbed my dick with an sos pad and bleach.
It's just not worth the hit and miss these days with that site.
I'm basically semi-retired from the hobby. I last saw someone in May and quickly realized why I had dramatically cut back. Out of curiosity, today I took a look at STG and TNA and are both wastelands. It would suck to just enter the hobby given the lack of lookers and the crazy prices. If I need a (rare) fix these days, I hit a AMP where the service is far more consistent and the prices are at least generally reasonable. Escorts have always been a crap shoot even in the best of times (part of the appeal). Now, it's a wrap and, surprisingly, I'm not mad about it. It's the new guys that are missing out. Even if I had a regular that I was seeing, that's no guarantee for someone else because of chemistry.
Now thinking about it, I am retired from escorts. I can't think of a single reason I would have for seeing another one. The risk / reward balance just isn't there anymore.What would you say the biggest risks are?
I'm new to the hobby and have been considering dipping into the escort side of things. My biggest concerns are stis, specifically skin-to-skin transmissible ones. I've been to a few AMPs and have kept things at HJ mostly, with one CBJ.
While nice, I feel my inner self wanting to venture deeper into the scene, but I haven't been able to get over that specific risk. I'm curious as to whether I'm overlooking some other obvious pitfalls.
ProperGMan
11-13-21, 13:53
What would you say the biggest risks are?
I'm new to the hobby and have been considering dipping into the escort side of things. My biggest concerns are stis, specifically skin-to-skin transmissible ones. I've been to a few AMPs and have kept things at HJ mostly, with one CBJ.
While nice, I feel my inner self wanting to venture deeper into the scene, but I haven't been able to get over that specific risk. I'm curious as to whether I'm overlooking some other obvious pitfalls.You'll definitely get HPV or HSV.
If you worry about HIV then start taking prep.
Covered for everything is the best policy.
What would you say the biggest risks are?
I'm new to the hobby and have been considering dipping into the escort side of things. My biggest concerns are stis, specifically skin-to-skin transmissible ones. I've been to a few AMPs and have kept things at HJ mostly, with one CBJ.
While nice, I feel my inner self wanting to venture deeper into the scene, but I haven't been able to get over that specific risk. I'm curious as to whether I'm overlooking some other obvious pitfalls.About half the single adults over 30 have herpes. Before you get too overly concerned I'd suggest getting tested. There's a decent chance you already have either hsv1 or 2 and don't know it. Nearly every person in either the hobby or the swinger lifestyle has it. For most people it's a single breakout and done and at that point they aren't contagious, people that have recurring breakouts manage it very easily with acyclovir.
I don't know anyone that has tested positive for both hsv1 and 2, there's anecdotal evidence that having one will prevent infection from the other. Whole I wouldn't recommend getting it, the odds of getting it are slim but there. People usually pass it on during their first breakout because they don't recognize what's going on.
If you test up and have it, then no reason not to partake, just either get on meds or abstain if you ever get a second breakout. It's incredibly common must most people either don't know they have it or lie about it.
What would you say the biggest risks are?
I'm new to the hobby and have been considering dipping into the escort side of things. My biggest concerns are stis, specifically skin-to-skin transmissible ones. I've been to a few AMPs and have kept things at HJ mostly, with one CBJ.
While nice, I feel my inner self wanting to venture deeper into the scene, but I haven't been able to get over that specific risk. I'm curious as to whether I'm overlooking some other obvious pitfalls.Risks in 3 categories.
1. STIs. Covering up prevents a lot but not hpv or hsv, though it helps. Risk of ftm hiv transmission without condom is very low to be honest.
2. Pregnancy. Cover up or pull out or get fixed. This one isn't fixed with antibiotics and can ruin your life dude. And high risk of happening.
3. Legal. I'm skittish about AMPs due to trafficking, and tend to stay away from young looking providers. A major life ruiner.
These life ruiners are especially an issue if you have a spouse.
Be safe have fun!
What would you say the biggest risks are?
I'm new to the hobby and have been considering dipping into the escort side of things. My biggest concerns are stis, specifically skin-to-skin transmissible ones. I've been to a few AMPs and have kept things at HJ mostly, with one CBJ.
While nice, I feel my inner self wanting to venture deeper into the scene, but I haven't been able to get over that specific risk. I'm curious as to whether I'm overlooking some other obvious pitfalls.The other guys covered risks I wasn't even thinking about. I was more focused on having my time and money wasted. When you could easily find 30 minutes sessions for a buck twenty, it wasn't that big of a deal to hit a dud or 3. Now, based on some of the numbers I've seen recently, absolutely not. It's the fantasy element and the thrill of being with someone new that drew me to this scene. TBH, the sex was always secondary. Don't get me wrong, I've had the best sex of my life with a couple of escorts. But, as soon as the fantasy ended (I could no longer ignore the provider's issues), I would lose interest. If I had any patience for the drama, I would stick to more traditional means of companionship.
IMO you get far more for your money in a good AMP. Yes, you take the risk of getting duds there too; however, if you do, you can bail out for a much smaller amount of money. I just can't recommend the escort scene to anyone anymore.
Bobby ShafToe
11-17-21, 02:09
Just saw a local escort in Twitter complaining about "most guys booking in TNA which has old school Terrible Review culture." Which is so weird, because while it may have had an "old school" review culture in the last, it sure doesn't now. I think she is probably just totally clueless and trying to sound informed when she is years behind thr times with regard to TNA.
Then she goes on to demonstrate that she has an extreme case of total GPS. Sometimes I wonder how escorts like her can possibly get any dates. She is overpriced and super bitchy.
PriceIsRight39
11-17-21, 14:48
Just saw a local escort in Twitter complaining about "most guys booking in TNA which has old school Terrible Review culture." Which is so weird, because while it may have had an "old school" review culture in the last, it sure doesn't now. I think she is probably just totally clueless and trying to sound informed when she is years behind thr times with regard to TNA.
Then she goes on to demonstrate that she has an extreme case of total GPS. Sometimes I wonder how escorts like her can possibly get any dates. She is overpriced and super bitchy.The hobby is shit right now. Total shit. I got stood up by a " reputable " lady Sunday. Still no response and she posted an ad yesterday. I know she saw my PM. WTF?
PriceIsRight39
11-17-21, 15:39
Now hoes are enforcing " vax mandates?" Fuck that! What's next, my wife's cell phone number? Only in PDX one can get away with this kind of crap. Sanctimonious mutha*uckers!! LOL.
So sure they are on the right side of everything over there. Just wait! Just wait.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2274155-beautiful-italian-mexican-mix-Sophia-Robey-downtown-PDX-READ-MY-REVIEWS-lt-3
WarpFactor69
11-17-21, 19:21
Now hoes are enforcing " vax mandates?" Fuck that! What's next, my wife's cell phone number? Only in PDX one can get away with this kind of crap. Sanctimonious mutha*uckers!! LOL.
So sure they are on the right side of everything over there. Just wait! Just wait.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2274155-beautiful-italian-mexican-mix-Sophia-Robey-downtown-PDX-READ-MY-REVIEWS-lt-3I have zero problem with that. I strongly prefer the person I am spending time with is fully vaccinated. Not sure why that would be a problem.
Drex Diggler2
11-17-21, 19:33
I have zero problem with that. I strongly prefer the person I am spending time with is fully vaccinated. Not sure why that would be a problem.I wouldn't have an issue with it either. SInce I have 2 plus the booster now.
Now hoes are enforcing " vax mandates?" Fuck that! What's next, my wife's cell phone number? Only in PDX one can get away with this kind of crap. Sanctimonious mutha*uckers!! LOL.
So sure they are on the right side of everything over there. Just wait! Just wait.
https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2274155-beautiful-italian-mexican-mix-Sophia-Robey-downtown-PDX-READ-MY-REVIEWS-lt-3What kind of moron still isn't vaccinated two years in?
PoonHound1969
11-18-21, 13:35
You are chatting with a dude from Spokane.
#nobillgatesjabscovidisfakegobrandon.
What kind of moron still isn't vaccinated two years in?
Her "specials" she quoted are 800 for 1. 5 hr and 1000 for 2 hr. Has great reviews on PD, but of course, there is no information. She wouldn't even verify her menu without me going through some heavy vetting first. What if I don't like her menu?
This is getting out of hand in this city. I remember when GFE duos were $400-$500/ hour 4-5 years ago, now you have safety girls charging more than that for a lackluster "hour" that they boot you out in 40 minutes. I got to say, I think I'm done. I'm glad I'm moving to FL in the next year.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Oregon/Portland/DIAMONDD7
EoCowbooy 1
11-19-21, 08:51
Her "specials" she quoted are 800 for 1. 5 hr and 1000 for 2 hr. Has great reviews on PD, but of course, there is no information. She wouldn't even verify her menu without me going through some heavy vetting first. What if I don't like her menu?
This is getting out of hand in this city. I remember when GFE duos were $400-$500/ hour 4-5 years ago, now you have safety girls charging more than that for a lackluster "hour" that they boot you out in 40 minutes. I got to say, I think I'm done. I'm glad I'm moving to FL in the next year.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Oregon/Portland/DIAMONDD7I guess as I read this, I asked, "Who was offering those?
Quite frankly, I haven't checked in awhile. Preface this by saying the top duos from 5-10 years ago are obviously not 20 year old spinners today. They may be more GILF than MILF even. In my case, I'm pushing 60 and that's ok with me. It would take quite a 20 something to really create an enjoyable experience. But, let's say BlondeTabatha and whoever (Dhalia and Gypsy Rose come to mind). I'm not even certain what they charge. But, IMO, I'd expect to not be rushed out and have one hell of an experience.
Savannah Mae would be another that, if her rates are up there, I'd still expect a hell of a time. Same with Secret Muse. I think Allusion may be back soon.
If a guy is into 15 minute sessions with 20 year olds, I'd agree you are likely SOL in regards to value.
PriceIsRight39
11-19-21, 12:21
I have zero problem with that. I strongly prefer the person I am spending time with is fully vaccinated. Not sure why that would be a problem.Never mind. Not referring to the shot! Forgot I was talking about PDX. LOL.
WarpFactor69
11-19-21, 12:31
Never mind. Not referring to the shot! Forgot I was talking about PDX. LOL.If you were not referring to her wanting her clients to be vaccinated, then what is it about her post that bothers you?
PriceIsRight39
11-19-21, 12:37
Her "specials" she quoted are 800 for 1. 5 hr and 1000 for 2 hr. Has great reviews on PD, but of course, there is no information. She wouldn't even verify her menu without me going through some heavy vetting first. What if I don't like her menu?
This is getting out of hand in this city. I remember when GFE duos were $400-$500/ hour 4-5 years ago, now you have safety girls charging more than that for a lackluster "hour" that they boot you out in 40 minutes. I got to say, I think I'm done. I'm glad I'm moving to FL in the next year.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Oregon/Portland/DIAMONDD7And you'll find life nicer overall outside of PDX area. It's a total bubble! I spent 22 years in it. It has a way of closing the mind off from realty. LOL. Not to mention the garbage and needles (please don't defend it, the majority of public opinion is that's it's a madhouse). You'll really see it once you leave. Just my opinion of course. Trust me, there's better places out there. You don't have to live with tent cities and murders (67 so far 2021). Seein’ how this is the rant section. GET AS FAR AWAY FORM THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THAT CITY AS YOU CAN! It's not coming back. Despite the outrageous taxes and real estate prices.
P.S. I got my "art tax" bill at my new address. I wrote on the front " f*ck you the schools were closed last year!" Not sure if my assistant included a check. Every time I'm there for business my decision to escape is reaffirmed. I really hoped it would turn around as there are a few common sense good people there. Lunatics have the majority at the moment.
PriceIsRight39
11-19-21, 12:47
If you were not referring to her wanting her clients to be vaccinated, then what is it about her post that bothers you?Irony. I have an odd since of irony I guess.
I'll leave it there. With respect.
What kind of moron still isn't vaccinated two years in?Enjoy your blood clots, myocarditis, ADE and other mysterious health problems from your 400 booster shots.
Like sheep to the slaughter.
Sugar Daddy PDX
11-19-21, 14:48
And you'll find life nicer overall outside of PDX area. It's a total bubble! I spent 22 years in it. It has a way of closing the mind off from realty. LOL. Not to mention the garbage and needles (please don't defend it, the majority of public opinion is that's it's a madhouse). You'll really see it once you leave. Just my opinion of course. Trust me, there's better places out there. You don't have to live with tent cities and murders (67 so far 2021). Seein how this is the rant section. GET AS FAR AWAY FORM THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THAT CITY AS YOU CAN! It's not coming back. Despite the outrageous taxes and real estate prices.
P.S. I got my "art tax" bill at my new address. I wrote on the front " f*ck you the schools were closed last year!" Not sure if my assistant included a check. Every time I'm there for business my decision to escape is reaffirmed. I really hoped it would turn around as there are a few common sense good people there. Lunatics have the majority at the moment.Even the most liberal of Dems can't argue with you about the decline in Portland. When I moved here 15 years ago, it was awesome. It was open minded, but respectful. Nobody in their right mind wants their city boarded up and covered in graffiti and garbage. This place is a cesspool, and there is no hope of ever having a majority to vote in qualified leaders.
PriceIsRight39
11-19-21, 16:15
Even the most liberal of Dems can't argue with you about the decline in Portland. When I moved here 15 years ago, it was awesome. It was open minded, but respectful. Nobody in their right mind wants their city boarded up and covered in graffiti and garbage. This place is a cesspool, and there is no hope of ever having a majority to vote in qualified leaders.I agree! The left supermajority will dominate for some time.
It sucks because it was a great little city! I watched it go from sleepy CLEAN city, to super hipster, and decline to the progressive pit it is today. It's really sad. It had a lot to offer.
The decline was clear since about 09-10 after the occupy " movement " broke up. The tents spread. I lived in the Hollywood area and loved the vibe. Two attempted entries into my home and a homeless man showering in my driveway with my hose was enough. I have younger kids and if something had happen after that waring shot, I'm not a victim I'm a fool! Covid really brought out the real face of progressive liberal ideas!! They all think they are sooooo right about all of this. The self righteousness of the people (not all) is sickening! Shout out to the normal folks trying to make the city work. I hope they can take it back, but.
Not to get all political but this story is an example of why the place is lost and why the left is losing support at an alarming yet satisfying pace! They simply refuse to address the real issues. All ideology about how the rich have ruined the world! LOL BTW I considered myself a strong " progressive". No longer. I'll take Orange man over this crap. LOL.
Enjoy the story. It's laughable. It's all just my opinion. Now back to the pu**why.
With respect.
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/11/portland-to-spend-500000-on-benches-to-stop-homeless-from-camping-near-parks.html
PriceIsRight39
11-19-21, 16:31
Why PDX fails!
Second sentence says it all.
Progressives flap their lips but say nothing.
This budget doesn't solve everything," said Commissioner Carmen Rubio. "We need to focus on systemic inequities and problems. There is so much more work that needs to be done. ".
WarpFactor69
11-19-21, 17:25
Enjoy your blood clots, myocarditis, ADE and other mysterious health problems from your 400 booster shots.
Like sheep to the slaughter.Can you provide verifiable links proving everything claimed above is accurate? Are opposed to the vaccine?
Drex Diggler2
11-19-21, 17:28
I agree! The left supermajority will dominate for some time.
It sucks because it was a great little city! I watched it go from sleepy CLEAN city, to super hipster, and decline to the progressive pit it is today. It's really sad. It had a lot to offer.
The decline was clear since about 09-10 after the occupy " movement " broke up. The tents spread. I lived in the Hollywood area and loved the vibe. Two attempted entries into my home and a homeless man showering in my driveway with my hose was enough. I have younger kids and if something had happen after that waring shot, I'm not a victim I'm a fool! Covid really brought out the real face of progressive liberal ideas!! They all think they are sooooo right about all of this. The self righteousness of the people (not all) is sickening! Shout out to the normal folks trying to make the city work. I hope they can take it back, but.
Not to get all political but this story is an example of why the place is lost and why the left is losing support at an alarming yet satisfying pace! They simply refuse to address the real issues. All ideology about how the rich have ruined the world! LOL BTW I considered myself a strong " progressive". No longer. I'll take Orange man over this crap. LOL.
Enjoy the story. It's laughable. It's all just my opinion. Now back to the pu**why.
With respect.
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/11/portland-to-spend-500000-on-benches-to-stop-homeless-from-camping-near-parks.htmlHonestly both the left and the right have ignored the homeless, and mental health issues in or area since forever. Just now it is out of control and neither side has an answer on how to fix it, nor do they seem to want to. There have ben minor things that have helped, but there has to be more done, and people need to stop looking at this crap as a political left vs right thing, and more of how the fuck do we make things better for us all. Come up with ideas, until one sticks, and work together.
I know I know this is a pipe dream, but still.
Enjoy your blood clots, myocarditis, ADE and other mysterious health problems from your 400 booster shots.
Like sheep to the slaughter.Number of Americans who have died from COVID: 790,114.
Number of Americans who have died from vaccine-related blood clots this year: 3.
Pretty smart sheep!
PriceIsRight39
11-19-21, 18:03
Honestly both the left and the right have ignored the homeless, and mental health issues in or area since forever. Just now it is out of control and neither side has an answer on how to fix it, nor do they seem to want to. There have ben minor things that have helped, but there has to be more done, and people need to stop looking at this crap as a political left vs right thing, and more of how the fuck do we make things better for us all. Come up with ideas, until one sticks, and work together.
I know I know this is a pipe dream, but still.Not a pipe dream. I'll give you my idea but ANTIFA burns the city when the camps are swept. So let's agree that shit has to be dealt with. Break a window, go to jail. (the will never go for that LOL). Keep in mind I'm a liberal. Or was.
I moved to PDX in 1999. Back then were no tent cities. Street people sure, but semi-permanent structures with fencing (I-5) and home made stoves didn't exist. The solution is tough love. There are shelters that don't tolerate bad behavior. Enforcement of the camping law that's on the books already (that will get rid of a third of the losers just tent hoping let's face it). Shelter beds too! Remove the NGOs from state money (homeless industrial complex) who take your tax dollars and donate it to feckless politicians that refuse to enforce the law. Wheeler marched with the " peaceful protesters " and got gassed LOL. Anyway,
If there's beds available, your tent comes down! It's hard for sure and given the enormous size of the problem it may be too late. Benches will only be used to secure more tents. Until progressives drop the idea that the rich cause all the problems, it won't get better. IMO. And the right has been soft on it too! They want to be liked by the NYT too!
I should add… drug rehab and mental institutions are also vital. Closing up the border to the dope may help although stuff gets through. I believe 100,000 ODs last year. There’s no political will to take the heat form the mob if the tough steps are implemented. Libs can’t face the fact that their ideas are good natured, but terrible realities. I know, I was one. Lol
Tough issues for sure. My kids don't have a childhood to burn waiting too see if it gets better. Oregon trial, eastbound y’all!
PriceIsRight39
11-19-21, 18:21
Can you provide verifiable links proving everything claimed above is accurate? Are opposed to the vaccine?I believe the vax has saved some lives. It has also harmed some lives. One NBA player is out. The free diver world record holder has a heart issue. A soccer player for Barcelona, there are more. So it depends on the person.
I'm certainly not opposed to any vaccine. I am however opposed to mandating vaccines by the federal government! There was a time when a democrat would be outraged at the idea of that. Times change.
I am puzzled why the vaccines are still being forced on people when the CDC admits it does not stop transmission, nor infection, and may prevent serious covid. Vaccinated individuals carry higher viral load (look it up!). What's the point? Boosters are now going to be mandated too possibly! Strange. I had a coworker who died of covid after being fully vaccinated. 53 yo. This fella went through the worse of the pandemic and was fine, now he's gone. Two kiddos left behind. Was it the vax?? Who knows, but in his case it didn't save him. So I'm (and my kids) are to be forced to take a treatment that I have personal experience with didn't work? Could have been me!
That's the issue I have. Why force vax healthy individuals? The libs hate this, but there are viable treatments now.
Last thing. One size fits all cure (every human vaxed) is in NO WAY "science. " That's scientism!
I encourage all who feel the vaccine is appropriate to receive it and future boosters! I understand many feel safer out there with the vax. Great! We have an economy to recover. Life has to go on. Forcing this will have epic blow back. And stop the demonizing of unvaccinated people. That's disgusting! IMO of course.
With respect.
Number of Americans who have died from COVID: 790,114.
Number of Americans who have died from vaccine-related blood clots this year: 3.
Pretty smart sheep!Smart Sheep ask for links to back up your claims.
Sugar Daddy PDX
11-20-21, 11:55
I'll toss this out there as well.
There's a huge difference between dying WITH Covid and dying FROM Covid. I don't think we truly know the true numbers of deaths because anyone that had covid in their system when they died of other causes, still show up in the numbers. Eventually, we will see the numbers reported from the CDC on a statistic called "Expected Annual Deaths". The data is still coming in, but that will hopefully eventually tell us the true impact of Covid. I'm more concerned about impact to our kids from two years of lockdowns, forced masking, long term possible effects of the vaccine, etc.
I'll toss this out there as well.
There's a huge difference between dying WITH Covid and dying FROM Covid. I don't think we truly know the true numbers of deaths because anyone that had covid in their system when they died of other causes, still show up in the numbers. Eventually, we will see the numbers reported from the CDC on a statistic called "Expected Annual Deaths". The data is still coming in, but that will hopefully eventually tell us the true impact of Covid. I'm more concerned about impact to our kids from two years of lockdowns, forced masking, long term possible effects of the vaccine, etc.That information is already in for 2020, the annual death rate in the USA went up by 16%. I think we will see a higher number for 2021 just based on younger, otherwise healthy people I know that have died.
It's definitely changed society. About twice the usual number of people retired, too, which is one of the main contributors to the employee shortage we are seeing.
As you pointed out, with time we will learn the true impact.
PriceIsRight39
11-20-21, 17:32
Number of Americans who have died from COVID: 790,114.
Number of Americans who have died from vaccine-related blood clots this year: 3.
Pretty smart sheep!Actually the CDC and also the Italian health services have revised their " numbers "' to indicate that only about 7-9% of the c-19 deaths were of healthy people that got the disease and perished. Roughly the same number as the. Flu. John Hopkins researcher look at the numbers and realized the heart disease (kills 500,000/ Yr in the USA) had almost disappeared in 2020. The research paper was pulled almost immediately after she published. Hey, maybe it was not peer reviewed. The all cause mortality for 2020 nearly shows a blip from previous years! It's time we look at the facts, but that ship sailed Match, 2020. Too bad.
It's beginning to look like many c-19 deaths were on people with multiple co-morbidities. I'm not saying c-19 is not serious. Many on the left, lets face it, appear to be offended at the revised data. Why? It's good news!! New Zealand has effectively destroyed its free society where the average age of death is like 82 years old! Perhaps it's worth it.
There have been deaths form the vax that are not only related blood clots. It's more than three. I know three people dead since being vaxed. Not saying it's sheep-ish to get the vax, I'm saying all medications have side effects and no one medication is a panacea. I believe the authorities we're counting on a techno miracle and it didn't materialize.
Last thing. Why would Pfizer seal the clinical trials data for 55 years? It's this standard practice? Not saying it's anything, again, it may be standard practice.
P.S. Got to love how all the organic food loving, non-gmo cookie eating, Keen wearing natural medicine using libs rushed out and took a genetically engineered shot! And then othered folks who wanted more information and applied a healthy skepticism about a new medication. The real virus is sanctimoniousness!
"What this (c-19) has allowed, is educated urban people who live in a constant state of anxiety, neuroses, and fear to have an external reason for their state of mind. ".
Michale Malice.
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