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I encountered Michelle the other day near the AAA (about a block of Hwy-99 and a couple blocks south of Denny Way), she is 19 (checked ID), brunette in a braid down her back, cute face, glassess, she sort of had that "Bad (young) Libriarian" look. She is a little to pudgey in the body for my tastes, but she "carries it well". She is extreamly well groomed and clean, smelled quite nice, and appears to be free of at least any of the heavier drugs. I had encountered her before and she has maintained, or even improved since then. I think her pimp keeps her travelling, she has told me before that she started in California (some years ago, but she has been of legal age since she began working in Washington). She is a quite delightful combination of youthful and realativelly enthusiastic, as well as being quite experienced, and most importantly of legal age.
We had negotiated for a CBJ for .4, she was attempting to convince me to go for a 1/2 & 1/2, and she had let me pet her bald kitty, innitially as part of the check, and I think to entice me to go for the FS. I found it quite tempting, but did not want to go for what she asked. Her BJ was decent, I think she would preform better, however, she had the sniffles at the time. Twice I allowed her to take a pause and let her use a kleenex. I had some sympathy since my allergies were acting up too. She was quite appologetic and re-negotiated a "lower" offer of .8 (total), I was dissinclined, however, the BJ was just not working so I gave in.
Her performance was considerably better, she was an active participant, and she moaned and talked dirty, nearly a GFE. IMHO if I have some further encounters with her her performance would improve. She made an effort to move, and act as I enjoyed, and I almost got my money's worth. In terms of preformance I can confidantly recomend her. She has a better attitude for provider of her looks and age. (I focused most of my (visual) attention on her pretty face.) If she were to drop about 15 pounds she would be very Hot, as is she is too pudgy for my tastes. But being clean, well dressed, and well groomed, as well as the pretty face do a lot to mittigate that. Her service is quite skilled for such a young (19 yo) provider, and she is an active participant which increased my enjoyment.
So overall I would rate Michelle as Appearence 7/5 (face/body) Attitude 6 Performance 7* Overall Value 6
We (myself included) need to negotiate firmly with this one, she is trying to price herself at Callgirl prices on the street. Although IMHO she is worth a bit more than the avereage SW, she is not worth what she is asking, I plead being halfway there effecting my judgement. She inferred that she is being pimped, and is part of a "stable" of girls, so she is probably being preasured to demand a high rate. She also infered that she could arrange to have an encounter with more than one young woman, which might be in some mongers desires. I have her number for Senior Members who PM me, however, I suspect that one would be more likely to be able to negotiate a better price if she were encountered on the street, otherwise I would expect CG rates.
I will be visiting your fair city later this week and I was wondering about the incall services, especially the full-body massage and/or tantra services. I'm not that big on the street action, which seems to be the most discussed feature in this forum. I'll be staying in the downtown area and won't have a rental car, if you want to make suggestions. Also, I'm partial to taller, athletic women, preferably non-smokers who don't charge a lot. PM me if you have suggestions. Thanks
Tyler Durden
06-08-04, 13:09
Oosikman,
There is another site that would have the information and resources to answer your questions.
I sent you a PM with the URL.
Later,
TD
Any advice on which SWs travel the road less travelled? (in this case greece? Back-door, rear-window, whatever ya wanna call it?
Also, I met a girl named Natalie recently, however I didn't have enough pocket change She wanted .4 for bj. Says she'd settle for .3. I only had .2 on me, so I dropped her back off. (this was near 145th and Aurora) I thought she was pretty cute. Short, slender, long black air, she might be hispanic. I haven't seen any reports on her, so I was just wondering if anyone has sampled.
Bandit
I'm coming to Seattle, wondering if its better to stay at the airport or downtown Seattle for action.
Thanks
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add standard capitalization throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. Thanks!
Monday night, 99 , between Oak Tree & 85th, 2 BSW, one really hot, thin, with nice rack, by the time I got turned around, gone.
Near Kmart, WSW, dye blond at least 7 months preg. passed on that.
Found Joni, WSW, near AAA, thin, B cup, but great f/s .40. Would do again. 5 looks, 7 service.
Have # voice mail, works, Senior Member can PM for number.
Bob,
Be Safe
Kirsten is still in jail. I tried the Jails website but since I don't know her last name I came up empty. I then called the King County jail to ask about her. They said without a name they couldn't help me. But you would think they could look up all the people that got arrested on a certain day and come up with something. Sorry bastards.
Web Builder
06-09-04, 00:17
Lets see. Tall, Athletic, and cheap. Can you guess which word doesn't go with the other two words? lol
Today, Tuesday, turned out to be a good day after all. I picked up a tall, athletic and beautiful babe tonight. She is 5'10" bare foot so you know what happens in high heels which she was wearing. White skin tight pants, tan pullover and a lite tan jacket about the same color as her hair. Tanned all over and no tan lines. Her name is Malliyaj and she draws a little heart above the letter i in her name when she gives you her number. At least she did for me. YMMV. Yes, she is an Escort type lady and yes she wants to charge like one and of all the beautiful and not so beautiful ladies I have picked up over the last year around the Redonda stroll she is the one and only one I will pay more than .1$ to spend an hour is a hot tub with. Great looks, great attitude, great service. She and friends just got back from a trip to Texas for several weeks. I am authorized to give out the number (It's changed again) to my friends. So if you think you are a senior, or you think you are a friend or you think you want to be a friend for today at least send me a message and I will respond.
Feeling friendly today,
Web Builder
John Quakman
06-09-04, 04:42
Looks like Kirsten is in for prostitution and has been in before. She was released conditionally? in Dec and is back again. May be the big picture spread and the posts alerted the LE. I understand it was right outside her house that they grabbed her. Too bad.
John Q,
DARN! I guess she won't be coming to HI then!
BTW when I called the digits you gave me for K, a guy answered so I apologized for calling the wrong number.
Stay safe,
OG
Kirsten is out of Jail and as of right now her whereabouts are unknown.
Tight Grip
06-09-04, 13:34
Well Well... It seems that Lake City Way north of 125th may be getting a few sw's every now and then. I was on foot going to a local store and a crack ho was asking passers by if they wanted a date. I had a female companion with me so I was not approached. Her crazy looking pimp was in front of her watching her like a hawk. About a week later I was trying to pull out of the Exxon station by 145th and a mildly attractive tounger african american lady approached my car and asked for a ride to 105th and 99. I told her I was going the other way and then she offered me money for the ride. I declined once more and then she offered to "date me for free" if I gave her the ride. I asked if that is what she really wanted in the first place and she just smiled. I was running short on time so I had to decline. I have been cruising Lake City every now and then but these were the only two instances that I have observed action on Lake City Way. Does anyone else have news about this road that could help a fellow monger out?
Also I was cruising 99 around 2am Monday morning and picked up what I thought was a wsw in Shoreline southbound just leaving the casino dist. I started talking and she said she was trying to get home to Federal Way. I forgot my cell so I took her to a payphone. I kind of hinted around that I was lookin but she did not bite. I confirmed her SW status with another provider later that morning. Maybe she just wanted to go home and was finidhed working. Anyway she was cute, white, and had curly dirty blonde hair. She looked very young as well. Would anyone have any clue who this is??
Thanks guys,
Monger Safely,
TG
petedragon
06-09-04, 14:04
Paper Poster - it all depends what you are looking for. Escorts favor downtown hotels (though most will visit decent hotels near the airport). There is a decent SW stroll on 99 not far from seatac but I think the best stroll is 99 North of the city and the hotels around there are the pits. I wouldn't take a SW to an upscale hotel but that's my hangup.
I have come to the conclusion that LE reads these boards and as soon as someone makes a report LE is right there taking out what ever was reported on. I have tested this by not reporting on certain experiences. When someone else makes a report on the same sightings the area would dry up within days. We are after all making explicit reports giving locations and times. Why wouldn't LE use this information? Why hire snitches when they have guys like us on the internet?
The real secret police is one where no one knows it exists. One where the spys are dupes being used by the state.
Michael1967
06-09-04, 15:33
Damn Web Builder,
I was after her last night also. Everytime that I went after her she jumped in a car with a guy. I tried to approach her on foot from the Redondo (she was near the Jack-In-The Box). Some monger already had approached her and was walking her to his car that was parked in front of the Bank Of America. She was dropped off about an hour later, I jumped in my car and drove over there only to be sniped by a monger that picked her up near the JITB dumpster. She was very hot, I knew she was tall, but I didn't think she was that tall.
Also on a side note. I met one of the working Redondo girls at Bartell's with her children. She introduced me to both of them (about 4 and 5 years old), I was very uncomfortable.
15th Ave HookUp--Almost:
I sometimes take a back way around traffic heading north up Aurora or Greenwood in the Ballard area by turning off 15th where Hollman Rd. turns into 15th Ave and go past Swanson's Nursery, behind QFC (used to be Art's) and north on 8th connecting back with Greenwood or Aurora at 145th. Well yesterday late in the afternoon I was heading for an appointment and took that route and as approached the back of QFC right across from the little Carkeek Park parking lot, there was a fairly attractive mid to late-20's white lady getting ready to J-walk across the street with two shopping bags. I stopped and motioned her to cross in front of me but some jerk coming the other way just barreled on by and she remained on the curb. She waved me to go on by but I stayed stopped, smiled and waved for her to cross. As she walked in front of my car she smiled a big smile and tipped her head in a sort of shy but sexy way. I tipped the baseball cap I was wearing like I often do to acknowledge to a SW that I am in the game. She laughed and nodded her head as well. By this time I was intrigued but I was still thinking this is just some playful flirting. However, I am old enough that it was unlikely this girl was looking at me as a possible real dating opportunity. When she got to the other side of the street (the Carkeek Park side) she just stopped and looked at me with a sort of quizzical smile on her face. I decided I better check this out and hung an immediate left turn into the Carkeek trail parking lot. She came right over and leaned in the passenger window (always a no-no for me but I figured what the hell I am not on Aurora). I told her my name and she told me hers, (Jilly or Jilli). I asked her if she needed a ride and she said no she lived just around the corner. She seemed really nervous all of a sudden and I decided to just lay it out and asked her if she was dating. She replied, "Do you mean a real date or something else?" I smiled and said "something else". She laughed and said she doesn't do that anymore. Ah ha, the hodar had been working after all. She explained she and her husband had just moved up here from Vancouver and were living in a duplex around the corner. He was on work release from prison. He was off that day with a cold and she had gone to the store for medicine. I suggested I could cover the cost of the medicine if she wanted to take a short walk with me into the park. I could tell she was tempted but she said she had to get back home and couldn't take the time. I noticed she didn't say no I don't do that anymore, so I suggested that we set another date and time and try it again. She wouldn't provide digits and I don't give our mine so we agreed on a time and place next week. I'll let you know how it turns out. This is my first bona-fide hook up on 15th after hearing (and seeing pictures) of others contacts. It's such a perfect stroll you would think it would have been found by the SWs especially with all the LE action on Aurora.
Cheers, HS
Web Builder
06-09-04, 23:24
Hi Michael,
I dropped her off not far from the shell station and just set there watching her walk across the parking lot towards the Redondo B&G. Last time I saw her she was heading North on Pac Hiway S. on the East side of the road about as fast as she could walk in high heels. She is a cool lady and I wish her all the best.
I have also had a couple of encounters with a couple of my sw friends and their young familys. I just treated them as I would any friend and it was fun except one encounter where I went to an sw's motel room for a date. When I got inside 3 of her kids and here grandmother were there. I turned to leave and she pushed me to the bathroom. I need the money to feed my kids!! You want to talk unfomfortable. Live and learn.
Web Builder
Thanks for the report, Head Snap. Hodar seems to be forever; or maybe it's just a vibe they give off.
I always find 15th NW to be fascinating (although, of course, you weren't on 15th). Ballard is a great place to find providers, but I suggest nobody go looking for an obvious arm-waver. A big part of the place is a tolerance not found in most places. Anonymous One has written a couple of times about Kaye, one of the Ballard girls who hangs out in a local tavern (when she isn't 86ed) and gives reliable service. She's just accepted as the neighborhood ho. I've written up a couple of gems I found, usually when I least expected it.
I just finished reading Tim Egan's book, The Good Rain, about the things that make the Northwest different. He mentions that the first two public buildings in Seattle (before Yesler's mill or Horton's store) were a *hohouse and a church; the church closed after a year for lack of interest. The *hohouse was doing fine until it burned down in the big fire.
Anyway, 15th NW (and Holman Road) is a good street to drive along for an outing, just to see what there is to see. But be careful around the high school on NW 65th. All the girls look like hoes, but they're way too young.
T-Man
Renton Massage has always been a good reliable place to go, although a little pricey $180 for FS and no body shampoo. Last week I was there and there were two new ladies I did not recognize.
They revealed to me that most of the girls that used to be there have gone in together and started a new place. It is called The Oasis.
From northbound 405 take exit 5 (Sunset Blvd). Follow it up the hill and you will come to a Safeway, I think. The land mark you are looking for is called Jewelry Exchange at Kirkland Ave. Turn right here and in the first block, you will see a two story tan medical/dental building. The Oasis is in the lower floor of the building with their own parking lot. The only signage they had was a small sign standing on the sidewalk in their parking lot. Very difficult to find the first time.
Nice new quarters and very friendly girls (if you have money.) There are a couple of these girls that have nips too sensitive for touching and won't let you play with the sounth forty, but some of them are just fine with it. I expect full service to be about $180. Don't know if they have body shampoo. My last visit was not real special. I was broke and wanted to make arrangements for a later visit, but as soon as I mentioned that I would not be paying for services today, I wasn't their buddy any more
If you go, tell them that Mike from Bremerton, who drives the big truck, sent you.
Seadregs, The cops from the north precinct cruise up and down Aurora all day both in marked and unmarked cars. There is nothing we could report on that they don't already know. Ditto for the cops from the west precinct and the Denny Park/Hurricane/AMP/AAA strolls. There have been literally dozens of reports on Alison--AAA stroll, and Sparkle/Linda--Winona stroll and yet they are/were able to work day after day in the same spot with little or no LE interference.
I'd also like to give a positive report on Michelle. She is very young (but legal), has a great attitude, very clean and well-kept, and for some reason I just love girls with glasses. Also, have had good luck with Desiree. She is drop-dead gorgeous, great body, young, and the dirtiest mouth I've ever heard on a SW.
I just bought a new truck so I won't be picking up anymore SW's until I can pick me up a cheap stroll mobile. I'd hate to lose a new truck over an errant crack pipe. Civ
I saw Allison out again Wednesday afternoon on the South bound lanes of Aurora around 4:00 or so. This was just north of the tunnel. I was heading north so I didn't stop. If any of you are looking for her I think that you will find her in that area in the afternoon.
Tight Grip - I have had luck on Lake City Way in the past. But to be honest it was a lot more miss than hit. The couple of times have been pretty good and I believe that all have been 'part timers'. The last time I met a receptionist on vacation looking for extra cash. She was attractive, well dressed and gave a great CBJ. FWIW I like part timers and am always willing to spend another $20 or so for them. I think it's the fact that they likely won't be doing this tomorrow that gets me to spend a little more.
There's an easy way to add LCW into a cruise up 99. If you head North on 99 and take a right on 145th you can follow that to LCW. From LCW you can head South to Northlake Way and back to 105th and 99. I like to do something like this when LE is thick along 99. It gets me out of the area for a while.
If any of you haven't checked out the Tacoma board take a peek at Michael1967's posts on Tillicum. Now there's a guy hitting the streets.
Keep it covered,
i25
P.S. Any of you guys see the movie 'Monster'? She reminds me of a couple of SW's that I've picked up in the past. If you haven't seen it it's worth a look.
Tube Steak
06-10-04, 20:51
So Civ- are you going to change your screen name? ;) Are the truck payments going to keep you off the streets? You are a most prolific contributor. Your reports will be missed. -- TS
PS- On the reports of off track spottings. I have picked up SW's in the most unlikely places in Seattle over the years. In the old days , pre '86 or so , LCW was always a likely possibility. There is low rent housing and strip joints, both good places for the trade. I would cruise it for "just to see" the last few years but such a slim possibilty to see anyone datable was rare. 15th , hit or miss, but Ballard has always had a "below the radar (or hodar)" trade. The Ave. was often good for the errant runaway or druggie girl. 1st Ave. and Cap. Hill also were good in their time. I cruised them all. I wonder where will be the next track as the city evolves, or devolves. --TS
NorthSeattle
06-10-04, 21:21
An update on last weekends activities.
I started off with this very attractive BSW who seemed out of place on Aurora/95th at 6:15 PM last friday. She was about 5 Ft. 8 inches, well dressed with a excellent shape. We did the check aster she walked over to me parked on the side street. After Checking I realized she was nicely put together. However I was getting ready to balk at her price $40.00 CBJ and $100.00 1/2 & 1/2 but she received a call on her cell phone where she set up a date for $150.00 at a hotel. Thought I'd give her a try as she said shes worth what she charges because she's good. I asked her to come over to my weekend place and she agreed to strip naked and take her time. She's 21 years old and really built with great natural breasts. She had a close trimmed busy that was very clean and quite attractive, her BJ was equal or better then Fur Hat Kelly's but not in the same class as Marlo. While she was getting ready to leave she received another call also for a $150.00 Date. Says shes working as a Independent Escort thru a Agency. Names "Cheyenne", didn't get her digits.
On Saturday afternoon about 3:00 PM I met one of my favorites who always does a very nice 1/2 & 1/2 Reasonable for $40.00. Shes been posted about previously Spanish/Moroccan 26 years old, with excellent attitude, large firm Natural Breasts, little chubby, very nice CBJ and really into multiple position sex. She doesn't give out her digits, but if you meet her treat her nice.
Tuesday evening couldn't resist stopping and getting information from a very slender, nice looking younger woman, early 20's with Reddish Blonde Hair, sweet smile who was strolling Aurora Ave on West side at 95th Street about 7:45 PM. Told her that I was very interested in dating her this weekend and asked if she had digits. She provided me with her number. Said she won't accept less the $50.00 for a BJ or $100.00 Full Service. Was very attractive, mentioned to her that her prices were very high for Aurora Ave. She replied that since she doesn't do drugs and thinks that it's her job to make every date special that she provides value for the price. Her name that she gave me is: "Shi" and her number is a "253" cell # that I haven't checked out. Has anyone dated her ? Any senior member who PM's will receive her digits if interested.
North Seattle
TS, The truck definately won't keep me off the streets and I'm going to look at a cheap little cruiser tomorrow. If I get it I might have to change my screen name to Civ1984. It would be a real honor to get a famous car to cruise in such as Titman's trashmobile. I do suggest anyone who does a lot of SW cruising to get a beater for this purpose. Civ2000
Fremont Guy
06-10-04, 23:23
Civ2000,
Thanks for the adivce. Many SW set the price determine by the car you drive. During negotiation they always start with "How many money do you have" or "I needed $XX to cover my rent". Maybe that's why they ended up working on the street. It's not matter how much I have or how much she want. It's the question of how much I am willing to pay or how much she worth.
sean_double
06-11-04, 01:27
Heh..heh. I'm probably pretty clueless in some regards (maybe that's why I've been divorced twice), but I've been cruising in a brightly colored and highly recognizeable sports car. Its a bummer because it's only good for BJ's or transportation to a good spot.
I too need to get a "trashmobile" with a big backseat and a much lower profile. I'll tell my neighbors it's a fixer or that I won it in a poker game.
In all seriouseness I think I've missed out on some good poon because of the high profile. A sportscar or whatever is great for picking up chicks at Golden Gardens or Alki, but has proven to be impractical and probably dangerous on 99.
I've got my eye on a beat up Cutlass .
Cheers,
Sean
Fremont Guy
06-11-04, 04:31
Anyone got in touch with Tabitha lately? She gave me her cell # when I dated her last time but I kept getting her VM and she didn't return call. I know someone said last time she was in hospital for some procedure and I wonder if she's OK.
Member #2978
06-11-04, 04:57
My hodar is working fine, but I need to figure out that new doppler weather radar!
I left my home on the Eastside about 11:00 on Thursday night with some time to cruise the strolls. By the time I got to the 520 bridge, it was sprinkling. The rain intensity kep increasing as I drove up 99 from 50th to 175th; needless to say given the weather, I saw nothing.
Retuned back down 99 to run through the downtown haunts to see what was up, and sure enough, the rain cleared. One BSW in the AAA area, but she was a bit too obvious under the lights for my taste. Continued over toward Denny Park and met up with Gail, a nice looking 23 year old BSW. We did the checks and took off. She had nice breasts, but it was difficult to see a lot more under the coat given the weather. I took the opportunity to indulge in a $30 CBJ; nice technique was demonstrated.
Gail mentioned that she has a place in one of the North Seattle suburbs to entertain customers; it was too far away to consider checking out based on the time. I did score her number; be nice if you want me to share.
Happy hunting!
Hmmm. Friends know that I am environmentally aware, so several have asked why I have a 20-year-old gas guzzler. I just tell 'em that the back seat is great for romance.
And all this talk about Ballard makes me wonder: Does anyone have digits for Kaye? I haven't seen her in a month, and she moves about every two weeks. Please PM me.
T-Man
I posted a report a month ago stating I will travel there but not inot street action much. However how can I find the spanish Morroccon girl I hear about? Is her roaming ground far from Bellevue Renton area I will be there in August on business also I how is Renton for action?
TP
T Poet, The Morrocan girl I frequently date is named Tina and usually works Aurora around John and Thomas streets and usually fairly late at night. Her other area is from about 97th all the way up to 145th. The stroll is about 20 miles from Renton and approximately 15 miles from Bellevue. The Aurora stroll runs from Denny Street all the way to 145th and this is about a 7-mile stretch (I'm guessing here). She had been working Pac Highway off and on but caught a case in Kent/Des Moines and is on SOAP out there. Look for a short, slightly pudgy gal that looks like she's Hispanic. Great tits and attitude but cbj technique is only fair. I only pick her up for FS.
There is no SW action in Renton but I've heard there are some massage parlors. The closest street action would be to head north on Rainier Avenue until you pass an area called Rainier Beach. Then for the next three or four miles you're in BSW heaven. Civ2000
PIMPS: I've been talking to some of the SW's lately and most of the young good-looking ones: Kayla, Christina, Vanessa, Michelle with glasses, Desiree, pretty much all the AMP/AAA SW's all work for pimps. I asked Michelle why she does this. I said doesn't your pimp make you work long hours and take most of your money. She said, "yes, but he's more like a friend than a pimp and he's nice to me". Heck, I'd be nice to anyone who was willing to suck dick's all night risking arrest and getting beat up to give me a bunch of money everyday.
I just don't get it. Michelle and Christina for example are smart, beautiful young women who could have anything or any guy they wanted but they choose to work Aurora so some sleazeball can make the payments on his Escalade. I could understand if they were independents and were getting to spend their money. I'm not moralizing against prostitution here, it just sickens me to see them give my money to some piece of shit.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Civ2000
Knight Rider
06-11-04, 20:13
Picked up a cute, young looking, 20yo, blonde wsw last night around 9:30pm in AAA area. She gave me the name Jazmine. She works with another young hsw with long hair and thier pimp is a large hispanic or native looking woman! I spotted them in the area and the large woman was pointing out cars and sending the girls running to them. Quite a sight, she seemed to have it all under control.
Jazmine said that she is very new to this, like within the last week and it showed. She was a bit shy and didnt even know about the check. She was real clean, not a druggie and had a good attitude. Quoted 50 for bj and 100 for fs but I talked her down to 80.
I have her number for seniors and friends.
KR
Here's something I've been pondering...
It is, of course, illegal to solicit a prostitute for sexual acts, and none of us would EVER do that except in our fantasies.
But, it would appear to be legal to pay any person to pose for a photo shoot or to act in a movie...correct?
I think if I ever wanted to have sex with a gal I saw on the street I'd simply pick her up, negotiate a fee for her acting skills, take her to a motel room, and have my video camera near by. Do you think LE could build a case around that?
Another thing I've pondered is if preaching to the little darlings could be considered loitering for prostitution, or what ever the technical charge is. It would be simple to keep a bible and a few religious magazines in the car for my 'missionary' work among the street walkers. As far as LE was concerned, I'd just be giving a lady a ride to rest her feet, warm up, or cool off while I 'preached' to her a little bit. I can't see a single thing wrong with that activity. Heck, that would even give me a reason and purpose for cruising in the drug watch and prostitution watch areas.
What are the holes in my defense strategies?
Pimps:
Well, Civ2000, we're ripe for another philosophical discussion. You and I have talked a lot off the forum about providers we have known (and, in my case, been related to) in all sorts of relationships over more years than either of us wants to think about.
I think you put your finger on one aspect: All the providers you mentioned were young. A couple of over-30 providers have told me that it dawned on them sometime between 22 and 28 that these guys weren't providing protection or much of anything else.
All of us, including providers, are different and they're entitled to have as many different quirks as we have. I've known a few for whom some version of s&m was involved, and a few for whom some element of force was involved, but mostly they are getting something out of the relationship and when they stop getting that something, they either get another pimp or become independents.
The more basic question is why the girls go into the trade at all, and there are as many different answers as there are girls. One of the older current Aurora providers told me about the utter unreality when she discovered (at 12) that some guys would pay her for what other guys just took, since she enjoyed it too. She has, incidentally, always been an indie, but she said she could understand how a girl could get so disoriented by the unreality that she would want a pimp around to just try to give her experience some structure, even if it was only bullshit.
There's also something to keep in mind: Almost without exception in male-female relationships, she's in charge. That goes for pimp-ho as much as it does for husband-wife. Nothing happens inside the relationship that she doesn't want to happen. It's usually what happens outside the relationship that causes problems.
When some young women discover their own sexuality, they are threatened enough by the discovery to try to make someone else responsible for it. I mean, imagine if you're a horny, attractive young thing and your S.O. orders you to go out and have sex with ten or twelve guys. I know that we mongers share the belief that our providers are only doing this because they want the money; but more than a few of them enjoy the work a lot more than they let on. Let us recall that there is really only one sexual organ: The human brain.
T-Man
Michael1967
06-11-04, 22:41
On the subject of pimps...
There is a book that I read many years ago, it's called -
"Pimp. The story of my life." It's by a real pimp that went straight. His name is Iceberg Slim, you can find it at the library or buy it from Amazon.com for about $7. Read it, once you get past the macho stuff it's very interesting on how the minds of women work.
While I'm on the subject of women's minds...I give up. I went to a bar to watch the Lakers' game on Tuesday and came across an old booty call. If you've been around here long enough, I've mentioned several times that I got a vasectomy several years ago because a booty call that I had, lied and said she was on birth control and was trying to get pregnant so we could be a couple.
This woman was at the same bar and she and her friend decided they wanted to publicly bust my balls about the way I treated her five years ago. I explained to them (and just about everyone in the bar) that when she went home with me, I told her that I didn't want a relationship and that we were only having sex. I told her this at least 20 times when she came over. She was never in my place before midnight and she was never there after 9AM. She wanted me to meet her kids.. I wouldn't. She wanted me to take her out on dates...I wouldn't. Each time this subject came up I openly told her that we were just having sex and it would continue until I got into another relationship and then I would end it. After I pointed all of this out to her again (5 years later). She said I was an asshole because, even though I told her all of this at the time, it should have been obvious to me that she wanted a relationship and that she was having sex with me to change my mind. When I finally left the bar, no woman there would talk to me (so I went out and found an SW...what do I care).
This brings me back to the book...as guys, we think more rationally than most women. There is a guy at the Redondo who is a pimp, no one would know this from talking to him. He's the nicest guy in the world (though I wouldn't want to piss him off) and the 3 or 4 women give him money because they "like" him and he treats them well. If they have trouble with a john he doesn't go after the john to kill them. He "comforts" the girl and makes her feel like she's important and that the guy is just an ass. I guess the women feel better because they have sex with men they don't like to make a living and when they are finished there is someone who cares (or acts likes he cares) about them.
To put it in guy perspective...think marriage. We go and do some crappy job that we hate to make money so we can come home and give it to our wives/girlfriends. In return, they give us sex and most importantly (for me, at least), stability. I know that my business thrived when I had a supportive person to come home to and wasn't concerned about making dinner or washing my clothes etc. I've been trying to jumpstart it again, but I'm constantly distracted by other things (trying to get laid) that I wouldn't have been distracted by if I lived with an SO. I guess what I'm saying is in our terms...think of your wife or girlfriend as your pimp and why you continue to financially support them and then you will understand why the SWs have pimps.
Michael
BTW read the book, it is truly fascinating reading.
Web Builder
06-11-04, 23:38
Well Geronimo,
You could go online and become an ordained minister all official for a very minimal charge. Then legally you would be in the ministry. Legal for the IRS as I understand it and should be for this also. You could help your case by down loading stuff from the Prostitute Support website (don't have the link handy - sorry) to go along with the bible and minister certificate. Of course, you should not get caught with your pants down or hers either for that matter.
Amen brother,
Web Builder
Hey guys,
I'm planning on returning to Seattle this summer to visit with my family and thought I should check out the posts to see what's happening back home. A little bit surprised to see the discussion board talking about pimps and why girls use them.
Isn't it obvious? the girls who use pimps have no where else to go. Sure, you see them now and they look great, but at some point they were probably living on the street or running away from a bad situation at home. Pimps are professionals, in that they know how to get the girls working. First, it's a safe environment with a lot of other girls, ( a place off of the streets) then they keep the girls partying for a few days without any sleep and very little food (all part of taking advantage of them while they can't think straight) then they put them into the situation of having sex. In return, they're treated like heros. The girls might put on a nice front, but they also aren't stupid. Most are terrified to leave the pimp, and also have no real way to do it. They are almost always being watch by the pimp or another girl. They usually don't have enough money to get too far. And, many of them become addicted to drugs over time.
The good looking ones who get into the trade who aren't homeless or runnaways usually start dancing or join an agency. Many of these girls simply know that they have the looks and the bodies and want to use them to make money.
I remember about 2 years ago I came back and was out eating lunch with my brothers and a few of their business partners. They took me to Hooters on lake union and most of the waitresses were totally hot. Naturally, I was there wearing a polo and shorts, since I was on my summer vacation, and they were all wearing suits. The waitress noticed, and asked me why I wasn't wearing a suit too. I told her that when you make as much money as me, you can wear anything you want and smiled. (I'm not a millionare, I was just making a joke) I remember that all through the meal my brother's friends were trying to flirt and pick this girl up. I didn't do anything. At the end of the meal, my brother's friends were leaving this girl a huge tip in hopes that they might get her phone number (stupid in my opinion,but it works) Anyway, I hit the head before I left the restaurant and when I came out of the bathroom the waitress, and her even hotter girlfriend, were waiting for me with smiles and their numbers. They even said that the three of us could party if I wanted, and her friend told me that she loves to get fucked up the ass. I'm sorry to say, that's where my story ends and I never took them up on their offer. I just knew it was going to be too expensive.
The point is, all hot girls know their hot, and know how to use it to get what they want. At least when they're old enough, and none of us should be having sex with children anyway.
I do have a question for anyone, I was reading several posts and people keep talking about the "AAA" area and I'm not sure where everyone is talking about, or at least my memory of the city isn't good enough. Can someone please let me know? Also, many people are talking about BSW, but does anyone know any Asian women, beside the massage parlors? Thanks!
Adjarn
Cruised the strolls Friday night starting around 11PM. I went through SeaTac to the Redondo area seeing a few good looking but very busy gals around Redondo Plaza. Went all the way to Tacoma and back without any decent sightings. Was so desparate I stopped to talk to a woman that must have been close to 60, she was so wasted she was having trouble standing up. I am very glad she was too toasted to get in the car in a reasonable amount of time. I had no idea that she was that old at first glance.
Went back by the Redondo only to run into some sort of mess involving more pigmobiles than I have ever seen, Must have been some sort of trouble around 1:15 AM.
Continued on north up 99 through Kent. It was very strange,as I only saw three pairs of larger girls working the darker areas where the businesses are closed at that hour.
Anyway, I finally got to the Marginal/Corson area to find that things were hopping, just after 2AM. I first picked up a reasonably nice young provider, name forgotten. As we were driving around discussing terms she started to seem a little flaky and unaccomodating so I was having my doubts, and on Corson I see two very young and beautiful Hispanic girls giving me the eye. So the decision being made, I have to get rid of subject A and proceed to subjects B and C. I take A to where I found her and tell her it is not going to work out. Trying to be kind I give her 5 for her time and expect her to exit quickly. NO, she wants to bargain now. She will do what ever I want, etc. Takes about 2 mins. to get her out of my car.
By the time I get back the two little spinners are long gone of course. But just about two blocks further up the road (Corson, still, heading toward I-5) I see a slim older provider that knows the ropes, Savanah. About early to mid 30's with short dark hair. I tell her I want her to take off her clothes and give me bbbj while driving and she says; Do you want me to start now?
I guess it's true: "Sometimes you get what you need."
Wambo
Geronimo:
In the Portland thread there has been, and sometimes continues, an extensive discussion of modeling/photo contracts to use when meeting discoveries on the street.
Ledhead Pooner
06-12-04, 12:35
Geronimo,
Those are actually very effective "covers" for your mongering activities.
I bought a book once about making adult movies and it mentioned having a vidcam on board and an "actors release form" to have her sign as a foolproof and totally legal way to have sex with a chick at a motel, etc. and pay her for it without getting busted.
It is little different than that ugly Ed Powers dude who does all the pornos of new adult actresses. His line is asking if she "want's to make a movie, if ya know what I mean, wink wink". It works.
As for the missionary bible thumping angle LOL, there is a dude in the Portland, OR section who goes by the handle "Father Priest" who may be able to ably assist you further in your higher calling. ;)
LP
Anonymous One
06-12-04, 12:37
Hey Titman - I have been trying my numbers for Kaye sporadically for the past few months, including her old residence, but no dice. She used to shack up with a guy on the Eastside who was trying to get her to clean up and sober up - anytime she disappeared in the past that's where she was. You can leave messages for her at the old man's house, and that just might be your best bet - do you have that #?
Anonymous One
"The ass is never on the rag"
Mr Peepers
06-12-04, 13:09
Hello all, well last night about 11pm near downtown at 5th ave and Bell street there was older wsw name shanny-? We agreed to a cbj for .2 then went to a area that was safe for her and me.
She was slow and natural and also let me take a pic of her too !
Mr Peepers
06-12-04, 13:09
Hello all, well last night about 11pm near downtown at 5th ave and Bell street there was older wsw name shanny-? We agreed to a cbj for .2 then went to a area that was safe for her and me.
She was slow and natural and also let me take a pic of her too !
Friday:
The tall blonde Viking chick was working Aurora in front of the yellowish-green lumber place about 1:30pm. I was on a work mission so I couldn't stop for long but I staked her out from across the street. She is very very good looking, tall, below the shoulder blonde hair and dressed nicely. She's a very cool customer, not obvious at all but definitely playing. However, she must be pretty expensive since in the 15 minutes I watched her she got into and almost immediately out of a white utility van and then a nice new BMW. I figured if the guy in the new BMW couldn't afford her, there was little chance for my meager wallet. However, I am intrigued and will probably check her out at some point.
I picked up Tabitha about 9pm on about 90th and Aurora. Man those fake boobs are hard as a rock. She did a great bbbjtcws however for $.3. She offered FS for $.6 and uncovered FS or anal for $1.00--yah sure I am going to pay someone to give a disease. She claimed to have a clean bill of health certificate from the UW that was just a month old. Ten minutes old would have been too long for me to go there.
Be careful out there.
Cheers, HS
Was out cruising Aurora from 9pm to 1 am. I first saw 3 gals walking by the schucks by 175th I think. I pulled in and the nicer one came to my window to talk. She gave me a tit to squeeze but wanted .40 for head and .100 for FS. I had to pass on that.
I saw Tina the morrocan one twice. The first time she got in the guys car right in front of me. About 2 hrs later I saw her walking southbound on Aurora and I couldn't get turned around in time.
There was a nice younger looking girl out last night working right around the Oaktree Cinemas. She had on a black top and plaid pants. i saw that after each time she left with a monger she would come back and make a phone call. I pulled up to talk to her and she shook her head no. I was kinda pissed cuz I had been driving around all night and gotten nothing. Later on I saw her tell another guy no also.
Then I saw a loopy looking redhead so i swung around and sniped some guy but he was in a mercedes so she went to his car.
Finally disgusted and frustrated I headed home. But then I saw a older looking redhead that looked half way decent. I saw her get into some guys car and then talks fell through I was there. Took her to my spot and we talked, and got to know each other in the biblical sense. She was a nice person and said she would like to meet more of my friends. I am going to set up a photo shoot with her next week. Her digits lead me to voicemail.
Guys,
Talking about modeling contracts and movie deals is not going to keep from getting busted in a sting. The only thing that will save you is to not talk at all about money until you are sure that this person is not a cop. If you try a modeling excuse you better be ready to explain why you do not have a legal contract, business cards, proper equipment, business liscense ect... Think about the show cops when they catch some guy were he should not be and he uses an excuse, they shoot it full of holes in no time. Do not get caught breaking the law (saying that you are willing or payed for sex) is your best bet for not getting in trouble.
Headsnap -
The Viking chick is Maliyah - who sometimes works the Redondo stroll, and often up at the 130-145th stroll. I saw her out walking also.
Knight Rider - I also saw your Jazmine - she was calling herself Desiree earlier that evening. It wasn't her first week, it was her first night, from what she told me. She's a sweetie. I've seen Dee, her handler, in the Redondo Grill with that other girl. I wasn't interested in the other lady, who is an Island girl, I think, not hispanic. I ended up seeing Desiree/Jazmine that first night, and then decided to call her and hook up again, instead of stopping for Maliyah on Friday. Whatever her name is got a room at a motel in Lynnwood and I met her there for FS for $.80. She has a cute little body, puffy nips, firm butt. Pretty fun time, and great smile and laugh.
Anyone ever hook up with that tall thin bsw that is always walking in the late afternoon up by K-mart and up to 145th? She's the one that sometimes wears a hat, has reddish hair and plucked brows - great butt. She looks like she has some attitude, but I have only talked to her briefly, and she wanted me to pay her to get her digits. That's attitude in my book.
Un_Circumcised
06-13-04, 12:11
There has been some discussion about the merits of cruising in cheap, old cars so as to appear less wealthy and get a better deal. Another reason why this is a good idea is the drug forfeiture law in this state, and the risk of having your vehicle seized and auctioned off if the cops find a petty quantity of any illegal drug (with the exception of less than 40 grams of marijuana) -- such as a ho might deposit either deliberately or inadvertently. Although any vehicle containing drugs can be seized, prosecutors naturally ignore those that are gong to net the government little (or cost more to handle than they return at auction), and instead target newer, expensive vehicles. The top location in the Seattle area where these stolen goods are unloaded is the Woodinville Public Auto Auction. Not all the vehicles on their current list (http://www.bidacar.com/featured_items.htm) are drug seizures, but it gives you an idea of what LE and prosecutors want.
Seattle - Vancouver street guide (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html)
I agree with Uncirc. The reason I'm looking for a cheap car is not to get better deals with the SW's but to avoid conviscation in the event a crack pipe inadvertently ends up getting found in the vehicle. I'd much rather lose a $500 '84 Corolla for example than a brand new Nissan Pathfinder. As the courts have ruled when drugs are found in a car they are presumed to belong to ALL the occupants of the car.
Also, it would be easy enough to print up some cheap contracts, buy an inexpensive digital camera and just ask if you could shoot some (clothed) photos. I would steer away from trying to look like a streetwalker evangelist as I believe these are some of the SW's best customers., see Swaggart, Morehead, et al.
Unfortunately the Morrocan girl (Tina) never has had a cell phone, home phone, or pager so you just have to catch her on the street. If I recall she lives with her parents and can't receive phone calls. Civ2000
Saturday Night, June 12th:
Coming home from Seattle around 9PM, stopped in the KK for a dog-nut and saw a really cute chick with a thick smokin' body. She was brown skinned and looked about 18-20. She was sitting by her self, but I didn't want to just walk up to her in the place, so I waited outside in my car and about two minutes later, she came walking out. I got her attention and she got in my car. She said she was waiting there for a date, but she would give me her digits to get ahold of her afterword. She said her name was "Shyann". Anyone know her? I haven't called her yet, but I will give senior members her number. Without taking the plunge, I can't endorse her at this time, though.
Had a really scary one tonight, boys! Man, was this chick wacked! I picked up this tall, thick, black girl, that looked about 18-20, at the 145th Walgreens. She had a pretty bad zit problem, but believe it or not, she had a really sexy looking face and a nice thick body too. The thing is, she was on something. I think it was more than just being drunk. She started rambling incoherantly and was starting to freak me out, so I wanted to just drop her off. She insisted that I let her go down while I was driving. She started to pull my pants down as she's yelling at me and actually hitting me in the nuts. I ws damn close to start reigning blows upon the top of her head, but I whipped it into the Fred Meyer. I'm lucky I made it in there, because she was trying to yank on the wheel when there was busy traffic coming at us. Once parked at the FM, she would not get out of the car. She started to reach for something in the back of her pants saying she was going to knife me. This chick was screaming at the top of her lungs that she was going to kill me. I grabbed my keys and jumped out of my car, but left the door open. I was going to go around to the other side and yank this ***** out of my car by the hair. I was so f'n pissed by this point that I might have just knocked her out. I drive a really nice car, so I thought better of it. I could just see her putting her foot in the side of my car. I thought I'd better offer her some $, to coax her out calmly. I offered her $15. She finally bit after about 15 minutes of this shit. She said her name was maybe "Shauna" "Shauntay"? Something with a Shaun in it. Needless to say, avoid this chick! Sorry for rambling.
ichi
NorthSeattle
06-13-04, 15:40
The most important thing to do when being involved with "LE" in almost all circumstances is "KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT".
Be courteous, kind, cooperative. Provide a minimum of documents to verify your identification. If they act annoyed, aggressive or claim that they have been watching you, that your companion contradicted you, ANYTHING. "KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT".
They will use anything you say, to try and get more of a statement, they will LIE and SWEAR to it later.
95% of the time the WOMAN PANIC"S, she is liable to say almost anything to save her ass if passable, even if it makes sense or not. Again most of the time shes got a bigger more demanding "JONES" then any of us do. We only want sexual release. She wants her "Pipe", Needle" or "Snort" thats why she's on the street. The few without the "Jones" may behave more rationale, but it's likely they have been busted before and often have a "SOAP" for the area where you were spotted.
As previous posters have mentioned if we can spot then, pick them up and do the deed. Then you can be sure that they are on "Le's" Radar, whenever and wherever they are doing the stroll. These Woman aren't that sharp or they'd be more inventive and less obvious. Just like the fact that every few months the stroll begins to extend into "Shoreline" just because it seems convenient, but most of us know it's Bad News as the LE are aggressive and behave questionably about things like civil rights.
The only thing that we can do is "Shut our MOUTHS" and let then know that we won't say anything without having a attorney present. Most of the time, TIME is then on your side, since they aren't supposed to waste that much time on something so bull shit, paper work becomes more complicated and overtime for this type of case is a NOT. The fact that most of the time we've been stopped is after business hours, if they decide to keep anyone over their shift time it's a pain in the butt with much more paper work and explanations, plus transit of suspects, photos, fingerprints, etc aren't worth the effort for a questionable conviction, plus they will piss off and irritate any prosecutor for a mickey mouse arrest.
Most of this information was from a friend who worked as a Attorney for King County and is now a Criminal Lawyer in NYC.
By the way my "MONGER Mobile" is a 1987 Olds [200,000 plus miles], with dents and bumps all over. It's so ugly that most drivers avoid coming to close. The car even has Moss growing on the Trunk. I get looks like, bet he doesn't have insurance but the Ladies hop right in. Maybe I should let others use it for introductions, sort of like a mongers magnet mobile.
North Seattle
petedragon
06-13-04, 17:27
By the way, North Seattle, the Shoreline PD is actually contracted out by the King County Sheriff. I know this because I happen to know a KC officer that was on the SL PD and is now working elsewhere. He told me they are instructed to say they are Shoreline Police.
NorthSeattle
06-13-04, 18:25
petedradon:
I'm not sure if that information is correct. I was a witness at a accident at 156/Aurora and was interviewed by a Shoreline Police Officer, whose uniform, vehicle and everything else including card and telephone number all said "Shoreline" in fact they even have their own Courthouse where the case was being heard.
The Patrol Vehicles are different then the King County Sheriffs vehicles as well.
I'm wondering why it's become so common to see King County Sheriffs Cars following Buses along the Aurora Avenue routes almost 24/7 everyday. Seems like a incredible expense for the county that doesn't make any sense as it would certainly be less expensive to place a officer on the Bus then having 2 ride along for the complete route tying up a vehicle and spending lots of time out of their jurisdiction. Our taxes $$$$$ down the drain.
North Seattle
Petedragon is correct and Shoreline contracts out from the King County Sheriff's office. The cars do say Shoreline PD just as the Burien and Seatac cars say so also, but they are also contracted out by the sheriff's office.
I think that when you see the sheriff following a bus down Aurora it's because the driver has reported an incident and the police are waiting for the offender to exit the bus. I see this several times each week but not exclusively on Aurora.
Nico, I have a question for you. You mentioned in your last post about a SW that talked to you through your driver's window and offered a tit. Myself when a SW does anything other than hop right in I have a zero tolerance policy and drive away knowing that doing negotiations outside the car is LE's favorite tactic when doing a sting. I also drive off even if I know she's not LE because standing around with her ass hanging out draws unneeded attention to us. I'm just curious as to your opinion on this and wonder if you only chat when you've convinced yourself she's on the up and up. I do this because I know that just pulling up and asking someone if they're a cop in a prostitution area is grounds for arrest under the loitering for prostitution laws.
Still looking for that beater car.
Civ
I also do not normally engage in conversation out my window. But on this case I observed then for awhile and I realized they were bonafide SW's. I'll PM you with more info.
Mr Peepers
06-13-04, 22:50
Hey everyone, today sunday about 5pm downtown near 5th and Bell st. I ran into carmen again also she let me take some pictures of her too ! This is picture one of two.
Mr Peepers
06-13-04, 22:51
Ok everyone, this is picture two of two. This is carmen from 5th ave and Bell street. A short info cbj for .20 and we both had fun!
Michael1967
06-14-04, 00:20
At the Redondo again tonight to watch the Lakers get their asses handed to them. "Jessica" came and sat down next to me she is really cute but also overweight. I knew instantly the she was working. I talked with her for awhile, but during our conversations, she got several phones and told the people calling that she was $200 an hour.
I instantly started ignoring her. There is no way that someone about 5'5" inches and weighing around 170-180 should be charging $200 an hour. I know some people like the chubby ones, but this was ridiculous. She sat with me until the end of the game and then I noticed that she had a pimp, sitting in the corner watching her. She received one phone call and the guy on the phone was arguing with her, she got up, walked over to the pimp and handed the phone to him. He said several not very nice words and handed the phone back to her.
There were several other working girls inside and outside during the time I was there. There were at least 6 in the parking lot at one time. The bar only let in 3 regular SWs (because they like them and they buy drinks and food) and this new one named "Jessica" because they had never seen her before. BTW "Jessica" purchased 3 $8.50 drinks in less than an hour, so I guess if you run into her, she probably won't go cheaply.
Also, on Friday evening there was a very, very attractive blond there that claimed she was a "model" at the new club downtown that sells drinks and has women dance in their underwear. I believed her because she was a serious "10" (in anybody's book, not just mine), but obviously she was working. I talked to her about 15 minutes and then some guy started buying top shelf drinks for her. I kept at her until I saw that he had spent $50 on drinks for her, and out of respect for stupidity, I got up and let him have my seat.
Where exactly is this Redondo Bar & Grill?
Fremont Guy
06-14-04, 06:52
Sunday night 11:30pm
I drove by 85th & Aurora and spotted a young girl with burnett hair dress very nice and with perfect body and I believe she's no more than 19 yo. First I wasn't sure if she's working, so I parked at the motel next to Jack in the Box and watched her with my bionculars. She kept walking North and South on Aurora between 85th and 100th. At that time I knew she's working, so I approached her, but there were few mongers did the same thing and at one time there were 3 cars including mine all pull to the same street and stopped and waited for her, I felt kind of embrassing, but she didn't get into any of the car. In fact she just kept walking between 85th and 100th and never got into any car. I wonder if she's a psycho or something. Did anyone from the board picked her up?
Then I drove to AMP/AAA stoll and saw nothing but LE. At one time there were 8 bike cops showed up and responding some distburbance at McD.
Play Safe
FG
Nico, The Redondo Grill is located at the NW corner of 272nd and Pacific Highway South between Taco Bell and the Safeway store.
Thanks Civ and the monger who pm'd. I will have to check it out this friday after I hit Studio B.
Fremont Guy
06-14-04, 17:35
I really couldn't stand those mods at TRB. I posted a question on "How provider determine their price" and it got deleted. In fact 4 out 5 of my post got deleted. They are so corrupt over there. Where is the free speech?
Michael1967
06-14-04, 19:54
Ummm.... Friday night wouldn't be a good night for you to go there. The staff lovingly calls it "thug night" or "hell night" depending on who you talk to. Friday evening before 9PM would be better or Saturday or Sunday during the day. The police have a strong presence there during the dancing at night and it scares all of the girls away. If you're going to be there awhile, get a seat where you can keep an eye on the parking lot. There is always good talent showing up and being dropped off there.
Michael, Wasn't the Grill going to be shut down for a month for liquor violations or has that not happened yet?
Michael1967
06-15-04, 00:06
It was supposed to. They still have a sign on the door that says that they have a reprieve until they get a court date. I guess there were "irregularities" with the investigation of the bar, some of which were videotaped.
Web Builder
06-15-04, 00:32
Monday evening - 7PM to 9PM was busy along Pac hiway south between 250th and just south of 272nd. Most of them were were bsw's. 9 of them in 2 hours a couple of them were really hot - one in white pants and black top. Several of the 9 were mixed race. I passed on them all. I was really wanting a white sw again tonight. Saw Malliyah just at 8 PM again tonight. Just about the time I also spotted what looked like LE walking around the Safeway/Redondo Grill parking lot. She vanished into thin air and I headed North on Pac Hiway So. Malliyah would have been a real treat again tonight BUT that big my allowance is not. I saw several other Wsw's but was not inspired by any of them. Made it home earily tonight but not before seeing an LE and car take up position in the Redondo parking lot. Say goodnight Gracie.
Private and professiional watch dogs tonight.
Keep your eyes open,
Web Builder
Fremont Guy
06-15-04, 03:28
Called Allison tonight and brought her to my place for FS. Man, she has the weridest tattoo I have even seen. She has a tattoo right below her neck in the back in chinese character and it said "Mr Casket", I asked her if she knows what's that mean and she said the guy did her tatoo said it meant "Mr Fearless".
I wonder is there any WSW out there doesn't have tattoo, it seems like a requirement to have that for SW.
What a hoot reading about all the street activity!
However, I'd prefer a one-hour quality massage with a pleasant finish, but have not seen many reports on this topic in quite a while.
I'll be in the area in a month or so; if anyone has had a *good* massage lately, I'd sure appreciate a PM or reply as to the location.
Thanks and be safe.
Jimi Hendrix
06-15-04, 23:10
Late Report: Racquel (Downtown) 5-22
Hi, guys. It's catch-up time again. I finally have time to sit at the computer, so I'm cracking open my glovebox notebook and issuing a few late reports from over the last couple of weeks, plus current reports from my activity this week.
I'm starting with a kind of weird date I didn't have time to write up last time I posted, because I jotted my notes for it down in a different place than usual. Here goes...
About 10:00 AM Saturday morning three weekends ago (May 22nd) I was cruising Belltown and Denny Park for SWs but came up empty. I had given up and gone downtown to go about my errands when I spied Racquel, WSW, 32, 5'5, 115ish, brunette, shoulder-length hair, slim, small B cup, slight limp. She was downtown at 7th Avenue and Stewart, not far from the bus station (and, by the way, the SPD West Precinct!).
I have dated Racquel a few times in the past over the last two years. She used to be in the 7-8 looks category, appearing younger than she is, but the drugs have been hard on her, and apparently she got mugged and broke her leg during the incident, so even cleaned up and not high she's down to a 6 or a 7 looks, and walks with a limp. Back in the day, she used to have long dreadlocks. You can still tell she used to be pretty before she was a crackhead. I dated most recently about 8 months ago, when she failed to finish a CBJ after we got "disturbed" from our spot (hers) by curious passers by and made a fuss about returning the money or taking the time to find a new spot. I hadn't seen her since -- and hadn't particularly wanted to because of her poor service that last time, even though our first few dates for lip service were reliable and cheap.
But this particular morning I was horny with no other prospects. Racquel was walking up Stewart with another hobbyist, so I snapped a picture (protecting his identity, of course), parked, and followed them discreetly on foot for a block or two, hoping they had just finished rather than that they were just getting started. Of course, they were just getting started! :( The dude took her inside a nearby apartment. I went back to my car, did a quick errand, reparked where I could see the entrance to the building, and hung out. According to my dashboard clock, it was less that 15 minutes before she came back outside. Whatever that dude did with her, he did it fast!
I discreetly said something out my window and caught Racquel's attention. She recognized me, gave me the nod, came over, and got in. Surprisingly, she said she was glad to see me. I didn't let on that I was waiting for her and made like it was a coincidence. I asked her what she was up to, and she said she had just [FS]'d some dude. She said he wanted her to speak Greek to him, but she told him her lessons started at $. I laughed. She said, "I tried to get him to go for 1/2 & 1/2, but then he wanted a [BBBJ], so I said I'd [FS] him for [.5]." I thought to myself that guy was an idiot if he paid .5 for her kitty, 'cause I'd seen it before and you'd have to pay _me_ to go in there. :P
Then Racquel said she still needed to make .25 and asked me if I wanted her to speak French. I said, "Duh..." but I told her I would only go .10 for a lesson after my last experience with her, 'cause her French ain't all that good. She pretended to be offended and sat silent, so I just drove for a while, getting us out of the area quickly to a safe, secluded spot. She didn't complain, and her attitude improved a little. She said, "Well, can you go [.15], and I promise to [speak French] really really good?" I said OK.
We got parked, and I got comfortable. She tied up her hair and got out the raincoat. I noticed her hands, something I remembered from before. They were clean, but there's something about these junkie SWs that makes their fingers swell and get knobby, and Racquel's are pretty bad, which is sad and further reduces her attractiveness. I kept telling myself I was renting her mouth anyway...
Actually, her French wasn't all that bad, but I made her keep her hands to herself during the lesson. That ponytail made a nice handle for her head, and I guided her as she ate a full meal of big beef sausage. She has very little gag reflex, so she choked down every last bite and held it in her throat for the moment of truth. No coughing, no barfing, and (almost) no gagging, and no complaints, which scored her some points with me this time around. Plus, she finished the job, which she can't always be relied on to do. She didn't say much as I drove her back downtown, but she said goodbye and told me to look for her again. Overall, it was a 6/6/7 L/A/S experience, and I got my .15 worth. But beware, because I would not recommend Racquel since she is unreliable and can be pretty stubborn. I probably won't date her again.
Unless I'm _really_ horny. ;)
Hope you like the picture.
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky... -- Jimi
Jimi Hendrix
06-15-04, 23:10
Late Report: Tammy (Belltown) 5-26
Around 5:00 PM Wednesday afternoon I started to cruise a loop through Belltown and encountered Tammy, WSW, late 30s, 5'5ish, thin, petite, short curly medium brown hair, surprisingly nice B cups, wearing a dark warmup jacket and pants, at 8th & Bell. She has a bad haircut but a decent face. (I normally would never pick a SW up there due to LE frequency and lines of sight, but she gave me the nod and hopped in at the 4-way stop almost before I realized it!) She is a crackhead, but was only drunk at the time and pretty clean. We did the check and got the hell out of Dodge.
Offered her .10 for a CBJ with all the extras, and she took it with no complaints or negotiation. A few drinks in her didn't stop her from doing her job well. We had a nice safe spot not too far away, so she took her time and gave me nice unrushed service with full access to the twins and kitty. Her average-sized tits were firm and really nice, and she moaned while she worked when I pinched the nips. The French wasn't super deep, but she mixed it up good and had plenty of technique. L/A/S was 6/8/8 overall, very good for the money. She should let her hair grow out, get off the rock, and get some nice clothes, and she could make some bank. The details make all the difference, ladies...
As is, after one date I'd say Tammy is good in a pinch, especially for that area of town. Nowhere near Carmen's caliber, but more than half as good for less than half the price. You guys do the math. ;)
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky... -- Jimi
Jimi Hendrix
06-15-04, 23:12
Late Report: Cascade Playground 5-27
A couple of weeks ago I made a report of several sightings and my first date with a new young blonde WSW, 5'5, HWP, long hair, sort of pretty face, B cups, good ass. She's the one I saw the cops stop one night, and then she pretended not to be a SW when I asked her, but later she eventually gave me a good cheap French lesson while I took her for a ride on I-5. I posted a photo of her in an alley on a heroin nod, so I'm pretty sure she's a full-time junkie even if she's only a part-time SW...
Saw her in the mid-afternoon a couple of Thursdays ago (May 27th) hanging around Cascade Playground, northeast of Westlake and Denny Park. She was wearing a blue fleece top instead of her usual black down jacket. She was walking around the park stuffing her face with fast food. I decided she might like some sausage for desert, so I pulled over, parked, and said something to her as she walked by.
She recognized me and nodded, but kept walking. I pulled around the corner and when she got to near the car the second time, she tossed her garbage on the ground and got in, finally figuring out what I wanted. She was kind of grumpy, and her face had broken out a little since I'd seen her last. I still didn't get her name, and didn't feel like bothering to try, so I just asked her if she wanted to eat some sausage. She said CBJ would be .30. I laughed and said last time it was .15 as I jumped onto Fairview and got out of the area. She said that usually she charges .4 but because she "knew me" she was offering .3. I laughed again and squeaked up to .2 because I was pretty horny and she swallowed that (pun intended).
Once again, the girl had a rough attitude but pretty good technique. We got parked and I got all over her rack. After she slipped on the raincoat, I told her just to DT the kielbasa and hold it in her mouth while she played with the boys for a while. She asked for more money and I asked her if she wanted to walk back, so she was obedient from that point on. She actually did an okay job warming me up and then I let her start the main even, and her head went a-bobbin'. She made even more noise than last time. I knew she was faking it hard, but I didn't care that much and it felt really good. Her mouth is soft and she keeps her teeth out of the way. Really wet with tons of spit, but she doesn't drool or anything. Clearly she has spoken a hell of a lot of French in her young life, and she gave me more time than the last quick lesson on the highway. Fast finish with a lot of good hard hand pumping after the moment of truth. I took her right back to the park and she left without a word. I didn't have much to say either at that point. ;)
So, no name, no digits, but another picture (see below). Sh*tty attitude at times, but overall L/A/S of 7/4/7. In hindsight, I should have held the line at .15, but I think my extra evened out her bad attitude a little. If you are firm with her, this one will get the job done right, but don't take any of her bullsh*t.
Hope you like the picture.
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky... -- Jimi
Jimi Hendrix
06-15-04, 23:13
Late Report: Mandy (AMP/AAA) 5-29
On Saturday night, May 29th, starting at about 5:30PM, I had the very best date I have _ever_ had in almost 9 years at the hobby in Seattle. ;)
After an absolutely sh*tty cruise from all the way up Aurora from Denny Park to 105th and back without a single sighting except for the skankiest of skanky redhead WSWs @ 87th, I was preparing to jump off southbound 99 at Denny when in the distance I spied a slender young girl with sandy hair waiting at the bus stop a few blocks north of the offramp, who I thought might be sometime-escort Allison, as that is one of her usual spots when she turns to the street. It wasn't her, but I turned off anyway and did a quick loop of the AMP/AAA area west of Aurora. Damn glad I did!
That was when I saw the very beautiful Mandy, hanging out right in front of AAA on 6th, three bocks north of Denny. Even dressed down in swish pants and a tight black T-shirt, Mandy is a hottie, WSW, just turned _22_(!), 5'9", tall and slender (a perfect size 9) but with nice curves, perfect, pert B-cup breasts, shortish ash blonde hair tied up, blue eyes, high cheekbones, angel face, bright smile. Easily a 9 (if not a 10, which she is as far as I'm concerned) on the street scale. She caught my eye and gave me a nod as I drove by. I tried not to take out any pedestrians as I made the world's fastest one-block loop and pulled over to claim her...
She tossed her smoke, hopped right in the car, and introduced herself, and she put my hand in her pants to do the Aurora handshake before we had driven even one block. She did everything with ease, respect, and good energy -- without the typical SW's false toughness or hard sales attitude. She let me cop a feel up top, too (no bra -- full little rack but doesn't need one!), and I knew I was in for a very good time. She offered CBJ for .4, FS for .6, and 1/2 & 1/2 for .8. I normally pride myself on getting really good bargain basement street action here in Seattle, and normally I drive a hard bargain, but suddenly the money in my pocket was seeming much less important than spending some serious quality time with this street-corner angel...
As we drove we calmly negotiated a full hour of whatever I wanted with multiple pops for .8, along with several of certain extras I wanted to fulfill my personal kinks, which I promised not to mention to anyone specifically at Mandy's request. (Please note that I had some additional items I gave her in trade, things she needed that I had at my place, all of little monetary value but useful to her, so take that into account if you try to get similar service and wind up paying a little more -- she's worth it! Be a little generous and treat her with respect, and you'll get more than your money's worth.)
Mandy was not a clock watcher either, and in truth I think she happily gave me some extra time because I treated her gently and with respect. Let me just say up front that this girl was a total sweetheart, and she complied 100% with every fantasy I could think of in the moment. She even can up with a few on her own! ;)
I should mention here that Mandy is only a part-timer. She has been visiting Seattle up from Portland for the last four weeks, apartment-hopping between friends and acquaintances. She won't be around for too much longer, I am sad to say. She strolls AMP/AAA exclusively and is a "one and done" kind of working girl: she does one date and then gets the hell out of Dodge, so keep your eyes open for this one, because she's a very special limited-time offer...
We got to my place and Mandy's clothes were hitting the floor almost before I could lock the front door. She found the bed and flopped down, inviting me over. Mandy has a beautiful face and a really nice smile that puts you at ease. She has ten small tattoos on various parts of her body, and she started by giving me the full tour. Then she spent time touching herself and touching me. She masturbated (very sexy!) and talked to me for a little while, undressing me as she showed me what a nice wet, tight kitty she had. (Trimmed, too.)
The first pop was a wonderful long, slow BJ that started off incredibly soft and wound its way through peaks and valleys to a fast-paced finish. Her hand action during the pauses and massage of the boys during the oral action was about the best I have ever experienced. She had some special finger action from underneath that no one had ever tried on me and it only made a good thing (the BJ) even better. Mandy is apparently blessed with a bottomless throat, and both her DT excellent. She tasted the big kielbasa and took it all the way down. She even had the ability to hold it down in there, which I love. Never gagged once, even when I forced it a little. She took the shot like a champ. Mmmm mmmm good. ;)
She was all smiles after the first pop and ready for the main course. She started in again with the masturbation show which got me recovered in no time flat. Then she HJ'd me back to stiffness, popped on a fresh raincoat and CBJ'd me some more. She was still taking her time, and we'd already passed the better part of an hour. Still stroking me, she turned around on the bed and got on all fours, showing me her beautiful kitty and slipping in a finger, inviting me to play. I indulged and then flipped her over, wet and ready, for the main course.
We started off missionary. Man, she was wet and tight. She smelled perfectly clean all over, and her skin and flesh had that wonderful softness and firmness that only young girls have. "Push it in me," she whispered in my ear. I was happy to oblige. The first stroke was a struggle, but after that I was in heaven. We started kissing (which I almost never do with SWs or even escorts). Her lips were soft and sweet, and there was a priceless innocence to her whole attitude which I'll never forget. It was more like doing an innocent teenager than some hardened street girl. Simply incredible...
From the moment I entered her, it was 100% GFE: easy, relaxed, mutually gratifying, steamy-hot FS. Mandy caressed my body, pumped her hips, and talked to me sweetly as I had my way with her. I gave it to her slow and then hard, slow and hard again, and she just sighed and smiled. She ran her nails gently over my back and moaned with pleasure, and she just kept getting wetter. I could feel her put the squeeze on me down there too, very talented. I liked the way she whispered and encouraged me the whole way -- I don't even think she was laying it on thick.
I did Mandy in varying versions of missionary for something like twenty minutes and finished with a crushing orgasm. We laid there for a long while afterward, just kissing and cuddling before we finished by taking care of my "to-do" list of extra kink item by item.
Mandy actually _thanked_ me and kissed me sweetly when we said goodbye. She was very generous with her time and her spirit, an she provided a wonderful experience from start to finish. L/A/S all in the 9-10 range!
I will post a couple of discreet pictures -- just because her body deserves to be appreciated -- but I want to preserve her anonymity and keep her safe from LE, so no face shots or other easy identifiers. What a doll! If I never see her again, I honestly hope she has a good life. If you hook up with her before she leaves, count yourself lucky and treat her right. I had better not hear that anyone on this list did wrong by this sweet girl. :(
We should wish they were all like this one...
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky... -- Jimi
Jimi Hendrix
06-15-04, 23:14
Mandy, hot young WSW, just turned 22, 5'9", tall and slender (a perfect size 9) with nice curves, beautiful B-cup breasts, short blonde hair, blue eyes, high cheekbones, angel face, bright smile, easily a 9 if not a 10!
Another picture, beautiful breasts, graceful back and neck...
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky... -- Jimi
Jimi Hendrix
06-15-04, 23:15
Mandy, hot young WSW, just turned 22, 5'9", tall and slender (a perfect size 9) with nice curves, beautiful B-cup breasts, short blonde hair, blue eyes, high cheekbones, angel face, bright smile, easily a 9 if not a 10!
Another picture, great tits, toned middle, but still soft...
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky... -- Jimi
Jimi Hendrix
06-15-04, 23:15
Mandy, hot young WSW, just turned 22, 5'9", tall and slender (a perfect size 9) with nice curves, beautiful B-cup breasts, short blonde hair, blue eyes, high cheekbones, angel face, bright smile, easily a 9 if not a 10!
Another picture... Wouldn't you like to be in _there_?!
Damn right you would. ;)
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky... -- Jimi
New red head at Redondo. 19yo, easy going, good body, great BJ. She does not have cell number. I will call her contact number in a few days and see.
Brethren:
It's morning again, and about time I made some notes about recent explorations.
A couple weeks ago porgie thought he saw Brandi on Beacon Hill. I've scouted several times in the area of 14th & Massachusetts; actually, 14th and 15th from Jose Rizal Bridge to Graham Street. Lots of frumpy little sweethearts, but no Brandi. Actually, some of the frumps look too young to be safe.
So I drive around. Remember our discussion about 15th Northwest? About 5:00 Tuesday I spotted a possible on the east side of 15th NW at NW 70th, standing in front of the nail shop.
By the way, there are a hell of a lot of nail shops on 15th NW.
Anyway, I circle and come back on 70th. She looks everywhere except at me. I just wait. She strolls over, asks if I can give her a ride. Oh, yeah! She's 23, calls herself Michelle (don't they all?), about 5'4", wears hornrimmed glasses, maybe 130 pounds, very nice rack, a solid D+, dark brown shoulder-length hair, a bit of curl.
She tells me she's a part-timer; after an opening offer of .8, we agree on .5 for 1/2 & 1/2. We find a suitably private spot (courtesy of Seattle Parks Dept.--It's the time of year for doin' it in the woods) and she does the first 1/2 bb; she does it so well, I'm thinking of just... No, I must finish the task for the sake of the Board! So the raincoat goes on. She's amply wet; not too tight, not too loose. A very no-rush mish experience. Then she shows me that at some point in her life she really worked to please a t-man: She pushes those nice smooth boobs up a couple of times, like shaky warm Jell-o, and the T-man squirts his best.
Whew! So much fun on a workday! She tells me, no digits, she doesn't live alone. Hmm. Asks me to drop her off at 15th NW and NW 85th, so I do.
T-man
Member #2978
06-16-04, 13:36
Michael1967 -
Just a quick note RE: the girl that mentioned the club downtown. I had heard a slew of radio ads (on Leykis, perhaps) about that club a few weeks ago. It was named Club Elegance, or some such. Sounded like a pretty tame place, with the draw being the combination of alcohol and dancing skanks in Seattle. Just wanted to let you know that her story was probably at least based in legitimacy.
Lapamaniac
Mr Peepers, Great pictures of the infamous Carmen. Keep up the good work!
But the pics should come with a warning. Notice the dried up scabs and sores on and near her breasts and on her face. It's not too noticable from the pictures but quite apparent when you're with her, even though she wears a ton of make up to cover it up. Those are herpes sores in various stages of healing.
Also notice the long sleeve shirts she always wears, even in the summer. Her arms are so torn up from shooting dope it would make you cringe.
Carmen has a great attitude and personality but be careful and always suit up and realize that condoms don't help a lot against herpes. She has a pretty face and gives good service but she is 100% Denny Park. Civ
Dirt McGirt
06-16-04, 16:17
Sunday morning went out to buy a digital camera so I could take so pics of the family that was visiting. Well I got the camera and had a little time and money to spare. So I decided I would go on a cruse even though I wasn't really expecting anything at almost noon on sunday. I cruised from 196th all the way down to 85th on 99 without seeing any thing so I headed back up north. I spotted a okay looking asian women that was walking against taffic at about 175 or so. She gave me a smile and looked back at me when I past her so I decided to pursue. I took the right turn and cut her off about five blocks away. she comes running up to my window and I tell her to meet me a couple of blocks away because I don't wanna get caught. So she meets me do the back roads that I told her but it to forever her for to get and was kind of pouting. she gets in my car and says that she is new at this and doesn't really do this she is just working off some debts that she has to a local gang. I don't know if I believe that or not. I should have drop her ass off after that. But I had to find out more about this women plus she was asian and I have a thing for asian women. She said that her name was Hope. She said she was from california. Anyway we settled for cbj for twenty. She was pretty good good and after we were done I asked her how much would you charge for sex. She says for me it will be free since as long as I give her a ride back to aurora. I say okay. She was really tight with a nice trim bush and nice medium size tits.
I was able to get her to pose for me. She says she will be in town for 6 months and really needs money. she gave me her number and told me to give it to my friends. Only problem with hope is she has a really bad accent and sometimes hard to understand. I am willing to trade numbers for hers.
GettingTang
06-16-04, 16:58
dirt mcgirt,
I suppose you keep a bed, bedspread and pillow in you car for a possible escape on your return home from buying a digital camera.
The photo is a copy, i have seen it numerous times before. Nice try.
Tang~!
Oh shit!.. someone got bopped in a lie!!....shame,shame,shame:(
What a sucker I am!
I just offered a trade with the dude!
Later,
Calvis
HaHaHa, Tang! I was just about to write the same thing, then I went back to the picture so I could comment on the color of the sheets and saw your post. Too funny!
I almost forgot but here goes: I was walking out of the new Tower Records on University Ave just north of 45th when a young gal asked me if I wanted a date. She caught me off guard and I noticed a young black male about 30 feet away keeping an eye on her so I just said no thanks.
She looked to be about 19, slim, brunette and not your typical "Ave Rat". She was about a six and I would have picked her up had I been on Aurora and in mongering mode.
This was Monday night about 6:30 pm. Civ
Dirt McGirt
06-16-04, 17:37
Sorry, I forgot tell that the pic that I took of was erased in attempt to save my butt at home. So I put up a pic that resemble her. I thought that I wrote that in there but as I look and see it isn't in there but like I said I have her number.
Sorry for that guys I didn't proofreed my post. Anyway that's what happened with the pic situation.
Michael1967
06-16-04, 17:59
Fremont Guy:
I occasionally read the "other board" that caters to escorts. I don't like the people on there because they seem to have a truly elitist attitude. I find it hilarious because they believe that because they paid $200-$300 an hour for a girl, the quality of girl they get is better than a $50 SW (currently there are girls out there that charge about $80-$100 that are far superior than most escorts out there). Any guy that has really been in this hobby awhile knows that this is not the case. What made it even funnier is that about a week ago a woman advertised for $2500 an hour and they were all shocked that she would charge that much. Not one of them said she must be better quality because she charged more.
I learned this trick awhile ago in my business. I have two business names and licenses. I market one business to wealthier clients and charge them 4-5 times what I normally charge. What is the difference between the service I offer the wealthier clients and the cheaper ones? About $800, that's it.
Also, I hate the way the women on there act as if they are doing the guys a favor by letting them pay $200-300 to have sex with them. Some won't book shorter appointments because they need time to get "in the mood". I would expect that earning a few hundred dollars for an hour of work would get them in the mood rather quickly.
Michael,
What I find funny is many of the girls we see adverise as escorts. I used to see this girl Dawn. I met her at Denny. She me charged 1/3 of what she was asking and getting from the guys who would respond to her internet ad. She would come to my house with toys and outfits.
Hi there,
I am new here but will start my mongering again as the family will be out of town for 1 month. However, I need to share a story with you guys. Last year I picked up a BSW she was very nice. One thing that I always do (since being ripped off) is hide my wallet. When this chick jumped in my SUV she wanted some outlandish price. I think it was $80 for a blow job. I said no way, that $20 was my price for a BJ. She agreed and we pulled into this alley way off Aurora. And I pulled down my shorts. She kept making demands about how to position myself which I though was odd. What she was really doing was getting in the right position to pickpocket me.
When I found out was she was really doing. I got pissed and told her that I was going take her back where I found her. When I was back on Aurora I told her to get her ass out. However, she would not get out of the car. We were at a stop light and she started blowing my horn and yelling out the window that I was trying to rape her. She said she was under aged and that really freaked me. I though if the police came I would be screwed.
She finally got out my car, but that whole ordeal scared the shit out of me. So bad, that I have been out of the hobby for 1 year. Now I am thinking if I should go to the thrift store and buy a used wallet and stick some monopoly money in it.
Later,
Calvis
Mr Peepers
06-17-04, 01:06
Yes Civ2000 to a reply about the carmen, everything was on a the cbj and mostly photoshoot, aka taking pictures of her ! I didnt want a bad impression when we were together except she was happy about poseing for a pictures. Too many people talk about her alot and wonder when and where she is ? I don't know personally her wereabouts ? But the real deal is there is alot of carmen averages quality downtown and that is sad for some mongers who want better looks and price. There is one new girl that has connections to other working girls but I do not have alot money at the moment to afford all of them. If some mongers pay 1-1.5 + for less than a working girls time then great and good for them ! As for alot of us lower average mongers looking to keep it under .5 or less, good luck ! Hopefully someone has the pleasure of knowing the other girl I posted in the last week or so. That is my contributation until next time and gas at 2-2.5+ there isn't alot cruising alot for me.
Fremont Guy
06-17-04, 02:07
Wed night 10pm
I was hungry and drove to BK for Whopper. Then I drove south on Aurora and saw Mandy (aka Roxy) near AM/PM on 85th. This is not the same Mandy that Jimi Hendrix mentioned on 6/15 post. She's 19, reddish brown hair, 5-6, 130lbs with B cup. I have met her before about a month ago at the same place. She got into my car and then went to look for a spot to play. I wasn't prepare to play so I only had $20 in my wallet. She wanted $40 for BBBJ, so I asked her to give me a HJ instead. Then she told me she has a vibrator and she will use that. So we found a spot and started playing, she took off her pants completely and start using the vib on herself while giving me a HJ. I'm done with the business not long after and she was still enjoying with her toy. I helped out by two finger her. She still hasn't come after 20 mins . She said she has stage fright , so she asked me to start driving while she continues with her business. I told her I would only drive on the residential area coz it's too obvious with her half naked and two legs sticking up in my car. After another 20 mins she finally came. She was one crazy girl.
FG
Fremont Guy
06-17-04, 03:30
Michael,
Beside what you said I also don't agree of what the mods do at that board. They always favor some provider or try to protect the price the provider charges. Once I mentioned something about the high prices the provider charges my post was deleted in less than 30 mins. I wonder what kind of incentive the mod get for doing the provider a favor.
FG
Civ2000:
Thanks for the post on the U District. I've recently had a couple of counselling sessions with a young lady who works out of the bubble tea place north of 45th, helping with her education.
It's not easy making a living as an SW with cop cars all around, but they do.
About pimps, you know it takes all kinds of people to make a world. During my earlier years I knew two Seattle pimps very well: Ozell Freeney, who probably treated his girls better than any; and Bob King, who was the opposite. Ozell died about ten years ago from complications of diabetes, cared for to the end by a group of his former working girls. The last I heard of King, he was in Walla Walla wondering why he was always getting hasseled.
Someday I'll post a report about them. And, Michael 1967, I read the Iceberg Slim book. It was just goofy enough to be true. The interesting parts were reading between the lines.
T-Man
I had to make a late night airport run on Wed night and decided to make a run on Aurora. Not much going on, but I did see lots of LE. Then I took a stroll to the AAA and saw three girls walking together, but I couldn't tell if they were walking for walking sakes, or just teaming up so tha LE would not bother them. This was about 2:00AM. After that - I said screw it and went on home.
Dirt McGirt
06-17-04, 14:31
Speaking of pimps, why is it that well known pimps never or hardly get jail time. I mean look and bishop Don Juan who is always with snoop dogg and has said he is a pimp and all that on nation tv and yet people envy him when he is doing the same thing that every lower level pimp has done.
Another thing is although I have never see that girl carmen in real life only on the board I would touch that chick with a ten foot pole not even if I knew I was gonna die in ten minutes, sure she is cute on street walker standards but dawn she looks like a walking disease and anyone that goes bareback with her is a fool.
Sure maybe a large percent of the streetwalker we go with have something or another, but this has been pointed out and seen from Mr Peepers pics. All in all stay safe.
One more thing did anyone she the bsw today around 135 and aurora. she was nice with a tight summer dress on and bubble butt. she was real cute but she looked like she had aditude and that usaully spells nothing but trouble. The time was about 10:30 this morning. also school will be getting out in less than a week from now so watch for the youngs ones that are strollin trying to make money for summer vacation. Be safe.
colnago, is the dawn you're referring to the gal with the huge tits that used to cruise the aaa/amp stroll in her (blue or red i forget now) kia sportage suv? she used to be one of my favorites and i haven't seen her in over a year now. has anyone seen her lately either on the stroll or on a escort website? if titman got a look at those jugs he'd think he'd died and gone to heaven.
calvis, that's a scary story especially for a newby. if she had been **** you probably would have been screwed. if i had caught her trying to rip me off i would have tossed her on the spot. sw's are like dogs -- they can smell fear. that's why the new guys get ripped off more often. if you're at all nervous or indecisive they look at you as a mark.
i always hide the wallet and keep an extra twenty and change in easy reach just in case i want to bargain for some extras. one of my favorites is to offer .05 for ws right as i'm about to blow. civ
p. s. just saw a blurb on the tv about a prostitution/massage parlor bust or something that will be on channel 7 @ 11 tonight.
Michael1967
06-17-04, 22:50
Dirt,
On pimps:
I think when you look at people that are "famous" especially in the rap world, you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. The rappers that I met back in my music days were about as non-theatening as they come (I do have to mention, I was never into gangsta rap). Remember Vanilla Ice? He claimed he was from the streets and later we find out that he grew up in a middle class family. MC Hammer was always a sort of religious nut, but after he went bankrupt he tried to make a comeback as a tough, hardcore rapper. Snoop Dogg has been clean for several years now, but people still believe him to be a hardcore pot smoker.
Bishop Don Juan retired from being a pimp in 1985 when he "found God". He says that now he is "pimpin for the Lord", but he uses he street cred to get him places in the rap world. He now encourages people to be pimps...but get this...only if their source of income is selling drugs or violent crime (this is my interpretation, someone may get something else from it). I would almost guarantee that if anyone checked his background (which is nearly impossible) they would find out in the past he was nothing like he made himself out to be.
While I have not had the apparent good luck and pleasures of Jimi Hendrix, and a few others lately, I have a few things to report:
There seems to be an increasing number of apparent new(er) SW's, mainly in the North Aurora area, that won't negotiate on their escort-level prices, offer very limited service for the price, and some have quite the attitude. Keep hanging tough on prices guys, and they may be forced to change their ways or get out of Dodge. The ones I have encountered did not have any pimps visible, and appear to be independant. I had one who wanted $100 for missionary only, NOTHING else, and tried the tired old song that it's the going price on the street!
I hooked up with a new one (to me), named Alison (not Goth), on Wed. night, near the 'caine. She may be the same one Whoami dated recently. She is about 5'4" or so, 25, short, dyed dark red hair, B-cup with nice nipples, and HWP. She said she is originally from Ohio. Claims she is a one-date-and-I am-gone-for-today girl. 1/2 and /12 with DATY for .5 She is an H-user, but despite a few tell-tale body signs, was very clean and well mannered-- but don't get her started talking politics unless you can keep up.
She was not a GFE, and in fact was somewhat rushed, and could have been more enthusiastic, but I sensed that might improve with more encounters.
She has a really cute face, and decent figure overall, by my standards--what she lacks in breast size, she makes up for in curvy hips and nice butt. She would be OK for the $ if you had few other options. I would date her again to see if she could do better.
Civ,
Thats the one. I spent many a paycheck on her. I was one of her first dates when she started in the biz.
I was crusing north of Denny and saw nothing around 9:00 last nite (6/17). When I passed the Cane going south I saw a dark hair thin WSW at the bus stop, I hung a quickie left and stopped. She came around the corner and hoped in.
Raquel very thin and no tits. We drove to a secluded parking lot near So. Lake Union to do the deed.
She wanted .4 for a BJ and I countered with .25. She gave a fine BBBJCIM then spit what little she didn't drink out the door.
Dropped her off near westlake and 7th.
This, the newbie sw who thinks she is a pro, happens every year. Like uncut says, we hold are line and let them know we are the pros at this. Last year, I had some great service from the Miami trio after you guys set them straight. They are in this to make money. If they think they can charge 100.00 for bj, they will. Speaking of overpriced with poor technique sw, I saw Peachs out. Man she was looking good. However, I still remember her poor performance. Thurs there was a fair amount of action on Aurora in the afternoon. I am more of a night guy due to the fact that I do not have tinted windows.
Uncut, The girl you describe is Goth Alison. She must have had her piercings out and was not wearing her usual black. She is a nice gal and always pleasant to deal with. I'd be a little careful with the DATY however as she's offered me bbfs more times than I can count on both hands. She's a one date and done SW unless she doesn't get enough to support her H habit for the day--then she's a 2 or 3 date and done SW. BTW, I just love those little titties of hers. Everytime we do a date even if its just bbbj, I usually spend about 5 to 10 minutes sucking those little beauties and give her an extra 10 for the pleasure.
Last night I hit the stroll and found it to be quite dead except for AAA Alison wearing a pretty blue dress and a young HSW working the old Denny's area.
Guys, good work in helping keep prices down. Let's keep the summer girls in check. I sure hope the Miami trio comes back for an encore. I want to date that one gal (Mandy?) with the big ass again.
Colnago, Man do I miss Dawn. I've blown numerous paychecks on her as well. I used to joke with her that I was the one who bought her that SUV with all the dates we used to have.
Civ
Thanks to Civ2k for the clarification and literally a "heads up" on Alison. I wondered if she may have been the goth, but she had no piecerings, except some nice belly button jewelry, and she was in regular jeans and a white top.
Right-O about the nips. Nice size and shape to twirl the tongue around and suck.
I would still prefer Carmen among that crowd, (like everyone else), but have only hooked up with her once. Still in search of the Jimi Hendrix Experience (excuse the pun).
A few weeks ago I was in Tacoma. I was suppose to meet a sw there for a room date(Remember those days in Tacoma when the girls would provide a room.), but she, I found later on, got busted, so I picked up this bbw sw because she had a pretty face, she was tan, and her boobs kept falling out of her blouse. We get to talking and she says she knows me. I could not remember. She then says I dated her when she was 15 and thinner(She is now 20, I checked). I then remmebered her. Although, she did not look 15, that would not have made a bit of difference ar my trail. If they do not look thirty, check their ID
Dirt McGirt
06-18-04, 19:19
Hhopefully nobody here was involved in the two massage parlors that got busted the other day. Cruised 99 yesterday and was suprised that I didn't see anything nice out. maybe I had bad timing. Anyway it's hotter than the devils drawls out. so I will go check later on tonight and hope to get some action.
Brethren:
Colnago and Civ, I'm still pining over missing Dawn last summer. Damn! I read on the board that she gave up the trade and was working a straight job now. Damn!
But I want to say something about the U District. I won't write much, because I know LE covers the U District like a bad smell. As I noted earlier, and as Civ2000 noted, there is some activity, but it requires more patience than a drive-by. The good news is that the quality is generally better. I note that a few pimps are trying their girls out there (This is an old, old Seattle tradition, which is part of the reason LE watches so closely. If a girl can blend in with the U District, she can blend in anywhere.
There are a few places to keep an eye on: Any indoor place where a lot of people congregate to socialize, like the bubble tea shops or coffee shops. Otherwise, just stroll up and down U-Way slowly and keeping your eyes and ears open. Frankly, I spend a lot of time in the U District, partly for the memories, and partly for the feeling of what mongering must have been like in the USSR.
At the other end of town, South Park seems to be coming back to life after a slow period, and East Marginal is still there if skankiness is tolerable. Of course, at 4:00 a.m. my skank factor goes way down.
And my explorations on Beacon Hill go on. Like porgie, I note that things seem to close up early there, although activity in the 14th/15th Aves South area continues at a low level; lots of skank, lots of pimps, and way too many very young providers. There seem to be an unusual number out every Spring and, as Colnago notes, at your trial it won't matter that she "looked 18".
T-Man
Colnago,
I believe the tradition of which you speak continues, at least among the ladies who reside among the Sad Trees.
T-Man
Report first then on my soap box.
Elli, 6/17/ 90th & 99, Very nice, bbbjcim, 25, great service, got to play with all the goddies. Dress nice smelled great. Will see again saturday, fs. Have # for senior members. You guys judge how she looks. A guy will pick up phone, but is cool, she sayes it her brother in law, husband in the can. What ever, nice gal though.
Now soap box, it was about 6 pm. She was stoping traffic, guys where crossing from other side, doing U turns. Stoping right on main drag of 99. She seen me pull around the block and stop well back from corner. She walked pass two other cars park on 99, one old nut pulled in front of her. She just walked around his car, down the street to mine. Anyways, as I pull out a cop is slowing down to see why the traffic jam. Spots me, pulling out with Elli in jeep. He just looked me over, we pulled in and got a coke at drive in. He never pulled me over, but I bet he got my plate number. Have to drive a different car now , for a while at least. I hope no one from this board is that DUMB. No traffic jams.
Bob, Be safe
OK, Second picture of elli.
Here is my latest find. She is a model and agreed to pose for me for free. Just to see if there was any interest.
Diana
5' 3"
110 lbs
34DD
I have noticed a couple of girls on Beacon Hill. However, action may be there one day and gone for weeks. Aways on 14th Ave S. from Amazon.com south to the junction near the 2 gas stations. Especially near the Asian Espress store and the bus stop corner of 14th S and College. Also, now and then a gem down in Chinatown. No special time of day. Usually somewhere on King St. or Weller, sometimes on Dearborn Street. Between 12th Ave S. west to around 5th Ave S. I have seen Trish down there a couple of times recently usually around King St. and Weller near 10th Ave S. She dyed her hair from blonde to a darker shade. She is a little gem.
Calvis,
Last summer there was at least one posting about a BSW on Aurora that was doing the bait and switch. I remember these from around the same time that I was ripped off by Mari Wilson (or Mauri as I have seen it spelled).
The extra wallet is a good idea. No need to confront the SW over the theft of a dummy wallet.
I think that it's important to remember that if a SW is brazen enough to rip you off there's a chance she's got a knife with her. Mari left hers in my car. I still think that if she felt she needed to use it she would have.
Anyone remember the Hill Street Blues where the prostitute murders the cop as he's trying to bust her? I must have been 11 or 12 when I saw that for the first time and it's stuck with me since then.
It appears that my original posting on the subject of Mari Wilson has been deleted. Does anyone know if Jackson or others clean up the board without telling members?
Keep it covered,
i25
Captain Pi
06-19-04, 01:47
Not that I've ever tried out the WA state scene (too risky, I limit myself to LPIN and Japan where LE seems to turn a blind eye to many places), but I saw this story yesterday about two busts in Bellevue.
See http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001959112_prostitution18e.html
Be careful everyone.
Friday Night Report: 11:00 P. M. Temperature in the low seventies. The mongering should be awesome but it wasn't. Perhaps I was an hour or so too early.
I did see a couple of young BSW's in the AAA area. After reading Colnago's report I was hesitant to stop. I was about to enter the tunnel southbound when I saw something on the eastside of Aurora so I made the Denny Street u-turn.
I circled the block and this fox walks up to my driver's side window wearing nothing but a short tank top, high heels, and purple panties. WOW!
She asked me if I wanted anything but since I don't negotiate out the window I said no thanks. She turned around and shook her pantied ass at me and said, "are you sure"? I broke my own rule and offered the lass a ride. I'm a sucker for a hot ass wearing nothing but panties.
It was Kathi whom is mentioned often on this board. I've picked her up myself but didn't recognize her. Boy did she look hot. I negotiated FS for .60 and broke my 2nd rule about mongering in my new truck. Oh well, it's broken in now.
Speaking of weapons, I found a chop stick sharpened to a fine point next to the passenger seat a couple of months ago. That wouldn't have felt too good.
Get out there and monger guys while the weather is hot!
Civ2000
Nico
She gets plenty of interest from me!
I've been checking out the FedWay area. There seems to be a lot of new faces but when I'm in the position to partake and not just observe, they go into hiding. Today for example was a very warm day and figured there would be droves of SW's on the strip. WRONG!! Maybe I got there a little too early or a little too late. I will check again tommorrow. At the Redondo Grill, does anyone know "Shantae"? Does she work or just a patron? She is a light-skinned Afro-American lady. About 21 years old, long hair. Real pretty. Anyway, I'll try again later.
Be safe - not sorry
Rook
Nico
The pictures are great, just wondering if the subject is a body builder? The arms and shoulders look quite wide and well muscled? Maybe it is the lighting?
Wambo
Was driving in White Center minding my open business. Was on the intersection of Roxbury and 17th Ave SW when 3 girls knocked on my window, definately SW material. However it was 2pm and I did not have the balls to do it in bright daylight. As I pulled away another monger swooped all three of them. One of them looked high. Anyhow I did not know that there was a scene at White Center.
I was out near the AAA at about 4:00am and saw 4-5 bsw. Allison was up at the bridge near the video store.
sean_double
06-19-04, 15:00
Hey Nico, Nice pictures! Heck yes, I'll add my interest, she looks great.
Re: Porgie's post regarding activity on Beacon Hill and in particular 14th Ave. S. and College around the Asian Express store. There is a women's work release facility on 13th Ave. SW a block away. Sometimes a resident will need a little extra cash and a quick car date is a dangerous, but good way to make a few bucks. I picked up a pretty good looking twenty something black girl on 14th last summer and negotiated a BBBJCIM for .15. She said that they usually have an hour and a half to get to their job and another hour and a half to get back to check in, so they sometimes have a little extra time on the loose.
A note of caution though; most of these girls have just come off a stretch at Purdey for some pretty good reasons.
Cheers,
Sean
Her arms and shoulders are muscular. I don't know if she lifted before ,but I do know she is all woman.
It is still early yet, but I think last year, was much better as far as cute, young summer talent goes. LE wasn't as crazy and the out of towners were hot.
bigfun5145
06-19-04, 19:50
Did a cruise heading north Aurora 6/19 around 11:00am. Saw one nice blonde in white pants around Lowes. I was tempted watchin her walk slowly south in my mirrors while I waited at the light at 130th. The LE slipped by quickly in the suicide lane, did a U turn and hid behind some parked cars and watched her.
When the light turned, I kept going. There were to more by KMart, one real looker in white top and pants by KMart. I was kinda spooked, so I just keep going.
All three looked more like the escort type hitting the streets. Does anyone knows a bit more on the two in white?
Civ2000, thanks for the report on Kathi. I was passing thru there about 12:30 and saw her; really spectacular. I had, however, just dropped Sparkle off at a bus stop downtown and was not -- er-- recharged. But, yeah, she was strolling along in a pair of purple panties.
Speaking of Sparkle, she is working her old route around Winona and tells me she also works Everett occasionally, although I haven't seen her reported on that board. She still has her pleasant personality, but she has chunked up a bit (anyone who has bought her a meal at BJMaster knows why) and, I regret to report, her CBJ style hasn't followed a rapid learning curve.
But there was a mystery on Aurora Friday about 5:00 p.m. I was driving northbound on Aurora when I spotted a girl on the east side at about 90th, walking slowly southbound. She was about 30, wearing a very tight red and white striped top which displayed an ample rack, and a very, very, very short white skirt, and a pair of white "fuck me" shoes. I figured she'd get sniped quick, and I didn't have time, but I slowly circled back to 85th and around. She was still there, strolling souuthbound south of 87th. I figured, "Oh, hell, no time," and took off north. I came back southbound about twenty minutes later. There she was, walking northbound on the west side at about 90th. Several mongers pulled over; she ignored them (good pro move) and kept walking, so I circled back again. I found myself on 90th behind two other mongers, whom she waved off. She also waved me off.
Anybody have any idea what that was about? She was a rather plain looking WSW, shoulder-length brunette hair, but a magnificent rack and she was 100% dressed for the part.
T-Man
Just arrived in Seattle yesterday. Cruised Aurora and saw this one fat skank. Decided to head back and saw this older blonde around 30. She was about a 6 or so. Ok but not great looking so I decided to pass.
LE stopped the AAA party tonight. 3-4 cop cars clearedthe area ouy about 12:30 am.
Sat crusie report update:
Cruised Aurora saw 3 wsw's near the Marco Polo Hotel. The girls were being extremely picky for some reason I parked across the street near the video store. The did not approach, so I tried walking over to talk to them. Saw a 2 other chunky wsw's a few miles up near Fred Meyers I believe. Headed back down Aurora to Denny. The area was dead except for a bsw.
I saw this other possible wsw near Seneca st. I think she was talking to her pimp.
T-Man,
I saw the same one. I also saw the traffic jam she was causing. She had to have been working. But great rack, If anyone has had the experience, please post or PM. I was tempted to sample that.
As Always,
In A Rush
Hargow, Sorry your trip to Seattle hasn't treated you a little better. It's been kind of slim pickings out there lately. Instead of an influx of new talent as is the norm this time of year we seem to have lost a lot of the ones we already had. Colnago is right about not being as good as last year and last year was not nearly as good as the year before.
What time did you see those SW's by the Marco Polo? That area has been completely dead for a couple of years now and the fact they were being extremely picky (or perhaps the mongers being smart) makes me think possible sting. I have nothing but my gut to base this on but do know the management of the Marco Polo calls the cops as soon as they spot a SW.
I did a quick cruise this afternoon and saw nothing except an extremely cracked out skank at 5th and Bell who was twisting so hard she puts C-monster Jenn to shame even on her best day.
Civ2000
Brethern, Excuse the back to back posts but I had a thought about the lack of SW's and here it is:
Most of the SW's I talk to lately complain about how slow it is. I saw Christina dressed to the 9's a couple of weeks ago and she waited almost 30 minutes for a date.
Friday night I saw the hottest thing on two legs standing on Aurora and Thomas wearing nothing but panties when I was heading south. I got in the Denny u-turn lane (which is always a mistake) and had to wait through 3 light changes to turn. She was still there. Unbelievable. A couple of years ago the cars would have been 5 deep racing around the block to pick her up. Friday night -- no competition at all.
If Seattle gets the rep as a city where a solid 8 or 9 can stand practically naked on a street corner and not get picked up for 10 minutes the gals will go somewhere else.
IMHO, of course.
Civ
Michael1967
06-20-04, 16:57
The Rook,
Chante is the DJs girlfriend at the Redondo. One of the reason why they are stopping SWs from coming in the Redondo is that guys keep coming in and asking her "how much"?
I was out of town this weekend but looks like I didn't miss much. Absolutely no mongering in the San Juan Islands.
NorthSeattle
06-20-04, 17:58
I'm not sure if others have been doing aimless cruising along Aurora from Winona upto Aurora/145th Street but I've been surprised about all the mongers grabbing up the type of action that I wouldn't consider, and I'm not really that fussy.
Often the miscellaneous strollers who I classify as the 200 plus pound Queens haven't had to wait more the 15 minutes before they are scooped up. Most of the time they seem to be just strolling back and forth without anything happening, but not recently.
There was one slender attractive lady dressed in a 2 piece outfit that was lurking for only minutes before being scooped up, with her choice of 2/3 mongers waiting for her to make her decision. I actually watched while she turned 4 tricks in less then one hour. Initially I was interested, never got close enough to get a good look, but was turned of by her volume of sales. This was at 135/Aurora at 9:00 Pm on Friday.
Few other reasonable attractive ladies working in pairs were at the Bus Stop at 135/Aurora by Blockbuster at 8:00 PM Saturday but not moving their butts to be available. They were both picked up by Morons who actually stopped on Aurora, and waited for them to come to their car at a location thats visible to LE 24/7 by being able to be observed without being obvious. I've seen Blue Lights coming after those characters who thought they were invisible or got lucky.
One of the biggest put offs are woman who get so busy talking on their cell phones that they are oblivious to any attempts to catch their eye, only thing going in their favor is if they can get away with doing that they are independents not working for a pimp.
Theres been a Long Haired Blond who is always together with a Chubby Black Haired Woman with Glasses, who doesn't seem to be turning tricks but just hangs out with the Blond. They generally work from Aurora/100th to 102nd on the East Side of the Street. The Blond goes off with the dates and Glasses waits patiently. Anyone tried this duo ? They have been around for about 5 Months.
There even been several Grand Ma's along Aurora who seem to prefer the West side between 91 st up to 100th and back on Aurora and even they have been getting regular action.
This is the first weekend that I couldn't find anything available that I hadn't tried previously or was interesting. Tried 15th Ave and U district as well even drank a Bubble Tea.
Buy the way, if you EVER see any activity outside the Marco Polo Motel, IGNORE IT unless you want to get stung or have your license plates recorded. I know the principals and they have agreed to a NO TOLERANCE POLICY arrangement with all the merchants and community in the area.
North Seattle
Civ2000
I saw thiem around 12am. I believe....
Cruise report:
Cruised Aurora around 4pm. The action was really dead except for one bsw. Cruised on down to Aurora and Denny area. Saw this one thin brunette walking down from 7/11 at Auroa and Denny. I tried picking her up, but some other person got her.
Member #2973
06-21-04, 02:08
I was in Town on Friday about 6pm and decided to cruise Aurora . Saw 2 WSWs and a NASW in the first half mile, anbody recognize a WSW, brown hair kinda long, about 5'3"-5", 140 lbs, with aprox 42 DD and wearing a pink and white dress with a short skirt? She was hot but by the time I got turned around she was gone. Saw a couple more but headed to Ricks on Lake City Way instead, big mistake, day shift girls all gone and paid too much for lap dances. Is Friday a good day to cruise.
Sunday Report: At about 4 pm saw Michelle the one with glasses only she wasn't wearing them today with a dangerously young looking gal with her. This was at 272nd and Pac Highway. Stopped in at the Redondo Grill later about 9pm and chatted it up a bit. Michael, is Chante the fine-looking young bartender? If so she's quite the hottie.
Later hit the Aurora strolls and it was apparent LE was bored and looking for something to do. There was one marked car patroling Denny Park, another had a SW stopped at the AAA stroll with two more cop cars watching, another SW getting shaken down at the Aurora Donut shop and very little out to pick up. If you're reading this and thinking about taking a cruise on this warm Sunday night: save your gas money and go some other time. Civ
GettingTang
06-21-04, 03:05
Northseattle,
Here are some statistical facts you might consider:
There are far less SW these days due to stepped up LE then there was years ago and thanks to the likes of boards like this, adult book stores on every corner, porn all over the place in general, there are a lot more mongers looking to score!
I would guess there is per-capita 75% less SW then there was at the peak of the scene during the mid 80's and probably 500% more mongers ready to snatch up the few SWs left.
I remember strolls in San Diego and Seattle that had 10-12 girls on every corner! Now we look for hours to catch a glimpse of one or two.
I remember traveling to Vegas, just for the pussy! There used to be thousands of girls in the city on the streets looking for a date! Now Vegas is one of the worst cities in the world to monger, even worse then Salt Lake City!
So Northseattle, you're likely almost always going to get sloppy seconds, just a fact of life. Also, it amazes me how many of you guys get these girls to give you BBBJ for $25 or under. I have not had a trick for under $50 in years!
TANG~!
TANG~!
Sounds like you are a little frustrated. Your "statistical facts" are not facts. In your post you go on to say you are guessing. So I guess you realize this?
I have lived in a number of metropolitan areas, Las Vegas being one of them. Seattle has a pretty good selection of providers, all things considered. The prices are quite low here for street providers. While it may not be as good as you remember from " the good old days". I think it is very much in step with modern times.
I can remember a summer in San Jose Cailfornia when there was an unexplained influx of street providers in the area, maybe up to 75 providers in a 16 square block area from sunset to sunrise. The traffic was so high the LE could not cope. I remember parking behind a black and white waiting for him to finish so I could talk to an outstanding provider!
Things change, they are not predictable.
Las Vegas is, and always has been one of the easiest places to find available women. Try any local bar off the strip ( say, Jones Rd. ) after 2AM. Any single women you see are looking for something, you just need to find out what it is.
I guess my point is that this is a city based on the gold rush era. And there is still a certain amount of that "supply what ever they want" mentality here. We have it pretty good, the do gooders are still a minority, although a vocal minority.
Sorry for the long post, but comparing Las Vegas to Salt Lake City stands my hair on end! Nothing personal by any means.
Wambo
Tang,
I'm sorry to agree with you, but I think that starting about 1985 or so the hobby started to fold and, despite last year being "good", it was "good" by 1995 standards.
LE is part of it, but in Seattle I can come up with several reasons. Union and Pike Streets, for example, used to have small retail stores and restaurants with sleezy apartments upstairs. So during the heyday of the Pike Street stroll when (you are absolutely right on) there would be 10-12 girls on each corner, 250 to 500 spread out between First and Sixth on Pike, they usually lived upstairs in one-room apartments. Over the years I've gotten to know a few girls who were around then. I knew one who started at 16 and made two months' rent her first night (She did work pretty hard, had a great bod, and loved the trade).
But then came the great retail renewal, and now Pike is a goddamn canyon. Another thing to thank Marty Selig for.
I'm also not sure the numbers of SWs have dropped all that much. There are fewer reliable providers, but a LOT of part-timers, and some purely localized girls who may be "the ho" for guys in a three block, or four block, or whatever, radius. For example, I haven't seen her for a while, but do a search for reports on "Kaye" on the board. I've never seen her outside about a four-block area of Ballard. Or "Meshelle" in the Central Area; she knows all her clients and stays in about five blocks on 23rd.
T-Man
Tight Grip
06-21-04, 15:04
Went out last night for a leisurely drive along the most cruised parts oa aurora. I saw the same young looking girl civ 2000 saw hanging with Michelle. I stopped and chatted for a second but she was extremely nervous approaching the car and talking. I asked her if she needed a ride anywhere and she couldn't decide what to say. I thought for a second and she took too long to hop in so I decided to ride on. She is very hot imho for a sw and I would like to get to know her however I think she may be way too young. I would advise anyone that encounters her to check ID before anything happens and please post. In my experience anyone acting as nervous as she was may provide service worth the money and would probably not know how to play things off of LE comes into the picture.
On another subject LE had a very heavy presence on the scene last night. There were a small selection of providers and the quality seems to be getting worse.
Keep it covered and keep it cheap.
TG
I went for a noontime cruise today and hooked up with Michelle whom I saw on Pacific Highway yesterday with it turns out to be her younger sister. If you want a memorable summer and some free room and board courtesy of the state pick this one up now, or even a couple of summers from now.
We had a talk about this and she claims most of the new talent arriving falls into this category.
I think Tangs assertation that we look for hours to catch a glimpse of one or two is an exaggeration. I've been out and frequently have seen ten or twelve in a single cruise and most were of above average quality.
I don't think the number of SW's has dropped at all. I just think the game has changed. They all have cell phones, they are very mobile and travel from city to city making as much money as possible and moving on when things get hot. A lot of them work out of internet and telephone chat rooms. As quickly as LE changes their tactics the pimps and SW's will change theirs. A lot like the drug trafficer's. There's simply too much money to be made.
I remember the hey days as well. I drove down Pacific Highway in 1980 and in the six blocks from the Fanstasy Express (about 165th) there must have been 200 girls working. I can also remember taking a stroll up Pike Street in the early 70's and having a drink at Larry's Take Five Broiler and losing count of the SW's. Unfortunately those days are gone but surprise: I'm not getting laid any less and the quality has never been better.
Finally, I've been to Las Vegas twice in the past fourteen months and comparing it to Salt Lake City is ridiculous.
Civ2000
It looks like the Sunday afternoon Aurora clamp down that Civ2k reported about went well into the evening as Aurora was dead. I saw one possible in front of King 5 the whole time I was out. Since I was just starting and I hate to pick up there I passed.
I cruised from Downtown up to 145th and a few side streets. Nothing. Nada. Zip. There were a few guys out walking around, but that was about it.
I guess if LE's going to crack down it's better for the hobby on a Sunday night.
Lunch time today I took a drive to White Center, parked and walked around. It looks like the recent LE activity in the area has run the SW's out. Even Jimmy the pimp is gone.
As for the heyday of the Seattle SW scene. I came in on the end of it in 1985. I remember cruising with my buddies for SW's and always finding something. One of my best SW experiences was getting propositioned by a BSW in the video arcade that was across from Pike Place, (It's now the SBC coffee shop - I wonder if the patrons know how many gallons of sperm were spilt on the floors?) getting kicked out of there for violating the rules and her finishing up the BBBJ in the Pinto.
Those were the SW days. I think that the quality is probably better now days, but I sure miss the variety.
Keep it covered,
i25
Fremont Guy
06-22-04, 03:20
After 1.5 hour of strolling tonight from AMP/AAA thru 125th came up nothing but few overpriced BSW. Finally saw 3 very young WSW at Denny and Aurora walking towards Holiday Inn. First I thought they were going to a club but there is no club around that area. So I waited for them between Holiday Inn and King5. They saw me and all 3 of them approaced my car.
They are from PDX. Barbie (she's 5-4, burnett, 19yo and B cups), Mercedes (5-3, burnett, 18yo, and B cups), and Lexus (19yo, burnett, 20yo, not sure about cup size). They said they have to be together for dating, so I said OK just want to see what they are up to.
Barbie told me the menu (60 CBJ, 100 FS and $250/hr), there is no way I will pay $250. So I opted for the $60 and choose Mercedes. I asked for ID but they don't have that with them. I knew that was a risky move but I was so tempted. Getting BJ while 2 other girls watching from backseats. So I drove far far away from AMP/AAA and got started. The service was OK but it was exciting to have audience watching.
They will be in town for few days and Barbie said they will be in town every other week.
Fremont Guy
06-22-04, 03:36
I'm not sure what Michelle w/glasses looks like but I saw a girl that matched her description with a very young girl wearing pink top tonight (11:00p) at AMP/AAA. First I thought they are going clubbing but I saw them kept walking around the block. I tried to get their attention and they hesitate to get into my car. I approaced them again and then the young girl yelled "Leave me Alone". I thought what the hell they probably will keep walking for the rest of the night if they acted like that. The young girl is the same girl I saw that acted strangely from my 6/16 post. She's very young and I wonder if someone know Michelle please confirm that girl's age and get back to us.
FG
Saturday afternoon I saw LE pounce on the Viking chick (Maliyah--thanks Snack Man) in the parking lot of the Crispy Crème. I pulled in to watch. The officer was all over her, lights, beeped the siren twice and parked crosswise blocking all the access to one lane between the donut and taco shops. Way over kill if you ask me, but I expect he had witnessed the same tour of mongers circling that I had--hell, I was one of them though a little more discreet than others, and wanted to make a point. Anyhow, he spent a good 1/2 hour checking ID, making her do the spin looking for weapons, dope etc., without actually touching her. But I got to tell you, she handled it like a real pro. She even took a call on her cell phone in the middle of the roust and spent a good minute and 1/2 on the phone while holding her palm up to him like a crossing guard at a kindergarten. I loved it. I wasn't close enough to hear the conversation but he was red in the face and obviously raising his voice, gesturing up and down the block with both hands. She, on the other hand, was calm, cool and collected smiled at him several times, kept her answers short to just a couple of words and actually at one point leaned back against his patrol car and ran her hands through her hair lifting it off her shoulders and letting it fall back in a very sexy manner. All in all a first class reaction. After a 1/2 hour he let her go and she immediately walked to the corner and made a phone call and was picked up in the nearby motel parking lot about 20 minutes later by a nice BMW. I may have to give this lady a try, even at her escort prices.
I hooked up with Jilli at the 15th ave QFC as arranged previously a week or so ago (previous post). We took a nice walk into Carkeek Park and found a nice spot in the shade (it was bloody hot Friday afternoon). She did a reasonable 1/2 and 1/2 for $.5 and I tossed in a $.1 tip. We set up another similar meeting for the future, however, I learned her SO is on work release after 4 years in the slammer for assault and battery that he pled down from attempted murder. Some guy pissed him off in a bar and he got even in the parking lot with a couple of rounds from a 9 mm. I don't think I want this guy following his wife into the woods on one of our hikes.
Cheers, HS
NorthSeattle
06-22-04, 17:11
Getting Tang and other Seekers:
I understand the statistics, but I also have been drifting around the Mongering areas in Asia, Europe, East and West Coasts.
What unusual to me in Seattle/Tacoma/Everett Areas is that instead of hooking up with regular dates, we have many more then most places of what I consider drifters, one timers or semi-pros. There are short periods where we find SW's who we can rely on being at certain locations for relatively short periods, like "Marlo" in Tacoma, "BJ Linda" on Aurora and several others.
With the exception of the BBW's and Skanks there have been almost no regulars of interest.
Again in most places there are Woman who work part time as SW's who manage to set themselves up with a location where they are able to accommodate regular dates on a pretty steady basis, and avoid working the street. I have been hoping to get hooked up with this type of deal for years.
Every once in a while something begins to seem possible, but then the woman gets busted or just is gone like "Marlo".
There have been occasions this spring when I have counted in excess of 20 SW's between Winona/Aurora and 145/Aurora with at least 10/12 being pretty good. But this is not frequent enough to escalate LE activity. It just like they are here today, gone tomorrow.
I'm reasonably sure that there are several regular undercover LE, Latino, black and white working the Aurora Avenue Corridor in Seattle, but they seem to be concentrating on Controlled Substances or at least what several of the woman advised me about them.
It's also surprising how almost any other strolls haven't evolved, like by the U or 15th Ave, ID or Pioneer Square since almost everywhere else the action keeps on the move, except Seattle.
Prices always are set by the Marketplace, but many SW's will provide service for regulars at more reasonable prices, or are willing to accommodate dates according to the traffic. I'm generally able to receive good value, but also willing to pay more for something special.
What is becoming more and more obvious is that many newer mongers aren't exercising common sense by behaving to aggressively, stopping anywhere they spot a Woman and I'm sure that they are getting nailed more often by LE.
The major difference between the so called good old days is that there are many more so called escorts available, in call and out call as well as internet access to many borderline dating sites where prices aren't that much more higher then whats on the street.
North Seattle
Head Snap,
I picked up Maliyah the Viking Monday night, so LE apparently had nothing on her on Saturday, except the scarlet letter street report. She may not be so lucky next time, especially if she does not change her routine.
She is certainly a tall and shapely drink of water, and seems to carry herself well--maybe a little too well. I sensed she may be alot younger than she tries hard to act. She is almost too cool under pressure, if there is such a thing. She said her rates were .6 and 1.2, and I was sorely tempted, but she would not negotiate one penny. My experience with her type on the street is they are generally not worth the money, and have something up their sleeve you will not enjoy, but I have been occasionally and pleasantly surprised. My big head took control this time, and I did not go for it.
If anyone takes the plunge with her, at her usual rates, do tell if it was worth it, or not!!
There were a fair amount of SW's out Monday evening--I even saw thin-as-a-rail no-chest Alison out, near the AAA, when she usually only works days.
Web Builder
06-22-04, 22:54
Head Snap,
I dated her Monday evening in the 272nd area after her experience with the LE. She told me about it. She won't go back up there for a little while and your account jives with hers. She is a cool customer and a good ride.
I had seen 3 girls walking around the Taco Bell near the Redondo B&G. They looked very young to me and were dressed very similiar and like SW's. Pink and white combinations with 2 wearing pants and 1 wearing a short skirt. I guessed one of them could not be much over 14 years old. I asked Malliyah if she knew them. She said she thought one of them was up here from Vegas and thought to be 18 or 19. She said one was 14 and the other was not believed to be 18 yet. Buyer beware, it could be a quick trip to jail for picking the wrong one up.
I am also told that Tuesdays and Thursdays are LE street party days in Kent.
Monday the 21st, last night from 7 to 9 pm is Redondo area, 265th Pac-hiway S. to just south of 272nd I saw only 2 sw's. Last week same day of the week and stroll I saw8 wsw and 6 bsw and 1 hsw. The two last night were both 5' 6" or so, big breasts and heavy down thru the hips. I would have picked up either mon of them if they had weighed 30 lbs less.
Eyes open and brains engauged.
Web Builder
Saw those same girls near Denny a few days ago. Things have really been rough the past few days had a accident and trying to get my truck running so I can make it back to San Diego.
Tight Grip and Fremont, I think I answered the question about Michelles young friend in my last post. Civ
Gentlemen,
To find this forum made up of my fellow hobbyists has been great. I've been intermittently perusing the various strolls in this town for the last couple of years and to read the reports of the SWs I have encountered and have yet to meet. well what a discovery. Guess I'll jump right in with a report.
Friday: Saw the ever consistent Allison in her usual spot, waiting for the bus. This was around 8: 30 or so. Then proceeded to the Hurricane and posted up right in front was Carmen. Being familiar with both of these ladies I opted to peruse awhile longer (This being the new provider season) Summer and nice out I'd like to give someone new a ride. But no luck I did not venture to the Winona-145th area but stayed in the Denny Park Hurricane, AMP/AAA, Cascade Park region. Saturday: I was out again and cruised Aurora up to the Oak Tree, this is from 9: 30 pm, saw plenty of SWs before I headed back south, I then did the AMP, 'Cane circuit and in her usual spot was Goth Girl. I then saw a BSW and younger WSW walking together by Denny Park, the WSW had a long blonde ponytail. Back to AAA where as I was turning onto 99 I spotted Kathi in the purple shorts. damn, by the time I got to King 5 she was gone, probably picked up by Civ2k. So, I decided to go north to my little turn around and heading back on 99 near the AAA turn in I found what I was after. After dodging a parade of monger mobiles I swooped and scooped Nikki, 5'6, 5'7 Dark hair, freckles, sexy voice nice little body. Anyone familiar? Well the Aurora handshake was done and negotiations were underway. The only thing was she had just been dropped off way up north and had a "friend" waiting for her who she had to give $ to, so I parked behind the Shell station while she went to a pick up truck parked along the side and got in the passenger seat I then heard a commotion and argument coming from said truck and I was out. No pimp drama for me. So I come back 10 min. Later and there are 3 or 4 LE cars in the Shell lot and I'm thinking its about that drama, so I pull up, needed gas, and LE are talking to some dude in a bathrobe.
Monday: Scooped a HSW in front of AMP, tall, thin wearing a sexy dress. This is 5: 30pm. She let me pet a shaved kitty during "the check" but asked for. 5 for BJ then went down to. 4 and when I said. 3 she was not having it. Oh well, there are plenty more out there and I'm doing my part to keep it down price wise. Later that evening after another engagement I picked up Darnelicias. I don't know thats what it sounded like to me. Light skinned BSW 20 yrs, pink tank top denim skirt, by the Shell pay-phone. Performed an admirable CBJ for. 3, but was rather businesslike.
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Tuesday Report: 1145pm I picked up 3 18yr old WSWs about 3 blocks north of King 5. Gave them a ride to 80th st on Aurora. They are from Portland and doing a little travelling between here and there. Definately working in a coven of some sort as they were on their cells talking to somebody who needed to know their whereabouts and was giving them instructions. I was bored, so I figured I would get some info. They are too young for me and I would advise caution as they are also pretty obvious. I did see two WSWs between the Bridge and Winona which was interesting. One on the east side of 99 was in a tight outfit with a visor on her head. she looked good. But 99 is not my favorite place to monger so I'll pass usually. Hey Civ, I think we have spent time with the same Christina. I had her over on 2 occasions and the first time she brought her A game the second time was so-so. Anyway she called me to say she was leaving for Vegas about a week and a half ago I havent heard from her since.
Also, has anybody hooked up with Shayla lately? I did once about 3 weeks ago and for 1/2 1/2. 8 a bit pricey but worth it. I have her #.
Happy Huntin' Gentlemen. Be Safe
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Web Builder
06-23-04, 23:47
Uncut,
I have dated the Viking Goddess 4 or 5 times in the last 6 months. She is friendly, beautiful, not a blemish on her body. tanned all over - no tan lines. She is 20 years old and works with 3 or 4 other quite nice ladies meaning they watch each others backs, things like that. She is one of the best rides I have had in my many years in the hobby. She and her friends trust me enough that when they are bringing a new girl into the business they ask me to try her out and she is allowed to go with me alone.. Usually the first night or two one of them stays with the girl as she is introduced around. I enjoy being the first with a new girl as the experience is much more a real personal experience, but on one occasion it was different. When I complained she (new girl) wasn't getting me excited enough to stick her she replied that I had paid for sex-not excitement. Now, she was not worth the price paid!
Web Builder - who knows a good thing when he has had it.
Be cool.
Member #2978
06-24-04, 12:11
I spent some time crusing the Aurora strip and Denny Park on Tuesday afternoon from 3-4 PM, and things were hopping.
Saw two BSW in the vicinity of 125th and Aurora. One was a tall cool drink, wearing spike heels, a white micro skirt, and a tight bright green top. She also has on some rather large pink glasses and "large hair" as we used to say in Texas. Frankly, she was too obvious for my tastes but I thought I'd check to see if any of mongers knew who she was and if she was safe.
On the west side of the street near the cemetary, there was a WSW with short shorts and her thumb stuck out for a ride. I didn't think she was ride material, though.
Continued south along Aurora and saw Straw Hat Kelly on her turf. Mind you, I like Kelly, but that is one odd SW! Long flowing white flowered dress, purple stockings, and a purple parasol to boot! I've been with Kelly before, but I haven't yet figured out to poon effectively in mid-day without feeling over-exposed, so I passed. I think I'll try again today, though.
Down near Denny park, I finally saw Carmen, who was with another HSW on the north side of the park. She looks nice and very approachable, but I must say that recent dialogue here about herpes kept me at bay.
But things were hopping, I'll tell you! With good weather in the air, the summer could be great, if I can get by my daytime nervousness.
RE: Maliya, a senior member sent me her digits but the phone didn't work -- "No longer in service." If anyone has any valid contact for her and is willing to share, please PM me.
Happy pooning!
Lap
6.21.04
99 and Oaktree , Picked up a wsw, 5"3', little big on the bottom, but nice fs for .5. 5 on looks, 7 on service. At least was not a nut case. Said her name was Denise, no # for her but I have seen her before. I don't get it, LE , is at Starbucks all the time. She dresses like a normal gal, the only way I spoted her was to give her a very hard once over. Plus, pulled over half of block down off 99. Go figure?
Be Safe
GettingTang
06-24-04, 21:59
Is this possible?
Just a thought I have always had. Don't know if it violates any laws or not. However, it might make for a good discussion.
I have always thought it would be a good idea for about 3-5 fellow mongers to get together and rent a very discreet condo in a secure building in a moderately descent part of town. The sole purpose of this mongering condo would be for in and out escapades. There would be strict rules to abide by and if those rules were broken by one of the members, the other members would kick them out.
Here is what I envision.
We rent a small studio condo for say $400-$500 per month, furnish it will basic furnishing, keep a few beers and wine in the fridge. We each have our own set of clean sheets. etc. If there were 4-5 mongers, the rent would be split at about $100 per month. We would arrange to leave our rent payment within the first 5 days of each month hidden within the condo.
The rules would be very strictly enforced as you can imagine any abuse would not work.
1. No drugs of any kind.
2. Maximum of a two hour stay.
3. No pimping promoting of prostitution of any kind.
4. No girls traded or swamped amongst users. (for confidentiality)
5. Absolutely no girls allowed to stay at the residence after the trick is done, IE; slam bam thank you mam, and she leaves as do you.
6. No one ever stays over night, or has more then three persons in the room at any given time.
7. only professionals and persons who would take the rules serious need apply.
8. No drunks, parties hangout sessions of any kind.
You get the idea.
There would be a small unidentifiable tag on the door when the condo was in use. No one would ever violate another users privacy. If the condo was being used, you wait your turn. Each user would take their own personal belongings after each use. Each monger would agree never to tell the girls the purpose of the condo, they would be led to believe the condo was simply a rental you stayed in from time to time.
The purpose of the condo would be for our tight group of fellow mongers to pick up a SW and have a safe clean place to take them back to and do the deed and get out. It would be simple insurance to avoid getting busted while parking.
Anyone interested. PM me.
The main concern I would have is to avoid turning it into a crack house, party place, or abused. It would work like a machine, clean, safe, get in and get out. If you abuse these policies your gone. Locks changed.
I feel it's a small price to pay for safety. I used to enjoy car dates, but now I simply hate them. Plus it's hard to F*ck in the car. I figure for $65-$125 per month per person, it's well worth it, even if you only used 5-6 times per month. What do you people think?
TANG~!
Thursday:
Saw somthing interesting. Not sure if was a LE thing or not. A fairly cute WSW. Very petite with long curly hair, was at the old Denny's bldg on southbound 99 near Denny.
I saw her yesterday too standing Northbound 99 and 40th. I was working and didnt have time to pick her up yesterday, but took a trip around the blck to get another look.
So today, I see her at 4:30pm. I get my ass over there, cuz. she's my type. I take the turn around the corner and I look for a place to pull over. I look in my rearview and there's a white SUV, with a guy on a CB radio style microphone. so I got spooked. It looked like the guy was on my ass, but it coulda been my imagination. I went a different way and he turned off.
So I went to the other side of Aurora to watch. She was still on the corner.. and as cars pulled to the side street, or behind the Denny's, she'd go back there, but didnt get into any cars. I tried getting a picture.. but traffic was heavy and I kept getting cars in the way.
This girl looked about 25, long brownish curly hair (in a ponytail) very skinny/petite. Anyone else see her today? know who she is?
Bandit
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Tang, It would be kind of hard to conceal the purpose of the room from the SW's when you might have one SW taken to the room by four different mongers. It would also be frustrating to negotiate FS only to show up and see the tag on the door and have to go elsewhere.
Whose name would be on the lease? How would the rules be enforced? Who would be legally liable if someone did smoke crack or OD in the place? I assume to kick one of the owner's/renter's out would be difficult and take at least a couple of months. I can see guys gradually extending the two hour period; SW's learning of the place and showing up unannounced; pimps learning of the place, etc. SW's are not exactly great at keeping a secret.
Also, the hidden money would get ripped off if not by a monger then most definately by the SW. Having one room mate is a pain in the ass; having four or five that you don't know from Adam would be another thing all together.
Personally I think it would be a nightmare. But hey, don't let me rain on your parade. If you think its a good idea -- go for it!
Web Builder
06-25-04, 01:05
It's an idea to toss around. There was a group of girls who had an appartment just off Pac Hiway South and 282nd or so. Not much furniture. They would take guys there 2 or 3 tricks a night. I was taken there by 4 different girls and wound up there 8 or 9 times before they broke the lease on the appartment. Some of you may have been there. The stool was plugged for over 10 weeks before they got out. What a smell. It could work with guys but there would have to be some legal documents I would think. Would it be North of Seattle or South. Those living in the North could not take their dates South and vice versa. Not as good as a hot tub but would be cheaper and Fun to think about.
Web Builder
GettingTang
06-25-04, 01:18
Civ,
As always you bring up some valid points. I had thought of many of the scenarios you mentioned. Bottom line to me, car dates are usually no fun these days. Way too much LE and harder to find a good place to park. There is nothing much more embarrassing or humiliating then to have a LE official knock on your window while your SW has her mouth full. This has happened numerous times.
Also, just a few weeks back, my bare ass was up in the air naked to the world as the day I was born, while two homeless onlookers in the bushes about 12 feet from my car got a good thrill. I did not even notice them as they blended in, when i was finished i got out of the car to piss and they stated applauding!
I have had a few home owners catch me in the act before and come out screaming and yelling, waving fists and hands in the air as I tried to yank up my pants with a raging hard on! Not fun. Just wait until they catch you right as you are cumin, even worse!
Anyone who picks up SWs and takes them on car dates will have these scenarios happen to them on numerous occasions eventually. I don't care how careful you are. My point with my last post, was an attempt to set something up to avoid this. It could be a classic case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I even went as far as to set up my RV in a nice RV park in the surrounding mongering areas, this worked well until one of SW came back and busted out a window while I was away and stole about $500 worth of my personal stuff in the RV.
I do think vans work best overall for mongering, especially if they have no rear windows as you can take the SW to any parking lot, even a shopping center, hop in back with the AC on and do the deed. I have never been much a van person, so this does not apply to me.
TANG~!
Tang, Car dates can still be fun but best for bj's and definately best at night where you can park almost anywhere and be somewhat safe. I'm always leery of FS in the car because you're completely vulnerable and at the mercy of LE should they drive up.
Some suggestions: It's summertime and there are plenty of parks where one can get off the beaten path fairly easily. Carry a blanket in your car and off you go. I would suggest against any of us using this board to name specific parks or places because of possible LE observation.
One exception would be Volunteer Park. It would not be PC for LE to bust gays having sex so I would assume it may be safe to bring your SW for a little frolic in this Capitol Hill playground.
Also, some of the sleazier motels on Aurora are advertising $29.95 specials. If you only monger 5 or 6 times a month it may be worth it especially if you're into picking up more than one SW in a night.
I used to take a SW under I-5 but LE has shut this area down to the best of my knowledge.
A van would be great but I've heard that a lot of SW are afraid to get in one.
I always recommend against taking the SW home even if you live alone and think she's completely trustworthy. Whether we like to believe it or not a gal walking the streets for dates has SERIOUS issues whether or not we can see it or not.
I'm still looking for a good mongering car for under a grand. Something I won't cry if I lose it but dependable and legal and something that doesn't stand out.
I also pulled into my favorite spot a couple of weeks ago to have sex with my gal and there were a couple of homeless guys there that weren't going anywhere. The SW wanted to leave and I said "watch this". I pulled out a ten dollar bill and said "could you guys go buy some beer and come back in about twenty minutes after I finish screwing my hooker"?
Worked like a charm!
Civ
I owned a conversion van with a bed in the back. I had the windows limo tinted on top of the oem glass tint and would pull the shades down. I had some great times in that van. When I found a sw I would just go to a Safeway parking lot back in, put up the sun screen in the front window, and have fun. I would spend the weekends mongering in B.C. and all it cost me was gas money. It is true that some girls would not get in vans, but most did not have a problem with it. They would love the bed and comment on how comfortable it was.
Thursday PM: About 10:30 I cruised through the AMP and there was some party going on with many people roaming about. LE was present as I saw 4 cars within 2 blocks. Headed through Belltown to the Hurricane and saw 1 BSW. More LE around 6th. Whats up with all the presence I'm thinking. Head through Dny park - whats up with the guy in the white mini-van sitting there with some sort of antennae on the roof? Looked suspicious to me. I then took a drive north on 99 and saw 5 or 6 soldiers who were definately on the clock.I turned back at 145th, and on the way back saw the 3 I gave a lift to on Wed. night. After a cursory perusal I decided to call it a night.
Last night I observed what looked like three BSW being busted by LE on HWY-99 near the Midway Drive-In/Swap Meet around 8:30-9:00 PM. Later I observed some LE activity up by the AMP/AAA in Seattle, I usually do not cruise on Tuesdays and Thursdays because I understand there is more LE activity on those days, however, I was running some errands and going to see a friend so I thought I would head up along some of the strools to see if there has been anything to report.
I encountered Michelle and her "little" sister last night (Thursday 6-24-04 around 10:30 PM). I returned a call to Michelle, and she asked me for a ride for her and her little sister, actually she asked for a date first, but I was enroute elsewhwere. Then she asked for the ride and offered to introduce me to her little sister. I have heard about the "little" sister both from this board, and from some things that Michelle had told me about her. As far as I can tell she is on the razors edge of legal, although has apparently been in the business for several years. If anyone decides to spend some time with her I would definately check her ID to be safe. From what I gather she makes some effort to appear as youthfull as possible because she make good $ doing so, I also gather it weeds out some of the lower paying mongers, at least in her opinion.
She was a little skitish when I first met her (and Michelle), but she quickly warmed up and had a very pretty smile. She told me she is quite nervous working up here in the Seattle area where she does not know, the scene, mongers, vice, pimps, general police and public attitudes, etc. The other thing is she is a smoker, has those nicotine fits, but is polite enough NOT to smoke in a persons vehicle without permission (or perhaps her "sister" told her not to in my vehicle). However, since they asked polietly I let them light up (ciggarettes) and she relaxed and became considerably more friendly right away. (YMMV).
I told both of them about the LE activity and apparent busts I had seen earlier. I gave both the young women a ride up to a restraunt not too far from where I was headed already, but some distance from the stroll so we had a bit of time to talk. Michelle had mentioned both on the phone and in person that there was considerable LE activity on 99 from the AMP/AAA area up to at least 85th if not the Oak Tree.
From past experience Michelle is definately fun, if a little more expensive than the average for the street here. But again last night she was well mannered and well groomed, as well as being street smart and looks to her own safety (claims to always use a condom). Her "little" sister is definately cute, but I want to scrutinize her ID before doing anything with her. She talks a good talk once she gets relaxed (however, if not with her sister, or on a date with a monger she might not relax). But then I spent a half hour or so with them in a non-threatening enviroment since Michelle acted quite friendly with me, and we were not conducting business.
Banditcam, You are perfectly describing Alison who has been the subject of quite a few reports on this board. That is her spot and she's out there nearly every afternoon. She probably wasn't getting into many cars because she is a bit pricey: I believe she wouldn't go less than .40 for cbj and upwards for other stuff. IMHO she is not worth it and I haven't picked her up but once.
On the other hand, the last two stings I witnessed were at that very location so as always be careful. But it doesn't sound like it was a sting. Civvy
GettingTang
06-25-04, 18:06
Here is a better idea. Any fellow mongers who might be up for sharing a room rental for 24 hours? (No not like that!) I was thinking we could pool resources and funds, rent a decent hotel early in the AM when they will first allow the renter to have the room (like 10 AM) One of us would agree to monger from 10AM to 10PM, then give up the room for the other monger who would have it available from 10 PM to 10 AM? Or we could just coordinate via cell phones as to when the other might be using the room. If I score a girls, I call you, let you know the room will be in use for an hour or so, then call when I'm done. Anyone interested in sharing like this, PM me.
TANG~!
Hey Tang,
I think you have some good ideas, however, I am always leary of someone leaving drugs (inc. paraphenalia, residue, etc.) where I might be. While I certainly do not want to get entangled with the police for anything related to prostitution, at least that is hard to prove as long as you and the young woman do not admit to anything. With these anal laws on drugs if it is just in the vehicle, room, etc. where you are you are presumed guilty, and IMHO the prosecuters are more likely to go after you (me, everyone involved).
I do my best to ensure that the young woman that has been entertaining me leaves nothing of the sort behind. I provide a desposible garbage bag for condoms, kleenex, wrappers, soda pop cans, and anything else. No garbage left where we park, or motel room, etc. I also check my vehicle after dropping off the young woman too.
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IMHO if shuch a corporation were to be formed we should not be too cute with a name. Something nondescript such as Evergreen Enterprizes, or XYZ Productions should be used, although I think these activities may well be legal, descression would be very desirable. btw the last time I was in Las Vegas I checked out a studio just off the strip where you could rent a "studio" to film what ever you wanted (they checked ID's for age, and that was all) they had two video cameras, a bed, overstuffed chair and some sound and lighting equipment. I was with a young lady friend from LA and we acted out a fantasy for a realatively cheap price, we even joked about making some amature porn, but she decided not to move back up here for other reasons. So this is only partially an original idea. The "manager" there even hinted that "talent" could be procured if I did not have my own lady friend (or aspiring actress). If I look around I might be able to find the business card I took home with me, I believe they have a web-site too.
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I am concerned about someone, (LE, management, employees, other guests, snithces) becoming curious about multiple men and women entering and leaving the same room, even at other times. IMHO the vice (drugs) personnel may notice us for the wrong reason, but bad luck for us none the less. Besides if you plan well you can procure a room for less than $40, preferably away from any of the strolls.
I have often been told do not critize if you do not have a solution; my proposal is that since Seattle (et. al) is a location where a considerable amount of porn is filmed, especially for the internet, why not have a number of fellow mongers get together to start a "film" company. One individual incorperates, for maximum security/deniability only that person is officially on the board, depending on the type of business formed only one may be needed. Other "board members" if necessary can be provided by an attorney (and secratary) whose services to draw up the initial contract can be had for quite cheap and never dealt with again.
The other partners come in as "sub-contractors", not unlike dancers in strip clubs in this state. This works pretty well for the strip club owners. Basically each partner/sub-contractor would rent time to "rehearse" for a movie, or whatever. That way each individual could be held responsible for their own conduct. Collectivelly we could even provide a "release" or contract for the young women. After all it is not illeagal to film porn (as long as the participants are 18 or older).
The same difficulties will schedueling could occur, but theoretically it could be resolved. Privacy can be quite good if the propper location were chosen. Preferbly one of the smaller locations that rent out office space. It would be cheaper than a condo, some of these offices are well insulated (for sound), and there are usually not any neighbors after 6 PM or on weekends (just do not choose a location with one of those store front churches in it), and if discreet, one could also visit during business hours.
Even some storages places such as Public Storage have such office space for rent. There are also many locations a block or two, to a mile or so away from Hwy-99 both North and South that have just a few units. A very desirable neigbor would be one of those tax places that is only occupied a month or two a year, but kept on a lease contract for tax purposes. A bare bones single room of just a couple of hundred square feet could be let for quite cheap. If sucsessful we could progress to a slightly larger space, idealy with its own bathroom (some of thes places even have [or can be modified] to a 3/4 bath with a shower as well as a toilet and sink).
The best part is that all of this could be done legaly, and if some checking were done, I think that includes our conduct with the ladies (thanks to the way the 1st Amendment has been stretched). I have spoken to some of the individuals who provide content for the internet based out of Seattle and Vancouver B.C., although not quite for this reason. There would still be some information that would need to be learned.
On time sharing one option is to do like Ice Skating Areans and Horse Riding Arenas opperate. Individuals puchase schedulled blocks of time. They can trade their scheduled hours with other willing individuals. Those who invested more time and money would probably co-ordinate, although an ABSOLUTE DICTATORSHIP of whomever forms the corporation, and leases the space, and the rest of us just rent the space/time from him. This prevents the nearly inevitable "politics" of small groups.
Some ground rules such as no drugs, no staying overnight etc., would be part of each individuals contract. And a charter with less formal rules, such as no individual can book more than 4 hours in a week until each member/sub-contractor has been able to schedule up to four hours, schedules to be made monthly, or even quarterly. That way someone can not just block all of friday and saturday nights. (although they could schedule more hours they would be subject to being bumped). The details are not that difficult to arrange.
OK NOW SHOOT THIS IDEA FULL OF HOLES AND MAYBE SOMETHING WORKABLE CAN BE AGREED UPON! LOL
John Quakman and I2500 check your PM's
The John and others, I have already done the legwork for you: Michelle's "little sister" is just that. Michelle herself is on the razors edge of being legal -- her sister is a felony, prison time, and sex offender registration all rolled into one very cute package. I wouldn't even let her in my car. Civ
Tang, Do you really want your name on a motel register along with some guy who's gonna be spending the next 12 hours bringing crack ho's back to the room? BTW, when are you planning to move to our fine city? Civ
Beware of the AAA. I saw several mongers pulled over by LE for what looked like nothing more than cruising.
john and Tang,
Here is the problem, and it is a big one. You may have "legitimate" fronts, but what you are doing is still illegal and subject to arrest and jail time. How many Escort operaters are in jail right now that used the defense that they were not aware of what was going on. What happens if an escort o.d. in your hotel room while she is with another monger? Even though you were not there, you will catch a case. The problem you have is that once the police figure out what your doing, they will arrest you. Then you have to convince a jury that you are not guilty. Just saying you produce porn will not be enough. The prosecuters will have a field day. Since you do not a distributer or a company to produce and edit, no one in the industry has ever heard of your company, you have no examples of product from your company ect... Do not think for a minute that legitimate porn industry companys will back your play for a minute. It is hard enough for them, and they are legal. And most important is; Are you willing to ruin your life over this? The fact that you put so much time into trying to beat the system, the prosecuter will come after you with extreme prejudice. They will do their best to make and example of you. And even if you win, the legal fees will ruin you. Would be cheaper to keep doing what you currently doing. If you get caught now, and it is your first time, they hurt your wallet and slap your wrist.
SoSoundGuy
06-26-04, 10:13
I served on a jury once that was prosecuting an illegal immigrant who was in a motel room with 3 others and when they busted down the door the others fled and they found 1/4 oz. of coke under the bed in the platform. There really was no way that they could prove that it was his but because he was there under "suspicious" circumstances he was convicted of having distribution weight. I don't know about you all but I never use my real name on a register in a no-tell anyway but wouldn't want to be in those kind of shoes.
I got a call Friday night from one of my newer regulars. She was trying to make up some $ since she got busted earlier. She claimed that she is going to be avoiding the streets for a while and sticking to regulars. According to her they have a task force of about 30 cops (she did not specify if that was all vice, or also [probably] uniforms as well), who have been working the last couple of days, and maybe through the weekend at least. She thought they were working both the Redondo (near SW 272nd) area of Hwy-99 South, and the downtown Seattle area.
According to her vice had spotted her getting picked up, all though they waited until they parked, etc. to make the arrest. She said that she did not admit to anything, but the monger later paniced and gave several contradictory stories to the cops. She claimed that she had warned him to be cool and say nothing, but later he "tried to talk his way out of it". She was released because his statements were apparently not enough to implicate her, however, they were still holding him when they let her go. If he had just kept his mouth shut he would have been free to go too. But she does not want to be seen on any of the local strolls for the time being.
She confided in me that she kept her ears open and her mouth shut and overheard both the officers at the scene, as well as some radio transmitions. She seems to be a level headed girl, and has not lied to me or made anything like this up. However, as they said about the Cold War, "Trust, But Verify!"
I did see two unmarked patrol cars out on South Hwy-99 in the Redondo area, although one of them may have been a "drunk" or traffic patrol since it was getting close to bar close. There were also a couple of regular patrol cruisers, however, that is not unsusall either. On the other hand in my previous report on Thursday I mentioned seeing a bust going down by the Midway Drive-In/Swap Meet. And there have been several other reports on this board recently.
So we all need to keep each other advised, and perhaps be a little more aware when making pick-ups, or even cruising.
Finally, from her description this monger must not have ever perused this board; he was not aware when he picked her up, parked in what sounded like an unwise area, and tried to "talk his way out of it", at a minimum. She admited that she allowed herself to be blinded by the $ (he was also paying above market), for which I can not blame her, but is another strike against him. I can not complain too much, I had some fun for a reasonable price (she was willing to go a little cheaper and took her time since she knew she would not risk jail again with me, and safety has a value to the providers as well (bird in the hand worth two in the bush LOL), and he is likely spending the night in jail.
[of course he may have had a traffic violation, outstanding warrent, etc., since my young lady friend admitted to not being able to hear all of what transpired, but mostly it seems he suffered from a case of the DumbS**t's!]
SoSoundGuy, How are you able to circumvent using your real name at the no-tells? I believe in Seattle the motels are required by law to have a photocopy of the driver's license or other acceptable ID on file in the office at all times. In fact as far as I know you can't even stay in a homeless shelter or the tent city without it. If I'm wrong will someone please let me know.
Oftentimes in the morning you will see marked cruisers in front of the Aurora motel offices and what they are doing is checking the registers looking for fugitives and former customers of Michelle's little sister who may have forgotten to update their new addresses with the King County Sheriff's Department. (Sorry, couldn't resist throwing in that last one).
Guys, I don't think Tang is serious about all this stuff. He doesn't even live in Seattle. I can't see him or anyone else for that matter flying into town and sharing his motel room for his stay with someone else to save fifteen or twenty bucks. As usual he is trying to generate debate, which is okay with me. Civ
Colnago
Thanks for your info on what you saw by the AMP/AAA.
I also agree with your cautions about sharing a room with other mongers.
However, IMHO you are mistaken about the porn idea. There is very little required to make "actual" porn, in fact for nearly a decade the "amature" porn content has been the most numerous content in porn, both for videos/DVD's (and CD's back just a couple of years ago), and moreso for the internet. There is almost noting that is required; a digital (still) camera, and the preformers be of legal age. A release form that contains that proof that you keep on record is not just a good idea, it is the law. 18 USC 2257 is the governing federal law. I also was specificly reffering to porn, and for Washington state to strippers (exotic dancers if you will), NOT escorts, the reason that escort agencies are not protected is that prostitution is illegal, however, stripping and making porn are not [as illogical is that might be].
Couples, even many married ones, and sometimes complete strangers are making a great volume of the porn that is out there nowdays. The difference between them and the "legitimate" porn producers is the legitimate producers such as Larry Flint or Vivid video make money doing it, and most of the amatures do not make much if any proffit.
The idea I postulated could be done legaly, the question is: Is it Worth the Effort and COST. While I assert that it could be done for less $ than renting a condo, and would provide (some) legal protection for the individuals, as compared to none if renting a motel room/condo. Perhaps the biggest concern would be keeping records, and especially those for the IRS. But there are those in the porn industry that produce content with about as much knowlage and equipment as some of those who have contributed digital images to ths site.
All you need is a digital camera and a computer, even a lap-top. And one does not need the computer at the sight one is taking the images. You can even edit video tapes on a computer, if you have a digital (movie) recorder it is even easier. The advent of technology has spurred an amazing amount of people to produce "porn". It has also driven down the value of that content. I have had some limited involvement on the technical side with a number of these content providers. There equipment and knowlege is amzingly crude (such that my comaratively limited knowlege of computers and technology was useful) but mcuh of the technology is so "user friendly" that nearly anyone can do it.
But now it comes to the crux of the matter: IS IT WORTH IT TO DO SO?
IMHO the risks of jail are minimal to nil (if 18 USC 2257 is complied with), even the finnacial records are not a big deal (since in our case(s) it would be mostly, if not exclusively expences! LOL). However, would be business licences and other local regulations that would have to be attened to, which are not THAT big of a hassel, but still a consideration. I have mussed with some similar ideas for years, it has been the likely hood that I would be highly unlikely to make any money doing this, and the concern that some years down the road I might have to answer, "Hey Grandpa is that you?" or more likely, I have some friends who are avid consumers of both on-line and DVD/video porn who would likely not only notice me, but gossip about it. Efforts to prevent release of a product in you home area are pathetically hopeless. Go check out some of the $3-$5 porn tapes in some of the smoke shops, they will say on the tape (and box) do not release in Ohio, or Texas, but it is obvious that in the secondary or re-seller market, let alone the internet, those images could get to people you would not wish them to. Thus my idea that a person be making a "compilation tape/video" or else just be "trying to amass enough content to be able to launch their inter-net site".
I have not even begun to discuss if some of the service providers would then just not want "callgirl rates" but porn actress ones (which are often appalingly low). Did you know there is even a form of "vanity porn" similar to vanity publishing? LOL!!!
An example of a personal, if not "legal" concern is what has happened to a guy who just dropped out of the race for the Senate in Ohio (I think) and his ex-wife Jerry Ryan of "Strar Trek Voyager" his (possibly only suggested) dalliance at public sex, in a private club [for that intended purpose] not only came up in his divorce trial. Someone (illegaly) released that information and it had torpedoed his effort to be elected as a (Republican) U.S. Senator (if he was running as a Democrat it probably would have given him a 5 point bump up in the polls LOL). So the concerns are far from just beining arrested.
I welcome many more comments and suggestions!
CIV 2000,
re: ID's
At least in terms of "tent city" a judge has just ruled that "residents" of "tent city" (as well as just ordinary citizens on the street) DO NOT have to present ID on demand from the authorities. This was meant much wailing and nashing of teeth by the authorities! Who will certainly appeal. I have quite a bit of sympathy for the neighbors of "tent city", especially the private school adjcent to the current location. [There have been a number of criminals, including several sex offenders (possible former customers of Michelle's little sister? LOL) who have been arested on site, or loitering nearby]
However, my libertarian sympathies lie more in favor of individual freedom. How, or if this may apply to the laws, or more likely "mere" regulations requiring the providing of ID to stay at a motel are unkown.
It is possible to conduct a purely cash transaction with the desk clerk to get a room for the night without offering your ID. I have done this in Canada, and also the Deep South of the U.S., more frequently to get a "discount" room rate than because I was mongering. Ironically I was only seeking to use my "Diner's Club" Membership, or at the time Military ID, for a discount. Most people do not realize it but the posted room rate is only the start of the bargaining for what it can cost for a night(s) in a motel. For instance PriceLine.com, (et. al.), or even good old fashion haggling. Haggling for a lower room rate can be suprizingly effective, especially in B.C. where there are many East Indian and Chinese, and now more Russian/East European proprieters. But this is another topic.
Interesting idea about a common "love shack" kinda arrangement. Civ2k has the logistics down, but from where I sit, the more people involved, the more can go wrong. The WA St. statutes could still interpret that as pandering, running a house of prostitiution, or more. A discreet location would go a long way, but the longer you stay in the same place, the more risk. Perhaps in Nevada that might be more feasible. Overall, I see more negatives than positives for something like that here. If you can make it work over the long haul, great. Count me in as a van fan.
Now for a report: I hooked up with a luscious exotic on Friday afternoon. I was doing some shopping along N. Aurora, not really looking to monger, but she got the little head very excited when I saw her. Very Zen, what you find when you are not really looking for it.
She said she was mixed Phillipina, Black, and Caucasian, about 5'2", mid-20's, nice weaved longer hair, nice tight and curvy petite body with firm and shapely B+ breasts. Very clean and no outward signs of drug use. Her Phillipina ethnicity showed a little more than the rest, and she had an extremely pretty face, and beautiful skin tone. She started with .4 for CBJ, but settled for .3. She said she was a "professional" (uh-huh), and did the escort thing too. Her 1/2 and 1/2 prices were high .1, and she said she gets 1.5 for home visits. I mentioned that being on the street is not the same as working as an escort, and that she would do alot better lowering her street prices in this town. She would have none of that. She said her type is very rare on the Seattle scene, and most mongers gladly pay what she asks. With her looks, I found it hard to argue with that. However, attitude is equally important. Besides, if she is in such demand as an escort, why does she need to take the risk on the streets at all?
Tried to play me at first, saying "if you have .3, you have .4." That nearly disqualifed her from getting anything at all, but she backed off and became alot more pleasant, after I told her I have zero tolerance for being played like a mark. She did not carry a cell phone, and I saw no pimps in her vicinity.
Found a spot well off the stroll, and her CBJ was decent and unhurried, but not spectacular. Rate her a 9.5 on looks, 7.5 on service, 6 on attitude (but YMMV). This is one who knows her physical asset value, and how to exploit it. Don't take shit from her, and you should do OK.
Good Hunting.
sean_double
06-26-04, 15:11
Diana, the excellent looking model friend that Nico posted pictures of a few days ago has an ad in Craigslist under "Erotic Services." The two pictures on the ad are two of the same ones posted on the board. The $ rate is more than I like to pay, but I might just have to cough up the bucks on this one.
Cheers,
Sean
Michael1967
06-26-04, 15:30
Civ 2000,
I would be pissed if I found the motel gave the police information that I stayed there without a court order. You don't see them going to Four Seasons and asking for their register (I bet the Four Seasons wouldn't give it to them).
About 10 years ago, I went on a date in Tacoma and I lived in Seattle. I liquored the girl up pretty good and I was afraid if I drove her back to my place in Seattle that she would be sober by the time we got there and nothing would happen. Her place was off limits (later on, I found out she lived her boyfriend). So I stopped off at a motel in Fife, paid cash (to the motel, not her) and did her there. I never showed ID or a credit card. This was 10 years ago and one of the only two times that I stayed at cheap motel. BTW we left at 4AM because she felt guilty about screwing me (good thing I didn't take her all the way to Seattle).
Anyway, that was 10 years ago, and I know the laws change regularly.
GettingTang
06-26-04, 16:33
Colnago
You actually stumbled upon a point I have often always wondered about. How is it that the porn industry escapes prosecution for prostitution?
Technically, the actors themselves are being paid money to have sex?!?! Is this not by definition alone "prostitution" As a porn actor you getting paid to have sex, plain and simple.
Now most here know how I feel prostitution in many forms should be legal, when it's done discreetly and no one gets harmed, however, prosecutors often use references such as; "the law is the law"
Unless I'm missing something, porn actors would be defined by the meaning of the word "prostitute" as accepting monetary gain to perform a sexual act.
Now I realize there is some method they use to get around this, probably under the guise of the second amendment, but could us mongers, also find some similar loophole and make it national as to free all us mongers to engage in open P4P??
TANG~!
Yes Sean_double I posted that ad yesterday for her. I am working on another ad for her later. I will PM you.
SoSoundGuy
06-26-04, 17:39
Civ, I've never rented in King county just Pierce and they still seem to have the same cash is all the ID you need mentality that Michael talked about. Not that I have done it alot only something like 3 times in the last year or so.
Getting Tang,
By claiming that the making of Pornagraphy being protected by the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, are you refering to our sacred Right to Keep and Bare young women for porn? Or are you suggesting that we should arm all of our porn stars (and amatures too as a militia) in this our time of national peril in this war agains Islamic fundimentalist terrorists? LOL
Just teasing, I am sure you meant to reference the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that protects Free Speech (not to mention the right to peaceably assemble). As for how they do not get busted for prostitution, they are in compliance 18 USC 2257. I plan on looking up some of those particulars later. I believe they relate to the keeping and maintaing of records (most significantly to verify the age of performers).
IMHO some of this is the same thing that it is legal for the owner of a commercial fishing boat to sell fish to a consumer from Fisherman's Terminal, however, it is against the law for me to sell a fish to you from the dock after an afternoon out on Puget Sound.
It does not have to make sence, it is just what the law is. I forget who said it, but, "The Law is an *ss!"
Well I finally got my truck running agian. Talked to this one thin brunette near 97th & Aurora around 2pm. She asked 60$ for a bj so I turned her down`
Took another cruise around 9pm. Aurora was really disappointing. Saw 3 or 4 girls near 145th st. As I drove by to talk to the girls a cop pulls up and stops the girls. The girtls were pretty blaatant about hanging with their pimps. Cruised on up to 212th st no action so I decided to head back on Aurora. Cruised Denny and saw this chunky brunette who asked 100$ for anything. I thien decieded to cruise over to Belmont st, but I could not find it. I then decided to cruise Uniiversity av. Just college kids no action. After this I then decided to cruise Auora again. Only saw a few ugly skanks.
Headed south and cruised the Denny park area. I ran across Maureen. She originally asked 50$ for a bj, but I counter offered 30$. Later I offered her 10$ for a facial.....Maureens skills were about average, She kept complaining that guys were offering her 20$ for bj's. Maureen got in my truck with soda container filled with wine. I immediately told her to throw out the container.
.Heaediing back to San Diego tomorrow. I was disappointed by the action. I get the impression that San Diego has roughly the same number of sw's. The big difference is that there is less bsw's and you have to cover a much greater geographic area to find girls.
Cruised from Denny area to Greenlake last night from 5:30 till about 9:30. Not much happening.
1 wsw on the denny stoll (jones soda company area). about a 4 at best. She made me nervious as she was actively walking up to car windows at stopsigns & lights. Very short travel distance.
Ended up picking up CeCe a short time later. Lovely girl, very personable, lots of conversation. Very nice looking body. Only had tip money from work to play with, settled on $35 for a cbj. Found a place and did the deed. Excellent provider. Great service.
Tange,
Porn stars are not getting paid to have sex, they are getting paid to act. They have agents, and post in the trade papers, and have been in movies. They have credible, real evidence to back up their contention that they are actors. You do not have that weight of evidence on your side. I remember years ago, Marilyn Chambers getting busted for prostitution in Vegas. She tried to use a defence like, " I thought he was a producer", or something like that. It did not work. Acting is legal in this state. Paying to have sex with someone is not legal in this state.
Some hotels let bounty hunters run the names on their registry to see if anyone has a felony. Hotels are not required to keep that information private. You gave it to them of your own free will and they can give it to whoever they feel like. How do you think junk mail with your name on it makes it to your door?
Bear Foxtrot
06-27-04, 03:19
OK, this is just a bit of curious trivia, but I was horny, bored, and broke last night. So what do you expect? OK, here goes: Do you think that Crack Monster Jenn could ever clean herself up to the point of where you'd actually seriously consider her a "keeper"? If not, why not? And if so, what would that point be and why? Hey- don't give me that look. You can only have so many Sam Adams' until you start to think of shit like this. So what do you guys think?
Alex
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colnago, and others interested
re: laws on pornography
go to findlaw.com, on their main page go to us code it is the second entry under us law, very near the top of the page; on the page for us code enter in the block for title (enter) 18, in the block for section (enter) 2257.
the information is remarkably clear (for a federal regulation) and only about one page. the gist is it is the responsibility of a "producer", marketer, etc. of a book, magazine, video, [dvd], etc. that is (has been) made after 1 nov, 1990, and which contains actual sexually explicit conduct;
shall create and maintain records of every preformer. they must (use a legal document) to confirm the performers name and age (such as a drivers licence or passport), as well as ask the preformer to list any other names they are (or were) known by, (such as maiden or married names, allias, stage name, nickname, or professional name) and they must keep a copy of these records. and if you sell any tapes, dvds, whatever, or post it on the web, you must clearly label the material to be in compliance with 18 usc 2257.
the producer and the performers can be prosecuted for knowingly submitting false information (although this probably does not apply to someones third grade nick name, or every psudeo name some prostitute ever gave to some monger).
most interesting is sub-paragraph (d) section (1): no information or evidence obtained from the records required to be created or maintained by this section shall, except as provided in this section, directly or inderectly, be used as evidence against any person with respect to any violation of law.
that is directly and completely the text of that sub-paragraph
basically as long as you do not knowingly provide false information, and as long as all of the performers (to include assisting, which might be stretched to anyone in the room) are 18 years old when the image (video, etc.) was made, you are in compliance of the law.
the "performers" in porn videos are not (with a possible few exceptions) members of sag (the screen actors guild), nor do they have agents, or anything else resembling "professional actors" a back-up courus girl in an off-off broadway musical might be, but porn has been dominated by amatures for more than a decade, at least in terms of numbers. there are a few candia royales, or jenna jamesons, or others who have made some big money, most get a couple hundred dollars a day (many do not even get their names on the box, etc.) [of course there are the records in compliance with 18 usc 2257, but that does not require that every persons name be on the box, just that the records me made and maintained.
over the last ten years or so i have been to several of the adult-dex's in las vegas that are concurent with comdex. i have spoken to numerous content providers, or those on the tech side. i have also had the occasion to speak to among others; randy moore (who has made a numer of his videos in the greater seattle area), randy west, and ron jeremy. i was rather supprized at how intelegent and well spoken those particular individuals were, although others that i spoke to provided considerable information as well. some of this was in reguards to technical information or products, however, some of the information was reguarding the production of content and the female performers.
i have considered providing content before (although not likely as a performer myself), in addition to some rather minor involvement in the technical side of things. an associate of mine has had greater experience in some of these matters up in canada. the primary reason i have not gotten further involved in the production of content has to do with potential embaressment if i did become involved, and a future wife, in-laws, etc. were to find out. and nearly as importantly; it would be very, very difficult to make any money doing this.
finally one does not have to be published to be a writer! you do not have to have a video in distribution, or even a contract with larry flynnt to be produceing porn. if you claim to be accumulating content for a porn web site that you intend to start up some day, as long as you are in compliance with 18 usc 2257, then you are not breaking the law.
the fly in the ointment is to do this costs money, and it is a hassel, you can get busted for public nudity, or if you have an **** performer. despite some websites and porn videos that have scenes in autos, i would not try filming that kind of scene myself. and there is nothing that would prevent a prostitute from performing in a porn video, for unlike stripping (exotic dancing), this does not require a licence.
finally it is a canard to bring up the example of escort agencies, because prostitution is illegal, hence my use of the example of stripping which is not against the law.
Alexios, I'd say crack-monster Jenn is definately a keeper. I've picked her up right after she's exited the jail and before she's had her first crack hit and she can be a great gal. She's smart, articulate, good-looking, gives awesome bj's and from what I hear comes from a good family. But as soon as she takes that first hit she becomes someone you don't want to have in your car. She could definately clean herself up and has had plenty of opportunities to do so. When she wants it bad enough she will quit. BTW, she's in jail right now (again, 12 times in the past year) so cruising will do you no good.
As far as the stings go, I've noticed from reading the jail register that there were quite a few SW's and a john arrested in the Pac Highway area this weekend. In fact they kept the monger in jail for 17 HOURS on a solicitation charge. What BS!
As far as the hotel/motel ID thing goes, I think it is a Seattle ordinance that requires they check ID. Or it may just be that the Seattle Police community service officer has contacted every motel in the Aurora corridor and asked for voluntary compliance with the ID check. You know voluntary except if you say no we will be checking on your motel five times as often looking for problems.
Civ2000
6/26
Picked up Joni, called her voice mail, f/s for .5. Good service, kind of skinny for my taste, but all in all she does good work. Gave a extra for the lift I gave her. Twice for me is a lot, not as young I use to be. Hard working gal, not much drama. Have # for her.
Bob,
Be Safe
She did say LE has steped up enforcement, horses, foot patrol, and vice.
Be Careful
Civ,
How do you read the 'jail register'?
Thanks
The John,
So, are you saying that if you were caught with a prostitute and arrested, you have enough documents and other evidence to convince me, the juror/judge, that you are not guilty. I doubt you are going to have the correct and credible information needed to keep me, the juror/judge, from thinking you are guilty. The DA's case will be simple, you were caught in the back seat of your car with a known prostitute having sex. You however, will have to show why your excuse is plausible. You just saying so won't work.
So, you are going bring in all the paperwork that is required by law for the porn industry? How do you plan on getting a sw to let you copy and keep a legal document that has her real name on it? Remember the "knowingly" clause? If you allow her to give you false I.D. you just knowingly broke that section of the law. You say, How were you to know? The same way bars and convenience stores know, they only except valid, unexpired drivers liscence/passport and they keep the state liscence book on hand to check out of state ones.
How do you plan to keep yourself off the stand so the DA does not rip your story to shreds? What witness' do you plan on calling to support your claim? Just you having a video camra in your car with you is not going to convince a, juror/judge that you were doing a porn movie. Do you have movies that you have done that you can bring in? How about an ad that you put in the trade papers or on the internet that says you are looking for talent. Lord help your case if they bring the sw in to refute your case.
Let me come to the point. You have to convince a jury or a judge that you are legit, because the fact that a vice cop says you are guilty carry's a lot of weight with the judge/jury. Escort services are legal. That is why they are allowed to advertise. They become illegal when they are fronts for prostitution. Producing porno movies is legal, unless you are using it as a front for prostitution, in which case you better have a damn good lawer. Again I ask the question, is it worth the time, money, and risk to try your scheme, when the current tactics that most of us use is very safe? I have been doing this since 1985 and have never been busted. I am sure there are guys who have been at it longer than I have who have never had a problem. This is all conjecture until you start doing it. So go for it, and when you get caught, tell us how it turns out.
The John,
Yeah, 18 USC 2257 is clear, but the real sticky area is TAXES. Like Al Capone, you can be legit on the surface, but the taxes you pay better reflect convincingly what you are doing, or else. One reason the strip clubs are left alone is that the IRS and local goverment acctually LOVES them. They pay lots and lots of taxes. Like Capone, that is what they use against you when all else fails.
As far as talking with people in the porn industry, take what they say with a grain of salt, unless you know them personally. I actually was a PA for a porn movie my Gay uncle helped direct (a alternative version of M*A*S*H, for the curious), when I lived in LA. It actually had a pretty large budget for a porno. Other than getting one of the fluff girls to do me during a long break, it was actually pretty tedious work. Ron Jeremy had a rep as the biggest, fattest, sleazeball B.S. artist around at that time, and tried to get in on the Movie, but he was so homophobic, he basically shot himself in the foot with my uncle (who was not "flaming" gay, and in fact was rather conservative). He had a bad rep with alot of people at the time, as a person with a very quick temper, and prone to sticking his foot-in-mouth alot, among other things. He had alot higher opinion of himself ego-wise, than others did. I am constantly amazed at the respect he gets nowadays -- He is still a sleazeball. In my First Amendment opinion. Most of the bigger "stars" at the time, Ginger Lynn and Christy Canyon in particular, refused to work with him. Randy West was around then too, and with Marc Wallace, got almost all the work at the time because they not only were buff, put had an unbelievable work ethic and got along with everyone. Mind you, this was in the 80's--considered the Golden Age of Modern Porn.
OK, off-soapbox.
Big Irv, Here is the link:
http://www.metrokc.gov/dad/inmatelookup/
Un_Circumcised
06-28-04, 02:59
Maybe California (where most porn is made) has a clause in its prostitution law exempting movie-making, but WA apparently doesn't (http://www.leg.wa.gov/RCW/index.cfm?fuseaction=section§ion=9A.88.030), and the reason why paid sex suddenly becomes legal if it's done in front of a camera for profit has never made sense to me. If they were only simulating sex in films I could see the difference, but they're not. Of course this contradiction is just the tip of the iceberg in a society that is full of hypocrisies and absurdities. For more of this legal excrement and how to avoid it, check out my updated and revised Laws, Tactics, Countermeasures page (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/legal.html). If anyone has info I've missed or disagrees with my analyses and conclusions, tell me.
Speaking of Ginger Lynn, I met her and John Holmes in 1985: They were signing pictures of themselves at a cinema in Hollywood. I don't have the pictures anymore, but I still remember that Ginger signed hers Love and Lust, and Holmes signed his To ____, who taught me everything I know.
Uncut has gotten to the crux of the matter! As I said all along, this is a tremendous hassel. It is the paperwork that while not that hard to fill out, MUST be kept, and is subject to inspection (albiet on reasonble grounds, that is the law). I do not think that you would be required to have a business licence to make AMATURE porn, however, that would be dependant on the volume of material you sell (not merely create).
Of course if you made any money selling your porn, you darn well better report it or else you risk the wrath of the IRS. Perhaps a more serious concern is that I would NOT declare any of my expences and/or losses for tax purposes. I suspect expences for making porn as a private business would set off all sorts of red flags for an audit with the IRS. Even if you have the propper doucmentation, it could not be worth the hassel. And there is always a fear of non-compliance. After all there are many examples of the IRS admiting IT does NOT (consistantly) undersatnd tax regulation, but You are REQUIRED to! That said, you are not required to declare expences/losses, merely income.
I have not so much been arguing that this is a good idea. I have dismissed the idea of making (porn) content as not likely proffitable. As a practical matter it certainly is Not a solution for not getting busted while doing a SW on a car date. You might be able to dodge the soliciting provision, however, {even the Profession Porn Producers] are still subject to public nudity laws. There may also be some regulation for filming in public without a permit. (that I think is restricted to major productions that are fillmed and obstruct the public right of way) Since I have filmed some "documentery" style short when I was in school/college. And I know some people from the art Institute of Seattle who have done the same with no permit needed.
I guess I am a little preturbed about Colnago's assertion that making amature porn is illeagal. It is legal, even if one or more of your "performers" is a prostitute, even if you pay her to perform. One need not be a corporation, or even a "professional", nor do the performers need an agent. All you need is to comply with 18 USC 2257. An example of a relaese is in most if not all of Larry Flynt's publications such as Hustler, and Hustler's "Barely Legal". They solicit for amatures to send in their images. Their release form (about a paragrah long) is in excess of the requirements of the law, but I think a good guide, however, I would dispence with the bits about future goals, or favortite fantasy that a just fluff for the blurb if they publish your image(s). You can also check out some of the local "contact guides" which also have a similar form (for those that offer nude photos), in addition many of them have models offering to perform for both soft-core, and sometimes hardcore, productions.
I have never advocated that this is a clever way to circumvent the legal hassels of a 15 minute BBBJ on a car date. To make your own pornographic content is legal, but there are a number of requirements. Of course many prostitutes would be unwilling to have their images recorded (or else demand a lot more $). In fact you might be able to get a non-prostitute to perform for less, and maybe easier. And even some of the hookers that would be willing to perform, would not be willing to provide the legaly required ID.
All that being said, if a monger wished to produce his (or her) own pornograhic content, they could do so legaly. You would never have to explain yourself to a judge (as long as you comply with 18 USC 2257), and do it in private, even if for example you are "creating you content in a motel room [like many of the pros do] and get caught in a drug sweep let us say, as long as you have the propper paper work (filled out BEFORE the action begins). The prosecuter is not taking you to court, there is no case to be brought, at least not for prostitution. Just like a normal encounter with LE Do NOT TALK YOR WAY IN TO TROUBLE; if the LE threatens to arrest you, tell them, (in the case of you having a cheap digital camera on a tripod with a remote, or timer), "We were just making some pornographic content. I have my documentation here." I would answer no more questions, and request a lawyer (even a PD should be able to get you off) if the police were to arrest you for some reason. [then I would definately get a lawyer because you would have a false arrest case] As long as no one has any drugs, etc., on them.
If someone was thinking seriously about this, and still had some legal qustions, I would print out the page from FindLaw.com 18 USC 2257, use a word processer to create a simple release based on the ones in Hustler (tm), and then go see a lawyer. Tell him (or her) that you and a lady friend are intending to make your own porno, possibly for a website (or whatever), and then ask them if this would comply with the law. Most lawyers will do a half-hour consult for free for your initial talk. Then you could pay them for a 1/2 hour or hour they would need to check you document, etc. you can get contracts reviewed for about $50-$100 (you can probably even get a typed letter saying your proposed contract APPEARS to be in compliance with the law) [to keep with your other records].
Another major question: Do you really want to posses a collection of images (videos, whatever) with a Hooker and YOU engaging in sex???
Un_Circumcised
re: RCW 9A.88.030 (Prostitution)
In this case I have to disagree with you. There is a fair amount of pornography made in the greater Seattle area of Washington state. Although it is more frequently content for websites, rather than videos/DVD's. Certainly Rodney Moore has made numerous videos here in Seattle. A number of his videos have the Space Needel and/or Puget Sound in the background. And he has also filmed scenes in the Arbouretum near the U of W. (I fondly remember the spot becuse my girlfriend [at the time] and I went there for a similer purpose, although we made no video LOL).
We have the same exemption to the laws on prostitution that they do in California. The 1st Amendment to the US (and WA) Constitution(s).
Although of course you are right, it is a big apparent contradiction. Certainly many of the authorities think so, as does certain segments of society. However, even this realatively conservative court has re-affirmed the previous decisions re-garding pornagraphy being protected by the 1st Amendment (even exotic dancing???).
But just because it COULD be done, does not necessarilly mean that it is a good idea to do it.
IMHO "solving" the problem of being arrested for soliciting a prostitute by keeping records and photograpic images of you and the same young woman making leagal porno content; is akin to burning down your house to "solve" the problem of termites!
Was out thursday night on Auora picked up a hsw around mid-night. Quoted .40 for cbj and took her offer. Great service for the price. I belive her name was Sky. I would rate her a 7 for sw.
Don't know if she offers f/s will try next time I'm up in the area.
GettingTang
06-28-04, 19:15
Anyone esle have difficulties these past few weeks accessing the worldsexguide site? I can't pull it up 75% of the time. Is it the whole site, or just me?
TANG~!
Sunday Night:
I've been out of town for a few days and can testify that there is little, if not no, monger opportunity in the San Juan Islands. However, on the way home last night I did manage to score a $.2 bbbjtcws from Linda off the Winona bench at 10:30 PM. WSW, long dark hair, a little older than I typically like them, but as usual with older SWs, great unhurried technique and good conversation--hell she had me laughing all the way back to her spot telling me stories about recent mongers (like the guy that caught his underwear under his seat adjustment control and ripped them in half trying to put his pants back on). All in all a very good experience.
I missed out on most of the shared room/porno studio discussion, however, I have one additional idea. I used to rent a garage off the beaten path to store an old car I was considering rebuilding. I eventually sold the car but had a one year lease on the garage. It even came with an automatic garage door opener. I used it about 30 times for car dates and it was perfect. I think I paid $50 a month for it in the mid 90s. It was next to an industrial zone and nobody gave a s**t about anything going on there. A group could share the garage with some similar outside reference as to whether it is in use or not.
Cheers, HS
"I guess I am a little preturbed about Colnago's assertion that making amature porn is illeagal. It is legal, even if one or more of your "performers" is a prostitute, even if you pay her to perform. One need not be a corporation, or even a "professional", nor do the performers need an agent."
John, never said filming porno is against the law. Read this part of my thread.
"Escort services are legal. That is why they are allowed to advertise. They become illegal when they are fronts for prostitution. Producing porno movies is legal, unless you are using it as a front for prostitution, in which case you better have a damn good lawer."
The flaw in your plan is that you look like a porno producer on the surface, but because you lack the product for sale, distribution, and all the other types of connections that a person really interested in selling porn would have, it makes for a weak case if you get busted. Police just need probable cause to arrest you, and finding you doing the wild thing will give them that. Even if you have all the documents that the law requires on your person, they will nail you on indeceny laws. Even movie makers can't have sex in public where minors might see.
The John wrote;
"IMHO "solving" the problem of being arrested for soliciting a prostitute by keeping records and photograpic images of you and the same young woman making leagal porno content; is akin to burning down your house to "solve" the problem of termites!"
You are just figuring that out now?
Colnago wrote;
"Again I ask the question, is it worth the time, money, and risk to try your scheme, when the current tactics that most of us use is very safe?"
Uncut wrote;
"Yeah, 18 USC 2257 is clear, but the real sticky area is TAXES. Like Al Capone, you can be legit on the surface, but the taxes you pay better reflect convincingly what you are doing, or else."
My whole point has been all along is that the idea of making yourself look like a porno producer to use an excuse for when you get caught is full of pitfalls. If your a porno producer, it will be easy to prove in court. If you are not, the DA, who breaks down liars for a living, will find a whole in your story and then you are in trouble. What most of us are doing now is cheaper and safer.
Ledhead Pooner
06-28-04, 22:16
It's tough to lay out a convincing argument expressing your point of view or to add anything to the discussion here if YOU CAN"T GO EVEN ONE SENTENCE WITHOUT SPELLING SOMETHING WRONG! There is nothing worse than some monger blabbering on and on while writing at a less than second grade level....The John, meet The Dictionary, and soon please!
LP
Head Snap,
There are these artist studios in Pioneer Square on Alaskan Way I always thought would be great. The are in the basement, of a low income apartment building. They have heavy steel doors, and are about 15x30 feet. This would easily fit a bed chairs mirrors and other things that would make the deed more exciting. Late at night, there is rarely anybody in their studios, no that they would care.
Web Builder
06-29-04, 00:20
well guys,
thought i would give you a southend report from the redondo stroll. friday evening was an adventure for me but a real downer for a lot of sw's. undercover le were everywhere. i was out by 7:30 and by 7:40 i had already found the first team of undercover le. there were 2 **** sw wanna be's standing with their backs to the bus sign with two plain le talking hard at them. one half block south of them 1 suv was surrounded by two plain le cars and more le undercouvers jawing at two black guys. their suv doors were all open and it was being searched. they were hung up there for 20 more minutes. that was just south of the midway swap meet on pac hiway south.
so i was on guard. i saw one wsw in the redondo parking lot. 5'7" long red hair and not bad looking at all pink blouse with v front and black pants. i passed looking for a sw known to me. over the next hour i drove between 272nd and kent/desmoines road 5 or 6 times with little to report. i was sitting in the safeway lot up by the shell station when i saw le lights going in next to the bank. an sw just coming into the area had propositioned a undercouver le. she was hand cuffed and hauled off. the other car of the team was over by the redondo bar. they also had one and within 5 minutes they were gone. over the next hour i listened to the radio and watched. i saw sws i had never seen before and two more were hauled off in cuffs. i left and headed for home. i saw a different set of under le working a few blocks north of kent/desmoines road. 2 car set. in downtown kent at a gas station just north of the k-mart lot 3 more cars pulled into the gas station and 6 more le piled out there one being a very nice looking female le. at that point i headed directly for home as fast as i legally could. saturday 3 to 5 pm same stroll was empty of sws.
sitting on the side lines for now,
web builder
Fremont Guy
06-29-04, 04:08
Crusied from Denny thru Krispy Kreme tonight and spotted couple LE cruising from 85th thru cemetery. There were just pimps wannabe walking around and not a SW in sight.
It looks like LE want to spend the taxpayer's money on some victimless crime. I hope they can get their priority straight this summer and stay out from our hobby or I will support Tim Eyman to cut property tax
Leadhead Pooner
and anyone else I may have offended with bad spelling and grammer.
I am sorry but I am addicted to "spell-check"!
Unfortunately many of the WP programs result in conflicts when transfered onto Jackson's website here, as anyone who has seen the nasty grams he attaches to many posts he must delay and edit. In the interest of reducing his (and any local moderaters) I just enter my reports direct. Even though this may make me look worse, I usually "Preview Message" before submitting it.
I too am annoyed by the frequent typos and other errors in posts made by others. In particular those that make it more difficult to understand the descriptions (or arguments) they are attempting to make.
My primary effort is to provide timely and useful information, and useful or at least thought provoking ideas. I am afraid that spelling and grammer fall somewhat further down on my list. However, LHP has a point, poor writing and spelling can detract from a presentation, in the same way that a person who is not well spoken does not present as complelling an argument.
Had some time on my hands Monday night so I did the rounds. Starting around 11:30PM, I went south from the George Town area. I did not see a thing through the E. Marginal to South Park area. Mondays always seems to be crappy. There was one old girl standing on 14th. in South Park. Looked kinda butch for my tastes. Kinda like she would rip the doors off your car if you had a disagreement.
Continued on down 99 through SeaTac, seeing only a couple of young black girls both with the boyfriends in tow. That was around Larry's.
There is a small black woman that I always see just about 2 blocks north of Fred Meyers. It is so dark there that I am always passing before I spot her. She is small and on the trim side of the weight scale. But I still have no Idea what she looks like.
On to the Redondo, about 12:30 it was quite busy. Although rather weird. The providers were all paired up. There were 2 sets of young, nice looking black women. And a single pair of white girls. They were all so cautious that it was not easy to get their attention. I drive an old car and do not look like Brad Pitt. It was obvious to me that they were looking for bigger fish.
The black ladies were all in their 20's and nice looking. But the 2 white kiddies were trouble. They walked about a 1/4 mile south on 99 while I tried to talk to them. One was a dark haired cutey about 5'6" with shoulder length hair. She was MAYBE 18. The other half of the pair was a very cute little blonde that could not have been more than 15. Didn't mess around there after realizing the ages.
I ended up back in the city around 2AM on Bell to pick up an older gal. 40ish, with a good attitude and straight forward service. .3 for bb and a 5 tip cause she was nice about it. Well that at least took the edge off of things. But I was not destined to make it home yet.
Went by Rascals to see what was up and went up the hill on Des Moines/Memorial. A couple of miles up the road heading toward Burien. I see a small, decent looking hispanic woman hitching on the other side of the road. At this time I am only thinking about checking it out, but she comes across the street to tell me she needs to make .3 and would like to give me a bj. I didn't think about it for too long and we were off. We parked in front of her house and did the deed. She was quite nice, in her mid 20's , red hair and a trim body. I got the feeling that she is not always available and just needed some crack.
Wambo
Web Builder's Friday night report pretty much jibes with what I noticed on the jail register the next morning: lot's of folks getting busted for prostitution related offenses. Bummer. Be careful.
Went for a cruise last night for a couple of hours. I saw Goth in her usual spot; AAA Alison in the doorway of the 41st Street Pedestrian overpass; a couple of young BSW's on Aurora at Thomas; and a couple of possibles in the AAA area. It seemed like the wannabe pimps outnumbered the SW's three to one. And saw Sparkle entering the Winona 7-11.
Today around noon did the Hurricane to145th cruise and saw NADA. It's been a pretty bleak summer so far. Last year by this time things were quite a bit better and the weather wasn't as nice. Not only has there not been an influx of new talent -- we seem to have lost some of the better ones that were here through the winter and spring.
Has anyone seen Desiree lately?
Civ
civ2000,
I agree with you fully. The AAA was full of girls as early as June, and July, the selection was great. I was pooning three times a week last year and never had the same sw twice.
GettingTang
06-29-04, 18:26
Was in Seattle yesterday and today. Went out late last night and picked up a nice SW, a brunette, in the Fred Meyer parking lot. Piror to picking her up, I noticed at least 5 others working the stroll. (and you people complain? you got variety in Seattle!) Anyhow, we parked at a park she took me to nearby and she gave me an unbelievable BBBJTCIM. What was most amazing is after she swallowed my load, she sat-up and said "nice protein snack" Then she grabbed my pecker and milked out a little more cum, wiped it with her finger and lapped it up!
She told me how "sweet my cum tasted" and then asked me if I had been eating some smoked salmon lately. I had earlier in the day at pikes market! I replied, "Why do you ask?" (in amazement), she replied "because I can taste it in your cum" !!!!!!!!!!!
Now this was a first for me. The girl was named "Lori" she was about 5'4", very petite, said she was 26, and was totally into giving head!
She went down on me and had me ready to cum before I was even all the way hard, she was that good! I asked her to back off and "tease me a bit" she said, she looked up at me with her tongue on my pecker and replied "oh you like to be teased?" she then got a big smile and for the next 20-25 minutes would work me over, get me right to the edge of release and then hold me in her mouth while she squeezed me off! It was amazing and much needed.
You mongers got it good here in Seattle! Will be out looking again tonight, I got Lori's number, but she told me upfront, she is rarely home and hard to reach.
What an encounter!
TANG~!
Tonight was a little better than last night. I spotted that Barracuda Diamond walking by the cemetary looking quite nervous.
If you recall she is the one who will stop while she's giving a blow job and ask "are you sure you're not a cop"?
She is a short BSW with large hooters and must be 19 or so by now. Titman and I have both partaken of her services and if I may be so bold as to speak for him, we both would avoid her like the plague.
Very nervous, wants to park literally 50 feet from where you pick her up, poor service, lousy bbbj, "are you done yet?" Expensive.
She got picked up right away. Not one of you guys I hope?
Avoid this one! Civ
Sun Seeker II
06-30-04, 01:46
LE In Denny Area Tactics.
First post here and just wanted to run this by you guys. I was out a week ago Saturday night in the Denny area downtown. LE had one cop outside is car with a clipboard on the roof of the car for about an hour and a half. Suspect he was taking license plate numbers of persistent cruisers. A block or 2 away another cop was doing the leg work and possibly pulling people over to question what they were up to. Is this normal practice?
Sunseeker
I have been in Seattle for the last 5 days and I decided to head out tonight and see the street action. I am from Chicago and I was nervous as hell doing it.
I was amazed at the variety you guys have it out here compared to what we have in the Windy City. I saw a good dozen women out from Aurora and Denny way all the way down to Aurora and 90th. Most of the Women we @ Harrison and Aurora. I picked up a HSW/BSW named Shynita (I am sure I am butchering the spelling).
She asked if I could give her a ride to Hurricanes and off we went. We skipped Hurricanes, and I took her back to my hotel room. For 5 jacksons we did half and half. She was an absolute cute women. Nice rack and great behind. She finished me off on top.
Anyways all in all a good time.
Looks: 6
Atitude: 8
Oral Skills: 7
Body: 8
Anyways it was a real good time, I am sure I paid a little too much but it was because we were going back to my hotel room. She originally quoted me $40.00, but I wanted to take her back to my place.
She said something interesting to me, she said LE has been very very heavy and that she has 6 cases pending against her. She thinks she will beat them all.
Anyways thanks for the information provided on this board, it saved me alot of time.
YM
Tight Grip
06-30-04, 10:48
Looks like Lake City Way is becoming a warm spot for activity. Every time I spot a sw or get to chat with one I always have to be somewhere within the next few minites. I have spotted 4 working LCW in the last three weeks. That is up from 0 which is the amount I have seen before then. Maybe they are moving to LCW to avoid the apparent crackdown and high LE activity on Aurora.
Stay Safe,
TG
Tired_Driver
06-30-04, 14:23
Greetings...
Can anyone suggest an Incall, AMP or other type of hobbyist entertainment near SEATAC Airport?
I am doing a layover and don't feel like watching Spectravision. I won't be alone so calling in isn't an option.
Thanks for any advice!
TD
Tired Driver,
If you travel south on International Blvd/Pacific Highway/Hwy99 you will see sw all the way to Federal Way. In Federal Way there are also some AMP. However, The area has been experiencing a crack down by LE. If you do not Know the "Lay Of The Land", it could be a bad situation. If it were me, I would check out the last several months of posts, pick a girl out, and PM a monger for a phone number. There are tones of cheap hotels and a hot tub place that you could use to meet a girl. If you like tall blondes, I recomend Maliyha. I would help you out except I lost my cell phone and all my numbers(sigh).
Un_Circumcised
06-30-04, 23:55
Wambo wrote: "Went by Rascals to see what was up and went up the hill on Des Moines/Memorial. A couple of miles up the road heading toward Burien. I see a small, decent looking hispanic woman hitching on the other side of the road...."
That was on or near Des Moines Memorial Dr? Here's a map of the area (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/maps//maps/extmap/*-http://maps.yahoo.com//maps_result?name=&ed=zo9qdup_0To60HV_wkYn8xlApI.x3Dx77WVkYYzxlMTu.3d.3TKyLMU_UKQTSjMaf4awRl5vBVlTk6b0a4MHtC5Cg8E6w7H7Zk1M5Hk0Y2b2k6CPhDuUEzpqwc4dnElP5A--&csz=Seattle%2C+WA+98168-2228&desc=&mag=8&ds=n&state=WA&uzip=98168&country=US&BFKey=&resize=s).
GettingTang wrote: "Was in Seattle yesterday and today. Went out late last night and picked up a nice SW, a brunette, in the Fred Meyer parking lot."
Which one are you referring to? I'm guessing it's either the one at 18325 Aurora Ave N in Shoreline or the one at 25250 Pacific Hwy S in Kent.
Regarding the discussion about porn and prostitution, I had another thought that points out the inconsistency of criminalizing one and not the other: Let's say some people get together to take illegal drugs. Then let's say someone is filming this scene. Does the fact that someone is filming make the drug use legal? Of course not, and the film would probably be used against the druggies in court if they could be identified. Yet that's what seems to happen when people have paid sex acts in front of the camera: I hire a woman to fuck me in private, and it's illegal prostitution. Someone hires two women to lick each others' anuses on film (something they would probably not do for free), and it's legal pornography. Now I love porn and I'm not arguing that it should be outlawed, but can you see the hypocrisy here? Another example is the Jerry Springer Show: He had to hire security guys to prevent people from physically assaulting each other because the Chicago cops threatened to bust him for facilitating crime. Why is Springer not allowed to let illegal acts take place on his set in the name of the First Amendment, yet the porn industry is?
Seattle - Vancouver street guide (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html)
Wednesday night report: Very warm evening and nearly a full moon out: beautiful night for a cruise. I find it almost impossible to stay home on nights like this.
I spotted the Michelle with the dyed blonde hair and big hooters and Diamond in the 137th to 145th area. A fine looking HSW by Aurora Donuts that got snagged by the time I got back around. A couple of WSW's who were San Quentin Quail near the Jack off in the Box at 85th. Goth in her usual spot and police cruising AAA and Denny Park.
In fact lots of LE out tonight. I picked up a regular who said the police are as bad as they've ever been right now. She said the SPD is communicating with Kent/Des Moines PD and when they crack down out there Seattle counters by beefing up their SW/John patrols. It seems there is a major effort to keep things from spiraling out of control like in summers past. It's been quite a while but the SPD has in the past sent letters to the registered owners of vehicles that their car was seen making multiple passes in a prostitution area. So Sun Seeker may be right.
She also told me that most of the SW's working the Aurora/Thomas/Denny area right now are thiefs stealing wallets, credit cards, trying to observe the PIN at cash machines, etc. She said she was getting teased for being a "flatbacker" the other day because she actually has sex with her clients. She said most of the new gals are doing it especially the young BSW's, not the established gals that we report on.
I think it's time to use Uncircumcised's advice about avoiding the rip off. Carry an extra key for the ignition. Carry only as much money as you plan to spend with perhaps an extra twenty for incidentals. Keep your wallet and credit cards safely locked up in the trunk and don't use the cash machine. Perhaps carry a "mongering" wallet. Keep your driver's license on you though. Keep an eye on them and make an extra pass or two through the area to make sure LE is not watching or following. Ask for ID.
Stay Safe! Civ2000
Fremont Guy
07-01-04, 03:05
If what Civ2000 said is true about LE possible sending letter to register owner for crusing the SOAP. Why don't they start taking photos of every African American Gentlmen on the street for possible drug dealing and pimping. Those grown up men should know how to use the resources effectively, don't go to the media crying when their budget got cut.
Un_Circumcised,
Wambo wrote: "Went by Rascals to see what was up and went up the hill on Des Moines/Memorial. A couple of miles up the road heading toward Burien ".
That was on or near Des Moines Memorial Dr?
Yup, that's the area. The only discernible landmark out in that dark wilderness is the Shell station. They have lights, and sure enough, a few little delicate moths are lured into the bright light on occasion.
Wambo
SoSoundGuy
07-01-04, 10:05
Colnago -- Speaking of AMPs in the south end, has anyone ever tried out the Studio Spa and Tan just to the north of Fred Meyer near Midway? I went by there the other night after 10:00 and they were still open and with the opaque covering on thier windows they kind of fit the AMP pattern but I have never seen a review of them. Anyone tried them out?
I do not know, but I can imagine that SPD stopped that type of practice for fear of getting sued. Can you imagine some guy with the exact same model car as mine, who just stopped to get gas at the Shell station, or was staying at one of the hotels, getting sent a letter by accident and it ruining his marriage? That is really opening up your exposure to getting sued. Seems to me if the LE had proof that you were doing something illegal, then they would stop you. I just thought of something... What if they make the area a no cruising zone like at Alki?
South sound Guy,
That place looks so third rate, I have never even considered going there. It looks like it might be run by guys who were out drinking one night and thought it would be cool to get into the Massage business to make a few bucks. I do not know for sure, though.
Colnago, I don't think they sent the letters based on type or model of car, rather by license plate. I believe the letters read something like: "Your car was observed repeatedly circling the block approximately 3 a.m. Tuesday May 11th. You may not be aware that this area is well-known for prostitution and drug activity." It was in the early 1990's and I remember reading that a lot of these were mailed out in envelopes plainly marked Seattle Police Department -- so obviously the wife would be keenly curious about the contents.
The same goes for those signs up and down Aurora that read Prostitution Area License Numbers are being recorded. I think they originally intended to send letters to those guys as well who were suspected of picking up SW's. Presumably they figured as long as they weren't accusing -- just stating what they had seen, they were in the clear legally. If the guy were picking up the wife or daughter at a bus stop he would have a great excuse -- otherwise he'd have some explaining to do.
Have a great 4th of July weekend guys!
Civ2000
GettingTang
07-01-04, 18:29
Bottom line here is simple. We do not live, (or supposed to not live) in a police state. This is not the former Soviet Union, or republic of China.
If you want to pickup a girl walking along the side of the road, do so! This is America! This is not a crime, no matter how it "looks" or where it is! The fact is, the police still have to prove you offered $ for sexual services! PERIOD! Nothing else matters!
For crying out-loud, we just had the supreme court of the land hold up the rights for the porn industry to push their smut onto our children. (something I'm against)! And here we have people worrying about a cop writing down license plate numbers. Let them, who cares, they still can't prosecute you. And if you do get one of those letters in the mail and your wife reads it, get an attorney and sue! You would have a case for sure. Or better yet, follow them around for a few weeks and send letters to their wives! Afterall aren't they too frequanting a known prostiution area? How about we all follow the cops around for weeks on end and film how long they go on breaks and how often they violate people's due procerss and rights? We can you know. It could work both ways here.
TANG~!
Tang, It does matter though. If your marriage gets ruined by a letter from the police in the mail, even if you can sue, the marriage is still over. If you pick up a girl on the side of the road and she happens to have a warrant, gets searched, and drugs are found -- guess what? You can lose your car. It does matter.
The Supreme Court said in their decision that access to porn is a right of free speech and if parents don't want their kids to access those sites there are good filters out there that work very well in limiting access to those sites. I've tryed them and they work extremely well. I think parents -- not the Supreme Court should be responsible for what our kids see.
If you are wealthy, don't have to work, can purchase video equipment and can follow the cops around for weeks on end then by all means do so. It does work both ways but for most of us it would be extremely unrealistic. Get a clue, Tang!
A lot of what the police do is unconstitutional: vehicle seizures, SOAP areas, etc and more with the Patriot Act. They just know the average citizen can't and won't sue (may not have the means) and they can get away with this crap for years without getting called on it. In addition the average guy/gal who does not monger thinks its great when a John gets a letter in the mail/his car seized, etc, etc., and his wife finds out. My ex-wife probably thinks all guys who do this deserve what they get.
If there was a public outcry against this stuff it would be one thing. But when was the last time you saw a column in the newspaper or a polititian on TV saying that Johns were being treated unfairly? Never.
Civ2000
GettingTang
07-01-04, 20:58
Same concept with cops, how many times have we heard of a huge case that 80% of American's are against, yet the ACLU or liberal courts in this country uphold their interpretation of the constitution.
Sure about 75% of American's may not "feel sorry" for a monger as you put it, but it does not matter. If due process and the order of law is violated then the courts must act!
Trust me, it's only a matter of time before the ACLU is representing a monger who lost his car, home, wife, etc.! It will happen and when it does, it will be a great day for all of us who feel prostitution she be legal.
What will happen, is LE will soon realize that they will have a very hard time enforcing the laws, if they play by the rules, so it might force politicians to further review legalizing it!
I once lived in a huge Condo complex in Point Loma, California, there was another new condo complex breaking ground directly across from where I resided. The construction crew would show-up at 6:00-6:15 AM every morning and start construction. They would do this before the 7 AM legal time set forth by the city. Needless to say with very loud machinery, etc., etc. it was so loud, many of the old timers had to rent other apartments to avoid the very disturbing noise.
So a bunch of us got together and approached the construction foreman and many of the construction workers to ask if it would be somehow possible for them to start their work at 8 AM. Many of the workers were for it, many of the foreman on the site, understood and were for it.
The owner of the complex got wind of what we were attempting to do and threatened to file a lawsuit against us for even complaining!
So being the creative individual I am, a bunch of us (including a few 70+ year old folks) found out where this idiot lived, for the next three days we showed up at this fat piece of shit's home every morning with Harley's, chainsaws, weed-whackers, lawnmowers, one lady even brought some trash can lids.
Needless to say, we woke him up every morning, rather rudely. At the end of the third day, he issued an apology letter to the complex and started his workers at 10 AM!
My point to all of this? Cops engage in prostitution at likely the same percentage rate, if not higher, then non cops! Prostitution being illegal in this country, is truly a hypocritical situation!
TANG~!
Hello all,
I'm new to the hobby as well as Seattle AND the site, and I was hoping to get some pointers on successful mongering (no, I'm not LE).
It's not that I've been lazy, quite the contrary. In the last three weeks, I've made the rounds on Aurora from Denny to Everett with very little success. I managed to pick up one WSW, but she was skitzing on some drugs and started sloppily eating sardines out of a tin the second she got in my car! When I had obvious second thoughts, she grabbed the coins in my change tray and took off. What a nut. So, clearly, a bad start. I even went to the Redondo Grill and back, on the 99 the whole way, and remained luckless. It's not that I'm hideous. I literally saw nobody except two likely SW's that are probably preparing for their sophomore year of high school and a very very heavy woman that looked to be in her late 40's. I've driven Hwy 99 at all hours, trying every time slot from 9 am to 2 am.
Okay, enough whining. I'm pretty sure I know what to look for, and they just haven't been out when I'm looking. I know I can chalk some of this up to hard luck, but if any of you seasoned pros would be kind enough to take a young buck under your wing with a sentence or two of direct advice, it would be greatly appreciated. I've read several dozen pages back on the site but still hit a wall when out searching for "romance". I would be most grateful if a generous monger or two would be willing to make a recommendation or even offer a phone number. I promise to return the favor once I've found surer footing.
Thanks in advance, guys.
Yours,
Jake
>>> For 5 jacksons we did half and half.... I am sure I paid a little too much but
You're right. WSG Northwest Price Survey: Seattle hobbyists - recently in PDX it has come to our attention that "Summer rates have gone up" - in fact, girls in many cases are trying to DOUBLE the time honored, standard street fare.
Please read the Portland thread and give a short reply, here or there. Are more & more guys willing to pay a benjamin Franklin for straight action/ half 'n half? This is getting ridiculous. We are seeing some cute girls lately,.. but with very stuck-up attitudes. Seems a CBJ car date, has now doubled to a grant???
What is happening around the Northwest? Thank you for your time. STOP THE SW RATE HIKE!
Police tend to think the whole world is guilty. Civ, the situation I was trying to present was an innocent person getting snared in the police web. Think about what happened during WTO. The city took some pretty hard shots in that siuation from people who were just trying to get home ..ect who got attacked by the police. Here is a true story;
The SPD picked up a drug dealer and convinced him to roll over on his supplier, which he did. They raided the house that he supplier said, to find two old asian ladies who they cuffed and man handled. After ripping the house apart, they just left without trying explain themselves. The two old ladies happened to be the mother and wife of Henry Chinn, who, at the time, was the State Gambling Commissioner. Needless to say, heads were rolling at SPD, and a few careers were done.
I think when there starts to be collateral damage of innocents, that is when LE changes thier tactics. If the the letter program was sucessful, what would have made them stop? It could not be the cost, It is cheap to send bulk mailings, and with some sort of mail merge form letter, we our talking low man hours.
Nut Hang,
I know I have been willing to pay a little more lately. There has been a reduction of quality talent as of late, which makes me a little more hesitant to kick a cutie to the curb. Also, as other posts attest, LE is starting to be more aggressive towards mongers, so I am spending less time cruising. I try to pick one, and be out of the area in under an hour.
Civ
What if you pick up someone who has warrants but no drugs? Do you still lose your car? I have another Q but I will PM you.
Un_Circumcised
07-02-04, 18:14
GettingTang wrote: "If you want to pickup a girl walking along the side of the road, do so! This is America! This is not a crime, no matter how it "looks" or where it is! The fact is, the police still have to prove you offered $ for sexual services! PERIOD! Nothing else matters!"
I wish you were right about that, Tang, but you're not. There are prostitution loitering laws in Seattle and virtually every other jurisdiction in WA with streetwalkers, and they essentially say that anything that looks like prostitution is prostitution--and allow cops to hassle and even arrest people for it. Here is the link to Seattle's loitering law (http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~scripts/nph-brs.exe?s1=12A.10.010&s2=&S3=&Sect4=AND&l=20&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect3=PLURON&Sect5=CODE1&d=CODE&p=1&u=/~public/code1.htm&r=1&Sect6=HITOFF&f=G). I've read the ones for other cities and counties, and they're similar (some are marginally more encompassing, others marginally less so). True, legal excrement like this flies in the face of what we're constantly told this country is about, but most Americans are apparently content with such hypocrisy and contradiction. My philosophy of a free country is that people who do no harm to others should not be harmed by the government--and being morally offended by your neighbor's sexual lifestyle or what drugs he takes for kicks does not constitute harm.
On the issue of turning the tables on the cops and monitoring them, I was interested to recently learn that a famous anti-prostitution crusader in Oklahoma City now has a a page on his website to document the harassment he's received from the police (http://www.videovigilante.com/OCPDharrassment.htm)--who apparently didn't like it when he videotaped two cops beating a marijuana-eating john (http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1750.html) and turned the tape over to the media (it's appeared on Court TV nationally).
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Mr Peepers
07-02-04, 18:27
Hello all, ok let me report what I saw yesterday while driving northbound on pacific hwy south in the north side street. At 5pm-
5:30pm near fred meyers store, there was 2 youngersters aka female lolitas dressed to the hookers way of shor skirts and tank tops and small purse. One older looking girl was smiling and waving and a lucky monger picked her up. This was the older looking blonde brownish hair type wsw. The younger one like under age 18 was walking and watching who was going to slow down and pick her up too! There came a thought on what to do
And do I take pics of them ? I rather see if anyone has ideas on this problem and if you can take pics of working girls that can or might be age questionable? When later on while heading southbound there was alot le working that area driving up and down and no girls were around after that time. It can be a sting or who knows? Someone posted a report and got alot trouble on here with a lolita report and i don't know what happend to that report either. The other thing happend while i was driving in "company vehicle", about 10am today fri on aurora ave n and 85 st n to north 130th and aurora ave n. A fellow monger driving a beat up 2 door olds cutlass supreme was mongering and side by side with me and looking booth sides of the street too ! I waved him on and he smiled and laughed till we both pull up side by side then we chit chatted and he didnt know anyting about the board or internet? I wonder if this is anyone here or mistaken identity ehheheheheheh to me it looked funny running into someone from the board ! ok that is what happend today !
Jake Chad, Welcome to the wonderful world of johns and hookers, cops and pimps, car seizures and arrests, crack hoes and vice!
My first advice to you is to get a second job: mongering can get expensive. If you only pick up two thirty dollar dates a week you're looking at about $3100 a year not counting gas and time.
Sorry, just messing with you a bit.
My first advice would be to pick your area carefully. A newby would probably do best not picking up in the Hurricane/Denny Park/South Park/White Center/Rainier/Beacon/Central areas. These are mostly seasoned pros with drug habits. I would check out the AAA or the eastside of Aurora near Denny Street tonight and pick up one of the young hotties. Also, check out the 41st street pedestrian overpass for Alison and check Winona for Sparkle, older Linda, or dyed blonde Michelle. All great gals for the new monger.
Make sure you get them in your car before saying anything. I mean anything. Don't even ask them what time it is before they're in your car and you're driving away. This is the best single piece of advice I can give you.
Lastly, go to Uncirc's site and study his methods of keeping safe and avoiding getting ripped off or arrested (link given on the previous post). He is probably the foremost authority on this subject on this thread.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting! Civ
P. S. Anybody watching Wimbledon right now? There is a young blonde Russian gal playing that has me so hot I'm going to have to take a cruise.
Tang, What difference does it make that cops monger as well? When their bosses Kerlikowski and Nichols tell them to go bust hookers and johns aren't they obligated to comply? What an amazing revelation you're giving to us all: that police sometimes break the very laws they enforce. I'M SHOCKED!!! Civ
NorthSeattle
07-02-04, 19:19
I've been driving up and down Aurora, as I regularly due several times daily. Not mongering just shopping or running errands.
What's very upsetting is that I've observed, "LE Patrol Cars" almost every trip during the normal daytime hours stopping, annoying and hassling any Woman walking along Aurora or waiting for the Bus.
I'm not talking about "SW's" as I've actually observed then stopping Woman/Girls who are definitely not prostitutes some whom I'm familiar with who work in the Shops on both sides of Aurora between 125th/136th Street and between Winoa/Northgate Way on Aurora.
Today 2 Oriental Girls were actually crying after being accosted by the Police, they regularly take the Bus since I've observed them several times waiting for buses. I'm pretty sure they are students as they always have small backpacks.
The Police Officer, shook his head, acted put upon, shrugged, waved his arms in frustration and drove away looking perturbed. What a load of crap. This was at 2:15 PM this afternoon. If I had been able to copy his license Plate I would have reported the incident. I have noticed that most of this Investigation seems to be done by single occupant patrol cars, with smug, self important officers.
Another more interesting observation is that I've often seem Patrol Cars, give SW's a nod of recognition while driving past them. When I've mentioned this to working woman, they said it's because they've been keeping a eye out for the pervert who has been trying to molest them along Aurora.
North Seattle
Hwy-99 South from South 360th Street to the Hwy 518 overpass a mile or so past Sea-Tac was thick with LE, and thin with SW. I had to pick someone up at the airport, so I cruised Hwy-99 from about 10:30 PM to about midnight, and then again after 1:30 AM. I saw at least 8 instances of LE pulling cars over, or questioning young women on the side of the HWY. Then I heard from Michelle (18-19, "bad libriarian"), she said that the crack-down is still in full force.
I am hoping that the "Nazi"-like crack-down on firecrackers will distract the LE from stamping out SW's and mongers! I sometimes wonder about our colective sanity! Yesterday they pulled some woman out of her car on the Ferry;their radiation detectors went off BECAUSE SHE WAS RETURNING HOME FROM CHEMO-THERAPY!!! For the Love of Mike, somebody needs to pull their head out!
GettingTang
07-02-04, 20:56
Northseattle,
If the story you indicate is true, you need to document these encounters, take these women to an attorney and sue the shit out of the SPD!
I can think of few things more humiliating for a woman who is not a SW, to be accused of being one, out in the open street in front of passer byes. Everyone who drives by, certainly will think the girl being hassled is a hooker!
If this happened to my sister, wife, daughter, that cop would have to answer some serious questions, through my attorney of-course! (i don't have any of these)
TANG~!
PS. Civ, your insults are getting old. Typical juvenile responses. All you do is counter everything I say, put a simple spin on it and run with it. If you don't believe this is a simple task to complete, want me to show you how? I can weed through your posts, pick out any statement and ridicule it! It's really not that difficult and a rather juvenile idea! In your last statement, you make fun of the fact I brought up how a LE officer might break the law. Is this not a true point? So by countering what I said with ("What an amazing revelation you're giving to us all: that police sometimes break the very laws they enforce. I'M SHOCKED!!! Civ") Does nothing to make your point!
I could use that same exact tactic and apply it to anything and everything you write about also. It proves nothing and makes you look like an idiot!
Big Baller
07-03-04, 01:47
Hey Tang and Civ,
You both have been great material and information providers for all of us the Washington state mongers, so I would suggest not to start unnessesary fights.
When will we learn to not take everything so serious?
North Seattle,
You make a good observation about LE. There are ones who understand that their job is to protect and serve everyone using the tools that the law gives them, tempered by respect and decency. Then, there are those that bask in the power that they hold. These are the ones that feel the law does not apply to them, and that the end justifies the means. Unfourtunatly, these are the ones that innoccent people tend to come into contact with. I had a KC cop tow me illegaly once. I filed a complaint(Which is hard to do because the police try to discourage you from doing so), They found him guilty, and my case was thrown out. Do not let them get away with harassment.
I wonder if this is part of the "trickle down" of the Patriot Act. It seems in this country that those in charge right now feel that civil and constitutional rights are bendable, plyable, and are just guidlines on how to treat individuals.
I had the opportunity this week to jump off the lurker side and into the fun. It was a nice warm day and Michelle accomodated my playful attittude with a little french lesson. She was very accomodating to this newbie and took the edge off for me.
Thanks all for steering me in the right direction.
I spent the last two nights checking out Aurora and the AAA. Both nights had 4-6 marked and undercover vice cruising the area. Thurs. night, the few SW that were out , got harrassed by police. They were also doing the same to mongers. I did see some sporadic activity on Aurora. Sat. night was zippo. I saw 2BSW and that was it. However I did not spend much time out.
Tony Hoeprano
07-03-04, 05:57
Not much out there in Seatown Friday night. AAA area was dead. Now, the next thing that happened is a downright shame. I cruised all the way down Aurora and saw not a damned thing. Then I cruise up to Shoreline where the casinos are and spot 3 SW on the side of. I think it's called the Hideaway Casino, I'm not for sure though, but it's located on a corner (I do know it's not parkers, the drift on inn, or that club hollywood).
The 3 SW, one is bsw, one wsw and the other might have been a latino mix, it was dark so it's hard to say. the WSW was smokin! she was older, maybe in her mid-30's, a definite MILF. She was wearing a nice white skirt with very sexy white boots. So she approaches my vehicle and opens the door. Unfortunately, instead of climbing in, she asks me if i want company. My hear about sank, lol. I said no and drove off, damn and she smelled good too.
Colnago is certainly right about the LE. They were out in force this morning. I went out for a rare 2-3 am cruise. As I turned the corner by the AMP there were 3 patrol cars parked in the middle of the street. I then drove over by the Hurricane and there was another parked in front and two more in the parking lot just northwest of the cane. More cops cruising Denny Park. Wow. I'm usually not out that late but have never seen so many.
There were two very young BSW's working Aurora and Harrison on the eastside who the cops were virtually ignoring. I got the distinct feeling they were waiting and watching for someone to pick them up. While I was out no one did fortunately. Civ
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