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Monger01
09-27-18, 18:06
Sugar Baby Guide based on my experience with it.

Pros of having a sugar baby vs. Hookers:

The sugar baby girls (ones who aren't really just escorts from STG) are clean, usually drug free and not banging 5 guys a day. Many are college girls but also some are single moms in tough situations financially looking for extra help. They do not consider themselves prostitutes (although they really are. Just more selective ones).

You are usually exclusive with your sugar baby and there's no clock watching, timed appointment expectations and a lot less flakiness. Since you're not just one among many Johns she's seeing, she usually keeps your dates.

You are usually not driving to the hood to meet her and she will be looking a lot hotter and smell good compared to hookers. One I saw lived in a nicer neighborhood than I live in, although she rented a room so didn't own the house. Most are pretty intelligent women and most are more courteous and understanding than hookers because they are not trying to collect a fee and rush you out the door to go buy drugs or see the next John.

Bare back sex is more likely and more importantly, probably less risky! WAY less volume than hookers.

They all seem to accept that men will be older than they are. There's limits to this but after a short time on the site they realize that 21 year old men do not have the financial means to be on the site and become open to guys 15-25 years older than they are.

Cons:

It's expensive and time-consuming compared to normal mongering. Do not enter this thinking you will start a chat today to meet for a $30 BBBJ tomorrow. It's a long process.

Her overall expectations are higher than a hooker's. This is especially true with beginner girls since the sites tell them they will meet millionaires who will pay their college tuition and buy them cars!

She will expect a certain level of commitment from you be it an amount per month or if paying per session she is looking for a certain number of meetings per month. This is because unlike a hooker she hopes you will be her total source of extra income as opposed to trying to lineup as many johns as possible to meet the income goal.

In many cases you will be expected to provide the meeting place-hotel room. Motel 6 may not cut it if she's smokin hot and used to better things in life.

What to expect:

There's always a collection of girls who will mssg. You with intent to sell you pictures or video. I found this hilarious considering pornhub etc. Exist with more porn than a man could ever want for free. You will see them mention an app "cash app". Do yourself a favor and do NOT get that app. I am short and to the point replying to them to get lost.

You'll get immediate friending and mssgs from girls from the Phillipines. Hope I don't have to tell you to not waste your time on them unless you have a trip planned there.

Next there's what was BP girls, now STG, EroticMonkey and CityX girls. Gap-tooth Nicky, Destiny and a few others have been found on these Sugar Baby sites. Their profiles make them sound like real sugar babies. If you don't recognize a pro you'll know you got one because she will cut quickly to a price for a date. Real sugar babies never do this immediate price for sex in a first chat. It will be a higher price than STG too. And by all means if you like her and the deal works for you make the date! But don't be fooled and realize you're back with a drug addict who's had a LOT of pipe laid in that trench. Pay accordingly.

The sites have a collection of attention seeking time wasters and a few scammers. When you see after a few days of chatting that getting to the initial meeting is always met with excuses or "I'm not sure I want to just yet" you have a time waster on your hands. Some are recently joined members who are not quite sure they are ready for the next step. Some are just on the site for the attention of men. Same as that super hot ballbuster at the bar who never has a guy but enjoys shooting down every guy who approaches her. Scammers jump right to asking for money for basically nothing. Use the block feature. NEVER send anyone money! Cash for ass. No exceptions.

The actual sugar baby.

Her ultimate goal is to get the "monthly allowance" with as little expectations from you as possible. You will read this in many profiles and or she will tell you this in chat. She will ask for way more than you'd possibly want to spend and she will try to get you to agree to as few meetings as possible in exchange for it. My advice here is don't do the monthly allowance. Trust me, few guys are agreeing to this in spite of the bullshit story she'll tell you about her "last sugar daddy". I have many chat logs and to read most of them you'd think all the previous sugar daddies were super rich and paying her $3,000 a month to see her 2 x. It's not true! There's also many, probably due to the lies the website tells them about the men they will meet here, that think there's tons of guys willing to pay $500 for her to accompany you to lavish events. Arm candy. I do not believe there's any guys in GR on the site paying for arm candy but anyway be aware of this expectation.

Establish you will pay per meeting. State "hotel room meeting" so she knows you mean sex, not a lunch / Dinner / event date. This leads me to another related point, some girls are expecting payment in a non-sexual arrangement! Some claim they've had prior sugar daddies who paid them for simply eating a dinner out with them etc. This is beyond bullshit and a lie. We men are all about the same. No guy is on these sites for a plutanic arrangement. That said, if her profile states this or she says this in chat just move on. The process of getting a sugar baby is long enough when the girl knows she has to put out. You will waste a ton more time trying to convince the naive girl that she should change her goals and expectations.

Getting started:

Make a profile. Put some meaningful things in it like what you seek and something interesting about you; hobbies, likes, whatever. Include photo (s). If you're trying to stay under the radar make them headless, but don't go with no pics. Many girls ignore guys with no pics. They care what you look like. They basically want a decent looking guy who will also pay up.

If you list yourself as married most girls will ignore you. Not all, but most. Obvious exception is the married women. There's not many of them. Sorry to tell you and no offense, but if you list your occupation as landscaper, truck driver or really anything blue-collar you have lowered your success rate a ton. These girls upon signing up on the site are sold on the fact they will meet successful, wealthy, generous men. While you could be earning a six figure income driving a truck her perception is based on TV and the ads for the website, not on your actual ability to pay her.

Note that new signups on most sites move you to the top of the search results so in the beginning you will receive more attention without doing anything to initiate it.

Your initial goal is to strike up a convo, trade cell #s (so if you quit the site or don't renew you still have contacts) and try to set a simple coffee or lunch meeting. Do NOT send her a pic of your cock or ask her for a titty pic! And to those of you morons who do this, the girls hate this and it kills your chances. Thereby making me look all the better! Be a gentleman. This is not BP! These girls view their side of this as more like friends with benefits than prostitution. You are courting her, not offering $40 for a BBBJ. The coffee meeting is to establish you two mesh. It's really more for her than for you because most of them care about compatibility. You should pretend you care about this too even if you don't. They view this as if seeking a boyfriend so, unlike a BP girl, the fact you'll spend money is not enough to achieve success. The sticky point here is to decide if you will pay her a fee just for this initial meeting. I refuse to. I admit I've lost quite a few initial meetings over this but I am not paying some girl $50-$100 (some expected more!) to simply have coffee or eat a lunch I am paying for.

At this initial meeting you are courting her like you do a potential girlfriend. Be charming. Pay for the meal. Ask her questions about her life and interests. What's her major in college. If she's interested in setting a date or arrangement SHE will bring this up, trust me. And it will cut right to the money part. "I usually get $500 per meeting" or "my last daddy paid me $3,000 a month allowance for 1-2 short meetings a month" is not uncommon to hear. 99% of the time I know its a complete lie but I now start negotiating. By the time you've met you should have already established you expect an arrangement involving "friends with benefits" or "intimacy". Avoid saying sex. Keep it classy. The girls call your date and your relationship a "meeting" or "arrangement" usually as well. No hooker lingo is used.

The super hot college girls are getting a lot of attention and have insane high expectations. Many also have links to gofundme or cashhapp on their profiles suggesting you just send them money for nothing. Many will not have sex with you at any price. All that said, I still take a crack at them and am in an arrangement that's run 10 months now with a 19 year old college girl. But I had a ton of attempts ending nowhere before her.

There's also a slew of mid 20's pros who will do one time dates but expect 350-500 and as soon as you offer less they have no interest. They are using the site like BP but are not listed on regular pro sites. If you can afford this per visit many are very, very hot girls.

The married women on the site I personally avoid. Too much risk of a jealous husband getting involved for me to risk it. If you're ok with that added danger they are as eager to fuck as they are to get paid.

There's a few who are into BDSM. My experience is they only want you if you are as well. They are also very selective and care about your looks and age.

By far the easiest success you will have will be with single mothers who live in rural areas not close to a big city. Most guys won't drive far to see them. For them I forgo the initial coffee meeting usually and chat for days / weeks instead leading to an encounter. Also women older than 30 are easier to get started with. They have far less success on the sites because they are competing with 20 year old hotties in college. Being single moms they always host saving me the motel bill as well. They are usually in tough situations and in my opinion actually need the money more than the college girls do. I've bought clothes for their kids a couple times even. With them sometimes drugs can be present but I've avoided those.

I drove 2.5 hours to see a young single mom once. Bar none the hottest girl I've ever been with in my entire life! Blond hair, blue eyes, beautiful face, killer ass, nice firm B cups. A goddess. Cost was 250 in her apartment. I can't make that drive or pay that rate often but wow, what a memory!

Some other pluses to sugar babies:

Most are low mileage and have not slept with 100 guys the past 6-months like the pros we usually see. She's usually drug and disease free and expects you to be too.

Within reason there's no timer to encounters. Its more like when you had a girlfriend and got together. Shortest stay is usually about 2 hours. Less is because "I" have to go, not that she said "time's up".

If you buy lingerie she will wear it for you.

I've paid as high as 250 for an intimate meeting and as low as 50. And the girl for 50 was 19, in college and not ugly. She does everything but anal, wears the lingerie I bought her, talks dirty in the bedroom and swallows every drop! The 250 is my personal limit. If you're willing to pay more it will greatly expand your success rate. 350 opens up a lot of possibilities, but is just too much for me to pay personally.

If you're willing to pay 350-500 a session you will have many, many hot choices on the sites but remember to court her! Dress nice, smell nice, be respectful like you would be to a potential girlfriend.

Other tips:

Do not give personal info. Or Facebook pages out. If you're not single this hobby has extra danger compared to classic escorts as they communicate like you're a boyfriend and have no boundaries. Not a single girl I've seen knows even my first name, much less where I live and work other than Grand Rapids area. But most ask a lot of personal questions so be prepared.

Use a hobby phone! Again, these are not pros! They will initiate a call or text and think nothing of it. You are not a john to them. You are a friend with benefits.

It's a LONG process to get an arrangement. Be patient. You will send chat requests / initial chats to 100 girls to get 15-20 replies. Of the 15 replies 8 will chat again with you later. Of the 8, 3-5 MIGHT agree to meet you for coffee. 1-2 of those will no show / no call for that meeting. If you will pay her for meeting you your odds may be better than what I listed but I refuse to pay her to meet me for coffee.

If you drive an old car or look shabby, unshaven, smell bad or wear clothes you'd wear to do yard work you will have little success in this. These girls seek a man of means. You have to at least appear like you have money.

If you're unattractive, very overweight or very old you have an uphill battle. Unlike hookers, many girls on these sites want a guy they would have as a boyfriend but a little older and he pays them. And the hotter ones are VERY selective.

Read the girl's profile and reference in chat something in it you have in common or agree with. Otherwise you just seem like a hound dog who looked at her pics and nothing else.

If you're not rich, say so! I put right in my profile that I'm not wealthy but make a good living and am financially secure. This for me is to avoid wasting time with the mercenary gold diggers. And these sites are prime places for gold diggers.

Do not prepay for anything! Period! No PayPal, no Cash app no GoFundMe. The payment part should be the same as you follow for escorts. Service = payment.

Most girls expect you to be exclusive with them. If you are not going to be I suggest you lie about that. I lost many, many chances prior to a first meeting by being honest about it.

If the site search has distance ranges expand it to cover as far as you would drive. As said above, girls in rural areas are easier to hookup with. Also, MSU in Lansing has a large amount of sugar babies listed. If you'l drive to Lansing and can afford the high price they want its like heaven on earth.

If you can, get things in place where she contacts you to suggest getting together after your first intimate meeting. I was in most cases able to keep myself from being the one to suggest our next meeting. Partially because I pay per meeting so she has an incentive to want to see me again, and partially because I'm patient. Why you may ask? Because it keeps the balance of power with you. If you are always bugging her to hookup she knows you will probably be ok paying more. This overall concept came in to play when one of my sugar babies asked to setup a meeting and then suggested I pay more. I told her sorry money's a little tight right now. Take the agreed rate or leave it. She took it. If I had instead been the one trying for the meeting the dynamic would be different.

On the other hand if you have a well established arrangement going giving her a small gift or helping out with Christmas for her kids or whatever can go a long way to cementing things with her. Plus if its presents or clothes for her kids you are being a decent person at least. MUCH different than paying extra to an escort who will simply buy more drugs.

If you're gunning for bareback sex its a maybe, so bring condoms! She's not a pro and will not have any. When things begin take a shot at not mentioning condoms and see if she lets you continue. IF she stops you for protection say "Oh yea sorry, there in my jacket" or whatever. So far every sugar baby I had did BBBJ. Only half allowed BBfull service. Only a few allowed CIM. Do NOT ask about this in advance unless CIM is a deal breaker for you. Asking them this will get you labeled a gross perv. And kill your chances of a meeting.

JaneMan1
10-05-18, 00:04
Sugar Baby Guide based on my experience with it...

...Asking them this will get you labeled a gross perv. And kill your chances of a meeting.Thanks for the fantastic guide. I am considering this option and you have laid down some great pointers. What are the expectations from these ladies regarding long term arrangements?

FarFarAway
10-05-18, 01:44
Thanks for the fantastic guide. I am considering this option and you have laid down some great pointers. What are the expectations from these ladies regarding long term arrangements?You would be well served by reading the Richmond VA SB thread and archive thereof. It is a true national treasure.

I have sugared in Grand Rapids once, I met an eastern girl, a little pudgy but very pretty. Took her to a nice dinner downtown, across the street to my hotel for FC, damage $250. I have some reason to be back there again, but haven't been observing the local girls in a long time.

Monger01
10-05-18, 15:15
What do you mean exactly? The whole deal boils down to payment per session.

My current SB is more lenient after so many months now allowing me to pay less occasionally. Early on not so much.


Thanks for the fantastic guide. I am considering this option and you have laid down some great pointers. What are the expectations from these ladies regarding long term arrangements?

FCooper
10-06-18, 10:40
Sugar Baby Guide based on my experience with it.

If you list yourself as married most girls will ignore you. Not all, but most. Obvious exception is the married women. There's not many of them.
Thanks for this very thorough post. I think it's perfect for people looking to get started with SBs or it might tell some what they are doing wrong. It lines up with my experience for the most part. However, I do indicate that I am married and have not found it to be too much of an issue. Yes, there are some that ignore me, or they even list in their profile that they don't want to be contacted by married men, but there are plenty that don't care. I've even had several tell me that they prefer married men. Usually the stated reason is that they are less likely to be clingy. I used to think my age and marital status improved the chances for bareback (based on a few comments from women), but my actual experience doesn't support that. For me it's been about 33% (out of 30+) so that seems consistent with your experience. Others have reported 50%.

Monger01
10-06-18, 11:00
Yea I read those posts before I started.


You would be well served by reading the Richmond VA SB thread and archive thereof. It is a true national treasure.

I have sugared in Grand Rapids once, I met an eastern girl, a little pudgy but very pretty. Took her to a nice dinner downtown, across the street to my hotel for FC, damage $250. I have some reason to be back there again, but haven't been observing the local girls in a long time.

Monger01
10-06-18, 11:02
Thanks for the input. I'm not an expert. Just sharing my experience with it.


Thanks for this very thorough post. I think it's perfect for people looking to get started with SBs or it might tell some what they are doing wrong. It lines up with my experience for the most part. However, I do indicate that I am married and have not found it to be too much of an issue. Yes, there are some that ignore me, or they even list in their profile that they don't want to be contacted by married men, but there are plenty that don't care. I've even had several tell me that they prefer married men. Usually the stated reason is that they are less likely to be clingy. I used to think my age and marital status improved the chances for bareback (based on a few comments from women), but my actual experience doesn't support that. For me it's been about 33% (out of 30+) so that seems consistent with your experience. Others have reported 50%.

Blackfire
10-08-18, 20:56
Thanks for the input. I'm not an expert. Just sharing my experience with it.Which site (s) are you using?

Monger01
10-09-18, 06:47
Seeking arangement.


Which site (s) are you using?

LoVecchio
10-13-18, 15:50
Seeking arangement.I've been on SA for about four years. I can't believe what it has done for my sex life. The comment about the process being time consuming is very true. It's easy to spend a lot of time on the site, and the girls who are worth getting usually require some time. Still, I've had short-term and long-term arrangements with girls from their late teens to early thirties (most in early twenties) who are girls I would have been very happy to date in my single days. I'm now in my mid-60's, and although it's true that lots of girls want someone younger, I have been very surprised how many are totally fine with someone my age. The last few years have been the "golden age" for my sex life.

Between my age and being married, I think there's a certain "safety" element for the girls, both in terms of physical safety and of potential concerns over the guy's getting "clingy," as mentioned before. I've tended to shy away from women over 35 (and usually over 30), because I'm concerned that older women might think that I was actually a candidate for an IRL relationship. It may also be that younger girls are fine with getting together with me because I can only meet discreetly (I. E. , either a hotel or their place). So, they don't have to worry about what it looks like to show up at a restaurant with a guy who is old enough to be their grandfather. On the other hand, some girls want fine dining, nightlife, and travel, and they are thus outside my pool of potentials.

As for bareback, I've mostly avoided that, although I've done it with a few, including one I saw for almost two years. I would never engage in bareback with one of the young mother types mentioned in the original post. I'd be less concerned about STDs than about pregnancy. Most of these young mothers are hurting for money because they typically get little child support from the father and tend to have not very lucrative jobs. It would be highly rational of them to get pregnant again by a man with deep enough pockets to support the whole family. One girl I met with several times seemed overly interested in the contents of a condom that I had thrown in the trash. Now, they all go down the toilet.

Used wisely, SA is a fabulous resource.

Monger01
10-16-18, 16:46
As if my post wasn't long enough already, I actually left out something I intended to include.

I read a few places back when I started that the girls greatly outnumber the guys particularly on SA. Couple that with the fact, according to the girls, many guys can't afford it or send them dick pics or are crude to them and you will realize you have the upperhand if you're courteous and serious about making connections. This is the opposite of the current situation on stg where I can count less real pros (not counting cc scams and fakes) than I count mongers active on usasg right here.

I used this to my advantage to get lower rates knowing the girls were not getting too many offers. They come on strong at first but many relented after time passed. Confirming for me that if they wanted paid they had to accept my lower offer.

I saw quite a few for under 200 a visit. Multihour mosg. I had a few including current sb that I pay 65 a visit FS bareback and swallows. We started off higher but when I said I was done as I couldn't keep paying she quickly agreed to lower. I've managed 50 a few times even.

DocMustard
10-24-18, 21:16
That was a great summary and advice regarding SB's. My experiences have been down South but by and large the same as what you described. I prefer using an SB site more than anything other way of meeting ladies.

I've also been fed those lines the ladies use about what their "last sugar daddy" used to do. Once had one tell me her last one used to give her $1000+ per meeting. I just blew it off, figured if that kind of $ was available to her she wouldn't be talking to me or anyone else. I ended up meeting with her several times for nowhere near that kind of money. I agree completely about the "x dollars per meeting" being the norm. I agree too that if a person acts like a gentleman he can gain some lasting relationships / friendships. I just spent the weekend with one of mine. Anyway thanks again for the post and other information you've given to this site.

Wolverines
10-27-18, 01:06
Thanks for the SB info. I am about ready to dip my toe in the water. This guide will help.

Monger01
11-02-18, 08:53
This is a good example of a scammer on SA. View his text pics.
Titled Sugarpants420 in the thread.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13727-Non-Pros-UTR-SBs&p=4008877&viewfull=1#post4008877.
He handled her well.

FarFarAway
11-03-18, 13:36
Thanks for the SB info. I am about ready to dip my toe in the water. This guide will help.Extensive information is available on the Richmond, VA sugar thread, and the archive of posts made on it over the years. It is the de facto national thread for SDs.

Wolverines
11-10-18, 16:06
This seems all too common these days on dating and hookup sites. Annoying and huge waste of time, although this guy did have some fun with it. I attached the pics from the thread you referenced.


This is a good example of a scammer on SA. View his text pics.
Titled Sugarpants420 in the thread.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13727-Non-Pros-UTR-SBs&p=4008877&viewfull=1#post4008877.

He handled her well.

SteveStone123
11-10-18, 19:08
This seems all too common these days on dating and hookup sites. Annoying and huge waste of time, although this guy did have some fun with it. I attached the pics from the thread you referenced.Never send cash in advance to any one from these sites. They are all most probably scammers.

EngrGuy
11-22-18, 10:09
I have looked into this type of arrangement but was not very successful. I think a lot of shoppers out there but didn't find a lady who really wanted to be a UTR FWB. I was using SA.

StevesMilin
12-01-18, 08:17
I have looked into this type of arrangement but was not very successful. I think a lot of shoppers out there but didn't find a lady who really wanted to be a UTR FWB. I was using SA.I've had four excellent arrangements in five years from SA. Currently checking out two from SB. Very nice. $100-150 per visit generally. Definitely UTRs.

Libertas
12-26-18, 16:47
Profile - https://www.seeking.com/member/f3ee66b3-a5bb-42c5-a819-cacfbce33652.

TTW usually aren't a big deal for me as I'm usually talking with multiple people anyways on the site, but we talked for about a week, set a time to meet up and decided to cancel when I did the usual 24 hour check up to see we're still on. After she canceled she wanted to talk about money and allowances. She wanted 600 per meet. I declined.

Mike Yepthatsm
12-26-18, 18:26
She's not even that good looking.


Profile - https://www.seeking.com/member/f3ee66b3-a5bb-42c5-a819-cacfbce33652.

TTW usually aren't a big deal for me as I'm usually talking with multiple people anyways on the site, but we talked for about a week, set a time to meet up and decided to cancel when I did the usual 24 hour check up to see we're still on. After she canceled she wanted to talk about money and allowances. She wanted 600 per meet. I declined.

Libertas
12-26-18, 21:59
She's not even that good looking.Was there any thing you wanted to contribute or just add comments that don't do anything?

Monger01
12-31-18, 12:56
I'd venture a guess his point was she's not near hot enough to expect $600 a meeting. To that point many of the girls have unrealistic expectations. I always counteroffer with a reality rate. Usually they act like its a horrible lowball. But I know full well noone in GR is paying 300+ per meeting unless she's a perfect 10. After enough guys balk at her ask she may come down, maybe not. Just keep contacting more girls. You'll eventually land some who realize 200 or whatever is better than nothing.


Was there any thing you wanted to contribute or just add comments that don't do anything?

TallYankee
03-16-19, 22:47
Met up with the username of Brit21 in Kzoo, not even close to the pictures posted online. Attractive brunette online, nappy dirty blonde haired dirty pothead met me. Almost laughable. I thought about offering her $50, but I just said no thanks and left. Shame on me for not getting a verification picture! Hopefully it saves anyone else from wasting time on her. Good luck fellow mongers. Guess it's back to my regular UTR.

Libertas
06-07-19, 00:08
Looking to jump into the a new SB. Anyone have any info they like to share about this one?

https://www.seeking.com/member/8e8cfe52-9cc0-4c63-8c0d-b9fcfc9a1ce4

GrassMan1984
06-08-19, 15:33
Looking to jump into the a new SB. Anyone have any info they like to share about this one?

https://www.seeking.com/member/8e8cfe52-9cc0-4c63-8c0d-b9fcfc9a1ce4I would not start with that one. She has not been logged in since March. Odds are you will not hear anything back.

I have had the most luck with new girls. Try and catch them before their inbox fills up and they get crazy ideas about their value.

As stated here before, treat it as a real date. They don't want to think they are hookers. Take them somewhere nice. Treat them like a real date. I give them a little cash or find out what their needs are and take care of whatever that is. I find that makes them feel better about the situation vs them asking for money. And you can set the expectations easier that way.

SA is more up front work, but the long play is rewarding. My current is a 26 year old in with a really good professional job. She was just sick of dating guys in their 20's and wanted something different. And she gets off on getting "paid" for it.

Good luck!!

Blackfire
06-09-19, 22:59
They don't want to think they are hookers. And some of the guys don't want to think they are Johns, so they see it as helping some poor lady pay the bills, take care of the kids, etc.

EngrGuy
06-11-19, 14:31
Anyone have any pointers for a new guy trying this type of reoccurring discreet friendship? I would prefer lady in the 30's and up but that doesn't seem as if there are many available. Also discreet is prefect but most say they want to "travel and fine dinning" Also any thoughts on which of the sites is better.

CornWell2015
06-12-19, 22:52
Anyone have any pointers for a new guy trying this type of reoccurring discreet friendship? I would prefer lady in the 30's and up but that doesn't seem as if there are many available. Also discreet is prefect but most say they want to "travel and fine dinning" Also any thoughts on which of the sites is better.Read the very first post in this thread. Monger01 wrote a detailed road map of pointers.

Mike Yepthatsm
06-13-19, 16:59
Go to the Richmond Virginia area of this site. There is a ton of helpful info on there about SA.


Anyone have any pointers for a new guy trying this type of reoccurring discreet friendship? I would prefer lady in the 30's and up but that doesn't seem as if there are many available. Also discreet is prefect but most say they want to "travel and fine dinning" Also any thoughts on which of the sites is better.

GrassMan1984
06-15-19, 14:27
Anyone have any pointers for a new guy trying this type of reoccurring discreet friendship? I would prefer lady in the 30's and up but that doesn't seem as if there are many available. Also discreet is prefect but most say they want to "travel and fine dinning" Also any thoughts on which of the sites is better.Finding girls in their 30's is not difficult. I like them because they know how to fuck. Not that the younger ones don't, but when they hit their 30's they tend to know what they are doing.

Like the others said, check out the 1st post here. Put the time in and watch for scammers.

Feel free to pm me if you have any specific questions.

Miltown
08-02-19, 19:44
I am sorry that I can't post the link from my phone but I am in your state this week. Does anyone have any experience with ZaraBxoxo? I have a date with her Tues and will report back but I was hoping for a little info. Please PM me if you want. Tx.

Mike Yepthatsm
08-03-19, 17:53
Porn star: https://www.pornhub.com/pornstar/zara-brooks.

Also an escort and can find her on several sites. Have not seen her personally but I know others on here have reviewed her in the past.


I am sorry that I can't post the link from my phone but I am in your state this week. Does anyone have any experience with ZaraBxoxo? I have a date with her Tues and will report back but I was hoping for a little info. Please PM me if you want. Tx.

Benz1
01-15-20, 11:37
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/seeking-arrangements-sugaring-sugar-daddy-online-dating-college-tuition

SmithJon
02-10-20, 15:21
Porn star: https://www.pornhub.com/pornstar/zara-brooks.

Also an escort and can find her on several sites. Have not seen her personally but I know others on here have reviewed her in the past.Here's Zara's current link - https://www.seeking.com/member/2a411b07-1811-44b1-b093-c60439f9a0ef.

SmithJon
02-18-20, 11:32
Here's Zara's current link - https://www.seeking.com/member/2a411b07-1811-44b1-b093-c60439f9a0ef.And here's Zara on whatsyourprice.com - https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/9eQwL3daOJL1x3B5VWNXKjk6.

YahaMan
02-25-20, 03:17
Hey Mongers. Can anyone kindly PM or post here any info on GFE, DATY and BB girls from any sugar site. Thank you in advance.

YahaMan
02-25-20, 22:27
She's looking for something real guys. Anyone interested.

https://www.seeking.com/member/35120c19-3732-495e-88c0-29148ae28d8a

Mike Yepthatsm
02-26-20, 22:28
I wouldn't be interested if she was paying me.


She's looking for something real guys. Anyone interested.

https://www.seeking.com/member/35120c19-3732-495e-88c0-29148ae28d8a

YahaMan
02-26-20, 22:33
That's shallow man.


I wouldn't be interested if she was paying me.

BasicJo
02-27-20, 12:17
How did this go?


I am sorry that I can't post the link from my phone but I am in your state this week. Does anyone have any experience with ZaraBxoxo? I have a date with her Tues and will report back but I was hoping for a little info. Please PM me if you want. Tx.

BasicJo
02-27-20, 12:20
Is it just me or the older gals are just piling on SA? Well before spring break that is. Now its that and the feet pic sellers.


She's looking for something real guys. Anyone interested.

https://www.seeking.com/member/35120c19-3732-495e-88c0-29148ae28d8a

Monger01
02-27-20, 18:31
Search Escorts and USA advertisers threads for zara. Plenty of reviews there on her.


I am sorry that I can't post the link from my phone but I am in your state this week. Does anyone have any experience with ZaraBxoxo? I have a date with her Tues and will report back but I was hoping for a little info. Please PM me if you want. Tx.

SmithJon
02-28-20, 11:22
Time wasters and fakes are all over sugar baby sites and it would be nice to have a list of real girls and idea of what they expect. Here's are a few I know are real but none of them are cheap. Please add to the list of PM me with questions or suggestions.

https://www.seeking.com/member/d3e2f2cf-b7ec-47f9-b382-5407992176bb

https://www.seeking.com/member/f62e8dab-fcc5-4286-8ff1-85cd0b050b70

https://www.seeking.com/member/dbd40b40-0f0b-4c7f-a0e6-46f1fa07dacc

https://www.seeking.com/member/159d6281-da9d-4b23-b021-af3d4bee65d8

https://www.seeking.com/member/c4be4898-f920-4054-a980-9ffd4ab02dae

https://www.seeking.com/member/252c1b00-fb9a-4f2c-ba56-d68b2b8866af

SmithJon
03-03-20, 11:16
Any intel on this one?

https://www.seeking.com/member/908d97c9-19ef-46d5-b68b-07a7e7fd0b41

Round
03-05-20, 17:47
Time wasters and fakes are all over sugar baby sites and it would be nice to have a list of real girls and idea of what they expect. Here's are a few I know are real but none of them are cheap. Please add to the list of PM me with questions or suggestions.

https://www.seeking.com/member/d3e2f2cf-b7ec-47f9-b382-5407992176bb

https://www.seeking.com/member/f62e8dab-fcc5-4286-8ff1-85cd0b050b70

https://www.seeking.com/member/dbd40b40-0f0b-4c7f-a0e6-46f1fa07dacc

https://www.seeking.com/member/159d6281-da9d-4b23-b021-af3d4bee65d8

https://www.seeking.com/member/c4be4898-f920-4054-a980-9ffd4ab02dae

https://www.seeking.com/member/252c1b00-fb9a-4f2c-ba56-d68b2b8866afhttps://www.seeking.com/member/2a411b07-1811-44b1-b093-c60439f9a0ef

https://www.seeking.com/member/2f560647-bac5-4d94-a7ec-71355e09bf5b

https://www.seeking.com/member/d19d7326-78e4-445a-a1e1-b2f883fa4413

https://www.seeking.com/member/ec679ca2-6eab-4230-991b-8238b2d37c40

BasicJo
03-08-20, 07:59
Thanks for this although I kind of thought there'd be a mix from other "sugar baby sites" because yet again, I've been banned from SA and I feel like whining.


Time wasters and fakes are all over sugar baby sites and it would be nice to have a list of real girls and idea of what they expect. Here's are a few I know are real but none of them are cheap. Please add to the list of PM me with questions or suggestions.

https://www.seeking.com/member/d3e2f2cf-b7ec-47f9-b382-5407992176bb

https://www.seeking.com/member/f62e8dab-fcc5-4286-8ff1-85cd0b050b70

https://www.seeking.com/member/dbd40b40-0f0b-4c7f-a0e6-46f1fa07dacc

https://www.seeking.com/member/159d6281-da9d-4b23-b021-af3d4bee65d8

https://www.seeking.com/member/c4be4898-f920-4054-a980-9ffd4ab02dae

https://www.seeking.com/member/252c1b00-fb9a-4f2c-ba56-d68b2b8866af

SmithJon
03-08-20, 14:13
Thanks for this although I kind of thought there'd be a mix from other "sugar baby sites" because yet again, I've been banned from SA and I feel like whining.Banned? SA's the best of the sites so get a new email address, create a new account and stop saying shit to the girls that will make them report you.

YahaMan
03-10-20, 06:00
Mind sharing what you said to these girls?


Thanks for this although I kind of thought there'd be a mix from other "sugar baby sites" because yet again, I've been banned from SA and I feel like whining.

BasicJo
03-10-20, 08:51
Got it! I'm back on anyway. Saw someone mention something about a sugarbook on the Charleston forum so I'm snooping.


Banned? SA's the best of the sites so get a new email address, create a new account and stop saying shit to the girls that will make them report you.Also, anyone speak to feme_bambi? I'd like to fuck an artist. She hasn't responded.

BasicJo
03-12-20, 13:03
I like you. How much to fuck? Do you squirt? Oh and I may have mistakenly mentioned PPM.

I'm a changed man now.


Mind sharing what you said to these girls?

SmithJon
03-30-20, 08:29
I'm a daytime guy only and have always struggled finding good clean places to take sugar baby's on dates because hotel check ins are usually so late. I though about Air B&B's but haven't tried them. I've used the Oasis. Anyone know of babys who host? Place recommendations?

Blackfire
08-18-20, 14:18
Anyone have anything new on the grand rapids scene for sugar babies. I haven't been on sa in a while, so if anyone can steer me in the direction of which grand rapids girls are real, or what the current arrangement expectations are it would be appreciated. Pm if you feel more comfortable that way, or post on here I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in the current state of affairs on sa.

PrivateParts
08-25-20, 12:21
Copying this UTR post here for reference. Topic comes up occasionally in General Reports / Escort Report threads.


Maybe the best way to discover a UTR is on a sugar baby site if you can weed out the pros and girls who think they can get college tuition paid for simply by going to dinner with you. If you find a girl there and she doesn't take down her profile after starting to see you she's not really UTR. It takes investment, time and money, and a little bit of luck to find a good one. Craigslist personals used to be a good place until it shut down, but you needed to be more careful to avoid scams. Now it's straight up Road Warrior. Consider Tinder, POF or even legit dating sites if you are ok with your profile being out there. Lastly if you are adventurous enough to reach out to never before seen ads on escort sites like STG you occasionally can land someone who is brand new who needs to make a quick buck and thinks she'll stop. It requires you to TOFTT and establish a relationship and become her regular. Again, it's a bit of luck, and a member who finds a girl where he can be her one and only client won't want to post reviews and share. Thats the unicorns we all chase.

With any of those it certainly helps if you are personable. If you weren't / aren't very good at flirting and picking up women you might have to throw more cash to make it work.

If you watch this site, you'll see senior members refer to providers who operate UTR by referral. They see multiple clients, so they aren't exclusive, but typically better than the random provider who advertises daily. If you want to be referred you'll need to be in good standing on this forum with good contributions with reviews.



...
If you are considering signing up use your common sense and monitor the profiles first. Ask yourself if there are a disproportionate number of extremely hot 20 something women posting in west mi? I found the answer to be yes. No different than the fakes on STG. They are there to pull you in and buy a membership. So focus on those that look like real women with legitimate profiles and try decide if there are enough options that it's worth your while. Just my 2 cents.


... I've been on the arrangement site for about six years and the secret benefits site three years. I am an exceedingly patient person and have had to read through literally dozens of bullshitters to find a few select really fine women. After signing up, you'll get inundated with solicitations which absolutely sound too good to be true. And they are indeed. And, like STG, someday you'll meet will be liars and cheaters and women posting very old pics.

But there are definitely benefits. I've been seeing one GR woman for almost a year now. 47, MILF, built for comfort not speed, but an insatiable sex drive. $100 a visit with no time limit. As often as I can make it to GR. And she is clean and not a volume fucker.

PrivateParts
08-25-20, 19:09
Thanks Mike.


I read the Richmond Virginia SB section years ago and found it to be extremely helpful. It's extremely active with tons of posts.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not

Another older, but good post under the MI General Reports section by TheBro:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13324-sugar-babes&p=3244622&viewfull=1#post3244622

Anonwmlatam
08-27-20, 14:48
So I bit the bullet and paid the $$ for the premium account and sifted through the noise. The other reports / guides here are right you get something like a 5-15% response rate. Then from there you have like a dozen convos, of which you get a handful of convos that continue offline and "feel" real. I've been asking to swap pics, and I ask them some varying life questions to filter out foreign scams, cammers, etc.

I'm happy to report I have 5 fish on my line right now. All have given me more personal pics, all have agreed to meeting in public to "see if we click" (I did have to charm them a bit and take it a little slow after starting off too fast.).

Ages, 19,22, 27,24, 38.2 sorority girls, 1 average little chubby blonde, 1 spinner, and 1 MILF. 3 local, 2 surrounding cities.

For reference, I'm not very tall (has always hurt me IRL) but I am decently attractive.

I rejected about 4 girls that were either a little to flabby for me, picky, or too far away.

I'll post my continuing saga here, even if I get scammed. Fingers crossed.

Gexem
09-03-20, 09:20
I've been on and off SA for several years now. Typically I'll pay for a month or three, find 2-3 girls that I like, then drop my subscription. Stick with those girls for a while, once they move on or I get bored, repeat the process.

Like others have said, it's a time-consuming process. I feel fortunate if I get responses from 5% of the girls that I message. Of those, maybe 1 in 5 continues the conversation long enough to talk about meeting up, and then maybe a quarter of those actually are willing to meet in person.

Cost is more than you'll generally pay from an escort posting, but the benefit is greater too. I usually go with 200 per meet, which generally means a couple of hours at a hotel or my place, almost always multiple shots. And of course the girls are usually younger and hotter than you see on escort postings. Some girls will balk at that and ask for more, which I rarely am willing to do. I can only think of once I went higher, which was only because she was a really hot college girl that I'd already met in person so I knew I wasn't getting scammed.

My latest run on SA hasn't been all that successful here in GR. It's been pretty slim pickings over the last couple of months for me, but as always YMMV. Maybe I'm too picky this time around, or just bad luck not happening to hit the right timing. Still, I'll keep looking for a few more weeks, you never know when a good one will pop up.

StevesMilin
09-03-20, 12:34
I've been on and off SA for several years now. Typically I'll pay for a month or three, find 2-3 girls that I like, then drop my subscription. Stick with those girls for a while, once they move on or I get bored, repeat the process.

Like others have said, it's a time-consuming process. I feel fortunate if I get responses from 5% of the girls that I message. Of those, maybe 1 in 5 continues the conversation long enough to talk about meeting up, and then maybe a quarter of those actually are willing to meet in person.

Cost is more than you'll generally pay from an escort posting, but the benefit is greater too. I usually go with 200 per meet, which generally means a couple of hours at a hotel or my place, almost always multiple shots. And of course the girls are usually younger and hotter than you see on escort postings. Some girls will balk at that and ask for more, which I rarely am willing to do. I can only think of once I went higher, which was only because she was a really hot college girl that I'd already met in person so I knew I wasn't getting scammed.

My latest run on SA hasn't been all that successful here in GR. It's been pretty slim pickings over the last couple of months for me, but as always YMMV. Maybe I'm too picky this time around, or just bad luck not happening to hit the right timing. Still, I'll keep looking for a few more weeks, you never know when a good one will pop up.Ditto for me. I'm about to re-up with SB for some credits because I've been contacted by a few mature ladies that look real. Many of the younger ones who look TGTBT absolutely are. More so on SB than SA. But I've found some real gems. My norm is $100. I tell them I increase over time but am not willing to commit to a larger upfront without experience with them.

TechTraveler77
09-03-20, 16:01
Ditto for me. I'm about to re-up with SB for some credits because I've been contacted by a few mature ladies that look real. Many of the younger ones who look TGTBT absolutely are. More so on SB than SA. But I've found some real gems. My norm is $100. I tell them I increase over time but am not willing to commit to a larger upfront without experience with them.I've dabbled as well on SA and have found a few gems. What us SB and credits? How does it compare in cost and Meet up probability to SA.

I have out there that us pretty cool and would be willing trade.

Anonwmlatam
09-11-20, 08:45
I'm updating here to my previous post, I had posted the update the other day, but I guess something time out and it never went through.

So my lineup has switched A LOT since my first post, some dropped off, others I dropped, I've seen some, banged. I'll provide details below.

Divorced MILF, 38: I had to drop this one because of the cig smoking, the heavy metal she insisted on blasting, and the lack of chemistry. But let me tell you, she was a FREAK. Loved bb, wanted multiple pops "getting filled up" as she called it. BJ was like a 5/10, and there wasn't much cushion for the pushin. She's probably the most insatiable woman I've ever been with. Literally wanted me inside her the whole time, and wanted me there for hours. It was unmanageable, guess she watched too much porn. But she wanted nothing else in exchange from me. Average looks.

Sorority girl, 19: Very hot, nice ass, but not as thick as I like 'them. She knew what she wanted and I obliged. No DATY for the first time, and she wanted to jackhammer but not in the hot and heavy kind of way, she just wanted me to cum fast. I got to pick her outfit, a nice crotch-less lingerie piece. We got to watch a movie after and had a bit of fun, but pretty vanilla. Probably won't repeat unless she gets freaky. Think Jcrew model looks.

Divorced MILF, 25: Hot body, all the curves in the right places. We met, talked, had chemistry and are planning something soon. She sends me pics almost daily and seems like she just wants sex, but maybe some gifts not sure. Think Sears model looks.

Barista / Goth Artist, 21: This one has the hottest body out of them all, small thin waist, big ass, sends pics and vids. Communication is spotty, but I think I'll take it slow and see what happens.

Sub, 28: This one was taller but also had curves in all the right places. Communication was good, and we were going to meet then radio silence. It happens but I was really looking forward to it. She wanted to chat on an app, I sent her my hobby number before deleting the app, so I'll wait and see.

Business Professional, 28: This one was almost too good to be true, but then I confirmed me have business mutual. Communication was good, then dropped off, and then yesterday she popped back up. Tall, model gorgeous, but has curves for days. Still might be TGTBT, but again I'll wait and see. Just soft pics exchanged and some vids, but nothing serious.

I'll update again since I have a handful more on the line which are very exciting but I don't want to speak too soon. The purpose of this isn't meant for me to brag, instead I just hope people can read this and get a sense of what a timeline feels like for SA. The ups and downs. It also helps me to think back and think about what has happened and to remember to slow down and know that there are always, ALWAYS more fish in the sea. Happy fishing!

StevesMilin
09-11-20, 10:27
I've dabbled as well on SA and have found a few gems. What us SB and credits? How does it compare in cost and Meet up probability to SA.

I have out there that us pretty cool and would be willing trade.SB has you buy a number of credits and you spend them 10# to open email with a SB. No time limit.

I think SB has more fakes than SA. But I've met ladies on both. With the SB site you get many solicitation emails, many do not respond to your response even if you do it immediately. I think these are fakes paid by SB. You'll also get a flurry of solicits just before you run out of credits, motivating you to spend more.

Reman3289
09-14-20, 15:58
I'm updating here to my previous post, I had posted the update the other day, but I guess something time out and it never went through.

So my lineup has switched A LOT since my first post, some dropped off, others I dropped, I've seen some, banged. I'll provide details below.

Divorced MILF, 38: I had to drop this one because of the cig smoking, the heavy metal she insisted on blasting, and the lack of chemistry. But let me tell you, she was a FREAK. Loved bb, wanted multiple pops "getting filled up" as she called it. BJ was like a 5/10, and there wasn't much cushion for the pushin. She's probably the most insatiable woman I've ever been with. Literally wanted me inside her the whole time, and wanted me there for hours. It was unmanageable, guess she watched too much porn. But she wanted nothing else in exchange from me. Average looks.

Sorority girl, 19: Very hot, nice ass, but not as thick as I like 'them. She knew what she wanted and I obliged. No DATY for the first time, and she wanted to jackhammer but not in the hot and heavy kind of way, she just wanted me to cum fast. I got to pick her outfit, a nice crotch-less lingerie piece. We got to watch a movie after and had a bit of fun, but pretty vanilla. Probably won't repeat unless she gets freaky. Think Jcrew model looks.

Divorced MILF, 25: Hot body, all the curves in the right places. We met, talked, had chemistry and are planning something soon. She sends me pics almost daily and seems like she just wants sex, but maybe some gifts not sure. Think Sears model looks.

Barista / Goth Artist, 21: This one has the hottest body out of them all, small thin waist, big ass, sends pics and vids. Communication is spotty, but I think I'll take it slow and see what happens.

Sub, 28: This one was taller but also had curves in all the right places. Communication was good, and we were going to meet then radio silence. It happens but I was really looking forward to it. She wanted to chat on an app, I sent her my hobby number before deleting the app, so I'll wait and see.

Business Professional, 28: This one was almost too good to be true, but then I confirmed me have business mutual. Communication was good, then dropped off, and then yesterday she popped back up. Tall, model gorgeous, but has curves for days. Still might be TGTBT, but again I'll wait and see. Just soft pics exchanged and some vids, but nothing serious.

I'll update again since I have a handful more on the line which are very exciting but I don't want to speak too soon. The purpose of this isn't meant for me to brag, instead I just hope people can read this and get a sense of what a timeline feels like for SA. The ups and downs. It also helps me to think back and think about what has happened and to remember to slow down and know that there are always, ALWAYS more fish in the sea. Happy fishing!Lets face it, there are many frustrations on SA. It can be a PITA to work through the SA ladies, and fakes, etc. And no it is not as good as it was 4-6 year ago. However, I think we can all agree as this poster states, there are more fish in the sea and more to come, so be patient. I believe Covid has clearly had a negative effect. Personally I am not looking for high volume. But a small rotation of quality SB's who are not scammers or pros. Semi pro is ok. LOL- that's pretty much what they all are. Right? I guess I have a little bit of the male ***** gene myself, so I don't criticize too much. The quality SB's do exist. But it's hard work to find them and not sure what the alternative is for an older gentlemen like myself. Unless you are looking for pros only and I have not seen a pro since I delved into the SB 4+ years ago. That just me. I find this a much more rewarding experience and I don't date these ladies or have them overnight. Just a couple hours of fun most of the time.

SmithJon
09-15-20, 14:44
Lets face it, there are many frustrations on SA. It can be a PITA to work through the SA ladies, and fakes, etc. And no it is not as good as it was 4-6 year ago. However, I think we can all agree as this poster states, there are more fish in the sea and more to come, so be patient. I believe Covid has clearly had a negative effect. Personally I am not looking for high volume. But a small rotation of quality SB's who are not scammers or pros. Semi pro is ok. LOL- that's pretty much what they all are. Right? I guess I have a little bit of the male ***** gene myself, so I don't criticize too much. The quality SB's do exist. But it's hard work to find them and not sure what the alternative is for an older gentlemen like myself. Unless you are looking for pros only and I have not seen a pro since I delved into the SB 4+ years ago. That just me. I find this a much more rewarding experience and I don't date these ladies or have them overnight. Just a couple hours of fun most of the time.I like the hunt as much as anything. I started in Detroit strip clubs but got bored with how easy it was and moved to clubs in Jackson, Lansing and Kalamazoo. I dropped strip clubs when I discovered SB's a few years and enjoy the wide variety of girls available, especially on SA. I've recently been on Tinder and like introducing girls to the idea of older men and mutually beneficial friendships. Always happy to swap info if anyone's interested.

Bth9318
09-16-20, 03:12
I bit the bullet and joined. Its pretty much been a waste of time. I'm 6 ft 235 have a nice head of brown hair so it's not like I look 72 or anything. So I made contact with one wants 500. No got here down to 250. But I was on this site a few years ago made an arrangement and meet jer and her ads was 3 ft wide. So I ask for a verification pic. Sends a tit up pic. I. ask for a full body doesn't have to be nude radio silence and she is not on anymore. On to the next one (keep reading saved the best for last) babyplum97 this ine talks shit but won't walk the walk wants to sell you pics. Talking to another starts the dirty talk sends pics ads is three feet wide at least she didn't try to hide it. Beware of face and tity and up shots probably hiding a big ass. Alot of saying hello get a hello back then nothing. Had one in Georgia texting me. Google searched her pics fake. I do have one that shows promise. Now on to the worst. I will attach a pic. User name clemsonisthebest. Ad says 18. Text me. Ask for phone number. Give her burner number. Some small talk and then sends me a unsolicited titty pic. I say nice. Then a unsolicited shaved kitty pic. Ask me for dick pick nope I pass. So. I ask for verification pic make sure I'm talking to a girl. I ask for oic with her holding up 3 fingers. Sends it between her bare tits. We arrange a public meet. I go early and have every intent of seeing I. D. She no shows. And radio silence. Then the next day she starts calling I don't answer. Start texting I need to talk to you ASAP. I text back why are you calling now instead of texting. Keep calling. So I finally answer there's some guy on the end of the phone with a Southern accent ranting and raving about how I was talking to his 16 year old daughter. I tell him I didn't know she was 16. He's like well she was and you got naked pictures and you were talking s* I said no I did not ask for those pictures and I was not talking anything sexual with her. He says that doesn't matter you're in big trouble she crashed her mother's car on her way to see you that she didn't have permission to take. I said I hope she's all right. He said something about a broken shoulder blade or something I don't remember. And then it goes back in and do while you're in big trouble she's only 16 years old. I said well her add-on the sites that she's 18 I don't care what the hell that says I talked to the law you're in big trouble. Okay. He says well unless you can persuade me not to pursue this any further the police are going to be getting a hold of you when I turn this phone in and you're going to go to jail and you're going to lose everything. On what kind of persuasion would that be well you need to pay me $2,500 for the car so I said yeah right. So I already know what to scam I never sent her nude pictures of myself I never talk sex with her in fact I talked about going jet skiing so I wasn't worried. So the next day he text me again tell me to call. So I finally text him back and I said I seen a lawyer today any further communication do you want will have to be through text so I have a record of your extortion and you can give the officer my phone number and I will forward that on to my lawyer and they can talk. I have not heard back since. So the moral of the story is guys be careful who you're talking to be careful what you say what you send because consent in Michigan is 16 but if you read theirs cases where people have gone to jail you're not even having sex with a 16 year old and it doesn't matter if they tell you they're a different age. I have attached a picture of her from the site because his darling daughter is still active and on it everyday and I screenshot that just in case I have an issue. Anyone wants to share a sure thing I would appreciate it. Till then I'll keep. Looking.

Gexem
09-17-20, 15:56
I've recently been on TinderI've tried that but gotten absolutely nowhere. Did you do a "gold membership" or whatever they're calling the paid version?

SmithJon
09-17-20, 16:02
I've tried that but gotten absolutely nowhere. Did you do a "gold membership" or whatever they're calling the paid version?I did Tinder+ which is prettty cheap and let's me set different locations and go back if I go past someone. It also gives me 5 super like a day, which is important go get the hot one's attention. Tinder suspended a couple different profiles before I figured out the language you can use on your profile; don't mention sugar daddy or mutually beneficial.

Anonwmlatam
09-21-20, 17:06
As always the lineup has shifted a lot so I'll use the same format to be brief and to the point.

22, artist spinner. Ok so this one took some time chatting and getting to know, as well as going to get drinks, but she has jumped to the top as my ATF UTR. Super tight body, she does some entry level modeling on the side, and nice plump ass. I have a nice connection with her and got to know a lot about her, and I genuinely like her as a person. It pays to listen and be nice gents because DAMN! We went back to her place and "watched movies" she couldn't wait to jump in bed. Nice BBBJ, then I DATY to what I believe must be the first time she's been eaten out bc wow she was into it and came twice. Might be the young guys she's been with don't take the time. Anyway after a while of DATY, she's begging for me to fuck her. So mish, and she's wild and is all over me. She loves to ride so I oblige and she really starts pounding away. Like shaking the bed and rattling the windows pounding. I'm into and and blow soon, then we lay back and talk and she starts falling asleep, so I tap her after a bit to see if she's asleep but I wake her and she wants a round two, so more pounding but she wants it doggy. So more moaning and pounding and I think this one for sure is putting her to sleep. NOPE! We are laying and I'm spooning her and after a few minutes when I'm sure she's asleep she reaches back and pulls it out again and starts tugging and wants to go for round 3. I told her to hold on so I can grab a condom. She wants it and jams it in. Started pumping and told her I should really put a rubber on. So she tells me to just come on her ass. So its safe to say she's my ATF UTR, never asked for money, just wanted someone nice to listen to her, be nice to her, and of course I picked up the bill. I gave her a modest gift and she was super grateful.

25, MILF. I forget the ages on them sometimes because I delete the SA inbox messages and jump straight to text, but I've talked about her before. She's nice and think but a little soft around the edges. She wants me bad, but I put her on ice because of the artist spinner. And when I think about it I think I'm going to drop her because Debra Hollander is perfectly thick for me and is a lot more simple to schedule. This MILF I'd have to set up a hotel because she's driving in.

22, barista goth artist. So my patience paid off with this one and I finally got her to bite again, and we met up and had a blast just talking and getting to know each other. So another spinner with a juicy ass. We haven't done the deed yet, but we're planning on meeting soon again. Again she seemed to respond quicker and for longer when I started to connect with her outside of just hooking up. I think I'm onto something gents!

19, sorority girl. The hook is set deep into this one. She hits me up several times weekly wanting to meet up again. I'm going to keep her on the line until she lets herself off or until she lowers ask and gets kinkier. The ass is nice, but not that nice, and I love eating clam so with that off the table I'll just wait.

28, local professional. This one took me for a surprise when she finally responded and engaged. She's sears catalog model type material, but has real nice curves. What can I say, the Dutch have nice genes! Anyway she dropped her other offers to me and when she told me she was getting 5 K a month offers, I politely congratulated her and said my door was always open. She agreed, and said there was no harm in meeting up for lunch and see what happens. So I'll be patient here too.

21, thick model. This one was upfront about her ask and I led her on a bit and then said I had to cancel. Since then she's been hitting me up regularly to meet. I'll let this one sit on the line until she comes to her senses.

Honorable Mentions:

20, Girl next door. Upfront about asks, and her dos and donts. Convo was good until she stopped replying. Will wait.

23, Cheerleader. This one has been on and off, but it looks like we're connecting decently. So I'm long term investing here hoping it pays off. The hint is when they are genuine about their life and what they've been through and what's going on in their life. The truth sounds like something between a sob story and a boring day. That's how I know I'm onto something real.

25, Barista grad student. This one really threw me off. She was hard to get at first then we started talking and got down to brass tax, so I'm my cautious self and say I like to take my time and be sensual and soft (which is true, but its not the only thing I like) Well she hits me with the "well, that's a problem since I like getting absolutely destroyed" So I'm like oh yeah? And we go into details and set up an intro Saturday dinner. The morning of I confirm and she says " I have a feeling this is all just about sex, I'm not interested anymore". So I say, it doesn't have to be just about that, but if she wants me to stop texting her I will. She says yes please stop. So I do, because. THERES MORE FISH IN THE SEA!

Ok well this is likely the last post since I think I have the rotation I want to keep. Happy fishing gents!

PrivateParts
09-27-20, 10:51
I spent a couple weeks on both Seeking Arrangement (SA) as well as Secret Benefits (SB) simply to evaluate them from a user experience. Anonwmlatam has had great success with SA recently but I wanted to try to compare between the two as best I could. Things to note: 1) I did this without actually paying the membership. 2) I used only the mobile website interface and not an App. In my experience SA is the better option of the two if you had to choose, but not without it flaws. Below is a detailed comparison how I reached this conclusion with some opinionated advice thrown in so you can make your own choice:

Account - both SA and SB need only an email to sign up so it should be easy to create a new profile if you get booted for violating terms of service.

Profile - Both give you ability to write a profile but SB limits the character count while SA you can write a book. SA wins this comparison hands down even though most guys fail to take advantage of it. Why does this matter? Because your written profile is how you get a women interested and differentiate you from the others. You can infuse charm, intrigue, humor, rewards, etc into your profile as to why you'll be a good Daddy to get them interested (or it's there for them to read when you message). You write a good profile about YOU once, then per baby you write a tailored introduction message to HER. Unless you have model good looks I think a well written profile is your greatest asset. SA is better for that without question.

Email notifications - both allowed you to set which activity generated an email to you. The SA email notifications were more timely and accurate (see User Activity).

User Activity - both feature insight if your profile has been viewed, favorited, messaged, etc, however SA gives better insight. SB's user activity can't be trusted. For example, EVERY baby who viewed me on SB also messaged me within the SAME minute and NEVER viewed me again. ? It's simply not plausible and therefore untrustworthy. On SA I could see which baby viewed my profile multiple times over the course of the week. That information is vital in determining which women is worth the time to craft your best "hey baby" message intro message.

Private Photos - both sites have this which is good for the married members to keep their face off the website. However nearly all babies had public face pics so the "hidden" ones are just more of the same. SA wins because it's free to request private photos which is useful as another wink-wink tool in addition to the heart icon. Compare that to SB which charges you to view them (see Cost comparison). In my opinion the baby's secret album in SB is a money scam for the simple minded.

Verification - Both claim to have ways to verify a baby (or you) is real. The SA photo verification is a joke because you can fool it without using your own pic (I used a pic that looked nothing like me). SA also allows verification by social media, but you can't view the baby's verification for yourself. SB however uses a video verification method so you can watch it yourself and SEE the woman without her instagram glam filter. That is the best feature SB has going for it.

Searching - SA search is much better hands down.

Real Woman usage - I saw a number of the same women on both sites including pros, but they appeared to be more active (or recently active) on SA than on SB. I gravitated to using SA more often than SB so I think women will too.

Fakes - both have fakes profiles, sometimes hilariously obvious. Some babies on SA actually have put a copyright notice on their profile to prevent the site from using their likeness elsewhere. I suspect profiles are re-used across the country / world to make it appear like there are more women out there. I found evidence in profile text and pictures they aren't from GR. I've also read on multiple forums that SB will send auto generated messages to Daddies (from real women's profiles) in an attempt to get the guy to start conversations. I believe that to be true. I say its a tie, where SA may have more volume of fakes but SB tries to fool you into spending valuable credits to just get ghosted (see Cost below).

Noise - Both SA and SB I got messages and favorites from women you wouldn't expect (some BEFORE I completed my profile). You can call it fakes, scammers, or women shotgunning messages to all men hoping for an online daddy. SA was by far a lot worse as I had to filter out a lot (see local women comparison). The noise on SB died down for me after only a few days of creating my account, so SB wins.

Local Women - The first week on both sites I was viewed and favorited by mainly local women. But after week 1 on SA (without paying a membership) I started started getting favorited or messaged by women from all over the world?? Nothing in my profile asked for that. I found this to be annoying and I attribute it to the site running out of fake local profiles to temp me into subscribing to read the messages. SB on the other hand just diminished the frequency after week 2. Winner here is SB for not giving me daily messages from Mexico & Ecuador as SA did.

Free Interaction - This is key for those who want to test the site before paying the membership fee. I found SA to be much better in interacting without messaging. SA you can request private pictures, see if the baby actually read your request or not, and give your private pictures as well as see if she viewed them (see Activity comparison). Caution: if you aren't going to buy the membership you risk annoying without messaging and could be blocked. The point here is I found more action on SA than I did on SB.

Messaging - ultimately you'll need to pay to read / send messages (see cost). The thing to note is SA also has a video chat function built into their interface. I'm not sure if SB does. Video chat is a must before setting up an in person date from both her perspective and yours. If one of you is crazy, the other can use the block feature. SA wins because it has this video calling built in whereas on SB you'd need to convince the baby to contact you outside of the safety of their site.

Cost - SA wins if you intend to find a baby soon, SB wins if you have time and are surgical in your pursuit. Do the math: $90 on SA gets unlimited messaging for 30 days. So that's 1 month to get as many phone numbers, emails, social media names etc as you can. SB on the other hand uses credits - 10 credits to start a conversation, 10 credits to view an album (waste of money). The SB $59 intro package is 100 credits, which is 10 women you can message assuming you don't waste money on photos. If you get a 10% response rate that's 1 woman who might respond. The next tiier is $169 for 500 credits. So that's 50 women you can message without a time constraint, and so on. On SB you need to be selective, and patient, considering the well documented bot message technique they use. Ashley Madison was found guilty of doing it where they claimed it was to "enhance the user experience" to get messages, but since SB essentially charges you to read these fake messages it equates to fraud in my book. I think SA is a better cost option.

PrivateParts Cheat - without buying memberships, I created similar profiles on both sites with hidden messages to contact women via outside means. This is prohibited and both do a decent job shutting it down so you need to be clever. Nevertheless I did, and was able to successfully get 7 women I was eyeing on SA to contact me directly. Again I did this without paying a membership, within just a few days. Compare that to SB where I got 0 bites using the same technique for over 3 weeks of trying. It's not the most efficient way of picking up women but it's the second time I've done this and proves to me that SA has more active women who are serious. The best part is I hooked up with a young, open relationship spinner as her new NSA / FWB, not as a Daddy (and I still had 2 other viable candidates on the hook). SA wins the test as having more fertile grounds while I win with new free hookups!

My conclusion is that Seeking Arrangement is the better site if you want to dabble. I wouldn't waste money on SB based on my evaluation.

Charlie441
09-28-20, 21:53
I bit the bullet and joined. Its pretty much been a waste of time. I'm 6 ft 235 have a nice head of brown hair so it's not like I look 72 or anything.From my experiences on SA, girls vary. A lot. A majority, albeit not a super-duper majority, are straight-up amateur or semi-amateur escorts, with a few true pros sprinkled in there. But even among them, their expectations, attitude, and POV vary a decent amount. The prices can be ridiculously high on here, notably with real college hotties, although you can find some Great looking girls who are semi-amateur and it's potentially worth taking a stab at it. Many of them will be open to the next "version".

Then a chunk of them are wanting an actual Sugar Daddy / Baby arrangement -- as if you're "dating" on-the-side. Like $x per month to help with their bills, while meeting up 2, maybe 3 times each month -- and doing this for a handful of months, at least. The odd thing is after a little normal / expected online chit-chat, as found on actual dating sites, prior to meeting -- most are wanting to know if you're wanting to set up such an "arrangement" right before you even meet. That's as odd as trying to agree with a really cute girl on any "normal" dating site, whether she's up for being an item, prior to your first date. Most end up understanding that you'll feel that out on your first meetup -- and after you get to know each other in person, first. Most that is, who like you as a potential match for such an endeavor. A good % of these gals are OK with it just being a one-time fling, almost always with some monetary benefit (and many times quite high, as the straight-up amateur escorts are on there). But again, many of these gals aren't doing this as a "business", but instead a side-piece gig for their purse (or rent) -- so for many, it's a lot like, say, a Hooters gal who has such an idea, and with regulars she gets to know, is potentially willing to have such an arrangement. Obviously it's not going to be like a straight-up escort. It's sort of like just-for-fun sorta-part-time-dating-on-the-side, for $ benefit. Some of these gals will be willing to more or less Actually date you if they're not out of your league in looks + see you as a financially supportive guy. Which is basically like the next "version".

Then a small % of them are more treating it like Ashley Madison or Adult Friend Finder or something -- where they want to have an affair / FWB type of thing on-the-side, but with a guy who makes a lot of money. A few within this % are looking for an actual real BF / GF relationship only. So in this small batch, there isn't necessarily $ to be worried about.

And there is a good % of gals looking to just make a quick buck and are fake / shady and are highly likely not to execute on pulling the physical trigger. These can be kind of easy to spot after a couple message exchanges, if not read within their profile sending out clear clear signs.

All in all, it takes work as a real / normal personals site would to get a date, with more to look out for to dodge -- but easier to start "dating" if nothing about either of you is different than expected.

Bth9318
09-30-20, 02:34
Well coming up on a month since I've joined this thing. I would say I don't know 99% of the girls I've talked to you are either fake or they want to sell you pictures. I do have a nineteen-year-old I'm talking to and I've been talking to for almost a week she hasn't asked for money or try to sell me anything can actually describe the local area so I believe she's real. Not sure what she looks like because it's not a very good picture on the site and she won't send me any so who knows. I do know the first thing I'll be asking for is to see her I'd to make sure she's of age. I think I have her talking because call me most guys are talking sex and money within the first three minutes. I told her if you're looking to get paid just to talk that's a rough way to make a living. She said that is not what she's looking for but she would at least like to get to know somebody pretty well before going to bed with them so I'll keep you updated. We're supposed to meet up for dinner Saturday and already set straight that I'm not paying to meet her for dinner just for the dinner and she's good with that so possibly one. And then I have a date set up with a 23 year old who basically went right to how much was I willing to pay. She's in Grand Haven I know the talent in Muskegon as far as the pros go and I don't recognise her as one but I haven't got a verification pic yet either so who knows. We did discuss an overnighter 12 hours for 300 bucks with multiple shots on goal so we'll see how that pans out we're going to meet for dinner first before we move on to anything else. But I did in the last week see a couple Old Pros that I did recognise. Megan from Muskegon I think she tried to Blackmail somebody once she's going under the name autumn flower. Talk to her for a little bit she wanted $400 for 2 hours which is insane she's good-looking but I was doing her two years ago for a hundred and fifty. The other one was Sophia I think she also goes by something blue has a big tattoo a rose honor chest she was operating out of Muskegon about a year ago and then out of Grand Rapids a few years before that with lousy reviews I contacted her she has not contacted me back I would avoid both of them unless you can get Megan to come down but like I said she tried to Blackmail somebody so. That's my update.

Bth9318
10-03-20, 22:37
Well I finally hooked up with a 19 yr old lives 5 min. From me. Found another who I'm sure is a pro but never meet before. So I just start to get a little traction and they boot me for solicitation. What the fuck. I asked for clarification. I have been very careful about that. So the jokes on them 4 days til reup. I'm surprised they didn't wait. I'll keep updating.

Gexem
10-04-20, 17:01
Well I finally hooked up with a 19 yr old lives 5 min. From me. Found another who I'm sure is a pro but never meet before. So I just start to get a little traction and they boot me for solicitation. What the fuck. I asked for clarification. I have been very careful about that. So the jokes on them 4 days til reup. I'm surprised they didn't wait. I'll keep updating.I'm pretty sure the solicitation thing only comes up if a girl reports you. I do my best to always use "allowance" and "playtime" and similar phrases when on SA itself, and if a girl wants to be more explicit I tell her to text me. That way even if a girl complains you have the fig leaf of those phrases to fall back on. The SA people are generally going to be pretty lenient, they get their money from us and don't want to kick off paying members.

PrivateParts
10-04-20, 19:58
I came across some anecdotal stories while reading up on the sugar baby sites that makes me very cautious. A few points to consider.

First, I do believe the sites scan messages for key words that will flag suspect messages for further review. I've read woman complaints of getting booted from the site simply for messaging guys their basic monetary expectations. So it goes both ways. I believe that's how the site can stay in business even though majority of users are soliciting an arrangement. Gexem has good advice for using indirect terms, but the other recommendation is to get a text or external email ASAP to talk more freely.

Second, I'm very suspicious of any site that encourages men to create a public profile indicating their wealth, marital status and / or need for discretion. It's ripe for scammers / blackmail. So if you contact a baby and she won't send a confirmation pic I would think you're immediately getting played. Remember: ANYONE can sign up as a female for free with no verification, so be careful.

The combination of the above and experience with Craigslist makes me think you might have guys using fake baby profiles in an attempt to get rid of the competition. They bait men who's profile they feel is a threat and report them for solicitation to get them off the site. Craigslist users are notorious for flagging competing ads for removal, whether it be a sale, service or M4 W ad. I can't say I know for sure it happens on either SA or SB but I certainly wouldn't doubt it. Or maybe I should take my tin foil hat and go home?

Charlie441
10-04-20, 23:08
Basically, don't talk price thru the site. You just throw it out there to meet up for a drink or something and we can talk -- or give them your (burner) # and chat about it thru that.

IMO, the most you say is that you'll make it worth their while, and you can talk details on phone or some place to meet at. Unless the girl thinks you seem like a cool guy she wouldn't mind having fun with in general and you paying the tab (definitely not a pro) -- she'll want to talk on the phone or thru some I'm program.

Some will bring it up via the site. Avoid answering it. Steer off-site.

Bth9318
10-05-20, 23:26
Thanks for all the advice.

Anonwmlatam
10-16-20, 14:09
Well it's been one hell of a ride, I'll summarise a bit of the girls again and some other observations.

Barista spinner 22, still my go to, fucks like it's our first time every time. Hasn't done bareback since the first night, but I don't mind. We get along well and the sex is great. Ppm is also very affordable and deal. I do a lot of listening and hanging out and it pays off in the sex.

Goth spinner 22, this one wants me to visit soon and sends me pics and vids. Looking forward to seeing her soon.

Nurse 26, Jesus this one I thought for sure was a scam, really hot and wanted to meet ASAP. We meet and she does lots of talking and I do my game of actively listening and after 3 hours of drinking and listening I suggest we move to the bed. FUCK! Bareback and MSOG till we were both dead tired. We talked and layed down for another hour. Another ATF UTR for my Rolodex.

College bartender 24, I'm doing my waiting game here. Hot legs and decent face and seems right for a long term thing. Talked while we did some light shopping and we're looking for times to meet again soon.

Tips: I cancelled my account twice since starting, and every time I restarted I found a gem almost immediately, I don't know if it's random or luck but I wanted to note that. The sorority 22 yr old girl I saw ended up being aggressive after I told her I was going to move on. She replied to my nice let down text by saying "well if I see any of my vids online I'll know it's you and pressing charges" it spooked me for a sec but then I remember that I know her full name and her parent is a LEO, so not only would I never post her pics / vids ever but also if she tried to claim that I did I'll call that bluff.

Take it or leave it but I've found that being patient, going through lots of profiles, being honest, really nice, but direct has helped me get to the next level, then maintaining all those things but adding actively listening has been my winning combo. I think I'll stick to this till I can't and keep seeing Deb H whenever we're in the same city.

Live it up gents, there's ALWAYS more fish in the see, be nice and don't ruin it for the rest of us. Happy fishing!

Gexem
10-20-20, 15:02
My current SA run is coming to an end as well. I did three months this time, and early on it was slim pickings. But it picked up in the last 3-4 weeks. Maybe school coming back in session helped, even with all the lockdown stuff. It took a ton of work, with dozens of messages, and several times I had to report scammers. But persistence pays off!

I've found three that I'm fairly happy with seeing, each a couple times a month. It's not super cheap. I'm spending about 200 each session. But for me it's worth it. They're 20,23, 27 and every session is at least a couple of hours with 2 or more shots on goal. And there's actual conversation, sometimes go out to dinner or similar, what I consider GFE. Nothing like most of the STG girls. I'll be sticking with these as long as they last.

Bth9318
10-29-20, 10:08
Okay so I made a new account. Different email different pictures. Account was approved. Waited a week to upgrade. Used a friend's credit card so as not to use the same name or account numbers and the account was immediately suspended. So any of you guys get banned and were able to create new accounts how did you do it? Thanks guys.

SmithJon
10-29-20, 10:44
Okay so I made a new account. Different email different pictures. Account was approved. Waited a week to upgrade. Used a friend's credit card so as not to use the same name or account numbers and the account was immediately suspended. So any of you guys get banned and were able to create new accounts how did you do it? Thanks guys.I had an account banned because I said something like "have private, friends with benefits time. In return, I'll help support you financially" which they saw solicitation. I figured it out and emailed them to tell them I'd change the words and they unbanned me with a warning. Just don't like sex for money in any way and you can say all kinds of things. Also, don't message the girls with direct offers, always do that off the site. They can report you and get you banned too. SA wants your business so I recomend you reach out and tell them you understand why they banned you and you won't do it again.

Gexem
10-29-20, 18:49
About banned accounts. There's a good chance they saved your IP address as part of the banning. So if you make a new account, it's best to do it using a VPN (or different server if you already have one).

Bth9318
11-03-20, 01:25
So I bought a vpn app. Its on a server out of Dallas. Made a new account. Uploaded pic. This takes a day. Enter vanilla gift card info bam logged out and suspended. There are a million scammers on there getting kicked off and then right back on. What the tell am I doing wrong. I emailed there support and heard nothing back about getting original ban lifted. Maybe I'm not sending to the correct spot? Any help would be appreciated.

Freessi
11-08-20, 11:05
So I bought a vpn app. Its on a server out of Dallas. Made a new account. Uploaded pic. This takes a day. Enter vanilla gift card info bam logged out and suspended. There are a million scammers on there getting kicked off and then right back on. What the tell am I doing wrong. I emailed there support and heard nothing back about getting original ban lifted. Maybe I'm not sending to the correct spot? Any help would be appreciated.Perhaps they have face recognition software so when you upload a new pic as long as your face is recognizable they will ban you again. This is a guess really. Since you are using a VPN it's also possible that that IP is been flagged for some other scammer and you just got unlucky. So don't upload a pic, if you do choose one that would confuse any face recognition software. This might be different for your provider but with cable modems -without a vpn- check out what your IP is "what's my IP" on google, power off your cable modem for 30 minutes to an hour, restart everything and your IP should be different now.

Keither43
11-08-20, 11:43
So I bought a vpn app. Its on a server out of Dallas. Made a new account. Uploaded pic. This takes a day. Enter vanilla gift card info bam logged out and suspended. There are a million scammers on there getting kicked off and then right back on. What the tell am I doing wrong. I emailed there support and heard nothing back about getting original ban lifted. Maybe I'm not sending to the correct spot? Any help would be appreciated.You realize you need to use a different email address than you previously used?

Bth9318
11-10-20, 00:55
Perhaps they have face recognition software so when you upload a new pic as long as your face is recognizable they will ban you again. This is a guess really. Since you are using a VPN it's also possible that that IP is been flagged for some other scammer and you just got unlucky. So don't upload a pic, if you do choose one that would confuse any face recognition software. This might be different for your provider but with cable modems -without a vpn- check out what your IP is "what's my IP" on google, power off your cable modem for 30 minutes to an hour, restart everything and your IP should be different now.It always seems to lower the hammer when I try to pay. When I load a pic. I use a different one clothes angles lighting etc. They always get approved. I have had a account for a week again with pic and no issues. But if I can't pay its useless. I tried a buddy's card instant suspend. I tried a vanilla gift card instant suspend. So I have to figure out a payment. They have Google pay as an option I think I can load that with the vanilla card through my new gmail account and I think that would be untraceable. I'm also going to get a new phone. I did the unplug thing on the internet so I think I'm good as far as a new IP goes. Going to get a new phone before I try to pay this time. Now it has become a quest. Like hacking directv back in the day. What do. You guys think?

Freessi
11-12-20, 09:02
It always seems to lower the hammer when I try to pay. When I load a pic. I use a different one clothes angles lighting etc. They always get approved. I have had a account for a week again with pic and no issues. But if I can't pay its useless. I tried a buddy's card instant suspend. I tried a vanilla gift card instant suspend. So I have to figure out a payment. They have Google pay as an option I think I can load that with the vanilla card through my new gmail account and I think that would be untraceable. I'm also going to get a new phone. I did the unplug thing on the internet so I think I'm good as far as a new IP goes. Going to get a new phone before I try to pay this time. Now it has become a quest. Like hacking directv back in the day. What do. You guys think?Most cards are name based- if you keep using the same name and perhaps the name is not so common perhaps their trigger is that. Misspell your last name when you get the next one "on accident". Did you check that in fact your IP changed with "what's my IP " on google?

MichiganMan686
11-20-20, 12:18
Had a weird one yesterday. Started texting a girl through SA and soon was beeing asked very quickly what I wanted. I said email me. I told whoever it was ppm 300 and I want 2 hr date 1 hr of fun. They came back and said you mean sex? I stopped after that. Girls profile had 1 pic and was 3 days old. Today profile has been deactivated. Might that have been LEO? TY.

ChastD1959
11-20-20, 16:10
Had a weird one yesterday. Started texting a girl through SA and soon was beeing asked very quickly what I wanted. I said email me. I told whoever it was ppm 300 and I want 2 hr date 1 hr of fun. They came back and said you mean sex? I stopped after that. Girls profile had 1 pic and was 3 days old. Today profile has been deactivated. Might that have been LEO? TY.Or maybe a naive girl who didn't realize what she was getting in to.

MichiganMan686
11-20-20, 18:02
Or maybe a naive girl who didn't realize what she was getting in to.Seems like its a given what Daddy wants in a dae but you might be right. It wad a real person txting and emaling. I'm new to this so it caught me by surprise.

ChastD1959
11-20-20, 21:35
Seems like its a given what Daddy wants in a dae but you might be right. It wad a real person txting and emaling. I'm new to this so it caught me by surprise.On STG, yes, but SA is not an escort site exclusively. There is a wide range of expectations and experiences to be had there. I'm seeing more and more girls there who expect to be paid for platonic company, or even online only.

MichiganMan686
11-21-20, 09:33
On STG, yes, but SA is not an escort site exclusively. There is a wide range of expectations and experiences to be had there. I'm seeing more and more girls there who expect to be paid for platonic company, or even online only.I find it hard to believe a guy would give out money for platonic arrangement. Why on earth would someone do that? That makes no sense to me.

Gexem
11-21-20, 13:57
I find it hard to believe a guy would give out money for platonic arrangement. Why on earth would someone do that? That makes no sense to me.Yep, but girls keep trying. I suspect that there are a very few actual cases of guys wanting platonic relationships (no judgement, everyone has their own thing) and those stories spread like wildfire. Then you get a whole bunch of girls looking for that, thinking they're the one who will get lucky and find that perfect money-for-free arrangement.

Not dissimilar to how we mongers every once in a while find a smoking hot girl for dirt cheap, and that story gets out, and then we're all looking at the hot pics on STG or wherever thinking "well it's probably fake, but maybe it's the real thing this time. ".

WaltK
11-23-20, 16:16
On STG, yes, but SA is not an escort site exclusively. There is a wide range of expectations and experiences to be had there. I'm seeing more and more girls there who expect to be paid for platonic company, or even online only.I have a theory about the claims of platonic payments. They serve two purposes; first, there is the off chance that some schmuck might actually do it and second, they provide cover / excuse when someone who knows the girl in real life sees the ad. Just a little preemptive damage control for their reputation. There are drastically more women willing to suck a dick for money than there are women willing to admit it.

MichiganMan686
11-25-20, 21:07
I have a theory about the claims of platonic payments. They serve two purposes; first, there is the off chance that some schmuck might actually do it and second, they provide cover / excuse when someone who knows the girl in real life sees the ad. Just a little preemptive damage control for their reputation. There are drastically more women willing to suck a dick for money than there are women willing to admit it.Girl today just wanted an allowance for sending pics. WTF. Pornhub is free. Unreal. MM686.

MichiganMan686
11-25-20, 21:11
Had an SA girl insist on a face pic of me. I'm like no. Ifu want to meet up you can see me but you are the one selling your goods not me. Really weird.

PrivateParts
11-25-20, 21:50
Had an SA girl insist on a face pic of me. I'm like no. Ifu want to meet up you can see me but you are the one selling your goods not me. Really weird.It's a sugar baby site, you are hoping to discover a hot young thing who likes sex and she's thinking she might as well see if some rich guy might gift her things instead giving it up to some guy at a bar, right? That's the idea behind SA. Any woman I've ever hooked with via an online site has always wanted to see a pic of me before agreeing to meet. That seems pretty standard. That's the ante to be dealt into the game. If you want a woman to agree to see you sight unseen then stick with the escorts.

MichiganMan686
11-26-20, 16:14
It's a sugar baby site, you are hoping to discover a hot young thing who likes sex and she's thinking she might as well see if some rich guy might gift her things instead giving it up to some guy at a bar, right? That's the idea behind SA. Any woman I've ever hooked with via an online site has always wanted to see a pic of me before agreeing to meet. That seems pretty standard. That's the ante to be dealt into the game. If you want a woman to agree to see you sight unseen then stick with the escorts.OK. TY for the responce. I'm still learning. I was worried about my actual pic being put out there. Always worried about being in a bad situation. Again TY for the responce. MM686.

Mike Yepthatsm
11-26-20, 18:11
Look at the Richmond Virginia Sugar baby section on this site. It's filled with tons of helpful info if you are just getting started. It's an incredible active section. Helped me a lot years ago when I first joined SA.


OK. TY for the responce. I'm still learning. I was worried about my actual pic being put out there. Always worried about being in a bad situation. Again TY for the responce. MM686.

MichiganMan686
11-26-20, 18:24
Look at the Richmond Virginia Sugar baby section on this site. It's filled with tons of helpful info if you are just getting started. It's an incredible active section. Helped me a lot years ago when I first joined SA.Ok. TY. I'm a experienced monger. Escorting and massage. Just not SA. I don't want to get kicked off it for saying the wrong thing either. I'm looking for ppm utr girls to see a few times a month. MM686.

PrivateParts
11-26-20, 19:09
Besides the other site mentioned below, read this thread. Lots of advice. For married men, don't use a face pic on your public profile, and be cautious of anything you post (public or private album). My advice is to take new pictures of yourself wearing different clothes than what you normally wear or use image filters to change colors so it looks different. Also don't take the pic in your house. You have no idea if your wife, friend, or daughter might be on that site and recognize you or your surroundings.

Once you make contact with a girl the way you play it depends on how they act. Some are more willing to meet right away than others, some are looking for a financial arrangement while I've met others that are just looking for a relationship. See if you can get them to text for a while so when you finally talk money it's not via their messaging site. You can try to hold off giving out your picture until you're sure she's legit, but keep in mind for every 1 girl you contact she's got 10+ guys in line. So if you are too secretive and not willing to share stuff about yourself you risk she'll move onto to someone else.

You may find some women who are ready for pay per meet right away, but more likely you'll find they want to get to know you. So Sugaring is more like dating, at least initially, so you've got to be prepared to work it a bit to get the reward.


Ok. TY. I'm a experienced monger. Escorting and massage. Just not SA. I don't want to get kicked off it for saying the wrong thing either. I'm looking for ppm utr girls to see a few times a month. MM686.

MichiganMan686
11-26-20, 21:27
Besides the other site mentioned below, read this thread. Lots of advice. For married men, don't use a face pic on your public profile, and be cautious of anything you post (public or private album). My advice is to take new pictures of yourself wearing different clothes than what you normally wear or use image filters to change colors so it looks different. Also don't take the pic in your house. You have no idea if your wife, friend, or daughter might be on that site and recognize you or your surroundings.

Once you make contact with a girl the way you play it depends on how they act. Some are more willing to meet right away than others, some are looking for a financial arrangement while I've met others that are just looking for a relationship. See if you can get them to text for a while so when you finally talk money it's not via their messaging site. You can try to hold off giving out your picture until you're sure she's legit, but keep in mind for every 1 girl you contact she's got 10+ guys in line. So if you are too secretive and not willing to share stuff about yourself you risk she'll move onto to someone else.

You may find some women who are ready for pay per meet right away, but more likely you'll find they want to get to know you. So Sugaring is more like dating, at least initially, so you've got to be prepared to work it a bit to get the reward.Awesome. TY. Very good info. Happy Thanksgiving. MM686.

Charlie441
11-27-20, 01:53
Had an SA girl insist on a face pic of me. I'm like no. Ifu want to meet up you can see me but you are the one selling your goods not me. Really weird.Actually, I disagree. On SA, it's not Skip-the-Games under-cover. It's set as a Personals Site -- pretty much like Adult Friend Finder. Except with two twists -- many will use it for escorting and such out the door but are up for a potential guy-on-the-side regular. Others are a settled in "relationship" as a "regular" in that same manner. Others want to go out and be pampered, and yeah, will fool around (possibly not on first 'date' as it all Varies. Some gals are just using it the same as if they're on Adult Friend Finder. Heck, some women have $$ and just want to find guys with $$ themselves.

So like the gals -- you can't expect it to flow just one-way, as if it's one-purpose / expectation only. For legit gals on there for more it's purpose, it's roughly a match-making site, not something like Skip-the-Games but in a different way. Hence, most non-straight-up under-cover escorts on there are going to treat it like a Personals site, but for fun. So they'll want to end up seeing a pic just the same. But many gals have many different angles -- and their angles can change from one guy to the next.

MichiganMan686
11-27-20, 21:25
Actually, I disagree. On SA, it's not Skip-the-Games under-cover. It's set as a Personals Site -- pretty much like Adult Friend Finder. Except with two twists -- many will use it for escorting and such out the door but are up for a potential guy-on-the-side regular. Others are a settled in "relationship" as a "regular" in that same manner. Others want to go out and be pampered, and yeah, will fool around (possibly not on first 'date' as it all Varies. Some gals are just using it the same as if they're on Adult Friend Finder. Heck, some women have $$ and just want to find guys with $$ themselves.

So like the gals -- you can't expect it to flow just one-way, as if it's one-purpose / expectation only. For legit gals on there for more it's purpose, it's roughly a match-making site, not something like Skip-the-Games but in a different way. Hence, most non-straight-up under-cover escorts on there are going to treat it like a Personals site, but for fun. So they'll want to end up seeing a pic just the same. But many gals have many different angles -- and their angles can change from one guy to the next.Again I'm new at SA. Worried about being UTR. TY for the info. MM686.

Round
11-30-20, 12:51
Met with this one.Communication was excellent. She was ready for a last minute meeting quickly. Traveled to me and was prompt. Really soft touch and a magic mouth. Really nice breasts. Enjoyed a couple of rounds with her for $$ I recommend and would repeat.

https://www.seeking.com/member/fef6745d-5c4c-46c3-930b-eceab614416f

PrivateParts
11-30-20, 14:09
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ChastD1959
11-30-20, 16:38
IMHO we shouldn't allow reviews of a women you hook up with from a sugar baby site. There is a clear distinction between women on a Sugar site vs STG or EM. Whatever happens between you and a Baby is private and confidential. By posting links to a woman's profile and reviewing what she did for $ invalidates that trust. If we all did that it could prevent other women from joining those sugar sites because they might be fearful of seeing their daddy review them like a cheap prostitute. Sugar Babies can always claim they joined just to "find a relationship" with a rich guy and not ever admit what they are willing to do discreetly.

I know other city forums do this, so maybe I'm in the minority here. If one wants to share GR sugar baby experiences here I suggest post in general terms about meeting a 40 yo MILF, college girl, etc and leave out her details. We can alway private messages if you want to pass along a lead to another member if she's actually operating more as a UTR. Again, just my opinion.I agree. SA and SB are not escort sites, and should not be reviewed as such.

Round
11-30-20, 17:23
IMHO we shouldn't allow reviews of a women you hook up with from a sugar baby site. There is a clear distinction between women on a Sugar site vs STG or EM. Whatever happens between you and a Baby is private and confidential. By posting links to a woman's profile and reviewing what she did for $ invalidates that trust. If we all did that it could prevent other women from joining those sugar sites because they might be fearful of seeing their daddy review them like a cheap prostitute. Sugar Babies can always claim they joined just to "find a relationship" with a rich guy and not ever admit what they are willing to do discreetly.

I know other city forums do this, so maybe I'm in the minority here. If one wants to share GR sugar baby experiences here I suggest post in general terms about meeting a 40 yo MILF, college girl, etc and leave out her details. We can alway private messages if you want to pass along a lead to another member if she's actually operating more as a UTR. Again, just my opinion.I would like more members to chime in on this. At first I thought it was okay to let others know the person was real, not a scammer or out to waste your time.

Boomstick25
11-30-20, 19:48
I kind of agree with this. There are certainly girls on the site that are more or less using as a straight up escort type ad, but there are a lot of women on there legit looking at this as a sugar baby situation. I have two I see regularly. One is a legit 9 out of 10 girl in her early 20's who wanted some extra money, doesn't want to be sleeping with a bunch of random guys so was hoping to find one that'd meet semi-regularly. The other is a cute college girl that was bored, lonely and looking for some experience with an older guy to help her get more comfortable with sex. The latter doesn't even want money anymore. I wouldn't post details here about either of them to protect their privacy because they aren't looking to be escorts.

I have no issue with those confirming people are real, and for those that are looking for 1-off PPM type deals, sure, fine. But for the women on there looking for legit SB / SD type arrangements, I agree it's best to keep that between yourselves.

MichiganMan686
12-01-20, 07:13
IMHO we shouldn't allow reviews of a women you hook up with from a sugar baby site. There is a clear distinction between women on a Sugar site vs STG or EM. Whatever happens between you and a Baby is private and confidential. By posting links to a woman's profile and reviewing what she did for $ invalidates that trust. If we all did that it could prevent other women from joining those sugar sites because they might be fearful of seeing their daddy review them like a cheap prostitute. Sugar Babies can always claim they joined just to "find a relationship" with a rich guy and not ever admit what they are willing to do discreetly.

I know other city forums do this, so maybe I'm in the minority here. If one wants to share GR sugar baby experiences here I suggest post in general terms about meeting a 40 yo MILF, college girl, etc and leave out her details. We can alway private messages if you want to pass along a lead to another member if she's actually operating more as a UTR. Again, just my opinion.I agree with this too. I like SA cause its UTR. I do like this forum for asking if others have seen a SB before to just make sure they are legit and safe to see. I don't want to get into a bad situation. MM686.

Charlie441
12-03-20, 02:49
I agree. SA and SB are not escort sites, and should not be reviewed as such.True, they're not. But they are being used as such -- to a straight-up degree as found on Skip The Games, or in another "genre", but still on the same level as an escort where it's still pay-to-have-me-around-and-pork while you're not a match-making item by any means, just a GFE-regular. But yes, there are some who aren't quite like that, or not at all. It can then become more like Massage Parlors -- you don't want to give away everything and go into detail, but more categorize what to expect.

You'll want to know that X gal is going to want to charge you a PPM (pay per meet) -- even with no fooling around, on the 1st person-to-person meetup. You'll also want to know what X gal charges in general, where obviously it's not just a meet-and-greet, and if an initial meeting doesn't cost anything (which it shouldn't), and what she looks like in person, etc.

But you'll also want to know what X gal is looking for VS what you're looking for, etc.

IMO, unless she's a straight-up escort on there (yes, they commonly exist there but almost all don't Say it in their ad; you find out once chatting some) -- you don't have to go into the details of all the positions, how good her vagina is, how wet she is, whether she likes greek or not, like an escort ad. You can just say "Yeah, she's as hot as her pics, and she's just looking for a guy to be 'dating' for a while only. Looks great naked, it was great," and that's about it on the physical side. I do believe one could say she was x / why / z, good or bad, in wanting money / gifts and in what way to be dating.

So in essence, outside one ending up being a play-to-play (=escort) on there, the focus should just be how they roll as far as being out in public's concerned, their attitude, how long it lasts, etc. Those categories so one knows what to expect. Is she like a not-serious GF? Or is she like the secretary you're sleeping with? How much does it run you per month for whatever "genre" she is?

Blackfire
12-03-20, 09:50
True, they're not. But they are being used as such -- to a straight-up degree as found on Skip The Games, or in another "genre", but still on the same level as an escort where it's still pay-to-have-me-around-and-pork while you're not a match-making item by any means, just a GFE-regular. But yes, there are some who aren't quite like that, or not at all. It can then become more like Massage Parlors -- you don't want to give away everything and go into detail, but more categorize what to expect.

You'll want to know that X gal is going to want to charge you a PPM (pay per meet) -- even with no fooling around, on the 1st person-to-person meetup. You'll also want to know what X gal charges in general, where obviously it's not just a meet-and-greet, and if an initial meeting doesn't cost anything (which it shouldn't), and what she looks like in person, etc.

But you'll also want to know what X gal is looking for VS what you're looking for, etc.

IMO, unless she's a straight-up escort on there (yes, they commonly exist there but almost all don't Say it in their ad; you find out once chatting some) -- you don't have to go into the details of all the positions, how good her vagina is, how wet she is, whether she likes greek or not, like an escort ad. You can just say "Yeah, she's as hot as her pics, and she's just looking for a guy to be 'dating' for a while only. Looks great naked, it was great," and that's about it on the physical side. I do believe one could say she was x / why / z, good or bad, in wanting money / gifts and in what way to be dating.I think some people way overthink and over analyze! Seeking is just another advertising avenue for escorts to reach their audience. If anyone actually thinks that most of these young ladies are just jonesing to meet a 50 or 60 year old man and satisfy him sexually and would do it for no cash you need to get your big head examined. I say review away. I think there was even an argument that these innocent girls shouldn't be reviewed because they may see the review on here and be horrified someone thinks they're a prostitute. And that other innocent girls may see reviews here and not sign up for SA / Do you really think a lot of innocent girls are perusing this site?

Gexem
12-03-20, 20:32
There's no one-size-fits-all description of the girls on sugar baby sites. You can be pretty sure that everyone advertising on STG is there strictly for pay-to-play. On SA? There's a variety. Some are certainly there to do the escort thing, but others treat it as a dating site, yet others are trying to get $ for nothing ("platonic" still others want sex without strings and figure a little extra cash is a nice bonus. Sharing information is fine. The more you know and all that. But you have to keep in mind that a girl could fall into any of those categories (or others I haven't listed) and she may not act the same with every guy.

PrivateParts
12-03-20, 22:15
Wow, I started this topic so I guess I should own it. Sorry for the uproar. Yes I probably over analyze things, but no I don't need my head examined. I'm on my 2nd successful non-paying relationship with a young woman from SA. She happens to be hot as hell, half my age and loves sex. I'm sorry if anyone finds that hard to believe, but other men have posted similar experiences to mine. Just RTFF. The fact is not all baby profiles are escorts. You'll find open relationships, swingers, and women who use it like a free dating site too. If that's hard to fathom, stick to STG.

I won't discourage anyone from posting a review of an escort. We have a place for that in the Escort Reports. The point of this particular thread is to provide guidance on how to be successful at finding Sugar Babies around Grand Rapids. My advice for anyone seeking it is simple: don't treat them as escorts.

Round
12-04-20, 16:27
So. Are we all in agreement we should not review SA girls in the public forum?. Just let others know if they are real or scammers of some kind.

If anyone wants details of the meeting they may private message us.

PrivateParts
12-04-20, 19:42
In cases like yours where the "sugar baby" gave you permission to share her info, she's basically asking to be a UTR escort. In that case you can review her generically speaking and have guys PM you for details. We do it all the time. Personally I think that type of post belongs in escort reports, but that's spitting hairs.

If someone comes across a scammer or whatever, Seeking.com has mechanism to allow you to flag her as a violation and her profile will get removed. That seems like the more appropriate thing to do. Assuming it works. Rather then posting it here. I said my peace regarding posting sex reviews of good babies. I prefaced it with "humble opinion" but that didn't fly. So my official stance is guys can post anything in accordance to the forum guidelines. 😁.


So. Are we all in agreement we should not review SA girls in the public forum?. Just let others know if they are real or scammers of some kind.

If anyone wants details of the meeting they may private message us.

SeniorChapo
12-10-20, 19:16
Hi Everyone. Wondering what is everyone's minum contribution towards your SB. I agree the sugar life is more expensive but wanted to get others set up. Met with one, she required a minum of $$$ for an evening. I told her I'm in the 100-150 per meeting plus dinner / drinks. We continued to talk and parted ways and I did mention if she changed her mind to let me know. I agree my budget may be below what other guys spend. She is tall and pretty and I want some so might just pocket it out.

Anyone care to comment please PM me or reply on board.

Thanks.

StevesMilin
12-11-20, 07:43
Hi Everyone. Wondering what is everyone's minum contribution towards your SB. I agree the sugar life is more expensive but wanted to get others set up. Met with one, she required a minum of $$$ for an evening. I told her I'm in the 100-150 per meeting plus dinner / drinks. We continued to talk and parted ways and I did mention if she changed her mind to let me know. I agree my budget may be below what other guys spend. She is tall and pretty and I want some so might just pocket it out.

Anyone care to comment please PM me or reply on board.

Thanks.I have two SBs that I see regularly for 100 per visit. No time constraints. They are in their 40's, not exactly primo, but great nevertheless. One is a near nympho. But many are in the 200-300 range. Younger and hotter is costlier.

Gexem
12-13-20, 13:18
Hi Everyone. Wondering what is everyone's minum contribution towards your SB.I find that it's very rare to find anything under 200 per meeting, at least if you're looking toward the young-and-cute end of the spectrum. Anyone who wants less than that is almost always going to be heavy, older, or plain old ugly. And of course there are lots who want more, but I generally just hard pass anyone who won't accept 200.

The good news is that for 200 you get a lot more than an escort appt. Most are quite a bit better looking than escorts (the real ones, not the fake pics). Almost always multiple shots, many will do BB if that's a risk you're willing to take, they don't clock-watch, and for the most part they'll actually enjoy the process.

PrivateParts
12-13-20, 22:49
I started writing down a few thoughts and ended up writing a book. This guide, broken up in multiple posts, is geared more towards the married man looking to score a quality relationship. If you're the type to blindly pay for a membership, shot-gun 100 messages and hope for the best then don't bother reading. I'd rather not pay for sex if I don't have to, so that's my angle. However lots of the advice is applicable to anyone who has time and good reading comprehension.

First thing: read Monger01's very 1st post in this thread (last page) and do your own research as to what you think women want or what kind of a "daddy" you'd like to be. Look through this entire thread.

If you are going to dabble in the Sugar scene you must first consider what you want out of it and what you can honestly manage. Certain types of babies are a commitment and require attention with regular texting, phone calls, meet-ups, spending $$, evenings / late nights, etc. Does your lifestyle allow you to do that? Can you hide the time and money you spend from your spouse? If you can't then you'll want to stay away from contacting babies who want some type of "relationship" beyond a pay-per-meet (PPM). It's possible to find normal, non-payment based relationship on these sites too, so if that's what you want then make sure you tailor your approach that way. That's where I've had success. Also think long and hard what your personal schedule allows. This is important to keep in mind before you jump onto a site and start talking with women. Just because that hot college girl contacted you doesn't mean you should waste time chatting with her if you can't afford a long drive and hotel room for a Ferris State coed Instead stick with older, local woman that can host. Figure this out before you spend any money.

General Advice: Don't act like someone you are not. The sugar sites are full of men who lie about their wealth or promise fabulous gifts but really are only looking for a one-time hookup. If that's your angle you probably won't have success because women will sniff you out. Men who appear more genuine while still being a little guarded about their privacy can have success. If you are searching for the girl who just got onto the site and has NEVER DONE THIS before she'll want to be convinced you are not an ax murderer. If you want a seasoned veteran, look for a woman who's been on the site for a long time. Either way, try to keep your full identity a closely guarded secret. Use a hobby phone for texting, fake email, etc.

Some guys can jump into the sugar scene head first and do well. Others don't know how to swim. My advice is for the cautious, over-thinkers as well as those who want more than a cheap escort. Fisherman may be able to relate to this: be well equipped, know which lures to use, be patient, don't overreact to a nibble, know how to reel it in, and don't be afraid to cut bait. The guide is to get them into your boat, after that it's up to you to undress them.

Keys to success:
Know what you are really after and don't send mix signals.
Understand the process and make the most of it. Guides #2 and 3.
Creating a profile that gets a woman's interest. Guides #4-5.
How you communicate. Guide #6.
Keeping a Baby happy. Guide #7.
Avoid the scammers. (sprinkled throughout).


Enjoy, and remember to use the GR Pugilistic Society when you complain I blew up this thread.

PrivateParts
12-13-20, 23:00
You can do a lot for free on without sending or reading messages. Refer to my earlier post regarding Seeking Arrangements vs Secret Benefits. I prefer SA but my guide could be applied to SB. I'll describe a 2 profile system. You don't need two profiles but I think it can be useful. The first step is to sign up for free to test the waters and figure out an optimal plan of attack. Plan on spending a good two weeks playing around following this guide.

The reason for 2 profiles is this: one will be your "fake" or "backup" profile, while the other will be your real or "primary" profile. The main purpose of the "fake / backup" profile besides testing the site is to narrow down the field of babies. There are 100's of them. I'll talk about the "primary" profile in another guide which you will create LATER, and how you play the two off each other.

How to do it:

1. All you need is a unique email for each profile you create. For this first fake / backup profile you can either do the bare minimum that allows you to view women, or you can complete the profile 100% to give you the full experience. The steps outlined here suggest to do the full thing to get your profile approved and allows Babies to view your fake self. Guide #4-5 will talk about how to it all for real but this version will so you can get familiar with the site and learn how to interact with Babies a little.

2. Complete all the required fields and upload a picture to make sure your fake profile is 100% complete. At this step of the guide I recommend you make your fake profile as generic as possible. Upload a picture like a back of mans head or something stupid, and keep your profile description to the bare minimum of words or otherwise make yourself look boring or pathetic. You intentionally do not want women becoming interested in you at this point. Ill explain why in a minute. Once all steps are done you should get an approval email or rejection within a day or so. Go back and Edit Profile to see if any part has been rejected. You need to have an approved profile before any women can see this profile.

Note: you are going to become very familiar with the tools on SA that shows you when a Baby was "last online", "last viewed me", "favorited me", etc. As stated, this only works when you have a fully approved profile which may take a day or so after you complete it. Once it goes active, women will view your profile (guaranteed) just because you are new. However because I told you to create a pathetic profile, no woman should have reason to "favorite" or "message" you. If your pathetic profile gets favorited or messaged right away that means it's from a fake, a scammer or a low-grade hooker who recently discovered the internet.

3. Wait a 3 day or more after your profile has been approved so you can see the first wave of scams. Don't even view any women during this time, just wait. Any Baby profiles that messaged or favorited your pathetic profile should be avoided. Use the hide and block feature for those women once you've let things settle for that 1st week.

4. Now start viewing all the women in W MI but DO NOT favorite any or ask to see private albums (I know its killing you not to look, right? The point here is to get familiar with the search functions and get a sense of whos out there. You will spend hours a day looking at profiles, and those women will see that you viewed them. But because you still have a pathetic fake profile they shouldn't be messaging you. If they do, something aint right with them.

5. Make a priority list of women you think fits your wants / desired identified in Guide #1. Literally write a list of 3 categories: top tier hotties, middle tier women in your league, and 3rd tier women youd settle for. Literally write it down because youll lose track. Record their profile names, age, or keywords so you can find them again easily. Note when each was last online and how long has she been a member. Pay attention to inconsistency to their profile and pictures to spot fakes. Pictures with palm trees in the background, Southern College sweatshirts, or body descriptions that don't match the image. Try to identify which ones really seem like local women with a REAL description, not just a generic 2 sentences BIO. Youll may have a long list, but well narrow it down.

6. Once you have the lay of the land and your wish list, go ahead and update your profile (but DO NOT BUY MEMBERSHIP yet). If you are doing my 2 profile system were still using your fake / backup profile so update it but DO NOT bring your A Game. You just want to create an AVERAGE profile to see what type of language might get a reaction out of women. Remember: this isn't your real, finale profile so don't use a face pic of yourself (more on that in Guide 4).

7. Start flirting from your free, fake profile. Go through the women in your list and Favorite them, request albums, grant albums etc. , then monitor if any react in any way. If they are active they should at least click on your profile so youll seem them under Viewed Me. Maybe some even favorited your average looking profile? Update your 3-tiered list of women to keep track of which ones are live ones. If you don't see much activity, change your profile description a little to see what works. Refer to See Guide 6, but as I said, don't bring your A Game yet.

8. This might take you no time at all, or it might take you weeks to play with profiles and peak an interest of some of those dream girls.

You can consider it a success if after you Favorited a real hottie you see she viewed your profile back within a couple days. That's a good indication she's real, but simply wasn't interested in your boring profile. If you got a favorite or message in response then you are ahead of the game. Some guys are ready to buy the subscription at this point and start messaging using this starter profile. That's fine if you want. However if you're trying to catch a certain caliber of woman you'll take what you've learned and make your "real" solid gold profile per Guide #3 to catch her.

PrivateParts
12-13-20, 23:07
If you followed Guide 2 you casted a wide net via your "fake / backup" profile and brought some babies close to your boat. Now it's time to spear fish the best ones identified from your 3 tier list of woman. You'll make a new profile that reflects what.

It's important to note while using your "fake / backup" profile in Guide 2, some of those women may notice you were online every day, multiple times per day. That smells like desperation. For some women out looking to make a buck it won't matter. But for that certain caliber of women you're looking for that might turn her off. Creating your "real / primary" profile now does two things: A) you become a fresh new face and B) any women who were so bored by your "fake" profile may have "hidden" it from their searches. Yes, that's a feature of SA. That's why you simply don't update that 1st profile that you've been playing with for weeks. Now that you're more savvy with the site you're ready to make a new solid gold profile that's sure to attract the hotties.

The strategy for using your real / primary profile is this: use it sparingly. Log on, favorite, log off, and wait. It's still free. If you can't help yourself from viewing women's profiles do it from your "fake / backup" profile. Here are the steps:

1. Create a new profile using new email, and make your profile Gold per Guide #4 and 5, and wait for it to be approved so women can see it. Don't view any (because you already have your list from Guide 2).

2. Once approved, login again and Favorite the tier 1 hotties you identified as being active and log off.

3. Wait a few days to a week. Give those women time to react to you, they may not be obsessed and checking it hourly like you. You'll get an email alert when they do. In the meantime, you can use your "backup" profile to see if any of those women logged since. If so and you didn't get an email then you didn't peak their interest or they're engaged with another member. Give it some time.

4. Note: since this profile is brand new, you'll get the same type of scammers you saw per the steps in Guide 2, so ignore them all. Many women will view this profile simply because you are a "new user".

5. If you get an email alerts that a baby has messaged or favorited it will include their user name. If it's not one of your hotties ignore it for now (even if she's on a lower tier). You can go back to it later if none of your top tier babies pan out. Be patient and continue to fish for the top tier girls you really want.

6. If you don't get any reaction from your top tier hotties after a week, log back into your primary profile and poke them with a request to view her album or share yours. Sometimes it takes a little prodding. You can also Favorite some of your second tier women from your list. Continue doing this, only strategically logging when necessary to minimize the instances it looks like you are online until you get some interest. Don't get impatient and shot gun Favorites to every women. You are on this site to land the unicorn so play it out. It's all free still. Don't put any skin into the game until you've dealt yourself a good hand.

7. Only after you get a few nice prospects Favoriting you or messaging you back is it time to buy the Subscription! There is no need to buy the subscription until you've got a few girls on the hook because your 30 day clock starts running. So don't squander your precious paid time. Make sure you know how to purchase the membership with a credit card hidden from spouse or a pre-paid check card. You need a subscription to read or send messages.

Hopefully the point of this 2 profile system is clear. You want to look like a new member AFTER you've done all of your experimenting in a fake profile. Your "primary" profile will have no such history. This is subtle, but it might make a difference to your 2nd and 3rd tier women who may have noticed your other profile was constantly online every day and either blocked you, or felt rejected that you never favorited her. You want a woman to feel like the first time you viewed her you had to reach out. That's the advantage with creating a fresh profile. But don't throw away your backup profile. Once you start talking with a Baby met via your primary profile you can tell her you want to be exclusive while still using your backup profile to see if any new hotties come online. That's the beauty of the two-profile system.

PrivateParts
12-13-20, 23:17
Married men shouldn't post face pics on the public profile unless you have no fear about getting caught. A single man may not want to either, especially if he is less than handsome. The point of your profile picture (and BIO and tagline) is to get a woman interested enough to want to talk to you. So that's the point here: post a GOOD, interesting profile picture. It doesn't have to be your face.

You can also upload private album photos. This is also a MUST just because it's another flirting tool to see if a woman might be interested in you. It's up to you if you want to have face pic in your private album because you are in control of who sees it. I personally still wouldn't put a face pic in my private album but I'm overly cautious. Regardless, whatever pictures you use make them flattering and interesting. Once you start chatting, most real babies (non-escorts) will want to see your face, so be prepared for that. You can provide that via outside means once you feel confident that she's legit. See Guide 6 on tips to know she's not scamming you.

Married men who don't want to want to be discovered shouldn't use pictures their wife took of them. I recommend taking only NEW PICTURES of yourself that nobody has seen. Don't use and from your social media posts, no family pictures, no pictures in your own home, etc. I take selfies of myself in hotels, or with non-descript backgrounds, or in very interesting locations that nobody in my family or friends have ever seen me at. I don't want my images floating around the internet and getting back to someone I know. I crop out my face or obscure it in some way. I also alter the color of the picture to disguise my clothes so you can't tell it's my favorite blue shirt. I'm overly paranoid that a coworker or family member might recognize with my body type wearing my favorite shirt. It's really to use your camera photo editing to make it black & white or use various effects to change the look. Another great option is to try on different clothes at a department store dressing room and take a selfie but make sure it doesn't look like you're in a dressing room! If a woman sees you wearing a fancy suit in an obvious dressing room mirror she'll think you are full of crap.

The pictures should be GOOD quality and reflect the image you are portraying! Feedback I've gotten were my pictures were flattering and looked genuine. If your BIO is funny, have some fun pictures. If your BIO promises lavish gifts or travel then you better dress the part and be in exotic locations. Don't promise "fine dining" in your profile and then post a picture of you changing the oil in your dirty pick-up truck with crushed bud light cans in the background.

Biggest complaint from women is men don't even try or do gross things that women don't find sexy. Nobody wants to see a shirtless, hairy man with a beer gut. Keep your shirt on unless you've got washboard abs, but even if you do DON'T make that your public picture because you'll come across as a douchebag. Never send a woman a dick pic unless she's already sucked it. No DMV style mugshots, no public bathroom mirror selfies, no dear-in-the-headlights selfies with nostrils flaring, etc. Use your freaking camera timer and take some good pics of yourself. Don't try too hard to be sexy but try to make yourself attractive. Google how to take a good selfie. Women find men sexy when they aren't trying to be sexy.

PrivateParts
12-13-20, 23:20
I can't stress this enough: your profile text is the most important. Spend time on this and make it solid gold. Be articulate, use good grammar, and spelling.

When you first create your profile there are lots of required fields. DOB, Net Worth, Relationship status, etc. It might be ok to misrepresent your age, or your relationship as "Open" instead of saying "Married But Looking" but it's probably not wise to exaggerate your net worth. It all goes back to Guide #1 and knowing what you're trying to get out and tailoring your profile to match.

If your BIO text is only a couple sentences, then you really don't understand the type of women that you can get on that site. Don't use the standard crap like "I like movies and long walks on the beach" and don't state the obvious like "I'm looking for a baby to have fun with". Come on man, be smarter than that. Here is where you show personality. Infuse charm, humor, humility, intelligence and confidence. Be clever. Differentiate yourself from the 100's of other men who barely try or those men who treat it like an escort service. Those are the guys who fail and complain the site is a waste of time. It's not. Before you go online make your profile GOLD to maximize your catch (Guides 2-3, and 6).

Write your BIO offline and copy it in. On SA the edit profile feature isn't very intuitive so it's easy to lose unsaved work. Secondly you'll want to spend a lot of time writing your description, and every time you update the profile it has to get "approved" again. I have put certain language in that got approved once, but then on a later edit that language gets denied. So try not to change this "gold" profile that much to limit the additional scrutiny. Especially if you're going to be putting any "hints" about your payment plan.

Once you start your 30 day membership you want to concentrate your time on messaging women. If your profile is well written you don't need to waste time writing about yourself to every woman you message. They'll read your message AND your profile. So write a great profile once.

Don't pretend to be someone you're not. Put your best foot forward. If you're not very charismatic with the ladies but are willing to throw lavish gifts towards a hottie then find a way to communicate that in your profile description. Just don't set an expectation in your profile that you'll be a PPM guy then try to convince her once you meetup that what you really want is free FWB.

Tailor your profile key words to your objective (Guide #1). Babies will use those key words / categories to search / filter out men. If you want a college girl for instance, select you are "seeking discretion" and don't say your current relationship is "Married". I don't recommend you try and hide the fact you are married, it'll become obvious. You can admit it once you start talking, just have a sympathetic answer as to why you want to cheat on your wife instead of pretending you're single or saying you're a sex addict.

If you are strictly looking for PPM then use the terms like "willing to offer financial support" or "enjoy providing gifts to a fun woman". As mentioned, your profile needs to get approved before it goes online so you can't overtly say you want to pay for sex. Refer to Guide #2 on experimenting with what you can and can't get away with in your "fake / backup" profile before stumbling on this primary profile.

You obviously want sex, so clearly state you're looking for a physical relationship but add in a phrase like "only if there is a connection". It doesn't matter if you are the type to screw a pig with lipstick. The reason you are here is you want more than a typical escort. You're fishing for the woman who wants sexual exclusivity without the dating commitment and hopefully no money, but you'll take a woman who's more of a 1 or 2 guy UTR. If it's clear in your BIO that you are interested in having a sexual relationship under the right circumstances you might be surprised to find a woman who claims to be "seeking platonic" but really wants sex as much as you but doesn't want to advertise it.

PrivateParts
12-13-20, 23:35
Obviously you can't message until you pay. Refer to Guides 2-3 before you fork over money to send messages.

First advice: don't treat the women like an escort. When you establish contact, you need to treat it as a courtship at first. If she's really a PPM / UTR escort, she'll get down to business quickly. There is no reason to bring up "arrangements" right away. The worst thing guys do is offer money for a date and banned for a proposition. There are tons of warnings about this up & down these threads about guys making that mistake, yet I promise you some idiot is going to do that and complain here. Don't be that idiot.

If she immediately starts talking about allowances or something then simply reply "we can talk arrangement details later" and ask her if she liked to move to texting or email. Remember: don't use your personal number or email. This is vital for 2 reasons: to avoid having incriminating conversation using their messaging system which will get you banned, and it also makes your "primary" profile look inactive for reasons described in Guide #3 while you chat with her offline.

Your very first message to a woman via the site should be something special. You are going nowhere with the "hey baby" message unless you stumble upon $40 streetwalker disguised as a $200 Baby. You are hoping for the unicorn when you first message her so don't proposition her. When you craft your first message you should make it about HER, but not in a creepy way. Don't say how pretty she is or how sexy she is. That's amateur hour. Women want to be complimented yes, but a real Baby is on the site looking for a man who is out of HER LEAGUE. If you drool all over her like the guy on a street corner you'll get nowhere. Read her BIO and make solid conversation with her. Show genuine interest in what she is studying or whatever. If she doesn't have much in her BIO, be creative.

You don't need to say much about yourself in that first message because you've written a solid gold profile already (see Guide 5). Instead show some personality in your message so she'll want to get to know more of you. Guys, this is a competition. You aren't the only one sending her a message, so step up your game. If you must compliment her looks do it very casually like you are used to dating hot women. Say something like "You seem very intelligent, attractive and genuine which is what I'm interested in" instead of "I think you are hot". Act like you've been in the end zone before.

A Baby will want to know your name and see a face pic. Here is where you need to assess your level of paranoia. If she's legit, that's a perfectly normal thing for a woman to want to know. If it's early on, I'd be clear and say "I'd like to withhold that for the time being until we're a little more comfortable with each other. I've been burned before and don't want to make that mistake again. ". That last line might be complete BS, but it's better than admitting you're a cheating asshole and a coward and don't want to show your hand before she shows her. Never be combative or make demands. That's no way to treat a baby.

I said this before: these sugar sites are primed for people to try to blackmail married men. It's like posting on social media you're going on vacation and your house and valuables will be left unguarded. It could be man on the other end of that profile for all you know, so you'll want to try to decipher if she's legit pretty quickly without making accusations and scaring her off. The key is don't give any personal information about yourself until you can setup a video chat or maybe a phone call (see Guide 7). Or tell her you've been Catfished before so you'd like to either meet up in public or exchange pictures where you both do a pose. It's a red flag if she resists or makes lame excuses why she can't send you a confirmation pic. Don't give anything more than your first name.

If you think you're getting a PPM type of girl I wouldn't even use your real first name.

PrivateParts
12-13-20, 23:57
Once you find a baby you'll be communicating with her directly, not via the messaging site. You do that so you can talk openly about arrangements without violating the propositioning rules of the site, but also allows you to continue talking after your subscription runs out. Plus don't give her any reason to continue to login to that site while you are trying to close the deal. You don't want her seeing the other guys messaging her.

If it's not a PPM girl, she'll likely want to believe you are exclusive with her or at least wanting to know about your other relationships are minimal. Don't say you have experience with escorts and their typical rates or anything that may turn her off. If you're still planning on being on the site looking for new babies while carrying with her then use the 2 profile system (Guide 2-3) to hide your activity from her. It's also a good way to use your "backup" profile to see if your baby continues to be active after she's started seeing you. It's useful both ways. Maybe she's not so innocent like she claims.

A lot of guys wonder if Dinner Dates & Vacations are essential to become a Sugar Daddy? The answer is no, but it depends on the type of Baby and what you are willing to do. As stated before, most non-professionals will want to get to know you before they agreed to any private meets. So expect at least 1 public meeting first. If a Baby seems immediately willing to meet in private she could be overly nave or likely a PPM girl. If she's been on the site for a long time then she probably knows what she's doing.

Should you admit you are married? My best advice is to come clean with the baby and explain what you are looking for outside of your marriage and why. Make her understand, and if she's got interest in you, she'll make arrangements that don't require public dating. You'll need to show her attention and affection by some other means through texting and gifts, but it doesn't necessarily require dates. Unless you live apart from your current spouse you won't be able to hide this fact, so just admit it.

If your objective is to only have PPM women they won't need as much attention, certainly not dinner dates. In that case there is no need to admit you are married. If she questions your availability just send you have a relationship just to remove that target from your back.

Once you start talking with a Baby you may need to act quickly and strike while the iron is hot. But don't push it if she's not ready. Make sure you are prepared with a stash of cash and have a plan on how & where you'd like to meet. Be sensitive to her and never try to get her to meet somewhere she's not comfortable. Think of good public places you can meet that is safe for her and you won't run into people you know. Have a plan where you'd go when it's time for intimacy.

The younger Babies may have unreal expectations because that's what the site promotes for them. You might have to recalibrate them. My experience and success with college girls is mainly from the Craigslist personal days. The wannabe Babies usually asked for money, but I found a lot really just needed was a mature friend as a mentor. Both professionally and sexually. It usually starts out that they have a money crisis or are drawn to the idea of being given handouts just for looking pretty. If you can provide good conversation, show interest in them, help them in some way (money, school, applying for financial aid, etc) or maybe give her sex tips so she can "improve her boyfriend's performance", you'll establish a real personal connection. She'll appreciate you. Do that and you'll collect panties. Success was achieved through that personal connection, not the money, and that is what made the sex better.

Voice Calls. You are more likely going to need to be able to call a Baby more than you ever did for escorts. That might be a reason to get a hobby phone. Personally I find texting apps adequate but not without their quirks. TextFree allows you to accrue voice minutes for free by just playing a lot 20-30 second ads from within the app. It's mindless and I can bankroll 10-20 minutes while watching a football game. Whatever your solution, having the ability to voice call is critical for initial verification with your Baby and those moments when you're trying to meetup up someplace, etc. Most women are ok with texting, but sometimes a Baby just wants to hear your voice. Be prepared.

MichiganMan686
12-14-20, 06:09
Once you find a baby you'll be communicating with her directly, not via the messaging site. You do that so you can talk openly about arrangements without violating the propositioning rules of the site, but also allows you to continue talking after your subscription runs out. Plus don't give her any reason to continue to login to that site while you are trying to close the deal. You don't want her seeing the other guys messaging her.

If it's not a PPM girl, she'll likely want to believe you are exclusive with her or at least wanting to know about your other relationships are minimal. Don't say you have experience with escorts and their typical rates or anything that may turn her off. If you're still planning on being on the site looking for new babies while carrying with her then use the 2 profile system (Guide 2-3) to hide your activity from her. It's also a good way to use your "backup" profile to see if your baby continues to be active after she's started seeing you. It's useful both ways. Maybe she's not so innocent like she claims.

A lot of guys wonder if Dinner Dates & Vacations are essential to become a Sugar Daddy? The answer is no, but it depends on the type of Baby and what you are willing to do. As stated before, most non-professionals will want to get to know you before they agreed to any private meets. So expect at least 1 public meeting first. If a Baby seems immediately willing to meet in private she could be overly nave or likely a PPM girl. If she's been on the site for a long time then she probably knows what she's doing.

Should you admit you are married? My best advice is to come clean with the baby and explain what you are looking for outside of your marriage and why. Make her understand, and if she's got interest in you, she'll make arrangements that don't require public dating. You'll need to show her attention and affection by some other means through texting and gifts, but it doesn't necessarily require dates. Unless you live apart from your current spouse you won't be able to hide this fact, so just admit it.

If your objective is to only have PPM women they won't need as much attention, certainly not dinner dates. In that case there is no need to admit you are married. If she questions your availability just send you have a relationship just to remove that target from your back.

Once you start talking with a Baby you may need to act quickly and strike while the iron is hot. But don't push it if she's not ready. Make sure you are prepared with a stash of cash and have a plan on how & where you'd like to meet. Be sensitive to her and never try to get her to meet somewhere she's not comfortable. Think of good public places you can meet that is safe for her and you won't run into people you know. Have a plan where you'd go when it's time for intimacy.

The younger Babies may have unreal expectations because that's what the site promotes for them. You might have to recalibrate them. My experience and success with college girls is mainly from the Craigslist personal days. The wannabe Babies usually asked for money, but I found a lot really just needed was a mature friend as a mentor. Both professionally and sexually. It usually starts out that they have a money crisis or are drawn to the idea of being given handouts just for looking pretty. If you can provide good conversation, show interest in them, help them in some way (money, school, applying for financial aid, etc) or maybe give her sex tips so she can "improve her boyfriend's performance", you'll establish a real personal connection. She'll appreciate you. Do that and you'll collect panties. Success was achieved through that personal connection, not the money, and that is what made the sex better.

Voice Calls. You are more likely going to need to be able to call a Baby more than you ever did for escorts. That might be a reason to get a hobby phone. Personally I find texting apps adequate but not without their quirks. TextFree allows you to accrue voice minutes for free by just playing a lot 20-30 second ads from within the app. It's mindless and I can bankroll 10-20 minutes while watching a football game. Whatever your solution, having the ability to voice call is critical for initial verification with your Baby and those moments when you're trying to meetup up someplace, etc. Most women are ok with texting, but sometimes a Baby just wants to hear your voice. Be prepared.TY for taking the time to post this. Good stuff. Mm686.

Charlie441
12-14-20, 23:32
Wow, I started this topic so I guess I should own it. Sorry for the uproar. Yes I probably over analyze things, but no I don't need my head examined. I'm on my 2nd successful non-paying relationship with a young woman from SA. She happens to be hot as hell, half my age and loves sex. I'm sorry if anyone finds that hard to believe, but other men have posted similar experiences to mine. Just RTFF. The fact is not all baby profiles are escorts. You'll find open relationships, swingers, and women who use it like a free dating site too. If that's hard to fathom, stick to STG.

I won't discourage anyone from posting a review of an escort. We have a place for that in the Escort Reports. The point of this particular thread is to provide guidance on how to be successful at finding Sugar Babies around Grand Rapids. My advice for anyone seeking it is simple: don't treat them as escorts.I agree, but I want to clarify my POV -- and I'm not trying to over-analyze. Some treat it like Adult Friend Finder, and you can pick up some hints in their profile that they may be as such. That said, one shouldn't *expect* that of course. A majority are pay-to-play or some variation of that (like x $ per month, to meet 2-4 times a month; better bang for the buck to become an insta-regular), usually with a GFE, as if it is "dating" when it's not really so.

In your scenario, when she's Hot + half your age on top of it, one Really shouldn't expect that. From my experience, most girls & women think it's "set" the way They roll, so ya don't want be WTF about it -- but you want to get prepared for them to be mildly WTF from time to time due to what they think "all" women are doing.

But in essence, assuming said gal isn't potentially drugged out or anything -- if one wouldn't have a chance at her in the dating scene, one shouldn't expect her to roll with ya like it's Adult Friend Finder, although she may roll that way with another guy. Butt, of course, one can luck out once in a great while. But again, one shouldn't Expect it to be a sex-crazed Tinder. It's mostly pay-to-play one way or another, while a minority of them treat it like Adult Friend Finder but with guys who make good $$.

SmithJon
12-15-20, 11:29
Although I'm a long time fan of SA, my recent experience was really bad. I re-signed up for SA in the beginning of December and tt was fun initially. I thought I'd made some good connections but they all turned out to be flakes or semi-pro's with ridiculous expectations. Then I got banned, I think for sending a girl a PM that had some really moderate language in it. This time of year is probably bad for it anyway with the holidays, but if you do decide to sign up, be careful of what you put in you messages as SA seems to be tightening its allowable language. And they don't give you any warnings.

MichiganMan686
01-15-21, 07:26
Tons of sugar babies in GR right now. Been texting them and its crazy how many young girls are down for ppm play. I'm just killin it right now. MM686.

Gexem
01-20-21, 15:33
Tons of sugar babies in GR right now. Been texting them and its crazy how many young girls are down for ppm play. I'm just killin it right now. MM686.Nice to hear things have picked up. I had a pretty weak few weeks back in Oct / Nov before finally finding some good ones right around Thanksgiving, and been off the site since then. Starting to think about re-uping sometime soon. What price range are you generally getting for those PPMs? (Feel free to PM me if you don't want to go public with that.).

WanToBe
01-20-21, 16:17
Nice to hear things have picked up. I had a pretty weak few weeks back in Oct / Nov before finally finding some good ones right around Thanksgiving, and been off the site since then. Starting to think about re-uping sometime soon. What price range are you generally getting for those PPMs? (Feel free to PM me if you don't want to go public with that.).What is a site address.

Clark5780
01-22-21, 14:09
So, I screwed up and got banned. Are there any legitimate work arounds, such as using VPN, or am I simply out of luck?.

SmithJon
01-22-21, 14:16
So, I screwed up and got banned. Are there any legitimate work arounds, such as using VPN, or am I simply out of luck?.I'd send them an email asking to be reinstated and promising to behave, it's worked for me before. Other than that you'll need a new email address and a different payment card number.

Round
01-22-21, 16:52
So, I screwed up and got banned. Are there any legitimate work arounds, such as using VPN, or am I simply out of luck?.Wait a couple of weeks. Use all new photos. Different Email. Pay with a different card.

I have been banned 3 times. Always got back on. If it doesn't work. Repeat the same process again.

Clark5780
01-22-21, 17:13
Wait a couple of weeks. Use all new photos. Different Email. Pay with a different card.


I have been banned 3 times. Always got back on. If it doesn't work. Repeat the same process again.Thank you!

Anonwmlatam
02-10-21, 21:51
The getting is good! I saw someone else post that SA was slow, and it definitely was slow and dried up, and I was right about to give up when bam! Feels like a flash flood, got enough to keep me busy. Get out there! Happy fishing!

Anonwmlatam
02-11-21, 14:46
I'll keep this short and sweet, ATS little Yogi was a time waster for me. DM if you can convince me otherwise.

Keither43
02-14-21, 11:16
Has anyone here ever actually met up with her? My only contact with her is through snapchat and I feel it looks TGTBT. But would love to hear reports otherwise.

Anonwmlatam
02-18-21, 10:54
Anyone had any luck with any of the following SB's on SA, just wondering if they're real.

Thisdevilwearsprada.

Laurenmariex.

Blue202 eyes.

Kaibabe88.

Irish wonderland.

Katesbakery.

Classyinheels.

Just wondering, haven't dabbled or haven't gotten back any responses so wondering what everyone else's interactions may have been. DM if you can. Happy fishing!

EngrGuy
02-20-21, 11:04
This one is on STG also but have never heard anything good or other wise about her https://www.seeking.com/member/3039889e-d9e8-46dc-8b8e-1c843b9c4379 Saige6249.

Also if someone has Scorcey contact data I would appreciate it. She is also on SA.

ChastD1959
02-20-21, 11:12
This one is on STG also but have never heard anything good or other wise about her https://www.seeking.com/member/3039889e-d9e8-46dc-8b8e-1c843b9c4379 Saige6249.

Also if someone has Scorcey contact data I would appreciate it. She is also on SA.Search the forum for Saige. Plenty of info.

MyWagoneer
02-21-21, 11:33
I'll keep this short and sweet, ATS little Yogi was a time waster for me. DM if you can convince me otherwise.100% She's all talk.

Mike Yepthatsm
02-25-21, 15:55
https://www.seeking.com/member/2957e468-6578-4ce5-ab64-01f0f4ecdbcc??locale=

She used to escort and posted on back page back in the day. I saw her once years ago. Thought she was hot and had a good body but she admitted she really isn't into men and it showed. She’s a lesbian married to a very butch woman ( at least that’s what she put on Facebook).

D Foto
02-26-21, 12:57
Stood me up twice, I don't understand the game she's playing. Not a scammer, maybe just a tire kicker?


100% She's all talk.

StevesMilin
02-26-21, 16:21
https://www.seeking.com/member/2957e468-6578-4ce5-ab64-01f0f4ecdbcc??locale=

She used to escort and posted on back page back in the day. I saw her once years ago. Thought she was hot and had a good body but she admitted she really isn't into men and it showed. Shes a lesbian married to a very butch woman ( at least thats what she put on Facebook).The link seems to be dead. Profile is down. I think I just met her. A bit thick. Def lesbian, her gf names tatooed on her. Not a great encounter. OK BBBJ. Twin bed stacked with 3 mattresses no frame. Finally got inside her doggy. Nice clean and tight pussy. No dining at the why, which I really enjoy. 150 hh /200 h. Escort posing as SB.

WaltK
03-11-21, 17:28
I was recently banned from SA and see that some of you have been as well. In my case I never talked sex and money. Rather, a broad I contacted messaged me stating that she would suck my dick for 200 if I would pick her up. My response was that there was no way I'd spend 2 bills on a car date. Period, end of story. An hour later my account was banned a few days after paying them. No warning, no time out. So my question is whether any of you have written to their customer service team to see if they would lift the ban. Getting charged $100 dollars for three days on the site is irritating but what pisses me off more is that I had a good profile that was working. I have no desire to start over, especially if they are that quick to ban.

ChrisHansen92
03-11-21, 18:29
SA uses A. I. to screen profiles and messages looking for key words. Girls don't have to worry about it because if they get banned they can be up and running again with a new free profile in a few hours. We need to worry about it because we can lose our hard earned money. The best thing to do when you get a message like that is nothing. Don't respond or don't respond and block them. They are looking for key words like PPM or dollar amounts etc. I have been banned 3 times thru no fault of my own (yea I opened a service ticket and all that). At best you might get reinstated or a partial refund. Things I have learned over the years on there as they started cracking down more: Keep it basic on the site and get them off the site as quickly as possible to text (never message your number on there so they can screen shot it to report you, get their number). Never use key words like PPM or anything sexual. Avoid talking about any dollar amount for anything. Never get caught up messaging these girls back to say things like you said in return to her. It just gives them a reason to report you for anything. Just move on to the next one. Many will say I am wrong about this one. But I never report any girl on there. Even if you block them your message history is still visible for them to screen shot it and report you. I just block them and move on. Every time you report your profile name comes up in que, and you start to become the "tall nail" plus any girl that might be reporting you. Even if you get her banned she will be back in a day with a new profile. So what have you really accomplished? Besides bring more attention to your profile? Be the ghost in the landscape on that site and never bring attention to yourself or give a girl a reason to bring attention to you. I gave up and said I'll never be back (haha you will like me because it's the best game in town) so check this site for info on how to create a new profile and bypass the firewalls they have set up for you when you try. There is a wealth of information on here.


I was recently banned from SA and see that some of you have been as well. In my case I never talked sex and money. Rather, a broad I contacted messaged me stating that she would suck my dick for 200 if I would pick her up. My response was that there was no way I'd spend 2 bills on a car date. Period, end of story. An hour later my account was banned a few days after paying them. No warning, no time out. So my question is whether any of you have written to their customer service team to see if they would lift the ban. Getting charged $100 dollars for three days on the site is irritating but what pisses me off more is that I had a good profile that was working. I have no desire to start over, especially if they are that quick to ban.

Anonwmlatam
04-23-21, 22:54
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Anonwmlatam
04-26-21, 22:22
Oops still learning, well what I wanted to say was the getting is good on SA quite a few fish on hook, verified a few so far.

Yourdefinitefuturebb.

Collegegirl1223.

Loveliest343.

Latinaluv17.

Thoughts on any of these?

Anonwmlatam
06-14-21, 17:30
Hey fellas just thought I'd drop here that the following are real and will meet:

Katesbakery $.

Kaibabe88 $$.

ATS Little Yogi $$.