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Cheeks.
She hasn't been on for a minute but when she comes back hit her up. Really fun BBCIP was given. She's comfy in the sack and very talented. Submissive.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ff4b0a6f-c259-4e67-8f71-66f455b6882f
Still very dtf but now insisting on cover.So you started out BBCIP but now she's insisting on a cover? Did she catch an STI due to her high volume?
Mythbuster
03-30-23, 16:19
Cheeks.
She hasn't been on for a minute but when she comes back hit her up. Really fun BBCIP was given. She's comfy in the sack and very talented. Submissive.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ff4b0a6f-c259-4e67-8f71-66f455b6882f
Still very dtf but now insisting on cover.Is this account active?
So you started out BBCIP but now she's insisting on a cover? Did she catch an STI due to her high volume?I got her raw and nutted in her last summer. We vibed really well though. She may have stopped because of volume. Damn she was fun though.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a9e62c24-39bc-44d4-a22f-5654e946c314
Any intel with this girl? Either meeting or just chatting. I'm pretty sure she's real. She's almost always on, someone must know something. Either answer on here or in PM please.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e68113c7-2b28-4a3c-a60e-701dda3c372f
Anyone? I've chatted with her, she was in NJ but now her profile says Brookhaven. Never went through because of heavy pro vibe and some other stuff she says. She claims to have a very tight kitty (believable) and mentioned not pounding her. Felt like a setup for her to tap out early in the sesh because t hurts too much. She's changed her profile many times, I assume she has gotten dinged many times. If I get word that she's good I'll give her a go.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a9e62c24-39bc-44d4-a22f-5654e946c314
Any intel with this girl? Either meeting or just chatting. I'm pretty sure she's real. She's almost always on, someone must know something. Either answer on here or in PM please.No info but if she's always on she's likely a higher volume chick or just really picky.
She looks good. Best of luck.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e68113c7-2b28-4a3c-a60e-701dda3c372f
Anyone? I've chatted with her, she was in NJ but now her profile says Brookhaven. Never went through because of heavy pro vibe and some other stuff she says. She claims to have a very tight kitty (believable) and mentioned not pounding her. Felt like a setup for her to tap out early in the sesh because t hurts too much. She's changed her profile many times, I assume she has gotten dinged many times. If I get word that she's good I'll give her a go.She told me she was currently in Brookhaven. Never met her, but she's definitely high volume.
She had been working out of the Clementon, NJ area for the last few months. I first talked to her late last year, but never pulled the trigger because she was asking for 4 - 6. She would not budge under 4 unless we became a regular thing. I didn't not partake but she does look fun haha!
The 2 - 2. 5 regulars are out there. It just takes some time to find them!
She told me she was currently in Brookhaven. Never met her, but she's definitely high volume.https://members.seeking.com/member/e68113c7-2b28-4a3c-a60e-701dda3c372f
https://members.seeking.com/member/b0aa1ca5-4e20-4bbd-a03a-a8a677189080
Jennydoeyo.
Seems to be a game player. More than once she has asked for my number but never followed through. I'm hitting her with blatant "I'll spoil you" terms but she just plays games. Asked her if she has had any luck and she said no. Well baby, neither have we LOL. Has gotten anywhere with her, she's another that's on constantly.
Mythbuster
04-06-23, 10:26
She told me she was currently in Brookhaven. Never met her, but she's definitely high volume.I've come to a realize that the high volume tag that I've put on women is something I should have been expected based on their profile and interactions. The women on SA are just as varied as the men and looking for al different types of relationships.
Education / Age. Under 30 with only a high school education usually means that they need money.
Profiles that say things like no time wasters, makes it clear that time is money and that just how a pro thinks.
Talk of sex right away or giving out the number quickly is a pro move and she's looking to weed out quickly of get a quick meeting set up.
Multiple locations, Constantly online, changes accounts frequently. Pro.
That's just based on my experience with the under 30 ladies. The over 30 ladies are a little more complicated.
Unfortunately this one moves to the scammer category. I had been talking to her a while through text and everything was going pretty good. Then she went kind of squirrley and was looking for immediate funds before meeting to deal with a utility shut off. She said PECO turned her power off on a Sunday night LOL. We all know they don't cute power on a Sunday night!
Partake at you own risk!
https://members.seeking.com/member/b0aa1ca5-4e20-4bbd-a03a-a8a677189080
https://members.seeking.com/member/b0aa1ca5-4e20-4bbd-a03a-a8a677189080
Jennydoeyo.
Seems to be a game player. More than once she has asked for my number but never followed through. I'm hitting her with blatant "I'll spoil you" terms but she just plays games. Asked her if she has had any luck and she said no. Well baby, neither have we LOL. Has gotten anywhere with her, she's another that's on constantly.
https://members.seeking.com/member/d29dfe5e-e645-4347-b112-d5d4176de418
Caroline. Wants 300 to eat dinner or other activities. Open to more possibly. I explained to her what a rinser is.
https://members.seeking.com/member/353e504c-92fe-4a8f-a0a8-1a18622c2674
Leah. Texted with her for a bit. Eventually got her to tell me ppm expectations. Almost spit out my coffee. 500-2000 and if things get intimate it would be the higher end of this. Bye.
https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/c6a66994-2ce2-4704-bd15-5cd118db3475
Pro- when I want to see her text her with a pic and meet time to the number she provided. No thanks, no info on pricing. Sorry I don't still have the number.
Mythbuster
04-07-23, 19:34
https://members.seeking.com/member/d29dfe5e-e645-4347-b112-d5d4176de418
Caroline. Wants 300 to eat dinner or other activities. Open to more possibly. I explained to her what a rinser is.
https://members.seeking.com/member/353e504c-92fe-4a8f-a0a8-1a18622c2674
Leah. Texted with her for a bit. Eventually got her to tell me ppm expectations. Almost spit out my coffee. 500-2000 and if things get intimate it would be the higher end of this. Bye.
https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/c6a66994-2ce2-4704-bd15-5cd118db3475
Pro- when I want to see her text her with a pic and meet time to the number she provided. No thanks, no info on pricing. Sorry I don't still have the number.Caroline may not have been a rinser unless she said that dinner was 300 and anything else was more. I had one delusional girl (not old enough for me to call her a woman) give me a price of 3-5 for drinks and then some mysterious massage would cost 5-7 on top of that. Did I mention that I would either have to pick her up or uber her to the drink location. There are a lot of girls who read about the SB life on the internet and figure that they should be paid for every minute of her time. If she had experience as a SB she would have suggested a M&G and follow the appropriate formula. Sounds like she's just clueless about being a SB.
https://members.seeking.com/member/d29dfe5e-e645-4347-b112-d5d4176de418
Caroline. Wants 300 to eat dinner or other activities. Open to more possibly. I explained to her what a rinser is.
https://members.seeking.com/member/353e504c-92fe-4a8f-a0a8-1a18622c2674
Leah. Texted with her for a bit. Eventually got her to tell me ppm expectations. Almost spit out my coffee. 500-2000 and if things get intimate it would be the higher end of this. Bye.
https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/c6a66994-2ce2-4704-bd15-5cd118db3475
Pro- when I want to see her text her with a pic and meet time to the number she provided. No thanks, no info on pricing. Sorry I don't still have the number.https://members.seeking.com/member/7b53acf6-e016-4c99-b332-0f4a2330a507
Is this account active?She found this forum.
https://members.seeking.com/member/7f320183-82f6-49f0-8409-3947779e9a07
See her on all the time. Not in Philly yet but might be coming here in May. She's on so much I assume if she was a straight hustler she'd be banned by now. Any info?
How many of you guys are banging 18-24 year olds?
Gen z, pandemic, cam sites. Perfect storm of garbage if you ask me.
How many of you guys are banging 18-24 year olds?
Gen z, pandemic, cam sites. Perfect storm of garbage if you ask me.I was lucky enough to get with a sexy Gen-Zer today. Was a pretty good time and she was very cool.
Mythbuster
04-11-23, 23:39
https://members.seeking.com/member/4e69f8ef-b16c-4cd5-85a2-73fd60e87c8e
Bia Nonymous.
Anyone ever meet up with her? She was one of the 1st ladies I made contact with about two years ago when I came back to SA. I probably totally screwed things up and never made it to a M&G. In my defense, she was all over the place too in what she was looking for and never took the conversation in any real direction. Her current pictures are not all that enticing but I was just curious.
https://members.seeking.com/member/4e69f8ef-b16c-4cd5-85a2-73fd60e87c8e
Bia Nonymous.
Anyone ever meet up with her? She was one of the 1st ladies I made contact with about two years ago when I came back to SA. I probably totally screwed things up and never made it to a M&G. In my defense, she was all over the place too in what she was looking for and never took the conversation in any real direction. Her current pictures are not all that enticing but I was just curious.She has been reviewed. I talked with her a while back. I think she wants 5 x $. Pics she sends were older pics from former profiles. I also think she's in KOP area. I passed.
Anyone meet a girl named stephanie in south jersey, early 30's MILF in the gloucester area.
She stopped answering calls / texts.
Anyone know what happend to her?
Mythbuster
04-13-23, 08:26
She has been reviewed. I talked with her a while back. I think she wants 5 x $. Pics she sends were older pics from former profiles. I also think she's in KOP area. I passed.I must have missed those earlier reviews. There have been a lot of name changes. I think she sent me pictures from a KOP hotel a few years back. The body has definitely changed over time.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2ea2502c-6d89-4865-b60a-ae2b12be55fa
Any intel on her? The pics are smokin hot. I'd dig deep if she is real.
PiesOnlyPlz
04-14-23, 18:06
https://members.seeking.com/member/2ea2502c-6d89-4865-b60a-ae2b12be55fa
Any intel on her? The pics are smokin hot. I'd dig deep if she is real.Tried clicking the link but it says profile isn't available.
Tried clicking the link but it says profile isn't available.Wants a deposit. So naw.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ba93e26b-24c0-4350-8418-6e7592d33dff
I am thinking of reaching out. She pops up a lot and then I forget about her. Her unshaved pits aren't an issue for me. If anyone knows anything either reply here or DM me. Thanks in advance.
Member #6808
04-16-23, 13:19
I come from the Ohio page.
There was a girl that lived in Kent, OH that I met several times a few years ago. Fashion major at KSU, so mid 20's.
Wide open menu, loved anal, loved sex, insatiable. Very pale ginger. Scar on her belly from some surgery.
Moved to Philly about two years ago and I know was still working the scene.
First name Sarah, don't want to disclose last name. Her old number is gone.
If you know her, please PM me.
I come from the Ohio page.
There was a girl that lived in Kent, OH that I met several times a few years ago. Fashion major at KSU, so mid 20's.
Wide open menu, loved anal, loved sex, insatiable. Very pale ginger. Scar on her belly from some surgery.
Moved to Philly about two years ago and I know was still working the scene.
First name Sarah, don't want to disclose last name. Her old number is gone.
If you know her, please PM me.Search this thread or SA for Littleginger. I think it's the same person, goes by Maggie here. If so, I did not know she was the anal queen! There was a thread about her recently, might have the link to her SA page.
Member #6808
04-17-23, 09:48
Search this thread or SA for Littleginger. I think it's the same person, goes by Maggie here. If so, I did not know she was the anal queen! There was a thread about her recently, might have the link to her SA page.Could be wrong, as "littleginger" would be a fitting name for her, but doesn't sound like her. She wasn't high mileage at all. Well, here in Ohio she was high mileage in that she got AROUND, but you'd never know it from her body. She was just a normal 20's girl that loved sex and figured out she could be paid for it. I don't remember if she specifically promoted anal or not, but I think she was known for liking anal to the point you didn't even need to go near her vag.
Anyhow, I found her new number and have been chatting with her. She has a normal FT job in Philly and doesn't do this anymore, though she said she'd definitely see me if I came out.
Member #6808
04-17-23, 09:49
Search this thread or SA for Littleginger. I think it's the same person, goes by Maggie here. If so, I did not know she was the anal queen! There was a thread about her recently, might have the link to her SA page.
Littleginer- I think she was with Sloane for a little while. She was a pro. Gave a dude her number to bypass Sloane and the dude got all into her and became a stalker, according to her. She left the pros. She is high volume. Now back as a pro SB.Hell, although maybe. Because she did tell me she got out of it partially because "something bad happened" and her FT job.
I guess it could be!
Hell, although maybe. Because she did tell me she got out of it partially because "something bad happened" and her FT job.
I guess it could be!You might want to check the pic on SA. Fashion school, moved here a few years ago, scar etc. All match.
Member #6808
04-17-23, 17:44
You might want to check the pic on SA. Fashion school, moved here a few years ago, scar etc. All match.Don't have an account. Want to PM me a photo?
Mythbuster
04-17-23, 23:00
Don't have an account. Want to PM me a photo?https://members.seeking.com/member/61434d52-df53-4e19-98c8-0f9ecd8dd701?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D
Mythbuster
04-17-23, 23:05
What do people think about Secret Benefits? I have exclusively used SA since I just like to message as many prospects as I can in my allotted time. I admit that there are times when I'm not a member and wonder if it's worth signing up just to message one or two new interesting profiles on SA. I like the idea of credits that don't expire and the lowest price of entry basically allows you unlimited messaging with 10 targets if I'm understanding things correctly.
Member #6808
04-18-23, 09:35
https://members.seeking.com/member/61434d52-df53-4e19-98c8-0f9ecd8dd701?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3DYeah, that's 99% her. If you haven't seen her yet, she is an Excellent time.
Member #6808
04-18-23, 09:36
What do people think about Secret Benefits? I have exclusively used SA since I just like to message as many prospects as I can in my allotted time. I admit that there are times when I'm not a member and wonder if it's worth signing up just to message one or two new interesting profiles on SA. I like the idea of credits that don't expire and the lowest price of entry basically allows you unlimited messaging with 10 targets if I'm understanding things correctly.Never used SB and have heard there's a lot of fake profiles there. I have had just as much luck on SDM (sugardaddymeet) as SA, though.
What do people think about Secret Benefits? I have exclusively used SA since I just like to message as many prospects as I can in my allotted time. I admit that there are times when I'm not a member and wonder if it's worth signing up just to message one or two new interesting profiles on SA. I like the idea of credits that don't expire and the lowest price of entry basically allows you unlimited messaging with 10 targets if I'm understanding things correctly.Don't think much about SB. Yeah, they are credits that don't expire but think about it, all the site has for sale is credits. So what is to stop them from fake profiles, sending emails and other stuff to get you to spend your credits? While some have reportedly had good experiences, others have not.
Shoot several years ago they had a service on there where a girl would give advice. She gave half advice and always left things half answered so one would have to send another message and burn up credits.
I burned a lot of credits contacting girls who never replied. Never got those credits back. Lots of girls are tire kickers on these sites, so it is easy to spend credits on them and then 2-days later they are gone. What is the success rate on SA? 10% or less? So expect that to translate to SB and perhaps a bit worse.
So for my funds, I stick with SA, build a bench and work on through them after 30-days expires.
Yeah, that's 99% her. If you haven't seen her yet, she is an Excellent time.She's high volume but also very fun. Hit it raw and made a mess inside her. Nutted 2 x if I remember correctly.
https://members.seeking.com/member/9efa2a27-7a0c-4bb2-b870-bd06073c69af
Wants an initial dinner meet for 2 x $$. Just to dine together. No thank you. I told her what rinsing is and that I won't open myself to that.
https://members.seeking.com/member/03efc864-f391-451b-ace9-6054dab6491b
Platonic "at first" = Naw.
https://members.seeking.com/member/f09b7caa-fe87-4d3f-b29d-41b38e9d1fba
Looks like my kind of broken. But also wants money to just eat together.
What do people think about Secret Benefits? I have exclusively used SA since I just like to message as many prospects as I can in my allotted time. I admit that there are times when I'm not a member and wonder if it's worth signing up just to message one or two new interesting profiles on SA. I like the idea of credits that don't expire and the lowest price of entry basically allows you unlimited messaging with 10 targets if I'm understanding things correctly.I tried SB couple times the last 2 years. It was terrible. I would get many messages and then when I bought credits to reply back, they disappear. No response.
Even though there's a lot of scammers in seeking, you have a much higher probability of meeting someone real.
Don't waste your money on SB.
Mythbuster
04-18-23, 13:27
Don't think much about SB. Yeah, they are credits that don't expire but think about it, all the site has for sale is credits. So what is to stop them from fake profiles, sending emails and other stuff to get you to spend your credits? While some have reportedly had good experiences, others have not.
Shoot several years ago they had a service on there where a girl would give advice. She gave half advice and always left things half answered so one would have to send another message and burn up credits.
I burned a lot of credits contacting girls who never replied. Never got those credits back. Lots of girls are tire kickers on these sites, so it is easy to spend credits on them and then 2-days later they are gone. What is the success rate on SA? 10% or less? So expect that to translate to SB and perhaps a bit worse.
So for my funds, I stick with SA, build a bench and work on through them after 30-days expires.I guess there is also some sort of incentive for women to send messages too. My dummy account is getting over 20 messages a day. There's now way to weed through all that crap and find. Many of the profiles don't even list a height. I do like the videos. They give you a better idea of what the woman might look like in person.
Mythbuster
04-18-23, 13:29
Yeah, that's 99% her. If you haven't seen her yet, she is an Excellent time.I think now that we have quite a bit of info on this one floating around the board!
https://members.seeking.com/member/a4c8466c-bb9b-4e72-a287-1dd81066b392
Wants a "lower ppm" for a first platonic visit.
Mythbuster
04-18-23, 20:26
https://members.seeking.com/member/9efa2a27-7a0c-4bb2-b870-bd06073c69af
Wants an initial dinner meet for 2 x $$. Just to dine together. No thank you. I told her what rinsing is and that I won't open myself to that.
https://members.seeking.com/member/03efc864-f391-451b-ace9-6054dab6491b
Platonic "at first" = Naw.
https://members.seeking.com/member/f09b7caa-fe87-4d3f-b29d-41b38e9d1fba
Looks like my kind of broken. But also wants money to just eat together.I usually try to reset those expectations depending on what I'm looking for.
If you're really looking for a SB relationship, then the smart SBs won't be pushing for $ for a meet and greet. The idea being that this is an interview for something that might end up benefiting them longer than one 'date'. If this is what I'm looking for, I'm only doing M & G that escalate to more on the rare occasion. This gives me the chance to see how she compares to her picture and if we click. I buy the food or drinks and she shows up. If she needs an Uber, it's probably not going to work.
If I'm just looking for some hot chick to bang, she doesn't need to eat first!
Many women trying to be Sugar Babies are getting brain washed by the SB only boards. This is were the professional SBs talk about treating this lifestyle like a job. Some claim to make enough to support themselves. That's just a level that most SBs will never get to but will aspire to. They are told to expect payment for any time spent or a least a token gift. These things do happen in certain markets for certain women but not all SBs.
I usually try to reset those expectations depending on what I'm looking for.
If you're really looking for a SB relationship, then the smart SBs won't be pushing for $ for a meet and greet. The idea being that this is an interview for something that might end up benefiting them longer than one 'date'. If this is what I'm looking for, I'm only doing M & G that escalate to more on the rare occasion. This gives me the chance to see how she compares to her picture and if we click. I buy the food or drinks and she shows up. If she needs an Uber, it's probably not going to work.
If I'm just looking for some hot chick to bang, she doesn't need to eat first!
Many women trying to be Sugar Babies are getting brain washed by the SB only boards. This is were the professional SBs talk about treating this lifestyle like a job. Some claim to make enough to support themselves. That's just a level that most SBs will never get to but will aspire to. They are told to expect payment for any time spent or a least a token gift. These things do happen in certain markets for certain women but not all SBs.Basically these days I'm looking for less professional and more actual sugar babies. I really enjoy the meet and greet feel out and seduction. Feeling them getting forked up to fuck is really enticing. And when I ask if they want to go back to my place and they say yes, seeing how turned on they are by it is addictive LOL. That's just me though. I get the just bang a bad girl approach.
Also- how many posts do I have to leave to get to senior member? Not complaining, just wondering.
Also- how many posts do I have to leave to get to senior member? Not complaining, just wondering.It's now only a matter of time Epic.
Regular Members are automatically upgraded to Senior Member when they have been a Forum Member for 6 months AND have posted 25 or more reports.
It's now only a matter of time Epic.
Regular Members are automatically upgraded to Senior Member when they have been a Forum Member for 6 months AND have posted 25 or more reports.Thank you for the info.
This lady wants to sell pics and videos before she meets. Next.
"Readily available to meet up. If you're interested I'd to start by sharing some sexy pics or videos of me, just for a small amount before making arrangements. ".
https://members.seeking.com/member/b66864b8-81f2-44ca-90b2-01ddfc24d801
Mythbuster
04-19-23, 23:19
Basically these days I'm looking for less professional and more actual sugar babies. I really enjoy the meet and greet feel out and seduction. Feeling them getting forked up to fuck is really enticing. And when I ask if they want to go back to my place and they say yes, seeing how turned on they are by it is addictive LOL. That's just me though. I get the just bang a bad girl approach.
Also- how many posts do I have to leave to get to senior member? Not complaining, just wondering.Different Strokes for different folks! I agree that finding a non pro is quite the turn on! I'm just excited when they're not repulsed by my old A $$!
Mythbuster
04-20-23, 09:11
This lady wants to sell pics and videos before she meets. Next.
"Readily available to meet up. If you're interested I'd to start by sharing some sexy pics or videos of me, just for a small amount before making arrangements. ".
https://members.seeking.com/member/b66864b8-81f2-44ca-90b2-01ddfc24d801I guess she didn't get any takers and moved on to find other victims!
This lovely lady is not interested in meeting married men. Why not put that in your profile? Or does it only apply to guys who she thinks aren't attractive?
https://members.seeking.com/member/9de98ddd-93f7-45d0-bc5e-a886dfc88a19
She prefers to meet evenings and weekends due to her school and work schedules. Not a fit for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/820e83f7-1947-4860-acb4-dd2aeafecfee
Any gents have success with this lady? If she's real she'll be expensive.
https://members.seeking.com/member/dceb1c39-9be6-444e-a062-89fb5e6c8f6a
Mythbuster
04-20-23, 14:35
She prefers to meet evenings and weekends due to her school and work schedules. Not a fit for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/820e83f7-1947-4860-acb4-dd2aeafecfeeThis lady has a better method of screening out married men. Those hours only work for guys that can get away. It's true that some of these women don't want to meet up with married men. I've run into them. It seems like an odd balance that they want an unattached man but don't necessarily want a guy to be bothering them all the time. IMHO, If they're not 18-25 but available during the day I'd be a little leery.
Classyandsweet is also looking for a manganous relationship, I steer clear when I see that! This reads like it's her add on Match.com.
ReadyToTumble
04-21-23, 11:22
So has anyone had any success with SB? I am so fucking tempted to buys credits but I can't help but think it is a scam!
HenryT tells me it's bs but. My little head is telling me otherwise.
Any thoughts?
So has anyone had any success with SB? I am so fucking tempted to buys credits but I can't help but think it is a scam!
HenryT tells me it's bs but. My little head is telling me otherwise.
Any thoughts?I scour all the Sugar forums on here and pretty much all of them say Secret Benefits is a money hole. You buy credits that let you read and send messages. Then the site will send messages from bots and even real accounts (but the girls have no idea). You read the message and use credits, you answer and spend credits. There a low low success rate the way I understand it.
So has anyone had any success with SB? I am so fucking tempted to buys credits but I can't help but think it is a scam!
HenryT tells me it's bs but. My little head is telling me otherwise.
Any thoughts?I had success on SB last year. Met and fucked 4. One is her 40's, 2 in their 20's, and had a couple months with a 34 why / o. Yes there are scams too. I got scammed by one on there.
Live and learn.
Mythbuster
04-21-23, 13:38
So has anyone had any success with SB? I am so fucking tempted to buys credits but I can't help but think it is a scam!
HenryT tells me it's bs but. My little head is telling me otherwise.
Any thoughts?It sounds like others have had success but it probably depends on your goals. If you want a new play partner every month then something like that may be most cost effective, especially if you like to chase the new faces. If you're good finding a 1-5 reliable options that will last you a year or more, you can do that in 1-2 month on SA and then be done with it.
I find that it I a decent cross reference for SA. You'll see many of the same women on both sites. You may also see additional photos and even video on SB all for free. But like has been mentioned below, think of how many no responses or faded conversations that you've had on SA. Those will all cost you on SB.
PhillYogynist
04-22-23, 08:59
Spoke with this one. Receptionist by day, "exotic" dancer by night (her words). Actually very well spoken and has high expectations as you would expect, 5 $ per meet. Scheduled a dinner M&G at her recommended restaurant and then brought up needing to be paid for the tariff for her time. Shane, I expect she'll still be on the site 6 weeks from now still looking.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5e81b421-111f-47a9-9dbc-b129ce16e19f
PhillYogynist
04-22-23, 09:07
This one looked promising until she sent more pictures. Not my type. Wants 3 $ PPM and can host mornings and before 5:00 in Brewerytown area. Fun and engaging in chat, just not for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/090624c7-9295-45e5-8e32-1f551849f771
Mythbuster
04-22-23, 22:46
Spoke with this one. Receptionist by day, "exotic" dancer by night (her words). Actually very well spoken and has high expectations as you would expect, 5 $ per meet. Scheduled a dinner M&G at her recommended restaurant and then brought up needing to be paid for the tariff for her time. Shane, I expect she'll still be on the site 6 weeks from now still looking.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5e81b421-111f-47a9-9dbc-b129ce16e19fIt's a shame some of these ladies don't know how to take a little risk. If she's already telling you where to take her for dinner for a meet and greet, she should just get the free meal and figure things out form there. I think you find with a lot of dancers that they think any time spent is worth money! I think you might find more success with the college crowd or recent grads!
PhillYogynist
04-23-23, 12:01
It's a shame some of these ladies don't know how to take a little risk. If she's already telling you where to take her for dinner for a meet and greet, she should just get the free meal and figure things out form there. I think you find with a lot of dancers that they think any time spent is worth money! I think you might find more success with the college crowd or recent grads!Could be right. We had developed a nice rapport via text, common interests, flowed easily, and she was remarkably well spoken vs the stereotypical stripper so I was surprised. I already have an Ivy med school student and an Asian nurse in my rotation so I'm not crying any tears over one that gets away. Just sharing the info.
So has anyone had any success with SB? I am so fucking tempted to buys credits but I can't help but think it is a scam!
HenryT tells me it's bs but. My little head is telling me otherwise.
Any thoughts?
I am temporarily banned from SA. I have to create an entirely new identity to get back on. Meanwhile, I have been playing with the three other sites to see how they perform. There is a petty long learning curve on SB. You have to take your time and spend your credits very, very carefully. If you are cautious and only spend credits for messaging, it can be cheaper than SA. However, the yield is much, much lower. And even with experience and wariness, there are still more than a few NPC/bots, that will waste your money. These are profiles that meet all the normal selection criteria but only give you one message or answer then ghost. In my experience, I can get 2-3 MnG's per month. Of those only about one in four is going to be ready for the FC and the quality will be equally lower. (Meaning I decline.) On SA, I could do 2-4 MnG's per week and find 1-2 new SB's per month. Others report higher results on SA but they are also seeing the pros, semi-pros, serial SB's and non-HWP girls which do not interest me.
My rules for finding real people on SB are: 1) Can I find PII? 2) Do they have more than a few pictures? 3) Does their About Me have more than 3-4 items? 4) Finally, have they bothered to look at my profile? The latter item is the most decisive one. Of course, none of these criteria work if you do not already have credits. If you do not have credits, the site will bombard you with messages, profile views, favorites and everything else they can think of. They will use real profiles to do this without the profile owners having a clue. All this is to get you thinking with the little head. As soon as you buy some credits, they turn off the program and girls you message will have no idea what you are talking about or will be the NPC's.
I hope this helps!
BAM.
Mythbuster
04-23-23, 21:50
Could be right. We had developed a nice rapport via text, common interests, flowed easily, and she was remarkably well spoken vs the stereotypical stripper so I was surprised. I already have an Ivy med school student and an Asian nurse in my rotation so I'm not crying any tears over one that gets away. Just sharing the info.Sounds like you already have a good crew going for you with some nice diversity! How often do you get to see them? Even without a wife I can't seem to manage more than one free day a week. (and at my age that seems to be the frequency that works best) She's definitely would have been a nice jewel to add.
I've talked to a few women of similar attractiveness. The 1st is seems like more of a traditional SB, but honestly never got much traction with her. The second seems more of a ppm specialist in area of SA favorite local college.
https://members.seeking.com/member/4987658e-30da-4db2-9279-a5ebd5232ff6
https://members.seeking.com/member/abdbe3e8-a420-45c5-afa6-e9686a5e57bb
Thank for popping in and providing some info!
Mythbuster
04-23-23, 22:14
I am temporarily banned from SA. I have to create an entirely new identity to get back on. Meanwhile, I have been playing with the three other sites to see how they perform. There is a petty long learning curve on SB. You have to take your time and spend your credits very, very carefully. If you are cautious and only spend credits for messaging, it can be cheaper than SA. However, the yield is much, much lower. And even with experience and wariness, there are still more than a few NPC/bots, that will waste your money. These are profiles that meet all the normal selection criteria but only give you one message or answer then ghost. In my experience, I can get 2-3 MnG's per month. Of those only about one in four is going to be ready for the FC and the quality will be equally lower. (Meaning I decline.) On SA, I could do 2-4 MnG's per week and find 1-2 new SB's per month. Others report higher results on SA but they are also seeing the pros, semi-pros, serial SB's and non-HWP girls which do not interest me.
My rules for finding real people on SB are: 1) Can I find PII? 2) Do they have more than a few pictures? 3) Does their About Me have more than 3-4 items? 4) Finally, have they bothered to look at my profile? The latter item is the most decisive one. Of course, none of these criteria work if you do not already have credits. If you do not have credits, the site will bombard you with messages, profile views, favorites and everything else they can think of. They will use real profiles to do this without the profile owners having a clue. All this is to get you thinking with the little head. As soon as you buy some credits, they turn off the program and girls you message will have no idea what you are talking about or will be the NPC's.
I hope this helps!
BAM.Thanks, your experience rings true with my fears. I do find on SA that I could fill all my free time with M&Gs and really find someone that I clicked with. One SB it sees like at the lowest price, I have a possibility of 10 M&Gs if everything goes right but more likely much fewer!
Burbs Monger
04-24-23, 16:32
I found SB to not be worth it in the long run, however I will note my LT SB was found on SB and we are on our 4th year. SA used to provide a lot of value for the money spent but that has declined significantly the past few years. SDM I tried for 6 months and was lousy. I am unsure of the 4th site referenced. All are really hit or miss now but the ROI has declined significantly in only a few years.
My hunting grounds are the burbs of Philly, 18-25, petite, and white or Latin. My preferences are specific and I know filters out a lot of options so your experience may be different than mine. I have not been on SA since last August with a paid subscription and honest Don't miss it. I have had decent success using the old ground game and having my sb act as a wing lady.
I hope SA improves but based on the postings doesn't appear likely and the talent on the site has definitely dropped IMHO.
Be Safe.
I am temporarily banned from SA. I have to create an entirely new identity to get back on. Meanwhile, I have been playing with the three other sites to see how they perform. There is a petty long learning curve on SB. You have to take your time and spend your credits very, very carefully. If you are cautious and only spend credits for messaging, it can be cheaper than SA. However, the yield is much, much lower. And even with experience and wariness, there are still more than a few NPC/bots, that will waste your money. These are profiles that meet all the normal selection criteria but only give you one message or answer then ghost. In my experience, I can get 2-3 MnG's per month. Of those only about one in four is going to be ready for the FC and the quality will be equally lower. (Meaning I decline.) On SA, I could do 2-4 MnG's per week and find 1-2 new SB's per month. Others report higher results on SA but they are also seeing the pros, semi-pros, serial SB's and non-HWP girls which do not interest me.
My rules for finding real people on SB are: 1) Can I find PII? 2) Do they have more than a few pictures? 3) Does their About Me have more than 3-4 items? 4) Finally, have they bothered to look at my profile? The latter item is the most decisive one. Of course, none of these criteria work if you do not already have credits. If you do not have credits, the site will bombard you with messages, profile views, favorites and everything else they can think of..
OverKill418
04-25-23, 07:30
This one is named Bri and she was trying to get me to send money for a sick dog and a book for her supposed college class. I know she's a liar and love when I tell theses scammers that I don't use cash apps, so let me call the vet and pay them with my credit card or send me the book title and I will get a bootleg copy sent as a pdf. I I know a guy that sells them cheap. Of course she had am excuse why I can't do that.
She was supposed to drive to my house and break my new bed in. Of course she's not in it. Shame because I would love to flood her uterus with my babies.
This one is named Bri and she was trying to get me to send money for a sick dog and a book for her supposed college class. I know she's a liar and love when I tell theses scammers that I don't use cash apps, so let me call the vet and pay them with my credit card or send me the book title and I will get a bootleg copy sent as a pdf. I I know a guy that sells them cheap. Of course she had am excuse why I can't do that.
She was supposed to drive to my house and break my new bed in. Of course she's not in it. Shame because I would love to flood her uterus with my babies.I had the same experience months ago with her but it was to get a babysitter for her son so she could come see me.
She's been pulling scans in SA for a long time.
Her pics are hot.
This one is named Bri and she was trying to get me to send money for a sick dog and a book for her supposed college class. I know she's a liar and love when I tell theses scammers that I don't use cash apps, so let me call the vet and pay them with my credit card or send me the book title and I will get a bootleg copy sent as a pdf. I I know a guy that sells them cheap. Of course she had am excuse why I can't do that.
She was supposed to drive to my house and break my new bed in. Of course she's not in it. Shame because I would love to flood her uterus with my babies.I think that could be the same Bri that a few of us have posted about who asked for babysitting money at the last minute. Maybe we just should avoid all Bris?
I'm supposed to have a meet and greet with this lady tomorrow. Any gent have info on her?
https://members.seeking.com/member/0f2a324c-74aa-448c-bfed-f7a78777c08f
I'm supposed to have a meet and greet with this lady tomorrow. Any gent have info on her?
https://members.seeking.com/member/0f2a324c-74aa-448c-bfed-f7a78777c08fI hope you already talked about expectations. Otherwise prepare for sticker shock.
Burbs Monger
04-25-23, 17:19
She looks good, curious what her financial assistance looks like. Good luck.
Be safe.
I'm supposed to have a meet and greet with this lady tomorrow. Any gent have info on her?
https://members.seeking.com/member/0f2a324c-74aa-448c-bfed-f7a78777c08f
Met this lady. She is a good person. Even though she says no kids on her profile. She does have one. She does look like her pics. However, I believe she's older than the listed age of 31. She's not unattractive at all. She does have a small C section scar and the belly of a mom. Still not too bad. The sex was average. I won't return. But some of you may really enjoy her. She's a bright lady.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a7aa7f5e-7d39-471d-a212-2b13cad9c9c3
I'm supposed to have a meet and greet with this lady tomorrow. Any gent have info on her?
https://members.seeking.com/member/0f2a324c-74aa-448c-bfed-f7a78777c08fIf she's real, I'll make the 2 day drive to Philly.
OverKill418
04-25-23, 18:10
If she's real, I'll make the 2 day drive to Philly.Real alright, real high level allowance.
UninhibitedFla
04-25-23, 18:46
Real alright, real high level allowance.I have never understood the attraction to androgynous looking women.
If she's real, I'll make the 2 day drive to Philly.I still have no idea if she is real. She ghosted. Maybe she had a paying customer so I got bumped. Who knows?
This one looked promising until she sent more pictures. Not my type. Wants 3 $ PPM and can host mornings and before 5:00 in Brewerytown area. Fun and engaging in chat, just not for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/090624c7-9295-45e5-8e32-1f551849f771Thanks for this. Same girl in all the pics but totally get why you wouldn't drop 3 on what she currently looks like. Wish there was an app or website that would project what a woman looks like based on non-full body pics.
PhillYogynist
04-27-23, 08:24
Thanks for this. Same girl in all the pics but totally get why you wouldn't drop 3 on what she currently looks like. Wish there was an app or website that would project what a woman looks like based on non-full body pics.I told her I felt like I had been catfished and she told me she was "shocked" that I would think so and they were just pictures without makeup, LOL.
Mythbuster
04-27-23, 12:32
Thanks for this. Same girl in all the pics but totally get why you wouldn't drop 3 on what she currently looks like. Wish there was an app or website that would project what a woman looks like based on non-full body pics.An App like that would make millions. Just image home many time guys have been fooled on regular dating sites. I have a few rules:
If she say's she's curvy believe her even if she doesn't look it in her pictures.
If she say's she's average, she not anywhere near thin, just believe her, don't let the little guy do the thinking!
A bunch of pictures of her face and one body picture, she's telling you her face is her best asset!
Anything in a picture taken at an angle is bigger than it appears!
ReadyToTumble
04-27-23, 12:50
https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/0029d4fc83ba54d8
PhillYogynist
04-29-23, 08:24
Talking with this one. Northeast Philly. Anyone seen her before? What kind of experience?
https://members.seeking.com/member/e12f206b-e378-424f-bce0-c8534c31ecf8
PhillYogynist
04-29-23, 17:58
Talking with this one. Northeast Philly. Anyone seen her before? What kind of experience?
https://members.seeking.com/member/e12f206b-e378-424f-bce0-c8534c31ecf8Never mind, not going to work for me logistically. Located in Holmesburg area. Agreed on a number of $ 4 but that's as far as I took it.
Yeah, that's 99% her. If you haven't seen her yet, she is an Excellent time.100% that's her. I remember that photo and always wanted to meet her when she was in Kent.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5f166ef9-48d6-490c-a8cc-9e30d2b33cd3
Met up and she's very nice but didn't follow through. PM for details. She might host.
Could anyone PM me Favorite Ginger's current digits? I used to have her number that ended with 2891 but it seems like it's since changed. Happy to reciprocate.
WvJoeMonger1
05-06-23, 22:12
Met this lady. She is a good person. Even though she says no kids on her profile. She does have one. She does look like her pics. However, I believe she's older than the listed age of 31. She's not unattractive at all. She does have a small C section scar and the belly of a mom. Still not too bad. The sex was average. I won't return. But some of you may really enjoy her. She's a bright lady.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a7aa7f5e-7d39-471d-a212-2b13cad9c9c3What was the damage?
https://members.seeking.com/member/fddbcb0c-8233-47a6-b748-c8d8d6df29fe
Saw her. Met for a date and then back to my place. She's very cool but does seem a bit hesitate to give head. Skipped right to the main event. Was hot but still would not repeat. 4 x $.
PhillYogynist
05-08-23, 13:39
So I am happy to swim in both ends of the pool. This one caught my eye as she looks in great shape and was honest about her age. Unfortunately, BSC. Never got past texting, but every response was multiple pages about some aspect of her past. On topic, but way TMI. Anyhow, she blocks me after I don't text her over the weekend when I was traveling.
https://members.seeking.com/member/0be9e1b2-2825-4c96-a184-2e41e93d6d73
Had a few variations of the same statement.
Burbs Monger
05-08-23, 15:07
I have referenced this in the past, they belong to FB and R_it groups and forums and the scripts are right there posted by some "very experienced and successful" SBs. These shamwow ladies have the highest level of GPS. There are so many cut and paste scripts these days, one of the reasons I have not had a paid membership in about a year. Hopefully things change, but I doubt it.
Be safe.
Had a few variations of the same statement.
I have referenced this in the past, they belong to FB and R_it groups and forums and the scripts are right there posted by some "very experienced and successful" SBs. These shamwow ladies have the highest level of GPS. There are so many cut and paste scripts these days, one of the reasons I have not had a paid membership in about a year. Hopefully things change, but I doubt it.
Be safe.There's so much scripting and coaching. We really can't be mad at them because more than a few on this thread coach us and insist we keep ppm down to what they can afford. I'm basically 3-4 x $ and I'd never pay 8 x $ to see a baby. But I honestly don't have too, I'm openly sexually dominant, tattooed, attractive and into the gym. I mention in my profile that I don't want drama and crisis. I also tell them that scammers that I'll spot them and can move along. This often keeps them away. Also, I'm single, so a practice that I insist upon is a phone call before meeting. I explain that it allows both of us to feel each other out etc. If they are GPS hustlers their script comes out pretty plainly. Also there's an arrogance that comes across in a phone conversation, and it helps me avoid time wasters. I never communicate through snap or whatsapp or any of that bullshit. That's all scammer and gps go tos. Good luck guys. I'm currently fucking 2 HOT 23 year olds BB, 1 of them doesn't even charge me anymore. Not to brag but I'm just patient and spit mad game then fuck their brains out when I meet them.
So I am happy to swim in both ends of the pool. This one caught my eye as she looks in great shape and was honest about her age. Unfortunately, BSC. Never got past texting, but every response was multiple pages about some aspect of her past. On topic, but way TMI. Anyhow, she blocks me after I don't text her over the weekend when I was traveling.
https://members.seeking.com/member/0be9e1b2-2825-4c96-a184-2e41e93d6d73By any chance, does her real name begin with an "L" ? If so, I think I might have dated her about 10-12 years ago for about a year. Can discuss via pm if you prefer.
Anyone have any experience with her? Met her awhile ago for a meet and greet that went great.
Unfortunately something came up for me and delayed me for awhile and I never heard back.
https://members.seeking.com/member/0e19f3cb-527e-4316-a0ef-d37913fbfeb5
Anyone have any experience with her? Met her awhile ago for a meet and greet that went great.
Unfortunately something came up for me and delayed me for awhile and I never heard back.
https://members.seeking.com/member/0e19f3cb-527e-4316-a0ef-d37913fbfeb5I remember seeing her on Insta, and then Tryst, a few years ago, advertising as a professional provider. I remember her being pretty expensive. Best of luck, she's sexy.
ReadyToTumble
05-10-23, 14:27
I remember seeing her on Insta, and then Tryst, a few years ago, advertising as a professional provider. I remember her being pretty expensive. Best of luck, she's sexy.That's strange because she has on her sa profile: *Please note that I am not interested in men who are attached.
Escorts would be out of business if they didn't fuck married guys.
That's strange because she has on her sa profile: *Please note that I am not interested in men who are attached.
Escorts would be out of business if they didn't fuck married guys.If she comes from the escort world she is likely a very good actress. The jaded part of my brain thinks she is focusing on single guys who have less financial commitments and will likely fall victim to her charms and acting skills. Hoping the dude falls in love with her. She will then be able to drain their wallets and 401 ks. LOL.
This lady wants 10 k a month. Bless her heart.
https://members.seeking.com/member/36c36f5d-62f6-4e7e-bf68-7e2935f023fa
I renewed seeking for the first time in a while on Wednesday.
I had to call in and give then a gift card number as entering it online was rejected.
Now after two days seeking is saying I need to send a picture of a drivers license or passport. Hells no.
Anyone else run into this?
Seems like stealing $100.
Rob.
After renewing Wednesday Seeking is now requiring a picture of a government issued I'd (drivers license or passport) via Aut0 tix. Hells no!!
Seems like yet another way to steal $100.
Rob.
I renewed my seeking membership on Wednesday. Today I couldn't login to my account and it was saying that:
Your Seeking account has been temporarily put on hold.
To encourage and maintain trust between users on Seeking, you will need to confirm your identity to have your account re-activated. If approved, your account will also receive the blue verified badge. On Seeking, the badge lets people know that your account is authentic.
Seeking has partnered with Au10tix.com to securely and privately process verification of identity. To receive the verified badge start the verification with Au10 tix where you will provide a photo of an official government issued identification document, such as your Driver's License or Passport to be verified.
No way I'm giving them a pic of my I'd.
Anyone else hit with this rip off?
Seems like they just stole $95 from me.
I haven't been able to log on for 3 weeks. Get to the sign in and a pop up says a verification code has been sent to my email. Go to my mail, check span and all, no email. Contact customer service and get a ticket number. Crickets. 6 emails to them and no reply.
So I've been trying to click on any of the links for ladies actually replying and none of them can be found. Is that just cause I'm not a premium member?
Also, how do you guys get ANY of these women to ever reply? All of them seem to make an account then ditch it after a few days or weeks. And none ever even reply to me? Seems like a bunch of dead websites.
I renewed my seeking membership on Wednesday. Today I couldn't login to my account and it was saying that:
Your Seeking account has been temporarily put on hold.
To encourage and maintain trust between users on Seeking, you will need to confirm your identity to have your account re-activated. If approved, your account will also receive the blue verified badge. On Seeking, the badge lets people know that your account is authentic.
Seeking has partnered with Au10tix.com to securely and privately process verification of identity. To receive the verified badge start the verification with Au10 tix where you will provide a photo of an official government issued identification document, such as your Driver's License or Passport to be verified.
No way I'm giving them a pic of my I'd.
Anyone else hit with this rip off?
Seems like they just stole $95 from me.This could be the beginning of the end for SA as most mongers should refuse to send some kind of I'd. If they get 90% of dudes refusing to send ID, an revenues drop, that policy might soon change.
Then again, perhaps some form of LE got to SA and thus the change?
But hey, as the old drug advice goes, JUST SAY NO!
Who is cool with sending their ID to SA?
Rubber Ducky Boston
05-13-23, 15:12
This could be the beginning of the end for SA as most mongers should refuse to send some kind of I'd. If they get 90% of dudes refusing to send ID, an revenues drop, that policy might soon change.
Then again, perhaps some form of LE got to SA and thus the change?
But hey, as the old drug advice goes, JUST SAY NO!
Who is cool with sending their ID to SA?It was already super hard to pay for membership without giving them all your billing info (which would be public if they got hacked). If they're requiring IDs then I'm giving up on them.
Honestly it might be LE, but it might also just be they're getting charged back like crazy, people saying their cards were stolen or something, in which case verifying I'd to match payment info would make that chargebacks essentially impossible.
What's the next best place to look for SBs?
It was already super hard to pay for membership without giving them all your billing info (which would be public if they got hacked). If they're requiring IDs then I'm giving up on them.
Honestly it might be LE, but it might also just be they're getting charged back like crazy, people saying their cards were stolen or something, in which case verifying I'd to match payment info would make that chargebacks essentially impossible.
What's the next best place to look for SBs?I usually do ppm but should I be going with an allowance? Just trying to see what the more experienced guys prefer and the pros and cons of each. I think ppm is better because you know you get something every time vs an allowance could turn into a money pit.
OverKill418
05-14-23, 15:01
https://members.seeking.com/member/436dbdbc-251a-4303-8dc9-b10f5b1c7675
This one is greedy and stuck up. Also hunting for gifts after first meet in addition to an allowance.
Pics are old and she's hot, but definitely a bit out of date.
I usually do ppm but should I be going with an allowance? Just trying to see what the more experienced guys prefer and the pros and cons of each. I think ppm is better because you know you get something every time vs an allowance could turn into a money pit.Always ppm at first, but mention you're open to moving to allowance if there's mutual interest to continue after a few dates. That way you don't scare off the ones that think "ppm is too transactional".
Any info?
https://members.seeking.com/member/237016dc-3a23-4831-8f6a-96f881a766ae
UninhibitedFla
05-16-23, 17:19
Always ppm at first, but mention you're open to moving to allowance if there's mutual interest to continue after a few dates. That way you don't scare off the ones that think "ppm is too transactional".I've only done PPM with success. Just curious about the arrangement type of arrangement. Can you learn me up on the details of what has worked for you?
This lady has a great figure, IMO. IF those pics are recent and actually her!! But the reality is, she lives near Reading and prefers to meet near there. I'm getting single mom vibes so I'm betting those pics are pre baby. Wants 4 $. Face is not attractive to me so I'm not going to travel.
https://members.seeking.com/member/de6b8369-3af8-40e2-89fd-7962cc46aef7
I've only done PPM with success. Just curious about the arrangement type of arrangement. Can you learn me up on the details of what has worked for you?There is no one size fits all approach. I found you have to feel your way through the situation with a girl. Requires good and honest communication.
Because most guys PROMISE an allowance to get in a girl's pants and then only see the girl one time, most girls will make sure they get funds upfront or each time. Makes sense, because sometimes a girl isn't a good fit and one moves on. But MOST guys treat girls like escorts an the girls pick up on that. IF you are able to do an allowance, talk about that during the M&G but say it comes as a reward after the 2nd or 3rd meeting.
I'd never do an allowance with a girl who doesn't have her own place where she could host, or doesn't have her own car as I'm not Ubering her around and paying for a motel, so she can show up later and perform badly.
If one isn't willing to be honest and discuss details (off SA site) then no magic phrase or approach will work.
UninhibitedFla
05-18-23, 17:12
There is no one size fits all approach. I found you have to feel your way through the situation with a girl. Requires good and honest communication.
Because most guys PROMISE an allowance to get in a girl's pants and then only see the girl one time, most girls will make sure they get funds upfront or each time. Makes sense, because sometimes a girl isn't a good fit and one moves on. But MOST guys treat girls like escorts an the girls pick up on that. IF you are able to do an allowance, talk about that during the M&G but say it comes as a reward after the 2nd or 3rd meeting.
I'd never do an allowance with a girl who doesn't have her own place where she could host, or doesn't have her own car as I'm not Ubering her around and paying for a motel, so she can show up later and perform badly.
If one isn't willing to be honest and discuss details (off SA site) then no magic phrase or approach will work.Thanks for the input Shampoo.
I have been doing PPM mostly because I like the excitement of variety without over extending my bank account on multiple allowances. I had one girl that held my attention long enough I thought about taking the plunge, but she moved. Your idea of meeting 2-3 times before doling out the allowance is helpful.
I always go to texting offsite if I feel it's a match. My account got locked one time for something. I forget what. I had to go through "remedial training" before my account was reinstated LOL. If a girl won't text then I drop communications and move on to the next. I don't do Uber either. I'm single so it's a lot easier meeting. I can host or go to her place. No need for hotels. If they're coming to my place I do a public meet for coffee or something just to verify they aren't some ghetto baby or wierdo. No need to hide business from a wife but I don't want my neighbors wondering WTF I'm doing with some trashy broads.
Mythbuster
05-19-23, 23:40
Thanks for the input Shampoo.
I have been doing PPM mostly because I like the excitement of variety without over extending my bank account on multiple allowances. I had one girl that held my attention long enough I thought about taking the plunge, but she moved. Your idea of meeting 2-3 times before doling out the allowance is helpful.
I always go to texting offsite if I feel it's a match. My account got locked one time for something. I forget what. I had to go through "remedial training" before my account was reinstated LOL. If a girl won't text then I drop communications and move on to the next. I don't do Uber either. I'm single so it's a lot easier meeting. I can host or go to her place. No need for hotels. If they're coming to my place I do a public meet for coffee or something just to verify they aren't some ghetto baby or wierdo. No need to hide business from a wife but I don't want my neighbors wondering WTF I'm doing with some trashy broads.I do ppm too with a little twist if the M & G go really well. In that case I might make an advance payment on a second meet. A lot of times this gives me a little more credibility with the potential SB. It's kind of like paying 1st and last month rent. I've done allowances in the past but I feel like I'm past that point in life. I'm at the point were I value my time alone and might choose that over meeting a sb. So feeling like I can cut it off at any time and only loose maybe one ppm is valuable to me. I would say that the advance payment only works well with a sb that has the intelligence to recognize the benefits. Some would think of it as an extra payment.
I can also host if needed but living outside of Philadelphia sometimes means the SBs have a little bit of a drive. I try to keep it to under 30 minutes for them. I can't stand to spend a night outside of my own bed though so even when I get a hotel, I'll never spend the night.
This lady wants 700/ week. She's moving to Dewey Beach Delaware soon. She's not a good fit for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/70470d0c-8b2e-b0b6-57ca-188ae8e9e59f
PhillYogynist
05-22-23, 14:58
Good news, she's the girl in the pictures. Very hot and well spoken. Wears manga style contacts that give the appearance of huge pupils if you're into that. Went BCD on the second date.
Bad news, she must be an UTR pro; made all the pro mistakes to cause a disappointing session. Counted the money in front of me, brought her own baby wipes, no DATY, jackhammer BBBJ and you could set a timer by how close to 60 minutes she was in and out.
https://members.seeking.com/member/27e0ebca-7481-44bf-bc9f-6c26a66eae66
Did anyone here meet a girl named tara from philly, taller blonde chick. Mid to late 20's. Big boobs. I think she was from one of the suburbs originally.
Is she still around?
She's located in the Valley Forge area. Isn't available on weekdays until after 400 pm. Not a good fit for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2aab2b07-6cba-4195-8464-5081a625b38b
So if that's what you're looking for. " blah blah blah. Another Philly 18-21 year old that wants some tool to give her money because she's. Um. Her I guess. I hope she finds her idiot and stops wasting our time.
https://members.seeking.com/member/f545fb71-1c0a-48e5-b868-219f9ffb14cf
HardAndLucky
05-25-23, 13:10
If anyone is on Secret Benefits I know a prospect for you. Good thing about this one is that if you are somewhat attractive, somewhat in shape and well hung I do not think its about the money with this one. I think its all about the sex. DM me if you are interested. FYI, I have her profile name but I won't give out her contact info. I have done that three times and each time the girls name went from a few contacts I messaged to being passed around the board.
Jgreene006
05-25-23, 13:35
If anyone is on Secret Benefits I know a prospect for you. Good thing about this one is that if you are somewhat attractive, somewhat in shape and well hung I do not think its about the money with this one. I think its all about the sex. DM me if you are interested. FYI, I have her profile name but I won't give out her contact info. I have done that three times and each time the girls name went from a few contacts I messaged to being passed around the board.Tried to PM you but your mailbox is full. I'm well hung and in decent shape. I met someone on SB I've been seeing on a somewhat monthly basis but its coming to an end and am looking for someone decent and real. Thought I would take you up on your offer to share and cut through all the bs on that site. I'm very discrete and would not in anyway compromise her or you as discretion for my own reasons is my middle name. Please PM me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a622b670-ce6e-40ba-bc84-d8cf22960644
Pitched me on videos for money. I requested a pic of her holding up a pinky as confirmation they are real. Of course the only pic they could find in whatever instagram they were stealing from was of the person holding up an index finger LOL.
https://members.seeking.com/member/511829a9-0e8e-426d-abcc-53db1de3a7d1
Wanted me to pick her up and go to a local hotel. I'm not interested in that. If anyone else is, she's pretty sexy. We did not get to financial expectations.
WillieZee914
05-26-23, 05:22
This is my SB, almost 3 years now, met on SA. Just graduated college last week, wants to see me a 2nd time this week to help her for a trip she is going on to celebrate her grad.
Just saying that there are opportunities out there, but it takes months and years to find them sometimes.
HardAndLucky
05-26-23, 07:01
Tried to PM you but your mailbox is full. I'm well hung and in decent shape. I met someone on SB I've been seeing on a somewhat monthly basis but its coming to an end and am looking for someone decent and real. Thought I would take you up on your offer to share and cut through all the bs on that site. I'm very discrete and would not in anyway compromise her or you as discretion for my own reasons is my middle name. Please PM me.Sorry, I cleared it now.
UninhibitedFla
05-26-23, 15:15
I had my Seeking account suspended one time and not sure if it was something I typed in a on-site message or if I was reported by someone who was disgruntled by our conversation. I have adopted a new procedure where if I come to a head with one of these girls that means I don't ever plan to meet them, I just pre-emptively block their account on Seeking. This seems to prevent them from doing a revenge report against you that could get you suspended. They can still text you if they have a change of heart, but they won't be able to disrupt your ability to meet new prospects on the site. Food for thought.
So if that's what you're looking for. " blah blah blah. Another Philly 18-21 year old that wants some tool to give her money because she's. Um. Her I guess. I hope she finds her idiot and stops wasting our time.
https://members.seeking.com/member/f545fb71-1c0a-48e5-b868-219f9ffb14cfHave you actually tried talking to her? Most times when they put "nothing sexual" it's just for plausible deniability. And it gives them an out so they can be more selective.
SeekingFun215
05-28-23, 09:53
How much was the damage? I was not sure if she was real so I asked her to talk to me on snap. She is cute but she was asking 500 $ per meet and I declined. She did sounded like a pro. She told me she moved from NYC.
Good news, she's the girl in the pictures. Very hot and well spoken. Wears manga style contacts that give the appearance of huge pupils if you're into that. Went BCD on the second date.
Bad news, she must be an UTR pro; made all the pro mistakes to cause a disappointing session. Counted the money in front of me, brought her own baby wipes, no DATY, jackhammer BBBJ and you could set a timer by how close to 60 minutes she was in and out.
https://members.seeking.com/member/27e0ebca-7481-44bf-bc9f-6c26a66eae66
SeekingFun215
05-28-23, 09:59
This is my SB, almost 3 years now, met on SA. Just graduated college last week, wants to see me a 2nd time this week to help her for a trip she is going on to celebrate her grad.
Just saying that there are opportunities out there, but it takes months and years to find them sometimes.I had good luck with temple student. One lasted 3 years and another one for one year. I also had multiple one or two dates encounters with temple student. Some of them are just not sure what they want so they change their mind or ask for something unreasonable. I have also met couple girls in real life working as waitresses or bartenders. You just have to be friendly and a good tipper to get the attention. Being a regular goes a long way.
Another group I had sucked with is health care aides or nurses.
Just be polite and respectful. Don't bring up sex right away. Just ask for a date with no expectations. Yes it's not cheap that way but there are more chances of finding a good one.
So finally got to meet this lady after a year of misses. Her pics on the site are a bit dated. She's not quite as thin now as her pics. Still cute, but not stunning. More GND cute now. She wrecked the mood of the meet and greet when we were driving in my car to the hotel and she mentions that her previous long term arrangement gent was giving her 8 $ ppm. She had agreed on half that. I asked her, "should I turn around and drop you back off at your car?" Nah. She said. Maybe you'll find me so enchanting you'll up my allowance. Uh. No hun. That is unlikely.
She was a good romp but I won't repeat. That show of greed killed it for me. This pic is her closest to her face now with the added weight.
https://members.seeking.com/member/45df3086-16a3-476c-85d1-7cea5e1a8777
UninhibitedFla
05-30-23, 17:04
So finally got to meet this lady after a year of misses. Her pics on the site are a bit dated. She's not quite as thin now as her pics. Still cute, but not stunning. More GND cute now. She wrecked the mood of the meet and greet when we were driving in my car to the hotel and she mentions that her previous long term arrangement gent was giving her 8 $ ppm. She had agreed on half that. I asked her, "should I turn around and drop you back off at your car?" Nah. She said. Maybe you'll find me so enchanting you'll up my allowance. Uh. No hun. That is unlikely.
She was a good romp but I won't repeat. That show of greed killed it for me. This pic is her closest to her face now with the added weight.
https://members.seeking.com/member/45df3086-16a3-476c-85d1-7cea5e1a8777Way to stick with your plan and think with the big head brother. Not sure about your situation, but I've found if you are are respectful and can hold a decent conversation, it's always better to meet in person and discuss the money there. Most of these SB's will back down from their high expectations when faced with the opportunity to make a little cash in the company of a decent man. I've tried discussing details via text and they tend to hold their ground from the distance vice talking in person. Thanks for the intel!
PhillYogynist
05-30-23, 19:25
How much was the damage? I was not sure if she was real so I asked her to talk to me on snap. She is cute but she was asking 500 $ per meet and I declined. She did sounded like a pro. She told me she moved from NYC.That was the number. We met in person for lunch prior to. Her initial ask was more.
This one looked promising until she sent more pictures. Not my type. Wants 3 $ PPM and can host mornings and before 5:00 in Brewerytown area. Fun and engaging in chat, just not for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/090624c7-9295-45e5-8e32-1f551849f771I saw her last year for a few dates. Like you say, she is engaging and fun and I thought the photos were cute enough (plus the convenience factor). She is a Temple student with a roommate, thus the limited times for hosting. For me the rate was 2. 5. The sex was just okay and she is a tad on the plump size with a biggish bottom. She would write and tell me how horny she was, but she was just kind of boring when it came to doing it. First couple of times were covered and then bare and CIP after that.
This lady is using the "start online" business model scam. Next.
https://members.seeking.com/member/21a1f6e5-a902-41aa-8377-7f73814d015b
Burbs Monger
06-01-23, 05:41
I use to meet this one a while back when she was 200 all in and 100 for BBBJ. She has gotten a case of gps as she thinks she is all that, so it was pretty easy to move on to the next one. I found her to be mediocre and IMHO, no where near worth anything over 250.
Be Safe.
So finally got to meet this lady after a year of misses. Her pics on the site are a bit dated. She's not quite as thin now as her pics. Still cute, but not stunning. More GND cute now. She wrecked the mood of the meet and greet when we were driving in my car to the hotel and she mentions that her previous long term arrangement gent was giving her 8 $ ppm. She had agreed on half that. I asked her, "should I turn around and drop you back off at your car?" Nah. She said. Maybe you'll find me so enchanting you'll up my allowance. Uh. No hun. That is unlikely.
She was a good romp but I won't repeat. That show of greed killed it for me. This pic is her closest to her face now with the added weight.
https://members.seeking.com/member/45df3086-16a3-476c-85d1-7cea5e1a8777
Meet and greet with her. Much larger than pics. Nice but far from my type. Quoted 3 x $ but I wouldn't go there for free.
https://members.seeking.com/member/fc771710-2a27-4033-ac0a-6bec4026da9c
https://members.seeking.com/member/c2496a71-6826-49f3-88ab-891331a7f250
Thinking about pulling the trigger. Anyone know anything?
https://members.seeking.com/member/c2496a71-6826-49f3-88ab-891331a7f250
Thinking about pulling the trigger. Anyone know anything?Ghosted me after I unlocked pictures LOL.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-03-23, 23:54
So finally got to meet this lady after a year of misses. Her pics on the site are a bit dated. She's not quite as thin now as her pics. Still cute, but not stunning. More GND cute now. She wrecked the mood of the meet and greet when we were driving in my car to the hotel and she mentions that her previous long term arrangement gent was giving her 8 $ ppm. She had agreed on half that. I asked her, "should I turn around and drop you back off at your car?" Nah. She said. Maybe you'll find me so enchanting you'll up my allowance. Uh. No hun. That is unlikely.
She was a good romp but I won't repeat. That show of greed killed it for me. This pic is her closest to her face now with the added weight.
https://members.seeking.com/member/45df3086-16a3-476c-85d1-7cea5e1a8777Nice. I've been wanting to meet that one for while. Have messaged her dozens of times over months and months. Each time would fizzle out. Sometimes I would get the number, sometimes would schedule a meet up, each time ends in a ghost though.
Based on that I would only want to bang her 1 time and move on to be honest.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-03-23, 23:57
I saw her last year for a few dates. Like you say, she is engaging and fun and I thought the photos were cute enough (plus the convenience factor). She is a Temple student with a roommate, thus the limited times for hosting. For me the rate was 2. 5. The sex was just okay and she is a tad on the plump size with a biggish bottom. She would write and tell me how horny she was, but she was just kind of boring when it came to doing it. First couple of times were covered and then bare and CIP after that.Nice. I could probably get it down to 2. 0 with some finessing, maybe. 2. 5 is still too much, most of these girls are definitely not worth that much imo.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-04-23, 00:04
I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-04-23, 00:30
Anyone able to meet this one?
https://members.seeking.com/member/13c02a4f-5183-4e40-b7da-4dab6f1971f9
She's online all the time for years. I think she only meets older guys. PPM is probably something stupid like 300-500.
DudeOfDelco
06-04-23, 11:09
Anyone able to meet this one?
https://members.seeking.com/member/13c02a4f-5183-4e40-b7da-4dab6f1971f9
She's online all the time for years. I think she only meets older guys. PPM is probably something stupid like 300-500.I spoke with her a while back, but once I saw her private pics, I declined to move forward. She's definitely down to fuck just a little too big for my tastes.
I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.It's so much cheaper to fly to Mexico to bang street hooker lmao. I don't know about the others, but sugaring isn't just about pussy. If it's not for you then get a girl from the street that has track marks in her neck and hands, who has a pimp she's sharing locations with. It's not up to me to lowball a woman that is worth 3-400 ppm (my cap) or a monthly allowance of 15-1600. I've had a few great arrangements with amazing ladies and helped them pay their rent, save for school etc. I used to trick from backpage, STG etc but I got tired of junkies and all their bullshit. Got tired of trafficked girls working at AMPs and the morality of that mess. I'd rather spend my time with a submissive 23 year old that I can take to dinner and spend hours with afterwards because she loves it (it's a fetish to be taken care of for many of these girls). Good luck in Oaxaca homie. I have a hot girl in an Uber right now for a coffee meet and greet. Thanks for helping me kill time.
Rubber Ducky Boston
06-04-23, 12:55
I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.Don't really participate in the sugar world too much anymore, but have paid 400-500 on sbs before.
Would never pay that much unless they actually are attractive, bare minimum 8/10.
It is a ton of work to find good options, but if you find a 25 year old 9/10 who doesn't cause drama, is (relatively) safe to go BBFS compared to a high volume provider, and can host in a nice apartment of their own for a few hours, I think 100% that is worth it over an AMP or travelling all the way to mexico. On a per hour basis, its really not any more expensive than an apartment AMP option, and the sb would be significantly younger and more attractive than the providers at an apartment AMP (lets be honest, none of them are under 30, and even the most attractive providers are AT ABSOLUTE BEST a 8/10, most are 6 or 7).
There are 100% times when I've regretted spending 160 on a regular amp, because i could have easily pulled someone more attractive at a bar for free. Lower dollar value doesn't matter to me that much if it ends up in me getting someone I shouldn't have need to pay a penny for, is how I feel.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-04-23, 17:32
I spoke with her a while back, but once I saw her private pics, I declined to move forward. She's definitely down to fuck just a little too big for my tastes.But them titties tho.
LOL yeah I've messaged her a lot of times but she never responds. I think she's one of the girls on seeking that just does not meet up with anyone. Just sits on the site for attention.
It's so much cheaper to fly to Mexico to bang street hooker lmao. I don't know about the others, but sugaring isn't just about pussy. If it's not for you then get a girl from the street that has track marks in her neck and hands, who has a pimp she's sharing locations with. It's not up to me to lowball a woman that is worth 3-400 ppm (my cap) or a monthly allowance of 15-1600. I've had a few great arrangements with amazing ladies and helped them pay their rent, save for school etc. I used to trick from backpage, STG etc but I got tired of junkies and all their bullshit. Got tired of trafficked girls working at AMPs and the morality of that mess. I'd rather spend my time with a submissive 23 year old that I can take to dinner and spend hours with afterwards because she loves it (it's a fetish to be taken care of for many of these girls). Good luck in Oaxaca homie. I have a hot girl in an Uber right now for a coffee meet and greet. Thanks for helping me kill time.Lols. Ya I guess if you're comfortable with that price point sure. I was just looking at it from a pure economical and objective standpoint. Of course there will always some guys that will see the 300-400 spent as being well worth it for what they're getting, even if on paper the "tangible value" they're getting versus what is being paid isn't all that great.
Don't really participate in the sugar world too much anymore, but have paid 400-500 on sbs before.
Would never pay that much unless they actually are attractive, bare minimum 8/10.
It is a ton of work to find good options, but if you find a 25 year old 9/10 who doesn't cause drama, is (relatively) safe to go BBFS compared to a high volume provider, and can host in a nice apartment of their own for a few hours, I think 100% that is worth it over an AMP or travelling all the way to mexico. On a per hour basis, its really not any more expensive than an apartment AMP option, and the sb would be significantly younger and more attractive than the providers at an apartment AMP (lets be honest, none of them are under 30, and even the most attractive providers are AT ABSOLUTE BEST a 8/10, most are 6 or 7).
There are 100% times when I've regretted spending 160 on a regular amp, because i could have easily pulled someone more attractive at a bar for free. Lower dollar value doesn't matter to me that much if it ends up in me getting someone I shouldn't have need to pay a penny for, is how I feel.Eh, 400-500 is too much for my blood, even if they were an 8/10. I just can't justify it. Mexico there are 10/10 porn star looking women for 100 USD. Can't square that in my mind, to be paying 400-500 USD for a USA sugar baby.
I guess the scenario you're describing with a 25 year old 9/10 that causes no drama and can host AND is consistent, the most I would do is like 300 ppm. It's hard to make that call though because at the end of the day what are you really paying for? If it's just sex, you're putting down 300 to get 1 nut off, maybe 2. If it's because you genuinely want to support these girls (I have my own personal reasons why I think this isn't a good idea), and get laid as well, then yeah I could see the 300 ppm making sense.
Also let's be honest, very few here are pulling attractive girls at a bar for free LOL. Let's not be delusional, it's just not happening these days.
Mythbuster
06-04-23, 18:48
I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.I'm happy to see some lively debate and some great reporting over the last couple of weeks.
When it comes to SB it cost what it cost and really depends on what you are looking for, but a good SB can save you a lot of time and aggravation.
Is anyone else getting a pop up on Seeking saying a verification email has been sent to them? I got one over a month ago and since then cannot log in. After like a dozen back and forth with seeking support they say oh your email is no good.
Huh? Same email that I was going back and forth with the support people. So here I am over a month later. Go to log in and still the same pop up. Clear cache and history and everything. I have checked spam and Junk folders. Nothing. Never can get this supposed verification code.
https://members.seeking.com/member/94eee505-9cee-4147-bb6b-4c57b14f28c0
Super cute with a nice body. Has anyone talked with her or met her? Thinking about getting with her.
This guy wants money upfront. Scammer. Next.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5890f9b4-5f74-4494-ba74-69f80fc2266b
I was just looking at it from a pure economical and objective standpoint. But your point doesn't make sense from any economical or objective standpoint.
Eh, 400-500 is too much for my blood, even if they were an 8/10. I just can't justify it. Mexico there are 10/10 porn star looking women for 100 USD. Can't square that in my mind, to be paying 400-500 USD for a USA sugar baby.Who cares what sex costs in Mexico? Even if your premise is correct and you can fuck an equivalent girl in Mexico for 100 when it costs 400-500 here, we aren't in Mexico. Would the sex be cheaper in Mexico? Yes, so would the food and rent and everything else but, again, we aren't in Mexico so what does this have to do with us?
IDK how often you fuck, but I fuck SBs 2 times a week, maybe more. I can't exactly fly to Mexico twice a week, and even if I could it certainly wouldn't be cheaper.
Seems genuine. Would like to meet weekly. Can meet on weekdays after 200 pm. She's just too thicc for my tastes. Best of luck with her gents.
https://members.seeking.com/member/8f5ab9a9-6bc3-4a53-b8ce-ab85c6e0bab2
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-06-23, 10:37
But your point doesn't make sense from any economical or objective standpoint.
Who cares what sex costs in Mexico? Even if your premise is correct and you can fuck an equivalent girl in Mexico for 100 when it costs 400-500 here, we aren't in Mexico. Would the sex be cheaper in Mexico? Yes, so would the food and rent and everything else but, again, we aren't in Mexico so what does this have to do with us?
IDK how often you fuck, but I fuck SBs 2 times a week, maybe more. I can't exactly fly to Mexico twice a week, and even if I could it certainly wouldn't be cheaper.For 300 PPM it's cheaper to do sugar babies in the US. Anything above 300-350 PPM and it's not worth it because going to Mexico or Canada would be cheaper.
If you live in the north east, Montreal Canada is 1-3 hours away by plane. Plane ticket to get there is $650 round trip. Hotel probably $100 a night. Stay there for 2 nights and bang 2 girls per night. You can get escorts in Montreal for $200-220 CAD for 1 hour which is about $150-170 USD. Lots of escort agencies and they have hot girls available, here is one: https://www.escortsxo.com/.
4 girls will cost you around $600 USD, flight $650, hotel $200. Total $1450 spent, over 4 girls that's $362 per girl. Still cheaper than $400 PPM. You could argue that paying $350 PPM in the USA is worth it. But the reality is that guys paying 500,600, or 800 PPM for sugar babies in the USA are not really making wise financial decisions if all they are looking for is sex. If on the other hand, they are paying for the experience of going on dates and they want to support the girls financially then yeah 500-800 PPM makes sense. But if it's mainly for sexual access then it doesn't make sense.
There's the time investment of traveling to these places which is a downside, long plane rides, getting to the airport, etc. But you should also factor in the amount of messaging and grinding that is required to sift through seeking to find a sugar baby that will actually meet. There's lots of flakes, platonics, unresponsive girls, ridiculously high PPM demands, etc. So really it's up to the individual what they believe is the best use of their time.
I will say that 5-6 years ago I've noticed that it was a lot easier to meet and bang girls on seeking. Hell, I started off on the site back then and I didn't pay the girls at all. I would just bang them for free LOL. But times have changed A LOT since then. It's getting much harder. Seeking rebranded it's site away from being for sugar dadies. SESTA / FOSTA law came out and crushed back page, etc. The united states is clearly strengthening their grip on prostitution and I don't see that changing soon. Whether someone wants to continue grinding on seeking or decide to travel to different countries is a personal decision. They could even do both if they have the time for it. It really depends on the guy how they want to handle this environment.
For 300 PPM it's cheaper to do sugar babies in the US. Anything above 300-350 PPM and it's not worth it because going to Mexico or Canada would be cheaper.
If you live in the north east, Montreal Canada is 1-3 hours away by plane. Plane ticket to get there is $650 round trip. Hotel probably $100 a night. Stay there for 2 nights and bang 2 girls per night. You can get escorts in Montreal for $200-220 CAD for 1 hour which is about $150-170 USD. Lots of escort agencies and they have hot girls available, here is one: https://www.escortsxo.com/.
4 girls will cost you around $600 USD, flight $650, hotel $200. Total $1450 spent, over 4 girls that's $362 per girl. Still cheaper than $400 PPM. You could argue that paying $350 PPM in the USA is worth it. But the reality is that guys paying 500,600, or 800 PPM for sugar babies in the USA are not really making wise financial decisions if all they are looking for is sex. If on the other hand, they are paying for the experience of going on dates and they want to support the girls financially then yeah 500-800 PPM makes sense. But if it's mainly for sexual access then it doesn't make sense.It's pretty obvious that sugaring is not for you. You can't wrap your head around it. You have all your points and arguments but what it comes down to is times have changed, you had your glory days but they're gone. I make 6 figures between my sources of income, I don't want a vanilla relationship so I do this instead. It's fun for all and actually for the most part it's a healthy practice for the girls. I don't personally approach it as tricking but as mutual spoiling. Don't get me wrong- hot sex is an important part, but the approach I have and my pickiness in choosing makes it about mutual spoiling as opposed to transactional. I personally avoid the hookers that are on the site. Godspeed my friend.
Rubber Ducky Boston
06-06-23, 11:57
For 300 PPM it's cheaper to do sugar babies in the US. Anything above 300-350 PPM and it's not worth it because going to Mexico or Canada would be cheaper.
If you live in the north east, Montreal Canada is 1-3 hours away by plane. Plane ticket to get there is $650 round trip. Hotel probably $100 a night. Stay there for 2 nights and bang 2 girls per night. You can get escorts in Montreal for $200-220 CAD for 1 hour which is about $150-170 USD. Lots of escort agencies and they have hot girls available, here is one: https://www.escortsxo.com/.
4 girls will cost you around $600 USD, flight $650, hotel $200. Total $1450 spent, over 4 girls that's $362 per girl. Still cheaper than $400 PPM. You could argue that paying $350 PPM in the USA is worth it. But the reality is that guys paying 500,600, or 800 PPM for sugar babies in the USA are not really making wise financial decisions if all they are looking for is sex. If on the other hand, they are paying for the experience of going on dates and they want to support the girls financially then yeah 500-800 PPM makes sense. But if it's mainly for sexual access then it doesn't make sense.
There's the time investment of traveling to these places which is a downside, long plane rides, getting to the airport, etc. But you should also factor in the amount of messaging and grinding that is required to sift through seeking to find a sugar baby that will actually meet. There's lots of flakes, platonics, unresponsive girls, ridiculously high PPM demands, etc. So really it's up to the individual what they believe is the best use of their time.
I will say that 5-6 years ago I've noticed that it was a lot easier to meet and bang girls on seeking. Hell, I started off on the site back then and I didn't pay the girls at all. I would just bang them for free LOL. But times have changed A LOT since then. It's getting much harder. Seeking rebranded it's site away from being for sugar dadies. SESTA / FOSTA law came out and crushed back page, etc. The united states is clearly strengthening their grip on prostitution and I don't see that changing soon. Whether someone wants to continue grinding on seeking or decide to travel to different countries is a personal decision. They could even do both if they have the time for it. It really depends on the guy how they want to handle this environment.You're not factoring in the most important resource enough, which is time. You mentioned it briefly, but that's really the biggest issue.
I don't have 10-20 hours of travel time (and aggravation) to spend just so I can save, based on your calculations, maybe $50-150 off my PPM arrangement. Would rather just jump in my car and drive 15 minutes, spend as much or as little time as I want, and then be back to normal life. I don't want to have to plan a cross country trip or something. I want to be able to call up my girl, see if she's free tonight, and just be back in time for sleep.
You do end up spending time prospecting like you said, and that's the main reason I don't bother anymore with sugar, but once you have an arrangement setup, its far more convenient and nice. Less likely to get ripped off, more likely to have good service if you've built rapport, safer, etc.
And I personally would never go with the 800 or 1000ppm arrangements myself, but they have their place too. if someone is a literal supermodel, i can get everything i want out of it (e.g. bbfs gfe etc), we get along well, and its in my budget (it is not), then i'd definitely consider it.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-06-23, 12:53
You're not factoring in the most important resource enough, which is time. You mentioned it briefly, but that's really the biggest issue.
I don't have 10-20 hours of travel time (and aggravation) to spend just so I can save, based on your calculations, maybe $50-150 off my PPM arrangement. Would rather just jump in my car and drive 15 minutes, spend as much or as little time as I want, and then be back to normal life. I don't want to have to plan a cross country trip or something. I want to be able to call up my girl, see if she's free tonight, and just be back in time for sleep.."Once you have an arrangement setup, its far more convenient and nice. " absolutely. This is the goal and it's the best possible situation to have. The reality and truth though is that it is very difficult to get a consistent arrangement set up that lasts for the long run. I don't have any data to back this up but I would say the typical arrangement from seeking lasts about 1-3 months. So every couple of months you will be prospecting. It's a constant cycle of prospecting that you need to account for, which ultimately will eat more and more into your time. To avoid all of that, taking a plane trip to Montreal Canada for a sure thing and then coming back home the next day could be a reasonable alternative.
If it were that easy to get into consistent and stable arrangements, I would agree with you. But it's not that easy. A lot of grinding is required and you will need to continue to grind even if you find an arrangement. Arrangements fizzle out, things don't last. And it's not exactly easy to replace a lost sugar chick that was decent. Maybe you and others have different experiences, but in my experience it requires a decent amount of work to find a girl that is okay with routine intimate dates, decently attractive, and you offering a reasonable PPM. One thing I've realized is that even if you offer a high PPM that still won't increase your success rate by much, because a lot of girls on seeking are just not down with intimately hooking up regularly. They want platonic, gifts, outings, etc, etc. It's not easy to get an intimate arrangement set up.
As far as the 800-1000 PPM arrangements go, these arrangements are never economically justified, no matter which way you try to spin it. Because I can just come back and say "well you can just go to Canada or Mexico and get the same exact thing for 200 PPM". And then you say "yeah but it takes time to travel to those places". And then we get back to what I said earlier: it's a personal decision. Would you rather pay 1000 PPM, or invest the time to go on a trip and get 200 PPM. I personally see this whole situation as a temporary thing until I can relocate out of the US and put myself in a better position permanently. But for others that have no plans to relocate at all in the future, then yeah 1000 PPM may make sense for them. Personal decision.
Mythbuster
06-06-23, 15:00
For 300 PPM it's cheaper to do sugar babies in the US. Anything above 300-350 PPM and it's not worth it because going to Mexico or Canada would be cheaper.
If you live in the north east, Montreal Canada is 1-3 hours away by plane. Plane ticket to get there is $650 round trip. Hotel probably $100 a night. Stay there for 2 nights and bang 2 girls per night. You can get escorts in Montreal for $200-220 CAD for 1 hour which is about $150-170 USD. Lots of escort agencies and they have hot girls available, here is one: https://www.escortsxo.com/.
4 girls will cost you around $600 USD, flight $650, hotel $200. Total $1450 spent, over 4 girls that's $362 per girl. Still cheaper than $400 PPM. You could argue that paying $350 PPM in the USA is worth it. But the reality is that guys paying 500,600, or 800 PPM for sugar babies in the USA are not really making wise financial decisions if all they are looking for is sex. If on the other hand, they are paying for the experience of going on dates and they want to support the girls financially then yeah 500-800 PPM makes sense. But if it's mainly for sexual access then it doesn't make sense.As others have said, you have a hyper focus on the price tag and really just the idea of paying 500 instead of 300. The distance between 300 and 400 or 500 can get you every little devious detail that you like in an experience. Money is only one aspect of the game. Grinding on Seeking isn't even that tough. Yes there may be disappointments and scammers, but I'm doing this for the comfort of my own sofa with a drink in hand while watching a baseball game! The value of meeting up with someone you find attractive 10-15 minutes from home or at your house for a hot multi pop untimed session and then going home to sleep in you own bed is priceless!
And yes it is possible for average looking 40-60 yo men to pick up attractive women (even young ones) at bars. It just doesn't happen every weekend and usually involves someone less than completely stable!
Seems like there's quite a range from 200 - 800 out there. Of course some girls ask for more. I like to stay in the 200 - 300 range per meet. I try to always discuss the potential of a regular thing 3-4 times a month. That seems to work often. I have done 400 with one extra hot college gal but that always included overnight. I do agree the game is getting harder and plenty of unrealistic millennials out there keep it interesting LOL. The basic math might work for a trip to Canada or Mexico but like some others have said who has that kind of available time! I have also been working on my dollar store, Wawa and smoke shop game. Some cash, 200 +/- can go a long way for a young lady on a tight budget. I think some of the attraction is just the thrill of the hunt all IMHO!
I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.
Mythbuster
06-06-23, 22:09
...I have also been working on my dollar store, Wawa and smoke shop game. Some cash, 200 +/- can go a long way for a young lady on a tight budget. I think some of the attraction is just the thrill of the hunt all IMHO!We need a whole new forum just for these kind of ideas! In my 20's and 30's I couldn't recognize a woman basically throwing it at me! Now days, it doesn't matter where I am, grocery store, gas station, or the local bar / restaurant I'll find the right target!
As far as standard pricing. There's great info on Reddit, it probably skewed about 100 high but still pretty good info.
Seems like there's quite a range from 200 - 800 out there. Of course some girls ask for more. I like to stay in the 200 - 300 range per meet. I try to always discuss the potential of a regular thing 3-4 times a month. That seems to work often. I have done 400 with one extra hot college gal but that always included overnight. I do agree the game is getting harder and plenty of unrealistic millennials out there keep it interesting LOL. The basic math might work for a trip to Canada or Mexico but like some others have said who has that kind of available time! I have also been working on my dollar store, Wawa and smoke shop game. Some cash, 200 +/- can go a long way for a young lady on a tight budget. I think some of the attraction is just the thrill of the hunt all IMHO!I try and stay at 200 myself unless I really really want her then maybe I'll go higher. But never more than 4.
I know this girl. She's been in the game since she was 19 YO. A UTR girl. I saw her for years. Then, around age 25 YO, she got heavy. REALLY heavy. The pics on her profile now are about a year old. She's heavier now. How do I know? During my dry spell on SA I hit her up for old times sake about two months ago. (And to see if she's lost weight. She hadn't lost any and gained 10 lbs more! Such a shame. As a 20 YO she was smoking hot! Needless to say I didn't repeat. I swear she had a kid. But she denies it. She's a good person that has some street smarts. But I won't see her again due to the weight gain. Way too thicc for me now. IF you like thicc curvy chicks, she may be for you.
https://members.seeking.com/member/c1a110eb-8c9c-41b2-a3dc-987c40c72716
I know this girl. She's been in the game since she was 19 YO. A UTR girl. I saw her for years. Then, around age 25 YO, she got heavy. REALLY heavy. The pics on her profile now are about a year old. She's heavier now. How do I know? During my dry spell on SA I hit her up for old times sake about two months ago. (And to see if she's lost weight. She hadn't lost any and gained 10 lbs more! Such a shame. As a 20 YO she was smoking hot! Needless to say I didn't repeat. I swear she had a kid. But she denies it. She's a good person that has some street smarts. But I won't see her again due to the weight gain. Way too thicc for me now. IF you like thicc curvy chicks, she may be for you.
https://members.seeking.com/member/c1a110eb-8c9c-41b2-a3dc-987c40c72716I honestly hate words like "curvy" and "thicc" because they are just so nebulous, it basically describes nothing. Is she actually obese / fat? Because you say she was "Really" heavy. That implies fat enough that the pictures are just totally misleading.
https://members.seeking.com/member/0a38fe13-a9c4-4f89-87bf-c9180c9adbdd
She says she wants just dates. Already has a bf so no intimacy. Jesus. I could have a date with myself at home for fking free. Love how she puts on her profile that she's single too. These women are real pieces of work.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-07-23, 21:29
https://members.seeking.com/member/0a38fe13-a9c4-4f89-87bf-c9180c9adbdd
She says she wants just dates. Already has a bf so no intimacy. Jesus. I could have a date with myself at home for fking free. Love how she puts on her profile that she's single too. These women are real pieces of work.Ya there's a lot of that.
I'm curious how other guys are doing, what kind of results they are getting, and if they are fucking hot girls from seeking consistently. It's one thing to bang an 8/10 from seeking once, I'm wondering if anyone is actually able to keep them in rotation and bang them for a good bit. In my experience, those solid chicks you do get end up just falling off at some point. Very difficult to keep them for long term bang sessions.
I did have 1 girl that I could keep seeing and was a lower end PPM. But I kind of blew it up on purpose because she wasn't that attractive and I was getting bored of fucking her.
Also had 1 other girl that I was seeing for at least a few months but she ended up having to move out of the city cause she finished college.
Also had another girl that I saw for a lower end PPM for at least 1-2 months. Foreign girl. She definitely was stolen from me though. One of you bastards here offered her 500 PPM and took her away from me LOL. On a serious note it probably wasn't anyone here, but yeah I know for a fact that I got priced out. I got lucky with that one, really attractive and lower PPM because she was new. Took her out on dates and stuff so wasn't just trying to take advantage.
I stopped using seeking for now. I think the site has gone totally down hill at this point. It used to be good but I'm pretty sure those days are over.
If anyone is still crushing it on seeking and getting sex with hot girls on a consistent level, do let us know and please inform us. It's cool to at least see some guys that are actually banging these hotties, even though the site has gone to total shit.
I honestly hate words like "curvy" and "thicc" because they are just so nebulous, it basically describes nothing. Is she actually obese / fat? Because you say she was "Really" heavy. That implies fat enough that the pictures are just totally misleading.She's 10 lbs heavier than those pics. Like MOST of these chicks who post old profile pics. She's just as misleading as the majority on SA. That is her in the pics. Just a bit thinner her.
Ya there's a lot of that.
I'm curious how other guys are doing, what kind of results they are getting, and if they are fucking hot girls from seeking consistently. It's one thing to bang an 8/10 from seeking once, I'm wondering if anyone is actually able to keep them in rotation and bang them for a good bit. In my experience, those solid chicks you do get end up just falling off at some point. Very difficult to keep them for long term bang sessions.
I did have 1 girl that I could keep seeing and was a lower end PPM. But I kind of blew it up on purpose because she wasn't that attractive and I was getting bored of fucking her.
Also had 1 other girl that I was seeing for at least a few months but she ended up having to move out of the city cause she finished college.
Also had another girl that I saw for a lower end PPM for at least 1-2 months. Foreign girl. She definitely was stolen from me though. One of you bastards here offered her 500 PPM and took her away from me LOL. On a serious note it probably wasn't anyone here, but yeah I know for a fact that I got priced out. I got lucky with that one, really attractive and lower PPM because she was new. Took her out on dates and stuff so wasn't just trying to take advantage..First, I'm not into the "glamour" girls. The ones that don't smile in their pics, overly made up with over the top fake lashes and too much (in my opinion) make up. I manage to find 22-30 year old sexpots some of which I personally grade out 7-9's. But here's the thing I'm into fitness and have a look many consider attractive. Also I have many younger friends and am in step with younger sensibilities. I know how to talk. I present myself as dominant but when we discuss this I let them know that I'm experienced and understand things like check ins and communication while we're fucking. And I make sure to follow up. These women need to feel safe, comfortable and also it helps to be found attractive on multiple levels. The reptilian approach that basically is saying "I give you money so you're just a thing" is unappealing to many and helps you to be treated as an ATM because that's what you're telling them is all you have to offer. Bring more to the table. When you find a good one do sweet little things for them when you're not together. It goes a long way. If anyone wants some basic coaching hit me up directly.
Mythbuster
06-08-23, 13:32
Ya there's a lot of that.
I'm curious how other guys are doing, what kind of results they are getting, and if they are fucking hot girls from seeking consistently. It's one thing to bang an 8/10 from seeking once, I'm wondering if anyone is actually able to keep them in rotation and bang them for a good bit. In my experience, those solid chicks you do get end up just falling off at some point. Very difficult to keep them for long term bang sessions.
I did have 1 girl that I could keep seeing and was a lower end PPM. But I kind of blew it up on purpose because she wasn't that attractive and I was getting bored of fucking her.
Also had 1 other girl that I was seeing for at least a few months but she ended up having to move out of the city cause she finished college.
Also had another girl that I saw for a lower end PPM for at least 1-2 months. Foreign girl. She definitely was stolen from me though. One of you bastards here offered her 500 PPM and took her away from me LOL. On a serious note it probably wasn't anyone here, but yeah I know for a fact that I got priced out. I got lucky with that one, really attractive and lower PPM because she was new. Took her out on dates and stuff so wasn't just trying to take advantage..Our individual preferences are subjective but I'd say that given a month of leisurely searching, I can find at least two to three "8/10" to meet up with. Will they be long term? You alluded to it yourself. Sometimes they move on and sometimes we do. If I'm doing PPM, I'm not looking for anything long term. I can find good repeatable experiences.
This one is a fake. And I quote:
I am looking for a long term romantic and intimate relationship. Maybe I wish for more companionship and love.
But I usually seldom use the site. Maybe we can keep in touch through WhatsApp. What is your phone number?
WhatsApp is the scammer way to communicate with dudes who are likely actually in Pakistan! That's why the English is awkward. (Scammers will be using ChatGPT soon!! So it will be more of a challenge to detect.) They use a VPN to give them a USA log on location. Ugh. Next!
https://members.seeking.com/member/6606bd88-4f7a-42e4-8b27-3624379179d5?metric=true
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-08-23, 18:08
Our individual preferences are subjective but I'd say that given a month of leisurely searching, I can find at least two to three "8/10" to meet up with. Will they be long term? You alluded to it yourself. Sometimes they move on and sometimes we do. If I'm doing PPM, I'm not looking for anything long term. I can find good repeatable experiences.Very good. Props to you then, you've figured it out.
First, I'm not into the "glamour" girls. The ones that don't smile in their pics, overly made up with over the top fake lashes and too much (in my opinion) make up. I manage to find 22-30 year old sexpots some of which I personally grade out 7-9's. But here's the thing I'm into fitness and have a look many consider attractive. Also I have many younger friends and am in step with younger sensibilities. I know how to talk. I present myself as dominant but when we discuss this I let them know that I'm experienced and understand things like check ins and communication while we're fucking. And I make sure to follow up. These women need to feel safe, comfortable and also it helps to be found attractive on multiple levels. The reptilian approach that basically is saying "I give you money so you're just a thing" is unappealing to many and helps you to be treated as an ATM because that's what you're telling them is all you have to offer. Bring more to the table. When you find a good one do sweet little things for them when you're not together. It goes a long way. If anyone wants some basic coaching hit me up directly.I would argue that being "coached" to be a sugar daddy is not something guys should aspire for but hey, to each is their own LOL.
She's 10 lbs heavier than those pics. Like MOST of these chicks who post old profile pics. She's just as misleading as the majority on SA. That is her in the pics. Just a bit thinner her.So she's 10 lbs heavier than pics where she was already pretty damn slim and you call that in your own words "Really heavy" I hate to think what you'd call her if she put on 25 lbs. This is going to be fun.
Mythbuster
06-09-23, 00:00
Another Whatsaap girl, No surprise there. I didn't even message her 1st. I made the mistake of viewing her profile.
https://members.seeking.com/member/8402b8dd-cbf0-4737-9c61-d7cc217af95f
Mythbuster
06-09-23, 00:09
This one also messaged me out of the blue and said her allowance would be 800. That would be pretty cheap for monthly but the rest of her message suggested that she means ppm and is just trying to avoid getting popped by the SA police!
https://members.seeking.com/member/91abf666-e779-486a-9e1a-041253adcd2c
This one also messaged me out of the blue and said her allowance would be 800. That would be pretty cheap for monthly but the rest of her message suggested that she means ppm and is just trying to avoid getting popped by the SA police!
https://members.seeking.com/member/91abf666-e779-486a-9e1a-041253adcd2cToo late. XD Already got taken down.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-09-23, 11:34
This one also messaged me out of the blue and said her allowance would be 800. That would be pretty cheap for monthly but the rest of her message suggested that she means ppm and is just trying to avoid getting popped by the SA police!
https://members.seeking.com/member/91abf666-e779-486a-9e1a-041253adcd2cYa I saw that one.
I'm curious if she would even meet up if someone agreed to 800.
Usually what happens is they throw out a high PPM and are barely interested to follow through.
UninhibitedFla
06-09-23, 14:53
I'm working in Philly next week. Staying in the Wynnefield Heights area. Looking for PPM (at my hotel preferably) but would drive within 30 minutes if she hosts & I know the area is safe (not familiar with Philly but know Kensington would be a no-fly zone for me). If anyone could either DM or post intel on recently verified-legit girls on Seeking I will be forever grateful. I don't need to know what you paid, phone numbers or anything personal you don't feel comfortable disclosing. Just trying to narrow my focus on the legit pussy that is DTF and avoid the flakes / scammers. I've been getting some responses but if I know one is a legit target then will go full on fire for effect. Thanks!
Ya there's a lot of that.
I'm curious how other guys are doing, what kind of results they are getting, and if they are fucking hot girls from seeking consistently. It's one thing to bang an 8/10 from seeking once, I'm wondering if anyone is actually able to keep them in rotation and bang them for a good bit. In my experience, those solid chicks you do get end up just falling off at some point. Very difficult to keep them for long term bang sessions.
I did have 1 girl that I could keep seeing and was a lower end PPM. But I kind of blew it up on purpose because she wasn't that attractive and I was getting bored of fucking her.
Also had 1 other girl that I was seeing for at least a few months but she ended up having to move out of the city cause she finished college.
Also had another girl that I saw for a lower end PPM for at least 1-2 months. Foreign girl. She definitely was stolen from me though. One of you bastards here offered her 500 PPM and took her away from me LOL. On a serious note it probably wasn't anyone here, but yeah I know for a fact that I got priced out. I got lucky with that one, really attractive and lower PPM because she was new. Took her out on dates and stuff so wasn't just trying to take advantage.
I stopped using seeking for now. I think the site has gone totally down hill at this point. It used to be good but I'm pretty sure those days are over.
If anyone is still crushing it on seeking and getting sex with hot girls on a consistent level, do let us know and please inform us. It's cool to at least see some guys that are actually banging these hotties, even though the site has gone to total shit.I highly doubt anyone is hooking up with new hot girls on seeking consistently unless they're a whale and can travel. In 2015, I have no doubts most of us who arent complete creeps could be pulling hotties consistently but like you said. The site has gone totally down hill.
I will say this though. I use it when I travel now and its still good if you're willing travel and have the time to go out to smaller towns. The value proposition for me is diminishing though because its not convenient for me to have to travel 2-3 hours consistently.
I got a chance to briefly speak with this "gem". I'll let the screenshot do the talking. Anyone with a kink for Karens?
https://members.seeking.com/member/5e81d7be-3c41-4721-9eae-60e4595a709b
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-10-23, 10:52
I highly doubt anyone is hooking up with new hot girls on seeking consistently unless they're a whale and can travel. In 2015, I have no doubts most of us who arent complete creeps could be pulling hotties consistently but like you said. The site has gone totally down hill.
I will say this though. I use it when I travel now and its still good if you're willing travel and have the time to go out to smaller towns. The value proposition for me is diminishing though because its not convenient for me to have to travel 2-3 hours consistently.Ya if you travel consistently the site can be good. A couple weeks ago I was in north carolina and was able to set up and meet fairly quickly with a decent looking chick, she wanted something stupid like 500 ppm though but that's besides the point.
If you're consistently in new cities you'll definitely get laid more. But if you're stuck in 1 city, even if it's a major one, you'll burn through most of the girls after a few weeks if you're messaging new girls often. Once you've burned through there's really not much to do at that point, it's just waiting for old girls to come back online or new girls to join the site.
I'm working in Philly next week. Staying in the Wynnefield Heights area. Looking for PPM (at my hotel preferably) but would drive within 30 minutes if she hosts & I know the area is safe (not familiar with Philly but know Kensington would be a no-fly zone for me). If anyone could either DM or post intel on recently verified-legit girls on Seeking I will be forever grateful. I don't need to know what you paid, phone numbers or anything personal you don't feel comfortable disclosing. Just trying to narrow my focus on the legit pussy that is DTF and avoid the flakes / scammers. I've been getting some responses but if I know one is a legit target then will go full on fire for effect. Thanks!LOL good luck. You're kind of asking for the keys to the kingdom here. Something that everyone wants LOL. Everyone wants to know who is the legit pussy so the can ignore the waste and save time. I don't think it's as simple as asking for that information to get it.
This lady is only available Fridays or Sundays. Doesn't work for me.
https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/7b91e8bb-0c6d-4502-9aa2-fe22ca7d0570
She's looking for 7 $$ ppm. I tried for a more reasonable number and she went dark.
https://members.seeking.com/member/b3b0716c-64e7-4b37-8bd9-caa5f4185d47
Ya if you travel consistently the site can be good. A couple weeks ago I was in north carolina and was able to set up and meet fairly quickly with a decent looking chick, she wanted something stupid like 500 ppm though but that's besides the point.
If you're consistently in new cities you'll definitely get laid more. But if you're stuck in 1 city, even if it's a major one, you'll burn through most of the girls after a few weeks if you're messaging new girls often. Once you've burned through there's really not much to do at that point, it's just waiting for old girls to come back online or new girls to join the site.
LOL good luck. You're kind of asking for the keys to the kingdom here. Something that everyone wants LOL. Everyone wants to know who is the legit pussy so the can ignore the waste and save time. I don't think it's as simple as asking for that information to get it.So I'm one of those who travels a ton for work and reaps the benefits of a easy access to an ever changing part of the fish bowl. That being said, I have found it quite easy to establish recurring fun with a few SBs in a particular locale until SA has "repopulated" enough to warrant re-upping a subscription. Smaller cities in the south and out west are amazing to dream in but the east coast still has plenty of women with daddy and $ issues, see SA as a way to date in a pool of successful men, or arer are just kinky as f.
All that being said, even with sugar involved you have to make it easy for the woman to find a connection and get wet panties over a drink. Personality, be in shape, subtle indicators that point to access to resources (that you actually have) and that she currently does not, etc. If you can figure out your approach and replicate it many times over you can sift through the time wasters and pretty easily find the freaky ones who are dtf. I find SA to be much more efficient than Tinder, Hinge, or Fetlife. This as really evident once I switched positions and my new contract provided some benefits that are extremely conducive to the game. But even before, I had stints in Philly where in a week I enjoyed Ads21 blowing cum bubbles, Cheeks asking to be choked while pounded, and having drinks then making out with one of LovingLexy's friends while I put her legs on my shoulders and went primal.
The talent is still out there. If you are a senior member with tangible board contributions in Philly or elsewhere I'm happy to give a lean on a very attractive 24 yo marketing grad that is finding the currently economy a challenge, is in a dating lull, and is looking for a new SD.
She will not meet with married men unless the wife is involved too. Single SDs to the front of the line!
https://members.seeking.com/member/922565d6-5f77-45a3-bfab-478cde95a58c
Looking for a millionaire. I offered my time and spoiling until she gets on a big boat but no response LOL. If I could get into this little coochie my life will be complete. LOL.
https://members.seeking.com/member/11d715ed-e9fe-4004-93b8-34598830f12f
This little hottie is asking for 6. I'm priced out. At 4 she made sense. Great head, sweet kitty and left a nut in her.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ce613ed9-d704-445a-8b26-6bb85628474a
Mythbuster
06-13-23, 22:43
This is just an observation but it seems that there are quite a few of the average body MILF types 35-45 that are just slinging it around for 200 on Seeking. Not quite what I would normally look for but I'm sure it will fill a need in a pinch. I've found at 2 pretty quicky with my seeking "research account"!
MisterMister46
06-14-23, 15:50
Whenever I click a link from this thread, the website tells me that the profile isn't available. Am I doing something wrong??
Frustrating waste of time. Wanted to meet up tonight- I stay away from bars so she said she would meet me in a well lit park near my place and we could feel each other out. Last text was that she called the Uber. Then of course crickets. This is the 3rd time I tried one time her bubbles went green so I assumed I was blocked. Claimed her phone died. Another time she kept me waiting for hours for a supposed dog sitter for her puppy. My guess is she's shooting fentanyl or meth. Maybe stuck on crack.
UninhibitedFla
06-15-23, 06:17
Whenever I click a link from this thread, the website tells me that the profile isn't available. Am I doing something wrong??Shemay have deleted her Seeking profile. Try logging into Seeking site first, then click on the link here.
This lady is a flat out pro. I'm not interested in that kind of situation. Next!
Her response:
Well I'm here to meet anyone interested in my intimate sensual fun service and I get paid after fun. A short term arrangement and don't mind if it becomes ongoing. Chemistry isn't a deal breaker for me, I just want to do what I love doing most and getting paid after. I also offer sensual massage session.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1c476054-9152-4365-b974-838be8804e1b
Whenever I click a link from this thread, the website tells me that the profile isn't available. Am I doing something wrong??I have that same problem and often it is because I use a VPN or relay and sites block access.
Simple thing would be if everyone posted a picture with their ask or comment like HenryT did below. Girl's names, ages and numbers change frequently, but the face usually stays the same. Food for thought - Just saying.
I have that same problem and often it is because I use a VPN or relay and sites block access.
Simple thing would be if everyone posted a picture with their ask or comment like HenryT did below. Girl's names, ages and numbers change frequently, but the face usually stays the same. Just saying.Same here. Finally ponied up the cash for a membership for a month. Seemed to have worked. Now the only ones that don't show are probably the removed accounts.
This lady is back on the site. I had a meet and greet with her 3 years ago. She is a gorgeous woman. Came to Philly for college and stayed. She's above my pay grade as she wants 1 k ppm. So likely it's higher now. Crazy thing is she had an arrangement with a whale so she got what she wanted. I'm sure she will again.
https://members.seeking.com/member/31580915-f1f9-4b65-9bbe-c0fc8ed6e563
https://members.seeking.com/member/1ea2f1ae-09bb-4c40-98dc-34576a0388b3
Pretty sure I hit her up her 1st day on SA Feb 23rd, went right to text. Been trying to meet up ever since. She works over nights so I'm understanding about that. But we've had plans 3 times and she's overslept or just went silent. I told her never mind and then she responds. Everything she said was bullshit. I informed her she needs to learn to communicate. BYYYYEEEEEEEE.
Mythbuster
06-18-23, 08:37
This lady is a flat out pro. I'm not interested in that kind of situation. Next!
Her response:
Well I'm here to meet anyone interested in my intimate sensual fun service and I get paid after fun. A short term arrangement and don't mind if it becomes ongoing. Chemistry isn't a deal breaker for me, I just want to do what I love doing most and getting paid after. I also offer sensual massage session.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1c476054-9152-4365-b974-838be8804e1bShe's on the move!
https://members.seeking.com/member/80c40a7d-9ead-46dd-a699-1fb96e265964
Joziel- very sexy and pretty cool. Not interested in jumping into anything sexual however, but is open to it after a while. So I wished her well. LOL.
https://members.seeking.com/member/47ff6d06-8228-4978-ac4b-0f8624b584e2
Taylorrr444- Tread lightly- hit me up in DM if you want my intel.
https://members.seeking.com/member/13e7deed-4a4d-4310-8776-71a0945fbdb9
GemmaMarie- Any intel. She looks fun.
https://members.seeking.com/member/31570fab-28f7-4bc2-ad37-be45981e7819
Sugarnspice21 Went back and forth for a while. Something felt off and I asked for a confirmation pic. Had reasons to not send one. So I had reasons to move on. She might be real but.
https://members.seeking.com/member/01ecccd3-7777-4779-8277-d6d59dcd8607
Stunning. Real. Anyone chat with her or more yet?
https://members.seeking.com/member/b81c06d0-fc7c-41a4-96a8-781304d1ddb5
WAAAAYYYYY too butch for me. Chatted once and that was all I needed. Chain smokes. In an open relationship. Feels like a butch lesbian that can tolerate dik.
Members. seeking.com/ member /94 eee505-9 cee-4147-bb6 b-4 c57 b14 f28 c0.
Hannahliz- very hot but couldn't make a meet up happen with her. If you can she seems like a good find.
https://members.seeking.com/member/8f7e670c-c77b-4a0c-aa16-9fefa435e9d1
Sholly38- Definitely a pro. Didn't smash but she can be had for four hundo.
https://members.seeking.com/member/13418a09-4868-4859-b6ee-af1c59f1d44e
BadKittyxox- provibes. Will eventually have a sob story about needing money through cashapp.
A friend of mine. Or my friend had a dream. LOL.
Let's just say someone I might know told me he sticks to 150 to 250.
Now he sent me some pics to back it up. Granted these aren't all day meetings. Maybe an hour. One event, for multiple events in one day maybe more. No dinners etc. He stills sees some of them. So no links sorry, but if you been with them I am sure you might know them.
Girls aren't 10's. Maybe 6's and 7's. Some are alittle chunky, but he does like big breast. For One or two of the girls the meeting didn't happen, but the amount was agreed on. My friend is 50 plus years old over 6 ft fit. Nothing special.
Now to help keep things in check. My friend and I were told by a few of the girls on one of these S D sites. Now they said this BC they were mad that I didn't agree to there numbers. But I keep this in my head while chatting with them. "What normal man pays for sex". I say to myself and them. Which she is kind of right. I just say what's it worth. Hmm. Well, a girl that's at least half my age. Average to good looking. Does almost everything I want sexually and I don't need to take them anywere. Yeah that's probably good for couple Benz. Definitely not 400 or 500. I am middle-class at best. I tell myself if I would have put that extra 200 to 300 which adds up to alot in a month into the stock market or even gold, bitcoin etc. I would be up alot more. Now if you have cash to burn. Great. My friend and I are are just trying to keep the numbers at a reasonable level. But to each is own. My friend and I may do 3. For the first meet. On going NO.
Also please get yourself check out.
Trick is floating around and guys can have zero symptoms. If you go bare. It's probably better to pull out then to leave your stuff in them, so you don't have stuff swimming back in you. Take a piss and wash your junk.
She seems real. Doesn't get off work until 600 pm. Her schedule doesn't work for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1f004ca2-c7cd-4108-b799-7ac8bde6befa
This lady wants 250 for a meet and greet so if I don't like her she'll still get something out of it. In other words, she's a rinser.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e10010e6-83e8-4294-9728-2fb3bdcede31
This lady will only be in Philly for a week. She's got to be a touring pro. Not for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/680197bd-3256-4578-adba-6c895e09db5f
Here are more text conversations and pics of girls in the 2 to 2. 5 range. If you are paying more. Maybe you can claim them on your taxes. Just remember you have control. If you act desperate. Girls will take advantage. My friend and I are not on S D. Sites. The sex friends list is long enough Sorry about not having the links. I am sure you can find them on the sites easily enough. If they turn your offer down and they are real. They usually come back to chat and they will usually accept your offer anyway. Happy hunting and don't throw your money away on being so generous as they will probably fuck for even cheaper than 2 bills.
This lady wants 250 for a meet and greet so if I don't like her she'll still get something out of it. In other words, she's a rinser.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e10010e6-83e8-4294-9728-2fb3bdcede31I agree. I almost always meet someone in public first. If they start saying something money for the first platonic meeting. I say I don't do that. I don't mind giving some gas money for you driving out to meet but that's it. If we continue to something more private. Yeah your gift gets a lot bigger. You guys that are paying 100 plus just to meet.
You might as well send girls deposits on STG. As it's most likely a scam or rinser.
I agree. I almost always meet someone in public first. If they start saying something money for the first platonic meeting. I say I don't do that. I don't mind giving some gas money for you driving out to meet but that's it. If we continue to something more private. Yeah your gift gets a lot bigger. You guys that are paying 100 plus just to meet.
You might as well send girls deposits on STG. As it's most likely a scam or rinser.I have to admit that I DID do that once but it was WYP so I knew what I was getting in to and was kinda OK with it. Still, a lot of girls on WYP are ok with doing it immediately. I saw one named "Arielle" that was a sexy Mediterranean / Middle Eastern combination and she almost forgot to even ask for the gift. I had a good time with her so I didn't want to be a douche and not give it lest I not get to hang out with her in the future. She ghosted either way. So I'm off that site now for good even if I did find a few that were fun and DTF after a "hello, how do you?" However, I think that's spoiled women on the other sites now and a lot want a gift to meet. One from Newark DE wanted 2 bennis just for a coffee. She was hot but I'm not driving that far AND not getting any for that.
BTW, I know it's probably fairly obvious, but for clarity's sake, anyone that can tell me just what a rinser is exactly?
This lady wants to chat on WhatsApp. Ugh. Got to be another scammer. NEXT.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e59592aa-8337-43af-b3f9-7643a3358ba3
Burbs Monger
06-20-23, 15:45
JD,
Really appreciate the intel, however, maybe I missed something but if you and your friend are not on the SB sites then where are you finding these ladies? They don't appear to be from escort sites like stg, BP, ea, tryst etc.
Be Safe.
Here are more text conversations and pics of girls in the 2 to 2. 5 range. If you are paying more. Maybe you can claim them on your taxes. Just remember you have control. If you act desperate. Girls will take advantage. My friend and I are not on S D. Sites. The sex friends list is long enough Sorry about not having the links. I am sure you can find them on the sites easily enough. If they turn your offer down and they are real. They usually come back to chat and they will usually accept your offer anyway. Happy hunting and don't throw your money away on being so generous as they will probably fuck for even cheaper than 2 bills.
JD,
Really appreciate the intel, however, maybe I missed something but if you and your friend are not on the SB sites then where are you finding these ladies? They don't appear to be from escort sites like stg, BP, ea, tryst etc.
Be Safe.Thanks. All those girls are from SD sites. If you have a good friend. You and him can be on different sites. Which also saves you money. I was on secret benefits and he was on seeking. If we find someone interesting, and reasonable we will exchange info. As of now I am taking break from the sites. BC of the long list of girls that I have connections with. Really the posts was to say. Hey you don't need to throw large amounts of money to pick up some of these girls. If my friend and I are offering around the same amount. It helps keep the expectations reasonable. Granted these girls are average maybe some are a 7. But they are mostly regular girls with a jobs or in college. Not druggies from listcrawler missing teeth or have handlers. Yeah you can get them for 100 to 160. But to deal with all the BS is not worth it. I understand there are different strokes (level of girls) for different fokes (levels of wealth guys have).
Look hitting a 10 or 9 is great but most of those girls are a pain anyway. They act like their shit don't stink and paying 500 or more is just crazy to me. These chick's get picked up by guys with yachts anyway. Why even bother. If I see a profile with palm trees and lots of locations. I don't care how hot she is. I just skip to the next one.
Anyway here is girl that 1. 5 for me. I told her about my friend and she says don't say what you give me. Which I already did. Oops; But I told her. He's not rich so maybe 2. Now she is not in college and she is alittle bigger than I like but she works and has a daughter. Likes to please. Easy to deal with. I also let the girl know if she wants to hang out with someone else. BC I only see her maybe once a month. There are too many other girls. It's her choice. But whoever is giving her 3 or more is not being smart about their money. Yeah I could get one very hot girl that's 4 to 5 But I rather see 3 or 6 girls. That are more reasonable and are good-looking. Besides most these girls are chasing the money.
So yeah I used to only see one in the beginning on these SD sites and pay more. But now after a couple years being on these site. I found out you can actually offer them a lot less and it works out better. Why because when you offer Them more you expect more right. LOL these girls could careless. Yeah they can be nice to you. Seem like they like you. But as soon as some one else comes along and offers more they cancel or make some excuse. So now I don't have that issue. As there is always someone is there to fill the gap. I have already established connections. If I keep them in rotation it works alot better. Also having friend to find more too helps. I have noticed some guys saying 4 or 5. And when I see the pic and think hmm I was with her 3 weeks ago for 2. 5 . You guys are really offering too much. Hold out some. All these girls throw out large numbers. It's almost like the deposit scams. Some guys say ok to anything.
Mythbuster
06-20-23, 23:32
I agree. I almost always meet someone in public first. If they start saying something money for the first platonic meeting. I say I don't do that. I don't mind giving some gas money for you driving out to meet but that's it. If we continue to something more private. Yeah your gift gets a lot bigger. You guys that are paying 100 plus just to meet.
You might as well send girls deposits on STG. As it's most likely a scam or rinser.I applaud you and your buddy for fighting the good fight but people will aways pay whatever they want for whatever gets them off! As I age the most important thing to me is the experience. The price is secondary (within reason). When I was younger and wanted some action multiple times a week, cost was more of a concern. I've found a few doable women on seeking in the range you speak of and even though the bodies weren't perfect they were fun for a brief romp. Sometimes that's all I want. But sometimes I want a fuller experience and that's were I tend to pay more.
Have I paid in the 350-500 ranged for complete duds. A resounding yes! I've been that idiot who's seen a girl multiple times at more than she's worth on the hope that she'd be better next time. I let the faces and the bodies blind me!
But, I've also found gems in the 400-500 range. Solid 8's (on a tough scale) college educated (not that important but I appreciate being able to carry a conversation) that will spend 6-12 hours doing anything interesting including blow my mind in the sack. I understand that some guys can't get away for that kind of time but I enjoy it and it leaves me pretty satisfied for a week or more.
There is such a mixture of women on these site currently that there is something for everyone. If a woman says she wants more than you are offering, don't be afraid to ask what you're getting for that extra $$. You may be surprised or you may find that she's just doing a money grab! Some guys treat SB sites like a escort site for average girls and that's fine because some women treat it the same way. It's 200 for 1 hour and you might get 1. 25 hours. Some of these women are looking for the billionaire SD who takes them to Paris on the weekend. My sweet spot is somewhere in between!
Here are more text conversations and pics of girls in the 2 to 2. 5 range. If you are paying more. Maybe you can claim them on your taxes. Just remember you have control. If you act desperate. Girls will take advantage. My friend and I are not on S D. Sites. The sex friends list is long enough Sorry about not having the links. I am sure you can find them on the sites easily enough. If they turn your offer down and they are real. They usually come back to chat and they will usually accept your offer anyway. Happy hunting and don't throw your money away on being so generous as they will probably fuck for even cheaper than 2 bills.Check your PM's. Asked for a little help.
BTW, I know it's probably fairly obvious, but for clarity's sake, anyone that can tell me just what a rinser is exactly?What's a rinser? Girls who don't have any interest in going to bed with you. They want to be arm candy or just want free meals and money. They will suggest that they will be intimate with you. They will make an excuse at the end of the date. Saying my babysitter called or I am sorry next time I am having a bad headache or yeah I am interested I will text you later, but never do.
Just imagine a hot girl having 4 or 5 guys take them out to dinner or lunch each week and giving them 100 or more. If you are that guy. You are being rinsed. Or squeezed of your money.
It's definitely safer to meet in public and be polite about meeting. But when some girl says. Yeah I will meet but I want this or that. I say I am sorry I am not lonely. I looking for an intimate relationship. I don't mind a first platonic date. But I don't gift for that. If we vibe well and take it to another level you will get a gift for your time and companionship. Just be polite. You may give them a few dollars for gas to show you're not cheap. But other than that. You're throwing your money away.
Now if you like taking girls out paying for dinner and handing them hundreds of dollars. That's your choice. Personally I make it clear that I am not looking for that.
Holy Sheite
06-21-23, 07:41
I agree. I almost always meet someone in public first. If they start saying something money for the first platonic meeting. I say I don't do that. I don't mind giving some gas money for you driving out to meet but that's it. If we continue to something more private. Yeah your gift gets a lot bigger. You guys that are paying 100 plus just to meet.
You might as well send girls deposits on STG. As it's most likely a scam or rinser.I am a novice to SB. Usually just use AMPs.
What is SYG?
Thanks.
I am a novice to SB. Usually just use AMPs.
What is SYG?
Thanks.Skip The Games.
A website for pros to find customers. Mostly filled with scammers and bullshit.
I applaud you and your buddy for fighting the good fight but people will aways pay whatever they want for whatever gets them off! As I age the most important thing to me is the experience. The price is secondary (within reason). When I was younger and wanted some action multiple times a week, cost was more of a concern. I've found a few doable women on seeking in the range you speak of and even though the bodies weren't perfect they were fun for a brief romp. Sometimes that's all I want. But sometimes I want a fuller experience and that's were I tend to pay more.
Have I paid in the 350-500 ranged for complete duds. A resounding yes! I've been that idiot who's seen a girl multiple times at more than she's worth on the hope that she'd be better next time. I let the faces and the bodies blind me!
But, I've also found gems in the 400-500 range. Solid 8's (on a tough scale) college educated (not that important but I appreciate being able to carry a conversation) that will spend 6-12 hours doing anything interesting including blow my mind in the sack. I understand that some guys can't get away for that kind of time but I enjoy it and it leaves me pretty satisfied for a week or more.
There is such a mixture of women on these site currently that there is something for everyone. If a woman says she wants more than you are offering, don't be afraid to ask what you're getting for that extra $$. You may be surprised or you may find that she's just doing a money grab! Some guys treat SB sites like a escort site for average girls and that's fine because some women treat it the same way. It's 200 for 1 hour and you might get 1. 25 hours. Some of these women are looking for the billionaire SD who takes them to Paris on the weekend. My sweet spot is somewhere in between!I definitely agree with what you are saying. I work a lot 50 plus hours a week and have other investments that I have to keep an eye on. So I am very busy. Person. I work hard for what I have. I treat any girl that meet very fairly, more like friends with benefits. A lot are borderline escorts. I do try to weed them out. Scan other websites before meeting. Etc. I also say I don't have alot of time so I won't be using up your time. If they want to get alitle more personal and tell me about issues or what ever I listen and try to give them some good advice. One girl 22 said she is taking up cosmology and said she was thinking about being a dancer. I told her you really don't want to go there. Just do your school. Those place will chew you up and spit you out. The bottom line is I am not looking for want a be super models or escorts. More like the girl next door who likes sex and likes a little moolah. If its all about the money I tell them. You got the wrong guy. I have a decent amount of "friends" and it does help when you have another friend that helps find some gems too.
Mythbuster
06-21-23, 21:21
I definitely agree with what you are saying. I work a lot 50 plus hours a week and have other investments that I have to keep an eye on. So I am very busy. Person. I work hard for what I have. I treat any girl that meet very fairly, more like friends with benefits. A lot are borderline escorts. I do try to weed them out. Scan other websites before meeting. Etc. I also say I don't have alot of time so I won't be using up your time. If they want to get alitle more personal and tell me about issues or what ever I listen and try to give them some good advice. One girl 22 said she is taking up cosmology and said she was thinking about being a dancer. I told her you really don't want to go there. Just do your school. Those place will chew you up and spit you out. The bottom line is I am not looking for want a be super models or escorts. More like the girl next door who likes sex and likes a little moolah. If its all about the money I tell them. You got the wrong guy. I have a decent amount of "friends" and it does help when you have another friend that helps find some gems too.You bring up some good points:
1) You know what you're looking for. I found more success when I realized what I was looking for and excluded women who didn't fit my criteria.
2) You realize that you can offer more than your money.
The way these merge for me is that I like to build a relationship even if its just a one and done. Part of this is building a relationship that's not just based on money. I remember and instance where I got a SB talking and she stopped and said "do you really want to hear about this?" This tells me that even though this was a pretty attractive woman, no one even listens to what she has to say. I do better with the college or college educated girls because I understand the graduate from college work in some large organization life plan. I can't relate to the I want to work in a strip club girl. The only advice I can give her is to go back to school which probably wouldn't be what she wants to hear. Find beautiful women or ones that you find beautiful that you can relate to is a good start. Give them some Phillies tickets when you can't go to the game. Give them some advice, most of us are 15-30 years their senior. We have experience. All that goes a long way. When you get them in the sack they will give it all back to you and more.
Mythbuster
06-21-23, 22:26
Skip The Games.
A website for pros to find customers. Mostly filled with scammers and bullshit.Ugh, don't remind me of why I'm on the SB sites. All the escort sites suck in my opinion! If you're not not doing the AMP scene or the street scene, I think the best online option is the SB sites. I like Seeking and I've asked about Secret Benefits but is seems like a nickel and dime you to death site Is anyone finding success with what's your price?
I hate to beat a dead horse and jump on the "ridiculous expectations" bandwagon, but I genuinely hope I'm not the only one out there giving some of these ladies with unrealistic numbers a reality check. I've fished on both SA and SB and found similar levels of ridiculousness on both recently. Here are but a couple of the latest examples:
https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/3cceb2c0c979bd7c
This first one (little brunette) caught my eye because she is the type (physically) I generally go for. But when she said she was only available from 3-7 on weekdays and "usually gets" 600 ppm, I actually laughed. Loudly.
https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/4d80c051909eb8b4
This second one looked nice with the cleavage pics, but when you see her face in the profile video, and she says "my previous arrangements decided on 4-500 ppm" . I call bullshit.
I understand there is a huge difference between SW's, escorts, and true SB's. I've had very successful (long and short term) SB arrangements in the past. But these girls need to get off the Reddit Kool-Aid and realize what they are offering and expecting are worlds apart right now.
Rant over.
So I have been asked about some of these girls on private messages.
The girls are from either Secret benefits or Seeking. I don't see them regularly any more now. Because of scheduling differences, they faded or they got into a regular relationships with someone their own age or I dropped them Etc I may get a text saying hi. Or heyyy Because they want to meet up again. Those that I still see and or my friend sees. I am going to keep for myself for now. Plus some were pics that my friend had sent me and most are from 3 months or more ago. But they all were in the 150 to 300 range. 300 maybe for the first meeting with going private.
What do they want now? Is anyone's guess. Especially if you guys throw 400 or more at them. Granted my dates last an hour maybe 2. If you are seeing them for the whole day. Yeah 400 or 500 maybe worth it.
Just some advice. I know everyone is different but I don't ask them to do anything strange or ask for weird shit for them to do. Even though am a very busy person. I do have a lot of patience with new "friends" if they seem like they may like being tied up or being spank or doing something different or what ever that may seem strange to what is deemed normal. I take my time with all that stuff. I never start off with saying hey I want to do this or that to you. Some of these girls may say right for the get-go that they like to be kinky with differentthings. I usually don't meet chick's with all kinds of rules, because they come off too pro for me. I will make them feel like we can meet up again if they are in the range the seems reasonable to me and I do see them again. Sometimes, it's all how to present yourself.
I definitely wouldn't put all your eggs all in one basket. I would have meetings with multiple girls. Some may be every other week, some maybe once a month like clock work. Sometimes I may be meeting 3 girls in a week. I have been slowing down and not trying to do that. But that's what I am trying to say is. This works for me. I am constantly asked multiple times a week if I can hang out. My friends list is full.
I do have rules of my own. If they seem too pro they are out. If they flake on me they are out If they cancel on me. 2 to 3 times with in a month. Depending on if it's the last minute or if it's a day or so ago. They are out.
Almost all these girls say they want respect. I tell them. I will show you respect. But as soon as you disrespect me you are out. It's simple. Definitely don't get yourself too deep into one girl. You are just asking for trouble. These girls are all banging someone else don't let them fool you. Seriously and most will lie to keep their money pig. Meaning you in place. Have some common sense about yourself.
Either this chick has two profiles or the scammer is getting lazy using pics of the same lady for two different locations. I doubt she's real. If she is real, she's a full time pro.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2fa1f2af-a105-4c89-a276-37ea4369c957
https://members.seeking.com/member/bf910c38-4b31-4a8f-9e47-65eb50fe24c1
This lady was too easy to setup. So my escort radar was engaged. Then the day of the meet and greet, she wants to go directly to the hotel as her time was short that day. Yep. She's a pro. I went anyway, but met her in the parking lot in case the pics were way old to prevent Fatfishing. It was her. She's only slightly thicker than her pics. Yes, it was an escort experience as I expected. I just wanted to get the poison out. She only stayed 45 minutes. 1 pop. I won't repeat. Maybe other gents will have a more enjoyable result with her.
https://members.seeking.com/member/bf24c968-bbbd-4789-bb8f-839929921fe8
This lady wants 1. 5 k ppm or 6 k a month. I told her her previous guy was a gem and she should have never let him go. Next.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2a9ebf48-5af7-4b76-ad1c-e1e5573fc2e0
This lady wants 1. 5 k ppm or 6 k a month. I told her her previous guy was a gem and she should have never let him go. Next.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2a9ebf48-5af7-4b76-ad1c-e1e5573fc2e0Jesus. Amy Anderssen, a bonafide porn start who still looks amazing (this girl has no chest at all) and isn't even past her 30's yet, only asks for 8 bennis. Sure that's for one hour but honestly, do you need that much more time to get, at best, 2 nuts off with, I will repeat, an actual porn star?
Mythbuster
06-23-23, 17:34
I hate to beat a dead horse and jump on the "ridiculous expectations" bandwagon, but I genuinely hope I'm not the only one out there giving some of these ladies with unrealistic numbers a reality check. I've fished on both SA and SB and found similar levels of ridiculousness on both recently. Here are but a couple of the latest examples:
https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/3cceb2c0c979bd7c
This first one (little brunette) caught my eye because she is the type (physically) I generally go for. But when she said she was only available from 3-7 on weekdays and "usually gets" 600 ppm, I actually laughed. Loudly.
https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/4d80c051909eb8b4
This second one looked nice with the cleavage pics, but when you see her face in the profile video, and she says "my previous arrangements decided on 4-500 ppm" . I call bullshit..Of course these women throw out numbers from 400-600. These are manageable starting points in my mind. I'm used to 250-500 (but never 500 on an unknown). If I'm willing to pay 400. I don't tell them that if they ask me to give a number 1st just like they won't tell you how low they will go when giving a number 1st. In my experience 500 means, I'll take 400 and 600 means I'll take 500.400 often means 350 and 300 if I really like you. 1 K means, I'm too lazy to even continue that conversation and she can move to the next target.
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-23-23, 17:41
I hate to beat a dead horse and jump on the "ridiculous expectations" bandwagon, but I genuinely hope I'm not the only one out there giving some of these ladies with unrealistic numbers a reality check. I've fished on both SA and SB and found similar levels of ridiculousness on both recently. Here are but a couple of the latest examples:
https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/3cceb2c0c979bd7c
This first one (little brunette) caught my eye because she is the type (physically) I generally go for. But when she said she was only available from 3-7 on weekdays and "usually gets" 600 ppm, I actually laughed. Loudly.
https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/4d80c051909eb8b4
This second one looked nice with the cleavage pics, but when you see her face in the profile video, and she says "my previous arrangements decided on 4-500 ppm" . I call bullshit.
I understand there is a huge difference between SW's, escorts, and true SB's. I've had very successful (long and short term) SB arrangements in the past. But these girls need to get off the Reddit Kool-Aid and realize what they are offering and expecting are worlds apart right now.
Rant over.Standard PPMs are at least 300 these days. You may be able to shell out less than that but don't hold your breath.
I've noticed that before covid you had a solid chance of meeting up at a bar or cafe and planning to go back to your place without negotiating on a specific number for PPM. Nowadays, stating what your PPM is over text is required. In fact, giving estimated ranges of PPM is no longer accepted. In short, girls will not meet you unless you tell them specifically over text your exact dollar amount PPM. Most of the time there is no way to budge off this, you either give the exact number or they won't meet.
With that being said, anything lower than a 300 PPM offering gets you an immediate response of "sorry this isn't going to work. I wish you luck, good bye!
You could try to finesse your way into giving a lower PPM by drawing it out over text and using advanced negotiation tactics. You would have to start at the low end of her PPM scale and then try to knock the number down from there through negotiation. Not easy to do at all through text and most of the time it doesn't work, very low success rate.
To get a sure fire result and skip through all of this mess, you'd have to be willing to offer 400 or 500 PPM as a baseline for all girls. This is something I highly highly do not recommend in doing. For various reasons. The first is that the experience you will get will most likely not be worth it. And the second is that you are ramping up market rates in your area significantly, and causing more damage to the bowl in your area as a whole. If all the guys in the area keep prices low, then that will help all of us in the long run, because the SBs can do nothing about it. It's only when the whales decide to start dumping way too much money down which leads to problems.
My prediction is that ever since seeking has gotten harder and harder in the last few years, the guys that have money and are uber rich (most likely not browsing this forum) have decided to increase their PPMs by a LOT. These whales are noticing that the competition is getting fierce, so their response is to double and triple up their PPMs. Which is why you will see some of these girls claiming that they're getting much higher PPMs than before, such as 600-800+.
So to summarize: the girls are increasing PPMs due to inflation and other factors, competition for these girls gets fiercer on seeking, the guys are responding by shelling out higher and higher PPM, this reinforces the high prices.
Even if most guys do not increase their PPMs, all it takes is a few whales to give some of the more desirable girls these very high PPMs. These more desirable girls then post and brag about it on social media such as reddit and tik tok, and suddenly now all of the average girls are brain washed into thinking they can get these higher PPMs too. And that's how you end up in the situation we are in now where every girl is asking for high PPM.
In short, the situation is not good and I don't see it improving. In fact quite the opposite, I see things and I see seeking getting worse as time goes on.
Standard PPMs are at least 300 these days. You may be able to shell out less than that but don't hold your breath.
I've noticed that before covid you had a solid chance of meeting up at a bar or cafe and planning to go back to your place without negotiating on a specific number for PPM. Nowadays, stating what your PPM is over text is required. In fact, giving estimated ranges of PPM is no longer accepted. In short, girls will not meet you unless you tell them specifically over text your exact dollar amount PPM. Most of the time there is no way to budge off this, you either give the exact number or they won't meet.
With that being said, anything lower than a 300 PPM offering gets you an immediate response of "sorry this isn't going to work. I wish you luck, good bye!
You could try to finesse your way into giving a lower PPM by drawing it out over text and using advanced negotiation tactics. You would have to start at the low end of her PPM scale and then try to knock the number down from there through negotiation. Not easy to do at all through text and most of the time it doesn't work, very low success rate.
To get a sure fire result and skip through all of this mess, you'd have to be willing to offer 400 or 500 PPM as a baseline for all girls. This is something I highly highly do not recommend in doing. For various reasons. The first is that the experience you will get will most likely not be worth it. And the second is that you are ramping up market rates in your area significantly, and causing more damage to the bowl in your area as a whole. If all the guys in the area keep prices low, then that will help all of us in the long run, because the SBs can do nothing about it. It's only when the whales decide to start dumping way too much money down which leads to problems.
My prediction is that ever since seeking has gotten harder and harder in the last few years, the guys that have money and are uber rich (most likely not browsing this forum) have decided to increase their PPMs by a LOT. These whales are noticing that the competition is getting fierce, so their response is to double and triple up their PPMs. Which is why you will see some of these girls claiming that they're getting much higher PPMs than before, such as 600-800+.
So to summarize: the girls are increasing PPMs due to inflation and other factors, competition for these girls gets fiercer on seeking, the guys are responding by shelling out higher and higher PPM, this reinforces the high prices.
Even if most guys do not increase their PPMs, all it takes is a few whales to give some of the more desirable girls these very high PPMs. These more desirable girls then post and brag about it on social media such as reddit and tik tok, and suddenly now all of the average girls are brain washed into thinking they can get these higher PPMs too. And that's how you end up in the situation we are in now where every girl is asking for high PPM.
In short, the situation is not good and I don't see it improving. In fact quite the opposite, I see things and I see seeking getting worse as time goes on.I've talked about this in the past in other threads but essentially, the stock market went bonkers over the pandemic and the fed injected a ton of liquidity into the market before and during the pandemic which is why you have all these dystopian distortions.
The boomers with $$ are ruining it for everyone else.
Standard PPMs are at least 300 these days. You may be able to shell out less than that but don't hold your breath.
I've noticed that before covid you had a solid chance of meeting up at a bar or cafe and planning to go back to your place without negotiating on a specific number for PPM. Nowadays, stating what your PPM is over text is required. In fact, giving estimated ranges of PPM is no longer accepted. In short, girls will not meet you unless you tell them specifically over text your exact dollar amount PPM. Most of the time there is no way to budge off this, you either give the exact number or they won't meet.
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To get a sure fire result and skip through all of this mess, you'd have to be willing to offer 400 or 500 PPM as a baseline for all girls...
My prediction is that ever since seeking has gotten harder and harder in the last few years, the guys that have money and are uber rich (most likely not browsing this forum) have decided to increase their PPMs by a LOT. These whales are noticing that the competition is getting fierce, so their response is to double and triple up their PPMs. Which is why you will see some of these girls claiming that they're getting much higher PPMs than before, such as 600-800+.I've been in this game (quietly) for years. I'm not above investing 3-400 in a quality girl (ppm) that truly knows what a SB is. But there's no way in hell I'm donating 6-700 to an unknown entity let alone 4-500 for a below average looking one. I'll keep playing the game and fighting the good fight. At least until I get bored and retire LOL.
Next case in point. Cute but too thick to be expecting 700 ppm:
https://members.seeking.com/member/7bb081a5-a553-40f4-ac32-6535e02dfbe1
I met her maybe 2 years ago and I was newish for S. A. She a SW by the looks of things I could not find anything at the time. Running her number or scanning other sites. She had her own room in Camden on a busy street with row homes. She was about 2. 0 or 2 5 for what she wanted. Looks alot rougher than her pics and that was 2 years ago. Definitely rap it up. I still went forward even though everything was sus and there were some young dudes hanging outside. So in the middle of it all. Someone bangs on the door. Another girl pops in and says Joe schmoe left his tools and is coming to get them. Now it definitely sounds like a scam. So I got dressed and was out the door. She did run after me and said she wanted to finish and was very sorry. She did seem legit. But my momentum was gone she even texted me again. But she was definitely not up to what I am looking for in terms of someone that was posing as a non pro. Maybe she is legit now. But I wouldn't trust it.
Just some more advice on these inflated prices. You guys can definitely get these girls for 3 and under. First the economiy pulling back. You have to reflect to them that you are a safe individual and not some perv. If you are acting all rich and shit. Yeah, I would charge you up, too. If you pester them and act all desperate. Yeah, you are going to get charged up. Take your time. Have some small talk ask them how are you doing and don't jump into the sex talk right away. Jeeze these girl are people too. Now I don't screw around either. I probably blocked more girls than they have me. That's another reason why I don't have links. If the arrangement didn't work or they flaked I block them or they have GPS. So when you block these high end girls they start to think. Maybe I was just lucky or maybe I am alittle high. Have some back bone guys. If a large amount of dudes start standing their ground some will come back to earth. I am not even active on seeking I have over 40 messages, and that was about a month. LOL yeah 95 percent are time wasters, scammers and GPS. But when I activate my account I am sure I will have no problem pulling a few decent girls for 3 or under. I do understand some of you guys don't have time for all that and just want to get it on. I think some of my appeal to all this is I am pulling average young girls that you would see in the store or walking down the street. I would say dam I would like some of that. The funny thing BC of SB sites you can, you meet them and 30 minutes later you are, give them a few Benz But if you did that outside to random girls and you didn't present yourself right. You might be talking to the popo.
Mythbuster
06-24-23, 09:42
When I was buying my 1st car in the late 80's early 90's for about 15 K new, a good escort cost 150-200. Almost 30 years later, I just can find the energy to complain that a SB wants 300-500. Of course I have met talked to more women above that range than below it. I'm still amazed when a non druggie or non SW is offering services at escort prices from 30 years ago. I think our complaints on prices speak to the stagnation of the middle class. Many professionals in the industries like tech make 4 to 5 times what they made in the 90's. So I totally understand both sides of this argument.
Holy Sheite
06-24-23, 09:45
So I signed up for SB about two weeks ago and bought some credits. I quickly established communications with several women and a few seemed promising. We had nice chats, agreed to meeting, I proposed PPM of $200 and they agreed and said they would like to meet. I proposed several days / or evenings and at that point, the conversations tend to drop, but lo and behold, another new "friend" shows up on SB wanting to get together and the process starts over. Not sure if I'm imagining it, or do they have really good AI bots that carry on conversations really well to get you to keep clicking?
Seems like there's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear. (sorry Steve Stills!
Anyone else see this? Or am I too paranoid from reading too much into it?
So I signed up for SB about two weeks ago and bought some credits. I quickly established communications with several women and a few seemed promising. We had nice chats, agreed to meeting, I proposed PPM of $200 and they agreed and said they would like to meet. I proposed several days / or evenings and at that point, the conversations tend to drop, but lo and behold, another new "friend" shows up on SB wanting to get together and the process starts over. Not sure if I'm imagining it, or do they have really good AI bots that carry on conversations really well to get you to keep clicking?
Seems like there's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear. (sorry Steve Stills!
Anyone else see this? Or am I too paranoid from reading too much into it?Delete your account right now. Trust me, all you'll be doing is wasting money on the sites that make you pay for those fucking moronic credits. Regardless of it's just flakes or scammers or bots, they want to slowly leech money away from you via the micro transaction method that free to play video games use. Go on subscription based ones instead.
https://members.seeking.com/member/fb358180-d6be-456c-8bac-dc086ebd8af1
This one IS real but she immediately starts with the sob stories. "Cash app me please, I need money for gas / food / bills" I know she isn't a fake because I had her do a verification pic but she figures she'll convince guys with her pics and just wants to get what she can then ditch. She was also going by Sadiexoxo but that account was closed so already a red flag.
On that note, what do the rest of you guys do with girls you do like mostly, but who want you to always send them money because of them being so poor? I was seeing one woman but she started to keep asking for more and more help without an actual meet. Sure we did still meet but every few days it was "I need money for food" or "My phone is going to turn off I need a little help for paying the bill" Usually 40-60 which isn't a lot but it started to get really annoying. How do you guys handle that?
I saw the first one in black top and colored panties. Sydney.
Met her over 2 years ago. Wouldn't let me finish in her mouth and no bare sex.
Recently we reconnected.
And now I recall why I let her go.
She's unreliable to start.
Was supposed to meet on a Monday night at my house 8 pm.
Messaged her multiple times that night with no reply.
Finally at 10 pm she lets me know something came up.
Same shit on Tuesday.
Wednesday asks to meet at 6 pm.
I said yes but please shower and groom before you come.
Ends up texting me at 8 pm that she's on her way.
I asked did she shower? She tells me in the morning.
Fuck!! I should have cancelled.
She shows up looking like she just rolled out of bed.
Sweatpants. Tube socks. Hair tied up.
Brings her backpack in and plugs in her laptop.
Goes into the bathroom and grabs a washcloth to clean herself.
At this point I can't turn back.
$200. Bbj and BBFS.
I had to show proof of an std test and vasectomy to get that.
15 min later she's on her way home.
I text her the next day telling her I'm not interested in seeing her again.
She had the nerve to say she isn't either because I'm cheap and she normally gets $400-500.
I said WTF. You Show up unshowered and look like you just woke up.
Cancelled 2 Nights and then show up over 2 hrs late the 3rd night.
I tell her every woman I've met showered and groomed before coming.
I would definitely avoid her. I don't know who the fuck is crazy enough pay her $400.
This is why my first meet is always limited to $100 BJ or $200 BBFS for a quick meet.
Call me cheap but I'm not wasting $500 on an unknown encounter.
A friend of mine. Or my friend had a dream. LOL.
Let's just say someone I might know told me he sticks to 150 to 250.
Now he sent me some pics to back it up. Granted these aren't all day meetings. Maybe an hour. One event, for multiple events in one day maybe more. No dinners etc. He stills sees some of them. So no links sorry, but if you been with them I am sure you might know them.
Girls aren't 10's. Maybe 6's and 7's. Some are alittle chunky, but he does like big breast. For One or two of the girls the meeting didn't happen, but the amount was agreed on. My friend is 50 plus years old over 6 ft fit. Nothing special.
Now to help keep things in check. My friend and I were told by a few of the girls on one of these S D sites. Now they said this BC they were mad that I didn't agree to there numbers. But I keep this in my head while chatting with them. "What normal man pays for sex". I say to myself and them. Which she is kind of right. I just say what's it worth. Hmm. Well, a girl that's at least half my age. Average to good looking. Does almost everything I want sexually and I don't need to take them anywere. Yeah that's probably good for couple Benz. Definitely not 400 or 500. I am middle-class at best. I tell myself if I would have put that extra 200 to 300 which adds up to alot in a month into the stock market or even gold, bitcoin etc. I would be up alot more. Now if you have cash to burn. Great. My friend and I are are just trying to keep the numbers at a reasonable level. But to each is own. My friend and I may do 3. For the first meet. On going NO.
Also please get yourself check out.
Trick is floating around and guys can have zero symptoms. If you go bare. It's probably better to pull out then to leave your stuff in them, so you don't have stuff swimming back in you. Take a piss and wash your junk.
Mythbuster
06-25-23, 19:13
Delete your account right now. Trust me, all you'll be doing is wasting money on the sites that make you pay for those fucking moronic credits. Regardless of it's just flakes or scammers or bots, they want to slowly leech money away from you via the micro transaction method that free to play video games use. Go on subscription based ones instead.
https://members.seeking.com/member/fb358180-d6be-456c-8bac-dc086ebd8af1
This one IS real but she immediately starts with the sob stories. "Cash app me please, I need money for gas / food / bills" I know she isn't a fake because I had her do a verification pic but she figures she'll convince guys with her pics and just wants to get what she can then ditch. She was also going by Sadiexoxo but that account was closed so already a red flag.
On that note, what do the rest of you guys do with girls you do like mostly, but who want you to always send them money because of them being so poor? I was seeing one woman but she started to keep asking for more and more help without an actual meet. Sure we did still meet but every few days it was "I need money for food" or "My phone is going to turn off I need a little help for paying the bill" Usually 40-60 which isn't a lot but it started to get really annoying. How do you guys handle that?I learned a long time ago to never deal with desperate people! If they care that much about the money or some substance, they'll do anything to get it, even put your safety at risk!
Mythbuster
06-25-23, 19:47
Delete your account right now. Trust me, all you'll be doing is wasting money on the sites that make you pay for those fucking moronic credits. Regardless of it's just flakes or scammers or bots, they want to slowly leech money away from you via the micro transaction method that free to play video games use. Go on subscription based ones instead.
https://members.seeking.com/member/fb358180-d6be-456c-8bac-dc086ebd8af1
This one IS real but she immediately starts with the sob stories. "Cash app me please, I need money for gas / food / bills" I know she isn't a fake because I had her do a verification pic but she figures she'll convince guys with her pics and just wants to get what she can then ditch. She was also going by Sadiexoxo but that account was closed so already a red flag.
On that note, what do the rest of you guys do with girls you do like mostly, but who want you to always send them money because of them being so poor? I was seeing one woman but she started to keep asking for more and more help without an actual meet. Sure we did still meet but every few days it was "I need money for food" or "My phone is going to turn off I need a little help for paying the bill" Usually 40-60 which isn't a lot but it started to get really annoying. How do you guys handle that?I learned a long time ago to never deal with desperate people! If they care that much about the money or some substance, they'll do anything to get it, even put your safety at risk!
Will only be in the area for a few weeks this summer. So not what I'm looking for. Maybe staying with family. Maybe a traveling pro. Next.
https://members.seeking.com/member/26293d69-92a1-4eed-85e5-f9d6b7a7225c
I like Seeking and I've asked about Secret Benefits but is seems like a nickel and dime you to death site Is anyone finding success with what's your price?You think SB nickels and dimes you to death? WYP is as bad, PLUS they have LOTS of EXPLICIT warnings that say, sex should never be expected on a first date. Girls take this seriously, guys do not. So why am I gunna agree to pay $200+ to meet a girl, for what essentially is a M&G?
Also WYP is explicit about the fact that once you agree to a date, which requires a specific $ amount, you have a CONTRACT and have to follow through. But who is gunna sue you over that? But many dudes fall for this BS! It is a rinser's paradise there. Mooks willing to pay 200,300 or more just for a M&G style date. Girl eats and drinks on you, and then begs off any further activity. Great gig for a girl, terrible for a dude.
Oh sure, have read stories from dudes who have had success there. Me, tried it once, came up snake eyes and never wasted money on that again. Why not just stick with SA and work on your game? I found my initial approach didn't work so well, but after some refinement, with help from others here, I've had better success!
Mythbuster
06-26-23, 13:31
Will only be in the area for a few weeks this summer. So not what I'm looking for. Maybe staying with family. Maybe a traveling pro. Next.
https://members.seeking.com/member/26293d69-92a1-4eed-85e5-f9d6b7a7225cI normally don't trust post like that but I would lean non pro. A traveling pros seem less likely to hide their faces. I think a pro would tend to target Wilmington over Newark. And Newark is a college town so this screams of I'm taking a class or two at the local university and want to make some easy money on the side.
Mythbuster
06-26-23, 13:37
You think SB nickels and dimes you to death? WYP is as bad, PLUS they have LOTS of EXPLICIT warnings that say, sex should never be expected on a first date. Girls take this seriously, guys do not. So why am I gunna agree to pay $200+ to meet a girl, for what essentially is a M&G?
Also WYP is explicit about the fact that once you agree to a date, which requires a specific $ amount, you have a CONTRACT and have to follow through. But who is gunna sue you over that? But many dudes fall for this BS! It is a rinser's paradise there. Mooks willing to pay 200,300 or more just for a M&G style date. Girl eats and drinks on you, and then begs off any further activity. Great gig for a girl, terrible for a dude.
Oh sure, have read stories from dudes who have had success there. Me, tried it once, came up snake eyes and never wasted money on that again. Why not just stick with SA and work on your game? I found my initial approach didn't work so well, but after some refinement, with help from others here, I've had better success!It's the allure of new faces that had me interested but thanks for the info. I've heard from people privately that say the same thing. SA actually works great for me. I've been on a lot of low pressure non paid M&Gs.
What's the profit model for WYP. Do they hold he money and take a small portion?
I normally don't trust post like that but I would lean non pro. A traveling pros seem less likely to hide their faces. I think a pro would tend to target Wilmington over Newark. And Newark is a college town so this screams of I'm taking a class or two at the local university and want to make some easy money on the side.Your logic feels sound Myth. I'm leaning toward the college girl in for a summer semester now. But still. I'd rather start something with a chick that can become more long term. It's such a pain in the ass to find a compatible chick who is attractive and reasonable. If I find one, I hope to have it last a bit longer than a few weeks.
She's only available after 500 pm weekdays. Will meet on weekends. That doesn't work for me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/c7e350b9-609c-4819-8360-6e30d8718594
When I was buying my 1st car in the late 80's early 90's for about 15 K new, a good escort cost 150-200. Almost 30 years later, I just can find the energy to complain that a SB wants 300-500. Of course I have met talked to more women above that range than below it. I'm still amazed when a non druggie or non SW is offering services at escort prices from 30 years ago. I think our complaints on prices speak to the stagnation of the middle class. Many professionals in the industries like tech make 4 to 5 times what they made in the 90's. So I totally understand both sides of this argument.I was literally just thinking about that. In my nearly 40 years mongering, prices have been remarkably stable. I would also add, the supply has gone up significantly (whether that is a QUALITY supply is open for discussion). My first girl out of the gate cost me 250. My date Saturday night cost me 250.
Mythbuster
06-28-23, 13:20
I was literally just thinking about that. In my nearly 40 years mongering, prices have been remarkably stable. I would also add, the supply has gone up significantly (whether that is a QUALITY supply is open for discussion). My first girl out of the gate cost me 250. My date Saturday night cost me 250.Yeah, It's kind of crazy if you're an old timer. It's kind of like he price of drugs. Though I guess there are no more nickel bags! (I could be completely wrong on that) I'd agree that the supply is up since any girl with the internet and a desire to make a little cash can put out her shingle. As far as quality, there seems to be a huge range. You have girls with open sores and drug addictions at one end and instagram models with PHDs on the other end!
I was literally just thinking about that. In my nearly 40 years mongering, prices have been remarkably stable. I would also add, the supply has gone up significantly (whether that is a QUALITY supply is open for discussion). My first girl out of the gate cost me 250. My date Saturday night cost me 250.When I first got on seeking around 7+ years ago, I was meeting women for 15 min car dates during lunch time.
60 BBJCIM or 100 BBFS.
This was from college girls and young attractive single moms.
Probably met at least 20 over a 2 year period and all were great experiences.
These were the days before OF and tiktok.
Life was great until I got permanently banned from SE.
Been on and off seeking the last 3 years. Divorced so all new address and credit card on the site.
I aim for $100/$200 and it's hard to get but possible with average looking mid aged women and it's a lot of work.
But now the college / young moms want $300/$500 for the same services.
So I don't agree that prices have been steady compared to what I initially paid.
Mythbuster
06-28-23, 17:59
When I first got on seeking around 7+ years ago, I was meeting women for 15 min car dates during lunch time.
60 BBJCIM or 100 BBFS.
This was from college girls and young attractive single moms.
Probably met at least 20 over a 2 year period and all were great experiences.
These were the days before OF and tiktok.
Life was great until I got permanently banned from SE.
Been on and off seeking the last 3 years. Divorced so all new address and credit card on the site.
I aim for $100/$200 and it's hard to get but possible with average looking mid aged women and it's a lot of work.
But now the college / young moms want $300/$500 for the same services.
So I don't agree that prices have been steady compared to what I initially paid.I would agree that SA has changed but I think you need to look at the entire market of sex work over a longer period of time. The internet had a big effect on bringing down or maintaining prices in the early 2000's. I would point out that you were paying $100 for a 15 minute car date! That's $400 an hour. You're obviously younger than me because I wouldn't be capable of having good sex in a car! Now that you have more freedom and time, you could find what you're looking for for multiple hours if you were paying $400. If you're paying $100, yes you best bet is a SW, but it would probably cost you less. So maybe the floor for the non SW is higher but I don't think the ceiling for these services has risen much. There is a ton of competition online. SA has all kinds of women, some want to be SBs and some just want to grab some money as quick as possible. No, you probably can't find a college girl who wants to be a SB to do a car date for $100, but you can probably find a girl to pretend to be a college coed and do a car date.
I would agree that SA has changed but I think you need to look at the entire market of sex work over a longer period of time. The internet had a big effect on bringing down or maintaining prices in the early 2000's. I would point out that you were paying $100 for a 15 minute car date! That's $400 an hour. You're obviously younger than me because I wouldn't be capable of having good sex in a car! Now that you have more freedom and time, you could find what you're looking for for multiple hours if you were paying $400. If you're paying $100, yes you best bet is a SW, but it would probably cost you less. So maybe the floor for the non SW is higher but I don't think the ceiling for these services has risen much. There is a ton of competition online. SA has all kinds of women, some want to be SBs and some just want to grab some money as quick as possible. No, you probably can't find a college girl who wants to be a SB to do a car date for $100, but you can probably find a girl to pretend to be a college coed and do a car date.I don't do car dates anymore since I can host but the college coed in seeking are asking 300-500 when I tell them I only want 20-30 min first date.
It's to gauge sexual compatibility and weed out the rip-offs.
Mythbuster
06-29-23, 08:32
I don't do car dates anymore since I can host but the college coed in seeking are asking 300-500 when I tell them I only want 20-30 min first date.
It's to gauge sexual compatibility and weed out the rip-offs.I think you are unintentionally asking for more services at the same price. Picking up a girl on or near campus for some quick fun for 100 is significantly different for the girl than driving or catching a bus to your place to spend 20 minutes making 100. She's going to spend maybe an hour on combined travel even if you're pretty close to her location. Don't label me a 'white knight' or anything but I wouldn't travel an hour to watch TV with a stranger for 15 minutes at their house for 100. Gas cost too much and the opportunities that they are missing out on are too great. In some sense they have a lot of free time so, they'd probably rather spend 3 hours with one guy for 300-500 who might even buy them a drink or dinner than trying to deal with 5 different guys all paying 100 for 20 minutes. That's just the reality of a sugar baby website. The women you are looking for may have migrated to sites like WYP or one of those backpage / craigslist wannabe rip off sites.
Bringing this all back to stagnant cost. It seems to me that the quality that I used to pay 250-350 for 20-30 years ago for a clock watching 1 hour can be had for multiple hours at 400-500, sometimes most of a day if you're into that sort of thing.
Anyone know anything about her? Normally tons of tattoos aren't my thing but she has a really sexy look of "bad ass hot white trash girl" about her. Feels a little like a guilty pleasure.
https://members.seeking.com/member/511829a9-0e8e-426d-abcc-53db1de3a7d1
Anyone know anything about her? Normally tons of tattoos aren't my thing but she has a really sexy look of "bad ass hot white trash girl" about her. Feels a little like a guilty pleasure.
https://members.seeking.com/member/511829a9-0e8e-426d-abcc-53db1de3a7d1I think she wanted to meet one of our brethren directly at her hotel. Gave off pro vibes. High volume chick. He passed. I don't blame him. There was a post about her. Use the last 8 digits of the URL in the searchbar for this thread and the post should pop up.
Burbs Monger
06-29-23, 12:41
Excellent point Myth. This is the logic I use with potential sbs. I subscribe to "cheap is not good and good is not cheap." Although I have been off SA for almost a year because it just sucks anymore, I can say that some college ladies can be had for similar prices that were offered years back. I am fortunate to live in an area with lots of colleges within a reasonable driving distance. The ground game still works and I have had some success in the 200-300 area with very nice college ladies needing some quick cash for 2-4 hrs of their time. Of course summer creates another challenge but my pipeline I has a steady rotation of variety for the dry summer. The beach is a great place to hunt and if you are fortunate enough to have a beach house, like myself, that always helps.
Be Safe.
I think you are unintentionally asking for more services at the same price. Picking up a girl on or near campus for some quick fun for 100 is significantly different for the girl than driving or catching a bus to your place to spend 20 minutes making 100. She's going to spend maybe an hour on combined travel even if you're pretty close to her location. Don't label me a 'white knight' or anything but I wouldn't travel an hour to watch TV with a stranger for 15 minutes at their house for 100. Gas cost too much and the opportunities that they are missing out on are too great. In some sense they have a lot of free time so, they'd probably rather spend 3 hours with one guy for 300-500 who might even buy them a drink or dinner than trying to deal with 5 different guys all paying 100 for 20 minutes. That's just the reality of a sugar baby website. The women you are looking for may have migrated to sites like WYP or one of those backpage / craigslist wannabe rip off sites.
Bringing this all back to stagnant cost. It seems to me that the quality that I used to pay 250-350 for 20-30 years ago for a clock watching 1 hour can be had for multiple hours at 400-500, sometimes most of a day if you're into that sort of thing.
I think she wanted to meet one of our brethren directly at her hotel. Gave off pro vibes. High volume chick. He passed. I don't blame him. There was a post about her. Use the last 8 digits of the URL in the searchbar for this thread and the post should pop up.Hey HT, I chatted with her and reviewed that chat. She wanted me to pick her up and take her to a hotel directly. That may be perfect for some. She was polite at my decline. I did not get info on the donation because I'm not interested in that stuff these days. Happy hunting and ty for all the info.
WildBabydoll- she looks pretty naughty. I can't get a response back though. Has anyone chatted with, or seen her?
https://members.seeking.com/member/e9cb58a6-4d5c-413a-b7b6-ea73d8fe2717
UsaBlinkGuy11
06-29-23, 23:12
Sugar babies have more knowledge around seeking now compared to 6-7 years ago. There's Youtube channels, tik tok, reddit, word of mouth, etc. Most girls on seeking have pretty much adopted the standard routine of doing things. The top of the list of this routine is to no longer accept anything below 300 PPM. Yes there are still some girls that you can get below this amount, but it is harder compared to before and there's not that many of these girls anymore.
Seeking is actually struggling really badly right now in terms of user base. Sugar daddies are leaving and so are sugar babies. The only people still using the site are sugar babies that are standing firm on their standards, some are happy paying high prices for mediocre services (they don't understand that paying high PPMs will not get them the quality experience they are looking for), and other sugar daddies that are still grinding it out and trying to make it work.
The only people winning in all this are that have the patience to sift through a lot of nonsense to find quality girls that will give them a quality experience, of course at a high end PPM. And the sugar babies that are able to take advantage of dudes spending way too much money and not understanding what they are getting.
It's important to realize that just because you pay 400-500+ PPM, that does not guarantee you a solid experience. The way that 400-500 or higher PPM came to be the standard is because this is right now the "acceptable ceiling" that most men who have money will be willing to pay for an attractive girl. It has nothing to do at all with offering an experience that is worthy of a 400 or 500 dollar price tag, zero relevance whatsoever. The whole point of sugar babies enforcing this amount of PPM is purely for money extraction purposes. I. e: how much money can be asked for while still keeping it within reason for most men that have money.
There's a lot of issues with the site right now. A lot of girls on there have no interest in offering a quality intimate experience. So your amount of PPM offered is irrelevant. I don't think people understand how much grinding is actually required these days to find a solid chick.
Sugar babies have more knowledge around seeking now compared to 6-7 years ago. There's Youtube channels, tik tok, reddit, word of mouth, etc. Most girls on seeking have pretty much adopted the standard routine of doing things. The top of the list of this routine is to no longer accept anything below 300 PPM. Yes there are still some girls that you can get below this amount, but it is harder compared to before and there's not that many of these girls anymore.
Seeking is actually struggling really badly right now in terms of user base. Sugar daddies are leaving and so are sugar babies. The only people still using the site are sugar babies that are standing firm on their standards, some are happy paying high prices for mediocre services (they don't understand that paying high PPMs will not get them the quality experience they are looking for), and other sugar daddies that are still grinding it out and trying to make it work.
The only people winning in all this are that have the patience to sift through a lot of nonsense to find quality girls that will give them a quality experience, of course at a high end PPM. And the sugar babies that are able to take advantage of dudes spending way too much money and not understanding what they are getting.
It's important to realize that just because you pay 400-500+ PPM, that does not guarantee you a solid experience. The way that 400-500 or higher PPM came to be the standard is because this is right now the "acceptable ceiling" that most men who have money will be willing to pay for an attractive girl. It has nothing to do at all with offering an experience that is worthy of a 400 or 500 dollar price tag, zero relevance whatsoever. The whole point of sugar babies enforcing this amount of PPM is purely for money extraction purposes. I. e: how much money can be asked for while still keeping it within reason for most men that have money.
There's a lot of issues with the site right now. A lot of girls on there have no interest in offering a quality intimate experience. So your amount of PPM offered is irrelevant. I don't think people understand how much grinding is actually required these days to find a solid chick.Oh gosh, I hate to say so, but I disagree. I see all kinds of reasoning to explain higher prices and it just ain't so.
I mean I just got done with a repeat date with a smoking hot, spinner girl who is not yet drinking age, but eligible to vote. At out first encounter she asked for 500-700 ppm because, "that is what I got from the last SD. " I told her she better track that dude down and line him up again. In the end she agreed to hit the FC for 200! Now admittedly because the date was so passionate and she performed better than expected for a girl that age, I gave her a little something extra.
Then there was the M&G girl from last week. Nice slender girl, but a "LSD" type, so more GND than not. She wanted 500 at the M&G. I mentioned that a recent SB was hitting the Notel for a 3-hour date for $175, but for her I'd go to 200. She quickly dropped to 300!
I mean I have had at least 3 SBs since the pandemic that were sub 200.
What I have found is that it takes a bit more patience than it did before. Yes, girls get on websites or chat blogs and get some education, but often that needs to be adjusted, to counter the lies other girls tell. Also I have found that if after 3-6 months my approach on a site isn't yielding results, it is time to make adjustments and adapt. For me this has always been the hardest part as I rarely put on airs and just do me. But there are many ways to do me, and if one approach isn't working, I need to do another.
So no, I don't agree that you HAVE to be in the 400-500 range to get these girls. IMHO the more willing a dude is to walk away, the more chances he has to get a lower offer. Girls can smell desperation. By walking away, if nothing else, a dude contributes to the greater good by educating the girls on what the market will bear.
Another general issue is that MANY dudes use the SB sites like an escort site. They are really just interested in a one off sexual encounter and then move on to the next. If a dude is serious about sticking with a girl "long-term" it opens more doors. The reality is that these days 6-months is LT as life changes for these girls or other 'life happens'. But a girl feels less used and hooker like if she's in an on-going situation, she's more willing to be accommodating. But getting used by 3 guys in a row promising LT and then dumping them after one FC visit, sure changes attitudes.
But I get the frustration and time commitment. I don't believe it is any harder than it was before, just takes more time commitment. So Yeah, it takes much more patience from me these days, but still can find the good results!
Sugar babies have more knowledge around seeking now compared to 6-7 years ago. There's Youtube channels, tik tok, reddit, word of mouth, etc. Most girls on seeking have pretty much adopted the standard routine of doing things. The top of the list of this routine is to no longer accept anything below 300 PPM. Yes there are still some girls that you can get below this amount, but it is harder compared to before and there's not that many of these girls anymore.
Seeking is actually struggling really badly right now in terms of user base. Sugar daddies are leaving and so are sugar babies. The only people still using the site are sugar babies that are standing firm on their standards, some are happy paying high prices for mediocre services (they don't understand that paying high PPMs will not get them the quality experience they are looking for), and other sugar daddies that are still grinding it out and trying to make it work.
The only people winning in all this are that have the patience to sift through a lot of nonsense to find quality girls that will give them a quality experience, of course at a high end PPM. And the sugar babies that are able to take advantage of dudes spending way too much money and not understanding what they are getting..First I want to say I've committed the terrible sin of offering ppm of 300-400, but I'd rarely go 5 and never higher. I simply don't want to miss out on amazing experiences haggling. I bring something besides money to the table. I'm attractive and in good shape. Inked up and told I'm sexy. I'm also sexually dominant and understand the power exchange very well, every girl I sleep with is submissive and well vetted besides that. And though sex is an important part of things I don't treat it like a sesh with an escort. There are ways to navigate things. I definitely put in work and hit up a lot of girls. I cast a wide net too, sometimes searching a 50 mile radius. The sweet spot for me is 21-27 year old girls. And they are into it. I don't know what it was like 5+ years ago. And I don't feel like I have a responsibility to "keep prices low" because some dudes want me to. But I DO have a responsibility to help out other guys on here and let y'all know who is a scammer, nutso or a waste of time.
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