2005 Archived General Reports [Archive] - Page 3

frumpy

11-11-05, 03:29

Just wanted to leave a little summary of my visit this week.

Arrived Monday morning about 8am and went to check out the locations that I have read about. Not much luck, saw a few SW, 1 in particular seemed odd. She was a blond that looked very nice. Probably a 9 on the SW scale IMO. She was walking south on Boulder Highway and when I and about 6 others pulled over to talk she would just smile and ignore you. Maybe she wasn't a SW but she was definatly out of place for the area if she wasn't, plus I saw her 3 more times during the week and same thing she would look and smile but say nothing. Must have watched 10 cars on Thursday just keep looping around. Odd. She was out during the afternoon south of the lamplighter maybe someone can figure it out. I spent the rest of monday cruising around looking until about 3am. Found alot of girls getting busted but other than that nothing I would touch. Funny thing about this town is how hard it is to tell the tourist from the SW. Oh yea talked to a casino girl in a cab who was headed to the IP. Very nice but out of my league.

Tuesday night I went out again and found a decent looking WSW on Boulder wearing a red ball cap. Picked her up and was looking for a place to park, she wanted to do her job while I was driving, and I declined. She seemed more than willing and nice, said she was a stripper at spearmint rhino. Anyway, she mentioned that she had a house that she got locked out of because she owed rent and her money was inside. This is the part where my brain stopped working and the little brain took over. Said she needed $46 to cover the rest of her rent and we could go there and take care of business. LOL are you thinking idiot yet. Well we went there and I forked over $50 and she got out and disappeared. So I sat there in disbelief for about 30 mins. Damn that was stupid was all I could think. So reality finally set in and I drove my dumbass back to the hotel and took a walk up the strip. Ended up at the Imperial Palace, and stopped in at the karoake bar in fromt of it and spent the rest of the night there until about 1am. Very nice place to listen to some good singers. On the walk from Excalibur to the IP I think I saw about 6 SW and a couple Casino girls going into the casinos. On the way back I think I saw about 6 more SW. Very nice looking girl I stopped and talked to didn't want anything to do with the Excalibur. In fact every girl on the strip I talked to the whole week, when I mention the Excalibur the would just go the other way and ignore me. Must be bad experiences there

Wednesday I gave up on the mongering to go to Gilleys mud wrestling and just check out the females running around on the strip. The mud wrestling was great, I went in about 8:50 to avoid the $10 cover. The mudwrestling was supposed to start @ 10pm but I believe it was 10:45 by the time it started. But well worth the wait. There was like 8 girls, young, 5 of them were just beautiful. The others weren't bad at all. If you come to Vegas I would highly recommend going. Probably the best night of all for me.

Thursday, went looking around lunch time for SW again saw the blond on boulder that wouldn't talk to anyone. But clearly acting like a SW. Dunno. After going in about 5 circles with 5 other cars I gave up and headed down towards Sams town. Walking next to the walgreens by ST there was a redhead with a full pink body suit walking. I mean she just stuck out. So I pulled into a gas station right there and watched her. She kinda lolly gagged around and then finally came across the street over to my car. I unlocked the door and motioned her in but she gave me a roll down the window sign. So I did. She proceeded to ask me what I was looking for. I said hop in lets go for a ride. She said what you think I am a cop. So she showed me her tits. Now she was good looking 8/10. With a pink body suit. Standing outside my car and she said "you want a BJ". To which I mumbled, not sure what to think about the situation and remembering my other stupidity, "well I don't know". She said "How much, all these guys only want to pay 20-30" and I said "well thats ok I am going to leave now." So she finally gets in the car and says 100. I said no. Can I give you a ride somewhere. She was headed to Sams. So I gave here a short ride over there. She basically said she was from Memphis and was working the casinos. normally she would ask for 250 but wanted to get an early start so she was barganing @100. Personally she wasn't worth 250, but 100 may have been a good deal. Well I dropped her off and headed back to the hotel for supper.
After supper I went back out cause this was my last night so I wanted to finally get my release. So I head over and take a trip around again and guess who I saw. Little miss in the red hat who stiffed me a couple nights ago. haha. I pulled over and kinda drove slow next to her to see if she recognized me. She ignored me and then finally stopped walking. I said what happened the other night. Then she started making excuses. I said whatever get in and I'll give you a ride. She felt very bad about what happened. She offered to double do me if I would give here 30 more. I said how long you got. 45 mins she said. lol. nope you still owe me from the other night. So found a place to park and she redeemed herself. haha, I was hopeing I would see her again. When she finished she still wanted more money. FU, get out. lol. How she must have hated seeing me again. Her name was Sara so if you see her make sure you follow the rules with her, service first then money. Plus as far as I am concerned she still owes me about 25 worth of service.

That concludes my trip. Hope you enjoyed my story, I know it was long but kinda feel good about my redemption in the end.

Billygeek

11-11-05, 03:58

Hey all. Any of you guys have any comments on the action at the Barbary Coast nightclub that is open between 2am and 8am? Waited in line once for about an hour, but they only seemed to be taking in people that would buy $300 table service (!). The girls in line looked decent, but no Hard-Rock types.

Taking a pal for the first time to LV in a couple of weeks. Any comments much appreciated.

Vanderley

11-11-05, 19:29

Hey all. Any of you guys have any comments on the action at the Barbary Coast nightclub...Drai's doesn't start picking up until after 5. It's hands down the best club Vegas has to offer in my opinion, but you won't find any working girls there unfortunately. The crowd is generally in the 21-35 yr old range. I wouldn't recommend this place if you're any older than that. A lot of the girls I've found there are "off duty" showgirls, hot as hell, just out having a good time with their girlfriends after a hard night's work. If you got what it takes to score with hot girls on a regular basis, this will be a goldmine for you. Otherwise, I would stay away. Good luck.

Member #3943

11-11-05, 20:37

Drais , yes I went there last year around christmas time when I was ther , Im 50 and really felt out of place , but once I got back to cleopatras barge it was like heaven!!!!!!!!

Wastrel

11-12-05, 15:55

Anyway, she mentioned that she had a house that she got locked out of because she owed rent and her money was inside. This is the part where my brain stopped working and the little brain took over. Said she needed $46 to cover the rest of her rent and we could go there and take care of business. LOL are you thinking idiot yet.Not at all. It happens once to everyone in this game. The term "idiot" only applies if it happens twice. It's an old scam, and it got that way becuase it still works. This is one reason I prefer to take the cute little witch out of her turf a bit.

Since I haven't yet found anyone to install a rocket-propelled automatic bad-hooker ejection seat for times like that, I suggest before "loaning" her the rent money you develop an urgent need to stop for a bottle of water or something, send her into an inconvenience store with about two dollars to fetch it, and leave as soon as the Minute Mart door hits her in the ass. If she discovers an immediate need for a few extra dollars for a soda or something for herself, I suggest you'll be needing her to leave her shoes in the car while you're still learning to, ahem, develop trust in your coming relationship. Honking, waving to her, and blowing a kiss on your way out of the lot is optional, and tossing out her shoes within a quarter mile of the witch dump is not recomended.

Wastrel say: "Never call a hooker a rip-off-witch 'till you've travelled a mile in her shoes. Then, you will be a mile away; and you will have her shoes."

Guady1

11-13-05, 05:52

ClitCommander

11-13-05, 21:02

Speaking of BH, there is a place, weekly rental, that looks like a castle, that I got lucky a couple of years ago. Picked up a woman, who was a dealer but had a bad gambling habit. She was desperate for money.

I think if we hung out at some of these cash advance places, we could probably make a score. this woman made good money but thought she could beat the casino at their own game.

There were alot of seedy people in that complex, I left to do the deed somewhere else. I haven't been in that area as far as mongering but I will check it soon.

Gaudy, that sounds like the Royal Manor on Trop and Boulder. I have picked up a few SW's there, but its hit or miss. You're right about it being seedy. Be careful because LVMPD categorizes that area as high crime (i.e. robbery, assault, drugs and of course prostitution).

Speck

11-13-05, 23:23

What an excellent first post dude!

I was in Vegas from Thursday through today. My experience somewhat mirrors yours. Warning: Only some content on sw's. Much of this relates to gambling, and downtown lv in general.

Hit Vegas Thursday afternoon. I could not believe the TONS of sw walking around the Stewart/Ogden/Fremont/Carson from LV bl down to about Brice(sic?) area. Saw a few I liked for once, but could not even get close to any of them. I saw a couple of Metro on bikes, and then a couple more and decided I would be better off checking into my room. Grabbed some grub then rolled out. Downtown still seemed LE heavy so I headed down to Boulder Station/Sams Town area. Saw a few sw out by Castaways. One cute blonde got snatched up before I could catch her. The others were meh so I drove a little further. No luck. Hit downtown again and the streets were relatively empty. Went to gamble. Played BJ and in between frequent restroom trips, kept hitting craps. Lost $385 on the night. It was only 1am and I was kinda pissed and did not want to gamble anymore. I hit the u shaped bar at binions, then Lady Luck, and even Gold Spike searching for something resembling a working girl, but no luck. I rolled over to Golden Gate to play $3 craps(5x odds), but the tables were shut down. I realized how hungry I was and grabbed a sandwich, 2 beers, and a $0.99 shrimp cocktail from the deli. Downed my chow and was about to leave. Noticed the middle aged rather plain looking but still do-able bartender so I pulled up for a beer. Soon realized my mistake as she went on about her kids and exuded negative sexual vibes. On top of it, I got to hear about how the drunk, aging guy sitting next to me smoked crack for the first time in his life with a crack ho. Eh. I've been in worse spots in my life, but I can't think of anything specific at the moment. I went to sleep after 4am.

Next morning woke up feeling like crap...so I went back to sleep. About 4pm, I hit the car wash there on LV Bl. and Stewart. Damn that place is ghetto. First car wash where I have ever seen white guys working. Guess crack addicts gotta work somewhere. Lots of really nice cars there. There was one fine ass girl playing the slots there, but she seemed insanely addicted and only looked up to give me a look that said "stay the F away". So anyway, while my car is getting washed, I get a bargain priced $4 shoe shine from this old guy with only one good eye. Sitting next to me is a local crack ho. Not entirely unattractive, but really messed up teeth. Think every Brittish stereotype there is. So I listen as she talks to the one eyed shoe shine guy. Shes going on about how messed up her life is and this and that then turns to me and starts talking to me about it. Overall, good shoe shine, and excellent entertainment. Thinking back, I really should have asked her if she had any friends she could hook me up with. I hit out to Boulder hwy. I think I saw the blonde hottie that Frumpy refered to near Boulder Station, but she disappeared quick. Again nada, so I headed back downtown. A few sw out...this is about 7pm, but nothing attractive. I head down to Wynn for some poker. Wow there are some amazing hotties there. The cocktail waitresses are gorgeous too. Spent about 4 hours getting hammered(by the drinks and by the cards). Wound up stuck $474. Crap. So I head back downtown in no mood to gamble. I pull up stakes at the Horseshoe bar around 1am. Some goofy guy is talking to a relatively unattractive woman next to me, clearly trying to get her to go up to his room. She is having none of it and she is clearly relived to be rid of him. She starts talking to me, and I start drinking heavily trying to find some way to make her attractive. It ain't working. So we just talk. Then this brunette pulls up. She has sort of a bob/pageboy type haircut. Big eyes, nice body, but burned out face. Shes gotta be early forties...maybe just a little bit of a rough life. I'm trying to figure out is shes a working girl. Some douche comes up, and I guess had plans already to meet her there. Turns out she is an employee of a nearby casino(I know where, I just don't want to say). So anyway, I watch douche torture me for an hour by failing to close the deal. Anytime you can get a middle aged woman, who clearly was once a complete hottie, but has now been time ravaged, to meet you in a casino bar at 2am, and she's drinking and smoking, you should be able to close the deal in a matter of minutes. After a while I get tired of watching, tell the unattractive one good night, and go back to my room to rub one out.

Saturday was not good. Nothing much out downtown. The one I was contemplating was about 70 lbs overweight and that helped me contemplate no. Hit the casinos again. Finally win a bit back and finish the night up $235. About midnight, I start hitting every downtown casino looking for something good. I find nothing(didn't venture down to El Cortez or Western though). I go back to Binions and spot the $4.99 sirloin steak special. I go into the coffee shop and get that. Not bad. Comes with baked potatoes and veggies. The steak wasn't small either. Cooked correctly...tasted good although A1 was required. Replenished and happy, I headed upstairs to find no ho's yet again. I headed over to LV Club. I see the attractive brunette from the night before sitting with a couple at the bar. I pull up, and notice a loud group to my left. A kinda nerdy looking girl asks me some stupid questions. She is clearly on the verge of barfing from excessive alcohol consumption and I try to keep a couple feet distance. She is with a group that is really drunk and seems quite intent on harassing the older gentleman sitting between them and me. Said harassment includes getting him to drink something called "f---ing awesome" which the old guy clearly does not enjoy. They also insist on taking pictures with the old guy which I'm certain are destined for some web page out there. The pictures also drew the ire/wrath of casino security. Anywho, there is no opportunity for me to hit on the brunette. After she leaves, and the loud group leaves, the old guy (btw, missing at least two of his lower teeth) proceeds to explain to me how the cute brunette was giving him looks all night. Yeah right. I get tired and head off to sleep.

So another Vegas trip with no hook ups. Still, it saves me $200-300 more that a room on the strip would cost, and also saves me the $200 I would dropp on a strip cg.

Plasma Spray

11-14-05, 05:08

I was staying at the Flamingo last weekend. Did not have a car to go to my usual place off of Spring Mnt so I was stuck with trying to liquor up girls next to me at the tables. No go as I got more drunk than them and lost a whole bunch the first night.

Went to a couple of meetings and was trying to come out ahead on my last night till 3 AM or so, but just could not wing it! SO I head over to "O'Leary's" ( I think) for some grub. ON my way back to the Casino, I was scared by this girl that appeared out of nowhere behind some slots! But wow! All I was were her twins yapping at me!

She wanted 4$. I told her NOT a chance after what I had lost! She then went down to 3$. But I said all I've got is 2$ left and I would not mind playing some more BJ to get something back. Well, after much talking, I got her to the room and found out how heavy she was as I was trying to hoist her up! JESUS! Almost threw out my back!

But her twins were VERY NICE!

Word: Only drink after the deed!

PP

Robert387

11-14-05, 08:59

Was staying a PS last Sat. night and stopped playing BJ every hour or so to take a tour of the casino bars for any opportunities. No luck throughout the evening and was about ready to give up when at 1 a.m. I spotted a fairly attractive gal seated at the end of the Trax Bar with an "I-lost-my-dog" look. She's not giving me or any other passers-by "the look" and she's not dressed to draw attention to herself. After a few passes I settle in next to her and make small talk. Turns out she's a stripper from Olympic Gardens who just got off work, gambled her $160 earnings away, and was now wondering how she was going to be able to get to her room on the south end of the strip. I suggested that my $100 for a cbj in my room would help her solve that problem. She was seemingly shocked at the suggestion, and said that she didn't sleep around. I was about to apologize and excuse myself, when she decided that she was attracted to me after all! She then asked if I'd buy her a drink, which turned out to be a double.

Once in the room, a series of upsell moves came out. First it was $150 for full service. I declined. She then said she shouldn't have agreed to $100 because she needed an extra $50 to get her kid out of daycare. (Daycare at 1 a.m.? She almost sounded like she needed the $50 to get the kid out of hock.) She then said that if I gave her $50 more now she'd give me $100 worth of lapdances next time she worked at OG. (That's a new one: selling "futures" on lapdances.)

Finally I told her to quit the upsell and take care of business as agreed upon. Although she was in her late 30's, she had a stripper's body: tall, slender, enhanced boobs, etc. The deed was done and I sent her on her way, but only after she tried the "cab-fare request" as her final attempt at getting more payment. Bottom line is that I was surprised to find that kind of action at a locals' casino like Palace Station.

Guady1

11-14-05, 16:00

Comm,

I think you are right, it may have been Royal Manor.

I only met that woman because I had a dealer friend who knew that dealer. My story was only to point out what is happening to alot of the people who live here.

Judging by the threads, you can see. The one about a stripper being in PS. I saw a cw at my job take a date to his room, come back down and gambled it right back into the casino.

I made friends with this asian cw. She would tell me alot of what was going on out there. Alot of girls make big money, but they don't have money management skills-I guess that is where the pimps think they can help.

Speaking of pimps, did anyone see the news about that one pimp who got busted. He was in a movie called American Pimp. You really should rent that tape. That reality of life was how young and good looking he appeared in the film (which wasn't made that long ago) and in the t.v. interview, he was very old looking like life (or the toll of prison) had taken on him.

They are going to crack down on pimps with a new law. Won't do much really, just make the other pimps alittle richer until a replacement comes.

I think cw's are your best bet in this town, the problem with me is I live here.
With street action you risk the chance of being picked up just by talking to one of the sw's, LE knows these girls folks, if you are talking to them its not about what time the Stardust opens.

I used to love AMP's but not here, Its gambling if you ask me. You pay your money and you are not sure what you are getting? Good mongering know what they getting up front, no games.

As far as in-call services, I haven't tried any yet, but it sounds like you need to talk to others who have gone.

Speck

11-14-05, 22:41

There is a chubby blonde that generally works the Flamingo. She came onto me STRONG including rubbing her titties on me as we walked through the casino. She looked extraordinarily sad/disappointed that I turned her down. But for $200, I ain't doing a chubby girl. She is cute, and nice rack, but not worth $200 to me. Oh yeah, the place next door is O'Sheas and serves Guinness but their single deck BJ sucks(no pun intended) because it only pays 6:5 on BJ.

I was staying at the Flamingo last weekend. Did not have a car to go to my usual place off of Spring Mnt so I was stuck with trying to liquor up girls next to me at the tables. No go as I got more drunk than them and lost a whole bunch the first night.

Went to a couple of meetings and was trying to come out ahead on my last night till 3 AM or so, but just could not wing it! SO I head over to "O'Leary's" ( I think) for some grub. ON my way back to the Casino, I was scared by this girl that appeared out of nowhere behind some slots! But wow! All I was were her twins yapping at me!

She wanted 4$. I told her NOT a chance after what I had lost! She then went down to 3$. But I said all I've got is 2$ left and I would not mind playing some more BJ to get something back. Well, after much talking, I got her to the room and found out how heavy she was as I was trying to hoist her up! JESUS! Almost threw out my back!

But her twins were VERY NICE!

Word: Only drink after the deed!

PP

Robert387

11-16-05, 09:04

I've found consistent success ($100 cbj) roaming the Imperial Palace-Harrahs-Casino Royale stretch in the 4:00-6:00 a.m. range. (I gamble enough at the IP and CR to get a comped room which I use solely for mongering.) Most 6's & 7's readily agree to that rate; an occasional 9 will snub her nose at the suggestion as she passes through for her last encounter of the evening at the Venetian or Wynn. Yesterday morning I chatted up a solid 8 as she entered the Casino Royale. I didn't bring protection, so I asked if she had a condom along, to which she said no. A hooker with no protection along?! She said she'd get one (sort of motioning to the back of the casino) while I booked a room. This seemed odd, since I wasn't aware of any gift shop in the CR. Turns out no room was available, and when I went looking for her I spotted her in the back corner of the casino socializing with two security guys. I watched from a distance to see if they were questioning her, and that clearly wasn't the case; they were definitely laughing and joking. This was one of those JDSR (Just Doesn't Seem Right) situations, so I was about to leave when she spotted me and came over. I told her about the room situation, and said I'd catch her some other time. She suggested a "car date" in a nearby parking structure right now, but I declined. (I never did think to ask if she got a condom and, if so, where.)

In any event, here's a couple of questions for the more experienced Wastrel-like veterans: What do you make of the socializing with security personnel? I know that most casinos tolerate working girls, but this was way over the line. Was "something up" here? 2) What about the car date in a parking structure -- have you done it, safe environment, etc.?

10safe0sory

11-16-05, 10:26

Back again after a LONG hiatus. First I couldn't find the new board, and second I made the mistake of thinking I was in love again. Yeah right!! No bad feelings, but just wan't worth the effort to me. Have been around my usual haunts, Boulder and near downtown. Most who remember the old board know I only get with sw. Anyway, it is spotty as normal on the highway, sometimes OK and sometimes not. Best times is around 11pm-3am. Most are just old and worn out but the occasional hottie can be found but the locations are hit or miss and they are scooped up quickly. Have found some on Trop between Boulder and Koval. That's a long stretch and again its realy hit or miss. I ALWAYS take a long time before and look around a LONG time before striking so I miss a lot to the guys who strike quick, but then again I still am free. That's more important. More to follow............. Be careful out there.

Wastrel

11-16-05, 11:31

For some reason that cheesy castle at Trop & Boulder has long been popular with out of town pimps importing their stables. It's really no different than any of the dozens of weekly rent places in town, other than the ridiculous design of the facade. There's another Royal Manor just like it on Las Vegas Blvd way down south far past the point where anyone would still call it "The Strip" but I've never noticed anyone working around that one.

At the mention of those working girl money management skills, it bought back a vivid picture I have stuck in my mind from about six months ago. At the time I was sitting at what used to be the lamp bar at the Aladdin at around three or four in the morning, and a head turning, truly beautiful even by Strip standards, early twenties CW sat down next to me. I wasn't up for paying her kind of prices that night, and she was too much a businesswoman in her manner anyway. She didn't flirt that hard, and was probably just wanting a male on her arm as a frat boy repellant, and didn't seem all that eager to close a deal, but after we both established that there wasn't going to be any business between us we did have a friendly chat about nothing while she casually played video poker at the bar. She played fast and lost quickly, and when she restocked the machine with her cash for the third time in about fifteen or twenty minutes I noticed that those were not stacks of dollar bills she was feeding it. They were hundreds. I estimated she burned at least ten thousand dollars at the bar during our thirty minute talk, and she may well have vaporized a lot more after I stumbled away shaking my head. I'm not a poor man, but ten or twenty thousand in United States currency is actually real money to me, and I just wouldn't be OK with it the next morning if it had been my cash. But none of it was, and it wasn’t hers for very long either. Of course it happens all the time at the tables, but she could have made it last longer and probably gotten more entertainment value by putting it in a pile and setting fire to it. I trust she held on to the usual and customary nightly $800 to $1000 to take back to her "boyfriend/agent" to avoid being beaten within an inch of her life. I guess the excess is just as well made to disappear into the machine at the casino as into the hand of her minder back at her room. I have the feeling that girl never had a bank account and probably still doesn't, and may have never kept a nickel for as long as 24 hours.

Last night just after midnight I saw three BSWs on the stretch of Las Vegas Blvd between the Strip and downtown. I haven’t noticed anyone working there in a while. They looked OK but not great at 40 m.p.h. They were on the east side of the street strolling along the area between ABC Bail Bonds and the Viva Las Vegas Wedding Chapel, conveniently enough, depending on how the date goes.

Downtown around one a.m. Binion’s looked sad. Nothing at the bar but an overfed frizzy haired blonde, probably a tourist, struggling to stay aboard the poor skinny little barstool holding her up. The casino felt like a graveyard. Nobody home, and I don’t know how they’re going to pay the light bill. Even the foursome at the craps table looked sedated. The most lively activity in the place was the elderly gentleman on a ladder vacuuming and re-vacuuming the fixtures on the ceiling. But it was a Tuesday night in a notorious slow period the week before all that virtuous Thanksgiving togetherness. I don’t enjoy reporting the death agony of this place, but that’s what I saw. I’ll still look in on the bar from time to time.

The Nugget, on the other hand, seems to be doing a terrific business on the busy crowded casino floor after the change of ownership, but there were no professional companions at either bar on the casino floor.

At the edifice on the NE corner of Harmon and LV Blvd around one-thirty or two, at the bar under the hole in the air where the magic lamp used to live, there was exactly one working girl when I rolled in. A very nicely put together mid twenties black woman. She wasn’t getting any business at the moment, and made for pleasant conversation. She’s actually Cuban, from Miami, but has spent several months in Vegas every year for several years of her young life. I made no effort to negotiate anything. There are usually a lot of circulating CWs strolling by in front of the Aladdin that time of night, but not a single one this time. It was chilly out. Back inside a half hour later, there were now at least seven around the bar looking hungry: four black CWs, all very presentable; two Asian CWs, one of them slender petite and attractive, one not; and one almost too young looking waif thin raven haired white girl, who attached herself to me with working girls’ super glue. She was very cute, but had two shiny gold front teeth that flashed when they caught the lights of the casino, and gave me the creeps. She was also foul mouthed trailer trash whenever she made the mistake of speaking. Sounded like she was raised by MTV. I asked about the bullion in her face, and she proudly announced that she had more money in her mouth than most people have in the bank. I announced that I suddenly remembered it was time for me to go have my car detailed. At three a.m. She was not happy. But aside from the one lumpy looking Korean gal, all the rest had plenty of looks to spare for working the Strip resorts. I overheard one of them saying something about a problem earlier involving security at the Bellagio. Don’t know what that bit of information or CW gossip really was about. I was also hit on by two more on my way out to my car through the Desert Passage mall maze. “Hey, where you goin? Come back, don’t you like us, baby?” “Sure I do sweetheart, I like ya so much I’ll only charge five to do ya both.”

Ricksone

11-16-05, 16:09

Newbe report,

Was in Vegas a couple of weeks ago and had gained information from this site. Found "City Vibe" in a news stand and "Las Vegas Weekly" at a 7-11 (but it's not in all).

One night I was out about 1am and decided to make a few calls from the ads looking for incall with asain influences. Most ads did not answer, the few that did didn't offer incall that late.

So I'm sitting in my car thinking about going back to my room, when my phone rings. Young asain, not much english, puts man on the phone, I tell him where I'm staying and he says massage for $60 per hour. He says she can meet me in about 20min, takes room number and I'll have to meet her downstairs. I'm just hanging the bar by the front door playing BJ keeping a watch out. I go to the cage to cash out and see a guy with a young asain gal. I wave, they don't and keep walking like they are looking for someone. I follow them trying not to be too obvoius in case they are not who I think they are (how embarrasing would that be?). I finally just walk up and ask if they are looking for me, they verify room number, she hooks my arm and we're off. Very attractive, very friendly. We get too the room, she collects, I get ready and she starts rubbing and asks if I'd like more. We settle on another $1. Very nice body, cowgirl, miss and finish doggy. I kept her card intending to call her again but didn't.

A couple of days later I try the ads again looking for an incall. Young asain answers and we meet by her apt. I followed her to a 2 car garage and she shut the door. Went in removing shoes and noticed there is just about nothing in the whole place, just a mattress on the floor in one room. We make our deal and she gets ready. She was about 4'11" at most. She gets on top and was so tight I just about couldn't get in (a true first). We did 3 way like the last. No touching the boobs, or crotch, she says "I already come today" and waves my hand away each time. The problem was she was so small that I could only go in about 2/3rds, kind of frustrating, but I knew she was getting hurt. Still a very nice experience, just a wonderful person and she offered a joint shower when we were done (which I took her up on).

R

Speck

11-16-05, 23:30

I overheard one of them saying something about a problem earlier involving security at the Bellagio. Don’t know what that bit of information or CW gossip really was about.

I have never seen Bellagio with less than 5 cg's after 2am, even mid week. I play poker there nearly every trip, and my sessions typically run 8pm to 4 or 5am. You tend to see a lot. Add to that, a few of the players pick up on the hookers heavily. And people talk.

From what I gather....Bellagio does not have a problem with presentable, attractive women in its establishment. And of course they never ever want their casino to accidentally offend the gf or wife of one of its high rollers or whales by insinuated that she might be a working girl. So security stays hands off except for one exception. Rip off a high roller, and out you go. So high priced ROB's get the boot quickly. I've seen it happen on 3 occasions. Each time the girl was AMAZINGLY hot. One was quite adamant that she ought not be removed and had to be "encouraged" quite strongly to leave.

Wastrel

11-17-05, 02:32

And of course they never ever want their casino to accidentally offend the gf or wife of one of its high rollers or whales by insinuated that she might be a working girl.Yes, and that's a distinction that can get blurry in Las Vegas. I personally do know of a case where both things were simultaneously true. A bartender made a crude indiscrete wisecrack to a provocatively dressed slinky dark skinned lady, a friendly aquaintance of mine who I got to know reasonably well, which included the suggestion she might make herself available for rent on her back or her knees. And in fact I know she was doing exactly that a few years earlier when she met the man who married her, who is also a nationally prominent and wealthy plaintiff's attorney who loves to blow truckloads of money in the casinos whenever he can get to town. He put his arm around his young wife, handed that bartender a hundred dollar bill, and informed him that he'd better enjoy it, becuase it would be the last one he ever saw in his life. I believe the errant bartender was banned from ever setting foot on any of that firm's many properties, incidental to becoming very thoroughly unemployed.

Guady1

11-17-05, 04:07

Security kicking it with cw's is not out of the ordinary. These guys can be their best friend or worse enemy, depending on, what's in it for them.

I don't think security is part of any setup. You should be careful of doing it in a car on casino property. They have guys on bikes and their cameras pick up things even faster. Late in the morning, its slow, so they have more things to look for.

I did it twice in a dark neighborhood and still felt uncomfortable. You don't know who will roll up on you or walk by.

CW's will tell you to go to your car if you don't have a room but you have to realize most of them have a record so they don't care if you get caught. Sex in public in Nevada is a FELONY.

Mike 80

11-17-05, 07:23

I've found consistent success ($100 cbj) roaming the Imperial Palace-Harrahs-Casino Royale stretch in the 4:00-6:00 a.m. range...
In any event, here's a couple of questions for the more experienced Wastrel-like veterans: What do you make of the socializing with security personnel? I know that most casinos tolerate working girls, but this was way over the line. Was "something up" here? 2) What about the car date in a parking structure -- have you done it, safe environment, etc.?

Robert,
Casino parking structures are an excellent and safe option as long as you take the obvious precautions (e.g. parking between other vehicles, not next to a camera, etc.). If somebody spots you, hey this is Vegas. For all they know you're just having a little fun w/ your SO. Probably heading into the casino afterward to lose your money. Good customer, don't bother him.

As far as the girl talking, joking w/ Security, that wouldn't concern me. First, if you're thinking that the casino might have been running some kind of sting I'd say that's extremely unlikely. It's also highly unlikely that she is LE. Not all casino security treats hookers as undesirable. These guys are human, she's likely someone they see regularly and kid around with. No big deal.

As for paying $100 for CBJs from girls you rate as 6-7's, that's the more unfortunate comment in your post :-). For that caliber of talent, I'd rather go with a SW for less than half that rate.

Desert Dude

11-17-05, 12:22

Robert,
Casino parking structures are an excellent and safe option as long as you take the obvious precautions (e.g. parking between other vehicles, not next to a camera, etc.). If somebody spots you, hey this is Vegas. For all they know you're just having a little fun w/ your SO. Probably heading into the casino afterward to lose your money. Good customer, don't bother him.

As far as the girl talking, joking w/ Security, that wouldn't concern me. First, if you're thinking that the casino might have been running some kind of sting I'd say that's extremely unlikely. It's also highly unlikely that she is LE. Not all casino security treats hookers as undesirable. These guys are human, she's likely someone they see regularly and kid around with. No big deal.

As for paying $100 for CBJs from girls you rate as 6-7's, that's the more unfortunate comment in your post :-). For that caliber of talent, I'd rather go with a SW for less than half that rate.

I agree with almost all of your analysis Mike. I'd even go as far and give the girl props for cultivating a good relationship with security. I've only had one hassle in a parking garage, parking on the roof of a local mall, the only car up there. Dumbass move. Security drove up, behind us [getting an eyeful] then back around in front of us which got our attention. Now I respectfully disagree with your .100cbj's. Sounds like that's a deal that the writer is comfortable with. For many, not having to leave the Strip and dealing with more rugged areas is worth some cash. I say if he's fine with it, no harm no foul. I, on the other hand, will be joining you on the street team. ;)

Robert387

11-17-05, 14:02

"Now I respectfully disagree with your .100cbj's. Sounds like that's a deal that the writer is comfortable with. For many, not having to leave the Strip and dealing with more rugged areas is worth some cash. I say if he's fine with it, no harm no foul. I, on the other hand, will be joining you on the street team."

Thanks Desert Dude and Mike for your insights. Mike's comment about not having to leave the Strip, etc., is right on target. However, you've now got me thinking, and it's something I've often wondered about. If you pick up a SW, for example, on Boulder Hwy., where do you drive off to in most cases? It would seem that a parking structure at Boulder Station, Arizona Charlies, or Sam's Town would be a good option. Agree? (If it's half the price of those on the Strip, maybe I should be joining "the street team"!)

Guady1

11-17-05, 16:32

Getting it on, in any casino parking garage, is risky business. I used to work at a local casino as security and I lived for that moment, creeping up on obvious cars.

First, don't believe the thing about "parking near cameras" what a laugh, I work (upstairs) and we have "zoom" capabilities. You don't know where we are looking at you from, I have looked at couples from the casino roof unto the garage because it gave me a better angle.

There are obvious signs, like Desert Dude said, parking on a roof?, and then there is no one around? Double no-no. Once that car hits the roof, security is already suspect of it. There are occasions where people who love their cars will park on the roof for protective reasons.

I could look at a car and tell if there were sombody inside. If it is hot and the car window is down? guess what. If it is cold and you can see the exhaust, once again, trying to stay warm. One thing I found, people don't just sit in their car, they are either doing it, smoking it, or thinking how they lost it.

I like to pass info. to my fellow mongers because I want to see us stay safe.
I posted a thread earlier, letting out of towners know, that in the state of Nevada, sex in public is a felony. Some people have been convicted, its not worth getting a conviction like that, being careless. If you have to do the deed, check your surroundings thoroughly.

Heidi Fleiss is moving to Crystal(80 miles from vegas) about 20 miles from Pahrump. She is setting up a brothel-get this, for women. She is looking for "a few good men". She may not get the license(or at least is not suppose to) because she is a convicted felon from the 90's when she ran a madam escort service. It served the rich and famous who wanted to keep their flings secret, some paid $10k.

Wastrel

11-17-05, 23:04

This is one where some friends here will just have to agree to disagree in a friendly way. I am probably more suspicious and cautious about some aspects of this business than others want to be, and I guess it's a matter of personal comfort level and individual judgment about acceptable risks, but for myself I don't like the parking garage plan at all.

In my experience it varies from property to property, but there is enough surveillance of them to make me uncomfortable with the probability of having issues with public safety folks, but not nearly enough for me to consider it safe from getting rolled by a psycho-pimp boyfriend or a dumb sleazy opportunist. No shortage of either hanging ‘round in Vegas, shadowing hookers and their dates. I am aware of several recent (unpublicized) instances of people getting violently robbed, and in at least two cases killed, in casino parking garages, as well as the ho-hum everyday occurrence of break-ins and theft and mugging and snatching and jacking and assaults which are more common there than folks in the industry want to admit. Clearly it is not "safe" from that standpoint, and least not enough for me. In fact the act of parking and going to and from my car is what I consider the most vulnerable position I routinely put myself in, as much as traveling to LA and cruising certain streets in Compton and Watts. But then I'm probably more cautious and controlling in these matters than many, so take all the opinions into account in making a judgment.

Most casinos try to patrol and monitor their parking facilities for a variety of reasons, including trying to limit their potential liability in a civil suit following any harm ("we did everything we could to protect the poor drunk fool, ah, the deceased") that may come to their guests, and people do get arrested for stuff in garages as a result of their surveillance. I have been politely questioned by security folks many times in parking areas while doing nothing illegal or outrageous, and I'd be happy if they did more of it at some properties. I am aware of one garage that is an exception to my personal rule, but I happen to know in great detail exactly what the security situation is at that one particular property, and I don't want to discuss it in this forum.

In a more general way, I do not like anything about the idea of taking a hooker's suggestion of where to go. Whether it is a room or a garage or an alley or the Garden of Eden, I believe that single act more than any other vastly increases the risks in this game. I won't say I've never done it, 'cause I have, but I'm very reluctant and very suspicious of anyone who wants to direct me to a spot of THEIR choosing upon first meeting. If I do so, I have given up a great deal of my control of the situation. Think it through, and most unpleasant stuff that can happen requires willingness to give up the choice of location and control of the environment and who-all might actually become part of that environment and/or leave it and me without my invitation.

I have pre-selected spots around town which I have determined in advance to be MY safe, discrete, politely private places for parking. With one unique exception none of them are in garages or on a gaming property, and I will not even use one of them which is too near the spot where I have picked up a SW. I'm paying, so I'll call the tune and we'll have to go to a place convenient for me, which is intentionally NOT a place too convenient for her or any of her associates. If I'm spending a C-note or more then I consider the cost of a room, again of MY choosing and not hers, to be acceptable overhead along with gas and a beverage and handi-wipe towlettes. If she starts giving me orders and directions even before getting the money, I consider that a bad sign that she's a wrong number anyway. If I wanted power struggles over money and sex and where to go and what to do I'd just get married and get that every damn day. Some of these girls use their customers as an opportunity to express their emotional issues with power and men and control and stuff, and I want them to pay me if they're going to do that. It starts with "we're gonna go here honey" and if that's a problem for her, we are done, goodbye and good luck.

On the specific situation mentioned by the original poster, I'm not surprised that some gaming security folks might be cordial with some working girls. Hell, a dear friend of mine who performs that kind of service for a living has had a regular weekly thing going with a guy on the security staff of a downtown gaming property for several years now. I have also never heard of a single instance of a reverse sting of a customer by LE inside a major gaming property. Busting the girls, yes many times, but I’m not aware of the reverse INSIDE a casino. On the other hand, I believe in the rule that if it feels hinky somehow, it probably is, and it is wise for me to stop what I'm doing. Until the day when there is only one hooker left in Vegas and I have been told I have only 24 hours to live, I believe it is best for me to only put myself in situations which I am confident meet all of my selected criteria, or just throw her back and remain locked and loaded for tomorrow and the night after.

Just one opinion, sift through them all and make an individual judgment based on personal comfort level. But I don't foresee any sudden dire shortage of hookers or hotels requiring me to take a chance today for fear that there won't be another in Vegas tomorrow, and I won't be taking parking directions from any of them.

Mike 80

11-18-05, 03:34

I appreciate and respect the opinions of Wastrel and Guady who've countered my endorsement of casino parking. Caution and safety are good things. And maybe circumstances are a little different in LV. My recommendation is based on years of experience in Atlantic City, my primary mongering town. I visit Vegas often and occasionally use casino parking there but in LV I usually monger away from the Strip.

Casino parking is my much preferred option in AC, although it's not one I'm eager to publicize. For me, security is one of the main benefits. In AC I like my chances of avoiding violence (robbery by the girl, her associates, or some passing opportunist) a whole lot more in a casino lot than in any other public place in town. Just on that basis alone, my stress level about the situation goes down a lot. I flat out feel physically safe -- always.

As for casino security, as I said in my original post obviously we don't want to be stupid about it. To Wastrel's point, I've developed preferences. Over time, you learn things about certain parking lots and security situations that make them more preferred than others. As to Guady's comment regarding camera's yeah I know they can zoom from a distance. But if you're in a car and park between two SUVs and know the location of the cameras, you can certainly reduce the danger.

But the other point is, when mongering I'm mostly concerned about LE. I almost never (maybe never) see LE walking or driving around an AC casino lot. No disrespect, but my level of worry with casino security is not on the same scale. I'm not planning on sitting there banging a girl for hours. I'm in and out (so to speak) in a brief amount of time. If a civilian or even security walks nearby, I don't feel in immediate jeopardy as I would somewhere else. I just pause or calmly take my business elsewhere. I don't think (or find) that hassling someone in a car who parks normally, doesn't leave the car, and exits the property in a short amount of time is a priority issue at most casinos.

Cienega32

11-18-05, 05:41

Funny story...

Many years ago (close to 20) a I went to the Imperial Palace with my then girlfriend. On the way out it dawned on us both that we wanted to fuc& each other's brains out. There was this elevator that afforded no privacy in the garage area. I think it was the one that used to go towards the car display.

Anyway - we were at it hot and heavy. I mean to say on the floor going at it like we were at home. The door opened and we crawled/rolled out onto the landing. Sometime thru it all we noticed the cameras.

We always wondered if it was just dumb luck that security didn't show up until we were re-dressed and on our way. He showed up with a small smirk on his face - not as big as ours but there never the less.

In a post 9-11 world I don't think I would expect a free ride till the end anymore, if security was aware of the situation. Security, for the most part, is going to shoo you away and off the property. Unless it's one of those gung-ho idiots that think a badge (& gun) is the same as being God for the day.

If they notice you pulling in and not leaving the vehicle that would present itself as suspicious circumstances and they will follow up on it. A trip to the usually empty roof levels will usually flag you out as well. It's out of the ordinary as far as behaviour. That's what gets attention. Unless. of course, it's a shift or house whose Security Department feels their primary purpose is to drink coffee all nite.

I've spent many a time zooming in on a pair nice firm breasts with erect nipples inside of a low-cut blouse floundering around on a 21 table. I've chased people out of pool areas that were fuc&!ng under a towel. It's a public access area and that makes it an activity that puts security in the position to move you on. A good security person will assess the situation and current environment. Otherwise,without the possibility of numerous customer complaints, - hell they're liable to print out a freeze frame for the office.

Bear in mind that surveillance rooms are not usually manned in the smaller casinos. Being manned is a gaming requirement dependant upon class which is determined by revenue. The "lower" class (B&C) will have 24 recording capabilities and limited access to that area (logged in & out and only permitted, gaming control approved, personnel) , but not usually a pair of eyes.

Then you always have "Detex" rounds where a scheduled & programmed patrol is mandatory. Liability for a casino is a funny thing. It's not the lawsuits that add up, it's the out of court settlements thru the corporate lawyers that get the attention. And they all get their sh!tload share of them. The idea is to keep it all out of court. Detex rounds prove the presence of security at certain points and certain intervals. Insurance companies eat that up. Those rounds take away a lot of the negligence issues by proving the physical presence of security.

But, for the most part, I wouldn't worry too much about security if you're "hidden" from the public. At best they show you the exit and try to emabarrass you. Some might even try to horn the broad themselves as a trade-off; risking their job in the process.

As far as security & CWs - I posted before about the general views on that. As long as the girls are cool and stealthy and the pick-ups aren't liquid stupid, they'll get by. The pit mainly wants their clientle to spend their moneey on the tables and if the girl keeps them there to spend it, they get a star. If they pul a player off the game while he's holding a lot - they could run into some resistance. "I hear you doing that again and you'll be back at the Stage Door".

Guady1

11-18-05, 06:17

For those mongers visiting from out of town, be careful how this town is run.

All major casinos have surveillance cameras and most of the smaller ones. The minute you come onto the property, whether by foot or car, you are being recorded. They have "real time" in which they may follow you, for whatever reason, and they always have their archives.

Don't underestimate security, they have "citizens arrest" abilities "like everybody else", but they put it to use. Scenerio- couple parked in a car, going at it. They are noticed, surveillance gets the video evidence, security rolls up, done. Can't beat that in court.

I was told the parking garage was the highest crime area of a casino. They know you have money going in (to gamble) and they think you have a jackpot coming out. If you are in a compromising position, the bad guys have one up on you. If people knew what was happening in casino garages, more people would valet.

One last note for out of towners, these girls are wise. Alot of them will trick roll you, because they know nothing will happen to them. If she steals, lets say, $1k from you and you catch her, are you going to take her to court?
Probably not, her lawyer will be the first to point out why you where with her, then you have to argue it was your money, not hers.

Oh, don't forget, you have to fly back, get a hotel, take time off from work.
She knows you are not going to fight her over that money, your wife might want to go with you this time, to see if you win the case.

Be careful when you are with cw's and especially if you have two girls. Never take a shower without her, if you are drunk, pass for the night. I have heard stories of girls robbing johns of $20k and more. If they are caught, they just give it back and pretty much go on their way, its worth a try.

PsyberZombie

11-18-05, 07:51

CW's will tell you to go to your car if you don't have a room but you have to realize most of them have a record so they don't care if you get caught. Sex in public in Nevada is a FELONY.

Here are the relevant sections from the Nevada Revised Statutes =

NRS 201.210 Open or gross lewdness; penalty.

1. A person who commits any act of open or gross lewdness is guilty:

(a) For the first offense, of a gross misdemeanor.

(b) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

2. For the purposes of this section, the breast feeding of a child by the mother of the child does not constitute an act of open or gross lewdness.

[Part 1911 C&P § 195; A 1921, 112; NCL § 10142]—(NRS A 1963, 63; 1965, 1465; 1967, 476; 1973, 95, 255, 1406; 1977, 866; 1979, 1429; 1983, 206; 1991, 1008; 1995, 127, 1199, 1327; 1997, 2501, 3188)

NRS 201.220 Indecent or obscene exposure; penalty.

1. A person who makes any open and indecent or obscene exposure of his person, or of the person of another, is guilty:

(a) For the first offense, of a gross misdemeanor.

(b) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

2. For the purposes of this section, the breast feeding of a child by the mother of the child does not constitute an act of open and indecent or obscene exposure of her body.

[Part 1911 C&P § 195; A 1921, 112; NCL § 10142]—(NRS A 1965, 1465; 1967, 476; 1973, 96, 255, 1406; 1977, 867; 1979, 1429; 1983, 206; 1991, 1008; 1995, 127, 1200, 1327; 1997, 2501, 3189)

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Seeing as how Casino properties have the heaviest surveillance on Earth , using the garage is obviously gonna pose some risks

How·ever , according the FBI's Manual on Street Prostitution — and the Experience of Yours Truly — the average
Car Date lasts only ten minutes , so why NOT give it a shot ??

Mike 80

11-18-05, 16:33

...for the most part, I wouldn't worry too much about security if you're "hidden" from the public. At best they show you the exit and try to emabarrass you.... As long as the girls are cool and stealthy and the pick-ups aren't liquid stupid, they'll get by. The pit mainly wants their clientle to spend their moneey on the tables and if the girl keeps them there to spend it, they get a star. If they pul a player off the game while he's holding a lot - they could run into some resistance.
Cienga32 summarizes my perspective perfectly. Thanks also to Psyber Zombie and Desert Dude for weighing in. While I appreciate Guady's attempt to offer tips to out-of-towners, I'm not exactly seeing much in his scattered truisms that any brain-active monger doesn't already know. I've been doing this for awhile in slightly grittier places than Vegas casinos. Guady seems to suggest out-of-towners need to factor in a whole new set of rules for mongering in LV to deal with the heightened levels of danger, deceitful providers, rampant casino parking lot crime, and paradoxically to that last point, the extraordinary vigilance of casino parking lot security.

I've probably visited Vegas 50 times in the past 10 years -- most of the time arriving not on the back of a turnip truck. Somehow I've missed out on all this drama. Logistics of pickups and parking seem to work pretty much the same there as other places -- with the exception that the presence of casino parking lots in places like AC and LV adds a reasonably safe alternative for doing the deed, one that is not available on the mean streets of most U.S. cities. I'll let the topic drop at this point because I'd just as soon not have a bunch of mongers joining me in parking lots and ruining a good thing.

PsyberZombie

11-18-05, 19:46

I was told the parking garage was the highest crime area of a casino. They know you have money going in (to gamble) and they think you have a jackpot coming out. If you are in a compromising position, the bad guys have one up on you. If people knew what was happening in casino garages, more people would valet.

Casino Properties are probably the *safest* places on Earth , G·1 = BE·CAUSE of the fact that EVERY·THING there is caught on tape

Can any·one here post a link to a Story in , say , the L·V SUN , about a mugging / robbery / rape / murder in one of these Major Strip Casinos Garages ??

Wastrel

11-18-05, 20:58

I'll let the topic drop at this pointAfter dismissively slamming the other poster who's opinion doesn't match yours. You're quite welcome to disagree, as some friends here have, but I sure don't care for that method of doing so.

I haven't "missed that drama." Am I "off the turnip truck?" They are prime high crime areas and magnets for opportunistic thugs, and they are patrolled for just that reason. Find it paradoxical if you wish, I don't, it's what I see. My particular turnip truck has for years travelled to Los Angeles and parked with SWs in selected spots in the most notorious ghetto, but won't do the same thing in a Las Vegas casino garage, becuase I find them to be simultaneously more patrolled and more dangerous places to have my pants down. It may be a dumb place to mug someone, but there doesn't seem to be an intelligence test to join the street creep union. Perhaps it is a little different than Atlantic City, I wouldn't know about that. This is a city of a million and a half people, including many who've not earned their boy scout good citizenship merit badge.

Do what you feel comfortable with, but I have been questioned by security on one occasion while cleaning my windshield and another while briefly checking my drive belts to investigate a noise, and also know of two killings during robberies in casino parking within the last six months, as well as having to personally ask a group of surly menacing bandana clad dudes to please finish smoking their little glass pipe a few feet further down so I can back my car out of it's space at the Flamingo. I have had a few serious close scrapes in the past just going to my car from the casino when I was not attentive to my environment, and I take precautions there, not a special feeling of unique safety. I think I may be just a little bit familiar with the subject too, and I may have been seen here and there around Vegas, oh, at least once or twice perhaps. Trick rolls are very common in LV, and one should not think there is some magical immunity on casino land. Ask the family of the man killed while having his car jacked at the Bellagio.

P.S. to PZ, Here you go:

Police seek shooter of man killed in Palms parking lot
Las Vegas police say prostitution might be factor in incident
By FRANK CURRERI
REVIEW-JOURNAL

A 38-year-old man was gunned down Tuesday morning in front of the Palms.

Authorities are investigating whether prostitution played a role in the slaying, the second outside the hotel in two years.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Apr-27-Wed-2005/news/26387097.html

Don't expect to get what you just requested very often. This incident is unusual in that it was allowed to get into the public press in Las Vegas. The industry usually prevents that kind of publicity, unless there is a celebrity involved and it is publicized elsewhere. Casinos are more significant to local media advertising departments than all other industries combined. They are not usually in the Vegas press. The poor tourist slaughtered at the Bellagio was buried in a paragraph in the back pages, and a string of serial muggings in garages was killed in print, and when the police description of the prolific suspect was allowed to be mentioned on one broadcast station they omitted locations to avoid naming casinos in an unfavorable context.

The most heavily survielled place on earth DOES NOT equal the safest.

P.P.S. You got me curious about how many of the incidents that I know about have made the local press. The answer is not many, in fact none of them that I have some direct knowlege about, just those with some special "hook" to make them more newsworthy or hard to ignore than usual. The R-J no longer permits free use of it's archives beyond a week, but a quick check did allow me to call up some abstracts, and you'll have to pay for complete access. The R-J has now absorbed the Sun. Here's a little sample tour, on-Strip, off-Strip, and downtown:

Date: June 11, 2005
Section: City
Page: 2B
Words: 386

Poker champion details heist attempt at Bellagio
By GLENN PUIT REVIEW-JOURNAL

One of the nation's best poker players told in court Friday how he fended off two robbers trying to steal his $150,000 in gambling chips during an ill-advised attack at Bellagio last year.

Greg "Fossilman" Raymer said he was returning to his hotel room at the Strip resort on Dec. 20 at 2 a.m. with $150,000 in chips in a duffle bag when authorities allege Kevin R. Joy, 35, and Deem Cassim, 31, tried to jump him and force

Date: August 28, 2005
Section: City
Page: 3B
Words: 792

WEEK IN REVIEW: Gunman kills woman in Suncoast parking lot
Ronald Miller stared down the barrel of a gun on Tuesday and didn't beg for mercy. "Go ahead and do it, you son of a *****," Miller recalled telling the armed stranger who ambushed him and his wife in the Suncoast casino parking lot Tuesday morning.

Within seconds, the man made good on his threat to kill and pulled the trigger. Miller's wife, Julie, 68, who he said had offered the gunman money, lay dying in the Henderson couple's

Date: April 22, 2005
Section: City
Page: 3B
Words: 217

Man sought in series of assaults, robberies
REVIEW-JOURNAL Las Vegas police are asking the public for help in identifying a man investigators believe has assaulted and robbed five elderly men since December in downtown Las Vegas.

The suspect, police said, watches elderly men inside resorts and follows them when they proceed to an elevator, police said.

The suspect then has followed the victims as they exit the elevator. He has grabbed them and pushed them to the ground before robbing them, police said.

Wastrel

11-18-05, 23:16

Here's another possibility that might work for some, though I generally prefer more conventional inexpensive hotel accomodations if I'm into something more than parking. An excerpt from something I previously posted elsewhere:

<SNIP>

I'll give some hints in another direction by quoting some amateur reviews of a place somewhat well known locally: the Oasis Motel at 1731 Las Vegas Blvd South, culled from one of those travel web sites, which I believe are a representative sample of opinion on the establishment:

Date Visited: 04/03 - Bad Visit
DO NOT VISIT THIS MOTEL!!! Rooms are advertized as "Jacuzzi Rooms" - that is why we went there. THE ROOM WAS A DUMP WITH NO JACUZZI (not even a bathtub!) The room was filthy with a door that was coming off of the hinges, wires coming out of the wall, a wobbly bed, an exposed nail sticking out of the headboard, a dripping faucet, and the list could go on and on. We went back to the cashier and she said "sorry no refund". There were no other rooms available and she would not even give a discount. We left this place and stayed at a beautiful suite at the LUXOR instead.

Date Visited: 12/02 - Good Visit
Great place to go to get away from the kids and other family members. This is and Adult Motel it was Adult Tv XXX and thats why we go there we can cut lose and have are fun. Price is right for 3hr slots and they have theme rooms availble.

Rated family friendly: 0%
Rated not family friendly: 100%
Would return: 50%

Amenities:
Casino: No
Restaurant: No
Pool: No
Health Club: No
Pets Allowed: Yes (!)
Convention Facility: No
Motor Coach Group: No

I gather the first reviewer showed up with luggage and paid for an overnight stay expecting to actually sleep there, which probably shocked the bejeesus out of the desk clerk. Pets allowed? Hell, I don't imagine the night desk clerk at the Oasis would notice if you showed up for a threesome with Osama bin Laden, a boa constrictor, and the Queen of England, so long as both Osama and Her Majesty are prepared to present valid picture ID, as required by local ordinance. But arriving with luggage, now that would be suspicious behavior.

<SNIP & END QUOTE>

If you're feeling snarky you could try asking the clerk for the Stu Ungar memorial "time to fold 'em" suite or the David Strickland special. It's been a favorite place for some well known people to end their time in Vegas by checking out, so to speak. In the same way as the Nicholas Cage character in the film "Leaving Las Vegas."

Footluvr

11-19-05, 00:47

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PsyberZombie

11-19-05, 09:11

The Most Eye·Opening Post of the Year Award goes to Wastrel , for =

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=399043&postcount=535

Cienega32

11-19-05, 14:25

Casino Properties are probably the *safest* places on Earth , G·1 = BE·CAUSE of the fact that EVERY·THING there is caught on tape

Can any·one here post a link to a Story in , say , the L·V SUN , about a mugging / robbery / rape / murder in one of these Major Strip Casinos Garages ??

Just because the story isn't in the paper or on the news doesn't mean it didn't happen. And it won't be public record unless it's reported as a crime to Metro. And even then it might not show up in the news. Not even all caisno robberies are on the news.

Believe it or not I have seen people report to security, AND request metro, the fact that they had called for an escort, and while in the bathroom, the girl would split with the idiot's money - all she could find in the room. "I've been robbed!" - "You've been rolled".

EVERYTHING is NOT caught on tape. Parking surveillence is not mandatory. Patrols, at least, are. The lower the annual revenue of the house the less chance of cameras in every corner. Those "Detex" rounds that I mentioned are a physical record of security presence. If those rounds are performed in a timely manner, the casino liability is reduced greatly, in the eyes of the insurance comapanies.

Surveillence, overall, is a State required concept and it starts with the money and, sometime in the late 80's (courtesy of the 'Shoe), the security office. My philosophy has always been "It's the state's money and they give the casino a kickback". Any aspect of "the money" will have the tightest control and surveilence. From there, the needs of the casino come into play. Exits, elevator doors, etc. Not all have cams IN the elevators, on each floor, or in the parking areas.

Bear in mind that I'm not talking about the Class A casinos. And not all the Class B joints either. The A's and most of the B's will spend the money to give the guests the peace of mind and spread the word. But the Class C houses will be the ones that usually have "minimum requirements" met and a little more to cover their own asses in insurance matters. Those matters aren't mainly for crimes or events but for scams as well. The biggest of which is against the "victim"'s own insurance companies and in cases of "negligent security procedures" against the casino.

People have been known to make claims of being jacked in a garage to cover the fact that they've lost all their money and jewelry (fire sales) on the tables. It helps when they explain to their spouse with a security report and insurance claim. These types of things raise insurance premiums and give the property a bad rep. If it's found that the casino is negligent (history or obvious & blatant disregard), then there's in, or out of, court settlements to deal with.

The rounds are made for a variety of reasons. Potential fire/flood hazards, body dumpings, prowlings, muggings, rapes, suspicious events, etc. Catching someone getting a mutally agreed upon $20 BJ in the front seat is just a bonus and usualy results in a quick verbal 86. Again if you come across a Robo-cop gung ho idiot, and there are many of them, you could end up with a full blown 86 (picture and file) and could result in a no question arrest (probably a citation but I don't know for sure).

Some guys might take you to task to "prove their value" within the department. Some might not see any difference betweent your front seat activities and a vehicle breakin - it's wrong and you did it on their property. Some might just make a report of the event for future reference in case of any associated events relative to you, her, or the vehicle. Some just might try to make you the fool and move you on. Don't know if it holds true anymore, but some might move you and negotiate their own BJ with the HO.

Most security department learn the "Powers of Arrest" from Metro. This is needed to prevent lawsuits, charges of unlawful detention, and reduces liabity for the casino. Sadly, many of those Robo-cop types see that as being a mini-cop and play cops & robbers with that "self-empowerment".

This being a "post 9-11" world, and being the concept behind Las Vegas makes it a perfect target, the security methods are heightned a lot more than they used to be. It used to be just a "property protection" type concept. Now's it's a "We're in this together" type attitude thru-out town.

That and the fact that every security guard in the world now wants to be the one that made the big life/property saving score makes a post 9-11 world a little different than it used to be.

Cienega32

11-19-05, 14:33

One of my first days of work in Las Vegas, somewhere in 81 I think it was, found me in a bit of a wise-guy type house. Being from the land of wise-guys, I figured I would try something on my own.

After flagging the broad as a potential & new CW, I struck up a conversation with her. She told me about herself and her rates (this was 81 remember). I suggested that perhaps we could work out an arrangement between herself and her friendly security guard (me).

Her expression instantly turned to one of dispair and she fumbled in her little street walker purse. She then said, "I don't know what to do - I already have to give this guy 20%". Then she handed me the swing shit pit boss's business card.

I knew the guy, he confirmed her statement and we later had a good laugh over it.

I never was able to negotiate any bargain prices with her.

Wastrel

11-19-05, 16:16

She then said, "I don't know what to do - I already have to give this guy 20%".So if the poor girl met half a dozen friendly helpful guys she could end up going into debt every time she did a date.

Wastrel

11-19-05, 16:23

Surveillence, overall, is a State required concept and it starts with the money...It's been my understanding that it was first and foremost to help correct the arithmetic challenged folks in the counting room with their 'Vegas math.' "Two for the house, one for the gubment, one for da boys in Chicago. Four for the house, two for the gubment, two for da boys..."

Cienega32

11-19-05, 16:45

So if the poor girl met half a dozen friendly helpful guys she could end up going into debt every time she did a date.

Nah - the shift boss controlled her "fate/future" and the card was her way of saying "I'm covered".

It was pretty funny when I approached the guy and asked just how the hell was I suppossed to score up in this joint!

We had another pit boss (an old numbers runner from Jersey) who would deal from time to time. Of course, prior to that, he would claim to have left something in the casino mgr's office, we would let him in, and he would accidently lock a cam off one table. That would be the table he would open upon his return.

I learned much, back then, about gaming regs. Not to be the enforcer but to know when to look away. If you don't see it - you don't know it. Of course when we would get people like TOny Pro Jr. come to play the cams would burn holes in the table and security (usually me) was instructed to be within 6 feet of junior - by his request. That was a good gig that resulted in a couple of yards falling my way everytime he played.

Of course Gaming Control was a little different as well, back then. If a customer called them to complain about a machine's payout (or lack there of), a field agent or two would come out, plunk some iron in the machine and if they got a cherry somewhere down the line the claim was dismissed with a casual "Seems to pay OK to me" and be on their way.

The best part was watching the owner play craps with house money buy-ins and cash out. Same guy would run rack of blacks to the crap table when Stupek (I threw him out once and that was a lifetime memory for me. He was a piece of shit) would play. That would be without any paperwork. One cashier explained that she the needed paperwork to complete the transaction. The owner explained that if she wanted her fuc&ing job she would get the rack on the counter now. "It's my f'ing money and if want to finish the shift you'll get it." Never saw the broad again, after that nite, nor did I hear of any repercussions of his actions.

Ahhh, the good ole days are gone.

Cienega32

11-19-05, 16:48

It's been my understanding that it was first and foremost to help correct the arithmetic challenged folks in the counting room with their 'Vegas math.' "Two for the house, one for the gubment, one for da boys in Chicago. Four for the house, two for the gubment, two for da boys..."

All they were doing was trying to reduce that heavy burden of paperwork for the accounting department. That's all. I can see their point. Why wait for the process - just send it now.

Sadly, the fine State of Nevada didn't see it that way. They didn't care for the back doors in the count rooms either. Fussy bastards...

Mike 80

11-21-05, 02:58

Wastrel,
Sorry I won't be snotty this time. :-) Thanks for the interesting link and snippets. Hadn't heard about the Raymer thing. All duly noted. But since you've brought it up, I would point out that the Palms incident and all of the other stories you cite involved people who at some point if not during the entire crime were outside their vehicle. My #1 rule of mongering inside a casino parking lot is always drive into the lot with the girl in your car, never leave the vehicle, and then drive out with the girl in your car. I've never experienced a bad situation observing that rule. Occasional bad service for sure, but nothing even close to a problem with security or threat of crime. You're a smart guy, I enjoy your posts, but I can't believe you're serious in saying you feel safer parking with an SW in the most notorious LA ghetto than at a LV casino. As you indicate, everyone has their own comfort level. For myself, when I think of the volume of cars and people that file through Vegas (and AC) parking garages in the course of a year, I like my chances better one on one with a girl in a closed car in a casino lot than anywhere in the ghetto.

Wastrel

11-21-05, 06:03

I guess there is something I don't understand: what is leading you to believe you are more "one on one" with her in that garage than in another alternate location you might have selected in advance? Here's a suggestion, which sounds like it is already part of your parking method if I understand it correctly: for those who like the casino garage idea, don't just walk her to the parked car on the property where you picked her up, but instead I suggest that it's worth driving away to park at another Casino garage on a different property, to reduce the likelihood of meeting her Uncle Leroy who is often nearby, in just the same way as I don't park elsewhere in town in a place too near the pickup and not of my careful choosing with any SW. If she particularly wants you to do that at that specific property, and only there, hint, hint, not a good sign. If I wanted to do it in one of those garages, I do like your rules of drive her in do it and drive her out. I'll add to that a general parking rule I have wherever I park: I don't leave my keys dangling in the ignition switch, and my other keys are not attached to it. No prize for guessing that came from some specific experience.

Wherever we choose to go we will still have fewer legal rights against stop, search, and seizure and more more legal dangers (where did that come from, it's not mine, I swear) in any motor vehicle, almost anywhere except your garage at home. My concern for provoking encounters with Casino security folks by being that outrageous in a public area on a gaming property is really not that I think they're very likely to want to see me jailed for that, though they could if the working girl is stupid as a few of them are, but is more related to the fact that I live nearby and I'm around a lot, and plan to stay that way, so perhaps that's not as relevant to some other readers of this who are occasional visitors.

Though I do agree with what I take to be your more general notion that one is more vulnerable to getting rolled on the way to the car than when in it, you are very much mistaken in stating that the instances I cite are all of people who were out of their vehicles. The very specific instance I cited was at the Bellagio, and he was shot to death in his car. I wrote that none of the recent incidents I'm aware of are included in the sample of recent news abstracts I pulled up in response to the request for a news link. Again, I'm not understanding why it would be presumed that being in your car there is better than an alternate place to be in your car. It is completely contrary to my own experience. And why the garage in particular in preference to the surface lot if you feel that a gaming property confers some kind of immunity from problems? Folks will want to believe what they want to believe, and often make decisions based on what something looks like. So be it; those illusions built the town.

But one more time, take it for what you feel it's worth: trick rolls are very common in this town, and there are several happening somewhere on the Strip right now as I write this. My safety is my responsiblity when doing something that isn't exactly legal and mixing with individuals who aren't exactly boy & girl scouts, and paying expensive prices for good looks and pretty decoration does absolutely nothing in terms of security, safety, or her performance for that matter. It gets you an appealing appearance, period.

One more suggestion: next time you're in town, stand on a pedestrian skybridge, say the one crossing Flamingo looking down towards the walkway and sitting area out in front of Bally's, and take notice of the dudes sauntering and milling around alone below with no apparent destination or interest in any of the resorts or attractions, and think about what you think they are doing there, and where they might be from. Will you believe me if I tell you that I have recognized a few from south LA as well as a similar area of Las Vegas? Probably not, so I won't tell you. I prefer a parking place more discretely under my sole control, and yes I have places selected in ghettos and elsewhere in which I have that. Low-income or visually unappealing non-residential places can in some ways be easier for locating that than "good" areas. I have been doing this for a while too, and my parking spots are not usually selected on the spur of the moment.

I don't want to foolishly try to convince you to drop something that seems to work for you, and I suspect people reading through this conversation will take the information and probably end up all over the map with differing individual decisions on this based on their personal attitudes and experiences. I was maybe about one-quarter of the way swayed by the discussion to think about whether I could make some version of the garage gig work for me, anyway. I'll look forward to more of your well written posts, and I promise not to complain if I happen to pull into the adjoining parking slot.

Guady1

11-21-05, 07:08

NRS 201.263 ?Sexual conduct? defined. ?Sexual conduct? means acts of masturbation, homosexuality, sexual intercourse or physical contact with a person?s unclothed genitals or pubic area.

Once again for the out of towners I am trying to keep informed, be careful while in sin city. You can do the deed, wherever you feel comfortable.

As far as casino parking garages, the cameras do not see everything. They have blind spots. Many areas are covered when the surveillance person "pans" the camera to that area.

Have you ever seen the news, show video of a crime? Most of the time you can't see anything, I don't know why they show them. Most video replays are shotty, not in focus, bad angles, what have you. The bad guys know this and continue to commit crimes.

I worked at a local casino(security) about two years ago and that was only two days a week (it was actually for mongering money, or waste money as I used to call it). Just in those two days, the things that was happening and at a local casino at that, was unbelievable.

I actually quit, because I got tired of the crime against people who came, and how the casino didn't do much to protect them. That goes for all of them, they do very little to protect you, its all about the bottom line.

I have seen crimes live and played back, who are these people? This guy waited at the elevator(in the garage) and as soon as the door opened, he grabbed a womans purse and got clean away(also knocked her down in the process) and nobody has a clue who this guy is.

Do you think the casino will put his picture on the news? Let's say its digital clear, I don't think so, because they don't want people to know "their" casino has that kind of activity.

One last note, look at the previous years crimes, they list hundreds of robberies, thefts, rapes, etc., do you think all of that is on the news?
Since there is 365 days in a year, That would be "news" all day to tell you all the crime "that was reported".

Mike 80

11-21-05, 09:24

If I wanted to do it in one of those garages, I do like those rules of drive her in do it and drive her out
As you said earlier, perhaps this is one on those cases in which friends will just have to agree to disagree. But I think maybe we're moving closer to something we do agree on. To clarify the point quoted above, yes you're correct in noting that the practice I follow does adhere to one of your own rules. I do NOT walk girls out to the garage and do my business there. No desire to meet Uncle Leroy or raise red flags among surveillance or garage security whose interest I might pique by walking out to my car through the casino. Instead these are always pickups I've made somewhere else on the street. The garage I select and the spot inside the garage are always of my own choosing. Once there we stay only long enough to do the deed then it's back out onto the street. That's the limitation of the practice I'm proposing is safe.

I separate that from occasions where I pick up a girl and take her back to the casino where I am staying. In that situation I think it's somewhat less likely that I'll run into her Uncle Leroy but admit there's some possibility of encountering Leroy the Stranger Opportunist. I'll certainly grant there is an element of danger in that situation -- as well as when walking her out to the car to drive back where I found her. But that's different from the more limited practice I've been focussing on. I do appreciate the valid concerns you raise about vulnerabilty to casino crime. Thanks.

Wastrel

11-21-05, 20:08

I do NOT walk girls out to the garage and do my business there. No desire to meet Uncle Leroy or raise red flags among surveillance or garage security whose interest I might pique by walking out to my car through the casino. Instead these are always pickups I've made somewhere else on the street. The garage I select and the spot inside the garage are always of my own choosing...

...I separate that from occasions where I pick up a girl and take her back to the casino where I am staying. In that situation I think it's somewhat less likely that I'll run into her Uncle Leroy but admit there's some possibility of encountering Leroy the Stranger Opportunist.I'm probably more suspicious and cautious about this stuff than the majority of guys here, and may be in danger of becoming the resident old maid always nagging to look both ways before crossing the street, but I do think there are some general principles embedded in that plan that are good to think about almost anywhere you do it.

It is much harder to pull any kind of set-up if she had no way of knowing the destination in advance and it isn't near the spot of the pickup or is inaccessible to anyone else without my permission. It's also less convenient for someone planning to do the old plain vanilla cash and dash. I only follow my own advice about 90% of the time, but having these rules in mind makes me think about what I'm doing if I'm about to make an exception. I think many of the unhappy surprise hangovers from hell in Las Vegas involve someone who comes to town with more dollars than sense and has about twelve too many free drinks and/or is hypnotized by her looks, putting their ordinary healthy skepticism into a temporary vegetative state when doing something they would never have done elsewhere, on the vague theory that if it's in Vegas reality is suspended and there can't be any of the normal consequences that would have made them think twice about doing the same thing in the same way back in Buffalo. "Clueless tourists travelling while stupid" stories serve as an entertaining local spectator sport substituting for the absence of a major professional sports franchise. The transient nature of the business in the resorts also might contribute to it, since they don't think there's much chance they'll ever run into you again.

On any one single roll of the dice I don't think these are extremely high probability events if I use the same ordinary horse sense I'd want to use anywhere else, but I do this stuff often enough that if I allow myself to get too complacent and careless it would just be a matter of time before I crapped out.

James64

11-21-05, 22:31

Picked up Angela at Budget Suites.

Nice girl.

Likes her crack, though.

No reliable digits.

Cienega32

11-22-05, 01:12

As far as casino parking garages, the cameras do not see everything. They have blind spots. Many areas are covered when the surveillance person "pans" the camera to that area.

And even with stationary cams, or with auto PTZ cams, the cluster is set up to give some degree of continuity from one to the next. That reduces the blind spots. With stationary cams you can eliminate blind spots all together, if not for some obstruction such as a support pillar. The frames on the monitor can be aligned to give an easy read. You enter one cam's field of view as you leave another's. Another consideration is not all cams need to be in bubbles as in the gaming areas or in a secured "mailbox". Most cams are in place as a visual deterant, like weapons used to be years ago. Most cams are meant to be seen - not all.

I worked at a local casino(security) about two years ago and that was only two days a week (it was actually for mongering money, or waste money as I used to call it). Just in those two days, the things that was happening and at a local casino at that, was unbelievable.

I actually quit, because I got tired of the crime against people who came, and how the casino didn't do much to protect them. That goes for all of them, they do very little to protect you, its all about the bottom line.

I have seen crimes live and played back, who are these people? This guy waited at the elevator(in the garage) and as soon as the door opened, he grabbed a womans purse and got clean away(also knocked her down in the process) and nobody has a clue who this guy is.

Do you think the casino will put his picture on the news? Let's say its digital clear, I don't think so, because they don't want people to know "their" casino has that kind of activity.

One last note, look at the previous years crimes, they list hundreds of robberies, thefts, rapes, etc., do you think all of that is on the news?
Since there is 365 days in a year, That would be "news" all day to tell you all the crime "that was reported".

Another reason you won't see anything on the news is the fact that it's a useless endeavor. It'll mean nothing as it's only a snatch crime. Ranks up there with bucket grabs. No one really gives a crap that a $250 bucket of quarters got snatched. You're the dope for leaving them accessable. It's not a crime that earns priority, endangers the general population or has much chance of being solved.

The picture, if available, will be shared with other casino security forces, tho'. That network is also Metro accessable as they established it in the 80's with printers attached to old dial-up modems for text messages related to events ("Crime Alert Terminals" or CATs). Now if the subject appears on other events around town (or even in the same joint) commiting crimes over & over, with no real leads available, you'll see it on the news.

I've spent over 20 years in casino security (not any more) - many as Chief (No further info needs to be provided). I've worked with the huge fucking NASA type rooms and I've established smaller surveillance rooms that were well above and beyond what they call "minimum requirements" as set by Gaming COntrol. I've established patrol patterns & methods, policies & procedures that proved to be extremely effective. The biggest hole in any system, that relies on people's performance in order to work properly, is the people relied upon.

The details above are the main reason why I'm a bit outdated in the monger hobby. Lots of old-time memories with a huge void of info somewhere down the line. Sometimes it was just too hard to remain stealthy. It's an odd feeling when you go to some old Fremont Street shithole, notice some security checking you & the ho out and you realize that you recently fired the guy. Even stranger to be told you have a phone call and hear a friendly & familar voice say, "Look up to your left and smile!" Many houses consider such activities as "unbecoming" and possibly a conflict of interest to the department that you run. Better to lay low than to deal with a vengeful ex-employee or be the topic of gossip amongst "brothers in arms".

And like Wastrel, I still don't need any notoriety on the other side of the fence from various contacts and/or business relationships that have been established from that job. But I CAN tell you all a thing or two about how it works (in a pre 9-11 sense, of course).

Guady1

11-22-05, 05:59

PsyberZombie

11-22-05, 07:21

I'll add to that a general parking rule I have wherever I park: I don't leave my keys dangling in the ignition switch, and my other keys are not attached to it. No prize for guessing that came from some specific experience..

I don't even use the Original manufacturer's key when mongering , just a cheap hard·ware store copy ; and I keep another copy hidden on board , too

Not that I've ever had a Bad Experience involving keys , but there are enough stories out there — like Wastrel's — that pre·emptive action seems adviseable

Wherever we choose to go we will still have fewer legal rights against stop, search, and seizure and more more legal dangers (where did that come from, it's not mine, I swear) in any motor vehicle, almost anywhere except your garage at home

A General Principle is that it's better and safer to have your Date on Private Property than in Public , where LE can just stumble up·on you at any given moment , and might very well routinely patrol public areas known to be used for these purposes

That's why I prefer places like Casino Garages or surface lots when I'm in LV ; and at home places like large apartment complex or factory parking lots ; cemeteries ; golf courses ; or the outer fringes of other private land

No matter how many other girls use the spot and how well known it is , LE doesn't generally patrol on Private Property ; and I'd rather take my chances with Security Guards then the local Police any day

AlabamaSam

11-23-05, 03:43

Hey,

Can you move the camera talk somewhere else? I want to talk about hot b*tches.

A

Cienega32

11-23-05, 20:53

I used to work surveillance in a large casino and I can tell you they have many blind spots. We would get calls asking if we got something on camera, and we would say out of camera range or too far to tell.

In the case of the woman getting her purse taken, that would be classified as strong arm robbery, because force was used. That is also a felony crime.

Times have changed from bucket theft. By the way, anything over $250 in value is a felony theft. The crooks have not given up because the new machines issuing tickets, as matter of fact, I think there is more theft.

With the new ticket system, you don't have to run with a heavy bucket. Just grab the ticket and go. Now, they do have a system that can void a stolen ticket, but you have to beat the crooks to the cash out booths. They cash that ticket so fast, the victim doesn't even have a chance to tell security before they can stop it.

They said on the news, Las Vegas is ranked 7th in the nation in crime. Just to let you know whats happening in this fair city.

People talk about trick rolls, they don't talk about how some girls burg. rooms after they have been with a guy. Yeah, the pimp is on them hot and heavy to make that green, so he can pay for his escalade.

These girls walk the halls, looking for open doors. Rob the guest of their valuables. If they get the attention of the guest, they just say they went into the wrong room, sorry.

The guest will believe her or hesitate long enough for her to leave the hotel safely. If a man tried that, there would be a different outcome.

The casino could care less about cw's. With the exception of feeding the high rollers, they aren't worth anything to the casino. Do you think they bring in customers? Do you think they give the casino any of that untaxed money?

They are, for the most part, a nusiance to the casino.

One last note and I am out of here. heading to the international posts. I am not on this to debate what I see and know.

Be careful who you stick, she could stick you right back. Metro used to send over photos of girls highly infected and asked sec. to watch it if they were taking any of them into custody. There is alot going on in this town.

Keep informed.

Gee - I hope you don't think we're debating anything. I'm only trying to enhance the available information. However - if you DO think I'm trying to debate what you see & know...

The point of whether or not a purse snatch, or a bucket grab of $250 or more is a felony, has nothing to do with my point. SHowing your knowledge and use of terminology means nothing to me as far as my point.

My point is the odds of the subject getting caught is damn near nil. No one gives a crap. If there was personal injury it'll have a better chance of being pursued and even then don't hold your breath over some skinned knees. Shit is going to happen.

A purse snatch is a purse snatch - regardless of strong-arm. No one gives a crap. After the purse is found in some garbage can, or another casino calls to trace the key and ownership, the vic is usually just glad to have their ID back. Look at the severity of the crime other than the legal definition of it. Being a felony doesn't mean shit for any reason other than the conviction.

If these victims don't know or aren't informed that the chances of the subject being caught is small, then they are living in a fantasy world. That's the real world.

I'm not a big fan of "crime stats" for Vegas. Mainly because we are a tourist town with many, many stupid tourists who leave themselves open to crime. Another reason is those stats are based on crimes reported. Many of those crimes reported come from stupid people who leave their purse next to them on the floor, are too drunk to make sure their room door is closed, forget to close their car door let alone lock it,etc,.etc.. Those are crimes commited against stupid people and they report it. It skews the numbers.

A hotel/casino cannot provide security for every guest nor can they provide it every 10 feet on every floor of the hotel. Shit is going to happen and people need to excercise some smarts when they leave the confines of their home. People need to protect themselves from themselves first.

There are some smarter ones that realized they boneheaded themselves into the situation and won't even report it. Our larceny/theft stats are a bit lower than national averages. Our GTAs are thru the roof. Most people want their cars back and the subject caught. It goes on a hot sheet and if it's found - it's found. If it's noticed - it's noticed.

For ANY security to think a manhunt should commence (not in a literal sense) because it's a felony is either living in a fantasy world or has, what I call, a Robo-Cop attitude and usually becomes a problem to the department, property and/or guests.

One needs to look closely at the severity of the crime and how it affects the real world. A purse snatch can be either unfortunate or just stupidity. A bucket grab is stupidity - either on the part of the victim for not assessing their environment and/or on the part of the casino for not addressing the potential problem to begin with. Once upon a time there weren't partitions between machine rows and it was a effortless hobby for many.

Now when you apply that potential Robo-Cop mentality to our monger world we can have a problem. "BLOWJOB!!! It's a crime!!! I have a badge!!!" Those are the guys that have long days and think that the more they fill their event log and have more IRs than everyone, then the better they are at their job. Some guys can assess the situation - others can't see the forest thru the trees. Now what to do - crime against nature, sodomy, indecent shit, pay for play? Oh my!

As far as black holes in surveillence - I didn't say that were no blind spots. I said there doesn't have to be. A casino isn't going to cam every square inch of a remote area unless that area is somewhat hot. Most will address the hole after a crime against a person. A second event in the same place could be defined as negligent and be a costly settlement. ANy area that has a reasonable amount of traffic, guest or employee, should have a solid grid, or at least minimal loss of coverage. If an individual gets lost in a zone after leaving one field of view within that zone, then that coverage is severly lacking and needs to be addressed.

But for myself - I would be leary of parking garages, tho' the Barbary used to be good 20 years ago!

Again, Guady1 - my intent wasn't to debate anything you said but to add to it. That line of work isn't black & white. There's a lot of grey area that comes from many things and one of those things can be personal judgement calls, by security, on a situation.

Like in parking garage BJs.

Zippy2853

11-24-05, 21:53

I leave for wonderful Vegas Friday @ 8:20 pm. I should be in town by 11:30 local time. I will be traveling the the wife, but have already told her we WILL have some "alone" time. Im looking for some last min. travel tips.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Zippy

Big Joe 11

11-25-05, 02:13

In the bar next the Syn Night Club in Riviera, a good looking and busty blonde is sitting by herself. When I checked her out, she looked at me as she was interested (I ain't no eye candy but any strench of imagination. I am more like an eye sore)! Unwilling to pay the price and I just got released by an AMP, I passed and move on. I would love to do her!!! She is still there!

Zippy2853

11-27-05, 17:13

130-230am:

Saw this younger blonde bouncing from a guy at a slot machine to some guy at the bar. Finally caught her eye and she nodded. She went back to the guy at the slot machine talked for a min. and landed with the guy at the bar. As they walked off, she looked back at me and shruged her sholders as to say "sorry". A min later the slot guy got up, shot me a look and followed the pair off. Oh well, so close.

I thought about flashing the blonde some cash, but I thought it would have been too obvious.

I also noticed that this blonde, another big titted brunette, and a couple other girls on the floor all were wearing this silver necklace with a heart on it. I also notice that there were a few guys at slot machine who didnt see to into the machine play. Maybe a trend or maybe a sign. Not sure, but I'll keep my eye out.

Zippy2853

11-30-05, 05:58

Around 1230.

Was walking around and past 2 girls, a blonde maybe a 6 and a brunette around a 8 playing at a machine. The brunette was talking with an onlder fella. She gave him her number and told him to call her later. I made eye contact with the blonde, but I didnt stay around. Didn't want it to look like these girls had a line.

I ran into them again at the slot machines just outside of the south tower head. As I walked by the brunette called me over. We chatted for a min. she told me 1500 for both of them for the hour. She told me that they had a room upstairs and that I could meet them there. Seeing that the brunette was cuter and more appealing I said 1000 for the night. The blonde told me that they were a pacage deal and it was their place or no place. At that point something just didnt set right. Told them not tonight then and walked off.

By the way these 2 looked, they seemed too clean, too young, and too non-local to know the ins and outs.

Speck

12-01-05, 21:50

I know these two. They both used to be sw in Los Angeles, staying on Sunset Bl. at a motel across the street from where Denny's used to be...near Sunset and Gardner. I have seen them a few times at Aladdin. They are all about money...getting you in and out. At $300 for the pair, let alone $1000, you would consider them rob's.

I got lucky one night and got them both for $150 for what amounted to 20 minutes of fun until I finished. Next time I picked up the brunette only and she said she had a place. We went to that hotel, went in to the bathroom and I handed her $100 expecting sex. Didn't happen. Only CBJ and I never picked either up again.

Too bad the yahoo group for Los Angeles streetwalkers is no more. Their pics were posted there.

Around 1230.

Was walking around and past 2 girls, a blonde maybe a 6 and a brunette around a 8 playing at a machine. The brunette was talking with an onlder fella. She gave him her number and told him to call her later. I made eye contact with the blonde, but I didnt stay around. Didn't want it to look like these girls had a line.

I ran into them again at the slot machines just outside of the south tower head. As I walked by the brunette called me over. We chatted for a min. she told me 1500 for both of them for the hour. She told me that they had a room upstairs and that I could meet them there. Seeing that the brunette was cuter and more appealing I said 1000 for the night. The blonde told me that they were a pacage deal and it was their place or no place. At that point something just didnt set right. Told them not tonight then and walked off.

By the way these 2 looked, they seemed too clean, too young, and too non-local to know the ins and outs.

KR Blade

12-02-05, 01:48

Stayed at the Palms for business. Action was extremely nice. Most of the time, CGs can be found between 1am - 5am either sitting at the bar as soon as you walk in or in the center bar. Donation for time starts off at 1k from the girls but all agreed for 300.

During the stay, hooked up with a very cute brunette girl, 9 out of 10. She must have been 22, 5ft 1, 90lbs. Around 4am in the morning, she agreed for 300.

Very nice girl, friendly, honest and trustworthy, BBBJ, CG, GREEK!!

Since the experience was rated high, Repeated again in the following night.

She did warn that usually 2 girls working together means trouble.

During another night, there were several girls sitting by the bar playing the video slots. Obviously, they were working girls. Most of them were 8++

Rocker25

12-02-05, 02:03

Hi guys,

I've been reading the board for a while. But, a first time poster.

I've been to Vegas twice in the past year. Most recently just a few weeks ago. Thanks to this board, I've done a lot of sight-seeing. However, yet to take part.

I have a question that I hope somebody can answer? The first time I was in Vegas back in June. I noticed this CW sitting and working the high-roller slot machine area in front of the bar in that corner of the MGM.

This past time I was in Vegas, just a few weeks ago. I noticed the same CW working the Casino at Mandalay. This CW is about 5'0-5'5, medium build, seems to be in her early to mid twenties, has shakira style and colored hair and dresses very classy, usually in a nice tight dress that shows her nice size chest.This past time I also noticed she has a tattoo on her shoulder, which appears to be a name of some sort? I'm not sure what nationality she is? She looks like she could maybe be white, latina, mualto, or a mix of something? Does anybody know whom I'm talking about, and anything about her? She has to be one of the most attractive woman I've ever seen! Not just CW.

I should also add I saw her between 12-4AM. Also, she tends to walk around with at least one or two other CW.

Thanks Rocker25

Steve M

12-02-05, 15:25

Wastrel

12-02-05, 23:16

Hello All,

I was watching "CSI" last night and saw they showed a party bus complete with beautiful strippers & a full bar that went from club to club picking up & dropping off customers. The story went that the activities on the bus were relatively "unsupervised" as opposed to what goes on in the clubs.

Fact or Fiction? Does this sort of thing really exist?

Probably fiction 'cause those guys were having WAY too much fun.

Have fun.

SteveWell, I don't happen to know of any fully pre-packaged deals exactly like that, but some things really aren't as far fetched in Las Vegas as they might sound elsewhere. If you go back to some older posts in this thread, you'll see that some have made their own party bus to go out of the separate ingredients readily available in town: limo service, bottled beverage, hooker plucked out of Strip casino, just add money and you're good to go. See, for example this post: http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=301189&postcount=1584 An interesting "sightseeing" plan if you've got a travelling companion or business associates at your hotel who may not wish to join in your nocturnal excercise routine, or you just want the rush of staging a reenactment of a scene from the film "Wall Street."

A while back I suggested one of the helicopter moonlight "wedding party" tours over the city could also be a high end option, so to speak. But I think they have a rule against taking bottled beverages up in the choppers over the Strip, even if soiling a few condoms isn't likely to be a problem, with an appropriate tip.

Cienega32

12-02-05, 23:57

Wastrel

12-03-05, 01:19

Fact in Tampa Bay - at least during football season. They just busted one that provided lap dances (etc) and drinks for their customers.

Extra! Extra! Read all about it -
http://www.ksdk.com/news/hot_topics_article.aspx?storyid=88587
"...charged with commercial nudity, nudity where alcoholic beverages are sold, and unnatural and lascivious act."

Cool.

But judging by the published mugshots, they really could stand to upgrade the quality of the strippers 'round Tampa. The one on the right looks like she'd rather fry me up with some chitlins 'n gravy than s?ck my d$ck.

There's a place that's part of the Deju Vu titty bar empire somewhere in Vegas, right?

P.S. Don't miss the video of the dee-luxe stretch mongermobile; link is on the upper right of the web page, accompanied by a Cadillac commercial!

Vanderley

12-03-05, 03:51

I caught that episode of CSI as well. I always thought the show was quite realistic until I watched that particular episode. It showed the CSI guys walking in front of the Bonanza World's Largest Gift Shop on Sahara and LVBlvd with all sorts of Pretty Woman-esque SW's with glitter mini skirts loitering in the background. Ya, I wish. They also made that stretch from the Stratosphere to the Talk Of The Town on LVBlvd seem like it was the one of the more dangerous parts of all of Las Vegas.

Acaryu

12-03-05, 14:06

I am visiting from Atlanta. Went to the following clubs:
1. Spearmint Rhino - $30 to enter, quote 20-25 per dance (they will always take 20). Topless only. They will put their boobs in your face and sit on your lap and grind away. Beautiful girls galore. Must be hundreds of girls. Most in hollywood scale of 8-9s with a very few exceptions of 5-6's. Girls attitude mostly like Cheetah in Atlanta. Girls there get your money and move on. A friend who was an x dancer there told me that most of the action occurs outside of the club with the girls. Went there a second time next day, got a brand new girl (just got off from ukraine, can speak english too well) and wow, this girl is a 9.5 (please note I never gave any girl a 10 in my life. Too bad I have to take an early plane the next day or I will get her even if I have to sell my car. 21 yr old young blonde 5'7, slim, nice boobs, nice long slim legs, a girls dreams are made of. Open 24 hours. (I think local gets in free)
2. Went to showgirls - admission 15, nude, no alcohol, dance 25 on the backwall. Saw about 25 girls, varies between 3-8's.
3. Want to go to Talk of the Town but was told by the cabbie that it is not in a good neighbourhood. I did not go.

In general, Las Vegas is expensive, but if you can afford it, you can have heaven every day. Isn't it what it is intended to be!

Cienega32

12-03-05, 19:56

3. Want to go to Talk of the Town but was told by the cabbie that it is not in a good neighbourhood. I did not go.

I've never been to TOTT, but as a general rule of thumb: A Vegas cabbie telling you a tittie joint is in a bad area usually equates to "They don't kick-back anything my way so I'm going to talk you out of going there"

Unless you get that one brand new hack that not only has your best interests in mind but also refuses a tip...

And as for being expensive - follow our leads. We locals, for the most part, are "on the cheap" mongers who look for the best bang to buck ratio. Not that we need to but, speaking for myself, don't see the point of shoveling a bucket of cash out for a piece of ass.

Cienega32

12-03-05, 20:02

"...charged with commercial nudity, nudity where alcoholic beverages are sold, and unnatural and lascivious act."

Cool.

But judging by the published mugshots, they really could stand to upgrade the quality of the strippers 'round Tampa. The one on the right looks like she'd rather fry me up with some chitlins 'n gravy than s?ck my d$ck.

There's a place that's part of the Deju Vu titty bar empire somewhere in Vegas, right?

P.S. Don't miss the video of the dee-luxe stretch mongermobile; link is on the upper right of the web page, accompanied by a Cadillac commercial!
Tampa is also where the infamous cheerleader incident took place.

LoveLatin05

12-04-05, 22:57

Speck

12-05-05, 23:01

I'm from Boston, what does CW stand for. I was there last Aug and wow the black piece of ass a saw at TI was out of this world. Didnt get to hunt 2 much was w/ a non mong friend. BUT YES i will be back. I did go to the club joint across from the Golden nugget and WOW...1 really hot black stripper there goes by the name of Tyra. Im willing to go back just for her. LOL anyone knows if she still works there.

cw should be cg = casino girl. Basically the casino equivalnet of sw.

If you are impressed by Glitter Gulch, you have much to learn my friend. I suggest you invest 5 hours or so and read every post ever made in the Vegas forum here.

LoveLatin05

12-06-05, 18:49

Well in glitter I only liked 1 black girl in there. She said this was like her 1st week. I hope she still works there, but my guess is that she doesnt. Her name was tyra. LOL

LoveLatin05

12-06-05, 19:32

Acaryu

12-06-05, 23:01

I'm from Boston, what does CW stand for. I was there last Aug and wow the black piece of ass a saw at TI was out of this world. Didnt get to hunt 2 much was w/ a non mong friend. BUT YES i will be back. I did go to the club joint across from the Golden nugget and WOW...1 really hot black stripper there goes by the name of Tyra. Im willing to go back just for her. LOL anyone knows if she still works there.

Go to Spearmint Rhino. They have much much better girls. Some of the best in the US of A. Good luck.

LoveLatin05

12-07-05, 00:11

Go to Spearmint Rhino. They have much much better girls. Some of the best in the US of A. Good luck.The black girl that I like, did said she was working there (rhino) a week before the glitter. lol

Vanderley

12-08-05, 04:24

Probably a dumb question. BUT on the show TILT (on espn) the two main charters went to a strip joint that had exclusively (mostly) black strippers does a place like that really exists. OR where can I find a lot of CG? thanks
From what I've seen Cheetahs has the most Black and Asian girls in town. Some of them are knockouts. Spearmint Rhino by far has the hottest girls but most are blondes.

Note: Just created a new thread specifically for strip club reports. Hope it comes in handy.

Ohiohighlander

12-10-05, 15:31

Muggs

12-12-05, 03:56

Anyone ever had Sara on Boulder? She is probably a 6-7 depending on the what night. She is one of the better looking sw you would see on Boulder. I picked her up last week and got a cbj. Started at $40 but talked down to $30.

She is pretty curvy...says she dances at Spearmint. Don't know if that is true. But she is nice cute. She disses alot of mongers on Boulder...don't know why...but she does. If you see a nice looking one walking usually between Sahara and Arizona Charlie's...dissing mongers...that's her.

Speck

12-12-05, 22:36

I was at Caesars there a few weeks ago and really didn't open my eyes to look for any action until the last day. I started off walking up the strip from Wynn to the Caesars. I noticed a couple of the street, but they were scooped up pretty quickly. Then back at Caasars I found a Black SW near the entrance, but she wasn't what I was looking for. Soon I found a dark haired, white SW, 19, I don't recall her name, but the was an absolute 10. She claimed to be independent and charged 400 for half and half. She took her time and put on a great show and made it an amazing enjoyable time.

Is this a fairly average cost for a girl at a strip casino?

Thx

$400 is within normal range, especially if the girl is as hot as you describe. Girls charge as much as $100 on the strip, and any white, latina, or asian girl that rates a "7" or better will tend to want $300-600. Later into the night...say after 3am, you can get some girls a bit cheaper...down to about $200. Rarely a cg on the strip will drop to $100-150. But that is not typical.

As far as you want to spend......if a cg stays with you an full hour, and is truly gorgeous...and hopefully allows multiples(but prolly not)....well that is about what internet escorts charge and you get the convienience of the girl being right there.

So to me, $400 is on the high side, but its not outlandish for what things go for on the strip. I don't think you got ripped off or anything.

Ewclark77

12-13-05, 18:34

Was in Vegas a couple of weeks ago, but just for one night. I love that town!

Took some time to walk through several of the casinos on both sides of the strip from Treasure Island to Bally's. That's only 6 or 7 joints. There were at least a few in every casino. My observations?

The casino girls are dropping in quality. It appears to me that more and more street girls are taking their acts to the warmer, more comfortable, and much safer casino scenes. My guess is that these were a bunch of California street girls. Casino security is obviously aware of what's going on, and couldn't care less.

Ceasers had the biggest collection -- all shapes, sizes and ethnicities. It was a little iffy on some of them (whether they were working or not), because the nightclub there is really hopping and the girls dress the part. On many, many of the girls around there, though, there were no ifs or ands, while there were some really nice butts. Many were working, no question.

I was the subject of one drive-by hooking while walking between the Flamingo and Imperial Palace. A couple of girls in a car, the passenger leans out to ask me where I was going. Somehow I didn't think she really cared. She was not the best looking, but certainly not ugly.

Tried out the new strip joints, "Sin". It was about 3:30 am, and completely dead. The stage is at least ten feet away from any seats, seperated by the bar and barkeeper. What's up with that? The few girls who were working would not have been worth the time. Olympic Gardens was just as dead, although of the 7 or 8 girls working, I would have danced with several if they had been available. They were all busy.

Long night, good time, great place to visit.

Furryscott

12-14-05, 14:13

I happen to work the GY shift at the Strat so after a week or two you get to noticing "trends" where you've seen the same 5-9 girls every night wandering the same places. Oh by the way, If you think that the Strat is NOT FRIENDLY to CG's you got another thing comming. Most of the time the Security Supervisors are the ones talking to them when there's no one around. The only way a cg is going to get kicked out is if their acting an ass. "I.E. Shouting, being beligerant, making a scene, OR If the guy she just prepositioned actually called her on it." (Some guys think that their being really friendly because they want to give it up for free?? HAHAHAHAHAH IDIOTS.)

Areas to wander.

Images Lounge (Next to Starbucks) There's a bar there and the CG's will usually position themselves in the seats next to the elevators. The MOST you'll see here is 3, never any more.

Oasis Lounge, (Right in front of the World One Elevators.) You'll find CG's at the bar here. Usually on the FAR LEFT and FAR right sides....Occasionaly hanging out in the middle too. Watch the poker machines out in front of the bar, you might see one or two out there.

The only other place I can think they congregate is at the nickel machines right in front of Starbucks.

If you think your getting away with sneaking up to your room with a call girl, sure, we've seen 'em all and my boys and I will probably laugh at some of yours' expenses.

Be safe!

Ride2nite

12-15-05, 00:01

Ricksone

12-15-05, 13:25

Ride,

New poster here, but was in Vegas about 2 months ago. Picked up both mags. City Vibe and Las Vegas weekly (can be had at some 7/11's and streetside stands). Lots of ads in the back and I called 2 asain ads. First came to my room and one was in-call. Both were $150 for FS. 1st was very nice & eager to please. 2nd was a very small gal, heard quite a few times "too deep, too deep".

Hope this helps,

R

Sponge Worthy

12-15-05, 21:34

Hey guys,

I was hoping one of you seasoned Vegas vets might be able to give a visiting monger some advice. I will be in Vegas for business next month. I was wondering what recommendations you all might have for me to spend my down time. Been to Vegas a lot but never had a chance to monger there. So can you give me the recommendation on the best opportunities for the price? Should I look for the SW or stick to the CG's in the casinos?

Thanks fellas!I'm not helping, I'm tacking onto your thread. I'm coming out there in a week to spend my holidays at the Hard Rock, but I plan on wandering around the other joints.

My question is one that calls for a more practiced eye than mine. How do you tell the difference between some slot girl who's willing to get a little extra cash from the CG who wants all your cash?

I haven't been to town for years, and even then I was always tied down with conventions or business. This is my first trip just to have my own time, so I'm curious what I'll find.

Speck

12-15-05, 22:21

Spend a few hours reading all the posts for the entire past year. People have spent a lot of hours mongering and reporting so that noobs won't ask questions like yours.

If you have any very specific questions after doing that, ask away.

Hey guys,

I was hoping one of you seasoned Vegas vets might be able to give a visiting monger some advice. I will be in Vegas for business next month. I was wondering what recommendations you all might have for me to spend my down time. Been to Vegas a lot but never had a chance to monger there. So can you give me the recommendation on the best opportunities for the price? Should I look for the SW or stick to the CG's in the casinos?

Thanks fellas!

Sponge Worthy

12-15-05, 23:08

Spend a few hours reading all the posts for the entire past year. People have spent a lot of hours mongering and reporting so that noobs won't ask questions like yours.

If you have any very specific questions after doing that, ask away.No disrespect intended, but that's a useless post, too. I've scoured this board for hours before I posted my request. Some of the info I wanted isn't here, and a lot of info about the place I'm staying is pretty old. I've also found some stuff that is useful to me, and I didn't ask about that.

Of course, you wouldn't know because I didn't ask about the things I found.

Muggs

12-16-05, 04:17

[QUOTE= How do you tell the difference between some slot girl who's willing to get a little extra cash from the CG who wants all your cash?
.[/QUOTE]

I think that's a good question. I always wanted know that myself.

Sponge Worthy

12-16-05, 11:44

I received a couple of very friendly PM's offering assistance and advice, and I appreciate them greatly.

Coming from another tourist town (Orlando), I know that people are going to ask questions because they aren't familiar with the location. My first post here (under this name, anyway) was to help a guy find something close to his hotel.

So please don't be surprised if some visitors ask questions. You don't have to answer if you don't want to help, but there's no point in being rude. We'll search the forum, but we'll still have questions.

Wastrel

12-16-05, 13:42

How do you tell the difference between some slot girl who's willing to get a little extra cash from the CG who wants all your cash?Hell if I know. I assume they all want all the money in the world, of course, if they had their way, but I tend to adjust MY price based on location. In a Strip casino resort, that's usually several hundred, say an average of around two-hundred bid, five-hundred asked, three-hundred sold, perhaps less on the late graveyard shift; when near but outside of the resort corridor, say on Paradise or Harmon, or in the most substantial of the downtown casinos, it is more like a hundred and change; or for a SW working the local trade on the streets of the city away from the tourist business anywhere from twenty to sixty. If asked they might want peace on earth and a furnished condo with a Strip view equipped with a Ferrari and regular unleaded for thirty-nine cents a gallon, but what I'm prepared to pay is what I have as far as they're concerned, and that's that.

If, on the other hand, I interpret the question to mean: how do you know you're actually going to get what you pay for, getting good company instead of a sudden transformation into a fire breathing witch with horns and a tail as soon as the money changes hands, I have absolutely no idea how to reliably guarantee that. If someone else does, I'm all ears. I know that looks and price paid certainly don't insure good service.

I also don't know how to be absolutely sure a SW won't turn out to be a psycho-tweaker from hell after letting her into my car, other than a personal judgment based on experience applied to a little careful observation and a whole lotta luck in the roll of the dice. After you've seen enough of them you start to think you know, even if you don't always know exactly how you know, and even then I make a bad call once in a while.

I think my one most firmly fixed rule on this subject is that once it starts going a little sour in any way or the deal I thought I had starts shifting around in an unwanted direction I cut my losses immediately, becuase I don't believe it ever gets better once it starts to go south into some power struggle, it can only get worse, and it's time to throw her back to troll for a new one once any kind of upselling or bait and switch or attempt to take control or just a hinky feeling that I'm unsure of what's up with this situation creeps into the picture. If she starts acting as if it's my job to please her and meet her requirements rather than the other way 'round we are done, unless she wants to be the one paying for my time and effort.

Addendum: Rereading this post it sounds very harsh towards working girls in Vegas generally, and I really don't want to be that. There are plenty who are fine company, and some local pros who I think of as friends, or at least friendly acquaintances. But then, those also tend to be ladies who I don't do business with, at least not lately, so I don't have an opportunity to have any business disputes with them.

Sponge Worthy

12-16-05, 20:34

I think my one most firmly fixed rule on this subject is that once it starts going a little sour in any way or the deal I thought I had starts shifting around in an unwanted direction I cut my losses immediately, becuase I don't believe it ever gets better once it starts to go south into some power struggle, it can only get worse, and it's time to throw her back to troll for a new one once any kind of upselling or bait and switch or attempt to take control or just a hinky feeling that I'm unsure of what's up with this situation creeps into the picture. If she starts acting as if it's my job to please her and meet her requirements rather than the other way 'round we are done, unless she wants to be the one paying for my time and effort.Now that's wisdom that I also like to practice. When the ground shifts underneath your feet or the girl starts changing the rules, it's time to drop everything and move away.

What the hell. Maybe I'll get lucky and just findy a horny, lonely girl in a bar somewhere. It worked fine in Key West.

Speck

12-17-05, 02:30

No disrespect intended, but that's a useless post, too. I've scoured this board for hours before I posted my request. Some of the info I wanted isn't here, and a lot of info about the place I'm staying is pretty old. I've also found some stuff that is useful to me, and I didn't ask about that.

Of course, you wouldn't know because I didn't ask about the things I found.

First off, my post was not directed at you, Spongeworthy. It was very clearly directed at the post which I quoted in my response. In fact, my post was up before yours even hit the board because yours had to be reviewed. Mine are not reviewed because of senior member status.

Secondly, I will advise that in response to your post, Wastrel has posted excellent info. You really will not be able to tell unless you walk up to the girl and start up conversation with her.

I will note however that occasionally you may be able to meet someone similiar to a "slot girl" at some of the bars around town, particularly at locals places or some of the places downtown. This is a very labor intensive exercise, and is practicaly futile if you do not drink. Also, you may be hanging out with far more unsavory characters than you are normally used to. I look very out of place when I go do this...young, caucasian, very clean cut. I am quite certain that people there may even see me as an easy mark, though only a few have even attempted to take advantage of me. The upside is that you can get free poon, or perhaps find someone that is willing to make "arrangements" at a pretty decent price(for vegas)....like wastrel said, $ + change.

Wastrel

12-17-05, 06:17

...occasionally you may be able to meet someone similiar to a "slot girl" at some of the bars around town, particularly at locals places or some of the places downtown. This is a very labor intensive exercise, and is practicaly futile if you do not drink. Also, you may be hanging out with far more unsavory characters...I might not be adding anything new here but, as someone who does exactly this from time to time, I gotta admit this is all true, and it probably makes no sense for me to do it if you do a strictly rational analysis of time vs benefit. I actually don't drink, but have to adopt the attitude of a drunk (it comes naturally becuase I do have some past experience in that department) while actually swilling some el-fako swampwater while investing substantial time working on a slutmachine slot (er, you know) in a dingy dive. You have to actually develop a taste for this as a peculiar sporting event or something, I guess, to selectively sample a bit of depravity without becoming fully part of it as a full time identity.

My last local slotbabe quarry ("I'm not a hooker but I surely could use some cash right now, so long as you understand I'm not really selling sex, I'm just giving it to you cause you're nice, and getting money cause I need it, but I'm no hooker, OK baby") ended up being a regular weekly thing for several months and really a bargain for 60 to 80 each time, but they do tend to have problems. This one was cute and acted like a rabid animal in bed but had a volatile unstable explosive temperament straight from hell whenever she felt even slightly "disrespected." It never got directed at me, but it did scare me. The next to last straw was when she thought some drunk young frat boy jock looking tourists whooping it up on the sidewalk might have thrown some ice in the direction of my car while stopped for a light on Las Vegas Blvd. The top was down and I had to restrain her from launching herself straight out the top to rain vengeance upon the heads of the three young scholar athletes. She's only about five feet tall and probably about a hundred pounds soaking wet, but I honestly believe she may have killed all three of them with her bare hands right on the spot. Made me wonder if I ever nodded off and mumbled anything that sounded insulting I could find my throat missing. Only time she was ever really at peace was while working the slots, and losing all her money again.

I guess my point to all that, if there is one, is that I've been able to get a short to medium term bargain in the middle of the deal with a slot addict, cheaper and less trouble for a while than a girlfriend really (they go away just when I want them to and never announce that we need to "talk about the relationship"), and they're much more practical than a steady diet of pure professionals, but it takes a peculiar desire to front a bunch of time in strange places at the beginning, as I don't exactly find this type waiting to be reeled in at the Paris or the Palms, and my semi-non-pro slot conquests generally turn out to have other serious ways they're messed up that really do matter enough to put an end to it sooner rather than later. But I'll probably keep doing it whenever I see one who looks good and has that 'tapped-out-again' expression, what can I say. In fact it's tempting to ring up that little chocolate volcano right now. Unlike old girlfriends, they usually are up for a call for a quickie return nostalgia hook-up at three a.m.

ChefType

12-17-05, 20:18

Gentlemen, I haven't had the chance to post for quite some time but was very lucky to find a "rough" diamond trimmed in golden pubes the other night on Boulder Highway. My last 3 trips to Las Vegas have been all business and little fun but Sally made this trip memorable. I spied her at a bus stop just before dark and she gave me a smile and the "look" so I made another pass. That turned out to be a very good call. We settled on $.4 for a BJ in the car. I made an appointment with her for the next afternoon and got her slim 20 something body naked and spread in the hotel for an hour for another $. It was well worth the money and she was in no hurry the second time around. She has nothing but nipples on top, but a sweet little blonde muffin shaved on the sides and an ass I would have eaten if I had time to bathe her. Keep an eye out for this girl gents, I think she is pretty new to the pay for play scene and is a little jumpy until she sees the cash and then she melts and starts to ooze... She said so only goes out when she needs money but if you see a slender dirty blonde haired young woman hangin out at a bus stop on Boulder. Take a minute to introduce yourself, you will enjoy the ride.

np2112

12-18-05, 19:06

Crash

12-19-05, 02:38

Went on hunting through the casinos. As it was posted earlier, Caesars was the best shop. Just walking by myself smiling at a few of the more obvious ladies got me a few offeres. Price range from $400 to $1500. Although 10 in looks, I politely declined. Went home with a still good looking girl, however, as they say, YMMV. After arriving at the hotel, became a bit of a rush service, she telling me, not to f*** her too long because her privates would get sore. And during service she started asking for a tip. That was the time where she actually lost her tip, which I usually give for good service.

Looks: 9
service 5
attitude starting with 10 ending with 2.
Damage: 400

Although on the pricy side we spend a considerable time in the casino bar chatting and having fun, so all in all quite ok. But nothing compared to SEA.

PsyberZombie

12-19-05, 07:40

Sorry no real useful info to post, I just wanted to compliment Wastrel, whoever he is, on his very entertaining and immensely informative writing. If you ever wrote a book about this topic (under a pseudonym, of course), I'd buy the damn thing.

You are totally right about Wastrel , np·etc

And , you are In Luck !! =

There's already a *great* book out about the Sex Industry in LV

It's Jack Sheehan's " SKIN CITY " (http://*******.com/dvoh8)

... and if yer too cheap to pay for shipping , there's always stacks of them in the book·stores at LAS [ Las Vegas / McCarran Intl Air·port ] , so you can pick one up the next time you're there

Susan Carter

12-19-05, 08:28

I am Leaving Las Vegas in 6 days. I just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas before I go and have fun! I haven't posted a lot cause I'm a provider that works specifically advertising on the computer. I like to read this board from time to time, and want everyone to have fun during the holidays!

Susan Carter

Travelforfun

12-20-05, 01:26

I ended up in Vegas by myself starting last Thursday, until a few friends met me there on Saturday. I figured that while I was by myself, I would wander around the casinos near where I was staying to see if I could find some company. I've done this in the past with mixed results, but figured I'd try it again.

On Thursday (12/15) it was fairly quiet, but there were some obvious girls working the bars at the Luxor, Excalibur, and Tropicana. None of them really had me too interested, so I grabbed a doughnut at the KK between Excal. and Luxor and kept heading to the Luxor to sit in the lounge, have a few drinks and watch the band for a bit before heading out to look again later. Well, I made it to the first moving walkway towards the Luxor before noticing a really cute red-head dressed the part of a casino CG. As I was trying to decide if it was just a club girl or not, she yelled over to me to come over. That pretty much answered my question. When I got to her, she asked the typical questions before suggesting we head to my room. I agreed and off we went. Her name was Kaci (spelling?) and we walked back holding hands to not look suspicious to security (although they probably know her anyway) as we went up the elevator...the whole time she was telling me what she wanted to do to me. Once in the room I gave her the $2 she required and she finished getting undressed. She had a really nice body, and nice 36D chest that was nice and perky as well as large. About 22- 25 yo would be my guess. She rushed things a bit, but overall was a decent experience considering some casino CGs will ask for $3 or more for the same experience.

On Friday, I was pretty drunk, and it was getting late (about 3AM) and I ended up heading to my room with Sky (skye?) Sky was a brunette and looked hot (especially in my state!) also probably early - mid 20's. Up in the room, she tried to say that "if I wanted, she would stay half-hour tonight for a massage and BJ, and come back tomorrow night for free to do everything else"..."Umm...sure honey, I believe that..." so I basically said no way, and that we needed to do all that night or not at all. So we did. In the room, her body was decent, but not as nice as I imagined from seeing her in her outfit downstairs, and the typical rush to try and finish quickly, but we were up there for almost an hour. That was $2 as well. Out of the two, so far I'd recommend Kaci.

The next night was Saturday, and my friends were now in town (staying at the same place) and I had to be more discrete. It ended up that a few of them were up late playing slots and table games in the casino that I was staying at, so I couldn't walk through the Casino without risking my friends seeing me and probably figuring out what I was up to...especially since she wouldn't still be around for breakfast, or at all the remainder of the trip. By the time that they all went to sleep it was about 4AM, and there were only a couple CG's around that I weren't interested in, especially considering that I may be spotted by a wandering friend. That night, I almost ended up heading up to my room with a girl that I met at the bar, but couldn't quite seal the deal.

Sunday night most of my friends had left, but a friend and his wife were still around. However, they were there for the shows and sightseeing, and not the partying and gambling. So, after 10:30 (still early in Vegas) they went to sleep and I was free to see what was out there. I had to walk over to the Tropicana, and just about walked right into Kaci from Thursday night. I couldn't think of anything to say other than Hi, and she basically said the same thing. I was thinking about asking her to head back with me at that time, but I A) couldn't get the words out, and B) Decided that I might as well try for the variety while in Vegas! Later that evening I was starting to wish that I would have been able to ask Kaci for another session because there were not many other CG's out that drew my interest. An hour or so later while walking between slot machines and Video Poker in the Excalibur I saw a girl half-heartedly playing some VP and gave me the eye as I walked by. So, I walked around for a few more seconds and decided that I liked what I saw and as I walked by for the second time we both said Hi, and I sat down about 3 or 4 machines down. Of course, a couple of minutes later she was then sitting at the machine next to me and starting to make small talk. Turns out that her name was Sandy and we ended up heading to my room for $2. Performance-wise, Sandy was the best of the three. We (she) probably pissed off the people in the neighboring room due to her vocalizations, but "Oh, well". Their kids running around in their room next door kept me up all afternoon when I was trying to sleep so I figure we were even. Sandy had an awesome body, with enhancements that were well done, but did not have quite the same "cute" look that the others did. She was also probably mid-20's as well. She was the least concerned about time as well, and we were together for over an hour while doing many multiple positions, etc.

As always, especially with the Casino CG's..YMMV, especially depending on how many people are in town at the time you are there. The only thing that I am upset about is that they all took $2 pretty much right off of the bat. Normally they'll start by quoting $3 or $4, or more, and you're lucky if you can get it down to $2. I wish I would have tried to talk down some more, but all in all I can't complain about the weekend.

Sorry about the book-length post!

PsyberZombie

12-20-05, 13:12

My last local slotbabe quarry ("I'm not a hooker but I surely could use some cash right now, so long as you understand I'm not really selling sex, I'm just giving it to you cause you're nice, and getting money cuase I need it, but I'm no hooker, OK baby") ended up being a regular weekly thing for several months and really a bargain for 60 to 80 each time, but they do tend to have problems....

My experience has been that most of these chicks are basically Alcoholics , at least in the earlier stages of their Careers

Lots of them delude them·selves in·to believing they're "non·pros" , especially if they only do P4P work part·time ; or
don't derive 100% of their in·come from Hooking . Whether they'll admit it or not depends on how you phrase the Question =

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=378932&postcount=304

But eventully the girl loses her looks and can't work as a Stripper or cock·tail waitress any more PLUS their 'Habits & Issues' increase in severity and expense , to the point where they HAVE to admit to them·selves what they do , like my friend Kim =

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=305361&postcount=1353

Regulr Travlr

12-20-05, 17:52

Hey guys

In addition to this board I am a senior member on the ISG. Willing to help wherever I can.

Two things I need help with.

Coming in to Vegas the Monday after Christmas. My new wild girlfriend is joining me Tuesday.

Being the monger that I am I would still like to find some action on Monday night. When I ran a search on Mandalay on this thread there were not a lot of specifics on where to look. Anybody know which of the bars or slot areas the girls hang out in? One poster indicated the walkways with Luxor also.

Secondly, it is my girlfriends birthday on Wednesday. I have reason to believe she may be open to bringing another girl into the picture. If not, at least having the other girl just for her. Does anyone have any recs on escorts who focus on this? I am also looking on some of the other escort boards as well.

Thanks

Wastrel

12-20-05, 22:53

PLUS their 'Habits & Issues' increase in severity and expense , to the point where they HAVE to admit to them·selves what they do Common story from a casino cocktail server: "I'm not a stripper." From a stripper: "I'm not a hooker." From a CW: "I'm not a streetwalker." From the bench on Paradise Road in front of the Hard Rock: "I'm not one of those crack-holes on Fremont." From 15th & Fremont: "I'm not like HER." From her: "I'm gonna be an [artist/social worker/musician/lottery or jackpot winner] and I'm just doing this a little more until I get my shiite all put together, then..."

Travelforfun

12-21-05, 00:20

Basically any of the Casino Bars after about 11:00 at night. At some such as the Luxor, watch out for the girls just taking a break from the dance club. Watching for a few minutes should be able to differentiate them. I usually stay at that end of the strip, which if the casino you are in appears quiet, makes it real easy to walk in a loop between Excalibur-NYNY-MGM-Trop-back to the tram at the Excal to take to Mandalay Bay and then walk up through the Luxor, etc. It's doubtful you would ever need to do that much of the loop, but it's there if you need it, and can be done in 30 minutes leisurely.

Prices are different in that loop too. The ranges that I have noticed are Luxor is generally $2.5, Excal and the Trop about $2, MGM and NYNY about $3, with Mandalay about $4+

Good Luck and have fun

Hey guys

In addition to this board I am a senior member on the ISG. Willing to help wherever I can.

Two things I need help with.

Coming in to Vegas the Monday after Christmas. My new wild girlfriend is joining me Tuesday.

Being the monger that I am I would still like to find some action on Monday night. When I ran a search on Mandalay on this thread there were not a lot of specifics on where to look. Anybody know which of the bars or slot areas the girls hang out in? One poster indicated the walkways with Luxor also.

Secondly, it is my girlfriends birthday on Wednesday. I have reason to believe she may be open to bringing another girl into the picture. If not, at least having the other girl just for her. Does anyone have any recs on escorts who focus on this? I am also looking on some of the other escort boards as well.

Thanks

Wastrel

12-21-05, 00:28

Sorry about the book-length post!Thanks. I thought you did pretty well, and the post might be a decent primer for other visitors on the Strip.

Cienega32

12-21-05, 02:22

Common story from a casino cocktail server: "I'm not a stripper." From a stripper: "I'm not a hooker." From a CW: "I'm not a streetwalker." From the bench on Paradise Road in front of the Hard Rock: "I'm not one of those crack-holes on Fremont." From 15th & Fremont: "I'm not like HER." From her: "I'm gonna be an [artist/social worker/musician/lottery or jackpot winner] and I'm just doing this a little more until I get my shiite all put together, then..."
Whatever happened to the good old days when they were all just aspiring models/actresses?

XXXBob

12-21-05, 03:13

Just wanted to post this went to las vegas and one of the nights I was there in the statasphere towers. I was looking at the girls in the casino and getting a little bored becuase didn't see any. So I went to the oasis lounge and some girl walked and introduced herself. I think her name was linda she me to take me up to my room I agreed and up we went. At this point no mention of money. My brother was in there and saw come in this girl and immediatley vacated the room. She went to the bathroom and invited me in with her. I went in and she using the bathroom. But her body was nice and after she stood up and asked me if I wanted to have a little fun. Hell YA! the she asked to see me dick so I dropped my pants. She said 200 and it was quick date 15 min. I know more then I should have spent but I was thinking with the lower head already and quickly agreed. I fucked her doggy style in the bathroom her braced herslef against the wall. He head banged against the wall a couople times. Then we moved to the bed. I then fucked her missoinary on the bed. I hope run into her next time.

Sponge Worthy

12-21-05, 15:43

Hey guys

At home, I would never bring a girl back to my own place. In Vegas, I guess your own room is the only place for us travelers with no cars to go.

What are some of the bonehead things I need to avoid, scams to watch out for, and general advice for covering my ass? I want to enjoy some company with a cute girl, not get ripped off or worse. Is the casino/hotel environment relatively safe and honest in the work (I'm at Hard Rock)? I generally keep my guard up no matter what, but this is a different type of gig for me.

LoveLatin05

12-21-05, 23:32

Nice good informative post "Crzeepete", Wastrel love your quotes. LOL you both keep them coming. Im from boston and I visited vegas for the 1st time last AUG

ClitCommander

12-22-05, 13:19

Whatever happened to the good old days when they were all just aspiring models/actresses?

I thought they were pre-Med/pre-law UNLV students.

James D 2004

12-22-05, 16:47

Thanks. I thought you did pretty well, and the post might be a decent primer for other visitors on the Strip.
Sorry Wastrel. I thought I done better before by saying that Vegas simply sucks. You don't go to Vegas for sex. If you have to go somewhere, count the number of local online escorts. Vegas is negligible compared to say LA.

Transient girls do not need to provide good service, or decent service. Vegas has the highest numbers of these, e.g., clueless girls, ripoff artists. The odds are very much against you.

Big Ryan

12-22-05, 18:39

Just returned from my first trip to Las Vegas. I was was not hobbying on this trip as I recently got involved with a girl that I like very much and while it may be Sin City for some reason I have principles that won't allow me to screw up a good thing. Anyway I did have a few observations that I would like to share. On Sat night 12/18 I was in the Studio 54 club in the MGM with some buddies dancing, carrying on, wasting money, etc. My friends had gone to get a beer and A very aggressive hispanic cg came up to me. She put her hand in my front pocket and I got a little leery, she found nothing and continued to the pocket that I had my hand in, at this time concealing me wallet. She then proceeded to grab my package and ask, "how much money you got?" Just for fun I said 75 bucks. She says ok that is enough you give that to me right now and we go to my room. Now I am not nearly stupid enough to give a girl money on a dance floor even if I was looking for fun and she was relatively attractive. I told her that if she was working that she would be wise to work somewhere else.

Tuesday night was at the Radio Music Awards in the Alladin. Stuck around afterwards to do some gambling, and was alone again at some point walking by that bar in the middle of the casino floor. A very attractive girl dressed pretty conservatively called me over to her. From reading previous reports I knew that this bar was an area where action was to be had so I had an inkling of what to expect. Anyhow, she called me over and I did buy her a drink. Told her up front that I knew what was up and wasn't interested and did end up having a nice little conversation over a beer. So as I guess it always goes, if you are not seeking you shall find.

Desert Dude

12-22-05, 19:34

Sorry Wastrel. I thought I done better before by saying that Vegas simply sucks. You don't go to Vegas for sex. If you have to go somewhere, count the number of local online escorts. Vegas is negligible compared to say LA.

Transient girls do not need to provide good service, or decent service. Vegas has the highest numbers of these, e.g., clueless girls, ripoff artists. The odds are very much against you.

Yep, Vegas sucks, so stay the hell out. This dude did fine. Ass....

Member #3943

12-29-05, 14:07

Hello all , had my 3 days at c palace , the new security booth directly across from the barge makes for a tricky time, but did finally get a seat next to a honey, Mybe thye are trying to discourage as much as it used to be. They even took the machines away from the immediate area, where they use to sit and play or act like play, so , something up. the girl I went with we went to a trashy motel near strat , I should have known better. I got a dance wow, then she asked if we were done. I told her to never go back to CP, cause i Know some people that would get her . so then I proceeded to Spheramint Rhino for about 12 hours my god, then on to Pleasures, now will wait a while before next vegas trip , here in south carolina i got an amp that treats me like king, for about 120.00 so im stayin away for awhile good luck,, happy new year

Sponge Worthy

12-29-05, 16:05

Drove the run. saw a good looking young lady around 45th and lorain. by the time I got around she was gone. I went on the eastside run and that was dead as well. I did notice a camera in a new place with an atena spliting it up the middle. What the fuck are these. It was not and I repeat was not a the typical speed or red light camera one sees on Western Ave or Detroit. Are these cameras a live feed to the 50 station or what. Are the just filliming cars going to and fro? what could happen if they catch you?

Peace,

Blackbjlover

Cienega32

12-29-05, 21:49

She put her hand in my front pocket and I got a little leery, she found nothing and continued to the pocket that I had my hand in, at this time concealing me wallet. She then proceeded to grab my package and ask, "how much money you got?" Just for fun I said 75 bucks. She says ok that is enough you give that to me right now and we go to my room. Now I am not nearly stupid enough to give a girl money on a dance floor even if I was looking for fun and she was relatively attractive. I told her that if she was working that she would be wise to work somewhere else.
That pretty much proves my recent thinking. Most of these girls think all guys are chump enough to fall for them. The hit and run routine. The same mentality that has these fat ugly pigs looking for $200+ on CraigsList. Why? Because someone will give it to them, or in the case of your little pocket checker, will actually say "Duuuh - OK." As said elswhere - the transient nature of both sides of the transaction hurts the overall art of mongerism in this town.

Glad to see that you knew better and didn't fall for the crap. You would be surprised at just how many guys in this town don't know better. The same guys that would pay $1,000 for a run of the mill looking girl and a bad lapdance so they can go home and brag about the wild time they had.

Vegas does strange things to the mind of a tourist looking to break the bonds of "Churchville, USA" and somewhere in the Neon filled night, sense seems to diminish when challanged by poon and you're sitting with a pocket full of casino money. These fly-by-nite broads who can't pay their own way prey on that.

The old adage of "It's their (casino) money anyway" is wrong. Once it hits your pocket it's your money.

Wastrel

12-30-05, 22:51

Drove the run. saw a good looking young lady around 45th and lorain. by the time I got around she was gone. I went on the eastside run and that was dead as well. I did notice a camera in a new place with an atena spliting it up the middle. What the fuck are these. It was not and I repeat was not a the typical speed or red light camera one sees on Western Ave or Detroit...I've never heard of these places, can't find them, and can't imagine where they are. To the best of my knowlege the numbered streets end at 30th, and I can't find any "Lorain" anywhere in the Las Vegas Valley by any of my usual methods. Can you clarify?

Cienega32

12-31-05, 08:04

I'm with Wastrel - where are these streets? Are we missing out on some spots?

As far as the cams - and not really understanding where you noticed them - they do have some traffic controlling cams that activate the lite changes in some parts of town now. Where is this "new place"?

I'm sure they use emergency over-rides and also monitor the traffic flow as well as would be transmitted to traffic contollers which would explain the antenna.

Sponge Worthy

12-31-05, 14:40

Drove the run. Saw a good looking young lady around 45th and lorain. by the time I got around she was gone. I went on the eastside run and that was dead as well. I did notice a camera in a new place with an atena spliting it up the middle. What the fuck are these. It was not and I repeat was not a the typical speed or red light camera one sees on Western Ave or Detroit. Are these cameras a live feed to the 50 station or what. Are the just filliming cars going to and fro? what could happen if they catch you?

Peace,

BlackbjloverWhat the hell is this post doing under my name? I didn't post it. I posted something else completely.

Wastrel

12-31-05, 15:26

After getting a PM stating that isn't what Sponge Worthy wrote, I have a feeling the text of some reports may have gotten switched in the editing process for "regular members" posts. Just a guess.

It does sound like a legit cruising report for some other city, so perhaps some horny guys in Upchuck, Pennsylvania are right now scratching their heads over a report on five-hundred dollar an hour casino hookers at some place on the south end of town called Ceasars or something.

Wastrel

12-31-05, 15:40

np2112

12-31-05, 19:19

Found it. The text that was somehow put in Sponge Worthy's post belongs in Cleveland. Lorain is apparently the place to find SWs there. And I'm sure that knowlege will be handy some day if I ever get on the wrong airplane.

Damn, I swear I should put my legs in cement blocks and stay in this fair town. Just so's I'd have the chance of meeting this Wastrel.

Anyway, what the hell, I'll post my last successful experience.

Someone earlier mentioned all the..ahem...ample women on Craigslist. Well ya sometimes find decent ones too, if ya dig. Answered an ad for a black provider out past the bus lines around Trop and Grand Canyon. More like Russell and Grand Canyon. Waaayyyys out there and probably not too far from some as yet undiscovered burnt offering.
Got to the place, thinking it was BS, because the area's abodes were still under construction and the ones completed seemed only half-filled. Ready to turn around when she came out and I recognized her as one of the aforementioned heifers. Nothin' against 'em, but I prefer more traditional standards of attractiveness. Thought it was a bait and switch, but asked if any black provider was around per the ad. She yelled upstairs and I saw this young girl, 18 who was kinda cute and a little plump. But overall about a 6 or a 7. I figured I'd at least get some kind of reward for my labor so I stayed, and we negotiated in her room. She was quite new at this, and I made her show me an ID, as I was suspicious of her age. Seemed legit, and so I negotiated Greek for all 100 per cent of a 100 bucks. Didn't work, she couldn't handle it, and surprised me by seeming to be willing to let me go WITHOUT having earned anything. Damn, she was new at this. Anyway, I said she could have 1/2 of the original price for BBBJ and CIM. Maybe a little more than a lotta ya would pay, but still quite reasonable. I made it last. And by that I mean at least 10 min, and she was pretty damn good at it. Choked a little at the Vesuvius moment, but held on like a champ and kept at it for a few seconds afterward.
Not great-looking, but good enough, and I didn't need any muscle relaxant that night.