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Amp_Man

01-19-03, 03:40

Originally posted by ozikboy
I hate aol. Just wrote a long report and the server died. here is an abbreviated version. Kings was great last monday night . I had BEBE . she smiled when I looked at her so I chose her. 50 to the house and 150.00 to Bebe. she got very wet and seemed to enjoy the session. Killer figure but i like the asian look. YMMV. Of course we all get the "you are so big" comment like they all do. these girls should offer a course to train our girlfriends and wives how to behave.. or how to not behave.

Before this I wwnt to Palm tress massage on valencia close to market. had Yoko about 3-4 times. same $ as above. She is good after she gets to know you and she seems to cum if you work it. Allow DATY as did Bebe above. If you like her outfit (black with red flowers ) I bought it for her because the clothrs she shosed up in for sex made her look like she was ready to clean your apartment. phone for palm is 415-626 5438. Kings is 979 0111.

In closing i rec tijuana for great value. ie weekend in san diego. $60.00 for 30 min with a pretty Latina. Attitudes vary as always
best of luck

Ozikboy,

Is that the going rate for kings? $200 all inclusive....seems as if the price is going up in the bay area, or are you just being generous. As stated before, my usual fee stays at $150-160 all inclusive...I can't afford the 200 a pop deal. Please keep the prices down.

Trent,

Hey good to hear that you're finally able to get into the Golden Flower. Hope it was everything that it's reputation lived up to man. We'll be waiting for that report.

amp_man

ozikboy

01-19-03, 15:28

Dear amp_man
I agree that $200 is a lot. the $50 to the house seems non negotiable... ie for the "massage". I have been a total of 5- 6 times and have been quoted $150 1/2 1/2 every time. Once I tried to be tough and the gal at Empire did me for $140.00.
I am open to suggestions. Sorry if I have been causing inflation!! These gorgeous Asians are costing me $$$$. Went out for drinks and light snacks at nice bar with blind date last night . the tab was $90.00. (I could see the look in this girls eye re getting married and having babies) . Nice girl but for $110.00 more I could have been with someone 1/2 her age and drop dead gorgeous. Sorry for the philosophy.

I'll try to play hard ball next time on the "tip" but my strength wanes when these asians are naked.

Ozikboy

Amp_Man

01-20-03, 03:09

Originally posted by ozikboy
Dear amp_man
I agree that $200 is a lot. the $50 to the house seems non negotiable... ie for the "massage". I have been a total of 5- 6 times and have been quoted $150 1/2 1/2 every time. Once I tried to be tough and the gal at Empire did me for $140.00.
I am open to suggestions. Sorry if I have been causing inflation!! These gorgeous Asians are costing me $$$$. Went out for drinks and light snacks at nice bar with blind date last night . the tab was $90.00. (I could see the look in this girls eye re getting married and having babies) . Nice girl but for $110.00 more I could have been with someone 1/2 her age and drop dead gorgeous. Sorry for the philosophy.

I'll try to play hard ball next time on the "tip" but my strength wanes when these asians are naked.

Ozikboy

Hi Ozikboy,

I know what you mean, I have a weakness for asian women as well...so I know exactly where you're coming from. They're not dumb, they usually do the price negotiation when we're erect, and our blood supply is diverted to support our wood.

amp_man

Jzjz

01-20-03, 05:13

Originally posted by riojim
jzjz,

where is the street action you mentioned? I haven't seen much sw in sf for the last 2 years. they were much more action 5 years ago. especially in the tenderloin.

Van Ness & Sutter, Polk Hyde, etc.

MondaysChilde

01-20-03, 17:11

VERY hot in the 'loin these days. LE in the Bay Area is making it a point to bust as many johns as they can so their depts. can make revenue quotas and they can justify and keep their jobs.

Also, with all the sick, dirty junkies on the street, it may be a good idea to go another route.

ReallyaNiceGuy

01-21-03, 02:29

This is my first post and I wanted to thank everyone and tell you that I found the info very helpful. I don't usualy go to these places but though I would give it a try while in SF. I went to King's Massage on Jessie St. WOW, what a great time I had. Got a lady named Sherry and she was really a GFE. Massage was good.
Mike

Billy

01-21-03, 13:55

Reguarding the post about LE stings, I have been caught up in one of those so here are some things to look for. Fisrt, they well have some sort of truck very close by to process john's. Like a big white moving van or delivery truck. They park in parking lots with the back of the truck to a building wall to hid the activety inside. There will be men sitting in unmarked cars a block away waiting to chase you down. There will be allot of men on street corners just "hangin out", tucked in door ways and just side stores. The girls will NOT get in your car and will do everything to get you to tell them what you want and how much. DO NOT dicuss anything with the girls, just tell them to get in. If they don't just drive off. Some will actually try to keep you from going by not closing your car door. Just leave! Old saying goes like this "if it don't feel right then move on". With the budget crunch you can expect more stings and more agressive stings. Be careful. billy

ozikboy

01-22-03, 13:32

Hey really nice guy
what was the tip to sherry for Kings. I just want to compare $
thanks
Ozikboy

MondaysChilde

01-24-03, 17:25

Why I like AMPs:

1. Asian Massage Parlors (AMPs) have double-locked doors with cameras;

2. They don't allow drug-addicted workers;

3. The women are clean. I have had only one problem in 12 years (she had bad acne) and I sent her back and got another one;

4. Asian women are still oriented (no pun) in service and respect for the man;

5. No pimps;

6. No busts. The Viet places in town used to have gang shakedowns on rare occasion, but most of the good places in S.F. are Korean and no one is fucking with them to my knowledge.

That said, I still understand the allure of hunting and taking one off the street - not to mention the better price. But there is no question in my mind as to the prepondenrance of risk here. Happy hunting gentlemen.

loserdude

01-25-03, 15:04

Hi guys, i need info on massage parlors that have chinese, koreans, thai or filipino massuses that offers full service in san francisco area. thanks in advance

megreg

01-25-03, 22:15

AMP's are defninitely the way to go, even given the price difference, for a lot of reasons. Its much easier to leave an AMP safely if you don't like the pickings than it is to try to kick a crack addict out of your car when she realizes she is not getting money for her next hit.

One more tip on LE stings, btw...If you're in a sw hood you can be cited for loitering with intent even if you don't proposition the girl. The point is, always look around you when you stop to 'chat' with a sw.

out

StWalkinCheetah

01-25-03, 22:38

I hate to generalize but compared to the women in AMPs, the SWs in SF are a haggered lot at best. Doped out. Fucked out. Weathered. I feel for their plight but am not about to risk LE to be with street trash. On the other hand, I have not been to an AMP in SF that had less than presentable women. I may not want to fuck all of them but I didn't notice track marks, open sores or unmannerly behavior either.
BE SAFE!

ReallyaNiceGuy

01-26-03, 01:08

Originally posted by ozikboy
Hey really nice guy
what was the tip to sherry for Kings. I just want to compare $
thanks
Ozikboy Hey there, I think that I said $100 and she said $150 so we split it and I gave her $125.
Mike

Loserdude889

01-27-03, 13:52

Hi guys, i can't seem to find info on AMP or any MP that offers FS in Sunset Area. I live and work in sunset so it''ll be easy for me. I read few articles on MPs out of apartments in sunset, can anybody give more info to me? if you can't post it here send it to my email at: loserdude889@yahoo.com. thanks in advance.

MondaysChilde

01-28-03, 19:06

Loserdude has 2 handles:

"loserdude" and "loserdude889" ?

He only has two posts, why two handles already?

and he is asking for very specific information on illegal activities.

Surfer

01-28-03, 20:43

The Sunset is a residential area quite different than the Tenderloin. You are looking in the wrong place.

Gnome

01-29-03, 00:38

If anyone is interested read my post in the Reno section.

MondaysChilde

01-29-03, 14:47

Gnome, thanks for the good info. I have to say though, that just reinforces my thanks for the set-up we have here in S.F.

Generally, white providers in the U.S. overprice and underperform.

Come on out to S.F. and get treated well for your $$!

Gnome

01-29-03, 21:31

MondaysChilde, I do get to SF once or twice a year but never been to an AMP there. I usually stay at the columbus motor inn. I've been to the msc did not stay long wasn't to clean in my eyes. Then went to MBOT could have most anthying i wanted but price was way up there. Guess i'm to use to nevada. also went to a place across from the msc don't remember the name of the place but this girl took me back in this booth where they fog up the windows, she couldn't sell me so we ended up in a video booth and offered a hj for 60. Again it just didn't seem worth it. She even got naked in there and i just couldn't go for it. She seem to get irritated with me so i left. Checked out the street action around gerry st i was on foot about 10pm some nice girls clean not bad looking in their 20's i'd say, but they had to keep ducking behind cars when LE drove by. I watched this for about 45 minutes, then LE sourrounded them so i left. I did reconize a couple of them in Reno about a mounth or so later. There was a mamassan smiling at me at one of the mp's but i don't remember which one. That's it for now.....

Amp_Man

02-01-03, 19:13

Originally posted by MondaysChilde
Loserdude has 2 handles:

"loserdude" and "loserdude889" ?

He only has two posts, why two handles already?

and he is asking for very specific information on illegal activities.

MondaysChilde,

I agree with you, seems a little suspicious, especially with all the LE activities that have gone on in the SF area to crack down on prostitution and AMP stings. Any hobiest of this sport would know how to seek and find the information on AMP parlours in a new area without being as specific as he is. Or maybe, he already has the amps in mind and are seeking incriminating evidence for issue of warrants for amps in that area. I don't trust him.

amp_man

ozikboy

02-02-03, 19:48

Went to downtown AMP last night and had a fantastic time with Korean girl. this is my 2nd time with her. She gets very wet and allows DATY and seems to "peak" although we never know Great cbj with fantastic attitude
$$ for 1 hour. I would love to share name and location but the last post concerns me regarding LE raids at SF AMPs. Is this really going on???

What is the etiquette regarding information that one posts?

would appreciate some feedback

Ozikboy

Bruno68

02-05-03, 13:35

I live in boston, but im able to get to SF once in a while. the last time (november) i hit lee's 3 times based on recommendations in this group (god i love the internet).

Two things were striking. First: the girls were SO much hotter than the ones at new england AMPs. Am i mistaken or are the girls at lee's chinese rather than korean? these girls were smokin hot - bodies and face. However the second striking difference from new england is that there are no table showers. from what i can gather, there are no table showers at the other AMPs in SF. is this true? you guys have no idea what you are missing by not having table showers, it makes a world of difference.

I also went to MSC despite my better judgement and regretted every minute of it. there are definitely some good looking girls, but they make used car salesmen look timid and they cant stop themselves from trying to rip you off. are there any tricks to this place as far as finding a girl who will agree to an act and a price and not try renegotiating once u are both naked in the back room?

Finally, i briefly visited another club - im 99% sure it was crazy horse on market. i only went because kira kener was making an appearance. boy she has put on a few pounds. i got 3 lap dances from this smokin hot asian girl with nice fake tits. she offered a private room but i was becoming budget conscious at this point. how far do things go in those private areas at crazy horse? FS?

MondaysChilde

02-05-03, 20:08

Ozikboy - Independent, apartment AMPs are busted all the time; mostly on neighbor's complaints since they tend to be located in residential areas.

I have not heard of any of the established "Oriental Massage" places getting busted recently - but who knows after the regime change in City Hall. The city's policy for years has been to leave them alone. They are, in addition, hard to bust because of the two-lock system etc.

Everyone keep in mind that the City, COunty and State have registered mind-boggling budget deficits, and LE is out in force to make busts and keep their jobs.

HoMaster

02-06-03, 03:40

I agree with Monday. Keeping the pressure on state, local, city budgets (veto any inreases) will keep the pressure on LE resources - so they focus on real crime....and not this wimp LE stuff like hassling the harmless. We'll all be better off that way - mongers and non-mongers alike.

Surfer

02-11-03, 21:29

Luvdozer: Crazyhorse is pretty much a "no extras" club, unlike MSC where anything goes. MBOT is somewhere inbetwen the two but pricier. My advice, should you return, is to go to CH to WATCH, then to an AMP to DO.

PS I think New England is the worst part of the US for the hobby (with the Midwest, especially Chicagoland, a close second). Hearing it was "much better" than Boston I drove to Providence, RI to get a hj from an old hag. If Providence is "better", I'd hate to see what is on offer in beantown since the Combat Zone was closed down (and even it was supposedly mediocre). New England may be great for old buildings and fall foliage, but for pleasure it is the pits.

Bruno68

02-12-03, 13:29

Surfer

You have to paint with a big brush to cast all of New England as the pits. you are certainly correct that it doesnt hold a candle to San Francisco, but few places do. I expect that, as a visitor, its hard to get a handle on southern New England but let me give you a rough sketch

When it comes to SW there are still plenty in Boston - in Chinatown, but there is significant law enforecement and quality is erratic. the most consistent SW scenes tend to be in smaller cities in MA such as Fitchburg, Worcester, Springfield, Lynn, New Bedford, and Lawrence. but it would be a struggle for an out of towner to hit them successfully in one or two nights. One nice thing about Chinatown is that you can do it on foot if u prefer that method. the zone is safe enough (as long as u exercise reasonable caution) and close enough to hotels and public transport that u arent required to use a car.

If you are looking for high mileage strip clubs, there are actually many good options. Mardi Gras in Springfield has hi friction dances from some of the hottest girls i have ever seen. I dont know for sure but i think very high mileage is available in the champagne room. there are many clubs in Providence RI that also push the limits and have hot girls. none of them are anything like MB or MSC, but they are more brothels than strip clubs.

If you enjoy AMPs, you MUST go to Connecticut. pretty much every major town on 84 has several, but Waterbury has some of the best in the state, you will see them discussed extensively on that board. Providence used to be the capital of AMPs but most have turned to hand release with 2 exceptions. on the level of AMPs, i would actually say that Connecticut (and Rhode Island) are among the best in the US. like I said in a previous post, the girls at Lees in SF are more attractive, but an AMP without a table shower is like a day without sunshine. AMP girls here are usually VERY enthusiastic.

Finally, as far as escorts are concerned there are plenty here as there are in every major city. i suspect that CA has some of the best in the nation, but there are plenty of hot escorts in Boston who wont cost an arm and a leg. furthermore, Boston does not have an unusually high amount of ripoff artists. Every town has some, but my sense is that Boston has fewer thanb average.

I agree completely that chicago is an awful place for us hobbyists. strip clubs provide NO mileage, street scene is scary and difficult for out of towners and the escorts are outrageously expensive with many ripoff artists. It makes me so sad because Chicago has some hot girls.

When you say that CH doesnt have very much mileage, do you mean none at all or just not sex?

dieter

02-12-03, 14:41

Originally posted by Surfer
PS I think New England is the worst part of the US for the hobby (with the Midwest, especially Chicagoland, a close second).

Surfer,
I couldn't agree more! In the continental US, (IMHO), SF is second only to Tampa, where I was amazed by the quality of providers. Nashville was pretty good a few years ago as far as action goes, but the beauty scale was very low.

For the dedicated hobbiest, one has to leave the country...the farther, the better (ie Mexico City is much better than TJ, and of course the holy grail of fun: Thailand.

SF is FAR better than LA, and I don't get up there NEAR as much as I'd like.

dieter

MondaysChilde

02-12-03, 19:30

Yes, there are some simply bad places for the hobbyist in the U.S.; Albuquerque, Oklahoma City, most of the Midwest...

Many say S.F. has the best scene in the country, certainly best for the asian persuasion. Dieter, TAMPA??! My parents retire there in the winter...may have to pay them a visit soon ;)

HeinieLover

02-13-03, 05:14

Originally posted by Surfer
PS I think New England is the worst part of the US for the hobby New England may be great for old buildings and fall foliage, but for pleasure it is the pits. [/i]

Sorry if ya didn't git what you wuz lookin fur here Surfer.

If ya asked fur strip joints `n amps, Providence would be da place. What was da name of da amp da hag works?
But if ya was lookin fur elite talent, Boston is da spot. We got prime locals `n traveling ladies that will accomodate GENTLEMEN to great lengths. ;)

But fur street action, it slows down in da winter. Da spring `n summer is hot! If ya git this way again, post for advice.

Bruno68

02-14-03, 13:53

First of all, i always get annoyed when my fellow hobbyists compare any US city to foreign cities. Of course Banckok, Buenos Aires and Prague put US cities to shame -- but most of us don't LIVE there or travel there frequently on business. I plan on a trip to Thailand one day and am grateful for the info from this board, but it isn't helpful to compare Thailand to and US city when having a discussion about different US cities.

Of course, there are legitimate exceptions: Most Canadian cities are so close to the US border and easy to get to that they are relevant. The common language (even in Montreal) also makes them easy alternatives. TJ is also probably relevant because it basically a San Diego "subburb"

Since i do a fair amount of domestic traveling on business, I am always interested in discussions comparing the strengths and weaknesses of different US cities. Of course, some cities are notoriously good (SF, New Orleans etc) and some are notoriously bad (Salt Lake City, Kansas City & Chicago, relatiively speaking). However, I have come to the opinion that most cities simply have good aspects and bad aspects. Some are great for escorts but horrible for strip clubs. Another might be horrible for AMPs but great for SWs. If you are only interested in one aspect of the hobby then a given city might seem totally dead to you.

I do believe that SF has the best overall scene in the US. The only thing i find lacking is the lack of table showers in AMPs (very important to me). I would be very interested if other people have different candidates for the best US city. If you expand the circle to Canada, Vancouver and Montreal are pretty outstanding and probably exceed SF simply because the risk from LE is virtually non-existant.

What is so great about Tampa - I have never been there, but since I am on the east coast, I could make a trip down there with some ease. What is the totaly scene like?

jimbehr2000

02-16-03, 03:12

I'd put SF in a class by itself for a US city. I was in New Orleans two weeks ago and the scene there seemed poor. I wonder why some here rate it so highly. Dallas would be my #2 for a combo of street action (Harry Hines) and AMPS. Honolulu would be #3 because of the street action. I have heard NY is good but I live on the West Coast and don't get there often. Wash DC had an active street scene when I was there 10 years ago. I prefer the AMP scene vs. the street scene. That's why SF is #1 in the US imho. Vancouver, BC is also an excellent place to have fun. It has the best street scene I have seen in North America.

Loserdude889

02-16-03, 16:32

Originally posted by amp_man
MondaysChilde,

I agree with you, seems a little suspicious, especially with all the LE activities that have gone on in the SF area to crack down on prostitution and AMP stings. Any hobiest of this sport would know how to seek and find the information on AMP parlours in a new area without being as specific as he is. Or maybe, he already has the amps in mind and are seeking incriminating evidence for issue of warrants for amps in that area. I don't trust him.

amp_man
Don't be suspicious with me. I'm not freakin LE. I'm just new, and not very good with the slang yet. Don't be too paranoid and stop posting because of me. cross my eyes hope to die stuck a freeaakin knife in my dick i'm not LE. honest. Is that why nobody sen me anything?

Surfer

02-16-03, 23:13

Next trip to NE I will have to check out Conneticut for its AMPs and Springfield, MA for its high mileage strip clubs. I had heard about Danish Health on the border between NH & Maine, but Providence seemed to be the consensus pick for best available. Living in Babylon by the Bay, and traveling to Asia & Brasil quite frequently, I rarely spend the $$$ required to have fun here in the US of A.

Regarding Tampa, it USED to be wide open but a rightwing city council hellbent on changing that has done its damage. While action is still available (try the Ybor Strip in Ybor city where bbbj in the Champagne room is not too hard to get), it aint what it used to be. This is ESPECXIALLY true of the high profile clubs Mons Venus & 2001 Odyssey on Dale Mabry Blvd.) Even the lingerie places in Drew Park (by the airport) are NOTHING like a few years ago.

Regrading SF's Crazy Horse, you might get a hj but fs is definitely not on the menu. CH is a great warmup for a visit to an AMP though as they have the best looking Asians of ANY SF club.

Trent2461

02-17-03, 00:11

Well today I decided to do some outcalls and searched the net for some top talent. Well SF is high in this department compared to other places I’ve been and the women don’t even look all that hot. They wouldn’t last 2 days at there prices in the New York area.

Finally after searching for hours and checking reviews I settle on two of the finest ladies I could fined with out negative reviews, Jasmine & Mercedes. There were so many fine ladies to chose from but most had horrible reviews. I couldn’t understand how they stayed in business, let alone why people kept going to them with bad reviews even though YMMV is always in the picture. If I see a super fine women but she has more than 5 negative reviews I scratch her of my “to do” list. But I was seeing super fine ladies with 10+ negative reviews and thinking to myself “what’s that all about?” Also all these ladies in SF have multiple ads, with multiple names. Trying to hide from the negative reviews!

Anyway………

I found Jasmine on www.lovings.com/honey/index.htm and her donation was $$$ outcall
She arrives at my room and she dressed very nicely with a high end shirt and blouse. She’s in her early 20s, Brunette with hair to mid back, 5'4" 125lbs, and 34B-23-35. I believe she told me she was Persian but was raised in the USA.

Setting up the appointment with Jasmine was rather easy. Although she was a little late, I was not upset because she did call to let me know her time of arrival. Jasmine is very attractive, even beautiful, and exotic looking, and I was not disappointed when I opened the door to meet her. But she does look better in her photos, and she has put on a little extra weight. We took care of business and moved to the bed. Sat down and chatted for a bit, but this turned into a fairly lengthy conversation because the girl loves to talk. I’m so glad she was not a clock watcher and stay at least 30 minutes or longer past our hour appointment.

As we lay next to each other on the bed, we slowly started undressing each other and began exploring each other's bodies with some LK and heavy petting. Although we were in the zone, she is very safe and applied a condom to give me a nice enthusiastic CBJ. I asked her stop because I wanted to feel myself inside of her. We tried various positions MISH, CG, DOGGIE, and FLAT DOGGIE, but she liked MISH the best so we switched back to this for the grand finale. Round two went pretty much the same way and afterwards, we spent quite a bit more time lounging and talking. YMMV but it almost seemed like she didn't want to leave. But I had to get her out because Mercedes was coming over in a couple of hours and I wanted to eat first. I can recommend her if you like exotic women, and want a wonderful time. YMMV but I’ll see her again.

Next up was Mercedes…… I found her on www.lovings.com/California/index.htm and her donation was $$$$. This was on the very high side for me but all the reviews said she was drop dead gorgeous and they were correct. She’s Caucasian, has long beautiful natural blonde hair, in her mid 20’s, 5'-4", 115 lbs 34C-24-34, killer body and has flawless skin.

Guys when she got there and I opened the door she looked even better than her pictures! It was hard to believe because this hardly every happens and I was very, very, pleased and excited right off the bat. “Now this is what I’m talking about if you’re going to shell out $$$$. And I am very hard to please! Just read my reviews on the boards! I hardly every give anybody a rating over 8, but she’s a good 8-9 in the looks department. She would be a hard 9 and true “model material” if she was taller. Anyone would be proud to have this trophy on their arm!

She came in flashed me this great smile, said hi, and I asked her if she want something to drink. The donation was on the table but she didn’t pick it up, we shared some wine and chit-chat and were having a wonderful time. She was dress super fine, no **** gear here, and you could tell she liked fashion and style. Well we finally got undressed and started touching and caressing each other for about 5-10 minutes, she’s so hot! She did have her chest done, but it’s top self and the best I’ve ever seen. It looks so natural and it’s hard to tell they are not real. I finally had to ask. She then took out a party hat and started a great CBJ. You can tell she likes to give head because she keeps trying to take it deeper in her mouth and the more you show her you like it the better she sucks, this went on for about 15 minutes with her looking at me the whole time to make sure I was enjoying it. Those big blue eyes were driving me crazy! The sex was excellent; she was so tight I thought I was with a virgin instead of an SP! She also appeared to enjoy her self on top of me in CG. We did MISH, SIDE, DOGGIE, REV CG, and CG to completion .We laid around and talked afterwards and she ended up staying an extra half hour. She said to call back again, and said that next time she was going to charge me $$$. YMMV, but I highly recommend her and I will be seeing her again! I started to keep this to myself but decided to share the love.

Happy Hunting!

Trent

Trent2461

02-17-03, 00:13

Hey guys, sorry for the delay with the rest of this report, but I’ve been traveling for 4-weeks straights, hobbying, and taking notes all along the way. There will also be a trip reports from Rio, Germany, Montreal, and Spain before the next two weeks are out. Also I just came back from SF again yesterday and I’ll have another trip report on this trip as well. I’m trying to get them out in the order in which I took the trips. Boy am I tired, but happy! *smile*

Well today just before leaving the office for lunch I had the brilliant idea of visiting Golden Flower this afternoon. I know in the past that when I’ve been refused entrance at a place in the evening and it’s my first time, I can usually get in if I go in the afternoon. So after Mondays denial I headed back over to 2nd Street to see if this is the case on this sunny Wednesday and jack pot it worked. I must take this time to thank everyone who referred Golden Flower because it is just as everyone says very high class. I get buzzed in by a beautiful young lady, and low and behold before me are about 25 fine Asian ladies on couches that line half the room.

She asked if it’s my first time and I made the mistakes of saying yes, and she asks me to select a lady. Now this was truly the hard part for me because I saw 5 truly stunning ladies out of the 25 that I wanted. And I would have been happy with all of them. I could have stayed for hours, but all I had was an hour for lunch, so I ended up selecting a beautiful lady named Yuri vowing to come back later after work. So I signed in and she lead me down stairs to a very nice room (as far as AMP’s are concerned) with an in room shower. Yuri and a great build, 34B-24-34, firm, and all natural. I couldn’t wait to get into that tight flower garden between her legs.

Because of the boards I knew what to expect, so I start to undress to take a shower. She advised me that they had a new policy and that I had to pay before the session started, and that it was 1/2$ for the house and $$ for her. Well I stopped dead in my tracks because I knew she was trying to hustle me. So I start to get heated, she tells me that these are the new prices, blah, blah, blah. We go back and forth and finally she comes down to $-1/2$, which I feel is still too high, but I’m burning up my lunch hour arguing over 1/2$ bucks. If it was another time, or at night I would have threaten to walk and I’m sure the price would have come down to $. So we spend the session together and everything was on the menu, but I wasn’t in the zone because I hate being taken for a sucker. She did give me a great CBJ and wanted me to DATY but I passed and went straight to MISH, CG, and Doggie to completion. Yuri was very nice, and I would recommend her, but I won’t be seeing her again because she tried to jack me.

On the way out I spoke to the mamasan and ask her why I was turned away Monday night and she said it was because the place was full, and they don’t take new comers when it’s full. She advised me the best time to come for a truly great selection is between 12pm and 8pm. After that it usually gets very crowded. So I told her I would be back later that evening.

I come after dinner at about 7:30pm and select the cute petite lady named Coco from Vietnam. She about 5’-0”, slim, and has a 33B-23-33 build but I wanted to sample. Although she was very attractive, I just thought she was this very cute little energizer bunny and I wanted to hammer her into the bed.

Well done the stairs we go and into a nice room, and she try’s the same hustle as Yuri did in the afternoon. So now I pissed again and I’m thinking what is it with this place! I tell her that my friends come here all the time and that it’s 1/2$ for the house, and $ for the girl. She finally agrees, takes the money, asks me to take a shower, and leaves to change also. She comes back in and goes to work on me in at a fast pace and I have to slow her down. I finally get her in the zone and things start to flow. We had a wonderful session which included CBJ, MISH, CG, REV CG, STANDING, and DOGGIE. She gave such a good performance after we got past the money and other issues that I ended up giving her a 1/2$ tip which I knew was high, but I felt she went the extra mile as far as effort was concerned.

I started to see another woman, but decided against it because two hustles in one day left a sore taste in my mouth about this place. They are so short sited! They lost a potential good customer who would have spent a lot time and money at this place because I thought it was great and the ladies looked fantastic. But on to the next place I always say.

Trent

MondaysChilde

02-18-03, 19:47

LoserDude - Your profile DID look a little suspicious. Welcome aboard.

To the very best of my knowledge, the only full-service places in the Sunset or Richmond are apartments massage parlors that advertise in the Chinese newspapers. If you can get someone to read the ads from the Tsing Tao daily for you, you can get a phone number; but I understand they are tough to get in unless you speak the language or know the ropes really well.

I have also heard they are busted often, and that a customer could go down with the place. On top of that, the reports generally suggest the service is substandard. This is all why I don't go to them.

Short answer: No FS in those 'hoods.

Bruno68

02-19-03, 13:11

surfer

A word of caution about danish health club: i have never been, but i have heard that the girls can be hit or miss. I suspect u might be disappointed with the quality - but that is just a guess, not based on experience.

The real problem with Danish is that if you drive for an hour north of Boston and you get there and don't like the girls, you have no alternative but to drive an hour back. There is nothing else up there: no strip joints, no SWs, AMPs -- nothing.

Providence is the opposite. There are many AMPs and if you read the boards you can find the one that offers FS. But even if you dont like those girls there are a bunch of high mileage strip clubs.

Springfield is a HAUL from Boston, but if you want truly gorgeous women with a champagne room where rules seem bendable, it is worth the drive. There is also a street scene there.

However, I must emphasize that if you do come to New England and you are willing to take one long drive - you should go to Waterbury CT and one of the recommended AMPs. the girls are not as gorgeous as you get in SF, but I would be very interested in hearing from a SF local how the service compares - once you've had a table shower, your perspective changes lol

Z_Ice_Blue

02-21-03, 04:28

Hey Trent/Others

If you do an outcall with a girl who charges $$$, do you give her just that or add a tip too based on the mileage? Whats the tip like?
Also whats recommended, should u get her to a hotel room or should you get it to your place?

thanx

Z

Havent dared a outcall yet. Have done a few successful Amps though!

HeinieLover

02-21-03, 04:54

Ur postin on da California board....Boston to Springfield is hardly a long drive ( `bout 2 hrs on I-90 )
Now San Francisco to Santa Barbara is quite a haul ( I usually make it in `bout 4 hrs...but I like takin da PCH!)

Dozers speakin da gospel `bout Danish. Mostly I've seen more negative comments than positive.
Der are clubs on da way thought. Tens is on da NH beach area, then ders Peabody and der are various escorts north of Boston `n NH.

But wit recent news outta RI ( check dat board) Springfield seems a worthwhile daytrip. Ders also points of interest an hour south of Springfield, in Hartford (mp)

just my 2 cents!

AGL

02-21-03, 16:43

[QUOTE]Originally posted by z_ice_blue
[i]Hey Trent/Others

If you do an outcall with a girl who charges $$$, do you give her just that or add a tip too based on the mileage? Whats the tip like?

thanks z""""""

all - i've said it before and i'll say it again.... IMHO $$$ is just too much to be paying for the act. and the more we comment on it the more the girls will get the idea we accept this amount.

let them make it up in market share like the rest of us have to in our respective business'. i mean this shit isn't gold plated.

i get so pissed off when i read adds that say "generous gentlemen only" or "upscale gentlemen need only call". come on this is pussy, nothing more nothing less. a pretty face is worth only so much.

and to those millionaires who disagree with me because c-notes in their wallet are like ten's in mine, go to vegas if you really wanna throw your money down. stop driving up the market for the more common man.

-agl

Z_Ice_Blue

02-24-03, 03:50

Noble thoughts!

Its an open market, and the market decides the price.

But here is what we can do. I think we have several regulars here, and together we may be forming a good percentage of the market share. How about starting a club (can call it 'wsg' or whatever - that is all readers of WSG Forum call themselves Wsgers) - and we agree on a price, like $and 1/2 for FS with an enthusiastic sw, $ for a mechanical one (we can decide on the price) and practice this for a month, and see if we can influence the market. We agree to never pay more (for a month at least) - I think it will ultimatelybe good for all readers. And maybe we can, when we are striking the deal, mention the club name, and put in a word that a +ve review to the clubmembers may mean more business.

What do you fellas think? I think its worth a try!

HoMaster

02-24-03, 15:16

Originally posted by z_ice_blue
Noble thoughts!

Its an open market, and the market decides the price.

But here is what we can do. I think we have several regulars here, and together we may be forming a good percentage of the market share. How about starting a club (can call it 'wsg' or whatever - that is all readers of WSG Forum call themselves Wsgers) - and we agree on a price, like $and 1/2 for FS with an enthusiastic sw, $ for a mechanical one (we can decide on the price) and practice this for a month, and see if we can influence the market. We agree to never pay more (for a month at least) - I think it will ultimatelybe good for all readers. And maybe we can, when we are striking the deal, mention the club name, and put in a word that a +ve review to the clubmembers may mean more business.

What do you fellas think? I think its worth a try!

O.K., IceIceBaby, you're the Honorary Chairman of The Club.

OaklndFats

02-26-03, 16:27

Originally posted by Z_Ice_Blue
Noble thoughts!

Its an open market, and the market decides the price.

But here is what we can do. I think we have several regulars here, and together we may be forming a good percentage of the market share. How about starting a club (can call it 'wsg' or whatever - that is all readers of WSG Forum call themselves Wsgers) - and we agree on a price, like $and 1/2 for FS with an enthusiastic sw, $ for a mechanical one (we can decide on the price) and practice this for a month, and see if we can influence the market. We agree to never pay more (for a month at least) - I think it will ultimatelybe good for all readers. And maybe we can, when we are striking the deal, mention the club name, and put in a word that a +ve review to the clubmembers may mean more business.

What do you fellas think? I think its worth a try!

Sounds like "price-fixing" and "restraint of trade" to me.

Trent2461

03-07-03, 04:35

I saw Pearl tonight. I found her on EROS.

http://www.eros-guide.com/files/celeste4-pearl2.htm

510 453-4978

The pictures look fantastic on the website, and it is the same woman if you look at the face and body, but she has changed her hair color back to it's natural color of brown. She also advised me that she was wearing blue contacts in the photo.

Having said that, the only reason I didn't tell her to go was because she still looked attractive and she had a nice presonality. She came in and gave me a big kiss right off the bat and started chatting. I told her she should update her photos.

Now down to the details.... She is just as petite in person as in the photos. I'd say she was a size one/two with these tiny perky breasts and this round little behind.

She got undress with no problems and climbed right into bed and soon as I was in bed she went straight to the target. Started with light caresing and kissing with a HJ which lasted about 5-minutes. Then on goes the cover for a very good but quick CBJ. I told her to slow down, but she claimed she wanted me inside her so I complied.

She wanted it MISS first and did have one of the tightest boxes I have every come across, and she really did know how to work those muscles down there. But she works it to make you come quick and you really have to slow her down or switch positions as I did. But what ever position you're in she's trying to make you come. We also did CG and Doggie to completion! She didn't offer a second cup and I didn't ask, but she didn't rush out of bed either. In fact she stayed and talked another 20-minutes and I had to give her the hint to go.

Overall I would sort of recommend her if not just for that super tight box of hers. YMMV! But she needs to slow down and not talk so much!

Trent2461

03-07-03, 04:49

Hey Guys,

I've been reading the post here and I must agree that the prices for the ladies in SF is sky high for the qualitity. I live on the east coast but I'm out here once amonth for business and I get bored.

I feel the AMP's give you the best value for your money in SF, but the outcall ladies are more attractive IMHO.

I've met some really great outcall ladies and I will get the posts up, but I haven't met any at a great rate! All the really hot ladies want $$$ abd $$$$ for the deed. I've sampled the top ladies and they are truly fine, and I have a wonderful time, but I haven't repeated because I just don't think it's worth the money. I keep thinking about Mercedes... Blonde, Blue Eyed, and Super Fine. I'd say she was a hard 9 across the board and I never give out ratings that high. Every time I come into SF I want to call her, but can't get past the $$$$ admission fee to play the game.

The great part about outcall is they come to you, the great part about incall is the price and you get to see it up close and personal first. There nothing worse than waiting on an outcall and then she shows up and you don't like it.

Trent

PurpleNGold

03-07-03, 04:56

Originally posted by OaklndFats
Sounds like "price-fixing" and "restraint of trade" to me.

No. Price fixing and restraint of trade would be if the sw's got together and set the prices they intended to charge us. We would just be a group of consumers voting with our dollars.

ChuckPinoy

03-08-03, 03:12

I'll weigh in on this discussion -- SF is the place. Only place I now feel safe. I used to like going to Nashville but the WSG saved me a fruitless trip.

Tampa is fun as a change. In some of the clubs you can arrange later service, but it is mainly a lot of touching in the clubs.

East St. Louis used to be fun and if done right has a huge supply. You probably need to know where you are going.

SF and AMP is guarenteed quality and the incall scene is a great alternative.

Sorry, but if you restrict yourself to the US, you are limited.

ChuckPinoy

03-17-03, 09:26

Visited SF and was anxious to try the Golden Flower -- easy to find and a very strong experience for $170 all-in. No problem getting in on a Monday night at 9 -- 5 choices at least 3 of which were premium.

Since then I have been trying to consider how to communicate this experience. Suffice it to say that in 1977 in Holland as a young man I had my first Amsterdan RLD experience and was grabbed in a very special way. I figured all the Amsterdam girls were like this but I soon learned that this was a once in a lifetime find.

Lo and behold 26 years later she was reincarnated as a Korean --

24 years old - 8 face; 10 body and 12 on a scale of 1 to 10 in technique. And I consider myself to be a tough grader.

Round 2 at Kings my habitual haunt was very disappointing -- $60 for one hour + $140 tip she seemed overly pleased. Well lower next time if I can't find my Golden Flower!!

foofighter

03-19-03, 04:45

I would have to agree that Golden Flower is the place to go in SF. I have been to few others, Empire included, and the others don't even compare. Last time I went on a weekend evening around 7 there had to be 15+ girls available and quite a few 8's and 9's. The service here is what will keep my coming back, literally..obvioulsy YMMV.
FF

zokko

03-20-03, 02:07

Just visited Rainbow Spa, chose Lily from a lineup of 6 or 7, all good looking. Lily is Korean, young with a firm body in all the right places. Feeling her ass was a pleasure in itself.

The basic massage was well worth the $50 charged, good and firm with back walking, the whole bit. I didn't need to ask for FS, she just looked at me and took off her black silk neglige. $120 with no haggling for half and half, reverse cowgirl followed by mish.

All in all a good punt, will visit again, and will probably choose Lily again in the near future for a repeat performance. Big thing for me was the lack of the hassle factor that you get at clip joints like the MSC or even places like Empire where I went a while back, no choice and tedious negotiations (she wanted $200 on top of the $50 massage).

foofighter

03-20-03, 05:31

Zokko,

I haven't been to Rainbow so I can't compare..but I have been to Empire and I have had good and bad experiences. One horrible experience not only had the girl haggling for more money but also not letting me leave the room when I decided that I didn't want to get ripped off and started to leave.

Other times I have had great experiences where money wasn't even an issue until after service (which makes the whole experience that much better).
I guess it just depends on the girl.

FF

RandyOne

03-21-03, 13:05

Where to go/what to see near Union Square. Will be first time visitor to SF, next month.

ozikboy

03-23-03, 17:40

Originally posted by ChuckPinoy
Visited SF and was anxious to try the Golden Flower -- easy to find and a very strong experience for $170 all-in. No problem getting in on a Monday night at 9 -- 5 choices at least 3 of which were premium.

Since then I have been trying to consider how to communicate this experience. Suffice it to say that in 1977 in Holland as a young man I had my first Amsterdan RLD experience and was grabbed in a very special way. I figured all the Amsterdam girls were like this but I soon learned that this was a once in a lifetime find.

Lo and behold 26 years later she was reincarnated as a Korean --

24 years old - 8 face; 10 body and 12 on a scale of 1 to 10 in technique. And I consider myself to be a tough grader.

Round 2 at Kings my habitual haunt was very disappointing -- $60 for one hour + $140 tip she seemed overly pleased. Well lower next time if I can't find my Golden Flower!!

ozikboy

03-23-03, 17:44

Dear chuckpinoy
Do you remmeber the name of the golden flower girl. I have not tried "the flower but I want to... I am a regular at Kings with Joanne and she gives me a GFE every time for $1.5.
PS you do not have to worry about giving me her name . I am not that "big". PS do you think the $ goes up if you are dressed better?

firejumper

03-24-03, 18:35

Has anyone tried Sophias Massage Parlor. I am considering a first time visit there this week.

THANK's .....FIREJUMPER

MondaysChilde

03-24-03, 21:03

Zokko - next time you don't want to haggle, just lay $100 on the table next to the bed. They usually will go for it b/c they're aware you just might take it off the table otherwise...

Foofighter - never let them block you in the room, so long as you are in the U.S. of A. Sometimes it's smart to give in if you get caught with yr pants down overseas, but hey, here you are the boss and a few choice (and loud) words will get the mamasan by your side in a New York minute.

They don't have anything on you so long as you are on your home turf.

LittleBigMan

03-27-03, 19:36

LittleBigMan has been caged up for a while, Can anyone recommend a girl that works at Lee's, that give a good massage and FS, BBBJ. Since my last visit my favorite has quite and don't
want to come away empty. Except for Golden Flower, I usually
just pay $150 for full service, I noticed some posters are paying
$170.00, has the price gone up even in this economy?

Has anyone been to the massage parlor on Lombard St. if so
any white girls?

Thanks,
LBM

foofighter

03-28-03, 05:46

MondaysChilde..thanks for the advice but in my case I did leave the room but having this girl get in front of the door and tell me I couldn't leave because she would get in trouble if she didn't come away with some money was pretty crazy.

LittleBigMan...I have never paid more than 150, although I have never been to Lee's. I have been to a few different ones but since I found Golden Flower (thanks to this board) I will stay there for a while. Especially in this economy 150 will get you plenty depending on the girl.

For those of you who have been to both Lee's and Golden Flower, how do they compare in your opinion (number and quality of girls, etc)?

tocsin

04-09-03, 00:28

Anybody got any action through the bay couples swinger site? I like the number of listing but hate the fact that the limit "non-premium" members certain features. I know people gotta make a buck but if it is all a scam then I don't want to shell out the bucks.

ozikboy

04-09-03, 21:07

went to golden flower on sunday night. $2,3 for 45 min. name was sherry. very pretty but shitty attitude. would not let me daty and was upset that I f--- so long ( i like my $ worth). chuck pinoy if you are reading this it sounds like you did much better value. can you tell me a name. If not I will return to my sure thing at Kings

cromagnon

04-11-03, 09:06

Thanks to the guidance from guys on this board, I visited the Golden Flower for my first time. This was on a Friday night just before 10 pm. I must have been lucky, because when I buzzed the door it opened immediately with no discussion from the mamasan. I walked through the second door expecting a little greeting room or something, but it was not there and I walked right into the main room of the place.

I've been spending a few days in San Francisco, and I have seen many very attractive and sexy women here, but I wasn't quite prepared to walk into a room lined with over a dozen scantily clad asian women, any of whom would fuck for a price. What do I do next? How could I pick? It must be a slow night, man, they are all lined up and I'd be happy to do any of them. I saw big tits, medium tits, and some nice waists. All dark hair.

One of the ladies, Seiko, called out "you're supposed to pick a girl!" I knew that, and I was looking forward to doing just that, but I thought there might be some formalities first. So I stood in the middle of the room and gawked for awhile. No one offered me tea or asked me to sit down. I wanted one with a nice body but more important to me was one with a friendly approach to her job. I don't know how to tell this in a quick glance, and I was debating with myself about the choices between big tits or small ass. Meanwhile Ampman's advice was running through my head - while you are sizing them up, they are sizing you up. Some gave up on me and returned to their books.

Since Seiko looked at least as good as the rest, and she actually had said something to me, I picked her. She was wearing tight pink pants and a pink halter that made her tits look round and full. Probably about 5-2, 34 -24-33, but I'm not an underwear salesman, so I don't really know. Curvy, small waist, highlights in her shoulder length hair. Her face looked like somebody was home. Down the stairs we went and she took the money for the house. I took the shower and hung up my clothes. Seiko returned smelling slightly of a certain herb and wearing a skimpy white nightie. She asked me to lay down. But first she asked me to pay. I gave her the $.

Her tits looked a little smaller under the gown, so I guess that pink bra must have been the push-up kind. They were still very round and nice, with little pencil eraser nipples pointing right at me. I laid face down, she put a towel over me and began rubbing my neck and back. Actually, she did a pretty good job with a back rub. I enjoyed it but I was wondering, "Ok, what happens next?" After about 5 minutes on my back, she asked me to roll over. I did, and I put my hand on her thigh up near her crotch. She didn't bat an eye, and my other hand went to her shoulder while she was running her fingertips very lightly over my chest.

She had the smoothest, softest skin I have felt on a woman. It was like butter, or cream, or - apparently - the skin of a young asian woman. I liked that skin a lot. And if I put my hand near the pelvis of any other stranger, she wouldn't let it stay long. Just doing that was enough for me to know that I was going to get to feel up this woman.

I was laying there with her hands on my chest and my hands on her. I guess she was waiting for me to make the move so I told her I wanted to take her clothes off. She asked me to clarify before she stood up, turned her back to me and pulled the nightie over her head. I saw this beautiful naked woman, with B cup tits rounded in front, a soft smooth ass, and nice smooth legs. I told her with all honesty that she was beautiful. She sat down and made a melodromatic gesture at my erection. "It's so big!" Then she said "You must understand, I am Chinese and I am small, and you are big." Do they all tell this story? Someone please let me know.

She used it as an excuse for not getting on top, which I wasn't able to get her to do. I promised to be nice so she laid me back, put on the party hat, and gave me a good sucking. She did nice work with her teeth and lips. I enjoyed handling her breasts and touching her nipples. I think she has implants, because I could feel firm parts on the bottom side and softer organs on the top. I liked them all the same. Meanwhile, she was making these girlie moans that were kind of cute, but I could have done without them. We both know what business she is in, and I don't think she's subtle enough for Hollywood.

She laid on her back and indicated I was to get at it, but "remember, I'm small".

So I pushed my dick into her bush and began moving. She leaves much of her pubic hair there, which I really like. It was a very stiff and black patch of fur at the bottom of her gently curved belly. She pulled her knees up and I watched in the mirror while Richard slid into the mound of this amazingly smooth young woman. This is what I came here for, and it was quite a sexy experience, but it was not the same as doing it with a girlfriend. It's like eating frosting without the meal. But I enjoyed caressing her smooth, soft breasts while my dick was going in and out between her creamy thighs.

Every time I asked her to get on top, her English got bad, or she was too small. I can't figure out why she wouldn't do it, because if she really had a short hole it wouldn't matter who was on top. But by just rolling her over I got her into the doggie and went in from behind. Her ass was soft. Not tiny and tight, but very nice and not at all large. In tight pants or out of them, I would love to pat that butt. No pants here - her butt was bare and I was between the cheeks looking at her little asshole and pulling myself into her hips.

She asked me to come right away, of course. I had made the mistake of telling her that I'm from out of town. So she probably saw me as a non-returning customer and I think she figured she might as well get rid of me asap. If she asks whether you live in SF, say yes. Or maybe they had just gotten busy upstairs.

I let her lay on her back again and after some slow fucking with pauses to admire and pet all of her yummy parts, I finally went for the finish. She did her part with kegel muscles which rather impressed me. It was nice to get squeezed like that.

Afterwards, she told me again that she was small and I was big, and she asked "OK? OK?" How could I tell her to jump into my arms and let me carry her to my hotel room for nude dancing, English lessons, and another round? How could I tell her that her skin was exquisite but I wished we had made love instead of sex? But our transaction was ending so I said "ok."

When I was walking back out through the main room, I saw it was empty. I was lucky to get in just before the rush. Twenty minutes later, I would not have gotten in.

It's incredible that places like this exist.

LittleBigMan

04-13-03, 02:12

Ozikboy,

Would you please clarify what you mean by " $2,3 45 Mins "
What did you pay?

LBM

ozikboy

04-13-03, 16:29

little bigman
I paid too much...$230... for 45 min. as I said poor attitude but she was so cute. Next time b/4 I pay I will clarify what I want for my money. esp attitude. but it is always a gamble... One approach is to stick with one who gives you great service... dont stray...... the other approach is variety- with the risk that you are going to have some duds.

to cromagnon
yes they always tell you that you are huge.... Remember you are paying someone to make you feel good. Hearing a girl say "jesus, your dick is small" does not play in to our fantasy!!!! at least for me.

All the best...
PS has anyone been with asian girls form Eros .com. there are some beauties for 250.00 hour and I was wondering how the service was

bruce_lee

04-17-03, 03:47

Can anyone recommend an MP that has a nice clean and upscale facility? Something decent like the Swedish Touch in Vancouver, only I'm looking for one in SF.

MondaysChilde

04-17-03, 18:44

CroMag - Nice report.

Bruce_Lee - Basically you can't find places in S.F. that are (a) Upscale; and (b) Serve up extras.

Try Ceo Massage on 160(?) Bush next to the sushi restaurant, or Lotus Flower out on 45th and Noriega. The nicest facilities for a standard AMP are at Golden Flower and Kings, IMHO.

If it's asian, you can get extras. For some reason, they don't seem to think it's a sin.

Larson

04-21-03, 15:39

Hello Guys,

SF is home for me but I moved away a three years ago. I went home two weeks ago to visit family and friends and had a whale of a time.

First evening I took BART over to Oakland to meet a friend for dinner. She is a babe but we are “just friends”. I was horny as hell on my way back to the city. I had picked up a porn mag and was looking at it on my way back. I was oblivious to what was going on around me, which is not a wise thing to do in SF or any big city. Anyway, I looked up to see a girl making eye contact with me and smiling. I smiled back and she moved to the seat next to me. She made a comment about my reading material, and said the real thing is always better then a meg. Long story short, I groped her to be sure she was a she, and we got off at Powel and walked down 4th street to get away from the croud. For a small $ she gave a great bbbj in a place that anyone could walk around the corner at any moment and see us, which was really hot.

She said she usually worked the BART stations looking for the guys going home late from work. Said that many times she will provide BBBJ or HJs right on the train.

The second night I went to an AMP, which was on Farrell across the street from the Hilton, I don't know the name of the place. For a low $$$ I got a fair rub-down and FS from a girl with a cute face, little tits, but great legs. It was a great value! I love those legs!

Night three was Saturday and I went with a friend to The Power Exchange. First time there and it was a lot of fun. Ended up getting BJ from a lushes blond who had an incredible face and huge, huge tits, who was spralled out on a couch completely naked. While she did me another guy was banging her. An hour latter I got BJ from an Asian girl, well she looked female, but I am not sure. Great face and nice tits but I did not see or feel anything lower down. However, very talented mouth. All this for the entrance fee, which was around $20. and not only all the fun, it is legal too!!

Berkeley Boy

04-28-03, 18:10

Dropped by Golden Flower two weeks ago right around midnight. Mamasan buzzed me in even before I ring the bell. Inside was a 150 sq ft waiting room with sofas on two sides. The far side was occupied by a dozen or so beauties, mostly 7-9, all korean. Another 5 customers sat next to the entrance. Several ladies made frequent eye contacts but I ended up choosing one that pretty much ignored all the men in the room. Go figures .... men's idiosyncracy I suppose :)

She logged in on a book and took me to a room with shower. Since sign in time is 15 mins later I figured I had that much time to make myself comfortable. Nina (I believe that's her name) came in later dressed in a nightie san underwear. She gave me a reasonable good back massage for 5 mins. But when I tried to touch her she said later. That was the first sign that the session would be not as fun as I hoped.

We did the usual half and half but the whole session was perfunctory. Very little touching and body contact was allowed. This should be a contact sport and not surprising I wasn't enjoying it. 5 mins into the session I was as eager to get it over with as her. The whole deeds (from shower to shower) lasted 20 mins. I gave her 1.5$ afterwards. Could have (and should have) be less generous but I couldn't.

I believe my bad experience has more to do with the girl than the setup so I am willing to give the place another try. Couple of questions for the veteran.
- how much time do I usually have? How can I enjoy the full hour? Can I ask her to finish the massage if my time isn't up?
- Would the service be better if I left the money on the table beforehand?

LittleBigMan

04-29-03, 16:14

Berkeley Boy,

Welome to the club, you were pretty generous and patient, but this could and will happen at any other place you might have visited unless you see get a recommendation or see someone regularly. Everyone has to pay their dues!

When this happens to me, because I want to try someone different and it's my money! I pretty much ask her, is that it, and if she give me attitude! I tell her really nice, " I don't think this is going to work for both of us and I start to put my clothes on, I give her $50.00 tops. No more conversation, go back out and tell Mamasan that I have to come back some other time! No question ask, she knows and so does the other girls that see me leaving what happen!

LBM

Member #6586

04-29-03, 20:19

Larson,

How much $$$ did you spend at that AMP on O'Farrel? I read through a few of your other posts and notice you don't specify how much you spend very often. It would be nice to know.

foofighter

04-30-03, 03:55

Berkeley boy,

I agree with LittleBigMan that so much depends on the luck of the draw. I have only been to Golden Flower enough times to count on one hand and have had all great experiences. My first was great and I have seen the same one since because when I am tempted to see another I remember all of the so-so experiences I have had in the past at other places and don't feel like risking my money on something not proven when I can have a for sure thing.
If you are a regular and the girls see you more often your chances of a good session improve, and if the mamasan remebers you that might also help (who knows...I don't know any of them personally).

The time you have depends on the girl, I usually don't take my full time with the massage with the regular I see, but with a new girl I might take some more time.
As far as leaving the money on the table beforehand I can see both sides to doing that. She might see the money and feel like she doesn't need to work as hard and give you a bad experience or she may feel more at ease and perform better. I personally like to pay at the end and with the regulars that I have seen at GF and elsewhere money doesn't come up till the end because they know what I will give them from past experience. Paying at the end also keeps from destroying the mood completely.

FF

Larson

04-30-03, 20:25

Allen Eire wrote:
"How much $$$ did you spend at that AMP on O'Farrel? I read through a few of your other posts and notice you don't specify how much you spend very often. It would be nice to know."

Your correct Allen, I typically do not state anything about money or a specific girl. I know that some people will not agree with me on this but . . . I think it comes to close to pimping when you name specific girls and prices. I think that if you read through the posts you will find out the going rates from other posts.

CanCan

04-30-03, 20:36

Originally posted by Berkeley Boy
Dropped by Golden Flower two weeks ago right around midnight. Mamasan buzzed me in even before I ring the bell. Inside was a 150 sq ft waiting room with sofas on two sides. The far side was occupied by a dozen or so beauties, mostly 7-9, all korean. Another 5 customers sat next to the entrance. Several ladies made frequent eye contacts but I ended up choosing one that pretty much ignored all the men in the room. Go figures .... men's idiosyncracy I suppose :)Never choose the girl that doesn't do eye contact with you. Always go for the girls that smile at you. (this also aplies on real life - e.g clubs, - )

BlnkNameCruiser

05-02-03, 02:24

Larson,
That sounds like power exchange is a great palce. I have some pals who went but they brought girls and didnt get to sample the variety. now I wish I could go. I moved to China which is providing a lot in this dept but I guess you always want what you cant have.

blanknamecruiser

Jaw4You

05-02-03, 21:15

Hey gang; gonna be in town overnight only on Tuesday of this coming week. Staying by the airport so I need some advice from the experts on an AMP close to SFO? Any help appreciated.

Motorback

05-03-03, 11:01

Hey Guys.....I'm coming out to SF this week on business. I've researched the threads back to Jan of this year. Most of the recent talk has been about AMPS. I'm more into the SW scene. Is the heat still on or has it died down? Any info greatly appreciated.

BlowJoe

05-04-03, 12:17

I've seen references to providers offering GFE. I see from the acronym list that it means "Girl Friend Experience" but what does that mean? I assume it doesn't mean you get to take her to a movie or to your releatives for Thanksgiving.

Does it mean kissing, esp. french kissing?

Doctor Grim

05-04-03, 16:27

Originally posted by BlowJoe
I've seen references to providers offering GFE. I see from the acronym list that it means "Girl Friend Experience" but what does that mean? I assume it doesn't mean you get to take her to a movie or to your releatives for Thanksgiving.

Does it mean kissing, esp. french kissing?

It means your experience would be very similar if not the same as the one you'd have with your gf in terms of intimacy. DFK, caressing....etc....It will not however mean fs all the time b/c you can certainly have a very good gfe FBSM and not having sex.

bruce_lee

05-10-03, 18:05

Went to Golden Flower with a friend last night. The girls are definitely better looking, much more attractive than Lee's. The facility is much cleaner and nicer too. The first thing I noticed was that the girls actually made eye contact with smiles and confidence, that was a plus in my book. However, the action is staged the same, shower, massage, half and half, on top, then missionary. There is one exception, the girl at Golden Flower gave me a hand job with her butt over my face, only she didn't allow touching. I paid $160 for everything, while my friend paid $160 + $10 tip. We both agreed that the service seemed kinda rushed, the girls really wanted to push that 45 min max limit. So I might stick with Lee's just because the girls don't try to move you along as quickly. Has anyone here ever paid for 2 sessions to stay longer?

FlyBy

05-11-03, 01:18

Hi all,

Recently got back from a week long business trip to SF. Wow this city rocks!

Day 1:

Anxious to try out Golden Flower I hit the phone book the moment I got to my room. To my dismay theres no fucking address! I call the place but no answer, no recording. Ok time is ticking; start lining up the places to visit based on geographic location relative to me (6th & O'Farrel).

I hit King's first around 12pm; its located in a seedy looking alley across the front entrance to the Marriott. I get buzzed in, there are like 4 girls just hanging around...1 really stuck out as above average. No mammasan was present; I smiled and walked towards my intrest she gets up takes my hand and we're off to a room. This place looks pretty neat (first time in an AMP) though a little dirty for my tastes; reminds me of a hostel. Well my session went so well I couldn't believe it. Well worth the total $160.

I have a late lunch in China Town, then hit a place called the Green Door not too far away. Stay away...this place sucks. Its not an AMPS, and the lady I got stuck with is not what I bargained for..the cute college chic at the front door who said she was free supposedly had to leave all of sudden...(while I was showering) and now this late 30 something mexican was the main menu. Got a decent rub..then took off...and guess what..the college chic was watching tv when I left 75 minutes later. Scam imho.

Ok head back to the hotel for a power nap...its saturday night want to hit some night clubs.

Day 2:

Its Sunday..get up late from partying with some chics last night; its lunch time, found this internet cafe across my hotel...have a bite and search the forum for Golden Flower's location. After about a half hour of searching I found it. Sorry I forgot already..I had all the places highlighted on a map I was going to scan for you all but lost it somewhere when I got home. If memory serves its on 2nd st and the road that runs parallel to the park near the mall with the Sony shop which is located south of where the street cars turn around. Easy walk from Kings or the Marriott.

I hit Golden Flower about 2pm; holy shit there are like 20 girls in the room watching tv. Again no mamasan..a chic buzzed me in. When I entered the main room one chic asks if I've been there before I said yes (keeping my best poker face) and asked in Yoko(read the name somewhere on the net) was there. She said no she hadn't worked there for long time...love the way they talk :) Anyway the choice here was damn tough there like mostly 7 to 9's working here. She took me back and we had an great hour session. I never felt rushed like some others mentioned but then again there were like two other guys in the joint which is pretty big...business must be slow. Btw the girls name was Su-Hee.

Day 3:

I hit Mitchell brother's around 10pm. $40 cover..my hotel didn't have any of the VIP discount coupons and they wouldn't gimme one at the door. Anyway go in..this place looks cheap and scummy. The girls however are all atleast 5's with maybe 50% of them 8's. There was three girls who really caught my attention. One white blonde who reminded me of Anna Kornikova...real hustler in the back room..ending up dropping $100 for lap dances..fingers got wet and she got pissed :P

Next I tried the next hottie; she said she's mexican but looks american too me. Anyway even bigger hustler...constantly talking about how much more friendly she'd be for $$$. I take her to the VIP room; where I drop $150 and got crappy lap dances. She pulled off her bottons to flash her sweet **** in my face so I decided to get my fingers wet...went down hill from there.

Finally I decided this place is just one big tease unless your ready to drop > $400 for a hottie. As I was walking out met a girl who was like a 7; she took me into another area where there were two rooms with beds for bed dances...we entered one and I dropped $250 and left very happy :) But no plans to visit again.

Day 4 and 5 get more intrested as I get off the beaten path..will post when I more time.

LuvBlkWomen

06-09-03, 22:38

Will be in SF end of month. Will be staying in Downtown/Union Square area. Would like to sample an AMP or GFE. Any recommendations? Read previous posts. Saw "Golden Flower" mentionned a few times. Is it in Downtown/Union Square area? Any others worth considering? Any recommendation for nightclubs, going solo.

jimbehr2000

06-09-03, 23:00

Lvblkwmn, all of the best AMPS are located near Union Square. Some of the ones with the best reputations near Union Square are: Empire, Lee's, Golden Flower, Rainbow, Golden Dragon, and King's. Lee's and GF usually have the larger lineups. GF girls usually ask for $20-40 more than the other AMPs but some say the sessions there are rushed. GF definitely has the best looking line-up in town imho.

I would strongly advise you to stick to the above places or any others with positive reviews on this board. Paris, Green Door, Springtime, and Thailand are other AMPs that consistently get poor reviews and I suggest you avoid them.

NothingButtens

06-09-03, 23:52

i was wondering if anyone ever goes to any Amps in the tenderloin like Sun Spa or Sophies? I've had great times at both but I have to say stay away from springtime had some bad times there. Yes times got to give a place at least two tries before I curse it.

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

LuvBlkWomen

06-10-03, 17:28

jimbehr2000 - Thanks for info.

tourist_bob

06-12-03, 05:44

The Crazy Horse on Market St. is by far one of the best strip joints in the nation. The location, the atmosphere, and the decadence all add up to the most sinful experience one can have without selling his soul to the devil.

The old converted movie theater permeates sex from it's every corner. I am addicted and drawn to this sanctuary of pleasure. The girls entice me into their oozing darkness. I surender.

DiDi is a muse, goddess. I cannot help but fall madly into her trap. her legs envelope the very essence of my manhood, and she welcomes my warmth, seeping inside.

She will be featuring all week next week with Angel. Don't be shy to ask for a little extra. It's not cheap, but definitely worth your money. You'll fall in love with her, if only for a moment. The heavens will shed tears, but you will be in extasy.

Enjoy (her name is DiDi) Whisper your intentions and be discreet.

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

PeoplesElbow

06-13-03, 10:47

I was in San Francisco earlier this week and decided to go to Mitchell Bros. instead of Golden Flower or King's because I had a taste for American/Hispanic, not Asian.

Well, it cost me around $220, which is pricey but I got ccbj by a 10. She was totally nude and had a perfect face and body. Properly groomed as well, if you know what I'm cookin.

HeinieLover

06-13-03, 15:37

Originally posted by peopleselbow
I was in San Francisco earlier this week and decided to go to Mitchell Bros. instead of Golden Flower or King's because I had a taste for American/Hispanic, not Asian.

Well, it cost me around $220, which is pricey but I got ccbj by a 10. She was totally nude and had a perfect face and body. Properly groomed as well, if you know what I'm cookin.
I can appreciate ur taste in entertainment, BUT...
CBJ?? 2-2-0!!??
Fur dat kinda contribution, ya coulda had at least `n hour wit `n escort of close to, if not a "10" herself inna a more relaxed setting. Not dat ya shouldn't enjoy da show `n maybe a more reasonable offer but The-A-terS like this thrive `cause of da 'captive audience' aspect, `n we start thinkin wit da 'little head'. Next time, plan ahead. Look around `n see what UDDER possibilities R available.

JMHO brudder.

Bono

06-14-03, 02:38

Has anyone ever been to the Market Street Cinema strip club.Seems like a lot of activities going on in this place. Any feedback would be welcome.I was in Sf just the last weekend and seems like that place is swinging. Any comments would be welcome

El Gato Gordo

06-14-03, 12:14

Originally posted by Bono
Has anyone ever been to the Market Street Cinema strip club.Seems like a lot of activities going on in this place. Any feedback would be welcome.I was in Sf just the last weekend and seems like that place is swinging. Any comments would be welcome I travelled to SF earlier this week and checked out the MSC. Its a pretty dingy, sleazy place. When you go in, you get the traditional stage show, although the night I was there it was pretty wild, with the dancer sticking various toys and objects into herself. $20 door fee. In the stage show area, there are numerous girls circulating who want to give you a lap dance. They range from 2 to about 7/8 IMHO. I got one lap dance ($20), with major touching. In the back, they have a large "cinema" room (XXX) and various other private rooms. $10 more to get in back. I hooked up with this nice looking Filipina in the cinema room and got a CBJ for $60 (I was quoted $100 for FS in one of the private rooms but passed). It actually was a rush getting the service while watching an anal movie on this massive screen, knowing that there were several other people in the cinema probably watching as I was being serviced. MSC will not be everyone's cup of tea, but if you like a sleazy experience it could be for you.

jimbehr2000

06-15-03, 14:17

LuvBlkWmn I should mention entry fees are $50 for 45 minutes and tips of $100-120 (in addition to entry fee) are expected. Let us know where you went and how you liked it. But stick to the ones I mentioned. Lee's is a little tricky to get into if you are not Asian or haven't been there before. Its a very good place but probably not a best choice for a first time AMP visitor. GF is worth visiting just to see the lineup but its the most expensive.

nothingbuttens: Been to both. Quality of women not consistent at Sun but its not a bad place. Sophia's providers often provide rushed service so I don't recommend it. One thing different about Sophia is that they have Latina providers.

Bono: your observations are correct. They have private booths in back and you'll have to pay $10 to get into that area. That's after paying their standard admission charge of $18-20 (I haven't been there in a while). Before you go to the back area you should negotiate with the girl for what you want. Some girls are ripoffs so be careful.

Dobutsu

06-17-03, 22:10

Where is Lee's?

People talk about it as being in the Union Square neighborhood, and in the same breath as Golden Flower, but that is not actually very close to Union Square (about 10 blocks away), but more like the Convention Center.

LittleBigMan

06-19-03, 15:15

Dobutsu,

Lee's and Golden Flower is not near Union Square.
Golden Flower is the closes to Union Square on 2nd and Howard.
From Union Square you walk down Post St. to Market. Cross Market St. and make a Left, you will see a MacDonalds and a
Mens Warehouse on the corner, that's 2nd. Make a right and go
down to Howard. GF, is next to the corner parking lot.

Lee's, is much further and is a good walk to 9th and Mission.

At Lee's I never spend more than $160.00, that's for FS, and depending on the girl it might be GFE.

Good Luck,
LBM

ozikboy

06-21-03, 21:28

Dear Little big man.
When you say no more than 160 at lees , does that include massage fee and 30 min of Full service or is that 160 to the girl on top of entrance fee.
thanks
ozikboy

Titman

06-21-03, 22:05

I will be in SF next week and I want to thank you all for some good information. I lived in SF a long time ago , 1975-83, and remember a very good and mellow scene. I remember that a fair number of 10+ who worked in the porn industry would make a few bucks on the side. Roberta Pedon used to sw on Stockton in Chinatown. The first time I met her I had just bought a mag featuring her, walked down the street, and met her. We went to her crib. She did a BBBJTCWS for $40 (1976), and I was a customer for about 30 times over the next 4 years. She had a hell of a drug problem, and I think she died of an o/d, but she'd whip off her top and I would damn near cum in my pants!

The Nevada "screw a pornstar" business is a pale and expensive comparison.

Any other geezer out there who remembers Roberta?

LittleBigMan

06-22-03, 16:53

ozikBoy,

If you have never been to Lee's and you're not asian, they might
tell you that the place is full and come back later. This is a indication that they think you are the law inforcement.
If they let you in and the mamasan ask you to sign in and they
ask you to pay up front and assign you one of the girls to a downstair room next to the bathroom, they still think you might be a set-up for them, but they're not positive!

The answer to your question, if you're a regular or act like one,
you don't pay up front for the massage. You go up to the room and pay after the massage and FS, After the deed, I take a shower again, before she comes back I get my $160.00 ready and fold it up and hand it to her and give her a kiss and a hug.

If you're not a regular, once you get inside, say hello to Mamasan
and head straight to bathroom, across from her desk, take a piss and head back out and grab yourself some tea and sit down and check out the girls. Doing this give them the impression that you have been their before!

Now, good luck with picking, everyone has to pay their dues until they find the right one that will give you that GFE!

Good Luck,
LBM

Amp Mule

06-24-03, 21:39

Titman,

If you check out Danni's hard drive you can see Roberta in all of her massive glory!
ampmule

Amp Mule

06-24-03, 21:49

Bono,

Been to msc and had a really great time. Got fs from a nice blonde in the back booth for $200.00. That included bbbj, tit fuckiing, she had 36cs and anal action after nailing her good and hard until she asked me to back door her. As I said she was blonde / 30s/ 5-5 / 135 / 36c. After her I waited a little while and took a really tall black girl into the back where she just blew my rod until I saw stars, I'm not kidding! Choose wisely and you will get what you want, just ask the girl as shes holding onto your johnson and everything will be ok.

TravelingDave

06-25-03, 04:07

Hope you guys can help. Been reading though the threads but still need some direction. I will be in SF for a few days business. In from London.

Will be staying in center of SF - union sq area. Can anyone suggest a good bar/club for meeting some ladies /chicks, maybe someone who might be ready for a fun night out. They can be local or even better yet traveling like me.

By the way, what does AMP stand for? I have seen it but it must be an American abbreviation.

Thanks
TD

Tsboy69

06-26-03, 04:47

AMP= Asian Massage Parlor.

In the city, you will find Viet, Korean and Chinese run MP's.

Happy hunting!

Titman

06-26-03, 15:27

Originally posted by Ampmule
Titman,

If you check out Danni's hard drive you can see Roberta in all of her massive glory!
ampmule *Sigh* Yeah, who would've thought her glory days would come 20 years after she was dead? The pictures are, alas, a pale reflection of what she was when she was strolling. I could never figure out why she was SWing, and not doing escort, the way she looked. By 1979 or so her crack habit and all-sperm diet had taken their toll; the last time I saw her (1980) she was about 90 pounds, but half of it was tits. I think she was from Sausalito originally.

Boston 1

06-28-03, 21:10

What are the chances of getting Herpes or other Std's at the AMP's?

I mean these girls must get a lot of traffic, and although they are carefull, it's the guys they service that I'm worried about.

Some std's like Herpes can be given even when no symptoms can be seen. They can be given from Daty or even kissing.

Any thoughts or anyone ever catch anything from the AMP's?

Adventurous1

06-29-03, 10:44

BONO - MSC/Market Street Cinema

I definitely wouldn't recommend Market Street Cinema based on my experiences there. It's sort of like 3 parts street scene and 1 part strip club. There are many ROBS (rip-off girls) in that place and the management will not rectify a wrong when it occurs. In fact most often I had seen that they will do nothing or even boot out a customer that is irate about a rip-off. There were also hobbyists on the below cited site last year that were discussing an incident in which a knife had reportedly been pulled on a custome by a girl in the lobby of that place.

If you must venture there then at least consult the SF Red Book site at the address below where hobbyists will from time to time post lists of girls that are ripoffs and girls that are straight shooters. I find however that in general there is a correlation between a girl being a ROBS and her being attractive enough to want to spend some time and hard-earned on. There are exceptions of course but a lot of the straights are IMO just not worth it.

I like the AMPS or some of the other clubs have a better ratio of Straights to ROBS that are worth your time and the security is much better.

Check out this site for a broad opinion on it and the other clubs:

http://www.myredbook.net/cgi-bin/dcforum2/dcboard.pl

zokko

07-01-03, 10:43

I went to Kings, there were only two girls free, it being busy. I saw Penny. Good bod, perhaps an 8. Nice firm massage with back walking, then she rode me pretty hard and good, finishing up with a cuddle. $50 + $120.

Also went to Rainbow Spa earlier, experience was fair but not as good as the first time. I made the mistake of going early in the day, not much choice.

Someone was saying that there was a Chineese AMP arround, all the ones I have visited are Korean.

reese_nova

07-01-03, 18:46

Hows it going fellow AMP lovers. I originally posted the following message in the San Jose forum, however I only received one response so I decided to post here.

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I'll be joining the various Cali post from now on. I have many messages on the Atlanta, GA forum but as I will be moving to San Jose in July I need to get familiar with the AMPs in Cali. I lived in San Jose from 1998 to 2001 but I never went to the AMPs out there. It wasn't until 2002 in Atlanta that I went to my first AMP. Now I'm addicted for life.

In Atlanta I usually pay $40 for cover and $100-$140 for FS. Is it about the same in Cali? I am a black male and I have had one or two women in the AMPs give me bad service because of my race but for the most part, my dozens of visits have been good. Is there any discrimination in the Cali AMPs? You can check some of my reports in the Atlanta post, I can be trusted.

I've been reading through some of the post here and it seems like it may be mit or miss at alot of the AMPs out there. Is one side of town more open then others? For instance San Fran vs. San Jose? In Atlanta we have a South side and a North side. The North side is expensive and the girls are stuck but very pretty. On the South side the action is always good and cheap but the quality of the women is hit or miss.

When I visit a new AMP, since I am a black male and I have to deal with the sterotypes I usually go in a suit like I just got off of work so not to be confused as a steet thug. I usually touch the girl during the massage and when I'm told to turn over, I usually make eye contact and some hand gestures. When I go to the places where I'm a regular I just give the girl the tip right after the body shampoo, skip the massage and get to business.

P.S. I know this is a long post, but last but not least is there some AMP guide for Cali? In Atlanta there is http://www.abcatl.com/personal_service/massage.htm

Capt Kirk

07-01-03, 23:56

Hi. What is the LE scene like in San Fran. Are they laid back. I live in Socal and would like to go up to San Fran and check out the AMPs that are supposedly great. I just hope that the LE dont crack down, like they do down in SoCal.

tengu6669

07-03-03, 10:36

In San Francisco, vice is pretty laid back when it comes to AMPs. There's the occasional bust. Ii think LE spends more time rousting the street girls and johns. Other Bay Area cities seem to be way more strict and have a lot of raids, especially in the South Bay.

foofighter

07-04-03, 03:36

Capt Kirk,

San Francisco police leave the AMPs alone for the most part. South of SF, especially on the peninsula (Redwood City, Mountain View, etc) there have been quite a few busts by law enforcement.

There are so many AMPs in the city that the cops stick to keeping stuff off the streets.

If you do make a trip up to SF, make sure to hit the Golden Flower, the line up of girls is amazing.

FF

Smooth 1

07-08-03, 11:59

Hi guys:

Will be in SF in the coming weeks and was hoping one of you guys could let me know where I can get 2 girls at the same time, and/or particapate in a gangbang or group sex. Hoping there is some club somewhere. Am only into REAL girls, and not into the gay scene or "transmutations".

Thanks,

Dr_Katz

07-08-03, 13:50

Checked out the Market Street Cinema last night. Oh, sure, I want to hook up with a girl named "Scorpion"! No thanks. Had a good time with the ladies although the hustle factor is way high. It's like every 3 minutes "give me another $20." I don't like those bouncers lounging around either. Will be checking out the Mitchell Brothers place tonight, I expect it to be a lot nicer.

Holden Mycox

07-09-03, 02:18

Foofighter speaks the truth. I made my first trip into the Golden Flower two weeks ago. It was K-girl heaven. The most attractive group of AMP workers I have seen on the West Coast.

The place looks set up like a mens club of some kind. They could have open entertainment there if they really wanted to. Almost like an FKK in Europe. I would guess we white devils might not get as far as our Asian brothers with some there, but I left a happy camper.. :-)

Boston: Your chances are higher the more rundown and skanky the talent (read lack of caring here).

Also if you choose to engage in "bareback" activities your odds of contracting go way up. Your question about Herpes is interesting. A condom really doesn't protect a guy from getting it. A condom will, however, help a guy prevent spreading it. Over 25% of people in the US have it or have had it at one point in their lives, whether or not they work in AMP's. Good time to start carpet munching. This allows you a really close view of the area before you get all the way down there. :-)

H.M.

UKW

07-10-03, 21:53

Guys, I will be in SF soon and wanted to ask you some questions:

- Strip Club scene: How are the strip clubs in SF and which ones are the best, e.g. where should I go to if I want full-contact, good lap dances; maybe something more, in the back

- Music Dance Clubs: what are some "meat-market" college-age dance clubs where you can grind against girls and get some "cheap thrills";

- Massage Parlors - I already read about Golden Gate here, any others? Keep in mind I'll be renting a car, so I don't have to pay for taxi; on the other hand maybe I'll have trouble finding them

- Any other pointers appreciated; I'm not so much after FS but rather "cheap thrills", as you may have gathered

Amp Mule

07-11-03, 20:21

DR_KATZ

Yes the Mitchell Bros. is cleaner and slightly less pushy but you will pay more for the service. Be prepared to sit back for awhile and see which girls are really workin. One word of caution, look out for robs. One goes by del rio I believe and she will suck your wallet dry!

HOEHAVEN

07-12-03, 22:46

Looking for a prostitute in the S.F area her name is Sa'Mia or Jennifer you can indentify her by liquor she will ask you to buy her some liquor or she just smells like liquor.

Denis

07-13-03, 10:07

Cruised last afternoon by Mission and 16th St. looking for SW
Found a young Red Head at the corner of Capp and 16th.
She jumped in the car, and asked for 40 for BJ. As she looked extra clean and nice, I said what about 80 for FS in my Hotel
agreed, I had a very good time with 3 pops, she was really good, I gave her 100, unfortunately she said she had no contact but said she was hanging around Mission, 16th sometimes when she needed cash. (her name was Samanta)
This prove that time to time you can be lucky with SW, but it is always a hit or miss.

Denis

Member #1049

07-13-03, 14:49

I was walking on Polk street Saturday early morning around 1 A.M, met a beautiful spanish girl between Post and Sutter. Would rate her 7. She asked me $150 plus cost of room rent for an hour of fun. Had only $100 cash, couldn't afford $200 at this stage. Would be nice if these SWs accept major credit cards.

Guys who had stopped their cars in the stop light started teasing me, had to leave the scene immediate. Wanted to do it very discrete but turned out to be the cynosure of every eye.

Sri50

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HoMaster

07-15-03, 00:19

Sri50 - In that area, at that time.....and a beautiful spanish girl......you should be sure to check for three legged women. Though that price sounds more like the two legged variety! Just my experience. - HoMaster

Originally posted by Member #1049
I was walking on Polk street Saturday early morning around 1 A.M, met a beautiful spanish girl between Post and Sutter. Would rate her 7. She asked me $150 plus cost of room rent for an hour of fun. Had only $100 cash, couldn't afford $200 at this stage. Would be nice if these SWs accept major credit cards.

Guys who had stopped their cars in the stop light started teasing me, had to leave the scene immediate. Wanted to do it very discrete but turned out to be the cynosure of every eye.

Sri50

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BlnkNameCruiser

07-15-03, 08:09

Reese_nova,
No one seems to have directly answered your question, however the answers are indirectly posted just after your post.

I will try to help.
SF is going to be a more sure thing since the Mayor thinks it should be legalized.

The typically only bust streets and the occasional token AMP.

The prices are similar to what you quoted however since the economy had been dropping I had been paying the entrance fee of 40-50, then getting full service for 80. For some time a lot of us were on a mission to get the prices dropped and we all bandded together to try. Just the willingness to insist politely typically works. You ahve to read the girl, and see if she is responsive to a gentle nice guy, or if she is hardened and will settle because you may walk out.

I have tried some places in SJ a lot too and you can typically get the same thing, but with more risk of them trying to be sure you are not a cop. The SJ and penninsula AMP's get busted every so often.

If you go to Palo Alto, Redwood City area, try going on El Camino North to 5th ave. (not a huge obvious street) and go to 93 5th ave on the left side. They used to always have a good selection of good quality girls. that section of 5 or so miles of El Camino has a few scaterings of AMP's you can check out.

As far as race, SF may likely be less reactive only because it is a large city and that will probably help.

Good luck.
blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser

07-15-03, 08:12

Reese_nova,
Also if you want the most up to date info about San Jose, leave a post for "Allen Eire". He seems to be the master of the SJ area.

blanknamecruiser

Randy2001

07-16-03, 20:59

Personal note: Greetings fellow mongers. Been lurking for longer than I would like to admit, always found good info on this site and decided that its time to give something back.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Last week went to Lee’s for the 1st time. I followed advice from LittleBigMan (6/22 - thanks) and had no problems. There were about 15 girls to choose from, all 8’s and 9’s, hard to go wrong. Selected Nora, 5”-5’, lt brown hair, 23(?), 110. Very nice, gfe, ½ and ½ w/ dt, not rushed. 50/120 Great time.

Randy

Malcom

07-17-03, 19:01

Has anyone been to the GF in the early afternoon? Better to wait (no one there?) or is it okay?

NY Jimmy

07-18-03, 12:41

Report from San Francisco.
I went to the Golden Flower on Wednesday (7/16). Upon entrance you will see at least 15 girls sitting in the lobby. All or at least 90% are 9-10, you can not go worng with anyone of them. Actually you may have difficulty deciding. The rates were as mentioned erailer 50 admission and extra 140 for all.
However, if you are shy and don't want to be seen entering or leaving, you may not like the location. It is in a major interection next to a resturant with table overlooking the street and entrance. But it's worthed.

Happy hunting

Member #1082

07-19-03, 14:38

Hey, lived in SF a while back before moving to switzerland and then Loondon for three years, then traveling all over south america for the last year. Posts to follow.

When I left SF there was a very active SW scene, but there is nothing now, or at least it seems that way. Have they all gone away?

Go to AMPs sometimes and do incall sometimes, but I also like the SW thing a lot becuase it is kind of a bit dirtier.

Any hints on where\when to look are appreciated. Used to be Capp between 16th and 19th was full...and don't get me started on the days when Geary / Jones / Tayloer were crowded with some nice girls.

Where did they all go?

Thanks. Best.

rkosonom

07-22-03, 01:34

I read an article in the newspaper about San Francisco having heterosexual sex clubs (kind of like the gay bath-houses). I am going to San Francisco in a week and will stay for a couple of weeks. I figure if that is true I might give it a try. Please let me know if these places exist and if the do, whether they are for couples-only or also allow single males.

I think it is too good to be true but I guess I do not lose anything by asking.

Thanks

Old Fat Guy

07-22-03, 02:44

Originally posted by rkosonom
I read an article in the newspaper about San Francisco having heterosexual sex clubs (kind of like the gay bath-houses). I am going to San Francisco in a week and will stay for a couple of weeks. I figure if that is true I might give it a try. Please let me know if these places exist and if the do, whether they are for couples-only or also allow single males.There are a few but they are mostly "swinger" oriented. There is one I know of that allows single males as well as single women, couples (and Lesbians and Gays). It is called "The Power Exchange" on Otis St. Check out their web site for admission fees and whether it's "couples night" or what ever. It's the most $$ for single males and the ratio of single men to single women is pretty much what you'd expect. Still, I know a few people who got lucky. Sex between consenting adults is legal so these places are completely legit since no money exchanges hands between participants. The admission "fee" is for use of the facilities.

Good luck

SF Area Man

07-22-03, 15:16

Back in the late 90s, I stumbled across this wealth of information that is worldsexguide.org (I think back then it had a different URL) and thus began my visits to a specific AMP here in the city. Based on the reports I read, I decided to go to Sophia's first. Well, it turned out to be the only AMP I would visit until this year. I enjoyed the service and after getting to know some of the girls I figured I would just stick with it. So I would visit it every 4+ months or so.

As the years passed, I had forgotten about this website until I stumbled across it again a couple of months ago. After reading some of the posts on this discussion forum, I decided to try the Golden Flower. Plus it was time for a change. Boy am I glad I did. The girls at that place are unbelievable. I've already been there a few times in less than two months!

Anyway, here are my thoughts as of late on these two AMPs.

Sophia's
========
Location: Sucks. Hard to find parking close by. Many bums hanging about, asking for money as one enters and leaves the establishment. I had my car damaged once while on a visit.

Girls: Various Asians and Latinas. They don't offer a line-up. One of the girls will meet you at the door and escort you to a room. However, you can ask to go to the back of the place where there's a living room with a big screen tv and see which girls are available and pick a different one.

Service: Depends on the girl, but all start off with a massage. After a while they'll ask if you want "more." If its your first time with one of the girls, they will try to rush the session. The attractive Asian girls would charge more and limit the amount of touching that goes on. I would avoid them. The less attractive Asian girls charge less and are more open to any kind of contact. The Latinas are decent looking (about 7's) and would charge the going rate. Plus they were less likely to rush you and you can expect a GFE from them. BTW, a cool thing at Sophia's is that all of the girls will wash you down during the bath, or shower, and then dry you off - a personalized touch not offered at the Golden Flower which I miss.

Golden Flower
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Location: Close by to the Moscone Center. Lots of activity going on all day and night. Plenty of parking close by.

Girls: As everyone else has stated, all 8 to 10s. They all seem to be Korean. In one of the posts I read it said that the girls stood up for the line-up, but when I've gone they've remained seated.

Service: All the girls seem to do the same routine. After you choose one from the lobby, they leave you in the room to shower by yourself. Once they return, they begin massaging you with their feet. That's right, they're standing on your back and legs while they rub you down with their feet (Advice: pick a petite girl). Eventually they will continue with a more traditional massage using their hands. After a while, they'll ask you if you want "something" else. You can negotiated an amount depending on what you want. So far, my experiences have been great. There's no rush, and the girls know how to treat one well.

SF Area Man

07-22-03, 15:46

Originally posted by rkosonom
I read an article in the newspaper about San Francisco having heterosexual sex clubs (kind of like the gay bath-houses). I am going to San Francisco in a week and will stay for a couple of weeks. I figure if that is true I might give it a try. Please let me know if these places exist and if the do, whether they are for couples-only or also allow single males.

I think it is too good to be true but I guess I do not lose anything by asking.

Thanks There are a few swingers clubs in the bay area, but they are open only to couples and single women. The Power Exchange is the only one where single males can enter as long as it isn't "couples night" or "lesbian night." Be sure to check out its website at www.powerexchange.com and read their FAQ page for detailed information and their discussion forum (click the "Feedback" link).

I stopped by a few months ago during a weeknight and not much was happening. From what I've read and been told, the time to go is when they have their Fetish Balls - which is once a month. Also, the PE is a hangout for transexual/transgender persons. So that nice looking woman you may see, may not be a woman after all.

Ice Breaker

07-24-03, 20:44

Hi all,

I just want to say thanks for the helpful posts. After reading reports of the AMPs and doing some fun exploration in my home town, I must say I'm under constant temptation. My office is only 3 blokcs from Golden Flower, 9 blocks from Lee's. I've been going to both and have wonderful results overall. You really can't go wrong, except for the ocassional, well known rushed service at Golden Flower. My first experience there was great-- out of about 20 girls to choose from I took a sweet young Japanese girl with a fabulous body, face and luscious lips, and to my surprise she let me kiss her flowery lips.

Lee's is marvelous also, although a bit too populer. I've experienced mostly Koreans, a few Vietnamese and Chinese. I can't wait to try Rainbow and King's. Anybody know the best palces to find more Japanese girls?

The only problem with living here--how will I avoid going broke? GF for lunch, GF after work, Lee's for dessert... The AMPs in San Francisco are one of the best things we have going! Hopefully our next mayor will keep this liberal atmosphere here. What if Gavin Newsom wins? I'm a bit nervious about him.

Cheers

itsmeinca

07-24-03, 23:16

I work just couple of blocks from Golden Flower and I have always wanted to try that, but little bit hesitant about its rates.

I have no probs in paying $50 at the gate and around $60 inside the room for HJ with light touching. I am not sure how the girls would react if I am not for FS and not giving any $.

Also I always wanted to try Caucasians which is really hard to find in the Bay Area. I don't know why we have only AMP. I would like to see a place where they specialize in Caucasian therapists.

I would really appreciate if anyone know of any place where they have Caucasian therapists. I am bored with AMP.

Dr.Monger

07-26-03, 01:30

Greetings from the east coast. I will be in San Fran soon, and I am interested in an outcall escort, preferrably from a young, thin blond, but multiple shots on goal are more important than other factors. Chest size unimportant. I will be staying at a nice hotel near the Moscone Center. Feel free to backchannel me: mdmonger[nospam]@hotmail.com. Thanks in advance. Remove the nospam to write me.

Dr. Monger

Fenriss Wolf

07-26-03, 01:59

I'll be visiting SF this coming week, and I thought I'd take in a few of the typical tourist places, as well as check out a few of the places mentioned on the board. Since I don't plan on spending much on the hobby, and I have no set schedule for doing any particular thing, (other than checking out The Power Exchange Thursday night, due to their schedule,) I intend to 'wing it' and mostly just ask for general tips about the local AMPs & any suggestions.
(I am not into SW's, as those seem just too risky when an AMP can be an almost sure thing in a relatively comfortable atmosphere.)

I intend to visit either Golden Flower, Paradise or Lee's. Based on what the board says about them, Lee's may be more finicky as to who they let in compared to the rest, but it seems worth it.
I have yet to hear any recommendations on the best hours to visit, however. Is it better to visit early in the day, or late in the evening? From previous experience in souther calif, early in the day might be a little calmer, and service is less rushed. (Although I've yet to see any significant complaints from these AMP's.) Also, some places have "early bird" specials, where the door fee is reduced before a certain hour. (before noon, generally.) The downside of this is that selection might be limited early in the day. Any similar observations from the locals?

As far as other places, I was thinking most of the non-AMP locales are worth checking out more for the sake of knowing about them, than for any potential action. from what I've heard, Power Exchange is hit-and-miss in that respect, unless you are familiar with the scene there. As for other places to visit, I was thinking of catching a show at O'farrell's Theater, and just looking around for other interesting places.

Any other suggestions for eye-candy and/or full service places to visit during the week?

ChiMan II

08-03-03, 12:08

San Francisco street seen is a prison sentence waiting to happen. Sf has one main block Sutter, Polk, Larkin that has both Transexuals and woman. Sometimes I see hot woman but the cops are constantly circling this block. Any suggestions? I have seen men go to jail just for talking to a street walker.

lou-S

08-04-03, 13:56

In town for Business and went to AMP on Lombard. I overpaid for extra but I was in shock to be greeted by asian girl with real DD+...saggy but asian with natural size has to be enjoyed. Not rushed...room not great...

Rice Lover

08-05-03, 12:43

Wanted to thank all for the great reviews, loved GF!! Exactly as descirbed.

Its the first time I have tried a parlor but can't imagine a better selection in any other place. I think I am going to get hooked now.

Really, I should have never gone to Singapore last May because that's where all this paying for it started. Way too many beautiful women, low cost, just incredible!

I really just wanted to tell someone else with apprecitiation for this knid of stuff that I am leaving tomorrow for a two month stay in Sing., too excited to hold it in. I don't think I will be saving much money though ;)

Member #1082

08-06-03, 21:28

Hey all,

The board is dead. I asked a question a while back regarding SWs in SF and no replies. Are SWs completely non-existant here? Do I have to drive to Oaktown? Used to be the Jones / Taylor / Geary area and the Mission / South Van Ness / 16-19th loop. Nothing now.

Did the girls all leave? AMPs are great, but want something other
than Asian sometimes. Are they all incall/outcall now?

What gives? A little info please?

Thanks.

JankyFreak

08-08-03, 13:26

Visited Lee's in SF Last week.

Man it was busy. I saw my usual provider there. There were a lot of new faces there. A lot of young Viet chicks with modified chests. I was surprised by the number of chicks there. Personally I think the Viet chicks are looking better than the Korean chicks.

My Thai providers are getting old and withered. Time to find some new ones... Next time I'm in SF I'll probably try the Viet chicks hopefully the service is good.

qxguy

08-08-03, 14:59

Rice Lover-

You are a doomed man. Singapore is great as you know. Two months on the little island and you will be a master of what's available.

Now you are dangerously close to Bangkok. A perfect long weekend getaway.

What a lucky guy.

qxguy

loserdude

08-08-03, 15:59

Hi guys,

I might help satisfy your curiosity towards Sunset Apartment amps. I bought Sing Tao newspaper several days ago, as I can read some Chinese, browsed to the classified section, and there they are, all chinese characters that I mostly don't understand. But that didnt mean I couldn't find it. It was there alright, I could smell it. So I turned to the very last page of the classified section (they're in small boxes), and there it was, I found it guys, it's so obvious. It's after the massage ads that's so big you can't miss em. Usually it's from Lee's Massage, Golden Flower Massage, and other massage parlors in downtown. Right after that, if you keep going down, that's where the sunset amps listed, it's even have San Jose, Oakland, and other small amps that's probably run from apts. How I know that? Well since the phone number is the only thing i can fully understand, I went to mapquest and entered the area code and the first three digit of the phone number, then mapquest showed me in map where that phone number's listed. It didn't work on some of the numbers because they're cellphones'.
I manage to call several numbers. One in San Jose, one in Sunset and One in Oakland. The first sentence that I said and prbably you should say to them after hello is "Do you sepak English?" Suprisingly, Most of them do!! One of the lady wo didn't but understood my saying ask another guy to speak to me. And he told me it's $50 plus "tips". I'm gonna check those places out soon and will be posting my FR.

If you guys need the number fo r those places, email me at loserdude889@yahoo.com.

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LittleBigMan

08-10-03, 21:58

lou-S,

Glad to here someone finally write something about MP, on Lombard Street. I was wondering for sometime if anyone had ever venture to this place since I have never seen anything written on this board. When you say you overpay, can you tell me what you paid? Like to have some amunition on hand when I have time to visit, like to know what to expect!

Thanks,
LBM

lou-S

08-12-03, 13:52

LBM

.6 at the door. another 1.4 for everything.

Chicago II

08-12-03, 23:07

Hi to all, I am new to this site.

I will have a chance to travel to SF the end of this month and will stay at the hotel close to the Union Square on Sutter St. Anyone kind enough, please let me know if there are any good actions going on around that area, and how far Golden Flower and Lee are from that area (if you guys can give me addresses of these MPs, I would really appreciate that)??

Thank you for your help.

Chicago

Lickin Lounger

08-13-03, 21:39

Got a FANTASTIC nude massage w/ HJ the other day Aya. She's about 19yo, 34B puffy nipples, very slim and attractive. Cost me $1.5 (I KNOW, pretty expensive for no FS) outcall, but her attitude was great -- spent over an hour with me TC, good conversation, etc. She was also very clear about services offered, compensation, etc -- didn't try and haggle for more money, etc. She advertises on the SF board at CL, just search for "asian" in "erotic services" and you'll prob find her ad. She posts about one or two a day. BTW, she doesn't take Saturday appts.

-LL54

Dr.Monger

08-16-03, 13:58

Just a warning...

Went to Market Street Cinema. Had a very unsatisfactory experience with a very hot dancer names Sophia. Proomised FS and did not deliver, although she did perform other services TC. She was the only rip-off girl there. Otherwise I had two very nice encounters with other dancers who delivered exactly as promised, and for reasonable prices.

Dr. Monger

Zzkenoman

08-19-03, 01:22

Just a note, went to my usual place on Broadway we called "2nd floor", a block from Centerfolds, between Montgomery & Kearny. There were very nice girls there +7, but they do size you up especially if your not Asian or no referal. Anyways, I visit quite alot when in the bay area, however when I went during daylight hours there was no FS & the normal massage was very disapointing even for the $50 up front from maddam. The "spa" girls are still attractive, but maybe working hours, during the evening will be more promising. Will report when back in town next month.

Ice Breaker

08-19-03, 17:18

I am lucky enough to work within a few blocks of Golden Flower and Lee's. I have been indulding often in this ongoing temptation and I am wondering what others have been donating lately? Anyone else familiar with these places lately? I feel the going rate to be a bit high. Or perhaps I give in too easily. How do rates at Rainbow and King's compare now?

Thanks in advance,
Ice Breaker

LittleBigMan

08-20-03, 14:10

zzkenoman,

Based on your statement, if you did not get FS, in this place, most likely they fell you were the cops! and the girl did not want to take a chance! Gave you a lousy massage so you would not come back!

If you go back, and you do get FS this time, try not to pay more than a Franklin in the room to the girl!

LBM

nibun

08-21-03, 03:25

Planning to hit GF pretty soon. Would $160 be a realistic price for FS here? I know GF tends to charge more than the other AMPs.

Also, I'm thinking of going during the day so it wouldn't be so busy, but I'm worried that the selection may be limited. Anyone know if it's a good idea to go during the day?

And for anyone who've been there recently, which girl would you recommend?

LittleBigMan

08-21-03, 14:32

nubun,

Since GF is down in the South of Market area and it's location is still very close to the Business district, Monday thru Friday during the day, IMHO the price is going to be much higher because they expect a different crowd. In the evening and the past $160.00
should not be a problem, but since they built two Hotels near GF
the girls have been getting more! If you go, give it a try!
No harm!
LBM

foofighter

08-24-03, 05:29

Nibun,

Most of the times I have been to GF it has been on the weekends but I have never paid over 150. That price is in addition to the entrance fee of 50. Some may say this is too much but I found a good provider who never haggled about price before the session and her performance was unbelievable so I paid her 150 after the session and she was happy with that. Every time I have seen her since the same holds true, not a mention of money before (except for the "massage fee" of 50) and a great session. I have seen one other girl there when my favorite wasn't there and she was also a great experience but she did expect to be paid before and since I feel that paying before can make the session less than inspiring I convinced her to get some before the session and the rest after as a sort of tip. She went for it and I was glad to hand over the entire 150 since she was amazing as well.

FF

Adventurous1

08-26-03, 04:46

Originally posted by Dr.Monger
Just a warning...

Went to Market Street Cinema. Had a very unsatisfactory experience with a very hot dancer names Sophia. Proomised FS and did not deliver, although she did perform other services TC. She was the only rip-off girl there. Otherwise I had two very nice encounters with other dancers who delivered exactly as promised, and for reasonable prices.

Dr. Monger

I doubt that she was the only ripoff (the local term here is "ROB") at the MSC. This place is definition of the word ROB. There are easily as many ROBS there as not and the quality is spotty at best. Management is aware of the problem and does little to discourage it. Your safety could also be an issue there and there have been quite a few incidents in recent years. There are many other clubs in the City that do a much better job and you will continue to get burned if you keep going...there is another site SF Redbook (myredbook.net) which gets into a lot of detail about the various strip clubs in this area......here is one report for 8/24/03 from one customer------

"damn, just when i think the place is bad rapped some drama erupts in the back near the playland. a pl gets into it with a black girl w/red highlights in her hair and a one piece leotard. they argue, she hits, not slaps him in the face and he retaliates by popping her and screaming i'll kill that ***** before security separates them and escorts him out. the girl all crowd the lobby as the scene calms down finally allowing me to slip out. "

There have been a lot of other violent episodes recorded in that place along with arguments about ripoffs....

Rice Lover

08-26-03, 06:37

Just thinking about all you guys running around to get some quality service in SF. I was just thinking how far that $200 goes Singapore being that I am in Singapore, a short 5 min. walk from the towers, its heaven! hundreds of beautiful clean looking women to choose from, girls come home and stay all night for 1bill.

I went to Indonesia over the weekend, despite the caution for a whitey-US citizen to go, but I had to $25US for FS all night and then I got two women to massage me like i have never been massaged before for $9US an hour.

Weekend in Thailand next, I forget I am here to work. ;)

I don't know if I will be able to frequent the SF clubs anymore, my standards/costs have been turned upside down.

RL

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Green Elephant

08-28-03, 13:12

Rice lover,

If you are looking on the lower end (and believe $200 is in Sanfrancisco Bay area, try this website:

www.frugaljohn.com.

Green Elephant

08-28-03, 13:24

Adventorous1,

That place has lots of rip-offs. The best thing to do is go to www.myredbook.net and join their premium. They have thousands of reviews on standard escorts, massage places and the MSC.

Member #1115

08-28-03, 22:42

Been to GF a few times. What a jewel this place is. If you like pretty asian girls, this is the place. The first time I went I couldn't believe my eyes. There must have been 20 girls, most of them 8+, just sitting there smiling at me :) The second time, there were only around 6 or 7. Must have been a busy day. The 3rd time there were between 10-15. Again, all pretty, all sizes as well, to suit your individual taste :)

I have had the satisfaction of 3 different girls there all for the same price. Usually FS for $180 which includes mamasan's fee. The best girl of the 3 I've experimented with was Julie. Nice girl, smoking body, great attitude and a perfect smile.

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Johnny Midnite

08-29-03, 16:31

Prices here used to be $120 not too long ago. Maybe jest for regulars. Had a slender K girl named Cindy. Said she was from NYC. Great rim job, made my testicles quiver. Great attitude and un-rushed performance. Wish I hit the lotto, there was lots of smokin bods there.

Have fun!

JM

Chicago II

08-29-03, 23:32

I asked about MP in San Fran couple weeks ago, but got no answers.

Anyway, I was in SF last Wed. and decided to try it anyway. After 3-4 hours of walking to explore around Union Square (I haven't been to SF before) I was so tired and decided to stop by Lee MP on Mission st. It was about 2:30 PM.

When I first walked in there the mamasan asked me to sign-in and pay $50 fee (she also asked if that was my first time here, I said yes because I din't know what to do at the time). She introduced me to a girl but I said let me sit down for awhile first (because I saw about 10 beautiful girls (8+) sat around in front, so I wanted to take my time and pick the right one). About 5 minutes later I pointed to one girl sat across from my table to ask if she would like to go with me. She took me upstair and tell me to take shower and she left the room for about 5 minutes. When she came back she wore different outfit than when I saw her downstair. She started massage my back for about 15-20 minutes (she known what she was doing and it was good). After the massage she told me to turn around and didn't ask any questions she undress herself (she didn't wear anything behind her dress). She jumped on top of me and started working all the way from my ears to my toe using her tonge. I was so suprise but also very excited. I didn't stop her to ask how much I would have to pay for this because I expect to pay about $160 as you guys always suggested. She gave me a BJ and then stayed on top of me for awhile, and I finished on top of her. After we all finished we just laid there talking and kissing each other. About 15 minutes later, I was ready to go again but she said that time was up. I looked at the big clock on the wall, realized that I was with her more than an hour.

She asked me to take shower and then came back later to help me dress. I asked her how much I support to give her. She said $100. Yes she said $100. I gave her $120 and left. I wanted to come back to see here again the next day but I have to leave early to LA so didn't have time to come back.

1 - her name is Hana (spell ??), very nice and attrative girl with modified breast (but nice)

2 - I don't know why you guys pay so much for FS ($160), if you keep doing that the price will go up very soon.

Will come back to Lee MP again next time I have a chance to be in SF.

JoeZ

08-30-03, 14:04

Thanks for the report, Chicago. In terms of price, I think the $160 going rate you referred to includes the $50 house fee. And if you're a regular, you can opt to pay all (room fee plus service charge and tip) after the service is done. So the amount you paid is about right.

LittleBigMan

08-30-03, 17:10

Chicago,

If my reading of your post is correct, you paid more than the $160.00!
When you walk-in you were quoted as paying $50.00 to the mamasan, another $120.00 to girl, that overalls $170.00.
Regulars usually don't pay anything up front, usually all to the girl!

LBM

Bat Wing

09-02-03, 21:12

Would anyone be able to tell me where the sw are usually located? I have traveled up and down hyde,and the streets that surround it but have yet to find a real lady. I have found numerous tv/ts sw but need to find real ladys. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Batty

Green Elephant

09-03-03, 15:50

BatWing,

Be very careful about picking up street walkers. SF Police are are extremely lenient about off street activities, but they actively put out police women as SWs in the Tenderloin and the Mission districts where you were talking about walking.

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Sky King

09-13-03, 16:48

In response to previous posters inquiring about the location of SWs in SF, the areas have expanded. In the Tenderloin (TL) it's further north than the actual TL. The box is bordered by Van Ness, California, Hyde (or even a little further), and O'Farrell. There is cheaper action south of O'Farrell but it can be dangerous down there and I don't mean LE. LE is everywhere. In the Mission it's Mission, 16th, Harrison (or even as far as Potrero), and 19th (or even 21st). Within these areas the girls are sometimes here, sometimes there, you just have to drive. Even though there are girls on Mission St it's a good street to get busted on and a good street to avoid. Also, to avoid a sting, drive two blocks after she gets in the car before any business is discussed. A decoy will not ride with you for two blocks. This does not help if LE sees a girl get into your car. To avoid that you just have to keep your eyes open and use your mirrors. I hope this helps.

Muggs

09-14-03, 18:46

Hey guys,

I'm coming for a short visit to SF. I don't really like looking for SW in an area i'm totally uncomfortable with. Would rather "inside action."

I like the hispanic and black chicks. Any places (Massage parlors, houses, sex clubs, etc) where i can get some inside action from these ethnic ladies. I hear all kinds of things go on in SF...that we southerners are not accustomed too.

I post in Jacksonville Fl, can give you info if you are ever headed that way.

The Specialist

09-15-03, 17:55

SF brothers...

I will be in SF sometime this week for a few nights...was wondering what was hot lately...

I know about most of the AMPs, and was wondering what reccomendations you guys have on girls...

I've beent to Kings, and have a GREAT time in the "shower room."

Was planning on going to the Golden Flower, and gettin one of them "import model" types. Any input would be much obliged..

I post in SoCal all parts of SoCal, so get at me when you need some 411

Asia Guy

09-17-03, 03:03

Has anyone seen the porn star Cumisha perform at the Market Street Cinema? Is it worth it? I heard she sometimes interacts with audience members during a performance. Any reviews would be appreciated.

AG

ChiMan II

09-19-03, 02:47

Folks went to Lee's last week. $50 for house $100 for girl excellent service was very happy. I didnot like the fact that almost all the girl had fake tits.

When to Golden flower 3 days ago. I went around three big mistage only about 4 girls to chose from. I did get a 7 though. Gave the girl $50 for the house and $110 for her. SHe said there must be a mistake and said I was $40 short. Said she would only give a hand job. I tried to take my money out of her hand and she pulled away. I told her this is what I always pay and nicley said I will just go to lee down the street she quickly agreed and I just saves $40 bucks. I was told that if you are whate you pay more here from a friend. I dont know.

People stop paying more than $100 for everything. Some of you are thinking you are being nice by giving the girl an extra $20 but you are hurting all of us. The girl will start to think she is charging too little and increase her rate . Also, Anyone that is paying girls $150 is a sucker because all girls can be nogotiated down.

Novio

09-19-03, 17:12

It's been a couple of years since I saw her act, but Cumisha is definitely audience participation. I saw her at the MSC and watched her fist herself anally. Amazing trick. Then I got called up on stage to hold the dildo while she rode it anally. (Only bad thing was that I didn't have a good view then.) In the smaller back stage, her performance there included lubing herself up with lotion and letting the stageside patrons rub her anywhere. I went to work with my hands on her clit and she said that she came -- who knows. Not the prettiest porn star, but definitely customer-service oriented. Also, word is that she entertained special requests at her nearby hotel room.

Spyderman

09-23-03, 22:41

I have been to Lee's many times. For better or worse, I always paid $50 at the desk + $120 to the girl. I tried a few times to pay $100, but an argument always ensued, and since I had always paid $120, I end up doing so again. One possibility is that the mama-san tells the girl something about me in Korean as we pass by. Overall, though, I think Lee's is the place to go in SF.

Once I tried Golden Flower. I picked the girl, we went into the room and she started talking money. I said $100, she said $120. I started to put my clothes back on and she didn't stop me. I walked out the door and drove to Lee's.

Sky King

09-26-03, 23:49

Re Novio's post: Cumisha is at the MSC at this moment. I'm not sure how many more days she'll be there.

Tarl

10-02-03, 02:25

Coming to SFO (I'm from Seattle) on business starting 10/6 thru 10/10, any good recommendations on SW's or AMP's? Do you guys have good strip joints that provide a little extra?

Tsboy69

10-02-03, 04:05

Tari,

Try reading the several pages of information.

Prokofiev

10-02-03, 10:55

For those interested in Cumisha, I wrote a long post dated Sept 20, 2002 in the Anal Connoisseurs section under Special Interests. It is absolutely true although I have heard that she has changed her show several times since then.

God Bless Cumisha . . .
Your Friend, -P

MondaysChilde

10-03-03, 02:01

Tarl - SWs? Don't.

If you have the bucks, go AMP or escort.

Les Korean Pink Snappers is always on the menu in S.F., highly recommended!

Sprokit69

10-04-03, 11:50

Hi all, Will be staying overnight October 17th near SF Airport waiting to catch a flight to Korea. Are their any AMPs in the area?
Reommendations, can take a cab, but want to stay fialry close to the airport.
Also, any recommendations on Filipina or Thai escorts?
Thanks

Goon

10-05-03, 20:39

I am visiting SF Oct 17th and have read about Lee's. 3 months ago, I could not find the Golden Flower. Can anyone help me find Lee's?

Its appreciated!

Asia Guy

10-08-03, 08:09

Thanks Prokofiev on your archive report on porn star Cumisha. Unbelievable.

I'd like to shake your hand. LOL

AG

Maltrufio

10-08-03, 12:00

Hey Sprokit,

Look at the massage ads at lovings.com. Several say they're close to SFO. Haven't tried any of them though so I can't recommend one.

The Specialist

10-11-03, 16:27

Goon,

The Golden Flower is off 2nd and Mission i believe. If it's not Mission, Im prolly off by a block. The easiest thing to do, is call them. They are in the phonebook, and you might even find them off yahoo maps, but they are listed. They are right off the intersection of 2nd and Mission, and have a small sign. They are located next door to like a little deli thing, and are in the city's financial district(south of market). Try www.ampjohn.com for the city's AMP listings.

The Specialist

LittleBigMan

10-11-03, 17:19

Goon,

Golden Flower is located in the South of Market Area! Second and Howard Street.
If you can find the Sheraton Hotel on the corner of New Montgomery and Market St., start at this point!
From New Montgomery go down Market St. to 2nd, make a right on corner ( Mens Warehouse ) go down two blocks ( south ) to Howard. Golden Flower is next to the small parking lot! next building is GF. downstair, when open is a small coffee stand.
Keep the price down, $160.00 FS, with massage included!

Good Luck,
LBM

Chagia

10-13-03, 18:46

I am new in this board. I lived in the bay area and been to most of the amp in SF. I heard a lot about table shower and really would like to give it a try. Anybody can give me an idea where exactly I can get one which is closest to sf. I heard in pinole or vallejo there were amp there that provide this table shower services. Can anybody out there provide me with exact infm.

Thanks.

Chef Dude

10-19-03, 09:52

About fifteen minutes passed and in walked in an outstanding Korean named Mimi. Great body, GFE.

50 entrance, 150 service, paid a little extra but well worth it.
Looks-10
Service-9
Value-9

NothingButtens

10-21-03, 00:01

Chefdude,

Which AMP was this at? I used to see Mimi (assuming its the same Korean) at the Sun Spa. I really enjoyed her. Tried to see her again a few months ago but mama san said long vacation. If you could point me n the right direction it would be great.

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Chef Dude

10-22-03, 20:08

Golden Flower:

Mimi is in her early 20's
Nice place
What a great body

ups

10-23-03, 20:22

Question for all of you in SF:

I live in the sunset and noticed that there is a new Chinese "ACUPUNCTURE" place in the neighborhood. Anyone have info on it? I noticed that it is open pretty late and the Asian women that often exit that place are pretty good looking.

Gun Runner

10-24-03, 16:25

I'm headed to SF in Dec for a business meeting for a couple of days.. I'm staying at the LC Palace at 2 New Montgomery Street. Can anyone suggest where to find some activity?

happywanderer

10-26-03, 00:00

Has anyone checked out the Empire lately?

AGL

10-30-03, 15:24

Happywanderer - Why do you ask? Something going on there special? Personally I'm a creature of habbit and tend to stick with GoldenFlower when I'm in town. But I am always looking for a nice small viet gal and I didn't see any of this variety the last two visits there.

-agl

ozikboy

11-10-03, 17:14

went to palm massage on corner (alomost ie 50 yards in) of valencia and Market

had a girl named Sophia. great body face about 61/2 to 7. gave great service with very good attitude. paid house 60 for 1 hour and paid her 1.5//// I guess I am a pussy when it comes to negotiating. she allowed DATY / gave decent cbj/ mish/ cowgirl/ doggy and back to mish for completion. kept telling me how handsome I was.. I suggested she take some of the $ I paid and get her eyes checked!

Lombardi II

11-10-03, 22:30

Hello Gentlemen:

I am new to the hobby (started about 2 months ago) and have been patronizing an escort who advertises in City Vibe. She provides incall service at a three-star motel in San Francisco's Marina district. Her normal rate for FS is $$1/2 for one hour, or $$ per for multiple hour sessions. This includes a massage, CBJ and CFS to completion. Second and third helpings are possible if one can rise to the occasion again within the
allotted time. No greek. I have never felt rushed and she has always offered me a shower AFTER our time is up, which often turns a 2 hour session into a 2 and a quarter hour session, with nary a complaint from her. She is very attractive and has a friendly, outgoing personality. Dunno about you guys, but personality is as important to me as
physical attractiveness.

Is this a fair price for what's being offered? I am aware of the fact that I can obtain similar services at an AMP for approximately $1/2, but from what I have heard this is a very impersonal experience, and I don't think that I would enjoy what I imagine to be a cat house like atmosphere (e.g. pick a girl from the line up and then proceed to a small room for a rush session). For just a bit more than the prevailing AMP rate I am afforded the luxury of a private room complete with amenities, and also good conversation between romps with an intelligent and articulate young woman.

My impression from reading the forums is that there is an inevitable "teeth cutting" phase that one must go through with the AMPs that can be quite hard on the wallet. Some members have referred to this as "paying one's dues." Personally, I would rather spend my hard earned cash on the main attraction, so to speak, than on an education in how not to get scammed. But since these places are so popular among forum members, I must be missing something?

Your input is appreciated.

Thanks in advance for helping a "newbie."

Orient Xpress

11-11-03, 14:15

Fellas of the Bay Area....

I'm a so-cal player heading up north for a over night business trip this thursday. Will be staying in the SF downtown area.

Please recommend a couple of places with average quote that will guarantee a good time. Please keep in mind that i won't have a car so preferably not too far.

I usually frequent the AMP scene around L.A. but also willing to try other flavors.

Help a brother out. Thanks.

OXpress

Chef Dude

11-11-03, 19:38

Try Golden Flower Look in Yellow pages) Located 2 blocks from convention center.
1.5 full service

NothingButtens

11-13-03, 21:56

On some advice from this board, I took a stroll over to Frisco last Friday night. I thought I would check out the golden flower. walked in about eight o clock or so only two girls waiting. took Gigi the cuter of the two. Never been in Golden Flower before and I must say it was quite different than I'm used to. After waiting for a room for about half an hour we finaly got one. Gigi is Korean and maybe early thirties,she gave a rushed massage and pretty bad F/s had to finish with ole Rosie all and all I'd have to say I was not too impressed. But as I've said before I really have to give a place at least two trys before I quit going there. Maybe I'll try another night during the week.

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ChiMan II

11-15-03, 02:17

Hey Team,

After 6 years in the bay I am finally out of here and I just want to pass on what I learned. Sf is too over priced. The massagepalor scene is dominated by Koreans. The two best places are Golden flower and Kings. Golden Flower has the most girls and all very nice. But it is over priced. Girls there will try to bleed you dry. If you are asian and you act like you been there before it is $50 for the house and $100 for the girl. If you are white the minimum you will pay is $120 for the girl but you have to be an experienced negotator. The girl will try to get anywhere from $150 to $200 out of you. You have to threaten to walk or say ok I just want a massage. It depends on what kind of sucker they think you are. Kings is cheaper the girl only gets $100. Palm Tree on Valencia is now charging $60 for the house. I will usually say I only can do $40 or $50 pretend to walk away and they let me in. The standard fee for the house is $50 dollars but I believe it will soon be raised to $60 everywhere. One thing that exploded in SF is the chinese accupressure places. Normally $30 for 30 minutes. I count about 25 of them now. No full service. But all of them do handjob. Standard tip is $40 but only bring $20 and you can get it for $20. Most of the time you can touch them but only the chest. The absolute best places to go in SF is the incall places. Now this is dominated by the chinese. Sometimes you can get lucky and get a really hot girl. Whatever the ask only pay $100 or you are getting taken. Be ready to walk. Not to many girl will turn down a quick hundred. I suggest everyone experience Los Angeles. Standard is $40 for the house and $60 to $80 for fs. If you pay more you are paying to much.

Hong Kong Boy

11-21-03, 02:15

Hi,

Can anyone tell me if the AMP will be open on thanksgiving day.

Thank you

Joey D

11-21-03, 23:22

Hong Kong Boy,

Do Koreans or chinese celebrate Thanksgiving?

Answer : no

Yes the AMPS are open on the Thanksgiving.

Three X

11-22-03, 01:44

I had a girl on Chrismas a few years back.

Novio

11-22-03, 14:35

Topless joint can't give money away
4 S.F. nonprofits refuse $4,330 donation from a North Beach strip club
Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, November 22, 2003
©2003 San Francisco Chronicle | Feedback

URL: sfgate.com/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/11/22/MNGV838Q011.DTL

Mike Gasperec just learned the hard way that supposedly hang-up-free San Francisco and the Bible Belt have one thing in common: They're tough places to give away a strip club's money.

Four nonprofit organizations representing San Francisco's homeless, poor and cancer-stricken turned down a $4,330 gift from Gasperec's Penthouse Grille and Broadway Showgirls Cabaret topless club in North Beach over the past several weeks, saying they have reputations to protect.

Gasperec, the club's general manager, was surprised how hard it is to find someone to take the proceeds from a $195-per-person golf tournament the club had sponsored -- particularly in a town where the S&M-themed Folsom Street Fair is nearly a civic holiday.

"I don't know what's wrong. I have a good life, and we're just trying to give a little something back," said Gasperec, a husband and father of a young daughter. He felt the same charitable rejection when he worked at strip clubs in South Carolina and Florida. "Our money is green."

It wasn't the color of the cash that spooked organizations, it was the specter of flesh. Even though California's budget deficits and shrinking foundation portfolios are forcing nonprofits to scrounge harder for cash, some preferred to refuse the free money and avoid any potential hassle.

"Unfortunately, we had to decline," said Julie Homan of the Breast Cancer Fund. "They were really nice and everything, but we didn't want to be associated with a gentlemen's club. We have 70,000 members, and we didn't want to offend anyone."

Raphael House, which provides shelter and after-care for homeless families, declined because, as a "clean-and-sober facility," it didn't want its name associated with an event where alcohol was served. "It was a very hard choice," said Development Director Jo-Ellen Peterson. "But we have a really good reputation in San Francisco, so we have to be very careful."

The Tenderloin Neighborhood Development Corp., which owns and manages 21 buildings in one of the city's most downtrodden neighborhoods, also said no, thanks.

'A reputation to keep up'

The group declined "because of the nature of the (gentlemen's club) business," spokesman Terry Sellards said. "Some people had a problem with that,

because they feel that (the adult entertainment) business exploits women.

"We've got a reputation to keep up," Sellards said.

The Hamilton Family Center, which provides emergency services and shelter to 350 homeless families every night in San Francisco, turned down the cash because "it didn't quite mix well with what we do here," said Executive Director Salvador Menjivar. "We have a lot of children here."

Even the Novato golf club that originally agreed to host the tournament backed out. The strip club finally held the fund-raiser Oct. 12 at an Oakland public golf course.

Fielding all that rejection "makes you feel like a schmuck," said Joe Carouba, president of BSC Management, which runs 12 strip clubs in San Francisco, including Broadway Showgirls.

Many dancers are mothers

About 40 percent of the 700 dancers at BSC clubs are mothers, and many of those mothers are raising families on their own, Carouba said. So he and Gasperec said they wanted to contribute to an organization that helps women and children in need.

But being spurned by charities, it turns out, is common in the stripping business.

From a Miami cancer center that refused to take proceeds from a stripper- led car wash in 1997, to a Wisconsin children's theater refusing cash from the fully clothed Hooters chain last year, history is full of organizations that have left money on the table.

Last week, three Southern California exotic-dance clubs were told that the Red Cross wouldn't accept their $5,484 pledge for victims of last month's wildfires. The Salvation Army took it instead.

And strip-club officials say the San Francisco firefighters' annual toy drive was initially a bit leery about publicly acknowledging that the city's least-clothed dancers donated $10,000 to its campaign last year -- and have done so for at least five years.

The donations come from lap dances in the clubs, where performers donate money every holiday season to the 54-year-old toy drive. Once or twice a night,

the DJ announces that some of the proceeds from the next dance will go toward a good cause and that patrons should dig into their pockets.

"The nice thing about our program is, the money comes in from all kinds of sources," said Dennis Kruger, a board member for the firefighters' toy drive. "Then we buy the toys and tell the kids it's from Santa.

"Regardless of what some people think of what people do for a living, the important thing is that all this money goes for the kids," Kruger said.

The upside of stripper rejection is that when one organization declines a gentlemen's club offer, the door of opportunity offers for others to claim the loot.

LookR

11-22-03, 19:12

Good article, Novio!

Yep, sounds about right for SF. Being born & raised there myself, I would swear that Baghdad-By-The-Bay has morphed into the Mecca of the Politically Correct.

I now live in Middle America. I've come to realize that the Midwest is (amazingly) more tolerant than SF could ever hope to revert to. The trick is to overlook the omnipresent hicks out here and stay grounded in larger cities. :)

Strange for a native of SF to say that kind of thing about their own hometown, but then again, SF today is clearly and sadly not the place I once knew.

-- lookr

pussylover123

11-26-03, 13:53

Hey Chiman II,
I completely agree with you that SF is too over priced and by the way , their service are not too good.
I am live in California right now but I was from singapore and over there, I just had to pay sing $120 (U.S $70) for FS and I will get premium Escort girls. Some of them are even prettier than actress and models. BBBJ, French, TM ... you name it, you will get it.They are like your slave. But not all of them offer anal and BBFS. By the way, they must have license for this job and get monthly medical check-up. So, most of them are pretty clean.
Besides, they never in a rush and you could even finish 2 times if you can and if you want.
Geeeee..., i miss singapore, man!

Pussylover

Hey Team,

After 6 years in the bay I am finally out of here and I just want to pass on what I learned. Sf is too over priced. The massagepalor scene is dominated by Koreans. The two best places are Golden flower and Kings. Golden Flower has the most girls and all very nice. But it is over priced. Girls there will try to bleed you dry. If you are asian and you act like you been there before it is $50 for the house and $100 for the girl. If you are white the minimum you will pay is $120 for the girl but you have to be an experienced negotator. The girl will try to get anywhere from $150 to $200 out of you. You have to threaten to walk or say ok I just want a massage. It depends on what kind of sucker they think you are. Kings is cheaper the girl only gets $100. Palm Tree on Valencia is now charging $60 for the house. I will usually say I only can do $40 or $50 pretend to walk away and they let me in. The standard fee for the house is $50 dollars but I believe it will soon be raised to $60 everywhere. One thing that exploded in SF is the chinese accupressure places. Normally $30 for 30 minutes. I count about 25 of them now. No full service. But all of them do handjob. Standard tip is $40 but only bring $20 and you can get it for $20. Most of the time you can touch them but only the chest. The absolute best places to go in SF is the incall places. Now this is dominated by the chinese. Sometimes you can get lucky and get a really hot girl. Whatever the ask only pay $100 or you are getting taken. Be ready to walk. Not to many girl will turn down a quick hundred. I suggest everyone experience Los Angeles. Standard is $40 for the house and $60 to $80 for fs. If you pay more you are paying to much.

Hong Kong Boy

11-28-03, 23:35

Hello,

I was in SF on Thanksgiving day and went to Golden Flower. There was alot of beatiful ladys very hard to pick just one. Went with Bebe massage was just O.k. FS was pretty good, but only spent about 40 mins in the room. cast abot $200 total

ChiMan II

12-02-03, 01:49

Hong Kong Boy,

You paid $30 more than the standard at Golden Flower. The house is $50 and the girl is $120. I was told if you are korean it is $100 for the girl. The same owner that owns GF owns Lee's massage. Alot of times they try that $150 garbage and I just tell the girl I will leave and go too Lee's for $100. They will not turn down the $120. I like the selection at GF but the prices are ridiculous. Some girls there will try to get over $150. In 90% of the AMP in SF the standard for the girl is $100.

Amp Mule

12-08-03, 17:18

Hey there,

Did the typical tourist visit to msc and had a dissapointing time. Got there on a Friday around 10:00 p.m. and was fairly impressed with the amount of girls available at first. After my eyes got adjusted to the lite I was suprised to see alot of well fed girls waddling around hitting up the guys to go into the back. After turning down one very large samoan girl I was dragged into the back by "jennifer" c/f/22/bln/5-2/115 rate 6 on looks. Anyhow she took me on a long tour of the back until we ended up in the far right back where she proceeded to do her stuff, just as I was getting into it another girl steps in and asks if she can join in too.

Before I could make up my mind she got undressed and pushed her big knockers in my face and said she woulnd't take no for an answer, boy was she fast ! Well long story short I did both of em in the booth every which way except greek, they wanted a c-note apiece extra for that pleasure and frankly I can take it or leave it. After all was said and done I realized I let my little head do the talking and gave the girls waaay to much ... about 5 apiece for fs from both with full release with each. As we were walking out both girls started giving me the line to come back and they would give me extras, yeah right, I just got what I wanted and had enough of their company when lo and behold they start offering to do outcall for me outside msc and ask for a phone #. I tell em I'm not a local boy but from down l.a. way and much to my suprise they claim to be also and would like to do me again but with a little s&m action. Gave them my pager number and said "maybe" just to get them off my back and left them giggling that I wouldn't regret our next visit. As I was walking out another pair of girls grabs me and trys to take me in the back again! One of them was called "chili" I think but when I told her that I just got done she got dissapointed because she wanted me fresh and hard and told me to come back soon and look her up for a great time. I wish we would have hooked up first as she and her partner were better looking than the first pair by far.

Is this tag team thing new at msc? Or was I just a easy looking mark that nite? Been to msc 4 times now and am used to the hustle but this seemed different.

Ampmule

Skittles

12-09-03, 03:46

Hey guys,

I was in S.F. about a month ago and the street scene was looking pretty bad. Are the LE still stopping the fun out there? I want to make it back out that way, but I'd hate to waste a trip. I'd appreciate the update.

Dutch Treat

12-10-03, 15:56

Ampmule

In your MSC experience, you indicated you paid "5 apiece"..... did you mean Jacksons or Franklins? Are all the girls there now "well-fed"? Just asking as I will be in town and wanted to check it out if reasonable, as in would you do it again or save your $'s for the GF, Kings, or OFarrell?

ChiMan II

12-10-03, 20:37

Ampmule,

What you experienced with 2 girls is nothing new. I considered myself very experienced when it comes to dealing with working girls. But the last time I went to MSC I kinda got hustled. I intended to only pay $40 but left spending $160. I messed with 3 girls. One tagteam totally hustled me in a way I have never been husted before. They were the best hustlers I have ever experienced in my life. I only gt CBJ from all three. Two grabbed me as soon as I walked in. They offer free lap dances. You find out later it is $10 to go in back then $20 for the booth. My free lap dance already cost me $30. You get the idea. Most of the girls there are so filthy I would not even want FS.

Zzkenoman

12-11-03, 00:36

I wanted to know if anyone has tried Mitchell bro? I remember about 2 yrs ago, the nickle rooms provide fs and hj for $$$, but when i visited, I had a girl rated about an 8, who gladly served me, but you were limited to the timers. I'll be in sf this month so any feedback would be helpful. Also, there have been many comments about the msc, I must of missed the opportunities you guys have had, it may be near the business district but it is one hell of a place to walk in the evening, so keep that in mind.

Keep safe!

Amp Mule

12-11-03, 22:27

To follow up on my msc trip I paid 500.00 apeice to each girl and got to get cbj/ fs with both over a period of about 45 minutes. This price included the room rental, and condo purchase. Like I posted earlier my little head did the talking, just recently filed divorce, so I guess the excitement of being free and single again really clouded my judgement. Looking back at the whole expierience now I agree with chiman that the place is damn dirty and the girls have really dropped in quality and attitude. My next visit I'm going to go to mbot, the price is about the same but the surroundings are much cleaner. If you want nasty Duth go to msc, otherwise go to mbot or kings but I've never been there so let's see apost on the place!

Ampmule

Gun Runner

12-12-03, 08:13

I'm in SF for a business trip until Monday Afternoon. Any suggestions on where to go to get a little action? I see people posting MBOT and GF, any pros or cons about either place? Any SW in the area of downtown?

Dutch Treat

12-12-03, 10:46

Ampmule

Wow, to think what you dropped at the MSC could have given you at least 5-7 pops at Kings or GF. I'll be in town next week, so I'll give you my updated take on these places in comparison to the AMP standards of the Downtown in DC and Heaven in Philly.

PtooCool

12-12-03, 13:54

Is the place where you see strippers with quarters through the windows still exist? it used to be close to Broadway.

CaribbeanGringo

12-13-03, 15:16

Went to Mitchell Brothers last month--

$40 cover
$1-$2 tips to girls from front row for shows
Took one girl back to a "cabana" and just conversed and felt her up for a couple songs--paid $20
I think everything in the private rooms is negotiable, but expect $$$
I think best bet would be to try to pull one out after they get off work as they are definitely quality girls there!!

Sorry all, not familiar with SF, where is the MSC? Anyone familiar with Power Sex Exchange (I think thats the name--supposedly a swinger kind of place)?

Best all,

CG

Dutch Treat

12-13-03, 19:46

In from DC via Philly and decided to check out the local talent. The SF board has been as dead as a doornail, so I hope my tour of the town livens things up. Having done the GF before, and hearing that it is now overpriced, decided to check out the nearby Kings, following a long flight. Thought a visit would help get the “kinks” out. As is typical of SF amps you have the silly sign in and only get a standard shower (no table shower), but you get those great line-ups. Eight providers present, scaled 4-8, and a bit on the older side (late 20’s to late 30’s). Not as hot as I’ve seen at the Downtown in DC, but better than many. Picked Laura, 30ish, 6 face, but 8-9 body. In country only 8 months up from her relatives in LA (and thus only fair, at best English). Details: 5’6”, 120 lbs, long waist length hair, tight ass, and lovely natural C-D cups with 3” areola. After drying me off after the shower, got a very good massage – definitely in the top 10% of AMP massages. Then the fun part – Laura hot oiled my back and proceeded to give me a vigorous mammary massage paying particular attention to my ass. That’ll get the juices flowing! After toweling off the oil, proceeded with toe suck with tongue up the legs for light Asian. The flip, and then a decent (but not spectacular) CBJ (at that point), with a break for some deeper teabag sucking and deeper Asian. Nice. Requested to see her love box, and got a somewhat overtrimmed (for my taste) box with nice dark lips and small clit. Proceeded to DATY and this really got her going – she returned to the CBJ with now major suckage. She really got into the DATY, and our little 69 session went on for at least 5 minutes.. Very nice tight ass. With these preliminaries over started with cowgirl and some major DFK – actually the best DFK I’ve ever gotten in an AMP (I think it was a combination of her enthusiasm plus a set of nice lips). Got some major pelvic grindage with all variations of Kugel contractions, and then flipped to missionary (lovely firm breasts….) with a transition in the “X” position, then raised and lowered doggie, followed by the finale in missionary. Yes, this ranked as a PSE. My manhood was banging away so hard, that on the deep pushes it pumped onto her cervix – which is something I really love and always generates an explosion of manjuice. Semi-decent GFE at the end, and she really didn’t want me to pull out, allowing me more DFK and nipple sampling. Promised me a longer experience with more “fun” if I came back. I’d love to see what other tricks she has (that breast massage was really good….). A very solid expense at the standard cost previously posted on this board, that, beats Philly and ranks up with the best DC has to offer. Only saw two other mongers there so not too busy in the afternoon. May have to take Laura up on the repeat, but also want to sample other institutions such as Lees and Rainbow, so I’ll keep you all posted on my progress.

Amp Mule

12-14-03, 20:01

Dutch,

Yea I know I got taken like a newbie at msc but never again! At least I got two pops out of it. Thank God I don't live close enough to SF. to go back and make another dumbass mistake like that.

ampmule

Dutch Treat

12-14-03, 22:00

SF Day #2

Review of the Rainbow AMP

Short review: There’s no pot-`o-gold at the end of the Rainbow….

Long review: After visiting King’s yesterday, decided to check out the Rainbow today in the afternoon. Was greeted by a tired looking male manager (?Daddy-san) and a “line-up” that consisted of two providers standing, and three cuddled on a couch trying to sleep by a TV (all Korean, like Kings). This coupled with the appreciably more decrepit surroundings should have been a warning, but the girls were younger (mid-late 20’s) and marginally cuter (5 to 8.5 at Rainbow) than those at Kings, and this kept me from leaving. The place seemed busier than Kings. The manager pointed to the cutest and asked “Will she do?”. I said yes, and off I went with Nicole. 8 face, 8 body. Tall and slender (5’7” and 115-120 lbs) with smallish B cups, 1” light brown areola with nice ½” nipples and a great, rock-hard ass and killer legs. Showered in room alone, and enjoyed the paper thin walls listening to all you other mongers moaning you heads off. Not being a screamer myself, I’m always amused by the things people groan out while in the act. Started off on a good note with a very solid hot oil massage to both back and then front, but no Asian, just stroking foreplay. Given the go-ahead to proceed with the festivities, Nicole proceeded to give a mediocre CBJ for no more than 2 minutes before she wanted to hop on my man-hood. I indicated that I wanted some DATY, so we flipped into 69 and found a small box-entrance with tight bush, light brown thin lips and tiny clit. My DATY skill did not do anything more for her, and she then hopped on my rod in reverse cow-girl. Followed by a rotation-in-place proceeded to standard cowgirl and then missionary – couldn’t resist and got my finger lubed with her juices and started fingering her brown-eye – want to fully penetrate, but was stopped by her telling me “it tickled”. She seemed disinterested in it all, and gave a few tepid kisses, but no DFK. Then went into raised and flattened doggie at which point she asked me “Honey are you going to come soon?”. I really hate this, so I flipped her back into missionary and started (for all of you out there who hate bad attitude in a provider too) to sledge-hammer fuck her. I mean I was really pounding away at her, and no joke, my pubic bone now is really sore. Usually such pounding brings by rod into contact with cervix, but Nicole has a long love box so no luck there. Still, I was able to give her a serving of love juice. No GFE afterward, but a did get an abbreviated and decent massage. What really irritated me afterwards was that she was unhappy with the standard tip, and basically demanded a Jackson more. I caved as I didn’t want a scene and at this point more or less wanted to get out of there. Summary: Good massage with a hard-body, but bad attitude and service. Give me an older, experienced, enthusiastic provider any day!

Zzkenoman

12-15-03, 01:23

If you go back to Mitchell Cgringo, let me know if Alex (stage name) still works there. She is a beautiful 5'10" blonde that I've got to know for quite a long time, and had a good time when she was between work. I know that 90% of the girls work extra jobs, and switch between centerfolds, and Golds, but getting trusted is very hard to do unless you are regular, and when your "in" the circle they will always provide girlfriend referals if they are not available.

Keep safe

ChiMan II

12-16-03, 02:59

Dutch Treat,

Rainbow some times has nice girls usually from Vietnam. Sometime it has hags. What makes this place stand out is they dont even try to act legit. You get a 1 minute light touch on your back. They then go staight to a 15 second light touch to your balls then ask you to turn over. They do a 10 second light touch to your front including your dick then ask what you want. You gave the girl $100 and she was not happy.That is tough for her. You will never see her again. You pussied out and gave her another $20 out of your hard earned money. You just make it harder for all of the rest of us to get away with only paying $100.Your first mistake was bringing more than what you want to tip. If you show her that's all you have then she can say nothing. No working girl would ever want to make a scene. Who will she run to the police? The standard in SF used to be $100 but now it is moving to $120. I can see it moving to $150 in about a year and a half. Even then the girls will start to ask for $200. What I don't like is these old hags that think they deserve the same amount a 22 year old gets. Seven years ago th house fee used to be $40 now it is $50 and alot of places are starting to ask $60 like Palm Tree. Let's keep these prices down. FS in LA is $60 to $80 at AMP. Think about it.

Maltrufio

12-16-03, 12:32

Ptoocool,
The place with the quarters is Lusty Lady and last time I checked, it was still open. Its also the only unionized jack-shack in SF. I've tried it a couple of times, but standing there beating off while she watches from the other side of the glass just doesn't do it for me. I always asked the girl if she could "lend a hand" at least, and always got shot down. There are better deals out there. If you're in to beating off, try Nob Hill Lingerie. Its alot cleaner, you get to sit in a recliner, theres no glass, the girl dances right in front of you, and most of them will help you beat it. Good luck.

Maltrufio

12-16-03, 12:44

C-Gringo,

MSC is on Market between 6th & 7th, with a big theatre marquee, you can't miss it. MSC is much cheaper than M-Bros and I've had much better luck getting phone numbers at MSC. The M-Bro girls think they're out of Playboy, somewhat bitchy and way too expensive. The girls at MSC on the other hand know they're skanks and are comfortable with their status. I've never paid more than $80 at MSC and have gotten BBBJ, CBJ, BBHJ, BB titty-fuck, and sex. You just have to be willing to say no and have the ability to negotiate. You also have to be patient to weed through the uglies to find the diamond in the rough. However, it is $20 to get in the door and an additional $10 to get back to the private rooms.

As for the Power Exchange, it is still operating and its much more than a swingers club. If you're in to latex, domination, spanking, and homosexual group sex, you'll love it. It scares me, so I don't go.

CaribbeanGringo

12-16-03, 22:29

Maltrufio...

thanks...you may have saved my ass (pun intended)!!

MrTallOne

12-17-03, 01:21

Caribbean Gringo...

Power Exchange is a sex club, upstairs is gay and downstairs is straight. It is like most swingers places in the sense that there are many desperate single males present.

The male-female ratio means that you must not actually think you are going to get laid in there.

Also the place is crawling with transsexuals, pre and post-op. The novelty gets old fast and for me are a huge nuisance.

I suspect some of the S+M stuff is either staged by people who get cash from the club, or simply S+M proividers who have their clients meet them at the club. So much of it is fake.

Occasionally they get some freaky girl or couple where all comers are welcome, but that is not the usual case.

It is a freak show and very strange. If your goal is to have sex with a female, I'd suggest somewhere else.

Imagine one or two couples and fifty guys following them around.
Few things are more pathetic than sad faced, loser guys in towels.

If you have a taste for the bizarre and go with the expectation that you will absolutely not get laid, then I suppose you will not be disappointed.

To be fair, there are some nights when it gets somewhat interesting. But the normal situation is not so great.

Dutch Treat

12-17-03, 17:39

SF Board Members and the Chiman

I thought I was doing this board a favor by posting more info than it has seen in over 6 months. Instead I get a heavy-handed lecture from Chiman II regarding my financial "responsibilities" to the board. No wonder there are so few posts here! Given this, I'll refrain from putting up my review of two other AMPS, which were very interesting.

Sorry all - send your regrets to the Chiman.

ChiMan II

12-19-03, 06:55

Went to Lee's yesterday. Had a wonderful experience with a Thai girl. She was 26 and very tight. She had fake tits but by looking at them you couldn't tell. She gave me a nice massage. I turned over and got cbj.She had the condom in her mouth .I didn't even think she put one on. I was really impressed with her ball licking performance. $50 for the house and $100 for the girl. If you like fake tits you will love Lee's. I think nine out of 10 girls have them. Lee's has a beautiful selection. Did you know that the owner of Goldflower also owns Lee's and they constantly swap girls. With GF you definetly get a bigger selection but you may have to pay an extra $50 for it. I don't know about you but everything is going up in this city but my paycheck.LOL

Maltrufio

12-19-03, 15:19

Come on Dutch, don't let one guy disuade you from helping out the rest of your more humble brothers. Please post your experiences. thanks

Doc Tiburon

12-20-03, 16:16

I always have luck picking up a SW at the corner of Ellis and Hyde. The quality varies, but usually "good enough", and during the afternoon, I usually get half and half for 20 bucks (less if you agree to car date).

One warning, if you pick up a saucy brunette named Kimberly, she will agree to greek for 40, but then change her mind after you pay. I got my money back, but it pissed me off!

I would appreciate any contact info/numbers of reasonable priced Asian SWs.

Thanks gentlemen, and have a great holiday season.

Doc

The Specialist

12-20-03, 19:49

Anyone got some good information on a GFE style escort, at an affordable price who does outcall? PM me...I got info to trade.

ChiMan II

12-22-03, 07:27

Anyone have any info on Waterfront Massage? Their website looks very interesting. Prices start at $160 but what to you get for that? Probally a nude HJ.

Member #1121

12-22-03, 18:21

I visited mbot Dec. 20th. Here are my expriences:

I went here after a long time. The first bad news was they stopped the lesbian show in the theatre. That used to be hot. The guy at the counter told me they were not very profitable so they discontinued it. This place was almost empty at around 6 pm. Picked up a bit by 9 pm or so but still not much happening. Is it the economy or is this club loosing its appeal?

The shows:
Green door: The shows were good Mia was the most enthusiastic performer, always smiling. But the show had about 4-5 customers on an average. nobody on the tables and no one indulged in table dances.

Kopenhagen: Deja and Annete were the performers. Nice dancers. Deja said she was from vegas (works in a casino and is a not pro) and was returning back to vegas on sunday . She is tall, blonde and has a decent figure. took a LD from both of them during the show.

Again the girls themselves were a bit surprised to see only 5 people in the show!
Deja was pretty good, since the girls were completely nude I enjoyed the dance even more:) She slapped my face with her breasts and for just a $1 tip let me fondle her breasts which otherwise would have cost me an extra $20.

Annete gave a good performance as well, but pretty businesslike.

Took a LD with Lana. Nice friendly girl and the dance was decent, nothing extraordinary. She wants you to pay the money before the dance.

Connie: Took a dance with her in the theatre with a porn movie playing in the background. Half the time she was grabbing my dick and in general i would say her dance was not a real dance.

Whatever she did though was good. she stood there, wearing a white top with no bra and then rubbed her breasts all over my face and as mentioned before played dick grabbing.

A different kind of experience but good nonetheless.

Tracy: The short girl who danced on stage with Trina Banks. She was nice to talk to and friendly. has a nice body and gave a nice sensual dance.

The highlight was Trina. She was excellent on stage and she has a great face. She came up to me after the stage show asking for company. I asked her to give me a normal LD before going to the private room.

Her response was "it's too busy in there, come back to me if you want to go for a private show $100".

She point blank refused an LD and walked away. She was roaming around bottomless and wearing a bluish denim jacket on top. She has a nice hairy pussy, but her attitude was just difficult to understand.

I observed her for a while and she went into the private room twice with 2 different guys but they both came out without doing anything. One of the guys actually came out and has a normal LD with her. I dont know how much she charged him but it confused me as she refused the same to me and 2 other guys but went ahead with this other guy.
A girl with a real cute face, great stage dancer but a little more friendly attitude could probably make a lot more bucks.

Shannon: a friendly girl, who will come and approach you and not push you too much.

Jennifer: gave an incredible LD to my buddy and he has fallen in love with her. He told me she was really enthusiastic and gave it a 100%.

Overall impression: The club seemed pretty dead as compared to before.
That coupled with the fact that I have recently visited the rio and german fkk scene, made the evening an ok one as now one tends to compare and in my view the german fkk scene remains unbeatable.

Zero

12-28-03, 23:54

Hi guys,
Will travel to SF from Spore soon.
I have reading this thread for info but One thing that I notice,
all report seems to be around AMP.
I know that the girls must be beautiful.
But I need your help guys.
Can you tell me where can I get local girls taste.
Since I am traveling A lot in asia, no point for me to go to AMP
It's like I am eating chinese at home and go out for dinner in chinese restaurant.
Any lead? thank you.
Cheers!

JoeZ

12-30-03, 01:12

Zero,

If white and black girls are what you're looking for, read Member#1121's report below. MBOT is known for the high quality of its dancers and almost everything goes there. But be ready to burn your $$. A less expensive alternative would be independant escorts. You can find plenty of advertisement on erosguide, ******** webs. The most economical choice is street hunting --- if you know the area well enough. MSC is pretty cheap too. The downside is gals are mostly big and ugly, IMHO.

Have fun in SF!

JZ

JoeZ

12-30-03, 01:16

Hey guys, I just found an interesting thing. I was about to post the name of a website "city vibe" but somehow this forum system automatically filters it and changes to a string of *. WHY? competition?? or trademark infringement??? I thought WSG is a non-profit organization:)

Zero

12-30-03, 06:12

Thanks JoeZ,
But what is MBOT? sorry my ignorant.
How much monney do we talkingt to burn for one girl, in average.
Can you PM and tell me more about the "city vive" web? thanks a lot

Zero

12-30-03, 06:45

JoeZ,
I already cheched the "City Vibe" web and it is great.
Do you know how much would this girl be?
Thanks

Maltrufio

12-30-03, 13:23

Zero,

My experience with city vibe, erosguide, and lovings.com are that the prices start at $250/hour and go up to $600/hr for SF providers. Average is probably $300-350. MBOT (Mitchel Brothers O'Farrel Theatre) will cost about the average above but you'll get stuck in a cramped booth.

Your best bet for non-asian, in my opinion, is to grab the yellow pages, call some MPs and ask if there are any latina or black providers working that night. A few years ago I used to see my favorite latin girl at Sophias on Geary. Her name was Romi and unfortunately, she's long gone.

JoeZ

12-31-03, 01:12

I'll second Maltrufio's comments below, except my personal experience at MBOT was on the high end (200~300 for CBJ and 500~700 for FS). But it's all negotiable between you and the gal. Have fun!

Zzkenoman

12-31-03, 22:32

Guys Guys!, your figures are almost out of reach for most of the readers here, do you have that deep of pockets? I suggest if you want to have an above average time, go over to the holiday Inn in china town. You'll find a line of limos that cater to the chinese, but the drivers are well diverse in helping you find what you need. Use them for an hour tour, and ask them for the "2nd floor" places. These places are AMP, open only to the asians and can only be entered by your drivers recommendation. He'll bring you to a couple places, converse in chinese and walk you in and pick you up. There are much more places not listed here, that they go personally, and you'll be surprised at how many girls work in these little places downtown. Don't spend 6 bills, you can enjoy yourself with a couple bills, pocket the rest for two more nights of fun.

Be safe

JoeZ

01-02-04, 02:01

zzkenoman,

First off, I don't have a pocket as deep as it may seem. Like I said 6 posts ago, MBOT is considered "luxury" on my book. I only visit it a few times a year. Places I frequent most are store-front AMPs and AAMPs and I've never paid more than two bills in those places. So don't count me out bro. I was just giving my two cents to a visitor to our wonderful town.

Now your post got me intrigued. Are you saying limo plus AMP all inclusive at $$? That sounds a real good deal. How are those "little places" set up? Different from store-front AMPs say Kings or GF? Are the girls mostly Chinese, Korean or others? This is a never-heard-of to me (and probably to many other bros' too since it's not been mentioned on this board). So please shed more light.

Happy AMPing,
JZ

ChiMan II

01-02-04, 03:22

I am familar with the exclusive AMP hidden to the public and for the chinese only. You pay the girl from $300 to $500 dollars. Yes some limo drivers know but you must tip them $100 not including what you must pay the limo by the hour. You can get the same type girl in Goldflower for $200 total.

MrTallOne

01-02-04, 15:17

Guys,

With all due respect...

Just visiting from the Los Angeles boards, but these prices seem way out of line.

Are these model types with absolute full GFE? Otherwise, for this kind of money you have other options, including "real" girls.

I'm not saying mess with the street girls. There has to be a middle ground, even in San Francisco.

JoeZ

01-02-04, 19:13

Well, here's my survey ---

For 500~700 (again it's negotiable), you get FS from a top-notch model-type blond hottie at MBOT (no guarante of GFE);

For 200~500, FS from an independant escort. The higher you pay, better look of the girl and better chance of GFE. At 350~500, GFE almost guranteed.

For 150~200, FS at AMP/AAMP. Looks of providers vary from 8~9 (Golden Flowers) to 6~8 (King's and Lee's). No guarante of GFE; but it's more likely to happen at King's and Lee's than GF.

For 50~150, HJ, BJ, FS from SW's. YMMV.

Does this sound fair?

tocsin

01-02-04, 23:44

I have not been to GF but I agree that at King's you are pretty much guaranteed a pretty damn good session. Ever since it was Goldfinga I only had one mediocre experience with all the rest being quite good.

JoeZ

01-03-04, 16:53

tocsin,

In terms of service, King's is probably the best among SF AMPs. GF has a larger facility and can thus host more girls. On an average night, there are 20~30 working gals. Most of them are true eye candies in their early 20's. But the service is often rushed. Midway between GF and King's is Lee's: fair service, good mix of younger and older providers, and okay facilities (at least each room has its own shower fountain).

JZ

Zzkenoman

01-03-04, 21:12

ChiMan,

I understand that a tourist may pay $100 for a tip, but it is not mandatory to give to the driver. And as far as your quotes from 3-5bills is also incorrect, I think you may have the wrong limo company. Remember there are many independent drivers out there, and they may have in thier book only 1 or 2 possible places or names to call upon and may have already a "agreement" to milk the tourist. If you are local, or not, you must let them know and tell them you dont have money to burn. I'm sure they will still find a good to acceptable place or girl.

JoeZ:
If you find the right location (mentioned in my past post) these drivers know these establishments because it is a regular entertainment for them. They'll drive you to places called the "2nd floor", where they park the car, walk you to the door, someone behind a gate asks who they are, the driver talks chinese or korean, the door gets buzzed and you walk up the stairs. After which you are led to a room with long bench seating with approx 5-10 girls. You sign in, pick the girl, she walks you to the door and usually starts with the standard massage for about 15-30min. After which you can negotiate your pleasure. When your done, your driver picks you up and brings you back to your destination. I have never paid more than $50 for the fee up front, and $120 for FS. As far as the driver, $75 to $100 is acceptable, although if you get in the wrong car, they will charge you company rates. i.e. $65.00 per hour, 3 hour min. The key is the independent limo driver looking for cash, and have there own car.

Another unknown place not listed here is in korea town. I'll have to pull up the city streets to get my bearings, but I know there are aprox 3 places, the girls drink with you at this karoke bar, and have private rooms. There is also a place on El Camino in milbrea with the same type of karoke place with private rooms which I have enjoyed company and service, but be aware that you'll have to put out $$ for drinks, and the girls all drink alot!

Be save

tocsin

01-03-04, 21:25

20-30 girls! Wow. I gotta check it out the next time I am in SF.

Tsboy69

01-04-04, 05:56

Mr. Tall

The pricing in SF is quite high compared to LA. It is in line with the typical costs in Honolulu too.

The talent in SF is good, and can be great. If you wish to play in SF, then you gotta suck it up and pay the gonig rates, if not, not.

I have looked forward to being able to get up to the city to partake once or twice. The experience is different than my usual LA or Oxnard experience.

Happy Hunting

LittleBigMan

01-04-04, 15:44

Gentlemen,

I think the issue is if you have the money to burn then go for it!
Pay all you want! But from my experience and IMHO it seems paying a driver along with a tip to take you to a place thats going to get you pretty much the same as a good AMP for much less does not make alot of sense to me.

I believe the majority of people to read this forum is your average joe, middle income! and reading this forum give you pretty much an idea where to go and how to go! Why pay the driver!
The extra money you save you could get the GFE with XXXX
at a AMP.

But if you can hire a driver and take you around I guess it does not matter! But if you made your money as a business man,
then it does not make business sense.

LBM

Berkeley2

01-05-04, 20:09

Guys,

I just moved up to SF from the Southbay in Los Angeles. There are 3 Accupuncture / Accupressure establishments that I used to frequent regularly. They were all Chinese run and provided a very good massage with HJ finish. At two of them, I was actually able to get FS after several visits. HJ was an extra .4 and FS was $100. I now work downtown SF. Are there any establishments like this nearby? I have visited GF and got a very rushed session with a hottie named Peggy. Now I would like to see if I can get a decent massage.

Thanks!

SF Lurker

01-06-04, 02:19

Zzkenoman,

Are you talking about the Korean hostess bars, where they squeeze you for drinks? I once spent a few hours trying to get something out of a girl at one of those places, but it never went anywhere. She kept telling me she could sit with me in a private room for $70, but I wouldn't take the bait. This was at a place called "Episode" at Geary and Larkin, which has since moved.

Later on a friend of a friend got a job in one of those places, and from knowing her type it wasn't an FS type place. However, I found out the trick they use to get you to keep buying them drinks: they take a sip from the drink, and then spit the drink out through a straw into the "coke" which they always have on the side. The coke gets fuller as the night goes on.

Sky Muffin

01-10-04, 06:57

Hi everyone,

Had a good and bad experience tonight at the MSC

I went to MSC for the first time tonight, entering with some trepidation having read through all the warnings on this site about being ripped off, so I sat myself down to watch the show, telling all the girls who came to sit down beside me that I was watching the Japanese porn video (true too!).

I knew how lapdances worked, and had some idea of prices in the back, but didn't really understand the system.

Finally a large black woman from the Caribbean came up to me, and started grabbing me through my pants, at which point my 'little brain' took over, and I agreed to $60 for FS or $40 for BBBJ, even though my big brain knew it was too good to be true. We went to the back, and I paid my $10 entrance fee. I had told her I had been there many times, but I guess when I tried to take a right instead of going straight up the left after getting my ticket (and after not taking the ticket from the guy on the right and handing it to the guy on the left), she knew I was a newbie. We got to the booth in the back, and asked me for $20 for the booth. I was nervous the whole time about getting ripped off, so I seemed nervous and rushed, as if I was hurrying her to get to the action. I gave her the money, but after she put it in the machine, the light didn't go on. She went out to call for an assistant, who came and together they spent about 1 minute fixing the light bulb. By then about $12 remained in the booth meter (I found out later the booth meter doesn't really matter at all, some girls don't even put money in I was told by a nice blonde stripper who explained the system to me after). I started accusing her of going slow. Then she whips out tissue paper and disinfectant and starts cleaning the booth where I'm supposed to sit, saying that there could be germs there. Is this normal?? By the time I was sitting there with my pants down, about $5 was on the meter. I was sure I'd have to put more in. Then she asked for the $40, which I gave her. She put on a condom, and started sucking for about 15 seconds. Then she asked for another $20. I decided I wasn't gonna get ripped off, and said no. She finally agreed to $10, but I said I'd give her afterwards. Meanwhile, she was putting lotion on my penis, tempting me some more. The meter had run out, but it didn't seem to matter. Finally we both said forget it at about the same time. She started mumbling about how I was dirty and probably had AIDS, how did I expect a BBBJ for $40, etc. Looking back, I don't know how or if she was intending to rip me off, or if she got put off by my distrustful attitude.

I went back to the large theatre, and found the blond girl I mentioned who explained it was $10 to go in the back, and usually $20 for the booth, though some girls didn't ask for that, including her. She told me that money didn't exactly go to the girls, but went towards some kind of quota system. I twasn't mandatory to put money in the meter.

Finally I located a black girl I liked. She just finished fighting with a customer, and I asked her what it was about. She said she offered the guy a free sample in the back, and he wanted to take it in the lap dance area. Afterwards, he refused to pay, but she said that it was just a straight lap dance, the free sample only took place in the back. I told her I never heard about a free sample, she said it means she strips down to show her goods, then the customer can decide what he wants. I protested that it costs $10 each time to go to the back (the ticket guy at the back told me that!), she said that with my stamp I can go in and out after paying once. She took me back there, and sure enough I got through without paying since they recognized me and checked my stamp. Really strange, since I got that stamp when I paid $20 to enter MSC, not when I paid $10 to access the back area.

Anyways, before going in a booth, I said I didn't have much money, and she said $60 for a BJ was OK. I offered $50, and she agreed. We go in the back, and I give her the money, plus $2 for a condom. She had an excellent attitude, and put a lot of effort into the CBJ, although I had drank alcohol (my excuse for letting my little head take over this evening, for those of you wondering how I could get take so easily!) and wasn't easy to arouse. She would have finished me off with her mouth, but she gave me the feeling that she actually liked me and wanted more. After about 5 minutes she asekd if I wanted sex, I said I didn't have much money. She asked me how much I had, I said only $30. She said OK, so I gave her the $30. She then continued the CBJ, and I was about to cum, so I said 'stop stop stop'. She anticipated my lack of control, and quickly turned around and said hurry get in. I tried, but came before I could enter her. I entered her anyways, and tried what I could. Afterwards she told me her name was Destiny, and that she really enjoyed the penetration, and that I could come back anytime for the same money ($80) and we could do oral, FS, Greek, anything I wanted. I'm pretty sure I could go back with less than $80 and she'd be fine. Definite good vibes there, and I could definitely go back to her next time when I'm sober and physically more prepared. With the entrance fees, the total would be $110 maximum for FS and maybe more.

OK, hope I don't sound like total idiot from the first part, I can't believe I got taken in after going in the theatre prepared. Thinking about getting ripped off took away from my enjoyment of the evening, and possibly even led to my getting ripped off. I learned something about human nature tonight, at least my own! Need to stay cool.

Cheers,

Sky Muffin