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Light Bringer
08-08-17, 00:13
And I don't really give a shit what you wish someone would have told you 20 years ago. I didn't ask for your basic advice. I've heard all that before. Don't fall for the act, everybody wants to be "that guy", pay them to leave not to stay, etc. Etc. Been there, done that, moved on already. Everyone plays the game a little differently. Don't assume that because I look for something different than you that it means that I do so out of ignorance.
If I have put my hand too close to the flame once before, it doesn't mean I am going to be scared of fire from now on. Quite the opposite in fact.
Thanks to the rest of you who gave me some good ideas, in the threads and by PM.
I really don't give a shit about what you think I should do, or what you'll do. I'm just telling you what I wish someone told me 20 years ago when I went down this road.
And I really don't care what you do with my advice. I'm old enough to know everyone thinks they're going to be "that guy", and everyone learns the hard (and in this case, expensive) way.
But hey, it's your money and those girls are more than willing to take it. This is a game to them. You can be a player or you can be played.
And I don't really give a shit what you wish someone would have told you 20 years ago. I didn't ask for your basic advice. I've heard all that before. Don't fall for the act, everybody wants to be "that guy", pay them to leave not to stay, etc. Etc. Been there, done that, moved on already. Everyone plays the game a little differently. Don't assume that because I look for something different than you that it means that I do so out of ignorance.
If I have put my hand too close to the flame once before, it doesn't mean I am going to be scared of fire from now on. Quite the opposite in fact.
Thanks to the rest of you who gave me some good ideas, in the threads and by PM.I hope you let us know. If not all of us, just me will be fine. I thought your original post was interesting and gave me a something to think about. Unfortunately, I could not come up with someone to suggest to you.
ClintonPortis
08-10-17, 03:28
And I don't really give a shit what you wish someone would have told you 20 years ago. I didn't ask for your basic advice. I've heard all that before. Don't fall for the act, everybody wants to be "that guy", pay them to leave not to stay, etc. Etc. Been there, done that, moved on already. Everyone plays the game a little differently. Don't assume that because I look for something different than you that it means that I do so out of ignorance.
If I have put my hand too close to the flame once before, it doesn't mean I am going to be scared of fire from now on. Quite the opposite in fact.
Thanks to the rest of you who gave me some good ideas, in the threads and by PM.No you're putting up a strawman argument. It's not "ignorance" to want something different than what other mongers want. That's not what we're saying.
It's wilful avoidance to face facts. Looking for love by being a john to a hooker is a one way ticket to broken hearts, broken dreams, and a broken bank account.
Yes, many independent hookers who aren't drug addled or beholden to a pimp actually do have a life outside the sex trade. For sure. They have private lives too. And THAT is where these girls will go to find love, whether they have day jobs like Leia or go to school or have friends and family to hang with socially. You think their idea of romantic love involves a john that trolls the internet looking to pay girls for sex? The only kind of romance you will ever enjoy with a hooker as a john is the kind where you are their bank. That is it.
There is not a single person on this forum that has managed to sustain a long lasting, 15-20 year, committed relationship or marriage based on "love" with a hooker. Not a single one. Every story ends with the monger learning a big lesson, or a monger not able to handle the hooker's job, or on rare occasions the hooker becoming too clingy, or whatever. This just does not exist.
Go to a dating site and you will have a 5 percent, 10 percent, or 20 percent chance of finding the woman you end up settling down with and growing old with. Take the AMP route as a john and your success rate will be 0. 0 percent.
Yes, many independent hookers who aren't drug addled or beholden to a pimp actually do have a life outside the sex trade. For sure. They have private lives too. And THAT is where these girls will go to find love, whether they have day jobs like Leia or go to school or have friends and family to hang with socially. You think their idea of romantic love involves a john that trolls the internet looking to pay girls for sex? The only kind of romance you will ever enjoy with a hooker as a john is the kind where you are their bank. That is it.
There is not a single person on this forum that has managed to sustain a long lasting, 15-20 year, committed relationship or marriage based on "love" with a hooker. Not a single one.
Yup, pretty much agree with this although I never think in terms of 100% as there may be the occasional exception. First KBG I ever knew, I met at a local "regular" nightclub. She mentioned she worked at some KB. I, being a newbie, said "That's a hostess bar right? So I suggested if I buy her a drink that would be like working to her so best she buy me drinks. She bought into that haha! Anyways, I do know some of the "girls" social media accounts. You know what's in them? Pictures of family and friends. Not one picture of a john or customer. As mongers we indict ourselves whether in a KB or an AMP just by the fact that we're there willing to buy a girls time or body. Looking for something behind the eyes? Something "deeper" haha. Egotism probably should be compartmentalized when mongering as most of the girls are pretty smart already. They know who you are, what kind of person you are, and they know how to stroke that ego if you expose it.
As an aside, my former ATF after the deed once asked me "In a world filled with nothing but frogs, is god a frog?" Haha an unexpected question to be sure! Looking for a smart girl? They're everywhere but just choose to not show you.
SS.
Coffee Bean
08-10-17, 18:12
When I posted my candid opinion of an aged provider I was quickly attacked for my age discrimination problem.
"Everyone has different tastes, no reason to bash on the girl if not your type. Imagine what would be said if they posted reviews on."
Perhaps if I were a sir Lancelot or other paladin type who would throw his cape across the mud puddle to let the princess cross, I'd need a safe space to write a poem in to express my hurt feelings, but I'm just a simple fellow who desires to have Uncomplicated sex with Attractive providers to satiate my savage lust for a bit until it bubbles over again.
While I agree that it's not very gentlemanly or chivalrous to "bash" a provider, if I'm expected to be handing over what's significantly more than my own wage / hour to some lovely hostess in a brothel, she ought to be approaching a minimum standard of looks, service, and attitude. If the tables were turned as was suggested by the defender of the reputation of the provider, I'd either be looking for other work, or likely starving, but I'm not being paid for my uncomplicated sexual availablity, services, looks or attitude, so if I want to be an unchivalrous ass, then I suppose that's aok.
Perhaps if I suddenly develop a great deal of empathy for the people who are voluntarily chooosing to be paid (reasonably) for a service that required little effort for them to qualify for, I might cry myself to sleep or be mad at other mongers who post unflattering info about my ATF of the moment but until then. I'll probably just keep looking for the good ones, tossing the chaff by the wayside, sleeping, eating and pooping like the quasi unconscious caveman that I am.
-W.Amen brother. I pretty much said the same thing when I was criticized for posting an honest but bad review on a popular provider.
Lonely Smiles
08-10-17, 19:12
As mongers we indict ourselves whether in a KB or an AMP just by the fact that we're there willing to buy a girls time or body. Looking for something behind the eyes? Something "deeper" haha. Egotism probably should be compartmentalized when mongering as most of the girls are pretty smart already. They know who you are, what kind of person you are, and they know how to stroke that ego if you expose it.There is something to this.
This is just an anecdote - I had a tinder date with a girl studying chemical engineering here on Oahu. Our date did not lead anywhere, but the conversation was interesting. It turned out she also stripped at 939 to pay tuition. She told me that she discovered she makes a lot more money by playing dumb. Guys would come in, try to impress her with their knowledge, and even if they were wrong she made way more money by sticking to "oh, honey you are so smart!" When she actually challenged a client or pointed out an error, she made far less. She said it was common knowledge with the popular girls, try to be as pretty as possible and play dumb.
She also mentioned the first thing a guy can do to be disqualified automatically from the pool of men she would consider dating is show up at the club. She gets asked out constantly while dancing. In her words, "I'll never date a guy that comes to the club. Nope, not doing it. ".
In AMPs, I've found that most girls are very careful to keep their private life separate, guarded. This includes things like real name, family, normal social media accounts, etc. Getting added on Kakaotalk with a a girls work number is one thing, knowing a provider or her friends and family beyond the job is quite another. Even with girls that have added me on facebook, like Vivian from Mayflower, her account is 100% her life on the mainland, pictures of friends, family, her sons. This life is all a sealed past now.
When a girl is finally ready to close this chapter on her life, many choose to shut it off completely, zero attachments to their former life, move to a different zip code, a different state. And that work phone full of monger phone numbers and endless texts gets erased.
SureYourRight
08-11-17, 01:22
There is something to this.
This is just an anecdote - I had a tinder date with a girl studying chemical engineering here on Oahu. Our date did not lead anywhere, but the conversation was interesting. It turned out she also stripped at 939 to pay tuition. She told me that she discovered she makes a lot more money by playing dumb. Guys would come in, try to impress her with their knowledge, and even if they were wrong she made way more money by sticking to "oh, honey you are so smart!" When she actually challenged a client or pointed out an error, she made far less. She said it was common knowledge with the popular girls, try to be as pretty as possible and play dumb.
She also mentioned the first thing a guy can do to be disqualified automatically from the pool of men she would consider dating is show up at the club. She gets asked out constantly while dancing. In her words, "I'll never date a guy that comes to the club. Nope, not doing it. ".
In AMPs, I've found that most girls are very careful to keep their private life separate, guarded. This includes things like real name, family, normal social media accounts, etc. Getting added on Kakaotalk with a a girls work number is one thing, knowing a provider or her friends and family beyond the job is quite another. Even with girls that have added me on facebook, like Vivian from Mayflower, her account is 100% her life on the mainland, pictures of friends, family, her sons. This life is all a sealed past now.
When a girl is finally ready to close this chapter on her life, many choose to shut it off completely, zero attachments to their former life, move to a different zip code, a different state. And that work phone full of monger phone numbers and endless texts gets erased.Is this girl still working at 939? Experience has taught me that "I'll never date a guy that comes to the club. " is usually I'll never date another guy that comes to the club".
Light Bringer
08-11-17, 03:42
That's fine, but where exactly did I say that I was looking for romance? Where did I say I was looking for a long lasting committed relationship?
To be clear, I am sympathetic to the notion that we are all human beings, on both sides, irrational and unpredictable, and anything could happen. However unlikely you might think it is, however unwise you think it might be to go looking for, stranger things have happened. If you want to give advice to people that it is not advisable to go looking for romance, go ahead. I think that is good advice. But don't assume that you are smart enough to know what every single person is capable of or what their motivation is.
As for why I seek absolution among fallen angels, I have my reasons. I have a karmic debt to repay. I will find at least one person who is looking to escape. I will extend my hand and they will either understand what this gesture means, or they will not. If they take my hand, I will pull them out whatever prison they find themselves locked in. Yeah, I probably have to let myself fall in love with them to put in that type of effort. And yeah, I already know how that will ultimately end. But I am not looking for something to possess. I am looking for something to set free. What do I get out of it? It wouldn't make sense to anyone else, because only I determine the purpose of my actions for myself. We all have our reasons for what we do. I write my own story, and I choose to live it. How much money would you be willing to part with for the sake of being the person you really want to be? $150? For one hour? Add a few zeroes to that number, and a lifetime to that timespan, and that is what I am actually putting into play with every encounter. I have a secret contempt for the money, and a secret respect for the person. That sound crazy to you? Yeah, I understand. But tell me who among you is really normal?
No, I don't think I am a better person than you. It's likely that I just have to work that much harder to find the simple happiness and self-satisfaction that you take for granted. But it's okay. It all evens out in the end.
So yeah I understand your argument. I think you cling too dearly to absolutes in order to find security in pedestrian street wisdom. But in any case, you are arguing with someone, but that someone is not me.
13 - I kept my word. I kept the faith. If you need a light, I will bring one.
No you're putting up a strawman argument. It's not "ignorance" to want something different than what other mongers want. That's not what we're saying.
It's wilful avoidance to face facts. Looking for love by being a john to a hooker is a one way ticket to broken hearts, broken dreams, and a broken bank account.
Yes, many independent hookers who aren't drug addled or beholden to a pimp actually do have a life outside the sex trade. For sure. They have private lives too. And THAT is where these girls will go to find love, whether they have day jobs like Leia or go to school or have friends and family to hang with socially. You think their idea of romantic love involves a john that trolls the internet looking to pay girls for sex? The only kind of romance you will ever enjoy with a hooker as a john is the kind where you are their bank. That is it.
There is not a single person on this forum that has managed to sustain a long lasting, 15-20 year, committed relationship or marriage based on "love" with a hooker. Not a single one. Every story ends with the monger learning a big lesson, or a monger not able to handle the hooker's job, or on rare occasions the hooker becoming too clingy, or whatever. This just does not exist.
Go to a dating site and you will have a 5 percent, 10 percent, or 20 percent chance of finding the woman you end up settling down with and growing old with. Take the AMP route as a john and your success rate will be 0. 0 percent.
Is this girl still working at 939? Experience has taught me that "I'll never date a guy that comes to the club. " is usually I'll never date another guy that comes to the club"."I'll never date another guy that comes in this club or AMP, unless he has mad stacks and takes me shopping. ".
Go to a dating site and you will have a 5 percent, 10 percent, or 20 percent chance of finding the woman you end up settling down with and growing old with. Take the AMP route as a john and your success rate will be 0. 0 percent.I used to be the GM for a high end retailer and I hired a busty Asian girl to the operation. I hired her because she could speak Japanese very well and she could sell to the male clientele. Immediately, there were rumors among the other girls that she used to be a stripper and that sort of thing. She performed, so I didn't care (and I've never really been that attracted to Asian women).
She flirted with me, but I treated her like everyone else. Again, not into Asians, so I didn't bite. She got attention from the other guys, but not me. So she kept trying harder.
Ultimately, we talked and she opened up to me because, I think, that was one more level of flirting. She confirmed she was a stripper so I picked her brain about the life. She said she saw men as ATMs. If you didn't have cash, she wasn't interested. She said a good stripper knew how be the girl the guy she was dancing for wanted, how much money he actually had and how to keep the guy coming back. As someone in their mid-20's, this was quite the revelation to me.
She had a fiancé twice her age. She admitted that his money (lots of it) was the reason why was engaged and wasn't stripping.
Once I understood this, my understanding of women in the sex industry fell into place.
As for why I seek absolution among fallen angels, I have my reasons. I have a karmic debt to repay. I will find at least one person who is looking to escape. I will extend my hand and they will either understand what this gesture means, or they will not. If they take my hand, I will pull them out whatever prison they find themselves locked in.This is so funny. Perhaps you have already bailed her out of jail and offered to pay her legal fees?
Light Bringer
08-11-17, 15:20
What a douchetool. Why be an asshole? Yeah, maybe we are all assholes for being in here the first place, but you are an especially boring kind of unnecessary asshole.
This is so funny. Perhaps you have already bailed her out of jail and offered to pay her legal fees?
Douchetool, I kinda like that.
A2
This is so funny. Perhaps you have already bailed her out of jail and offered to pay her legal fees?One thing's for sure. Some girl's about to make *a lot* of money off this guy just for talking.
What a douchetool. Why be an asshole? Yeah, maybe we are all assholes for being in here the first place, but you are an especially boring kind of unnecessary asshole.
Douchetool, I kinda like that.
A2You may just be looking in all the wrong places. There are a lot of 90 day "visitors" around town that need saving. Girls that signed contracts in Korea or China and now find themselves locked in. Most of the traditional houses have USA Passported ladies who are there by choice (god bless them all). Start on the top floor of CC and work your way down.
And yes, I volunteer to be a douchetool haha!
SS.
You may just be looking in all the wrong places. There are a lot of 90 day "visitors" around town that need saving. Girls that signed contracts in Korea or China and now find themselves locked in. Most of the traditional houses have USA Passported ladies who are there by choice (god bless them all). Start on the top floor of CC and work your way down.
And yes, I volunteer to be a douchetool haha!
SS.LOL. Good suggestion, this bleeding heart wants to save one,(as if they want to be) better tell him in addition to starting at the top of CC he better bring a briefcase full of cash. Hope he has it. Lots of 90 day tourist visa's wanting to stay in the us as well. It maybe a lot cheaper, then again not. For him. WHO CARES?? You fucked up some wahine a long time ago so what we all have in one way or another, move on, or get some professional help your choice. Just my opinion. This conversation has been going on and on and on. Who cares what you do, I don't neither any of the guys reading between the lines. FYI.
Wow first of all please allow me to apologize to all of gentlemen on here that has gotten burned or heart broken by a provider. I sincerely and genuinely apologize on behalf of us providers. All I'm reading is hurt, bitterness, unforgiveness and disbelief. I'm not here to pass judgment on anyone but instead to share my experience and let you maybe see another side to things. Before I started in 2016 I worked from age 19-24 (if you know my age you do the math for the yrs I worked. LOL) I met my ex husband and I stopped working. I was married for 10 years together 11 3 kids to show. It was a very abusive marriage but I choose to stay. I stayed through the drug abuse, physical abuse and then eventually infidelity (not on my part) I myself was so broken when I met him I wanted and needed someone to love me BUT what I didn't realize was he wasn't able to. Not because he didn't want to but because he was just as broken and hurting inside. I didn't know. Unfortunately I couldn't stay because my son began to act out like his father. So I left. My point is hurt people will hurt people and some don't even know they are doing it cause they don't even realize that they are hurting. Me I choose to have it stop here. I choose not to take advantage of men when they are thinking with jr. I choose to make the hurt stop with me when guys rip me off or try to hurt me. I choose to repay with kindness. What I've also learned to do is read people. I can tell when a guy is blowing smoke up my ass and I can tell when he's genuine. Me I like to think my life is open book in a private library with a story that I have no problem sharing. We all have a story and deep down inside we all want to be read, but most of all above being read we wasn't to be understood. I do anyways. I want to marry again I want to fall in love again I don't care if he happens to be a Jon or not as long as he can wholeheartedly accept me ALL OF ME. We are not all fuck up but have all been Fuck up. So just to let you know it's possible ANYTHING IS.
Xoxoxoxo JD.
HonoluluGirl
08-11-17, 21:54
But at some point I get up off my knees, stand up and ask myself what the hell am I doing here? How the hell did I even get here?
If it is not already painfully obvious, I am relatively new to the scene. About 7 months into it, with the 3 months rather focused on an ATF. You can see a lot in 7 months. Fallen angels, hungry wolves, fugitive saints, jaded souls, broken hearts and everything in between. It has been a bizarre journey into a subterranean world of talented dream weavers and simple flesh peddlers. And underneath it all, everywhere, an unmistakable current of desperation. One veteran provider admonished me, basically saying "stop over-thinking and just follow your buto". That was the right advice, but I'm just not wired to operate like that, and I don't think I can re-wire myself that way. Paradoxically, the shortcut of simply paying for it leaves me at a disadvantage that I didn't anticipate. All that is usually at my disposal for leveling the playing field with a woman who is otherwise out of my league. The art of seduction, the thrill of the chase, the delicate ritual of matching wits, reading minds and subtle exchanges of veiled emotions. All of that goes out the window, and by virtue of going straight to sex I found myself in instant checkmate to a woman who literally had me by the balls. The fact that I could have sex with someone that gorgeous was awesome at first, but I found myself wanting to go back and retroactively earn that privilege. It no longer had any meaning to me unless I was capable of earning it. Not only was that wishful thinking, it was a surefire way to get trampled by the brutal realities of this transaction-based business.
Long story short. Made rookie mistakes. But more than that, I think I am just not wired to navigate the terrain here without getting myself slaughtered. Probably best if I find the exit for now and resist the temptation come back until I have mastered the simple wisdom of the mindless buto. Not sure if that will ever happen, or if I even want that to happen, but for for now, lights out for the light bringer.There are those who say that all working girls are victims, forced into a life by a domineering person or an overpowering addiction. Prostitutes are automatically victims. But is this point of view infantalizing. Is it possible I chose this life of my own freewill? When I use my earnings for elective cosmetic surgery, am I still a victim? Maybe I am so brainwashed by societ's ideological hegemony that I am blind to my suffering. Hmm. Just a little intense navel staring, as they say, if one has nothing to do but ruminate uselessly.
Light Bringer
08-11-17, 22:44
I'm not trying to be a saint. I do not have the discipline or the endurance to aspire to that. I am a morally lazy fat cat. I have latent abilities to do worthwhile things, but only if I am motivated by curiosity or hunger. Otherwise, as this stage in my life, I am prone to moral inertia. There was a time, in my younger days, when I took on the most desperate cases. Two young women in the Philippines diverted to a better path in life off the streets. And I did that without partaking in the trade. In retrospect, those cases of greater and more clearly defined need are often easier to handle. There is a lower threshold of capital required to make a life-changing difference. But the obvious cases of despair are not the only ones worth addressing. In purely utilitarian terms, a general practitioner is far more useful, can address more basic needs, and thus helps far more people, than a narrowly focused specialist. But for some situations you need a specialist. I must be some sort of auto-immune disorder specialist. Some providers build such formidable defense mechanism to deal with what they subject themselves to that they seemed to be hopelessly trapped in an emotional prison of their own making, forever separated from normal life by walls on all sides. For whatever reason, it is this particular tragedy that I find most heart-breaking. The self-imprisoned soul. Generally speaking, not an uncommon thing, but magnified amongst providers by the mentally harsh conditions of their work. I look up at those towering walls, and I can't help but climb. It's just instinct.
You may just be looking in all the wrong places. There are a lot of 90 day "visitors" around town that need saving. Girls that signed contracts in Korea or China and now find themselves locked in. Most of the traditional houses have USA Passported ladies who are there by choice (god bless them all). Start on the top floor of CC and work your way down.
And yes, I volunteer to be a douchetool haha!
SS.
Realdeal808
08-12-17, 20:12
I'm not trying to be a saint. I do not have the discipline or the endurance to aspire to that. I am a morally lazy fat cat. I have latent abilities to do worthwhile things, but only if I am motivated by curiosity or hunger. Otherwise, as this stage in my life, I am prone to moral inertia. There was a time, in my younger days, when I took on the most desperate cases. Two young women in the Philippines diverted to a better path in life off the streets. And I did that without partaking in the trade. In retrospect, those cases of greater and more clearly defined need are often easier to handle. There is a lower threshold of capital required to make a life-changing difference. But the obvious cases of despair are not the only ones worth addressing. In purely utilitarian terms, a general practitioner is far more useful, can address more basic needs, and thus helps far more people, than a narrowly focused specialist. But for some situations you need a specialist. I must be some sort of auto-immune disorder specialist. Some providers build such formidable defense mechanism to deal with what they subject themselves to that they seemed to be hopelessly trapped in an emotional prison of their own making, forever separated from normal life by walls on all sides. For whatever reason, it is this particular tragedy that I find most heart-breaking. The self-imprisoned soul. Generally speaking, not an uncommon thing, but magnified amongst providers by the mentally harsh conditions of their work. I look up at those towering walls, and I can't help but climb. It's just instinct.You sound like one confused martyr / monger. You seem to say so many contradictory things that indicates that you are either messed up mentally or just talking shit. You say you aren't looking for romance with a hooker but you also lecture others that it is entirely possible to have a successful relationship with one and that you are looking for the most intellectual hooker out there. You say you aren't trying to save anyone yet you are extending a hand to anyone who wants to take it so you can help free her from self-imposed emotional walls. You seem to be open to having a relationship but state that you know it will probably end badly. All these conflicting thoughts make you look silly IMHO. So what is your bottom line? What the heck do you really want? Perhaps you should stop with the cryptic remarks and just be real. You aren't impressing anyone with your attempts at eloquent storytelling. At least me anyway.
Light Bringer
08-12-17, 20:36
Bleeding heart liberal? WTF am I being harangued by with some inbred dickface Trump supporter? Ah, the irony of being judged by a monger. What a waste that the humor of the joke that you make out of yourself is lost on you. That's an amazing demonstration of compounded stupidassery. Listen dipshit. There are all sorts of people here for all sorts of reasons. No, I am not trying to make up for having hurt someone in the past. I never said the debt I seek to address is one of my own making. It's assholes like you that break things that I have to fix, because you are a dumbass who never figures anything out. But I don't mind, and here is why. There are two types of people in the world. Those who figure out how things really work, and those who pick things up and put things down. I have to figure out how things really work, and by that I don't mean grasping your cynical brand of plebian street wisdom, which really only serves the purpose of convincing you to stay within the role designed for you. I have to figure out how things really work because it is my job to tell halfwits like you where to pick things up and put things down. I am compensated fairly well for this, such that if some girl with a charming smile and a sharp wit swindles me out of a suitcase full of cash, it's not such a big deal for me. Good on her. Well played. The juice was worth the squeeze. But by extension, I am also in a position to hookup a few more people, besides myself, with enough resources to vault themselves to the next level. The truth is that most of us have more money than we actually need, but like a mindless lab rat you are trained to operate on a subconscious presumption of scarcity. So you horde and consume like a giant shithole that serves as both your mouth and your anus. If I want to step out of the pattern, buy one less Patek Philippe, and see what some smart, passionate but otherwise marginalized young woman can do with those resources, that is my prerogative. And however I happen to stumble across someone who is game for that. That is my business. Its good that you don't give a shit, because your dung-larvae brain would overheat if you did give a shit and tried to figure things out. Your kind are not supposed to figure things out. You are supposed to pick things up and put things down. You can open your mouth if you want, but you will just end up looking stupid, you regressed mouth-breather. And you are right that most of the other guys don't care about anything I say. They are not supposed to. This conversation started because I asked for recommendations on a smart provider. It continues down this path because smug dillholes like you make the same tired flat-footed assumptions just so you can demonstrate that you know how to "play the game. " Congratulations. You are a Grandmaster of Tic Tac Toe. I'm very proud of you. Now STFU and GTFO. This is a chessboard, asstard. The guys who don't bother to read these posts know that I am not actually talking to them. Oh, you didn't figure that out? It didn't occur to you that the message embedded in the thread of this conversation is not actually intended for other sausages? No wonder you voiced your unnecessary, orang-you-tard opinion. I am only downshifting to respond to you because I am tired of all the piddly little shitbrain thoughts that ass-fungi like you keep leaving in my wake. I shouldn't let myself get dragged down to your level. But then again I never claimed to be a nice guy. I never claimed to be morally superior. I am just smart enough to occasionally lose my patience when crowded by a few circle-jerking neanderthals. Get away. Crawl back into your cave and try some evolution. My apologies to everyone else who bothered to read this.
How could they not, however you are writing way the fuck past the grasp of your audience.
Just saying,
A2
LOL. Good suggestion, this bleeding heart wants to save one,(as if they want to be) better tell him in addition to starting at the top of CC he better bring a briefcase full of cash. Hope he has it. Lots of 90 day tourist visa's wanting to stay in the us as well. It maybe a lot cheaper, then again not. For him. WHO CARES?? You fucked up some wahine a long time ago so what we all have in one way or another, move on, or get some professional help your choice. Just my opinion. This conversation has been going on and on and on. Who cares what you do, I don't neither any of the guys reading between the lines. FYI.
Light Bringer
08-13-17, 03:55
The guys who don't bother to read these posts know that I am not actually talking to them. Oh, you didn't figure that out? It didn't occur to you that the message embedded in the thread of this conversation is not actually intended for other sausages? No wonder you voiced your unnecessary, orang-you-tard opinion. I am only downshifting to respond to you because I am tired of all the piddly little shitbrain thoughts that ass-fungi like you keep leaving in my wake. I shouldn't let myself get dragged down to your level. But then again I never claimed to be a nice guy. I never claimed to be morally superior. I am just smart enough to occasionally lose my patience when crowded by a few circle-jerking neanderthals. Get away. Crawl back into your cave and try some evolution. My apologies to everyone else who bothered to read this.
How could they not, however you are writing way the fuck past the grasp of your audience.
Just saying,
A2Yeah, you are probably right. But then again, I only need to get through to one. She might be out there. As they say, the imagination is an erogenous zone, and some girls play it like Sarasate's Zigeunerweisen. That is an expertise that should not be underestimated. (If you are out there, keep your eyes open for the Calatrava cross. It will probably show up around the third visit).
If you are talking about the subprimate crowd that keeps weighing in as if I give a shit whether they care or not, yeah it's not a good look to beat up on retards like that. Poor form. But goddamn this has been a shitty week from hell. You'll have to excuse me.
Bleeding heart liberal? WTF am I being harangued by with some inbred dickface Trump supporter? Ah, the irony of being judged by a monger. What a waste that the humor of the joke that you make out of yourself is lost on you. That's an amazing demonstration of compounded stupidassery. Listen dipshit. There are all sorts of people here for all sorts of reasons. No, I am not trying to make up for having hurt someone in the past. I never said the debt I seek to address is one of my own making. It's assholes like you that break things that I have to fix, because you are a dumbass who never figures anything out. But I don't mind, and here is why. There are two types of people in the world. Those who figure out how things really work, and those who pick things up and put things down. I have to figure out how things really work, and by that I don't mean grasping your cynical brand of plebian street wisdom, which really only serves the purpose of convincing you to stay within the role designed for you. I have to figure out how things really work because it is my job to tell halfwits like you where to pick things up and put things down. I am compensated fairly well for this, such that if some girl with a charming smile and a sharp wit swindles me out of a suitcase full of cash, it's not such a big deal for me. Good on her. Well played. The juice was worth the squeeze. But by extension, I am also in a position to hookup a few more people, besides myself, with enough resources to vault themselves to the next level. The truth is that most of us have more money than we actually need, but like a mindless lab rat you are trained to operate on a subconscious presumption of scarcity. So you horde and consume like a giant shithole that serves as both your mouth and your anus. If I want to step out of the pattern, buy one less Patek Philippe, and see what some smart, passionate but otherwise marginalized young woman can do with those resources, that is my prerogative. And however I happen to stumble across someone who is game for that. That is my business. Its good that you don't give a shit, because your dung-larvae brain would overheat if you did give a shit and tried to figure things out. Your kind are not supposed to figure things out. You are supposed to pick things up and put things down. You can open your mouth if you want, but you will just end up looking stupid, you regressed mouth-breather. And you are right that most of the other guys don't care about anything I say. They are not supposed to. This conversation started because I asked for recommendations on a smart provider. It continues down this path because smug dillholes like you make the same tired flat-footed assumptions just so you can demonstrate that you know how to "play the game. " Congratulations. You are a Grandmaster of Tic Tac Toe. I'm very proud of you. Now STFU and GTFO. This is a chessboard, asstard. The guys who don't bother to read these posts know that I am not actually talking to them. Oh, you didn't figure that out? It didn't occur to you that the message embedded in the thread of this conversation is not actually intended for other sausages? No wonder you voiced your unnecessary, orang-you-tard opinion. I am only downshifting to respond to you because I am tired of all the piddly little shitbrain thoughts that ass-fungi like you keep leaving in my wake. I shouldn't let myself get dragged down to your level. But then again I never claimed to be a nice guy. I never claimed to be morally superior. I am just smart enough to occasionally lose my patience when crowded by a few circle-jerking neanderthals. Get away. Crawl back into your cave and try some evolution. My apologies to everyone else who bothered to read this.
How could they not, however you are writing way the fuck past the grasp of your audience.
Just saying,
A2I hope you get the help you need with all that excess wealth you claim to have, I really do, I guess unlike most of us normal mongers with real life financial obligations you seem to be free of this problem. Hooray for you and all those that will benefit from your excess wealth. Troll comes to mind as you can't seem to shut the fuck up! As A2 once told me many many moons ago just don't respond the only way to drown a troll is not to respond to the posts. I have always had a problem with this (that's why this fight thread was created), but then as I said the only way to win is not to play. I do thank you for the compliment, I have never been called a neanderthal before. But I guess that fits most of us here.
SureYourRight
08-13-17, 14:42
Yeah, you are probably right. But then again, I only need to get through to one. She might be out there. As they say, the imagination is an erogenous zone, and some girls play it like Sarasate's Zigeunerweisen. That is an expertise that should not be underestimated. (If you are out there, keep your eyes open for the Calatrava cross. It will probably show up around the third visit).
If you are talking about the subprimate crowd that keeps weighing in as if I give a shit whether they care or not, yeah it's not a good look to beat up on retards like that. Poor form. But goddamn this has been a shitty week from hell. You'll have to excuse me.Dude if you think saving some woman from a bad situation will obligate her to you, you don't know human beings very well. If you are honestly seeking to help people out, there are hundreds of social programs in Hawaii that could use the cash and the manpower. The reality is most of these women make more than their clients and the ones that don't are perfectly happy stringing guys along as "boyfriends" and reaping all the rewards. It's a game. You can choose to play or not but you aren't going to change the rules of it. It's been going on way before you and it will be going on way after you.
Light Bringer
08-14-17, 21:17
Awesome. A guy jumps in and talks crap out of the blue, implies that I am abnormal as if there is anything normal about even being here, then calls me the troll. I would have thought that of all places this would be one where a person could walk whatever path that suits his or her tastes without being heckled. But surprisingly, I run into all sorts of narrow-mindedness here. You have spent too much time here rationalizing your own perversions that anything that actually appears to be normal you assume to be out of place. And so you say to me that if I want to be normal, I should go back to the normal world. Nah. I find it more interesting to walk this subterranean world as a human being. You don't have to be excessively rich to have more than enough to share. You don't have to share a lot to make a meaningful difference in someone else's future. You don't have to be a hero or a martyr to give something meaningful to others without imposing an obligation onto them. None of what I have outlined above is abnormal. There is a reason I do not suspend what makes me a human being even when I operate in an abnormal environment. If I really have to explain it to you, then you have surrendered too much of yourself for the sake of loitering here for too long.
I am not looking to change the game. I am looking to not be changed too much by the game. I never said I wanted to actually fit in here over the long run. I lessen the risk of losing sight of who I am by looking for something specific that I know works for me. I don't give a damm if that's not how whatever game everyone else is playing is supposed to be played. Ya I know I am a revenue stream to them. That's why I bring the cash. Ya I know it's an act. It's fun. They even let me have a co-starring role. Some are willing to share more interesting things than others.
I hope you get the help you need with all that excess wealth you claim to have, I really do, I guess unlike most of us normal mongers with real life financial obligations you seem to be free of this problem. Hooray for you and all those that will benefit from your excess wealth. Troll comes to mind as you can't seem to shut the fuck up! As A2 once told me many many moons ago just don't respond the only way to drown a troll is not to respond to the posts. I have always had a problem with this (that's why this fight thread was created), but then as I said the only way to win is not to play. I do thank you for the compliment, I have never been called a neanderthal before. But I guess that fits most of us here.
Awesome. A guy jumps in and talks crap out of the blue, implies that I am abnormal as if there is anything normal about even being here, then calls me the troll.I don't know if you're a troll or not, what I do know is many here believe the providers see us only as ATM's and will say and do just about anything to get us to exclusively see only them. Also, many mongers here only see providers as cum buckets. Therefore, both get what they want out of the deal and it's purely business, even if personally the monger might find the provider cool. It's still just business.
You're running into so much friction because you do not have a sympathetic or like minded audience. If you want a hooker with a heart of gold, go find her and live out your days together in bliss. Just about every woman in the Chinese connection at CC is hoping a guy like you will save them. They will jump at the opportunity to leave CC and live a normal life. They hate it there, they want to be married, have children and a husband.
If you're truly serious in your cause, you really don't have to look very far or hard to find it. It's actually pretty easy to accomplish.
I'm not trying to be a saint. I do not have the discipline or the endurance to aspire to that. I am a morally lazy fat cat. I have latent abilities to do worthwhile things, but only if I am motivated by curiosity or hunger. Otherwise, as this stage in my life, I am prone to moral inertia. There was a time, in my younger days, when I took on the most desperate cases. Two young women in the Philippines diverted to a better path in life off the streets. And I did that without partaking in the trade. In retrospect, those cases of greater and more clearly defined need are often easier to handle. There is a lower threshold of capital required to make a life-changing difference. But the obvious cases of despair are not the only ones worth addressing. In purely utilitarian terms, a general practitioner is far more useful, can address more basic needs, and thus helps far more people, than a narrowly focused specialist. But for some situations you need a specialist. I must be some sort of auto-immune disorder specialist. Some providers build such formidable defense mechanism to deal with what they subject themselves to that they seemed to be hopelessly trapped in an emotional prison of their own making, forever separated from normal life by walls on all sides. For whatever reason, it is this particular tragedy that I find most heart-breaking. The self-imprisoned soul. Generally speaking, not an uncommon thing, but magnified amongst providers by the mentally harsh conditions of their work. I look up at those towering walls, and I can't help but climb. It's just instinct.You write as if you are morally supurior to other mongers in that we merely see the providers as fuck toys. While see them as broken spirits that need mending. But what are saying is these girls are not broken. They just have a different way at looking at life. Many if not most of the popular enjoy their work and see it am easy and at times, an emjoyable way of making good money. They need you to save them. Many of the popular girls say they are already promiscuous are would sleeping around anyway so they might as well make money dping it.
Light bringer. The providers aren't broken spirits and in a way your attitude is insulting to them. It's people like you who actually see them as less than human. We all enjoy the company and interaction we get from them. We know it's a game but its all about having a good time. The girls want us to have a good time and most of us want the girls to enjoy it too. Pussies feel better when it is likes the dick.
Light bringer. The providers aren't broken spirits and in a way your attitude is insulting to them. It's people like you who actually see them as less than human. We all enjoy the company and interaction we get from them. We know it's a game but its all about having a good time. The girls want us to have a good time and most of us want the girls to enjoy it too. Pussies feel better when it is likes the dick.Some people don't see the truth. They just see what they want to believe it must be.
A few years ago when I came to America (mainland) first time, I brought a lot of money that most Americans can't save in their account. Bought car and house (though it is not something in Malibu) without loan at all.
But some people just tried to believe that I am a poor Asian or Hispanic immigrant (my looks is confusing) who struggle to escape from poverty in this dream country america. They felt sympathy on me seeing my brand new Rolex watch when I look for neiman Marcus while they had to pay most of their income for rental and paying debt.
They believe they are nice kind person cause they feel sympathy in this poor immigrant with a lot of high end items on my body.
I am not talking about money. I mean. Some just ignore the truth and make his own illusion that can make him feel better.
Anyone remember jeremy irons in the movie m. Butterfly? He believes he really love a girl. But it was not an acutal human woman that he loved. He just loved somebody in his own illusion that he himself made.
You write as if you are morally supurior to other mongers in that we merely see the providers as fuck toys. While see them as broken spirits that need mending. But what are saying is these girls are not broken. They just have a different way at looking at life. Many if not most of the popular enjoy their work and see it am easy and at times, an emjoyable way of making good money. They need you to save them. Many of the popular girls say they are already promiscuous are would sleeping around anyway so they might as well make money dping it.If he feel girls at AMP or escort ladies are broken hearted ones or victim of society, why does he keeping fucking and paying to them??
If I feel angry at harsh child labor in bangladesh for my brand sneakers (while paying millions to hire super star for ad), I believe I have to stop buying such brand.
Same. If he really feel sorry for those broken hearted women, he should stop making that sex business thrive on his money.
I just feel he just wants to feel morally superior to most nice guys here who enjoy girls and girls who enjoy money.
Light Bringer
08-20-17, 06:41
Light bringer. The providers aren't broken spirits and in a way your attitude is insulting to them. It's people like you who actually see them as less than human. We all enjoy the company and interaction we get from them. We know it's a game but its all about having a good time. The girls want us to have a good time and most of us want the girls to enjoy it too. Pussies feel better when it is likes the dick.Let me put it this way. There is a certain kind of music that appeals to me. I find myself entranced by a particular kind of musician with a specific set of skills. I do not make any generalizations about what all the other players in the orchestra can or can't do, or should or shouldn't do. I only know what I am interested in, and I go looking for it. It is hard to find, but I have seen it before. I constantly run the risk of being misinterpreted a hundred different ways by a hundred different people. It's ok. I only need to come across one person who is crazy in the same way to make things interesting for awhile.
But let me set all of that aside for a second to address your point. No, I do not think that every prostitute is a soul who needs to be rescued, but if you think it is as simple as women happily providing services to men who are just looking for a good time, then you have gone to far to rationalize the means by which you satisfy your vices. If it were that simple, you would not flinch at using the word prostitute instead of provider. If you thought it was a perfectly reasonable way to make a living, you would not bat an eyelid if your mother / sister / daughter decided to take up this line of work. It has nothing to do with whether or not you think there is something wrong buying sex. It has everything to do with how there rest of society judges those who sell themselves for sex. Even if you and I think prostitutes are wonderful people, our high opinion of them will not make up for the judgment they will have to endure from everyone else for the rest of their lives.
I indulge in the same vices as you. But I don't delude myself into thinking that the fee that we pay is adequate compensation for what they give up. I know there is a higher price to pay. Some of us eventually find ways to pay that price, whether we do it consciously or subconsciously. Some pay a bit of the price by going out of their way to be especially respectful, generous, thoughtful and kind towards the provider. Hopefully that applies to most of us here. I look for someone with emotional intelligence and values that in others. I am much more likely to achieve a good understanding with that type. Just makes it easier for me.
If you say that is their choice to do this line of work and the market sets a fair price, then you will have to tell me that you would be fine if your daughter decided to be a prostitute as long as she was compensated at market price. And if you told me that you would be fine with your daughter growing up a prostitute, then I would tell you that you are one sick mofo. If you cannot abide the thought of your daughter being a prostitute, then every time you pay for the services of a prostitute you are just taking advantage of someone else's bad situation. Unless you have the intention of somehow paying the debt that you are building up.
For the record, I do not think prostitution should be a crime. But I can do nothing about the stigma attached to the profession that marginalizes those who chose this line of work. There is nothing wrong with a prostitute as an individual. There is something wrong with society. Yeah, not everyone is going to do something about it, but at the very least don't perpetuate the lie that these women enjoy a perfectly normal life and suffer no adverse effects from being a prostitute. You only tell yourself that to avoid having to deal with the consequences. That is bad faith. You say that I insult these women by recognizing the greater debt and searching for ways to pay it. I say you insult them by pretending that your money is sufficient compensation for their body.
If you think this is all bullshit, you are encouraged to ignore it. I am not concerned with what anyone else does. I am only concerned with what I do.
Duke Atreides
08-20-17, 15:23
Lightbringer.... Reading your posts is one of the grossest things I have come across in my several years on this forum. You need to take a step back and realize you are in a weird place mentally with all this and way to cerebral. I scrolled back to earlier posts to see how this started and you need to learn how to talk and interact with people on a more REAL level. Unless you took LSD or some other mind altering drug you should not be speaking the way you do.
It is like you are pretending to be a anime character.
Like this whole persona is so that you will one day hire a girl... and at one point during the session she is going to recognize you from the forums where she has read all your posts and keeps them in a shoe box under the cot with no mattress they force her to sleep on. She will tell you how she fell in love with you first through your use of the English language and the passion of your writing. How she would take hard poundings all day and the whole time she was hoping that you would choose her someday. She will then beg for you to take her with you, because she is looking for something more than the under payed carnal-capitalism of her body and now that she has finally met a man that can awaken her inner mind and make her orgasm by stimulating only her mind... she is in love for the first time.
It is like you have this ego-masturbatory-fantasy that you are someones "love savior" or that there is someone you are "meant to find" here and that you will be the one who was destined to save them from their loneliness. Please. Go try this on girls who are not being payed $200 an hour to be in the same room with you and let us know how that turns out.
Question - Do they let you wear the fedora in the table shower room? Or do they make you leave it with your samurai sword back in the massage room?
SureYourRight
08-20-17, 18:32
Lightbringer.... Reading your posts is one of the grossest things I have come across in my several years on this forum. You need to take a step back and realize you are in a weird place mentally with all this and way to cerebral. I scrolled back to earlier posts to see how this started and you need to learn how to talk and interact with people on a more REAL level. Unless you took LSD or some other mind altering drug you should not be speaking the way you do.
It is like you are pretending to be a anime character.
Like this whole persona is so that you will one day hire a girl... and at one point during the session she is going to recognize you from the forums where she has read all your posts and keeps them in a shoe box under the cot with no mattress they force her to sleep on. She will tell you how she fell in love with you first through your use of the English language and the passion of your writing. How she would take hard poundings all day and the whole time she was hoping that you would choose her someday. She will then beg for you to take her with you, because she is looking for something more than the under payed carnal-capitalism of her body and now that she has finally met a man that can awaken her inner mind and make her orgasm by stimulating only her mind... she is in love for the first time.
It is like you have this ego-masturbatory-fantasy that you are someones "love savior" or that there is someone you are "meant to find" here and that you will be the one who was destined to save them from their loneliness. Please. Go try this on girls who are not being payed $200 an hour to be in the same room with you and let us know how that turns out.
Question - Do they let you wear the fedora in the table shower room? Or do they make you leave it with your samurai sword back in the massage room?Dude is in love with his own legend. Must be from all that studying of the blade.
Guys, you just have to learn to ignore posters that bother you. Why get worked up over something said on the internet? It is not worth the time, effort and emotional response.
Guys, you just have to learn to ignore posters that bother you. Why get worked up over something said on the internet? It is not worth the time, effort and emotional response.If you review his posts he makes 1 reference to Hawaii and this is on a pro level compared to these big cities, is he even in Hawaii? Several brothers have made reference to cc, go save one at cc does he even know where this place is? Bottom line who cares, he just trying to stir up the pot and this because he had a "Week from Hell" and no I don't have to forgive this Maui Onion, because he has been venting on the membership, we all have hard days, weeks, months, some even years but we man up and do what we need to do, I think it is time this guy who needs Mental Observation probably at Kaneohe, be reminded he has something between his legs. TIME to grow up! And quit sulking cause people don't see things your way, I hope you act like this at work because you will be out on the street sooner than later. If in Hawaii, I remind you this is an at will state meaning you can be terminated at any time. If DOD you are possibly jeopardizing your security clearance and no clearance no work. You have consequences for your actions. But I have this strong suspicion you are from out of state at least I hope so. MY tax dollars are being wasted enough already on the rail, one more at Kaneohe on our dime.
AS brother JR said just ignore this guy cause he just going keep on going as long as anyone responds. Anyone. Starve this Troll. So he leaves.
Guys, you just have to learn to ignore posters that bother you. Plus, any member can easily put another member on his "Ignore List". When logged in, just click on the member's user name, choose "View Profile," and then click on "Add to Ignore List".
just ignore this guy cause he just going keep on going as long as anyone responds. Anyone. Starve this Troll. So he leaves.I like to read the scratchings of trolls, boastful Pitt look-a-likes, guys living in fantasy worlds, etc. It is kindah interesting to see the contradictions and arrogance arise as the poster continues to search for validation. I'm just an old goat with a low-power bazooka (I can't hit a windshield. Probably never could) who happens to enjoy a fun read. If you never take it seriously, it becomes another tool to help you take a nice dump in the morning.
SS.
Lualualei808
08-21-17, 18:26
I like to read the scratchings of trolls, boastful Pitt look-a-likes, guys living in fantasy worlds, etc. It is kindah interesting to see the contradictions and arrogance arise as the poster continues to search for validation. I'm just an old goat with a low-power bazooka (I can't hit a windshield. Probably never could) who happens to enjoy a fun read. If you never take it seriously, it becomes another tool to help you take a nice dump in the morning.
SS.LMFAO! Good One!
I like to read the scratchings of trolls, boastful Pitt look-a-likes, guys living in fantasy worlds, etc. It is kindah interesting to see the contradictions and arrogance arise as the poster continues to search for validation. I'm just an old goat with a low-power bazooka (I can't hit a windshield. Probably never could) who happens to enjoy a fun read. If you never take it seriously, it becomes another tool to help you take a nice dump in the morning.
SS.Ahaa, you guys right, but ignore too easy and I cheat e. G. Troll war with the 2 on the kb thread, besides go to the lua more and more these days I am getting old. It does help me take a dump in the morning or in between during the day. Kind of funny, this LB is a real MO feel for who ever gets stuck with him, but it takes all kinds. Be safe brothers and as always watch out for the guys and gals in blue. These young ones no give chance SS.
Light Bringer
08-21-17, 22:09
Lightbringer.... Reading your posts is one of the grossest things I have come across in my several years on this forum. You need to take a step back and realize you are in a weird place mentally with all this and way to cerebral. I scrolled back to earlier posts to see how this started and you need to learn how to talk and interact with people on a more REAL level. Unless you took LSD or some other mind altering drug you should not be speaking the So you finally showed up to put me out of my misery. Complete with mob of angry locals with pitchforks and torches. Here you are. The average monger, the basic John. You are what passes of normal here while I struggle like a fish out of water. This habitat was built for you. Did I understand correctly that you had the idea to rent out a room to a girl in exchange for sexual favors? That is what passes for normal in your mind. To me, it reads like a bit-role bad guy in some shitty Steven Segal move.
The thought of you hoisting yourself onto some woman who you would have otherwise never had access to is like the sight of a giant cockroach feasting on a wedding cake. Someone put their heart and soul into making that cake to celebrate something beautiful. But the wedding never took place, the guests never showed up, and the cake was neglected. And then you come slithering out of some dark hole to feed on what was left behind but never meant for you. If I am quixotic and arrogant, you are vulgar and small-minded. In any environment, you and I would probably always regard each other with mutual disgust.
There are two things that really surprised me during my brief foray into the world of the sex trade. First, I got kinda bored of the actual sex very quickly. Even the worst sex I've had with someone I feel a connection with is surperior by several grades to the best sex I've had with a stranger. I've come to the conclusion that I don't want to change that about myself. The second thing that surprised me is the genuine affection I feel for the working girls I encounter here. These are people that I don't generally come across in my world, and up close I find some of them at stunningly beautiful and complex. I enjoy the time I spend with them, regardless of what takes place. Those two things mean that I will carve a very different path through this underworld, and what I am ultimately guilty of is something very different than you.
There are seven deadly sins. Five of those sins are lowly animal impulses. Wrath, sloth, greed, gluttony and lust. Like a mindless dog looking for the next leg to hump we become something less than human when we are overtaken by the need to satisfy those impulses. There are two sins, however, that are uniquely human. Jealousy and Pride – the most beautiful and dangerous of sins. Try as I might, I can't check those two sins at the door like good monger should. Your flaws make you perfectly at home here. My flaws will drive me insane if I linger here too long. I can't even disguise the cognitive dissonance. But that is for the best. I genuinely like the working girls, but I don't want to get comfortable here. It would be ungraceful of me, however, to head for the easy exit without offering to clean up my equivalent share of the mess on the way out. I wouldn't even call it altruism. To my mind, it is nothing more than not being a gutless asshole.
So you finally showed up to put me out of my misery. Complete with mob of angry locals with pitchforks and torches. Here you are. The average monger, the basic John. You are what passes of normal here while I struggle like a fish out of water. This habitat was built for you. Did I understand correctly that you had the idea to rent out a room to a girl in exchange for sexual favors? That is what passes for normal in your mind. To me, it reads like a bit-role bad guy in some shitty Steven Segal move.
The thought of you hoisting yourself onto some woman who you would have otherwise never had access to is like the sight of a giant cockroach feasting on a wedding cake. Someone put their heart and soul into making that cake to celebrate something beautiful. But the wedding never took place, the guests never showed up, and the cake was neglected. And then you come slithering out of some dark hole to feed on what was left behind but never meant for you. If I am quixotic and arrogant, you are vulgar and small-minded. In any environment, you and I would probably always regard each other with mutual disgust.
There are two things that really surprised me during my brief foray into the world of the sex trade. First, I got kinda bored of the actual sex very quickly. Even the worst sex I've had with someone I feel a connection with is surperior by several grades to the best sex I've had with a stranger. I've come to the conclusion that I don't want to change that about myself. The second thing that surprised me is the genuine affection I feel for the working girls I encounter here. These are people that I don't generally come across in my world, and up close I find some of them at stunningly beautiful and complex. I enjoy the time I spend with them, regardless of what takes place. Those two things mean that I will carve a very different path through this underworld, and what I am ultimately guilty of is something very different than you.
There are seven deadly sins. Five of those sins are lowly animal impulses. Wrath, sloth, greed, gluttony and lust. Like a mindless dog looking for the next leg to hump we become something less than human when we are overtaken by the need to satisfy those impulses. There are two sins, however, that are uniquely human. Jealousy and Pride the most beautiful and dangerous of sins. Try as I might, I can't check those two sins at the door like good monger should. Your flaws make you perfectly at home here. My flaws will drive me insane if I linger here too long. I can't even disguise the cognitive dissonance. But that is for the best. I genuinely like the working girls, but I don't want to get comfortable here. It would be ungraceful of me, however, to head for the easy exit without offering to clean up my equivalent share of the mess on the way out. I wouldn't even call it altruism. To my mind, it is nothing more than not being a gutless asshole.Your level of arrogance is stunning. You talk as if you have reach a higher plain of being like you are Bhudda or something. You just guilt about seeking the services of hookers and are trying to alleviate your guilt by saying,"I'm not like the rest of you".
Stop trying to alleviate your own feelings of guilt by acting like you better. You are not better than any of us or have any kind of suprior level of humanity. We enjoy the girls for what they bring us and we also like them as people. I always get compliments from the girls for being "a nice guy" and that is the most important thing to them. Not all the other platitudes you think you offer them.
Like a mindless dog looking for the next leg to hump we become something less than human when we are overtaken by the need to satisfy those impulses. There are two sins, however, that are uniquely human. Jealousy and Pride the most beautiful and dangerous of sins. Try as I might, I can't check those two sins at the door like good monger should. Your flaws make you perfectly at home here. My flaws will drive me insane if I linger here too long. I can't even disguise the cognitive dissonance. But that is for the best. I genuinely like the working girls, but I don't want to get comfortable here. It would be ungraceful of me, however, to head for the easy exit without offering to clean up my equivalent share of the mess on the way out. I wouldn't even call it altruism. To my mind, it is nothing more than not being a gutless asshole.First what the fuck do you mean "we?" You may become something less than human but I personally prefer physical intimacy without the complications of emotional connection. I know that in your mind that means that I am somehow lacking, or unable to connect on a "higher level" yeah, I've heard it before. To me people like you are unable to raise yourself above the judeo-christian guilt which organized religion has been associating with sex and pleasure since the dark ages.
In any event, you're obviously not here for the pussy so it's time for you to go. I will admit you have been entertaining but with this one you have CLEARLY said you're out, so I'm going to wish you luck and help you out the door.
A2
I also removed the email you had on record with us, mostly because you used a real one not a burner and you won't be able to get back in to delete it.
Incogfilipino
08-22-17, 22:39
A monger arguing about how much he looks down on other mongers, while on a board for mongers. Pot calling the kettle black, indeed. Entertaining, as well.
A monger arguing about how much he looks down on other mongers, while on a board for mongers. Pot calling the kettle black, indeed. Entertaining, as well.Awww, please cum back, we miss you honey!
While I am at it, please cum back too: Joy, The Julie, Hana, Skinny Cindy, Sindee, Hilton. . .
BeastieBoyz
08-23-17, 17:00
There are seven deadly sins. Five of those sins are lowly animal impulses. Wrath, sloth, greed, gluttony and lust. Like a mindless dog looking for the next leg to hump we become something less than human when we are overtaken by the need to satisfy those impulses. There are two sins, however, that are uniquely human. Jealousy and Pride the most beautiful and dangerous of sins. Try as I might, I can't check those two sins at the door like good monger should. Your flaws make you perfectly at home here. My flaws will drive me insane if I linger here too long. I can't even disguise the cognitive dissonance. But that is for the best. I genuinely like the working girls, but I don't want to get comfortable here. It would be ungraceful of me, however, to head for the easy exit without offering to clean up my equivalent share of the mess on the way out. I wouldn't even call it altruism. To my mind, it is nothing more than not being a gutless asshole.Wow. That's the most spectacular exit I've seen in awhile. I don't really get that guy, but have to say he seems different. I can't really tell anyone else apart here LOL we are all one in the same choad. Actually hate to see him go. Watching him savage some of the chubs here was like watching a lion swat down a pack of hyenas until the park ranger finally but him down with a bullet. Too bad for him this is a hyena territory.
Cosmic Kid
08-23-17, 18:27
Since he is no longer present on this board to defend himself, instead of challenging LB directly, what I'd really like to do is comment on a subject he brought up, but I'll attempt to handle this in a general way, in terms of the thought process which was generated for me. It was suggested we hobbyists are being disingenuous, in a sense whitewashing over our sense of guilt, by employing the term "provider" instead of "prostitute". I have found myself wondering about this too, even before LB brought up the subject. Then today I suddenly felt I had gained clarity on this issue. What we are doing isn't whitewashing with a euphemism but instead REFRAMING. A good analogy might be, we no longer use pejorative slang to label people of this or that race or ethnic or religious background, since those terms are loaded with so much historic negative baggage and inaccurate stereotyping. In a similar way, we use the term "providers" to describe the women in the parlors because this is allowing for the creation of a more positive and respectful identity for them as human beings. In his posts, LB used the words "sin" and "vice". Personally I never think in terms of sin and vice. But I admit at times to having felt guilt about stuff I do in the room, call it the physical expression of urges beyond the Western cultural overlay which mentally weighs many of us down. And it's my impression, over years here in Honolulu, that many providers have, not verbally but simply via their nonjudgmental demeanor, educated me and helped me in a profound way to jettison much of my own negative culture-imprinted baggage and programming about sex, so that I can now enjoy my body and her body in much more relaxed, fulfilling and mutually pleasurable ways than I had access to in the past. So, rather than categorizing the women who work in the AMPs as sex-objects or lesser people, instead I tend to view them as teachers of the Zen of sexuality and sensuality. Thank you, awesome teachers: I bow in humble gratitude for your assistance with my spiritual healing. I hope you guys don't think I'm trying for sarcasm here because I am not. I'm absolutely serious in what I just said. Just saying.
BeastieBoyz
08-23-17, 18:37
There are seven deadly sins. Five of those sins are lowly animal impulses. Wrath, sloth, greed, gluttony and lust. Like a mindless dog looking for the next leg to hump we become something less than human when we are overtaken by the need to satisfy those impulses. There are two sins, however, that are uniquely human. Jealousy and Pride the most beautiful and dangerous of sins. Try as I might, I can't check those two sins at the door like good monger should. Your flaws make you perfectly at home here. My flaws will drive me insane if I linger here too long. I can't even disguise the cognitive dissonance. But that is for the best. I genuinely like the working girls, but I don't want to get comfortable here. It would be ungraceful of me, however, to head for the easy exit without offering to clean up my equivalent share of the mess on the way out. I wouldn't even call it altruism. To my mind, it is nothing more than not being a gutless asshole.Wow. That's the most spectacular exit I've seen in awhile. I don't really get that guy, but have to say he seems different. I can't really tell anyone else apart here LOL we are all one in the same choad. Actually hate to see him go. Watching him savage some of the chubs here was like watching a lion swat down a pack of hyenas until the park ranger finally but him down with a bullet. Too bad for him this is a hyena territory.
Light Bringer
08-23-17, 21:15
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I could have swore I got rid of you.
Well, it's done now
A2
Wow. That's the most spectacular exit I've seen in awhile. I don't really get that guy, but have to say he seems different. I can't really tell anyone else apart here LOL we are all one in the same choad. Actually hate to see him go. Watching him savage some of the chubs here was like watching a lion swat down a pack of hyenas until the park ranger finally but him down with a bullet. Too bad for him this is a hyena territory.Here's my take on the guy: he sure liked to mentally masturbate himself in public.
Almost all his posts were about one-upping everyone else. Hey, look at how smart I am. Hey, look at how much money I have. Hey, look at how much more evolved I am. Lots of contempt. Lots of humble bragging.
When I read his posts, it was in the voice of some goth Hot Topic manager who was bullied way too much in high school. "Light Bringer", you see, is another name for Lucifer. Add the references to women who were fallen, fallen angels and a debt to be repaid and you see it wasn't a coincidence. He likened himself to Satan, which is pretty fucking narcissistic (like his writing). I knew a lot of people like him when I ran in those circles. He was a virtual stereotype.
Ultimately, we're all here to give our opinion things in the sex trade. But if you're just pissing people off, you're running counter to that mission. That was his biggest sin.
What we are doing isn't whitewashing with a euphemism but instead REFRAMING. A good analogy might be, we no longer use pejorative slang to label people of this or that race or ethnic or religious background, since those terms are loaded with so much historic negative baggage and inaccurate stereotyping. I think you're overlooking a simpler explanation: hookers, massage parlors and brothels were illegal (and still are, for the most part). Like anything that's illegal, a vocabulary pops up so that people who engage in that activity can talk about it without altering LE. Granted, LE always catches on, but it shifts from being euphemisms to skirt the law to being a way to show you belong in that circle.
BeastieBoyz
08-24-17, 12:34
Your level of arrogance is stunning. You talk as if you have reach a higher plain of being like you are Bhudda or something. You just guilt about seeking the services of hookers and are trying to alleviate your guilt by saying,"I'm not like the rest of you".LOLOLOL "plain". Yeah he is on the plain where the deer and the antelope play. I ain't a smart man, but I can still pick out the stupid ones.
I have a feeling the dude was just toying with us.
LOLOLOL "plain". Yeah he is on the plain where the deer and the antelope play. I ain't a smart man, but I can still pick out the stupid ones.
I have a feeling the dude was just toying with us.Sorry for interrupting your deep intelligent conversation with my worthless thoughts and insights.
Had a session with my ATF since she is leaving tomorrow. I must say after all these years and different places she is like fine wine, only getting better. E#epic session since she might not be back this year or if so later in the year depending on how outside activities fare. I have got to say though she has always been tight but this time, I guess due to the fact of the heat she has been really cautious of who she sees, she was almost a virgin. It is a know fact I am small, not even not big but small, but limping for it was like a sweet honey vice grip for the 40 glorious minutes. Have no idea how I lasted that long. Please don't ask questions. Those of you that understand this post know the answers. Hope you come back soon dear!Whose stats? Whose stats do you want? Tell me. Tell me. Who?
BeastieBoyz
08-25-17, 13:47
Sorry for interrupting your deep intelligent conversation with my worthless thoughts and insights.Stop whining. If you are going to yell at someone for talking down at us as if we are retards, make sure you don't prove him right.
Realdeal808
08-25-17, 20:20
Wow. That's the most spectacular exit I've seen in awhile. I don't really get that guy, but have to say he seems different. I can't really tell anyone else apart here LOL we are all one in the same choad. Actually hate to see him go. Watching him savage some of the chubs here was like watching a lion swat down a pack of hyenas until the park ranger finally but him down with a bullet. Too bad for him this is a hyena territory.Actually he seemed like a guy who couldn't get off unless he felt he was fucking a provider's mind instead of her pussy. This is assuming he wasnt just talking shit the whole time. Personally, I think he was just talking shit the whole time. If his goal was to hook up with an intelligent hooker and to free her from her self-imposed emotional prison, his strategy was to post those cryptic long ass personal ads in this forum in the hope that one would read them and be turned on? Right. Doesn't make much sense to me.
Stop whining. If you are going to yell at someone for talking down at us as if we are retards, make sure you don't prove him right.Fucking right on! That was so damn random! Like WTF gtfoh!
Stop whining. If you are going to yell at someone for talking down at us as if we are retards, make sure you don't prove him right.Ok. I use my phone to post and this site doesn't give much time so I use the auto insert a lot. I didn't know I was being graded on the accuracy of my grammar.
Since he is no longer present on this board to defend himself, instead of challenging LB directly, what I'd really like to do is comment on a subject he brought up, but I'll attempt to handle this in a general way, in terms of the thought process which was generated for me. It was suggested we hobbyists are being disingenuous, in a sense whitewashing over our sense of guilt, by employing the term "provider" instead of "prostitute". I have found myself wondering about this too, even before LB brought up the subject. Then today I suddenly felt I had gained clarity on this issue. What we are doing isn't whitewashing with a euphemism but instead REFRAMING. A good analogy might be, we no longer use pejorative slang to label people of this or that race or ethnic or religious background, since those terms are loaded with so much historic negative baggage and inaccurate stereotyping. In a similar way, we use the term "providers" to describe the women in the parlors because this is allowing for the creation of a more positive and respectful identity for them as human beings. In his posts, LB used the words "sin" and "vice". Personally I never think in terms of sin and vice. But I admit at times to having felt guilt about stuff I do in the room, call it the physical expression of urges beyond the Western cultural overlay which mentally weighs many of us down. And it's my impression, over years here in Honolulu, that many providers have, not verbally but simply via their nonjudgmental demeanor, educated me and helped me in a profound way to jettison much of my own negative culture-imprinted baggage and programming about sex, so that I can now enjoy my body and her body in much more relaxed, fulfilling and mutually pleasurable ways than I had access to in the past. So, rather than categorizing the women who work in the AMPs as sex-objects or lesser people, instead I tend to view them as teachers of the Zen of sexuality and sensuality. Thank you, awesome teachers: I bow in humble gratitude for your assistance with my spiritual healing. I hope you guys don't think I'm trying for sarcasm here because I am not. I'm absolutely serious in what I just said. Just saying.Well said. Thank you sir!!
Ok. I use my phone to post and this site doesn't give much time so I use the auto insert a lot. I didn't know I was being graded on the accuracy of my grammar.Brah winnah beastieboy Nvr shit about your grammar or anything else negative to anything that you had to say or reply back to about what LB was saying. If I'm not mistaken he was just intrigued by his writing. WTF chill winnah pau already if anything you getting all nutz foa nuttin hammah. I think so somebody needs to visit their ATF for blow some steam. Chillax laidat!
Since he is no longer present on this board to defend himself, instead of challenging LB directly, what I'd really like to do is comment on a subject he brought up, but I'll attempt to handle this in a general way, in terms of the thought process which was generated for me. It was suggested we hobbyists are being disingenuous, in a sense whitewashing over our sense of guilt, by employing the term "provider" instead of "prostitute". I have found myself wondering about this too, even before LB brought up the subject. Then today I suddenly felt I had gained clarity on this issue. What we are doing isn't whitewashing with a euphemism but instead REFRAMING. A good analogy might be, we no longer use pejorative slang to label people of this or that race or ethnic or religious background, since those terms are loaded with so much historic negative baggage and inaccurate stereotyping. In a similar way, we use the term "providers" to describe the women in the parlors because this is allowing for the creation of a more positive and respectful identity for them as human beings. In his posts, LB used the words "sin" and "vice". Personally I never think in terms of sin and vice. But I admit at times to having felt guilt about stuff I do in the room, call it the physical expression of urges beyond the Western cultural overlay which mentally weighs many of us down. And it's my impression, over years here in Honolulu, that many providers have, not verbally but simply via their nonjudgmental demeanor, educated me and helped me in a profound way to jettison much of my own negative culture-imprinted baggage and programming about sex, so that I can now enjoy my body and her body in much more relaxed, fulfilling and mutually pleasurable ways than I had access to in the past. So, rather than categorizing the women who work in the AMPs as sex-objects or lesser people, instead I tend to view them as teachers of the Zen of sexuality and sensuality. Thank you, awesome teachers: I bow in humble gratitude for your assistance with my spiritual healing. I hope you guys don't think I'm trying for sarcasm here because I am not. I'm absolutely serious in what I just said. Just saying.Provider as in "Service Provider" in an enlightened society there would be no difference between a prostitute and somebody who cuts hair. They are both skilled professionals that provide a service for a fee.
A2.
Provider as in "Service Provider" in an enlightened society there would be no difference between a prostitute and somebody who cuts hair. They are both skilled professionals that provide a service for a fee.
A2.Funny you should put it that way. In the A's Fan Club thread (named for A's barber shop, with Thai girls), guys have been aspiring to get more than a haircut, and maybe even the next step beyond that (wink). Another thread discussed similar regarding Viet salons. Some of those women can make your hormones rage just like when you were a teenager; bad thing is, they know it :)
Cosmic Kid
08-26-17, 22:43
Here's my take on the guy: he sure liked to mentally masturbate himself in public.
Almost all his posts were about one-upping everyone else. Hey, look at how smart I am. Hey, look at how much money I have. Hey, look at how much more evolved I am. Lots of contempt. Lots of humble bragging.
When I read his posts, it was in the voice of some goth Hot Topic manager who was bullied way too much in high school. "Light Bringer", you see, is another name for Lucifer. Add the references to women who were fallen, fallen angels and a debt to be repaid and you see it wasn't a coincidence. He likened himself to Satan, which is pretty fucking narcissistic (like his writing). I knew a lot of people like him when I ran in those circles. He was a virtual stereotype.
Ultimately, we're all here to give our opinion things in the sex trade. But if you're just pissing people off, you're running counter to that mission. That was his biggest sin.The phrase, "Light Bringer", as pictured by an indigenous culture in the Peruvian Amazon jungle; from the book, "The Three Halves of Ino Moxo", by Cesar Calvo: "The first man in this planet was not a man, he was a woman. Millions of years ago, when Nothing was Everything, from the ashes of a magical tree, a female without memory emerged. From her rib she created I-Am-Who-He-Is, a male equal to, and different from, her. Together they both reached a climax of pleasure, and in that very instant, Light was created. ".
BeastieBoyz
08-27-17, 05:37
That guy was alright. Went out of his way to be nice to nice people. But was savage towards assholes. I think that's fair, but eventually, lowest common denominator rules, and the assholes carry the day. You can just feel it here, lots of resentful jerks and not much thought quality.
Every now and then there will be someone who pops up that is just on a different level. Obvious that they just wandered into this place but don't belong. Admin does them a favor by booting them back into the normal world. All the reptiles who live here don't like it when someone disturbs our monger safe-zone. Let's be clear. Everyone here hides their identities for a reason.
The phrase, "Light Bringer", as pictured by an indigenous culture in the Peruvian Amazon jungle; from the book, "The Three Halves of Ino Moxo", by Cesar Calvo: "The first man in this planet was not a man, he was a woman. Millions of years ago, when Nothing was Everything, from the ashes of a magical tree, a female without memory emerged. From her rib she created I-Am-Who-He-Is, a male equal to, and different from, her. Together they both reached a climax of pleasure, and in that very instant, Light was created. ".
The phrase, "Light Bringer", as pictured by an indigenous culture in the Peruvian Amazon jungle; from the book, "The Three Halves of Ino Moxo", by Cesar Calvo: "The first man in this planet was not a man, he was a woman. Millions of years ago, when Nothing was Everything, from the ashes of a magical tree, a female without memory emerged. From her rib she created I-Am-Who-He-Is, a male equal to, and different from, her. Together they both reached a climax of pleasure, and in that very instant, Light was created. ".The irony of it all. "just follow the boto" ends up being the message. For SHE CREATED the boto. Contemplate that.
That guy was alright. Went out of his way to be nice to nice people. But was savage towards assholes. I think that's fair, but eventually, lowest common denominator rules, and the assholes carry the day. You can just feel it here, lots of resentful jerks and not much thought quality.
Every now and then there will be someone who pops up that is just on a different level. Obvious that they just wandered into this place but don't belong. Admin does them a favor by booting them back into the normal world. All the reptiles who live here don't like it when someone disturbs our monger safe-zone. Let's be clear. Everyone here hides their identities for a reason.I agree with you. Here is the only place that they can speak and feel freely without being looked at with the side eye. Honestly I feel like it proves my point. Hurt people hurt people. I just don't think that half the assholes have the balls to be real about and admit it. To admit is to face it. No one likes to see themselves in the light when they can't even stand themselves in the dark. It is what it is.
ON TO THE NEXT.
I get it guys we are beautiful, we're suductive we bring a fantasy but please keep in mind we are not fucking helpless. We are not all victims nor are we incompetent of surviving. Please keep in mind your emotions are just as valuable as ours so please when playing with us keep that shit bundled. What ever comes out of our mouths take it with a grain of salt or a heaping fucking pile for some. Not every sob story needs to be compensated with your generosity. Before going all in with a pro on a personal level watch her first. Outside of her element. She how she treats people. Listen to how she talks about people. Listen to responds and she watch how she projects herself. In public verses private. You gentleman have more to loose then we do when playing this game so please please tread wisely and cautiously. This is my word of advice to all you out there new and old. I'm sorry I hear too much and it's hurtful to hear. No one deserves to be taken for everything they got just so one person can come up.
And I know you fucking cows reading this. Shame on you bitches! You bitches have no fucking class and that's why your asses will always remain where you are. ***** your sad! It's sad that you have no skill other then playing with and toying with the emotions of someone who genuinely wants to help you. If you incapable of reciprocating a mans feelings then you should have no part to his finances on a permanent level. You give women not just providers a bad name. If you have a certain lavish lifestyle to maintain and are having a hard time then maybe it's time to change the way you live.
Ok I'm done ranting! I'm over it. It's done. . (drops mic walks out of room pulling hairs out).
Realdeal808
08-28-17, 00:37
[Deleted by Admin]
Don't feed the trolls
A2
That guy was alright. Went out of his way to be nice to nice people. But was savage towards assholes. I think that's fair, but eventually, lowest common denominator rules, and the assholes carry the day. You can just feel it here, lots of resentful jerks and not much thought quality.
Every now and then there will be someone who pops up that is just on a different level. Obvious that they just wandered into this place but don't belong. Admin does them a favor by booting them back into the normal world. All the reptiles who live here don't like it when someone disturbs our monger safe-zone. Let's be clear. Everyone here hides their identities for a reason.I beg to differ. The guy was an arrogant missionary type. I will say of the guy that he was creative in his derogatory word play, but that's about all. Just because the braggart named dropped an expensive watch doesn't mean shit. Excuse me while I guzzle my Lafite Rothschild, I like it with ice. Oh perhaps you would find it offensive that I use ice, well seriously who gives a shit what you think and why would you even care? The answer is simple really, in that, typically judgmental types are uncertain or uncomfortable with their own opinions. Want to get to a different level? Try accepting that folks have different opinions AND different reasons for doing what they do.
Are you implying a higher level of thinking or a lower level of not being able to accept that folks are unique and different each in their own way.
Yes, let's be clear. It is so easy to lump folks into one category. "All". "Everybody, "We", "Everyone here" are silly words. You do not speak for me, nor I for you. There are a myriad of reasons why some would come to this site and to simply whitewash with an all inclusive term is just too simplistic at best and (what I call) missionary at worst. I do get tired of judgmental type missionary folks. Perhaps it is, in part, that this country was established by missionary types and indeed we see the ravages of their legacy in these islands, but I like to think that there are a few beacons of light (haha) that are slowly moving away from the oppression of this Christian ethic. Even the "new wave" religions have moved away from the traditional. The Service is now a rock concert. The Offering now goes to expensive toys and parties. Eventually the light of this hypocrisy will shine through for some.
Yes, identities are kept private with good reason (s) too include avoiding giving your name to assholes or snot-nosed 15 year olds, stalkers, hpd, blackmailers, fighters, christian rightists, etc. I think you get the idea. I have met and drink with a few and we have had some pretty good times, but, I'm not sure I would want to know all members of this site. As an aside, a few years back we tried a sort of flash mob scenario in the bars. Basically, it was a bust with less than a dozen showing "colors". However, a few of us did get to know each other as drinking buddies. Enough, not going to change your mind so it's I suppose this is pointless. (Thank you doctor, I feel better now).
SS.
Incogfilipino
08-28-17, 02:34
I beg to differ. The guy was an arrogant missionary type. I will say of the guy that he was creative in his derogatory word play, but that's about all. Just because the braggart named dropped an expensive watch doesn't mean shit. Excuse me while I guzzle my Lafite Rothschild, I like it with ice. Oh perhaps you would find it offensive that I use ice, well seriously who gives a shit what you think and why would you even care? The answer is simple really, in that, typically judgmental types are uncertain or uncomfortable with their own opinions. Want to get to a different level? Try accepting that folks have different opinions AND different reasons for doing what they do.In my experience, the guys who really have money never really flaunt it. I know a multi-millionaire who wears a cheap (by his standards) Citizen watch daily when he has a ton of expensive watches. I know the reason he wears that watch is because it was a present that his son got him with his first paycheck. Very good reason to wear the watch, but if you were to judge him on the watch alone, you wouldn't think he is very rich at all. The guys who try to flaunt wealth by brand names, probably aren't rich most of the time. A lot of that is just trying to impress other people with a brand to gain respect from the brand because they are uncomfortable with themselves and their own ability to earn respect.
I get it guys we are beautiful, we're suductive we bring a fantasy but please keep in mind we are not fucking helpless. We are not all victims nor are we incompetent of surviving. Please keep in mind your emotions are just as valuable as ours so please when playing with us keep that shit bundled. What ever comes out of our mouths take it with a grain of salt or a heaping fucking pile for some. Not every sob story needs to be compensated with your generosity. Before going all in with a pro on a personal level watch her first. Outside of her element. She how she treats people. Listen to how she talks about people. Listen to responds and she watch how she projects herself. In public verses private. You gentleman have more to loose then we do when playing this game so please please tread wisely and cautiously. This is my word of advice to all you out there new and old. I'm sorry I hear too much and it's hurtful to hear. No one deserves to be taken for everything they got just so one person can come up.
And I know you fucking cows reading this. Shame on you bitches! You bitches have no fucking class and that's why your asses will always remain where you are. ***** your sad! It's sad that you have no skill other then playing with and toying with the emotions of someone who genuinely wants to help you. If you incapable of reciprocating a mans feelings then you should have no part to his finances on a permanent level. You give women not just providers a bad name. If you have a certain lavish lifestyle to maintain and are having a hard time then maybe it's time to change the way you live.
Ok I'm done ranting! I'm over it. It's done. . (drops mic walks out of room pulling hairs out).We should just all treat each other like human beings. It's a hard concept for some people. Not every woman is a damsel in distress, not every guy has to be some white knight captain save-a-ho. That's like saying all the women in the industry are victims and being trafficked and what not. Too bad that some people out there don't believe in treating each other like humans. That's when you get guys who don't treat providers with respect and girls just trying to milk guys out, playing with their emotions and what not. Also related, you mention a fantasy. Maybe this guy had a fantasy or a fetish of "saving" someone?
BeastieBoyz
08-28-17, 05:02
Dude your a dumbass. His whole point was that [Deleted by Admin]
LB you're kinda the dumb ass here. After seeing this post it took me about 3 seconds to figure out that this was an Alt user of yours.
You were entertaining for awhile but you wore out your welcome, go find some other forum to troll.
A2
Ok I'm just changing the subject. I feel like I got fucked in the ass paying a 100 bucks to watch this fight. All the hype for a bullshit fight.
Ok I'm just changing the subject. I feel like I got fucked in the ass paying a 100 bucks to watch this fight. All the hype for a bullshit fight.Maybe. Better than this.
Maybe. Better than this.I have no idea why file that I posted disappear.
I meant "bro. There were sillier game here".
-pacquiao vs mayweather.
Ok I'm just changing the subject. I feel like I got fucked in the ass paying a 100 bucks to watch this fight. All the hype for a bullshit fight.A 40 year old 2 years since his last fight and 10 years past his prime who said he stopped sparring in the last month of training camp against a guy making his pro boxing debut. What did you expect? Ali. Frazier?
SamuraiChef
09-03-17, 01:45
A 40 year old 2 years since his last fight and 10 years past his prime who said he stopped sparring in the last month of training camp against a guy making his pro boxing debut. What did you expect? Ali. Frazier?Hope he paid for Canelo / GGG in two weeks. Don't think that fight's going to go the distance either.
A 40 year old 2 years since his last fight and 10 years past his prime who said he stopped sparring in the last month of training camp against a guy making his pro boxing debut. What did you expect? Ali. Frazier?Yeah I never expected anything I just was tired of reading the ongoing banter LOL.
Yeah I never expected anything I just was tired of reading the ongoing banter LOL.Couldn't agree more. I'm just tired of this ongoing banter. Perhaps it could go to the Sports Chat thread?
SS.
Any girls have friends working in Florida and Georgia? Tell your friends come Honolulu to work. Good money and very safe. No hurricanes here and going to be slow while they rebuild. Tell your friends come Honolulu and work.Not only natural disaster but also policr interferrence, hawaii state is relatively safe for working girls.
I said "relatively".
In many part of mainland busts are done in different scale.
For a few days in seattle (some source says only one day) 37 places were shut down and even cops took AMP and operated popular AMP to get male customers. And more than 100 males were arrested and 100 cars, 20 bikes and even one bicycle in parking lot were taken.
Last year in tacoma area cops just arrested any male (if not with kids) in AMP parking lots. Sure guys can start legal process if they want. But what kind of male with decent job and family do that "oh. I was arrested while prostitution busts. But I am innocen please believe in me. If they can be freed leaving no arrest record?
Hawaii state is still man-to-man direcly involved one arrest policy. Only a few counties have that policy in america. (Not sure so please correct if need).
If you without working visa are caught while prostitution busts and you find you have to choose one of these teo.
1. you are just poor stupid victim.
You know it was wrong and wanted to quit it. But your boss warned you "indirect" way. Indirect is very subject term. Saying "do one more man" can be interpret into "forcing sex".
Then USA government will help you. You will get T visa so for two years you will get the legal status to live in and work in america.
And if your help to terminate evil human trafficking, your t visa will be 5 years visa. After that if you show you are a good neighbor you can get green card.
2. Yes you did prostitution only for sending dollars to your country with money laundry. You did that to buy high end brand bags.
That's it.
Nobody forced you.
Ok we will deport you of course you will be sent to arizona detention center. Your government will get american court history as you are a prostitute. Adios.
Hold your employer and hug your boy friends. Who knows you good friends will be in the same prison. Having more friends ub prison is better for your safety cause fucking american prison is filled with strong black mommas and cruel white bitches.
Sometimes harsh choice force you. Just like prisoners' dillema.
And I wonder how much trump administration affects AMP business. Let's be honest. Here we complain of busts. But outside people will they demonstrate to defend undocumneted "providers" as they do for mexian undocumented farm workers?
Governemet may get two easily.
Deporting undocumented ones out of america without people's protest.
When mexican father was deported leaving kids in america people protested for that family.
When undocumneted AMP provider is kicked out, only mongers here protest online, Will not protest "don't deport good sucker fucker".
Harsh truth.
Honolulu808
09-11-17, 15:19
If you without working visa are caught while prostitution busts and you find you have to choose one of these teo.
1. you are just poor stupid victim.
You know it was wrong and wanted to quit it. But your boss warned you "indirect" way. Indirect is very subject term. Saying "do one more man" can be interpret into "forcing sex".
Then USA government will help you. You will get T visa so for two years you will get the legal status to live in and work in america.
And if your help to terminate evil human trafficking, your t visa will be 5 years visa. After that if you show you are a good neighbor you can get green card.
2. Yes you did prostitution only for sending dollars to your country with money laundry. You did that to buy high end brand bags.
That's it.
Nobody forced you.
Ok we will deport you of course you will be sent to arizona detention center. Your government will get american court history as you are a prostitute. Adios.
Hold your employer and hug your boy friends. Who knows you good friends will be in the same prison. Having more friends ub prison is better for your safety cause fucking american prison is filled with strong black mommas and cruel white bitches.
Sometimes harsh choice force you. Just like prisoners' dillema.
And I wonder how much trump administration affects AMP business. Let's be honest. Here we complain of busts. But outside people will they demonstrate to defend undocumneted "providers" as they do for mexian undocumented farm workers?
Governemet may get two easily.
Deporting undocumented ones out of america without people's protest.
When mexican father was deported leaving kids in america people protested for that family.
When undocumneted AMP provider is kicked out, only mongers here protest online, Will not protest "don't deport good sucker fucker".
Harsh truth.Whats stated above is hard cold fact.
Unfortunately company owner risk the fact of having non documented people in their establishments. This site focus in on this line of business but in reality this business is a small pond in the ocean. Restaurants, construction, farming has a lot more problems with illegal aliens. Companies that does not provide the government with I9 forms are looked at a lot. Everyone one of use has filled out a form I9 when hired this is so no illegal aliens are making money.
Another fact is taxes. A some of the girls in this industry don't file for business licenses, as they are independent contractors and bound by law to pay taxes. Couple states has escort taxes while most, including hawaii could file as personal services. So depositing money into bank account, buying cars or homes becomes a red flag if they are not registered with the government. People are saying WTF, it's illegal. Well sex for hire is illegal but personal services is not.
Added note: last weeks ICE check netted 2 females and 1 male.
Added note: last weeks ICE check netted 2 females and 1 male.So the 1 male netted by ICE was a monger? Due to no legal status in US? Thanks.
Honolulu808
09-12-17, 06:41
So the 1 male netted by ICE was a monger? Due to no legal status in US? Thanks.It was not a monger.
The heading for this section is "like beef lolo".
What does "beef lolo" mean? Within the context of this thread, I guessing it means "stupid disagreements". Is my guess correct? Is this an actual common Hawaiian slang phrase?
Thanks in advance.
Honolulu808
09-14-17, 03:17
The heading for this section is "like beef lolo".
What does "beef lolo" mean? Within the context of this thread, I guessing it means "stupid disagreements". Is my guess correct? Is this an actual common Hawaiian slang phrase?
Thanks in advance.Like Beef = want to fight.
Lolo = stupid.
"Like beef lolo" was a common phrase that goes back for generations in hawaii dating back to the 40's and 50's. It is a form of "Pigeon English", with all the different cultures hawaii has a different form of wording was created. Usually this phrase "like beef lolo" is used in a jovial and playful manor.
Here is an example of true pigeon english - "brah give me quada" reply "what, like beef lolo". Translation. Excuse me, can you give me your lunch money ($0. 25), reply, stupid, do you want to fight?
Editorial comment: When I opened this thread I solicited suggestions for a name and this is what the guys using the thread kinda liked. I thought it sounded cool so there it is.
A2
The heading for this section is "like beef lolo".
What does "beef lolo" mean? Within the context of this thread, I guessing it means "stupid disagreements". Is my guess correct? Is this an actual common Hawaiian slang phrase?
Thanks in advance."Beef"=fight. It usually means an actual fist fight, but here, it's a metaphor. "Lolo"= dummy, idiot. The whole phrase is a challenge to fight. This thread was created to keep the personal disputes from cluttering up the report threads.
Cosmic Kid
09-14-17, 18:55
"Beef"=fight. It usually means an actual fist fight, but here, it's a metaphor. "Lolo"= dummy, idiot. The whole phrase is a challenge to fight. This thread was created to keep the personal disputes from cluttering up the report threads.Totally wrong what you said! Lolo no mean "dummy, idiot". Lolo means CRAZY in Hawaiian or pigeon or whatever! What you was thinking? You right and I'm wrong, or I mean to say, I'm right and you are wrong! Oh shit, what difference? Point being, it's you that is one Lolo for even say that, you dummy idiot! So what, you like Beef, Lolo?
HonoluluGirl
09-15-17, 06:33
Whats stated above is hard cold fact.
Unfortunately company owner risk the fact of having non documented people in their establishments. This site focus in on this line of business but in reality this business is a small pond in the ocean. Restaurants, construction, farming has a lot more problems with illegal aliens. Companies that does not provide the government with I9 forms are looked at a lot. Everyone one of use has filled out a form I9 when hired this is so no illegal aliens are making money.
Another fact is taxes. A some of the girls in this industry don't file for business licenses, as they are independent contractors and bound by law to pay taxes. Couple states has escort taxes while most, including hawaii could file as personal services. So depositing money into bank account, buying cars or homes becomes a red flag if they are not registered with the government. People are saying WTF, it's illegal. Well sex for hire is illegal but personal services is not.
Added note: last weeks ICE check netted 2 females and 1 male.Is it true that personal services aren't illegal, or is this a rumor to get escorts to expose themselves. I'm guessing (until I research) that personal services need to be thoroughly explained. People will be required to lie, thus making their services illegal. Because a harsh truth is, honest to goodness in your face prostitution is illegal. Reframe it as "marrying well" and everyone's ok with it. Does anyone but me view the movie Titanic as an escape from forced prostitution?
Is it true that personal services aren't illegal, or is this a rumor to get escorts to expose themselves. I'm guessing (until I research) that personal services need to be thoroughly explained. People will be required to lie, thus making their services illegal. Because a harsh truth is, honest to goodness in your face prostitution is illegal. Reframe it as "marrying well" and everyone's ok with it. Does anyone but me view the movie Titanic as an escape from forced prostitution?Self Employment, 1040 form??
In that case around 30 k cash income a year report, you don't need to prove where you worked for whom you worked, even cpa or irs didn't ask the detail of tax payer's career. Just gave "how much you must pay on due date".
I don't know whether that will be applied when we report more income.
Anyway even drug dealer who had paid tax get relatively generous sentence.
Is it true that personal services aren't illegal, or is this a rumor to get escorts to expose themselves. I'm guessing (until I research) that personal services need to be thoroughly explained. People will be required to lie, thus making their services illegal. Because a harsh truth is, honest to goodness in your face prostitution is illegal. Reframe it as "marrying well" and everyone's ok with it. Does anyone but me view the movie Titanic as an escape from forced prostitution?Here.
https://www.companiontax.com/
Maybe they can help answer your question. If you're on p411 they too will give you a lot of information. If I'm not mistaken you need to get a bznz license and keep strict records of your receipts on what you're spending that you're going to claim as deduction. Like your gas, car etc.
If a lot of girls had more information I'm sure that they would better utilize their money to optimize their end game. Let's be real honest here we can't be doing this forever and there should be absolutely no reason why we can't have a nice retirement saved up legally to rest peacefully. So many girls think their end game is going to be some bznz that they need to invest into but they fail to remember that we are the bznz and that we need to invest into ourselves first before anything else.
But anyway on another note not to change the subject but has anyone ever had hip replacement? Or if your SO may have had it? If so how was the sex? Was sex possible at least 2 months after? Just wondering cause I'm thinking about doing it but want to hear other please experience first to get an idea.
Xoxo JD.
I'm not mistaken you need to get a bznz license and keep strict records of your receipts on what you're spending that you're going to claim as deduction. Like your gas, car etc.
If a lot of girls had more information I'm sure that they would better utilize their money to optimize their end game. Let's be real honest here we can't be doing this forever and there should be absolutely no reason why we can't have a nice retirement saved up legally to rest peacefully. So many girls think their end game is going to be some bznz that they need to invest into but they fail to remember that we are the bznz and that we need to invest into ourselves first before anything else.They would get a ho lotta refund money if paying her pimp was a deduction.
HonoluluGirl
09-18-17, 18:57
They would get a ho lotta refund money if paying her pimp was a deduction.What pimp? I have never worked with anyone, though I have unsuccessfully tried you partner with other providers. Due to my lack of knowledge I only know the stereotypical portrayals of pumps. If these representations are in any way accurate, those who know me know I am ill suited to be taken advantage of or in any way downtrodden. Of course I can't assume that's what pimps do because I don't really know. Just as hobbyists can't assume providers have pimps. I bet we would all learn a lot if we were open to hearing the truth about people's lives. Relying on stereotypes for information does not remedy ignorance and is no substitute for education or research. IMHO. No offense meant.
SureYourRight
09-19-17, 04:12
What pimp? I have never worked with anyone, though I have unsuccessfully tried you partner with other providers. Due to my lack of knowledge I only know the stereotypical portrayals of pumps. If these representations are in any way accurate, those who know me know I am ill suited to be taken advantage of or in any way downtrodden. Of course I can't assume that's what pimps do because I don't really know. Just as hobbyists can't assume providers have pimps. I bet we would all learn a lot if we were open to hearing the truth about people's lives. Relying on stereotypes for information does not remedy ignorance and is no substitute for education or research. IMHO. No offense meant.I don't think he's talking about you specifically but there is a large number of girls (honolulu) here that are working with pimps. Some of them provide protection from guys by staying close by and some just provide car / transport services. I can't say pimps aren't needed because I saw independent girls on the mainland at strip clubs who had stab and / or gunshot wounds. Most often it was inflicted by some angry male for whatever reason.
But anyway on another note not to change the subject but has anyone ever had hip replacement? Or if your SO may have had it? If so how was the sex? Was sex possible at least 2 months after? Just wondering cause I'm thinking about doing it but want to hear other please experience first to get an idea.
Xoxo JD.Wow you're young to need a hip replacement; a very invasive procedure. I'd suggest an initial consultation with an orthopedic surgeon to discuss/evaluate your specific case, prognosis and options.
Hip bionic man stuff come a long way. Some are same day now. Knee and hip great progress. Shoulder not so much.
Wow you're young to need a hip replacement; a very invasive procedure. I'd suggest an initial consultation with an orthopedic surgeon to discuss/evaluate your specific case, prognosis and options.
Wow you're young to need a hip replacement; a very invasive procedure. I'd suggest an initial consultation with an orthopedic surgeon to discuss/evaluate your specific case, prognosis and options.Yeah you. It was recommended that I do it 5 yrs ago but I was too scared cause my son was still toddler and I couldn't be out of commission. But yeah it's from are. A. (Rhuematoid Athritis) I was born with it. It's getting harder to work and I'm starting to feel like a one trick pony if you know what I mean, due to the pain there's only so many styles I can accommodate. Fml! Uggggh.
SureYourRight
09-20-17, 05:46
So I put this in the fight thread just in case anyone gets sensitive about it but I was reading a review someone gave and it was less than amazing (it happens) and another guy was like "Wow man I'm sorry that happened to you the girls are usually super nice and give excellent service I don't know what happened. " and I'm just like. You've been going to that establishment for years. You spend a lot of money there, you know most of the girls there, so of course every experience you have at that place is going to be amazing. I'm sure mamasans give speeches to the girls when they are seeing very regular customers so that the girl can put her best face / effort forward. I was just wondering how often do you regular AMP actually get bad service from the regular AMP girls. I don't mean when you go try out the new girl, I mean do those experienced providers ever give you bad service like you are just a one -night-walk-through instead of the mr dropping 600-800 a week in this place?
So I put this in the fight thread just in case anyone gets sensitive about it but I was reading a review someone gave and it was less than amazing (it happens) and another guy was like "Wow man I'm sorry that happened to you the girls are usually super nice and give excellent service I don't know what happened. " and I'm just like. You've been going to that establishment for years. You spend a lot of money there, you know most of the girls there, so of course every experience you have at that place is going to be amazing. I'm sure mamasans give speeches to the girls when they are seeing very regular customers so that the girl can put her best face / effort forward. I was just wondering how often do you regular AMP actually get bad service from the regular AMP girls. I don't mean when you go try out the new girl, I mean do those experienced providers ever give you bad service like you are just a one -night-walk-through instead of the mr dropping 600-800 a week in this place?I can speak as an expert on this subject because I have 10-peated with many girls. Based on a quick overview in my mind of those experiences, I can think of subpar service with only a few of girls I really like. I would guess maybe 10% or less of the time, but it does happen. Usually, if I have a bad experience with one of my regulars, I just write it off as them having a bad day.
On the other hand, I can think of a lot more experiences where one of my regulars had a great day and I was the beneficiary of that experience as well. The latter happens a lot more than the former.
So I put this in the fight thread just in case anyone gets sensitive about it but I was reading a review someone gave and it was less than amazing (it happens) and another guy was like "Wow man I'm sorry that happened to you the girls are usually super nice and give excellent service I don't know what happened. " and I'm just like. You've been going to that establishment for years. You spend a lot of money there, you know most of the girls there, so of course every experience you have at that place is going to be amazing. I'm sure mamasans give speeches to the girls when they are seeing very regular customers so that the girl can put her best face / effort forward. I was just wondering how often do you regular AMP actually get bad service from the regular AMP girls. I don't mean when you go try out the new girl, I mean do those experienced providers ever give you bad service like you are just a one -night-walk-through instead of the mr dropping 600-800 a week in this place?I think it happens all the time. You start seeing one provider all the time and after they got you hooked they get complacent and take advantage of the situation and service to me goes down a notch. What was once a PSE becomes a semi mixed with GFE the best is to find a number of good providers and put them in a rotation. If you keep seeing one you'll go down in flames falling for her and 2 I highly doubt your experience would be the same. There are exceptions no doubt. But from my experience I like to keep a rotation.
I think it happens all the time. You start seeing one provider all the time and after they got you hooked they get complacent and take advantage of the situation and service to me goes down a notch. What was once a PSE becomes a semi mixed with GFE the best is to find a number of good providers and put them in a rotation. If you keep seeing one you'll go down in flames falling for her and 2 I highly doubt your experience would be the same. There are exceptions no doubt. But from my experience I like to keep a rotation.Good advice. Everyone one of my ATF get lazy after repeated visits. They are still friendly but started to complain about the house or customers. First they skip services (preview, shower, rim,) and then rush the limited services and go straight to cuddling (mean sleep). All the providers turn girlfriends l had told me they don't care for sex and can take it or leave it. It's just a tool to them to make money. By keeping them in rotation might just be the trick to get top service each time.
Naomi at Happiness can be even worse. I got a lecture from her a while back after she saw me with Linda in the shower. She was really upset. What is funny is that she was even suggesting that if I want bigger firmer tits, I should go see Nicole. She said she was her friend and so sweet. So was Naomi upset that I went to see someone she doesn't like? The next time I saw her, during her lecture, I was up front. I like variety. I am a proprietor of 'Old Cow Syndrome'. If I only fuck Naomi. I will get tired of Naomi and then never see her again. If I fuck Naomi on Monday, Linda on Saturday, Yuna the following Thursday, Shiny on Sunday. After 2 or 3 weeks I come back to Naomi, then I never get tired of any of them. The only providers I don't get tired of are Jordan and Sasha (Happiness). They should know the game and not get offended.Before you talk shit about girls you don't know very well, you should be sure nobody can fact check you. I know Naomi really well and nothing about what you posted about her reminded me in any way how she is. So, I asked her about your post. Her first reaction was to blow it off. She didn't care. Then, she said she remembered you. Talk about projection. If you think she gives a shit about who you fuck, you are seriously mistaken. She was pissed at you because you are a fucking liar. Naomi is the most level headed girl I know in the business. She doesn't get tied up emotionally with guys in a good or bad way. She provides her service to the best of her ability and then she moves on. Naomi is the girl I think is least likely to have emotional problems due to this business. Don't read anything in this post believing that Naomi had anything to do with me posting this message. I told her I was going to make this post to set the record straight and she said, "don't bother, it's not worth it. " Her last statement to me was this, "maybe he wants me to get jealous. " That's the truth. The truth of the matter is you wish she cared enough about you to be jealous. I can assure you, she doesn't.
Before you talk shit about girls you don't know very well, you should be sure nobody can fact check you. I know Naomi really well and nothing about what you posted about her reminded me in any way how she is. So, I asked her about your post. Her first reaction was to blow it off. She didn't care. Then, she said she remembered you. Talk about projection. If you think she gives a shit about who you fuck, you are seriously mistaken. She was pissed at you because you are a fucking liar. Naomi is the most level headed girl I know in the business. She doesn't get tied up emotionally with guys in a good or bad way. She provides her service to the best of her ability and then she moves on. Naomi is the girl I think is least likely to have emotional problems due to this business. Don't read anything in this post believing that Naomi had anything to do with me posting this message. I told her I was going to make this post to set the record straight and she said, "don't bother, it's not worth it. " Her last statement to me was this, "maybe he wants me to get jealous. " That's the truth. The truth of the matter is you wish she cared enough about you to be jealous. I can assure you, she doesn't.Many guys believe they are really sexy while they rate women.
Side effect of AMP frequenting.
Girls at AMP they will choose 6' young dude with hot body when they enjoy sex without being paid. I know some girls really do that while vacation. They have account (not for business) in adult friend finder acting they are rich asian men's daughter who can afford "cheap" onmega seamaster 300 special edition for 30 years anniversary. Posting "age 30-35, height over 5'9, well fit guys only".
Their standard outside AMP (when they don't want money form man) is very different.
They may ridicule at this site thinking "oh. Yeah. 200 is huge to you so be picky. ".
For us, she is one of girls for one day's hard working. But for them, we are just one of hubdrrds or thousands atm machines.
I don't say he is fooled.
Just saying we just respect provider as business partner. That is it. And we just had better think it will not be ne if she has someone special ehile business meeting.
Before you talk shit about girls you don't know very well, you should be sure nobody can fact check you. I know Naomi really well and nothing about what you posted about her reminded me in any way how she is. So, I asked her about your post. Her first reaction was to blow it off. She didn't care. Then, she said she remembered you. Talk about projection. If you think she gives a shit about who you fuck, you are seriously mistaken. She was pissed at you because you are a fucking liar. Naomi is the most level headed girl I know in the business. She doesn't get tied up emotionally with guys in a good or bad way. She provides her service to the best of her ability and then she moves on. Naomi is the girl I think is least likely to have emotional problems due to this business. Don't read anything in this post believing that Naomi had anything to do with me posting this message. I told her I was going to make this post to set the record straight and she said, "don't bother, it's not worth it. " Her last statement to me was this, "maybe he wants me to get jealous. " That's the truth. The truth of the matter is you wish she cared enough about you to be jealous. I can assure you, she doesn't.Some popular retired providers too. Some guys still miss them.
They are now happy with SO. Some has very rich husband and sone has not rich but nice husband. They want to delete their past.
And one girl told me. As a woman she will never trust on guy whom she met at AMP. After short term of passion, those guys will look for sex with younger and hotter women blowing bills at AMP while SO is struggling to pay rental and high cost of life in hawaii. They as same women feel sympathy on our SO who don't know our secret affair.
Yeah. There must be some who can get heart from AMP girls. But it is just like getting one night stand sex without paying money in pure animalistic date pool. Is there many who score 80% success in adult date sites or night club here?? Same.
HonoluluGirl
09-20-17, 23:03
I don't know if you're a troll or not, what I do know is many here believe the providers see us only as ATM's and will say and do just about anything to get us to exclusively see only them. Also, many mongers here only see providers as cum buckets. Therefore, both get what they want out of the deal and it's purely business, even if personally the monger might find the provider cool. It's still just business.
You're running into so much friction because you do not have a sympathetic or like minded audience. If you want a hooker with a heart of gold, go find her and live out your days together in bliss. Just about every woman in the Chinese connection at CC is hoping a guy like you will save them. They will jump at the opportunity to leave CC and live a normal life. They hate it there, they want to be married, have children and a husband.
If you're truly serious in your cause, you really don't have to look very far or hard to find it. It's actually pretty easy to accomplish.First of all, it's not for anyone to say if a person is on this site she or he is abnormal. Over the years this mature provider has seen people assume roles and take actions no one in their everyday lives would ever imagine. For example, The world's greatest American male athlete (as the winner of the Olympic decathlon is often called) actually sees himself as a woman, and a normal one. I never saw that one coming, but I have seen so much I once would have labeled abnormal I question my assumptions rather than other people's actions. In short, who do you think you're calling abnormal, "Lightbringer"? Please speak for yourself and work to live up to your chosen name or change it to "CondemnationBringer. " Second, I have yet to find any group that is easily summed up by tired stereotypical platitudes / insults. Yes, providers work to survive. We also work for breasted augmentation. Am I a broken victim? Am I having fun? Am I a user of people who exist in my life to serve my needs after which I promptly discard them? Do I hate mongers? Are hobbyists my friends? At times all of these statements are true except when they're not. Finally, I have a hard time taking people who talk about providers in general seriously when I know these people have never seen me. What would the generalizers think after meeting with this quirky little person?
Cosmic Kid
09-20-17, 23:07
Yeah you. It was recommended that I do it 5 yrs ago but I was too scared cause my son was still toddler and I couldn't be out of commission. But yeah it's from are. A. (Rhuematoid Athritis) I was born with it. It's getting harder to work and I'm starting to feel like a one trick pony if you know what I mean, due to the pain there's only so many styles I can accommodate. Fml! Uggggh.In the "User Blog" section there's a thread titled, "Men's Health". Since there are now some women active on this forum, maybe it's time the name of that thread is changed to simply "Health"? Seems like a more appropriate place for Jenna's question and discussion, but because it is still called "Men's Health", she doesn't have that option. Just saying.
Before you talk shit about girls you don't know very well, you should be sure nobody can fact check you. I know Naomi really well and nothing about what you posted about her reminded me in any way how she is. So, I asked her about your post. Her first reaction was to blow it off. She didn't care. Then, she said she remembered you. Talk about projection. If you think she gives a shit about who you fuck, you are seriously mistaken. She was pissed at you because you are a fucking liar. Naomi is the most level headed girl I know in the business. She doesn't get tied up emotionally with guys in a good or bad way. She provides her service to the best of her ability and then she moves on. Naomi is the girl I think is least likely to have emotional problems due to this business. Don't read anything in this post believing that Naomi had anything to do with me posting this message. I told her I was going to make this post to set the record straight and she said, "don't bother, it's not worth it. " Her last statement to me was this, "maybe he wants me to get jealous. " That's the truth. The truth of the matter is you wish she cared enough about you to be jealous. I can assure you, she doesn't.Some guys don't get it. Its all about the money. The girls don't give a shit who you are but they sure will make you believe that you're the one LOL. So many of us counting myself have fallen for this thievery but bottom line whether the money comes from you or another monger your sorry ass is just a dollar bill. Like the girls say whether it come from you or other guy is same thing. The harsh reality of this. So I concur with goser. Been there done that suck it up and know that you are nothing but cold hard cash. Jealous LOL.
HonoluluGirl
09-21-17, 00:54
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And A2 asks why do you always have to push the envelope and make me be the heavy?
A2
Lonely Smiles
09-21-17, 02:21
I'm curious - why are you going through the Honolulu forums and resurrecting old threads? Threads with the last post 6-7 years ago. On other forums they have a term for this, "necro-ing".
Member #5810
09-21-17, 02:32
I'm curious - why are you going through the Honolulu forums and resurrecting old threads? Threads with the last post 6-7 years ago. On other forums they have a term for this, "necro-ing".Haha, I was wondering the same thing! Actually didn't kow where these came from.
HonoluluGirl
09-24-17, 08:47
I had a whole answer prepared for the administrator's question about the post of mine he had to delete, about how I can never get the hang of social nuance. Even anonymous impersonal interactions are puzzling to me. Then I saw that the message I thought I had deleted was posted. By writing the second post without knowing I had indeed posted the original message, I was, unwittingly, redundant and probably appeared to be on a tear. Sorry about that! How often do you all share my frequent experience of having problems with technology that make you appear less than ok. My lesson to take away is before I assume someone means offense I will give the benefit of the technological doubt, so to speak. I know I need that understanding!
HonoluluGirl
09-24-17, 22:25
As a mature provider I thought I had either done it all, seen it all, or at least knew about it all. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that I learned about a whole new side of sex and discovered an open mindedness I had no idea I lacked--but I sure am glad that I found it. Now I would love to hear from people who found out about something new and either did or didn't like it. I.
As a mature provider I thought I had either done it all, seen it all, or at least knew about it all. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that I learned about a whole new side of sex and discovered an open mindedness I had no idea I lacked--but I sure am glad that I found it. Now I would love to hear from people who found out about something new and either did or didn't like it. I.You cut out at end but details about this discorlvery? A monger helped you find it? What did you discover?
Honolulu Yobo
09-25-17, 16:38
That is why people in the business refer the transactions as gifts. The IRS HAS A $10,000 per person gift exemption.
Of course, the IRS might question why you get so many gifts, from so many people.
But, the 5th Amendment of the Constitution does offer you protection from self-incrimination. So just don't answer any questions. Just tell them you plead the 5th.
Any time the Government requires you to sign anything under the penalty of perjury, just attach a statement that the Constitution protects me from self incrimination per the 5th Amendment. Never sign it. I have done this to jury questionnaires that the State sends me too; I never get any kickback.
Another thing too, if you have a tax preparer do your taxes, never sign the 1040 form and send the return by certified mail, return receipt requested. This gives you proof that you have filed a tax return, and a signature of the person receiving the return. They send me my original return back for my signature, and it goes into the shredder.
Again, not my problem, I did comply with their request to file before the deadline
Is it true that personal services aren't illegal, or is this a rumor to get escorts to expose themselves. I'm guessing (until I research) that personal services need to be thoroughly explained. People will be required to lie, thus making their services illegal. Because a harsh truth is, honest to goodness in your face prostitution is illegal. Reframe it as "marrying well" and everyone's ok with it. Does anyone but me view the movie Titanic as an escape from forced prostitution?.
Darkman808
09-25-17, 18:09
I generally never look at this thread. I can't believe the time and effort some people put into arguing with each other about matters of sex. I also can't believe some opinions from some people about 'the rest of us' that are here.
But it is all rather amusing. The recent inclusion and comments by some female providers, I confess, does add to the discussion. But it's all still amusing.
Brothers (and sisters), I for one am here to have pleasant and enjoyable experience with a woman, that I am not getting in a regular relationship with my SO. I believe that is true for the vast majority of others here on this board. Obviously, there are those without an SO and I believe their desire is fulfilled by seeing a provider. The additional benefit is not having to go through the whole meeting and pick up scene, which hopefully leads to sex at some point.
For the record, I would LIKE to believe that most men here don't see these providers as simply 'cum buckets' and the evidence of that is obvious. Each girl we seek out has their own unique personality and behavior, that adds to the excitement, eh? We are trying to match our specific desire that we individually prefer, to some provider out there that we are "hunting" for. Most of our hunts are not productive, at least on any given night. But when we find the prize, well, how awesome is that!?
If I wanted just a 'cum bucket' I'd stop at any old AMP that does the bait and switch with some fugly hag and drop my load and go. But I don't. Most of us don't. Thus, must of us don't think of providers as 'cum buckets' that we disrespect.
Similarly, while not true for all, but I have to believe that, as a "working girl" the reality is most providers probably do see each customer as a cash machine in the sense that, when THEY deliver the goods, we pay for the service.
Whats wrong with that?
It is, in fact, precisely what we want isn't it? Is it THEIR fault they are providing us with what we want and ask for? Does that mean the provider just sees us as a walking ATM? Maybe. But we choose to use an ATM voluntarily. All the time. We also choose to use a provider, voluntarily, when the spirit moves us, eh? I think its a disparaging remark to state "providers just see us as an ATM", though I would say, there are likely a few out there that truly don't give a hash about their service and WANT us to fuck, blow the load, and get out in less than 15 minutes.
But a savvy provider who knows what she is doing, is successful and in demand that commands a high hourly rate, is first of all, a good business woman. She gets the law of economics. Most average BP girls do not. The bait and switch "Ho's" certainly don't. And most savvy mongers know that too.
Finally, I don't think its a great idea to look at a provider as a potential long term mate. Similarly, the same would be true for a female provider. Both of you meet under a unique set of circumstances, that by any measure normally, is not typical of how relationships are started. You will always wonder if your female friend is sleeping with somebody to make extra cash. It's easy, she's done it before. Why not now. She in turn will see you the same way. You went out and hit the AMP's routinely, why the big deal if you start again after you tire of this girl now?
If you are cruising the Korean bar scene or strip joints or AMPs in hopes of finding the 'right' girl you can take home to meet mom and dad or your friends at work (didn't your friend see her naked too, the other night? You might want to re-evaluate your thinking.
Not to disparage those girls, at all. But they are all working there, now or before, due to a unique set of circumstances in their life. Developing a real long term relationship at that time, isn't the best decision, for either of us. The foreign girls looking for a marriage of convenience is an entirely different affair. Not worthy of another long discussion by itself right now.
Now go out, find a girl and fuck. Have fun.
But stay safe out there boyz. DM.
Sugar has a very bad attitude.You fucking neanderthal. These girls are not objects. They are human beings. When a girl says no to you, you accept that answer and fucking move on.
You fucking neanderthal. These girls are not objects. They are human beings. When a girl says no to you, you accept that answer and fucking move on.Goser is correct, you enter a mutual agreement with the funds you pay for her time, but it is up to the provider what is acceptable or not. If she says no and you persist you are technically committing rape by forcibly having sex with basically a stranger. Mongers should keep this in mind on your next visit. Especially you guys that like it rough or like to choke women almost to death.
LOL, believe what you want. I'm not "estimating" or going off their initial claims. There's no reason to take this so seriously that you need to ask for their drivers license. Who's not going to fuck one of the great providers because they're older than they claim? But if you want, ask any of them and you will see I am right.I have already asked several of them which is why I know that I am right. The only one I am not sure about is Sasha. She told me one age and since she is gone I can't verify her age. The ones I have asked I already have a good and established relationship with, so there is no reason for them to lie to me. Moreover, I can get the exact truth just by pulling a couple of strings which I don't want to do unless I must.
You are the one who claimed at least 3 or 4 of the girls I listed were 30 and one is even 40. I believe strongly that to be false. So much so that I am willing to prove it beyond any reasonable doubt. So, I expect you to list the girls who you believe are over 30 and I will ask them. If you don't, then we know who is in the know and who is full of shit.
You, simpletonk, are totally full of shit.
Cosmic Kid
09-26-17, 22:58
I generally never look at this thread. I can't believe the time and effort some people put into arguing with each other about matters of sex. I also can't believe some opinions from some people about 'the rest of us' that are here.
But it is all rather amusing. The recent inclusion and comments by some female providers, I confess, does add to the discussion. But it's all still amusing.
Brothers (and sisters), I for one am here to have pleasant and enjoyable experience with a woman, that I am not getting in a regular relationship with my SO. I believe that is true for the vast majority of others here on this board. Obviously, there are those without an SO and I believe their desire is fulfilled by seeing a provider. The additional benefit is not having to go through the whole meeting and pick up scene, which hopefully leads to sex at some point.
For the record, I would LIKE to believe that most men here don't see these providers as simply 'cum buckets' and the evidence of that is obvious. Each girl we seek out has their own unique personality and behavior, that adds to the excitement, eh? We are trying to match our specific desire that we individually prefer, to some provider out there that we are "hunting" for. Most of our hunts are not productive, at least on any given night. But when we find the prize, well, how awesome is that!?
If I wanted just a 'cum bucket' I'd stop at any old AMP that does the bait and switch with some fugly hag and drop my load and go. But I don't. Most of us don't. Thus, must of us don't think of providers as 'cum buckets' that we disrespect.
Similarly, while not true for all, but I have to believe that, as a "working girl" the reality is most providers probably do see each customer as a cash machine in the sense that, when THEY deliver the goods, we pay for the service.
Whats wrong with that?
It is, in fact, precisely what we want isn't it? Is it THEIR fault they are providing us with what we want and ask for? Does that mean the provider just sees us as a walking ATM? Maybe. But we choose to use an ATM voluntarily. All the time. We also choose to use a provider, voluntarily, when the spirit moves us, eh? I think its a disparaging remark to state "providers just see us as an ATM", though I would say, there are likely a few out there that truly don't give a hash about their service and WANT us to fuck, blow the load, and get out in less than 15 minutes.
But a savvy provider who knows what she is doing, is successful and in demand that commands a high hourly rate, is first of all, a good business woman. She gets the law of economics. Most average BP girls do not. The bait and switch "Ho's" certainly don't. And most savvy mongers know that too.
Finally, I don't think its a great idea to look at a provider as a potential long term mate. Similarly, the same would be true for a female provider. Both of you meet under a unique set of circumstances, that by any measure normally, is not typical of how relationships are started. You will always wonder if your female friend is sleeping with somebody to make extra cash. It's easy, she's done it before. Why not now. She in turn will see you the same way. You went out and hit the AMP's routinely, why the big deal if you start again after you tire of this girl now?
If you are cruising the Korean bar scene or strip joints or AMPs in hopes of finding the 'right' girl you can take home to meet mom and dad or your friends at work (didn't your friend see her naked too, the other night? You might want to re-evaluate your thinking.
Not to disparage those girls, at all. But they are all working there, now or before, due to a unique set of circumstances in their life. Developing a real long term relationship at that time, isn't the best decision, for either of us. The foreign girls looking for a marriage of convenience is an entirely different affair. Not worthy of another long discussion by itself right now.
Now go out, find a girl and fuck. Have fun.
But stay safe out there boyz. DM.Greetings and Salutations, Noble Warrior! Of your own free will you have chosen, armor clad, to enter this blood-stained gladiator arena known here in Imperial Rome as "Like Beef Lolo?" I for my humble part, sword and lance in hand, consider it an honor to be allowed to confront such a fearless and respected crusader here upon the field of battle. And if the carnage of our confrontation proves too great, let Almighty Caesar Himself (A2) judge the victor. Hail, Caesar! Now, let the games begin!
Adversary mine, you say, "I'm here (having sex with providers) to have an enjoyable experience I'm not getting from my SO. " And, This is) true for the vast majority of others on this board. " Later you say, "I don't think it's a great idea to look at a provider as a potential long term mate. " My challenge to you is, Oh Yeah? First you've basically told us your primary relationship with a woman is a big fail. And not only you, dude, but most of the other cats who contribute to this forum! By any rational definition, if you are not able to get your deep male physical needs met by your woman, then this is a Big Fail; there is simply no other way to slice and dice it. Yeah, well, maybe it is NOT a viable plan for a monger to try and turn his favorite provider into an SO. However, at least it would be a creative experiment; meanwhile seems like what the rest of you motherfuckers be doing, in terms of how you have consciously orchestrated your primary relationships, is patently flat-out NOT WORKING! One definition of insanity is, doing the same fucking thing over and over again and expecting a different result. In fact I believe you when you say (and you did say this) that your relationship with your SO doesn't work and it doesn't work for most other guys here. And I have to say, you guys inspire me to totally want to try something different, like get something going with a provider, just to experiment with a unique approach to the problem of formulating a viable, durable sexual / love relationship with a woman.
Cosmic out.
I have already asked several of them which is why I know that I am right. The only one I am not sure about is Sasha. She told me one age and since she is gone I can't verify her age. The ones I have asked I already have a good and established relationship with, so there is no reason for them to lie to me. Moreover, I can get the exact truth just by pulling a couple of strings which I don't want to do unless I must.
You are the one who claimed at least 3 or 4 of the girls I listed were 30 and one is even 40. I believe strongly that to be false. So much so that I am willing to prove it beyond any reasonable doubt. So, I expect you to list the girls who you believe are over 30 and I will ask them. If you don't, then we know who is in the know and who is full of shit.
You, simpletonk, are totally full of shit.LOL It's amazing how much of a fucking loser you are. Gettin all butt hurt because I'm staring the truth about their age. What does it even matter to you? Oh yeah, you're the sorry loser "uncles" always hanging around. Most of the girls think you guys are a bunch of losers to begin with. Yes, you guys are nice and yes, they are nice to you guys. They appreciate when you bring snacks and all that other shit. But the girls do think you guys are a bunch of sorry ass losers. Why don't you ask them about that?
How do I know? Because besides telling me their real age, they also told me that too. Now if I am correct about you sorry old fucks bringing snacks and Lounging around the kitchen, don't you think I'm correct about the age thing too? LOL, was it you that also bought a cake for someone's birthday? And look at you going all white knight in here about the guy complaining about sugar. Like what can you really do?
ClintonPortis
09-27-17, 01:14
I have already asked several of them which is why I know that I am right. The only one I am not sure about is Sasha. She told me one age and since she is gone I can't verify her age. The ones I have asked I already have a good and established relationship with, so there is no reason for them to lie to me. Moreover, I can get the exact truth just by pulling a couple of strings which I don't want to do unless I must.
You are the one who claimed at least 3 or 4 of the girls I listed were 30 and one is even 40. I believe strongly that to be false. So much so that I am willing to prove it beyond any reasonable doubt. So, I expect you to list the girls who you believe are over 30 and I will ask them. If you don't, then we know who is in the know and who is full of shit.
You, simpletonk, are totally full of shit.You're a great contributor but you're really getting bent out of shape and overreacting over this. The golden rule is to add 8-15 years to estimates of a girl's age or what the girl claims to be. 28 years old equals 38 years old. 33 years old equals 45 years old. 21 years old equals 30 years old. Rinse and repeat. No need to get so salty and defensive. Mongers who love those providers arent going to stop seeing them just cause they're older than what they appear or claim to be.
HonoluluGirl
09-27-17, 08:36
When I was growing up it was considered bad form to ask a woman her age and no woman was expected to tell it. This protocol seems to be out the window. When you lie about your age you run the risk of mongers thinking if that's your real age then you've obviously been rode hard and put up wet. In other words, you're not aging well. I knew one person who tacked 10 years onto her age so people would marvel at how good she looks. I'm a mature provider and easily the most fit woman I know of any age, and if I am wrong tell me who holds the title so I can learn from her. I think those of us who age well can be inspirations. Look at Christie Brinkley. I don't remember any woman in her 60's looking like that. And there are mongers who like maturity. One thing I have learned is there is indeed a lid for every pot. Lying about your age hides you from people looking for someone just like you.
SureYourRight
09-27-17, 12:12
LOL It's amazing how much of a fucking loser you are. Gettin all butt hurt because I'm staring the truth about their age. What does it even matter to you? Oh yeah, you're the sorry loser "uncles" always hanging around. Most of the girls think you guys are a bunch of losers to begin with. Yes, you guys are nice and yes, they are nice to you guys. They appreciate when you bring snacks and all that other shit. But the girls do think you guys are a bunch of sorry ass losers. Why don't you ask them about that?
How do I know? Because besides telling me their real age, they also told me that too. Now if I am correct about you sorry old fucks bringing snacks and Lounging around the kitchen, don't you think I'm correct about the age thing too? LOL, was it you that also bought a cake for someone's birthday? And look at you going all white knight in here about the guy complaining about sugar. Like what can you really do?A man who pays for sex calling another man who pays for sex a loser because he tries to establish some type of rapport with the women he has sex with (He tries to treat them like actual human beings).
Lonely Smiles
09-27-17, 14:09
LOL It's amazing how much of a fucking loser you are. Gettin all butt hurt because I'm staring the truth about their age. What does it even matter to you? Oh yeah, you're the sorry loser "uncles" always hanging around. Most of the girls think you guys are a bunch of losers to begin with. Yes, you guys are nice and yes, they are nice to you guys. They appreciate when you bring snacks and all that other shit. But the girls do think you guys are a bunch of sorry ass losers. Why don't you ask them about that?
How do I know? Because besides telling me their real age, they also told me that too. Now if I am correct about you sorry old fucks bringing snacks and Lounging around the kitchen, don't you think I'm correct about the age thing too? LOL, was it you that also bought a cake for someone's birthday? And look at you going all white knight in here about the guy complaining about sugar. Like what can you really do?Since we are pulling anecdotal evidence out of a hat, in my experience, the girls rarely gossip to me about guys being decent human beings. Most of my ATFs genuinely enjoyed their good customers. And usually "good customer" had little to do with looks or age and much more to do with respect, treatment, good hygiene, and good tips. It is difficult for any business, whether its an AMP or a bank, to sustain for long if they dislike all of their customers.
What the girls do complain about are specific instances of abuse, verbal or physical, when someone lies about them, demanding customers, and dirty customers. Why so salty about guys in the kitchen? For someone who claims to have good rapport with the girls, perhaps thou doth protest too much.
I really don't care what age the girl is as long they look good. Dallas is 39? I don't care she looks 20 something and hot to me. If they look so old that they are unappealing, I won't repeat.
HornyBoy13
09-27-17, 14:38
LOL It's amazing how much of a fucking loser you are. Gettin all butt hurt because I'm staring the truth about their age. What does it even matter to you? Oh yeah, you're the sorry loser "uncles" always hanging around. Most of the girls think you guys are a bunch of losers to begin with. Yes, you guys are nice and yes, they are nice to you guys. They appreciate when you bring snacks and all that other shit. But the girls do think you guys are a bunch of sorry ass losers. Why don't you ask them about that?
How do I know? Because besides telling me their real age, they also told me that too. Now if I am correct about you sorry old fucks bringing snacks and Lounging around the kitchen, don't you think I'm correct about the age thing too? LOL, was it you that also bought a cake for someone's birthday? And look at you going all white knight in here about the guy complaining about sugar. Like what can you really do?They really think we are losers Simple K? That's kinda hurt my feelings. I thought these girls like me for me not for my money. Maybe it's just business for them.
A man who pays for sex calling another man who pays for sex a loser because he tries to establish some type of rapport with the women he has sex with (He tries to treat them like actual human beings).I think there's a difference between someone who goes there to pay for sex and has sex and leaves it at that than people who go there to pay for sex and take that shit way too serious and personal.
Since we are pulling anecdotal evidence out of a hat, in my experience, the girls rarely gossip to me about guys being decent human beings. Most of my ATFs genuinely enjoyed their good customers. And usually "good customer" had little to do with looks or age and much more to do with respect, treatment, good hygiene, and good tips. It is difficult for any business, whether its an AMP or a bank, to sustain for long if they dislike all of their customers.
What the girls do complain about are specific instances of abuse, verbal or physical, when someone lies about them, demanding customers, and dirty customers. Why so salty about guys in the kitchen? For someone who claims to have good rapport with the girls, perhaps thou doth protest too much.What you said made no sense. So what if I have good rapport with the girls and ate in the kitchen. I'm not going to go all white knight on an Internet forum and get butt hurt when someone says truth or lies about the girls.
I'm not talking about good or bad customer. LOL, you probably don't even know what I'm talking about. You have these "regulars" go to happiness and act like it's Starbucks. And half the time they go, they don't even participate in sex. Just lounge around the kitchen and of course the girls are going to act nice. But goser takes that shit way too serious. I think one of the uncles even bakes cookies for the girls too LOL!
You're a great contributor but you're really getting bent out of shape and overreacting over this. The golden rule is to add 8-15 years to estimates of a girl's age or what the girl claims to be. 28 years old equals 38 years old. 33 years old equals 45 years old. 21 years old equals 30 years old. Rinse and repeat. No need to get so salty and defensive. Mongers who love those providers arent going to stop seeing them just cause they're older than what they appear or claim to be.That's exactly what I'm saying. There's another very popular provider who people think are high 20-low 30 age range. I went and saw her and had a good time, repeated a few times and later found out she's in her mid 40's. But that's not going to stop me from seeing her if I Think she's hot as fuck.
Most of the girls think you guys are a bunch of losers to begin with. Yes, you guys are nice and yes, they are nice to you guys. They appreciate when you bring snacks and all that other shit. But the girls do think you guys are a bunch of sorry ass losers. Why don't you ask them about that?I've had providers young and old look at me and have "Gawd, what a fuggen looza..." stamped on their face. Stands to reason, since not all mongers are going to be studly beefcakes; girls have to deal with all kinds (in every way). I just do as Lonely Smiles describes re: treating the girls well. I don't presume to be something I'm not (eg. studly beefcake); I am just a caveman. If the girl is hating on me, I take my bag of money elsewhere. Just my 2 pebbles.
I've had providers young and old look at me and have "Gawd, what a fuggen looza..." stamped on their face. Stands to reason, since not all mongers are going to be studly beefcakes; girls have to deal with all kinds (in every way). I just do as Lonely Smiles describes re: treating the girls well. I don't presume to be something I'm not (eg. studly beefcake); I am just a caveman. If the girl is hating on me, I take my bag of money elsewhere. Just my 2 pebbles.I'm not talking about their customers in general. I'm talking about the group of "uncles" (senior citizens) that goes to happiness to just lounge in the kitchen and act like he's the popular guy in school. You know like when they make a lame joke and the girls all pretend to laugh. I'm talking about those guys. The same guys that come to the Internet forum to be a white knight whenever anyone writes a bad review. Because when they defend the girl here, they go back to the kitchen to announce how they defended the girl to earn those brownie points. That's who I am talking about.
LOL, goser did you make that chocolate chip cookie with kaki mochi? It was pretty good, interesting with the sweet and salty.
SureYourRight
09-28-17, 11:33
I think there's a difference between someone who goes there to pay for sex and has sex and leaves it at that than people who go there to pay for sex and take that shit way too serious and personal.The difference is only in YOUR mind. It certainly isn't in the mind of any provider. She's faking it for him just like she's faking it for you.
Darkman808
09-28-17, 15:01
Greetings and Salutations, Noble Warrior! Of your own free will you have chosen, armor clad, to enter this blood-stained gladiator arena known here in Imperial Rome as "Like Beef Lolo?" I for my humble part, sword and lance in hand, consider it an honor to be allowed to confront such a fearless and respected crusader here upon the field of battle. And if the carnage of our confrontation proves too great, let Almighty Caesar Himself (A2) judge the victor. Hail, Caesar! Now, let the games begin!
Adversary mine, you say, "I'm here (having sex with providers) to have an enjoyable experience I'm not getting from my SO. " And, This is) true for the vast majority of others on this board. " Later you say, "I don't think it's a great idea to look at a provider as a potential long term mate. " My challenge to you is, Oh Yeah? First you've basically told us your primary relationship with a woman is a big fail. And not only you, dude, but most of the other cats who contribute to this forum! By any rational definition, if you are not able to get your deep male physical needs met by your woman, then this is a Big Fail; there is simply no other way to slice and dice it. Yeah, well, maybe it is NOT a viable plan for a monger to try and turn his favorite provider into an SO. However, at least it would be a creative experiment; meanwhile seems like what the rest of you motherfuckers be doing, in terms of how you have consciously orchestrated your primary relationships, is patently flat-out NOT WORKING! One definition of insanity is, doing the same fucking thing over and over again and expecting a different result. In fact I believe you when you say (and you did say this) that your relationship with your SO doesn't work and it doesn't work for most other guys here. And I have to say, you guys inspire me to totally want to try something different, like get something going with a provider, just to experiment with a unique approach to the problem of formulating a viable, durable sexual / love relationship with a woman.
Cosmic out.Good job kid!
When I said. "I for one am here to have pleasant and enjoyable experience with a woman, that I am not getting in a regular relationship with my SO. " I meant that is a rhetorical sense. Nevertheless, your point is well taken. Nice job on the writing by the way.
My motivation on this whole post was another monger making the statement that "we all think of these chicks as cum buckets" and some other comments that I was offended by. I'm certain the females reading this board didn't dig it either. I attempted, perhaps poorly, to rectify that post by simply saying something a bit more honest and positive about our collective mongering efforts.
Your facts as stated are all correct, I agree in large part, and you made your point without invoking attitude and wrath. I commend you!
Finally, we are all men with our own faults, with unique circumstances (each of us) that compels us to go out and be with women that we otherwise, would never know or be with. The proverbial passing of two ships in the night. I accept that situation I have found myself in and like others, live with it. I attempt to enjoy it at all times and do so without harming the provider I am with physically or emotionally. Even if she did provide shitty service. I don't make a big deal about it, I just leave.
But I do come here to this board and pass that experience on to my fellow mongers. THAT is a good thing.
EroticaFan
09-28-17, 17:47
Greetings and Salutations, Noble Warrior! Of your own free will you have chosen, armor clad, to enter this blood-stained gladiator arena known here in Imperial Rome as "Like Beef Lolo?" I for my humble part, sword and lance in hand, consider it an honor to be allowed to confront such a fearless and respected crusader here upon the field of battle. And if the carnage of our confrontation proves too great, let Almighty Caesar Himself (A2) judge the victor. Hail, Caesar! Now, let the games begin!
Adversary mine, you say, "I'm here (having sex with providers) to have an enjoyable experience I'm not getting from my SO. " And, This is) true for the vast majority of others on this board. " Later you say, "I don't think it's a great idea to look at a provider as a potential long term mate. " My challenge to you is, Oh Yeah? First you've basically told us your primary relationship with a woman is a big fail. And not only you, dude, but most of the other cats who contribute to this forum! By any rational definition, if you are not able to get your deep male physical needs met by your woman, then this is a Big Fail; there is simply no other way to slice and dice it. Yeah, well, maybe it is NOT a viable plan for a monger to try and turn his favorite provider into an SO. However, at least it would be a creative experiment; meanwhile seems like what the rest of you motherfuckers be doing, in terms of how you have consciously orchestrated your primary relationships, is patently flat-out NOT WORKING! One definition of insanity is, doing the same fucking thing over and over again and expecting a different result. In fact I believe you when you say (and you did say this) that your relationship with your SO doesn't work and it doesn't work for most other guys here. And I have to say, you guys inspire me to totally want to try something different, like get something going with a provider, just to experiment with a unique approach to the problem of formulating a viable, durable sexual / love relationship with a woman.
Cosmic out.So you want to seek a serious relationship with a woman who fucks other men for money? That would require you to completely trust her when she tells you that you are the only one she loves and that either she is still fucking other guys just for money or you have convinced her to quit the business at that point. Which would STILL require you to trust that she is not secretly boning others on the side. My question is: why subject yourself to this potentially heart-wrenching ordeal? If you have the resources and wherewithal to pull this off, why not seek a relationship with a non-pro? It would seem to have much less risk than looking for a viable relationship with someone who fucks guys for a living. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think the likelihood for emotional and financial pain is extremely high. Are you somehow incapable of cultivating a relationship with a "regular civilian? If so, then I understand why you would take this approach to romance.
SureYourRight
09-28-17, 21:06
So you want to seek a serious relationship with a woman who fucks other men for money? That would require you to completely trust her when she tells you that you are the only one she loves and that either she is still fucking other guys just for money or you have convinced her to quit the business at that point. Which would STILL require you to trust that she is not secretly boning others on the side. My question is: why subject yourself to this potentially heart-wrenching ordeal? If you have the resources and wherewithal to pull this off, why not seek a relationship with a non-pro? It would seem to have much less risk than looking for a viable relationship with someone who fucks guys for a living. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think the likelihood for emotional and financial pain is extremely high. Are you somehow incapable of cultivating a relationship with a "regular civilian? If so, then I understand why you would take this approach to romance.No offense but most of you guys are too insecure to date working girls. You talk about having to trust she's not fucking other men or doing guys on the side or taking on extra clients. What does her work have to do with you? Are you her boss? Nope, you are her boyfriend, the boyfriend she met while you were paying money to fuck her. That means you two don't have a regular boyfriend / girlfriend relationship. That means you knew she was screwing other men when you found her / met her / dated her. Why would you assume she is going to throw away her job (or meet less clients) just because you showed up? If you have a problem with her fucking other guys, meeting other guys, or doing anything else with other guys then walk away. Save her and yourself the time and walk the fuck away. You aren't secure enough in yourself to be with this woman. You are worried another guy will "steal" her away because he has more money / better looks / or he's a better fuck. You are going to pour these insecurities into her during the relationship and that awesome girl you were dating is going to turn into a complete ***** because you can't get a handle on your own feelings (and she's tired of you whining at her every time she goes out to make money). You don't need to completely trust this girl. Are you unable to attract another woman? Is this the only woman in the world that you could snag? Who says that you won't leave her for another girl? You have enough money to pay attract women for sex and you obviously bagged one already (You've at least got some game). Why couldn't you replace her just as easily with another girl that is younger / hotter / a better fuck? I didn't even really want to post this but I see so many post from guys that took a risk with a working girl and then got tons of shitty insecure advice from guys here. You don't need a lot of money to pull a working girl, but if you do pull one you aren't going to keep her by setting "rules" for her to follow and steadily trying to pressure her into quitting the industry. This isn't a regular relationship. Stop trying to put square pegs into round holes.
EroticaFan
09-28-17, 23:16
No offense but most of you guys are too insecure to date working girls. You talk about having to trust she's not fucking other men or doing guys on the side or taking on extra clients. What does her work have to do with you? Are you her boss? Nope, you are her boyfriend, the boyfriend she met while you were paying money to fuck her. That means you two don't have a regular boyfriend / girlfriend relationship. That means you knew she was screwing other men when you found her / met her / dated her. Why would you assume she is going to throw away her job (or meet less clients) just because you showed up? If you have a problem with her fucking other guys, meeting other guys, or doing anything else with other guys then walk away. Save her and yourself the time and walk the fuck away. You aren't secure enough in yourself to be with this woman. You are worried another guy will "steal" her away because he has more money / better looks / or he's a better fuck. You are going to pour these insecurities into her during the relationship and that awesome girl you were dating is going to turn into a complete ***** because you can't get a handle on your own feelings (and she's tired of you whining at her every time she goes out to make money). You don't need to completely trust this girl. Are you unable to attract another woman? Is this the only woman in the world that you could snag? Who says that you won't leave her for another girl? You have enough money to pay attract women for sex and you obviously bagged one already (You've at least got some game). Why couldn't you replace her just as easily with another girl that is younger / hotter / a better fuck? I didn't even really want to post this but I see so many post from guys that took a risk with a working girl and then got tons of shitty insecure advice from guys here. You don't need a lot of money to pull a working girl, but if you do pull one you aren't going to keep her by setting "rules" for her to follow and steadily trying to pressure her into quitting the industry. This isn't a regular relationship. Stop trying to put square pegs into round holes.I guess it comes down to each individual's definition of a "viable, durable, sexual / love relationship". Yes I agree that this would not be a regular relationship, but it sounded like CK's desire was more involved than just dating a provider. It sounds like he is referring to a more serious relationship since he used the word "love. ". Again, that means different things to different people but for me such a relationship would involve way more trust than one where only "dating" was involved. In other words, if I took the attitude that a provider and I were just "dating", I would have NO problem with her fucking other guys. However if I wanted to be in a more serious situation involving the L word, that would be more complicated.
SureYourRight
09-29-17, 01:29
I guess it comes down to each individual's definition of a "viable, durable, sexual / love relationship". Yes I agree that this would not be a regular relationship, but it sounded like CK's desire was more involved than just dating a provider. It sounds like he is referring to a more serious relationship since he used the word "love. ". Again, that means different things to different people but for me such a relationship would involve way more trust than one where only "dating" was involved. In other words, if I took the attitude that a provider and I were just "dating", I would have NO problem with her fucking other guys. However if I wanted to be in a more serious situation involving the L word, that would be more complicated.I see your point and I honestly think that's where the disconnection occurs in these relationships. Most men would expect a working girl to start making a transition out of the profession once the relationship reaches a certain point (love), but when you look at it deep down that "feeling" is the exact same insecurity and fear that might have occurred at the beginning of the relationship. It feels like the guys trying to date these girls are looking at the situation in a way that states:"Once I've shown a great enough commitment to her, she'll be willing to stop providing and we can have a normal life. " It's just a long version of the square peg / round hole game instead of the immediate knee jerk reaction that occurs when you do start seeing one of these girls and you find out she is still doing other customers. If CK's desired to get more involved with these women then he has to accept that her providing should have nothing to do with their relationship, because that's her job and this relationship is something else. If a guy can't see that (and again most can't) then he should walk. In fact I'd go so far to say that if you are thinking about pursuing a working girl and you imagine (hope / dream) that she'll stop providing down the line (once you two get serious), that you just go ahead and walk away because I'm 90% sure you are just going to get your feelings hurt.
EroticaFan
09-29-17, 01:48
It's just a long version of the square peg / round hole game instead of the immediate knee jerk reaction that occurs when you do start seeing one of these girls and you find out she is still doing other customers. If CK's desired to get more involved with these women then he has to accept that her providing should have nothing to do with their relationship, because that's her job and this relationship is something else. If a guy can't see that (and again most can't) then he should walk. In fact I'd go so far to say that if you are thinking about pursuing a working girl and you imagine (hope / dream) that she'll stop providing down the line (once you two get serious), that you just go ahead and walk away because I'm 90% sure you are just going to get your feelings hurt.Agreed. That was exactly my point to him. The risk he would be undertaking emotionally and financially IMHO would be huge and unless he is willing to risk that personal capital it would be foolish to try in the first place.
HonoluluGirl
09-30-17, 01:41
Agreed. That was exactly my point to him. The risk he would be undertaking emotionally and financially IMHO would be huge and unless he is willing to risk that personal capital it would be foolish to try in the first place.In the previous century, when men got serious about women it was expected that they marry. She would quit her job and he supported the family. History has shown that people rebelled against this strict expectation and society's norms changed. Certainly many of this site's participants are non-conformists who might not find tradition alluring. Nevertheless, a hobbyist does have the option of taking over as a provider's financial support. Young women used to mark time in jobs waiting for wedding bells to ring. I don't know of any provider who seriously plans to have a hobbyist, perhaps one she has yet to meet, take her away from all this. However I must say, if a hobbyist was serious enough to support her, even if they don't marry, he could reasonably expect her to quit her job, IMHO. Another option is to get to the root of why she works (lack of employment, let's say), and solve the problem (hook her up with a job, for example.). Those who have real feelings need to know that scammers often, quite often in fact, use the line "we are friends" to demand free services. Don't take it personally if she does not rush into your arms out of skepticism.
The thought of actually falling in love always comes up and it really hits some harder than others. I've been there done that and actually am really good friends with a lot of seasoned providers. My take on this is don't ever fall in love unless you have an unlimited bankroll that will not dry up. These are professionals at what they do and Honey come see me or honey I love you is one of the lines to think you're the one. I will say and say again all of us are just dollar signs. After our session is done its on to the next one. Realistically how can a girl get into a relationship when she's fucking 10 guys a day. What sane girl would do that? You can say that she is just doing the others for money and you are the "special" one. I think you have to be realistic about the whole situation and the only way a relationship will work is to have this provider quit what she's doing and you provide for her. I can bet my last dollar that as soon as you quit providing the odds of her staying with you are zero to none. Come on. These girls are making tons of money and what makes you think they will give this up? Just remember professional holes laughing to the bank. The best way to get around this is to get a good rotation going of lots of girls. With what's out there you can get a damn good rotation going. Isn't this what all of us are going to MPs for? To fuck our brains out. Well that's my personal take. I'm not going there to find a girl to take home to Mama.
EroticaFan
09-30-17, 18:38
The thought of actually falling in love always comes up and it really hits some harder than others. I've been there done that and actually am really good friends with a lot of seasoned providers. My take on this is don't ever fall in love unless you have an unlimited bankroll that will not dry up. These are professionals at what they do and Honey come see me or honey I love you is one of the lines to think you're the one. I will say and say again all of us are just dollar signs. After our session is done its on to the next one. Realistically how can a girl get into a relationship when she's fucking 10 guys a day. What sane girl would do that? You can say that she is just doing the others for money and you are the "special" one. I think you have to be realistic about the whole situation and the only way a relationship will work is to have this provider quit what she's doing and you provide for her. I can bet my last dollar that as soon as you quit providing the odds of her staying with you are zero to none. Come on. These girls are making tons of money and what makes you think they will give this up? Apparently CK is inspired by the challenge of successfully developing a love / sexual relationship with a provider. So after rethinking it, I now am retracting my previous position on the matter. CK- THROW CAUTION TO THE WIND! I say go for it! I would love to be a sideline spectator in your mission / experiment. So just do it and be sure to provide updates on your progress right here in this forum! It would be the most followed reality show in Honolulu- Providers in Paradise!!! Look forward to your posts! By the way, where are you CK? You've been curiously silent on this.
In the previous century, when men got serious about women it was expected that they marry. She would quit her job and he supported the family. History has shown that people rebelled against this strict expectation and society's norms changed. Certainly many of this site's participants are non-conformists who might not find tradition alluring. Nevertheless, a hobbyist does have the option of taking over as a provider's financial support. Young women used to mark time in jobs waiting for wedding bells to ring. I don't know of any provider who seriously plans to have a hobbyist, perhaps one she has yet to meet, take her away from all this. However I must say, if a hobbyist was serious enough to support her, even if they don't marry, he could reasonably expect her to quit her job, IMHO. Another option is to get to the root of why she works (lack of employment, let's say), and solve the problem (hook her up with a job, for example.). Those who have real feelings need to know that scammers often, quite often in fact, use the line "we are friends" to demand free services. Don't take it personally if she does not rush into your arms out of skepticism.I found that most provider l know could easily have a man take care of them even before they go into the business. Most tell me they don't trust men and don't want to be control by them. They are not waiting for the white knights that most guys tried to be. They have issues and they are not who they pretends to be. Save yourself some heartache and lots of money, keep the relationship on a business level.
I found that most provider l know could easily have a man take care of them even before they go into the business. Most tell me they don't trust men and don't want to be control by them. They are not waiting for the white knights that most guys tried to be. They have issues and they are not who they pretends to be. Save yourself some heartache and lots of money, keep the relationship on a business level.Someone else also commented on that, mentioning that they therefore have small dogs. Their pets are quite beautiful and friendly.
Someone else also commented on that, mentioning that they therefore have small dogs. Their pets are quite beautiful and friendly.Most top tier girls have pets. That's their true companion. You are just a means to an end. They need your money or professional skills (not your sexual skill) I know there's going to be hundreds of kind hearted white knights who's going to try to prove me wrong. The "anything could happen" or "you never know" camp. Just make sure your family responsibilities are taken care of first. To the one who about to die, l salute you.
Most top tier girls have pets. That's their true companion. You are just a means to an end. They need your money or professional skills (not your sexual skill) I know there's going to be hundreds of kind hearted white knights who's going to try to prove me wrong. The "anything could happen" or "you never know" camp. Just make sure your family responsibilities are taken care of first. To the one who about to die, l salute you.For example. A lawyer customer who will do free job when top provider will set up her own AMP business.
Doctor customer who may give oxcodone prescription.
Or.
Shop owner who will give fake w-2 form for her safe bank deposit.
Free driver who will happily carry "undocumented foreign prostitutes-of course in the worst case frderal gov may think it as cooperative immgration fraud / sex trafficking activity-.
Such things?
Anyway. One lawyer helped one top girl's setting AMP business while she left hint to coworkers "get money upfront when you have to have sex with that white fatty lawyer cause he is notorious of ripping off".
Some may guess who that girl is. Now retired permanently.
HonoluluGirl
10-01-17, 10:08
Most top tier girls have pets. That's their true companion. You are just a means to an end. They need your money or professional skills (not your sexual skill) I know there's going to be hundreds of kind hearted white knights who's going to try to prove me wrong. The "anything could happen" or "you never know" camp. Just make sure your family responsibilities are taken care of first. To the one who about to die, l salute you.I have a beloved pet and I never linked my proclivity for furry friends to being a provider but makes sense. I love new and merging ideas. I don't just believe anything can happen, I know it as a witness and from experience. Providers & hobbyists, even prison employees & inmates. But what about the rules we all know? I think the more time we spend with a person the less we see them as a character playing a role & the more we get to know the individual personally. At first I might have played up the enthusiasm for a good review--after all, how comfortable can one truly be with a stranger? Over a bit of time, the enthusiasm is real. I try to remind myself of the "truth" but there are coexisting contradictory truths. Yes we all play anonymous roles, and underneath we are all individuals who step out of roles to form individualized bonds and sometimes reverse roles. I'm reminded of kids who parent the mother and / or father. No doubt we have seen this related reality which should be impossible for our logical species. Moreover, there are times we put on the mask of anonymity (it's not put on for us) and then we all choose to unmask ourselves and be comfortable, even vulnerable. Maybe a person does not see me as human not because I don't count, but bc I choose to hold myself back and not bc I reduce the other to an atm. Of course I know what I "should " do, but that I do not. Because the heart gets involved and hostile reviews are proof of this emotional tie as much as proclamations of affection but many hobbyists express feelings of discomfort, embarrassment, etc. No one would feel anything if meeting a provider was taking care of a biological process and nothing more. My relationship with the bathroom as a room is uncomplicated, not comparable with my relationships with providers. Sometimes it would be way easier for me if I could turn my heart off and on with the flip of a switch.
Apparently CK is inspired by the challenge of successfully developing a love / sexual relationship with a provider. So after rethinking it, I now am retracting my previous position on the matter. CK- THROW CAUTION TO THE WIND! I say go for it! I would love to be a sideline spectator in your mission / experiment. So just do it and be sure to provide updates on your progress right here in this forum! It would be the most followed reality show in Honolulu- Providers in Paradise!!! Look forward to your posts! By the way, where are you CK? You've been curiously silent on this.Please. LOL. Don't go for it CK. I am going to save you a lot of money and heartache. Trust me. If you don't make 2 k a day yourself and have that 60 k a month extra to fork over to her then why in their right mind would they quit their job and stay with you. Go find love somewhere else. This is just fantasy and take it for what it is. You are paying to fuck and so is everyone else. Stand in line. Thats the reality.
EroticaFan
10-01-17, 19:14
Please. LOL. Don't go for it CK. I am going to save you a lot of money and heartache. Trust me. If you don't make 2 k a day yourself and have that 60 k a month extra to fork over to her then why in their right mind would they quit their job and stay with you. Go find love somewhere else. This is just fantasy and take it for what it is. You are paying to fuck and so is everyone else. Stand in line. Thats the reality.Note to CK: don't you listen to Botomoco now! Don't let him discourage you. I believe you can do it! With your wit and charm you can pull this off. We need a HERO! Show all us mongers desperate for love with a pro that it can be done. GO FOR IT!
Note to CK: don't you listen to Botomoco now! Don't let him discourage you. I believe you can do it! With your wit and charm you can pull this off. We need a HERO! Show all us mongers desperate for love with a pro that it can be done. GO FOR IT!EF, this is assisted suicide.
EF, this is assisted suicide.Rare, but there are instances of success. Most guys won't be able to handle it though, it takes a very mature and open minded guy to put up with most working girls antics. Just my 2 cents, and unless you have tried it I wouldn't knock it.
SureYourRight
10-01-17, 23:20
EF, this is assisted suicide.It's only suicide if the only thing you have to offer a provider is sex and money. Both things a good provider can get for themselves in abundance without you.
I guess it comes down to each individual's definition of a "viable, durable, sexual / love relationship". Yes I agree that this would not be a regular relationship, but it sounded like CK's desire was more involved than just dating a provider. It sounds like he is referring to a more serious relationship since he used the word "love. ". Again, that means different things to different people but for me such a relationship would involve way more trust than one where only "dating" was involved. In other words, if I took the attitude that a provider and I were just "dating", I would have NO problem with her fucking other guys. However if I wanted to be in a more serious situation involving the L word, that would be more complicated.Any success stories of dating a prostitute in an AMP and having a lasting relationship? I think not. Fuck them and find a non working girl to love.
How much do they earn?
1. fat+ugly+old woman: there are some guy who just need quick pussy. (even hugh grant did it while elizabeth hurley waited for him) Or naive guy who can't say no to half naked woman. Some just choose any accessible hole at 6 am.
So even those woman may get 2 men a day. On average 2 a day. After boarding fee (50-60 a day) they get 250 a day. Working for 25 days a month) + lucky days with more guys = 10 k.
2. average girls without special slill earn more.
3. average girls with special skill like greek or super pse: they may get regulars who just don't want busy place like resu or happy.
They may earn 20-30 k month.
Pretty girl with bad attitude: I guess same level earning.
4. top level girls: wow.
Are we really such attractive to make such "walking franchise resutaurant" give up their jobs?
We may say "omega new watch around 7 k" is what I want to show to my coworkers. They will say "hey girl. Work a month more then choose rolex. Don't choose low level brand like omega" - this is what I really hear from a girl.
Note to CK: don't you listen to Botomoco now! Don't let him discourage you. I believe you can do it! With your wit and charm you can pull this off. We need a HERO! Show all us mongers desperate for love with a pro that it can be done. GO FOR IT!Thats so funny. Of course we all want to root for the underdog. It may happen and it may not but the odds are severely against him. You want him to just jump into the fire huh and take a chance. As a fellow monger you should open his eyes to the reality of this business and he can make that decision himself. It is assisted suicide. Come on help him out and enlighten him to the real situation. Hes paying to fuck a provider and now wants a relationship because she's conned him into thinking that he's the only one for her. Its about sucking money out of him and CK try this. Stop giving money and perks whatever you are doing and see how long she stays with you or even has interest. I put money down within a week you will be old news.
Stop giving money and perks whatever you are doing and see how long she stays with you or even has interest.That's an important point and can be a very effective test of whether a provider really "loves" a guy. After money and other financial benefits are removed from the equation, see how much purported "love" remains and for how long it remains. Many men are unwilling to do that because they would rather not know the truth.
EroticaFan
10-02-17, 19:54
Thats so funny. Of course we all want to root for the underdog. It may happen and it may not but the odds are severely against him. You want him to just jump into the fire huh and take a chance. As a fellow monger you should open his eyes to the reality of this business and he can make that decision himself. It is assisted suicide. Come on help him out and enlighten him to the real situation. Hes paying to fuck a provider and now wants a relationship because she's conned him into thinking that he's the only one for her. Its about sucking money out of him and CK try this. Stop giving money and perks whatever you are doing and see how long she stays with you or even has interest. I put money down within a week you will be old news.Every so often a monger expresses an urge to undertake a romantic relationship with a prostitute. Probably after watching The movie 'Pretty Woman". And his potential mission is shot down by mongers, adamantly stating that it is a bad idea. Well I think it's time for those who proclaim to have the resources and confidence to bag a pro to step up and do it. Stop talking about it AND JUST DO IT! And I would love to hear the week by week progress or lack thereof by said suicidal candidate. Think of the entertainment value of this venture! Our own reality show! Come on CK! Time to walk the walk!
That's an important point and can be a very effective test of whether a provider really "loves" a guy. After money and other financial benefits are removed from the equation, see how much purported "love" remains and for how long it remains. Many men are unwilling to do that because they would rather not know the truth.Yup. Same as when you stop buying drinks for a bar girl; see how fast you turn into a stranger.
Cosmic Kid
10-02-17, 21:43
It's only suicide if the only thing you have to offer a provider is sex and money. Both things a good provider can get for themselves in abundance without you.SureYourRight has been pretty much nailing it every time, IMV. His posts #2911 and #2913 on this thread are very tuned in to what I was thinking about, as is his above post. BTW, sorry to not be a good candidate for the proposed reality entertainment show some of you fellas are rooting for. I'm not currently dating a provider, have no provider in my sights for such a project, have never dated a provider in my life, have no such plans in the foreseeable future. But, in my original post responding to Dark Man (Thanks for the complimentary words, bro.), I was trying to push the envelope, the boundaries of what is possible. What if I DID get into a serious love relationship with a provider? And I came into this with ZERO expectations of her changing her means of employment? She's doing what she does to make a living and that is none of my business. If she wasn't doing this work I never would have even met her. Got to remember this. The thing of it is, in my heart of hearts? I fucking know I couldn't in a million years handle this situation! I totally get that. But still. It would be one hell of a life challenge! It would be just a MASSIVE learning experience on a spiritual level, to be able to pull something like this off effectively, because what I'd have to do is confront my male ego head-on. I would have to learn how to totally give up all attachment to jealousy and any sense of personal ownership of this woman whatsoever. The deeper we fell into love with each other, the more I would have to train myself in the practice of LETTING HER GO. I'd have to surrender all of that old cultural shit baggage we guys have based our identities on for millennia. It would be the only avenue I could take if I wanted to be able to nurture the growing love this woman and I had with each other. It would be brand new territory to explore. This is what I was thinking about in my first post on this subject. I'm virtually CERTAIN I'm not man enough, not spiritually mature enough, to be up to such a challenge. And yet, the concept itself is simply fascinating to me.
One of you guys asked, why go for a provider when I can get a civilian chick? My thinking is, and I understand this is rather large generalization, but providers tend to be more open to sex, less judgmental about it, so sex can be more pleasant and fun with them. Plus I actually LIKE that providers have had lots of sex with a lot of different guys because these women have of necessity become much more comfortable with their sexuality and have gained a more knowledgeable feeling for what a guy wants and needs from a woman physically, intimately, sensually.
SureYourRight says that if all I can offer this provider is sex and money, why, hell's bells; she can get sex and money in abundance without me. And just speaking for myself, not representing other guys, since I'm probably an odd case anyway (that's why they call me Cosmic), I'm damned sure the woman I'm seeking is a needle in a haystack, and if so, then I am that for her as well, and THIS IS KEY; it is the REASON she might want to pursue a relationship with me as much as I would with her. But it seems quite inappropriate for me to say more than this because it will begin to look as if I'm just using this board as a free dating service for myself. Suffice it to say, again, SYR gets it!
HonoluluGirl
10-02-17, 23:46
I have thought about establishing a love relationship with a hobbyist. Can I reasonably hope I will be successful? If the test of a provider's affection is her reaction to the prospect of carrying on without sponsorship (a new way to use the term "atm withdrawal" then is there a test of the hobbyist's true affection? Perhaps sponsorship now, spending time later? Advice, opinions? Come one, come all!
So good, too good, well played missy, well played. Me? Been doing this longtime, too. Many stories, experiences. Real can happen.
True test? Have him take you out with his homies. I am humbled by your wisdom, m'lady.
I have thought about establishing a love relationship with a hobbyist. Can I reasonably hope I will be successful? If the test of a provider's affection is her reaction to the prospect of carrying on without sponsorship (a new way to use the term "atm withdrawal" then is there a test of the hobbyist's true affection? Perhaps sponsorship now, spending time later? Advice, opinions? Come one, come all!
SureYourRight
10-03-17, 06:07
I have thought about establishing a love relationship with a hobbyist. Can I reasonably hope I will be successful? If the test of a provider's affection is her reaction to the prospect of carrying on without sponsorship (a new way to use the term "atm withdrawal" then is there a test of the hobbyist's true affection? Perhaps sponsorship now, spending time later? Advice, opinions? Come one, come all!Depends on how you define success.
Hawaiian007
10-03-17, 14:08
I have thought about establishing a love relationship with a hobbyist. Can I reasonably hope I will be successful? If the test of a provider's affection is her reaction to the prospect of carrying on without sponsorship (a new way to use the term "atm withdrawal" then is there a test of the hobbyist's true affection? Perhaps sponsorship now, spending time later? Advice, opinions? Come one, come all!I for one can honestly say that I almost married 2 of my MT (1982 & 2002) and almost left my SO for another (2015). Actual true "love" not lust. Funny thing though, once I slipped that engagement ring on the first 2 they literally became NUTZ about "where were you today, when can I expect you home, how come you smell like you took a shower recently, how come this how come that? Being that I was a salesperson made me have to be out at meetings, entertainment with clients etc making me unavailable at certain times. I guess they became concerned since I was in the game in order to have gotten them.
HG I think it all depends on you, can you trust him, can he trust you? Lust is fleeting, "love" is real or so they say. My opinion is just to try it with no major expectations. Good luck and remember my old man words of wisdom. Sorry forgot my words of wisdom, I'm old.
Stay safe my fellow mongers.
007.
EroticaFan
10-03-17, 14:10
The thing of it is, in my heart of hearts? I fucking know I couldn't in a million years handle this situation! I totally get that. But still. It would be one hell of a life challenge! It would be just a MASSIVE learning experience on a spiritual level, to be able to pull something like this off effectively, because what I'd have to do is confront my male ego head-on. I would have to learn how to totally give up all attachment to jealousy and any sense of personal ownership of this woman whatsoever. The deeper we fell into love with each other, the more I would have to train myself in the practice of LETTING HER GO. I'd have to surrender all of that old cultural shit baggage we guys have based our identities on for millennia. It would be the only avenue I could take if I wanted to be able to nurture the growing love this woman and I had with each other. It would be brand new territory to explore. This is what I was thinking about in my first post on this subject.
I'm virtually CERTAIN I'm not man enough, not spiritually mature enough, to be up to such a challenge. And just speaking for myself, not representing other guys, since I'm probably an odd case anyway (that's why they call me Cosmic), I'm damned sure the woman I'm seeking is a needle in a haystack, and if so, then I am that for her as well, and THIS IS KEY; it is the REASON she might want to pursue a relationship with me as much as I would with her. But it seems quite inappropriate for me to say more than this because it will begin to look as if I'm just using this board as a free dating service for myself. Suffice it to say, again, SYR gets it!So let's see if I got this straight. You know that it's a needle in the haystack shot for you to actually find a pro who is willing to participate in your experiment, and even if you found one you know that you couldn't pull off your mission in a million years? That about sum it up? So what you're saying is that you've been spewing a lot of hot air and wasting a lot of internet ink. Got it bro.
I would say that it would be very hard to find that proverbial "Needle in the haystack" per say, but when it comes to relationships, there is always a risk of utter failure despite all attempt to succeed.
IMHO, the best and most solid relationships are built off of a solid and hopefully clean foundation, which is why folks who start off of an illicit relationship (I. E. Cheating) usually fail miserably over time, as there is always that suspicion on whether or not your other have would cheat on you too.
In the case of a monger / provider relationship, that is like a total crapshoot and there needs to be clear ground rules and expectations set up front and there needs to be a strong layer of trust built or it is destined for a high probability of failure.
They say love (not lust) can overcome all, but in this particular case, there may be suspicions, egos, trust issues, and financial concerns (I. E. Monger tells provider to stop doing any extras or to go fully cold turkey), which in itself could torpedo the strongest of bonds if you are not careful. It sort of boils down to the true intent of both parties.
Bottom line is that there is a huge difference if two folks met on a social level and dated versus a customer / provider scenario.
I hope this makes some sense?. But best of luck to you as you seem to be a sincere and decent person. HT.
I have thought about establishing a love relationship with a hobbyist. Can I reasonably hope I will be successful? If the test of a provider's affection is her reaction to the prospect of carrying on without sponsorship (a new way to use the term "atm withdrawal" then is there a test of the hobbyist's true affection? Perhaps sponsorship now, spending time later? Advice, opinions? Come one, come all!
We go to high end shop with money and will be respected and treated like rich super star.
But if the sales manage at hermes lives in my aprtment, you can never expect that person always wear decent dress and give very very polite attitude and serve me as he did in his working place.
When monger stop paying for one hr sevice, you can never expect the girl to look sexy as she was at AMP. Pajamas and no makeup tired face will be what you can expect.
Blunt, not so passionate attitude will be what you can get.
What do you / we love?
A real woman who just look younger and maybe prettier (with a lot of invest on looks- if girl doesn't have 6 digit income or her SO can't afford it, that look may disappear) with average jane's attitude toward me?
Or a sexy girl who is crazy for sex with me in money-sustaining time?
So let's see if I got this straight. You know that it's a needle in the haystack shot for you to actually find a pro who is willing to participate in your experiment, and even if you found one you know that you couldn't pull off your mission in a million years? That about sum it up? So what you're saying is that you've been spewing a lot of hot air and wasting a lot of internet ink. Got it bro.Blowing the wind, guess time and place for everything.
We go to high end shop with money and will be respected and treated like rich super star.
But if the sales manage at hermes lives in my apartment, you can never expect that person always wear decent dress and give very very polite attitude and serve me as he did in his working place.
When monger stop paying for one hr service, you can never expect the girl to look sexy as she was at AMP. Pajamas and no makeup tired face will be what you can expect.
Blunt, not so passionate attitude will be what you can get.
What do you / we love?
A real woman who just look younger and maybe prettier (with a lot of invest on looks- if girl doesn't have 6 digit income or her SO can't afford it, that look may disappear) with average jane's attitude toward me?
Or a sexy girl who is crazy for sex with me in money-sustaining time?Yes, some good observations in that post. A transactional relationship may be more exciting (both physically and psychologically) than living with the prostitute in everyday life as a wife or long-term girlfriend. Indeed, a "dream girl" prostitute may become mundane as a wife or girlfriend, especially after the guy has had sex with her hundreds of times, and has also experienced the "other side" of her personality and "real life" characteristics.
Yes, some good observations in that post. A transactional relationship may be more exciting (both physically and psychologically) than living with the prostitute in everyday life as a wife or long-term girlfriend. Indeed, a "dream girl" prostitute may become mundane as a wife or girlfriend, especially after the guy has had sex with her hundreds of times, and has also experienced the "other side" of her personality and "real life" characteristics.It's fucking amazing what women can do with makeup. Being serious, not sarcastic.
It's fucking amazing what women can do with makeup. Being serious, not sarcastic.I totally agree, it is like night and day.
Most of you sorry fucks won't even have a real opportunity to date a provider. So why are you guys getting all serious with this conversation?
Most of you sorry fucks won't even have a real opportunity to date a provider. So why are you guys getting all serious with this conversation?Is THAT a nice thing to say about your fellow correspondents?? Shame on you!!
Is THAT a nice thing to say about your fellow correspondents?? Shame on you!!LOL! I'm just baffled at how some of the people here take some of this shit way too serious. Whether it's about dating a provider or if someone writes a bad review, so many people here get so bent out of shape for what?
CanIsLupusJ
10-06-17, 00:52
Most of you sorry fucks won't even have a real opportunity to date a provider. So why are you guys getting all serious with this conversation?#sadbutture #storyofmylife #onpoint lmao 😂.
Is THAT a nice thing to say about your fellow correspondents?? Shame on you!!Obviously he's speaking from his own experience.
Ha-ha-ha! Good one DB!
Obviously he's speaking from his own experience.
LukeCage808
10-06-17, 03:39
Most of you sorry fucks won't even have a real opportunity to date a provider. So why are you guys getting all serious with this conversation?Dude I'm with you. Do what makes you happy.
You only live once. I've met a bunch of providers that I wouldn't have minded being more than just another customer. It just never worked out.
Go for it and see what happens. If it doesn't work out, at least you tried.
Most of you sorry fucks won't even have a real opportunity to date a provider. So why are you guys getting all serious with this conversation?Those "sorry fucks" in my honest opinion won't learn what paranoid feels like when you fall for a provider. At work you text her and when she doesn't text you back right away you start daydreaming about who she is fucking and if she is enjoying it. Then she tells you when you guys hang out that she only is acting and then another time tells you she had sex with a young guy with a big dick and came soo much. Big mind game. I didn't mind it at first but after a few months it bothered me and knew this wasn't for me. Long story short, consider yourself lucky not to date a provider. It's definitely the definition of an open relationship.
It's fucking amazing what women can do with makeup. Being serious, not sarcastic.
I totally agree, it is like night and day.As illustrated by post #15, dated 7-4-15, in the "UGGS. How LOW would you go" thread, and by post #3513, dated 9-16-17, in the "ReJuve Spa" thread.
Those "sorry fucks" in my honest opinion won't learn what paranoid feels like when you fall for a provider. At work you text her and when she doesn't text you back right away you start daydreaming about who she is fucking and if she is enjoying it. Then she tells you when you guys hang out that she only is acting and then another time tells you she had sex with a young guy with a big dick and came soo much. Big mind game. I didn't mind it at first but after a few months it bothered me and knew this wasn't for me. Long story short, consider yourself lucky not to date a provider. It's definitely the definition of an open relationship.The only way to have a relationship is to make them quit. To do that you have to have a really deep pocket. I think if you can provide the money this way you may have a chance. They are normal in some sense but they are not stupid either. Why would they quit making 40-60 k a month for someone whose salary is half or less of that. Money talks and that's the reality of dating a MP girl. As soon as the money is gone she will be too.
The only way to have a relationship is to make them quit. To do that you have to have a really deep pocket. I think if you can provide the money this way you may have a chance. They are normal in some sense but they are not stupid either. Why would they quit making 40-60 k a month for someone whose salary is half or less of that. Money talks and that's the reality of dating a MP girl. As soon as the money is gone she will be too.Monthly net income of ok / average look girls with ok just soso service is almost as much as most women's annual net income. (How many women at walmart or foodland earn more that 20 k a year?
Top level girls's monthly income may exceed even professional career (like doctors, lawyers)'s half year net income.
Is there any guy whose attraction is such great to make those walking franchise restaurant quit that money spurce?
If so. I really wonder why those sexy attractive giys can not make free sexy girl out of AMP.
EroticaFan
10-06-17, 20:06
LOL! I'm just baffled at how some of the people here take some of this shit way too serious. Whether it's about dating a provider or if someone writes a bad review, so many people here get so bent out of shape for what?I think most guys are just trying to help a monger avoid some serious pain when they advise against seeking a love relationship with a provider. Whether it's based on personal experience, common knowledge or common sense, they believe it would be taking a huge risk financially, emotionally, psychologically, and timewise. It's like placing a bet against the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Say you really think their opponent has a shot at winning, so you make a bet that is large enough to hurt you if you lost, say at least a million dollars. But you are interested in the challenge of being right and can taste the euphoria of winning in your mouth. Do you pull the trigger and take that leap of faith? Probably not advisable but some say why not? Do what you want. Others try to advise against it. That's why some guys "take it so serious". For me, I say go for it! I want to see the reality show unfold!
It can happen and if it is just all sex, sex, sex and you don't have to spend a lot of money great! Your feelings will get hurt but time usually heals.
I think most guys are just trying to help a monger avoid some serious pain when they advise against seeking a love relationship with a provider. Whether it's based on personal experience, common knowledge or common sense, they believe it would be taking a huge risk financially, emotionally, psychologically, and timewise. It's like placing a bet against the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Say you really think their opponent has a shot at winning, so you make a bet that is large enough to hurt you if you lost, say at least a million dollars. But you are interested in the challenge of being right and can taste the euphoria of winning in your mouth. Do you pull the trigger and take that leap of faith? Probably not advisable but some say why not? Do what you want. Others try to advise against it. That's why some guys "take it so serious". For me, I say go for it! I want to see the reality show unfold!
HonoluluGirl
10-07-17, 17:21
One reason a relationship won't we work is because the element of excitement and fantasy, which motivates hobbyists, is lost in day to day living. I believe the comedian is Chris Rock who compares the benefits of new p* versus familiar p* . Of course the unknown is exciting, especially when the risk if rejection is removed. Everyone wants a dose of the new. But new p* won't visit you in jail or take care of you when you're old and sick--which you'll be one day if you're lucky. Providers get criticized for what we don't provide, but really that's why people have wives. We are a boutique or niche opration satisfying a particular desire / need. Then the hobbyists is sent back to his everyday responsibilities and the partner who helps him meet his daily life's work. I believe a hobbyist is better able to face another day and keep his family together when he meets the appearantly universal male desire for something else. I remember Kobe Bryant's young gorgeous wife. She had it all, except the ability to be new again, someone forbidden, someone else. Maybe that's why the governor of California took up with the mousy nanny in spite of having an awesome wife, a Kennedy for goodness sake! Interracial marriage was illegal all over the south, and certainly plantation owners weren't marrying slaves but a large population if light skinned mixed race African Americans grew. Mysteriously. Regarded as extremely attractive, these mixed race people were lusted after in secret, believe me I know from personal experience and knowledge of history.
And let's face it, providers aren't the only ones looking our best and on our best behavior for an hour. Does anyone expect a stranger to tolerate what a wife puts up with? And could you live without the tolerance? Or the fleeting excitement. Let's be grateful to all the women, whatever their role, who support you men.
"Show me a hot chick, and I'll show you a guy who's tired of her shit. ".
There's also a corollary:
"There's no pussy like new pussy. ".
One reason a relationship won't we work is because the element of excitement and fantasy, which motivates hobbyists, is lost in day to day living. I believe the comedian is Chris Rock who compares the benefits of new p* versus familiar p* . Of course the unknown is exciting, especially when the risk if rejection is removed. Everyone wants a dose of the new. But new p* won't visit you in jail or take care of you when you're old and sick--which you'll be one day if you're lucky. Providers get criticized for what we don't provide, but really that's why people have wives. We are a boutique or niche opration satisfying a particular desire / need. Then the hobbyists is sent back to his everyday responsibilities and the partner who helps him meet his daily life's work. I believe a hobbyist is better able to face another day and keep his family together when he meets the appearantly universal male desire for something else. I remember Kobe Bryant's young gorgeous wife. She had it all, except the ability to be new again, someone forbidden, someone else. Maybe that's why the governor of California took up with the mousy nanny in spite of having an awesome wife, a Kennedy for goodness sake! Interracial marriage was illegal all over the south, and certainly plantation owners weren't marrying slaves but a large population if light skinned mixed race African Americans grew. Mysteriously. Regarded as extremely attractive, these mixed race people were lusted after in secret, believe me I know from personal experience and knowledge of history.
And let's face it, providers aren't the only ones looking our best and on our best behavior for an hour. Does anyone expect a stranger to tolerate what a wife puts up with? And could you live without the tolerance? Or the fleeting excitement. Let's be grateful to all the women, whatever their role, who support you men.
Good post with valid points.
Unfortunately, I would partially differ with one small portion:
Maybe that's why the governor of California took up with the mousy nanny in spite of having an awesome wife, a Kennedy for goodness sake!She may have been an "awesome wife" intellectually, but she wasn't really "awesome" in physical appearance. Although she could look reasonably good in carefully posed photos with fancy clothing and cosmetics, candid photos of her can show a different side (first three photos below). Even though the sleazy Guatemalan housekeeper was no beauty queen (fourth photo below), I bet she was more of a "hot tamale" in bed than the aristocratic, blue-blood wife.
"I already told you Arnold -- I'm a Kennedy, I'm a graduate of Stone Ridge School of the Sacred Heart, and I don't do blow jobs!" (lol)
I think most guys are just trying to help a monger avoid some serious pain when they advise against seeking a love relationship with a provider. Whether it's based on personal experience, common knowledge or common sense, they believe it would be taking a huge risk financially, emotionally, psychologically, and timewise. It's like placing a bet against the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Say you really think their opponent has a shot at winning, so you make a bet that is large enough to hurt you if you lost, say at least a million dollars. But you are interested in the challenge of being right and can taste the euphoria of winning in your mouth. Do you pull the trigger and take that leap of faith? Probably not advisable but some say why not? Do what you want. Others try to advise against it. That's why some guys "take it so serious". For me, I say go for it! I want to see the reality show unfold!I like see which local bruddah going play the 'Richard Gere' role and pull up in his white stretch limo, stand up thru the rear sunroof with his dozen roses in hand, and profess his love to his favorite provider while she's leaning out the 2nd floor window (meanwhile, one other bro monger K9'ing her out of view).
Be the knight in shining armor to take her away from this 'lifestyle'.
I'd pay to watch that live and munch on my popcorn since get some bro's out there that like take it to the next level. Free country. Chance 'um.
I like see which local bruddah going play the 'Richard Gere' role and pull up in his white stretch limo, stand up thru the rear sunroof with his dozen roses in hand, and profess his love to his favorite provider while she's leaning out the 2nd floor window (meanwhile, one other bro monger K9'ing her out of view).
Be the knight in shining armor to take her away from this 'lifestyle'.
I'd pay to watch that live and munch on my popcorn since get some bro's out there that like take it to the next level. Free country. Chance 'um.Let's say you win that non-existent lottery in Hawaii. Or your idea for that social media app gets bought out by Facebook for billions of dollars.
The fact is, we all that that ATF and we'd show up at that incall, AMP or whatever, and flex with all that cash. And of course, anyone pulling up in a new P100 D Model S Tesla, Bentley Continental or Ferrari with fat stacks is going to get a second look, no matter what that provider thought of you in the past.
The question is, can you live with a woman who probably decided that what made you desirable is the all the zeros in your bank account? Would it matter? And would you really be happy with just fucking your ATF over and over again, or would you just get bored and move on *because you can*?
HonoluluGirl
10-10-17, 10:18
I agree with the person who said for a real relationship she would have to quit. I know I wouldn't be ok with him being ok sharing me (Group sessions including him obvious exception). I want him to feel possessive and I want to desire to be his possession. So un-pc but true.
It's just not going to work unless the guys a cockhold! I'm just saying.
Next beef please.
"Fuck You!. ".
I just saw Sunny for the 8th time. This time for 3 hours. When you see a girl for that many hours, you have a lot of time to talk. Anyway, we started talking about reviews and she point one out to me and I LOL. She mentioned SimpleK's review and she blurted out, "do you know him?" I said no, I don't, but I think he is a misogynist based on how he writes reviews. He must hate women. She reacted to his review saying she needed to lose 10-15 pounds. To that, she said he is clueless and probably didn't even see her. And, to that she said make sure you tell him I said, "Fuck You!
I've gotten to know her pretty well because now her Korean temper is coming out and I love seeing it. She was cussing up a storm and flipping a lot of birds today.
This girl is the true girl friend experience. Seriously, nobody even comes close. I don't know many girls who can sustain a 3 hour session with me.
"Fuck You!. ".
I just saw Sunny for the 8th time. This time for 3 hours. When you see a girl for that many hours, you have a lot of time to talk. Anyway, we started talking about reviews and she point one out to me and I LOL. She mentioned SimpleK's review and she blurted out, "do you know him?" I said no, I don't, but I think he is a misogynist based on how he writes reviews. He must hate women. She reacted to his review saying she needed to lose 10-15 pounds. To that, she said he is clueless and probably didn't even see her. And, to that she said make sure you tell him I said, "Fuck You!
I've gotten to know her pretty well because now her Korean temper is coming out and I love seeing it. She was cussing up a storm and flipping a lot of birds today.
This girl is the true girl friend experience. Seriously, nobody even comes close. I don't know many girls who can sustain a 3 hour session with me.LOL! God damn you're a fucking loser. I bet you actually felt good when you typed that. Like you actually accomplished something in your life. I love your last sentence "3 hour session with you". I don't know why any provider would have a hard time spending 3 hours with someone 60+ years old. She probably feeds you oatmeal and changes your depends too. And yes, she could stand to lose some weight. I'm sure you guys have low standards as far as your s / o goes so you probably think she's perfect, but to us normal people. Sunny's face is ugly as fuck, almost as ugly as nirvana Bebe's shrek face. So nevermind the weight loss, tell her save some money and get more work done on her face.
"Fuck You!. ".
I just saw Sunny for the 8th time. This time for 3 hours. When you see a girl for that many hours, you have a lot of time to talk. Anyway, we started talking about reviews and she point one out to me and I LOL. She mentioned SimpleK's review and she blurted out, "do you know him?" I said no, I don't, but I think he is a misogynist based on how he writes reviews. He must hate women. She reacted to his review saying she needed to lose 10-15 pounds. To that, she said he is clueless and probably didn't even see her. And, to that she said make sure you tell him I said, "Fuck You!
I've gotten to know her pretty well because now her Korean temper is coming out and I love seeing it. She was cussing up a storm and flipping a lot of birds today.
This girl is the true girl friend experience. Seriously, nobody even comes close. I don't know many girls who can sustain a 3 hour session with me.As one monger said before.
If a monger really want to ruin one girl's business, leaving bad review is bot good strategy.
Cause girls at honolulu AMP are a kind of amateur entertainers.
Even bad popularity is popularity.
Who feed paris hilton? Her rich mr. Hilton guys?
Nope.
People who ridicule at her.
I found one funny thing. Nemo at nirvana, who had many negative reviews on her service unlike very well reviews nirvana girls, didn't lose her business that much. Rather guys who had forgotten her visited reading reviews and remembered her name again otherwise they even couldn't think of the name Nemo again.
Subliminal effect can be stronger than we imagine!!
If sunny is "ugly as simplek said" but has guys who had good experience with her.
Now he is making those guys concentrate on her name "sunny at blue star" amongst so so so many girls' name here.
Damn how difficult to be spot in tabloid's cover!
As one monger said before.
If a monger really want to ruin one girl's business, leaving bad review is bot good strategy.
Cause girls at honolulu AMP are a kind of amateur entertainers.
Even bad popularity is popularity.
Who feed paris hilton? Her rich mr. Hilton guys?
Nope.
People who ridicule at her.
I found one funny thing. Nemo at nirvana, who had many negative reviews on her service unlike very well reviews nirvana girls, didn't lose her business that much. Rather guys who had forgotten her visited reading reviews and remembered her name again otherwise they even couldn't think of the name Nemo again.
Subliminal effect can be stronger than we imagine!!
If sunny is "ugly as simplek said" but has guys who had good experience with her.
Now he is making those guys concentrate on her name "sunny at blue star" amongst so so so many girls' name here.
Damn how difficult to be spot in tabloid's cover!So it seems this provider's name is SUNNY, and she's available at BLUE STAR.
That's spelled S-U-N-N-Y, and she's working at the AMP called BLUE STAR SPA.
Okay, just wanted to verify (smile).
Has anyone seen the new girl Melissa? Any information will be appreciated! PM is fine!AlleyCat78, you've been a forum member since at least August of 2016, yet so far all your posts are just questions seeking info from other mongers. Here's an idea: why don't you go see "new girl Melissa" and post a review? This is a golden opportunity to start contributing to the forum.
EroticaFan
10-11-17, 16:39
I agree with the person who said for a real relationship she would have to quit. I know I wouldn't be ok with him being ok sharing me (Group sessions including him obvious exception). I want him to feel possessive and I want to desire to be his possession. So un-pc but true.Sounds like you're open to the idea of a "love" relationship. Perhaps you should state the desired traits you want in a lover boy. I'm sure some guys here would want to apply for the position.
So it seems this provider's name is SUNNY, and she's available at BLUE STAR.
That's spelled S-U-N-N-Y, and she's working at the AMP called BLUE STAR SPA.
Okay, just wanted to verify (smile).That's funny. The truth is that she actually does not want reviews at all. I believe she tells that to most of her customers. She is so busy now that she is burning out. That's more of a concern to me than anything else. If anything, she wants less, not more attention.
As one monger said before.
If a monger really want to ruin one girl's business, leaving bad review is bot good strategy.
Cause girls at honolulu AMP are a kind of amateur entertainers.
Even bad popularity is popularity.
Who feed paris hilton? Her rich mr. Hilton guys?
Nope.
People who ridicule at her.
I found one funny thing. Nemo at nirvana, who had many negative reviews on her service unlike very well reviews nirvana girls, didn't lose her business that much. Rather guys who had forgotten her visited reading reviews and remembered her name again otherwise they even couldn't think of the name Nemo again.
Subliminal effect can be stronger than we imagine!!
If sunny is "ugly as simplek said" but has guys who had good experience with her.
Now he is making those guys concentrate on her name "sunny at blue star" amongst so so so many girls' name here.
Damn how difficult to be spot in tabloid's cover!Junko is probably the best example of your idea. She gets so much good and bad press that the guys keep coming for more.
LOL! God damn you're a fucking loser. I bet you actually felt good when you typed that. Like you actually accomplished something in your life. I love your last sentence "3 hour session with you". I don't know why any provider would have a hard time spending 3 hours with someone 60+ years old. She probably feeds you oatmeal and changes your depends too. And yes, she could stand to lose some weight. I'm sure you guys have low standards as far as your s / o goes so you probably think she's perfect, but to us normal people. Sunny's face is ugly as fuck, almost as ugly as nirvana Bebe's shrek face. So nevermind the weight loss, tell her save some money and get more work done on her face.How juvenile. I couldn't care less what you think. I just pity you as the pathetic human being you are. SimpletonK is a perfect screen name for you. Only in your wildest dreams would you be 1/100th as successful as I am. In comparison to you, I am a Genius, Millionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist. You are just a troll who needs to crawl back under the rock from which you came. It's clear you hate women. Anyone reading your posts can see it. Your misogyny wreaks from your every post. Move along little knuckle dragger back to your dominion of cave dwellers.
How juvenile. I couldn't care less what you think. I just pity you as the pathetic human being you are. SimpletonK is a perfect screen name for you. Only in your wildest dreams would you be 1/100th as successful as I am. In comparison to you, I am a Genius, Millionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist. You are just a troll who needs to crawl back under the rock from which you came. It's clear you hate women. Anyone reading your posts can see it. Your misogyny wreaks from your every post. Move along little knuckle dragger back to your dominion of cave dwellers.LOL. God damn I actually feel sorry for you. I'm going to stop arguing with someone who's life must be so shit that he takes this board so seriously just like with every ***** he comes across too.
I know you're a senior citizen but cmon man. "simpletonK"? Talking about juvenile? You actually think that's like some kind of insult coming up with that? Like for real? Jesus fucking Christ you are pathetic. And then you are trying to brag about how successful you are? Like seriously. WTF. I actually feel sorry for you. I know you probably only got like 10 more years to live, so I should not be arguing with. I shall let you live your sorry shit life in peace. Don't let people like me or anyone else on a internet messsge board ruin your day okay? You're too old for that shit. Enjoy the rest of your golden years. I'm sure you have no family that gives a fuck about you, and that's probably why you're always going to happiness and buying ****** birthday cakes and baking cookies for them. As long as you are happy old man. Keep up the good work.
Junko is probably the best example of your idea. She gets so much good and bad press that the guys keep coming for more.What was the saying. No news is good news. I think today is its "any news is good news," as you are on people's mind and folks have an opinion about you. I think a lot people use bad press to further market themselves and in today's crazy world it really seems to be quite effective.
That's funny. The truth is that she actually does not want reviews at all. I believe she tells that to most of her customers. She is so busy now that she is burning out. That's more of a concern to me than anything else. If anything, she wants less, not more attention.Whats the first rule of FC don't talk about FC.
HonoluluGirl
10-15-17, 21:25
I read the angry words from one hobbyist to another and I scrolled back to find out the issue. When you, fellow readers, read posts that call providers names like old, ugly, fat, what is the first thing you feel? I feel sad, for the provider. But I am probably projecting because I have been called names all of my life. Maybe one or two people can relate. Critiquing behavior or punctuality or something that can be fixed, this seems fair. Even reviews that say a provider is not the preferred age or body type, for that individual, was the reasonable statement of preference. One could say "I don't find her attractive but you might" is as easy to say as "ugly" so I am left to conclude this hobbyist wants to be cruel. As providers we are supposed to be able to dismiss these remarks. However, the best way to do so is to attack the source. If women are going to insulate themselves they have to do what hobbyist's hate, which is look at hobbyist's as ATM's or something less than a human with a valid opinion. Reviews are anonymous on your end but not ours. They can be publicly humiliating and this vulnerability has a ripple effect that keeps hobbyist's from having the best possible experience. When you are cruel you may be working against yourself.
Whats the first rule of FC don't talk about FC.Well...this website is no secret. AMP girls & the mamas, indies, massage therapists. They all know about it, and they follow it religiously. Perhaps unfortunate, but it is what it is.
I found out about this site from a provide who wanted help with her laptop and her computer LOL. She had this bookmarked, and told me all the girls read it. Some girls take this site too seriously and try to matchcustomer to screen names. I guess theno more anything better to do. This had to be at least seven years ago when I went help.
Nowdys get plenty fake news on this site, LOL.
Well...this website is no secret. AMP girls & the mamas, indies, massage therapists. They all know about it, and they follow it religiously. Perhaps unfortunate, but it is what it is.
HornyBoy13
10-17-17, 01:37
Well...this website is no secret. AMP girls & the mamas, indies, massage therapists. They all know about it, and they follow it religiously. Perhaps unfortunate, but it is what it is.Perhaps, the admin should banned providers from this page. This website is for only us mongers to share our experience.
Viet Whisperer
10-17-17, 13:19
Perhaps, the admin should banned providers from this page. This website is for only us mongers to share our experience.Let them read it as feedback is a gift. If a provider wants to know how to improve or what makes others popular they can read the reviews and decide if changes should be made within their personal boundaries. If you want someone to improve or know they are doing good they need to know. Challenge will be determining what is real and what is bullshit.
Let them read it as feedback is a gift. If a provider wants to know how to improve or what makes others popular they can read the reviews and decide if changes should be made within their personal boundaries. If you want someone to improve or know they are doing good they need to know. Challenge will be determining what is real and what is bullshit.How can admin know one "monger" is a real guy monger?
We just need email address to join here.
Email doesn't tell age, sex, gender, moral and political stance, career at all.
I bet there must be a lot of shills, girls investigating this site, kids, and even government officials to get information here.
I'm not going to teach people to be better shills but if you think about what you just said here it shouldn't take you too long to figure it out.
A2
I found out about this site from a provide who wanted help with her laptop and her computer LOL. She had this bookmarked, and told me all the girls read it. Some girls take this site too seriously and try to matchcustomer to screen names. I guess theno more anything better to do. This had to be at least seven years ago when I went help.
Nowdys get plenty fake news on this site, LOL.I didn't know even this site existed.
One girl (retired now. Once upon a time top MILF pro) told about this site and let me know this.
Which means she was not the only pro who knows this site.
Anyway I am very cautious of leaving my privacy here cause. Who know? Mongers' SO may read this site too.
(Not bad idea that we try to not leave any written evidence of identity when this site doesn't allow quick response of deleting).
Cosmic Kid
10-18-17, 23:54
When it comes to sex, men put a premium on looks. And we also want to feel comfortable when we are with a provider. So it's not only natural but expected that we will comment on a providers looks and personality on this site. Its what's normal.In her post #2950 on this thread, HonoluluGirl already addressed this. Sure thing, mongers comment here on providers' looks and personality. That's not the issue. What's at issue is HOW a guy goes about offering those descriptions. I mean, he could say something like, "Well, that particular provider is heavy-set, plus IMV she's got kind of a big nose, and those physical characteristics just are not sex turn-ons for me. " That's straight forward, diplomatic, with no hidden agenda. But if a monger comes on this board and complains that the provider is outrageously fat and freaking ugly to boot, well, you can just hear the seething pent up anger the dude is unleashing. HG speculates guys who vent like that are being cruel. But take this further, and got to wonder why the guy feels the need to be so disparaging towards the woman. It's one thing to objectively describe, but totally another to attack and demean. When I read that sort of rage-filled post, I start wondering what happened in the room. Not his biased version of events, but what REALLY happened! Whatever it was, IMO it dug deep into that monger's insecurities about his own manhood, so he uses this venue as a coward's way of getting back at the provider for what is in fact his own lack of male maturity. Just my guess anyway. And BTW. I'm certainly no saint myself and have in the past done shit like what I'm talking about, although by now I believe I've seen my own bullshit ego game and moved beyond the knee-jerk need to act it out.
HG speculates guys who vent like that are being cruel. But take this further, and got to wonder why the guy feels the need to be so disparaging towards the woman. It's one thing to objectively describe, but totally another to attack and demean.He did it because he wants to do it, that's it, end of story. Because that's what he felt like saying. It's also why chicks can't post on this forum and why that was HG's last post. (seriously, take note Honolulu Girl, you're done posting in this thread) by subtly calling into question his manhood (only guys who aren't real men, who aren't strong men feel the need to boost themselves at the expense of women) she recruits guys like you. That in turn over time makes it less likely that men will continue to be honest on this forum.
He said she was a big fat fucking pig because that's what he thought and this forum is one of the last places that a guy can safely say that a big fat fucking pig is a big fat fucking pig and as far as I'm concerned it's going to always be a place where guys can call whoever the fuck they want a big fat fucking pig.
Honolulu girl if you take this to PM I will find out about it and I will ban you. If you respond I will ban you. This forum is for men and I will not have you trying to bring that shit in here. If we ever get the new classified site done the guys won't be on the chick forum so I don't feel bad telling you that you are done here. Don't test me, the first time you do you will be banned and whatever you write will be deleted.
This forum isn't about being fair, never has been, never will be.
A2
He did it because he wants to do it, that's it, end of story. Because that's what he felt like saying. It's also why chicks can't post on this forum and why that was HG's last post. (seriously, take note Honolulu Girl, you're done posting in this thread) by subtly calling into question his manhood (only guys who aren't real men, who aren't strong men feel the need to boost themselves at the expense of women) she recruits guys like you. That in turn over time makes it less likely that men will continue to be honest on this forum.
He said she was a big fat fucking pig because that's what he thought and this forum is one of the last places that a guy can safely say that a big fat fucking pig is a big fat fucking pig and as far as I'm concerned it's going to always be a place where guys can call whoever the fuck they want a big fat fucking pig.
Honolulu girl if you take this to PM I will find out about it and I will ban you. If you respond I will ban you. This forum is for men and I will not have you trying to bring that shit in here. If we ever get the new classified site done the guys won't be on the chick forum so I don't feel bad telling you that you are done here. Don't test me, the first time you do you will be banned and whatever you write will be deleted.
This forum isn't about being fair, never has been, never will be.
A2Bravo. Fuck chicks on this site. This is our domain. A guys forum who talk about these providers we fuck and we don't need no feed back from any working girl commentating or putting her two cents in fuck that. I go on reviews on what other mongers are saying who gives a shit what a provider will say.
Goddam the English in here is embarrassing.As not about Engrish. As how you say, "Fuckin."
ChibiMonger
10-25-17, 19:49
That fo sure bruddah! I luv read your pidgin posts. Make me cracking up and laugh because the way you say is real kine feeling and so the kine funny bra. Please because, keep write like that.I actually agree that the english is terrible. It's not even pidgin, this right here was terrible forced pidgin that a haole does to try to fit in.
I was just in the safe mongering section and man, that's some scary shit in there! I was planning on seeing Paula next week, but after reading all that shit about VD, STD and genital warts; I ain't ever going to AMP again! I believe you have been mongering for quite some time now. So...you have just now become aware of the potential risks? Really?
I believe you have been mongering for quite some time now. So...you have just now become aware of the potential risks? Really?NO SEX.
It is the best and the most reliable way for safety.
Even fucking a virgin can hurt partner.
In worst case she may have fungus infection problem that she has not known.
So if you guys want 100% safety, just keep this rule.
NO SEX is the best way.
I actually agree that the english is terrible. It's not even pidgin, this right here was terrible forced pidgin that a haole does to try to fit in.LOL I cringed.
I've seen Lina's ad in BP for awhile and thought that chick is smoking hot but hesitated because no reports until recently! Based on that gentleman's experience ... Sorry to hear of your unpleasant encounter. Personally, I think the individual who repeatedly promotes Lina might actually be the overpriced and pay-in-advance AMP provider Lina herself, or if male, a boyfriend or manager. Four glowingly praiseful posts on "awesome" Lina, and only Lina, within eight days. The brand-new poster suddenly popped out of the woodwork on October 8, claiming to want to "share with the brothas" and using classic promotional wording such as "worth every penny" and "if your looking for a great time for you & jr she's one to check out for sure". Notice that again and again, the posts are attempting to justify this AMP provider's unusually high cost: "the fees were well worth it"; "I don't usually pay more than standard but for her not a problem"; "at $$$ a visit she pricey but if you like what I like then worth it"; "going to hustle side jobs to keep hitting it while she here"; "the mileage I get worth the money"; "it's like renting a lambo". Money, money, money, money, cough up that cash, guys. Also notice that up to today, a time span of more than three weeks, this individual has never posted on any other provider or any other topic.
HornyBoy13
10-31-17, 13:37
What is that?
What is that?A Bruce Lee movie.
*this will look weird but here it goes:
Saw these two nice looking Beauties at Ala Moana mall couple of days ago, IDK why but they had this provider exxxotic vibe to them (please excuse my judgment, I mean no harm) Anywho, I was wondering if I'm correct in this assertion and if any of you mongers could probably Recognise them. Please PM if something comes up. Thanks.
BTW, hope I'm in the right post.Is it just me or do others find it a bit creepy to have incognito pics of young civilian females Taken at public place Ala Moana shopping center without their nowing and posted on a predominantly male driven anonymous sex monger website?
Our hobby is fun but there are some boundaries. So what's the line between gray area of looking to lurking to stalking to predator? If these girls were amp girls, or streetwalkers or porn stars or escorts, or even celebrities, mayyyybe public pics are ok. But These girls arent presented to be in the realm of sex workers and who knows, they maybe underage. The young girls aren't putting themselves out there by outrageous or sexual or attention grabbing behavior or dress. Maybe the right post is the HPD registered sex offender website. Be careful & good luck.
Boto doesn't wish to get into debate with nobody or impose ill will on nobody, just thought this was a little weird. Was Boto wrong for feeling this way?
Is it just me or do others find it a bit creepy to have incognito pics of young civilian females Taken at public place Ala Moana shopping center without their nowing and posted on a predominantly male driven anonymous sex monger website?
Our hobby is fun but there are some boundaries. So what's the line between gray area of looking to lurking to stalking to predator? If these girls were amp girls, or streetwalkers or porn stars or escorts, or even celebrities, mayyyybe public pics are ok. But These girls arent presented to be in the realm of sex workers and who knows, they maybe underage. The young girls aren't putting themselves out there by outrageous or sexual or attention grabbing behavior or dress. Maybe the right post is the HPD registered sex offender website. Be careful & good luck.
Boto doesn't wish to get into debate with nobody or impose ill will on nobody, just thought this was a little weird. Was Boto wrong for feeling this way?LOL, I saw that and was WTF? I've seen plenty of working girls out and about. They look just like all the other hot Asian girls at the mall. Hey, if you see me out at Ala Moana, I'm sure I look like a horny monger. Be sure and say Aloha. 😉.
Lonely Smiles
11-06-17, 21:00
Is it just me or do others find it a bit creepy to have incognito pics of young civilian females Taken at public place Ala Moana shopping center without their nowing and posted on a predominantly male driven anonymous sex monger website?
Our hobby is fun but there are some boundaries. So what's the line between gray area of looking to lurking to stalking to predator? If these girls were amp girls, or streetwalkers or porn stars or escorts, or even celebrities, mayyyybe public pics are ok. But These girls arent presented to be in the realm of sex workers and who knows, they maybe underage. The young girls aren't putting themselves out there by outrageous or sexual or attention grabbing behavior or dress. Maybe the right post is the HPD registered sex offender website. Be careful & good luck.
Boto doesn't wish to get into debate with nobody or impose ill will on nobody, just thought this was a little weird. Was Boto wrong for feeling this way?Posting pictures of civilian girls on a sex website seems out of bounds to me, especially when the girls had no idea they were being photographed. Half expecting some guy to be like "WTF, that's my daughter you asshole. " The island is not that big.
Posting pictures of civilian girls on a sex website seems out of bounds to me, especially when the girls had no idea they were being photographed. Half expecting some guy to be like "WTF, that's my daughter you asshole. " The island is not that big.Ya half expecting someone to know the girls, pm the guy for setup to hook up then teach um a lesson. This hobby can be brutal that's why boto said be careful & good luck. Don't wish bad on anyone but got to be careful.
I had a chance to talk to Miki today. She's a really sweet girl. Anyway, we talked a bit about the discussion going on about her age. She still would not tell me her exact age, but she did say this after so many guys said she was in her 50's:
"No, they are wrong. I am not in my 50's. I am in my 90's. I can't believe these guys are so desperate that they pay a 90 year old woman to fuck. What losers. ".
That really made me LOL.
SurferDude501
11-14-17, 00:27
Her response appears to be a double negative. Meaning she is not denying nor affirming her age!
Look. I know what I saw when she showed me her I'd, I had to go home and do the math myself (cause I couldn't calculate quick enough in my head).
My original answer was in response to a question posed earlier about her age. I answered based on what I know to be true. As a was said to me in a private message from an apparent shill monger, my revealing her age affects her business. My response to that is, these girls offer up a service for a fee. And since we are paying good money to sleep with these ladies, we ought to know what we are paying for. There are many guys on this board who don't mind banging an older women, me included. But there are guys who do mind. And to those guys, YES! She is in her 50's.
Happy mongering! .
I had a chance to talk to Miki today. She's a really sweet girl. Anyway, we talked a bit about the discussion going on about her age. She still would not tell me her exact age, but she did say this after so many guys said she was in her 50's:
"No, they are wrong. I am not in my 50's. I am in my 90's. I can't believe these guys are so desperate that they pay a 90 year old woman to fuck. What losers. ".
That really made me LOL.
Her response appears to be a double negative. Meaning she is not denying nor affirming her age!
Look. I know what I saw when she showed me her I'd, I had to go home and do the math myself (cause I couldn't calculate quick enough in my head).
My original answer was in response to a question posed earlier about her age. I answered based on what I know to be true. As a was said to me in a private message from an apparent shill monger, my revealing her age affects her business. My response to that is, these girls offer up a service for a fee. And since we are paying good money to sleep with these ladies, we ought to know what we are paying for. There are many guys on this board who don't mind banging an older women, me included. But there are guys who do mind. And to those guys, YES! She is in her 50's.
Happy mongering! .
Who cares if revealing her age affects her business. This is a forum for information. I sure would like to know a providers age because sometimes it does make a difference. I'd rather see a 30 something than a 50 something. But let me say this. If the 50 somethings service is so off the hook I'm sure the age factor will not come into play. What I think is that the older providers have to give up more to get customers whether it be BBFS, cimws etc. We pay to play and I'd rather be with a young un where else you going to get this? Not at home for sure. Don't we go there to take care of our fantasies. There is no way most of us will ever bang a young hot chick in the real world especially if you old a 20 year old going call you grandpa not uncle LOL.
I had a chance to talk to Miki today. She's a really sweet girl. Anyway, we talked a bit about the discussion going on about her age. She still would not tell me her exact age, but she did say this after so many guys said she was in her 50's:
"No, they are wrong. I am not in my 50's. I am in my 90's. I can't believe these guys are so desperate that they pay a 90 year old woman to fuck. What losers. ".
That really made me LOL.I think you make us all LOL with your sorry fucking white knighting every provider. I guess when you're old and retired there isn't much else to do in life.
People who hates P. Hilton talk about how terrible she is.
Some give consent but some just feel annoyed by too negative comments feeling sympathy to her. So for a minutes those try to defend her and spend effort for her. Otherwise they will care about other celebs but hilton.
The opposite too.
Too many people talk how wonerful Obama is. Some says yes of course.
But too much chanting drives many feel annoyed too. So those criticize his fans get blind on the title of first black president or anti-republucan moto.
I sometimes feel reading honolulu site is like visiting gossip board.
Am I the only one who feel this way?
(Of course ms hilton and mr Obama will not give trivial concern on us while they get benefit from anyone).
Sorry but the heck is PRS?
To answer your question PRS is Public Relationship Skills. It's a nice way of saying the girl is complenting you on your looks. Referring to how handsome you look. Or when the girl says things like "I love your abs! Or "I love your pecs!" Or I love your ass! Then she pulls you up on all fours to DFK your chocolate doughnut. Basically complementing the Monger on looks. Note it maybe part of her job or she maybe be sincere about the complements. Youd never know unless youre inside the girls head. Younger mongers may experience more PRS. YMMV with PRS. Just like BB with popular CFS is YMMV, or DFK is YMMV. Just depends how the girls feel about you. Girls dont treat all guys the same. Always YMMV with PRS.This issue was discussed in this forum a year or so ago. I recall a few of the guys in this forum describing it as humble bragging.
Bulgogi Boy
11-21-17, 14:13
I think you make us all LOL with your sorry fucking white knighting every provider. I guess when you're old and retired there isn't much else to do in life.I was looking for the "Like" button.
I was looking for the "Like" button.Maybe but taking jabs at the old isn't that great neither.
We all get old eventually. LOL.
SureYourRight
11-21-17, 17:13
I don't understand what you expect to accomplish by asking the provider directly about something you read here, especially if you reference this place as where you heard it.
I don't understand what you expect to accomplish by asking the provider directly about something you read here, especially if you reference this place as where you heard it.You have to understand that many guys here can't get lAid in morgues and this is the only contact w females they get. So confiding in them in attempt to get closer is going to happen.
SurferDude501
11-22-17, 00:26
I agree wholeheartedly with the comment below. Case in point, a discussion was had a week ago regarding the age of a specific provider. We had two shill mongers who then brought this up to the provider, presumably upsetting her, which resulted in her no longer working. That's an assumption on my part, but if say it seems more a coincidence. Too many shill mongers trying to white night!
I don't understand what you expect to accomplish by asking the provider directly about something you read here, especially if you reference this place as where you heard it.
SurferDude501
11-22-17, 01:25
EDIT: I meant to say that it may be a coincidence, but probably not. The provider disappeared after she was confronted with information discussed on this board, by some shill mongers!
I agree wholeheartedly with the comment below. Case in point, a discussion was had a week ago regarding the age of a specific provider. We had two shill mongers who then brought this up to the provider, presumably upsetting her, which resulted in her no longer working. That's an assumption on my part, but if say it seems more a coincidence. Too many shill mongers trying to white night!
Now theres a thought. If she left because of internet lameness, I have to be honest I'd be a little more than annoyed. No reason for this at all. Its so petty.
I agree wholeheartedly with the comment below. Case in point, a discussion was had a week ago regarding the age of a specific provider. We had two shill mongers who then brought this up to the provider, presumably upsetting her, which resulted in her no longer working. That's an assumption on my part, but if say it seems more a coincidence. Too many shill mongers trying to white night!I assume you include me as one of the two so called shill mongers. First of all, I am no shill. I enjoy this hobby across all AMPs and I write reviews of girls I like. I am a frequent monger so I get to know the mamas and the girls pretty well. I am friends with many Korean AMP girls and many go out with me on civilian dates and trips. The most recent was Monday for lunch. I will defend girls from idiots like SimpletonK who is clearly a misogynist and lies about the girls. Second of all, I did not share any discussion on this message board with Miki. She would read it herself. Her command of English is surprisingly good. In fact, I did not ask for her number. She asked for mine after I saw her for the first time. She used to text me several times per day for some unknown reason on many topics. Perhaps it was because I am a nice guy. I have dozens of text messages from her from conversations she initiated. After you posted you have her I'd, I received many text messages saying she never gave her I'd out to anyone. She claimed that you are a liar and that she is not in her 50's. I don't care really because as others have said, she is a great provider so age doesn't matter. But, it obviously mattered a lot to her. I told her that an easy way to prove it would be to let me see her I'd and I would post the truth of what I saw. She refused. I asked you for clarification on the circumstances surrounding getting the ID. You had a convincing story. I posted that earlier in this thread. Since she was probably stalking my every post, I am sure she saw it and got pissed off that I posted that I believed your story. So, she stopped texting me last Monday and then by Tuesday she left Pine Tree. On Monday, I told her to stop reading the message board. I said that the best practice for girls is to ignore it. The Happiness girls laugh at the posts and honestly don't care what you post. This is true at least the ones I am closest friends with don't care. That day, she said she was tired of the disrespect she was getting from the guys and she was going to leave. If you knew anything of her life story, you would know why, but I won't reveal any of it so don't ask. I tried to convince her to stay. I failed. So yes, you make assumptions and you are wrong. It doesn't surprise me. Surfer dudes are known to be pretty dumb people. You are proving yourself to be no exception.
SureYourRight
11-22-17, 12:58
I don't know if you guys remember but before Sasha went on vacation there was a lengthy discussion (spanning weeks) about how many customers she was doing BB. It got to the point where guys were speculating on how much liquid was being pumped into her on a daily basis. "Surprisingly" word got back to Happiness about it and we all know how women (and some of you men) love to "talk". It should be no surprise that a few weeks later Sasha takes a looooong vacation. Now why does that matter you say? Girls go on vacation all the time right? What matters is one of you boys used this information to manipulate / create a narrative, and then tried to offer her a "safe space" to get away from all the drama. Pretty much using this forum to pressure someone into being your little live-in fuck doll under the guise of helping them. This isn't the first time someone has gone to a provider with questions from here but whoever it is (You know who you are and you aren't the only one trying this) seriously needs to stop trying to white-knight his way into these women's lives.
Also another tip, if this post gets back to Happiness and I read "I asked Sasha about" I'd pretty much call that exposing yourself. Sasha isn't the problem here. It's the men of this forum.
I assume you include me as one of the two so called shill mongers. First of all, I am no shill. I enjoy this hobby across all AMPs and I write reviews of girls I like. I am a frequent monger so I get to know the mamas and the girls pretty well. I am friends with many Korean AMP girls and many go out with me on civilian dates and trips. The most recent was Monday for lunch. I will defend girls from idiots like SimpletonK who is clearly a misogynist and lies about the girls. Second of all, I did not share any discussion on this message board with Miki. She would read it herself. Her command of English is surprisingly good. In fact, I did not ask for her number. She asked for mine after I saw her for the first time. She used to text me several times per day for some unknown reason on many topics. Perhaps it was because I am a nice guy. I have dozens of text messages from her from conversations she initiated. After you posted you have her I'd, I received many text messages saying she never gave her I'd out to anyone. She claimed that you are a liar and that she is not in her 50's. I don't care really because as others have said, she is a great provider so age doesn't matter. But, it obviously mattered a lot to her. I told her that an easy way to prove it would be to let me see her I'd and I would post the truth of what I saw. She refused. I asked you for clarification on the circumstances surrounding getting the ID. You had a convincing story. I posted that earlier in this thread. Since she was probably stalking my every post, I am sure she saw it and got pissed off that I posted that I believed your story. So, she stopped texting me last Monday and then by Tuesday she left Pine Tree. On Monday, I told her to stop reading the message board. I said that the best practice for girls is to ignore it. The Happiness girls laugh at the posts and honestly don't care what you post. This is true at least the ones I am closest friends with don't care. That day, she said she was tired of the disrespect she was getting from the guys and she was going to leave. If you knew anything of her life story, you would know why, but I won't reveal any of it so don't ask. I tried to convince her to stay. I failed. So yes, you make assumptions and you are wrong. It doesn't surprise me. Surfer dudes are known to be pretty dumb people. You are proving yourself to be no exception.Yeah this place needs a like button feature.
Who fucking cares. They're all ****** and the white knights who think they are saving them are just going to lose their money and end up broke and lonely, as they already are. It's a lose-lose situation trying to date or play with these girls outside of work. If you think you can turn a hoe into a housewife go ahead, doesn't effect my life one bit. Also referring to providers as "close friends" should show you just how delusional this guy is.
I don't understand what you expect to accomplish by asking the provider directly about something you read here, especially if you reference this place as where you heard it.Seriously this only matters when drama queens make a huge deal about it. It's a public forum, because a chick finds it doesn't mean a guy showed it to her and if he did big fucking deal.
I'm seeing that you like to white knight under the guise of being an advocate for providers so let me help you. Work it like this next time.
You: So, I want my dick sucked and I have this money, do you want it.
Her: Some random bullshit about the forum and guys doing something she doesn't like and laying her hooker drama on you.
You: So, do you want this money or not? If you don't, do you know somebody who does?
That's it, that's all you got to do. No really, just do that.
A2.
Who fucking cares. They're all ****** and the white knights who think they are saving them are just going to lose their money and end up broke and lonely, as they already are. It's a lose-lose situation trying to date or play with these girls outside of work. If you think you can turn a hoe into a housewife go ahead, doesn't effect my life one bit. Also referring to providers as "close friends" should show you just how delusional this guy is.Speaking like a man who have been there and done that. Same here.
They are not that stupid who will rely on customers.
Why are mongers, especially cery well known "famous" mongers, so appealing to them?
Think.
Popular users here are NOT so young, handsome, well fit 6' stud. And though he spends a lot, he can't conpensate 30 k net income a month. Remember even bullpen staying spare pro earns as much as 10 k a month. Super popular girls get at least 7 guys a day. Maybe 10 a day on average. 1. 5 K a day.
Oh but he is kind and knows about women's mind!
Good.
So girls will trust on true love with mongers?? Man who always rate "women's value on age, looks, sex skill, and tail wagging attitude?? Come on, we don't consider what major she was in at college, what trauma she has in her past, what history she has.
They know this month's sugar daddy may lose all the pension soon or he will go to new pretty one when she reject BBFS or gain a little weight.
Enjoy girls. And don't believe you can deceive pro's brain. They are not that dumb.
If she fall in love and quit their job when they save money enough, he will be someone that she meet out of AMP who doesn' know about her job. A guy who just think her foreign parents sent a lit of money for new starting with him.
As many think "prostitutes" as someone with less value than outside civilian girls. Pros believe mongers are someone who CAN'T HAVE normal relationship with normal women!!
Cosmic Kid
11-23-17, 01:11
I assume you include me as one of the two so called shill mongers. First of all, I am no shill. I enjoy this hobby across all AMPs and I write reviews of girls I like. I am a frequent monger so I get to know the mamas and the girls pretty well. I am friends with many Korean AMP girls and many go out with me on civilian dates and trips. The most recent was Monday for lunch. I will defend girls from idiots like SimpletonK who is clearly a misogynist and lies about the girls. Second of all, I did not share any discussion on this message board with Miki. She would read it herself. Her command of English is surprisingly good. In fact, I did not ask for her number. She asked for mine after I saw her for the first time. She used to text me several times per day for some unknown reason on many topics. Perhaps it was because I am a nice guy. I have dozens of text messages from her from conversations she initiated. After you posted you have her I'd, I received many text messages saying she never gave her I'd out to anyone. She claimed that you are a liar and that she is not in her 50's. I don't care really because as others have said, she is a great provider so age doesn't matter. But, it obviously mattered a lot to her. I told her that an easy way to prove it would be to let me see her I'd and I would post the truth of what I saw. She refused. I asked you for clarification on the circumstances surrounding getting the ID. You had a convincing story. I posted that earlier in this thread. Since she was probably stalking my every post, I am sure she saw it and got pissed off that I posted that I believed your story. So, she stopped texting me last Monday and then by Tuesday she left Pine Tree. On Monday, I told her to stop reading the message board. I said that the best practice for girls is to ignore it. The Happiness girls laugh at the posts and honestly don't care what you post. This is true at least the ones I am closest friends with don't care. That day, she said she was tired of the disrespect she was getting from the guys and she was going to leave. If you knew anything of her life story, you would know why, but I won't reveal any of it so don't ask. I tried to convince her to stay. I failed. So yes, you make assumptions and you are wrong. It doesn't surprise me. Surfer dudes are known to be pretty dumb people. You are proving yourself to be no exception."Surfer dudes are known to be pretty dumb people. " BULLSHIT! This is out and out stereotyping! So who's the next group of people going to be who you think you can get away with insulting with broad strokes? This is kind of like when some young guy comes on this board and disrespects old men, then too late the guy discovers there's a small army of us on here! Same thing in this situation, in your stupidity you apparently don't realize how many of us surfers there are on this forum! This is Hawaii, fucker!
Who fucking cares. They're all ****** and the white knights who think they are saving them are just going to lose their money and end up broke and lonely, as they already are. It's a lose-lose situation trying to date or play with these girls outside of work. If you think you can turn a hoe into a housewife go ahead, doesn't effect my life one bit. Also referring to providers as "close friends" should show you just how delusional this guy is.Yeah been there done that. It's a rookie move. I did it when I started in this hobby cause I thought sex was sacred. That I was somehow special out of all the other guys she is fucking. Yeah right. I keep that type of thinking strictly to certain non working girls only. LOL.
Once I was fucking an AMP girl at my place. She was relatively new, like only been in the business for 6 months. I said casually while fucking her, so you fucked 200 guys huh? She says, "No, more than that. " Think you special LOL? I was just the hot dog she was getting at the moment. Yeah it was bareback in my bed but was I really the only one while she used a condom with everyone else. Brain fucked is what happens when you mess with them out of the AMP. When you text her you miss her and she don't answer back right away, I imagine if she is fucking at the moment and is she thinking of me or really enjoying it. Brain fucked! LOL.
Date or get "close" to a working girl equals brainfuckedness.
I am a little old crybaby *****That's funny how to start your rant you had to compliment yourself like 10 times. What's more funny is how much you lie in the Happiness thread which shows the bullshit you are complimenting yourself with is bullshit as well. God damn your life must be sad. I really feel sorry for you now. I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with someone as pathetic as you. Who compliments themself on a message board with bullshit? And yes, you are full of shit in the happiness thread and I know that for a fact. The girls you claim so much to be in their 20's and showed you their I'd bullshit. One bullshit after another. Remember now, how else I know you are a senior citizen? How else I know about the kakimochi cookies? Because I actually know some of them and not as just a customer like your social security collecting ass is and they tell me the truth. You just get more and more pathetic. Love how you complimented yourself 10 times before saying an actual sentence. LOL.
They are not that stupid who will rely on customers.
Why are mongers, especially cery well known "famous" mongers, so appealing to them?
Think.
Popular users here are NOT so young, handsome, well fit 6' stud. And though he spends a lot, he can't conpensate 30 k net income a month. Remember even bullpen staying spare pro earns as much as 10 k a month. Super popular girls get at least 7
Don't we allguys a day. Maybe 10 a day on average. 1. 5 K a day.
Oh but he is kind and knows about women's mind!
Good.
So girls will trust on true love with mongers?? Man who always rate "women's value on age, looks, sex skill, and tail wagging attitude?? Come on, we don't consider what major she was in at college, what trauma she has in her past, what history she has.
They know this month's sugar daddy may lose all the pension soon or he will go to new pretty one when she reject BBFS or gain a little weight.
Enjoy girls. And don't believe you can deceive pro's brain. They are not that dumb.
If she fall in love and quit their job when they save money enough, he will be someone that she meet out of AMP who doesn' know about her job. A guy who just think her foreign parents sent a lit of money for new starting with him.
As many think "prostitutes" as someone with less value than outside civilian girls. Pros believe mongers are someone who CAN'T HAVE normal relationship with normal women!!Would love to know who the Grand Mongers to them is / are. Not the gold digger ones neither. The ones who love to fuck only. I know they talk. Especially when it comes to bad mongers but I got to believe a good list exists too albeit a less talked about one I'm assuming LOL.
I'm sure I'm on some radars hahaha jk. (Don't we all?)
....waiting for the Dr to drop another serving of the humblebrag deep dish
SurferDude501
11-23-17, 04:04
Hey Goser man. That's good for you, that you're able to take these prostitutes out on 'civilian dates. ' I'm sure you pay for their meals / activities and lavish them with expensive gifts also. You probably enjoy every single minute of it, don't you!? Some would consider this pathetic, but hey. Whatever floats your boat. I'm not judging.
My comments were directed at those specific mongers who went directly to Miki with the discussions that were posted on this board, which ultimately affected her employment / working disposition. Contrary to what you may think or what she may have told you, Miki was not aware of this board, nor did she know how to access it, prior to someone mentioning it to her. I wouldn't have posted that she showed me her I'd (affectively identifying me to her) if I wasn't certain of this.
The only reason I posted what I knew about her age is because I'm tired of shill posts. As I said previously, people pay good money for these extracurricular activities. And they ought to know the truth. Specifically, if mongers post about specific services, prices, etc. Why aren't we allowed to posts about a provider's age? Especially if other mongers are obviously exaggerating the 'youth' of these so-called 20 or 30 year olds, when they are in fact much older. How many times did any of you go see a provider because you were expecting to see a 20-something year old (based on what other shills have posted) only to encounter a much older woman? That's all I'm saying.
As for Miki. She's a prostitute and when the bills start coming in, or she wants to buy a new LV bag, she'll come back to work just like the rest of them. She told me a lot also. And based on what I know of her obligations, she'll definitely come back. It's only a matter of time.
As an aside, Miki's English is not as good as you say. She sounds more like an Ajumma or Halmeoni, trying to speak English. Again, your shilling is quite obvious bro!
I assume you include me as one of the two so called shill mongers. First of all, I am no shill. I enjoy this hobby across all AMPs and I write reviews of girls I like. I am a frequent monger so I get to know the mamas and the girls pretty well. I am friends with many Korean AMP girls and many go out with me on civilian dates and trips. The most recent was Monday for lunch. I will defend girls from idiots like SimpletonK who is clearly a misogynist and lies about the girls. Second of all, I did not share any discussion on this message board with Miki. She would read it herself. Her command of English is surprisingly good. In fact, I did not ask for her number. She asked for mine after I saw her for the first time. She used to text me several times per day for some unknown reason on many topics. Perhaps it was because I am a nice guy. I have dozens of text messages from her from conversations she initiated. After you posted you have her I'd, I received many text messages saying she never gave her I'd out to anyone. She claimed that you are a liar and that she is not in her 50's. I don't care really because as others have said, she is a great provider so age doesn't matter. But, it obviously mattered a lot to her. I told her that an easy way to prove it would be to let me see her I'd and I would post the truth of what I saw. She refused. I asked you for clarification on the circumstances surrounding getting the ID. You had a convincing story. I posted that earlier in this thread. Since she was probably stalking my every post, I am sure she saw it and got pissed off that I posted that I believed your story. So, she stopped texting me last Monday and then by Tuesday she left Pine Tree. On Monday, I told her to stop reading the message board. I said that the best practice for girls is to ignore it. The Happiness girls laugh at the posts and honestly don't care what you post. This is true at least the ones I am closest friends with don't care. That day, she said she was tired of the disrespect she was getting from the guys and she was going to leave. If you knew anything of her life story, you would know why, but I won't reveal any of it so don't ask. I tried to convince her to stay. I failed. So yes, you make assumptions and you are wrong. It doesn't surprise me. Surfer dudes are known to be pretty dumb people. You are proving yourself to be no exception.
Would love to know who the Grand Mongers to them is / are. Not the gold digger ones neither. The ones who love to fuck only. I know they talk. Especially when it comes to bad mongers but I got to believe a good list exists too albeit a less talked about one I'm assuming LOL.
I'm sure I'm on some radars hahaha jk. (Don't we all?)
....waiting for the Dr to drop another serving of the humblebrag deep dishI don't choose, walk in and get anyone with skirt.
Very short foreplay, quick shot and go home in most visit.
My jr is tiny and always (ok not always but most times) cover guy.
Who will not welcome me!
If you are a papasan, even you will love seeing me!
The only reason I posted what I knew about her age is because I'm tired of shill posts. As I said previously, people pay good money for these extracurricular activities. And they ought to know the truth. Specifically, if mongers post about specific services, prices, etc. Why aren't we allowed to posts about a provider's age? Especially if other mongers are obviously exaggerating the 'youth' of these so-called 20 or 30 year olds, when they are in fact much older. How many times did any of you go see a provider because you were expecting to see a 20-something year old (based on what other shills have posted) only to encounter a much older woman? That's all I'm saying.
I totally agree with you. This is supposed to be an informative forum for us mongers. I read it to get info and give info and for sure all the information leads up to me wanting to try a provider. Age sometimes plays into this too. So backing up providers is far from where I'm at. They are all working girls trying to suck all the money they can from us and that's the bottom line. This is one of our ways to get information and make informative decisions. I will continue to post as I see it and have it with the boys in mind not a hoe.
HornyBoy13
11-23-17, 17:29
I guess Goser going to have Thanksgiving dinner at Happiness. LOL.
Would love to know who the Grand Mongers to them is / are. Not the gold digger ones neither. The ones who love to fuck only. I know they talk. Especially when it comes to bad mongers but I got to believe a good list exists too albeit a less talked about one I'm assuming LOL.
I'm sure I'm on some radars hahaha jk. (Don't we all?)
....waiting for the Dr to drop another serving of the humblebrag deep dishSex is funny. Some women really enjoy it.
But when it is "professional job", is it possible that sex is pure enjoyment with clients?
A chef chose and keep that hard job cause he loves cooking. But he works, it is different matter. He must think more than pure enjoy. People's rate on his job, employer's trust on his working, damn political consideration in that small working place.
I guess sex is same.
When her sex is rated openly and her pleasure us not main thing to do, it is just a job.
She can enjoy it with "limited" favorate customers (based on feeling comfortable with well known regualrs / dude's good looking, etc) in "limited" time, but feeling orgasm for 10 hrs a day even when she is damn sleepy or heard bad news about her kids in China doesn't make sense.
So. We just enjoy spectacle movie. That's it. Meet robin williams and laugh, donate money to him that's all. He may have depression behind the scene. Meet batman but let's thank christian bale's wonderful acting instead of believing that hero will really save me after curtain call.
And another issue here.
If I really want to help my favorate pro's biz, I will not exaggerate her looks, service that much.
Cause it will eventually hurt her business bringing too much expectation to her future newbie customers.
If I feel she is 40's I will say it with honesty adding "she fullfilled my dream of stiffler's mom fantasy. Damn she myst be horny sexy MILF who prefer 30 years old single molt". Instead of perfect body perfect face, I will say she may not be beauty queen but damn sexy to me and I enjoyed her huge natural tits (just not adding her extra pounds on belly LOL).
Think. When we expect 5 star hotel grade dish, we will be disappointed very easily, even trivial fault can be fatal.
But if we just expect "special menu" from mr. Woong's restaurant in shady alley, we may get more satisfied than disappointed.
To make more clients, giving too much expectation is not good starategy in this too open-too quick delivery world.
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