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Skyline Chrome
06-03-17, 20:35
This place has the lowest crime rate because to get across state lines in Hawaii you need a plane or boat. Also there are no gangs out here. Very little competition with drugs out here. No disputes over territory when dealing / buying. Prostitution is nearly legal here compared to some other states and the police force itself takes part in gambling / prostitution / drug dealing. Majority of the population that is actually enjoying Hawaii is also rich or close to it so they don't have a need to go into criminal activities besides white collar stuff.Why is a person say caught for stealing a car with 25 felony convictions on the streets?
ShootngStarBoy
06-03-17, 21:06
I'll take a shot at this. I think, in part, it's because we are a small island city with a small town attitude. Your reputation in a small town is everything. Attacks on your reputation are challenged to preserve what reputation you perceive that you have. Here, it is a rare day when you go to a shopping center and not run into someone you know. Here, when pulled over by HPD we all hope it's a relative or friend. If you don't know the HPD officer you play the game "who you know that I know" in hopes of beating the ticket. A good example of the "small town" feature of Honolulu is the fact that we have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation (for big cities). Why? In part, because you don't rip off your neighbor. Add to that cultural attitudes on shame and sharing, plus the fact that it's an island with nowhere to hide and you wind up with a mix that places a high importance upon your reputation. So bottom line is if you're accused of being a shill and you're not, you will react. If you get trolled you push back. If a post is BS you call it out. Etc. Just my 2 cents.
SS.Thank you. You might be right with your social views on the micro and macro-cultural local Hawaiian style island life, and small city theory. Your examples are great. Appreciate your two cents. I think it is also a matter of principle. If you're not a shill than your not a shill. As A2 stated, I don't get the mongers here in Hawaii. There are so many trolls. I'm not from here, nor was I born here, and it took me a while to get acclimated into the local culture. After over almost two decades I feel like a kamaaina. My ability to blend into the local surf scene has helped. Hawaii is like no other city in the the world. There is something special about this place. I'm more used to the big city like New York or Chicago. However I think even if it was a big city versus small town island lifestyle, if one is innocent then it's a matter of principle. No one wants to be accused of being guilty when they are innocent, big city or small town island life. For me, I don't have time looking for trolls and shills let alone posting reports online, I'm busy either running my business here and in NY, surfing or pounding pussy.
Lowest crime in the nation?! Maybe violent crime. Theft / robberies, this state is the worst in the nation.You're right and wrong. Yes, Honolulu was voted the safest city in the USA Several years running and may have slipped just a bit. As to property crime we fall somewhere in the low to middle. Per 100,000 Tuscon is the winner with 6642 and the least is Irvine with 1498. Honolulu comes in at 3110. And yes, organized crime exists here. I think it's called government haha!
SS.
You're right and wrong. Yes, Honolulu was voted the safest city in the USA Several years running and may have slipped just a bit. As to property crime we fall somewhere in the low to middle. Per 100,000 Tuscon is the winner with 6642 and the least is Irvine with 1498. Honolulu comes in at 3110. And yes, organized crime exists here. I think it's called government haha!
SS.Personal experiences have me convinced of my belief. And of course this FBI stat.
https://www.google.com/amp/khon2.com/2016/01/19/fbi-property-crimes-make-up-majority-of-crime-in-honolulu-2/amp/
We even beat Detroit! LOL.
Yup government corruption fo sho.
Personal experiences have me convinced of my belief. And of course this FBI stat.
https://www.google.com/amp/khon2.com/2016/01/19/fbi-property-crimes-make-up-majority-of-crime-in-honolulu-2/amp/
We even beat Detroit! LOL.
Yup government corruption fo sho.Sorry still wrong. You're comparing apples and oranges. Detroit Metro is smaller than Honolulu by about 1/3. When you call a cop in Grosse Point (a suburb of Detroit) a Grosse Point cop shows up, not the Detroit Police. When you call a a cop in Mililani, HPD shows up. Detroit reports only Detroit. HPD reports the total island. To get an approximate number you have to break it down to how much property crime per 100,000. Course Detroit doesn't have much property left to steal anyways as HALF the population has left the city in the past 25 years.
"Lily"
She's legit. I saw her a few days ago.Well, that certainly resolves any concerns, lol. A two-post forum name, that first appeared on the forum only six days ago, claims this advertiser is "legit". No description of the provider's looks, attitude and service, no mention of what sexual activities she provided at what price -- just a bare assertion that she's "legit". Yet, photos used in the "Lily" advertisement in Honolulu have been used in numerous other advertisements all over the USA with different names and phone numbers, including advertisements posted today in Long Beach (California), Las Vegas (Nevada), Albuquerque (New Mexico) and West Palm Beach (Florida), plus an advertisement posted yesterday in Ft. Lauderdale (Florida). Who knows, the advertiser in Honolulu may be an actual provider, but it's extremely doubtful that the photos in the Honolulu advertisement are "legit".
"Maya"
As far as Maya goes, she does use pictures from social media, but only to protect her identity. She's very beautiful, voluptuous (in a great way) and very kind.
I've been with her many times, and always a great time. YMMV, but treat her well and be kind, and she will do the same, she's a great person. Another two-post forum name, that first popped up yesterday. So this "Maya" is supposedly "very kind" and "a great person"? The reality is that the advertiser stole photos from a different woman's social media posts (a non-provider), and lied that they were "real photos" of her, in order to deceive potential customers into believing that was actually "Maya" in the photos. Most men would be quite unhappy if a male prostitute posted stolen photos of them in his prostitution advertisement, falsely pretending that they were photos of him. To purportedly "protect her identity," this "Maya" decides to harm another woman's identity -- how "very kind" of her (smirk). If this "Maya" truly just wanted to "protect her identity," she could have posted photos of herself with her face blurred or cropped off the photos. At the least, she could have posted in the advertisement that the photos were not of her, but in her opinion somewhat resembled her (if in fact the photos even do resemble her).
I'll take a shot at this. I think, in part, it's because we are a small island city with a small town attitude. Your reputation in a small town is everything. Attacks on your reputation are challenged to preserve what reputation you perceive that you have. Here, it is a rare day when you go to a shopping center and not run into someone you know. Here, when pulled over by HPD we all hope it's a relative or friend. If you don't know the HPD officer you play the game "who you know that I know" in hopes of beating the ticket. A good example of the "small town" feature of Honolulu is the fact that we have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation (for big cities). Why? In part, because you don't rip off your neighbor. Add to that cultural attitudes on shame and sharing, plus the fact that it's an island with nowhere to hide and you wind up with a mix that places a high importance upon your reputation. So bottom line is if you're accused of being a shill and you're not, you will react. If you get trolled you push back. If a post is BS you call it out. Etc. Just my 2 cents.
SS.You're right about one thing. In a smaller community setting there is a self-policing effect that contributes to the lower propensity to do things that would hurt or otherwise negatively impact the community. First, people would be less likely to want to shit on others since they likely know each other (even on an anonymous venue like a forum). And secondly, when someone DOES step over the line and tries to deceive, mislead or otherwise take advantage of others, he is called out or "scolded" by members of the community. Hence the self-policing aspect of the dynamic. Sometimes outsiders don't realize the "small community" state of mind and need to learn from experience. Not saying Honolulu is necessarily a "small community" but I think the desire to self- police things is there nonetheless.
ScholtiemRein
06-04-17, 18:33
"Lily"
Well, that certainly resolves any concerns, lol. A two-post forum name, that first appeared on the forum only six days ago, claims this advertiser is "legit". No description of the provider's looks, attitude and service, no mention of what sexual activities she provided at what price -- just a bare assertion that she's "legit". Yet, photos used in the "Lily" advertisement in Honolulu have been used in numerous other advertisements all over the USA with different names and phone numbers, including advertisements posted today in Long Beach (California), Las Vegas (Nevada), Albuquerque (New Mexico) and West Palm Beach (Florida), plus an advertisement posted yesterday in Ft. Lauderdale (Florida). Who knows, the advertiser in Honolulu may be an actual provider, but it's extremely doubtful that the photos in the Honolulu advertisement are "legit".I'm understand your wariness. I'm a long-time lurker (8-10 months), but just recently I've decided to post some of my experiences.
I was skeptical of her at first, but the post from GrateFu (post #14670 in the Backpage Advertiser thread) about his experiences with her convinced me to give it a shot. I texted her and the day of our meet-up she sent me her address (I believe it was Wednesday around 2 PM.) As I walked through the door I was greeted by a petite, but busty Asian broad who without a doubt in my mind was the woman from the advertisement. Seriously, look at the distinctive tattoos (she has three parallel lines around the circumference of her forearm, as well as some writing on her back.) We got right down to business. She wanted $180 for a half-hour session. Everything was covered, but we proceeded with mutual rubbing, FIV, light to deep French kissing, DATY, CBJ, 69, doggie, mish, sideways, etc. She wasn't a clock-watcher (in my experience at least.) She seemed to get really into act with lots of eye contact, moaning, etc. I was with her closer to 45 minutes because she offered me a shower after the fact. She helped to lather me up with soap, scrub my back and wash me off, too.
I understand that it seems too good to be true, but I had an awesome experience with her.
I'm understand your wariness. I'm a long-time lurker (8-10 months), but just recently I've decided to post some of my experiences.
I was skeptical of her at first, but the post from GrateFu (post #14670 in the Backpage Advertiser thread) about his experiences with her convinced me to give it a shot. I texted her and the day of our meet-up she sent me her address (I believe it was Wednesday around 2 PM.) As I walked through the door I was greeted by a petite, but busty Asian broad who without a doubt in my mind was the woman from the advertisement. Seriously, look at the distinctive tattoos (she has three parallel lines around the circumference of her forearm, as well as some writing on her back.) We got right down to business. She wanted $180 for a half-hour session. Everything was covered, but we proceeded with mutual rubbing, FIV, light to deep French kissing, DATY, CBJ, 69, doggie, mish, sideways, etc. She wasn't a clock-watcher (in my experience at least.) She seemed to get really into act with lots of eye contact, moaning, etc. I was with her closer to 45 minutes because she offered me a shower after the fact. She helped to lather me up with soap, scrub my back and wash me off, too.
I understand that it seems too good to be true, but I had an awesome experience with her.The girl with that forearm tattoo and writing on her back whom GrateFu was talking about is Nina, not Lily (whom NinjaInThe808 was asking about) with the pics in multiple cities simultaneously that Red uncovered. And GrateFu's post was 14807.
Sorry still wrong. You're comparing apples and oranges. Detroit Metro is smaller than Honolulu by about 1/3. When you call a cop in Grosse Point (a suburb of Detroit) a Grosse Point cop shows up, not the Detroit Police. When you call a a cop in Mililani, HPD shows up. Detroit reports only Detroit. HPD reports the total island. To get an approximate number you have to break it down to how much property crime per 100,000. Course Detroit doesn't have much property left to steal anyways as HALF the population has left the city in the past 25 years.I was thinking the same. O'ahu is larger than the actual city of Detroit. HPD covers a lot more. Sorta like parts of Oakland & Macomb County along with Detroit in scale. But I love the 808 state and miss it after all these years now.
I'm understand your wariness. I'm a long-time lurker (8-10 months), but just recently I've decided to post some of my experiences.
I was skeptical of her at first, but the post from GrateFu (post #14670 in the Backpage Advertiser thread) about his experiences with her convinced me to give it a shot. I texted her and the day of our meet-up she sent me her address (I believe it was Wednesday around 2 PM.) As I walked through the door I was greeted by a petite, but busty Asian broad who without a doubt in my mind was the woman from the advertisement. Seriously, look at the distinctive tattoos (she has three parallel lines around the circumference of her forearm, as well as some writing on her back.) We got right down to business. She wanted $180 for a half-hour session. Everything was covered, but we proceeded with mutual rubbing, FIV, light to deep French kissing, DATY, CBJ, 69, doggie, mish, sideways, etc. She wasn't a clock-watcher (in my experience at least.) She seemed to get really into act with lots of eye contact, moaning, etc. I was with her closer to 45 minutes because she offered me a shower after the fact. She helped to lather me up with soap, scrub my back and wash me off, too.
I understand that it seems too good to be true, but I had an awesome experience with her.As recognized by H Mobius, the problem was that you were referring to a different advertiser than the advertiser to whom my post referred. The post of mine that you originally quoted and to which you originally replied (Backpage Advertiser Reviews post #14702) was about the advertiser "Lily". Yet the advertiser you said was "legit," without naming her, upon further explanation turned out to be Nina. I have no quarrel with Nina being "legit". The lesson to be learned from this is to quote and reply to the correct post that concerns the specific advertiser upon whom you're commenting.
Majority of the mongers go to Happiness, Rejuve or Dream and see the top girls those spas, but I also frequent Cypress, Kings, Crystal Healing, some Kison and mostly Nirvana. I'm flattered but I don't think DrMajikLuv, ProfessorGun have any common interest. Maybe a few top girls at happiness, but I'm no shrill.
I don't get compensated for any reports posted nor do I have any aliases. DrMajikLuv appears to have a thing for Happy from his post, and I don't. I have no clue about the Prof, because I don't follow his reports. I do my own research and see the girls I want to. Not based off of any mongers reports.You state you don't have a thing for Happy, but you thought enough of her to nominate her for Best Mama of All AMPs. Also, you said that you've been to the kitchen at Happiness only once because you just want to "pound pussy and get back to business" (see below). However, one reason you cited for nominating her for best Mama was that she "really takes the time to talk to you and to invite you to lunch and dinners in the kitchen". Pretty inconsistent statements wouldn't you say?
I am a regular at Happiness, however I have only been to the kitchen once. I have been offered lunch many times but usually I politely decline because I just want to pound some pussy and get back to business. Happy is a smart business woman and knows that customer hospitality is imperative in any business model. Nothing is free and there are no such thing as a free lunch. BTW hope that phrase was never used by anyone else. It's the cost of opportunity as relative to the free lunch.(this is from the Best Kb or MP Mama thread).
For hospitality Chanel at Kison, Young at Nirvana and Happy at Happiness are very friendly and cordial. It's a three way tie regarding hospitality. However IMO Happy goes one step further by inviting me to lunch and or dinner, and really taking the time to talk to me. Young has sat and chatted with me, and Chanel has been cordial, but Happy goes above and beyond by being friendly and caring enough to cordially invite me to lunch and dinners in the kitchen at happiness.
You state you don't have a thing for Happy, but you thought enough of her to nominate her for Best Mama of All AMPs. Also, you said that you've been to the kitchen at Happiness only once because you just want to "pound pussy and get back to business" (see below). However, one reason you cited for nominating her for best Mama was that she "really takes the time to talk to you and to invite you to lunch and dinners in the kitchen". Pretty inconsistent statements wouldn't you say?
(this is from the Best Kb or MP Mama thread).I think all points have been expressed by both sides, you both entitled to your opinions just let it rest already, one point though there are gangs in Hawaii, and there is organized crime (e. G. : legal operation at 99 Ranch Market by the Yakuza). Not to akamai, just ask your LE friends that surf. If you run a business you should be at least aware of this, just in case.
Be safe and as always watch out for the guys in blue.
ShootngStarBoy
06-06-17, 18:21
You state you don't have a thing for Happy, but you thought enough of her to nominate her for Best Mama of All AMPs. Also, you said that you've been to the kitchen at Happiness only once because you just want to "pound pussy and get back to business" (see below). However, one reason you cited for nominating her for best Mama was that she "really takes the time to talk to you and to invite you to lunch and dinners in the kitchen". Pretty inconsistent statements wouldn't you say?
(this is from the Best Kb or MP Mama thread).Accepting the invitation and having the meals is the difference. The kitchen invitation were just a meet and greet, but most politely declined. Perhaps we should meet and greet? Just a cordial invitation to say hello. You know a proper NY style greeting. I never accepted all invitation into the kitchen.
ShootngStarBoy
06-06-17, 18:37
I think all points have been expressed by both sides, you both entitled to your opinions just let it rest already, one point though there are gangs in Hawaii, and there is organized crime (e. G. : legal operation at 99 Ranch Market by the Yakuza). Not to akamai, just ask your LE friends that surf. If you run a business you should be at least aware of this, just in case.
Be safe and as always watch out for the guys in blue.Some don't know when to stop. They will stop when forced to stop, but by then it's to late for them.
Accepting the invitation and having the meals is the difference. The kitchen invitation were just a meet and greet, but most politely declined. Perhaps we should meet and greet? Just a cordial invitation to say hello. You know a proper NY style greeting. I never accepted all invitation into the kitchen.Yeah sure. Your claim of being in the kitchen only once because you are so busy was an obvious attempt to prove that you are not a shill for Happy. Your other post stating that you were in the kitchen many times and that you admire Happy for taking the time to talk to you completely contradicts yourself. When you say the multiple invitations were "most politely declined" that means that SOME were NOT declined. Also you say you never "accepted ALL invitations into the kitchen". That means you accepted SOME invitations. The point is you lied about being in the kitchen only once and that you obviously are trying to downplay your collusion with that AMP.
ShootngStarBoy
06-07-17, 01:02
Yeah sure. Your claim of being in the kitchen only once because you are so busy was an obvious attempt to prove that you are not a shill for Happy. Your other post stating that you were in the kitchen many times and that you admire Happy for taking the time to talk to you completely contradicts yourself. When you say the multiple invitations were "most politely declined" that means that SOME were NOT declined. Also you say you never "accepted ALL invitations into the kitchen". That means you accepted SOME invitations. The point is you lied about being in the kitchen only once and that you obviously are trying to downplay your collusion with that AMP.Not a lie. It is the truth, and hhis is your interpretation. Your delusional perception. Were you there each time I was invited? How do you know if you were not there every time I went to Happiness. I already stated my answer, but I will say it AGAIN, and you still don't believe me. You can have your delusional perception of what you think might of happened when I was there, but the fact remains you weren't there. I actually prefer not to hang out there TEHO but this is just my preference, and especially if there is another monger eating in the kitchen. It just makes for a weird situation. As stated earlier I have had many invites to the kitchen but only was there once. Sure happy is nice to me, but I'm sure she is also nice to many other customers as well. Look at my posts, I go to other AMPs and report on girls. I am no shill. I will say this AGAIN, if any mama wants to pay me for being a shill let me know! PM me.
Have you ever post any reports on AMP girls?
Not a lie. It is the truth, and hhis is your interpretation. Your delusional perception. Were you there each time I was invited? How do you know if you were not there every time I went to Happiness. I already stated my answer, but I will say it AGAIN, and you still don't believe me. You can have your delusional perception of what you think might of happened when I was there, but the fact remains you weren't there. I actually prefer not to hang out there TEHO but this is just my preference, and especially if there is another monger eating in the kitchen. It just makes for a weird situation. As stated earlier I have had many invites to the kitchen but only was there once. Sure happy is nice to me, but I'm sure she is also nice to many other customers as well. Look at my posts, I go to other AMPs and report on girls. I am no shill. I will say this AGAIN, if any mama wants to pay me for being a shill let me know! PM me. Ok Doc. I've made my point. No point in arguing with stupid I always say. So I'll stop and we'll see. The proof is in the pudding. Or maybe the pussy in this case. LOL.
Yes Raiden I agree with you the bar has been raised very high by younger and prettier providers. There are many of them across the top AMPs in town and there are known young and pretty CFS only girls that with the right connection and chemistry are BBFS. The standard was raised a few years ago when Empire set the bar high with young and pretty girls who were open for most all. TEHO Yuki is still very pretty IMO.
That's for sure! To me she's my perfect 10. Lost track of the times I've seen her. Over 30. Damn that's some bucks. LOL. It's all about the connection and special chemistry as you said. That's what I look for.
Good report. Thank you brotherman. Guess it's YMMV TEHO. I've seen most all of the girls at Happiness except for couple of the new girls...Apple and Sue. Oh and Chloe (she not that new) but so maybe only three that I haven't seen yet. Besides those current 3, consider the rest of the crew checked off! Ive been going to Happiness at least once per week.
I agree with you Sugar is pretty and some what resembles Kelly Hu look alike, but I bet Kelly Hu can't fuck like Sugar. I mean Sugar fucked me hard and silly. YMMV. It was hard to tell who was fucking who. It was wet slippery and wild! It's all about connection and chemistry, and I guess not every monger will establish rapport in all AMP encounters, thus it's always YMMV and TEHO. I guess the use of THIS PHRASE is just a coincidence too. NOT. Hey doc. Your aliases are showing. Hahaha.
ClintonPortis
06-10-17, 14:39
I guess the use of THIS PHRASE is just a coincidence too. NOT. Hey doc. Your aliases are showing. Hahaha.I had a suspicion that Raiden was fishy when he was claiming all these incredible results with Seeking Arrangements that no one else was getting (except for a banned member who claimed to get sessions for 100 bucks lmao). But never put two and two together with the fictional storyteller known as DrMajik.
One has to wonder why this beautiful Adonis has to shell out tons of money to fuck hookers when according to him, girls are getting all kinds of wet at the mere sight of his god like body!!
Thank you Darkman808. That was great advice.
Totally agree that a good shower before hitting the AMP, and getting all squeaky clean, including hair and feet, floss and brush your teeth with mouthwash will be PART of what you need to impress the provider. Trimming your nails are important too.
However if you really want to impress the AMP provider or any girl. May I HUMBLY share that all chicks pay attention to the body and body language, in addition to your cleanliness. In addition to being clean, girls are also impressed with how you take care of yourself as a life style; It goes beyond just being squeaky clean. Your skin, complexion, hair, teeth, smile and muscularity are equally as important.
It is a fact that girls enjoy eye candy just as much as guys do. In fact they are more likely enjoy eye candy more than guys do, however the girls just don't talk about openly with guys, or when men are in their presence in fear of offending them. Therefore if you really want to impress the AMP provider or any girl; you need to present the complete package from hair to toes, and all the muscular details in between.
Taking care of yourself goes beyond the shower and being clean. Taking care of yourself is demonstrated by getting into contest shape, ready to step on the competition stage, being prepared for a magazine cover photo shoot. Taking care of yourself and paying attention to attaining the six pack abs, eight pack if possible. The lean muscular pecs, deltoids, muscular v-tapered back are all important. Muscular legs, calves and glutes are important too.
Truth: put five guys in a club at the bar. First guy is a fat old guy. Second guy is a young skinny computer geek. The third guy old man in decent shape, no abs. The fourth guy is average guy who works out three maybe four times per week, and the Fifth Guy is an Adonis, a lean mean muscular hunk; who looks like model that just jumped out of a magazine; He has the perfect smile, perfect hair and perfect body and he's a doctor too. Guess which guy the girls would go for? Of course the Fifth Guy. If you don't believe it; go to a night club and test out the theory. Girls love muscles, especially if there is a sexy confident smile and brains that accompanies the good looks. You don't need to have the freaky bodybuilding monster look, but if you can present a ripped abs, male stripper appearance, then you got a better chance then the dime a dozen average number three and number four guy (s).
Therefore getting ready for a date begins far beyond just a couple hours of preparation and getting clean before a date at the AMP. It's a life style and being prepared for action twenty four seven. It's building a lean symmetrical and proportionate physique weeks and months ahead; that girls will worship and be happy to be with in the bedroom.
Smiling and confidence are also key factors. Impressing an AMP provider or beautiful girl or lady anywhere, starts with cleaning up your act before you arrive, working out, eating clean and building a lean muscular physique. That tells the AMP provider that you considered that her pleasure is equally important to you; and by presenting a ripped muscular physique, it will be evident to her that you cared enough about her to take care of yourself. These are only the physical characteristics regarding impressing a girl, there are other factors such a financial, materialistic, social status, social influence, power, etc. That could possibly impress a provider too.
Darkman808 this post was NOT intended for you, in fact I support what you wrote in your report. I just wanted to humbly add on to what you wrote.LOL. This guy lives in his own fantasy world. He doesn't need hookers. He just needs to fantasize about himself (humbly of course) to get off. So fricken funny.
Member #5810
06-10-17, 21:16
I had a suspicion that Raiden was fishy when he was claiming all these incredible results with Seeking Arrangements that no one else was getting (except for a banned member who claimed to get sessions for 100 bucks lmao). But never put two and two together with the fictional storyteller known as DrMajik.
One has to wonder why this beautiful Adonis has to shell out tons of money to fuck hookers when according to him, girls are getting all kinds of wet at the mere sight of his god like body!!TEHO. Believe what you want. I never got incredible deals on SA, but I did get a lot of response because I posted real photos of me and also exchanged real photos when trying to meet. I stopped because after the first 54.00 month it went to 79.00 and after 3 months of that I felt it was too expensive.
Read my posts again please. I have my own writing style and never humble brag. I have many posts on the girls and if you look, they have my style which is completely different from Dr M and Nephlim. Even Nephlim has his own style.
But, believe what you want. Dunno why you give a guy who just started posting and has ni provider reports any credibility.
Viet Whisperer
06-10-17, 22:06
LOL. This guy lives in his own fantasy world. He doesn't need hookers. He just needs to fantasize about himself (humbly of course) to get off. So fricken funny.I posted most of the same info about a year ago. One of the personalities / usernames went full retard for several days making threats and pming me shit. I have taken the advice of a very wise man named Admin2 and realized why do I care? I'm only posting now to say be safe. I couldn't resist posting about the "little mondo" incident awhile back as that was too funny.
I posted most of the same info about a year ago. One of the personalities / usernames went full retard for several days making threats and pming me shit. I have taken the advice of a very wise man named Admin2 and realized why do I care? I'm only posting now to say be safe. I couldn't resist posting about the "little mondo" incident awhile back as that was too funny.You bring up a good question. Why should you or anyone else care what the idiot says? I think the answer is this: if the purpose of this forum is to provide advice and guidance as to where mongers should spend their money through credible reviews, then the reviews should be credible and not biased or influenced by other factors (ie- being somehow compensated by the AMP they are reporting on). This guy goes OUT OF HIS WAY to post biased reports using MULTIPLE ALIASES to influence people. If unsuspecting mongers believe ALL of his aliases' reports then the effect is like a Ponzi scheme. He has so many aliases (I've only called out a few) that he is single handedly making a mockery of the forum. That's my take on the situation anyway. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
BeastieBoyz
06-11-17, 03:45
Ok so we know there are a lot of weirdos in this line of business, on both sides of the transaction. How many good providers do you think we have lost because some nutcase here loses his mind and goes stalker. Probably many, and sadly it's probably the ones who are especially good at making their clients feel special.
Not sure what a provider can do if a client goes stalker, other than just pick up and take the their talents elsewhere. Must be hard to go to the police given their line of work and the threat of retaliation. Maybe this community should "police" itself. I'm sure someone has a way to call in some muscle to take care of nutcases who ruin things for the rest of us by chasing away some of our best providers. Or would that only make the situation even more dangerous?
Been reading some of the drama on this board about dudes who go overboard and make life hell for the women. Pisses me off.
Ok so we know there are a lot of weirdos in this line of business, on both sides of the transaction. How many good providers do you think we have lost because some nutcase here loses his mind and goes stalker. Probably many, and sadly it's probably the ones who are especially good at making their clients feel special.
Not sure what a provider can do if a client goes stalker, other than just pick up and take the their talents elsewhere. Must be hard to go to the police given their line of work and the threat of retaliation. Maybe this community should "police" itself. I'm sure someone has a way to call in some muscle to take care of nutcases who ruin things for the rest of us by chasing away some of our best providers. Or would that only make the situation even more dangerous?
Been reading some of the drama on this board about dudes who go overboard and make life hell for the women. Pisses me off.I am sure every long time provider has had this problem, some customer in love with them and becomes obsessive and possessive. Every house usually has some form of muscle these ladies can take care of themselves and then some. Don't worry Beastie just be happy when they service you and you are satisfied. These women have a circuit they travel so if things get to hot they just move cities. No problem plenty of fish in the sea. Just pick another one. These sicko's are part of the landscape in this profession I wouldn't worry.
TEHO. Believe what you want. I never got incredible deals on SA, but I did get a lot of response because I posted real photos of me and also exchanged real photos when trying to meet. I stopped because after the first 54.00 month it went to 79.00 and after 3 months of that I felt it was too expensive.
Read my posts again please. I have my own writing style and never humble brag. I have many posts on the girls and if you look, they have my style which is completely different from Dr M and Nephlim. Even Nephlim has his own style.
But, believe what you want. Dunno why you give a guy who just started posting and has ni provider reports any credibility.You have your own writing style and never humble brag? Let's see. Your posts below show that you made contradictory statements by stating that you can't afford to risk an affair because you're married (general reports thread) but then you say you are DATING one of Risa Yoshiki's model friends (Spinners thread). Also you say you post real pics of yourself on SA website and that the hotties only want to hook up based on looks and that you have had many hookups and got favorited a lot. I think that qualifies as humble brag. And why are you posting real pics of yourself if you can't risk getting busted by your SO? Seems to me you and the doc have quite a few similarities in writing style. Not to mention the use of the same phrases that hardly anyone else uses.
Haha, oh yeah, I know I'm not the only one! I'm just in the inner circle. Haha.
Hey, please PM me how to do that tracker app. Sounds like great idea just to see what's going on. But, I do believe some girls really are genuine. Maybe I'm overly optimistic about people's character but some are not the hard core seasoned pro's. I'm married so can never risk having a relationship or affair but it is nice to live the one hour fantasy.
Hmmmmn that's a thought. You never know eh? I can try ask her if she might be interested in meeting a super rich guy here. I'd date her myself really! But I'm dating one of her model friends.
I posted a real pic but with sunglasses. And put real photos in private. Just IMHO but if you want to get serious returns you got to be real. I have gotten quite a lot of favorite and hook ups by being real. Even the girls do that by putting private pics.
I've gotten really good looking non pro girls but it takes up a lot of time and being that I'm married with family the AMP scene is better for my situation. If I was single then I'd be all. Over this site for sure.
And just my opinion, but your responses and actual hook up will depend a lot. And I mean a lot on how you look. The girls here can choose and to be frank, if you kinda ugly or fat or below average, don't expect to be hooking up with 10's. You better off going to an AMP. Of course there are professional SBs if you got the funds. Then your looks will not be so important. Don't rag on me for this, I'm just giving my opinion from my experiences. More than a few girls I met told me that they choose the best looking guys. Especially the hot girls in their 20's who are just playing around on this site. I just hit up the girls who favorite me. Because it show already they're interested so makes things a whole lot easier. I even met a girl who came here from London. Pretty cool that one.Case closed.
You bring up a good question. Why should you or anyone else care what the idiot says? I think the answer is this: if the purpose of this forum is to provide advice and guidance as to where mongers should spend their money through credible reviews, then the reviews should be credible and not biased or influenced by other factors (ie- being somehow compensated by the AMP they are reporting on). This guy goes OUT OF HIS WAY to post biased reports using MULTIPLE ALIASES to influence people. If unsuspecting mongers believe ALL of his aliases' reports then the effect is like a Ponzi scheme. He has so many aliases (I've only called out a few) that he is single handedly making a mockery of the forum. That's my take on the situation anyway. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion.After fucking several well known provider over a period of time, I was informed that certain individuals are compensated for writing and reporting to generate more business. Furthermore, if there is a negative review. Then she can have him write positive reviews to off set it. The provider gave me his alias's and a clear description of the writer. The writer goes around different establishments and post ads and pictures as well. She even told me how he performed during the sex part (not up to par, fat guy). I would write what she told me about the writer, but I cannot do that. Sorry I cannot disclose that information. Just a note to all the newbies out there. Do not believe everything you read. A lot of the reports are wishful thinking. It could just be a fantasy when they write. Review and study carefully. Remember, some people write and are being compensated. They use different alias's. I am writing this because I was offered at one time to get paid monthly and write (I declined the offer). Good luck guys, Remember also, they take your money and they don't care about you. All they want is your money. They are actors and will try to fulfil your fantasy. That is their occupation. Don't get sucked in to those pussys, its worst than drugs once you get hooked.
After fucking several well known provider over a period of time, I was informed that certain individuals are compensated for writing and reporting to generate more business. Furthermore, if there is a negative review. Then she can have him write positive reviews to off set it. The provider gave me his alias's and a clear description of the writer. The writer goes around different establishments and post ads and pictures as well. She even told me how he performed during the sex part (not up to par, fat guy). I would write what she told me about the writer, but I cannot do that. Sorry I cannot disclose that information. Just a note to all the newbies out there. Do not believe everything you read. A lot of the reports are wishful thinking. It could just be a fantasy when they write. Review and study carefully. Remember, some people write and are being compensated. They use different alias's. I am writing this because I was offered at one time to get paid monthly and write (I declined the offer). Good luck guys, Remember also, they take your money and they don't care about you. All they want is your money. They are actors and will try to fulfil your fantasy. That is their occupation. Don't get sucked in to those pussys, its worst than drugs once you get hooked.Wow. Your firsthand experience confirms what seemed obvious to me. It makes total sense and explains THE WHY part of the question IE- Why would someone take the time and energy to create so many aliases and post and answer his own questions and comments through the different disguises? Take reviews with a huge grain of salt guys- especially by the screen names already named.
After fucking several well known provider over a period of time, I was informed that certain individuals are compensated for writing and reporting to generate more business. Furthermore, if there is a negative review. Then she can have him write positive reviews to off set it. The provider gave me his alias's and a clear description of the writer. The writer goes around different establishments and post ads and pictures as well. She even told me how he performed during the sex part (not up to par, fat guy). I would write what she told me about the writer, but I cannot do that. Sorry I cannot disclose that information. Just a note to all the newbies out there. Do not believe everything you read. A lot of the reports are wishful thinking. It could just be a fantasy when they write. Review and study carefully. Remember, some people write and are being compensated. They use different alias's. I am writing this because I was offered at one time to get paid monthly and write (I declined the offer). Good luck guys, Remember also, they take your money and they don't care about you. All they want is your money. They are actors and will try to fulfil your fantasy. That is their occupation. Don't get sucked in to those pussys, its worst than drugs once you get hooked.Raider wrote a shit load about a certain one who worked at rejuve but had to move suddenly because of him going into woogie mode. I was told it's because of him. I also notice he no longer writes about her like she's his gf. In fact he doesn't write about her at all anymore. Pretty funny really.
And I'm also starting to believe that weirdo majik and him are the same people. But it's like the other cat wrote. You can't let these things worry you. Only thing you should be concerned with is the date you make and how that goes.
ClintonPortis
06-12-17, 20:31
TEHO. Believe what you want. I never got incredible deals on SA, but I did get a lot of response because I posted real photos of me and also exchanged real photos when trying to meet. I stopped because after the first 54.00 month it went to 79.00 and after 3 months of that I felt it was too expensive.
Read my posts again please. I have my own writing style and never humble brag. I have many posts on the girls and if you look, they have my style which is completely different from Dr M and Nephlim. Even Nephlim has his own style.
But, believe what you want. Dunno why you give a guy who just started posting and has ni provider reports any credibility.At least with respect to SA. If I did, I'm sorry.
But then how do you explain RockCandy's detective work regarding the wording similarities between your writing and the writing of the other alleged aliases? That exact phrase was used 3 separate times by 3 different aliases.
Lonely Smiles
06-12-17, 21:02
There are some things that should be kept BCD, and not post on the boards because then it may open the floodgates of requests that a provider might not want to do with everyone. You don't say?
In addition to what was already posted without relinquishing more unique events that occurred...From the moment she walked into the room until the end of the hour. NRA PSE-XXX.Okay doc.
Besides we don't want Yuna to become to tired out so early in her Kison career!Mr. PRS, the keeper of secrets. Is that your game? To generate as many forum private messages as possible?
After fucking several well known provider over a period of time, I was informed that certain individuals are compensated for writing and reporting to generate more business. Furthermore, if there is a negative review. Then she can have him write positive reviews to off set it. The provider gave me his alias's and a clear description of the writer. The writer goes around different establishments and post ads and pictures as well. She even told me how he performed during the sex part (not up to par, fat guy). I would write what she told me about the writer, but I cannot do that. Sorry I cannot disclose that information. Just a note to all the newbies out there. Do not believe everything you read. A lot of the reports are wishful thinking. It could just be a fantasy when they write. Review and study carefully. Remember, some people write and are being compensated. They use different alias's. I am writing this because I was offered at one time to get paid monthly and write (I declined the offer). Good luck guys, Remember also, they take your money and they don't care about you. All they want is your money. They are actors and will try to fulfil your fantasy. That is their occupation. Don't get sucked in to those pussys, its worst than drugs once you get hooked.I too was offered compensation for writing favorable repots but not on a monthly basis but rather by individual providers. I've also been told by more than a few providers that there is a person on this board who has a dozen or so aliases and writes the majority of the long, detailed reports. Not saying I know it as fact, just repeating what I've been told.
Wow. Your firsthand experience confirms what seemed obvious to me. It makes total sense and explains THE WHY part of the question IE- Why would someone take the time and energy to create so many aliases and post and answer his own questions and comments through the different disguises? Take reviews with a huge grain of salt guys- especially by the screen names already named.I would just like to say that it is highly likely that Dr. Gyno is just another one of this "dr magikluv's" aliases.
Member #5810
06-13-17, 04:36
At least with respect to SA. If I did, I'm sorry.
But then how do you explain RockCandy's detective work regarding the wording similarities between your writing and the writing of the other alleged aliases? That exact phrase was used 3 separate times by 3 different aliases.I respect you so I'd like to say that I use the connection and chemistry phrases that other guys use. To me it's important when I meet a provider. Sorry if it sounds like I'm someone else. Here's and idea. Ask Admin if I have other aliases. I have nothing to hide. Just this one name here.
Member #5810
06-13-17, 04:41
Raider wrote a shit load about a certain one who worked at rejuve but had to move suddenly because of him going into woogie mode. I was told it's because of him. I also notice he no longer writes about her like she's his gf. In fact he doesn't write about her at all anymore. Pretty funny really.
And I'm also starting to believe that weirdo majik and him are the same people. But it's like the other cat wrote. You can't let these things worry you. Only thing you should be concerned with is the date you make and how that goes.You should follow your own advice.
And get your facts straight. Not going to waste time with innuendos and untruths by you.
I would just like to say that it is highly likely that Dr. Gyno is just another one of this "dr magikluv's" aliases.At this point nothing would surprise me. He has so many aliases it's not even funny.
Raiden, Pgun69 and dr majikshow used the acronym DDFK. Another coincidence? Highly unlikely.
Good report. Does she DDFK or DFK?
It was LFK, which was fine by me. Not sure what DDFK is as opposed to DFK.Here Raiden explains what Professorgun69 means by DDFK. I wonder how he knows what ovum means?
I think DDFK is super deep Porno style French kissing down your throat kind. Haha. I love that too!And of course here we gave the doc himself using the term.
Maybe you should start a new thread?? YMMV but Dallas is the BEST overall DFK and passionate DDFK GF IMO! Dallas is passionate and sensual with her DFK well at least with me IMHO.
Other DFK'ers at Happiness are Kimmie, Leii, Cindy, Yuna, Naomi, Stella, Laura and Sugar. Note this maybe a YMMV thing.
Other DFK'ers formerly at Kison were Pink and Tera. Other DFK'ers Yuri at Golden Spa. Other DFK'ers: Luxx and Wara former Empire girls. Aria formerly at Rejuve. Funn formerly at Top Spa. Shiny formerly at Tokyo Spa; Is Shiny still around?Same guy. Different aliases.
ChibiMonger
06-13-17, 17:24
Honestly we should just stop talking about it. Someone like drmajik somehow gets off from writing fabricated fantasies, making up stupid acronyms and trying to get dudes online to pm him with all the 'amazing extras' he routinely gets from all these top providers that he can't talk about. Giving him this level of attention just gives him more fuel for when he wants to jerk himself off later.
LoseMoney23
06-13-17, 17:35
Raiden, Pgun69 and dr majikshow used the acronym DDFK. Another coincidence? Highly unlikely.
Here Raiden explains what Professorgun69 means by DDFK. I wonder how he knows what ovum means?
And of course here we gave the doc himself using the term.
Same guy. Different aliases.Perry Mason or Columbo at its finest detective work.
What a fuk in loser that raiden dood.
[*QUOTE=WarriorForLife;3429068]Be like the brothers here. Why chase the KBGs? Just go to AMP to get a HE or HJ.
KBGs are ROB. They have many honeys and all say " I love you" to make you chase.
If you like grandma for some fun. Go to Waterfall.
Only lonely grandpa chase KBGs these days.
Hope all that helps. [ / QUOTE*. ].
Hey Dick T oops I mean WFL I didn't know you were a lonely grandpa! Most of your reports are about chasing after "The Fox" and hoping she'll marry you right? Of course maybe you are hoping all of us will go to the AMPs so that your "honey" has no choice but you. Good move haha!
SS.
I have no dog in this fight, but I felt the need to clear something up. I saw that someone below was accusing Raiden of being an alt of DrMajikLuv69 simply because he used the same acronym. That was puzzling because it seems as though their review styles are very different. Just to say that they're the same person because they used the same acronym is pretty simplistic, so I looked at two of their reviews to compare their writing styles, which is a better way to determine if someone has multiple identities. Here's a sample of each one of their reviews:
Just visited Shiny again last night. I posted several in depth reviews before on her so won't go and repeat again. Just see my other posts on her. She's a real sweetheart too. Always happy to see me and in a good mood. Brightens my day. YMMV as always. I want to be sure to mention this because has some guys who came to see her and we're upset they did not get the same services. Some guys even specifically mentioned oh. How come you. Did for him and not for me. No class guys. It's always ladies choice and YMMV. My posts are my. Personal experience and you MAY get the same.
Anyway, I will post the special things she does which make her special to me.
After the hugs and kisses in the room we went to the back shower where she gave me a thorough cleaning followed by her super sexy nuru gel b2 b. She bought the genuine stuff. Super slippery and oh so sexy when she glides her body and breasts all overy my body. That was followed by some. Intense P2 P. Damn almost popped them and there. Had to make her stop. Haha. She rinsed me off humming and bubbling with enthusiasm. Dried me off like I was a king. Even went to dry between my toes.
Took my hand and off back to the room. Repeat of what I posted before. Super session, bbbjdt, bls, deep deep rimming, daty, dato,69,cg, acg, racg, mish. Mama called time and then overtime notice so she ripped off the cover and went to town on me, bbbjdt, fia and in 5 minutes I was blown out.
Got to say, I just love how she does this thing where she sucks all your juices out and then. Let's it run out of her mouth down your dick all the time her eyes locked on to you. Then she sucks it back in. Oh so damn sexy.
Was overtime so hurried to take a shower together, but again she washed me head to toe then dried me off. So romantic. Took my hand, back the the room and helped me dress. Kiss and hug then cold soda. And out the door.
Really. Love how she treats me like if I was her boyfriend. She's a sweetheart. Treat her good and she'll take care of you.
Every now an then film producer and directors will reboot a movie. If there was a reboot movie; Kimi would be a super star. Kimi looked refreshed; very pretty, and ready to reboot her PSSE (Porn Super Star Experience). I've seen Kimi since her debut at Sweet Spa and then with the sequel at Kison. When I first saw her at Sweet Spa she provided the best PSE GFE combo ever. Her BBBJ and Rimming were on point. Flawless performance. However something happened when she went to Kison; her service became mediocre, thus when she went to Happiness for the trilogy; I didn't really see her at Happiness. It's been a while since I last saw Kimi, however I'm glad did. This installment of Episode IV was incredible! Kimi looked radiant and I love her new look. She worked out and you can really tell by looking at her tighter body. I am so happy for her and so proud of her accomplishments.
Episode IV started with non other than Ms. Happy herself giving me the reintroduction to Kimi. Might I add that Ms. Happy looked absolutely radiant herself. If she was working, I do her. (wink wink)
Anyway Ms. Happy reintroduced her as the drums rolled. As soon as Kimi entered the room in her skin tight black "fishnet" little dress, I was like "Oh them Gee! We immediately DFK like lost lovers. I'm talking DDFK with lots of tongue exploring each other. YMMV. Kimi then gave me a BBBJ as she sensually kissed my chest abs. After about ten minutes of this we went to the showers for a quick rinse. I had already showered before going to Happiness, however I always like to take a quick rinse before the main event. I'm not much of a TS guy as I would rather spend my time in the room. Occasionally I will do a TS now and then. Kimi gave me the best rinse paying special attention to my feet and in between my toes as she "washed massaged" them. Ultimate mini foot massage.
Back at the room Kimi sensually kissed me everywhere. I mean she slowly and passionately kissed my neck, behind my ears, my back, chest, nipples, abs, and paid special attention to my ass. Kimi is now number one in the "Light Tongue Rim Job BSL BBBJ Combo". Freaking unbelievable. Kimi had me bent over on the bed, and YMMV but went lightly deep. Conceptually it's difficult to describe her technique but the best words would be passionately lightly deep. Then she kissed my hamstrings, calves and worked her was back for more of my ass. Just when I thought she was done, she would attack my ass with more incredible light deep tongue action. Switching to BSL BBBJ and back to more rimming. This went on for about 15 to 20 minutes. Kimi then directed me to lie down, and then gave me the best BBBJ BSL rim job. Kimi had me in all kinds of yoga positions. I actually caught a cramp in my abs. I asked her for 69 and she ate my ass out again in 69. After a few orgasm for Kimi in 69, she flipped around. This went on for about 5 minutes or more, then we transitioned to CG. (no lube needed). Damn she was tight, so we took it slow at first until she got acclimated. Once in the groove, Kimi began to ride the CG with the FMBA. Kimi was so wet and tight that it was difficult not to cum. Switched the position to avoid cumming to fast. After GC we transitioned to missionary after another 10 minutes in various missionary positions. Finally came. We held on to each other and DFK'd for another few minutes. Then she asked me to lie down and Kimi gave me the best massage that I've ever had at an AMP. Mama called time but Kimi's NRA and she kept massaging. Mama called time again, but she finished up with a couple more minutes of massage then we went to the shower.
Back at the room Kimi treated me like a king as she helped me get dressed and even put my socks and laced up my shoes. It was just like the Sweet Spa days. Kissed goodbye and went out the main door right into the side door. Talked with Happy for a short while. It is always so nice to see her. Happy looked sexy with her white dress on. I really admire Happy, she's a great business woman, but also has a heart of gold. That is rare amongst girls these days. Hugged Happy goodbye and I didn't want to let her go. Will see Ms. Happy soon.
Side Note: I spelt Kimi rather than Kimmy or Kimmie, and the rationale being I know personally know three girls named Kimi and the all spell it "Kimi" rather Kimmy or Kimmie. All of the 3 girls that I know named Kimi are also Korean. Will definitely repeat with Kimi. By the way all the girls in the hallway of Happiness looked absolutely hot. So hard to make a decision on who to see.It seems pretty clear to me that their writing styles are very different from one another. Raiden style is very informal, with short, staccato phrasing. DrMajik tends to write long, flowery descriptions. There's no way they're the same person. Regarding the third alt mentioned, I have no idea. Maybe when I have time, I'll take another look.
I have no dog in this fight, but I felt the need to clear something up. I saw that someone below was accusing Raiden of being an alt of DrMajikLuv69 simply because he used the same acronym. That was puzzling because it seems as though their review styles are very different. Just to say that they're the same person because they used the same acronym is pretty simplistic, so I looked at two of their reviews to compare their writing styles, which is a better way to determine if someone has multiple identities. Here's a sample of each one of their reviews:
It seems pretty clear to me that their writing styles are very different from one another. Raiden style is very informal, with short, staccato phrasing. DrMajik tends to write long, flowery descriptions. There's no way they're the same person. Regarding the third alt mentioned, I have no idea. Maybe when I have time, I'll take another look.Nice work. You've convinced me. Let me apologize to Raiden. My bad.
I have no dog in this fight, but I felt the need to clear something up. I saw that someone below was accusing Raiden of being an alt of DrMajikLuv69 simply because he used the same acronym. That was puzzling because it seems as though their review styles are very different. Just to say that they're the same person because they used the same acronym is pretty simplistic, so I looked at two of their reviews to compare their writing styles, which is a better way to determine if someone has multiple identities. Here's a sample of each one of their reviews:
It seems pretty clear to me that their writing styles are very different from one another. Raiden style is very informal, with short, staccato phrasing. DrMajik tends to write long, flowery descriptions. There's no way they're the same person. Regarding the third alt mentioned, I have no idea. Maybe when I have time, I'll take another look.Over time, I've read numerous posts by Raiden and DrMajikLuv69, and agree that they have noticeably different writing styles. It would be extremely difficult for one person to separately and consistently maintain both writing styles in a total of over two-thousand posts. Also, the term "DDFK" has been used by a variety of posters (including Allin3, Blackhaw, Guy205, InDaMixx, Lkjhgf, OneShort, SlamDunkChamp and TT Twista), not just Raiden, DrMajikLuv69 and ProfessorGun69.
Member #5810
06-14-17, 23:02
I have no dog in this fight, but I felt the need to clear something up. I saw that someone below was accusing Raiden of being an alt of DrMajikLuv69 simply because he used the same acronym. That was puzzling because it seems as though their review styles are very different. Just to say that they're the same person because they used the same acronym is pretty simplistic, so I looked at two of their reviews to compare their writing styles, which is a better way to determine if someone has multiple identities. Here's a sample of each one of their reviews:
It seems pretty clear to me that their writing styles are very different from one another. Raiden style is very informal, with short, staccato phrasing. DrMajik tends to write long, flowery descriptions. There's no way they're the same person. Regarding the third alt mentioned, I have no idea. Maybe when I have time, I'll take another look.Thank you my bruddah. That's what I've been saying all along. And like I posted earlier, check with Admin. I do not have any aliases.
Member #5810
06-14-17, 23:04
Over time, I've read numerous posts by Raiden and DrMajikLuv69, and agree that they have noticeably different writing styles. It would be extremely difficult for one person to separately and consistently maintain both writing styles in a total of over two-thousand posts. Also, the term "DDFK" has been used by a variety of posters (including Allin3, Blackhaw, Guy205, InDaMixx, Lkjhgf, OneShort, SlamDunkChamp and TT Twista), not just Raiden, DrMajikLuv69 and ProfessorGun69.Thank you Red. As you can see I seem to have some troll haters. And regarding the DDFK, I was just venturing a guess to what it meant. I never used it before.
I have no dog in this fight, but I felt the need to clear something up. I saw that someone below was accusing Raiden of being an alt of DrMajikLuv69 simply because he used the same acronym. That was puzzling because it seems as though their review styles are very different. Just to say that they're the same person because they used the same acronym is pretty simplistic, so I looked at two of their reviews to compare their writing styles, which is a better way to determine if someone has multiple identities. Here's a sample of each one of their reviews:
It seems pretty clear to me that their writing styles are very different from one another. Raiden style is very informal, with short, staccato phrasing. DrMajik tends to write long, flowery descriptions. There's no way they're the same person. Regarding the third alt mentioned, I have no idea. Maybe when I have time, I'll take another look.You need to do more thorogh. Investigating of their posts. If you believe they are not the same person. He is purposely altering. The writing styles of each alias. So that no body can tell it same guy. Or not. Get me drift? Ok cool. And it not only DDFK. It many other things they do same way. You only looked at two of their reviews. To make a conclusion? That's not good investigative journalism if you ask me. Not picking a fight wit you. Just stating a fact.
Over time, I've read numerous posts by Raiden and DrMajikLuv69, and agree that they have noticeably different writing styles. It would be extremely difficult for one person to separately and consistently maintain both writing styles in a total of over two-thousand posts. Also, the term "DDFK" has been used by a variety of posters (including Allin3, Blackhaw, Guy205, InDaMixx, Lkjhgf, OneShort, SlamDunkChamp and TT Twista), not just Raiden, DrMajikLuv69 and ProfessorGun69.Redneck bro! My man I got the utmost speck for ya. But dog you being duped man! This mofo good at deceiving by throwing all kind of writing styles at yuall. But dude you got to look at patterns within the posts man. That's where the smokin guns are! K? Peace out.
Thank you Red. As you can see I seem to have some troll haters. And regarding the DDFK, I was just venturing a guess to what it meant. I never used it before.I agree with macko and red, raiden not the same.
As for drmaj and shooting star, well no comment haha but very suspicious same style egotistic writing.
Lonely Smiles
06-15-17, 00:52
I also don't think Raiden and Magicluv are the same. I could be mistaken and it's all a long con.
Obviously, I'm not a big fan of the doctor or his braggart style. But I've never had a problem with Raiden. Over my time on the forums, my impression is that he has contributed plenty of credible intel.
Redneck bro! My man I got the utmost speck for ya. But dog you being duped man! This mofo good at deceiving by throwing all kind of writing styles at yuall. But dude you got to look at patterns within the posts man. That's where the smokin guns are! K? Peace out.You have made and stated your opinion, enough already. The original A2 years ago said it you will always have Trolls, the only way to shut them up is to not respond. And they will wither on the vine.
This Shill is just that Happys Shill, but he not the only one as she pays with food, and extras. Guys get to brag Mama fed them in the kitchen and they saw who and who etc. You know the route. Like I said enough already, this thread was created unfortunately due to a war I was having with 2 trolls on the KB thread. I regret that to this day but right is right. The point has been made the screen names have been exposed (probably not all of them) and it is time to let it lie and rest in peace.
Anyone reading this blog should be aware of opinions are not the same and take everything with a grain of salt. Or a beer. Or a SHOT! To each his own. Be safe and safe mongering. If this continues the only looser going be RC as it will show how big you really are. This my 2 cents ain't worth nothing. THE point has been MADE!!
What do you mean by original A2 brotherman? When it says A2 it's me, the original, I promise.
There was Jax, then there was me, I have some helpers but none of them use my name. Not yelling, just wondering.
A2
Member #5810
06-15-17, 02:29
I also don't think Raiden and Magicluv are the same. I could be mistaken and it's all a long con.
Obviously, I'm not a big fan of the doctor or his braggart style. But I've never had a problem with Raiden. Over my time on the forums, my impression is that he has contributed plenty of credible intel.Thank you LS. I think I've been on the forum a lot longer than Dr. M. And my posts have always followed a pattern. Also, the services I received were great but not extraordinary. I've always said YMMV meaning you could get better than me or less then me depending on the provider.
And to lay this to rest, the girls know my name and my screen name here. So I'm just one guy with one screen name. Anyway, I no mo time write under an alias.
I have no dog in this fight, but I felt the need to clear something up. I saw that someone below was accusing Raiden of being an alt of DrMajikLuv69 simply because he used the same acronym. That was puzzling because it seems as though their review styles are very different. Just to say that they're the same person because they used the same acronym is pretty simplistic, so I looked at two of their reviews to compare their writing styles, which is a better way to determine if someone has multiple identities. Here's a sample of each one of their reviews:
It seems pretty clear to me that their writing styles are very different from one another. Raiden style is very informal, with short, staccato phrasing. DrMajik tends to write long, flowery descriptions. There's no way they're the same person. Regarding the third alt mentioned, I have no idea. Maybe when I have time, I'll take another look.Look at these two reviews by Raiden. The first one is VERY staccato with unnecessary periods inserted at incomplete sentences. The second post is more like "regular" grammar. There are many examples of the extreme staccato style as well as the other one. It sure seems weird to me that he can have both styles intermittently. It's seems to me that his older posts are more of the staccato style than the more recent ones. Caught slipping? Seems like he was trying to disguise in his older style but has gotten sloppier in his efforts recently.
You need to do more thorogh. Investigating of their posts. If you believe they are not the same person. He is purposely altering. The writing styles of each alias. So that no body can tell it same guy. Or not. Get me drift? Ok cool. And it not only DDFK. It many other things they do same way. You only looked at two of their reviews. To make a conclusion? That's not good investigative journalism if you ask me. Not picking a fight wit you. Just stating a fact.How's that for data? An analytics nerd probably can come with the numbers for different usernames and their positive and negative reviews of mentioned providers. What's their ratio of good or bad reviews at a certain AMP?
Mongerholic
06-15-17, 03:19
LMFAO,
By the time I read all this bs he said he said I could have banged a couple of the hotties from Happiness, Rejuve, or Dream Therapy. Bottom line for me is I'll report the pertinent stuff--reviews of service providers to help my fellow monger brothers.
M.
Does all the alias have the green dot light up at the same time?
Does all the alias have the green dot light up at the same time?Just a guess but they light up upon login so if you logged in all the alias then they all light up. If you only log in one then only one sows up.
Admin could do an IP ban, but those who post surreptitiously, have many IPs via, home, cell phone, or even posting off free wi-fi like Starbucks, Ala Moana, Apple Store. Or even TWC wi-fi. These "free" IPs will also block others that use the same IP. Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware. Just take every post with a grain of salt.
Why are posters reviewing guys now? Let's talk about pussy! :) :) :)
Admin could do an IP ban, but those who post surreptitiously, have many IPs via, home, cell phone, or even posting off free wi-fi like Starbucks, Ala Moana, Apple Store. Or even TWC wi-fi. These "free" IPs will also block others that use the same IP. Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware. Just take every post with a grain of salt.Well you're missing the point about this uproar.
With every shitty poster or shill post, this place loses integrity.
It's in the mods interest to do better and I'm not just talking about being gestapo.
Bulgogi Boy
06-15-17, 13:23
Posts 1129,1124 and 1123.
But I really don't give a shit if Drmagicfuk, professorgun or raiden are the same dude. I don't read DrMagicFuks posts because he adds nothing to the understanding of a girl. All he does is talk about himself and why he gets stuff from girls that others don't. Guess what Adonis, you aren't the only one, but you are the only one talking about it.
I like and read Red's reports because he provides useful information. The only thing I don't like about Red is his taste in the looks of girls. If I could see a picture of the girls he reviews, they are spot on. Rico is good, too.
I do appreciate the discussion of shills because I'd like to know who they are so that I can put them on ignore.
Posts 1129,1124 and 1123.What's your point?
Why are posters reviewing guys now? Let's talk about pussy! :) :) :)That's why we have this LOLO thread. Keep the other threads clean for reviewing providers, right?
BeastieBoyz
06-15-17, 14:56
What's the deal with all the providers who specify "no black men".
They just don't like then? They would rather have fat ugly bald white guy than an athletic nice black guy? Don't Tell me it's a size issue. We know parts come in all different sizes in all colors.
You are about to find out why this topic isn't allowed on regular threads. From time to time I let one through to demonstrate why it's not.
A2
But I really don't give a shit if Drmagicfuk, professorgun or raiden are the same dude. I don't read DrMagicFuks posts because he adds nothing to the understanding of a girl. All he does is talk about himself and why he gets stuff from girls that others don't. Guess what Adonis, you aren't the only one, but you are the only one talking about it.
I like and read Red's reports because he provides useful information. The only thing I don't like about Red is his taste in the looks of girls. If I could see a picture of the girls he reviews, they are spot on. Rico is good, too.
I do appreciate the discussion of shills because I'd like to know who they are so that I can put them on ignore.Well said bradah.
HeineHeine
06-15-17, 15:42
Look at these two reviews by Raiden. The first one is VERY staccato with unnecessary periods inserted at incomplete sentences. The second post is more like "regular" grammar. There are many examples of the extreme staccato style as well as the other one. It sure seems weird to me that he can have both styles intermittently. It's seems to me that his older posts are more of the staccato style than the more recent ones. Caught slipping? Seems like he was trying to disguise in his older style but has gotten sloppier in his efforts recently.There may be some merit to some of your earlier posts, though admittedly you can prove absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. Interesting though. But now its turned into a good old fashioned witch hunt. A person in this community has been on a soapbox for a while now, they ve had the stage and spotlight but now won't get off the very same stage. Maybe no attention in real life? I like raidens reports and hadn't seen anyone else mention Naomi, who was kison's best kept secret. So by accussing someone without any proof whatsoever when should the hunter become the hunted. And I don't see raiden starting a new acct to post in beef lolo. Know anyone like that?
Thank you Red. As you can see I seem to have some troll haters. And regarding the DDFK, I was just venturing a guess to what it meant. I never used it before.If you were just venturing a guess as to what profgun meant by DDFK, why in the hell would you do that? Why would you speculate on the meaning if you NEVER USED IT BEFORE? Why not just let professor dickhead explain it himself? It's just another example of the MANY times you, drmajikfut, prof dickhead, shootngballs boy, Nephilim and your other aliases stroke each others' dicks in self-conversations.
So for the record, what is YOUR personal opinion of the doc? I'd like to know.
Well you're missing the point about this uproar.
With every shitty poster or shill post, this place loses integrity.
It's in the mods interest to do better and I'm not just talking about being gestapo.That's bullshit. First of all, everyone has different tastes. So just because someone gives a girl great reviews, it doesn't mean she is great whether or not the guy is a shill. Shills are obvious. They don't provide much detail and the detail they provide often times contradicts other reviews. It is incumbent upon the reader to determine the reviewers they like and don't like. Whoever gets you reliable information based on what your personal tastes are like is who you go to.
I know that Drmagicfuk is real because I asked the mamas about him. I just do not like or trust his reviews because they are self serving narratives to make himself look good without providing new or relevant information. So, he is a real poster who I view as worthless.
If a shill comes here and says that a Sanho girl offers good service and BBBJ with natural boobs and someone I trust verifies it, I am there even though that place has shit providers. So, it doesn't matter if a person is a shill. It matters how a person does their own due diligence to find out what is real vs. Not.
Had anyone only gone in for a Nuru massage? Would it be acceptable to only request for a nuru massage?I don't understand what you're trying to do. You've been to Happiness and apparently had an unprotected encounter and you continue to ask questions about what happened. You're concerned because you have a SO and are worried about possibly infecting her. Why do you continue going if "you're so concerned about infections. " If you decided to go to CC, you could still be infected by a therapist who is not thorough in her sanitation process. Sounds very fishy.
Well you're missing the point about this uproar.
With every shitty poster or shill post, this place loses integrity.
It's in the mods interest to do better and I'm not just talking about being gestapo.Gestapo, I like that. I need to go buy a leather trench coat.
There's only one way to stop trolls from being trolls, that's to charge you guys 20 bucks a month. If we did that nobody would have multiple accounts. You guys want a free forum and we are happy to provide one so that's out. Please, seriously fucking please do not tell me that the way to do it is to check their IP addresses. I think there's only two ISP's or something in Hawaii because everybody and I really mean everybody comes up if I check an IP so that's out. It's not hard, you read the threads, if YOU think a guy is doing that then put the users on your ignore list. You protect the integrity of your experience on the forum. We protect the integrity of it by letting more not less info out there for you to evaluate. That's how free forums work. I'm sorry if you're not intelligent enough to do that for yourself but we are going to continue to allow you guys to read, evaluate, and put what utility you wish in the posts you see.
Seriously though, I liked the Gestapo thing. Nobody else has ever called me a Nazi. Well today anyway.
A2.
Here is what Yuri told me about Fuckwad. This is unfiltered information from Yuri. I haven't vetted the information and I am only providing it here because Fuckwad made his case against Sunflower and this provides the other side of the story. Do not shoot the messenger.
Basically, the girls at Sunflower do not like Fuckwad. He is rough with the girls, demands services they don't offer specifically after they said it was not on their menu. There is more, but I think you get the point. Since he was complaining that Sunflower wasn't providing Empire like services, I think we all can figure out what he did. Hopefully, he will get a clue and move on to other AMPs.
Also, Yuri is a provider. The stories on the board about her not offering services because she has a boyfriend are not true. I am going to see her next week and she promised to fuck my brains out. Fuckwad keeps stalking her to get her to have sex with him. He even offered $500 and more. She told me that if he offered $2000, she still wouldn't fuck him. Whoever you are, stop fucking stalking Yuri. Get a clue, she does not want to see you.
Member #5810
06-15-17, 22:18
If you were just venturing a guess as to what profgun meant by DDFK, why in the hell would you do that? Why would you speculate on the meaning if you NEVER USED IT BEFORE? Why not just let professor dickhead explain it himself? It's just another example of the MANY times you, drmajikfut, prof dickhead, shootngballs boy, Nephilim and your other aliases stroke each others' dicks in self-conversations.
So for the record, what is YOUR personal opinion of the doc? I'd like to know.For the record. I know Dr. Is a real person because several providers know who he is. I don't read his posts much because he seems to get private special services that I probably couldn't get and also because several providers have told me in the past he never got what he said he got. And I feel most all his posts are very similar regarding pse xxx etc. Etc.
And to comment on my staccato style with the periods all over the place. It's because I am writing on mobIle and I keep hitting the period button when trying to hit the space button. Fat thumbs. And I'm too lazy to correct it. Sometimes I have more time so I write more proper.
Believe what you will.
There may be some merit to some of your earlier posts, though admittedly you can prove absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. Interesting though. But now its turned into a good old fashioned witch hunt. A person in this community has been on a soapbox for a while now, they ve had the stage and spotlight but now won't get off the very same stage. Maybe no attention in real life? I like raidens reports and hadn't seen anyone else mention Naomi, who was kison's best kept secret. So by accussing someone without any proof whatsoever when should the hunter become the hunted. And I don't see raiden starting a new acct to post in beef lolo. Know anyone like that?I find your post puzzling. First, not sure what you mean by you hadn't seen anyone else mention Naomi in the Kison thread. There are a lot of people posting on her in the thread and Raiden barely mentions her except in 3 lineup posts. WTF?
Second, I offered several examples that established patterns of striking similarities between the already mentioned aliases. So I think that constitutes a preponderance of evidence, which is the required level of proof necessary for a verdict in a civil trial. So I beg to differ on your statement that I'm making accusations without any proof.
BeastieBoyz
06-16-17, 00:17
Gestapo, I like that. I need to go buy a leather trench coat.
Seriously though, I liked the Gestapo thing. Nobody else has ever called me a Nazi. Well today anyway.
A2.I called you a Nazi under 3 different aliases and you banned 2 of them.
You're kind of proving my point about trolls. This is your third user you registered to get involved in the fights, I don't think you're here for the pussy.
A2
HeineHeine
06-16-17, 02:40
Your first post Ever with this acct is last month on the 9th. Three posts later you attack members who are established seniors. Coincidence?? Lmao hardly. So since you're so big on hidden identities and agendas, start with yourself bro. I can tell from your posts you know the names, you know the places. So before you ask for clarity and honesty offer some yourself! What were your other screen names bro or just a qwik learner? I don't buy bullshit I sell it, fertilizer salesman, yo. Thats WTF I mean. Feel free to pm so we don't have to put on a show for the group okay Hh.
Huggy Duggy
06-16-17, 05:50
For the record. I know Dr. Is a real person because several providers know who he is. I don't read his posts much because he seems to get private special services that I probably couldn't get and also because several providers have told me in the past he never got what he said he got. And I feel most all his posts are very similar regarding pse xxx etc. Etc.
DR is a cronic narcissist.
Doesn't always get his way with the girls I've been told that by some of the girls.
What's the deal with all the providers who specify "no black men".
They just don't like then? They would rather have fat ugly bald white guy than an athletic nice black guy? Don't Tell me it's a size issue. We know parts come in all different sizes in all colors.
You are about to find out why this topic isn't allowed on regular threads. From time to time I let one through to demonstrate why it's not.
A2Contrary to what you may believe, a working girl is NOT an object. She can refuse service to anyone she wants for any reason. A monger is not entitled to put his cock in her pussy just because he has 2 bills.
And it starts
A2
Your first post Ever with this acct is last month on the 9th. Three posts later you attack members who are established seniors. Coincidence?? Lmao hardly. So since you're so big on hidden identities and agendas, start with yourself bro. I can tell from your posts you know the names, you know the places. So before you ask for clarity and honesty offer some yourself! What were your other screen names bro or just a qwik learner? I don't buy bullshit I sell it, fertilizer salesman, yo. Thats WTF I mean. Feel free to pm so we don't have to put on a show for the group okay Hh.You are obviously a drmajikshit supporter. I wonder why? Why your tail feathers all ruffled? My only agenda is that I despise shills and think they damage the forum so I am compelled to do something about it. That's it.
What is YOUR opinion on the doc and shills in general?
For the record. I know Dr. Is a real person because several providers know who he is. I don't read his posts much because he seems to get private special services that I probably couldn't get and also because several providers have told me in the past he never got what he said he got. And I feel most all his posts are very similar regarding pse xxx etc. Etc.
And to comment on my staccato style with the periods all over the place. It's because I am writing on mobIle and I keep hitting the period button when trying to hit the space button. Fat thumbs. And I'm too lazy to correct it. Sometimes I have more time so I write more proper.
Believe what you will.Thank you for providing me with my laugh of the day. You don't follow his posts much? You are one of his biggest cohorts and are constantly replying to him. If you think his posts are bullshit then why do you bother complimenting him on his "stellar" AMP sessions? Also you thank him for providing info on hookers. Why would you even WANT his advice if you thought he was full of shit? Doesn't make sense to me.
Thanks again for the info Doc! Yes, Kimmie and Yuna are great kissers too. LOL. Haven't seen the other girls yet. Nowadays there's just so many great providers it's actually giving me a headache trying to figure out who to see. Want to see Naomi too, but after. Your report Stella. Is. Number one on my must see list. Not to mention Bebe is back too. Argggh.
Of course it's always YMMV. I just hope I can be as fortunate as you to be on the good side of YMMV. We have similar tastes so I trust in what you say as being great. For me. Too. Haha.
Once again much mahalos for. The info!And you claim to share the same type of SPECIAL MENU" that the doc does, which contradicts your statement that he gets special favors that you "probably couldn't get".
Yep Doc, you know that secrets are secrets for a reason. One thing I never compromise on is my promises. So when I promise to keep a secret that it. I have no need to impress or brag as I know how I have a special thing going and that's what matters. I also truly appreciate being held as special and really respect her wishes to privacy. IMHO I think she trusts and believes in me to keep things private and that's one reason I have been fortunate enough to have the private menu. Also, you can be a regular frequent customer and still be on the regular menu. Only if she really does feel a connection can you then be privy to the extras. Just my 2 cents. TEHO.Your efforts to separate yourself from the doc's credibility issues are transparent and obvious. Nice try though.
HeineHeine
06-16-17, 12:55
You are obviously a drmajikshit supporter. I wonder why? Why your tail feathers all ruffled? My only agenda is that I despise shills and think they damage the forum so I am compelled to do something about it. That's it.
What is YOUR opinion on the doc and shills in general?Noticeably absent in your reply. Lmao. So at least you don't refute that this brand new screen name 'rockcandy' is an extension of another online persona you use here JUST like you're trying to accuse some people else. If that's not a hypocrite I don't know what is. Start with yourself bro. Who joins a site brand new and a month later goes on a warpath with 6 or 7 senior members? A liar that's who. Hh.
Obviously 3 shill posts on the Sanho thread.
TWalk and MString.
They have one or two posts each. Capital first and second letter of screen name. Writes reviews unlike most guys on the forum. So obviously shill posts. Unfortunately, it appears that at least 2 posters took the bait and saw that loser Tilla. That's a bad deal for those guys.
Contrary to what you may believe, a working girl is NOT an object. She can refuse service to anyone she wants for any reason. A monger is not entitled to put his cock in her pussy just because he has 2 bills.
And it starts
A2Thank you Goser! You get it! We are not an object just because we choose to do what we do. It is OUR body therefore it is OUR business and we have the RIGHT To SAY NO! Just like you gentleman have the right to walk out on a provider if she is not the girl in the photos. You are not obligated to stay!! Again if the girl is NOT the girl in the photo. You DO NOT HAVE TO SEE HER! So why should it be any different for us? Do not for a second think that a provider has to accommodate you just because you are paying. Believe me when I say bestie boy that the providers talk and they do share information and it's a very quick way to get yourself blacklisted and blueballed. So with all due respect I suggest that you just move on to the next provider and try not to allow providers rules to offend you to the point where your getting butt hurt cause your only wasting your precious time spinning your barrens on this. But if you really need to know. Some have pimps / boyfriends that won't allow them and some might have had bad experiences. Either way just kindly move on to the next and not make an issue of it cause it's not going to change unless the provider chooses to change. ITS CALLED FREE WILL! We all have it!
JD.
What's the deal with all the providers who specify "no black men".
They just don't like then? They would rather have fat ugly bald white guy than an athletic nice black guy? Don't Tell me it's a size issue. We know parts come in all different sizes in all colors.
You are about to find out why this topic isn't allowed on regular threads. From time to time I let one through to demonstrate why it's not.
A2I think you answered your own question within the body of your question. "They would rather have fat ugly bald white guy than an athletic nice black guy". The answer is yes, for the most part, they would indeed rather not be "pounded" to a point of worn out servicing. Stereotyping the "old white guy" I guess places him in the "one and done" category. They are "stereotyped" as being less physically active. Less of a "pounder". True or not, I don't know, but it seems the girls think so. That, plus the potential size issue effects the product rental. Remember the scene in Full Metal Jacket? "Me so horny". The black guy whipped it out to prove he wasn't of large size. It ain't racism, it's stereotyping and it exists everywhere. Under 25 and male? Rental car companies will charge a higher rate because actuaries show under 25 males have a higher track record of accidents and are more "abusive" to the cars. On average there evidently exists enough well endowed black males that there is a marketable condom product that just happens to come in a black package. Stereotyping yes. Racism no.
SS.
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I'm shutting you down. I just reviewed your account. You posted two time about some chick then the rest of the time has been trolling this thread. You seem to be confused about what the forum is for. It's a place to review commercial sex workers but you're intent is to engage with men on the fight thread.
I have enough trolls.
You can post reviews if you want but you can't post in here anymore.
A2
Member #5810
06-16-17, 18:31
Your first post Ever with this acct is last month on the 9th. Three posts later you attack members who are established seniors. Coincidence?? Lmao hardly. So since you're so big on hidden identities and agendas, start with yourself bro. I can tell from your posts you know the names, you know the places. So before you ask for clarity and honesty offer some yourself! What were your other screen names bro or just a qwik learner? I don't buy bullshit I sell it, fertilizer salesman, yo. Thats WTF I mean. Feel free to pm so we don't have to put on a show for the group okay Hh.My thoughts exactly! I'm thru replying and wasting time to this troll.
Honolulu808
06-16-17, 19:20
What's the deal with all the providers who specify "no black men".
They just don't like then? They would rather have fat ugly bald white guy than an athletic nice black guy? Don't Tell me it's a size issue. We know parts come in all different sizes in all colors.
You are about to find out why this topic isn't allowed on regular threads. From time to time I let one through to demonstrate why it's not.
A2At one point in time, when a post had "no black men" it was a code that the provider has a manager (pimp).
BeastieBoyz
06-17-17, 05:26
Thank you Goser! You get it! We are not an object just because we choose to do what we do. It is OUR body therefore it is OUR business and we have the RIGHT To SAY NO! Just like you gentleman have the right to walk out on a provider if she is not the girl in the photos. You are not obligated to stay!! Again if the girl is NOT the girl in the photo. You DO NOT HAVE TO SEE HER! So why should it be any different for us? Do not for a second think that a provider has to accommodate you just because you are paying. Believe me when I say bestie boy that the providers talk and they do share information and it's a very quick way to get yourself blacklisted and blueballed. So with all due respect I suggest that you just move on to the next provider and try not to allow providers rules to offend you to the point where your getting butt hurt cause your only wasting your precious time spinning your barrens on this. But if you really need to know. Some have pimps / boyfriends that won't allow them and some might have had bad experiences. Either way just kindly move on to the next and not make an issue of it cause it's not going to change unless the provider chooses to change. ITS CALLED FREE WILL! We all have it!
JD.I'm sorry I asked the question. But yes I get it and I agree with your points. It's your body and you have ultimate choice and freedom to do what you want with it, as long as you are not hurting others. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Really, I just wanted to know if it was code for something else, or if there was something one needed to watch out for if that phrase was in the ad. I've heard a number of explanations now, both practical and philosophical, and they all seem reasonable to me. So thanks for answering and apologies for presenting the question in a troll-bait like manner.
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I told you, reviews only, you may not post in this thread anymore.
Guys when he starts posting the bullshit reviews to troll those threads just ignore them, don't respond
A2
Huuui! Winnah if you no mind I can throw something out dea? Real simple and I say this with all due respect and much aloha,. If a provider suddenly blocks you for what ever reason. Say being over barring or pushy AFTER she has made it clear you are doing such things then you've realized that you've been blocked because now you have to contact her by blocking your number. If that's the case my I humbly suggest to move on to the next choochoo. There's no choochoo in the world worth going kookoo for. There are two different types of stalking yet only one where a monger can get away with it without looking mento. Let me show you.
Stalker: 1. A person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention. (Creepy psycho stalking)
2. A person who hunts game stealthily. (Monger stalking).
So you see here where a monger can be identified with the second definition. NOW! If you have to constantly use random numbers or block your number AFTER knowing you've been blocked and send emails impersonating anyone other then yourself,. You have now officially downgraded yourself from "valued respectful monger" to "creepy psycho stalker" Good job BTW!
Now I know that the pussy can be just like dope so very addicting but remember this too! Just like dope it's on just about every corner. So if the dealers shop is closed guess what?! Get one crack house next door. What I'm saying guys is it's not worth loosing your shit over. No pussy is! Once you start having to go incognito it's all down hill from there. You've lost your shit and fell deep in the rabbit hole. Don't do it guys! Don't follow that bunny!
Now say out loud. I'm A MONGER NOT A STALKER!! So you hear it and believe it! Thank you that is all!
Xoxoxo JD.
Gotta agree with this, if some chick doesn't want my money somebody else will. It's not like anyone is doing something that nobody else can.
A2
I'm a black guy who's been doing this for about 9 years. I've seen the no black guys, NBA, no A. A. In ads and it really doesn't bother me. I'd rather you let me know so I can move on and look for someone else to spend my time and money with. The only time I've gotten a little annoyed was when I had been in contact with someone for 3 days and when I get to the door she's like I don't see A. A. I got annoyed because I wasted 3 days talking and texting her not because she doesn't see A. A. She was nice enough to hook me up with her friend who I was also looking at when I was doing my research but still its the principle. (BTW annoyed for me is cursing someone out in my mind.) So ladies keep letting me know that you don't see black guys in your ads so that the only time wasted for me would be the time it takes to read your ad.
What's the deal with all the providers who specify "no black men".
They just don't like then? They would rather have fat ugly bald white guy than an athletic nice black guy? Don't Tell me it's a size issue. We know parts come in all different sizes in all colors.
You are about to find out why this topic isn't allowed on regular threads. From time to time I let one through to demonstrate why it's not.
A2
I'm a black guy who's been doing this for about 9 years. I've seen the no black guys, NBA, no A. A. In ads and it really doesn't bother me. I'd rather you let me know so I can move on and look for someone else to spend my time and money with. The only time I've gotten a little annoyed was when I had been in contact with someone for 3 days and when I get to the door she's like I don't see A. A. I got annoyed because I wasted 3 days talking and texting her not because she doesn't see A. A. She was nice enough to hook me up with her friend who I was also looking at when I was doing my research but still its the principle. (BTW annoyed for me is cursing someone out in my mind.) So ladies keep letting me know that you don't see black guys in your ads so that the only time wasted for me would be the time it takes to read your ad.But I bet women will prefer catching you when they are looking for men for pure pleasure in night club.
For professional job girls may prefer guys easier to manage (small soft cocks, guys who get tired so easily and must go home sooner) but for no money only fun pleasure (when they are not paid) they will prefer tall, muscular fitness model-like black dudes.
You may be right or you may be wrong. I prefer not to speculate on why someone won't see black guys. I've read forums on this subject with way too many reasons and rebuttals as to why providers do or don't see us. I look at it the same way I look at asking a girl out and she says no. It doesn't matter once you get shot down as to why she didn't want to go out with you. It's on to the next one. Same rules apply. At the end of the day I have things that I look for when picking a lady to spend time with and if they don't fall into that criteria than I move to someone who does. I imagine providers do the same. Posting it in the ad just lets me know to move on.
But I bet women will prefer catching you when they are looking for men for pure pleasure in night club.
For professional job girls may prefer guys easier to manage (small soft cocks, guys who get tired so easily and must go home sooner) but for no money only fun pleasure (when they are not paid) they will prefer tall, muscular fitness model-like black dudes.
I'm sorry I asked the question. But yes I get it and I agree with your points. It's your body and you have ultimate choice and freedom to do what you want with it, as long as you are not hurting others. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Really, I just wanted to know if it was code for something else, or if there was something one needed to watch out for if that phrase was in the ad. I've heard a number of explanations now, both practical and philosophical, and they all seem reasonable to me. So thanks for answering and apologies for presenting the question in a troll-bait like manner.http://www.modernmandingo.com/no-black-apples-please/
Why prostitutes reject black men.
Anyway I know one well-reviewed provider who usually reject young white dudes and most non-hawaiian white guys. She said it is a kind of jinx that she almost always had bad experience with young white guys like being treated like shit or ripped off such thing.
I would just like to know why do we have a thread for every little thing?
I would just like to know why do we have a thread for every little thing?A few years ago, like an ungrateful asshole, I asked Admin if they could clean things up by getting rid of outdated or no longer applicable threads (eg. The places are long gone) or was it required to keep everything. Never heard back.
I don't remember how many threads there were but it was way less than 171; so many that guys start new threads without seeing that WAY back there already is a thread for that topic. So some are duplicates such as BB Services and Bareback Service. Some are not actually threads, the guy hit the wrong button and created a thread when he meant to post a report, so there's only 1 or 0 posts.
SureYourRight
06-21-17, 12:58
http://www.modernmandingo.com/no-black-apples-please/
Why prostitutes reject black men.
Anyway I know one well-reviewed provider who usually reject young white dudes and most non-hawaiian white guys. She said it is a kind of jinx that she almost always had bad experience with young white guys like being treated like shit or ripped off such thing.This is the most accurate article on the topic I've ever read. I especially like how it illustrates that thinking women enjoy having sex with you as a client is an illusion.
Honolulu808
06-21-17, 14:27
A few years ago, like an ungrateful asshole, I asked Admin if they could clean things up by getting rid of outdated or no longer applicable threads (eg. The places are long gone) or was it required to keep everything. Never heard back.
I don't remember how many threads there were but it was way less than 171; so many that guys start new threads without seeing that WAY back there already is a thread for that topic. So some are duplicates such as BB Services and Bareback Service. Some are not actually threads, the guy hit the wrong button and created a thread when he meant to post a report, so there's only 1 or 0 posts.History is history and should not be deleted. It's one way people learn about the past and use it for a better tomorrow. It is commons that people don't look at history nor use history as a tool for research. Hence, duplicating threads, unnecessary questions about someplace or someone. Usasexguide has the tools to research pass reviews on threads, the unfortunate thing is most mongers don't take the time to use it nor how to use it.
History is history and should not be deleted. It's one way people learn about the past and use it for a better tomorrow. It is commons that people don't look at history nor use history as a tool for research. Hence, duplicating threads, unnecessary questions about someplace or someone. Usasexguide has the tools to research pass reviews on threads, the unfortunate thing is most mongers don't take the time to use it nor how to use it.I agree with you that is the scholarly view with respect to education, but in the prostitution world we move forward and wish the retired girls well, IMHO.
A few years ago, like an ungrateful asshole, I asked Admin if they could clean things up by getting rid of outdated or no longer applicable threads (eg. The places are long gone) or was it required to keep everything. Never heard back.
I don't remember how many threads there were but it was way less than 171; so many that guys start new threads without seeing that WAY back there already is a thread for that topic. So some are duplicates such as BB Services and Bareback Service. Some are not actually threads, the guy hit the wrong button and created a thread when he meant to post a report, so there's only 1 or 0 posts.*raises his hand* as a thread creator, Bareback service (which got locked.) Agree w / braddah CK813. Too many threads for every little thing. Call me OCD, but I prefer more organized folders- plus- it makes it much more easier to search for a particular girl or place. But yup esp the establishments that permanently close down.
Frequenting AMP will affect out real life in negative way?
With 2 benjis, we can choose one among many attractive women. We can rejct women easily. They will treat us like king though I am a man who can only afford macy's and can never afford diamond head house while their bags are from chanel and they earn as much as 1 k a day (some will get 10 customer a day) Without paying they may choose tall muscular haole men in night club or socially successful men.
If we are too accustomed to be treated like hero by pretty women there, will it affect us to be arrogant bs guy in "normal" date pool?? Rating women's attitude and looks as habit while women snob us thinking "I deserve better more attractive taller men"?
Member #5810
06-24-17, 23:33
Frequenting AMP will affect out real life in negative way?
With 2 benjis, we can choose one among many attractive women. We can rejct women easily. They will treat us like king though I am a man who can only afford macy's and can never afford diamond head house while their bags are from chanel and they earn as much as 1 k a day (some will get 10 customer a day) Without paying they may choose tall muscular haole men in night club or socially successful men.
If we are too accustomed to be treated like hero by pretty women there, will it affect us to be arrogant bs guy in "normal" date pool?? Rating women's attitude and looks as habit while women snob us thinking "I deserve better more attractive taller men"?Good point. But I try my best to keep fantasy and reality separate. Although, it does get difficult when you do get very close and begin to have a relationship with the provider. To me, it's like living 2 separate lives and never ever bridging them.
The only way I can find a negative impact is when the provider is like Cam. She is so great you will want that type of sex when you see your S / O. After Cam all I could think of how great the session was and how I wished I had that with the S / O. I had a hard time faking things with the S / O.
Maybe if you get seen walking in and out of an AMP but idc. I can make up things why I was there and the way I look and my background it will work. Until then keep fucking and sucking and have fun and fuck what everyone else thinks or says.
Frequenting AMP will affect out real life in negative way?
With 2 benjis, we can choose one among many attractive women. We can rejct women easily. They will treat us like king though I am a man who can only afford macy's and can never afford diamond head house while their bags are from chanel and they earn as much as 1 k a day (some will get 10 customer a day) Without paying they may choose tall muscular haole men in night club or socially successful men.
If we are too accustomed to be treated like hero by pretty women there, will it affect us to be arrogant bs guy in "normal" date pool?? Rating women's attitude and looks as habit while women snob us thinking "I deserve better more attractive taller men"?
Light Bringer
06-26-17, 18:25
The sex trade is the valley of broken dolls. Not just the working girls, but the clientele too. Some find ways to compensate for the fault lines of their soul and lead a reasonable life and manage a network of healthy relationships, but that is rare or short-lived. Tread lightly, and do not linger too long if you cannot compartmentalize this part of your life.
And if you do get into a relationship, don't try to be a savior. You will just get yourself crucified.
Frequenting AMP will affect out real life in negative way?
With 2 benjis, we can choose one among many attractive women. We can rejct women easily. They will treat us like king though I am a man who can only afford macy's and can never afford diamond head house while their bags are from chanel and they earn as much as 1 k a day (some will get 10 customer a day) Without paying they may choose tall muscular haole men in night club or socially successful men.
If we are too accustomed to be treated like hero by pretty women there, will it affect us to be arrogant bs guy in "normal" date pool?? Rating women's attitude and looks as habit while women snob us thinking "I deserve better more attractive taller men"?
Member #5810
06-26-17, 22:26
The sex trade is the valley of broken dolls. Not just the working girls, but the clientele too. Some find ways to compensate for the fault lines of their soul and lead a reasonable life and manage a network of healthy relationships, but that is rare or short-lived. Tread lightly, and do not linger too long if you cannot compartmentalize this part of your life.
And if you do get into a relationship, don't try to be a savior. You will just get yourself crucified.Well said my friend. We should all remember this.
HeineHeine
06-27-17, 17:04
The sex trade is the valley of broken dolls. Not just the working girls, but the clientele too. Some find ways to compensate for the fault lines of their soul and lead a reasonable life and manage a network of healthy relationships, but that is rare or short-lived. Tread lightly, and do not linger too long if you cannot compartmentalize this part of your life.
And if you do get into a relationship, don't try to be a savior. You will just get yourself crucified.One of the most awesome thing I've ever read here. And the savior rule seems to be the ultimate truth. I know someone who has taken on repair job after repair job, and always left with pain and legal bills. You nailed it. Hh.
Does anyone know how I can get someone to pay? He dug out and has done it a few times and owes me 900.
I guess joke is on me but does anyone have advice?
Does anyone know how I can get someone to pay? He dug out and has done it a few times and owes me 900.
I guess joke is on me but does anyone have advice?A few times? After the first time, there should never have been again time.
Little Dickie
06-28-17, 13:54
Does anyone know how I can get someone to pay? He dug out and has done it a few times and owes me 900.
I guess joke is on me but does anyone have advice?Wow, sorry that happened to you. You have so many fans here that I am sure a lot of guys will be willing to go track that asshole down and get your money for you, but do you really want yo go that route? If you have any of his real contact info you could threaten him or even blackmail him. Again, do you really want to go there. There are things you could do but sometimes it's better to just cut your losses, consider it a part of doing business, and try to prevent that from happening in the future. For one thing you said he's done it several times. Not sure why you ever repeated with him, if he already ripped you off. You can also warn other providers through blacklist sites and forums like this. You could (should) collect the donation up front. Some mongers will scoff at that, but too bad. You come from an AMP background and at AMPs the "tip" is usually collected at the end of the session. However you are now an independent escort and usually indies collect the "donation" upfront. It is standard practice.
Again sorry this happened to you. You are an excellent provider and genuine nice person, and certainly didn't deserve this. Just don't know how much you want to pursue this. The other sad thing is there are so many good clients missing the opportunity to see you because it is so hard to get an appointment and then you have guy's flaking, cancelling, no showing, and flat out ripping you off, getting through.
You will be missed when you leave here. Wish you the best in your future. And hope I get to see you again before you go. (If I can ever get a damn appointment! LOL) xo.
Lonely Smiles
06-28-17, 16:39
Does anyone know how I can get someone to pay? He dug out and has done it a few times and owes me 900.
I guess joke is on me but does anyone have advice?Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. As others have suggested if it happens once, at your discretion, it may be a good idea to blacklist that person. If you decide to engage with them again, make sure you require payment in full of anything they owe and your service fee in advance.
In my line of work, we occasionally have to chase an overdue invoice for work that has already been completed. If that client requests any further work from my firm, they are now required to pay 100% in advance.
As Little Dickie suggested below, research standard practices for high end Indy escorts. On the mainland, I believe many independent escorts require the "donation" to be placed in plain sight on a desk or table before the session begins, in particular for first time customers. You have a solid reputation here on Oahu, so that might not be a bad screening procedure.
Guys here on the island are typically trained to not pay in advance at AMPs because it shifts the balance of power and can result in bad service, but I do think the Indy scene has different norms. I almost never paid in advance at an AMP, but I have no problem paying in advance if a girl has a good reputation for consistent service with low YMMV.
Sorry that doesn't help you recoup your losses with this deadbeat.
So sad, ms. Pretty.
But I know get some jerks running around doing this in AMPs too.
One time one AMP took surveillance photo of the jerk. Local guy, 20's with cheap aloha shirt long pants dresses like he came from work. They posted photo outside. The door.
Nowadays, you get one photo and can share with the world.
Get even baby. Door bell cameras.
Does anyone know how I can get someone to pay? He dug out and has done it a few times and owes me 900.
I guess joke is on me but does anyone have advice?
Skyline Chrome
06-28-17, 17:41
Does anyone know how I can get someone to pay? He dug out and has done it a few times and owes me 900.
I guess joke is on me but does anyone have advice?He owed you money before and you still serviced him again. Looks like you should have stopped there and collect first. Oh well.
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. As others have suggested if it happens once, at your discretion, it may be a good idea to blacklist that person. If you decide to engage with them again, make sure you require payment in full of anything they owe and your service fee in advance.
In my line of work, we occasionally have to chase an overdue invoice for work that has already been completed. If that client requests any further work from my firm, they are now required to pay 100% in advance.
As Little Dickie suggested below, research standard practices for high end Indy escorts. On the mainland, I believe many independent escorts require the "donation" to be placed in plain sight on a desk or table before the session begins, in particular for first time customers. You have a solid reputation here on Oahu, so that might not be a bad screening procedure.
Guys here on the island are typically trained to not pay in advance at AMPs because it shifts the balance of power and can result in bad service, but I do think the Indy scene has different norms. I almost never paid in advance at an AMP, but I have no problem paying in advance if a girl has a good reputation for consistent service with low YMMV.
Sorry that doesn't help you recoup your losses with this deadbeat.And we know why some girls want to be paid up front, because of ASSHOLES like this who spoil it for the rest of us. It really happens a lot I'm told. They know most girls will not call the cops.
And we know why some girls want to be paid up front, because of ASSHOLES like this who spoil it for the rest of us. It really happens a lot I'm told. They know most girls will not call the cops.Quite many place prefer locals with flip flop that they may confront in safeway.
They prefer safer regulated money to uncertain jackpot (rip off) outsider.
Quite many place prefer locals with flip flop that they may confront in safeway.
They prefer safer regulated money to uncertain jackpot (rip off) outsider.I was just told this by a provider very recently. She preferred locals in general who were mostly kind, many tourists were demanding and not kind and of course young drunk military were not a preferred customer either.
I was just told this by a provider very recently. She preferred locals in general who were mostly kind, many tourists were demanding and not kind and of course young drunk military were not a preferred customer either.Let's not forget the tweeked out ones.
I was just told this by a provider very recently. She preferred locals in general who were mostly kind, many tourists were demanding and not kind and of course young drunk military were not a preferred customer either.(Some or many of our lady friends said).
Those unpreferred guys seem to believe they must be treated much better than locals. Believing they really look like australian or mainland hollywood stars. Saying "you enjoy me much too" . ?? Huh?
Arrogant acting, too demanding, trying to ripping off without feeling sorry at all.
I totally understand some girls just did poor service to them or ask upfront charge while they are usually very good to locals.
Karma.
(Some or many of our lady friends said).
Those unpreferred guys seem to believe they must be treated much better than locals. Believing they really look like australian or mainland hollywood stars. Saying "you enjoy me much too" . ?? Huh?
Arrogant acting, too demanding, trying to ripping off without feeling sorry at all.
I totally understand some girls just did poor service to them or ask upfront charge while they are usually very good to locals.
Karma.Nah winnah, brah! You don't eeeeevvvveeeeennn knnnnoooow! Because I Get pics GALORE! Some guys will send pictures of either themselves or their boto's! Like really. O_O Aye! Pau that kine! (Thank you BTW to those of you that do that. It's a great laugh, helps to weed and seed through the fuckery!) But yes newbies. Don't do that! Don't send pics of yourself like your the "rock" because winnah all you going end up with is a sock called "Fifi". You don't want Fifi. Too much some peoples children. Hahahahha.
Xoxoxo JD.
I just wonder how will it be being a male mamasan who is surrounded half-naked pretty ladies all day and chit chat with them.
Lonely Smiles
06-30-17, 20:42
I just wonder how will it be being a male mamasan who is surrounded half-naked pretty ladies all day and chit chat with them.I don't know about papasans, other than Steve back at Empire, but I was told of one former male owner who used his status as owner to pressure girls working at his AMP into free sessions.
Fortunately, some of the girls had the wherewithal to tell him "No. ".
I just wonder how will it be being a male mamasan.Perhaps get pinned with the "Promoting Prostitution" charge when the time comes.
HonoluluGirl
06-30-17, 22:18
' A line in a popular song states "Respect is just the minimum. " I appreciate clients who enter and as part of their greeting present the envelope and confirm "is this where I should set this? They don't need to be asked. In my opinion this is a person who has a personal standard for behavior independent of other people's actions.
I have heard "approach determines response," but I am a strong willed person. Approach might influence my response, but I determine my response. Whenever I want a service (for example, I don't drive), I always pay what I promised and I do so without anyone having to ask. My word is my bond and I am being the person I want to be. Another advantage is that since I kept my end of the deal, I am comfortable expecting the good service I have paid for and I don't feel unreasonably demanding.
Unfortunately though I offer an example of how I want to be treated I don't always get the quality of service I deserve. I might have to say something if I have a request unique to me, but if I have to ask for minimal respect (please put down your phone, for example), I am not ok with that substandard behavior. My opinion of the quality of service is reflected by the tip (or lack of tip! My repeat business, and my recommendation to others.
I also make sure that if I am in a store I write a commendation for the manager to place in an especially helpful employee's file. I was honored to assist someone receive a well deserved promotion because my commendation letter was taken into consideration.
In this world a hobbyist knows that the appointment takes provider time, and there should be an automatic compensation for this time. An upfront compensation tells me the client has at least minimum respect for me and for himself and reasonably expects reciprocity. As a mature provider I know clients have their reasons for donation timing and their experience based decisions are legit even if ' they differ from my preferences. The quality of the time I spend is never affected by someone else, because now my convictions are too solid. I am flexible to promote client comfort, especially with established people. People are honest more often than not. When I experience the "not" it really sucks. I understand that there is always a chance that as a lone woman an encounter, even with a long term companion, might end unfairly for me and there won't be a thing in the world I can do bc I it is unwise for this small female to engage in combat with the opposite sex. All I can say "is oh well. " Then I shake it off so as not to unfairly suspect the next person of wanting to rip me off.
Let's face it, on both sides we have all been negatively impacted by people who have done us wrong. Yes, give the minimum with the full knowledge that there is a risk of loss that the Better Business Bureau won't remedy. If service isn't satisfactory a client has a remuneration redy and need not feel helplessly ripped off because that's where the tip comes in--or doesn't. Even an unsuccessful encounter should not be a total loss for either party.
The client's automatic offer of the envelope, the best service a provider can give-those are the minimums. The client and provider have absolute discretion to give nothing more or a lot more bc such is the hobby we signed up for.
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. As others have suggested if it happens once, at your discretion, it may be a good idea to blacklist that person. If you decide to engage with them again, make sure you require payment in full of anything they owe and your service fee in advance.
In my line of work, we occasionally have to chase an overdue invoice for work that has already been completed. If that client requests any further work from my firm, they are now required to pay 100% in advance.
As Little Dickie suggested below, research standard practices for high end Indy escorts. On the mainland, I believe many independent escorts require the "donation" to be placed in plain sight on a desk or table before the session begins, in particular for first time customers. You have a solid reputation here on Oahu, so that might not be a bad screening procedure.
Guys here on the island are typically trained to not pay in advance at AMPs because it shifts the balance of power and can result in bad service, but I do think the Indy scene has different norms. I almost never paid in advance at an AMP, but I have no problem paying in advance if a girl has a good reputation for consistent service with low YMMV.
Sorry that doesn't help you recoup your losses with this deadbeat.
I just wonder how will it be being a male mamasan who is surrounded half-naked pretty ladies all day and chit chat with them.It would like being a life guard at Waikiki Beach.
I been reading the posts since Leia reported that her client skipped out on her and it's been interesting reading how it went from helpful tips to locals are awesome and outsiders are scum. Liars and cheaters are just that and it isn't a thing that is confined to just the mainland. They have them here also and they are not all imported. As to the issue of guys thinking they are kings, that's probably pretty accurate. But if they were rockstars in real life they probably wouldn't be in this hobby. Part of this thing is fantasy. I mean, where else can I meet a girl and within minutes be doing some of the things we do? I do a lot of research on the ladies that I choose to see because I like to know exactly what I am getting myself into. Some do not and end up being rude or assholes to the providers. That sucks for them but hobbyist feel the same way when a provider misrepresents themselves. In the end I think it balances out but hopefully I'm wrong and their are more good ones than bad ones out there. Not trying to start an argument just giving a different opinion on the subject from someone who doesn't consider himself as a local.
Cosmic Kid
07-01-17, 23:01
The sex trade is the valley of broken dolls. Not just the working girls, but the clientele too. Some find ways to compensate for the fault lines of their soul and lead a reasonable life and manage a network of healthy relationships, but that is rare or short-lived. Tread lightly, and do not linger too long if you cannot compartmentalize this part of your life.
And if you do get into a relationship, don't try to be a savior. You will just get yourself crucified.Brother Light Bringer's words are no doubt just the tip of the iceberg as to how many tortured stories are behind what he says and into how many dimensions what he says is absolutely, painfully true. And I'm not here to dispute this brother, but rather to present an additional perspective for consideration.
It's my impression, and also my fantasy, not all of the women working as providers in this town are "broken dolls". Some are highly intelligent, emotionally mature people who offer our world an essential skill, which is to assist men in our time to heal our "broken" and excruciatingly dysfunctional sexuality. In another world, in an alternate universe long ago and far far away, maybe, just maybe, instead of a guy getting into a relationship with a provider out of the conviction he had to somehow fix her, be her "savior", instead he would know she didn't need saving, that she totally had her act together, and further more, rather than her needing fixing, that he'd be doggoned PROUD of his woman, honored to be with her for who she is and the work she does; the service to humanity she brings forth out of her heart and body. And in this fantasy world, if those two honestly fell head over heels in love. This customer and this provider. And discovered a deep and enduring trust in each other, instead of having to move some place where no one knew who she was, and having to come up with some bogus explanation for how the two of them met, this guy would be thrilled, pleased and happy to tell his friends, "Yes! My woman is a professional prostitute (no euphemisms such as 'provider' required)!" He'd be so gosh-darned proud of her that he'd WANT his friends and relatives to know all about the love of his life. Sounds crazy, right? Yeah, well, this is the way real change always happens, through first being willing to entertain new and perhaps outrageous ways of looking at our world and culture. And maybe the turning point for this change will only come when a guy who has been fortunate enough to find himself in such a beautiful relationship decides to dig deep in his guts for the raw courage, wild fortitude, full-on balls, to stand by his woman and say, "Yes, My woman IS a professional prostitute and I'm damned PROUD of who she is and how she has freely chosen to conduct her life in this world!" This fantasy I've just articulated is not insanity. Rather, it is insanity our world is so traumatized and terrified of human sexuality that this sort of thing is NOT considered acceptable behavior and the norm in our time on this tiny remote planet way out on the trailing edge of the great Milky Way Galaxy.
Brother Light Bringer's words are no doubt just the tip of the iceberg as to how many tortured stories are behind what he says and into how many dimensions what he says is absolutely, painfully true. And I'm not here to dispute this brother, but rather to present an additional perspective for consideration.
It's my impression, and also my fantasy, not all of the women working as providers in this town are "broken dolls". Some are highly intelligent, emotionally mature people who offer our world an essential skill, which is to assist men in our time to heal our "broken" and excruciatingly dysfunctional sexuality. In another world, in an alternate universe long ago and far far away, maybe, just maybe, instead of a guy getting into a relationship with a provider out of the conviction he had to somehow fix her, be her "savior", instead he would know she didn't need saving, that she totally had her act together, and further more, rather than her needing fixing, that he'd be doggoned PROUD of his woman, honored to be with her for who she is and the work she does; the service to humanity she brings forth out of her heart and body. And in this fantasy world, if those two honestly fell head over heels in love. This customer and this provider. And discovered a deep and enduring trust in each other, instead of having to move some place where no one knew who she was, and having to come up with some bogus explanation for how the two of them met, this guy would be thrilled, pleased and happy to tell his friends, "Yes! My woman is a professional prostitute (no euphemisms such as 'provider' required)!" He'd be so gosh-darned proud of her that he'd WANT his friends and relatives to know all about the love of his life. Sounds crazy, right? Yeah, well, this is the way real change always happens, through first being willing to entertain new and perhaps outrageous ways of looking at our world and culture. And maybe the turning point for this change will only come when a guy who has been fortunate enough to find himself in such a beautiful relationship decides to dig deep in his guts for the raw courage, wild fortitude, full-on balls, to stand by his woman and say, "Yes, My woman IS a professional prostitute and I'm damned PROUD of who she is and how she has freely chosen to conduct her life in this world!" This fantasy I've just articulated is not insanity. Rather, it is insanity our world is so traumatized and terrified of human sexuality that this sort of thing is NOT considered acceptable behavior and the norm in our time on this tiny remote planet way out on the trailing edge of the great Milky Way Galaxy.After talking to many of these girls, I have come to the conclusion that a very percentage of the most popular girls are simple nymphos who enjoy what they do. Several girls have said, "I love my job".
Brother Light Bringer's words are no doubt just the tip of the iceberg as to how many tortured stories are behind what he says and into how many dimensions what he says is absolutely, painfully true. And I'm not here to dispute this brother, but rather to present an additional perspective for consideration.
It's my impression, and also my fantasy, not all of the women working as providers in this town are "broken dolls". Some are highly intelligent, emotionally mature people who offer our world an essential skill, which is to assist men in our time to heal our "broken" and excruciatingly dysfunctional sexuality. In another world, in an alternate universe long ago and far far away, maybe, just maybe, instead of a guy getting into a relationship with a provider out of the conviction he had to somehow fix her, be her "savior", instead he would know she didn't need saving, that she totally had her act together, and further more, rather than her needing fixing, that he'd be doggoned PROUD of his woman, honored to be with her for who she is and the work she does; the service to humanity she brings forth out of her heart and body. And in this fantasy world, if those two honestly fell head over heels in love. This customer and this provider. And discovered a deep and enduring trust in each other, instead of having to move some place where no one knew who she was, and having to come up with some bogus explanation for how the two of them met, this guy would be thrilled, pleased and happy to tell his friends, "Yes! My woman is a professional prostitute (no euphemisms such as 'provider' required)!" He'd be so gosh-darned proud of her that he'd WANT his friends and relatives to know all about the love of his life. Sounds crazy, right? Yeah, well, this is the way real change always happens, through first being willing to entertain new and perhaps outrageous ways of looking at our world and culture. And maybe the turning point for this change will only come when a guy who has been fortunate enough to find himself in such a beautiful relationship decides to dig deep in his guts for the raw courage, wild fortitude, full-on balls, to stand by his woman and say, "Yes, My woman IS a professional prostitute and I'm damned PROUD of who she is and how she has freely chosen to conduct her life in this world!" This fantasy I've just articulated is not insanity. Rather, it is insanity our world is so traumatized and terrified of human sexuality that this sort of thing is NOT considered acceptable behavior and the norm in our time on this tiny remote planet way out on the trailing edge of the great Milky Way Galaxy.Excuse me and my rambling as I am half a bottle deep into Jinro. I know I may get flamed or look like a fool, but whatever.
I know this topic has been discussed in length and many mongers have had their input. It will take a one of kind guy to be able to openly admit to the world that they are okay with their SO as being a provider. More power to the gents that are okay with this. But I think that these types of guys are few and far between. I would like to think that I would be okay with this type of situation but to be honest I wouldn't know until I am placed in said situation. As stated by brother LightBringer you would have to compartmentalize this portion of your life, would you be okay with your SO getting boned by 8-10 guys a day? Would you be able to resist the urge to not pick up your phone and call her when she's on the job? Will you be able to lead a normal life, knowing the circumstances of how you met? Will you be able to trust each other?
At some point a provider will have to retire or quit due to a myriad of reasons. I would love to think that they eventually find their one and only and find some semblance of a "happy life". Sometimes we forget that providers are humans too and everyone deserves to be loved. If you could survive the trials and tribulations that she worked as a professional then you would be worthy of her love.
Personally I am the type of guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. I fall for a woman fast and hard, which is a recipe for disaster in this hobby. I question myself often and feel guilty about treating women this way. I have always respected women and held them in high regard; a good majority of people that I respect in my life are women.
I know it's been said before, but once a provider has moved on all we can do is wish them well. But again I say with all honesty and sincerity I hope they eventually find true happiness in their lives.
HonoluluGirl
07-02-17, 09:50
He owed you money before and you still serviced him again. Looks like you should have stopped there and collect first. Oh well.If I had given someone a second, third, or however many chance (s) it would be bc I am aware that I have needed those extra chances myself, albeit for different reasons. I'm sure I will again. No one is perfect but how can anyone correct a wrong w / o a chance? I always remember the warning that says when fighting monsters be careful not to become one. Let's not turn bitter.
Brother Light Bringer's words are no doubt just the tip of the iceberg as to how many tortured stories are behind what he says and into how many dimensions what he says is absolutely, painfully true. And I'm not here to dispute this brother, but rather to present an additional perspective for consideration.
It's my impression, and also my fantasy, not all of the women working as providers in this town are "broken dolls". Some are highly intelligent, emotionally mature people who offer our world an essential skill, which is to assist men in our time to heal our "broken" and excruciatingly dysfunctional sexuality. In another world, in an alternate universe long ago and far far away, maybe, just maybe, instead of a guy getting into a relationship with a provider out of the conviction he had to somehow fix her, be her "savior", instead he would know she didn't need saving, that she totally had her act together, and further more, rather than her needing fixing, that he'd be doggoned PROUD of his woman, honored to be with her for who she is and the work she does; the service to humanity she brings forth out of her heart and body. And in this fantasy world, if those two honestly fell head over heels in love. This customer and this provider. And discovered a deep and enduring trust in each other, instead of having to move some place where no one knew who she was, and having to come up with some bogus explanation for how the two of them met, this guy would be thrilled, pleased and happy to tell his friends, "Yes! My woman is a professional prostitute (no euphemisms such as 'provider' required)!" He'd be so gosh-darned proud of her that he'd WANT his friends and relatives to know all about the love of his life. Sounds crazy, right? Yeah, well, this is the way real change always happens, through first being willing to entertain new and perhaps outrageous ways of looking at our world and culture. And maybe the turning point for this change will only come when a guy who has been fortunate enough to find himself in such a beautiful relationship decides to dig deep in his guts for the raw courage, wild fortitude, full-on balls, to stand by his woman and say, "Yes, My woman IS a professional prostitute and I'm damned PROUD of who she is and how she has freely chosen to conduct her life in this world!" This fantasy I've just articulated is not insanity. Rather, it is insanity our world is so traumatized and terrified of human sexuality that this sort of thing is NOT considered acceptable behavior and the norm in our time on this tiny remote planet way out on the trailing edge of the great Milky Way Galaxy.Excuse me and my rambling as I am half a bottle deep into Jinro. I know I may get flamed or look like a fool, but whatever.
I know this topic has been discussed in length and many mongers have had their input. It will take a one of kind guy to be able to openly admit to the world that they are okay with their SO as being a provider. More power to the gents that are okay with this. But I think that these types of guys are few and far between. I would like to think that I would be okay with this type of situation but to be honest I wouldn't know until I am placed in said situation. As stated by brother LightBringer you would have to compartmentalize this portion of your life, would you be okay with your SO getting boned by 8-10 guys a day? Would you be able to resist the urge to not pick up your phone and call her when she's on the job? Will you be able to lead a normal life, knowing the circumstances of how you met? Will you be able to trust each other?
At some point a provider will have to retire or quit due to a myriad of reasons. I would love to think that they eventually find their one and only and find some semblance of a "happy life". Sometimes we forget that providers are humans too and everyone deserves to be loved. If you could survive the trials and tribulations that she worked as a professional then you would be worthy of her love.
Personally I am the type of guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. I fall for a woman fast and hard, which is a recipe for disaster in this hobby. I question myself often and feel guilty about treating women this way. I have always respected women and held them in high regard; a good majority of people that I respect in my life are women.
I know it's been said before, but once a provider has moved on all we can do is wish them well. But again I say with all honesty and sincerity I hope they eventually find true happiness in their lives.
Member #5810
07-02-17, 18:39
Brother Light Bringer's words are no doubt just the tip of the iceberg as to how many tortured stories are behind what he says and into how many dimensions what he says is absolutely, painfully true. And I'm not here to dispute this brother, but rather to present an additional perspective for consideration.
It's my impression, and also my fantasy, not all of the women working as providers in this town are "broken dolls". Some are highly intelligent, emotionally mature people who offer our world an essential skill, which is to assist men in our time to heal our "broken" and excruciatingly dysfunctional sexuality. In another world, in an alternate universe long ago and far far away, maybe, just maybe, instead of a guy getting into a relationship with a provider out of the conviction he had to somehow fix her, be her "savior", instead he would know she didn't need saving, that she totally had her act together, and further more, rather than her needing fixing, that he'd be doggoned PROUD of his woman, honored to be with her for who she is and the work she does; the service to humanity she brings forth out of her heart and body. And in this fantasy world, if those two honestly fell head over heels in love. This customer and this provider. And discovered a deep and enduring trust in each other, instead of having to move some place where no one knew who she was, and having to come up with some bogus explanation for how the two of them met, this guy would be thrilled, pleased and happy to tell his friends, "Yes! My woman is a professional prostitute (no euphemisms such as 'provider' required)!" He'd be so gosh-darned proud of her that he'd WANT his friends and relatives to know all about the love of his life. Sounds crazy, right? Yeah, well, this is the way real change always happens, through first being willing to entertain new and perhaps outrageous ways of looking at our world and culture..Hmmmmn an interesting point of view. I could never be that accepting though. I think some pon star married couples are embracing your point of view though.
Light Bringer
07-02-17, 19:32
I don't disagree with you. And one should not assume that to be "broken" is to be ugly. The faults are what make us human, and sometimes the wear and tear of life can make something all the more beautiful. Consider the Japanese concept of "wabi sabi", which interestingly enough, has no English translations. And yes, sometimes two broken pieces can come together to make something whole. But think what a fortunate and rare coincidence that must be for all the jagged contours to line up perfectly. More often, two broken pieces will just keep hurting each other with their sharp edges. Unless, of course, at least one person has the self-awareness, intelligence, and flexibility to change his or her shape to fit the needs of the other. One person has to give, and the other has to take, but not take too much, because if you have one person who gives too much and another who takes too much, one person will eventually cease to exist. Everything has to balance perfectly. Consider how difficult this is when you are starting from an already precarious position. Like walking a tightrope in a hurricane. The odds are against you. But when you fall in love, you think you can achieve the impossible and you are impatient and reckless enough to give it a try.
I got very close to a popular provider. It was probably one-sided, and by that I mean I was the one running to jump off the ledge for her. Given enough time, I would have probably given everything up for her, and I would have been the one to be proud to belong to her. But I wasn't what she needed, the sharp and broken edges didn't line up, and I didn't have enough time, nor was I in a healthy condition, to adjust to make the pieces fit together, if they would have ever fit together at all. A long time ago, I learned the hard way about the importance of patience. Unfortunately, that is the first bit of wisdom that goes out the window when you fall for someone. Now, there is nothing for me to do but learn about patience again.
Nevertheless, years from now if she were to call for me by my real name, I would jump from the ledge and cross oceans for her. When I am at my best, I can walk the tightrope in a hurricane. True story.
Brother Light Bringer's words are no doubt just the tip of the iceberg as to how many tortured stories are behind what he says and into how many dimensions what he says is absolutely, painfully true. And I'm not here to dispute this brother, but rather to present an additional perspective for consideration.
It's my impression, and also my fantasy, not all of the women working as providers in this town are "broken dolls". Some are highly intelligent, emotionally mature people who offer our world an essential skill, which is to assist men in our time to heal our "broken" and excruciatingly dysfunctional sexuality. In another world, in an alternate universe long ago and far far away, maybe, just maybe, instead of a guy getting into a relationship with a provider out of the conviction he had to somehow fix her, be her "savior", instead he would know she didn't need saving, that she totally had her act together, and further more, rather than her needing fixing, that he'd be doggoned PROUD of his woman, honored to be with her for who she is and the work she does; the service to humanity she brings forth out of her heart and body. And in this fantasy world, if those two honestly fell head over heels in love. This customer and this provider. And discovered a deep and enduring trust in each other, instead of having to move some place where no one knew who she was, and having to come up with some bogus explanation for how the two of them met, this guy would be thrilled, pleased and happy to tell his friends, "Yes! My woman is a professional prostitute (no euphemisms such as 'provider' required)!" He'd be so gosh-darned proud of her that he'd WANT his friends and relatives to know all about the love of his life. Sounds crazy, right? Yeah, well, this is the way real change always happens, through first being willing to entertain new and perhaps outrageous ways of looking at our world and culture. And maybe the turning point for this change will only come when a guy who has been fortunate enough to find himself in such a beautiful relationship decides to dig deep in his guts for the raw courage, wild fortitude, full-on balls, to stand by his woman and say, "Yes, My woman IS a professional prostitute and I'm damned PROUD of who she is and how she has freely chosen to conduct her life in this world!" This fantasy I've just articulated is not insanity. Rather, it is insanity our world is so traumatized and terrified of human sexuality that this sort of thing is NOT considered acceptable behavior and the norm in our time on this tiny remote planet way out on the trailing edge of the great Milky Way Galaxy.
Honolulu808
07-02-17, 21:40
Been reading a lot about being shorted on time but these post are at places that does not advertise as 60 minutes, 90 minutes, 120 minutes, etc. Places that advertise on how much per time is therapeutic massage establishments or private ads with price per time. I read a lot of complaints about shorted time at relaxation spas, on their ads does not specify time and price.
I do respect reviews about shorted time when the establishment ads has time per hour. Usually one gets close to a hour at relaxation spas but I lot of times, times are less than an hour because the provider needs to get ready for her next appointment. Usually girls are on time with my appointment because she had enough time to freashen up for me. Couple times my regular providers seems like she's rushing, I would ask them if they have an appointment after my appointment if the answer is yes, there is usually a knock on the door. I do feel for these providers, sometimes I'm there at 4 in the afternoon and they didn't have any food to eat because appointments was back to back from the time they wake up. Another story I got once was the provider and I was talking and she didn't like the guy she was with. I asked what did she do, she said she excused herself early in the session and asked the house mama to knock on the door in 15 minutes after she went back in.
Again there is no alotted time at relaxation places.
Member #5810
07-03-17, 02:34
I don't disagree with you. And one should not assume that to be "broken" is to be ugly. The faults are what make us human, and sometimes the wear and tear of life can make something all the more beautiful. Consider the Japanese concept of "wabi sabi", which interestingly enough, has no English translations. And yes, sometimes two broken pieces can come together to make something whole. But think what a fortunate and rare coincidence that must be for all the jagged contours to line up perfectly. More often, two broken pieces will just keep hurting each other with their sharp edges. Unless, of course, at least one person has the self-awareness, intelligence, and flexibility to change his or her shape to fit the needs of the other. One person has to give, and the other has to take, but not take too much, because if you have one person who gives too much and another who takes too much, one person will eventually cease to exist. Everything has to balance perfectly. Consider how difficult this is when you are starting from an already precarious position. Like walking a tightrope in a hurricane. The odds are against you. But when you fall in love, you think you can achieve the impossible and you are impatient and reckless enough to give it a try.
I got very close to a popular provider. It was probably one-sided, and by that I mean I was the one running to jump off the ledge for her. Given enough time, I would have probably given everything up for her, and I would have been the one to be proud to belong to her. But I wasn't what she needed, the sharp and broken edges didn't line up, and I didn't have enough time, nor was I in a healthy condition, to adjust to make the pieces fit together, if they would have ever fit together at all. A long time ago, I learned the hard way about the importance of patience. Unfortunately, that is the first bit of wisdom that goes out the window when you fall for someone. Now, there is nothing for me to do but learn about patience again.
Nevertheless, years from now if she were to call for me by my real name, I would jump from the ledge and cross oceans for her. When I am at my best, I can walk the tightrope in a hurricane. True story.Wowwwww eloquent writing and I truly feel you. What you said rings so true. I've witnessed first hand some close friends in this situation. Thank god I'm been blessed with the ability to totally compartmentalize my relationships. But in all honesty, I have seen myself getting close to entering the storm. It's a strange double edged sword, on one hand you want to get close and the nature of the relationship can draw you together, on the other hand, your rational mind tells you that it's futile. Torn between two actions. Ah well, how does the old saying go? Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved.
I just wonder how will it be being a male mamasan who is surrounded half-naked pretty ladies all day and chit chat with them.You're going to see the warts and them without makeup. And you can't put your fingers in your ears so that you don't hear when they talk about their women's personal problems.
I been reading the posts since Leia reported that her client skipped out on her and it's been interesting reading. They have them here also and they are not all imported. As to the issue of guys thinking they are kings, that's probably pretty accurate. But if they were rockstars in real life they probably wouldn't be in this hobby. They're God's gift to women or those who think they're God's gift to women. You can see them flexing in front of a full length mirror and kissing their biceps. Also, they call themselves in the third person.
You are 100% correct. All I was trying to convey is that if you do this long enough providers will run into guys that act that way just like hobbyist will run into some dead fish if they do this long enough. My number is around 70. From that number 10-13 of that was awesome providers, about 6-8 I walked away thinking WTF was that and the rest were good experiences. Chemistry is something you can't buy or sell. No amount of screening or research can guarantee that you will have a great time with the person you are meeting.
They're God's gift to women or those who think they're God's gift to women. You can see them flexing in front of a full length mirror and kissing their biceps. Also, they call themselves in the third person.
Cosmic Kid
07-04-17, 22:42
I don't disagree with you. And one should not assume that to be "broken" is to be ugly. The faults are what make us human, and sometimes the wear and tear of life can make something all the more beautiful. Consider the Japanese concept of "wabi sabi", which interestingly enough, has no English translations. And yes, sometimes two broken pieces can come together to make something whole. But think what a fortunate and rare coincidence that must be for all the jagged contours to line up perfectly. More often, two broken pieces will just keep hurting each other with their sharp edges. Unless, of course, at least one person has the self-awareness, intelligence, and flexibility to change his or her shape to fit the needs of the other. One person has to give, and the other has to take, but not take too much, because if you have one person who gives too much and another who takes too much, one person will eventually cease to exist. Everything has to balance perfectly. Consider how difficult this is when you are starting from an already precarious position. Like walking a tightrope in a hurricane. The odds are against you. But when you fall in love, you think you can achieve the impossible and you are impatient and reckless enough to give it a try.
I got very close to a popular provider. It was probably one-sided, and by that I mean I was the one running to jump off the ledge for her. Given enough time, I would have probably given everything up for her, and I would have been the one to be proud to belong to her. But I wasn't what she needed, the sharp and broken edges didn't line up, and I didn't have enough time, nor was I in a healthy condition, to adjust to make the pieces fit together, if they would have ever fit together at all..For some reason, your words and observations remind me a verse from an old Bob Dylan tune: "You will start out standing, proud to steal her anything she sees. But you will wind up peeking through a keyhole down upon you knees."
(I don't know the difference between "legal" and "not illegal". Anyway what I mean is if prostitution is not the reason of breaking law).
When can providers reject service?
I ask cause there has been issue of rejecting service.
Bakery rejecting making cake for same sex marriage. Rejecting black custmers in high end clothing shop. Rejecting homeless guy with 10 bucks at bar. Rejecting mother with 4 kids at restaurant. Rejecting obese ladies at night club. Etc. Even gabby sidebe was rejected at chanel store while she has much more money than most customer looking for chanel bag.
So. If prostitution is legal or not illegal.
How much autonomy do girls have?
Can they reject someone only cause she doesn't feel good suddenly? Or reject guys cause his cocks are too intimidating? When he force same service as others got?(he read BBFS here but she reject it to him).
Wondet whether it can be strictly regulated as much as other service business like waitors or flight attendance.
(I don't know the difference between "legal" and "not illegal". Anyway what I mean is if prostitution is not the reason of breaking law).
When can providers reject service?
I ask cause there has been issue of rejecting service.
Bakery rejecting making cake for same sex marriage. Rejecting black custmers in high end clothing shop. Rejecting homeless guy with 10 bucks at bar. Rejecting mother with 4 kids at restaurant. Rejecting obese ladies at night club. Etc. Even gabby sidebe was rejected at chanel store while she has much more money than most customer looking for chanel bag.
So. If prostitution is legal or not illegal.
How much autonomy do girls have?
Can they reject someone only cause she doesn't feel good suddenly? Or reject guys cause his cocks are too intimidating? When he force same service as others got?(he read BBFS here but she reject it to him).
Wondet whether it can be strictly regulated as much as other service business like waitors or flight attendance.When you say something is legal or not illegal, you are essentially saying the same thing (they are both legal) it's either legal or illegal. As far as prostitution goes, it's either legal or illegal. Providers and customers both have a right to say no. Once you exchange money, you're either saying I agree to provide service or I accept your offer of service.
Light Bringer
07-06-17, 03:59
But at some point I get up off my knees, stand up and ask myself what the hell am I doing here? How the hell did I even get here?
If it is not already painfully obvious, I am relatively new to the scene. About 7 months into it, with the 3 months rather focused on an ATF. You can see a lot in 7 months. Fallen angels, hungry wolves, fugitive saints, jaded souls, broken hearts and everything in between. It has been a bizarre journey into a subterranean world of talented dream weavers and simple flesh peddlers. And underneath it all, everywhere, an unmistakable current of desperation. One veteran provider admonished me, basically saying "stop over-thinking and just follow your buto". That was the right advice, but I'm just not wired to operate like that, and I don't think I can re-wire myself that way. Paradoxically, the shortcut of simply paying for it leaves me at a disadvantage that I didn't anticipate. All that is usually at my disposal for leveling the playing field with a woman who is otherwise out of my league. The art of seduction, the thrill of the chase, the delicate ritual of matching wits, reading minds and subtle exchanges of veiled emotions. All of that goes out the window, and by virtue of going straight to sex I found myself in instant checkmate to a woman who literally had me by the balls. The fact that I could have sex with someone that gorgeous was awesome at first, but I found myself wanting to go back and retroactively earn that privilege. It no longer had any meaning to me unless I was capable of earning it. Not only was that wishful thinking, it was a surefire way to get trampled by the brutal realities of this transaction-based business.
Long story short. Made rookie mistakes. But more than that, I think I am just not wired to navigate the terrain here without getting myself slaughtered. Probably best if I find the exit for now and resist the temptation come back until I have mastered the simple wisdom of the mindless buto. Not sure if that will ever happen, or if I even want that to happen, but for for now, lights out for the light bringer.
For some reason, your words and observations remind me a verse from an old Bob Dylan tune: "You will start out standing, proud to steal her anything she sees. But you will wind up peeking through a keyhole down upon you knees."
Member #5810
07-07-17, 04:35
But at some point I get up off my knees, stand up and ask myself what the hell am I doing here? How the hell did I even get here?
If it is not already painfully obvious, I am relatively new to the scene. About 7 months into it, with the 3 months rather focused on an ATF. You can see a lot in 7 months. Fallen angels, hungry wolves, fugitive saints, jaded souls, broken hearts and everything in between. It has been a bizarre journey into a subterranean world of talented dream weavers and simple flesh peddlers. And underneath it all, everywhere, an unmistakable current of desperation. One veteran provider admonished me, basically saying "stop over-thinking and just follow your buto". That was the right advice, but I'm just not wired to operate like that, and I don't think I can re-wire myself that way. Paradoxically, the shortcut of simply paying for it leaves me at a disadvantage that I didn't anticipate. All that is usually at my disposal for leveling the playing field with a woman who is otherwise out of my league. The art of seduction, the thrill of the chase, the delicate ritual of matching wits, reading minds and subtle exchanges of veiled emotions. All of that goes out the window, and by virtue of going straight to sex I found myself in instant checkmate to a woman who literally had me by the balls. The fact that I could have sex with someone that gorgeous was awesome at first, but I found myself wanting to go back and retroactively earn that privilege. It no longer had any meaning to me unless I was capable of earning it. Not only was that wishful thinking, it was a surefire way to get trampled by the brutal realities of this transaction-based business.
Long story short. Made rookie mistakes. But more than that, I think I am just not wired to navigate the terrain here without getting myself slaughtered. Probably best if I find the exit for now and resist the temptation come back until I have mastered the simple wisdom of the mindless buto. Not sure if that will ever happen, or if I even want that to happen, but for for now, lights out for the light bringer.Best of luck bruddah. Another eloquent and insightful post. At least you had time to be with a dream. Lover and now you have wisdom. If you never return to mongering, at least you have the memories. If you come back, hopefully you know the rules of engagement so you don't go down the rabbit hole.
Cosmic Kid
07-08-17, 13:00
But at some point I get up off my knees, stand up and ask myself what the hell am I doing here? How the hell did I even get here?
If it is not already painfully obvious, I am relatively new to the scene. About 7 months into it, with the 3 months rather focused on an ATF. You can see a lot in 7 months. Fallen angels, hungry wolves, fugitive saints, jaded souls, broken hearts and everything in between. It has been a bizarre journey into a subterranean world of talented dream weavers and simple flesh peddlers. And underneath it all, everywhere, an unmistakable current of desperation. One veteran provider admonished me, basically saying "stop over-thinking and just follow your buto". That was the right advice, but I'm just not wired to operate like that, and I don't think I can re-wire myself that way. Paradoxically, the shortcut of simply paying for it leaves me at a disadvantage that I didn't anticipate. All that is usually at my disposal for leveling the playing field with a woman who is otherwise out of my league. The art of seduction, the thrill of the chase, the delicate ritual of matching wits, reading minds and subtle exchanges of veiled emotions. All of that goes out the window, and by virtue of going straight to sex I found myself in instant checkmate to a woman who literally had me by the balls. The fact that I could have sex with someone that gorgeous was awesome at first, but I found myself wanting to go back and retroactively earn that privilege. It no longer had any meaning to me unless I was capable of earning it. Not only was that wishful thinking, it was a surefire way to get trampled by the brutal realities of this transaction-based business.
Long story short. Made rookie mistakes. But more than that, I think I am just not wired to navigate the terrain here without getting myself slaughtered. Probably best if I find the exit for now and resist the temptation come back until I have mastered the simple wisdom of the mindless buto. Not sure if that will ever happen, or if I even want that to happen, but for for now, lights out for the light bringer.OMG. Such beautiful, exquisite writing. You call yourself a "rookie", yet I suspect you've accumulated more insights on the scene in a few months than most veteran mongers will in a lifetime. I imagine you've already compiled enough material for a book. I'm serious! You have got to write a book on your impressions of the AMP scene, or the prostitution landscape in Honolulu, or however your concept this. But please consider writing this book because I WANT TO READ IT! Come back to this board and let us know when your book is published okay? I am NOT joking about this! You're an incredibly talented and insightful writer and obviously had the guts to get down into this trench warfare and drench yourself in this experience, which is exactly what it takes to be a great author with something of real value to express and to share with the rest of us guys. Just saying. I'm begging you: Please write this book because I'm convinced there's so much I can learn from your observations and discoveries.
Light Bringer
07-08-17, 14:44
Good luck to you too friend. It is most likely the case that what I was truly looking for is not something that I can find here. I am going to have to address that first before venturing back into a place like this where the rule is to keep it simple. Stay safe.
Best of luck bruddah. Another eloquent and insightful post. At least you had time to be with a dream. Lover and now you have wisdom. If you never return to mongering, at least you have the memories. If you come back, hopefully you know the rules of engagement so you don't go down the rabbit hole.
HonoluluGirl
07-12-17, 03:05
Providers really do offer time of a certain quality. That statement is not a euphimism but truth. General Explanation: To get a woman to want a man sexually he has to understand that unlike men, women aren't completely won over by looks and have sex only bc she finds a man attractive. It's all in how a woman is treated. And to win at least her desire, if not her heart, a man has to take time, which will consist of attention, often in the form of talking and listening. Women want emotional intimacy first. Or, they may offer sex hoping it will result in emotional intimacy. For men, sex is the desired end (often). For women, sex is the result of achieving the desired end of intimacy, or the means to a desired end (though there are exceptions). Not that women don't like sex bc that's an absurd thought, but they usually want more. So does a man have to pay $ for sex? No man does. But no matter how you slice it everything costs something. Providers offer a service that leaves out a woman's emotional needs and a man's obligation to meet them under ordinary circumstances. Providers offer automatic success, thus saving time, frustration, uncertainty. A man need only think of himself. To be a good man and fulfill the roles of protector, provider, leader of the household cause unrelenting stress. A little "me and only me time", nsa, can serve as a refueling to energize good men for daily survival battles. And as a bonus, when professional distance is maintained, providers over a necessary service without becoming "homewreckers" who destroy families when their emotional needs enter the scene in an affair. Sexual monogamy and emotional commitment to wife and family don't have to be synonymous. Providers acknowledge this reality and maintain stability of the core societal unit.
TomAssCan9
07-12-17, 22:44
Providers really do offer time of a certain quality. That statement is not a euphimism but truth. General Explanation: To get a woman to want a man sexually he has to understand that unlike men, women aren't completely won over by looks and have sex only bc she finds a man attractive. It's all in how a woman is treated. And to win at least her desire, if not her heart, a man has to take time, which will consist of attention, often in the form of talking and listening. Women want emotional intimacy first. Or, they may offer sex hoping it will result in emotional intimacy. For men, sex is the desired end (often). For women, sex is the result of achieving the desired end of intimacy, or the means to a desired end (though there are exceptions). Not that women don't like sex bc that's an absurd thought, but they usually want more. So does a man have to pay $ for sex? No man does. But no matter how you slice it everything costs something. Providers offer a service that leaves out a woman's emotional needs and a man's obligation to meet them under ordinary circumstances. Providers offer automatic success, thus saving time, frustration, uncertainty. A man need only think of himself. To be a good man and fulfill the roles of protector, provider, leader of the household cause unrelenting stress. A little "me and only me time", nsa, can serve as a refueling to energize good men for daily survival battles. And as a bonus, when professional distance is maintained, providers over a necessary service without becoming "homewreckers" who destroy families when their emotional needs enter the scene in an affair. Sexual monogamy and emotional commitment to wife and family don't have to be synonymous. Providers acknowledge this reality and maintain stability of the core societal unit.That's one good POV. First time I read this and now I check um! You go girl!
Light Bringer
07-13-17, 01:54
OMG. Such beautiful, exquisite writing. You call yourself a "rookie", yet I suspect you've accumulated more insights on the scene in a few months than most veteran mongers will in a lifetime. I imagine you've already compiled enough material for a book. I'm serious! You have got to write a book on your impressions of the AMP scene, or the prostitution landscape in Honolulu, or however your concept this. But please consider writing this book because I WANT TO READ IT! Come back to this board and let us know when your book is published okay? I am NOT joking about this! You're an incredibly talented and insightful writer and obviously had the guts to get down into this trench warfare and drench yourself in this experience, which is exactly what it takes to be a great author with something of real value to express and to share with the rest of us guys. Just saying. I'm begging you: Please write this book because I'm convinced there's so much I can learn from your observations and discoveries.That's high praise coming from you, Cosmic, considering that your commentary in this forum is highly regarded. Didn't I read here somewhere that a provider wanted to meet you based on the way you write alone? Unfortunately, I am far far too lazy to ever write a book. But I'll share with you a short tale of one poignant encounter I had on the scene a few weeks ago.
I wanted to try something different, so booked an appointment with a girl who had decent reviews, but was very new to the scene. When I met her, I could tell she was nervous and unsure of herself. I carried with me a heavy air of melancholy into the session, which I believe she interpreted as a gentle and patient demeanor. Her sense of relief was palpable as she grew more comfortable with me. When we got into the act, there was a connection, both physical and emotional. I literally found some spot, and it took only the slightest bit of motion to evoke a powerful response from her. So I kept myself there, with as much constant contact as possible between our two bodies, and the rhythmic thrust brought us both to simultaneous climax. I could tell, by the way she reached for me, that what ran through both of us was the unmistakable passion of desperation. She spent the next several minutes post-climax in a state of bewilderment and ecstasy, gasping and laughing. I could not help but smile and laugh myself in response. Then as she came back down to earth, she opened up to me, and it was a flood. She told me her backstory, about how she came here to earn some quick cash to get herself and her young son out of a bad situation back in LA. She talked about the shame and guilt that she felt over what she was doing, how she just wanted to go back home and work a normal job. She had already set a date to go home, and she said that she would never think about Hawaii again. It was devastating to listen to, and it fell like a hammer on me. The fragile dignity of a struggling single mother. Had I really just violated something so sacrosanct? But then she looked at me, smiled, and said that at least I had given her one good memory to take home with her. She had no idea that at that moment she held the power of judgement over me, but with that single sentence, she returned the verdict: ABSOLVO. (But in the end, I am still among the unforgiven). We spent a lot of time talking. There was, underneath our words, the common language of despair, but also the comfort of heartfelt sympathy from someone who was but one hour ago a stranger. I emptied out the rest of my wallet for both her and her son and we said our goodbyes. I walked out into the blinding daylight, and she disappeared back into the darkness of her room.
If I were going to play messiah, I should have done it for her. However much she was going to earn by selling her body for the next several weeks, I could have matched that and more in a single return visit and freed her from her fate. I could have permanently changed her life for the better. I do not know what she endured for the remainder of her stay in Hawaii. She told me about what she had already endured, and I can't imagine that it got any better for her. Why didn't I do more for her? Because I was saving my resources to help someone else someone who as it turns out, did not need my help, did not want my help. I am haunted by the memory of the one who did need my help. I got it all wrong. I ain't no saint. Far from it. I am a bleeding heart one day, but a blackheart the next. Searching for absolution among the damned is a suicide mission. But I think I already knew that going in.
"IF I AM GOING TO HELL, I'm GOING THERE PLAYING THE PIANO!
Providers really do offer time of a certain quality. That statement is not a euphimism but truth. General Explanation: To get a woman to want a man sexually he has to understand that unlike men, women aren't completely won over by looks and have sex only bc she finds a man attractive. It's all in how a woman is treated. And to win at least her desire, if not her heart, a man has to take time, which will consist of attention, often in the form of talking and listening. Women want emotional intimacy first. Or, they may offer sex hoping it will result in emotional intimacy. For men, sex is the desired end (often). For women, sex is the result of achieving the desired end of intimacy, or the means to a desired end (though there are exceptions). Not that women don't like sex bc that's an absurd thought, but they usually want more. So does a man have to pay $ for sex? No man does. But no matter how you slice it everything costs something. Providers offer a service that leaves out a woman's emotional needs and a man's obligation to meet them under ordinary circumstances. Providers offer automatic success, thus saving time, frustration, uncertainty. A man need only think of himself. To be a good man and fulfill the roles of protector, provider, leader of the household cause unrelenting stress. A little "me and only me time", nsa, can serve as a refueling to energize good men for daily survival battles. And as a bonus, when professional distance is maintained, providers over a necessary service without becoming "homewreckers" who destroy families when their emotional needs enter the scene in an affair. Sexual monogamy and emotional commitment to wife and family don't have to be synonymous. Providers acknowledge this reality and maintain stability of the core societal unit.I couldn't agree with you more from a male and female perspective.
Cosmic Kid
07-13-17, 19:58
Providers really do offer time of a certain quality. That statement is not a euphimism but truth. General Explanation: To get a woman to want a man sexually he has to understand that unlike men, women aren't completely won over by looks and have sex only bc she finds a man attractive. It's all in how a woman is treated. And to win at least her desire, if not her heart, a man has to take time, which will consist of attention, often in the form of talking and listening. Women want emotional intimacy first. Or, they may offer sex hoping it will result in emotional intimacy. For men, sex is the desired end (often). For women, sex is the result of achieving the desired end of intimacy, or the means to a desired end (though there are exceptions). Not that women don't like sex bc that's an absurd thought, but they usually want more. So does a man have to pay $ for sex? No man does. But no matter how you slice it everything costs something. Providers offer a service that leaves out a woman's emotional needs and a man's obligation to meet them under ordinary circumstances. Providers offer automatic success, thus saving time, frustration, uncertainty. A man need only think of himself. To be a good man and fulfill the roles of protector, provider, leader of the household cause unrelenting stress. A little "me and only me time", nsa, can serve as a refueling to energize good men for daily survival battles. And as a bonus, when professional distance is maintained, providers over a necessary service without becoming "homewreckers" who destroy families when their emotional needs enter the scene in an affair. Sexual monogamy and emotional commitment to wife and family don't have to be synonymous. Providers acknowledge this reality and maintain stability of the core societal unit."To win at least her desire. A man has to take time. Talking and listening. " Isn't this kind of a catch-22 slippery slope though? If a guy starts talking to a woman and spending time listening to her, isn't he automatically putting himself in danger of getting compartmentalized in her "just friends" box, and then he's permanent toast cause now he ain't NEVER going to get access to that pussy?
"So does a man have to pay $ for sex? No man does. " Technically true enough. However, if a dude is a socially inept introvert, devoid of self confidence and interpersonal skills, let's face it, the only way he's ever going to get any pussy is to offer to pay some chick for it.
"Sexual monogamy and emotional commitment to wife and family don't have to be synonymous. Providers acknowledge this reality and maintain stability of the core societal unit. " I never thought about it this way. Quite an interesting concept! Thanks for sharing.
Providers really do offer time of a certain quality. That statement is not a euphimism but truth. General Explanation: To get a woman to want a man sexually he has to understand that unlike men, women aren't completely won over by looks and have sex only bc she finds a man attractive. It's all in how a woman is treated. And to win at least her desire, if not her heart, a man has to take time, which will consist of attention, often in the form of talking and listening. Women want emotional intimacy first. Or, they may offer sex hoping it will result in emotional intimacy. For men, sex is the desired end (often). For women, sex is the result of achieving the desired end of intimacy, or the means to a desired end (though there are exceptions). Not that women don't like sex bc that's an absurd thought, but they usually want more. So does a man have to pay $ for sex? No man does. But no matter how you slice it everything costs something. Providers offer a service that leaves out a woman's emotional needs and a man's obligation to meet them under ordinary circumstances. Providers offer automatic success, thus saving time, frustration, uncertainty. A man need only think of himself. To be a good man and fulfill the roles of protector, provider, leader of the household cause unrelenting stress. A little "me and only me time", nsa, can serve as a refueling to energize good men for daily survival battles. And as a bonus, when professional distance is maintained, providers over a necessary service without becoming "homewreckers" who destroy families when their emotional needs enter the scene in an affair. Sexual monogamy and emotional commitment to wife and family don't have to be synonymous. Providers acknowledge this reality and maintain stability of the core societal unit.Then, there is a pictorial view of why we men purchase our time. No instruction manual.
Always suspect of these reviews when no other posts to their profile.Yes, and even more suspect is a purported "review" (such as the one upon which you commented) by a first-time poster that fails to provide any specific details about the provider's looks, attitude and services rendered, but rather merely makes a vague claim like "she is one of the best at what she does so hit her up". That type of report was likely posted by the provider herself, or a pimp or boyfriend, and has no more credibility than graffiti scrawled on the wall of a public toilet.
Cosmic Kid
07-16-17, 22:12
Then, there is a pictorial view of why we men purchase our time. No instruction manual.LOL! This is some funny shit. So true that!
Cosmic Kid
07-16-17, 22:33
That's high praise coming from you, Cosmic, considering that your commentary in this forum is highly regarded. Didn't I read here somewhere that a provider wanted to meet you based on the way you write alone? Unfortunately, I am far far too lazy to ever write a book. But I'll share with you a short tale of one poignant encounter I had on the scene a few weeks ago.
I wanted to try something different, so booked an appointment with a girl who had decent reviews, but was very new to the scene. When I met her, I could tell she was nervous and unsure of herself. I carried with me a heavy air of melancholy into the session, which I believe she interpreted as a gentle and patient demeanor. Her sense of relief was palpable as she grew more comfortable with me. When we got into the act, there was a connection, both physical and emotional. I literally found some spot, and it took only the slightest bit of motion to evoke a powerful response from her. So I kept myself there, with as much constant contact as possible between our two bodies, and the rhythmic thrust brought us both to simultaneous climax. I could tell, by the way she reached for me, that what ran through both of us was the unmistakable passion of desperation. She spent the next several minutes post-climax in a state of bewilderment and ecstasy, gasping and laughing. I could not help but smile and laugh myself in response. Then as she came back down to earth, she opened up to me, and it was a flood. She told me her backstory, about how she came here to earn some quick cash to get herself and her young son out of a bad situation back in LA. She talked about the shame and guilt that she felt over what she was doing, how she just wanted to go back home and work a normal job. She had already set a date to go home, and she said that she would never think about Hawaii again. It was devastating to listen to, and it fell like a hammer on me. The fragile dignity of a struggling single mother. Had I really just violated something so sacrosanct? But then she looked at me, smiled, and said that at least I had given her one good memory to take home with her. She had no idea that at that moment she held the power of judgement over me, but with that single sentence, she returned the verdict: ABSOLVO. (But in the end, I am still among the unforgiven). We spent a lot of time talking. There was, underneath our words, the common language of despair, but also the comfort of heartfelt sympathy from someone who was but one hour ago a stranger. I emptied out the rest of my wallet for both her and her son and we said our goodbyes. I walked out into the blinding daylight, and she disappeared back into the darkness of her room.
If I were going to play messiah, I should have done it for her. However much she was going to earn by selling her body for the next several weeks, I could have matched that and more in a single return visit and freed her from her fate. I could have permanently changed her life for the better. I do not know what she endured for the remainder of her stay in Hawaii. She told me about what she had already endured, and I can't imagine that it got any better for her. Why didn't I do more for her? Because I was saving my resources to help someone else someone who as it turns out, did not need my help, did not want my help. I am haunted by the memory of the one who did need my help. I got it all wrong. I ain't no saint. Far from it. I am a bleeding heart one day, but a blackheart the next. Searching for absolution among the damned is a suicide mission. But I think I already knew that going in.
"IF I AM GOING TO HELL, I'm GOING THERE PLAYING THE PIANO!Now you looky here, my man. Well, in the first place, more stellar kine writing stuffs on your part. However, I been thinking and thinking on what you been saying and this what finally lit up like lightning across my sky and percolated into my skull: Pay-to-play is a special kind of insurance! It is: I paying dis provider good kala for a reason and the reason is I gets to fuck her pussy MINUS all the mental baloney us guys normal got to put up with in order to get some pussy in the civilian world. And brah, you is subverting the intent of this insurance policy by going all mental about the providers! I mean, you not just paying to play; you be paying so you don't got to go through all the head shit! No wonder that provider toll you for just follow your dick! Even she understands what the insurance (house + tip) is there for! Me thinks maybe you too smart for your own good. Just saying, because.
Light Bringer
07-18-17, 04:40
Now you looky here, my man. Well, in the first place, more stellar kine writing stuffs on your part. However, I been thinking and thinking on what you been saying and this what finally lit up like lightning across my sky and percolated into my skull: Pay-to-play is a special kind of insurance! It is: I paying dis provider good kala for a reason and the reason is I gets to fuck her pussy MINUS all the mental baloney us guys normal got to put up with in order to get some pussy in the civilian world. And brah, you is subverting the intent of this insurance policy by going all mental about the providers! I mean, you not just paying to play; you be paying so you don't got to go through all the head shit! No wonder that provider toll you for just follow your dick! Even she understands what the insurance (house + tip) is there for! Me thinks maybe you too smart for your own good. Just saying, because.You are right of course. I never had the intention of lingering too long on the AMP scene. I don't have the right frame of mind to survive here. I do not completely separate sex from emotional connections. I don't put on that kind of mental armor. Call it emotionally-unprotected sex. Yeah it is dangerous, but it was part of the experience for me. The most sophisticated providers are the expert dream-weavers who wrap you in a fantasy to keep you coming back for more. It was fascinating to be the canvas on which they practiced their art form. I was letting myself feel everything there was to feel, but counting on being able to quickly sort it all out in my head to avoid losing my mind over anyone. The danger was that I might eventually run into someone who I could not handle because they had a specific set of attributes that I had no defense against, but I thought it was highly unlikely I would come across this specific type of unicorn. Imagine my surprise.
You are right of course. I never had the intention of lingering too long on the AMP scene. I don't have the right frame of mind to survive here. I do not completely separate sex from emotional connections. I don't put on that kind of mental armor. Call it emotionally-unprotected sex. Yeah it is dangerous, but it was part of the experience for me. The most sophisticated providers are the expert dream-weavers who wrap you in a fantasy to keep you coming back for more. It was fascinating to be the canvas on which they practiced their art form. I was letting myself feel everything there was to feel, but counting on being able to quickly sort it all out in my head to avoid losing my mind over anyone. The danger was that I might eventually run into someone who I could not handle because they had a specific set of attributes that I had no defense against, but I thought it was highly unlikely I would come across this specific type of unicorn. Imagine my surprise.Might you have avoided your dilemma by seeing a variety of girls, all of which are charming, but would enable you to have maintain your pleasure without falling for one particular lovely lass? You write an interesting story, and I hope you are able to work through your current malaise.
Light Bringer
07-18-17, 15:38
I've visited exactly 20 providers. I got struck by lighting by just one of them. #13. Right near the middle. The ones I saw before #13 all went as expected. The ones I saw after #13 I saw specifically for the purpose of trying to get my mind off #13. Didn't work, but I'll be fine. Learned a lot about myself, and about other people. All part of life. I'll survive. I regret any inconvenience I cause anyone else, but I don't regret jumping in the pool and learning to swim the hard way.
Might you have avoided your dilemma by seeing a variety of girls, all of which are charming, but would enable you to have maintain your pleasure without falling for one particular lovely lass? You write an interesting story, and I hope you are able to work through your current malaise.
I also am a too long time monger, thinking 10 plus yrs "under the belt" literally. Been many a girls first or in the category of one of the first "customers" seen some advance some wither away and disappear. The service they provide us has to be one that is so mentally challenging, to always come across to US as if we are their dream guy, how many of us could do that, not me. I am the type I need a mental attraction as well for all to work properly. Otherwise Jr. May have a look but nothing mentally atracting shuts down and back sleep he goes, the provided maybe gorgeous, the best at her "speciality" if I don't have that mental attraction nothing going get me my "happy ending" sometimes not even myself can get it.
I also have a metal plate and screws in my neck, basically you could say my head is really screwed on to the body, a provider that CAN massage with some skilz and walk on back and upper back area "knowingly" without causing pain or paralysis is the best. When this angel appeared and provided that relief from pain etc. To being able to mentally stimulate me was over the top. Seen her for over 7 months was great became friends seen each other outside working hours. Then to have her suddenly for no apparent reason shut me out, pulled something up and out that not even my wife had or could have down. Became totally obsessed when was taken out wasn't there prior to this removal didn't see it or feel it. I know part or alot of it was the pain management aspect, trying to stay off that RX road to many friends all f. Ed up because of that and when I do take it another me that's not nice. Spoken to many of the girls how they can "act" as if for all of us, what they say like giving birth guys couldn't hang with it. The " one" that's gets all guys and we all will get that one takes us there, its a fight that completely exhausts every inch of you and to LIVE thru it and share is a blessing. Thats the monger life we all must go thru someday some sooner than others but it cat hes up and says "Hi how ya doing" enjoy the ride like a boy scout be prepared.
You are right of course. I never had the intention of lingering too long on the AMP scene. I don't have the right frame of mind to survive here. I do not completely separate sex from emotional connections. I don't put on that kind of mental armor. Call it emotionally-unprotected sex. Yeah it is dangerous, but it was part of the experience for me. The most sophisticated providers are the expert dream-weavers who wrap you in a fantasy to keep you coming back for more. It was fascinating to be the canvas on which they practiced their art form. I was letting myself feel everything there was to feel, but counting on being able to quickly sort it all out in my head to avoid losing my mind over anyone. The danger was that I might eventually run into someone who I could not handle because they had a specific set of attributes that I had no defense against, but I thought it was highly unlikely I would come across this specific type of unicorn. Imagine my surprise.We all start out that way. Its not natural to have sex without emotions or attachment but we all learn what the game is about once we get burned.
Member #5810
07-20-17, 08:30
I've visited exactly 20 providers. I got struck by lighting by just one of them. #13. Right near the middle. The ones I saw before #13 all went as expected. The ones I saw after #13 I saw specifically for the purpose of trying to get my mind off #13. Didn't work, but I'll be fine. Learned a lot about myself, and about other people. All part of life. I'll survive. I regret any inconvenience I cause anyone else, but I don't regret jumping in the pool and learning to swim the hard way.Just my opinion but I think your love was one sided yes? And the worst part of one sided love is you want so desperately what you don't or cannot have. The pain that ensues is deep and consuming. Look back at this feeling and embrace it for what it was. I think it will heal you. I can't say I know how you feel, but my pain is that even though I could possibly make things work, circumstances absolutely forbid this from becoming a reality. So in a sense I feel your pain. I have a special someone and she feels the same way but we know the rules of how things must go. That is pain. And I see other providers to dilute these intense feelings of love. Kinda twisted but it works and it allows me to walk the tightrope.
I guess I'm just wired differently. I think 98% of the people I've had sex with in my lifetime I've felt nothing for them. It was just sex and nothing more. I moved on quickly without thinking much about it. Only someone truly special can make me equal sex with emotion. Most of my partners meant nothing to me and I quickly forgot about them and the meaningless encounter.
Real GF's meant something to me, but random pick ups and AMP girls (while super nice people) they mean nothing and the sex is just an act of release. I think sex without emotional connection is more natural than with. I also don't think we are meant to be monogamous. But that's another topic.
Its not natural to have sex without emotions or attachment but we all learn what the game is about once we get burned.
We all start out that way. Its not natural to have sex without emotions or attachment but we all learn what the game is about once we get burned.I have always been able to just fuck. That doesn't mean that at times I haven't experienced what you're talking about because I have but lots of people can fuck without experiencing the thing you're talking about.
I guess I'm just wired differently. I think 98% of the people I've had sex with in my lifetime I've felt nothing for them. It was just sex and nothing more. I moved on quickly without thinking much about it. Only someone truly special can make me equal sex with emotion. Most of my partners meant nothing to me and I quickly forgot about them and the meaningless encounter.
Real GF's meant something to me, but random pick ups and AMP girls (while super nice people) they mean nothing and the sex is just an act of release. I think sex without emotional connection is more natural than with. I also don't think we are meant to be monogamous. But that's another topic.She sometimes go to adult friend finder and catch "the most suitable" male fish for pure pleasure.
She doesn't care about male's wealth, job, stable financial and relationship issue, race or all the diffucult thing to consider like how many kids he has with exs, how much he has to oay for child support, how much he earns and pay debt a month, etc.
She just choose the most physically attractive male in her fishing net.
She calls it "pure female instinct" : getting successful husband while enjoying younger stronger stallion.
Yeah. Even women enjoy the secret sinful pleasure without emotional connection. In many aspects of emotional connectiom can be actually very very secular calculation. Whether this man can afford rental if i live together, i may pay fucking attorney fee when he fight against his ex..can people judge me if i date with poor man? She may be the real pure animal while affairs.
Understand exactly. I've exchanged numbers with a few girls and there was one girl that text me daily sometime several times throughout the day. I didn't mind. I thought it was cool. The text messages happened daily for a long period of time. We still text but not as much and when our schedules click we occasionally have lunch and fun together. In another instance; Had a another girl from a different AMP text me daily too. We've been out to lunch, and just hanging out serveral times. Yes like you I had to remind myself that all I probally was to her was dollar sign, but I kept an open mind and we've developed a very good friendship. Just go with the flow, you never know it may lead to something else...Hahahaha LOL. I don't usually pay much mind to the Drs posts though I refuse to put on ignore Why miss out on the entertainment right?
Whatever you wrote may or may not be true that's not what's hilarious to me but it's so obviously veiled in humblebrag I can't help laughing. This clown quit this site many moons ago supposedly because dudes were giving him a hard time about his posting g style but then he mysteriously reappears couple months ago just as when he disappeared. But there's something so woogie gooberish about the way he writes. It's just funny as hell.
Good luck to you man. God knows you need it if you're trying to prance on massage forum. LOL ya dork.
Shots fired.
Undercover male cop (as a john) from HPD and undercover female cop (as a hooker) from waikiki police confront each other and try to arrest each other??
I hear that it really happened in big city while drug bust.
Undercover male cop (as a john) from HPD and undercover female cop (as a hooker) from waikiki police confront each other and try to arrest each other??
I hear that it really happened in big city while drug bust.I don't think that would happen here as HPD Narco Vice would have coordinated with the districts. On the mainland, it is possible as there are many jurisdictions (city, county, Sheriffs) that intersect. On top of that, backup would have been there for the arrest.
Gemini Twin
07-22-17, 11:08
I don't think that would happen here as HPD Narco Vice would have coordinated with the districts. On the mainland, it is possible as there are many jurisdictions (city, county, Sheriffs) that intersect. On top of that, backup would have been there for the arrest.Just aside note here, I recall several providers mentioning to me about one of us mongers that goes trolling our fishing grounds and uses the catch phrase "I am a police officer and you take care of me I will watch out for you" now whether this person is or not I do not know, but has scared off some of the newer ones that came Hawaii and "set up shop" to have this person scare them back to wherever. Was described as "local, darker skin tone, black hair 5'8" or 9" 180 lbs. Providers are pretty good at guestimating our height weight etc. Think about it, especially if they feel intimidated by that person even more so. Person used a throwaway number different name targets the indie girls and patrols this forum. Mongers giving info on pinky at hirem there seems you attacking her, she's a sweet girl that does give a good massage, having known her for 3 years plus and tried many times with $$$ and without to get the finger wet to have her teasingly reject my advances time and time again know for a fact the only person getting that sweet nani and I am sure it is, is her BF. If anyone else has describe it to me when you got it month and shaved, bushy or nice little line of hair oh so neat. Not that I have gotten but she'd tell me if I asked and why.
Nice to see Rina is back on the market, another provider that is not easy. Those of us that have know its a delicacy. She is one the tightest girls I have known, she keeps hers shaved and hates to have long hair or mustache brush it while eating that apple pie, when she does play the flute ever so gently you get taken and played like a true professional her tongue ever so lightly plays the right notes, swearing you hearing Angels as she get her notes right on tune, when then orchestra climaxes with a bang knowing / feeling like no way in hell am I alive after feeling that delightful sensation. Watching as she licks and swallows every last drop as if it is her favorite drink. Yes she goes there only for a few "chosen ones" usually its BBFSCIP BBFSCIM. Swam deep in that pool loved it. Mongers with her are attacking a fellow monger why, support him as you have with others. He knows the rules he is a big boy. Don't attack him support him in his "recovery". We need support one another specially with these new laws we can do 5 years for buying some time with someone come on. Shit be lucky any body talks about their exploits leading us to our next ATF.
Fair enough; advice appreciated.Most asian-asians (women who came to america when they are grown up adults) are out of local pimps' catching fishnet.
Cause they are matured enough to ignore pimps' mind game and love building money more than bs relationship live love blah blah.
Most of them had been experinece of so-called normal 'nice' house lady experience.
Struggling with divorce, single mom life, financila battle. They chose this job. They become ****** after they gor so tired of "non ****" lives. May start to pay off medical bill collectiok or save retainer for divorce lawyer. They might have decided "ok only 7 k" but finally find the power of money (gucci sales assitants' service is different from walmart casher when you spend 3 k. All she can eat is changed into organic whole food, she doesn't need to worry about price any more.
Many chose provider job not because they could not find nice sweet guy but because they got tired of those good guys.
Most asian-asians (women who came to america when they are grown up adults) are out of local pimps' catching fishnet.
Cause they are matured enough to ignore pimps' mind game and love building money more than bs relationship live love blah blah.
Most of them had been experinece of so-called normal 'nice' house lady experience.
Struggling with divorce, single mom life, financila battle. They chose this job. They become ****** after they gor so tired of "non ****" lives. May start to pay off medical bill collectiok or save retainer for divorce lawyer. They might have decided "ok only 7 k" but finally find the power of money (gucci sales assitants' service is different from walmart casher when you spend 3 k. All she can eat is changed into organic whole food, she doesn't need to worry about price any more.
Many chose provider job not because they could not find nice sweet guy but because they got tired of those good guys.Your comments are very accurate and I can tell that you are an experienced monger. As I mentioned in my previous post these so called working girls are nothing more than professional hustlers. Their job is to separate and hook the customers into relieving them of their hard earn money. I've had serious conversations with these pro's in the past and I've come to the conclusion that the average pro earns at least a 1 K a day or more. Some will do outcalls and earn even more, tax free Some pros have told me they feel sorry for their clients, but their job is to make them happy and feel better and separate them from their money. That way they will feel better.
I know of a few provider that came into the business so that she could earn some money and pay off the money they owed. She mentioned that she would quit shortly when everything has been paid off. Well, she paid off the friend a few years ago and kept saying she would quit in a year or two. To this very day, she has NO intention of quitting as business has been very lucrative. She can now work when she wants, spend money as she likes, buy a luxury vehicle, purchase another new home. As the years go by, I notice that the once innocent provider has now turned into a "TRUE PRO".
With the extra cash, it has paid for her botox injections, breasts lifts, vaginal rejuvenation, some butt work, some lipo work and thinking about doing a little more work on other parts of her body. This is a typical working girl and nothing more than that. Takes vacation time to travel. They don't want to be compared to the bar girls as they refer them as being "cheap". At least that's what they tell me.
Conclusion of my experiences. With money they will do almost anything with you. Treat them well and have cash in hand. They will make you feel special for the (45-50 minutes) hour and that is their job. Don't believe anything they say especially the part that they are letting you have it because you are "SPECIAL". Note: special refers to BBFS, anal, FIV, FIA, COF, and other stuff.
That is the biggest lie you will hear.
Mahalo to the brothers and fuck them all. Good luck.
Just aside note here, I recall several providers mentioning to me about one of us mongers that goes trolling our fishing grounds and uses the catch phrase "I am a police officer and you take care of me I will watch out for you" now whether this person is or not I do not know, but has scared off some of the newer ones that came Hawaii and "set up shop" to have this person scare them back to wherever. Was described as "local, darker skin tone, black hair 5'8" or 9" 180 lbs.Don't AMPs have video of mongers when we're at their front door on record?
Yeah, I agree that Dallas looks hot with her new bolt ons and she has a generally pleasant demeanor. But her level of service when I saw her recently was not up to the usual high standards that I've experienced at Rejuve. She seemed too scripted, no dfk, no lfk, no rim, no daty, no playing with her bolt ons. I guess she had a bad day or something. Or maybe she was overworked. I probably would not repeat. I understand that lot of others have had very good things to say about her and I respect their opinion (that is why I decided to try her). IMHO, Dallas is YMMV. Good luck guys and have fun.
Dallas' has declined due claims by some mongers of receiving special service so others are also asking for special service too. Thats why there was another post of not even asking for special service. Ijnore these posts of some who make vague claims of this or that from a provider unless she's widely known for providing it or we will risk losing another great provider.
Don't AMPs have video of mongers when we're at their front door on record?But not for recording our brilliant good appearance for wonen's masterbation.
Most AMP have cctv in case emergency.
Suspicious car or people in parking lot can be detected. Cop or robber looking ones or blacklisted guys.
So if you are not those guys who can hurt AMP busniess, don't worry.
P.S. / AMP's prevention: cctv, all excuse to kick suspicious cops out, womens' tongue network (most powerful one- we may experience very unfriendly treatment at new placr suddenly then after a few days we may find new bust just started).
But not for recording our brilliant good appearance for wonen's masterbation.
Most AMP have cctv in case emergency.
Suspicious car or people in parking lot can be detected. Cop or robber looking ones or blacklisted guys.
So if you are not those guys who can hurt AMP busniess, don't worry.
P.S. / AMP's prevention: cctv, all excuse to kick suspicious cops out, womens' tongue network (most powerful one- we may experience very unfriendly treatment at new placr suddenly then after a few days we may find new bust just started).GT did mention this guy targets the indies, which would put them out of the AMPs protection. Unless they here with a fat bank roll to get the ball rolling, don't see many indies doing that. Their safest bet I think would be hotels. That way not secluded. Get 24 hour security etc. Usual cameras all over. They wud have to play they was out scamming guys and blahblahblah. Taking the heat off them if played right. Tough call. As for sweety pie Pinky, I hope you mongers are not feeding info to some physco, who the hell want pictures of a provider jagging some dude off unless hes got some suger in his tank or Pink has just refused him for whatever reason. Here you helping some guy get his perv on, on the Rina front, glad she is back and safe, you are crusifing the guy is that not a double standard? Look back post, search Rina several times she blocks guys and we help that guy get back in with her. What's the difference here? Shit he was seeing her for I think 6 months with no problems then boom hes a cockroach overnight something no add up. One guy she 86 ed we helped get him in again with her is now her adviser what is that. Unders maybe?. I don't know but think about it I putting in my word for the brother.
Monger on.
Light Bringer
07-23-17, 09:00
Just my opinion but I think your love was one sided yes? And the worst part of one sided love is you want so desperately what you don't or cannot have. The pain that ensues is deep and consuming. Look back at this feeling and embrace it for what it was. I think it will heal you. I can't say I know how you feel, but my pain is that even though I could possibly make things work, circumstances absolutely forbid this from becoming a reality. So in a sense I feel your pain. I have a special someone and she feels the same way but we know the rules of how things must go. That is pain. And I see other providers to dilute these intense feelings of love. Kinda twisted but it works and it allows me to walk the tightrope.One-sided, yes. I presume so. Unrequited love is an unmerciful mistress. But I am usually able to avoid that. Unrequited love usually involves one person turning the other into a object on which they hang all of their own dreams, aspirations, hopes of escape or relief from some pain, etc. One person constructs a self-indulgent fantasy and insists that the other play the role written for her. In a way, this dehumanizes the woman by turning her into an abstract ideal instead of letting her be her own person. Most of the time, I understand myself, the situation, and the other person well enough to navigate both of us out of that trap. Like free diving for pearls in the open ocean. You need constant self-awareness to keep yourself out of trouble. If you dive too deep and don't conserve enough breath to get back to the surface.
But on one of these dives I saw something beautiful hidden in the depths just beyond my reach. It was a situation I was not familiar with, and I was looking at something I had never seen before. Could not resist the temptation to get a closer look. At some point I knew I has stayed under too long and I wasn't getting back to the surface alive. But I just kept diving further. You don't fully realize what is beautiful about someone until you are close enough to hurt or be hurt by them.
Was it worth dying for? Yes. Good news is that I have nine lives. Bad news is that I've lost track of how many lives I have used up at this point. That one was worth it though.
Dallas' has declined due claims by some mongers of receiving special service so others are also asking for special service too. Thats why there was another post of not even asking for special service. Ijnore these posts of some who make vague claims of this or that from a provider unless she's widely known for providing it or we will risk losing another great provider.You sir are correct. I think many reviews here are made by people that have never set foot in an AMP, shills, or exaggerated fantasies of what the monger wished happened during the session. Sure, some long time repeaters probably get some special treatment. That goes with everything, I've gone to the same fish market for years, I walk in and they take care of me no matter how long the line, but it took going there once a week for over a year to get the special treatment.
I take most posts claiming to get BBBJ or FS from a well know HE only provider or BBCIP from a known CFS provider with a grain of salt. Most reviews I rely on are vanilla, good girl, does her job well, monger leaves happy. It's the ones claiming to bring the provider to new heights of ecstasy and two bodies intertwined in the throws of passion that are nothing more than erotic creative writing.
Yeah, I agree that Dallas looks hot with her new bolt ons and she has a generally pleasant demeanor. But her level of service when I saw her recently was not up to the usual high standards that I've experienced at Rejuve. She seemed too scripted, no dfk, no lfk, no rim, no daty, no playing with her bolt ons. I guess she had a bad day or something. Or maybe she was overworked. I probably would not repeat. I understand that lot of others have had very good things to say about her and I respect their opinion (that is why I decided to try her). IMHO, Dallas is YMMV. Good luck guys and have fun.
Dallas' has declined due claims by some mongers of receiving special service so others are also asking for special service too. Thats why there was another post of not even asking for special service. Ijnore these posts of some who make vague claims of this or that from a provider unless she's widely known for providing it or we will risk losing another great provider.Its YMMV with any and all providers. So reviews should be taken as such with opinions from everyone taken with a grain of salt. What one brother might get another might not but it still is good to know what the average consensus is. And you know what. She aint going nowhere. Where else can she make 2 k a day.
Its YMMV with any and all providers. So reviews should be taken as such with opinions from everyone taken with a grain of salt. What one brother might get another might not but it still is good to know what the average consensus is. And you know what. She aint going nowhere. Where else can she make 2 k a day.It is the provider's goal to make each customer feel special so he keeps coming back. So some, if not most will feel if one guy is getting special treatment, why not him? Sure YMMV that's understandable but that's not going to stop many asking and complaining about it if they don't get it cause they special too.
Your comments are very accurate and I can tell that you are an experienced monger. As I mentioned in my previous post these so called working girls are nothing more than professional hustlers. Their job is to separate and hook the customers into relieving them of their hard earn money. .Hey Doc, nobody is forcing guys to go to AMPs and see these girls. We go on our free will knowing what it costs to have a good time. Some people just get way too attached to the girls here apparently that's why this topic seems to always pop up on the rejuve thread. And like you say, for the girls its just a job.
Member #5810
07-23-17, 16:07
One-sided, yes. I presume so. Unrequited love is an unmerciful mistress. But I am usually able to avoid that. Unrequited love usually involves one person turning the other into a object on which they hang all of their own dreams, aspirations, hopes of escape or relief from some pain, etc. One person constructs a self-indulgent fantasy and insists that the other play the role written for her. In a way, this dehumanizes the woman by turning her into an abstract ideal instead of letting her be her own person. Most of the time, I understand myself, the situation, and the other person well enough to navigate both of us out of that trap. Like free diving for pearls in the open ocean. You need constant self-awareness to keep yourself out of trouble. If you dive too deep and don't conserve enough breath to get back to the surface.
But on one of these dives I saw something beautiful hidden in the depths just beyond my reach. It was a situation I was not familiar with, and I was looking at something I had never seen before. Could not resist the temptation to get a closer look. At some point I knew I has stayed under too long and I wasn't getting back to the surface alive. But I just kept diving further. You don't fully realize what is beautiful about someone until you are close enough to hurt or be hurt by them.
Was it worth dying for? Yes. Good news is that I have nine lives. Bad news is that I've lost track of how many lives I have used up at this point. That one was worth it though.Damn, I love your analogy! So true, so true!
SureYourRight
07-23-17, 17:19
Yeah, I agree that Dallas looks hot with her new bolt ons and she has a generally pleasant demeanor. But her level of service when I saw her recently was not up to the usual high standards that I've experienced at Rejuve. She seemed too scripted, no dfk, no lfk, no rim, no daty, no playing with her bolt ons. I guess she had a bad day or something. Or maybe she was overworked. I probably would not repeat. I understand that lot of others have had very good things to say about her and I respect their opinion (that is why I decided to try her). IMHO, Dallas is YMMV. Good luck guys and have fun.
Dallas' has declined due claims by some mongers of receiving special service so others are also asking for special service too. Thats why there was another post of not even asking for special service. Ijnore these posts of some who make vague claims of this or that from a provider unless she's widely known for providing it or we will risk losing another great provider.Once you have a steady list of clients some of them will get filtered out. Dallas has been coming to Hawaii for years. I'm sure she has quite a few die hard customers who will see her no matter what service they get and on a regular basis as long as she's on the island. I don't understand how guys expect extras from these senior girls without committing at least 10 sessions ($2000) to her. She can perform based on how she feels about you at this point and either way she's going to come out ahead.
You sir are correct. I think many reviews here are made by people that have never set foot in an AMP, shills, or exaggerated fantasies of what the monger wished happened during the session. Sure, some long time repeaters probably get some special treatment. That goes with everything, I've gone to the same fish market for years, I walk in and they take care of me no matter how long the line, but it took going there once a week for over a year to get the special treatment.
I take most posts claiming to get BBBJ or FS from a well know HE only provider or BBCIP from a known CFS provider with a grain of salt. Most reviews I rely on are vanilla, good girl, does her job well, monger leaves happy. It's the ones claiming to bring the provider to new heights of ecstasy and two bodies intertwined in the throws of passion that are nothing more than erotic creative writing.Couldn't have said it any better.
Its YMMV with any and all providers. So reviews should be taken as such with opinions from everyone taken with a grain of salt. What one brother might get another might not but it still is good to know what the average consensus is. And you know what. She aint going nowhere. Where else can she make 2 k a day.Dallas can work anywhere she feels like. She was already popular in Hawaii and had no reason for bolt ons. But she did it to get more customers on the mainland.
Once you have a steady list of clients some of them will get filtered out. Dallas has been coming to Hawaii for years. I'm sure she has quite a few die hard customers who will see her no matter what service they get and on a regular basis as long as she's on the island. I don't understand how guys expect extras from these senior girls without committing at least 10 sessions ($2000) to her. She can perform based on how she feels about you at this point and either way she's going to come out ahead.If she has something special. Really good looking or really wonderful service or really special skill.
Some bad review can never hurt her business.
One guy complains about her and give bad review but if another guy A has had good time then guy A will not side with monger bro. If he be sure of good time with her, he will go for her. And popular girls have a lot of fans who believe in her looks or service.
Instead he will think "oh am I special to her? "Oh that man might have done something mean. A provider is human too. Pity for her".
Mongers' brotherhood may be much weaker than "boycott against anti- middle class male speech".
And many mongers really don't care about bb that much. Rather some mongers avoid well known bbfs girls.
Well if people here find dallas is strict cfs girl, bbfs guys may avoud her. Good for her too.
ClintonPortis
07-23-17, 20:07
Judging by the pics, she is hot enough to make 300-400 an hour going independent. Surprised no one has convinced her to do that. She could take on even LESS customers and be more selective, while still making the same amount of money. Less wear and tear on her body, and she'll have a better time because she can weed out the ugly / fat undesirables.
I've always wondered why the hottest girls (Hilton, Dallas, Lexi, Nani (before she became owner) work at bottom barrel AMPs where they are earning barely above hooker rates).
Light Bringer
07-23-17, 21:29
The provider I was talking about in this post (who has since left Golden Spa and gone back to L. A.), brought up an interesting point. She said that the older providers or the mamasans who were helping her out often commented on how things have changed over the years. They had told her that these days you have to watch out for "sex maniacs", and that there is a higher level of vulgarity and perversion than there had been before. Remember that she had been brand new to the business, so everything was probably shocking to her. I doubt there is much difference between today and five years ago, but I suspect that if you are talking about 15 or 20 years ago, there is a significant difference. Sure, there has always been twisted stuff out there, but with the endless and widespread availability of internet porn, people have become numb to what was once normal, and what was once extreme has now become normal. More people need to go to greater extremes to satisfy their appetites. I understand TEHO, but I don't get anything out of making a girl repeatedly gag or watching her try to swallow her own fist. There is now an entire generation that has grown up watching that on the internet before they even learned how to kiss a girl. I'm no old school puritan. IMHO perversion is the offspring of repression, and if we had a normal, healthy view of sex instead of shrouding it in guilt and shame, we would all be much happier. We shouldn't be surprised when providers change over time after having to deal with what some of us expect from them nowadays.
That's high praise coming from you, Cosmic, considering that your commentary in this forum is highly regarded. Didn't I read here somewhere that a provider wanted to meet you based on the way you write alone? Unfortunately, I am far far too lazy to ever write a book. But I'll share with you a short tale of one poignant encounter I had on the scene a few weeks ago.
I wanted to try something different, so booked an appointment with a girl who had decent reviews, but was very new to the scene. When I met her, I could tell she was nervous and unsure of herself. I carried with me a heavy air of melancholy into the session, which I believe she interpreted as a gentle and patient demeanor. Her sense of relief was palpable as she grew more comfortable with me. When we got into the act, there was a connection, both physical and emotional. She spent the next several minutes post-climax in a state of bewilderment and ecstasy, gasping and laughing. I could not help but smile and laugh myself in response. Then as she came back down to earth, she opened up to me, and it was a flood. She told me her backstory, about how she came here to earn some quick cash to get herself and her young son out of a bad situation back in LA. She talked about the shame and guilt that she felt over what she was doing, how she just wanted to go back home and work a normal job. She had already set a date to go home, and she said that she would never think about Hawaii again. It was devastating to listen to, and it fell like a hammer on me. The fragile dignity of a struggling single mother. Had I really just violated something so sacrosanct? But then she looked at me, smiled, and said that at least I had given her one good memory to take home with her. She had no idea that at that moment she held the power of judgement over me, but with that single sentence, she returned the verdict: ABSOLVO. (But in the end, I am still among the unforgiven). We spent a lot of time talking. There was, underneath our words, the common language of despair, but also the comfort of heartfelt sympathy from someone who was but one hour ago a stranger. I emptied out the rest of my wallet for both her and her son and we said our goodbyes. I walked out into the blinding daylight, and she disappeared back into the darkness of her room.
GT did mention this guy targets the indies, which would put them out of the AMPs protection.There was a former UH volleyball player who became a cop and went rogue. I think he got caught with indies and not at AMPs. ROOF! Hotels and condos usually have CCTV. An indie doing bidness at an apartment complex might have a guy hiding in the closet or bathroom.
Judging by the pics, she is hot enough to make 300-400 an hour going independent. Surprised no one has convinced her to do that. She could take on even LESS customers and be more selective, while still making the same amount of money. Less wear and tear on her body, and she'll have a better time because she can weed out the ugly / fat undesirables.
I've always wondered why the hottest girls (Hilton, Dallas, Lexi, Nani (before she became owner) work at bottom barrel AMPs where they are earning barely above hooker rates).Making 2 k a day or more is nothing to scoff at and I think the MPs provide some sort of security and screening. Its a crapshoot answering the call from some dude who may be some ass wipe abusive mother fucker. The money the top providers make is what keeps them going its addicting like a drug. Remember on slow days they will take any tom dick or harry that walks in that door. Just my two cents.
Hey Doc, nobody is forcing guys to go to AMPs and see these girls. We go on our free will knowing what it costs to have a good time. Some people just get way too attached to the girls here apparently that's why this topic seems to always pop up on the rejuve thread. And like you say, for the girls its just a job.You hit the nail right on the head "everyone gets too way attached to the girls" this pops up in the rejuve thread because naturally everyone falls in love with the top provider and think they are the special one LOL. So. Guys come out and give commentary which are good and not too good and it becomes a heated topic. I'm sure to some service is great but to others it sucks. Bottom line is its always about the money and nothing else. Believe me because I know. Once the money dries up you're dead meat. Try it if you don't believe me. Try drying up the kiss ass extra stuff and see how fast you drop. This is their job and guys don't get it. Their job is to take your money and doing it in any way that they can manipulate you they will.
So. All you cowboys don't be fooled and get branded a sucker.
I boggles my mind to think that someone that gives a woman money for sex can somehow think they are special. I'm paying money to not be special. I want to be a nobody, I want to be forgotten. I'm there for me and I couldn't care less if she has a real or fake orgasm. It's my money, she is there to make me happy (that's why we call them providers) and then I leave without drama. I don't get begged to stay and spend the night. One hour up and it's you go now! I go there to avoid all the trappings of having a GF. It's easy and I try a different one each time.
I pay the going rate, nothing more and leave happy. Why in the world would someone think love can be found in an AMP is beyond me.
It's the same story, hooker with a heart of gold and the John that thinks he can save her and take her from this terrible life. LOL! Pure delusion.
You hit the nail right on the head "everyone gets too way attached to the girls" this pops up in the rejuve thread because naturally everyone falls in love with the top provider and think they are the special one LOL. So. Guys come out and give commentary which are good and not too good and it becomes a heated topic. I'm sure to some service is great but to others it sucks. Bottom line is its always about the money and nothing else. Believe me because I know. Once the money dries up you're dead meat. Try it if you don't believe me. Try drying up the kiss ass extra stuff and see how fast you drop. This is their job and guys don't get it. Their job is to take your money and doing it in any way that they can manipulate you they will.
So. All you cowboys don't be fooled and get branded a sucker.
Light Bringer
07-26-17, 05:05
It happens because we are human. And because the world is ruled by statistics, not absolutes. Your generalization might be right 99.9% of the time, but there will be that 0. 1% that will be the exception that proves the rule. The Black Swan. There will always be someone who believes they are the One. And one of them actually is.
If what you believe to be possible is limited to what is ordinary, you will probably be right most of the time. But you will certainly never be extraordinary.
I boggles my mind to think that someone that gives a woman money for sex can somehow think they are special. I'm paying money to not be special. I want to be a nobody, I want to be forgotten. I'm there for me and I couldn't care less if she has a real or fake orgasm. It's my money, she is there to make me happy (that's why we call them providers) and then I leave without drama. I don't get begged to stay and spend the night. One hour up and it's you go now! I go there to avoid all the trappings of having a GF. It's easy and I try a different one each time.
I pay the going rate, nothing more and leave happy. Why in the world would someone think love can be found in an AMP is beyond me.
It's the same story, hooker with a heart of gold and the John that thinks he can save her and take her from this terrible life. LOL! Pure delusion.
Yes, you are correct. Maybe, somewhere in CC there is a provider that I will meet and she will sincerely fall for me and I for her. Not saying it can't happen, just saying we shouldn't go there looking for love, if guys are then they're setting themselves up for an awful lot of heartache.
It happens because we are human. And because the world is ruled by statistics, not absolutes. Your generalization might be right 99.9% of the time, but there will be that 0. 1% that will be the exception that proves the rule. The Black Swan. There will always be someone who believes they are the One. And one of them actually is.
If what you believe to be possible is limited to what is ordinary, you will probably be right most of the time. But you will certainly never be extraordinary.
ClintonPortis
07-26-17, 14:39
It happens because we are human. And because the world is ruled by statistics, not absolutes. Your generalization might be right 99.9% of the time, but there will be that 0. 1% that will be the exception that proves the rule. The Black Swan. There will always be someone who believes they are the One. And one of them actually is.
If what you believe to be possible is limited to what is ordinary, you will probably be right most of the time. But you will certainly never be extraordinary.LOL if you actually believe this. There is NOTHING extraordinary about this hobby or the people involved. You are not going to find Julia Roberts. You are not Richard Gere. You are a john. They are hookers. The sooner you accept this, the happier and satisfied you will be.
I don't get why this is so hard to accept. If you want a GF to love you and make you feel special and like the one. GO GET A FREAKING GIRLFRIEND. This island is crawling with girls of all kinds. Tall, short, fat, skinny, white, brown, yellow, mixed, young, old, etc. Why in god's name would you want to find a GF at a brothel?
You go to an AMP to get a release, to fulfill a fantasy, to have sex with a girl that is way hotter than you.
Why is it so important to you that hookers are less than people? Agreed the numbers are pretty low on what he's saying but at the end of the day hookers are people and johns are people and people kind of hook up. It's sort of what we do as humans.
I know 8 or 10 hookers that hooked up with clients and have been in LTR's for years.
A2
ManapuaMan
07-26-17, 15:22
There's some eloquent mongers writing in this thread. Keep it up. I'm learning more each day!
Lolo MP Man.
LOL if you actually believe this. There is NOTHING extraordinary about this hobby or the people involved. You are not going to find Julia Roberts. You are not Richard Gere. You are a john. They are hookers. The sooner you accept this, the happier and satisfied you will be.
I don't get why this is so hard to accept. If you want a GF to love you and make you feel special and like the one. GO GET A FREAKING GIRLFRIEND. This island is crawling with girls of all kinds. Tall, short, fat, skinny, white, brown, yellow, mixed, young, old, etc. Why in god's name would you want to find a GF at a brothel?
You go to an AMP to get a release, to fulfill a fantasy, to have sex with a girl that is way hotter than you.
Why is it so important to you that hookers are less than people? Agreed the numbers are pretty low on what he's saying but at the end of the day hookers are people and johns are people and people kind of hook up. It's sort of what we do as humans.
I know 8 or 10 hookers that hooked up with clients and have been in LTR's for years.
A2I agree with admin! Who the fuq burned your dick and broke your heart doggie? I mean c'Mon. Winnah seriously, you going really sit there and put limitations on the possibilities that it could just happen. I wonder, do you think it's impossible to make a hoe a housewife? If so then your sadly mistaken. Love can be found anywhere providing the two are ready and willing to make it work. Why you got to bust his bubble for? So what if feel for someone in type bznz. There are genuine girls that live life as a sex provider and unfortunately find it very hard for themselves to even possibly have a LTR because of the stereotype and the judgment. But hey WTF do I know?! I'm just money hungry ***** and your just a horny hard up John. Smfh. You is EXTRA-ordinary!
Member #5810
07-26-17, 22:20
LOL if you actually believe this. There is NOTHING extraordinary about this hobby or the people involved. You are not going to find Julia Roberts. You are not Richard Gere. You are a john. They are hookers. The sooner you accept this, the happier and satisfied you will be.
I don't get why this is so hard to accept. If you want a GF to love you and make you feel special and like the one. GO GET A FREAKING GIRLFRIEND. This island is crawling with girls of all kinds. Tall, short, fat, skinny, white, brown, yellow, mixed, young, old, etc. Why in god's name would you want to find a GF at a brothel?
You go to an AMP to get a release, to fulfill a fantasy, to have sex with a girl that is way hotter than you.
Why is it so important to you that hookers are less than people? Agreed the numbers are pretty low on what he's saying but at the end of the day hookers are people and johns are people and people kind of hook up. It's sort of what we do as humans.
I know 8 or 10 hookers that hooked up with clients and have been in LTR's for years.
A2My thoughts exactly A2! We're all people and the girls are people too that do this job. There are really nice people in this business and there are really nice Johns too.
Member #5810
07-27-17, 01:15
I agree with admin! Who the fuq burned your dick and broke your heart doggie? I mean c'Mon. Winnah seriously, you going really sit there and put limitations on the possibilities that it could just happen. I wonder, do you think it's impossible to make a hoe a housewife? If so then your sadly mistaken. Love can be found anywhere providing the two are ready and willing to make it work. Why you got to bust his bubble for? So what if feel for someone in type bznz. There are genuine girls that live life as a sex provider and unfortunately find it very hard for themselves to even possibly have a LTR because of the stereotype and the judgment. But hey WTF do I know?! I'm just money hungry ***** and your just a horny hard up John. Smfh. You is EXTRA-ordinary!I'm with you honey! Well said from a working girl! !!
It happens because we are human. And because the world is ruled by statistics, not absolutes. Your generalization might be right 99.9% of the time, but there will be that 0. 1% that will be the exception that proves the rule. The Black Swan. There will always be someone who believes they are the One. And one of them actually is.
If what you believe to be possible is limited to what is ordinary, you will probably be right most of the time. But you will certainly never be extraordinary.If a guy really love her and she loves him too, it is romance.
But if a guy really love her but she want just "business meeting" and no more step, it is one sided love. And if a guy try to cross the line that she settle strongly, it is a stalking.
It is possible that a guy can just accept girl's job while keeping relationship or she may quit it to be with him.
But if she reject, let's leave her alone.
Simple.
Not only in AMP girl and guy relationship, but also in all human relationship.
It happens because we are human. And because the world is ruled by statistics, not absolutes. Your generalization might be right 99.9% of the time, but there will be that 0. 1% that will be the exception that proves the rule. The Black Swan. There will always be someone who believes they are the One. And one of them actually is.
If what you believe to be possible is limited to what is ordinary, you will probably be right most of the time. But you will certainly never be extraordinary.I first handed experienced this, so it is possible.
There's some eloquent mongers writing in this thread. Keep it up. I'm learning more each day!
Lolo MP Man.I believe he may be referring to you.
I agree with admin! Who the fuq burned your dick and broke your heart doggie? I mean c'Mon. Winnah seriously, you going really sit there and put limitations on the possibilities that it could just happen. I wonder, do you think it's impossible to make a hoe a housewife? If so then your sadly mistaken. Love can be found anywhere providing the two are ready and willing to make it work. Why you got to bust his bubble for? So what if feel for someone in type bznz. There are genuine girls that live life as a sex provider and unfortunately find it very hard for themselves to even possibly have a LTR because of the stereotype and the judgment. But hey WTF do I know?! I'm just money hungry ***** and your just a horny hard up John. Smfh. You is EXTRA-ordinary!Agree with both of you, Admn and JD. One of my best friend, god bless his soul, was in a LTR and everyone associated with them accepted their relationship. They did everything normal couples do except getting married, but that's another story.
I commend LightBr for recognizing the danger within. Main ting, be a survivor. Over the years I have had some hot dang sex with some hot damn girls. When it gets mundane, I might look for a bit of emotional connection. Following is a limited safe monger list:
1. Nani is safe, because she is always in control, and is on a level above all of us.
2. Kison or Pine Tree, MILFs and GILFs too old.
3. Chinese connection at Century Center, too fast to get attached, sometimes only 15 minutes.
5. Thai massage therapists, depends, they like marry white guys.
6. Most dangerous, Hoshi, she is so adorable and GFE, I like marry um.
If the discussion saved one bro, great. If you already know this, you monger too much!
If a guy really love her and she loves him too, it is romance.
But if a guy really love her but she want just "business meeting" and no more step, it is one sided love. And if a guy try to cross the line that she settle strongly, it is a stalking.
It is possible that a guy can just accept girl's job while keeping relationship or she may quit it to be with him.
But if she reject, let's leave her alone.
Simple.
Not only in AMP girl and guy relationship, but also in all human relationship.Let's say a provider that is clearly a provider, provides to client for no charge or reduced rates and overlooks the standard 1 hour rule. Even canceling set appts to spend time with client going as far as leaving property with him buying dinner for him as well. What would or should a client take this to mean?
Great list! I would say #3 is the most dangerous. The Chinese connection is full of lovely woman many only giving massage because they have to other choice for work. They are looking to be saved and want a husband and an anchor baby (not necessarily in that order).
These are the ones that I would say you have highest percentage of falling for you and you for them in a sincere way. When I first started I would give them my number or WeChat I'd. No more, nope, not happening.
I commend LightBr for recognizing the danger within. Main ting, be a survivor. Over the years I have had some hot dang sex with some hot damn girls. When it gets mundane, I might look for a bit of emotional connection. Following is a limited safe monger list:
1. Nani is safe, because she is always in control, and is on a level above all of us.
2. Kison or Pine Tree, MILFs and GILFs too old.
3. Chinese connection at Century Center, too fast to get attached, sometimes only 15 minutes.
5. Thai massage therapists, depends, they like marry white guys.
6. Most dangerous, Hoshi, she is so adorable and GFE, I like marry um.
If the discussion saved one bro, great. If you already know this, you monger too much!
Let's say a provider that is clearly a provider, provides to client for no charge or reduced rates and overlooks the standard 1 hour rule. Even canceling set appts to spend time with client going as far as leaving property with him buying dinner for him as well. What would or should a client take this to mean?I would say she is reeling you in for the kill. Got the hook in and now going to land the fish. LOL. Think about this. A top provider sees maybe upwards of 10 customers a day multiply that by 15--200 and tell me would she leave this job and money for your dinner. True there could be love but this is all about the money for them and a lot of mongers forget that while being caught up in their hour of love. Come on now. Would a provider look for her husband or bf at a MP? They are pros and what is a dinner date to snag a whale. I've been through is and I know a lot of others have made these mistakes. Thread lightly and always be wary that's my take on it.
I met this provider. Chinese connection (I think), young, cute, in fact, beautiful. She would rather do anything in the world than what she is doing. I spent time with her, crossed all the lines. Then she started to talk about a baby, she wants a baby. Sure an anchor baby is a great way to get to stay in the US. I do not want children nor do I want a wife. I can barely have a GF!
I'm not saying it's not real, but she wants something, you just have to figure out what it is and if you are willing to pay the price. For me, the price was too high. I'm just looking for some drama free fun, not a wife and baby! No more getting close, no more crossing the line, lesson learned!
Let's say a provider that is clearly a provider, provides to client for no charge or reduced rates and overlooks the standard 1 hour rule. Even canceling set appts to spend time with client going as far as leaving property with him buying dinner for him as well. What would or should a client take this to mean?
Lonely Smiles
07-29-17, 00:25
Let's say a provider that is clearly a provider, provides to client for no charge or reduced rates and overlooks the standard 1 hour rule. Even canceling set appts to spend time with client going as far as leaving property with him buying dinner for him as well. What would or should a client take this to mean?As others have said, tread lightly. Many guys have experienced similar perks when they become a preferred regular. But make no mistake, a majority of the time, if the money stops, so does the preferential treatment. It would boggle your mind how many guys have purchased expensive gifts for the prettiest girls. Laptops, jewelry, trips, you name it.
If you think of it in the context of any other business, it makes more sense. Premium service at a bank, premium service at a brokerage, premium service at a casino or hotel. Many businesses will treat favored clients well. Special dinners, client events, extra phone calls and meetings, golf, etc.
I'm sure there are rare occasions where a connection materializes into something more, but that's the exception, not the rule. Many guys on these forums have experienced what you are describing, especially some of the guys who have been at this hobby for years.
In the end, unless you are equipped to replace the income she is making as a working girl and somehow guarantee her independence, which many of these girls crave, then you are chasing a fantasy. That's a big "gotcha" with some of these women. Even if a guy has money, what if the object of his affection craves her own independence more than money? Checkmate.
In the same way that some guys don't want to end up ensnared in a relationship, some of the girls feel the same way while they are "working". Flirting is fun. Commitment, jealousy, heavy expectations, not so much.
Member #5810
07-29-17, 01:12
As others have said, tread lightly. Many guys have experienced similar perks when they become a preferred regular. But make no mistake, a majority of the time, if the money stops, so does the preferential treatment. It would boggle your mind how many guys have purchased expensive gifts for the prettiest girls. Laptops, jewelry, trips, you name it.
If you think of it in the context of any other business, it makes more sense. Premium service at a bank, premium service at a brokerage, premium service at a casino or hotel. Many businesses will treat favored clients well. Special dinners, client events, extra phone calls and meetings, golf, etc.
I'm sure there are rare occasions where a connection materializes into something more, but that's the exception, not the rule. Many guys on these forums have experienced what you are describing, especially some of the guys who have been at this hobby for years.
In the end, unless you are equipped to replace the income she is making as a working girl and somehow guarantee her independence, which many of these girls crave, then you are chasing a fantasy. That's a big "gotcha" with some of these women. Even if a guy has money, what if the object of his affection craves her own independence more than money? Checkmate.
In the same way that some guys don't want to end up ensnared in a relationship, some of the girls feel the same way while they are "working". Flirting is fun. Commitment, jealousy, heavy expectations, not so much.Very well said, especially the last paragraph. Everyone should read this to keep their feet grounded and to keep from going down the rabbit hole.
As others have said, tread lightly. Many guys have experienced similar perks when they become a preferred regular. But make no mistake, a majority of the time, if the money stops, so does the preferential treatment. It would boggle your mind how many guys have purchased expensive gifts for the prettiest girls. Laptops, jewelry, trips, you name it.
If you think of it in the context of any other business, it makes more sense. Premium service at a bank, premium service at a brokerage, premium service at a casino or hotel. Many businesses will treat favored clients well. Special dinners, client events, extra phone calls and meetings, golf, etc.
I'm sure there are rare occasions where a connection materializes into something more, but that's the exception, not the rule. Many guys on these forums have experienced what you are describing, especially some of the guys who have been at this hobby for years.
In the end, unless you are equipped to replace the income she is making as a working girl and somehow guarantee her independence, which many of these girls crave, then you are chasing a fantasy. That's a big "gotcha" with some of these women. Even if a guy has money, what if the object of his affection craves her own independence more than money? Checkmate.
In the same way that some guys don't want to end up ensnared in a relationship, some of the girls feel the same way while they are "working". Flirting is fun. Commitment, jealousy, heavy expectations, not so much.I agree with him. It's not unusual for a provider to things like this. I have myself in all honesty HOWEVER. There is ALWAYS a clear understanding of where we are that way no lines are crossed or unrealistic expectations. The key I believe to all of this is communication. It's oxygen to any and all types of relationship. It's not to say it won't keep you from getting hurt but it does giver a better understanding as to where the both of you stand. But never forget actions will always show the truth to what they're saying, even if they may not be flat out saying it. Just keep in mind when it comes to matters of the heart never make a decision with your little head and you should never have to pay for love.
Xoxoxo JD.
I agree with him. It's not unusual for a provider to things like this. I have myself in all honesty HOWEVER. There is ALWAYS a clear understanding of where we are that way no lines are crossed or unrealistic expectations. The key I believe to all of this is communication. It's oxygen to any and all types of relationship. It's not to say it won't keep you from getting hurt but it does giver a better understanding as to where the both of you stand. But never forget actions will always show the truth to what they're saying, even if they may not be flat out saying it. Just keep in mind when it comes to matters of the heart never make a decision with your little head and you should never have to pay for love.
Xoxoxo JD.Thought I would give another viewpoint into the discussion. This topic, a relationship between "provider" and customer. First, lets drop the term "provider", all these women are infact that, women. We need to separate business from personal. What our women do for business, does not mean they do not have personal attachments or feelings. I will say they job they do, is difficult, among the more difficult and dangerous. They inject actual or the aura of emotions into a physical engagement. At our request "GFE". They are extraction our primal physical actions and risking permanent harm "STD" at our insistence "BBBJ / FS" and doing so on a regular basis. Truly the "Deadly Catch". They do this for monetary reimbursement, and in the majority of cases, if we are going to be honest, we would not be their choice and would have no chance of a relationship with them. We pay them to deliver a illusion. They so this and then their entire business performance is scrutinized by one's personal viewpoint here. And lets remember that, our personal experience of their business performance. A very hard job that I doubt few of us could engage in. Our lovely women also have a personal side, and to think it is not possible for that to surface to a particular customer is indeed flapdoodle. DO relationships occur at the workplace, do married couples have affairs, Doctor and patient, lawyer and client. You do not have to be sagacious to see the pattern. That established, as in any walk of life and the fact we are imperfect humans, there are mendacious parties here also. I can understand why this profession can cause someone to become a harridan. And we can be equally nefarious. But through the meretricious arrangements, it is hebetude to believe two humans can not develop a pellucid relationship. If the boundries of the relationship are the 4 walls of the business. Ie AMP, or soley tied to the exchange of gifts, then one should examine the basis and outcome, If non business activities and incorporated, the path may be full of raillery and romance. You both must be able to separate business from personal. Bottom line, don't be a misanthrope.
Thought I would give another viewpoint into the discussion. This topic, a relationship between "provider" and customer. First, lets drop the term "provider", all these women are infact that, women. We need to separate business from personal. What our women do for business, does not mean they do not have personal attachments or feelings. I will say they job they do, is difficult, among the more difficult and dangerous. They inject actual or the aura of emotions into a physical engagement. At our request "GFE". They are extraction our primal physical actions and risking permanent harm "STD" at our insistence "BBBJ / FS" and doing so on a regular basis. Truly the "Deadly Catch". They do this for monetary reimbursement, and in the majority of cases, if we are going to be honest, we would not be their choice and would have no chance of a relationship with them. We pay them to deliver a illusion. They so this and then their entire business performance is scrutinized by one's personal viewpoint here. And lets remember that, our personal experience of their business performance. A very hard job that I doubt few of us could engage in. Our lovely women also have a personal side, and to think it is not possible for that to surface to a particular customer is indeed flapdoodle. DO relationships occur at the workplace, do married couples have affairs, Doctor and patient, lawyer and client. You do not have to be sagacious to see the pattern. That established, as in any walk of life and the fact we are imperfect humans, there are mendacious parties here also. I can understand why this profession can cause someone to become a harridan. And we can be equally nefarious. But through the meretricious arrangements, it is hebetude to believe two humans can not develop a pellucid relationship. If the boundries of the relationship are the 4 walls of the business. Ie AMP, or soley tied to the exchange of gifts, then one should examine the basis and outcome, If non business activities and incorporated, the path may be full of raillery and romance. You both must be able to separate business from personal. Bottom line, don't be a misanthrope.I gave up on reading your contribution. It's not what I would benefit from, especially when the vocabulary would require me to hit the dictionary to under each sentence. A total waste of time and space. Did you impress me? No.
Thought I would give another viewpoint into the discussion. This topic, a relationship between "provider" and customer. First, lets drop the term "provider", all these women are infact that, women. We need to separate business from personal. What our women do for business, does not mean they do not have personal attachments or feelings. I will say they job they do, is difficult, among the more difficult and dangerous. They inject actual or the aura of emotions into a physical engagement. At our request "GFE". They are extraction our primal physical actions and risking permanent harm "STD" at our insistence "BBBJ / FS" and doing so on a regular basis. Truly the "Deadly Catch". They do this for monetary reimbursement, and in the majority of cases, if we are going to be honest, we would not be their choice and would have no chance of a relationship with them. We pay them to deliver a illusion. They so this and then their entire business performance is scrutinized by one's personal viewpoint here. And lets remember that, our personal experience of their business performance. A very hard job that I doubt few of us could engage in. Our lovely women also have a personal side, and to think it is not possible for that to surface to a particular customer is indeed flapdoodle. DO relationships occur at the workplace, do married couples have affairs, Doctor and patient, lawyer and client. You do not have to be sagacious to see the pattern. That established, as in any walk of life and the fact we are imperfect humans, there are mendacious parties here also. I can understand why this profession can cause someone to become a harridan. And we can be equally nefarious. But through the meretricious arrangements, it is hebetude to believe two humans can not develop a pellucid relationship. If the boundries of the relationship are the 4 walls of the business. Ie AMP, or soley tied to the exchange of gifts, then one should examine the basis and outcome, If non business activities and incorporated, the path may be full of raillery and romance. You both must be able to separate business from personal. Bottom line, don't be a misanthrope.LOL! You're joking right?
Viet Whisperer
07-30-17, 00:03
I gave up on reading your contribution. It's not what I would benefit from, especially when the vocabulary would require me to hit the dictionary to under each sentence. A total waste of time and space. Did you impress me? No.With a vocabulary like that you should be hanging out at a hipster bar reciting poetry and fighting off the pussy! Are you an alien time traveler as the word hebetude was used commonly around late 1890's according to the Google result?
Light Bringer
07-30-17, 00:09
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game".
In your defense, I will assume that you do not mean that it is impossible for things to work out between a client and a provider. With a bit of dumb luck, anything can happen. People find their match in all kinds of situations, and there is no reason why this can't be one of them. I think what you are trying to say is that it is foolish to go into the situation with the hope of anything more than what is exchanged in the standard transaction. You are right that it is foolish. But the fool has a secret wisdom.
The rules of the game are designed to reduce and simplify the experience into something that can be bought and sold. The working girls have defense mechanisms to avoid entanglements and keeps things safe. It's like an amusement park ride. Buckle your safety belts. Keep your arms and legs inside the car at all times. Sit back and enjoy the spectacle. The moment you break the rules, you risk injury. Why unbuckle your safety belt?
Hard to explain. For me, I was initially there for the ride, but I ended up being more interested in the machinery that made it all work. Every provider is unique in her own way, but some I found to be exceptionally intelligent, perceptive, and beautifully complex, and in ways that I would not otherwise come across in everyday life. Sometimes you look behind the facade, and there isn't much there. Other times, you look beyond the surface, and what you see behind the scenes is even more impressive than the outward spectacle that was produced for your entertainment. If you have an eye for it, if you look close enough, you can see it. Yes, it is foolish to step over the guard rail, but the overwhelming majority of those who find something beautiful that is hidden to others make the discovery while breaking one rule or another.
A few times I brought more to the table than just $150 and an erection. What I got in return was more than I could handle. But it was all worth it.
LOL if you actually believe this. There is NOTHING extraordinary about this hobby or the people involved. You are not going to find Julia Roberts. You are not Richard Gere. You are a john. They are hookers. The sooner you accept this, the happier and satisfied you will be.
I don't get why this is so hard to accept. If you want a GF to love you and make you feel special and like the one. GO GET A FREAKING GIRLFRIEND. This island is crawling with girls of all kinds. Tall, short, fat, skinny, white, brown, yellow, mixed, young, old, etc. Why in god's name would you want to find a GF at a brothel?
You go to an AMP to get a release, to fulfill a fantasy, to have sex with a girl that is way hotter than you.
With a vocabulary like that you should be hanging out at a hipster bar reciting poetry and fighting off the pussy! Are you an alien time traveler as the word hebetude was used commonly around late 1890's according to the Google result?Last place you would ever catch me would be a hipster bar, Nor would I consider. Ever. Reciting poetry. I am however a Dennis Miller fan and have always had a decent vocabulary. I never have considered having a increased vocabulary a bad thing.
With a vocabulary like that you should be hanging out at a hipster bar reciting poetry and fighting off the pussy! Are you an alien time traveler as the word hebetude was used commonly around late 1890's according to the Google result?Thesaurus is what I was thinking too; as in, it's not good to write using a thesaurus to employ unnecessarily esoteric words without having the writing skills to back it up. That post is fraught with grammatical, structural and usage errors in virtually every sentence, and would have been far more effective merely by using clear everyday language, IMHO.
Someone posted that it doesn't matter how guys write because this is not English class, and I agree, but when you bust out words like that to sound intelligent then yes I think it does matter.
Last place you would ever catch me would be a hipster bar, Nor would I consider. Ever. Reciting poetry. I am however a Dennis Miller fan and have always had a decent vocabulary. I never have considered having a increased vocabulary a bad thing.Aloha babes. Thank you I believe is in order. Idk but I going take a shot in the dark and assume you was agreeing with me but I see where you coming from yes. We must be able to compartmentalize without over compromising. IMHO the more you compromise the more you settle for less. No one deserves to have less then the best if that's what they're giving. Communication =oxygen it's that simple to me. Without it there is no understanding.
Xoxoxo JD.
Thanks for introducing a few new words to me. I think 99% of us learned a new word or two. I hope you are able to impress the ladies with your huge vocabulary. Then again, a lot of them in Hawaii can barely speak English so it wouldn't mean squat to them and they'd just sheepishly smile. Advice to impress the ladies:
1. Tip generously.
2. Good hygiene.
3. Cum fast.
4. Be gentle and polite.
5. Visit often.
6. Intro new customers.
7. Tip generously.
Thesaurus is what I was thinking too; as in, it's not good to write using a thesaurus to employ unnecessarily esoteric words without having the writing skills to back it up. That post is fraught with grammatical, structural and usage errors in virtually every sentence, and would have been far more effective merely by using clear everyday language, IMHO.
Someone posted that it doesn't matter how guys write because this is not English class, and I agree, but when you bust out words like that to sound intelligent then yes I think it does matter.
BeastieBoyz
07-30-17, 18:07
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game".
In your defense, I will assume that you do not mean that it is impossible for things to work out between a client and a provider. With a bit of dumb luck, anything can happen. People find their match in all kinds of situations, and there is no reason why this can't be one of them. I think what you are trying to say is that it is foolish to go into the situation with the hope of anything more than what is exchanged in the standard transaction. You are right that it is foolish. But the fool has a secret wisdom.
The rules of the game are designed to reduce and simplify the experience into something that can be bought and sold. The working girls have defense mechanisms to avoid entanglements and keeps things safe. It's like an amusement park ride. Buckle your safety belts. Keep your arms and legs inside the car at all times. Sit back and enjoy the spectacle. The moment you break the rules, you risk injury. Why unbuckle your safety belt?
Hard to explain. For me, I was initially there for the ride, but I ended up being more interested in the machinery that made it all work. Every provider is unique in her own way, but some I found to be exceptionally intelligent, perceptive, and beautifully complex, and in ways that I would not otherwise come across in everyday life. Sometimes you look behind the facade, and there isn't much there. Other times, you look beyond the surface, and what you see behind the scenes is even more impressive than the outward spectacle that was produced for your entertainment. If you have an eye for it, if you look close enough, you can see it. Yes, it is foolish to step over the guard rail, but the overwhelming majority of those who find something beautiful that is hidden to others make the discovery while breaking one rule or another.
A few times I brought more to the table than just $150 and an erection. What I got in return was more than I could handle. But it was all worth it.Maybe a very appropriate song reference?
"Just as every cop is a criminal.
And all the sinners saints."
What kind of trail of breadcrumbs are you leaving dude?
Thanks for introducing a few new words to me. I think 99% of us learned a new word or two. I hope you are able to impress the ladies with your huge vocabulary. Then again, a lot of them in Hawaii can barely speak English so it wouldn't mean squat to them and they'd just sheepishly smile. Advice to impress the ladies:
1. Tip generously.
2. Good hygiene.
3. Cum fast.
4. Be gentle and polite.
5. Visit often.
6. Intro new customers.
7. Tip generously.Haha. Don't forget #8. Cum fast and #9 Overtip.
Thanks for introducing a few new words to me. I think 99% of us learned a new word or two. I hope you are able to impress the ladies with your huge vocabulary. Then again, a lot of them in Hawaii can barely speak English so it wouldn't mean squat to them and they'd just sheepishly smile. Advice to impress the ladies:
1. Tip generously.
2. Good hygiene.
3. Cum fast.
4. Be gentle and polite.
5. Visit often.
6. Intro new customers.
7. Tip generously.I would add bring food. It is a nice treat if you remember what she enjoys. Nothing like eating cream puffs off her body.
Haha. Don't forget #8. Cum fast and #9 Overtip.No. 10 : leave as quickly as possible. Haha.
Thesaurus is what I was thinking too; as in, it's not good to write using a thesaurus to employ unnecessarily esoteric words without having the writing skills to back it up.Good point, but I did especially like his word "flapdoodle". It's one of those funny sounding words that can bring a smile to people's faces, even if used erroneously.
Provider: "No, I'm not going to lick your flapdoodle even if it is your birthday!"
Policeman: "Judge, we caught this pervert whacking his flapdoodle in a public toilet".
PeanutGallery: "After he began flapdoodling in his pants, Red knew it was time for a nursing home".
BeastieBoyz
07-31-17, 21:07
Do you guys ever tip or give gifts to the mamasan? Is it worth it?
No. 10 : leave as quickly as possible. Haha.
Member #5810
08-01-17, 22:05
Do you guys ever tip or give gifts to the mamasan? Is it worth it?I do when I run overtime. Helps to be on their good side. Just saying IMHO.
Light Bringer
08-01-17, 23:33
I haven't been very active the past couple months, but in my first six months wandering around the AMP scene, I got the question "are you a cop?" a lot. I'd say about a third of the girls asked me if I was a cop. One even asked during the second visit. ? I'd say about a third of the girls I've seen asked me if I was a cop, and about another third asked a question that was some form of "what are you doing here?" And then the last third didn't care one way or another.
I can't imagine that it is a serious question, because if I were a cop, it's not like I would say "well now that you ask, yes I am, but please carry on". So is this just a standard thing that many girls throw out there when they get new customers? Like a playful icebreaker? Or is there something I am doing that is making them wary of me? I never ask them about price or to do anything specific. I put the tip on the table in plain view beforehand. IDK. Maybe I look nervous?
I haven't been very active the past couple months, but in my first six months wandering around the AMP scene, I got the question "are you a cop?" a lot. I'd say about a third of the girls asked me if I was a cop. One even asked during the second visit. ? I'd say about a third of the girls I've seen asked me if I was a cop, and about another third asked a question that was some form of "what are you doing here?" And then the last third didn't care one way or another.
I can't imagine that it is a serious question, because if I were a cop, it's not like I would say "well now that you ask, yes I am, but please carry on". So is this just a standard thing that many girls throw out there when they get new customers? Like a playful icebreaker? Or is there something I am doing that is making them wary of me? I never ask them about price or to do anything specific. I put the tip on the table in plain view beforehand. IDK. Maybe I look nervous?Might want to stop placing "the tip on the table in plain view beforehand," and see if that reduces the percentage of "are you a cop?" questions.
By any chance do you have a mustache? You know that thin cop mustache? Either that or your haircut or just how you carry yourself. I've never been asked.
I haven't been very active the past couple months, but in my first six months wandering around the AMP scene, I got the question "are you a cop?" a lot. I'd say about a third of the girls asked me if I was a cop. One even asked during the second visit. ? I'd say about a third of the girls I've seen asked me if I was a cop, and about another third asked a question that was some form of "what are you doing here?" And then the last third didn't care one way or another.
I can't imagine that it is a serious question, because if I were a cop, it's not like I would say "well now that you ask, yes I am, but please carry on". So is this just a standard thing that many girls throw out there when they get new customers? Like a playful icebreaker? Or is there something I am doing that is making them wary of me? I never ask them about price or to do anything specific. I put the tip on the table in plain view beforehand. IDK. Maybe I look nervous?
Light Bringer
08-02-17, 19:32
Yes I have a mustache but a big bushy one with the ends waxed and curled upwards. Just kidding LOL thin cop mustache. With aviator glasses?
I wonder what it is about the way I carry myself. Maybe I'm a bit stiff. Or it could be the boots. Or a vague resemblance to Erik Estrada.
I put the money in plain view with the amount visible so that there does not need to be any incriminating discussion about price or services expected.
By any chance do you have a mustache? You know that thin cop mustache? Either that or your haircut or just how you carry yourself. I've never been asked.
As Red said don't pay until after service. I don't know who told you or why you think putting the money in plain view before service good, but it's not. Don't do anything other than giving 60 to mama. After service leave money on the bed and walk out without handing it to the provider or making reference to it. Don't even loom at it, she'll pick it up on her own.
Ones I know I hand them the money but first time providers I leave it behind.
Yes I have a mustache but a big bushy one with the ends waxed and curled upwards. Just kidding LOL thin cop mustache. With aviator glasses?
I wonder what it is about the way I carry myself. Maybe I'm a bit stiff. Or it could be the boots. Or a vague resemblance to Erik Estrada.
I put the money in plain view with the amount visible so that there does not need to be any incriminating discussion about price or services expected.
Might want to stop placing "the tip on the table in plain view beforehand," and see if that reduces the percentage of "are you a cop?" questions.Good point. In an AMP, usually you just get to it with the girl and pay the 150 at the end.
Many believe it is classier to put the money on the nightstand rather than hand it to the girl, but in my experience it never mattered and most times the girl stuck her hand out anyway.
I got the question "are you a cop?" a lot.Ha. You should have seen back in the day with the car I used to drive. If I had a dollar for every time I got that question, I'd be treating you to an AMP sesh.
Yes I have a mustache but a big bushy one with the ends waxed and curled upwards. Just kidding LOL thin cop mustache. With aviator glasses?
I wonder what it is about the way I carry myself. Maybe I'm a bit stiff. Or it could be the boots. Or a vague resemblance to Erik Estrada.
I put the money in plain view with the amount visible so that there does not need to be any incriminating discussion about price or services expected."Guns don't kill people. ".
"People with mustaches kill people. ".
Saw that on a t-shirt last week and it made me LOL.
Just after 2 am when bar closed.
I saw one car was pulled by one police car.
Then usual thing happened. Cop asked him and the driver seemed to be obedient. He satyed in his car.
After a few minutes. I am not joking.
4 or more police car came to that spot and almost ten cops came.
I guessed something serious. Like drug dealer or serious criminal.
May I see scene from movie?
But cop just told something (I couldn't hear at all cause I was too far) then the car left then cops left too.
It was not AMP bust cause the driver was not from AMP.
BTW what made so many cops come to that spot?? It just looked like peaceful scene.
It's HPD, pretty standard to have ten or more cops show up for a routine traffic stop. Either Honolulu has relatively low crime or we have too many cops with nothing to do.
When I was an MP, I was stationed at 29 Plams, nothing ever happened so we'd do the same thing. A traffic stop would get called in and everyone would respond. LOL! Nothing else to do at 2 am!
Just after 2 am when bar closed.
I saw one car was pulled by one police car.
Then usual thing happened. Cop asked him and the driver seemed to be obedient. He satyed in his car.
After a few minutes. I am not joking.
4 or more police car came to that spot and almost ten cops came.
I guessed something serious. Like drug dealer or serious criminal.
May I see scene from movie?
But cop just told something (I couldn't hear at all cause I was too far) then the car left then cops left too.
It was not AMP bust cause the driver was not from AMP.
BTW what made so many cops come to that spot?? It just looked like peaceful scene.
Bulgogi Boy
08-03-17, 14:29
I'm wondering why this post is in this thread. This thread used to be entertaining (and useful.).
Just after 2 am when bar closed.
I saw one car was pulled by one police car.
Then usual thing happened. Cop asked him and the driver seemed to be obedient. He satyed in his car.
After a few minutes. I am not joking.
4 or more police car came to that spot and almost ten cops came.
I guessed something serious. Like drug dealer or serious criminal.
May I see scene from movie?
But cop just told something (I couldn't hear at all cause I was too far) then the car left then cops left too.
It was not AMP bust cause the driver was not from AMP.
BTW what made so many cops come to that spot?? It just looked like peaceful scene.
WTF dreams knock is at 45 minutes. If you were to do multiple hours look at the time lost. I know nobody advertises any session as an hour but we all assume it is. Smart business for them but sucks for us. Just saying.
The knock does not mean leave now, it just means you might want yo hurry if you're not already finished. By the time the knock comes I'm either done or just about done. I might lay a bit and chat for another ten minutes and then shower.
Last time I was there the knock came at 45 and Kana said just means 15 minutes left you don't have to leave.
WTF dreams knock is at 45 minutes. If you were to do multiple hours look at the time lost. I know nobody advertises any session as an hour but we all assume it is. Smart business for them but sucks for us. Just saying.
WTF dreams knock is at 45 minutes. If you were to do multiple hours look at the time lost. I know nobody advertises any session as an hour but we all assume it is. Smart business for them but sucks for us. Just saying.Whether you wait for the girl at the start or finish 45 minutes after, the usual amount of total time with the girls is about 45 minutes. Usually that's just the first knock and you have a few minutes to finish and get dressed or whatever. They also need to freshen up between sessions. They not robots where you can just hose them down.
When I was an MP, I was stationed at 29 Plams, nothing ever happened so we'd do the same thing. A traffic stop would get called in and everyone would respond. LOL! Nothing else to do at 2 am!LOL 29 Palms. I went there for MOS school in '96. I drank so much at Club Tremors one time and I woke up in the middle of the night and puked on the floor from the top of my bunk bed.
Later on in Okinawa, I saw an MP in Charlies come down to our field op and walk in the mud to arrest one of our Marines. Kinda felt sorry for the MP because his uniform got messed up. He had a nice Ford Explorer though.
WTF dreams knock is at 45 minutes. If you were to do multiple hours look at the time lost. I know nobody advertises any session as an hour but we all assume it is. Smart business for them but sucks for us. Just saying.Winnah that's just the heads up knock. They good you they no chase you out. That's just mama letting you know. Now if the provider kicked you out that's another story. Mama not going do that. Just ask the girls when you with them. Vivian, kana, Kylie they all good so I no see anyone shorting you time unless you was a prick to them but I no think so you is. So next time just tell mama rajah mama almost pau. LOL.
Who is the smartest, sharpest, most intelligent provider on the AMP scene? Indy or AMP. No I'm not looking for someone to play chess with. But I am bored. There is no real cure for boredom. The sex is interesting but after awhile just the same thing over and over again. But at least it is much more interesting to me when I can see something behind a person's eyes. Even a 5 minute conversation before or after is enough to put everything in a whole new light. I am on a mission. I will keep looking until I find it.Get a dog. Newbie. LOL.
Who is the smartest, sharpest, most intelligent provider on the AMP scene? Indy or AMP. No I'm not looking for someone to play chess with. But I am bored. There is no real cure for boredom. The sex is interesting but after awhile just the same thing over and over again. But at least it is much more interesting to me when I can see something behind a person's eyes. Even a 5 minute conversation before or after is enough to put everything in a whole new light. I am on a mission. I will keep looking until I find it.So, you want a girlfriend. Or like Rico said, a dog.
Look, people want what people want, but I do this because I don't have to deal with emotional attachments or wondering about compatibility. In some cases I'm not even interested in a conversation. I have something the woman wants (dead presidents), she has something I want (pretty face, nice boobs) and our transactional relationship and mutual understanding begins from there.
You're losing sight of the game. As the saying goes, you're paying them to leave, not stay. And if you are paying them to stay, you're gonna be played. You might has well hit a dating site.
LB. I think you are thinking too much about it. AMP is not a place to find a relationship. Girls mainly see you as a source of revenue or a source for something else. Tread lightly my friend.
So, you want a girlfriend. Or like Rico said, a dog.
Look, people want what people want, but I do this because I don't have to deal with emotional attachments or wondering about compatibility. In some cases I'm not even interested in a conversation. I have something the woman wants (dead presidents), she has something I want (pretty face, nice boobs) and our transactional relationship and mutual understanding begins from there.
You're losing sight of the game. As the saying goes, you're paying them to leave, not stay. And if you are paying them to stay, you're gonna be played. You might has well hit a dating site.
Light Bringer
08-06-17, 18:19
As you said, people want what they want. Some people just want a big mac and fries. Others have a taste for fugu. I am not interested in glorified masturbation. I have been down that route and spent a fair amount of money on one-way wanker sessions. Maybe you are looking for nothing more than a warm hole to stick your buto in. You are fortunate. You have many options. I am not so easily satisfied. You pay them to be a piece of meat. I pay for their expertise at fantasy and revelations. Doesn't mean I am interested in crossing boundaries. Far from it. I've learned the hard way to play within the boundaries of a fixed transaction. But I'm not going to dumb down my tastes, and I'm willing to pay a higher price for a more sophisticated performance.
I'll get a dog when you get an blow up doll. I guess this one is going to end up in the fight thread.
So, you want a girlfriend. Or like Rico said, a dog.
Look, people want what people want, but I do this because I don't have to deal with emotional attachments or wondering about compatibility. In some cases I'm not even interested in a conversation. I have something the woman wants (dead presidents), she has something I want (pretty face, nice boobs) and our transactional relationship and mutual understanding begins from there.
You're losing sight of the game. As the saying goes, you're paying them to leave, not stay. And if you are paying them to stay, you're gonna be played. You might has well hit a dating site.
Light Bringer
08-06-17, 18:42
Thank you for the reminder EH. I understand the wisdom of simplicity. But when I think about the best experience I've had at an AMP vs the average experience, the difference for me can be traced back to the mental sophistication of the woman. Yes I am a source of revenue, and they are a source of stimulation. But there is still a lot that you can do within those boundaries, even more so when you finally understand the limits.
You would think that a person might not want to get back on a motorcycle after wiping out at high speed. But that would be a waste of the learning experience if now he knows the limits of his own skill.
LB. I think you are thinking too much about it. AMP is not a place to find a relationship. Girls mainly see you as a source of revenue or a source for something else. Tread lightly my friend.
SureYourRight
08-06-17, 20:15
Who is the smartest, sharpest, most intelligent provider on the AMP scene? Indy or AMP. No I'm not looking for someone to play chess with. But I am bored. There is no real cure for boredom. The sex is interesting but after awhile just the same thing over and over again. But at least it is much more interesting to me when I can see something behind a person's eyes. Even a 5 minute conversation before or after is enough to put everything in a whole new light. I am on a mission. I will keep looking until I find it.If you are looking for a well-rounded woman that will seduce you with her mind as well as her body then the AMP scene is not for you. You'll probably want to look into the high end escort section and see what girls are touring or coming to Hawaii right now. I think I understand the experience you are looking for and it's definitely not going to be found in the AMP scene. Guys go into the AMP to have a break, not to be enthralled.
Light Bringer
08-06-17, 22:46
Yeah, SureYourRight you're probably right. I've never dipped into the high end escort scene. That seems like a big city New York / L. A. / Vegas things with Hawaii only being a side trip for them, so it would be hard to make it a regular thing. I do think that there are a few on the AMP scene who could be high end escorts if they wanted to, but for whatever reason stay at an AMP. Probably because the contained environment just makes everything easier.
If you are looking for a well-rounded woman that will seduce you with her mind as well as her body then the AMP scene is not for you. You'll probably want to look into the high end escort section and see what girls are touring or coming to Hawaii right now. I think I understand the experience you are looking for and it's definitely not going to be found in the AMP scene. Guys go into the AMP to have a break, not to be enthralled.
If you are looking for a well-rounded woman that will seduce you with her mind as well as her body then the AMP scene is not for you. You'll probably want to look into the high end escort section and see what girls are touring or coming to Hawaii right now. I think I understand the experience you are looking for and it's definitely not going to be found in the AMP scene. Guys go into the AMP to have a break, not to be enthralled.I actually agree with you and understand your perspective. Twat can come easily with the right amount or time and cheddar. But I'd like to pick some brains too so that I'm learning as I go. Just my personal opinion at this stage in my life.
I'll get a dog when you get an blow up doll. I guess this one is going to end up in the fight thread.I really don't give a shit about what you think I should do, or what you'll do. I'm just telling you what I wish someone told me 20 years ago when I went down this road.
And I really don't care what you do with my advice. I'm old enough to know everyone thinks they're going to be "that guy", and everyone learns the hard (and in this case, expensive) way.
But hey, it's your money and those girls are more than willing to take it. This is a game to them. You can be a player or you can be played.
But hey, it's your money and those girls are more than willing to take it. This is a game to them. You can be a player or you can be played.Absolutely agree. Bump.
When I posted my candid opinion of an aged provider I was quickly attacked for my age discrimination problem.
"Everyone has different tastes, no reason to bash on the girl if not your type. Imagine what would be said if they posted reviews on."
Perhaps if I were a sir Lancelot or other paladin type who would throw his cape across the mud puddle to let the princess cross, I'd need a safe space to write a poem in to express my hurt feelings, but I'm just a simple fellow who desires to have Uncomplicated sex with Attractive providers to satiate my savage lust for a bit until it bubbles over again.
While I agree that it's not very gentlemanly or chivalrous to "bash" a provider, if I'm expected to be handing over what's significantly more than my own wage / hour to some lovely hostess in a brothel, she ought to be approaching a minimum standard of looks, service, and attitude. If the tables were turned as was suggested by the defender of the reputation of the provider, I'd either be looking for other work, or likely starving, but I'm not being paid for my uncomplicated sexual availablity, services, looks or attitude, so if I want to be an unchivalrous ass, then I suppose that's aok.
Perhaps if I suddenly develop a great deal of empathy for the people who are voluntarily chooosing to be paid (reasonably) for a service that required little effort for them to qualify for, I might cry myself to sleep or be mad at other mongers who post unflattering info about my ATF of the moment but until then. I'll probably just keep looking for the good ones, tossing the chaff by the wayside, sleeping, eating and pooping like the quasi unconscious caveman that I am.
-W.
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