Rants and Stupid shit in Dayton

[Member #5554]

As I'm sure most are aware by now, Jenna CL is gone per this post this morning on the Dayton board:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?11513-USA-Adult-Classified-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3205946&viewfull=1#post3205946

I posted this on the Cincinnati "Octagon" thread this morning based on my Jenna CL reaction:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9626-Rants-Raves-and-Opinions-AKA-quot-The-Octagon-quot&p=3206156&viewfull=1#post3206156

Much of what you're reading here is from the above Octagon post. But the end is different. The end of this post is about a service I'm willing to do on this board for a few days to help US.

Though I've never encountered Jenna I'm still moved by her passing. She's as much a victim as Dayton's CL panty girl (Becca?) and the myriad of using SP's that have flashed before our collective eyes and continue to flame-out at a frequency that appears to be weekly (sometimes daily).

More startling is this: many of us know using SPs right fucking now. Many of us continue to see SPs absolutely knowing they're not only supporting an H habit, many know that SP is managing her addiction either at that moment or she's about to head to her local dope boy soon after she's done with you, her money source. In my decades in the hobby and as is the case with so many veteran seniors on this board, we've never seen this death-related hobby phenomenon before: SPs dropping dead resulting from their reason for being in the hobby: H cash generation.

It's no longer to support kids, school, debt from a deadbeat husband, bad decisions, pimp, abusive leech boyfriend, whatever. It's now primarily about H habit support. And it's happened so suddenly in comparison to my years in the hobby. It's not only killing them, our hobby lives are significantly more dangerous as a result. And it's not local to Southwestern ohio. It's everywhere in this nation.

In the past, the worst SPs were doing was smoking crack, snorting meth, of simply toking a doobie (showing my age). But they weren't dying. And now they are. And why are they dying even more now? Because they're believing their dope boys now who are promising them "oh no, I'm keeping a close eye on my H and I promise you it doesn't have any trace of Fentanyl or any other impurities for sure!" Seriously, these users are being told by their suppliers their supplies are clean. And it's killing them. The suppliers need to suffer and they don't. They just find new users.

So what do we hobbyists do?

Here's what I'm going to do. I'm no longer going to engage the H addicts. But what I won't do is post their names here. Board rules are board rules and without this board more hobbyists might also be hurt.

I'm never going to say I "know" an SP is using unless the SP herself has told me (and they do). They do because I simply ask and they sing canary music. They sing because they want empathy and I give it to them as soon as I sense their using because it absolutely helps me properly assess my surroundings while at the same time giving them the opportunity to better focus in our particular moment at the time. Maybe you'd call it a technique. I call it a hobby survival tool. I believe the more you know about an SP when you're in the moment the safer you are when it comes to judging whether or not to stay or go in any situation. So I not only ask. I make sure I know to the best of my ability.

So in my post earlier today on the Cincinnati Octagon thread I publicly asked Jackson AND A2 about the rules related to posting SP names who use. Their answer surprised me but the answer is essentially "Yes. " And it makes sense because this board is to protect us.

As mentioned on my Octagon thread, I'm not trying to start a witch hunt. Instead, I'm trying to keep my board brethren safe and alive and no longer be a contributor to a known H user's problem. Why now? Actually a selfish reason: Aside from no longer wanting to support an SP's H habit, it's now really about my own personal safety.

Interestingly, I've already received PM's from hobbyists with SP names. So, I've decided not to post my own personal observations right now. Instead, as a service to my fellow Dayton area mongers I will post provider names as supplied by you guys via PM. But I won't name your names. That way, the Admins on this site will be able to confirm all I'm doing is relaying received reports from the team via PM.

So, you know a provider who's using but you don't want to report it? PM me and I'll do it for you but I won't report your name. This is not to hurt the SP's (though I know it might do just that). It's to help protect our team.

Harry.Yes, I agree, something needs to be done by us because our money helps fuel the habit. It could be said that if they didn't get money from us, they would turn to robbery or some other activity to get money, but the safest for them is to get it from us. The pimps and drug dealers have a lot of responsibility (as if they care), but should we be tangling with them? There have already been reports of pimps or handlers threatening those of us that complain about being ripped off by cash & dash operations. This a bad situation. I think we have to avoid those that we have a reasonable belief to be users. Weight loss, is one indicator, tracks up the non-dominant arm or leg is another, weird activity, strange speech, etc. What are these girls going to do if we shun them, complain to the better business bureau, call the police, etc. ? I think the moderators could create another category similar to rip-off reports, such as drug suspect report, but the idea of getting PM's to warn us would be good if it is workable. The old monger medium "Big Doggie" (how long has it been) was created by an escort to protect escorts, but what is needed now is protection of the mongers and the escorts (and I would personally like an end to smokers as well).

[Goodson2000]

I move this discussion to here.


Good morning Brothers. I have been reading all the comments about Jenna and the rest of the ladies we have lost this year. I had heard that she was very ill and not doing well. It saddens me that another gem is gone but what really saddens me is about the debate on how she died of this or that. I had never seen one bad post about her but now that she is gone a few negative reports are coming out which should have been reported way back when. At this point Brothers another breath of life is gone to get there wings. Brothers let it be. Let her RIP.

Be safe.

Vinny.I first apologize to Vinny and everyone else who may concern. I'm the guiltiest party opening the gate. I was pondering quite a bit before I posted my comment against the clarification post. I decided to post because the "clarification" didn't clarify but rather raised more questions among the community.

It didn't work because it was the mixture of white knighting and the fact. I don't mind someone's white knighting. I want to do it too sometimes. I rarely do but I understand the sentiment. But because he decided to put the false statement in his clarification (which we can easily spot), the credibility of his entire post was very much compromised. If he candy coated her addiction like that, what was the truth of other part of his comment? Many of fellow seniors has been scrambling behind the scene.

If he wanted to clarify, be true. If he wanted to be the knight in shining armer for late princess, be it, don't pretend he is telling the truth. Better, say nothing.

I had a problem with his comment, not with Jenna. No more suffering. Fly high Angel.

[Cyberal1979]

I agree with your position on this subject Harry and will report responsibly. Protecting the forum is essential.


As I'm sure most are aware by now, Jenna CL is gone per this post this morning on the Dayton board:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?11513-USA-Adult-Classified-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3205946&viewfull=1#post3205946


I posted this on the Cincinnati "Octagon" thread this morning based on my Jenna CL reaction:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9626-Rants-Raves-and-Opinions-AKA-quot-The-Octagon-quot&p=3206156&viewfull=1#post3206156

Much of what you're reading here is from the above Octagon post. But the end is different. The end of this post is about a service I'm willing to do on this board for a few days to help US.

Though I've never encountered Jenna I'm still moved by her passing. She's as much a victim as Dayton's CL panty girl (Becca?) and the myriad of using SP's that have flashed before our collective eyes and continue to flame-out at a frequency that appears to be weekly (sometimes daily).

More startling is this: many of us know using SPs right fucking now. Many of us continue to see SPs absolutely knowing they're not only supporting an H habit, many know that SP is managing her addiction either at that moment or she's about to head to her local dope boy soon after she's done with you, her money source. In my decades in the hobby and as is the case with so many veteran seniors on this board, we've never seen this death-related hobby phenomenon before: SPs dropping dead resulting from their reason for being in the hobby: H cash generation.

It's no longer to support kids, school, debt from a deadbeat husband, bad decisions, pimp, abusive leech boyfriend, whatever. It's now primarily about H habit support. And it's happened so suddenly in comparison to my years in the hobby. It's not only killing them, our hobby lives are significantly more dangerous as a result. And it's not local to Southwestern ohio. It's everywhere in this nation.

In the past, the worst SPs were doing was smoking crack, snorting meth, of simply toking a doobie (showing my age). But they weren't dying. And now they are. And why are they dying even more now? Because they're believing their dope boys now who are promising them "oh no, I'm keeping a close eye on my H and I promise you it doesn't have any trace of Fentanyl or any other impurities for sure!" Seriously, these users are being told by their suppliers their supplies are clean. And it's killing them. The suppliers need to suffer and they don't. They just find new users.

So what do we hobbyists do?

Here's what I'm going to do. I'm no longer going to engage the H addicts. But what I won't do is post their names here. Board rules are board rules and without this board more hobbyists might also be hurt.

I'm never going to say I "know" an SP is using unless the SP herself has told me (and they do). They do because I simply ask and they sing canary music. They sing because they want empathy and I give it to them as soon as I sense their using because it absolutely helps me properly assess my surroundings while at the same time giving them the opportunity to better focus in our particular moment at the time. Maybe you'd call it a technique. I call it a hobby survival tool. I believe the more you know about an SP when you're in the moment the safer you are when it comes to judging whether or not to stay or go in any situation. So I not only ask. I make sure I know to the best of my ability.

So in my post earlier today on the Cincinnati Octagon thread I publicly asked Jackson AND A2 about the rules related to posting SP names who use. Their answer surprised me but the answer is essentially "Yes. " And it makes sense because this board is to protect us.

As mentioned on my Octagon thread, I'm not trying to start a witch hunt. Instead, I'm trying to keep my board brethren safe and alive and no longer be a contributor to a known H user's problem. Why now? Actually a selfish reason: Aside from no longer wanting to support an SP's H habit, it's now really about my own personal safety.

Interestingly, I've already received PM's from hobbyists with SP names. So, I've decided not to post my own personal observations right now. Instead, as a service to my fellow Dayton area mongers I will post provider names as supplied by you guys via PM. But I won't name your names. That way, the Admins on this site will be able to confirm all I'm doing is relaying received reports from the team via PM.

So, you know a provider who's using but you don't want to report it? PM me and I'll do it for you but I won't report your name. This is not to hurt the SP's (though I know it might do just that). It's to help protect our team.

Harry.

[PleasureGiver]

How many girls have recoved and quit and are no longer in the "business" ?

You guys either really don't care as much as you say or you simply don't pay any attention.

Haven't any of you noticed over the years that some, NOT all of the girls I refer on her eventually STOP using and leave the business?

I wonder why that is?

Well it's because they have become so deperate to get out of this "situation" they gotten themselves in.

You really think so of these young girls enjoy having to met Men twice their age in smelly shitty hotel room or car just to make a quick buck so they won't be sick the next day?

Of course it's their fault for getting hooked anyway to begin with, we can all agree there.

But those of you who think you're going to stop seeing girls who are hooked on Herione. Yeah good luck with that.

All you will be seeing is older burnt out ladies who are married like most of YOU.

Unless yu're going to spend $200 on an escort?

Why don't you change you why of thinking and instead offer one of these young girls help in getting clean or at the very least give them some respect the deserve.

Some of you are reall shit heads in my book and the girls keep me well informed on how they are treated by each of you.

NO I'm not there "pimp". BUT I'm trying to help each of them the best way I can.

ROSE = clean, no loner in the business.

LILY = clean, no loner in the business.

JENNY JUICE = clean, no loner in the business.

TATTO JESSIE = going to Rehab, soon to be clean and hopefully out of the business.

ABBEY = wants to go to Rehab, soon to be clean and hopefully out of the business.

There are more.

Let's see this list grow bigger not smaller.

And those of you who claim you will not see girls that have a "habit", well don't look to me for any referals.

[Terak0306]

I've been in and out of this hobby for many years in different parts of this country. I remember a day when escorts were college girls trying to pay tuition, a single mom paying the bills, or just a freaky girl that enjoyed the freedom this business provided. The drugs were kept to the streets and the street walkers.

You could go to a strip club. Meet reasonable intelligent women. Yeah some of them were on drugs but they were easy to spot. Heck, even met my wife in a strip club.

But over the past 10 years, the street walkers took over backpage. They were so dope sick they would advertise rock (pardon the pun) bottom prices. And guys, they took the bait. They said why pay her 150 when I can have that for 50. I know a few SPs that wouldn't do less than an hour and never less than 150. They quit the business. These were the drug free normal girls that were just trying to earn a somewhat honest living.

I hate to say it. But we drove the decline of backpage. We decided to go for the $40 special so some girl can feed her habit vs the 150 pro who was trying to put food on the table and pay the rent. We helped enable these girls to continue their habits.

I see it like this. We go to McDonalds and pay $1 for a cheesburger, and we are going to get a shitty attitude cashier and the cheapest meat and bun one can get. But hey, it's a buck and it satisfied our urge. For now.

But one day we want that big juicy pure angus beef burger. And we go looking for one, but none can be found. Why? Because we kept getting the $1 burger every day vs saving our money and visiting the high end restaurant once a week. And then we piss an moan because there is jack shit on backpage but scammers and dope addicts.

Yeah. H is a serious issue in our country. But the fact it controls backpage, that's our fault as consumers.

[NickTheDick]

How many girls have recoved and quit and are no longer in the "business" ?

You guys either really don't care as much as you say or you simply don't pay any attention.

Haven't any of you noticed over the years that some, NOT all of the girls I refer on her eventually STOP using and leave the business?

I wonder why that is?

Well it's because they have become so deperate to get out of this "situation" they gotten themselves in.

You really think so of these young girls enjoy having to met Men twice their age in smelly shitty hotel room or car just to make a quick buck so they won't be sick the next day?

Of course it's their fault for getting hooked anyway to begin with, we can all agree there.

But those of you who think you're going to stop seeing girls who are hooked on Herione. Yeah good luck with that.

All you will be seeing is older burnt out ladies who are married like most of YOU.

Unless yu're going to spend $200 on an escort?

Why don't you change you why of thinking and instead offer one of these young girls help in getting clean or at the very least give them some respect the deserve.

Some of you are reall shit heads in my book and the girls keep me well informed on how they are treated by each of you.

NO I'm not there "pimp". BUT I'm trying to help each of them the best way I can.

ROSE = clean, no loner in the business.

LILY = clean, no loner in the business.

JENNY JUICE = clean, no loner in the business.

TATTO JESSIE = going to Rehab, soon to be clean and hopefully out of the business.

ABBEY = wants to go to Rehab, soon to be clean and hopefully out of the business.

There are more.

Let's see this list grow bigger not smaller.

And those of you who claim you will not see girls that have a "habit", well don't look to me for any referals.Add Bianca to the list of those that avoided the grim reaper this year, barely, and is now clean for the first time in a long time.

[JamaCanMeCrazy]

Happy New Year to all the providers and all you mongers. Let's try and make the new year a productive and safe one.

Crazy.

[Member #5554]

I've been in and out of this hobby for many years in different parts of this country. I remember a day when escorts were college girls trying to pay tuition, a single mom paying the bills, or just a freaky girl that enjoyed the freedom this business provided. The drugs were kept to the streets and the street walkers.

You could go to a strip club. Meet reasonable intelligent women. Yeah some of them were on drugs but they were easy to spot. Heck, even met my wife in a strip club.

But over the past 10 years, the street walkers took over backpage. They were so dope sick they would advertise rock (pardon the pun) bottom prices. And guys, they took the bait. They said why pay her 150 when I can have that for 50. I know a few SPs that wouldn't do less than an hour and never less than 150. They quit the business. These were the drug free normal girls that were just trying to earn a somewhat honest living.

I hate to say it. But we drove the decline of backpage. We decided to go for the $40 special so some girl can feed her habit vs the 150 pro who was trying to put food on the table and pay the rent. We helped enable these girls to continue their habits.

I see it like this. We go to McDonalds and pay $1 for a cheesburger, and we are going to get a shitty attitude cashier and the cheapest meat and bun one can get. But hey, it's a buck and it satisfied our urge. For now.

But one day we want that big juicy pure angus beef burger. And we go looking for one, but none can be found. Why? Because we kept getting the $1 burger every day vs saving our money and visiting the high end restaurant once a week. And then we piss an moan because there is jack shit on backpage but scammers and dope addicts.

Yeah. H is a serious issue in our country. But the fact it controls backpage, that's our fault as consumers.That sums it up pretty good, and a great burger analogy. The situation is a reflection of market place forces, not unlike our accepting Chinese products because they are cheaper. Speaking of the Chinese, the current invasion of Chinese massage places must be having a devastating effect on traditional Licensed Massage Therapists, who will now gradually disappear just like the better grade (and higher priced) escorts. The other cause is the average level of pay of most everyone (except lawyers, medical people, drug companies, etc.) has not kept up with inflation. Things beyond our control have an effect on the whole situation, but we must not continue to feed the druggies.

[Terak0306]

That sums it up pretty good, and a great burger analogy. The situation is a reflection of market place forces, not unlike our accepting Chinese products because they are cheaper. Speaking of the Chinese, the current invasion of Chinese massage places must be having a devastating effect on traditional Licensed Massage Therapists, who will now gradually disappear just like the better grade (and higher priced) escorts. The other cause is the average level of pay of most everyone (except lawyers, medical people, drug companies, etc.) has not kept up with inflation. Things beyond our control have an effect on the whole situation, but we must not continue to feed the druggies.At the end of the day, a decent woman who values herself and isn't on drugs will not sell herself for some $40 special. I'm talking the girls who would keep a clean incall, have impeccable hygiene, wear sexy clothes, and treat you like a king without fail. They couldn't make more than working a minimum wage job because they'd be lucky to get more than once customer a week. The girls who would screen their clients before seeing them the first time. Instead we just pissed and moaned saying screening my ass. The dope sick girl won't do it so why should you.

Idk. This is why for years now, I'd find one or two regulars, pay them a decent amount, and stick with them.

Happy New Years everyone. Hopefully 2017 will see a turn around, if I wouldn't hold my breath.

[NickTheDick]

At the end of the day, a decent woman who values herself and isn't on drugs will not sell herself for some $40 special. I'm talking the girls who would keep a clean incall, have impeccable hygiene, wear sexy clothes, and treat you like a king without fail. They couldn't make more than working a minimum wage job because they'd be lucky to get more than once customer a week. The girls who would screen their clients before seeing them the first time. Instead we just pissed and moaned saying screening my ass. The dope sick girl won't do it so why should you.

Idk. This is why for years now, I'd find one or two regulars, pay them a decent amount, and stick with them.

Happy New Years everyone. Hopefully 2017 will see a turn around, if I wouldn't hold my breath.Happy New Year everyone and all good points and very true. I've found that I'm happiest with one, maybe 2, nice clean regulars with some self-respect and brains. Often they are only seeing me or have a SO and I'm the guy on the side. And it's honestly not that bad money-wise because, even though I may be giving 200 or more per visit, it's usually not for just an hour of playtime. Often, because it's a relationship, it'll be a nice dinner and conversation, evening out, maybe a romantic walk or movie, the playtime kicks ass, kinky as hell, and usually anything goes. No time limits, we go till we're satisfied. At the end of an evening which can be anywhere from 2 hours to all night that 200-400 I spent turns out to be a hell of a great deal. Not only that, the girls are almost always much hotter than you ever find on BP for 40. Oh, and the two most important things they're honestly appreciative because the money goes towards their rent, food, kids or school and not straight into a pimp or dope boy's pocket. Which also means they enjoy seeing you and actually give a shit about making your time together as enjoyable as possible and that is the real value for your time and money.

You won't find those girls on BP anymore. You can find them on SA, AM and at the strip clubs, but it takes work, patience and a little luck. Sometimes, if you get to know them, even the supermodel looking high end escorts will give you a pretty sweet deal.

[Cyberal1979]

You sure make some very valid points to everyone.


How many girls have recoved and quit and are no longer in the "business" ?

You guys either really don't care as much as you say or you simply don't pay any attention.

Haven't any of you noticed over the years that some, NOT all of the girls I refer on her eventually STOP using and leave the business?

I wonder why that is?

Well it's because they have become so deperate to get out of this "situation" they gotten themselves in.

You really think so of these young girls enjoy having to met Men twice their age in smelly shitty hotel room or car just to make a quick buck so they won't be sick the next day?

Of course it's their fault for getting hooked anyway to begin with, we can all agree there.

But those of you who think you're going to stop seeing girls who are hooked on Herione. Yeah good luck with that.

All you will be seeing is older burnt out ladies who are married like most of YOU.

Unless yu're going to spend $200 on an escort?

Why don't you change you why of thinking and instead offer one of these young girls help in getting clean or at the very least give them some respect the deserve.

Some of you are reall shit heads in my book and the girls keep me well informed on how they are treated by each of you.

NO I'm not there "pimp". BUT I'm trying to help each of them the best way I can.

ROSE = clean, no loner in the business.

LILY = clean, no loner in the business.

JENNY JUICE = clean, no loner in the business.

TATTO JESSIE = going to Rehab, soon to be clean and hopefully out of the business.

ABBEY = wants to go to Rehab, soon to be clean and hopefully out of the business.

There are more.

Let's see this list grow bigger not smaller.

And those of you who claim you will not see girls that have a "habit", well don't look to me for any referals.

[Hofan58]

You sure make some very valid points to everyone.Juicey jenny is still around seen her yesterday.

Dayton. backpage.com/ FemaleEscorts / juicy-jenny-I'm-back /32858032.

[Hofan58]

How many girls have recoved and quit and are no longer in the "business" ?

You guys either really don't care as much as you say or you simply don't pay any attention.

Haven't any of you noticed over the years that some, NOT all of the girls I refer on her eventually STOP using and leave the business?

I wonder why that is?

Well it's because they have become so deperate to get out of this "situation" they gotten themselves in.

You really think so of these young girls enjoy having to met Men twice their age in smelly shitty hotel room or car just to make a quick buck so they won't be sick the next day?

Of course it's their fault for getting hooked anyway to begin with, we can all agree there.

But those of you who think you're going to stop seeing girls who are hooked on Herione. Yeah good luck with that.

All you will be seeing is older burnt out ladies who are married like most of YOU.

Unless yu're going to spend $200 on an escort?

Why don't you change you why of thinking and instead offer one of these young girls help in getting clean or at the very least give them some respect the deserve.

Some of you are reall shit heads in my book and the girls keep me well informed on how they are treated by each of you.

NO I'm not there "pimp". BUT I'm trying to help each of them the best way I can.

ROSE = clean, no loner in the business.

LILY = clean, no loner in the business.

JENNY JUICE = clean, no loner in the business.

TATTO JESSIE = going to Rehab, soon to be clean and hopefully out of the business.

ABBEY = wants to go to Rehab, soon to be clean and hopefully out of the business.

There are more.

Let's see this list grow bigger not smaller.

And those of you who claim you will not see girls that have a "habit", well don't look to me for any referals.Juicey jenny is still around seen her yesturday looks a lot better.

Dayton. backpage.com/ FemaleEscorts / juicy-jenny-I'm-back /32858032.

[PleasureGiver]

Juicey jenny is still around seen her yesterday.

Dayton. backpage.com/ FemaleEscorts / juicy-jenny-I'm-back /32858032.Not the same one?

[BigDaddyHappy]

Not the same one?I think you mean this one -.

http://dayton.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/juicy-jenny-im-back/32858032

[PleasureGiver]

I think you mean this one -.

http://dayton.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/juicy-jenny-im-back/32858032This is a different girl. NOT Jenny Juice!

[Goodson2000]

A provider sent me a PM. She thought I commented something negative about her. I read it back, I confirmed I only commented what I know.

BTW I have a concern on providers with guns. It is her constitutional right if she is a good citizen. I only stated that she has a gun. I do know it. What is the problem here? It's her right, I know the fact, and I stated the fact. I said it because of our safety. Some wouldn't mind, some do. I do. It's up to everyone's discretion.

[JustLookInSW]

A provider sent me a PM. She thought I commented something negative about her. I read it back, I confirmed I only commented what I know.

BTW I have a concern on providers with guns. It is her constitutional right if she is a good citizen. I only stated that she has a gun. I do know it. What is the problem here? It's her right, I know the fact, and I stated the fact. I said it because of our safety. Some wouldn't mind, some do. I do. It's up to everyone's discretion.I don't see where you did anything offensive by reporting it.

I personally wouldn't care but I've spent a lot of time around fire arms.

I've got as much anxiety around a gun as I do the ball peen hammer in my tool box.

But I do understand there are a whole lot of people that don't feel the same way.

[RegulatorD]

This is a different girl. NOT Jenny Juice!PG, I was heart broken when she took that extra long vacation, she was always there when you needed her!

[PleasureGiver]

PG, I was heart broken when she took that extra long vacation, she was always there when you needed her!I still don't know at this point if she will ever come back.

Only "time out" will tell.

[KnottyWood]

A provider sent me a PM. She thought I commented something negative about her. I read it back, I confirmed I only commented what I know.

BTW I have a concern on providers with guns. It is her constitutional right if she is a good citizen. I only stated that she has a gun. I do know it. What is the problem here? It's her right, I know the fact, and I stated the fact. I said it because of our safety. Some wouldn't mind, some do. I do. It's up to everyone's discretion.If she would have been carrying the gun like the training and law says you must you would not have been making the report for lack of knowing about it. The word "concealed" does not leave much the the imagination, she or no one else should be pissed at you for reporting what seems to be knowledge freely given to you.

[Ho Beau]

If she would have been carrying the gun like the training and law says you must you would not have been making the report for lack of knowing about it. The word "concealed" does not leave much the the imagination, she or no one else should be pissed at you for reporting what seems to be knowledge freely given to you.If you carry a gun and conceal it, you need to be licensed. Hence the CCW. However, anyone can carry a gun unconcealed. Open carry. Thanks to the constitution and our friends at the NRA. Felons and a few exceptions not withstanding. Of course.

[Member #5554]

If you carry a gun and conceal it, you need to be licensed. Hence the CCW. However, anyone can carry a gun unconcealed. Open carry. Thanks to the constitution and our friends at the NRA. Felons and a few exceptions not withstanding. Of course.Concealed or not, having someone in your car with a gun is inviting danger and complications should you ever be stopped by the law. Gun owners have rights, but other people should have common sense and stay away, in my opinion.

[Dazhiba]

Let's not forget that if you are carrying a gun and are charged with any type of crime then things go to a whole new level and if the monger is carrying and arrested he could lose his ccw.

Stay safe boys.

Daz.


Concealed or not, having someone in your car with a gun is inviting danger and complications should you ever be stopped by the law. Gun owners have rights, but other people should have common sense and stay away, in my opinion.

[DayKink]

I don't blame these ladies for carrying. You can't even imagine some of guys out there. My friend had knives hidden throughout the place and she was quite good with them.

As far as another post I just read about LE monitoring this site. I can confirm that to be an accurate statement.


A provider sent me a PM. She thought I commented something negative about her. I read it back, I confirmed I only commented what I know.

BTW I have a concern on providers with guns. It is her constitutional right if she is a good citizen. I only stated that she has a gun. I do know it. What is the problem here? It's her right, I know the fact, and I stated the fact. I said it because of our safety. Some wouldn't mind, some do. I do. It's up to everyone's discretion.

[FootMan2007]

I'm starting to get the feeling that BP closing was bad. Since it happened it seems like it's getting harder and harder to meet anyone, and if you are lucky enough your going to be scheduling in advance. I know I tried to meet Sarah today and had was supposed to meet her then she said she would text me when she was done and I got nothing but crickets. With everyone fighting over everyone else I've also noticed that prices are rising and I wouldn't be amazed if people are offering 2-3 times what they usually paid to see someone. Good news for the girls, bad news for us.

[Terak0306]

I'm starting to get the feeling that BP closing was bad. Since it happened it seems like it's getting harder and harder to meet anyone, and if you are lucky enough your going to be scheduling in advance. I know I tried to meet Sarah today and had was supposed to meet her then she said she would text me when she was done and I got nothing but crickets. With everyone fighting over everyone else I've also noticed that prices are rising and I wouldn't be amazed if people are offering 2-3 times what they usually paid to see someone. Good news for the girls, bad news for us.Have to agree. Got quoted 380 for hour duo. Seen each individually a $/ hr each. So figured the duo would be 2 or less. NOPE. 380. I laughed. Shook my head and said no thanks. Went to a regular utr instead.

[Knight73]

Have to agree. Got quoted 380 for hour duo. Seen each individually a $/ hr each. So figured the duo would be 2 or less. NOPE. 380. I laughed. Shook my head and said no thanks. Went to a regular utr instead.Haha. Another case of GPS (golden pussy syndrome). Once these girls realize the market is flooded and mongers aren't willing to pay 380 or some ridiculous amount for a dream then their price point will come down. Thanks for being strong enough and saying no to their demands. Unfortunately there are some that have deep pockets or just aren't smart enough to say no. Stay safe.

Knight.

[MontyCliff]

I don't blame these ladies for carrying. You can't even imagine some of guys out there. My friend had knives hidden throughout the place and she was quite good with them.

As far as another post I just read about LE monitoring this site. I can confirm that to be an accurate statement.I think I would feel better about the ladies carrying loaded guns, if they at least would demonstrate some responsibility with the care and management of their cell phones. Just saying, MC.

[Raider1687]

I'm starting to get the feeling that BP closing was bad. Since it happened it seems like it's getting harder and harder to meet anyone, and if you are lucky enough your going to be scheduling in advance. I know I tried to meet Sarah today and had was supposed to meet her then she said she would text me when she was done and I got nothing but crickets. With everyone fighting over everyone else I've also noticed that prices are rising and I wouldn't be amazed if people are offering 2-3 times what they usually paid to see someone. Good news for the girls, bad news for us.Really? I have no idea who Sarah is, but that is weird. Not the case for this white knight! I did a duo tonight with two 19 year olds for $. Met a brand new 21-year old blonde in Centerville on Monday that has a great spinner body for. 8 and a great 21-year old mixed chick with big tits for $.

[LuvinCurves79]

Raider you are the man. I want to be like you when I grow up!

LC79.


Really? I have no idea who Sarah is, but that is weird. Not the case for this white knight! I did a duo tonight with two 19 year olds for $. Met a brand new 21-year old blonde in Centerville on Monday that has a great spinner body for. 8 and a great 21-year old mixed chick with big tits for $.

[Member #5554]

Really? I have no idea who Sarah is, but that is weird. Not the case for this white knight! I did a duo tonight with two 19 year olds for $. Met a brand new 21-year old blonde in Centerville on Monday that has a great spinner body for. 8 and a great 21-year old mixed chick with big tits for $.I must say you are doing just fine in the current climate. You must speak softly and carry a big dick (and know how to hypnotize).

[CincyKayak]

Actually, it isn't and that's the problem! Just want to find an attractive girl or two to send dirty texts during the workday this week. Too much stress. Uncle's efforts ahead of the First Four makes it tough to see a girl. Just want to be dirty and send some pics back and forth.

[Repo1]

Why is it so hard to set up meetings with some of the providers they say call or text anytime an never answer.

I understand I am not a senior but up untill now I really haven't had time but that has changed.

[Member #5554]

Why is it so hard to set up meetings with some of the providers they say call or text anytime an never answer.

I understand I am not a senior but up untill now I really haven't had time but that has changed.It's simple, either they are truly incompetent planners, or they are hot stuff with so many calls to choose from that can afford to ignore whomever they like. In the case of less than desirable providers who are lucky to get any calls at all, they answer immediately. Shoot for the happy medium, good providers than respond in a business-like way.

[Willyboy58]

Why is it so hard to set up meetings with some of the providers they say call or text anytime an never answer.

I understand I am not a senior but up untill now I really haven't had time but that has changed.Also some of the ones I have met, only do this for a little extra money, not into it to make a living. If they say call any time, you would think other wise, but this could be part of it.

[BigMack]

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All of this is offered FOR FREE to ladies for time periods they designate no FS however due to internal protrusions eminating from down below due to plumbing issues. I have no baggage and am willing to sacrifice my body to a lady / ladies for their general perusal and use. Sucha deal ehhhhhh? Feel free to PM me if you would like to use me / not abuse me and to use me over and over if that is your desire contact me. I am easy to persuade. Again this is for FREE no cost to you and I will even throw in a dinner at the restaurant of your choice or "we can eat in" at your place or a nice hotel I would provide. I am easy but do not take advantage of me and hurt my feelings. Thank you for reading and for considering This deal will not last forever. Kisses and warm wet licks Big Mack have attachments will travel!

[HarryHobbiest]

On behalf of the team I wish to say "Thank you" to RobertOhio because of his marvelous post here:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3993-General-Reports&p=3254536&viewfull=1#post3254536.

Why can't everyone also include shit like open sores when they post how great a provider's performance may be. Why would you NOT include vital information such as this?

Good for you RobertOhio. You saved me a trip.

Harry.

[Ktom13]

On behalf of the team I wish to say "Thank you" to RobertOhio because of his marvelous post here:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3993-General-Reports&p=3254536&viewfull=1#post3254536.

Why can't everyone also include shit like open sores when they post how great a provider's performance may be. Why would you NOT include vital information such as this?

Good for you RobertOhio. You saved me a trip.

Harry.Yes, I agree and I certainly don't want to mislead anyone, my apologies to the team, as always, YMMV. In my dream a few weeks back, I too, was taken aback by her looks. However, though her face was scarred, I did not see any open sores nor any track marks. She even mentioned how she got upset at someone else for mentioning such a thing. She explained how she had once had a drug problem and had gotten the scars. Now maybe I'm gullible, but she said she been through rehab and now was clean. I know, that's what they all say, right, but she certainly did not talk like she was using or on anything. But, what do I know, I'm not into drugs or what they do. I know some will kill you, and I've heard some say that sores are caused by meth usage, but certainly I have been fooled before. I guess what I'm saying is this. I'd wish to not recommend if that be the case. In this world of mongering where this could be hazardous to all involved, I'm sure it's to our advantage to be cautious when we can do so. And for Petes sake, cover up. Stay safe and utr!

KT.

[HarryHobbiest]

I intended no disrespect nor was I intending to call you out specifically Ktom. I was venting in a general manner. I've shown up after reading reports from too many hobbyists that leave out details like apartments that smell like cat litter boxes that haven't been changed in a month or houses that have nonrunning water (as in Springfield Red a couple of years ago) or how a provider is missing all her teeth despite her "amazing" BBBJ skills (as in Buddah's Alexis of years past who is back on the scene in CVG yet nobody has mentioned that again about her yet). It's tough enough showing up to meet a provider because you read a report here how the provider has a hot spinner body when she actually weighs over 150 lbs and and stretch marks that resemble a detailed map of New York's finger lakes region because some four hundred pound hobbyist just got his first nut in a year thinking it was the best orgasm of his life. But the worst is when a hobbyist thinks a provider has some kind of relationship with him beyond the simple fact he is a partial income source and leaves out shit in his report in hopes of more props from her ignorantly imagining that when his wallet dries up somehow her vagina won't.

Harry.


Yes, I agree and I certainly don't want to mislead anyone, my apologies to the team, as always, YMMV. In my dream a few weeks back, I too, was taken aback by her looks. However, though her face was scarred, I did not see any open sores nor any track marks. She even mentioned how she got upset at someone else for mentioning such a thing. She explained how she had once had a drug problem and had gotten the scars. Now maybe I'm gullible, but she said she been through rehab and now was clean. I know, that's what they all say, right, but she certainly did not talk like she was using or on anything. But, what do I know, I'm not into drugs or what they do. I know some will kill you, and I've heard some say that sores are caused by meth usage, but certainly I have been fooled before. I guess what I'm saying is this. I'd wish to not recommend if that be the case. In this world of mongering where this could be hazardous to all involved, I'm sure it's to our advantage to be cautious when we can do so. And for Petes sake, cover up. Stay safe and utr!

KT.

[TonBug]

Same as KTom, I noticed slight scarring on my first visit, but it wasn't worth mentioning because they weren't open or anything. My second visit she did mention that she was keeping her nails trimmed shorter so she wouldn't pick her face. It must have gotten worse.


I intended no disrespect nor was I intending to call you out specifically Ktom. I was venting in a general manner. I've shown up after reading reports from too many hobbyists that leave out details like apartments that smell like cat litter boxes that haven't been changed in a month or houses that have nonrunning water (as in Springfield Red a couple of years ago) or how a provider is missing all her teeth despite her "amazing" BBBJ skills (as in Buddah's Alexis of years past who is back on the scene in CVG yet nobody has mentioned that again about her yet). It's tough enough showing up to meet a provider because you read a report here how the provider has a hot spinner body when she actually weighs over 150 lbs and and stretch marks that resemble a detailed map of New York's finger lakes region because some four hundred pound hobbyist just got his first nut in a year thinking it was the best orgasm of his life. But the worst is when a hobbyist thinks a provider has some kind of relationship with him beyond the simple fact he is a partial income source and leaves out shit in his report in hopes of more props from her ignorantly imagining that when his wallet dries up somehow her vagina won't.

Harry.

[RobertOhio4]

Just to be clear I wasn't intending to disparage any member or their postings. I was just reporting my experience. To clarify further there was much more scaring and I only saw a couple that looked opened maybe they were scratched, not sure but wasn't something I was willing to partake. She didn't appear to be impaired in any way, and was more than willing to provide. I try not to judge people was just reporting my observations and experience.


Same as KTom, I noticed slight scarring on my first visit, but it wasn't worth mentioning because they weren't open or anything. My second visit she did mention that she was keeping her nails trimmed shorter so she wouldn't pick her face. It must have gotten worse.

[Goodson2000]

I met a UTR woman in her mid 30's.

Safe to say her body was below average even for a mid 30's woman. Saggie and deflated tits. A lot of baby damage and hanging loose skins. Two dozens of big moles on her back. Moles of 3D kind, not just black spots. A few warts around pussy.

I can't say she didn't try hard to please me. She gave me a good effort. I give her credit. I was telling myself "okay, this isn't that bad. Likely I won't repeat but she is okay. The body isn't her fault. " Before the session, she had told me that she had retired from club because she had become too old to compete in the club.

Problems started after the session. She wants much more than 100 (we haven't talked about price at all until this point. I had some idea because I know my referral's usual spending pattern). Hell no LOL. She started saying "I usually charges this much. " Huh? Didn't you say you don't do this and I'm the first referral? What and when was your "usual"? When you were a dancer? I hate ex-dancers.

I understand the dancers' price policy rationale. "I charge clients $xx for couch, $xx for VIP, so I must charge more for this. " I'm pretty sure it works fine with many club patrons because they would think it in the same way. I don't. And she must not either because she isn't a dancer. She was, and it is apparent it was long time ago. She is in her mid 30's. She might have set the price 10 years ago. She isn't a dancer any more because she no longer has youth and a dancer like body. Her "usual" price doesn't reflect the diminished quality.

I didn't give her my honest opinion on her body. I almost did but I didn't. I'm nice.

Did I say I hate ex-dancers?

[Goodson2000]

Golden Pussy Syndrome. I don't need it.

[WesMontgomery]

[Deleted by Admin]

You can post all this shit again if you want but you have to register or use your provider account to do it. You're obviously a woman.

A2

[WesMontgomery]

Golden Pussy Syndrome. I don't need it.I agree, its a nasty term. So how 'about this. Let's redefine GPS as "Golden Prick Syndrome" in your honor?

See what I mean?

A2

[Goodson2000]

http://dayton.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/classifieds/EnlargeImage?image=34859960&oid=34859980

This is the ad on "Women seek Men" section. But Sunny, you already have a man LOL. Good picture of her though.

Seriously, you don't want to be on BP ad this way.

[Westy0311]

I've seen her once and she wasn't the brightest crayon in the box nor was she any good in the sack.


http://dayton.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/classifieds/EnlargeImage?image=34859960&oid=34859980

This is the ad on "Women seek Men" section. But Sunny, you already have a man LOL. Good picture of her though.

Seriously, you don't want to be on BP ad this way.

[NothingToDo]

That's probably one of our fellow monger in the mirror. Ha!



Seriously, you don't want to be on BP ad this way.

[Goodson2000]

You can post all this shit again if you want but you have to register or use your provider account to do it. You're obviously a woman.

A2Thanks.

Some of fellow senior already asked me if I know who is this provider. Yes I do. I'm nice enough not to say her name here.

[MuffDiverDan]

In the last 6 months been with 6 ladies' who ended up on an unwanted vacation, only one is done, 5 still vacationing, so I figure I'm pushing my luck, don't know hardly anyone on the ad's, so I'm going to lay low, unless someone has a UTR spinner with no Habit they want to share, I'm going to go see Grace in Cincy one more time then hang up the monger shoe's for a week or two

[ItsTimeToEat]

Golden Pussy Syndrome. I don't need it.I don't need another one.

[Terak0306]

In the last 6 months been with 6 ladies' who ended up on an unwanted vacation, only one is done, 5 still vacationing, so I figure I'm pushing my luck, don't know hardly anyone on the ad's, so I'm going to lay low, unless someone has a UTR spinner with no Habit they want to share, I'm going to go see Grace in Cincy one more time then hang up the monger shoe's for a week or twoI'm with you. Slowed way down myself. Can't support the habits most these girls have and only way to know if they have a habit is to see them. Miss the days of the single mom college chicks. When all the drugs stayed with most the streetwalkers.

[ThomasPaine]

After reading these past posts I realize I've slowed down hobby life myself as a byproduct of the drug girls. And I mean a lot. After Violet and so many of the recently sampled I realize the majority were on it and are nearly all gone for one reason or a terrible other. Ironically, the H epidemic has delivered some extraordinary beauties as compared to what I at least seem to recall from even as recently as three or four years ago. Even if the selection back then was the same as now, does anyone disagree the beauty factor has overall been much improved within the past year? Remember Tiffany69? Or Sexy Sparkle? (though Sparkle appears clearly off of it and good for her). Perhaps it's because, regardless of how beautiful or hot they are, H doesn't discriminate and its effects are equally devastating. So even the hot ones succumb and provide to stay well. No? Regardless, just need to avoid what is lately unavoidable: the H girls. A toughest thing to do at this moment.

Tommy.

[Member #5554]

After reading these past posts I realize I've slowed down hobby life myself as a byproduct of the drug girls. And I mean a lot. After Violet and so many of the recently sampled I realize the majority were on it and are nearly all gone for one reason or a terrible other. Ironically, the H epidemic has delivered some extraordinary beauties as compared to what I at least seem to recall from even as recently as three or four years ago. Even if the selection back then was the same as now, does anyone disagree the beauty factor has overall been much improved within the past year? Remember Tiffany69? Or Sexy Sparkle? (though Sparkle appears clearly off of it and good for her). Perhaps it's because, regardless of how beautiful or hot they are, H doesn't discriminate and its effects are equally devastating. So even the hot ones succumb and provide to stay well. No? Regardless, just need to avoid what is lately unavoidable: the H girls. A toughest thing to do at this moment.

Tommy.Yes, I think many of us have cut back. The lack of a quality experience with all the dangers out there just makes it less reasonable to spend money on many of these girls. Even the massage parlor experience has gone way down for the cost involved. The Chinese 'afias that control the fairly sudden explosion of new places tease us with stock pictures of young girls, but they give us middle aged women with spotty massage skills. We need to go on strike, but our little brain keeps pushing us to throw our money away. God damn hormones.

[Goodson2000]

http://dayton.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/anyone-know-her/34935062

I saw this ad on CL as well. He is looking for this girl in New Carlisle. Likely he is ready to stalk her. I want to know why he is so obsessed. Must be something good, right?

[Cowboyscult]

http://dayton.backpage.com/MenSeekWomen/needing-one-or-more-women-for-entire-weekend/34979842

I would hope that nobody on this board is this stupid, but probably not a good idea to post an ad with a real picture of you, your primary phone number, list said phone number on Facebook and allow anyone to search for it, and post your address on Facebook shared publicly. Oh, not to mention don't list the hours you are going to be at work an away from said house in your BP ad. Trying to think of nice way to give the guy a clue.

[RegulatorD]

http://dayton.backpage.com/MenSeekWomen/needing-one-or-more-women-for-entire-weekend/34979842

I would hope that nobody on this board is this stupid, but probably not a good idea to post an ad with a real picture of you, your primary phone number, list said phone number on Facebook and allow anyone to search for it, and post your address on Facebook shared publicly. Oh, not to mention don't list the hours you are going to be at work an away from said house in your BP ad. Trying to think of nice way to give the guy a clue.Wow. Bone head.

[Yardart]

Wow. Bone head.He may have just pissed the wrong person off.

[RogerOver]

He may have just pissed the wrong person off.Thinking the same thing.

[Dcloser6]

I've been told there are some who are threatening Sarah1983 and her partner Destiny with bad reviews if they don't drop their rates. BULLSHIT. Stop trying to bully the women here. Negotiate all you want, but DO NOT use this board and its power to sway people to take money away from them.

As a long time senior you know I never lie, will always share to those who've earned the right, and always treat the ladies with respect. It has allowed me to enjoy their company while rarely being dissapointed or taken advantage of.

Sarah has ALWAYS been a true provider and Destiny while young and maybe a bit sharp tongued has not tried anything bad or made me feel cheated or lied to. My eyes are open and I'm very very careful so I kow all the tricks. STOP abusing them. Here are two offering you paradise for a very reasonable rate and someone here is runing that for us.

So, if I find out who you are, be prepared, I will be glad to share my displeasure.

[NothingToDo]

In regards to our issues, I should have just kept that between her and I and not brought it to the board, honestly things spiraled up and went a direction I did not intend them to go...Glad the issue was resolved for them.

But on a more constructive note, sharing info and experiences is the whole point of having this forum.

Ideally we all stay objective and fair, but the experience is personal to both the hobbyist and the SP, and therefore YMMV. We all have different tastes and what works for one may not for another. And just because I had a good experience a month ago, you could still get ripped off today -- both are equally important information that should be shared! Everyone should also know better to take all intel with a grain of salt and be smart about it.

It's nice a SP is on the forum for open discussions, and it's nice people can work things out in public. But that shouldn't be any reason to deter anyone from sharing their experience.

Provide as much objective information as you can, share your subjective experience in a fair way. Be safe.

[Goodson2000]

Glad the issue was resolved for them.

But on a more constructive note, sharing info and experiences is the whole point of having this forum.

Ideally we all stay objective and fair, but the experience is personal to both the hobbyist and the SP, and therefore YMMV. We all have different tastes and what works for one may not for another. And just because I had a good experience a month ago, you could still get ripped off today -- both are equally important information that should be shared! Everyone should also know better to take all intel with a grain of salt and be smart about it.

It's nice a SP is on the forum for open discussions, and it's nice people can work things out in public. But that shouldn't be any reason to deter anyone from sharing their experience.

Provide as much objective information as you can, share your subjective experience in a fair way. Be safe.Great point.

Generally speaking, guys retract their negative comments because the provider is offering him a great deal behind the scene. It happens fairly often. It compromises the integrity of intel on the board, on her. A provider with all white knights, all the time. We have seen it before right?

[RegulatorD]

Great point.

Generally speaking, guys retract their negative comments because the provider is offering him a great deal behind the scene. It happens fairly often. It compromises the integrity of intel on the board, on her. A provider with all white knights, all the time. We have seen it before right?You make one negative comment and you are FLOODED with White Knight PMs trying to hammer you! Even a lot of reviews are classic white knight, she is sooo wonderful, she is my sunshine, she is my world, I wish I could marry her.

[TheDaytimer]

Great point.

Generally speaking, guys retract their negative comments because the provider is offering him a great deal behind the scene. It happens fairly often. It compromises the integrity of intel on the board, on her. A provider with all white knights, all the time. We have seen it before right?In this particular case I suspect she invited him over, tied him up, and forced him to submit! Just Sayin' (all in jest).

[TheWolverineJP]

In this particular case I suspect she invited him over, tied him up, and forced him to submit! Just Sayin' (all in jest).Hey guys, I'm fairly new to this scene but have been around enough to know how the game is played. I can assure you that whatever I post in the forum is accurate and true to the best of my knowledge and if I do say something out of line or misrepresent something I will be the first to correct it, case in point Lady J. I want the info I read from other posters to be accurate without subjective bias as much as you do. I don't mind the fun in jest but trust me, I'm not being manipulated.

[MTownUtr]

Great point.

Generally speaking, guys retract their negative comments because the provider is offering him a great deal behind the scene. It happens fairly often. It compromises the integrity of intel on the board, on her. A provider with all white knights, all the time. We have seen it before right?No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.

[NothingToDo]

No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.No, we were not arguing about you per se in the Stupid Shit section. We were talking about how some ultra-nice people worry about reporting any negative experience on this forum.

A misunderstanding, a miscommunication, or a missed appointment, all says something about the provider and the hobbyist. There are many other hobbyists that will report their experiences as well. People can be the judge.
Personally I am glad to see you and Wolverine working things out in a civilized way. That should be applauded.

That said, maybe I should change my handle to NothingBetterToDo.

Have fun and be safe!

[Pacific Creek]

I've been told there are some who are threatening Sarah1983 and her partner Destiny with bad reviews if they don't drop their rates. BULLSHIT. Stop trying to bully the women here. Negotiate all you want, but DO NOT use this board and its power to sway people to take money away from them.

As a long time senior you know I never lie, will always share to those who've earned the right, and always treat the ladies with respect. It has allowed me to enjoy their company while rarely being dissapointed or taken advantage of.

Sarah has ALWAYS been a true provider and Destiny while young and maybe a bit sharp tongued has not tried anything bad or made me feel cheated or lied to. My eyes are open and I'm very very careful so I kow all the tricks. STOP abusing them. Here are two offering you paradise for a very reasonable rate and someone here is runing that for us.

So, if I find out who you are, be prepared, I will be glad to share my displeasure.While I pass on high prices, I will not threaten someone with a bad review because of their prices.

I am not saying Sarah or her friend have high prices. I have yet to go visit them but they are on my list of local providers to visit and experience for myself. Threatening someone with a bad review because you don't like the freight is just dumb and proves that the people doing that suffer from Cranial Rectal Inversion. Very similar to those who get upset because the ladies don't want to visit with people of different races. It's their body and their choice who they share it with. Making rude and ignorant statements about them just shows how intelligent you really are.

The ladies are here for us. We are here for them. If you don't like the landing, go to a different port.

Fly low, be cool and always check your six.

[Goodson2000]

No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.I was clear "generally speaking" in my post. We have seen them a lot. White knights are annoying. Information compromised.

So, when did I do wrong, as you calling me "wrong again?" I don't like a false accusation. At the same time if I was wrong somewhere, I want to correct it. I guess when you blame me through the alias account?

[Member #5554]

No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.Looks like Lady J is still trying to control us. This forum is for free discussion of our experiences, and we are not "like a bunch of old ladies". She makes a living from those of us that are allowed to see her, and she displays disdain for us. Go back to where you came from.

[RegulatorD]

The issue is, this forum should be a free flow of information, just cause you made a connection or she curled your toes, someone else could have had a nightmare experience. So that's where us smart guys on the forum compile all the information and make a choice to see or not, based on all the info. I wrote a review once, and it was ok, but there was room for improvement. The word got back to her and she corrected everything and became an ATF. It works the other way also, I have heard providers say, this guy was drunk, he stank, etc, and then they write a bad review. But at the end of the day, if most of the reviews from trusted people are positive then a few negatives mean nothing, and sometime providers could learn from a negative review or two. REMEMBER this a forum, not an infomercial! So guys, let people write reviews...good or bad!!!!

[BuxKA]

The issue is, this forum should be a free flow of information, just cause you made a connection or she curled your toes, someone else could have had a nightmare experience. So that's where us smart guys on the forum compile all the information and make a choice to see or not, based on all the info. I wrote a review once, and it was ok, but there was room for improvement. The word got back to her and she corrected everything and became an ATF. It works the other way also, I have heard providers say, this guy was drunk, he stank, etc, and then they write a bad review. But at the end of the day, if most of the reviews from trusted people are positive then a few negatives mean nothing, and sometime providers could learn from a negative review or two. REMEMBER this a forum, not an infomercial! So guys, let people write reviews...good or bad!!!!We need accurate information to make a decision and that is paramount. I wish I had the honest reviews from our Cincy-Dayton boards when I was in Tampa a year ago. I made a bad decision because there was no information and I paid for it. Nothing bad happened it was a very poor date and I was out $200. However she tried to tell me what to write. LOL! I stomped her and someone else mentioned a similar experience and I still check to see if she has any ads up and I haven't seen anything. Hate to put a girl out of business but to me what we did was not business.

[TheWolverineJP]

We need accurate information to make a decision and that is paramount. I wish I had the honest reviews from our Cincy-Dayton boards when I was in Tampa a year ago. I made a bad decision because there was no information and I paid for it. Nothing bad happened it was a very poor date and I was out $200. However she tried to tell me what to write. LOL! I stomped her and someone else mentioned a similar experience and I still check to see if she has any ads up and I haven't seen anything. Hate to put a girl out of business but to me what we did was not business.I see the problems arise when either, 1. The reviewer is not being factual and is just trying to discredit the provider or brag for some reason or another or, 2. The one being reviewed is too arrogant and proud to do some self examination and be critical of themselves or their performance. A person that will not take criticism will never grow and improve. In the forum there us a tendancy for cheap shots that really have no basis, those posts only make a person defensive and should be ignored. If the reviewer and the reviewed would stick to the facts, take the info as a lesson learned without getting defensive the posts would then carry a lot more weight and have a good effect. Quite frankly there are some posts I completely ignore because the poster has a history of not being objective. Really the posts are only as good as the reputation of the person behind it. Good or bad. I beleive each poster is painting a picture of their character every time they post and the words should be chosen wisely. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the crumby grammer, posting from my phone.

[MontyCliff]

No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.Certainly you have better things to do then make disparaging comments about "old ladies".

[CletusTheYokel]

I'm with DC for two reasons. One, This board should be like Fight Club when it comes to the girls. Don't talk about it--except with advertisers. But too many guys blab about it and / or try to use a bad review as leverage--come on man. Just be straight up.

Two, Sarah and her friends are quite reasonable.

My two cents.

Cletus.


I've been told there are some who are threatening Sarah1983 and her partner Destiny with bad reviews if they don't drop their rates. BULLSHIT. Stop trying to bully the women here. Negotiate all you want, but DO NOT use this board and its power to sway people to take money away from them.

As a long time senior you know I never lie, will always share to those who've earned the right, and always treat the ladies with respect. It has allowed me to enjoy their company while rarely being dissapointed or taken advantage of.

Sarah has ALWAYS been a true provider and Destiny while young and maybe a bit sharp tongued has not tried anything bad or made me feel cheated or lied to. My eyes are open and I'm very very careful so I kow all the tricks. STOP abusing them. Here are two offering you paradise for a very reasonable rate and someone here is runing that for us.

So, if I find out who you are, be prepared, I will be glad to share my displeasure.

[Member #5554]

Certainly you have better things to do then make disparaging comments about "old ladies".Oh oh, now you've done it, she will cross you off her compliant list and not see you. Welcome to the Lady J reject list.

[CinciScubaDude]

Be safe and careful my friends! I am mostly in Cinci but watch the Dayton board as well. Looks like lots of fun up there this week, but watch out for Uncle as well.

[Jmoney69]

Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance!

[Ho Beau]

Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance!Best club = Princeton in Columbus.

Good club = Club Sinday near Middletown.

OK club = Club 101 in Dayton.

[BuzzWeiser]

Best club = Princeton in Columbus.

Good club = Club Sinday near Middletown.

OK club = Club 101 in Dayton.101 is ok but very clicky.

440 in Milford I personally don't like.

Princeton is a great club.

Sinday is picky about who they let in.

[PleasureGiver]

Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance!Club 101.

I had great times there for awhile but it was years ago.

I always went alone and within an hour some horney housewife would come grab me and say my husband / boyfriend wants to watch. LOL.

Most were in their 30's to 40's and decent looking.

Better looking and better bodies in fact then most "providers".

[Daytonfreek]

Club 101.

I had great times there for awhile but it was years ago.

I always went alone and within an hour some horney housewife would come grab me and say my husband / boyfriend wants to watch. LOL.

Most were in their 30's to 40's and decent looking.

Better looking and better bodies in fact then most "providers".This is definitely some stupid shit, but just a story of how I came to exist in our hobby, that the USA Adult Classifieds link proclaiming "why waste your time and money on 'free' pussy" has me inclined to tell. I don't know what the average age of a hobbyist here is, but I have an inclination to believe that being in my mid 30's I am probably in the youngest 20% of our members, and still single. I got tired of going to bars and clubs and wasting money on overpriced drinks and competing with 1-4 other dudes for a piece of ass that I had no guarantee of getting. Sometimes I got lucky, oftentimes I didn't. Not to mention the risk of being arrested for DUI on the way home. I realized that by taking up this hobby my monetary losses would probably be around the same as my weekend excursions at the clubs. And I had a veritable cornucopia of guaranteed ass to choose from, and as long as I played it safe the chances of me being arrested for doing this were far lesser than being arrested for DUI. Well, 8 years later and here I am still. Maybe I'll settle down before I hit 40, but I doubt it LOL.

[Member #5554]

101 is ok but very clicky.

440 in Milford I personally don't like.

Princeton is a great club.

Sinday is picky about who they let in.That sums the current situation up nicely. In the glory days a decade ago, there were four clubs in the Dayton area: Dayton Swim & Social, Temptations, 440, and 101. Only 101 remains, 440 moved south, the landlord shut down Tempations, a fire ruined it for Dayton Swim & Social. I heard that there was a new club in the New Carlisle area in the last year or two, but I don't know the name.

[BuzzWeiser]

I thought I'd post more on the swingers clubs than just my initial quick response. My wife and I are members of Club 101. We have been for many years. We don't go very often anymore as right now she's dealing with the change of life. However we've had the pleasure of going to many clubs here in this state and some out of state as well. Each club has its own clicks and regulars that go almost every weekend. Some clubs welcome "single"men but usually charge them a premium to get in. 101 is this type of Club. Some of the others don't allow single men and others only allow a certain number of single guys. These clubs thrive on couple's and thus try and limit singles access as much as possible. When I say singles I mean men. A single lady is almost always a guaranteed entry in hopes she is the elusive unicorn. Club 440 is also a decent club. Myself I just don't like the travel time to get there and the fact that it's hard to get a room when you want to play. Single guys are at my last visit welcome but again at a premium and that did limit the number at one time.

Club SinDay. We went there once. This place at the time of opening was for the pretty people. Maybe they have changed now I personally don't know but when they were new you had to be like Brad Pitt and Angela to fit in. They may have changed attitude if they are still open. Most clubs like this don't last if they aren't open to all shapes and sizes.

Bluegrass Connections in Ky. Is another decent club.

There's another in Toledo if you prefer to go north but I don't remember the name. Might be pleasuretime or something like that.

All these clubs have "clicks". If you do decide to visit one My best advice is not to be shy but also don't be over bearing either. If you want to approach a couple approach them when they are together. Don't wait til he goes to the bathroom or to get drinks and approach only her. To do that many times will get you shot down. Sometimes they will come to you and ask you to join them. If you aren't interested in them because she's not your type or whatever the reason be courteous about it. If you piss one couple off you're going to make anyone they know there not interested.

One good play to make is take a good bottle of something with you. Whether you want to drink it or not. Find a group that hangs together and if the res an open seat ask if you can join them. Be willing to share that bottle. Again be a gentleman but outgoing. Talk to everyone and have a good time just being there. One thing for certain whether you get laid or not you will leave laughing. The floor show in itself is fun to watch.

We've seen many singles at these clubs. The wall huggers go home depressed. The gentleman who goes and mingled and learns and has a good time gets lucky. My wife loves 3 sums. But she always picked a guy who was out going. Never once did she pick a wall hugger or someone who was shy. She never not did I ever give a chance to a guy who chatted her up while I was away either. Each couple has their own rules and fantasies. You just have to find the one that works for you. Some couple's like to play together, some don't. Some are looking for unicorns, some soft swap, and others anything goes. Its not hard to determine who's wanting what if you mingle.

I hope this information helps.

Stay safe and have fun!!

Buzz.

[MontyCliff]

I thought I'd post more on the swingers clubs than just my initial quick response. My wife and I are members of Club 101. We have been for many years. We don't go very often anymore as right now she's dealing with the change of life. However we've had the pleasure of going to many clubs here in this state and some out of state as well. Each club has its own clicks and regulars that go almost every weekend. Some clubs welcome "single"men but usually charge them a premium to get in. 101 is this type of Club. Some of the others don't allow single men and others only allow a certain number of single guys. These clubs thrive on couple's and thus try and limit singles access as much as possible. When I say singles I mean men. A single lady is almost always a guaranteed entry in hopes she is the elusive unicorn. Club 440 is also a decent club. Myself I just don't like the travel time to get there and the fact that it's hard to get a room when you want to play. Single guys are at my last visit welcome but again at a premium and that did limit the number at one time.

Club SinDay. We went there once. This place at the time of opening was for the pretty people. Maybe they have changed now I personally don't know but when they were new you had to be like Brad Pitt and Angela to fit in. They may have changed attitude if they are still open. Most clubs like this don't last if they aren't open to all shapes and sizes.

Bluegrass Connections in Ky. Is another decent club.

There's another in Toledo if you prefer to go north but I don't remember the name. Might be pleasuretime or something like that.

All these clubs have "clicks". If you do decide to visit one My best advice is not to be shy but also don't be over bearing either. If you want to approach a couple approach them when they are together. Don't wait til he goes to the bathroom or to get drinks and approach only her. To do that many times will get you shot down. Sometimes they will come to you and ask you to join them. If you aren't interested in them because she's not your type or whatever the reason be courteous about it. If you piss one couple off you're going to make anyone they know there not interested.

One good play to make is take a good bottle of something with you. Whether you want to drink it or not. Find a group that hangs together and if the res an open seat ask if you can join them. Be willing to share that bottle. Again be a gentleman but outgoing. Talk to everyone and have a good time just being there. One thing for certain whether you get laid or not you will leave laughing. The floor show in itself is fun to watch.

We've seen many singles at these clubs. The wall huggers go home depressed. The gentleman who goes and mingled and learns and has a good time gets lucky. My wife loves 3 sums. But she always picked a guy who was out going. Never once did she pick a wall hugger or someone who was shy. She never not did I ever give a chance to a guy who chatted her up while I was away either. Each couple has their own rules and fantasies. You just have to find the one that works for you. Some couple's like to play together, some don't. Some are looking for unicorns, some soft swap, and others anything goes. Its not hard to determine who's wanting what if you mingle.

I hope this information helps.

Stay safe and have fun!!

Buzz.Very good read, thanks for sharing. MC.

[Jmoney69]

Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance!Thanks for the feedback so far everyone. So which club would you recommend / avoid for a couple that is new to the lifestyle but very interested. I understand clicks and that it will be up to us to introduce ourselves which is fine but I literally only have vague ideas what to expect as well as her. What about a guide on attending swing clubs and what to expect when you go. General would be fine but if anyone has almost like an escort review of entering, how the evening went, what happened etc. Again feel free to PM if you would rather.

[BuzzWeiser]

Since you are close and new to the club scene I'd give 101 a shot. Whether you find what you are looking for or not it's always an adventure there none the less. They will give you a pre-membership tour where 440 won't. Biggest rule of the house. No means No, no exceptions. Second biggest rules no cameras or camera phones and no drugs of Any kind. Its BYOB but they do have snacks and mixers and ice and a big ass cooler for your drinks. They have a locker room and showers you can rent a lock or take your own. They have hardcore pork (a lot of older porn) on a few tv's in the place and a pool table. Upstairs there's a couple of play rooms and a message table that can also double as a play spot. The mid section has a dance floor and do (the owner) and there is a pole. There's also seating there but if you go get there early for the better seats. Down to the basement you'll find more play rooms and if they ever got it finished a dungeon room. These rooms have windows if you like to be watched. Or they do have curtains if you don't. They say dress to impress and many of the ladies wear sexy lingerie. Sometimes they change numerous times a night. A few of the males will sometimes run around in boxers or completely naked and you're bound to see naked women too. The owners wife is usually naked 80% of the night. Play rooms are first come first serve and they do have linen racks with clean sheets and towels. Sometimes they run out though. They have theme nights on Saturdays and Fridays are a meet and greet unless it happens to be a holiday. You don't have to dress for the theme night but sometimes it's fun. Most members say Fridays are the best but we've had great times on Saturdays when we go. Other than the few rules I told you pretty much anything else goes. It is not a male bi or gay friendly crowd there. Perfectly acceptable for the women but not men. First time you go if you decide to stay it's 40 a couple I think for a 1 year membership. You must have I'd.

I hope this helps. Should you want to ask more private questions about 101 or even the other clubs feel free to pm me. I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have.

Good luck and have fun.

Buzz.

[TonBug]

What was the name of the one that used to be next to the Barnsider?

[Ho Beau]

What was the name of the one that used to be next to the Barnsider?Who really cares? I think it was the Dayton Swim Club, I. E.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rba0d2oB-4w

[Member #5554]

Who really cares? I think it was the Dayton Swim Club, I. E.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rba0d2oB-4wThat was pretty much just across the street from the Harem on Dixie, prior to the Harem being there, and those of us who were members, do care. A lot of fun was had there.

[TonBug]

This one was on main St, just north of markey.

[PleasureGiver]

This one was on main St, just north of markey.But I do remeber going to one on Salem Ave near Denllinger Road in an old Holiday Health Spa on the left if you were coming from Downtown.

[Member #5554]

But I do remeber going to one on Salem Ave near Denllinger Road in an old Holiday Health Spa on the left if you were coming from Downtown.Oh, you must have had a few, it was on the right coming from downtown on Salem, called Temptations. It was a good spot until the landlord got pissed by somebody and kicked them out. It had a full pool and a big hot tub, good sound system, glory holes, private rooms, pool tables, girls on pool tables, and refreshments. I do not know of any Swinger Clubs on Main St, maybe it was underground & UTR.

[Ho Beau]

So I'm Google-ing around at work today and I run across a link to Ibogaine which I followed and read up on it a little. It is a pshychoative extract from the roots of an African Bush that has amazing properties in the treatment of many forms of chemical addiction. Including alcohol, meth, cocaine and opiates (heroin). It induces a 36-hour "trip" from which addicts return detoxed and with their brain chemistry "reset" to a pre-addiction state so they no longer crave the drug. WOW, it eliminates the physical addiction as well as the mental addiction. Ibogaine is a controlled substance and illegal in the US because no drug company has ponied up the billions it would cost for clinical trials and FDA approval. This is probably because they realize you can't make money if you cure a patient rather than put them in maintenance mode (like methadone Buprenorphine (Suboxone), or Naltrexone. The recidivism rate is very low too. Sounds too good to be true. Maybe this would be a good candidate for one of those executive orders. It seems that it might be more useful that a wall and it would cost a lot less too.

If anyone has any experience with Ibogaine please PM me, I have a friend that could use it. Maybe a few friends.

[Countryboy72]

This one was on main St, just north of markey.That was a glorified whorehouse. They had house chicks and it was a two story big house. It had a bar, and bedrooms you would pay to go in a room for certain amount of time. Get a massage etc. Guy owned a bar in Huber. Nice place. Gypsy was my favorite gal by far.

[CameronB]

Wow. I've only seen bickering like what we're seeing on the Dayton Escort thread typically only on the Cincinnati boards. Then again, the Dayton boards have not been this robust and participatory in a long time either. I'm talking about this conversation here, http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3997-Escort-Reports&p=3319635&viewfull=1#post3319635.

I find it surprising how there are members who criticize other members for being thorough in their reporting. Why not? Even more surprising are the accusations of falsehoods. So what? After a while it's easy to tell the White Knights from the just-the-facts guys. The beauty about this entire forum is how opinions can be freely expressed. In fact, it's amazing. And it fucking free! So why criticize other monger's attempts at a solid report at all? If you don't like wordy posts, ignore them. Or at least PM them yourself. But to criticize someone publicly on this board for taking the extra time after a visit with an SP to hopefully educate the rest of us mongers in terms of what that provider will or won't do, smell or not smell, smoke or not smoke, swallow or not swallow, kiss or whatever, is GOLD! How would any monger here NOT want as much information as possible before making a decision to take the plunge? Where else can we obtain this desperately important information? Yes! It IS important. Then, after enough posts about a provider from various other mongers we can then make our own educated decisions. It amazes me how a monger, much less any senior member, would be so quick to shoot down another senior whose motivation is to be a good community member and responsibly report to the rest of us. WTF?

On the other hand I absolutely admire any monger brave and financially stable enough to TOFTT and not necessarily care whether or not there has been a prior report on the SP. They are my heroes because I'm not as young as I used to be so, no, I'm rarely going to be that TOFTT guy any more. I don't have the stomach for it any more to be honest. So I also believe any monger who performs a TOFTT should absolutely be rewarded with praise from everyone else, too.

So seriously, shame on any monger who would criticize another for reporting in any detail. This is what the forum is for!

My two cents.

Cam.

[Dayton36]

My post on that thread was basically to say the same thing. All of us have different experiences and sharing the details helps us all decide what is true and what is white knighting.


Wow. I've only seen bickering like what we're seeing on the Dayton Escort thread typically only on the Cincinnati boards. Then again, the Dayton boards have not been this robust and participatory in a long time either. I'm talking about this conversation here, http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3997-Escort-Reports&p=3319635&viewfull=1#post3319635.

I find it surprising how there are members who criticize other members for being thorough in their reporting. Why not? Even more surprising are the accusations of falsehoods. So what? After a while it's easy to tell the White Knights from the just-the-facts guys. The beauty about this entire forum is how opinions can be freely expressed. In fact, it's amazing. And it fucking free! So why criticize other monger's attempts at a solid report at all? If you don't like wordy posts, ignore them. Or at least PM them yourself. But to criticize someone publicly on this board for taking the extra time after a visit with an SP to hopefully educate the rest of us mongers in terms of what that provider will or won't do, smell or not smell, smoke or not smoke, swallow or not swallow, kiss or whatever, is GOLD! How would any monger here NOT want as much information as possible before making a decision to take the plunge? Where else can we obtain this desperately important information? Yes! It IS important. Then, after enough posts about a provider from various other mongers we can then make our own educated decisions. It amazes me how a monger, much less any senior member, would be so quick to shoot down another senior whose motivation is to be a good community member and responsibly report to the rest of us. WTF?

On the other hand I absolutely admire any monger brave and financially stable enough to TOFTT and not necessarily care whether or not there has been a prior report on the SP. They are my heroes because I'm not as young as I used to be so, no, I'm rarely going to be that TOFTT guy any more. I don't have the stomach for it any more to be honest. So I also believe any monger who performs a TOFTT should absolutely be rewarded with praise from everyone else, too.

So seriously, shame on any monger who would criticize another for reporting in any detail. This is what the forum is for!

My two cents.

Cam.

[Capsicum]

So I'm Google-ing around at work today and I run across a link to Ibogaine which I followed and read up on it a little. It is a pshychoative extract from the roots of an African Bush that has amazing properties in the treatment of many forms of chemical addiction. Including alcohol, meth, cocaine and opiates (heroin). It induces a 36-hour "trip" from which addicts return detoxed and with their brain chemistry "reset" to a pre-addiction state so they no longer crave the drug. WOW, it eliminates the physical addiction as well as the mental addiction. Ibogaine is a controlled substance and illegal in the US because no drug company has ponied up the billions it would cost for clinical trials and FDA approval. This is probably because they realize you can't make money if you cure a patient rather than put them in maintenance mode (like methadone Buprenorphine (Suboxone), or Naltrexone. The recidivism rate is very low too. Sounds too good to be true. Maybe this would be a good candidate for one of those executive orders. It seems that it might be more useful that a wall and it would cost a lot less too.

If anyone has any experience with Ibogaine please PM me, I have a friend that could use it. Maybe a few friends.I first became aware of Ibogaine at least two years ago when I came across an article about it. As you said, it definitely sounds TGTBT. But all the references and reports were consistent. To the best of my searching and research, there are no treatment centers in the US, for exactly the reasons you state. Have you seen this link? It has a LINKS page with more information. https://www.awakeninginthedream.com/ibogaine.html.

I was interested because a few people close to me were addicts. They had been in and out of rehab. They had been on methadone, and tried Suboxone programs. One ODed and was found by her 12-yr-old child, needle still in her arm. Another ODed more times than I can recall, and finally died from it last summer, about a week after getting out of adult probation, clean. She was found unresponsive by her 6-yr-old a couple of days before the fatal dose. (She was my waaaaay UTR for some time. What a fucking shame that she died because we really liked each other and we spent a lot of time together. I knew her since she was 19.).

You are spot-on with your comment about the money-making aspects of the maintenance programs. It's ridiculous what they charge for Suboxone treatment.

PM me if you want to talk about this more.

[PleasureGiver]

Oh, you must have had a few, it was on the right coming from downtown on Salem, called Temptations. It was a good spot until the landlord got pissed by somebody and kicked them out. It had a full pool and a big hot tub, good sound system, glory holes, private rooms, pool tables, girls on pool tables, and refreshments. I do not know of any Swinger Clubs on Main St, maybe it was underground & UTR.But it was in the old holiday health spa and further up Salem then you're remembering and I'm wrong. Coming from downtown it was on the right, in a strip mall.

[Capsicum]

That was pretty much just across the street from the Harem on Dixie, prior to the Harem being there, and those of us who were members, do care. A lot of fun was had there.That was where DSSC was. Closed a few years ago. I had friends who were members there. There was another called Seekers, located in the basement of the dental clinic down Dixie, near what used to be the traffic circle. What a sweet deal that place was. Several fabulous house girls over the years.

There was another up Main St. , near what used to be Barnsider, pretty close to the old Crab Shack (that may not be the right name, but it's still there under another name). I got the tour there once and did spend some time that day, but never joined. I'm sure there were others around the area too. I remember one near New Carlisle, Park Layne area.

There were a couple in Columbus too. Those were the days!

[Bolo X]

That was where DSSC was. Closed a few years ago. I had friends who were members there. There was another called Seekers, located in the basement of the dental clinic down Dixie, near what used to be the traffic circle. What a sweet deal that place was. Several fabulous house girls over the years.

There was another up Main St. , near what used to be Barnsider, pretty close to the old Crab Shack (that may not be the right name, but it's still there under another name). I got the tour there once and did spend some time that day, but never joined. I'm sure there were others around the area too. I remember one near New Carlisle, Park Layne area.

There were a couple in Columbus too. Those were the days!Myself and and a girlfriend were pretty active in the scene around 15 years ago. We made lots of friends online and at the clubs. Club 101 was our favorite. We became members there shortly after it opened in an old VFW post. They built a new hall for the vets up the street. We were also members at Dayton Swim Club and Temptations.

The clubs tend to have cliques. If you fit in you have a good time. Most couples are looking for other couples, not single men. My girl wouldn't give a single guy the time of day.

Have fun. Be safe.

[PleasureGiver]

Well I guess the whole site now is being censored.

I can't say anything more.

You were not censored, you were muzzled, there's a difference. Why should we tolerate you calling other members a fool? Why should people have to put up with your whiskey fueled argumentative bullshit when you refuse to put it in here.

Stop acting like you are being victimized when in fact you were acting like an asshole and all I did was take out the trash.

A2

[PleasureGiver]

Well I guess the whole site now is being censored.

I can't say anything more.

You were not censored, you were muzzled, there's a difference. Why should we tolerate you calling other members a fool? Why should people have to put up with your whiskey fueled argumentative bullshit when you refuse to put it in here.

Stop acting like you are being victimized when in fact you were acting like an asshole and all I did was take out the trash.

A2I wasn't acting vitimiized, the person called me out on here in way a newbie with 20 posts need to be told the "truth".

You do know that we save the text of the bullshit you post when you do that right?

You weren't ripped off or "robbed".
You were just foolish and wasted your money. Not the same thing."

This is you responding to being "called out" or this is you being a dick responding to somebody posting? If you were "responding to being called out" then you would have been talking about your post and not his.

A2

[PleasureGiver]

I wasn't acting vitimiized, the person called me out on here in way a newbie with 20 posts need to be told the "truth".

You do know that we save the text of the bullshit you post when you do that right?

You weren't ripped off or "robbed".
You were just foolish and wasted your money. Not the same thing."

This is you responding to being "called out" or this is you being a dick responding to somebody posting? If you were "responding to being called out" then you would have been talking about your post and not his.

A2Honestly I think you need to look at EVERYTHING you deleted.

The person basically was trying to say, that because I said I'd doubt about GFE experiences of others, and have not having any of my own he made this silly assumption I must be some super ugly guy who the girls don't like to date, etc.

My post was about letting him understand he was far from the truth.

Maybe you just didn't like how I said it. Fair enough.

[BigJoe6980]

For anyone that actually stepped foot in dayton swim and social club will get a kick out of this picture. I'm sitting here and kid you not the guy that ran it walks up next to me in bar.

In case all of you think I'm full of it here is a Funny classic YouTube video back in 2006 of him giving a tour of DSSC!

https://youtu.be/Rba0d2oB-4w

[Bolo X]

For anyone that actually stepped foot in dayton swim and social club will get a kick out of this picture. I'm sitting here and kid you not the guy that ran it walks up next to me in bar.

In case all of you think I'm full of it here is a Funny classic YouTube video back in 2006 of him giving a tour of DSSC!

https://youtu.be/Rba0d2oB-4wThe video made me very nostalgic for the times my girl and I went there. Like I said in a previous post, we preferred 101, but the swim club was fun too.

[Member #5554]

For anyone that actually stepped foot in dayton swim and social club will get a kick out of this picture. I'm sitting here and kid you not the guy that ran it walks up next to me in bar.

In case all of you think I'm full of it here is a Funny classic YouTube video back in 2006 of him giving a tour of DSSC!

https://youtu.be/Rba0d2oB-4wThat's him alright, the guy with the flashing lights on his dick. Does he still live in Trotwood? Or did you have a chance to talk?

[JustLookInSW]

For anyone that actually stepped foot in dayton swim and social club will get a kick out of this picture. I'm sitting here and kid you not the guy that ran it walks up next to me in bar.

In case all of you think I'm full of it here is a Funny classic YouTube video back in 2006 of him giving a tour of DSSC!

https://youtu.be/Rba0d2oB-4wDude had an epic mullet.

[BgDoc3]

Well I guess the whole site now is being censored.

I can't say anything more.

You were not censored, you were muzzled, there's a difference. Why should we tolerate you calling other members a fool? Why should people have to put up with your whiskey fueled argumentative bullshit when you refuse to put it in here.

Stop acting like you are being victimized when in fact you were acting like an asshole and all I did was take out the trash.

A2Could you MUZZLE my SO for me. Been trying to find a way to do that for years with no sucksess. Have a good weekend, be safe if not name if after me I can't have any but that to has it's benefits LOL Be well.

[DireWolf75]

AKA Big Balls, Inc. The owner there with the mullet. He and brother are 2nd generation oil company owners. Dad built a successful company and left it to the boys upon death. One of the many things this guy did was open / operate Dayton Swim Club. He is not from Dayton. They are from Spfld. I run into him a few times a year sometimes more. I see him at bars and places to eat. I just saw him at O'Charlies with 2 young blondes a while back. It was lunch and they were drinking at the bar.

[SexyMale1]

AKA Big Balls, Inc. The owner there with the mullet. He and brother are 2nd generation oil company owners. Dad built a successful company and left it to the boys upon death. One of the many things this guy did was open / operate Dayton Swim Club. He is not from Dayton. They are from Spfld. I run into him a few times a year sometimes more. I see him at bars and places to eat. I just saw him at O'Charley's with 2 young blondes a while back. It was lunch and they were drinking at the bar.Now he throws parties with the same idea of the Dayton swim club.

[Goodson2000]

There was a shooting, a man stand off on the roof at Dayton Motor Motel on Dixie, locked down the area completely. There was an arrest for a gun point burglary made at Travelers' Motel just up north from it.

It used to be those desperate crimes happened a lot in Dayton in holiday seasons. Now it's year round thing.

[CountryBoy60]

For anyone that actually stepped foot in dayton swim and social club will get a kick out of this picture. I'm sitting here and kid you not the guy that ran it walks up next to me in bar.

In case all of you think I'm full of it here is a Funny classic YouTube video back in 2006 of him giving a tour of DSSC!

https://youtu.be/Rba0d2oB-4wThat's classic. After I got divorced in the late 90's, I was running around with a 20-something gal that loved to go to DSSC and 1470's (that place was a BLAST!) anyway, that video brings back some great memories, thanks!

[CincyHobbist]

There was a shooting, a man stand off on the roof at Dayton Motor Motel on Dixie, locked down the area completely. There was an arrest for a gun point burglary made at Travelers' Motel just up north from it.

It used to be those desperate crimes happened a lot in Dayton in holiday seasons. Now it's year round thing.It just isn't in Dayton! It is happening in small, medium and big towns and cities all across America! Makes me wonder if there is a cure for the stupid crap in our society other then a mass population correction of some sort. (disclaimer: I am not suggesting that someone or entity should turn into a serial killer).

I never thought that I would see what is happening with our Government and society in my life time.

[BuxKA]

This is more of a rant than stupid shit but that's a cincy thread. It's getting pretty bad around here.
UTR Alli. Extended vacation or just off the radar.
UTR Amy. Extended vacation.
UTR Ashley. Off the radar.
Jenna. RIP.
Awnesty. Retired?
Lee Lee (Amanda) - retired.
Stacie - ?
Phoenix. Retired.
Sassy (Cincy) - extended vacation.
Ella Mae (Cincy) - retired.
Colerain Kim (Cincy) - ?

And I can't seem to get Lindsee (Cincy) to text me back even though I supposedly have the right number and we are on good terms. Anyway hoping to have a good dream tomorrow with Jewels and I'll review afterwards.

Rant over.

[Goodson2000]

Phoenix. Retired.Extended vacation.

[LukeCoolHand]

No names mentioned, but I recently saw a provider who, by all appearances and communications, had a great time with me. I left early, and tipped well.

This same provider came to my neck of the woods this week (I went to her previously), and we made arrangements for a day and time.

Crickets an hour before, and no communication since.

Ladies, you won't build regulars acting like this! FYI!

[BigDaddyHappy]

Let's face it, gentlemen, it's just about all gone to Hell around here recently. I have no idea what the problem is, but Damn! You've got the 'time wasters' - make your appointment, get close and crickets (and that's IF you can get ahold of them in the first place), the 'fakes' -ads that take you to dating sites, etc. , the 'rip off queens' -nuff said on them, the 'junkies' -nuff said on them, the 'GPS' girls (I'm sorry but I'm not giving a snooty, unreviewed, BBW 3 an hour no matter WHAT she claims she can do), and let's not forget the 'hood rats' - potentially decent girls covered in home made / prison tats (nothing against decent tats) and talking / dressing / acting like they just got out of the joint. This hobby has turned into a chore just to sort through them trying to find a decent provider! Ugh! Thankfully, we do still have a few (and I do mean few) decent, solid providers out there, but they're getting scarce. Thank you to all of the contributing members here, as well as the admins. Ok, rant over.

[AlphaDiesel]

Let's face it, gentlemen, it's just about all gone to Hell around here recently. I have no idea what the problem is, but Damn! You've got the 'time wasters' - make your appointment, get close and crickets (and that's IF you can get ahold of them in the first place), the 'fakes' -ads that take you to dating sites, etc. , the 'rip off queens' -nuff said on them, the 'junkies' -nuff said on them, the 'GPS' girls (I'm sorry but I'm not giving a snooty, unreviewed, BBW 3 an hour no matter WHAT she claims she can do), and let's not forget the 'hood rats' - potentially decent girls covered in home made / prison tats (nothing against decent tats) and talking / dressing / acting like they just got out of the joint. This hobby has turned into a chore just to sort through them trying to find a decent provider! Ugh! Thankfully, we do still have a few (and I do mean few) decent, solid providers out there, but they're getting scarce. Thank you to all of the contributing members here, as well as the admins. Ok, rant over.Starting to see more and more posts like these lately. I made one similar in the AMP section. I used to be all about AMPs but I'm bored with it and the selection has gone to just a couple between Dayton and Cincy combined. I'm probably stupid but I've been slow rolling the strip club game, trying to get something going there that I can possibly share here and open up some new doors.

[Goodson2000]

I don't want to be argumentative or start a shit storm, but there is such a thing as a thousand dollar pussy.
There are guys in this market willing and able to pay that.
It may not be your cup of tea, but for some it is. Deal with it!I never have any issues with high priced escorts. It's their business. If it is sustainable (very important), good for them. I know a girl who charges $1500 per session here in Dayton. There is a market. Everyone's budget is different.

Personally I'd rather meet 50 women /150 dates a year. I spend $$+ often in a week. But I wouldn't like to spend $$+ for one date often any more because I don't want to fuck once and sit at home rest of the week. I want to fuck all the time. (my preference. I'm not arguing my way is better or anything).

And seriously, $$, $$$ escorts' pussy is nothing different from the budget friendly UTR's. Difference is marketing skills. Not the products.

[BuckeyeGuy5]

Sorry I haven't responded to all the PM's I received. I've been on the road and sideref's stupid shit has receded into the background for me. I offered to out him, but A2 provided some good advice. Plus dickface has stopped responding or pissing me off.

Anyway, I'd recommend staying away from him and the house. He says he's videotaping visitors, and if that bugs you, then you should definitely not visit. Just for those that jump sites, they are over at Indys these days.

She is under the handle: BrownEyedBrooke and he is username benjam. I know. He's her first review and always adds something to a new review. Right?Thanks for the info and would still like to know if she resurfaces. Always had a good time with her when I was in the area. I need to look for a replacement for when I'm in town. .

[Goodson2000]

I hate it. But my lovely UTR showed up with her hair half shaved, another half short. Last summer it was terrible. So many women started doing that. It's getting warm again and probably we will see it more again. I would like to boycott them all.

UTR usually means great in this hobby. But it doesn't work well against this phenomenon. I can't boycott my UTR who's been good to me. Deep UTRs are like a half-way GF. I can't break whole relationship up just because she cut / shaved her hair. But still I don't like it. I love women. I'm not interested in cute boys, and she looks like them. I complained, rather weakly. I'm not sure she got my message. Smh.

[TheDaytimer]

I hate it. But my lovely UTR showed up with her hair half shaved, another half short. Last summer it was terrible. So many women started doing that. It's getting warm again and probably we will see it more again. I would like to boycott them all.

UTR usually means great in this hobby. But it doesn't work well against this phenomenon. I can't boycott my UTR who's been good to me. Deep UTRs are like a half-way GF. I can't break whole relationship up just because she cut / shaved her hair. But still I don't like it. I love women. I'm not interested in cute boys, and she looks like them. I complained, rather weakly. I'm not sure she got my message. Smh.I love shaved hair. As long as it is between her legs.

[Goodson2000]

I love shaved hair. As long as it is between her legs.Do ya? I like variety, from baby clean shaved to bush. I met a young girl with full bush. It reminds me of 80's porn on VHS tapes.

[Terak0306]

You guys ever read boards in other states and cities? Apparently this gem can be had PSE for the low price of $$. God I hate ohio.

[Westy0311]

Who the hell is she?


You guys ever read boards in other states and cities? Apparently this gem can be had PSE for the low price of $$. God I hate ohio.

[Terak0306]

Who the hell is she?Some chick in Cali.

[BigMack]

Most of you do a good job of communication and interacting with mongers. However there are a chosen few who are still trying to figure it out.

I sent an email today to two ladies on this board, one with her email on her USASG profile one with a REPLY button on it. Have yet to hear from either. If you put the email on your site or ask us to text or hit the communications button TRY READING your contacts. No offense meant but if you take the time to help us with email or a reply button and we take the time to respond it could be a win win for us both. Have a good rest of the week ladies and thanks for reading.

[JustLookInSW]

Do ya? I like variety, from baby clean shaved to bush. I met a young girl with full bush. It reminds me of 80's porn on VHS tapes.Sorry, G2. I'm going the other way on this one.

I dig a neat trim or the Mr. Clean.

Turns me off when a regular won't maintain the hedges because their other regulars like the Jerry Garcia.

I've seen some young girls with the full Bush.

It's disturbing.

I don't think nostalgic porn so much as rabid feral cat.

But, to each their own.

[Goodson2000]

Sorry, G2. I'm going the other way on this one.

I dig a neat trim or the Mr. Clean.

Turns me off when a regular won't maintain the hedges because their other regulars like the Jerry Garcia.

I've seen some young girls with the full Bush.

It's disturbing.

I don't think nostalgic porn so much as rabid feral cat.

But, to each their own.I respect everyone's preference. I like baby clean pussy too!

Full Bush is a dying breed. Idk about civilian women, but in my experience with providers in Dayton area, I estimate that untrimmed is well less than 5%. (=Less than 1 in 20. If anyone has different opinion on this, let me know. I want to see your bushy UTRs!) The majority were shaved. It is not difficult for you to avoid "disturbing" furry young ladies.

I, a conservationist of natural Bush young women, wish all mongers to help this endangered species to survive. You don't need to like them. You don't need to feed them. You may even hate them. Just don't visit and tell them to shave / trim it LOL! Seriously, it has happened in this area for real.

BTW, probably my least favorite is shaved with nicks and cuts from razor. It IS disturbing IMO because it is not safe and can be health hazardous with blood-borne diseases she may be carrying.

[Strwbrysweets]

Let's face it, gentlemen, it's just about all gone to Hell around here recently. I have no idea what the problem is, but Damn! You've got the 'time wasters' - make your appointment, get close and crickets (and that's IF you can get ahold of them in the first place), the 'fakes' -ads that take you to dating sites, etc. , the 'rip off queens' -nuff said on them, the 'junkies' -nuff said on them, the 'GPS' girls (I'm sorry but I'm not giving a snooty, unreviewed, BBW 3 an hour no matter WHAT she claims she can do), and let's not forget the 'hood rats' - potentially decent girls covered in home made / prison tats (nothing against decent tats) and talking / dressing / acting like they just got out of the joint. This hobby has turned into a chore just to sort through them trying to find a decent provider! Ugh! Thankfully, we do still have a few (and I do mean few) decent, solid providers out there, but they're getting scarce. Thank you to all of the contributing members here, as well as the admins. Ok, rant over.It sucks you guys have to do so much work. I contribute that mostly to the epidemic that is going on in our area. It really is sad and pulls at my heart strings for my "competitors" sake. I guarantee that any monger who as contacted me has received the "crickets" effect. But its because I'm at work Monday-Friday 8 am-5 pm. Then after that, I still have my priorities in place with motherhood. I really hate to disappoint but for me there are still things that are more important to me than checking my phone. A genuine question: does that contribute to your persuasion to see a provider or not? I have "retired" more than once because I am not readily available and hate to disappoint. I am also not a spinner by any means and felt that there is no room for someone like myself in the business. Yet I still hold customer service in my highest regards when the availability is there and provide the best GFE possible.

-Bigdaddyhappy you really do deserve a happy experience. I'll never forget our in depth theology conversation on my back patio.

[BigDaddyHappy]

You, my dear.

Have got to be one of my all time favorites. My time spent with you was a beautiful breath of fresh air (I think you may have ruined me a little, honestly! LOL). I'm still hopeful that we WILL one day make it happen again! Thank you!


It sucks you guys have to do so much work. I contribute that mostly to the epidemic that is going on in our area. It really is sad and pulls at my heart strings for my "competitors" sake. I guarantee that any monger who as contacted me has received the "crickets" effect. But its because I'm at work Monday-Friday 8 am-5 pm. Then after that, I still have my priorities in place with motherhood. I really hate to disappoint but for me there are still things that are more important to me than checking my phone. A genuine question: does that contribute to your persuasion to see a provider or not? I have "retired" more than once because I am not readily available and hate to disappoint. I am also not a spinner by any means and felt that there is no room for someone like myself in the business. Yet I still hold customer service in my highest regards when the availability is there and provide the best GFE possible.

-Bigdaddyhappy you really do deserve a happy experience. I'll never forget our in depth theology conversation on my back patio..

[Sad Sack]

You guys ever read boards in other states and cities? Apparently this gem can be had PSE for the low price of $$. God I hate ohio.That's all one can say about that.

[FootMan2007]

Was thinking about this the other day. Why so many white women have ads, and yet there are so few minorities who do. You almost never see black, Latina or Asian people advertising. Just find it funny.

[MotoGib1]

Was thinking about this the other day. Why so many white women have ads, and yet there are so few minorities who do. You almost never see black, Latina or Asian people advertising. Just find it funny.Lots of Latina women in Fla.

[Howard T Duck]

Was thinking about this the other day. Why so many white women have ads, and yet there are so few minorities who do. You almost never see black, Latina or Asian people advertising. Just find it funny.If any of you are holding out on any Service Providers of african decent, UTR or just low volume. (or even a site where I can find more ads of previous mentioned providers) Preferably 20 something, but if she preforms well and fits the body type age isn't a deal breaker I prefer petite to athletic and maybe just on the thinner side of thick.

[Terak0306]

Was thinking about this the other day. Why so many white women have ads, and yet there are so few minorities who do. You almost never see black, Latina or Asian people advertising. Just find it funny.Was told once that black girls are smart enough to stay away from the H. Idk why this is but you don't see heroin tearing up young black women like it does white girls.

[Sportster2005]

I respect everyone's preference. I like baby clean pussy too!

Full Bush is a dying breed. Idk about civilian women, but in my experience with providers in Dayton area, I estimate that untrimmed is well less than 5%. (=Less than 1 in 20. If anyone has different opinion on this, let me know. I want to see your bushy UTRs!) The majority were shaved. It is not difficult for you to avoid "disturbing" furry young ladies.

I, a conservationist of natural Bush young women, wish all mongers to help this endangered species to survive. You don't need to like them. You don't need to feed them. You may even hate them. Just don't visit and tell them to shave / trim it LOL! Seriously, it has happened in this area for real.

BTW, probably my least favorite is shaved with nicks and cuts from razor. It IS disturbing IMO because it is not safe and can be health hazardous with blood-borne diseases she may be carrying.I myself like the full Bush, unshaved pits, legs, etc. , Zoey Zacquery for instance.

[Goodson2000]

I wanted to reply to you, HB but I think I rather not continue this subject on SW thread.

I hate dope. And I hate dope run. I hate dope run before the date. I hate dope run after the date. I don't like it in a house. I do not like it with a mouse. I do not like it here or there. I don't like it anywhere.

Plus, you are committing misdemeanor 1st degree or felony 5th. It may rattle your safe and predictable world. (simple mongering is M3. Likely assigned to johns school plus a few hundred bucks, not much more than that).

Having said that, I had done it sometimes. I shouldn't but I had.

Before date, I won't do that any more. No merit. (I have seen that scene. It was interesting but not for me. Is it fun to witness she likes dope far more than your sex?) Plus it's a pay-upfront. It is against the mongering code. I obey the mongering code more than I do to traffic laws.


I've taken girls to see their "dope boy" before a date, not because it was the smart think to do but because I wanted the excitement associated with the risk of living in that world for a few minutes. Also, I had never seen a junkie shoot up and wanted to see that first hand and watch as their pain was replaced with pleasure. Then I would fuck the shit out of them and come back to my safe and predictable world.

The first time I picked up a streetwalker I enjoyed the thrill "of the chase". Now I've largely out grown that, but for a while it was fun. A lot of fun.

Everything is a trade-off and I would never advise anyone to do the things I've done and gotten away with. But, when they nail my coffin shut, I will be able to say "I did it", and I would hate to leave this world without being able to say that. Even if no one but me will hear it.

[RegulatorD]

Not only a F5 but the can impound and keep / take your car. Don't do it!

[BigDaddyHappy]

That woman is sooooo fine.

I'm super depressed that she is semi retired in Mumbai. That's going to be one helluva road trip for a booty call!


I myself like the full Bush, unshaved pits, legs, etc. , Zoey Zacquery for instance.

[BusHunter69]

I myself like the full Bush, unshaved pits, legs, etc. , Zoey Zacquery for instance.I absolutely love a nice big 70's style Bush. If you see a girl with one tell her how much you love it. They need to know that some people still love the Bush. Actually it more and more everyday.

[ThomasPaine]

MwJrp is clearly a monger guru. I don't think anyone has posted as much valuable honest intel over the years than he. And I just noticed his last report here was his #4000!

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3995-Streetwalker-Reports&p=3409951&viewfull=1#post3409951

Is there anyone else in the USASG ecosystem with more posts? Just curious. Anyway, congrats MwJrp!

Tommy.

[Ho Beau]

It's midnight and I get a text from a girl I've seen some time back. So, I call and she is in tears and needs $50 for a room. I think no big deal, its only $50, and I might enjoy a piece of ass for cheap and feel like a good samaritan to boot. Then, like an expert fisherman, she sets the hook. Her sister is stranded in KY at a gas station because her POS BF kicked her out of the car on I75. (Insert "Sob, sob, sob, cry, cry, cry") So, I offer to drive to KY and rescuing the sister, which I did. I drop the sister off at their notel and proceed to "comfort" my girl. Well, it turns out a 'friend' dropped by to see her while I was on the road and OD in her room. NOT HER SHIT, she assured me (like that makes it OK), and he pissed her bed. This leads to a room-by-room inventory of the wh0 res, drug dealers and misfits, that populate that wing of the notel. If it wasn't so damn tragic, it would be funny. As she was an emotional wreck, and I was completely exhausted and found the thought of fucking her in a piss soaked bed completely beyond consideration, I decided to head home and try to get a couple of hours sleep before by 8 AM business appointment. She, of course did promise me a "free-fuck" when ever I wanted it. Which on a SW timeline has already long been forgotten. And that is probably as it should be, because I figure that "free-fuck" probably cost me at least $300, and I best just lick my wounds and forget it ever happened.

I did, however, learn some new terminology. The girl in the room next to hers (who also is in this profession) smokes TWEAK while the dope-boy on the other side smokes HARD. TWEAK = Meth. HARD = crack. My bad, I didn't know that.

I guess the moral of the story is: don't let your little head do the thinking. Or maybe, embrace you own stupidity. Or something like that.

BTW, she made me promise not to name her or the notel, though it is a familiar location that many of us have visited.

[Countryboy72]

It's midnight and I get a text from a girl I've seen some time back. So, I call and she is in tears and needs $50 for a room. I think no big deal, its only $50, and I might enjoy a piece of ass for cheap and feel like a good samaritan to boot. Then, like an expert fisherman, she sets the hook. Her sister is stranded in KY at a gas station because her POS BF kicked her out of the car on I75. (Insert "Sob, sob, sob, cry, cry, cry") So, I offer to drive to KY and rescuing the sister, which I did. I drop the sister off at their notel and proceed to "comfort" my girl. Well, it turns out a 'friend' dropped by to see her while I was on the road and OD in her room. NOT HER SHIT, she assured me (like that makes it OK), and he pissed her bed. This leads to a room-by-room inventory of the wh0 res, drug dealers and misfits, that populate that wing of the notel. If it wasn't so damn tragic, it would be funny. As she was an emotional wreck, and I was completely exhausted and found the thought of fucking her in a piss soaked bed completely beyond consideration, I decided to head home and try to get a couple of hours sleep before by 8 AM business appointment. She, of course did promise me a "free-fuck" when ever I wanted it. Which on a SW timeline has already long been forgotten. And that is probably as it should be, because I figure that "free-fuck" probably cost me at least $300, and I best just lick my wounds and forget it ever happened.

I did, however, learn some new terminology. The girl in the room next to hers (who also is in this profession) smokes TWEAK while the dope-boy on the other side smokes HARD. TWEAK = Meth. HARD = crack. My bad, I didn't know that.

I guess the moral of the story is: don't let your little head do the thinking. Or maybe, embrace you own stupidity. Or something like that.

BTW, she made me promise not to name her or the notel, though it is a familiar location that many of us have visited.Thanks for sharing and giving us the new words of the day. It's like I just read pee wees playhouse monger version. I think I would of hit that after I gave her room money then go get sis. Or get at least a Hummer for the road. Not driving to ky w a full nut sack. That's above and beyond.

[Cartog]

I just thought I would post a short rant on a couple of pet peeves of mind.

There are many posters in this forum that either confuse or don't know the difference between "ad" versus "add". Ad is short for advertisement. Add is what you do in math when totaling or adding multiple items. What amazes me, I see some of the same guys with hundreds of posts continuing to use add instead of ad when they are referring to advertisements.

Another pet peeve of mind is when guys start their posts with "I had a dream" or describe their encounters in terms of a dream. I assume they do this for legal reasons but not really sure.

Thanks for reading my stupid rant.

[Ho Beau]

I just thought I would post a short rant on a couple of pet peeves of mind.

There are many posters in this forum that either confuse or don't know the difference between "ad" versus "add". Ad is short for advertisement. Add is what you do in math when totaling or adding multiple items. What amazes me, I see some of the same guys with hundreds of posts continuing to use add instead of ad when they are referring to advertisements.

Another pet peeve of mind is when guys start their posts with "I had a dream" or describe their encounters in terms of a dream. I assume they do this for legal reasons but not really sure.

Thanks for reading my stupid rant.First I don't know if I misuse ad / add or not. Sometimes I read my own posts a day later and find mistakes I can't believe I've made. I do try, I assure you, and I know I screw up. BUT. . . .

If you were to evaluate mongers based on their posts, most would fail 5th grade spelling / punctuation / grammar. Many would qualify as illiterate. The sad thing is, I am terrible at all of the above. I'm a techie type and all through school, college, and grad schools I shunned those skills as unnecessary. Of course, I was bad at them, but I was sure it was a waste of time. WRONG. Everyone, and I mean everyone needs to communicate and accurate communication is tough. It is made harder by the misuse of or improper use of language. Some of the texts I get (now this is mostly from sex workers) is unintelligible. I have to guess at what I think they mean. Fortunately, I am guided by the simplicity of the message - "Do you want to fuck me, Yes or No" And the little head makes the big decisions and is not upset by the poor language skills of my potential bed-mates. But I am. It truly drives me fucking crazy. And for me, that is a real short trip.

[Goodson2000]

https://dayton.craigslist.org/cas/6171145020.html

Because it will be flagged soon, I paste a copy of what it says:

"I have a think for cops. Probably because of my dad. If you're a police officer and can prove it, I'll suck your dick and let you cum in my mouth as many times as you can. This is for real. 24 yo thin body".

Hurry! LOL.

[BillBut52]

https://dayton.craigslist.org/cas/6171145020.html

Because it will be flagged soon, I paste a copy of what it says:

"I have a think for cops. Probably because of my dad. If you're a police officer and can prove it, I'll suck your dick and let you cum in my mouth as many times as you can. This is for real. 24 yo thin body".

Hurry! LOL.So just what is the protocol for the LEO check?

[Ho Beau]

So just what is the protocol for the LEO check?A LEO check is when you test the girl by fucking her in all three orifices and leaving a load in at least two of them. JK.

[Westy0311]

I almost thought that you were speaking of marriage.


A LEO check is when you test the girl by fucking her in all three orifices and leaving a load in at least two of them. JK.

[Ho Beau]

I almost thought that you were speaking of marriage.Yes, grasshopper, I can see why you are confused. You see, marriage is where you fuck her once, then she fucks you over for the rest of your life. Very similar but the slight difference is important to learn.

[CincyKayak]

Gentlemen,

It seems even BP has dried up at least temporarily. Is something going on in the Gem? I do see the ones posting that are there every single day but most seem to have gone underground at the moment. Am I missing something? Just curious.

Be safe.

Buzz.I recently saw a segment on one of the major network's morning shows about the H epidemic in Ohio. They were in Montgomery county talking to people. They spoke with the sheriff and a incarcerated lady in the detox unit. Our least favorite uncle has amped up efforts this year, as we all know, this national spotlight will likely bring more pressure and resources into the area, if it hasn't already.

Also, its getting hot outside so violence increases which means more effort by you know who.

Just my two cents.

[Bdirect]

I recently saw a segment on one of the major network's morning shows about the H epidemic in Ohio. They were in Montgomery county talking to people. They spoke with the sheriff and a incarcerated lady in the detox unit. Our least favorite uncle has amped up efforts this year, as we all know, this national spotlight will likely bring more pressure and resources into the area, if it hasn't already.

Also, its getting hot outside so violence increases which means more effort by you know who.

Just my two cents.Dayton is number 1 in USA ratings,. Sad.

[TonBug]

It's clear now, sorry.

[TheDaytimer]

I was asked to copy this from the Cincinnati forum by DGoesDown, a Sr member about another female in need.

One of our retired favorites has been diagnosed with stage two cervical and ovarian cancer. She is currently going through six months of chemotherapy and radiation. She is two months into it and had to take a medical leave of absence from a job she has been at for less than a year.

She doesn't receive FMLA and isn't eligible for vacation so this has caused her hardships and delinquencies in her efforts to meet her financial obligations.

One of the SR Cincinnati mongers has been in contact with her and helping when he has extra funds. This is in no way scam but rather a temporary hand up until she is through this and back on her feet.

If you are in a position of unselfishness and able to help in any way, please contact user DGoesDown and he will give you the necessary information.

[LuvinCurves79]

I'm not one to judge on how different people get their enjoyment with these providers. However, if your idea of fun is setting up an appointment and having her show up to a hotel you are not actually in, its best that you don't do so from your company landline. Now you have an upset provider and she knows where you work. Not my idea of fun, but maybe the rush of getting caught is a thing. Stay safe.

LC79.

[ProVid]

I have seen a number of the ladies that post on BP. I know many other mongers have too. We have all run into junkies I'm sure, if you haven't you've been lucky. From those I have personally seen only a few have been on the junk. Sure theres been a few who use other means of getting high but for the most part the majority arent on the junk. I won't repeat with the ones on junk. If they smoke weed or drink I don't have an issue. This is not only in Dayton but I play in the Cincy market as well. For anyone to say they are all junkies you are sadly mistaken. Its either that or you have bad taste and just pick the wrong ones.

Stay safe.

Buzz.If you could set them up for us, I promise you we could knock them down for you. Since you've been peddling your wares here with your UTRs, you clearly have an agenda.

[Dayton36]

If you could set them up for us, I promise you we could knock them down for you. Since you've been peddling your wares here with your UTRs, you clearly have an agenda.Since when is sharing info on UTRs with other seniors considered "peddling wares"? It is a tradition that I personally appreciate. In this hobby we spend a lot of time vetting, I personally love when I can get info from a trusted senior and skip a great deal of that vetting (not all of it). Your original comment in the other section was anecdotal at best and ignorant at worst. As with any profession there are good and bad workers. There are people who are on the junk and some who are legitimately just using what they have to make more than they would working a 9-5. If everyone you run into is on the junk maybe try changing your vetting or selection process a little because the problem isn't that the clean ones aren't out there.

[John Cleland]

In response to Hotdog's post from the Stripclub thread here:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3996-Strip-Club-Reports&p=3468076&viewfull=1#post3468076

First, a disclaimer: none of my opinions of Eric were formed based on first-hand exposure to him. I've never met him but have, of course, seen him numerous times at Dayton's best overall strip club. And if that disqualifies me here per A2 then please delete. However, my sources were only as far as the sources themselves: the dancers (as I've known way more than most solely based on my occupation as opposed to any hobbying). And to preserve my vocation in those years not too long ago, I've never succumbed to tempation to perform takeout with a stripper working at a strip club I may have done business with. Maybe they confided in me the way they did was because I never tried to fuck them.

And I, too, believe Eric is a scumbag manger.

As a myriad of dancers who both used to work at Cheeks and who currently do have told me the same story, and without going into specifics (because I'm sure A2 would not permit specifics about why people may believe Eric is, indeed, a scumbag manger) I'm curious how many other board members would be willing to chime-in by at least clicking to post a reply to this post:

Do you also believe Eric is a scumbag manager because a dancer told you a story about Eric?

I'm darned curious.

Mongernator.

[HotDog0007]

In response to Hotdog's post from the Stripclub thread here:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3996-Strip-Club-Reports&p=3468076&viewfull=1#post3468076

First, a disclaimer: none of my opinions of Eric were formed based on first-hand exposure to him. I've never met him but have, of course, seen him numerous times at Dayton's best overall strip club. And if that disqualifies me here per A2 then please delete. However, my sources were only as far as the sources themselves: the dancers (as I've known way more than most solely based on my occupation as opposed to any hobbying). And to preserve my vocation in those years not too long ago, I've never succumbed to tempation to perform takeout with a stripper working at a strip club I may have done business with. Maybe they confided in me the way they did was because I never tried to fuck them.

And I, too, believe Eric is a scumbag manger.

As a myriad of dancers who both used to work at Cheeks and who currently do have told me the same story, and without going into specifics (because I'm sure A2 would not permit specifics about why people may believe Eric is, indeed, a scumbag manger) I'm curious how many other board members would be willing to chime-in by at least clicking to post a reply to this post:

Do you also believe Eric is a scumbag manager because a dancer told you a story about Eric?

I'm darned curious.

Mongernator.Heard from many more than one. Some that I have chatted with regularly. You already know how I feel about the situation.

[KnottyWood]

Heard from many more than one. Some that I have chatted with regularly. You already know how I feel about the situation.Over the years I have the same story about Erick's backroom shenanigans from a lot of different girls, only one girl that I have met at cheeks said that he never bothered her. I know that there have probably been others who did not get the invite to the backroom just as there is probably more that have. I'm surprised that he can get away with this for as long as he has.

[Howard T Duck]

Any thoughts on this?

[Goodson2000]

I do celebrate my regulars birthdays. I reward them on the occasions. All my regulars are great girls, and I'm happy to be around. I show my appreciation.

But what does a BP girl want me to do on her birthday? Just because I called her for the first time on her birthday, why I have to give her extra Jackson? I will call her again tomorrow, when it is not her birthday.

[Congo99]

I do celebrate my regulars birthdays. I reward them on the occasions. All my regulars are great girls, and I'm happy to be around. I show my appreciation.

But what does a BP girl want me to do on her birthday? Just because I called her for the first time on her birthday, why I have to give her extra Jackson? I will call her again tomorrow, when it is not her birthday.Which BP girl are you talking about?

[Ho Beau]

This is ancient history, but I wanted to share my one tantra experience.

I had a trip to Las Vegas several years back and researched the crap out of providers. I lined up different girls for different nights and wanted one to be a tantra specialist. The girl I picked had the most spectacular body that I've ever seen. She was a spinner, but she was also super toned, tanned, healthy, and gorgeous. I would liken her to Kelly Ripa, though I've never seen Kelly naked so I can't really be that sure. I signed up for a two hour session and dropped a bundle, a few hundred bucks which in those days was a lot of money. I envisioned a sex marathon with mind blowing orgasms. NO. It was all spiritual, enjoyable enough, but not what I had in mind. I left with one of the worst cases of blue balls that I've had since high school. I had to pickup some street meat and feed her a couple loads of lust just to be able to walk upright. Odd thing is, I still remember a lot the details: her scent, the melodic music that was playing, the flicker of the candles, the color of her sarong and the way it did not hide her curves, and so on. So, I guess there was some redeeming value to the encounter.

[Charlie18]

By that measure we should get free or $5 BJs on our birthdays. Let them hop in, get to your spot and say hey it's my birthday! What freebie or huge discount do I get? Bet it won't go over that well!


I do celebrate my regulars birthdays. I reward them on the occasions. All my regulars are great girls, and I'm happy to be around. I show my appreciation.

But what does a BP girl want me to do on her birthday? Just because I called her for the first time on her birthday, why I have to give her extra Jackson? I will call her again tomorrow, when it is not her birthday.

[Goodson2000]

I noticed some white powdery substance on the passenger seat after I dropped off my beautiful friend.

I remembered the news earlier this year that a cop ODed with fentanyl. He found a white powder on his uniform and he touched it with his hand. Just like that. The moral of the story: what doesn't kill you makes cops dead. Or me dead.

It was small amount on the seat. It could be a powder sugar from anther passenger's donuts. I knew it is very unlikely it is anywhere close to pure form of fentanyl even it was from her belongings somehow. But. I took an extra caution. Vacuum cleaner might make it airborne, may worsen the situation. I ran the google search before I attack the problem.

Mongering is fun. Things around mongering are not as fun.

[DaytonSteve]

I noticed some white powdery substance on the passenger seat after I dropped off my beautiful friend.

I remembered the news earlier this year that a cop ODed with fentanyl. He found a white powder on his uniform and he touched it with his hand. Just like that. The moral of the story: what doesn't kill you makes cops dead. Or me dead.

It was small amount on the seat. It could be a powder sugar from anther passenger's donuts. I knew it is very unlikely it is anywhere close to pure form of fentanyl even it was from her belongings somehow. But. I took an extra caution. Vacuum cleaner might make it airborne, may worsen the situation. I ran the google search before I attack the problem.

Mongering is fun. Things around mongering are not as fun.You can get generic narcan from cvs for 13 bucks. Might be worthwhile. Also you can get it free downtown if you take a class.

https://www.goodrx.com/naloxone (coupon for cvs).

Free Narcan and class. Click on "list of project dawn sites in ohio".

http://www.odh.ohio.gov/health/vipp/drug/ProjectDAWN.aspx

Everyone be careful, stay safe.

[Goodson2000]

You can get generic narcan from cvs for 13 bucks. Might be worthwhile. Also you can get it free downtown if you take a class.

https://www.goodrx.com/naloxone (coupon for cvs).

Free Narcan and class. Click on "list of project dawn sites in ohio".

http://www.odh.ohio.gov/health/vipp/drug/ProjectDAWN.aspx

Everyone be careful, stay safe.Thanks. I urged a few beautiful friends of mine (who is intelligent enough) to attend the class and get one. I know at least one actually went. According to her, they won't ask your real name.

[TalentedMan]

Am I the only one who noticed that multiple girls are using the same name, such as Ashley. In Cincy there are way too many Brooklyn's. How are we supposed to stay safe? A girl can wreck the name of a well known provider by using her name. All I do is just skip these girls.

Just wanted to rant about some stoopid shit.

[Sirens Sing]

Am I the only one who noticed that multiple girls are using the same name, such as Ashley. In Cincy there are way too many Brooklyn's. How are we supposed to stay safe? A girl can wreck the name of a well known provider by using her name. All I do is just skip these girls.

Just wanted to rant about some stoopid shit.Most of us mongers have probably noticed the lack of creativity of names. You may have partially answered the question why when you said they may be wrecking the name of a well known provider. They may be doing that on purpose and / or they may be doing it to catch the overflow of the well know provider. Also, they may be using worn out names to make tracking of them more difficult.

[Ho Beau]

Most of us mongers have probably noticed the lack of creativity of names. You may have partially answered the question why when you said they may be wrecking the name of a well known provider. They may be doing that on purpose and / or they may be doing it to catch the overflow of the well know provider. Also, they may be using worn out names to make tracking of them more difficult.You may be overthinking it.

Maybe the girls just lack creativity. Very few have a vocabulary greater than a fifth grader.

The idea of a clearing house for wh0 res has been floated. But when a girl can't answer her fucking phone it is unlikely she would or could "clear" a name either.

[TalentedMan]

You may be overthinking it.

Maybe the girls just lack creativity. Very few have a vocabulary greater than a fifth grader.

The idea of a clearing house for wh0 res has been floated. But when a girl can't answer her fucking phone it is unlikely she would or could "clear" a name either.Good Point!

[RegulatorD]

Anybody use this place? Rates are around $50. Use to be a big name hotel. Seems a 1000 times better than Plaza and the other cheap northside options.

[DaytonSteve]

Anybody use this place? Rates are around $50. Use to be a big name hotel. Seems a 1000 times better than Plaza and the other cheap northside options.I've been there a few times to see a friend who no longer is there. It's dumpy and the pool is drained but perfectly adequate. Nobody ever bothered us but I've never been there at night only during the day.

[John Cleland]

Mongering in our hobby is an exercise in calculated risk. The obvious risks revolve around legality, of course. The other obvious risk is reputation in the event you get caught by whomever you don't want to find out. And, of course, there are financial risks such as not receiving service. Does anyone pay up-front anymore?

Which brings me to parallels between mongering and gambling. Experience is our best education when it comes to hopefully learning what not to do in either situation. Don't show your cards in a poker game. Don't bet against a blackjack dealer showing an ace. Don't enter a hotel room without first checking the shower in addition to closets for "roommates. " Don't discuss an act or fees until after your pickup gets in the car and you've done the checks after you've driven away from the pickup scene. Etc.

But even in gambling we break our own experience-spawned rules either just to see what might happen or because that "stupid" DNA strand in your genes decided to manifest itself for a moment. Hopefully, you know not to make such a gamble without willingness to lose it all. Same in mongering. If you're not prepared to lose what's in your pocket even when you don't receive what you expected, you're in the wrong hobby. At some point or another, we all experience a loss (and hopefully learn from it). I can't count the number of times I've scheduled with a provider only to hear upon arrival, "sorry, my period just started" while she's standing over the bathroom trash can filled with tampon wrappers from days ago.

In my case I gambled that my UTR had earned the small loan I gave her yesterday in expectation she would be ready for me as she desperately promised she would be for me this morning. She's been great about sticking to plans made even days in advance. So, and based on experience with her, I had no reason to expect otherwise. So I woke up early as planned, texted to confirm as planned, and of course: crickets. We even had a backup plan in case her alarm didn't awaken her where I would call if no text reply. Crickets, crickets, and more crickets for the rest of the morning (I stop calling after the third 15 minute interval). And now, hours later still filled with crickets, I'm done. Next. Her loss, too because I had a big tip waiting for her as I always do in reward for waking up early. Alas. And it's not like I wasn't willing to lose the loan cash because I never lend anything I'm not willing to lose.

Lesson learned? I thought I did. Monger lessons learned have always reduced risk: never lend money, never pay in advance, never leave your wallet / phone / keys out of sight. Shame on me.

Hopefully, this might help those of you who might possibly think it isn't a gamble to front anything to a provider. It rarely works (so don't do it)!

Mongernator.

[SkalTura]

Preach on. And thank you for sharing your experiences. I wonder if some similar addictive mechanisms are involved though.


Mongering in our hobby is an exercise in calculated risk. The obvious risks revolve around legality, of course. The other obvious risk is reputation in the event you get caught by whomever you don't want to find out. And, of course, there are financial risks such as not receiving service. Does anyone pay up-front anymore?

Which brings me to parallels between mongering and gambling. Experience is our best education when it comes to hopefully learning what not to do in either situation. Don't show your cards in a poker game. Don't bet against a blackjack dealer showing an ace. Don't enter a hotel room without first checking the shower in addition to closets for "roommates. " Don't discuss an act or fees until after your pickup gets in the car and you've done the checks after you've driven away from the pickup scene. Etc.

But even in gambling we break our own experience-spawned rules either just to see what might happen or because that "stupid" DNA strand in your genes decided to manifest itself for a moment. Hopefully, you know not to make such a gamble without willingness to lose it all..

[Ho Beau]

In my case I gambled that my UTR had earned the small loan I gave her yesterday in expectation she would be ready for me as she desperately promised she would be for me this morning. She's been great about sticking to plans made even days in advance. So, and based on experience with her, I had no reason to expect otherwise. So I woke up early as planned, texted to confirm as planned, and of course: crickets. We even had a backup plan in case her alarm didn't awaken her where I would call if no text reply. Crickets, crickets, and more crickets for the rest of the morning (I stop calling after the third 15 minute interval). And now, hours later still filled with crickets, I'm done. Next. Her loss, too because I had a big tip waiting for her as I always do in reward for waking up early. Alas. And it's not like I wasn't willing to lose the loan cash because I never lend anything I'm not willing to lose.

Lesson learned? I thought I did. Monger lessons learned have always reduced risk: never lend money, never pay in advance, never leave your wallet / phone / keys out of sight. Shame on me.

That's happened to me. Especially the "I'm done" part. But. . . A few days pass, the text or call comes in with a lame but theoretically possible excuse, and I cave in and schedule another visit. I guess the little head has a short memory. Or is it that fine pussy is, after all, fine pussy.

But this time, I promise to never do it again. Then, like most wh0 res, I too am a liar. Even, perhaps especially, to myself.

HB.

[RogerOver]

In my case I gambled that my UTR had earned the small loan I gave her yesterday in expectation she would be ready for me as she desperately promised she would be for me this morning. She's been great about sticking to plans made even days in advance. So, and based on experience with her, I had no reason to expect otherwise. So I woke up early as planned, texted to confirm as planned, and of course: crickets. We even had a backup plan in case her alarm didn't awaken her where I would call if no text reply. Crickets, crickets, and more crickets for the rest of the morning (I stop calling after the third 15 minute interval). And now, hours later still filled with crickets, I'm done. Next. Her loss, too because I had a big tip waiting for her as I always do in reward for waking up early. Alas. And it's not like I wasn't willing to lose the loan cash because I never lend anything I'm not willing to lose.

Lesson learned? I thought I did. Monger lessons learned have always reduced risk: never lend money, never pay in advance, never leave your wallet / phone / keys out of sight. Shame on me.

Hopefully, this might help those of you who might possibly think it isn't a gamble to front anything to a provider. It rarely works (so don't do it)!

Mongernator.I've done that before, but luckily haven't been let down like you have. I am always prepared to lose the money though. Bottom line for me, I feel like I can't be surprised anymore, but I CAN BE disappointed.

Suggestion I'm sure you don't need: when she calls with bullshit, don't give in. That's the best payback I can come up with.

[RogerOver]

That's happened to me. Especially the "I'm done" part. But. . . A few days pass, the text or call comes in with a lame but theoretically possible excuse, and I cave in and schedule another visit. I guess the little head has a short memory. Or is it that fine pussy is, after all, fine pussy.

But this time, I promise to never do it again. Then, like most wh0 res, I too am a liar. Even, perhaps especially, to myself.

HB.That's what the "BLOCK" function is for on phones and burner apps. In my experience, when you cave, it only lets them know they can do it again.

[LustForLust]

First of all, thanks for the report. Learning from each of you. I've only been active in SanFran, where things are way different from Ohio.


Don't discuss an act or fees until after your pickup gets in the car and you've done the checks after you've driven away from the pickup scene. Etc.Can you expand any on the "checks" for the benefit of a hobbiest who has started researching 3/ M /5/ X and still apprehensive about first dates.

[DaytonSteve]

First of all, thanks for the report. Learning from each of you. I've only been active in SanFran, where things are way different from Ohio.

Can you expand any on the "checks" for the benefit of a hobbiest who has started researching 3/ M /5/ X and still apprehensive about first dates.Biggest thing to take away here is the only interaction you should have with her outside your car is "hey need a ride" If it's a sting with a female LEO she'll want you to agree to (specific act) for (specific amount of money) while she is outside the car, she will then tell you to pull down a side street to her spot, where you get busted. Checks you ask? Well can be several things but usually a visual where each party can check out the usually hidden "goodies" and maybe a "handshake" or that type of thing. If a girl just hops in your car and no one is following you, that's a pretty good sign that it should go ok. Unless things have drastically changed, a LEO isn't going to get in your car. Just be smart and careful. I consider Streetwalkers as advanced mongering, so much more can go wrong. If your looking to get your feet wet find a nice reliable and well reviewed provider here on usasg.

I learned everything I know from an episode of cops and anything I write or suggest is obviously fictional and for entertainment only.

[Goodson2000]

Does anyone pay up-front anymore?I know I don't. I don't recall when I did last. I don't even go into a situation you'd be forced to pay up-front. (hours of hotel due etc.).

Obviously ALL the clients of a few popular providers (avoid to name) do pay upfront. It was almost shocking to me. It's a violation of Monger Code 101. Why do you do that? Especially when she is heavily relying on USASG members. We collectively have major leverage, we could have changed her routine.

[Goodson2000]

First of all, thanks for the report. Learning from each of you. I've only been active in SanFran, where things are way different from Ohio.

Can you expand any on the "checks" for the benefit of a hobbiest who has started researching 3/ M /5/ X and still apprehensive about first dates.I loved SF SW mongering. Girls everywhere, open and obvious. The local jail was too crowded. Girls know they will spend a night in jail and go home.

[Brandon2779]

I know I don't. I don't recall when I did last. I don't even go into a situation you'd be forced to pay up-front. (hours of hotel due etc.).

Obviously ALL the clients of a few popular providers (avoid to name) do pay upfront. It was almost shocking to me. It's a violation of Monger Code 101. Why do you do that? Especially when she is heavily relying on USASG members. We collectively have major leverage, we could have changed her routine.I'm somewhat new to the hobby. Why is this such a violation?

Like someone else said, I'm only bringing money that I'm prepared to lose. I will never be surprised, only disappointed. Granted, I've mostly dreamt of highly reviewed providers and I do a lot of research on my own; I haven't been played yet, but if there comes a point in time where I feel like a provider is trying to get over on me. I will always just cut my losses, and just be sure to tell my experience in here. Them relying on us as regulars is far more valuable than them getting a quick $80 bucks off of a member here. I will never argue or complain w / a provider about services that were promised but not fulfilled. If she wants to burn her bridge with me. Her loss.

That, and the thought of actually arguing with a hooker is just hilarious to me. Not going to happen.

Stay Safe.

[LustForLust]

Biggest thing to take away here is the only interaction you should have with her outside your car is "hey need a ride" If it's a sting with a female LEO she'll want you to agree to (specific act) for (specific amount of money) while she is outside the car, Well, you corrected several anticipation daydreams right there. Good thing I'm just watching so far. (Really, waiting for next payday.).


I consider Streetwalkers as advanced mongering, so much more can go wrong.I was leaning that way because I've been scared off from too many reports of going to a hook-up and getting robbed. It seemed safer, but I keep being wrong about things. Probably still a few weeks from contact.


I learned everything I know from an episode of cops and anything I write or suggest is obviously fictional and for entertainment only.TV taught me everything I thought I knew, but probably should have watched Cops, because apparently TV taught me how to get arrested.

I also take it from assorted comments that the "cash on the nightstand" thing is a fantasy. You perhaps show you have it, but COD.

[LustForLust]

I loved SF SW mongering. Girls everywhere, open and obvious. The local jail was too crowded. Girls know they will spend a night in jail and go home.I wasn't even doing SW. I was there when Market Street Cinema was open and active. I'd turn down a half dozen "almost" and then take the girl with the right shape (for me) to back stage. After the first awkward event, learned to pay the backstage fee early, unless I was just looking.

Ahhh. The only thing I miss about California (aside from the obscene salary I was getting in the land of $500 k condos).

[Goodson2000]

I'm somewhat new to the hobby. Why is this such a violation?

Like someone else said, I'm only bringing money that I'm prepared to lose. I will never be surprised, only disappointed. Granted, I've mostly dreamt of highly reviewed providers and I do a lot of research on my own; I haven't been played yet, but if there comes a point in time where I feel like a provider is trying to get over on me. I will always just cut my losses, and just be sure to tell my experience in here. Them relying on us as regulars is far more valuable than them getting a quick $80 bucks off of a member here. I will never argue or complain w / a provider about services that were promised but not fulfilled. If she wants to burn her bridge with me. Her loss.

That, and the thought of actually arguing with a hooker is just hilarious to me. Not going to happen.

Stay Safe.I'm not interested in discussing the validity of battle tested Mongering Code with new people. (Maybe you have another handle name, and try pretending new with some reason though) Paying upfront is wrong in many levels.

In short, keeping money with you warrants a better service. Money is only leverage you ever have.

(where did the link to the monger code go? It used to be somewhere within this site. It's a must read material).

[Brandon2779]

I'm not interested in discussing the validity of battle tested Mongering Code with new people. (Maybe you have another handle name, and try pretending new with some reason though) Paying upfront is wrong in many levels.

In short, keeping money with you warrants a better service. Money is only leverage you ever have.

(where did the link to the monger code go? It used to be somewhere within this site. It's a must read material).Not debating you on the validity of anything, I don't have enough experience to warrant a debate with you. I simply replied to you because you are confused on why so many people are paying up front.

I'm here to learn and share my experiences.

A Monger Code 101 sticky would be nice.

[NonEssential]

I'm somewhat new to the hobby. Why is this such a violation?

Like someone else said, I'm only bringing money that I'm prepared to lose. I will never be surprised, only disappointed. Granted, I've mostly dreamt of highly reviewed providers and I do a lot of research on my own; I haven't been played yet, but if there comes a point in time where I feel like a provider is trying to get over on me. I will always just cut my losses, and just be sure to tell my experience in here. Them relying on us as regulars is far more valuable than them getting a quick $80 bucks off of a member here. I will never argue or complain w / a provider about services that were promised but not fulfilled. If she wants to burn her bridge with me. Her loss.

That, and the thought of actually arguing with a hooker is just hilarious to me. Not going to happen.

Stay Safe.If you pay up front, it's obvious what you are paying for. And it's the perfect way to get busted. The best providers screen their clients and take their payment after services rendered, maybe with something extra for an especially good time. That's been my experience with every provider that I've gone to that is highly rated on this board. If you look at every single rip off report and most negative reviews, they all say "I should not have paid up front" or words to that effect. The same sad story over and over.

[Countryboy72]

If you pay up front, it's obvious what you are paying for. And it's the perfect way to get busted. The best providers screen their clients and take their payment after services rendered, maybe with something extra for an especially good time. That's been my experience with every provider that I've gone to that is highly rated on this board. If you look at every single rip off report and most negative reviews, they all say "I should not have paid up front" or words to that effect. The same sad story over and over.Same issue I have with VIP in a club. They already have your money. She doesn't have to do anything crazy it's all paid.

[LustForLust]

I'm here to learn and share my experiences.

A Monger Code 101 sticky would be nice.Likewise on both points.

If someone finds that link, it will save having me ask a bunch of stupid newbie questions.

[Cartog]

Likewise on both points.

If someone finds that link, it will save having me ask a bunch of stupid newbie questions.



(where did the link to the monger code go? It used to be somewhere within this site. It's a must read material).I am not sure if either of these guides are what G2 is referring to, but on the Front Page of this forum, there is a link to the 22 Rules for Street Mongering.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

Also, in a user thread in the Cincinnati forum titled The Rules for Escort Mongering, a user posted a "A Guide for Escort Hobbying":

1129223

You will find some useful info at these links. Have fun, but be safe.

[LustForLust]

I am not sure if either of these guides are what G2 is referring to, but on the Front Page of this forum, there is a link to the 22 Rules for Street Mongering.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRulesThank you for that. I don't know whether it is what was referenced, but it helped me (and is bookmarked).

[John Cleland]

Sarek and I have been exchanging intel on occasion since over two years ago. His reports have been nothing less than accurate. His referrals were always spot-on. And when a piece of turd like this ripoff artist takes advantage of us, we can certainly help each other with great intel like what Sarek recently posted:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?8705-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3529118&viewfull=1#post3529118

Though I've always wanted to do this (because I've never stood anyone up), I figured this was as good a time as any to see what it's like. And to be honest, I didn't like doing it. But I called and set an appointment anyway.

Her name is Stephanie (or so she says). Describes herself as 5'6", 130 lbs. Referred to herself as "skinny. " Was charming on the phone, actually. Said she had no limits at all (including greek). Quoted $. 2 for the hour. Brown eyes long haired MILF with 3 kids. Described travel directions as taking 35 west then south just a bit (approx. 8 minutes from downtown dayton). So I told her she sounded TGTBT but hell, why not? So I told her I was OMW and would show up in 30 min. I never responded to any of her texts after.

Payback's a female dog and so was Sarek's criminal baiter. Glad he came out unharmed. But to be honest I don't feel good about what I did because that's simply not my nature.

Mongernator.


And I deserved it. I broke all kinds of mongering rules, and I didn't listen to my gut. Messaged her on the 25th heard back from her today she told me where she was a brick house near the K9 club on Germantown. Her prices were very reasonable and I opted for the HHR for 3 Jackson's.

I get there she's outside and I pull in the driveway she's wearing sunglasses and I'm not certain its the girl from the pic she sent. I follow her inside house looks abandoned and smells like piss *red flag*, I stupidly set the money down on a crib and she picked it up *red flag*(paid upfront like a fool) told me she had to pee and I'm sure EVERYONE can guess what happened next. Yes the boyfriend / pimp whatever came out from the back and told me I needed to leave, classic monger ripoff (I swear I looked around) I'm only out what I would've donated, still.

I realize its one of the pitfalls of this hobby but damn I've really been lucky until now. Last time I got ripped off was over 20 years ago. Posted the pic she sent and the link to her ad to help others steer clear of this *.

Here's the link http://dayton.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/sexy-beautiful-28yr-old-looking-to-please-and-have-a-good-time/48020568.

[Goodson2000]

I got a request for a 19 yo's digits. He is fully aware that she was pregnant, due date is right about now. To be honset, he creeped me out.

He had asked me her digits a few weeks ago too. I declined back then because I didn't want to bring in a new guy to her at that stage of her pregnancy.

I mean, what does he do with a mother of a new born? Caesarean or natural birth, it is obvious she can't do sex act for a while. Why does he want her digits now?

[IGiveVitaminD]

I was the one who asked for her contact info receiving this nonsense speech and the reason I asked him is because he also asked me for other girls so watch out with Intel you share with this guy because he is acting very suspicious, if you pay attention he posts on every forum but only wants to get info from the girls, and makes reference to LEO in the area, and laws. I have all the PM from him sending me the police records with a pic of a SW and her felonies asking me to confirm if she was the SW I dated. I can post the screenshoots if need it. Watch out guys because this start smelling like pig.


I got a request for a 19 yo's digits. He is fully aware that she was pregnant, due date is right about now. To be honset, he creeped me out.

He had asked me her digits a few weeks ago too. I declined back then because I didn't want to bring in a new guy to her at that stage of her pregnancy.

I mean, what does he do with a mother of a new born? Caesarean or natural birth, it is obvious she can't do sex act for a while. Why does he want her digits now?.

[Macrzy]

I was the one who asked for her contact info receiving this nonsense speech and the reason I asked him is because he also asked me for other girls so watch out with Intel you share with this guy because he is acting very suspicious, if you pay attention he posts on every forum but only wants to get info from the girls, and makes reference to LEO in the area, and laws. I have all the PM from him sending me the police records with a pic of a SW and her felonies asking me to confirm if she was the SW I dated. I can post the screenshoots if need it. Watch out guys because this start smelling like pig.

.Surely you are not referring to G2! No offense to other trusted seniors, but G2 is undoubtedly one of the most honest / truthful / no BS guys I know. Please either clarify who you mean.

[Sgorka]

Second the vote of confidence for G2. Has given me many leads and also some guidance and clarification at times. Maybe a look in the mirror would be time well spent.


Surely you are not referring to G2! No offense to other trusted seniors, but G2 is undoubtedly one of the most honest / truthful / no BS guys I know. Please either clarify who you mean.

[IGiveVitaminD]

Yes I'm and I'm clarifying this crap because I didn't like the fact he threw a fit creating a post for a simple question I asked him from a provider when he did the exact same thing and more while sending me her police record. So this is the last message I sent about this so you have been warned is up to you to believe it or not but if see a comment saying I'm lying or doubting about my integrity I have the way to prove it I just have to upload the screen shoots of our conversation period. Have fun and don't get me involved in dramas.


Surely you are not referring to G2! No offense to other trusted seniors, but G2 is undoubtedly one of the most honest / truthful / no BS guys I know. Please either clarify who you mean.

[Cartog]

I was the one who asked for her contact info receiving this nonsense speech and the reason I asked him is because he also asked me for other girls so watch out with Intel you share with this guy because he is acting very suspicious, if you pay attention he posts on every forum but only wants to get info from the girls, and makes reference to LEO in the area, and laws. I have all the PM from him sending me the police records with a pic of a SW and her felonies asking me to confirm if she was the SW I dated. I can post the screenshoots if need it. Watch out guys because this start smelling like pig.

.I sometimes like to get some background info on a lady as I find it useful and helpful. It can be a time consuming and haphazard process to dig this info up, so I appreciate it when a fellow monger sends me arrest records, mugshots, pics, etc. I use discretion with any info I get and definitely would never threaten to post a screenshot of a PM. As my record keeping is a bit sloppy, G2 has helped me several times and also clarified things when I get some of the 10,000 sex workers in Dayton mixed up.

[XxTonyxX]

I was the one who asked for her contact info receiving this nonsense speech and the reason I asked him is because he also asked me for other girls so watch out with Intel you share with this guy because he is acting very suspicious, if you pay attention he posts on every forum but only wants to get info from the girls, and makes reference to LEO in the area, and laws. I have all the PM from him sending me the police records with a pic of a SW and her felonies asking me to confirm if she was the SW I dated. I can post the screenshoots if need it. Watch out guys because this start smelling like pig..G2 is the farthest thing from LEO that you can get in this hobby. All info that I have exchanged with him has been both helpful and appreciated. Fail troll, fail.

[DenMark23]

When I looked on the Knoxville thread, I saw where they have a place you can put up pics and comment on said pics. Thread was "Best tits in the city" we need something like that here. Like how we have (stupid shit in dayton) that would be great for guys here to post comments and give ratings.

And or see something they like. Give opinion on what type tits or nips you prefer, and or cute lips, beef curtains LOL. Or juicy lips. But wouldn't be just a rating system but. I or anyone could post a pic of just chest area and be like guess who? Could also lead to: best personality. Cleanest in call.

Best in punctuality and so fourth. Best BJ etc. Idk maybe I'm over thinking it. Or not; but just go to Tennessee and the Knoxville thread, it's worth checking out sometime.

[SliceJimbo4015]

Yes I'm and I'm clarifying this crap because I didn't like the fact he threw a fit creating a post for a simple question I asked him from a provider when he did the exact same thing and more while sending me her police record. So this is the last message I sent about this so you have been warned is up to you to believe it or not but if see a comment saying I'm lying or doubting about my integrity I have the way to prove it I just have to upload the screen shoots of our conversation period. Have fun and don't get me involved in dramas.Perfect category for these comments, "stupid shit new guy!

[BgDoc3]

Second the vote of confidence for G2. Has given me many leads and also some guidance and clarification at times. Maybe a look in the mirror would be time well spent.Have had a lot of good intel from him in the past and not so distant past He TB, Cartog, Boilerhp and a number of other good seniors are much trusted and I have never been steared wrong by them.

[DaytonSteve]

I think G2 is just very cautious of new people. He is a wealth of information though. Any info of his I've relied on has always checked out 100%.

[OsuFan]

Have had a lot of good intel from him in the past and not so distant past He TB, Cartog, Boilerhp and a number of other good seniors are much trusted and I have never been steared wrong by them.Ditto to all you mentioned If we were ever to vote for a president of the mongers club G2 would probably be a shoe in.

[TommyButt]

Ditto to all you mentioned If we were ever to vote for a president of the mongers club G2 would probably be a shoe in.Even the insinuation regarding G2 is the reason "trusted" seniors become hesitant about sharing Intel. That and the F* drama!

Oh....and he'd get my vote for pres!!

TB.

[JustLookInSW]

I was the one who asked for her contact info receiving this nonsense speech and the reason I asked him is because he also asked me for other girls so watch out with Intel you share with this guy because he is acting very suspicious, if you pay attention he posts on every forum but only wants to get info from the girls, and makes reference to LEO in the area, and laws. I have all the PM from him sending me the police records with a pic of a SW and her felonies asking me to confirm if she was the SW I dated. I can post the screenshoots if need it. Watch out guys because this start smelling like pig.

.Painting G2 with the "pig" brush isn't the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but it's right up there.

[FootMan2007]

Why is it so hard to flag Backpage ads? On Craigslist it's incredibly easy to do it. Here, I try to flag the Hall of shamers and that one guy who keeps posting saying he wants black / Puerto Rican cock and the ads stay up for days if they even get pulled down.

[BgDoc3]

Just a thought and questions.

What would you be willing to pay for an hour of a ladies or mans time? Simple question. Next simple question. How many of you make 100 and hour where you work? Now how much would you be willing to pay for a BJ, daty, HJ, bbjcim, etc? Just honest questions if you think of it in terms of your hourly and pocketbook. Some ladies on here are educationally challenged. Those who are not and hold good jobs in the "real" world, how many of them make a 100 an hour in their regular jobs? Now what would you pay for getting your stress relieved in a half hour or hour? In fact how many of us make 50 and hour let alone a half hour? Thinking is a BIOTCH when you are horny huh?

[Daytonfreek]

Just a thought and questions.

What would you be willing to pay for an hour of a ladies or mans time? Simple question. Next simple question. How many of you make 100 and hour where you work? Now how much would you be willing to pay for a BJ, daty, HJ, bbjcim, etc? Just honest questions if you think of it in terms of your hourly and pocketbook. Some ladies on here are educationally challenged. Those who are not and hold good jobs in the "real" world, how many of them make a 100 an hour in their regular jobs? Now what would you pay for getting your stress relieved in a half hour or hour? In fact how many of us make 50 and hour let alone a half hour? Thinking is a BIOTCH when you are horny huh?What you just stated is the reason why many politicians have a problem with legalizing prostitution; it's simply too lucrative. Any reasonably attractive woman can enter this profession regardless of her level of education and earn more than someone with a master's degree can. They argue that the only way to legalize prostitution without driving hordes of women toward it would be to make it on par with every other job which does not require any educational prerequisites; essentially minimum wage work. If they were to legalize it in brothels as minimum wage work, we would still be paying $100 for our BJ like we are now, except we also pay a tax on it, and the girl who gave it to us only gets to keep $10 while the remaining $90 goes to the house. Brothel prostitution is the only form of prostitution that has any chance at all of ever being legalized. Street prostitution and escort prostitution will always be illegal. The government cites health concerns, but the reason is because they can't find a way to tax it if it is being conducted that way. Also, we wouldn't simply be paying sales tax either, it will be a very hefty vice tax, similar to the one placed on cigarettes. That's exactly how the legalization of prostitution would go down. I think we're probably better off right where we are.

[TalentedMan]

What you just stated is the reason why many politicians have a problem with legalizing prostitution; it's simply too lucrative. Any reasonably attractive woman can enter this profession regardless of her level of education and earn more than someone with a master's degree can. They argue that the only way to legalize prostitution without driving hordes of women toward it would be to make it on par with every other job which does not require any educational prerequisites; essentially minimum wage work. If they were to legalize it in brothels as minimum wage work, we would still be paying $100 for our BJ like we are now, except we also pay a tax on it, and the girl who gave it to us only gets to keep $10 while the remaining $90 goes to the house. Brothel prostitution is the only form of prostitution that has any chance at all of ever being legalized. Street prostitution and escort prostitution will always be illegal. The government cites health concerns, but the reason is because they can't find a way to tax it if it is being conducted that way. Also, we wouldn't simply be paying sales tax either, it will be a very hefty vice tax, similar to the one placed on cigarettes. That's exactly how the legalization of prostitution would go down. I think we're probably better off right where we are.I agree with most of what you state, but I still think the girls will do well. It will actually be more to our advantage. There would be up front pricing (but will most likely be a tip system like a massage parlor), the girls would be forced to be tested regularly, and no bull $#!t surprises (pimp, boy friend). It would be harder to rip us off and the girls would be safer. No pimp beating the girl for not making enough. Above all, there will be nothing LEO can do about it. In fact LEO would be forced to arrest the pimp that beats the girl. Yes, it would be taxed to death. There will be more regulation than we can imagine. Nevada seems to be doing fine with it and their regulation. It is actually a state law and not a Federal law. While I am all for this, the state is not. Ironically, bestiality is still legal in Ohio (seriously, look it up). Tell me this is not messed up. Bestiality is ok, but prostitution is not. I supposed, based upon state law, if I get horny enough there is always some ***** I can legally screw.

[Cartog]

I agree with most of what you state, but I still think the girls will do well. It will actually be more to our advantage. There would be up front pricing (but will most likely be a tip system like a massage parlor), the girls would be forced to be tested regularly, and no bull $#!t surprises (pimp, boy friend). It would be harder to rip us off and the girls would be safer. No pimp beating the girl for not making enough. Above all, there will be nothing LEO can do about it. In fact LEO would be forced to arrest the pimp that beats the girl. Yes, it would be taxed to death. There will be more regulation than we can imagine. Nevada seems to be doing fine with it and their regulation. It is actually a state law and not a Federal law. While I am all for this, the state is not. Ironically, bestiality is still legal in Ohio (seriously, look it up). Tell me this is not messed up. Bestiality is ok, but prostitution is not. I supposed, based upon state law, if I get horny enough there is always some ***** I can legally screw.FWIW, I looked it up and found that effective Mar 21 of this year, bestiality is now illegal in Ohio:

https://patch.com/ohio/cleveland/bestiality-finally-illegal-ohio

[Daytonfreek]

FWIW, I looked it up and found that effective Mar 21 of this year, bestiality is now illegal in Ohio:

https://patch.com/ohio/cleveland/bestiality-finally-illegal-ohioWell, I'm glad they finally outlawed bestiality. Still, it doesn't change the obscene fact that for nearly a century the state of Ohio would have rather had us screwing dogs than screwing willing women who are merely asking for a monetary contribution in return. Smh.

[John Cleland]

In response to BigDoc's query, I respectfully present a different perspective.

If you think about higher-end providers (like several in the CVG area such as Velvet, LSM, & Molly Daniels) who are prompt at your agreed start time, freshly showered, made-up, dressed for the occasion, have a tidy incall, a clean restroom (and clean towels, too! Etc), they also likely spend a good amount of time managing their "affaires" such as filtering-out the drek from their phones and email, spend time reading and responding to reviews and PM's here, making plans with supposedly reliable mongers after spending time screening and / or checking references, and at worst, they suck it up when a no-show occurs killing their chance for an entire afternoon's worth of possible alternatives (nothing affects their income more).

In other words, (and in no way being a white knight here but I'm chiming-in as a someone who analyses businesses for a living), though the actual short session time itself may appear to include a reward that resembles an allegedly imbalanced high "hourly" pay rate, it ends up for the provider they're not earning as much $ "per hour" as one might think (again, assuming you're talking about a provider that functions mostly based on all of the above efforts). In fact, I feel most sorry for the amazing girls of EE on the CVG board because they literally receive only half of the total donation (and from what I've been told I've heard at times he's taken as much as 60% Why does EE take so much $? Because he's the one doing all the behind the scenes work and my guess is he's likely on the hook for such things as hotel rooms and / or apartments, too. Oh yeah, and take a seasoned pro like Velvet and ask yourself, who paid for the "milking table" or all of that Nuru massage lotion? In other words, many of these providers actually reinvest their profits into their business so as to keep their clients coming back.

So, who makes the most per hour? It's actually the low-end providers! Why? Because they don't give a shit. If they actually have an incall it's a shit hole notel, they keep their incall shit hole notel room a shit hole inside, they smoke in their room, they usually don't shower in-between clients (you're lucky if they wipe themselves), they don't give a crap about double-booking, they're nearly never ready on time, they're shooting-up in the bathroom while they keep you waiting after you arrive, and, oh yeah, good luck if they have a clean towel for you (much less toilet paper).

So you want to bargain a girl down or complain about her rate (not accusing you here BD, just ranting)? Go ahead! That's the free market at work. Just don't expect her to feel good about it (much less perform for it). And don't get me wrong, I've experienced all of the above and have absolutely found the occasional diamond in the rough exception to the above stereotyped rant. But in comparison to the rest of the entire USA, we have things pretty darned inexpensive here in the CVG-DAY market with provider quality that is at least average to above average in comparison. I'm certainly not complaining. This market has been very good to me and, of course, there's always exceptions when it comes to inexpensive quality providers. But most of the time you get what you pay for.

Mongernator.


Just a thought and questions.

What would you be willing to pay for an hour of a ladies or mans time? Simple question. Next simple question. How many of you make 100 and hour where you work? Now how much would you be willing to pay for a BJ, daty, HJ, bbjcim, etc? Just honest questions if you think of it in terms of your hourly and pocketbook. Some ladies on here are educationally challenged. Those who are not and hold good jobs in the "real" world, how many of them make a 100 an hour in their regular jobs? Now what would you pay for getting your stress relieved in a half hour or hour? In fact how many of us make 50 and hour let alone a half hour? Thinking is a BIOTCH when you are horny huh?

[LustForLust]

Just a thought and questions.

What would you be willing to pay for an hour of a ladies or mans time? Simple question. Next simple question. How many of you make 100 and hour where you work? Now how much would you be willing to pay for a BJ, daty, HJ, bbjcim, etc? Just honest questions if you think of it in terms of your hourly and pocketbook. Some ladies on here are educationally challenged. Those who are not and hold good jobs in the "real" world, how many of them make a 100 an hour in their regular jobs? Now what would you pay for getting your stress relieved in a half hour or hour? In fact how many of us make 50 and hour let alone a half hour? Thinking is a BIOTCH when you are horny huh?I make close to $50/ hour for sitting a cube and not making anyone's life better.

IMO, that sets a good bar for pleasure providers. $50/ hour for not being annoying, more for being better.

That's just off-the-cuff on value. Of course, I'd go with local prevailing rates for whatever. All that says is that providers are a better deal than I am.

I'm good with that.

[Daytonfreek]

I make close to $50/ hour for sitting a cube and not making anyone's life better.

IMO, that sets a good bar for pleasure providers. $50/ hour for not being annoying, more for being better.

That's just off-the-cuff on value. Of course, I'd go with local prevailing rates for whatever. All that says is that providers are a better deal than I am.

I'm good with that.Must be nice, because I flat out bust my ass for what equates to around $27 per hour.

[Ho Beau]

Must be nice, because I flat out bust my ass for what equates to around $27 per hour.I haven't busted my ass my whole life nor have I broken a sweat in decades. I'm not rich, but I don't sweat paying bills, or dumping a load to dump a load, if you get my drift.

Then again, maybe that means I am rich. Shit, I never looked at it that way. LMAO.

Thanks, mom for sending me to grad school.

[LustForLust]

Must be nice, because I flat out bust my ass for what equates to around $27 per hour.I don't deserve it, at least compared to the people who keep my shit (car, AC, plumbing) working. But if I talk about that, people start shouting "Communist" and conversation ends.

Economics is traditionally called the Dismal Science. I often think that the Insane Science is more fitting, not because of economists, but because of the rest of us.

[Goodson2000]

http://dayton.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/badbitchzonly/40560218

Another provider with terrible hair, BadBitchzOnly. This girl had a BP ad earlier this summer. Here are some early reviews.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?8705-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3478399&highlight=BadBitchzOnly#post3478399
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?8705-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3501845&highlight=BadBitchzOnly#post3501845
If I remember correctly, back then she had long hair.

I hate these half shaved head providers. Worse buzzcut butches. Yea, it's their fashion statement, protest or whatever. But you are trying to provide a date to us, men. I don't know about others, I hate to fuck a girl look like a boy. (I don't hate them as a person. I just don't see them sexy and I don't want them in my bed.).

The first pic of the ad is interesting. In the background the blonde SommerNicole0237 USA Advertiser is in the bed. I'm positive it's her. SommerNicole does fuck with men but she likes girls more. Often she is found with butches with shaved heads. So no surprise here. She shaved half of her head once, but she understands she needs her hair to stay attractive for men.

After her debut on USA, I given up on Sommer though. She insists to use her driver, price is doubled, tripled and non-negotiable. And I know she is not the type of person most accommodating.

I hate to pay to driver. Price is double probably because I have to pay to her lesbo driver. Maybe this ugly hair BadBitchzOnly is Sommer's driver. Idk. (remember this isn't a review; it's a rant).

I hate "I come to you" arrangement in general too. They never be on time. They say it's 10 minutes away, almost there, but in reality not showing up for another 2 hours. Absolutely no control and no idea where they are for real. When I pick up the girl, I know she is running late, and I can cancel the date whenever my patience runs out.

http://images4.backpage.com/imager/u/large/463373482/d2f198550712ae85dda1775c1ebb0840.jpg

[John Cleland]

What I can't stand is no women smile anymore. It's now always this puckered lips crap and, somehow, they think it's attractive.

It's not.

Mongernator.


http://dayton.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/badbitchzonly/40560218

Another provider with terrible hair, BadBitchzOnly. This girl had a BP ad earlier this summer. Here are some early reviews.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?8705-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3478399&highlight=BadBitchzOnly#post3478399
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?8705-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3501845&highlight=BadBitchzOnly#post3501845
If I remember correctly, back then she had long hair.

I hate these half shaved head providers. Worse buzzcut butches. Yea, it's their fashion statement, protest or whatever. But you are trying to provide a date to us, men. I don't know about others, I hate to fuck a girl look like a boy. (I don't hate them as a person. I just don't see them sexy and I don't want them in my bed.).

The first pic of the ad is interesting. In the background the blonde SommerNicole0237 USA Advertiser is in the bed. I'm positive it's her. SommerNicole does fuck with men but she likes girls more. Often she is found with butches with shaved heads. So no surprise here. She shaved half of her head once, but she understands she needs her hair to stay attractive for men.

After her debut on USA, I given up on Sommer though. She insists to use her driver, price is doubled, tripled and non-negotiable. And I know she is not the type of person most accommodating.

I hate to pay to driver. Price is double probably because I have to pay to her lesbo driver. Maybe this ugly hair BadBitchzOnly is Sommer's driver. Idk. (remember this isn't a review; it's a rant).

I hate "I come to you" arrangement in general too. They never be on time. They say it's 10 minutes away, almost there, but in reality not showing up for another 2 hours. Absolutely no control and no idea where they are for real. When I pick up the girl, I know she is running late, and I can cancel the date whenever my patience runs out.

http://images4.backpage.com/imager/u/large/463373482/d2f198550712ae85dda1775c1ebb0840.jpg

[LustForLust]

What I can't stand is no women smile anymore. It's now always this puckered lips crap and, somehow, they think it's attractive.

It's not.

Mongernator.It is apparently called duck face, and I agree with you. To me, it says, "Kiss off, I'm too good for you. ".

And is all too often on girls who aren't too good for me, and I'm pretty bottom of barrel.

[Countryboy72]

What I can't stand is no women smile anymore. It's now always this puckered lips crap and, somehow, they think it's attractive.

It's not.

Mongernator.To that! Neither is a video of you twerking. Show me eyes, face, chest, legs whatever butt the skill of moving your butt cheeks one inch up and down? Not going to interest me.

[GreenTea543]

http://dayton.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/badbitchzonly/40560218

Another provider with terrible hair, BadBitchzOnly. This girl had a BP ad earlier this summer. Here are some early reviews.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?8705-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3478399&highlight=BadBitchzOnly#post3478399
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?8705-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3501845&highlight=BadBitchzOnly#post3501845
If I remember correctly, back then she had long hair.

I hate these half shaved head providers. Worse buzzcut butches. Yea, it's their fashion statement, protest or whatever. But you are trying to provide a date to us, men. I don't know about others, I hate to fuck a girl look like a boy. (I don't hate them as a person. I just don't see them sexy and I don't want them in my bed.).That is indeed Sommer. I saw her once the shaved head does not bother me if they are good looking and can provide. But when I saw Sommer she her boobs were all bruised up and she was bigger than her pictures suggested. Nice girl otherwise.

[Mahjac Ball]

To that! Neither is a video of you twerking. Show me eyes, face, chest, legs whatever butt the skill of moving your butt cheeks one inch up and down? Not going to interest me.Just apparent they have little idea what appeals to men or just symptomatic of how little they think of us. A close up of body parts with no context doesn't tell me anything about what kind of experience to expect. "Okay, you got one, I see that, what else?

[Goodson2000]

just symptomatic of how little they think of us.And I know they don't know what symptomatic means.

BTW black providers show up with a wig, try to present themselves more attractive to men. White lesbos / bis who wants our money, they don't make the same effort. Lazy.
(If they don't want our money, I wouldn't mind whatever they do to their body)

[LustForLust]

To that! Neither is a video of you twerking. Show me eyes, face, chest, legs whatever butt the skill of moving your butt cheeks one inch up and down? Not going to interest me.I can go for twerking, if she has a good ass. But if it reminds me of the Carmine Diaz "I like big buts" scene, it is just embarrassing.

However, like most things, I thing twerking is better without pants.

[LustForLust]

Just apparent they have little idea what appeals to men or just symptomatic of how little they think of us. A close up of body parts with no context doesn't tell me anything about what kind of experience to expect. "Okay, you got one, I see that, what else?I've spent more time and money in strip clubs than I'd like to admit to my parents. I think this comes from two things.

The biggest is that, based on listening in on other guys at the rail, many just want to see all they can see. If a girl can hold it open so you can see deep, these guys will (probably) tip better. I can't explain it, but I've seen it.

The second is that, partly because of the first-part guys, the girls do not know what else to do.

I started in strip clubs in the '90's in a newly opened club. Most of the girls gave gynecological dances. But there was this one woman who knew how to play with it. She is the reason I still love the slow rerelease of "Layla. " But I stood out in preferring her that (in a no-extras club) she'd sometimes hang out with me, appreciating my appreciation.

[John Cleland]

Sorry guys but aside from the fact this likely needs to go to this thread, I would only voice this opinion on this thread. No disrespect to anyone in this fight, but I dare to ask, was Newbrad really doing anything wrong? Seems to me he was being respectfully discreet from the beginning while wanting to express caution to the team as any newbie should. That's it. A YMMV scenario if I ever read one. Been there. Done that. It's possible. No? So when is, "nuff said" here? This fight was over long ago. No? Or maybe I'm missing something? That's possible, too. I was a newbie once and said lots of stupid shit the wrong way getting started on this board. And now at least I think I don't. Ir maybe I do? Just sayin.

Mongernator.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?11513-USA-Adult-Classified-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3564199&viewfull=1#post3564199

Jewelsbmw
Quote Originally Posted by Newbrad

To start off this is crazy! 2nd the person I thought I was meeting was texting me from 937 xxx4036. The pictures I received as conformation pictures showed a attractive young lady that was mid 30's with brown wavy hair in a top the was revealing one shoulder. This was the girl I thought I was seeing and the girl who meet everyone's description. We talked about time, place, and outfit and decided on all three. When I got there she was not wearing the agreed upon outfit and the interior of the house was very dark. There was a very large sectional couch to the right of the door and a recliner to the right of it. The TV was across from the curve in the sectional and there was a blanket and pillow on the couch. In the dimly lit room the my date was wearing a robe, when I arrived she went to the back of the house to only appear 5-7 minuted later. She looked older than the pictures she had sent me but that has happened before. We kissed for a little bit and then I went to DATY after she got off I stood up and their was sunlight (since our date was in the middle of the day) coming in through the window and I could finally see my date. She was well in her 40's with what looked like two deflated B maybe C cups flopping to her sides and she had a fair amount of baby damage. It was right then that I thought this sure didn't seem like the girl everyone was talking about. So I told her I was good and just wanted to do that and saw myself out the door. With as adamant as you our being the this lady is a true gem then it is my guess that I did not see her and someone who was staying with her and sleeping on her couch. If you need anymore info on this encounter please PM me or ask her. Remembering a guy who just stopped by to DATY and then leave is probably not that common for her if she is the gem you claim she is. Sorry my opinion of this provider is not what you would like it to be but I am just stating my experience. Have a great day. Thanks!


Sir, while I do not and can not speak you your expectations, however I can speak to the lady we are talking about. This is not an industry where your dreams come true, this is one of fulfilling a need which you obviously had. That is what thses ladies provide and let me just tell you that jewels is one that does all of that and more. She is beautiful, sensual, sexy, and above all else a great provider that has never, ever leaded anyone astray. This is you fault for not doing your homework and to degrade her is unacceptable. You need to learn the ropes and speak of the experience, not your fantasy.

[GreenTea543]

Sorry guys but aside from the fact this likely needs to go to this thread, I would only voice this opinion on this thread. No disrespect to anyone in this fight, but I dare to ask, was Newbrad really doing anything wrong? Seems to me he was being respectfully discreet from the beginning while wanting to express caution to the team as any newbie should. That's it. A YMMV scenario if I ever read one. Been there. Done that. It's possible. No? So when is, "nuff said" here? This fight was over long ago. No? Or maybe I'm missing something? That's possible, too. I was a newbie once and said lots of stupid shit the wrong way getting started on this board. And now at least I think I don't. Ir maybe I do? Just sayin.

Mongernator.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?11513-USA-Adult-Classified-Advertiser-Reviews&p=3564199&viewfull=1#post3564199

Jewelsbmw
Quote Originally Posted by Newbrad

To start off this is crazy! 2nd the person I thought I was meeting was texting me from 937 xxx4036. The pictures I received as conformation pictures showed a attractive young lady that was mid 30's with brown wavy hair in a top the was revealing one shoulder. This was the girl I thought I was seeing and the girl who meet everyone's description. We talked about time, place, and outfit and decided on all three. When I got there she was not wearing the agreed upon outfit and the interior of the house was very dark. There was a very large sectional couch to the right of the door and a recliner to the right of it. The TV was across from the curve in the sectional and there was a blanket and pillow on the couch. In the dimly lit room the my date was wearing a robe, when I arrived she went to the back of the house to only appear 5-7 minuted later. She looked older than the pictures she had sent me but that has happened before. We kissed for a little bit and then I went to DATY after she got off I stood up and their was sunlight (since our date was in the middle of the day) coming in through the window and I could finally see my date. She was well in her 40's with what looked like two deflated B maybe C cups flopping to her sides and she had a fair amount of baby damage. It was right then that I thought this sure didn't seem like the girl everyone was talking about. So I told her I was good and just wanted to do that and saw myself out the door. With as adamant as you our being the this lady is a true gem then it is my guess that I did not see her and someone who was staying with her and sleeping on her couch. If you need anymore info on this encounter please PM me or ask her. Remembering a guy who just stopped by to DATY and then leave is probably not that common for her if she is the gem you claim she is. Sorry my opinion of this provider is not what you would like it to be but I am just stating my experience. Have a great day. Thanks!


Sir, while I do not and can not speak you your expectations, however I can speak to the lady we are talking about. This is not an industry where your dreams come true, this is one of fulfilling a need which you obviously had. That is what thses ladies provide and let me just tell you that jewels is one that does all of that and more. She is beautiful, sensual, sexy, and above all else a great provider that has never, ever leaded anyone astray. This is you fault for not doing your homework and to degrade her is unacceptable. You need to learn the ropes and speak of the experience, not your fantasy.I know from experience that expectations are not always met. This has applied to services or appeal which can both be shrouded in an facade of advertising, pics, reviews, and ratings. All I can say is the term YRMV sums up very well most aspects of this topic. Physical and personal tastes can vary from person to person so any review with those parameters in question should always be considered with this in mind.

I have seen BMW numerous times and for what it is worth I have had a satisfactory experience with the cost put in consideration. She and I have clicked and our time was always nice. But with that being said and in context of this topic, each of us have our own tastes / interests as a consumer and our evaluations of providers will reflect what we personally desire. Example () For me, the fact that doggy is not available anymore have put her overall appeal in my book way down. This is just a personal thing for me and is a factor that determines on how I view a provider. Looks (body: face: butt: boobs: hair) have different precedence in my book the same way as other traits such as personality might. I am with this monger and am respecting his review as I feel it is a fair representation to his personal opinion / experience with BMW. Reviews should be taken in context with these ideas in mind to determine what kind of value a monger can attain with personal tastes / expectations, but while more importantly be used to judge authenticity, safety, or any particulars that may be important to know before jumping in.

BTW I recommend seeing Jewels I think she is a doll. YMMV though.

[RegulatorD]

Even if it wasnt, remember YMMV, and that goes from all providers. Remember the idolized Busty Britt, I remember a monger posting a negative review on her and he was repeatedly verbally pounded on this board. My main point is I appreciate all reviews, and I make MY decision to see a provider based on ALL reviews. So stop the white knighting. As a second note, lots of providers use old photos, filtered photos, body fat hiding photos, etc so have your expectations set accordingly.

[Kbrascal]

Even if it wasnt, remember YMMV, and that goes from all providers. Remember the idolized Busty Britt, I remember a monger posting a negative review on her and he was repeatedly verbally pounded on this board. My main point is I appreciate all reviews, and I make MY decision to see a provider based on ALL reviews. So stop the white knighting. As a second note, lots of providers use old photos, filtered photos, body fat hiding photos, etc so have your expectations set accordingly.Since I was the first to respond to Newbrad, I thought I'd add a footnote. I just asked for some clarification. There was no white knighting. His post was a bit contradicting of itself and I hoped to have a detail or two to help. Granted, I added my past experiences with Jewel which I had not posted earlier.

[XxTonyxX]

As a second note, lots of providers use old photos, filtered photos, body fat hiding photos, etc so have your expectations set accordingly.This gets on my nerves. The pictures these girls post are the best possible pics they can find. It's a form of advertisement, and you need to take it as such. I have never gotten a meal that looks like the picture on the menu, and I don't expect it either. If you think you are going to get the Big Mac from the commercial you should stay home and eat what the wife if fixing.

[SpaSearcher]

This gets on my nerves. The pictures these girls post are the best possible pics they can find. It's a form of advertisement, and you need to take it as such. I have never gotten a meal that looks like the picture on the menu, and I don't expect it either. If you think you are going to get the Big Mac from the commercial you should stay home and eat what the wife if fixing.This is when good info from boards like this one comes in handy. Some of these girls use the same photos for years, I've even seen timestamps on photos from over 5 years ago.

[Mahjac Ball]

I've spent more time and money in strip clubs than I'd like to admit to my parents. I think this comes from two things.

The biggest is that, based on listening in on other guys at the rail, many just want to see all they can see. If a girl can hold it open so you can see deep, these guys will (probably) tip better. I can't explain it, but I've seen it.

The second is that, partly because of the first-part guys, the girls do not know what else to do.

I started in strip clubs in the '90's in a newly opened club. Most of the girls gave gynecological dances. But there was this one woman who knew how to play with it. She is the reason I still love the slow rerelease of "Layla. " But I stood out in preferring her that (in a no-extras club) she'd sometimes hang out with me, appreciating my appreciation.I understand some have fetishes. For me, I look for the whole body experience not just looking at her as the life support system for the vagina. From some complaints on here, I think quite a few others have interests beyond the darkness within. Want ideas on how to pose sexy? Leaf through any women's magazine at the checkout at the grocery.

[TallGuy54]

This gets on my nerves. The pictures these girls post are the best possible pics they can find. It's a form of advertisement, and you need to take it as such. I have never gotten a meal that looks like the picture on the menu, and I don't expect it either. If you think you are going to get the Big Mac from the commercial you should stay home and eat what the wife if fixing.Within the past few weeks one guy on here posted on some of the girls pics, and complained they never smile. That's something that's kind of bugged me too. I'd like a o see a little bit of a smile just so that I don't see black teeth or holes in their teeth. But the one thing that really sets me off is when you see these ladies taking selfies of themselves with the toilet in the background. I'm like Tony. Are these selfies the best these ladies can think of for a pic on their ad? Surprises me that they can't think of asking a client to take a pic of them with the girls cell phone.

[Westy0311]

If you're performing oral fellatio on someone and you fall asleep with the man's dick in your mouth, you've got a problem.

[Repo1]

Why is it that these providers post "contact me any time through pm or the site" then never answer. Just wondering.

[Cartog]

Why is it that these providers post "contact me any time through pm or the site" then never answer. Just wondering.Probably a lot of reasons. Some of the ladies can only access the site when they get free wireless internet from their neighbors or a nearby business. Some are likely dealing with other issues while others are just plain inconsiderate.

[DaytonBoy]

If you're performing oral fellatio on someone and you fall asleep with the man's dick in your mouth, you've got a problem.Sounds like you got a massage in medway.

[Westy0311]

And I wasn't gagging them either, LOL.


Sounds like you got a massage in medway.

[Goodson2000]

If you're performing oral fellatio on someone and you fall asleep with the man's dick in your mouth, you've got a problem.It's likely pills did it to your girl. Oxy maybe?

Just curious. When a woman has agreed to give you oral sex, and she fell asleep. Is it a rape if I had to use her pussy instead? Pussy works well conscious or not. Mouth doesn't. Js.

[DenMark23]

It's likely pills did it to your girl. Oxy maybe?

Just curious. When a woman has agreed to give you oral sex, and she fell asleep. Is it a rape if I had to use her pussy instead? Pussy works well conscious or not. Mouth doesn't. Js.No you didn't. Gd you are fool for that one, (I mean that in a good / humorous way).

But your right it does work well conscious or not. Sometimes even better LOL jk jk.

[Cartog]

It's likely pills did it to your girl. Oxy maybe?

Just curious. When a woman has agreed to give you oral sex, and she fell asleep. Is it a rape if I had to use her pussy instead? Pussy works well conscious or not. Mouth doesn't. Js.Since you asked a legal question about rape, I was wondering...

Is this Statutory Rape? Or just a Moose-demeanor?

[Goodson2000]

Since you asked a legal question about rape, I was wondering...

Is this Statutory Rape? Or just a Moose-demeanor?I'm not a lawyer, not sure about technical terms.
I know this is rape and public indecency though. Possible assault on PO too.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/534/582/3ef.jpg

[LustForLust]

It's likely pills did it to your girl. Oxy maybe?

Just curious. When a woman has agreed to give you oral sex, and she fell asleep. Could be anything. Late night and beer (lots, and lots of beer) has done similar to me.

Several years back, when life was crazy in many ways, I would occasionally fall asleep going down on my woman. According to her, when she shifted her position, I'd wake up and pick up where I left off.

She was mostly amused, but we are not a very typical couple.

[Cartog]

I'm not a lawyer, not sure about technical terms.
I know this is rape and public indecency though. Possible assault on PO too.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/534/582/3ef.jpgI recall that case. That horse did get equine justice in horse court.

http://www.slaw.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/horse-in-court-757339.jpg