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SX Doctor and everyone else - I had gotten into a rut of Pine Tree, Paradise and Tokyo. For some reason I kept waiting until way late in the night before making the decision that "Ah, what the hell I'm going to an AMP tonight" and by then usually Sakura and Osaka were closed.
Then there haven't been very many good reports out of them two places for a while. So when I finally went early enough in the evening I decided to check out Osaka. Two girls working, only saw one girl. She claimed that I was her first customer of the day. Her looks weren't on par with the cuter girls at Pine Tree or Paradise, but I've seen worse than her at both those places, too, and all of them were at least cute enough for me.
Anyways, my last report describes the girl I saw at Osaka. I'm definitely going to check these places out a little more. For a minor step down in looks, what you get in return is much less traffic and the potential for much better and unrushed service.
I really can't name names publicly, but there's one girl at Pine Tree that just really started giving me the feeling that she was hustling or playing me. Not that I care too much, as long as I get what I pay for I could give a shit less what the girl thinks about me. But its just annoying to have her doing a superiority act and treat you like she's gaming you. If anyone wants to know who at Pine Tree to avoid, pm me and I'll let you know. Actually she started out giving pretty good service, but she's seems to be the type to relate kindness and repeat visits with being a chump. I prefer girls that are more down to earth.
I just wanted to throw that out there. Smokin' hot looks is nice, but its not everything. That Osaka girl I saw got real hot real fast. I didn't massage her or do anything special. I think she started getting really turned on while she gave me a cbj and by the time she mounted me cg she was already really close to cumming. I don't think she would have been that way if I was her 5th customer in 4 hours.
In retrospect, she seemed real happy just to have a customer. Sort of like when you're wife or girlfriend thinks the two of you are headed straight home and out of the blue you tell her you want to go shopping with her at her favorite store which you usually claim to hate. Just imagine that reaction, when she says, "Really? You WANT to go there? You're going in with me? You sure? I can go by myself after we drop you off at home... No? We're both going now? OK!! That's cool!!!"
That was the girl's attitude during the whole shower. She even sat in the sauna with me and gave me a little neck rub. She must have been pretty bored and lonely because she kept trying to carry on a conversation even though I could only understand about 5% of the words coming out of her mouth.
Realfun,
I have been using Osaka almost exclusively for just the reasons you mentioned. The last 2 times I've been there the door bell did not go off at all. Also the girls have really taken their time during the shower and massage. Paradise is too busy for my taste especially during the times I have a chance to go...late afternoons.
Tokyo is my second choice except for the location and lack of parking. I would really like to find a large breasted Amp worker if anyone has suggestions I would appreciate it.
Was in Rock again, did the drive around, like every other time right as I get in the area it starts to rain, with the bad weather not much out. Around 1AM it stopped raining for a while, seen some real freaks, things never change. Noticed a marked squad in the mirror following me so I had to ditch him. These clowns are so minor league compared to the Chicago PD it's almost funny.
Soon after I noticed a rather good looking young WSW on 7th, had blond hair, best I've seen in a while around here in a long time. Seen her again a few minutes later with 2 friends near the bank by Broadway, all young in tight jeans, they were white but talked like ghetto girls. They thought I was the heat & started acting goofy, tried a few more times but no go, then it started to piss rain like it was the great flood...called it night.
Rick James SF
06-12-04, 23:27
I decided to visit Rockford Saturday but I would decide which amp I would visit during the drive. Well I decided on Pine Tree. I originally thought I would go to one of the other places but I wound up there again probably because of the freaky time I had with Pink.
When I got there it was kind of busy with some dude sitting in the waiting room. Right as the door closed behind me a tall girl with a nice rack opened the door to get the guy in the waiting room.
I would say that girl was a 9 but I didn’t she much of her because Coco busted out. I got the famous “Honey how are you long time no see” like she was my best friend. She asked me if I could wait a few minutes then preceded to tell me we “Have four girls all young and pretty”
They must have been shuffling dudes out the back door because I could hear some guy talking to Coco in the hall before May came and got me and then he was gone when I walked in. I was happy to see May for the first time she had a nice body with small-enhanced breast probably a nice B cup.
May wasn’t the best session I have ever had but defiantly not the worst. Basically here is how I rate things
Looks – 8
Shower – 6
Massage – 4-5
Action - 7
Communication – 9
Ok Here is my explanation on things. She looks nice and smells good with really soft nice hair. She wanted to talk to me during the whole shower she washed all the good spots but I have had a lot better.
The massage was almost non-existent. She again wanted to talk about “things” and I mean everything. She then asked me what I wanted so I answered, “You know what I want”. So she held her hand out and left the room when I laid $1.4 in her hand.
The action was all right she teased me with her nipples and kissed all over very quick cbj then she wanted it on her back. So I gave it to her, which she seemed surprised and liked it but everyone knows I could be wrong.
Here is what was kind of cool we just lay there afterwards and talked. It was like a girl you pick up at the bar and she talked about things she likes to do like bowling and playing a Korean card game.
She is going back to L.A in 2 weeks, so I asked her why she comes here and she said for the money. She said the amp business is crazy in L.A. they are everywhere and she can make money fast in Rockford. Coco must have connections to a coupe places. Atlanta has many amps and that is probably the reason Pink is moving back and forth which Coco said she would be back in 3 days, which she kind of hesitated telling me.
Anyway sorry for the rambling but I would she May again but I wont ask for her. I will just roll the dice and take whomever I get.
Cougar68,
Hi, we do not hear too much about Osaka and Sakura on this board, please let us know if you are satisfied with the services.
Thanks
I saw May at Pine Tree. Fairly tall, pretty decent session over all. It was only a little bit busy, and I wasn't rushed at all. Very little talking or interaction so I can't really say much about her. At least I can give her an initial thumbs up.
Rick James SF
06-15-04, 14:16
Realfun,
I was not rushed either, I actually wanted to leave and she did not seem to want me to go. It was too much of a gfe for me.
After going to Paradise and seeing Sara the last two times, she was great, I decided to try Tokyo. I had read a number of posts and figured I'd give them a try. Boy, was it worth it! The mamasan acted like I had been there before, she didn't question me. I asked who was there? She said who do you want? The only name I remembered was Linda. She showed me to the room and called for Linda. I got undressed and Linda came in. She acted like I was her long lost lover, lots of kisses and touching. I wont go into all of the details. But this was as close to a GFE at an AMP that I have ever had. I will go back to see her as often as possible.
Coco, the mamasan at Pine Tree, only wishes she could be as sweet and SINCERE as the mamasan at Tokyo. I know you don't fuck the mamasan but its her house and she sets the mood and upholds the standards for her girls to meet.
Ahh Tokyo.
Tokyo was the first time I popped my Monger cherry. Well I should say FS cherry. The ladies in Belvidere introduced my to the good massage. Let's see...hmmmm....wow, 6 or 7 years ago? Damn time flies!
I've been itching to go back - and based on the reviews I've seen including Boomer's, it seems that it is the best AMP in Rockford. True?
Also seems like it may be the most expensive. When I went there, it cost me two Ben's which I was allowed to put entirely on the plastic. I was shocked as I thought it was one like Belvidere. Little did I know I would get such high quality service. Russian finish....plus a second round handy. Lots of fun conversation. I was there for a good two hours. But I'm pretty sure this was one of those fluke things of when your personality meets the right kind of mood with the woman...and sparks fly.
So I guess the point of this post - is it still 2.0 over there? Do they take plastic? Is it the best AMP in Rockford?
Hey Goo,
2 bones is a little high, bud. You should be able to get a very satisfying seesion for 1.2 - 1.4. Tokyo has been around a long time. Other amp's have popped (Excuse the pun) up, but they have always been kind of special. But I have to ask. Ywo hours? If that's true, then you got your 2 bens worth.
The mamasan is a sweetie. Tell her you want HER to massage you and see what she does.
DJ
Tom D.
I would definately recommend Osaka if you don't mind a limited choice of girls. They normally have 2 girls on during the day probably due to lower costumer volume than some of the other places. It's very close to Pine Tree so you can scope out both places and make your choice. If you are a newbie I would recommend Toyko because nothing beats an experienced lady when your fumbling around trying to figure out how to act and what to say in order to get what you came for!
Good luck but beware it's addicting.
Haha - yeah, I probably got milked. I remember paying the $60 entrance and then putting 1.4 on the plastic.
Which by the way I would not recommend any of you fellow mongers of getting in the habit of. Living in St. Louis I got carried away. Spent 2 years paying all my debt off.
But I will have to say it was a real fun GFE. Definitely the fact I was 24 had something to do with it - she was all "You so young".
Was an older woman (30's), curvy body. I remember her telling me how she had a kid and didn't like being in the business. Too many diseases. But very nice.
Plus are they open real late right? I think I went there at midnight and got out of there around 2.....lived in DeKalb at the time.
Goo and David John - we got two different things going on here. $200 total isn't too much more than expected for a fs session at any AMP, if you're talking about the total cost, as Goo stated, $60/house + $140/tip.
We could debate which is better, $40/30 min or $60/hr, that's just personal preference and experience and mood, how busy the place is, etc.
All tip comments are fs, of course. I've been finding $100 nearly impossible any more, someone else chime in if they've had more luck. $120 is about the base line. Some girls will make you bargain a little or a lot to get that price, some will just take it. Some seem that they absolutely will not take a penny less than $140. I guess its up to each individual customer and situation on whether or not you cough up that extra $20.
I will say this, though. Don't fall for any of their emotional pleas for a bigger tip. They'll use every trick in the book. My weakness was when they'd act like low-balling them was ruining the good karma we got going. Like we were getting along famously and headed for a great session, and now I got to go and ruin it over a measley $20. What you need to understand is that no matter what price she accepts, and no matter how bummed she SEEMS to be acting, 90% of the time she'll return to the room all cheery and the session will go as great as if you had tipped her $40 more than you did.
What I'm saying is that the service will not be better or worse based on the amount you tip.
The two busiest AMPs are Pine Tree and Paradise, and they're busy for some reasons. Great locations, open long hours, but mostly because of the larger staffs of the youngest (24-26) and cutest girls. Both rarely have fewer than 3 girls, and its not uncommon to have 4. Likewise, these two will make the harder plays for $160-$140. BTW, no one should ever pay 160.
Osaka and Sakura share either/or managers and owners. Not sure of the relationship, but there is one. Between both they usually have at least 3 girls that shuttle between the two. Sometimes they're down to only 2 girls, sometimes there's 4. Both close at 11pm every night including weekends, so the girls are better rested, and they do much less business than P.T. & P. so the girls are usually fresher and less rushed. If they even try to ask you for 140-160 she's just chump-checking you, don't even think about it. The average age is just slightly higher than at P.T. & P. (24-28) and looks are totally hit or miss, some hot and some not.
Royal is similar to Osak-ura but there's no connection. I think Royal stays open just a little later, like midnight, maybe even til 1 on fri-sat.
Tokyo does have the oldest ladies with some mid to late 20's occasionally. Usually the older ones are every wonderful thing you fantasize about "older women." Lets face it, Korean women age well. Even if they have a few extra pounds, they're relatively less wrinkly and saggy than many other races. Like a 45 y.o. with 20 extra pounds will have a tummy that's a bit soft but the pudge everywhere else will be firm with a shapely sort of roundness to it. And their skin is as smooth as girls half their age. I still remember Connie, who was like 52 and if you just saw her bod you would swear she was like 35 or younger. Her face was pretty and looked no more than 40. Basically, no wrinkles anywhere on her at all. Amazing. I think Tokyo closes at midnight every night.
I can't really say any one place is the best. I pick different ones depending on my mood. I'd recommend Tokyo for any one that's really green. If you're inexperienced, it can be awkward to be with a girl that is also inexperienced. They make everything really easy and relaxing at Tokyo. Very experienced guys will also enjoy the smooth relaxed atmosphere, too. David John is right about asking the mamasan for her massage.
Tokyo may make a play for 140, and of all of them I think its the AMP that most deserves it, but I'd still say keep it down to 120. You can always reward superior service on the back end if you're so inclined. Nothing wrong with rewarding excellence.
Having said that, I hope that as many of us as possible are doing what we can to keep prices down. I know it can be a hassle, especially if you're blessed financially, but it helps all fellow hobbyists if we learn to play the negotiation game. And remember, that's mostly what it is to the girls - a game. I'm starting to think that getting the max tip is less about financial needs and more about bragging rights with the mamasan and the other girls.
So if negotiations ever seem to get tense, just remember its a game and it won't affect service. Stay loose, don't show emotion, say as little as possible, don't get sucked into a debate. State your price and let it ride. If she gets real stubborn, then go for your clothes. She'll cave, I guarantee.
I apologize to a lot of you that have followed this section closely, I know I've said a lot of this before but it seemed like a good time to make some comparisons. And in case anyone missed it, around the end or middle of May I posted the names, addresses and phone numbers of all the AMPs.
If you have any questions about their hours just call them, that's about all the info you'll ever get over the phone, anyways. Actually, they're usually pretty good about telling you whether or not a certain girl is working there. Beware, its not uncommon for any of them to lie and say "Yes" that a certain girl is working, and then you get there and they have some b.s. story about she just left minutes ago for an emergency. That's one bad habit they just won't break themselves of.
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Enough rant, here's some hard data. I checked out Osaka just before close recently and had a brand new girl on her first day. Too bad I wasn't her first customer, though. Her name is Lee and is about 5'5", slender but really nice shape. Curvy legs, small but, flat tummy, med/small breasts that looked totally natural but ended up being implants. Very cute face. Overall looks as good or better than any of the girls at P.T. & P. Service was very relaxed, almost lazy, but not in a bad way. She's very laid back, intelligent, and seemed able to be accomodating... not in an aggressive or active way, but just seemed atuned to what direction I wanted to take things in. Ymmv, probably just a lucky chemistry thing.
I needed that, I've had a couple of bad experiences lately. Nothing worth reporting, no bad service or anything. I was just going from AMP to AMP trying to get some odd requests and ran into some bad vibes, realized later I was probably putting out some bad vibes. This post is far too long already without me getting into unnecessary wierdness.
Hobby on, bros.
Anyone care to comment these?
Chantilly Lace
(815) 965-4475 106 7th St
Rockford, IL
Exclusive Lingerie Boutique
(815) 968-2742 77 7th St
Rockford, IL
Kelly's Boutique
(815) 969-7222 1120 Broadway
Rockford, IL
Secrets Inc
(815) 399-8500 280 N Phelps Ave
Rockford, IL
Golden Touch Health Spa Inc
(815) 963-8300 1006 Charles St
Rockford, IL
Hi,
I used to work at Exclusive and will be hopefully going back after having my baby. Kelly's is closed. I heard Golden has alot of older women. Exclusive has nice girls that r fairly priced. Chantilly I don't know much about. I would try 1 of the LS shops
Unless someone can tell me otherwise, I think Secrets, Inc. is a lingerie for sale shop only. I dont believe they offer the selection of models for a modeling session like the downtown shops do. Again, if anyone else knows otherwise, let us know.
Pluto-
Haley is right on. Golden touch does tend to have some older providers. I have only been twice, but both times I was dissappointed with who was available.
Kellys and Brandys both closed. I have been to both Chantilly and Exclusive over the last few years. Although it has probably been 1 1/2 years since I've been to Chantilly. Like anything, YMMV is true for both places. But I have had a great time the last 5 times at Exclusive, but remember, I knew the girl. If you can't wait until Haley returns after her baby, go now and partake in the girls there. But save yourself a little something until Haley returns. She is the best.
Mike
Hayley is still available for outcalls in Rockford. If you are staying overnight it would be a good use of an hour or so. She was doing incalls in the O'Hare area but she may not be traveling that far now. Look in the Illinois classified ads for her phone number.
Chantilly Lace
(815) 965-4475 106 7th St
Rockford, IL
...I like Exclusive better. But I do know some of the girls jump between the two. I've been there once. I've heard the girls are not as friendly. That was my experience when I went there. I'm getting ready to try again though.
Exclusive Lingerie Boutique
(815) 968-2742 77 7th St
Rockford, IL
...been going here for years. I like it a lot. Not perfect, but awesome service. I've had some VERY memorable sessions. Probably my favorite place I've ever been to. But then again, I prefer American places.
Kelly's Boutique
(815) 969-7222 1120 Broadway
Rockford, IL
...missed out before they closed. Damn!
Secrets Inc
(815) 399-8500 280 N Phelps Ave
Rockford, IL
...no clue.
Golden Touch Health Spa Inc
(815) 963-8300 1006 Charles St
Rockford, IL
...haha! Do a search for Golden touch. There was some discussion a month or two back. Let's just say it should be called "Golden Girls" Touch Health Spa Inc. If you've go a thing for old women (notice I'm not saying "older" - I mean "old"). This is your place. I'd recomend Belvidere way before this place. Been there once.
Thanks Mike, check your private messages you have mail.
Hayley
Hayley if you're sending out coupons I want one too! Hehe.
Fellas, is there a porn shop in Rockford? I sometimes like to pick up a bit of visual material to get riled up when I visit your town.
Any recommendations - thanks!
By the way - swung by Exclusive and had a great time. African American girl - right on! I just had my first BSW experience, and I don't think I'm going to indulge too much in that. As I have a thing for black girls I'm always looking for a massage parlor type place that have black girls working.
Any case. Her name is Jasmin. Works most evenings until close. Not the friendliest, but far from standoff-ish. Attractive body. Really great treatment. I had a good time, and I'd highly recommend.
Can any one give tips about the ROCKFORD AMP? I am so new to this. Who is the best? WHo can offer multiple shots? etc.
Thanks
Call Me Goo, no porn shops anymore. There was one on 7th not far from Exclusive and Chantilly, also on the West side, but they closed. Doesn't make sense, does it? Hookers all over the place, AMP's, the other shops, but no porn. Weird city!
Goo,
No adult book stores in Rockford, no strip bars either, just a matter of time before they shut down those other adult businesses that are left, they just want to keep things as dull as possible in Dumpville.
A book store was set to open up in Belvidere a few years ago but the local right wing there went nuts & put a stop to it, they also shut down the towns only strip bar that was on BR 20, the Marquee.
Any AMP news anyone? I haven't been to one in a while and want to make the most of my next trip. Please report anything even if you think its old news or minimal or ymmv or whatever. Thanks.
Rick James SF
06-26-04, 23:25
RealFun,
I wish I could go, but my schedule during these months keeps me very busy. If I did go it would probably be news on Pine Tree or Paradise.
Let us know if you see anything new when you do go.
SF
I Luv 34C - there's no shortage of info already posted about AMPs in Rockford. Get your comfiest computer chair, turn off the tube, make some popcorn and settle in to do some research.
At the risk of being redundant I just very recently posted an IMHO summary of all the AMPs. Its not the first time I'v done it, either, and most of the comments made in these two summaries are repeated again individually throughout the years.
Besides my opinions, many others have posted their useful info. We've been out there spending, experimenting, mongering and then coming here to post what we've learned. I know you're not new to the hobby so do your homework and if you have any specific questions that haven't been addressed then feel free to ask.
I'll answer your one specific question about multiple pops. That's pretty hit-or-miss at AMPs. First its probably best to choose the $60/hr program. Its probably a good idea to talk that over with the girl before you start. If you're talking about each multiple pop being during fs, that will be hard to find. Having at least one pop done another way will be a little easier to get. She'll probably make a hard play for a larger tip. It shouldn't be necessary if only one pop is fs, but going $20 over the norm would be reasonable. If you want both pops to be fs, things could get expensive fast. Whether you think this is right or wrong is irrelevant. If she expects you to fill two condoms while inside her she's going to pretty much expect a tip thats at or near double the standard fee.
If you're really inexperienced its probably just best to not bring it up on your first few visits until you start to feel more comfortable. Just prolong your first and only pop as long as you can.
The best advice I can give you is telling you to report back here with your findings. There are AMP girls that will do multi-pops, but thats not the SOP so when you find a girl that's willing there will be many guys here that can use the info. Giving them a good tip is the least you can do to thank them for the dozens of pages of info they've provided here for your benefit.
Muskateer3
06-27-04, 04:00
Slapshot,
Do you know more about the book store in Belvider? Why can they have 2 massage parlors and no adult book store? I have heard some talk of the massage places being shut down also. It's a matter of the right time, but soon. Anyone know different?
Please advise,
Take care
Luv 34C,
The best place in Rockford I have for multiple pops is Tokyo. In my experience I have found the older women more accomodating in this regard then the younger women. And although I have not been to Tokyo in about 6 months I have always found the older providers there pretty hot and very accomodating. 2 pops with the first being on the shower table usually runs me $20-25 more then if I just did 1 in the room.
Because of time you need to let the girl know right away what you are interested in. If you do not there will probably not be enough time for a shower, sauna, massage and extras X2. That is when most ladies have said in the shower and the next one in the room.
The best 2 pop experience I have had was in Washington DC about 5 years ago. When I finshed up #1 with a provider and her appointment showed up right before #2. They swithed ladies on me for #2 and it was awesome because #2 started all over and she was hot as hell.
I also need to add that when I just started this hobby and I would ask for 2 pops, I have paid upwards of $75.00 2 pops 1 during FS and the other during 69.
As with anything YMMV.
Hope that helps YM
Did the cruise through Rockford last night Broadway from 7th to State many girls out. Most on average 5's or less, Possibly a 7 in the mix, but way too much LE presence for my taste. Ended up at Golden Touch and did the hour for $85. Chose an older gal. 48 she says I believe her name was Gina? Not sure but received a decent massage followed by a bbbj for 2 jacksons. Must have been a slow night! There was a much younger girl there possibly a 7-8 on scale but did not look very interested in seeing anybody, so I passed for the older gal. It was my first time at Golden and Gina did say as I was leaving that when she gets to know me a little better, she would see me outside of the Golden. Interesting!
Stay safe guys!
BobEastSide
06-27-04, 18:16
Work took me to western Connecticut recently, and I visited a place in Waterbury (see report I left there) that was head and shoulders above anything in Rockford, Chicago area, or Madison. Incredible. If you can make the trip, check it out. Funny thing was that the first girl I saw (Chanel) worked for a few weeks at Rainbow a couple of years ago, but left because she did not like the setup.
SeekPetite
06-27-04, 19:04
Uneventful ride to Rockford this afternoon.
Foul looking zombies were out.
Cruised from 2:30 – 5pm. My face was everywhere; see by all LE and SW’s.
Came home, going to relax and hope I get some tonight from the wife.
Was out Sunday as well. Splurged.
First stop - Exclusive. Session with bust Devin. Awesome. I've had many sessions with her, but they have always been good. I mean good fun! Highly recommended. 4 girls work there Sunday mornings.
Was in the mood for round two - so I figured I'd prowl around and see what kind of SW's I could find.
Saw one WSW. No way in hell I'd pick her up. Carring around a white plastic bag. Gave her the look to get a reaction, she nearly started doing jumping jacks to get my attention. Saw her twice - at 7th and Broadway, and 7th st and 7th ave. Man, cops out in full force. Other SW was at some Kwik Mart on 7th. Could have been one of the women working at C'est La Vie.
So at about 3:00 I decide to go to Chantilly Lace. Holy crap! It was when the morning and the evening shifts overlap. Fellas I couldn't believe it. A good 12 girls came out from the basement. One was in her 30's - the rest were 21 and under. I mean young! All looked great - and normal too! I mean I was kind of freaked out! They were all wearing sexy lingerie of one kind or another.
But that's where my luck ran out. I picked the finest one in the bunch - a hottie calling herself Jasmine. White girl with big natural tits, awsome curves, long dtraight brown hair......and the bitchiest god damn attitude I have ever encountered playing this game. One of these 1 hour is too long girls. Yapped about her boyfriend. Really umpleasant attitude. Would not do anything! Not even remove her top. Not even model! She just sat there. HJ'd me for about a minute. What a fucking waste! To make matters worse, she was talling me how she did lots of things with her regulars. Fucking attitude!
Under 21, ex-stripper. Super fine. No tip for her, and she made it pretty clear not to choose her again. Fine by me! But I will definitely try the Chantilly again - I mean I truely was blown away by the freshness, the young age, and the cuteness if the bevy of gals. May just have to get a 2 girl next time.
I have the impression that the girls that work here are not as "pro". In that they are all kind of inexperienced, and are not really worrying about providing great service like at Exclusive (or if they even know how to please a man - they are young after all). Any one have any thoughts? And any Jasmine regulars out there? She had a kickin' bod and am curious as to what she is like when it's on. Screw her though - never again, and I'd recommend the same to you guys.
One thing I will say about that ***** is she is pretty streetwise. Said that there was a secret room at one of the strip bars that had a bed in it......I'll leave it at that. One of the scummier places.
Muskateer,
There were several articles in the RR Star some years back, actually more than 2 years ago, the book store was set to open up in an industrial area I believe but were soon in court, the town hit them with all kinds of legal red tape, they were soon out of business before they were ever in business, was around the same time they went after the Marqee, a G Rated strip bar that
was around forever & never hurt anyone.
An asshole Republican trying to make a name for himself by getting a few adult t businesses closed down, all politics.
Both those MP's were raided several years ago, I was surprised they were still around. I mean they got hit hard, the IRS, County & local cops, was big news. At least one of the owners was facing felony charges.
Was through Rockford Sunday afternoon and was not really in the mood for crusing around (had borrweda friends 2 seater sports car sicne he wanted to use mine since he ahd some out of town guests) thus did not wanna draw attention to myself and only hit the normal area for SW once through, saw a few that looked OK and one who was way too obvious and passed. Headed down to the south side of town hoping to pick up a girl I had dropped off at her home last summer- I did a report on her then- no luck but about a block or so from where I think her house was saw a girl wh looked a bit like her who was giving me the eye. Circled the block againa dn when I got a beter look sw it was not Jenny but she wound up asking me for a ride. Turns out she was a working girl, 18 year old bottled blonde who has not been at it all that long- she just graduated from high school and her father booted her out of the house despite the fact she had no job or place to go. Said she has had no problems getting picked up along 11th street between Sandy Hollow Rd and the KFC- I found her on one of the side streets to the west of 11th St. She ahd no clue that there were other areas were working girls were much more common. Took her out for a meal and then to a hotel where we had some fun, all she asked for was to have the room paid for for the night since she has no place to stay. Needless to say she had no contact info.
Damn Ralph - that was exactly the kind of hook up I was looking for on Sunday!
Chief_Wiggum
06-28-04, 17:09
Goo-
Yeah, Jasmine sucks. I got a cbj from her a while ago. Luckily I only paid for the short program. I'm surprised to hear that she is doing less. I got to remember to get there during the shift change. Lots of hispanics last time I went, iirc.
SeekPetite
06-28-04, 19:59
What a difference a day makes!!!
Headed out of town again on business this fine Monday. Drove through Rockford on my way to Wisconsin. About 1pm met a cute WSW named Cynthia. Dark curly hair, teeth were a bit of a mess, legs scratched up, etc. No drugs, she was very clear headed and FUN.
I can honestly say I had the best two (2) BBBJ-TC in a long time, maybe the best ever. Including services from petitedanni.com. Cynthia provided a full body bath with her tongue. Just fantastic! No digits yet, gave her an extra 20 bones and my number. Can’t wait to get back in her mouth. Met her off of 7th street, close to the bank on Broadway.
That's approximately the right version of why the adult bookstore didntend up in business, and the strip club was screwed by not being grandfathered in. Probably a republican as you said, as most county politicians. The difference between these two places and the two downtown, is that the proposed bookstore was out of city limits, and all this new legislation to stop it was done by the county board, and therefore not in the same jurisdiction as the massage places. The bookstore would have been near some new subdivisions, however outside of the city, thanks to urban sprawl between about half of the spread from Rockford to Belvidere. I would say there isnt really an industrial area there. Of course being good republicans, and interested in further development of homes (which has exploded there, but far more on the east side and south side of towns than the west towards Rockford), they had to stop the store, and you're fairly right that the strip joint fell in the mix. From people I've heard that knew owners, one of the main county board guys had been quite good friends with the strip club owner (of almost 40 years), but was willing to screw the grandfather clause to make their "stand" look better to the citizens (never mind that subdivisions near the bar only came in the last 5-10 years) or perhaps to help the law against the bookstore pass easier, or even to get reelected easier. There's been a few versions there. Also, I wanted to add that the bar was great, fully nude, classy, but i wouldn't call that g rated either. I dont know the law and the massage parlor bust stories at all, but I do know that would be a city issue.
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!
I've never really looked around here during the day, surprised to read there's action. Better then at night? Funny, if some of these things look this bad at night I can only imagine how scary they'll look in the day.
Anything going on in the hotels on 11th near 20? Heard there was but a few of them were shut down by the city last year. I've never seen anything around them.
SeekPetite
06-29-04, 08:07
Slapshot:
I like going out during the day much better then night. In fact all of my ventures in Rockford are during the day. You can get a much better look at them in the light. There arte a few gems out there.
World Wise
06-29-04, 12:09
Slapshot,
On Rockford motels down 11th near the by-pass, the old Howard Johnson is now the Rockford Inn. Must have lost the HJ francise. The old Rockford Inn and the Six Penny Inn are both locked up and for sale. The Airport Inn is still doing business about the same as before. Allnight prices at the Airport start at $42 total on the back side, and $52 facing their lovely pool. No current day rate available.
Found a sweetheart at the MacDonalds near the Airport Inn last Thurs evening, and did my thing. If the LE would just go chase the bad guys, Rockford could be a lovely place to visit!
World Wise
06-30-04, 10:16
Invested almost three hours in trying todublicate Ralph's good luck with new talent in South Rockford last evening, to no avail. A few scary types around, but nothing worth spending my hard earned $ upon. Noticed a HEAVY LE presence on the 7th Street stroll in the 6-8 PM time slot. At one time I counted 6 policy cars visable from 7th Street and 10th Ave.
I finaly found an old familiar face named Cinnamon so the evening was not a total loss.
Sure would like to have found the type of provider that Ralph was lucky enough to find last Sunday. That is exactly what I am looking for out there all those hours!
World Wise
Call Me Goo,
I read your report on Chantilly Lace. It sounds like my kind of place. I had been to Brandy's and Kelly's in the past and always liked the lingerie shops. Although the experience of the young girls may be lacking, I sure do love those petite young tight bodies. I hope to try Chantilly Lace in the near future but am sure I will not ask for Jasmine. I had given up on Rockford since the closing of the other two lingerie shops. I have no interest in a massage and I thought that was all that was left. You never did mention how much it cost? I would hate to think you paid and got nothing for it. Are they set up with the half door things like the others did before they went out of business? I would rather pay for a handshake there then to pick up a sw, just not my thing.
Mad City Dave
07-03-04, 09:39
Made it to the Pine Tree on a recent mid-afternoon. The place TOO busy. I was welcomed by mamasan as a long lost friend. She asked if I was working. Because I wasn't I answered no. That could have been a mistake.
I was taken down the hall and they set up a chair just inside what appeared to be the girls personal space. Cell phones, makup etc on 4 dressing tables. Mamasan's helper gave me the remote for the TV and a bottle of water. Found the tennis match and watched a bit. Heard the front door chime a couple of times. But still was not shown a room. Heard mamasan give directions to the place, always telling who she was talking to that this was the number one place.
Finally was shown a room. got undressed, and was taken to the sauna. Was in the sauna a bit, when mamasan came in. She indicated that they were busy and asked if I, " could wait a little while seeing though I am not working". That I would not be as rushed. I was hesitant, but aggreed.
After about 20 min in the sauna, fully dripping with sweat, someone finally came and got me for the table shower. I really like the table shower. A lot of attention paid to the member area. The girl, Mimi, asked me which room I was in. I told her, and she opened the door, to find another couple in hot and heavy activity. They had moved me to ??? Mimi was embarrassed, mamasan then arrived and took me back to the girls personal space. There a bed/table had been prepared. Mamasan carried in my clothes etc.
Mimi then proceeded with the massage, which I enjoyed. Came to the flip and asked for the tip. I gave 1.2. she wanted 1.6 stuck to my guns, she relented. Mimi is taller than most, with natural breasts. The nipples rose to the occasion. However the process was very mechanical. Started with some blowing in my ear with some moaning as I carressed her. Wouldn't allow much exploration. Got me warmed up with some oral carressing of the member area. Then CBJ, fast and deep - no hands.
She then climbed on top. put her feet down, and procced to squat up and down, very rapidly. Usually I maintain my composuer with girls in that position, and usually they grind, instead of providing alot of in-out motion. This got me worked up real quick. Asked to slow down a bit, but she kept going. Finally I broke out of the engagement. She reached to re-engage quickly. I wanted to slow down, but she wanted to go - go -go.
We did re-engage, and she was on top with the in out from the squat position. I pop'd, and she kept going. I get very sensitive, so I was squirming alot. Still pumping, she started to attack my nipples. That was too much. I was in sensation overload. I finally got her to stop.
She cleaned me up and helped me to get dressed. Leaving the room, I was escorded out the back door. There was another customer jammed in the little kitchen area. He made a joke that he was the door keeper. Mamasan's helper was there covering his face with her hands. They go to great lenths so clients are not reconised by other clients inside. But the shuffling around made this trip more comical.
MadCityDave - I heard from another friend that Mimi tended to be a little mechanical. I'd be surprised if any of the girls could be anything else with the traffic through that place lately. Paradise always has done pretty decent business, but lately its just gotten completely out of hand. If I ever did go to Paradise, I'd go to great lengths to avoid the busier times, but it seems that's getting harder to do.
Now I'll just be trying out Osakura (Osaka + Sakura) to see if something decent is there. Its always dead and unrushed, even if there is only one girl working. The last one I saw was pretty hot but she's gone now.
World Wise, I spent some time with Cinnamon a couple of weeks ago. She was on 7th near Broadway. She was high, and drifted between incoherent and just buzzed, but I like my girls a little out-of-control. I took her back to my motel and we played for a couple of hours. I asked her if I could take some pictures, and that was fine with her. She even put some oil on her ass and boobs. She let me get pictures of her giving me a blow job and of me fucking her.
She used to dance at the Hideaway, and she used to work Chantilly Lace, too. I always thought she had her head on straight back then, but no more. Which would explain why she's walking 7th at 3:00 a.m. I was glad to find a friendly place for my cock that late at night.
I decided to go to an old haunt. Royal. Hadn't been there in a while and wanted to see if things had changed. From the outside, it appeared there may be 2 other mongers receiving attention. Rang the bell and a younger mamasan led me in. Had a table room instead of a bed room. Took care of business and mamasan led me to the sauna. I had asked if they were busy and offered to come back later if they were, but she said no. Sat in the sauna for about 10 minutes, then mamasan takes me to the shower. Gives a good shower but won't go near any "personal items". Then back to the room. Lay there for another 10 minutes and mamasan comes back and starts the massage. Has a towel over my butt, but gives a pretty good massage. Suddenly I feel another set of hands on me. And mamasan slips out. Damn! I would have liked her to finish. Didn't get the name of the girl who came in, but wished it was someone else. Pretty and pleasant, but $$ reared it's ugly head immediately. Realfun, you will appreciate this part. All the interest was gone. On the flip, she started in on the $$ again. I said, thanks but no thanks. I'm done. Got dressed and was ready to leave and mamasan comes back. "Why no hookey pookey?" Smiled and said next time. Spent an hour there with only a table shower and mamasans massage. Things sure do change.
DJ
O.K. Tittyman,
Let's see those pics!
Ohboy
I just realized that in my last post I kept referencing Paradise, after Mad City Dave had posted about his experiences at Pine Tree. I also meant to be saying Pine Tree, but the two seem pretty similar anyways.
David John - Yeah, you gotta be able to walk out or they'll run you through the ringer. So you didn't go somewhere else? I guess sometimes that kind of experience can kill the mood and/or just eat up too much time.
Just goes to show that no matter how much you try to be hip and wise to how to get a good program and go in with the right attitude, there's always a bit of luck, chemistry and ymmv involved.
I wanted to wait a little time to tell this story. It was a Monday morning and I wanted to try to catch a girl that I was hoping wouldn't have been to wore out from the weekend, so obviously P.T. & P were out of the question. Tokyo had two girls that I had seen before, and I liked them OK but was in the mood for someone untried. That left the other three.
First little problem I wanted to beat the lunch rush but I was running behind. It was already about 11am when I got to the first one and it was unexpectedly closed (found out later it was a lame mundane reason). Next stop also closed, same dumb reason. Third stop open, two girls working, one busy. The girl that came in was nothing special but more than good enough.
Second little problem that I brought upon myself was that I had a special little request that day. The girl didn't understand, she spoke very little english. I was just about to give up on the idea, and then the girl gets frazzled and insists on getting mamasan in to translate. I try to stop her, but she must have been a combination of curious and lost and grudgingly accomodating. Mamasan explained and the girl agreed... but with zero enthusiasm.
I tried to kill the whole idea but by now they were entrenched in the plan to show me that they are willing to accomodate special requests. Mamasan leaves, and I figure its best for me to get the issue dropped by taking control of the session. I offer the girl a massage, hoping that I can proceed through without the special request, and that I can get the girl relaxed and ultimately enticed and seduced, if possible.
Not. It was an argument to get her to let me massage her, but she caved. She couldn't relax during the massage, she was just too flustered and tense. I ended the session and left without tipping. Argued with mamasan for at least part of my house fee back, she gave me $20 out of $60 and she sure wasn't happy about it.
As I drove away I called the first two, still closed. Next stop, Paradise. As mamasan locks the door behind me some guy is letting himself out of a room and coming down the hall. Oops, that's not supposed to happen, so I just duck into the office and mama shuts the door and lets the other guy out. I didn't get that good of a look at him (he was kinda backlit) but I did see that he was about 6'2" and built like a Chipendale dancer and had long hair.
Without going into any details, I'm not built like that. Far, far from it. When mamasan then led me into the room that he had just left, the massage table was still messed up and the room smelled like, well, you know. And female musk was more in the air than anything else. Great. I that know unless you're the first in the day you're getting sloppy seconds, thirds or seventeenths, whatever... but I usually try to block that out. On that day, it was kinda hard to block out that the girl I'd get was still rubbery from the hunk that just made her whole week.
I wasn't even half way undressed when I just decided to not even attempt it. I called mamasan back, made my excuses and got my house fee refunded and left for Tokyo. By now its deep into the lunch hour and mamasan offers to have me wait in their office until a room is free. There's like 5 rooms in there and only two girls working, I declined. Off to Pine Tree. I get put in a room and almost immediately a decent new girl comes in to greet me. She says she has to finish up with another customer and she'll be right back.
I tell her to send in Coco, I tell Coco that I already had a full shower and all I want to do is wash my crotch to freshen up and I can do it on my own. She says just as soon as the shower room is ready. The shower stayed on constantly for about 30 minutes, probably 3-5 guys/girls went in and out of there. My girl finally comes in to lead me to the shower, I tell her I'll do it myself and it will take 2 minutes, she says she'll be right back. Five minutes later I'm yelling down the hallway for Coco, Gina, mamasan, ulni, ajimah, anyone, hello... after five minutes I see my girl come out of the office looking exactly the same as when she left me.
She gets me in the room and tries to totally bust my balls for $160. At this point, I wouldn't have paid it but as a test I offered $140. She refused! When I started to get dressed she got mad and almost kinda pouty and accepted. This was nothing like the fake acting mad, there was true anguish on her face. She stomped her foot, almost looked like she was gonna cry and gave me an honest to goodness dirty look. Its not often you see any of the girls or mamasans showing real, true deep anger, but I saw it in her eyes.
I was running out of time, I had to get back home and I just accepted that after going to all six of Rockford's AMPs I was going home with nothing. I had to physically fight the girl to get my $120 back, but of course Coco was great about the house refund and very apologetic. I didn't complain, I just chalked it up to bad chemistry.
On a whim I made one last stop into Paradise just to see what was going on. It was going on 2pm and I had my choice of 2 out of 3 girls, one was busy. I picked a girl that I knew wasn't with Mr. Chipendale. In the end it was a very memorable and rocking session.
Usually I don't have nearly that much time to ramble, and I either settle for substandard or go home empty handed. Sometimes it just be like that.
I guess to all the SW guys this seems like nothing, but with AMPs there's just such an expectation of being able to get satisfaction easily. And I know that's what divides the AMP guys from the SW guys. Some like the hunt and not knowing and the thrill of thinking quick on your feet, etc. AMP guys just want to step to the buffet and get served a thick slab of juicy, rare steamship round with gravy and all the fixings.
Back in Rockford on Friday midday. First thing I saw on the south side was teh young girl who I had been with a week or so ago, she did not recognise me since I was in my late model minivan rather than my friend's Delorean- it sticks out a lot. Drove around the block and she was gone.
went up into the stroll area and found an attractive young woman named Cinnamon who has recently been mentioned elsewhere. She was obviously high on something and had me take her back to her motel which is way up in Love's Park. She did claim she uses drugs and told me they are not a problem for her, did not buy this for a minute since she also told me she had been working as a $250 an hour escort in Chicago but left since she could find no one to sell her drugs there and the agency she worked at did not allow their girls to use drugs. Had a reasoanbly good time although she complained that I was to big since she was real tight. She wanted a drive back into town which I gave her and as we were leaving several otehr girls all less attractive approached and asked for a ride. I did not give it to them since I had the back seats of the van out but later saw them heading down the expressway protion of Rt 251 when I left town to head north. She gave me a cell phone number of her "manager", meaning pimp or dope dealer which I did not keep since I have discovered phone numbers are never good on my next visit to town.
I may-*MAY*, I promise to write a trip report if I can work it in- be in Rockford and for once I'll be coming from Chicago.
Normally, I'm a bit excited and drive a bit fast, so I was wondering if there were any speed traps between Chicago and Rockford.
Heck, throw it open and help first-timers by noting where the speed traps are from any direction.
P.S. Real or anyone else, when does the lunch rush begin and end, in your opinion?
Slopoke, you and I share philosophies.
Pricing seems to be pretty standard. I never went to those lingerie places, but if the stability of Exclusive pricing is any indication, should be the same.
Half doors are in effect.
Call Me Goo,
I read your report on Chantilly Lace. It sounds like my kind of place. I had been to Brandy's and Kelly's in the past and always liked the lingerie shops. Although the experience of the young girls may be lacking, I sure do love those petite young tight bodies. I hope to try Chantilly Lace in the near future but am sure I will not ask for Jasmine. I had given up on Rockford since the closing of the other two lingerie shops. I have no interest in a massage and I thought that was all that was left. You never did mention how much it cost? I would hate to think you paid and got nothing for it. Are they set up with the half door things like the others did before they went out of business? I would rather pay for a handshake there then to pick up a sw, just not my thing.
By the way - a suggestion for those of you who head up to Rockford from Chicago like I often do.
Big problem with Rockford are the lack of showers to clean up before hand...Or after depending on your significant other situation. I stopped at the TA on the way up there. Good clean showers with a private bathroom. $7 for non truckers. All the time you need.
Couldn't help but wonder how fun it would be to tag a ho in one of those showers!
SX Doc,
That's a good question, these hick towns can just be brutal, it's a huge source of revenue for them. I've been nailed 4 times in Belvidere for speeding since 96, then pulled over once for "going to slow" which was because my radar was going off for several miles as this cop rode my tail, all on Bus Rt 20.
I haven't had any trouble in Rockford itself but watch yourself when going through Belvidere, one of the worst speed traps I know of.
Was in town Mon night, chatted with a skinny 40 something WSW on 7th for a minute, had long dark hair, looked good till I got up close, was strung out, bad teeth, skinny as a rail, you could tell she was once very good looking. Did spot what looked to be an 8 or so on a Rockford scale along 8th, young, in shape & tight jeans but vanished quickly soon after.
Then like usual, started to poor rain, called it a night. Does the sun ever shine here during the day or is it always dark & cloudy?
SX Doc - I can't really say a solid time that things get busy at lunch, I haven't gone enough during that time to know of a solid trend. Most open at 10, and I think the lunch rush can start around 11 and be in swing by noon so I'd just recommend getting there as early as possible.
If you've posted info and if you really think you may go to an AMP soon then pm me for a recommendation. CaptAM22, you got the long version. Everyone else I'll keep it short and sweet for you, I know I can get to rambling.
I think my self-pitying sob story was looked upon mercifully by the AMP gods because my last session more than made up for lots of bad visits. Much good luck in one visit. Ymmv taken into consideration, she's a nice cute girl with some unique qualities.
Goo,
Interestingly enough, about those showers you wanted to tag a ho in; I'm pretty sure that's the truck stop in a movie with Al Bundy (Ed O'Neil) done by John Hughes (think Chicago and lots of travelling messups like Plain Trains and Automobiles and Uncle Buck) as a kind of Uncle Buck character, only he was mom's bf instead of an uncle. I forget the title, but I'm pretty sure they used that truckstop or one of them at that interchange for a scene with truckstop ho's! No! They didnt do them in the showers, but ho's at that truckstop reminded me of that!
Stopped at Paradise on a recent trip through Rockford, saw Jennifer, she is 5'5ish, real nice ass, and very well done implants, not to big, and they were very nice and soft. She was not into the GFE thing, but for 1.4 the f/s was very good, lots of moaning, and overall she was very into the f/s.
I saw 2 other girls in the hallways, both looked rather tall and very thin, but neither one was as good looking as Jennifer. Paradise and Pine Tree seem to be rather busy lately, so I might look into Sakura, but not sure where it is. I have only been to Paradise, Pine Tree, and the old Rainbow.
If anyone knows of any busty AMP girls, please pm me with any info. I know the AMP chicks are not normally busty, but I am sure there are some out there.
Whats the story with the Lingerie shops in Rockford? I have never been to one, but might be interested in checking a good one out. Any info would be great.
Capt - no shit! It's that one where he picks up his step kid huh?
SS. Check out my past posts for lingerie info. I'd also say they are very nice to strangers.
I finaly got on to this sight. It took some time because I had some spyware clogging my computer.
First let me thank all the regular posters here you gave good information and made it easy.
Now my story.
Took off from home and drove to Rockford to pick up some strange, I have knowen of the sw sean for meny years, been picken them up since the 80s, but not amps. I knew of there exsistance but not the dependability of their service.
After cusing the stroll I went to State Street Station and gave away a few bucks. BUt I coudn't even cop a feel. So I picked up a copy of an adult news paper with a great map showing the AMPS and other attractions. Thinking asians where not my type I went to Chantily and then Exclusive, all dogs and they where closing soon. So, I took another ride through the strole got turned on by the thoughts of what the evening had in store turnd the car around and drove off to Pine Tree.
The place seemed abandoned. It was about 11:00 PM and noone was in sight I opened the door walked in and there she was the famouse CoCo. Compared to what I had been seeing erlier SHe was a knockout. SHe greated me like I was her best costomer and then said have you ever been here before? Ofcorce I lied and said yes is Pink still here? SHe said no no you think of other place we treat you good five girls tonight al young all beautifull.
Got intoo the room stripped and in walked BeBe. Boys I got socks older than this girl. She is a 9 only because I have never seen a 10. I was left in the sauna allone. Then came the shower (why have I been washing myself all these years?) she washed all the good stuff. When ever she got close to my butt I would arch upward and she would scub nice and soft.
Back in the room she said you whant everything? I said just oral. She was disapointed but said you pay now ok. I gave her 80 and she said no 100 well I was going to play hard but this girl is gorgious so I gave her 100. SHe started with an ok massage really made me feel at ease. Now I sould tell you I am older than some of you and was most afraid I would not rise to the ocasion which is why I opted for oral not F/S. but on the flip when she took off her cloths and I got my first look at that ass and those perky stuffed tits well I was ready to go. She got right dowen to business sucking and moening and I was fealling everything even slipped in a diget. I suddenly realised I was bear back and then I came in her mouth she did not stopp just keept sucking and moening. she then got up and took a drink from a coffee cup.
Turns out I was not bear back. I do not no how or when the cover went on but wat skill.
I will go back next time for F/S and daty. No noncence just sucky sucky. Pricy but once in awhile you need to speend a few bucks on some great *ucks
SS Man,
As much as the AMP workers rotate, even if someone did find one who was well-endowed, she might be here today and gone tomorrow. If you find one, enjoy her while you can.
As far as the LSs go, there's plenty of info on this board. You'll have to do some research. The "Forum Post" feature on the left side of the screen is a great tool. Sit back in a comfy chair with a cold one and research away!
Welcome to the new members, SS Man and BJ Daty. Nice first posts. Glad you ended up with success.
Keep the reports coming, its good to know who's good at what.
I wonder why Coco said "no no you think of other place", almost as if she's denying that a girl named Pink ever worked there.
PM me for an AMP tip if you like. Non-posters need not apply. A follow up visit confirmed her reliability. I'll post publicly again in the future, but this one I'm keeping a well guarded secret, I think she's better unspoiled.
I promise, no marathon blow-by-blow, just the basics. Its going to be a while before I test out anyone new, this one's got me shackled. I'm going to ride her out for all she's worth until she's gone.
It may seem that all I'm interested in AMPs, I just can't ever find another option that's more appealing to me. But then just recently I finally discovered two non-AMP options that are more than enough to make me stray from my AMP routine. But I find them at the same time that I discover "AMP-girl-X."
So for now the other options will have to sit on the back burner until "X" goes on "vacation."
One of the other options is a low-key escort in Milwaukee, the other is a korean working for a Madison agency. I'll post reports on the respective boards once "X" has left.
Any of you regulars see the pregnant WSW Thursday night? Was with a group of 4 or 5, mostly blacks. Never seen that before, was wearing a tight white shirt, belly was just huge, had to be 8 or so months along. Probably the best thing I seen all night though, yep, that bad is right.
Talked with a pretty good looking WSW around 1am at the Kwik Stop, she was a little drunk, nice face, tight jeans in her late 20's, kept telling me I looked like a cop, was getting late & LE seemed to be all around so I just split.
Seen a black unmarked Crown Vic cruising around & harrassing SW's, hadn't seen an umarked car in a while. They're way over-due for a sting so watch out.
Well I found myself back in Rockford Friday afternoon, it was around 5:30pm and I figured most places would be busy, but after reading Realfun's report about Sara at Paradise I had to go check her out. I got there and the place was empty, lucky me. Was greeted by mamasan, and I requested Sara, was led to the room, and told to undress, but before she left, I playfully told her that maybe I would prefer to have her! She laughed and grabbed me and gave me a big hug. She then left and I heard her call Sara.
Sara comes in and I was suprised at how short she was, kinda curvy, but not fat, and very cute face. She has that look of the innocent younger girl that I like.
We head off to the shower, it was above average, and propper attention was giving to my ass, and on the flip, she was very into making sure my cock and the whole area was nice and clean, I really enjoyed that.
Off to the room for the massage, I was going to go for the tip money at this time, but instead she led me right to the table and was on top of me before I knew it. The massage was average, I have had better, but I have also had much much worse. Overall I was satisfied with it.
She gets done and ask "extra"? I of course said yes, and climb off the table and give her 120 she says ok and leaves the room. She came back in after like 5 seconds, long enough to count the money, and does the bj motion, I say no, everything. She says 120 not enough, 160 for everything. I counter with 120 is what I always pay, she gets that pouty little look on her face and stands there for a couple minutes trying to get more. I stand tough and say its 120 or I will go. She agrees and goes and gets the stuff.
She comes back in and lets me undress her, she gives my balls a great tongue massage, on goes the cover, and then onto cbj, nice and deep action going on here, I tell her to climb aboard. We begin CG and she really knows how to move on a cock. after a couple mins of this, I wanted to see that ass doggie style, we did doggie for another couple minutes, then I have her lay flat on her stomach all the while pumping away while laying on top of her. She is very much into this, and moaning and saying my name, I really liked that, it was very much like a GFE. I decided I wanted to finish with her standing bent over the table. I enter her from behind and start banging her really hard, she got even louder at his point, and I came hard as hell.
She cleaned me up, and then layed there next to me for a few minutes while we cooled down. Overall a great time. If you are thinking about going to check her out, you might want to do so soon. She told me she was going on vacation to L.A. soon for a month or two.
The suprising thing was that the whole time I was there, not a single person came in. The place was unbelievably quiet for a Friday afternoon/early evening.
Hey BJ Daty, welcome, and nice report on BeBe at PT, I might have to go check her out soon, I also want to check out the tip from Real. I will report back soon.
SeekPetite
07-12-04, 16:10
Hit Rockford today. Arrived around noon. The streets were loaded with LE.
Many cruisers, a few undercover and about three bicycles. I drove around for an hour, met a very shapely Hispanic / black mix. Bad attitude once she got in my car. Said .6 won’t cover two loads and only CBJ. I dropped her back off, although she had a smoking body!! I was about to leave when I spotted my girl Cynthia. Oh yea! Two BBBJTCCIM with spit for .4. Best BBBJ maybe ever.
Ok I was always told there are no stuppid questions but I think this may prove that to be wrong.
I would really like to DFK with an amp girl is this acceptable behavior or is she likly to bite my toung off?
Also, have any of you ever brought in laungerie (sp?) for her to wear?
Planning to visit Sara tis week.
I will report soon.
BJ,
Bite your tongue! LOL. While it's rare that an AMP worker will let you DFK, it's not unheard of. I've used other providers as well that allow this. You can test the waters by kissing around the neck and then leading to her cheek and then go near the mouth. If she doesn't move her head, then give it a shot. All you've got to lose is a tongue-lashing (sorry, I couldn't resist).
Chi Guy:
There's nothing better than a good complete tongue lashing!
Mick
Yellowtang
07-13-04, 09:37
Hi all,
I have money to spend and I'm looking for a threesome with two women. Want the women to play with each other then both suck and fuck me. Anyone know who to contact or place to go to get this?
Please help!
Sugar Bush
07-13-04, 14:39
Hey everyone,
I havent had time to post since becoming a member, so I will try to keep up with my experiences.
Last week I went to Tokyo and Linda was the only one available at that time, not that I am complaining she is tall and nice looking. She took me in the back room with the bath tub, I have no idea why there is a bath tub because they use the showers but anyway... The shower was the best ever that I had there, lots of ass cleaning with ball washing. We went back to the room and she laid next to me and whispered in my ear, I want to fuck you good. She said 1.60 I said for that 2 pops. No problem.
Guys, one of the best bjs I have had, balls in the mouth tounge in the ass deep as hell. I didn't last long there.
She got me hard again, 5 min later tagged her doggie the cow girl. She could squeeze her pussy so tight after that I filled that rubber up to the top. I was exausted. She said to me you think you could come 3 times? I was like 10 years ago no problem, but I don't like to run away from a challenge. She hoped on and road me for a good while then got off and started to give me the most unbelievable hj with a finger and it was all over.
When I was getting dressed she was telling me that that she never thought I could do it 3 times. We went over the hour so I gave her 20 extra and 10 to the Mamasan. Ask for Linda she is great at what she does.
YT,
A 3-way is available at Peking in East Chicago for $$$. However, I'm sure something could be worked out at either Pine Tree or Paradise in Rockford since they probably have the most girls working. You might still be able to get that deal at Exclusive, too. I had a 3-way at Rainbow (RIP :() and Exercise, but both were a while back.
Yellowtang
07-13-04, 17:04
Thanks Chi Guy,
Is it worth it in east chi for the threesome. Do the women play with each other and so on. How much would I be looking at for a blow job from both?
Thanks for the info again.
The last I knew of at exclusive, chi guy, three ways were very encouraged. I'm sure sometimes it's on the luck of the two you pick how much they will play along with that. I havent been since they've gone with their new restrictions of hours and on the doors, but if it hasnt affected their regular business completely, it probably hasn't changed that either.
YT,
When I was there, they just really paid attention to me. That was good enough for me. Of course, with one of them kinda obstructing my view ;) I wouldn't have been able to see much anyway. BTW, the $$$ got me FS with both. Couldn't tell you what a dueling French lesson would cost, but I don't think you'll be saving much.
SB,
I don't know what it is about Tokyo. So many times when I've gone, I've run into girls with great muscle control. Makes me think they have to be able to open a beer bottle without any hands before they can get a job there :D. That's why it's still my favorite when I go to the Rock. They may not have the best looking girls, but they know how to make a guy smile. The only thing that's been bothering me lately is the upsell. I just go in prepared, and they don't protest much.
TheShadow2
07-14-04, 08:19
BJ Daty,
Are you sure you want to DFK an AMP worker?
Remember, 5 minutes before you do that with her she was probably licking some guys asshole.
Still sound good?
Chief_Wiggum
07-14-04, 18:17
Yellowtang,
Getting 2 girls isn't the problem, it's having those two do lesbo acts that is. I've been around to a lot of AMPs, and it's one of the rarest things I've ever encountered. There was this one chick I was doing for free in San Francisco like 6 years ago (before I heard about this board) and she was adamant about not bringing another girl along, even if I paid. Good luck. I'm sure it can be done...I just never heard of it happening.
Seekpetite, What does Cynthia look like, and does she hang out on 7th St.? Carb
Hey YT
If you've got the cash - you can 3ways at both Exclusive and Chantilly Lace. Hell, I was in Chantilly not too long ago and right out front there is a 2 girl half hour special. I had one there one time.
I've gotten many, many 3 ways at Exclusive. I usually just go for the dual hand massage. But from what you descibe you want - probably talking about 1.7 to 2 per girl.
As for them going at with each other - probably not. But that is definitely more of a you gotta ask type of thing. Of all the 3 ways I've gotten in Belvidere and Rockford it was only offered once! Way back about 5-6 years ago at Exclusive. 2 roomates. There was a premium price for it. And in my opinion, I want them paying attention to me, not each other!
If I was a gambling man, I'd maybe try Chantilly for the girl/girl. The girls there seem very young - which in my experience means more experimental. But I could just be talking out my ass.
Peace
YT - Once recently I saw Annie at Pine Tree with 3-4 good sized hickies on her neck and upper chest. I put her on the spot, asking if a customer got out of hand, did she get mad and chew his ass or what. She said they were from Pink (Pepi) during a session where the customer wanted two girls. On a previous visit I had asked Annie (just out of curiosity, we were just talkin' shit) if she liked sex with girls and she said no. I asked more about the session, she didn't give too many details but she said she doesn't get any enjoyment out of making out with and rubbing against girls, but a job is a job. I'm assuming that's all they did, but who knows. They're both gone, but at least now you know that some out there are willing to try.
I hardly ask every girl I see at an AMP, but so far only a few have grudgingly admitted to being a little curious, but not too enthusiastic, about trying it with a girl. Only two were eager to try, and only one said she knew she liked it. If its that important, just get in the habit of asking every single girl you encounter, but don't have any expectations. One day you'll strike gold.
And you better tell us when you do!!!!!
To hedge your bets it may be best to go back and forth between PT & P, and on 3 out of 5 trips keep reminding the mamasans that you're interested in this. But insist on reminding them that you don't want it unless the girls are willing to at least act bi even if they ain't. Those two have the larger staffs and the mamasans are willing to work with you if you're a good repeat customer.
BJ Daty - You ask about lingerie. AMP girls are extremely gracious about receiving any kind of gift. They'll most definitely be very glad to wear anything you bring them. I personally steer clear of getting clothing for women, too much of a minefield trying to buy the right size. If I find a girl I like and want to give her a gift I get something else.
But I understand your point is that you want to see them modeling the lingerie you buy them. I don't know if they tend to be shy about telling their size or measurments but I'd recommend trying to find out that info before you buy something.
I do wish that they'd mix up the style of dress sometimes. I like what they wear, all the cute skimpy flirty outfits. But they're all in a similar category. I'd love to occasionally see them in sexy street styles, or a bustier with stockings, etc.
I'd really like to know how it turns out to give them lingerie. If you don't post here please let me know by pm how it goes with that. What you got her, did it fit, what was her reaction, etc.
World Wise
07-15-04, 15:42
Not much activity of the Rockford board these days.
Spent a few hours in checking out the SW scene in Beautiful Rockford last evening. Cruised in the 5-8 time slot, without much to show for it. A few "old faithfuls' out there, and a few older new faces. Scary Mary was on her usual post at 7th and 8th Ave, and there always seems to be a few hanging around the 25 cent pop store at Broadway and 9th. (Do you realize there is no longer a cent sign on these silly keyboards anymore? Just realized that myself!)
Finally found some company at 9th and Harrrison. Where has all the 'fresh meat' gone? Might have to resort to the MPs to find someone as attractive as my SO at home.
I went to Osaka tonight and started out with Lucy a very curvaceous girl with a large rack. Long story short she is hot, but she and did not want to give a massage or shower, she wanted to hit the deed right away, that is when I made up my mind to blow out of there. She did quote me .60 for CBJ and .80 for BBBJ. She was in a big hurry and I did not feel like just getting a hummer and hitting the road. I had been driving for hours up untill that point and I wanted to relax a bit first.
I went up the street to Pine and had a wonderful experience.
Coco greeted me like we were relatives. She did the table shower which was great. And then she pass me off to Tiffany for the massage. Tiffany is a young 20's Korean with enhanced rack, flat stomach, nice legs, and a great ass. The massage was ok it lasted maybe 10 minutes. I decided on a CBJ for .80 with DATY. It was all in all a nice session. She even massaged me afterwards and hung out with me and made small talk. Coco said she normally has 4-5 girls and she made me promise to come back. The whole experience was great, best attitude I have seen from girls in a long time. I would definitely ask for Tiffany again.
Tiffany:
Massage: 4
Looks: 8
Body: 7 (her boobs are way too hard)
English: 5
Attitude: 9
She was great all in all it was a great Rockford Experience the best I have had in a while.
I came up 39 North from a business trip and I stopped at the Truck stop in Rochelle (I think). At the Petrol station there was a working lady at the "casino" games, that gave me a big hello and a smile. She was cute, blond and young she got me thinking of company tonight, but I figured it was too risky at a truck stop. My car kinda sticks out. Has anyone seen or partaken of this kid of action and how much does it cost and where do you go?
Thanks take care
YM
Soul Vitamin
07-16-04, 18:47
I agree with Young Man's assesment of the attitude at P.T. I found the service to have Rainbow quality without the Rainbow prices. However, I wasn't there during a rush, so my girl's time wasn't an issue.
Saw May at P.T. recently. She told me it was her first day, but I just looked through some old posts and noticed that RealFun mentioned a girl named May about a month ago.
May is very cute, young and thin. I would guess early to mid 20s. She's very playful - kept sticking her finger in my ear and would laugh. Her body is great, which seems to be standard at P.T. May comes off as sweet and innocent, but she has a bit of a wild side when she gets comfortable. I'm curious how a second visit will be.
SeekPetite
07-16-04, 22:55
Carb:
Cynthia is not as cute as I originally thought. Seeing her from across the street and sober made a difference. However she has a great personality, nice smile, and is petite. I’d say 5 foot 1 inch and 100 pounds. Little ass, small tits. Just the way the ‘seeker’ likes’s them. She is a crack head and a drinker. Not that there’s anything wrong with that! I will see her again, and I have digits. Maybe a 4 on the Rockford s/w scale, but a ten (10+) in BBJJTCCIM technique.
Brunette, hangs on 8th by the bank.
Enjoy!
Looks like a little bit of mixed reports about how busy PT and P are lately. I guess they have their rushes and slow times. I'm glad others are reporting that there are some slow times, I'll be more prone to at least check it out and give them a chance again.
Pine Tree does run a pretty tight ship, consistent high quality service. Paradise is definitely a close second, and occasionally they take turns with the lead. The only reason I was staying away from those two for a while was because of a run of personal bad luck; whenever I went it was insanely busy. I dealt with it a few times, then I got burned out and wanted to have more of a guarantee of fewer other customers.
Well I like to spread it around anyways, and I've been happy and lucky with the girls I've found at other places lately.
The last time I was Osaka the girl was cute, slender, hot, sweet and gave unrushed service. Maybe she's over at Sakura now, it may be worth checking out.
Young Man, thanks for the warning about Lucy at Osaka. Usually AMP girls demand a little higher standard of hygiene both from themselves and the customer. Besides being rushed, it kinda sucks to think that she was the one trying to push you into a bbbj without a shower first. Yuck. DFK, anyone? No thanks. (BTW I like that rating system).
I think my next trip will be to see Tiffany, if they're not too busy. I'm not too picky about the chest, and my two favorite qualities are ass and attitude, which Young Man scored her high on. I'll let you all know how it goes.
Made the stroll tonight in Rockford. Did not pick up anything but I did see meny nice opportunitys. Almost like the old days then the le came out.
In all I saw 2 bsw all hags 1 fat wsw and 6 wsw one blond looked good I first spotted her on Boadway then by the bank. She was maybe 5'7" thin looked alittle slow. I also saw a brunet 5"10 120# she was smoking by the quicky mart.
There was a red head standing with some brothers she was about 5'2" 140# (maybe pregnant) she looked like a good possibility (unless she is pregnant)
The LE pulled me over on 7th and told me I should go home. So I did.
Happy hunting boys
I recently went to Rockford on a weekday morning.
It was a bit strange because I hadn't been able to call any of the places earlier in the week. Some were not answering and another number didn't work. Unfortunately, I didn't bother to call all of them.
I'd originally planned to hit Osaka out of curiosity. Instead, I saw a large man with a yellow shirt and a blue tie (or was it a yellow tie and a blue shirt?) standing outside and perhaps waiting for the place to open. No offense if that was any of you, but you did a great deal for my own personal body image because I feel better in comparison. I watched from a distance for a short bit before moving on.
I decided on Pine Tree because it was the next closest and the parking lot was not full. I was lead to a room by a woman who was not Coco, which made me a bit worried because no one had picked up the phone when I called, but my mild paranoia was allayed when a girl with a gold chain around her waist popped in.
So, that's Pink. Nice session, other than the cigarette breath that others have noticed. I had the most enjoyable and least rushed post-session ever, though that may be because it was a non-busy time of day. I don't think I can add anything that anyone else hasn't already said, so it may not be a useful post.
Out of curiosity, I drove by Paradise on my way out. Based on the number of cars, I would say that the place was packed between noon and one.
I think next time I have to fly somewhere, I may once again schedule an early afternoon flight out of O'hare and make a morning stop at Rockford on the way out there. If I do some good business, maybe on the way back I'll stop there again. Sounds like a good way to work out the kinks in your back due to a long flight.
Echo Bravo
07-18-04, 01:53
Hi,
First poster here. Didn't realize there was a whole community of mongers like this. Had just returned from a trip to Asia where I'd visited a legit MP, thinking it wasn't legit. Came home a bit pent up. Discovered these forums and drove to Rockford to visit Rainbow after reading about it here, but, as you know, it was closed. I must have read some of the much older entries. Went to find a phone book and realized that there were many more in town. Drove to another one and was let in by the mamasan. Asked if I could use the washroom (just to calm my nerves a bit). When I came out, mamasan was nowhere in sight, but a beautiful girl in a bikini-type outfit was walking the halls. She brought me to a room and told me to undress. She returned and took me to the TS. Being my first time, I was in ecstasy as she soaped me up, rubbed me down, and washed me up (especially the good parts). The thing is, as this was happening, we got into deeper conversation. I guess this is where I differ from you gents. I began speaking to her in Korean. She seemed pretty surprised, but really started to open up about herself. She had just come into town, and was just hoping to work here for a few months. After the shower, we returned to the room and began the massage. The massage itself was mediocre. On the flip, agreed to BBBJ. Ended up 69. Before I finished up, she said to me in Korean, "Let's have s_x. " I said it was ok (you guys must think that I'm crazy at this point), that this was enough. Touching-wise, she pretty much gave me free access to anywhere and everywhere I wanted. Afterwards, we cuddled and I asked her a lot of questions about how she ended up here, what she wanted to do, where she wanted to go. for me, very much a true GFE. She opened up a lot and I was surprised by her sincerity. A real good girl. Finished up with a final rinse off in the shower room, her fully clothed.
After that, I realize that I broke the first rule of mongering (is there an official list somewhere? )- do not fall in love. Well, I wouldn't say I fell in love, but I began to feel deep concern for this girl. A couple of days later, I called and talked with her on the phone for a bit. She told me to come in, that she'd take care of me. I was debating whether I should make the long drive again, but after hearing her voice, I succumbed. She refers to me with the term of affection that younger females call older males. I arrived and was brought to a room where I waited for about half an hour. When she was ready, she peeks her head in the door and asks, "Are you here already? Why didn't you call me first? " She came in and gave me a hug and a kiss. I asked her if she was busy these days, about her schedule, if she wanted to get some dinner (as you know, they can't go out- they eat there, and they go home with the other girls and their mamasans, and sleep in an apartment in town). We settled on the house fee and 1. 0 for a BBBJ (which is high, I know). To the shower and back, we kept talking and she kept opening up about herself. Back in the room, she started the massage and I asked if she always did it the same way. She said, "What do you want me to do? " I said, "I want to look at you. " So we cuddled for a bit. Again, total GFE for me. Then, she started with a HJ and progressed to a BJ. We whispered to each other about going to FS, and agreed we would. (Does this ever happen- changing services midway through? ) That was really hot- multiple positions, but in the end, she was playfully upset because I didn't let her finish. I guess my head was elsewhere and I didn't even think of that (goof). At this point, my hour was probably way over, and there were people walking around in the halls. I told her to go take care of them if she needed to, but she said that it'd be fine. We went to finish up with a shower and she joined me as we soaped and rinsed each other down. That was a good time. After I was out the door, I realized that she basically gave me FS for a 1. 0 tip (for which she didn't even mention anything), so I went back in and dropped her an extra. 4. I told her I didn't know if I'd be able to come again, but she said that even I can't come, to call to talk.
You guys must be thinking that I'm some kind of woman or something, cozying up like that with an AMP worker. Believe me, it was not planned, and these were my first AMP (or even mongering) experiences. I know that correct etiquette says that I should post the locations and names, but this girl's still got my heartstrings. Hope you understand. If I'm wrong, just ban me from this board. Just a question for the veterans, could you guys let me know if all of this is standard, or have my AMP experiences been totally different?
Thanks
TheShadow2
07-18-04, 10:33
Echo Bravo,
Your experience was hardly typical, and one many of us would love to have. This is the "GFE" most of us rarely get when we visit an AMP.
Obviously, your ability to speak Korean allowed you to get much closer to her than any of us English speakers could have done. Your personality also played a big part here, you sound like a nice guy and she was open and receptive to that.
I also had a "relationship" with an AMP worker about 4 years ago.
I would drive the 2 hours to Chicago once every couple of weeks, pick her up when the AMP closed, take her out, and then make love to her all night long. This lasted for about a year, then I met someone in my town and it just kind of fizzled out.
The problem you will have, (which I discovered), is reconciling in your mind the feelings you have for her while knowing she is having sex with dozens of other men at work during the course of a week.
In my case, she insisted (and was confirmed by WSG posts) that she was only giving handshakes to other guys. Still not the kind of thing you want your "girlfriend" doing...
The really fascinating thing about your report was that you could go to Asia and return home "a bit pent up". If only you had done some research on WSG Asia board before you left! :-)
Echo Bravo
07-18-04, 14:47
Shadow,
You're so right about the inner battle going on between my feelings and knowing what she's doing on the other side of that wall. Even as I was waiting for her during the second visit, I could hear moaning next door. Not sure if it was her (there was another worker there at the time too), but it sure bothered me. It didn't raise feelings of anger or bitterness at her. It only made me think, "That guy better be treating her decently right now." I mean, obviously, I don't know how she is or what she does with others. But with me, she's very open and initiatory. I'm assuming she's like this with everyone. I haven't asked her what she does/doesn't do with others. Don't know.
Another thing that's bothering me is how I'm treating this girl myself. Seeing her like a G with the GFE, but knowing she's an AMP worker. I realized that the first time, I wasn't very cautious because to me, it was a total GFE (no coverage). The second time, I was actually covered. I was also getting a cold around then, so I told her that I didn't want to kiss her and make her sick. So, on the one hand, she's like my G and I'm starting to care for her that way, but on the other hand, it's a business negotiation. I'm feeling pretty unsettled about it right now and I think it's getting to my conscience.
FYI (insights into the biz)- when she left Korea, she had no idea she'd be doing this. When she left L.A. and came here, she did know. She said the workers can leave the business at any time, if they want. It's just that when they're in a new town for the 3 month stint, they're not allowed to go out anywhere on their own. She's friendly enough with the other girls, but they're not buddy buddies with one another. She says sometimes, she gets lonely and sad (no close friends, far from family), but it seems infrequent. She's very upbeat and optimistic (really like that about her). She tells me not to feel sad for her at all. She said that back in L.A., she doesn't have the restrictions, so after work, she can go out or do whatever she wants.
One tip that I might suggest is something I did after the second visit. I knew she'd had a long day and was probably tired, so I gathered all the dirty towels and brought the armful to the laundry room on my way out (it's all my grime anyway). She was really blown away by that, but if you gents are wanting to win the favor of a girl for repeat visits, I think such little acts of random chivalry would do wonders. When do these ladies get treated like that otherwise? (It'd be funny if all the guys tried this and the girls just expected it from then on.) Be safe. Echo
Binged hard this weekend.
Dudes, Chantilly Lace rules! Well, let's just say my experience there this Sunday was awesome.
Got there about noon. And I think all the talk of a threesome put me in me the mood. So I figured I'd take a chance even though my last visit sucked!
Well got a kick ass 3-way. One of the most fun I ever had. And YT, these girls like to enjoy each other's company during the session.
Two girls that I think have some kind of relationship with each other outside of there. Mia (???) - dark skinned (Latina? Italian?), brunette, chunky, busty, pretty face, nice big but pretty ass. Victoria - curvy, brunette, perfect natural big tits, very cute.
Both had killer attitudes - very cool, very nice, playful and had fun. We laughed, groaned (mostly me), and talked nasty the whole time. Would love to party with these two outside of Chantilly. And from the stories I've heard - a few lucky Rockford guys have! SOB's!!!
1.4 for an hour of their company. .4 tip each. I ususally just go for hand massage - so you never know what else is on the menu!
They work Sunday afternoons - and 3 ways are their specialty. They said they do many of those. If you have the cash - or are thinking with the little head as I was today - I'd HIGHLY recommend.
Except you better call and make an appointment, because I have a feeling I'm going back this Sunday for a second helping!
Echo Bravo - don't sweat the supposed "rules" too much. Enjoy yourself, whatever you're into. Welcome to the board and the hobby.
The rules that maybe you should be concerned about you can discover if you do a little research on the board first. You haven't broken any, obviously you have some sense to be discreet about certain things. Obviously the point of this board is to share useful info with other hobbyists, but sometimes its better to keep certain info off the public boards.
Just set aside an hour or two to browse through several pages of various places that interest you and you'll start to get a feel for things. If you're unsure about something feel free to ask for help, either on the board or pm a senior member that seems to have experience in the area you have a question about.
I'm glad you found a girl you like, and to be honest I'm also happy for the girl. Finding a customer that is so far out of the norm for her must be quite a treat for her. These girls rotate around the country quite a bit and they don't always have total control over their reassignments. Next time you talk to her try to find out when she "goes on vacation" which actually means leave town, probably forever.
Have fun, study up, play safe and keep it real.
No problem at all Echo. I'm chronically single and I tend to be attracted to party girls who have cool attitudes. Well, I've been serviced by a few (hell, a couple this past weekend) that left lingering thoughts in my head about them.
That's actually the part of the hobby that freaks me out the most - those little things delivered that turn a session into a GFE can be intoxicating! Makes you wish you wern't having the "experience", but having the real thing. At least that's the case for me - I know a lot of you guys also have relationships.
I think with the hobby you'll find you have a better time when you treat these ladies like ladies, and not scum or pieces of meat. BUT do keep in mind that for the most part you are a client - and a lot of times they'll exploit you if you give them half a chance. Just as if an unexperienced provider offered you services for less than the market value.
The best pros will service you physically as well as psychologically - you leave her company feeling like a million bucks. One girl I love to see does this. And she says all kinds of hot things, acts in certain ways, does certain tricks. She makes you feel like you're getting special treatment. Well after comparing notes via PM with other mongers up here - it's very much a routine she has developed. Not that it matters, but you get my point.
Have a good time - don't spend to much money. And at least for me, I've hooked up with some regular girls since my adventures in mongering...man...pros tend to be much, much better! What a curse!
Peace
P.S. My first FS experience was at Tokyo in Rockford. While my experience was not as in depth as yours, it was very nice GFE type experience that lasted a good 2 hours. I think when you're a novice, the ladies like to break you in.
Hoser asked if I would share the experience I had in Rockford.
I was pulled over after running up and dowen the stroll several times. I had no intrest in picking up a provider so I was not tooo discreet. I made several "U" turns and pulled over to the side a few times. I had not seen any LE so I continued to cruze.
A girl even yelled at me which made me reolize I was probubly screwing things up for anyone who was actualy looking to buy.
I decided to leave the area, but I was too late. A blue unmarked car hit the lights.
I pulled to the side without fear as I had done nothing wrong (I hoped) one oficer came to the drivers side and another stud at the rear of the car. THe officer asked how I was doing I said ok till now. He said till now whats wrong now? I laughed a little and said well this is not my favorit expereance he smiled and asked me why I was in the area. I told him I had gotten lost looking for the Rot Skeller. He asked are you sure you arnt looking for drugs or a prostitute. He explained that it was a big problem in the area men driving up and down 7th looking for hookers. I said if that was what I wanted I had seen many working girls. He said most of them have aids and other diseases I would not like to catch.
He then asked for my license and ins. card. I gave it to him and began to sweat. two other cars (scwads) came by and then left. The cop came back with my stuff and said I should probubly go home and if he saw my car in the area again he would find a resone to take me in.
So, I left.
I hope you do not mind a fairly longf and bland post but if it is usefull to you, I have done my job.
My next post will be about the amazing sex I had at Pine Tree or Paridice or...
BJDaty,
Happened to me twice. Once I was cruising and not paying attention and went the wrong on a 1 way street. Got a ticket and a lecture. The other time I was stopped for being too obvious. I think I said that I was looking for a real massage parlor. Anyway he didn't buy it and told me to get out of town, but he couldn't hold me for anything. So I parked on a side street and had a $1 session with a little blonde who had been displaying her wares in the window of a now defunct shop on Broadway. Wasn't worth the hassle. What gets me is that all LE and officials know what goes on in Rockford and if they wanted to clean it up they could. Compare Rockford with Peoria. Peoria has SW's but no AMPs. Years ago Peoria was wide open with a red light district, massage parlors, the works. If government wanted to clean up Rockford they could.
Let's be careful out there BJ. They're probably saying they'll find a reason to take you in mostly to scare you. But on the other hand, it can be easy to accidentally to give them that reason if you're not careful. So to be redundant, be careful.
After reading about Rockford, I finally decided to drive the extra 20 minutes from Belvidere where I usually go and give one of the AMPs there a try. I went to Pine Tree on Monday at about 12pm. I was greeted by the legendary CoCo and she was as courteous as you all said she would be. She took my .4 and then took me to the room where I met Gina. Unbelievable. She is by far the youngest I have ever been with in an AMP. Told me all the girls there are younger. Anyway, I am hooked on this place. Clean, gorgeous girls and not too shabby on the price. .4 at the door and 1.3 for fs, daty, cbj, dfk, and light rj. Thanks for the info and I will keep you informed on my travels.
Has anyone has a a go with CoCo at the Pine Tree? She is a still a pretty sexy lady. I was working her hard when I was there and she kept saying she was Mamasan and she did not do that any longer, as she was laughed and washed my package. She told me that is now the job of young women.
Just curious, I have a thing for older Women.
Reading some of the comments regarding being pulled over made me think a bit...I've had 3 or 4 run-ins with the local LE here over the years, but you learn what to do & what not to do to avoid this type of situation. I haven't been stopped in a long time, probably 6 or 7 years. If you do get pulled over know what to say & what not to say. The last time I got pulled over they asked me 3 times if I was a cop because I wouldn't back down to them & knew my rights. Even after he used the F word several times.
You really have to know the area very well, the streets & alleys, keep one eye on the road & one eye in the rear view mirror at all times. Know where to go & what to do when you think your about to be tailed. Make sure you don't have any burned out head, tail, brake lights ect. before hand. Avoid SW's working in pairs or if there's dudes hanging around near them. Know what type of vehicles the plain clothed "undercover" heat are driving. Usually very easy except during sting operations when they use regular cars like we all drive.
You're a sitting duck cruising around this hood in a nice car & if it's past 1:30 AM in Rockford forget about it, just go home, the only thing on the road at that time here are cops or customers. Not like Chicago where the bars are open till 5 or 6 AM.
In the HoH (www.heavenorhell.com) rockford section I posted about my two experiences with her. That was before she was a manager (I think she's too young to call mamasan).
Yeah, she still looks pretty good. Her attitude and the way she dresses kinda gets ya goin', too. But I don't think its too likely anymore. Seems like once a girl stops working she really means it. I think a big part of it is for her to uphold an image in front of the girls. The one time I did get with a mamasan she made me swear to not tell the other girls. We agreed on some story that the mamasan just gave me a massage (which she regularily did anyways, she was incredibly strong and gave a great massage), and then I just felt I wasn't in the mood to perform so I backed out to return on a better day.
But hey, keep trying. She's a good sport about it and takes it as a compliment. Maybe one day you'll get lucky.
If anyone isn't wanting to go to HoH for the story then ask again here or pm me.
Echo Bravo
07-22-04, 02:31
Mongering plunge:
Decided to expand my horizons and saw Gina at PT. Some of you have been with her- thin all around, 5'5"ish, very small top, cute Japanese-looking face, chain around waist- about a 7 to me (I'm a face guy). During the TS, I asked her what her age was and she said to guess. I said 22, she looked shocked, so I went lower. She's 25. At the time, she said there were both older and younger girls there. She was pretty playful- slapped me on the back and shoulders a lot, like K-girls do, when I'd make a joke. Due to my inquisitive nature, she accused me of being a spy.
Before Gina came in, settled with mamasan Coco at 1.4 since I told her that that was all I had in my pockets- it was. She claims PT is the best in the land. Found out from Gina that it'd be a CBJ. (Yes, usually, I negotiate before shelling out the $.) That was fine with me.
PT's atmosphere is nice- lighting and fan. Massage was a teeny bit below average- she's a small girl. It was more like she was moving her hands back and forth over the towel. I asked her about her rules and we had a funny chat about "holes." She started with a light BBBJ, so I asked if I could DATY. At first, reluctant, but eventually agreed, telling me to take it slow since she was sore. I said that I would and went in as light as a feather. Basically, she got so worked up from that, gave me the green light for FS. She's a quiet one, a whisperer- that was nice, as she gave directions for what she liked. Ended up being pretty nice- about a 6. Came back with a hot towel. She told me to come back next time, see her, and give a good tip. I said, "Ok," wondering if I would.
She led me out the back where there were 2 girls smoking- an older 6 and late 20's 7 (cute face). There was another one napping in front of the TV. Got less than a second long glance at her, but looked like an early 20's 8- would've liked a better look. The smoking really turns me off, but it seems that most of the girls smoke- you can smell it in their hair. What's interesting is that if you drive around the back of PT late at night, you can peek inside and see who's there taking a smoke. Gina had no clue how many other AMP's were in the Rock. Coco knew exactly how many were working at another small AMP at that exact time. It's funny how the girls know so little of what's outside their walls, whereas the mamas know all.
Gina was a good find for those who like thin and petite, but for me, my girl still wins out. Had THE BEST IN MY LIFE with her recently, but no point in really sharing since the experience can't be duplicated. Still hope that's ok boys- I share everything else since I've learned so much from y'all. Thanks. For whatever it's worth, one thing I did learn (you may already know this)- for the girls, it seems there's a rank in the AMP's. If there's a spot open in one of the bigger ones, the girls from the smaller ones try to go for it- an AMP ladder.
Be safe,
Echo
Echo Bravo
07-22-04, 04:19
And more plunging:
Had to try the LS experience since that's what the other half of this board is about (well, other third since we have SW's, but that's too much for me).
Exclusive or CL? Well, when I finally found them, I went to CL, after reading Goo's latest escapades there. Three girls at the front, forgot their names (I'd say three 2-3's). Honestly, after reading past posts, I was expecting 8-9's. Maybe my expectations were too high. As I was walking out, one of them did say, "We have a shift change in 40 minutes." I thought that was kind of amusing. Looking back, should've checked it out.
Crossed the street to Exclusive and met 2 girls. Asked for Char- cute face. Again (much like my apt. experience), are we AMP guys spoiled with the hot girls there? Why is there such a difference? Maybe I went on the wrong day at the wrong time, or is my rating scale different from yours? FS for the experience. Professional attitude. Very nice girl. Still, my brevity in this post communicates my enthusiasm for the experience. Think I'm done with the LS's.
Be safe,
Echo
GlobeRunner
07-22-04, 13:34
Youngman,
When Coco use to work at Paradise as manager she also worked part time as massage girl. I never wanted to see her cause the other girls were to my liking, but she does turn me on. Anyway I extended my session with one girl named Pink. Not the Pink/Pepi you might of heard of another Pink. I couldn't finish my manly goo. So Coco joined in on the session to lend a helping hand. While i was pumping away on Pink Coco was naked talking dirty. I still couldn't finish so Pink left to serve another monger and coco played with herself and gave me a HJ. I actually finished my man juice on her chest and some of it went on her face. I didn't want to do that cause of respect for her. She said it was Ok that she likes it on her face. Didn't have to fork out any extra dough. She said that it was good customer service. But now I think she is just mamasam. But who knows right attitude right dough what's 1 more time for her if she's done it hundreds. Maybe you can ask her out on a date and get it legit. I know that these ladies are also dreaming for romance.
Went to PT last night, it was extremely busy for a Weeknight, Pink is on vacation and the other girls were all busy so CoCo convinced me to try new girl named Apple.
When I first saw her I was disappointed, Apple is a curvy korean (I like slender), maybe 25-30 years old (I like early 20s), and cute but not beautiful (I like beauty). But man was I happy with the service, great attitude and exceptional skills, one of the best massages I've had in a long time. I normally just leave out the back door but this was so good I had to find CoCo to thank her. If your going to Pine Tree I would Highly recomend Apple.
Hello all,
Long time lurker; first time poster. Been out of the scene for a while but finally getting back in for different reasons.
Unfortunately, my first experience back in wasn't too good. I've never gotten more than manual service at a massage parlor (trips to Belvidere, VIP in Norridge a long time ago, never found another good AMP to make that connection, etc.). So I decided to go to Rockford, as I've never been all the way to Rockford nor all the way at an AMP.
I read up on the posts and decided to try Tokyo. Pretty standard routine ("You been here before? Who did you see?", etc.)...I got Michelle. Maybe a 5-6 on the AMP scale, younger than I expected there (though I suck at guessing Asian women's ages), pretty slender. I got a nice table shower and a weak but teasing massage. I was close to receiving Asian but it was just a tease. When she asked me if I wanted "full service", I agreed, hopped up, and handed her $120 without discussing an amount. She counted and would not move below $160 even when I asked for (and got) the money back and told her I though I would just prefer an hour of massage. So my little head decided to split the difference with her and she agreed. (Sorry, guys, I tried to hold the line.) I gave her back the six bills and added one. She stepped out and came back. I got rushed. Two minutes of nuzzling her A-cup breasts and nipples, two minutes of CBJ, then 1 1/2 positions, and no chance to slow down -- it had been a while for me since I'd been with a woman, so it didn't take long. A few more minutes of bad massage and then she leaves the room, clearly indicating that the session is over (though I knew I had time left). Not the worst conceivable session, but I could have saved myself a chunk of change and honestly had a better time in Belvidere getting a stroke job.
This doesn't seem to be standard for this place according to the reviews. I would have complained to the mamasan but it has been so long since I've done this that I couldn't work up the guts to do it. So, next time, either I ask for someone else, go to another place in Rockford, save a few miles and go to Belvidere, wait until my next business trip and get some while out of town, find a new girlfriend, or just beat off.
Bottom line: Avoid Michelle. Times like this, I really wish Chicago had brothels like most other cities I've been to in the US.
It's been a long while for me out of the scene, so any advice on handling this situation, or what to do if I return and she's the one who greets me at the door, would be appreciated.
When I look deeply into Coco's eyes all I see is
$$$$ $$$$
Hey Echo - sorry for steering you wrong bro.
I think it really comes down to personal taste. I've been to my fair share of AMPs (though I've only been to Tokyo and Rainbow in Rockford - been to most in Chicago including apatment services).
Me, I'm not all that excited about the Asian girls. The one I did have at Rainbow was a young, lean cutie in a bikini and sexy heeled sandals. And it was a good time. My first tast of GFE as well with her lying next to me casually playing with my junk.
But with the American girls I feel I have more of a connection, and in my experience the chicks get dirtier. Easier to communicate. Plus I like to get in all those wierd porno and fetish moves - with the American chicks, they tend to be waaaay more game to doing these things. Also 3 ways can always be had if you have the cash (something I like a lot) - don't know if this is the case with the AMPs (but plenty of stories seem to exist of random exceptions). I mean if I'm going to pay for it - I want something to remember!
I also have an easier time relating to the Americans, you know ease the mood, talk about partying, oh let's not forget the mutual dirty talk. With the Asian girls, communication is pretty limited.
Hehe - and before fucking Oprah calls me to be on a show about how to emotionally relate to a ho......I just dig American chicks bodies more. Hehe - nothing I like more than a fling with a trashy young (or maybe MILF'ier) thing. I LOVE curves. No Asian flat asses for me! A little junk in the trunk is what I want - and big boobs drive me f'n crazy! So definitely what I declare hot, may not be your cup of tea.
And admittedly, I'll always....well, ok often....pass on good looks for outstanding service. I also have to admit that receiving a REAL massage before the deed, as well as being bathed and scrubbed down by a cute Asian is a really kick ass experience that I would recommend every man experience at least once in his life.
But all you guys posting about AMPs has definitely reminded me it's time to dip into that pot next time I'm in town. With so many selections - who knows where I'll choose for some Korean!
But definitely to all of you newbie mongers (and fuck you to all the lurkers, cops and politicians who are looking to milk votes and are reading this) and others who may use my posts as advice - if you're expecting hot stripper style looks (which we'll say is a 10 on a ho scale), you will NOT find it at the lingerie places. Ex stripper, maybe, but no glamour girls.
Peace
Thanks for the report BJ - I usually cruise up and down 7th when in town just for the hell of it. No longer. Seems like lots of busts are being reported here and on the Chicago board lately.
Echo and Goo,
Echo you were probably right when you said you should have checked Chantilly Lace out after their shift change. Although i've been to neither in at least a couple years, my experience was that night girls were always better looking (and better, younger). I know one recent poster said he got right in at shift change 3?) and had no shortgage of better looking girls to pick from. I dont know how they are now for looks as Goo stated, but i t hought they had a c ouple decent ex-stripper types (one I know for sure was, and she was a solid 9 in the face, and a sweetheart to boot). I wonder how the legal changes they faced may have changed the personnel a bit. I admit, I agree with Goo on how nice it is to communicate with a provider in english sometimes, and I confess I've gotten spoiled on the shower and massages (with FS, unlike Belv.) of the AMPs, but it would be nice to go back one time. Exclusive has always been the better looking of the two (and the two left at this point).
That a fact real,
I was at PT this afternoon. Coco greated me like I was the King of the USA. I opened my arms and huged her and said I want you to do me today She said aw you I don't do that anymore we have six girls here all young all beautiful. I asked for apple she was not in I asked for pink no she not here I asked for Be Be she work tonight. So I tried again Coco I said I will not be happy till you give massage. she put me in a room and said oh you be happy soon.
Gina came in small young maby 23. She gave me a great tble shower and then into the room. I only asked for oral she wanted 160 I said no only oral 100 she said 120 for phelasio (sp ?) it was so sexy the way she said it so I agreed.
The massage was good. She was just getting started when in walked Coco, Coco stood by my head and rubbed my sholders and arms. She was teasing me about how I could not handle the two girls. She said somthing to Gina and gina laughed I hope it was not at my expence but the experiance was nice. COco did not stay long the bell rang and she was gone.
Oral was great.
She stayed with me after and teased me about my dimple. That thing has gotten me alot of attention.
By the way when I was leaving I spoted a car with WI plates was that you real?
Soul Vitamin
07-25-04, 00:29
I've been going to Exclusive more recently, but I do agree with you guys...you won't find any glamor girls, but some are decent enough in a slutty kind of way. I look at it like this, I would rather get laid by an AMP girl, and I'd rather get head from a LS girl.
I like to mix things up. There's a lot of options in this town....
1. AMPs - Class and quality. There's more than enough info posted on this.
2. LS (Exclusive) - Like shooting fish in a barrel.
3. LS (Chantilly Lace) - Like shooting prissy fish, with rules, in a barrel.
4. Pick ups at the bars - Hideaway, Paradise and Surf. Like shooting the Exclusive type fish without the barrel. This one is under rated and one of my favorites. Dancers who come down from Milwaukee and the burbs, plus the local dancers, girls who come in as customers - all looking for the right paying guy. The downside is you have to spend time hunting and there are no guarantees. Plus, it helps to have a room and the balls to ask her to come see it.
5. SW - Plenty of crack in town to keep the girls on the streets.
Speaking of options in Rkfd, anyone know anything about a girl named Taylor. I've seen posts on another board, her and Haley do incall by Ohare sometimes. I think they use to work at Exclusive. She has a web page...
http://hometown.aol.com/taylorofrockford/myhomepage/personal.html
I assume it's ok to post that link. If not, someone let me know.
>>Pick ups at the bars
I've got to agree. I used to frequent the Surf and got to know a couple of gals there.
One in particular would essentially make out with me in the back room. I had an all-access pass. I kept asking if she wanted to visit my hotel after hours, but she had a babysitter she had to get back to (she said it was her mom, but looking back, I think it was her boyfriend). She sounded real dissapointed, but yet she never took me up on my offer. I've been back recently haven't seen her in over a year.
Another gal, who I've seen only once or twice, pretty much begged me to drive her home after a particularly nasty private dance. I don't think she wanted me, I just think she wanted to get home to her drugs. I didn't want to get caught up in that, so I said no thanks.
I've heard that they speak french at the Hideaway, but I've been underwhelmed by the quality of dancers. There was one hot, trim, black girl sounded like a college student and looked like a model. The private dance was great, but I wanted to be 'safe', so I didn't partake as much as I could have.
There was this club (whose name I forget, it's up in an A-Frame type building on the north side near a McDonald's) which paid off once. The private dances were up in little closets on the second story. There was this one very pretty, shy woman, great b**bs, couldn't dance very well, who basically attacked me during the private dance. I think she had a 'daddy complex' and I was the 'daddy' that tripped her trigger. After we got downstairs, I was going to make a play for it, but the place was pretty crowded and there were only two dancers, so I couldn't get a word in edgewise. Oh, well, Strike when the iron is hot.
I think as the heat on the street forces things indoors, the freelancing dancers are going to become more and more prevalent. Just stick to the Surf, Paradise, and Hideaway and you might luck out.
Thanks to everyone for sharing information.
Please keep in mind that highlighting specific clubs is a great way to bring the heat down on them.
Roger C's post of 11/15/03 is probably the best way to get at these issues - it lists the clubs in order but doesn't talk about specific acts.
I love reading graphic stories but cringe whenever I read one that is too specific about I place I like. Think about PM for those.
How do I find Pine Tree? It doesn't show up on MapQuest.
Is this the best replacement for Rainbow which I have heard is closed? Please PM me with your suggestions.
Sewerrat
Made a trip to the Rock on Saturday afternoon and stopped in at PT for alittle relaxation. CoCo greeted me at the door and asked if I had been there before, of course I said yes to which she replied that it must have been awhile. She took me to my room and collected 2 Jackson's and said enjoy. A few moments later in walks Apple (sorry Daty Bj she was busy when you came in that's why she was unavailable) she is cute with a nice build and speaks English well. The TS was excellent I'm thinking at least ten minutes with great care taken to get everything squeaky clean.
One unusual thing was no sauna afterward just directly back to the room where she dried me of completely and then gave me a very nice and extended massage. Guys if you like shoulder and neck massage Apple is very good at it. I asked her where she is from and she said Korea(no da!) but that she now lives in New York. Apple lives in the big Apple funny stuff...anyway I ask for the complete menu which she provided nicely. Overall it was about a 7 on the scale but I have to say PT overall is topnotch and I will be visiting again.
SR,
Try smartpages.com and look under Pinetree (one word).
Corndog #2
07-26-04, 18:39
My Friends,
What is mongering etiquette in the AMP? Is it BYOP (bring your own protection) or will they be adequately preapred?
SR - also directory assistance on the phone will get you the number, and Coco can give good directions. Especially because its easy to get to. Its on the south side of State St about one block west of the intersection of State and Alpine.
Also check my post dated 5-19-04 for all the AMP's addresses and numbers.
Let us know how it goes!
Soul Vitamin
07-27-04, 20:04
Hoser, I agree with your post. I'm leary of putting a lot of info on this board because of LE and the crusaders. When the heat was put down on the AMPs and LS recently, the media pointed to this web site as a source.
Some discussion on this topic from others would be helpful. Anyone have an opinion? Thoughts? Suggestions? I know that I've held back some stories because of the crusaders. Time has passed, but I'm sure they still check the posts (hi Alderman Holt).
I check out the Bloomington board and have notice that those guys became very careful with what they post after one of their AMPs got busted.
Rkfd has put the clamps on adult clubs (bars). I hear they won't allow any new ones to open - some licensing thing. Some would like the existing ones closed also. I don't get that. Those clubs are harmless.
To clarify my earlier post about Hideaway,ect, don't think that these clubs are any kind of front for extras. They're not. My earlier post kind of makes it sound like the girls are lined up inside waiting to please you. That wouldn't be accurate. The percentage of dancers who will do anything is very small. In fact from what I know, if mgt. suspects a girl is whoring out of the bar, they'll can her. Still, with a girl who's behind in her rent, not getting many tips dancing, you bought her a couple drinks....
An interesting note I've heard to add to Soul V's thoughts. The AMP's and LS' have been fairly left alone for awhile (that doesn't mean a stray crackdown or two couldnt come), but the SW issue is another story. The big story locally the last couple of weeks (at least relating to this issue) is that a neigborhood off 6th st (probably a block and a half maybe from heavier sw areas, has had a problem with prostitutes and other people wandering through and leaving their needles , condoms , etc. in the backyards off the alleys. Having lived off an alley that sometimes gets that traffic over by 9th ave (although I never saw anything), I dont especially like the guys that take their SW into an alley, and I applaud those of you who bother taking the cheap motel route. That sounds like the case for all that I've heard here. Personally, if there's going to be street action, that's where I prefer it ending up, otherwise, that's why I more actively condone the LS/amp type of shop. They do have kids there. Enough of that issue, anyway.
TO get what to I was originally intending to say, the residents had approached Ald. Holt, who Soul referred to. What I'd heard is that now Ald. Holt has a Bagel and Bread shop on the north end of 7th (perhaps down by the liqour store?) and that he may have told these residents now he can't deal with these issues by himself and that he doesn't have time for it. (Quoted or paraphrased from the citizens themselves), which i found odd considering that his whole tenure has been that gung ho. (Hi to the good ald. also, if he's really indeed reading!) The neighbors though are organizing a watch. Be careful you guys on 6th St! However, i think the problem is more what the SW is doing after or before or away from your visit. But something to think about.
Capt, Hoser and SV, everyone, great points. I keep telling myself (and others) that I'm going to tone down my posts a bit, then I start to slip.
Some of you know that I've been using the pm function a little more when I like a certain girl and don't want her to get trampled by all the useless lurkers. I think it may be useful to use the pm function a bit more for sharing nitty gritty details, whenever its necessary to do that.
And when it comes right down to it, how important is a blow-by-blow anyways? Its fun to write and entertaining to read someone's better stories but there may be a downside, too.
The bottom line is, that I'm pretty sure all the pertinent people know the deal, anyways. Do you really think it comes as a surprise to the chief of police or the head of the vice dept that prostitution is occurring in Rockford? Its not as if they need to give out O.T. to a team of detectives to investigate and find out what's REALLY going on.
Now, if Joe Hobbyist has to go out of his way to obscure and discreet locations to (maybe) get a little somethin'-somethin', and its all sort of seedy and mysterious and underground... Then Joe Biblethumper has little traction for his crusade. He has little more than rumor and inuendo to get the congregation all fired up.
But its kinda like thumbing our noses at them when our exploits are bragged about for all to see on the intergalactic jumbotron (internet).
You're always going to have hobbyists who want to hobby, and providers that want to provide. You'll always have crusaders that think they can stop it, and cops with varying degrees of effort to fight it. Some cities have gone down the road of aggressively trying to shut down the hobby to the extent that they can, some cities have progressively become more fun, but few have stayed exactly the same.
When I first came to wsg I just followed the lead and did what others had already been doing without any serious consequences. Since then I've learned that these things aren't necessarily static. Just because Madison was once throbbing hub of activity doesn't mean it was destined to stay that way forever. It seems that in some cities the hobby is pretty safe, like New Orleans. But in most cities things can change.
Anyways, my point is that most of us who read this board know what the deal is. Certain things are better kept underground. Lets post safe info like physical descriptions and a general sense of attitude, personality, style, enthusiasm, overall satisfaction level, etc. Newbies should be able to post or pm reliable info that could only be learned in action before they're given good insider info.
Also, lets not start a hate-war with LE or crusaders. Its easy to talk of them only in terms of their effect on our hobby. Most hobbyists I've ever met are decent guys looking for a little fun. Most providers are decent ladies just trying to get by, even crack-ho sw's have feelings and some redeeming qualities. Even most crusaders aren't ranting anti-fun extremists, and most of them do a lot of good for the community and are dedicated to living a good life and making their community a decent place for their children to grow up. And most LE are decent working stiffs like the rest of us and really do want to help keep their communities safe. Please don't flame this, I know about the exceptions, etc, lets just start out giving everybody a little benefit of doubt.
I mean EVERYBODY! we all need... we all know the deal... hobbyists, providers, lurkers, crusaders, researchers, etc but especially LE... we all know, we all need...
At this time, I'd just like to say:
"We're so glad to see so many of you lovely people here tonight. We would especially like to welcome all the representatives of Illinios' law enforcement community who have chosen to join us here at the (World Sex Guide Forum) at this time. We certainly hope you all enjoy the show and remember people that no matter who you are and what you do to live, thrive and survive, there's still some things that make us all the same. You, me, everybody, everybody...."
Everybody needs somebody
Everybody needs somebody to love
Someone to love
Sweetheart to miss
Sugar to kiss
I need you you you
I need you you you
I need you you you...
BJ Daty - no, it wasn't me there that day. You also may want to be a little careful about posting info that could make it easy for anyone, AMPs especially, to connect you the customer to your wsg handle.
Now for some useful data from the field.
Pepi/Pink got fired for accidentally shitting on a customer. Now she works at Hormel as an official taste tester, she's put on about 50 lbs and is turning tricks at a truck stop. PM me for the location.
The real reason you won't get a session from Coco anymore is because she used to be a man, and her operation to have her penis turned inside out to make a vagina collapsed and she has a penis again. It probably can't be corrected. To bad she never dug anal. If you're into he/she's then she'll flash ya for $50.
Tokyo has a girl named Pear who is shaped like a pear. She has big puffy cheeks, and she can deep throat you and take both your balls into her cheeks, so her face looks like a pear. Also she shaves her snatch which is shaped like a pear.
Have fun and be safe!
I made my first trip to PT.
After a nice chat with Coco, where I told her that I had seen Pink before at Paradise, she promised me Pink next time (If she is still there - RealFun). She hooked me up with Gina. Coco was a nice lady to talk to
I've seen several posts. Very young and slender.
Massage was so-so, but that's not why I was there.
We had a great session. seemed like she was rushing to completion, but I kept things going a bit longer. Its always nice to check the action out with the mirrored walls. Felt like I needed a nap as I got back on I-90 to Chitown.
They treat you very nice here. I'll be back.
Kaman1
Garbanzo, didn't mean to blow you off. Some times posts pop up in a funny way and I somehow missed yours until tonight.
I'd say you did pretty good. If you got the time and the will its a good idea to walk out when they call your bluff. No matter how cool you play it, if the whole scene is very foreign to you then the girls can be pretty good at sensing a rookie and will bargain tougher. Probably had something to do with you having a first hobby experience in a long time, and in a new and strange place.
Even if I assume that you're profession requires you to be an icey negotiator and that you've been hobbying in many venues, etc, and there was no way that the girl would have "sensed" any hesitation or nervousness on your part; even if that were true, my gut tells me that when you were walking out with your $120 refund, she just KNEW that you'd be willing to cough up that last $20.
No shame, that's just the game. $140 isn't out of whack by any means. But next time you go, do this just for the fun of it, its stunts like this that gave me some personal insights into negotiating. Go into an AMP that you have no intention of doing a full session in. Pay the lower house fee, $40. Insist on being able to self shower and pass on the sauna. Only make the girl "help" you wash your dick and balls.
Back in the room, insist on immediately negotiating extras before you start anything like a massage. Stay hardcore at $100 for fs. Threaten to walk. She'll let you go. Ask for house fee refund since all you did was self shower. You may not get it back, or you may only get $20. But then you might get all $40 back. They'll think you're nuts. Don't debate, don't get sucked into a discussion about why or what's wrong. Say as little as possible, show as little emotion as possible. Be pleasant, cocky and loose, but hold firm.
Even if you lose $40 on the deal you'll have learned a valuable lesson. And you'll have the experience of "walking out" under your belt. It will help you immensely next time you make the "threat" to leave.
Then go to the next AMP and, if you have to, pay $140 rather than walk. There's really no point in risking losing another house fee, you can only throw so much good money after bad.
BTW, yes your experience there was untypically bad. That's just the luck of the draw sometimes. Stick with locations and specific girls that have been favorably reviewed here. Look for Linda at Tokyo, Sara at Paradise, Apple at Pine Tree, etc. Avoid May at Pine Tree, Lucy at Sakura/Osaka, etc. Usually Tokyo is a pretty safe bet, but you drew a bummer.
And also, thanks for TOFTT, we now know to avoid Michelle at Tokyo.
I hope this helps. Great first post, looking forward to more!
Echo Bravo
07-29-04, 13:32
I think I'm going to win some award for most AMP visits within the shortest period of time, like "most addicted hobbyist". I remember reading a veteran's post- don't spend too much $. I guess I'll listen now, not by choice.
From the past couple weeks.
At Paradise, made a request, just to try something different. Asked the mamasan for the youngest worker. She sent in Jessica from SF. I think she'd be the tallest one there. 25- don't think she'd be the youngest, would she? She came in all kissy and huggy, fluttering her lashes. Didn't like that since we'd just met- too fake. About a 5-6. Not my type, especially face. Very unattractively pouty when I didn't want FS. When I inquired about services, she didn't want #2 because "it's too hard." What is that? Lazy.
I actually asked about some of the other workers since they were walking all over the place while we were in the hallway, especially a cute, short one (guess it was the well-known Sara). She wouldn't tell me anyone's names. Said she was jealous and that next time I'm in, just to ask for the shortest one. Then, she started getting insulting like she was trying to get back at me, and actually asking if I was getting upset from her insults. I told her no, that Koreans are just way too blunt sometimes. She laughed it off, along with a "oh, I'm just kidding, let's make up" hug.
Don't know why I just didn't ask for someone else. Why am I paying her for her services and getting made fun of? Don't think I'm cut out for this mongering business. Rest of the session was lackluster & unenthusiastic ("oh, it's too hard"). If you want any kind of a decent, enjoyable, and relaxing AMP experience, I would highly NOT recommend Jessica- unprofessional, fake (hate that), extremely rude, childish attitude, & poor service to top it off.
Visited Osaka and found Lucy. The mamasan just got there from Tokyo Spa, I believe. Maybe they're trying to kickstart business? Lucy's 24, from LA, and hot, hot, hot- for me, a solid 8 or 9. For those of you looking for the Asian girl with the rack (couple of you were looking), get to Rockford- here she is. On the short side, but very cute face and awesome attitude too. She's a hard worker- aims to please, enjoys what she does.
It's pretty admirable- she's carrying almost all of Osaka's business on her own. Most of the time, she's the only worker there. Her English isn't too extensive, though she was asking me how to say new phrases. I was wary due to the previous, seemingly negative report, and I asked her about cleaniness in a roundabout way. Basically, she gave me the best TS scrubdown I've had at an AMP, and little things here and there tipped me off that Youngman's incident may have been a one time thing (maybe caught her at the end of the day and if he'd opted for BBBJ, would've washed up first?). Offered me the shower and gave me a cup of mouthwash afterwards to let me go home spic-n-span.
Really enjoyed the session, especially since business was slower there. No rush, in all, with the shower (9), sauna, massage (8)... spent over 1.5 hrs there. With this one, I do believe the Korean helped a lot. If Osaka could get a couple more high-quality workers, it could be real contender. Would highly recommend Lucy.
Met Apple at PT. I guess she's not the type that some of you like, but to me, this girl was beautiful. She was the 7 (now, I think an 8) that I saw before walking out the back door last visit. Cute face, and sweet figure- good proportions, and looks HOT from the back. Funny incident with Coco (don't want to give myself away, but let's just say that if you ask, "Is ______ working today," she'll always say yes. PM if you want specifics). Saw May too (7).
Very nice session with Apple. 28- Korean age. Some girls give their Korean age which is 2 years more than their American age (when you're born, you're already 1, and then on Jan. 1, everyone turns another year older- so by your actual first birthday, you're 3 years old- interesting, right?). Says people get her name wrong often. She was May when she was working in NY/FL, but since there was already a May at PT, had to choose a new codename. (Once I asked one of the girls what her Korean name was and she said that there was no way she'd share that info.)
Very concerned with hygiene (all fingernails are dirty). Seems very experienced. Didn't really get the massage (I will next time though). Let me wash in the shower before and after. At the end, took me to the sauna to dry me off since I was chilly, where we continued our lengthy chat. Told her that her English and pronounciation is great- the best of any worker I've met, so if you want more of a coherent conversation at PT, ask for the sweet Apple. She's another really sweet girl, but has that edge when she gets to work. So far, my fav at PT. Hope to see her again soon.
It was weird that in the first and last sessions, when I was in the hallways, going to and fro between rooms, I "saw" almost every girl working in both shops. They were all over the place, one even coming out of a door and screaming because she didn't expect to see me. I say "saw" because unless they were within 3 feet of my face, they were just a big blur- my glasses were left in my room.
Maybe I should've made this 3 posts instead of 1 to work my way up to senior status more quickly. Then again, being a senior member, when you're primarily an AMPer, means that you've spent $$$$, and at the rate I'm spending, I'll be done with my hobbying career by next week. Anyways, sorry for the x-long post.
Echo
Echo Bravo
07-29-04, 13:51
Very random thought:
Anyone ever see that cartoon on TV in the 90's called, "Action Man"? Whenever the main character, Alex Mann, needs his super-sensing athletic powers (or his AMP factor), he yells out, "AMP IT UP!" I feel like that whenever I need my Rockford fix. "Amp it up, baby!"
Who would be our Amp-man?
World Wise
07-30-04, 10:22
Met a girl last evening in Rockford that everybody should be alert for. WSW, blond with hair up, about 28, long legs, about 5'8" maybe 120 lbs. Slim with almost no boobs. I had to double check to make sure it was a girl. About a 7 on the SW scale, more if she had any tatas. Says her real name is Sherry.
Anyway we met out on East State, near Alpine. She wanted a ride, and I wanted some company. We agreed on a price and retired to the notel. After checking in, we got more comfortable, and settled up financially. About 60 seconds into our relaxaction, Sherry decided she meeded more that the $40 we agreed upon, and got up and got dressed. I did everything I could think of, short of smacking her one, to encourage her to keep up her end of the bargain.
She did not seem "cracked out", just did not want to complete her end of the transaction. I would caution anyone who sees her to avoid this one.
Echo Bravo
07-30-04, 18:31
Paradise now has Sara, Jessica, and Annie is new. Sara will be leaving for vacation next week.
MrCharming
07-31-04, 10:23
I saw Jessica at Paradise a couple of weeks ago. Very friendly and had excellent muscle control.... Too good. Made the session go too quickly.
After, she cuddled a little and taught me some Korean. Really friendly and seemed nice and less hard than most of the ladies that I have seen.
Anyway, enjoyed my experience more than I have from an AMP since Rainbow was shut down. Definitely will ask for her next time.
Excellent report(s) Echo. I particularly chuckled at the part of not seeing all the girls in the hall because of your glasses. I think when I last went there (no way do i get out as often), I had my glasses on the whole time, maybe even the some of the session! The girls weren't coming in and out as you described, rather they were standing there pretty constantly. I've probably told this story, but I even got a friendly pat from one of them on the way back from the shower. I've described her as cute and looking kind of Indian to Filipino (very unusual for any of these places), and I don't think she's back anymore. My only regret on your report was that you didn't hit Sakura. I've mainly heard from one person on that, but I guess it's better for your wallet that you didn't.
Spramanator
07-31-04, 21:16
Hello all I am back. Not that any of you probably remember me anyway lol. Well Real might. Anyway I am a long time hobbyist. About 5yrs. Rockford sure has changed in the past couple of years.
I went to Royal and Tokyo a couple of months ago but I am kind of tired of the money grubbing at the AMP's. Don't get me wrong I understand it is a necessary evil but come on. By the time negotiating over a $20 difference is done little willy has already checked out and gone to sleep. As Real might remember I am a strict negotiator. At first it was fun to see how much I could get for as little as possible (that plus I am cheap lol) but now it is just a hassle so I stay away from the Amps.
I do kind of like the SW action. It is always fun to go crusing. I drove around last wednesday around 1 am and thought, omg what happened to Rockford. There were plenty of Sw's around at ground zero. about 6 or 7 of them. They were all the worse for wear. I mean they looked like death warmed over. Of course LE was parked by the Cig store next to the bank on 7th and another one on the other side of the street almost by RR street. The girls still tried to flag me down. No ty. Too dangerous for me. If I am going to get pulled over for a Sw she better be an 8 or better. Not these 2's or 3's.
Also is it me or are ther more men out there on the streets than women? And couples too. Some of them I am sure are normal people going about their everyday business but most seem to be working. I have never tried to stop and talk to one of them as who wants to talk to a girl while some guy is staring you down? Any info would be great.
What ever happened to all of the HSW's? There used to be tons of them. I have traveled the route: Ground zero, 11th, kish etc but no HSW's. Am I missing a place? In my book Latinas ROCK. Info here would be appreciated as well.
Speaking of ground zero, what gives with the corner of 5th and 8th? I see WSW's there all of the time during the day, but the corner house always has tons of people there including kids. (I figured it would be ok to mention the intersection as I am sure LE already knows about it). I always feel a bit weird driving through there during the day and seeing that. (doesn't stop me though) The mix of people is W and B.
I did get lucky the other night around 2am on that same intersection. Picked up Tabitha and high tailed it out of that area. Won't say where as it is a special hiding spot of mine where no one bothers us.
Tabitha was young, early 20's. We small talked on the way to my spot and she mentioned she had kids to feed. Face is at least an 8 or 9. Body is thin with smallish but nice soft breasts. Wanted .25 for a BBBJ gave .20 and she was happy. The BBBJ itself was fantastic, though I have never heard of anyone complain of getting a bad one. Even a bad one is better than none at all in my book lol. While she was working I was playing basketball. (If you do not know what that means pm me and I will explain)
All in all a great experience. She was kind of distant and tried to move her a** a bit when I let my fingers wander but they went splunking anyway as I am a very persistant cave dweller.
Any info on the Flying saucer. I saw a couple of WSW's there the other day but did not have time to stop and check it out. Do they have rooms there or are they just there for our convenience. On the drive by they seemd to be a 4 or 5 at best.
Sorry for the long post but I am always a bit long winded. If there is any info on here that should not be please pm me and let me know. Like I said it has been awhile since I last posted, over a year ago, maybe two.
I plan on regularly posting my experiences on here for you guys. I figure the more we share and learn from one another the more fun we will have.
Happy hunting,
Spramanator
Spramanator
07-31-04, 21:23
Worldwise,
Did you get what you paid for or did you get your $$ back?
Happy hunting,
Spramanator
Went to Rocford for some business. Wanted to see Lauren in Milwaukee on the way home. Called, Answering machine, would not leave my cell number as incoming is traceable.
Had my list of all the amps from 5-19-04. It was saturday alittle before noon.
Looked for Osaka, could not find so I stopped at Pine Tree.
Asked for Gina, not in.
Asked for Apple, busy but I said I would wait.
CoCo was in Calif so the mamasan brought Mary, said no, then she brought Pink, she is still there, said I would wait.
30+ minutes and she arrives. She was cute and sexy. Extras were 160 I said only 100, she said BJ only. I said massage only then. Massage was great and I left with NO extras.
On to Paradise. Up front I told Mamasan 100 for extras and even though no one was there she said not enough and out the door I went.
Finally I found Osaka. I asked for Lucy and she was in. 50 at the door and she asked for 150 I offered 140 and we were on. Shower, quickly. Then down to playtime. Now I have used amps all over the country while I was on the road. My favorite was in Michigan City, Indiana and a lady called Key. I could sleep in a back room till she had some extra time and then we would play. BBFS and everything else. She was a regular stop for me.
Back to Osaka and Lucy. Well I thought I was home with Key. Natural large breast, cute butt and she is good. She let her hair down and went from pretty to beautiful. What a lady you fellows have in Rockford. She was worth the 140 + 50. a true GFE and she can kiss tenderly. I am sure YMMV but she treated me very well.
The board helped me in my choices. Glad I didn't spend it on Apple, even if she kept rubbin me with her bush as she massaged me.
Clark
Went to PT the other day and tried out May. Just as pretty as Gina but with a little bit more up top.(fake). Anyway, TS was excellent, even shaved my face for me which I never had done before. The FS with her was better than what I had with Gina and she went nuts on the DATY. Gina does a much better all around though and a little more cozy to be with. I would still see May again. Want to try out Apple, and I want to know if anybody has seen any other girls there other than these 3. I like to try different girls when possible.
Thanks gentlemen.
Echo Bravo, great report, keep 'em coming. And maybe you should pace yourself if money is an issue. I think it would be for anyone, at the rate you're going.
I'm sure your experiences will be pretty different from anyone that doesn't speak korean. Have fun with it, it seems to be working for you. It may have changed your session with Lucy, in addition to your hinting about hygiene. Unless Youngman was lying I think I'd still be leery, especially since Koguy says that his shower was a quickie. I'm not impressed that she decided to put on a show of cleanliness for you, when it was an issue, on a slow day. Showing a preference for bbbj without a shower is inexcusable at an AMP no matter how late or busy. I think this is the kind of thing that needs to be brought up to the mamasan.
Once I was about to start daty on a chick and I smelled jiz. Sorry, I'm not into cream pies. I tried so hard to be calm but the mamasan could tell I was fucking irate. She refunded everything real quick and apologized profusely.
As far as the whole insulting session, it can happen with any race or culture or hobby situation (sw, escort, etc), its just bad chemistry. You end up in an awkward zone where you don't want to appear to be oversensitive, but it does bug you. Its annoying that she's not professionally pleasant, but what bugs you even more is the fact that you know you're being a little overly sensitive, but you feel justified in that because YOU'RE paying HER so that you don't have to deal with that, but still you know you should be above that pettiness, etc, and its just a vicious cycle. Anyways, don't put too much significance on that session. It happens. I wouldn't be surprised if the real heart of the matter was that she probably was very jealous of Sara. Maybe you should feel the girl out before you bombard her with questions about everyone else. I'd guess that you really did rub her the wrong way, but I could be off.
This here post is about to get real long so later I'll revisit the issue of playing one AMP girl against another. It can be a great way to get service that's beyond what you usually hope to get. It also can work at mp's like RS in Madison.
I also had an awkward session with Jessica, but I didn't see then need in reporting since it was just an individual ymmv thing, it was partly my fault. I'm not at all surprised that someone had a good session with her - glad you did; not at all surprised that someone had another bad session with her. Its hard to criticize her for what I think is her big weakness: her ability to read a customer and respond to what he wants. I think her heart is in the right place and she will be a good match for many many AMP customers. On a different day, me and her could even strike gold so I don't want to put her down really.
Every girl has a distinct personality and attitude and approach. Some stay stuck in that rut, some use it as a launch pad for their response to the unique desires of every customer. Its like poker or sales, some people just have a natural gift for reading people. Pepi/Pink used to have it before she went over-the-top pse. In my opinion, she has become "Coco-fied," mechanical, but somehow, still oh-so effective.
Koguy, I don't mean to put you on the spot, dont' take this the wrong way its just a curiosity thing. Why did you insist on 100+40 for fs at two places just to end up paying 140+50 somewhere else? Were you just going around trying to fight inflation or was Lucy just that impressive? Either way thanks for some great info.
Lastly, welcome back Spramanator! Another good report on your return to the Rfd board. Yeah, I could never get over how that last $20 in the negotiation could make or break an AMP visit for you, but to each his own. I'm not trying to change you but I just want to use this as an opportunity to tell everyone that these girls really do look at negotiation as a game; even if you break her down and low ball her and she leaves looking all dejected, she'll return with the same attitude as if you had tipped her original asking amount.
My theory is that the girls are more motivated to get higher tips for status and bragging rights with the mamasan and other girls, more so than really trying to squeeze a guy for all he's got. Spramanator, their motivation for busting your balls isn't greed but I can see why a cheap bastard like you would read that into it!!!
Hey, jk, and it looks like the AMPs' loss is the street's gain. Looking forward to more of your stuff.
Spramanator
08-02-04, 08:02
LMFAO! You know me so well. Thanks for the welcome back Real.
I do have to admit that now that I think about it, the girl did come back happy the one time at Tokyo when I paid $1 for FS. I think it was just at Royal that the girl that I had rubbed me the wrong way (no pun intended) with the way she was acting. Who knows. I may give AMPs a try again. I am almost tempted to try PT after reading all of the reports from here.
Are LS any better? What is the price structure there now? I used to know it but that was a couple of years ago.
Drove around the usual places last night around 1am just for fun and saw nada.
Happy hunting,
Spramanator
I've been not listening to my own advice and been spending way too much cash. Going to need to chill out for a bit.
Went to Exclusive - had a two girl. Very fun and kinky. One younger curvy chick and big D tits. Another tall blond with saggy boobs, curly blond hair and very cool attitude.
Thumbs up.
But on my way out of town - I figured I'd stop at an AMP. I was all greasy and oily from a bottle I took with to Exclusive. And I wanted to clean up. Plus, I really wanted to be pampered. Pine Tree it was because it's on the way to the highway.
Fellas - I take back all the bad things I said about AMPs. I was too used to the apartment services and AMPs in the Chicago burbs.
This place rules with regard to customer service. Mamasan all smiles. "Come in! Come in!" I walk in. "First time?" I say yeah - I was very polite and she seemed to appreciate this.
She asks, "So how do you know us?" My first thought was to say the Internet, but thought twice. Told her I had been to Tokyo before...and I was passing by....
She interrupted me. "Oh we treat you much better. Many pretty young girls." Hehe - right on!
She leaves, I get naked, and in comes Pink. Hell yeah. She's got the tight petite bod of what you think asian girls have. You know - no tits, but it hardly matters. Sexy ass hair, makeup and attitude. All smiles, hugs, kissed me on my neck - this girl knows how to work it.
Very good table shower. She big time lufa'd my ass. I stood up - and she even started squeezing the zits on my back! Talk about first class and attention to detail!
Massage was good. You know a good untrained massage. With lots of showing off for the mirror.
By the way - the bed/table they have you lie on is absolutely the perfect size and height for all kinds of games!
Went for the cbj. Crazy trick where she put the condom on without me even feeling it.
Now here is where my experience is different from all other AMPs I've been to - she got really wild. Very enthusiastic, lots of tricks, lots of very dirty talk. Not the standard canned dialog and machine-like quality of (Chicago suburban) AMPs.
After the bomb dropped, she rubbed my member on her cheek and we laid there for a bit. Did the whole GFE thing. Went and got me a water. We flirted and touched while I got dressed. I was getting a vibe of her waiting to make out. She gave me a quick peck on the lips.
On the way out - saw the tall, short hair woman with nice B size titties. Maybe late 20's? 30ish? Anyone know?
Well I'll be back. I asked about 2 girls and Pink said "Of course we do 2 girl". She speaks damn good English but plays coy.
Oh yeah - and best yet. They're open until 2:30. Thank God! I thought Belvidere was my only late night option - and I think I'm done over there.
Peace
Goo,
Sounds like PT has gotten significantly better than they were when I first mentioned them here some months back. You were right in not mentioning the Internet there. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER tell an AMP that you heard of them on the Internet. They don't want the publicity, and if they think you're posting anything about them, they'll pretty much slam the door in your face as far as extras are concerned. Good advice for all.
Soul Vitamin
08-02-04, 18:24
Spramanator wrote..."Are LS any better? What is the price structure there now? I used to know it but that was a couple of years ago."
Better...no. Cheaper...yes. I'm tipping the same as I was three years ago. The house fee has gone up. 60 for half hour. Not sure what the hour or 15 min is. I've seen around five or six girls from the current Exclusive line up. I don't want to post about service, they have enough problems. If you (or any contributing members) want more info, you can pm me.
Goo, good job with the recon on the two girl at Pine Tree. What do you figure....under 300? Really, not a bad deal. You got me thinking....and it's been so long since I've seen Pink. This is the same Pink who was Pepi isn't it?
Spramanator
08-02-04, 21:08
Thank you for the info Soul. I really appreciate it. BTW you have a pm lol.
Happy hunting,
Spramanator
Like Goo, I finally got my first visit with the infamous Pink. I can't say much of my account is that different, except for the squeezing of zits on the back part (wow, I hope I didn't follow you, lol!). My big difference was probably the fact that I got in at around 2 A.M. so my time was a little different for style, I would say. Actually for that late, I'd say it was quite relaxed and unrushed. I left closer to 3, than the 2:30 closing time someone mentioned.
I have to agree with Goo as far as the tight bod. I'd normally prefer a little more tits, but the rest of her definitely makes you forget it. Soft skin and smells real good. Like I said about being more relaxed, I wouldnt describe her as being wild with me, but then again I'm kind of easy going and it seemed right for the lateness. The crazy trick you mentioned with the condom and the cbj? Fairly standard at an amp. I've actually had better with that practice where I was totally fooled (because she used more hand), and I may be too used to expecting it by now.
Definitely the GFE and laying together afterwards. I don't know if you got just the one peck on the lips, or a few, but yes; it does seem like you might be able to get DFK at any second. But, I didn't either. The fun part of leaving ( I was taken out the back door) was that she pretty much walked naked down the hall all the way to the back door, barely holding her oufit in front of her. Of course, several last pecks on the lips and "come back and see me soon" many times. All in all, worth checking out, even if the experience sounds close to the same.
The Pink that Goo describes sure sounds like Pepi/Pink to me.
A while back I reported that another girl at PT had hickies that she had gotten from Pink during a two-girl. I can't remember her name, she's gone now. I think it may have been Annie. I wonder if its the same Annie that's now at Paradise?
Anyways, before that visit where I saw the hickies I was chatting with Annie, not inquiring about two girl shows at all, just talking about sex in general. I asked her if she likes girls, she said no. I asked if she's a little curious, maybe just kissing, or maybe in the future, etc etc, she basically was saying she had absolutely no bi tendencies at all.
So then when I saw the hickies, I just assumed it was from a customer. I asked if she was pissed at the guy. She told me she got them from Pink. I reminded her about what she said about not liking girls, and what's up with her doing a two girl... I said something like, "So its not something you enjoyed, but 'a job is a job...?'" She nodded and said, "Yeah, a job is a job..."
I've never really seeked out a two girl at an AMP. It seems like you'd do better with that at an LS for various reasons. But, if you do really want one at an AMP, it seems that a good strategy would be to get Pink in the room and ask her who she prefers to have one with, or maybe more appropriately, who most enjoys doing them with her.
I never saw Pepi - so don't know if this is the same girl.
An hour at the LS is like $75. Plus tips. Which can vary. PT charged me $40 to get in. Is this correct? I was expecting the standard of $60 - but maybe they gave me a discount to reel me in as a first timer?
Yeah, I'd figure it would be about $300 for two. And I definitely think it would be worth it.
I never had seen her either, but I agree from Real that it definitely sounded like her style. (Plus, I've heard from enough that know it's the same one, lol) Physically or looks wise, I think I expected a little different. She's always been described (when she was at Rainbow, anyway) as sort of a punk rockerish look with different colored streaks in her hair, etc. Or maybe I just dreamed that from way back. She's definitely great looking without the insane degree of heavy makeup I've seen there in the past.
No, it is always $40 to get in there, and probably still at paradise, if not most of the AMPS, but I've only been to PT for a while. I think the only place that's gone to $60 (and up) is Exclusive. I don't know about Chantilly, but I think you could tell us if that also went up.
Generally most AMPs charge $40/30min, $60/hr. But then they will often run a "special", $40/hr. This "special" seems to have become a pretty permanent fixture at PT and Paradise. Royal usually demands the coupon to get the special rate. I don't know what their fee structure is now, its changed a little over the years. Things are pretty loose there so I think that they're not interested in the least to monitor the difference between 30 min or 60 min programs so they just charge $50 for 'whatever,' $40 with the coupon.
Similar to Osaka, as reported recently, $50 is the going rate. Sakura seems to stick to the $40-$60 split.
If an AMP looks really really dead I usually go for the cheaper rate and hope it doesn't suddenly get busy. If no one comes in you probably won't get rushed. But if its even a little busy when I arrive, or if there's only one girl working (ala Osaka/Sakura), or if I'm in the mood to really make sure I get to take my time, I'll pay the extra $20 as insurance.
I've learned that at every AMP there's the potential that if it gets busy enough they'll try to rush you - even if you paid the full $60 and tip $140. I've tried to convince the mamasans that they'd be better off making the new arrival wait than rushing the guy that got there first but they don't get it or don't agree. They promise to "make it up to you next time" but rarely if ever honor that.
Except at Tokyo. You're least likely to get rushed there, but of course it can happen if they get busy enough. But they will always remember to honor it later, and honor it in a tangible way, not just with lip service or some lame attempt at extra niceness. That's why I always, but ALWAYS, pay the $60 house fee at Tokyo. If something about that visit is slightly subpar and mamasan promises to "make it up later" she truly will. You may have to remind her if she doesn't remember right away, but she will stick to her word.
Realfun;
I didn't want to leave Rockford without being cared for properly. The sense from apple left me with a mechanical feeling. At Paradise the mamasan was not friendly. When I went to Osaka she was even worse but Lucy hit the room and what a nice ride. That's what I like about AMPS. Koreans do know how to treat a man. At 230 total it was expensive but the massage from Apple was very good. Worth the 40.
I wish I was in that area more often.
You LUCKY guys.
Clark
Good visit to Pinetree.
Made an appt to see Pink. Met Coco who was gracious.
Pink has a gorgeous body and face 9. Nice table shower. She paid close attention to all the right parts. Sauna alone for a little while.
Back in the room opted for CBJ. Laid with me for a GFE. We talked for a while during the massage. She is from Seoul with marginal english skills. Has been in the country for 6 months. She has family in Korea. She is mature in her technique but is a little young maturity-wise...Am I getting old already?? 9 for effort nonetheless.
Finished russian on her chest. She was on her back, me straddling her. She does have a sense of humor. Started with the 'oh yeah baby stuff' while during russian. I got done and she kept at it. I laughed and said I was done and she said she knew. We both laughed.
We showered together and then both to the sauna and back to the room to dress. She was sweet.
Would repeat. $40 entrance plus $100 tip.
PS..Saw where the girls sleep and live. Sure looks a little miserable. Wonder if there was sadness behind Pink's rather exaggerated laughter. Hmm I wonder.
Spramanator
08-07-04, 10:25
Is $100 the norm for a CBJ?
Happy hunting,
Spramanator
My curiosity with that last report of Pink, is if she's been identified as being the Pink/Pepi that goes back to Rainbow (which has probably been closed close to a year), maybe she was fibbing with him about being here for 6 months. Might work on the sympathy factor, otherwise I don't know why she'd exaggerate that.
Capt AM 22 asked about Pink saying she's only been in country for 6 months. I have a theory that I'm reluctant to post publicly. Anyone that wants to hear it, or if you have your own theory and wish to discuss, please pm me. My theory, its really no big deal, not any kind of secret insider scoop, just thinkin'-thinkin'.
Also I got a tip about a girl that's not in the young hottie category, but far from the old nottie category. Probably around 33-35, cute face, decent enough bod. Her real strong points are her experience and attitude. She gives great face. By that, I mean that just from her expressions and eye contact she had me getting up. She has seduction down in a way that the cute young PT & P girls aren't capable of yet. Also her build is somewhat different from typical korean, which can be refreshing at an AMP.
Her style reminds me a lot of a lady named Yoko that used to be at Tokyo. For her (Yoko) I posted all the lyrics of the old standard "You Go to My Head." Women like these two can be a real nice break from journeyman level skills of younger girls.
There have been some comments about May at PT. Does anyone have anything they'd like to add? If not here, then by pm, please. Thanks. I passed her in the hall. Good looker, tall, nice flirty smile.
Spramanator
08-08-04, 11:20
Hello again all.
I visited PT yesterday (sat) and was met by Coco. She asked if I had been there before and I said no, but I had been to Tokyo and Royal. She told me that they have better younger girls there, best in Rockford. (Like she tells all of you lol).
Anyway was hooked up with Cindy. Face 10 body was nice and tight, not much on top, about a mouth/ handful but firm with nice nips. Nice tight a**. She is about 5'7 5'8. and 28 yrs. She looks like she is much younger.
I was led to the sauna and given a water and waited. After a few mins Cindy came back and was going to take me to the shower when Coco said "not ready yet". So back to the sauna I went.
After another few mins Cindy came back and led me to the shower. TS was the norm, nice with a bit of play. We both did a shot of mouthwash and then off to the room.
Cindy gives a great massage and is very talkative. I asked how long she was here and she said she was covering for a friend and that she was on summer vac from school in Miami and that she was leaving on wed.
She only has sometimes bf so I told her that if she ever wanted a sometime bf here in Rock to let me know. (got a giigle and squeeze for that)
On the rollover she leaned forward and let me suck a bit and then asked what I wanted. Told her BJ and she wrote out 150 on my hand. Now I don't know about you but 150 for a CBj is way too much. I countered with .6 and she shook her head. She was not irate as most seem to be. She said for that just good massage, not even a HJ. She wanted 100 for a HJ. I just laughed.
She said she will be right back and left. Now normally I think they go to the Mamma and tell them what they are gettting or whatever they do. She came back and said she would give me "real good Massage" So I figured a HJ was at least in order.
No such luck. Thank god I did not bring all of my $$ in with me (which I never do as I try to think with the top head and not the lower) because she was so damn hot and sexy that I might have actually paid 150 lol
We talked a bit more. Her english is pretty good. Sometimes I wonder if they fake the no speaking english part. Just me wondering lol
A few mins later Coco knocked on the door and said something I could not understand and Cindy said time is up,we very busy. No HJ no nothing.
As I was getting dressed she asked for my cell num since I wanted to be her some time bf so I gave it to her (turns out I gave her the wrong num, hell I never call my cell and the num is new so I do not have it memorized yet lol) Not sure if she would have called me anyway, maybe she was bucking for a tip, which I did not give. $40 massage and a seconds worth of t** s***ing is all I got.
If you have the $$ I would highly recomend her. She is a beautiful, sexy intelligent woman.
I have not given up on PT yet. I will go again and see what happens. I am sure it is a YMMV type of thing.
(More in next post)
Happy hunting,
Spramanator
Spramanator
08-08-04, 11:39
Ok after the PT fiasco I went to Exclusive and saw Shauna. She was cute but a bit chunky. Nice up top with a bit of a belly. Prob one of the younger girls there. Got a BBBJ and then CBJ with alot of hand roaming. Would not let me go clam diving under the sea, had to stay above water.
I had not been to the Exclusive in over two years. I went at 4pm for shift change, they only had 3 girls. (3 girls for shift change?) Shauna was the best of the three. I do not remember the other girls names but I could get better on the street, which should tell you something lol.
CBJ was pretty good, alot of enthusiasm and moaning etc. She let me finish Russian sans condom. Paid .6 for 1/2 hr and .5 for CBj.
Was an ok experience. Lil Sprammy was happy, but then he has a one track mind lol.
I will prob stick to the streets. I only went to Exclusive as it was during the day and wanted a bit of privacy w/o shelling out for a room. (cheap bastard remember? lol Though if the sw seems hot eough I will get a room)
As I was leaving there was a cute young girl sitting on the couch, with long black hair, fairly skinny. I did not get a good look at her as I was running a bit late and had to go.
I may have to go back here as well for some daytime fun when the streets are bare.
Happy hunting,
Spramanator
Supramanator,
0.8 is probably more like it for CBJ.
But then again the usual entry price is 0.6/0.7. I thought it was OK to pay a slightly higher price since the entry was 0.4.
Also I thought the overall experience was better than the average AMP, given a pretty face and bod, not to mention the superb attitude..of course i only knew about the latter from former reports (and could not have predicted my particular experience at the time of negotiation).
I may add I possibly overpaid, since she did not complain. But she did not ask for a particular amount either.
Love it
Head First
08-08-04, 19:20
RealFun and others here,
After reading all the posts here for months, decided to take the drive and visit Pine Tree Sat. afternoon. Called first and was given directions in very friendly and well spoken English.
Was welcomed at the door by Mamasan and led right past door #1...Whew!! We all know what door #1 means.
Answered the basic ???'s of how you hear about us, first time here, where you from, where you go usually. Must have passed the quiz cause I was told to get undressed and lay down, "Today we have 5 young and very pretty girls. $40 please for one hour."
After she left, my eyes were drawn to the size of the room and the table, a double wide !!
5 minutes later, in walks a young Hottie with a smokin' body, wearing a seXXXy halter and hot pants. About 5'5", 115 lbs. and C cups, at least.
We chit chat for a few minutes, while she snuggles right next to me on the table, and I'm liking what I see.
The massage was almost non existent, but the soft touch was doing it's job, and soon I was asked to flip over. The towel got lost in the flip and once again the soft touch began.
They're pro's at this, so between half mast and 3/4, she whispers to me what would I like to do and did I bring her a gift. Offered $ and was told that would get me a helping hand but if I wanted more, would have to up the ante to $160 for FS... which is what I came for so out comes the cash and off she goes to the supply room.
Starts out with a hj that soon becomes a covered bj, which was real fun to watch in the mirror, and then asked if daty was available, which she quickly answered with a spin around. She was completely shaven except for a nice little landing strip and tasted oh so fresh and sweet.
I didn't even get through half the alphabet (with my tongue) when she tells me it's time for her to lay down on her back. We do some mish, but as hot as she is, it's not working for me so I pull out and she yanks off the safety net and suggests I finish myself off on her stomach. That'll work so soon afterward I fill her belly button up with my DNA and we're both happy.
Overall, I would rate this first visit to Rockford an 8, which means I'll probably be back to sample some of the other talent, which I've read so much about. It's definitely "Worth The Drive."
Thanks guys.
Well, I think I need to pull the plug on my hobby - dropping much too much money so this will be my last report for a while.
So I closed it out with a bang.
First stop Chantilly Lace. Wanted to relive the 2-girl I had there not too long ago. Too bad both chicks were not working there. Fuck! So picked this girl - a little older, kind of a butta face. But whatever she was fun. PM for more details I want to keep it vague.
YMMV for sure. I guess we just clicked - maybe she does this kind of treatment for everyone.
She modeled, went for the handy, lots of dirty talk. Soon we were making out and we were both making out. We covered each other in baby oil. She let me cum in her face. Awesome. I've only done that one time before. Take out was available when I asked for it.
Second stop - Pine Tree. Since my last visit where I found out 3-ways were available, I had it on my brain. After all, I've never had an Asian 3 way.
Well - I'd say my review is mixed. For the cost I would not recommend. .4 x 2 for the entrance. 1.6 x 2 for tip. Negotiated tip with Mamasan. Put tips on the plastic, paid door with cash.
Well I was dissapointed because I thought I'd have 2 girls the whole time. No. Tiffany served me. As is the usual in that place, a smoking hot Asian with fake B cups.
When we came back from the shower, Mamasan ushered us into the "VIP" room. Just a bigger room with more mirrors. Sexy massage followed.
After a bit, the door opens and in walks Cindy(?). This chick is fine. Another smoking Asian, but she had natural B's that looked especially fine on her skinny frame. And she was definitly the dirtier one of the pair.
OK - at this point I felt like I was the star in some Asian girl porno. Everything except me going down on them happened - they would have let me do that if I had wanted. And I was able to fufill a fantasy, and check many things off my list of "things to do in the sack". Plus these chicks have filthy mouths. At the end all three of us were literally yelling obscenities at each other. Awesome.
But as is the case, I got in my car afterward, and thought about the amount of cash I dropped. Ouch. I'm no Donald Trump.
So I'm going to lay low and try sticking with the porn for a while until I can find some legit pussy. Going to be tough, but need to quit burning my paycheck.
Peace
TheShadow2
08-09-04, 13:23
RealFun pipe in here please....
$ tip for a helping hand at Pinetree? 160 for FS?
I know the reports have been glowing, and it sounds like they have the hottest chicks in town. But damn, the price per visit jumped up there didn't it?
When did 40 HS, 100-120 FS go out the window?
Why would I pay 100 (140 total) for HS when I could get two of them at Executive for 80 plus tip?
Maybe I'm living in the past....hate when that happens :-(
That's what I was going to ask - does PT really have the hottest chicks?
Mamasan seemed pretty firm on the pricing.
"No such luck. Thank god I did not bring all of my $$ in with me (which I never do as I try to think with the top head and not the lower) because she was so damn hot and sexy that I might have actually paid 150 lol
We talked a bit more. Her english is pretty good. Sometimes I wonder if they fake the no speaking english part. Just me wondering lol"
Yeah with the 3 way I was going to not pay 160 tip. After about - oh - 10 seconds I crumbled and paid
As for the English. I thought the same. They are definitely fresh off the boat, but they are some hot ass party girls for sure. The dialog I heard was very - ahem - fluent.
To all my fans, I will be returning to Exclusive on Aug. 16th. (next mon.) I will be on days as usual. So if interested in seeing me again come in and check me out guys. Just thought I'd let all of you know. Since some of you thought I probably wasn't coming back.
Hayley
I agree with the Shadow. I know I did my part to keep it down my last time by going 130. I know if I'd really stuck to it, I probably could have even kept at 120 by saying that's all I had, instead of reaching for the extra 10 then saying that's all I had. I would think, Goo, that they would be more willing to negotiate into a lower range for having the 3 way. Since two were getting paid, and double the door, the break should be in the tip. I'm sure the LS shops still do it less, and probably less than double for the door at least. You've been there, so you tell me. In any case, you seemed like you loved it and went out with a bang. If you ever went back in a few months, though, I would negotiate down if I were you. Claim preferential treatment as a repeat or something. I'm less worried about your situation than some of the newer ones who do sound like they're giving out the 160 for a regular session. But if my success at lower was any indication, hopefully that didn't have any effect. (Or maybe mine was before his?)
Second note: One of the shops was robbed again last night at 2AM. Royal was hit about a month or so ago. The address was listed as 4315 E. State. I was going to leave it at that, but just looked it up anyway. It WAS PT, and I hope none of you gentlemen was there. My last time out, like I previously posted, was the weekend before on Sat. and of course was at 2AM. I think it was a good time for negotiation, but I would be wary about using that late time again. Royal obviously doesn't stay open that late, so it's robbery was earlier (It MAY have been day time if I remember right). Hell, there's never any guarantees. I think these may be stepped up for now that there's half the LS shops (and shorter hours). These come in bunches like a couple years ago with several LS robberies. There could be more, hopefully they won't.
Like I've said before, be careful out there guys. Oh, and Welcome back Hayley.
Call Me Goo - good luck on your little break... I hope that's all you have to do is take a break and return soon when finances are right. About the negotiations... no matter how much you tried to bluff and stall and drive a hard bargain, somehow mamasan/girls knew you'd fold. How did they know that before you did, when you were sure you'd try hard for the lower price? They're just good at it.
I'd advise that anyone that's has any intentions of doing AMPs more than a few times should learn to beat them at this game.
Here's a typical scenario.
You know of a girl that you really want to see on your next AMP visit (based on your own experience, or a review, whatever). Lets say Bimbop at Pine Tree. What you do is go to another place that has a girl that you really want to see, based on experience, review, etc. If you don't know of two girls you're interested in then go to an AMP that's likely to meet your needs, as long as its NOT the one that has your first choice girl, in this case, Pine Tree.
So you go to Paradise. Be freshly showered already, and only pay $40 house fee. Keep your mind focused on Bimbop and all the reasons you would prefer to see her. At Paradise try to demand a line up, or some opportunity to chose. Ask to skip the shower, and don't get in the sauna. If they make you do the shower, then demand to do a brief self-shower. Negotiate before the massage. If she doesn't accept $120 then tell her you're leaving. Daydream about Bimbop while she prattles on about $160, $140. If she calls your bluff, then split. If she avoids negotiations and ignores your money and tells you to put it on the table so she can massage, then go for your clothes.
If she lets you leave and all you received was a quick self-shower, then you have a good case to demand your house fee back. They will be very emotional, don't you be. Don't debate. You might not get your house fee back. Don't sweat it, because for all your next visits there you'll only have to tip $120 instead of $140.
The key is, that as you are walking into that AMP you are already 90% sure that you'll be walking out about 20 minutes later with all your money and no service. Maybe it will cost you $40, but don't let them get that without a fight, either. If she accepts your offer of $120 then you've set a precedent and that is your new rate at that location. If not then try it all out at location #2, on Bimbop at PT. If she won't go down to $120 either, then get out of there. You can then just go home empty handed, but who of us would do that?
You've gone through all this trouble, now you're probably a little frustrated. And now you have to go somewhere you hadn't planned on. Lower your expectations, you're not going to get the hot rocking session with the specific girl you'd been dreaming about all week.
THE POINT IS: ALL OF US HAVE SOMEHOW GOT TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T GET $140+ OUT OF US! Time to rally the troops and hold the line. There are 6 AMPS in Rockford and usually a selection of about 14 girls at any given time. When you walk into an AMP, its as if the mamasan (and to a lesser extent most of the girls) have a crystal ball and they KNOW ahead of time what you'll do, better than you know yourself.
How many times have you walked in and said, "OK, this time, no matter what, I WILL NOT pay a penny over $120!!" Thirty minutes later your penis head takes over your wallet and you're taking a wadded up $20 out of some hidden spot (shoe, coin pocket).
If you're only willing to pay $120 and the crystal ball tells Coco that ~*in the future*~ (like, inside of an hour) you'll REALLY be willing to pay $140, then that's where the girl will stand firm. They are good at this, but believe me, you can do better!!
These things come in waves. Its annoying but necessary and right now we're on a big bad wave. They really are standing very very firm on $160. Lately I've been staying out of PT & P for other reasons anyways, but this just adds to why I'll go other places for a while. I've been extremely happy with the service I've gotten elsewhere. I know how firm they're being with everyone because they're even being really firm with me. Not that there's anything special about me, but when I see the same girl 3-4 times in less than a month and on the 5th visit she's still wasting 5 min or more bustin' my balls for $160 when I never paid her as much as $120.01, then I KNOW she must be getting $160 from somebody.
Sorry about the rant, but it looks like the time has come. Maybe we all need a union or something, but somehow we need to unite. The thing is, I think the number of hobbyists on this board who would stick to this is a very small percentage of all their clientel. That's why I wanted to focus on how WE as INDIVIDUALS can strategize our own visits and find a way to pay the prices we set, not them. If we give them an inch, they'll take a yard. Lets not give them shit.
If I felt I could get enough men into this, I'd say we should all go and walk out on anything over $100. But that's not happening. But at least lets stand firm on $120. I usually like to leave the option open of tipping an extra $20 after the session is over, if its exceptional. For some mongers, that $20 may end up as part of a $140 tip. If you have a hard time with this, then make sure you have no more than $160 (40+120) on you when you go in.
Hey I don't mean to come accross as a ball buster myself. Its all in good fun, the whole negotiation thing is just a game. Even to the girls, that's all it is. Even if she seems sad or hurt or offended, she's really not. She'll try to convince you that your tip is a reflection of how much you value her, and therefor, her own self esteem is dependent on that, too. She may act as if she believes that you'd tip a sexier girl more.
If you see her subconciously look in the mirror (or down at her body)... as if it was an insecure reflex and she doesn't even realize what she's doing... and if she seems disappointed in what she sees... like if she peers out of the corner of her eye and looks in the mirror and tries very subtly to straighten her back and sick out her chest and draw her cheeks in a little... she's doing this to give you the impression that a low ball tip is giving her self-doubts about her attractiveness. Its a big guilt trip.
Or if the two of you have been yucking it up pretty good, maybe making a real connection about sports or music or travel... all of a sudden her tone changes, like now she just sees you as just another customer she is hired to service... the karma is gone, you're not her "bud" anymore... Good job, you just killed the mood. You just took the overall session down a notch. Hope that was worth that stupid $20 you can't let go of.
ITS ALL A GAME!! So if its a game and you cave and keep paying in the $140-$160 range and you're happy, then oh well. I ain't gonna be mad at ya. We all gotta do our own thing. I'm just telling about what I've learned. It may sound crazy, but I've done all the things I advised, as far as going into a spa knowing full well that I will leave in a few minutes unserviced. Just to know what it feels like to walk out, just to get that experience under my belt.
So while I say that we should all try to play the game to hold the line at 120, I don't want to ruin anyone's fun or make too big a deal of it.
Play safe. But to play safe, you gotta play, so lets get out there.
Keep it real.
Keep it fun.
Keep it
realfun
GlobeRunner
08-10-04, 13:24
I can't blame the new guys for coughing up 160 for fs & 40 hf. That's what the girls asks for and the new guys might not know you can haggle. When I started years ago going I went to Rainbow and it was a fixed cost with every girl I visited 140 fs & 60 hf. The mamasam was tough and cruel there. she never budged and either did the girls. She must of cracked the whip real good. The mamasam never gave me a card so they could keep track of my visits so my 5th massage would be free. After around my 20th visit I asked for a card. Than the mamasam gave me a card and i asked her why didn't i get a card before I missed out on 4 free massages. She played dumb and said i am no good tipper and am cheap charlie. I payed 200 total each session dam i must be a real cheapskate. Anyway the mamasam didn't even compte me a free massage she must have a bad memory not memoring all the times i've been there. Funny she remembered me every time i showed up when she greeted me. Then I started exploring other places like Paradise, Royal, and Tokyo. Same routine the girls wanted 160 fs. But I haggeled and the girls excepted. I started getting fs for 120-140 & 40 hs. Once I found out that all the AMP's can be negotiated besides Rainbow I stopped going to Rainbow. Rainbow's costs shouldn't have been so high they didn't have the hottest girls all the time. They had the best looking on a consistent basis, but I had my share of dogs there. And the dogs were at no discount.
Anyway I haven't paid 200 total in years. The most I dish out is 100-120 fs & 40 hf. I've been consistent with those rates. My last visit 2-3 weeks ago at PT with a stunning tall slim young girl named Annie. She was wearing a wonderwoman outfit. I teased her and sad "have no fear your superman is here". I donated only 100 fs & 40 hf. She wanted 160 but excepted 100 with out any complaints which was a turn on. If a girl gets made she doesn't suck you out of every dollar you can just imagine how not great your session is going to be. The service is great she sucked my sack & gave me a tongue bath & must say was 1 of the best ramming sessions I've ever had. I learned something new with my technique. The only thing is she was in love with money and my session ended early. We skipped the massage. She wanted me to finish which i don't like. I like a girl whose into the session and wants more and more. I don't think my session ended early cause of my 100 tip. I was there on Sat. during peak hrs. And I wasn't her 1st customer so I'm sure she was burnt out. If i would of tipped 160 I think I would of been shown the door 1/2 early also.
It all depends on the girl. Some girls will except 100-120 tip for FS and give a great session or bad session. Some girls will only except 160 for FS and give a great session or bad session. I even had instances where girls wanted 200 tip on top of the 40-60 HF. It's all the luck of the draw. Have to look at these girls as business saleswoman working in a free trade non regulated market economy.
The most i paid for 1 hr session since Rainbow was at Paradise with Pink/Pepi she got 160 tip from me because she was a tough negotiator. But I got 2 pops out of the session. If you get a girl who won't budge less than 160 tip. Then tell her you want 2 pops. Skip the shower and get your 1st pop right away. Then take a shower than get a 20 min massage & then your ready for your 2nd pop. It's may worth 160 tip instead of settling for 1 pop and out the door. I even had a cutie I think her name was Lilly I tipped 100 and got 2 pops out of her with superb service.
The rates are high for you guys at PT & P cause they are getting a lot of business. Lots of demand. These places get cocky when business does well so they think they can take advantage of the situation. I suggest check out Sakura/Osaka/Royal which gets less demand and press your luck there. Once winter rolls over and less mongers hit PT & P they will be begging for your wallets. So less demand will lower their rates.
TheShadow2
08-10-04, 13:36
Thanks for the perspective Realfun, as usual, you are THE MAN when it comes to Rockford AMPs.
On a related note, when you think about Goo's twosome, why should he have paid the entry fee twice? I can see the tip twice, but according to my logic, the entry fee should have been kept at .40....
But that's just me, and having a twosome like that burned into your memory banks for life was probably still worth it :-)
TheShadow2
08-10-04, 13:41
Liebermann,
Great info as well. I've been called cheap before by an AMP worker also. Meanwhile, these womens sisters (who are still in their home country) are lucky to get 15-20 dollars for FS.
But we're cheap for only giving them 100 LOL!
I've never been called a cheap charlie but I've also never paid more than $100 for fs at any of the spas. I'm a terrible negotiator so I don't even try. I only walk in with the door fee and my $100 tip. That's it. You can't negotiate with what you don't have.
I guess that's my rule whenever I walk into these places. Never walk in with more than you're willing to spend. If you don't have it on you, they can't talk your little head out of it.
Soul Vitamin
08-10-04, 19:40
When I first started going to the AMPs, mainly Rainbow, I dropped 200 every time (including house). At the time, I thought it was a great deal. When you compare it to what you pay an escort it was (is) a great deal. Then I saw some conversations on this site, and I realized that others were paying less.
After that I tried the negotiating thing, with mixed results. It was difficult to reason with a girl who is pretending she doesn't understand english. The easiest thing for me is what Bill R suggests.
It would be intersting to see a break down on tips recieved. Maybe one of those fancy colored pie charts. I bet Coco prints one out at the end of every month. Anyone have a guess as to how the chart would read?
Your mind must be made up before you go in.
RF hit it on the head when he said that you have to be prepared to walk out if they won't meet your price. You have to decide before you even go in if you really are willing to pay $140 to $160 for FS or if you are going to stick to your guns at $100 or $120 with anything above being unacceptable. And like Bill R. said, never go in with more than you are willing to spend. Take in only what you are willing to spend and leave the wallet locked in your car.
When I was first hobbying, I wasn't prepared to negotiate. I was horny and I wanted to be serviced. When the girl wouldn't budge, I'd cave in, not wanting to leave with blue balls. Over time, I developed the will to just walk out. More often than not when I've started collecting my clothes, the girls have counteroffered. But I have walked out of places before, both for not wanting to negotiate and for lousy service. It's hard to do, but it feels good later knowing that you kept yourself from being taken.
Does anyone have the address of Executive, I have never been there, I usually check out the Amps in Rockford, but would like to check out something new.
Service Man
08-10-04, 21:48
Greetings,
I went to Osaka Tuesday, and had a session with Lucy. Previous reports are very correct regarding her appearance. She is tiny, and busty. If you like petite Asain ladies, with a large chest, she is the one for you. She seems to have become very popular, as several other customers appeared at Osaka shortly after I arrived. (Sorry if you guys had to wait)
I am not sure what all the hub-bub was about her being lacking in the hygene department. She looked very clean to me, and gave me an excellent and unusually long TS. I certainly had no concerns with her on that count.
Her massage "technique" was definitely lacking. So, if you are looking for an above average massage you might want to try someone else instead.
The rest of the session though, was outstanding. She happily accepted $1.2 from me without trying to negotiate for more.
I think Koguy has it correct, if you can speak a few words of Korean, it certainly goes a long way in creating good will with these ladies.
I will be sure to visit her again in the future.
SM
Service Man
08-10-04, 22:02
Greetings,
I had another Rockford experience this week. I just happened to be (on business) down near the stroll, and came across a WSW near the corner of 10th and Broadway.
She said her name was Tammy. She was a short brunette, around 20, and not bad looking. She must be new at this, as she doesn't have that well worn street look yet. I took her off to a spot I know, where we played the "u a cop? " routine. After the formalities, where I provided her with. 2, she gave me an excellent french lesson. She was surprisingly fluent for such a young lady. I guess SW's are not a complete waste of time after all.
She informed me that Uncle Leo was in town and has been plainly busy on the weekends. She also said that he spends most of his Tuesdays and Thursdays in bed, under the covers, hiding. It seems Uncle Leo must be busy getting ready for upcomming elections or something.
Play Safe!
SM
Head First
08-11-04, 00:06
Was welcomed at the door by Mamasan and led right past door #1...Whew!! We all know what door #1 means.
Well, judging from the # of PM's I got asking the same question, maybe we all don't know what it means. So below is just my opinion of what it means in the City AMP's I've visited.
The reference to door #1 doesn't only apply to PT but to all AMP's and for that matter all massage places. Here's why.
These places biggest fear is what? Getting busted. Are you with me on that? Whether you know it or not, from the moment you step into one of these joints, you're being evaluated into one of three groups.
1st group: LE/Law Enforcement. They (Mamasans) and for that matter so can we to a certain extent, can sniff out undercover cops (sorta like a dog sensing fear in a human) . There's just something about them and an experienced Mamasan's most important job is to protect the store. If a Mamasan suspects a sting/bust going to happen, she'll tip off the massuese by putting the customer in room #1. That's a standard move everywhere.
2nd group: Don't know's. Sometimes a customer gives off a certain vibe that tips off the Mamasan that maybe something is not right here and just to be on the safe side, into room #1 the customer will go. Again, to protect the store and the girls, it's better to be safe than sorry.
3rd group: Regulars or experienced hobbyists. They can tell whose been to these joints and who hasn't just by talking to us or being around us, and the rooms in the middle and back are saved for these customers.
The point here is that if there's ANY chance of getting busted, out of fear, you'll get put into room/door #1, where chances are slim to none that you'll get anything more than the normal and non-sexual massage.
Of course, if the whole place is filled up and you get placed in room #1, that's different. But in my humble experiences, I've learned that if I'm placed in room #1, just relax and enjoy the massage.
What was your experience in room #1. I'm a rookie in Rockford so things may operate a little different out here and I may be way out in left field with my City thinking. lol.
Head First,
I don't think that's a steadfast rule. Your concept makes sense. But I can remember many times I was put in the first room at VIP, and I had been going there for years. The mamasan automatically knew I wanted to see Bonnie, I didn't even have to ask. There were times when I'd walk in the door and she'd start apologizing "Bonnie not here today". In other words, I was a recognized regular. First room, and frequently.
Even now, I frequently go to Exercise Spa, and often end up in the first room. Never a problem getting extras. As I said, the concept makes sense, but I don't think they necessarily reserve the first room for questionalble customers.
Come to think of it, the whole time I was a regular at Gunnison, I was never in the first room. But I remember once being in the second room and hearing the obvious sound of thighs slapping each other, followed by harmonious moans & grunts..... in.....you guessed it....... room #1.
Bill R gives great advice about not going in with more than you're willing to spend. Bill, is this in the Rfd area that you STILL aren't paying over $100 for fs? I understand that it all depends city to city.
A while ago I was visiting another town and went to the only AMP. I got a fairly old and unattractive lady. I thought I low balled her by asking for 1hr fs for $140 (she was collecting house and tip). After we were done (incredible bbj, enthusiastic mish, she claimed to pop twice, I think she only did once) she made me promise not to tell the other worker or the mamasan how much I had paid her. This led me to believe I could have gotten it for a little less.
Anyways everyone will develop his own style. Bill R and others will use the "can't get blood from a stone" angle. Liebermann, (good contributions on that last post), it seems like his style is to be a firm negotiator and convince the girl that his tip is the right price and that she won't "beat" him at the negotiating game.
Me, I like to be able to tip the girl a little extra on the back end if I was especially impressed. Its rare, but if the girl does a fantastic job of selling herself during the shower I may cave and tip $140 upfront. My instincts have been pretty accurate with this, over 90% of the time I decide to do this I end up getting a session that would have earned that post-session-volunteered $20. Also, sometimes I'm unsure if I want to chose a $40 or $60 program and decide when I get inside. So its not uncommon for me to go in with $200 and walk out with $40. If I don't want to give it, they ain't gettin' it. Period.
I don't want anyone to fret. The percentage of times that I tip $140, whether its upfront or on the back end, is probably 25% or less. And I promise you, the girl deserves it if I'm giving it to her. There's nothing wrong with rewarding a good performance.
The way Rainbow would get you is with that card. Slip up once and tip $140 and bam, that's what they'd get from you every time. I stung quite a few girls in there when they'd not take my tip until the end of the session and found only $120. It was especially bad because the only girls that ever did that had seen me pay them $140 in the past, and they knew I was a very regular customer. When they asked for more, I was like Bill R with them: "Sorry, I don't got!"
I really fucked up on one of my first visits to Rainbow and tipped $160. Here's what happened.
I had come from a background of hobbying at RS and GH in madison, both slightly better than the LS's but not as good (for me) as AMPs. Then I discovered Tokyo and I was in heaven especially because I do slightly prefer asian women and could never find ANY in Madison. The service I was getting at Tokyo was hit or miss at the time with some older cynical ladies that could read my greenness and naivete and took advantage of the situation. I never really saw anyone young or hot in there.
My first 2-3 visits to Rainbow were pretty lame. The girls were better by Tokyo standards, but in retrospect, the first couple of girls I got weren't representative of Rainbow's finest, either. I know I saw the same very average girl twice and then a slightly better one once. As bad luck would have it both of them were very limited with english and very regimented in their routines, plus I was going near closing time, I didn't know how busy that place could get.
I believe it was my 4th or 5th visit when I walked in around 11am on a mid-weekday, and what I saw I had never seen before, and still haven't seen since. As I walked accross the lobby to the office window I could hear korean girls giggling and chattering like they were having a little party. Yumi wasn't at the window and I looked into the office and saw 5 young hot scantily clad girls spread out across a huge futon. It must have been one of those rare situations where everyone of the girls were getting along with eachother really well and they were all in good moods, etc. I mean, they were howling and crawling around and joking and teasing.
And straight females in korea are a little more physical than in this country, for instance, two 20-something ladies might hold hands as they walk down a street. These girls weren't necessarily all over eachother or anything, but they were a little playfully physical. My imagination rocketed. I was stunned. My jaw was on the floor and my dick was pointing the other way. I hardly noticed as Yumi came into the office and sternly chided the girls for not coming to the window. They all just laughed at her like she was a substitute teacher or something.
Yumi asks, "May I help you?"
Without taking my eyes off the girls, I go "uh huh..."
Yumi: "You want half hour or hour?"
Me: "yeah..."
Yumi: "Which one?"
Me: "Any of them... I get to pick?"
Yumi: "No... I mean yeah, you get to pick. But you want half hour or hour?"
Me: "........." (whole time, never taking my eyes off the girls, not even giving Yumi a sideways glance)
Yumi: "Hello! Hey, how long you want to stay?....................................HEY!" She snaps her fingers in front of my face, I snap out of it and of course chose the hour.
Long story short, when it was time to negotiate I was on such a high I think I just made a feeble attempt to go lower than $160 but ended up paying it pretty easily. On my way out they offered to make a card for me. I had asked about it before but the girls always said, "yeah yeah we do next time..." I attribute that to being there at closing time on those previous visits.
Well once they made the card and put on there that I'm a $160 tipper, it was hell and forever before I got it brought down to $140. I befriended a girl at Rainbow and convinced her to "lose" my card for me. I came in one day and asked for that girl and she had moved on. Mysteriously my card had also disappeared so they filled out a new one for me.
Anyways this is a good conversation to be having. Thanks for following my rant. Now here's some data from the field.
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If you're looking for alternatives to PT & P and already know about the amazing 30ish Linda at Tokyo, then consider Mimi at Royal. 35ish, short and stocky/wide but not fat or even pudgy, but a soft tummy. Kickin' curves and unusually wide hips for a short korean lady, moving with her feels much more like being with a caucasian due to the width and shape of her hips.
Best feature is her face. Pretty, not gorgeous, but can she ever turn on the seductive looks. I usually don't start pitching wood until I'm interacting with the girl on the table. I don't care how great she looks I don't get it up until we're doing stuff to eachother. But this girl had me getting up just from her eye contact and expressions, etc. Very hot and an experienced lady like that is an awesome break from the journeyman level young hotties elsewhere.
Very enthusiastic service, she works harder grinding against you during mish than most girls work it during cowgirl. But beware, she's a rush-rush expert, don't let her do it to ya. She knows how to move in a way that she knows will get you to blow in the shortest time. Kind of a turn off, but if you take command then she's a good sport about it and still does a great job. Don't let that deter you from seeing her, but just be prepared to whip it out from time to time and tell her to slow the hell down.
If you still want younger like PT & P then there have been good reports about Lucy at Osaka. She's still there, but the girl I got was slightly older, I'd guess 27ish. Also kinda short and decent enough looking, Kim was energetic and outgoing. Kinda nutty, almost in a Pepi/Pink kinda way (but we know there's really only one Pepi). She was very accomodating and compliant, a lot of fun. I'd have to say she's my current fave, but that's based on only one visit and ymmv always etc.
Does anyone know what's up with Sakura lately?
Sugar Bush
08-11-04, 08:26
Realfun,
To answer your question about Sakura. I made my First visit there yesterday. I usually go to Tokyo or Pt.
The place was empty. She asked me if I wanted the hour or half hour and I told her I wanted the hour for 40. No problem she said.
I had Allisa or something like that. 5' 100lbs with a big rack. A real hot young one.
The shower was the best I ever had. Like I said they were very slow. I was in there for at least a half hour.
Back at the room the table was hard as a brick. But she made me forget about that in no time.
Total out the door 1.70 door fee included.
I will defiantly go back
Thanks
Realfun,
I haven't been to Rockford this summer yet. I usually stop a few times on my way to Devil's Lake. I usually go to Rainbow or Tokyo. I did walk once at Tokyo a long time ago. The lady was really obese and wanted 2 bills for anything. But I haven't had any trouble at at either Tokyo or Rainbow. I haven't been to the other spas.
I don't usually go to Rockford because I know all the Mama sans in the Chicago area so I don't have to go to Rockford. I have a couple of Mama sans that I have special arrangements with so naturally I tip those ladies better.
I recently had surgery so I couldn't drive so one Mama san even sent a girl to pick me up in her car and took me to a hotel room. Now that is AMP service! But I've know this Mama san for over 10 years.
"What was your experience in room #1. I'm a rookie in Rockford so things may operate a little different out here and I may be way out in left field with my City thinking. lol."
Room #1 is the kiss of death at Green Spa in Chicago. Otherwise I can think of a few times I was serviced #1 style.
But the best is the back for privacy. Executive in Belvidere has a big room up on the second floor! I loved it in that I was 100% sure that we would have privacy.
Head First,
Your comments about "room #1 being the kiss of death" may hold true in the Chicago area, but I don't think that's the case in Rockford. Several times, I've been to PT or Royal and was put in #1. Now I'm not an every day customer, but they know I've been there before. And the service hasn't been any different in #1 or #8. I think it may be how busy they are and which roooms are ready for service. IMHO.
DJ
Okay, there's nothing worse than writing 4 paragraphs (my 2 cents plus!) on the recent discussions about negotiation, then losing the connection before hitting submit. Would have loved it to go, but here's the short version. If we really want to hold it to 120 (although like RF said, we can't force someone NOT to pay more), I prefer the "that's all I have" method. I partially used that, but I did add the extra 10 to make it 130. Again, not being firm, if I considered using the 10 for tip later. I think it takes a mix of "that's it" in a "that's all I have" way, and a "that's all I'm willing to pay" way. Either way, Chi put it best that you go in with what you are going to pay in mind. Don't take that extra just in case. For those like RF that like to add that extra tip later if you feel it's deserved, you need to hold that temptation not to bring it out early. I imagine Real at least knows how to do that.
Liebermann brought up some good points about new guys, and weather. New guys probably come and go and get stuck for the 160 (whether we hear them here or not). I think I've seen many guys that come on, say they are new, and just happened to pay 160. Then you never see them on here again. We'll probably never get them to bring it down. As far as the weather bringing demand and the price down, we seemed to have a period of that last year when Osaka was new (and with their usual 2 girls or less, willing to take 100), weather was probably on the winter side, there were a few small busts and Rainbow had closed, and all of them seemed to take 100 for a while. PT is new and hot and crowded, but things can go down with the fall and winter. We can also help it along, or at least help ourselves with our own negotiations.
Now for me, I go with one month to two in between times out, so I don't feel like I get "Pegged" for a certain price, as RF put it, yet still can get recognized as sort of regular. I aim for 120 and that's that the next time out. If I could get Pink for 130 (and think I could have at taht time for 120), 120 for anyone else should work.
The "Room #1 Theory" sounds logical, but honestly, I've been serviced many times in the 1st room, even at Green. What it might be is that if they suspect you are trouble, the front room may be your only option. However, if they know you, they may just put you wherever there's room.
Service Man, I think it was my post that started the stuff about Lucy @ Osaka and hygiene.
The point I was trying to make is I walked in, and she wanted to go right to the deed, no shower, no massage, just right to a BB BJ. The reason I walked is I wanted a shower and massage, I had been helping a buddy build a deck all day long and I was feeling it. I also had to pay $40.00 door fee, and I figured that entitled me to a shower and massage. Otherwise for that money (200) I might as well, just get an american escort ;)
So I walked not because I thought she was dirty,but because she wanted to move right to the end game.
YM
Just in case we needed more evidence of the effectiveness of the anti-LS crusade:
I was in Rockford Tuesday late AM and picked up J____; maybe 40, looked pretty good. Got BBBJ and some conversation, which I will relate. She was out trying to get some money for breakfast because she works at one of the two remaining LS's and nobody is coming in anymore because of the one alderman crusade. She also mentioned that LE is pissed about the whole thing, too, because she is one of many that have spilled out onto the streets out of necessity, thus making their jobs much more difficult.
So, who has gained from this?
Strider wrote: "So, who has gained from this?"
O.T. for the uniforms
Strider,
I know that the shops have not been messed up that bad. I am going back and I have the inside scoop. Well I know that Exclusive has picked up business alot compared to last year. I am comfortable going back. They had a number high enough of customers the other day, that I hadn't seen in awhile. But the heat is off of the LS's definitely since last year.
Thanks,
Hayley
Well one could say the guys that wind up picking up the former LS models and getting them for SW prices have gained. Happened to me a couple of times. The girls realize they can't get as much when they are picked up on the street.
TheShadow2
08-12-04, 22:17
Ralph,
You're not paying the girls as much, but without the middle man, the girls are possibly making roughly the same amount...
Reply to Head First,
I have not had the Room #1 experience that you report. I have not been to the Rfd AMPs, but I can say that I have had good service in Room#1 in the Chicago area at Exercise, Singapore, Access-In/Accupressure/Spa 83, the (now closed) VIP on Cumberland, Summit, United, Gunnison and a couple of others in Des Plaines that are now closed.
You may be right that they would put a suspected LE in #1, but it is far from certain that you will not get extras if that is where you end up.
Even when I have been the only customer in the place, I have been in Room #1 and had a fine time.
Vazooli
Just in case we needed more evidence of the effectiveness of the anti-LS crusade:
I was in Rockford Tuesday late AM and picked up J____; maybe 40, looked pretty good. Got BBBJ and some conversation, which I will relate. She was out trying to get some money for breakfast because she works at one of the two remaining LS's and nobody is coming in anymore because of the one alderman crusade. She also mentioned that LE is pissed about the whole thing, too, because she is one of many that have spilled out onto the streets out of necessity, thus making their jobs much more difficult.
So, who has gained from this?
I know I've gained. Nothing I love more than going into a lingerie shop and having the full compliment of girls to choose from.
Seriously the only way they could be better is if there were showers there.
The door thing over there doesn't bother me at all anymore - hell I don't even remember anymore what it was liked with the full doors.
GlobeRunner
08-13-04, 14:49
Hi Hayley,
Don't take my request as an attack by any means. Take it as constructive consumer desires. I've been to the lingerie shops numerous times, but I end up leaving without getting a show. And take my business to the AMP's where the girls time is worth my dime. In my opinion(i know beauty is in the eye of the beholder), the girls at the LS are no models. And don't say they are cause you want to promote your fellow employer. Cause the quality of girls for what they are charging isn't kosher. It's fine if you don't have supermodels there, but the girls should charge a necessary fee that matches their features. The prettier the girl the higher the price. the uglier the girl lower the price. it sounds logical since their profession is based on looks for the pleasure of the flesh(of course service and attitude matters, but lets be real are johns going to fork out top $ for an overaged and overweight lady because she treats you as nice as your grandma does?). Also, take Playboy for example do you think they would get away with successful high average magazine sales if Exclusive girls were featured in there magazines?
My point being is I would love to give the LS my business instead of the AMP's if the girls were more appealing and I'm sure many mongers out there who visit Rockford would agree with my assumption. Hayley since you work at Exclusive maybe you could speak with management to hire and seek out new talent(look at the bars, friends, put an ad in the paper, etc). Lighten up the place a little. Give it a new face lift. Remodel the joint. Business will pick up and the consumer will be happy with customer satisfaction. Just a thought. What do you think?
I don't know if I totally agree with Liebermann abou tthe LS standard of looks. Yes, there's prone to be a few more average looking girls (or scarier without makeup?), but I think I've run through as much my share of good looking girls, especially at Exclusive, as I have the amps. Now I admit, I haven't made it in about two years. I wanted to make a point of getting in before the door changes last year, but never did and haven't got back. Goo and whoever else here that hits Exclusive (or Chantilly) seemed to not be too bothered by them. I think I've been pretty lucky looks wise at amps (although I've heard descriptions of average or less looks). Two theories there: 1. Unless you request a favorite or lineup, you don't get a choice of who want in a lineup. It's in their better interests to have better looking girls. 2. It may be a mix of cultural factors that it can be easier to recruit better looking women from their countries to come here, where American women that are hot usually have a better advantage at employment in their own country. Certainly some come from lower income backgrounds and dancing or LS activity become a better option for quicker money.
In any case, every AMP doesn't sizzle with "models''. Tokyo is known for someone older women. PT is known for hot younger ones. When more LS were around, you could say one had hotter girls than the others. That's still there. I don't know what it's done as far as where some of those girls work now, or moved onto, or do they just work less hours? Maybe Hayley would have those answers besides saying that business is good. In any case, I don't think they are going to recruit the finest dancers, models etc. to staff it the way you want them to (I'd love to see the dance clubs staff that perfectly), and I have no problem with the trade off for occasionally communicating in English. I'd like to make it back in there one of these days. I would however, like to see them move from lingerie to massage w/shower (like goo suggested) type of business. I think they could get around things and go back to closed doors if they did. But I doubt they will ever try that. Besides, the move would be so transparent, the city would probably outlaw that too.
Well I consider it great if the girls are making as much and I am paying less.
I only have been to the Rockford LS three times. Two times were disappointments since the girls told me that is something that the dont do. One acted like every the other said that was reserved for repeat clients. The 1 time I was satisfied was at Kellys which is no longer with us.
Of the three girls I have picked up on the streetw ho said they used to work at the LS one said she never had to do anything but a and job at the LS and was not used to doing more for less, a second said she only did more if she thought the guy was cute or offered her lots of money and a third said she was used to going all the way at the LS since she felt she was not as attractive as the other girls and knew she would get picked more often by guys who knew what they could get from her. She told me most of the girls there would not do FS.
One of these girls who I am guessing is still at a LS and also on the street told me her real name and said if I was in town and could not find her on the street or her cell phone was out of minutes that I could call the LS and ask for her and she would meet me elsewhere. Never did this, although she was nice persoanlity wise she was only average looking and several years older than I am. I never outgrew the phase of liking college girls, despite the fact I am now at the age where the think i am getting to old for them- but still to young for their mothers.
TheShadow2
08-13-04, 23:23
Liebermann,
Dude. Not cool. Are you serious? Did you really think you would do a post like that and get the results you are seeking?
Like Hayley is going to read your post and say "Hmm, ok never thought of that, I'll tell the owner, Thanks!" And then the owner will be like "Hmmmm..... Hot chicks....now there's an idea! Guess I blew it when those Playboy bunnies applied and I told them there was no market for them!"
But seriously. It's the simple irrefutable laws of supply and demand. If it's not worth it to you, don't go. The "marketplace" is efficient, in this case, the market is action in Rockford. The owners and workers will charge what people will pay, no more or no less.
If people weren't ok with paying it, the places would be out of business.
I also seriously doubt whether anyone cares what color the paint is or what kind of wallpaper they've got, if that's what you meant by remodeling....
GlobeRunner
08-14-04, 19:15
Anyone see an escort named Tayor in Rockford? She looks alright. If so please post experiences or private message me. Thanks!
http://www.hometown.aol.com/taylorofrockford/myhomepage/personal.html
Well, the time has come. In case no one noticed the article in the Rockford paper, as of January 1, 2005, any massage theropist has to be liscensed AND have a criminal background check. Our beloved guv signed the bill into law.
How does this effect us? Well, you can almost be assured that between now and the end of the year, the local spas will be doing all they can to get what they can. Don't be surpised if house fees start to rise and tips become non-negotiable. Maybe now right away, but they know their time is limited, because after Jan 1, they will be out of business. I can't see any way in which they can get around the law. And I would assume this will also take care of the two places in Belvidere.
Again, start looking for changes in pricing. And please post whatever information you have for the rest of us. Good luck, hobbyists.
DJ
Joey Greco
08-16-04, 19:22
Visited The Stroll late night Sunday. Surprising number of SWs on 7th and 8th especially south of creek. Only one north was way up by Charles, talking on pay phone on east side of 7th for long stretches. She would then walk south toward The Flame and keep shooing slowing cars away. I later wound up with a veteran WSW named "Sherri" (5.5; saving grace was Sally Kellerman lips) and asked her about blonde girl on 7th. "Oh, she's a crackhead who's pissed off at the world," Sherri replied. Good, succinct scouting report. Some real ragamuffins out there including white chubette near district LE office who looked like she was dressed for a Helen Crump tea. Also, slender AA/Native A guy dressed as girl on west side of 7th near mid-Stroll. Shouldn't he be on city council soon?
Liebermann, post private messages? That sucks!
Search for her review at the erotic review and post your comments in public.
I found this in a post I wrote dated 3-30-03, about a girl that was working at Royal at the time. She's back, using the name Chanel, working at Sakura. I highly recommend:
"Coco: new girl. A very sexy style of a skinny bod, cheeky butt atop long legs. A bit cuter than avg in the face, great smile, and very striking black hair that's gorgeous against her pale-white skin. Her med size enhancements are somewhat unnatural in appearance and a bit hard, but not terrible, and is compensated for with puffy very sensitive nipples. Even her box is attractive looking, gets wet easily, tight, and you can really feel it when she cums. Forget about chit chat, she understands very little english. Yet I couldn't help trying to keep her talking because I really adore her mousy voice. Some may find it annoying but I was tickled. I hate to put it this way, but her voice is sort of the stereotype of a high-pitched, nasally, oriental female voice. I don't know if I could take it for very long but for an hour it was a blast to hear her talk. The best part about it is she knows that her voice is unique and plays it up with silly meow-meow gibberish. She's almost worth seeing once just to experience the voice."
A few things have changed besides her name, which is now Chanel. First, her hair, which is a shame. It was amazing, now its just average dark/med brown and over-processed. Natural it was the deepest darkest black and very strong, thick and shiny. She doesn't talk and play up her unusual voice so much any more, which is also a shame. Maybe she just got tired of the gimmickiness of it or self-concious or something. Also she doesn't seem to get as wet as easily as she used to, but if you treat her right there is still the potential of her enjoying the session; if you get her to pop you'll probably feel the fluttering. She almost seems thinner than I remembered her, but still a little bit of shape to her. She also seems a little lighter in the caboose; I wrote that she had a cheeky butt but now it seems typically small for a thin asian girl.
Chanel's english hasn't improved much, but she's been around long enough and communicating the vital issues isn't a problem, but forget in-depth chit chat. She wouldn't be out of place at PT & P, and neither would Lucy or Kim, both of whom work for Osa-kura.
Call ahead to see which girl is working at which location. Maybe they're not at the level of the top 10% of PT girls, but its an option to consider. Lets send a signal to Coco and her $160 ball busters that they ain't the only show in town.
Forgot to mention: I tipped Chanel $120 and she made a half-hearted plea for $20 more. I put my hands up and she accepted without a fight.
Libermann,
I completely agree with you. New talent and atmosphere are the two major factors. I think a remodeling job would be a good idea. And recruiting would be good. Also if showers were installed and we went massage instead that would make business grow probably 200%. Also those girls probably would charge alot more than the average lady would. I know some escorts that charge $400.00 an hour but there attitude isn't all that great.
Hayley
You pay for what you get, and you get what you pay for.
Advertising massage isn't really an option for the LS's, that requires a license which takes a minimum of 650 hrs of massage therapy instruction. Even the AMPs are having a difficult time finding enough licensed girls. Its going to be real interesting to see where the AMPs stand this time next year.
I think remodeling is a doable option. I have to say that Exclusive has pretty grungy surroundings.
One of the things I liked so much about Pine Tree wasn't just the service - but the fact the rooms were so damn nice, clean and comfortable. Also the fact they use pseudo-beds over there instead of massage tables was great.
Again, for me attitude is just as important as looks. And it often tips the scales to its favor.
To Liebermann,
Hi there! I will be seeing her (Taylor Of Rockford) today at 3:00 PM.
I will try to get more pictures of her if she allows :-).
But her price is high : $250 per hour, however, she is pretty.
I will report back later tonight.
Have fun guys!
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With the future of the LSs in question, not to mention the AMPs, I can't imagine the owner of Exclusive wanting to dump a lot of dough into the building. You don't do anything in business unless it's an investment. His/her GMROI (gross margin return on investment) is not certain to be very large at this point. Once the elections are over and he/she has a better idea of the climate in Rockford, it will be more clear whether a remodel would be worth it or not. Only time will tell.
G Goteborg
08-18-04, 19:46
Can someone please PM me on how things work at the Flying Saucer.
BobEastSide
08-18-04, 22:23
RealFun,
A couple months back I saw a lovely Chanel in Waterbury, Conn., who said she had worked before (briefly) in Rockford. Later, I learned that she left Waterbury, but did not learn where she went. Sounds like it could be the same girl. Did she mention anything about working out east? I had a great time with her and would love to see her again.
BobEastSide - damn the bad luck, the search function is down. I do remember you having a post about that visit to Conn and about the girl with the Rfd connection. I'd want to read your post again to refresh my memory. Chanel never told me anything about having worked out east, her work history never came up. I tried to mention to her that she looked familiar to me but I don't think she got the gist of what I was saying.
When I was with her I couldn't remember her previous name or where she worked so we didn't talk about her past much at all. We didn't talk much, just had fun.
Anyways, check your pm for further discussion on this.
Chi Guy,
Honsetly I do not believe the LS's will close as long as the rules are followed. Which at Exclusive they seem to be. Considering the election we'll see what happens with that. Now I hear they are after the massage parlors in Illinois to have only licensed massage therapists. The remodeling would be great for us at Exclusive but it's been so many years. I believe the atmosphere of the surroundings when you first walk in to a shop is one of the big factors for someone that is visiting for the first time. You want it to look pretty, at least I would. Not only that but the girls also should have a good attitude.
Service Man
08-20-04, 16:34
Greetings Hayley,
There is talk of laws requiring all Massage Therapist's to have a license, but nothing has been passed yet in that regard, that I know of. However, this week the IL state legislature did pass a law requiring all massage therapist's (licensed?) to undergo a crimminal background check. This law is designed to keep people who have been convicted of prostitution, out of the Massage business.
SM
<<<<< Chi Guy,
Honsetly I do not believe the LS's will close as long as the rules are followed. Which at Exclusive they seem to be. Considering the election we'll see what happens with that. Now I hear they are after the massage parlors in Illinois to have only licensed massage therapists. The remodeling would be great for us at Exclusive but it's been so many years. I believe the atmosphere of the surroundings when you first walk in to a shop is one of the big factors for someone that is visiting for the first time. You want it to look pretty, at least I would. Not only that but the girls also should have a good attitude. >>>>>
Midwest Roam
08-20-04, 22:00
I passed through Rockford today around 1-2pm, saw at least 4 WSW on 7th st, one extremely gorgeous long haired brunnette walking from the BP on 6th st. She was wearing skin tight white pants with some sort of a print on them, but was so good looking I feared a sting. She would have been a 9 or a 10. When I looped back to check again she was gone. If anyone knows who she is and how to contact I'd love to get a PM with this info.
I saw another not bad looking dark brunnette, maybe red head near the same location on my loop back, but really wanted to find the first girl again. There were also two skanky WSW walking from Broadway up toward downtown, but they looked a bit cracked out.
The is a resale store on the east side of 7th street just south of the bar around 12th or 13th ave. I saw a lady standing there in the doorway, sometimes on a cell phone, but no eye contact. Not sure if she was working or just waiting for someone. On one pass a black lady was squatting in the same doorway, anyone familiar with this place?
All of a sudden, at 2pm or so there wasn't a single SW visible anywhere. The whole time I didn't see any LEO, other than one parking enforcement jeep. I did see a few bike riders who may have been plain clothes, not really sure.
Once I saw the brunette I didn't want to settle for the less attractive, so I ended up not hooking up with anyone. I'm certain I've seen her before, but only once. I guess I'm surprised that I don't recognize anyone after cruising Rockford on occasion for months now. There seem to be a lot of SW, but they must move on or only work infrequently
Its too bad that so many times the girls' attitudes match the dumpy decor. One day I had loads of time so I decided to spend the day going to every LS (back when they were all open) and see all the girls before I picked one.
My first stop and second-to-last stops were at Exclusive. Both times I walked through the door (maybe 1.5 to 2 hours apart) there was this one chick curled up on one of the couches with a blanket up to her chin. She didn't move as the other girls trickled in. One was wearing kinda sexy street clothes, nothing special. One was wearing a casual sweat suit with a hood, and just opened up the front to reveal her bra as a way of "looking sexy." One girl was wearing a fairly nice teddy... but she also had a frumpy short robe over it, and black socks on her feet.
Most of them just stood there, a couple did make an effort to look flirty and sexy. But even they dropped the act when I indicated that I was leaving empty handed. Like, in about 1/32nd of a second their look went from "Hey, Baby!!" to Oscar the grouch.
I say it was my second to last stop because even though I had left my house determined to break my AMP run and do a LS just for variety, I ended up going to Rainbow.
Hayley,
I actually agree that a remodeling is due at Exclusive. I also agree that Exclusive wouldn't have many LE problems "as long as the rules are followed." However, at this time last year, there were four LS's in Rockford. Now there's only two. If it was only a matter of following the rules, these shops would would have cleaned up their acts and remained open.
The facts are simple. Rockford is known as Illinois' red light district. Many guys make the trip expecting sex. Period. If they don't get it, they won't be back. The LS's, along with the MP's, have filled a demand for a long time. That's what kept them in business. If they are forced to become legit, the business will not return, and many of them will meet with the same fate as Kelly's and Brandy's, especially if some of the girls' attitudes don't change.
Personally, I think that the govenment should stay out of all of this as long as the shops and parlors are not creating a public nuisance. What goes on between two consenting adults behind closed doors is no one else's business as long as they aren't violating someone else's rights.
But to stay in office, politicians have to make the public perceive that they are serving the community. It's an election year, and many people have a lot to lose if they are not perceived as taking care of their constituents, hence the increased heat on the shops and spas.
Hopefully, after the election, some of the heat will blow over. But if I was the owner of Exclusive, I'd wait and see before dumping the dough into the place.
Member #2473
08-21-04, 16:58
Jackson - thanks for making me active!
I had a great experience at the Hideaway about 2 weeks ago. Saw Ashley. great conversation - very flirtatious. And oh, my the lap dance!
DFK, BBBJ during three songs. DATY also. Very hot. $.2 per song whatta deal!
I am going to be revisiting this experience, friends.
Smknjo (I will be changing the member name soon!)
Member #2473
08-21-04, 17:18
Okey Guy,
Would love to hear about Taylor and pics! Saw her website and she is smokin. Good luck!
Smknjo
Spramanator
08-21-04, 17:41
Hello all,
Just my two cents worth. I really do not think that we have that much to worry about with the LS's and the Amp's closing down. Yes it is an election year and the spotlight is once again on our "hobby". But remember the last election year? And the one before that? It is always the same thing. It gets hot and then cools down.
As far as the LS's are concerned I do agree that attitude makes the difference. I know that the girls are there to just make $$ but at least they should pretend like they enjoy what they are doing. If they don't like it then get out of the business. We go there for one thing and that one thing is to have a fantasy or need fullfilled. If it were not for that, most of us would stay home with our wives or GF's. You will hardly ever see a supermodel type at a LS (Sorry if you happen to be that type Hayley, welcome back btw, but I do not know what you look like) If they looked like supermodels they would be supermodels. IMHO I would rather have a 3 or 4 with a great attitude than a 8 or 9 who thinks I should be happy that she even deemed me worthy for her time.
Now for the AMPs. PT charges way too much. True they have the best looking girls (for now) but come on. Think with head one so head two can have some fun. Like Real said. The demand is there and the prices are being met so they will keep the price high if not higher.
The SW's know their value and only a few try to gauge a customer. Those are usually the younger better looking ones. The regs charge a fair price for good to excellent service. Speaking of SW's where are all of the hispanic ones? I asked before but never got a reply. If you know where they are send me a pm please. Latina's rock lol.
Well thanks for reading my ranting and raving and stating what is probably the obvious.
Happy Hunting,
Sprammy
P.S.
Haley, can you pm me your hours and maybe even a link to your pic? You sound like a cool chick (Did I just type chick? lol ) and I would love to maybe hook up sometime.
Sprammy
Unfortunately, I see bad attitude and service as just part of the mongering game. It happens. If it happens too much, I quit going to the place. I sometimes choose the same girl over and over, but this is rare as I like variety.
Overall I'd say I've received decent treatment at Exclusive. Sometimes a little too "business minded", but usually pretty cool at the same time. I'm mellow, and I know the ladies are there to make a buck. Same applies at Chantilly.
AMPs same story - especially the ones in Chicago. I've been to Rainbow once and got kind of a cold attitude (this was a while ago).
Pine Tree needs to have a seminar for the ladies as to how us mongers like to be treated - my 2 experiences there were perfect!
I happened to be in Rockford Sat. 10 am or so and cruised the stroll. There were plenty of SW's out! Two Blondes showing off their wares near 7th 1 block N of Broadway. Looked to good to be true, so I passed. They were solid 8's on the scale. Happened to pick up Shannon, a solid 6 and went to a notel. On the way without even discussing $$, she pulls out my c**k and does bbbjtc with swallow. This girl was very horney! My luck!! We get to the motel and for 1 bill we have the best time I have ever had with a sw for the next 2 hours. Yea guys, I couldn't believe the price myself, Whatever I wanted she was open to. Not sure if greek was on the table, not really my thing! Only downside for me was the pipe she pulled out in the room, says it makes her really horney. Guess it worked for her! She wanted me to stay the night, but with her calling her dealer or pimp after the first hour, got me a little spooked! Probably my loss as we could have screwed all night long. DATY was available but passed on by me. She was clean and all, but just the thought of this with a sw kinda makes my stomach turn. Have fun guys and strap up. I only hope I see Shannon again on my return trip to Rockford in the future.
BigDave
Chi Guy,
I know Brandy's closed for the fact her business had lost alot of profits before the changes. She actually could not afford to do all the changes. She had been slow for some time. Kelly's had drug activity going on. And they did not follow the new guidelines as to their owner not completing the changes. Also when a building is only leased and the owner of the property does not allow you to remodel then what do you do? I know by law you can add trade fixtures, but if you ever close or move all that needs to done is returning it to what it did look like. I'm trying to tell everyone something here before they knock on Exclusives decor. Also I really don't see Exclusive or the other LS closing anytime soon.
Hayley
ChiGuy,
No way Rockford is Illinois' red light district. Check out the burgs on the Illinois side of the river near St. Louis. Also check our southern Illinois and for that matter the Iowa border. Even towns like Freeport and Galesburg are similar to what Rockford has. There is just more net chatter about Rockford because 90 makes it an easier trip from the burbs. If you are closer to any of these other places (especially St. Louis area), do yourself a favor and check them out.
Head First
08-23-04, 19:24
Made another visit to Rockford last Friday and was given the RCT (Red Carpet Treatment) at Paradise.
From the lessons I learned here I saved 3 Jacksons for the same service I had at PT.
Felt good afterwards so I offered one of them back but she wouldn't take it...$10 tip was plenty.
Hayley,
For your sake and the sake of all your customers, I hope you're right and the LS's will remain open. Only time will tell.
On 1 January 2005 the laws in Rockford regarding licensed massage therapy will change. Currently a massage business can have a number of massage providers that aren't licensed, as long as there is at least one therapist on the premises that is licensed and in good standing with the American Massage Therapists Association (AMTA). The change will require each individual therapist to be licensed. Licensing requirements vary from state to state and even within a state. Typically licensing requires a minimum of 650 hours of instruction.
I'm not sure, but I believe that Tokyo will be able to be grandfathered in under the old law because they were the only one operating before the change was proposed. If that's the case, I suspect the AMP scenery will change pretty drastically. Every AMP except Tokyo will only be able to staff girls that are licensed, which will pretty drastically narrow the pool they can draw from. Tokyo will be the only one that can hire anyone as long as one person on the premises is licensed.
Should be interesting.
Realfun,
The law that goes into effect on 1-1-05 is stronger than that. Not only do the theropists have to be licensed, but a criminal background check done AND fingerprints taken. The "legitimate" theropists aren't very happy about it, but Guv Rod signed the bill. This is for the entire state, not just Rockford. And, part of the deal to pass this incredibally stupid bill is that no one will be "grandfathered".
As you kinow, some of the AMPs have illegals in them. Fingerprinting and background check will send at lot of girls scurrying. Tokyo and The Golden Touch will probably not make the cut. Neither will the two places in Belvidere. Looks like someone will have to open a topless carwash with hand simonizing.
DJ
My question on that last report is that if Tokyo was already grandfathered under the previous change, and hasn't needed that one licensed provider while the other amps have, would it then need to update to needing that one with the license, or would it still be unaffacted with the status of two laws ago (ie. Would they still not need even the one licensed provider, or am I wrong even that this has been the case?)
Service Man
08-25-04, 22:40
Greetings,
In addition to the coming changes concerning AMP's, Rockford's favorite Alderman is proposing that "suspected John's" have their picture posted on the Rockford city website. Please notice that he is not saying "convicted." He wants an initiative placed on the Nov. 2nd election ballot, that would require the posting of these pictures for everyone arrested (not convicted) for soliciting an act of prostitution. I am not sure if this would also apply to those who are providing such acts. It was on the local TV news on Tuesday night. Typical cowardly election politics, IMHO.
Be careful out there!
SM
I think for a long time Sakura and Osaka both closed at 11pm. I don't know when they changed, but apparently they are now open later. I think around midnight on weekdays, 1am on fri-sat. So it may be worth calling ahead to check.
And also remember that if you plan on seeing a specific girl at either of those two places based on a recommendation, remember to call ahead to see which one she's at because the girls bounce back and forth between the two amps. Also be aware that sometimes they'll tell you on the phone, "Yeah, she here" just to get you in the door... then when you arrive and ask for her, they'll bring her over from the other place while you get undressed. Don't be put off by this, its usually not that long of a wait. If time is an issue though, be very demanding in getting the mamasan to promise you how long it will take for her to arrive.
I was thinking about checking out Paradise, I haven't been there for a while. Does anyone have any current info on girls they've seen there, whether with a session or in the halls? Thanks.
Under the new law, anyone who is d/b/a a massage therapist or a massage facillity must be licensed. This is why the "legit" therapist tried to stop the bill. Itr would be an additional cost to them. Tokyo was exempt before, but under the new bill/law, they will have to abide by the same rules. No more one license. Each therapist has to be licensed. Once again, this isn't just Rockford, it's the entire state. So Chicago, the suburbs and downstate will also feel the pinch.
Unless I'm reading the law wrong - and some legal eagle friends say I'm not - this will pretty much shut down "massage parlors".
DJ
HERE'S THE COMPLETE STORY ON THE UPCOMING CHANGE IN THE LAW. BADNEWS!!!
Governor signs law requiring background checks for massage therapists
SPRINGFIELD – To crack down on prostitution rings posing as “massage therapy spas”, Governor Rod R. Blagojevich today signed House Bill 5891, requiring massage therapist professionals undergo criminal background checks as a condition for licensure.
"By signing this law, we are raising the bar on licensing requirements to protect the public from criminal elements posing as legitimate businesses," said Gov. Blagojevich. “This bill protects both the consumer and the integrity of the industry.”
The bill, sponsored by Rep. Charles E. Jefferson (D-Rockford) and Sen. James A. DeLeo (D-Chicago), will require massage therapist professionals to be licensed by the State for the first time, and to undergo both state and federal criminal background checks.
The Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation (IDFPR) and the Illinois Chapter of the American Massage Therapy Association have worked together to ensure that criminal elements are eradicated, citing the need to weed out “massage therapy spas” fronting for prostitution rings, from honest, legitimate professionals.
IDFPR will begin processing more than an estimated 4,000 massage therapist applications. After January 1, 2005, massage therapists will not be able to operate in Illinois without a license. Tentative application-licensing fees are set at $175, with a renewal fee of $175 every two years. An electronic criminal background check against Illinois State Police and Federal Bureau of Investigation records will screen for sex offenders. Sex offenders will not be granted a license.
“Not only does this legislation aid the consumer and validate this industry’s professionalism, it provides IDFPR with another opportunity to deliver additional services to Illinois consumers without added staff or expense,” said IDFPR Secretary Fernando E. Grillo.
The Governor’s signature on the bill allows IDFPR to move forward with the licensing process.
The law takes effect on January 1st, 2005.
Soul Vitamin
08-26-04, 19:22
Here's a link about the state law regarding the new mandatory license and background check of massage therapists, which was cosponsered by Rkfd's State Rep.
http://www.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=1&RecNum=3279
Looks like the other shoe is about to drop...
This article contains so many half-truths, I don't know where to even begin. Doesn't matter, people will continue voting for these liberal idiots because they have no idea of what the role of our government is supposed to be, and you can be sure the government schools (aka "public schools") aren't going to teach them.
Land Of The Free? It looks less and less like that every day.
Watch the "liberal idiots" thing, okay? Most liberals I know don't care about banning these shops. I can say it is usually a conservative tactic, like with abortion and if anyone remembers the Reagan 80's, those trying to ban porn. I'm not going to make it a political issue, I just don't like being labeled when it's not a "Liberal idiot" issue. It's what someone described earlier; It's election year politics and it doesnt matter which party they're for. Even though this is usually a conservative issue, Rockford is in a conservative enough area, that even a democratic administration has to capitulate to a near majority of conservatives. There's also the possibility that our favorite alderman, since he lives close enough to those areas (I'm not even going back into the long story ofhis vendetta that's been talked about here last year, but you may not have known he was the son of the gf of a LS owner) using this as a good example of how electable he is to the "good" citizens of the broadway & 7th areas. Also, there are some socially conservative democrats that are liberal economically in that they are for working class values, (pro-union, etc.). I've seldom heard of many fiscally conservative republicans that would agree with keeping the LS' and Amps legal. Not around these parts anyway. More of this stems from the fact 7th street is still viable, with the rest of downtown, for business redevelopment. That's just the dominant theme of Rockford politics right now. Thanks for the rant.
David John, thanks for the update. This news is worse than what I had seen coming when I caught wind of it about a year ago.
I'm working off memory, so forgive me for being vague and not being able to find the source documents. What I came across was the actual legal documents that only made the change of requiring each individual therapist to be licensed. To CaptAm22 (and others), to clarify, as far as I know in the recent past (4 years and less?) the rule has always been that a business was only required to have at least one licensed therapist on the premises. This explains why you'd occasionally see a seemingly worthless extra mamasan (usually younger than the old lady mamasans, about 35-45).
When I first saw that the change was approved, I also learned that Tokyo was the only rfd AMP that had been in business before the change was originally proposed and at least had a shot at being grandfathered in to being allowed to continue to operate under that rule; while all the others would be required to comply. Just imagine how that would have changed the whole dynamics of which AMP would then have the crown that was passed from Rainbow to Pine Tree.
But I guess in a post 9/11 world there's enough steam behind a measure like the one just passed, as explained by David John's link. Damn, this is worse than I'd thought.
I was surprised to see it pushed by two democrats, I thought this was religous righteous republican territory. Also, I can see why AMTA would have an interest in protecting their professional image, blah blah, but why would they be so heavy handed with it that they end up pissing off the legitimate members who don't like the new change?
I guess the article doesn't go into much detail about "how" AMTA worked with the governor on this issue, maybe I can check into that more.
Damn the bad luck.
Chi Guy, I'm intrigued by your comment that the "article contains so many half-truths, I don't know where to even begin." For one I'd like to hear what you'd have to say... if not on the board then please pm me. I always like to get to the bottom of things and know the "Real" deal.
Lastly, again, any updates on Paradise? What the hell... or anywhere else, for that matter?
Quick Nick
08-27-04, 03:26
It's too bad the politicians around here aren't more like the guy in Detroit who got arrested for solicitation. Now that's a politician!! I'd vote for that guy with both of my votes. I was in Detroit last week and it was the talk of the town. Check out the Michigan board for more info.
QN
Head First
08-27-04, 11:18
Real,
As far as Paradise, my experience was pleasant and pleasing but also one of the most professional sessions I've ever had. Cookie (30 something) was so methodical I almost felt like I was on an assembly line, from the first smile "hello" to the last hug "good-bye."
I'm sure you, in all your experiences, has had the same routine and it's easy to feel when you're being serviced by a pro, so I wouldn't recommend spending any Jacksons here unless you're a robot. As always though, ymmv.
What's that saying...Wham, Bam, Thank-you Man.
Has the Paradise changed management? I had the same experience. Very business-like. Although, mamasan was a lot more friendly than usual. Oh well. Please don't tell me Pine Tree has gone 'corporate' also!
DJ
Real Fun,
First of all, I want to apologize in advance for a long post. What am I saying? This is in response to a Real Fun post and I'm apologizing for a long post ;)? Just kidding.
Just to let you know where I'm coming from, I consider myself a Libertarian. The basic belief of the Libertarian party is that freedom and liberty are the bases upon which all laws should be written. If one person or group is not violating the rights of another person or group, the government should leave them alone. With prosititution, you have two (usually) people coming to a meeting of the minds on price and service, and no one else's rights are being violated.
Don't get me wrong. I understand that prostitution is immoral. That's between me and the guy upstairs. If groups, such as religious groups, want to end prostitution through educating people or through other means other than legislation, more power to them.
We have way too many laws and a government that is much too big getting their noses into far too many people's business.
That said, now for the article. Here's the second paragraph:
"By signing this law, we are raising the bar on licensing requirements to protect the public from criminal elements posing as legitimate businesses," said Gov. Blagojevich. "This bill protects both the consumer and the integrity of the industry."
How are they protecting "the public from criminal elements"? I've never heard of someone going in for a legit massage and complaining because they also got a hand job. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but it seems that it's LE that's going in and getting those handjobs, not John Q. Public. And since when is it the government's responsibility to protect the integrity of any industry?
Throughout the article, they also talk about the licensing and backround checks that all massage therapists will have to deal with. The great majority of massage therapists are legit. It's a shame that they should be hassled like this. Let prostitution be legal and the two professions will be forever separate.
Then there's the sixth paragraph:
“Not only does this legislation aid the consumer and validate this industry’s professionalism, it provides IDFPR with another opportunity to deliver additional services to Illinois consumers without added staff or expense,” said IDFPR Secretary Fernando E. Grillo.
What additional services? And without added expense? To whom? Maybe not to the government, but the therapists will have to pay $175 evey other year, and at least a portion of that will be passed on to the consumers.
This law is political. Now Rod the Clod can say that he's done something to fight prostitution. Remember, it's not what they do, it's what they are perceived to do. Thomas Jefferson would be rolling over in his grave.
Hey Guys,
It's been awhile since I've posted a report but feel compelled to let you guys know what happened today. It has been over 8 months since my last visit to an AMP "Paradise" it was O.K. not bad but nothing to really write home about. I went there today & had Cookie on a scale from 1 to 10 this was a 11.5
I don't give out praise lightly & this is no exception, but my experiance today exceeded my expectations by a country mile. Without going thru all the details I will give you the highlights. I got the shower which was very good (1) then I got a very thorough massage which included massaging my head right down to my toes (2). Then on the flip side - Well we all know that part real well (3). Finally she puts lotion on my legs & arms since she felt they were kind of dry, to top it all off she helps me put on my clothes (4). All for the bargain price of a Franklin & two Jackson's.
I have to tell you guys this was an awesome experance I have been involved in this hobby for over 3yrs now since moving into the area & I have never received treatment like this before. I know now why alot of you prefer the spas over the crapy lingerie shops. this was my 3rd trip to a AMP the first one I went to really sucked & that was Rainbow. I don't know if I will ever go back unless I hear that the service has improved.
I hope that I gave you some useful info.
Best Regards
Thanks, Chi Guy. I had an inkling that that's the angle that was on your mind. It was still very valuable to hear you lay it out that way. You made some excellent points in a concise way.
I respect the libertarian point of view, but I wouldn't put myself in that camp. As a conservative for minimal government interference with a personal attitude of live and let live, I think I differ from pure libertarians because I do believe that, *theoretically* it is OK for citizens to lobby their legislatures for laws based on their own personal code of morality, as long as those laws don't infringe on someone's constitutional rights.
Having said that, I think this right to create laws based on morality should be used with great restraint and weighed heavily before that course is pursued. I think our discussion here about the recent changes in Illinois is a heavy-handed over-extended mis-application of that theoretical right.
THIS IS BULLSHIT!!
Soul Vitamin
08-28-04, 08:46
Here's an article about street prostitution from the Rkfd paper...
http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040823/NEWS0107/408230314/1004/ARCHIVE
Spramanator
08-28-04, 09:29
Thanks for the link SV.
Hmm interesting article. It looks to me like all they did was advertise that they need more money and that they will not really do anything about the SW's.
IMHO if they want them off the streets they should stop hassling the AMP's and LS's. Once those places close down where do they think the "girls" will go? To Micky D's? I think not.
And of course they start complaining that there is no $$ to enforce the laws. Well if that is the case then why do I always see LE out in force? If there is no $$ to enforce the law then why not change it? Like it has been stated many times before, most civilized countries have legalized and goverment controlled prostitution.
"Civic leaders tout Rockford as a regional center for shopping, industry, health care and even tourism. " Really? Since when? I have only lived inthis area for about a yr now, moved here from the chicago area, not by choice mind you. Sorry to burst anyones bubble but Rockford was never mentioned when discussing those points above.
"Police reports show that a good number of the johns snared in prostitution stings hail from places like suburban Schaumburg, rural Stockton and nearby Wisconsin cities. " What? no mention of chi-town? Hm I wonder why that is?
"A lot of that traffic is headed toward Democratic Ald. Jeff Holt's 11th Ward.
"I think it is a big problem, particularly in my ward," said Holt, whose new bagel and bread shop is on the outskirts of the city's street hustler center. " Wow what a nice free add for him. If he is so concerned with the situation then why would he open up a shop near that area? Did he think that his mere presence would alleviate the problem?
""When it comes down to it, if you're going to have an aggravated batterer in jail or a prostitute in jail, you'd rather have the aggravated batterer; that is a violent offender," he said." I do agree with that point. I do think that LE should be going after the drug dealers rapists murderers etc. Leave the SW's to us. We can handle 'em lol
""A lot of these girls are drug addicts."
"Sociologists talk about "breaking the cycle of prostitution," although the components of that cycle do change depending on the context. In one instance it might be: Drug abuse leads to needing money for drugs, which leads to prostitution as a means to get that money; that leads to buying more drugs, which leads to addiction and the need to get more money to feed the addiction. "
Here we go again. True there are alot of drug addicted SW's but alot of the girls that I have talked to seemed to have a level head and were not strung out. You can tell the ones on drugs from a mile away. Most of the ones that I have talked too just want $$ to make ends meet, paying the rent feeding the kids etc. I say most because I know that some were probably on drugs and lieing but not everyone lies.
Get better paying jobs and job training and maybe then that will at least diminish the number of SW's. Not that I want that to happen, after all that is why I am out there, but hell I am not cruel.
"In Rockford's case there seems to be a third cycle at work: Residents get frustrated with the police because prostitutes freely walk the streets, cops are frustrated because they feel they don't get support from the state's attorney's office, the courts and the state's attorney's office are frustrated because there's not enough money to pay for the people and programs they need. Additional money, which, of course, would come from taxpayers. "
And I get frustrated because every time I go out looking LE is around making it harder to find any quality SW's. If you ask me I think that LE is doing a pretty good job of keeping the SW's at bay. Or maybe they have moved to a new location and I have yet to figure out where. If that is case and ayone knows where they have moved to please send me a pm. Also as usual pm me on where I can find Hispanic Sw's. i know I keep asking but I have yet to get a pm from anyone with help in this matter. I know they are out there. somewhere and I know that one of you knows where they are lol.
Anyway sorry for the long rant, just my two cents as always.
(Does anyone even read my posts anymore? lol )
Happy Hunting,
Sprammy
From "Real": I was surprised to see it pushed by two democrats, I thought this was religous righteous republican territory.
I'm surprised myself as well. With due apologies to Chi, I wrote as such as a liberal, most of us wouldn't support that, but most of wouldn't be the one's getting elected in a fairly conservative area. I made a ranting post to that effect that may have been too personal or something to post, as it never got posted. I lost one other post, though, that for the life of me I can't figure out why. I'll try to work on my grammar and spelling. Short story, I agree, and let's keep the info out there in the forefront, so we can know what to expect in January.
Good article, Soul Vitamin. I've said all along, in spite of the few in here that use the street, that those "businesswomen" tend to be way more of the problem. The needles in backyards, public urination, drugs sold by pimps (and the element that brings) with potential for violence have the potential for making it just more than sex between consenting adults. I do know business people in the area that have said the same stories about daytime sex in cars that interfere with their businesses. That said, it's all the more reason I disagree with the passage about criminal element in massage parlors as a reason to limit them. It will push more out to the streets again (or perhaps back to the streets in foreign countries?), and increase the street business and criminal element. It will overwhelm the police and courts like said in the article. That was another article that came up in yesterdays' paper and TV as a Pimp and his hooker managed to steal a car with a baby in the back in front of one of the broadway pawn shops. (No sympathy for mothers who leave keys in the car, though!). I think this pair can be charged for a felony this time around.
SV,
They think they've got problems now on the street. Just wait till the new laws go into effect concerning MP's.
Did anyone else notice the two opposite reports about Cookie at Paradise, one by Head First and one by Jerry P?
I see no reason to doubt either report. I guess it just goes to show ya, at any given time, ymmv.
So how to account for the variance in satisfaction?
I think it goes to shows that sometimes there's a fine line between "working it with lots of enthusiasm" and just plain "working hard." I prefer a girl to be more down to earth and sincere and real with me. It seems like Jerry got lucky and saw the more genuine side of Cookie's hard work, and Head First caught her in a more mechanical mood.
Head First
08-29-04, 13:09
It's true about performance with these girls and for that matter, even us guys have good days and regular performances too. That's why whoever coined the phrase "YMMV" certainly hit the nail on the head as these two reports can testify to.
I've gone back and edited my report on Cookie to include the word "pleasing" about our session. The time I spent with her was certainly that, and more. Her backside, which I eyeballed during the doggie portion, is worth a 9 - 9.5 on the men's "Boner" scale. And her muscle control and rythym was exceptional too as my finish can attest to.
It's just that although her body was on the table her mind may have been back in the kitchen where the aroma of some good home cooking was going on and since it was past dinner time, thinking back, I've convinced myself she was just in a hurry to eat.
As a guy, sometimes I rate sex a little bit like pizza. Even when it's bad... it's still good.
Also, I can think of at least half a dozen times when a session with a girl was smokin' hot and then the very next time I went back to be with the same one, it was only average so... go figure.
Btw, the smell of all that home cooking made me hungry so I hit the Culvers on the way out.
El Ricardo
08-29-04, 13:33
I was driving through Sycamore yesterday and saw what I think is a new spa advertised there (Ease side of town and South side of the main street (Route 64): Sun Spa/Sun Therapy. There was a Grand Opening sign in front, so I stopped and tried to go in. It was closed. I got the number from a lady in an adjoining shop and tried to call it later in the day but never received an answer. Anybody know any more than this?
El Ricardo
Ricardo;
I am quite familiar with that town and can say with a strong degree of certainty that there is no way in hell that Sycamore would allow anything like an AMP, especially that close to downtown. Think about it: the county courthouse is less than a block away. They are not stupid, would know way before it got to that point, and shut it down before it ever put the sign up if it was not legit. AMP's are almost always in out of the way strip malls, with much more discreet signage.
El Ricardo
08-30-04, 08:44
Strider,
It seemed unusual to me as well. However, given the new laws that are taking effect in Rockford at the end of the year, it occured to me that the Rockford spas may be exploring options. In addition, they were advertising "Oriental Massage". Even if they were establishing one here, I couldn't imagine it lasting too long.
ER
I go by there all the time (home in the country, customers in the 'burbs), maybe I'll TOFTT when I get a chance.
-or at least stop by.
El Ricardo,
Just a reminder. The laws that take effect on 1-1-05 are NOT JUST for Rockford. This is a STATE law. Which means all the AMP's and MP's in Illinois will be included. If it were just Rockford, you would see a ton of places opening around the area.
Whether it be Rockford, Chicago, Effingham or Sycamore, the law will apply to all.
DJ
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