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ConcreteGuy
10-23-19, 06:36
I have a few questions. I've never been to an AMP I've only heard bad things. I'd like to cross it off the list. I'm seeing some good things about Sunrise. I'm curious on a few things. What would be a good time to go? Is there someone I should ask for when I go? I would like to try everything there is to offer. Just a side note I'm a huge fan of the small girls. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
CuteGolfGuy
10-23-19, 09:06
I have a few questions. I've never been to an AMP I've only heard bad things. I'd like to cross it off the list. I'm seeing some good things about Sunrise. I'm curious on a few things. What would be a good time to go? Is there someone I should ask for when I go? I would like to try everything there is to offer. Just a side note I'm a huge fan of the small girls. Any help would be greatly appreciated.I have found that going as soon as or shortly after they open is best. As one provider said to me, "I just took shower and see nobody yet" which meant I was tagging her first that day. Sunrise is very good right now. Lily is not a small girl but she still has a great body and will make you beg for more. There is a younger small girl there as well but do not remember her name.
When she asks what you want, just say FS. She will ask how much of a tip. A Benji got me a great massage and two releases.
Hope that helps.
CGG.
Monger Forever
10-23-19, 10:46
Go and be relaxed it's a talking game if the girl feels comfortable your visit is good, if she feels you're LEO then it's a legit massage. Go pay the door fee be cool and never take any extra $ to show off take about 160 and only have that in your pants don't take a wallet or anything else in since you do leave the rooms one never knows if someone looks at how much money you have on you, also daytime can be good everyday is different at AMPs my rule of thumb is drive by them see if many cars are there if it's empty go in good chance things are quiet and the girls want that $. The main thing is to be relaxed and calm and just play stupid and no clue of a girl to recommend since I rarely go.
I have a few questions. I've never been to an AMP I've only heard bad things. I'd like to cross it off the list. I'm seeing some good things about Sunrise. I'm curious on a few things. What would be a good time to go? Is there someone I should ask for when I go? I would like to try everything there is to offer. Just a side note I'm a huge fan of the small girls. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
BayCityGuy
10-23-19, 15:21
I had the same exact experience with this one a few years back. I hope she's improved but I doubt it.
I've also seen her a few years back. She stood there while I undressed and I asked, "do you stay in the room while I get ready?" She smiled and said, "I like to watch. Does it bother you?" Of course, I said no. I was confident after that, that the massage was going to be good and HE was probable. However, she was totally legit and there was nothing sexual or sensual at all during or after the massage. I got the sense that she is all tease, both in her seductive ads she posts, and at the start while you undress.
I doubt that she offers extras. She seems sort of shrewd and just luring guys in to make money. She isn't bad looking, but I think her photos make her look better than she actually is.
I found her name while looking at her website or something once, and looked her up. She has a mugshot online and served prison time. I just decided to pass on a repeat visit. She seems like she's playing games with the hints of anything sexual.
BoRegardHer
10-27-19, 09:49
So all this talk of Lily and the small girl with big tits got me curious. Never been to AMP and not sure I'll go again. Not sure if Lily / small girl were temporaries or what but I got an older lady who's face reminded me of this.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xQUVDkpRzfY/maxresdefault.jpg
About the guy below who said to just play stupid, I didn't have to. I've never had a TS, so no idea how that goes down, I was constantly being yelled at that whatever the hell I was supposed to be doing, I apparently wasn't doing right. Mostly revolving around my 'draping', which made no sense because as soon as I'd put it on, they'd fucking take it off 2 seconds later. I mean WTF? I felt like I was in a jail or something having no idea what I was being told to do and being scolded for not doing it apparently. When I came in I did ask if Lily was available, but was told no, she's on vacation for few weeks. Whatever. Well apparently since I asked if she was available it must have raised some flags because the Cho Tak Wong lookalike was drilling me on how I knew about Lily. I said online and networking and after the TS and then sauna she brought me back to the room and was grilling me on showing her where I saw about Lily. I didn't want to and it reached a point where I told her I wasn't comfortable and that I was going to leave and then she just insisted no no no she'd do the massage. And all of this exchange obviously raised flags because nothing extra was offered and the massage was 'ok' at best and for obvious reasons there wasn't even a hint of playing / toying / whatever. Not that I really wanted it from her, but I don't get why asking for Lily seemed to raise so many GD flags.
So as I said, I didn't have to play stupid, because I was. It's still something I want to check off my list at some point, but not with some 45+ old bat whos face looks like the above. Money would have been much better spent on Michelle in BC, where at least I know I'm going to get a good massage and more.
I'd be curious to know if the good looking ones are still there.
TheunoAndOnly
10-27-19, 13:40
http://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/michelles-massage-and-wellness/777471641087
Any info is welcomed.
Jack Pine Savag
10-27-19, 19:25
http://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/michelles-massage-and-wellness/777471641087
Any info is welcomed.Try her out.
You won't be disappointed.
BoRegardHer
10-27-19, 21:45
http://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/michelles-massage-and-wellness/777471641087
Any info is welcomed.She gives a good deep massage if that's what you like, to the point of it almost hurting sometimes, but I enjoy it. HE is also available. I don't think more is available, but I'm sure $ would talk in that area. She's actually really cool, worth it if the massage is your #1 concern.
Monger Forever
10-27-19, 23:42
Common sense should tell you if you don't know the face don't say the name I have been to hundreds of AMPs and played dumb works every time it's easy you walk in hand the room fee goto table shower yes lots of small talk and they read your actions for their safety.
For all you know you were like yeah I saw lilly and the girl was lilly.
So all this talk of Lily and the small girl with big tits got me curious. Never been to AMP and not sure I'll go again. Not sure if Lily / small girl were temporaries or what but I got an older lady who's face reminded me of this.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xQUVDkpRzfY/maxresdefault.jpg
About the guy below who said to just play stupid, I didn't have to. I've never had a TS, so no idea how that goes down, I was constantly being yelled at that whatever the hell I was supposed to be doing, I apparently wasn't doing right. Mostly revolving around my 'draping', which made no sense because as soon as I'd put it on, they'd fucking take it off 2 seconds later. I mean WTF? I felt like I was in a jail or something having no idea what I was being told to do and being scolded for not doing it apparently. When I came in I did ask if Lily was available, but was told no, she's on vacation for few weeks. Whatever. Well apparently since I asked if she was available it must have raised some flags because the Cho Tak Wong lookalike was drilling me on how I knew about Lily. I said online and networking and after the TS and then sauna she brought me back to the room and was grilling me on showing her where I saw about Lily. I didn't want to and it reached a point where I told her I wasn't comfortable and that I was going to leave and then she just insisted no no no she'd do the massage. And all of this exchange obviously raised flags because nothing extra was offered and the massage was 'ok' at best and for obvious reasons there wasn't even a hint of playing / toying / whatever. Not that I really wanted it from her, but I don't get why asking for Lily seemed to raise so many GD flags.
So as I said, I didn't have to play stupid, because I was. It's still something I want to check off my list at some point, but not with some 45+ old bat whos face looks like the above. Money would have been much better spent on Michelle in BC, where at least I know I'm going to get a good massage and more.
I'd be curious to know if the good looking ones are still there.
LandRover20
10-28-19, 11:42
I have to chime in on a disappointing experience at Sunrise. Read all the great reviews and took the plunge recently. Knew right away upon entering that level of service might be dicey, then when I saw that the tables didn't have face rests and were up against the wall that there would be no excellent massage. (Not sure how other mongers didn't comment on the not so great facilities.) The girl I had was not Lily, but she was kind of attractive. Even though I had just showered, she made me do the TS, which I never really want. Her massage was horrible, and if I had wanted extras I would've had to get up off the table to gets funds. I passed and wasted a nice afternoon and some hard earned money. Maybe Lily was the only good thing going there. Can't recommend at all with so many other options.
BoRegardHer
10-28-19, 18:51
Common sense should tell you if you don't know the face don't say the name I have been to hundreds of AMPs and played dumb works every time it's easy you walk in hand the room fee goto table shower yes lots of small talk and they read your actions for their safety.
For all you know you were like yeah I saw lilly and the girl was lilly.Not sure why this is common sense? I never said I 'saw' Lily. My exact words were "Is Lily available" and if what I got was Lily or if the initial lady who took my money was Lily then I've just lost a ton of respect for every person who says Lily was good looking, because neither of the 2 I saw were good looking in the least.
Thing is, for a fairly low amount, I at least figured the basics of the AMP out. Before this I kind of thought a TS was like a sponge bath at a hospital or something, I had no idea, now I know. It was just an odd situation because she was pointing at a curtain 'in the room' and so I kept thinking this shower was going to happen 'in the room' so when I went to lay down and put the drape on she was all cranky. Not to mention, there was no knock on the door to ask if ready, she just barged in when I had just undressing and came in when I was fully exposed. Not that I care, but then after she asks again about the TS, which I still had no idea what this even was or how it went down, then she's telling me to put the draping on. I finally do and go to lay down and she gets cranky again which was when I figured that we were going to another room. Then we get into the TS room and I go to get on that table and she kind of yells at me again because the table is 'cold'. It's like WTF. I seriously was out of elements, but overall it was kind of funny. So then she takes the draping and tells me to get on the table, so I had the draping on for like 20 seconds and I'm like WTF was the big deal about the draping ffs you're having me take it off right away anyway and there is no one else here and the door into the main area is locked.
As I said, now I have the basics, but not sure why asking if a certain person is available is a bad thing.
Dougie1977
10-30-19, 22:58
Try her out.
You won't be disappointed.Saw her today. One of the better massages that I've had. It'd though it was straight to it like she was trying to exercise some demons out of jr. Asked he to slow down a bit which she did for about 10 seconds and then back to jackhammer. Still a bit raw. Definitely won't repeat.
I went back to see Lilly or the short one with big tits, No one knows her name. LOL Lilly and her are on vacation until the 5th of November. Fuck, She says I have beautiful girl here. I should have left. Terrible experience. Took an hour cause I paid before seeing her. Got a HJ at the end and left. One of my worst trips to an AMP. I swear it was awesome last time but not this time. I'm sorry if I've disappointed some folks on here. I am too. I will try after the 5th and see if they are back. No money in hand first either. Learned that lesson.
Hobby Cat 55
10-31-19, 11:10
Saw her today. One of the better massages that I've had. It'd though it was straight to it like she was trying to exercise some demons out of jr. Asked he to slow down a bit which she did for about 10 seconds and then back to jackhammer. Still a bit raw. Definitely won't repeat.Same exact experience with "jackhammer". Finally said "stop" as it hurt too bad. Got dressed and walked out. Told MM she not good, not coming back, in hopes she is gone soon. Hit and Miss can best describe Sunrise at this time, and lately it's a miss. HC.
MidMichGeezer
10-31-19, 11:59
Same exact experience with "jackhammer". Finally said "stop" as it hurt too bad. Got dressed and walked out. Told MM she not good, not coming back, in hopes she is gone soon. Hit and Miss can best describe Sunrise at this time, and lately it's a miss. HC.I believe these are two different providers.
I took a chance and stopped by on Tuesday. A nice looking girl met me at the door and I was hoping she was the one doing the massage. After being led to a room, an even better looking girl came in. She told me her name was Lily. I was told to undress and was led back for a shower. After the shower, we went back to the room and I was told to lie face down. Lily gave a very good massage for about 15 minutes then asked if I wanted everything. I said yes and we agreed on $. 1. This was definitely Lilly with natural DDs and a great shape. I really believes she loves what she does and loved me sucking and fondling those DDs. When I finished, she went back to massaging while I laid on my stomach. When Lilly finished, I got up to get dressed and Lilly started fondling me and I came to understand that she wanted me to lay down again while she jacked me off. At my age, I don't recover that fast, but I appreciated the attempt. Lilly told me that she works 7 days a week and if I understood her correctly, she will be there the next 30 months. I plan on seeing her again.
I took a chance and stopped by on Tuesday. A nice looking girl met me at the door and I was hoping she was the one doing the massage. After being led to a room, an even better looking girl came in. She told me her name was Lily. I was told to undress and was led back for a shower. After the shower, we went back to the room and I was told to lie face down. Lily gave a very good massage for about 15 minutes then asked if I wanted everything. I said yes and we agreed on $. 1. This was definitely Lilly with natural DDs and a great shape. I really believes she loves what she does and loved me sucking and fondling those DDs. When I finished, she went back to massaging while I laid on my stomach. When Lilly finished, I got up to get dressed and Lilly started fondling me and I came to understand that she wanted me to lay down again while she jacked me off. At my age, I don't recover that fast, but I appreciated the attempt. Lilly told me that she works 7 days a week and if I understood her correctly, she will be there the next 30 months. I plan on seeing her again.Lilly is back where? She sounds great.
BoRegardHer
11-13-19, 20:17
I took a chance and stopped by on Tuesday. A nice looking girl met me at the door and I was hoping she was the one doing the massage. After being led to a room, an even better looking girl came in. She told me her name was Lily. I was told to undress and was led back for a shower. After the shower, we went back to the room and I was told to lie face down. Lily gave a very good massage for about 15 minutes then asked if I wanted everything. I said yes and we agreed on $. 1. This was definitely Lilly with natural DDs and a great shape. I really believes she loves what she does and loved me sucking and fondling those DDs. When I finished, she went back to massaging while I laid on my stomach. When Lilly finished, I got up to get dressed and Lilly started fondling me and I came to understand that she wanted me to lay down again while she jacked me off. At my age, I don't recover that fast, but I appreciated the attempt. Lilly told me that she works 7 days a week and if I understood her correctly, she will be there the next 30 months. I plan on seeing her again.Didn't wait this time. Saw Lilly and it went MUCH better. She's a lot of fun, nice teasing and was overall a good time. Still not sure I think the AMP scene is for me though. Yeah, you get the massage in addition to some fun, but it's not like it's full on GFE (although Lilly was pretty dang close). I'd just rather see one of my ATFs for a full blown GFE experience and use the leftover to have Michelle give me an even better massage w / a HE. Glad I got to experience the full blown AMP experience though. She was a great tease on the TS. Think I saw the younger referred to earlier on the way out as well. She looked good as well. A lot better then the hag I saw last time. If you're into AMP I would think Lilly would be a pretty decent option.
BTW to previous poster asking where, it's sunrise health studio in Saginaw.
I also visited and it went OK. I am not as impressed but Lilly isn't too bad.
Didn't wait this time. Saw Lilly and it went MUCH better. She's a lot of fun, nice teasing and was overall a good time. Still not sure I think the AMP scene is for me though. Yeah, you get the massage in addition to some fun, but it's not like it's full on GFE (although Lilly was pretty dang close). I'd just rather see one of my ATFs for a full blown GFE experience and use the leftover to have Michelle give me an even better massage w / a HE. Glad I got to experience the full blown AMP experience though. She was a great tease on the TS. Think I saw the younger referred to earlier on the way out as well. She looked good as well. A lot better then the hag I saw last time. If you're into AMP I would think Lilly would be a pretty decent option.
BTW to previous poster asking where, it's sunrise health studio in Saginaw.
MojoFallin
11-21-19, 23:41
Stopped in after reading reviews. Got Lilly who is attractive with nice natural body as described here before. Thorough TS. Back to room for light touch erotic massage. Pretty open menu a little hesitant at times but had a good time overall. Large naturals were a plus. Afterward gave a stronger massage that was actually pretty good. On was out another girl was standing by door and was introduced as Tina. Cute small spinner type.
Truseeker9
11-23-19, 14:34
Had a great relaxing massage with HE. (not required) No drama, no problems. Great massage had me feeling great. Treat her well she will do the same. She's definatly a hidden jem!
ImpaleTheP
12-02-19, 00:26
Stopped in after reading reviews. Got Lilly who is attractive with nice natural body as described here before. Thorough TS. Back to room for light touch erotic massage. Pretty open menu a little hesitant at times but had a good time overall. Large naturals were a plus. Afterward gave a stronger massage that was actually pretty good. On was out another girl was standing by door and was introduced as Tina. Cute small spinner type.I recently went too and got Lilly. I thought she had much better sex appeal than that old chick with the bad boob job did a while back. She wanted more than I was willing to give. So I only got a handy! Nice soft hands and halfway decent massage. Pretty much what everyone was saying. She told me to bring more next time so we can "boom boom" LOL.
LandRover20
12-02-19, 10:34
Was hoping to escape black Friday madness and see Linda for the first time, but the shop was closed. Anybody know if she's closed indefinitely or was it just for the holiday? No answer on the phone.
PermaFrost
12-02-19, 11:10
Was hoping to escape black Friday madness and see Linda for the first time, but the shop was closed. Anybody know if she's closed indefinitely or was it just for the holiday? No answer on the phone.Just for the holiday.
Saw her a while ago and was legit. Excellent masseuse. Her ads even said "I am not an escort. " Michelle's recent ads have removed that!! Anybody know if her menu has expanded? Several reports said HE is available but wondering if more. Thanks guys.
BoRegardHer
12-13-19, 17:40
Saw her a while ago and was legit. Excellent masseuse. Her ads even said "I am not an escort. " Michelle's recent ads have removed that!! Anybody know if her menu has expanded? Several reports said HE is available but wondering if more. Thanks guys.I think if you saw her enough and developed a rapport w / her it might be on the menu, not sure about before that though. She's not my type so I just enjoy the massage and he.
Was hoping to escape black Friday madness and see Linda for the first time, but the shop was closed. Anybody know if she's closed indefinitely or was it just for the holiday? No answer on the phone.Linda says she was just closed for the Thanksgiving weekend.
Love The Lips
12-13-19, 22:05
Saw her a while ago and was legit. Excellent masseuse. Her ads even said "I am not an escort. " Michelle's recent ads have removed that!! Anybody know if her menu has expanded? Several reports said HE is available but wondering if more. Thanks guys.I've seen her a few times but it's been quite a while now. An HE is always included and she offers a prostate massage as well if interested. She always said no to removing any of her clothes as well as never allowing any roaming. Maybe she has changed her offerings but I wouldn't count on it.
Love The Lips
12-13-19, 22:12
Was hoping to escape black Friday madness and see Linda for the first time, but the shop was closed. Anybody know if she's closed indefinitely or was it just for the holiday? No answer on the phone.Where is Nancy's and is a HE a sure thing? Any more a possibility?
Where is Nancy's and is a HE a sure thing? Any more a possibility?Nancy's is on Bay Road Saginaw on the corner of McCarty behind ABC Warehouse. I don't think anything is a sure thing, that's why they say YMMV, but Linda is a very hot looking Asian lady.
Saw her a while ago and was legit. Excellent masseuse. Her ads even said "I am not an escort. " Michelle's recent ads have removed that!! Anybody know if her menu has expanded? Several reports said HE is available but wondering if more. Thanks guys.I've seen her a few times. She doesn't seem into the HE but I'd like to experience more with her for some reason. During my last massage with her about a month ago, she talked about starting to do dominatrix work. I haven't seen her advertise as such but maybe that is now open to all. She could be a lot of fun but just doesn't seem into it.
Love The Lips
12-14-19, 01:24
I've seen her a few times. She doesn't seem into the HE but I'd like to experience more with her for some reason. During my last massage with her about a month ago, she talked about starting to do dominatrix work. I haven't seen her advertise as such but maybe that is now open to all. She could be a lot of fun but just doesn't seem into it.You're right, she's not sensual at all about the HE.
But provides it because she knows that's what we want.
Nancy's is on Bay Road Saginaw on the corner of McCarty behind ABC Warehouse. I don't think anything is a sure thing, that's why they say YMMV, but Linda is a very hot looking Asian lady.Oh man, I've been there a couple times and never got as much as a sniff. Guess I gave off the wrong vibe! I kinda gave up on the place.
LandRover20
12-20-19, 10:13
Oh man, I've been there a couple times and never got as much as a sniff. Guess I gave off the wrong vibe! I kinda gave up on the place.I recently had probably the worst massage experience I've ever had there. I read all the great reviews and decided to go in, not even looking for HE because I knew it was more on the legit side. She was unfriendly from the get go, very mechanical, and actually took phone calls and text massages during the massage. Whoever the monger was that was calling and texting her must have been an incredibly important client because she totally sacrificed my time and any chance of a return visit. I don't know if she's paranoid about first-timers being LEO, but I get the feeling that if you're not an established regular with her, you're basically dogmeat. Draping stayed on the whole time. Also, when I came out, there was a car in the parking lot that pulled away once I got to my car. It was all really weird and beyond disappointing.
I recently had probably the worst massage experience I've ever had there. I read all the great reviews and decided to go in, not even looking for HE because I knew it was more on the legit side. She was unfriendly from the get go, very mechanical, and actually took phone calls and text massages during the massage. Whoever the monger was that was calling and texting her must have been an incredibly important client because she totally sacrificed my time and any chance of a return visit. I don't know if she's paranoid about first-timers being LEO, but I get the feeling that if you're not an established regular with her, you're basically dogmeat. Draping stayed on the whole time. Also, when I came out, there was a car in the parking lot that pulled away once I got to my car. It was all really weird and beyond disappointing.Glad I'm not the only one getting the cold shoulder. I feel like she does give a half way decent massage anytime I've went in. Thinking back she did ask a lot of questions about where else I had gotten massages in the past. Hmmm.
JeffONeil2
01-07-20, 12:24
You're right, she's not sensual at all about the HE.
But provides it because she knows that's what we want.Anyone have a new link to Michelle, wanted to give her a try but I'm not seeing anything on STG anymore.
Anyone have a new link to Michelle, wanted to give her a try but I'm not seeing anything on STG anymore.https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/michelles-massage-and-wellness/855887847371
Does Michelle do anything more than just a HJ? Does she at least do a BJ?
Does Michelle do anything more than just a HJ? Does she at least do a BJ?I highly doubt it, but YMMV.
Love The Lips
01-09-20, 00:47
Does Michelle do anything more than just a HJ? Does she at least do a BJ?No, she doesn't even allow over the clothes roaming. She will give a prostate massage though if that's your thing.
Love The Lips
01-10-20, 10:23
Does Michelle do anything more than just a HJ? Does she at least do a BJ?I see she is now based out of Clare. I saw her a few times when she was in Breckenridge and then in Bay City. Might try to catch her on one of my travels further north.
BayCityGuy
01-10-20, 11:17
I highly doubt it, but YMMV.Its just been HJ and that's it for me. Won't go topless. I tried.
Its just been HJ and that's it for me. Won't go topless. I tried.She went topless for me, but that had to be a year ago. No BJ, but she indicated that she was interested in a "sugar daddy" relationship so that all the goodies were available. She's not my type for anything like that and I'm not sure that's still a goal of hers but you never know.
JeffONeil2
01-13-20, 13:00
No, she doesn't even allow over the clothes roaming. She will give a prostate massage though if that's your thing.Don't mind good massages with HE, but does she do like a 45 min back massage then 2 minute quick flip? I like some playing and teasing along the way and good amount of flip time. Thanks for the info.
Went to sunrise not too long ago. I had not been there in about a year. Was greeted buy a nice-looking early forties woman. I had read reviews about Lily and asked if she was Lily. She immediately perked up and with her broken English must have thought that I was saying hi to her because from there on out she acted like I'd been there a hundred times to see her. She said I should not wait so long between visits. I opted for a 1 hr. With shower. And boy am I glad I did. She paid great attention to me in the shower being sure to clean the boys and the back door really good. Into the massage room and started off with a great massage then asked if I wanted more. I said yes, gave her a Benjamin and she immediately undressed. She began with me on my stomach and she was kissing me all over. This was the first time I've ever had my ass eaten but she was awesome at it. I am usually not into that but if you've never had your asshole licked before you are missing something. Eventually on the flip it was a covered BJ into full-service cowgirl style. After I was done she cleaned me up real good and then continued with a massage. Between the massage the foreplay and the full service it may have just been one of the best experiences of my life.
Went to sunrise not too long ago. I had not been there in about a year. Was greeted buy a nice-looking early forties woman. I had read reviews about Lily and asked if she was Lily. She immediately perked up and with her broken English must have thought that I was saying hi to her because from there on out she acted like I'd been there a hundred times to see her. She said I should not wait so long between visits. I opted for a 1 hr. With shower. And boy am I glad I did. She paid great attention to me in the shower being sure to clean the boys and the back door really good. Into the massage room and started off with a great massage then asked if I wanted more. I said yes, gave her a Benjamin and she immediately undressed. She began with me on my stomach and she was kissing me all over. This was the first time I've ever had my ass eaten but she was awesome at it. I am usually not into that but if you've never had your asshole licked before you are missing something. Eventually on the flip it was a covered BJ into full-service cowgirl style. After I was done she cleaned me up real good and then continued with a massage. Between the massage the foreplay and the full service it may have just been one of the best experiences of my life.I agree. Lily has skills. I was in there about a month ago and originally had the other girl Tina. It must have been a slow night because at one point while we were switching positions, she suddenly called in Korean to Lily who came right in, got naked and jumped into the action. Lots of threesome fun and no rush. Lily said "you bring more money next time and we do this again". Tina cleaned me up and helped me dress. $140 total. YMMV.
I sure would like to go to an AMP. But with my luck, the police would raid it while I was there. Is anyone else afraid of all these police stings and raids on massage parlors? I mean how long until they finally decide to put an end to some of the local favorites? It's hard to believe they haven't received any tips by now. I really want to go to one, but I'm terrified to at the same time.
I sure would like to go to an AMP. But with my luck, the police would raid it while I was there. Is anyone else afraid of all these police stings and raids on massage parlors? I mean how long until they finally decide to put an end to some of the local favorites? It's hard to believe they haven't received any tips by now. I really want to go to one, but I'm terrified to at the same time.There's no guarantees you're not going to get in trouble visiting one of these places, but it has to be a lot safer than texting and going to strange houses, apartments or motel rooms, visiting a female escort. These AMPs are all over the country and when one in Florida gets busted, it makes national news. I am sure LEO know what goes on at those places and if they wanted to create problems, they probably would find a way to shut them down. This probably doesn't make you feel any safer going in one, but you probably should be worrying whether you're getting your money's worth more than getting busted for looking for a happy ending.
OrallVrForU
01-17-20, 17:52
I took a chance and stopped by on Tuesday. A nice looking girl met me at the door and I was hoping she was the one doing the massage. After being led to a room, an even better looking girl came in. She told me her name was Lily. I was told to undress and was led back for a shower. After the shower, we went back to the room and I was told to lie face down. Lily gave a very good massage for about 15 minutes then asked if I wanted everything. I said yes and we agreed on $. 1. This was definitely Lilly with natural DDs and a great shape. I really believes she loves what she does and loved me sucking and fondling those DDs. When I finished, she went back to massaging while I laid on my stomach. When Lilly finished, I got up to get dressed and Lilly started fondling me and I came to understand that she wanted me to lay down again while she jacked me off. At my age, I don't recover that fast, but I appreciated the attempt. Lilly told me that she works 7 days a week and if I understood her correctly, she will be there the next 30 months. I plan on seeing her again.Whats the Total damage?? Micki in Lansing is a Legend in the AMP biz. She's in Jackson now and nothing is off limits with her.
I sure would like to go to an AMP. But with my luck, the police would raid it while I was there. Is anyone else afraid of all these police stings and raids on massage parlors? I mean how long until they finally decide to put an end to some of the local favorites? It's hard to believe they haven't received any tips by now. I really want to go to one, but I'm terrified to at the same time.Sure, there is some risk. But most of the AMPs that get raided are because of aggressive and repeated neighborhood complaints and / or local political agendas. Most places are rarely raided. The police know what goes on in these places. All of them. In every town in this country. A lot of cops are customers when not on duty. (Especially in Jackson).
If you want to go to an AMP, do it. Feel confident and try to be at ease. The girls will help you relax. Try to go right when they first open if you can. It's a safe time and the girls aren't tired and they are in better moods.
Clark25 is right. An AMP is a lot safer than some shady house or a streetwalker. You'll be ok. Just don't get addicted and blow all your money on AMP girls. LOL.
Just curious if anyone has seen this provider? Wondering if they are legit & worth it to see.
Private message is okay if you don't feel like posting a comment.
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/new-rates-call-today/842207860034
Just curious if anyone has seen this provider? Wondering if they are legit & worth it to see.
Private message is okay if you don't feel like posting a comment.
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/new-rates-call-today/842207860034I just saw her for the first time. She's expensive in my opinion but has a lot of pluses and a few minuses. But she is legit for sure. She used to post as Saginaw Sweetheart or something like that in the past and had mixed reviews. I hope that helps. I would repeat.
I just saw her for the first time. She's expensive in my opinion but has a lot of pluses and a few minuses. But she is legit for sure. She used to post as Saginaw Sweetheart or something like that in the past and had mixed reviews. I hope that helps. I would repeat.Thank you for the reply back. Good to know that she is legit. I might have to give her a try.
I just saw her for the first time. She's expensive in my opinion but has a lot of pluses and a few minuses. But she is legit for sure. She used to post as Saginaw Sweetheart or something like that in the past and had mixed reviews. I hope that helps. I would repeat.I do believe she was known as the Cuddler a few years back.
I do believe she was known as the Cuddler a few years back.Obligated to ask. Does she have any pics out there? .
http://flint.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/new-rates-call-today/609322859052
http://flint.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/new-rates-call-today/60932285905240+ only. Damn my youthful age! .
Thank you!
AsianLoverr
01-23-20, 11:46
Late report: Went back to Sunrise a few weeks ago and got handed Lily's partner. Thorough shower again and immediate teasing. Asked and told I wanted everything. Grabbed her ass and pulled her in to suck on her big chest. She loves her nipples being sucked on. I tried to pull away twice to move on and she pulled my head back in with more moaning. She got a few spankings for that. She climbed on the table and got on all fours with her ass perked in the air and grabbed my member. Used the good ole' mouth trick and deep throated to apply the cover. I used my hips a bit in this position with my hands on her head and then told her to flip over. She was very tight after a few spankings. Slammed her as hard as I could until I released. She said harder next time and winked at me. Asked to finish the massage and I opted in for that. Lots more teasing, but I was not up for a second round after such a hard pounding. Still need to head back to test out Lily.
BoRegardHer
01-23-20, 17:23
40+ only. Damn my youthful age! .
Thank you!LOL I doubt that's not anything some green wouldn't fix, but if this is the cuddler, personally I'd pass. She's alright, but nothing to write home about imo.
MojoFallin
01-23-20, 21:10
Late report: Went back to Sunrise a few weeks ago and got handed Lily's partner. Thorough shower again and immediate teasing. Asked and told I wanted everything. Grabbed her ass and pulled her in to suck on her big chest. She loves her nipples being sucked on. I tried to pull away twice to move on and she pulled my head back in with more moaning. She got a few spankings for that. She climbed on the table and got on all fours with her ass perked in the air and grabbed my member. Used the good ole' mouth trick and deep throated to apply the cover. I used my hips a bit in this position with my hands on her head and then told her to flip over. She was very tight after a few spankings. Slammed her as hard as I could until I released. She said harder next time and winked at me. Asked to finish the massage and I opted in for that. Lots more teasing, but I was not up for a second round after such a hard pounding. Still need to head back to test out Lily.Are you sure that wasn't Lily? Lily is endowed. The other girl when I was there didn't seem as large.
I do believe she was known as the Cuddler a few years back.What are the pluses and minuses, what's on the menu?
AsianLoverr
01-24-20, 12:17
Are you sure that wasn't Lily? Lily is endowed. The other girl when I was there didn't seem as large.I asked for her name and she told me it was something else. Definitely didn't say Lily.
Late report: Went back to Sunrise a few weeks ago and got handed Lily's partner. Thorough shower again and immediate teasing. Asked and told I wanted everything. Grabbed her ass and pulled her in to suck on her big chest. She loves her nipples being sucked on. I tried to pull away twice to move on and she pulled my head back in with more moaning. She got a few spankings for that. She climbed on the table and got on all fours with her ass perked in the air and grabbed my member. Used the good ole' mouth trick and deep throated to apply the cover. I used my hips a bit in this position with my hands on her head and then told her to flip over. She was very tight after a few spankings. Slammed her as hard as I could until I released. She said harder next time and winked at me. Asked to finish the massage and I opted in for that. Lots more teasing, but I was not up for a second round after such a hard pounding. Still need to head back to test out Lily.I think you might be talking about Tina. She loves getting her nipples sucked and she has really long nipples. Maybe this is the same woman you're talking about. She's good provider. I had her a few weeks back and Lily joined in unexpectedly! I posted a review of that if you scroll down a bit.
What are the pluses and minuses, what's on the menu?I think anything is on the menu expect BB. I think she use to post under the domination label, so she must have a kinky side. The minuses are is you need to be patient. She will not rush into anything and she's going to dominate the pace. The other minus is, she doesn't text much, she prefers talking and she screens people and is quick to turn people down. Also she will delay and or cancel a scheduled visit at the last minute with the typical family emergency.
other minus is, she doesn't text much, she prefers talking and she screens people and is quick to turn people down. No kidding. I contacted her and she told me that "my voice sounded different than the age I was claiming to be. "
Never heard that one before and I wasn't lying about my age either. She hung up on me almost immediately.
BoRegardHer
01-25-20, 01:44
No kidding. I contacted her and she told me that "my voice sounded different than the age I was claiming to be. "
Never heard that one before and I wasn't lying about my age either. She hung up on me almost immediately.She isn't worth the time or money anyway, consider yourself lucky.
Where is sunrise at in Saginaw.
Where is sunrise at in Saginaw.About 7:50 am these days, eastern horizon line.
Where is sunrise at in Saginaw.I don't think it's a good idea to post addresses. It's easily Googleable though. I found it in the first search.
About 7:50 am these days, eastern horizon line.My information says that sunrise is at 7:57 am on January 27,2020. That's if you're at 5365 Gratiot.
AsianLoverr
01-27-20, 22:03
Stopped by to say hi to the ladies. Lily seems to be hiatus for right now. Talked with Tina though and she was her usual friendly self. Walked up to me in a tiny dress that showed off her tiny body. Immediately grabbed my ass and my junk with each hand then asked if I was back for more fun. I told her I was just stopping to say hi but would be back soon. She gave a plentiful squeeze and we talked for a minute. Talent is still good here fellas. Treat Tina nicely!
I've been out of the area for about a year and was wondering, in your option what place or area is the best place to go to? I've read a whole lot of good things about sunrise in Saginaw but since I'm closer to Bay City I was wondering if anyone has visited any of them in a while, my main question is it worth the drive to go to Sunrise or just go to one of the subpar places in Bay County, since there has not been a post in over a year. Thanks.
I've been out of the area for about a year and was wondering, in your option what place or area is the best place to go to? I've read a whole lot of good things about sunrise in Saginaw but since I'm closer to Bay City I was wondering if anyone has visited any of them in a while, my main question is it worth the drive to go to Sunrise or just go to one of the subpar places in Bay County, since there has not been a post in over a year. Thanks.The only place in Bay County I would be interested in trying is the Kawkawlin Spa, not the Green Spa which is across the street. I've received good service there in the past but haven't been there in over a year. I wouldn't waste my time with the other two on Euclid either, there are known for chronic disappointments but obviously things do change. I'm happy to wait for someone else to get great service at one of those places before I attempt. However, Sunrise is definitely worth the drive to Saginaw and you can be reasonably assured you'll leave happy. YMMV my humble opinion.
SuperFlorida
01-29-20, 21:09
The only place in Bay County I would be interested in trying is the Kawkawlin Spa, not the Green Spa which is across the street. I've received good service there in the past but haven't been there in over a year. I wouldn't waste my time with the other two on Euclid either, there are known for chronic disappointments but obviously things do change. I'm happy to wait for someone else to get great service at one of those places before I attempt. However, Sunrise is definitely worth the drive to Saginaw and you can be reasonably assured you'll leave happy. YMMV my humble opinion.Seen Tina recently. All I can say is ai really enjoyed my time. Honestly, I'm not going to mess with the other escorts again. I will repeat, repeat, and repeat.
AsianLoverr
01-29-20, 21:26
Seen Tina recently. All I can say is ai really enjoyed my time. Honestly, I'm not going to mess with the other escorts again. I will repeat, repeat, and repeat.Honestly, Tina is where it's at right now. Small frame, big tits, and loves attention. I tried to pull away from sucking her tits once and gripped the back of my head pulling me back in saying, "You're not done yet hunny. " Plus she can really take a hard pounding. If you've been in before and she remembers you then she will give you proper attention in the doorway. She knows how to treat her clients. We also need to treat her well so she stays.
PermaFrost
01-30-20, 21:34
Noticed that Zen Sports Massage on Gratiot in Shields is open. Sign out front says its open until midnight. Haven't stopped by, but based on the hours of operation, I would think more than massage may be on the menu. Just a hunch.
Honestly, Tina is where it's at right now. Small frame, big tits, and loves attention. I tried to pull away from sucking her tits once and gripped the back of my head pulling me back in saying, "You're not done yet hunny. " Plus she can really take a hard pounding. If you've been in before and she remembers you then she will give you proper attention in the doorway. She knows how to treat her clients. We also need to treat her well so she stays.In the area today so stopped by to check it out. Sign in door says closed for repairs. Bummed.
AsianLoverr
02-06-20, 19:58
In the area today so stopped by to check it out. Sign in door says closed for repairs. Bummed.Anyone know when they plan on having repairs done?
Anyone know when they plan on having repairs done?Their website says they're open.
PermaFrost
02-06-20, 22:32
Their website says they're open.Drove by today & the open sign was on.
MojoFallin
02-08-20, 00:53
Drove by today & the open sign was on.Went by couple days ago. Open for business. Tina there. Liliy "on vacation".
Love The Lips
02-10-20, 01:49
I think I've found where she is working now. Wondering if any of you have seen her lately.
In the area today so stopped by to check it out. Sign in door says closed for repairs. Bummed.Does she have big nipples.
Does she have big nipples.Oh definitely.
Went by couple days ago. Open for business. Tina there. Liliy "on vacation".Is she back from vacation wouldn't mind checking her out or does Tina lick the back door.
Oh definitely.Is Lily back from vacation.
Is Lily back from vacation.How does Lily compared to Tina?
AsianLoverr
03-02-20, 09:16
Does she have big nipples.Hers are pointy and nice to suck on. She loves getting attention to them as well.
Over the past 6 months I've had both Lilly and Tina. Separately, unfortunately. I personally thik they are both amazing. Had Lilly most of the time. Only had Tina when Lilly was on vacation. Can't go wrong with either one. I need to try Tina again, See if see remembers me. I believe it's the best place in the area.
Over the past 6 months I've had both Lilly and Tina. Separately, unfortunately. I personally thik they are both amazing. Had Lilly most of the time. Only had Tina when Lilly was on vacation. Can't go wrong with either one. I need to try Tina again, See if see remembers me. I believe it's the best place in the area.When I saw Tina a Few weeks ago it sounded like she would be leaving and Lilly would be back soon. I'm terrible with age but I would think Tina is 50'ish. How about Lilly?
MojoFallin
03-07-20, 11:43
Over the past 6 months I've had both Lilly and Tina. Separately, unfortunately. I personally thik they are both amazing. Had Lilly most of the time. Only had Tina when Lilly was on vacation. Can't go wrong with either one. I need to try Tina again, See if see remembers me. I believe it's the best place in the area.Is Lily back from vacation? When they tell you a girl is on vacation you never know if it's a permanent one.
I may be back there this cumming weekend. I will let you all know who is available.
CuteGolfGuy
03-09-20, 20:29
Is Lily back from vacation? When they tell you a girl is on vacation you never know if it's a permanent one.I spoke with "Mamma" on Saturday and she said both Lily and Tina were available. Then she said to come in the later afternoon if I wanted to see one of the new younger girls. That peeked my interest! I may be making a later day trip there soon!
SuperFlorida
03-15-20, 17:51
Seen ruby recently. Nice body just like Tina, petite. Gives a very good, legit, massage. Very tight giner. She gets into it. Will repeat.
Seen ruby recently. Nice body just like Tina, petite. Gives a very good, legit, massage. Very tight giner. She gets into it. Will repeat.Who is Ruby and where did you see her at?
SuperFlorida
03-15-20, 18:55
Who is Ruby and where did you see her at?Pmed you. Check email.
BeerGuy3800
03-15-20, 20:59
Seen ruby recently. Nice body just like Tina, petite. Gives a very good, legit, massage. Very tight giner. She gets into it. Will repeat.Ok, who is Ruby?
Never done this before, is there anything special I need to say when I walk in? Not sure how this works yet. Would appreciate the help!
Hobby Cat 55
03-17-20, 18:35
Never done this before, is there anything special I need to say when I walk in? Not sure how this works yet. Would appreciate the help!This site has allot of great info. Hope this helps you and others. Look under forum topics with special interest, then massages, then: http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2291-AMP-Tips-and-Guidelines.
AsianLoverr
03-18-20, 08:24
Pmed you. Check email.Sent a PM about Ruby.
Are the AMP still open or closed because of the quarantine?
Also would love to know the details on Ruby. Where is she working?
I live in Bay City. All AMPs seem to be closed. I've driven past all of them except Sunrise in Saginaw.
I live in Bay City. All AMPs seem to be closed. I've driven past all of them except Sunrise in Saginaw.I can't believe a handjob is not an essential service.
CuteGolfGuy
04-17-20, 12:22
I just called and they said they are open. Since I can't get anyone else to answer my texts, I'm going to head over see who's working.
CuteGolfGuy
04-17-20, 13:45
OK, so I went to sunrise and saw Tina. She is exactly as described by some on here. Very good time. She said that they will only the open for those who call and let them know you're coming. She also mentioned that Lily went back to New York and does not know if she will be coming back but there will be a beautiful young girl coming as soon as the virus lockdown is over.
Anyone have any updates on Sunrise? Still seeing people by appointment? I live up north and was thinking about driving down this weekend.
CuteGolfGuy
04-30-20, 11:26
Anyone have any updates on Sunrise? Still seeing people by appointment? I live up north and was thinking about driving down this weekend.You have to call them and let them know you want to come in. Tina was the only one working a week or so ago. She is nice!
Good evening, all. So, I decided to go down to Sunrise on Friday. I called ahead at 4:30 to come at 5:30 PM. When I got there I was ringing the doorbell and a guy walked in behind me. Lily open the door and saw two guys and kind of freaked out. Evidently the other guy thought he could just stop in. Not the best move because he freaked her out. She was kind of blowing him off at the door, but he was really insistent. I ended up being cut down to 30 minutes instead of the hour I wanted, in order to accommodate him. I didn't feel that her mind was in the right place. Really shitty massage, good head, excellent rim. But kind of a bum's rush. All in all not the best experience, plus the price went up. I'd still go back but it was a disappointment.
Good evening, all. So, I decided to go down to Sunrise on Friday. I called ahead at 4:30 to come at 5:30 PM. When I got there I was ringing the doorbell and a guy walked in behind me. Lily open the door and saw two guys and kind of freaked out. Evidently the other guy thought he could just stop in. Not the best move because he freaked her out. She was kind of blowing him off at the door, but he was really insistent. I ended up being cut down to 30 minutes instead of the hour I wanted, in order to accommodate him. I didn't feel that her mind was in the right place. Really shitty massage, good head, excellent rim. But kind of a bum's rush. All in all not the best experience, plus the price went up. I'd still go back but it was a disappointment.Would you be willing to PM me prices for Sunrise? Thinking about scheduling an appointment and driving up from Lansing and wanted to know how much cash to bring with me. Thanks.
Good evening, all. So, I decided to go down to Sunrise on Friday. I called ahead at 4:30 to come at 5:30 PM. When I got there I was ringing the doorbell and a guy walked in behind me. Lily open the door and saw two guys and kind of freaked out. Evidently the other guy thought he could just stop in. Not the best move because he freaked her out. She was kind of blowing him off at the door, but he was really insistent. I ended up being cut down to 30 minutes instead of the hour I wanted, in order to accommodate him. I didn't feel that her mind was in the right place. Really shitty massage, good head, excellent rim. But kind of a bum's rush. All in all not the best experience, plus the price went up. I'd still go back but it was a disappointment.Lily is back?! Thought it was just Tina till all this is over.
Lily is back?! Thought it was just Tina till all this is over.My mistake. You're absolutely right, it was Tina, not Lily. Sorry.
Hello all,
Newbie here, I just wanted to post because I had a good experience at the sunrise spa today. I don't know who I saw because she acted like she had very broken English. I'm assuming it's Tina. She was straightforward by asking exactly what I was looking for in-service I did lie and tell her that I had been there before. Because I never know which is the best response. Anyways, after taking care of the finance part of it, it was refreshing to have a table shower. After that, we made it back to the massaging table where she jumped in with DATY, which was very pleasant and not awkward as I have experienced at other places. After that, she gave my twig and berries a lot of attention, and then she gave me the opportunity for some breast pleasure. Then we moved right into it. She rode me for a little bit, and then we change positions a couple of times. I was glad that she took the time to clean me up properly. Lastly, then she asked me if I would still like a massage which I said of course.
I was a little hesitant to visit sunrise after having a bad experience in Bay City. I have only been back in Michigan for the last seven months and had a pretty bad experience at one of the spas there. I'm glad to know that down the street from where I live there's a great option.
However, are there any masseuses that do any work out of their house? If so, please send info as I am interested. I enjoy everyone's effort to put some information in the forum as it does give a little bit of insight for the newbies to site in the area. There seem to be a lot of sketchy service providers in the area, and I am reluctant to indulge in any of their services. Even though Kristin in Bridgeport was okay, a little bit sketchy of a hotel. Any advice or referrals are much appreciated.
Pay two bills for the whole experience, which is not bad. A little bit higher than I'm used to in Texas. Please keep up the great conversation.
Hello all,
Newbie here, I just wanted to post because I had a good experience at the sunrise spa today. I don't know who I saw because she acted like she had very broken English. I'm assuming it's Tina. She was straightforward by asking exactly what I was looking for in-service I did lie and tell her that I had been there before. Because I never know which is the best response. Anyways, after taking care of the finance part of it, it was refreshing to have a table shower. After that, we made it back to the massaging table where she jumped in with DATY, which was very pleasant and not awkward as I have experienced at other places. After that, she gave my twig and berries a lot of attention, and then she gave me the opportunity for some breast pleasure. Then we moved right into it. She rode me for a little bit, and then we change positions a couple of times. I was glad that she took the time to clean me up properly. Lastly, then she asked me if I would still like a massage which I said of course.
I was a little hesitant to visit sunrise after having a bad experience in Bay City. I have only been back in Michigan for the last seven months and had a pretty bad experience at one of the spas there. I'm glad to know that down the street from where I live there's a great option.
However, are there any masseuses that do any work out of their house? If so, please send info as I am interested. I enjoy everyone's effort to put some information in the forum as it does give a little bit of insight for the newbies to site in the area. There seem to be a lot of sketchy service providers in the area, and I am reluctant to indulge in any of their services. Even though Kristin in Bridgeport was okay, a little bit sketchy of a hotel. Any advice or referrals are much appreciated.
Pay two bills for the whole experience, which is not bad. A little bit higher than I'm used to in Texas. Please keep up the great conversation.Sorry make a mistake, after she completed rimming me for awhile I tried to DATY and she would not allow it. Wanted to set the record straight.
Has anyone met with the following? I'm curious, I wanted to check to see if anybody else's had any encounters these ladies?
Barbie?
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/black_caribbean/ready-now-satisfaction-guarant/962911808186
Or Stacey?
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/sensual-body-massage/146488182077
Has anyone met with the following? I'm curious, I wanted to check to see if anybody else's had any encounters these ladies?
Barbie?
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/black_caribbean/ready-now-satisfaction-guarant/962911808186
Or Stacey?
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/sensual-body-massage/146488182077I got a couple of massages from the first one "Barbie" last year. The first time was great, full service anything goes, not much massaging and the location was decent. The second time, the location changed and it was in the basement of a house and it was private but we could hear kids running around and making a fuss and that pretty much put a damper on it for me, but she again was willing to accommodate my request but the distractions of people outside the room killed the mood for me. Rates were good and I would repeat. The pics are accurate and she is friendly.
Stacey, I have no idea. Be safe.
CarpetMunchr69
05-23-20, 10:19
I called and told them I could be there in 20-30 minutes. She seemed surprised and was kinda "well. Ok".
This lady with the super long nipples is not only in need of $$$ but she needed some dick. I had her give me a table shower and then had me lay down on my stomach, she tried being sexy kissing my back and neck but I just had her flip to the bottom and I went to town on her kitty, sucking and licking away for nearly 10 minutes. That transitioned to mish for a bit and then we switched positions as she was loving it and in no hurry for me to finish. We swapped position and she sucked away on my dick and some balls sucking action and then hopped on until I came. That followed up with a 20 minute massage. I told her I would be back next week, but I'm hoping for other places to open but if things are closed longer than anticipated, I will have to go back.
I called and told them I could be there in 20-30 minutes. She seemed surprised and was kinda "well. Ok".
This lady with the super long nipples is not only in need of $$$ but she needed some dick. I had her give me a table shower and then had me lay down on my stomach, she tried being sexy kissing my back and neck but I just had her flip to the bottom and I went to town on her kitty, sucking and licking away for nearly 10 minutes. That transitioned to mish for a bit and then we switched positions as she was loving it and in no hurry for me to finish. We swapped position and she sucked away on my dick and some balls sucking action and then hopped on until I came. That followed up with a 20 minute massage. I told her I would be back next week, but I'm hoping for other places to open but if things are closed longer than anticipated, I will have to go back.What was the damage and total length of time you spent there if you don't mind me asking? I am thinking of scheduling an appointment, but want to make sure it is worth my while. It would be an hour drive for me minimum. Thanks.
CarpetMunchr69
05-25-20, 09:46
What was the damage and total length of time you spent there if you don't mind me asking? I am thinking of scheduling an appointment, but want to make sure it is worth my while. It would be an hour drive for me minimum. Thanks.Its worth your while. I live in auburn hills and I drove up to Saginaw for it. The appt was pretty close to an hour.
AsianLoverr
06-16-20, 14:45
Any updated reports on Sunrise lately since the lockdown is letting up? Looking to take a trip soon to relieve some stress over the last few months, and I haven't been since January.
Any updated reports on Sunrise lately since the lockdown is letting up? Looking to take a trip soon to relieve some stress over the last few months, and I haven't been since January.It is open and Lilly was suppose to be back this week. Never met her before but I heard she is nice.
Any updated reports on Sunrise lately since the lockdown is letting up? Looking to take a trip soon to relieve some stress over the last few months, and I haven't been since JanuaryHey, brother. I went in there about a week and a half ago. I had a great time with Tina. She told me there was going to be a new young girl starting after the 15th when they were going to open back up. Just FYI, if you go with Tina I suggest DATY and stroke the G-spot. She really seem to like that. Anyway, have a good time. Be careful on the road.
AsianLoverr
06-17-20, 23:37
Hey, brother. I went in there about a week and a half ago. I had a great time with Tina. She told me there was going to be a new young girl starting after the 15th when they were going to open back up. Just FYI, if you go with Tina I suggest DATY and stroke the G-spot. She really seem to like that. Anyway, have a good time. Be careful on the road.Thanks man. I've never actually done DATY at an AMP before. Always wanted to get a squirter or a shaker though. I've had Tina a couple times already and she's fun to throw around. Both times she told me she needed a break because I went too hard from the back. She's one of few providers I've had who could take it nice and hard. I need to get back and see her.
Little hint with Tina. Suck on her rock hard nipples. She loves those things played with and licked.
I was going to take one for the team and give Euclid a shot again and about 9 pm I called Euclid and asked how late they're open and I was told they're open till 1 am. So then I asked how many masseuses were working and was told they have two working. So about 10:30 I decided to go there but when I drove to the back there was two trucks already parked and I was not going to wait around so went to the bar instead. Even though I never made it in, I now learned it's now open and hour later and they have two girls working I hope this helps.
DirtyOne313
06-30-20, 16:01
Does anyone know of any providers that have a Milking Table? I have been looking for a while now and I ask this question from time to time.
Nuwisha304
07-06-20, 20:53
Anyone been to Green spa lately heading up north next weekend and was debating on stopping.
I went down to Sunrise and saw Tina on Sunday. Newsflash: she told me she'll be going on vacation until the beginning of next month and that two new "beautiful" girls would be starting. When she gets back from vacation she won't be working anymore, she'll be the manager. That's great for her, she's a nice girl. Too bad for us though, she's a nice girl. Just thought you all would want to know.
Hey guys, went to Euclid tonight. 2 girls working but I think only 1 of them was "working". When I walked in, the older of the 2, probably 60+ but its hard to tell, took me quickly to a room and asked me how long I wanted and I just said 30 minutes. Asked if I wanted a shower and I said yes, once that was done I was ushered back to the room and the other girl came to help me. Probably 40+ fake breasts, said her name was Gina. Started with the massage and began to play with my ass, then asked me if I wanted FS and I said yes. CBJ to mish off the side of the table and finished in DS. It was pretty good, 1 tip if you see Gina is to be gentle, extremely gentle with everything. I am not rough by any means and she told me she would have to teach me to be gentle LOL. It was. 4 for the hhr and then 1. 6 for the FS. Hopefully this review is OK, it's my first one. Feel free to PM me with questions, stay safe out there.
Member #6481
07-18-20, 06:26
Seldom make it to Saginaw but was there Wednesday for work. Went to Sunrise hoping for Tina based on reviews but she isn't there anymore. Drew Sunny instead. Said it was her first day there. Cute enough Korean, mid thirties. Very nice body! One of the best AMP bodies I've seen in awhile!
Didn't have the playful shenanigans that it sounds like Tina had. Maybe because it was a first visit. Average table shower with nothing fun going on. Surprisingly good, strong massage. One of the better I've had from an AMP. Some teasing too. Negotiations led to her shedding her mini dress. OMG, she has a killer body. Great ass and legs, my go-to's. Decent top, not huge, not small. About perfect for me.
Went right for the cover with no foreplay which disappointed. Did mish and prone bone. Fake noises, asked twice if I was done. Seemed eager to get it over with.
Great body but one of the lamest performances. Won't repeat. $. 5 all in.
CuteGolfGuy
07-20-20, 12:37
Just left sunrise after seeing Cherry. As soon as I told her I had seen Lily and Tina previously after walking in the door, she grabbed me by the hand and said you'll like me more. Absolutely incredible body and personality. I literally thought she was going to jump on top of me while giving me a table wash. Back rub was really good and when I flipped over she snuggled up with me and let me rub her back for a bit and then she rode me like I haven't been riden before.
She is also from Korea, probably early 30's. Very nice legs and ass. Tits are about perfect.
Just left sunrise after seeing Cherry. As soon as I told her I had seen Lily and Tina previously after walking in the door, she grabbed me by the hand and said you'll like me more. Absolutely incredible body and personality. I literally thought she was going to jump on top of me while giving me a table wash. Back rub was really good and when I flipped over she snuggled up with me and let me rub her back for a bit and then she rode me like I haven't been riden before.
She is also from Korea, probably early 30's. Very nice legs and ass. Tits are about perfect.Alright, I think a visit this week is on schedule. Had been waiting for Tina to get back but after hearing she's retiring I was bummed out. The report on Cherry is intriguing.
Just left sunrise after seeing Cherry. As soon as I told her I had seen Lily and Tina previously after walking in the door, she grabbed me by the hand and said you'll like me more. Absolutely incredible body and personality. I literally thought she was going to jump on top of me while giving me a table wash. Back rub was really good and when I flipped over she snuggled up with me and let me rub her back for a bit and then she rode me like I haven't been riden before.
She is also from Korea, probably early 30's. Very nice legs and ass. Tits are about perfect.Wow. Thank you for the update. I have to ask, these perfect tits. Are they big?? As big as Lily's? And what was damage?
Hope you don't mind sharing but how much was your visit with cherry? I plan on going up that way in the next couple of days and don't want to be unprepared.
Just left sunrise after seeing Cherry. As soon as I told her I had seen Lily and Tina previously after walking in the door, she grabbed me by the hand and said you'll like me more. Absolutely incredible body and personality. I literally thought she was going to jump on top of me while giving me a table wash. Back rub was really good and when I flipped over she snuggled up with me and let me rub her back for a bit and then she rode me like I haven't been riden before.
She is also from Korea, probably early 30's. Very nice legs and ass. Tits are about perfect.
CuteGolfGuy
07-23-20, 07:13
Wow. Thank you for the update. I have to ask, these perfect tits. Are they big?? As big as Lily's? And what was damage?Tits were about the same size as Lily's. Very firm!! Total was 160.
Tits were about the same size as Lily's. Very firm!! Total was 160.But Cherry's tits are "bolt one" and it's pretty obvious.
SuperFlorida
07-24-20, 23:01
But Cherry's tits are "bolt one" and it's pretty obvious.Thinking about asking for the 2 girl special. Anyone indulge?
Good morning, gentlemen. So I stepped out of my comfort zone and went to Euclid Health Spa in BC last night. Just an aside, but that neighborhood is WAY less creepy during the day. And opted for a half-hour with a shower plus FS. It ran me 0:6 for the shower and 1.4 for the rest. I'll say upfront that I am an old man, and little MK doesn't function as well as he used to, So I probably wasted my money on the FS, although Jeanie (SP?) was very nice and went out of her way to be accommodating. The shower, however. Holy Sh* Lee, the old lady (who is very, very friendly and funny, by the way) gave me the greatest shower I've ever had in my life! She used a scrubbing pad, was very attentive to the boys and was just really, really nice to be around. I may go back just for the shower. As a matter fact I might Start going by before work, just for the shower. Jeanie, Although really nice and energetic, does look a little the worse for wear. But she gave me a serious massage afterwards. I was there long past 30 minutes.
That's my two cents. Stay safe.
http://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/michelles-massage-and-wellness/195995669609
JoeDaddy4269
07-28-20, 19:07
http://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/michelles-massage-and-wellness/195995669609I haven't personally seen her but mostly positive reviews but strictly HE only. Good massage from what I've seen.
I went back to Sunrise after a long couple year break. I got Cherry and all the previous reviews are correct. She has an amazing body. Table shower was great. Massage started with my back. The other girl (Sunny)? Came in and Cherry said "You like 4 hands? I said 'Oh yea'. I got a 4 hand backside massage for a good while. It was wonderful. Flipped to the front, made the 2nd deal. Cherry is very cool. Did what I asked and she had fun. She asked if I wanted 2 girls. I said I only budgeted for 1 but next time. CBJ only, but it was so good I almost lost it. She jumped on CG just in time. I highly recommend. . 6 and 1. 4.
BayCityGuy
08-04-20, 18:20
Can anyone throw me one? Looking for an utr or good massage anywhere in the Tri-City area that's not an MP.
I went back to Sunrise after a long couple year break. I got Cherry and all the previous reviews are correct. She has an amazing body. Table shower was great. Massage started with my back. The other girl (Sunny)? Came in and Cherry said "You like 4 hands? I said 'Oh yea'. I got a 4 hand backside massage for a good while. It was wonderful. Flipped to the front, made the 2nd deal. Cherry is very cool. Did what I asked and she had fun. She asked if I wanted 2 girls. I said I only budgeted for 1 but next time. CBJ only, but it was so good I almost lost it. She jumped on CG just in time. I highly recommend. . 6 and 1. 4.Great post, thanks!
Great post, thanks!
I went back to Sunrise after a long couple year break. I got Cherry and all the previous reviews are correct. She has an amazing body. Table shower was great. Massage started with my back. The other girl (Sunny)? Came in and Cherry said "You like 4 hands? I said 'Oh yea'. I got a 4 hand backside massage for a good while. It was wonderful. Flipped to the front, made the 2nd deal. Cherry is very cool. Did what I asked and she had fun. She asked if I wanted 2 girls. I said I only budgeted for 1 but next time. CBJ only, but it was so good I almost lost it. She jumped on CG just in time. I highly recommend. . 6 and 1. 4.Great post, thanks!
Great post, thanks!
JarHead4000
08-06-20, 16:25
Looking for advice for a first timer, I have no idea how much it costs, how much to tip or how to ask for anything special. Any info is appreciated, thanks.
Benjamin99
08-07-20, 08:01
JarHead,
Right under your post there is a review that includes prices. A few more posts on the same page list prices. Just read the forum you will find what you are looking for. I'm not a massage guy, but this is what I know: there is a door fee that you pay for HH or one hour and is not negotiable. And there is a tip you negotiate with the maseuze. The price varies, just don't take with you more than you are willing to spend, they will try to upsell. Don't be shy or she will think you are LEO. For example you can remove the towel that covers your bottom, that would be a clear message.
Or try some roaming. After the flip when she is asking what you want you can say "everything" or point toward your "problem".
Welcome to the hobby.
Ben.
Looking for advice for a first timer, I have no idea how much it costs, how much to tip or how to ask for anything special. Any info is appreciated, thanks.
Hobby Cat 55
08-12-20, 10:15
Good visit with Cherry this AM. Korean lady, probably early 30's. Very nice legs and ass (a little belly but hey I've go a bigger one). Great personality. Will do BB for more 60 more but not for me. Total all in was $180, paid up front and no questions were asked. Good playful TS, Decent 15 minute rub then flip, some BBBJ then cover. After about 10 min she'd say you cum? Nope, don't rush me. Then 3-5 minutes, you cum. Nope, and every time you ask me it'll take me allot longer. She quit asking, LOL. Fun and can take a polite-pounding. Another lady came out and grabbed my sack before I left but wasn't that attractive, butter face, and was older. I'd repeat and probably will later this week with the Cherry. Just saying, HC.
LostInDetroit
08-16-20, 20:54
What's going on gents? New to this board (spending more of my time on the Detroit board as I'm from that area). I am going to be visiting the Saginaw area in the next few days for business and I'm looking to get into a little fun prior to working for the day. I scanned the thread and saw that Sunrise keeps coming up as being one of the best to check out. Are there any other options out there? Not necessarily looking for FS, but also not opposed to it either. Can anyone on here offer me some suggestions? PM is totally fine as well.
BoRegardHer
08-16-20, 21:52
What's going on gents? New to this board (spending more of my time on the Detroit board as I'm from that area). I am going to be visiting the Saginaw area in the next few days for business and I'm looking to get into a little fun prior to working for the day. I scanned the thread and saw that Sunrise keeps coming up as being one of the best to check out. Are there any other options out there? Not necessarily looking for FS, but also not opposed to it either. Can anyone on here offer me some suggestions? PM is totally fine as well.I don't frequent the AMP's much, but the only one that's really been consistently talked about lately is sunrise. There are others in bay city, kawkawlin spa, green spa (both across the road from each other) and great lakes and euclid spas (both on euclid), but no real recent words on those places. Not sure what else, if anything, is available in saginaw. Seems sunrise is the only one with good game lately. My last visit resulted in Sunny, not Cherry and it was still decent, but nothing to write home about. Hoping to try again sometime soon and hopefully I'll roll Cherry.
Went to sunrise hoping for cherry but got sunny. I don't think she is very attractive and service was subpar. Much worse experience than Tina. I did get full service and blowjob all covered but felt rushed was in and out in less than half an hour. I won't be back for awhile until they get something better.
Well couldn't make connection with a few recommendations given to me for some ladies in Bay City & Saginaw. So I went to Sunshine massage and like previous post had sunny. Very disappointed very sloppy and felt uncomfortable with her session. In the end I told the manager won't be back due to poor quality. Avoid Sunny at all cost.
RhythmThird
08-27-20, 10:37
Zen sports massage has some new ads posted on different websites claiming new mgmt. And staff. Anyone been there?
So I was ghosted by Lana in Mt Pleasant last night after driving an hour and a half so I took a chance driving over to try out Kawkawlin Spa. It was an older woman working definitely over 40, she was very petite somewhat attractive. She asked me how long and I said a half hour which was $40. Started massage and after about 15 minutes asked me to turn over and pointed downstairs. I said sure and she quoted me the price, I had only brought enough money for a half hour with Lana. I told her how much I had left and she said ok, next time bring more money. She proceeded to a CBJ which was ok, that went on for about 5 minutes and she pulled the cover off and started with a HJ until I finished. I don't know if I should list prices on here but if you PM me I can tell you what the total was. I was short about $30 based on what she wanted but it was still a decent amount of money. Enough for FS for a half hour with a regular provider. Suffice to say I was very disappointed and I will not be going back.
AsianLoverr
08-31-20, 09:41
Took another trip to Sunrise. I used to see Tina here quite a bit, but I wanted to see the new Cherry. I came in and told her that I used to see Tina while I grabbed her ass, and she smiled and winked at me. She did a good TS and used a hand towel to make sure that I was thoroughly dry everywhere. We got back to the room, and I handed her the tip while I told her that I wanted to have some fun first. She came back to the room and dimmed the lights. I sat on the edge of the table waiting for her and pulled the top of her dress down to see her big titties. I played and sucked on them for a bit while I felt her shapely ass then pulled back so she could get on her knees. She dropped down and sucked my balls and licked the main up and down like a lollipop before using the mouth skills to put the cover on. I guided her head down firmly to see how far down she could go until she gagged a bit then she came up with a smile. I had her climb on top of me so I could see those things bounce and she did a great job riding and taking the pounding after I grabbed her hips. She seemed to enjoy that and came a bit. I grabbed her ass and picked her to flip her on her back. She pulled her legs back to her head and let me pound her hard and deep. She can take quite a pounding. After a bit I told her to flip and seen her amazing ass bounce off of me. She loved getting spanked as I drove into her. I pounded away hard until I finished. She cleaned me up and then asked if I still wanted a massage. I let her rub me down for a bit then got dressed. I have her a good hug and another ass smack before I told her I would come back soon.
Paid for an hour plus a rose for the whole deal.
CantCount05
09-03-20, 20:31
Zen sports massage has some new ads posted on different websites claiming new mgmt. And staff. Anyone been there?I stopped in for a dream and received a nightmare! Complete waste of time masseuse came in and rubbed my back for 10 seconds and then said turn over I turned over and she demanded an extremely high tip and I said "no way" She didn't want to negotiate so I said fine just a massage! She had a decent thin body wearing a short skirt but extremely rushed with no massage or tease I won't be back!
Bun Hunter
09-03-20, 22:32
Good visit with Cherry this AM. Korean lady, probably early 30's. Very nice legs and ass (a little belly but hey I've go a bigger one). Great personality. Will do BB for more 60 more but not for me. Total all in was $180, paid up front and no questions were asked. Good playful TS, Decent 15 minute rub then flip, some BBBJ then cover. After about 10 min she'd say you cum? Nope, don't rush me. Then 3-5 minutes, you cum. Nope, and every time you ask me it'll take me allot longer. She quit asking, LOL. Fun and can take a polite-pounding. Another lady came out and grabbed my sack before I left but wasn't that attractive, butter face, and was older. I'd repeat and probably will later this week with the Cherry. Just saying, HCDecided to try an AMP today, tried to get a hold of my go to gals but no one was available. Went to Sunrise and saw Cherry. She is everything that everyone else has posted. The only downfall, just like she asked Hobby Cat every 5 minutes she would ask " you cum". That definitely is a turn off, other than that good time for sure.
I went to sunrise the other day and they asked my age and I said that I was 18. They then told me that I needed to be 21 to enter. Is this true or did I not look like I was will to spend?
ColdShowers69
09-17-20, 12:18
I have never been to a massage parlor. How does it work? What is the best one to go? Does it always end with a happy ending (sex)?
Hobby Cat 55
09-17-20, 17:34
I have never been to a massage parlor. How does it work? What is the best one to go? Does it always end with a happy ending (sex)?Allot of good info on this site regarding this subject under the Forum Tab and others tips: http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2291-AMP-Tips-and-Guidelines . Read and report back, HC.
BigBootyFan
09-18-20, 20:24
Has anyone seen this black lady. Rosetta?
https://saginaw.craigslist.org/bts/d/saginaw-the-braid-shop-massage-therapy/7185513528.html
BayCityGuy
09-19-20, 14:36
Has anyone seen this black lady. Rosetta?
https://saginaw.craigslist.org/bts/d/saginaw-the-braid-shop-massage-therapy/7185513528.htmlSaw her years ago. Starts out good. She has you strip down in front of her. Thats it. No extras or even teasing to be had. Not worth it at all. Others have said the same.
Was finally able to stop in a few days ago, lucked out and got Cherry, she is a lot of fun as others have stated, will be back to see her again asap.
Stay safe, have fun.
Was finally able to stop in a few days ago, lucked out and got Cherry, she is a lot of fun as others have stated, will be back to see her again asap.
Stay safe, have fun.I was there last Thursday and had a great time with Cherry as well.
Great Lakes is advertising pretty heavily on STG, anyone been there recently?
Jack Pine Savag
09-21-20, 18:00
[QUOTE=BayCityGuy;4985151]Saw her years ago. Starts out good. She has you strip down in front of her. Thats it. No extras or even teasing to be had. Not worth it at all. Others have said the same.[/QUOTEhttp://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/black_caribbean/quality-massage/839482004174
She wants $75 hhr and $100 hr.
And she said that there are no extras. Last time I was there she wanted to see my I'd. Same games.
TheunoAndOnly
09-23-20, 16:56
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/black_caribbean/quality-massage/839482004174
I'm well aware she's not into doing extra but are her massages good anyways? Wouldn't mind seeing her just for that.
Jack Pine Savag
09-24-20, 07:48
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/massage/black_caribbean/quality-massage/839482004174[/URL]
I'm well aware she's not into doing extra but are her massages good anyways? Wouldn't mind seeing her just for that.Not for 100 hr.
TheBigDog890
09-28-20, 01:02
Stopped by Euclid, wish I hadn't. I am not much into 50+ year old masseuses. I asked if there was another girl available possibly younger and was told no. I opted for just the massage and turned down the offer for extras. She asked me "you don't like my pussy". Taken back for a second, I just said not into it today and got up and dressed and left. At least I only left 40 lighter.
Be safe.
Bigdog.
MaxMagnums
10-04-20, 14:04
Anyone been to Green spa or Kawkawlin Spa lately?
Great Lakes is advertising pretty heavily on STG, anyone been there recently?I hit Great Lakes in Bay City the other night, I had a pretty good time. I saw Gina, who had been here about two days at the time. She's kind of cute, about 40, nice little spinner body. I dropped 60 on a massage and another 120 on extras for an hour. BJ, DATY, Mish. . Nice, tight and responsive. She was also very pleasant. All-in-all, I will repeat.
So I made the drive up to luckys from lansing on the 6th. I called about 45 minutes ahead and asked for cherry. When I got there I was greater by a shorter late 30's maybe early 40's lady wearing a blue dress with smaller tits definitely didn't look like bolt on like I've been reading about. There was another lady on the couch under a few blanks who didn't say much. When I asked for 🍒 the lady in blue took me back to the room. Got the table shower and massage. Shower was alright never had one before so worth it just to cross it off the list. After the shower she got to work on the extras before the massage. Didn't want her tits sucked which was a let down. Then there was the message, probably the best part of the experience just wish the other parts were as good. My question is has anyone else had them bait and switch the girls? I felt like with the descriptions I had read that she would have had bigger breasts and look much different then what I got.
Jack Pine Savag
10-09-20, 19:49
So I made the drive up to luckys from lansing on the 6th. I called about 45 minutes ahead and asked for cherry. When I got there I was greater by a shorter late 30's maybe early 40's lady wearing a blue dress with smaller tits definitely didn't look like bolt on like I've been reading about. There was another lady on the couch under a few blanks who didn't say much. When I asked for the lady in blue took me back to the room. Got the table shower and massage. Shower was alright never had one before so worth it just to cross it off the list. After the shower she got to work on the extras before the massage. Didn't want her tits sucked which was a let down. Then there was the message, probably the best part of the experience just wish the other parts were as good. My question is has anyone else had them bait and switch the girls? I felt like with the descriptions I had read that she would have had bigger breasts and look much different then what I gotSo where is Luckys in Saginaw.
So where is Luckys in Saginaw.From his description, I think he confused Sunrise with some other place.
From his description, I think he confused Sunrise with some other place.🤦127998;8205;9794;65039; I meant sunrise, must have had luckys on my brain.
So where is Luckys in Saginaw.I meant sunrise, I was trying to decide between going to sunrisen or lucky's in Jackson that day.
CuteGolfGuy
11-16-20, 15:08
So I called Sunrise today and was told that they have a new girl there. 28 years old. Name is Ruby. I thought that she was working so I stopped in. Only Tina was there! Told me that Ruby likes to spend her time mainly at the casino! Sounds like she may be available later at night on most days.
Anyone ever seen this Ruby?
CGG.
Is that the Tina that was there before.
CuteGolfGuy
11-17-20, 15:14
Was finally able to stop in a few days ago, lucked out and got Cherry, she is a lot of fun as others have stated, will be back to see her again asap.
Stay safe, have fun.I have only ever seen Lily and Cherry there, so I don't know what Tina looks like.
I have only ever seen Lily and Cherry there, so I don't know what Tina looks like.Older person with rock solid pencil eraser nipples.
IronMonger88
12-07-20, 03:35
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/exotic/nurumassageplusmoreindependant/244692686236
Has anyone here seen her before? Looking for any information, things look nice up front (her pics), but would like some more intel to make sure it is not just a few pictures cobbled together leading to a bad experience or waste of time.
DM's or replies are cool.
Best of luck out there.
FarmerPete
12-07-20, 10:42
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/exotic/nurumassageplusmoreindependant/244692686236
Has anyone here seen her before? Looking for any information, things look nice up front (her pics), but would like some more intel to make sure it is not just a few pictures cobbled together leading to a bad experience or waste of time.
DM's or replies are cool.
Best of luck out there.The pictures are Katie Banks. LOL.
https://saginaw.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/exotic/nurumassageplusmoreindependant/244692686236
Has anyone here seen her before? Looking for any information, things look nice up front (her pics), but would like some more intel to make sure it is not just a few pictures cobbled together leading to a bad experience or waste of time.
DM's or replies are cool.
Best of luck out there.My spidey sense says FAKE.
IronMonger88
12-07-20, 16:24
The pictures are Katie Banks. LOL.I figured it was too good to be true. The email for location thing and stock looking photos of a spa made me hmmm. Guess I was hopeful (them melons). Will start doing reverse image searches in the future.
If anyone knows of a place go to where I can find a girl like that (does not have to be Katie Banks LOL), I would appreciate the intel.
Many thanks to all the quick replies. Experience is king.
Best of luck out there.
My spidey sense says FAKE.I have met up with her before quite a while back. She is real and I will repeat someday.
Went to sr recently. Tina is working alone at the moment. She says new girls are on the way but I enjoy Tina either way. She's small, cute, and her nipples have to be an inch and a half long. Table shower, and a nice ass rimming before a blow complete with taint and ball suck. I notice if I keep the hair shaved off all of the above she definitely does a better job at it. She rode me til I busted, cleaned me up and sent me on my way with a can of coke. She is always my go to, and treats me right. I throw her. 16 every time no questions asked and I never leave unsatisfied. Highly recommended. Treat her good guys. She is a professional.
Love The Lips
01-11-21, 22:50
Saw Michelle for a $75 hh up in Clare a few days ago. She always gives an above average LMT level massage and finished with a nice HE. Minimal otc roaming is allowed. Recommend seeing her if you travel northward.
Saw Michelle for a $75 hh up in Clare a few days ago. She always gives an above average LMT level massage and finished with a nice HE. Minimal otc roaming is allowed. Recommend seeing her if you travel northward.I seen her and got the impression that she didn't allow anything she kept talking about her husband can you pm me what sh allows.
Went to sr recently. Tina is working alone at the moment. She says new girls are on the way but I enjoy Tina either way. She's small, cute, and her nipples have to be an inch and a half long. Table shower, and a nice ass rimming before a blow complete with taint and ball suck. I notice if I keep the hair shaved off all of the above she definitely does a better job at it. She rode me til I busted, cleaned me up and sent me on my way with a can of coke. She is always my go to, and treats me right. I throw her. 16 every time no questions asked and I never leave unsatisfied. Highly recommended. Treat her good guys. She is a professional.She's back? I thought she was gone for good? Also, what happened to the girls that came after she left? Cherry, sunny and etc.
She's back? I thought she was gone for good? Also, what happened to the girls that came after she left? Cherry, sunny and etc.Yes, she's back and all the previous girls that was there are gone, only Tina there now. She mentioned two new friends will arrive this month, so give us an update if you go.
LuckilyLost29
02-07-21, 14:44
I am wondering if she is the same michelle that was roman hands massage 5 or 6 years ago. I haven't got the chance to see the provider from this post yet unless it's the same girl. They look similar. Now I am back living in clare county I will be a regular LOL. The fact she talked about her husband so much make me think it could be her. On our 4th or 5th session she offered me 50% off if her husband could watch. Long story short, I arrived and we went straight to the bedroom. Spent the whole day using her. Her husband would just come look in the door now and then, didn't really even notice. If it's the same girl we have a hidden gem here in central michigan.
Love The Lips
02-07-21, 14:56
I am wondering if she is the same michelle that was roman hands massage 5 or 6 years ago. I haven't got the chance to see the provider from this post yet unless it's the same girl. They look similar. Now I am back living in clare county I will be a regular LOL. The fact she talked about her husband so much make me think it could be her. On our 4th or 5th session she offered me 50% off if her husband could watch. Long story short, I arrived and we went straight to the bedroom. Spent the whole day using her. Her husband would just come look in the door now and then, didn't really even notice. If it's the same girl we have a hidden gem here in central michigan.This Michelle use to do massage in St. Louis, MI and then moved to Breckenridge then to Bay City and now Clare.
I am wondering if she is the same michelle that was roman hands massage 5 or 6 years ago. I haven't got the chance to see the provider from this post yet unless it's the same girl. They look similar. Now I am back living in clare county I will be a regular LOL. The fact she talked about her husband so much make me think it could be her. On our 4th or 5th session she offered me 50% off if her husband could watch. Long story short, I arrived and we went straight to the bedroom. Spent the whole day using her. Her husband would just come look in the door now and then, didn't really even notice. If it's the same girl we have a hidden gem here in central michigan.I would be up for that.
Anyone hit up the Zen In Saginaw. I love Sunrise just never gone to zen.
BayCityGuy
02-25-21, 13:18
I am wondering if she is the same michelle that was roman hands massage 5 or 6 years ago. I haven't got the chance to see the provider from this post yet unless it's the same girl. They look similar. Now I am back living in clare county I will be a regular LOL. The fact she talked about her husband so much make me think it could be her. On our 4th or 5th session she offered me 50% off if her husband could watch. Long story short, I arrived and we went straight to the bedroom. Spent the whole day using her. Her husband would just come look in the door now and then, didn't really even notice. If it's the same girl we have a hidden gem here in central michigan.I miss the Roman Hands Michelle. She even had a business card. Anyome know what happened to her?
BushWack77
02-25-21, 15:55
Anyone hit up the Zen In Saginaw. I love Sunrise just never gone to zen.Was there today. Everything available with a petite lady wearing mask. Typical pricing.
I miss the Roman Hands Michelle. She even had a business card. Anyome know what happened to her?Hey, I went up to Clare for 60 minute table session with Michelle. Great massage, w / Pr. Mass / HE. She was really nice, I didn't find her to be mechanical at all. You're right, no touching or extras beyond the HE. But no upcharge and a generally pleasant experience, especially considering all the flakes out there. I will def repeat, prob as a regular.
BayCityGuy
02-28-21, 12:05
Has anyone given these two a try? Under Saginaw CL resumes they say they give a dual massage. Wondered if anyone has partaken.
Jack Pine Savag
03-01-21, 07:37
Has anyone given these two a try? Under Saginaw CL resumes they say they give a dual massage. Wondered if anyone has partaken.Didn't find anything so do you have a link.
Didn't find anything so do you have a link.I believe this is the link.
https://saginaw.craigslist.org/res/d/girls/7279223080.html
Jack Pine Savag
03-02-21, 08:32
I believe this is the link.
https://saginaw.craigslist.org/res/d/girls/7279223080.htmlUnless someone else has info this ad just screams scam alert.
Unless someone else has info this ad just screams scam alert.I agree with you.
Nuwisha304
03-02-21, 23:26
Anybody been to Sunrise lately is still just Tina working.
BeerGuy3800
03-02-21, 23:34
Went to see Tina at Sunrise. Had to see if those nipple descriptions were true. They are. Haha. All good.
Member #6852
03-03-21, 09:48
Hey, I went up to Clare for 60 minute table session with Michelle. Great massage, w / Pr. Mass / HE. She was really nice, I didn't find her to be mechanical at all. You're right, no touching or extras beyond the HE. But no upcharge and a generally pleasant experience, especially considering all the flakes out there. I will def repeat, prob as a regular.I saw Michelle in Clare a couple weeks ago also, honestly great massage, and she finished it off with a happy ending. I kinda wish she would let hands roam a bit more, but I honestly cannot complain because the actual massage was great, and she's fantastic with her hands towards the end.
Stopped by Sunrise to see Tina, as advertised for sure.
No fuss, no muss. Asked if I had been there before, told her yes. She asked what I was looking for, I gave her the recommended $$ amount and we were off to the races.
Will be going back soon.
Daze.
Went and seen Tina Saturday. Nice table shower and ass rimming as usual. While she was rubbing her titties in my face I tried to stick a finger in her butt & she said "no asshole not make me happy" I was just trying something different. I had her finish me with a HJ. And afterwards she told me new girls are starting a few weeks. I guess Cherry will be back and a new one. I told her she better train there girls right. I love the BJ rimjob combo she gives. Worth it to me.
Went to Euclid Tuesday and met a tiny what looked to be late 30's lady at the door. Took me to the backroom and told me to undress. She took me to the table shower and back to the room for a massage about 10 minutes in she asked do you want playtime? And I said yes she told me $ so I gave it to her. She rode me like a champ. Looks a solid 7 big bolt on's good size nipples she was diffidently under 5 foot when finished I asked how long she was going to be here and she told me not long she was filling in.
Love The Lips
03-05-21, 10:16
Went to Euclid Tuesday and met a tiny what looked to be late 30's lady at the door. Took me to the backroom and told me to undress. She took me to the table shower and back to the room for a massage about 10 minutes in she asked do you want playtime? And I said yes she told me $ so I gave it to her. She rode me like a champ. Looks a solid 7 big bolt on's good size nipples she was diffidently under 5 foot when finished I asked how long she was going to be here and she told me not long she was filling in.Any BBBJ at all?
Any BBBJ at all?Yes she did.
Nuwisha304
03-20-21, 00:41
Went to sunrise saw Tina nice time as usual she said new girls start Sunday.
I went to sunrise the other day to check out the new girls she said her name was cherry nice looking 40 ish decent body natural tits covered BJ, FS, took a good doggy pounding.
Nice enough would repeat.
Questar999
03-25-21, 11:43
I went to sunrise the other day to check out the new girls she said her name was cherry nice looking 40 ish decent body natural tits covered BJ, FS, took a good doggy pounding.
Nice enough would repeat.There has been a "Cherry" there in the past. I'm wondering is it the same girl?
There has been a "Cherry" there in the past. I'm wondering is it the same girl?
I don't think so that one had bolt ons this one didn't but I could be wrong.
I don't think so that one had bolt ons this one didn't but I could be wrong.Tina told me it was the original Cherry that is returning. She had naturals. I like her but she doesn't go all the way like Tina does. She's kind of lazy. But adequate.
Bun Hunter
03-26-21, 18:24
Tina told me it was the original Cherry that is returning. She had naturals. I like her but she doesn't go all the way like Tina does. She's kind of lazy. But adequate.That's good news the original Cherry is coming back. I have always had a good time with her. She always seemed to really get into it every time I saw her. I saw her 4 times she went all the way every time. I think you just have to give her enough $.
MikeHancho989
03-27-21, 00:45
I was missing asian girls so decided to stop into sunrise, I've been to AMP's before so when tina asked if I been there I told her not that place. She asked if I wanted everything and did some thrusting motions which I'm not use to them being that up front about it. Usually it starts with a lazy massage until I grab their ass to show interest. Tina told me $$ we negotiated to 1. 4, went to the ts water was nice and warm, then back to the room, she had me lay face down then tried to suck a fart out of my ass, then flipped for covered BJ, her skills were great I almost finished even with the cover, she jumped on for a ride after a little while, I was only able to last 10 minutes before I popped. On the way out she introduced me to the new girl she looked younger with big naturals for an asian, I didn't get her name though.
LjGibbs1961
03-28-21, 14:03
I've grown tired of all the nonsense of the escorts, so I decided to try Zen Massage Therapy (1st to a parlor). I was met at the door by a beautiful little lady in a striking blue dress. Her name was Coco. She led me to the room stated a hour massage was a Grant. Half way in she asked me to roll over. Finished with a happy ending. As I did not know the structure I gave two Jacksons. She was open for more but limited funds stopped the negotiation. I will go back.
I've grown tired of all the nonsense of the escorts, so I decided to try Zen Massage Therapy (1st to a parlor). I was met at the door by a beautiful little lady in a striking blue dress. Her name was Coco. She led me to the room stated a hour massage was a Grant. Half way in she asked me to roll over. Finished with a happy ending. As I did not know the structure I gave two Jacksons. She was open for more but limited funds stopped the negotiation. I will go back.Two Jacksons, you should have gotten full service.
Love The Lips
03-28-21, 21:49
Two Jacksons, you should have gotten full service.Remember a Jackson is just a $20.
BayCityGuy
03-31-21, 19:45
Has anyone stopped into the new massage place advertising on stg on Bay Rd in Saginaw. Just wondered if its ligit only.
Has anyone stopped into the new massage place advertising on stg on Bay Rd in Saginaw. Just wondered if its ligit only.I went there today. Cute little late 30's Chinese girl. 65 for 1 hr. She wore a mask the whole time and asked me to put it on when I turned on my back. Great massage on my back for most of the session. About 10 minutes on my legs. Turned over. About 5 minutes on the front of my legs. She said that's it. I asked, no HE? She said "not here". On my way out she pointed at the tip sign. I said what's that? She said "I need tip" I gave her 20. I might have tried her again if not for demanding a tip at the end. Won't repeat.
Since this is my first trip to Michigan, allow me to say hello.
Gave Euclid Spa a shot. No nonsense. It's clear why you're there. . 6 at the door for a 1 hr massage. There was no massage. Offered FS for $. 6 and I told her I only had $. She did CBJ and planted herself on my face for a mustache ride. Definitely will return.
Since this is my first trip to Michigan, allow me to say hello.
Gave Euclid Spa a shot. No nonsense. It's clear why you're there. . 6 at the door for a 1 hr massage. There was no massage. Offered FS for $. 6 and I told her I only had $. She did CBJ and planted herself on my face for a mustache ride. Definitely will return.What did she look like?
What did she look like?Just an older skinny asian lady. Likely early to mid 50's.
DutchRudder
04-30-21, 18:21
Anything new to report on Sunrise? Thinking of making the trip soon, thanks.
Questar999
05-01-21, 13:36
Anything new to report on Sunrise? Thinking of making the trip soon, thanks.Went there this week. AM hours, there were 2 providers, one with short hair and another with about shoulder-length hair. Chose the longer-haired, after all, she is the one that answered the door. She was well endowed and that was a turn-on. Skipped the shower as I don't like to spend too much time in these places for obvious reasons. I started to massage her and dropped her clothes for her. Put her on the table and started to play with her tits and clit. Got moist and juicy. I pulled her legs further apart and got close to rub against her with my Johnson. She grabbed the condom and then as I got real close she said put it in her and come inside her (without a condom). I was dumbfounded. Thought about doing it as that is a big turn-on for me but I came to my senses and put the condom on. I drilled her as long as I could but came really fast as she got me all worked up. I was planning on a BJ and FS but FS but as it turned out I only got FS.
MaxMagnums
05-02-21, 07:49
Nice! About how old were the two working? Slim?
Went there this week. AM hours, there were 2 providers, one with short hair and another with about shoulder-length hair. Chose the longer-haired, after all, she is the one that answered the door. She was well endowed and that was a turn-on. Skipped the shower as I don't like to spend too much time in these places for obvious reasons. I started to massage her and dropped her clothes for her. Put her on the table and started to play with her tits and clit. Got moist and juicy. I pulled her legs further apart and got close to rub against her with my Johnson. She grabbed the condom and then as I got real close she said put it in her and come inside her (without a condom). I was dumbfounded. Thought about doing it as that is a big turn-on for me but I came to my senses and put the condom on. I drilled her as long as I could but came really fast as she got me all worked up. I was planning on a BJ and FS but FS but as it turned out I only got FS.
Questar999
05-02-21, 10:49
Nice! About how old were the two working? Slim?Definitely not overweight, not 18-year-old hardbodies but rather the middle-aged Asian physique we are used to seeing in the AMPs.
Nice! About how old were the two working? Slim?Correct me if I'm wrong, but short haired pettie one should be tina, and the other one should be cherry. Both are 40+ I believe, haven't been there since February.
BushWack77
05-25-21, 12:20
I went there today. Cute little late 30's Chinese girl. 65 for 1 hr. She wore a mask the whole time and asked me to put it on when I turned on my back. Great massage on my back for most of the session. About 10 minutes on my legs. Turned over. About 5 minutes on the front of my legs. She said that's it. I asked, no HE? She said "not here". On my way out she pointed at the tip sign. I said what's that? She said "I need tip" I gave her 20. I might have tried her again if not for demanding a tip at the end. Won't repeat.Stopped in there first thing this morning. Great massage and offered / received finish level 1 only. Standard prices. I've haven't contributed much here but have been in this game for a few years. YMMV good luck.
TwistedBrother
05-25-21, 16:40
Since this is my first trip to Michigan, allow me to say hello.
Gave Euclid Spa a shot. No nonsense. It's clear why you're there. . 6 at the door for a 1 hr massage. There was no massage. Offered FS for $. 6 and I told her I only had $. She did CBJ and planted herself on my face for a mustache ride. Definitely will return.I wonder if that's the same older chick who's been at Euclid for years and years. Penny, maybe? She was old when I went there more than 10 years ago. However, she was good and fun (lots of joking around), BB everything for me, and worth a trip back.
Edit: Looks like she retired a while back, right?
Jack Pine Savag
05-25-21, 18:45
I wonder if that's the same older chick who's been at Euclid for years and years. Penny, maybe? She was old when I went there more than 10 years ago. However, she was good and fun (lots of joking around), BB everything for me, and worth a trip back.
Edit: Looks like she retired a while back, right?Saw her several times back in the early 90's. Started in 1993 seeing her weekly.
Even spent the night with her several times.
She was very nice.
Member #6481
06-05-21, 05:56
Seldom get to Saginaw but was in the area last week. Decided to check out Sunrise for either Tina or Cherry. Pulled up, small older Asian women was working in a rather large garden behind the house. Figured it was mamasan. Rang the bell, a curvy Asian answered. It was Cherry. Decent body but not exactly beautiful. So I asked for Tina. Turns out she was the one in the garden. Heard Cherry open the door and holler something out. After a couple of minutes in comes the older lady from the garden, now in a dress. Still sweaty (it was that first warm spell last week). Also not one to win any beauty pageants. I built these two up in my mind after readings the posts and was disappointed.
Session was fine. Didn't care for her being a bit sweaty. That was a turnoff. Everything else was as expected. She does have the pointiest nips I've ever seen. Only upside is that she does toss your salad for a bit, which is great.
Won't repeat with either of these two.
DontPlayWell19
06-21-21, 14:18
Just hit it.
Huge nipples wow.
2 cums she blew me cum to quick and she wanted my cock.
Jumped on and she rode it until she squirts.
Not bad for the first time.
She called the older one in before I got off the table I thought it was going to bea 3 cum day.
Just hit it.
Huge nipples wow.
2 cums she blew me cum to quick and she wanted my cock.
Jumped on and she rode it until she squirts.
Not bad for the first time.
She called the older one in before I got off the table I thought it was going to bea 3 cum day.What was the damage.
I stopped by sunrise yesterday Tina was the only one working (the older lady) started with TS then went for massage another customer showed up got rushed no massage but CBJ and CFS was told to hurry damage sa $$ I don't know if I will repeat.
I stopped by sunrise yesterday Tina was the only one working (the older lady) started with TS then went for massage another customer showed up got rushed no massage but CBJ and CFS was told to hurry damage sa $$ I don't know if I will repeat.Stopped couple weeks ago. Was also rushed. CBJ. CFS cowgirl. Nice nips. Damage 1.8.
SpaceCadet12
07-11-21, 21:25
Does anyone have any new info on sun spa on Bay rd, previous reports say they don't even offer HE but I heard from else where that it's under new management and now offering lvl 1 HE.
Jack Pine Savag
07-13-21, 14:10
OK with the lack of talent in the area, what is the best place to get a massage and HE.
Euclid, great lks or kawkawlin spas.
Have not been to any of them in 25 yrs or more, but penny and I had a super relationship years ago.
70 yrs now and just looking for a massage and release.
Unless someone knows a lady looking to make a few bucks on the side.
Cbzunokagw
07-13-21, 20:09
Trying to figure out the difference between this forum and RM reviews regarding Sunrise. RM has no reviews for Cherry and Tina, who are well-discussed here. There is a recent RM review for a "Lily". Anyone with insights would be greatly appreciated; considering a trip that way.
Trying to figure out the difference between this forum and RM reviews regarding Sunrise. RM has no reviews for Cherry and Tina, who are well-discussed here. There is a recent RM review for a "Lily". Anyone with insights would be greatly appreciated; considering a trip that way.I've had all 3 and Lily was my ATF. She has since moved out of state. Which leaves Tina (the manager) and Cherry. Cheryl is a little younger not much. But she has a decent body and is nice. She likes her pussy licked and will suck and fuck. Tina has long ass nipples. I e never seen anything like it. She's skinnier and has to be pushing 50. But she will shower you, rub you down and rim the ass on the way to fuck or suck. Either one is okay. I mean I've been going there pretty steady for 3-4 years. It's usually 60 at the door and and extra. 1 for the works. They send you out with a soft drink and a smile. They've had some duds there believe me. But these girls are professional. I e had several 3 sums with them and others. I'm what they call good customer LOL.
Hobby Cat 55
07-14-21, 09:17
Kind of surprised Zen doesn't get more press on here. It's cleaner than Sunrise with same services and pricing. Penny was 40'ish, very petite, and fun. I'd probably go to Zen over Sunrise just because it's nicer facility and the rest is equal. Anyone else experience Zen Spa in Shields? Just saying, HC.
Trying to figure out the difference between this forum and RM reviews regarding Sunrise. RM has no reviews for Cherry and Tina, who are well-discussed here. There is a recent RM review for a "Lily". Anyone with insights would be greatly appreciated; considering a trip that way.I have not been there so I cannot say for certain but they are advertising on skip the games if that tells you anything.
I have not been there so I cannot say for certain but they are advertising on skip the games if that tells you anything.I tried Zen based on this thread. I was not impressed it is cleaner than sunrise I walked in and met a girl named Linda who was probably mid to late 50's. And not in the best shape. Table shower was very nice everything was very nice until we got down to the price sunrise is a lot cheaper and the service and experience a little better.
3xx8 Bay Rd.
Real massage medium pressure.
No hassle.
Monica young thin.
70 hr 30 tip.
Left happy.
Clean location open 9 am-9:30 pm.
Cbzunokagw
07-20-21, 19:31
I've had all 3 and Lily was my ATF. She has since moved out of state. Which leaves Tina (the manager) and Cherry. Cheryl is a little younger not much. But she has a decent body and is nice. She likes her pussy licked and will suck and fuck. Tina has long ass nipples. I e never seen anything like it. She's skinnier and has to be pushing 50. But she will shower you, rub you down and rim the ass on the way to fuck or suck. Either one is okay. I mean I've been going there pretty steady for 3-4 years. It's usually 60 at the door and and extra. 1 for the works. They send you out with a soft drink and a smile. They've had some duds there believe me. But these girls are professional. I e had several 3 sums with them and others. I'm what they call good customer LOL.Did stop by. Was assigned Sunny, apparently new. 50, thic, Ds. Nice face and beautiful eyes, and very long hair. Decent curves, but I prefer spinner types. Shower without much in the way of teasing. Session was fine; usual mediocre massage, CBJ and CFS. Overall fine and left happy; not the fireworks I was hoping for after reading reviews on Cherry and Tina. TOFTT.
DutchRudder
07-26-21, 21:57
We all know Tina, PM me deets on Cherry, what's she do different?
TheunoAndOnly
07-27-21, 14:16
Now in my entire life I never went to any massage parlors. So I took the plunge. I called in advance and go there and immediately see this woman in a dress with nice tits and a curvy body in all the right places approach me and leads me to the room (she told me her name is Sunny after our visit). So she gives me a massage and tells me to flip over. Lets just say I had a wonderful time with that woman message for the details. Based on the reports here I seen some people had good and bad times. I had a great time probably due to beginners luck so YMMV.
PapaBoner78
08-03-21, 15:49
I was a bit bored this morning and after getting no responses from a few chicks, I decided to go get a massage. Not sure what the girls name was but got a nice table shower and then a nice back rub. Everything covered, will repeat. Papa be.
BoRegardHer
08-03-21, 22:26
I have been having some legit back issues lately so went to the chiropractor and wanted to follow up with a real massage, so I reached out to Michelle in Clare. It's been forever since I seen her. Since she moved from Bay City. And I was surprised to see the rate posted on STG because that was higher then when I saw her in bay city unless tip was included in that. I asked her if that rate was all inclusive and she told me yeah. Well, in this case, I really just wanted the great massage that she gives, so she told me 60 for the hour. She still does a great massage and I tipped her 20 for a job well done. Note in this instance I did not want, nor get the all inclusive package, but it is available for her posted STG rate. Note her ad, she is NOT an escort, but a nice ending to the massage can be expected.
BayCityGuy
08-04-21, 15:21
Loved the best BJ poll. I found it helpful and entertaining. Similar to that I'm interested in best massage in the Midland- Bay-Sag area, even north or Mt P. Are there any UTR massages around here anymore? Feel free to PM.
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