The Woodshed

[PuurFit]

You're both right. However in my case I honestly thought the marriage was over either way. Ironically, now that she knows I'm a scumbag rather than just suspecting it, we've screwed more in the last few days then we had in the past year. This really puts-year-old boy EG in quite a pickle. Her wanting to stay in the marriage was the last thing I expected. Typical female Jedi mind tricks. The fact that I still love her makes things all that much more complicated.I have to laugh and feel your pain as a 3 x loser in domestic affairs, so my advice is follow your brain (not your heart or little head), as if my advice did me any good!!

We appriciate your honesty and feelings. I remember my 1st and 2nd wives became very sexually once they realized that I had found another. Only you can decide if.

The magic is still there.

Good luck!

[El Gringo14]

This is the kind of situation we all dread or perhaps have once been part of, so good luck, as it's a tough road ahead for sure. Been there, done that, more than a couple of times. Would offer up one suggestion, and that is to get an STD check as son as possible, before she insists on it. For two reasons. It allows you to address any medical issue before hand and keeps her from finding out, because they all want to see the actual test results, which on the second tests will therefore be negative, and two, it shows your intent to make amends. And for the record, I didn't offer to help even the score, in my PM I was merely relaying my preference for cockhold / poly situations and how I too am thinking about leaving the Hobby and just sticking with those adventures. Dang man, unlike some Mongers on here, I do have a heart!! SOL Good luck, really hope it works out for you both, especially with kids involved.Thanks for all the well wishes and advice guys. JTM, I was only joshing you about the "get even" remark. I hope you took it as such. I've been both entertained and informed by you and the many mongers on this board. Hopefully I won't be back in the hobby, ever, but got to take things one day at a time. It's a long road from here. I have to go to the lab every six months for some other medical issues anyway, so I think I will take you up on your advice to get myself checked out for STD's. Thankfully, I never did BBFS with any providers, but did get my share of BBBJ's.

[YoungRestless]

Sorry mongers, but the old EG is retiring after 5 short months in the hobby. Unfortunately, the marital unit discovered my extracurricular activities (fortunately, all she knows is that junior has been straying, she doesn't know the details). Anyway, I fully anticipated a divorce, but with a nice house, one income and 2 kids, she opted for marital counseling instead. The bright side is, a friend of hers counseled her that the best way to keep me from straying would be to wear junior and me out so much that I lack the energy for another woman. After a 7 month dry spell at home (plus she only fucked me twice in all of 2014), she has done just that. I don't know how long this will last, but she's become a total nymph at home over the past few days. I'm not sure just how I'm supposed to feel, but I'm enjoying the moment. I only hope a good shrink can help with all the other issues we have. Good thing is that after refusing counseling for many years, she's quite eager now, having realized that my dick actually works and there are other females more than willing to partake. After kissing her ass for years has failed, it's ironic that she's suddenly attracted to me after knowing without a doubt that I am a total asshole. Don't know how I'm supposed to feel about that.

Again, I owe a debt of gratitude, which I can never repay to the mongers on this board who helped make my brief stint in this lifestyle a safe, fun and memorable one. If things don't work out, I hope why'all don't mind me coming back in the future and imposing for a "handout" or two.

If you want to glean from my experiences, I posted a recent review of every provider I've met in a report on this thread called "Mid year report from a newb".

An extra special thanks to the special ladies who helped me get my "man card" back!

Peace.

I commend and respect you for it! Much success to ya! Don't lose your family my friend because it ain't worth it!

[PoniBoi]

Sorry mongers, but the old EG is retiring after 5 short months in the hobby. Unfortunately, the marital unit discovered my extracurricular activities (fortunately, all she knows is that junior has been straying, she doesn't know the details). Anyway, I fully anticipated a divorce, but with a nice house, one income and 2 kids, she opted for marital counseling instead. The bright side is, a friend of hers counseled her that the best way to keep me from straying would be to wear junior and me out so much that I lack the energy for another woman. After a 7 month dry spell at home (plus she only fucked me twice in all of 2014), she has done just that. I don't know how long this will last, but she's become a total nymph at home over the past few days. I'm not sure just how I'm supposed to feel, but I'm enjoying the moment. I only hope a good shrink can help with all the other issues we have. Good thing is that after refusing counseling for many years, she's quite eager now, having realized that my dick actually works and there are other females more than willing to partake. After kissing her ass for years has failed, it's ironic that she's suddenly attracted to me after knowing without a doubt that I am a total asshole. Don't know how I'm supposed to feel about that.

Again, I owe a debt of gratitude, which I can never repay to the mongers on this board who helped make my brief stint in this lifestyle a safe, fun and memorable one. If things don't work out, I hope why'all don't mind me coming back in the future and imposing for a "handout" or two.

If you want to glean from my experiences, I posted a recent review of every provider I've met in a report on this thread called "Mid year report from a newb".

An extra special thanks to the special ladies who helped me get my "man card" back!

Peace.My condolences: because you and the Mrs. Hit a point in your matrimony where both of you are questioning your relationship.

My congratulations: because of your infidelity, it sounds like both of you just became a lot closer- weird. I sincerely hope it stays that way.

Don't know if this is appropriate, but the attached link is just a PB parting gift. Hope I attached it correctly.

http://xxxbunker.com/housewife_1_on_1_mrs_robbins

Well wishes.

Be Safe- Stay Faithful.

-PB.

[PuurFit]

I had the pleasure of enjoying Holly of Arlington yesterday and even though she is a little heavy and not that attractive her F cup and skills make up for it. Her pay scale is the deal.

Maker! I received a PM this morning asking if he had the correct phone number and I said yes. Just for grins I did the number check and it comes back with several warnings.

About how this is a police sting etc. This is BS! I was serviced, paid and left. My vote is to ignore the "warnings" from these BS sites!

[JuiceSeeker]

I had the pleasure of enjoying Holly of Arlington yesterday and even though she is a little heavy and not that attractive her F cup and skills make up for it. Her pay scale is the deal.

Maker! I received a PM this morning asking if he had the correct phone number and I said yes. Just for grins I did the number check and it comes back with several warnings.

About how this is a police sting etc. This is BS! I was serviced, paid and left. My vote is to ignore the "warnings" from these BS sites!I have enjoyed Holly on several occasions and I agree with your assessment but she is very reliable. However, I was confused or not sure if you received a PM or text and how did someone get your personal number to text you?

[PuurFit]

I have enjoyed Holly on several occasions and I agree with your assessment but she is very reliable. However, I was confused or not sure if you received a PM or text and how did someone get your personal number to text you?Here she is now.

http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/join-me-on-an-mind-blwing-adventure-come-taste-holly/7514442

[Rick Dugan]

Be Safe- Stay Faithful.
If guys with SOs all stayed faithful, escort marketplaces and strip clubs would likely dry up.

[PoniBoi]

If guys with SOs all stayed faithful, escort marketplaces and strip clubs would likely dry up.I'm hearin ya, Rick and I agree w / your statement. Just tryin to give our man, EG some words of wisdom and encouragement towards his matrimony. EG states he's going to try and make his marriage work and I was merely sending him off on a positive note and a video of one of my favorite porn stars.

Really needin Jr sucked on right now!!

BSHM. Got to Go!!

-Ptugtfyh.

[HobbyGuyJax]

My condolences: because you and the Mrs. Hit a point in your matrimony where both of you are questioning your relationship.

My congratulations: because of your infidelity, it sounds like both of you just became a lot closer- weird. I sincerely hope it stays that way.

Don't know if this is appropriate, but the attached link is just a PB parting gift. Hope I attached it correctly.

http://xxxbunker.com/housewife_1_on_1_mrs_robbins

Well wishes.

Be Safe- Stay Faithful.

-PB.It's always nice to see your personal POV shots enjoyed by others, and Little Willie always likes the exposure. SOL.

[PT Monger]

I see no one has posted a review in the USA classifieds section A2 added. Maybe we have an unspoken pact to not post? I don't mind and not trying to fix something that's not broken. I know I'm not keeping them in business and the list is growing. I'll say this, I know a couple of them that have popped up recently and one is a complete waste of time. Don't spend your money guys without the same or more due diligence you use on any ad.

Any input on posting??

[Member #6355]

I see no one has posted a review in the USA classifieds section A2 added. Maybe we have an unspoken pact to not post? I don't mind and not trying to fix something that's not broken. I know I'm not keeping them in business and the list is growing. I'll say this, I know a couple of them that have popped up recently and one is a complete waste of time. Don't spend your money guys without the same or more due diligence you use on any ad.

Any input on posting??Well, I always like to go first, heh heh, so I just posted a little review of the amazing Veronica Savu on the new forum. Veronica gets me hot just thinking about her. Her new pics on USA Adult Classifieds are almost as mouth-watering as she is :)

[TwoWheels]

Why do you guys get so invested into these girls mentally and emotionally? Not trying to start anything but these girls are not your friends they want money to support their habit. I don't even remember most of their names after they get out of my car. I mean its already bad enough that I'm taking advantage of their situation for my own sexual gratification, why complicate things even more?This post belongs in the Woodshed.

Good hunting.

TW.

[CantB1]

Why do you guys get so invested into these girls mentally and emotionally? Not trying to start anything but these girls are not your friends they want money to support their habit. I don't even remember most of their names after they get out of my car. I mean its already bad enough that I'm taking advantage of their situation for my own sexual gratification, why complicate things even more?Because they are people too. Each monger decides their own level of intimacy with these girls. Some of us are in it just for the "nut" and others for a good time or even companionship. We tend to look at these girls as selling their souls. But then who are they selling their souls to? (The devil maybe) But then is that the monger or the medz buy from them?

I can tell you this much about me. I try to have a good time. If we going to call this a "hobby" game or sport. Then it best to be fun and enjoyable. I have my struggle with the good and the bad of all this. I'm probably more vested in this hobby then most. I have gotten my mind and my heart tied up in this shedt. But no matter what I stick "it" in, I remember that's another real person on the other side of your balls too.

So many times that I have "cried wolf" saying to myself and / or others that I'm going to stop. But then again I continue. Guess this is also an addiction. I know to plenty it's a way to get what's missing at home or a way to feel better about your insecurities. For example it's going to take more than a couple Jacksons to for a middle aged to senor man to get to bang a 20 something year old chick in real life. Guess that's really why they call them "dreams. ".

CB1.

Really we pose to "love people and use things" not the other way around. This hobby got it twisted.

[Chason Hymen]

Bri done hit rock bottom. I heard she had got a bad "H stick" that caused a heart problem. She was already was super thin and face picking. You could damn near see her organs through her skin. She was my fav for awhile. Boy she could fuck and suck to make you feel like a porn star. But then she turned into a tiny skeleton. I could not stand to see her look like that. You might want to call her "team" member J. J. And ask her if you get too worried. Or check the "Highway" house if you feel comfortable.Saw JJ asked. She couldn't shed any light. Bri is a little hustling sociopathic skin-and-bones porn star with a bad habit or 2 but she is also a sweet little girl with a vulnerability that breaks my heart and bad taste in BF / DBs and I am scared for her. I can't not care and frankly I'm worried sick! If anyone sees her or hears anything fresher than 3 days old PLEASE pm me. Really. Thanks.

CH.

P.S. Highway no longer. And where it moved says they Know nothing.
Picture from better times. Breaks my damn heart.
I know she's a mess but if she turns up really hurt or dead I'M going to be a mess!

[Voltron94]

Anyone seen Bri / Briana from Lane and sometimes Paxon in the last few days? I heard she was in hospital for a heart thing but left ama Monday night. She usually lets me hear from her at least once a day but nothing since Tuesday am about 6 and to tell the truth I'm a little worried. Anyone that knows anything please pm me. Thanks. Saw JJ asked. She couldn't shed any light. Bri is a little hustling sociopathic skin-and-bones porn star with a bad habit or 2 but she is also a sweet little girl with a vulnerability that breaks my heart and bad taste in BF / DBs and I am scared for her. I can't not care and frankly I'm worried sick! If anyone sees her or hears anything fresher than 3 days old PLEASE pm me. Really. Thanks.

CH.

P.S. Highway no longer. And where it moved says they Know nothing.

Picture from better times. Breaks my damn heart.

I know she's a mess but if she turns up really hurt or dead I'm going to be a mess!Nothing wrong with caring about a provider as a human being, as long as you don't allow them to manipulate you. I am honestly more concerned for someone who can see a provider with any degree of regularity and truly not care whether they live or die.

I have an ATF, and it would truly break my heart if anything bad were to happen to her.

[Member #4617]

Because they are people too. Each monger decides their own level of intimacy with these girls. Some of us are in it just for the "nut" and others for a good time or even companionship. We tend to look at these girls as selling their souls. But then who are they selling their souls to? (The devil maybe) But then is that the monger or the medz buy from them?

I can tell you this much about me. I try to have a good time. If we going to call this a "hobby" game or sport. Then it best to be fun and enjoyable. I have my struggle with the good and the bad of all this. I'm probably more vested in this hobby then most. I have gotten my mind and my heart tied up in this shedt. But no matter what I stick "it" in, I remember that's another real person on the other side of your balls too.

So many times that I have "cried wolf" saying to myself and / or others that I'm going to stop. But then again I continue. Guess this is also an addiction. I know to plenty it's a way to get what's missing at home or a way to feel better about your insecurities. For example it's going to take more than a couple Jacksons to for a middle aged to senor man to get to bang a 20 something year old chick in real life. Guess that's really why they call them "dreams. ".

CB1.

Really we pose to "love people and use things" not the other way around. This hobby got it twisted.Not a lot of good can come from doing this. These girls are people too like he said and people do what they know how to do and nothing more. You can get yourself right if you truly want to. It's hard but doing the hard thing is always the right thing to do.

[PoniBoi]

Just curious what's the worst backpage scam that someone has suffered, just getting robbed? Just curious if anyone has ran into anything more dangerous.But had one that wanted something serious w / me. After finishing up our dream and was cleaning up / getting dress, we doing a bit of end-of-the-dream chit chat. She brought up the idea of her moving in w / me and she would be my gf.

My response: "No thanks, I would rather be robbed".

BSHM.

-PB.

[Member #4617]

But had one that wanted something serious w / me. After finishing up our dream and was cleaning up / getting dress, we doing a bit of end-of-the-dream chit chat. She brought up the idea of her moving in w / me and she would be my gf.

My response: "No thanks, I would rather be robbed".

BSHM.

-PB.Very good response.

[The Preacher]

I am not. I care about the providers I regularly visit. I view them as a friend. Not as a piece of meat. I respect them as human beings. They are just working a job (an extremely costly one) like everyone else. But that's just the way I am though. I am a decent guy at heart. I've never been a guy to treat women as worthless objects.

[PoniBoi]

http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/youngmissmssys-back-n-jax-dont-miss-out-on-missy/6596682

Had the pleasure of seeing her for the third time today. I just can't get enough of her DT skills. I have never experienced that sensation before meeting her, so needless to say, I am going to get it while the gettin is good!

We met up at a decent hotel in the Town Center area for a HH visit. I was in no rush to be anywhere so I hung out with her for a little while before the session to shoot the shit. She's a really cool chick. We laughed and kicked it like old friends. Then the session began. I have a GF so I get plenty of sex at home. What I don't get is DT or CIM, so that's my primary goal with Missy. I undressed and laid back on the bed and let her clean my tool thoroughly for half and hour straight. She slurped and moaned and gulped and sucked and stroked like a pro. Paid plenty of attention to the boys. Did some very aggressive hammerhead DT all the way to the balls which drove me crazy. The Preacher had to say a few prayers to hold back his Holy Spirit! I ordered her to beg me to let her taste my holy water. She complied beautifully. She was so believable that I couldn't help but bless her mouth and throat with a heavy blast of holy water. She took it all and cleaned up the spillage. Kept working on the tool until I was left in a convulsing heap on the bed. Whew! I love this girl!

Will repeat!Sounds like Ms Miss can handle the Miracle Stick! They say that a way to a woman's heart is down her throat, LOL!

BSHM.

-PB.

[HobbyGuyJax]

Just curious what's the worst backpage scam that someone has suffered, just getting robbed? Just curious if anyone has ran into anything more dangerous.To me the Scammers are the ones trying to get you to sign up fpr some verification site, green dot card and / or are just tennage boys wasting everyone's time and effort with BS ads.

If you are asking about the criminals, those who are thieves, robbers and worse, the media has a few stories about mongers getting robbed, killed and / or killing providers, homeboys, DB's, pimps and want to be's. As fare as admitting to any such activities would not be a wise move in my humble opine.

If you partake in this Hobby with the wrong Provider you can be subject to life and death risks and should be prepared to be either a lamb or a lion, a victim or a victor.

Never lose sight of the fact that even in a justified, self-defense situation, your reputation and life style will be forever affected, regardless of the eventual outcome.

[CantB1]

I am not. I care about the providers I regularly visit. I view them as a friend. Not as a piece of meat. I respect them as human beings. They are just working a job (an extremely costly one) like everyone else. But that's just the way I am though. I am a decent guy at heart. I've never been a guy to treat women as worthless objects.Preach to the choir please!

[TallBear]

I am not. I care about the providers I regularly visit. I view them as a friend. Not as a piece of meat. I respect them as human beings. They are just working a job (an extremely costly one) like everyone else. But that's just the way I am though. I am a decent guy at heart. I've never been a guy to treat women as worthless objects.Word, Preacher! Could not have said it better myself. And I got to say, this particular forum is the last place I expected to encounter such insightful & compassionate observations on the moral & emotional ramifications of our so-called "hobby".

We are all horndogs, no doubt, but it is gratifying to see that it doesn't have to make us soulless bastards.

Like many of you, apparently, I genuinely enjoy getting to know the providers I meet, most all of whom, however flawed, are really quite sweet. And I have come to care deeply for a couple of them, probably more than I should.

Somebody once told me, "Something happens inside your head & everything changes once you stick your dick in them. " I would not characterize that as a thoughtful observation, but there is something to it.

[LuckyGandor]

But had one that wanted something serious w / me. After finishing up our dream and was cleaning up / getting dress, we doing a bit of end-of-the-dream chit chat. She brought up the idea of her moving in w / me and she would be my gf.

My response: "No thanks, I would rather be robbed".

BSHM.

-PB.Yeah I made the mistake of getting one a little too attached. I'm a sucker for hard luck cases I guess which is dangerous considering almost all of them are hard luck cases.

[CantB1]

Word, Preacher! Could not have said it better myself. And I got to say, this particular forum is the last place I expected to encounter such insightful & compassionate observations on the moral & emotional ramifications of our so-called "hobby".

We are all horndogs, no doubt, but it is gratifying to see that it doesn't have to make us soulless bastards.

Like many of you, apparently, I genuinely enjoy getting to know the providers I meet, most all of whom, however flawed, are really quite sweet. And I have come to care deeply for a couple of them, probably more than I should.

Somebody once told me, "Something happens inside your head & everything changes once you stick your dick in them. " I would not characterize that as a thoughtful observation, but there is something to it.Contrary to what some may think. Or want to admit. Sex is intimate. Sometimes even for primal creatures. Some need to feel that "acceptance" from one particular person or from many. Like a popularity contest or a beauty pageant. Other than sex can't get physically closer to another person unless you are conjoined twins. Not saying that your going to fall in love with everyone. But there is the chance that you and that person can connect on a level that's more them just penetration. From that point it, how you handle it is all about choices. This hobby includes medz and money what separates "dreams" from reality.

[SoloGator]

Can you guys take that convo to another section of the forum? Really has nothing to do with the listed category.

I appreciate you doing this but could you please learn to use the report post button so I can know what you're talking about?

A2

[CantB1]

Not a lot of good can come from doing this. These girls are people too like he said and people do what they know how to do and nothing more. You can get yourself right if you truly want to. It's hard but doing the hard thing is always the right thing to do.A power over a man's substance, amounts to a power over his will. Being of substance is showing consideration for others foremost. It doesn't mean taking advantage of it to get what you want. It means not judging and understanding others shortcomings and helping where ever possible. It means putting yourself last on occasion.

I think I been in this game too long. I always said that this should be fun. And the longer I play the less fun it becomes. I been hogging the ball on the SW thread. So I'm going to take a seat on the bench and watch everyone else play. I'm still going to watch and cheer.

CB1.

[Member #4617]

Word, Preacher! Could not have said it better myself. And I got to say, this particular forum is the last place I expected to encounter such insightful & compassionate observations on the moral & emotional ramifications of our so-called "hobby".

We are all horndogs, no doubt, but it is gratifying to see that it doesn't have to make us soulless bastards.

Like many of you, apparently, I genuinely enjoy getting to know the providers I meet, most all of whom, however flawed, are really quite sweet. And I have come to care deeply for a couple of them, probably more than I should.

Somebody once told me, "Something happens inside your head & everything changes once you stick your dick in them. " I would not characterize that as a thoughtful observation, but there is something to it.You guys need to start acting like men. I swear this topic is making you sound like women. Geez! I am not advocating for disregarding the women you spend time with in this lifestyle, but if you really have there best interest at heart you wouldn't be using them to satisfy your needs. That being said there is no helping some of these girls.

[Anonymous123]

Word, Preacher! Could not have said it better myself. And I got to say, this particular forum is the last place I expected to encounter such insightful & compassionate observations on the moral & emotional ramifications of our so-called "hobby".

We are all horndogs, no doubt, but it is gratifying to see that it doesn't have to make us soulless bastards.

Like many of you, apparently, I genuinely enjoy getting to know the providers I meet, most all of whom, however flawed, are really quite sweet. And I have come to care deeply for a couple of them, probably more than I should.

Somebody once told me, "Something happens inside your head & everything changes once you stick your dick in them. " I would not characterize that as a thoughtful observation, but there is something to it.Yeah. I never thought that I would care for some of the girls like I do. Take for instance Maliyah. I've told her more about me than I've told some of my good buddies. I mean it could be pillow talk but I genuinely like conversating with her. She is on my short list of females I'd actually date if I wasn't married. LOL. That's why I call her my monger wife. LOL. (wink wink Maliyah).

[Anonymous123]

I have two stories that I will share. These happened in San Antonio TX in 2007 before I even knew about this board. But, the first was a ripoff. I met this sexy little Mexican at the store and she invited me up to her place and when we get there we were drinking and having a good time. All of a sudden she unzips the pants and starts showing Jr some love. About 5 minutes go by and it's getting real good then she stops and says. "how we keep going and do even more for about 80 bucks?" well I figure out what this is and I lie and say I only have sixty. She said that'll do. So we get naked and as soon as give her the money and insert Mr plumbr inside her pipes. I hear a "bam bam bam" at the door! She looked through the peephole an said, "its my boyfriend just got out of jail but wasn't supposed to be home until tomorrow!" So I said shit. I got to go and grabbed my clothes and she helped me get out the 2nd floor bedroom window. That landing hurt like hell. LOL but I left my jacket and keys on the couch and she closed the window. Long story shorter, it was a scam and I had to call the cops to get my shit back. Then the cops got suspicious becuz she was known. So after I got my stuff they told me to leave and not be seen in that area again.

[Anonymous123]

Also in San Antonio TX. I met this stripper in the club and for whatever reason this club is mad dark but she was cute. I xould tell she was tripping on something cause she was very touchy feely and kept asking me to take her home. Well get to her apartment and she asks what do I want for gas. I said, "to bend that sweet ass over". LOL and she agreed but also added she was spotting about to get her period. LOL. E www...getting your "blood stripe" is ok when it's your girl. But not some random chick. So I opted for some knowledge. She did a good job slow sensual with a lot of suction and little bit of spitting. When I came she didn't swallow it and it went everywhere over her face. She enjoyed it until she looked up at me with the lights on and she asked "are you black?" I said yeah and she said holy shit I've never touched a black guy before and she started throwing up in my fucking ride and crying hysterically! I make get out cause a scene she was causing and I ended up having to clean my f-ing car before I went home before the wife found out. Damn.

[CantB1]

You guys need to start acting like men. I swear this topic is making you sound like women. Geez! I am not advocating for disregarding the women you spend time with in this lifestyle, but if you really have there best interest at heart you wouldn't be using them to satisfy your needs. That being said there is no helping some of these girls.We all need to start acting like men? Did you ever think that it took an appointment in the hobby to get to meet these ladies. That's when you get to know them. Not before from looking at an ad. You haven't even met the majority of the providers mentioned. If any. So how can you form an honest opinion of people you have yet to meet or never will for that matter.

When it comes to this hobby, you been stoking your keyboard not the providers. Get out. Get some pussy. Report back. And repeat often. Then come give your honest opinion on this topic. It might just change your mind.

The more a man talks about "acting like men" the more inadequate he feels and more pretending he needs to do to make up for it.

CB1.

Hey bro. Can I buy you a "pink"?

[TallBear]

You guys need to start acting like men. I swear this topic is making you sound like women. Geez! I am not advocating for disregarding the women you spend time with in this lifestyle, but if you really have there best interest at heart you wouldn't be using them to satisfy your needs. That being said there is no helping some of these girls.Naw, seriously, dude, rest assured I have no particular illusions about whose best interests I have at heart: nobody's, really. My pecker pumps but it has no heart.

[FearTheSpear]

Also in San Antonio TX. I met this stripper in the club and for whatever reason this club is mad dark but she was cute. I xould tell she was tripping on something cause she was very touchy feely and kept asking me to take her home. Well get to her apartment and she asks what do I want for gas. I said, "to bend that sweet ass over". LOL and she agreed but also added she was spotting about to get her period. LOL. E www...getting your "blood stripe" is ok when it's your girl. But not some random chick. So I opted for some knowledge. She did a good job slow sensual with a lot of suction and little bit of spitting. When I came she didn't swallow it and it went everywhere over her face. She enjoyed it until she looked up at me with the lights on and she asked "are you black?" I said yeah and she said holy shit I've never touched a black guy before and she started throwing up in my fucking ride and crying hysterically! I make get out cause a scene she was causing and I ended up having to clean my f-ing car before I went home before the wife found out. Damn.Hell nawl, LOL. She remind me of "The Box" scene in the movie Se7 en, with Brad Pitt standing there going. No, no no nooooooo, ahhh god, noooooo!!

LOL, guess she thought she would puke up the chocolate pole she had already smoked on.

[The Preacher]

Also in San Antonio TX. I met this stripper in the club and for whatever reason this club is mad dark but she was cute. I xould tell she was tripping on something cause she was very touchy feely and kept asking me to take her home. Well get to her apartment and she asks what do I want for gas. I said, "to bend that sweet ass over". LOL and she agreed but also added she was spotting about to get her period. LOL. E www...getting your "blood stripe" is ok when it's your girl. But not some random chick. So I opted for some knowledge. She did a good job slow sensual with a lot of suction and little bit of spitting. When I came she didn't swallow it and it went everywhere over her face. She enjoyed it until she looked up at me with the lights on and she asked "are you black?" I said yeah and she said holy shit I've never touched a black guy before and she started throwing up in my fucking ride and crying hysterically! I make get out cause a scene she was causing and I ended up having to clean my f-ing car before I went home before the wife found out. Damn.Holy fucking shit man. You posting from a hotel?

[JaxDog]

I am not. I care about the providers I regularly visit. I view them as a friend. Not as a piece of meat. I respect them as human beings. They are just working a job (an extremely costly one) like everyone else. But that's just the way I am though. I am a decent guy at heart. I've never been a guy to treat women as worthless objects.I've had relationships with some of these women for years and while I always remember it's a financial / service arrangement it's hard not to start to feel something towards them, call it friendship or whatever, it's just human nature. JD.

[Admin2]

I didn't move all these rip off stories here because they were douchy, they were blocking the reviews. This thread can be social as well as combative.

A2.

[Sned1]

We all need to start acting like men? Did you ever think that it took an appointment in the hobby to get to meet these ladies. That's when you get to know them. Not before from looking at an ad. You haven't even met the majority of the providers mentioned. If any. So how can you form an honest opinion of people you have yet to meet or never will for that matter.

When it comes to this hobby, you been stoking your keyboard not the providers. Get out. Get some pussy. Report back. And repeat often. Then come give your honest opinion on this topic. It might just change your mind.

The more a man talks about "acting like men" the more inadequate he feels and more pretending he needs to do to make up for it.

CB1.

Hey bro. Can I buy you a "pink"?You go CB1! Love it.

Perhaps someone has sand in their vagina.

[PoniBoi]

Very good response.Not replying to any of my posts? It would be greatly appreciated. And please make no attempts of PMing me.

Thank You. Have a pleasant day😊.

BSHM.

-PB.

[Member #4617]

We all need to start acting like men? Did you ever think that it took an appointment in the hobby to get to meet these ladies. That's when you get to know them. Not before from looking at an ad. You haven't even met the majority of the providers mentioned. If any. So how can you form an honest opinion of people you have yet to meet or never will for that matter.

When it comes to this hobby, you been stoking your keyboard not the providers. Get out. Get some pussy. Report back. And repeat often. Then come give your honest opinion on this topic. It might just change your mind.

The more a man talks about "acting like men" the more inadequate he feels and more pretending he needs to do to make up for it.

CB1.

Hey bro. Can I buy you a "pink"?Truth is not judgement. Feel free to insult and attack me all you want if it makes you feel better bud.

[HornyGuy2]

These providers are very much human and I treat them with the upmost respect while on my dates. But after the dates over, its over. They are using us for the explicit purpose of providing for their habit. I'm not looking down on anyone because if anyone is more to blame its me because I'm not making chemically altered decisions. Well I guess testosterone LOL. Anyway my main point of bring it up was that your getting emotionally invested in women who have chemical imbalances and cannot remain coherent long enough to reciprocate. Trust me, I have a heart but I also listen to my big head more than my smaller one on the matter of off the field issues (calls, texts, lending money, etc). Sex is intimate and it can cloud peoples judgement, I know many of you have had a friend that just can't stop sleeping with a psycho chick LOL I know I have. Anyway I guess we can move on from this and just realize that in the end we're all using each other for what we want.

[LuckyGandor]

These providers are very much human and I treat them with the upmost respect while on my dates. But after the dates over, its over. They are using us for the explicit purpose of providing for their habit. I'm not looking down on anyone because if anyone is more to blame its me because I'm not making chemically altered decisions. Well I guess testosterone LOL. Anyway my main point of bring it up was that your getting emotionally invested in women who have chemical imbalances and cannot remain coherent long enough to reciprocate. Trust me, I have a heart but I also listen to my big head more than my smaller one on the matter of off the field issues (calls, texts, lending money, etc). Sex is intimate and it can cloud peoples judgement, I know many of you have had a friend that just can't stop sleeping with a psycho chick LOL I know I have. Anyway I guess we can move on from this and just realize that in the end we're all using each other for what we want.Yeah I agree with all points. I spent awhile texting with a provider for several days after and she's a sweet girl but just trying to help became a little too much. Just texts about how bad things are etc. Then I start worrying about how this should be a secret side and keeping in touch just increases the chance of it intruding into real life. Then I wonder if the provider will try and leverage that, trying to find my real identity, find a way to look up my license plate, who knows. I felt about then that it wasn't really worth devoting the time between dates like that as much of a softy as I am and want to help out.

[PT Monger]

Not replying to any of my posts? It would be greatly appreciated. And please make no attempts of PMing me.

Thank You. Have a pleasant day.

BSHM.

-PB.I don't really care or, normally get into these discussions but I would have said the same thing (go away). We all add value to the forum at different levels but this sounds like a troll just here to make noise.

[CantB1]

Truth is not judgement. Feel free to insult and attack me all you want if it makes you feel better bud.You have replied to just about everything PoniBoi and I have posted. Not sure why unless you want to start a bro-mance. JTM has already wooing PB for a while. But I'm available. (Wink wink) LOL. I would be more than happy to take you out for a cruise of the strolls. Kinda like "Training Day" if you down to ride. I can introduce you to some of the ladies I know on our city tour. The first couple rounds of "pinks" are on be bro. Whatcha say?

CB1.

JTM and PB: sorry for the joke guys. I couldn't resist the opportunity.

[CantB1]

Once you have a falling out, your pix may very well show up on BP or CL. Although this girl's pix is already on there but other personal info may show up as well.

http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/deanna-diamonds-jenny-lisa-guerrero-owes-angie-loveless-3000that-is-why-she-stalked-me9045147038/7642432My best guess is that Angie wrote this ad just by ready it.

[ChrisNy]

Once you have a falling out, your pix may very well show up on BP or CL. Although this girl's pix is already on there but other personal info may show up as well.

http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/deanna-diamonds-jenny-lisa-guerrero-owes-angie-loveless-3000that-is-why-she-stalked-me9045147038/7642432This is getting out of hand wt these two. BP has turned into a ad war BTW her and Angie. All I know is that whoever is writing it can't spell or write. Smh.

[Voltron94]

Yeah I agree with all points. I spent awhile texting with a provider for several days after and she's a sweet girl but just trying to help became a little too much. Just texts about how bad things are etc. Then I start worrying about how this should be a secret side and keeping in touch just increases the chance of it intruding into real life. Then I wonder if the provider will try and leverage that, trying to find my real identity, find a way to look up my license plate, who knows. I felt about then that it wasn't really worth devoting the time between dates like that as much of a softy as I am and want to help out.We need to remember that this discussion kicked off with a hobbyist being worried about a provider he knew that went missing. That's a far cry from a provider trying to intrude into your life or manipulate you.

I would hope everyone would use their best judgment about keeping their hobby safe & discreet, and not being hustled by a provider with a hard luck story. If you haven't guessed by now, if they wind up walking the streets or on BP, they aren't exactly living every little girl's dream. If you can't stay in contact without being a white knight, don't. But I don't think you have to get attached to someone like that in order to hope they don't wind up dead.

Not trying to be a jerk about it, but let's just remember the context here. A provider that you see regularly, to me, is not much different from a favorite bartender at the local pub, or maybe a barber. Sure, you're there for the service and they're only serving you to make money. That doesn't mean that you don't get to know each other a little and become more friendly as time goes on. If my favorite barber or bartender suddenly stopped showing up for work and nobody they worked with knew where they were, I'd be concerned too. Just because one pours me shots, one clips my locks, and another one drains my nuts doesn't mean I shouldn't care about them all as human beings.

[JaxQt]

This is getting out of hand wt these two. BP has turned into a ad war BTW her and Angie. All I know is that whoever is writing it can't spell or write. Smh.Various linguists refer to said penmanship as "Angienese" a dialect native to the wet lands of North Eastern Florida. I think Rosetta Stone has a few audio books if you ever wish to learn 0_o.

On a serious note, indeed the war between these 2 is getting pretty redonkulous. It's pretty sad also that BP allows these ads to remain but pulls down any legit robbery reports posted in the same section (it's my understanding that humans monitor these pages and remove anything that doesn't belong).

[YoungRestless]

My best guess is that Angie wrote this ad just by ready it.Say it ain't so! LOL.

But you're exactly right. First person who came to mind. I've seen where providers have posted clients pix as well when they became angry with them.

[YoungRestless]

Various linguists refer to said penmanship as "Angienese" a dialect native to the wet lands of North Eastern Florida. I think Rosetta Stone has a few audio books if you ever wish to learn 0_o.

On a serious note, indeed the war between these 2 is getting pretty redonkulous. It's pretty sad also that BP allows these ads to remain but pulls down any legit robbery reports posted in the same section (it's my understanding that humans monitor these pages and remove anything that doesn't belong).Some of Angie's text messages pretending to be a lawyer and the way the would-be lawyer is writing I certainly wouldn't want him as my attorney as he seems to have "Angienese" really bad! LOL.

[JaxQt]

Some of Angie's text messages pretending to be a lawyer and the way the would-be lawyer is writing I certainly wouldn't want him as my attorney as he seems to have "Angienese" really bad! LOL.Part of the requirements to pass your Florida bar exam is to be fluent in 3 different languages, English, Angienese and BS! Yea those supposed texts from a lawyer are comical.

[PoniBoi]

You have replied to just about everything PoniBoi and I have posted. Not sure why unless you want to start a bro-mance. JTM has already wooing PB for a while. But I'm available. (Wink wink) LOL. I would be more than happy to take you out for a cruise of the strolls. Kinda like "Training Day" if you down to ride. I can introduce you to some of the ladies I know on our city tour. The first couple rounds of "pinks" are on be bro. Whatcha say?

CB1.

JTM and PB: sorry for the joke guys. I couldn't resist the opportunity.Just realize though, this on-going feud is starting to mimic Angie and Deanna's BP battle (w / out all the Grey Bar pics). Its interesting to read about, but it gets old really quick. Siding w / Angie, I texted her yesterday and kindly told her that she shouldn't exhaust her time and energy on something so frugal. She should just ignore the little witch and concentrate on what she does best- taking care of us Mongers. She's has way too many good reviews to let all this drama weigh her down. Even though she can be a bit looney and a bit bouncy, I still believe she's one of the top providers we have along side of Maliyah, Megan, and that PV lady.

I would like to respectfully say, just end your convo w / this guy and concentrate on what YOU do best- baking cookies and pounding pie! LOL. You've been around a while and have the credibility to not even have to worry about others who come on our site "to just make noise"- PT Monger. I'm not telling you what to do and CB1 is going to do what CB1 wishes to do, but come on bro!

Believe what I just said.

And as always, BSHM.

-PB.

[JaxDog]

We need to remember that this discussion kicked off with a hobbyist being worried about a provider he knew that went missing. That's a far cry from a provider trying to intrude into your life or manipulate you.

I would hope everyone would use their best judgment about keeping their hobby safe & discreet, and not being hustled by a provider with a hard luck story. If you haven't guessed by now, if they wind up walking the streets or on BP, they aren't exactly living every little girl's dream. If you can't stay in contact without being a white knight, don't. But I don't think you have to get attached to someone like that in order to hope they don't wind up dead.

Not trying to be a jerk about it, but let's just remember the context here. A provider that you see regularly, to me, is not much different from a favorite bartender at the local pub, or maybe a barber. Sure, you're there for the service and they're only serving you to make money. That doesn't mean that you don't get to know each other a little and become more friendly as time goes on. If my favorite barber or bartender suddenly stopped showing up for work and nobody they worked with knew where they were, I'd be concerned too. Just because one pours me shots, one clips my locks, and another one drains my nuts doesn't mean I shouldn't care about them all as human beings.The barber analogy is actually spot on! I've been going to my barber for many years and while I don't consider him a friend were friendly. He's cuts my hair, we have small talk, I pay him and leave, if he were to become ill or disappear I'd be concerned and would make inquiries as to his health or whereabouts. It's exactly the same with a provider / atf I've been seeing over a period of time. They both provide a service that I appreciate and am willing to pay for. If they happen to be unable to perform the service I require I'd be a little mournful but I would continue to get my haircut and get my dick serviced, it would just be by someone else, life goes on. My point here is we have to recognize what everyone's role is in this hobby and not get carried away by emotion. That doesn't mean we can't be friendly or have a relationship with providers we see. I've always found that if your nice and seem to be genuinely interested in the providers well being things often get much better sexually and they not only let you do things to them that are off limits to others but at a discounted rate as well. Being a nice, thoughtful regular customer has it's benefits. JD.

[Fishguy717]

Man, I totally agree with you, Alex was hot and I really enjoyed fucking her, she had just the kind of look I like, petite, great body with those come fuck me eyes. Wasn't Alex the one that tried scamming you and you turned it around on her? That was one of the greatest stories I've ever read on the site! JD.Yeah, that was her. Great story, I'll never forget that one.

[HobbyGuyJax]

Not replying to any of my posts? It would be greatly appreciated. And please make no attempts of PMing me.

Thank You. Have a pleasant day.

BSHM.

-PB.I like the Ignore List function. Go to their profile and add them.

[HobbyGuyJax]

You have replied to just about everything PoniBoi and I have posted. Not sure why unless you want to start a bro-mance. JTM has already wooing PB for a while. But I'm available. (Wink wink) LOL. I would be more than happy to take you out for a cruise of the strolls. Kinda like "Training Day" if you down to ride. I can introduce you to some of the ladies I know on our city tour. The first couple rounds of "pinks" are on be bro. Whatcha say?

CB1.

JTM and PB: sorry for the joke guys. I couldn't resist the opportunity.OOOHHH, just the thoughts of the possibilities are enough to make me smile! Perhaps a few months in the Bush with those cold, lonely nights would help you see the true you? Besides, CB1, like they say, it gives you more opportunities for a date on Saturday night, but you already know that, don't you?

Just kidding of course. Bromance ALL the great Mongers on this Forum but my heart lies with the Argentina Stud living the life most of us would take in a heart beat!!

Back to the Mongering boys, pussy and ass, (for you closet types), awaits! LMAO.

[CantB1]

Just realize though, this on-going feud is starting to mimic Angie and Deanna's BP battle (w / out all the Grey Bar pics). Its interesting to read about, but it gets old really quick. Siding w / Angie, I texted her yesterday and kindly told her that she shouldn't exhaust her time and energy on something so frugal. She should just ignore the little witch and concentrate on what she does best- taking care of us Mongers. She's has way too many good reviews to let all this drama weigh her down. Even though she can be a bit looney and a bit bouncy, I still believe she's one of the top providers we have along side of Maliyah, Megan, and that PV lady.

I would like to respectfully say, just end your convo w / this guy and concentrate on what YOU do best- baking cookies and pounding pie! LOL. You've been around a while and have the credibility to not even have to worry about others who come on our site "to just make noise"- PT Monger. I'm not telling you what to do and CB1 is going to do what CB1 wishes to do, but come on bro!

Believe what I just said.

And as always, BSHM.

-PB.I'm all smiles til something or someone gets under my skin. And that guy does not fit hit username at all. Will try my best to ignore him. Besides I got some other contributions I have to make.

CB1.

I'll call the TRUCE!

[Anonymous123]

Holy fucking shit man. You posting from a hotel?What do you mean bro? Don't understand.

[PoniBoi]

I'm all smiles til something or someone gets under my skin. And that guy does not fit hit username at all. Will try my best to ignore him. Besides I got some other contributions I have to make.

CB1.

I'll call the TRUCE!Use that time and energy pounding on pie 🍰 Make sure you contribute all man batter, LOL. I'll be on the side lines rootin you on.

You're right about the name. Doesn't it mean something like, "disguised" or "keeping ones mouth phuckin shut unless one has something worthy or interesting to contribute" Oh well, doesn't matter.

Go get some ass, CBass!

Just BS & HM.

-PB.

[The Preacher]

Women have an uncanny ability to detect when you are going off course. My girl has been fucking my brains out this week. Out of the blue too. We hit a dry spell for months, then all of a sudden it's on. So much so that I have zero desire to reach out to my fav provider for my weekly visit. I am literally spent! Usually when I just sit and think about meeting with my provider, I get an instant erection. That shit ain't happening right now. Give my boy the 10 count. He's down for the count! Dayum!

[HobbyGuyJax]

Women have an uncanny ability to detect when you are going off course. My girl has been fucking my brains out this week. Out of the blue too. We hit a dry spell for months, then all of a sudden it's on. So much so that I have zero desire to reach out to my fav provider for my weekly visit. I am literally spent! Usually when I just sit and think about meeting with my provider, I get an instant erection. That shit ain't happening right now. Give my boy the 10 count. He's down for the count! Dayum!Preacher, isn't that the truth. If more SO's took that approach to keep us happy, life would be fine.

Not seeing your fav provider this week? Does that mean she needs some company?

Hahahaha.

[The Preacher]

Preacher, isn't that the truth. If more SO's took that approach to keep us happy, life would be fine.

Not seeing your fav provider this week? Does that mean she needs some company?

Hahahaha.LOL! Man she even text me to ask if I wanted the same appt time / day. I had to regretfully decline. I guess I'm getting old man. Now I need a few days in between to really feel a desire to go into full freak mode.

[PristineChase]

You read correctly. I've been reading that a lot of providers (some with good reps) have been staging cash and dash's. Unfortunately, the shoe is on the other foot this time. I was scammed by a reputable hobbyists, who was also a 2 year regular of mines.

Yesterday I saw a client I have been seeing for almost 2 years. After 1st requesting a 1 hr date, he changed to a 30 min GFE date upon arrival, which I was okay with. He arrived, dis-robed and hopped in the bed. I noticed that he didn't give my donation upfront, but I didn't mention it right away because I have seen him several times before. Never had any issues with him, and after reading about you guys being ripped off so much, I didn't want to give any red flags (I I didn't want to kill the mood). Shortly into the date he finishes, cleans up, drops the donation and leaves. After counting and seeing I was paid way less than my base GFE donation for the time / companionship he requested, I texted him, and explained to him that he didn't give me the correct donation. He replies, well I thought that was fair considering the situation. ? My response in a nut shell was, NO! #1) My GFE donations begin at 120/30 min, and you requested a 30 min GFE date. #2) It is not my fault you fired of your first shot before you even had a chance to enter the magical kingdom! The condom was opened / ready before I even touched you, I even offered round 2 WHILE playing with your member who was still half awake and YOU declined. #3) If you had already gave my donation, were you going to ask / take back some of the donation, because you don't have dick control? NO! Therefore, you should've given me My donations for what was requested NOT what you felt was necessary because of YOUR short-comings / circumstances. He then replied, offering apologies, saying I was right, and he would bring back the rest later. Obviously, I wouldn't be posting this if he had kept his word.

I offered him a FS hour date, because he said he had $160, but he specifically wanted GFE and asked for a 30 min session. If you visit my website, my GFE donations BEGIN at 30 mins /120 and I was given way less. Now in the time we spent, GFE services were performed (kissing and a juicy stripper slide for example) Therefore, I feel I should've been compensated for GFE services instead of a basic FS (which for me is just a CBJ and positions of your choice. No extras). He was fully aware, before arriving, of my services (levels of service) and donations for said services because we spoke via text and I referred him to my website to help him with his decision.

This is the SECOND time one of my Jacksonville regulars has shorted me on my donations. I caught the first one as he was about to wash up to begin, and when confronted, he just looked at me like "take it or leave it, that's all I have. ". With me. Unless you are the one offering services, you do not have the right to decide / edit / alter my donations to your preferences! My donations are always clearly stated in EVERY ad I post. Therefore, things like this should never occur. If you don't have what I'm asking, don't call me! If you're a quick cummer, and round 2 takes a while. Rub one out before coming to see me! Or schedule an appointment appropriate to allow you time to do your business. But don't ever short me because you don't have what I'm asking, or if you don't fulfill your time. I NEVER have and never will rush anyone through sessions with me. In saying all of that, I'm going to say this. What you ask for is what you pay for!! My room is not a strip club where you negotiate $$ in the champagne room and Ms. Kitty is not on a food stamp / government cell phone plan, where you just pay for what you use. NO! I have donations listed by tiers and increments. Pick what tier / increment you want and pay for it!

I'm sorry that these girls are ripping you guys off, imo they're some real idiots! I would never stoop so low and risk ruining my okay reputation. Even when I'm done with this business, I would like to leave in good standings. With that being said, if anyone has any plans of seeing me, be prepared to give me my donation before you even take your clothes off. While I understand many may not feel comfortable doing so, you are in my company / space. Therefore, my rules. If at any time you want to leave PRIOR to beginning the date, you may do so with your donations (without a problem) I have turned away clients and given them their donations back without a problem, and I've had had guys prepay me for dates in order to help me get to their city and each and every one will tell you, I always hold true to end of the deal.

If anybody has any questions or comments, feel free to PM me.

[YoungRestless]

You read correctly. I've been reading that alot of providers (some with good reps) have been staging cash and dash's. Unfortunately, the shoe is on the other foot this time. I was scammed by a reputable hobbyists, who was also a 2 year regular of mines.

Yesterday I saw a client I have been seeing for almost 2 years. After 1st requesting a 1 hr date, he changed to a 30 min GFE date upon arrival, which I was okay with. He arrived, dis-robed and hopped in the bed. I noticed that he didn't give my donation upfront, but I didn't mention it right away because I have seen him several times before. Never had any issues with him, and after reading about you guys being ripped off so much, I didn't want to give any red flags (I I didn't want to kill the mood). Shortly into the date he finishes, cleans up, drops the donation and leaves. After counting and seeing I was paid way less than my base GFE donation for the time / companionship he requested, I texted him, and explained to him that he didn't give me the correct donation. He replies, well I thought that was fair considering the situation. ? My response in a nut shell was, NO! #1) My GFE donations begin at 120/30 min, and you requested a 30 min GFE date. #2) It is not my fault you fired of your first shot before you even had a chance to enter the magical kingdom! The condom was opened / ready before I even touched you, I even offered round 2 WHILE playing with your member who was still half awake and YOU declined. #3) If you had already gave my donation, were you going to ask / take back some of the donation, because you don't have dick control? NO! Therefore, you should've given me My donations for what was requested NOT what you felt was necessary because of YOUR short-comings / circumstances. He then replied, offering apologies, saying I was right, and he would bring back the rest later. Obviously, I wouldn't be posting this if he had kept his word.

I offered him a FS hour date, because he said he had $160, but he specifically wanted GFE and asked for a 30 min session. If you visit my website, my GFE donations BEGIN at 30 mins /120 and I was given way less. Now in the time we spent, GFE services were performed (kissing and a juicy stripper slide for example) Therefore, I feel I should've been compensated for GFE services instead of a basic FS (which for me is just a CBJ and positions of your choice. No extras). He was fully aware, before arriving, of my services (levels of service) and donations for said services because we spoke via text and I referred him to my website to help him with his decision.

This is the SECOND time one of my Jacksonville regulars has shorted me on my donations. I caught the first one as he was about to wash up to begin, and when confronted, he just looked at me like "take it or leave it, that's all I have. ". With me. Unless you are the one offering services, you do not have the right to decide / edit / alter my donations to your preferences! My donations are always clearly stated in EVERY ad I post. Therefore, things like this should never occur. If you don't have what I'm asking, don't call me! If you're a quick cummer, and round 2 takes a while. Rub one out before coming to see me! Or schedule an appointment appropriate to allow you time to do your business. But don't ever short me because you don't have what I'm asking, or if you don't fulfill your time. I NEVER have and never will rush anyone through sessions with me. In saying all of that, I'm going to say this. What you ask for is what you pay for!! My room is not a strip club where you negotiate $$ in the champagne room and Ms. Kitty is not on a food stamp / government cell phone plan, where you just pay for what you use. NO! I have donations listed by tiers and increments. Pick what tier / increment you want and pay for it!

I'm sorry that these girls are ripping you guys off, imo they're some real idiots! I would never stoop so low and risk ruining my okay reputation. Even when I'm done with this business, I would like to leave in good standings. With that being said, if anyone has any plans of seeing me, be prepared to give me my donation before you even take your clothes off. While I understand many may not feel comfortable doing so, you are in my company / space. Therefore, my rules. If at any time you want to leave PRIOR to beginning the date, you may do so with your donations (without a problem) I have turned away clients and given them their donations back without a problem, and I've had had guys prepay me for dates in order to help me get to their city and each and every one will tell you, I always hold true to end of the deal.

If anybody has any questions or comments, feel free to PM me.To answer your phone but it's like trying to get the president to answer!

[YoungRestless]

You read correctly. I've been reading that a lot of providers (some with good reps) have been staging cash and dash's. Unfortunately, the shoe is on the other foot this time. I was scammed by a reputable hobbyists, who was also a 2 year regular of mines.

Yesterday I saw a client I have been seeing for almost 2 years. After 1st requesting a 1 hr date, he changed to a 30 min GFE date upon arrival, which I was okay with. He arrived, dis-robed and hopped in the bed. I noticed that he didn't give my donation upfront, but I didn't mention it right away because I have seen him several times before. Never had any issues with him, and after reading about you guys being ripped off so much, I didn't want to give any red flags (I I didn't want to kill the mood). Shortly into the date he finishes, cleans up, drops the donation and leaves. After counting and seeing I was paid way less than my base GFE donation for the time / companionship he requested, I texted him, and explained to him that he didn't give me the correct donation. He replies, well I thought that was fair considering the situation. ? My response in a nut shell was, NO! #1) My GFE donations begin at 120/30 min, and you requested a 30 min GFE date. #2) It is not my fault you fired of your first shot before you even had a chance to enter the magical kingdom! The condom was opened / ready before I even touched you, I even offered round 2 WHILE playing with your member who was still half awake and YOU declined. #3) If you had already gave my donation, were you going to ask / take back some of the donation, because you don't have dick control? NO! Therefore, you should've given me My donations for what was requested NOT what you felt was necessary because of YOUR short-comings / circumstances. He then replied, offering apologies, saying I was right, and he would bring back the rest later. Obviously, I wouldn't be posting this if he had kept his word.

I'm sorry that these girls are ripping you guys off, imo they're some real idiots! I would never stoop so low and risk ruining my okay reputation. Even when I'm done with this business, I would like to leave in good standings. With that being said, if anyone has any plans of seeing me, be prepared to give me my donation before you even take your clothes off. While I understand many may not feel comfortable doing so, you are in my company / space. Therefore, my rules. If at any time you want to leave PRIOR to beginning the date, you may do so with your donations (without a problem) I have turned away clients and given them their donations back without a problem, and I've had had guys prepay me for dates in order to help me get to their city and each and every one will tell you, I always hold true to end of the deal.

If anybody has any questions or comments, feel free to PM me.Pristine,

I know part of the reason you don't like to touch the money when clients come see you is because if it does turn out to be a sting, it allows you a certain amount of protection, I. E. LEO can't say you accepted the money and counted it, etc. Unfortunately, this will set you up to be robbed as you have already experienced. Here is what I'd do: in my ad, I would continue to discuss what my donation is for services and one of few smart things you say in your ad is that you don't discuss the donation or service details. Regarding the donation, I would say in my ad that you would like for them to place your donation in the bathroom (in a pre-placed basket, for example). This way, you can tell them you'd like to freshen up in the bathroom before you get started. This will allow you to go into the bathroom, shut the door, lock it; now you have privacy; now you can count the donation out of their sight to see if it's what you agreed upon and put it away. In other words, they don't have to see you count or touch donation in their presence. That would be my methodology. I wouldn't trust other providers doing this but with your reviews, guys might allow you this leeway.

[JaxBig76]

Pristine,

I know part of the reason you don't like to touch the money when clients come see you is because if it does turn out to be a sting, it allows you a certain amount of protection, I. E. LEO can't say you accepted the money and counted it, etc. Unfortunately, this will set you up to be robbed as you have already experienced. Here is what I'd do: in my ad, I would continue to discuss what my donation is for services and one of few smart things you say in your ad is that you don't discuss the donation or service details. Regarding the donation, I would say in my ad that you would like for them to place your donation in the bathroom (in a pre-placed basket, for example). This way, you can tell them you'd like to freshen up in the bathroom before you get started. This will allow you to go into the bathroom, shut the door, lock it; now you have privacy; now you can count the donation out of their sight to see if it's what you agreed upon and put it away. In other words, they don't have to see you count or touch donation in their presence. That would be my methodology. I wouldn't trust other providers doing this but with your reviews, guys might allow you this leeway.I wonder why they do not just sale T-shirts for example. Red shirt is 15 min. Price, Blue shirt is 30 min. Price, Green shirt is the 1 hour price. You are not buying sex you are buying a T-shirt and now that you have purchased it, she instantly get horny and would like to have casual legal sex between two adult as a thank you. Any lawyer in the house see a whole in this defense.

[PristineChase]

To answer your phone but it's like trying to get the president to answer!I don't see but so many friends a day. I'm here til Friday, PM me or text me so I'll know your # and I'll make sure I answer you.

[PristineChase]

Pristine,

I know part of the reason you don't like to touch the money when clients come see you is because if it does turn out to be a sting, it allows you a certain amount of protection, I. E. LEO can't say you accepted the money and counted it, etc. Unfortunately, this will set you up to be robbed as you have already experienced. Here is what I'd do: in my ad, I would continue to discuss what my donation is for services and one of few smart things you say in your ad is that you don't discuss the donation or service details. Regarding the donation, I would say in my ad that you would like for them to place your donation in the bathroom (in a pre-placed basket, for example). This way, you can tell them you'd like to freshen up in the bathroom before you get started. This will allow you to go into the bathroom, shut the door, lock it; now you have privacy; now you can count the donation out of their sight to see if it's what you agreed upon and put it away. In other words, they don't have to see you count or touch donation in their presence. That would be my methodology. I wouldn't trust other providers doing this but with your reviews, guys might allow you this leeway.I'm glad you understand the whole "not discussing $$ or services" thing. However, guys don't respect that and call asking "what can I get for $xx" or they'll make the date then before hanging up, the ask the donations. Either way, I always end up hanging up. It makes me uncomfortable. I've been busted twice, so I'm super cautious and too many guys don't understand that. I enjoy this business, it has carried me through rough times but I have no desire to develop a criminal record from it. I'm not going to be in this hobby forever, I'm going to want a "real" job, to go back to college and have a basic life (one day) but I'm already a little embarrassed to even try to pursue those things because of my criminal past. As far as the whole donation in the bathroom, I already (kinda) do that. I prefer my donation be placed on the dresser or nightstand and require my suitors to freshen up / wash hands and gargle mouthwash upon arrival, and that's when I count in private and put it away. I have ways of screening most calls even if the caller doesn't want to provide the info, and many volunteer their board or employment information and are more than happy to help in anyway to get thru the process. My mistake was trusting a regular friend to be honest and do what's right.

[PristineChase]

Pristine,

I know part of the reason you don't like to touch the money when clients come see you is because if it does turn out to be a sting, it allows you a certain amount of protection, I. E. LEO can't say you accepted the money and counted it, etc. Unfortunately, this will set you up to be robbed as you have already experienced. Here is what I'd do: in my ad, I would continue to discuss what my donation is for services and one of few smart things you say in your ad is that you don't discuss the donation or service details. Regarding the donation, I would say in my ad that you would like for them to place your donation in the bathroom (in a pre-placed basket, for example). This way, you can tell them you'd like to freshen up in the bathroom before you get started. This will allow you to go into the bathroom, shut the door, lock it; now you have privacy; now you can count the donation out of their sight to see if it's what you agreed upon and put it away. In other words, they don't have to see you count or touch donation in their presence. That would be my methodology. I wouldn't trust other providers doing this but with your reviews, guys might allow you this leeway.The easiest way to schedule with me is via e-mail. I've been told I sound un-pleasant on the phone so I'm slowly converting to email or booking thru my website only so I won't keep scaring off my suitors (LOL), I've been testing out texting and so far, so good. I'm not so "open" and cheerful during (every) phone convo, just like any other human I have issues and things going on in my personal life that gets to me and cloud my mind. Almost anybody who has seen me, knows my troubles, but sometimes all it takes is a visit to get my head back in the game. Many of the guys who have reviewed me (USNEN said it best) will tell anyone I'm like a sour patch kid. First I'm sour (the phone convo), then I'm sweet (I relax upon arrival / commencement of ceremonies). For some reason, I'm turned on by men who aren't easily phased by my demeanor, dominant men who don't mind giving me an attitude adjustment. I'm weird like that.

[PristineChase]

I wonder why they do not just sale T-shirts for example. Red shirt is 15 min. Price, Blue shirt is 30 min. Price, Green shirt is the 1 hour price. You are not buying sex you are buying a T-shirt and now that you have purchased it, she instantly get horny and would like to have casual legal sex between two adult as a thank you. Any lawyer in the house see a whole in this defense.I think I might test that out.

[The Preacher]

I wonder why they do not just sale T-shirts for example. Red shirt is 15 min. Price, Blue shirt is 30 min. Price, Green shirt is the 1 hour price. You are not buying sex you are buying a T-shirt and now that you have purchased it, she instantly get horny and would like to have casual legal sex between two adult as a thank you. Any lawyer in the house see a whole in this defense.Genius!

I am curious about this Pristine person. I will have to find an ad for her to see if she would be a good candidate for a special visit from ThePreacher. .

[YoungRestless]

I'm glad you understand the whole "not discussing $$ or services" thing. However, guys don't respect that and call asking "what can I get for $xx" or they'll make the date then before hanging up, the ask the donations. Either way, I always end up hanging up. It makes me uncomfortable. I've been busted twice, so I'm super cautious and too many guys don't understand that. I enjoy this business, it has carried me through rough times but I have no desire to develop a criminal record from it. I'm not going to be in this hobby forever, I'm going to want a "real" job, to go back to college and have a basic life (one day) but I'm already a little embarrassed to even try to pursue those things because of my criminal past. As far as the whole donation in the bathroom, I already (kinda) do that. I prefer my donation be placed on the dresser or nightstand and require my suitors to freshen up / wash hands and gargle mouthwash upon arrival, and that's when I count in private and put it away. I have ways of screening most calls even if the caller doesn't want to provide the info, and many volunteer their board or employment information and are more than happy to help in anyway to get thru the process. My mistake was trusting a regular friend to be honest and do what's right.

This is the main reason why I try to educate girls about the importance of NOT discussing service details. People must understand that a criminal history will fruck up your future in more ways than one. You're a young woman and you should be very concerned about your future. As you so eloquently mentioned and I have also said this to many ladies, one day you might want to stop doing this escort thing, go to college and get a decent job; put all this behind you. You don't want the remnants of this hobby to come back to bite you in your future. We live in a very judgmental country and they do hold this stuff against you. A lot of people (especially the providers) don't know that in your life time, really depends on the state you got caught in a sting, you can only seal one criminal record. Unfortunately, states like New York, last I heard, you can't EVER seal a record which means potential employers get to see your past for the rest of your life! Most people aren't interested in having this conversation but will realize how important it is when they are out trying to find a job but keep getting turned down because of their criminal history. Care now so you won't have to pay for ignorance later! Anyway sweetheart, it's all about protecting you! What do I mean by this. When silly guys call or text or whatever medium they chose and start discussing service details and money, I'd hang up or stop communicating with them in a heartbeat. Now don't misunderstand me, some guys just don't know any better; but their IGNORANCE isn't your problems. No sense in you getting jammed up because they don't know any better. When you place your donation in your ad, this is very smart because it removes the need to talk about donations. Of course in your ad (not sure you do this) but I always tell girls to say the donation is for my time and companionship ONLY. Now, I'm going to put my next recommendation by itself so other women can also understand:

However way you want to identify this in your ad (for example #1 or letter A, etc.) but definitely the first line in the ad so they (clients) see it immediately, I would say: (A) or (1) I do not discuss service details in person, on the phone, via text or email. If you do, I will immediately END the session!

The reason I did it like this is because many girls tend to write a lot of USELESS verbiage in their ad's. Most people aren't going to read a lot of verbiage anyway as this is not a reading course. The verbiage should be as sparse as possible. Never say too much but enough to PROTECT you! Most ad's talk about how wonderful and great they are and how you will be calling their name forever! Truth of the matter is, most don't live up to the hype! If a girl is that great, let it be known in your actions not your words (Most guys are only concerned about seeing nice pix, donations, and a contact number; the rest is rubbish)! The above would be the first line I place in my ad; in fact, in the subject heading, I might say," please READ letter A or number 1 first before you contact me. This way, they will understand RIGHT AWAY how biz is to be conducted. I try to tell guys on here that their first appointment with a girl SHOULD NOT consist of discussing service details. Let that be either in your second meeting or after the ceremony of the first meeting because you put these ladies in some very DIFFICULT predicaments when you try to make them discuss service details. In most cases, we know if a lady is legit (like Pristine, by her reviews) but they don't know if we are legit, so I think we should work with them in this way. Plus, this will keep you guys out of jail as well. Some of the girls we see, in fact most, don't have reviews so WHY are we trying to get a list of sex do and don'ts from them in a first conversation? You are potentially incriminating yourself!

Anyway, sorry to rant a bit here but it's important we all stay safe as one day we are going to want to walk away from this so-called hobby and when you do, what will be on your record? How badly did you mess up your future job prospects? There was a guy on the SWer thread who picked up a girl and went to a certain location with her. Once there, they commenced to doing their thing. LEO came upon them and before they were made to vacate the car, the SWer threw her drugs in his back seat. The gentleman said now he is out of tens of thousands of dollars trying to clear his name now and the girl did not own up to the drugs being hers! Wonder why not?! Do you blame her? Pristine and others who might read this, PROTECT yourself! Look out for number one; YOU! Unfortunately, much of this advice falls on deaf ears! If it will help, as far as my credibility is concerned, I have been in about 5 prostitution stings and have never gotten arrested for solicitation. Why? Because I knew what to do and what not to do! I just didn't get away by chance ya know!

I don't tell people these things because I'm happy about what I do. I tell them these things because, as I mentioned, one day when I walk away from this, I don't want any remnants of it to affect my life forever!

[PristineChase]

What ever happened to Meet & Greets? This used to be a great way for hobbyists and providers to network. I've enrolled at the AIU-Online for Event Management / Planning and will be done in December, therefore done with the hobby (the provider part at least). Maybe hosting Meet & Greets can be my way of staying connected to the hobby. I love planning / decorating parties / events and I don't care what anyone says, I LOVE this business. I've tried to quit many times but I just can't let go. I've helped a well known Carolina hobbyist and very dear friend (Hobbyexec) host a few in the carolinas and they were fun & beneficial. Would Jacksonville men be interested in attending meet & greets? Inbox me your feelings.

[Voltron94]

I wonder why they do not just sale T-shirts for example. Red shirt is 15 min. Price, Blue shirt is 30 min. Price, Green shirt is the 1 hour price. You are not buying sex you are buying a T-shirt and now that you have purchased it, she instantly get horny and would like to have casual legal sex between two adult as a thank you. Any lawyer in the house see a whole in this defense.So you could probably post an ad saying the shirt colors and prices, and clients could figure it out by the ranges. But how would anyone know what is on the menu? And why is a travelling t-shirt salesperson posting ads with escort ads? And why are cheap plain t-shirts so much money? And why does the t-shirt salesperson have condoms & lube? And why are they selling to clients one-on-one out of a hotel, instead of a shop, or online? And why do t-shirt sales take 15-60 minutes, when there are only 3 shirts? The whole front falls apart under scrutiny.

The sugar baby thing is really the best front for pay-for-play there is, because it is virtually indistinguishable from a dating relationship. It plays in the grey area. The only way to get busted on that is an outright discussion of pay-for-play terms being recorded or documented.

Massage therapy, stripping, nude modeling, & boudoir photography can also be decent fronts. If you're going the travelling salesperson route, I'd suggest something like lingerie & sex toys. At least then you could explain the presence of condoms & lube, the need for discreet / private meetings, incall / outcall meetings, and even ad placement. The provider could even have a "sales kit" for modeling & demonstration, and clients simply place orders with her. Any explicit discussion of menu & pricing could still bury you though.

[ThePrivAsst]

Talk to the ladies and gents organizing them in bigger hobby cities right now and see what they're saying. There are a lot of upfront costs that may not be recuperated. In my experience attending M&G's in the last year, the Jacksonville market will not have enough participants. It's hard enough funding a tour sometimes. I wouldn't want to lose money on an event.

For hobbyists who don't know, Atlanta event entries start at $45+. Central / South Florida, NY, DC, and Boston start at $100. For that you get to meet in a private setting, have a little food, drink, maybe complimentary alcohol, and a chance to meet ladies over a 3-4 hour period. (Just talk. Nothing explicit occurs.) You get screened. The ladies are reputable and get screened too. Everything costs the host time and money before the first guest has even arrived. If you've planned a party at a private venue in Jacksonville, you'll have an idea of the costs of organizing one of these.


What ever happened to Meet & Greets? This used to be a great way for hobbyists and providers to network. I've enrolled at the AIU-Online for Event Management / Planning and will be done in December, therefore done with the hobby (the provider part at least). Maybe hosting Meet & Greets can be my way of staying connected to the hobby. I love planning / decorating parties / events and I don't care what anyone says, I LOVE this business. I've tried to quit many times but I just can't let go. I've helped a well known Carolina hobbyist and very dear friend (Hobbyexec) host a few in the carolinas and they were fun & beneficial. Would Jacksonville men be interested in attending meet & greets? Inbox me your feelings.

[TallBear]

I have long wondered why more people don't take advantage of the artistic exception. Apparently you can contract for sex acts if you record them. Get a business license as a production company, have some bullshit model releases on hand, set up a camera & have at it. Viola! Constitutionally protected "speech"!

There has got to be something wrong with this idea, right? Could it really be that easy?

Wondering aloud here.

[Voltron94]

I have long wondered why more people don't take advantage of the artistic exception. Apparently you can contract for sex acts if you record them. Get a business license as a production company, have some bullshit model releases on hand, set up a camera & have at it. Viola! Constitutionally protected "speech"!

There has got to be something wrong with this idea, right? Could it really be that easy?

Wondering aloud here.Producing pornography is illegal in most areas of the country, and heavily regulated in areas where it is legal.

Not to mention that pornography is a terrible front. Why? For starters, porn is far more lucrative business than escorts. Secondly, because providers & clients value discretion. What happens when the cops raid a room and your forms are full of fake info and there is no footage on the camera?

[FearTheSpear]

This is the main reason why I try to educate girls about the importance of NOT discussing service details. People must understand that a criminal history will fruck up your future in more ways than one. You're a young woman and you should be very concerned about your future. As you so eloquently mentioned and I have also said this to many ladies, one day you might want to stop doing this escort thing, go to college and get a decent job; put all this behind you. You don't want the remnants of this hobby to come back to bite you in your future. We live in a very judgmental country and they do hold this stuff against you. A lot of people (especially the providers) don't know that in your life time, really depends on the state you got caught in a sting, you can only seal one criminal record. Unfortunately, states like New York, last I heard, you can't EVER seal a record which means potential employers get to see your past for the rest of your life! Most people aren't interested in having this conversation but will realize how important it is when they are out trying to find a job but keep getting turned down because of their criminal history. Care now so you won't have to pay for ignorance later! Anyway sweetheart, it's all about protecting you! What do I mean by this. When silly guys call or text or whatever medium they chose and start discussing service details and money, I'd hang up or stop communicating with them in a heartbeat. Now don't misunderstand me, some guys just don't know any better; but their IGNORANCE isn't your problems. No sense in you getting jammed up because they don't know any better. When you place your donation in your ad, this is very smart because it removes the need to talk about donations. Of course in your ad (not sure you do this) but I always tell girls to say the donation is for my time and companionship ONLY. Now, I'm going to put my next recommendation by itself so other women can also understand:

However way you want to identify this in your ad (for example #1 or letter A, etc.) but definitely the first line in the ad so they (clients) see it immediately, I would say: (A) or (1) I do not discuss service details in person, on the phone, via text or email. If you do, I will immediately END the session!

The reason I did it like this is because many girls tend to write a lot of USELESS verbiage in their ad's. Most people aren't going to read a lot of verbiage anyway as this is not a reading course. The verbiage should be as sparse as possible. Never say too much but enough to PROTECT you! Most ad's talk about how wonderful and great they are and how you will be calling their name forever! Truth of the matter is, most don't live up to the hype! If a girl is that great, let it be known in your actions not your words (Most guys are only concerned about seeing nice pix, donations, and a contact number; the rest is rubbish)! The above would be the first line I place in my ad; in fact, in the subject heading, I might say," please READ letter A or number 1 first before you contact me. This way, they will understand RIGHT AWAY how biz is to be conducted. I try to tell guys on here that their first appointment with a girl SHOULD NOT consist of discussing service details. Let that be either in your second meeting or after the ceremony of the first meeting because you put these ladies in some very DIFFICULT predicaments when you try to make them discuss service details. In most cases, we know if a lady is legit (like Pristine, by her reviews) but they don't know if we are legit, so I think we should work with them in this way. Plus, this will keep you guys out of jail as well. Some of the girls we see, in fact most, don't have reviews so WHY are we trying to get a list of sex do and don'ts from them in a first conversation? You are potentially incriminating yourself!

Anyway, sorry to rant a bit here but it's important we all stay safe as one day we are going to want to walk away from this so-called hobby and when you do, what will be on your record? How badly did you mess up your future job prospects? There was a guy on the SWer thread who picked up a girl and went to a certain location with her. Once there, they commenced to doing their thing. LEO came upon them and before they were made to vacate the car, the SWer threw her drugs in his back seat. The gentleman said now he is out of tens of thousands of dollars trying to clear his name now and the girl did not own up to the drugs being hers! Wonder why not?! Do you blame her? Pristine and others who might read this, PROTECT yourself! Look out for number one; YOU! Unfortunately, much of this advice falls on deaf ears! If it will help, as far as my credibility is concerned, I have been in about 5 prostitution stings and have never gotten arrested for solicitation. Why? Because I knew what to do and what not to do! I just didn't get away by chance ya know!

I don't tell people these things because I'm happy about what I do. I tell them these things because, as I mentioned, one day when I walk away from this, I don't want any remnants of it to affect my life forever!Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.

Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.

[YoungRestless]

I have long wondered why more people don't take advantage of the artistic exception. Apparently you can contract for sex acts if you record them. Get a business license as a production company, have some bullshit model releases on hand, set up a camera & have at it. Viola! Constitutionally protected "speech"!

There has got to be something wrong with this idea, right? Could it really be that easy?

Wondering aloud here.The legislatures are always creating loopholes in these here laws so sounds like a way to circumvent the law to me (legally, that is)!

[YoungRestless]

So you could probably post an ad saying the shirt colors and prices, and clients could figure it out by the ranges. But how would anyone know what is on the menu? And why is a travelling t-shirt salesperson posting ads with escort ads? And why are cheap plain t-shirts so much money? And why does the t-shirt salesperson have condoms & lube? And why are they selling to clients one-on-one out of a hotel, instead of a shop, or online? And why do t-shirt sales take 15-60 minutes, when there are only 3 shirts? The whole front falls apart under scrutiny.

The sugar baby thing is really the best front for pay-for-play there is, because it is virtually indistinguishable from a dating relationship. It plays in the grey area. The only way to get busted on that is an outright discussion of pay-for-play terms being recorded or documented.

Massage therapy, stripping, nude modeling, & boudoir photography can also be decent fronts. If you're going the travelling salesperson route, I'd suggest something like lingerie & sex toys. At least then you could explain the presence of condoms & lube, the need for discreet / private meetings, incall / outcall meetings, and even ad placement. The provider could even have a "sales kit" for modeling & demonstration, and clients simply place orders with her. Any explicit discussion of menu & pricing could still bury you though.They try to create, it's funny that most of them (escorts) don't get the most basic method of avoiding an arrest for prostitution. It's simple: don't discuss ANY TYPE of sex act for money or something of monetary value. This is by far the best way (not necessarily fool-proof) to avoid such problems because even if LEO arrest you anyway, if you hire any attorney worth their salt, they can get it thrown out. No prosecutor wants to take a weak as hens piss case to trial knowing the outcome very well favors the defendant. This they (providers) never seem to get!

[PristineChase]

Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.

Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.Okay. He wasn't a random dipshit jackass, he was one of my regulars for 2 years and saw me almost everytime I visited. He was a really good client until he made this bad decision. But my my question is. How does a negative review from 2013 make it okay for a 2 year regular or anybody for that matter, to short me on my compensation?? He requested a 30 min GFE date and that's what he got. ? This guy has even posted reviews on me here and another site recommending you guys to see me. ?

I (personally) never discuss any sexual acts or services upfront because I have a website that provides a description of what is included in my sessions, Therefore eliminating the need to discuss them. I can't speak for other providers, but ever since my misfortunes, I keep a descriptive website and share the link in my ads. Don't know if you even ever saw my ads, but if you have then you would see what I mean, But whaddya know? Guys STILL don't take the time to visit the site and call me with incriminating questions anyway. Once you get busted (and eventually you will, discussing sexual acts) you will understand the need to be cautious.

Example: http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ur-temp0rary-girlfriend-xoxo-reviewed-and-recommended-u-r-r/7676762.

As far as Hounds88 review, take it however you please. I don't think you took the time to fully research me and read ALL of my reviews, before making that statement. Of all the reviews I have on well known reputable sites, please tell me how many more reviews did you find of gentlemen claiming to be dissatisfied with my companionship?? Very very few!! I have seen clients and provided VIP / Fetish sessions at FS donations. I have had clients who have scheduled with me / paid for dinner dates and end up staying the night (on me)! I'm not the average provider, I like to indulge myself from time to time. This was just not something I was open and willing to indulge in! He had a clear understanding as to what my PSE sessions included prior to even confirming his appointment. My website at that time (and always have been) had a page dedicated to describing my different tiers of services (FS, GFE, PSE) and even listed the types of fetishes I engage in. Nowhere on that list was greek mentioned, so it is not my fault he assumed my PSE sessions included something that was never mention in my list of services on my site and tried to TALK me into it while we were in action and I declined. But trust me he did indeed receive every service that WAS mentioned in my PSE description. !

I'm actually kinda happy you opted not to request my services. I feel like you think your rules and requirements are far more important than the rules / protocols of the provider of who's time you are requesting, and it's your way or the highway. That doesn't work well with me. If you can't respect the provider's wishes, even if she does has 50 million good reviews, then you shouldn't waste her time.

[PristineChase]

Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.

Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.I apologize for that comment. I got a little catty, as women sometimes tend to do and I responded out of frustration that you thought the situation was okay. Spear. I just noticed you have been on this board for only a few months, You haven't posted ANY reviews. Just piggy backed and commented on others posts. With all due respect, I would prefer to hear only from the well-standing hobbyists of this community, because they're really who matters. This is one of the most active boards in this area, which is why I posted this issue here and I care only to hear from the regulars of this site and get some insight as to how I can maintain an intimate environment when handling donations. You have no presence on this board, therefore I have no interest at all in your thoughts or ideas concerning this matter. When you post some reviews and gain some credibility here, then I will consider your opinions. Once again, I apologize to you and the community. Your response should not have frustrated me.

[TallBear]

Producing pornography is illegal in most areas of the country, and heavily regulated in areas where it is legal.

Not to mention that pornography is a terrible front. Why? For starters, porn is far more lucrative business than escorts. Secondly, because providers & clients value discretion. What happens when the cops raid a room and your forms are full of fake info and there is no footage on the camera?Just curious. My understanding is that Florida is second only to California in the production of pornography.

And, uh, yeah, you would want to turn the cameras on.

Speaking of which, does anyone know anything about the "personal pornography" outfit that used to operate in (of all places) Callahan? As I understand it, the recording was yours to keep, not for distribution, & the damage was about a grand a pop.

I've got a friend with benefits in another state who does some "mature" porn & gets $1000 - $1500 per shoot. She insists that it is all perfectly legal & is nothing like being an escort, but except for the pay scale, it seems like a fine distinction to me.

[Red Talon]

Okay. He wasn't a random dipshit jackass, he was one of my regulars for 2 years and saw me almost everytime I visited. He was a really good client until he made this bad decision. But my my question is. How does a negative review from 2013 make it okay for a 2 year regular or anybody for that matter, to short me on my compensation?? He requested a 30 min GFE date and that's what he got. ? This guy has even posted reviews on me here and another site recommending you guys to see me. ?

I (personally) never discuss any sexual acts or services upfront because I have a website that provides a description of what is included in my sessions, Therefore eliminating the need to discuss them. I can't speak for other providers, but ever since my misfortunes, I keep a descriptive website and share the link in my ads. Don't know if you even ever saw my ads, but if you have then you would see what I mean, But whaddya know? Guys STILL don't take the time to visit the site and call me with incriminating questions anyway. Once you get busted (and eventually you will, discussing sexual acts) you will understand the need to be cautious.

Example: http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ur-temp0rary-girlfriend-xoxo-reviewed-and-recommended-u-r-r/7676762.

As far as Hounds88 review, take it however you please. I don't think you took the time to fully research me and read ALL of my reviews, before making that statement. Of all the reviews I have on well known reputable sites, please tell me how many more reviews did you find of gentlemen claiming to be dissatisfied with my companionship?? Very very few!! I have seen clients and provided VIP / Fetish sessions at FS donations. I have had clients who have scheduled with me / paid for dinner dates and end up staying the night (on me)! I'm not the average provider, I like to indulge myself from time to time. This was just not something I was open and willing to indulge in! He had a clear understanding as to what my PSE sessions included prior to even confirming his appointment. My website at that time (and always have been) had a page dedicated to describing my different tiers of services (FS, GFE, PSE) and even listed the types of fetishes I engage in. Nowhere on that list was greek mentioned, so it is not my fault he assumed my PSE sessions included something that was never mention in my list of services on my site and tried to TALK me into it while we were in action and I declined. But trust me he did indeed receive every service that WAS mentioned in my PSE description. !

I'm actually kinda happy you opted not to request my services. I feel like you think your rules and requirements are far more important than the rules / protocols of the provider of who's time you are requesting, and it's your way or the highway. That doesn't work well with me. If you can't respect the provider's wishes, even if she does has 50 million good reviews, then you shouldn't waste her time.Just to be clear and upfront, I'm not taking sides here. I'm just going to give my rambling, incoherent opinion. In business there is an inherent risk for bad debt as you can't be 100% sure you will collect all monies due. We all assume some form of risk in this "business". The hobbyist side risks STD's, getting ripped off, loss of home life and possibly much worse. The providers risk their health, getting ripped off or even much, much worse as in loss of life. I've been in the hobby for 15+ years and sometimes I'm told I'm almost too over the top when I protect my privacy and health and have only been ripped off twice for a total of $200. But, you know what? I consider myself fortunate that nothing worse has happened.

Long post short, the pain of losing part of a donation pales in the comparison to anything else that could happen. Chalk it up to the economy being horribly bad, say thanks for your health and well being and move on with life. Blackball this guy even if he makes it right as he will just see other providers so he won't learn a lesson. The sun is shining, enjoy the beautiful day!

[YoungRestless]

Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.

Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.

Your comparison between a conversation about job salaries and benefits versus a conversation with a lady about sex acts is not even close to being comparable (apples to oranges). Number one, there is nothing illegal about a conversation around benefits / salaries, etc. However, so you know, IT IS illegal in many parts of this country to pay for sex. Now, I'd rather lose $60-100 and not go to jail versus not only lose, let's say $80, but my freedom too. Hell, I'd rather lose $500 than to face that BRUTAL legal system and it will not be kind to you! When you can't get certain jobs, can't get into certain college programs, obtain certain professional licenses, can't live in certain areas as some landlords do background checks too; you WILL KNOW how much damage you've done to yourself because you refuse to risk losing $60-80 or whatever. Because once you give that UNDERCOVER that $80 or whatever you agreed upon (after your sex conversation), that won't be the only thing you lose. You WILL go to jail for having a discussion about sex and money then the cost to hire an attorney, bail, then possibly lose your job (as many have) will certainly be more costly than the $80 you might lose. You cannot have a short sighted view of this thing. You have got to think about safety and your future first! Like I said, I am not sure how long you've been doing this but know this, being an active participant in this so-called hobby will FRUCK you up and that's a promise; not from Allstate but from law enforcement! We should all try to pick a girl as carefully as possible but even then, too many variables may still lead to a so so session. Remember, a LEO woman will always try to get you to incriminate yourself (VERBALLY) and will not get naked or anything close to that.

But hey, before you decide to go down the road of your choice, my advice is that you make out a comparison table: a) my method versus b) your method. Under my method, you stand to lose whatever amount you paid for the session; let's say, $80; with your method, providing she is an undercover vice, not only will you lose the $80 but all the other things I listed at the top (loss of job, attorney fees, bail, IN ADDITION- sealing / expungement services, and family in some cases); accumulatively speaking, these services can run you an easy $4000 and we haven't even talked about the embarrassment you will have to face. Just loss of job alone may cause you to have to take a job at McDonald's! You may go from making $80,000 a year to way less than 1/2 that! There was a coach at Bishop Kenny who got caught up in a sting and of course he can't ever teach around kids again plus all the other repercussions of his actions. He probably had the same mentality as yourself- having a discussion about sex and money! Whenever I've had conversations with LEO in the past, I always deflect sexual conversations but they try whatever they can to get me to talk dumb shet! Anyway, buddy, it's your choice. I'd much rather lose 80 than several thousand dollars and then some. Remember this too, in your lifetime, you can only get ONE record sealed. So if you have another arrest record that is causing you to have difficulty obtaining employment, then you get arrested for this thing, you now must decide which to seal- but one of the 2 will still be visible! Like I said, this so-called hobby has the potential to FRUCK your life up forever! This is the purpose of not getting into details with a provider. Even if LEO did still arrest you (and you did not discuss sex and money), the likelihood that you will get off is very strong with a decent attorney. I always say don't hand LEO your azz on a golden platter but hey, have it your way! It's sho life! Have your discussion but like the young lady said, your day IS coming!

[The Preacher]

Okay. He wasn't a random dipshit jackass, he was one of my regulars for 2 years and saw me almost everytime I visited. He was a really good client until he made this bad decision. But my my question is. How does a negative review from 2013 make it okay for a 2 year regular or anybody for that matter, to short me on my compensation?? He requested a 30 min GFE date and that's what he got. ? This guy has even posted reviews on me here and another site recommending you guys to see me. ?

I (personally) never discuss any sexual acts or services upfront because I have a website that provides a description of what is included in my sessions, Therefore eliminating the need to discuss them. I can't speak for other providers, but ever since my misfortunes, I keep a descriptive website and share the link in my ads. Don't know if you even ever saw my ads, but if you have then you would see what I mean, But whaddya know? Guys STILL don't take the time to visit the site and call me with incriminating questions anyway. Once you get busted (and eventually you will, discussing sexual acts) you will understand the need to be cautious.

Example: http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ur-temp0rary-girlfriend-xoxo-reviewed-and-recommended-u-r-r/7676762.

As far as Hounds88 review, take it however you please. I don't think you took the time to fully research me and read ALL of my reviews, before making that statement. Of all the reviews I have on well known reputable sites, please tell me how many more reviews did you find of gentlemen claiming to be dissatisfied with my companionship?? Very very few!! I have seen clients and provided VIP / Fetish sessions at FS donations. I have had clients who have scheduled with me / paid for dinner dates and end up staying the night (on me)! I'm not the average provider, I like to indulge myself from time to time. This was just not something I was open and willing to indulge in! He had a clear understanding as to what my PSE sessions included prior to even confirming his appointment. My website at that time (and always have been) had a page dedicated to describing my different tiers of services (FS, GFE, PSE) and even listed the types of fetishes I engage in. Nowhere on that list was greek mentioned, so it is not my fault he assumed my PSE sessions included something that was never mention in my list of services on my site and tried to TALK me into it while we were in action and I declined. But trust me he did indeed receive every service that WAS mentioned in my PSE description. !

I'm actually kinda happy you opted not to request my services. I feel like you think your rules and requirements are far more important than the rules / protocols of the provider of who's time you are requesting, and it's your way or the highway. That doesn't work well with me. If you can't respect the provider's wishes, even if she does has 50 million good reviews, then you shouldn't waste her time.Aww damn. This is your last day? I will definitely have to catch up with you next time. .

As far as your situation, obviously that dude was a dumbass. Fucking up the game for those of us who play by the rules of business. And that's exactly what it is. A business. If services requested are services rendered, then the agreed upon price AND experience are non-negotiable. It would be like going into the Apple Store, asking for an iPhone 6, then only leaving enough cash for an iPhone 4. "You know you don't fucked up now right?

LOL.

[FearTheSpear]

Your comparison between a conversation about job salaries and benefits versus a conversation with a lady about sex acts is not even close to being comparable (apples to oranges). Number one, there is nothing illegal about a conversation around benefits / salaries, etc. However, so you know, IT IS illegal in many parts of this country to pay for sex. Now, I'd rather lose $60-100 and not go to jail versus not only lose, let's say $80, but my freedom too. Hell, I'd rather lose $500 than to face that BRUTAL legal system and it will not be kind to you! When you can't get certain jobs, can't get into certain college programs, obtain certain professional licenses, can't live in certain areas as some landlords do background checks too; you WILL KNOW how much damage you've done to yourself because you refuse to risk losing $60-80 or whatever. Because once you give that UNDERCOVER that $80 or whatever you agreed upon (after your sex conversation), that won't be the only thing you lose. You WILL go to jail for having a discussion about sex and money then the cost to hire an attorney, bail, then possibly lose your job (as many have) will certainly be more costly than the $80 you might lose. You cannot have a short sighted view of this thing. You have got to think about safety and your future first! Like I said, I am not sure how long you've been doing this but know this, being an active participant in this so-called hobby will FRUCK you up and that's a promise; not from Allstate but from law enforcement! We should all try to pick a girl as carefully as possible but even then, too many variables may still lead to a so so session. Remember, a LEO woman will always try to get you to incriminate yourself (VERBALLY) and will not get naked or anything close to that.

But hey, before you decide to go down the road of your choice, my advice is that you make out a comparison table: a) my method versus b) your method. Under my method, you stand to lose whatever amount you paid for the session; let's say, $80; with your method, providing she is an undercover vice, not only will you lose the $80 but all the other things I listed at the top (loss of job, attorney fees, bail, IN ADDITION- sealing / expungement services, and family in some cases); accumulatively speaking, these services can run you an easy $4000 and we haven't even talked about the embarrassment you will have to face. Just loss of job alone may cause you to have to take a job at McDonald's! You may go from making $80,000 a year to way less than 1/2 that! There was a coach at Bishop Kenny who got caught up in a sting and of course he can't ever teach around kids again plus all the other repercussions of his actions. He probably had the same mentality as yourself- having a discussion about sex and money! Whenever I've had conversations with LEO in the past, I always deflect sexual conversations but they try whatever they can to get me to talk dumb shet! Anyway, buddy, it's your choice. I'd much rather lose 80 than several thousand dollars and then some. Remember this too, in your lifetime, you can only get ONE record sealed. So if you have another arrest record that is causing you to have difficulty obtaining employment, then you get arrested for this thing, you now must decide which to seal- but one of the 2 will still be visible! Like I said, this so-called hobby has the potential to FRUCK your life up forever! This is the purpose of not getting into details with a provider. Even if LEO did still arrest you (and you did not discuss sex and money), the likelihood that you will get off is very strong with a decent attorney. I always say don't hand LEO your azz on a golden platter but hey, have it your way! It's sho life! Have your discussion but like the young lady said, your day IS coming!You just HAD to write a long ass thesis statement on the dangers of being trapped up in this game, right?? As if I didn't KNOW any better. Look, I'm not saying you should incriminate yourself. What I'm saying is, there is NO WAY OF KNOWING what services these chics offer compared to what you're looking for! So obviously, you need to ask questions. The questions you ask shouldn't be blatantly obvious, but at least "code word" things so you'll know what she will do & won't do. Then you can decide on whether or not you want to see the chic or find someone else. Just like a job interview. You ask questions to the employer in an effort to determine if what they are willing to offer is something you can accept, should they want to give you the job. No guy in their right mind wants to go into something BLINDLY, not knowing what he will be able to do. For chics that have websites & reviews, you pretty much KNOW what they offer & don't offer. So there is NO NEED to ask questions. But the majority of these chics have no reviews, no websites, no nothing. Some don't even state a donation amt. Bkpg ad says nothing. Soooo, how do you suppose to know what THEY will & won't do if they state nothing in their ad & you don't ask questions (in a coded manner! Ex. Instead of asking do you do anal, you could ask: do you offer trips to Greece? Again, that's going in blindly. Now if you want to be the one to throw your hard earned money out in the wind blindly, hey go ahead, do as you please. Its a free country & the free market reins supreme. But I personally think that's very stupid & have no compassion for you when you've been ripped off by a chic. Can't blame providers when you're the one exercising no caution when it comes to your money!

[FearTheSpear]

I apologize for that comment. I got a little catty, as women sometimes tend to do and I responded out of frustration that you thought the situation was okay. Spear. I just noticed you have been on this board for only a few months, You haven't posted ANY reviews. Just piggy backed and commented on others posts. With all due respect, I would prefer to hear only from the well-standing hobbyists of this community, because they're really who matters. This is one of the most active boards in this area, which is why I posted this issue here and I care only to hear from the regulars of this site and get some insight as to how I can maintain an intimate environment when handling donations. You have no presence on this board, therefore I have no interest at all in your thoughts or ideas concerning this matter. When you post some reviews and gain some credibility here, then I will consider your opinions. Once again, I apologize to you and the community. Your response should not have frustrated me.Can you please explain to me the scientific correlation between my post count & the number of reviews I have posted on here. To the validity of the what I stated?

Also, yeah, when it comes to my money. I've worked, grinded & hustled hard for it!! So my money does matter more than the provider. MONEY OVER BITCHEZ!! If I've worked for it. So do you! I am no ROOKIE to this game, just a rookie on this site, (I have plenty of revieIs on ThE otheR site! Look up JTE29). I don't mean any disrespect, but that's just the way the game is.

[FearTheSpear]

Your comparison between a conversation about job salaries and benefits versus a conversation with a lady about sex acts is not even close to being comparable (apples to oranges). Number one, there is nothing illegal about a conversation around benefits / salaries, etc. However, so you know, IT IS illegal in many parts of this country to pay for sex. Now, I'd rather lose $60-100 and not go to jail versus not only lose, let's say $80, but my freedom too. Hell, I'd rather lose $500 than to face that BRUTAL legal system and it will not be kind to you! When you can't get certain jobs, can't get into certain college programs, obtain certain professional licenses, can't live in certain areas as some landlords do background checks too; you WILL KNOW how much damage you've done to yourself because you refuse to risk losing $60-80 or whatever. Because once you give that UNDERCOVER that $80 or whatever you agreed upon (after your sex conversation), that won't be the only thing you lose. You WILL go to jail for having a discussion about sex and money then the cost to hire an attorney, bail, then possibly lose your job (as many have) will certainly be more costly than the $80 you might lose. You cannot have a short sighted view of this thing. You have got to think about safety and your future first! Like I said, I am not sure how long you've been doing this but know this, being an active participant in this so-called hobby will FRUCK you up and that's a promise; not from Allstate but from law enforcement! We should all try to pick a girl as carefully as possible but even then, too many variables may still lead to a so so session. Remember, a LEO woman will always try to get you to incriminate yourself (VERBALLY) and will not get naked or anything close to that.

But hey, before you decide to go down the road of your choice, my advice is that you make out a comparison table: a) my method versus b) your method. Under my method, you stand to lose whatever amount you paid for the session; let's say, $80; with your method, providing she is an undercover vice, not only will you lose the $80 but all the other things I listed at the top (loss of job, attorney fees, bail, IN ADDITION- sealing / expungement services, and family in some cases); accumulatively speaking, these services can run you an easy $4000 and we haven't even talked about the embarrassment you will have to face. Just loss of job alone may cause you to have to take a job at McDonald's! You may go from making $80,000 a year to way less than 1/2 that! There was a coach at Bishop Kenny who got caught up in a sting and of course he can't ever teach around kids again plus all the other repercussions of his actions. He probably had the same mentality as yourself- having a discussion about sex and money! Whenever I've had conversations with LEO in the past, I always deflect sexual conversations but they try whatever they can to get me to talk dumb shet! Anyway, buddy, it's your choice. I'd much rather lose 80 than several thousand dollars and then some. Remember this too, in your lifetime, you can only get ONE record sealed. So if you have another arrest record that is causing you to have difficulty obtaining employment, then you get arrested for this thing, you now must decide which to seal- but one of the 2 will still be visible! Like I said, this so-called hobby has the potential to FRUCK your life up forever! This is the purpose of not getting into details with a provider. Even if LEO did still arrest you (and you did not discuss sex and money), the likelihood that you will get off is very strong with a decent attorney. I always say don't hand LEO your azz on a golden platter but hey, have it your way! It's sho life! Have your discussion but like the young lady said, your day IS coming!Really?? Like po-po can't bust you UNLESS you ask questions! PLEASE!! You do realize all they need is for you to answer the back page ad, show up, hand over money & start taking your clothes off, right? They got your ass then!

How did you find the chics telephone number? Oh, so you were actively perusing thru the escorts section of backpage looking for pay-for-play, right? Because that is the ONLY way you would have got the chics (decoy) number! How did you know exactly what hotel & room number to come to?? How did you know that she wanted $200 per hour & you just so coincidentally showed up with exactly $200?? Oh, so you just randomly show up at any hotel, pick a room out of the blue & hand over $200 to whoever answers the door, right? Then start getting undressed, right?? ROTFLMAO. As if JSO actually NEED you to ask a question!!

[FearTheSpear]

Okay. He wasn't a random dipshit jackass, he was one of my regulars for 2 years and saw me almost everytime I visited. He was a really good client until he made this bad decision. But my my question is. How does a negative review from 2013 make it okay for a 2 year regular or anybody for that matter, to short me on my compensation?? He requested a 30 min GFE date and that's what he got. ? This guy has even posted reviews on me here and another site recommending you guys to see me. ?

I (personally) never discuss any sexual acts or services upfront because I have a website that provides a description of what is included in my sessions, Therefore eliminating the need to discuss them. I can't speak for other providers, but ever since my misfortunes, I keep a descriptive website and share the link in my ads. Don't know if you even ever saw my ads, but if you have then you would see what I mean, But whaddya know? Guys STILL don't take the time to visit the site and call me with incriminating questions anyway. Once you get busted (and eventually you will, discussing sexual acts) you will understand the need to be cautious.

Example: http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ur-temp0rary-girlfriend-xoxo-reviewed-and-recommended-u-r-r/7676762.

As far as Hounds88 review, take it however you please. I don't think you took the time to fully research me and read ALL of my reviews, before making that statement. Of all the reviews I have on well known reputable sites, please tell me how many more reviews did you find of gentlemen claiming to be dissatisfied with my companionship?? Very very few!! I have seen clients and provided VIP / Fetish sessions at FS donations. I have had clients who have scheduled with me / paid for dinner dates and end up staying the night (on me)! I'm not the average provider, I like to indulge myself from time to time. This was just not something I was open and willing to indulge in! He had a clear understanding as to what my PSE sessions included prior to even confirming his appointment. My website at that time (and always have been) had a page dedicated to describing my different tiers of services (FS, GFE, PSE) and even listed the types of fetishes I engage in. Nowhere on that list was greek mentioned, so it is not my fault he assumed my PSE sessions included something that was never mention in my list of services on my site and tried to TALK me into it while we were in action and I declined. But trust me he did indeed receive every service that WAS mentioned in my PSE description. !

I'm actually kinda happy you opted not to request my services. I feel like you think your rules and requirements are far more important than the rules / protocols of the provider of who's time you are requesting, and it's your way or the highway. That doesn't work well with me. If you can't respect the provider's wishes, even if she does has 50 million good reviews, then you shouldn't waste her time.What he did still makes him a random dipshit jackass. Getting serviced while shortchanging the provider, ESPECIALLY a provider that he had built a rapport with. What he did to you also still makes it harder for other guys in this game.

However, you basically have admitted to shortchanging the guy you saw a year & a half ago, who gave you PSE donation, but left with less than PSE service. PSE is just that. PORN STAR EXPERIENCE; which means ANYTHING GOES & NOTHING IS OFF LIMITS! I have had PSE, so I know what it is. It is more money ($1 k - $2 k) and more services than GFE. If you told him no to Greek, yet he gave you PSE donation, you shortchanged him in services provided. That makes me think that if I were to come see you, request PSE & give the subsequent donation, you'd do me the same way you did him. It makes me believe you have the POTENTIAL to shortchange a guy, even if it were a year & a half ago. However, I do believe the idea of meet & greets is a good idea.

[The Preacher]

Aww damn. This is your last day? I will definitely have to catch up with you next time. .

As far as your situation, obviously that dude was a dumbass. Fucking up the game for those of us who play by the rules of business. And that's exactly what it is. A business. If services requested are services rendered, then the agreed upon price AND experience are non-negotiable. It would be like going into the Apple Store, asking for an iPhone 6, then only leaving enough cash for an iPhone 4. "You know you don't fucked up now right?

LOL.I meant to say: "You know you DUN fucked up right?" The forum autocorrected me.

[YoungRestless]

Really?? Like po-po can't bust you UNLESS you ask questions! PLEASE!! You do realize all they need is for you to answer the back page ad, show up, hand over money & start taking your clothes off, right? They got your ass then!

How did you find the chics telephone number? Oh, so you were actively perusing thru the escorts section of backpage looking for pay-for-play, right? Because that is the ONLY way you would have got the chics (decoy) number! How did you know exactly what hotel & room number to come to?? How did you know that she wanted $200 per hour & you just so coincidentally showed up with exactly $200?? Oh, so you just randomly show up at any hotel, pick a room out of the blue & hand over $200 to whoever answers the door, right? Then start getting undressed, right?? ROTFLMAO. As if JSO actually NEED you to ask a question!!

You obviously do not know the law do you! Well, let the kid enlighten you with a few words! First, let me say that in order to break a speeding law on the road, one must drive faster than the speed limit (simple right?). For example: if the speed limit says 60 miles per hour and you go one mile over that, technically, you are breaking the law. Although the likelihood that you will get a ticket is very slim since many allow at least 5 miles per hour over the limit, nevertheless, LEO can still give you a ticket!

Now, what is the definition of prostitution? It is the exchange for sex or sex act for money or something of monetary value. What does this mean? If you contact a provider and you discuss a sex act for $100, $1. 00 or for a can of tuna (the latter having monetary value), you have just broken the law and your ARSE is going to jail!

What is not breaking the law: 1) responding to an escort ad; 2) showing up with agreed upon money; 3) knowing where her room is; 4) disrobing (as you could have asked for a bodyrub which isn't illegal); 5) knowing her phone number. These enumerated items are not against the law! I repeat! These enumerated items are not against the law!

The reason the ad's are placed is to get you to the point of contacting the provider and making an offer of money for a sex act! This is where the line MUST be crossed in order for LEO to secure a charge/conviction for solicitation! According to your definition and criteria, I should have been arrested a long time ago for solicitation! But guess what? Never have I ever been arrested for solicitation of prostitution! Why!? Because I know what I'm talking about! I know what I'm doing! I have studied this more extensively than you (obviously)!

Let me tell you what a very attractive vice officer told me some time ago. This woman (officer unbeknownst to me at the time and while her undercover partner was standing outside waiting for me to say the wrong thing) tried to get me to admit to any number of sex acts for about $140. I said to myself, at the time, whatever I can do in a strip club, legally, I can do here in this room. So I played along and essentially told her we WILL NOT have sex; the only thing I wanted her to do is dance either in lingerie or bra and panties (what a sight it would have been to see JSO vice-lady in bara and panties and she was hawt!); I said to her I didn't want HIV, etc. (This was actually for the recording they would have played before Judge Judy!). This went on for quite some time. Anywho, I got to the point and said I better get out of here before I say the wrong thing (to myself) then I told her I'd have to go to the bank to get the money before we start session (which was true); only thing, I was coming back but just not to that room! She obviously figured out what I was doing (trying to leave) and she said, "you're coming back aren't you?" I said yes I am. She then turned around and said to me, "you did good!" I looked at her strangely and she said, "we're the VICE!" The guy came back in the room and both of them showed me their badges! Not handcuffs!

According to your limited knowledge of this, I should have been arrested, tried, and convicted but guess what?! Didn't happen! So continue to ROTFLMAO if you wish but I did this several times and trust me, it wasn't because they were being nice to me and decided to just let me go or because I was so cute! It was because, legally, they had nothing! Now, as I mentioned before, you are welcomed to stress over that little $60 dollars all you want BUT when those folks take your freedom and everything else, you'll understand Pete! Let me RE-PETE: when those folks take your freedom and everything else, you'll understand!

One thing I will give you though- you are correct, it is possible, if they wanted to make life miserable for you, they might go ahead and arrest you (though not likely without you breaking the law; who wants that paperwork!) BUT the part you're not paying attention to is this: even if they do arrest you, as long as you had not discussed money and sex, the likelihood that a "GOOD" lawyer will get you off and get the charges dropped is significantly higher! However, if you hand them your azz on a platter, then the charges will likely stick!

Again, have it your way! Do as you please but folks I promise you, don't let this fella steer you wrong! He could be JSO trying to offset you! With as few post as he has, it could be just that! To offset you! Forget the $60! Consider the thousands you might be out of! It's sho life!

Look fellas, I have nothing to gain by getting into a pissing contest with this fella. I am just looking out for your best interest! I know when you leave this so-called hobby, you don't want the remnants of this to affect your life forever! Remember this too: LEO can create an account on this site too!

A2 thanks for this thread because it certainly allows us to argue our points of view without tying up other threads but this discussion is certainly necessary in order for the men of this board to stay safe.

As for this fella, I have given you my best argument. ENOUGH! No more back and forth! You either believe it and accept it or you can reject it! It's sho life!

[Red Talon]

Nuff said!

[YoungRestless]

You just HAD to write a long ass thesis statement on the dangers of being trapped up in this game, right?? As if I didn't KNOW any better. Look, I'm not saying you should incriminate yourself. What I'm saying is, there is NO WAY OF KNOWING what services these chics offer compared to what you're looking for! So obviously, you need to ask questions. The questions you ask shouldn't be blatantly obvious, but at least "code word" things so you'll know what she will do & won't do. Then you can decide on whether or not you want to see the chic or find someone else. Just like a job interview. You ask questions to the employer in an effort to determine if what they are willing to offer is something you can accept, should they want to give you the job. No guy in their right mind wants to go into something BLINDLY, not knowing what he will be able to do. For chics that have websites & reviews, you pretty much KNOW what they offer & don't offer. So there is NO NEED to ask questions. But the majority of these chics have no reviews, no websites, no nothing. Some don't even state a donation amt. Bkpg ad says nothing. Soooo, how do you suppose to know what THEY will & won't do if they state nothing in their ad & you don't ask questions (in a coded manner! Ex. Instead of asking do you do anal, you could ask: do you offer trips to Greece? Again, that's going in blindly. Now if you want to be the one to throw your hard earned money out in the wind blindly, hey go ahead, do as you please. Its a free country & the free market reins supreme. But I personally think that's very stupid & have no compassion for you when you've been ripped off by a chic. Can't blame providers when you're the one exercising no caution when it comes to your money!

I saw this post after I wrote the one above and the only thing I will add to this is that LEO does understand these coded words, as you say; so even if you do use them, you might still be in hot water; Let me make this suggestion though. As I would think you are aware, usually if a girl does Greek, she is going to ask for more money for said service, be that $50 plus. Why is it not an option to limit your conversation prior to meeting the lady; take the additional money with you; wait till you guys are actually conducting biz then ask the question about Greek then. If she is LEO, trust me, NO BIZ whatsoever will ever get that far. As I said before, a LEO woman will try to get you to incriminate yourself wayyyy before that supposed biz. If the girl says (while biz is going on, like her finger in your arse) that she will for extra donation, then at least you know you're likely safe. Anyway, as I said, no back and forth; just thought I'd address this post. BTW, if you are legit, forgive me but if not, have a nice day! LOL.

Btw, you'd be surprised how many women don't even know these codes! Some are so dense, you almost have to spell the shet out for them to the point of being almost blatant. I've asked some, do you have a raincoat in case it rains and they literally think I'm talking about a darn raincoat for the weather! BP has many amateurs on it! So in short, don't think they all will know what you're talking about.

[YoungRestless]

I saw this post after I wrote the one above and the only thing I will add to this is that LEO does understand these coded words, as you say; so even if you do use them, you might still be in hot water; Let me make this suggestion though. As I would think you are aware, usually if a girl does Greek, she is going to ask for more money for said service, be that $50 plus. Why is it not an option to limit your conversation prior to meeting the lady; take the additional money with you; wait till you guys are actually conducting biz then ask the question about Greek then. If she is LEO, trust me, NO BIZ whatsoever will ever get that far. As I said before, a LEO woman will try to get you to incriminate yourself wayyyy before that supposed biz. If the girl says (while biz is going on, like her finger in your arse) that she will for extra donation, then at least you know you're likely safe. Anyway, as I said, no back and forth; just thought I'd address this post. BTW, if you are legit, forgive me but if not, have a nice day! LOL.

Btw, you'd be surprised how many women don't even know these codes! Some are so dense, you almost have to spell the shet out for them to the point of being almost blatant. I've asked some, do you have a raincoat in case it rains and they literally think I'm talking about a darn raincoat for the weather! BP has many amateurs on it! So in short, don't think they all will know what you're talking about.

You are not dealing with the sharpest knives or brightest crayons in a box ya know! A lot of these girls constantly get arrested over and over again because they don't seem to have the best of intelligence or critical thinking. I have told girls to never discuss money and sex over the phone and they declare they understand; I leave, text them from another number making them think I'm another client and I ask them a sexually explicit question and you know what they do? They have this sexually explicit conversation even after you've warned them why it is dangerous! Go figure! I've had an undercover decoy ask me (for the recording for a judge and jury, obviously), "you did say over the telephone that you were interested in FULL SERVICE?" I paused and responded to her that she must have gotten me mixed up with someone else because I NEVER said that! You see, they are very aware of these codes so be careful! Always pause when they ask you a question; inventory the thoughts in your mind before they become words on your lips to determine if they are incriminating! I knew they were LEO because a week later I got a letter from them regarding the place I visited!

[JaxDog]

I saw this post after I wrote the one above and the only thing I will add to this is that LEO does understand these coded words, as you say; so even if you do use them, you might still be in hot water; Let me make this suggestion though. As I would think you are aware, usually if a girl does Greek, she is going to ask for more money for said service, be that $50 plus. Why is it not an option to limit your conversation prior to meeting the lady; take the additional money with you; wait till you guys are actually conducting biz then ask the question about Greek then. If she is LEO, trust me, NO BIZ whatsoever will ever get that far. As I said before, a LEO woman will try to get you to incriminate yourself wayyyy before that supposed biz. If the girl says (while biz is going on, like her finger in your arse) that she will for extra donation, then at least you know you're likely safe. Anyway, as I said, no back and forth; just thought I'd address this post. BTW, if you are legit, forgive me but if not, have a nice day! LOL.

Btw, you'd be surprised how many women don't even know these codes! Some are so dense, you almost have to spell the shet out for them to the point of being almost blatant. I've asked some, do you have a raincoat in case it rains and they literally think I'm talking about a darn raincoat for the weather! BP has many amateurs on it! So in short, don't think they all will know what you're talking about.Gentlemen, if you show up at an undercover sting operation having contacted someone working for JSO and you arrive at that location with money in hand 9 times out of ten their going to bust you no matter what was said / text. They'll let the cards fall where they may and see what hand you get dealt. If you happened to see the special on the undercover busts the Polk county sheriff was running last year, every man that showed up regardless of what was said was arrested. Granted a few had their charges dismissed but everyone was booked and charged! Thankfully the JSO hasn't decided to spend the money or resources on such ridiculous useless activities but that is not to say they won't. That is why this site is so important, it acts as a clearing house for information hopefully keeping us out of trouble. JD.

[HobbyGuyJax]

My approach is pretty simple. I never discuss sex. I'm not seeing them for sex. Repeat after me, I'm not seeing them for sex, because that is illegal.

I'm seeing them for time, companionship and, I tell them I'm ONLY looking for a massage, which is what I'm looking for. When they say they don't so massages then I say a body rub is OK. When they ask me if I want a HE, BJ, FS etc, I reply, I'm only looking for a massage / body rub. I never discuss sex because I'm not looking for sex. Repeat after me. I never discuss sex because I'm not looking for sex.

The ones that insist they do sexual favors etc etc are either too stoopid for me and / or vice. In either case, I end the conversation and move on.

Of course, what happens between two or more consenting adults in private is their business.

Be safe, have fun, move on.

[PristineChase]

Can you please explain to me the scientific correlation between my post count & the number of reviews I have posted on here. To the validity of the what I stated?

Also, yeah, when it comes to my money. I've worked, grinded & hustled hard for it!! So my money does matter more than the provider. MONEY OVER BITCHEZ!! If I've worked for it. So do you! I am no ROOKIE to this game, just a rookie on this site, (I have plenty of revieIs on ThE otheR site! Look up JTE29). I don't mean any disrespect, but that's just the way the game is.Your statement is invalid because you have no credibility on THIS board. If you want to go to the other board and rage on them be my guest! But you're not, you're here!! Where your name holds NO weight!! And please. If it was really "money over bitches" then you wouldn't be spending your money ON bitches. ?! I'm done entertaining your ignorance, we will be seeing you in the mug-shots papers soon. Just wish I knew what you look like.

[YoungRestless]

Gentlemen, if you show up at an undercover sting operation having contacted someone working for JSO and you arrive at that location with money in hand 9 times out of ten their going to bust you no matter what was said / text. They'll let the cards fall where they may and see what hand you get dealt. If you happened to see the special on the undercover busts the Polk county sheriff was running last year, every man that showed up regardless of what was said was arrested. Granted a few had their charges dismissed but everyone was booked and charged! Thankfully the JSO hasn't decided to spend the money or resources on such ridiculous useless activities but that is not to say they won't. That is why this site is so important, it acts as a clearing house for information hopefully keeping us out of trouble. JD.Sure, they can be an azz and arrest you just for showing up but as I have pointed out, as long as you didn't have that sex and money discussion, the likelihood of dropped charges increases exponentially. As you mentioned, jso appears to have decided not to waste precious resources. Obviously it really does not mean they won't but if or when they do (hoping I'm not on receiving end of such), I'm out! Game over!

As JTM mentioned, I'm not having said discussion and if they insist, I walk!

[PT Monger]

I'm not sure what you do and with whom YR. In 30+ years I've NEVER had these questions and drama you describe here. This is supposed to be fun and extra enjoyment. I would hang it up if I had to go through all that, as I have a home unit the functions just fine.

My suggestion (again). Use good common sense, don't negotiate at all, keep it moving on unknown chicks and leave them for the rookies and most importantly STOP calling on providers that refuse to clearly layout their intent and information / rates regardless of their rationale for not doing so.

Capisce?


You are not dealing with the sharpest knives or brightest crayons in a box ya know! A lot of these girls constantly get arrested over and over again because they don't seem to have the best of intelligence or critical thinking. I have told girls to never discuss money and sex over the phone and they declare they understand; I leave, text them from another number making them think I'm another client and I ask them a sexually explicit question and you know what they do? They have this sexually explicit conversation even after you've warned them why it is dangerous! Go figure! I've had an undercover decoy ask me (for the recording for a judge and jury, obviously), "you did say over the telephone that you were interested in FULL SERVICE?" I paused and responded to her that she must have gotten me mixed up with someone else because I NEVER said that! You see, they are very aware of these codes so be careful! Always pause when they ask you a question; inventory the thoughts in your mind before they become words on your lips to determine if they are incriminating! I knew they were LEO because a week later I got a letter from them regarding the place I visited!

[YoungRestless]

I'm not sure what you do and with whom YR. In 30+ years I've NEVER had these questions and drama you describe here. This is supposed to be fun and extra enjoyment. I would hang it up if I had to go through all that, as I have a home unit the functions just fine.

My suggestion (again). Use good common sense, don't negotiate at all, keep it moving on unknown chicks and leave them for the rookies and most importantly STOP calling on providers that refuse to clearly layout their intent and information / rates regardless of their rationale for not doing so.

?I don't need them to lay out anything for me. If I'm understanding you correctly, you seem to be saying they should lay out the details of our session and if they don't, I shouldn't see them. If this is what you are saying, again, I do absolutely positively disagree. I will never have this conversation with someone I'm not familiar with. As a matter of fact, I won't have a discussion of sex and money with someone I've seen before bcuz they might have just started working for LEO. Using common sense is a given but knowing and using the law is even better bcuz when you know the law, you then know how to avoid breaking the law- blatantly, that is.

As far as it being for enjoyment, that's fine and well, but with this enjoyment comes a lot of responsibility. One can enjoy and not be reckless and careless. This is the whole point of the discussion. It really is very simple, despite all the conversation surrounding this topic. It's not rocket science. This is what I capisce!

Also, not sure if you have thoroughly informed yourself on this discussion but it wasn't about providers not wanting to devulge information on rates and such. It's simply a discussion about how to not incriminate one's self while communicating with a provider. It keeps you and her safe. As far as drama or whatever you call it, what is being discussed here is pretty common so not sure who you're dealing with but most reviews I read has common variations of what's being discussed. I don't find it so unusual by any stretch.

A while ago, I had a conversation with Amazon goddess about what things to say and not say while dealing with new clients. Out of everything I told her and all the precautions I told her to take, this is how they (LEO) got her: She said a women called her wanting to know if she can service her husband because it was his birthday and she wanted to give him a birthday gift. She agreed and when she showed up, she said the wife (so-called) asked her if she could perform Greek (a coded word, mind you). She said yes to that request and this is how they got her. Using codes can jam you and obviously direct/blatant terms can get you as well. So getting a provider to lay out the details of her do's and don'ts is just not an option for me. I can find that out later like during the time I'm doing my biz with her. Some guys will ask a provider if she does Greek while he's actually in the process of doing her (NOT BEFORE!). This works well because no female vice decoy will EVER let you get this far. In fact, she won't even touch you; unlike male undercover decoys. They will get butt-naked and even get in the shower with the provider!

[Beachesnole02]

Gentlemen, if you show up at an undercover sting operation having contacted someone working for JSO and you arrive at that location with money in hand 9 times out of ten their going to bust you no matter what was said / text. They'll let the cards fall where they may and see what hand you get dealt. If you happened to see the special on the undercover busts the Polk county sheriff was running last year, every man that showed up regardless of what was said was arrested. Granted a few had their charges dismissed but everyone was booked and charged! Thankfully the JSO hasn't decided to spend the money or resources on such ridiculous useless activities but that is not to say they won't. That is why this site is so important, it acts as a clearing house for information hopefully keeping us out of trouble. JD.And I am pretty sure they won't care about all the bible literature I have in my hand, cause I am just there to save those poor lost souls. Once you are arrested, you have lost. You can have a winnable case, but that won't get you off the wall of shame that gets published each month, it won't convince your SO that you are innocent, it won't get you ANY of the money back that you gave a lawyer to get you off.

[YoungRestless]

And I am pretty sure they won't care about all the bible literature I have in my hand, cause I am just there to save those poor lost souls. Once you are arrested, you have lost. You can have a winnable case, but that won't get you off the wall of shame that gets published each month, it won't convince your SO that you are innocent, it won't get you ANY of the money back that you gave a lawyer to get you off.But remember, anyone can be arrested and charged with a crime- anytime, any day, And anywhere. However the key is and what most employers are concerned about are convictions. This can adversely affect you for a lifetime. My whole point is, operate in such a manner that if you ever get in a jam, give your attorney something to fight for. If you blatantly broke the law, your attorney has an uphill battle but if you played your cards right, your chances for a favorable outcome increases. Remember, you can seal and subsequently expunged a criminal record as long as it's not a conviction. As long as it's a conviction, it remains for life and you're affected forever! I know most people rather not have this discussion because it tends to take out all the fun and excitement but let me tell you, there is an option to play responsibly. Remember, while you're being selfish and fulfilling your fleshly desires, if you ever got jammed, you are not the only one who is going to be affected. If you have a SO and kids, they too will be affected. Play safe but play responsibly!

As far as the things you may lose, well, the only thing I can say about that is, this is what YOU signed up for. You knew the risk coming into it so there are repercussions YOU MUST endure. If you're not willing to deal with the repercussions of YOUR ACTIONS, get out now!

[JaxDog]

And I am pretty sure they won't care about all the bible literature I have in my hand, cause I am just there to save those poor lost souls. Once you are arrested, you have lost. You can have a winnable case, but that won't get you off the wall of shame that gets published each month, it won't convince your SO that you are innocent, it won't get you ANY of the money back that you gave a lawyer to get you off.You hit the nail on the head, once your arrested you've lost, period, even if you get the charges dropped the record of your arrest will still be available for all to see who wish to look. JD.

[PT Monger]

I don't need them to lay out anything for me. If I'm understanding you correctly, you seem to be saying they should lay out the details of our session and if they don't, I shouldn't see them. If this is what you are saying, again, I do absolutely positively disagree. I will never have this conversation with someone I'm not familiar with. As a matter of fact, I won't have a discussion of sex and money with someone I've seen before bcuz they might have just started working for LEO. Using common sense is a given but knowing and using the law is even better bcuz when you know the law, you then know how to avoid breaking the law- blatantly, that is.

As far as it being for enjoyment, that's fine and well, but with this enjoyment comes a lot of responsibility. One can enjoy and not be reckless and careless. This is the whole point of the discussion. It really is very simple, despite all the conversation surrounding this topic. It's not rocket science. This is what I capisce!

Also, not sure if you have thoroughly informed yourself on this discussion but it wasn't about providers not wanting to devulge information on rates and such. It's simply a discussion about how to not incriminate one's self while communicating with a provider. It keeps you and her safe. As far as drama or whatever you call it, what is being discussed here is pretty common so not sure who you're dealing with but most reviews I read has common variations of what's being discussed. I don't find it so unusual by any stretch.And I'm done and will leave you gents to enjoy the banter. What I said and meant was, like PC many good providers have pages and sites that professionally layout the services provided and their expectations for both parties. The vast majority of those are reliable and easy enough to review or ask seasoned mongers here about, pretty simple. I can't tell you much about hunting CL / BP girls so, perhaps my comment wasn't germane to the main discussion anyway. Then again, some people just like talking behind their computer screen. I'm off for a 2:00 to get some ass guys. Enjoy.

PT.

[YoungRestless]

And I'm done and will leave you gents to enjoy the banter. What I said and meant was, like PC many good providers have pages and sites that professionally layout the services provided and their expectations for both parties. The vast majority of those are reliable and easy enough to review or ask seasoned mongers here about, pretty simple. I can't tell you much about hunting CL / BP girls so, perhaps my comment wasn't germane to the main discussion anyway. Then again, some people just like talking behind their computer screen. I'm off for a 2:00 to get some ass guys. Enjoy.

PT.

But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!

Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it!

[CantB1]

But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!

Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it!I had to up the data plan in my phone just to keep up. Just kidding I hacked the neighbor's wifi. LOL.

Much respect bro. But you IS long winded! Have you even slept?

It's good you try to educate the board but grown folks get stuck in their ways. So let them be.

[Voltron94]

But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!

Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it!One suggestion I've seen a lot is to book the provider for nude modeling. It isn't illegal, and no female cop would ever agree to it. Just make sure you bring a camera, and don't carry any condoms on you.

The biggest problem regarding communication is that nobody trusts anyone in this equation. The client is afraid he won't get the services he wants. The provider is afraid she won't get her money. Both are worried about rip-offs or robberies or cops. There is no code that cops cannot figure out, because there is no code that you can trust all clients or providers to understand without having it explained to them.

The one that always boggles my mind are the ones who list rates as "roses". Who do they think they are fooling? What woman asks for roses, let alone 200 of them? Use something that a person might actually pick up for somebody on their way to hang out. Sodas, cigarettes, beers, lighters, packs of gum, donuts, Egg McMuffins, whatever.

Client: "Hey Provider, it's Client! Can I come by your place to hang out for an hour?

Provider: "Hey Client! My place is a little messy, give me 20 minutes. Can you pick me up two packs of Newports on the way?

Client: "No problem. Where are you staying again?

Clearly that is a one hour incall to take place in 20 minutes for $200. It doesn't work as easy if you aren't dealing with even hundreds (e. G. How would you do $120 or $180? Plus, the provider would have to be smart about it. Ask for things you actually need or use, keep them cheap & easy to get at all times of day, and mix things up so you don't wind up with 40 packs of gum or 30 lighters in your room.

But sooner or later, some moron client is going to show up thinking he is going to get laid for two bottles of Sprite.

[TallBear]

But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!

Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it!Perhaps it is because of the evidentiary difficulties in making a person personally liable for the material on a website, especially if the website servers are physically located beyond easy reach, but I don't think I've ever heard of a website being brought into evidence against a provider. It seems to be the personal communications that will get your ass snared. Or hers.

First time visits are always the most dangerous, & my nervousness almost always diminishes my enjoyment of first time visits. Yeah, there's a thrill to it but, well, no thanks. I'm too old & too vested in my non-hobby life to take any more chances with this nonsense than I absolutely have to. Research, vetting through reviews, referrals from trusted individuals, & sticking with tried & true providers are all ways I avoid having those incriminating conversations at all.

[YoungRestless]

I had to up the data plan in my phone just to keep up. Just kidding I hacked the neighbor's wifi. LOL.

Much respect bro. But you IS long winded! Have you even slept?

It's good you try to educate the board but grown folks get stuck in their ways. So let them be.You said a mouthful! Hey, although I have the tried and true, let everyone be persuaded to do as they please. It's their life and their livelihood! Message received- loud and clear!

[YoungRestless]

Perhaps it is because of the evidentiary difficulties in making a person personally liable for the material on a website, especially if the website servers are physically located beyond easy reach, but I don't think I've ever heard of a website being brought into evidence against a provider. It seems to be the personal communications that will get your ass snared. Or hers.

First time visits are always the most dangerous, & my nervousness almost always diminishes my enjoyment of first time visits. Yeah, there's a thrill to it but, well, no thanks. I'm too old & too vested in my non-hobby life to take any more chances with this nonsense than I absolutely have to. Research, vetting through reviews, referrals from trusted individuals, & sticking with tried & true providers are all ways I avoid having those incriminating conversations at all.To guys to check out "their" website, especially if they reference it could prove some form of ownership or connection. I'm not sure but as you said, I'm too vested in my own life to allow these shenanigans to destroy it!

[The Preacher]

Would any of you guys consider seriously dating a provider who is "retired"? I am drinking some whiskey and that random question came to mind. LOL I don't think I would, but I'm not entirely sure. If the vibe is right with a woman, it's very tough to resist. But her past would definitely haunt you. Just curious what your thoughts are.

[Handicapper]

Would any of you guys consider seriously dating a provider who is "retired"? I am drinking some whiskey and that random question came to mind. LOL I don't think I would, but I'm not entirely sure. If the vibe is right with a woman, it's very tough to resist. But her past would definitely haunt you. Just curious what your thoughts are.Say she retired at 35. How many other 35 year olds are going to date who haven't had plenty of men in their past too. If she can cook and likes football, I'd say she is date worthy.

[CantB1]

Would any of you guys consider seriously dating a provider who is "retired"? I am drinking some whiskey and that random question came to mind. LOL I don't think I would, but I'm not entirely sure. If the vibe is right with a woman, it's very tough to resist. But her past would definitely haunt you. Just curious what your thoughts are.You just don't know how timely your question was made. My answer would be YES although my examples are not "retired" And no names will be given. I have let's say "dated" and I will use that word loosely. First one she said we were in a relationship. I met her just over a year ago on BP. Turned on the humor and charm. She called me to see her again a few days later. After I asked her how much because we got down for about 2 hours. She said you don't have to give me nothing. Shocked by the thought I still gave her 60. She started calling me to come see her whlie she worked and we talked several times daily. She got so deep into her habit that after a few months she looked almost nothing like the short PAWG I liked. She went from 140 to 100. Lost most her hair. And went from wanting to have a normal life and job to saying she retired from jobs at 28 years old. I had to walk away when she forgot to tell me her grandmother died because she got so messed up on drugs for days. That grouchy old lady liked me because I was nothing like her other friends. I became the first AA to ever come into their house and be welcomed to spend the night. One man can make a difference in another person's life.

Next provider is recent / current. Call it FWB. Never had to P4 P. Was looking like something more but somewhere we slowed it down. Well she hit the brakes and I got whiplash. Sex is great but irrelevant. I really enjoy her as a person.

And now there is a SW. It's been going on for less than 2 weeks. I will explain more about that situation in another report.

[YoungRestless]

You hit the nail on the head, once your arrested you've lost, period, even if you get the charges dropped the record of your arrest will still be available for all to see who wish to look. JD.Until you get it sealed and subsequently expunged. The nice thing about Florida is you can get the record almost immediately sealed after the incident and if you wait 10 years, keep your nose clean, you can get it expunged. I tell providers to AVOID certain states like New York, I believe, because they don't allow either which means it is on your record forever. Another thing, it's a once in a lifetime deal. The only way you can get multiple charges sealed is if all the arrest are connected. It appears expungement is, by and large, better bcuz the record details, itself, is destroyed. However when the record is sealed, it's still intact but hidden from certain organizations or agencies. For example, if you wanted to be a teacher, it can still be seen. If you wanted to work in corporate America, it's hidden from them, for example.

Hence, it's not a total loss but you certainly have your work cut out for you. Another recommendation is to at least seal it ASAP bcuz agencies like the courthouse will sell your information to 3rd party background check companies the longer it stays unsealed. Kinda like a cellphone company selling your personal information. I've known it to be a nightmare for some! It only becomes a total loss if you can't get that shet sealed bcuz the state attornies office is fighting it and the judge agrees, for whatever reason. Hopefully both are reasonable and you have a good attorney!

[Voltron94]

Would any of you guys consider seriously dating a provider who is "retired"? I am drinking some whiskey and that random question came to mind. LOL I don't think I would, but I'm not entirely sure. If the vibe is right with a woman, it's very tough to resist. But her past would definitely haunt you. Just curious what your thoughts are.I'd be more worried about her past haunting *HER*.

Most of these girls are treated like garbage. They are often victims of violence and rape. Drug addiction is extremely common. They may have criminal records, nude or explicit photos that are now permanently online, or people from their past who know about the life they once led.

And if you met her as a client? She would have a reminder every day of what she used to do just by looking at you. I mean I've dated two different strippers before, and both told me she never would have dated me if I had ever been one of her customers. I also managed to spark a great friendship with a webcam model and we eventually met in person, but she shot down any notion of us having a relationship because we first got to know each other while she was camming. My ATF provider asked hypothetically if I would even consider dating her normally. I told her that I would, and I meant it because she seems like a really great person and we had fantastic chemistry. However, even hoping for dating is pretty crazy, let alone marriage. You'd have to be prepared to dig in for the long haul with a woman that may have physical and emotional fallout from this for the rest of her life.

[MouthHunter]

I had to up the data plan in my phone just to keep up. Just kidding I hacked the neighbor's wifi. LOL.

Much respect bro. But you IS long winded! Have you even slept?

It's good you try to educate the board but grown folks get stuck in their ways. So let them be.If you had to write down the rules for tic-Tac-toe I think it would be about 200 pages long. Brevity can be your friend too.

[YoungRestless]

Until you get it sealed and subsequently expunged. The nice thing about Florida is you can get the record almost immediately sealed after the incident and if you wait 10 years, keep your nose clean, you can get it expunged. I tell providers to AVOID certain states like New York, I believe, because they don't allow either which means it is on your record forever. Another thing, it's a once in a lifetime deal. The only way you can get multiple charges sealed is if all the arrest are connected. It appears expungement is, by and large, better bcuz the record details, itself, is destroyed. However when the record is sealed, it's still intact but hidden from certain organizations or agencies. For example, if you wanted to be a teacher, it can still be seen. If you wanted to work in corporate America, it's hidden from them, for example.

Hence, it's not a total loss but you certainly have your work cut out for you. Another recommendation is to at least seal it ASAP bcuz agencies like the courthouse will sell your information to 3rd party background check companies the longer it stays unsealed. Kinda like a cellphone company selling your personal information. I've known it to be a nightmare for some! It only becomes a total loss if you can't get that shet sealed bcuz the state attornies office is fighting it and the judge agrees, for whatever reason. Hopefully both are reasonable and you have a good attorney!

About letting grown men figure shet out on their own. Some things take a little more explaining than others; however, since I'm getting a lot of smart azz remarks about it, let's just table it and you people can proceed how you wish! Seems people are more concerned about getting pussy ONLY rather than getting it and being well informed and responsible! Anyway, it's sho life! Hope that was enough brevity for ya!

[YoungRestless]

You indicated that in Polk county, there was a sting and that everyone who showed up got arrested; regardless whether they incriminated themselves or not. From what I've read, the folks were arrested because they offered money in exchange for sex. I didn't read anything about them just showing up and getting arrested. Can you please tell me where you got this information from? Was it in the news story? Did you read arrest reports that indicated this? Perhaps you got some inside information? If you can direct me to the source, please do so. Thanks in advanced!

[YoungRestless]

On the forum. He can give anyone as much shit as he damn well pleases as far as I'm concerned. He has giving more pertinent information than most others combined. So bow down to experience where you belong. Just being real here.Absolutely NOT!

[CantB1]

Say she retired at 35. How many other 35 year olds are going to date who haven't had plenty of men in their past too. If she can cook and likes football, I'd say she is date worthy.You are definitely on to something! I have never had a woman who likes football. And I'm not talking just watches it when it's the Super Bowl. I'm talking follows stats and knows players and all the rules and stuff of the game. I have had friends that SO we the type and I always envied that it. Cooking, football, can hold an intelligent conversation and above average bedroom skills. That would get her worshiped and me the hell away from this hobby. I could get over her past with time.

CB1.

1000 men before "US" < 1 man during "US".

[TallBear]

Would any of you guys consider seriously dating a provider who is "retired"? I am drinking some whiskey and that random question came to mind. LOL I don't think I would, but I'm not entirely sure. If the vibe is right with a woman, it's very tough to resist. But her past would definitely haunt you. Just curious what your thoughts are.If she was attractive, smart, personable & rocked my world, given my own checkered past, I doubt hers would bother me very much. I'm thinking here of a FWB in another state who is a "retired" provider & all of the above. If our circumstances were different, I could imagine a more serious relationship with her. She is really quite a gal.

[Stewie Griffin]

Would any of you guys consider seriously dating a provider who is "retired"? I am drinking some whiskey and that random question came to mind. LOL I don't think I would, but I'm not entirely sure. If the vibe is right with a woman, it's very tough to resist. But her past would definitely haunt you. Just curious what your thoughts are.I have dated a provider before. We dated for about 2 years I think it was. Nice girl and we still keep in touch to this day. Past never really came up to haunt her. Thats what happened with this girl, the vibe was there. I was a client and it just kind of progressed from there.

[Stewie Griffin]

And I am pretty sure they won't care about all the bible literature I have in my hand, cause I am just there to save those poor lost souls. Once you are arrested, you have lost. You can have a winnable case, but that won't get you off the wall of shame that gets published each month, it won't convince your SO that you are innocent, it won't get you ANY of the money back that you gave a lawyer to get you off.So true. Even though my charges were dropped, it was still a pain in the ass! Spent the night in jail, because you can not bond out for a solicitation charge, had to pay a lawyer, and go through all that crap. And just when you think it is all over because they drop the charges, your name and picture show up in JC paper and someone at works sees it and puts a copy on everyones desk almost getting you fired from your job.

So even though I was innocent (I actually was this time, that's what had me so mad) it still cost several thousand dollars in attorney fees, night in jail, they towed my car, picture in the paper, and almost lost my job. And remember like in my case. The only thing that saved me in the end was that they had a recording of the whole thing and believe it or not the police wrote down something completely different then what was on the recording.

[The Preacher]

If she was attractive, smart, personable & rocked my world, given my own checkered past, I doubt hers would bother me very much. I'm thinking here of a FWB in another state who is a "retired" provider & all of the above. If our circumstances were different, I could imagine a more serious relationship with her. She is really quite a gal.
Yeah I've met someone like that too. I actually enjoy her presence equally as much as I enjoy sex with her. But I definitely keep that shit on a leash though. Logic kicks in and I instantly reject those feelings of fondness from my mind whenever they manifest. Like laying in bed chatting with her before or after a session, or sitting at home chillin and think to myself: "Damn I really like this chick. She is cool as hell. I wonder if......." NAHHHHHHHH!!!!!


You just don't know how timely your question was made. My answer would be YES although my examples are not "retired" And no names will be given. I have let's say "dated" and I will use that word loosely. First one she said we were in a relationship. I met her just over a year ago on BP. Turned on the humor and charm. She called me to see her again a few days later. After I asked her how much because we got down for about 2 hours. She said you don't have to give me nothing. Shocked by the thought I still gave her 60. She started calling me to come see her whlie she worked and we talked several times daily. She got so deep into her habit that after a few months she looked almost nothing like the short PAWG I liked. She went from 140 to 100. Lost most her hair. And went from wanting to have a normal life and job to saying she retired from jobs at 28 years old. I had to walk away when she forgot to tell me her grandmother died because she got so messed up on drugs for days. That grouchy old lady liked me because I was nothing like her other friends. I became the first AA to ever come into their house and be welcomed to spend the night. One man can make a difference in another person's life.

Next provider is recent / current. Call it FWB. Never had to P4 P. Was looking like something more but somewhere we slowed it down. Well she hit the brakes and I got whiplash. Sex is great but irrelevant. I really enjoy her as a person.

And now there is a SW. It's been going on for less than 2 weeks. I will explain more about that situation in another report.Man, that pawg situation was a tragedy. 140 to 100 is a ridiculous ass meat reduction. Plus she sounded pretty damn cool.

When it just feels right with someone, it is difficult to put the brakes on things and stop it from evolving. No matter what they've done in the past. But like mentioned below, I would be worried about the past coming back to haunt her. The rape / violence / drugs issues would resurface eventually. I've dated a stripper and that exact thing happened. I had to hit the eject button with the quickness.

[CantB1]

I been spending a lot of time lately with a SW and her boyfriend Ron.

[CantB1]

I been spending a lot of time with a SW lately. But I kinda feel like a third wheel because no matter what time of day it is or where we go she always gets a call from Ron. Ron is a needy bastard. Always calling her several times a day. She wakes up sick of him calling but she always answers his controlling ass. What's said is that they have only been together for a few months but his hold is strong. She has to do anything to support him. Even deal with bad living situations and constantly being scared of being arrest for doing what she has to do. Ron encourages and get off on seeing her date strange men for money.

I met SW months ago. Never did I think that she would be in such a bad relationship for her appearance. Not with that lower anyway. But given her line of work I knew she wasn't doing it for the fun. The more time I spent with her, the more I see where he has left his mark. I know in life people become neutral and never try to move pass road blocks and make detours to avoid for seem obstacles. I'm guilty of that myself so I try not to judge but some things are like basic math. 1+1=2 and a person using drugs becomes addicted. As kids we make fun of junkies. Never did we say that's what we want to be when we grow up. But it seems to be a growing "profession. " What happened to wanting to be Doctors lawyers and millionaires.

Back to SW. She thinks that she is different from the other ladies in her position. She knows what she's doing. She doesn't think that Ron will kill her like he did another girl she knows. He makes you abandon your kids for him. And that Ron won't rob her of her looks. I ask her what makes her any different that all the others he fuck with. She gets lost in her ignorance of self awareness.

Ron is her problem. She has apologized too many times for him keeping her too long and making her miss our dates. Another thing is that she thinks everything and everyone is "Quid pro quo" (something for something) No I don't need you to "put it on me" to make it up to me. No I don't need you to suck my dick because I bought you something. Just be sincere and dependable. Which she is not. She is so impatient when she needs but everything else can't help but wait because Ron is calling every couple hours. I get dragged in to help him out. I have gotten to not be able to stand him at all. Only thing I can do is stay out of their relationship.

CB1.

Damn that Ron get treated like a king. But he destroys his loyal subjects one day at a time.

[Jaxlooker1]

So true. Even though my charges were dropped, it was still a pain in the ass! Spent the night in jail, because you can not bond out for a solicitation charge, had to pay a lawyer, and go through all that crap. And just when you think it is all over because they drop the charges, your name and picture show up in JC paper and someone at works sees it and puts a copy on everyones desk almost getting you fired from your job.

So even though I was innocent (I actually was this time, that's what had me so mad) it still cost several thousand dollars in attorney fees, night in jail, they towed my car, picture in the paper, and almost lost my job. And remember like in my case. The only thing that saved me in the end was that they had a recording of the whole thing and believe it or not the police wrote down something completely different then what was on the recording.Thanks Stewie for the post and sharing your personal experience! It makes me think about this hobby and puts it in prospective of the consequences, if caught. Not really worth it in the long run. I'm clean now but it is a huge risk.

[Rick Dugan]

I add my thanks as well Stewie. I came close to a problem up north many years ago and only narrowly avoided it because of the paranoid precautions I used to take when dialing BP girls from my hotel room. Specifically, I used to casually camp out in the lobby for first time girls to see if they came alone. I won't detail the specifics, but suffice it to say that I probably would have been sleeping in a jail cell instead of my very nice hotel bed if I had been in that room and let her in. I had to hide out in another part of the hotel for almost an hour until the "escort" and her entourage realized that I was not going to answer the door, and hence would not be caught in the act of handing over cash for sex, and finally left. JSO might not waste resources chasing one off outcall busts, but, sadly, local and even state police in some of the northeast states are all too happy to blow massive resources on morality policing.

That was 8 ish years ago and it was last time that I sourced paid pussy anywhere other than directly from a strip club. An arrest alone would have been sufficient to ruin my life, regardless of whether I beat the charges or not. If you work in sensitive industries that require fingerprinting, you know that fingerprint records are forever and every arrest, regardless of whether they result in court action, pop up during a fingerprint check.


Thanks Stewie for the post and sharing your personal experience! It makes me think about this hobby and puts it in prospective of the consequences, if caught. Not really worth it in the long run. I'm clean now but it is a huge risk.


So true. Even though my charges were dropped, it was still a pain in the ass! Spent the night in jail, because you can not bond out for a solicitation charge, had to pay a lawyer, and go through all that crap. And just when you think it is all over because they drop the charges, your name and picture show up in JC paper and someone at works sees it and puts a copy on everyones desk almost getting you fired from your job.

[The Preacher]

I been spending a lot of time with a SW lately. But I kinda feel like a third wheel because no matter what time of day it is or where we go she always gets a call from Ron. Ron is a needy bastard. Always calling her several times a day. She wakes up sick of him calling but she always answers his controlling ass. What's said is that they have only been together for a few months but his hold is strong. She has to do anything to support him. Even deal with bad living situations and constantly being scared of being arrest for doing what she has to do. Ron encourages and get off on seeing her date strange men for money.

I met SW months ago. Never did I think that she would be in such a bad relationship for her appearance. Not with that lower anyway. But given her line of work I knew she wasn't doing it for the fun. The more time I spent with her, the more I see where he has left his mark. I know in life people become neutral and never try to move pass road blocks and make detours to avoid for seem obstacles. I'm guilty of that myself so I try not to judge but some things are like basic math. 1+1=2 and a person using drugs becomes addicted. As kids we make fun of junkies. Never did we say that's what we want to be when we grow up. But it seems to be a growing "profession. " What happened to wanting to be Doctors lawyers and millionaires.

Back to SW. She thinks that she is different from the other ladies in her position. She knows what she's doing. She doesn't think that Ron will kill her like he did another girl she knows. He makes you abandon your kids for him. And that Ron won't rob her of her looks. I ask her what makes her any different that all the others he fuck with. She gets lost in her ignorance of self awareness.

Ron is her problem. She has apologized too many times for him keeping her too long and making her miss our dates. Another thing is that she thinks everything and everyone is "Quid pro quo" (something for something) No I don't need you to "put it on me" to make it up to me. No I don't need you to suck my dick because I bought you something. Just be sincere and dependable. Which she is not. She is so impatient when she needs but everything else can't help but wait because Ron is calling every couple hours. I get dragged in to help him out. I have gotten to not be able to stand him at all. Only thing I can do is stay out of their relationship.

CB1.

Damn that Ron get treated like a king. But he destroys his loyal subjects one day at a time.That's deep brother. Makes you appreciate not being enslaved by anything that is guarunteed to ruin your life. It definitely sucks to watch a cool chick slowly flush herself down the drain.

[YoungRestless]

I add my thanks as well Stewie. I came close to a problem up north many years ago and only narrowly avoided it because of the paranoid precautions I used to take when dialing BP girls from my hotel room. Specifically, I used to casually camp out in the lobby for first time girls to see if they came alone. I won't detail the specifics, but suffice it to say that I probably would have been sleeping in a jail cell instead of my very nice hotel bed if I had been in that room and let her in. I had to hide out in another part of the hotel for almost an hour until the "escort" and her entourage realized that I was not going to answer the door, and hence would not be caught in the act of handing over cash for sex, and finally left. JSO might not waste resources chasing one off outcall busts, but, sadly, local and even state police in some of the northeast states are all too happy to blow massive resources on morality policing.

That was 8 ish years ago and it was last time that I sourced paid pussy anywhere other than directly from a strip club. An arrest alone would have been sufficient to ruin my life, regardless of whether I beat the charges or not. If you work in sensitive industries that require fingerprinting, you know that fingerprint records are forever and every arrest, regardless of whether they result in court action, pop up during a fingerprint check.

Stewie didn't hand them (LEO) his azz on a platter. He acted in such a manner that the charges didn't ultimately result in a conviction. Convictions hurt you more than anything. As I mentioned, you can't seal a record if the current status of your case is "conviction. " He gave his lawyer something to work with. He didn't go in there having that money / sex conversation. As I said before, they might be a prick and arrest you anyway, even if you didn't say anything incriminating but in the end, I'd still rather be in Stewie's shoes; that is, not helping LEO make their case against me! This is the point of the whole discussion. Knowing what to do and what not to do. Better to be informed than to be a fool making assumptions!

One of the things I always keep in mind is that before I say anything; before any words leave my mouth, I am always asking myself, "how will what I'm about to say sound (recording from a sting) before a judge and jury?" If it's incriminating; if it's SEXUALLY explicit; if it's a conversation that consist of any kind of sexual innuendo whatsoever, I DON'T SAY IT! All they need to know is that you are paying for their time and companionship ONLY. Nothing more! Someone might say, "well, they still might arrest you!" Yeah, true but people get arrested and charged every day for shet but as long as it does not result in a conviction (ultimately) and the charges are eventually dropped you're in better shape than you realize.

[RegularMem1]

Stewie didn't hand them (LEO) his azz on a platter. He acted in such a manner that the charges didn't ultimately result in a conviction. Convictions hurt you more than anything. As I mentioned, you can't seal a record if the current status of your case is "conviction. " He gave his lawyer something to work with. He didn't go in there having that money / sex conversation. As I said before, they might be a prick and arrest you anyway, even if you didn't say anything incriminating but in the end, I'd still rather be in Stewie's shoes; that is, not helping LEO make their case against me! This is the point of the whole discussion. Knowing what to do and what not to do. Better to be informed than to be a fool making assumptions!

One of the things I always keep in mind is that before I say anything; before any words leave my mouth, I am always asking myself, "how will what I'm about to say sound (recording from a sting) before a judge and jury?" If it's incriminating; if it's SEXUALLY explicit; if it's a conversation that consist of any kind of sexual innuendo whatsoever, I DON'T SAY IT! All they need to know is that you are paying for their time and companionship ONLY. Nothing more! Someone might say, "well, they still might arrest you!" Yeah, true but people get arrested and charged every day for shet but as long as it does not result in a conviction (ultimately) and the charges are eventually dropped you're in better shape than you realize.So many experts on this forum.

[NumbSkull]

I been spending a lot of time lately with a SW and her boyfriend Ron.I hate reading your posts!. Cause they strip away that false prettiness that we see this world through. I like to pretend, that I don't know, that the "spider bite" on the arm is an infection from a dirty needle. That the blister on the breast isn't a burn from stashing a hot crack pipe. But ultimately, in the end, I realize, I'm merely a daytripper, holidaying in someone's personal version of hell.

So keep up the good reportage, and good writing CB1.

I can only offer this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze-cX8qzFDY

[YoungRestless]

Stewie didn't hand them (LEO) his azz on a platter. He acted in such a manner that the charges didn't ultimately result in a conviction. Convictions hurt you more than anything. As I mentioned, you can't seal a record if the current status of your case is "conviction. " He gave his lawyer something to work with. He didn't go in there having that money / sex conversation. As I said before, they might be a prick and arrest you anyway, even if you didn't say anything incriminating but in the end, I'd still rather be in Stewie's shoes; that is, not helping LEO make their case against me! This is the point of the whole discussion. Knowing what to do and what not to do. Better to be informed than to be a fool making assumptions!

One of the things I always keep in mind is that before I say anything; before any words leave my mouth, I am always asking myself, "how will what I'm about to say sound (recording from a sting) before a judge and jury?" If it's incriminating; if it's SEXUALLY explicit; if it's a conversation that consist of any kind of sexual innuendo whatsoever, I DON'T SAY IT! All they need to know is that you are paying for their time and companionship ONLY. Nothing more! Someone might say, "well, they still might arrest you!" Yeah, true but people get arrested and charged every day for shet but as long as it does not result in a conviction (ultimately) and the charges are eventually dropped you're in better shape than you realize. wrote under wrong one.

[YoungRestless]

So many experts on this forum.But you know what you know yet I can only speak for me; one thing about it, there is no suppositions or conjectures here! I'm assuming your remarks were meant for sarcasm. Rather than sarcasm, it would be better to add value to the discussion instead! But perhaps you just can't!

[Fishguy717]

I'm just ecstatic you mongers are keeping this frequently long winded stuff on this thread, and not taking up so much real estate on the others. I say state your opinions or complain all you want, you're entitled to it. But on the other threads where we are looking for and sharing info, let's lay off the novels, know what I mean?

We have had a break recently on those from one monger who won't go named here having his hand recently slapped. It's been nice.

[JaxDog]

You indicated that in Polk county, there was a sting and that everyone who showed up got arrested; regardless whether they incriminated themselves or not. From what I've read, the folks were arrested because they offered money in exchange for sex. I didn't read anything about them just showing up and getting arrested. Can you please tell me where you got this information from? Was it in the news story? Did you read arrest reports that indicated this? Perhaps you got some inside information? If you can direct me to the source, please do so. Thanks in advanced!Everyone that came to the hotel room regardless of what was said or text was arrested. Now after the show was over they listed a few of the men that had their charges dropped but everyone who showed up was charged. One of the gentlemen got off by continuing to say he was just there for a "date" no sex just a "date".

There's a couple sure fire ways to find out if the woman your dealing with is an undercover cop. First if she's willing to get in your car and go somewhere with you she's not a cop. I have a couple acquaintances that are police officers and they tell me that it's department policy that no female undercover agent under any circumstances will get into a vehicle. Also it's highly unusual for cops to set up outcall stings, first there's the expense verses the amount of arrests made, can you imagine the police having to coordinate such a event. Then there's the issue of security, letting an female undercover agent walk into a strange location creates to many variables, they deem it way to risky. So there you have it, get them in your car or home and odds are very good you not dealing with law enforcement. JD.

[YoungRestless]

I'm just ecstatic you mongers are keeping this frequently long winded stuff on this thread, and not taking up so much real estate on the others. I say state your opinions or complain all you want, you're entitled to it. But on the other threads where we are looking for and sharing info, let's lay off the novels, know what I mean?

We have had a break recently on those from one monger who won't go named here having his hand recently slapped. It's been nice.

Honestly, I am not sure if people really know why the "Woodshed" was created. Perhaps it is because they started posting on this site after it was created and never had the opportunity to see why A2 created it. It was essentially created (and A2 please correct me if I'm wrong) so that when reviewers dealt with some hot topics and they became angry with each other, they could take heated debates to this particular thread. They could call each other "Mo frucker" or "Sun of a Biatch" etc. This way, they don't have to take up bandwidth on other threads where people only want to discuss finding p-ssy. You can say nasty things to each other on this thread without incurring infractions from A2 which is pretty nice actually.

What I find fascinating is that when we do this (post on a more appropriate thread), folks still get upset and follow you to the thread that is more relevant to the topic and try to rail on ya! I just really don't get it! When certain topics come up on, for example, the BP thread, people become enraged that you're not talking about the latest lay. Alright, understandable but the reason a variety of other threads were created was so that people could discuss more appropriate topics that are more germane to said thread. I can't tell folks where to post and how to post but one thing I'm a firm believer in and that is be respectful of one another and share information no matter how large or small; no matter how significant or insignificant; SHARE! You never know what information might help whoever since we all are on this site for various purposes. What I might be on this site for might be quite different from another poster. Anyhow, if folks want respect then you have to give it, point-blank. While some topics might go on for a minute, give it a little time and patience, they will soon fizzle out and soon enough another topic comes on the scene and we just keep moving on. Anyway, that's my take on why the "Woodshed" was created.

[MouthHunter]

Honestly, I am not sure if people really know why the "Woodshed" was created. Perhaps it is because they started posting on this site after it was created and never had the opportunity to see why A2 created it. It was essentially created (and A2 please correct me if I'm wrong) so that when reviewers dealt with some hot topics and they became angry with each other, they could take heated debates to this particular thread. They could call each other "Mo frucker" or "Sun of a Biatch" etc. This way, they don't have to take up bandwidth on other threads where people only want to discuss finding p-ssy. You can say nasty things to each other on this thread without incurring infractions from A2 which is pretty nice actually.

What I find fascinating is that when we do this (post on a more appropriate thread), folks still get upset and follow you to the thread that is more relevant to the topic and try to rail on ya! I just really don't get it! When certain topics come up on, for example, the BP thread, people become enraged that you're not talking about the latest lay. Alright, understandable but the reason a variety of other threads were created was so that people could discuss more appropriate topics that are more germane to said thread. I can't tell folks where to post and how to post but one thing I'm a firm believer in and that is be respectful of one another and share information no matter how large or small; no matter how significant or insignificant; SHARE! You never know what information might help whoever since we all are on this site for various purposes. What I might be on this site for might be quite different from another poster. Anyhow, if folks want respect then you have to give it, point-blank. While some topics might go on for a minute, give it a little time and patience, they will soon fizzle out and soon enough another topic comes on the scene and we just keep moving on. Anyway, that's my take on why the "Woodshed" was created.For the Fish. Come on man. Start trolling these fake pic chics with your time instead of the novels. It's more productive. And it should increase our reliability factor. Thanks man in advance.

[CantB1]

I never pretend to be someone I'm not. I know I grew up as a kid in public housing. When I went out to play first rule was "be home before the street lights came on. " All I had to do is look up. If they were orange then I needed to be headed home. When they were white that meant it was completely night and my ass was grass. I remember the first junkie ***** I met as a kid. I was in 5 grade and she and her family had moved to our 99% black neighborhood. They were P / are and looked white. Desire was like 19 and stuck out like a sore thumb. It took no time at all for her to get attach the the local DBs. Then she was wearing black eyes and eventually she went from being an a beauty exotic chick that landed I'm the hood to a run down SWan. My friends and I used to dream about being with her. Hanging out and bullshitn couldn't wait to get a glance of her fine ass. Then it all changed. We didn't even want to cross the street on her side.

Mongers spend so much time judging these girls like it's a dog and pony show. All these girls are lost and or broken. I think we as mongers are more broken then they are. Let's keep it all too real. Imagine if they got on this forum and judged us. Three quarters of mongers would retire at the thought of it. Easy to hide behind a screen name and the upper hand. We choose who we see. They accept what's presented.

Check it! I got a provider friend. She is an awesome person. But anyway. I told her the other day I wanted to be a comedian because mongers don't get paid. She said how about a male escort. I told her Hell to the Nah! Most women would never have to pay for sex. They just have to make it seem available and some dude going to poke regardless. That I ain't got a good enough stomach or imagination to open the door and see that chick from the movie "Precious" or Roseanne Barr. She said take a pill. I said ain't no pill in the world going to make me swing that hard.

CB1.

Take it for what it really is. ENDS TO A MEANS.

[Quebec]

I'm just ecstatic you mongers are keeping this frequently long winded stuff on this thread, and not taking up so much real estate on the others. I say state your opinions or complain all you want, you're entitled to it. But on the other threads where we are looking for and sharing info, let's lay off the novels, know what I mean?

We have had a break recently on those from one monger who won't go named here having his hand recently slapped. It's been nice.At least this thread has shown me how to use the ignore button. The thread should be called "let's hear it, Captain Obvious".

[CantB1]

[. QUOTE=YoungRestless;2583399]Honestly, I am not sure if people really know why the "Woodshed" was created. Perhaps it is because they started posting on this site after it was created and never had the opportunity to see why A2 created it. It was essentially created (and A2 please correct me if I'm wrong) so that when reviewers dealt with some hot topics and they became angry with each other, they could take heated debates to this particular thread. They could call each other "Mo frucker" or "Sun of a Biatch" etc. This way, they don't have to take up bandwidth on other threads where people only want to discuss finding p-ssy. You can say nasty things to each other on this thread without incurring infractions from A2 which is pretty nice actually.

What I find fascinating is that when we do this (post on a more appropriate thread), folks still get upset and follow you to the thread that is more relevant to the topic and try to rail on ya! I just really don't get it! When certain topics come up on, for example, the BP thread, people become enraged that you're not talking about the latest lay. Alright, understandable but the reason a variety of other threads were created was so that people could discuss more appropriate topics that are more germane to said thread. I can't tell folks where to post and how to post but one thing I'm a firm believer in and that is be respectful of one another and share information no matter how large or small; no matter how significant or insignificant; SHARE! You never know what information might help whoever since we all are on this site for various purposes. What I might be on this site for might be quite different from another poster. Anyhow, if folks want respect then you have to give it, point-blank. While some topics might go on for a minute, give it a little time and patience, they will soon fizzle out and soon enough another topic comes on the scene and we just keep moving on. Anyway, that's my take on why the "Woodshed" was created. [ / QUOTE].

To some mongers this forum is all about paying for what they can't get for free. Give the providers more of a voice and watch these same grumpy old men go back to HUNTING and FISHING in CANADA!

I know that was a slick shot at YR. He can get a little passionate but at least he can still use his big head too. You can't take a blue pill to make that one work.

[Dirty Wild66]

Short but detailed experiences with pussy instead of a lot of this garbage, anyone else with me?


At least this thread has shown me how to use the ignore button. The thread should be called "let's hear it, Captain Obvious".

[Dirty Wild66]

That looks like it was directed at you, it's not.

[MouthHunter]

[.QUOTE=YoungRestless;2583399]Honestly, I am not sure if people really know why the "Woodshed" was created. Perhaps it is because they started posting on this site after it was created and never had the opportunity to see why A2 created it. It was essentially created (and A2 please correct me if I'm wrong) so that when reviewers dealt with some hot topics and they became angry with each other, they could take heated debates to this particular thread. They could call each other "Mo frucker" or "Sun of a Biatch" etc. This way, they don't have to take up bandwidth on other threads where people only want to discuss finding p-ssy. You can say nasty things to each other on this thread without incurring infractions from A2 which is pretty nice actually.

What I find fascinating is that when we do this (post on a more appropriate thread), folks still get upset and follow you to the thread that is more relevant to the topic and try to rail on ya! I just really don't get it! When certain topics come up on, for example, the BP thread, people become enraged that you're not talking about the latest lay. Alright, understandable but the reason a variety of other threads were created was so that people could discuss more appropriate topics that are more germane to said thread. I can't tell folks where to post and how to post but one thing I'm a firm believer in and that is be respectful of one another and share information no matter how large or small; no matter how significant or insignificant; SHARE! You never know what information mig
ht help whoever since we all are on this site for various purposes. What I might be on this site for might be quite different from another poster. Anyhow, if folks want respect then you have to give it, point-blank. While some topics might go on for a minute, give it a little time and patience, they will soon fizzle out and soon enough another topic comes on the scene and we just keep moving on. Anyway, that's my take on why the "Woodshed" was created. To some mongers this forum is all about paying for what they can't get for free. Give the providers more of a voice and watch these same grumpy old men go back to HUNTING and FISHING in CANADA!

I know that was a slick shot at YR. He can get a little passionate but at least he can still use his big head too. You can't take a blue pill to make that one work. [ / QUOTE].

I'm probably younger than most on here and I merely want contribute info that helps find real hoes. I like all us get real civilians ass just at random times. Jesus I'm mad at myself for letting the last one go. Whatever the facts of your life, I don't really care. I just like tRying out new ass. Always have. I won't get married and I don't have kids so no harm to that. Even when I'm not taking part of these girls I do research to help the rest of you out.

[YoungRestless]

For the Fish. Come on man. Start trolling these fake pic chics with your time instead of the novels. It's more productive. And it should increase our reliability factor. Thanks man in advance.

I am not doubting that but as I said before, you can't just look for p-ssy without telling people how to stay safe at the same time (looking responsibly- NOTE: this shet can DESTROY your life!). As I said, there are other threads where if you wanted to discuss specifically getting some, they are listed but they are not the only topics to be discussed. Some folks get on here and talk about the quality of ones posts but yet when I look at what they've posted (and they are senior members with probably more than 400-500 post), all they ask mostly is, "anybody seen this one", "anybody seen that one. " But you hardly ever see them post their exploits yet they try to tell everybody else what to do! Too hilarious!

I agree with Fish, post your exploits where ever appropriate but at the same token don't try to shut down other topics because it might not be to your liking. Some people have been in this hobby for years and they know the ropes well and perhaps some things I might post about might not interest them as they have that been there done that attitude; HOWEVER! There are new folks here ya know who may not know as much as you that require a little more instructional hours. For example, you might have worked for a company for 20 years and another person might work for the same company for just one year. The instructor must know his or her audience. He or she cannot teach a class in a manner based on the one with 20 years of experience because then you lose those who've only been in the industry for a year. Bottom line, have consideration for those whose minds don't work like a computer like yours because they need the same information you may have received many years ago to keep safe. This is my point! And hey, bottom line is, the USA sex guide site's creator created something that is useful, when you get to the point where you don't like another poster's comments, there is a function to block them from seeing your post and you theirs, USE IT!

[YoungRestless]

[.QUOTE=YoungRestless;2583399]Honestly, I am not sure if people really know why the "Woodshed" was created. Perhaps it is because they started posting on this site after it was created and never had the opportunity to see why A2 created it. It was essentially created (and A2 please correct me if I'm wrong) so that when reviewers dealt with some hot topics and they became angry with each other, they could take heated debates to this particular thread. They could call each other "Mo frucker" or "Sun of a Biatch" etc. This way, they don't have to take up bandwidth on other threads where people only want to discuss finding p-ssy. You can say nasty things to each other on this thread without incurring infractions from A2 which is pretty nice actually.

What I find fascinating is that when we do this (post on a more appropriate thread), folks still get upset and follow you to the thread that is more relevant to the topic and try to rail on ya! I just really don't get it! When certain topics come up on, for example, the BP thread, people become enraged that you're not talking about the latest lay. Alright, understandable but the reason a variety of other threads were created was so that people could discuss more appropriate topics that are more germane to said thread. I can't tell folks where to post and how to post but one thing I'm a firm believer in and that is be respectful of one another and share information no matter how large or small; no matter how significant or insignificant; SHARE! You never know what information might help whoever since we all are on this site for various purposes. What I might be on this site for might be quite different from another poster. Anyhow, if folks want respect then you have to give it, point-blank. While some topics might go on for a minute, give it a little time and patience, they will soon fizzle out and soon enough another topic comes on the scene and we just keep moving on. Anyway, that's my take on why the "Woodshed" was created. To some mongers this forum is all about paying for what they can't get for free. Give the providers more of a voice and watch these same grumpy old men go back to HUNTING and FISHING in CANADA!

I know that was a slick shot at YR. He can get a little passionate but at least he can still use his big head too. You can't take a blue pill to make that one work. [ / QUOTE].




But seriously, let me tell you. I have many years of education and going strong. I love the lifestyle I have (financially speaking) and I am not going to allow my search for p-ssy to fruck that up. I can be selfish and just keep my information to myself and let people just hang themselves but because I do tend to care about people and their future, I prefer to warn them. Let me say this, there are some grumpy old azz men on this board who just get their panties in a damn bunch but bottom line is, their azzes might be near retirement and they don't have to worry about filling out application too much longer and having to tell a potential employer that they've been arrested for solicitation of prostitution. I do, however, find it amazing how people get so pissed off that you are trying to help them stay safe! It's pathetic really! Maybe their azzes have already gotten popped multiple times already and my information is too little too late, who knows and who cares (the nasty ones); REALLY!

There are people who really appreciate the discussion and they find it useful. I get PM's from folks who don't have the balls to say (publicly) that they appreciate me for looking out for their best interest. Anyway, just so folks know, I am not mad at ya if you put me on ignore! Look, I don't know you like that so I can care less what you do! I don't sleep with you! I don't work for you! You don't give me a paycheck! When it's all said and done, put me on IGNORE and IGNORE all the advice I've given and do it your way. I don't lose any sleep over it and that's a promise! Not from Allstate but from lil ole me!

[YoungRestless]

To some mongers this forum is all about paying for what they can't get for free. Give the providers more of a voice and watch these same grumpy old men go back to HUNTING and FISHING in CANADA!

I know that was a slick shot at YR. He can get a little passionate but at least he can still use his big head too. You can't take a blue pill to make that one work. I'm probably younger than most on here and I merely want contribute info that helps find real hoes. I like all us get real civilians ass just at random times. Jesus I'm mad at myself for letting the last one go. Whatever the facts of your life, I don't really care. I just like tRying out new ass. Always have. I won't get married and I don't have kids so no harm to that. Even when I'm not taking part of these girls I do research to help the rest of you out.



Me:
As you mentioned, you don't have a wife or children and the only one that will suffer the repercussions of your actions is YOU! Others may have families and such. This particular response may not speak specifically to what you and CB1 are discussing per se but when I saw where you mentioned you are alone, I figured this would be a good opportunity to show you that some information might not be important for you but to others, the information might be lifesaving. Remember, there are other threads where you can talk about p-ssy all day; every day and Sunday too if you wish. Just my $0. 02.

[YoungRestless]

Short but detailed experiences with pussy instead of a lot of this garbage, anyone else with me?Guarantee: Once JSO pop your azz, you're going to wish you had paid "this garbage" some attention homie! You are welcomed to peruse the BP section in search for p-ssy but as I said before, all threads are not necessarily devoted to finding p-ssy! You know, I hope you people who have such an issue with this just very young and immature because then I can understand why you make such ignorant statements but if you're an old head expressing your dissatisfaction then I'd say it's pitiful because you of all folks should know how this hobby can change your lives in more ways than one (NOT FOR THE BETTER)! Now, again, if ya like to only see short post and mine just piss you the hell off, remember the function pete! Do I need to re-pete! Use the function and no body is going to lose sleep over that! Promise!

BTW, some of you have already been popped before by LEO and the reason I know is because you said so! So what's the deal with ya! If you had had this discussion long ago, perhaps ya azz wouldn't have gotten popped; but I digress!

[Dirty Wild66]

Everyone is hinting to you that you're taking up to much space here, no offense. Really.


Guarantee: Once JSO pop your azz, you're going to wish you had paid "this garbage" some attention homie! You are welcomed to peruse the BP section in search for p-ssy but as I said before, all threads are not necessarily devoted to finding p-ssy! You know, I hope you people who have such an issue with this just very young and immature because then I can understand why you make such ignorant statements but if you're an old head expressing your dissatisfaction then I'd say it's pitiful because you of all folks should know how this hobby can change your lives in more ways than one (NOT FOR THE BETTER)! Now, again, if ya like to only see short post and mine just piss you the hell off, remember the function pete! Do I need to re-pete! Use the function and no body is going to lose sleep over that! Promise!

BTW, some of you have already been popped before by LEO and the reason I know is because you said so! So what's the deal with ya! If you had had this discussion long ago, perhaps ya azz wouldn't have gotten popped; but I digress!

[YoungRestless]

Everyone is hinting to you that you're taking up to much space here, no offense. Really.

The bottom line is no matter where one post and how much they post. It can be a small to moderate amount of information and you know what? People still have shet to say. I post on BP thread, then they say, stop posting non-pussy finding topics on this thread! I post on woodshed, oh, you post too much and we don't want to hear about this or that. I never knew how catty and bitchy men can be! I mean, worse than women! LOL.

Ya just can't satisfy everyone! Let me tell ya! I see some things people post on here and I find it ridiculous! The difference between me and some of you is, I really don't care what they post so they will never know of my displeasure. These are grown azz men on this forum and as far as I'm concerned, if they want to post whatever, have at it! It's not my place to tell people what to post! I'm not the moderator! If they post something out of line, we know he will check them. I am not the BOSS of anyone on this board! Neither are you my BOSS!

But seriously, if folks don't like it, you know where the ignore function is and if you don't, I'll be kind enough to help you locate; just ask! LOL.

[Dirty Wild66]

YR, go find some pussy and report it, that's what this is about. Or go teach your classes at the JTB Marriott! Do you have a job?


The bottom line is no matter where one post and how much they post. It can be a small to moderate amount of information and you know what? People still have shet to say. I post on BP thread, then they say, stop posting non-pussy finding topics on this thread! I post on woodshed, oh, you post too much and we don't want to hear about this or that. I never knew how catty and bitchy men can be! I mean, worse than women! LOL.

But seriously, if folks don't like it, you know where the ignore function is and if you don't, I'll be kind enough to help you; just ask! LOL.

[YoungRestless]

YR, go find some pussy and report it, that's what this is about. Or go teach your classes at the JTB Marriott! Do you have a job?Lose sleep and don't you worry about my employment status! Do you have one?! Actually it doesn't matter to me if you have one or not! I beg you, put me on ignore! Please! Ya not hurting my feelings! And ya won't change my go along!

Btw, when folks were talking on this thread about whether or not it's worth marrying a prostitute, where were you to chastise them for this topic? Or did you some how see their topic as relevant to finding p-ssy? Or is there just certain people you like to attack because you think you will win! What is it? How is the subject of marrying a prostitute relevant to finding p-ssy? ANSWER!

Just so you know, I can still see your post so obviously you have not used the IGNORE function yet; when are you going to use it! Arguing with me is taking up bandwidth don't you think!? Love a good debate!

[MouthHunter]

Lose sleep and don't you worry about my employment status! Do you have one?! Actually it doesn't matter to me if you have one or not! I beg you, put me on ignore! Please! Ya not hurting my feelings! And ya won't change my go along!

Btw, when folks were talking on this thread about whether or not it's worth marrying a prostitute, where were you to chastise them for this topic? Or did you some how see their topic as relevant to finding p-ssy? Or is there just certain people you like to attack because you think you will win! What is it? How is the subject of marrying a prostitute relevant to finding p-ssy? ANSWER!

Just so you know, I can still see your post so obviously you have not used the IGNORE function yet; when are you going to use it! Arguing with me is taking up bandwidth don't you think!? Love a good debate!Would be directly related to finding pussy. All in hopes that she's so used to putting out that when you wife her it continues instead of stopping like most of my friend's marriages have ended up.

[CantB1]

Fish took a shot at YR. Like once before MH jumped in. I have no problem with any of you 3. Yea YR can writes some novels. Don't like them skip them. I told him myself that he was babbling. He continued. No dual needed to be made between us. I just think FISH gave a suckered punch for no reason.

I constantly give my voice here. Like it or leave it. Yea this forum is for getting pussy but since no man has ever owned one, so then the women that do own them are kinda important.

No one cares when a monger goes on and on about menus, GFE, daty and greek. Thats par for the course. But get let a dude start talking about the law and staying safe too much and he is she be punished. Why not jump the mongers "eating off these girls plates. " The thought of being date number 19 of 20 for that day of even a cute spinner makes my stomach turn. I wish I would stick my face there. We talk about covers. I would need a rubber ski mask without the mouth hole.

Lets be more considerate on here. FB is where normal people go to hate on each other.

[Quebec]

That looks like it was directed at you, it's not.I know, no problem.

[Red Talon]

I don't think DW understands the purpose of the Woodshed. It's a thread used to take flame wars and other items like what YR is posting off of the other threads. You don't like it? Don't visit.

One more thing, I like the hypocrisy of bitching about the amount of space YR is taking up but then you reply to the same posts and include YR's original posts taking up even more space!

I'll post it again for everyone's benefit.

[YoungRestless]

Would be directly related to finding pussy. All in hopes that she's so used to putting out that when you wife her it continues instead of stopping like most of my friend's marriages have ended up.Nice try but NOT! LOL.

[PT Monger]

Thanks again.


Lose sleep and don't you worry about my employment status! Do you have one?! Actually it doesn't matter to me if you have one or not! I beg you, put me on ignore! Please! Ya not hurting my feelings! And ya won't change my go along!

Btw, when folks were talking on this thread about whether or not it's worth marrying a prostitute, where were you to chastise them for this topic? Or did you some how see their topic as relevant to finding p-ssy? Or is there just certain people you like to attack because you think you will win! What is it? How is the subject of marrying a prostitute relevant to finding p-ssy? ANSWER!

Just so you know, I can still see your post so obviously you have not used the IGNORE function yet; when are you going to use it! Arguing with me is taking up bandwidth don't you think!? Love a good debate!

[Dirty Wild66]

Hey I have nothing against YR, sometimes he actually posts about local women. I'm not upset with anyone. I just think that It get old that anyone replies to every single topic on here. That's all, no offense. I eagerly look forward to some of experts posts on here that have been around awhile. Fish, Old School, Quebec, and there are a few more that when you see their post, you can take it to the bank. Really, not trying to start a war.


I don't think DW understands the purpose of the Woodshed. It's a thread used to take flame wars and other items like what YR is posting off of the other threads. You don't like it? Don't visit.

One more thing, I like the hypocrisy of bitching about the amount of space YR is taking up but then you reply to the same posts and include YR's original posts taking up even more space!

I'll post it again for everyone's benefit.

[YoungRestless]

I don't think DW understands the purpose of the Woodshed. It's a thread used to take flame wars and other items like what YR is posting off of the other threads. You don't like it? Don't visit.

One more thing, I like the hypocrisy of bitching about the amount of space YR is taking up but then you reply to the same posts and include YR's original posts taking up even more space!

I'll post it again for everyone's benefit.I was getting ready to write the same thing. They're trying to chastise me for taking up bandwidth yet they seem to want to reply to all my post and what not. Which means if they're over here bothering me, you're not in the BP threads and such telling us about your sexual exploits which to me is a darn contradiction! You are correct and you put it rather eloquently! Woodshed is for flame wars on topics that become heated. If I talk about my sexual exploit on BP and someone disagrees with me and decide that instead of telling me I'm full of shet on the BP thread and risk getting infractions, A2 created this thread so that we can do that without penalty.

Anyway, if talking about locating p-ssy is that important to you, leave me alone and let me and others see you posting about your latest lay! And while I'm at it, since all you folks want to do is talk about finding p-ssy, why don't we ask A2 to do away with all other threads and create one thread that deals with p-ssy and ONLY p-ssy; nothing else! One thread only. It would probably make his job a little easier if he had to deal with ONE THREAD alone! Can we all agree on this? Can we vote?

[YoungRestless]

Thanks again.Here to assist whenever possible! That's why we're here right?

[YoungRestless]

Hey I have nothing against YR, sometimes he actually posts about local women. I'm not upset with anyone. I just think that It get old that anyone replies to every single topic on here. That's all, no offense. I eagerly look forward to some of experts posts on here that have been around awhile. Fish, Old School, Quebec, and there are a few more that when you see their post, you can take it to the bank. Really, not trying to start a war.

You can determine whose reports you deem as valuable. That certainly is your opinion but honestly some of you are like adolescents! To say that all you want to do is talk about p-ssy and nothing else! That's sounds like a young child that looks at one thing; one track minded but does not have the ability to look at things from other angles. Perhaps you have never been in trouble with the law before but I have known plenty of people that have been. If you don't have the capacity to appreciate the fact that people are endowing you with information that can eventually save you a lot of grief, then forget about it! Anyway, all I've posted about the subject is erroneous anyhow. Please ignore it! You got every right to call a provider and discuss money and sex with her because if you are going to spend your money, you should know what detailed services she offers. Forget about everything I said; I was just babbling and don't know what the hell I was thinking about! Perhaps I ate the wrong thing and got gas and started on this fruitless diatribe! Please forgive me fellas! Let me get on over in my little corner and keep my mouth closed and never talk about this issue again! Remember though, make sure you get the details about the sex act you're looking for from a provider; you work hard for that money and you have a right to know! Carry on gents! Find your p-ssy!

[Red Talon]

Hey, at least I didn't tell you to go "f" yourself! Seriously, it's all in good fun. No malicious intent was meant. See, I posted and didn't include the original post thus saving space! LOL.

[YoungRestless]

It was stated on here that all you have to do is show up at a hooker sting and they can arrest you. I will say that showing up at a sting, anything can happen but where I disagree, on a large scale basis, I don't believe this is their (LEO) usual practice by any means.

Consider this: In most industries, are company using more employees to do the work or are they hiring less employees to do more work? I would say it's the later. Companies have leaned up in recent years. I say this to point out that LEOs, the courts, the state attorneys office are not immune to these changes. Their case load is tremendously high. Now, do you think they will develop a policy that during a sting they (LEO) are to arrest everybody who shows up? Knowing all the work they have cut out for them on the front and back end? That's a lot of work!

The state attorney's office knows that if they don't have a recording (evidence) showing that the law was broken, all they have is a bunch of frivolous arrests that they have to deal with that will eventually get overturned. There is no judicial economy in this kind of practice at all! Some may get jacked like Stewie did, provided a mistake was made; I suppose it's possible the error could have been purposely made as well. Anyway, as I said, on a large scale basis, I doubt if LEO would adopt the policy that anyone who shows up goes downtown. If I was a prosecutor or judge and I had to deal with what amounts to is false arrests, I would not be very happy!

Just food for thought!

[JaxDog]

It was stated on here that all you have to do is show up at a hooker sting and they can arrest you. I will say that showing up at a sting, anything can happen but where I disagree, on a large scale basis, I don't believe this is their (LEO) usual practice by any means.

Consider this: In most industries, are company using more employees to do the work or are they hiring less employees to do more work? I would say it's the later. Companies have leaned up in recent years. I say this to point out that LEOs, the courts, the state attorneys office are not immune to these changes. Their case load is tremendously high. Now, do you think they will develop a policy that during a sting they (LEO) are to arrest everybody who shows up? Knowing all the work they have cut out for them on the front and back end? That's a lot of work!

The state attorney's office knows that if they don't have a recording (evidence) showing that the law was broken, all they have is a bunch of frivolous arrests that they have to deal with that will eventually get overturned. There is no judicial economy in this kind of practice at all! Some may get jacked like Stewie did, provided a mistake was made; I suppose it's possible the error could have been purposely made as well. Anyway, as I said, on a large scale basis, I doubt if LEO would adopt the policy that anyone who shows up goes downtown. If I was a prosecutor or judge and I had to deal with what amounts to is false arrests, I would not be very happy!

Just food for thought!Restless my friend your way off base here! The public sector as opposed to the private sector has seen very little in the way of budget cuts, there are not less police officers, prosecutors and judges there are more. When you here of budget cuts in the public sector rarely are they talking about true spending cuts, typically their speaking of a spending freeze, true spending cuts are not part of their vocabulary. I also know from speaking with friends on the police force, that's right I have friends that are police officers and one in particular that is a high ranking official at JSO that's a neighbor of mine and I've become fairly close too. They will indeed arrest you for just showing up at a sting operation having contacted one of their decoys whether you talked about having sex or not. Stevie's case is the norm not the exception. Just show up at a room where the police are waiting and see what happens, I'm afraid your going to be in for a rude awakening. JD.

[TankerJo3]

I usually take my own to mitigate this occurrence. They do sometime run out, plus I get to use the tool I prefer. Some condoms arent nearly sensitive enough.Condom of choice? This could probably be a thread. Can you do pole threads on this forum? I haven't seen one yet.

[MouthHunter]

This right here for you too look into.

[The Preacher]

Condom of choice? This could probably be a thread. Can you do pole threads on this forum? I haven't seen one yet.I would be interested in this topic as well.

[Voltron94]

Condom of choice? This could probably be a thread. Can you do pole threads on this forum? I haven't seen one yet.The popular choice I've noticed among providers is Trojan Bare Skin Lubricated, and the Magnum version of the same. They work just fine for me.

[The Preacher]

They will indeed arrest you for just showing up at a sting operation having contacted one of their decoys whether you talked about having sex or not. Stevie's case is the norm not the exception. Just show up at a room where the police are waiting and see what happens, I'm afraid your going to be in for a rude awakening. JD.This got me thinking. Do the cops typically use decoys or BP vets in these stings? Like one of our trusted ATF's.

[YoungRestless]

Restless my friend your way off base here! The public sector as opposed to the private sector has seen very little in the way of budget cuts, there are not less police officers, prosecutors and judges there are more. When you here of budget cuts in the public sector rarely are they talking about true spending cuts, typically their speaking of a spending freeze, true spending cuts are not part of their vocabulary. I also know from speaking with friends on the police force, that's right I have friends that are police officers and one in particular that is a high ranking official at JSO that's a neighbor of mine and I've become fairly close too. They will indeed arrest you for just showing up at a sting operation having contacted one of their decoys whether you talked about having sex or not. Stevie's case is the norm not the exception. Just show up at a room where the police are waiting and see what happens, I'm afraid your going to be in for a rude awakening. JD.

I have shown up at several and I know for sure they were cops and I know for sure they were waiting for me to say the key words (which I never did) and I ALWAYS went home. Also our legal system is inundated with cases and are back logged many many months so to say they have more than enough wouldn't make sense would it? You ever had to wait for a police officer to show up at your home after you call them? You'll be waiting forever! Why do you think they hired those community officers? To lessen their (LEO) load.

Now, you said the case in Polk county, they were arresting everyone that showed up, whether they discussed sex/money or not; please provide me with the resource where you got this information from? Citing a JSO officer who does not work in the sex crimes unit does not do it for me. Why? Well first of all just because you work for JSO, does not mean you are fully knowledgeable about what goes on in each individual department. Hell, in my company, there are so many departments and I can't tell you about the intricacies that goes on in each department and I am sure your JSO friend can't either. There is so much information or knowledge to be known in any given industry or discipline, that it is impossible to know everything which is the reason why we see specialization in just about every profession. I wouldn't want a real estate attorney representing me in a murder case just because he's an attorney; give me a criminal defense attorney! Now, let me give you a little proof:

If you can remember, years ago, JSO was doing a reverse prostitution sting where they nabbed that basketball coach (smiley or whatever his name was) for trying to hook up with a hooker. Among those who were arrested was a what?! A homicide detective who had been on the force for years! Let me provide you with another example, one recent incident where the police CHIEF in Miami was nabbed for soliciting for prostitution and his azz had to resign! And he was the frucking police CHIEF!

The point is, whether high up the chain and on the bottom, just because you work for JSO/LEO does not mean you know what goes on in every department. Now, I am going to ask you the question I asked several days ago, where did you get the information that Polk county LEO were arresting everybody who showed up even if they didn't agree to sex for money. Please provide the source. Newspaper? Internet story? Arrest report? The head of the department or someone who works within that department? Please provide sir! Not saying you're lying but I need facts!

Now, let me say this to ya, the day anyone of us find out that LEO arrest people who show up at prostitution stings as a NORM (whether they incriminate themselves or not) and we are still chasing p-ssy, this is the day we need to have our heads examined! Who in their right minds would take on such risk! Anyway, like I have said (and man, I can tell some stories), I am not that good looking or special in any way, form, or fashion; I have went to several and I have never gotten arrested for solicitation; NEVER! It wasn't because of my good looks! Not saying it can't happen but not the NORM!

IF I had only been to one sting, then you might say I got, as you say, lucky, but I have been to several and have NEVER had this issue! One thing about it, I was always polite and respectful. I wasn't arrogant or anything like that. But let me tell you how effective I am, one time I went to a sting (and to make long story short), I was so effective that one of the officers wanted to know who did I know that worked for JSO who schooled me on their sex stings. What does that tell ya! One vice female officer (with her sexy azz) told me after she tried to get me to admit that I wanted sex for money (which I never did) told me how well I had done while she tried to trap me! Her words," you did go!" Yeah, I know I did!

Again, please provide me your source for where you got your information. Thank you!

An example of a police lieutenant arrested for solicitation:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-glendale-officer-prostitution-sting-paid-leave-20140926-story.html

A detective here:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/03/29/boston-police-officer-arrested-in-prostitution-sting/

Just because you're a police officer does NOT automatically give you credibility!

[YoungRestless]

This got me thinking. Do the cops typically use decoys or BP vets in these stings? Like one of our trusted ATF's.In other stings, like drug stings, why not?

[YoungRestless]

In this country:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96570&page=1


This another nice article that cites the backlog of many court cases; one reason for it is because not enough judges:

http://www.c-ville.com/the-price-of-delay-why-court-backlog-is-a-serious-problem-for-charlottesville/#.VdLVHDZRFMs

[CantB1]

You are debating every statement made in the 'shed. This ain't Jeopardy, you can't have all the answers to every question. I enjoy this thread more than any other. I like opinions, personal stories, and the social aspect of this thread. But dammit man! You are eating up all the poppycock.

I watch Law and Order, Judge Mathis, Cops, and The OJ Trial but that does make me know the law any better than the next monger. Ya dig!

CB1.

Where is Poniboi? Please give us something YR can't debate.

[ThePrivAsst]

Creating another thread for posts that won't get filed correctly is a waste of time. Do you know how many hobbyists posted Sugar info in the BP Ad thread since it was started? And how many non-pussy reports are in the Don't Do It Stay Away, Escort and BP Ad threads? Now, how many Known Fake Pic reports should we start seeing everywhere but where it belongs?

Lately, as a reader, I get lost or bored trying to follow any kind of conversation because there are so many irrelevant responses cluttering up the threads and / or not enough information to know who you're talking about. AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I feel for the new guys.

[JaxDog]

I have shown up at several and I know for sure they were cops and I know for sure they were waiting for me to say the key words (which I never did) and I ALWAYS went home. Also our legal system is inundated with cases and are back logged many many months so to say they have more than enough wouldn't make sense would it? You ever had to wait for a police officer to show up at your home after you call them? You'll be waiting forever! Why do you think they hired those community officers? To lessen their (LEO) load.

Now, you said the case in Polk county, they were arresting everyone that showed up, whether they discussed sex/money or not; please provide me with the resource where you got this information from? Citing a JSO officer who does not work in the sex crimes unit does not do it for me. Why? Well first of all just because you work for JSO, does not mean you are fully knowledgeable about what goes on in each individual department. Hell, in my company, there are so many departments and I can't tell you about the intricacies that goes on in each department and I am sure your JSO friend can't either. There is so much information or knowledge to be known in any given industry or discipline, that it is impossible to know everything which is the reason why we see specialization in just about every profession. I wouldn't want a real estate attorney representing me in a murder case just because he's an attorney; give me a criminal defense attorney! Now, let me give you a little proof:

If you can remember, years ago, JSO was doing a reverse prostitution sting where they nabbed that basketball coach (smiley or whatever his name was) for trying to hook up with a hooker. Among those who were arrested was a what?! A homicide detective who had been on the force for years! Let me provide you with another example, one recent incident where the police CHIEF in Miami was nabbed for soliciting for prostitution and his azz had to resign! And he was the frucking police CHIEF!

The point is, whether high up the chain and on the bottom, just because you work for JSO/LEO does not mean you know what goes on in every department. Now, I am going to ask you the question I asked several days ago, where did you get the information that Polk county LEO were arresting everybody who showed up even if they didn't agree to sex for money. Please provide the source. Newspaper? Internet story? Arrest report? The head of the department or someone who works within that department? Please provide sir! Not saying you're lying but I need facts!

Now, let me say this to ya, the day anyone of us find out that LEO arrest people who show up at prostitution stings as a NORM (whether they incriminate themselves or not) and we are still chasing p-ssy, this is the day we need to have our heads examined! Who in their right minds would take on such risk! Anyway, like I have said (and man, I can tell some stories), I am not that good looking or special in any way, form, or fashion; I have went to several and I have never gotten arrested for solicitation; NEVER! It wasn't because of my good looks! Not saying it can't happen but not the NORM!

IF I had only been to one sting, then you might say I got, as you say, lucky, but I have been to several and have NEVER had this issue! One thing about it, I was always polite and respectful. I wasn't arrogant or anything like that. But let me tell you how effective I am, one time I went to a sting (and to make long story short), I was so effective that one of the officers wanted to know who did I know that worked for JSO who schooled me on their sex stings. What does that tell ya! One vice female officer (with her sexy azz) told me after she tried to get me to admit that I wanted sex for money (which I never did) told me how well I had done while she tried to trap me! Her words," you did go!" Yeah, I know I did!

Again, please provide me your source for where you got your information. Thank you!

An example of a police lieutenant arrested for solicitation:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-glendale-officer-prostitution-sting-paid-leave-20140926-story.html

A detective here:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/03/29/boston-police-officer-arrested-in-prostitution-sting/

Just because you're a police officer does NOT automatically give you credibility!I'm done debating this point with you, it's your right to believe what you will, this is still America even if the police don't act that way at times! If your interested in seeing information on the Polk county stings do a google search and you'll find the information your looking for. JD.

[JaxQt]

The popular choice I've noticed among providers is Trojan Bare Skin Lubricated, and the Magnum version of the same. They work just fine for me.Lifestyle Skinz Large (Magnum equivalent) are the way to go. Polyisoprene feels way better than latex.

[Fishguy717]

For the Fish. Come on man. Start trolling these fake pic chics with your time instead of the novels. It's more productive. And it should increase our reliability factor. Thanks man in advance.Oh trust me, I don't read the novels. I have no idea how some mongers have so much time on their hands. I skip over them.

[YoungRestless]

Oh trust me, I don't read the novels. I have no idea how some mongers have so much time on their hands. I skip over them.And for the record, don't worry about my time; that's my biz! But multi-tasking isn't an impossible task ya know! Only teenagers just worry about getting p-ssy without thinking about the ramifications of their actions! Btw, there's a discussion going on over on BP thread about condoms; has nothing to do with the latest sexual exploits of others. Is someone going over there to shut them down or chastise them for getting off topic?! Just curious!

[Dirty Wild66]

I thought we were done with this.


And for the record, don't worry about my time; that's my biz! But multi-tasking isn't an impossible task ya know! Only teenagers just worry about getting p-ssy without thinking about the ramifications of their actions! Btw, there's a discussion going on over on BP thread about condoms; has nothing to do with the latest sexual exploits of others. Is someone going over there to shut them down or chastise them for getting off topic?! Just curious!

[The Preacher]

I don't always read the entire post when they are too long, but I definitely browse them for key words and pull what valuable knowledge I can from them.

[HobbyGuyJax]

Isn't The Woodshed where the bitcxing, complaining, personal attacks on fellow mongers, lengthy dissertations, pontifications, etc etc are suppose to be posted? So why then do we complain about them? Read them or don't read them. If you think they waste your time then don't go to the Woodshed. I for one have no issue with any postings, except the ones that attack the messenger and not the message. I use to call out what I thought were bogus posts, you know, like the ones where someone, a SM even, says they had a great, special time with a couple of ladies even though every other post over the last month has been how bad, nasty, drugged, downhill, pimp boy controlled they are. Don't do it anymore because it's wasted bandwidth. The upfront Mongers know the truth and the guys posting the bogus reports obviously don't care to contribute any truthful posts as they probably have a financial stake in the girl.

Good intelligence can come from many small pieces of information. It's all good in my book and at least the Woodshed postings add some levity and humour to our day.

It's a free, open Forum where ALL members are considered equals, is it not?

Post on, read on, monger on.

[Darnell2]

Lifestyle Skinz Large (Magnum equivalent) are the way to go. Way to make us all feel emasculated. While I'm stuck here wearing Trojan Jr's.

[The Preacher]

Way to make us all feel emasculated. While I'm stuck here wearing Trojan Jr's.LOL! I was just about to say that it seems like most of the brothers here are hung like porn stars. .

[Member #6355]

Way to make us all feel emasculated. While I'm stuck here wearing Trojan Jr's.I always mail-order Young-Guy Asian Extra Smalls, LOL.

[Fishguy717]

Isn't The Woodshed where the bitcxing, complaining, personal attacks on fellow mongers, lengthy dissertations, pontifications, etc etc are suppose to be posted? So why then do we complain about them? Read them or don't read them. If you think they waste your time then don't go to the Woodshed. I for one have no issue with any postings, except the ones that attack the messenger and not the message. I use to call out what I thought were bogus posts, you know, like the ones where someone, a SM even, says they had a great, special time with a couple of ladies even though every other post over the last month has been how bad, nasty, drugged, downhill, pimp boy controlled they are. Don't do it anymore because it's wasted bandwidth. The upfront Mongers know the truth and the guys posting the bogus reports obviously don't care to contribute any truthful posts as they probably have a financial stake in the girl.

Good intelligence can come from many small pieces of information. It's all good in my book and at least the Woodshed postings add some levity and humour to our day.

It's a free, open Forum where ALL members are considered equals, is it not?

Post on, read on, monger on.We may as well get something cranked up, since it's the Woodshed, after all. JTM, I just looked through your last 150 posts, ran out of time to go any further. Out of the last 150, there are NONE where you state that you actually saw a provider. Sorry guys, but it bugs me. I don't care about the post count, but if you are going to post so often on so many threads, how about posting an actual current experience?

That ought to get someone riled up. Here we go.

[Dirty Wild66]

Might as well make the board interesting, LOL.


We may as well get something cranked up, since it's the Woodshed, after all. JTM, I just looked through your last 150 posts, ran out of time to go any further. Out of the last 150, there are NONE where you state that you actually saw a provider. Sorry guys, but it bugs me. I don't care about the post count, but if you are going to post so often on so many threads, how about posting an actual current experience?

That ought to get someone riled up. Here we go.

[HobbyGuyJax]

We may as well get something cranked up, since it's the Woodshed, after all. JTM, I just looked through your last 150 posts, ran out of time to go any further. Out of the last 150, there are NONE where you state that you actually saw a provider. Sorry guys, but it bugs me. I don't care about the post count, but if you are going to post so often on so many threads, how about posting an actual current experience?

That ought to get someone riled up. Here we go.You are exactly right, I haven't reported on many experiences for three reasons. One is because I've hit a dry spell of finding ALL the flakes and fakes on BP and CL, as I've reported. Secondly, the talent lately has been in my humble opine, awful and not much out there worth seeing anywhere in my various travels. Lastly, I've been med down, so thanks for the concern. Posts don't always have to be about seeing ladies in order to be useful.

Thanks for making my point about attacking the messenger.

And I for one and not going to get into a long winded back and forth in the Woodshed about anything so minor.

[YoungRestless]

I thought we were done with this.And only wanted to discuss chasing p-sssy! Why are you and others still over here!?

[YoungRestless]

Isn't The Woodshed where the bitcxing, complaining, personal attacks on fellow mongers, lengthy dissertations, pontifications, etc etc are suppose to be posted? So why then do we complain about them? Read them or don't read them. If you think they waste your time then don't go to the Woodshed. I for one have no issue with any postings, except the ones that attack the messenger and not the message. I use to call out what I thought were bogus posts, you know, like the ones where someone, a SM even, says they had a great, special time with a couple of ladies even though every other post over the last month has been how bad, nasty, drugged, downhill, pimp boy controlled they are. Don't do it anymore because it's wasted bandwidth. The upfront Mongers know the truth and the guys posting the bogus reports obviously don't care to contribute any truthful posts as they probably have a financial stake in the girl.

Good intelligence can come from many small pieces of information. It's all good in my book and at least the Woodshed postings add some levity and humour to our day.

It's a free, open Forum where ALL members are considered equals, is it not?

Post on, read on, monger on.Some of these clowns want to control what you say no matter where you post! I guess they're hen pecked at home and their SO runs things and they think since they can't run things at home, they'll come here and bully folks! But not here! Ya won't bully me! I feel the same way though; every piece of info can be helpful and if one does not care to read it, skip over it. My issue is not so much that people may disagree but it's how they approach me! They approach me as if they are trying to chastise or belittle me and that's not going to happen either! I'm not afraid of one soul on this forum! All I wish to do is make sure we have the upper hand on LEO and some of these butt-holes act like I've committed a crime in doing so! Oh well! Read! Don't read! Your choice! I'm not mad either way! Thanks for making sense!

[YoungRestless]

We may as well get something cranked up, since it's the Woodshed, after all. JTM, I just looked through your last 150 posts, ran out of time to go any further. Out of the last 150, there are NONE where you state that you actually saw a provider. Sorry guys, but it bugs me. I don't care about the post count, but if you are going to post so often on so many threads, how about posting an actual current experience?

That ought to get someone riled up. Here we go.As I have always said, we are all supposed to be grown azz men on this board! Who are you or anyone else to tell folks what they should and should not post!? Do what you do and let others do what they do! Honestly, whether you like what the man says or not, it was the truth and the problem with some of you, you don't want to hear the truth do ya! Now if he (JTM) had came on here kissing your azz and worshipping you and making a shrine to you like some of these other clowns, you would have been fine with him and you would have never brought your assessment of what he does to his attention!

Truth of the matter is, we won't be able to satisfy everyone no matter what! This is not the purpose of this board- to satisfy each other! These providers are the ones who you seek satisfaction from! If many of you learned how to speak to folks in a more professional / tactful; manner, people wouldn't have hard feelings but as I said, you start picking on certain ones, trying to bully and gang up on folks just because you don't like them for whatever reason, well; if FISH can DISH it out! Ya better be ready to take it when it returns back on ya! Now we can move on from here and be civil or we can continue to fight amongst ourselves (I'm ready- either / or); what is it!?

[Fishguy717]

As I have always said, we are all supposed to be grown azz men on this board! Who are you or anyone else to tell folks what they should and should not post!? Do what you do and let others do what they do! Honestly, whether you like what the man says or not, it was the truth and the problem with some of you, you don't want to hear the truth do ya! Now if he (JTM) had came on here kissing your azz and worshipping you and making a shrine to you like some of these other clowns, you would have been fine with him and you would have never brought your assessment of what he does to his attention!

Truth of the matter is, we won't be able to satisfy everyone no matter what! This is not the purpose of this board- to satisfy each other! These providers are the ones who you seek satisfaction from! If many of you learned how to speak to folks in a more professional / tactful; manner, people wouldn't have hard feelings but as I said, you start picking on certain ones, trying to bully and gang up on folks just because you don't like them for whatever reason, well; if FISH can DISH it out! Ya better be ready to take it when it returns back on ya! Now we can move on from here and be civil or we can continue to fight amongst ourselves (I'm ready- either / or); what is it!?Wow, look at YandR taking up for JTM. You know, they sound a lot alike. No, it couldn't be. Uh-oh, just checked the last 100 posts from YandR, and no admittance of seeing a provider there either. Wow.

[Not My Job]

We may as well get something cranked up, since it's the Woodshed, after all. JTM, I just looked through your last 150 posts, ran out of time to go any further. Out of the last 150, there are NONE where you state that you actually saw a provider. Sorry guys, but it bugs me. I don't care about the post count, but if you are going to post so often on so many threads, how about posting an actual current experience?

That ought to get someone riled up. Here we go.


Wow, look at YandR taking up for JTM. You know, they sound a lot alike. No, it couldn't be. Uh-oh, just checked the last 100 posts from YandR, and no admittance of seeing a provider there either. Wow.Word! Since I don't post as often (in my old age) I did not feel qualified to state what I found to be so obvious, but I'm glad that a MORE qualified Senior stepped forward. Thanks!

NMJ.

[Red Talon]

Word! Since I don't post as often (in my old age) I did not feel qualified to state what I found to be so obvious, but I'm glad that a MORE qualified Senior stepped forward. Thanks!

NMJ.More qualified? Just from a high post count? Some of us value our privacy to a very high degree and don't feel right about posting meetings with providers. I have in the past but sparingly as you just never know who is watching. It's a double edged sword for me, I know I should post my experiences so others can garner information they may need but I'm conflicted in doing so. That being said, I try to post where providers may be trouble or are a bad experience so no-one falls into a mess. I've also chimed in against posts I know to be total bullshit but I try to limit hearsay and stick with facts. This isn't meant with malice, I just found the "MORE qualified" statement curious. Stay safe!

[HobbyGuyJax]

I bow down to the Forum God's for us mortal beings are not worthy of being in your presence and wasting your ever so precious time and attention. We ask for your forgiveness of our transgressions, of which there are many. I acknowledge beyond doubt that your sexual prowess belays storied exploits and sexual fulfillment of a cosmic nature, enjoyed by man, woman and beast alike. I lay prostrate at your feet begging for your Godly wisdom and forgiveness and offer you my posterior virginity, for you have shown your preference for such activities.

In all my humbleness and unworthiness I dare to offend you once again with a mere mortal suggestion.

Ignore button.

Because we are both omnipresent and omniscient we knew that you would ask for this on this day. That is why many, MANY years ago we added an ignore button.

Click the persons name
Click View Profile
Click Add to Ignore List

Honestly, put some tinfoil in your baseball cap because I really can read your thoughts.

A2

[Lurker2012]

More qualified? Just from a high post count?Don't think he is referring to a high post count. It's how relevant or informative your posts are.

For example, there is one senior member on here which I will not call out but over 75% of his posts are him sending a PM to someone for more info. He has messaged me numerous times looking for free handouts.

Senior status does give some credibility but there are a few people with over xxx posts that just seem long winded, not providing pertinent information or just crave the social interaction a forum provides. I'm not going to speak for them in which applies but there are a handful of members I just scroll past whenever they post.

[YoungRestless]

Wow, look at YandR taking up for JTM. You know, they sound a lot alike. No, it couldn't be. Uh-oh, just checked the last 100 posts from YandR, and no admittance of seeing a provider there either. Wow.Too laughable! Who cares how many posts you have! Not me! The man told the truth. He wasn't sticking up for me nor was he coming to my rescue; he just stated the facts boss; that's all! Learn to admit when you're wrong partner; it's good for ya!

[YoungRestless]

Word! Since I don't post as often (in my old age) I did not feel qualified to state what I found to be so obvious, but I'm glad that a MORE qualified Senior stepped forward. Thanks!

NMJ.Another one of Fish's azz kissers and shrine builders! Why don't you be your own man and stop kissing someone else's azz! You don't even know what it is about do you! You just jump on the one with most post counts and made your decision huh? Anyway, be your own man and stop kissing up! JTM did nothing but state what the rules are regarding the 'woodshed!' Why get upset about that! Pathetic!

[Fishguy717]

Another one of Fish's azz kissers and shrine builders! Why don't you be your own man and stop kissing someone else's azz! You don't even know what it is about do you! You just jump on the one with most post counts and made your decision huh? Anyway, be your own man and stop kissing up! JTM did nothing but state what the rules are regarding the 'woodshed!' Why get upset about that! Pathetic!Settle down, Jactionville. Oops! Didn't mean to point out another alias. I don't care if I only had 100 posts, I'd still be saying the same thing about your 4 or 5 aliases, how ever many you've had by now.

[YoungRestless]

More qualified? Just from a high post count? Some of us value our privacy to a very high degree and don't feel right about posting meetings with providers. I have in the past but sparingly as you just never know who is watching. It's a double edged sword for me, I know I should post my experiences so others can garner information they may need but I'm conflicted in doing so. That being said, I try to post where providers may be trouble or are a bad experience so no-one falls into a mess. I've also chimed in against posts I know to be total bullshit but I try to limit hearsay and stick with facts. This isn't meant with malice, I just found the "MORE qualified" statement curious. Stay safe!

It should be about sharing information- whatever you're comfortable with. I don't and wouldn't have a problem with that. If you're not comfortable, hey, who am I too judge you about that! There is a certain way I post too as far as content is concerned. For example, whenever I talk about the LEO situation, I try to be careful about how much I divulge because I don't know if they remember who I was or if they kept records, so I try to speak in sort of general terms.

Any who, the bottom line is people on here need to respect one another and stop trying to be 2nd or 3rd chair moderator! Last I heard or seen, there is only ONE moderator for this board. I only have one parent alive. I have my own bosses that I work for and have to answer to. Other than that, I don't have to comply with the mandates that some folks try to set on this board other than the rules already set forth which I try to follow to the letter and if I don't, A2 isn't shy about saying so.

Let me tell you something, people are on this site for various reasons. Some may have chased enough p-ssy in a lifetime until the only thing they're on here for is to just share their past experiences. They might not be actively in the game of pursuing snatch and ya know what, that is their prerogative! The experiences they share can be invaluable so why not just embrace that instead of trying to be the judge of who should be doing what!

Look, if folks are going to continue to get their panties in a twist about what a grown azz man post on his own computer, let's just take a vote right now about creating ONLY one thread about chasing p-ssy. No other conversation can be discussed; other than chasing p-ssy and if someone post anything else, their shet gets deleted. Since people are so frucking sensitive about what a grown azz man post on his own system!

Anyone vote to have one thread? Anyone vote to keep multiple threads as they are? Which way do you vote?

[YoungRestless]

Settle down, Jactionville. Oops! Didn't mean to point out another alias. I don't care if I only had 100 posts, I'd still be saying the same thing about your 4 or 5 aliases, how ever many you've had by now.I welcome A2 to check his system to see if your statement is true or false! I guarantee you it is absolutely false! But then again, what is it to you if I did have a 1000 aliases? You're just a grumpy, miserable, old azz man that can't get your way so you come on here trying to make anyone else miserable! But guess what Ms. Goddess, I don't give a damn! So, I am still trying to understand why you're still over here posting when you should be over on BP thread talking about your sexual exploits! You're a CONTRADICTION! Getting upset about grown men posting what they want yet I don't see you over on BP being an example Mr. Post count over 1000! LOL.

You're nothing and less than nothing! You mean nothing to me! Go on over to the other thread and tell us about the p-ssy you got lately and stop wasting bandwidth! LOL.

Tell you what: if I'm JTM or Jactionville, I will give you $1000 but if I'm not, you go away forever! How bout that Piss; I mean Fish!?

[YoungRestless]

Note to Piss, I mean Fish!

Not that it's your biz but since you have interjected yourself into my affairs, I guess I should indulge you a bit!

One of the main reasons you don't see me posting a lot is because I am trying to wean myself away from the hobby. Of course, this is none of your damn biz but since you're concerned! I am tired of spending tons of money on NOTHING! I hate to say it but I have probably been spending about $1600 per month and something has to give. I still like to post on here from time to time; sometimes more; sometimes less. At any rate, you likely won't see much in a way of sexual exploits from me now or near future so if this is an issue for you and you don't think you can live without my sexual escapades, you might want to get some therapy about that. You know, that's some bitchy / catty shet! LOL.

Worried about someone's posts counts! Too funny! Anyway, this is what it is noisy!

Let me tell you something, people are on this site for various reasons. Some may have chased enough p-ssy in a lifetime until the only thing they're on here for is to just share their past experiences. They might not be actively in the game of pursuing snatch and ya know what, that is their prerogative! The experiences they share can be invaluable so why not just embrace that instead of trying to be the judge of who should be doing what!!

Personally one reason I talk about law enforcement issues as it relate to this hobby is because when things go wrong, peoples lives' are affected in a major way. Since I know many people whose lives are affected by criminal records, I feel that I can share something that can be invaluable for many; if not you, then others! You can't speak for the entire board! What you might know after being in this hobby for 20-30 years, others won't know because they are still little lads in the game. You people try to shut people down which isn't fair to those who need an education on the do's and don'ts! This thing can really mess up someone's life and I am sure those who have gotten busted more than once wish this kind of conversation would have been discussed as it could have saved them lots of grief! Anyway, I will continue to post about this as long as there's a need; like it or not!

[YoungRestless]

Don't think he is referring to a high post count. It's how relevant or informative your posts are.

For example, there is one senior member on here which I will not call out but over 75% of his posts are him sending a PM to someone for more info. He has messaged me numerous times looking for free handouts.

Senior status does give some credibility but there are a few people with over xxx posts that just seem long winded, not providing pertinent information or just crave the social interaction a forum provides. I'm not going to speak for them in which applies but there are a handful of members I just scroll past whenever they post.Just keep on scrolling! Well said indeed!

[Maxsexsation]

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[HobbyGuyJax]

Why is it that you Americans' have lost the sense of humor for which you are so famous for?

The Woodshed has turned out to be so predictable it's lost all of its humorous value.

You do realize that very few cities have a Woodshed type section, do you not?

One must wonder what it is about JAX mongers that causes all of this disconcerting behavior?

Endowment? Sexual abilities? Something in the water perhaps?

Yes I have multiple alias's on this Forum but you haven't guessed what they are, never will, and more importantly, why do you even care?

Those who have taken the time to meet me, share a beer, stories and such know why I'm doing my rehabilitation in JAX instead of my native country and where I will head back to, as soon as I get my medical condition signed off and license to operate renewed. Funny thing. I was criticized after one of my very first posts for not being a native speaking American, which I am not, although I am native fluent in four other languages and hold a dual American citizenship. Is that kind of criticism really acceptable under any circumstances?

The real funny thing about all of these personal attacks on members is that on of my best fucks in JAX is the wife of a vocal Forum member who complains about numerous mongers for no reasonable reason whatsoever. You see she found out he was cheating on her with BP girls and answered one of my CL ads, as she was looking for some revenge fucking. She evens knows his Forum alias and likes it when I read her his exploit posts and complaints while she sucks my hard cock and so expertly tongues that delicate rosebud. Perhaps before I return to work overseas I'll post a POV picture of her savoring a cock which is obviously not his. I wonder if he ever wondered why sometimes she was so wet and ready for him on those rare occasions he can even get a semi-enough erection to attempt sex with her, even though his foreplay is short and uninspiring? Do you think he ever wondered if it was because she had multiple loads of other men's cum dripping from her pussy and ass?

Monger on, pussy awaits for those who dare.

[CantB1]

Creating another thread for posts that won't get filed correctly is a waste of time. Do you know how many hobbyists posted Sugar info in the BP Ad thread since it was started? And how many non-pussy reports are in the Don't Do It Stay Away, Escort and BP Ad threads? Now, how many Known Fake Pic reports should we start seeing everywhere but where it belongs?

Lately, as a reader, I get lost or bored trying to follow any kind of conversation because there are so many irrelevant responses cluttering up the threads and / or not enough information to know who you're talking about. AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I feel for the new guys.Well maybe we need a "private assistant" to organized our clusterfuck of jargon. Send A2 your resume and 3 monger reference.

[Fishguy717]

Well, that felt kinda good! First time I vented on the Woodshed. Now back to the important threads. G'night.

[YoungRestless]

You are exactly right, I haven't reported on many experiences for three reasons. One is because I've hit a dry spell of finding ALL the flakes and fakes on BP and CL, as I've reported. Secondly, the talent lately has been in my humble opine, awful and not much out there worth seeing anywhere in my various travels. Lastly, I've been med down, so thanks for the concern. Posts don't always have to be about seeing ladies in order to be useful.

Thanks for making my point about attacking the messenger.

And I for one and not going to get into a long winded back and forth in the Woodshed about anything so minor.I pretty much said some of the same things; the talent is a hot mess and sometimes we've had enough p-ssy to last a lifetime; however, still, there is a way to contribute and folks can benefit. Man, this shet can be expensive! Like throwing money in the wind!

[HobbyGuyJax]

Found this on the Orlando Board posted by Camera3. Thought it might be useful.

To anyone in this hobby who knowingly is breaking the law (hmmmm, most of us, I guess), here is a "must-see" lecture. The first part is by a law professor on talking to the police. You will be shocked. The second part is by a police officer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

It is long but worth every minute.

C3.

[JaxDog]

Found this on the Orlando Board posted by Camera3. Thought it might be useful.

To anyone in this hobby who knowingly is breaking the law (hmmmm, most of us, I guess), here is a "must-see" lecture. The first part is by a law professor on talking to the police. You will be shocked. The second part is by a police officer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

It is long but worth every minute.

C3.Great video JTM and words to live by, everyone should watch and learn. JD.

[TankerJo3]

There's only been a small handful of you who have chimed in on a topic I think most newbies (and maybe some seniors) can benefit from.

What is. In your experience. The most sensitive, transparent feeling, top quality condom on the market today?. And Why?

Thank you much to those who offered info on this. It is very much appreciated.

[SkyWalker13]

Why is it that you Americans' have lost the sense of humor for which you are so famous for?

The Woodshed has turned out to be so predictable it's lost all of its humorous value.

You do realize that very few cities have a Woodshed type section, do you not?

One must wonder what it is about JAX mongers that causes all of this disconcerting behavior?

Endowment? Sexual abilities? Something in the water perhaps?

Yes I have multiple alias's on this Forum but you haven't guessed what they are, never will, and more importantly, why do you even care?

Those who have taken the time to meet me, share a beer, stories and such know why I'm doing my rehabilitation in JAX instead of my native country and where I will head back to, as soon as I get my medical condition signed off and license to operate renewed. Funny thing. I was criticized after one of my very first posts for not being a native speaking American, which I am not, although I am native fluent in four other languages and hold a dual American citizenship. Is that kind of criticism really acceptable under any circumstances?

The real funny thing about all of these personal attacks on members is that on of my best fucks in JAX is the wife of a vocal Forum member who complains about numerous mongers for no reasonable reason whatsoever. You see she found out he was cheating on her with BP girls and answered one of my CL ads, as she was looking for some revenge fucking. She evens knows his Forum alias and likes it when I read her his exploit posts and complaints while she sucks my hard cock and so expertly tongues that delicate rosebud. Perhaps before I return to work overseas I'll post a POV picture of her savoring a cock which is obviously not his. I wonder if he ever wondered why sometimes she was so wet and ready for him on those rare occasions he can even get a semi-enough erection to attempt sex with her, even though his foreplay is short and uninspiring? Do you think he ever wondered if it was because she had multiple loads of other men's cum dripping from her pussy and ass?

Monger on, pussy awaits for those who dare.America has become so politically correct that people no longer think for themselves or even express emotion for themselves. I would not worry about it. You have a pretty good setup banging another mongers girl. I would start each session off with reading his transgressions and then proceed from there.

[Luknaround]

America has become so politically correct that people no longer think for themselves or even express emotion for themselves. I would not worry about it. You have a pretty good setup banging another mongers girl. I would start each session off with reading his transgressions and then proceed from there.If your escapae doesn't rile a few mongers up who maybe have thought their spouse is doing what they have been doing, then nothing will. Our biggest issue in this country is we are being sanitized, homogenized, just blended and whipped into one creamy colored bi-sexual oriented rendition of our former self. You can't say anything right or wrong about anybody unless a few million prople get their panties in a wad for doing the same thing they do themselves. You are cast as a racist, bigot, gay hater or 100 other names and looked down on as a terrible person. People whisper when they are talking to their drinking buddies for fear of being called out and dehumanized. I can understand pure slurs but wiping out and trying to change history for things that occurred 200 years ago is insane. When a transgender receives More national attention than our solders receive who are killed at home or abroad, when one type of group gets so hostile and pillages a town or towns, when similar unfortunate occurrences happens to the other side daily as well and recieves no national wire coverage and we all can go on and on, we have just won the war to the liberals who want to turn a once great nation albeit with issues to address, into a creamy pot of everyone is the same bowl of Sh"t soup. We aren't better for all of this, we have AlL lost our identity and have become pussies.

[Tonto25]

If your escapae doesn't rile a few mongers up who maybe have thought their spouse is doing what they have been doing, then nothing will. Our biggest issue in this country is we are being sanitized, homogenized, just blended and whipped into one creamy colored bi-sexual oriented rendition of our former self. You can't say anything right or wrong about anybody unless a few million prople get their panties in a wad for doing the same thing they do themselves. You are cast as a racist, bigot, gay hater or 100 other names and looked down on as a terrible person. People whisper when they are talking to their drinking buddies for fear of being called out and dehumanized. I can understand pure slurs but wiping out and trying to change history for things that occurred 200 years ago is insane. When a transgender receives More national attention than our solders receive who are killed at home or abroad, when one type of group gets so hostile and pillages a town or towns, when similar unfortunate occurrences happens to the other side daily as well and recieves no national wire coverage and we all can go on and on, we have just won the war to the liberals who want to turn a once great nation albeit with issues to address, into a creamy pot of everyone is the same bowl of Sh"t soup. We aren't better for all of this, we have AlL lost our identity and have become pussies.That's all I have to say on that!!

[SkyWalker13]

If your escapae doesn't rile a few mongers up who maybe have thought their spouse is doing what they have been doing, then nothing will. Our biggest issue in this country is we are being sanitized, homogenized, just blended and whipped into one creamy colored bi-sexual oriented rendition of our former self. You can't say anything right or wrong about anybody unless a few million prople get their panties in a wad for doing the same thing they do themselves. You are cast as a racist, bigot, gay hater or 100 other names and looked down on as a terrible person. People whisper when they are talking to their drinking buddies for fear of being called out and dehumanized. I can understand pure slurs but wiping out and trying to change history for things that occurred 200 years ago is insane. When a transgender receives More national attention than our solders receive who are killed at home or abroad, when one type of group gets so hostile and pillages a town or towns, when similar unfortunate occurrences happens to the other side daily as well and recieves no national wire coverage and we all can go on and on, we have just won the war to the liberals who want to turn a once great nation albeit with issues to address, into a creamy pot of everyone is the same bowl of Sh"t soup. We aren't better for all of this, we have AlL lost our identity and have become pussies.I couldn't have said it any better myself. We are definitely a nation of punks and wimps now. Look at the bullying thing now. Kids won't fight back and kill themselves instead of taking the bully behind the school house after school. Lets not start on homosexuality. You could lose your livelihood if someone feels that you said something out the way.

[The Preacher]

Why is it that you Americans' have lost the sense of humor for which you are so famous for?

The Woodshed has turned out to be so predictable it's lost all of its humorous value.

You do realize that very few cities have a Woodshed type section, do you not?

One must wonder what it is about JAX mongers that causes all of this disconcerting behavior?

Endowment? Sexual abilities? Something in the water perhaps?

Yes I have multiple alias's on this Forum but you haven't guessed what they are, never will, and more importantly, why do you even care?

Those who have taken the time to meet me, share a beer, stories and such know why I'm doing my rehabilitation in JAX instead of my native country and where I will head back to, as soon as I get my medical condition signed off and license to operate renewed. Funny thing. I was criticized after one of my very first posts for not being a native speaking American, which I am not, although I am native fluent in four other languages and hold a dual American citizenship. Is that kind of criticism really acceptable under any circumstances?

The real funny thing about all of these personal attacks on members is that on of my best fucks in JAX is the wife of a vocal Forum member who complains about numerous mongers for no reasonable reason whatsoever. You see she found out he was cheating on her with BP girls and answered one of my CL ads, as she was looking for some revenge fucking. She evens knows his Forum alias and likes it when I read her his exploit posts and complaints while she sucks my hard cock and so expertly tongues that delicate rosebud. Perhaps before I return to work overseas I'll post a POV picture of her savoring a cock which is obviously not his. I wonder if he ever wondered why sometimes she was so wet and ready for him on those rare occasions he can even get a semi-enough erection to attempt sex with her, even though his foreplay is short and uninspiring? Do you think he ever wondered if it was because she had multiple loads of other men's cum dripping from her pussy and ass?

Monger on, pussy awaits for those who dare.Whew. The smell of ether still lingers in the air. LOL.

[HobbyGuyJax]

And some of us even know what that refers to!! LOL.

All good, just trying for some levity and to stop this nonproductive nonsense and move on.

Recces is it everybody, finish up the Brojobs, brush the dirt off your knees, pull your big boy panties up and get back in the game.

Adult activities wait those who dare.

It's a new day.

I've always wondered, with so much of the world hating Americans and wanted nothing more than for them to be destroyed, why do Americans hate each other so? In all of my world travels and living I have NEVER seen a populace so discourtesy, rude and hateful to its own, except the ones suffering from civil war or genocide. In a land that prides itself on Free Speech, those who practice it sure pay the price with bullying, hateful rhetoric and bodily threats.

[TallBear]

Why is it that you Americans' have lost the sense of humor for which you are so famous for?

The Woodshed has turned out to be so predictable it's lost all of its humorous value.

You do realize that very few cities have a Woodshed type section, do you not?

One must wonder what it is about JAX mongers that causes all of this disconcerting behavior?

Endowment? Sexual abilities? Something in the water perhaps?

Yes I have multiple alias's on this Forum but you haven't guessed what they are, never will, and more importantly, why do you even care?

Those who have taken the time to meet me, share a beer, stories and such know why I'm doing my rehabilitation in JAX instead of my native country and where I will head back to, as soon as I get my medical condition signed off and license to operate renewed. Funny thing. I was criticized after one of my very first posts for not being a native speaking American, which I am not, although I am native fluent in four other languages and hold a dual American citizenship. Is that kind of criticism really acceptable under any circumstances?

The real funny thing about all of these personal attacks on members is that on of my best fucks in JAX is the wife of a vocal Forum member who complains about numerous mongers for no reasonable reason whatsoever. You see she found out he was cheating on her with BP girls and answered one of my CL ads, as she was looking for some revenge fucking. She evens knows his Forum alias and likes it when I read her his exploit posts and complaints while she sucks my hard cock and so expertly tongues that delicate rosebud. Perhaps before I return to work overseas I'll post a POV picture of her savoring a cock which is obviously not his. I wonder if he ever wondered why sometimes she was so wet and ready for him on those rare occasions he can even get a semi-enough erection to attempt sex with her, even though his foreplay is short and uninspiring? Do you think he ever wondered if it was because she had multiple loads of other men's cum dripping from her pussy and ass?

Monger on, pussy awaits for those who dare.Are you offering to share her digits?

I'll leave it for you to decide whether I am serious or displaying a sense of humor.

A lot of emotion for strangers arguing over nothing, though I remain astonished at how even this nonsense can segue into diatribes about "political correctness. " Jesus, can't even escape that bullshit on a diddle board!

[HornyGuy2]

Why is it that you Americans' have lost the sense of humor for which you are so famous for?

The Woodshed has turned out to be so predictable it's lost all of its humorous value.

You do realize that very few cities have a Woodshed type section, do you not?

One must wonder what it is about JAX mongers that causes all of this disconcerting behavior?

Endowment? Sexual abilities? Something in the water perhaps?

Yes I have multiple alias's on this Forum but you haven't guessed what they are, never will, and more importantly, why do you even care?

Those who have taken the time to meet me, share a beer, stories and such know why I'm doing my rehabilitation in JAX instead of my native country and where I will head back to, as soon as I get my medical condition signed off and license to operate renewed. Funny thing. I was criticized after one of my very first posts for not being a native speaking American, which I am not, although I am native fluent in four other languages and hold a dual American citizenship. Is that kind of criticism really acceptable under any circumstances?

The real funny thing about all of these personal attacks on members is that on of my best fucks in JAX is the wife of a vocal Forum member who complains about numerous mongers for no reasonable reason whatsoever. You see she found out he was cheating on her with BP girls and answered one of my CL ads, as she was looking for some revenge fucking. She evens knows his Forum alias and likes it when I read her his exploit posts and complaints while she sucks my hard cock and so expertly tongues that delicate rosebud. Perhaps before I return to work overseas I'll post a POV picture of her savoring a cock which is obviously not his. I wonder if he ever wondered why sometimes she was so wet and ready for him on those rare occasions he can even get a semi-enough erection to attempt sex with her, even though his foreplay is short and uninspiring? Do you think he ever wondered if it was because she had multiple loads of other men's cum dripping from her pussy and ass?

Monger on, pussy awaits for those who dare.That last paragraph is a complete nuclear bomb dropped on someone in this forum. Holy $hit, I wasnt expecting your post to finish that way but oh my goodness. I'm sure someone is out there looking at all the old posts trying to figure out who argues with you to figure out whos wife it is LOL. Ill just grab my popcorn because this is going to get interesting.

[HobbyGuyJax]

That last paragraph is a complete nuclear bomb dropped on someone in this forum. Holy $hit, I wasnt expecting your post to finish that way but oh my goodness. I'm sure someone is out there looking at all the old posts trying to figure out who argues with you to figure out whos wife it is LOL. Ill just grab my popcorn because this is going to get interesting.Why is it that you Americans' have lost the sense of humor for which you are so famous for? The Woodshed has turned out to be so predictable it's lost all of its humorous value.

Just showing how others can so prove a point about the wasted efforts and bandwidth in The Woodshed. On second thought, maybe I'll start one of those websites where you post pix and then charge people to take them down? Would do wonders to add to my retirement plan!!

LIGHTEN up guys, it's ALL a JOKE!!

Can we ALL make a spit shake pack to NOT ever post anything BS in the Woodshed attacking others personally or otherwise?

[HobbyGuyJax]

I bow down to the Forum God's for us mortal beings are not worthy of being in your presence and wasting your ever so precious time and attention. We ask for your forgiveness of our transgressions, of which there are many. I acknowledge beyond doubt that your sexual prowess belays storied exploits and sexual fulfillment of a cosmic nature, enjoyed by man, woman and beast alike. I lay prostrate at your feet begging for your Godly wisdom and forgiveness and offer you my posterior virginity, for you have shown your preference for such activities.

In all my humbleness and unworthiness I dare to offend you once again with a mere mortal suggestion.

Ignore button.

Because we are both omnipresent and omniscient we knew that you would ask for this on this day. That is why many, MANY years ago we added an ignore button.

Click the persons name
Click View Profile
Click Add to Ignore List

Honestly, put some tinfoil in your baseball cap because I really can read your thoughts.

A2Heck A2, with this titanium plate in my skull nobody is suppose to be able to read my thoughts? Heck, I even have a hard time reading them most of the time! LOL.

All fun and games guys so lets ALL lighten up, have fun, get some pussy and monger on.

[YoungRestless]

That last paragraph is a complete nuclear bomb dropped on someone in this forum. Holy $hit, I wasnt expecting your post to finish that way but oh my goodness. I'm sure someone is out there looking at all the old posts trying to figure out who argues with you to figure out whos wife it is LOL. Ill just grab my popcorn because this is going to get interesting.That last paragraph was deep!

[PT Monger]

That last paragraph is a complete nuclear bomb dropped on someone in this forum. Holy $hit, I wasnt expecting your post to finish that way but oh my goodness. I'm sure someone is out there looking at all the old posts trying to figure out who argues with you to figure out whos wife it is LOL. Ill just grab my popcorn because this is going to get interesting.As much fiction as all the other crap you see coming through. Always, always consider the source right? He's likely in his robe in Moms extra room, wishing he could come out and play. How can you plan and have time to do someones wife when you are lurking on this board 24/7?

I call BS on this one. Easy.

[HobbyGuyJax]

While some of us are blessed with time on our hands, while medically recuperating and otherwise enjoying life, since we have no monetary needs to work mundane jobs, other of course don't have such open schedules. Then again, perhaps being on this board is part of my paid job? Funny thing about boards like this, you never know who is on them or why. There have been more than a couple of mongers who have stated things only someone with LEO connections would know, so are there LEO's on here? You remember the postings about warnings about the heat being turned up, that sort of thing, or maybe they just made it up, while sitting in their PJ's looking at tattered copies of girlie magazines?

This board is full of facts, fiction, thoughts, opinions, worries, stories, bullying, personal attacks, BS and funnies, that is, except for one monger, who I won't name, lest I get bullied about bromance, whose stories I know in my heart are 100 percent TRUE! I am sure many mongers on here have embellished their stories and postings, to some extent or another, as it's human nature. I for one have no such imagination.

If for one instance, any one who read my post about the mongers wife had their stomach tightened up or they got a cringe of guilt and worry, than perhaps it's because you haven't been as cautious and safe as you could have been. Do you clear the history, cookies etc 100 percent of the time, every single time you log off your computer, phone, Ipad, etc? Are you using an IP masker? Is your name, CC and address in the Ashley Madison data base? Not ALL mongers are SMART ALL the time. Is your alias one that someone who knows you well, like a SO, would recognize as being you? Something that relates to your normal life? Have you ever put out information in a post about your travels, work schedule, vehicle type, etc. That a SO would pick up on? Are you 100 percent sure someones SO, perhaps yours, perhaps someone else's, doesn't read this Forum? Do you think a SO might have ever staked out an AMP, Strip Club or well known Providers residence looking for her hubby, BF, or whatever they call it now a days?

Yes, I admit I am more paranoid and cautious than most, as that goes with my profession, which I have been actively practicing for well over 40 years and hope to continue to pursue for many years to come.

Believe it or not, it really doesn't matter to me whether or not you read, believe or otherwise benefit from anything I write.

I'll just enjoy the hilarity of it all and purse MY hobby as I SEE fit.

Perhaps we all should do the same.

[Old School]

As much fiction as all the other crap you see coming through. Always, always consider the source right? He's likely in his robe in Moms extra room, wishing he could come out and play. How can you plan and have time to do someones wife when you are lurking on this board 24/7?

I call BS on this one. Easy.LMAO.

In his doo-doo stained white briefs with a bad of Doritos and 64 oz Mountain Dew watching porn.

[TankerJo3]

America has become so politically correct that people no longer think for themselves or even express emotion for themselves. I would not worry about it. You have a pretty good setup banging another mongers girl. I would start each session off with reading his transgressions and then proceed from there.I can probably speak for the silent, vast majority of mongers (and non-mongers) that your status as a multi-lingual non-native is much respected, and even envied. I call out respect for your wisdom and advice.

As for myself, I am very curious as to what was in your CL ad that gifted you with scorned wife revenge sex.

No, I am VERY curious. If the CL Whiffle bat will help us hit the BP curve ball. Then I would like to be in the club! How did your ad read?

[TankerJo3]

THIS is why I want to retire in a hut on an island in a peaceful Central American country. No taxes, cheap native girls, and a peaceful hippy philosophy shared by my fellow expats and natives. No overly righteous, puritan hypocrite top-collar-buttoned assholery.

My time in Central America really was an epiphany that changed the way I look at life.

NOW. Let's get back to sharing knowledge about safe sexual pursuit.


And some of us even know what that refers to!! LOL.

All good, just trying for some levity and to stop this nonproductive nonsense and move on.

Recces is it everybody, finish up the Brojobs, brush the dirt off your knees, pull your big boy panties up and get back in the game.

Adult activities wait those who dare.

It's a new day.

I've always wondered, with so much of the world hating Americans and wanted nothing more than for them to be destroyed, why do Americans hate each other so? In all of my world travels and living I have NEVER seen a populace so discourtesy, rude and hateful to its own, except the ones suffering from civil war or genocide. In a land that prides itself on Free Speech, those who practice it sure pay the price with bullying, hateful rhetoric and bodily threats.

[HobbyGuyJax]

This got me thinking. Do the cops typically use decoys or BP vets in these stings? Like one of our trusted ATF's.Yes, yes and yes. Done all three ways both in the streets, in houses and hotels. Bottom line, it can be any one, any time, any where, even our most trusted BP vets and ATF's can be offered deals they can't refuse, as well as Mongers themselves who are unfortunate enough to get caught, with either a solicitation misdemeanor or heaven forbid, a felony drug charge with heroin or crack in their car or the hotel room they are visiting on a time and companionship basis.

[YoungRestless]

Yes, yes and yes. Done all three ways both in the streets, in houses and hotels. Bottom line, it can be any one, any time, any where, even our most trusted BP vets and ATF's can be offered deals they can't refuse, as well as Mongers themselves who are unfortunate enough to get caught, with either a solicitation misdemeanor or heaven forbid, a felony drug charge with heroin or crack in their car or the hotel room they are visiting on a time and companionship basis.Concur! Offer a sweet enough deal and see who rolls! Think about informants working with cops to bring down drug cartels. My advice: even if you've seen a lady multiple times, never discuss sex and money in the same conversation. Each one can be discussed separately but never together. Who wants to put on an application that they've been arrested for solicitation or offering for prostitution?

[TankerJo3]

Is it safe to ask specific questions about a massage or body rub? Like how much for a half hour massage. And do you or can you accept the donation after massage?


Concur! Offer a sweet enough deal and see who rolls! Think about informants working with cops to bring down drug cartels. My advice: even if you've seen a lady multiple times, never discuss sex and money in the same conversation. Each one can be discussed separately but never together. Who wants to put on an application that they've been arrested for solicitation or offering for prostitution?

[The Preacher]

Yes, yes and yes. Done all three ways both in the streets, in houses and hotels. Bottom line, it can be any one, any time, any where, even our most trusted BP vets and ATF's can be offered deals they can't refuse, as well as Mongers themselves who are unfortunate enough to get caught, with either a solicitation misdemeanor or heaven forbid, a felony drug charge with heroin or crack in their car or the hotel room they are visiting on a time and companionship basis.See, this is the type of shit that makes me consider retiring and start hunting civies again. The civie hunt takes more patience, but does not have as many risks as this hobby. I've got a twenty years younger little Georgia peach side piece I've been itching to resume relations with. Only downside is that she has a tendency to catch feelings. Which is dangerous. A side piece loose cannon. Whew! I guess every option comes with some kind of risks. Only one that doesn't is to just settle down and be faithful to one woman. Hmmmmmmmm.

Nahhhhhh. Fuck that. I like to have my cake and eat it too. Lmao.

[Voltron94]

See, this is the type of shit that makes me consider retiring and start hunting civies again. The civie hunt takes more patience, but does not have as many risks as this hobby. I've got a twenty years younger little Georgia peach side piece I've been itching to resume relations with. Only downside is that she has a tendency to catch feelings. Which is dangerous. A side piece loose cannon. Whew! I guess every option comes with some kind of risks. Only one that doesn't is to just settle down and be faithful to one woman. Hmmmmmmmm.

Nahhhhhh. Fuck that. I like to have my cake and eat it too. Lmao.Sounds like an ideal situation to consider a sugar baby. If money isn't an issue and variety isn't as much a concern as finding a high quality NSA sidepiece, it's worth looking into. Still takes more patience than BP and it can be expensive, but it's less risky all around.

[HobbyGuyJax]

See, this is the type of shit that makes me consider retiring and start hunting civies again. The civie hunt takes more patience, but does not have as many risks as this hobby. I've got a twenty years younger little Georgia peach side piece I've been itching to resume relations with. Only downside is that she has a tendency to catch feelings. Which is dangerous. A side piece loose cannon. Whew! I guess every option comes with some kind of risks. Only one that doesn't is to just settle down and be faithful to one woman. Hmmmmmmmm.

Nahhhhhh. Fuck that. I like to have my cake and eat it too. Lmao.Never truer words said Preacher!

Patience can provide paradise for sure.

Let us not judge others.

[HobbyGuyJax]

I can probably speak for the silent, vast majority of mongers (and non-mongers) that your status as a multi-lingual non-native is much respected, and even envied. I call out respect for your wisdom and advice.

As for myself, I am very curious as to what was in your CL ad that gifted you with scorned wife revenge sex.

No, I am VERY curious. If the CL Whiffle bat will help us hit the BP curve ball. Then I would like to be in the club! How did your ad read?TJ,

I have tried various ads and I know from speaking with other Mongers they too have had some success, but there are also a lot of BS crap you have to sort through as well and you will meet some real psycho women so stay cautious and careful.

My ads normally just read that I am looking for one, no drama, nice lady to share life's experiences with and / or tantric massage, hence my Forum alias. I also answer many CL ads but find most of those are bogus, as I've reported on the Forum numerous times. I also like the old fashioned way of meeting women in grocery stores, bookstores, etc. Like fishing, put out enough lines and you'll eventually catch something. This approach does minimize the BP risks and crap but it too has it's own risks with SO's and those who want to fall in love and sail off into the sunset. Good luck!!

[YoungRestless]

Is it safe to ask specific questions about a massage or body rub? Like how much for a half hour massage. And do you or can you accept the donation after massage?

Asking the cost of a massage or body rub. There's nothing wrong with asking about the amount of time you're paying for with a provider. The line is only CROSSED when you ask for some form (not just intercourse) of sexual gratification. Like: you play with your p-ssy and I'll jerk off. Even though you never touched her, there is still some form of sexual gratification involved or at least the talk of it.

In most cases, LEO will say something that appears innocuous; very subtle but again, no matter how innocuous it appears, STAY AWAY from those conversations!

Really guys, you must learn what the actual law says about prostitution. It is either the conversation about or agreement or the actual act of paying for some sexual act with money or something of monetary value. If you offer a salad for some sex act, you're toast! Again, STAY AWAY from that conversation!

Re Stewie:

This is why this topic is so vital! When I first read his account on this particular thread, it had the sounding of someone who just showed up and got arrested. Well then I read over in the other thread "stay away" and he said the lady asked him something and he said "sure" or something to that effect. He indicated he said it without thinking. I'm glad he decided to add this very important piece of information because it is of paramount importance to this topic.

Here is what I mean: as I've stated above, LEO will say something that does not sound as overt or explicit like: you give me 60 and I'll jerk you off.

This is explicit!

This is not so explicit: you give me 60 and I'll start from head first then to toe, then I'll finish in the middle where you'll be very HAPPY. Again, this is very subtle and one can read other things into these type conversations; it's a conversation that is rife with innuendos and ambiguity but nevertheless, can be interpreted as doing sexual favors for money by judge and jury.

You see, in your head you might say I didn't say anything wrong BUT this is why I say you must inventory everything you're going to say in your brain before it comes out of your mouth because it is those subtle words that you thought nothing of that can jam you!

This was not a simple show up and got arrested incident; this was the ole usual trick played by LEO and they caused this gentleman a lot of grief! This is why I discuss this issue extensively so that you guys are armed with enough information to avoid such issues and embarrassments! Some may understand enough with little explanation but others must be provided with more information until it clicks in their brain. Once you get to the place where you notice something is AMISS while talking to potential vice, you had better find a way to get the HELL out of there before you have a Freudian SLIP!

I'm stating this one last for a reason and that is: Your EARS need to be EXTREMELY KEEN to EVERY single word that comes out of that provider's mouth and anything that even REMOTELY sounds sexual, LEAVE!

[CantB1]

I knew it was a bad idea to front funds. But I did anyway. I'm in front of the apt. And I have prior experiences with Jamie. She recognizes me as much as I her. Why rip off a repeat client. Easy! Opportunity makes a thief. Give a person with the aptitude to steal and temptation overrides rationality. I caused the "turnover" but I decided not to make it an easy score for her.

And here is were I left off in the SW report:

I was writing my post as I was still in front of the apartment. I circled around and came back. I guess she thought the coast was clear because she coming waltzing out with a drink in her hand. She about got whiplash as she saw my car then turned to go back inside. So I left again. I came back and she had already made it to her truck and gone. Its 3 am I must be lonely. And I had some time to kill before the weekly Hooterville SW breakfast run.

So I took a cruise back to San Juan. I had a gut feeling she would be back at the other apts. I spotted her. She spotted me and drove off. I decide to give chase. She drove around for a while with me in tow. I got spooked when I saw car54 bust a "you" right after we past him. So I turned off into a Krystals drive thru. Car 54 was a false alarm. So I headed towards the interstate. Ad at the gas station was guess who? So I pulled in and she pulled out. And game of cat and mouse. Now she going driving that suv like Danica Patrick. She taking corners in 3 wheel motion. I'm giving chase but just enough to stay in her rear view. I lose sight of her after going through a neighborhood maze. I was off to Hville morning run.

CB1.

F. why. E. I know it's was only a few bucks. I wasn't even mad. Just wanted to give her something to think about. I'll see her again soon. But next time she will only get a friendly smile.

[TallBear]

Yes, it is indeed important to know what the laws say & even how they vary from state to state. Being smart & being careful while engaging in an activity that is really, let's face it, neither means that you do have to learn when & how to communicate your interests & desires.

For example, after your penis has been in her mouth, it is generally pretty safe to discuss her other orifices without fear of legal difficulties.

You're welcome.

And, on a no-shit, far more serious note, any of you legal beagles want to offer any perspectives on interstate commerce & how it applies to enjoying the hobby in a state in which you are not resident? For example, have you run afoul of interstate commerce laws if you are a Florida monger busted in Georgia or vice versa? The thought of the feds wanting a piece of this action really makes my blood run cold. They have skills & resources far beyond those of JSO.

There's a thought that'll wilt your pecker, sure enough.

[YoungRestless]

Yes, it is indeed important to know what the laws say & even how they vary from state to state. Being smart & being careful while engaging in an activity that is really, let's face it, neither means that you do have to learn when & how to communicate your interests & desires.

For example, after your penis has been in her mouth, it is generally pretty safe to discuss her other orifices without fear of legal difficulties.

You're welcome.

And, on a no-shit, far more serious note, any of you legal beagles want to offer any perspectives on interstate commerce & how it applies to enjoying the hobby in a state in which you are not resident? For example, have you run afoul of interstate commerce laws if you are a Florida monger busted in Georgia or vice versa? The thought of the feds wanting a piece of this action really makes my blood run cold. They have skills & resources far beyond those of JSO.

There's a thought that'll wilt your pecker, sure enough.

I am glad you brought that up because I keep forgetting to add in my discourse that it does vary from state to state. My advice is to always research any particulars of any state you wish to play. For example, I tell the ladies and sometimes gents that if they ever desired to play in the state of NY, they are taking a huge risk. Why? Because in that particular state, if you ever got jammed up for solicitation and are found guilty, you can NEVER EVER get that record sealed- it's there for LIFE! At least it used to be that way and I haven't heard of any changes from that.

Here's another one, in the state of Cali, there is a law that works this way regarding SWers: say you are walking down any given street and a women is standing around, who obviously is a SWers (perhaps she dresses the part or something), there is a law on the books that says if LEO observes you stopping and talking to said SWer, they can arrest you for engaging in solicitation. I couldn't believe it myself but as you mentioned, one must be aware that the laws do vary from state to state. Even so, some counties might even have certain ordinances in place, like having a cut off time for visiting escorts. I haven't seen much of this but I heard it does exist.

As far as your question about the feds, they just did an FBI sting which netted some local gals on BP. It seems Darby may have been one of them caught up in that sting. Every now and then you hear about an FBI effort going on. Anyway, please note that much of what I know involves Florida and I apologize for not making that known. I will say that, for the most part, no matter where you go, that discussion of sex and money is the most common criteria used to determine if prostitution laws have been committed.

[YoungRestless]

Take a look at this story that happened in Brevard county:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/brevard-deputy-critically-wounded-in-shooting/34839900

[PT Monger]

I said you were an ass hole a while back. Let me correct that. You're an idiot and apparently an insane asshole. Aren't we all so glad this wonderful forum allows us to be anonymous.


PTM,

No concern, it's not your SO.

JTMStay out of my box, that's for you and YR. I promise I didn't need your confirmation about anything to do with me. Thought it would be funny to show the boys what a loser freak you are. Thanks for the PM, maybe you're actually starting to believe your own fairy tales? Goodbye JTB. I have all three of you blocked.

[YoungRestless]

I said you were an ass hole a while back. Let me correct that. You're an idiot and apparently an insane asshole. Aren't we all so glad this wonderful forum allows us to be anonymous.

Stay out of my box, that's for you and YR. I promise I didn't need your confirmation about anything to do with me. Thought it would be funny to show the boys what a loser freak you are. Thanks for the PM, maybe you're actually starting to believe your own fairy tales? Goodbye JTB. I have all three of you blocked.Let's face it, I don't know ya! I don't intend to PM you and you're really not that important; really! Anyway, who cares!

Speaking of someone being an idiot: you made the comment that if I don't get a lady to spell out everything (sexually) she plans to do, bypass her. Now anyone who makes such statements is the REAL IDIOT! Yet you say you've been in this hobby for about 30 years and that's how you still operate! Now that's an idiot! Look in the mirror pete; shall I re-pete? Look in the mirror! Silly!

[TankerJo3]

I knew it was a bad idea to front funds. But I did anyway. I'm in front of the apt. And I have prior experiences with Jamie. She recognizes me as much as I her. Why rip off a repeat client. Easy! Opportunity makes a thief. Give a person with the aptitude to steal and temptation overrides rationality. I caused the "turnover" but I decided not to make it an easy score for her.

And here is were I left off in the SW report:

I was writing my post as I was still in front of the apartment. I circled around and came back. I guess she thought the coast was clear because she coming waltzing out with a drink in her hand. She about got whiplash as she saw my car then turned to go back inside. So I left again. I came back and she had already made it to her truck and gone. Its 3 am I must be lonely. And I had some time to kill before the weekly Hooterville SW breakfast run.

So I took a cruise back to San Juan. I had a gut feeling she would be back at the other apts. I spotted her. She spotted me and drove off. I decide to give chase. She drove around for a while with me in tow. I got spooked when I saw car54 bust a "you" right after we past him. So I turned off into a Krystals drive thru. Car 54 was a false alarm. So I headed towards the interstate. Ad at the gas station was guess who? So I pulled in and she pulled out. And game of cat and mouse. Now she going driving that suv like Danica Patrick. She taking corners in 3 wheel motion. I'm giving chase but just enough to stay in her rear view. I lose sight of her after going through a neighborhood maze. I was off to Hville morning run.

CB1.

F. why. E. I know it's was only a few bucks. I wasn't even mad. Just wanted to give her something to think about. I'll see her again soon. But next time she will only get a friendly smile.You have mail.

[TankerJo3]

TJ,

I have tried various ads and I know from speaking with other Mongers they too have had some success, but there are also a lot of BS crap you have to sort through as well and you will meet some real psycho women so stay cautious and careful.

My ads normally just read that I am looking for one, no drama, nice lady to share life's experiences with and / or tantric massage, hence my Forum alias. I also answer many CL ads but find most of those are bogus, as I've reported on the Forum numerous times. I also like the old fashioned way of meeting women in grocery stores, bookstores, etc. Like fishing, put out enough lines and you'll eventually catch something. This approach does minimize the BP risks and crap but it too has it's own risks with SO's and those who want to fall in love and sail off into the sunset. Good luck!!You mentioned tantric massage here and the fact that 'tantric' is in your name leads me to ask if you have ever tried tantric Melissa (and if I miss a post review I apologize in advance). I am really looking to explore this but I don't want to spend a whole lot of money without forknowledge of what to expect, and I don't see any recent very detailed reviews on her. Do you have any input on this?

[HobbyGuyJax]

YR,

Clear some inbox space.

Wait, wait, if you send a PM to yourself, does that show your multiple personalities?

P.S., I love it when I see certain mongers on the right side of the yellow line.

Karma can be such a wonderful gotcha, with a long, memory.

LMAO.

[HobbyGuyJax]

Just got done enjoying a really great CIM BJ from one of my MILF friends, while her hubby is out running errands, up and down Main Street and Indian Country, LMAO, and thought I'd clarify one previous statement I made. Click. I would never post pix and / or videos, like the POV one I just made of her taking me balls deep (which isn't too big a deal really), without the expressed permission of the GF involved. If she gives the OK, that's a different story. Click. Anyhow, doing the laundry, as I can't stand wearing a dirty balaclava, and looking through the Forum. This Forum is really chock full of great information, opinions, insight and stories from around the country, and even internationally. The guys who own it and run it are really providing a worthwhile service. Yes, a bit of bromance but not quite a brojob!! Click.

Saw this Forum posting and felt it worthwhile as it probably applies to more than one fellow Monger:

To all of the members of this forum.

I want to come clean and set the record straight with my many post that I have had over the years. I got wrapped up in the "guy thing" and shouldn't have participated in this forum. I have never seen any of the women that I had written about and sincerely apologies for any damage that I have caused them. I studied past posts and rewrote them to portray that I had met these women when I had not. It was wrong of me to do and I am a shamed that I demeaned these innocent women. It was wrong for me to disrespect my wife and family and I am seeking help with a counselor to understand why I participated in this forum.

Click. Monger on as we personally see fit. At the end of the day, it's a personal experience and really no one else's concern.

Click.

[HobbyGuyJax]

You mentioned tantric massage here and the fact that 'tantric' is in your name leads me to ask if you have ever tried tantric Melissa (and if I miss a post review I apologize in advance). I am really looking to explore this but I don't want to spend a whole lot of money without forknowledge of what to expect, and I don't see any recent very detailed reviews on her. Do you have any input on this?TJ3,

Check the BP section. Multiple reviews, some OK, most I think show she is overpriced and not that great a massage, although she does give an oily HE. Not really true tantric. Occasionally some out of state practitioners visit JAX. Would be a much better experience.

JTM.

[ShaggyD]

Just got done enjoying a really great CIM BJ from one of my MILF friends, while her hubby is out running errands, up and down Main Street and Indian Country, LMAO, and thought I'd clarify one previous statement I made. Click. I would never post pix and / or videos, like the POV one I just made of her taking me balls deep (which isn't too big a deal really), without the expressed permission of the GF involved. If she gives the OK, that's a different story. Click. Anyhow, doing the laundry, as I can't stand wearing a dirty balaclava, and looking through the Forum. This Forum is really chock full of great information, opinions, insight and stories from around the country, and even internationally. The guys who own it and run it are really providing a worthwhile service. Yes, a bit of bromance but not quite a brojob!! Click.

Saw this Forum posting and felt it worthwhile as it probably applies to more than one fellow Monger:

To all of the members of this forum.

I want to come clean and set the record straight with my many post that I have had over the years. I got wrapped up in the "guy thing" and shouldn't have participated in this forum. I have never seen any of the women that I had written about and sincerely apologies for any damage that I have caused them. I studied past posts and rewrote them to portray that I had met these women when I had not. It was wrong of me to do and I am a shamed that I demeaned these innocent women. It was wrong for me to disrespect my wife and family and I am seeking help with a counselor to understand why I participated in this forum.

Click. Monger on as we personally see fit. At the end of the day, it's a personal experience and really no one else's concern.

Click.That dude who posted that gave me some bad info and kinda put me at risk in Gville, so I called him out via PM and he said his wife got into his account and posted that, load of BS. Some of the info in his posts do not add up with the providers he references, so I say the confession post is true, just my 2 cents.

[TankerJo3]

TJ3,

Check the BP section. Multiple reviews, some OK, most I think show she is overpriced and not that great a massage, although she does give an oily HE. Not really true tantric. Occasionally some out of state practitioners visit JAX. Would be a much better experience.

JTM.Thanks again for your help.