The Woodshed

[BeachDan9999]

100% everything they touch turns to shit.It really does. The liberal hypocrite I was referring to made a comment, and I paraphrase, stop why'all's political rants and then he goes into a political rant. The dems are such hypocrites. There is no way they can defend the policies, so they make personal attacks. There is none so blind that will not see.

Point of information, you are not attacking their policies here, you are attacking them, you are literally doing exactly what you accuse them of.

Just saying...

A2

[TallBear]

Yes, in the jargon of actual political science, capitalism is considered "right wing" & socialism is "left wing". That is overly simplistic, to be sure. Modern systems based upon principles of representative democracy encompass elements of both. If "the center does not hold", "things fall apart". Totalitarian examples of the logical extremes, fascism & communism, should be self-evident to every thinking man on this board.

Capitalism has been very good to me. But as a white man who came of age in South in the aftermath of the civil rights era, I know who tends to call themselves "conservative" vs. "progressive" ("liberal" is not a synonymous term, really, but I digress).

I understand very well what an "insurrection" is. I understand what a "subversive" is too. I also understand that insurrectionists & subversives almost invariably call themselves the "true patriots" whose words & actions reflect the actual "will of the people".

I'm ignoring the Fox News talking points. I get enough of that bullshit from my Republican Congressman, one of many who voted to undermine an American presidential election on the very night of the Republican Reichstag.

Keep telling me I don't know what I know.


So being a capitalist is right wing? Making profits is bad?

Who ever hired you in your life?

You're right. We haven't completely stopped production- just severely curtailed it. That way, we can buy energy from happy places like Venezuela, where I'm sure Maduro is sharing the wealth.

President Teleprompter appreciates your support.

Oh, do you know what an insurrection is? It's obvious that you don't.

Wail On.

Skydog.

[TallBear]

Thank you, A2. Exactly so.

To the dude who has now twice dismissed me as a "liberal hypocrite", yes, while there is little doubt that I am more politically progressive than you & some others here, replying to unwelcome political snark with political snark is returning fire, not hypocrisy.

I did suggest taking it to The Woodshed.

And I have not said anything personal at all. But if you honestly think I cannot explain, support & defend my politics, man, you are just a damn fool.

But I don't know you & you don't know me. So there is an out. Might want to take it.


It really does. The liberal hypocrite I was referring to made a comment, and I paraphrase, stop why'all's political rants and then he goes into a political rant. The dems are such hypocrites. There is no way they can defend the policies, so they make personal attacks. There is none so blind that will not see.

Point of information, you are not attacking their policies here, you are attacking them, you are literally doing exactly what you accuse them of.

Just saying...

A2

[Vandelay Ent]

Stop the condemnation and get a condom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9iraxOWCk

[BeachDan9999]

Thank you, A2. Exactly so.

To the dude who has now twice dismissed me as a "liberal hypocrite", yes, while there is little doubt that I am more politically progressive than you & some others here, replying to unwelcome political snark with political snark is returning fire, not hypocrisy.

I did suggest taking it to The Woodshed.

And I have not said anything personal at all. But if you honestly think I cannot explain, support & defend my politics, man, you are just a damn fool.

But I don't know you & you don't know me. So there is an out. Might want to take it.Ok I'm all ears. Explain, support and defend record inflation, record gas prices, record homelessness, open borders, criminals not being prosecuted. I have two masters degrees. Please make an intelligent defense using stats. Not emotions. I'll be waiting.

[PervNerd48]

Ok I'm all ears. Explain, support and defend record inflation, record gas prices, record homelessness, open borders, criminals not being prosecuted. I have two masters degrees. Please make an intelligent defense using stats. Not emotions. I'll be waiting.I'll take inflation. Someone else can take the others. (By the way, you demand stats for verification, but you keep saying "record" without showing your stats. For example, we're nowhere near record inflation- inflation rates in the 70's were far worse. Inflation happens in a capitalist economy.).

There's a number of factors, very little to do with Biden (or rather Biden, a deadlocked Senate that lets him do very little, and a mostly Republican set of governors):

* The war in the Ukraine has jacked up fuel prices, despite Biden releasing barrels from the strategic reserve. This one's going to take a while, and it's not going to end well. And now that Europe has decided to enter a partial embargo against Russian oil, gas prices are probably going to stay high, because there will be increased demand for the non-Russian fuel out there.).

Source: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-hungary-european-union-d0d4144c84749f84676a2f41b03b2ad4.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-pledge-support-ukraine-not-ready-with-new-russia-sanctions-2022-05-30/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/business/dealbook/russia-embargo-oil-prices.html

* We also had a severe supply chain crisis caused by a number of factors-.

The pandemic, shutting down of overseas factories (especially chip factories, and since chip factories cost a fortune to build, and all of the supply lines are overseas, you can't snap your fingers and make it better).

And shifts in demand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/business/shortages-supply-chain.html

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3648349/about-that-alarming-chip-shortage-dont-count-on-new-fab-plants-to-help-quickly.html

* Trump's failure to address the Chinese trade deficit (after the 2018 agreement, in which China pledged to increase the purchase of US goods and actually decreased said purchases).

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2022/01/13/from-momentous-to-meh-the-phase-one-trade-deal-letdown-495705

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/08/07/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/china-stiffed-trump-trade-agreement-exports

https://reason.com/2022/02/09/trumps-phase-one-trade-deal-with-china-was-a-total-failure-just-like-the-trade-war/

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/02/15/1079761270/china-promised-trump-a-better-deal-for-america-it-didnt-actually-deliver

(The reason for so many links is that I wanted to show you that Trump's handling of China has been panned by everyone- left-wing sources like NPR, right-wing sources like Brookings and Fox Business, and libertarians like Reason.).

* Housing prices are rising like crazy everywhere for a lot of reasons. Here in Jacksonville, we have a number of factors- rising population as people move away from colder areas of the US due to the increase in remote work, insufficient housing inventory to meet the demand due to not only the pandemic, but the lack of new housing starts since the crash of 2008, and a mostly hands-off local and state government who is more concerned about whether your kids are taught about black mathematicians and Disney not kissing the governor's ass than they are the one-year 30% increase in rents here. And hedge funds owning 25% of all single-family housing here is a big problem, because they're holding out for high rents and high sale prices, artificially driving up housing costs.

And that rent increase doesn't just affect renters. Renters make up one-third of Jacksonville's population. Rent doesn't stay in Jacksonville. Most landlords of apartments and single-family dwellings are out-of-state. Those rent increases mean that more money is leaving Jacksonville, and not being spent in the local economy. Got a local business? You might own your home, but your business may be impacted by the lack of demand caused by the lack of local funds.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/08/12/census-jacksonville-added-more-than-100000-residents-in-last-10-years/

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2017/03/23/jacksonville-s-population-growth-speeds-third-year-row/15745028007/

https://www.wokv.com/news/investigates/priced-out-jax-25-all-single-family-homes-duval-county-owned-by-investment-companies/24QOZ6HJUNECZKKQ7A5TOC4IJM/

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-no-5-in-nation-in-rent-increase

https://www.news4jax.com/i-team/2022/01/21/i-team-rent-increases-in-jacksonville-are-among-the-highest-in-the-country/

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1089174630/housing-shortage-new-home-construction-supply-chain

https://www.freddiemac.com/research/insight/20210507-housing-supply

Here's the good news: according to economists, the Fed's tightening of the money supply will lead to a drop in inflation over the next few months. Paul Krugman wrote about this here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/inflation-prices-stagflation.html

So there's a lot of factors for inflation, nearly none of which is Biden's fault. In fact, Biden is trying to get Congress to pass a number of initiatives to reduce inflation:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/10/the-biden-harris-inflation-plan-lowering-costs-and-lowering-the-deficit/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/10/business/economy/biden-inflation.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DIDm8aiO4IGImG9lzWIqdoYN002iXcTt5NPblqRfp8yuZDPktrDQm0p5_O0LI0HxIIk6PhFGUnw8CKGrki7T7hamT-drguyePk4k_DbWLtXLjY1SArOF4xpZZ6dgusjnICz_zGF7R0ycA-ial6fu1yQzsDZCGOtvH6WV4paJjdMEaqukRhUPpZWDrTgdeY97sAFQ1TAl7CR3t0in0uvJIeYJhEefaicGNzPZb2kr4TCWd3LYm2BpZXR4Lck7pisb6lugWV0HnyLwLyvAHukA5zMit1&smid=url-share

The right is pressing him to do more. Some of this is pressing him to do things they know he won't or can't do, like busting truck driver unions and reversing some of the environmental policies he put into place:

https://nypost.com/2022/05/11/what-biden-can-do-to-lower-inflation-but-refuses-to/

We'll see what happens. Remember, Biden, despite being painted as a left-winger, isn't really one. He's always been a centrist his entire career. But the Republicans smell blood, and want to see Democrats lose seats in the House and Senate in the midterms (just as Democrats want to gain seats), so they're going to block any efforts Biden takes to address inflation.

So there you go. Did I give you enough sources and information?

[Sicilly]

LOL.

Here's my promise to you: If I'm elected president, I will always choose to unite rather than divide.

I'll take responsibility instead of blaming others.

I'll never forget that the job isn't about me — it's about you.


I'll take inflation. Someone else can take the others. (By the way, you demand stats for verification, but you keep saying "record" without showing your stats. For example, we're nowhere near record inflation- inflation rates in the 70's were far worse. Inflation happens in a capitalist economy.).

There's a number of factors, very little to do with Biden (or rather Biden, a deadlocked Senate that lets him do very little, and a mostly Republican set of governors):

* The war in the Ukraine has jacked up fuel prices, despite Biden releasing barrels from the strategic reserve. This one's going to take a while, and it's not going to end well. And now that Europe has decided to enter a partial embargo against Russian oil, gas prices are probably going to stay high, because there will be increased demand for the non-Russian fuel out there.).

Source: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-hungary-european-union-d0d4144c84749f84676a2f41b03b2ad4.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-pledge-support-ukraine-not-ready-with-new-russia-sanctions-2022-05-30/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/business/dealbook/russia-embargo-oil-prices.html

* We also had a severe supply chain crisis caused by a number of factors-.

The pandemic, shutting down of overseas factories (especially chip factories, and since chip factories cost a fortune to build, and all of the supply lines are overseas, you can't snap your fingers and make it better).

And shifts in demand.

[Sicilly]

It really does. The liberal hypocrite I was referring to made a comment, and I paraphrase, stop why'all's political rants and then he goes into a political rant. The dems are such hypocrites. There is no way they can defend the policies, so they make personal attacks. There is none so blind that will not see.

Point of information, you are not attacking their policies here, you are attacking them, you are literally doing exactly what you accuse them of.

Just saying...

A2He wasnt voted into office on false promies and empty hopes.

[Red Talon]

I'll take inflation. Someone else can take the others. (By the way, you demand stats for verification, but you keep saying "record" without showing your stats. For example, we're nowhere near record inflation- inflation rates in the 70's were far worse. Inflation happens in a capitalist economy.).

There's a number of factors, very little to do with Biden (or rather Biden, a deadlocked Senate that lets him do very little, and a mostly Republican set of governors):

* The war in the Ukraine has jacked up fuel prices, despite Biden releasing barrels from the strategic reserve. This one's going to take a while, and it's not going to end well. And now that Europe has decided to enter a partial embargo against Russian oil, gas prices are probably going to stay high, because there will be increased demand for the non-Russian fuel out there.).

Source: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-hungary-european-union-d0d4144c84749f84676a2f41b03b2ad4.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-pledge-support-ukraine-not-ready-with-new-russia-sanctions-2022-05-30/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/business/dealbook/russia-embargo-oil-prices.html

* We also had a severe supply chain crisis caused by a number of factors-.

The pandemic, shutting down of overseas factories (especially chip factories, and since chip factories cost a fortune to build, and all of the supply lines are overseas, you can't snap your fingers and make it better).

And shifts in demand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/business/shortages-supply-chain.html

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3648349/about-that-alarming-chip-shortage-dont-count-on-new-fab-plants-to-help-quickly.html

* Trump's failure to address the Chinese trade deficit (after the 2018 agreement, in which China pledged to increase the purchase of US goods and actually decreased said purchases).

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2022/01/13/from-momentous-to-meh-the-phase-one-trade-deal-letdown-495705

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/08/07/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/china-stiffed-trump-trade-agreement-exports

https://reason.com/2022/02/09/trumps-phase-one-trade-deal-with-china-was-a-total-failure-just-like-the-trade-war/

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/02/15/1079761270/china-promised-trump-a-better-deal-for-america-it-didnt-actually-deliver

(The reason for so many links is that I wanted to show you that Trump's handling of China has been panned by everyone- left-wing sources like NPR, right-wing sources like Brookings and Fox Business, and libertarians like Reason.).

* Housing prices are rising like crazy everywhere for a lot of reasons. Here in Jacksonville, we have a number of factors- rising population as people move away from colder areas of the US due to the increase in remote work, insufficient housing inventory to meet the demand due to not only the pandemic, but the lack of new housing starts since the crash of 2008, and a mostly hands-off local and state government who is more concerned about whether your kids are taught about black mathematicians and Disney not kissing the governor's ass than they are the one-year 30% increase in rents here. And hedge funds owning 25% of all single-family housing here is a big problem, because they're holding out for high rents and high sale prices, artificially driving up housing costs.

And that rent increase doesn't just affect renters. Renters make up one-third of Jacksonville's population. Rent doesn't stay in Jacksonville. Most landlords of apartments and single-family dwellings are out-of-state. Those rent increases mean that more money is leaving Jacksonville, and not being spent in the local economy. Got a local business? You might own your home, but your business may be impacted by the lack of demand caused by the lack of local funds.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/08/12/census-jacksonville-added-more-than-100000-residents-in-last-10-years/

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2017/03/23/jacksonville-s-population-growth-speeds-third-year-row/15745028007/

https://www.wokv.com/news/investigates/priced-out-jax-25-all-single-family-homes-duval-county-owned-by-investment-companies/24QOZ6HJUNECZKKQ7A5TOC4IJM/

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-no-5-in-nation-in-rent-increase

https://www.news4jax.com/i-team/2022/01/21/i-team-rent-increases-in-jacksonville-are-among-the-highest-in-the-country/

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1089174630/housing-shortage-new-home-construction-supply-chain

https://www.freddiemac.com/research/insight/20210507-housing-supply

Here's the good news: according to economists, the Fed's tightening of the money supply will lead to a drop in inflation over the next few months. Paul Krugman wrote about this here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/inflation-prices-stagflation.html

So there's a lot of factors for inflation, nearly none of which is Biden's fault. In fact, Biden is trying to get Congress to pass a number of initiatives to reduce inflation:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/10/the-biden-harris-inflation-plan-lowering-costs-and-lowering-the-deficit/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/10/business/economy/biden-inflation.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DIDm8aiO4IGImG9lzWIqdoYN002iXcTt5NPblqRfp8yuZDPktrDQm0p5_O0LI0HxIIk6PhFGUnw8CKGrki7T7hamT-drguyePk4k_DbWLtXLjY1SArOF4xpZZ6dgusjnICz_zGF7R0ycA-ial6fu1yQzsDZCGOtvH6WV4paJjdMEaqukRhUPpZWDrTgdeY97sAFQ1TAl7CR3t0in0uvJIeYJhEefaicGNzPZb2kr4TCWd3LYm2BpZXR4Lck7pisb6lugWV0HnyLwLyvAHukA5zMit1&smid=url-share

The right is pressing him to do more. Some of this is pressing him to do things they know he won't or can't do, like busting truck driver unions and reversing some of the environmental policies he put into place:

https://nypost.com/2022/05/11/what-biden-can-do-to-lower-inflation-but-refuses-to/

We'll see what happens. Remember, Biden, despite being painted as a left-winger, isn't really one. He's always been a centrist his entire career. But the Republicans smell blood, and want to see Democrats lose seats in the House and Senate in the midterms (just as Democrats want to gain seats), so they're going to block any efforts Biden takes to address inflation.

So there you go. Did I give you enough sources and information?Pulled all that from biased media sources, lots of work for nothing. NPR, seriously? Biden is a walking gas bag on puppet strings.

[MikeEbanks]

Pervnerd48, you did a good job sir.

RedTalon, NPR is as center as news reporting can get. They get attacked from both sides constantly. Furthermore, if NPR biases concern you then don't even bother with CNN, FOX or MSNBC. Just because you dislike to heard something it doesn't make it not true. We need a common truth, it is unacceptable to label every news fake or bias when is not convenient.

Inflation and energy prices. I say get used to it because Putin will never let Ukraine tap into their gas / oil reserves and even less join NATO. I just learned the Donbas is part of those areas home to the new gas reserves and is a coincident the Russians are so adamant about that region.


Pulled all that from biased media sources, lots of work for nothing. NPR, seriously? Biden is a walking gas bag on puppet strings.

[MyDarkSide]

Ok I'm all ears. Explain, support and defend record inflation, record gas prices, record homelessness, open borders, criminals not being prosecuted. I have two masters degrees. Please make an intelligent defense using stats. Not emotions. I'll be waiting.Tweets are now much kinder.

[PervNerd48]

Pervnerd48, you did a good job sir.

RedTalon, NPR is as center as news reporting can get. They get attacked from both sides constantly. Furthermore, if NPR biases concern you then don't even bother with CNN, FOX or MSNBC. Just because you dislike to heard something it doesn't make it not true. We need a common truth, it is unacceptable to label every news fake or bias when is not convenient.

Inflation and energy prices. I say get used to it because Putin will never let Ukraine tap into their gas / oil reserves and even less join NATO. I just learned the Donbas is part of those areas home to the new gas reserves and is a coincident the Russians are so adamant about that region.Thanks, boss. I appreciate it.

And hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion. If someone read this and went "NPR! It's CLEARLY biased! I mean, there's not much I can do.

I'm just trying my best to point out that the challenges out there are great, and are going to take sophisticated thought and action. And that thought and action will have to be bipartisan.

I know, I'm a MONSTER.

[MovingForward]

Thanks, boss. I appreciate it.

And hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion. If someone read this and went "NPR! It's CLEARLY biased! I mean, there's not much I can do.

I'm just trying my best to point out that the challenges out there are great, and are going to take sophisticated thought and action. And that thought and action will have to be bipartisan.

I know, I'm a MONSTER.It does not take sophisticated thought or action. It does take common sense. I suggest the reading of Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell. It won't convince you of anything, but I hope you find their points on history, economics, and government interesting.

[BeachDan9999]

I'll take inflation. Someone else can take the others. (By the way, you demand stats for verification, but you keep saying "record" without showing your stats. For example, we're nowhere near record inflation- inflation rates in the 70's were far worse. Inflation happens in a capitalist economy.).

There's a number of factors, very little to do with Biden (or rather Biden, a deadlocked Senate that lets him do very little, and a mostly Republican set of governors):

* The war in the Ukraine has jacked up fuel prices, despite Biden releasing barrels from the strategic reserve. This one's going to take a while, and it's not going to end well. And now that Europe has decided to enter a partial embargo against Russian oil, gas prices are probably going to stay high, because there will be increased demand for the non-Russian fuel out there.).

Source: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-hungary-european-union-d0d4144c84749f84676a2f41b03b2ad4.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-pledge-support-ukraine-not-ready-with-new-russia-sanctions-2022-05-30/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/business/dealbook/russia-embargo-oil-prices.html

* We also had a severe supply chain crisis caused by a number of factors-.

The pandemic, shutting down of overseas factories (especially chip factories, and since chip factories cost a fortune to build, and all of the supply lines are overseas, you can't snap your fingers and make it better).

And shifts in demand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/business/shortages-supply-chain.html

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3648349/about-that-alarming-chip-shortage-dont-count-on-new-fab-plants-to-help-quickly.html

* Trump's failure to address the Chinese trade deficit (after the 2018 agreement, in which China pledged to increase the purchase of US goods and actually decreased said purchases).

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2022/01/13/from-momentous-to-meh-the-phase-one-trade-deal-letdown-495705

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/08/07/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/china-stiffed-trump-trade-agreement-exports

https://reason.com/2022/02/09/trumps-phase-one-trade-deal-with-china-was-a-total-failure-just-like-the-trade-war/

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/02/15/1079761270/china-promised-trump-a-better-deal-for-america-it-didnt-actually-deliver

(The reason for so many links is that I wanted to show you that Trump's handling of China has been panned by everyone- left-wing sources like NPR, right-wing sources like Brookings and Fox Business, and libertarians like Reason.).

* Housing prices are rising like crazy everywhere for a lot of reasons. Here in Jacksonville, we have a number of factors- rising population as people move away from colder areas of the US due to the increase in remote work, insufficient housing inventory to meet the demand due to not only the pandemic, but the lack of new housing starts since the crash of 2008, and a mostly hands-off local and state government who is more concerned about whether your kids are taught about black mathematicians and Disney not kissing the governor's ass than they are the one-year 30% increase in rents here. And hedge funds owning 25% of all single-family housing here is a big problem, because they're holding out for high rents and high sale prices, artificially driving up housing costs.

And that rent increase doesn't just affect renters. Renters make up one-third of Jacksonville's population. Rent doesn't stay in Jacksonville. Most landlords of apartments and single-family dwellings are out-of-state. Those rent increases mean that more money is leaving Jacksonville, and not being spent in the local economy. Got a local business? You might own your home, but your business may be impacted by the lack of demand caused by the lack of local funds.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/08/12/census-jacksonville-added-more-than-100000-residents-in-last-10-years/

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2017/03/23/jacksonville-s-population-growth-speeds-third-year-row/15745028007/

https://www.wokv.com/news/investigates/priced-out-jax-25-all-single-family-homes-duval-county-owned-by-investment-companies/24QOZ6HJUNECZKKQ7A5TOC4IJM/

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-no-5-in-nation-in-rent-increase

https://www.news4jax.com/i-team/2022/01/21/i-team-rent-increases-in-jacksonville-are-among-the-highest-in-the-country/

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1089174630/housing-shortage-new-home-construction-supply-chain

https://www.freddiemac.com/research/insight/20210507-housing-supply

Here's the good news: according to economists, the Fed's tightening of the money supply will lead to a drop in inflation over the next few months. Paul Krugman wrote about this here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/inflation-prices-stagflation.html

So there's a lot of factors for inflation, nearly none of which is Biden's fault. In fact, Biden is trying to get Congress to pass a number of initiatives to reduce inflation:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/10/the-biden-harris-inflation-plan-lowering-costs-and-lowering-the-deficit/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/10/business/economy/biden-inflation.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DIDm8aiO4IGImG9lzWIqdoYN002iXcTt5NPblqRfp8yuZDPktrDQm0p5_O0LI0HxIIk6PhFGUnw8CKGrki7T7hamT-drguyePk4k_DbWLtXLjY1SArOF4xpZZ6dgusjnICz_zGF7R0ycA-ial6fu1yQzsDZCGOtvH6WV4paJjdMEaqukRhUPpZWDrTgdeY97sAFQ1TAl7CR3t0in0uvJIeYJhEefaicGNzPZb2kr4TCWd3LYm2BpZXR4Lck7pisb6lugWV0HnyLwLyvAHukA5zMit1&smid=url-share

The right is pressing him to do more. Some of this is pressing him to do things they know he won't or can't do, like busting truck driver unions and reversing some of the environmental policies he put into place:

https://nypost.com/2022/05/11/what-biden-can-do-to-lower-inflation-but-refuses-to/

We'll see what happens. Remember, Biden, despite being painted as a left-winger, isn't really one. He's always been a centrist his entire career. But the Republicans smell blood, and want to see Democrats lose seats in the House and Senate in the midterms (just as Democrats want to gain seats), so they're going to block any efforts Biden takes to address inflation.

So there you go. Did I give you enough sources and information?All I can say is outstanding work!

It will take me a bit to digest the sources, but I certainly appreciate the effort in you response. If we all could make our discussions verifiable (by at least something,(news sources, papers, studies etc) as you did, perhaps we can find middle ground and find a path forward for all. We have some complex issues in the country / world.

Thanks again!! I will prepare a rebuttal.

[Sicilly]

pervnerd48, you did a good job sir.

Redtalon, npr is as center as news reporting can get. Rotflmfao.

[Motoyo]

Ok I'm all ears. Explain, support and defend record inflation, record gas prices, record homelessness, open borders, criminals not being prosecuted. I have two masters degrees. Please make an intelligent defense using stats. Not emotions. I'll be waiting.Hate to jump in during mid debate. One that seems like its surprisingly civil last few posts despite the topic, but its a pet peeve of mine so had to say something: Stating an 'appeal to credentials' fallacy. Or 'False Ethos appeal'. While foreshadowing you expect his reply may be a 'Pathos Appeal'.

I've met, known personally, and worked with people with masters and even doctorate degrees that are pretty dense outside of the field they studied. And can be just as biasedly misinformed (or deeply rooted loyal), to social and political ideologies they have formed.
Some was to a point it was shockingly different than the level of intellect you assumed they must possess to process complex situations. Tribalism in pack mentality for (insert preformed stance here) made them approach it with a Seeking confirmation, not information when looking into info about things. I. E. Starting from "Here is what I think, now how can I get here from what I can find about it".

Not saying YOU are.

Just pointing out intellect isn't always an indicator of wisdom, or inherent ability to be unbiased in conclusion.

I mean would me saying this matter in any debate?: "I have a Bachelors in architecture, and masters in a computer science. So when we talk about politics, keep that in mind in such debates. (in other words me declaring I must be a highly intellectual man and I suspect you must not be since we disagree, so try to reach my level when replying if you don't mind)".

[CDieselD]

Pervnerd48, you did a good job sir.

RedTalon, NPR is as center as news reporting can get. They get attacked from both sides constantly. Furthermore, if NPR biases concern you then don't even bother with CNN, FOX or MSNBC. Just because you dislike to heard something it doesn't make it not true. We need a common truth, it is unacceptable to label every news fake or bias when is not convenient.

Inflation and energy prices. I say get used to it because Putin will never let Ukraine tap into their gas / oil reserves and even less join NATO. I just learned the Donbas is part of those areas home to the new gas reserves and is a coincident the Russians are so adamant about that region.Actually most now list NPR as having a left center bias. It is unacceptable to say this is as center as it gets when that is factually not the case.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/leftcenter/

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-media-bias

https://adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Media-Bias-Chart-9.0_Jan-2022-Unlicensed-Social-Media_Low-scaled.jpg

[JZetoro19]

Hate to jump in during mid debate. One that seems like its surprisingly civil last few posts despite the topic, but its a pet peeve of mine so had to say something: Stating an 'appeal to credentials' fallacy. Or 'False Ethos appeal'. While foreshadowing you expect his reply may be a 'Pathos Appeal'.

I've met, known personally, and worked with people with masters and even doctorate degrees that are pretty dense outside of the field they studied. And can be just as biasedly misinformed (or deeply rooted loyal), to social and political ideologies they have formed.
Some was to a point it was shockingly different than the level of intellect you assumed they must possess to process complex situations. Tribalism in pack mentality for (insert preformed stance here) made them approach it with a Seeking confirmation, not information when looking into info about things. I. E. Starting from "Here is what I think, now how can I get here from what I can find about it".

Not saying YOU are.

Just pointing out intellect isn't always an indicator of wisdom, or inherent ability to be unbiased in conclusion.

I mean would me saying this matter in any debate?: "I have a Bachelors in architecture, and masters in a computer science. So when we talk about politics, keep that in mind in such debates. (in other words me declaring I must be a highly intellectual man and I suspect you must not be since we disagree, so try to reach my level when replying if you don't mind)".Agreeing with this 1000%.

[BeachDan9999]

Agreeing with this 1000%.The "non-degreed" always appear in this type of discussion. Their inferiority complex raises its head when the degreed mention education. Especially if it's post-graduate work. Say whatever you wish about intellect and wisdom and school of knocks, street smarts, common sense, blah, blah, blah. I will not debate the value of education.

[PervNerd48]

It does not take sophisticated thought or action. It does take common sense. I suggest the reading of Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell. It won't convince you of anything, but I hope you find their points on history, economics, and government interesting.See, you don't know that I spent much of my college time as an econ major. (Finished as a mathematician, because I like harder analysis than that of economics, actually.).

[Motoyo]

The "non-degreed" always appear in this type of discussion. Their inferiority complex raises its head when the degreed mention education. Especially if it's post-graduate work. Say whatever you wish about intellect and wisdom and school of knocks, street smarts, common sense, blah, blah, blah. I will not debate the value of education.I never debated the value of education. I am ALL for the value and principle of higher education for everyone as it lifts the society as a whole up in the long run.

I was debating the validity of it in a totally different field to the subject at hand.

That's like saying the advice of someone with a PhD in biology on the transatlantic economic futures and impact of it on global commerce is just as valid and knowledgeable as someone with a degree in Geopolitical Economics, simple because they both hold higher degrees.

What makes you assume I don't have any degrees? Because I mention yours is not anything special as it relates to the topic? Mine have no bearing on the subject at hand and thus don't matter when I mention I have them.

Many people have many degrees. There is Doctorate PhD from Princeton holding Geo-sciences out there convinced the earth is only 5000 years old and seeking the proof. There is a 3 PhD holder out there now that is pushing that auras, chakras, and reading tea leaves is real. There is famous people with multiple PhD's over the last century that have bigoted, biased, or small minded personal or political beliefs or believed nonsense.

Nothing in doing what 10's of thousands of people do everyday (go to college) negates the chance of being like the above people. Both for me and you.

I am not trying to be snarky here, but just because you got two degrees, means very little in way of clout, it's merely an Appeal to Intellect (another logical fallacy).

There is people with multiple degrees IN the areas you are talking about that work in govt you fundamentally disagree with.
Does their degrees not bear credit of logical superiority of deduction, while your somehow lends to yours more?
If you can explain how they have multiple degrees and are wrong, yet you having multiple degrees in other areas lends to a probability you are right. Then maybe I can see past the oxymoron of it.

For someone that touts logic, you seem to be unaware of the handful of boiler plate Debating 101 logical fallacies you rebuttable with.

[BeachDan9999]

I never debated the value of education. I am ALL for the value and principle of higher education for everyone as it lifts the society as a whole up in the long run.

I was debating the validity of it in a totally different field to the subject at hand.

That's like saying you would take the advice of someone with a PhD in biology on the transatlantic economic futures and impact of it on global commerce over someone with a degree in Geopolitical Economics.

What makes you assume I don't have any degrees? Because I mention yours is not anything special as it relates to the topic? Mine have no bearing on the subject at hand and thus don't matter when I mention I have them.

Many people have many degrees. There is Doctorate PhD from Princeton holding Geo-sciences out there convinced the earth is only 5000 years old and seeking the proof.

There is famous people with multiple PhD's over the last century that have bigoted, biased, or small minded personal or political beliefs or believed nonsense.

There is a 3 PhD holder out there now that is pushing that auras, chakras, and reading tea leaves is real.

Nothing in doing what 10's of thousands of people do everyday (go to college) negates the chance of being like the above people. Both for me and you.

I am not trying to be snarky here, but just because you got two degrees, means very little in way of clout, it's merely an Appeal to Intellect (another logical fallacy).

There is people with multiple degrees IN the areas you are talking about that work in govt you fundamentally disagree with.
Does their degrees not bear credit of logical superiority of deduction, while your somehow lends to 'better grasp of logical thinking than most'?
If you can explain how they have multiple degrees and are wrong, yet you having multiple degrees in other areas lends to a probability you are right. Then maybe I can see past the oxymoron of it.

For someone that touts logic, you seem to be unaware of the handful of boiler plate Debating 101 logical fallacies you rebuttable with.I am smart enough to not read your response. Let it be!!

[Motoyo]

I am smart enough to not read your response. Let it be!!Is a grown man resorting to TL : DR?

And smart enough NOT to read something? Thats odd.
I learned you listen to everyone. Its a hallmark of wisdom. Because you may know 99% of something, and someone else only knows 2%. But they might know that 1% you do not. And you don't know until you listen to them to find out.
First time I heard "I am smart enough to know not to listen to someone else"....that's called vanity of ego, not intellect.

[Vandelay Ent]

I am smart enough to not read your response. Let it be!!That's just another way of saying I don't suffer fools. In other words, you are very smart.

[Vandelay Ent]

The Best comedy is always rooted in truth. It has been said the United States has the finest law enforcement money can buy. It is the biggest publicly funded and privately held law enforcement agency on the planet. With roughly 35,000 employees, and 9. 5 to 10 billion budgets annually. That is the part we know about. Of course, we all know there are a few other pockets on that jacket stuffed to the brim with things we are not allowed to know about. $100 billion seems like a lot of money. I should think the going rate for such an organization should be quite a bit higher.

"Democrats Have Become The Party Of 'No Common Sense'.

Bill Maher.

[Motoyo]

That's just another way of saying I don't suffer fools. In other words, you are very smart.But how do you know its a fool unless you listen to learn it?

And as Alexander the Great stated "As scholarly as I am, I have learned more about life and our society from fools and beggers, than all the philosophers and members of the senate combined" (Diogenes and Alexander meeting is one such tale "But truly, if I were not Alexander, I wish I were Diogenes.").

Listening the the wizened and the foolish, is how you grow more wise than both...

And Bill Maher points out the idiocy of both sides, selective cherry picking of quotes about the "Not my tribe" side only, makes it seem more hypocritical to quote him.

[Vandelay Ent]

But how do you know its a fool unless you listen to learn it?

And as Alexander the Great stated "As scholarly as I am, I have learned more about life and our society from fools and beggers, than all the philosophers and members of the senate combined" (Diogenes and Alexander meeting is one such tale "But truly, if I were not Alexander, I wish I were Diogenes.").

Listening the the wizened and the foolish, is how you grow more wise than both...

And Bill Maher points out the idiocy of both sides, selective cherry picking of quotes about the "Not my tribe" side only, makes it seem more hypocritical to quote him.I don't recall saying that he didn't. Perhaps you should listen to the clip and learn from the wizard as well as the foolish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e16bO5FZ6bc

[Motoyo]

I don't recall saying that he didn't. Perhaps you should listen to the clip and learn from the wizard as well as the foolish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e16bO5FZ6bcI assume you think I support Biden, because I disagree with you? Otherwise why would you repeat them same 'checkmate' twice unless you somehow assume your premise on that, relates to my stance? And points out the flaw in that I am with the 'foolish' and here is the wise speaking of such.

My argument was on pointing out the fallacy of: "I R Smarter than allll you, because I gotz college degrees like you..but mines is more betters for making me smarterer"

Never once did I mention my political stance, or my thoughts on Biden/Dems, or my like/dislike of him. I think he is an old man in the park lost and talking to the trees type president. And a wet paper bag with lips drawn on it would have been as effective in the oval office. (as both would be rallied as a savior by the dems, and bull dog blocked by the reps, because of petty tribal discourse on both parties).

So what makes you assume that Bill Maher statement isn't also my stance on them? (I haven't voted democrat since 1992. neither major party since 2000). Because it easier to gross generalize a disagreement on one thing, into a bigger picture of "Must be one of....them" saber rattling?

Easier to throw venom at a mislabeled known enemy, than have discourse with a possible ally I suppose. A "no true Scotsman" mentality.

[PervNerd48]

Actually most now list NPR as having a left center bias. It is unacceptable to say this is as center as it gets when that is factually not the case.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/leftcenter/

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-media-bias

https://adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Media-Bias-Chart-9.0_Jan-2022-Unlicensed-Social-Media_Low-scaled.jpgI cited NPR two times. In the first instance, I also cited right-wing news sources, because I was talking about Trump's failed dealings in China, and I wanted to show a wide range of sources, so I included Reason (a libertarian site) and Fox Business (right-leaning).

The second article talks about why there's a shortage of homes, and interviews local builders. If you think that piece is biased, go for it.

Either way, I find it hilarious that out of the 21 links, since 2 came from NPR, my piece is CLEARLY a biased piece of left-wing propaganda. But then again, I'm not surprised.

[PervNerd48]

My last point on inflation: Is inflation too high? Dear God, yes.

But the idea that inflation is somehow a Democrat thing is a bit ridiculous. Consumer prices were CRAZY under Nixon, hitting a peak of 11% in 1974. They dropped a bit under Ford, down to 5. 74%, before going up to 13.55% under Carter.

Reagan is considered the great inflation fighter, but at the end of his term, inflation was at 4. 08%- a figure that that evil adulterous liberal Bill Clinton never touched in his eight years in office (the highest rate of inflation under Clinton was 3. 38%, and was as low as 1. 55% in 1998). And in fact, inflation has been below 5% every year since 1991, when George Bush wrecked the economy by raising taxes. Or at least that's what Fox News told me at the time.

Anywhere, it's terrible that inflation is running at 8. 5%, with clearly no end in sight. Except that 8. 5% was the rate in March. There's been a slight drop in April to 8. 3%, as gas prices dipped and the Fed's actions are starting.

I don't know if we'll see continued easing of inflation in 2022. The Consumer Price Index is still high, fuel prices are unstable, and there's no chance of bipartisan action that will fix anything. But I think that it's really silly to say everything is Biden's fault. Or Trump's fault. Or liberalism's fault. Or conservatism's fault. The economy does what the economy does, and will continue to do so, and trying to assign a narrative is pure folly. But economists will continue to do that, because that's there job.

Sources for my info:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi

Oh, one more thing on sources- for most news things, I tend to use a combination of sources: AP, Reuters, the NY Times, and NPR are my primary sources. I'd like to use the Wall Street Journal, but the goddamn paywall makes it very difficult. The NY Times has a paywall, too, but it's easy to gift articles as a subscriber.

I don't use Fox News ever, because it makes me laugh too much. In all seriousness, I don't use Fox News, but not because MSNBC or someone in the Secret Handshake Liberal Underground told me. I just did a taste test.

Here's how you do a taste test- when something important happens, open up Fox News. Then open up a few other sources- AP, Reuters, even the NY Times or whatever you think is centrist. Just open the news sections on the NY Times; I'm not asking you to read the editorials, just the news articles.

Then take a look at what Fox News is focusing on, versus the other sites. You will always see more opinion pieces and pieces designed to inflame you or make fun of Biden. And there will be celebrity gossip, too.

For example, it's 12:40 AM on 6/4. Here's the top ten Fox News articles (just the bold parts):

1. Royal observer notices subtle behavior by Meghan and Harry as they are booed at Jubilee celebration (celebrity gossip).

2. President mocks Musk, who quickly hit back with fact about US space program (the story is a bit twisted, because Musk mocked the US economy first, and of course Musk gets the last word in this story).

3. Reaction of future Supreme Court justice to one country's gun ban (Look! The Biden choice likes what New Zealand did!

4. Popular restaurant chain pushing young children to read 'drag kids' book (Pizza Hut has a literacy program with 361 children's books, one of which is about a kid dressing in drag. Boy, it's a good thing FoxNews didn't see that book on Eleanor Roosevelt!

5. Major announcement clears the way for Trump-backed doc in tight Senate race (look at that wording. Meanwhile, here's the AP: McCormick concedes to Oz in Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary. Fox has to make sure it's always about Trump.).

6. STABBING ATTACK: Two nurses and doctor wounded at Los Angeles hospital, suspect in custody (look, it's designed to frighten you with STABBING ATTACK).

7. Bill Maher fears Republicans are 'going to steal the issue' of marijuana from Democrats (celebrity gossip).

8. Box of loaded guns found in Florida school near 2018 Parkland shooting site belong to principal, police say (Honestly, this seems like a story that's not important at all, but GUNS GUNS GUNS).

9. Chevron CEO issues dire warning for future of oil in US (look- it uses "dire". The story isn't mentioned on the AP News site. A search on NPR shows a May story where Chevron reported its highest quarterly profit in a decade. See the priorities?

10. BLOODY LOVE TRIANGLE: Marshals send dire message to fugitive weeks after pro cyclist was found slain (scary story!

If you think I'm wrong, play the game for yourself. The stories will be different by the time you read it, but the biases will still be there. Fox News is all about scaring you by showing you:

1. Biden is ruining America!

2. VIOLENCE!

3. They're making our kids gay!

4. They're taking our guns away!

5. Celebrities! Look at the tits! (They can't scare you all the time.).

Speaking of jobs, can I please have a blow job now? I'm not writing any more inflation stuff. I officially exit the Woodshed. Have fun.

[Vandelay Ent]

Jordan B. Peterson — 'In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. '.


I assume you think I support Biden, because I disagree with you? Otherwise why would you repeat them same 'checkmate' twice unless you somehow assume your premise on that, relates to my stance? And points out the flaw in that I am with the 'foolish' and here is the wise speaking of such.

My argument was on pointing out the fallacy of: "I R Smarter than allll you, because I gotz college degrees like you..but mines is more betters for making me smarterer"

Never once did I mention my political stance, or my thoughts on Biden/Dems, or my like/dislike of him. I think he is an old man in the park lost and talking to the trees type president. And a wet paper bag with lips drawn on it would have been as effective in the oval office. (as both would be rallied as a savior by the dems, and bull dog blocked by the reps, because of petty tribal discourse on both parties).

So what makes you assume that Bill Maher statement isn't also my stance on them? (I haven't voted democrat since 1992. neither major party since 2000). Because it easier to gross generalize a disagreement on one thing, into a bigger picture of "Must be one of....them" saber rattling?

Easier to throw venom at a mislabeled known enemy, than have discourse with a possible ally I suppose. A "no true Scotsman" mentality.

[Motoyo]

Jordan B. Peterson 'In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. '.But it wasn't offensive, simply misplaced assumptions. What is offensive, at all, about posting a you tube video? I think you are taking that comment WAY out of context and stretching the premise of offensive pretty thin to make it fit.

[MovingForward]

See, you don't know that I spent much of my college time as an econ major. (Finished as a mathematician, because I like harder analysis than that of economics, actually.).I assumed you had a degree or 2. So, I guess I did know. Mathematics was one of the toughest degrees. I suggested 2 of the better economists. These 2 are rarely taught because of their conservative views.

[BeachDan9999]

Jordan B. Peterson 'In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. '.Another no degree inferiority complex. Don't bash those that choose formal education. If anything, a university education should enable critical thinking. I don't believe you have the tools.

[OnTime877]

You have no idea what you're talking about. The site you vouch for as a media fact checker is run by Dave Van Zandt. Who is a left-wing loon. He considers the WSJ to be "Right-wing". There's so much wrong with this site that it is comparable to Snopes.

Regarding world-wide inflation. What is your point? When the world's largest energy producer (USA) shuts down production-the impact is worldwide. PMR (price margin realization) is in full effect across all sectors. Raw materials, refining processes, manufacturing, farming, fertilizers, transportation and warehousing all impacted.

I encourage critical thinking. Now, where can I find some good pussy?

Stay safe!

Skydog.

You are talking out of your ass. Media Bias Fact Check calls the far left for what it is and the same for the reverse. Yes Wall St Journal has a right center bias with mostly factual data. Yes, Financial Times UK is an excellent source. You can dismiss them as "left wing loons" but it's just monger forum babble. Inflation is worldwide. Gas prices, you name it, worldwide. Actually no source is needed as the information is common knowledge. If you blame it all on the Democrats then that betrays that you are a doofuss with a head full of biased sources. As to "finding pussy," good luck in Jacksonville if P4 P is your angle.

[OnTime877]

So being a capitalist is right wing? Making profits is bad?Skydog.Who ever said that? Why not respond to what people actually say rather than erecting straw men and knocking them down? The former requires aptitude, the latter any dumbfuck can do.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

[OnTime877]

Jordan B. Peterson 'In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. '.That's ironic indeed considering that right wingnuts are so easily offended, and without a doubt sore losers.

That's all tolerable actually but any more coup attempts while murdering cops is not.

[OnTime877]

The Best comedy is always rooted in truth. It has been said the United States has the finest law enforcement money can buy. It is the biggest publicly funded and privately held law enforcement agency on the planet. With roughly 35,000 employees, and 9. 5 to 10 billion budgets annually. That is the part we know about. Of course, we all know there are a few other pockets on that jacket stuffed to the brim with things we are not allowed to know about. $100 billion seems like a lot of money. I should think the going rate for such an organization should be quite a bit higher.

"Democrats Have Become The Party Of 'No Common Sense'.

Bill Maher.Bill Maher? Plluuzz za LOL.

There's grossly higher rates of police killings in the US compared to other nations. Drastically higher, and why? When you ignore that item in your analysis then we can't help but question your bias. And please, don't do the lightweight, Trump and whine about "fake news. " These are established and hardly disputed facts.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country

[PlayTiem]

Another no degree inferiority complex. Don't bash those that choose formal education. If anything, a university education should enable critical thinking. I don't believe you have the tools.I have no idea what Vandalay was trying to say there, but if you don't have critical thinking skills by the time you get to Uni, you're already fucked.

The only thing a degree of any sort demonstrates is the ability to commit to a medium term project, the ability to navigate certain types of social situations, a reasonable base of education, and a nominally functional intellect. To think it signifies anything more is, um, delusional. Now, those are useful skills, but don't necessarily indicate fitness for any particular job.

Also, as others have tried to point out, a masters degree in middle english poetry doesn't qualify one to speak to economic matters, nor does a PhD in quantum physics really qualify one to discuss the intricacies of, say, Middle East politics. This is a variant on "billionaire's disease" - where someone who has had some degree of success in one area believes themselves to be qualified in all areas.

Just like with billionaires not really having anyone around to tell them they're full of shit, people who brag on their degrees tend to get silent eye rolls and "what a pompous prick" whispered behind their backs, but most of the time nobody will bother to confront them, because they're just not worth the time, as they're clearly demonstrating a sense of deep insecurity that they're trying to literally paper over.

(note that at no time in this post am I saying anything remotely negative about education, including higher education).

[OnTime877]

I have no idea what Vandalay was trying to say there, but if you don't have critical thinking skills by the time you get to Uni, you're already fucked.Though I agree with most of your post I consider this an overstatement. It takes a real dipshit to send Trump money to the tune of 250 million then believe Alex Jones and kill cops looking for Pelosi and Pence. It's a real advertisement for what black guys have been calling trailer park trash for decades. What an embarrasement for the white guys in the audience, but that's what a high school diploma gets you. You don't learn much about logic or get inquistive at that level. If you listen in college all is considered BS until proven otherwise. That's what you pay the big bucks for.

[Low Baller]

Yeah, my bad, I think that's her but an older number or something because I found one of her listings last year on the site. I thought I put a link to at least like the * Honestly, her channels by which to contact her are so poorly organized, I wish I had realized she had a twitter before looking into things a little more. Didn't even realize that snapchat was a thing. I'll add those in for convenience.

https://onlyfans.com/valentinadream

https://twitter.com/ValentinaDream8

Now for the fellow calling me basically a plant, listen I get you. I understand both how it looks and just the general vibe of this forum.

Like if you want the actual quick takeaways, they would have been.

1. She's real and I didn't die.

2. She didn't rush and generally treats you like people.

3. Her rates aren't all that absurd (least I don't think).

4. I'm certain you wouldn't be disappointed if you gave her a shot.Line number 4, telling us mongers we need to give her a shot and he is certain we won't be disappointed sounds totally like a Selfie review.

Re reviews tell us the details of a fellow monger's experience. And as mongers know, some of us like spinner while other like bbw and all the options in between. So a real review does not try to convince us other mongers to go see a provider because the reviewer is sure I or you will have a good time with her. That is advertising and games to get us to prove the review is a selfie, and in the process for us mongers to give Ms Valentina our hard-earned coins!

Mongers this game worked, it made us notice Ms Valentina and think about seeing her. But is is a selfie and clearly we must no see Valentina.

I will never see Valentina!

[Larciel]

Line number 4, telling us mongers we need to give her a shot and he is certain we won't be disappointed sounds totally like a Selfie review.

Re reviews tell us the details of a fellow monger's experience. And as mongers know, some of us like spinner while other like bbw and all the options in between. So a real review does not try to convince us other mongers to go see a provider because the reviewer is sure I or you will have a good time with her. That is advertising and games to get us to prove the review is a selfie, and in the process for us mongers to give Ms Valentina our hard-earned coins!

Mongers this game worked, it made us notice Ms Valentina and think about seeing her. But is is a selfie and clearly we must no see Valentina.

I will never see Valentina!All I'm taking away from this is, "Hey, I don't trust positive reviews. The only ones I will trust are the negative ones. ".

And listen, that's you and the other dudes prerogative here, I get that. But here's a very simple thing I do have to correct there in that first line of yours and let's run through my line 4 together with the class:

"4. I'm certain you wouldn't be disappointed if you gave her a shot. ", You said that I said you "need" to give her a shot, you see the word "need" in there? I'm not saying "You need to put stock down on this for it is hot my friends! This ain't no fomo". Now I will admit maybe the whole of that phrasing may be a bit much, but all I wish to convey is "I'm a satisfied customer and if you asked if it was worth it, it was". But I also should have probably left it out. Plus 3 items make for a nicer listlet.

But that'll be the last peep out of me on this subject then, I know defending myself like this to you and any other amounts to me and you both having a pissing contest in the community watering hole that is this board.

I will be back later though after some business later tonight, and hopefully whatever I post someone finds helpful.

[AMnnos]

She ripped me off couple years ago I reported on here. Seems like no one listened. I am not surprised.You seem kinda huffy in your post.

Yes, Allie is a thief and yes there will be guys who don't listen. Most, if not all girls, are opportunists and most guys are going to do what they want to do. It's the nature of The Game.

Run along young man. Find more pussy. LOL.

[Tallbert]

Now, where can I find some good pussy?

Stay safe!

Skydog.As for inflation, I love it! It reminds me of being a kid in the 70's!. As fake bill clinton said on old SNL, which WAS funny "Inflation isn't all bad, wouldn't you like to own a $500,000 car? I know I would".

Happy Mongering,

Tall.

Clearly, the reason for inflation was stated correctly, see image. O'biden!

[Powerhouse100]

What PervNerd48 wrote:

"So this is weird. This is the woman I just reviewed (Ania). My experience was completely different. Strange.

I will add that her room was a bit messy- she was trying to clean it up. I didn't think she was high, but I could be wrong. I had a much better time than you did.

When I asked about donations, she just said 150. She didn't say quick visit or anything. I have a policy of NOT negotiating with providers- you give me your number, and I either take it or decline. Maybe she doesn't like negotiating or short visits.

Just strange how these things go. ".

Before you start white knighting, consider this--would you say there is no such things as YMMV? Just because you had a better experience (your opinion) than me, does not make my review any less truthful! And for your information, I did not mention $80, she did! Now take that! Don't assume anything! Any woman who thinks I am going to pay $80 for 5 minutes, when the norm is for 15 minutes, is out of her damn mind! I didn't negotiate a damn thing! And if that's what she told you, then go ahead and believe her. You said strange?! You said weird! How the hell is it strange / weird because your experience differed from mine?! This happens all the time!

I don't write reviews based on your experience or anyone else; I write them based on my own. And just because she didn't seem high when you seen her, does not make my observation untruthful and because of my work experience, I am pretty sure I can detect drug use better than you! Some of you guys are a hot azz mess! You take up for these girls like you want them to be your woman! And let me say this, based on what I saw, in person, I don't personally see that she is even worth $150, but hey, that's your biz and your money and before you start saying I don't have the means to pay higher, let me tell you something partner, I could drop a grand on a biatch whenever I please, but guess what? I will never drop that kind of money on puss! You see, it's about what we value! I'd drop a grand or more on a trip out of the country for a vacay because it's worth it to me, but to drop this amount on puss, not me!

You must have had some kind of confidence in these reviews because you mentioned how flaky she is and you decided to take care of other biz just because you knew her MO! So you believed this part, but it's too strange or weird for you to believe what I wrote, of which, I care less if you believe me or not. I have seen girls who other guys have had negative experiences with and my time with them was better! But I never come on here telling someone that their experience was untruthful or weird / strange because I know these girls can be better some days and worse other days; it's the nature of the biz. I take the reviews and use them to my advantage. For example, Ronnie started robbing people. Did I condemn the reviewers who noted this, no! But, I did car meets with her to take her away from her criminal element. This is how we use reviews, not condemn others just because we had a fantastic experience! And let's not even talk about the condition of her hotel--that shidd was a mess, but damn, you decided to make that look less messy or in your words, a "bit" messy! And if she does not like qv's, why then did she offer it and the price!? SMDH.

[OnTime877]

Clearly, the reason for inflation was stated correctly, see image. O'biden!

Many factors are involved in the current worldwide inflation, mostly related to disrupted supply chains, high demand for goods and services as Covid becomes endemic, as well as the war in Ukraine. Not to mention that gas prices in the states have decreased 50 days running. Looks like you need to take a break from the Faux News evening propaganda hours.

PS Regarding O'bama, well did nothing less than lift us out of the worst economic situation since the Great Depression, inherited from the Repubs, plus handed Trump a strong economy. Who fucked it up, crashing the economy bungling and lying about a pandemic, tossing the O'Bama pandemic response playbook aside and this after drastically reducing CDC staff in China in the months prior to the outbreak against all expert advice. It's thus not a wonder that we have the highest per capita Covid death rates among weathly nations with red states of course leading the way.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/red-blue-america-glaring-divide-covid-19-death/story?id=83649085

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3N5

[OnTime877]

Regarding world-wide inflation. What is your point? The point is obvious unless someone is so naive as to think that the current worldwide, pandemic related inflation we are experiencing proceeds from a single cause, a slowing of domestic fossil fuel production in the US. Though the largest single producer we still only represent 18.5% of the world's crude production.


When the world's largest energy producer (USA) shuts down production-the impact is worldwide.

You are wrong. We have not "shut down production. " In fact decreases have been marginal.

"First, there has not been a shutdown of oil production. The USA Was producing 11.185 million barrels of crude oil per day in 2021, compared with an average of 11.283 million barrels per day in 2020, according to data from the USA Energy Information Administration.

The latest data shows that for the week of March 4, 2022, the USA Is producing 11.6 million barrels per day.

'The USA Remains the world's biggest producer of crude oil, said Mark Finley, a fellow in energy and global oil at Rice University in Houston.

One of the main reasons gasoline prices have pushed higher is because the price of crude oil has been rising over the past year. As more people get on the road after being cooped up during the pandemic, oil and gas suppliers that had scaled back production during the pandemic are struggling to keep up.

Decisions by the OPEC+ oil cartel, led by Saudi Arabia and Russia, to only modestly increase the oil they released to the market kept prices high. ' ".

https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2022/03/no-gas-prices-are-not-high-because-the-us-shut-down-oil-production.html#text=First%2 C%20 there%20 has%20 not%20 been, the%20 USA %20 Energy%20 Information%20 Administration.

Many factors are involved involved in this worldwide phenomenon. At the top of the list is increased demand as a pandemic becomes endemic and people who have been cooped up two years wish to get out, spend, and travel.


I encourage critical thinking.You could have fooled me. Wink. Your whole angle is a huge non-sequitur. Try cutting off Fox News for a spell, ignore fake, right wing nut graphs that show up in your Facebook feeds, do some valid research, and realize that such complex phenomenons as the current worldwide inflation are typically multi-causal, while plenty difficult to shoehorn into narrow political agendas.

[OnTime877]

Clearly, the reason for inflation was stated correctly, see image. O'biden!I double checked your graph from Wolf Richter's website. My question is, how can you blame "O'Biden" for a drop in oil production in May 2020 when he wasn't president? ROFL That's where the graph ends. That's assuming the graph is even valid, a big assumption I know. Wink. Nice try anyway.

[TallBear]

Economic issues are a perennial political debate, as witnessed by the preceeding pages of thoughtful analysis & purest bullshit. Why? Because pocketbook issues affect us all, and regardless of the fact that the ship of global economy is not nearly as driven by the political winds as the gasbags running for office & talking about it on TV would have us believe, the Republican Party most assuredly wants us to talk about nothing else--certainly not their on-going coup.

By refusing to honor their constitutional duty and impeaching our Putin-wannabe, "Republicans" have made Donald Trump's assault upon the democratic institutions & ideals of the American republic their own.

The pundits & political class consistently claim that elections are determined by economics. Republicans are counting on it. But norms are shattering as we degenerate into a state of "cold" civil war. On Tuesday, agents of the Republican coup won nominations, while the Dobbs decision produced record turnout in blood-red Kansas. Not so sure it's all about the economy this time.

[PervNerd48]

What PervNerd48 wrote:

"So this is weird. This is the woman I just reviewed (Ania). My experience was completely different. Strange.

I will add that her room was a bit messy- she was trying to clean it up. I didn't think she was high, but I could be wrong. I had a much better time than you did.

When I asked about donations, she just said 150. She didn't say quick visit or anything. I have a policy of NOT negotiating with providers- you give me your number, and I either take it or decline. Maybe she doesn't like negotiating or short visits.

Just strange how these things go. ".

Before you start white knighting, consider this--would you say there is no such things as YMMV? Just because you had a better experience (your opinion) than me, does not make my review any less truthful! And for your information, I did not mention $80, she did! Now take that! Don't assume anything! Any woman who thinks I am going to pay $80 for 5 minutes, when the norm is for 15 minutes, is out of her damn mind! I didn't negotiate a damn thing! And if that's what she told you, then go ahead and believe her. You said strange?! You said weird! How the hell is it strange / weird because your experience differed from mine?! This happens all the time!

I don't write reviews based on your experience or anyone else; I write them based on my own. And just because she didn't seem high when you seen her, does not make my observation untruthful and because of my work experience, I am pretty sure I can detect drug use better than you! Some of you guys are a hot azz mess! You take up for these girls like you want them to be your woman! And let me say this, based on what I saw, in person, I don't personally see that she is even worth $150, but hey, that's your biz and your money and before you start saying I don't have the means to pay higher, let me tell you something partner, I could drop a grand on a biatch whenever I please, but guess what? I will never drop that kind of money on puss! You see, it's about what we value! I'd drop a grand or more on a trip out of the country for a vacay because it's worth it to me, but to drop this amount on puss, not me!

You must have had some kind of confidence in these reviews because you mentioned how flaky she is and you decided to take care of other biz just because you knew her MO! So you believed this part, but it's too strange or weird for you to believe what I wrote, of which, I care less if you believe me or not. I have seen girls who other guys have had negative experiences with and my time with them was better! But I never come on here telling someone that their experience was untruthful or weird / strange because I know these girls can be better some days and worse other days; it's the nature of the biz. I take the reviews and use them to my advantage. For example, Ronnie started robbing people. Did I condemn the reviewers who noted this, no! But, I did car meets with her to take her away from her criminal element. This is how we use reviews, not condemn others just because we had a fantastic experience! And let's not even talk about the condition of her hotel--that shidd was a mess, but damn, you decided to make that look less messy or in your words, a "bit" messy! And if she does not like qv's, why then did she offer it and the price!? SMDH.A few points:

1. I'm not white knighting. I believe that I had a good experience and you had a poor one. That's not white knighting. I believe you were fully truthful about your experience with her.

2. All I did was call out the fact that we both posted different experiences on the same day. I'm not doing that to bash you at all. You're a senior guy here. To me, it's weird that you had a terrible experience with her and I had a nice experience. Usually, a provider tends to be all good or all bad on a day. That's all.

3. You took my post as an attack on you. Again, I believe you were fully truthful about your experience with her. I'm not attacking you or how you dealt with her. That's your business.

4. I hear there are amazing advances in decaffeinated coffee. You can't taste the difference. You might want to try some.

That's all I got.

[OnTime877]

Economic issues are a perennial political debate, as witnessed by the preceeding pages of thoughtful analysis & purest bullshit. Why? Because pocketbook issues affect us all, and regardless of the fact that the ship of global economy is not nearly as driven by the political winds as the gasbags running for office & talking about it on TV would have us believe, the Republican Party most assuredly wants us to talk about nothing else--certainly not their on-going coup.

By refusing to honor their constitutional duty and impeaching our Putin-wannabe, "Republicans" have made Donald Trump's assault upon the democratic institutions & ideals of the American republic their own.

The pundits & political class consistently claim that elections are determined by economics. Republicans are counting on it. But norms are shattering as we degenerate into a state of "cold" civil war. On Tuesday, agents of the Republican coup won nominations, while the Dobbs decision produced record turnout in blood-red Kansas. Not so sure it's all about the economy this time.Much of the problem is the fountains many Republicans are drinking from, ie. Fux News, Breitbart, Info Wars, and viral right wingnut Facebook posts, some of which are straight from Russia. It's one thing to take facts and give them a left spin, a la CNN and quite another to completely make things up like "Covid is the flu" "Obama was born in Kenya" "Stop the steal," and more recently "we have stopped oil production," all utter horseshit. Fox is not a news service but is tabloid. It birthed from Rush Limbaugh who refused all challenges to step up to the debate stage with the excuse "I'm just an entertainer. " Yea so are Hannity and Carlson. Lies are entertaining.

[WailOnSkydog]

Much of the problem is the fountains many Republicans are drinking from, ie. Fux News, Breitbart, Info Wars, and viral right wingnut Facebook posts, some of which are straight from Russia. It's one thing to take facts and give them a left spin, a la CNN and quite another to completely make things up like "Covid is the flu" "Obama was born in Kenya" "Stop the steal," and more recently "we have stopped oil production," all utter horseshit. Fox is not a news service but is tabloid. It birthed from Rush Limbaugh who refused all challenges to step up to the debate stage with the excuse "I'm just an entertainer. " Yea so are Hannity and Carlson. Lies are entertaining.You seem so intelligent and articulate. From which sources to you gather such valuable knowledge?

[OnTime877]

You seem so intelligent and articulate. From which sources to you gather such valuable knowledge?From far better sources than you when you come up with the claim that the US has "stopped oil production. " LOL When you start with a huge lie it's all downhill from there. I'd bet you also believe the election was stolen even after 60+ lawsuits were laughed out of court. Many need deprogramming from the cult of Trump and Fox's nightly propaganda hours before we can have a legitmate discussion about the direction of the country.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-production

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-crude-output-petroleum-demand-rise-2022-eia-2022-07-12/#text=EIA%20 projected%20 crude%20 production%20 will,11.19%20 million%20 bpd%20 in%202021.

https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2022/03/no-gas-prices-are-not-high-because-the-us-shut-down-oil-production.html

[WailOnSkydog]

From far better sources than you when you come up with the claim that the US has "stopped oil production. " LOL When you start with a huge lie it's all downhill from there. I'd bet you also believe the election was stolen even after 60+ lawsuits were laughed out of court. Many need deprogramming from the cult of Trump and Fox's nightly propaganda hours before we can have a legitmate discussion about the direction of the country.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-production

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-crude-output-petroleum-demand-rise-2022-eia-2022-07-12/#text=EIA%20 projected%20 crude%20 production%20 will,11.19%20 million%20 bpd%20 in%202021.

https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2022/03/no-gas-prices-are-not-high-because-the-us-shut-down-oil-production.htmlGod Bless.

[OnTime877]

God Bless.Enjoy your weekend.

[Sicilly]

Many factors are involved in the current worldwide inflation, mostly related to disrupted supply chains, high demand for goods and services as Covid becomes endemic, as well as the war in Ukraine. Not to mention that gas prices in the states have decreased 50 days running. Looks like you need to take a break from the Faux News evening propaganda hours.

PS Regarding O'bama, well did nothing less than lift us out of the worst economic situation since the Great Depression, inherited from the Repubs, plus handed Trump a strong economy. Who fucked it up, crashing the economy bungling and lying about a pandemic, tossing the O'Bama pandemic response playbook aside and this after drastically reducing CDC staff in China in the months prior to the outbreak against all expert advice. It's thus not a wonder that we have the highest per capita Covid death rates among weathly nations with red states of course leading the way.ROTFLMFAO. Good one. Tell us more.

[Powerhouse100]

A few points:

1. I'm not white knighting. I believe that I had a good experience and you had a poor one. That's not white knighting. I believe you were fully truthful about your experience with her.

2. All I did was call out the fact that we both posted different experiences on the same day. I'm not doing that to bash you at all. You're a senior guy here. To me, it's weird that you had a terrible experience with her and I had a nice experience. Usually, a provider tends to be all good or all bad on a day. That's all.

3. You took my post as an attack on you. Again, I believe you were fully truthful about your experience with her. I'm not attacking you or how you dealt with her. That's your business.

4. I hear there are amazing advances in decaffeinated coffee. You can't taste the difference. You might want to try some..I don't know if you have reading comprehension issues, but anyone reading your response can see that it was more of a refutation of my experience and what are you, a scientist on providers. You mean to tell me that it is not possible to have 2 different experiences on the same day with the same provider? Now that's pretty ignorant of you! SMH.

From whence did you get that silly and unfounded theory? You even accused me of offering $80 and as I mentioned, this was an assumption on your part or did you listen to your girl!? You took her $150 offer; she offered me 80, so what's the problem? You said maybe she did not like qv--well, again, I will say, why offer it? Am I supposed to read a person's mind! Many of us do like qv because we don't want to pay an hour or hh to someone and can't stand to be in their presence; however, it's a preference, partner, since indeed it is my money! Anyway, I'm done with your foolishness and you can place me on ignore! Please, I beg ya!

[QuietSeeker]

I started Mongering just before Backpage was closed, and every girl I see laments its passing, but none can explain the difference between Backpage and STG, or at least their preference for Backpage, can any of you shed some light, or is it just yearning for the "good old days"?

QS.

P.S. Apparently its a Real PITA to get an STG account, so How the hell does MANDY MANDY MANDY keep getting one?

[PervNerd48]

I don't know if you have reading comprehension issues, but anyone reading your response can see that it was more of a refutation of my experience and what are you, a scientist on providers. You mean to tell me that it is not possible to have 2 different experiences on the same day with the same provider? Now that's pretty ignorant of you! SMH.

From whence did you get that silly and unfounded theory? You even accused me of offering $80 and as I mentioned, this was an assumption on your part or did you listen to your girl!? You took her $150 offer; she offered me 80, so what's the problem? You said maybe she did not like qv--well, again, I will say, why offer it? Am I supposed to read a person's mind! Many of us do like qv because we don't want to pay an hour or hh to someone and can't stand to be in their presence; however, it's a preference, partner, since indeed it is my money! Anyway, I'm done with your foolishness and you can place me on ignore! Please, I beg ya!You know, I really wasn't trying to insult, demean, or diminish your experience. But apparently, you're in the mood to pick a fight, so here you go.

"Refutation" is defined as "the action of proving a statement or theory to be wrong or false. " I didn't do any such thing. I didn't prove you wrong or right. As I said multiple time, I believe your recap of your experience. I believe she provided you poor service for your money.

I didn't think that happened because you paid less than I did. Nor did I say that negotiating for an experience is a bad idea. I think you did what was right for you.

I don't negotiate with providers. This isn't a moral stance. This is because my experience is that every time I did it, I had a bad experience. So I don't do it.

I'm on a budget, too, just like everyone here. I'm certainly not rich. I respect everyone's attempt to have as much fun for as little money as possible.

When I called this provider, I asked for her rate. She didn't haggle. She gave me her number and I agreed. That's it. That approach works for me. I'm sure your approach works for you.

I wrote my review before seeing your review. I didn't write it to answer yours, to white-knight the woman, or for any other reason than to share my experience with other people here. When I saw you had posted, and had such a different experience, I commented on it. That's it. No agenda, no desire to put you down or call you a liar. I did use the word "weird" when I described how our experiences were different. I really don't think that was because we paid different amounts. I don't think the girls provide different experiences based strictly on donation. I think it's more that the provider in question is clearly a human being going through stuff, and isn't consistent on every experience. I'm not the only person who said her service was good, and I think others have had similar experiences as you did. She's inconsistent.

In the end, I think we're both right. You had a bad experience. I had a good experience. Why that happened, I don't know. But that doesn't mean I am trying to perform a "refutation" on you. Like I said, you're a senior member, and I believe your recap, even if it's different from mine.

Now, why you've spent multiple posts trying to slam me, I'll never know. You clearly have no desire to show me the same respect I showed you. I don't know why that is, and honestly, I don't really give a fuck.

I'm not going to block you. I find your opinions informative. But if you want to block me, go right a-fucking-head. I've spent more time answering your posts- not "refuting" them- than I did in the dream itself.

Done.

[Powerhouse100]

You know, I really wasn't trying to insult, demean, or diminish your experience. But apparently, you're in the mood to pick a fight, so here you go.

"Refutation" is defined as "the action of proving a statement or theory to be wrong or false. " I didn't do any such thing. I didn't prove you wrong or right. As I said multiple time, I believe your recap of your experience. I believe she provided you poor service for your money.

I didn't think that happened because you paid less than I did. Nor did I say that negotiating for an experience is a bad idea. I think you did what was right for you.

I don't negotiate with providers. This isn't a moral stance. This is because my experience is that every time I did it, I had a bad experience. So I don't do it.

I'm on a budget, too, just like everyone here. I'm certainly not rich. I respect everyone's attempt to have as much fun for as little money as possible.

When I called this provider, I asked for her rate. She didn't haggle. She gave me her number and I agreed. That's it. That approach works for me. I'm sure your approach works for you.

I wrote my review before seeing your review. I didn't write it to answer yours, to white-knight the woman, or for any other reason than to share my experience with other people here. When I saw you had posted, and had such a different experience, I commented on it. That's it. No agenda, no desire to put you down or call you a liar. I did use the word "weird" when I described how our experiences were different. I really don't think that was because we paid different amounts. I don't think the girls provide different experiences based strictly on donation. I think it's more that the provider in question is clearly a human being going through stuff, and isn't consistent on every experience. I'm not the only person who said her service was good, and I think others have had similar experiences as you did. She's inconsistent.

In the end, I think we're both right. You had a bad experience. I had a good experience. Why that happened, I don't know. But that doesn't mean I am trying to perform a "refutation" on you. Like I said, you're a senior member, and I believe your recap, even if it's different from mine.

Now, why you've spent multiple posts trying to slam me, I'll never know. You clearly have no desire to show me the same respect I showed you. I don't know why that is, and honestly, I don't really give a fuck.

I'm not going to block you. I find your opinions informative. But if you want to block me, go right a-fucking-head. I've spent more time answering your posts- not "refuting" them- than I did in the dream itself.

Done.You said more than what you are alleging but hey, whatever. You are the one who seem to now agree that she's inconsistent, which is really the whole point and yes, that I can agree with! But this is why I couldn't understand why you would characterize the review and / or experience as weird. Perhaps you just chose the wrong word, but this kind of behavior from providers is pretty common, in my experiences over the years and it only seems to get worse by the day! Listen, I don't mind paying more money as long as the services are good, but I have also found through the years that just because you pay their requested rate doesn't always lead to a successful experience. Oh no! I can't tell you how many guys have paid for an hour, but got rushed out the door in under 10 minutes. This is just the nature of the game when dealing with drug addicts. And human being or not, she should have communicated to me her expectations, not have me drive all the way across town then inform me of her time limitations! But ya know, at this point, I don't give two phucks about this provider, as I know her type! The end!

[RawDawg904]

Y'all sure do spend so much time going back and forth about completely irrelevant stuff. Why waste your time with such lengthy responses? I just come here to shake my head every once in a while.

Off to do something constructive now, like fuck a pussy!

[Powerhouse100]

Y'all sure do spend so much time going back and forth about completely irrelevant stuff. Why waste your time with such lengthy responses? I just come here to shake my head every once in a while.

Off to do something constructive now, like fuck a pussy!But this is why it's in the woodshed where just about anything goes, such as discussions about the economy and inflation, right? I mean, no one is taking up space in the escort thread where those discussions are more apropos, right?

[Oshmalee]

Just a heads up. Mandy contacted admin for STG and explained how the video was a joke, you never see or hear any guy, and that all this on the boards is hearsay for the most part. She was in a bad place years back and was not doing anyone harm and would not. She DID admit to playing games but she states she never stole or robbed anyone.

So admin asked me if I was willing to meet with her and explain the rules going forward. Mandy and I met for lunch and she is the lady in the ad. She understands that if someone comes forward with legitimate proof she has wronged them, moving forward, she is gone forever no more chances. She also was accused of not being a real escort. Well we can put that to rest as well, not getting into details. She IS picky. She's actually smart, a smartass / joker type personality. So if you can't take a joke don't contact her. She will offend you and she doesn't care. Can not sit still, very energetic. Has the coolest Pitbull you will ever meet. So a lot of the hearsay is because she will not see everyone and she doesn't have too. Her phone went off more than a few times while I was with her. She was nice and turned the ringer off and even apologized.

If you are a clean professional and she is your type from what I just described then take your chances. I make no guarantees. Only that she does exist. If she wrongs anyone moving forward she understands she is done on STG.

[AMnnos]

Just a heads up. Mandy contacted admin for STG and explained how the video was a joke, you never see or hear any guy, and that all this on the boards is hearsay for the most part. She was in a bad place years back and was not doing anyone harm and would not. She DID admit to playing games but she states she never stole or robbed anyone.

So admin asked me if I was willing to meet with her and explain the rules going forward. Mandy and I met for lunch and she is the lady in the ad. She understands that if someone comes forward with legitimate proof she has wronged them, moving forward, she is gone forever no more chances. She also was accused of not being a real escort. Well we can put that to rest as well, not getting into details. She IS picky. She's actually smart, a smartass / joker type personality. So if you can't take a joke don't contact her. She will offend you and she doesn't care. Can not sit still, very energetic. Has the coolest Pitbull you will ever meet. So a lot of the hearsay is because she will not see everyone and she doesn't have too. Her phone went off more than a few times while I was with her. She was nice and turned the ringer off and even apologized.

If you are a clean professional and she is your type from what I just described then take your chances. I make no guarantees. Only that she does exist. If she wrongs anyone moving forward she understands she is done on STG.It's all good and all but what I would stay very leery of a Mandy Mandy Mandy visit. Sounds like you may have a cake and rainbow visit with her, but my guess is it's because you have the upper hand with her. Stroking the cock of the man who feeds her. Glad it went off without a hitch. I've actually talked to Mandy and she DOES sound pretty cool. But that's only the first layer of her personality.

A while back Mandy stated that she's turned a new leaf only to get another negative review shortly after. Was it the fault of the reviewer that things turned sour? Dunno. We will never know. But given the track record Mx3 has, I think I'd side with a fellow Monger.

Something you quoted (she said) doesn't sit well. Mandy claims "she was in a bad place years back and will never cause harm". I can't find the review (bcuz its so far back) but someone posted that during a visit, while in his birthday suit, 2 armed dudes (y'all know the type) and a girl walked in. Words were exchanged but nothing physical. The Monger simply put his clothes back on and left wallet empty and dick in his hand. Is that what she meant about just joking around not causing any harm? The "my life was bad" and I'll never harm anyone" doesn't coincide. Not in our world. I can most definitely take a joke and I'll reciprocate the josh but that little stunt would never settle with me had I been in that situation. The infamous YT video may not show anyone getting robbed or being fucked with but it most definitely doesn't paint a pretty picture either. Shows what she and her cohorts are capable of. If I remember right, wasn't it titled "Fuck USASG" or something along that line?

If all what was said about her on the board is 'hearsay", then I guess every review about every girl we've all talked about is hearsay. One rule of thumb for many of these girls is: "Get them first so we can get ours".

And proof? How does one get proof? Do we video our visit in hopes to document a good or bad session? Do we tag along a buddy so he can vouch for us? Do we live-stream the event? Proof can't be had unless certain actions take place otherwise its all "hearsay".

I'll agree- Mandy does have the right to choose who she sees. All girls do. But that's a sticky situation. If a potential client hits her up, makes the deal, settles the arrangements and drives aaallll the way to where she's holed up at but realize their not vibing- Then what? Mandy decides shit ain't happening. Now you've got a pissed off Monger.

Anywho, that's my thoughts. Figured I'd be a little Debbie Downer and throw in my 2 pesos. This post was not deter anyone from seeing Amanda, by no means, but put in fore-front her ways or what her ways was. So when you knock on her door and she kidnaps you *LOL at least you went in knowing the possibilities. I wish the best for those who decide to take the plunge and I mean that whole-heartedly. Hope Mr Burnett doesn't relapse and revert back to her old ways. Just remember that these girls are opportunists and steal from their own moms if it benefits them. No "head on a swivel" but Head rotate 360. LOL.

Sounds like Mandy got her pittie back from the dude she sold it to.

[Powerhouse100]

It's all good and all but what I would stay very leery of a Mandy Mandy Mandy visit. Sounds like you may have a cake and rainbow visit with her, but my guess is it's because you have the upper hand with her. Stroking the cock of the man who feeds her. Glad it went off without a hitch. I've actually talked to Mandy and she DOES sound pretty cool. But that's only the first layer of her personality.

A while back Mandy stated that she's turned a new leaf only to get another negative review shortly after. Was it the fault of the reviewer that things turned sour? Dunno. We will never know. But given the track record Mx3 has, I think I'd side with a fellow Monger.

Something you quoted (she said) doesn't sit well. Mandy claims "she was in a bad place years back and will never cause harm". I can't find the review (bcuz its so far back) but someone posted that during a visit, while in his birthday suit, 2 armed dudes (y'all know the type) and a girl walked in. Words were exchanged but nothing physical. The Monger simply put his clothes back on and left wallet empty and dick in his hand. Is that what she meant about just joking around not causing any harm? The "my life was bad" and I'll never harm anyone" doesn't coincide. Not in our world. I can most definitely take a joke and I'll reciprocate the josh but that little stunt would never settle with me had I been in that situation. The infamous YT video may not show anyone getting robbed or being fucked with but it most definitely doesn't paint a pretty picture either. Shows what she and her cohorts are capable of. If I remember right, wasn't it titled "Fuck USASG" or something along that line?.I know the question has been asked if someone ever had a legit visit with M3 and I can say, yes! However, knowing her history, I would only do a car visit to get her from around her homeboys or DBs. We did go to some apartment buildings during the visit. I will say this, I donated 70 for a qv and it was not worth it. She did look a bit rough back then and the body was probably a 6 out of 10, roughly. This was probably 4 years or so ago. I said this to say that her asking prices have always been exorbitant. She wants at least $200 or so. Is she worth that? Back then she wasn't and I doubt she is now. Many of these girls hardly change from their previous MO. Yes, she has GPS puss, but hey, it's you guys shemoney, as Cardi B would say! Just my $0.02.

[ClitEastwoodJx]

Just a heads up. Mandy contacted admin for STG and explained how the video was a joke, you never see or hear any guy, and that all this on the boards is hearsay for the most part. She was in a bad place years back and was not doing anyone harm and would not. She DID admit to playing games but she states she never stole or robbed anyone.

So admin asked me if I was willing to meet with her and explain the rules going forward. Mandy and I met for lunch and she is the lady in the ad. She understands that if someone comes forward with legitimate proof she has wronged them, moving forward, she is gone forever no more chances. She also was accused of not being a real escort. Well we can put that to rest as well, not getting into details. She IS picky. She's actually smart, a smartass / joker type personality. So if you can't take a joke don't contact her. She will offend you and she doesn't care. Can not sit still, very energetic. Has the coolest Pitbull you will ever meet. So a lot of the hearsay is because she will not see everyone and she doesn't have too. Her phone went off more than a few times while I was with her. She was nice and turned the ringer off and even apologized.

If you are a clean professional and she is your type from what I just described then take your chances. I make no guarantees. Only that she does exist. If she wrongs anyone moving forward she understands she is done on STG.So the admin of a worldwide escort site asked you to meet with one of the thousands of escorts on the site, to explain the rules and give her a warning in person?

And Mandy voluntarily met with one of the thousands of guys from this site to get counseled on this, and most likely provided you with some kind of service to charm you; which it seems like she succeeded?! Amanda is good, but obviously she's REALLY good.

[ClitEastwoodJx]

Just a heads up. Mandy contacted admin for STG and explained how the video was a joke, you never see or hear any guy, and that all this on the boards is hearsay for the most part. She was in a bad place years back and was not doing anyone harm and would not. She DID admit to playing games but she states she never stole or robbed anyone.

So admin asked me if I was willing to meet with her and explain the rules going forward. Mandy and I met for lunch and she is the lady in the ad. She understands that if someone comes forward with legitimate proof she has wronged them, moving forward, she is gone forever no more chances. She also was accused of not being a real escort. Well we can put that to rest as well, not getting into details. She IS picky. She's actually smart, a smartass / joker type personality. So if you can't take a joke don't contact her. She will offend you and she doesn't care. Can not sit still, very energetic. Has the coolest Pitbull you will ever meet. So a lot of the hearsay is because she will not see everyone and she doesn't have too. Her phone went off more than a few times while I was with her. She was nice and turned the ringer off and even apologized.

If you are a clean professional and she is your type from what I just described then take your chances. I make no guarantees. Only that she does exist. If she wrongs anyone moving forward she understands she is done on STG.I'm sure Amanda was pissed from being blocked by you before and supposedly lost a lot of money. So you trusted her and risked being set up by her when she could have easily taken a quick photo of you, and posted it to blow your USAG cover and identity, and there would have been nothing you could do about it. She's got you all wrapped up. Sad.

[MyDarkSide]

Just a heads up. Mandy contacted admin for STG and explained how the video was a joke, you never see or hear any guy, and that all this on the boards is hearsay for the most part. She was in a bad place years back and was not doing anyone harm and would not. She DID admit to playing games but she states she never stole or robbed anyone.

So admin asked me if I was willing to meet with her and explain the rules going forward. Mandy and I met for lunch and she is the lady in the ad. She understands that if someone comes forward with legitimate proof she has wronged them, moving forward, she is gone forever no more chances. She also was accused of not being a real escort. Well we can put that to rest as well, not getting into details. She IS picky. She's actually smart, a smartass / joker type personality. So if you can't take a joke don't contact her. She will offend you and she doesn't care. Can not sit still, very energetic. Has the coolest Pitbull you will ever meet. So a lot of the hearsay is because she will not see everyone and she doesn't have too. Her phone went off more than a few times while I was with her. She was nice and turned the ringer off and even apologized.

If you are a clean professional and she is your type from what I just described then take your chances. I make no guarantees. Only that she does exist. If she wrongs anyone moving forward she understands she is done on STG.That is wild! Thanks. She's just an amusing, strong, street smart girl. Has anyone ever given a robbed story? Even the infamous vid was amusing LOL.

[SuperXY]

It's all good and all but what I would stay very leery of a Mandy Mandy Mandy visit. Sounds like you may have a cake and rainbow visit with her, but my guess is it's because you have the upper hand with her. Stroking the cock of the man who feeds her. Glad it went off without a hitch. I've actually talked to Mandy and she DOES sound pretty cool. But that's only the first layer of her personality.

A while back Mandy stated that she's turned a new leaf only to get another negative review shortly after. Was it the fault of the reviewer that things turned sour? Dunno. We will never know. But given the track record Mx3 has, I think I'd side with a fellow Monger.

Something you quoted (she said) doesn't sit well. Mandy claims "she was in a bad place years back and will never cause harm". I can't find the review (bcuz its so far back) but someone posted that during a visit, while in his birthday suit, 2 armed dudes (y'all know the type) and a girl walked in. Words were exchanged but nothing physical. The Monger simply put his clothes back on and left wallet empty and dick in his hand. Is that what she meant about just joking around not causing any harm? The "my life was bad" and I'll never harm anyone" doesn't coincide. Not in our world. I can most definitely take a joke and I'll reciprocate the josh but that little stunt would never settle with me had I been in that situation. The infamous YT video may not show anyone getting robbed or being fucked with but it most definitely doesn't paint a pretty picture either. Shows what she and her cohorts are capable of. If I remember right, wasn't it titled "Fuck USASG" or something along that line?.I'm not sure how to take Oshmalee reviews on M3. How does a provider even contact Admin. What proofs do we have that M3 didn't harm or robbed mongers, are we to just accept providers words trust that they are truthful. I would definitely thread lightly.

[PlayTiem]

I'm not sure how to take Oshmalee reviews on M3. How does a provider even contact Admin. What proofs do we have that M3 didn't harm or robbed mongers, are we to just accept providers words trust that they are truthful. I would definitely thread lightly.Why does anyone care? She's had one positive review in the last decade. She's garbage.

And I don't mean that in a "she's a sex worker, so she is inherently a bad person" way, I mean that in a "she's demonstrated herself to be a bad person" way, who will steal and use people in a sociopathic way.

[Johnny Shakes]

Why does anyone care? She's had one positive review in the last decade. She's garbage.

And I don't mean that in a "she's a sex worker, so she is inherently a bad person" way, I mean that in a "she's demonstrated herself to be a bad person" way, who will steal and use people in a sociopathic way.Yes Are you right Playtiem.

[BlazeAdams]

Just odd how such an active senior member would post this. Just seems like it could be a situation that he was compromised and is doing this. But I also don't want to speculate. I will say this. I may be a low volume poster on herebin the years I had the account but I have been in the hobby for 15 + years. I will always take the side of caution. If what he is saying is true it should not take to long to see the reviews come in. Even if someone ghosts her after an agreed on meeting then just sits back and watches the truth will surface. They always show there true.

Colors. I for 1 hope it is true. I would love to drop the hammer on her. But till I feel safe. Hard pass.

[Jringo2020]

Just odd how such an active senior member would post this. Just seems like it could be a situation that he was compromised and is doing this. But I also don't want to speculate. I will say this. I may be a low volume poster on herebin the years I had the account but I have been in the hobby for 15 + years. I will always take the side of caution. If what he is saying is true it should not take to long to see the reviews come in. Even if someone ghosts her after an agreed on meeting then just sits back and watches the truth will surface. They always show there true.

Colors. I for 1 hope it is true. I would love to drop the hammer on her. But till I feel safe. Hard pass.I have never had problems seeing her once I got through the barrier and BS. Once you have you are in and she is reliable but you can't be some douche bag and act like an ass though or talk crap. You play it cool and she will come around if you stick with it.

[TankerJo]

I'm not sure how to take Oshmalee reviews on M3. How does a provider even contact Admin. What proofs do we have that M3 didn't harm or robbed mongers, are we to just accept providers words trust that they are truthful. I would definitely thread lightly.Does something like this happen, or will an admin contact a provider in special circumstances on behalf of board / forum members?

[Red Talon]

I have never had problems seeing her once I got through the barrier and BS. Once you have you are in and she is reliable but you can't be some douche bag and act like an ass though or talk crap. You play it cool and she will come around if you stick with it.In December you posted she would be going to prison if she didn't change her ways. Talk about thinking with the wrong head.

I find it hilarious that the Jax scene is so bad a proven thieving skank would generate this much discussion and make guys reconsider her. Holy shit, take a deep breath and back away from this.

[Jringo2020]

In December you posted she would be going to prison if she didn't change her ways. Talk about thinking with the wrong head.

I find it hilarious that the Jax scene is so bad a proven thieving skank would generate this much discussion and make guys reconsider her. Holy shit, take a deep breath and back away from this.Oh I agree, it's a dumpster fire!

You got to play the game, and with her the rules always changing, since then I have.

Learned.

[MyDarkSide]

I'm not sure how to take Oshmalee reviews on M3. How does a provider even contact Admin.....STG contact info is on their page. My understanding is Oshmalee has connections with stg and was actively preventing m3 from the site. The two of them have a history. Still wild they met. I don't share the m3 hate; she is who she says she is; rather hot; does well. Virtually all these girls will take you for a ride if you let them.

[Oshmalee]

I was not compromised. Admin's policy is that if credible Senior members post someone is ripping people off and they provide evidence then that person is banned. The Escort gets to give their side as well. She actively contacted me after I posted she was banned and she gave a very good argument. But there was enough people saying she was a con artist and rip off so we told her she had to meet. I asked numerous times and no one ever said they had personal experience with her robbing or ripping them off. Everyone admitted it was hearsay. Now we even have people coming forward saying she has gone thru with dates just fine. The total opposite of the hearsay. But yet people want to question my motives. I question yours. If none of you ever met her then why bash her and now question me? I have no motive other than I know the Admin / Owner of STG. He said meet and verify, if and only if I felt safe and was okay with it. So I did. She was allowed back on. Now if she messes up in the future she will be treated just like any other. If there is proof. Not hearsay.

[Dan1978]

So the admin of a worldwide escort site asked you to meet with one of the thousands of escorts on the site, to explain the rules and give her a warning in person?

And Mandy voluntarily met with one of the thousands of guys from this site to get counseled on this, and most likely provided you with some kind of service to charm you; which it seems like she succeeded?! Amanda is good, but obviously she's REALLY good.Exactly. Way too far fetched. I tried once but I'm never trying her again, years ago, way before I heard of this site. I tried meeting her and a friend in green cove, turned into orange park McDonald's and they kept changing locations and acting fishy. Went with my spidey senses and avoided. I wish she would get some redeeming reviews because she's so hot that I still almost want to just take one for the team. Too bad because she could out earn a doctor if she was a legit provider (not saying either way). Anyway yeah seriously doubt in this underground game that a high level John and hooker met up for coffee to discuss ethics.

[ClitEastwoodJx]

I was not compromised. Admin's policy is that if credible Senior members post someone is ripping people off and they provide evidence then that person is banned. The Escort gets to give their side as well. She actively contacted me after I posted she was banned and she gave a very good argument. But there was enough people saying she was a con artist and rip off so we told her she had to meet. I asked numerous times and no one ever said they had personal experience with her robbing or ripping them off. Everyone admitted it was hearsay. Now we even have people coming forward saying she has gone thru with dates just fine. The total opposite of the hearsay. But yet people want to question my motives. I question yours. If none of you ever met her then why bash her and now question me? I have no motive other than I know the Admin / Owner of STG. He said meet and verify, if and only if I felt safe and was okay with it. So I did. She was allowed back on. Now if she messes up in the future she will be treated just like any other. If there is proof. Not hearsay.I call bullshit. You supposedly helped to protect mongers, but you're basically taking favors from KNOWN criminals who have been proven to steal, rob, and set up mongers. Besides what's reported here on the forum, anyone on here can look up public records of these girls that prove they are not to be trusted; even your new BFF Amanda.

You supposedly have some special connection to STG, but you're allowing providers that have robbed us to have ads up again. You've went to the dark side and are now doing it for the nookie! I'm going to make me a "friend" at STG! LOL.

[Oshmalee]

So the clown that has been called out now speaks out. Call BS all you want. Go look at all my my posts and see who I have had banned. You're a low life POS. Get a life. I made that post today waiting for you specifically to respond. You've been called out before for being a liar. Buy more videos looser.


I call bullshit. You supposedly helped to protect mongers, but you're basically taking favors from KNOWN criminals who have been proven to steal, rob, and set up mongers. Besides what's reported here on the forum, anyone on here can look up public records of these girls that prove they are not to be trusted; even your new BFF Amanda.

You supposedly have some special connection to STG, but you're allowing providers that have robbed us to have ads up again. You've went to the dark side and are now doing it for the nookie! I'm going to make me a "friend" at STG! LOL.

[Red Talon]

So the clown that has been called out now speaks out. Call BS all you want. Go look at all my my posts and see who I have had banned. You're a low life POS. Get a life. I made that post today waiting for you specifically to respond. You've been called out before for being a liar. Buy more videos looser.You could have let this die but you proceed to throw gas on the dumpster fire you started. Not sure what exactly your end game is, but people just aren't going to believe you. You're just white knighting a thief. The first person she burns, which she will. You will have absolute zero credibility going forward. You should have just let it go.

[Travellar]

I asked numerous times and no one ever said they had personal experience with her robbing or ripping them off. Everyone admitted it was hearsay. Now we even have people coming forward saying she has gone thru with dates just fine. The total opposite of the hearsay. But yet people want to question my motives. I question yours. If none of you ever met her then why bash her and now question me? I have no motive other than I know the Admin / Owner of STG. He said meet and verify, if and only if I felt safe and was okay with it. So I did. She was allowed back on. Now if she messes up in the future she will be treated just like any other. If there is proof. Not hearsay.I am late to the party, but here is the thing. She tried to rob ME! It was years ago before the slew of bad reviews. She was staying at one of the motels off university and cagel rd with another blond provider (can't remember her name) and their Pitbull. We set up the meet and I was suppose to see her, when I arrived, she had the other girl come out of bathroom with a pitbul and surprise me. With donation in hand, I have a Pitbull and 2 fully dressed women standing at the doorway yelling about who is going to F**K me and for how much. Just as I am about to leave, Mandy tries to grab cash from my hand and why I put it in my pocket, she and the other girl block the hallway, one armed with a screwdriver the other holding a spiked leach of the pitbull in one hand and the pitbull on the chain leach in the other. As I made my way toward Mandy to get to the stairs and exit, she keeps backing up and now screaming that I attached her and she needs help. I through the bills from my pocket on the floor and over the rail and as they scream about "losing money" and me being a "f**K" for throwing "their money", I leave.

So here you go, a first hand experience. hope you are satisfied?

[Travellar]

She tried to rob ME! She didn't get all the donation, but she got a big chunk of it.

[Rick Dugan]

So admin asked me if I was willing to meet with her and explain the rules going forward. Mandy and I met for lunch and she is the lady in the ad. She understands that if someone comes forward with legitimate proof she has wronged them, moving forward, she is gone forever no more chances. She also was accused of not being a real escort. Well we can put that to rest as well, not getting into details. She IS picky. She's actually smart, a smartass / joker type personality. So if you can't take a joke don't contact her. She will offend you and she doesn't care. Can not sit still, very energetic. Has the coolest Pitbull you will ever meet. So a lot of the hearsay is because she will not see everyone and she doesn't have too. Her phone went off more than a few times while I was with her. She was nice and turned the ringer off and even apologized.

If you are a clean professional and she is your type from what I just described then take your chances. I make no guarantees. Only that she does exist. If she wrongs anyone moving forward she understands she is done on STG.For starters, let's be clear. I've been on this site for several years and, back when those reports were coming in, they were firsthand accounts told by the people who experienced them. It seems that we can only go back for a limited distance on the search function, but I remember the gist of the posts. Theft, including grab and dash, and other unfortunate behaviors were not uncommon. Her pics looked great back then, so she had a steady supply of guys to pull this stuff on for a long time. IME guys on this site are not prone to avoiding hot ass based solely on speculative rumors. If anything, she got the benefit of the doubt for quite some time until it became so widely reported that guys learned to avoid her.

But with that said, do we condemn her to purgatory forever just because she made some mistakes? Can't anyone turn over a new leaf? It would hardly be the first time a girl started out by running games, but eventually re-invented herself. It doesn't help that many of these girls come from fucked up backgrounds and often start out in a bad place. I'm not ready to condemn her or anyone else forever for the sins of her youth.

[PlayTiem]

Just a heads up. Mandy contacted admin for STG and explained how the video was a joke, you never see or hear any guy, and that all this on the boards is hearsay for the most part. She was in a bad place years back and was not doing anyone harm and would not. She DID admit to playing games but she states she never stole or robbed anyone."for the most part"?

What does that mean?

[Red Talon]

For starters, let's be clear. I've been on this site for several years and, back when those reports were coming in, they were firsthand accounts told by the people who experienced them. It seems that we can only go back for a limited distance on the search function, but I remember the gist of the posts. Theft, including grab and dash, and other unfortunate behaviors were not uncommon. Her pics looked great back then, so she had a steady supply of guys to pull this stuff on for a long time. IME guys on this site are not prone to avoiding hot ass based solely on speculative rumors. If anything, she got the benefit of the doubt for quite some time until it became so widely reported that guys learned to avoid her.

But with that said, do we condemn her to purgatory forever just because she made some mistakes? Can't anyone turn over a new leaf? It would hardly be the first time a girl started out by running games, but eventually re-invented herself. It doesn't help that many of these girls come from fucked up backgrounds and often start out in a bad place. I'm not ready to condemn her or anyone else forever for the sins of her youth.She can be your regular thing, report back to all of the guys she's fucked over in the past how it works out for you. Most guys would prefer to be safe and drama free, things this skank is not. If your only choice is to see her, you need to really evaluate getting out.

[Panamaa6542]

She can be your regular thing, report back to all of the guys she's fucked over in the past how it works out for you. Most guys would prefer to be safe and drama free, things this skank is not. If your only choice is to see her, you need to really evaluate getting out.I've been mongering in Jacksonville for many years. I prefer the clubs but mongering is mongering. The one thing I've learned is this. A chick that generates this much discussion is ether with the price of admission or definitely one to stay away from. Mandy sounds like the latter. Where there's smell, there is usually shit. Just saying, carry on.

[AMnnos]

I am late to the party, but here is the thing. She tried to rob ME! It was years ago before the slew of bad reviews. She was staying at one of the motels off university and cagel rd with another blond provider (can't remember her name) and their Pitbull. We set up the meet and I was suppose to see her, when I arrived, she had the other girl come out of bathroom with a pitbul and surprise me. With donation in hand, I have a Pitbull and 2 fully dressed women standing at the doorway yelling about who is going to F**K me and for how much. Just as I am about to leave, Mandy tries to grab cash from my hand and why I put it in my pocket, she and the other girl block the hallway, one armed with a screwdriver the other holding a spiked leach of the pitbull in one hand and the pitbull on the chain leach in the other. As I made my way toward Mandy to get to the stairs and exit, she keeps backing up and now screaming that I attached her and she needs help. I through the bills from my pocket on the floor and over the rail and as they scream about "losing money" and me being a "f**K" for throwing "their money", I leave.

So here you go, a first hand experience. hope you are satisfied?Your bad first hand experience is all just hearsay. Unless you have some irrefutable proof that you can magically produce & submit to the board to back your claim, then you lying.

HA! Just kidding.

[YungC]

Firstly. Thanks to all members who helped me with their inputs and suggestions!

Stopped by the one at HH yesterday but the lot already had 2 cars. Thought of checking out My Favor and even that was busy. Swinging by on a weekend was surely a mistake. So, finished some local errands in the area and headed out again to HH and the lot was luckily empty.

Parked and rang the doorbell but to my surprise, no one opened the door. I waited for a minute and rang the doorbell again a couple of times. Again waited for a couple of minutes, still no one answered and so got into my car and was about to leave the lot when I saw one of you mongers swinging in. I thought to wait in my car and check if the same happens to him but to my surprise, the door was opened when he rang the bell and he got in. Damn, you lucky monger! Been to so many places until now and it has never happened to me like this. Was just wondering if its maybe because I was wearing a mask and they couldn't see my face clearly through the camera but again I wear my mask everywhere.

Just FYI, the parking lot is open and facing the road, so if any of you are nervous / embarrassed about having to stand outside and wait, you might have to rethink. Anyway, I was not interested in getting in there again when I knew one of you is already in there.

Went to Favor again and there was another car in the lot. I decided to give up my waiting game and went in. Was greeted by a late 30/40 year old small woman with small tatas (maybe A cups) and led into the room. I'm basically a boobs guy and love it when they are natural and at least big enough to hold them in the hands. So, wasn't too interested but its been that sort of a day for me, so I decided to take the plunge anyway. Chose half hour, no TS was offered. A little massage for 10 minutes and she kept kissing me in the cheeks and back. On the flip, opted for L1 finish. Tops came off and roaming was allowed. At least it was good and not mechanical. Standard house fee + L1 tips.

Might try again sometime to see if I have better luck.
And if I'm not asking too much, would appreciate if I can get some help on where to find girls with natural decent sized boobs, so that I can have some fun at least next time and not get disappointed after going to the spot. PM is fine as well.

Stay safe! Happy Hunting!They were probably laughing at you on the camera wearing a mask in 2022.

[SSideJohnny]

They were probably laughing at you on the camera wearing a mask in 2022.Masks don't work, even says it on the box "DOESN'T PREVENT VIRUSES" You need an hazmat suit with oxygen. Find a smoker have him put it on and inhale through and blow. Virus particle are so small they pass right through and you are depriving yourself of oxygen. They don't call it your regular daily PROGRAMMING for nothing. .

[PlayTiem]

Masks don't work, even says it on the box "DOESN'T PREVENT VIRUSES" You need an hazmat suit with oxygen. Find a smoker have him put it on and inhale through and blow. Virus particle are so small they pass right through and you are depriving yourself of oxygen. They don't call it your regular daily PROGRAMMING for nothing. .Mhm. Because the virus travels alone, not in a big glob of shit coughed out of someone's lungs. Which is actually large enough to be caught by a mask.

Nobody thinks the masks are refined enough to catch viruses. Well, I suppose some people do, but they're as wrong as the people who think that think that surgeons wearing masks are going to pass out mid-surgery due to lack of oxygen.

[SSideJohnny]

Mhm. Because the virus travels alone, not in a big glob of shit coughed out of someone's lungs. Which is actually large enough to be caught by a mask.

Nobody thinks the masks are refined enough to catch viruses. Well, I suppose some people do, but they're as wrong as the people who think that think that surgeons wearing masks are going to pass out mid-surgery due to lack of oxygen.Surgeons wear precisely so they do not drip saliva or sneeze or cough so bacteria wouldn't get into an OPEN part of the body. And they don't wear them all day, Just during surgery. Don't take my word for it SIMPLY READ THE BOX. Don't blindly BELIEVE what the TV tells you. Do your own research.

Viruses are AIRBORNE.

[Red Talon]

Surgeons wear precisely so they do not drip saliva or sneeze or cough so bacteria wouldn't get into an OPEN part of the body. And they don't wear them all day, Just during surgery. Don't take my word for it SIMPLY READ THE BOX. Don't blindly BELIEVE what the TV tells you. Do your own research.

Viruses are AIRBORNE.Don't viruses need a medium to travel through the air? I'm probably wrong but do viruses just float through the air? I'm definitely anti-mask because everyone will eventually get COVID but now I'm wondering. Food for thought?

[Kma2016]

Don't viruses need a medium to travel through the air? I'm probably wrong but do viruses just float through the air? I'm definitely anti-mask because everyone will eventually get COVID but now I'm wondering. Food for thought?I agree eventually everyone will get COVID no matter what. The masks and other measures were trying to slow it down enough so the medical folks didn't get overwhelmed and to hopefully get some preventative measures in place like the vaccine. Wearing masks and distancing were half measures at best and did as much harm as good.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I think we didn't handle the situation well overall. I do think something truly serious will hit at some point though and we won't deal with it well either.

[SSideJohnny]

Don't viruses need a medium to travel through the air? I'm probably wrong but do viruses just float through the air? I'm definitely anti-mask because everyone will eventually get COVID but now I'm wondering. Food for thought?They are so small they travel right through any mask. You can't contain them no best thing is to get out in the SUN and warmth is what kills it. There are clinical trials that prove all of this, it's already coming out, and doctors are standing up to this NARRATIVE. Think of the past, how did you handle when viruses or FLU season occurred?

Problem is everyone wants the data given to them quickly so they can get on with their lives. Our body is built to fight them off and build up antibodies on their own. Just as we have all done in the past over and over, how quickly we all forget. When that TV is plugged in.There is no proven studies that anything we did could have prevented a thing, except put people out of work. During the time there were ZERO flu deaths, all labeled as COVID, guess what Covid is? FLU, typically 200K per year die of the flue BECAUSE OF UNDERLYING conditions. Not the flu itself, it was just the catalyst that put them over the top.

[TopJimmie]

They are so small they travel right through any mask. You can't contain them no best thing is to get out in the SUN and warmth is what kills it. There are clinical trials that prove all of this, it's already coming out, and doctors are standing up to this NARRATIVE. Think of the past, how did you handle when viruses or FLU season occurred?

Problem is everyone wants the data given to them quickly so they can get on with their lives. Our body is built to fight them off and build up antibodies on their own. Just as we have all done in the past over and over, how quickly we all forget. When that TV is plugged in.There is no proven studies that anything we did could have prevented a thing, except put people out of work. During the time there were ZERO flu deaths, all labeled as COVID, guess what Covid is? FLU, typically 200K per year die of the flue BECAUSE OF UNDERLYING conditions. Not the flu itself, it was just the catalyst that put them over the top.Where is this massage provider located?

Or have I lost the plot? Am I on the wrong thread for massage provider reviews?

[Member #6475]

I stopped arguing about Covid a year ago. Can the admins clean up the thread so we can talk massages again? Sheesh.


They are so small they travel right through any mask. You can't contain them no best thing is to get out in the SUN and warmth is what kills it. There are clinical trials that prove all of this, it's already coming out, and doctors are standing up to this NARRATIVE. Think of the past, how did you handle when viruses or FLU season occurred?

Problem is everyone wants the data given to them quickly so they can get on with their lives. Our body is built to fight them off and build up antibodies on their own. Just as we have all done in the past over and over, how quickly we all forget. When that TV is plugged in.There is no proven studies that anything we did could have prevented a thing, except put people out of work. During the time there were ZERO flu deaths, all labeled as COVID, guess what Covid is? FLU, typically 200K per year die of the flue BECAUSE OF UNDERLYING conditions. Not the flu itself, it was just the catalyst that put them over the top.

[PlayTiem]

I agree eventually everyone will get COVID no matter what. The masks and other measures were trying to slow it down enough so the medical folks didn't get overwhelmed and to hopefully get some preventative measures in place like the vaccine. Wearing masks and distancing were half measures at best and did as much harm as good.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I think we didn't handle the situation well overall. I do think something truly serious will hit at some point though and we won't deal with it well either.I don't KNOW why you might want to THINK about things when I know WHAT "I'm" talking about and don't sound AT ALL like one of those commercials from the 1950's with RANDOM capitalization and quotation marks. Except I'm a fucktard posting on the "INTARWEBS. ".

And, yes, masking was partially to slow down stacking corpses outside of morgues. Florida currently is still in the top 3 states for recent Covid deaths, though, with about, what 80,000 deaths to date total?

On topic, I've not fucked an asian lady for far too long. What's your favorite AMP?

[WhoCares98]

I don't KNOW why you might want to THINK about things when I know WHAT "I'm" talking about and don't sound AT ALL like one of those commercials from the 1950's with RANDOM capitalization and quotation marks. Except I'm a fucktard posting on the "INTARWEBS. ".

And, yes, masking was partially to slow down stacking corpses outside of morgues. Florida currently is still in the top 3 states for recent Covid deaths, though, with about, what 80,000 deaths to date total?

On topic, I've not fucked an asian lady for far too long. What's your favorite AMP?Each of you should read two books, "The Real Dr Fauci" by Robert Kennedy jr and "Silent Invasion" by Deborah Birx and you will get a good, documented picture of the poor quality of doctors we have in Government. Most of what they told us was happening and what we needed to do was pure BS. In fact, they knew the vaccine would not work they just hoped it might slow the spread. They lied to us and are still lying to us. Both Trump and Biden were not told the truth. Read the books, they clear up all the less than accurate stuff we have been mandated to do in the last two years. It was all about control, had nothing to do with medicine.

[NbWill]

I don't KNOW why you might want to THINK about things when I know WHAT "I'm" talking about and don't sound AT ALL like one of those commercials from the 1950's with RANDOM capitalization and quotation marks. Except I'm a fucktard posting on the "INTARWEBS. ".

And, yes, masking was partially to slow down stacking corpses outside of morgues. Florida currently is still in the top 3 states for recent Covid deaths, though, with about, what 80,000 deaths to date total?

On topic, I've not fucked an asian lady for far too long. What's your favorite AMP?In Florida we had 80,000 deaths of 7,100,000 infections. That is a death rate of 0. 01% among those that were infected with COVID.

We are the third state in deaths, we are also the third most populated state.

The question I would love to get an answer is: how many people died with covid vs. How many people died of covid?

BTW the 0. 01% death rate among infected. Is very consistent across all states, even worldwide.

Worldwide cases: about 606 M. Worldwide deaths: about 6. 5 M.

We shot down the world for a sickness that has a survival rate of 99.99% if contracted.

Make your own conclusions.

[DllsCwby]

People like to be controlled and give the govt power. Name a study that proves masks help if worn properly and around people. There isn't one. We should be more concerned about candy from Mexico killing young people like crazy but the dems want more illegals voting to keep them in power these are the same people who say men can get pregnant. Covid is endemic govt ruined people businesses and fucked up children.


In Florida we had 80,000 deaths of 7,100,000 infections. That is a death rate of 0. 01% among those that were infected with COVID.

We are the third state in deaths, we are also the third most populated state.

The question I would love to get an answer is: how many people died with covid vs. How many people died of covid?

BTW the 0. 01% death rate among infected. Is very consistent across all states, even worldwide.

Worldwide cases: about 606 M. Worldwide deaths: about 6. 5 M.

We shot down the world for a sickness that has a survival rate of 99.99% if contracted.

Make your own conclusions.

[NbWill]

Name a study that proves masks help if worn properly and around people. There isn't one.Actually, there was one. Done by the CDC themselves. Since the results were not quite what they were expecting, they twisted the figures to make it look good. After that, nothing more. Wonder why.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

"Wearing an N95/ KN95 respirator (aOR = 0. 17; 95% CI = 0. 050. 64) or wearing a surgical mask (aOR = 0. 34; 95% CI = 0. 13*0. 90) was associated with lower adjusted odds of a positive test result compared with not wearing a mask (Table 3). Wearing a cloth mask (aOR = 0. 44; 95% CI = 0. 171. 17) was associated with lower adjusted odds of a positive test compared with never wearing a face covering but was not statistically significant. ".

The CDC study found that masks decrease, at best, 2% the rate of infection. And that with a N95 mask. Cloth is like wearing nothing. Granted, that's not necessarily a bad thing but from that to where we went.

And, to add insult to injury, California and NY, the states with the strongest mask mandates have the same rate of deaths as FL, with a very limited mask mandate.

[PervNerd48]

Actually, there was one. Done by the CDC themselves. Since the results were not quite what they were expecting, they twisted the figures to make it look good. After that, nothing more. Wonder why.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

"Wearing an N95/ KN95 respirator (aOR = 0. 17; 95% CI = 0. 050. 64) or wearing a surgical mask (aOR = 0. 34; 95% CI = 0. 13*0. 90) was associated with lower adjusted odds of a positive test result compared with not wearing a mask (Table 3). Wearing a cloth mask (aOR = 0. 44; 95% CI = 0. 171. 17) was associated with lower adjusted odds of a positive test compared with never wearing a face covering but was not statistically significant. ".

The CDC study found that masks decrease, at best, 2% the rate of infection. And that with a N95 mask. Cloth is like wearing nothing. Granted, that's not necessarily a bad thing but from that to where we went.

And, to add insult to injury, California and NY, the states with the strongest mask mandates have the same rate of deaths as FL, with a very limited mask mandate.On February 11,2022, the CDC released this study about masks with the following summary:

"Face masks or respirators (N95/ KN95's) effectively filter virus-sized particles in laboratory settings. \.

"Consistent use of a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was associated with lower odds of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result (adjusted odds ratio = 0. 44). Use of respirators with higher filtration capacity was associated with the most protection, compared with no mask use.

"What are the implications for public health practice?

"In addition to being up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations, consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection; a respirator offers the best protection. ".

Here's the study.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Also, your statement that Florida had comparable rates to California just doesn't match the data.

From https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html.

If you look, while Florida and California had similar infection rates (Florida at 20 per 100 K residents; California at 19), Florida is nearly twice at high in hospitalization rates (14 per 100 K residents while California is at 8). And Florida's death rate is more than twice as high per capita- 0. 23 vs 0. 10.

New York's hospitalization number nearly matches Florida, but the death rate is also lower than Florida.

Bottom line, masks and vaccines work. And I suspect we'll have better results with the new round of variant-specific boosters.

[SSideJohnny]

On February 11,2022, the CDC released this study about masks with the following summary:

"Face masks or respirators (N95/ KN95's) effectively filter virus-sized particles in laboratory settings. \.

"Consistent use of a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was associated with lower odds of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result (adjusted odds ratio = 0. 44). Use of respirators with higher filtration capacity was associated with the most protection, compared with no mask use.

"What are the implications for public health practice?

"In addition to being up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations, consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection; a respirator offers the best protection. ".

Here's the study.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Also, your statement that Florida had comparable rates to California just doesn't match the data.

From https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html.

If you look, while Florida and California had similar infection rates (Florida at 20 per 100 K residents; California at 19), Florida is nearly twice at high in hospitalization rates (14 per 100 K residents while California is at 8). And Florida's death rate is more than twice as high per capita- 0. 23 vs 0. 10.

New York's hospitalization number nearly matches Florida, but the death rate is also lower than Florida.

Bottom line, masks and vaccines work. And I suspect we'll have better results with the new round of variant-specific boosters.Masks don't work and why has Biden who was triple vaxed still get covid? Thanks for posting a bunch of propaganda, everyone knows the CDC is compromised, and the NYTimes is also propaganda. Sorry you can wear your face diaper all you want, READ THE BOX it says it right on it, doesn't prevent the spread of covid. Like all viruses the must run their course. I still can't believe some people are still so programmed. Its really sad. WAKE UP! There are hundrreds of PIER REVIEWED studies that PROVE masks do not work. The LEFT is so delusional.

[NbWill]

On February 11,2022, the CDC released this study about masks with the following summary:

"Face masks or respirators (N95/ KN95's) effectively filter virus-sized particles in laboratory settings. \.

"Consistent use of a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was associated with lower odds of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result (adjusted odds ratio = 0. 44). Use of respirators with higher filtration capacity was associated with the most protection, compared with no mask use.

"What are the implications for public health practice?

"In addition to being up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations, consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection; a respirator offers the best protection. ".

Here's the study.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Also, your statement that Florida had comparable rates to California just doesn't match the data.

From https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html.

If you look, while Florida and California had similar infection rates (Florida at 20 per 100 K residents; California at 19), Florida is nearly twice at high in hospitalization rates (14 per 100 K residents while California is at 8). And Florida's death rate is more than twice as high per capita- 0. 23 vs 0. 10.

New York's hospitalization number nearly matches Florida, but the death rate is also lower than Florida.

Bottom line, masks and vaccines work. And I suspect we'll have better results with the new round of variant-specific boosters.My friend,

You are obviously been brain washed.

The odds lowered by wearing N95 masks is 2% as per CDC. Is it lower? Yes. Is it significant? No. Is it worth it the collateral damage? No.

Not sure where you get your data. Mine come from this:

https://www.bing.com/covid/local/unitedstates

If you look at the most reliable source, Johns Hopkins Hospital, the numbers are the same.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed cases worldwide.

607,362,097.

Fatal cases.

6,510,110.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

US.

Total cases.

95,224,801.

Fatal cases.

1,050,290.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

Florida.

Total cases.

7,066,234.

Fatal.

80,386.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

New York.

Total cases.

6,009,470.

Fatal.

73,818.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

California.

Total cases.

11,163,758.

Fatal.

95,407.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

Everything rounded to the 100th.

Now, you can twist numbers every other way but those are simple, effective numbers that tell the truth.

Not sure what else can be said.

[Red Talon]

My friend,

You are obviously been brain washed.

The odds lowered by wearing N95 masks is 2% as per CDC. Is it lower? Yes. Is it significant? No. Is it worth it the collateral damage? No.

Not sure where you get your data. Mine come from this:

https://www.bing.com/covid/local/unitedstates

If you look at the most reliable source, Johns Hopkins Hospital, the numbers are the same.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed cases worldwide.

607,362,097.

Fatal cases.

6,510,110.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

US.

Total cases.

95,224,801.

Fatal cases.

1,050,290.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

Florida.

Total cases.

7,066,234.

Fatal.

80,386.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

New York.

Total cases.

6,009,470.

Fatal.

73,818.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

California.

Total cases.

11,163,758.

Fatal.

95,407.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

Everything rounded to the 100th.

Now, you can twist numbers every other way but those are simple, effective numbers that tell the truth.

Not sure what else can be said.You can present all of the facts and data you want to that masks don't work but the kool aid drinkers won't listen. It's not worth the effort. Remember when the government recommended cloth masks? That should answer all questions.

[NbWill]

You can present all of the facts and data you want to that masks don't work but the kool aid drinkers won't listen. It's not worth the effort. Remember when the government recommended cloth masks? That should answer all questions.You are partially true, my friend.

Indeed, the kool aid drinkers will not listen, regardless of data and facts. We have seen that over and over. However, I believe it is important to present facts and data so those that did not drink enough kool aid, or those that have not drank it yet but are on the verge don't drink it.

Biggest problem is to be defeated in the war of words.

[PervNerd48]

My friend,

You are obviously been brain washed.

The odds lowered by wearing N95 masks is 2% as per CDC. Is it lower? Yes. Is it significant? No. Is it worth it the collateral damage? No.

Not sure where you get your data. Mine come from this:

https://www.bing.com/covid/local/unitedstates

If you look at the most reliable source, Johns Hopkins Hospital, the numbers are the same.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed cases worldwide.

607,362,097.

Fatal cases.

6,510,110.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

US.

Total cases.

95,224,801.

Fatal cases.

1,050,290.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

Florida.

Total cases.

7,066,234.

Fatal.

80,386.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

New York.

Total cases.

6,009,470.

Fatal.

73,818.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

California.

Total cases.

11,163,758.

Fatal.

95,407.

Death rate of infected: 0. 01%.

Everything rounded to the 100th.

Now, you can twist numbers every other way but those are simple, effective numbers that tell the truth.

Not sure what else can be said.Dude, I gave you the sources in my post. So, you know, you may not like the conclusions, but I didn't twist numbers. I quoted them.

But you do you.

[Gene485]

On February 11,2022, the CDC released this study about masks with the following summary:

"Face masks or respirators (N95/ KN95's) effectively filter virus-sized particles in laboratory settings. \.

"Consistent use of a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was associated with lower odds of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result (adjusted odds ratio = 0. 44). Use of respirators with higher filtration capacity was associated with the most protection, compared with no mask use.

"What are the implications for public health practice?

"In addition to being up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations, consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection; a respirator offers the best protection. ".

Here's the study.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Also, your statement that Florida had comparable rates to California just doesn't match the data.

From https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html.

If you look, while Florida and California had similar infection rates (Florida at 20 per 100 K residents; California at 19), Florida is nearly twice at high in hospitalization rates (14 per 100 K residents while California is at 8). And Florida's death rate is more than twice as high per capita- 0. 23 vs 0. 10.

New York's hospitalization number nearly matches Florida, but the death rate is also lower than Florida.

Bottom line, masks and vaccines work. And I suspect we'll have better results with the new round of variant-specific boosters.I think you will find from the earliest statements by Fauci, and the CdC the masks were never meant to protect You, they were meant to protect others from You. But whatever, if it makes you feel better wear one some people look much better in masks.

[NbWill]

Dude, I gave you the sources in my post. So, you know, you may not like the conclusions, but I didn't twist numbers. I quoted them.

But you do you.Dude, you can lead a dude to water, but you cannot make him drink. He is already full of kool aid. LOL.

[PlayTiem]

Masks don't work and why has Biden who was triple vaxed still get covid? Thanks for posting a bunch of propaganda, everyone knows the CDC is compromised, and the NYTimes is also propaganda. Sorry you can wear your face diaper all you want, READ THE BOX it says it right on it, doesn't prevent the spread of covid. Like all viruses the must run their course. I still can't believe some people are still so programmed. Its really sad. WAKE UP! There are hundrreds of PIER REVIEWED studies that PROVE masks do not work. The LEFT is so delusional.I would LOVE to have a review at a PIER.

You know, where people go fishing.

"hundrreds" OF TIMES.

When you can't even spell or put together a sentence, it's difficult to take anything you have to say seriously. Seriously.

Also, why do you people RANDOMLY capitalize words?

It makes you SEEM like you will YELL in the the middle of a conversation FOR no DISCERNABLE reason!

[SSideJohnny]

I would LOVE to have a review at a PIER.

You know, where people go fishing.

"hundrreds" OF TIMES.

When you can't even spell or put together a sentence, it's difficult to take anything you have to say seriously. Seriously.

Also, why do you people RANDOMLY capitalize words?

It makes you SEEM like you will YELL in the the middle of a conversation FOR no DISCERNABLE reason!Wow that's the best you got? Peer vs Pier? I think you should keep wearing your face diaper, no one what's to hear what someone who obviously still is programmed has to say. Maybe the caps are there to attempt to wake up the programmed lemmings that only believe what they hear on the T.V. News flash dude, you spelled "Discernible" wrong, guess you have no credibility then right? ;-)

You would think yelling would be with an "!", or all caps the entire sentence, who just yells one word of a sentence? Oh no that last sentence was too short, or possibly a run on, you may not understand the point. I love in message forums when the push back is a one word grammar oversight or a typo. Talk about weak! As it turns out, the proof is out there sorry you chose to look away, not my problem. I know it's tough man social dissidence can suck doesn't it? What sentence was incorrect and you couldn't understand? When the best response you have is I didn't form a complete complex sentence and you are worried about grammar, your response SEEMS WEAK at best. ;-)

[Cannon Fodder]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2022/09/10/sex-trafficking-sting-nabs-160-deputy-police-chief-jason-diprima/amp/

Operation Fall Haul II" also led to the arrest of two Disney employees, a state corrections officer, several teachers and ex-Officer DiPrima.

Sheriff Judd told reporters that DiPrima, deputy police chief of Georgia's Cartersville Police Department, is "no longer a police officer. ".

[Red Talon]

Wow that's the best you got? Peer vs Pier? I think you should keep wearing your face diaper, no one what's to hear what someone who obviously still is programmed has to say. Maybe the caps are there to attempt to wake up the programmed lemmings that only believe what they hear on the T.V. News flash dude, you spelled "Discernible" wrong, guess you have no credibility then right? ;-)

You would think yelling would be with an "!", or all caps the entire sentence, who just yells one word of a sentence? Oh no that last sentence was too short, or possibly a run on, you may not understand the point. I love in message forums when the push back is a one word grammar oversight or a typo. Talk about weak! As it turns out, the proof is out there sorry you chose to look away, not my problem. I know it's tough man social dissidence can suck doesn't it? What sentence was incorrect and you couldn't understand? When the best response you have is I didn't form a complete complex sentence and you are worried about grammar, your response SEEMS WEAK at best. ;-)If you are going to play "grammar cop" then proofread your own shit. F'ing dumbass.

[SSideJohnny]

If you are going to play "grammar cop" then proofread your own shit. F'ing dumbass.Then they call you names.

Then you win.

Checkmate.

[Red Talon]

Then they call you names.

Then you win.

Checkmate.You just proved my point, thanks!

[SSideJohnny]

You just proved my point, thanks! You can pretend all you want. I have a nice participation trophy for you though. You think you looked good just resorting to name calling? LOL Keep digging your hole.

[PlayTiem]

You can pretend all you want. I have a nice participation trophy for you though. You think you looked good just resorting to name calling? LOL Keep digging your hole.I'm sorry, child. We're all just laughing at you. I tried to help you a little bit, but you don't seem to want any, so please just stop posting. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say, and you just continue to embarrass yourself.

If you would, perhaps, ask for help, someone might extend some to you. Then we might stop laughing, and concern ourselves with your well being.

[SSideJohnny]

I'm sorry, child. We're all just laughing at you. I tried to help you a little bit, but you don't seem to want any, so please just stop posting. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say, and you just continue to embarrass yourself.

If you would, perhaps, ask for help, someone might extend some to you. Then we might stop laughing, and concern ourselves with your well being.Talk about delusional, you resort to name calling because you are ignorant to reality. You still wearing your face diaper? I don't need any help, I'm informed. Only one looking butt hurt is you bro. Or haven't you been following along? You need that last word is that it? Try another name calling post. It really hurts. (rolleyes) LOL.

[ToeLover]

I stay away from political arguments on this site because I'm here to talk about sex acts with women. However, I applaud you and couldn't like this post more if I tried. People don't seem to understand the virus gets in through your eyes and whatever is on your hands (that you touch your mask with). Saw one of the braindead. Errr, sorry, brainwashed women at the gym today with her mask on under her chin. Yeah, fucking morons walk among us.


Masks don't work and why has Biden who was triple vaxed still get covid? Thanks for posting a bunch of propaganda, everyone knows the CDC is compromised, and the NYTimes is also propaganda. Sorry you can wear your face diaper all you want, READ THE BOX it says it right on it, doesn't prevent the spread of covid. Like all viruses the must run their course. I still can't believe some people are still so programmed. Its really sad. WAKE UP! There are hundrreds of PIER REVIEWED studies that PROVE masks do not work. The LEFT is so delusional.

[BlazeAdams]

So people here actually fuck prostitutes but wear a mask because they are scared to catch covid. LOL this funny as fuck. The prostitute you are sticking likely has had or actually has a more dangerous virus. But yet your still here on a discussion board about finding hookers.

One question do you make sure their vaccinations are current and are dbl masked upon your visit?

I bet a liberal ***** house would look like something off of a B-rated sci-fi.

[SSideJohnny]

I stay away from political arguments on this site because I'm here to talk about sex acts with women. However, I applaud you and couldn't like this post more if I tried. People don't seem to understand the virus gets in through your eyes and whatever is on your hands (that you touch your mask with). Saw one of the braindead. Errr, sorry, brainwashed women at the gym today with her mask on under her chin. Yeah, fucking morons walk among us.Most people steer away especially in the past because fear of crazy backlash from the programmed people, but it's time the lions wake up the sheep. 5-10 percent of the population is lost forever so they say, but we are actually trying to help people use common sense. It's like anything propaganda is all shinny and new at first, but truth will always win out. And that's what they do they politicize everything right? Why would mask wearing and vaccines be political in any way. But they are, hence people who don't want trouble just keep it to themselves, but see that's where they don't get it. More people know and are aware but they just keep quiet because they don't want trouble from the radical brain washed. But time to stand tall in your beliefs and RIGHTS. It's no different than trying to take our guns right? Texas has the least crime, and everyone is carrying. I wonder why there is no crime? Yeah, you try to rob someone you about to get shot!

It's really simple actually "I do not comply" and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The bottom line is do your own research don't just blindly listen to the TELL-A-VISION, and your regular daily PROGRAMMING. That statement is for the normies still amongst us. We as a whole need to step up and come together because when we do. It's game over for the few who try to control us.

You nailed it with the Viruses though, they pass right through the mask, it was basically an experiment to see who would comply, and as a whole we failed that test, most just went along with it, I never wore one, except when I visited someone in the hospital, even when the store workers would say something at the beginning of this mess, I was like sorry no, medically I can't and it's a HIPPA violation for you to ask me, or to not serve me it' up to 100,000 fine. So well guess what, I was left alone. Stand up for your rights people, or you'll lose them.

[SSideJohnny]

So people here actually fuck prostitutes but wear a mask because they are scared to catch covid. LOL this funny as fuck. The prostitute you are sticking likely has had or actually has a more dangerous virus. But yet your still here on a discussion board about finding hookers.

One question do you make sure their vaccinations are current and are dbl masked upon your visit?

I bet a liberal ***** house would look like something off of a B-rated sci-fi.That was awesome!

[JakeGold21]

Worker asked where are all the good guys? Said, they are at work. Well she said, where are they tonight? Home sleeping because they have to work tomorrow. Common sense ain't common. Separate subject. Why do db hang out on corners? Nobody wants to park and hang out when muscle is scaring folks away. Places should charge a db fee for wasting corner space.

[ClitEastwoodJx]

So the clown that has been called out now speaks out. Call BS all you want. Go look at all my my posts and see who I have had banned. You're a low life POS. Get a life. I made that post today waiting for you specifically to respond. You've been called out before for being a liar. Buy more videos looser.LOL! Fucking troll piece of shit. I am great, and always will be. I hope so bad someone takes you out! You are such a liar. Banning girls, then fucking them to allow their ads to get back on. You're the biggest piece of shit ever! I've been trusted since this site started when I had another user name. No one wants your sorry ass on here. You're not helping anyone! Everyone should ignore your bullshit. Lie some more, and try to be more like me. LOL.

There, I finished it fucker!

[JakeGold21]

How many times has you gangbanging ass been to jail this year!Why can't we all just go gang bangs some toothless trailer park fleabag and all get along.

[PlayTiem]

I stay away from political arguments on this site because I'm here to talk about sex acts with women. However, I applaud you and couldn't like this post more if I tried. People don't seem to understand the virus gets in through your eyes and whatever is on your hands (that you touch your mask with). Saw one of the braindead. Errr, sorry, brainwashed women at the gym today with her mask on under her chin. Yeah, fucking morons walk among us.Yes the VIRUS gets in through you EYES. And when you touch the bananas, the CIA controls your BRAINS through the nano-programs!

The ONLY way to CONTROL yourself is through RANDOM capitalization and science DENIAL!

But, yeah, wearing a mask around your chin is super stupid. Either wear it, or don't. And if you're concerned about what's on your hands, touching the outside of your mask, wash them with hot water and soap. Rubbing your eyes with dirty hands (whether from sticking your fingers in providers holes, or from gardening) is a bad idea. Just wash 'them. You'll be good.

Get the bi-valent covid booster, and the quad-valent flu booster. You'll be less likely to get sick, or at least bad-sick. This is what the people who do this for a living say, and by that I don't mean the pharma CEOs, I mean the docs and nurses who deal with this shit every day.

[SSideJohnny]

You know what's funny, how some people get triggered by the stupidest things. So concerned if someone puts a word in all caps. LOL, Funny. Wear a mask or don't, it makes no difference. Viruses are AIRBORNE, in all caps for the triggered. I'm a pure blood myself.

[TallBear]

You know what's funny, how some people get triggered by the stupidest things. So concerned if someone puts a word in all caps. LOL, Funny. Wear a mask or don't, it makes no difference. Viruses are AIRBORNE, in all caps for the triggered. I'm a pure blood myself.WTF is a "pure blood"? Sounds like an anti-vaccination, crypto-fascist phrase favored by the Q-Anon crazies, but that is just a guess.

The Covid-19 virus is "airborne" in that it is present in exhaled water droplets, but it is not an actual airborne virus such as anthrax, which encysts in "spores" that literally drift on the wind.

The medical profession has used face masks to reduce the potential for disease transmission for a long, long time. It is a hedge, not a sure thing. But when you are playing the odds with dangerous infections, you wear a mask because it does, in fact, matter.

It is as though the last 100 years of medical science never happened.

What am I saying? Half America thinks science is a liberal conspiracy.

[SSideJohnny]

WTF is a "pure blood"? Sounds like an anti-vaccination, crypto-fascist phrase favored by the Q-Anon crazies, but that is just a guess.

The Covid-19 virus is "airborne" in that it is present in exhaled water droplets, but it is not an actual airborne virus such as anthrax, which encysts in "spores" that literally drift on the wind.

The medical profession has used face masks to reduce the potential for disease transmission for a long, long time. It is a hedge, not a sure thing. But when you are playing the odds with dangerous infections, you wear a mask because it does, in fact, matter.

It is as though the last 100 years of medical science never happened
What am I saying? Half America thinks science is a liberal conspiracy."Someone who doesn't put experimental products in one's body because the TV told me to", Masks don't prevent Covid, even says so on the box, they wear them during surgery for obvious reasons. There are many of clinical studies that prove this. I'll just quote you one of them. No significant difference.

Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial, JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. ... Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

Particles too small:
“We found that 60 GSM face mask had particle capture efficiency of 94% for total particles greater than 0.3 microns”

How big is the virus again? 0.125 microns! So again, MASKS DO NOT WORK.

I guess you think vaccines work too? You can get triple vaxed, boosted and can still get COVID? LOL! No thanks. I bet you don't even know the vaxes are experimental? ;-) I don't make uninformed decisions, neither should you.

[NeckAuthority]

"Someone who doesn't put experimental products in one's body because the TV told me to", Masks don't prevent Covid, even says so on the box, they wear them during surgery for obvious reasons. There are many of clinical studies that prove this. I'll just quote you one of them. No significant difference.

Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial, JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. ... Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

Particles too small:
We found that 60 GSM face mask had particle capture efficiency of 94% for total particles greater than 0.3 microns

How big is the virus again? 0.125 microns! So again, MASKS DO NOT WORK.

I guess you think vaccines work too? You can get triple vaxed, boosted and can still get COVID? LOL! No thanks. I bet you don't even know the vaxes are experimental? ;-) I don't make uninformed decisions, neither should you.Thought about selling your blood & sperm? I joked about this pre-pademic, until I saw this was a thing LOL.

[TallBear]

I won't be posting my professional CV on a fuck board, of course, but suffice to say that my grasp of molecular biology is better than the average bear's. I not only understand how & why conventional vaccines work but how & why mRNA-based vaccines work. Hint: basically, the same way. The breakthrough is our ability to biochemically program the latter. And since viruses constantly mutate, we have to keep tweaking the code.

Yes, this is experimental. All science is experimental. It is the essence of the scientific method.

Individualized cancer therapies using mRNA are already saving lives. Researchers are working to develop an mRNA-based cancer vaccine by 2030.

No uninformed decision-making going on here, thanks.

Still don't like "pure blood". It smacks of Strangelovian fears of "contaminating precious bodily fluids" and of fascist invocations of "defending blood & soil", which is magnified in the context of contemporary politics.


"Someone who doesn't put experimental products in one's body because the TV told me to", Masks don't prevent Covid, even says so on the box, they wear them during surgery for obvious reasons. There are many of clinical studies that prove this. I'll just quote you one of them. No significant difference.

Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial, JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. ... Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

Particles too small:
We found that 60 GSM face mask had particle capture efficiency of 94% for total particles greater than 0.3 microns

How big is the virus again? 0.125 microns! So again, MASKS DO NOT WORK.

I guess you think vaccines work too? You can get triple vaxed, boosted and can still get COVID? LOL! No thanks. I bet you don't even know the vaxes are experimental? ;-) I don't make uninformed decisions, neither should you.

[SSideJohnny]

I won't be posting my professional CV on a fuck board, of course, but suffice to say that my grasp of molecular biology is better than the average bear's. I not only understand how & why conventional vaccines work but how & why mRNA-based vaccines work. Hint: basically, the same way. The breakthrough is our ability to biochemically program the latter. And since viruses constantly mutate, we have to keep tweaking the code.

Yes, this is experimental. All science is experimental. It is the essence of the scientific method.

Individualized cancer therapies using mRNA are already saving lives. Researchers are working to develop an mRNA-based cancer vaccine by 2030.

No uninformed decision-making going on here, thanks.

Still don't like "pure blood". It smacks of Strangelovian fears of "contaminating precious bodily fluids" and of fascist invocations of "defending blood & soil", which is magnified in the context of contemporary politics.LOL, get your measles booster lately? As stated, all the info is out there to make an informed decision. That's why no mask no vax and I somehow survived, IT'S A MIRACLE! LOL You can continue to be experimented on like a lab rat, I'm good thanks. How about that drastic increase in heart related issues since the Vax? I'll take Bell's palsy for 200 Alex. NO THANKS.

[JerseyJerk]

I propose you jax guys start Mandy her own thread. She causes so much controversy in this city she deserves her own thread! I think she's got to be worth it for this much discussion for so many years to still be the hot topic Is unheard of.

And the trophy goes to.

[NeckAuthority]

https://jacksonville.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/hey-guys-its-me-im-back-with-t/418388229479

Sounding like a broken record, but is there a history.

With bubbles that invites these reviews.

Lets start off saying this, not knocking anyone who.

Sees her, and know beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Yet we have these reviews then complain about providers in Jax.

Will start off with this.

Seen bubbles upclose a few occasions, one recently. Never partook. Yet one thing we should all have a consensus on is her looks. She's bat shid ugly. She may look better in person, but she still bag of crap. Not saying you can't have fun with her, but man it's a little misleading. As in half truths. May not be "nice" to say, but a review about bubbles and not mentioning her looks, or saying she looks better in person and that's it. That's like saying a provider doesn't steal, but her db does.

[PervNerd48]

https://jacksonville.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/hey-guys-its-me-im-back-with-t/418388229479

Sounding like a broken record, but is there a history.

With bubbles that invites these reviews.

Lets start off saying this, not knocking anyone who.

Sees her, and know beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Yet we have these reviews then complain about providers in Jax.

Will start off with this.

Seen bubbles upclose a few occasions, one recently. Never partook. Yet one thing we should all have a consensus on is her looks. She's bat shid ugly. She may look better in person, but she still bag of crap. Not saying you can't have fun with her, but man it's a little misleading. As in half truths. May not be "nice" to say, but a review about bubbles and not mentioning her looks, or saying she looks better in person and that's it. That's like saying a provider doesn't steal, but her db does.Hey, I saw her today. If I had thought she was batshit ugly, I'd have said she was batshit ugly. She really wasn't.

Her photos are GOD awful. She looks like a toothless meth ***** in her photos. But in person, she looks like a MILF you'd meet at Dave and Busters. She had a very nice smile. She said she had gotten her teeth fixed, and honestly, it's a massive improvement. If you told me that she had fucked-up teeth before, I could see that from the photos. But they're nicer today.

I was expecting a room that reeked of cigs; there was no trace of cig smoke. No evidence of scabs or drugs. She was clear-headed and fun to talk to.

Personally, I'd like to think she cleaned up her act significantly. I have no idea what was before; it was my first time seeing her. I didn't know it was Bubbles until I got in the room with her and she told me.

I might be wrong about her. If you read my post history, there was another woman who I enjoyed that others had really bad experiences with. Maybe I'm looking at it with rose-colored glasses. But today,. I saw a provider that looked good, smelled good, felt good, looked in shape (I'm not going to say spinner, but there was no belly), and gave really good head. No nonsense, no drama.

[NeckAuthority]

Hey, I saw her today. If I had thought she was batshit ugly, I'd have said she was batshit ugly. She really wasn't.

Her photos are GOD awful. She looks like a toothless meth ***** in her photos. But in person, she looks like a MILF you'd meet at Dave and Busters. She had a very nice smile. She said she had gotten her teeth fixed, and honestly, it's a massive improvement. If you told me that she had fucked-up teeth before, I could see that from the photos. But they're nicer today.

I was expecting a room that reeked of cigs; there was no trace of cig smoke. No evidence of scabs or drugs. She was clear-headed and fun to talk to.

Personally, I'd like to think she cleaned up her act significantly. I have no idea what was before; it was my first time seeing her. I didn't know it was Bubbles until I got in the room with her and she told me.

I might be wrong about her. If you read my post history, there was another woman who I enjoyed that others had really bad experiences with. Maybe I'm looking at it with rose-colored glasses. But today,. I saw a provider that looked good, smelled good, felt good, looked in shape (I'm not going to say spinner, but there was no belly), and gave really good head. No nonsense, no drama.Not here to check anybody, so if that's your type than, that's you. As the young folks say what you say still triggers me lol. We have completely different definitions of a milf. A learning lesson I guess. Not to take all reviews as a guide but a reference maybe.

[PlayTiem]

LOL, get your measles booster lately? As stated, all the info is out there to make an informed decision. That's why no mask no vax and I somehow survived, IT'S A MIRACLE! LOL You can continue to be experimented on like a lab rat, I'm good thanks. How about that drastic increase in heart related issues since the Vax? I'll take Bell's palsy for 200 Alex. NO THANKS.Tall BEAR I have NO IDEA why you might ACTUALLY speak like an INTELLIGENT person when you could randomly YELL! You DON'T sound at ALL like some SHITTY propaganda literature from THE FIFITIES.

I weep for critical thinking. The people that continue to attack education and actual science are at the root of the problem.

[SSideJohnny]

Tall BEAR I have NO IDEA why you might ACTUALLY speak like an INTELLIGENT person when you could randomly YELL! You DON'T sound at ALL like some SHITTY propaganda literature from THE FIFITIES.

I weep for critical thinking. The people that continue to attack education and actual science are at the root of the problem., Who's Yelling? A word in all caps would be to emphasize that word, but a word with a "!" would be yelling yes. First time in a message forum? So glad we got that straightened out, if all my words were in caps, or not, doesn't matter. Bottom line the truth doesn't change, Masks don't work, and that's how we know you got nothing but trying to make some sort of personal attack like it bothers me. Wear your face diaper bro, we know who you are we see you out there and laugh at you. Be you!

[Red Talon]

Tall BEAR I have NO IDEA why you might ACTUALLY speak like an INTELLIGENT person when you could randomly YELL! You DON'T sound at ALL like some SHITTY propaganda literature from THE FIFITIES.

I weep for critical thinking. The people that continue to attack education and actual science are at the root of the problem.There was a time when someone in a lab coat took the podium you could count on what they were saying to be accurate. Everything has a political slant now so both sides have valid points. I go back to when the "leaders" were pushing fabric masks, I knew that was complete bullshit. And people wonder why the trust is gone.

[MyDarkSide]

I can't believe anyone in 2022 still holds onto the belief that a piece of cloth provides protection. Even the vaccines appear to be virtually useless. Especially ironic in a site such as this where activities and choices are 10 x more threatening.

[Mighty Max]

Am I the only one that has trouble using the search engine on this forum? I can't find anything helpful. What am I doing wrong?

[PlayTiem]

There was a time when someone in a lab coat took the podium you could count on what they were saying to be accurate. Everything has a political slant now so both sides have valid points. I go back to when the "leaders" were pushing fabric masks, I knew that was complete bullshit. And people wonder why the trust is gone.I also remember a time when, if a president were to do something so retarded as recommend ingesting bleach, a proper gubment figure would stand up, scream "this is bullshit" and walk out.

My dad is an Ebola jumper (one of those doctors who, when there's an outbreak of Ebola somewhere in Africa, goes over there to help stamp it out). He thinks cloth masks help for Covid. Not as much as N95 or whatever, but helps in restricting transmission via snot globules. So, I follow his advice. Because he doesn't really have a political agenda with me not dying. And he's smart, and does shit where his own life is on the line.

The humanist in me weeps, but the cynical scientist in me laughs at the micro evolution of the science deniers dying because they don't get it.

BTW, that last post of mine was meant to be supportive. Even if I don't agree with everything you say, you AT least you don't RANDOMLY capitalIZE things like some sliver hangover of MCCARTHY era posters.

[PlayTiem]

I can't believe anyone in 2022 still holds onto the belief that a piece of cloth provides protection. Even the vaccines appear to be virtually useless. Especially ironic in a site such as this where activities and choices are 10 x more threatening.And condoms are a tool of the deep state! It's clear that all the scientists are just trying to kill us! Why else would they be doing what they're doing! Vote anti-science! Vote anti-thinking!

[PlayTiem]

, Who's Yelling? A word in all caps would be to emphasize that word, but a word with a "!" would be yelling yes. First time in a message forum? So glad we got that straightened out, if all my words were in caps, or not, doesn't matter. Bottom line the truth doesn't change, Masks don't work, and that's how we know you got nothing but trying to make some sort of personal attack like it bothers me. Wear your face diaper bro, we know who you are we see you out there and laugh at you. Be you!Punctuation marks end sentences or phrases. Not words.

See how that period came at the end of a sequence of words? NOT. After! Every? Word,

As I just mentioned, my dad is an Ebola jumper. He believes that cloth masks reduce Covid transmission. Not as much as N95 or other variants, but definitely worthwhile.

He's one of those people who had to look into people's eyes as they were dying, as they were furious because they didn't believe that Covid was a thing. And then they suffocated to death, because nothing could be done.

Ignorance is a state of bliss when you don't know better, and is entirely innocent. Stupidity is rejecting evidence and logic.

And, lest anyone keep saying this is irrelevant to a ***** board, there are some girls who get tested for STDs regularly, and some who ignore warnings that specific clients have tested positive. There was a chick who advertised as "a throat GOAT" here who got warned that one of her clients had the clap. She didn't care. She didn't get tested. Because she didn't think it was important, even when it was pointed out that it could adversely affect her health. Same shit, different day.

[MyDarkSide]

And condoms are a tool of the deep state! It's clear that all the scientists are just trying to kill us! Why else would they be doing what they're doing! Vote anti-science! Vote anti-thinking!Bringing up politics into a scientific discussion really is the root of the problem. No one would ever wear a plain, porous cloth covering if seriously worried. It's a talisman.

[Sicilly]

I also remember a time when, if a president were to do something so retarded as recommend ingesting bleach, a proper gubment figure would stand up, scream "this is bullshit" and walk out.

My dad is an Ebola jumper (one of those doctors who, when there's an outbreak of Ebola somewhere in Africa, goes over there to help stamp it out). He thinks cloth masks help for Covid. Not as much as N95 or whatever, but helps in restricting transmission via snot globules. So, I follow his advice. Because he doesn't really have a political agenda with me not dying. And he's smart, and does shit where his own life is on the line.

The humanist in me weeps, but the cynical scientist in me laughs at the micro evolution of the science deniers dying because they don't get it.

BTW, that last post of mine was meant to be supportive. Even if I don't agree with everything you say, you AT least you don't RANDOMLY capitalIZE things like some sliver hangover of MCCARTHY era posters.Nobody recommended ingesting bleach. The Bullshit part tho are the morons who keep thinking and repeating that someone did say that.

[TallBear]

Nobody recommended ingesting bleach. The Bullshit part tho are the morons who keep thinking and repeating that someone did say that.I hallucinated seeing Donald John Trump speculate about exactly that, as well as the possibility of internal UV irradiation? I did not turn to Mama Bear and say the latter "would shred proteins like confetti"? I did not see Dr. Birx shrinking into her chair behind him?

But you are correct: he did not actually say, "Go drink bleach to prevent Covid-19". A few actual morons interpreted it that way with tragic results but he was basically just talking out of his ass about things he knew nothing about, which I think we all understand on some level, including his fanboys.

[Red Talon]

I hallucinated seeing Donald John Trump speculate about exactly that, as well as the possibility of internal UV irradiation? I did not turn to Mama Bear and say the latter "would shred proteins like confetti"? I did not see Dr. Birx shrinking into her chair behind him?

But you are correct: he did not actually say, "Go drink bleach to prevent Covid-19". A few actual morons interpreted it that way with tragic results but he was basically just talking out of his ass about things he knew nothing about, which I think we all understand on some level, including his fanboys.It always amazes me that of the multiple candidates the Democrats had, they elected this walking bag of dog feces. He is so mentally gone that he doesn't even know that he is lying as when he does, to him it's just reality. Plus his cabinets average age must be around 20 as they have zero life experience and just keep making bad decisions after bad decisions. Then they trot him out to say "Maga this, extreme maga that" and the trained seals clap. Jesus Christ, what a doddering old fuck.

[Sicilly]

I hallucinated seeing Donald John Trump speculate about exactly that, as well as the possibility of internal UV irradiation? I did not turn to Mama Bear and say the latter "would shred proteins like confetti"? I did not see Dr. Birx shrinking into her chair behind him?

But you are correct: he did not actually say, "Go drink bleach to prevent Covid-19". A few actual morons interpreted it that way with tragic results but he was basically just talking out of his ass about things he knew nothing about, which I think we all understand on some level, including his fanboys.Again, no. LMAO at you. We get it, you hate the guy, its understood. BTW, thanks for the current situation the country is in. Bet ya wish for those mean tweets to come back.

[Wpgsh34]

Again, no. LMAO at you. We get it, you hate the guy, its understood. BTW, thanks for the current situation the country is in. Bet ya wish for those mean tweets to come back.Ok, so he didn't say bleach, but he did say disinfectant, although like Tallbear, I remember him saying bleach, perhaps it was just the reports of people who had heard disinfectant and drank bleach, I recall at least one story I believe for. Maryland where some poor soul listened and ingested bleach.

And before you say it mainstream media twisting facts, one of the clips in the video is from Fox News.

Fact of the matter neither political party is honest or have America in there best interest. I. Fact I just watched a report where Marjorie Taylor Green says she wants Republican Party to succeed. Shouldn't it be the American people. All of us who should succeed.

This country really could use a third party, one to unite and not divide.

https://youtu.be/9hMWMtGbsyo

[Red Talon]

Ok, so he didn't say bleach, but he did say disinfectant, although like Tallbear, I remember him saying bleach, perhaps it was just the reports of people who had heard disinfectant and drank bleach, I recall at least one story I believe for. Maryland where some poor soul listened and ingested bleach.

And before you say it mainstream media twisting facts, one of the clips in the video is from Fox News.

Fact of the matter neither political party is honest or have America in there best interest. I. Fact I just watched a report where Marjorie Taylor Green says she wants Republican Party to succeed. Shouldn't it be the American people. All of us who should succeed.

This country really could use a third party, one to unite and not divide.

https://youtu.be/9hMWMtGbsyoHe was having a side conversation about the ability to cleanse the virus from blood and lungs. Biden actually said it and the media ran with it. Trump did not explicitly recommend ingesting a disinfectant like bleach. But he did express interest in exploring whether disinfectants could be applied to the site of a coronavirus infection inside the body, such as the lungs. There were others that also had the idea of nebulizing substances into the lungs. There were plenty of people who invested bleach before this and still do, it has nothing to do with the virus but rather general stupidity or information found on the web.

Remember, everything but the democrat thought process is an "existential threat" to our democracy. The world will end if you vote anything but democrat according to wise scribes such as Joy Reid, Joy Behar, Whoopi Goldberg, Chuck Todd, Don Lemon and others.

[OnTime877]

He was having a side conversation about the ability to cleanse the virus from blood and lungs. Biden actually said it and the media ran with it. A "side conversation" at a press conference?? Regardless of who he was speaking to the audience was the world. He explicitly recommended "injection" of "disinfectant. " Who cares if it's "bleach" or ammonia?? The statement is no less moronic, and we all know everything is Biden's fault but this one isn't on him! Lololol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w&t=20s

P.S. Don't forget about the ultraviolet light inside the body. It's no wonder you guys will fall for anything. Rump btw tried to walk it back by claiming he was joking, but any remotely honest person knows that press conference and his remarks were as serious as a heart attack.

[MyDarkSide]

TDS is so real.

"Joe Biden: On COVID-19, Donald Trump said that "maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay. ".

PolitiFact's ruling: Mostly False. ".

Even politifact puts it on Biden. Facts are a wonderful thing. Like the fact many more died under Slow Joe than under Trump.

[Red Talon]

TDS is so real.

"Joe Biden: On COVID-19, Donald Trump said that "maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay. ".

PolitiFact's ruling: Mostly False. ".

Even politifact puts it on Biden. Facts are a wonderful thing. Like the fact many more died under Slow Joe than under Trump.Once they smoke that TDS crack pipe, nothing else matters. When you have Biden out stumping for Fetterman, that SHOULD be a huge red flag. One bumbling fuck campaigning for another bumbling fuck. Stroke or not, he should have dropped out.

[OnTime877]

Once they smoke that TDS crack pipe, nothing else matters. When you have Biden out stumping for Fetterman, that SHOULD be a huge red flag. One bumbling fuck campaigning for another bumbling fuck. Stroke or not, he should have dropped out.Joe has a lifelong speech imprediment that he's mostly overcome. Fetterman has had a stroke that could happen to any of us at any moment. What is "pro life," space cadet Herschel Walker's excuse, that and his 11 other personalities? Have you asked him to drop out? LOL.

PS Hey why not turn off Hannity and Tucker for a week (fake news), do some rounded research, and start thinking for yourself? That's asking a lot, I know, but why not grow a pair and do something responsible? That's how America works, and it not by swallowing hook, line, and sinker everything propagandists tell you. :-)

[OnTime877]

TDS is so real.

"Joe Biden: On COVID-19, Donald Trump said that "maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay."

PolitiFact's ruling: Mostly False. ".

Even politifact puts it on Biden. Facts are a wonderful thing. Like the fact many more died under Slow Joe than under Trump.Watch it and weep, and of course you've provided no link to any politifact analyis.

A "side conversation" at a press conference?? Regardless of who he was speaking to the audience was the world. He explicitly recommended "injection" of "disinfectant. " Who cares if it's "bleach" or ammonia?? The statement is no less moronic, and we all know everything is Biden's fault but this one isn't on him! Lololol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w&t=20s

[OnTime877]

How many of you morons have sent Trump any money? That's what it's ultimately about anyway, conning white Americans without college degrees. Can we get a show of hands?

[MadMax67]

Watch it and weep, and of course you've provided no link to any politifact analyis.

A "side conversation" at a press conference?? Regardless of who he was speaking to the audience was the world. He explicitly recommended "injection" of "disinfectant. " Who cares if it's "bleach" or ammonia?? The statement is no less moronic, and we all know everything is Biden's fault but this one isn't on him! Lololol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w&t=20sTry watching the video you posted again. He didn't tell people to I ject it. He was asking the question to his expect doctors / scientists if it could be possible to do these things.

Is it really so far-fetched of an idea? Did you ever hear of chemo therapy where they inject or swallow poison to kill cancer actually making the person sick. So think about it. Look at all the medications we take for all the illness we have and the side effect they cause. Sometimes even killing us. Giving us cancer.

Like I said he was inquiring if it was possible not telling people to do it and even mentioned having to do it with a doctor.

[Jack1964]

Joe has a lifelong speech imprediment that he's mostly overcome. Fetterman has had a stroke that could happen to any of us at any moment. What is "pro life," space cadet Herschel Walker's excuse, that and his 11 other personalities? Have you asked him to drop out? LOL.

PS Hey why not turn off Hannity and Tucker for a week (fake news), do some rounded research, and start thinking for yourself? That's asking a lot, I know, but why not grow a pair and do something responsible? That's how America works, and it not by swallowing hook, line, and sinker everything propagandists tell you. :-)All I know is the world seems to be in turmoil, our country seems to be in turmoil, our economy sucks, and our President does not look up to the job. If you don't see that your in denial! Common man!!

Everything the left accused the right of is exactly what they are doing. This is like the twilight zone!

[OnTime877]

Try watching the video you posted again. I did watch it, and don't need to watch it again. Rump suggests disinfectant injections (bleach, amonia, etc.) as a cure for Covid.


it really so far-fetched of an idea?Of course it is, and if you doubt it, I invite you to have a bleach and orange juice cocktail tonight before bed. And if that doesn't work for you, go with some swigs of Clorox, straight. Report back to us! LOL.

As to chemotherapy, your analogy is false. This involves the use of radiation and steroids to shrink cancerous growths, proven treatments and a whole different phenomenon to shooting up or drinking disinfectants to kill viruses. But at least you were man enough to admit that Trump made these suggestions. Cudos for that, as so many are so immersed in their cult mentality that they can't go that far. Lolol.

PS And if Rump's suggestions were so reasonable as you claim, why did he later (at the debates) try to pawn it all off as a joke? Looks like his advisors were a lot smarter than you!

[MyDarkSide]

Try watching the video you posted again. He didn't tell people to I ject it. He was asking the question to his expect doctors / scientists if it could be possible to do these things....You're wasting your time. Until they have a cure for TDS.

[MadMax67]

You're wasting your time. Until they have a cure for TDS.The guy is a total moron. Trump never said bleach. Also he thinks chemo therapy is radiation which it is not. Radiation therapy is used in conjunction with chemotherapy. My point t was that most drugs are poison and can be lethal if not used.

In a proper done. Funny how I have gotten bleach and other disinfectant cleaner in my system through the skin and cuts and I'm still alive.

He never said bleach. Watch the video.

[PervNerd48]

The guy is a total moron. Trump never said bleach. Also he thinks chemo therapy is radiation which it is not. Radiation therapy is used in conjunction with chemotherapy. My point t was that most drugs are poison and can be lethal if not used.

In a proper done. Funny how I have gotten bleach and other disinfectant cleaner in my system through the skin and cuts and I'm still alive.

He never said bleach. Watch the video.I'm a Trump hater and voter for Biden, and even I'll state that Trump never said anything about bleach.

The reason that people think Trump said bleach is because:

1. He had that inane idea about using disinfectants somehow.

2. People actually did try drinking bleach to cure themselves of coronavirus.

www.insider.com/texans-drink-bleach-poison-control-warns-wont-cure-coronavirus-2020-8%3Famp

Bottom line: whether you voted for Biden or Trump, don't drink bleach.

[MadMax67]

I'm a Trump hater and voter for Biden, and even I'll state that Trump never said anything about bleach.

The reason that people think Trump said bleach is because:

1. He had that inane idea about using disinfectants somehow.

2. People actually did try drinking bleach to cure themselves of coronavirus.

www.insider.com/texans-drink-bleach-poison-control-warns-wont-cure-coronavirus-2020-8%3Famp

Bottom line: whether you voted for Biden or Trump, don't drink bleach.That I have to blame because I don't have as much play money for this hobby. You voted for Biden. LOL.

[MyDarkSide]

He never said bleach. Watch the video.Facts don't matter. Current administration -- you recall the party with a plan and science? Is nearing 3 x the Covid deaths as under Trump. Media is silent.

[PervNerd48]

That I have to blame because I don't have as much play money for this hobby. You voted for Biden. LOL.I'm too tired to get into a discussion on how Trump's empowering of Putin, including not taking the Ukraine situation seriously, led to the jump in gas prices that sparked the worst run of inflation ever. But between that, and the stupid lack of unifying politics is killing America.

[MadMax67]

I'm too tired to get into a discussion on how Trump's empowering of Putin, including not taking the Ukraine situation seriously, led to the jump in gas prices that sparked the worst run of inflation ever. But between that, and the stupid lack of unifying politics is killing America.You definitely are delusional. We were energy independent and in control. We were exporting energized and we could have controlled the situation and helped our allies in Europe.

All the government spending fueled the inflation ask any reputable economist and look at history and you will understand. Putin was behaving himself till he got his chance again with a weak President. He took Crimea during Obama / Biden admin and then he's trying to take Ukraine with Biden as president.

[OnTime877]

The guy is a total moron. Trump never said bleach.

What difference does it make? He said "injection" and "disinfectant," what difference does it make if it's bleach, amonnia, or Scrubbing Bubbles? The big question is, when are you going to take your head out from between Cheetolini's butt checks and start thinking for yourself? That or do as I suggested, drink some Clorox and get back to us as to how it went. Or if you like, make it amonnia or Scrubbing Bubble. Still waitin. Man up. :-) ;-)

[OnTime877]

You definitely are delusional. We were energy independent and in control. We were exporting energized and we could have controlled the situation and helped our allies in Europe.

Our energy production levels naturally dropped substantially during the pandemic (under Trump) and have been increasing since.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2562/us-crude-oil-production-historical-chart

Even still, the US, though the largest single oil producer by country, still represents only 17% of the world's oil production, thus we are a small piece of the pie. If you want to whine you can start with OPEC, but the current inflation is the product of worldwide increased demand and supply chain issues in the aftermath of a once in 100 year pandemic.


All the government spending fueled the inflation ask any reputable economist and look at history and you will understand. Putin was behaving himself till he got his chance again with a weak President. He took Crimea during Obama / Biden admin and then he's trying to take Ukraine with Biden as president.

Lolol Inflation is a worldwide phenomenon, and it's worse in some Euro countries. It has very little to do with anything specific to the US. It was inevitable regardless of who became the US president, plus what is the Republican plan for solving it? We've heard virtually nothing.

And where did you get the idea that Putin was "behaving himself?" The worst cyber attacks on US govt infratstructure were committed during the Trump administration, while Trump said "I know Vlad, he said he didn't do it and I believe him. " The BJs from Trump continued with him jockeying to pull us out of NATO, sowing divisions with the same, grifting in Ukraine withholding taxpayer funds committed to Ukraine in order to coerce them into trying to dig up dirt on his election rival, and the list goes on. Why would Putin distract from all those gifts and deep throat action by invading the Ukraine? But it's long been part of Vlad's plan within the goal of rebuilding empire, as he clearly told us in his speech prior to the invasion. That is the same invasion Trump called "genius" even though Russia got their clocks cleaned and withdrew from Kyiv.

So at the end of the day, you are yet another that needs to stop letting Tucker Carlson and right wingnut bloggers do your thinking for you, do some valid research and think for yourself. If that's possible, though if you are anything like the low IQ stooges that stormed the capital, it's likely a lost cause. We will just have to do our best to contain you and lock you up if you break the law.

[OnTime877]

I'm too tired to get into a discussion on how Trump's empowering of Putin, including not taking the Ukraine situation seriously, led to the jump in gas prices that sparked the worst run of inflation ever. But between that, and the stupid lack of unifying politics is killing America.Unity is a pipe dream. I mean when you have morons believing in Chinese paper conspiracies, lasers directed a voting machine conspiracies, and even after their partisan vote count in AZ turned up nothing, and all the kooky hogwash that Alex Jones comes up with to sell $80 bottles of fish oil, and its Coast to Coast AM gone mainstream. That's what we have today. Have you ever tried to talk someone out of their belief in alien abuctions or Big Foot?? You'd have better luck trying to flip a Moron or Jehovah Witness knocking on your door.

And the balance of power is tilted in their favor, while backwoods states with a few people like Idaho get two senators the same as California, which pays in many more times the dollars in the federal treasury. Not to mention all the gerrymandering of voting districts and voter suppression efforts, even while Rump and Rudy's "voter fraud" cases were laughed out of 60 courts across the land. So forget unity. What to remember is to do exactly what we did in 2022, get out the vote. And though historically we are certain to have some midterm set backs, as is almost always the case with the party in power, 2024 is when it counts the most.

[PervNerd48]

You definitely are delusional. We were energy independent and in control. We were exporting energized and we could have controlled the situation and helped our allies in Europe.

All the government spending fueled the inflation ask any reputable economist and look at history and you will understand. Putin was behaving himself till he got his chance again with a weak President. He took Crimea during Obama / Biden admin and then he's trying to take Ukraine with Biden as president.This post is delusional.

I'll just point out the first quote you made, because it's not my fault your teachers failed to educate you.

"We were energy independent. ".

How do you define this? Because this answer is both true and false. As this columnist said.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/10/01/us-energy-independence-has-grown/?sh=646f9e01657e

" I am often asked if the USA Is energy independent, or whether we have ever been energy independent. A claim I frequently encounter is that President Trump made us energy independent, and we lost that under President Biden. ".

Before addressing such a claim, you must ensure that everyone is speaking the same language. When someone makes that claim to me, I ask them to define energy independence.

If energy independence means we don't import oil, then that hasn't been true since the 1940's. If it means we export more energy than we import, then we became energy independent in 2019 (following a decade of soaring oil and gas production), but we remain energy independent today.

Others may define energy independence as producing more than we consume. In that case, we reached that milestone in 2020. It was primarily a result of a sharp drop in consumption because of the Covid-19 pandemic, accompanied by a smaller drop in energy production that year. But, that milestone remained intact in 2021. ".

Go turn off Fox News and read a book. Seriously. As the great Dan Quayle once said, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have one at all. ".

[MyDarkSide]

....
"We were energy independent. ".

How do you define this? Because this answer is both true and false. As this columnist said.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/10/01/us-energy-independence-has-grown/?sh=646f9e01657e

" I am often asked if the USA Is energy independent, or whether we have ever been energy independent. A claim I frequently encounter is that President Trump made us energy independent, and we lost that under President Biden. ".
....

LOL let me summarize the article in one sentence: "It is true that we achieved both of those energy independence milestones under President Trump. " The remainder is just blah. Blah. Blah.

[OnTime877]

This post is delusional.

I'll just point out the first quote you made, because it's not my fault your teachers failed to educate you.

"We were energy independent. ".

How do you define this? Because this answer is both true and false. As this columnist said.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/10/01/us-energy-independence-has-grown/?sh=646f9e01657e

" I am often asked if the USA Is energy independent, or whether we have ever been energy independent. A claim I frequently encounter is that President Trump made us energy independent, and we lost that under President Biden. ".

Before addressing such a claim, you must ensure that everyone is speaking the same language. When someone makes that claim to me, I ask them to define energy independence.

If energy independence means we don't import oil, then that hasn't been true since the 1940's. If it means we export more energy than we import, then we became energy independent in 2019 (following a decade of soaring oil and gas production), but we remain energy independent today.

Others may define energy independence as producing more than we consume. In that case, we reached that milestone in 2020. It was primarily a result of a sharp drop in consumption because of the Covid-19 pandemic, accompanied by a smaller drop in energy production that year. But, that milestone remained intact in 2021. ".

Go turn off Fox News and read a book. Seriously. As the great Dan Quayle once said, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have one at all. ".It's very refreshing reading an intelligent post for a change. Thanks. The Carlsons and Hannitys of the world have built their mansions spinning half-truths to the gullible. And half-truths of course ultimately mislead and are lies all by their lonesome.

[NbWill]

Never believed in masks being a solution or pretty much almost anything else. Here is an interesting article from a very left leaning magazine:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/

[MovingForward]

It's very refreshing reading an intelligent post for a change. Thanks. The Carlsons and Hannitys of the world have built their mansions spinning half-truths to the gullible. And half-truths of course ultimately mislead and are lies all by their lonesome.Oil is a commodity. It is traded and it is less expensive to import to many refineries rather then transport over land. Just because oil was imported, it does not discount the fact the US would be energy independent. Oil companies are willing to produce it as long as they know it is profitable venture. Currently, there is no incentive to produce.

At one time, I worked for BP. I suggest everyone stop posting articles. I assume everyone here knows the media never gets the full story or the correct story.

Petroleum products are expensive because the US Government has decided to put oil companies out of business and to implement terrible foreign policy.

Political discussions rarely do anything except get people pissed. I tried to keep my post with limited political statement, but it's difficult without disclosing the issue.

[PervNerd48]

LOL let me summarize the article in one sentence: "It is true that we achieved both of those energy independence milestones under President Trump. " The remainder is just blah. Blah. Blah.The very next sentence pointed out that we hit independence due to the fracking boom, which Trump had nothing to do with.

This is why I urged you to read a book. You need to work on that attention span.

Donald Trump wants you to learn how to read.

[PervNerd48]

Never believed in masks being a solution or pretty much almost anything else. Here is an interesting article from a very left leaning magazine:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/The Atlantic is not a left leaning magazine. It likes to think of itself as progressive, but it's so attracted to contrarian hot takes with little evidence that it's hot garbage.

[NbWill]

The Atlantic is not a left leaning magazine. It likes to think of itself as progressive, but it's so attracted to contrarian hot takes with little evidence that it's hot garbage.That's not what Laurene said.

[MyDarkSide]

The very next sentence pointed out that we hit independence due to the fracking boom, which Trump had nothing to do with.

This is why I urged you to read a book. You need to work on that attention span.

Donald Trump wants you to learn how to read.One can always tie themselves up in knots explaining and rationalizing why a period of no inflation, Russia staying behind established borders, energy independence, soaring economy and stock markets, and Korea not flying off dozens of missiles, record vax development, no children mutilations, low gas prices, etc etc can suddenly go south in under two years. It's fun to watch the left's excuses. Especially when the very policy that you quote contributed to energy independence is eliminated by this administration. Too funny.

Again, just fact: "energy independence under Trump. " Spin away.

[Oshmalee]

She openly admits to having a past candy issue. I did have lunch with her and she is trying hard to clean her act up. Nice BBBJ. Best thing is the Pitty. He's a dork but nice. Ask her and she will send pics. LOL. No one has ever sent proof she is a thief. She did me right.


That's the highly disputed Mandy Mandy Mandy, who used to be considered one of the most evil thieves ever found in Jacksonville. Lately, there are reports she's been trying to fix her reputation. I don't think anyone here has actually tried to see her and reported a really good time.

[Admin2]

She openly admits to having a past candy issue. I did have lunch with her and she is trying hard to clean her act up. Nice BBBJ. Best thing is the Pitty. He's a dork but nice. Ask her and she will send pics. LOL. No one has ever sent proof she is a thief. She did me right.Several guys, independently reported that she stole from them. How exactly do they need to prove it?

I get it, she's cleaning up her act, I salute that, if she's working a program and serious about it she will take care of the guys she robbed when she works a 9th step and then they will report that.

Until then report your experiences about her and don't review other mongers reports.

A2.

[AMnnos]

Several guys, independently reported that she stole from them. How exactly do they need to prove it?

I get it, she's cleaning up her act, I salute that, if she's working a program and serious about it she will take care of the guys she robbed when she works a 9th step and then they will report that.

Until then report your experiences about her and don't review other mongers reports.

A2.The million dollar question that seems to not get an answer.

[RAW1978]

She openly admits to having a past candy issue. I did have lunch with her and she is trying hard to clean her act up. Nice BBBJ. Best thing is the Pitty. He's a dork but nice. Ask her and she will send pics. LOL. No one has ever sent proof she is a thief. She did me right.Um, no. This should read, she hasn't sent proof that she hasn't robbed anyone. Gents, just do a local record search of the surrounding counties and you can see just how much theft, and other "activities" this girl has been caught for. There's no new leaf.

[NflMongerv2]

Um, no. This should read, she hasn't sent proof that she hasn't robbed anyone. Gents, just do a local record search of the surrounding counties and you can see just how much theft, and other "activities" this girl has been caught for. There's no new leaf.Right about the time that BackPage went away, I decided I wanted to try MandyX3. I had seen on SM that at one point, she ran around with Riverside Gina. RG and I were friends on SM and I had visited her half a dozen times so we had a rapport. I asked her if Mandy was a good provider and Gina (Jenn) said "man, it's up to you, but unless you like getting robbed, I'd stay away from her if I was you!

I took that advice and have stayed away! It's a shame because she is hot and has a great body! As for Riverside Gina (Jenn), I do wish she wasn't out west! She was always a good time! She loved her booze and candy but always got into the sessions and took immaculate care of her body.

[Low Baller]

Hello gentlemen!

I know she has been reviewed many times before, but wanted to remind everyone that Natalie is back in town for a little bit. She is one of my favorites and I look forward to her visits. If you have never set up and appointment I strongly recommend it.

https://skipthegames.com/posts/jacksonville/female-escorts/caucasian_w/natalie-fans-in-town-january-1/659842530963Weird, the post said Natalie is back. Mentioned he looks forward to boking an appointment with her, but gave no review on her! Looking at the history, the poster never reviewed Natalie. Weird, no?

Then we are told that we all need to set up an appointment to see rush and see Natalie. Nope, I will not rush to see her, in fact I will avoid her.

Sure sounds like Natalie selfie commercial.

I think I shall avoid Natalie.

[RawDawg904]

Weird, the post said Natalie is back. Mentioned he looks forward to boking an appointment with her, but gave no review on her! Looking at the history, the poster never reviewed Natalie. Weird, no?

Then we are told that we all need to set up an appointment to see rush and see Natalie. Nope, I will not rush to see her, in fact I will avoid her.

Sure sounds like Natalie selfie commercial.

I think I shall avoid Natalie.Why is she using the same photos from years ago when she first started? That's suspect enough right there. Literally everyone has camera with them for 24/7. When I see an ad with the same photos from years ago, that's a sign for me to stay away.

[SteveJones1969]

LOL. You guys are really missing out on this one. Sorry but you are really off base. Unless!! Maybe you don't like a safe environment that she is located, Maybe you don't like clean girls with no stench, Maybe you don't like a real GFE kind of date, or maybe you don't like paying a very reasonable price for someone who is not drugged out and has a damn nice body. I usually visit her every time she is in town and have never been disappointed, and yes she is in town right now. But you guys go ahead and give me all the reasons you will not visit her. I would not want you realize that your wrong in your opinions. I have left plenty of reviews on different gals, cannot even remember if I did one on her or not. If not, my bad, I should have. Consider this to be my review.

She is a great looking young lady who is an unicorn in this town. She is none of the things you all ***** about. Go visit some more stanky girls. I will go see Nat every time.


Weird, the post said Natalie is back. Mentioned he looks forward to boking an appointment with her, but gave no review on her! Looking at the history, the poster never reviewed Natalie. Weird, no?

Then we are told that we all need to set up an appointment to see rush and see Natalie. Nope, I will not rush to see her, in fact I will avoid her.

Sure sounds like Natalie selfie commercial.

I think I shall avoid Natalie.

[LikeToGetIt]

You're wanting us who also have great full-time jobs, and have spent a lot of our time and money to give you what we no? No Sir.Why not?

Isn't this the forum to do just that?

[Powerhouse100]

LOL. You guys are really missing out on this one. Sorry but you are really off base. Unless!! Maybe you don't like a safe environment that she is located, Maybe you don't like clean girls with no stench, Maybe you don't like a real GFE kind of date, or maybe you don't like paying a very reasonable price for someone who is not drugged out and has a damn nice body. I usually visit her every time she is in town and have never been disappointed, and yes she is in town right now. But you guys go ahead and give me all the reasons you will not visit her. I would not want you realize that your wrong in your opinions. I have left plenty of reviews on different gals, cannot even remember if I did one on her or not. If not, my bad, I should have. Consider this to be my review.

She is a great looking young lady who is an unicorn in this town. She is none of the things you all ***** about. Go visit some more stanky girls. I will go see Nat every time.Does she have recent pics or can she post more recent pics?

[PDC90]

Weird, the post said Natalie is back. Mentioned he looks forward to boking an appointment with her, but gave no review on her! Looking at the history, the poster never reviewed Natalie. Weird, no?

Then we are told that we all need to set up an appointment to see rush and see Natalie. Nope, I will not rush to see her, in fact I will avoid her.

Sure sounds like Natalie selfie commercial.

I think I shall avoid Natalie.Are suspicious. I don't know if it's uncle, DB pimp, or some weird I don't know what. Just got back a few pages and you see the same type of reviews or advertising.

[PDC90]

If not, my bad, I should have. Consider this to be my review.

She is a great looking young lady who is an unicorn in this town. She is none of the things you all ***** about. Go visit some more stanky girls. I will go see Nat every time.Apologize accepted, next time just write a review beforehand so you don't have to get all worked up.

Still avoid this one, especially with these try hard advertising.

[PDC90]

Why not?

Isn't this the forum to do just that?I thought only the girls were smelling fishy but now it's here.

[Low Baller]

LOL. You guys are really missing out on this one. Sorry but you are really off base. Unless!! Maybe you don't like a safe environment that she is located, Maybe you don't like clean girls with no stench, Maybe you don't like a real GFE kind of date, or maybe you don't like paying a very reasonable price for someone who is not drugged out and has a damn nice body. I usually visit her every time she is in town and have never been disappointed, and yes she is in town right now. But you guys go ahead and give me all the reasons you will not visit her. I would not want you realize that your wrong in your opinions. I have left plenty of reviews on different gals, cannot even remember if I did one on her or not. If not, my bad, I should have. Consider this to be my review.

She is a great looking young lady who is an unicorn in this town. She is none of the things you all ***** about. Go visit some more stanky girls. I will go see Nat every time.This forum is about info. Which basically means reviews of providers. Some reviews are good, and some are not so good.

Reviews are personal, so I may like someone and think she is great but another monger may think she is not so good. And of course providers are not consistent, depending upon their candy usage for the day a provider may be great or not so great. Info is also given about pricing, not paying deposits, avoid scams etc. I find the info very helpful, and I can make my own decisions based upon the info. But, I do not like attempts to sell me or manipulate me. Because I do not see Natalie does not mean I have to see stanky girls. Weird that there is so much effort and manipulation attempts to get us mongers to see Natalie, it is like her pussy is pulling some strings or something.

Providers do their selling at STG, at STG the posts tell us how each is a goddess, the best in Jacksonville, super beautiful, the one we need to text or call now before she leaves town, gentlemen's favorite, etc. Advertisements are better suited for posting in STG ads, not in this forum.

The key is that it is sharing of information with other mongers!! It is Not about Telling Monger To Rush and Book an Appointment with a Provider! This is not a place for commercials, nor is it a place for trying to manipulate people via guilt trips that they are missing out if they do not see a particular provider! The key remember is info, if one knows a provider is in town and had prior good experiences with her, then just give me that info, including that it is old info. But please do not tell me that I must go and see her otherwise I am missing out. We mongers will decide based on the info.

As for this Natalie in Orange Park with posted STG pictures taken years ago, I do not fear that I am missing out (nor wrong) by avoiding her.

[Choo83]

Weird, the post said Natalie is back. Mentioned he looks forward to boking an appointment with her, but gave no review on her! Looking at the history, the poster never reviewed Natalie. Weird, no?

Then we are told that we all need to set up an appointment to see rush and see Natalie. Nope, I will not rush to see her, in fact I will avoid her.

Sure sounds like Natalie selfie commercial.

I think I shall avoid Natalie.You are right I have never reviewed Natalie before, and that is on me. I'm not the best at writing out stuff like this, and usually avoid because this community is super harsh even when people are trying to post something to help out the ladies so people will take some time to see them. I have seen Natalie numerous times and going to see her today. They have all been top notch experiences and I know today will be as well. It's a clean, safe, environment and she is a real GFE, and does not eat candy. Feel free to believe whatever you want about my post. I'm just trying to help her out.

[SteveJones1969]

Couple of things for everyone to consider. First off, there is more than one Natalie out there. I speak of Andi's Natalie who after going back and reading many posts I was not able to find any negative posts. There are a number of them on some of the other Natalie's out there. Andi's, Natalie had one review who did not find her attractive. To each his own. I have zero desire to manipulate anyone as to what they should do not not. I really do not care. My point was simple. Commenting on a provider who you have never seen is just useless information. How exactly is that informative? Personally I try and read as many reviews as possible and if the vast majority are positive, then I may give it a shot and see for myself. Again, everyone is welcome to do as they please. I agree with another monger out there. It is almost not worth posting positive reviews because it seems like so many want to bash you when you do. Hell, the vast majority of providers use all kinds of filters and look nothing like themselves, I mean nothing like them, like crazy off. At least hers are not filtered and she is still very much as shown. To each his own, happy mongering and may the provider gods smile on each of you.


This forum is about info. Which basically means reviews of providers. Some reviews are good, and some are not so good.

Reviews are personal, so I may like someone and think she is great but another monger may think she is not so good. And of course providers are not consistent, depending upon their candy usage for the day a provider may be great or not so great. Info is also given about pricing, not paying deposits, avoid scams etc. I find the info very helpful, and I can make my own decisions based upon the info. But, I do not like attempts to sell me or manipulate me. Because I do not see Natalie does not mean I have to see stanky girls. Weird that there is so much effort and manipulation attempts to get us mongers to see Natalie, it is like her pussy is pulling some strings or something.

Providers do their selling at STG, at STG the posts tell us how each is a goddess, the best in Jacksonville, super beautiful, the one we need to text or call now before she leaves town, gentlemen's favorite, etc. Advertisements are better suited for posting in STG ads, not in this forum.

The key is that it is sharing of information with other mongers!! It is Not about Telling Monger To Rush and Book an Appointment with a Provider! This is not a place for commercials, nor is it a place for trying to manipulate people via guilt trips that they are missing out if they do not see a particular provider! The key remember is info, if one knows a provider is in town and had prior good experiences with her, then just give me that info, including that it is old info. But please do not tell me that I must go and see her otherwise I am missing out. We mongers will decide based on the info.

[Low Baller]

Couple of things for everyone to consider. First off, there is more than one Natalie out there. I speak of Andi's Natalie who after going back and reading many posts I was not able to find any negative posts. There are a number of them on some of the other Natalie's out there. Andi's, Natalie had one review who did not find her attractive. To each his own. I have zero desire to manipulate anyone as to what they should do not not. I really do not care. My point was simple. Commenting on a provider who you have never seen is just useless information. How exactly is that informative? Personally I try and read as many reviews as possible and if the vast majority are positive, then I may give it a shot and see for myself. Again, everyone is welcome to do as they please. I agree with another monger out there. It is almost not worth posting positive reviews because it seems like so many want to bash you when you do. Hell, the vast majority of providers use all kinds of filters and look nothing like themselves, I mean nothing like them, like crazy off. At least hers are not filtered and she is still very much as shown. To each his own, happy mongering and may the provider gods smile on each of you.I never saw the Natalie identified via her STG ad, that is correct. But, I also did not tell other mongers that she was skanky, horrible or that she is the worst and they will have horrible time if they see her. I did, however, note she is posting very old pictures in her STG ad and her location is in OP (which raised questions her), all of which were just the facts, no games, no pressure.

Since it was clear that our forum was being used like a STG commercial and since there were attempted manipulations that if we other mongers did not rush to see Natalie then we would be forever missing out on the very best provider in the world. In addition we other mongers were told that we would supposedly be forced to only see skanky providers in the future if we did not rush to see Natalie. That was big-time attempted manipulations and commercial pressuring, So, I made it clear I never saw Natalie and I gave the simple and honest info that I would avoid seeing her because of the all commercial pressure and manipulations being done on her behalf.

OK, enough said. Now let's enjoy some pussy. Let's get mongering!

[PDC90]

I never saw the Natalie identified via her STG ad, that is correct. But, I also did not tell other mongers that she was skanky, horrible or that she is the worst and they will have horrible time if they see her. I did, however, note she is posting very old pictures in her STG ad and her location is in OP (which raised questions her), all of which were just the facts, no games, no pressure.

Since it was clear that our forum was being used like a STG commercial and since there were attempted manipulations that if we other mongers did not rush to see Natalie then we would be forever missing out on the very best provider in the world. In addition we other mongers were told that we would supposedly be forced to only see skanky providers in the future if we did not rush to see Natalie. That was big-time attempted manipulations and commercial pressuring, So, I made it clear I never saw Natalie and I gave the simple and honest info that I would avoid seeing her because of the all commercial pressure and manipulations being done on her behalf.

OK, enough said. Now let's enjoy some pussy. Let's get mongering!Very well put. We seen this with health and social justice being pushed on society and it never gets a good response.

[Admin2]

Very well put. We seen this with health and social justice being pushed on society and it never gets a good response.


I never saw the Natalie identified via her STG ad, that is correct. But, I also did not tell other mongers that she was skanky, horrible or that she is the worst and they will have horrible time if they see her. I did, however, note she is posting very old pictures in her STG ad and her location is in OP (which raised questions her), all of which were just the facts, no games, no pressure.

Since it was clear that our forum was being used like a STG commercial and since there were attempted manipulations that if we other mongers did not rush to see Natalie then we would be forever missing out on the very best provider in the world. In addition we other mongers were told that we would supposedly be forced to only see skanky providers in the future if we did not rush to see Natalie. That was big-time attempted manipulations and commercial pressuring, So, I made it clear I never saw Natalie and I gave the simple and honest info that I would avoid seeing her because of the all commercial pressure and manipulations being done on her behalf.

OK, enough said. Now let's enjoy some pussy. Let's get mongering!Do you two not know how to use the ignore function. Just because somebody posts about somebody, EVEN if they say to you "if you don't fuck her you will be missing the best pussy of all time" you can still ignore their post.

Just saying.

A2.

[Member #6475]

Hello gents,

I may be in the minority here but I like to play very safe. While it's limiting what I've dreamed about it is my only option. I'm curious to know how many people here have been given an unexpected gift from providers. BBBJ or otherwise. Thanks for your feedback!

[NflMongerv2]

Hello gents,

I may be in the minority here but I like to play very safe. While it's limiting what I've dreamed about it is my only option. I'm curious to know how many people here have been given an unexpected gift from providers. BBBJ or otherwise. Thanks for your feedback!Many many years ago, on one occasion, I got very drunk and got BBFS from a dancer. Three days later, it hurt like hell to take a piss so I went to the Dr. He did a full STD check and lucky for me, what I had was easily fixed with a penicillin shot. I got very lucky! That said, I'll do CFS and CBJ. IMO, I don't want to risk it. But to each his own!

[NflMongerv2]

Fellas,

There is no denying that the hobby we have chosen, is one of great risk. There can be life altering STDs, incarceration and court battles from LEO busts, robbery / assault from providers, BFs, or handlers. Etc, etc.

But Fellas, there is no greater high than when I'm cruising down a side road at night and see the silhouette of a hot new SWAN, she gets in my ride and I get the best service! Or when I'm at a strip club and a dancer and I come to a deal for extras and we both enjoy it. The list of great hobby scenarios goes on and on. This forum continues to be a great tool to find great talent and avoid the bad ones. Stay safe out there!

[Robbo18]

Kristen is addicted to the needle. She actually jabs herself with a syringe and pinches herself to get those marks.Of course, she's an addicted to the needle. But you don't get these kind of gross skin busting sores like this and pinching yourself. It's continuous needlework that she's doing to both her forearms and shins. I know what I'm talking about because I bought all her bandages and gauze and actually have put her in a bathtub mat my own house and cleaned her areas multiple times but she still refuses to get help. Unfortunately, I have the fear that she will be the next that will be found OD.

[PDC90]

Of course, she's an addicted to the needle. But you don't get these kind of gross skin busting sores like this and pinching yourself. It's continuous needlework that she's doing to both her forearms and shins. I know what I'm talking about because I bought all her bandages and gauze and actually have put her in a bathtub mat my own house and cleaned her areas multiple times but she still refuses to get help. Unfortunately, I have the fear that she will be the next that will be found OD.I hope great things come your way.

[RAW1978]

Of course, she's an addicted to the needle. But you don't get these kind of gross skin busting sores like this and pinching yourself. It's continuous needlework that she's doing to both her forearms and shins. I know what I'm talking about because I bought all her bandages and gauze and actually have put her in a bathtub mat my own house and cleaned her areas multiple times but she still refuses to get help. Unfortunately, I have the fear that she will be the next that will be found OD.Damn, a decent person would have taken her to the hospital to get proper medical attention. If she refuses to go, then obviously she doesn't want to be around and an OD would be her best bet.

[Mr Johns]

Of course, she's an addicted to the needle. But you don't get these kind of gross skin busting sores like this and pinching yourself. It's continuous needlework that she's doing to both her forearms and shins. I know what I'm talking about because I bought all her bandages and gauze and actually have put her in a bathtub mat my own house and cleaned her areas multiple times but she still refuses to get help. Unfortunately, I have the fear that she will be the next that will be found OD.Geeeessshhhhh!

[Mr Johns]

Of course, she's an addicted to the needle. But you don't get these kind of gross skin busting sores like this and pinching yourself. It's continuous needlework that she's doing to both her forearms and shins. I know what I'm talking about because I bought all her bandages and gauze and actually have put her in a bathtub mat my own house and cleaned her areas multiple times but she still refuses to get help. Unfortunately, I have the fear that she will be the next that will be found OD.Looks like the walking dead.

[WalnutDoor84]

I would throw her out of my vehicle with haste if I saw her arms.


Of course, she's an addicted to the needle. But you don't get these kind of gross skin busting sores like this and pinching yourself. It's continuous needlework that she's doing to both her forearms and shins. I know what I'm talking about because I bought all her bandages and gauze and actually have put her in a bathtub mat my own house and cleaned her areas multiple times but she still refuses to get help. Unfortunately, I have the fear that she will be the next that will be found OD.

[Robbo18]

I've known Kristen for 4 years and seen her shoot 15-20 times. She can barely get a needle in her arm much less do that sort of damage. Change your concern to Brooke. Find out why she OD'ed. My money says a female dope dealer named Mel had an unrequited crush on her and gave her a hot shot.Well, the last two years has not been very kind to her when she's shooting up. You've seen the pictures for yourself of her forearms. Her shins on her legs look way worse. But if any of why'all want to have to deal with that and smell what's coming from her wounds, then why'all can have it. If you're not careful, the fluids and blood coming from those wounds could end up in while your very own open wounds will get you infected. I'm just putting a warning out there. It's up to you to decide for yourself.

[Robbo18]

I've known Kristen for 4 years and seen her shoot 15-20 times. She can barely get a needle in her arm much less do that sort of damage. Change your concern to Brooke. Find out why she OD'ed. My money says a female dope dealer named Mel had an unrequited crush on her and gave her a hot shot.OK you say you known her for four years and seen her shoot up 15 to 20 times in that four years. I have seen her do that 15-20 times in the last two months at least if not more than that.

[TomCat4871]

This is the only 103 Kristen I know. You guys talking about this one?


OK you say you known her for four years and seen her shoot up 15 to 20 times in that four years. I have seen her do that 15-20 times in the last two months at least if not more than that..

[Robbo18]

This is the only 103 Kristen I know. You guys talking about this one?

.Yes, that is her.

[Robbo18]

This is the only 103 Kristen I know. You guys talking about this one?

.That's definitely an older picture of her from her Facebook page. She would get dressed up like that and go play with the dope boys. She don't even even look close to that anymore. Along with what's going on with her body she starting to get sores on her face.

[ClitEastwoodJx]

This is the only 103 Kristen I know. You guys talking about this one?

.This was her the last time I saw her, which has been way over a year ago. She has a few great kids too. Very sad to know this.

[Robbo18]

This was her the last time I saw her, which has been way over a year ago. She has a few great kids too. Very sad to know this.That's what I'm talking about. That is a huge decline with in the last year, the picture that you posted compared to what the other guy posted from her Facebook page. At one point she was very pretty but that dope has definitely took a toll on her, not getting any easier.

[MarkDean]

Of course, she's an addicted to the needle. But you don't get these kind of gross skin busting sores like this and pinching yourself. It's continuous needlework that she's doing to both her forearms and shins. I know what I'm talking about because I bought all her bandages and gauze and actually have put her in a bathtub mat my own house and cleaned her areas multiple times but she still refuses to get help. Unfortunately, I have the fear that she will be the next that will be found OD.She more than likely has MRSA. It is nothing to mess with. The pinch marks are old sores from MRSA. That is nothing to mess with. Your intentions are great but you also can catch it from her. I know as I got it in the Florida Keys. Was in the hospital for 15 days. Please get her to a hospital!

[Mr Johns]

Of course, she's an addicted to the needle. But you don't get these kind of gross skin busting sores like this and pinching yourself. It's continuous needlework that she's doing to both her forearms and shins. I know what I'm talking about because I bought all her bandages and gauze and actually have put her in a bathtub mat my own house and cleaned her areas multiple times but she still refuses to get help. Unfortunately, I have the fear that she will be the next that will be found OD.Having this kind of knowledge borders on the criminal!

[PDC90]

Do you know about her diet. She mostly eats sugary kids type cereal. How about adult onset diabetes? I know where you live.You know where this guy lives, why did you say that.

[Red Talon]

You know where this guy lives, why did you say that.Because they are fighting over a human pin cushion. One is white knighting for some reason, blah, blah blah.

[Mr Johns]

Because they are fighting over a human pin cushion. One is white knighting for some reason, blah, blah blah.LMAO! YOU STAND CORRECT. I COULDN'T HAVE SAID THIS ANY BETTER lmao.

[Red Talon]

LMAO! YOU STAND CORRECT. I COULDN'T HAVE SAID THIS ANY BETTER lmao.It's just easier to put the shitsipper on the ignore list. Poof, they're gone!

[PDC90]

Because they are fighting over a human pin cushion. One is white knighting for some reason, blah, blah blah.Seems complicated but interesting.

[PDC90]

He lives in a doublewide down in Middleburg. He has 3 roommates who can't meet girls in Clay county so they all come up here to do their shit. They're all in their late 60's and can't get a hard on between the 4 of them. They will try to steal girls.Please continue and don't mind me.

[Eat Ma Wiener]

Alabama is ranked #1 at basketball?Alabama beat Georgia by 49 points yesterday.

[Powerhouse100]

Little boy,

Can you read? What is wrong with your comprehension?! There isn't a racist bone in my body. I accept all heifers, but honestly, preferrably Latinas, however, most reports you read about regarding encounters with Latina's is that they do rush and that's a fact! Where I said:

"I don't care how gorgeous a girl is, when rushing starts, it kills the whole vibe and these numbers are notorious for rushing dates!

Especially the part where I state, "I don't care how gorgeous (a girl) is" dumb dumb, this means any girl! Not just Latina! I spoke of Latinas only because the gent was wondering why "they" don't want to see AA's! Dumb dumb, it had nothing to do with being against Latina women, but more to do with the fact that ANY woman who delivers bad services is a no good to me and I am sure any reasonable hobbyiest feels the same way! You're dumb and you cannot read and phuck you punk! And I know most girls rush, but I was addressing to whom the concern involved--Latina women! Silly azz!

[PDC90]

Little boy,

Can you read? What is wrong with your comprehension?! There isn't a racist bone in my body. I accept all heifers, but honestly, preferrably Latinas, however, most reports you read about regarding encounters with Latina's is that they do rush and that's a fact! Where I said:

"I don't care how gorgeous a girl is, when rushing starts, it kills the whole vibe and these numbers are notorious for rushing dates!

Especially the part where I state, "I don't care how gorgeous (a girl) is" dumb dumb, this means any girl! Not just Latina! I spoke of Latinas only because the gent was wondering why "they" don't want to see AA's! Dumb dumb, it had nothing to do with being against Latina women, but more to do with the fact that ANY woman who delivers bad services is a no good to me and I am sure any reasonable hobbyiest feels the same way! You're dumb and you cannot read and phuck you punk! And I know most girls rush, but I was addressing to whom the concern involved--Latina women! Silly azz!

I read your post and it looked like you were generalizing Latinas as rushers, (boy don' evert do that). Then make it clear that all women are capable of rushing. BTW it still looks like your saying Latinas rush guys in this post. Spreading that kind of disrespect and prejudice is gonna hurt your image, not that you have anything good going for you, and if another AA goes and acts like this to a Latina, its just going to make it worse for another AA. The way you're talking, you sound triggered, insecure, and childish. Watch yourself now boy, steroids and penis surgery doesn't make you a man. Don't get exposed boy, not if you're hiding secrets.

This conversation is done. Take some time and reflect on your stereotypes and lumping a race of women as rushers and fix that. Heal, grow, be respectful of people and their choices. Only then you can finally become a man

[PDC90]

We should never talk about girls seeing or not seeing certain mongers. Won't happen again.

[Powerhouse100]

I read your post and it looked like you were generalizing Latinas as rushers, (boy don' evert do that). Then make it clear that all women are capable of rushing. BTW it still looks like your saying Latinas rush guys in this post. Spreading that kind of disrespect and prejudice is gonna hurt your image, not that you have anything good going for you, and if another AA goes and acts like this to a Latina, its just going to make it worse for another AA. The way you're talking, you sound triggered, insecure, and childish. Watch yourself now boy, steroids and penis surgery doesn't make you a man. Don't get exposed boy, not if you're hiding secrets.

This conversation is done. Take some time and reflect on your stereotypes and lumping a race of women as rushers and fix that. Heal, grow, be respectful of people and their choices. Only then you can finally become a manYeah, you still need to go back to school chump and work on that reading comprehension because you're ignorant! That much is quite clear! I could care less if any prostitute see me, honestly! That neither adds or take away from me stupid! Go back and look at most reviews on those visits— most reviewers say they are rushed! This is a big reason I never rush to see them, stupid! Rushing of any kind, from anybody doesn't settle well with me, no matter who it is, silly! Ya try to be intelligent but you're just another wannabe and idiot and ignoramus! Stupid!

[PDC90]

Yeah, you still need to go back to school chump and work on that reading comprehension because you're ignorant! That much is quite clear! I could care less if any prostitute see me, honestly! That neither adds or take away from me stupid! Go back and look at most reviews on those visits most reviewers say they are rushed! This is a big reason I never rush to see them, stupid! Rushing of any kind, from anybody doesn't settle well with me, no matter who it is, silly! Ya try to be intelligent but you're just another wannabe and idiot and ignoramus! Stupid!I would cuck you. I can cuck you. You can't stop me, boy. Know that, boy. Now get in the corner and stfu

[Powerhouse100]

I would cuck you. I can cuck you. You can't stop me, boy. Know that, boy. Now get in the corner and stfuNot only are you lack comprehension, but you're also a contradiction to yourself! Your words: "This conversation is done" is it done, you phucking stupid contradiction! See, ya not even a man of your own words, but instead little phuck-boy, a contradiction! Sucks to be you, doesn't it, you miserable little ****! What does PDC stand for? Pussy-dick-**** phuck boy? SMH.

[PDC90]

Not only are you lack comprehension, but you're also a contradiction to yourself! Your words: "This conversation is done" is it done, you phucking stupid contradiction! See, ya not even a man of your own words, but instead little phuck-boy, a contradiction! Sucks to be you, doesn't it, you miserable little ****! What does PDC stand for? Pussy-dick-**** phuck boy? SMH.😉.

I'm your huckleberry.

[PDC90]

The sea level has been rising?

I'm 100 percent sure it's due to powercrybaby1000's salty tears. Puhahahha. I'm enjoying this. I'm love it when you cry, cry some more for me boy.

Side note, what are you, besides a cry baby? Why are you trying to sabotage an AA chances to see a Latina by spread hate and lies. How jaded are you? Were you not hugged enough as a baby, its not too late, you haven't grown at all so go get some hugging baby boy.

[Powerhouse100]

😉.

I'm your huckleberry.This is a troll folks. Go back and look at his reviews--90 something percent of the time, he's commenting on someone else's report. He doesn't seem to report on those he's seen personally; not much at all, tbh. These kind of jokers, I pay them no mind because all they seem to do is live vicariously through others. They are scared to go out and get their own experiences. So for this reason, I won't comment again on such a clown since he adds very little value to these forums! What a sad azz phuck-boy! Now go and suck your own dicck! Chump azz!

[PDC90]

This is a troll folks. Go back and look at his reviews--90 something percent of the time, he's commenting on someone else's report. He doesn't seem to report on those he's seen personally; not much at all, tbh. These kind of jokers, I pay them no mind because all they seem to do is live vicariously through others. They are scared to go out and get their own experiences. So for this reason, I won't comment again on such a clown since he adds very little value to these forums! What a sad azz phuck-boy! Now go and suck your own dicck! Chump azz!Salty powercrybaby1000, cry for me boy.

[PDC90]

This is a troll folks. Go back and look at his reviews--90 something percent of the time, he's commenting on someone else's report. He doesn't seem to report on those he's seen personally; not much at all, tbh. These kind of jokers, I pay them no mind because all they seem to do is live vicariously through others. They are scared to go out and get their own experiences. So for this reason, I won't comment again on such a clown since he adds very little value to these forums! What a sad azz phuck-boy! Now go and suck your own dicck! Chump azz!How old are you? I've never seen someone cry this much ever LOL! Its was so easy to make you cry.

[Red Talon]

This is a troll folks. Go back and look at his reviews--90 something percent of the time, he's commenting on someone else's report. He doesn't seem to report on those he's seen personally; not much at all, tbh. These kind of jokers, I pay them no mind because all they seem to do is live vicariously through others. They are scared to go out and get their own experiences. So for this reason, I won't comment again on such a clown since he adds very little value to these forums! What a sad azz phuck-boy! Now go and suck your own dicck! Chump azz!You engaged, just block. No sense in giving shit sippers attention. Lots of drama queens for members, some engage others stir the pot. Just block them, cleans up the feeds nicely.

[Powerhouse100]

You engaged, just block. No sense in giving shit sippers attention. Lots of drama queens for members, some engage others stir the pot. Just block them, cleans up the feeds nicely.Already ahead of you Red! He was blocked last night! LOL.

[PDC90]

Already ahead of you Red! He was blocked last night! LOL.Awwwww, all that crying and time to run.

[IlazeWithWomen]

I'm looking for a regular outcall visitor in the OP / Middleburg area that is mobile or can be Uber'd. You mongers know who's worth a few coins and who's not. I don't want someone so strung out she can't see straight, I'd prefer it if she wasn't 200 pounds and I lean towards white girls. I've pretty much limited my own searching to STG but that's been a constant disappointment.

So, if you want to throw a name / number of a reliable young lady in my inbox, cool. Or drop a link here, cool.

Preesh.

[Ayce8]

Yeah, she still out there. Picked her up yesterday afternoon after work and took her to my house for a few sessions that afternoon. She says she's been really busy lately.You took KTG to your house for a few sessions? Between the missing teeth, zits / poc marks on her face, and skeleton skinny, she is only good for a desperate BJ only in a car IMO.

Looking at this girl for too long might give you nightmares.

[JaxHunter01]

You took KTG to your house for a few sessions? Between the missing teeth, zits / poc marks on her face, and skeleton skinny, she is only good for a desperate BJ only in a car IMO.

Looking at this girl for too long might give you nightmares.Most of the street fair in Jacksonville should only be done at night in a dimly lit area. Preferably just looking at the back of their head. Haven't seen a decent SW in ages that I would want to look at in a bright light.

[Robbo18]

You took KTG to your house for a few sessions? Between the missing teeth, zits / poc marks on her face, and skeleton skinny, she is only good for a desperate BJ only in a car IMO.

Looking at this girl for too long might give you nightmares.Well, guess what buddy it's a lot better than your right hand on a Friday afternoon LOL. My choice. So go fuck off.

[Mr Johns]

Well, guess what buddy it's a lot better than your right hand on a Friday afternoon LOL. My choice. So go fuck off.You're right dude. Why wack off in my hand when she can suck me.

Off with pleasure and devour my meat and huge 2 week load. Can't beat that!

[Ayce8]

Well, guess what buddy it's a lot better than your right hand on a Friday afternoon LOL. My choice. So go fuck off.More power to you man, you the only dude who spends sessions with her at home. Pretty sure people already know what's up especially with the way you replied.

[Fffun]

Nts, I am looking for a cash-friendly accommodation for a morning tryst in your area. It doesn't need to be a 5- Star property. Just discreet, no credit card trail, available at 10:00 AM and reasonably clean. Hell. An RV or tent would work! An off-the-record AirBNB type situation would work. I just can't get comfortable playing in the car. Will need it roughly once a week for a couple of hours. Ideally on the south side of the area. Between World Golf area and Daytona. Any thoughts?

[Admin2]

You took KTG to your house for a few sessions? Between the missing teeth, zits / poc marks on her face, and skeleton skinny, she is only good for a desperate BJ only in a car IMO.

Looking at this girl for too long might give you nightmares.This is in blue which means it's the Mod not me the guy talking

Unless some guys is using your dick to fuck them it is none of your fucking business who they want to fuck nor where they want to fuck them. Mongering isn't a team sport it's a solo competition and the only dick he needs to satisfy is his.

If you wanted to do a solid and you knew she was a rob that's one thing but because you wouldn't fuck her in the house for a session doesn't mean he's fucking up by doing it.

This forum isn't about you critiquing other guys posts, it's about sharing info and you being a dick to people makes them less likely to do that.

You need to learn to bring stupidity like this to the fight thread or you will find yourself prohibited from quoting guys. You're already on permanent moderation for being a dick there are only two steps left, no more quoting then banned.

A2

[NeckAuthority]

So, just linked up with an utr whom haven't seen in months. She went sober, and said " I don't do this anymore, I'm getting clean. She even blocked me on a few numbers, because I'm a despicable human being who check in every month or two to see if she relapsed. The 1st call she considered one last go, and renig. Welp as you can guess from the introduction, she did went back on that white. So ofcourse some ghosting until finally she gave me a call. Guess I should premise this, and say before the sobriety effort she was on the pipe. Yet was cool, wasn't erratic. Just chill. Also had a nice plump body that I like. So back to present went to scoop her up. Man did she pack it on. Unlike Maddy, it did not gotto the right places. Yet I push through. As soon as she got in, you could immediately see she was back on that shid, and heavy. Could tell she was clean for a short period Since when I tried to reach out after she got clean, she must of been with her people, and said she was on the ss. SHE contemplated it, untill one day A kid answered her phone, I hung up immediately, which prompted her to block me immediately. So anywho, can tell she on the streets, and hitting the pipe hard because her nails were dirty as heck, and she was jumpier than a squirrel in heat. So automatically knew was going to wrap up, and just perform a cheek swabbing. It truly was a tad sad to see though, a mid 20's year old hooked that hard. Almost looked crippling. Just remember when I was in my 20's the world was what I made of it, was making so many moves under pressure it became a pearl. I cannot imagine being hooked on that shid in my glory days that's sad. I can imagine late 40's and on, but during the best years of your life. I can't. The white underbelly help me kind of understand their world a little more. So anywho, She could not stay still. Just so jittery. Immediately found a spot to receive the best top I had in probably years. Damn that coke must of been laced in creativity because she blew my mind. Litterally. Was doing my antics to prolong the examination, since it felt sublime to the nth degree. Had me thinking I probably can go for another. Yet, anywho on the ride back, just had me feeling "off" you can say. Since, man I know where she about to spend the copay she earned. Plus the direction she headed, was in line to a trap house. I must be getting old because I blocked her LOL. Hate the feeling of guilt, or it was the impending shid I had to take. Just thinking back 10-15 yrs I would not care a bit. Yet seeing the youth hooked on the rock, and now fent. Just a sad sight. Meh that's just me. Think this low activity in jax, got me thinking about the world outside my window. Welp nothing a few shots won't fix LOL.

[Ayce8]

She's definitely taller than 5'5. Maybe 5'9. And she does have a couple pair of shorts that come to the crease of her butt line.Don't believe anything that guy says, it's the same guy that keeps creating a new account. Just ignore him. The same guy who was talking that summer boom crap. LOL.

[Mr Johns]

Don't believe anything that guy says, it's the same guy that keeps creating a new account. Just ignore him. The same guy who was talking that summer boom crap. LOL.Yea I think he's wacked out of his mind.