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The guy that died recently was a monger in Cobb county and probably other. This is why places are shutting down.
Yestheydo.The only news being released by normal sources is that he was a 67 year old man with underlying health problems and died in a hospital in Marietta. To believe anything more than that, I would need some pretty solid evidence.
HobbyMan51
03-15-20, 13:04
Yes, you can get it from anyone, but of course escorts are much more susceptible than being infected than the average / random person. They are in close, intimate contact with multiple people, every day. This is about as basic as you can get. And again, I'm not saying anyone is crazy or dumb to go see them. But at least assess the risks accurately.
Personally, I am on home lockdown and only go out to walk / hike once or twice a day. That is it. I've already had thoughts maybe no dating / sex / providers for the next few months or even a year or longer. I couldn't pull that off in my 20's, but older now and I can do it if I have to.
Most likely the rate of new infections will slow to an "acceptable" level and then it won't be nearly that risky to see someone. But right now is about the worst possible time to do so. Community spread is rampant and you may just want to wait until it at least peaks and begins a decline.
And again, I'm not judging anyone who races out to get a BBBJ, or even BBFS. I have done both, many times. But not for the next several weeks for me. No way.The spread of the flu has been even more rampant, Pete. Did you shut yourself down in October because of the flu? What do you think would happen to you if by some small chance you did come down with "The Virus"? Would that be an immediate death sentence for you? If you are that physically compromised then for your own protection you should not even leave your house. Do what you need to do but this irrational fear is destroying us socially and financially all in the name of being "safe". I'm in your age group and I'm going to go about my business as much as I can although my life has been severely compromised, not by "The Virus" but by the goddam fear police. That includes visiting my favorite providers. I will not be compromised by rampant, irrational fear and neither should the rest of you. Use common sense, yes, but do not cave in to the fear mongers and nanny state nazis.
BigDaddyRob
03-15-20, 13:57
The guy that died recently was a monger in Cobb county and probably other. This is why places are shutting down.
Yestheydo.How would you knwo that unless you know the guy, and here is the report;.
"It identifies the victim as a 67-year-old male. The release says he was hospitalized at WellStar Kennestone – located in Marietta -- after testing positive on March 7.
In addition to having coronavirus, the Georgia Department of Public Health says the victim also had underlying medical conditions".
Most normal folks are at low risk to get it or have it severe, I happen to be low risk, but high risk of complications if I get severely, so I am removed from mongering for now.
MoveForward
03-15-20, 16:55
You did the board a solid. Jessica was one of the top providers in the area for 8-10 years. Over the years, she (and other providers) have "flaked" on me by asking me to reschedule. Big deal.
You let her regulars know that she was back, and they will be happy to pay extra for a session that doesn't require screening, a dick pic, meet and greet, pre-payment, etc. And, they know what she looks like (great-looking by most guys' standards) and that she'll give a great session.
One guy thought her rates were too high and didn't like the fact that she canceled, but many of her regulars will probably be happy to go through a cancellation and will have no problem paying her rates. Who's two say she's not worth what's she's asking or her rates are too high?
While many guys here apparently would rather fuck Hillary Clinton for $80 than Beyonce for $200+, Jessica's customers are willing to pay more for a good-looking provider who gives the service level they want.
Thanks for the heads up. I plan on seeing her, paying more than $80, and plan on having to reschedule at least once. Not a problem.I'm not in the same boat as you. Money paid does not equate to service received. All of these SWs have given good and bad service at varying rates. The best experience I have ever had was for 40 $ two pops, the SW was stunning in terms of behavior, looks, and performance. I couldn't believe it. SWs play a psychological game that manipulates your sense of value. Why do they choose to manipulate value? Because that's what they struggle with internally everyday. In any case, they define a high quality guy in relationship to what gives them the best experience. So you are classy if you don't negotiate and tip and pay their absurd asking price and send them gifts whenever they need it, and you are cheap or ghetto if you don't. Notice what's happening, they praise you for helping them out, and shame you if you don't. What would this look like reversed? The best girls are the cheapest girls who are respectful and give the best service. What world do you want to live in, a world where women are beautiful behave well and are cheap like in Bangkok? Or in this inflated zone in America where guys have fallen for lies and believe the best girls are the one who you pay the most for? You mentioned that Jessica doesn't respond to you, and you have to schedule based on her convenience, that doesn't sound like good service to me. It sounds like you are at the mercy of her schedule, sounds like she is the boss and you are the employee. If that's your thing, then I get it and I'm not attempting to shame you. But if it's not, we should recognize that, and drive down rates for girls canceling short notice or not responding, by not responding to them and leaving them with less customers. We can enforce good behavior by black listing SWs, but it fails miserably when we have guys who for whatever reason get super attached to one attractive girl, when there's an uncountable supply of them. At the end of the day, another hot sexy girl willing to bounce on you for 80 $ or some weed or clothes and probably treat you better than Jessica is turning 18 literally everyday single day. What am I missing? Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying.
How would you knwo that unless you know the guy, and here is the report;.
"It identifies the victim as a 67-year-old male. The release says he was hospitalized at WellStar Kennestone located in Marietta -- after testing positive on March 7.
In addition to having coronavirus, the Georgia Department of Public Health says the victim also had underlying medical conditions".
Most normal folks are at low risk to get it or have it severe, I happen to be low risk, but high risk of complications if I get severely, so I am removed from mongering for now.I suspect he pulled that info out of his ass.
Infatuated
03-15-20, 17:47
"Here He Comes To Save the *******!!!"
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=566170&stc=1&d=1584222415You are dating yourself. That show theme has not aired since 1987. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJvM8eYcpL0.
Thanks for piling on LOL.
As I said, I 've been a regular of Jessica's for over 10 years and been through "thick and thin" with her.
I provided some information for the guys on the forum (what this is all about).
You are correct. Rates, reliability and quality of service are not dictated by any one individual (including me). In the end, the market will bear out (no pun intended). In the end, as with all girls. Some will see her and some will not.
Moving on now. Be safe and have fun.
You did the board a solid. Jessica was one of the top providers in the area for 8-10 years. Over the years, she (and other providers) have "flaked" on me by asking me to reschedule. Big deal.
You let her regulars know that she was back, and they will be happy to pay extra for a session that doesn't require screening, a dick pic, meet and greet, pre-payment, etc. And, they know what she looks like (great-looking by most guys' standards) and that she'll give a great session.
One guy thought her rates were too high and didn't like the fact that she canceled, but many of her regulars will probably be happy to go through a cancellation and will have no problem paying her rates. Who's two say she's not worth what's she's asking or her rates are too high?
While many guys here apparently would rather fuck Hillary Clinton for $80 than Beyonce for $200+, Jessica's customers are willing to pay more for a good-looking provider who gives the service level they want.
Thanks for the heads up. I plan on seeing her, paying more than $80, and plan on having to reschedule at least once. Not a problem.
Ok guys, fun and games could stop. XXXX9998 and I have privately discussed and worked things out. I take the fall, it was my bad. I got suckered in and fell for the sob story. Won't happen again. I agree we should post what we experience and you guys run with the info however you want.
Lessons Learned.Hey Nova, sorry if I offended you anyway, I thought it was funny and posted the LOL, LOL post. What I can tell from your post that you are always looking for a CLEAN provider which is very hard to find. Jessica is flake and she stands you up frequently but she is good looking and clean provider. I'm not worried about catching some shit from her and you did us a favor by posting that she is available. I would rather have her as a UTR then advertising all over the place and would not mind paying a little extra.
There are always people who would never be pay more than 80 and there are some guys who are ready to pick fight for no reason so don't take it personally and move on. I have seen some assholes insults someone for no reason while pumping a gas at a BP. This is place is a public place and trust me there always some guys lurking around to pick on other people.
Thanks for all your posts about Jessica.
You are dating yourself. That show theme has not aired since 1987. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJvM8eYcpL0.1987? Says it was created in 1958. TV theme songs didn't sound like that in 1987.
"Here He Comes To Save the *******!!!" http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=566170&stc=1&d=1584222415
You are dating yourself. That show theme has not aired since 1987. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJvM8eYcpL0.
1987? Says it was created in 1958. TV theme songs didn't sound like that in 1987.I would only be dating myself if Mighty Mouse's 1957 theme was as far as my Captain Save-A-H** references went. I, however, be one badass Renaissance Man capable of also tying the rose-colored-optimism of a true Save-A-H** Heart with the sentiments so eloquently espoused in Adam Sandler's "She Comes Home To Me": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwucgxUskGE.
Enjoy, my friends. This song never fails to make me smile:
Though I have been a fool for love
I have finally made my score
I got a girl, and I don't mean to boast
But she loves me the most
Even though she's a highly paid *****
She'll give head to a sheep
She can stuff three cocks in her cheek
But she comes home to me
She'll do the groom and the best man
She'll slap your ass in the back of a van
But she comes home to me
She could fuck nine guys in a row
But still have a tenth for me
And I'm the only one who gets to kiss them lips
Unless you pay an extra fifty
So mister, don't you fall in love
Cause I'm the only cat who doesn't wear a glove
Since her heart belongs to me
She has a throat that just won't quit
She can take all of it
And still have room for your balls
But she shops in the malls for me
She'll say twelve then call back and say one
But I don't care I know it's just work not fun
When she blows you, Jack
Don't you think she's not thinking of me
She'll go down on a yack, lick a horse's nutsack
But strictly for the cash
And it's only me who doesn't pay a fee
To watch her put a water bottle in her gash
(Put a water bottle in her gash)
She'll let you suck her nips till they're leakin'
But don't you dare try to go antique-ing
Cause she does that with me
Her pussy's sweet as honey
But when she moans, it's just for the money
Unless she's sittin' on me
She'll cram your asshole with a mouse
But she won't do it in our house
Tough luck, Jack
She knows that don't fly with me
She might eat your wife's box
But she won't tell ya where you left your socks
She rolled up and down your fat prick
But it was me who took her to the Meg Ryan flick
She's got a face full of nuts
And a mouth full of cocks
She's done Seal, Larry King, four New Kids on the Block
She blew the Winnepeg Jets right after a game
But they never got to know her actual name
On your face she will piss
On your chest she might poop
But she won't prepare her famous vegetable soup
That's simply reserved..
Oh she'll bite ya, she'll spank ya
But she'll never thank you for free
Cause baby... comes home to me
Comin' home!!
Busy Lurker
03-16-20, 16:35
If you believe there are loads of great-looking girls for $80, you have much lower standards than the rest of us. Where are they? We all see plenty of $80 pigs, but an "uncountable" amount of attractive providers at $80? LOL There aren't an "uncountable" number of attractive providers in Atlanta at any rate. Additionally, many mongers don't see service the same way as ordering a pizza. They don't have to have it delivered in 30 minutes or less. If a good-looking, high-service provider requires waiting a couple of days, it's better than getting an $80 pig right now.
Sorry, no one believes there are hot, sexy girls turning 18 every day ready to service you for $80. Talk about being at a loss for words.
I'm not in the same boat as you. Money paid does not equate to service received. All of these SWs have given good and bad service at varying rates. The best experience I have ever had was for 40 $ two pops, the SW was stunning in terms of behavior, looks, and performance. I couldn't believe it. SWs play a psychological game that manipulates your sense of value. Why do they choose to manipulate value? Because that's what they struggle with internally everyday. In any case, they define a high quality guy in relationship to what gives them the best experience. So you are classy if you don't negotiate and tip and pay their absurd asking price and send them gifts whenever they need it, and you are cheap or ghetto if you don't. Notice what's happening, they praise you for helping them out, and shame you if you don't. What would this look like reversed? The best girls are the cheapest girls who are respectful and give the best service. What world do you want to live in, a world where women are beautiful behave well and are cheap like in Bangkok? Or in this inflated zone in America where guys have fallen for lies and believe the best girls are the one who you pay the most for? You mentioned that Jessica doesn't respond to you, and you have to schedule based on her convenience, that doesn't sound like good service to me. It sounds like you are at the mercy of her schedule, sounds like she is the boss and you are the employee. If that's your thing, then I get it and I'm not attempting to shame you. But if it's not, we should recognize that, and drive down rates for girls canceling short notice or not responding, by not responding to them and leaving them with less customers. We can enforce good behavior by black listing SWs, but it fails miserably when we have guys who for whatever reason get super attached to one attractive girl, when there's an uncountable supply of them. At the end of the day, another hot sexy girl willing to bounce on you for 80 $ or some weed or clothes and probably treat you better than Jessica is turning 18 literally everyday single day. What am I missing? Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying.
MoveForward
03-16-20, 20:21
If you believe there are loads of great-looking girls for $80, you have much lower standards than the rest of us. Where are they? We all see plenty of $80 pigs, but an "uncountable" amount of attractive providers at $80? LOL There aren't an "uncountable" number of attractive providers in Atlanta at any rate. Additionally, many mongers don't see service the same way as ordering a pizza. They don't have to have it delivered in 30 minutes or less. If a good-looking, high-service provider requires waiting a couple of days, it's better than getting an $80 pig right now.
Sorry, no one believes there are hot, sexy girls turning 18 every day ready to service you for $80. Talk about being at a loss for words.It seems like you just don't want to believe there are stunning women out there who don't request outlandish fees, they are everywhere follies for instance, or spend more than 20 min searching on one of our websites like babylon. Again, other places have achieved this, I mentioned Bangkok in Thailand for example. Just being real with you, no girl is worth more than 150, although given the right circumstances I'd cough up 200. Why give them enough money to buy a 4 k flat screen TV just for moving their hips around and moaning like they were kicked in the shin for one hour? No I don't see this as ordering pizza, I wish it were more like going to a vending machine, like in Bangkok. I have no understanding of why you won't accept that there are plenty of attractive women for cheap. Please explain those points for me, if you need something emotional or you're building a fantasy then your points are valid and I agree. However, if you just want a great sensual session 80 $ will usually cover it.
Busy Lurker
03-17-20, 08:59
"I have no understanding of why you won't accept that there are plenty of attractive women for cheap. ".
Um, because there aren't.
It seems like you just don't want to believe there are stunning women out there who don't request outlandish fees, they are everywhere follies for instance, or spend more than 20 min searching on one of our websites like babylon. Again, other places have achieved this, I mentioned Bangkok in Thailand for example. Just being real with you, no girl is worth more than 150, although given the right circumstances I'd cough up 200. Why give them enough money to buy a 4 k flat screen TV just for moving their hips around and moaning like they were kicked in the shin for one hour? No I don't see this as ordering pizza, I wish it were more like going to a vending machine, like in Bangkok. I have no understanding of why you won't accept that there are plenty of attractive women for cheap. Please explain those points for me, if you need something emotional or you're building a fantasy then your points are valid and I agree. However, if you just want a great sensual session 80 $ will usually cover it.
WholeThang448
03-17-20, 14:33
If you have a lady who depends on you and that you trust, I would strongly consider supporting her through the upcoming downturn in business even if you can't see each other.You out yo rabbit ass mind LOL, fck these hoars. Keep them broke and on thier knees jack.
It seems like you just don't want to believe there are stunning women out there who don't request outlandish fees, they are everywhere follies for instance, or spend more than 20 min searching on one of our websites like babylon. Again, other places have achieved this, I mentioned Bangkok in Thailand for example. Just being real with you, no girl is worth more than 150, although given the right circumstances I'd cough up 200. Why give them enough money to buy a 4 k flat screen TV just for moving their hips around and moaning like they were kicked in the shin for one hour? No I don't see this as ordering pizza, I wish it were more like going to a vending machine, like in Bangkok. I have no understanding of why you won't accept that there are plenty of attractive women for cheap. Please explain those points for me, if you need something emotional or you're building a fantasy then your points are valid and I agree. However, if you just want a great sensual session 80 $ will usually cover it.I have been in the hobby for a long time time and trust me there are not many decent looking girls even for 200 range. It is very rare to find a 7 or 8 for 200, most of the girls in this area are 4 or 5 and some monger may call them 10. I have searched on all the sites in Atlanta area and would give 100 to 90 % of the girls. Anyone like Jessica, I would gladly pay 300 for an hour. Why? She is beautiful, friendly, has tight pussy and her pussy does not smell. She does not see 20 people in a day so I'm not worried about scooping up someone else cum from her pussy. LOL.
If you know some knockout providers then why don't you post some reviews and their link.
MoveForward
03-18-20, 12:54
I have been in the hobby for a long time time and trust me there are not many decent looking girls even for 200 range. It is very rare to find a 7 or 8 for 200, most of the girls in this area are 4 or 5 and some monger may call them 10. I have searched on all the sites in Atlanta area and would give 100 to 90 % of the girls. Anyone like Jessica, I would gladly pay 300 for an hour. Why? She is beautiful, friendly, has tight pussy and her pussy does not smell. She does not see 20 people in a day so I'm not worried about scooping up someone else cum from her pussy. LOL.
If you know some knockout providers then why don't you post some reviews and their link.All these girls are basically 8's to me that I've had before, only searched for 5 minutes, because I'm busy. You can qv each of these for 100. Who's pussy is really worth 3 X more? That's a joke.
https://escortbabylon.net/comments_list/6786717443
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view/47533252/4702882109
https://escortbabylon.net/comments_list/6789133514
You out yo rabbit ass mind LOL, fck these hoars. Keep them broke and on thier knees jack.You are a seriously troubled man. Guys like you are the reason so many of these women have no qualms about ripping us off. You give clients a bad name.
I have been in the hobby for a long time time and trust me there are not many decent looking girls even for 200 range. It is very rare to find a 7 or 8 for 200, most of the girls in this area are 4 or 5 and some monger may call them 10. I have searched on all the sites in Atlanta area and would give 100 to 90 % of the girls. Anyone like Jessica, I would gladly pay 300 for an hour. Why? She is beautiful, friendly, has tight pussy and her pussy does not smell. She does not see 20 people in a day so I'm not worried about scooping up someone else cum from her pussy. LOL.
If you know some knockout providers then why don't you post some reviews and their link.I second this post.
DRickGiver5
03-18-20, 15:53
You are a seriously troubled man. Guys like you are the reason so many of these women have no qualms about ripping us off. You give clients a bad name.They don't have any problems ripping you off because contrary to what believe, they don't really care about you. All they care about is getting that money out of your pocket. If, you don't believe it, try to borrow some money from them to help you out in your time of need.
Busy Lurker
03-18-20, 17:28
And yet we are assured they are beautiful.
All these girls are basically 8's to me that I've had before, only searched for 5 minutes, because I'm busy. You can qv each of these for 100. Who's pussy is really worth 3 X more? That's a joke.
https://escortbabylon.net/comments_list/6786717443
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view/47533252/4702882109
https://escortbabylon.net/comments_list/6789133514
All these girls are basically 8's to me that I've had before, only searched for 5 minutes, because I'm busy. You can qv each of these for 100. Who's pussy is really worth 3 X more? That's a joke.
https://escortbabylon.net/comments_list/6786717443
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view/47533252/4702882109
https://escortbabylon.net/comments_list/6789133514
And yet we are assured they are beautiful.The one with the pics is not what most guys would call beautiful. I would call her a last ditch effort for a fuck. And I wouldn't give her $100 for a QV either.
Aaron Hamlet
03-18-20, 18:29
You are a seriously troubled man. Guys like you are the reason so many of these women have no qualms about ripping us off. You give clients a bad name.If you fell over dead in front of them, 90-99.9% of these women would steal all your money and credit cards and depending on where your corpse was, might call 911 after maxing out your CC or might leave you there.
MoveForward
03-18-20, 19:00
And yet we are assured they are beautiful.All the links show faces clearly. Also I'm driven to believe that you are looking for something emotional based on your word choice. These are hookers, who would call a hooker beautiful? That sounds off, your daughter is beautiful, your mom is beautiful, your wife is beautiful. These are endearing terms. You are infatuated with a hooker, that's no good. They don't care about you, let me say that again because if you take anything away from this, take this away, they don't care about you. But I do. I'm trying to help you see that they really just care about their money and can be bought for cheap, giving them more money allows them to be independent faster and gives you less time to squirt on them, and less of them to squirt on, and increasingly more money demanded per session. I guess it might also depend on how you look, I know I'm fairly attractive, so I probably get better deals than most form time to time. I also think enough is enough, some guys here want to live in a fantasy, I and others have done our honest best part in trying to educate you to the manipulative and self centered nature of hookers. If you don't want to listen, or don't want to admit to agreeing just pm me and we can talk about it there, I'd love to hear from anyone at all. This dialogue however, is no longer productive.
They don't have any problems ripping you off because contrary to what believe, they don't really care about you. All they care about is getting that money out of your pocket. If, you don't believe it, try to borrow some money from them to help you out in your time of need.I completely agree, try asking her to give you a session on credit and watch her reaction.
We all have our preferences, I personally would rather pay more for someone that doesn't see people nonstop, I prefer GFE, and I prefer to go multiple rounds. Some guys are just trying to get one off, I respect that and some days that's all I want so have some 60's and 80's and some have been as much fun as the 200's and 300's but those have much higher success rates and less drama generally. Also can't afford the risk of the unknown. P.S., I have seen jessica since she started back if anyone wants any info can feel free to pm me, rather not discuss much in the forum because someone tells her everything from here and I would be easy for her to know who I am. I did enjoy my time with her again.
All these girls are basically 8's to me that I've had before, only searched for 5 minutes, because I'm busy. You can qv each of these for 100. Who's pussy is really worth 3 X more? That's a joke.
https://escortbabylon.net/comments_list/6786717443
https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view/47533252/4702882109
https://escortbabylon.net/comments_list/6789133514Did you monger any of three? Is there any review them on TER or USASG? I would rather have a review from trusted member. Anyway, I don't want to get into endless argument for no reason, it is just waste of time for all of us.
Other than Jessica, I ran into a gem a while back here in backpage days. Her name was Angela and she was visiting from Alabama (but had no southern accent). She was one of the best other than Jessica, everyone in this area do not worth more than 100 and I would pay Jessica more than 200. The only one I seen recently in ATL are Wynter, Miley Fox, the 4'9" in Kennesaw area, Ashley angles and few other in last two years. None of these girls worth more than 120. I would pay 300 for southern playmate girls I believe Jessica was one of them back in the days. Miley Fox is always clean with beautiful face and fat. Plus her BF sits outside in the car so I would never munch on her, LOL. Everyone else I saw here not worth repeating. I din't even remember the names of girls I seen here but 99% of them don't worth more than 100. Jessica does, LOL.
All the links show faces clearly. You might want to take a look at the tiny pics in the first and third links, especially the third link. Besides the pics being tiny, they don't show the woman's face.
If you fell over dead in front of them, 90-99.9% of these women would steal all your money and credit cards and depending on where your corpse was, might call 911 after maxing out your CC or might leave you there.Yes, exactly that.
So In summary, Jessica is good, you like Jessica, Jessica is worth lots of money. Rest are not, except a few, but Jessica is great, worth every penny. Jessica.
That about sum it up?
Did you monger any of three? Is there any review them on TER or USASG? I would rather have a review from trusted member. Anyway, I don't want to get into endless argument for no reason, it is just waste of time for all of us.
Other than Jessica, I ran into a gem a while back here in backpage days. Her name was Angela and she was visiting from Alabama (but had no southern accent). She was one of the best other than Jessica, everyone in this area do not worth more than 100 and I would pay Jessica more than 200. The only one I seen recently in ATL are Wynter, Miley Fox, the 4'9" in Kennesaw area, Ashley angles and few other in last two years. None of these girls worth more than 120. I would pay 300 for southern playmate girls I believe Jessica was one of them back in the days. Miley Fox is always clean with beautiful face and fat. Plus her BF sits outside in the car so I would never munch on her, LOL. Everyone else I saw here not worth repeating. I din't even remember the names of girls I seen here but 99% of them don't worth more than 100. Jessica does, LOL.
So In summary, Jessica is good, you like Jessica, Jessica is worth lots of money. Rest are not, except a few, but Jessica is great, worth every penny. Jessica.
That about sum it up?I haven't seen her in a while and I was simply describing my experience and you seems to model type shit for $80. Good for you and have a nice day. Keep the shit real.
This forum is all about information sharing. The good, the bad and the ugly.
BTW never mentioned $80 - not even once LOL.
Stay safe, have fun.
I haven't seen her in a while and I was simply describing my experience and you seems to model type shit for $80. Good for you and have a nice day. Keep the shit real.
BenedickDover
03-20-20, 12:13
I actually saw a provider in Alpharetta that was different than any other escort I had ever met. I accidentally gave her too much money. When she got there, she counted and asked me how much I had intended to give her. She then recounted it and gave me $20 back. I was shocked beyond belief and almost fainted. I then proceeded to have an amazing experience with this provider. She was not a clock watcher at all. She made me wash my hands and use mouthwash before we began and she did the same. She looked and smelled great, with an especially pretty pussy. Pretty face, perky tits, thick hips / thighs. She made out with me, let me go down on her, gave great BBBJ deep throat, said that wouldn't do bb sex (which I wouldn't want anyway with any provider) but her pussy was still very wet and tight, & she allowed me to take the condom off and finish on her face / tits. The rates were pretty decent / standard. (150 half, I intended to give her 160 but accidentally gave her 180) I just thought that I would share my experience because it was with a provider that seemed to care about more than just taking my money. I am going to try to find her ad to share. I don't remember what her name was but I think it was either Felicity or Chasity (was early last year that we met).
An excellent explanation of how the coronavirus works:
https://youtu.be/BtN-goy9VOY
Be safe.
I actually saw a provider in Alpharetta that was different than any other escort I had ever met. I accidentally gave her too much money. When she got there, she counted and asked me how much I had intended to give her. She then recounted it and gave me $20 back. I was shocked beyond belief and almost fainted. I then proceeded to have an amazing experience with this provider. She was not a clock watcher at all. She made me wash my hands and use mouthwash before we began and she did the same. She looked and smelled great, with an especially pretty pussy. Pretty face, perky tits, thick hips / thighs. She made out with me, let me go down on her, gave great BBBJ deep throat, said that wouldn't do bb sex (which I wouldn't want anyway with any provider) but her pussy was still very wet and tight, & she allowed me to take the condom off and finish on her face / tits. The rates were pretty decent / standard. (150 half, I intended to give her 160 but accidentally gave her 180) I just thought that I would share my experience because it was with a provider that seemed to care about more than just taking my money. I am going to try to find her ad to share. I don't remember what her name was but I think it was either Felicity or Chasity (was early last year that we met).Let us know, please. Or better yet, just PM me so these other guys don't wear her out!
MassageAwesome
03-27-20, 23:29
I can see it now.
Asking a monger.
"hey, you just survived the COVID-19 war. What are you going to do now".
Monger: "I'm going to. Get a massage. ".
LOL can I get an amen?
HobbyMan51
03-28-20, 01:48
I can see it now.
Asking a monger.
"hey, you just survived the COVID-19 war. What are you going to do now".
Monger: "I'm going to. Get a massage. ".
LOL can I get an amen?That's if we have any money left to spend after the over-reactors ruin our financial lives. But we were safe, by god!
Aaron Hamlet
03-28-20, 16:16
And she also said she didn't usually see AA men but started to see them again but you were the last. It sucks they go through this everyday but I just suggest you guys just FaceTime her like I did to see if she is real and if you guys kick off well and you feel it then go for it, she definitely changed my mind about these reviews, I might go back and look at some providers who I've skipped over because I read a bad review but that's only if ms Chanel Iris isn't in town, take care and stay clean guys!
P.S. She is great at dominating.
404-XXX-5478.
Chaneliris.com
https://www.eros.com/georgia/atlanta/files/7811829.htm?cat=1
First post, this long. Its her pimp. Word is he stays close and always packing. He's lying and blaming on black dudes. Her and pimp going to rip you off
Johnny Mapalo
03-28-20, 16:38
This is either Iris or some simp posting a review.
Posted post of messages from the day it happened.She says, "Can you give me another $250" when she hasn't even done shit for the 1st $250. Double LOL. I wonder where those guys are that always try to downtalk me for only spending 60 bones and expecting the world out of these girls. Where are those guys who say, you can't get nothing good for under $100. What did this guy get for $250? Nothing but blue balls and a stern "fuck you". I hope you big spender guys team up and repay Taco Tuesday for his $250 that he got ripped off for. You guys owe it to him.
It's naive guys like yall that make dudes like Mr. Taco overspend on rip off chic's, thinking that just because they have a high price tag that means that they must have good service. Money spent does not equate to good service. Let this be a lesson to all you dudes on here. Had Mr. Taco spent $60 bones and gotten ripped off, he would have just gone about his business and not worry about that minor loss, cause he only would have been in there for 15 minutes tops anyways.
That Eros site is a joke. Overpriced garbage!
Is it just me or has the quality of providers been in the dumps lately? I'm talking like for the past 6 months or so across all platforms from SA all the way down to STG! Hell even most of the strolls are shit holes these days. I'm finding myself more often than not left on a weekend night with little to no options and nothing really even on the horizon. Maybe it's me losing my mojo or something but I'd thought I just ask you guys. From the whole fake pics down to the cash app for deposit, I'm beginning to get a little fed up with the hobby honestly SMH.
Chanel get on somewhere! We now know the truth!I was reading this thinking the same thing Lmaoooooooo!
Is it just me or has the quality of providers been in the dumps lately? I'm talking like for the past 6 months or so across all platforms from SA all the way down to STG! Hell even most of the strolls are shit holes these days. I'm finding myself more often than not left on a weekend night with little to no options and nothing really even on the horizon. Maybe it's me losing my mojo or something but I'd thought I just ask you guys. From the whole fake pics down to the cash app for deposit, I'm beginning to get a little fed up with the hobby honestly SMH.I feel you on this! It's just not what it use to be.
KingSlayer22
03-28-20, 18:46
Is it just me or has the quality of providers been in the dumps lately? I'm talking like for the past 6 months or so across all platforms from SA all the way down to STG! Hell even most of the strolls are shit holes these days. I'm finding myself more often than not left on a weekend night with little to no options and nothing really even on the horizon. Maybe it's me losing my mojo or something but I'd thought I just ask you guys. From the whole fake pics down to the cash app for deposit, I'm beginning to get a little fed up with the hobby honestly SMH.They are out there, most of the known good providers are slinging good times. I think a lot of you guys are thinking the new TGTBT are real LOL. Always scammers out there but the main stay of good providers want clients.
CuriousJorge
03-28-20, 19:18
Fellas let's refrain from telling the ladieus about this site. I like a clean unbiased spot to talk and give reviews but if a girl is aware of this site then I get a bit precarious About the validity of comments made for said girl. If she finds it thru her own volition's, cool but if we telling. Then is it helping or harming?
I was reading this thinking the same thing Lmaoooooooo!
Remove those pics from your ad? They certainly aren't helping business.I've asked several ladies that same question and each one came back with a diatribe about how they weren't told that once they uploaded a picture there was no getting it back or getting away from it. Apparently they can delete the account, change phone numbers and generally do everything they do after they've come to you in a bind asking you to prepay in exchange for unfettered access to the Wholly Land at a later time (TBD, of course) but when TBD shows up they decide to only issue passports to Wholly Land tourists sporting today's crisp new American Dollars. . . . {not that I'm bitter about that s*it or anything. . . }.
I think the more practical solution might be to band together and ask for current versions of something like this Proof of Life (http://projectfandom.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Olivia-Ransom-Video-e1423252504200.jpg) pics. . . Without all those pesky closes, of course.
Fellas let's refrain from telling the ladieus about this site. I like a clean unbiased spot to talk and give reviews but if a girl is aware of this site then I get a bit precarious About the validity of comments made for said girl. If she finds it thru her own volition's, cool but if we telling. Then is it helping or harming?I think that (w) hoRse has already left the incall, especially since it seems to be well known that you can access he posts without having to register as a member. I suggest a different approach: every member tell every gal they see that they post under the name "Kyrow". From what I can see, he seems to get all the p*why seems only fair he take the most heat. . .
(hope every one ses the above was typed in pure jest and with nothing but pure envy and complete admiration for Kyrow's exploits. As a newby, I truly appreciate his and the other members who chose to give the finger to fiscal responsibility and instead boldly go where ever their lurid desires lead them (and compel them to come back and write it all up for us commoners). On a serious note, tho, I think I may be missing something about ladies having access in that it seems to me the only reason you'd have to worry about your favorite BBBJ provider goin' Lorena Bobbitt on you because of something you posted is that you told her your handle. Effnonit ain't going to effndoit so he says let them ready eveything so they can adjust rates and give up on CBJ all all that stuff I hate without me having to tell them.).
MikeRowland67
03-29-20, 13:46
As I said "if it was you" if it wasn't then why would you say it's not true? I don't respect you all calling me a Pimp either my company probably Made more than your family's past 3 generations combined last year alone.
This is either Iris or some simp posting a review.
Posted post of messages from the day it happened.
MikeRowland67
03-29-20, 14:14
I don't, I just explained my visit, I made sure I said take your own risk but all I know is I didn't get scammed out of $250. I got my money's worth so idk what it was that made our visits different.
I definitely smell BS! Anyone else smell the same?
MikeRowland67
03-29-20, 14:19
Whatever Mr. Taco did must have been weird because I spent 400 and had fun plus got drinks and a dance show so what is there to say on that. & I have definitely gotten ultimately satisfied with even $50 so it goes both ways but of course I try find cheap first but they are always not too well taken care of if you ask me.
She says, "Can you give me another $250" when she hasn't even done shit for the 1st $250. Double LOL. I wonder where those guys are that always try to downtalk me for only spending 60 bones and expecting the world out of these girls. Where are those guys who say, you can't get nothing good for under $100. What did this guy get for $250? Nothing but blue balls and a stern "fuck you". I hope you big spender guys team up and repay Taco Tuesday for his $250 that he got ripped off for. You guys owe it to him.
It's naive guys like yall that make dudes like Mr. Taco overspend on rip off chic's, thinking that just because they have a high price tag that means that they must have good service. Money spent does not equate to good service. Let this be a lesson to all you dudes on here. Had Mr. Taco spent $60 bones and gotten ripped off, he would have just gone about his business and not worry about that minor loss, cause he only would have been in there for 15 minutes tops anyways.
That Eros site is a joke. Overpriced garbage!
MikeRowland67
03-29-20, 14:23
First of all I have references that I'm not a "pimp" so that's that. And secondly I clarified that I just created it because I felt inclined after reading about mr tacos experience. Somebody just had to see the other side. Now they have both to choose from. I am never for a provider robing a hard working man like myself but as I said I've has less stress just paying getting and going. & FYI I am black too, she just said she didn't want to but she said she still is so ask before you start bashing people for commenting. And I'm so sorry for having my first post so long after reading a long post myself.
First post, this long. Its her pimp. Word is he stays close and always packing. He's lying and blaming on black dudes. Her and pimp going to rip you off
TacoTuesday1
03-29-20, 15:42
I don't, I just explained my visit, I made sure I said take your own risk but all I know is I didn't get scammed out of $250. I got my money's worth so idk what it was that made our visits different.
Obviously this is Iris. She has golden pussy syndrome
MikeRowland67
03-29-20, 16:07
Didn't you post the pic of the other messages? Why are you texting her acting like a new person. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
Obviously this is Iris. She has golden pussy syndrome
So today I saw a review on my new provider Chanel Iris. I have scheduled with her since last week and was finally able to meet her today. I think God that I Chose the benefit of the doubt and ignored this guys review.
She did some of the few things that I've read which was meet me in the lobby at an apartment in buckhead 2 minutes from Lenox square mall. She then patted me down to make sure I have no weapons which is good, I am actually glad to see that somebody does that because that was a first and it makes sense. We then went into her room to where I then proceeded to put my donation down on the counter (I have learned that when they realize you put the money down and not fool around, they then get comfortable knowing you're not trying to rob them or you're not LE.
She then counts the donation and put it somewhere and return and tells me to get comfortable. I got comfortable and she did the same, to my opinion, might I add; Chanel is the most gorgeous provider that I have been with personally. This honestly was a life changing experience to be with somebody who was actually the picture and as beautiful as her, her rack is so perfect and she is so petite and slim with a nice big backside and she looks like she belongs in a movie but anyways LOL I finished quite fast because I couldn't hold myself together if you know what I mean but there was time left over together so she suggested we went in her living room she turned on some cool flashing lights and gave me a show on her stripper pole she also gave me a glass of white wine and a bottle water,(at this point I knew something had to be off with the review I read earlier or something was missing from it).
I then asked her if she had reviews and she says she has no clue, she doesn't care about reviews because she is the one not missing out which is very clever to me, yet very true, and that's why I'm here to be the bearer of good news to be able to allow you all what I experienced. Coincidentally she did mention one guy about a day or two ago that vowed to put bad reviews on every platform there is because she kicked him out for getting aggressive and grabbing her because she wouldn't do bb after they agreed that she wouldn't, like dude come on corona is going on, we are dudes but let's still be precautious and safe. She even Showed me text of him threatening reviews which is really sad and not just from one number because she said she blocked him. But if it's the same guy, and you are reading this DUDE JUST TREAT THEM GOOD AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU. And she also said she didn't usually see AA men but started to see them again but you were the last. It sucks they go through this everyday but I just suggest you guys just FaceTime her like I did to see if she is real and if you guys kick off well and you feel it then go for it, she definitely changed my mind about these reviews, I might go back and look at some providers who I've skipped over because I read a bad review but that's only if ms Chanel Iris isn't in town, take care and stay clean guys!
P.S. She is great at dominating.
404-XXX-5478.
Chaneliris.com
https://www.eros.com/georgia/atlanta/files/7811829.htm?cat=1Only 2 posts (not that I have a ton) and suggesting everyone ignore the warnings on the board. Not sure this is a real hobbyist or someone in the provider's pocket. The review could be real but timing is too suspect to be taken seriously.
MikeRowland67
03-29-20, 16:37
Makes sense. Well I'm sorry for being detailed guys. If she did rob you taco Tuesday sucks but I had a good time. You guys be cautious.
Only 2 posts (not that I have a ton) and suggesting everyone ignore the warnings on the board. Not sure this is a real hobbyist or someone in the provider's pocket. The review could be real but timing is too suspect to be taken seriously.
CuriousJorge
03-29-20, 19:59
I like your approach about. Interested to see other people thoughts on this as well.
I think that (w) hoRse has already left the incall, especially since it seems to be well known that you can access he posts without having to register as a member. I suggest a different approach: every member tell every gal they see that they post under the name "Kyrow". From what I can see, he seems to get all the p*why seems only fair he take the most heat. . .
(hope every one ses the above was typed in pure jest and with nothing but pure envy and complete admiration for Kyrow's exploits. As a newby, I truly appreciate his and the other members who chose to give the finger to fiscal responsibility and instead boldly go where ever their lurid desires lead them (and compel them to come back and write it all up for us commoners). On a serious note, tho, I think I may be missing something about ladies having access in that it seems to me the only reason you'd have to worry about your favorite BBBJ provider goin' Lorena Bobbitt on you because of something you posted is that you told her your handle. Effnonit ain't going to effndoit so he says let them ready eveything so they can adjust rates and give up on CBJ all all that stuff I hate without me having to tell them.).
I like your approach about. Interested to see other people thoughts on this as well.Thanks, CJ. After I submitted the original post it dawned on me that it relies to some degree on the assumption there is a certain level of solidarity amongst the Brotherhood. First time a provider offers some kind of freebie (the equivalent of pressing play on "I think we're alone now") everyone needs to stand still for this to work, it only takes a few Bendict Arnolds wanting to gyrate like it's 10 minutes into a 15 min qv to ruin the party for the rest of us. Not the best analogy but I thought of the flaw when I remembed this clip from Ted2:
Ted 2 Scene - "I Think We're Alone Now" Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFdfUqiXX1k)
Member #6047
03-29-20, 21:06
On a serious note, tho, I think I may be missing something about ladies having access in that it seems to me the only reason you'd have to worry about your favorite BBBJ provider goin' Lorena Bobbitt on you because of something you posted is that you told her your handle. I think most of the providers can put 2+2 together and figure out who you are. I've had one text me not long after a negative review. To her credit, this particular provider invited me back no charge in order to fix things, so there are positive aspects to providers knowing about it.
I'm thinking people aren't so much concerned with retribution as they are having a flood of fake reviews hit the site. Although, to be fair, the ones that do creep in are pretty easy to spot.
I know you needled Kyrow a bit, and sometimes his enthusiasm gets the best of him, but I'm grateful for his posts. The volume of reports seems to have diminished greatly in the last few months. He's one of the few mongers here giving info. For us folks without a black book full of numbers and years of experience, this info is invaluable.
Barrytwins
03-29-20, 22:12
Gentlemen, why the hell are so many of you still paying full price? Do you not understand YOU are in control? These girls are hurting. A couple of my regulars are saying they arw seeing a quarter of the guys now. Take advantage of the situation! Call them, make them an offer, let them counter them you make a counter. Is it 100%, of course not but when I have someone who tells me 300 and an hour later she calls me and tells me she'll meet for 50, that's a win. Don't be desperate and take control. Use these idiot "dating" sites. Tagged is a gold mine. I have a girl I pick up (10 minutes from my house) and take to work (5 minutes from my house) and she blows me. She even gave her sister and her friend my info. Yeah, I'll drop you off at Walmart if I'm not busy for a BBBJCIM. Just be smart. I'm done.
I think most of the providers can put 2+2 together and figure out who you are. I've had one text me not long after a negative review. To her credit, this particular provider invited me back no charge in order to fix things, so there are positive aspects to providers knowing about it. I'm thinking people aren't so much concerned with retribution as they are having a flood of fake reviews hit the site. Although, to be fair, the ones that do creep in are pretty easy to spot.I agree that trying to remain secret is a short term play at best, so I personally just assume everyone (including providers and my mom if she could get off Amazon long enough) is going to see everything I post and know I did it, so I better be ready to defend what I say whether it be here, in a motel room or at dinner with mom. I realize I haven't posted reviews yet (got a couple in the works and need to get on that) but I have posted in other forums and experienced some form of backlash (pouting, whining, sudden case of Aunt Flo after only 6-9 days since I unexpectedly got Greek thanks to auntie, etc.) from a not-to-happy-service-provider the next go round. Way I see it, that's proof that specific provider defines the GFE as including the kind of experiences that have kept me single 'lo these many years. Time to search for one with a definition only including the good sh*t.
And I also agree that fake reviews are a potential problem, as are other practices that can lead to what amounts to deceptive advertising (on the west coast a lot of providers offer discounts on the next visit from a guy that posts a favorable review). One thing I believe might help with the weeding out process is having a review index thread a thread that lists each provider that has been reviewed here and compiles links to those reviews. There was something like that on the west coast forum I participated in and it was real timesaver and great resource when it came time to research a potential new adventure. Unless I've completely missed something there's nothing like that here so basically every monger has to start from scratch (or be a member of the Sr. Member info sharing league, an August body to which I hereby tender my membership application).
I know you needled Kyrow a bit, and sometimes his enthusiasm gets the best of him, but I'm grateful for his posts. The volume of reports seems to have diminished greatly in the last few months. He's one of the few mongers here giving info. For us folks without a black book full of numbers and years of experience, this info is invaluable.I appreciate Kyrow's posts as well, and tried to convey as much in my post (see below). Got to admit, though, that after re-reading my original post I can see how the jest part may get lost in the shuffle. Sometimes my fingers don't keep up with my brain and proofing only catches so much. I'll work on that, as well as posting those reviews I owe.
(hope every one ses the above was typed in pure jest and with nothing but pure envy and complete admiration for Kyrow's exploits. As a newby, I truly appreciate his and the other members who chose to give the finger to fiscal responsibility and instead boldly go where ever their lurid desires lead them (and compel them to come back and write it all up for us commoners) On a serious note, tho, I think I may be missing something about ladies having access in that it seems to me the only reason you'd have to worry about your favorite BBBJ provider goin' Lorena Bobbitt on you because of something you posted is that you told her your handle. .
CuriousJorge
03-30-20, 22:12
Your witticisms are hard to follow some times but I get ya LOL. Ultimately, what I don't like are simps out here putting simp like reviews (this is mainly for traveling mongers or uninformed mongers) then providers taking those reviews to post on their listings using them as "evidence of good / fair priced" service. That shit annoys me and Fucks it up for everyone in the game.
Thanks, CJ. After I submitted the original post it dawned on me that it relies to some degree on the assumption there is a certain level of solidarity amongst the Brotherhood. First time a provider offers some kind of freebie (the equivalent of pressing play on "I think we're alone now") everyone needs to stand still for this to work, it only takes a few Bendict Arnolds wanting to gyrate like it's 10 minutes into a 15 min qv to ruin the party for the rest of us. Not the best analogy but I thought of the flaw when I remembed this clip from Ted2:
Ted 2 Scene - "I Think We're Alone Now" Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFdfUqiXX1k)
WholeThang448
03-31-20, 09:26
You are a seriously troubled man. Guys like you are the reason so many of these women have no qualms about ripping us off. You give clients a bad name.I'm going to continue to give them the minimum. I could careless about any of these girls.
WholeThang448
03-31-20, 09:28
You are a seriously troubled man. Guys like you are the reason so many of these women have no qualms about ripping us off. You give clients a bad name.Bet they won't send you a dime at any time LOL.
Game Cock Too
03-31-20, 15:10
Obviously this is Iris. She has golden pussy syndromeTaco, did you text Chanel from another phone pretending to be another client and question her tactics, and to share what info you read about her robbing people? If so, I now understand. She probably stopped responding to your original number. I thought that Eros verified providers. Maybe she was legit at one point. Regardless, your posted text message kinda supports your story more more than the other monger. Most of these ladies probably do not know that there's a board for sharing info, and she probably thought that losing one client wasn't a big deal (Hey, a quick $250 made in under one minute and she didn't even have to do anything? Jackpot).
Years ago I went to visit a provider, got to her room and paid a qv donation. She said that she needed to go to another room to give her friend money or get a condom. I can't remember exactly because it was so long ago. So she leaves the room and I'm sitting there waiting for her to come back. After about 5 minutes or more, I realized that she wasn't coming back. I peeked outside and ghost, but I'm still in the room, with her packed belongings, and her pimps Jordans, which became MY Jordans when I left. I actually tossed them in the trash at a nearby gas station. I never did receive a call or message asking "where did you go? If it wasn't a scam, she would've called back looking for me.
Doitritenow
04-01-20, 14:00
Are a N95 mask, rubber gloves, and tyvec suit, w / junior sheathed in long condom enough?
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CuriousJorge
04-02-20, 12:32
Links aren't working, any others?
These links work in the "Preview Report" window. If they don't work here, f**k it (it wasn't worth this much effort).
ButtonFly HazMattie
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Links aren't working, any others?Not sure what's up with the links in the prior posts. . . They're coded just like ones worked for me in other posts. . . Anyway, these are coded just like the examples in the FAQ about posting images, except they link to the pics posted elsewhere on the web (the earlier links were my trying to upload to this site). If they don't work I'm giving up.
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I have never had any issues with her & have always had great service. Her negatives are her looks, she has gained some weight due to her cancer fight. I go for the BBBJ with the swallow, also if she is comfortable with you she will rim you. I'm into prostate play & will bring one of my toys with me & have her play with prostate & rim me, then finish with a BBBJ.
I been telling people she's not pretty. She looks older than her age posted. I respect people have preferences, but you honestly didn't miss anything at all. In addition to her being ugly, she's fake and does shady crap. You didn't lie brother. Glad people are starting to see that she's not worth going to see.
I'm not sure what people are seeing there. I mean, she's missing a breast, her ad mentions that her feet are in bad shape, and she doesn't seem to have eyebrows (I'm kinda missing why anyone would want that when there's other options available.
Trust me when I say this, you did NOT miss out on much not seeing Katie. Her pictures are NOT a true representation of what you will see. I saw her once based on reviews by some of her fans here but was not impressed with her looks. Her service was just ok.
Surprised to hear this about Katie. There was a time about a year ago that I saw her 3-4 times in a month. She was great then. I stopped going when I picked up the big "G" I had seen 3 other providers during that time too and was not sure so I stopped seeing them all.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm starting to be able to laugh about it thanks to my telling me to keep imagining my panicked run to the car as one of those scenes the old Benny Hill Show. And funny you should mention using a Google voice number to try to setup a new setup with Katie. I'll have a "Lucy holds the football for Charlie Brown at Thanksgiving" story about my effort in that regard coming to you soon.I read all these posts and thought surely tossing in a couple spreadsheets and my two cents worth would surely make things better. So, here 'tis:
First, let's get the Newbie issue dealt with: Yes, Effnonit became a member of this Forum on December 31,2019, a mere 96 days ago (assuming this posts on 4/6/2020). This will be his 29th post, and he readily admits that two of the 28 posts under his belt (7% for those keeping score) are enthusiastic endorsements of Katie's BBBJ virtuosity ([u]2020-03-05 Check out Katie for white lightskin BBBJ with facial[ / you], post #11354 (http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3700-Escort-Reports&p=4693460&viewfull=1#post4693460); and [u]2020-02-20: Katie Does Indeed Stand Out[ / you], Post, #11185 (http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3700-Escort-Reports&p=4671472&viewfull=1#post4671472)). The remaining 26 posts (93%) have ranged far and wide because that's what Effnonit had to say at the time he was effnonit. Effnonit appreciates the value of questioning gushing praise from a newbie directed at a specific provider when that is all the newbie is focused on or has to say. Read the 93% of Effnonit posts that have nothing to do with Katie and a reasonable person could easily conclude a lot of things (Effnonit's verbose, grammatically sloppy, often a bore, refers to himself in the third person like he POTUS himself, and even sometimes drifts off in mid sente. . .) . . . But a newbie Effnonit ain't.
Second, lets see the homework Effnonit did before deciding to have his first visit with Katie (and updated today in response to the current hubbub) : Attached should be images or something involving three different documents as follow:
(1) A Catalogue of every Katie Related Review(ish) Post in this thread between June-2019 and 14:49 today (April 5, 2020). Listed chronologically with the newest at the top, and only including posts indicating the author had some kind of firsthand knowledge of what they were talking about (I. E. , it excludes people asking questions or commenting on something where its obvious they have never met Katie themselves). The column labeled "Category" is my interpretation of the overall tenor of the specific post. The individual categories are described at the top of the next two documents.
(2) The Good to Good(ish) Posts Those parts of the all-inclusive list that had posts that met the "Good" criteria described at the top.
(3) The Bad to Bad(ish) Posts You get the point.
Ok, so whats Effnonit's point? Simple, really: everyone likes what they like, a lot of people don't like what others like, some people want one thing and could care less about something else, and versa visa. With all due respect to Kyrow and SgtSoros, the state of Katie's feet and whether her pictures are accurate do not concern Effnonit in the least because it has no bearing whatsoever on the enjoyment Effnonit gets from the services she provides him (specifically, concierge 5 star BBBJCIM and quirky companionship while he recovers for Round 2)). Likewise, the fact that Effnonit doesn't care should not in any way diminish the fact that Kyrow and SgtSoros do about what concerns them. Some people are after FS, some Greek, some BBBJ, some prostate play, some rim play, some probably something Effnonit doesn't really want to imagine. That's between them, their provider and the NSA recording the event. Effnonit focuses on getting his BBBJCIM, but his thoughts and desires do sometimes stray when Katie's behind comes into play. Katie's body may be heavier than some like, but it often stirs Effnonit's loins that's all he cares about. Simply put (for a change), who is Effnonit or anyone else to tell a monger that hasn't visited Katie whether they should or should not?
Parting thoughts To anyone who says I am biased toward Katie, I emphatically state: No Sh*t Sherlock. Why wouldn't I be? I had my first visit with her on January twentysomething, 2020, and I went into it with full knowledge of everything posted in this thread up to a couple days beforehand (I. E. , every post on the list from Jan. 14,2020 back to June 2, 2019). Guess what? Turns out some of what I had learned from those posts was spot on, a lot wasn't, and a lot maybe / maybe not. In the aftermath of that first visit I found it easy to conclude that for what I was after she was a great fit for me, and I was looking forward to the next visit. I've had a respectable number of "next visits" with Katie since then, and spent most of today with a bounce in my step as a result of the one I had this morning. Woman did me right. That's all I gots to say about that.
Okay, I'm done now. Thanks for listening. Let me have it.
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I don't know about what other mongers are see / hearing out there but suddenly all the batshit crazy ladies are coming out of the woodwork. For example. I am on a call with a client scheduling some work and negotiating when I would be onsite. I get a text from one of my ex SB's. I mean one that I have not spoken with in probably 15 months, asking me to call her about an important issue. So I read the text and go back to focusing on my client. This is not a short call with my client, it ends after about 2. 5 hours. At that point I look and I have 5 more texts for this SB and 2 other ex SB's that were not even SB's more like 'one pump and dump' dates.
So I walkout side and call first SB. She is desperate for cash, because she is behind on her utilities and needs gas and food. Can she get some cash to help out, any amount will help. I point out to her that she broke it off because she felt unpaid for her time and what she was providing. So I point out she should ask her family or friends for cash, I am not sending anything. Then she goings nuts. Says she is knows where I live (she doesn't) and will show up and tell my wife I am cheating on her. I calming tell her, 'do what you have to do, if you think blackmailing me is going to do anything but get you jail time your wrong. ' Then its the pleading and if I get a hotel / motel / room somewhere she will take care of me for some financial help. I'm like, '*****, you just threaten me with blackmail, why would I ever go near you again?' So I hang up and delete her and my burner number.
The other two were along the same line. "We had a great time, help me out for some fun. ".
The times are getting crazy out there brothers, be cautious with who you are banging and who you banged. It will only get crazier as more jobs are lost and money gets tighter because the Stimulus funds are slow in coming.
Jim.
Joesouncool
04-06-20, 13:15
I don't know about what other mongers are see / hearing out there but suddenly all the batshit crazy ladies are coming out of the woodwork. For example. I am on a call with a client scheduling some work and negotiating when I would be onsite. I get a text from one of my ex SB's. I mean one that I have not spoken with in probably 15 months, asking me to call her about an important issue. So I read the text and go back to focusing on my client. This is not a short call with my client, it ends after about 2. 5 hours. At that point I look and I have 5 more texts for this SB and 2 other ex SB's that were not even SB's more like 'one pump and dump' dates.
So I walkout side and call first SB. She is desperate for cash, because she is behind on her utilities and needs gas and food. Can she get some cash to help out, any amount will help. I point out to her that she broke it off because she felt unpaid for her time and what she was providing. So I point out she should ask her family or friends for cash, I am not sending anything. Then she goings nuts. Says she is knows where I live (she doesn't) and will show up and tell my wife I am cheating on her. I calming tell her, 'do what you have to do, if you think blackmailing me is going to do anything but get you jail time your wrong. ' Then its the pleading and if I get a hotel / motel / room somewhere she will take care of me for some financial help. I'm like, '*****, you just threaten me with blackmail, why would I ever go near you again?' So I hang up and delete her and my burner number.
The other two were along the same line. "We had a great time, help me out for some fun. ".
The times are getting crazy out there brothers, be cautious with who you are banging and who you banged. It will only get crazier as more jobs are lost and money gets tighter because the Stimulus funds are slow in coming.
Jim.It's not just the girls going crazy. People are stressed. I've had two friends die of heart attacks in short order, boom and dropped dead on the spot. We've had some breakins in our real estate development. Nobody could remember a recent breakin. We caught one guy. He told the police that he just didn't want to go home to his wife. Thankfully, his wife came and picked him up. Had somebody threaten to call the police on our golf course because people we had people playing golf, it's allowed. The guy was belligerent.
People are stressed. It shows. It's important for everyone to stay calm and keep your head about you while everyone else is losing theirs.
Stay safe!
So the Governor extended Stay at Home orders until end of May so I guess the Strip Club will stay close all of April and May boy these dancers about to start hurting if they already have.
So the Governor extended Stay at Home orders until end of May so I guess the Strip Club will stay close all of April and May boy these dancers about to start hurting if they already have.I cannot help but think of the long-term effects this pandemic may have on the strip club economy. It's not far-fetched in my mind that the industry could die.
From a consumer perspective, it's hard to imagine strip clubs recovering faster than its consumer base's ability to replenish disposable income. Which may happen long after clubs reopen, assuming some don't collapse before they can reopen. From a talent perspective, I'd expect many will get forced out if the upside significantly shrinks due to a much smaller money pool. From an owner perspective, this also means less revenue through cover charges, taxing dancers, and alcohol sales. Do the margins become thin enough to force many of these clubs to close?
If the larger economy isn't fully reopened until, say, the start of Fall, then maybe that recovery period (e. G. Folks catching up on back-rent, finding a new job because they were let go, etc.) bleeds into early next year. I just don't see how this industry which I assume receives no form of bailouts whatsoever survives what could be a 6-8 month lull in activity.
I'm likely missing something in this equation. Am I nuts here? Am I over-thinking this?
So the Governor extended Stay at Home orders until end of May so I guess the Strip Club will stay close all of April and May boy these dancers about to start hurting if they already haveStay until April 30 emergency management until middle may.
BigMoney21
04-09-20, 12:44
Apparently you haven't been to a strip club in some years most of those chicks have children and jobs where they receive W-2 forms so you do the math on that. And also most of those girls who dance at Follies have sugar daddies and trusted side dates they deal with outside of the club on a regular basis. I know this because these ho's tell me everything some it are lies but the majority is the truth chicks who dance at certain strip clubs have good money coming in regardless if they ain't there or not. Especially the ones who cater too quote on quote older white clientele. I asked them all the time why they get there money in that type of manner they tell me they like too hustle.
So the Governor extended Stay at Home orders until end of May so I guess the Strip Club will stay close all of April and May boy these dancers about to start hurting if they already have.
Stay until April 30 emergency management until middle may.Yea you correct I had read it wrong thanks.
I cannot help but think of the long-term effects this pandemic may have on the strip club economy. It's not far-fetched in my mind that the industry could die.
From a consumer perspective, it's hard to imagine strip clubs recovering faster than its consumer base's ability to replenish disposable income. Which may happen long after clubs reopen, assuming some don't collapse before they can reopen. From a talent perspective, I'd expect many will get forced out if the upside significantly shrinks due to a much smaller money pool. From an owner perspective, this also means less revenue through cover charges, taxing dancers, and alcohol sales. Do the margins become thin enough to force many of these clubs to close?
If the larger economy isn't fully reopened until, say, the start of Fall, then maybe that recovery period (e. G. Folks catching up on back-rent, finding a new job because they were let go, etc.) bleeds into early next year. I just don't see how this industry which I assume receives no form of bailouts whatsoever survives what could be a 6-8 month lull in activity.
I'm likely missing something in this equation. Am I nuts here? Am I over-thinking this?I totally agree with you on this and most of those dancers don't have regular job skills to find another job so who knows how this will turn out for Strip Club business but don't look good.
Did anyone see her? I'm thinking about it but don't want to spend lot of dough since sitting home and doing nothing. Please post it if anyone seen her.
Apparently you haven't been to a strip club in some years most of those chicks have children and jobs where they receive W-2 forms so you do the math on that. And also most of those girls who dance at Follies have sugar daddies and trusted side dates they deal with outside of the club on a regular basis. I know this because these ho's tell me everything some it are lies but the majority is the truth chicks who dance at certain strip clubs have good money coming in regardless if they ain't there or not. Especially the ones who cater too quote on quote older white clientele. I asked them all the time why they get there money in that type of manner they tell me they like too hustle.Not all strippers have this benefit I mean you got some who dance to try to pay for school and some that just can't do shit else especially in these rachet clubs like Blaze and Pinups those girls are hood chicks period I know I been there plenty of times. My point is the strip club business won't be the same after this Coronavirus shit.
And another thing most of these strippers are and were SW at some point.
Aaron Hamlet
04-11-20, 12:33
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus.
Johnny Mapalo
04-11-20, 14:02
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus.Government man-made hoax. If you believe a bunch of sick infected citizens boarded a plane from China and infected the whole world, then I got a girl advertising on Listcrawler that will let you bang her all night for a $100 Gift card from Walmart. LOL. You simps.
Did anyone see her? I'm thinking about it but don't want to spend lot of dough since sitting home and doing nothing. Please post it if anyone seen her.See my post in ripoffs, she is a good time, but once she gets back on the hard stuff I wouldn't recommend going near her.
CagerCoach
04-11-20, 18:32
There was a post in the Escort section from a guy with only 2 posts. It was about having sex with a girlfriend or friends friend to help with financial struggles. Ok, I took the bait and DM'd for the details. Holy crap guys! I hope none of you are taking this serious. The is a list of 20 things she will not do. The only two things are CBJ and CFS. This guy seriously said she would do a covered blowjob for $350. 😳128563;128563;. WTF!!
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus........and your point is what exactly?
Aaron Hamlet
04-11-20, 19:08
.......and your point is what exactly?They shut down the 40-50% of the economy. Ruined, bankrupt god knows how many small business'. My point should be self evident.
They shut down the 40-50% of the economy. Ruined, bankrupt god knows how many small business'. My point should be self evident.20,000 dead Americans with about 2,000 dying each day every day. All I'm saying.
3,000,000 Americans die on average every year that is 8,200 every day. If 100,000 people die from the Rona that's a 3% increase over a normal year.
Please stop fear mongering.
A2
HobbyMan51
04-11-20, 19:50
They shut down the 40-50% of the economy. Ruined, bankrupt god knows how many small business'. My point should be self evident.We will discover, in the bloody aftermath, that this was the greatest over-reaction in the history of mankind. We must never let them do this to us again. Never.
They shut down the 40-50% of the economy. Ruined, bankrupt god knows how many small business'. My point should be self evident.What would you do to mitigate a pandemic? The self evident part should be doing what's needed to keep those numbers from going up. If you or someone you care about falls to the virus, you'd be wondering why more wasn't done.
They shut down the 40-50% of the economy. Ruined, bankrupt god knows how many small business'. My point should be self evident.They had to shut down the economy they had no choice. If the President had acted in November, when his intelligence chiefs warned him of a pandemic crisis brewing in China that could spread to the U.S, we would be in a much better place. Unfortunately he has obfuscated and been in denial for three month’s.
A timeline of his denials.
January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine. ".
February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. ".
February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!
February 25: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus. ".
February 25: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away. They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine. ".
February 26: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. ".
February 26: "We're going very substantially down, not up. ".
February 27: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear. ".
February 28: "We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical. ".
March 2: "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?
March 2: "A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly. ".
March 4: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work some of them go to work, but they get better. ".
March 5: "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work. ".
March 5: "The United States. Has, as of now, only 129 cases. And 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!
March 6: "I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down. A tremendous job at keeping it down. ".
March 6: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful. The tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good. ".
March 6: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president. ".
March 6: "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. ".
March 8: "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus. ".
March 9: "This blindsided the world. ". Yea right!
Johnny Mapalo
04-11-20, 20:47
They shut down the 40-50% of the economy. Ruined, bankrupt god knows how many small business'. My point should be self evident.Corona virus is exxagerrate government man-made nonesence. It's fake! Trump was correct at 1st. Its the powers that be that wanted to shut down the economy. They stand to gain alot from this, not me and you.
See my post in ripoffs, she is a good time, but once she gets back on the hard stuff I wouldn't recommend going near her.Well, I saw her before I saw your post and it was not bad at all. She is as beautiful as she was in 2017 and my experience was pretty decent. Getting hold of her is little flaky but over all it was a good fuck. She was shower fresh and did not watch the clock. It is always nice to fuck someone who is clean and have good body and attitude. I always have good time with her. She is #4 in my all time favorite pussy I bought through these fuck sites.
On the side not, anytime you give money to these girls in advance, they take advantage of you. The only reason they are giving us pussy is money and if they can get without fucking you then they will. I have no illusion that they are fucking me because I'm a young and good looking stud. They sucking my shrimp dick or horsey dick because they need money and I believe most of them need it to feed some hobby. Anyone can make decent money to get by without fucking whole lot of johns.
Spewing CNN talking points is like wiping before you take a shit. Doesn't make any sense.
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus.True, turd percentages of the whole, but one death from the Chinese-born plague in this country is too much and we're setting new records. If even that one death was from your family, would you be proud that it originated from a stank, wet market in China? Hometown Chinese, open-air markets are filthy as hell. Same goes for other Asian countries. Korea, for example, had some really dirty markets in Seoul, Daegu, Inchon and Busan as late as 2005. They've done a good job of improving things, and Korea is much more advanced than China.
That said, it's one thing to consume "food" that is weird to us, yet it doesn't matter as long as it's clean. It's quite another that those foreign markets operate in such dirty conditions so as to foster breeding grounds for viruses and shit not yet defined that can infest the world.
I truly wish that the world powers would secretly impose sanctions or other actions that would have serious economic effects on China for the next 500 years. They deserve it.
HobbyMan51
04-12-20, 01:33
They had to shut down the economy they had no choice. If the President had acted in November, when his intelligence chiefs warned him of a pandemic crisis brewing in China that could spread to the U.S, we would be in a much better place. Unfortunately he has obfuscated and been in denial for three months.
A timeline of his denials.
January 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine. ".
February 2: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. ".
February 24: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!
February 25: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus. ".
February 25: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away. They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine. ".
February 26: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. ".
February 26: "We're going very substantially down, not up. ".
February 27: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear. ".
February 28: "We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical. ".
March 2: "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?
March 2: "A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly. ".
March 4: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work some of them go to work, but they get better. ".
March 5: "I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work. ".
March 5: "The United States. Has, as of now, only 129 cases. And 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!
March 6: "I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down. A tremendous job at keeping it down. ".
March 6: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful. The tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good. ".
March 6: "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president. ".
March 6: "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. ".
March 8: "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus. ".
March 9: "This blindsided the world. ". Yea right!Ya know, Sarge, when you take a man's comments out of context you can turn them into any kind of sound bite that you want. You spent a lot of time with that post. Sorry that you wasted all that time and energy. Next time please do some real investigative reporting and tell us why that witch Pelosi held onto the article of impeachment for so long. It couldn't be that she was holding them until just the right time to distract us with the impeachment farce while knowing a pandemic was brewing in China, could it? Nah, she wouldn't have done that, would she? I'll tell you something: you bet your ass she would. And did. You're an intelligent guy. Please focus on reality the next time. Thanks.
Spewing CNN talking points is like wiping before you take a shit. Doesn't make any sense.Nice rebuttal with the emphasis on butt. COVID-19 does not give a shit about which side of the political divide we both stand.
Our economy cannot be opened up until testing is widespread so we have an idea where this virus is spreading. So far less than 1 percent of the U.S. population has been tested for COVID-19.
We might find out that everyone has the virus just like The Walking Dead. A cure that kills the patient is no cure at all. Oh and just a thought. During this National Emergency our God given rights are under serious attack. It's sad that in my opinion our freedoms won't be taken at the point of a gun but with a whisper in the night. Stay safe. Semper fi.
Bigsqueeze
04-12-20, 08:40
I'm pretty confident the disease is no hoax. I've know several who had it, but luckily for them were young enough to stave it off. Myself?, anything flu-like makes me so sick I feel I have to get better to die. So, I'm distancing and watching porn; my FWB understands.
What troubles me is the how those in charge and those with all the buck $, like Gates want to mold society once we jump start things again. I'm not vaccinating immediately, nor am I testing to get a certificate that allows me to go out in public, as Dr. Fauci now hints. It disturbs me that they've ignored some obvious treatments, but then, its cheap and doesn't pad the pockets of big pharma.
I get how the "curve" needed to be flattened as not to overwhelm the health service industry. That was the point to the entire shutdown. But, time to crank things back up and find our new normal, fuck some women, and make some goddamn money!
Well, I saw her before I saw your post and it was not bad at all. She is as beautiful as she was in 2017 and my experience was pretty decent. Getting hold of her is little flaky but over all it was a good fuck. She was shower fresh and did not watch the clock. It is always nice to fuck someone who is clean and have good body and attitude. I always have good time with her. She is #4 in my all time favorite pussy I bought through these fuck sites.
On the side not, anytime you give money to these girls in advance, they take advantage of you. The only reason they are giving us pussy is money and if they can get without fucking you then they will. I have no illusion that they are fucking me because I'm a young and good looking stud. They sucking my shrimp dick or horsey dick because they need money and I believe most of them need it to feed some hobby. Anyone can make decent money to get by without fucking whole lot of johns.Yeah, you're right. I've been around way too long and am more mad at myself than her. I know to never give the money until the deed is done, but like I said I have seen her dozens of times so let my guard down. I have always had a problem of when it gets too GFE to treat it as more than a business transaction. She was always a great fuck, just wanted to let people know to be more careful around her. I'd love to be introduced to any of your top 3.
Ya know, Sarge, when you take a man's comments out of context you can turn them into any kind of sound bite that you want. You spent a lot of time with that post. Sorry that you wasted all that time and energy. Next time please do some real investigative reporting and tell us why that witch Pelosi held onto the article of impeachment for so long. It couldn't be that she was holding them until just the right time to distract us with the impeachment farce while knowing a pandemic was brewing in China, could it? Nah, she wouldn't have done that, would she? I'll tell you something: you bet your ass she would. And did. You're an intelligent guy. Please focus on reality the next time. Thanks.You guys can argue about who you prefer to wear the big red white and blue strap on while they fuck you up the ass all day if you want but do you realize you just dismissed every quote the president made with "that witch held on to the impeachment papers?" You literally said nothing explaining what he said. Please answer the question because I would love to know what you thought of his lines without deflecting to the other actors in the play. Put the quotes in context if you want, please tell me what "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear," means in the greater context of this unbelievable over reaction that we are watching play out on all news stations including Fox.
Ya know, Sarge, when you take a man's comments out of context you can turn them into any kind of sound bite that you want. You spent a lot of time with that post. Sorry that you wasted all that time and energy. Next time please do some real investigative reporting and tell us why that witch Pelosi held onto the article of impeachment for so long. It couldn't be that she was holding them until just the right time to distract us with the impeachment farce while knowing a pandemic was brewing in China, could it? Nah, she wouldn't have done that, would she? I'll tell you something: you bet your ass she would. And did. You're an intelligent guy. Please focus on reality the next time. Thanks.C’Mon Hobbyman does this chart reflect reality?
Our economy cannot be opened up until testing is widespread so we have an idea where this virus is spreading. So far less than 1 percent of the U.S. population has been tested for COVID-19.Yeah, we need widespread testing so we know where to focus treatment and isolation / quarantining. We also need LE to enforce compliance with social distancing. That will dictate how fast the economy can "re-open. "
Member #2227
04-12-20, 13:24
I'm dying here boys. 4 weeks in the house on top of each other. No quick visits to SiSi for a great massage, little Asian titties and a, hypothetically, a decent handjob. No rubratings girls, no business travel adventures. At this point, I'd pay $$ to sit 6 feet away from a sexy massage girl and stroke my little dick off. So. Please stop bickering about politics.
Johnny Mapalo
04-12-20, 14:41
Yeah, we need widespread testing so we know where to focus treatment and isolation / quarantining. We also need LE to enforce compliance with social distancing. That will dictate how fast the economy can "re-open. "Shit, why stop there. They should start yanking us out of our homes like they do in certain parts of China and force us into quarantine and compliance. Go ahead and microchip all of us so we can track who's been treated or not. Get rid of fiat money, because it can be contaminated. Separate the Jews from the Gentiles in these makeshift shelters. Do you peoples hear yourselves? I always thought the New World Order conspiracies were fake, but the more I look at what's going on today with you sheeple lining up to go to the slaughterhouse, I'm starting to believe that there's some real truth to that. This whole Corona farce seems like a really bad Hollywood movie.
I'm dying here boys. 4 weeks in the house on top of each other. No quick visits to SiSi for a great massage, little Asian titties and a, hypothetically, a decent handjob. No rubratings girls, no business travel adventures. At this point, I'd pay $$ to sit 6 feet away from a sexy massage girl and stroke my little dick off. So. Please stop bickering about politics.This is what it devolves to, when stuck at home and bombard 24 x 7 on TV and internet with the pandemic. Soon enough it will turn to economics and recovery (god help us then). Then the really politics debates start in September as we approach the general elections!
TechSticles
04-12-20, 16:36
Corona virus is exxagerrate government man-made nonesence. It's fake! Trump was correct at 1st. Its the powers that be that wanted to shut down the economy. They stand to gain alot from this, not me and you.You should stick to writing really long reviews about chicks. You're good at that. Clearly figuring out bigger shit is out of your grasp. Reading q-anon much?
Aaron Hamlet
04-12-20, 16:48
Current US death rates from China Virus:
0.00677093% of all Americans dead from China virus.
NY / NJ has over half of all US deaths. Heavy reliance on mass transit. Mega-metropolitan areas among other reasons. Their death rate from China virus: 0.04191071% of all NY / NJ citizens.
Back out NY / NJ numbers from all US deaths, US death rate from China virus at: 0.00333333% of all citizens.
State of Georgia stats from yesterday:
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus. **.
I've crunched those numbers further. Of the 433 deaths, 370 of those are in people 60 and over. Of that 370, (177) had listed comorbities. Diabetes, pre-diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, etc. Serious conditions where your health is at risk anyway. Not a cold, sinus congestion. To err on the side of caution I counted those listed with unknown comorbitities as w / o any.
Of the 63 deaths in Georgia from China virus in people 59 and younger, 40 are listed with comordities. Also counted the unknown comobitities as without though I feel many existed. The state of Georgia has had 23 healthy citizens under the age of 60 to die from China Virus. There are 10.62 million people living in Georgia.
These statistics posted come from private and public sources. Cross checked and cross referenced. Facts. Hard data.
For the sheeple out there who like to quote politicized 'experts' and their models of 2 million, 20 million China virus US dead and call for 12-18 months of quarantine until a vaccine, which may or may not come, please continue to be a sheeple. Branded, shoved into a corral with the rest of your herd and fed gruel over a fence by your benevolent leaders. But remember, many of these widely quoted 'experts' with their models are employed by others who seek taxpayer funds for research, tests and vaccine tests which may never come. Fear is a commodity they trade in to get millions, billions of taxpayer dollars.
Lock this country down for 12-18 months and more will die from other causes than China virus. The money printing needed to carry that off would likely result in Weimar Republic or a Zimbabwe type hyperinflation. You better pay $100 for that loaf of bread today cause tomorrow it's going to cost you $200. Better pay $500 for that 6 pack of Charmin, going to cost you $1,000 tomorrow.
TechSticles
04-12-20, 18:18
We have folks like you out there crunching the numbers for us. I'll stick to the experts in medical field. In the meantime, please. By all means. Go hug as many of your friends as possible. I'm all for thinning out the dummy herd during the pandemic.
Current US death rates from China Virus:
0.00677093% of all Americans dead from China virus.
NY / NJ has over half of all US deaths. Heavy reliance on mass transit. Mega-metropolitan areas among other reasons. Their death rate from China virus: 0.04191071% of all NY / NJ citizens.
Back out NY / NJ numbers from all US deaths, US death rate from China virus at: 0.00333333% of all citizens.
State of Georgia stats from yesterday:
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus. **.
I've crunched those numbers further. Of the 433 deaths, 370 of those are in people 60 and over. Of that 370, (177) had listed comorbities. Diabetes, pre-diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, etc. Serious conditions where your health is at risk anyway. Not a cold, sinus congestion. To err on the side of caution I counted those listed with unknown comorbitities as w / o any.
Of the 63 deaths in Georgia from China virus in people 59 and younger, 40 are listed with comordities. Also counted the unknown comobitities as without though I feel many existed. The state of Georgia has had 23 healthy citizens under the age of 60 to die from China Virus. There are 10.62 million people living in Georgia.
These statistics posted come from private and public sources. Cross checked and cross referenced. Facts. Hard data.
For the sheeple out there who like to quote politicized 'experts' and their models of 2 million, 20 million China virus US dead and call for 12-18 months of quarantine until a vaccine, which may or may not come, please continue to be a sheeple. Branded, shoved into a corral with the rest of your herd and fed gruel over a fence by your benevolent leaders. But remember, many of these widely quoted 'experts' with their models are employed by others who seek taxpayer funds for research, tests and vaccine tests which may never come. Fear is a commodity they trade in to get millions, billions of taxpayer dollars.
Lock this country down for 12-18 months and more will die from other causes than China virus. The money printing needed to carry that off would likely result in Weimar Republic or a Zimbabwe type hyperinflation. You better pay $100 for that loaf of bread today cause tomorrow it's going to cost you $200. Better pay $500 for that 6 pack of Charmin, going to cost you $1,000 tomorrow.
Aaron Hamlet
04-12-20, 19:29
I'm all for thinning out the dummy herd during the pandemic.Be careful what you wish for.
True, turd percentages of the whole, but one death from the Chinese-born plague in this country is too much and we're setting new records. If even that one death was from your family, would you be proud that it originated from a stank, wet market in China? Hometown Chinese, open-air markets are filthy as hell. Same goes for other Asian countries. Korea, for example, had some really dirty markets in Seoul, Daegu, Inchon and Busan as late as 2005. They've done a good job of improving things, and Korea is much more advanced than China.
That said, it's one thing to consume "food" that is weird to us, yet it doesn't matter as long as it's clean. It's quite another that those foreign markets operate in such dirty conditions so as to foster breeding grounds for viruses and shit not yet defined that can infest the world.
I truly wish that the world powers would secretly impose sanctions or other actions that would have serious economic effects on China for the next 500 years. They deserve it.Really? We should impose sanction on China for next 500 years? LOL. Well the Spanish flue originated in Kansas killed somewhere between 50 to 200 million people. So, everyone other country should have sanctioned US?? We live in a globalized world since 1600 when the Europeans went around and savaging all other continents and countries on this earth and bringing home all the wealth.
We should have better solution than sanction like good health care system in the best, badest and richest country in the world. We should be ready for pandemic like this and have some safe guards in place. This one is not going to be the last one.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/pandemic-timeline-1918.htm
TechSticles
04-12-20, 21:39
Be careful what you wish for.You have no idea.
Shit, why stop there. They should start yanking us out of our homes like they do in certain parts of China and force us into quarantine and compliance. Go ahead and microchip all of us so we can track who's been treated or not. Get rid of fiat money, because it can be contaminated. Separate the Jews from the Gentiles in these makeshift shelters. Do you peoples hear yourselves? I always thought the New World Order conspiracies were fake, but the more I look at what's going on today with you sheeple lining up to go to the slaughterhouse, I'm starting to believe that there's some real truth to that. This whole Corona farce seems like a really bad Hollywood movie.Must be a rant since there's no logic in what you said. Covid can be serious, as anyone sucking wind in a ventilator can attest to. That said, I don't shit if someone hits the panic button. It's like anything else, just roll with it.
We have folks like you out there crunching the numbers for us. I'll stick to the experts in medical field. In the meantime, please. By all means. Go hug as many of your friends as possible. I'm all for thinning out the dummy herd during the pandemic.Let me help you. This data is from the Italian Public Health ministry compiled from the cases they had.
In the age groups 10-40 the mortality rate of C-19 is. 02% that means out of every 100,000 people with confirmed cases in those age groups 20 will die.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics
Further the Italian medical authorities found that 99% of those that did die had pre-existing conditions, diabetes, obesity, asthma, heart disease, something like that. So that means that if we back that up to 90% (give it a margin of error) that of those 20 who died 2 of them wouldn't have had an underlying health risk.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
To represent that graphically the picture attached is the new River Plate stadium in the city of Buenos Aires Argentina. It's "official capacity" is 70,000 but since we are a third world country they routinly pack more than that into it. The most people who have ever been here was a super classico between River and Boca Jr's at 102,000 people. Using the numbers genuine, bone fide experts in the medical field if this stadium was packed to standing room only capacity of people between the ages of 10 and 40 and each and every one of them had been tested and was confirmed to have a real, honest to god, no shit, no fooling case of Covid 19 then exactly two of them would die not having underlying conditions.
Seriously, 2 people. Before you answer, this isn't Red Sox and Yankees the economy of the fucking world is in balance, you can look at the data and change your mind and start demanding change. Let's put the old people up in super luxury hotels and feed them caviar omelettes and give them foot rubs until there is a vaccine. I'm not saying they should die.
8,200 people a day die in the US every day. 3,000,000 people every year, if 100,000 more die from C-19 then it's only a 3% increase. This hysteria has to stop.
Oh, and if you filled the stadium up with people from 40-50 then 40 of them would die and 4 without underlying conditions.
If they were 50-60 (my group) 100 would did and 10 of them would have been healthy when they caught it.
Seriously, 2 people, that's not bullshit, you can run the numbers yourself. The media has you convinced C-19 is a death sentence like ebola, it's not.
A2.
HobbyMan51
04-12-20, 22:47
Let me help you. This data is from the Italian Public Health ministry compiled from the cases they had.
In the age groups 10-40 the mortality rate of C-19 is. 02% that means out of every 100,000 people with confirmed cases in those age groups 20 will die.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics
Further the Italian medical authorities found that 99% of those that did die had pre-existing conditions, diabetes, obesity, asthma, heart disease, something like that. So that means that if we back that up to 90% (give it a margin of error) that of those 20 who died 2 of them wouldn't have had an underlying health risk.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
To represent that graphically the picture attached is the new River Plate stadium in the city of Buenos Aires Argentina. It's "official capacity" is 70,000 but since we are a third world country they routinly pack more than that into it. The most people who have ever been here was a super classico between River and Boca Jr's at 102,000 people. Using the numbers genuine, bone fide experts in the medical field if this stadium was packed to standing room only capacity of people between the ages of 10 and 40 and each and every one of them had been tested and was confirmed to have a real, honest to god, no shit, no fooling case of Covid 19 then exactly two of them would die not having underlying conditions.
Seriously, 2 people. Before you answer, this isn't Red Sox and Yankees the economy of the fucking world is in balance, you can look at the data and change your mind and start demanding change. Let's put the old people up in super luxury hotels and feed them caviar omelettes and give them foot rubs until there is a vaccine. I'm not saying they should die.
8,200 people a day die in the US every day. 3,000,000 people every year, if 100,000 more die from C-19 then it's only a 3% increase. This hysteria has to stop.
Oh, and if you filled the stadium up with people from 40-50 then 40 of them would die and 4 without underlying conditions.
If they were 50-60 (my group) 100 would did and 10 of them would have been healthy when they caught it.
Seriously, 2 people, that's not bullshit, you can run the numbers yourself. The media has you convinced C-19 is a death sentence like ebola, it's not.
A2.Thank you. People need to understand the future ramifications of allowing the media, and to a certain extent the medical community, to frighten us into submission. They have finally proved how easy it is to bring life as we know it to a halt, something that is especially sinister when political agendas are attached. I completely agree that this hysteria must stop. We also must never let them do this to us again. I'll reply to your earlier reply to me tomorrow. Thanks again for the numbers breakdown. Very important to see.
Really? We should impose sanction on China for next 500 years? LOL. Well the Spanish flue originated in Kansas killed somewhere between 50 to 200 million people. So, everyone other country should have sanctioned US?? We live in a globalized world since 1600 when the Europeans went around and savaging all other continents and countries on this earth and bringing home all the wealth.
We should have better solution than sanction like good health care system in the best, badest and richest country in the world. We should be ready for pandemic like this and have some safe guards in place. This one is not going to be the last one.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/pandemic-timeline-1918.htmGuess you be a foreigner with limited Engrish, so I'll try to spell it out in simple terms since you are biased, can't read and can't comprehend.
1. The word was globalized in 1600? The US of A was a fledgling nation then, struggling to survive in small communities on the east coast.
2. The origins of Spanish flu (not flue, fuckstick) are unknown but thought to have originated from where else? China! US troops fighting in WWI brought it back from Europe.
3. I changed my mind. We should sanction whatever fuckstick country you came from since you don't appreciate this wonderful country and trash it when you think you have the balls to do so. Come to me and I will show you why you should not exist.
4. If you give an ounce of shit about your adopted country, then try giving a shit for once, not taking. My European ancestors came to this country, worked their balls off, never complained, and BUILT everything that your sorry ass enjoys. Instead of being a whiny, selfish pussy which my ancestors would kill for fun, why not step up to the plate and do something positive?
I bet not, since you are nothing more than a whiny punk. WE, the people, are tired of your shit kind. You need to GTFO.
The key here is testing! The U.S. now leads the world in COVID-19 cases/deaths. We have tested less than 1 percent of the U.S. population of 328 million. The 2.67 million people tested so far show 560,000 cases of COVID-19 with 22,000 deaths. Do the math and see what would happen if we don’t have stringent social distancing measures in place.
Current US death rates from China Virus:
0.00677093% of all Americans dead from China virus.
NY / NJ has over half of all US deaths. Heavy reliance on mass transit. Mega-metropolitan areas among other reasons. Their death rate from China virus: 0.04191071% of all NY / NJ citizens.
Back out NY / NJ numbers from all US deaths, US death rate from China virus at: 0.00333333% of all citizens.
State of Georgia stats from yesterday:
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus. **.
I've crunched those numbers further. Of the 433 deaths, 370 of those are in people 60 and over. Of that 370, (177) had listed comorbities. Diabetes, pre-diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, etc. Serious conditions where your health is at risk anyway. Not a cold, sinus congestion. To err on the side of caution I counted those listed with unknown comorbitities as w / o any.
Of the 63 deaths in Georgia from China virus in people 59 and younger, 40 are listed with comordities. Also counted the unknown comobitities as without though I feel many existed. The state of Georgia has had 23 healthy citizens under the age of 60 to die from China Virus. There are 10.62 million people living in Georgia.
These statistics posted come from private and public sources. Cross checked and cross referenced. Facts. Hard data.
For the sheeple out there who like to quote politicized 'experts' and their models of 2 million, 20 million China virus US dead and call for 12-18 months of quarantine until a vaccine, which may or may not come, please continue to be a sheeple. Branded, shoved into a corral with the rest of your herd and fed gruel over a fence by your benevolent leaders. But remember, many of these widely quoted 'experts' with their models are employed by others who seek taxpayer funds for research, tests and vaccine tests which may never come. Fear is a commodity they trade in to get millions, billions of taxpayer dollars.
Lock this country down for 12-18 months and more will die from other causes than China virus. The money printing needed to carry that off would likely result in Weimar Republic or a Zimbabwe type hyperinflation. You better pay $100 for that loaf of bread today cause tomorrow it's going to cost you $200. Better pay $500 for that 6 pack of Charmin, going to cost you $1,000 tomorrow.
Current US death rates from China Virus:
0.00677093% of all Americans dead from China virus.
NY / NJ has over half of all US deaths. Heavy reliance on mass transit. Mega-metropolitan areas among other reasons. Their death rate from China virus: 0.04191071% of all NY / NJ citizens.
Back out NY / NJ numbers from all US deaths, US death rate from China virus at: 0.00333333% of all citizens.
State of Georgia stats from yesterday:
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus. **.
I've crunched those numbers further. Of the 433 deaths, 370 of those are in people 60 and over. Of that 370, (177) had listed comorbities. Diabetes, pre-diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, etc. Serious conditions where your health is at risk anyway. Not a cold, sinus congestion. To err on the side of caution I counted those listed with unknown comorbitities as w / o any.
Of the 63 deaths in Georgia from China virus in people 59 and younger, 40 are listed with comordities. Also counted the unknown comobitities as without though I feel many existed. The state of Georgia has had 23 healthy citizens under the age of 60 to die from China Virus. There are 10.62 million people living in Georgia.
These statistics posted come from private and public sources. Cross checked and cross referenced. Facts. Hard data.
For the sheeple out there who like to quote politicized 'experts' and their models of 2 million, 20 million China virus US dead and call for 12-18 months of quarantine until a vaccine, which may or may not come, please continue to be a sheeple. Branded, shoved into a corral with the rest of your herd and fed gruel over a fence by your benevolent leaders. But remember, many of these widely quoted 'experts' with their models are employed by others who seek taxpayer funds for research, tests and vaccine tests which may never come. Fear is a commodity they trade in to get millions, billions of taxpayer dollars.
Lock this country down for 12-18 months and more will die from other causes than China virus. The money printing needed to carry that off would likely result in Weimar Republic or a Zimbabwe type hyperinflation. You better pay $100 for that loaf of bread today cause tomorrow it's going to cost you $200. Better pay $500 for that 6 pack of Charmin, going to cost you $1,000 tomorrow.Wonderful Post you give a great perspective.
Current US death rates from China Virus:
0.00677093% of all Americans dead from China virus.
NY / NJ has over half of all US deaths. Heavy reliance on mass transit. Mega-metropolitan areas among other reasons. Their death rate from China virus: 0.04191071% of all NY / NJ citizens.
Back out NY / NJ numbers from all US deaths, US death rate from China virus at: 0.00333333% of all citizens.
State of Georgia stats from yesterday:
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus. **.
I've crunched those numbers further. Of the 433 deaths, 370 of those are in people 60 and over. Of that 370, (177) had listed comorbities. Diabetes, pre-diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, etc. Serious conditions where your health is at risk anyway. Not a cold, sinus congestion. To err on the side of caution I counted those listed with unknown comorbitities as w / o any.
Of the 63 deaths in Georgia from China virus in people 59 and younger, 40 are listed with comordities. Also counted the unknown comobitities as without though I feel many existed. The state of Georgia has had 23 healthy citizens under the age of 60 to die from China Virus. There are 10.62 million people living in Georgia.
These statistics posted come from private and public sources. Cross checked and cross referenced. Facts. Hard data.
For the sheeple out there who like to quote politicized 'experts' and their models of 2 million, 20 million China virus US dead and call for 12-18 months of quarantine until a vaccine, which may or may not come, please continue to be a sheeple. Branded, shoved into a corral with the rest of your herd and fed gruel over a fence by your benevolent leaders. But remember, many of these widely quoted 'experts' with their models are employed by others who seek taxpayer funds for research, tests and vaccine tests which may never come. Fear is a commodity they trade in to get millions, billions of taxpayer dollars.
Lock this country down for 12-18 months and more will die from other causes than China virus. The money printing needed to carry that off would likely result in Weimar Republic or a Zimbabwe type hyperinflation. You better pay $100 for that loaf of bread today cause tomorrow it's going to cost you $200. Better pay $500 for that 6 pack of Charmin, going to cost you $1,000 tomorrow.This is all talk, until you have to bury a loved family member that died from this virus. We have no immunity. We have no long term statistics on the effect post infection. We don't know if getting it and recovering makes one immune. Evidence out of China & Korea suggests otherwise.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-04-10/south-korea-says-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-positive-again
Yes these maybe asymptomatic or mild, but think about that. That means that any vaccine currently being developed will most likely not be effective.
Everyone is so quick to point to stats. Okay here is a few.
Annual influenza kills on average of 36,000 Americans a year (a YEAR). For a death rate of. 1%.
"The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that flu-associated deaths in the US ranged from about 3000 to 49,000 annually between 1976 and 2006. The CDC notes that the often-cited figure of 36,000 annual flu-related deaths was derived from years when the predominant virus subtype was H3 N2, which tends to be more lethal than H1 N1. ".
This diease has killed a reported 20,000+ in 2 months. Understand that is reported. Because we have a much better monitoring / reporting system for seasonal flu, deaths from that are general well documented. Deaths from this diease are way under report as many corpses have not been check to see if Covid was the cause or a contributing factor. Either way, the medical community admits to under reporting it.
So let's say we are low side of the casualty count of 60,000 death. That makes this at least 2 x more deadly. And we have yet to see what it does to the a lot of the country.
As note by everyone. Social Distancing is the only reason that the number are lower, and the curve is flattening out. But like the 1918 Spanish Flu, most of the deaths were the following years in 1919 and 1920. Yes it took 3 years before it died down, and we had some actually immunity to it to begin with.
https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence
Guess what, we go back to our pre pandemic ways and round 2 will be a lot fucking worse. And yes there will be a round 2.
So go ahead a ***** about the economy, bemoan the fact that our past time is impacted. But don't think for a second that you can't be the cause of death for your parent, aunt, spouse, or other family member.
Aaron Hamlet
04-13-20, 12:03
This is all talkZero talk. All data. Hard facts. All you did was talk though. US news and world reports? History channel?* We have no immunity? Where's your data? You privy to the results obtained from antibodies testing done on a massive scale? What percent of population has / had virus but didn't / don't know it or suffered from only mild symptoms? 30,40, 50%? We were all on top of one another as virus spread like wildfire. Your data for that? Second wave, Round 2,3,4 going to be worse? Where's your data, Dr. ? Spanish flu from 100 years ago? What effect did the massive global troop movements during WW I have on Spanish Flu second wave? Your data on that? 'Everyone' says social distancing is the only reason numbers are lower? Your data, hard facts on that? You have none. Zero. You spout unsubstantiated bullshit.
0. 00677093% of all Americans have died from China virus. Fact. Hard data. A2 wrote you could pack 100,000 China Virus+ (40) year olds and younger into a stadium and only two would die. Fact. Hard data.
Don't talk to me about burying my family, motherfucker. You one dumb motherfucker. That's not talk. That's a fact. Hard data derived from your meaningless rambling bullshit.
Sgt Lurker
04-13-20, 12:21
If people would realize the total truth is probably somewhere between the people who are fear-mongering and want to sell out their freedom for a 'perception of safety' and those who say we should pretend the COVID-19 either does not exist or is not lethal to some people. I could just as easily inadvertently kill my mother by having caught the flu but not yet having any symptoms and taking it to her and 200 of her fellow assisted living neighbors. For her, the flu could be deadly also.
However, we have gone way overboard where some places are ticking people for walking on the sidewalk or riding their motorcycle because they are deemed 'non-essential. " A TV commentator he can board his dog due to travel but the kennel cannot trim the dog's nails because the Governor deemed it non-essential. Kentucky governor threatened anyone whose car was on any church property on Easter would have their entire household issued a mandatory quarantine order by the health department.
The pendulum has swung way too far for this virus when, as stated by A2, in the big scheme, it will not prove as deadly as the so-called experts (all sides of the political coin) are calling for.
We (the majority of people) have surrendered using their own common sense and become subjugated to the government when it was intended to be the other way around. One of the things I refused to do whenever I was in a leadership position in the Army and had the situation was to not punish the masses for the guilt or stupidity of the one or few. The guilty were punished, not everyone.
Zero talk. All data. Hard facts. All you did was talk though. US news and world reports? History channel?* We have no immunity? Where's your data? You privy to the results obtained from antibodies testing done on a massive scale? What percent of population has / had virus but didn't / don't know it or suffered from only mild symptoms? 30,40, 50%? We were all on top of one another as virus spread like wildfire. Your data for that? Second wave, Round 2,3,4 going to be worse? Where's your data, Dr. ? Spanish flu from 100 years ago? What effect did the massive global troop movements during WW I have on Spanish Flu second wave? Your data on that? 'Everyone' says social distancing is the only reason numbers are lower? Your data, hard facts on that? You have none. Zero. You spout unsubstantiated bullshit.
0. 00677093% of all Americans have died from China virus. Fact. Hard data. A2 wrote you could pack 100,000 China Virus+ (40) year olds and younger into a stadium and only two would die. Fact. Hard data.
Game Cock Too
04-13-20, 14:41
Current US death rates from China Virus:
0.00677093% of all Americans dead from China virus.
NY / NJ has over half of all US deaths. Heavy reliance on mass transit. Mega-metropolitan areas among other reasons. Their death rate from China virus: 0.04191071% of all NY / NJ citizens.
Back out NY / NJ numbers from all US deaths, US death rate from China virus at: 0.00333333% of all citizens.
State of Georgia stats from yesterday:
0.111% of Georgia citizens have confirmed case of China Virus.
0.0231% Have been hospitalized due to China Virus.
0.00400% have died from China Virus. **.
I've crunched those numbers further. Of the 433 deaths, 370 of those are in people 60 and over. Of that 370, (177) had listed comorbities. Diabetes, pre-diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, etc. Serious conditions where your health is at risk anyway. Not a cold, sinus congestion. To err on the side of caution I counted those listed with unknown comorbitities as w / o any.
Of the 63 deaths in Georgia from China virus in people 59 and younger, 40 are listed with comordities. Also counted the unknown comobitities as without though I feel many existed. The state of Georgia has had 23 healthy citizens under the age of 60 to die from China Virus. There are 10.62 million people living in Georgia.
These statistics posted come from private and public sources. Cross checked and cross referenced. Facts. Hard data.
For the sheeple out there who like to quote politicized 'experts' and their models of 2 million, 20 million China virus US dead and call for 12-18 months of quarantine until a vaccine, which may or may not come, please continue to be a sheeple. Branded, shoved into a corral with the rest of your herd and fed gruel over a fence by your benevolent leaders. But remember, many of these widely quoted 'experts' with their models are employed by others who seek taxpayer funds for research, tests and vaccine tests which may never come. Fear is a commodity they trade in to get millions, billions of taxpayer dollars.
Lock this country down for 12-18 months and more will die from other causes than China virus. The money printing needed to carry that off would likely result in Weimar Republic or a Zimbabwe type hyperinflation. You better pay $100 for that loaf of bread today cause tomorrow it's going to cost you $200. Better pay $500 for that 6 pack of Charmin, going to cost you $1,000 tomorrow.For example:
For the USA, 22,858 (deaths) divided by 564,398 (confirmed cases) = 0. 0404. Then multiply by 100 will give you 4. 04% death rate in the USA. . 0404% is vastly different from 4. 04%. A 4. 04% death rate is still pretty low, BUT who knows if you're going to be that person / victim that falls into that 4%. So, 0. 33% of Georgians have the virus. Of the 13,315 confirmed cases in Georgia, 3. 4% have died (464 deaths). Bottom line, DON'T CATCH IT! I have 3 friends that have had it. One was hospitalized and recovered, one was in bed at home and thought it was the flu, and one had mild symptoms.
The scary thing about this virus is that there is no vaccine to prevent you from catching it, and even if there WAS a vaccine, all vaccine are not 100% efficacious, even for the flu. Also, there are no proven medications available to cure the afflicted. It all comes down to how well YOUR body fights the virus. Without testing, asymptomatic individual will continue to spread the virus.
Additionally, all testing is not accurate. A good test requires accurate "sensitivity and specificity". sensitivity is like your radar detector going off, even though you don't see a cop around. It's the ability to pick up a signal or sign (disease). Specificity is actually seeing that police car hidden in the woods, or correctly saying that you DO have the disease. Low sensitivity on a medical test would miss the disease and low specificity wouldn't be able to tell what disease you had (a cold? Regular flu? Coronavirus?
HobbyMan51
04-13-20, 17:27
Zero talk. All data. Hard facts. All you did was talk though. US news and world reports? History channel?* We have no immunity? Where's your data? You privy to the results obtained from antibodies testing done on a massive scale? What percent of population has / had virus but didn't / don't know it or suffered from only mild symptoms? 30,40, 50%? We were all on top of one another as virus spread like wildfire. Your data for that? Second wave, Round 2,3,4 going to be worse? Where's your data, Dr. ? Spanish flu from 100 years ago? What effect did the massive global troop movements during WW I have on Spanish Flu second wave? Your data on that? 'Everyone' says social distancing is the only reason numbers are lower? Your data, hard facts on that? You have none. Zero. You spout unsubstantiated bullshit.
0. 00677093% of all Americans have died from China virus. Fact. Hard data. A2 wrote you could pack 100,000 China Virus+ (40) year olds and younger into a stadium and only two would die. Fact. Hard data.
Don't talk to me about burying my family, motherfucker. You one dumb motherfucker. That's not talk. That's a fact. Hard data derived from your meaningless rambling bullshit.Amen, Aaron. He also conveniently forgot to add that social distancing was already built into the doomsday scenario numbers Fauci and Birks were feeding us. You know, 100 k, 150 k 200 k, 2 million, blah blah blah, were going to die if we didn't practice distancing? Well, the numbers are going to come in far below their "expert" estimates, much to their disappointment. A2 is right. You are right.? Not so much.
This is all talk, until you have to bury a loved family member that died from this virus. We have no immunity. We have no long term statistics on the effect post infection. We don't know if getting it and recovering makes one immune. Evidence out of China & Korea suggests otherwise.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-04-10/south-korea-says-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-positive-again
Yes these maybe asymptomatic or mild, but think about that. That means that any vaccine currently being developed will most likely not be effective.
Everyone is so quick to point to stats. Okay here is a few.
Annual influenza kills on average of 36,000 Americans a year (a YEAR). For a death rate of. 1%.
"The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that flu-associated deaths in the US ranged from about 3000 to 49,000 annually between 1976 and 2006. The CDC notes that the often-cited figure of 36,000 annual flu-related deaths was derived from years when the predominant virus subtype was H3 N2, which tends to be more lethal than H1 N1. ".
This diease has killed a reported 20,000+ in 2 months. Understand that is reported. Because we have a much better monitoring / reporting system for seasonal flu, deaths from that are general well documented. Deaths from this diease are way under report as many corpses have not been check to see if Covid was the cause or a contributing factor. Either way, the medical community admits to under reporting it.
So let's say we are low side of the casualty count of 60,000 death. That makes this at least 2 x more deadly. And we have yet to see what it does to the a lot of the country.
As note by everyone. Social Distancing is the only reason that the number are lower, and the curve is flattening out. But like the 1918 Spanish Flu, most of the deaths were the following years in 1919 and 1920. Yes it took 3 years before it died down, and we had some actually immunity to it to begin with.
https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence
Guess what, we go back to our pre pandemic ways and round 2 will be a lot fucking worse. And yes there will be a round 2.
So go ahead a ***** about the economy, bemoan the fact that our past time is impacted. But don't think for a second that you can't be the cause of death for your parent, aunt, spouse, or other family member.I completely agree with everything you've posted. We must as a nation focus on the three T's, testing, tracking and treatment of everyone affected.
Aaron Hamlet
04-13-20, 19:41
For example:
I know how to properly calculate percentages and don't have to multiply by 100. I use the % function on calculator, put in two number sets and hit enter. Works every time.
Tests are to diagnose. Good for sound bites, spread fear, but don't do much as an overall data point. Like you said, test aren't accurate one way or the other. I believe 70% accuracy is deemed acceptable. Who gets tested? Those presenting symptoms, those within a set baseline of symptoms? Those who want to get tested but aren't sick? Where are tests taking place? NY, NJ, La. , Detroit or in the middle of nowhere Idaho, Montana? The death rate from China Virus is nowhere near 4%. To date, 4% of confirmed cases may die, but the number of confirmed cases, that denominator is unknown. That's why I didn't use it as a factor. There could be 30,40, 50% of all carrying the virus and don't even know it.
Of course, 'don't catch it. ' If you're over 60 and / or obese, diabetic, pre-diabetic, cancer, you need to be careful. Still not death sentence. If you're under 60 and healthy, do what you want. Georgia has had 20 deaths from China virus in those under 60 and healthy. Horrible thing, but 20 out of approx. 9 million isn't a high risk. I'd bet much more die from suicide, murder, car wrecks, accidents, O. D. 's.
Asymptomatic individuals passing the virus to others is a concern if those it's passed to are 60+ and / or bad sick to start with. Even then not a death sentence. Healthy asymptomatic young people passing the virus to other healthy people isn't much of a concern. It's actually a good thing. Healthy person has virus, their body beats it, then they pass along a weakened version of virus. That person beats it, they pass along an even weakened version onto the next, then onto the next and the next and the next. That's how virus' disappear. The healthy among us, those not targeted, defeat them. That's why all humans weren't killed by previous pandemics.
Sweden has taken the approach above of letting the young and healthy kill/minimize the virus.Had the sick and elderly shelter, closed universities, but left grade schools open. Businesses, bars, restaurants function as usual. The govt. suggests you don't go out, but at the same time tell Swedes to do what they want. They've had a slightly higher per capita death rate than US, but nowhere near the economic catastrophe.
If less than 1 percent of the USA Populace has been tested, your data crunching based on the sum total of the US population make zero sense.
I know how to properly calculate percentages and don't have to multiply by 100. I use the % function on calculator, put in two number sets and hit enter. Works every time.
Tests are to diagnose. Good for sound bites, spread fear, but don't do much as an overall data point. Like you said, test aren't accurate one way or the other. I believe 70% accuracy is deemed acceptable. Who gets tested? Those presenting symptoms, those within a set baseline of symptoms? Those who want to get tested but aren't sick? Where are tests taking place? NY, NJ, La. , Detroit or in the middle of nowhere Idaho, Montana? The death rate from China Virus is nowhere near 4%. To date, 4% of confirmed cases may die, but the number of confirmed cases, that denominator is unknown. That's why I didn't use it as a factor. There could be 30,40, 50% of all carrying the virus and don't even know it.
Of course, 'don't catch it. ' If you're over 60 and / or obese, diabetic, pre-diabetic, cancer, you need to be careful. Still not death sentence. If you're under 60 and healthy, do what you want. Georgia has had 20 deaths from China virus in those under 60 and healthy. Horrible thing, but 20 out of approx. 9 million isn't a high risk. I'd bet much more die from suicide, murder, car wrecks, accidents, O. D. 's.
Asymptomatic individuals passing the virus to others is a concern if those it's passed to are 60+ and / or bad sick to start with. Even then not a death sentence. Healthy asymptomatic young people passing the virus to other healthy people isn't much of a concern. It's actually a good thing. Healthy person has virus, their body beats it, then they pass along a weakened version of virus. That person beats it, they pass along an even weakened version onto the next, then onto the next and the next and the next. That's how virus' disappear. The healthy among us, those not targeted, defeat them. That's why all humans haven't been killed by previous pandemics. Not yet at least.
Sweden has taken the approach above of letting the young and healthy kill/minimize the virus.Had the sick and elderly shelter, closed universities, but left grade schools open. Businesses, bars, restaurants function as usual. The govt. suggests you don't go out, but at the same time tell Swedes to do what they want. They've had a slightly higher per capita death rate than US, but nowhere near the economic catastrophe.
Aaron Hamlet
04-13-20, 20:57
make zero sense.Speaking of making zero sense. You ever find those PM's you alleged I sent to you related to me doing you dirty regarding some UTR? You popped up out the woodwork a few months ago squawking at me about them. You didn't find them, did you? You know why you didn't find them, Jimmy? Because they don't exist. For some bizarre reason, you came at me with some made up shit. You 0 for 2, son.
Speaking of making zero sense. You ever find those PM's you alleged I sent to you related to me doing you dirty regarding some UTR? You popped up out the woodwork a few months ago squawking at me about them. You didn't find them, did you? You know why you didn't find them, Jimmy? Because they don't exist. For some bizarre reason, you came at me with some made up shit. You 0 for 2, son.Really? I have no clue what you're talking about but I do remember YOU from way back making threats against a bunch of hobbyists who had asked you for contact info on a few ladies you were pimping for and then not showing up. Now getting back to the topic at hand, I still maintain your stats make zero sense, if the COVID-19 tests are not widely available to the populace at large.
Sgt Lurker
04-13-20, 21:39
I keep hearing people screaming for more testing but keep in mind folks, that is a numbers racket and there is an old saying, "Figures Lie and Liars Figure. " I could be tested today and be negative and come in contact with someone tomorrow and have it by Friday. But I GOT TESTED! Big Deal!
I know how to properly calculate percentages and don't have to multiply by 100. I use the % function on calculator, put in two number sets and hit enter. Works every time.
Tests are to diagnose. Good for sound bites, spread fear, but don't do much as an overall data point. Like you said, test aren't accurate one way or the other. I believe 70% accuracy is deemed acceptable. Who gets tested? Those presenting symptoms, those within a set baseline of symptoms? Those who want to get tested but aren't sick? Where are tests taking place? NY, NJ, La. , Detroit or in the middle of nowhere Idaho, Montana? The death rate from China Virus is nowhere near 4%. To date, 4% of confirmed cases may die, but the number of confirmed cases, that denominator is unknown. That's why I didn't use it as a factor. There could be 30,40, 50% of all carrying the virus and don't even know it.
Aaron Hamlet
04-14-20, 10:08
Really? I have no clue what you're talking about Here you go, Jimmy. You're 0 for 3 now, son:
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While I agree with you that the guy who had a girl drive 40 miles, for nothing, is a fucking punk clown fuck. You however deserve what you had coming with the other dude who did not share his girls information with you. Karma is * as you did the same thing to me 5+ years ago.
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Hopefully, I've not deleted the messages you and I exchanged from 5 years ago. I will post as soon as I find them and show the board what an a $$ you are.
OK, I now remember clearly, you were indeed acting like an ass. However it changes nothing because it just confirms you still are a "fucking punk clown fuck" as I mentioned in the message you just posted from 5 or so years ago. It also appears you're just as clueless using the quote syntax here as you are at collating and analyzing data points. Now can we get back to what we were discussing the COVID-19 pandemic and the botched response.
We exchanged
Here you go, Jimmy. You're 0 for 3 now, son:
I completely agree with everything you've posted. We must as a nation focus on the three T's, testing, tracking and treatment of everyone affected.I hope that's exactly what the government and healthcare industry are doing.
This is directed at both of you. Trust me, no one here is impressed with this BS. Please behave like adults and or carry on with this BS someplace else. Thanks!
OK, I now remember clearly, you were indeed acting like an ass. However it changes nothing because it just confirms you still are a "fucking punk clown fuck" as I mentioned in the message you just posted from 5 or so years ago. It also appears you're just as clueless using the quote syntax here as you are at collating and analyzing data points. Now can we get back to what we were discussing the COVID-19 pandemic and the botched response.
Here you go, Jimmy. You're 0 for 3 now, son:
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While I agree with you that the guy who had a girl drive 40 miles, for nothing, is a fucking punk clown fuck. You however deserve what you had coming with the other dude who did not share his girls information with you. Karma is * as you did the same thing to me 5+ years ago.
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Hopefully, I've not deleted the messages you and I exchanged from 5 years ago. I will post as soon as I find them and show the board what an a $$ you are.
I cannot help but think of the long-term effects this pandemic may have on the strip club economy. It's not far-fetched in my mind that the industry could die.
From a consumer perspective, it's hard to imagine strip clubs recovering faster than its consumer base's ability to replenish disposable income. Which may happen long after clubs reopen, assuming some don't collapse before they can reopen. From a talent perspective, I'd expect many will get forced out if the upside significantly shrinks due to a much smaller money pool. From an owner perspective, this also means less revenue through cover charges, taxing dancers, and alcohol sales. Do the margins become thin enough to force many of these clubs to close?
I'm likely missing something in this equation. Am I nuts here? Am I over-thinking this?I think you're over-thinking it. The predicted death toll has already been downgraded from 200,000 to less than 40,000 nationwide, and will likely further decrease as the case numbers decline.
As far as the clubs go, I think the recovery will take until at least Christmas because once everyone goes back to work most people are facing overdue bills of all kinds. Mortage payments, rent payments, car payments, credit card payments, etc. Having fun money to spend at the strip clubs will be in short supply. Also, many employers see the cost savings of a stay-at-home workforce so the majority of them won't return to a full payroll in awhile and a decent chunk of people will remain unemployed. Plus, there is already threats of a rebound pandemic wave hitting us in the fall. So add it all up and it looks rough until December and hopefully a return to normal by early next year.
However, if there is a serious 2nd wave hitting us at the end of the year then all bets are off. Another two-month lock down would be fatal for many businesses. I'd say at least half of all clubs will close permanently if that happens.
SeekingHead
04-14-20, 18:53
I'd also be interested. I never hooked up with Elizabeth in the VIP room but that cute little ass got me wondering if she's sharing it with special guests during the COVID lockdown?Never met a stripper with good money management, & she has to eat? Somebody is paying her bills.
Get caught in one of those lock down parties if you want to. You will be thrown in gen pop where covid is running rampid right now. How do I know, I saw a house party get broken up and they carried everyone one of them up out of there. Play games if you want to.
Get caught in one of those lock down parties if you want to. You will be thrown in gen pop where covid is running rampid right now. How do I know, I saw a house party get broken up and they carried everyone one of them up out of there. Play games if you want to.Good. I hope the popo does just that.
Real mature guy. Comes off as a real POS on the forums for sure. That just proves it. I'm new here, and I hope the mongering community here has more to offer than that idiot.
This is the private mail message I just received from this little prick.
The key here is testing! The U.S. now leads the world in COVID-19 cases/deaths. We have tested less than 1 percent of the U.S. population of 328 million. The 2.67 million people tested so far show 560,000 cases of COVID-19 with 22,000 deaths. Do the math and see what would happen if we dont have stringent social distancing measures in place.Testing is the key for sure but nobody will convince me that the estimated body count went from 10,000,000 deaths to 60,000 deaths because some people stayed home.
When people say "do the math and see what happens" it seems to me that they are saying that the virus will continue to kill everybody like it did the people with underlying conditions at the beginning until there are millions and millions of dead. That's not happening in Sweden. They are taking a middle ground that regardless of how the super lefty press (I am a lifelong lefty) wants to persuade people is blowing up in their face is working really well. They are encouraging people to work from home if they can, they have limited school to two days a week, are providing all the help those in high risk groups need to self isolate but as to the rest they are trying to keep life as normal as possible.
Belgium has been in total lockdown for a month, they have 10,000,000 people in their population and they have 4,000 deaths, Sweden is taking a middle route, have 10,000,000 population and have had 1000 deaths.
This stringent social distancing along with the sever economic toll is going to have a bigger body count. 38,000 people die with each percent increase in joblessness. 10,000,000 people just lost their jobs, another 10-30,000,000 retirees just saw 40% of their retirement saving disappear, that's going to cause 200,000 deaths from poverty and homelessness.
Got to be something in the middle sir, something between nothing and burning down the economy.
Testing is the key, specifically antibody testing to start getting an idea how many asymptomatic people there are because once we do I'm betting that mortality rate drops to. 0 something percent. Once people see that then the risk groups can self isolate, and those that won't die from it can keep life going.
Just my opinion, really not trying to start a fight, really trying to get a dialog that gets people unstuck from the extremes and start looking for something that works for everybody.
A2.
Game Cock Too
04-14-20, 22:59
I know how to properly calculate percentages and don't have to multiply by 100. I use the % function on calculator, put in two number sets and hit enter. Works every time.
Tests are to diagnose. Good for sound bites, spread fear, but don't do much as an overall data point. Like you said, test aren't accurate one way or the other. I believe 70% accuracy is deemed acceptable. Who gets tested? Those presenting symptoms, those within a set baseline of symptoms? Those who want to get tested but aren't sick? Where are tests taking place? NY, NJ, La. , Detroit or in the middle of nowhere Idaho, Montana? The death rate from China Virus is nowhere near 4%. To date, 4% of confirmed cases may die, but the number of confirmed cases, that denominator is unknown. That's why I didn't use it as a factor. There could be 30,40, 50% of all carrying the virus and don't even know it.
Of course, 'don't catch it. ' If you're over 60 and / or obese, diabetic, pre-diabetic, cancer, you need to be careful. Still not death sentence. If you're under 60 and healthy, do what you want. Georgia has had 20 deaths from China virus in those under 60 and healthy. Horrible thing, but 20 out of approx. 9 million isn't a high risk. I'd bet much more die from suicide, murder, car wrecks, accidents, O. D. 's.
Asymptomatic individuals passing the virus to others is a concern if those it's passed to are 60+ and / or bad sick to start with. Even then not a death sentence. Healthy asymptomatic young people passing the virus to other healthy people isn't much of a concern. It's actually a good thing. Healthy person has virus, their body beats it, then they pass along a weakened version of virus. That person beats it, they pass along an even weakened version onto the next, then onto the next and the next and the next. That's how virus' disappear. The healthy among us, those not targeted, defeat them. That's why all humans weren't killed by previous pandemicsTo date 608,458 CONFIRMED case in the USA, and 25,992 deaths equals 0. 0427178 or 4. 271%. And 0. 0427178 is vastly different than 0. 0427178%.
Some of the things that you say are logical. The bottom line is, we don't have a clue regarding this virus. It IS similar to the flu, but it's attack on the cells of the lungs are more vicious. The flu has many strands, so who's to say that the corornavirus doesn't have different strands. Viruses are spread when they are active. One person doesn't weaken it for the next person. When your kid gets the chicken pox, expect them to be afflicted for at least a week. But if they get the chicken pox vaccine, and if they DO get the chicken pox, the case may be less severe.
HobbyMan51
04-15-20, 01:40
Testing is the key for sure but nobody will convince me that the estimated body count went from 10,000,000 deaths to 60,000 deaths because some people stayed home.
When people say "do the math and see what happens" it seems to me that they are saying that the virus will continue to kill everybody like it did the people with underlying conditions at the beginning until there are millions and millions of dead. That's not happening in Sweden. They are taking a middle ground that regardless of how the super lefty press (I am a lifelong lefty) wants to persuade people is blowing up in their face is working really well. They are encouraging people to work from home if they can, they have limited school to two days a week, are providing all the help those in high risk groups need to self isolate but as to the rest they are trying to keep life as normal as possible.
Belgium has been in total lockdown for a month, they have 10,000,000 people in their population and they have 4,000 deaths, Sweden is taking a middle route, have 10,000,000 population and have had 1000 deaths.
This stringent social distancing along with the sever economic toll is going to have a bigger body count. 38,000 people die with each percent increase in joblessness. 10,000,000 people just lost their jobs, another 10-30,000,000 retirees just saw 40% of their retirement saving disappear, that's going to cause 200,000 deaths from poverty and homelessness.
Got to be something in the middle sir, something between nothing and burning down the economy.
Testing is the key, specifically antibody testing to start getting an idea how many asymptomatic people there are because once we do I'm betting that mortality rate drops to. 0 something percent. Once people see that then the risk groups can self isolate, and those that won't die from it can keep life going.
Just my opinion, really not trying to start a fight, really trying to get a dialog that gets people unstuck from the extremes and start looking for something that works for everybody.
A2.Yes, there has got to be something in the middle. There is something in the middle. We were just too lazy and media-frightened to find that middle ground. Burning down the economy, as you put it, is no solution at all and as has been said before, the cure that is far worse than the disease itself. There has got to be a better way than this and next time there had better be a better way. Or else.
When I was touring colleges I happened to visit the University of Michigan when it was -60 F and windy, and just said "this is dumb". I wound up accepting Georgia Tech's offer.
Still here!
O.Don't you think its time you graduated?
Sgt Lurker
04-15-20, 08:36
Testing is the key for sure but nobody will convince me that the estimated body count went from 10,000,000 deaths to 60,000 deaths because some people stayed home.
Got to be something in the middle sir, something between nothing and burning down the economy.
Testing is the key, specifically antibody testing to start getting an idea how many asymptomatic people there are because once we do I'm betting that mortality rate drops to. 0 something percent. Once people see that then the risk groups can self isolate, and those that won't die from it can keep life going.
A2.So long as they don't expect me to carry some kind of ID stating whether I am anti-body free or have the anti-bodies as some Socialists have suggested. The past month is a clear case of a government run amok and shows just how little we have taught two or more generations about the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and how to think for themselves. They have allowed this for a disease with better than a 98% survival rate.
Aaron Hamlet
04-15-20, 08:57
The nasty ass bat/rat/ cat/dog eating chinese have unleashed yet another novel virus onto the planet. Covid-19 has killed a whopping 20 healthy georgians under the age of 60. It ravages the nation leaving a trail of death and destruction that has taken the lives of 0.008125% of all americans. Shelter in place you assorted dumbasses and trembling kuntz. Do not bang a hooker. Hoard toilet paper now or you will die with shit stained drawers and stinking fingers. Bow down to the dept. Of pandemania you ignorant trembling kuntz and assorted dumbasses.
Aaron Hamlet
04-15-20, 09:03
To date 608,458 CONFIRMED case in the USA, and 25,992 deaths equals 0. 0427178 or 4. 271%. And 0. 0427178 is vastly different than 0. 0427178%.For the last time, sir. Percent given is death rate for all Americans. Until 320,000,000 Americans are tested, which is a waste of time and money, total population is the only fixed denominator that exists.
So long as they don't expect me to carry some kind of ID stating whether I am anti-body free or have the anti-bodies as some Socialists have suggested. The past month is a clear case of a government run amok and shows just how little we have taught two or more generations about the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and how to think for themselves. They have allowed this for a disease with better than a 98% survival rate.Saw a story on the CNN website talking about how shitty some of the antibody tests we have are: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-antibody-tests-scientists/index.html.
Seems the FDA relaxed its rules, allowing companies to get their antibody tests to the US at a faster rate. Only problem is, half of the crappy test kits are coming from where else? The country that started this pandemic in the first place: China!
Hey federal government, this is no time to relax fuckin' medical standards!
You can calculate all the deaths per country, per capita, even world wide. Compare countries, regions, and territories and argue who's doing the best or not. Blame these and those and it still doesn't paint the real picture. COVID-19 has done what the government with all their raids and SESTA / FOSTA acts, soccer moms and jilted wives, the moral majority, bible thumpers, and self righteous haven't been able to for centuries. That is shut down prostitution, the sex trade, and sex trafficking industry. It has come to a halt.
Case in point: What percentage of massage parlors were open and providing happy endings and more February One? 100%. How many 60 days later? Zero, none, nada, zilch. Every spa along the Hwy 41 Kenworth corridor have closed up. The Hwy 92 Triangle? Doors are locked tight. All across Atlanta and Georgia the spas are closed. All of them. That is a 100% drop. How about the strip joints? All closed 100%. Escorts and call girls, incalls and outcalls, the apartment services? Are they staying busy and servicing as many clients as before? Probably not. Lets face it COVID-19 has brought a thriving industry down to a trickle if not to a halt, almost dead in it's tracks.
Oh yea, there are few out there still providing if truth were told, but the overall traffic has come to a stand still. And what I think that is so ironic is the ones who provide happy endings, the Chinese, also started this shut down pandemic. Now, put that in your hand and jack off to it. Because that's all the pussy you're going to get for a while.
HobbyMan51
04-15-20, 11:55
The nasty ass bat/rat/ cat/dog eating chinese have unleashed yet another novel virus onto the planet. Covid-19 has killed a whopping 20 healthy georgians under the age of 60. It ravages the nation leaving a trail of death and destruction that has taken the lives of 0.008125% of all americans. Shelter in place you assorted dumbasses and trembling kuntz. Do not bang a hooker. Hoard toilet paper now or you will die with shit stained drawers and stinking fingers. Bow down to the dept. Of pandemania you ignorant trembling kuntz and assorted dumbasses.+1000. And +1000 again. We must make sure that they do not do this to us again. If there is a group out there somewhere to fight them I will join it. If not, I'll form one myself. Remember what Patrick Henry said a long time ago. It means even more now.
I think you're over-thinking it. The predicted death toll has already been downgraded from 200,000 to less than 40,000 nationwide, and will likely further decrease as the case numbers decline.
As far as the clubs go, I think the recovery will take until at least Christmas because once everyone goes back to work most people are facing overdue bills of all kinds. Mortage payments, rent payments, car payments, credit card payments, etc. Having fun money to spend at the strip clubs will be in short supply. Also, many employers see the cost savings of a stay-at-home workforce so the majority of them won't return to a full payroll in awhile and a decent chunk of people will remain unemployed. Plus, there is already threats of a rebound pandemic wave hitting us in the fall. So add it all up and it looks rough until December and hopefully a return to normal by early next year.
However, if there is a serious 2nd wave hitting us at the end of the year then all bets are off. Another two-month lock down would be fatal for many businesses. I'd say at least half of all clubs will close permanently if that happens.Well they saying social distance might last until 2022 so if that happens it's a wrap for strip Clubs and most of these dancers already getting fat and out of shape not working and nobody going to pay to see out of shape girls LOL.
Strip Club scene won't be the same for a long time.
That. Was. Amazing.
The nasty ass bat/rat/ cat/dog eating chinese have unleashed yet another novel virus onto the planet. Covid-19 has killed a whopping 20 healthy georgians under the age of 60. It ravages the nation leaving a trail of death and destruction that has taken the lives of 0.008125% of all americans. Shelter in place you assorted dumbasses and trembling kuntz. Do not bang a hooker. Hoard toilet paper now or you will die with shit stained drawers and stinking fingers. Bow down to the dept. Of pandemania you ignorant trembling kuntz and assorted dumbasses.
Guess you be a foreigner with limited Engrish, so I'll try to spell it out in simple terms since you are biased, can't read and can't comprehend.
1. The word was globalized in 1600? The US of A was a fledgling nation then, struggling to survive in small communities on the east coast.
2. The origins of Spanish flu (not flue, fuckstick) are unknown but thought to have originated from where else? China! US troops fighting in WWI brought it back from Europe.
3. I changed my mind. We should sanction whatever fuckstick country you came from since you don't appreciate this wonderful country and trash it when you think you have the balls to do so. Come to me and I will show you why you should not exist.
4. If you give an ounce of shit about your adopted country, then try giving a shit for once, not taking. My European ancestors came to this country, worked their balls off, never complained, and BUILT everything that your sorry ass enjoys. Instead of being a whiny, selfish pussy which my ancestors would kill for fun, why not step up to the plate and do something positive?
I bet not, since you are nothing more than a whiny punk. WE, the people, are tired of your shit kind. You need to GTFO.I believe the best action in this kinda of situation is to ignore the arrogant, ignorant, pimp ass.
Have fun banging 60 bucks ******.
Well they saying social distance might last until 2022 so if that happens it's a wrap for strip Clubs and most of these dancers already getting fat and out of shape not working and nobody going to pay to see out of shape girls LOL.
Strip Club scene won't be the same for a long time.I'm in medical field, not a doctor or nurse. If we don't have vaccine by end of this year or early next year then we might be fucked. I believe majority of infected have no symptoms.
I still carry a thick blanket in the trunk of my car "just in case".
Everyone complains about the pollen, but generally speaking weather down here can't kill you!
O.Correct, this be coming from a Wissota lad. Ain't no termites, fire ants, weeny green lizards and other creepy crawlies in the great white north, due to the frostline. Was it 6 feet? Seems like it was.
Saw a story on the CNN website talking about how shitty some of the antibody tests we have are: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-antibody-tests-scientists/index.html.
Seems the FDA relaxed its rules, allowing companies to get their antibody tests to the US at a faster rate. Only problem is, half of the crappy test kits are coming from where else? The country that started this pandemic in the first place: China!
Hey federal government, this is no time to relax fuckin' medical standards!But that is how the Orange Turd is going to get the country open by May 1. Importing shit test kits from China. And the real zinger is the news organizations and government are interchanging between antigen and antibody testing, implying they are the same. THEY ARE NOT the same. Antigen testing only shows you have been exposed to the virus and those antigens only exists in the body for 4 to 6 weeks. Antibodies are the immune system response to the virus, this proves you have immunity to whatever degree that maybe (remember influenza is the same family of virus as COVID and we have to get a shot every year). So is showing up are the antigen tests which aren't worth shit except to make people feel good until they get sick again because they fuck up and stopped social distancing. A reliable antibody testing is still a few months away, and even then they will only be probably 80% accurate initally if history is any indicator of previous antibody tests (took almost 2 years for a reliable SARS antibody test).
https://www.technologynetworks.com/immunology/articles/antigen-vs-antibody-what-are-the-differences-293550
AcWorthDude
04-15-20, 22:05
So long as they don't expect me to carry some kind of ID stating whether I am anti-body free or have the anti-bodies as some Socialists have suggested. The past month is a clear case of a government run amok and shows just how little we have taught two or more generations about the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and how to think for themselves. They have allowed this for a disease with better than a 98% survival rate.Agree 100%. The government dosent have the right to tell me I can't leave my house in my own best interest. Fuck off uncle sam. You are not here to protect me from myself.
The nasty ass bat/rat/ cat/dog eating chinese have unleashed yet another novel virus onto the planet. Covid-19 has killed a whopping 20 healthy georgians under the age of 60. It ravages the nation leaving a trail of death and destruction that has taken the lives of 0.008125% of all americans. Shelter in place you assorted dumbasses and trembling kuntz. Do not bang a hooker. Hoard toilet paper now or you will die with shit stained drawers and stinking fingers. Bow down to the dept. Of pandemania you ignorant trembling kuntz and assorted dumbasses.This is cute and all, but for those of us with underlying health conditions, it's pretty corny.
Fuck off uncle sam. You are not here to protect me from myself.No, he's here to protect the rest of us from you.
CoochieMac
04-16-20, 08:49
The nasty ass bat/rat/ cat/dog eating chinese have unleashed yet another novel virus onto the planet. Covid-19 has killed a whopping 20 healthy georgians under the age of 60. It ravages the nation leaving a trail of death and destruction that has taken the lives of 0.008125% of all americans. Shelter in place you assorted dumbasses and trembling kuntz. Do not bang a hooker. Hoard toilet paper now or you will die with shit stained drawers and stinking fingers. Bow down to the dept. Of pandemania you ignorant trembling kuntz and assorted dumbasses."I would rather choose to live as a beggar than be forced to live as a king" John Stuart Mill. Pimps can be their own kings!
TechSticles
04-16-20, 09:30
Guess you be a foreigner with limited Engrish, so I'll try to spell it out in simple terms since you are biased, can't read and can't comprehend.
1. The word was globalized in 1600? The US of A was a fledgling nation then, struggling to survive in small communities on the east coast.
2. The origins of Spanish flu (not flue, fuckstick) are unknown but thought to have originated from where else? China! US troops fighting in WWI brought it back from Europe.
3. I changed my mind. We should sanction whatever fuckstick country you came from since you don't appreciate this wonderful country and trash it when you think you have the balls to do so. Come to me and I will show you why you should not exist.
4. If you give an ounce of shit about your adopted country, then try giving a shit for once, not taking. My European ancestors came to this country, worked their balls off, never complained, and BUILT everything that your sorry ass enjoys. Instead of being a whiny, selfish pussy which my ancestors would kill for fun, why not step up to the plate and do something positive?
I bet not, since you are nothing more than a whiny punk. WE, the people, are tired of your shit kind. You need to GTFO.Dude, you're such a tough guy. You act like you actually did something to earn what you have, instead of just being lucky enough to be dropped out of your mom's pussy in the USA. Fuck off with your stupid shit.
You, the people. Did you ever join the military or anything? Or are you just one of those fucksticks that loves to stand up when the flag goes by?
I'm in medical field, not a doctor or nurse. If we don't have vaccine by end of this year or early next year then we might be fucked. I believe majority of infected have no symptoms.Doesn't really depend on a hypothetical who might have it or who doesn't. It all comes down to numbers. If the case numbers drop to near zero in July then everything should re-open to normal.
The big question becomes what happens if there is a rebound wave, such as what's happening in China? If a few dozen cases start popping up in October, do we go into a national lock down again, or just aggressively shut down only those areas where cases are growing?
4. If you give an ounce of shit about your adopted country, then try giving a shit for once, not taking. My European ancestors came to this country, worked their balls off, never complained, and BUILT everything that your sorry ass enjoys. Instead of being a whiny, selfish pussy which my ancestors would kill for fun, why not step up to the plate and do something positive?I love how these racist pricks always forget to mention his "European ancestors" arriving in this country and stealing it from the Native Americans and then proceeding to commit genocide against them with mass murder and disease.
TechSticles
04-16-20, 09:47
Let me help you. This data is from the Italian Public Health ministry compiled from the cases they had.
In the age groups 10-40 the mortality rate of C-19 is. 02% that means out of every 100,000 people with confirmed cases in those age groups 20 will die.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics
Further the Italian medical authorities found that 99% of those that did die had pre-existing conditions, diabetes, obesity, asthma, heart disease, something like that. So that means that if we back that up to 90% (give it a margin of error) that of those 20 who died 2 of them wouldn't have had an underlying health risk.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
To represent that graphically the picture attached is the new River Plate stadium in the city of Buenos Aires Argentina. It's "official capacity" is 70,000 but since we are a third world country they routinly pack more than that into it. The most people who have ever been here was a super classico between River and Boca Jr's at 102,000 people. Using the numbers genuine, bone fide experts in the medical field if this stadium was packed to standing room only capacity of people between the ages of 10 and 40 and each and every one of them had been tested and was confirmed to have a real, honest to god, no shit, no fooling case of Covid 19 then exactly two of them would die not having underlying conditions.
Seriously, 2 people. Before you answer, this isn't Red Sox and Yankees the economy of the fucking world is in balance, you can look at the data and change your mind and start demanding change. Let's put the old people up in super luxury hotels and feed them caviar omelettes and give them foot rubs until there is a vaccine. I'm not saying they should die.
8,200 people a day die in the US every day. 3,000,000 people every year, if 100,000 more die from C-19 then it's only a 3% increase. This hysteria has to stop.
Oh, and if you filled the stadium up with people from 40-50 then 40 of them would die and 4 without underlying conditions.
If they were 50-60 (my group) 100 would did and 10 of them would have been healthy when they caught it.
Seriously, 2 people, that's not bullshit, you can run the numbers yourself. The media has you convinced C-19 is a death sentence like ebola, it's not.
A2.That's all fine and good. I'm not disputing any of those numbers, nor have I ever said C-19 is a death sentence. The problem is that even with those low numbers of mortality, the health system still gets overwhelmed. It prevents people from getting the normal care they need and results in more death than just the virus.
We'd be better off it it was ebola, since it's much more difficult to catch and doesn't live long outside of a host. This shit would be over by now if it was ebola.
Dude, you're such a tough guy. You act like you actually did something to earn what you have, instead of just being lucky enough to be dropped out of your mom's pussy in the USA. Fuck off with your stupid shit.
You, the people. Did you ever join the military or anything? Or are you just one of those fucksticks that loves to stand up when the flag goes by?20-year Army veteran, fuckstick. And you?
I believe the best action in this kinda of situation is to ignore the arrogant, ignorant, pimp ass.
Have fun banging 60 bucks ******.If you want to see the ultimate in arrogant and stupid, read your original post. And no, I don't bang $60 hoes, but I bet you do!
HobbyMan51
04-16-20, 11:15
This is cute and all, but for those of us with underlying health conditions, it's pretty corny.Then stay home and take care of yourself until you feel safe. No one has any problem with those who are vulnerable taking steps to look out for themselves. The problem is "authority" telling those of us who are healthy and who do not have underlying conditions that we have to lose our jobs and our lives for an indefinite period of time when we no longer see the reason to do so. That is tyranny. Exhibit A: The governor of Michigan. It was great that the people of Michigan took their anger to the streets yesterday. More of us will do the same if we don't see common sense begin to be restored soon.
Sgt Lurker
04-16-20, 13:37
That's all fine and good. I'm not disputing any of those numbers, nor have I ever said C-19 is a death sentence. The problem is that even with those low numbers of mortality, the health system still gets overwhelmed. It prevents people from getting the normal care they need and results in more death than just the virus.
We'd be better off it it was ebola, since it's much more difficult to catch and doesn't live long outside of a host. This shit would be over by now if it was ebola.When Cuomo cried that he would need 40,000 ventilators or people would die and at most, he used just a tad bit over 5,000; that should prove that people were running more scared and not using common sense.
When Cuomo cried that he would need 40,000 ventilators or people would die and at most, he used just a tad bit over 5,000; that should prove that people were running more scared and not using common sense.This thread is serving it purpose as it allows hobbyists to rant and rave about any and all things. Just remember, opinions are like assholes and everyone has one.
TechSticles
04-16-20, 15:55
When Cuomo cried that he would need 40,000 ventilators or people would die and at most, he used just a tad bit over 5,000; that should prove that people were running more scared and not using common sense.
This thread is serving it purpose as it allows hobbyists to rant and rave about any and all things. Just remember, opinions are like assholes and everyone has one.Seems like there's a shitload of sergeants in Atlanta.
Seems like there's a shitload of sergeants in Atlanta.Yep a shitload of sergeants equipped with oversized testicles....lol
TechSticles
04-16-20, 17:19
20-year Army veteran, fuckstick. And you?And me. I did my time. Not in the army. I'm not sure I believe you though.
TechSticles
04-16-20, 17:21
I love how these racist pricks always forget to mention his "European ancestors" arriving in this country and stealing it from the Native Americans and then proceeding to commit genocide against them with mass murder and disease.These fuckwads act like they settled the country or some shit.
1st of the 8th out of Lejeune. 21 years. E-7.
KimJungHung
04-16-20, 18:01
I see cabin fever is spreading and everyone is irritable.
These fuckwads act like they settled the country or some shit.Any Native American has the God-given right to walk up to any of us and flip the bird in our face and say: "Get the fuck out of MY country".
They were here first. Finders keepers. We learned that lesson in grade school. Anything else is theft.
And me. I did my time. Not in the army. I'm not sure I believe you though.I don't care if you believe me, though you might see me speaking at a Veterans Day event someday, which I do every year. When I arrived at the MEPS, it was 20 years, 10 days, 7 hours and 43 minutes before I walked away for good with a crumpled, folded flag that some admin bish handed to me as she recited a pre-written "goodbye" statement in a basement office of a building at Ft. Meade. Quite a shit way to close out a career. Best medals? Bronze Star with a "v" device and 3 MSMs.
I come from a heavy, military service lineage dating back to before the Civil War. I have only one sibling who didn't serve in the military. To reiterate one last time, I give a shit not if you or any one else believes me.
Lastly, I have no desire to argue with you, so can we get back to our regularly scheduled Rant and Rave bullshit about C-19?
I love how these racist pricks always forget to mention his "European ancestors" arriving in this country and stealing it from the Native Americans and then proceeding to commit genocide against them with mass murder and disease.Those alleged, 'racist pricks,' as you choose to erroneously label them, paved the way for your sorry ass to come here and rant about shit you know nothing about, nor contributed to in any meaningful manner.
FYI, my 'racist' ancestors lived up north where slavery didn't exist and where Indians were already long gone, so they had no part in what you're uneducatedly suggesting. Case in point: My grandfather gave a job on his dairy farm to a couple of black drifters looking for work. Paid them an honest wage, said they were two of the best farm hands he ever had and obviously didn't give a shit about melanin content, yet people with DMS (such as you), would still call him a racist bastard. Just a wild guess, but I assume his intent was to get the crops in, the cows milked and the chickens fed so he could go back to the house, eat dinner, take a bath and bone my grandmother after his kids fell asleep.
And, by the way, I didn't forget to mention a single detail. I bet if I watched you for 24 hours I'd discover a few dozens ways as to how racist or fucked up you are in general.
Final word: You owe General Custer a blowjob. Bring your favorite knee pads.
SeekingHead
04-16-20, 19:43
Doesn't really depend on a hypothetical who might have it or who doesn't. It all comes down to numbers. If the case numbers drop to near zero in July then everything should re-open to normal.
The big question becomes what happens if there is a rebound wave, such as what's happening in China? If a few dozen cases start popping up in October, do we go into a national lock down again, or just aggressively shut down only those areas where cases are growing?100% this, isolate get this fucking thing under control, reopen for business in the middle of July. Once we get the rate down to around 1% we can isolate the pockets & people who are carriers. After this we effectively eliminate the virus, 95% of things return to normal we just don't have church, concerts, large gatherings & sporting events.
Now strip clubs are an essential business & need to re-open asap, plus I need to bang my SB again.
100% this, isolate get this fucking thing under control, reopen for business in the middle of July. Once we get the rate down to around 1% we can isolate the pockets & people who are carriers. After this we effectively eliminate the virus, 95% of things return to normal we just don't have church, concerts, large gatherings & sporting events.
Now strip clubs are an essential business & need to re-open asap, plus I need to bang my SB again.LOL how is a strip club an essential business?
Doesn't really depend on a hypothetical who might have it or who doesn't. It all comes down to numbers. If the case numbers drop to near zero in July then everything should re-open to normal.
The big question becomes what happens if there is a rebound wave, such as what's happening in China? If a few dozen cases start popping up in October, do we go into a national lock down again, or just aggressively shut down only those areas where cases are growing?Too many factors to make a prediction. The expectation is that the number will go down during the summer months, although preliminary data from Southern Hemisphere shows that this virus is pretty immune to temperature as its not an influenza strain. So the big question is if we back off on the social distancing and can get more people thru the infection with little to mild symptoms. Meanwhile isolate / protect the elderly and immune compromised, then we should be in good shape come the fall, when (not if) this virus flares up. No matter what you hear, there will not be a vaccine until 2021, the testing regimens / clinical trials will take that long). So we will have this with use a least another round.
HobbyMan51
04-17-20, 01:05
Any Native American has the God-given right to walk up to any of us and flip the bird in our face and say: "Get the fuck out of MY country".
They were here first. Finders keepers. We learned that lesson in grade school. Anything else is theftYes they were here first. No they were not treated well or even fairly. Even being treated poorly would have been better than how they were treated. But, that is history. I have not talked with anyone who does not regret what happened to Native Americans and how they were treated. I can't change that. No one can. You can be angry about it all you like but what took place cannot be changed and history cannot be re-written. Things like that have happened since the dawn of time and involved many different races of people on all continents. It is what we humans do to each other. I don't like it either but that is the way it is.
In the words of Ron "Tater Salad" White they have the right but not the ability.
BobSugarSmith
04-17-20, 08:59
LOL how is a strip club an essential business?Let us have this one. They can dress as drs and nurses or something. Make it like the scene in the sopranos.
Any Native American has the God-given right to walk up to any of us and flip the bird in our face and say: "Get the fuck out of MY country".
They were here first. Finders keepers. We learned that lesson in grade school. Anything else is theft.You're free to leave at any time.
When Cuomo cried that he would need 40,000 ventilators or people would die and at most, he used just a tad bit over 5,000; that should prove that people were running more scared and not using common sense.Well, U.S. President Cuomo, opps sorry I meant NewYork Governor Cuomo, had every reason to be concerned about how fast COVID-19 was spreading in NewYork. See attached chart.
Strikingly, in the state of New York, the number of people who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death in fact, more than twice the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.
In the worst week of the 2017-18 flu season, New York saw 218 deaths from flu and pneumonia and 2,098 total from all causes. Last week, the state saw 4,694 reported Covid-19 deaths alone. These figures must put to rest the dying with but not of line of skepticism. The idea that this many people would have died anyway even without Covid-19 is simply not credible.
I commend you in your effort in trying to talk sense to the ignorant masses.
Well, President Cuomo, opps sorry I meant NewYork Governor Cuomo, had every reason to be concerned about how fast COVID-19 was spreading in NewYork. See attached chart.
Strikingly, in the state of New York, the number of people who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death in fact, more than twice the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.
In the worst week of the 2017-18 flu season, New York saw 218 deaths from flu and pneumonia and 2,098 total from all causes. Last week, the state saw 4,694 reported Covid-19 deaths alone. These figures must put to rest the dying with but not of line of skepticism. The idea that this many people would have died anyway even without Covid-19 is simply not credible.
TechSticles
04-17-20, 16:17
You're free to leave at any time.He's also free to stay and try to change things for the better. You could leave.
He's also free to stay and try to change things for the better. You could leaveI already bought one-way tickets for both of you to a deserted island in the Pacific.
Let us have this one. They can dress as drs and nurses or something. Make it like the scene in the sopranos.Good luck on that LOL.
Aaron Hamlet
04-22-20, 09:22
'But the USC data does offer some reassuring news: COVID-19 death rates may be lower than expected. When experts factor in those additional cases, the mortality rate plummets to less than 0.2 percent. '.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-can-coronavirus-antibody-tests-actually-tell-us-n1188721
'which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have been infected. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county at the time of the study in early April. '.
https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody-testing-results-covid-19-infections-los-angeles-county/
'But the USC data does offer some reassuring news: COVID-19 death rates may be lower than expected. When experts factor in those additional cases, the mortality rate plummets to less than 0.2 percent. '.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-can-coronavirus-antibody-tests-actually-tell-us-n1188721
'which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have been infected. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county at the time of the study in early April. '.
https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody-testing-results-covid-19-infections-los-angeles-county/Yes, and when then the CDC can start catching up on the backlog of cadaver tests to see if Covid was a cause of death / contributing factor, we will get a better picture. Honestly, if you want to gamble with your health, by all mean feel free. Just keep at least 6 feet away from anyone when you are out, that it not too big an ask.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Santa-Clara-county-coronavirus-February-deaths-15217371.php
SeekingHead
04-24-20, 13:47
LOL how is a strip club an essential business?A lot of pent up sexual frustrations need to be released.
BigDaddyRob
04-24-20, 16:53
Has anyone been hearing reports of rather the Covid19 is declining or increasing? I don't watch much news and not seeing much on social media. I did hear by May should be info of whether it'll all be "back to normal" (hence the quotes).https://dhpexternal.dph.ga.gov/ncovreps/daily_rolling_cases.png
https://dhpexternal.dph.ga.gov/ncovreps/daily_rolling_deaths.png
BigDaddyRob
04-24-20, 17:03
As Georgia has a population of approximately 10.5 million, ". 01 of 1%" equals approximately 1050 people. We have lost 838 as of this writing with little sign of a let up. The Governor's efforts to open the economy early will only cause the death rate to increase, so I think your estimate is wildly optimistic.Not to mention the 20% that get hospitalized, anyone I have heard of that had it bad felt like they were dying, and on top of that it often takes weeks to recover, so not thanks, I will pass on this came of roulette.
Models are only as good as the data that you enter.
The guy that did the "gold standard model" has redid it 7 times and it keeps going down.
Now down to 60 k deaths or less by September. Thats a long way from the 500,000 he had on his first model, that's was used to scare us all into shutting to entire country down.
We are over 50 K deaths in the US already, on April 24, only another 10 K between now and September would be an excellent outcome -- seems unlikely though. If I was a betting man, I would take the over.
On CNBC this morning, Dr. Scott Gottlieb (former head of the FDA and still friendly with Trump Administration) said that what Georgia is doing now, opening up these types of places before the state has hit its peak of infections, is a model of "exactly what not to do. ".
Hopefully the MANNER in which these places open up again will show that it isn't such a bad idea as feared. News footage I have seen, while purely anecdotal, does suggest that most of these establishments are taking safety precautions, such as the wearing of face masks and comprehensive disinfecting between customers, even if they can't maintain 6 feet of social distancing. But that's hair salons and tattoo parlors -- massage parlors, which is obviously what we are all most concerned about specifically, are the wild card. Of course, we are looking at this question from the perspective of the types of massages that WE like to get, but there's no reason why both masseuse and customer can't be wearing face masks during a legitimate massage.
Anyway, looking forward to reading accounts of how this is working on the practical level, both in Georgia in general and in our little corner of the hobby specifically.
We are over 50 K deaths in the US already, on April 24, only another 10 K between now and September would be an excellent outcome -- seems unlikely though. If I was a betting man, I would take the over.
On CNBC this morning, Dr. Scott Gottlieb (former head of the FDA and still friendly with Trump Administration) said that what Georgia is doing now, opening up these types of places before the state has hit its peak of infections, is a model of "exactly what not to do. ".
Hopefully the MANNER in which these places open up again will show that it isn't such a bad idea as feared. News footage I have seen, while purely anecdotal, does suggest that most of these establishments are taking safety precautions, such as the wearing of face masks and comprehensive disinfecting between customers, even if they can't maintain 6 feet of social distancing. But that's hair salons and tattoo parlors -- massage parlors, which is obviously what we are all most concerned about specifically, are the wild card. Of course, we are looking at this question from the perspective of the types of massages that WE like to get, but there's no reason why both masseuse and customer can't be wearing face masks during a legitimate massage.
Anyway, looking forward to reading accounts of how this is working on the practical level, both in Georgia in general and in our little corner of the hobby specifically.As for parlors, the feedback I got today from 6 parlors was that nobody was wearing a face mask.
"Welcome to the jungle, we got fun and games. ".
We are over 50 K deaths in the US already, on April 24, only another 10 K between now and September would be an excellent outcome -- seems unlikely though. If I was a betting man, I would take the over.
On CNBC this morning, Dr. Scott Gottlieb (former head of the FDA and still friendly with Trump Administration) said that what Georgia is doing now, opening up these types of places before the state has hit its peak of infections, is a model of "exactly what not to do. ".
Hopefully the MANNER in which these places open up again will show that it isn't such a bad idea as feared. News footage I have seen, while purely anecdotal, does suggest that most of these establishments are taking safety precautions, such as the wearing of face masks and comprehensive disinfecting between customers, even if they can't maintain 6 feet of social distancing. But that's hair salons and tattoo parlors -- massage parlors, which is obviously what we are all most concerned about specifically, are the wild card. Of course, we are looking at this question from the perspective of the types of massages that WE like to get, but there's no reason why both masseuse and customer can't be wearing face masks during a legitimate massage.
Anyway, looking forward to reading accounts of how this is working on the practical level, both in Georgia in general and in our little corner of the hobby specifically.Yes, I agree that we'll prob go over the 60,000 #by Sept.
My only point was that his "model", 60 k is a long long way from 2. 2 million /500,000 k /220,000 k ect. ,that was the basis for starting this whole shutdown fear mess anyway.
Had the models been closer to the real outcome I don't think it would've been nearly as bad, as far as.
Impact.
Also there were reports all over about the coroner's over reporting the cause of death in possibly 1000's or at least 100's of deaths that may or may not have been caused by covid. ,. so maybe in a few months when all the testing gets caught up and all the numbers are scrutinized,. Maybe just maybe we'll have a better idea if all this was necessary after all.
In the mean time I guess these business owners should have the opportunity to make $ and keep from going bankrupt thru no fault of there own.
Is it really fair to say well mr convenience store owner, and grocery store owners, pizza hut dominos, dollar stores ect. , y'all can figure out how to operate as safely as you can,
But everyone else shut down till we say you can open, I don't think the constitutionality of that will hold up, and I think most have been very very calm, and taken the hit for all of us and now should be allowed to carry on with their business IF, THEY WANT TO....SAFELY AS THEY CAN. and those that don't or aren't ready yet then they don't have to. same with customers, its not mandatory to go out and visit any of these businesses....if u don't want to u don't have to. Seems reasonable to me.
Staying home is not going to make the virus go away, whenever we do finally go out its still going to be there. Might as well figure it out now before we bankrupt the entire country, and all our grandkids kids will still have to be paying on this deficit.
M454.
Yes, I agree that we'll prob go over the 60,000 #by Sept.
My only point was that his "model", 60 k is a long long way from 2. 2 million /500,000 k /220,000 k ect. ,that was the basis for starting this whole shutdown fear mess anyway.
Had the models been closer to the real outcome I don't think it would've been nearly as bad, as far as.
Impact.
Also there were reports all over about the coroner's over reporting the cause of death in possibly 1000's or at least 100's of deaths that may or may not have been caused by covid. ,. so maybe in a few months when all the testing gets caught up and all the numbers are scrutinized,. Maybe just maybe we'll have a better idea if all this was necessary after all.
In the mean time I guess these business owners should have the opportunity to make $ and keep from going bankrupt thru no fault of there own.
Is it really fair to say well mr convenience store owner, and grocery store owners, pizza hut dominos, dollar stores ect. , y'all can figure out how to operate as safely as you can,
But everyone else shut down till we say you can open, I don't think the constitutionality of that will hold up, and I think most have been very very calm, and taken the hit for all of us and now should be allowed to carry on with their business IF, THEY WANT TO....SAFELY AS THEY CAN. and those that don't or aren't ready yet then they don't have to. same with customers, its not mandatory to go out and visit any of these businesses....if u don't want to u don't have to. Seems reasonable to me.
Staying home is not going to make the virus go away, whenever we do finally go out its still going to be there. Might as well figure it out now before we bankrupt the entire country, and all our grandkids kids will still have to be paying on this deficit.
M454.Well said sir! Many businesses, including the one that supports my family, is now hanging on by a thread. If we cannot get the economy moving again soon, many more lives will be destroyed by the financial downturn than by the virus. Furthermore, anybody who is not comfortable going to get an haircut (or massage) can simply not go. If I can get a barber to agree to cut my hair for a fee, we should be free to make that transaction without government interference. BTW, that principle should apply to the hobby also. It's a matter of liberty.
Well said sir! Many businesses, including the one that supports my family, is now hanging on by a thread. If we cannot get the economy moving again soon, many more lives will be destroyed by the financial downturn than by the virus. Furthermore, anybody who is not comfortable going to get an haircut (or massage) can simply not go. If I can get a barber to agree to cut my hair for a fee, we should be free to make that transaction without government interference. BTW, that principle should apply to the hobby also. It's a matter of liberty.https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/
This seems not to match the reported death total.
I think this says as of today the Total deaths from covid19 is 24,555.
Someone else take a look at that and see if I'm reading it wrong.
Well said sir! Many businesses, including the one that supports my family, is now hanging on by a thread. If we cannot get the economy moving again soon, many more lives will be destroyed by the financial downturn than by the virus. Furthermore, anybody who is not comfortable going to get an haircut (or massage) can simply not go. If I can get a barber to agree to cut my hair for a fee, we should be free to make that transaction without government interference. BTW, that principle should apply to the hobby also. It's a matter of liberty.Yep I know 3 other businessmen and women that are hurting. Nothing coming in, no unemployment, no ppp loan yet, no Stimulus check. Nothing.
So what are they supposed to Do? A business you busted your butt for 10 years building, in a matter of a couple months, through no fault of there own, is hurting.
I don't know, it just breaks my heart to see us do this to ourselves.
Maybe it'll start to get better for all of us.
M454.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/
This seems not to match the reported death total.
I think this says as of today the Total deaths from covid19 is 24,555.
Someone else take a look at that and see if I'm reading it wrong.See the blue box at the top of the page that explains it. Also see the Technical Notes section at the bottom of the page.
"Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available. ".
A couple of posters said "if we get to 60 k by September. ". We're losing around 2,000 a day to COVID-19. We'll probably be at 60,000 next week.
See the blue box at the top of the page that explains it. Also see the Technical Notes section at the bottom of the page.
"Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available. ".
A couple of posters said "if we get to 60 k by September. ". We're losing around 2,000 a day to COVID-19. We'll probably be at 60,000 next week.We are at 50 k.
LuvThemTugs
04-25-20, 09:58
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/24/stanford-scott-atlas-end-isolation/
I'm not living my life in fear.
If you go to this interview, you will understand.
Aaron Hamlet
04-25-20, 13:12
We're losing around 2,000 a day to COVID-19. We'll probably be at 60,000 next week.Could happen. But NY has over 40%, NY / NJ metro areas have over 50% of all US China virus deaths. Other than backdating / back coding deaths in NY, both states are well off their daily peaks.
Sgt Lurker
04-25-20, 13:35
Could happen. But NY has over 40%, NY / NJ metro areas have over 50% of all US China virus deaths. Other than backdating / back coding deaths in NY, both states are well off their daily peaks.It is really quite simple people, as long as America is the Land of Free and operates a capitalist society, if you own a business you are free to open it here in GA under the rules put into place and you are free to stay closed. As a consumer, you are free to partake and you are free to stay home. I choose to live life based on knowledge and common sense and not out of fear.
RiverRat99
04-25-20, 13:37
See the blue box at the top of the page that explains it. Also see the Technical Notes section at the bottom of the page.
"Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available. ".
A couple of posters said "if we get to 60 k by September. ". We're losing around 2,000 a day to COVID-19. We'll probably be at 60,000 next week.There's a real opportunity here to pressure congress, organizations like the ACLU, city and state governments to legalize sex work and regulate it. I know we all fear the fact that we could be bringing home corona because unless your'e wearing a full body condom, you are at risk. The issues used to be HIV / STD and Human trafficking as reasons to move to a legal, regulated system. Now there is Corona. A Trifecta. It's not like the worlds oldest profession is just going to disappear in the USA or anywhere else. So why aren't people talking about legalizing sex work?
Politicians don't want to deal with it- but at this point it is a very real possibility that they will have to. Pushing it underground only ensures that Corona will continue to proliferate, most likely evolve into ongoing varying strains making vaccination a myth and making testing the most powerful means of prevention.
Contact the ACLU, the WHO, your congressman or just tell your buddy. It's time that the dollars generated in sex work were not shared with the government in the form of court fees, fines, penalties etc for sex workers and their clients. This money should instead be used to protect us and all sex workers. I'd really rather not worry about my face being in a mug shot or involved in a bust. Maybe there is a slight chance for change.
Aaron Hamlet
04-25-20, 19:35
'In four USA State prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms'.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in-idUSKCN2270RX
Yep I know 3 other businessmen and women that are hurting. Nothing coming in, no unemployment, no ppp loan yet, no Stimulus check. Nothing.
So what are they supposed to Do? A business you busted your butt for 10 years building, in a matter of a couple months, through no fault of there own, is hurting.
I don't know, it just breaks my heart to see us do this to ourselves.
Maybe it'll start to get better for all of us.
M454.I'm less sympathetic. Other states are letting small business owners get uninsurance and ensuring they are getting ppp loans for their state businesses. I personally know a couple of people in Florida that own a car dealership and tailoring business respectively and they are getting $300+$600 per week and the stimulus check and ppp loans. From the research I looked at a while ago. Georgia could only pay uninsurance for the number of people who filed for 2 weeks which is why I suspect the rush to reopen. If you are hurting it is because of your elected state leadership.
However, your pain In the pocketbook should not translate to a safety and wellness issue for my family. The more businesses open the increased risk factor for everyone we arent that many degrees of separation whether I don't go get a hair cut or not there is still an increased risk to me the more asymptomatic people there are roaming about. That's just my unpopular opinion.
I'm less sympathetic. Other states are letting small business owners get uninsurance and ensuring they are getting ppp loans for their state businesses. I personally know a couple of people in Florida that own a car dealership and tailoring business respectively and they are getting $300+$600 per week and the stimulus check and ppp loans. From the research I looked at a while ago. Georgia could only pay uninsurance for the number of people who filed for 2 weeks which is why I suspect the rush to reopen. If you are hurting it is because of your elected state leadership.
However, your pain In the pocketbook should not translate to a safety and wellness issue for my family. The more businesses open the increased risk factor for everyone we arent that many degrees of separation whether I don't go get a hair cut or not there is still an increased risk to me the more asymptomatic people there are roaming about. That's just my unpopular opinion.Few observations. I know my son who attends UCF and worked part time until this pandemic (I don't claim him on my taxes). File for unemployment 3 weeks ago. He still has not gotten a check, nor have his roommates. So its hit or miss on Florida unemployment. As for Georgia, part of the reason you stated contributes to the rush to reopen. A bigger part is that Georgia tax revenue and budget are expected to run 4 B in deficits over the next 2 years. So no economic activity, no revenue for the state. Now, was it a smart move to open the business with the highest potential for spreading this virus? Only time will tell. And yes some businesses in Georgia have gotten PPP and EIDL loans. And I know of a few people in my neighborhood that have gotten their Stimulus checks. The struggle continues for a lot of our neighbors / family and friends.
Jim.
COVID19 the 21st century STD.
However, your pain In the pocketbook should not translate to a safety and wellness issue for my family. The more businesses open the increased risk factor for everyone we arent that many degrees of separation whether I don't go get a hair cut or not there is still an increased risk to me the more asymptomatic people there are roaming about. That's just my unpopular opinion.Because this is the justification for everybody who wants to ignore the growing body of evidence that says corona isn't nearly as lethal as originally thought. Explain to me exactly how somebody else relaxing the draconian restrictions that have been put in place increase your risk if you continue to obey them?
Stay at home, don't go out, have everything you need delivered, create a hot zone in your garage where you disinfect everything coming into your house and stay at home. Why does everybody else have to do the same when you, and anybody else, can easily isolate yourself?
In other countries you might be able to make a point but in the US, in Atlanta, you don't ever have to set foot out your front door.
No joke, explain that to me because so far nobody has.
Just my. 02 cents again, any serious attempt to put coronavirus deaths in context by comparing it to some other cause of death in a previous year must acknowledge the marked differences in the Covid-19 trend most notably, the rapid spike in deaths that is still underway, and the wide range of uncertainty about when it will peak, how high it will peak, and whether it will peak only once. As long as the pandemic is rapidly spreading, these comparisons will be fraught.
Aaron Hamlet
04-26-20, 12:40
Europe went thru China virus approx one month before US. Data from Germany, Italy and Sweden show a lockdown did nothing to slow the RO. By the time lockdown put in place, that curve had already been flattened and was heading downwards. Lockdown didn't change the trajectory. But be afraid. Be very afraid. Pray for your gubmit check and a chunk of gubmint cheese.
Sgt Lurker
04-26-20, 13:28
Interesting report from front-line Doctors in Bakersfield, CA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTHuCOjAy8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2pbytjplr74AsSi7N334Ed-NDbUVHbTXWv6fWga-dil-WsNZTnxAvvy2U
Because this is the justification for everybody who wants to ignore the growing body of evidence that says corona isn't nearly as lethal as originally thought. Explain to me exactly how somebody else relaxing the draconian restrictions that have been put in place increase your risk if you continue to obey them?
Stay at home, don't go out, have everything you need delivered, create a hot zone in your garage where you disinfect everything coming into your house and stay at home. Why does everybody else have to do the same when you, and anybody else, can easily isolate yourself?
In other countries you might be able to make a point but in the US, in Atlanta, you don't ever have to set foot out your front door.
No joke, explain that to me because so far nobody has.
Aaron Hamlet
04-26-20, 13:36
Interesting report from front-line Doctors in Bakersfield, CA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTHuCOjAy8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2pbytjplr74AsSi7N334Ed-NDbUVHbTXWv6fWga-dil-WsNZTnxAvvy2U"Pressured to add Covid as a cause of death. ".
$13 k extra taxpayer dollars paid to hospitals for ea covid death. Wonder if that's why Dr's are being pressured to over count? Hospital admins wouldn't do that, spread fear, only to increase profits would they? Media wouldn't spread fear for page hits and viewers which equates to additional ad revenue dollars, would they?
Johnny Mapalo
04-26-20, 15:15
Europe went thru China virus approx one month before US. Data from Germany, Italy and Sweden show a lockdown did nothing to slow the RO. By the time lockdown put in place, that curve had already been flattened and was heading downwards. Lockdown didn't change the trajectory. But be afraid. Be very afraid. Pray for your gubmit check and a chunk of gubmint cheese.
"Pressured to add Covid as a cause of death. ".
$13 k extra taxpayer dollars paid to hospitals for ea covid death. Wonder if that's why Dr's are being pressured to over count? Hospital admins wouldn't do that, spread fear, only to increase profits would they?Do not awaken the blind sheep! Big government is there to protect them from that wicked death sentence named Coronavirus. Man, gtfoh with this Coronavirus exxagerrated government-made nonsense. Looks like some Sci-fi fiction shit straight off the Disney channel. Just the other day, they claimed some public official had his leg amputated due to complications from Cororonavirus. Smh. Little Trayvon Devontataetay Martin Brown recently got shot in a drive-by shooting. He also died due to complications from Coronavirus. This Coronavirus farce is getting ridiculously out of hand now.
Because this is the justification for everybody who wants to ignore the growing body of evidence that says corona isn't nearly as lethal as originally thought. Explain to me exactly how somebody else relaxing the draconian restrictions that have been put in place increase your risk if you continue to obey them?
Stay at home, don't go out, have everything you need delivered, create a hot zone in your garage where you disinfect everything coming into your house and stay at home. Why does everybody else have to do the same when you, and anybody else, can easily isolate yourself?
In other countries you might be able to make a point but in the US, in Atlanta, you don't ever have to set foot out your front door.
No joke, explain that to me because so far nobody has.Even if it is less deadly to the general population it is still very deadly to a certain demographic of the population and it is very infectious. Everyone else has to do the same because it is capable of infecting any and everyone. Your logic amounts to having a pissing section in the swimming pool. Do you really believe that if people piss in a certain corner of the pool that everyone in that pool isn't going to be swimming in pissy water? Atlanta isn't on an isolated island, I'm pretty sure if the virus can find an infectious path from Wuhan China to Albany and Atlanta Georgia it can eventually affect any and everyone.
Europe went thru China virus approx one month before US. Data from Germany, Italy and Sweden show a lockdown did nothing to slow the RO. By the time lockdown put in place, that curve had already been flattened and was heading downwards. Lockdown didn't change the trajectory. But be afraid. Be very afraid. Pray for your gubmit check and a chunk of gubmint cheese.The evidence from South Korea and Taiwan begs to differ. They locked down and tested very aggressively and it worked. When didn't do the same as early and now it is beyond our ability to quarantine and testing capacity. What we have left as a good path forward is a lockdown.
Sgt Lurker
04-26-20, 16:17
Even if it is less deadly to the general population it is still very deadly to a certain demographic of the population and it is very infectious. Everyone else has to do the same because it is capable of infecting any and everyone. Your logic amounts to having a pissing section in the swimming pool. Do you really believe that if people piss in a certain corner of the pool that everyone in that pool isn't going to be swimming in pissy water? Atlanta isn't on an isolated island, I'm pretty sure if the virus can find an infectious path from Wuhan China to Albany and Atlanta Georgia it can eventually affect any and everyone.So your response is everyone has to be dragged down for the sake of those who must be more protective, either for their own health or for someone who might live with them? That's as dumb as Cobb Schools telling me I cannot send a Coke with my son's lunch because everyone did not get a coke.
Even if it is less deadly to the general population it is still very deadly to a certain demographic of the population and it is very infectious. Everyone else has to do the same because it is capable of infecting any and everyone. Your logic amounts to having a pissing section in the swimming pool. Do you really believe that if people piss in a certain corner of the pool that everyone in that pool isn't going to be swimming in pissy water? Atlanta isn't on an isolated island, I'm pretty sure if the virus can find an infectious path from Wuhan China to Albany and Atlanta Georgia it can eventually affect any and everyone.You can keep side stepping if you want. I asked a very specific question. My logic doesn't amount to a pissing section in the swimming pool, they used to have kiddie pools so adults didn't have to swim in piss, my logic says if you don't want to swim in pissy water don't go into the pool.
Answer the question or don't but if you're going to continue deflecting I'll just assume you don't because you can't.
HobbyMan51
04-26-20, 16:34
Even if it is less deadly to the general population it is still very deadly to a certain demographic of the population and it is very infectious. Everyone else has to do the same because it is capable of infecting any and everyone. Your logic amounts to having a pissing section in the swimming pool. Do you really believe that if people piss in a certain corner of the pool that everyone in that pool isn't going to be swimming in pissy water? Atlanta isn't on an isolated island, I'm pretty sure if the virus can find an infectious path from Wuhan China to Albany and Atlanta Georgia it can eventually affect any and everyone.Please explain to us why everyone has to do the same? Admin2 and others have asked you the same question and your only answer seems to be "because I say so". Yes, the virus is quite deadly to that certain demographic that you mention, the older ones among us who have serious existing medical conditions already. The vast majority of the rest of us, even if we get it, are highly, HIGHLY, unlikely to suffer the same fate as this group. And yet to you and others like you, the ONLY solution is for EVERYONE to hide under their beds for the next two years until there are no more virus cases left. Of course there will be no more economy left either and the resulting societal breakdown WILL result in chaos and death that will make the toll of this virus seem insignificant in comparison but that does not seem to even cross the minds of people like you. Stay in your own corner and piss away if you like. The rest of us demand our lives back and by god we are going to get them. I would strongly suggest that you and others like you stay out of our way. Our way is the common sense way. We CAN and WILL get back to work while protecting the vulnerable. It CAN and WILL be done. The only thing preventing that is doom and gloom chicken littles like you whose agendas are, at the least, puzzling and at the most, calculated and sinister. Those of us with common sense, and there are many more of us than you, will fight through this stranglehold imposed on us by thinkers like you and we will see the light of day again, much to your crowd's disapproval I am sure.
HobbyMan51
04-26-20, 16:45
I'm less sympathetic. Other states are letting small business owners get uninsurance and ensuring they are getting ppp loans for their state businesses. I personally know a couple of people in Florida that own a car dealership and tailoring business respectively and they are getting $300+$600 per week and the stimulus check and ppp loans. From the research I looked at a while ago. Georgia could only pay uninsurance for the number of people who filed for 2 weeks which is why I suspect the rush to reopen. If you are hurting it is because of your elected state leadership.
However, your pain In the pocketbook should not translate to a safety and wellness issue for my family. The more businesses open the increased risk factor for everyone we arent that many degrees of separation whether I don't go get a hair cut or not there is still an increased risk to me the more asymptomatic people there are roaming about. That's just my unpopular opinion.Your opinion is unpopular because it is myopic and stupid and lacks any shred of common sense. As I said in my last post, stay under your bed if you are that afraid. And please stop already with the emotional disingenuousness of referring to the safety and wellness of your family. For their sake please keep them under the bed with you if that makes you feel better. But, to demand that the rest of us adhere to your dogma is just narcissistic, domineering totalitarianism. There's a lot of that out there right now from those with a political agenda to those who just don't know any better and you had better know that we are not going to put up with that crap, not now or ever.
You can keep side stepping if you want. I asked a very specific question. My logic doesn't amount to a pissing section in the swimming pool, they used to have kiddie pools so adults didn't have to swim in piss, my logic says if you don't want to swim in pissy water don't go into the pool.
Answer the question or don't but if you're going to continue deflecting I'll just assume you don't because you can't.I answered your question. I just didn't answer it the way you want me to answer it. I didn't sidestep it, I clearly gave you my response. Our pool is human civilization on Earth. I thought I made this as clear as day when I illustrated how the virus bled over from China to Georgia. There is no "kiddy pool". So let me spell it out to you. I live in a society by definition I do not exist alone. I have family friends, people who I wish to interact with one day and trying to find some type of "hedge" or "middle ground" is counter-productive to slowing the infection rate for everyone. My sister is a nurse fighting on the front lines in NJ, my mom is a nurse fighting the good fight in Mississippi. The more people that are socializing and are out and about; then that means more are infected, thereby increasing COVID related visits to emergency facilities. This is creating increased risk in an already high-risk situation to healthcare professionals like my mom and sister. Their livelihood, health (both physical and mental), and wellness affect me. Irrespective if I become a hermit or not.
Virus and disease is a societal issue that requires the cooperation of people in society to fight effectively. It has been that way for throughout germ warfare in human history with herd immunity, Polio vaccine, MMR vaccine, malaria and every other virus and disease we collectively try to fight. Sorry that your "freedom" or your echo chamber doesn't allow you to understand that a small sacrifice for 2, 4, 6, 8 or 10 months of your life is being inconvenienced by staying in a temperature-controlled environment, with running water, freshwater, and food; allow some to get the treatment in a hospital and save their life. In what would be an otherwise completely overrun healthcare system.
Lives are being saved because the overwhelming majority are staying on lockdown and yes lives are being lost, unfortunately at a still staggering rate. But if I have to sit in the house all day to give the system a chance to catch up and our Epidemiologist a chance to collect, analyze and figure out data to make the best chance of saving lives or avoiding infection going forward. I'm all in.
Aaron Hamlet
04-26-20, 17:18
The evidence from South Korea and Taiwan begs to differ. They locked down and tested very aggressively and it worked. When didn't do the same as early and now it is beyond our ability to quarantine and testing capacity. What we have left as a good path forward is a lockdown.No it doesn't beg to differ. It's the same. You are full of mis/disinformation. S Korea never locked down. Closed some bars and such early in April when daily cases were way below peak. How did cases peak, then subside w/o lockdowns in S Korea and Sweden, and before lockdowns in Italy and Germany? Look at their chart and tell me when S Korea locked down
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102777/south-korea-covid-19-daily-new-cases/
Member #6047
04-26-20, 17:27
This argument is the classic war between group thinkers and individual thinkers.
'In four USA State prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms'.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in-idUSKCN2270RXThere is no current antibody test for the current Sars-Cov-2 which is a specific strain.
No it doesn't beg to differ. It's the same. You are full of mis/disinformation. S Korea never locked down. Closed some bars and such early in April when daily cases were way below peak. How did cases peak, then subside w/o lockdowns in S Korea and Sweden, and before lockdowns in Italy and Germany? Look at their chart and tell me when S Korea locked down
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102777/south-korea-covid-19-daily-new-cases/Let me clarify before this turn to personal attacks about me being full of "misinformation". South Korea did quarantine. When they saw what was coming out of China; everyone that had even the remotest of symptoms they tested, quarantined and lockdowned those particular areas. The virus didn't get an opportunity to spread wide to the general population. They locked down geographical areas that had positive tests and then started random and sample testing all around the country. They did this on the first confirmed case on Jan 20th which was the same date that the US identified its first positive case.
IF you mean Lockdown as in shutting down all businesses in the country then yes you are correct. I mean lockdown as in where they found positive tests they locked down those particular areas. Why do I use the word lockdown. From my perspective when you quarantine it applies to those who are known positive and are restricted from movement. Like Chris Cuamo from CNN. Lockdown in my view is when you stop social gatherings, close businesses, and in an effort to stop or slow infections this applies those who have and havent tested positive.
So now on to your personal attack on. Exactly what bad information am I full of?
"South Korea has been effective in controlling the nation's mortality rate not through travel bans but instead through widespread rigorous quarantine measures and testing, now even exporting domestically produced test kits such as the 51,000 diagnostic products sent this week to the United Arab Emirates.
Most importantly, South Korea immediately began testing hundreds of thousands of asymptomatic people, including at drive-through centres. South Korea employed a central tracking app, Corona 100 m, that publicly informs citizens of known cases within 100 metres of where they are. Surprisingly, a culture that has often rebelliously rejected authoritarianism has embraced intrusive measures.
On 17 March, a temporary provision entailed a small subsidy of 454,900 South Korean won (313) a month to cover basic living expenses. The same funding is available to those who are self-isolating, regardless of whether they test positive for the virus. It's not hugely generous, but provides subsistence for those whose lives are upended by necessary measures such as the ministry of education's closure of schools. ".
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/south-korea-rapid-intrusive-measures-covid-19.
Aaron Hamlet
04-26-20, 18:27
IF you mean Lockdown as in shutting down all businesses in the country then yes you are correct. I mean lockdown as in where they found positive tests they locked down those particular areas. Why do I use the word lockdown. From my perspective you quarantine applies to those who are known positive and are restricted from movement. Like Chris Cuamo from CNN. Lockdown in my view is when you stop social gatherings, close businesses, and in an effort to stop or slow infections. Your own words were they locked down, not they locked down only particular areas. Now do Sweden, break that down for me. How without lockdowns their cases peaked and declined. Then do Italy and Germany and explain what good a lockdown was when cases had already peaked and were already declining and lockdown had no effect, good or bad, on trajectory of decline.
Restricted from movement like Chris Cuomo? You didn't hear the story of him w / o mask in the Hamptons looking at some land he'd just bought? You believe his televised skit where he scaled his basement steps was the first time he'd left his basement?
So your response is everyone has to be dragged down for the sake of those who must be more protective, either for their own health or for someone who might live with them? That's as dumb as Cobb Schools telling me I cannot send a Coke with my son's lunch because everyone did not get a coke.I'm sure it's only dumb because you don't agree with it. It's funny that you believe it is dumb because that is exactly how Herd immunity works. I am stunned you are belittling the concept of a society or herd immunity or even a police department. I mean we all pay taxes for schools and yet I have no kids. We pay taxes for fire department, why can't I opt out of that and have them bill me if my house ever catches fire, right? Or have the police bill me if I ever need their service right?
The protecting the public welfare requires (get this) cooperation of the public. Using your school analogy it's more like your son not being allowed in school because he hasnt been vaccinated.
Your own words were they locked down, not they locked down only particular areas. Now do Sweden, break that down for me. How without lockdowns their cases peaked and declined. Then do Italy and Germany and explain what good a lockdown was when cases had already peaked and were already declining and lockdown had no effect, good or bad, on trajectory of decline.
Restricted from movement like Chris Cuomo? You didn't hear the story of him w / o mask in the Hamptons looking at some land he'd just bought? You believe his televised skit where he scaled his basement steps was the first time he'd left his basement?Not sure what you are referencing about Sweden. Sweden Infection rate continues to grow, a country with the population size less than Georgia, without the population density of a Metro Atlanta area, has twice as many deaths and fewer known infections. That infection rate is growing on average 600+ a day with no aggressive testing to understand what the real number of infection rate is.
Aaron Hamlet
04-26-20, 20:17
That infection rate is growing on average 600+ a day with no aggressive testing to understand what the real number of infection rate is.Sweden's tested almost twice as many as US. More tests, more cases doesn't mean it's getting worse. You need both numbers. Test 200 a day and get 50 positives, ramp up to 2,000 tests daily and get 500 pos, ramp up to 200,000 and get 50,000 new cases. Is same as percent. A straight line. Not 'exponential' like many said. Vast majority are asymptomatic. As said multiple times before, many of us have / had virus. So many that the mortality rate is like a bad flu season at. 1 - . 2% with 99% of that being people over 65 and / or very sick to start with.
You wrote elsewhere, ' It's funny that you believe it is dumb because that is exactly how Herd immunity works. ' Your point is the exact opposite of herd immunity works. Lockdown all and immunity weakens. If 65 or older and / or very sick, morbidly obese to start with, lockdown. Stay home. The rest get out where 99+ % will be be fine. Won't even know they're sick if they are. They pass a weakened virus on, then a weaker, and a weakest. That's how herd immunity works.
You actually believed Chris Cuomo was restricted to his basement?
This is a person who tried to team with mongers on the Ocala forum against me, when I was trying to urge guys NOT to visit providers. Notice he loves to make comparisons. Covid 19 equal to car accidents. LOL. WTF is that fool talking about. You guys should check out his debate with me, (just click my name, Last post, was titled "Both sides of your Ass") 1 of my recent posts. He is saying going to the Grocery Store is equivalent to visiting a hooker, in attempts to earn the respect of the mongers by opposing me on this matter. After defending the mongers who would like to continue visiting providers during this pandemic, he later said, FLATTENING THE CURB IS A GOOD IDEA. (Which 1 is it?) In his first post against me, he also asks the question, "Why couldn't Covid 19 target guys like me and not the elderly?" I then put him in his place, on how that was a very rude and unnecessary comment, then I wished him and his family to stay safe. His next post, he ended by telling me to BE SAFE AND DON'T GO OUT IF I DON'T NEED TO? Motherfucka you never answered my question. When the Fuck will I need to out? Groceries and hookers poses the same threat according to you, and you defended the Ocala Mongers who still wants to play with them during this pandemic. Not that the numbers are pointless, but that's his best argument he can come up with, "Car accidents are blah blah blah thousand and Covid 19 deaths are that. Stfu you POS. Motherfuckin approval seeking bastard. I wish Admin2's parents never had sex, but rather his father should of shot that load down the toilet. Wished death on me and told me to be safe in 1 day. Says we should flatten the curb by not going out unless necessary but says hookers are okay to play with.
He had no comeback for me but I see he's still being a dick. Where is Admin 1? I want to speak to the horses head not the horses ass. Good job, and thankyou for going against the grain and standing for what's right, Anubis06. Sgt Soros, your 2 cents made a lot of sense. Stay safe bros. He said you never answered his question but he put his tail between his legs after our debate, and left. Pussy. A real Man speaks from the heart and what he believes in, and you won't find contradictions. On the other side of the coin, you have phoney posers who seek approval from others, and may appear logical but far from it. He took my posts and created a forum for it called "Stupid SHIT that has nothing to do with pussy to make himself look like he was doing something good for the other Mongers.... Um, my guy, aren't you sitting here discussing the same exact STUPID SHIT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PUSSY?Because it seems like the exact topic, my guy. Lol. Smh.Dude is a clown. Noone said the sky was falling you dick, it's just that when dealing with an enemy such as this virus that can spread so quickly, I'd prefer everyone to do their part united.
Bottom line is that you're are arguing with a JACKASS.
This is a person who tried to team with mongers on the Ocala forum against me, when I was trying to urge guys NOT to visit providers. Notice he loves to make comparisons. Covid 19 equal to car accidents. LOL. WTF is that fool talking about. You guys should check out his debate with me, (just click my name, Last post, was titled "Both sides of your Ass") 1 of my recent posts. He is saying going to the Grocery Store is equivalent to visiting a hooker, in attempts to earn the respect of the mongers by opposing me on this matter. After defending the mongers who would like to continue visiting providers during this pandemic, he later said, FLATTENING THE CURB IS A GOOD IDEA. (Which 1 is it?) In his first post against me, he also asks the question, "Why couldn't Covid 19 target guys like me and not the elderly?" I then put him in his place, on how that was a very rude and unnecessary comment, then I wished him and his family to stay safe. His next post, he ended by telling me to BE SAFE AND DON'T GO OUT IF I DON'T NEED TO? Motherfucka you never answered my question. When the Fuck will I need to out? Groceries and hookers poses the same threat according to you, and you defended the Ocala Mongers who still wants to play with them during this pandemic. Not that the numbers are pointless, but that's his best argument he can come up with, "Car accidents are blah blah blah thousand and Covid 19 deaths are that. Stfu you POS. Motherfuckin approval seeking bastard. I wish Admin2's parents never had sex, but rather his father should of shot that load down the toilet. Wished death on me and told me to be safe in 1 day. Says we should flatten the curb by not going out unless necessary but says hookers are okay to play with.
He had no comeback for me but I see he's still being a dick. Where is Admin 1? I want to speak to the horses head not the horses ass. Good job Anubis06, stay safe bro. He said you never answered his question but he put his tail between his legs after our debate, and left. Pussy. A real Man speaks from the heart and what he believes in, and you won't find contradictions. On the other side of the coin, you have phoney posers who seek approval from others, and may appear logical but far from it. He took my posts and created a forum for it called "Stupid SHIT that has nothing to do with pussy to make himself look like he was doing something good for the other Mongers.... Um, my guy, aren't you sitting here discussing the same exact STUPID SHIT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PUSSY?Because it seems like the exact topic, my guy. Lol. Smh.Dude is a clown.
Bottom line is that you're are arguing with a JACKASS.We all will get it going to get a Georgia peach can be both I mean so many people eat Georgia peaches especially down here in the south.
Sweden's tested almost twice as many as US. More tests, more cases doesn't mean it's getting worse. You need both numbers. Test 200 a day and get 50 positives, ramp up to 2,000 tests daily and get 500 pos, ramp up to 200,000 and get 50,000 new cases. Is same as percent. A straight line. Not 'exponential' like many said. Vast majority are asymptomatic. As said multiple times before, many of us have / had virus. So many that the mortality rate is like a bad flu season at. 1 - . 2% with 99% of that being people over 65 and / or very sick to start with.
You wrote elsewhere, ' It's funny that you believe it is dumb because that is exactly how Herd immunity works. ' Your point is the exact opposite of herd immunity works. Lockdown all and immunity weakens. If 65 or older and / or very sick, morbidly obese to start with, lockdown. Stay home. The rest get out where 99+ % will be be fine. Won't even know they're sick if they are. They pass a weakened virus on, then a weaker, and a weakest. That's how herd immunity works.
You actually believed Chris Cuomo was restricted to his basement?I will withdraw from the conversation because you are starting to make up numbers. "99+% will be fine" certainly a made up percentage. More test doesn't mean it's getting worse, more deaths based on their population does. Georgia has hardly been a paragon on how to handle this situation but even we have half the deaths of Sweden with about a million more people. Sweden has only tested 94,000 people in the past month and half.
According to Sweden, they have only tested 94,900 people.
Source Sweden Public Health agency: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige..
I'm neither interested in debating Chris Cuamo and your conspiracy theory. The fact you keep bringing it up kinda indicates something to me that I am better off withdrawing from the discussion. Best wishes.
Aaron Hamlet
04-26-20, 22:19
Sweden's tested almost twice per capita as US. More tests, more cases doesn't mean it's getting worse. You need both numbers. Test 200 a day and get 50 positives, ramp up to 2,000 tests daily and get 500 pos, ramp up to 200,000 and get 50,000 new cases. Is same as percent. A straight line. Not 'exponential' like many said. Vast majority are asymptomatic. As said multiple times before, many of us have / had virus. So many that the mortality rate is like a bad flu season at. 1 - . 2% with 99% of that being people over 65 and / or very sick to start with.
You wrote elsewhere, ' It's funny that you believe it is dumb because that is exactly how Herd immunity works. ' Your point is the exact opposite of herd immunity works. Lockdown all and immunity weakens. If 65 or older and / or very sick, morbidly obese to start with, lockdown. Stay home. The rest get out where 99+ % will be be fine. Won't even know they're sick if they are. They pass a weakened virus on, then a weaker, and a weakest. That's how herd immunity works.
You actually believed Chris Cuomo was restricted to his basement?*Sweden's tested almost twice per capita as US.
FLATTENING THE CURB IS A GOOD IDEA. Flatten the curve moron.
Flatten the curve moron.Ooooh shit, he caught me in a typo. Awwwww fuck, what to do? DAMN! 😂 weak comeback from a weak piece of shit! Thats why I like to speak with the head not the ass of an entity. Like I said, your pops should shot you down the toilet or should've wore a rubber that night. Lmfao. You're deserving of no respect pussy.
Ooooh shit, he caught me in a typo. Awwwww fuck, what to do? DAMN! 😂 weak comeback from a weak piece of shit! Like I said, your pops should shot you down the toilet or should've wore a rubber that night. Lmfao. You're deserving of no respect pussy.You're a semi-literate idiot, that wasn't a typo you thought all this time people were saying flatten the curb and not curve, if it was a typo you would have written curbe.
You're a fucking idiot. Now go get your fucking shine box.
I answered your question. I just didn't answer it the way you want me to answer it. I didn't sidestep it, I clearly gave you my response. Our pool is human civilization on Earth. I thought I made this as clear as day when I illustrated how the virus bled over from China to Georgia. There is no "kiddy pool". So let me spell it out to you. I live in a society by definition I do not exist alone. I have family friends, people who I wish to interact with one day and trying to find some type of "hedge" or "middle ground" is counter-productive to slowing the infection rate for everyone. My sister is a nurse fighting on the front lines in NJ, my mom is a nurse fighting the good fight in Mississippi. The more people that are socializing and are out and about; then that means more are infected, thereby increasing COVID related visits to emergency facilities. This is creating increased risk in an already high-risk situation to healthcare professionals like my mom and sister. Their livelihood, health (both physical and mental), and wellness affect me. Irrespective if I become a hermit or not.
Virus and disease is a societal issue that requires the cooperation of people in society to fight effectively. It has been that way for throughout germ warfare in human history with herd immunity, Polio vaccine, MMR vaccine, malaria and every other virus and disease we collectively try to fight. Sorry that your "freedom" or your echo chamber doesn't allow you to understand that a small sacrifice for 2, 4, 6, 8 or 10 months of your life is being inconvenienced by staying in a temperature-controlled environment, with running water, freshwater, and food; allow some to get the treatment in a hospital and save their life. In what would be an otherwise completely overrun healthcare system.
Lives are being saved because the overwhelming majority are staying on lockdown and yes lives are being lost, unfortunately at a still staggering rate. But if I have to sit in the house all day to give the system a chance to catch up and our Epidemiologist a chance to collect, analyze and figure out data to make the best chance of saving lives or avoiding infection going forward. I'm all in.You continue to deflect and no, you are not in lockdown, I live in a country on lockdown, we can go 500 meters from our front door for an hour a day and only to the grocery store and pharmacy.
You continue to ignore the difference in lethality between risk groups and instead require everybody to do what the highest risk groups have to do to the long term detriment to them all. You ignore the 2nd and 3rd order effects of the economic disaster that's brewing and instead you imply that those who see things differently than you are morally deficient and only think of themselves.
I'm almost 60 hypertensive and overweight, I live in a massive house on 2 acres of manicured lawn in BsAs, I have enough cash in my safe to last me 18 months. My business is online and my employees will be working without break because we have always worked from home. Argentina is in real lockdown a third of their workforce just lost their jobs and all of Latin America is facing the biggest recession we have ever known. I personally want for nothing, I've got food, entertainment and pussy, ending the lockdown is not in my personal interests but it's not about me. Ending the lockdown means millions don't die from starvation so that thousands don't die from corona.
So again, and literally for the last time, how does somebody not practicing social distancing raise your personal risk when you have the ability to have anything you need delivered to your door?
Let me help you with that answer, it doesn't. Since you don't have to leave your house your risk is unchanged so now you can drop the "if you go out you make life more dangerous for me" from your virtue signaling repertoire.
Now tell these people how they are only being inconvenienced for 2, 4, 6, 8, or 10 months and they should be grateful they have to go hungry for 5 years because you want to show the world how woke you are.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1062292
You're welcome, now go get your fucking shine box you thoughtless self righteous piece of shit, millions are going to die in the third world because of idiots like you. When they are and time shows that the lockdowns were an over reaction when you see those commercials on tv with starving kids don't change the channel, reach for your credit card and send money.
A2.
Sgt Lurker
04-26-20, 23:00
"Pressured to add Covid as a cause of death. ".
$13 k extra taxpayer dollars paid to hospitals for ea covid death. Wonder if that's why Dr's are being pressured to over count? Hospital admins wouldn't do that, spread fear, only to increase profits would they? Media wouldn't spread fear for page hits and viewers which equates to additional ad revenue dollars, would they?Heck, the commercials are now all supporting the stay at home but buy our (fill in the blank) and the, We are all in this together while they have their own swimming pools and tennis courts, and probably have enough to not get a paycheck for 2 years.
It is not as bad as they want to scare you into believing.
Well, I guess that says it all, my guy. You caught me in a misspelling. Everyone give him a round of applause. Lmfao. I did purposely and mistakenly say CURB. Oooookkkkkk? Now what? Is that what we were arguing about? LOL. Put that BB gun away we carry BAZOOKAS over here clown. He asked, "WHY WOULD I RESPOND?" I don't know maybe because we were having a debate, but I guess I handed you your ass so you tucked tail and left. 😂. Notice he asks WHY WOULD I RESPOND? Referring to everything I said against him, but finds it easy to respond to a mistake in grammar. Honestly speaking, I'd rather be illiterate, than to be an untrue follower, who tries cater to a mob to earn their approval. I'd rather be illiterate but true to myself, than to be an unoriginal follower, that tries to pose as a leader by being in agreement with others. A bit of advice, your method is short sided. People in life will always see through you eventually.
HobbyMan51
04-27-20, 01:19
I will withdraw from the conversation because you are starting to make up numbers. "99+% will be fine" certainly a made up percentage. More test doesn't mean it's getting worse, more deaths based on their population does. Georgia has hardly been a paragon on how to handle this situation but even we have half the deaths of Sweden with about a million more people. Sweden has only tested 94,000 people in the past month and half.
According to Sweden, they have only tested 94,900 people.
Source Sweden Public Health agency: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige..
I'm neither interested in debating Chris Cuamo and your conspiracy theory. The fact you keep bringing it up kinda indicates something to me that I am better off withdrawing from the discussion. Best wishesPeople like this self-righteous windbag are the reason we have civil wars. Goodbye and good riddance.
People like this self-righteous windbag are the reason we have civil wars. Goodbye and good riddance.Thank you and people spend the same amount of time considering your opinion of them, about as much as they spend on which white t-shirt they put on in the morning. Best wishes.
People like this self-righteous windbag are the reason we have civil wars. Goodbye and good riddance.Anubis06 and I have similar opinions about COVID-19, you have yours. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one including the a**hole who posted the comment below.....
........By the way the ones that did ingest Disinfectant were democrats, so no harm done.
Aaron Hamlet
04-27-20, 10:16
I will withdraw from the conversation because you are starting to make up numbers. "99+% will be fine" certainly a made up percentage.99.9% of those under 65, not morbidly obese or already sick w/something that's killing them anyway will be fine. Numbers not made up, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, for now, that you make up all you claim. You're either making it up or you're one dumb motherfucker. Herd immunity is created by all staying inside? You made that up, right? You're not that ignorant to believe that are you? You brought up Chris Cuomo being 'restricted' to his basement? You made that up, didn't you? You're not that stupid to believe that are you?
You wrote, 'Sweden Infection rate continues to grow' That's because they've tested more. You don't believe that if you test 200 a day and get 50 positives, ramp up to 2,000 tests daily and get 500 pos, ramp up to 200,000 and get 50,000 new cases, that case spread is worsening? You don't actually believe that, do you? How many Swedes during the growth of the infection rate are in the ICU or dead. Must be exponential, right? New cases=New ICU's=New Deaths. You believe that, right? Well at least you're consistent. Because that's wrong too. More cases equates to less, as a percentage of all cases, of ICU's and deaths. And in some instances, like Sweden, more cases equate to less ICU's and deaths, though a lag does exist.
Smartest thing you did was to withdraw from the conversation. You're on a roll for once. Don't fuck it up.
Bottom line: If you're for any type of government forced lock down, you're a piece of shit, and most likely a coward. Period.
Are you Atlanta gentlemen getting any reliable information about when the clubs may reopen?I'm hearing it may be June or July but definitely not anytime soon but even when they open back up it's going to be a very slow start with a lot of guidelines to follow but half of them may not even open back up it's going to be a long slow recovery for the strip club industry.
Another thing is most of them are small inside so no way you can practice social distance unless they only allow a certain amount of people in at a time cause Coronavirus going to be around for a good minute.
Bottom line: If you're for any type of government forced lock down, you're a piece of shit, and most likely a coward. Period.I'm for it. Along with being a "piece of shit" and a "coward". I am also a veteran, engineer, architect, business owner, American, voter and person that pays over $100 k annually in taxes after credits and deduction. I won't be bullied into hiding in a corner because I support I feel what is right for a society that I am a part. You can insult me or anyone else because our opinion and perception of the world are different from yours or our ideas of what America is and should differ from yours. It's fine, its your freedom of speech that I fought for and that my brother (special forces 13 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan), my baby sister fight and best friend still fight for. I just personally don't understand the need to personally attack people you don't know because they differ. But carry on sir!!
People Pleasur
04-27-20, 15:51
Bottom line: If you're for any type of government forced lock down, you're a piece of shit, and most likely a coward. Period.I'm cool with you being against a government enforced lock down. I get it. But insults only serve to drive those without your point of view farther away from your way of thinking. Calm down and present some solid, logical reasons if you want to change minds.
People Pleasur
04-27-20, 15:52
I'm for it. Along with being a "piece of shit" and a "coward". I am also a veteran, engineer, architect, business owner, American, voter and person that pays over $100 k annually in taxes after credits and deduction. I won't be bullied into hiding in a corner because I support I feel what is right for a society that I am a part. You can insult me or anyone else because our opinion and perception of the world are different from yours or our ideas of what America is and should differ from yours. It's fine, its your freedom of speech that I fought for and that my brother (special forces 13 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan), my baby sister fight and best friend still fight for. I just personally don't understand the need to personally attack people you don't know because they differ. But carry on sir!!We need more "pieces of shit" like you in this country. Thank you for your service.
While Georgia Governor Brian Kemp thinks it's safe for the state's citizens to start re-patronizing businesses like salons and barbershops amid the COVID-19 pandemic, and for restaurants to reopen dining rooms starting Monday, April 27. Unfortunately, Public tours to the Governor's Mansion are "canceled until further notice.
Out of an abundance of caution, we are temporarily canceling public tours until further notice to ensure the health and safety of Georgia families.https://gov.georgia.gov/governors-mansion/tour-mansion
It's fine, its your freedom of speech that I fought for and that my brother (special forces 13 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan), my baby sister fight and best friend still fight for. Thirteen tours to combat zones? That's giving everything of oneself for the greater good. I'm 10 shy of that but would be happy to shake his hand and buy him a beer (when it's safe to do so).
MunchMacoochie
04-28-20, 05:14
Or more likely a recent escapee from one of our mental asylums.Most likely both a provider and recent mental patient.
I provided the BBC you want to try of course I'll have to cover don't know what you been into.Your name please.
Asking for a friend.
It's fine, its your freedom of speech that I fought for and that my brother (special forces 13 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan)I was in the army and spent four weeks at Ft Benning, I wasn't combat arms but am familiar with the breed. Not that I'm accusing you of stolen valor but I'd really like to see a picture of the right sleeve of your Class A's because the soldier who has done the most deployments in the US Army during the current operations did 14. I'm sure there were a few who did 13 and if you did my hats off to you. I say if because it's the internet. Seriously, if you did I won't thank you for your service because people who did that don't do it for the thanks and gratitude for doing what you see as your duty is sort of embarrassing. I know why you did it because it was the same reason I did.
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