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Niteluvr
07-10-21, 20:07
Who knows? Dump will forever be remembered in the history books for inciting an insurrection on Capitol Hill as well as being the worst U.S. President EVER.He's in fourth place on a heavily biased list. Who cares. Have you fared better in your presidency? Don't recall your name on any ballot in my lifetime and at least Charles Manson had admirers.

You have a total of 2-3 fags here who sometimes support your opinion. See any growth in your future? Your only growth is your um, post count, with an occasional entry into one of the regular forum threads so you can attempt to deem yourself worthy of being whatever the fuck you're trying to be here. Is it salty dick snot in your throat or another fantasy?

Sgt Soros
07-11-21, 06:09
Wow, what a breathtaking proliferation of stupendous ignorance! At least we know the ignorant lunkheads who drink donald dump's “branded” hobo juice. Keep em coming, we've stocked lots of fresh Depends for all you trumpy loons.


Trump was rude and crude, arrogant and egotistical and light years better than anything the democRATS have to offer. Can you honestly say that you are proud to support that brain dead, corrupt puppet that is taking up space in DC now? Is your name George?


Hint: Biden is the brain dead, corrupt puppet who's taking up space in DC. He's too busy giving the fat, slovenly, lazy pigs free money to notice you. I suggest we corral those lazy slobs up so they can build that wall.

Further, I hope you'll be tasked with every burden associated with those lifelong slobs because you need to accept responsibility for your convictions.


Little Georgie took his name after his hero George Soros who spends untold millions of dollars installing progressive the's in strategic cities with the idea of undermining the country with their complete disregard of the laws of this society thus creating the planned civil unrest and chaos that we now have today. In their eyes the real criminals are those of us who respect and abide by the laws of this country. Little Georgie is a Marxist. His hero seeks to destroy the United States of America. Little Georgie has several fawning supporters on this thread who absolutely are proud to support that shriveled up sack of shit who calls himself president. They will not tell you why they think he so great because doing so would expose them to what and who they really are. Trump was indeed everything that you describe above. What he wasn't and will never be is an enemy of this country and that is why they hate him and in turn, us. Democrats are the enemies of America and they are in power only because the media supports them. Expect your post to be mercilessly attacked for daring to speak the truth.


He's in fourth place on a heavily biased list. Who cares. Have you fared better in your presidency? Don't recall your name on any ballot in my lifetime and at least Charles Manson had admirers.

You have a total of 2-3 fags here who sometimes support your opinion. See any growth in your future? Your only growth is your um, post count, with an occasional entry into one of the regular forum threads so you can attempt to deem yourself worthy of being whatever the fuck you're trying to be here. Is it salty dick snot in your throat or another fantasy?

Tazdevil13
07-11-21, 07:17
Wow, what a breathtaking proliferation of stupendous ignorance! At least we know the ignorant lunkheads who drink donald dump's branded hobo juice. Keep em coming, we've stocked lots of fresh Depends for all you trumpy loons.You bitches for Biden amaze me with your stupidity.

Sgt Soros
07-11-21, 08:17
You bitches for Biden amaze me with your stupidity.Gee whiz is that all you got? I move to strike your entire answer as totally dimwitted. In the mean time keep swigging dump’s hobo juice.

Tazdevil13
07-11-21, 08:37
Gee whiz is that all you got? I move to strike your entire answer as totally dimwitted. In the mean time keep swigging dumps hobo juice.Typical limp dicked liberal bullshit.

Sgt Soros
07-11-21, 08:45
Typical limp dicked liberal bullshit.Chickenshit keep drinking dump’s hobo juice....lol

Tazdevil13
07-11-21, 09:00
Chickenshit keep drinking dumps hobo juice....lolKeep swallowing Biden's cum, Bitchboy..

Sgt Soros
07-11-21, 11:02
Keep swallowing Biden's cum, Bitchboy..You would know....lol. I know somebody who has hobo diarrhea. "Who?" CHECKMATE chickenshit.

Tazdevil13
07-11-21, 11:11
You would know....lol. I know somebody who has hobo diarrhea. "Who?" CHECKMATE chickenshit.Do you ever have an intelligent thought? Probably not, you are dumb enough to back Biden.

HobbyMan51
07-11-21, 11:28
Little Georgie took his name after his hero George Soros who spends untold millions of dollars installing progressive the's in strategic cities with the idea of undermining the country with their complete disregard of the laws of this society thus creating the planned civil unrest and chaos that we now have today. In their eyes the real criminals are those of us who respect and abide by the laws of this country. Little Georgie is a Marxist. His hero seeks to destroy the United States of America. Little Georgie has several fawning supporters on this thread who absolutely are proud to support that shriveled up sack of shit who calls himself president. They will not tell you why they think he so great because doing so would expose them to what and who they really are. Trump was indeed everything that you describe above. What he wasn't and will never be is an enemy of this country and that is why they hate him and in turn, us. Democrats are the enemies of America and they are in power only because the media supports them. Expect your post to be mercilessly attacked for daring to speak the truth.That was supposed to read progressive D. A. 's as in District attorneys!

TheRabbit
07-11-21, 12:26
Do you ever have an intelligent thought? Probably not, you are dumb enough to back Biden.He definitely does given that he's not dumb enough to back Trump. 😁.

RogerOver
07-11-21, 12:41
Is CPAC a weekly occurrence now? It seems like it happens more often than Comic-Con, the difference being Comic-Con has less fantasy.

Check this stupid shit they are handing out. I'm thinking Twatdevil13, SlobbyMan, and CockgobblerHamlet put their heads together for this one. Too much stupid for just one of them. Plus Twatdevil13 can't put together more than a single sentence. Just like his daddy drumpf. It's funny and batshit crazy at the same time. LOL.

Tazdevil13
07-11-21, 13:07
He definitely does given that he's not dumb enough to back Trump. 😁.Another dumbass.

Niteluvr
07-11-21, 13:09
He definitely does given that he's not dumb enough to back Trump. 😁.And yet Soros did just that before.

Sgt Soros
07-11-21, 13:28
Is CPAC a weekly occurrence now? It seems like it happens more often than Comic-Con, the difference being Comic-Con has less fantasy.

Check this stupid shit they are handing out. I'm thinking Twatdevil13, SlobbyMan, and CockgobblerHamlet put their heads together for this one. Too much stupid for just one of them. Plus Twatdevil13 can't put together more than a single sentence. Just like his daddy drumpf. It's funny and batshit crazy at the same time. LOL.You really have to understand the psychological thought processes of these trumpy loons. At a psychological level, there's a sense (among dump's supporters) that "we're the legitimate Americans and the 'natural majority,' and the only way the other side could win is through fraud". So, the voter fraud bullshit continues with the fake as shit audit in Arizona and GOP led voter suppression laws in Georgia, Florida, Texas etc.

ComTech42
07-11-21, 13:58
So Boring. Boring.

TheRabbit
07-11-21, 14:24
So Boring. Boring.True but he's not wrong, in fact he's clearly very accurate. 😁.

Aaron Hamlet
07-11-21, 14:38
Percent of UK populace vaccinated for CCP virus on July 6, 2020: 0%.

UK CCP virus hospital admissions, July 6, 2020: 204.

Percent of UK populace vaccinated for CCP virus on July 6, 2021: 70%.

UK CCP hospital admissions, July 6, 2021: 563.

New reported global CCP virus cases on July 8, 2020: 220,536.

New reported global CCP virus cases on July 8, 2021: 486,180.

Though the numbers of new vaccines given in US has collapsed, the week of 7/9/21 saw a record 2,063 deaths attributed to the DNA altering non-vaccine vaccine. This brings all deaths attributed to the DNA altering non-vaccine vaccine to nearly 10,000. These figures are US only and from those self reported to VAERS. The actual numbers are much higher.

TheRabbit
07-11-21, 16:25
Percent of UK populace vaccinated for CCP virus on July 6, 2020: 0%.

UK CCP virus hospital admissions, July 6, 2020: 204.

Percent of UK populace vaccinated for CCP virus on July 6, 2021: 70%.

UK CCP hospital admissions, July 6, 2021: 563.

New reported global CCP virus cases on July 8, 2020: 220,536.

New reported global CCP virus cases on July 8, 2021: 486,180.

Though the numbers of new vaccines given in US has collapsed, the week of 7/9/21 saw a record 2,063 deaths attributed to the DNA altering non-vaccine vaccine. This brings all deaths attributed to the DNA altering non-vaccine vaccine to nearly 10,000. These figures are US only and from those self reported to VAERS. The actual numbers are much higher.I still see your pulling nonsense out your ass without any links to back your claims but here's a link disproving your nonsense.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

Vaccine are safe, they are effective, 300 million + people have taken it in the US only with most having little to no lasting side effects.

Aaron Hamlet
07-11-21, 16:48
You're like my daddy when he stuck his cock in my ass, pulled it out then shoved it down my throat and without any links to back his claims he said that it would make a man out of me. Well it didn't. Can't you tell by my posts that I'm nothing but a 5'5" 140 lb effeminate little biatch who works for the federal government and is ate up with small man disease?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

RogerOver
07-11-21, 17:59
The vaccine is clearly safe, but I've been sucking qultist cock so long I'm addicted to it. I clearly wouldn't know a fact if it fucked my ass as hard as the liberals do. But I just love sucking the jizz out of liberal cock, so I'll keep posting stupid shit so they'll keep fucking my retarded, gaping ass.I hear you buddy. Nitecocksucker, scooter slobbyist and comtech brown water pants have the same problem.

But no one here wants you to get vaccinated. So don't. I'm perfectly happy for you to get covid with a liberal cock in your mouth. All good.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting.

CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

Niteluvr
07-11-21, 18:40
I hear you buddy. Nitecocksucker, scooter slobbyist and comtech brown water pants have the same problem.

But no one here wants you to get vaccinated. So don't. I'm perfectly happy for you to get covid with a liberal cock in your mouth. All good.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting.

CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.htmlWhat's the current count of elementary schools you aren't allowed to be near?

RedneckStud
07-12-21, 08:45
Percent of UK populace vaccinated for CCP virus on July 6, 2020: 0%.

UK CCP virus hospital admissions, July 6, 2020: 204.

Percent of UK populace vaccinated for CCP virus on July 6, 2021: 70%.

UK CCP hospital admissions, July 6, 2021: 563.

New reported global CCP virus cases on July 8, 2020: 220,536.

New reported global CCP virus cases on July 8, 2021: 486,180.

Though the numbers of new vaccines given in US has collapsed, the week of 7/9/21 saw a record 2,063 deaths attributed to the DNA altering non-vaccine vaccine. This brings all deaths attributed to the DNA altering non-vaccine vaccine to nearly 10,000. These figures are US only and from those self reported to VAERS. The actual numbers are much higher.Dude.

Get off of the Q-Anon sites. They are frying your brain. What's left of it.

ComTech42
07-12-21, 09:06
I hear you buddy. Nitecocksucker, scooter slobbyist and comtech brown water pants have the same problem.

But no one here wants you to get vaccinated. So don't. I'm perfectly happy for you to get covid with a liberal cock in your mouth. All good.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting.

CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.htmlYour attempt to be a Mini Soros or Roger Rabbit are failing, sooooo booooring.

NuGuy36
07-12-21, 19:39
Your attempt to be a Mini Soros or Roger Rabbit are failing, sooooo booooring.I have just one comment. Stick it up your butt, Cletus.

Sgt Soros
07-15-21, 06:36
General Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, likened Donald Trumps effort to hold on to power after the 2020 election to Adolf Hitler, saying the president was preaching the gospel of the Fuhrer with his lies about the election being stolen, according to a new book.

As chronicled in I Alone Can Fix It, by Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, the Pentagons top general said shortly before the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol that Trump had led the country to the brink of its own Reichstag moment, viewing him as a potential threat to American democracy.

"Milley called the attackers Nazis and said theyre boogaloo boys, theyre Proud Boys. These are the same people we fought in the second world war."

The very idea that our military had to prepare to prevent a coup is beyond alarming. I especially like this part. "Milley is reported to have said:

"They may try, but they're not going to fucking succeed. You can't do this without the military. You can't do this without the CIA and the FBI. We're the guys with guns. ".

Waarthog
07-15-21, 07:50
Were they as bad as Antifa?


General Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, likened Donald Trumps effort to hold on to power after the 2020 election to Adolf Hitler, saying the president was preaching the gospel of the Fuhrer with his lies about the election being stolen, according to a new book.

As chronicled in I Alone Can Fix It, by Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, the Pentagons top general said shortly before the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol that Trump had led the country to the brink of its own Reichstag moment, viewing him as a potential threat to American democracy.

"Milley called the attackers Nazis and said theyre boogaloo boys, theyre Proud Boys. These are the same people we fought in the second world war."

The very idea that our military had to prepare to prevent a coup is beyond alarming. I especially like this part. "Milley is reported to have said:

"They may try, but they're not going to fucking succeed. You can't do this without the military. You can't do this without the CIA and the FBI. We're the guys with guns. ".

Sgt Soros
07-15-21, 11:44
Were they as bad as Antifa?Yes, even worse! It's a false equivalence, the Capitol Hill insurrection was an intentional, direct attack on a hallowed democratic institution, with the goal of overturning a fair and free election. Antifa/BLM was a coast-to-coast protest movement demanding an end to systemic racism that occasionally, but not frequently, turned violent.

Many Antifa / BLM protesters were responding to the death of George Floyd, a handcuffed Black man who was seen on video gasping for breath as a Minneapolis police officer pressed his knee into Floyd's neck. Police repelled the demonstrators using rubber bullets, tear gas and military assets like helicopters.

The insurrectionist mob at the Capitol was fueled by baseless conspiracies propagated by trump that the election was stolen from him through massive fraud. The Capitol Hill rioters acted on the president's direct urging to "fight like hell. " They attacked police with pipes and chemicals and planted bombs. They were met largely with restraint by law enforcement.

RogerOver
07-15-21, 14:46
But it appears there's another one of those tourists cock gobbler Hamlet and brownwater pants Comtech go on about is pleading guilty to a crime no one committed!

Josiah B. Colt, 34, pleaded guilty to felony obstruction of Congress (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/guilty-plea-senate-balcony-capitol-riot/2021/07/14/b5e060d4-e4d5-11eb-8aa5-5662858b696e_story.html)

An Idaho man photographed hanging from the Senate balcony and sitting in the presiding officers chair in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot pleaded guilty Wednesday to felony obstruction of Congress, admitting to joining a group who came to Washington armed with firearms, knives and body armor to support President Donald Trump.

Josiah B. Colt, 34, became the latest defendant to agree to cooperate in the breach investigation, seeking to pare down a possible recommended five-year prison sentence.

Aaron Hamlet
07-16-21, 21:33
Dude.

Get off of the Q-Anon sites. They are frying your brain. What's left of it.Data is conspiratorial? Here's more conspiracies for you then. New reported global CCP virus cases on July 8, 2021:486,180. Newly reported global CCP cases virus cases on July 15th, 2021:564,754. And in Georgia, new cases and hospitalizations have more than doubled on a daily average. Over the last 14 days, the average daily increase in newly confirmed cases was 569.93 new cases a day. Over the previous 14-day period the average daily increase in newly confirmed cases was 225. Last two weeks new patients avg. was 72.5 a day. Over the previous 14-day period the average daily increase in new patients was 38. But Trump's gone via a stolen election so no need for you fucking clowns to spread fear among the masses.

More conspiracies: The vaccine might not work at all. In Israel, around 60% of the patients in serious conditions from CCP virus were vaccinated. "We do not know exactly to what degree the vaccine helps, but it is significantly less," PM Bennett said. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084.

I voted for Trump twice. I've been in large and small gatherings of Trump supporters. Never once did I hear Q-Anon mentioned. The only people I hear mention Q-Anon are dumbfucks like you, your buddy Dickbreath Roger and the dumbfuck A2. Yet another example of confession through projection by the weak minded. It was dumbfucks like you three who believed the conspiracies told to you by CNN / MSNBC / NYT that Trump had hoars piss on him in Moscow, the Steele dossier wasn't paid for by Hillary, the Steele dossier was verified, Russia hacked the DNC, Flynn was a Russian asset, Sessions was a Russian asset, Michael Cohen's going to take Trump down, Mueller's coming and Putin put bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan, Trump knew and did nothing. The list goes on and on. All made up lies and / or conspiracies believed and repeated by the same dumbfucks who now accuse others of believing in conspiracies. Fucking clowns. Now I'll wait for internet tough guy Dickbreath Roger, all 140 lbs of him, to rearrange my post. What is he, 14 years old? Is it a conspiracy that he can't come within 500 ft of an elementary school or is it true?

RogerOver
07-16-21, 23:40
Blah blah blah I'm gay for qult-cock

blah blah blah I'm even more feeble minded than anyone every believed previously.

Now I'll wait for internet tough guy Dickbreath Roger, all 140 lbs of him, to rearrange my post. What is he, 14 years old? Is it a conspiracy that he can't come within 500 ft of an elementary school or is it true?More irony. I re-arranged your post because you did it to Rabbit. Think everyone missed that, you retarded twat? You have a daddy fetish AND seem to be hooked on the 140 lbs thing now. I'm assuming your daddy, who was 140 pounds, held you down when you were 14 and diddled your bunghole. Probably gave you a dirty Sanchez, which explains your fear of everyone that's a little brown. You're ashamed because you liked it.

Cockgobbler Hamlet, who wants to suck my cock, is complaining about his quotes being re-arranged, right after he did the same thing to another poster. I suppose he forgot while wiping drump's dried jizz off his chin.

Aaron Hamlet
07-17-21, 20:30
More irony. I re-arranged your post because you did it to Rabbit. Think everyone missed that, you retarded twat? You have a daddy fetish AND seem to be hooked on the 140 lbs thing now. I'm assuming your daddy, who was 140 pounds, held you down when you were 14 and diddled your bunghole. Probably gave you a dirty Sanchez, which explains your fear of everyone that's a little brown. You're ashamed because you liked it.

Cockgobbler Hamlet, who wants to suck my cock, is complaining about his quotes being re-arranged, right after he did the same thing to another poster. I suppose he forgot while wiping drump's dried jizz off his chin.The 140 lbs comes from your online persona which leads one to believe you're a small man who constantly feels the need to over compensate for his slight stature. And I've explained yours and others daddy issues are due to how easily you're triggered by the Trump and how he still lives rent free in your mind, in that spot right next to where your daddy haunts you to this day. The 14 years old again comes from your online persona and childlike attempts at humor. No, my father wasn't 140 lbs, he never diddled my bunghole nor did he give me a dirty sanchez. I have no fear of anyone who's a little brown. And I don't want to suck your cock.

Putting all that aside, we do have commonalities. I've got family in the Nati and try to get up there once or twice a year. Also planning a trip to Vegas in Sept or Oct. We should go horer chasing together.

Aaron Hamlet
07-17-21, 20:53
But the election was stolen from Donald so no one says a word:

Based on a rolling daily average, Atlanta CCP virus cases and hospitalizations have doubled over the last 2 weeks.

US CCP virus cases are up 70% week over week. Deaths up 22% week over week.

In Israel, 60% of those hospitalized for CCP virus and in serious condition have been fully vaccinated.

The nation of Gibraltar had all citizens vaccinated by April. Gibraltar now has the third highest per capita rate of CCP infections worldwide.

Foo Fighters banned the unvaccinated from their concert. A vaccinated Foo Fighter contracted CCP virus. That concert is now cancelled.

The Royal Navy's flagship, HMS Queen Elizabeth has been out at sea for 8 weeks. There have been around 100 cases of CCP virus on the aircraft carrier. Several other warships in the fleet accompanying it are also affected but the numbers of those infected aren't known. All crew on the deployment have received two doses of a CCP virus vaccine.

Ending on a brighter note, three fully vaccinated Texas Democrats who fled to Washington, D. C. on a political stunt have tested positive for CCP Virus.

RogerOver
07-17-21, 21:39
But the election was stolen from Donald so no one says a word:

Based on a rolling daily average, Atlanta CCP virus cases and hospitalizations have doubled over the last 2 weeks.

US CCP virus cases are up 70% week over week. Deaths up 22% week over week.

In Israel, 60% of those hospitalized for CCP virus and in serious condition have been fully vaccinated.

The nation of Gibraltar had all citizens vaccinated by April. Gibraltar now has the third highest per capita rate of CCP infections worldwide.

Foo Fighters banned the unvaccinated from their concert. A vaccinated Foo Fighter contracted CCP virus. That concert is now cancelled.

The Royal Navy's flagship, HMS Queen Elizabeth has been out at sea for 8 weeks. There have been around 100 cases of CCP virus on the aircraft carrier. Several other warships in the fleet accompanying it are also affected but the numbers of those infected aren't known. All crew on the deployment have received two doses of a CCP virus vaccine.

Ending on a brighter note, three fully vaccinated Texas Democrats who fled to Washington, D. C. on a political stunt have tested positive for CCP Virus.I know I sure miss the days when we could get our medical advice from the 45th president and his eye doctor friend. Things were so much better.

RogerOver
07-17-21, 21:44
No, my father wasn't 140 lbs, he never diddled my bunghole nor did he give me a dirty sanchez. I have no fear of anyone who's a little brown. And I don't want to suck your cock.Ok. Well, as long as you're sure. I'm way more handsome than you think!


Putting all that aside, we do have commonalities. I've got family in the Nati and try to get up there once or twice a year. Also planning a trip to Vegas in Sept or Oct. We should go horer chasing together.I did the airbnb thing for many months around the country before deciding to settle in Vegas for the time being. I have to admit I miss homemade goetta you could get from some local markets and Skyline chili. Miss the greenery sometimes too. But Vegas has a lot of great points, so I'm going to give it a try. One unexpected problem is finding a fucking hot range that lets members do pistol pits and shit. It all seems geared around letting tourists shoot sniper rifles. But I'll get it all sorted out.

Chasing hookers isn't really a team sport, but have a good visit.

Niteluvr
07-17-21, 23:35
Ok. Well, as long as you're sure. I'm way more handsome than you think!

I did the airbnb thing for many months around the country before deciding to settle in Vegas for the time being. I have to admit I miss homemade goetta you could get from some local markets and Skyline chili. Miss the greenery sometimes too. But Vegas has a lot of great points, so I'm going to give it a try. One unexpected problem is finding a fucking hot range that lets members do pistol pits and shit. It all seems geared around letting tourists shoot sniper rifles. But I'll get it all sorted out.

Chasing hookers isn't really a team sport, but have a good visit.Now you need to settle down in whatever shit cuntry you came from before people like me stand in your face and shut you out permanently. What shit cuntry are you from? When you come to me, who will you cry to?

RogerOver
07-18-21, 09:36
It looks like NiteLuvr-of-cock got blind drunk and behind the keyboard again.

So here's some advice: Fat, drunk, stupid, and sucking down conspiracy theories like you do a liberal cock isn't engaging. These are probably the reasons why you always wind up being the bottom of a BBC cuck gangbang.

Oh yeah. You aren't scary. You're like the least frightening person on here. The only frightening thing about you is how you probably ruined every thanksgiving dinner you've stopped getting invites to.

Now clean up the vomit from your alcohol-induced fever dream, wash the jizz out of your gaping ass, and fuck off.

SkyWookie
07-18-21, 11:22
It's exactly as he said the first time. He plowed her between the legs near her bunghole whilst she was on her stomach. No penetration, just a dick plow into that diamond area. Everyone has done that. Which part is still confusing?I have never heard of that in a MP or seen a review on here ever mention that before and he didn't word it the way you just worded it either. I guess I'll stick to chasing the real thing (penetration) doesn't mean I'll find it, but that reminds me of Titty F**king, unless you are in the moist pink then you are just rubbing against skin.

BillDavis007
07-18-21, 12:38
I have never heard of that in a MP or seen a review on here ever mention that before and he didn't word it the way you just worded it either. I guess I'll stick to chasing the real thing (penetration) doesn't mean I'll find it, but that reminds me of Titty F**king, unless you are in the moist pink then you are just rubbing against skin.It's comical, makes no sense. Could just be trolling. Now, that would make sense.

Niteluvr
07-18-21, 17:18
I have never heard of that in a MP or seen a review on here ever mention that before and he didn't word it the way you just worded it either. I guess I'll stick to chasing the real thing (penetration) doesn't mean I'll find it, but that reminds me of Titty F**king, unless you are in the moist pink then you are just rubbing against skin.That sort of thing used to be prevalent at parlors where American girls were featured. Ran into it a lot in the '90's at parlors in Harrisburg, PA. As for the ATL I've been offered it at Angel, Lemon and Luna for stupid amounts and always declined. As you said, it's not worth it.

TheRabbit
07-18-21, 18:28
But the election was stolen from Donald so no one says a word:

Based on a rolling daily average, Atlanta CCP virus cases and hospitalizations have doubled over the last 2 weeks.

US CCP virus cases are up 70% week over week. Deaths up 22% week over week.

In Israel, 60% of those hospitalized for CCP virus and in serious condition have been fully vaccinated.

The nation of Gibraltar had all citizens vaccinated by April. Gibraltar now has the third highest per capita rate of CCP infections worldwide.

Foo Fighters banned the unvaccinated from their concert. A vaccinated Foo Fighter contracted CCP virus. That concert is now cancelled.

The Royal Navy's flagship, HMS Queen Elizabeth has been out at sea for 8 weeks. There have been around 100 cases of CCP virus on the aircraft carrier. Several other warships in the fleet accompanying it are also affected but the numbers of those infected aren't known. All crew on the deployment have received two doses of a CCP virus vaccine.

Ending on a brighter note, three fully vaccinated Texas Democrats who fled to Washington, D. C. on a political stunt have tested positive for CCP Virus.https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/maryland-unvaccinated-covid-deaths/index.html

In Maryland, every person who died of Covid-19 in June was unvaccinated. That's not an aberration, experts say.

"(CNN) Last month 130 people died of Covid-19 in Maryland. None of them were vaccinated, according to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.

In addition, unvaccinated people made up 95% of new Covid-19 cases in the state and 93% of new Covid-19 hospitalizations, Hogan said at a news conference Wednesday. ".

Or for nationwide figures:

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-are-rising-again-experts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

"More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations. ".

The distribution of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all overwhelmingly tilted towards the unvaccinated, with each more tilted than the last. It'll take some time before we start getting more comprehensive data but its clear that the vaccinated and unvaccinated are living in very different worlds in terms of Covid-19.

To be frank the long-term reality is that this is going to be like the various flu strains where you get a shot once a year or something (quite possibly packaged with said flu shot), not polio or smallpox where it would outright get eliminated. The efficacy of vaccines was in the middling 90's even for the things they specifically targeted which is hardly a sure thing, and while they're even less effective at preventing new strands like the delta variant, they massively reduce the likelihood of hospitalization or death. Note how Gibraltar has rising cases BUT NOT RISING DEATHS. Even countries like the UK which have yet to fully vaccinated have noticeably lower deaths than the rising case rate would indicate, as cases are either among older people that have been vaccinated and are largely protected, or younger people who are less vaccinated but less likely to die as an unvaccinated. Though plenty still do.

Of course its fascinating to a see jump from "Covid-19 is harmless and deaths blamed on it are just old people whose time has come up" to "vaccines are not able to prevent the deadly scourge of Covid-19". Strange how they didn't believe the numbers for Covid-19 but are 100% convinced of the numbers for Covid-19 on vaccinated. Almost like the sole objective is any excuse to be contrarian, starting with their desired conclusion and working back from there.

Niteluvr
07-19-21, 07:25
It looks like NiteLuvr-of-cock got blind drunk and behind the keyboard again.

So here's some advice: Fat, drunk, stupid, and sucking down conspiracy theories like you do a liberal cock isn't engaging. These are probably the reasons why you always wind up being the bottom of a BBC cuck gangbang.

Oh yeah. You aren't scary. You're like the least frightening person on here. The only frightening thing about you is how you probably ruined every thanksgiving dinner you've stopped getting invites to.

Now clean up the vomit from your alcohol-induced fever dream, wash the jizz out of your gaping ass, and fuck off.Punks like you will always live in fear of me. It's the best you can do, pussy boy.

ComTech42
07-19-21, 10:26
Punks like you will always live in fear of me. It's the best you can do, pussy boy.Roger Your meaningless dribble is now beyond boring. Time to change thumbs Roger

Aaron Hamlet
07-19-21, 12:51
New CCP Virus cases globally reported on July 19th, 2020:224,142.

New CCP Virus cases globally reported on July 19th, 2021:562,567.

New CCP Virus deaths globally reported on July 19th, 2020:6,204.

New CCP Virus deaths globally reported on July 19th, 2021:8,653.

In Israel, 90% of those hospitalized for CCP Virus and over the age of 50 have been twice vaccinated.

In the UK, new hospital admissions for CCP Virus of those twice vaccinated surpass new admissions of those who have yet to be vaccinated once.

RogerOver
07-19-21, 14:20
New CCP Virus cases globally reported on July 19th, 2020:224,142.

New CCP Virus cases globally reported on July 19th, 2021:562,567.

New CCP Virus deaths globally reported on July 19th, 2020:6,204.

New CCP Virus deaths globally reported on July 19th, 2021:8,653.

In Israel, 90% of those hospitalized for CCP Virus and over the age of 50 have been twice vaccinated.

In the UK, new hospital admissions for CCP Virus of those twice vaccinated surpass new admissions of those who have yet to be vaccinated once.Link to something besides a parler share? Nothing coming out of the medical community supports your bullshit regarding vaccinations.

UK Covid hospital admissions breach 500 for first time since mid-March.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9773473/UK-Covid-hospital-admissions-breach-500-time-mid-March.html

RogerOver
07-19-21, 14:26
Only thing bad about him is his breath. Probably from sucking so much rimming so much Qanon ass and sucking liberal cock. We should all be afraid of him and his 10 K+ posts. LOL.

Stupid cuck.

Niteluvr
07-19-21, 14:27
Roger Your meaningless dribble is now beyond boring. Time to change thumbs RogerI think it has something to do with RogerOver's sister repeatedly denying his JOI requests.

Aaron Hamlet
07-20-21, 20:43
Link to something besides a parler share? Nothing coming out of the medical community supports your bullshit regarding vaccinations.

UK Covid hospital admissions breach 500 for first time since mid-March.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9773473/UK-Covid-hospital-admissions-breach-500-time-mid-March.htmlHere you go. Pro Tip: No one on line or in your regular life thinks less of you because you are small in stature. It's just a glitch that exists solely in your mind. Stop being the creation of others.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#levels-over-time.

https://www.worldometers.info/

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/

https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/index.php#us.

https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/details.php?documentID=Major+Indicators&documentName=Major+Indicators&eventID=9999&category_id=COVID-19+Testing&category=COVID-19+Testing&objectID=235.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617

ComTech42
07-20-21, 22:35
Only thing bad about him is his breath. Probably from sucking so much rimming so much Qanon ass and sucking liberal cock. We should all be afraid of him and his 10 K+ posts. LOL.

Stupid cuck.The term. CUCK. Is used for individuals of progressive views. That is YOU not Niteluvr YOU DILBERT MOTHER FUCKER.

Niteluvr
07-20-21, 23:01
The term. CUCK. Is used for individuals of progressive views. That is YOU not Niteluvr YOU DILBERT MOTHER FUCKER.If RogerSuckDick thinks he's, in any way, progressing on anything, then he's smoking his own shit. That failed Chuck E. Cheese career fiasco is weighing heavily on his conscience.

TheRabbit
07-21-21, 07:17
Here you go. Pro Tip: No one on line or in your regular life thinks less of you because you are small in stature. It's just a glitch that exists solely in your mind. Stop being the creation of others.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#levels-over-time.

https://www.worldometers.info/

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/

https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/index.php#us.

https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/details.php?documentID=Major+Indicators&documentName=Major+Indicators&eventID=9999&category_id=COVID-19+Testing&category=COVID-19+Testing&objectID=235.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/ma...ths/index.html

In Maryland, every person who died of Covid-19 in June was unvaccinated. That's not an aberration, experts say.

"(CNN) Last month 130 people died of Covid-19 in Maryland. None of them were vaccinated, according to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.

In addition, unvaccinated people made up 95% of new Covid-19 cases in the state and 93% of new Covid-19 hospitalizations, Hogan said at a news conference Wednesday. ".

Or for nationwide figures:

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/10170...e-unvaccinated

"More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations. ".

The distribution of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all overwhelmingly tilted towards the unvaccinated, with each more tilted than the last. It'll take some time before we start getting more comprehensive data but its clear that the vaccinated and unvaccinated are living in very different worlds in terms of Covid-19.

To be frank the long-term reality is that this is going to be like the various flu strains where you get a shot once a year or something (quite possibly packaged with said flu shot), not polio or smallpox where it would outright get eliminated. The efficacy of vaccines was in the middling 90's even for the things they specifically targeted which is hardly a sure thing, and while they're even less effective at preventing new strands like the delta variant, they massively reduce the likelihood of hospitalization or death. Note how Gibraltar has rising cases BUT NOT RISING DEATHS. Even countries like the UK which have yet to fully vaccinated have noticeably lower deaths than the rising case rate would indicate, as cases are either among older people that have been vaccinated and are largely protected, or younger people who are less vaccinated but less likely to die as an unvaccinated. Though plenty still do.

Of course its fascinating to a see jump from "Covid-19 is harmless and deaths blamed on it are just old people whose time has come up" to "vaccines are not able to prevent the deadly scourge of Covid-19". Strange how they didn't believe the numbers for Covid-19 but are 100% convinced of the numbers for Covid-19 on vaccinated. Almost like the sole objective is any excuse to be contrarian, starting with their desired conclusion and working back from there.

Sgt Soros
07-21-21, 07:31
Here you go. Pro Tip: No one on line or in your regular life thinks less of you because you are small in stature. It's just a glitch that exists solely in your mind. Stop being the creation of others.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#levels-over-time.

https://www.worldometers.info/

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/

https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/index.php#us.

https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/details.php?documentID=Major+Indicators&documentName=Major+Indicators&eventID=9999&category_id=COVID-19+Testing&category=COVID-19+Testing&objectID=235.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617Given that the current deaths, hospitalizations, and new cases are close to 100% unvaccinated, the GQP would be stupid to NOT push getting vaccinated to their base. The "vaccinated", play by the rules, and use common sense while Darwinism will take care of the unvaccinated. But hey "What do you have to lose?" - D. Trump 8/12/16. LOL so much 'winning'.

Aaron Hamlet
07-21-21, 10:21
'CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US. Compared to under 6,000 last week. The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than all other vaccines combined in the thirty year history of CDC reporting on vaccine deaths. '.

And.

Get DNA altering non-vax vax, get sick and help create new mutant strains.

ARegularGuy
07-21-21, 12:06
Based on actual real facts, you have it all wrong. For example: People die all the time, everyday. Dying after getting the vaccine is not unusual, people die everyday. Given that vaccines have never been administered in such large numbers it stands to reason that if 80% of the people got vaccinated that they would account for 80% of deaths. From all causes. Common sense man! On the DNA thing, check your sources, check your facts, the mRNA vaccines absolutely do not alter DNA. I know that rumor is popular but popularity doesn't make it factual!

ARG.


'CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US. Compared to under 6,000 last week. The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than all other vaccines combined in the thirty year history of CDC reporting on vaccine deaths. '.

And.

Get DNA altering non-vax vax, get sick and help create new mutant strains.

TheRabbit
07-21-21, 14:57
'CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US. Compared to under 6,000 last week. The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than all other vaccines combined in the thirty year history of CDC reporting on vaccine deaths. '.

And.

Get DNA altering non-vax vax, get sick and help create new mutant strains.Dude the people who are dying are the unvaccinated in the US according to the CDC not those who are vaccinated.

Also I read your link about Israel vaccine I noticed you left something out.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084

"The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is weaker than health officials had hoped."

There's more than one vaccine and like Moderena vaccine which has proven to be effective towards the delta vartaint and even though Pfizer is weaker towards Delta it's still help keeping the death rate down.

"Israel: Evidence for vaccine effectiveness against Delta
Percent of cases that turn critically ill is now 1.6%, compared to 4% at a similar stage in the 3rd wave when there were no vaccines."

Your very same link disproves your nonsense.🤣

I Luv Emall
07-21-21, 16:32
Dude the people who are dying are the unvaccinated in the US according to the CDC not those who are vaccinated.


🤣Absolutely false, according to the hard stats. For the 2nd week in a row, according to the CDC VAERS data, more people are dying from the vaccinations than from actual COVID. Now clearly that trend can't continue, but what's wrong with this picture? That we have even one data point like that is alarming, much less 2 in a row now. Objectively speaking, there should be more discussion on this, as clearly there is an issue. The data is very clear, these vaccines are extreme outliers in terms of safety, and no one wants to even mention it, much less have informed discussions about it.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/second-week-row-covid-19-vaccination-deaths-covid-19-deaths-us-according-cdc-vaers-websites/

TheRabbit
07-21-21, 16:44
Absolutely false, according to the hard stats. For the 2nd week in a row, according to the CDC VAERS data, more people are dying from the vaccinations than from actual COVID. Now clearly that trend can't continue, but what's wrong with this picture? That we have even one data point like that is alarming, much less 2 in a row now. Objectively speaking, there should be more discussion on this, as clearly there is an issue. The data is very clear, these vaccines are extreme outliers in terms of safety, and no one wants to even mention it, much less have informed discussions about it.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/second-week-row-covid-19-vaccination-deaths-covid-19-deaths-us-according-cdc-vaers-websites/First off the gatewaypundit... no, second they are some major flaws when it comes to the VAERS data most due to antivaxxers trying to screw with the data for their own ends.


https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/americans-governments-vaers-database-analysis/story?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&id=77196039&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16269003020092&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2Famericans-governments-vaers-database-analysis%2Fstory%3Fid%3D77196039

Aaron Hamlet
07-21-21, 16:54
A FBI informant hatched the plot to kidnap Whitmer.

A FBI informant led recon missions showing members the location of Whitmer's vacation cabin.

A FBI informant secured weapons for the 'mission'.

A FBI informant was paid $24 k and given a new car by the FBI.

A FBI informant recruited members online and provided airline tickets, motel rooms and meals to the new members. All paid for by the FBI.

12 of the 18 named in the plot to kidnap Whitmer were FBI informants.

FBI informants were informing the FBI on the actions of other FBI informants who were informing the FBI on the actions of those same FBI informants.

The FBI case officer who ran the operation to thwart the Whitmer kidnapping was promoted and is now in charge of the investigation regarding the Jan. 6 insurrection plan to overthrow the government.

TheRabbit
07-21-21, 17:16
A FBI informant hatched the plot to kidnap Whitmer.

A FBI informant led recon missions showing members the location of Whitmer's vacation cabin.

A FBI informant secured weapons for the 'mission'.

A FBI informant was paid $24 k and given a new car by the FBI.

A FBI informant recruited members online and provided airline tickets, motel rooms and meals to the new members. All paid for by the FBI.

12 of the 18 named in the plot to kidnap Whitmer were FBI informants.

FBI informants were informing the FBI on the actions of other FBI informants who were informing the FBI on the actions of those same FBI informants.

The FBI case officer who ran the operation to thwart the Whitmer kidnapping was promoted and is now in charge of the investigation regarding the Jan. 6 insurrection plan to overthrow the government.There's no evidence that the FBI pay for any of their crap.

https://www.insider.com/kidnapping-conspiracy-whitmer-fbi-informants-report-2021-7

Sgt Soros
07-21-21, 17:19
'CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US. Compared to under 6,000 last week. The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than all other vaccines combined in the thirty year history of CDC reporting on vaccine deaths. '.

And.

Get DNA altering non-vax vax, get sick and help create new mutant strains.Geez, you spew so much bullshit, I don't know if I should offer you a breath mint or some toilet paper. FYI, the data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System(VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines.

More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021, the CDC said in a statement. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. That number is not a death toll.

The CDC goes on to say: FDA requires healthcare providers to report ANY death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if its UNCLEAR whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

Examples in the database include:

"The patient who had an apparent cardiac arrest on 12/23/20 and was admitted to the ICU. He was taken off of life support on 12/30/20. He had known cardiac disease."

"There were no adverse reactions. Resident Died, she had a history of issues with her health prior to the vaccine."

Doctor Stephanie Shore with UF Health said she and her colleagues report data to VAERS, even if they are unsure an adverse event is related to the COVID-19 vaccine.

This from the CDC: Statements that imply that deaths following vaccination equate to deaths caused by vaccination are, "scientifically inaccurate, misleading, and irresponsible. ".

When a serious adverse event is reported, like death, CDC requests and reviews all available medical records, death certificates which specify the cause of death, and autopsy reports. CDC reviews these records and verifies the certified cause of death. Then does further analysis to see if theres anything unusual or unexpected happening in other monitoring systems like the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD).

Aaron Hamlet
07-21-21, 18:05
"If a Doctor fails to recommend the vaccine, and the patient suffers harm, the Doc can be sued into oblivion. But if a Doctor recommends the vaccine, and the patient suffers harm, including death from the vaccine, he is completely immune from suit. What do you think most Doctors will do?"

TheRabbit
07-21-21, 18:16
"But if a Doctor recommends the vaccine, and the patient suffers harm, including death from the vaccine, he is completely immune from suit."Umm no he's not, you clearly have no idea what your talking about.

Sgt Soros
07-21-21, 18:17
A FBI informant hatched the plot to kidnap Whitmer.

A FBI informant led recon missions showing members the location of Whitmer's vacation cabin.

A FBI informant secured weapons for the 'mission'.

A FBI informant was paid $24 k and given a new car by the FBI.

A FBI informant recruited members online and provided airline tickets, motel rooms and meals to the new members. All paid for by the FBI.

12 of the 18 named in the plot to kidnap Whitmer were FBI informants.

FBI informants were informing the FBI on the actions of other FBI informants who were informing the FBI on the actions of those same FBI informants.

The FBI case officer who ran the operation to thwart the Whitmer kidnapping was promoted and is now in charge of the investigation regarding the Jan. 6 insurrection plan to overthrow the government.No surprise, they ratted out their white supremacist colleagues for monetary gain and without them, Michigan Gov Wittmer would probably have been kidnapped and killed. The FBI relies heavily on the systematic recruitment and operation of human sources in nearly every facet of its wide-ranging investigatory purview, including counterintelligence activities conducted jointly with the Central Intelligence Agency and military intelligence. The identities of informants, many of whom have criminal histories or face criminal charges, are tightly held secrets. Thus, negotiations around their cooperation, and any benefits they may receivewhich can include financial compensationtake place largely off the record.

I Luv Emall
07-21-21, 21:29
The Gatewaypundit has nothing to do with it and you know it. The source could just as well have been CNN, except they won't dare put out anything negative against the vaccines, even if it's actual factual news. That's negligent reporting, but it's unfortunately rampant when it comes to the vaccine agenda here. The data and the links provided were straight from the CDC and you know that. The VAERS system has been used for all vaccines for more than 30 years, and there is follow-up done by the CDC. These deaths are not being faked. We're supposed to believe all of sudden there's a huge anomaly with this sytem? You're really reaching here with the rationalizations.

Norway took a hard look at their vaccination program and here was their conclusion:

"Calculations have been performed based on Norwegian data where the risk of dying from COVID-19 disease among the different age groups is compared with the risk of dying from the severe, but rare, condition with severe blood clots observed after AstraZeneca vaccination.

"Since there are few people who die from COVID-19 in Norway, the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people," says Bukholm. ".

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astrazeneca-vaccine-removed-from-coronavirus-immunisation-programme-in-norw/?s=09

They are looking into the claims against other vaccines now as well.

That's the kind of honest risk assessment that should be being done here, but is taboo to even be talked about here. If anyone dare brings it up, they are censored and labeled as spreading disinformation. This is doing a great disservice to the people, and time will bear this out, but it's already too late for many, and the long-term consequences may be dire for many more (only time will reveal this).


First off the gatewaypundit... no, second they are some major flaws when it comes to the VAERS data most due to antivaxxers trying to screw with the data for their own ends.


https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/americans-governments-vaers-database-analysis/story?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&id=77196039&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16269003020092&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2Famericans-governments-vaers-database-analysis%2Fstory%3Fid%3D77196039

TheRabbit
07-21-21, 22:15
The Gatewaypundit has nothing to do with it and you know it. The source could just as well have been CNN, except they won't dare put out anything negative against the vaccines, even if it's actual factual news. That's negligent reporting, but it's unfortunately rampant when it comes to the vaccine agenda here. The data and the links provided were straight from the CDC and you know that. The VAERS system has been used for all vaccines for more than 30 years, and there is follow-up done by the CDC. These deaths are not being faked. We're supposed to believe all of sudden there's a huge anomaly with this sytem? You're really reaching here with the rationalizations.


CNN does report negative stuff about the vaccines when there's actually data and research backing it up.

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/12/health/johnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda/index.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16269208913872&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2021%2F07%2F12%2Fhealth%2Fjohnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda%2Findex.html

Also the CDC has always stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be and also look at St Soros (5 post down) explaining why VAERS data isn't reliable.


Norway took a hard look at their vaccination program and here was their conclusion:

"Calculations have been performed based on Norwegian data where the risk of dying from COVID-19 disease among the different age groups is compared with the risk of dying from the severe, but rare, condition with severe blood clots observed after AstraZeneca vaccination.

"Since there are few people who die from COVID-19 in Norway, the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people," says Bukholm. ".

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astr...-in-norw/?s=09

They are looking into the claims against other vaccines now as well.


Also that news article of your is a bit out of date, here's the most recent one.

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/norwegian-danish-study-of-rare-side-effects-in-connection-with-astrazeneca-/

"The results from the work have been shared continuously with the Norwegian, Danish and international authorities and were included in their assessments about the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

There is no contradiction between our findings and the European Medicines Agency's (EMA) assessment of the vaccine. Although rare, severe side effects can occur, the EMA has stated that the overall benefit of the vaccine outweighs the risk, says Gulseth.

Gulseth points out that COVID-19 is a severe disease, and each country must therefore make their own assessment of the benefits of the vaccine compared to the risk of possible side effects. The assessment must be based on the situation in each country, such as the number of cases of severe side effects, the degree of control of the epidemic, and access to alternative vaccines."

I Luv Emall
07-22-21, 08:51
Oh, there's plenty of data to back it up, the same data that's been used for 30 years. They just don't want to use it now because it doesn't suit their purpose. Again, this is data the CDC itself uses, so although you worship the CDC on the one hand, now you want to criticize the data they themself use because it shows a problem for your agenda. VAERS data is the standard for vaccines, and this same standard has been used and applied for vaccines for more than 30 years. Now we've got these experimental vaccines clearly sticking out as problematic outliers, and you want to claim it's all a problem with the system? Give me a break. The system may not be perfect, but after 30 years it's still the best we have, and any fool can look at those graphs and see those huge jumps in deaths are indicative of problems with these vaccines, and not the system.

Put your bias aside and try to be objective for once. I could care less about politics, but hearing your idol Biden talk last night about how the vaccine had ended the epidemic for the vaccinated showed what a hypocrite he is, and how he is willing to risk the public's health for the sake of politics. Here he's had his administration on a campaign against "disinformation" against the vaccines, and then he goes and makes a completely false statement like that when we're in the midst of the Delta variant on the move, which the vaccines have been proven to be ineffective against the spread. Bold-faced lies to push his agenda and make himself look better, but only proves himself ignorant to those who are actually informed.

As for Norway, they didn't change their ruling or their rationale, so they stand by the assessment in the article that I linked.


CNN does report negative stuff about the vaccines when there's actually data and research backing it up.

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/12/health/johnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda/index.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16269208913872&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2021%2F07%2F12%2Fhealth%2Fjohnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda%2Findex.html

Also the CDC has always stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be and also look at St Soros (5 post down) explaining why VAERS data isn't reliable.




Also that news article of your is a bit out of date, here's the most recent one.

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/norwegian-danish-study-of-rare-side-effects-in-connection-with-astrazeneca-/

"The results from the work have been shared continuously with the Norwegian, Danish and international authorities and were included in their assessments about the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

There is no contradiction between our findings and the European Medicines Agency's (EMA) assessment of the vaccine. Although rare, severe side effects can occur, the EMA has stated that the overall benefit of the vaccine outweighs the risk, says Gulseth.

Gulseth points out that COVID-19 is a severe disease, and each country must therefore make their own assessment of the benefits of the vaccine compared to the risk of possible side effects. The assessment must be based on the situation in each country, such as the number of cases of severe side effects, the degree of control of the epidemic, and access to alternative vaccines."

I Luv Emall
07-22-21, 09:16
Oh, so you mean it's like COVID stats then, right? So it's ok to count COVID deaths that way, but not vaccine deaths? Bit of a double-standard there, isn't it?

You don't have to answer, it's a rhetorical question really, because the point is this is how VAERS data has always been collected. And by that same measure, these vaccines are extreme outliers.


Geez, you spew so much bullshit, I don't know if I should offer you a breath mint or some toilet paper. FYI, the data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System(VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines.

More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021, the CDC said in a statement. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. That number is not a death toll.

The CDC goes on to say: FDA requires healthcare providers to report ANY death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if its UNCLEAR whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

Examples in the database include:

"The patient who had an apparent cardiac arrest on 12/23/20 and was admitted to the ICU. He was taken off of life support on 12/30/20. He had known cardiac disease."

"There were no adverse reactions. Resident Died, she had a history of issues with her health prior to the vaccine."

Doctor Stephanie Shore with UF Health said she and her colleagues report data to VAERS, even if they are unsure an adverse event is related to the COVID-19 vaccine.

This from the CDC: Statements that imply that deaths following vaccination equate to deaths caused by vaccination are, "scientifically inaccurate, misleading, and irresponsible. ".

When a serious adverse event is reported, like death, CDC requests and reviews all available medical records, death certificates which specify the cause of death, and autopsy reports. CDC reviews these records and verifies the certified cause of death. Then does further analysis to see if theres anything unusual or unexpected happening in other monitoring systems like the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD).

TheRabbit
07-22-21, 09:38
Oh, there's plenty of data to back it up, the same data that's been used for 30 years. They just don't want to use it now because it doesn't suit their purpose. Again, this is data the CDC itself uses, so although you worship the CDC on the one hand, now you want to criticize the data they themself use because it shows a problem for your agenda. VAERS data is the standard for vaccines, and this same standard has been used and applied for vaccines for more than 30 years. Now we've got these experimental vaccines clearly sticking out as problematic outliers, and you want to claim it's all a problem with the system? Give me a break. The system may not be perfect, but after 30 years it's still the best we have, and any fool can look at those graphs and see those huge jumps in deaths are indicative of problems with these vaccines, and not the system.

Like St Soros said the data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines. Also I'll stated once again the CDC has ALWAYS stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be.


Put your bias aside and try to be objective for once. I could care less about politics, but hearing your idol Biden talk last night about how the vaccine had ended the epidemic for the vaccinated.Yes he's completely correct about this.


when we're in the midst of the Delta variant on the move, which the vaccines have been proven to be ineffective against the spread. No they have been proven effective towards the delta vartaint if you're vaccinated, note 99% of cases of COVID-19 currently are the unvaccinated.

I Luv Emall
07-22-21, 11:37
I can see there's no reasoning with you, and you just want to shine Joe's shoes no matter how much dirt he kicks up on you in the process. Like I said, I could care less about politicians and think 99% of them are in it for themselves. This clip should give you an idea of what a hypocrite your idol is:

https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1416094954603044864

In there, your guy is criticizing Trump for pushing the vaccines and saying they're unsafe and asking "who's going to take the first shot?" Now he's standing up there trying to take all the credit and cram them down everyone's throat. Disgusting, typical politician.

You need to get your facts straight about the Delta variant. Stats from both the UK and Israel, where the Delta variant is much more advanced, are showing equal percentages of vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated infections and death:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-19-heres-why-scientists-arent-surprised-11625227200?st=1d40lr94h6fw4ja&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-will-triple-daily-covid-cases-in-10-days-health-officials-predict-1.9958892

Pfizer itself admits the effectiveness of their vaccine drops to 64% for the fully vaccinated, and is already talking about a 3rd booster. These vaccines, while they may help reduce the symptoms, are not that effective in reducing the spread, and this is a huge problem. Many prominent virologist believe these vaccines are actually creating these variants for this very reason, and this is a debate we should be openly having, but of course, it's being censored like many other healthy discussions that should be taking place.

Biden's pushing misinformation about the vaccines ending the pandemic, and you're aiding in that campaign by spreading the BS as well. This thing is far from over, and has been completely mishandled, and it's clear it will continue to be. Lockdowns and vaccinations are not the answers, but stupid political band-aid appeasement tactics with much worse overall consequences.


Like St Soros said the data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines. Also I'll stated once again the CDC has ALWAYS stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be.

Yes he's completely correct about this.

No they have been proven effective towards the delta vartaint if you're vaccinated, note 99% of cases of COVID-19 currently are the unvaccinated.

Aaron Hamlet
07-22-21, 12:29
Israel data shows 60% of recent covid hospitalized are vaxxed, and 90% of those 50 and over recent hospitalized w / covid are vaxxed.

UK data show 60% of recent covid hospitalized are vaxxed.

I can't find US data on vax / hosp. Same virus. Basically same vaccines as Uk and Israel but all I hear in US are politicians claiming new covid hospitalized are 90-99% unvaxxed.

Somebody's lying.

RedneckStud
07-22-21, 12:34
Israel data shows 60% of recent covid hospitalized are vaxxed, and 90% of those 50 and over recent hospitalized w / covid are vaxxed.

UK data show 60% of recent covid hospitalized are vaxxed.

I can't find US data on vax / hosp. Same virus. Basically same vaccines as Uk and Israel but all I hear in US are politicians claiming new covid hospitalized are 90-99% unvaxxed.

Somebody's lying.A quick Google search shows that 60% of Covid hospitalizations are NOT vaxxed.

I imagine I will find similar results in your other claims.

TheRabbit
07-22-21, 14:00
You need to get your facts straight about the Delta variant. Stats from both the UK and Israel, where the Delta variant is much more advanced, are showing equal percentages of vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated infections and death:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-19-heres-why-scientists-arent-surprised-11625227200?st=1d40lr94h6fw4ja&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-will-triple-daily-covid-cases-in-10-days-health-officials-predict-1.9958892

Pfizer itself admits the effectiveness of their vaccine drops to 64% for the fully vaccinated, and is already talking about a 3rd booster. These vaccines, while they may help reduce the symptoms, are not that effective in reducing the spread, and this is a huge problem. Many prominent virologist believe these vaccines are actually creating these variants for this very reason, and this is a debate we should be openly having, but of course, it's being censored like many other healthy discussions that should be taking place.

Biden's pushing misinformation about the vaccines ending the pandemic, and you're aiding in that campaign by spreading the BS as well. This thing is far from over, and has been completely mishandled, and it's clear it will continue to be. Lockdowns and vaccinations are not the answers, but stupid political band-aid appeasement tactics with much worse overall consequences.Its important to distinguish between 0, 1, and 2 doses. See this article from the UK:

https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-half-covid-19-cases-had-vaccine-study-zoe-delta-2021-7

Having one dose offered significantly less protection than two doses against prior variants, against Delta having one dose is only marginally better than no doses at all. But getting two doses is still quite effective.

As of July 15, an estimated 17,581 new daily UK cases of COVID-19 were in unvaccinated people, the study authors said in a press release on Thursday.

That compares to an estimated 15,537 new COVID-19 cases in people who had at least one dose of the vaccine, which is about 47% of all cases.

70% of the UK is at least partially vaccinated but they only account for 47% of all cases. If you were to further break it down by 1 and 2 doses, given the above chart its an easy bet that an outsized proportion of that 47% is from 15% or so of the UK that is partially vaccinated. More broadly speaking as vaccinations trend upward, statistically the odds of a new case being someone whose vaccinated will tick up, with the obvious conclusion being well, places like Gibraltar where close to 100% of people are vaccinated and thus will account for all new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

What is clear is that vaccinations do help, even against the Delta variant they weren't even designed for. The CDC indicates that from December 14th when the first vaccine was administered to July 12th, a total of 1,063 vaccinated Americans have died of "breakthrough" Covid-19 cases, 3/4 ers of them elderly. Roughly that many unvaccinated Americans die every 4 days currently.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

In protecting against infection, Pfizer vaccines are 95% effective for the alpha variant but only 64% effective for the delta variant.

In preventing symptomatic COVID-19 cases, Pfizer vaccines are 97% effective for the alpha variant but only 64% effective for the delta variant.

In preventing hospitalization and serious disease, Pfizer vaccines are 97.5% effective for the alpha variant and still 93% effective for the delta variant.

While the Pfizer vaccine is less effective against the delta variant, the vaccine's effectiveness still far exceeds the 50% vaccine efficacy threshold required for WHO approval, according to the organization's website.

"Just because a variant emerges that renders the vaccines less effective doesn't mean those vaccines weren't effective in the first place," according to The Washington Post.

This article https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/20/22584134/whats-going-on-in-israels-outbreak-among-vaccinated-people

which acknowledges a significant reducation in effect by Pfizer vaccines against cases in Israel still acknowledges that it is highly effective at preventing hospitalization and serious disease, something important given that Delta might be as much as twice the baseline hospitalization rate of older variants. Meanwhile 2/3 rds protection against spread is still a significant reduction in spread. And yes in the long run we will have to take seasonal vaccines like we do with the flu. Does it eradicate the flu? No. Does it have 90%+ efficacy? Not always. But is it worth it? Yes.

Also vaccines do not 'create' variants. What creates variants is more people getting infected, resulting in more opportunities for viruses to mutate into more dangerous forms. There was already variants popping up before any vaccine appeared whose fitness was so high that they largely replaced existing strains. Delta would've taken the same course of action regardless of whether or not vaccines decimated the 'competition' or not. I directly blame the rise of variants on a failure of people to take lockdowns seriously, then a failure of people to take vaccinations seriously.

I Luv Emall
07-22-21, 14:34
The lockdowns were a disaster and history has shown that. Everyone said GA was going to be a COVID nightmare by never entirely shutting down, and being the first to reopen. Never happened. The lockdown states fared far worse. History will show the same for these experimental vaccines. The difference between you and me is that I'm willing to say that regardless of whether Trump or Biden is pushing the agenda, whereas you would argue for your idol's side and rationalize away the facts according to how the political winds suit him. He's your god and he can never do wrong. Worship at his feet.


blah blah blah a lot of rationalizations and semantics that amount to nothing

Sgt Soros
07-22-21, 15:57
The lockdowns were a disaster and history has shown that. Everyone said GA was going to be a COVID nightmare by never entirely shutting down, and being the first to reopen. Never happened. The lockdown states fared far worse. History will show the same for these experimental vaccines. The difference between you and me is that I'm willing to say that regardless of whether Trump or Biden is pushing the agenda, whereas you would argue for your idol's side and rationalize away the facts according to how the political winds suit him. He's your god and he can never do wrong. Worship at his feet.Just curious, have you received any of the three “experimental” COVID vaccine shots?

TheRabbit
07-22-21, 15:58
The lockdowns were a disaster and history has shown that. Everyone said GA was going to be a COVID nightmare by never entirely shutting down, and being the first to reopen. Never happened. The lockdown states fared far worse. History will show the same for these experimental vaccines.The lockdowns were a disaster...for the USA.

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2Fb0f2e3a0-ada1-11eb-9534-658bf408d54a-fullwidth.png?dpr=1&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=1260

Which implemented too little, too late, too disparately. There are numerous countries around the world which successfully locked down early, had no major outbreaks, then were subsequently able to reopen earlier and more completely minimizing the economic hit. Trying to avoid a lockdown was not possible, for the simple reality that whenever things got bad enough people voluntarily locked down and ensured businesses would get hit hard economically even if things were "open". The only route to reopening businesses was getting the pandemic under control, which Trumpist USA refused and continues to refuse to do.

Meanwhile the efficacy of vaccines at both massively reducing cases, hospitalizations, and deaths is demonstrated again and again in country after country, state after state. For example:

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/07/08/unvaccinated-and-partially-vaccinated-virginians-account-for-virtually-all-new-covid-cases-since-december-data-shows/
From December 29 to June 25,99. 7 percent of new COVID-19 cases have occurred among unvaccinated or partially vaccinated Virginians, according to VDH. Those residents made up 99.3 percent of hospitalizations and 99.6 percent of deaths over the same time period.

The reality is that the data shows that people died of Covid, lockdowns can work if done right, and vaccinations are effective, to some extent even against variant strands that showed up later.

I Luv Emall
07-22-21, 17:16
No, I have not. And why put it in quotes? They are indeed experimental, and by all accounts, you are by definition participating in the Phase III trials of that experiment if you've had the vaccine. And no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I just don't believe these vaccines have been proven to be safe (in fact, I think the data shows quite the opposite). I also think their effectiveness leaves a lot to be desired. I believe there will be much better vaccines to come.


Just curious, have you received any of the three "experimental" COVID vaccine shots?

Bullett64
07-22-21, 17:18
We are all big kids and have the ability to make up our own minds based on the evidence we choose to believe.

So. How about we stop trying to convince everyone else that our way is the only way?

If you wish to avoid vaccinations, refuse to wear a mask, and hang out in large crowds, that is your right, but you really don't need to encourage others to do likewise. They can make up their own minds.

If you wish to get vaccinated, wear masks in pubic, and avoid crowds, that is certainly your right as well. We can all meet back here and discuss which side made the smarter decision.

Sgt Soros
07-22-21, 17:26
No, I have not. And why put it in quotes? They are indeed experimental, and by all accounts, you are by definition participating in the Phase III trials of that experiment if you've had the vaccine. And no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I just don't believe these vaccines have been proven to be safe (in fact, I think the data shows quite the opposite). I also think their effectiveness leaves a lot to be desired. I believe there will be much better vaccines to come.Good-luck! I’ll takes my chances with one of the three vaccines over contracting full blown COVID. Worldwide, 3.7billion doses of vaccines issued with 1.04 billion people fully vaccinated with very few health issues. Im good!

I Luv Emall
07-22-21, 17:34
These fully vaccinated Democrats can attest to how effective the vaccines are at stopping the spread of the virus, I suppose?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/sixth-member-texas-democratic-delegation-tests-positive-covid-n1274443

Looks like that fits with the UK & Israel data of 50% rate, so I'm not sure how that jibes with your idol's statement of this being a pandemic of the unvaccinated? I have to admit it both surprises me and makes me wonder why the other half of the Democrats weren't vaccinated. Maybe some politiicians actually have a mind of their own after all?

Interesting hearing Mr. Wu speak and admit that he erroneously thought he could not spread the virus since he was vaccinated, and so he forewent all the normal precautions such as mask wearing, etc. I guess he'd been listening too much to your idol about how this was a pandemic only for the unvaccinated, and how he was immune. He said now he knows better. This has been common knowledge for a long time, even before the variants starting gaining a foothold here. Again, your idol is spreading disinformation and miseducating people, and doing more harm than good for the purpose of political gain.


The lockdowns were a disaster...for the USA.

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2Fb0f2e3a0-ada1-11eb-9534-658bf408d54a-fullwidth.png?dpr=1&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=1260

Which implemented too little, too late, too disparately. There are numerous countries around the world which successfully locked down early, had no major outbreaks, then were subsequently able to reopen earlier and more completely minimizing the economic hit. Trying to avoid a lockdown was not possible, for the simple reality that whenever things got bad enough people voluntarily locked down and ensured businesses would get hit hard economically even if things were "open". The only route to reopening businesses was getting the pandemic under control, which Trumpist USA refused and continues to refuse to do.

Meanwhile the efficacy of vaccines at both massively reducing cases, hospitalizations, and deaths is demonstrated again and again in country after country, state after state. For example:

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/07/08/unvaccinated-and-partially-vaccinated-virginians-account-for-virtually-all-new-covid-cases-since-december-data-shows/
From December 29 to June 25,99. 7 percent of new COVID-19 cases have occurred among unvaccinated or partially vaccinated Virginians, according to VDH. Those residents made up 99.3 percent of hospitalizations and 99.6 percent of deaths over the same time period.

The reality is that the data shows that people died of Covid, lockdowns can work if done right, and vaccinations are effective, to some extent even against variant strands that showed up later.

I Luv Emall
07-22-21, 17:56
Thanks, and good luck to you too! I sincerely hope you are good, and you don't have any long-term issues. Conversely, I'll take my chances with COVID. I'm not that old, have no underlying conditions, am not overweight, and feel the risk / reward is tilted in my favor should I be so unfortunate to contract it. I also feel there are now many more effective treatments that we've since learned about that are not being openly discussed, so the prognosis for recovery is now better than the previous stats indicate (which was already quite good, presuming you did not have underlying conditions).


Good-luck! Ill takes my chances with one of the three vaccines over contracting full blown COVID. Worldwide, 3.7billion doses of vaccines issued with 1.04 billion people fully vaccinated with very few health issues. Im good!

RogerOver
07-22-21, 18:20
Good-luck! Ill takes my chances with one of the three vaccines over contracting full blown COVID. Worldwide, 3.7billion doses of vaccines issued with 1.04 billion people fully vaccinated with very few health issues. Im good!But don't forget this mental giant! I personally am fine with people not getting the vaccine. Thins the "stupid" herd.

Just another one that really enjoys being on ventilators. Or maybe just deepthroating shit. (https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1418210466656972808)

Sgt Soros
07-22-21, 19:52
We are all big kids and have the ability to make up our own minds based on the evidence we choose to believe.

So. How about we stop trying to convince everyone else that our way is the only way?

If you wish to avoid vaccinations, refuse to wear a mask, and hang out in large crowds, that is your right, but you really don't need to encourage others to do likewise. They can make up their own minds.

If you wish to get vaccinated, wear masks in pubic, and avoid crowds, that is certainly your right as well. We can all meet back here and discuss which side made the smarter decision.I Agree! COVID is now largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated. If the COVID-idiots still think hydro chloroquine, bleach injections and shooting UV lights up the poop shoot will protect them, more power to 'em. Ultimately, COVID will have the last word.

I Luv Emall
07-22-21, 23:10
I Agree! COVID is now largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated. If the COVID-idiots still think hydro chloroquine, bleach injections and shooting UV lights up the poop shoot will protect them, more power to 'em. Ultimately, COVID will have the last word.And now you've degenerated into idiocy again. Because someone doesn't agree with you, you have to go to ridiculous extremes and inane childish bathroom type humor. You are aware there are numerous Nobel Prize winners who have spoken out against these vaccines, aren't you? Are you also aware that one of the pioneers of the MRNA technology who is on the FDA advisory panel is questioning the safety of these vaccines? But I guess you're so much smarter than these people are that you can summarily dismiss them all.

Sorry Bullett, I actually agree with you and that's all I ever asked for was to let people think and decide for themselves, and not have an agenda forced upon them. I haven't tried to convince anyone my thinking is the only way, only that I believe it's right for me, and it's my right to choose that way. I believe I've only presented facts for people to consider, because it is their health and their choice after all. FYI, I don't refuse to wear masks, I don't hang out in large crowds, and I don't encourage others to do so. I probably don't fit any of the other stereotypes that many on here would love to shoehorn me in either. That's the problem with politics and those who get caught up in that, they just can't think outside the box, and so they can't imagine anyone else can either.

MinivanMan
07-23-21, 00:18
And now you've degenerated into idiocy again. Because someone doesn't agree with you, you have to go to ridiculous extremes and inane childish bathroom type humor. You are aware there are numerous Nobel Prize winners who have spoken out against these vaccines, aren't you? Are you also aware that one of the pioneers of the MRNA technology who is on the FDA advisory panel is questioning the safety of these vaccines? But I guess you're so much smarter than these people are that you can summarily dismiss them all.

Sorry Bullett, I actually agree with you and that's all I ever asked for was to let people think and decide for themselves, and not have an agenda forced upon them. I haven't tried to convince anyone my thinking is the only way, only that I believe it's right for me, and it's my right to choose that way. I believe I've only presented facts for people to consider, because it is their health and their choice after all. FYI, I don't refuse to wear masks, I don't hang out in large crowds, and I don't encourage others to do so. I probably don't fit any of the other stereotypes that many on here would love to shoehorn me in either. That's the problem with politics and those who get caught up in that, they just can't think outside the box, and so they can't imagine anyone else can either."You are aware there are numerous Nobel Prize winners who have spoken out against these vaccines, aren't you? Are you also aware that one of the pioneers of the MRNA technology who is on the FDA advisory panel is questioning the safety of these vaccines?

Names? Links?

I Luv Emall
07-23-21, 09:44
Names? Links?https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier

https://rumble.com/embed/vesn25/?pub=4

Another very informative video (short version, with link to a much longer version) from a well-respected internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and Professor of Medicine at Texas A & M College of Medicine who has testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021, in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, and New Hampshire Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response:

https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html

Mainstream media has censored most of these, as any information that's not deemed pro-vaccine is immediately censored and banned. Dr's Malone's accounts were even suspsended for speaking out against these vaccines- I'm not sure if that's still the case or not. Everyone should realize that mainstream media is invested in and tied to big pharma, and has a vested interest in pushing this agenda. I'm not sure what's happened to free speech in this country, but we sure don't have it today.

Aaron Hamlet
07-23-21, 09:44
Names? Links?Don't know about Nobel winners, it's become a fucking joke anyway, but, Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pEtrEr2_s

And ex-Gates Foundation vaccinologist Geert Vanden Bossche puts out good info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PrY-caOyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgIUDn__WU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eqoCLHH1e8

Inventor of PCR testing Kary Mullis explains how PCR testing DONE OVER CERTAIN LEVELS OF CYCLE THRESHOLDS shouldn't be used to test for diseases. When Trump was President, that cycle threshold was exceeded. After Trump, Fauci publicly suggested threshold level be lowered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwstN_lmum8

https://fullfact.org/online/pcr-test-mullis/

I Luv Emall
07-23-21, 09:53
You can also look up ex-Pfizer VP Michael Yeadon, who's put out a lot of information as well. There are plenty of very notable, prominent people who come from the vaccine world, that think these vaccines are not safe.


Don't know about Nobel winners, it's become a fucking joke anyway, but, Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pEtrEr2_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pEtrEr2_s

And ex-Gates Foundation vaccinologist Geert Vanden Bossche puts out good info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PrY-caOyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgIUDn__WU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eqoCLHH1e8

Inventor of PCR testing Kary Mullis explains how PCR testing DONE OVER CERTAIN LEVELS OF CYCLE THRESHOLDS shouldn't be used to test for diseases. When Trump was President, that cycle threshold was exceeded. After Trump, Fauci publicly suggested threshold level be lowered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwstN_lmum8

https://fullfact.org/online/pcr-test-mullis/

Sgt Soros
07-23-21, 12:05
The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved!


We are all big kids and have the ability to make up our own minds based on the evidence we choose to believe.

So. How about we stop trying to convince everyone else that our way is the only way?

If you wish to avoid vaccinations, refuse to wear a mask, and hang out in large crowds, that is your right, but you really don't need to encourage others to do likewise. They can make up their own minds.

If you wish to get vaccinated, wear masks in pubic, and avoid crowds, that is certainly your right as well. We can all meet back here and discuss which side made the smarter decision.

I Luv Emall
07-23-21, 12:31
I'm down for that, so long as they do the same for vaxxed people, including not covering any problems, present and future, caused by the vaccines. The pharma companies have already covered their asses on that, in case you didn't notice with that paperwork you signed, absolving themselves of any responsibility for any health problems that might occur, including death. Take the shot, pay for your own care. No life insurance payouts for voluntary vaxxed deaths and long-term health issues. Problem solved!


The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved!

MinivanMan
07-23-21, 12:55
Don't know about Nobel winners, it's become a fucking joke anyway, but, Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pEtrEr2_s

And ex-Gates Foundation vaccinologist Geert Vanden Bossche puts out good info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PrY-caOyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgIUDn__WU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eqoCLHH1e8

Inventor of PCR testing Kary Mullis explains how PCR testing DONE OVER CERTAIN LEVELS OF CYCLE THRESHOLDS shouldn't be used to test for diseases. When Trump was President, that cycle threshold was exceeded. After Trump, Fauci publicly suggested threshold level be lowered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwstN_lmum8

https://fullfact.org/online/pcr-test-mullis/Some additional I do on Dr. Malone.

Fact is, people have confirmation bias so hear what they want and find what they need to support their position. The scientific community overwhelmingly acknowledges the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, but there will always be those who disagree. Unfortunately, in this case it could kill you.

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd

CrestWood87
07-23-21, 13:15
Here is a link to some factual information on the so called vaccines.

https://videopress.com/v/p8R7ebPy

RogerOver
07-23-21, 13:18
The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved!1. Cruise lines, airlines and other crowd venues should jack up the price of tickets and offer 80% discounts for vaccination proof.

2. State should offer 50% discounts on booze and cigarettes for anyone proving vaccination.

Using option 2 would get them to 90% in a month. LOL.

Or, just let them get sick, experience long term covid effects or die off. Like this smart fella:

https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1418524963527667715

Sad. But I guess he doesn't have any problems now. Wonder why god didn't help him out, since he was begging for a miracle at the end.

RogerOver
07-23-21, 13:39
The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved!Is being a stupid fuck a preexisting condition?

Aaron Hamlet
07-23-21, 16:37
Some additional I do on Dr. Malone.

Ok. So he didn't invent the vaccine but invented the mRNA and DNA vaccine core platform technology. That's pretty heavy. I'd listen to him before Fauci, Biden or Trump tells me to inject some experimental drug in my arm designed to attack a man made virus that has mutated so much the original form the drug was designed for no longer exists.

*But don't misunderstand me. I'm not pro or anti vax, but pro free will, freedom of choice and freedom of information. It's my opinion something isn't right about this experimental drug and how it's being forced upon us and how those who offer dissenting opinions are cancelled by the media. If i croak tomorrow, I croak tomorrow. If a year or two from now auto immune and other diseases effect large numbers of those who took the experimental drug, a year or two from now auto immune and other diseases effect large numbers of those who took the experimental drug.

Sgt Soros
07-23-21, 18:37
For those vaccinated, the risk of serious illness from the coronavirus and spreading the virus to others is vanishingly low:

As of July 19,2021, more than 161 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

During the same time, CDC received reports from 49 USA States and territories of 5,914 patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died.

*1,529 (27%) of 5,601 hospitalizations reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.

*292 (26%) of 1,141 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

Of the vaccinated, 4072 hospitalizations were reported as symptomatic due to COVID-19 and 849 fatal cases were reported as symptomatic due to COVID-19.

So, vaccinated people have a 0.0005% chance of hospitalization and a 0.0001% chance of dying from the coronavirus.

Those percentages are far lower than the risk of being hospitalized with or dying of the seasonal flu. They also represent much less risk than people are willing to take on every day when they drive in their car or engage in a sport. I'll take those odds all day everyday.

I Luv Emall
07-23-21, 19:27
Yes, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated alright:

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/vast-majority-covid-19-cluster-in-cape-cod-were-vaccinated/

At least 33 people in a nursing home in Yarmouth on Cape Cod have tested positive for SARS-Cov-2. Most of the residents that tested positive were vaccinated, reported the Boston Globe.

Dr. Janet Whelan, a member of the Provincetown Board of Health, confirmed that the vaccinated could be spreading the Coronavirus: "The most interesting thing to me about this cluster of cases is so many of the people infected were vaccinated, which sort of means that a lot of the people that are vaccinated who are exposed to it may feel safe, but may also transmit it to others. ".

The evidence just keeps piling up, contradicting the idiotic statement by the president, spreading disinformation and doing the public a disservice for political gain. But keep believing in your idol and your magical vaccines, like that Democratic Delegation from Texas. Actually I have to retract what I said, because now they say they were all fully vaccinated:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/us/politics/texas-covid-voting-rights.html

"Everybody is scrambling because the realization is hitting that this new strain is among us and is very contagious even among people who are vaccinated," Gina Hinojosa, a state representative from Austin, said.

Apparently the President is the last to know- well, besides some people on here.

Sgt Soros
07-23-21, 20:31
State of Vermont, with highest concentration of vaccinated individuals vs State of Alabama, with lowest concentration of vaccinated individuals.

In the last 7 days:

*Alabama recorded 901 COVID cases; Vermont recorded 8 COVID cases.

*Alabama has 65 hospital admissions DAILY due to COVID vs Vermont with ZERO.

*Alabama 41 deaths due to COVID last week vs Vermont with ZERO deaths.

GOP Governor Says Blame the Unvaccinated

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) called out the unvaccinated folks for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.


Yes, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated alright:

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/vast-majority-covid-19-cluster-in-cape-cod-were-vaccinated/

At least 33 people in a nursing home in Yarmouth on Cape Cod have tested positive for SARS-Cov-2. Most of the residents that tested positive were vaccinated, reported the Boston Globe.

Dr. Janet Whelan, a member of the Provincetown Board of Health, confirmed that the vaccinated could be spreading the Coronavirus: "The most interesting thing to me about this cluster of cases is so many of the people infected were vaccinated, which sort of means that a lot of the people that are vaccinated who are exposed to it may feel safe, but may also transmit it to others. ".

The evidence just keeps piling up, contradicting the idiotic statement by the president, spreading disinformation and doing the public a disservice for political gain. But keep believing in your idol and your magical vaccines, like that Democratic Delegation from Texas. Actually I have to retract what I said, because now they say they were all fully vaccinated:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/us/politics/texas-covid-voting-rights.html

"Everybody is scrambling because the realization is hitting that this new strain is among us and is very contagious even among people who are vaccinated," Gina Hinojosa, a state representative from Austin, said.

Apparently the President is the last to know- well, besides some people on here.

TheRabbit
07-23-21, 20:38
A lot of anti-vax propaganda focuses on how low deaths are to downplay how unnecessary vaccines are with modern medicine. It completely ignores the hospital visits that are often needed to survive the diseases and that does nothing to address long term complications from the disease itself.

Sgt Lurker
07-24-21, 09:00
There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.

Your comment is about as stupid as the KY governor back the end of February when he was complaining that Blacks were disproportionately receiving the vaccine, because they only represented 15% of recipients. The census shows KY is only 8. 5% Black so actually, they were double the white race.


State of Vermont, with highest concentration of vaccinated individuals vs State of Alabama, with lowest concentration of vaccinated individuals.
In the last 7 days:
*Alabama recorded 901 COVID cases; Vermont recorded 8 COVID cases.
*Alabama has 65 hospital admissions DAILY due to COVID vs Vermont with ZERO.
*Alabama 41 deaths due to COVID last week vs Vermont with ZERO deaths.
GOP Governor Says Blame the Unvaccinated
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) called out the unvaccinated folks for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.

Bullett64
07-24-21, 09:32
There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.Math also depends on some vocabulary. If you describe having a 15 times higher chance of catching the disease as "miniscule" then you are correct. I personally think that big a difference is worth being vaccinated. Your choice may vary.

Despite the basic math, what I fear you are ignoring is the effect of the vaccine in significantly reducing the severity of the disease should you get it, not to mention the significant reduction in hospitalizations and near elimination of deaths.

Its your call and your life. Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.

Wizard22
07-24-21, 13:06
There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.

Your comment is about as stupid as the KY governor back the end of February when he was complaining that Blacks were disproportionately receiving the vaccine, because they only represented 15% of recipients. The census shows KY is only 8. 5% Black so actually, they were double the white race.So, by your helpful calculations, the infection rate in Alabama is over 14 times that of Vermont. I would not call that "minuscule. ".

Aaron Hamlet
07-24-21, 16:10
a steep falloff in effectiveness.

"People are sort of raising their eyebrows a bit."

Bullett64
07-24-21, 17:07
a steep falloff in effectiveness.

"People are sort of raising their eyebrows a bit."Do you even read the stuff you post? The quote is "apparent steep falloff. " By all means, make your conclusions before the data is analyzed. And even if the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be less effective then initially thought, pleas realize that it is only the number three vaccine used in the US. To allude they are all similarly ineffective is disingenuous at best.

Aaron Hamlet
07-24-21, 21:19
Do you even read the stuff you post? The quote is "apparent steep falloff. " By all means, make your conclusions before the data is analyzed. And even if the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be less effective then initially thought, pleas realize that it is only the number three vaccine used in the US. To allude they are all similarly ineffective is disingenuous at best.Do you even read? I'm not referring to my post, but do you read at all, period? Israel/UK have nationalized medicine. All their data comes into a sole clearinghouse.The data from Israel and UK has been out for a couple weeks and has been analyzed. 50-60% of new cases have been non-vaccine vaxed, 90% of new cases in 50 years old+ have been vaccinated by non vax drug. Fauci's a liar. And the mRNA non-vaccine vaccines are all basically the same.

Aaron Hamlet
07-24-21, 21:21
Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.And don't you become one of those begging,"but I took the non-vaccine vaccine," after it is too late.

Niteluvr
07-24-21, 22:24
Math also depends on some vocabulary. If you describe having a 15 times higher chance of catching the disease as "miniscule" then you are correct. I personally think that big a difference is worth being vaccinated. Your choice may vary.

Despite the basic math, what I fear you are ignoring is the effect of the vaccine in significantly reducing the severity of the disease should you get it, not to mention the significant reduction in hospitalizations and near elimination of deaths.

Its your call and your life. Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.I agree. I think in the end there will be a lot of people with regrets, especially when new variants become tougher to fight.

Bullett64
07-24-21, 22:53
And don't you become one of those begging,"but I took the non-vaccine vaccine," after it is too late.All reasonable evidence points to the fact that the vaccines do indeed work. You need not believe it Your call. Your life.

If the vaccines do work and you do not get one, you risk serious illness and possible death.

If they don't work, you are no worse off then you were going in. Vaccination gives you the chance to minimize, if not completely avoid the disease. Not getting vaccinated gives you -- nothing.

TheRabbit
07-24-21, 23:58
Do you even read? I'm not referring to my post, but do you read at all, period? Israel/UK have nationalized medicine. All their data comes into a sole clearinghouse.The data from Israel and UK has been out for a couple weeks and has been analyzed. 50-60% of new cases have been non-vaccine vaxed, 90% of new cases in 50 years old+ have been vaccinated by non vax drug. Fauci's a liar. And the mRNA non-vaccine vaccines are all basically the same.In protecting against infection, Pfizer vaccines are 95% effective for the alpha variant but only 64% effective for the delta variant.

In preventing symptomatic COVID-19 cases, Pfizer vaccines are 97% effective for the alpha variant but only 64% effective for the delta variant.

In preventing hospitalization and serious disease, Pfizer vaccines are 97.5% effective for the alpha variant and still 93% effective for the delta variant.

While the Pfizer vaccine is less effective against the delta variant, the vaccine's effectiveness still far exceeds the 50% vaccine efficacy threshold required for WHO approval, according to the organization's website.

"Just because a variant emerges that renders the vaccines less effective doesn't mean those vaccines weren't effective in the first place," according to The Washington Post.

This article https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/...cinated-people.

Which acknowledges a significant reducation in effect by Pfizer vaccines against cases in Israel still acknowledges that it is highly effective at preventing hospitalization and serious disease, something important given that Delta might be as much as twice the baseline hospitalization rate of older variants. Meanwhile 2/3 rds protection against spread is still a significant reduction in spread. And yes in the long run we will have to take seasonal vaccines like we do with the flu. Does it eradicate the flu? No. Does it have 90%+ efficacy? Not always. But is it worth it? Yes.

Sgt Lurker
07-25-21, 00:30
14 times 0. 001 %, big deal. Let's also relook some other scientific fact. Type O Negative have the lease probability of catching and if they do, like my brother, have an extremely mild form of it. Almost as if he had the shot but it was before the vaccine. Another scientific fact, those who have had it and overcame it, have natural immunity and the shot actually does very little to protect them further.

But you keep on drinking the Fauci Koolaid and remember, if we never challenged their science, we would still be smoking whatever cigarette brand the Doctor recommended. Being able to purchase our own cough syrup with cocaine or opium over the counter.


So, by your helpful calculations, the infection rate in Alabama is over 14 times that of Vermont. I would not call that "minuscule. ".

Sgt Soros
07-25-21, 05:28
Its patently clear you received your diploma in statistical analysis from the now defunct trump University. It's kind of funny, if you sit back and think about it, trump was truly the first real COVID experimental Guinea pig in all this. He contracted COVID and it seems he wasn't afraid to take any drug cocktail to treat his COVID infection because he wanted to live. The icing on the cake, stump and his family received the COVID vaccine secretly in January.

Trump humpers when trump was POTUS: we will get the miracle vaccine.

Trump humpers after Biden won: We won't get it.

You just can’t fix stupid!


14 times 0. 001 %, big deal. Let's also relook some other scientific fact. Type O Negative have the lease probability of catching and if they do, like my brother, have an extremely mild form of it. Almost as if he had the shot but it was before the vaccine. Another scientific fact, those who have had it and overcame it, have natural immunity and the shot actually does very little to protect them further.

But you keep on drinking the Fauci Koolaid and remember, if we never challenged their science, we would still be smoking whatever cigarette brand the Doctor recommended. Being able to purchase our own cough syrup with cocaine or opium over the counter.

Sgt Soros
07-25-21, 05:36
And don't you become one of those begging,"but I took the non-vaccine vaccine," after it is too late.At this point, COVID is simply culling the herd of trump-humpers. To borrow a trope from the evangelicals: You may not believe in Covid, but Covid sure believes in you. LOL.

NuGuy36
07-25-21, 08:12
What is it that you don't understand about this virus? The original variant sickened and possibly killed the weakest first, namely the elderly. R0 for it was 2. 7. The Delta variant is now sickening and potentially killing those 40+, and in some areas with wide community spread it is sickening children. R0 for Delta is 6 and it is 83% of current cases. I have no doubt new variants will develop that are more contagious and virulent. It is just what viruses do. I don't see fear mongering, I see public health officials trying to protect public health.


14 times 0. 001 %, big deal. Let's also relook some other scientific fact. Type O Negative have the lease probability of catching and if they do, like my brother, have an extremely mild form of it. Almost as if he had the shot but it was before the vaccine. Another scientific fact, those who have had it and overcame it, have natural immunity and the shot actually does very little to protect them further.

But you keep on drinking the Fauci Koolaid and remember, if we never challenged their science, we would still be smoking whatever cigarette brand the Doctor recommended. Being able to purchase our own cough syrup with cocaine or opium over the counter.

Sgt Lurker
07-25-21, 08:51
Trump has nothing to do with it. I have not gotten the flu shot but once in 30 years and that was due to a unique situation of flying to Buffalo, NY ever Monday and back later that week every week for several months during the flu season. That is the only time my former military Doctor urged me to get the vaccine. He opposes vaccines also except where it really makes sense. To this date he has not urged me to get the vaccine due to my high natural immunity to disease and blood type. So please, stick your Sleepy Joe and his Hoe butt kissing tongue up your own rectum.


Its patently clear you received your diploma in statistical analysis from the now defunct trump University. It's kind of funny, if you sit back and think about it, trump was truly the first real COVID experimental Guinea pig in all this. He contracted COVID and it seems he wasn't afraid to take any drug cocktail to treat his COVID infection because he wanted to live. The icing on the cake, stump and his family received the COVID vaccine secretly in January.

Trump humpers when trump was POTUS: we will get the miracle vaccine.

Trump humpers after Biden won: We won't get it.

You just cant fix stupid!

I Luv Emall
07-25-21, 09:53
Trump humpers when trump was POTUS: we will get the miracle vaccine.

Trump humpers after Biden won: We won't get it.

You just cant fix stupid!Let's take a look at the administration here:

https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_

Not a Trumpster, not into party politics at all, but what a bunch of hypocrites!

HobbyMan51
07-25-21, 10:21
In this time of virus variants and "surging" cases (a favorite phrase of the media vampires), shouldn't we be asking why the Mensa candidates of Mighty Joe's administration are allowing illegals into this country, maskless, untested, and unvaccinated, and then shipping them to various parts of the country to continue the spread and the lifespan of this oh so convenient to the Democratic Party pandemic? Aside from the Rabbit (No they aren't!) and RogieBoy (You're just a FuckCuck!) and Little Georgie Soros (I am a Marxist God! I am omnipotently correct all of the time!), shouldn't we be seriously asking why this is happening and what is the real intent of an administration that would do such a thing? Discuss, please, if you have the time.

Sgt Soros
07-25-21, 10:25
Trump has nothing to do with it. I have not gotten the flu shot but once in 30 years and that was due to a unique situation of flying to Buffalo, NY ever Monday and back later that week every week for several months during the flu season. That is the only time my former military Doctor urged me to get the vaccine. He opposes vaccines also except where it really makes sense. To this date he has not urged me to get the vaccine due to my high natural immunity to disease and blood type. So please, stick your Sleepy Joe and his Hoe butt kissing tongue up your own rectum.Interesting, since you are the self appointed usasexguide health immunologist, I guess Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Haemophilus, Hepatitis, Chickenpox and Pneumococcal conjugate vaccines are OK, but not the COVID vaccines. You folks question what's in the COVID vaccine but never what's in the food you eat everyday. SMDH!

Sgt Soros
07-25-21, 11:14
Let's take a look at the administration here:

https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_

Not a Trumpster, not into party politics at all, but what a bunch of hypocrites!Your protestations of being apolitical ring hollow. Its clearly bogus! One can only hope, the Delta COVID variant will trigger a mass extinction event of the clinically stupid. You trumphumpers have the Right to Die! We will Respect that.

A member of the Hillsong megachurch who posted an anti-vax tweet saying "I got 99 problems but getting vaccinated isnt one" died in California after a month-long battle with the Covid-19 virus.
,,,
He made memes about trusting the Bible over Dr. Anthony Fauci. 
,,,
34-year-old Stephen Harmon died on Wednesday, July 21 at the Corona Regional Medical Center outside Los Angeles where he was being treated for Covid-19 and pneumonia.

Yes, he died at Corona Regional Medical Center? Karma has a sense of humor.....lol

I Luv Emall
07-25-21, 16:04
Your protestations of being apolitical ring hollow. Its clearly bogus! Believe what you will, you're insignificant to me. Unlike you, I'm able to think for myself, and don't need someone to do it for me. I noticed you had no comment on Joe "blow with the political winds" flip-flopping on his vaccine stance. He went from the "vaccines are unsafe", and "who's going to take the first shot?!" To trying to force them on everyone, and taking credit for his predecessor's groundwork.

I Luv Emall
07-25-21, 16:14
What is it that you don't understand about this virus? The original variant sickened and possibly killed the weakest first, namely the elderly. R0 for it was 2. 7. The Delta variant is now sickening and potentially killing those 40+, and in some areas with wide community spread it is sickening children. R0 for Delta is 6 and it is 83% of current cases. I have no doubt new variants will develop that are more contagious and virulent. It is just what viruses do. I don't see fear mongering, I see public health officials trying to protect public health.That's actually not what viruses normally do. Quite the opposite. Viruses normally become less virulent in order to survive. If they kill off all their hosts, they cannot survive themselves. That's the course of normal viruses, but time will tell what monster we've created here, and what part these vaccines have played in that. It's too early to tell yet, just as it's too early to tell the long-term health impacts of these vaccines. So making a judgement at this point on the risk / reward benefit of these vaccines certainly can't be done in full yet. Up until now, from the data I've seen, the risk / reward doesn't appear in favor of the vaccines for those who are younger and with no underlying conditions.

Do you mind sharing your data on the Delta variant and the increased death rates of 40+ year olds? I'm not sure I've seen that, and would be interested. In fact, most of the data I've seen is indicating that while more contagious, the Delta variant is appearing to be a less lethal strain.

Sgt Soros
07-25-21, 17:37
Believe what you will, you're insignificant to me. Unlike you, I'm able to think for myself, and don't need someone to do it for me. I noticed you had no comment on Joe "blow with the political winds" flip-flopping on his vaccine stance. He went from the "vaccines are unsafe", and "who's going to take the first shot?!" To trying to force them on everyone, and taking credit for his predecessor's groundwork.At least I get it: Most trump-humpers won't take the vaccine to stick it to Biden. That's the dumbass logic we're up against. "I'll die and infect others rather than see him succeed. " Or, flatly: "there is no fucking Virus. " "The research behind the vaccines is a hoax. " "It's fake news and a liberal media hoax. "

We hear stories of trump-humpers and anti-vaxers dying from COVID after trump worked "miracles" to speed the development of life saving Covid vaccines, which you all now refuse to take because you want to "own" the Libs. LOL.

Yep, MAGA geniuses everywhere!

TheRabbit
07-25-21, 18:44
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/26/covid-vaccine-regrets/?utm_source=reddit.com

These days, Christy Carpenter finds strength in her family and faith. But on some days, one question keeps ringing in her head: "Why?

After weeks of battling through oxygen treatments, her 28-year-old son died in the hospital two months after being diagnosed with covid-19.

Now in Carpenter's Alabama home, the room belonging to Curt, her "beautiful baby boy" and firstborn, remains empty a painful reminder of a life that could have been saved if the family had decided to get vaccinated, she said.

"It took watching my son die and me suffering the effects of covid for us to realize we need the vaccine," the mother said. "We did not get vaccinated when we had the opportunity and regret that so much now. ".

Although for her it will always be impossible to understand the reason for Curt's passing, Carpenter said she is determined to not let her son's death be futile.

"If Curt were here today, he would make it his mission to encourage everyone to get vaccinated," Carpenter said. "Cayla, his sister, and I are carrying out that mission in his memory. ".

Curt Carpenter was a young and otherwise healthy man. While at home, his mother said, he would spoil her with the "best hugs" and a daily dosage of kindness. Curt was autistic, but Christy Carpenter said he "lived life to the fullest" and had a passion for all things PokMon., trains, video games and frogs.

The pandemic dealt a big blow to the tightknit Carpenter family on March 5, when Curt, his younger sister and his mother were diagnosed with the virus, which has claimed about 610,000 lives across the nation.

At first, the three experienced mild symptoms that slowly began to alleviate. Then, a week later, everything took a turn for the worse.

When their oxygen saturation levels dropped dangerously, the mother and son were rushed to Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham. A day later, they both developed pneumonia, and Curt Carpenter was put on a ventilator.

The constantly changing oxygen levels paired with a pneumothorax a collapsed lung were too much for Curt Carpenter's body. His organs began shutting down. He was declared dead May 2.

His last uttered phrase is still etched in Christy Carpenter's mind: "This is not a hoax, this is real," Curt said, according to his mother.

His mother said Curt Carpenter at first believed that the coronavirus was a hoax. The whole family was hesitant to get vaccinated when the shots became available.

"It took years to create other vaccines, and the coronavirus vaccine was created very quickly," Christy Carpenter said. "That made us very nervous. ".

The Carpenters' reluctance is not unique in a state with the lowest vaccination rates in the country. According to data from the Alabama Department of Public Health, only 33.9 percent of the state's eligible population has been fully vaccinated, and 41.6 percent has received at least one dose.

With cases beginning to climb in the state, health officials are attempting to boost confidence in the vaccine but difficulties in rollout paired with distrust have become major hurdles.

"We find that there's a lot of mistrust with messages that come from state government, from public health, in particular, from the media," said Scott Harris, chief executive of the Alabama Department of Public Health. "It's just a multilayered problem. There's just a lot of different people who have a lot of different reasons for not getting the vaccine. And it's just hard to address them in a big way. ".

Much like the Carpenters, unvaccinated people are often the ones to endure the most severe effects of the virus. In Alabama, they account for more than 95 percent of the current covid-related hospitalizations, Harris said.

Yet, for some, the disease does not end with a negative coronavirus test. Its aftermath can be just as harrowing.

Even after being discharged from the hospital, Christy Carpenter said, she could not drive or work until late May. She said she has been on pulmonary therapy ever since and still struggles with fatigue, hair loss and "covid brain. ".

"I lose my train of thought easily, can't remember parts of conversations, can't remember people's names that I have known for years," she said. "I sometimes think I'm going crazy, but I know I'm not. ".

Even worse, she deals with the backwash of memories of her son a "social butterfly who knew no strangers" and whose time was cut short. Yet his death has inspired a renewed appreciation for life and a mission to protect it.

"If we can help keep people healthier and possibly save lives by encouraging others to take the vaccine, then Curt's death was not in vain," Christy said. "Life is a precious gift from God. ".

SavageThing
07-25-21, 18:54
The family looks "big". The kid that passed away didn't look relatively healthy. When covid was taking its early toll who was most affected? Elderly, newborns perhaps, immune compromised people, and fat people. The kid was a fat person.

I'm all for people choosing to take the vaccine. Those that don't are obviously taking the risk. It's their body. They're not in the military where they wave that ability to choose. We take a risk on the road every day. You ever see those freak accident videos on liveleak, 4 chan or kaotic? Shit can happen any day at any instance and all we can do is mitigate the risk.

Let people deal with the consequences of their actions. The lockdowns were to prevent the hospital system from being overloaded with the sick / ill. A secondary effect was to potentially slow the spread by minimizing contact.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/26/covid-vaccine-regrets/?utm_source=reddit.com

These days, Christy Carpenter finds strength in her family and faith. But on some days, one question keeps ringing in her head: "Why?

After weeks of battling through oxygen treatments, her 28-year-old son died in the hospital two months after being diagnosed with covid-19.

Now in Carpenter's Alabama home, the room belonging to Curt, her "beautiful baby boy" and firstborn, remains empty a painful reminder of a life that could have been saved if the family had decided to get vaccinated, she said.

"It took watching my son die and me suffering the effects of covid for us to realize we need the vaccine," the mother said. "We did not get vaccinated when we had the opportunity and regret that so much now. ".

Although for her it will always be impossible to understand the reason for Curt's passing, Carpenter said she is determined to not let her son's death be futile.

"If Curt were here today, he would make it his mission to encourage everyone to get vaccinated," Carpenter said. "Cayla, his sister, and I are carrying out that mission in his memory. ".

Curt Carpenter was a young and otherwise healthy man. While at home, his mother said, he would spoil her with the "best hugs" and a daily dosage of kindness. Curt was autistic, but Christy Carpenter said he "lived life to the fullest" and had a passion for all things PokMon., trains, video games and frogs.

The pandemic dealt a big blow to the tightknit Carpenter family on March 5, when Curt, his younger sister and his mother were diagnosed with the virus, which has claimed about 610,000 lives across the nation.

At first, the three experienced mild symptoms that slowly began to alleviate. Then, a week later, everything took a turn for the worse.

When their oxygen saturation levels dropped dangerously, the mother and son were rushed to Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham. A day later, they both developed pneumonia, and Curt Carpenter was put on a ventilator.

The constantly changing oxygen levels paired with a pneumothorax a collapsed lung were too much for Curt Carpenter's body. His organs began shutting down. He was declared dead May 2.

His last uttered phrase is still etched in Christy Carpenter's mind: "This is not a hoax, this is real," Curt said, according to his mother.

His mother said Curt Carpenter at first believed that the coronavirus was a hoax. The whole family was hesitant to get vaccinated when the shots became available.

"It took years to create other vaccines, and the coronavirus vaccine was created very quickly," Christy Carpenter said. "That made us very nervous. ".

The Carpenters' reluctance is not unique in a state with the lowest vaccination rates in the country. According to data from the Alabama Department of Public Health, only 33.9 percent of the state's eligible population has been fully vaccinated, and 41.6 percent has received at least one dose.

With cases beginning to climb in the state, health officials are attempting to boost confidence in the vaccine but difficulties in rollout paired with distrust have become major hurdles.

"We find that there's a lot of mistrust with messages that come from state government, from public health, in particular, from the media," said Scott Harris, chief executive of the Alabama Department of Public Health. "It's just a multilayered problem. There's just a lot of different people who have a lot of different reasons for not getting the vaccine. And it's just hard to address them in a big way. ".

Much like the Carpenters, unvaccinated people are often the ones to endure the most severe effects of the virus. In Alabama, they account for more than 95 percent of the current covid-related hospitalizations, Harris said.

Yet, for some, the disease does not end with a negative coronavirus test. Its aftermath can be just as harrowing.

Even after being discharged from the hospital, Christy Carpenter said, she could not drive or work until late May. She said she has been on pulmonary therapy ever since and still struggles with fatigue, hair loss and "covid brain. ".

"I lose my train of thought easily, can't remember parts of conversations, can't remember people's names that I have known for years," she said. "I sometimes think I'm going crazy, but I know I'm not. ".

Even worse, she deals with the backwash of memories of her son a "social butterfly who knew no strangers" and whose time was cut short. Yet his death has inspired a renewed appreciation for life and a mission to protect it.

"If we can help keep people healthier and possibly save lives by encouraging others to take the vaccine, then Curt's death was not in vain," Christy said. "Life is a precious gift from God. ".

I Luv Emall
07-25-21, 20:01
I don't think you get anything. Want to talk about a dumbass? Who's the dumbass who didn't even realize he agreed to be a lab rat with these "experimental" vaccines? You took the vaccine blindly because your idol told you to, without even reading the paperwork and realizing you were the Phase III trial, and these were by definition experimental vaccines. Who's got their head up their ass? At least know and understand the risk you're taking, and make an informed decision based on that, but clearly you put no thought into it and have done no research, but are just another sheep unable to think for himself. That's why you have to classify people the way you do, because you think everyone is as stupid as you are, and have to follow the crowds as blindly as you do. You're pathetic.


At least I get it: Most trump-humpers won't take the vaccine to stick it to Biden. That's the dumbass logic we're up against. "I'll die and infect others rather than see him succeed. " Or, flatly: "there is no fucking Virus. " "The research behind the vaccines is a hoax. " "It's fake news and a liberal media hoax. "

We hear stories of trump-humpers and anti-vaxers dying from COVID after trump worked "miracles" to speed the development of life saving Covid vaccines, which you all now refuse to take because you want to "own" the Libs. LOL.

Yep, MAGA geniuses everywhere!

Sgt Soros
07-25-21, 20:24
The vaccine manufacturers should market a special vaccine version just for trump sheepies like you, which consists of the normal vaccine with one part per million of Hydroxychloroquine and one part per million of Bleach. They should then market it as "trump's Homeopathic Covid Prevention and Treatment." Then get trump to agree to the use of his name by charging $10 or $20 per shot "with all the proceeds going to his efforts to investigate and overturn the fraudulent election of 2020".

If we can get Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Anthony Fauci to denounce it as extremely dangerous, we're home free. I GUARANTEE every one of the trump-humpers will be vaccinated by Labor Day. Again, You just cannot fix stupid!


I don't think you get anything. Want to talk about a dumbass? Who's the dumbass who didn't even realize he agreed to be a lab rat with these "experimental" vaccines? You took the vaccine blindly because your idol told you to, without even reading the paperwork and realizing you were the Phase III trial, and these were by definition experimental vaccines. Who's got their head up their ass? At least know and understand the risk you're taking, and make an informed decision based on that, but clearly you put no thought into it and have done no research, but are just another sheep unable to think for himself. That's why you have to classify people the way you do, because you think everyone is as stupid as you are, and have to follow the crowds as blindly as you do. You're pathetic.

Did I hit a nerve?...lol

TheRabbit
07-26-21, 06:53
The whole point of vaccination and, in general, of risk assessment. Imbeciles like to look at the "data" about the chances of getting adverse effects from the vaccine, see that they are NOT-ZERO, and claim that's enough reasons for them to opt out of it. Too bad that when assessing risk of anything, the comparison is NEVER with ZERO, but with the risk associated to NOT doing the thing. In this case, the risk associated to getting COVID is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than the risk associated to the vaccine, and that's literally all that there is to consider, nothing more. It's really a no brainer choice, and yet people pretend they have the third option with ZERO-risk of not getting vaccinated and still being immune to the virus somehow, when all they're doing is gambling their lives and deliberately choosing the least favourable outcome. There is really no limit to the stupidity and inability of comprehending basic statistics of people.

Sgt Soros
07-26-21, 09:51
The whole point of vaccination and, in general, of risk assessment. Imbeciles like to look at the "data" about the chances of getting adverse effects from the vaccine, see that they are NOT-ZERO, and claim that's enough reasons for them to opt out of it. Too bad that when assessing risk of anything, the comparison is NEVER with ZERO, but with the risk associated to NOT doing the thing. In this case, the risk associated to getting COVID is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than the risk associated to the vaccine, and that's literally all that there is to consider, nothing more. It's really a no brainer choice, and yet people pretend they have the third option with ZERO-risk of not getting vaccinated and still being immune to the virus somehow, when all they're doing is gambling their lives and deliberately choosing the least favourable outcome. There is really no limit to the stupidity and inability of comprehending basic statistics of people.So True! You can't fix stupid! "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. " George Carlin.

I Luv Emall
07-26-21, 09:54
You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door. You're right, you can't fix stupid, and you're living proof. You're so fixated on Trump you have an obsession with him. All anyone has to do is look at your posts and see that 99% of them have to do with Trump. I think Aaron is spot on about you, and you obviously do have daddy issues and and are projecting this on Trump. Please go see someone about this who can help you move past it. We all know now how you're secretly in love with Trump, so you really need to address that issue before you become a stalker, if you haven't already.


The vaccine manufacturers should market a special vaccine version just for trump sheepies like you, which consists of the normal vaccine with one part per million of Hydroxychloroquine and one part per million of Bleach. They should then market it as "trump's Homeopathic Covid Prevention and Treatment." Then get trump to agree to the use of his name by charging $10 or $20 per shot "with all the proceeds going to his efforts to investigate and overturn the fraudulent election of 2020".

If we can get Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Anthony Fauci to denounce it as extremely dangerous, we're home free. I GUARANTEE every one of the trump-humpers will be vaccinated by Labor Day. Again, You just cannot fix stupid!



Did I hit a nerve?...lol

I Luv Emall
07-26-21, 10:13
You're apparently the imbecile, since you can't see the irony of your own post here, and how you're guilty of performing the very mistake that you're accusing others of. Yes, it's about risk assessment, moron. Not about fear-mongering and panic, as you would have everyone believe. Of course there's a non-zero chance of getting COVID. There's also a very small percentage of complications for those of us who are relatively young and with no underlying conditions. That's where your assessment fails, because you automatically equate COVID with ZERO chance of survival. That's stupidity and completely against the factual data. The chances of this are fractional. And with treatments available today, the risk assessment tilts heavily in favor of not vaccinating for me. So stop acting like you know what's best for me, because you don't.

Why don't you tell me how you've calculated your risk assessment for the vaccine? Explain to me how you've calculated the current death rate and adverse reactions from the VAERS data base, and then how you've factored in the potential long-term effects of your compromised immune system going forward? Explain to me what factor you used to calculate the risk assessment of potential long-term health effects from these experimental vaccines, and how you arrived at that, and then maybe we can have a discussion about how you know what's best for everybody else. Again, I have no problem if you want to take the vaccine, but don't try to force your agenda on me, and don't try to act like you're smarter or superior to me because you choose to be a lab rat.


The whole point of vaccination and, in general, of risk assessment. Imbeciles like to look at the "data" about the chances of getting adverse effects from the vaccine, see that they are NOT-ZERO, and claim that's enough reasons for them to opt out of it. Too bad that when assessing risk of anything, the comparison is NEVER with ZERO, but with the risk associated to NOT doing the thing. In this case, the risk associated to getting COVID is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than the risk associated to the vaccine, and that's literally all that there is to consider, nothing more. It's really a no brainer choice, and yet people pretend they have the third option with ZERO-risk of not getting vaccinated and still being immune to the virus somehow, when all they're doing is gambling their lives and deliberately choosing the least favourable outcome. There is really no limit to the stupidity and inability of comprehending basic statistics of people.

TheRabbit
07-26-21, 11:26
You're apparently the imbecile, since you can't see the irony of your own post here, and how you're guilty of performing the very mistake that you're accusing others of. Yes, it's about risk assessment, moron. Not about fear-mongering and panic, as you would have everyone believe. Of course there's a non-zero chance of getting COVID. There's also a very small percentage of complications for those of us who are relatively young and with no underlying conditions. That's where your assessment fails, because you automatically equate COVID with ZERO chance of survival. That's stupidity and completely against the factual data. No I don't, I just saying you have a far greater chance of developing life long complications from COVID-19 than you ever will from the vaccine.


Why don't you tell me how you've calculated your risk assessment for the vaccine? Explain to me how you've calculated the current death rate and adverse reactions from the VAERS data baseWe already talked how the VAERS Data is virtually unreliable.


but don't try to force your agenda on me, and don't try to act like you're smarter or superior to me I'm not trying to force an "agenda" on you I'm just sharing reliable facts from reliable sources.

Sgt Lurker
07-26-21, 11:52
The whole point of vaccination is to PREVENT a devastating disease. Getting the long laundry list of vaccines like polio, and measles is to PREVENT you from getting it not to lessen the effects of those diseases. As we now know, the COVID vaccine does not prevent the disease. Matter of fact, they have stopped saying it will prevent it but will lessen the effects. Why? Because a whole lot of people are getting the disease after getting the vaccine.

You and little Georgia really need to stop quoting from the misleading speaking points and try using your God given brain.


The whole point of vaccination and, in general, of risk assessment. Imbeciles like to look at the "data" about the chances of getting adverse effects from the vaccine, see that they are NOT-ZERO, and claim that's enough reasons for them to opt out of it. Too bad that when assessing risk of anything, the comparison is NEVER with ZERO, but with the risk associated to NOT doing the thing. In this case, the risk associated to getting COVID is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than the risk associated to the vaccine, and that's literally all that there is to consider, nothing more. It's really a no brainer choice, and yet people pretend they have the third option with ZERO-risk of not getting vaccinated and still being immune to the virus somehow, when all they're doing is gambling their lives and deliberately choosing the least favourable outcome. There is really no limit to the stupidity and inability of comprehending basic statistics of people.

TheRabbit
07-26-21, 13:04
The whole point of vaccination is to PREVENT a devastating disease. Getting the long laundry list of vaccines like polio, and measles is to PREVENT you from getting it not to lessen the effects of those diseases. As we now know, the COVID vaccine does not prevent the disease. Matter of fact, they have stopped saying it will prevent it but will lessen the effects. Why? Because a whole lot of people are getting the disease after getting the vaccine.

You and little Georgia really need to stop quoting from the misleading speaking points and try using your God given brain.I am using my brain and my brain along with the data shows that 95% of people who currently in the hospital with COVID-19 are the unvaccinated and the people who are vaccinated and have COVID-19 have symptoms nowhere as serious as the unvaccinated plus the CDC has always stated that there was a chance you can still get COVID-19 if your vaccinated but your symptoms are nowhere near as severe and you have a much higher chance of surviving the disease with little to no lifelong complications.

Aaron Hamlet
07-26-21, 13:49
the data shows that 95% of people who currently in the hospital with COVID-19 are the unvaccinated .Where's that data? Israel, UK, Scotland have similar demographics to the US, same not-a-vaccine vaccines and much better data due to H / C nationalization and all show the majority of covid cases, those hospitalized and those dead of covid have been vaccinated with the not a vaccine. Iceland has 85% of those over 16 years old vaccinated with the not a vaccine and having their largest spike in cases.

LoveARub69
07-26-21, 16:16
Where's that data? Israel, UK, Scotland have similar demographics to the US, same not-a-vaccine vaccines and much better data due to H / C nationalization and all show the majority of covid cases, those hospitalized and those dead of covid have been vaccinated with the not a vaccine. Iceland has 85% of those over 16 years old vaccinated with the not a vaccine and having their largest spike in cases.https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-are-rising-again-experts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

Sgt Soros
07-26-21, 16:16
Gawd you're dumb! Trust me when I say this, I really don't give a scats ass about trump. I really enjoy "triggering" you trump-humping dimwits.

To be clear, trump failed miserably at his job. The job of POTUS comes with serious, mature responsibility and factual accountability to the entire country becauses lives are at risk. Trump accepted responsibility for nothing and was accountable to no one. Lie, deflect, insult, blame others, was his stock and trade. His lies about COVID were only dwarfed by his incompetence about COVID.

I get that you, and others of your ilk, don't get it and never will. That's okay. You're excused because you're in a brain dead cult that is full of rage, hate, propaganda and misinformation. Keep living in your alternative reality world and let responsible, accountable, competent, level-headed adults govern the country.


You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door. You're right, you can't fix stupid, and you're living proof. You're so fixated on Trump you have an obsession with him. All anyone has to do is look at your posts and see that 99% of them have to do with Trump. I think Aaron is spot on about you, and you obviously do have daddy issues and and are projecting this on Trump. Please go see someone about this who can help you move past it. We all know now how you're secretly in love with Trump, so you really need to address that issue before you become a stalker, if you haven't already.

I Luv Emall
07-26-21, 21:14
You're the dumbass that keeps immortalizing Trump. You're the one that keeps bringing him up in every single conversation over and over. You're so fixated on him you just can't leave him in the past. I think you're more sorry to see him go than the Trumpsters you claim to hate so much. I think you secretly want to join them, but lack the courage and hate yourself for it. You were probably in DC hoping just to touch his robe and solve your daddy issues. You really do need to get that addressed before you end up like your idol and his family.


Gawd you're dumb! Trust me when I say this, I really don't give a scats ass about trump. I really enjoy "triggering" you trump-humping dimwits.

To be clear, trump failed miserably at his job. The job of POTUS comes with serious, mature responsibility and factual accountability to the entire country becauses lives are at risk. Trump accepted responsibility for nothing and was accountable to no one. Lie, deflect, insult, blame others, was his stock and trade. His lies about COVID were only dwarfed by his incompetence about COVID.

I get that you, and others of your ilk, don't get it and never will. That's okay. You're excused because you're in a brain dead cult that is full of rage, hate, propaganda and misinformation. Keep living in your alternative reality world and let responsible, accountable, competent, level-headed adults govern the country.

TheRabbit
07-27-21, 07:40
These types of people are the majority who refused to get vaccinated (in the US at least) and their reasoning for not doing so are extremely petty. 😔.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/24/covid-vaccine-push-rural-500717

Sgt Soros
07-27-21, 08:33
Nice try, but thanks for reconfirming your trump-humpers cult membership. Need some Kleenex to dry your crocodile tears? Sounds like youre having an episode. Do you have your therapist on speed dial? If so, this may be a good time to give him/her a ring.


You're the dumbass that keeps immortalizing Trump. You're the one that keeps bringing him up in every single conversation over and over. You're so fixated on him you just can't leave him in the past. I think you're more sorry to see him go than the Trumpsters you claim to hate so much. I think you secretly want to join them, but lack the courage and hate yourself for it. You were probably in DC hoping just to touch his robe and solve your daddy issues. You really do need to get that addressed before you end up like your idol and his family.

Sgt Soros
07-27-21, 08:40
These types of people are the majority who refused to get vaccinated (in the US at least) and their reasoning for not doing so are extremely petty. 😔.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/24/covid-vaccine-push-rural-500717Some GOP governors who have spread LIES about the pandemic have had a come to Jesus moment and are now starting to realize that it's their GOP constituency who are going to be dying off and they will LOSE the next election. Again, you cannot fix stupid!

Joesouncool
07-27-21, 08:57
Some GOP governors who have spread lies about the pandemic have had a come to Jesus moment and are now starting to realize that it's their GOP constituency who are going to be dying off and they will LOSE the next election. You just can't fix stupid!Can we get back to talking about women, pussy, and big tits.

Aaron Hamlet
07-27-21, 09:33
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-are-rising-again-experts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinatedThat's not data. How do they arrive at these numbers? Before non-vaccine vaccine was available, 100% of the nonvaccine nonvaxed died. Do they count those? Why do similar nations using same non-vaccine vaccine show the majority of those sick, in hospital or dead w / China virus were non-vaccine vaxxed yet US shows 99% weren't?

Sgt Soros
07-27-21, 10:26
Can we get back to talking about women, pussy, and big tits.FYI, No one here is preventing you or anyone else from talking about women, pussy and big tits.

TheRabbit
07-27-21, 10:52
That's not data. How do they arrive at these numbers? Before vaccine was available, 100% of the nonvaxed died. Do they count those? Why do similar nations using same vaccine show the majority of those sick, in hospital or dead w / virus were vaxxed yet US shows 99% weren't?Earlier on I mentioned that the CDC indicates that from December 14th when the first vaccine was administered to July 12th, a total of 1,063 vaccinated Americans have died of "breakthrough" Covid-19 cases, 3/4 ers of them elderly.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

They have since updated that to 1,141 dead through July 19th. Going by FT's figures around 1,768 Americans died from July 12th to July 19th. So for comparison, during that week:

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gib&areas=usa&areasRegional=ustx&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=usmo&cumulative=1&logScale=0&per100K=0&startDate=2020-02-01&values=deaths

161 million Americans were fully vaccinated. 78 of them died.

172 million Americans were unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated. 1,690 of them died.

So the unvaccinated or undervaccinated account for 95.6% of deaths, largely in line with claims by medical authorities. However that doesn't adjust for age and health:

*43.6 out of 54.7 million aged 65+ are fully vaccinated, about 80% of the overall elderly population.

*0. 1 out of 48.7 million aged under 12 or less are fully vaccinated, about 0. 2% of the overall child population. I suspect that many getting the vaccinations are those considered disproportionately vulnerable.

So even though the vaccinated population is both older and sicker they still account for just 4. 4% of Covid deaths.

Vx333
07-27-21, 11:30
Earlier on I mentioned that the CDC indicates that from December 14th when the first vaccine was administered to July 12th, a total of 1,063 vaccinated Americans have died of "breakthrough" Covid-19 cases, 3/4 ers of them elderly.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

They have since updated that to 1,141 dead through July 19th. Going by FT's figures around 1,768 Americans died from July 12th to July 19th. So for comparison, during that week:

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gib&areas=usa&areasRegional=ustx&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=usmo&cumulative=1&logScale=0&per100K=0&startDate=2020-02-01&values=deaths

161 million Americans were fully vaccinated. 78 of them died.

172 million Americans were unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated. 1,690 of them died.

So the unvaccinated or undervaccinated account for 95.6% of deaths, largely in line with claims by medical authorities. However that doesn't adjust for age and health:

*43.6 out of 54.7 million aged 65+ are fully vaccinated, about 80% of the overall elderly population.

*0. 1 out of 48.7 million aged under 12 or less are fully vaccinated, about 0. 2% of the overall child population. I suspect that many getting the vaccinations are those considered disproportionately vulnerable.

So even though the vaccinated population is both older and sicker they still account for just 4. 4% of Covid deaths.You changed my mind. I'll make an appointment tonight to get mine.

I don't want to be at the mercy of a third world country's shitty healthcare if I get covid abroad.

I Luv Emall
07-27-21, 12:10
You're the one with the daddy issues. Once again, you're unable to think for yourself, so you have to be a copy cat. I'm sorry it was too late for you, and your therapist was unable to save you from following in the footsteps of your idol and his family. No wonder you're so in favor of Biden and his efforts to defund the police.


Nice try, but thanks for reconfirming your trump-humpers cult membership. Need some Kleenex to dry your crocodile tears? Sounds like youre having an episode. Do you have your therapist on speed dial? If so, this may be a good time to give him/her a ring.

Aaron Hamlet
07-27-21, 13:08
Earlier on I mentioned that the CDC indicates that from December 14th Part of that propaganda is a massive backcount of deaths before non vaccine was available to all on April 15th and not taking into consideration the seasonality of China virus coinciding with the dates the non vaccine vaccine was made available to all.

Current. Happening now: UK and Israel keep a daily running total that show the majority of those hospitalized, critically ill and dead have been vaccinated by the non vaccine:



70.5% of ICU beds in Israel are occupied by the fully non vaccine vaccined.

Of the 108 patients that are in severe / critical conditions:

77 that are fully vaccinated.

31 that are not fully vaccinated.

https://t.me/MOHreport

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m0uNQFqBP513O8tdKPUabC_x-1ChxmmO/view

Last 28 days in the UK:

415 deaths over age of 50.

284 vaxed by non vaccine.

131 unvaxed.

23 k new Delta cases over age of 50:

22,763 of the 23 k vaxed by non vaccine.

2,263 Delta emergency cases admitted over age of 50:1600 vaxed by non vaccine. 663 unvaxed.

Go deep into that data and you'll see Theta variant attacks the young and Lambda variant seems worse of all. Probably heading to US soon. Hurry and get the non vaccine vax that won't help

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1005517/Technical_Briefing_19.pdf

'Although over 85 percent of the population above 16 have received two vaccine doses, Iceland has seen infections spurt with 355 new cases since July 12 creating the largest case count the country has seen since the pandemic began.'

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-iceland-reimposes-covid-restrictions-cases.html

Longer story short. The non vaccine vaccine was for original China virus variant. Maybe it helped, maybe it didn't. Current data shows it doesn't help and may make things worse by depositing spike proteins and their waste on the cell walls of blood vessels and gathering en masse where blood flow is slowest. Train your immune system to kill the needed T cells in your lungs. Soon you'll be told to get a booster, go through new rounds of the non vaccine vaccine. That has been described by the non aligned doctors as Russian Roulette with six bullets Very complex, hard to put into lay mans terms of course, but the 20+ hours of videos linked and the many more out there try. Remember. There was no pre-clinical phase to these non vaccine vaccines. You are the lab rats and rhesus monkeys! Rejoice! The non vaccine vaccines have created 9 pharma billionaires. The billionaires are fully exempt from any and all liability. Resist!

Aaron Hamlet
07-27-21, 13:38
'A new analysis finds several counties with above-average vaccination rates also have higher COVID case rates, while case rates are falling in counties with below-average vaccination rates. '.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination-california-counties/

Your natural immune system is being attacked and retrained by the non vaccine vaccine making it weaker. If you've been injected with the non vaccine vaccine and have lower respiratory problems get educated fast. Real fast. Resist!

I Luv Emall
07-27-21, 14:03
How can that be? "It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated", according to our well-informed buffoon of a leader and his mindless minions here. The psyop seems to be coming apart at the seams, just as it was getting started. I never thought it would happen this fast.


'A new analysis finds several counties with above-average vaccination rates also have higher COVID case rates, while case rates are falling in counties with below-average vaccination rates. '.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination-california-counties/

Your natural immune system is being attacked and retrained by the non vaccine vaccine making it weaker. If you've been injected with the non vaccine vaccine and have lower respiratory problems get educated fast. Real fast. Resist!

Aaron Hamlet
07-27-21, 14:23
How can that be? "It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated", according to our well-informed buffoon of a leader and his mindless minions here. The psyop seems to be coming apart at the seams, just as it was getting started. I never thought it would happen this fast.I've been seeing reports for the last 7-10 days that show China virus cases are rising faster in specific areas that have largest percentage of those vaxed by the non vaccine and falling in areas among those unvaxed by the non vaccine. Evidently that's becoming more widespread and obvious to the point that the State propaganda machine, which is the MSM, is forced to report on it in order to retain the few tiny bits of credibility they have left.

How the Biden administration squares this fact while calling for non vaccine vaccine mandates will be interesting

Aaron Hamlet
07-27-21, 16:11
"And they haven't seen it anywhere else outside of Colombia. Well, guess what? In the last week, 10% of our patients had the Colombian variant. ".

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/07/26/colombian-covid-variant-already-spreading-in-south-florida/

Colombians don't play. Neither do their China virus variants. Colombia is in the midst of an outbreak that adjusted for population, the US today would have over 2,000 daily deaths and 80,000 new cases every day. At the Colombia outbreak's peak one month ago on June 26,2021, the pop adj numbers in US would be 230,000 new cases per day and 5,000 China virus deaths per day. No worries. I'm sure masks, the non vaccine vaccine and the Biden administration will make sure all is well.

And on a global scale. On July 23,2020 the world reported 254,801 new China virus cases. On July 23,2021, the world reported 579,239 new cases. On July 23,2020 there were 4,742 reported new China virus deaths. On July 23,2021 the world reported 8,728 new China virus deaths. Even with the new 'milder' variants, cases and deaths maintain the same rate of incline. Thank goodness for Joe Biden, masks and non vaccine vaccines or we'd be really fucked.

Sgt Soros
07-27-21, 16:24
Contrary to myths circulating on social media, Evidence shows that the mRNA vaccines do NOT cause infertility in men.

In JAMA: The research article is called "Sperm Parameters Before and After COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination".

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2781360

What is true: SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, does pose a risk for both disorders.

Until now, little research has been done on how the virus or the vaccines affect the male reproductive system. But recent investigations by physicians and researchers at the University of Miami have shed new light on these questions.

This research has discovered potentially far-reaching implications for men of all agesincluding younger and middle-aged men who want to have children.

Ranjith Ramasamy, is an Associate Professor of Urology at the University of Miami's Miller School of Medicine. He and his colleagues analyzed the autopsy tissues of the testicles of six men who died of COVID-19 infection.

The result: COVID-19 virus appeared in the tissues of one of the men; decreased numbers of sperm appeared in three.

Another patient - this one survived COVID-19 - had a testis biopsy about three months after his initial COVID-19 infection cleared up. The biopsy showed the coronavirus was still in his testicles.

His team also discovered that COVID-19 affects the penis. An analysis of penile tissue from two men receiving penile implants showed the virus was present seven to nine months after their COVID-19 diagnosis. Both men had developed severe erectile dysfunction, probably because the infection caused reduced blood supply to the penis.

Notably, one of the men had only mild COVID-19 symptoms. The other had been hospitalized. This suggests that even those with a relatively light case of the virus can experience severe erectile dysfunction after recovery.

These findings are not entirely surprising. After all, scientists know other viruses invade the testicles and affect sperm production and fertility.

One example: Investigators studying testes tissues from six patients who died from the 2006 SARS-CoV virus found all of them had widespread cell destruction, with few to no sperm.

It is also known that mumps and Zika viruses can enter the testicles and cause inflammation. Up to 20 percent of men infected with these viruses will have impaired sperm production.

So, in a study that included dissecting the testicles of six men (all dead, so stop screaming), Dr. Ramasamy and a team of urologists found that half of those tested had reduced sperm count. Oh, and sampling from a survivor (you can resume screaming now) showed that not only were sperm counts reduced, COVID-19 can continue to live in the testes months after the initial infection.

And that isn't even the part of this news that will cause most men to flinch. Because another study involved "an analysis of penile tissue" from two men who needed "penile implants" after COVID-19 led to severe erectile dysfunction. The suspected cause here is the same thing that is thought to be behind much of the damage COVID-19 can do to the heart, brain, and other organsblood clots. Those clots lead to decreased blood flow. Decreased blood flow leads to frustration and embarrassment.

On the other hand, a new study shows that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are fine for the male reproductive system. That's something that antivaxxers / trumphumpers might want to keep in mind going forward, especially as they hammer their "no votes for the childless" theme. Those who have been vaccinated will at least have that option, those catching COVID. maybe not so much.

From the beginning, there have been Antivaxers / trumphumpers out there screaming about how the vaccine involved "population control. " And it turns out they're right. Because by turning down the vaccine, Antivaxxers / trumphumpers may be not just putting their lives at risk, but taking themselves right out of the gene pool.

Sgt Soros
07-27-21, 16:30
Let me guess, you got the afternoon memo from ButtFinger news? We hear stories of trumphumpers and anti vaxers dying from the COVID variant after trump worked "miracles" to speed the development of life saving Covid vaccines, which you all now refuse to take because you want to "own" the Libs. LOL Yep, MAGA geniuses everywhere!


"And they haven't seen it anywhere else outside of Colombia. Well, guess what? In the last week, 10% of our patients had the Colombian variant. ".

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/07/26/colombian-covid-variant-already-spreading-in-south-florida/

Colombians don't play. Neither do their China virus variants. Colombia is in the midst of an outbreak that adjusted for population, the US today would have over 2,000 daily deaths and 80,000 new cases every day. At the Colombia outbreak's peak one month ago on June 26,2021, the pop adj numbers in US would be 230,000 new cases per day and 5,000 China virus deaths per day. No worries. I'm sure masks, the non vaccine vaccine and the Biden administration will make sure all is well.

And on a global scale. On July 23,2020 the world reported 254,801 new China virus cases. On July 23,2021, the world reported 579,239 new cases. On July 23,2020 there were 4,742 reported new China virus deaths. On July 23,2021 the world reported 8,728 new China virus deaths. Even with the new 'milder' variants, cases and deaths maintain the same rate of incline. Thank goodness for Joe Biden, masks and non vaccine vaccines or we'd be really fucked.


I've been seeing reports for the last 7-10 days that show China virus cases are rising faster in specific areas that have largest percentage of those vaxed by the non vaccine and falling in areas among those unvaxed by the non vaccine. Evidently that's becoming more widespread and obvious to the point that the State propaganda machine, which is the MSM, is forced to report on it in order to retain the few tiny bits of credibility they have left.

How the Biden administration squares this fact while calling for non vaccine vaccine mandates will be interesting

The more pertinent question to ask is how many of those already vaccinated are ending up in ICUs or dying from COVID infections (hint, its minuscule) VERSUS those who are unvaccinated(overwhelmingly huge) . The CDC and NIH have already declared that it is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

TheRabbit
07-27-21, 16:30
Part of that propaganda is a massive backcount of deaths before non vaccine was available to all on April 15th and not taking into consideration the seasonality of China virus coinciding with the dates the non vaccine vaccine was made available to all.

Current. Happening now: UK and Israel keep a daily running total that show the majority of those hospitalized, critically ill and dead have been vaccinated by the non vaccine:



70.5% of ICU beds in Israel are occupied by the fully non vaccine vaccined.

Of the 108 patients that are in severe / critical conditions:

77 that are fully vaccinated.

31 that are not fully vaccinated.

https://t.me/MOHreport

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m0uNQFqBP513O8tdKPUabC_x-1ChxmmO/view

Last 28 days in the UK:

415 deaths over age of 50.

284 vaxed by non vaccine.

131 unvaxed.

23 k new Delta cases over age of 50:

22,763 of the 23 k vaxed by non vaccine.

2,263 Delta emergency cases admitted over age of 50:1600 vaxed by non vaccine. 663 unvaxed.

Go deep into that data and you'll see Theta variant attacks the young and Lambda variant seems worse of all. Probably heading to US soon. Hurry and get the non vaccine vax that won't help

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1005517/Technical_Briefing_19.pdf

'Although over 85 percent of the population above 16 have received two vaccine doses, Iceland has seen infections spurt with 355 new cases since July 12 creating the largest case count the country has seen since the pandemic began.'

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-iceland-reimposes-covid-restrictions-cases.html

Longer story short. The non vaccine vaccine was for original China virus variant. Maybe it helped, maybe it didn't. Current data shows it doesn't help and may make things worse by depositing spike proteins and their waste on the cell walls of blood vessels and gathering en masse where blood flow is slowest. Train your immune system to kill the needed T cells in your lungs. Soon you'll be told to get a booster, go through new rounds of the non vaccine vaccine. That has been described by the non aligned doctors as Russian Roulette with six bullets Very complex, hard to put into lay mans terms of course, but the 20+ hours of videos linked and the many more out there try. Remember. There was no pre-clinical phase to these non vaccine vaccines. You are the lab rats and rhesus monkeys! Rejoice! The non vaccine vaccines have created 9 pharma billionaires. The billionaires are fully exempt from any and all liability. Resist!I literally just explained that the vast majority of elderly are vaccinated and also the most likely of the vaccinated to die. The third link doesn't make any hard claims about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

None of those links addresses my claim. The claim of "backcounts" is not just unsupported but nonsensical. Reported Covid-19 deaths increased from 604,751 to 606,519, while at the same time vaccinated deaths increased from.

1,141 to 1,768. After arguing at length that the government was and has been inflating death counts, you are now arguing that they were deliberately lowballing earlier death counts so that they can pad recent additional death figures with unvaxxed?

If you are not going to accept official data from official sources, there isn't much point in further discussion. You are just choosing to take the opinions of unqualified conspiracy theorists over the actual experts. At that point you can just go declare that Mt Everest isn't real because you have personally seen it and all pictures might be photoshopped because someone told you so.

Aaron Hamlet
07-27-21, 16:40
The claim of "backcounts" is not just unsupported but nonsensical.



If you are not going to accept official data from official sources, there isn't much point in further discussion. .Yo dumbass. How many were vaccinated with non vaccine on Dec 14 2020 and how many died of China Virus on Dec 14 2020? How many were vaccinated with non vaccine from when first available on Dec 14th to when available to all on Apr 15th? How many died between Dec 14th and Apr 15th?

I agree. There is no point in further discussion so spout your State propaganda to someone else, crawl back inside your Fed Gov cubicle, resist and shut the fuck up you fucking weirdo.

Aaron Hamlet
07-27-21, 16:43
Let me guess, you got the afternoon memo from ButtFinger news? .One post from you talking about testicles and penile tissues immediately followed by one about buttfingers. Get off my timeline you cross dressing, chick with a dick faggot.

Sgt Soros
07-27-21, 16:58
One post from you talking about testicles and penile tissues immediately followed by one about buttfingers. Get off my timeline you cross dressing, chick with a dick faggot.

More empty rhetoric? Is that all you are capable of? Spouting far right, radical, talking points. Have you ever, in your life, thought on your own, then posted something truthful and substantive, with REAL facts to back it up?

Never mind, don't answer, all you could reply with is a resounding NO to all of the above! That would require a degree of humility, truth, and decency, all traits you trump cult members, clearly lack!

Sgt Soros
07-27-21, 17:02
I literally just explained that the vast majority of elderly are vaccinated and also the most likely of the vaccinated to die. The third link doesn't make any hard claims about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

None of those links addresses my claim. The claim of "backcounts" is not just unsupported but nonsensical. Reported Covid-19 deaths increased from 604,751 to 606,519, while at the same time vaccinated deaths increased from.

1,141 to 1,768. After arguing at length that the government was and has been inflating death counts, you are now arguing that they were deliberately lowballing earlier death counts so that they can pad recent additional death figures with unvaxxed?

If you are not going to accept official data from official sources, there isn't much point in further discussion. You are just choosing to take the opinions of unqualified conspiracy theorists over the actual experts. At that point you can just go declare that Mt Everest isn't real because you have personally seen it and all pictures might be photoshopped because someone told you so.
Please ignore this fool. He is not accustomed to dealing with people who do research, fact check, and are capable of debunking trump humping cult members' lies. He may not be a bad person, just a bit challenged intellectually--OR could he be BOTH?

Aaron Hamlet
07-27-21, 17:08
More empty rhetoric? Is that all you are capable of? Spouting far right, radical, talking points. Empty rhetoric? Your post about testicles and penile tissue is immediately followed by one referencing 'buttfingers. '.

You see data and facts as empty rhetoric and/or far right radical talking points?

You're a deviant, aren't you, Sgt. Soros? Something isn't right about you. What is it, very non-passable cross dressing in public, children, kiddie porn, animals, peeping in windows? I'm real close, aren't I? Which one is it?

TheRabbit
07-27-21, 18:00
You see data and facts as empty rhetoric and/or far right radical talking points?

Un-huh the problem with your "data and facts" is that either from extremely unreliable sources or that you tend to out information that help make our case rather than yours.

Sgt Soros
07-27-21, 22:53
You're a deviant, aren't you, Sgt. Soros? Something isn't right about you. What is it, very non-passable cross dressing in public, children, kiddie porn, animals, peeping in windows? I'm real close, aren't I? Which one is it?Please don't flatter yourself. You continue to prove that you are dumber than a box of rocks. Your posts are too mindless to strike ANYBODY's nerve. You are simply one extremely stupid idiot, who continues to post gibberish to get negative attention. Too bad this is the only attention you are getting in your life. But I guess, you are doing the best you can. It’s unfortunate that you must try so hard to reveal your stupidity to a bunch of strangers on a fuck board.

HobbyMan51
07-28-21, 08:58
In this time of virus variants and "surging" cases (a favorite phrase of the media vampires), shouldn't we be asking why the Mensa candidates of Mighty Joe's administration are allowing illegals into this country, maskless, untested, and unvaccinated, and then shipping them to various parts of the country to continue the spread and the lifespan of this oh so convenient to the Democratic Party pandemic? Aside from the Rabbit (No they aren't!) and RogieBoy (You're just a FuckCuck!) and Little Georgie Soros (I am a Marxist God! I am omnipotently correct all of the time!), shouldn't we be seriously asking why this is happening and what is the real intent of an administration that would do such a thing? Discuss, please, if you have the time.And now the Mighty Administration wants us all to wear masks again, even those who have been vaccinated and those who have already had the virus. In short, the citizens of this country. No mention is made of the illegals they allow to come into this country untested, unmasked, and unvaccinated who are then shipped to various places around the country in order to spread the disease even further. No one, NO ONE, commented on what I wrote a few days ago. Are you willing to comment now? As in, WTF is going on? The Three Stooges mentioned above don't know, or care, but we do. Are you still proud of the clueless fuck you voted for and is your president now? Disgraceful, disgusting, and disastrous.

TheRabbit
07-28-21, 13:38
No mention is made of the illegals they allow to come into this country untested, unmasked, and unvaccinated who are then shipped to various places around the country in order to spread the disease even further. No one, NO ONE, commented on what I wrote a few days ago. Are you willing to comment now?We're not interested in talking about conspiracy theories when the op has no "evidence" to back up their insane claims.

HobbyMan51
07-28-21, 13:53
We're not interested in talking about conspiracy theories when the op has no "evidence" to back up their insane claims.This is not a conspiracy theory. This is happening. You may not be interested in talking about a reality that you choose to ignore but most of us, the ones who have common sense and can actually think in a straight line, are. "You" are not "we", regardless of what your terminal narcissism tells you.

Aaron Hamlet
07-28-21, 17:59
You are the lab rat. You are the rhesus monkey. The nine new mRNA non vaccine vaccine pharma billionaires appreciate your sacrifice:

KenDilanianNBC 'New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood, facilitating spread, my NBC News colleagues are reporting. '.

Inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html

Starts at 31:00 but worth watching in it's entirety.

https://youtu.be/pyPjAfNNA-U?t=1860

practicing nurse

https://twitter.com/Constract05/status/1420427803749662724?s=20

Aaron Hamlet
07-28-21, 18:11
This is happening. Of course it's happening. Record number of illegals crossing the border during a pandemic. Only an idiot would argue it's not. 671 new COVID-19 cases reported Monday in Hidalgo County. Adjusted for population that'd be 1,000 new cases in one day in Fulton county who had 282 new cases yesterday which is up from 27 one month ago

'But the numbers are rising so quickly that the City of Laredo has even filed a lawsuit against DHS top officials to try to stop the transfer of migrants who are apprehended in the Rio Grande Valley from being sent to Laredo because they are bringing with them COVID-19, the city's mayor said.

"The reason we filed it is because we were basically at the threshold of entering into a crisis," Laredo Mayor Pete Saenz told Border Report.

https://www.borderreport.com/health/coronavirus/671-new-covid-19-cases-reported-monday-in-hidalgo-county-on-south-texas-border/

TheRabbit
07-28-21, 18:26
Of course it's happening. Record number of illegals crossing the border during a pandemic. Only an idiot would argue it's not. 671 new COVID-19 cases reported Monday in Hidalgo County. Adjusted for population that'd be 1,000 new cases in one day in Fulton county.

'But the numbers are rising so quickly that the City of Laredo has even filed a lawsuit against DHS top officials to try to stop the transfer of migrants who are apprehended in the Rio Grande Valley from being sent to Laredo because they are bringing with them COVID-19, the city's mayor said.

"The reason we filed it is because we were basically at the threshold of entering into a crisis," Laredo Mayor Pete Saenz told Border Report.

https://www.borderreport.com/health/coronavirus/671-new-covid-19-cases-reported-monday-in-hidalgo-county-on-south-texas-border/"Hidalgo County Judge Richard Cortez is scratching his head trying to figure out how to quell the rising coronavirus cases in his South Texas county, which on Monday reported 671 new COVID-19 cases and two deaths.

And Cortez bluntly blames Gov. Greg Abbott for contributing to his frustration because Abbott has relaxed coronavirus regulations statewide, despite high and rising numbers on the border right now.

"It's concerning to me that we're about to begin the school year again and putting all the students back and the governor has taken all of our protocols that were asked to follow to keep from spreading so I don't know what we're going to do," Cortez told Border Report on Monday afternoon after a morning full of meetings with the county's head of Health and Human Services.

"I'm trying to scratch my head and try to figure out what we can do as a county and right now it's under the control of the governor," he said.

"I'm still the emergency manager responsible for the county but he's taken away certain actions that I could have taken in managing the public health problem," Cortez said.

"Currently, non-governmental organizations are testing all migrants who are being released by the Department of Homeland Security in McAllen. Those who test positive are being quarantined in local hotels until they test negative."

Aaron Hamlet
07-28-21, 19:55
"Hidalgo County Judge Richard Cortez is scratching his head trying to figure out how to quell the rising coronavirus cases in his South Texas county, which on Monday reported 671 new COVID-19 cases and two deaths.

And Cortez bluntly blames Gov. Greg Abbott for contributing to his frustration because Abbott has relaxed coronavirus regulations statewide, despite high and rising numbers on the border right now.

"It's concerning to me that we're about to begin the school year again and putting all the students back and the governor has taken all of our protocols that were asked to follow to keep from spreading so I don't know what we're going to do," Cortez told Border Report on Monday afternoon after a morning full of meetings with the county's head of Health and Human Services.

"I'm trying to scratch my head and try to figure out what we can do as a county and right now it's under the control of the governor," he said.

"I'm still the emergency manager responsible for the county but he's taken away certain actions that I could have taken in managing the public health problem," Cortez said.

"Currently, non-governmental organizations are testing all migrants who are being released by the Department of Homeland Security in McAllen. Those who test positive are being quarantined in local hotels until they test negative."I left out D mayor talks about school kids and blames republican gov for letting disease ridden illegals enter the state because it's not true. Abbot lifted mask mandates and lockdowns for citizens and asked for help to stem the flow of China virus carrying illegals crossing the border. And:

'The Officer approached the family and was told by them that they had been apprehended by Border Patrol days prior and were released because they were sick with Covid-19.
It was also learned that the family was housed at the Texas Inn Hotel located at 612 E. Expressway 83 La Joya Tx. 78560, by a charity group.'

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=136818948593958&id=103604225248764

TheRabbit
07-29-21, 08:01
I left out D mayor talks about school kids and blames republican gov for letting disease ridden illegals enter the state because it's not true.Then why did you bother posting that link at all when it mostly talks about and helps make my case rather than yours?

I swear such a obvious case of cherry picking🤣 and besides Mr.Cortez has a lot of credible evidence backing him up.


'The Officer approached the family and was told by them that they had been apprehended by Border Patrol days prior and were released because they were sick with Covid-19.
It was also learned that the family was housed at the Texas Inn Hotel located at 612 E. Expressway 83 La Joya Tx. 78560, by a charity group.'

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=136818948593958&id=103604225248764Facebook the place that's mostly filled with COVID-19 misinformation, no thanks.

Sgt Lurker
08-05-21, 08:55
Why do these crazy LC chicks put their location as everything from McDonough to Woodstock? Do they really think their pu $$why is so worthy we will drive regardless? I mean, if I am looking for companionship on the northside like Canton or Woodstock, I do not want to see ads as far away as McDonough!

Jrody1
08-05-21, 10:42
You are the lab rat. You are the rhesus monkey. The nine new mRNA non vaccine vaccine pharma billionaires appreciate your sacrifice:

KenDilanianNBC 'New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood, facilitating spread, my NBC News colleagues are reporting. '.

Inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html

Starts at 31:00 but worth watching in it's entirety.

https://youtu.be/pyPjAfNNA-U?t=1860

practicing nurse

https://twitter.com/Constract05/status/1420427803749662724?s=20Dam I love the fact people with common sense and do their due diligence exist. Many people are overlooking this and are just blindly taking it. All I'm going to say is this upcoming winter IMO from what I know isn't going to be great. Countless people have been crippled, had strokes, lost their sense of taste and feel and some have passed. Over 17 k deaths in the European countries last time I checked and over 12 k in the USA before the data was altered. Just like always. Just like they altered the data in regards to woman having miscarriages after taking the dam thing. CDC data shows that 84 percent of women who took the dam thing had miscarriages. Some had their baby die after birth.

Not to long ago this happened. Woman who passed is Robin Saunders. Was mandated by her job to take the thing and died 6 days later. There are people dying months later due to blood clots etc. forming in their system. I personally know nurses who work in nearby hospitals who have the shivers. They have had it for months. This woman can not go anywhere without a blanket. She just feels cold and not the same. There are musicians I know who stopped because of nerve damage. Can't play guitar anymore till they recover from the effects.

To top things off. MRNA test were done on lab animals. Almost every single fucking animal died in the MRNA lab test. Let that sink in and now its pushed onto the public but people are to blind and stupid to do research nowadays. Goodbye to the America it once was smfh.

Employers and medical companies are not liable for any side effects or death so that is that. When ever victims of the jab speak out they get shunned etc. If people just knew proper nutrition, exercise and weren't obese etc. Far less people would be consumed. Literally almost 80 percent of all hospitalizations are of people obese or have medical complications. For the blood clots people are getting I wonder if they just ate foods that inhibit that would stop it and cleanse the blood. Like turnip greens I know is good for the bloodstream.

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/07/11/robin-spring-saunders-45-year-old-baltimore-woman-gets-mandatory-mrna-injection-for-employment-dead-six-days-later/

https://newsrescue.com/45-year-old-john-hopkins-hospital-employee-dies-after-mandatory-covid-shot-this-june/

"had accepted an employment position with John Hopkins Hospital. She was a certified medic and was looking forward to working with autistic children at the hospital. Part of the hiring process for Robin however, included a mandatory covid shot. ".

At the end of the day individuals are responsible for themselves. Whatever comes of them is due to their own actions and ignorance. You have some people who had really bad side effects and are like I would take it again if I could go back in time face asses. Like how dumb are these people to get bad side effects etc and still go back in time and take the shit. Retarded. It's funny asf that the majority of hospitalizations are of fully vaxxed people. "I took 2-3 shots of the same vax" face ass and there is more to come with this so called "delta" etc stuff lmao. The ignorant will continue to get the additional shots. What comes of it at this point. I can care less because people refuse to listen till shit gets real and it happens to them or someone they know.

SirDiscreet
08-05-21, 11:53
Dam I love the fact people with common sense and do their due diligence exist. Many people are overlooking this and are just blindly taking it. All I'm going to say is this upcoming winter IMO from what I know isn't going to be great. Countless people have been crippled, had strokes, lost their sense of taste and feel and some have passed. Over 17 k deaths in the European countries last time I checked and over 12 k in the USA before the data was altered. Just like always. Just like they altered the data in regards to woman having miscarriages after taking the dam thing. CDC data shows that 84 percent of women who took the dam thing had miscarriages. Some had their baby die after birth.

Not to long ago this happened. Woman who passed is Robin Saunders. Was mandated by her job to take the thing and died 6 days later. There are people dying months later due to blood clots etc. forming in their system. I personally know nurses who work in nearby hospitals who have the shivers. They have had it for months. This woman can not go anywhere without a blanket. She just feels cold and not the same. There are musicians I know who stopped because of nerve damage. Can't play guitar anymore till they recover from the effects.

To top things off. MRNA test were done on lab animals. Almost every single fucking animal died in the MRNA lab test. Let that sink in and now its pushed onto the public but people are to blind and stupid to do research nowadays. Goodbye to the America it once was smfh.

Employers and medical companies are not liable for any side effects or death so that is that. When ever victims of the jab speak out they get shunned etc. If people just knew proper nutrition, exercise and weren't obese etc. Far less people would be consumed. Literally almost 80 percent of all hospitalizations are of people obese or have medical complications. For the blood clots people are getting I wonder if they just ate foods that inhibit that would stop it and cleanse the blood. Like turnip greens I know is good for the bloodstream.This is as big a pile of rubbish that I may have ever wasted a minute reading.

So here's my challenge to you, show one CDC release supporting this statement you attribute to them.

"CDC data shows that 84 percent of women who took the dam thing had miscarriages. Some had their baby die after birth. "

I'll even place a $1 k wager you're full of shit on this single point alone.

Easy money right? I'll wait for your "facts" to prove me wrong.

Airmantroy
08-05-21, 12:59
To top things off. MRNA test were done on lab animals. Almost every single fucking animal died in the MRNA lab test. Let that sink in and now its pushed onto the public but people are to blind and stupid to do research nowadays. Goodbye to the America it once was smfh..I'd love to read this "fact" for myself and since google is useless a link would be most appreciated.

Game Cock Too
08-05-21, 13:34
Dam I love the fact people with common sense and do their due diligence exist. Many people are overlooking this and are just blindly taking it. All I'm going to say is this upcoming winter IMO from what I know isn't going to be great. Countless people have been crippled, had strokes, lost their sense of taste and feel and some have passed. Over 17 k deaths in the European countries last time I checked and over 12 k in the USA before the data was altered. Just like always. Just like they altered the data in regards to woman having miscarriages after taking the dam thing. CDC data shows that 84 percent of women who took the dam thing had miscarriages. Some had their baby die after birth.

Not to long ago this happened. Woman who passed is Robin Saunders. Was mandated by her job to take the thing and died 6 days later. There are people dying months later due to blood clots etc. forming in their system. I personally know nurses who work in nearby hospitals who have the shivers. They have had it for months. This woman can not go anywhere without a blanket. She just feels cold and not the same. There are musicians I know who stopped because of nerve damage. Can't play guitar anymore till they recover from the effects.

To top things off. MRNA test were done on lab animals. Almost every single fucking animal died in the MRNA lab test. Let that sink in and now its pushed onto the public but people are to blind and stupid to do research nowadays. Goodbye to the America it once was smfh.

Employers and medical companies are not liable for any side effects or death so that is that. When ever victims of the jab speak out they get shunned etc. If people just knew proper nutrition, exercise and weren't obese etc. Far less people would be consumed. Literally almost 80 percent of all hospitalizations are of people obese or have medical complications. For the blood clots people are getting I wonder if they just ate foods that inhibit that would stop it and cleanse the blood. Like turnip greens I know is good for the bloodstream.Can we be responsible for ourselves and others? Children? Those who are immunosuppressed? When I was in Japan, it was common to see individuals who were wearing mask in public, either to protect themselves or others during the cold and flu seasons. The debate about this vaccine can go on forever. They are some who are still debating the vaccines that we were administered almost 50 years ago as kids. Here are the facts:

1. Everyone will die one day.

2. There is NO perfect medication. They all have a Side Effect profile.

3. Our FDA is the most strict and best in the world.

4. New flu vaccines are approved and given every year.

5. No vaccine is 100% efficacious. No medication is 100% efficacious. No medication is 100% safe and effective for every individual that receives it.

6. Both Trump and Biden are vaccinated.

Medical companies ARE liable for sides effects and deaths. I worked in the pharmaceutical industry for 15+ years and during that time, we had one product that went to market and within 4-6 months the FDA made us pull it from the market because some older patients that took it died. Even though most of these deaths were from patients who were taking multiple medications, they still pulled the product. We had several products that we worked on for years denied approval by our FDA, yet we were able to sell the product in other countries. We were also fined almost $1 billion, so our FDA is probably credible most of the time, looking out for our best interest. Who else are you going to trust?

Regarding the COVID vaccine, the final jury is still out, IMHO. What I do know is that even though about half the population has taken it, some people may die or have issues after taking it, just like after taking a chemotherapeutic agent. Nothing is this world is perfect. I also know that over 600,000 people have died from COVID in the United States. I work with surgeons everyday and about 5-10% are unvaccinated. So there you go. Do your own research with information from credible, peer reviewed, respected medical sources and not one off, isolated websites or blog. Then, make your own health-related decisions.

I don't know about you guys, but I will usually have at least two colds every year. Currently, I haven't been ill in over 2 years. Coincidence? Maybe. I will say, if a pollen vaccine ever becomes available, I will be the first in line.

Jrody1
08-05-21, 22:55
This is as big a pile of rubbish that I may have ever wasted a minute reading.

So here's my challenge to you, show one CDC release supporting this statement you attribute to them.

"CDC data shows that 84 percent of women who took the dam thing had miscarriages. Some had their baby die after birth. "

I'll even place a $1 k wager you're full of shit on this single point alone.

Easy money right? I'll wait for your "facts" to prove me wrong.


I'd love to read this "fact" for myself and since google is useless a link would be most appreciated.


Can we be responsible for ourselves and others? Children? Those who are immunosuppressed? When I was in Japan, it was common to see individuals who were wearing mask in public, either to protect themselves or others during the cold and flu seasons. The debate about this vaccine can go on forever. They are some who are still debating the vaccines that we were administered almost 50 years ago as kids. Here are the facts:

1. Everyone will die one day.The ignorant never cease to amaze me. You don't know how to use the internet? Bruh this shit is public information. Learn to use other search engines when google censors and shuns certain articles because it doesn't go with their agenda.

IDGAF what you hear or say about Trump and Bobo Biden. I can care less about these people claiming to take so and so when they don't. Its literally placebo if you don't know anything about that. It was also reported people were being injected with saline injections LOL. PLACEBO. Why'll never had a set of lab rats to test on? LOL. Literally nowadays its information vs information. Got fake news and shit and people still believe it.

Do your homework like fucking adults. If your to lazy to do proper research and do your due diligence. That is your problem.

In the test phase on pregnant for women in their first or third trimester there were 127 women who received the vaccine. Of those 127 who were pregnant. Had a fucking miscarriage. What is 104 divided by 127? 80+ percent. YOUR WELCOME. A portion of test subjects adhere to a set of requirements. I am focused on the first trimester women who had the vaccine and had a miscarriage. Find the facts yourself.

Here is an article: https://thegoodlylawfulsociety.org/huge-red-flag-medical-researchers-bury-data-showing-82-miscarriage-rate-in-mrna-vaccinated-women/.

Here is the abstract of the test subjects. If you know how to read it https://perma.cc/J33H-R6ZK.

When they say "spontaneous abortion" they actually mean miscarriage LOL. Other wise know as an early pregnancy loss of a woman whom is pregnant. Medical jargon. Maybe do some research on spike proteins etc on how they cause infertility as well. Stop looking to fake news resources for shit. Sheesh even fake news is trying to correct doctors and shit. Like bruh when in the world did the news have precedent over facts, logic and actual doctors who tell the truth.

"you're going to die anyway" WTF excuse is that. Someone might as well come to the conclusion "I might as well kill myself" because eventually all things die. Retarded view on life. You have nothing to live for if that is how you think. No one wants to die young or early etc.

The proper time frame for a vaccine to be tested thoroughly to know the long term effects etc. is at least 7 years. This thing is out and has already caused so many deaths. It has consumed more people than all other FDA approved vaccines available on the market. COMBINED! Goodness gracious. You want to take it. Go right on ahead. I can careless LOL.

Good grief. Medical companies ARE NOT responsible for death etc. LOL. Seriously? Out of all the people who have had side effects, been crippled and death. What did these families and individuals get in aide? NOTHING. The proof is right in your face and its been like this for decades. There are even articles out there about this LOL.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

Here is the law:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

"No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine" . In fine print.

I'm out LOL. To much stupidity. From laws to case studies that can be found proving my fucking points.

Bullett64
08-06-21, 09:21
The ignorant never cease to amaze me..

Here is an article: https://thegoodlylawfulsociety.org/huge-red-flag-medical-researchers-bury-data-showing-82-miscarriage-rate-in-mrna-vaccinated-women/.
.Before you call others ignorant, please take a critical look at what you are using to support your position. The Goodly Lawful Society is a right-wing, religious organization with little credibility.

Some of their current headlines include:

"Proof Trump Is Still Commander-In-Chief".

"Military Executes Tom Hanks".

"Military Is On Action Former President Biden Get Arrested" (sic).

COVID is a serious issue. It deserves a serious discussion. This isn't it.

RedneckStud
08-06-21, 10:02
The ignorant never cease to amaze me. You don't know how to use the internet? Bruh this shit is public information. Learn to use other search engines when google censors and shuns certain articles because it doesn't go with their agenda.

IDGAF what you hear or say about Trump and Bobo Biden. I can care less about these people claiming to take so and so when they don't. Its literally placebo if you don't know anything about that. It was also reported people were being injected with saline injections LOL. PLACEBO. Why'll never had a set of lab rats to test on? LOL. Literally nowadays its information vs information. Got fake news and shit and people still believe it.

Do your homework like fucking adults. If your to lazy to do proper research and do your due diligence. That is your problem.

In the test phase on pregnant for women in their first or third trimester there were 127 women who received the vaccine. Of those 127 who were pregnant. Had a fucking miscarriage. What is 104 divided by 127? 80+ percent. YOUR WELCOME. A portion of test subjects adhere to a set of requirements. I am focused on the first trimester women who had the vaccine and had a miscarriage. Find the facts yourself.

Here is an article: https://thegoodlylawfulsociety.org/huge-red-flag-medical-researchers-bury-data-showing-82-miscarriage-rate-in-mrna-vaccinated-women/.

Here is the abstract of the test subjects. If you know how to read it https://perma.cc/J33H-R6ZK.

When they say "spontaneous abortion" they actually mean miscarriage LOL. Other wise know as an early pregnancy loss of a woman whom is pregnant. Medical jargon. Maybe do some research on spike proteins etc on how they cause infertility as well. Stop looking to fake news resources for shit. Sheesh even fake news is trying to correct doctors and shit. Like bruh when in the world did the news have precedent over facts, logic and actual doctors who tell the truth.

"you're going to die anyway" WTF excuse is that. Someone might as well come to the conclusion "I might as well kill myself" because eventually all things die. Retarded view on life. You have nothing to live for if that is how you think. No one wants to die young or early etc.

The proper time frame for a vaccine to be tested thoroughly to know the long term effects etc. is at least 7 years. This thing is out and has already caused so many deaths. It has consumed more people than all other FDA approved vaccines available on the market. COMBINED! Goodness gracious. You want to take it. Go right on ahead. I can careless LOL.

Good grief. Medical companies ARE NOT responsible for death etc. LOL. Seriously? Out of all the people who have had side effects, been crippled and death. What did these families and individuals get in aide? NOTHING. The proof is right in your face and its been like this for decades. There are even articles out there about this LOL.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

Here is the law:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

"No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine" . In fine print.

I'm out LOL. To much stupidity. From laws to case studies that can be found proving my fucking points.The Goodly Lawful Society is your source? Why don't you just use posts on Twitter for your citations?

SirDiscreet
08-06-21, 10:06
All these words and you prove nothing. You wasted my time & yours name calling and linking to garbage.

So again, where's the study from the CDC about vaccine related miscarriages? They make findings public on their very own website, should be easy enough for you to find.

Easy $1 k, just provide evidentiary findings from the CDC to supports your comment to be factual.

Don't tell me to do my homework, you're making the statements of fact, now prove one.

Also, it's "too lazy". But a guy that's all about "due diligence" probably knows that.


The ignorant never cease to amaze me. You don't know how to use the internet? Bruh this shit is public information. Learn to use other search engines when google censors and shuns certain articles because it doesn't go with their agenda.

IDGAF what you hear or say about Trump and Bobo Biden. I can care less about these people claiming to take so and so when they don't. Its literally placebo if you don't know anything about that. It was also reported people were being injected with saline injections LOL. PLACEBO. Why'll never had a set of lab rats to test on? LOL. Literally nowadays its information vs information. Got fake news and shit and people still believe it.

Do your homework like fucking adults. If your to lazy to do proper research and do your due diligence. That is your problem.

In the test phase on pregnant for women in their first or third trimester there were 127 women who received the vaccine. Of those 127 who were pregnant. Had a fucking miscarriage. What is 104 divided by 127? 80+ percent. YOUR WELCOME. A portion of test subjects adhere to a set of requirements. I am focused on the first trimester women who had the vaccine and had a miscarriage. Find the facts yourself.

SirDiscreet
08-06-21, 10:11
The ignorant never cease to amaze me. You don't know how to use the internet? Bruh this shit is public information.

I'm out LOL. To much stupidity. From laws to case studies that can be found proving my fucking points.From your very own linked article:

"CONCLUSIONS.

Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. ".

Oh, and it's "too much stupidity", but again you're the smart one in these exchanges.

Jrody1
08-06-21, 10:15
The Goodly Lawful Society is your source? Why don't you just use posts on Twitter for your citations?Dude are you this stupid?? I just linked the abstract to the whole study of pregnant women. I just stated what matters I the first trimester pregnancies. Dumb as fuck bruh. You have no argument so you just try and bash the news article I linked but nothing to state about the actual abstract I linked which literally has the same information. When a woman gets pregnant. Where do they start?? 5 months pregnant or some shit? NO. Use common sense. Only 13 women delivered their babies who took the vaccine during their first trimester. We don't know if these babies turned out defective or whatever. All we know is that 13 of 127 women delivered. That is it. 104 miscarriages. Fucking your feelings and embrace the fucking facts.

Game Cock Too
08-06-21, 11:47
The ignorant never cease to amaze me. You don't know how to use the internet? Bruh this shit is public information. Learn to use other search engines when google censors and shuns certain articles because it doesn't go with their agenda.

IDGAF what you hear or say about Trump and Bobo Biden. I can care less about these people claiming to take so and so when they don't. Its literally placebo if you don't know anything about that. It was also reported people were being injected with saline injections LOL. PLACEBO. Why'll never had a set of lab rats to test on? LOL. Literally nowadays its information vs information. Got fake news and shit and people still believe it.

Do your homework like fucking adults. If your to lazy to do proper research and do your due diligence. That is your problem.

In the test phase on pregnant for women in their first or third trimester there were 127 women who received the vaccine. Of those 127 who were pregnant. Had a fucking miscarriage. What is 104 divided by 127? 80+ percent. YOUR WELCOME. A portion of test subjects adhere to a set of requirements. I am focused on the first trimester women who had the vaccine and had a miscarriage. Find the facts yourself.

Here is an article: https://thegoodlylawfulsociety.org/huge-red-flag-medical-researchers-bury-data-showing-82-miscarriage-rate-in-mrna-vaccinated-women/.

Here is the abstract of the test subjects. If you know how to read it https://perma.cc/J33H-R6ZK.

When they say "spontaneous abortion" they actually mean miscarriage LOL. Other wise know as an early pregnancy loss of a woman whom is pregnant. Medical jargon. Maybe do some research on spike proteins etc on how they cause infertility as well. Stop looking to fake news resources for shit. Sheesh even fake news is trying to correct doctors and shit. Like bruh when in the world did the news have precedent over facts, logic and actual doctors who tell the truth.So, all of your references and links are factual and ours are bogus? Anyone can create a website and spew pretty much what they want to say and write. And for clarification.

"No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a FDA APPROVED vaccine", and these vaccines.

Have NOT received approval, or have they? If you have never worked within a pharma company or medical company, find facts. There's tons of work to bring a compound to market, maybe it takes seven years, maybe it doesn't. In regards to all medications, a manufacturer (and physician) CAN be held liable, especially if adverse events aren't reported or reported properly, or a component / chemical within the making of the drug has been altered, which is why you'll see a Lot number of every pharmaceutical, which helps track production of medications. I could go on, but bottom line, I know my sh*t!

What I said was " We're all going to die one day", which to me, is different from, "you're going to die anyway". Maybe the phrasing means the same thing to some. What I could have said was, medications, drunk driving, reckless behavior, and a jealous partner who found you using the SB site can ALL cause death, but no one knows when that day will come. No one wants to die early, but some do and take their own lives.

Our FDA is pretty damn good. I guess you forgot that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was pulled from the market right away when patients suffered morbidities or mortality. Do you not think that if spontaneous abortions were occurring at the rates your link states, that the other vaccines wouldn't be pulled from use as well? BTW, the medical school libraries have tons of old and recent peer reviewed clinical data and journal articles, based on facts and clinical trials AND they're open to the public.

Bullett64
08-06-21, 13:42
Dude are you this stupid?? I just linked the abstract to the whole study of pregnant women. I just stated what matters I the first trimester pregnancies. Dumb as fuck bruh. You have no argument so you just try and bash the news article I linked but nothing to state about the actual abstract I linked which literally has the same information. When a woman gets pregnant. Where do they start?? 5 months pregnant or some shit? NO. Use common sense. Only 13 women delivered their babies who took the vaccine during their first trimester. We don't know if these babies turned out defective or whatever. All we know is that 13 of 127 women delivered. That is it. 104 miscarriages. Fucking your feelings and embrace the fucking facts.I'm all for common sense. Here is some you might enjoy:

https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9EZ9KQ-6

Jrody1
08-06-21, 14:34
From your very own linked article:

"CONCLUSIONS.

Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. ".

Oh, and it's "too much stupidity", but again you're the smart one in these exchanges.If you know nothing about abstracts and the semantics within. Please shut. The. Fuck. Up. But you're entitled to your own opinion. "let me knit pick a portion of a whole entire study on pregnant women. Boomshakalaka" face ass. The fuck? Oh my gosh you got me man. You destroyed the precedent that I presented based on a group study with no facts. So smart. ROFL. The facts are in your face and you look for something to dismiss it like a dumbass. Your just making yourself look like a dam fool in my eyes. Did I mention spike proteins. What do they do? Just do factually based research. Not going to spoon feed you facts and baby anyone's ass cheeks. Want to remain ignorant? Do so. Nothing is new under the sun. Take the information or leave it. Don't be surprised about anything LOL. I guess you want a bigger resource pool of women in their first trimester willing to sacrifice the life of their baby at this point. Real life use case.

I provided a screenshot of a pregnant woman who had a miscarriage. She took the vaccine almost one month prior to when her baby was delivered. Baby is DEAD. Welcome to reality. Tarado de mierda jaja.

Recently a 22 year old French man died a few hours after taking the dam thing LOL. 22 year old who had a lot ahead of him. College girl not to long ago died a few months later after taking it. Fuck out of here with all the bullshit. Facts have no regards for your feelings. Fuck your feelings. Like it or not. You must believe in delta etc variants. Is there a test kit etc for delta out? NOPE. How do they know an individual has delta? Oh yeah there are no test kits. Use some logic. LOL same shit is happening. I mean there is a "pandemic" and "overwhelmed hospitals". "Deadliest" ever. However they lay off nurses by the dozens because there is literally NO WORK. So they put nurses on unemployment. LMFAO. Not enough patients. Why'all don't know jack shit what is really going on. Just keep watching your dam CNN and shit. Live in your alternate reality of believe fake news, social media, celebrities and politicians. Nurses, doctors etc don't even know the real difference between covid and the delta variant. Why? Mhmmmm. Yet they'll claim so and so has it. Don't question anything just follow blindly like a dam sheep. People gobble this shit up like dumbasses. Still fall for the same stuff. Sheeple will always be sheep.

Here is an example of someone currently living with nerve damage and side effects. Gorgeous woman who just got married not to long ago named Dominique in NC. Her IG is queencitydom.

Here is a YouTube video of her. Used to walk. All energetic and shit and is now in a dam wheelchair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwlHNHYD_c&ab_channel=i_Stand_On_ThatTV

Article about her:

https://www.newswars.com/devastating-woman-documents-seizures-following-covid-vaccine/

You can follow her on the IG I mentioned to see more. Thousands have had the same shit. Remain dumb and ignorant to the facts and reality LOL.

There is a guy in New York who was bashing people over not taking the vaccine. You can't make this shit up bruh. He just kept talking smack on Facebook. He then took the vaccine himself and died days later after multiple strokes caused by the vaccine. You can not make this shit up LMFAO. Sometimes an individual's arrogance and ignorance is their down fall ya know LOL. FYI all data that is out is under reported in regards to reactions etc.

I'll reiterate. In 6 months more people have died from this covid mrna "vaccine" than in 20 yrs of every single FDA approved vaccine given in America.

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself. ".

Favorite classic quote that I'll always live by is:

"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority. ".

Booker T. Washington.

Adios Pendejos. Chomp it out.

Bullett64
08-07-21, 09:57
"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself..You are living proof of this.

SirDiscreet
08-09-21, 07:42
If you know nothing about abstracts and the semantics within. Please shut. The. Fuck. Up. But you're entitled to your own opinion. "let me knit pick a portion of a whole entire study on pregnant women. Boomshakalaka" face ass. The fuck? Oh my gosh you got me man. You destroyed the precedent that I presented based on a group study with no facts. So smart. ROFL. You drunk?

So, should I "shut the fuck up" or am I entitled to my own opinion? (If you're going to contradict yourself, it's better not to do it in back to back comments).

Oh, and it's "nitpick", unless you're working on an afghan.

All things considered, you seemed to have mastered middle school name calling and texting acronyms.

Understanding science, data analysis, reasoning, common sense. There's still some work to do.

Bullett64
08-09-21, 08:32
A woman recently lost her child thirty days after getting the Covid vaccine. This is a tragic event and I deeply sympathize with her loss. However, I have seen no evidence that directly relates the two events other than her parents said it must be true. It is intellectually bankrupt to create a cause and effect relationship between the two events without all the factors involved. What else happened in her life that might have caused this tragedy? Did anything at all happen? After all, miscarriages are a fact of life and can frequently never be attributed to ANY specific reason. My wife had three of them before we were able to have a child. That was years before Covid even existed. So what do I blame?

Two men in Atlanta were hit by a train and killed recently. If they had their vaccines two weeks earlier was it the vaccine that killed them or the train?

This is serious stuff and people's lives are in the balance. Spewing abject bullshit is not helping. If you have a serious, science-backed fact to share with the world, please be my guest. If, however, you are passing on something you read on LooneyTunes.com, please consider the source before you introduce it to other people as gullible as you are. Their lives depend on it.

Bullett64
08-09-21, 08:54
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/get-the-vaccine-28-year-old-atlanta-man-who-died-of-covid-19-has-heartbreaking-last-message/ar-AAN58S7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Here is one conspiracy theory believer who changed his mind. But too late. Please don't be the next one.

Game Cock Too
08-09-21, 16:56
A woman recently lost her child thirty days after getting the Covid vaccine. This is a tragic event and I deeply sympathize with her loss. However, I have seen no evidence that directly relates the two events other than her parents said it must be true. It is intellectually bankrupt to create a cause and effect relationship between the two events without all the factors involved. What else happened in her life that might have caused this tragedy? Did anything at all happen? After all, miscarriages are a fact of life and can frequently never be attributed to ANY specific reason. My wife had three of them before we were able to have a child. That was years before Covid even existed. So what do I blame?

Two men in Atlanta were hit by a train and killed recently. If they had their vaccines two weeks earlier was it the vaccine that killed them or the train?

This is serious stuff and people's lives are in the balance. Spewing abject bullshit is not helping. If you have a serious, science-backed fact to share with the world, please be my guest. If, however, you are passing on something you read on LooneyTunes.com, please consider the source before you introduce it to other people as gullible as you are. Their lives depend on it.Info gets turned and twisted. It's up to us to try and find the truth and then share it, but you can't make others accept it, regardless of how true it may be.

When I saw the 82% miscarriage rate, I had to read the paper. Here is what I found in the NEJM:

35,691 vaccinated pregnant women. 3,958 volunteered to participate in the V-safe Pregnancy Registry, which included:

1,132 women vaccinated in the 1st trimester.

1,714 women vaccinated in the 2nd trimester.

1,019 women vaccinated in the 3rd trimester.

Among 827 women who completed a pregnancy, 700 women received their first dose in the 3rd trimester. The author from (www.thegoodlylawfulsociety.org) the googly site states that, since 827 women were in the 3rd trimester group, the remaining 127 women are from the 1st trimester group. Could the be from the 1st and 2nd trimester groups? Maybe. His math IS correct, in that, 104 women of 127 women had spontaneous abortions (82%) in the 1st trimester group, BUT that is only from 127 women who wanted to participated, not of the total 1,132 women in the 1st trimester vaccinated group. It's like saying: I am going to shoot 100 free throws. On the first 10 shots I make 8 of them (80% But on the next 90 shots I make 40 of them. Do I need to consider the other 90 shots? It looks like I'm just a 48% free throw shooter. Table 4 of the NEJM paper states that incidences that occurred within the pregnant vaccinated women are similar to the published data of pregnant women.

For the record, it's extremely hard to get patient follow-ups, especially if nothing serious occurs.

ILoveHo
08-09-21, 19:50
The only solid fact I can gather about vaccine is that after vaccine is available, the death rate is way down, not only in USA, but in all countries that have the vaccines. This is the only statistics I believe in, the other assumptions by lots of people are all influenced by bias and beliefs.

Bullett64
08-15-21, 10:11
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

A somewhat lengthy, well-reasoned, unemotional article on where we are in the COVID pandemic and what the future will look like.

Its NOT for the right-wing Looney Tunes crowd.

I Luv Emall
08-15-21, 11:45
That article is not well-reasoned at all, and I'm not a right-wing looney tune. The article is full of holes and comes at everything with the supposition that vaccines are the answer, but provides no supporting evidence to prove those assumptions. Merely making statements as facts doesn't make them so, although I admit most people are gullible enough to accept that. I got halfway through the article before deciding it wasn't even worth reading, because it's so full of false statements and assertions that it wasn't worth wasting more time on. I think you're a reasonable person, so I say this in that spirit, but I think you really should do some further research and data mining, including studying data from other countries, and I think it will be clear why I'm making the statements I do above.

I'll give you just a couple quick examples- the article gives all the credit for the decline of the Covid rates to the vaccination campaign. There's absolutely no evidence to support that, and that can be seen by examining the data from other countries where vaccinations did not take place, and similar declines happened as well. Now that the rates are rising, he excuses the vaccines by saying, oh well, things have changed. So the vaccines get all the credit when things are going well, but are excused when things are not going well. They can't lose! The vaccines may have merits, as well as problems, but let's discuss those honestly, instead of trying to censor everything and create such a one-sided narrative toward the ever-so-obvious end game of forced vaccinations that could be seen coming a mile away. Why are we not talking about why 12 of the 13 most highly-vaccinated countries are on the do not travel lsits, and have some of the highest rates right now? Why is no one talking about the disastrous situation in India anymore? Could it be that because India, with its 7% vaccination rate, has seen Covid case and death rates plunge by 90%? Oh, I guess they can't credit that to the vaccines, so they'd rather not talk about it. Don't you see something wrong with the censoring of information that is going on? Only the information that supports the narrative is being presented. That is not science, and that is not the way we will learn.

Another example of inaccuracy in the article is the 95% hospitalization being made up of unvaccinated. These numbers stand in harsh contrast to numbers being released from other countries, and simply were not believable. Sure enough, CDC director Walensky admits she was distorting this number by using outdated data from January-June of this year, knowing full well that vaccinations didn't even start taking place for the majority of that time frame!

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/doctor-did-early-research-covid-035801303.html

That is outright lying by omission, and I don't see how anyone can believe anything this administration says. There are many more examples of things like this- they do it over and over and over to further their agenda.

The article also makes incorrect assertions about the vaccines and the transmissibility of Covid. Shockingly, I even heard Fauci himself admit that the vaccinated could carry as high or even higher viral loads of Covid as the unvaccinated on Face the Nation, and this is why they were going back (once again) to the mask recommendations for the vaccinated. Of course, in the next breath, he contradicted himself (once again) and said everyone needs to get vaccinated to help stop the spread of the virus. This is really not new news, by the way. It's been known all along these vaccines were never designed for immunity, but only for symptomatic relief, and would therefore not prevent the spread. This is why it was so ignorant, irresponsible, and wreckless of the administration to further their agenda with their "pandemic of the unvaccinated" message. I called it out at the time, and it was proven to be true, and they had to eat crow shortly after that, admitting the vaccinated were spreading COVID. But Soros, Rabbit, etc. Blindly followed the brainwashing and party line, simply because it was the party line and they're too feeble-minded to think for themselves. Never mind that this message that the vaccinated were special and immune was total BS, and they knew it, and knew they were spreading Covid to people and risking lives. No, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, that's not important so long as we push our vaccine agenda at all costs, lives included!

Oh, by the way, regarding our tiny-brained president (and his like-minded followers like Soros) who like to denigrate the unvaccinated, I think this study from Carnegie-Mellon showing the most highly-educated are the most vaccine-resistant, will blow what's left of his mind:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full

This administration has lost all credibility, and is the biggest bunch of liars since Cheney / Wolfowitz / Pearle. Biden is probably even more ignorant and a bigger dupe than Bush was. They are the biggest threat to our civil liberties in our lifetime. I hope the American people wake up, but I fear there's far too much apathy and ignorance.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

A somewhat lengthy, well-reasoned, unemotional article on where we are in the COVID pandemic and what the future will look like.

Its NOT for the right-wing Looney Tunes crowd.

Aaron Hamlet
08-15-21, 15:14
Its NOT for the right-wing Looney Tunes crowd.Vaccine hesitancy in the US by education levels shows those with a PHD are the most hesitant. By race, it's blacks and Hispanics. Are PHD's, blacks and Hispanics who you refer to as the 'right-wing Looney Tunes crowd' or do you need to fine tune your prejudices?

Bullett64
08-15-21, 15:27
Another example of inaccuracy in the article is the 95% hospitalization being made up of unvaccinated. These numbers stand in harsh contrast to numbers being released from other countries, and simply were not believable.

This administration has lost all credibility, and is the biggest bunch of liars since Cheney / Wolfowitz / Pearle. Biden is probably even more ignorant and a bigger dupe than Bush was. They are the biggest threat to our civil liberties in our lifetime. I hope the American people wake up, but I fear there's far too much apathy and ignorance.Other countries. Which other countries? Ones with similar geopolitical makeup to us or isolated Scandinavian countries with population densities that minimize virus density just by their remoteness? Or Myanmar, which has had no infections at all. Because they said so.

Don't draw your conclusions after comparing apples and pickup trucks?

Any list of liars that doesn't begin with Donald Trump shows your true colors. I sincerely hope that you come through this pandemic in good health. I also hope that you feel some responsibility to those who will not after they read the dangerous "facts" you so loosely toss out.

Bullett64
08-15-21, 15:36
Vaccine hesitancy in the US by education levels shows those with a PHD are the most hesitant. By race, it's blacks and Hispanics. Are PHD's, blacks and Hispanics who you refer to as the 'right-wing Looney Tunes crowd' or do you need to fine tune your prejudices?I don't recall ever mentioning vaccine hesitancy. I offered an article that I believe the" right-wing Looney Tunes crowd" would either object to or not understand. I stand by that. I also think a PhD should be able to read the report and make intelligent conclusions about it. If they remain vaccine hesitant, then I will gladly defer to their personal choices, misguided as I think they will prove to be.

By jumping in with both feet over vaccine hesitancy, I am guessing that you didn't bother to read it.

I did try to save you the effort.

Niteluvr
08-15-21, 17:23
Vaccine hesitancy in the US by education levels shows those with a PHD are the most hesitant. I can't imagine any Ph. D that I know who would be opposed to the vaccine, especially any in a health care field. "Most" of them are intelligent people, from what I've experienced. Did the article mention why the doctorate crowd is allegedly so hesitant? I understand the reasons for the Black and Hispanic crowd, but the former group makes no sense.

Aaron Hamlet
08-15-21, 17:42
I don't recall ever mentioning vaccine hesitancy. I also think a PhD should be able to read the report and make intelligent conclusions about it. If they remain vaccine hesitant, then I will gladly defer to their personal choices

By jumping in with both feet over vaccine hesitancy, I am guessing that you didn't bother to read it.

I did try to save you the effort.You don't recall mentioning vaccine hesitancy but a PHD should be able to read the 'report' written by a 'science journalist you linked and make intelligent conclusions re vaccine hesitancy? How does that work?

I don't read the Atlantic. Why would I? Why would anybody? A magazine that lost $20m last year and on pace to lose same this year is obviously not a viable product. But is 70% owned by Steve Jobs widow who can afford to lose $20 m per year for 200 years before going broke. I'm sure helping us useless eaters are where her loyalties are

You're approx. 70 years old and suffer from pre-existing conditions which put you in a high risk CCP Virus mortality group. But for us Americans who are younger and healthier than you, mind your own business, don't tell us to be a guinea pig for big pharma or wear an useless mask. Don't insinuate you're more intelligent or more informed. You're not. You're just scared and more at risk then 99% of population. Maybe you should stay at home. Best of luck to you.

Bullett64
08-15-21, 19:20
You're approx. 70 years old and suffer from pre-existing conditions which put you in a high risk CCP Virus mortality group.Which is the per-existing condition, my new knee or my old knee? The old one no longer exists and the new one isn't a condition.

But if it really concerns you, I have been vaccinated and will be one of the first in line when and if a booster is recommended. I wear a mask in crowded places so that I do not pass the virus to others and to minimize me inhaling it from those who do not. And yes, I realize that the pores in the mask are bigger than the actual virus, but I am intelligent enough to know that the virus does not travel by itself, but attached to (mostly) water vapor molecules which are big enough for the mask to stop. I wash my hands frequently. I lead an active, healthy life style, although my golf game currently sucks, and plan on doing so for many more years to come. When it comes to the health and safety of those people I come into contact with, my conscience is clear and I sleep well.

Sgt Lurker
08-16-21, 09:09
Polio, Mumps, Rubella, and like have vaccines. You get the vaccine then the odds of getting the disease is infinitesimal. The flu shot is not a vaccine because their are still great odds of getting the flu. This Covid is a shot and not a vaccine because as we all see, people can and do still get the disease. It is all part of Big Pharma and Government propaganda. Not saying whether people should or should not get it, just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of what many are being fed and happily are swallowing.


You don't recall mentioning vaccine hesitancy but a PHD should be able to read the 'report' written by a 'science journalist you linked and make intelligent conclusions re vaccine hesitancy? How does that work?

I don't read the Atlantic. Why would I? Why would anybody? A magazine that lost $20m last year and on pace to lose same this year is obviously not a viable product. But is 70% owned by Steve Jobs widow who can afford to lose $20 m per year for 200 years before going broke. I'm sure helping us useless eaters are where her loyalties are

You're approx. 70 years old and suffer from pre-existing conditions which put you in a high risk CCP Virus mortality group. But for us Americans who are younger and healthier than you, mind your own business, don't tell us to be a guinea pig for big pharma or wear an useless mask. Don't insinuate you're more intelligent or more informed. You're not. You're just scared and more at risk then 99% of population. Maybe you should stay at home. Best of luck to you.

I Luv Emall
08-16-21, 09:33
I gave you plenty of examples, if you'd bothered to read. Like I told you, broaden your horizons a little. If you do, you'll see lots of contrasting data coming from countries throughout Europe, India, Israel, and all around the world that don't fit the nice little vaccine narrative.

Why does everything have to revolve around Trump for you guys? You guys keep immortalizing him, and just can't let him go, can you? I guess you really miss him that badly. Be careful what you wish for.

I couldn't help but notice you never disputed any of my facts. I hope you feel some responsibility for the reported deaths from the COVID vaccines which in 7 months have eclipsed those of all other vaccines for the last 30 years combined, according to the VAERS data reported by the CDC.


Other countries. Which other countries? Ones with similar geopolitical makeup to us or isolated Scandinavian countries with population densities that minimize virus density just by their remoteness? Or Myanmar, which has had no infections at all. Because they said so.

Don't draw your conclusions after comparing apples and pickup trucks?

Any list of liars that doesn't begin with Donald Trump shows your true colors. I sincerely hope that you come through this pandemic in good health. I also hope that you feel some responsibility to those who will not after they read the dangerous "facts" you so loosely toss out.

I Luv Emall
08-16-21, 09:44
I can't imagine any Ph. D that I know who would be opposed to the vaccine, especially any in a health care field. And I can't imagine why you would say that, unless you've not done any in-depth study on the subject, and have just taken the sound bites at face value. But that's not what PhD's do, they do their own research.


"Most" of them are intelligent people, from what I've experienced. Did the article mention why the doctorate crowd is allegedly so hesitant? I understand the reasons for the Black and Hispanic crowd, but the former group makes no sense.Now you sound just like Biden. Did you bother to look at the study I cited?

Aaron Hamlet
08-16-21, 10:30
Which is the per-existing condition, my new knee or my old knee? Neither. Your advanced age, prostate cancer and series of strokes.


The short answer is that I am 74, having survived prostate cancer and a series of strokes.

Niteluvr
08-16-21, 10:56
And I can't imagine why you would say that, unless you've not done any in-depth study on the subject, and have just taken the sound bites at face value. But that's not what PhD's do, they do their own research.

Now you sound just like Biden. Did you bother to look at the study I cited?I prefer real-world experiences to find truths, not articles.

Bullett64
08-16-21, 12:18
Neither. Your advanced age, prostate cancer and series of strokes.Wow, thank you for taking such an interest in my health. Like my new knee, neither of the two conditions you mentioned continue to exist, so can hardly be classified as "pre-existing. " My prostate cancer was discovered early, thanks to modern medicine (you know, stuff PSA tests and vaccines) and was removed. Ergo no prostate, no prostate cancer, no condition. Similarly, there is a blood vessel that runs up the back of your neck and branches into three parts. I was born with an abnormality in mine (a kink in layman's terms) which caused a blood clot to form. Eventually it got big enough to tear apart. Bits of the clot entered the three branched blood vessels, blocking them, and causing the three small strokes. As there are nor more vessels remaining in that artery, there is no possible chance of it causing any further damage. Once again, no condition remains to pre-exist. Now realizing that you have a vested interest in my health, I must notify you that I have fully recovered from all the effects of the strokes, although I admit I read a bit slower than I used to.

As you are so very interested in me, do you have any idea why I am pulling the ball to the left as often as I am?

Bullett64
08-16-21, 12:39
. I hope you feel some responsibility for the reported deaths from the COVID vaccines which in 7 months have eclipsed those of all other vaccines for the last 30 years combined, according to the VAERS data reported by the CDC.https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-rival-idUSL2N2O01XU

A apologize if Reuters is not as professional in your eyes as Tucker Carlson.

Let me put it another way. If I choose to get vaccinated and wear a mask in public and I am wrong, who have I hurt? No-one. If I am right, I have helped to end the disease and have helped in avoiding its spread to the unvaccinated.

If you are right and continue on your present course, no-one is hurt. If you are not, you are placing your own life in jeopardy as well as the lives of others and continuing to enable the spread of the current form of the disease as well as enabling to mutate into even more virulent forms.

So the cost of being correct is zero. The cost of being wrong is the difference between zero all the way up to possible death. It doesn't take much of a risk / benefit analysis to figure out which is the more prudent plan.

Of course the over 600,000 people who have already died of the disease don't get to weigh in here. If they did, how many of them do you suppose would be anti-vax'ers?

RogerOver
08-16-21, 17:43
Polio, Mumps, Rubella, and like have vaccines. You get the vaccine then the odds of getting the disease is infinitesimal. The flu shot is not a vaccine because their are still great odds of getting the flu. This Covid is a shot and not a vaccine because as we all see, people can and do still get the disease. It is all part of Big Pharma and Government propaganda. Not saying whether people should or should not get it, just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of what many are being fed and happily are swallowing.Because the CDC calls it a vaccine. And I'm certain they know more than your dumb fucking ass. I suppose the fact that the shot is 99.93% effective so far means that it's not a "vaccine" to you? So dumb. I'll bet you sit in the yard and eat rocks.


https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-rival-idUSL2N2O01XU

A apologize if Reuters is not as professional in your eyes as Tucker Carlson.

Let me put it another way. If I choose to get vaccinated and wear a mask in public and I am wrong, who have I hurt? No-one. If I am right, I have helped to end the disease and have helped in avoiding its spread to the unvaccinated.

If you are right and continue on your present course, no-one is hurt. If you are not, you are placing your own life in jeopardy as well as the lives of others and continuing to enable the spread of the current form of the disease as well as enabling to mutate into even more virulent forms.

So the cost of being correct is zero. The cost of being wrong is the difference between zero all the way up to possible death. It doesn't take much of a risk / benefit analysis to figure out which is the more prudent plan.

Of course the over 600,000 people who have already died of the disease don't get to weigh in here. If they did, how many of them do you suppose would be anti-vax'ers?While noble, I wouldn't bother trying to explain anything to this group of conspiracy cock swallowing idiots. I'm good with the Darwin shit that's happening.

Aaron Hamlet
08-16-21, 18:33
I suppose the fact that the shot is 99.93% effective


While noble, I wouldn't bother trying to explain anything to this group of conspiracy cock swallowing idiots. I'm good with the Darwin shit that's happening."alot of people are hostile to these analytical tools and availing themselves the right to borrow logic and analysis for the purpose of manipulation".

Followed by:

https://youtu.be/K7oLLbg3s7k?t=394

and:

"they believe we are in a battle that has a coherent endpoint ... but that battle doesn't even exist. There is no coherent endpoint."

Aaron Hamlet
08-16-21, 19:45
And I'm certain they know more than your dumb fucking ass. I suppose the fact that the shot is 99.93% effective.'both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines' effectiveness dropped in the month of July. The researchers found that Moderna's vaccine effectiveness was 76 percent, as compared with Pfizer's 42 percent. '.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1.full.pdf

"alot of people are hostile to these analytical tools and availing themselves the right to borrow logic and analysis for the purpose of manipulation. ".

https://youtu.be/K7oLLbg3s7k?t=404

I Luv Emall
08-16-21, 22:34
I prefer real-world experiences to find truths, not articles.So far, here's my real-world experience with the Delta variant. I know 2 people personally in the US that have had Covid since the Delta variant. One works for me and was on vacation at the time with his family of 4, all of which were vaccinated, and all of which got COVID. He ended up having to have oxygen, while the rest of his family had more mild symptoms. He was out for 2 weeks.

One of my neighbors also got Covid after returning from Florida on vacation with his family of 4, all of which were unvaccinated. The rest of them tested negative. He never went to the hospital or got any treatment, but did have a rough go of it, and is still recovering. He was back to work after 1 week, but does still struggle doing any heavier physical labor.

Even though that's my real-world experience, I realize it's very limited, and it's probably not representative of what I should expect in general. For that, I look to broader-based studies, and from what I see, the vaccines do appear to offer symptomatic relief. Did I believe they offered the 98% that was claimed (and since qualified with the "oops, oh yeah, that was outdated data that included 4 months worth of time where no one was vaccinated" Of course not, because this wasn't close to matching the data from other countries like the UK and Israel, and it just didn't pass the smell test.

Our plant in Israel got hit with Covid, and 16 of 18 people on our engineering floor ended being out with it, all of which were vaccinated. This did fit with much of the data I was seeing from both Israel and the UK, showing the vaccines were not effective against the Delta variant, so in this case I did believe my real-world data was reflective of the studies. We also saw a very high % get hit in the Cape Cod cluster outbreak here, forcing dumbass Biden to eat crow on his ill-timed "pandemic of the unvaccinated" line, doing his best to foster divisions and push his forced vaccine agenda.

I stopped after my MS degree so can't claim a PhD, but I've worked in research for decades, and have PhDs that work for me, and I can assure you they are not stupid, and they are not accepting this at face value either.

I Luv Emall
08-16-21, 23:19
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-rival-idUSL2N2O01XU

A apologize if Reuters is not as professional in your eyes as Tucker Carlson.

I think it's obvious that you are slow to read, because it's twice now that you've obviously misread my posts. What does your link have to do with my post? Please show me where my post made that claim?



Let me put it another way. If I choose to get vaccinated and wear a mask in public and I am wrong, who have I hurt? No-one. If I am right, I have helped to end the disease and have helped in avoiding its spread to the unvaccinated.

If you are right and continue on your present course, no-one is hurt. If you are not, you are placing your own life in jeopardy as well as the lives of others and continuing to enable the spread of the current form of the disease as well as enabling to mutate into even more virulent forms.

So the cost of being correct is zero. The cost of being wrong is the difference between zero all the way up to possible death. It doesn't take much of a risk / benefit analysis to figure out which is the more prudent plan.

Of course the over 600,000 people who have already died of the disease don't get to weigh in here. If they did, how many of them do you suppose would be anti-vax'ers?Let me put it to you this way- you are truly ignorant and refuse to get educated, even though I have asked you to please do so. You accuse me of listening only to Fox, even though you clearly are extremely poorly read, and don't realize that these vaccines do not provide immunity, and were never intended to do so (please do your fact checking on that). That's right, the vaccinated can and do spread the virus. Now, it's funny you bring up about mutations, because there's something called ADE (look that up and read about it), and every coronavirus vaccine applied for in the past has exhibited this. Now, in the absence of long term data (which by definition can't exist) demonstrating that these vaccines are different, there is a high likelihood that these vaccines are actually creating the problem and allowing mutations to develop at a more rapid pace, and not the unvaccinated. There are many notable scientists, including one of the pioneeers of MRNA vaccines, a Nobel Prize winner, and the former Chief Scientist of Pfizer that support this theory.

So the cost of being wrong on these vaccines is far from zero, and could potentially be creating a much larger problem for the entire world to deal with. Add on top of that the unknown long-term health effects of the vaccines, and there are potentially huge costs of being wrong. On the other hand, if the vaccines are as great as you pro-vaccine proponents think they are, then you are protected, and it's only the unvaccinated who are left to deal with the risks they willingly choose to take themselves. I'm being a little facetious there, but despite what you believe, there's more than one side to consider in this, and you're not being the selfless pariah you may see yourself as, so you can come down off your high horse.

We could get into a whole debate on the interpretation of statistics, but I won't go there. Instead, I'll just ask how many people have died of the flu so far? Have we tried to mandate the flu vaccine? Please, make your own choice, I'm all for that. Just don't try to make mine for me.

Aaron Hamlet
08-16-21, 23:32
I realize that the pores in the mask are bigger than the actual virus, but I am intelligent enough to know that the virus does not travel by itself, but attached to (mostly) water vapor molecules which are big enough for the mask to stop. l.Water vapor molecules evaporate almost immediately once outside the body. The much smaller viral microbes attached to the water molecules don't. Your mask won't stop the viral microbes.

I'm CCP virus + and cough, sneeze or spit in your mask wearing face. You may not feel any of moisture but thousands of CCP viral microbes passed through your mask and into your mouth and nose. But a mask might protect you from tasting my spit, mucous or snot. Maybe.

Aaron Hamlet
08-16-21, 23:36
neither of the two conditions you mentioned continue to exist, so can hardly be classified as "pre-existing. " My prostate cancer was discovered early, thanks to modern medicine (you know, stuff PSA tests and vaccines) and was removed. Ergo no prostate, no prostate cancer, no condition. Doesn't matter if they continue to exist or not. You're 75, had cancer and a series of strokes. You're considered immunocompromised.

Bullett64
08-17-21, 00:08
Doesn't matter if they continue to exist or not. You're 75, had cancer and a series of strokes. You're considered immunocompromised.You are simply making shit up (again.) Nothing that has happened to me has compromised my immune system any more than a broken arm as a child would.

Have you broken a bone? Had dental work? Spelling deficiencies? Zits? Ooooh, you too must be immunocompromised.

Aaron Hamlet
08-17-21, 10:39
You are simply making shit up (again.) Nothing that has happened to me has compromised my immune system any more than a broken arm as a child would.

Have you broken a bone? Had dental work? Spelling deficiencies? Zits? Ooooh, you too must be immunocompromised.'At this time, based on available studies, having a history of cancer increases your risk.'

'Stroke or cerebrovascular disease, which affects blood flow to the brain.'

'Having cerebrovascular disease, such as having a stroke, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.'

'Older adults are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. More than 80% of COVID-19 deaths occur in people over age 65.'

'Dementia or other neurological conditions.'

'Having neurological conditions, such as dementia, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.'

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

'Having a stroke damages immune cells as well as affecting the brain. Having a stroke damages immune cells as well as affecting the brain, research has found. '.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/04/170420113807.htm#text=Having%20 a%20 stroke%20 damages%20 immune%20 cells%20 as%20 well%20 as%20 affecting%20 the%20 brain. &text=FULL%20 STORY-,Having%20 a%20 stroke%20 damages%20 immune%20 cells%20 as%20 well%20 as%20 affecting, pneumonia%2 C%20 after%20 having%20 a%20 stroke.


You are simply making shit up (again.) What am I making up, old man? You say again, so what have I made up in the past?

ComTech42
08-17-21, 16:35
I've been lurking on this forum for years. I'm probably on the younger side of most of you 30. I get I'd checked hard haha. Only been to two parlors with success LVX which was my first actually, years ago, and a place off scenic hwy (don't remember name). If anyone has tips for me going out to places please inbox me please. Thanks! Wish you guys luck out there.After your many years of Lurking why not share you favorite places. Earn some creditably with fellow members.

Bullett64
08-17-21, 16:59
I'm CCP virus + and cough, sneeze or spit in your mask wearing face. You may not feel any of moisture but thousands of CCP viral microbes passed through your mask and into your mouth and nose. But a mask might protect you from tasting my spit, mucous or snot. Maybe.You are either simply ignorant (intentionally or not and / or stupid (again, either intentionally or not), but you are certainly arrogant and dangerous, whether to yourself, those around you, or the general population at large.

And that IS intentional on your part.

I can no longer be bothered to even read your posts. Good luck with your health; you are going to need it.

Aaron Hamlet
08-17-21, 19:04
You are either simply ignorant (intentionally or not and / or stupid (again, either intentionally or not), but you are certainly arrogant and dangerous, whether to yourself, those around you, or the general population at large.

And that IS intentional on your part.

I can no longer be bothered to even read your posts. Good luck with your health; you are going to need it."alot of people are hostile to these analytical tools and avail themselves the right to borrow logic and analysis for the purpose of manipulation. They believe we are in a battle that has a coherent endpoint. But that battle doesn't even exist. There is no coherent endpoint. ".

https://youtu.be/K7oLLbg3s7k?t=394


You are simply making shit up (again.)

For the second time, what did I make up and what have I made up?

Niteluvr
08-17-21, 21:20
After your many years of Lurking why not share you favorite places. Earn some creditably with fellow members.Come on Com, it's credibility, not whatever you said. Too much dried jizz on the keyboard can cause obnoxious levels of sticky keystrokes. YMMV.

Aaron Hamlet
08-19-21, 09:31
This Covid is a shot and not a vaccine because as we all see, people can and do still get the disease. It is all part of Big Pharma and Government propaganda. It's worse than that. Not only an imperfect non-vaccine vaccine but trying to non-vaccine vaccine your way out of a pandemic using a imperfect non-vaccine vaccine. It's the non-vaccine vaccine that's creating the variants. Biology 101.

'The combination of high prevalence and high levels of vaccination creates the conditions in which an immune escape variant is most likely to emerge. '.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001160/S1300_SAGE_93_minutes_Coronavirus__COVID-19__response__7_July_2021.pdf

From 2015:

'Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population. '.

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

https://twitter.com/realityblob/status/1409947400131661825?s=20

Bullett64
08-19-21, 14:51
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/e2-80-98it-e2-80-99s-the-height-of-hypocrisy-e2-80-99-after-texas-gov-greg-abbott-contracts-covid-19-democrats-ramp-up-calls-for-mask-mandates/ar-AANtsPW?ocid=uxbndlbing

Governor Abbott has long declared that the Covid virus is "no big deal" and that personal responsibility is all that is needed, but public health measures.

He then attends a crowded, indoor, mostly mask-free, non-social distancing event. How does this dovetail with personal responsibility? Is anyone really surprised that shortly thereafter he tested positive for the virus?

He was fully vaccinated, which means that the strain he got was probably delta. His symptoms are light, probably due to the fact that he had been vaccinated.

So, does the "personal responsibility", "no big deal", Governor go home to recover? NO! He gets himself a booster (which is not available to the public at present) and received monoclonal antibody treatment (also not available to the general public unless you name ends in Trump.)

Why all these steps for something that is "no big deal?" Too bad he doesn't show the same concern for the well being of his constituent as he does for himself.

TheRabbit
08-19-21, 15:59
Based on comparing FT's numbers to CDC's figures on breakthrough cases, from July 12th​ to August 6th​ we've had 6,343 people die of Covid-19, of which 366 (5. 7%) were fully vaccinated. 16 times as many unvaccinated died as vaccinated, even though as of now the population is evenly divided between vaccinated and unvaccinated, even though the unvaccinated population is significantly younger and healthier than the vaccinated population. Its almost like... Vaccines work or something.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

Bullett64
08-19-21, 16:20
Some thoughts on Afghnistan:

First of all the entire situation is a tragedy and I feel for the Afghani people, those who are still trying to get safely ou, and those who gave their lives during the conflict.

I spent four long years on the Air Staff and thereby have a bit of knowledge of how this all works. I was in XOO (Operations) not XOX (Plans) but I worked enough with the planners to know that nothing is ever thrown out. It can be revised ad nauseum, but the old plans are still on file and ready to be dusted off.

President Biden has taken some severe hits for the lack of planning here and rightly so. However, it was President Trump who made the agreement with the Taliban and established the May 1 withdrawal date. But clearly he had no plan on how to do this either or the armed forces would have had in place unless it was superseded by a newer Biden era plan, which is obviously not the case.

That being said, the only difference in the end game that I see is that it all would have occurred four months earlier.

I blame both sides. There is certainly enough of it for each of them to share. I just wish we could now concentrate on getting our people and allies out of there. The finger pointing can wait.

Sgt Lurker
08-19-21, 18:35
President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.


Some thoughts on Afghnistan:

First of all the entire situation is a tragedy and I feel for the Afghani people, those who are still trying to get safely ou, and those who gave their lives during the conflict.

I spent four long years on the Air Staff and thereby have a bit of knowledge of how this all works. I was in XOO (Operations) not XOX (Plans) but I worked enough with the planners to know that nothing is ever thrown out. It can be revised ad nauseum, but the old plans are still on file and ready to be dusted off.

President Biden has taken some severe hits for the lack of planning here and rightly so. However, it was President Trump who made the agreement with the Taliban and established the May 1 withdrawal date. But clearly he had no plan on how to do this either or the armed forces would have had in place unless it was superseded by a newer Biden era plan, which is obviously not the case.

That being said, the only difference in the end game that I see is that it all would have occurred four months earlier.

I blame both sides. There is certainly enough of it for each of them to share. I just wish we could now concentrate on getting our people and allies out of there. The finger pointing can wait.

Bullett64
08-19-21, 21:25
President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.Sounds good -- after the fact. The problem is that there does not exist an OPLAN, or even an MOA, which tasks who is do do all of this, and how, and when, and with what resources, etc. , etc.

Also, unless I missed it, Trump never mentioned getting the Afghan allies out all all. Most news sources seem to agree that he was happy to just leave them there.

KindOfMissBp
08-19-21, 23:25
Some thoughts on Afghnistan:

First of all the entire situation is a tragedy and I feel for the Afghani people, those who are still trying to get safely ou, and those who gave their lives during the conflict.

I spent four long years on the Air Staff and thereby have a bit of knowledge of how this all works. I was in XOO (Operations) not XOX (Plans) but I worked enough with the planners to know that nothing is ever thrown out. It can be revised ad nauseum, but the old plans are still on file and ready to be dusted off.

President Biden has taken some severe hits for the lack of planning here and rightly so. However, it was President Trump who made the agreement with the Taliban and established the May 1 withdrawal date. But clearly he had no plan on how to do this either or the armed forces would have had in place unless it was superseded by a newer Biden era plan, which is obviously not the case.

That being said, the only difference in the end game that I see is that it all would have occurred four months earlier.

I blame both sides. There is certainly enough of it for each of them to share. I just wish we could now concentrate on getting our people and allies out of there. The finger pointing can wait.Mr. Bullet,

You have a serious case of denial. Leaving millions of dollars worth of our hardware (Humvees, guns, ammo, drones, helicopters, etc) for the Taliban to have is perfectly ok? Are you going to say that was our parting gift to our enemy? Are you going to say that Trump would have done that?

You talk about "knowing" a little about how this works because you were in military admin. Were you on the ground in Afghanistan? Did you fire a weapon? Were you fired at? You don't know squat.

This is a colossal failure by this administration and our woke military leaders of epic proportion.

Furthermore, most of us are on this board because of our interest in pussy. 90% of your posts are rant and raves trying to defend leftist ideals. Maybe if you spent more time pursuing pussy you'd have a more balanced outlook on things.

TheRabbit
08-19-21, 23:32
President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/biden-officials-say-trump-administration-left-bare-cupboard-on-afghanistan-report-2021-8?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16294304967984&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fbiden-officials-say-trump-administration-left-bare-cupboard-on-afghanistan-report-2021-8

Yeah no Trump had no real plan other than say "we're leaving".

Sgt Soros
08-20-21, 02:46
President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.Yea right, he had a brilliant plan. He just forgot to inform those responsible for carrying it out.

Bullett64
08-20-21, 10:02
Mr. Bullet,

You have a serious case of denial. Leaving millions of dollars worth of our hardware (Humvees, guns, ammo, drones, helicopters, etc) for the Taliban to have is perfectly ok? Are you going to say that was our parting gift to our enemy? Are you going to say that Trump would have done that?

You talk about "knowing" a little about how this works because you were in military admin. Were you on the ground in Afghanistan? Did you fire a weapon? Were you fired at? You don't know squat.

This is a colossal failure by this administration and our woke military leaders of epic proportion.

Furthermore, most of us are on this board because of our interest in pussy. 90% of your posts are rant and raves trying to defend leftist ideals. Maybe if you spent more time pursuing pussy you'd have a more balanced outlook on things.In order:

Please show me whee I even talked about hardware? My point is that this was a tragedy, a human tragedy, with plenty of blame for both administrations. The equipment comes secondary to human lives. Of course, with no plan it didn't stand a chance of being either recovered or destroyed.

My "admin" experience consisted of four years in the Pentagon on the Air Staff. Do you remember the attack on Libya, Operation El Dorado canyon? That was a plan and it was very successful. I was not on the ground in Afghanistan; I was in the air, just as I was in Vietnam and Desert storm. And yes, I fired many weapons. Would you like a list? And yes, I was fired at, frequently. Have you ever seen a picture of Baghdad during Desert storm?

It was an epic failure, just not my this administration alone. The previous one share equal blame. I recognize that you believe your fearless leader is perfect in every way, but please recall that he had no plan to distribute the Corona virus vaccine either.

ComTech42
08-20-21, 13:46
The worst President ever conducting the worst foreign policy blunder ever. Cut the Trump blaming. Joe Biden has been in charge since January.

The United States has elected the VILLAGE IDOIT as PRESIDENT.

Aaron Hamlet
08-20-21, 14:34
Along with the 15,000 Americans and 80,000 Afghan allies abandoned in Afghanistan, we are completely fucked.

Bullett64
08-20-21, 15:01
The worst President ever conducting the worst foreign policy blunder ever. Cut the Trump blaming. Joe Biden has been in charge since January.

The United States has elected the VILLAGE IDOIT as PRESIDENT.This has not been a shining moment for President Biden and our country in general.

But to assume that everything was in order for a 1 May withdrawal date is being naive to the extreme. Let's give credit where credit is due, namely to President Biden and former President Trump.

Bullett64
08-20-21, 16:28
Operation El Dorado canyon ... and Desert stormI don't know how these posts are edited, but the names of Operational Orders (OPORN's) and Operational Plans (OPLAN's,) are properly capitalized, hence Operation "ELDORADO CANYON" (all caps), and Operation "DESERT STORM" (also all caps.).

ComTech42
08-20-21, 18:07
This has not been a shining moment for President Biden and our country in general.

But to assume that everything was in order for a 1 May withdrawal date is being naive to the extreme. Let's give credit where credit is due, namely to President Biden and former President Trump.The United States is on the verge of collapse. We elect people who tell us what we want to hear and enrich themselves. We are infected with political correctness and avoid the truth. We refuse to admit Islam is a political force whose goal is to rule the world.

Bullett64
08-20-21, 19:19
The United States is on the verge of collapse. We elect people who tell us what we want to hear and enrich themselves. We are infected with political correctness and avoid the truth. .Interesting. Your second sentence is the very definition of "Donald Trump. ".

As for the imminent collapse of the country. No its not. We are definitely going through some growing pains, but we will survive Biden just as we survived Trump. " You give the average US citizen far too little credit. We will adapt to changing situations as they present themselves.

The biggest threat to the democracy that I see isn' a takeover by Islam, but internal conflict caused by out of control political polarization. As the world famous philosopher, Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he are us. ".

Want to help with salvation of the country? Stop being a right-wing fanatic and try actually listening to other points of view.

Bullett64
08-20-21, 19:21
The United States is on the verge of collapse. Sorry, I forgot to ask. When do you see this collapse happening so I can mark my calendar?

I Luv Emall
08-20-21, 20:12
As I've said many times, you really need to look at the data from other countries to get a more realistic view. I would trust the data coming from Israel much more than the data coming from here as 1) they are months ahead of us on the vaccination campaign and have much more advanced data, and 2) they have not shown the propensity to make nearly as many stupid and intentionally misleading statements as the disinformation campaign that this administration has embarked on. That said, I think the data has always shown the vaccines have utility in symptomatic amelioration. This may make them worthwhile for the elderly or people with underlying conditions, but it certainly does not justify a mass vaccination campaign, and certainly not for children. Here's a more in-depth study from Israel that lays out the Pfizer vaccine's effectivness against "severe illness":

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-covid-graphs-prove-vaccines-works-delta-pfizer-1.10101640

I note this:

"For those under the age of 60, the rate of severe illness among the unvaccinated stood at 2. 4 cases per 100,000 people – 2. 7 times more than the 0. 9 per 100,000 among those who are fully vaccinated. " Now, I'm not denying the vaccines show effectiveness against "severe illness", and even for this age bracket, 2. 7 x is nothing to scoff at. However, unless I miscalculate that, the % rate for severe illness for the unvaccinated for those under 60 stands at. 0024%! Even for those 70-79, where the factor goes to 10 x, the risk would be. 0208%. And that is only "severe illness", not death. That's practically nothing, and for me, does not warrant the risk of taking the vaccine, with its unknown long-term effects, and its known short-term risks. Others should be free to assess their own risks, although the risk that these vaccines are leading to variants by their leaky nature should be factored into that equation.

I think history will eventually show this pandemic is being terribly mismanaged, and the long-term effects will be suffered for years to come (in several different fashions).


Based on comparing FT's numbers to CDC's figures on breakthrough cases, from July 12th​ to August 6th​ we've had 6,343 people die of Covid-19, of which 366 (5. 7%) were fully vaccinated. 16 times as many unvaccinated died as vaccinated, even though as of now the population is evenly divided between vaccinated and unvaccinated, even though the unvaccinated population is significantly younger and healthier than the vaccinated population. Its almost like... Vaccines work or something.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

Niteluvr
08-20-21, 20:26
Interesting. Your second sentence is the very definition of "Donald Trump. ".

As for the imminent collapse of the country. No its not. We are definitely going through some growing pains, but we will survive Biden just as we survived Trump. " You give the average US citizen far too little credit. We will adapt to changing situations as they present themselves.

The biggest threat to the democracy that I see isn' a takeover by Islam, but internal conflict caused by out of control political polarization. As the world famous philosopher, Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he are us. ".

Want to help with salvation of the country? Stop being a right-wing fanatic and try actually listening to other points of view.Damn good advice!

ComTech42
08-20-21, 21:19
Interesting. Your second sentence is the very definition of "Donald Trump. ".

As for the imminent collapse of the country. No its not. We are definitely going through some growing pains, but we will survive Biden just as we survived Trump. " You give the average US citizen far too little credit. We will adapt to changing situations as they present themselves.

The biggest threat to the democracy that I see isn' a takeover by Islam, but internal conflict caused by out of control political polarization. As the world famous philosopher, Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he are us. ".

Want to help with salvation of the country? Stop being a right-wing fanatic and try actually listening to other points of view.Never said imminent. Do not put words in my mouth. I hope you are correct. I hope we rally an correct our mistakes. I must agree with the Britts.

They gave the Village idiot a Corner in Hyde Park to Bloviate. The US elected our VILLAGE IDIOT PRESIDENT.

Sgt Lurker
08-21-21, 00:19
Regardless of how many ways it was proven you all still would not believe it. Several military from his admin have states the same.


Yea right, he had a brilliant plan. He just forgot to inform those responsible for carrying it out.


President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.

Bullett64
08-21-21, 11:35
Regardless of how many ways it was proven you all still would not believe it. Several military from his admin have states the same.And no matter how many times you say it, that doesn't "prove" it. I am all for the truth and a proof one way or the other would be great. Please help us all out and give some citations (from credible sources would be swell) that shed some light on who these military might be and what they said.

I think a lot of us would like better information. I now I would and you seem to have it. Please share.

ComTech42
08-21-21, 13:37
Regardless of how many ways it was proven you all still would not believe it. Several military from his admin have states the same.Trump's plan included. Should the Taliban not co-operate fully. The US would respond with massive force until they did. The world including the Taliban knew President Trump meant what he said. The world also knows Joe Biden is a spineless Puppet.

Aaron Hamlet
08-21-21, 14:28
The United States is on the verge of collapse. You're probably right. Even after trillions of dollars printed, latest consumer sentiment numbers are the lowest in 10 years. GFC was 10 years ago. Future economic expectations are also lowest in 10 years. Bonus UE benefits end in 2 weeks. Inflation hasn't been this high in 20 years. Mortgage rates then were 10%. If inflation continues and rates need to rise accordingly, the monthly payment for good credit on a $120 k home will be the same as is for todays $600 k home. Even after trillions printed GDP estimates are being lowered. Inflation growing faster then the economy. Stagflation destroys an economy built on ZIRP and ever rising paper assets. The Biden admin has shown the world its inability or reluctance to project US power even when the lives of 10 k+ Americans and 80 k+ Afghan allies are at extreme risk. Winning WW II and the destruction of Europe's manuf capabilities gave the US the benefit of the US dollar being the worlds reserve currency creating a constant demand for the currency and an estimated profit of nearly 1 trillion annually. If the US continues to print such massive amounts of dollars and is no longer capable or willing to project their power, why should reserve currency status remain? If that goes, collapse is too mild of a term for what will happen to US.

TheRabbit
08-21-21, 15:39
As I've said many times, you really need to look at the data from other countries to get a more realistic view. I would trust the data coming from Israel much more than the data coming from here as 1) they are months ahead of us on the vaccination campaign and have much more advanced data, and 2) they have not shown the propensity to make nearly as many stupid and intentionally misleading statements as the disinformation campaign that this administration has embarked on. That said, I think the data has always shown the vaccines have utility in symptomatic amelioration. This may make them worthwhile for the elderly or people with underlying conditions, but it certainly does not justify a mass vaccination campaign, and certainly not for children. Here's a more in-depth study from Israel that lays out the Pfizer vaccine's effectivness against "severe illness":

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-covid-graphs-prove-vaccines-works-delta-pfizer-1.10101640

I note this:

"For those under the age of 60, the rate of severe illness among the unvaccinated stood at 2. 4 cases per 100,000 people 2. 7 times more than the 0. 9 per 100,000 among those who are fully vaccinated. " Now, I'm not denying the vaccines show effectiveness against "severe illness", and even for this age bracket, 2. 7 x is nothing to scoff at. However, unless I miscalculate that, the % rate for severe illness for the unvaccinated for those under 60 stands at. 0024%! Even for those 70-79, where the factor goes to 10 x, the risk would be. 0208%. And that is only "severe illness", not death. That's practically nothing, and for me, does not warrant the risk of taking the vaccine, with its unknown long-term effects, and its known short-term risks. Others should be free to assess their own risks, although the risk that these vaccines are leading to variants by their leaky nature should be factored into that equation.

I think history will eventually show this pandemic is being terribly mismanaged, and the long-term effects will be suffered for years to come (in several different fashions).Every credible source I can find indicates a mortality rate for non-elderly adults like 100 times higher than your claimed serious illness rate. The facts are the facts. One you start cherrypicking only the sources that most align with your views, while taking them out of context in ways that might be misunderstanding what they are talking about, you aren't dealing with facts anymore. Of which speaking of the facts are that there are no known serious short or long term consequences for the vaccine despite 100's of millions of shots given out, but direct demonstrable short and long term effects for the disease proper, the latter of which gets more dire with each passing day.

Do you have the actual math you used to derive your numbers? Because frankly I don't think its possible for it to have been derived from the data there. You need more than just serious illness rates by age and vaccination, you are also need to know the population by age and vaccination rates by age as well, probably also the overall case rate by age as well. Its also fundamentally an exercise in futile because Israel's cases are spiking dramatically (new cases per 100 k doubled in the last 10 days) and there will be an inherent and uncertain time delay between when cases happen and when serious illness, hospitalization, and death happen due to those cases.

Meanwhile I see you are continuing to play the 100% selfishness card and be completely indifferent to how being unvaccinated makes more likely to spread it to more vulnerable people. Its pathetic how far the USA has fallen, from the days in which people willingly volunteered to fight in WWII despite the major risks to life and limb it imposed, to people unwilling to accept the safest most effective and natural form of healthcare possible even if only to ensure their grandpa doesn't die a painful death as they gargle on fluid filled lungs. I bet that these same people don't have the slightest concern about medication or surgery that are far less safe. There are literally people taking cow dewormers, a product with no known healthcare benefits Covid-19 or otherwise and untested on humans, rather than just take the friggin vaccine. Its madness.

TheRabbit
08-21-21, 15:48
Trump's plan included. Should the Taliban not co-operate fully. The US would respond with massive force until they did. The world including the Taliban knew President Trump meant what he said. The world also knows Joe Biden is a spineless Puppet.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA!

NO!

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

After making that deal the Taliban continue to care out attacks and Trump did NOTHING about it, do your research better next time. 😂.

HobbyMan51
08-21-21, 15:52
Trump's plan included. Should the Taliban not co-operate fully. The US would respond with massive force until they did. The world including the Taliban knew President Trump meant what he said. The world also knows Joe Biden is a spineless Puppet.Amen and amen and the blind fools who supported this spineless scrotum sack know it too now that's too late. We tried to tell you but you labeled us racists, insurrectionists, white supremacists, anything you could throw at us to divert attention away from the real truth that you ignored for god knows what reasons. Some of you who support or supported this fraud are true anarchists (and you know who you are too) but most of you were caught up in the lies the media told you about Trump and thus were easily swayed and manipulated away from what the monsters who hid behind Mighty Joe intended to do to this country and to us once they gained power. What we have witnessed this week was once unimaginable but now even the corrupt media that put him in power has no choice but to address it. We all see it. The problem is that too many of you did not and now we all must pay for the inevitable catastrophes that will surely follow. This level of incompetence is unprecedented and the level of stupidity exhibited now at the highest levels of our government are so insane that the only conclusion is to believe that this has all been planned in advance. This is just the beginning.

HobbyMan51
08-21-21, 15:59
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA!

NO!

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

After making that deal the Taliban continue to care out attacks and Trump did NOTHING about it, do your research better next time. 😂.What attacks? No casualties in the last 18 months with a force of 2500 in place. Do you just lie because lying is like breathing to you? I ask knowing that there will be no real coherent response from you as always. I ask to just make the point with those who can think rationally and clearly, things that most clearly exclude you. The Taliban feared Trump reprisals if they didn't behave but of course CNN and others never told you that. Are you an anarchist or just a complete fool?

ComTech42
08-21-21, 18:49
Regardless of how many ways it was proven you all still would not believe it. Several military from his admin have states the same.Trump's plan included. Should the Taliban not co-operate fully. The US would respond with massive force until they did. The world including the Taliban knew President Trump meant what he said. The world also knows Joe Biden is a spineless Puppet.

TheRabbit
08-21-21, 20:18
Trump's plan included. Should the Taliban not co-operate fully. The US would respond with massive force until they did. The world including the Taliban knew President Trump meant what he said. The world also knows Joe Biden is a spineless Puppet.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA!

NO!

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/ti...m-afghanistan/

After making that deal the Taliban continue to care out attacks and Trump did NOTHING about it, do your research better next time. 😂.

ComTech42
08-21-21, 23:01
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA!

NO!

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/ti...m-afghanistan/

After making that deal the Taliban continue to care out attacks and Trump did NOTHING about it, do your research better next time. 😂.When confronted with the truth do a Hillary laugh. So predictable Dilbert.

Aaron Hamlet
08-22-21, 20:35
Stop being a right-wing fanatic and try actually listening to other points of view.Do what the old man says. Don't be a right wing lunatic and start listening to the rational other side when they tell your fanatical ass that Trump pissed on horers in Russia. Putin has it on tape and is blackmailing him. Now Trump's a Russian spy. Russia put bounties on US soldiers heads and Trump did nothing because he's on tape pissing on horers. Trump's lawyer Cohen's going to take him down. Big bad ass Comey and Big dick Mueller coming for Trump. They're going to send Trump to prison. Orangeman going to be wearing Orange jumpsuit. Listen to what Kamala says. Don't trust or take the vaccine. It's Trump vaccine. Orangeman bad Impeach. Resist. Joe Biden will bring America back. He's presidential. Has decades of foreign policy experience. They know he'll lead the world to peace and prosperity. Steady and competent leadership. Our allies will embrace and love Joe. Not make fun of him.

Mask up motherfuckers. Nancy and the wealthy elites don't have to but your 2 year old kid does.
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1429469022542864387?s=20



Come on, man. Don't be a right wing fanatic. Listen to the common sense from the Anti-Trumpers

Bullett64
08-23-21, 08:57
Do what the old man says. Don't be a right wing lunatic and start listening to the rational other side when they tell your fanatical ass that Trump pissed on horers in Russia. Putin has it on tape and is blackmailing him. Now Trump's a Russian spy. Russia put bounties on US soldiers heads and Trump did nothing because he's on tape pissing on horers. Trump's lawyer Cohen's going to take him down. Big bad ass Comey and Big dick Mueller coming for Trump. They're going to send Trump to prison. Orangeman going to be wearing Orange jumpsuit. Listen to what Kamala says. Don't trust or take the vaccine. It's Trump vaccine. Orangeman bad Impeach. Resist. Joe Biden will bring America back. He's presidential. Has decades of foreign policy experience. They know he'll lead the world to peace and prosperity. Steady and competent leadership. Our allies will embrace and love Joe. Not make fun of him.

Mask up motherfuckers. Nancy and the wealthy elites don't have to but your 2 year old kid does.
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1429469022542864387?s=20



Come on, man. Don't be a right wing fanatic. Listen to the common sense from the Anti-TrumpersDo you have reading problems, comprehension issues, or are you just stupid?

I said to listen to the other side. I never said you have to blindly follow everything that is said, which by the way, seems to be exactly what you do for your side of the argument.

Here is a shocker for you: not everything that your side says is correct, just as everything the other side says is incorrect.

This is true no matter which side you are on. Polarization without reasoned thought is the biggest challenge we face as a society today. You really need to brow up and pretend to be an adult.

Aaron Hamlet
08-24-21, 13:11
Do you have reading problems, comprehension issues, or are you just stupid?

I said to listen to the other side. I never said you have to blindly follow everything that is said, which by the way, seems to be exactly what you do for your side of the argument.

Here is a shocker for you: not everything that your side says is correct, just as everything the other side says is incorrect.

This is true no matter which side you are on. Polarization without reasoned thought is the biggest challenge we face as a society today. You really need to brow up and pretend to be an adult.I'm surprised to hear from you after this last response:


You are either simply ignorant (intentionally or not and / or stupid (again, either intentionally or not), but you are certainly arrogant and dangerous, whether to yourself, those around you, or the general population at large.

And that IS intentional on your part.

I can no longer be bothered to even read your posts. Good luck with your health; you are going to need it.A bizarre reply to my question asking you to give examples regarding your statement accusing me of being a liar. But that's okay. You're of advanced age and in cognitive decline. I get that. Let's move on to the matter at hand.

So which is correct, Trump did / didn't piss on horers in Moscow, Trump was / wasn't a Russian spy? Anti Trumpers like yourself didn't have major policy differences w / Trump but allow yourselves, seek out even to be mentally triggered by his personality, the media and stories made up by the media, their lies repeated over and over again. There was / is nothing to listen to the other side about. What are the major policy differences to debate? You want open borders, US dependence on China manuf our drugs, PPE, etc? A ten trillion dollar going to save the world green new deal? Everyone stays at home w / o a job and gets paid? MMT money printing? I don't think you do.

What you are doing, Bullet, is confessing through projection. It is you who is the triggered lunatic, the fanatic that you accuse others of being. It is you who help create and facilitate the polarization you speak to. Trump didn't piss on hoarers in Moscow. Trump isn't a Russian asset. And Orangeman is not bad. He just triggered you. Why does Trump trigger you so?

RogerOver
08-24-21, 14:26
Do you have reading problems, comprehension issues, or are you just stupid?
Yes.

I think part of the problem is Hamlet doesn't like to wear the hard helmet they gave him due to embarrassment, and he doesn't like anything between him and god. Put on the helmet dude. We'll laugh at you but it will help with the falls from that scout scooter you ride around on with a trump flag.