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Excellent rebuttal. Trump has probably the worst public speaking skills of any President in my lifetime, but I'd still vote for him over a career politician / lifetime bullshitter like Biden. A punk like Biden could never have built the economy like Trump has.
Biden 2020: No balls, no glory. I think I'm going to get a yard sign made with those exact words.Trump has lied / misled the public over 18,000 times since taking office. Do you have any idea how hard it is to be that much of a pathological liar?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/14/president-trump-made-18000-false-or-misleading-claims-1170-days/%3foutputType=amp
Plus, presidents do not have as much influence on the economy as you would think:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/upshot/presidents-have-less-power-over-the-economy-than-you-might-think.amp.html
You were so interested in Sara and Vicki and grilled me about them and what that do were they worked a and livedwhen all you needed to do is just call them.Yes, I asked about Vicki and Sara. You didn't provide a single piece of credible information about either of them. How can I call them if I don't have their correct numbers? The phone number you gave me for one of the women went to an old Asian Apartment ad (nobody answered). The other number you gave me for the other woman was a NY number. Nobody answered that number either.
What I've learned from you is that you're a board troll who writes cryptic, useless shit.
Aaron Hamlet
04-28-20, 12:14
I am also a veteran, engineer, architect, business owner, American, voter and person that pays over $100 k annually in taxes after credits and deduction. its your freedom of speech that I fought for and that my brother (special forces 13 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan), my baby sister fight and best friend still fight for. I just personally don't understand the need to personally attack people you don't know because they differ. But carry on sir!!Damn, bro. You're one badass cat. Engineer, architect and based on your stated tax payments and how creative you and accountant are, you're knocking down between $500-$800,000 per year. $10 k-$15 k per week. On top of that, you're a combat vet. Also your little sis is also a combat vet who now fights on the front line as a nurse in NJ. And your mom fights on the frontline as a nurse in Mississsippi. And on top off all this, your Special Forces brother is tied for second place for most combat tours of duty in the recorded history of the US.And you shacked up w/that fine ass hooker for 8 months b4 you had to put her out because of her bad habits. You a hard hitting motherfucker. You need your own TV show.
Busy Lurker
04-28-20, 15:30
Bottom line: If you're for any type of government forced lock down, you're a piece of shit, and most likely a coward. Period.Yeah, the next thing you know, the gubmint will tell us we can't drink and drive. Then they'll want a USA Department of Agriculture to inspect our food and won't let anyone sell any food they want. Next, the'll tell felons and teenagers and the mentally ill they can't buy guns! Pretty soon they'll want a Coast Guard keeping drug dealers away from our kids. Why, I bet them thar libruls will want to up a fence on the Messican border to keep feriners' out!
Anyone who wants any type of government-forced rules that protect 'Mericans is a piece of shit, and most likely a coward.
Bottom line: Let's all go to restaurants and bars and tattoo parlors and football games and movies, because when we get sick (and infect others), we can run to the gubmint for hospitals and medicines and respirators and healthcare workers and insurance as long as we want, because the gubmint can't try to reduce the number of people who get sick.
Trump has lied / misled the public over 18,000 times since taking office. Do you have any idea how hard it is to be that much of a pathological liar?I completely agree Trump is a pathological liar. For the record, NO ONE is blaming the President for the virus. Let me repeat. Coronavirus is not Trump's fault.
Here's a detailed list of what I’m blaming him for:
* Trump declined to use the World Health Organization's test like other nations. Back in January, over a month before the first Co-vid19 case, the Chinese posted a new mysterious virus and within a week, Berlin virologists had produced the first diagnostic test. By the end of February, the WHO had shipped out tests to 60 countries. Oh, but not our government. We declined the test even as a temporary bridge until the CDC could create its own test. The question is why? We don't know but what to look for is which pharmaceutical company eventually manufactures the test and who owns the stock. Stay tuned.
* In 2018 Trump fired Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossart, whose job was to coordinate a response to global pandemics. He was not replaced.
* In 2018 Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC director for medical and bio-defense preparedness left the job. Trump did not replace Dr. Borio.
* In 2019 the NSC's Senior Director for Global Health Security and bio-defense, Tim Ziemer, left the position and Trump did not replace the Rear Admiral.
* Trump shut down the entire Global Health Security and Bio-defense agency. Yes, he did.
* Amid the explosive worldwide outbreak of the virus Trump proposed a 19% cut to the budget of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention plus a 10% cut to Public Health Services and a 7% cut to Global Health Services. Those happen to be the organizations that responds to public health threats.
* In 2018, at Trump's direction, the CDC stopped funding epidemic prevention activities in 39 out of 49 countries including China.
* Trump didn't appoint a doctor to oversee the US response to the pandemic. He appointed VP Mike Pence.
* Trump has on multiple occasions sowed doubt about the severity of the virus even using the word hoax at events and rallies. He even did it at an event where the virus was being spread. Trump has put out zero useful information concerning the health risks of the virus.
* Trump pretended for two months that the virus had been contained.
* Trump left a cruise ship at sea for days, denying them proper hospital care, rather than increase the number of COVID-19 cases in the U.S.
I repeat! I do not blame Trump for the virus. I blame him for gutting the nation's preparations to deal with it. I blame him for bungling testing and allowing it to spread uninhibited. I blame him for wasting taxpayer money on applause lines at his rallies (like The Wall). I blame him for putting his own political life over American human life. I hope this clears things up.
Now here’s a shocker, I voted for Trump in 2016, but will NOT vote for him in November.
I completely agree Trump is a pathological liar. For the record, NO ONE is blaming the President for the virus. Let me repeat. Coronavirus is not Trump's fault.
Here's a detailed list of what we are blaming him for:
* Trump declined to use the World Health Organization's test like other nations. Back in January, over a month before the first Co-vid19 case, the Chinese posted a new mysterious virus and within a week, Berlin virologists had produced the first diagnostic test. By the end of February, the WHO had shipped out tests to 60 countries. Oh, but not our government. We declined the test even as a temporary bridge until the CDC could create its own test. The question is why? We don't know but what to look for is which pharmaceutical company eventually manufactures the test and who owns the stock. Stay tuned.
* In 2018 Trump fired Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossart, whose job was to coordinate a response to global pandemics. He was not replaced.
* In 2018 Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC director for medical and bio-defense preparedness left the job. Trump did not replace Dr. Borio.
* In 2019 the NSC's Senior Director for Global Health Security and bio-defense, Tim Ziemer, left the position and Trump did not replace the Rear Admiral.
* Trump shut down the entire Global Health Security and Bio-defense agency. Yes, he did.
* Amid the explosive worldwide outbreak of the virus Trump proposed a 19% cut to the budget of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention plus a 10% cut to Public Health Services and a 7% cut to Global Health Services. Those happen to be the organizations that responds to public health threats.
* In 2018, at Trump's direction, the CDC stopped funding epidemic prevention activities in 39 out of 49 countries including China.Upcoming issues to blame him for.
1. Issuing a National Defense Act to the Meat packing industry to stay open, despite over thousands of positive cases and some deaths.
2. Issuing Guidance to states for reopening, then ignoring them and encouraging people to protest the those same guidelines.
3. Redirecting resources to critical reelection states that have Red Governors (Florida / Texas).
4. Pitting states against each other for critical supplies and then using FEMA to seize those supplies.
There are a crap load more. But as the head of the Federal government, and despite his claims otherwise, the buck does stop with him. And ultimately he and he alone is to blame for the total fucking response so far and going forward. He was getting information back in November of last year, and he ignored them.
IslandParty
04-28-20, 16:43
I completely agree Trump is a pathological liar. For the record, NO ONE is blaming the President for the virus. Let me repeat. Coronavirus is not Trump's fault.
Here's a detailed list of what we are blaming him for:
* Trump declined to use the World Health Organization's test like other nations. Back in January, over a month before the first Co-vid19 case, the Chinese posted a new mysterious virus and within a week, Berlin virologists had produced the first diagnostic test. By the end of February, the WHO had shipped out tests to 60 countries. Oh, but not our government. We declined the test even as a temporary bridge until the CDC could create its own test. The question is why? We don't know but what to look for is which pharmaceutical company eventually manufactures the test and who owns the stock. Stay tuned.
* In 2018 Trump fired Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossart, whose job was to coordinate a response to global pandemics. He was not replaced.
* In 2018 Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC director for medical and bio-defense preparedness left the job. Trump did not replace Dr. Borio.
* In 2019 the NSC's Senior Director for Global Health Security and bio-defense, Tim Ziemer, left the position and Trump did not replace the Rear Admiral.
* Trump shut down the entire Global Health Security and Bio-defense agency. Yes, he did.
* Amid the explosive worldwide outbreak of the virus Trump proposed a 19% cut to the budget of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention plus a 10% cut to Public Health Services and a 7% cut to Global Health Services. Those happen to be the organizations that responds to public health threats.
* In 2018, at Trump's direction, the CDC stopped funding epidemic prevention activities in 39 out of 49 countries including China.
* Trump didn't appoint a doctor to oversee the US response to the pandemic. He appointed Mike Pence.
* Trump has on multiple occasions sowed doubt about the severity of the virus even using the word hoax at events and rallies. He even did it at an event where the virus was being spread. Trump has put out zero useful information concerning the health risks of the virus.
* Trump pretended for two months that the virus had been contained.
* Trump left a cruise ship at sea for days, denying them proper hospital care, rather than increase the number of COVID-19 cases in America.
I repeat! We do not blame Trump for the virus. We blame him for gutting the nation's preparations to deal with it. We blame him for bungling testing and allowing it to spread uninhibited. We blame him for wasting taxpayer money on applause lines at his rallies (like The Wall). We blame him for putting his own political life over American human life. I hope this clears things up.America's response has become the LAUGHING STOCK of all the developed countries. This is just another example of why you should not put much faith into government.
Damn, bro. You're one badass cat. Engineer, architect and based on your stated tax payments and how creative you and accountant are, you're knocking down between $500-$800,000 per year. $10 k-$15 k per week. On top of that, you're a combat vet. Also your little sis is also a combat vet who now fights on the front line as a nurse in NJ. And your mom fights on the frontline as a nurse in Mississsippi. And on top off all this, your Special Forces brother is tied for second place for most combat tours of duty in the recorded history of the US.And you shacked up w/that fine ass hooker for 8 months b4 you had to put her out because of her bad habits. You a hard hitting motherfucker. You need your own TV show.I have 3 sisters my baby sister is a combat vet, my oldest sister is a Nurse in NJ. .
I was in the army and spent four weeks at Ft Benning, I wasn't combat arms but am familiar with the breed. Not that I'm accusing you of stolen valor but I'd really like to see a picture of the right sleeve of your Class A's because the soldier who has done the most deployments in the US Army during the current operations did 14. I'm sure there were a few who did 13 and if you did my hats off to you. I say if because it's the internet. Seriously, if you did I won't thank you for your service because people who did that don't do it for the thanks and gratitude for doing what you see as your duty is sort of embarrassing. I know why you did it because it was the same reason I did.Dude I was Air Force. LOL. I was in for 4 years Davis-Monthan AFB from 1999 to 2002 (approximately 1 month of Basic in TX and 8 months of Tech school at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS before 1st duty assignment). My brother is the Green Beret and my baby sister is Air Force Security Forces.
PrinceOfFools
04-28-20, 16:54
I was in the army and spent four weeks at Ft Benning, I wasn't combat arms but am familiar with the breed. Not that I'm accusing you of stolen valor but I'd really like to see a picture of the right sleeve of your Class A's because the soldier who has done the most deployments in the US Army during the current operations did 14. I'm sure there were a few who did 13 and if you did my hats off to you. I say if because it's the internet. Seriously, if you did I won't thank you for your service because people who did that don't do it for the thanks and gratitude for doing what you see as your duty is sort of embarrassing. I know why you did it because it was the same reason I did.Not to defend this dude, but outside of the main Army most folks did 4-6 month deployments. I was attached to Marines, a SF unit, a Civil Affairs unit, and an infantry unit over the course of 13 months for varying lengths of time. Marines were there for 6 months, the next 2 for 4 months, the last one had a full year like I did. The marine unit rotated out 3 times while I was there, the guys that were leaving when I got there showed back up when I was leaving. Some of the EOD guys I worked with were on deployment #3 and this was 2005.
Plisknoob1
04-28-20, 18:12
It's fine, its your freedom of speech that I fought for and that my brother (special forces 13 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan)Ok meal team 6.
Post a pic of your dd 214 with your personal information blacked out. I want to see 11 b /18 x under column 11.
Dude I was Air Force. LOL. I was in for 4 years Davis-Monthan AFB from 1999 to 2002 (approximately 1 month of Basic in TX and 8 months of Tech school at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS before 1st duty assignment). My brother is the Green Beret and my baby sister is Air Force Security Forces.Most of us understood your post about your family's military service record. Personally, I love to pick on Air Farce (not a misspelling) personnel because they lived in dorms, not barracks, and those dorms had carpet, not tiled floors that required constant maintenance to shine. We Army guys had a chow hall with semi-shitty food. Marines? Worse, but I won't delve into my first enlistment which included funerals for sand fleas at Parris Island.
Years later, I went to a strategy / leadership school at an AFB and couldn't believe the difference. In addition to better living arrangements, the "dining hall" was more like a restaurant. We could actually have seconds and food choices and quality were exceptional, compared with what I was used to. Yet the biggest shock came when I finished eating and brought my tray back to the kitchen area where one separates utensils, plates, etc, into separate bins (Army protocol) because the amused and befuddled contractor kitchen staff informed me (amongst giggles) that I SHOULD have left it on the table as someone would have picked it up. Well, excuse me and fuck me running. Learned after it was way too late that the Air Farce receives a much bigger budget than does either the Army or Marines. I was given shitty, pre-enlistment advice.
Leave you with this, an excerpt from an Army marching song affectionately sung on AF bases: "Zoomie zoomie, don't feel blue, Peter Pan was a fairy too!" Not sure why that suddenly popped into my head after 40 years, but it did.
Turd rant over.
Most of us understood your post about your family's military service record. Personally, I love to pick on Air Farce (not a misspelling) personnel because they lived in dorms, not barracks, and those dorms had carpet, not tiled floors that required constant maintenance to shine. We Army guys had a chow hall with semi-shitty food. Marines? Worse, but I won't delve into my first enlistment which included funerals for sand fleas at Parris Island.
Years later, I went to a strategy / leadership school at an AFB and couldn't believe the difference. In addition to better living arrangements, the "dining hall" was more like a restaurant. We could actually have seconds and food choices and quality were exceptional, compared with what I was used to. Yet the biggest shock came when I finished eating and brought my tray back to the kitchen area where one separates utensils, plates, etc, into separate bins (Army protocol) because the amused and befuddled contractor kitchen staff informed me (amongst giggles) that I SHOULD have left it on the table as someone would have picked it up. Well, excuse me and fuck me running. Learned after it was way too late that the Air Farce receives a much bigger budget than does either the Army or Marines. I was given shitty, pre-enlistment advice.
Leave you with this, an excerpt from an Army marching song affectionately sung on AF bases: "Zoomie zoomie, don't feel blue, Peter Pan was a fairy too!" Not sure why that suddenly popped into my head after 40 years, but it did.
Turd rant over.Everything you said was factually accurate! Especially the Chow Hall part.
Sgt Lurker
04-28-20, 22:49
Everything you said was factually accurate! Especially the Chow Hall part.And you know what they say, the Air Force is the social club of the defense department. No HVAC to staying.
Marines? Worse, but i won't delve into my first enlistment which included funerals for sand fleas at parris island.
Turd rant over.Gnats!.
IBM.
Everything you said was factually accurate! Especially the Chow Hall partWhat was incorrect about the chow hall part?
What was incorrect about the chow hall part?Nothing, I said you were especially accurate about the Chow Hall part. If I were to have any correction we called it the dining facility. LOL!!
Nothing, I said you were especially accurate about the Chow Hall part. If I were to have any correction we called it the dining facility. LOL!!Yeah, I misread your comment. At the start of my career, it was called the mess hall, although some called it a chow hall. Years later, the Army decided to start calling them dining facilities. Nothing to do with quality had improved though. The Air Farce guys didn't know how good they had it.
People Pleasur
04-29-20, 16:50
Yes, I asked about Vicki and Sara. You didn't provide a single piece of credible information about either of them. How can I call them if I don't have their correct numbers? The phone number you gave me for one of the women went to an old Asian Apartment ad (nobody answered). The other number you gave me for the other woman was a NY number. Nobody answered that number either.
What I've learned from you is that you're a board troll who writes cryptic, useless shit.+1. This guy frustrates me more than the guys who ask about 10 different providers and contribute no reviews of their own.
+1. This guy frustrates me more than the guys who ask about 10 different providers and contribute no reviews of their own.I wonder if he even bothers to send his favorite butthole greaser a Dollar Store birthday card. Nah, I bet not.
Ok meal team 6.
Post a pic of your dd 214 with your personal information blacked out. I want to see 11 b /18 x under column 11Meal Team 6? That's absolutely brilliant. Many moons ago, a poster on this board claimed to be 'Naval SEAL. ' Sounds like a belly button fetish. Still cracks me up.
Gnats!.
IBM.That too. At least mosquitoes let you know when they're biting. Gnat do not.
I'm wondering how my uppercase Parris Island turned into a lowercase parris island from your reply. More unwanted, autocorrect shit?
That too. At least mosquitoes let you know when they're biting. Gnat do not.
I'm wondering how my uppercase Parris Island turned into a lowercase parris island from your reply. More unwanted, autocorrect shit?Auto Correct! Even after correcting it. Also, let's not forget about the giant horse flys.
IBM.
Sgt Lurker
04-29-20, 21:39
Ok meal team 6.
Post a pic of your dd 214 with your personal information blacked out. I want to see 11 b /18 x under column 11.No, I tell people the wings on my uniform said I was smart and stayed inside the plane.
I completely agree Trump is a pathological liar. For the record, NO ONE is blaming the President for the virus. Let me repeat. Coronavirus is not Trump's fault.
Here's a detailed list of what Im blaming him for:
* Trump declined to use the World Health Organization's test like other nations. Back in January, over a month before the first Co-vid19 case, the Chinese posted a new mysterious virus and within a week, Berlin virologists had produced the first diagnostic test. By the end of February, the WHO had shipped out tests to 60 countries. Oh, but not our government. We declined the test even as a temporary bridge until the CDC could create its own test. The question is why? We don't know but what to look for is which pharmaceutical company eventually manufactures the test and who owns the stock. Stay tuned.
* In 2018 Trump fired Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossart, whose job was to coordinate a response to global pandemics. He was not replaced.
* In 2018 Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC director for medical and bio-defense preparedness left the job. Trump did not replace Dr. Borio.
* In 2019 the NSC's Senior Director for Global Health Security and bio-defense, Tim Ziemer, left the position and Trump did not replace the Rear Admiral.
* Trump shut down the entire Global Health Security and Bio-defense agency. Yes, he did.
* Amid the explosive worldwide outbreak of the virus Trump proposed a 19% cut to the budget of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention plus a 10% cut to Public Health Services and a 7% cut to Global Health Services. Those happen to be the organizations that responds to public health threats.
* In 2018, at Trump's direction, the CDC stopped funding epidemic prevention activities in 39 out of 49 countries including China.
* Trump didn't appoint a doctor to oversee the US response to the pandemic. He appointed VP Mike Pence.
* Trump has on multiple occasions sowed doubt about the severity of the virus even using the word hoax at events and rallies. He even did it at an event where the virus was being spread. Trump has put out zero useful information concerning the health risks of the virus.
* Trump pretended for two months that the virus had been contained.
* Trump left a cruise ship at sea for days, denying them proper hospital care, rather than increase the number of COVID-19 cases in the U.S.
I repeat! I do not blame Trump for the virus. I blame him for gutting the nation's preparations to deal with it. I blame him for bungling testing and allowing it to spread uninhibited. I blame him for wasting taxpayer money on applause lines at his rallies (like The Wall). I blame him for putting his own political life over American human life. I hope this clears things up.
Now heres a shocker, I voted for Trump in 2016, but will NOT vote for him in November.So, you going with Biden, libertarian or a write in?
A fairly consistent way to identify a fake veteran: they claim Seal, SF, "it's classified," or "my records were sealed." Also they'll debate with someone that calls them out. This is how they learn how they train. Any knowledge you challenge them with prepares them for their next duel. Ignore is best. I've yet to meet any real veteran willing to pull out "proof" but all the fakes usually seem to have it within reach at all times.
Ok meal team 6.
Post a pic of your dd 214 with your personal information blacked out. I want to see 11 b /18 x under column 11.
Meal Team 6? That's absolutely brilliant. Many moons ago, a poster on this board claimed to be 'Naval SEAL. ' Sounds like a belly button fetish. Still cracks me up.Are you sure he is not back with a new name? LOL LOL He was a TRIP back then.
Wet Dreams, PW.
SeekingHead
04-30-20, 11:58
I was active duty navy & through some luck plus studying my ass off at A school ended up at a Air Force base as part of a Navy detachment doing comms. Was shocked at the differences between the services. We were treated like human beings, not convicts out on work release to do a job. Every other Friday was surf & turf, the dining facility was not allowed to turn a profit & due to the large amount of TDY's we had coming & going the facility made money. So to break even the Air Force would through a picnic for the permanent party people with surf & turf. The facility was only open for breakfast & lunch, so all of us were on commuted rations.
Sgt Lurker
04-30-20, 13:11
I was active duty navy & through some luck plus studying my ass off at A school ended up at a Air Force base as part of a Navy detachment doing comms. Was shocked at the differences between the services. We were treated like human beings, not convicts out on work release to do a job. Every other Friday was surf & turf, the dining facility was not allowed to turn a profit & due to the large amount of TDY's we had coming & going the facility made money. So to break even the Air Force would through a picnic for the permanent party people with surf & turf. The facility was only open for breakfast & lunch, so all of us were on commuted rations.I was Army, over 23 years in uniform and another 10 as a civilian. If you really want proof of how the USAF is... The best chow hall I ever ate at was the enlisted mess at Pensacola Naval Air near the flight line. The worst was Key West Naval Air station. That place was so bad, the USAF declared it off limits to Air Force personnel and put them all on separate rations to eat elsewhere. I went in for midnight chow one time and they were service scrambled eggs and sauerkraut. That was all in the early '80's.
Nightclubs and Bars can reopen after May 14 unless the Governor decides to extend the order so we will see even if the strip clubs open back up I don't see them getting any business for a long time but then again Atlanta full of Thirsty dudes tho LOL.
HumbertHumbert
05-01-20, 22:51
Hi all. I'd like to hear from some long time players in the game about this one.
I've been seeing this provider for a few months and we've gotten pretty cool with each other.
I use a GV account and have been text only.
Well after a good night I logged back in to see if she's left me sweet nothings as usual.
Well tonight it was about 10 missed calls from her number and a flurry of texts from who I assume is her man saying things like he's going to come to my house. He has a pic of my license from the hotel cameras etc.
Needless to say I've not replied, and unfortunately my time with this provider has come to an end, but I am a little concerned about this.
Has this happened to anyone before? Should I be worried?
She has told me he's a convicted felon with no car no job etc.
I'm hoping he'll just go away now that I've gone away.
I'd appreciate any advise as I'm kind of scared.
Johnny Mapalo
05-02-20, 12:33
Hi all. I'd like to hear from some long time players in the game about this one.
I've been seeing this provider for a few months and we've gotten pretty cool with each other.
I use a GV account and have been text only.
Well after a good night I logged back in to see if she's left me sweet nothings as usual.
Well tonight it was about 10 missed calls from her number and a flurry of texts from who I assume is her man saying things like he's going to come to my house. He has a pic of my license from the hotel cameras etc.
Needless to say I've not replied, and unfortunately my time with this provider has come to an end, but I am a little concerned about this..I once went to see a chic posted on backpage, who was in an apartment in Marietta. About 5 minutes away from her apartment, she text me telling me to not come right now because her "dude" just showed up unexpectantly. Muthafucka! You're trying to get me killed, is what I thought. Well, 15 minutes later, this wench had the nerves to ask me where I was and I let her know how I felt about the situation. She then got angry with me talking about its her place and she runs things in her place. Well, apparently not, you tramp, because your "man" showed up unexpectedly and you know I couldn't show up else it would have been some problems. Smdh.
I even had some dumb broads from Listcrawler, give me a link to their IG or snapchat page for proof of their authenticity, only to see them all over their page with Tyrone Jenkins "their dude" kissing all over them. I'm like bish, what the fuck are you showing me your IG page for when you and your man is kissing and hugging all over the place. These chic's are fucking lunatics. They will get you caught up and could give a damn what kind of trouble it gets you in. Just remember, Bro's before Ho's.
SeekingHead
05-02-20, 13:12
Hi all. I'd like to hear from some long time players in the game about this one.
I've been seeing this provider for a few months and we've gotten pretty cool with each other.
I use a GV account and have been text only.
Well after a good night I logged back in to see if she's left me sweet nothings as usual.
Well tonight it was about 10 missed calls from her number and a flurry of texts from who I assume is her man saying things like he's going to come to my house. He has a pic of my license from the hotel cameras etc.
Needless to say I've not replied, and unfortunately my time with this provider has come to an end, but I am a little concerned about this.
Has this happened to anyone before? Should I be worried?
She has told me he's a convicted felon with no car no job etc.
I'm hoping he'll just go away now that I've gone away.
I'd appreciate any advise as I'm kind of scared.I'd say don't sweat it, his women is out banging multiple dudes for money. He was probably fucked up last night, got ahold of her phone & was venting. Just block the number & move on, I highly doubt he shows up at your house, as this requires either money for a cab or a car, both of which he doesn't have.
100% this, isolate get this fucking thing under control, reopen for business in the middle of July. Once we get the rate down to around 1% we can isolate the pockets & people who are carriers. After this we effectively eliminate the virus, 95% of things return to normal we just don't have church, concerts, large gatherings & sporting events.
Now strip clubs are an essential business & need to re-open asap, plus I need to bang my SB again.It seems like contact tracing is the only reliable way to keep any rebound wave from happening. It worked well in South Korea where they had very aggressive testing and then isolating any person infected and testing close contacts of that person and isolating them if necessary. South Korea rapidly dwindled to almost zero cases within a few weeks.
However, I wonder if federal HIPAA laws would cause major impediment to aggressive contact tracing in the USA? Seems to be violating HIPAA is somebody from the health department calls you and tells that someone you work with just tested positive for COVID. Depending on your work situation, it could be easy to figure out who is infected and then that person's name gets splashed all over social media as somebody to avoid. I could see a lot of people getting upset about this.
It seems like contact tracing is the only reliable way to keep any rebound wave from happening. It worked well in South Korea where they had very aggressive testing and then isolating any person infected and testing close contacts of that person and isolating them if necessary. South Korea rapidly dwindled to almost zero cases within a few weeks.
However, I wonder if federal HIPAA laws would cause major impediment to aggressive contact tracing in the USA? Seems to be violating HIPAA is somebody from the health department calls you and tells that someone you work with just tested positive for COVID. Depending on your work situation, it could be easy to figure out who is infected and then that person's name gets splashed all over social media as somebody to avoid. I could see a lot of people getting upset about this.When people stop acting like Covid is Ebola. So what if there is a rebound wave. 3,000,000 in New York State have recovered from this virus. LA County, Santa Clara, Germany all the places doing antibody testing same result, time and time and time again. . 1% 2% Everybody is going to get this, a couple 100,000 are going to die in the US. That's what it is. Just like on the Theodore Roosevelt so few healthy people under the age of 50 are even going to know they have it, that's how week it will be.
Sweden still under 3,000 deaths even though every other day CNN is publishing articles about their "sky rocketing" infection rate.
I'm not saying it's nothing, it aggressively kills people in risk groups but look up how many people on the Theodore Roosevelt went to the hospital. That was seven weeks after exposure living in a situation where social distancing was impossible.
Look it up, then tell me again why it's so important to aggressively contact trace.
Fuck I can't wait until people just wake the fuck up and start living life again. The hysteria is going to kill so many more people in the third world than would ever have died of the virus.
When people stop acting like Covid is Ebola. So what if there is a rebound wave. 3,000,000 in New York State have recovered from this virus. LA County, Santa Clara, Germany all the places doing antibody testing same result, time and time and time again. . 1% 2% Everybody is going to get this, a couple 100,000 are going to die in the US. That's what it is. Just like on the Theodore Roosevelt so few healthy people under the age of 50 are even going to know they have it, that's how week it will be.
Sweden still under 3,000 deaths even though every other day CNN is publishing articles about their "sky rocketing" infection rate.
I'm not saying it's nothing, it aggressively kills people in risk groups but look up how many people on the Theodore Roosevelt went to the hospital. That was seven weeks after exposure living in a situation where social distancing was impossible.
Look it up, then tell me again why it's so important to aggressively contact trace.
Fuck I can't wait until people just wake the fuck up and start living life again. The hysteria is going to kill so many more people in the third world than would ever have died of the virus.Everything boils down to flattening the curve. If we had 10 X as many hospital beds and ICU beds and 10 X as many doctors and nurses as we do now, then open up the whole country back to normal and who cares about how many people get sick per week. But the bottom line is that we have limited healthcare resources which is the reason we can't afford to overwhelm the system. There are literally HUNDREDS of stories in NYC of sick COVID patients lying around in hospital hallways dying in front of doctors and nurses that were too busy treating other COVID patients. Reports of bodies being stacked 10 high in refrigerated trucks outside funeral homes. So many bodies being cremated that a few ovens broke down. So many dead bodies they were being buried in public landfills with bulldozers. Over 25,000 dead in New York City alone in less than two months!
It makes my blood boil to see these IDIOT protestors with their flak jackets and AR-15's with ZERO fucking clue about what kind of death and carnage is raging out there. Do any of these low IQ fuckers work in a hospital? I would bet anyone $100 they don't, which makes it easy for them to say "OPEN IT ALL BACK UP" because these assholes ain't the ones dealing with the problems on the frontline. If I was the governor in any states with protestors, I would immediately order all hospitals to refuse them healthcare if they get sick with COVID. Teach these ignorant chimps a good lesson about believing in medical experts and not conspiracy theories!
The bottom line is that seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a year in the country but that's for the WHOLE year. COVID-19 has already killed over 70,000 Americans in LESS than two months, and over half of those got sick during total lock downs where as with the flu we never lock anything down. And our national population will NEVER get herd immunity from this thing unless we are willing to tolerate letting it run rampant and unchecked and that is not an option. A vaccine is not realistically expected until next spring at the earliest, and that's assuming all the safety trials go smoothly and it actually works.
Sgt Lurker
05-04-20, 10:00
It seems like contact tracing is the only reliable way to keep any rebound wave from happening. … It makes my blood boil to see these IDIOT protestorsWTH??
Look it up, then tell me again why it's so important to aggressively contact trace. Fuck I can't wait until people just wake the fuck up and start living life again. The hysteria is going to kill so many more people in the third world than would ever have died of the virus.I agree Admin!
Listen to what is being touted, contact tracing the way they are speaking of is nothing short of the type of Big Brother spying movies have been made about. They want to use your cell phones or other technology to know where you have been and possibly even a vaccine card you have to carry around with you? This country was founded on individual freedom and responsibility not the land of the oppressed. These protesters are exercising their constitutional rights to protest ridiculous rules. It has been stated that many surgeries that can help people live longer and healthier have been shut down, so how many have died as a result? These morons have made people suffering serious diseases and injuries from going to an ER out of fear. We must stop the fear-mongering and get on with knowledge and live life.
Aaron Hamlet
05-04-20, 12:43
Current data shows 14 healthy Georgians under the age of sixty have succumbed to the China Virus. 0.00015555% of all Georgians under the age of 60! I can smell the death from my front porch. If you're healthy and under the age of sixty hide inside your fucking houses or you will die.
Listen to what is being touted, contact tracing the way they are speaking of is nothing short of the type of Big Brother spying movies have been made about. They want to use your cell phones or other technology to know where you have been and possibly even a vaccine card you have to carry around with you? This country was founded on individual freedom and responsibility not the land of the oppressed. These protesters are exercising their constitutional rights to protest ridiculous rules. It has been stated that many surgeries that can help people live longer and healthier have been shut down, so how many have died as a result? These morons have made people suffering serious diseases and injuries from going to an ER out of fear. We must stop the fear-mongering and get on with knowledge and live life.This is why all protestors should be denied healthcare coverage if they get sick from COVID. You don't get to have two sets of rules. You either follow the rules and guidelines of medical EXPERTS and you get healthcare if you get sick, or you flaunt the rules and are DENIED treatment as punishment for your ignorance and "Constitutional rights" to endanger the public with stupidity.
I've had this same attitude towards Anti-Vaxxers for many years. If you're a parent who is stupid enough to believe anti-vaxx nonsense, then you and your child should be DENIED healthcare if your kid gets a horrible communicable disease. Watch your kid die painfully from meningitis and then come tell me about the virtues of anti-vaxxing bullshit.
Yesterday Trump's former FDA commissioner, Scott Gottlieb, told CBS' "Face the Nation" that the new normal is 30,000 new cases of COVID-19 DAILY and 1,000 deaths per day. And that will continue throughout the summer. He expects to get to 100,000 deaths in June. Celebrating the Fourth of July by noting that more Americans have been killed by COVID-19 than in all of World War I (116,708) would be no fun at all. White House coronavirus coordinator Deborah Birx told "Fox News Sunday" yesterday that she is sticking with the initial estimate of 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in total, which is not that different from Gottlieb's prediction if it lasts all year.
To make matters worse, while the number of deaths in New York still leads the pack by a mile, as states in the South reopen, more of the deaths will be coming from Southern states going forward.
Given the incubation period of about 2 weeks, those deaths won't be showing up this week, but by Memorial Day we will likely be seeing plenty of them.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/03/gottlieb_says_coronavirus_mitigation_didnt_work_as_well_as_we_expected_in_reducing_cases.html
The Trump administration is projecting that the United States could see up to 3,000 deaths per day from the coronavirus by June 1, a person familiar with internal documents confirmed to The Hill on Monday.
Data and modeling from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) show that the federal government is expecting the number of cases and deaths associated with the pandemic to continue mounting, even as President Trump and other officials push for states to lift restrictions meant to slow the spread of the virus in favor of reopening businesses.
The New York Times, which was the first to report on the projections,*posted the documents, which show the CDC and Federal Emergency Management Agency forecast a steady increase in the number of new cases per day. *.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-7 b42 d0 f5.
AcWorthDude
05-04-20, 18:19
This is why all protestors should be denied healthcare coverage if they get sick from COVID. You don't get to have two sets of rules. You either follow the rules and guidelines of medical EXPERTS and you get healthcare if you get sick, or you flaunt the rules and are DENIED treatment as punishment for your ignorance and "Constitutional rights" to endanger the public with stupidity.
I've had this same attitude towards Anti-Vaxxers for many years. If you're a parent who is stupid enough to believe anti-vaxx nonsense, then you and your child should be DENIED healthcare if your kid gets a horrible communicable disease. Watch your kid die painfully from meningitis and then come tell me about the virtues of anti-vaxxing bullshit.And by that logic, if you go to a prostitute and catch something you should not be allowed to go to the dr. You knew the risk! And if you have a car wreck and you were speeding or ran a red light or had 1 beer they shod throw your body in a ditch and leave you. You knew the risk.
Seriously, that is the kind of thought that scares me. Pure fucking stupidity. Just as fucking stupid as the parents who won't vaccinate their kids. If those regards want to go out, let em. I will voluntarily stay home and healthy not at the barrel of the government's gun.
And an atlanta councilman was just on the tv talking about standing up against the people leaving their house and showing them he is serious. . that is the kind of authoritarian government you want?
But next month you will be crying that the same government shut down your favorite parlor.
In my opinion. To the people complaining about the protesters asking for their rights and the ones saying that the government should enforce the lock down orders by any means necessary. I truly believe that a very large portion of the population would willingly cram themselves into cattle cars if the government said they were being relocated to a COVID prevention camp.
Current data shows 14 healthy Georgians under the age of sixty have succumbed to the China Virus. 0.00015555% of all Georgians under the age of 60! I can smell the death from my front porch. If you're healthy and under the age of sixty hide inside your fucking houses or you will dieI'm not going to argue your position, as your mind is clearly closed on the subject, but I have to appeal to your tendency to improve your facts by adding needless decimal places. If the numbers you used above are correct, then the population of Georgia is 9,000,321. 44 people. Its not. Its not even 9,000,321. If you are using a rounded off or estimated number in a fraction you cannot run it out 9 decimal places without displaying a bullshit flag along with the rest of your post.
Sgt Lurker
05-05-20, 00:33
In my opinion. To the people complaining about the protesters asking for their rights and the ones saying that the government should enforce the lock down orders by any means necessary. I truly believe that a very large portion of the population would willingly cram themselves into cattle cars if the government said they were being relocated to a COVID prevention camp.That does sum it up very well. We busted out of tyranny 240 years ago, why climb back into it. Because we are afraid? Those who wish to stay cowering behind the safety of their homes are free to do so. The rest of America should take the path the Swedes did and go on about our lives. If I get sick, I get sick. I have only taken 1 flu shot in 30 years and that was out of logic since I was getting on an airplane twice a week for 4 months during the flu season. I have not had the flu in over 30 years.
The biggest difference between the two main factions in America is that one wants believe they should not (whatever) and therefore no else should either. The other side believes, if you don't want to, then fine, but do not prevent me from doing so.
I've had this same attitude towards Anti-Vaxxers for many years. If you're a parent who is stupid enough to believe anti-vaxx nonsense, then you and your child should be DENIED healthcare if your kid gets a horrible communicable disease.
Seriously, that is the kind of thought that scares me. Pure fucking stupidity. Just as fucking stupid as the parents who won't vaccinate their kids.At least you two found something to which you both agree.
Is Covid-19 the most respected Virus? I see hoes on IG that do BBFS wearing face mask. Its so weird to me.
"Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic," the Los Angeles Times reports.
"The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March. ".
"In addition to spreading faster, it may make people vulnerable to a second infection after a first about with the disease. ".
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original
Aaron Hamlet
05-05-20, 09:42
I'm not going to argue your position, as your mind is clearly closed on the subject, but I have to appeal to your tendency to improve your facts by adding needless decimal places. If the numbers you used above are correct, then the population of Georgia is 9,000,321. 44 people. Its not. Its not even 9,000,321. If you are using a rounded off or estimated number in a fraction you cannot run it out 9 decimal places without displaying a bullshit flag along with the rest of your post.Not a position nor is my mind open or closed. Facts. Hard data. Population of Ga is over 10 m w /90% of that being under age of 60. I didn't attempt to improve the facts by adding needless decimal places. My calculator did the figures, I copied. Not 44, but 14 Georgians under age of 60, listed as healthy have succumbed to China Virus. All facts. All data provided by Ga DHS. You're the bullshit flag. Upset that data doesn't support your level of fear. Stay inside or you'll die. That make you feel better?
The latest numbers, by state: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/index.html.
And by that logic, if you go to a prostitute and catch something you should not be allowed to go to the dr. You knew the risk! And if you have a car wreck and you were speeding or ran a red light or had 1 beer they shod throw your body in a ditch and leave you. You knew the risk.
Seriously, that is the kind of thought that scares me. Pure fucking stupidity. Just as fucking stupid as the parents who won't vaccinate their kids. If those regards want to go out, let em. I will voluntarily stay home and healthy not at the barrel of the government's gun.The big difference between me getting an STD or injured in a car wreck is that it is me and me ONLY that has to suffer. It's morons like you and the protesters and anti-vaxxers that not only endanger yourselves but the general public with your ignorance and denial of basic medical facts. You will be running around spreading disease just like the uneducated peasants did during the Black Death. 99% of you idiots don't work in hospitals and ain't seeing the unbridled carnage this virus is causing, so it's easy to strap on a flak jacket and your AR-15 and act like your standing up to the "gubamint" but you're just looking like clueless anti-Americans to the rest of us, which is the 99% majority.
AcWorthDude
05-05-20, 16:34
The big difference between me getting an STD or injured in a car wreck is that it is me and me ONLY that has to suffer. It's morons like you and the protesters and anti-vaxxers that not only endanger yourselves but the general public with your ignorance and denial of basic medical facts. You will be running around spreading disease just like the uneducated peasants did during the Black Death. 99% of you idiots don't work in hospitals and ain't seeing the unbridled carnage this virus is causing, so it's easy to strap on a flak jacket and your AR-15 and act like your standing up to the "gubamint" but you're just looking like clueless anti-Americans to the rest of us, which is the 99% majority.1. Re-read my post. As I said, I am staying safe at home.
2. It's not 99%. You made that # up.
3. The general population catching it are the ones going out not those staying home. So they made their choice.
4. I don't own an ar-15 or flak jacket.
5. When someone goes around banging hookers raw they spread disease, to or from the ones they are doing / who chose to participate in raw. (Kind of like going out in public now) but they will run to an already overcrowded medical system looking for help. Oh, and Aids is 100%death sentanceso much more risky.
6. They are really more of medical guesses or theories or hypothesis. Not facts. So much is still unknown.
Your whole rebuttal was stereotypes and or made up numbers.
We can't have tyranny because of your fear. If you are worried. Stay home. I am.
1. Re-read my post. As I said, I am staying safe at home.
2. It's not 99%. You made that # up.
3. The general population catching it are the ones going out not those staying home. So they made their choice.
4. I don't own an ar-15 or flak jacket.
5. When someone goes around banging hookers raw they spread disease, to or from the ones they are doing / who chose to participate in raw. (Kind of like going out in public now) but they will run to an already overcrowded medical system looking for help. Oh, and Aids is 100%death sentanceso much more risky.
6. They are really more of medical guesses or theories or hypothesis. Not facts. So much is still unknown.
Your whole rebuttal was stereotypes and or made up numbers.
We can't have tyranny because of your fear. If you are worried. Stay home. I am.I agree with a lot of what you said except #5. AIDS is no longer an automatic death sentence. Magic Johnson, for example, got HIV around 1991 or 1992 and is still here, almost 30 years later. HIV / AIDS is under much better control now.
Not a position nor is my mind open or closed. Facts. Hard data. Population of Ga is over 10 m w /90% of that being under age of 60. I didn't attempt to improve the facts by adding needless decimal places. My calculator did the figures, I copied. Not 44, but 14 Georgians under age of 60, listed as healthy have succumbed to China Virus. All facts. All data provided by Ga DHS. You're the bullshit flag. Upset that data doesn't support your level of fear. Stay inside or you'll die. That make you feel better?Maybe you failed to notice that that I didn't attack your position, but merely observed that I thought it had little chance of ever evolving from where it is now. Is that not a fact?
My problem was, and is, with your ignorance of basic math. It doesn't matter what the calculator says if the data that you enter in to it is faulty. You simply cannot round off the population of Georgia to the nearest million or so and provide a statistic based on it with that level of accuracy. GIGO - Garbage In; Garbage Out.
Is Covid-19 the most respected Virus? I see hoes on IG that do BBFS wearing face mask. Its so weird to me.Viruses and other diseases are not respected; they're causes for concern, study and eventual treatment / cures. Your comment suggests fear. Some will fear anything beyond their normal realm and cause panic because they lack logic, common sense and fail to keep up with current events. Those with common sense, self-discipline and education will look at a serious issue calmly, study the fuck out of it, then find a way to mitigate it.
If hoes / hoars and other providers are now wearing face masks (not mask as you said), then it's a good thing. They're possibly preventing their oral spew from "Covid-19-ing" their customers. More likely, they're trying to protect themselves. Can't remember a single time in 40 years of sport fucking where a working girl considered my concerns / feelings ahead of hers.
Reasonable caution in any situation, especially now, is a positive thing. Now only if those "newly cautious" hoes sporting masks would spend more time sanitizing their business areas, for which we'd all be much happier. Nobody likes a rotting crotch.
AcWorthDude
05-05-20, 21:51
I agree with a lot of what you said except #5. AIDS is no longer an automatic death sentence. Magic Johnson, for example, got HIV around 1991 or 1992 and is still here, almost 30 years later. HIV / AIDS is under much better control now.Ahhh. I knew someone would reference him.
You are right. But Not many have the money to spend that he has.
Still I stand by my point. Much more serious, is also a more serious issue for the dr and health care communityand general pop. I would rather catch c19 over aids.
Aaron Hamlet
05-06-20, 09:12
Maybe you failed to notice that that I didn't attack your position, but merely observed that I thought it had little chance of ever evolving from where it is now. Is that not a fact?
My problem was, and is, with your ignorance of basic math. It doesn't matter what the calculator says if the data that you enter in to it is faulty. You simply cannot round off the population of Georgia to the nearest million or so and provide a statistic based on it with that level of accuracy. GIGO - Garbage In; Garbage Out.My numbers are sound and I'm not ignorant of basic math.
You're triggered by facts and by your own age. You're what, 70 years old? Lets call it between 68-72. Puts you in a 90%+ risk group. If you have serious pre-existing conditions, you're in the 95-98% of all who've contracted China virus and suffered bad outcomes. Those under 60 and healthy don't need to cater to a risk group consisting of such a small percent of the whole
Do what you want, but if a man of your age continues to partake in this hobby, you're rolling the China Virus dice. And that's not just for the next few weeks or months, that's for years to come.
My numbers are sound and I'm not ignorant of basic math.
You're triggered by facts and by your own age. You're what, 70 years old? Lets call it between 68-72. Puts you in a 90%+ risk group. If you have serious pre-existing conditions, you're in the 95-98% of all who've contracted China virus and suffered bad outcomes. Those under 60 and healthy don't need to cater to a risk group consisting of such a small percent of the whole
Do what you want, but if a man of your age continues to partake in this hobby, you're rolling the China Virus dice. And that's not just for the next few weeks or months, that's for years to come.Hey, thanks to all for the info, The back and forth and all the OPINIONS are interesting and I guess even with the figures, its still guess work. Soo, in each and all's opinions, at the 85-90% group, if in excellent health, what is the % that one will not survive this world in the coming year and if or not continuing see a few ladies, what % chance of catching this fucking virus?? And what if wearing a mask and not going out anymore than necessary, helps keep from catching it?
Yes and I wish all wet dreams abound! PW.
My numbers are sound and I'm not ignorant of basic math.Oh, but my friend, you are. You are pulling a sample of jelly beans from a jar containing an unknown, but approximate number of them, and declaring that exactly 23.49174820725975% of them are red. Its mathematical bullshit and is done only because you think the number is more compelling than just 23-24%.
As to the age question, are we not a society who is in this together? Or are you just in it for yourself? If society as a whole does not work to slow this thing down until an effective vaccine is developed, you will eventually run out of convenient targets for the disease and it will progress to the next most available population group. Will it only become important when your age group is affected?
Why did we push so hard to contain AIDS when it mostly affected those who were young and gay? It didn't affect us, so why bother?
Like it or not, we are all part of the problem and we must all be part of the solution. Most of us are. We welcome you to join us when you grow up.
Hey, thanks to all for the info, The back and forth and all the OPINIONS are interesting and I guess even with the figures, its still guess work. Soo, in each and all's opinions, at the 85-90% group, if in excellent health, what is the % that one will not survive this world in the coming year and if or not continuing see a few ladies, what % chance of catching this fucking virus?? And what if wearing a mask and not going out anymore than necessary, helps keep from catching it?
Yes and I wish all wet dreams abound! PW.The mask does not prevent you from catching it, or even lower the chance. The mask is to prevent you from spreading it. There are too many vectors for this virus, and this virus is very opportunistic. So catching it is pretty easy. Depending on your body immune system is the determining factor. If you have a normal immune response, probably better than 95% you will survive with just minor symptoms. If your immune system is either compromised, or over reactive then all bets are off. What is still being ignored, is that even if you recover, there will be damage to your organs (lungs, kidneys, heart). So what is long term prospect? That is something that medical science will start looking at after we are past this beginning phase.
Soo, in each and all's opinions, at the 85-90% group, if in excellent health, what is the % that one will not survive this world in the coming year and if or not continuing see a few ladies, what % chance of catching this fucking virus?? And what if wearing a mask and not going out anymore than necessary, helps keep from catching it?Nobody knows. And therein lies the problem. It has been shown that this is a highly contagious disease and that maintaining public health requires public participation. To what end, one again, no-one knows. Keeping it under control until a a vaccine is developed seems to be the best strategy at the moment, but for the third time, no-one knows for sure.
Killing off all the old people is another way to go, but I personally think we can do better. Its called "public health" for a reason.
Wearing a mask and not going out more than possible is NOT guaranteed to keep you safe, but it IS guaranteed to keep you, and everyone else, safer.
No matter how many decimal places they use, no-one can give you exact percentages on anything relating to this disease. Its simply too soon. We can, however, separate the good ideas from the bad ideas and that is the problem the world is facing. When do they overlap? When does the benefit of reopening society become the problem of causing a new wave of disease? And when does the economic hardship of closing society outweigh the increase in deaths that will be caused if you open things up?
If you know ahead of that decision, the answer is easy. But as none of us has that level of clairvoyance, we have to make the best educated guesses that we can.
Oh, but my friend, you are. You are pulling a sample of jelly beans from a jar containing an unknown, but approximate number of them, and declaring that exactly 23.49174820725975% of them are red. Its mathematical bullshit and is done only because you think the number is more compelling than just 23-24%.
As to the age question, are we not a society who is in this together? Or are you just in it for yourself? If society as a whole does not work to slow this thing down until an effective vaccine is developed, you will eventually run out of convenient targets for the disease and it will progress to the next most available population group. Will it only become important when your age group is affected?
Why did we push so hard to contain AIDS when it mostly affected those who were young and gay? It didn't affect us, so why bother?
Like it or not, we are all part of the problem and we must all be part of the solution. Most of us are. We welcome you to join us when you grow up.Damn good response. I also like to look at whole numbers, if possible, not percentages drawn out to the nth degree. That, and a shitload of common sense have always served me well.
Sgt Lurker
05-06-20, 23:04
Oh, but my friend, you are. You are pulling a sample of jelly beans from a jar containing an unknown, but approximate number of them, and declaring that exactly 23.49174820725975% of them are red. Its mathematical bullshit and is done only because you think the number is more compelling than just 23-24%.
As to the age question, are we not a society who is in this together? Or are you just in it for yourself? If society as a whole does not work to slow this thing down until an effective vaccine is developed, you will eventually run out of convenient targets for the disease and it will progress to the next most available population group. Will it only become important when your age group is affected?
Why did we push so hard to contain AIDS when it mostly affected those who were young and gay? It didn't affect us, so why bother?
Like it or not, we are all part of the problem and we must all be part of the solution. Most of us are. We welcome you to join us when you grow up.Vaccines do not magically appear and we cannot stay locked down that long. They call it a Flu Vaccine but it really isn't vaccine in the same sense as the polio or measles vaccines. The flu is only for a certain strain that year and is far from 100% effective and I do not intend to get stuck every year on a vaccine that may or may not prevent it. The shelter in place was to flatten the curve so as to not overwhelm the health care industry and we have done that! Mission accomplished. Let's get back on with life and those who wish to hide in their homes are free to do so.
Vaccines do not magically appear and we cannot stay locked down that long.Both of these statements are true. It will take time to develop a vaccine and society must and will reopen before one is developed. The important consideration, however, is that this virus is not just another flu. It is far more contagious and continues to spread despite the rather draconian measures that we have taken to date.
Giving up now, however, is not the answer. While scientists are working on a vaccine based solution, it is incumbent on the rest of us to buy them time. The problem is to balance personal and economic freedoms with the sacrifices necessary to slow this thing down to a manageable level. Do I have all the answers? Certainly not. I doubt I know all the questions.
But I do know that unless we work together until we get this thing under control, we as a society will allow it to get much worse. 1 1/4 million cases and 75,000 dead in the US in the last two months is not something we should be ignoring. We should work to gradually and safely reopen the economy, but be ever mindful that it may cause an entire new wave of the disease.
Vaccines do not magically appear and we cannot stay locked down that long. They call it a Flu Vaccine but it really isn't vaccine in the same sense as the polio or measles vaccines. The flu is only for a certain strain that year and is far from 100% effective and I do not intend to get stuck every year on a vaccine that may or may not prevent it. The shelter in place was to flatten the curve so as to not overwhelm the health care industry and we have done that! Mission accomplished. Let's get back on with life and those who wish to hide in their homes are free to do so.
FWIW, Forty percent of Americans are clinically obese and another 35% are overweight. Letting COVID run amok would most certainly overwhelm and might even bankrupt our health care system. According to the Newyork times, "More than a month has passed since there was a day with fewer than 1,000 deaths from the virus. Almost every day, at least 25,000 new coronavirus cases are identified, meaning that the total in the United States which has the highest number of known cases in the world with more than a million is expanding by between 2 and 4 percent daily. ".
"Rural towns that one month ago were unscathed are suddenly hot spots for the virus. It is rampaging through nursing homes, meatpacking plants and prisons, killing the medically vulnerable and the poor, and new outbreaks keep emerging in grocery stores, Walmarts or factories, an ominous harbinger of what a full reopening of the economy will bring. ".
Sgt Lurker
05-07-20, 07:56
FWIW, Forty percent of Americans are clinically obese and another 35% are overweight. Letting COVID run amok would most certainly overwhelm and might even bankrupt our health care system. According to the Newyork times, "More than a month has passed since there was a day with fewer than 1,000 deaths from the virus. Almost every day, at least 25,000 new coronavirus cases are identified, meaning that the total in the United States which has the highest number of known cases in the world with more than a million is expanding by between 2 and 4 percent daily. ".
"Rural towns that one month ago were unscathed are suddenly hot spots for the virus. It is rampaging through nursing homes, meatpacking plants and prisons, killing the medically vulnerable and the poor, and new outbreaks keep emerging in grocery stores, Walmarts or factories, an ominous harbinger of what a full reopening of the economy will bring. ".And we have allowed big pharma to redefine obese, high BP, and other things just get us on drugs. Other countries, such as India, laugh at how quick we are to put people on drugs for tests they still consider to be in the normal range. I am not one to typically compare what works in countries the size of some of our average states but Sweden is not in the same boat. Plus, as I have said before, how many people who do have medical conditions are not getting them because the hospitals have shut down a lot of those procedures for now? We are going on 2 months now and some states may keep it another month. Dr Foolish Fauci wants all spectators not allowed in a sports complex this entire year along with concerts and other such things.
If you want to become a brain dead idiot with a brain full of mush, read Rants and Raves! Jesus Christ some of ya'll are ignorant fucks!
FWIW, Forty percent of Americans are clinically obese and another 35% are overweight. Letting COVID run amok would most certainly overwhelm and might even bankrupt our health care system. According to the Newyork times, "More than a month has passed since there was a day with fewer than 1,000 deaths from the virus. Almost every day, at least 25,000 new coronavirus cases are identified, meaning that the total in the United States which has the highest number of known cases in the world with more than a million is expanding by between 2 and 4 percent daily. ".
"Rural towns that one month ago were unscathed are suddenly hot spots for the virus. It is rampaging through nursing homes, meatpacking plants and prisons, killing the medically vulnerable and the poor, and new outbreaks keep emerging in grocery stores, Walmarts or factories, an ominous harbinger of what a full reopening of the economy will bring. ".The New York Times, a former newspaper. Get out of here with your doomsday nonsense. It is so tiring and easy. They have no journalists, only activists and opinionists.
SeekingHead
05-07-20, 09:27
And we have allowed big pharma to redefine obese, high BP, and other things just get us on drugs. Other countries, such as India, laugh at how quick we are to put people on drugs for tests they still consider to be in the normal range. I am not one to typically compare what works in countries the size of some of our average states but Sweden is not in the same boat. Plus, as I have said before, how many people who do have medical conditions are not getting them because the hospitals have shut down a lot of those procedures for now? We are going on 2 months now and some states may keep it another month. Dr Foolish Fauci wants all spectators not allowed in a sports complex this entire year along with concerts and other such things.The 3 big hotspots in Europe have all been traced to sporting events, specifically 3 soccer matches. This is why Dr. Fauci doesn't want to allow spectators.
Sgt Lurker
05-07-20, 09:32
The 3 big hotspots in Europe have all been traced to sporting events, specifically 3 soccer matches. This is why Dr. Fauci doesn't want to allow spectators.You do realize that no spectators equals no money for the team, their employees, etc.
You do realize that no spectators equals no money for the team, their employees, etc.You do realize if we get a second wave of this pandemic everything will shut down again, perhaps for even longer. This equals no money for businesses, teams, employees etc for an even longer period of time.
SeekingHead
05-07-20, 10:37
You do realize that no spectators equals no money for the team, their employees, etc.MLB, college football, NFL, NHL, NBA, & MLS all make a lot of money off of their TV contracts usually exceeding what spectators spend.
Aaron Hamlet
05-07-20, 12:09
As to the age question, are we not a society who is in this together? Or are you just in it for yourself? .Yes we are. But global data shows there is not a one size fits all approach. I'll start with what you need to do:
Based on your age, you're part of the 90% that bad things happen to if they catch the China Virus. Not necessarily death, but bad sick. Hospital. Tubes shoved down your throat. ICU stay. And I'm sure you know that over 100,000 Americans die each year from unrelated virus' caught while in hospital. You're in hospital for simple appendix surgery or to get a new hip and you catch a virus floating around in the hospital that kills you. Tragic. Depending on your pre-existing conditions, if any, overweight, morbidly obese, elevated blood pressure or hypertension, diabetes or pre-diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular disease, etc. , your age combined with one, two or many of those, you are now in the 95-99% of those who bad things happen to if they catch China Virus. That 95-99% is only a percentage of those known tested positive for virus, not of the whole. Estimates range from 5-40% of all have had China virus. Depending on that actual figure, even at the lowest estimate you'd have to multiple, thin the existing data by 15 x which puts the percent of Americans at grave risk from China Virus so low, w / many zeroes to the right of the decimal point followed by a long chain of numbers, that if I posted that, you would run to your kitchen and shove so many of the aforementioned jelly beans down your throat that you'd puke. They're no good for you anyway, pure sugar, if you are diabetic, pre-diabetic they'll kill you.
Pertaining to this hobby, what you need to do whether it's a massage parlor girl, a crack / heroin addict at the Red Roof or a $1,000 sugar baby co-ed, based on your age with or w / o pre-existing conditions, you need to be very careful. They're up close and personal w / many, most likely passing China Virus back and forth from asymptomatic to asymptomatic. A Petri dish if you will. A month or so ago, someone of natl. Prominence called for 12-24 month lockdown of the US. An ignorant fear monger of course, but his point had validity for those at high risk like yourself. China Virus isn't going to disappear. Weaken yes. But those at high risk, those who China Virus seeks out and hurts bad will still be at risk while a fraction of a percent of the rest of us won't be. So you need to be careful w / that activity for years to come.
You should stay inside as much as possible. When you go out for groceries or whatever, you need to wear a mask. A certified N95 mask. One not from China because many of those are counterfeits. An N95 can actually filter out the China Virus microbes. A bandanna, painter's mask from Lowe's do nothing but jeopardize the health of a man your age. Make your heart and lungs work harder and you just breathe in and out, in and out, virus' you already carry. Make you sick. You also need to wear latex gloves. Order a case and throw away after each use. China Virus can live for days on cardboard. You're at the grocery store, pick up a box of Metamucil that someone who has virus just touched, you rub an eye, pick your nose and you've become infected. China Virus can live for weeks if not months on plastics, plastic laminates, stainless steel. Surfaces that exist on sales counters, reception stations, Dr. 's offices, that cold steel table in the exam room, etc. That again carries the same risk for years to come.
Depending on your living situation, you may need to mask and glove up at home also. Your son, grandson, great grandson lives with you. He's doing his thing, feels great. No problems. But he could be a asymptomatic carrier of the China virus. You ask him to pass the salt, you touch that shared surface then lick that BBQ sauce from your fingers and you've become infected. Faucets, toilets, countertops, fridge doors, etc. All pose the same risk to you. For years to come as previously stated.
What I and others in my shared demographic need to do:
Basically whatever the fuck we want to do. If under the age of 60. Feel great. No known serious pre-existing conditions. Bang hookers. Eat at dine in restaurants. Don't wear a mask or gloves. But don't shake hands. If I see an elderly person like yourself, I give them space for their benefit, not mine. But tests show passing someone on the street or in an enclosed environment, China Virus won't leap off them and onto you over those brief seconds. This type of behavior among those in low risk group is what someone like yourself in a high risk group should encourage. You lay low. Let the rest get on fully with their lives and work toward weakening the virus so all are at lower risk. They'll be an uptick in cases and deaths as this happens. But many claim those deaths, serious case, would've occurred anyway. They've only been delayed and possibly increased by a lock down that weakens our immunity to all.
To the original question you asked me, 'Or are you just in it for yourself?' I ask you the same. Are you just in this for yourself? Do you seek further job loss, business loss, suicides, homicides, divorces, depression, assaults, food / supply chain disruptions leading to higher price for basic necessities for the 99%+ of the population at extremely low risk at the sole behest of the -1% like yourself at high risk with all based on mis/disinformation?
You and others can read the political propaganda copied and pasted here by some mook. Or the copied and pasted lab reports by some piss ant claiming the China Virus has mutated to an even deadlier version. You can watch some fuckstain on CNN telling you you'll fucking die unless we lock down for years. I could copy and paste multiple sources that claim the exact opposite of all. But I don't. I don't even have cable. All posts I've made on the China Virus have been fact based and data driven. Not opinions based on a political or selfish aim.
I've provided you with an excellent fact based, brief yet thorough snapshot of where we as a society, as individual parts of the whole are right now. If facts and data changes tomorrow, next week or next month, so will I. But if or when that happens, we have nothing left to discuss.
AcWorthDude
05-07-20, 12:29
Yes we are. But global data shows there is not a one size fits all approach. So here's what you need to do:
Based on your age, you're part of the 90% that bad things happen to if they catch the China Virus. Not necessarily death, but bad sick. Hospital. Tubes shoved down your throat. ICU stay. And I'm sure you know that over 100,000 Americans die each year from unrelated virus' caught while in hospital. You're in hospital for simple appendix surgery or to get a new hip and you catch a virus floating around in the hospital that kills you. Tragic. Depending on your pre-existing conditions, if any, overweight, morbidly obese, elevated blood pressure or hypertension, diabetes or pre-diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular disease, etc. , your age combined with one, two or many of those, you are now in the 95-99% of those who bad things happen to if they catch China Virus. That 95-99% is only a percentage of those known tested positive for virus, not of the whole. Estimates range from 5-40% of all have had China virus. Depending on that actual figure, even at the lowest estimate you'd have to multiple, thin the existing data by 15 x which puts the percent of Americans at grave risk from China Virus so low, w / many zeroes to the right of the decimal point followed by a long chain of numbers, that if I posted that, you would run to your kitchen and shove so many of the aforementioned jelly beans down your throat that you'd puke. They're no good for you anyway, pure sugar, if you are diabetic, pre-diabetic they'll kill you.
Pertaining to this hobby, what you need to do whether it's a massage parlor girl, a crack / heroin addict at the Red Roof or a $1,000 sugar baby co-ed, based on your age with or w / o pre-existing conditions, you need to be very careful. They're up close and personal w / many, most likely passing China Virus back and forth from asymptomatic to asymptomatic. A Petri dish if you will. A month or so ago, someone of natl. Prominence called for 12-24 month lockdown of the US. An ignorant fear monger of course, but his point had validity for those at high risk like yourself. China Virus isn't going to disappear. Weaken yes. But those at high risk, those who China Virus seeks out and hurts bad will still be at risk while a fraction of a percent of the rest of us won't be. So you need to be careful w / that activity for years to come.
You should stay inside as much as possible. When you go out for groceries or whatever, you need to wear a mask. A certified N95 mask. One not from China because many of those are counterfeits. An N95 can actually filter out the China Virus microbes. A bandanna, painter's mask from Lowe's do nothing but jeopardize the health of a man your age. Make your heart and lungs work harder and you just breathe in and out, in and out, virus' you already carry. Make you sick. You also need to wear latex gloves. Order a case and throw away after each use. China Virus can live for days on cardboard. You're at the grocery store, pick up a box of Metamucil that someone who has virus just touched, you rub an eye, pick your nose and you've become infected. China Virus can live for weeks if not months on plastics, plastic laminates, stainless steel. Surfaces that exist on sales counters, reception stations, Dr. 's offices, that cold steel table in the exam room, etc. That again carries the same risk for years to come.
Depending on your living situation, you may need to mask and glove up at home also. Your son, grandson, great grandson lives with you. He's doing his thing, feels great. No problems. But he could be a asymptomatic carrier of the China virus. You ask him to pass the salt, you touch that shared surface then lick that BBQ sauce from your fingers and you've become infected. Faucets, toilets, countertops, fridge doors, etc. All pose the same risk to you. For years to come as previously stated.
What I and others in my shared demographic need to do:
Basically whatever the fuck we want to do. If under the age of 60. Feel great. No known serious pre-existing conditions. Bang hookers. Eat at dine in restaurants. Don't wear a mask or gloves. But don't shake hands. If I see an elderly person like yourself, I give them space for their benefit, not mine. But tests show passing someone on the street or in an enclosed environment, China Virus won't leap off them and onto you over those brief seconds. This type of behavior among those in low risk group is what someone like yourself in a high risk group should encourage. You lay low. Let the rest get on fully with their lives and work toward weakening the virus so all are at lower risk. They'll be an uptick in cases and deaths as this happens. But many claim those deaths, serious case, would've occurred anyway. They've only been delayed and possibly increased by a lock down that weakens our immunity to all.
To the original question you asked me, 'Or are you just in it for yourself?' I ask you the same. Are you just in this for yourself? Do you seek further job loss, business loss, suicides, homicides, divorces, depression, assaults, food / supply chain disruptions leading to higher price for basic necessities for the 99%+ of the population at extremely low risk at the sole behest of the -1% like yourself at high risk with all based on mis/disinformation?
You and others can read the political propaganda copied and pasted here by some mook. Or the copied and pasted lab reports by some piss ant claiming the China Virus has mutated to an even deadlier version. You can watch some fuckstain on CNN telling you you'll fucking die unless we lock down for years. I could copy and paste multiple sources that claim the exact opposite of all. But I don't. I don't even have cable. All posts I've made on the China Virus have been fact based and data driven. Not opinions based on a political or selfish aim.
I've provided you with an excellent fact based, brief yet thorough snapshot of where we as a society, as individual parts of the whole are right now. If facts and data changes tomorrow, next week or next month, so will I. But if or when that happens, we have nothing left to discuss.Excellent post.
JeffInnAtlanta
05-07-20, 13:08
MLB, college football, NFL, NHL, NBA, & MLS all make a lot of money off of their TV contracts usually exceeding what spectators spend.The LEAGUES make most of the money from TV contracts, contracts that are already in place and are not up for re-negotiation this year or next. The TEAMS make money from ticket sales, concessions, parking, and seat licences, as well as a percentage of the TV contracts. So not having fans will hurt the franchises. Vendors. Workers that spend their game days selling beer and whatnot in the stadiums. Sports bars that show the games (NFL and maybe MLS) and draw droves of fans for games. The leagues will make the same because they are obligated to provide a product (set number of games) to be aired for an already negotiated contract. The networks will charge higher rates for their advertising during those games and make more (it's a guess how much more) money for those 30 and 60 second ads in front of a captive and entertainment starved audience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_broadcasting_contracts_in_the_United_States
RedneckStud
05-07-20, 13:19
Do anyone ***** about the complete loss of talent, at least in the area of Happy Ending massages? Ten years ago there was a plethora of ladies that would give an awesome massage and happily grab your weiner at the end. Some were more than happy to let you blow as many loads as you could shoot.
I look at other areas of the country, and there seem to be a lot of these types of ladies working. And good looking ones, too. What the fuck happened to Atlanta?
HobbyMan51
05-07-20, 13:47
You do realize if we get a second wave of this pandemic everything will shut down again, perhaps for even longer. This equals no money for businesses, teams, employees etc for an even longer period of time.And you do realize that if we shut ourselves down again, having given absolutely no thought to any reaction other than economic suicide, that the only country left to us will be one of mass bloodletting in the streets? We are close to that now. Some of you either seem to want that or you are so myopic that you will allow no other alternative. I refuse to believe that we cannot handle this virus without committing economic suicide. I refuse to believe that we cannot provide safety for the most vulnerable among us AND have economic stability at the same time. I do NOT understand why it must be one or the other, with economic suicide being the far worse alternative. Tell me why a shutdown of 24,12, or even 6 months is sustainable to some of you out there? What we have done to ourselves these past few months cannot, CANNOT, happen again. If it does, the blood on the hands will be on the hands of those of you who insisted on yet another mindless shutdown with no other alternatives allowed. For some of you bad asses out there, think long and hard about insisting on another shutdown because there will be at least an equal number of bad asses out here who will oppose you. This is not kid's stuff anymore. This is getting really real now. We had a revolution in 1776. We had a Civil War in the 1860's. Another bloody catastrophe is entirely possible in the here and now. I and many others seek compromise. Many of you do not. History tells us how that usually turns out. Make up your minds. We can go either way. Think about it, and I do mean really, really think about it.
JeffInnAtlanta
05-07-20, 13:47
I've provided you with an excellent fact based, brief yet thorough snapshot of where we as a society, as individual parts of the whole are right now. If facts and data changes tomorrow, next week or next month, so will I. But if or when that happens, we have nothing left to discuss.
Excellent post.Though I disagree with the way Aaron interprets the facts and the decision he makes based on those facts, he's not wrong. Except for his definition of brief. I thought it was a Johnny Mapalo post at first.
There's no black and white here. Stay completely closed and the economy dies. Open up completely and you save jobs and get the economy going, and people (a lot more) will die. There is a spot in the gray area between that will save jobs and save lives, but some jobs and some lives will (and have already been) lost. The problem is people are too busy fighting over what suits them best and they don't take the time to see the big picture. And no one knows for sure what this virus really is or does. No one is completely wrong here, everyone is just basing their decisions on their point of view and their (limited) knowledge of how many people this virus has infected and killed. Like the 7 blind men and the elephant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant.
I look at it like this. This virus is killing people with underlying conditions at a higher rate than healthy people. Without solid testing and true and honest accounting we don't know the real numbers. So those of you that think the pandemic is a scam or not a threat you, go out there do your thing. The president assures us we have this thing under control and we have enough ventilators and PPE so that anyone that does get Covid-19 will be nursed back to health. I believe that this is Darwinism at it's finest. If you want to get out there and do your thing more power to ya. Roll those dice with your life and health on the table. When those people start getting sick and dying they have only themselves to blame.
Ever see a picture of those acres of graves at Arlington or WW II era grave sites in Europe? I wonder how long before we see those here in the US. I know, some of you don't believe that will come to pass. Do me a favor and PM me your list of UTRs before you go out. Have all the fun you can stand out there. I will keep sheltering and working from home until this things sorts itself out.
Good luck either way.
Sgt Lurker
05-07-20, 14:41
Though I disagree with the way Aaron interprets the facts and the decision he makes based on those facts, he's not wrong. Except for his definition of brief. I thought it was a Johnny Mapalo post at first.
There's no black and white here. Stay completely closed and the economy dies. Open up completely and you save jobs and get the economy going, and people (a lot more) will die. There is a spot in the gray area between that will save jobs and save lives, but some jobs and some lives will (and have already been) lost. The problem is people are too busy fighting over what suits them best and they don't take the time to see the big picture. And no one knows for sure what this virus really is or does. No one is completely wrong here, everyone is just basing their decisions on their point of view and their (limited) knowledge of how many people this virus has infected and killed. Like the 7 blind men and the elephant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant.
Ever see a picture of those acres of graves at Arlington or WW II era grave sites in Europe? I wonder how long before we see those here in the US. I know, some of you don't believe that will come to pass. Do me a favor and PM me your list of UTRs before you go out. Have all the fun you can stand out there. I will keep sheltering and working from home until this things sorts itself out.
Good luck either way.It's not the military graves but the ones like a whole row at Marietta where kids died during the Spanish Flu of 1918 era. BUT, we have much better medicine these days and, for the most part, the young survive quite quickly. I am not saying the virus is a scam, I am saying that Fed, CDC, and thereby the states have admitted to fudging the numbers of COVID deaths to increase the fear. It does not increase the pandemic, only the fear. They have straight out admitted regardless of the true cause of death, anyone dying with COVID gets counted as a COVID death and that tells me I cannot trust their numbers. Plus there are too many in government who sound like they would sacrifice their own mother to ruin what was a booming economy just to try and make Trump look bad.
Happy Hunting and Stay Safe. But use your own discretion and common sense and stop letting others think for you.
Except the understanding of what happens if we open the economy and the number of people dying jumps to 3 K or more every day. If that happens the economy dies, because this economy is driven on consumer consumption. If the death rate spikes and climbs, people will again retreat to their homes, businesses will die from the lack of customers. Corporations like Boeing, Ford, GM, and their associated suppliers will die. Airlines like Delta, AA, United, Southwest will die, and their associated suppliers. Everyone seems to think that this issue is one of public health versus economic health. It's not, don't even try to conflate the two. If people do not feel safe, they will not go to work, they will not buy cars, refrigerators, houses. They will not travel. The virus drives how the consumer will act. Not even the 1918 pandemic had this much of an impact, but in our globalized world economy of the 21st century it does. Even if everything goes right, and right now its not. Most economists see unemployment staying about 10% or more for years. That is 15 to 20 million unemployed people.
And just to give prospective to how devastating this virus has been to the economy. The month of April unemployment wiped out all the jobs created since the Great Recession. Think about that and we know those numbers are under reported, because most state DOL can't handle the number of applications for UI.
It's not the military graves but the ones like a whole row at Marietta where kids died during the Spanish Flu of 1918 era. BUT, we have much better medicine these days and, for the most part, the young survive quite quickly. I am not saying the virus is a scam, I am saying that Fed, CDC, and thereby the states have admitted to fudging the numbers of COVID deaths to increase the fear. It does not increase the pandemic, only the fear. They have straight out admitted regardless of the true cause of death, anyone dying with COVID gets counted as a COVID death and that tells me I cannot trust their numbers. Plus there are too many in government who sound like they would sacrifice their own mother to ruin what was a booming economy just to try and make Trump look bad.
Happy Hunting and Stay Safe. But use your own discretion and common sense and stop letting others think for you.If anything the numbers have been downplayed. And a big part of that is the Federal Government, CDC and NIH. Here is the Orange Turd, doing it for political reasons.
But accurate numbers are anywhere for 1 to 8 weeks behind. Most reported deaths are those they can directly attribute to Covid19. The real number where Covid19 was a contributing factor and is reported incorrectly is probably higher by as much as 30% according to some reports.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20) 30933-8/ fulltext.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html
HobbyMan51
05-07-20, 23:01
Except the understanding of what happens if we open the economy and the number of people dying jumps to 3 K or more every day. If that happens the economy dies, because this economy is driven on consumer consumption. If the death rate spikes and climbs, people will again retreat to their homes, businesses will die from the lack of customers. Corporations like Boeing, Ford, GM, and their associated suppliers will die. Airlines like Delta, AA, United, Southwest will die, and their associated suppliers. Everyone seems to think that this issue is one of public health versus economic health. It's not, don't even try to conflate the two. If people do not feel safe, they will not go to work, they will not buy cars, refrigerators, houses. They will not travel. The virus drives how the consumer will act. Not even the 1918 pandemic had this much of an impact, but in our globalized world economy of the 21st century it does. Even if everything goes right, and right now its not. Most economists see unemployment staying about 10% or more for years. That is 15 to 20 million unemployed people.
And just to give prospective to how devastating this virus has been to the economy. The month of April unemployment wiped out all the jobs created since the Great Recession. Think about that and we know those numbers are under reported, because most state DOL can't handle the number of applications for UIThe virus has not been devastating to the economy. Our blind, panic-stricken response to the virus has been devastating to the economy, aided and abetted by the fear mongering media and agenda pushing hacks from both the political and medical opportunists. If fear continues to prevail then we are finished both as a society and as a nation. It's up to us as to what we will and won't continue to accept. That will determine whether we survive or not. It won't be some third rate virus that kills us, it will be us that kills us.
If anything the numbers have been downplayed. And a big part of that is the Federal Government, CDC and NIH. Here is the Orange Turd, doing it for political reasons.
But accurate numbers are anywhere for 1 to 8 weeks behind. Most reported deaths are those they can directly attribute to Covid19. The real number where Covid19 was a contributing factor and is reported incorrectly is probably higher by as much as 30% according to some reports.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20) 30933-8/ fulltext.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.htmlHere's the bottom line: if we live in fear of this virus for much longer, we will destroy the economic foundation of the greatest nation on earth. The ramifications of that destruction will dwarf the impact of the virus, even if the virus is left unchecked with no mitigation. That's fact. The best solution is to immediately open up this nation, accept the fact that a statistically very small percentage of our population will get the disease and a much smaller percentage of those infected will die (Less than 2 percent of all infections.) That's a hard choice to make, but it is the ONLY choice.
Think about what it means to have 30 million people apply for unemployment. Entire industries, aviation, gaming (casinos), petroleum, are dying and we cannot print enough money to overcome the damage.
Thankfully, there is hope in fighting the virus. Vaccines can potentially be available by the end of the year (Pfizer, others), we are a smarter, more distanced population, and there are improved therapies.
And, anyone who quotes the blankety-blank NY Times loses all credibility with me. I subscribe to the Times, read it every freaking day, and it is full of the most biased, slanted, often factually inaccurate "reporting:" I've seen in my 50 year media-related career. The Times is a disgrace to journalism.
Oh, and whoever called the president an "orange turd. " You are completely lacking in originality, and be glad you have him as president. You know why there's even a chance of a vaccine by the end of the year? Because Trump jawboned the health care companies, the FDA, to make it happen.
Please if anyone feels at risk, stay home. Just don't expect taxpayers to send you another damn 1200 bucks.
Let's get back to work. Now.
Here's the bottom line: if we live in fear of this virus for much longer, we will destroy the economic foundation of the greatest nation on earth. The ramifications of that destruction will dwarf the impact of the virus, even if the virus is left unchecked with no mitigation. That's fact. The best solution is to immediately open up this nation, accept the fact that a statistically very small percentage of our population will get the disease and a much smaller percentage of those infected will die (Less than 2 percent of all infections.) That's a hard choice to make, but it is the ONLY choice.
Think about what it means to have 30 million people apply for unemployment. Entire industries, aviation, gaming (casinos), petroleum, are dying and we cannot print enough money to overcome the damage.
Thankfully, there is hope in fighting the virus. Vaccines can potentially be available by the end of the year (Pfizer, others), we are a smarter, more distanced population, and there are improved therapies.
And, anyone who quotes the blankety-blank NY Times loses all credibility with me. I subscribe to the Times, read it every freaking day, and it is full of the most biased, slanted, often factually inaccurate "reporting:" I've seen in my 50 year media-related career. The Times is a disgrace to journalism.
Oh, and whoever called the president an "orange turd. " You are completely lacking in originality, and be glad you have him as president. You know why there's even a chance of a vaccine by the end of the year? Because Trump jawboned the health care companies, the FDA, to make it happen.
Please if anyone feels at risk, stay home. Just don't expect taxpayers to send you another damn 1200 bucks.
Let's get back to work. Now.When COVID-19 first appeared on the horizon, Trump could have made different choices in terms of taking it seriously and responding aggressively in the early going. Instead, he downplayed and denied until it was too late, and since then he's spent most of his time chasing his ass. Hence the grade of D- awarded by Melinda Gates, who knows a thing or two about pandemics, to the administration for its handling of the coronavirus.
For some indication as to how things might have gone if Trump had taken a different course, look no further than Germany. There, Angela Merkel was a lame duck who was sinking into the muck before COVID-19 hit. But now, thanks to her effective handling of the pandemic, her approval rating has surged, and she looks set to end her time in office on a high note. Oh, and because COVID-19 infections are on the downswing in Germany (truly on the downswing, not wishful-thinking on the downswing), Germany is moving forward with reopening, with substantial PUBLIC buy-in. It wasn't long ago that the President of the United States was regarded as the leader of the free world, but these days that title may have been ceded to the Chancellor of Germany.
Sgt Lurker
05-08-20, 07:31
When COVID-19 first appeared on the horizon, Trump could have made different choices in terms of taking it seriously and responding aggressively in the early going. Instead, he downplayed and denied until it was too late, and since then he's spent most of his time chasing his ass. Hence the grade of D- awarded by Melinda Gates, who knows a thing or two about pandemics, to the administration for its handling of the coronavirus.
.Please tell us why, when he started imposing restrictions such as banning flights from China and telling people to start avoiding large crowds, Pelosi went to China Town of SF and told people to come out out and that Trump was nuts? DeBlasio did the same thing in NYC?
We were and still are being lied to from China. You are doing nothing more than Monday Morning quarterbacking. This should not be about hate Trump and destroy the economy and promise some form of safety in exchange for our liberty. I want liberty far more than their brand of safety.
Please tell us why, when he started imposing restrictions such as banning flights from China and telling people to start avoiding large crowds, Pelosi went to China Town of SF and told people to come out out and that Trump was nuts? DeBlasio did the same thing in NYC?
We were and still are being lied to from China. You are doing nothing more than Monday Morning quarterbacking. This should not be about hate Trump and destroy the economy and promise some form of safety in exchange for our liberty. I want liberty far more than their brand of safety.Let's clear the air about the flights from China.
1. It was flights, not people.
2. If a infected person had a layover in say Japan, S. Korea, Singapore that was fine.
3. As most epidemiologist noted, he close the front door and left the back door open to Europe. Guess where the infections on the East coast came from?
Honestly the federal response to this entire virus as been one fuck up after another. Our daily death rate has already hit 3 k and that is before the effects of reopening has been felt. When it hits 5 K by the end of May, will people start taking it seriously?
Sgt Lurker
05-08-20, 12:17
Let's clear the air about the flights from China.
1. It was flights, not people.
2. If a infected person had a layover in say Japan, S. Korea, Singapore that was fine.
3. As most epidemiologist noted, he close the front door and left the back door open to Europe. Guess where the infections on the East coast came from?
Honestly the federal response to this entire virus as been one fuck up after another. Our daily death rate has already hit 3 k and that is before the effects of reopening has been felt. When it hits 5 K by the end of May, will people start taking it seriously?It's not that people aren't taking it seriously, it's that some are taking it far more serious than others and that upsets that group. Clark Howard was stating this morning that people are so afraid to go to the ER when they have a stroke or heart attack or other medical emergency because that have been made paranoid about catching COVID. That is how stupid we have become as a society.
It's not that people aren't taking it seriously, it's that some are taking it far more serious than others and that upsets that group. Clark Howard was stating this morning that people are so afraid to go to the ER when they have a stroke or heart attack or other medical emergency because that have been made paranoid about catching COVID. That is how stupid we have become as a society.Well as the famous comedian Ron White as said many times, "You can't fix stupid". Hopefully, this is nature's way of cleansing the gene pool of stupidity. We have made it too easy for it to continue to exist.
Pelosi went to China Town of SF and told people to come out out and that Trump was nuts? DeBlasio did the same thing in NYC?Sorry Trump's False Claims about Pelosi and Chinatown has been soundly debunked by factcheck.org.
To sum up: Pelosi did visit Chinatown in late February in an effort to encourage people to go there to eat and shop. But she did not support parades or parties, try to show the coronavirus didn't exist or delete a tweet of her visit, as Trump claimed.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-false-claims-about-pelosi-and-chinatown/
We were and still are being lied to from China.South Korean President, Moon Jae-in and German Chancellor Merkel of Germany heard those same lies coming out of China but still acted immediately. Their COVID-19 cases are on the downswing whilst our USA COVID cases keep rising. What did Trump do? He lied, obfuscated, deflected and continues to spew out false statements.
You are doing nothing more than Monday Morning quarterbackingThe facts are the facts. See the attached chart for a timeline of Trumps COVID-19 excuses.
This should not be about hate Trump and destroy the economy and promise some form of safety in exchange for our liberty. I want liberty far more than their brand of safety.I'm not hating on Trump, but as I mentioned in an earlier post I do not blame Trump for creating this virus Pandemic but I do hold him solely responsible for badly mishandling our response to it. As they say the buck stops with the President. On the economy, public health will determine when the economy returns to full normalcy, if we get a second spike in COVID cases due to all the state reopenings then all bets are off for this economy ever coming back anytime soon or until a vaccine is produced.
Sgt Lurker
05-08-20, 22:12
Sorry Trump's False Claims about Pelosi and Chinatown has been soundly debunked by factcheck.org.
To sum up: Pelosi did visit Chinatown in late February in an effort to encourage people to go there to eat and shop. But she did not support parades or parties, try to show the coronavirus didn't exist or delete a tweet of her visit, as Trump claimed.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-false-claims-about-pelosi-and-chinatown/
South Korean President, Moon Jae-in and German Chancellor Merkel of Germany heard those same lies coming out of China but still acted immediately. Their COVID-19 cases are on the downswing whilst our USA COVID cases keep rising. What did Trump do? He lied, obfuscated, deflected and continues to spew out false statements.
The facts are the facts. See the attached chart for a timeline of Trumps COVID-19 excuses.
I'm not hating on Trump, but as I mentioned in an earlier post I do not blame Trump for creating this virus Pandemic but I do hold him solely responsible for badly mishandling our response to it. As they say the buck stops with the President. On the economy, public health will determine when the economy returns to full normalcy, if we get a second spike in COVID cases due to all the state reopenings then all bets are off for this economy ever coming back anytime soon or until a vaccine is produced.I do not trust Factcheck. Org anymore than I do Biden. It does not matter at this point what Trump may or may not have said, Pelosi was spreading the same incorrect information. You and others are obviously a Trump hater as you use words like Spew, lied, etc. They all, left, right, center, up, down, you name it, did not know the full seriousness of the disease. As I have said, I am not saying it is not serious, but I do not believe it to be as deadly as the government is saying and since they have admitted to falsely increasing the numbers, I cannot trust them. The real number that will get downplayed is how may had it, did not know it or thought it the flu, treated it as the flu, and got better and never reported it to anyone. Those numbers would show it as being a lot more survivable than the CDC statistics let on. Fauci has found himself once more in the limelight and he is milking it for all it is worth.
Me thinks, you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours. You and bunch of others want to continue to hide in your rabbit-hole leaves more pussy for the rest of us.
Aaron Hamlet
05-09-20, 10:36
Do not go outside or you will fucking die.
China Virus heat map displays the horror.
Areas in green represent 1/3 of all known China Virus cases.
Areas in yellow represent 1/3 of all known cases.
Areas in red represent 1/3 of all known cases.
I do not trust Factcheck. Org anymore than I do Biden.Yet you trust Trump who averages 23.5 lies a day or 18000+ lies all told over his three plus year term....lol
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2020/05/05/trump-is-lying-more-than-ever-just-look-at-the-data/#4 f3758 eb1 e17.
Aaron Hamlet
05-09-20, 15:54
Image below depicts China Virus deaths not cases as earlier reported.
Green is 1/3 of China Virus all deaths.
Yellow is 1/3 of China Virus all deaths.
Red 1/3 of all China Virus deaths.
Dick M Good
05-09-20, 16:44
https://www.projectveritas.com/video/funeral-directors-in-covid-19-epicenter-doubt-legitimacy-of-deaths/
How many of the deaths in NYC attributed to corona are actually from corona? This snippet gives you reason to question. https://www.projectveritas.com/video/funeral-directors-in-covid-19-epicenter-doubt-legitimacy-of-deaths/his Doesn't this just sound like NYC? I would bet there are other places doing the same thing!
Do not go outside or you will fucking die.
China Virus heat map displays the horror.
Areas in green represent 1/3 of all known China Virus cases.
Areas in yellow represent 1/3 of all known cases.
Areas in red represent 1/3 of all known cases.
ARegularGuy
05-09-20, 18:58
Thats the definition of a closed mind! Of course you don't trust factcheck! That goes along with not liking facts that don't correspond with your views.
ARG.
I do not trust Factcheck. Org anymore than I do Biden. It does not matter at this point what Trump may or may not have said, Pelosi was spreading the same incorrect information. You and others are obviously a Trump hater as you use words like Spew, lied, etc. They all, left, right, center, up, down, you name it, did not know the full seriousness of the disease. As I have said, I am not saying it is not serious, but I do not believe it to be as deadly as the government is saying and since they have admitted to falsely increasing the numbers, I cannot trust them. The real number that will get downplayed is how may had it, did not know it or thought it the flu, treated it as the flu, and got better and never reported it to anyone. Those numbers would show it as being a lot more survivable than the CDC statistics let on. Fauci has found himself once more in the limelight and he is milking it for all it is worth.
Me thinks, you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours. You and bunch of others want to continue to hide in your rabbit-hole leaves more pussy for the rest of us.
Sgt Lurker
05-09-20, 21:34
Thats the definition of a closed mind! Of course you don't trust factcheck! That goes along with not liking facts that don't correspond with your views.
ARG.This describes where I am at on this issue. If you say I cannot handle facts that contradict, aren't you as well? Each person can come to their own conclusion, use common sense and take personal responsibility. OR, we can take either extreme.
This describes where I am at on this issue. If you say I cannot handle facts that contradict, aren't you as well? Each person can come to their own conclusion, use common sense and take personal responsibility. OR, we can take either extreme.
Two members of the White House coronavirus task force placed themselves in quarantine after contact with someone who tested positive for COVID-19, another stark reminder that not even one of the nation’s most secure buildings is immune from the virus,” the AP reports.
CNN: Dr. Anthony Fauci to begin “modified quarantine.”
The New York Times reports it’s “the latest sign of worry that the coronavirus could be spreading through the senior ranks of the Trump administration.The Corona hoax is hitting closer and closer to home.
Here's the bottom line: if we live in fear of this virus for much longer, we will destroy the economic foundation of the greatest nation on earth. The ramifications of that destruction will dwarf the impact of the virus, even if the virus is left unchecked with no mitigation. That's fact. The best solution is to immediately open up this nation, accept the fact that a statistically very small percentage of our population will get the disease and a much smaller percentage of those infected will die (Less than 2 percent of all infections.) That's a hard choice to make, but it is the ONLY choice.
Think about what it means to have 30 million people apply for unemployment. Entire industries, aviation, gaming (casinos), petroleum, are dying and we cannot print enough money to overcome the damage.
Thankfully, there is hope in fighting the virus. Vaccines can potentially be available by the end of the year (Pfizer, others), we are a smarter, more distanced population, and there are improved therapies.
And, anyone who quotes the blankety-blank NY Times loses all credibility with me. I subscribe to the Times, read it every freaking day, and it is full of the most biased, slanted, often factually inaccurate "reporting:" I've seen in my 50 year media-related career. The Times is a disgrace to journalism.
Oh, and whoever called the president an "orange turd. " You are completely lacking in originality, and be glad you have him as president. You know why there's even a chance of a vaccine by the end of the year? Because Trump jawboned the health care companies, the FDA, to make it happen.
Please if anyone feels at risk, stay home. Just don't expect taxpayers to send you another damn 1200 bucks.
Let's get back to work. Now.I actually called him a shitstain not an orange turd, and I agree with everything else in this post. Not all liberals are starry eyed loons as you would wish them to be.
Sadly like all issues in the US it's become binary and the people who are still pushing the lockdowns refuse to process 2nd and 3rd order effects.
It may be too late, I doubt a V shaped recovery is possible. Demand is being systematically destroyed in the US.
I think the impending global recession is going to kill orders of magnitude more people than the rona ever would have.
HobbyMan51
05-10-20, 11:10
I actually called him a shitstain not an orange turd, and I agree with everything else in this post. Not all liberals are starry eyed loons as you would wish them to be.
Sadly like all issues in the US it's become binary and the people who are still pushing the lockdowns refuse to process 2nd and 3rd order effects.
It may be too late, I doubt a V shaped recovery is possible. Demand is being systematically destroyed in the US.
I think the impending global recession is going to kill orders of magnitude more people than the rona ever would have.I think that it is too late. I think that the powers that wanted the shutdown and wanted the destruction of the American economy have succeeded, in no small part because they succeeded in scaring enough people out there to help them with their agenda of destruction. When they were able to achieve that kind of leverage then the battle was lost. Now all they have to do is to continue the irrational fear mongering that the virus will kill virtually everyone who comes into contact with it in order to strangle the economy to death. I have been warning about the consequences of this for weeks now on this thread, that what we are doing to ourselves will, not maybe, WILL lead to societal breakdown and the inevitable conclusion of chaos and violence. In short, we will be killing each other in the streets. It has been dismaying to me how few people out there refuse to believe such a scenario, that they continue to encourage the mindless shutdowns and loss of basic civil liberties all in the name of being "safe". The illusion of being safe is the Trojan Horse of our times, unfortunately too many of you will only understand that when it is too late, which it now is. When enough people out there realize that the lives they had before this started have been destroyed by those of you who were willing participants in this sham then the violent retributions will begin. As I have said before, we could have protected the most vulnerable from this disease AND maintained a stable economy but for far too many of you out there that modicum of common sense was unacceptable to you. Shut it all down, you cried with stunning myopia. You are about to realize the fruits of that myopia and then you will scream "How did this all happen" right before they come for you and kill you because they have nothing left, because you enabled the powers to take their lives and their livelihoods away from them with your fearful, trembling groupthink. It's coming, groupthinkers. You have done well. Now sit back and enjoy the fruition of your fears. It could have played out much differently, but you didn't want that. Soon it will be time for the piper that you have created to be paid. Too bad that it will be all of us who will have to pay your debt, a debt that many of us saw coming and did not want. Too late now.
Aaron Hamlet
05-10-20, 13:02
https://www.projectveritas.com/video/funeral-directors-in-covid-19-epicenter-doubt-legitimacy-of-deaths/
How many of the deaths in NYC attributed to corona are actually from corona? This snippet gives you reason to question. https://www.projectveritas.com/video/funeral-directors-in-covid-19-epicenter-doubt-legitimacy-of-deaths/his Doesn't this just sound like NYC? I would bet there are other places doing the same thing!$13 K xtra taxpayer dollars for China virus deaths and another $30 k if used ventilator. Been over a month that Dr's have been saying ventilators do more harm in China Virus patients. But $30 k is $30 k.
Imbeciles still squawk about need more testing. Last week CBS faked a testing event in Detroit to show demand where there was none. Minn. Gov is begging people to get tested. They have capacity for 10 k tests per day but only doing 4 k.
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/cbs-news-this-morning-aired-faked-covid-19-drive-through-testing-site-line/
Germany's reported that China told WHO on Jan 21st to sit on the fact that China Virus was transmitted human to human. They did. Fuck China. Fuck the WHO. Fuck WHO leader Cholera Ted.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3931126
I actually called him a shitstain not an orange turd, and I agree with everything else in this post. Not all liberals are starry eyed loons as you would wish them to be.
Sadly like all issues in the US it's become binary and the people who are still pushing the lockdowns refuse to process 2nd and 3rd order effects.
It may be too late, I doubt a V shaped recovery is possible. Demand is being systematically destroyed in the US.
I think the impending global recession is going to kill orders of magnitude more people than the rona ever would have.First is was me calling him an "Orange Turd" which a common term of endearment for him by independents and liberals. Sort like the nicknames the right has for Obama.
Second, too many people still do not have any idea of the impact this can have if we just go back to precovid ways. I was fortunate enough to spend time with my grandfather who was doctor in New York during the 1918,1919,1920 pandemic (yes it lasted 3 years). He describe the daily struggle that he went thru, with triage and dealing with deciding who lived and who could not be saved. But what struck me was what he said about the 2nd wave. He told me that part of the reason it was so much worse, was that it so many of the healthcare workers were sick early on, and died or had to quarantine. There simple was not enough people to take care of those that got sick.
I have been talking to a lot of healthcare workers just in the North Atlanta area. A lot of them are not get paid the overtime they worked, are still not getting tested regularly, and are sick and tired of not being able to spend time with their families and kids. There is going to be a real shortage of nurses / med techs and doctors come the next wave in 3 months.
As far as 2nd and 3rd order effects. Those are meaningless unless people feel safe. For example it does no good if you open your restaurant and can on seat 25 or 50% of capacity. Restaurants don't operate based on that, they operate based on 80% or more of all their tables filled. Their operating margins are tight enough. Now they will have to pay their bills and buy food at premiums. Finally if the wait staff can make enough tips to reach the minimum wage, the restaurant owner has to make up that difference. This is the real world facts that business owners have to face. Open up now, and hope for some silver bullet for covid19 saves them. Or stay closed, and hope that Congress gets its collective head out of its ass and comes up with a real solution to keep business viable until we have a solution for the entire population.
Well, I am pretty sure that global recession in 2008/2009 did not kill more people that all of the diseases. More likely suicide rates increased some. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Great_Recession..
First is was me calling him an "Orange Turd" which a common term of endearment for him by independents and liberals. Sort like the nicknames the right has for Obama.
Second, too many people still do not have any idea of the impact this can have if we just go back to precovid ways. I was fortunate enough to spend time with my grandfather who was doctor in New York during the 1918,1919,1920 pandemic (yes it lasted 3 years). He describe the daily struggle that he went thru, with triage and dealing with deciding who lived and who could not be saved. But what struck me was what he said about the 2nd wave. He told me that part of the reason it was so much worse, was that it so many of the healthcare workers were sick early on, and died or had to quarantine. There simple was not enough people to take care of those that got sick.
I have been talking to a lot of healthcare workers just in the North Atlanta area. A lot of them are not get paid the overtime they worked, are still not getting tested regularly, and are sick and tired of not being able to spend time with their families and kids. There is going to be a real shortage of nurses / med techs and doctors come the next wave in 3 months.
As far as 2nd and 3rd order effects. Those are meaningless unless people feel safe. For example it does no good if you open your restaurant and can on seat 25 or 50% of capacity. Restaurants don't operate based on that, they operate based on 80% or more of all their tables filled. Their operating margins are tight enough. Now they will have to pay their bills and buy food at premiums. Finally if the wait staff can make enough tips to reach the minimum wage, the restaurant owner has to make up that difference. This is the real world facts that business owners have to face. Open up now, and hope for some silver bullet for covid19 saves them. Or stay closed, and hope that Congress gets its collective head out of its ass and comes up with a real solution to keep business viable until we have a solution for the entire population.
Well, I am pretty sure that global recession in 2008/2009 did not kill more people that all of the diseases. More likely suicide rates increased some. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Great_Recession..Nothing will work until people feel safe and part of that is when people stop treating corona as if it's the pandemic of 1918, serology testing shows it's not and medical science has improved since 1918. Covid is nowhere near as lethal as once thought and it's time to stop treating it as if it's ebola. The projected 10,000,000 dead in the hammer and dance was wrong. The UK guys 2,000,000 was as wrong as he was on mad cow, swine flu, bird flu, ect. The 1. 5 million the CDC called for was wrong. I'm not saying it's nothing, it's obviously a bad bug but it's not ebola, it's overall case mortality rate is going to be less than a 10th of a percent.
Sweden has made it clear, lockdowns are unnecessary. I get it, you planted your flag on lockdowns and nothing will make you change your mind but you're wrong and Dr Katz and Dr Tegnell are right.
Barry Bluestone (lefty economist) in the book "The De-Industrialization of America" arguing against business offshoring jobs for profits says that every 1% rise in joblessness is directly responsible for 38,000 deaths. Joblessness in the US is up probably 14%. That's 500,000 bodies from 2nd and 3rd order effects.
A friend of mine said it best "If every week was Shark Week and that's all that was on every channel 24/7 people in Kansas would be afraid to take showers. ".
Heart disease is going to kill 650,000 people this year. Why isn't every single news outlet publishing stories about the dangers of saturated fat every day?
The UN is saying that several hundred thousand kids will die as a result of the world wide recession coming in the wake of the corona shutdowns, it really angers me when people use shame to say that opening up the economy will kill people. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children-un/u-n-warns-economic-downturn-could-kill-hundreds-of-thousands-of-children-in-2020-idUSKBN21Y2X7 Like I said, the number of people who die from corona mitigation will probably be an order of magnitude than would have died from it. Please don't call them meaningless. You are talking about millions of lives worldwide. Millions of people dying slow deaths from malnutrition.
They made the decisions with the best info they had available at the time, new info is now available but nobody wants to change the decision. Doesn't make sense to me. Well, except you're a lefty like me and that's the party line. You wouldn't believe the hate mail I'm getting in my personal life because I'm not toeing that line. I get it, everybody you know is telling you that going outside means you and grandma die and nobody is presenting you options.
You are.
Aaron Hamlet
05-10-20, 22:16
I was fortunate enough to spend time with my grandfather who was doctor in New York during the 1918,1919,1920 pandemic (yes it lasted 3 years). He describe the daily struggle that he went thru, with triage and dealing with deciding who lived and who could not be saved. But what struck me was what he said about the 2nd wave. Did your Grandpa explain to you the effects WW 1 had on the second and third waves. WW 1 at that time the largest global migration in history. How more US soldiers died of Spanish Flu than in battle. Sick soldiers packed into troop trains / ships with the healthy. Packed in the trenches to fight, dying on top of each other. Sick packed into the field hospitals. Packed into the hospitals once they made it back to the states spreading it all around. Hundreds of thousands of asymptomatic carriers returning home and spreading disease. He tell you how Wilson's political advisors told him not to send more soldiers to Europe because too many were dying but his military advisors told him if he didn't Germany would own Europe so he kept sending them. Grandpa tell you how effective antibiotics and testing were? Probably not because they had neither. Wouldn't have penicillin for another 25 years. There's a lot more to this story.
If Grandpa was a doctor in NYC over 100 years ago and you remember him describing this to you, are you 80 years old? Did Grandpa live to 110 and told you the horrors of the 1918 pandemic when you were a little boy?
If Grandpa was a doctor in NYC over 100 years ago and you remember him describing this to you, are you 80 years old? Did Grandpa live to 110 and told you the horrors of the 1918 pandemic when you were a little boy?If he is 80 years old, you need to take a break and listen to anything he has to say. Having experienced "history" first hand is a lot more accurate than your copying / pasting skills from news articles for which there's no clear method of accuracy and theorizing results in something I did in the toilet this morning.
Anyone remember elementary school where you'd all line up, the teacher would whisper something into the first kid's ear, then everyone was told to repeat it verbatim? Last kid in line got it all wrong. That's the best you can get with regurgitating news feeds.
Pick up a rifle, get on the front lines and report back with something accurate and fresh.
Aaron Hamlet
05-10-20, 23:07
more accurate than your copying / pasting skills from news articles for which there's no clear method of accuracy and theorizing results
Pick up a rifle, get on the front lines and report back with something accurate and fresh.No copy and paste at all. If you think the effects the 1918 pandemic had on WW 1 is only in theory 100 years later and there's no clear method of accuracy, your reading skills and intellectual curiosity are lacking. I carried a rifle, tough guy.
No copy and paste at all. If you think the effects the 1918 pandemic had on WW 1 is only in theory 100 years later and there's no clear method of accuracy, your reading skills and intellectual curiosity are lacking. I carried a rifle, tough guy.No copy / paste? That's all you do. Tell me everything you've posted or observed personally on this topic that ain't been copy and paste.
Did I challenge anything you said about WWI (not 1, you idjit)? Perhaps you should have interviewed my great-grandfather on the front lines in Europe during the Great War. I have many hand-written, framed letters written by him to his then-gf and future wife, describing the details of his time in the trenches.
What kind of 'rifle' did you carry? Give me the correct name and tell me how to clean it blindfolded. And do not copy and paste.
Sgt Lurker
05-11-20, 07:48
If Grandpa was a doctor in NYC over 100 years ago and you remember him describing this to you, are you 80 years old? Did Grandpa live to 110 and told you the horrors of the 1918 pandemic when you were a little boy?For those who are apparently lacking in math skills and understanding family history. I just turned 60, my grandfather was born in 1890 which would have made him 27-29 during the Spanish Flu. I remember him well and even spent 2 months living with him before I shipped out for Army Basic Training. He died at age 92. So the story told is possible and not assume the writer is in their 80's.
Then again, many people are showing either they cannot do their own math, are doing that crazy new math, or just trust the warped math coming out of fed and state government folks.
Aaron Hamlet
05-11-20, 08:29
No copy / paste? That's all you do. Tell me everything you've posted or observed personally on this topic that ain't been copy and paste.
Did I challenge anything you said about WWI (not 1, you idjit)? Perhaps you should have interviewed my great-grandfather on the front lines in Europe during the Great War. I have many hand-written, framed letters written by him to his then-gf and future wife, describing the details of his time in the trenches.
What kind of 'rifle' did you carry? Give me the correct name and tell me how to clean it blindfolded. And do not copy and paste.You think anecdotal evidence is more valid than actual facts and data? You don't think WW 1, thats right 1, had any effect on the second and third wave of the spanish Flu?
A M-16A1 and I can't tell you how to clean it blindfolded, war hero.
Where did I copy and paste anything from an newspaper opinion piece or a new article?
You want to cower in fear inside tho facts tell you if you're healthy and under 60 your risk is minimal at best, do it.
Someone here once referred to you as an old drunk. At that time I wondered why. I don't anymore.
Aaron Hamlet
05-11-20, 08:34
For those who are apparently lacking in math skills and understanding family history. I just turned 60, my grandfather was born in 1890 which would have made him 27-29 during the Spanish Flu. I remember him well and even spent 2 months living with him before I shipped out for Army Basic Training. He died at age 92. So the story told is possible and not assume the writer is in their 80's.
Then again, many people are showing either they cannot do their own math, are doing that crazy new math, or just trust the warped math coming out of fed and state government folks.It's possible his grandpa was a young doctor in the early 1900's and what he describes actually happened, but when someone frames all re the China Virus from a political perspective, spits out propaganda and warns of mass death, second and third waves, as they tell half truths or plain bullshit, they have a political aim. As mentioned, they toe the party line. Spit out talking points from some hot sheet found in their inbox. I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouth.
Did your Grandpa explain to you the effects WW 1 had on the second and third waves. WW 1 at that time the largest global migration in history. How more US soldiers died of Spanish Flu than in battle. Sick soldiers packed into troop trains / ships with the healthy. Packed in the trenches to fight, dying on top of each other. Sick packed into the field hospitals. Packed into the hospitals once they made it back to the states spreading it all around. Hundreds of thousands of asymptomatic carriers returning home and spreading disease. He tell you how Wilson's political advisors told him not to send more soldiers to Europe because too many were dying but his military advisors told him if he didn't Germany would own Europe so he kept sending them. Grandpa tell you how effective antibiotics and testing were? Probably not because they had neither. Wouldn't have penicillin for another 25 years. There's a lot more to this story.
If Grandpa was a doctor in NYC over 100 years ago and you remember him describing this to you, are you 80 years old? Did Grandpa live to 110 and told you the horrors of the 1918 pandemic when you were a little boyFirst of all my grandfather was born in 1888. Which made him 30 at the time off WW I. So yeah. Second while he had a draft card, his was a high number. Understand WW I had minimum impact, for two reasons.
1. It was already raging in the US before the troops even deployed.
2. The second wave hit in December of 1918. US troops were still in Europe or on their way home.
When he passed he was 85 in 1973. Yes I was 10. So there is your math.
The impact of returning troops was pretty minimal with regard to the 2nd wave.
Aaron Hamlet
05-11-20, 09:12
No copy / paste? That's all you do. .This is copy and paste: Forty years ago another flu from Asia killed a population adjusted 250 thousand Americans and life went on as normal.
'In my lifetime, there was another deadly flu epidemic in the United States. The flu spread from Hong Kong to the United States, arriving December 1968 and peaking a year later. It ultimately killed 100,000 people in the USA, mostly over the age of 65, and one million worldwide.
Lifespan in the US in those days was 70 whereas it is 78 today. Population was 200 million as compared with 328 million today. It was also a healthier population with low obesity. If it would be possible to extrapolate the death data based on population and demographics, we might be looking at a quarter million deaths today from this virus. So in terms of lethality, it was as deadly and scary as COVID-19 if not more so, though we shall have to wait to see.
"In 1968/69," says Nathaniel L. Moir in National Interest, "the H3 N2 pandemic killed more individuals in the USA Than the combined total number of American fatalities during both the Vietnam and Korean Wars. ".
Nothing was closed by force. Schools mostly stayed open. Businesses did too. You could go to the movies. You could go to bars and restaurants. In fact, people have no memory or awareness that the famous Woodstock concert of August 1969 planned in January during the worse period of death actually occurred during a deadly American flu pandemic that only peaked globally six months later. There was no thought given to the virus which, like ours today, was dangerous mainly for a non-concert-going demographic.
Stock markets didn't crash because of the flu. Congress passed no legislation. The Federal Reserve did nothing. Not a single governor acted to enforce social distancing, curve flattening (even though hundreds of thousands of people were hospitalized), or banning of crowds. No mothers were arrested for taking their kids to other homes. No surfers were arrested. No daycares were shut even though there were more infant deaths with this virus than the one we are experiencing now. There were no suicides, no unemployment, no drug overdoses attributable to flu. '.
For those who are apparently lacking in math skills and understanding family history. I just turned 60, my grandfather was born in 1890 which would have made him 27-29 during the Spanish Flu. I remember him well and even spent 2 months living with him before I shipped out for Army Basic Training. He died at age 92. So the story told is possible and not assume the writer is in their 80's.
Then again, many people are showing either they cannot do their own math, are doing that crazy new math, or just trust the warped math coming out of fed and state government folks.My grandfather was born in 1888. I was born in 1963. He passed away in 1973. The math is pretty straight forward.
I am totally confused at the lack of basic comprehension skills and concern by some of the posters on this thread. There is an abundance of evidence that while this is not the 1918 flu, it is not influenza either. Why this is compared to the 1918 pandemic, is simple. Because if we followed the social interactions like they did 100+ years ago, then yeah we could potentially lose millions of fellow Americans.
This is copy and paste: Forty years ago another flu from Asia killed a population adjusted 250 thousand Americans and life went on as normal.
'In my lifetime, there was another deadly flu epidemic in the United States. The flu spread from Hong Kong to the United States, arriving December 1968 and peaking a year later. It ultimately killed 100,000 people in the USA, mostly over the age of 65, and one million worldwide.
Lifespan in the US in those days was 70 whereas it is 78 today. Population was 200 million as compared with 328 million today. It was also a healthier population with low obesity. If it would be possible to extrapolate the death data based on population and demographics, we might be looking at a quarter million deaths today from this virus. So in terms of lethality, it was as deadly and scary as COVID-19 if not more so, though we shall have to wait to see.You sort of left off some info.
There were a few important events occurring that overshadowed this pandemic.
1. Vietnam War.
2. Upcoming Apollo 11 launch / Moon Shot.
3. Robert Kennedy and MLK assassinations.
4. Warren Investigations into the JFK assassination.
5. The Race Riots in summer of 1968.
And this pandemic really did not stand out compared to regular influenza seasons for the period.
From the NIH / NCBI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/
Similarity Between Pandemic and Nonpandemic Influenza Seasons.
With the notable exception of the 1918 pandemic, each influenza pandemic season was less lethal than the prior one, reflecting the overall seasonal trend in influenza deaths.
Compared with nonpandemic seasons, the 1957-1958 and 1968-1969 pandemics do not stand out as exceptional outliers, nor were these pandemics visually discernable from nonpandemics in seasonal (Figure 1) or monthly (Figure 2) influenza mortality graphs.
In fact, although nonpandemic influenza seasonal death rates never exceeded prior pandemic seasonal death rates, many nonpandemic seasons were more deadly than subsequent pandemics.
For example, the 1941-1942,1942-1943,1943-1944,1944-1945,1945-1946,1946-1947, and 1952-1953 nonpandemic seasons were all deadlier than the 1957-1958 pandemic season.
Similarly, the 1959-1960 nonpandemic season was almost as deadly as the 1968-1969 pandemic season (Table 1).
Aaron Hamlet
05-11-20, 11:16
You sort of left off some info.
There were a few important events occurring that overshadowed this pandemic.
1. Vietnam War.
2. Upcoming Apollo 11 launch / Moon Shot.
3. Robert Kennedy and MLK assassinations.
4. Warren Investigations into the JFK assassination.
5. The Race Riots in summer of 1968.
And this pandemic really did not stand out compared to regular influenza seasons for the period.
From the NIH / NCBI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/
Similarity Between Pandemic and Nonpandemic Influenza Seasons.
With the notable exception of the 1918 pandemic, each influenza pandemic season was less lethal than the prior one, reflecting the overall seasonal trend in influenza deaths.
Compared with nonpandemic seasons, the 1957-1958 and 1968-1969 pandemics do not stand out as exceptional outliers, nor were these pandemics visually discernable from nonpandemics in seasonal (Figure 1) or monthly (Figure 2) influenza mortality graphs.
In fact, although nonpandemic influenza seasonal death rates never exceeded prior pandemic seasonal death rates, many nonpandemic seasons were more deadly than subsequent pandemics.
For example, the 1941-1942,1942-1943,1943-1944,1944-1945,1945-1946,1946-1947, and 1952-1953 nonpandemic seasons were all deadlier than the 1957-1958 pandemic season.
Similarly, the 1959-1960 nonpandemic season was almost as deadly as the 1968-1969 pandemic season (Table 1).Exactly. A virus from China killed a pop adj 250 k Americans and life went on. Crime, murders, wars, protests, govt investigations and a massive concert attended by 400,000. Restaurants, bars, sports leagues, business' stayed open. No lockdown quarantines
You think anecdotal evidence is more valid than actual facts and data? You don't think WW 1, thats right 1, had any effect on the second and third wave of the spanish Flu?
A M-16A1 and I can't tell you how to clean it blindfolded, war hero.
Where did I copy and paste anything from an newspaper opinion piece or a new article?
You want to cower in fear inside tho facts tell you if you're healthy and under 60 your risk is minimal at best, do it.
Someone here once referred to you as an old drunk. At that time I wondered why. I don't anymore.You still don't know how to abbreviate World War One? It is WWI and World War Two is WWII. And it's "An" M-16 A1, not "A" M-16 A1. Were you absent during first grade?
Who is cowering in fear about anything? Obviously not me and I haven't worn a mask yet. I do keep one in my truck though, in case it becomes mandatory for the general public.
Exactly. A virus from China killed a pop adj 250 k Americans and life went on. Crime, murders, wars, protests, govt investigations and a massive concert attended by 400,000. Restaurants, bars, sports leagues, business' stayed open. No lockdown quarantinesYou are still missing the point. If you had read the entire article. Then you would have seen the part about the vaccines have little or no impact on the influenza death.
Implications for Influenza Vaccines.
Historical influenza mortality data contain many relevant implications for influenza vaccination campaigns.
The overall decline in influenza-attributed mortality over the 20th century cannot be the result of influenza vaccination.
Because vaccination did not become available until the 1940's and was not widely used until the late 1980's.
This rapid decline, which commenced around the end of World War II.
Points to the possibility that social changes led to a change in the ecology of influenza viruses.
I found that declining mortality rates occurred simultaneously with expanded influenza vaccine coverage since 1980.
Especially for the elderly (65 years and older). However, recent research suggests that vaccination is an unlikely explanation of mortality trends.
A 2005 US National Institutes of Health study of over 30 influenza seasons "could not correlate increasing vaccination coverage.
After 1980 with declining mortality rates in any age group. ".
Other research has reviewed available international studies of inactivated influenza vaccine effectiveness and efficacy.
One study concluded that "evidence from systematic reviews shows that inactivated vaccines have little or no effect on the effects measured. ".
Considered in light of the data presented here, these studies imply that other causes–such as an improvement in living conditions.
Or naturally acquired immunity from similar strains of influenza virus–may have been partially responsible for the declining trends in recorded influenza mortality.
The main reason we were able to bend the curve from an exponential growth in death rate.
Is because we took away the ability of the virus to spread because of social distancing.
Shutting down common gathering areas (churches / restaurants / stadiums / concerts / mass transit).
Did it stop it. No it allow our medical system to avoid complete collapse, it allow our medical system to start to catch up. We have now been about 2 weeks in Georgia easing of restrictions.
As you can see # of cases is increasing, despite Gov. Kemp's claim to the contrary.
https://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/health-care/map-shows-latest-us-coronavirus-case-totals-state/
May 8: 32,177, including 1,997 in Hall; 1,400 have died statewide, including 28 in Hall; NGHS is treating 123 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 406.
May 7: 31,600, including 1,958 in Hall; 1,352 have died statewide, including 27 in Hall; NGHS is treating 134 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 394.
May 6: 30,738, including 1,914 in Hall; 1,327 have died statewide, including 27 in Hall; NGHS is treating 134 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 388.
May 5: 29,852, including 1,836 in Hall; 1,294 have died statewide, including 26 in Hall; NGHS is treating 135 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 364.
May 4: 29,103, including 1,712 in Hall; 1,204 have died statewide, including 23 in Hall; NGHS is treating 125 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 348.
May 3: 28,602, including 1,695 in Hall; 1,177 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS data is not updated on the weekends.
May 2: 28,331, including 1,694 in Hall; 1,175 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS data is not updated on the weekends.
May 1: 27,492, including 1,481 in Hall; 1,165 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS is treating 146 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 318.
April 30:26,260, including 1,332 in Hall; 1,132 have died statewide, including 21 in Hall; NGHS is treating 153 patients with confirmed cases.
April 29:25,644, including 1,238 in Hall; 1,095 have died statewide, including 20 in Hall; NGHS is treating 159 patients with confirmed cases.
Does that look like the number is trending downward? And those are the reported cases. Who knows how many are asymptomatic.
You are still missing the point. If you had read the entire article. Then you would have seen the part about the vaccines have little or no impact on the influenza death.
Implications for Influenza Vaccines.
Historical influenza mortality data contain many relevant implications for influenza vaccination campaigns.
The overall decline in influenza-attributed mortality over the 20th century cannot be the result of influenza vaccination.
Because vaccination did not become available until the 1940's and was not widely used until the late 1980's.
This rapid decline, which commenced around the end of World War II.
Points to the possibility that social changes led to a change in the ecology of influenza viruses.
I found that declining mortality rates occurred simultaneously with expanded influenza vaccine coverage since 1980.Seems Gainesville has become a new hot spot for C-19 in Georgia, per my local newspaper. I'm curious why. Did the Gainesville Times reveal any clues for the uptick?
Hungry Clif
05-12-20, 07:30
Seems Gainesville has become a new hot spot for C-19 in Georgia, per my local newspaper. I'm curious why. Did the Gainesville Times reveal any clues for the uptick?Hey Nite, it's undoubtedly because of the Chicken processing plants. The majority of the workers are Hispanic, most likely living in close quarters with multiple family members. Both the working and living conditions are very much a predisposing factor to transmission.
Hey Nite, it's undoubtedly because of the Chicken processing plants. The majority of the workers are Hispanic, most likely living in close quarters with multiple family members. Both the working and living conditions are very much a predisposing factor to transmission.Correct, Lots of the hotspots in rural America seem to be centered upon meat processing plants, and to some extent the massive agro farms, where thousands of migrant workers harvest crops and live in dorms. We will see more and more of that popping up through the summer. We will not be going to zero or even declining in the number of cases or deaths, but as the CDC / NIH predicts around 3 K deaths / day and north of 100 K. That is assuming that we still practice some of the recommendations.
What this means is a lot of our food supply will be left in the fields or as we have seen dumped. That is in addition to the fact April the trucking industry jobs losses that get that food to us will make it even more difficult.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trucking-bloodbath-truck-drivers-lost-jobs-april-jobs-report-2020-5
This is the gift that keeps giving.
Your own numbers show hospitalizations in Hall have declined more than 20 percent in the past 10 days. In addition, death rates throughout Georgia have declined sharply over the past two weeks, as have newly reported cases.
The virus is still out there, but this thing is definitely moving in the right direction.
You are still missing the point. If you had read the entire article. Then you would have seen the part about the vaccines have little or no impact on the influenza death.
Implications for Influenza Vaccines.
Historical influenza mortality data contain many relevant implications for influenza vaccination campaigns.
The overall decline in influenza-attributed mortality over the 20th century cannot be the result of influenza vaccination.
Because vaccination did not become available until the 1940's and was not widely used until the late 1980's.
This rapid decline, which commenced around the end of World War II.
Points to the possibility that social changes led to a change in the ecology of influenza viruses.
I found that declining mortality rates occurred simultaneously with expanded influenza vaccine coverage since 1980.
Especially for the elderly (65 years and older). However, recent research suggests that vaccination is an unlikely explanation of mortality trends.
A 2005 US National Institutes of Health study of over 30 influenza seasons "could not correlate increasing vaccination coverage.
After 1980 with declining mortality rates in any age group. ".
Other research has reviewed available international studies of inactivated influenza vaccine effectiveness and efficacy.
One study concluded that "evidence from systematic reviews shows that inactivated vaccines have little or no effect on the effects measured. ".
Considered in light of the data presented here, these studies imply that other causessuch as an improvement in living conditions.
Or naturally acquired immunity from similar strains of influenza virusmay have been partially responsible for the declining trends in recorded influenza mortality.
The main reason we were able to bend the curve from an exponential growth in death rate.
Is because we took away the ability of the virus to spread because of social distancing.
Shutting down common gathering areas (churches / restaurants / stadiums / concerts / mass transit).
Did it stop it. No it allow our medical system to avoid complete collapse, it allow our medical system to start to catch up. We have now been about 2 weeks in Georgia easing of restrictions.
As you can see # of cases is increasing, despite Gov. Kemp's claim to the contrary.
https://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/health-care/map-shows-latest-us-coronavirus-case-totals-state/
May 8: 32,177, including 1,997 in Hall; 1,400 have died statewide, including 28 in Hall; NGHS is treating 123 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 406.
May 7: 31,600, including 1,958 in Hall; 1,352 have died statewide, including 27 in Hall; NGHS is treating 134 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 394.
May 6: 30,738, including 1,914 in Hall; 1,327 have died statewide, including 27 in Hall; NGHS is treating 134 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 388.
May 5: 29,852, including 1,836 in Hall; 1,294 have died statewide, including 26 in Hall; NGHS is treating 135 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 364.
May 4: 29,103, including 1,712 in Hall; 1,204 have died statewide, including 23 in Hall; NGHS is treating 125 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 348.
May 3: 28,602, including 1,695 in Hall; 1,177 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS data is not updated on the weekends.
May 2: 28,331, including 1,694 in Hall; 1,175 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS data is not updated on the weekends.
May 1: 27,492, including 1,481 in Hall; 1,165 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS is treating 146 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 318.
April 30:26,260, including 1,332 in Hall; 1,132 have died statewide, including 21 in Hall; NGHS is treating 153 patients with confirmed cases.
April 29:25,644, including 1,238 in Hall; 1,095 have died statewide, including 20 in Hall; NGHS is treating 159 patients with confirmed cases.
Does that look like the number is trending downward? And those are the reported cases. Who knows how many are asymptomatic.
Hey Nite, it's undoubtedly because of the Chicken processing plants. The majority of the workers are Hispanic, most likely living in close quarters with multiple family members. Both the working and living conditions are very much a predisposing factor to transmission.Yeah, probably. After I posted, I did a little reading. I previously only knew of one chicken processing plant in Gainesville. Turns out there are several.
Your own numbers show hospitalizations in Hall have declined more than 20 percent in the past 10 days. In addition, death rates throughout Georgia have declined sharply over the past two weeks, as have newly reported cases.
The virus is still out there, but this thing is definitely moving in the right direction.WTF are you talking about?
It went from 1238 on Apr 28th to 1997 on May 8th. That is not a decrease, that is over 38% increase. In cases. As for death rate decreasing. That mostly flat. But the GPH has admitted those are underreported as well.
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report
Your own numbers show hospitalizations in Hall have declined more than 20 percent in the past 10 days. In addition, death rates throughout Georgia have declined sharply over the past two weeks, as have newly reported cases.
The virus is still out there, but this thing is definitely moving in the right direction.This is a great article and model on where we are in both testing, fatalities and where we need to be to prevent further upward trend of this virus.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/07/851610771/u-s-coronavirus-testing-still-falls-short-hows-your-state-doing
And this one shows graphically how the US is doing, and you can look at by state. FYI, Georgia is still climbing. And yes we would expect that as we test more, to see more positives. But that is exactly why we need to continue social distancing, because we don't know who has it, who doesn't and who had it, until we have a better sampling of the population. This can quickly turn nasty, then it back to lockdowns.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/16/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s
KingSlayer22
05-12-20, 11:43
Your own numbers show hospitalizations in Hall have declined more than 20 percent in the past 10 days. In addition, death rates throughout Georgia have declined sharply over the past two weeks, as have newly reported cases.
The virus is still out there, but this thing is definitely moving in the right direction.Infections are up 40% since re opening, hospitalizations and deaths will follow.
HobbyMan51
05-12-20, 17:13
Infections are up 40% since re opening, hospitalizations and deaths will followYou sound rather happy about that, if those figures are indeed true unless you are going by the daily pablum that CNN feeds you. Let's keep it simple though. Let's continue the shutdown and the strangulation of the economy and only deaths will follow! No messy hospitalizations, only deaths. Let's continue to destroy our lives, our livelihoods, our hobbies, our pleasures, all the things that used to give our lives meaning and purpose, let's just destroy all of it and then rejoice in our success. No sports, no concerts, no restaurants, no bars, no symphonies, no churches, no grocery stores, no drugstores, no retail stores, no art galleries, no airlines, no buses, no trains, no movies, no theater, no parks, etc, etc, etc. Let's all wear masks and gloves for the rest of our lives and not get within a fucking mile of another human being. Sounds like utopia to me! We are well on our way, my friends. Keep up the good work. And when you have destroyed it all in the name of being safe and you are reveling in the grimness of the brave new world that you have created for us all, be sure and let me know how that feels. Because it becomes more obvious to me every day that many of you shutdown advocates out there have no fucking clue as to what you will reap from this mindless sowing. Be safe out there, and keep wearing those goddam masks.
Sgt Lurker
05-12-20, 19:53
You sound rather happy about that, if those figures are indeed true unless you are going by the daily pablum that CNN feeds you. Let's keep it simple though. Let's continue the shutdown and the strangulation of the economy and only deaths will follow! No messy hospitalizations, only deaths. Let's continue to destroy our lives, our livelihoods, our hobbies, our pleasures, all the things that used to give our lives meaning and purpose, let's just destroy all of it and then rejoice in our success. No sports, no concerts, no restaurants, no bars, no symphonies, no churches, no grocery stores, no drugstores, no retail stores, no art galleries, no airlines, no buses, no trains, no movies, no theater, no parks, etc, etc, etc. Let's all wear masks and gloves for the rest of our lives and not get within a fucking mile of another human being. Sounds like utopia to me! We are well on our way, my friends. Keep up the good work. And when you have destroyed it all in the name of being safe and you are reveling in the grimness of the brave new world that you have created for us all, be sure and let me know how that feels. Because it becomes more obvious to me every day that many of you shutdown advocates out there have no fucking clue as to what you will reap from this mindless sowing. Be safe out there, and keep wearing those goddam masks.Well said!!
You sound rather happy about that, if those figures are indeed true unless you are going by the daily pablum that CNN feeds you. Let's keep it simple though. Let's continue the shutdown and the strangulation of the economy and only deaths will follow! No messy hospitalizations, only deaths. Let's continue to destroy our lives, our livelihoods, our hobbies, our pleasures, all the things that used to give our lives meaning and purpose, let's just destroy all of it and then rejoice in our success. No sports, no concerts, no restaurants, no bars, no symphonies, no churches, no grocery stores, no drugstores, no retail stores, no art galleries, no airlines, no buses, no trains, no movies, no theater, no parks, etc, etc, etc. Let's all wear masks and gloves for the rest of our lives and not get within a fucking mile of another human being. Sounds like utopia to me! We are well on our way, my friends. Keep up the good work. And when you have destroyed it all in the name of being safe and you are reveling in the grimness of the brave new world that you have created for us all, be sure and let me know how that feels. Because it becomes more obvious to me every day that many of you shutdown advocates out there have no fucking clue as to what you will reap from this mindless sowing. Be safe out there, and keep wearing those goddam masks.And are you happy to be the turd radical on the opposite end of the spectrum? Try contributing something of value to end this stupid shit instead of dumping fuel on the fire.
And are you happy to be the turd radical on the opposite end of the spectrum? Try contributing something of value to end this stupid shit instead of dumping fuel on the fire.This is going no where, these putzes are going to worry about themselves and their self interests, be damn the impact to the community, their friends and family. I can only hope they don't have to suffer the lose of someone close to them due to this virus. I really hope that if they do come down with this virus the medical system is there to help them.
HobbyMan51
05-12-20, 23:12
And are you happy to be the turd radical on the opposite end of the spectrum? Try contributing something of value to end this stupid shit instead of dumping fuel on the fire.Yes night, I am quite happy to be a radical if it means telling the truth about what is going to happen to all of us if we continue this madness. What I have to say is of quite a bit of value, regardless of your snarky comment to contrary. I like your comment of fuel on the fire however since that is EXACTLY what I am doing and will continue to do to shake people out of being mindless sheep, following their fears around, chasing their tails as they are dictated to by the agenda pushing fear mongers who control them. We can end this "stupid shit", as you put it, but only by adopting the common sense approach which is protecting the most vulnerable among us while keeping our economy stable, a concept I have stated several times in my most recent posts if you had bothered to thoroughly read them which obviously you have not. Unfortunately we adopted the hair on fire approach, the throw a blanket over everything approach, the shut everything down approach as we completely ignored the fates of those whose livelihoods such malignant group think destroyed. Millions of those livelihoods are gone, never to come back, and all because we were either too fucking lazy or stupid to figure out a more reasonable solution or we hated Trump to the point of burning our own ship down in order to bring him down. Talk about stupid, now that's fucking stupid, night. But it's real. We have done just that and we will pay the unimaginable price for our myopic selfishness. Think of it this way: I am like the Ghost of Christmas Future, and our future is bleak, really really bleak because of what we have done to ourselves. You may not like it but that's just the way it is. It's a reality that I didn't want and don't want to see played out but we have too many people out there who still demand the burn down the ship approach. I would suggest you try to end their stupid shit way of thinking before you condemn mine, not that I care if you or others like you don't like what I say. I give you reality. It's not my fault or my problem if you and others can't handle it.
And are you happy to be the turd radical on the opposite end of the spectrum? Try contributing something of value to end this stupid shit instead of dumping fuel on the fire.No! He is absolutely correct. Why shouls we listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, or Dt. Robert Redfield, the director of the CDC, when we can get the real truth from some Loony Toon?
Today Georgia will surpass 35,000 cases and 1,500 deaths, but so what? I'm not sick and I don't care about anyone else. I'll get serious about it when I get sick and will then complain about the lack of medical facilities caused by all those inconvenient sick people.
We have two choices -- get the disease under control in order to rebuild our society or let it rip and let the survivors figure things out.
Its really not that difficult a choice.
Aaron Hamlet
05-13-20, 08:56
Infections are up 40% since re opening, hospitalizations and deaths will follow.Re-opening was going to lead to more cases, hospitalizations and deaths. All knew that. Sweden, who took a much different approach, claims these infection and deaths were going to happen anyway. A mass quarantine only delayed the inevitable. Same group remain at risk. The elderly and the sick.
Infections / cases don't tell entire story. A positive test doesn't necessarily send you to the hospital and you have to look at total tests given. Quick math. Since April 24th re-open, Georgia has tested 160k. Had 12,500 positives and 1,900 hospitalizations.
HobbyMan51
05-13-20, 12:13
This is going no where, these putzes are going to worry about themselves and their self interests, be damn the impact to the community, their friends and family. I can only hope they don't have to suffer the lose of someone close to them due to this virus. I really hope that if they do come down with this virus the medical system is there to help them.And I suppose that the shutdown has had no impact to the community, both immediate and in the future? How the hell do you ignore that? Why is it so impossible for some of you to believe that we could have handled the effects of the virus AND kept our economic livelihoods stable? Why is draconian shutdown of our lives the ONLY solution for so many of you? You can label me a selfish putz all day if you like but nothing could be further from the truth. The problem is that you lack the imagination to have anything else to say to me except to resort to the lowest common denominator and do the only thing you know how to do and that is to throw shit at anyone who dares to question your narrowness. Do what you have to do. I will continue to throw the truth out there whether you wish to acknowledge it or not. You will not stop me.
Aaron Hamlet
05-13-20, 13:43
Why shouls we listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, or Dt. Robert Redfield, the director of the CDC, when we can get the real truth from some Loony Toon?
.Which Fauci? Two days before Trump banned China flights and into February, Fauci told the nation to be more worried about the flu. I understand situations change, but you'd think the 'nation's top infectious disease expert' would be a little more ahead of that curve.
CDC lost a month of testing because they fucked it up. The woman, Dr. Birx, who works w / them everyday said this to Redfield a few days ago, "There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust," she told CDC Director Robert Redfield.
Then of course you need to listen to the world's expert org on health, whose mission is to monitor and contain viral outbreaks, but the fucking WHO lied about no H2 H transmission when they knew there was. You'd think to listen to the country who released a novel bat virus onto the planet. They'd warn the planet of the fucking deadly bat virus. They wouldn't lie about it to save face and risk death and econ destruction onto the world. Would they?
Fucking experts are a dime a dozen.
Which Fauci? Two days before Trump banned China flights and into February, Fauci told the nation to be more worried about the flu. I understand situations change, but you'd think the 'nation's top infectious disease expert' would be a little more ahead of that curve.
CDC lost a month of testing because they fucked it up. The woman, Dr. Birx, who works w / them everyday said this to Redfield a few days ago, "There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust," she told CDC Director Robert Redfield.
Then of course you need to listen to the world's expert org on health, whose mission is to monitor and contain viral outbreaks, but the fucking WHO lied about no H2 H transmission when they knew there was. You'd think to listen to the country who released a novel bat virus onto the planet. They'd warn the planet of the fucking deadly bat virus. They wouldn't lie about it to save face and risk death and econ destruction onto the world. Would they?
Fucking experts are a dime a dozen.First of all Birx is a political animal. There is a reason she works in the State Department and not HHS or CDC. She had the opportunity to stand up for the medical community, when Trump asked her about ingesting bleach and shoving a UV light into a human bodies. But instead she remained quiet.
As for the rest of the team. Dr. Fauci is the only recognized member that has street cred to back up his word. His work on HIV / AIDS in the 1980's led from it being a death sentence to a treatable condition. Fauci later led USA Government efforts to combat outbreaks of the West Nile virus, SARS and Ebola.
1979: Arthur S. Flemming Award.
1993: Honorary Doctor of Science, Bates College.
1995: Ernst Jung Prize (shared with Samuel A. Wells, Jr.).
1995: Honorary Doctor of Science, Duke University.
1996: Honorary Doctor of Science, Colgate University.
1999: Honorary Doctor of Public Service Degree, Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania.
2002: Albany Medical Center Prize.
2003: American Academy of Achievement's Golden Plate Award.
2005: National Medal of Science.
2005: American Association of Immunologists Lifetime Achievement Award.
2007: Mary Woodard Lasker Public Service Award.
2007: George M. Kober Medal, Association of American Physicians.
2008: Presidential Medal of Freedom.
2013: Robert Koch Gold Medal.
2013: Prince Mahidol Award.
2016: John Dirks Canada Gairdner Global Health Award.
2018: Honorary Doctor of Science, Commencement Speaker, American University.
He is the real deal.
Aaron Hamlet
05-13-20, 16:21
No! He is absolutely correct. Why shouls we listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, or Dt. Robert Redfield, the director of the CDCAnother expert. Be sure to tune in to hear Greta's expert analysis on China virus:
'CNN is tapping young climate activist Greta Thunberg to join their panel of experts speaking on the subject of "Coronavirus-Facts and Fears" on Thursday night, the channel announced on Twitter Wednesday. '.
And I suppose that the shutdown has had no impact to the community, both immediate and in the future? How the hell do you ignore that? Why is it so impossible for some of you to believe that we could have handled the effects of the virus AND kept our economic livelihoods stable? Why is draconian shutdown of our lives the ONLY solution for so many of you? You can label me a selfish putz all day if you like but nothing could be further from the truth. The problem is that you lack the imagination to have anything else to say to me except to resort to the lowest common denominator and do the only thing you know how to do and that is to throw shit at anyone who dares to question your narrowness. Do what you have to do. I will continue to throw the truth out there whether you wish to acknowledge it or not. You will not stop me.One reason. People are stupid. Just look at the numbers before we started shutting down, then during. You really don't have any common sense. Go out, have fun. If you do get the covid virus and need help, please stay at home. We don't need you spreading it.
And I suppose that the shutdown has had no impact to the community, both immediate and in the future? How the hell do you ignore that? Why is it so impossible for some of you to believe that we could have handled the effects of the virus AND kept our economic livelihoods stable? Why is draconian shutdown of our lives the ONLY solution for so many of you? You can label me a selfish putz all day if you like but nothing could be further from the truth. The problem is that you lack the imagination to have anything else to say to me except to resort to the lowest common denominator and do the only thing you know how to do and that is to throw shit at anyone who dares to question your narrowness. Do what you have to do. I will continue to throw the truth out there whether you wish to acknowledge it or not. You will not stop me.Here ya go you knucklehead. In the last 1 week new cases across the state have gone up over 100%. This is why we should not be reopening.
Busy Lurker
05-13-20, 17:24
Since COVID-19 is a hoax and it's safe to go out, let's agree that those who want to go back to work, school, church, play, etc. Can do so. However, when they get sick, they have to self-treat. You don't get access to our emergency rooms, you don't get our medicines, you don't get to infect our doctors and nurses, you don't get a ventilator and you damn sure don't get it all for free at Grady.
Since it's all a hoax anyway, you should be happy to agree to this. Anyone who wants to re-open and go bowling and drinking and praying doesn't need to ask for help when they get sick anyway because it's just like the flu. Opening schools, churches, stores, etc. Isn't going to be that bad, so you should have no problem taking this gamble.
Let's set these rules, then let's see how many of FOX-watching rednecks would agree to them -- for themselves and their families. And when you get sick and bring it home to your families, they play by the same rules you're under.
You go back to normal -- you and your families are completely on your own.
Any takers?
P.S. Kroger isn't a public business. It's privately owned. If a teenage girl who works there tells you that you need to wear shoes, can't smoke inside, no radios and you need to wear a mask, you don't get to shoot her or break her arm.
Another expert. Be sure to tune in to hear Greta's expert analysis on China virus:
'CNN is tapping young climate activist Greta Thunberg to join their panel of experts speaking on the subject of "Coronavirus-Facts and Fears" on Thursday night, the channel announced on Twitter Wednesday. '.So CNN was bad enough, now they are going to tap a retard as one of their "experts" unbelievable.
P.S. Kroger isn't a public business. It's privately owned. If a teenage girl who works there tells you that you need to wear shoes, can't smoke inside, no radios and you need to wear a mask, you don't get to shoot her or break her arm.Wonder if Kroger has had to deal with many crazies. We've all heard about the Target employee who got a broken arm.
In my opinion, the best course of action is to open up everything and let nature take its course and yes that does include me. I feel confident that it won't affect me but if it does, so be it. A vast majority of people will be unaffected by this virus health wise. I think just about all of us have felt it financially. Some more than others. A person can't live their life in fear or else what's the point of living? I've heard celebrity after celebrity contracting the virus with little to no affects. Data from California has shown that the actual cases in the US of people who have contracted the virus is at least 8 times more than the people who have been tested and confirmed for having the virus. The actual death rate is far lower than what is being pushed out in the media. There are so many ways to die. What is the old saying? A hundred million ways to die. Assaults, car accidents, stroke, heart attack, cancer, fall of a roof, another virus, etc. People die every day in a variety of ways. This virus does not scare me, personally. You can't fight fate. People believe they can but they would be wrong. That's why it's called fate. What does scare me is our current economic situation. Congress are talking now about a $3 trillion relief package. If that happens, that's $5 trillion spent by the federal government in less than 60 days. Damn!! Current deficit of more than $24 trillion. When does it end? Money doesn't grow on trees.
And since January, what's happened to the flu? All of a sudden, it just disappeared. Strange. As a nation, we have two choices. Keep it closed, which affects just about everyone negatively or open it up, which would affect a small amount of people negatively. If your argument is about saving lives, people will die in either scenario. Don't hold your breath for a vaccine. Not that one won't be discovered. It's just often times difficult and takes a long time. I feel that this was hyped up so much and so much damage has been done financially, politicians and experts can't reverse course since there would be shitstorm waiting for those people. Easier just to go with the flow and let the current situation take its course. Thoughts?
So CNN was bad enough, now they are going to tap a retard as one of their "experts" unbelievable.They've hired an opinionated teenager? LOL.
HobbyMan51
05-13-20, 19:30
Here ya go you knucklehead. In the last 1 week new cases across the state have gone up over 100%. This is why we should not be reopening.You still refuse to answer my question. Did you even read what I said? Keep everything shut down, Jims. It's fine. Shut everything down until YOU tell us it's ok to come out from under our beds again. Give us nice little graphs and charts that "prove" your point when I know you are lying through your stupid teeth. If cases were up like you say then the AJC would be all over it because they are leftists like you who aren't happy unless everyone's lives are destroyed. But not a peep from the AJC. It must be nice for people like you and the AJC who have had no income interruption to lecture everyone else that they should be happy that their lives are being destroyed right before our eyes. That is what you are doing, Jims, that is what you are advocating. Cases and deaths have actually gone DOWN in Florida and Georgia, Jims, but that doesn't fit your narrow little agenda. And just what is your agenda, Jims? Why are you so adamant that there is only ONE way to address this virus instead of what I have advocated for, a strategy that takes into consideration the lives of EVERYONE, Jims. But you ignore that, Jims. You won't even consider it, Jims. Why Jims, why? When should we reopen, Jims, when nobody has a job anymore except you? Does that make sense to you, Jims? Does it make sense to you that the coronavirus is the only thing on this planet that must be addressed, Jims? What about people with other illnesses and afflictions whose medical problems have been put on the back burner because ONLY coronavirus cases count anymore, Jims? How many people will die from cancers that were diagnosed too late because of the mindless group think advocated by people like you, Jims? I could go on and on but it's useless, I know. For simpletons like you, Jims, it's shut everything down and destroy everyone's lives, Jims, and then excoriate people like me who try to talk some sense into your brain dead heads. But go ahead. Do it. In the pathetic group think that you are part of, Jims, you "might" "save" some lives (although how your group demands we do that is dubious at best) but then destroy millions more lives in the process. Sound like a good trade-off, Jims? You are more than willing to do it so it must be. Go ahead, Jims, do what you must do. The aftermath is going to be pure hell, Jims, pure hell. I am truly sorry that I cannot get you and others like you to even consider for a second how that aftermath is going to be. Do what you must do. We'll sort it all out in the wreckage that will follow and then we will see who walks away.
HobbyMan51
05-13-20, 19:35
In my opinion, the best course of action is to open up everything and let nature take its course and yes that does include me. I feel confident that it won't affect me but if it does, so be it. A vast majority of people will be unaffected by this virus health wise. I think just about all of us have felt it financially. Some more than others. A person can't live their life in fear or else what's the point of living? I've heard celebrity after celebrity contracting the virus with little to no affects. Data from California has shown that the actual cases in the US of people who have contracted the virus is at least 8 times more than the people who have been tested and confirmed for having the virus. The actual death rate is far lower than what is being pushed out in the media. There are so many ways to die. What is the old saying? A hundred million ways to die. Assaults, car accidents, stroke, heart attack, cancer, fall of a roof, another virus, etc. People die every day in a variety of ways. This virus does not scare me, personally. You can't fight fate. People believe they can but they would be wrong. That's why it's called fate. What does scare me is our current economic situation. Congress are talking now about a $3 trillion relief package. If that happens, that's $5 trillion spent by the federal government in less than 60 days. Damn!! Current deficit of more than $24 trillion. When does it end? Money doesn't grow on trees.
And since January, what's happened to the flu? All of a sudden, it just disappeared. Strange. As a nation, we have two choices. Keep it closed, which affects just about everyone negatively or open it up, which would affect a small amount of people negatively. If your argument is about saving lives, people will die in either scenario. Don't hold your breath for a vaccine. Not that one won't be discovered. It's just often times difficult and takes a long time. I feel that this was hyped up so much and so much damage has been done financially, politicians and experts can't reverse course since there would be shitstorm waiting for those people. Easier just to go with the flow and let the current situation take its course. Thoughts?Thank you. Common sense. You will be attacked, unfortunately, but what you are saying is the common sense truth. Too bad there are too many on this thread who cannot comprehend what you are trying to say to them. Thanks again for having the courage to say it, though.
John HandCock
05-13-20, 20:14
In my opinion, the best course of action is to open up everything and let nature take its course and yes that does include me. I feel confident that it won't affect me but if it does, so be it. A vast majority of people will be unaffected by this virus health wise. I think just about all of us have felt it financially. Some more than others. A person can't live their life in fear or else what's the point of living? I've heard celebrity after celebrity contracting the virus with little to no affects. Data from California has shown that the actual cases in the US of people who have contracted the virus is at least 8 times more than the people who have been tested and confirmed for having the virus. The actual death rate is far lower than what is being pushed out in the media. There are so many ways to die. What is the old saying? A hundred million ways to die. Assaults, car accidents, stroke, heart attack, cancer, fall of a roof, another virus, etc. People die every day in a variety of ways. This virus does not scare me, personally. You can't fight fate. People believe they can but they would be wrong. That's why it's called fate. What does scare me is our current economic situation. Congress are talking now about a $3 trillion relief package. If that happens, that's $5 trillion spent by the federal government in less than 60 days. Damn!! Current deficit of more than $24 trillion. When does it end? Money doesn't grow on trees.
And since January, what's happened to the flu? All of a sudden, it just disappeared. Strange. As a nation, we have two choices. Keep it closed, which affects just about everyone negatively or open it up, which would affect a small amount of people negatively. If your argument is about saving lives, people will die in either scenario. Don't hold your breath for a vaccine. Not that one won't be discovered. It's just often times difficult and takes a long time. I feel that this was hyped up so much and so much damage has been done financially, politicians and experts can't reverse course since there would be shitstorm waiting for those people. Easier just to go with the flow and let the current situation take its course. Thoughts?Pretty much hit it on the head. It's a virus and sooner or later your catching it, no if ands or buts. This isn't even thinning the herd any. I'm 68 and never seen this country shut down for anything before.
You still refuse to answer my question. Did you even read what I said? Keep everything shut down, Jims. It's fine. Shut everything down until YOU tell us it's ok to come out from under our beds again. Give us nice little graphs and charts that "prove" your point when I know you are lying through your stupid teeth. If cases were up like you say then the AJC would be all over it because they are leftists like you who aren't happy unless everyone's lives are destroyed. But not a peep from the AJC. It must be nice for people like you and the AJC who have had no income interruption to lecture everyone else that they should be happy that their lives are being destroyed right before our eyes. That is what you are doing, Jims, that is what you are advocating. Cases and deaths have actually gone DOWN in Florida and Georgia, Jims, but that doesn't fit your narrow little agenda. And just what is your agenda, Jims? Why are you so adamant that there is only ONE way to address this virus instead of what I have advocated for, a strategy that takes into consideration the lives of EVERYONE, Jims. But you ignore that, Jims. You won't even consider it, Jims. Why Jims, why? When should we reopen, Jims, when nobody has a job anymore except you? Does that make sense to you, Jims? Does it make sense to you that the coronavirus is the only thing on this planet that must be addressed, Jims? What about people with other illnesses and afflictions whose medical problems have been put on the back burner because ONLY coronavirus cases count anymore, Jims? How many people will die from cancers that were diagnosed too late because of the mindless group think advocated by people like you, Jims? I could go on and on but it's useless, I know. For simpletons like you, Jims, it's shut everything down and destroy everyone's lives, Jims, and then excoriate people like me who try to talk some sense into your brain dead heads. But go ahead. Do it. In the pathetic group think that you are part of, Jims, you "might" "save" some lives (although how your group demands we do that is dubious at best) but then destroy millions more lives in the process. Sound like a good trade-off, Jims? You are more than willing to do it so it must be. Go ahead, Jims, do what you must do. The aftermath is going to be pure hell, Jims, pure hell. I am truly sorry that I cannot get you and others like you to even consider for a second how that aftermath is going to be. Do what you must do. We'll sort it all out in the wreckage that will follow and then we will see who walks away.I never said keep everything shutdown. What I said is that opening everything up like its Mardi Gras is insanity. But your claims have of cases going down clearly does not match what the GPH, or even Florida's numbers. But you go on living in your dream world. Please go out, honestly the only way you will start realizing your world is a lie, is either when you are on a ventilator or you lose a loved one. But you do you.
Here is the Florida covid hospitalization chart. Tell me its going down.
In my opinion, the best course of action is to open up everything and let nature take its course and yes that does include me. I feel confident that it won't affect me but if it does, so be it. A vast majority of people will be unaffected by this virus health wise. I think just about all of us have felt it financially. Some more than others. A person can't live their life in fear or else what's the point of living? I've heard celebrity after celebrity contracting the virus with little to no affects. Data from California has shown that the actual cases in the US of people who have contracted the virus is at least 8 times more than the people who have been tested and confirmed for having the virus. The actual death rate is far lower than what is being pushed out in the media. There are so many ways to die. What is the old saying? A hundred million ways to die. Assaults, car accidents, stroke, heart attack, cancer, fall of a roof, another virus, etc. People die every day in a variety of ways. This virus does not scare me, personally. You can't fight fate. People believe they can but they would be wrong. That's why it's called fate. What does scare me is our current economic situation. Congress are talking now about a $3 trillion relief package. If that happens, that's $5 trillion spent by the federal government in less than 60 days. Damn!! Current deficit of more than $24 trillion. When does it end? Money doesn't grow on trees.
And since January, what's happened to the flu? All of a sudden, it just disappeared. Strange. As a nation, we have two choices. Keep it closed, which affects just about everyone negatively or open it up, which would affect a small amount of people negatively. If your argument is about saving lives, people will die in either scenario. Don't hold your breath for a vaccine. Not that one won't be discovered. It's just often times difficult and takes a long time. I feel that this was hyped up so much and so much damage has been done financially, politicians and experts can't reverse course since there would be shitstorm waiting for those people. Easier just to go with the flow and let the current situation take its course. Thoughts?First, the purpose of the social distancing, was to stop the virus from spiraling out of control and overwhelm our medical systems. New York was literally on the verge of complete collapse for a few days there. And those initial estimates of fatalities. Guess what if we had lost 2 or 3% of our population, I guarantee our economy would be in a lot worse shape. Because when the news is filled with tens of thousands dying every day like we would of had, nobody is going to go to work, shop or travel. This was a controlled crash. Yeah its fucked up our economy for the next few years. But the alternative would of been a lot worse.
As for everyone (including me) posting data or articles sourcing GPH as a source. Well, stop it. Because apparently they have be fucking up the reporting and the numbers.
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/just-cuckoo-state-latest-data-mishap-causes-critics-cry-foul/182PpUvUX9XEF8vO11NVGO/
HobbyMan51
05-13-20, 23:41
Pretty much hit it on the head. It's a virus and sooner or later your catching it, no if ands or buts. This isn't even thinning the herd any. I'm 68 and never seen this country shut down for anything before.The difference is, John, that the group thinkers have been very successful with their propaganda and outright lies that the virus is a death sentence for EVERYBODY, young, old, weak, strong, health-compromised or healthy as a horse. The mortality rate for the virus is 100%, or at least it is according to their poisonous innuendos. The fact that it is quite the opposite, that at least 98% who test positive will actually LIVE, but they don't want anyone to believe that, even though it is true, because it suits their agenda of control and manipulation. Yes, a very high percentage of the elderly with pre-existing health conditions or other comorbidities will die if they come down with it, and that is certainly bad enough, but the group thinkers will have none of that. Every body die, according to them, and because too many weak-minded people believe their lies then you have this unprecedented situation where your country is withering away before your eyes. The group thinkers allow no other thought other than their own demand of societal suffocation. It's not their way or the highway, theirs IS the highway and you had damn well stay on their highway or else they will savage you into compliance. The idea that we could have protected the most vulnerable AND kept a stable economy is completely lost on them. I'll leave it up to you to figure out why. As for me, I have had enough of fighting their madness for the time being. But, tomorrow is another day.
Sgt Lurker
05-14-20, 05:58
Since COVID-19 is a hoax and it's safe to go out, let's agree that those who want to go back to work, school, church, play, etc. Can do so. However, when they get sick, they have to self-treat. You don't get access to our emergency rooms, you don't get our medicines, you don't get to infect our doctors and nurses, you don't get a ventilator and you damn sure don't get it all for free at Grady.
Since it's all a hoax anyway,
No one here is saying it is a hoax, no one. What is being said is the overreaction is totally uncalled for and Un-American. Too many people may die from lack of proper medical treatment because they have been scared by the false reporting and are now afraid to go to an emergency room when they need to. If we end up back in a full blown depression, people will die from lack of food and shelter. Let's find an answer somewhere in the middle.
Busy Lurker
05-14-20, 07:12
No one here is saying it is a hoax, no one. What is being said is the overreaction is totally uncalled for and Un-American. Too many people may die from lack of proper medical treatment because they have been scared by the false reporting and are now afraid to go to an emergency room when they need to. If we end up back in a full blown depression, people will die from lack of food and shelter. Let's find an answer somewhere in the middle.Everyone who says we the shut down is not necessary and that we should go back to business as usual, or with just a handful of cautions, is saying that the medical experts' warnings on the seriousness of this virus is a hoax.
You can't have it both ways. You don't believe a single person will die from lack of food and shelter. You don't believe that Fauci and Brix and Gates are providing false data. You don't believe that many people are dying from lack of proper medical treatment because. CNN.
Screaming about your need to go bowling or have your nails done or get a beer in a bar or crowd a Target or McDonald's is the same as calling this pandemic a hoax. How many seniors and children are you willing to kill so you can open the economy again? If you say opening back up isn't going to finally overwhelm our health care system, kill countless people and send us back inside for an even worse second shutdown, you're saying this is a hoax.
Which side of your mouth were you typing out of when you made that last post?
LuvThemTugs
05-14-20, 07:28
Forsyth County COVID-19, deaths 11.
Age Sex Underlying medical condition.
59 Male Unknown.
60 Male Unknown.
69 Female No.
71 Male Unknown.
71 Female Yes.
73 Male Unknown.
74 Female Unknown.
81 Female Unknown.
83 Male Unknown.
85 Male Yes.
87 Male Unknown.
I like my odd.
I'm very impressed by how smart this virus is. It won't infect you at a liquid store, Lowes or Home Depot. Wal-Mart, Target, Costco, Sam's Club or Whole foods. It does seek you out in church, nail & Hair salons. Bowling alleys any restaurant other than Waffle House and any mall. I'm not sure we are going to be able to outsmart such a clever virus.
CoochieMac
05-14-20, 08:29
No one here is saying it is a hoax, no one. What is being said is the overreaction is totally uncalled for and Un-American. Too many people may die from lack of proper medical treatment because they have been scared by the false reporting and are now afraid to go to an emergency room when they need to. If we end up back in a full blown depression, people will die from lack of food and shelter. Let's find an answer somewhere in the middle.I'm all for a person doing what they will. Except when you potentially harm others. This virus is real as hell. I've lost an aunt, a friend in his 50's and 2 neighbors since March. This is not imaginary. Being selfish is un American. Now you lurk, jerk and twerk til your heart's content, but catching and spreading the Rona is a real risk. Not to be hard hearted, but if you choose to assume the risk, keep it in the crowd that thinks this is concocted for political purposes. I'll keep my distance.
...the fucking WHO... lthe fucking deadly bat virus...
Fucking experts ...You are nothing if not eloquent Do you only know the one adjective?
I'm all for a person doing what they will. Except when you potentially harm others. This virus is real as hell. I've lost an aunt, a friend in his 50's and 2 neighbors since March. This is not imaginary. Being selfish is un American. Now you lurk, jerk and twerk til your heart's content, but catching and spreading the Rona is a real risk. Not to be hard hearted, but if you choose to assume the risk, keep it in the crowd that thinks this is concocted for political purposes. I'll keep my distance.Stevie wonder can see what all the blue state govs, Nancy and her crew, and most all the cdc nih people ie gov bureaucracy, are doing.
No. The virus wasn't concocted for political purposes, but if you don't think they are taking advantage of it, for political purposes then they are blind.
Everyone who says we the shut down is not necessary and that we should go back to business as usual, or with just a handful of cautions, is saying that the medical experts' warnings on the seriousness of this virus is a hoax.
You can't have it both ways. You don't believe a single person will die from lack of food and shelter. You don't believe that Fauci and Brix and Gates are providing false data. You don't believe that many people are dying from lack of proper medical treatment because. CNN.
Screaming about your need to go bowling or have your nails done or get a beer in a bar or crowd a Target or McDonald's is the same as calling this pandemic a hoax. How many seniors and children are you willing to kill so you can open the economy again? If you say opening back up isn't going to finally overwhelm our health care system, kill countless people and send us back inside for an even worse second shutdown, you're saying this is a hoax.
Which side of your mouth were you typing out of when you made that last post?It won't overwhelm the healthcare system.
If you don't believe "all the experts" could be off exponentially in their predictions.
Then, well I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
But life has to go on, the virus will be here or it won't,but we just can't hide in our homes forever.
So far it hasn't been enough to just flatten the curve.
If you go back and watch, it's never enough.
Aaron Hamlet
05-14-20, 11:55
You are nothing if not eloquent Do you only know the one adjective?You're over 70. Have a heart condition. You're part of the 99% of all who contract China Virus something bad happens to and you want the remaining 1% to lockdown quarantine for your benefit.
Fuck you, you selfish, greasy, fear mongering prick of an old man. Do you find that a better, more eloquent adjective usage?
HobbyMan51
05-14-20, 12:03
I never said keep everything shutdown. What I said is that opening everything up like its Mardi Gras is insanity. But your claims have of cases going down clearly does not match what the GPH, or even Florida's numbers. But you go on living in your dream world. Please go out, honestly the only way you will start realizing your world is a lie, is either when you are on a ventilator or you lose a loved one. But you do you.
Here is the Florida covid hospitalization chart. Tell me its going down.You're babbling now, Jims, your syntax makes no sense. Your charts and graphs make no sense either. Did you get them off of the CNN website? Doesn't matter. I have you. All you can do is sputter little inanities at me like a little child who has had his cookies taken away from him. My "dream" world is one of common sense that benefits the most people possible and I never have advocated for opening up like it's Mardi Gras. But I know that little talking point makes you feel better about yourself so do what you have to do. What you fail to see is that your fearful proposals DO encourage pervasive shutdown, something that might make you and other tremblers like you feel better about yourselves but does nothing for the common good. By the way, I do go out, whenever possible. I know people who have tested positive and the only thing it meant for them was that they tested positive. They didn't get sick, they didn't die. You can threaten me all you like with the grim news of death from the virus but the facts remain that not only will the overwhelming majority of people NOT die but they won't even get SICK. I know this is not what you want to hear but I am not going to get sick and I certainly am not going to die from this virus even if I do get sick, and I am in the age group of the so-called "most vulnerable". People like you have killed us with your nanny-state, hovering, mindless fear. Probably the thing that bothers me the most is that you and others like you refuse to understand what your myopic, self-righteous groupthink has done to the rest of us. But you don't care. It's all about you and your feelings of "safety". One day you will understand what you have done to the rest of us but by then it will be too late. You think that you are "protecting" the masses out there? What you are really doing is sentencing millions to the slow, painful death of economic starvation. But you don't care. It's all about you and your narcissistic fears. Go do what you must do but you are wrong, I promise you.
You're over 70. Have a heart condition. Incorrect, as usual.
You remind me of the old adage that says you should never wrestle with a pig. You both get filthy, but the pig enjoys it.
If that was too advanced for you, you are the pig.
Ciao.
Aaron Hamlet
05-14-20, 17:27
Incorrect, as usual.
You remind me of the old adage that says you should never wrestle with a pig. You both get filthy, but the pig enjoys it.
If that was too advanced for you, you are the pig.
Ciao.Okay. 68-72 and a recent stroke victim. Still puts you in the 99+% risk group. Still a fear monger. Still a selfish prick of an old man.
Trump: “We have the best testing in the world. Could be that testing’s, frankly, overrated. Maybe it is overrated.”
He added: “We have more cases than anybody in the world, but why? Because we do more testing. When you test, you have a case. When you test you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases. They don’t want to write that. It’s common sense. We test much more.”A complete Lunatic at the helm. Like Joe Stalin once said, "It's not how many bodies get buried that counts, it's who does the counting".
Sgt Lurker
05-14-20, 23:55
I am curious about those of you who want to continue to hide in your homes because of what certain (not all) health care "experts" are touting. Do you do absolutely EVERYTHING your medical professional tells you to do? Did you stop smoking? Did you start exercising? Have you lost or are losing the weight to get to where they want you to be? Absolutely everything to the nth degree? If not, you really have nothing more to say. You do not listen to your own personal medical professional, you listen to their advice and then you choose which you will and won't do.
I do not follow everything they say either, as I said before, they ask me once a year if I am taking a Flu Shot and already know my answer is no. I have not lost all the weight he wants me to but I have lost some. We hear and we choose what we will do and take responsibility for our own actions.
You're babbling now, Jims, your syntax makes no sense. Your charts and graphs make no sense either. Did you get them off of the CNN website? Doesn't matter. I have you. All you can do is sputter little inanities at me like a little child who has had his cookies taken away from him. My "dream" world is one of common sense that benefits the most people possible and I never have advocated for opening up like it's Mardi Gras. But I know that little talking point makes you feel better about yourself so do what you have to do. What you fail to see is that your fearful proposals DO encourage pervasive shutdown, something that might make you and other tremblers like you feel better about yourselves but does nothing for the common good. By the way, I do go out, whenever possible. I know people who have tested positive and the only thing it meant for them was that they tested positive. They didn't get sick, they didn't die. You can threaten me all you like with the grim news of death from the virus but the facts remain that not only will the overwhelming majority of people NOT die but they won't even get SICK. I know this is not what you want to hear but I am not going to get sick and I certainly am not going to die from this virus even if I do get sick, and I am in the age group of the so-called "most vulnerable". People like you have killed us with your nanny-state, hovering, mindless fear. Probably the thing that bothers me the most is that you and others like you refuse to understand what your myopic, self-righteous groupthink has done to the rest of us. But you don't care. It's all about you and your feelings of "safety". One day you will understand what you have done to the rest of us but by then it will be too late. You think that you are "protecting" the masses out there? What you are really doing is sentencing millions to the slow, painful death of economic starvation. But you don't care. It's all about you and your narcissistic fears. Go do what you must do but you are wrong, I promise you.
. Do you do absolutely EVERYTHING your medical professional tells you to do?
Sadly, no.
Did you stop smoking?
No. I never started.
Did you start exercising?
No again, as I never stopped.
Have you lost or are losing the weight to get to where they want you to be?
You got me again. I am at the weight I want to be.
Absolutely everything to the nth degree? If not, you really have nothing more to say.
Wow. I admit to not flossing as well or as often as I should. I guess that means I have lost all voice about a global pandemic?
You do not listen to your own personal medical professional, you listen to their advice and then you choose which you will and won't do.
I guess my opinion that we should take some basic precautions, like wearing masks in public and maintaining social distancing has been rendered silent by my shortcomings in dental hygiene.
As for hiding in my house, I'm not. I'm going about my life as best I can, being ever mindful of the health and safety of others. For that, I have been called "selfish."
I can live with that. Or I could become more "generous" and do my best to insure that the pandemic lasts as long as possible and creates the most misery for society.
Please reconsider your stance on vaccinations. Its a team effort, and as a human being, you are on the team whether you like it or not.Good health.
Sgt Lurker
05-15-20, 22:04
Good health.Trust me, the Army ensured I got all my vaccinations in my 23 years wearing the uniform. Enough that the only thing my former Navy Dr put me one the times I went to India was Hydroxychloroquine, you know, that stuff that has proved effective in many cases in treating COVID.
Trust me, the Army ensured I got all my vaccinations in my 23 years wearing the uniform. Enough that the only thing my former Navy Dr put me one the times I went to India was Hydroxychloroquine, you know, that stuff that has proved effective in many cases in treating COVID.So many vaccinations, thought my deltoids were turning into pin cushions. Shit happens.
Everyone who says we the shut down is not necessary and that we should go back to business as usual, or with just a handful of cautions, is saying that the medical experts' warnings on the seriousness of this virus is a hoax.
You can't have it both ways. You don't believe a single person will die from lack of food and shelter. You don't believe that Fauci and Brix and Gates are providing false data. You don't believe that many people are dying from lack of proper medical treatment because. CNN.
Screaming about your need to go bowling or have your nails done or get a beer in a bar or crowd a Target or McDonald's is the same as calling this pandemic a hoax. How many seniors and children are you willing to kill so you can open the economy again? If you say opening back up isn't going to finally overwhelm our health care system, kill countless people and send us back inside for an even worse second shutdown, you're saying this is a hoax.
Which side of your mouth were you typing out of when you made that last post?Well said Lurker. By June 30th we know the effects of reopening. 200 K.
Well said Lurker. By June 30th we know the effects of reopening. 200 K.Yep, to open or not, one thing is for damn sure there will be plenty of crow to serve those on the losing side of this argument.
HobbyMan51
05-17-20, 10:58
Well said Lurker. By June 30th we know the effects of reopening. 200 K."We know!" he says. So, approx. 120000 more people are going to die in the next 6 weeks with both Ga. And Fla. Declining and even NY (assuming the Guv doesn't do something even more asinine to kill more nursing home patients) on the way down. I think TW gets off on making tall, ridiculous predictions because it makes him feel sooo good! TW doesn't really care how many people die, he just wants to be right. Which he won't be. Not even close. Too bad.
Sgt Lurker
05-17-20, 17:33
"We know!" he says. So, approx. 120000 more people are going to die in the next 6 weeks with both Ga. And Fla. Declining and even NY (assuming the Guv doesn't do something even more asinine to kill more nursing home patients) on the way down. I think TW gets off on making tall, ridiculous predictions because it makes him feel sooo good! TW doesn't really care how many people die, he just wants to be right. Which he won't be. Not even close. Too bad.Well both sides will claim they were right when this is all over and there will not be any way to prove one side or the other. And No, saying reopen is not calling the virus a hoax. It is saying the government over reacted as usual, falsified numbers to make it look worse than what it was and put fear into everyone AND destroy what was a great economy. When a governor can say that you go on a sailboat but not a motor boat, it is not about the virus. When another says only 2 people can be on a boat regardless of whether it is 10 feet long or 300 feet long, it is not about the virus. When you go to the box stores and buy certain items but not other, it is not about the virus. It is all about seeing how many sheep are out there.
Good health.Good for you and keep it up.
First and foremost you may be a monger, a hobbyist, whatever you want to call yourself but guys please lets get our shit together.
A SB arrangement is DIFFERENT then a ESCORT or any other arrangement. Why is it different you say? Because unlike pros there are quite a few diamonds out there and they aren't trying to be a piece of meat but looking to enjoy themselves and have fun and have supplementary income. So in thus when we share our information such as we met Girl A For let say 3 she might charge you 4 or 5 or even more but that doesn't mean she's a pro she's all about finding what she wants out there too and maybe for a MUCH older guy she would have to charge more to enjoy the fun and so be it. But, DON't go out outting your fellow members saying hey on this site you met dude for 3. Because when it all comes down to an SB arrangement respect is a huge thing and yes you can be a playa and have many many sugar babies of every day of the week etc etc but respect them. If its not in your budget move along. There are alot of diamonds that I or maybe other SDs would love to share info about but, if you go out outting us. We can' t give that kind of information out. Reason being is we're not trying to have you ruin the game and treating every girl on SA or SDM or whatever SB site you may end up using as if its your typical listcrawler or escort site. Realize one thing getting into an arrangement is based on 1) your own personality and game and 2) How you treat them they don't want to feel like they are a prostitute especially alot of the NON pros on the site so don't go out treating them like that. I promise you will score more and with MUCH better quality women if you do so. I typically go for only 8-10's the money amounts always vary. But realize when your having an arrangement with the person of choice it's not just about a lay. They are about having fun to maybe going out to eat something nice, or hanging out watching a movie. They aren't like escorts where they time you on their own timewatch and then kick your ass to the curb. There are also PROS on that site and yes we list them and call them out for a reason because the fun of having an Arrangement with a SB is that 1) they are low volume and 2) you might get a catch you might not be able to get in your NORMAL life because of age, looks, race, etc etc And they can be quite rewarding and be sexually fufilling in many ways.
So please if someone shares a girl and for whatever reason they aren't into you or into your allowance offer don't go about flaming them or putting us on the spot. It just means you couldn't coax them or your really just not your type. So go about your business and find YOUR Type. Its a simple "Thank you have a great time and I wish you the best of luck on your search" Not neccesary to point us out otherwise no info will be shared. Once again the GOLDEN part of SB's is your sleeping with NON Pros and enjoying other aspects of having a companion not your 60 Quicky SW.
Thank you.
1st noobs with less than 20 posts who have only been here for a month don't get to lecture the membership on a review page. That's why I moved this to the stupid shit page.
2nd. PRO mean PROstitute and that is what you call a woman who sells sex to many men, some people call them an escort but what she isn't is a SB, she's a hooker. If she was an SB she would have A sugar daddy. She wouldn't be selling pussy on the internet.
3. Please stop buying your own delusions. You refer to the as SB's so that they fuck you more like girlfriends but it's not about your game, you are not a Playa, you are a john, being a john is good, it means you get laid without the bullshit.
Think what you want to think but the amount has to do with the mongers ability to negotiate nothing more. After the first trick all these prostitutes care about is if you are washed or not.
Please keep bloviating like this off the review threads.
A2.
First and foremost you may be a monger, a hobbyist, whatever you want to call yourself but guys please lets get our shit together.
A SB arrangement is DIFFERENT then a ESCORT or any other arrangement. Why is it different you say? Because unlike pros there are quite a few diamonds out there and they aren't trying to be a piece of meat but looking to enjoy themselves and have fun and have supplementary income. So in thus when we share our information such as we met Girl A For let say 3 she might charge you 4 or 5 or even more but that doesn't mean she's a pro she's all about finding what she wants out there too and maybe for a MUCH older guy she would have to charge more to enjoy the fun and so be it. But, DON't go out outting your fellow members saying hey on this site you met dude for 3. Because when it all comes down to an SB arrangement respect is a huge thing and yes you can be a playa and have many many sugar babies of every day of the week etc etc but respect them. If its not in your budget move along. There are alot of diamonds that I or maybe other SDs would love to share info about but, if you go out outting us. We can' t give that kind of information out. Reason being is we're not trying to have you ruin the game and treating every girl on SA or SDM or whatever SB site you may end up using as if its your typical listcrawler or escort site. Realize one thing getting into an arrangement is based on 1) your own personality and game and 2) How you treat them they don't want to feel like they are a prostitute especially alot of the NON pros on the site so don't go out treating them like that. I promise you will score more and with MUCH better quality women if you do so. I typically go for only 8-10's the money amounts always vary. But realize when your having an arrangement with the person of choice it's not just about a lay. They are about having fun to maybe going out to eat something nice, or hanging out watching a movie. They aren't like escorts where they time you on their own timewatch and then kick your ass to the curb. There are also PROS on that site and yes we list them and call them out for a reason because the fun of having an Arrangement with a SB is that 1) they are low volume and 2) you might get a catch you might not be able to get in your NORMAL life because of age, looks, race, etc etc And they can be quite rewarding and be sexually fufilling in many ways.
So please if someone shares a girl and for whatever reason they aren't into you or into your allowance offer don't go about flaming them or putting us on the spot. It just means you couldn't coax them or your really just not your type. So go about your business and find YOUR Type. Its a simple "Thank you have a great time and I wish you the best of luck on your search" Not neccesary to point us out otherwise no info will be shared. Once again the GOLDEN part of SB's is your sleeping with NON Pros and enjoying other aspects of having a companion not your 60 Quicky SW.
Thank you.
Aaron Hamlet
06-03-20, 08:49
A man in Colorado arrested for playing catch with his daughter in an empty park on a beautiful Spring afternoon. He didn't quarantine / lockdown, practice social distancing.
A woman in Dallas arrested for opening her hair salon so she and her workers could eke out a living. She violated a local lockdown / quarantine order.
NYC mayor sends his police to raid a temple and arrest Jews who only practiced their religion. They violated the NYC China Virus ordinance against mass gatherings.
NYC mayor opens the beaches but warns citizens if they go into the water, NYC cops will go into the ocean and arrest them for violating his China Virus edict.
Hundreds of thousands gather in mass to protest. They violate curfew orders, don't wear masks and don't practice safe social China virus distancing. Nothing happens to them.
Criminals loot, burn, murder, vandalize thousands of business' across the country and, especially in NYC, there are few if any police around. But they'll set up stings, spend tens of thousands of dollars to bust you for getn a hooker. They let the looting criminals do what they want. Looters don't wear masks or practice safe China virus social distancing. Few are arrested.
Used to think I was too cynical. Thought a majority, no matter how educated, were ignorant, lacked common sense and the ability to think for themselves and practice free will. These last few months have showed me I wasn't cynical enough and gave those ignorant China Virus fear mongering motherfuckers and their 'Thought Leaders' too much credit.
You are making this way too complicated, if you're paying a woman to rent her pussy, you're a john and she's a hoe. End of story!
First and foremost you may be a monger, a hobbyist, whatever you want to call yourself but guys please lets get our shit together.
A SB arrangement is DIFFERENT then a ESCORT or any other arrangement. Why is it different you say? Because unlike pros there are quite a few diamonds out there and they aren't trying to be a piece of meat but looking to enjoy themselves and have fun and have supplementary income. So in thus when we share our information such as we met Girl A For let say 3 she might charge you 4 or 5 or even more but that doesn't mean she's a pro she's all about finding what she wants out there too and maybe for a MUCH older guy she would have to charge more to enjoy the fun and so be it. But, DON't go out outting your fellow members saying hey on this site you met dude for 3. Because when it all comes down to an SB arrangement respect is a huge thing and yes you can be a playa and have many many sugar babies of every day of the week etc etc but respect them. If its not in your budget move along. There are alot of diamonds that I or maybe other SDs would love to share info about but, if you go out outting us. We can' t give that kind of information out. Reason being is we're not trying to have you ruin the game and treating every girl on SA or SDM or whatever SB site you may end up using as if its your typical listcrawler or escort site. Realize one thing getting into an arrangement is based on 1) your own personality and game and 2) How you treat them they don't want to feel like they are a prostitute especially alot of the NON pros on the site so don't go out treating them like that. I promise you will score more and with MUCH better quality women if you do so. I typically go for only 8-10's the money amounts always vary. But realize when your having an arrangement with the person of choice it's not just about a lay. They are about having fun to maybe going out to eat something nice, or hanging out watching a movie. They aren't like escorts where they time you on their own timewatch and then kick your ass to the curb. There are also PROS on that site and yes we list them and call them out for a reason because the fun of having an Arrangement with a SB is that 1) they are low volume and 2) you might get a catch you might not be able to get in your NORMAL life because of age, looks, race, etc etc And they can be quite rewarding and be sexually fufilling in many ways.
So please if someone shares a girl and for whatever reason they aren't into you or into your allowance offer don't go about flaming them or putting us on the spot. It just means you couldn't coax them or your really just not your type. So go about your business and find YOUR Type. Its a simple "Thank you have a great time and I wish you the best of luck on your search" Not neccesary to point us out otherwise no info will be shared. Once again the GOLDEN part of SB's is your sleeping with NON Pros and enjoying other aspects of having a companion not your 60 Quicky SW.
Thank you.
KingSlayer22
06-03-20, 10:22
First and foremost you may be a monger, a hobbyist, whatever you want to call yourself but guys please lets get our shit together.
A SB arrangement is DIFFERENT then a ESCORT or any other arrangement. Why is it different you say? Because unlike pros there are quite a few diamonds out there and they aren't trying to be a piece of meat but looking to enjoy themselves and have fun and have supplementary income.
Thank you.You really need to know plenty of those SA girls have done parties for not a quicky but a three hour ho down taking 30 or 40 loads in all three due to "just trying to make ends meet" . You are seriously fooling yourself taking some moral high ground by saying its not an escort. Remember our best party girls come from SA and most have never done shit like it before which most prefer not having a pro. Several do it to pay off some big expensive bill of some sort and get out, although most comeback because they arent very good with their finances. We've had married women, ones with bf's, single moms scraping by whatever the case may be. You probably got one of our gbg's somewhere along the way but you can think their all yours all you want LOL.
There is definitely a difference in the quality between sugar babies and escorts. Either way you are paying for sex, whatever makes you feel better about it. I have had a few sugar babies that have came over without wanting money so that is a difference. Also I enjoy going out to nice places, getting drinks, smoking together etc. I've had some really good escort experiences and some really bad sugar baby experiences but for the most part sbs are way more consistent, don't limit time or amount of nuts and enjiy having conversations. That is more what I like, I am fully aware that I am only being talked to for my money. So guess I am somewhere between silentk guy and the other people who replied. Also to me sbs are safer, less risk of pi. P interaction and police interaction. Lot more scammers though. As always YMMV.
IslandParty
06-03-20, 13:45
You really need to know plenty of those SA girls have done parties for not a quicky but a three hour ho down taking 30 or 40 loads in all three due to "just trying to make ends meet" . You are seriously fooling yourself taking some moral high ground by saying its not an escort. Remember our best party girls come from SA and most have never done shit like it before which most prefer not having a pro. Several do it to pay off some big expensive bill of some sort and get out, although most comeback because they arent very good with their finances. We've had married women, ones with bf's, single moms scraping by whatever the case may be. You probably got one of our gbg's somewhere along the way but you can think their all yours all you want LOL.Mojo had a vast majority from SA too. 2 were engaged to be married and they took cream pie after cream pie all night. Mojo was shocked when one SA girl told him she was actually engaged. Some of these SA girls remind me of girls who work in bars and stripclubs. I knew one girl was a PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER, another was a university of Georgia girl who was real smart. They be taking dick ALL NIGHT just the same.
Mojo had a vast majority from SA too. 2 were engaged to be married and they took cream pie after cream pie all night. Mojo was shocked when one SA girl told him she was actually engaged. Some of these SA girls remind me of girls who work in bars and stripclubs. I knew one girl was a PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER, another was a university of Georgia girl who was real smart. They be taking dick ALL NIGHT just the same.Some of these ladies want the SB moniker instead of being considered an escort.
A man in Colorado arrested for playing catch with his daughter in an empty park on a beautiful Spring afternoon. He didn't quarantine / lockdown, practice social distancing.
A woman in Dallas arrested for opening her hair salon so she and her workers could eke out a living. She violated a local lockdown / quarantine order.
NYC mayor sends his police to raid a temple and arrest Jews who only practiced their religion. They violated the NYC China Virus ordinance against mass gatherings.
NYC mayor opens the beaches but warns citizens if they go into the water, NYC cops will go into the ocean and arrest them for violating his China Virus edict.
Hundreds of thousands gather in mass to protest. They violate curfew orders, don't wear masks and don't practice safe social China virus distancing. Nothing happens to them.
Criminals loot, burn, murder, vandalize thousands of business' across the country and, especially in NYC, there are few if any police around. But they'll set up stings, spend tens of thousands of dollars to bust you for getn a hooker. They let the looting criminals do what they want. Looters don't wear masks or practice safe China virus social distancing. Few are arrested.
Used to think I was too cynical. Thought a majority, no matter how educated, were ignorant, lacked common sense and the ability to think for themselves and practice free will. These last few months have showed me I wasn't cynical enough and gave those ignorant China Virus fear mongering motherfuckers and their 'Thought Leaders' too much credit.Amen, brother.
If these last few months don't open all our eyes. Well, it prob won't.
Some of these ladies want the SB moniker instead of being considered an escortAnd yet a rental hole is still a rental hole. The basics never change.
A man in Colorado arrested for playing catch with his daughter in an empty park on a beautiful Spring afternoon. He didn't quarantine / lockdown, practice social distancing.
A woman in Dallas arrested for opening her hair salon so she and her workers could eke out a living. She violated a local lockdown / quarantine order.
NYC mayor sends his police to raid a temple and arrest Jews who only practiced their religion. They violated the NYC China Virus ordinance against mass gatherings.
NYC mayor opens the beaches but warns citizens if they go into the water, NYC cops will go into the ocean and arrest them for violating his China Virus edict.
Hundreds of thousands gather in mass to protest. They violate curfew orders, don't wear masks and don't practice safe social China virus distancing. Nothing happens to them.
Criminals loot, burn, murder, vandalize thousands of business' across the country and, especially in NYC, there are few if any police around. But they'll set up stings, spend tens of thousands of dollars to bust you for getn a hooker. They let the looting criminals do what they want. Looters don't wear masks or practice safe China virus social distancing. Few are arrested.
Used to think I was too cynical. Thought a majority, no matter how educated, were ignorant, lacked common sense and the ability to think for themselves and practice free will. These last few months have showed me I wasn't cynical enough and gave those ignorant China Virus fear mongering motherfuckers and their 'Thought Leaders' too much credit.Remember when those criminals stormed a federal building and had a standoff with police and no curfews or military was deployed. Hell I think they even got a pardon from the same dude now beating the drums for law and order. Now all of a sudden the police are shooting at people on there own porches and streets with rubber bullets and teargas.
Aaron Hamlet
06-03-20, 18:18
Remember when those criminals stormed a federal building and had a standoff with police and no curfews or military was deployed. Hell I think they even got a pardon from the same dude now beating the drums for law and order. Now all of a sudden the police are shooting at people on there own porches and streets with rubber bullets and teargas.I don't remember criminals storming a federal building and having a standoff w / police and getting a pardon. Didn't hear about people getting gassed on their front porch.
* Oh. Those guys who stormed a building in a federal wildlife refuge in rural Oregon. Wanton violence, looting, death and destruction there wasn't it.
TechSticles
06-03-20, 18:26
I don't remember criminals storming a federal building and having a standoff w / police and getting a pardon. Didn't hear about people getting gassed on their front porch.
* Oh. Those guys who stormed a building in a federal wildlife refuge in rural Oregon. Wanton violence, looting, death and destruction there wasn't it.Never heard of the Bundy's? Those asshats did shit that would be getting these other protesters killed. The 2014 wasn't the first or last time we let those dickheads act up with no repercussions.
Aaron Hamlet
06-03-20, 19:05
Never heard of the Bundy's? Those asshats did shit that would be getting these other protesters killed. The 2014 wasn't the first or last time we let those dickheads act up with no repercussions.Yeah I have. I edited before your response. Those heathen fucks who occupied an out building on a federal wildlife reserve in rural Oregon are exactly the same as what we've seen this week. Arson, looting, murder and theft on a national scale. Those white boys in Oregon didn't practice safe social distancing or wear masks either. Granted, it was 2014, but you know those people who don't wear masks or practice social distancing during a pandemic don't care about their neighbors or our healthcare professionals. Orangeman did pardon two of the group, not Bundy's. But Orangeman bad. Who doesn't know that?
And yet a rental hole is still a rental hole. The basics never change.The end results are still the same nonetheless.
The one good outcome of all this looting and burning shops and attacking police and regular people. In all this not one single pair of work boots have been stolen.
The end results are still the same nonetheless.Thank you for echoing my point.
TechSticles
06-03-20, 22:30
Yeah I have. I edited before your response. Those heathen fucks who occupied an out building on a federal wildlife reserve in rural Oregon are exactly the same as what we've seen this week. Arson, looting, murder and theft on a national scale. Those white boys in Oregon didn't practice safe social distancing or wear masks either. Granted, it was 2014, but you know those people who don't wear masks or practice social distancing during a pandemic don't care about their neighbors or our healthcare professionals. Orangeman did pardon two of the group, not Bundy's. But Orangeman bad. Who doesn't know that?I can see you're hunkered down with your guy's twitter, OAN and a lack of empathy or understanding of anything but your (or "orangeman's) myopic viewpoint. So you, know. Go suck orangeman's cock. Since you seem to want to do it figuratively, make it a reality. If anyone ever wonders what your opinion is on any issue, we can just look at your sugardaddy's twitter account.
On the off-chance you might actually want to invest some time learning about your much maligned little white folks holding a shack on federal land, you might take a little time off Breitbart and go read/listen to this:
Bundyville: The Remnant : Longreads
https://longreads.com/bundyville/
Bundyville : NPR
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/606441988/bundyville
Don't let the work "longread" scare you off.
Aaron Hamlet
06-04-20, 08:37
Either China Virus was a huge scam or local and state governments are letting China virus spread like wildfire throughout the country.
Either China Virus was a huge scam or local and state governments are letting China virus spread like wildfire throughout the country.Not a scam, it is real, but they weaponized it to create even MORE fear and the rules change based on how the government wants to keep you controlled.
In any case, they need to figure out the shit the need to do so we can get back to some normalcy. Them unemployment numbers are laughable.
Either China Virus was a huge scam or local and state governments are letting China virus spread like wildfire throughout the country.
MajMilkDuds
06-07-20, 09:01
What was the damage?I guess it depends on how your game is and if she likes you. I think it wout be from 2-4.
Johnny Mapalo
06-07-20, 09:13
I guess it depends on how your game is and if she likes you. I think it wout be from 2-4.It's all about that "Mac" game. If we don't have "game", unlike most of you guys on here, we can look forward to paying the max amount to get laid. If we are blessed enough to have "game", then we can sweet talk her down to a low low number. Anybody on here ever had so much "game" that they got it for free? Like paid for a hotel room and used their "game" to get her to come over and bang for free? Now, that is what I would call the "ultimate game".
It's all about that "Mac" game. If we don't have "game", unlike most of you guys on here, we can look forward to paying the max amount to get laid. If we are blessed enough to have "game", then we can sweet talk her down to a low low number. Anybody on here ever had so much "game" that they got it for free? Like paid for a hotel room and used their "game" to get her to come over and bang for free? Now, that is what I would call the "ultimate game".
I guess it depends on how your game is and if she likes you. I think it wout be from 2-4.She doesn't ever like you, she likes the money. Game isn't about being a loverboy game with hookers is knowing and acting from the knowledge that there is no shortage of pussy and I can go longer without pussy then they can without rent. The most expensive pussy in the world is free, making them want to give it to you isn't hard but the fucking price you pay for that free pussy is huge.
This is my game: "If you want this money then get over here and suck my dick, because if you don't I'll find somebody else in a minute that wants it."
A2
ExMyNtMILF
06-07-20, 10:40
She doesn't ever like you, she likes the money. Game isn't about being a loverboy game with hookers is knowing and acting from the knowledge that there is no shortage of pussy and I can go longer without pussy then they can without rent. The most expensive pussy in the world is free, making them want to give it to you isn't hard but the fucking price you pay for that free pussy is huge.
This is my game: "If you want this money then get over here and suck my dick, because if you don't I'll find somebody else in a minute that wants it."
A2We have a sliding scale in our head. And I speak for UTR, pros are pros and will do you just for cash. As an UTR if your handsome I need less, of you're hung and are a good lover: less and if you have some class, bring champagne, food it may be free so you are absolutely correct there is a benefit to having "good game" but if you're into all about you Pump and dump then yes I only care about your cash. I would think this is common sense I mean we are women and want to be treated kindly, IMO.
She doesn't ever like you, she likes the money. Game isn't about being a loverboy game with hookers is knowing and acting from the knowledge that there is no shortage of pussy and I can go longer without pussy then they can without rent. The most expensive pussy in the world is free, making them want to give it to you isn't hard but the fucking price you pay for that free pussy is huge.
This is my game: "If you want this money then get over here and suck my dick, because if you don't I'll find somebody else in a minute that wants it."
A2Save for the Alpha Males who walk around with natural BDE, most of us will have to employ this strategy. I present the most value in this relationship as I have the money. As long as I keep it as a business decision, then I retain my ability to walk when I don't get what I am looking for. The problem comes with I catch feelings or see it as a conquest that I must overcome. When I do that, I just get in my own way.
The toughest person to negotiate with in the "real world" is someone who truly doesn't care and has options.
She's still around ATL and great at what she does. I'll cover the 2. 5 since she allows multiple rounds.OK I'm not a senior by title but I've been on here for years and tried to even share info on a sugar baby till someone told the girl about this site and post, yikes. But you guys are definitely over paying for some of these chicks, especially overused gang bang cooch. The things some if you brag about for 250 are from junkie looking chicks sometimes, I saw one black chick I met on seeking that fucked and creampie for free and you guys are shelling 250 to GB and feeling lucky to get a one on one. Some of the things you guy act so lucky to get I've had hotter chicks in the 150 range and still swallow with creampies to the other 2 holes, ijs it's a lot of simping and no personality dudes overpaying acting like they getting pornstar service from basic looking chicks with pornstar prices but it's pornstars with better rates and people listen to gret ripped off. Then you do a little research and find one "clean" girl hangs with another that's a junkie. Stop giving gangbang junkies top dollar.
Either China Virus was a huge scam or local and state governments are letting China virus spread like wildfire throughout the country.It's not the China Virus but the "Trump Virus". He chose to call it a hoax and allow it to spread like wildfire and kill over 130,000 innocent Americans and still makes it seem like it was a big joke. So now he has to own it and the history books will name it after him.
Aaron Hamlet
06-11-20, 20:16
It's not the China Virus but the "Trump Virus". He chose to call it a hoax and allow it to spread like wildfire and kill over 130,000 innocent Americans and still makes it seem like it was a big joke. So now he has to own it and the history books will name it after him.Oh. Deep. Edgy.
Were did the virus originate? Now everyone in unison say China! It didn't start in Pakistan. It didn't start in Malaysia. It didn't start India. It didn't start Mexico. It didn't start in Honduras. It started in come on now it's okay we all know you really want to say it. China!
TechSticles
06-11-20, 20:59
Oh. Deep. Edgy.Not to mention Accurate.
TechSticles
06-11-20, 21:00
Were did the virus originate? Now everyone in unison say China! It didn't start in Pakistan. It didn't start in Malaysia. It didn't start India. It didn't start Mexico. It didn't start in Honduras. It started in come on now it's okay we all know you really want to say it. China!I imagine you dropped out of a vagina in the US, but we that didn't make us call it Asshat.
]The first reported case was in China that is a fact. MERS aka middle eastern respiratory syndrome had its first case in the middle east. Wuhan a city in China had the first verifiable case. The origin of the virus is not political it is geographical. Just because you may or may not be a Trump supporter does not change were the virus originated. I was just having fun.
HobbyMan51
06-11-20, 22:43
It's not the China Virus but the "Trump Virus". He chose to call it a hoax and allow it to spread like wildfire and kill over 130,000 innocent Americans and still makes it seem like it was a big joke. So now he has to own it and the history books will name it after him.That's very interesting since the latest info today from Johns Hopkins puts the USA Death toll at just under 114 k. I suppose that Trump hatred of yours is worth another 17 k or so? Not to mention the hospitals labeling every death they can lay their hands on as Covid-19 so that they can get more money from the Feds so we really don't know the true figures although you, the all knowing all seeing one, say it's over 130 k so it must be true, right? Also I seem to recall Fauci downplaying the virus as late as February and the Democrats calling Trump a racist for issuing the travel ban on Jan. 30. And now you give us your grand pronouncement that history books will name the virus after him. The only hoax and big joke I see is you. Unfortunately with such a terminal case of TDS that you and so many others have, the truth is most secondary to your testosterone boosting hatred. Hate on, while the country is destroyed around you. I know that I will receive a deranged response from you. Your type is always good for that, so predictable. I will not read it, and I will not respond especially not to someone who just pulls figures out of his ass and demands that we believe him. You are not in pursuit of the truth. You only pursue lies and hatred. Own that.
With all the conflicting information from Doctors from every side the only doctors that I trust are Dr. Seuss and Dr Pepper.
That's very interesting since the latest info today from Johns Hopkins puts the USA Death toll at just under 114 k. I suppose that Trump hatred of yours is worth another 17 k or so? Not to mention the hospitals labeling every death they can lay their hands on as Covid-19 so that they can get more money from the Feds so we really don't know the true figures although you, the all knowing all seeing one, say it's over 130 k so it must be true, right? Also I seem to recall Fauci downplaying the virus as late as February and the Democrats calling Trump a racist for issuing the travel ban on Jan. 30. And now you give us your grand pronouncement that history books will name the virus after him. The only hoax and big joke I see is you. Unfortunately with such a terminal case of TDS that you and so many others have, the truth is most secondary to your testosterone boosting hatred. Hate on, while the country is destroyed around you. I know that I will receive a deranged response from you. Your type is always good for that, so predictable. I will not read it, and I will not respond especially not to someone who just pulls figures out of his ass and demands that we believe him. You are not in pursuit of the truth. You only pursue lies and hatred. Own that.How Many People Die of Cancer Each Year? In 2020, an estimated 606,520 people will die of cancer in the United States. Lung and bronchus cancer is responsible for the most deaths with 135,720 people expected to die from this disease. Just wanted to throw out those numbers to get some perspective. I don't minimize the number of people that will die from the virus but at some point our countermeasures become worse than the disease as the economy / job lossses are going to be devastating. It would be easy to eliminate most of the lung cancer. We would just ban all smoking. Not sure how Trump becomes the root of all this evil. The US death rate for the virus is lower than most of Western Europe which has similar medical access and treatment. If we really want to drive the numbers down the President could have everyone quarantine for another 6 months. I voted for and liked Obama, voted for Hilary (promise for Prison Reform), and think Trump is doing a decent job trying to balance an economic disaster that will effect 330 million people with a couple hundred thousand deaths. Guess the fact that he does't have a magic wand makes him the devil. Mr. Trump has plenty of faults but he has a bias for action and is light years ahead of many presidents that we have endured over the past 50 years.
How Many People Die of Cancer Each Year? In 2020, an estimated 606,520 people will die of cancer in the United States. Lung and bronchus cancer is responsible for the most deaths with 135,720 people expected to die from this disease. Just wanted to throw out those numbers to get some perspective. I don't minimize the number of people that will die from the virus but at some point our countermeasures become worse than the disease as the economy / job lossses are going to be devastating. It would be easy to eliminate most of the lung cancer. We would just ban all smoking. Not sure how Trump becomes the root of all this evil. The US death rate for the virus is lower than most of Western Europe which has similar medical access and treatment. If we really want to drive the numbers down the President could have everyone quarantine for another 6 months. I voted for and liked Obama, voted for Hilary (promise for Prison Reform), and think Trump is doing a decent job trying to balance an economic disaster that will effect 330 million people with a couple hundred thousand deaths. Guess the fact that he does't have a magic wand makes him the devil. Mr. Trump has plenty of faults but he has a bias for action and is light years ahead of many presidents that we have endured over the past 50 years.The worst thing Trump did is promote racism like saying there are fine people on on both side. That is fucked up, there are no fine fine people on other side, one side want to enslave colored people and call them less human and other side just trying to survive in this fucking Trump world. Trump took this country back to 60's where some white mother fuckers (majority whites are decent people) could do anything to colored people and get away.
This Trump administration had no idea how to handle the COVID and tried to down play it. They started monitoring this in March and more than 100,000 died in just March, April, and May?? Do the math. If it would have been unchecked then it would be 300,000 or more in a year with all the shutdown and shit. Without shutdown and masks it could be million or more.
On the side note, I'm so amazed that there are lot of racist pigs on this site chasing pussy and praising an orangutan in the White House.
Sorry if I offended the orangutan species.
TechSticles
06-13-20, 00:13
How Many People Die of Cancer Each Year? In 2020, an estimated 606,520 people will die of cancer in the United States. Lung and bronchus cancer is responsible for the most deaths with 135,720 people expected to die from this disease. Just wanted to throw out those numbers to get some perspective. I don't minimize the number of people that will die from the virus but at some point our countermeasures become worse than the disease as the economy / job lossses are going to be devastating. It would be easy to eliminate most of the lung cancer. We would just ban all smoking. Not sure how Trump becomes the root of all this evil. The US death rate for the virus is lower than most of Western Europe which has similar medical access and treatment. If we really want to drive the numbers down the President could have everyone quarantine for another 6 months. I voted for and liked Obama, voted for Hilary (promise for Prison Reform), and think Trump is doing a decent job trying to balance an economic disaster that will effect 330 million people with a couple hundred thousand deaths. Guess the fact that he does't have a magic wand makes him the devil. Mr. Trump has plenty of faults but he has a bias for action and is light years ahead of many presidents that we have endured over the past 50 years.I'm going to assume you aren't any sort of health professional (or scholar since you don't know what punctuation and paragraphs look like) but you speak with a certainty that's interesting. Then you devolve into who you voted for as if that matters about the corona virus.
You act as if the lives lost to the pandemic were simply inevitable when you make those comparisons. There's plenty of studies (none that you've read) that show that our failure to act early probably contributed and extra 30 K+ deaths.
I thought about spending time refuting your points individually, but it's tiresome. What I'd like you do is go start hugging everyone you know that thinks like you. I see this as an opportunity to Darwin our way out of some stupid fucking shit.
I'm going to assume you aren't any sort of health professional (or scholar since you don't know what punctuation and paragraphs look like) but you speak with a certainty that's interesting. Then you devolve into who you voted for as if that matters about the corona virus.
You act as if the lives lost to the pandemic were simply inevitable when you make those comparisons. There's plenty of studies (none that you've read) that show that our failure to act early probably contributed and extra 30 K+ deaths.
I thought about spending time refuting your points individually, but it's tiresome. What I'd like you do is go start hugging everyone you know that thinks like you. I see this as an opportunity to Darwin our way out of some stupid fucking shit.Your right, I don't use correct paragraph form in the spirit of saving space on this site. Not going to be able to grant your "Darwin" wish as I typically don't hug men and at this point don't do handshakes with either sex. If I am in an environment that requires it or around anyone at risk, I wear a facemask. Congratulations on probably reading more studies than I have. The track record of the author's of several of the mathematical models is not the best but absolutely, more masks and more shelter in place means less deaths. So, everyone upset about the unnecessary and preventable "30 K deaths" should go ahead and do an extra 6 months of shelter in place to "flatten the curve" and prevent even one more death that could be stopped. And for those that do, please don't ask for any more handouts during your hibernation or when you emerge as the risk takers and job holders have carried the shelter in place and unemployed by choice crowd about as far as we can stomach. I don't get personal or emotional about contrarian viewpoints. I wish you nothing but the best. Good luck.
I'm going to assume you aren't any sort of health professional (or scholar since you don't know what punctuation and paragraphs look like) but you speak with a certainty that's interesting. Then you devolve into who you voted for as if that matters about the corona virus.
You act as if the lives lost to the pandemic were simply inevitable when you make those comparisons. There's plenty of studies (none that you've read) that show that our failure to act early probably contributed and extra 30 K+ deaths.
I thought about spending time refuting your points individually, but it's tiresome. What I'd like you do is go start hugging everyone you know that thinks like you. I see this as an opportunity to Darwin our way out of some stupid fucking shit.Exactly how did it "save" lives? I agree that they didn't die then, but what miracle is going to prevent them from dying now? Has a vaccine or viable treatment been discovered? Did staying inside for 3 months confer on them some magical protection? How are the people who would have succumbed to covid in March somehow able to survive it in June, July, or August?
There was one and ONLY one kind of death that shelter in place was supposed to prevent and that was death due to inaccessibility of health care because the health care system was overwhelmed which has never even come close to happening and before you trot out the "unprecedented" cases of doctors practicing in tents in NYC they did exactly the same thing in 2018. There was never going to be two million deaths like Neil "always wrong" Ferguson predicted (same guy who said Sweden would have 75,000 dead by the end of March unless they locked down) ultimatly this was the largest over reaction and demonstration of privilege (just stay home for 3 months, don't be so selfish, you will kill grandma) that I can recall seeing in my life.
Let me put it simply, you, and those who thought like you reacted in fear and insisted on a course of action that has driving a half a billion people back into extreme poverty, and now you want to justify your hysteria with bullshit nonsensical studies. You should be ashamed.
What kind of fallacy are you going to use now? Ad hominum combined with argue from authority worked on the OP. What are you going to use on me? Just make sure you address the. 26% IFR and not 4 or 5 with whichever bullshit you go with.
Also before you assume I'm a Trumpeter, not, life long lefty here.
The worst thing Trump did is promote racism like saying there are fine people on on both side. That is fucked up, there are no fine fine people on other side, one side want to enslave colored people and call them less human and other side just trying to survive in this fucking Trump world. Trump took this country back to 60's where some white mother fuckers (majority whites are decent people) could do anything to colored people and get away.
This Trump administration had no idea how to handle the COVID and tried to down play it. They started monitoring this in March and more than 100,000 died in just March, April, and May?? Do the math. If it would have been unchecked then it would be 300,000 or more in a year with all the shutdown and shit. Without shutdown and masks it could be million or more.
On the side note, I'm so amazed that there are lot of racist pigs on this site chasing pussy and praising an orangutan in the White House.
Sorry if I offended the orangutan species.First, look at yourself very, very closely. Second, get an education. Third, read the first two points. Your biased, racist diatribe shows exactly what and who you are: nothing worth a molecule of oxygen. Let's everyone take a knee on you so the world can breathe better.
That was the G-rated version. You want the real version? PM me your address, punk.
Exactly how did it "save" lives? I agree that they didn't die then, but what miracle is going to prevent them from dying now? Has a vaccine or viable treatment been discovered? Did staying inside for 3 months confer on them some magical protection? How are the people who would have succumbed to covid in March somehow able to survive it in June, July, or August?
There was one and ONLY one kind of death that shelter in place was supposed to prevent and that was death due to inaccessibility of health care because the health care system was overwhelmed which has never even come close to happening and before you trot out the "unprecedented" cases of doctors practicing in tents in NYC they did exactly the same thing in 2018. There was never going to be two million deaths like Neil "always wrong" Ferguson predicted (same guy who said Sweden would have 75,000 dead by the end of March unless they locked down) ultimatly this was the largest over reaction and demonstration of privilege (just stay home for 3 months, don't be so selfish, you will kill grandma) that I can recall seeing in my life.
Let me put it simply, you, and those who thought like you reacted in fear and insisted on a course of action that has driving a half a billion people back into extreme poverty, and now you want to justify your hysteria with bullshit nonsensical studies. You should be ashamed.
What kind of fallacy are you going to use now? Ad hominum combined with argue from authority worked on the OP. What are you going to use on me? Just make sure you address the. 26% IFR and not 4 or 5 with whichever bullshit you go with.
Also before you assume I'm a Trumpeter, not, life long lefty here.Thank you for the clarity and explanation Mr. Admin2. Succinct and to the point using facts and data. I can think of nothing else that needs to be added to this topic that makes it any easier to understand.
TechSticles
06-13-20, 22:51
Exactly how did it "save" lives? I agree that they didn't die then, but what miracle is going to prevent them from dying now? Has a vaccine or viable treatment been discovered? Did staying inside for 3 months confer on them some magical protection? How are the people who would have succumbed to covid in March somehow able to survive it in June, July, or August?
There was one and ONLY one kind of death that shelter in place was supposed to prevent and that was death due to inaccessibility of health care because the health care system was overwhelmed which has never even come close to happening and before you trot out the "unprecedented" cases of doctors practicing in tents in NYC they did exactly the same thing in 2018. There was never going to be two million deaths like Neil "always wrong" Ferguson predicted (same guy who said Sweden would have 75,000 dead by the end of March unless they locked down) ultimatly this was the largest over reaction and demonstration of privilege (just stay home for 3 months, don't be so selfish, you will kill grandma) that I can recall seeing in my life.
Let me put it simply, you, and those who thought like you reacted in fear and insisted on a course of action that has driving a half a billion people back into extreme poverty, and now you want to justify your hysteria with bullshit nonsensical studies. You should be ashamed.
What kind of fallacy are you going to use now? Ad hominum combined with argue from authority worked on the OP. What are you going to use on me? Just make sure you address the. 26% IFR and not 4 or 5 with whichever bullshit you go with.
Also before you assume I'm a Trumpeter, not, life long lefty here.Are you an epidemiologist in your spare time? The trumpster thing isn't relevant to me. You speak with some sort of expertise that I simply don't think you have beyond being an admin on a forum. Seriously. You either suffer from optimism bias or you simply fail to grasp the reality of the situation. Nice of you to bring up an alternate issue regarding lost income and poverty, which has nothing to do with tamping down a pandemic.
Let me put it simply. Your opinion doesn't mean any more that the dipshit that I replied to below. You should be a bit ashamed of using your admin pulpit to jump in and attack people, as if your bullshit comes with any more legitimacy than anyone else.
BTW, how's that classifieds site thing coming?
TechSticles
06-13-20, 22:51
Thank you for the clarity and explanation Mr. Admin2. Succinct and to the point using facts and data. I can think of nothing else that needs to be added to this topic that makes it any easier to understand.Dude. How's Admin2's dick taste? LOL.
First, look at yourself very, very closely. Second, get an education. Third, read the first two points. Your biased, racist diatribe shows exactly what and who you are: nothing worth a molecule of oxygen. Let's everyone take a knee on you so the world can breathe better.
That was the G-rated version. You want the real version? PM me your address, punk.I'm probably have more education than your entire family combine. You think replying with stupid comments on every other post here make you an educated person. Nah.
Read your post here, you are a resist idiot and that is it.
This is so true! Dr. Fauci seems credible but man they just can't say "why'all we don't know what in the heck is going on". Just leave it at that.
=Worf359;4828107]With all the conflicting information from Doctors from every side the only doctors that I trust are Dr. Seuss and Dr Pepper.
I'm probably have more education than your entire family combine. You think replying with stupid comments on every other post here make you an educated person. Nah.
Read your post here, you are a resist idiot and that is it.More education? Nah, you make mistakes an elementary school student wouldn't. Get a library card and use it!
Aaron Hamlet
06-15-20, 09:10
The worst thing Trump did is promote racism like saying there are fine people on on both side. That is fucked up, there are no fine fine people on other side, one side want to enslave colored people and call them less human and other side just trying to survive in this fucking Trump world. Trump took this country back to 60's where some white mother fuckers (majority whites are decent people) could do anything to colored people and get away.
This Trump administration had no idea how to handle the COVID and tried to down play it. They started monitoring this in March and more than 100,000 died in just March, April, and May?? Do the math. If it would have been unchecked then it would be 300,000 or more in a year with all the shutdown and shit. Without shutdown and masks it could be million or more.
On the side note, I'm so amazed that there are lot of racist pigs on this site chasing pussy and praising an orangutan in the White House.
Sorry if I offended the orangutan species.Lot to deconstruct there but don't have time or desire for all. You ever heard of Andrew Young? He didn't want Robert E. Lee's Charlottesville statue torn down. A NPR poll at the time showed a majority of Black Americans, 44/40 didn't want statues torn down. Fine people on both sides of that argument is a valid point. Trump on the driver who plowed thru the protesters, '"You can call this terrorism, you can call it murder, you can call it whatever you want," he said. "The driver of the car is a murderer. A disgrace to himself, his family and this country. What he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing. " That murderer got life plus 419 years. You watch too much TV. Try original thoughts instead of being manipulated, used as a pawn by white progressive neo-liberal globalists.
Aaron Hamlet
06-15-20, 09:51
NYC hired 1,000 contact tracers paid well and by the citizens of NYC. Their purpose is to trace the contacts of China virus new cases. Tracers ask about "close contacts" defined as being within six feet of another person for at least 10 minutes. They're not allowed to ask new infections is they attended a protest. Over one million dollars a week in salaries for an utterly useless pursuit. Pics of NYC protests over weekend. Orangeman bad.
Speaking of useless doctors, any prospects on good head doctors?
With all the conflicting information from Doctors from every side the only doctors that I trust are Dr. Seuss and Dr Pepper.
Member #6047
06-18-20, 00:58
Anybody on here ever had so much "game" that they got it for free? Like paid for a hotel room and used their "game" to get her to come over and bang for free? Now, that is what I would call the "ultimate game".
I would think this is common sense I mean we are women and want to be treated kindly, IMO.I haven't been doing this for very long, about 7 months. I've seen about 10, maybe 12 providers total. Roughly half have been total deadbeats and I've just walked away from the service or did a one and done. The others I've established a rapport with and I've had 3 of them offer free sessions. Not every time, but sometimes. I have zero game. I'm not handsome, or hung or anything of the sort. In fact, I'm disgusting looking by any standard. However, I am respectful and make sure to treat the providers kindly. In talking to these providers, I've found that most rarely get treated respectfully and very much appreciate it.
Now, I do insist on donating even when free is offered because I prefer it to have a transactional element, otherwise it's wholly personal. I'm not comfortable with that, so I've hidden donations in dressers, on chairs, etc. Obviously, they take it most of the time, but I've had a couple "take this back, I don't want it" situations and I've had to insist.
Joesouncool
06-18-20, 08:44
It's all about that "Mac" game. If we don't have "game", unlike most of you guys on here, we can look forward to paying the max amount to get laid. If we are blessed enough to have "game", then we can sweet talk her down to a low low number. Anybody on here ever had so much "game" that they got it for free? Like paid for a hotel room and used their "game" to get her to come over and bang for free? Now, that is what I would call the "ultimate game".I can only comment about the strip club world. In that world, there are plenty of girls that will fuck for free. You can't be a dick. You must be a little forceful, but not a dick. You can get it for free. It is not that hard. I've had enough of strippers, waitresses, and bartender chicks to know it doesn't take that much game in that world. One thing you have to realize is that not every chick in a s trip club is interested in sex with you, so don't try too hard on any one girl.
I'm nothing to look at, so I know it's not my face or my muscles getting any of this done.
I really miss the days of craigslist and backpage. Listcrawler is purely trash right now. Smh.
nyc hired 1,000 contact tracers paid well and by the citizens of nyc. Their purpose is to trace the contacts of china virus new cases. Tracers ask about "close contacts" defined as being within six feet of another person for at least 10 minutes. They're not allowed to ask new infections is they attended a protest. Over one million dollars a week in salaries for an utterly useless pursuit. Pics of nyc protests over weekend. Orangeman bad.who hired Bolton? Orangeman not bad just a crook and a idiot!
GingerLookin27
06-22-20, 21:36
I really miss the days of craigslist and backpage. Listcrawler is purely trash right now. Smh.That and other things.
Been on plenty of dating apps and it seems that on "good" day, I see profiles that are clearly working girls.
Not that I mind the eye candy. What I do mind is them "crowding" these places, and drawing undue attention.
On apps, that oh, BTW, USA Govt. And LE can request internet records from all devices without a warrant.
I get the feeling that VPNs can only go so far and burners may be next to, well, burn.
Also, Is "hook-up" a new codeword now? Seriously. Why can't people get-over their hangups on sex-workers so we can cut this bulls*.
Thanks,
Ranting Ginger.
The USA Today is getting closer to the worst-case scenario envisioned in the spring — a nationwide crisis, made worse by inept political leadership that threatens to overwhelm hospitals and spread out of control. Who knew?
These two attached graphs encapsulate the USA 's inept response to COVID-19.
The USA Today is getting closer to the worst-case scenario envisioned in the spring a nationwide crisis, made worse by inept political leadership that threatens to overwhelm hospitals and spread out of control. Who knew?
These two attached graphs encapsulate the USA 's inept response to COVID-19.I'm going to have to respond with "Hahahahaha! Ok Boomer".
So your graphs are pretty cool, and anyone that believes what they hear on tv will have their beliefs echo-chambered by your red and black lines. However, in real life, do you know anybody that has been hospitalized by COVID with no other health problems? I haven't. Nor do I know anybody who knows anybody in real life that has.
Secondly, my wife works in the medical industry, currently our local hospital is at 30% capacity. This time last year they were at 60% capacity.
Now that being said if there was a deadly pandemic that is destroying our nation's population wouldn't you think that our local healthcare system would be at or near maximum capacity. Wouldn't you think that we would all know some unfortunate young healthy soul robbed of life by this disease?
It is my opinion that the dangers of COVID are grossly exaggerated and the economic and lifestyle impact caused by the government restrictions are greater than the risk to any of our health.
HobbyMan51
06-25-20, 15:06
I'm going to have to respond with "Hahahahaha! Ok Boomer".
So your graphs are pretty cool, and anyone that believes what they hear on tv will have their beliefs echo-chambered by your red and black lines. However, in real life, do you know anybody that has been hospitalized by COVID with no other health problems? I haven't. Nor do I know anybody who knows anybody in real life that has.
Secondly, my wife works in the medical industry, currently our local hospital is at 30% capacity. This time last year they were at 60% capacity.
Now that being said if there was a deadly pandemic that is destroying our nation's population wouldn't you think that our local healthcare system would be at or near maximum capacity. Wouldn't you think that we would all know some unfortunate young healthy soul robbed of life by this disease?
It is my opinion that the dangers of COVID are grossly exaggerated and the economic and lifestyle impact caused by the government restrictions are greater than the risk to any of our health.I second that opinion, BB. Unfortunately common sense has been bludgeoned to death by fear and insanity.
Johnny Mapalo
06-25-20, 15:13
I'm going to have to respond with "Hahahahaha! Ok Boomer".
So your graphs are pretty cool, and anyone that believes what they hear on tv will have their beliefs echo-chambered by your red and black lines. However, in real life, do you know anybody that has been hospitalized by COVID with no other health problems? I haven't. Nor do I know anybody who knows anybody in real life that has.
Secondly, my wife works in the medical industry, currently our local hospital is at 30% capacity. This time last year they were at 60% capacity.
Now that being said if there was a deadly pandemic that is destroying our nation's population wouldn't you think that our local healthcare system would be at or near maximum capacity. Wouldn't you think that we would all know some unfortunate young healthy soul robbed of life by this disease?
It is my opinion that the dangers of COVID are grossly exaggerated and the economic and lifestyle impact caused by the government restrictions are greater than the risk to any of our health.It's exaggerated government man-made fuckry like I've been saying. Scaring a bunch of retards from coming outside and enjoying their everyday life. Smdh.
Airmantroy
06-25-20, 15:19
I'm going to have to respond with "Hahahahaha! Ok Boomer".
So your graphs are pretty cool, and anyone that believes what they hear on tv will have their beliefs echo-chambered by your red and black lines. However, in real life, do you know anybody that has been hospitalized by COVID with no other health problems? I haven't. Nor do I know anybody who knows anybody in real life that has.
Secondly, my wife works in the medical industry, currently our local hospital is at 30% capacity. This time last year they were at 60% capacity.
Now that being said if there was a deadly pandemic that is destroying our nation's population wouldn't you think that our local healthcare system would be at or near maximum capacity. Wouldn't you think that we would all know some unfortunate young healthy soul robbed of life by this disease?
It is my opinion that the dangers of COVID are grossly exaggerated and the economic and lifestyle impact caused by the government restrictions are greater than the risk to any of our health.Say it louder for the folks that have hearing aids. NEVER trust the government on statistics, they tell you what they want you to believe.
TechSticles
06-25-20, 19:10
NYC hired 1,000 contact tracers paid well and by the citizens of NYC. Their purpose is to trace the contacts of China virus new cases. Tracers ask about "close contacts" defined as being within six feet of another person for at least 10 minutes. They're not allowed to ask new infections is they attended a protest. Over one million dollars a week in salaries for an utterly useless pursuit. Pics of NYC protests over weekend. Orangeman bad.
I'm going to have to respond with "Hahahahaha! Ok Boomer".
So your graphs are pretty cool, and anyone that believes what they hear on tv will have their beliefs echo-chambered by your red and black lines. However, in real life, do you know anybody that has been hospitalized by COVID with no other health problems? I haven't. Nor do I know anybody who knows anybody in real life that has.
Secondly, my wife works in the medical industry, currently our local hospital is at 30% capacity. This time last year they were at 60% capacity.
Now that being said if there was a deadly pandemic that is destroying our nation's population wouldn't you think that our local healthcare system would be at or near maximum capacity. Wouldn't you think that we would all know some unfortunate young healthy soul robbed of life by this disease?
It is my opinion that the dangers of COVID are grossly exaggerated and the economic and lifestyle impact caused by the government restrictions are greater than the risk to any of our health.
I second that opinion, BB. Unfortunately common sense has been bludgeoned to death by fear and insanity.
It's exaggerated government man-made fuckry like I've been saying. Scaring a bunch of retards from coming outside and enjoying their everyday life. Smdh.
Say it louder for the folks that have hearing aids. NEVER trust the government on statistics, they tell you what they want you to believe.Sooooo, if you uber-smart dipshits don't trust the news, don't trust the papers, don't trust the doctors and don't trust the government, just WHO is this amazing fucking genius you put all your faith in?
You're all so intellectual and know so much more than the rest of us. Can't wait for you all to change Twitter feeds to Parler.
smdh. lol
The educated doctors no nothing I get my medical advice from a guy on the internet. And those 2 CV-19 death funerals I went to had to be staged by Hollywood Liberals. And by the way the earth is flat and Trump is not an idiot that is getting a lot of people killed. When you get done drinking that KOOl-aid or is it foolaid I have a bridge to sell you.
The USA Today is getting closer to the worst-case scenario envisioned in the spring a nationwide crisis, made worse by inept political leadership that threatens to overwhelm hospitals and spread out of control. Who knew?
These two attached graphs encapsulate the USA 's inept response to COVID-19.In other words, this administration turned a somewhat manageable pandemic situation into a real "CLUSTERFUCK".
The USA Today is getting closer to the worst-case scenario envisioned in the spring a nationwide crisis, made worse by inept political leadership that threatens to overwhelm hospitals and spread out of control. Who knew?
These two attached graphs encapsulate the USA 's inept response to COVID-19.Seems lately a lot of the problem is the millennials who don't seem to have an ounce of self-discipline to maintain social distancing. Twenty-three Clemson players have Covid-19. Hmm. Wonder if and when we'll have a college and pro football season this year.
The educated doctors no nothing I get my medical advice from a guy on the internet. And those 2 CV-19 death funerals I went to had to be staged by Hollywood Liberals. And by the way the earth is flat and Trump is not an idiot that is getting a lot of people killed. When you get done drinking that KOOl-aid or is it foolaid I have a bridge to sell you.So, I'll have a PhD in about another year from Ga Tech. Will I be more creditable then?
Now I don't usually engage in trolling, but this pandemic BS seems like the emperor's new clothes. You have been to 2 COVID funerals? You are the first person that I have heard of attending one. I am sorry for your loss.
I am not saying that COVID doesn't exist. Of course it does, what I am saying is that it's threat is greatly exaggerated. Exponentially More young healthy people die in car wrecks than because of COVID. We aren't staying home and not driving because the impact to our daily life is greater than the risk of death by auto accident. Same with COVID. It isn't the government's responsibility to protect us from each other's cooties.
HobbyMan51
06-25-20, 22:49
Sooooo, if you uber-smart dipshits don't trust the news, don't trust the papers, don't trust the doctors and don't trust the government, just WHO is this amazing fucking genius you put all your faith in?
You're all so intellectual and know so much more than the rest of us. Can't wait for you all to change Twitter feeds to Parler.
smdh. lolOurselves, dumbass. Please hide in your basement and never come out again. We can handle things quite nicely without you.
So, I'll have a PhD in about another year from Ga Tech. Will I be more creditable then?
Now I don't usually engage in trolling, but this pandemic BS seems like the emperor's new clothes. You have been to 2 COVID funerals? You are the first person that I have heard of attending one. I am sorry for your loss.
I am not saying that COVID doesn't exist. Of course it does, what I am saying is that it's threat is greatly exaggerated. Exponentially More young healthy people die in car wrecks than because of COVID. We aren't staying home and not driving because the impact to our daily life is greater than the risk of death by auto accident. Same with COVID. It isn't the government's responsibility to protect us from each other's cootiesUSA Deaths from the coronavirus are up to 126,780, meaning that a country with about 4. 5% of the world's population has close to 26% of its COVID-19 deaths. Bottom line, to fix the economy we have to get a control of the virus.
Joesouncool
06-26-20, 16:26
USA Deaths from the coronavirus are up to 126,780, meaning that a country with about 4. 5% of the world's population has close to 26% of its COVID-19 deaths. Bottom line, to fix the economy we have to get a control of the virus.Jeez, does every forum thread on here have to devolve a debate as to whether covid is real, and dangerous, or not?
Jeez, does every forum thread on here have to devolve a debate as to whether covid is real, and dangerous, or not?Only in America can you go to a forum on SEX and still have to listen to it. Smh.
Jeez, does every forum thread on here have to devolve a debate as to whether covid is real, and dangerous, or not?Fortunately or unfortunately opinions about the COVID pandemic are just like a $$holes, everyone has one.
So, I'll have a PhD in about another year from Ga Tech. Will I be more creditable then?
Now I don't usually engage in trolling, but this pandemic BS seems like the emperor's new clothes. You have been to 2 COVID funerals? You are the first person that I have heard of attending one. I am sorry for your loss.
I am not saying that COVID doesn't exist. Of course it does, what I am saying is that it's threat is greatly exaggerated. Exponentially More young healthy people die in car wrecks than because of COVID. We aren't staying home and not driving because the impact to our daily life is greater than the risk of death by auto accident. Same with COVID. It isn't the government's responsibility to protect us from each other's cootiesYo, there are other grad stuents here. Looks like the stipends are being put to good use.
TechSticles
06-26-20, 21:31
Ourselves, dumbass. Please hide in your basement and never come out again. We can handle things quite nicely without you.So get out there hugging, kissing and going to trump rallies. Happy to wait until you're all gasping away. Then I'll come out and we can handle things quite nicely. Without you. Dumbass.
Sgt Lurker
06-26-20, 22:46
So get out there hugging, kissing and going to trump rallies. Happy to wait until you're all gasping away. Then I'll come out and we can handle things quite nicely. Without you. Dumbass.I wonder if we removed the unnecessary deaths from Cuomo and his ilk forcing Nursing Homes and Rehab facilities from taking COVID patients, what would the total tally be right now?
TechSticles
06-26-20, 23:36
I wonder if we removed the unnecessary deaths from Cuomo and his ilk forcing Nursing Homes and Rehab facilities from taking COVID patients, what would the total tally be right now?I'm interested in why that's a data point for you.
Have you hugged your anti-mask, covid-is-a-hoax friend today? If not, please do.
Sgt Lurker
06-27-20, 09:29
I'm interested in why that's a data point for you.
Have you hugged your anti-mask, covid-is-a-hoax friend today? If not, please do.Because it was their actions that cause so many unnecessary deaths, spread like wildfire through those places. Gov. DeSantis ordered them not to take the Covid patients and their death rate in those types of places was considerable less. Facts are Facts.
HobbyMan51
06-27-20, 11:50
So get out there hugging, kissing and going to trump rallies. Happy to wait until you're all gasping away. Then I'll come out and we can handle things quite nicely. Without you. Dumbass.You are a genuinely nasty sonofabitch. Keep waiting, putz. You will be waiting for a very long time. We'll see who is gasping on Nov. 3.
TechSticles
06-27-20, 23:20
You are a genuinely nasty sonofabitch. Keep waiting, putz. You will be waiting for a very long time. We'll see who is gasping on Nov. 3.And you are a genuinely real-world dipshit. You are a fucking poster child for everything that represents the "alternative facts" universe. Believing, with no expertise whatsoever, that you are smarter than people that spent their lives studying problems. Fortunately, you only represent about 30% of the US population, and it's becoming clear every day that folks are sick of the stupid shit you spout.
We'll see, alright.
BTW, go fuck yourself.
World Population 7,787,924,177. Covid19 deaths 275,238. (0. 004% This is what we shut the world down for?
The DJ said this is the day that they are opening. I'm not sure if many girls will be there though. I follow quite a few of them, the vibe isn't right.Glad to see Follies opening back up. I've been missing that cute Cuban ass in the VIP rooms.
Just hope we don't get the Trump Virus during our play time.
Glad to see Follies opening back up. I've been missing that cute Cuban ass in the VIP rooms.
Just hope we don't get the Trump Virus during our play time.The Trump Virus. (eye roll) Just can't be non-political.
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